Oh hi spike, ummm, why have you been given a title called "spike the brave and glorious"?
Is it because the crystal Ponies in the crystal empire call you that because you manage to get the crystal heart to the fair to defeat the king of darkness named "K!Ng $oMbr@"?
@SMG Productions I strictly use they/them, but I'm super deep in the closet so honestly it's been really healing and affirming hearing Sawtooth use their own pronouns to refer to themself
S - Sharp Mind
A - Awesome
W - Watches MLP Carefully
T- Terrific
O - Observant
O - Outstanding
T - Totally Mind Blowing
H - Hilarious
W - Wonderful
A - Amazing
V - Vibrant
E - Enthusiastic
S - Super Ultra Extreme awesomeazing
I WROTE THIS MONTHS AGO PLEASE SEE THIS SAWTOOTH 😥
I don't think she did. Daybreaker was only mentioned twice in the series and the only time Luna saw her, she never once called that alternative Celestia. She only knew Daybreaker as a nightmare Starlight was having and had Celestia stop her with Luna's powers. I think Daybreaker was just a random paranoia when Starlight heard about the truth behind Nightmare Moon
Personally, I think that Daybreaker is an artifact existing within the dream realm, possibly originating with Celestia herself, that gave form to Starlight's fears.
@Demon Princess Well, we know that dreams in Equestrisa can be shared. We know also that with guidance one can move from one dream to another. Thus we see that in some form the dream realm is a reality unto itself. It is also fairly likely that Celestia has hidden worries about what if she went dark. Thus Luna may have faced Daybreaker before, in Celestia's dreams. Which would also serve to somewhat explain why Celestia was so intimidated by another's fear: it was also her own.
@Travis Smith Celestia was a timid mess trying to do Luna's job. And if Celestia had dreamt of Daybreaker before, wouldn't there be a sense of familiarity?
@Travis Smith No definitive victory? Celestia stopped Starlight's nightmare. Considering Daybreaker never existed in the real world, that was a definite victory of good over evil. And think about it this way, you see an evil version of yourself set out to destroy a family member and you have to face them alone. Wouldn't you be shocked and horrified
@Demon Princess I'm talking previous to that encounter. She had no problem facing down the dream Nightmare Moon, Celestia has shown many times she has no problem facing monsters (defeating them....... well the central characters have to save the day for plot reasons). But the one dream she should be able to handle without issue she froze and knew she could not handle it. While not requiring past interaction it would sure suggest such. Luna knew the name right off the bat even though she did not at that time have her dream powers. Indeed as I recall the name was not mentioned until Luna said it (after Celestia went for help). This also suggests a prior encounter. Now, one of the things a just ruler must always be wary of is giving in to temptations to abuse power. Seeing someone you are close to fail such a test (as with Luna's decent into Nightmare Moon for Celestia) can highlight this. Thus we have reason for Celestia to have dreamed of Daybreaker at some point.
We know that as soon as Celestia pulled Luna into Starlight's dream Luna knew the name of the manifestation without being told despite the lack of dream powers at the time. We know that elements of dreams and even entire dreams can be shared between individuals suggesting some manner of shared plain of existence. We know that while woefully equipped for dealing with dream troubles Celestia tried hard. We know Celestia does not back down from foes normally. We know Celestia had no issue facing down the dark shadow of her sister in the dream despite also knowing the turmoil such a real confrontation caused and continued to have effects long after. We know that seeing her own dark shadow made Celestia not only back down but run. We do not know, however, why Celestia ran nor how Luna knew the name. But if we fit what we do know together to fill in that which we do not it seems reasonable, to me anyway, that that which took form from based on Starlight's fear of turning Celestia dark had formed previously and so had an identity not confined solely to Starlight's mind.
@Travis Smith The name thing, that's something else. But, for all we know, Celestia told her off screen while the show was focused on Starlight's regret. As for Celestia's shock, none of the monsters she faced, nor Nightmare Moon, showed her to be a vicious monster. Daybreaker even said the possibility that if Luna could become an evil pony, so could she. She was facing a horrific revelation alone. I think Celestia's fear fell more under the memory of regret that Celestia couldn't reconcile with Luna when Nightmare Moon originally happened. That coupled with a revealing fact that if one princess could become evil, so could she would be a truly horrific thought. She wouldn't have needed to see Daybreaker before for that to be scary enough to petrify her.
But, also ask yourself this: Royale Problem was the first time Starlight ever met the princesses in person (or in pony, however the expressions go) so how would Starlight dream of something Celestia had already dreamed of? She never would have heard the name Daybreaker before or seen what an evil Celestia would look like. But, she had seen Celestia get angry by then and that would be enough to know that Celestia was just as susceptible to darkness and anger as Luna was. Especially after Twilight's panic of Nightmare Moon during her worries brought Starlight so much paranoia before leaving for Canterlot. And, after taking such drastic measures, of course that would only make Starlight's paranoia worse. But, why would her paranoia take shape to the exact same dream you're assuming Celestia had? Starlight's subconscious had motive for making Daybreaker. Did Celestia's?
Also do you agree with me that Cadence shouldn't be both the princess of motherly love and the princess of romantic love? I feel like Shining Armor should be the one for romantic love because none of the other princesses have TWO jobs! Honestly, this is the explanation Sawtooth Waves needed a year ago.
I think when Luna torned to NightmearMoon, she match the thing or someone how do this with her and think they can do the same thing with Celestia...or she just see it on a Celestia dream, she can fuckyng see what pony's think whrn they are sleeping
@Amanda Lochmann technically you’re right because gender is a social construct. But since you’re right then that means male isn’t a thing either. Nor is female. Gender was made up by humans, and people (or changelings) can identify as anything other than the 2 if that’s how they feel inside. You cannot change how someone else identifies. You can only change how you identify.
@Amanda Lochmann you remind me of some homophobic people from my old school
I murdered them by pushing them out an office window on the 30th floor so while they fell they could enjoy the searing pain of the glass shards imbedded in their body.
@firefly64 stop being so rude if their homophic leave them that's their choice no need to give them death threats we shoudnt judge we should just be like that's your opinion that's what I do
@Sawtooth Waves they a theory In quantum psychis with time travel into past One isthe Universe is deystoyrd or the universe fixes the paradox so it cause the same outcome as see past twlight didn't know the reason for the Time travel therefore she had everything reason to go find out how to prevent it and her going back in time set the loop in motion basillcly it's a self contained time loop
Future Twilight is one of my favorite versions of Unicorn Twilight, in fact Past Twilight was right when she says that Future Twilight looks like she's from a post apocalyptic timeline.XD
The first time we saw Sunset Shimmer when she was stealing Twilight's crown, her horn magic was blue colour but other times when we see her in pony form again, her magic is red colour. An example is the spring breakdown episode and when Sunset met Starlight in the episode mirror magic. Why is her magic a different colour?
Sunset's magic was turquoise blue green like Starlights. So when the writeres and animators made the Starlight character, they had to change Sunset's magic. Also her color and magic in EG was more red than turquoise.
Just like that most people believe Izzy represents Pinkie and Pipp Rarity. But Izzy told Sunny that Sunny's inner light was purple (Like Twilight) and later Izzy told Pipp that Pipp's color was turquoise (Like Pinkie's element.) And sometimes Pipp makes us happy with songs while Izzy is creative like Rarity.
ALso, Apple Bloom is mostly the main leader with ideas, Sweetie Belle the one who likes theater and singing and Scootaloo the fast and cool one. But we have seen that Apple Bloom wants the fast wagon, Sweetie Belle the traditional one and Scootaloo the Creative one. Later we see Sweetie Belle making the plans in growing up is hard. Also, we've seen Scootaloo be afraid and not so cool, and also seen her be the one who caries for her friends (Like TWilight, when she was about to move)
Not always judge ponies to be what they seem to be most time. They can have different sides. That's why it's hard to category other characters to Elements of Harmony.
I was thinking Ocellus was Fluttershy, Gallus was Rainbow Dash and Sandbar was Twilight. But Ocellus was Rarity, Sandbar was Fluttershy and Gallus was Twilight.
Starswirl = The one who created over 200 spells Twilight Sparkle = The one who likes to read, study and use magic but also the one that begin to teach about friendship Gallus = The one who isn't so bookish (If not at all) byt found out the magic of friendship even without studying magic. Sunny Starscout = The one who studies friendship, but isn't so bookish otherwise Zipp = The one who acts like detective, but found out something was wrong with the crystals.
Basically MLP is telling that time is infinitely repeatable, if a person/pony goes to the past, the person/pony needs to make sure to not change the past, if the person/pony does that it will be repeated and if not, it will still get repeated. That’s why we saw the same scene two times, because the start or the end can’t be defined, that’s my theory
Not exactly... -> It is imposible to go back to your OWN past (you always "land" on the past of a slightly different universe, but never the SAME).
This happens because time travel is necesary a "higher dimensional" path that has to be traversed & there is an infinite number of universes (the same way there are infinite "squares" inside a "cube"). It is imposible to move "PERFECTLY" on any direction (there will always be a slightly sideways motion caused by tiny imperfections, mistakes or simple limits to concentration/guidance); so moving through time also displaces the time-traveler to ANOTHER "plane" different from the one they started.
-> They can never return to their "original" timeline because: a) They do not know "which" one it is (universes do not have a "serial number"). b) They do not have "infinite precision & infinite accuraccy" on their movement. c) They would be unaware if they "finally found it" or if they "landed" on another one that has 1 single atom of difference.
Then, the "loop" is simply "advancing" randomly through a series of universes (not even a "full path" taking all infinite ones, but rather skipping most of them). -> Random fluctuations & small accumulating changes will eventually make "a" Twilight to fail to convince the next one to time travel (or something else will prevent it, like Pinkie Pie accidentally losing/burning the scroll).
@Pomello well that’s a good question, if you remember starlight said that if she stopped the rain boom you wouldn’t be able to get your cutie marks, which means when she stopped it it changed the future but they went there again, stopped by twilight, the past is again changed but this time it went to the original state.
About the not seeing twilight and starlight in the episode it’s because twilight did her bast to not change the past and I mean 100%, if they were seen rainbow would say that she has seen twilight somewhere when they met the first time
Not to mention wouldn’t the producer make rainbow recognise her in the first place because they would have written short story’s for upcoming seasons/episodes to make it have sense and even if later they would have done accordingly p.s. the 100% thing would have happened as ‘behind the scenes’.
In "It's about Time", Twilight is in a loop where she always get the information about the archives from her future self. The loop just naturally...happens, similar to time flowing forward when nopony is time traveling.
But when Starlight time travels, she changes the past to be something that didn't originally happen, changing the future.
A sudden flood due to the dam breaking could cost millions of bits in damages and a good number of deaths. If Applejack, a earth pony, drowned, Twilight Sparkle wouldn't have accepted it. Even if Celestia forbade her, Twilight would move heaven and earth for her friends.
I don't know. I don't really think this loop needs a beginning. I personally think that Twilight was destined to go through all that, regardless of whether or not there really was a disaster coming. Sure, it might feel weird for the answer to come out of nowhere, but if you get it from your future self and then pass it on to your past self, that's plenty solid enough for me.
True. Given all that Twilight was freaking out about prior to the visit of her past self (which clearly didn't matter all that much, as she was able to immediately drop all of it, and it was never so much as mentioned again for the duration of the episode), it's possible she initially went back just to tell herself not to stress too much, which isn't far off from the final loop, only to cause her past self to freak out even more, thus causing the events that we see.
My theory- twilight maybe didn't wanna look hideous, so she did a lot of crazy things trying to prevent it, But it backfired on her. So she had to go back in time and tell her past self. And her past self thought something happened. And it looped.
I think if something TRULY bad happened Twilight would of told her past self to be quiet or bribe her with a BoOk but it was like "Hey dont get tooo freaky" that Twilight took as "Awww! Time to Freak out!"
This is why I like your videos. The over analysis to a show about magical ponies is actually very fascinating. You're the first person who actually took confusion to the origins of the time loop in this episode
Fr tho but a lot of people grew out of the show and tbh I half have as well but I’ll always love it and the Gen-5 thing literally made my heart sink. Have you watched it, and if you have what do you think about it???
I actually saw a time paradox in Milo Murphy’s law. It was hilarious. Some throws a peach at Cavendish and Dakota picks it up. When they go back in time they realise they have to warn themself so Dakota gives Cavendish the peach and he throws it at them. Then this happens Cavendish: Wait where did you get that peach? Dakota: Someone threw it at you earlier Cavendish: But that someone was me! Dakota: yeah so? Cavendish: But where did I get it? Dakota: Someone threw it at you earlier Cavendish: But that someone was me Dakota: Yeah so? Cavendish: But where did I get it Dakota: Someone threw it at you earlier Cavendish: BUT THAT SOME Then it cuts to Diogee, Sara, Zack and Melissa
Could also count for an ontological paradox, the information that you get comes from the future but the future information was derived from something in the past taken from future knowledge. The scenario reminds me of part of "Predestination" John tells the Time Agent that he wants to go back in time and kill the person who ruined his life and him pregnant before he found out he was intersex, the Time Agent later tells John that he was the one who ruined his own life and creates the loop
@AppleToaster they/them isn't the most common pronoun for people to use on themself, so it can feel really nice for people like that to find other people like that :)
@Bee Miller it's just that I didn't even take note of it when they said that. Felt very natural, it was on the sentence perfectly. Glad it makes people feel represented though, to me this means I must not refer to them as "he" anymore, only they/them.
@Demonyck’s Creations Being indifferent to the way people refer to themselves shouldn't make me polite/respectful, it should be the norm. Cheering the fact that they referred to themselves agenderly implies it's still a difficult thing to do today, and that saddens me. Just as it saddens me that "coming out" is still a thing. You shouldn't have to be "stuck" in the first place.
If my child ever has to "come out" to me someday, afraid of my reaction, then I've failed.
@AppleToaster it is unfortunately very hard for people like me to even refer to ourselves and have people respect the pronouns I use. I just wanted to let you know that those with the mindset that you have actively make the world a better place for myself and others ^v^
I used to watch every upload you did, until I fell out of the fandom. I’ve recently found your channel again after a nostalgia binge, and it warms my heart to see the channel being how I remembered it. I also noticed the background of your profile pic being the non-binary flag. As a fellow non-binary, it makes me really happy to see people like me :)
That is an interesting thought in regards to how the time loop had started. One particular time loop I remember would be one in Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time where the guy in the windmill teaches Link the Song of Storms in the future so that Link could then teach him that song in the past so that he could teach Link in the future so that future Link could-(Cuts to a colored beeping screen)
I am wondering how that could have worked? Maybe in the first timeline, the Windmill guy realizes that Hyrule is doomed because the hero doesn't have the Lens of Truth, but then finds out that Link is time traveling and teaches him the song to teach to his past self?
Great video as always Sawtooth! I was wondering if you could make a video about the mirror portal? Like, is it natural like the one on the island? Or did someone (or somepony) make it?
I always thought that twilight overheard a royal guard talk about the time travel spell to another guard or twilight read about in the canterlot castle she did read all of the books in the canterlot library
Ah ha! I knew I wasn't the only who thought there was some sort of origin to the Twilight Time Loop! Thanks for this Sawtooth, you're awesome and brilliant at the same time!
I think you just gave a perfectly valid explanation that solves an entire paradox, at least on paper. But, hey, who knows, maybe future studies on the subject will make the "Sawtooth's Paradox Solver" 100% canon, both in the show and IRL
So when the first Twilight who had actually seen a real disaster returned to her time, what was her world look like? I think basically it still comes back to time travel making new alternative universes.
There's a lot wrong with my timeline so far, so I'm going through the same thing, and it might just be the first time it happens. Thanks for the tips Sawtooth.
@Sawtooth Waves But the main question is what would that disaster be and how would it cause and affect the rest of Twilight's story. Would this disaster prevent Twilight from becoming an alicorn???????????? Because if Celestia stopped her studies because of this disaster, this could have caused her not to become an alicorn causing another train of crazy events
Yeah, I actually ended up coming to a similar conclusion about other instances of stable time loops...mostly in my own unpublished story ideas...
Point is, even if the official writers of published works never get around to making their own side stories involving the potential retconed past that set up the stable time loop; that concept would make for excellent fan fic fodder. ^_^
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I liked it . I did have my suspicion about a Tim loop like this but your results for how it all began is very good . Nice job 👍👌
Hey, that's a pretty clever way to look at it! I think that makes a lot of sense, since the loop would be infinite, and a few initial iterations in comparison would be too small to even consider normally.
I've honestly also had a similar idea about bootstrap paradoxes having a start in a different timeline before, albeit for a different series, that being Harry Potter, in Prisoner of Azkaban specifically. Harry and Hermione indirectly alert or save their past selves from danger, twice. I'm sure that there was an original timeline where both Harry and Sirius got their souls sucked (or just Sirius, I can't 100% remember if Hermione throwing a rock against past!Harry's head also happened in the books) and either Hermione or another character used the Time Turner to go back and try to save them, and through trial and error figured out that they needed to rescue Buckbeak and get Harry to the dementors so he could cast a patronus. Harry even said 'because I'd already done it before' when Hermione asks how he cast the full patronus, even though it was actually his future self that did that.
I'm so glad Sawtooth watches Doctor Who too. Honestly- that whole paradox discussed in those episodes was the perfect segway. As the Doctor says "Timey... Whimey... stuff..." is weird and confusing
As always Sawtooth did wonderfully and can't wait for their next video
@Ammonite The Sea Serpent oh i didn't know that before. I hope i didn't offend anyone. I'll be careful with my gender pronouns next time :) Edit: I just realised why Sawtooth goes by they/them pronouns. I didn't look closely before but i saw a non-binary flag in the background of their pfp.
Considering how time travel can come off as very confusing in whatever media uses it and not even the brainy characters can understand it fully, I think it could have all boiled down to bad writing in an effort by the writers to make Twilight become paranoid and thus begin the standard for the rest of the show...for no apparent reason other than to see her suffer. Though in Twilight's defense if I saw MY future self come back in time to warn past me about a disaster I'd make an effort to listen as well so I could prevent this from occurring.
My favorite Dr. Who Version of the Bootstrap Paradox is actually this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4SEDzynMiQ&ab_channel=DoctorWho The question for the above version though, truly is where who wrote Beethoven's Music? How would this version work for original timelines, resulting in the loop.
This actually makes a lot of sense! Though, it does make me wonder... The spell lets you travel through time for only a brief while before pulling you back to the present. The perfect loop that stabilized is all well and good, but... what happened to the original time traveling Twilight that experienced the disaster? Was she pulled back to the original time line? Or, because she did change time by making her past self begin worrying when she did not, did she cease to exist?
A solution to the Bootstrap Paradox? Holy crap! Great job, Sawtooth. Thank you for not only the entertaining video but also the clear-as-crystal explanation. The Dr. Who parallel really helped. It's been a while since I've added anything to my Favorites list.
@Raptor Zeraora in their about section it says their non-binary :) and ghostly inhale wasn't assuming if they knew what the non-binary flag looked like, they were just pointing it out :)
Omg I remember hating this episode because of the paradox. Thank you for somehow fixing it a little bit. Still think it's a paradox because of the clothes proving that the only source was twilights irrational behaviour, which shows it's a paradox.
Twilight having the knowledge of the time travel spell via herself using the time travel spell which she got the knowledge of from herself using the time travel spell which she got the knowledge of from herself...
Sawtooth is probably my favorite mlp channel. He just puts so much effort into each video and actually has interesting theories to think about. I wish everyone could love mlp the way I do!
Lets all take a moment to appreciate that he posts videos for us and he works hard making to put these videos everyday for us and he makes our day/night even better
I always assumed that there was some sort of disaster, though until this video, I never got why Twilight would use the spell just to tell her past self not to worry -- that is at least taken care of now. Exactly why she thought it would go differently than when her future self tried to do it is still a mystery.
OK this was an amazing video!! (especially because of doctor who being featured, it also helped me actually understand paradoxes a bit better) but I guess time really isn't a cause to effect and is in fact a big ball of wibbly wobbly timey wimey stuff (sorry couldn't help myself)
I'm so happy someone made a video of (roughly) what I've always believed about this episode! I always thought that Twilight, during the brief time travel, sounded far too desperate and urgent for what she ended up trying to warn herself about - because (and that's where my interpretation differs) that version of herself is from the genuine disaster timeline!
To explain: In her timeline, all of the "signs" have different, much less harmless reasons to come into being, but because she travelled back in time, the new timeline has Twilight disasterproofing Equestria and thus averting the disaster. However, time can not move forward properly until Twilight completes the time loop - so in this timeline, events contrive to give Twilight the same appearance she had when going back the first time, for when she inevitably time travels - and repeats the flashback verbatim, without even realizing that it only almost fits. Time fits smoothly and can move forward again.
It's a bit of a different scenario from the Doctor Who scenario, but I think you bringing it up still perfectly illustrated a very similar principle which helped clear up my own thoughts on the matter!
I am further led to this conclusion by all of the other time travel in MLP also either being non-interfering or requiring stable loops, with one notable exception: Starlight's modified Starswirl spell, using the Cutie Map - and that part is important. I believe that only with the Cutie Map serving as an anchor across timelines. This scenario also has precedent in Doctor Who: The TARDIS being used as a Paradox Machine in The Sound of Drums. It's the exact same thing: an anchor across timelines allowing the future to modify the past even past the point that would break said future's existence.
Without such an anchor, I think the loop has to repeat exactly, and be repeated in exactly the same way, and events will align to allow it. What do you think?
for me, I've seen the information that arises from the bootstrap paradox to be a result of the time travel itself. the doctor going back in time to tell his past self the correct lever and going through that door to tell his past self again is the process that the information originates from. That's my take. and also, someone finally put two of my favourite shows together wahoo!!!
This reminds me of the PS2 game Grimgrimoire. Its takes place during a time loop that had lasted thousands of years. One girl is aware of its and things fall into place nicely for her after a few failed attempts and she eventually breaks it, but it shows a few versions who have failed, and they are essentially hundreds if years old. It shows pieces of the failed timelines so a to circumvent what happens with Twilight. It shows the MC saving the day after countless failed attempts, everything fitting together nicely, due to all the time she spent relieving everything. Not entirely the same, but a very fun game.
I was just wondering about this! I came to pretty much the same conclusion, but there's one idea I would like to float -- there is one more reference to this episode in a future episode. Season 4 finale. So I ask you -- where do you suppose Tirek fits into all this?
This is so interesting beyond MLP! Honestly I’m gonna write this down, it’ll definitely be helpful with anytime my creative works may feature time travel
It’s About Time was and probably always will be one of my favorite episodes of MLP. I really enjoyed it when i was younger and i love how unique it was in comparison to the rest of the show at the time i saw it, especially with how they used time travel loops as a way to teach the “don’t worry yourself too much” lesson. it’s just very creative to me in general.
That would mean there are more timelines, because before that, from the ninth, where the heroes also jumped their Twilight, Spike and Starlight jumped back into the past. But this time in the past they would meet themselves from the front line who are actually replacing them, and this would create another timeline. I wonder what would happen next. Do you have any ideas?
This is what I like to call a "Reverse Drain Paradox". So, when water goes down a drain, the water on the outside moves much slower towards the drain than water closer to it, and thus each loop is closer together. On the very edge of the spiral, the water barely approaches the drain with each loop while the water right next to it covers the distance quite fast so the loops are far apart. Drop a single drop of food coloring into a draining bathtub and you'll see this.
In a Reverse Drain Paradox, it's the opposite. The initial loops are quite far from each other, but as the loops move outward, they become closer and closer, however they never actually stay the same. Each time is still different by some degree, though by smaller and smaller amounts each time. It's like halving something over and over.
After calming down from my excitement, I do have only one question: what changed? This has nothing to do with MLP, it had to do with the Doctor Who issue. In the original timeline, as you put it, he didn't know which lever to pull and he had no help. So all he can do is guess. Get to the final timeline where he's told, where did the idea for telling himself come from? What changed to give him that idea? From the clips shown and what you say, it seems to me that the idea for telling himself would have had to have happened in the very first iteration. Consider this: why did the Doctor go through the door after failing the first time? It seems as though he had very little to no time, so where did this crazy idea to tell himself come from? Still, even if you ignore that, then there is still an issue. Based on the way you frame it, it was only because the "previous" Doctors told them what not to do that the "middle" Doctors did the same thing. This means that nothing changes until the previous Doctor comes through the door, right? So why does the Doctor "in the loop" have the idea? His very having of the idea means that the information really did come from nowhere, like in Bill and Ted with the keys, in a way. They intended to go back later and put the keys behind the bush, so the keys were there. The Doctor intended to go back and tell himself which lever to pull, so it's the same thing. After hearing about which lever to pull and pulling it, he went back and told himself which lever to pull. He jumped back in time briefly to fix a problem because he had to in order to make sure the problem was fixed so he could jump back in time. I hope this all makes sense, because for some reason I have never heard of anyone who understood this stuff. That was all out of order and basically a thought dump where I lost track of what I has already said multiple times, but I think my point is made.
Oh and I love the art. Just wanted to say. I think what is said of the MLP version is true and we just didn't see it, but the Doctor Who analogy I think has a bit of an oddity. Or more accurately, this is one way it could have happened.
Honestly my favorite video you've made. It was very captivating and it really made me think. I'm glad we still have pony channels like this in the community even heading into G5. Great content through and through!
this episode was perfect !! of course it solves the mlp paradox, but on top of that thisis a theory that makes sense for so many other time loop paradoxes
This was the first video from you that I was exited to watch in a long time, simply because all of your last videos were basically just speculation on what could/ will / did happen, and this time it actually was a topic that you could analize and get an answer to. Yes a little speculation was still in there but it felt a lot better than some of your last videos Please more stuff like this
This is an amazing idea. This basically follows the idea that the future can be changed. From the surface it appeared to say it can't, but if that were true than both variations would have come in on Twilight, not just one. The fact that it changed into a consistent loop shows that the future was changed until it became a straight path.
Thanks for another interesting video, Sawtooth! ^_^ I've thought about something similar to what you talked about here. Like…if the Back to the Future movies had been limited to the first film, would the Doc and Marty we first see have been responsible for starting a time travel loop? It's still a mystery what happened to the Marty from the new timeline though… If Twilight's loop was started by something like trial and error, then I guess a few new timelines were created before the consistent loop was formed. Does this mean that the time travel spell Twilight used was designed to pull someone back to their starting point in their original timeline and doesn't keep them in the newly created timeline? There would be multiple Twilights otherwise. Time travel can be so confusing…
I love this video, it's such a fun concept to wonder about! I wanted to write a novel that includes elements of time travel and I was always kinda scared how to handle it, because it's a pretty confusing thing to work with. In my world time travel caused multiple timelines to form so one timeline is still in a state of chaos and disaster, but the "fixed" and kinda "fake" one will be a different story. I don't have a situation where characters from the present and the future meet each other to tell themselves something however, so in this case, my job is easier, but there still are absolutely horrible consequences about to happen.
Never thought of that...but you're right, if there's a "perfect loop" in a time travel situation, for all we know there's a bunch of other steps leading to the perfect loop. Just because we don't see it, doesn't mean it's not there. "Though let's be honest, this is pre-alicorn Twilight we're talking about here, it wouldn't even take that much." Pfft - love that 😹 I do feel bad for pre-alicorn Twilight though, it must be exhausting to have so much pressure on yourself.
Does anyone remember in Gravity Falls, during one of the time travel episodes, Soos told Mabel the trick on opening the vending machine, and then when Mabel went back in time, she told younger Soos how to open the vending machine? Or in Milo Murphy's Law when the scientist guy threw a peach to warn himself of danger to his past self which makes the other guy pick up the peach and give it back to the past scientist guy when they go back in time so the question is, where did the peach come from?
Late to the video by a year, but I've been talking about this for years. You did however miss one vital point, we actually do know the inciting incident that caused the original Twilight to travel back in time, and although she never prevented it she changed the timeline enough to prevent total disaster.
The answer lies with Cerberus. Twilight caught him and returned him to his home as the guardian of the gates of Tartarus seemingly without incident. But we later learn from Celestia that it was on the day after Twilight met her future self, while Cerberus was away from his post, that Tirek escaped from Tartarus and began to regain his power.
Presumably in the original timeline Tirek absorbed all the magic and subjugated Equestria, causing a desperate Twilight to travel to the past in order to try and warn herself to prevent his escape or at least to recapture him before he became too powerful, and though she failed in that mission she changed the timeline and her personal future enough that she was able to defeat Tirek as we see at the end of season 4.
To be fair, Cerberus leaving the gates allowed Tirek to escape, so… there was a disaster, just not yet happening. Maybe that would explain why Tirek won in that other timeline.
Hey Sawtooth! I watched your previous video and revisited that episode to find something I found very peculiar. One of the many Starlight timelines is one with Discord. Celestia and Luna are there too. But isn't Luna Nightmare Moon at this point? Could there be a possibility for Nightmare to be defeated without the Mane 6 coming together after all? Either I misunderstood this, or I missed a video you made on this, but I just found it off. What do you think?
OMG wait you're right!!! Celestia reformed Luna without the Mane 6?! I mean... how?!
I always saw the reformation of NMM as the biggest success of the Mane 6 because I always thought they were the only one that could do this, but now they're kinda useless... (because there isn't anything else they can do that Celestia can't)
@scifi DINO I don't think they were entirely useless, I still believe Celestia couldn't reform Luna alone as in the Nightmare Moon timeline, we see that Celestia has been banished. But maybe Celestia and another group of friends like the CMCs maybe? Idk I haven't really gotten any big headcanons for this
@scifi DINO True. Though the Mane 6 still represent the elements and their friendship is still the biggest power Equestria has, there is one other way to defeat NMM. Perhaps it's just Celestia stealing and using the elements again, though why it would reform now and not just banish again? Idk. Plus also the fact that to banish NMM after returming to Equestria would mean Tia was banished for a 1000 years, which wouldn't align with Discord as that happens in the alternate universe's present. Though I do remember Nightmare mentioning something about 'my sister has been banished to the moon for a millenium' which implies Tia lost the first duel between them??? Sorry if I went on a bit of a ramble here, I just have a lot of thoughts on this lol
@NeuroEmpathJewel Yeah, the entire arc was very confusing! XD
But these are like alternate universes, so in one NMM succeeds and in the other Discord succeeds, so in a timeline, only one of those can happen. So all the timelines happen in the present day, just in alternate timelines (so no space ships and plasma guns).
Now come to speak of NMMs take over, how can NMM banish Celestia to the moon? Would this mean the elements aren't the only thing that can do that? The fact that they can't do any areal damage already lets me question their power, but now seeing that NMM also can do something that the elements did, that makes them kinda as useless as the Mane 6 XD
And btw I place the power of a fully utilized Celestia or Discord over the elements anyways, and now the elements seem weaker than NMM too?
And I don't know why banish her the first time and reform her the second time, I don't even know why she banished her the first time XD (I mean Tartarus is a much better thing to do because Celestia can still continue to talk to NMM that way)
@scifi DINO Huh, you make a good point about Tartarus as a banishment instead of the Moon, especially if Tia wanted to reform NMM. I too, question the elements, but their power seems to be fixed in universe as the possible second best power source in the universe, only second to the Magic of Friendship itself. I see your point about the elements, but since Tia used them to defeat NMM the first time after failing herself, I always thought of it as Friendship>Elements>Discord>Nightmare Moon>Celestia My problem with the elements is entirely on how they work, as they seem to have a mind of their own, banishing to the moon, turning to stone, reforming and sending to Tarturus as they please, as neither Celestia nor the Mane 6 seem to control that. Though I suppose that is true for all forms of magic, as even in Season 9, in the Beginning of the End, the Friendship Magic seems to permanently vanquish Sombra, while just draining the magic in Ending of the End. As for the timelines, as you stated, in one, NMM succeeds, and in another, Discord succeeds. What's interesting here is that in Discord's world, both Tia and Luna are in Equestria, not corrupted. Unless Discord somehow brought back Tia and Luna, there is an unnamed event which led to that which we do not yet know of. I'm guessing either 1) (this one I'm not convinced on cause there's still some timeline and elements problems with this one) NMM won their first duel so a 1000 years later, Tia returns, uncorrupted (somehow), and defeats NMM in the alternate first episode of the show, or 2) Discord broke free in a world where NMM was banished, returned in an alternate 1st episode, defeated Tia since there is no Mane 6 without the Rainboom, and is ruling Equestria. Discord then possibly turned NMM back to Luna and brought back Celestia from the moon, to keep an eye on them, taunt them for eternity, or make sure they can never defeat him in case both their corrupted forms together try to (by making sure they never get corrupted, cause who knows what would happen to Tia on the moon? We never find out Daybreaker's full power outside of Starlight's dream, it could maybe rival Discord's). Again, I'm still pretty confused about this, and sorry if I made it more confusing, but these are just my rambles. Thank you for listening and replying to my thoughts so far
@scifi DINO I asked my sibling about the elements thing as they're also a fan of MLP and Sawtooth, and they gave me this theory about how they work So it basically hinges on the fact that the elements, and the magic of friendship in general, knows or can sense the person the Mane 6 are fighting, so it figures out a personalised punishment for them so they can learn from it. NMM was banished to the moon so for those 1000 years, she couldn't control the moon, but rather, she had to accept and live with the moon being controlled by her sister, which may have led to get resenting Tia more. The second time she tried to take over in Season 1, when she saw the Mane 6 wielding the elements, something in her must have wanted that, as they are just ordinary ponies, with no special princess status or power, wielding magic simply because of their friendship. If just that can make them powerful and content with their friendship, maybe she can be content with her place too. This feeling could have made the elements give her one more chance instead of just banishment again. For Discord, he was redeemable, but out of control, so the elements turned him to mundane stone, regular, ordinary, completely non-chaotic but not irreversible cause he can be redeemed. Tirek, to Tartarus, cause he probably needed some time to reflect on his actions and maybe come to his own conclusion, while trapped in a prison with no power when at one point, he had all of it. With the Pony of Shadows, the elements pull Stygian out, probably sensing the good in him while pushing back the darkness. With Sunset, again, the Crown/Friendship Magic must have sensed her potential as a good person, and thus opted to redeem. With Sombra in season 9, he wasn't corrupted (in canon at least) and he'd tried to take over for the 3rd time then. Maybe they sensed no goodness in him, and thus choose to vanquish (basically kill) him With the Mean 3 in the finale, I suppose it gave them one chance because it sensed at least some hope for them, by draining their power but not reforming them as they're not corrupted by magic, but rather by their minds. Basically according to this theory which attempts to explain why the elements seem to have different punishments to different villains, it tries to give them a chance at redemption by offering them something related to or the exact opposite of their power (example: from chaos to non moving stone but leaving him alive and able to think) so they can reflect and hopefully, see the value of friendship. What do you think?
@NeuroEmpathJewel I could have understood why Celestia didn't banish NMM to Tartarus if the fight went down like this: Celestia held back a majority of her power because she didn't want to hurt her sister but then she got a critical hit and crashed next to the elements by luck and kinda used them as a last resort to prevent getting killed herself and the elements decided to be stupid, but the way the show portrays the fight it really is kinda disappointing und it doesn't really make sense. (In general overlord level combat isn't epic enough) Btw my thoughts on magic power levels are Discord > Celestia > Friendship > Elements > NMM (I see the sun as more powerful than friendship, being a power that isn't limited to the planet)
And yeah, the way the elements work is very strange... Putting the limited damage aside, there are so many conditions... needing all 6 to be present, needing the wielder(s) to have the right personality/ies and doing damage in ways the operator has no control over... Not a really practical weapon... And you're right, the power of friendship does that too, so... should they be considered unqualified as weapons?
To the timelines: 1)The thought that NMM won their first duel is interesting, being that Twilight didn't travel just to a timeline without Rainboom, but instead travelling into a timeline where history itself occurred completely different. But this would require NMM to either be able to use the need-high-personality-requirements elements or be as powerful ad these, which I both consider improbable. 2)So if I got everything correct that one requires NMM to defeat Celestia, right? But then It doesn't really make sense for Discord to bring back Celestia since he would pretty much be bringing back the only being that poses a non-negligible threat, but to put it in Discords words: "what fun is there in making sense" (I mean was literally guiding the mane 6 to defeat him too), so I guess it is possible, even though that would only underline Discords incompetence even more XD Either way, it is pretty confusing. The fact that we neither know Discord's, Celestia's nor Luna's/NMM's full extends of power and there isn't any "universal fandom interpretation" of it doesn't make it easier.
My personal favorite probably is now that Celestia was able to turn NMM back to Luna (boring, I know XD), even though I would have liked it more that the Mane 6 were like the important bound between Celestia and Luna that brought them together...
@NeuroEmpathJewel Hmmm... The theory with the elements makes sense.
I guess we shouldn't try to get too deep into the philosophy of the elements of harmony, then somebody will start to recommend the elements just reprogramming the way the villains think XD
@scifi DINO Thank you for your reply, and though I disagree on the power levels you mentioned here, I have to agree to your final point, that the most logical way of things to happen is for Celestia to have simply reformed Luna herself, negating the special aspect about the Mane 6, because any other explanation we have both discussed leaves a plot hole or doesn't match with continuity somewhere else. It's ironic really, that in the end of the episode, in the ruined timeline where nothing is left, Twilight makes a point about how every friendship is special and unique, and even letting one not form can have disastrous implications, and yes, though this is proven in many timelines she saw, the Discord timeline unintentionally disproves this point because the only non canon-breaking explanation for that one is that Celestia could reform Luna herself. Knowing what we know now about Celestia letting Twilight handle all the threats to Equestria so she can be prepared to rule in the future, what if, in all the alternate timelines, she's either waiting or personally sent Twilight herself to make friends and save their world? Perhaps when she failed, Tia stepped in herself to reform her sister. Just some food for thought.
Because we never find out her in-universe power, or Luna's, or Discord's, all interpretations of their power is different, the theory we've both presented here may never perfectly fit into canon. But hey, that's the fun of theories, right?
@scifi DINO Yeah lol, reprogramming the villains instead of letting them change by taking away their power or the cause of their 'evil' would be... Something. But in the end of the day, like the maximum power levels of the characters, we only have to theorise an explanation. Thank you, once again, for reading and replying to my long and sometimes unfocused thoughts lol. It's fun talking to someone just as interested in MLP and this universe as me. I kinda hope Sawtooth reads this, they could probably actually make something out of our several long explanations.
@NeuroEmpathJewel The S5 finale gives so much theory/discussion potential!! XD
Tia in the pilot arc basically waiting in the back to see if Twilight succeeds with NMM reminds me of a funny comic I saw on DeviantArt (this one: https://www.deviantart.com/doublewbrothers/art/What-If-Celestia-01-825078009 ), which kinda toys around with "what if the Mane 6 never existed?". And having a theory from Sawtooth about all this would be really interesting, to see what they(Is it correct? I never used non-binary pronouns) thinks. (Even though that's a lot of stuff! XD)
To recap... -How was Luna present during the Discord timeline? How was she reformed? -Why wasn't Luna banished to Tartarus 1 000 years ago when she first turned into NMM? -How was Celestia banished to the moon? -The video of Sawtooth about "How did Chrysalis succeed" brought up another idea: What if Celestia wasn't actually banished to the moon but captured somewhere else and the banished to the moon thing was some kind of "public propaganda"? -How do the elements of harmony work?
-Why don't they cause areal damage? -How is the punishment selected? -Why don't they "reprogram" the mind of the villains? -Where is the powerlimit for the elements? (Maybe they just aren't powerful enough to get deep enough into the mind of somepony with raised magic-protection) -how do you activate the elements? Like how do Rainbow Dash, Rarity and Apple Jack, Ponys that well... don't really qualify for their representation, activate their elements? -How powerful are the Overlords? (Pretty my term for Luna, Celestia and Discord lol) How powerful are friendship and love?
And no problem for the reading and replying, having comment discussions on YouTube makes a lot of fun, it played a big part in saving me from being bored during Corona XD
@NeuroEmpathJewel I've got a darker theory for how Luna was present in the Discord timeline...
What if the Luna there wasn't the "real" Luna? When NMM returned, there were no Mane 6 or elements there to reform her, so Celestia had to fight NMM herself. Now what if Luna somehow died in the fight and Celestia later created a "clone" of her in an attempt to reduce her own pain and guilt?...
Ah, screw it, I am in the mlp fandom for comedy and to cheer myself up (and ponies shooting each others with lasers), not some dark stories!
@scifi DINO You pretty much got every question we tried to answer here! Good job, it can't have been easy, there's so many mysteries still left to be solved. Also, I love the name the Overlords for Tia, Luna and Discord lol, it suits them. And yes, Sawtooth has asked to be referred to as they/them, so you're using it right, don't worry. Yeah, (some) YouTube comment sections really are great in getting you to think and letting you forget your worries for at least some time, and this community has been a part of that joy for me as well, thanks to people like you. Here's to hoping Sawtooth puts their brilliant mind to these questions and gives them an answer! ✨
@scifi DINO Haha you're right, I see this as possible only if MLP was a universe with dark stuff like this. But in the universe we live in, our beloved ponies are colorful, light and wholesome. Maybe in all alternate reality where MLP was dark, this could happen? Now if only we could travel to alternate realities and see for ourself...
@NeuroEmpathJewel "Now if only we could travel to alternate realities and see for ourself..." Now we need somebody with the username "Starlight Glimmer" to reply a "Hello there" under this one! XD
@scifi DINO Sweet! I know Sawtooth is as well, I remember being so surprised when Sawtooth brought up Ashla and Bogan and the legends lore of Star Wars in the 'Elements of Disharmony' video wayyyy back in the day.. you never know what you'll find here!
@NeuroEmpathJewel My knowledge is mostly post-Naboo crisis to pre-battle of Endor, I have to say that I basically know nothing about the old republic XD
I found out that Sawtooth was a Star Wars fan when I saw the "finally solving the royal guard" video where they was like "Good, twice the Sawtooth, double the horse theory" XD
@NeuroEmpathJewel I just had another thought: If Starlight messed up reality in this timeline, why can't Starlights of other timelines mess up theirs aswell? Our Luna problem would be solved (in a not-so-tragic way) if this Luna was simply pushed into the Discord timeline from another timeline where she was reformed! XD We would get an enormously confusing and wired together multiverse complex where nobody would know who comes from which timeline! That could also explain why for instance Minuette and Doctor Whooves share the same cutie mark! Like what if Doctor Whooves was like thrown here from another timeline where Minuette had a different mark and the "doctor of this timeline" has another cutie mark? XDDD
@scifi DINO Cool, Star Wars is Star Wars, you do you, my friend. I'm pretty deep into Star Wars lore though, canon and legends, especially the Old Republic era. Also, I'm not sure if this was a grammatical mistake or not, but you used 'they was'. People who use they/them pronouns use the correct grammar to go with it, so to describe a non-binary person, you'd still say 'they were' instead of 'they was'. Only difference is that it applies to a single person rather than a group of people. If it was just a typing error, then no problem, but if it wasn't, I hope I could clear things up for you
@NeuroEmpathJewel Oh okay, thanks for the clarification :) As said, this is my first time using non-binary pronouns, so I thought like "well it's singular, so I'll go with "was"" XD And Star Wars my Star Wars knowledge tends to go more in the direction of spaceships, weaponry and technology in general (again, mostly post-Naboo crisis to pre-battle of Endor😅)
@scifi DINO .... That's actually genius. We don't know how many timelines there exist in total, and how many Starlights exist who want to get revenge. Perhaps when Starlight casted the spell, it caused a rift in the multiverse and caused this to happen?! Wow, I love this theory, cause it is still very much possible, and makes total sense to me! I agree it would be huge and universe-shattering, and this could actually align with another theory Sawtooth made called 'Starlight's Multiverse' In that video, they say that since those timelines still exist and are the way they are because of Starlight, she and all the ponies with the hour glass cutie mark travel between worlds to set things right and make sure the Mane 6 meet in all of them. Perhaps, if that theory were true, part of their mission would be to return everyone to their original world!!
@scifi DINO no problem, buddy Like I said, Star Wars is Star Wars, and there's something in it that interests everyone, so you can pretty much pick and choose which part of it you'd like to know, and there's probably at least one piece of media that would cover just that. It's the beauty of Star Wars, really. I'm really interested in history and lore, thus my fascination with the Old Republic
@NeuroEmpathJewel "We don't know how many timelines there exist in total" For me the answer is unlimited timelines, which equals unlimited Starlights that want revenge. And I just realized this entangled and confusing multiverse complex could serve as a great parody/comedy XD And unlimited timelines would mean that these time ponies would try to do the impossible XD Maybe one timeline can only interact with like 1 000 other timelines and they just kinda try to shove all ponies that don't belong into their timeline out of it?🤔😂 Also very fun to think of
Also "how many Starlights exist" kinda reminds me of ForgaLorga's videos! XD (great mlp animation channel)
@scifi DINO True, since the possibilities are endless, there are unlimited different ways something as large as the Mane 6 not coming together can impact the multiverse, and that means no one person can fix all of it. This implies the multiverse is permanently broken in some parts, which is both really interesting, and really confusing to think about. In Sawtooth's video about Starlight's Multiverse, they only mentioned the timelines we saw in season 5, as they are directly caused by our Straight. But perhaps, seeing as there are several Starlights, there could be several of them trying to set it right, or the way I see this working, each reformed Starlight (I say reformed cause at least in a few timelines, there's gotta be unreformed Starlights) fixes the timelines she created. So, our Starlight fixes the Chrysalis, Sombra, NMM, Discord, Flim-Flam and Tirek timelines (all the ones she sent Twilight to. Also I didn't mention the 'nothing is left' timeline because I'm not sure anything can be done in it). Meanwhile, other Starlights from other universes fix the timelines they created (which are different from the ones our Starlight created) so balance can return to the Multiverse. Does that make sense?
@NeuroEmpathJewel Well it is confusing to think about unlimited stuff, because unlimited is... well unlimited. It really is just something a human mind cannot really comprehend. A small fraction of unlimited is still unlimited, so even if 99.9% of all timelines are cleared, there will still be unlimited not cleared timelines. And then there is the question: How many timelines did our Starlight really create? Sure Twilight visited 7 (was it 7? I think it was 7 XD) timelines, but how many unvisited timelines are there? Every second, unlimited (there it is again, the super confusing term) new timelines get created (unless there is like some "universal tick-speed", then you could say that every passing "tick" generates one timeline, but now assuming this "universal tick" = 0, you would get a new timeline every 0 seconds), so you have unlimited "created" timelines for every Starlight. Now... Were they even created or have they always been there and Twilight just had her "timeline access" changed?
Also another meme I spontaneously thought of: "Also I didn't mention the 'nothing is left' timeline because I'm not sure anything can be done in it" Terraforming: Am I a joke to you?
@scifi DINO Haha, your point about terraforming is true, and I didn't think of that lol. I was speaking from a 'get everyone back to their original world timeline' perspective, but you're right! That world can still be saved. As for your point about the multiverse, now that I think about it, Sawtooth's theory hinges on the fact that Starlight created them, because then there is a finite number of universes that she can fix. The infinite possibilities comes when each Starlight from those 7 universes creates their own timelines, from which more Starlights create their own timelines, etc. But if our Starlight were to travel back in time to those 7 universes, say, for example, in the NMM timeline, if she traveled to before NMM returned (season 1 episode 1 but the Rainboom never happened), and warned Celestia, and brought the Mane 6 together herself, that would lead to Luna's reformation. Then, our Starlight would travel to meet her alternate self and lead other Starlight to Twilight, to possibly learn alongside her and prevent other Starlight from ever creating more alternate timelines. This prevents other Starlight from time-traveling and breaking the multiverse, and if does was done with all 7 Starlights and Mane 6s in the 7 timelines we saw in Season 5, that means A) if Starlight created those timelines and no other universes exist, she prevented them from ever existing by saving herself from her path B) if infinite timelines always existed and Starlight merely allowed access to them in s5, then by saving herself from ever time traveling, she's locked those timelines from ever being visited, and letting them play out without intervention Both of these seem like a win to me. One could argue that a multiverse in MLP has always existed due to the comics (Sawtooth's other Multiverse video) but from just s5, if Starlight wanted to correct her mistake, these 2 ways are how I see it playing out
@NeuroEmpathJewel Now that we are talking more about time travelling than Luna, let's ask the ultimate question: Why didn't she time travel to prevent Sunburst from being taken or to prevent the loss of her village? She has such a powerful device at her disposal, but instead of trying to repair her own losses she tries to cause more destruction and suffering. And the other point about Starlight just preventing the other Starlights is kinda interesting, like thats like really entangled time travel... Like one travels to another universe and then back in time in that one and teaches her other self to not do bad stuff and how to time travel, then that other self travels to yet another dimension and so on and so forth XD It then will go on infinitely XD But what would happen then? Would the ponies that don't come from this timeline originally disappear? Or will it still stay mixed? Man, this is so confusing! XD
I love that Sawtooth explains all this just to have their past self do the exact same thing in the future, creating a loop, after explaining loops. Very clever, Sawtooth.
Around the time this video came out, I had come up with a theory that the way this loop happened was, there was a disaster and twilight needed to fix it! She sends a letter to Celestia, who suggests going back in time to warn her past self with the time spell from the star swirl wing. After going back in time and coming back, she and the rest of the mane six use the elements of harmony to stop the disaster. Also, imagine the loop is still going on to this day in G5
Hey, this was a very cool video! I doubt you are the first person to explain that thing with the knowledge that came from nowhere in time loops, but you did a great job explaining it, and you did it with a fan favourite time loop.
This is really solid I can't actually find any flaws to this Here's a new question tho, what would have happened to each Twilight prior to the paradoxical one after the Time-Spell had ended? Applying the same concept you had in the theory of Starlight's Time-Travelling, it'd likely be that each Twilight is still in her own timeline. Would that Twilight's timeline be affected at all by the time-travel? Surely it wasn't just fully deleted or smth
Hey, love your theory and love that doctor strange reference. I think I have something more to add. What if that actual disaster in the first iteration was the changing attack on center lot. Perhaps the first future Twilight was coming back to warn her past self in an effort to stop Queen Cryslis before she invaded Canterlot.
Awesome!!! You're so smart. I could never come up with that theory. This is a great theory and it fits perfectly. And I think that's exactly what happened without hesitation. I knew your video had to be amazing, since you kept us waiting for two weeks.
I really love how you integrate the topic of the video with the context of the video! It's something that inspires me to become a content creator one day ^^
Okay, now I can use this knowledge to explain where the peach came from in the Milo Murphy’s Law time loop (in the episode “Missing Milo”). For those who don’t know, at the time in question, the characters were about to run right into an army of pistachio monsters, but a peach was thrown at them to stop them so they would see the pistachio monsters and not run into them. Later, they go back in time and see themselves about to run into the pistachio monsters, so they throw the same peach at themselves to warn them, but then they have this big existential crisis of where did we get the peach? So basically what Sawtooth would be implying based on this theory is that the characters originally got caught by the pistachio monsters, but they escape, get the peach, and go back in time and throw it at themselves to warn them. But now they have the peach and can just use the same peach over and over again.
At a later episode, “Fungus Among Us,” a similar thing happens with a letter Milo wrote to send to himself in the past. He just decides to use the same one instead of writing a new one. So before that time loop started, he realized he needed to deliver a letter to his past self, so he writes it and delivers it to his past self, who then uses it on his next past self, and so on and so forth.
tl;dw the solution to the bootstrap paradox is that traveling in time the first time and altering events eventually leads to a time loop occurring. In this case the loop occurs due to Twilight trying to fix a problem she already solved and traveling in time out of paranoia. (of course it’s not a true loop as minuscule, unobservable changes may eventually lead to different outcomes)
So, according to that theory, that means after a time travel, there's no way to go to a past point of the same timeline? Since eventually it modify the results of said timeline, creating a different one, so even in a timeloop, all the timelines are still different ones, generating infinite timelines?
Kind of remind me of the Milo Murphy Law where when MIlo with the time traveler duo got hit with a peach that warn them from the pistachio army. Dakota keep it and then when they three come back way early, they saw their other self about to get capture by the pistachio, so they throw at the past self and give us a really big and confuse question "Where the heck that peach came from?"
And Cavendish was like "Wait a minute. Where did you get that peach?" And Dakota was like "Someone threw it at you earlier." And Cavendish was like "But that someone was me." And Dakota was like "I know." And Cavendish is like "But where did I get it? And Dakota was like "From me." And Cavendish was like "Yes, but where did you get it?" And Dakota was like "Someone threw it at you earlier." And Cavendish is like "But that someone was me!" And Dakota is like "I know!" And Cavendish is like "But where did I get it? And Dakota was like "I know" And Cavendish is like "But where did I get it? And Dakota is like "Someone threw it at you earlier!" And Cavendish was like "But that someone was me!" And Dakota is like "From me! And Cavendish is like "Yes, but where did you get it?" And Dakota is like "Someone threw it at you earlier!" And Cavendish is like "BUT THAT SOME —"
So, with this all in mind, how can a timeloop logically end, if it can end at all? How did Twilight manage to get out of all of this and stop the time travel, leading her to continue with the story at some point?
This is confusing but just listen(read) When the loop started (where the disaster happened )(future) twilight went in the past. Before the disaster happened. Future twilight tries to tell past twilight about the disaster but past twilight’s worrying led to the head band eyepatch and other. But there is a problem. Past twilight must have to go through the same because that is how time works, but she didn’t. Future twilight went in the past. What happened to future twilight sparkle never happened to past twilight. Past leads to the future. If Past twilight had a change, future twilight should also have a change. So that means future twilight never existed. Cause everything happened differently so did twilight. Time had a slight change. And if future twilight never existed the loop would have never happened in the future. You see the problem here. But I also have a solution Solution: future twilight went in a alternative timeline. Cause twilight was smart enough to figure this out. That solves this problem
I actually really needed this another show! It just ended today in bootstrap paradox. I don’t know all the details to explain it to myself but this really helped me understand! Thanks!
OH MY GOD YOU LEGEND. The bootstrap paradox has plagued my brain for so long, in various media, always making me frustrated. And YOU EXPLAINED IT. I can die peacefully now
My theory was that one of the Future Twilights was from an alternative universe that, like Starlight, went back in time to change the future, thus creating the paradox. Or perhaps it was the wrong spell which instead of going back in time, she went into another universe to stop something that was never going to happen in the first place.
What if the disaster was Cerberus, and the first Twilight had a slightly harder to much harder time dealing with it, maybe because Fluttershy would be at Pinkie Pie’s party, causing her to try and warn past Twilight what she was going to have to do, and that she would need Fluttershy’s help, but of course not getting her point across, and causing the loop.
Congrats on coming out, so proud of you! Also I know it's been 4 months since the gideo's come out I'm so sorry, congrats! Also my head hurts, this was kind of confusing
Okay, first off I'd like to say that I like this theory, for both the two mini doctor who episodes and the future Twilight episode. It makes sense and keeps in line with the rules of time travel. But something you overlooked, or thought that it didn't fit the script, or some other reason, it effectively stops them from being a bootstrap paradox. For a bootstrap paradox to be.....well, a bootstrap paradox there is no determinal origin; that's what makes it a paradox. The most famous explanation of the bootstrap paradox is the time traveler that loved Beethoven's works, so much so that they go back in time to meet him, but upon arriving, finds out that no one knows who Beethoven is, not even his supposed family. The time traveler, who cannot bare the thought of a world without Beethoven or his works, decided that since he has copies of the sheet music, writes them up themselves and effectively become Beethoven. The question is who was originally Beethoven and wrote up the notes in the first place? Since that can't be determined, that makes it a bootstrap paradox. Since your theory proposes a timeline that has am original starting point, that makes it so no paradox is formed. Sorry for rambling and to reiterate, I do like your theory and do think that it's quite possible, I could just talk about paradoxes all day, and how freakish and impossible they are
@Sawtooth Waves Exactly, that's the entire nature of a paradox; something that can't/shouldn't happen, otherwise the entire universe could collapse into itself. Time is a big ball of wibbly wobbly, timey wimey stuff, and a paradox is a square of impossible things ........I should be asleep and yet I'm discussing about paradoxes at 6am ^.^'
Hmm I've personally always believed that you could never change the past because it's something that already happened, so I neve found paradoxes like this odd however it was definitely interesting. 🥰
But if before the disaster, and the first twilight went back in time, when the future twilight we know would go back in time, wouldn’t there be three twilights? Or maybe it erased the original twilight and made the twilight we know.
Please do an episode on how height works in My Little Pony? A first I thought it was just princesses who got to be tall, but Twilight is regular-sized, and Tempest and Big Mack are not princesses (unless you count that one time in ''Do Princesses Dream Of Magic Sheep?'') but just about reach Celestia's shoulder. I'm confused and in need of answers.
I always thought that Twilight heavily freaked out about her schedule and tried to go back into the past to fix it causing past twilight to worry, try to disaster proof equestria (not recognizing the signs because they weren’t there except for possibly the scar like they said in the vid) maybe another iteration before getting to the loop we see in the show, but anyway that to me would keep the sentiment of her trying to tell herself not to worry in the iteration before and the perfect loop we see in the show. I’m not saying Sawtooth’s theory is wrong or anything just saying what I always thought happened + a little more thinking inspired by their outlook on it
can we appreciate how sawtooth changes outfits like all the time for special occasions, that is too much effort remaking sprites on top of everything else, we gotta give some credit to the artist of those sprites man
I'm pretty sure what they showed in the episode was met to explain everything. The loop paradox began the second Future Twilight cast that spell to warn Past Twilight to not worry so much, that was basically her trying to talk to herself in the past. As in there was no Future or Past Twilight, it was just Twilight.
I think it started with Cerberus wrecking the town, then the next iteration the bridge collapsed because the dam broke, but they didn't notice the dam broke. The next loop, they fixed the bridge but noticed the rush of water that broke the bridge. Then Twilignt had the idea to dend Rainbow upstream to fix anything else. Something went wrong and Rainbow must have told Twilight looking like an insurance ad. The next iteration, Twilight sends Rainbow upstream again and thia happens for a few loops. Then Rainbow decides to look for problems because I feel like Twilight would have brought Rainbow this time and Rainbow said something. Basically they try to prevent disasters that they notice along the way, becoming slightly smarter each time until say they see a cliff with a loose face. That would be bad if it collapsed, crushing the town below it, which impacts trade around the country because they have access to a rare resource whoch is needed for medicines and certain technologies. These technologies wouldn't get shipped to the companies that buy them, which don't have them to sell to other companies, which can't get the money it would rake in to fix things like bridges and dams, leading to, well, societial collapse and Twilight going back in time to warn her past self. I also think the loop could evolve further, if some future version of Twilight realizes the chain that caused her existence in the first place. She could write a list as she fixes various things, and bring that list back in time with the eventual instructions to rewrite the list so it doesn't degrade. This list is important because it will eventually lead to future Twilight looking less and less like future Twilight as she realized to protect herself against the things that made her lookclike that in the first place. This loop will eventually evolve into future Twilight handing past Twilight a list of things that can go wrong with instructions on how to fix them and to prevent injury to her. Once my ideal loop is reached, Twilight could hone her magic skills a bit and practice going back in time again and maybe modify the spell before Starlight comes on the scene, likely leading her and Starlight never to become friends because she has the power to stop her before she ever becomes a problem through Dr Who-like abuse of time travel. This would lead to the space-time continuum being damaged beyond repair and Twilight's warning and loop being erased as the multiverse it created merges with itself erasing time going both forward and backward, meaning the time travel spell never existed because Starswirl never existed. Equestria would be a nonexistent prepetually burnt, tidally locked rock of a planet because Celestia never existed to rotate the planet that doesn't exist. The Big Bang of that universe would never have happened so time was never invented by the universe, leading to a universal superposition of existing at all points at all times and existing at no points never. However, the Dr Who time loop would probably not evolve further until The Doctor starts wondering "Wait, why the wibbly lever?" and starts that loop over again with "Definitely the wibbly lever." and it continues as we saw it.
Whenever i think of a bootstrap paradox, i think of the song of storms from oot. By this logic, i wonder if the windmill man came up with the song himself and taught it to link but after it was too late to stop ganon. This would give link a reason to go back in time and teach it to the windmill man earlier.
I genuinely had no ideas on how a bootsrap paradox could start before seeing this video and now i feel like I've had so many questions answered
I love the whole idea of the time paradox, and the explanation, it's awesome. I think you should make a video about what happened after twilight star pupil went to ponyville, I mean I know you did one on her parents but look at it this way. Scootaloo, Sweetie Bell and Apple Bloom are a bit older than twilight star pupil, meaning the time occured way into the future, Starlight runs the school and Teilight in herself is the Princess of Equestria, but as she mentioned every since she became the princess of Equestria and taken over Celestia school she hasnt gotten the time to really teach friendship and even though they meet once every moon, if there is a friendship problem twilight and maybe her friends wont be able to tend to it, cause twilight has more on her shoulder as it is, this is known because of the time when Starlight switched Luna and Celistia cutie mark we saw the challenges they went threw, so the question is would Starlight take over and become the princess of friendship under twilight judgement, will her pupil be the princess? I think maybe her pupil have a chance of that possibility due to the last episode as to where she went off with her new friends a Griffin, kirin and other creatures. The shared love and friendship between crestures can be even more powerful than it was between ponies this was proven in the episode when twilight first open the school, galus and his friends having a treehouse, talking to the tree of harmony, defeating cozy glow and also helping twilight in the time discord made a mistake in reuniting and making Crystalis, Cozy Glow and Tyrek , it wouldnt necessarily be Sandbar since be is 1 an earth pony and 2 males cannot be Alicorn, so I think Twilight pupil, Luster Dawn and that might be her destiny in it self and why she was sent to the school of friendship in ponyville
i think that's a solid time travel theory, I never knew about a diagram of zigzags and a half circle could represent a time loop. also I don't mind other yous, the more the merrier
I have a few things to say about this so, hold on tight! The Bootstrap Paradox is not an impossible situation, it’s a form of time travel. For example, in Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban, there’s a point in which they use time travel. 🛑Spoiler Warning!🛑 I’ll be vague, two of the characters go back in time to stop someone from being killed. They end up saving two lives and not just one. One of the characters before-hand had tried to save the first victim they had to save. They saw someone save them and the other character with one spell. They think it’s their dad, but their dad is dead. Later, when they travel back in time, they realized that person was them but in the future! The only way all of these characters are still alive is because of the Bootstrap Paradox! At least, that’s how time travel works there. However, there’s one more thing I should mention, the time travel in that universe sent them back three hours. And at the end of it, they go back to where they were before traveling just as their past selves leave so THEY can time travel. Then, we focus on what the future selves do for the rest of the series. I hope this makes sense. When I saw this part of the movie, time travel made a lot more sense to me. Maybe it’ll open others eyes as well!
Hey Sawtooth. The fact that someone powerful is required to manually raise the sun implies that Equestria is tidally locked to its parent star. This means that in order to raise and lower the sun you would need to turn the wnole planet. I don't know for sure, but turning even a small planet enough that the day lasts a normal amount of time (say round about 20-30 hours) would take a ton of energy. This would explain why it took an entire team of the most powerful sorcerers to do so before Celestia came along. I also think Equestria's surface gravity is less than Earth's due to the fact that it doesn't take much to get a whole horse to fly, even a beefcake such as Bulk Biceps.
What if the disaster was one of the timelines Starlight caused with the scroll, then when the Twilight from that time line went back in time, they messed something up, and went too far back? But then Twilight over worries, and then that timeline of Starlight's is destroyed, putting into motion the events of the episode we see? It's a bit confusing, but it also kinda fits-
Basically it’s a time paradox with an infinite time loop! If you guys want a simple terms of explanation, basically play the video game Time splitters future perfect on the original Xbox, PlayStation 2, or GameCube! Your doing a really good job with time travel videos, and anyone with interest of time travel would lloovve the time splitters series!😉
It honestly never even occurred to me to make any sort of linear sense out of this episode, or any other time travel story. I guess I'm just okay with things being paradoxical. What makes this explanation great though, isn't just that it's plausible and neat-sounding, it's that it has that one quality that elevates all things that possess it to legendary status...
honestly those Doctor who shorts I really questioned how the doctor knew which lever to pull I was thinking maybe he read the manual for piloting the tardis but the solution you came up with is more logical
Thank you so much this was one of the only things in mlp I had a hard time with... Now if I can just figure out what the spell twilight cast at the end of season 3 actually did.
Though I have a theory that the spell killed her using the elements and took her and the personalities of the other 5 to make the tree of harmony's personality all the whole celestia was using twilight's now dead soul from being killed to make new alicorn twilight. That's the o ly way a friendship spell killing you could makes sense
There's a whole Netflix series about the endless loop. It is "Dark" (original's on German) and you really should watch it. And the Thing with Twilight always got me insane bc of no explanation!! So yep, same question
Twilight somehow knowing the spell and telling past Twilight reminds me of how link knew the song of storms, it’s theorized that it was young Link who taught the guy in the windmill the song of storms but wen adult Link goes to the windmill he’s taught the song of storms by the guy in the windmill, that loop doesn’t tell us who wrote the song of storms lol
You're not wrong with a paradox starts is always ends up like unstable but when you figure out which is which and what not to do tells the past self what not to do until they find the right one and after they find the right one they stabilized the Paradox making it infinite. I'm amazed you didn't figure this out earlier it's common paradoxical knowledge
Wait a moment... Pinkie Pie made contact around the end of the series with the magic of Discord from that bell thing. It's magical involvement with Pinkie Pie ended up getting through from one end of time to the other, possibly causing a loop in the first place throughout the whole series, then causing a relationship between time, space, and Discord's magic in general. Possibly it's the reason why we have Discord from the very beginning, and his magical involvement and abilities, leading to several events that get caused by the magic being in their world. Maybe this one needs some more looking in to?
I actually thought this couldn't be solved and was just an inescapable plot hole but I guess you proved me wrong. This "multiple iterations" concept does make a lot of sense.
This was very easy for me to follow and this is the first time I have heard anything like this. My imagination just got bigger.... Lol. Thanks for this video!!! 😀. Edit: 😁😄😉😋
Just re-watched the episode and it made me think... what if Pinkie wrote that spell? Paired with her abilities to see dangers and various other things who says she did didnt make it when she "found" it?
Little did we know the real future Twilight was from an alternate future where the machines rule equestria. She used the spell but went to the wrong timeliness starting the loop
I always thought the same way, that some paradox don't start just like that, but that went through several things to get vto the perfect loop. Sometimes I even thought that I was just crazy
Great idea, but here is my problem. Just WHAT was the original disaster?? We have seen Twilight face horrible events AND villain attacks before. But never once did she consider such a solution. At least, whatever happened in the original timeline NEEDED to be worse, then both Nightmare Moon and Discord...
Bootstrap paradoxes like this are interesting. This displays how it's possible to explain some becoming loops that don't have to start as loops. Others are seemingly impossible to ever be able to begin, so there's no entry for the loop. Examine a loop in the Harry Potter universe, where Harry saves his past self's life. I've not been able to come up with any possible way for that loop to "begin" from not being there in a persistent manner. Lovely to see this reviewed, to help my inspiration for a fanfic that begins with this timeloop.
This was so great! Not ony explained MLP timetravel episode, but also DW TARDIS paradox scene!!!! I love both of those shows! Do you also analyze DW similarly as you do with MLP?
Wholehearted agreement, except for one thing. Twilight did so much disaster proofing, we can have no way of knowing what happened in the original timeline. While it's possible the first Twilight to time jump only had the suit and cut, it's equally likely she was the future Twilight we know, or worse. There are multiple ways Twilight could've gotten those other injuries. The first Twilight to time jump could've had a gaping hole under the eyepatch instead of a blinded eye. We could've seen the first Twilight to jump at the beginning of the episode, or we could be well into the time loop, there's no way of knowing.
after I watched that episode I thought about the paradox, n it really bothered me. future twilight K N E W that past future her worried herself with the time travel. if she thought about it she would have realized going back made things worse, or she could have shut past twilight up to actually tell her not to worry. ,,but if going off your past disaster theory it would start the whole loop again intresting stuff to think about lol
note : I kept losing my thought track in-between writing this, I kept getting sucked into the video lol. sorry if parts of this dont make sense
I like your explanation because it takes the Bootstrap Paradox and explains it, removing the paradox element using an image of... shoelaces (it's a shame that shoelaces aren't the same as bootstraps because that would've made it the perfect image. But it's a related image, so it at least can work with the theme).
However, explaining Doctor Who's Bootstrap Paradox with that episode doesn't follow with Twilight's Bootstrap Paradox. In Twilight's case, by... shoelacing the Bootstrap Paradox, it doesn't fix the paradox problem, it just replaces one paradox with another. It turns the Bootstrap Paradox into the Grandfather Paradox. If there was a catastrophe that Twilight went back in time to prevent, preventing that catastrophe prevents that version of Twilight from existing to go back in time to warn herself of the catastrophe. However, if we go with the Alternate Timeline theory of time travel, it takes what was a Bootstrap Paradox and turns it into an Infinite Regress, which is not a paradox (or at least it isn't if you understand the nature of infinity).
My Infinite Regress explanation uses the same principle as your explanation. The only difference is that an Infinite Regress doesn't have a starting point.
And here's a little fun thought. Each time a new part of that infinite regress is made, it accounts for new fanfic (assuming it takes place after that episode, it doesn't change any physics or lore of the world, and isn't an AU story.
I think when Cerberus broke out twilight got worried and then got her eyepatch, scar,mane and the bandage and that led her to time travel which caused the loop
3:32 I don’t actually agree the doctor is a time lord and is extremely intelligent and is able to know things without process of elimination as seen during during the episode where river song wanted to kill hitler but the doctor didn’t want to because even before killing hitler he knew the possible effects of that action
i know how it started twightlight must have done something we don't see in the show she must been so embarrassed she time traveled to warn herself but probably made a chain of event witch made a gap in time line bending it to a circle and anthorer line was made called trapper forever in a dum circle.
I have always been wondering about this and you just explained it you are the best. I like dr.wolf and all but he does not pose questions and give answers about g4 anymore.
I feel like the original question is... How do this paradox begin? Like what lead the first twilight to pass through all that and time travel to warm pass twilight, starting those same events over and over again
Imagine expecting a lesser experienced self becoming just as experienced just because you shared your vast experience.
No.
They have to go through the same experience you did in order to get it. Otherwise it goes over their head.
I reasoned this a long time ago; if I was to time travel and warn my past self about a mistake that I shouldn't repeat...my past self wouldn't get it and just continue on with making the mistake.
Interestingly enough, it's not quite the same with children when we teach them our experience while guiding them with advice.
What if the initial disaster that Twilight went back in time for was somehow related to Tirek? Since the events with Cerberus would supposedly happen no matter what.
God dammit! I have watched both the Doctor Who episode and the MLP episode and I never made the connection between the two. Especially when I too asked the question "Wait where did the information originally come from if it's an inescapable time loop? Where's the original 'entrance'?" on both occasions. I also bet the writers didn't mean to intentionally create Bootstrap Paradox with this episode. It just happened. Also, as a side note, time travel is truly impossible to understand no matter what media you use even when it's solved.
6:48 That would mean if Future Twi was able to prevent past Twi from time travelling the disaster would happen again, and Twilight would be stuck forever
I always thought this was common sence! Jt will take multiple tries for finding something out right. But those alternate timelines are far away and we can't see them. Lol. Or maybe I watch too many time travel paradoxes and explanations-
So The loop for saw tooth goes like this so originally he had to figure this out all on his own and he feared that his past self might not know The lesson about the never ending loop he needs to know so he goes to the library and find the time travel spell then he tells the past sawtooth to go back in time as well and that’s how I think it happened
Speaking of Time Travel, maybe you can do a Butterfly Effect video based on the season 5/6 finale (can't remember which one) where Sunset Shimmer goes back in time to stop the Sonic Rainboom. Honestly, the implications of that episode(s) is one a lot of people don't really think about much anymore. (unless you already talked about it in which case I'm just being stupid again, as per usual)
If this is the case I wonder what that means for the Doctor Who season finale where the Doctor is locked in the Pandora's Box and has to save the Universe from imploding on itself by getting a young Amy Pond to open the box. I won't give spoilers but I will say this, there are bootstrap paradoxes EVERYWHERE in that episode. I wonder how many alternative universes that took to get one consistent loop upon loop upon loop within loops of information.
I had a theory about the unicorns glow from the horn!. So each unicorn have a specific glow when they use their magic right. So that would mean they would be able to identify the unicorns in a way, so why didnt anyone realize that queen chrysalis was actually cadance? Their horns (& objects) glow differently but no one realised? Maybe the ponies cant actually see the other unicorns horn glowing, maybe no pony can, or only that unicorn using the magic can see it. Because if u could see the glow then queen chrysalis would of been defeated and cadance would of been fount then the entire "changling breaking the shield" or shining armour getting week wouldn't of happened. But thats just my theory. If anyone sees this u can gladly share but dont say it was ur theory when clearly it wasnt :)
MAN THIS IS AWESOME! I just thought that it was a completely random thing that could happen anytime anywhere somehow, but this? Damn! (I was waiting for your video 3 hours prior when I remembered what day it is :DDD)
Eh, I kind of like my own idea better: Trixie accidentally sends Starlight Glimmer to this time and hearing Twilight's recollection disguised herself to prevent a Paradox.
I think we just kinda think of time in too linear a fashion. In real life time gets distorted all the time. Gravity distorts time in the same way it distorts space. More to the point though, I'm far from an expert but (I hear) quantum mechanics also don't always follow our "A causes B causes C" concept of time. In quantum mechanics you can get a scenario where A caused B and B caused A with no clear first cause. Funky things are bound to happen when you poke holes in time like this for time travel, where pairs of events can cause each other with no clear first cause.
Basically, our normal intuitions just aren't built to handle situations like this, since we evolved to live in an "A causes B causes C" world
Or it's the ontological Paradox, where a peace of information doesn't have a meaning, it exist soly for it's own existence. Or the Pridestination Paradox, where going back in time to stop a specific events is what causes the event to happen in the first place. Or it's a Temporal Causalty Loop, where event a causes event b which causes event c what in return causes even a again. There are a lot Paradox stuff that can explains it better. And I think some of them make some more sense than your explonantion.
Ft Puppet Master2021-07-11 15:31:44 (edited 2021-07-11 15:35:39 )
Heres two theorys on what the disaster could've been: 1: Maybe the disaster was grogar returning but since future twilight messed with time travel to go to the past and the past twilight getting too curious about future twilight, future twilight caused something to happen in the past that caused grogar to stay banished in the stars. 2:Or maybe the disaster is grogar did return and there is a big war against twilight and her friends and grogar and eventually grogar meets the other villains like chrysalis, the half pony/goat guy who steals the pony's magic( I forgot his name), and cozy glow, and maybe discord(who knows maybe grogar had heard about discord and was searching to meet him but maybe by the time he finds discord, discord would be reformed)
I have an alternative suggestion on how the paradox might have started.
In the timeline we are shown twilight spends her week trying to prevent a disaster from happening but in the original timeline without future twilight she would have done something else in that time. Let's say she went to a party of pink pies and pinky accidently put cake batter into her confetti cannon resulting in an explosion of cake batter. This is just one example but it could be anything that twilight could describe as a "disaster" (you'll see why later).
Also in that week she might have been sending and receiving scrolls with princess celestia resulting in her finding out there are time spells in the canterlot archives. Naturally twilight would go there to look at the spells and her love of studying magic would urge her to try out the time spell. (We see in the episode "magical mystery cure" that it is like twilight to cast a spell just for the sake of research)
When twilight arrives in the past, peat twilight has lots of questions "OMG how did i figure out time travel? Does it hurt? Whats the future like?". Twilight tells past twilight about the week yet to come mentioning pinkie's party where "there was an explosion of cake batter, it was a disaster". Past twilight, in her over-excited state isn't really listening and future twilight gets sucked back into the future. Past twilight's reaction: "oh no, where'd she go! Did she say something about a disaster!"
The rest plays out quite like how Sawtooth explained with twilight unknowingly accumulating the signs of future twilight while trying to prevent a disaster. Although it could have taken a few more times of twilight just going back and telling about her week, each twilight exaggerating pinkie's "disaster" party, becoming more like a game of time travel Chinese whispers. Ether way it leads to the paradox we know.
This seems apt since low water stores and cracking dams and bridges etc don't seem to me like they would cause a disaster big enough to coaxe twilight to travel back in time if left unfixed like Sawtooth suggested. They are both good theories, this is just another way the paradox could have been made without a disaster actually happening.
Considering that the episode involves Cerberus, perhaps the grand disaster involved it’s inhabitants? Maybe even Tirek? What if Cerberus wasn’t brought back in time, so Tirek managed to steal magic perhaps from the other creatures there? If so, he could start causing problems immediately, prompting twilight to go back?
Considering that the episode involves Cerberus, perhaps the grand disaster involved it’s inhabitants? Maybe even Tirek? What if Cerberus wasn’t brought back in time, so Tirek managed to steal magic perhaps from the other creatures there? If so, he could start causing problems immediately, prompting twilight to go back?
Funny you should bring up Doctor Who! Twelve explained events that cause themselves are called "Bootstrap Paradoxes." Trying to prevent the future is what locks it in place and makes it inevitable.
The same type of loop happens in ocarina of time, where young link meets guru guru in the windmill, but later meets him in the adult timeline, where he learns the song of storms from guru guru, which means link has to go back to play the song of storms in front of guru guru, which means, link taught the song of storms to guru guru, which is basically a repeating time loop, it’s wibbly wobbly timey wimey stuff.
Actually I'm interesting in the portal on island in 'Summer Breakdown'.Do you have any idea about that.I assume the Storm King magic and the magic that make venus trap alive came from that portal.In 'Rainbow Rock' Twilight mention Star Swirl used to banished the three sirens to the human world.Is it possibily the portal that Star Swirl banished the three sirens.That portal is hidden under quick sand. If Star Swirl didn't open then who?
The thing you have to realize about the Bootstrap Paradox is that it isn't. The universe is under no obligation to conform to our limited linear expectations, and so (assuming time travel is possible) it almost certainly doesn't. The universe doesn't care what we mistakenly think is or isn't possible.
Of course, in a fictional world the rules of time travel can be whatever the writers want them to be, so time travel could exhibit iterative convergence to a stable loop like you described. One could even argue that such a theory is the best way to reconcile Twilight's time loop in season 2 with her encounter with alternate timelines in season 5 (though I'm personally on the fence about that). Still, there doesn't have to be a secret origin. According to our current understanding of how time travel should work in the real world, time loops would simply be as they are because they are, without any means to trace everything to a source outside of the loop, because to be otherwise would be a paradox. A time loop with an origin would mean the future is changing its own past and thus itself, and that's not allowed. In other words, what we're actually dealing with is the Bootstrap Unparadox, in that it must happen in order to avoid a paradox.
It also the time crash when the fifth doctor saw the tenth doctor dose something because he remembered what his future self did. You can also compare it with a self fulfilling prophecy where as you know the future you find anyway to change it resulting in that prophecy to accrue.
heres a question, can you do another video about the everfree forest because last time we didnt know that starswirl and the pillars kept it under control,and there are so many new info that we can possibly connect to know the origin of this forest
I mean, returning Cerberus didn't stop the disaster of Tirek returning while it was gone. Grant the big issue didn't happen the next Tuesday morning, but still. Now that I think about it, why didn't the guards or whoever do anything about him escaping after finding out he did?
I HAVE AN IDEA FOR THE DISASTER. because sawtooth said that the cerberus event would have already happened then it could have been possible that a terrible moster other than tirek could have gotten out and cause a terrible crisis
hey have you ever noticed that sombra has strange similarities to kirin? the curved horn, connection to blueish flames and negative emotions. and what looks like it could either be his helmet or a part of him has those scale like plates on his face, and they mysteriously vanish in season 9 after the kirin were introduced almost like the writers were aware and tried to cover up that detail. maybe king sombra has kirin ancestry in there.
Actually there was a disaster in this episode regardless of if she worried or casted that spell or not. The real disaster is that when Cerberus left tartarus Tirek escaped tartarus.
This explanation, while perfectly valid, necessitates the existence of alternate timelines in order to work. And granted, we know alternate timelines can be a thing in the MLP world because Starlight Glimmer would later produce several a few seasons later. But the thing about alternate timelines is that it's really less time travel and more just someone jumping between differing universes in such a way that it gives the illusion of time travel. For a truer form of time travel, there's really only ever the one timeline involved, where all events of a timeline are already "written" and accounted for, including all acts of time travel. Thus, a time traveler goes back to the past because history dictates they've already done so and must do so now in order to prevent the inevitable paradox that would ensue if they didn't, because that's the state the universe would be naturally inclined to favor.
So even though that means the mere act of time travel is in of itself a bit of a paradox and that you still have to allow for certain paradoxes sometimes like "It's About Time's" bootstrap paradox in order to explain it all, I'm kinda more inclined to still favor that explanation, because to me that's the better example of a classic time travel story.
Plus, "It's About Time" just presents such a well-written example of the bootstrap paradox that I admittedly do kinda wanna go "aw man, don't go ruining the bootstrap paradox like that! That was brilliantly written on the crew's part!" and thus do SOMETHING to justify its existence as-is. :P
Another example of the bootstrap paradox in Doctor Who is the short special Time Crash 2007 in which the 10th doctor meets the 5th doctor, which ends up with an information loop that saves their lives.
Have you considered making non-mlp related videos in the future? It's not that I don't like the content right now, it's great, but it would be cool if this channel had more variety
Imo, first twilight just wantet to try this spell, and she appeard near twilight from this timeline. She was looking normal but It was enough to be scary for our twilight number two. She started this mess, thinking there's a threat, and when she found out there is no danger she wanted to tell Twilight that she don't have to worry and this is the story from this epizode. There was never anything dangerous, she just found a new spell and It went wrong.
I agree with this and we never did get to see the Ogrinal Timelline the one where it happend but a Simlar idea is that the Future has already happend Twilight was Always going to go back in time No Matter what as thats how the World might work she found out about the spell becaues her past self told her about it and thats also how she found out about so either this one big loop that always happend no matter what becaues of how the world works or there really was an Og timeline we never got to see
I think future sawtooth might be right, aldo I also think that there is another possibility. I think someone else wrote something similar in the comments, and I agree with them, they wrote it before me so it's their opinion and this is just my take on it. I think current Twilight, the ruler of Equestria, went back in time to tell her past self not to worry about every little thing, she told her that she'd become ruler of Equestria one day and that everything will always be fine with her friends by her side. After that past Twilight freaks out and starts worrying that she isn't up to the task. Alicorn Twilight was worried about it at the beginning of season 9 so it's no stretch to imagine that unicorn Twilight would worry even more. Because of her worries Twilight decides to disaster-proof Equestria in order to prepare for taking over as the ruler even though that wouldn't happen any time soon. After thinking that she still hasn't done enough and is still not ready, Twilight tries to stop time, but after Spike and Pinkie convince her to stop worrying she travels to the past to tell her past self not to worry but her past self is to excited and she doesn't have time to tell her. That causes past Twilight to freak out and then the loop starts. That's my take on it, and again I say I think someone wrote something similar in the comments and I agree with them.
Nice. Addition: The moment Twilight told Pinkie Pie about these worries/future Twilight - Pinkie gives Celestia a heads up -- leading to the guard opening the door for Twilight! Oh and how does this flood/broken bridge/Doggie-run effect the OTHER timelines caused by Starlight's spell? After all, without Twilight in Celestia's school, friends and defeating Nightmare Moon, would she have done that?
River Reality2021-07-11 05:46:09 (edited 2021-07-11 05:47:37 )
Hi I'm river! I have a theory that's been in my head ever since I realized gusty the great was also a major part of the g1 series of mlp, so like what if every generation the story gets more recent? Like g1 series explains all- well most of what happened in the past plus the other 2 gens but mostly gen1, this theory was also more proven cause of gen 5, it was literally a representation of how the world will be in the future. Idk just a thought for a new video maybe?:)
It’s because luna was banished to the moon long before the mane six were even born so there is no way starlight preventing the rain boom would have made Luna realize she could dream walk or whatever it’s called. (if you have seen the day breaker video sawtooth made this will make loads of sense)
LoZ: Ocarina of time has something similar Adult-Link learns the Song of Storm from Guru-Guru then goes back in time and and Young-Link teaches Guru-Guru the song.
Does one need a start? I mean, if we assume that the loop has always been there and there is no need for start? In my opinion there are 2 types of time traveling. Perfect and imPerfect loop.
I get key from future self and open a door and hand the key to pas self -> The key will brake from use and the loop is imPerfect I get key from fuutre self and open a door and take a key from the table and hand it to my past self -> I keep the future key so there is no braking parts in the loop making it perfect loop.
The imPerfect loop will open up with X time while Perfect loop will go on for ever.
The start can be as simple as me having ability to come to past and my future self coming past to tell me the information and to make it perfect loop I use it to go past and tell my self how I optain the time traveling -> I'm not allowed to Give my past self the time traveling machine as then it becomes item in a loop which will brake and causes imperfect loop ....
basicaly how I imagine it was, is why I never understood why people seem to have issue with this loop, maybe initiating time travel was just tes of spell she randomly found, who knows what she would do if she wasnt on her safety-quest, maybe she would go study and randomly find this, and over several instances of time traveling back, it settles on this loop, most likely we will never know what initiated this time travel loop but surely there isnt anything imposible on this (if considering time travel is possible)
Wow you blow my mind that was amazing but idk if this can work in a loop situations I mean look at the shoe Rick and Morty there are supposedly infinite timelines mabey our time line is the time line where they fixed the problem and there were countless other time lines that got it wrong and ceased to exist but idk just a thought
The loop having an entry point is possible, but not the only way it can work. In my opinion, we only think the loop is impossible because we experience time linearly and we don't understand how it can be non-linear. It is difficult to wrap our brain around the concept, but maybe causality just works differently than we though, and time-loops can happen just randomly.
Sawtooth has made a video about Shining Armour potentially being the first stallicorn in equestria (since all alicorns are female). That was a while back though.
i briefly covered it in the stallicorn video, but basically i think it's just a statistical fluke. flip a coin five times and you just might get the same result.
This is completely unrelated to the video but could you do a theory on Alicorn magic?
In the first episode of S3, the crystal empire, celestial used an example of king sombras dark magic. Then S4, Zecora told twilight to use Alicorn magic and she did but it was the same type of magic sombra/celestia used
Another timeloop The Doctor encounters is between season 3 and 4 in the short Time Crash, when 10 meets Peter Davidson's 5th and David Tennant's 10th stops their fused TARDIS from exploding by doing something 10 only knew would work because he had watched 10 do it when he was 5 himself.
Did you know Cerberus is pronounced "KER ber us"? This is because in Greek the letter "C" is never pronounced as an "S". As a matter of fact, the Romans spelled the name "Kerberos".
Just like how "Icarus" (spelled "Ikaros" in Roman) is pronounced "ICK er us".
this makes me think that maybe cerberus has the cause of the posible bad timeline, cerberus is the only thing that doesnt change so to think that it may cause a desaster because the town has in bad shape and the only rason that future twilight prevented that is that past twilight got over her head with the vague warning meant and just fix everything in ponyvile, so the desaster has avoided
But, wait, if twilight is stuck in a time loop, then how could the series even possibly continue after that point, if future twilight always goes back, unless if the loop was somehow broken
The FUTURE sawtooth stays, not the past one. That means that each future self goes back to replace the past one, unless they go back to normal off camera. But if they did replace themselves, then the sawtooth from the first timeline is gone.
Theory: The dam break and flooded all of ponyville and twilight is the only one who survive. And Celestia introduce her into the the time traveling spell that was in The Starswirl wing and the rest happen.
What if the disaster was Cerberus getting out releasing terek early and destroying all pony life much sooner then planned in the show and as a last resort twilight jumped back in time to warn herself of what was to come, but because of twilight over eagerness to know everything it caused her to worry and in doing so it caused the loop we all know now
It's funny how you mentioned the bootstrap paradox and then used examples from doctor who because the 12th doctor spoke about the bootstrap paradox using and example to do with beatovens music
What if its an even bigger loop and what happens is that twilight realizes that her going back to warn herselg causes her to go back and such so she doesnt go but then the catastrophe happens which resets the loop all the way back to tue beggining
Finally we have been waiting for 3 weeks but we knew that you going to be late, but where is your evil clone that wants revenge for you forgetting about him
okay but wait a minute.. when celestia defeated nightmare moon she used the elements right, how did she have SIX elements with twilight's cutie mark on it? in the episode where the mane six go to the elements of harmony to defeat nightmare moon twilight said "when the spark is presented, it will cause the sixth element to appear" then how did celestia had the sixth element before them? (cmiiw!)
This is assuming a multi-dimensional quantum convergent timeline. A strictly 1D timeline cannot do this because it would overwrite each time, so it CAN'T change in the manner shown. Then a bootstrap paradox is resolved by time being utterly deterministic. What happens always happens.
At the time that was the general theory. However, the S5 finale showed Equestria does not operate on an eternalist model.
The term 'quantum convergent timelines', incidentally, is taken from the anime "In Search of Lost Time". Itself named after a French novel but they aren't really related. The multi-dimensional I added since it requires a 'personal' timeline to work, which since it isn't being over-written must be distinct from, though generally collinear with, the worldline. See further PsiStarPsi's work (https://www.deviantart.com/alantarx/art/Brony-Journal-Issue-1-755009800) demonstrating the S5 finale requires at least 3 dimensions to visualize, though it can still work in 2 (since we can arrive at the original timeline without crossing every one in-between, we require 3 dimensions to show it, but with some clever geometry we can make the time continuum itself a 2D manifold embedded in 3-space).
My thing is HOW did sun and moon rised and set when cozy glow was holding all the magic under the school of friendship. Keep in mind celestia and luna were both didn't had their magic (and got back we can clearly see it) and artifacts and stuff stoped working so does other creatures magic so HOW the hell did sun and moon worked
but wait, why was past twilight asking all these questions like "where did you come from" etc, if the future twilight wasn't speaking yet? Future twilight had just got there and original twilight didn't have future twilight to ask those questions to.
Once you think you know something of a paradox your thoughts are turned upside down this is why we don’t need time machines though I will make an exception for the doctor
Can you do more on Daybreaker/Nightmare Noon lol. Like how she was able to overpower her sister only momentarily? I'm confused please help! Also what would happen if Daybreaker and Grogar fought who would win?
I am not even sure a disaster did happen to start the chain it could be something like: Twilight feels like something is going to go wrong so she starts panicking, Her friends do what they think will help Twilight and she eventuallu calms at the end. Twilight being Twilight feels like she wasted a week goes looking for the Time Travel Spell but when Future Twilight keeps getting cut off my Twilight, she has to pivot and clarify which makes Twilight cut Future Twilight off more which starts the Loop.
Considering Twilight out Twilight her future self, i can see her accidently getting worried over "Dont Worry"
If the past twilight in the first situation did worry and did solve everything does that mean the first twilight to start the loop is out of trouble and the danger is no more?
Omg what a coincidence I was literally thinking about this for a week Edit:omg thank you so much for 15 likes it only the highest number I’ve ever gotten is 4 Edit again after an hour:23…..I think this is the best Friday night ever! Edit again:I-………….I have nothing to say WITH 25 LIKES!? Edit again:I keep coming back here and every time I get more likes! Omg I’m gonna scream
Remember your tree of harmany-discord as yin yang theory one thing is still missing there are spirits of both chaos and harmony but no tree of chaos. Also if starswirl/grogar created discord, from that time he was training himself and his chaos magic and see how expert he was in chaos magic in s2 and 4. And frogs could have created one to make tyranny and one chaos and it still matches ep discordant harmony and grogar may have created only one chaos creature and that was dicord
@Sawtooth Waves I have a theory, has anything gotta do with the Other Worlds..For insatnce Sunset shimmer... in the episode..Sunset used World traveling...But theres nothing that proves she didnot go BACK in time OR IN THE future fir the pony world!...I feel the Poratl might be Something like that but It changes worlds eith the time..! Welp it was something i figured so thought id share!! Hope it gives u some lesd if u understsnd LOl
had to find this video again. I've just realized something. how does the DJ pony's headphones work and where did they come from? obviously equestria doesn't have technology like phones and computers but she's always listening to something and they are completely digital. I know there is a pony named Doctor Hooves (a reference to doctor who) could he have possibly brought her from the future. or if not how did she acquire such headphones that don't seem to have a source. and to add to this no pony else in ponyvill who even sees her questions them either..
I would say headphones are a thing in equestria. Different from cellphones and computers that would be hard to a pony manage unless that they are unicorns. headphones can easily be worn. Also i belive alot of functions of a cellphone and computer are resolved with easy magic or the ability to fly so theres no reason to have them. But im pretty sure thay old phones are a thing in Equestria.
I know I'm late saying this. But your video reminds me of a fantastic that had a similar event. I can't remember the name. But it revolves around twilight's mysterious death.
When you’ve watched the game theory episode on time travel in kingdom hearts and you probably know how it’s going to be explained before you watch this video and both franchises have friendship and magic but one is owned by Disney. I haven’t watch the video yet that is just my prediction. If it isn’t that’s on me for writing this before I watch it.
Ok he used dr who logic so I’m not sure if it works the same to every time traveler that tells there past self something this is going to drive me crazy time travel is weird.
Ok he used dr who logic so I’m not sure if it works the same to every time traveler that tells there past self something this is going to drive me crazy time travel is weird.
The last timeline when starlight was evil and time traveling we didn’t think much of it but what if that was caused by all of the villains. For example, Sunset, or nightmare moon
Lemme posit another thing-- The Decaying Timeloop.
Alright An episode of Milo Murphy, one of his friends throws a peach at their past selves to save them from an on-coming threat. His friend's past self picks up the same Peach, which will be used in their future, and perpetuate the same paradox. The gag comes in when two of Milo's friends debate on where the hell this peach came from.
However This posits the idea of the Decaying Paradox loop. The important bit isn't that the Peach was there, its that its a Peach. A biological organic thing that, as far as we can tell, will eventually rot over the course of these loops. Eventually culminating into possible dust and decay of its core. Meaning that, eventually, the Threat will catch up to the Crew in a future timeline.
If the loop has an underlying start, as you were theorizing, then there is an underlying end (Because the only thing that is endless in spacetime as we know it, is Space itself). As you said, Twilight's Appearance escalated as the loop perpetuated, but because there was change to the paradox as it grew older, that means there will be a point where the paradox stops entirely or changes so much that the original intent is lost.
Whether this means that the loop starts all over again, cos the threat pops up, is up for debate. ... like where the hell the damn peach came from.
Omg I was questioning the same thing then I thought of Cerberus and that maybe she was trying to warn herself about tirek escaping because of Cerberus leaving the gate for a bit
Nah dawg this is impossible. Everything that will happen has already happened in another you's universe, and everything that happened before will happen in another you's future. Changing the past or changing the future is completely impossible.
“Y'all remember the episode where future twilight went back in time to warn her past self not to worry which caused her to worry in the first place?Which resulted in her going back in time and warning herself not to worry which caused her to worry in the first place?Which resulted in her going back in time and warning herself not to worry which caused her to worry in the first place?Which resulted in her going back in time and warning herself not to worry which caused her to worry in the first place?Which resulted in her going back in time and warning herself not to worry which caused her to worry in the first place?Which resulted in her going back in time and warning herself not to worry which caused her to worry in the first place?Which resulted in her going back in time and warning herself not to worry which caused her to worry in the first place?Which resulted in her going back in time and warning herself not to worry which caused her to worry in the first place?Which resulted in her going back in time and warning herself not to worry which caused her to worry in the first place?Which resulted in her going back in time and warning herself not to worry which caused her to worry in the first place?Which resulted in her going back in time and warning herself not to worry which caused her to worry in the first place?Which resulted in her going back in time and warning herself not to worry which caused her to worry in the first place?Which resulted in her going back in time and warning herself not to worry which caused her to worry in the first place?Which resulted in her going back in time and warning herself not to worry which caused her to worry in the first place?Which resulted in her going back in time and warning herself not to worry which caused her to worry in the first place?Which resulted in her going back in time and warning herself not to worry which caused her to worry in the first place?Which resulted in her going back in time and warning herself not to worry which caused her to worry in the first place?Which resulted in her going back in time and warning herself not to worry which caused her to worry in the first place?Which resulted in her going back in time and warning herself not to worry which caused her to worry in the first place?Which resulted in her going back in time and warning herself not to worry which caused her to worry in the first place?Which resulted in her going back in time and warning herself not to worry which caused her to worry in the first place?Which resulted in her going back in time and warning herself not to worry which caused her to worry in the first place?Which resulted in her going back in time and warning herself not to worry which caused her to worry in the first place?Which resulted in her going back in time and warning herself not to worry which caused her to worry in the first place?Which resulted in her going back in time and warning herself not to worry which caused her to worry in the first place?Which resulted in her going back in time and warning herself not to worry which caused her to worry in the first place?Which resulted in her going back in time and warning herself not to worry which caused her to worry in the first place? Just.make.it.stop.
At least it is a continuous loop that doesn't change the timeline. Hate it when shows or movies just make a thousand alternate timelines without doing anything about it
I have a theory. Since Twilight Sparkle rules Canterlot, who will rule the Castle of Friendship? The only thing I know is that it could probably be Luster Dawn after she makes friends.
Please do a video about the timber wolves!! I have a theory if you’d like to use it. Basically in the episode “spike at your service “ spike gets saved by applejack which spike feels like he has to repay him for life. At the end of the episode spike and applejack get attacked by timber wolves. The way the wolves reconstruct themselves looks like it was ancient magic or some type of sour Rey as if some pony created them for a reason. Maybe the former queen of the changlings, or princess clelestia and princess Luna to protect the tree. Idk just some theory 😅 hope you see this comment!!
Did Tirek escaped Tartarus during this episode ? Because Cerberus wasn't there so it would be a perfect opportunity. Also if he escaped then when was he all the time until the end of season 4?
The problem is she was only rly worried she hadn’t stopped the disaster because she noticed the signs of becoming future twilight, but like you said those signs wouldn’t have been there with your theory so it probably wouldn’t have started the loop.
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Dia Menon2021-07-09 16:03:44 (edited 2021-07-09 16:04:03 )
Yes finally early I haven’t watched the video yet but I know it’s gonna be great Edit: 1 like yes oh it me itself
Ok so 3 ways this could have not happend 1 she could have used a spell on her past spell to get her to stop talking sinc she knew it was going to happen 2 she could have not told her past self as to not cause the worry in the first place 3 or she could pull a snails and “ not worry about it”
wAIT HANG ON IS THAT THE NON-BINARY FLAG IN THE BACKGROUND OF YOUR PROFILE Edit: WAIT WAS THIS COMMON KNOWLEDGE HOW DID I MISS THIS HOLY SHIZZ NON-BINARY UNITEEEEE
Hahaha it makes sense that people take some time to notice. It was very casual. They didn't make a video announcing it or anything. They just changed their profile picture and waited for people to notice. I can respect that nonchalant method. I kinda did it myself when I came out.
@SMG Productions i did the exact opposite lol. I was so scared of people’s reactions that i just woke up one day and pretended it was common knowledge. In hindsight not the greatest strategy but its over and done with now
@Gamovie Studios I feel you, bro/sis/sib. Coming out of the closet is very difficult, even if you know people will accept you! You might feel nervous or awkward or not know how to. I didn't know how to tell my family so I kinda just... Posted it on my Instagram story and waited for them to see it. I felt like I was chickening out but in retrospective it was funny.
Please find more versions of yourself because every time I see you talking to myself it means I’m not the only one who dose it and I’m not mad Have a nice day
The answer is simple think time not happen in a sequence but simultaneously meaning the going “back” in time is just you not existing in one portion of time but rather the other the going back hence everything has will and is happening from a perspective out side of time
Not sure if this relevant, but I just noticed. When Celestia and Luna loose their magic, their flowing manes stopped flowing. Nut, when they got their magic back, their mains started waving again. Maybe their manes are some what magical?
I have a fair question this isn't from MLP but it's from another TV show Milo Murphy's law which also deals with time travel in one of the episodes one of the characters gets hit on the head with a peach another one of the characters then picks us up and puts it in his pocket after a few laps through different time periods they eventually end up at their first point and see their past selves something that their pastels did cause the character who got hit on the head with the peach to grab the peach from the one who picked it up and Chuck it in their direction which then in turns ends up hitting his past self in the head and the other character picks it up again so where exactly did the peach come from in the first place?
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Emma Rossland2021-07-09 16:04:02 (edited 2021-07-09 16:04:13 )
Hi sawtooth I was thinking can you do a video on one of these things 1:reforming sombra/cobalt 2:what would sombra/cobalt look like with the real brogans magic
Here is how I would solve it if I was future twilight. Future twilight: (trying to explain what not to do) past twilight: (not letting me speak) Future Twi: YO SHUT UP AND LISTEN
everyone talks about how its a loop when you cannot be for certain that its a loop. every time it happens some differences will be done and it may change
Or, or, and here me out here what if the future twilight was trying to warn the past twilight about Tirek? Tirek escaped when the big dog did, atleast thats Celestias theory, so the real warning message never got along. I mean, whats more serious than someone draining all of equastrias magic right?
Wait when Luna came back from being nightmare moon she didn’t have wavy hair but how does that change? If Luna was from the alicorns civilisation and earned her wings then had her flowy hair why did it change. Nightmare moons hair was flowy why did it change to straight like twilight and cadences hair when they where equestrian pony’s and turned into alicorns?
plus if the disaster was big than how did twilight know the star swirl archives to bigein with and future twilight was telling past twilight to not worry so just how big was the disaster ? so the real disaster could be twilight worrying and getting the eye patch,scar,mane and bandage,so twilight travelled back in time to tell past twilight to not to worry I mean twilight said "what ever you do don't " this is where she stopped but at the end of the episode past twilight who had become future twilight told the same message except we heard the same but full message this time was "what ever you do don't worry" before "worry" future twilight came back to the present so the real disaster could be anything. So tell me what you think
I legit got scared when you didn’t post last week (I HAD A DREAM THAT YOU DIED NO CAP) but OMG you’re back like ITS ABOUT TIME IM SO MAD— nonoonnoono making videos is hard I shouldn’t be mad but LIKE Ugh jJiiIouffdjsidjf IM SO GLAD YOURE BACK
Hm ... your theory does work for Doctor Who, but it does not really work for MLP. For two reasons: First: In the Doctor Who short, future Doctor arrives, present Doctor goes to the past, we are left with one Doctor. That's fine. But in MLP, future Twilight shows up and vanishes and later present Twilight goes back in time and comes back. So, if this is a loop, but there is also a previous iteration of the timeline, shouldn't there be two future twilights in the beginning of the episode, one from this timeline and one from the previous one? Unless, of course, there isn't a loop and our Twilight has just caused yet another new timeline. However: Second: The TARDIS can change the past. Starswirl's time travel spell can not, only Starlight Glimmer's modified version can. So, there are no previous iterations, it is one loop. Which leaves the question where the information about the spell came from. After all, the spell really is there, so this is outside information that can't have just originated in the loop. And I think the easiest answer is: It comes from Twilight's subconscious. She already knew about it, she just had forgotten.
Plot twist: Sawtooth's time travel was a skit. That spell teleported them back to the Changeling hive where another Changeling pretending to be their "future self" came from
In my dream I was confused when optimal optimus showed up from transformers beast wars and then it happened again until a explosion happened and ow and yes I got cort in the explosion and found out that the event was obcerd the event was that it was a break out of all the villain and they did a massive amount of damage and Tyrix was at full power
Wait so did the distaster still happen since she couldn't time travel through her own previously established timeline since the past had happened so she might of prevented the disaster from happening from other time lines but not in her own so sadly in that timeline Equestria may be in ruins 😱😔😔😔 Unless the timeline she was originally in had a visit from an alternate timeline twilight she 🤔🤔🤔
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Света Пономарева2021-07-10 17:06:21 (edited 2021-07-10 17:11:11 )
The final of the first season of "Murphy's law". The battle against pistachios. Why a peach? Where did it come from? Try to figure this own, strange unicorn
Maybe do a video on the secret society that super agent sweety drops i wonder if there is more pony’s and or evidence I will be looking as well just a fun video idea thanks for reading luv ur vids
What if in the video of when starlight glimmer made all of the timelines, what if the one that twilight sparkle showed starlight glimmer, might have been the first timeline where twilight sparkle went to tell her past self, which told her past self, so on and so forth.
This episode was confusing because past twilight had nothing to worry about in the first place, so twilight didn’t have to go into the past in the first place but then it loops around again because twilight had to warn the other twilight that future twilight was coming and she didn’t have to worry! WHAT AM I EVEN SAYING!?
pinky must have told the original twilight the things she have to do so that the curiosity of twilight will come and prevent every twilight from that disaster.
the bootstrap paradox doesn't apply to one loop the universe what was before it but then what before that it is infinite because time can't restart and it will never end since it is an constant ya it is impossible to end it since there is nothing before but there is one thing time so ya it is impossible for the universe it is infinite and not able to end
Sawtooth Wave by Nana something in season 5 episode 2 in the background when those Ponies were getting the Vault I noticed when the black one with white hair when you see her with her cutie mark the Pegasus person in the background the pony in the background who was also Pegasus had no Cutie Mark I know it's because of the line that was under his wing and when he was flying back to the village for the flying shot he had this to Vine
What if Twilight again time traveled and told not to time travel then what would happen (will the first timeline will be repeated when there was an actual danger?)
Is no one going to talk how princess Celestia and Luna never really had a war from outside equestria. I mean they control the sun and moon. So really they had a massive amount of leverage for them. If any one invaded, then they might be robbed, of sulight, or cooked alive, if they try to invade equestria.
Future Sawtooth: So am gonna teach them Me: Wait he goes by them pronouns? Me after looking their channel about: Oh cool never noticed. Make sense since most changelings seems to be genderless
I think that is not something that goes with try and error. I think that making the time travel in dr who gives access to knowledge they just dont remember as with twilights case how whould she know about the spell in the first place? Well, it is twilight we are talking about and not because the power of plot but how twilights character is build, build as a starswirld the bearded fan, someone who know a lot about who invented the spell so she just knew there was one. I dont recall that episode good as it was years ago when i saw it. But i always have in mind okhams razor. Even when something unlikely is possible to happen, usually the simplest answer is the right one. And just thinking both twilight and dr who had that knowledge from the get go is the easiest answer and to try and get ahead of things, they go back in time to let know their past versions about that answer and just passing unecessary information creates the loop as all the things twilight got pre fixed, could have been reported and dealt with ahead of time without twilights intervention or is what i think. I rrally havent even finished the show.
Great job with this video. And I have an idea for a new one. Make a video about the new movie: My little pony a new generation. Because the movie is coming soon and I would to see your thoughts on it.🦄❤️🎥🍿🤩🤩🤩🤩
I got something for you what if g5 something to do with the disaster.I mean in g5 the pony unicorn and pegaside separated so past Twilight could has something to do with that🤔😱
We need a g5 theory vid! If Magic is gone from equestria, and without magic pegasi can't fly and unicorns can't use magic and I'm assuming Earth ponies lost their strength ... How does the sun and moon rise and set in the future??
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Well this was a little bit wibbly wobbly timey wimey. i LovE DoCtOr wHo!
Ponies assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect, but actually from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint - it's more like a big ball of wibbly wobbly... time-y wimey... stuff.” he answered.
I know this is irrelevant Did Grogar create the pony of shadows?
Here is my theory Grogar did said that he was the “father of monsters” and he also wanted the protectors of equestria gone. His main motive was to conquer equestria. My theory ties with sawtooth’s video about Grogar releasing nightmare moon as he wants to released the pony of shadows out once more. As for Stygian, he said “The darkness welcome me when nopony would” in the episode “Shadow Play”. That darkness is the pony of shadow which i believe, is created by Grogar.
Oh my gosh. I thought you start making new video late. I didn't notice about the video few minutes ago. 😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅 nice theory though. You took forever to find out a way to solve this theory. I couldn't wait at that time. I was expecting your new vid. Nervous hehe 😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁
Why does twilight even go back in time if she didn’t would that change time or ruin it?? She knows that if she does she won’t be able to fit a Word in and past twilight would just worry so I say she doesn’t go back in time at all well I’m not the expert.
I feel like I’m watching one of sawtooth older videos they’re literally talking about an older video talking about an older episode in an older background
Honestly, this paradox is the main reason why I don’t like this episode. Even looking into your theory, I still can’t find anything else worth while in “It’s About Time”.
Kid Danger: wearing his moto pup outfit and raises a eyebrow ok, really, dude,? Pre Alcorn twlight? takes a deep breath in and let's it out PRINCESS twlight is MY friend, ok? I met her when Fluttershy asked me to go with her to the great galloping gala. look, say what you want about princess twlight, but with or without wings, I like her. She teaches me stuff like magic and the elements of harmony that her and her friends are connected to.
Hello sawtooth I watched your killed the tree and you theory of seeking element test it doesn't have to be just the mane six like you said silverstream faces a shadow of storm king maybe she being brave
What if you did a theory on how Celestia got her rainbow hair ? Cause we a lot of pictures with celestia haveing pink hair but what if when she used the eliments together instead of separat like the main 6 it change her hair Permanently.
This is probably one way parxdox scientd have three reasons for parxdox to be resolved, one is way is for the paradox to resolve itself and become a fixed point in time line or it branches of and create a new timeline, or the uinvres reskove the parxdox itself or timeline ddyrdriy the whole universe
This is a really cool video! But... whats up with those subtitles? "well, when she was past twilight future twilight told her" Subtitles: One simple test Wave Future related wOt
I know!: the doctor pulled the wrong lever and came to warn past doctor not to do that so past doctor warned future doctor who passed that on to another doctor and so on and so on
hey, um... I'm confused if starlight stop the rainboom, the mane six would never get their cutie mark right? Then my sister spotted pinkie's balloon cutie mark in the changeling universe. THAT THE RAINBOOM NEVER HAPPEND!!! (my sis want me to send you this)(sorry for my bad english)
Time travel is complecated. But here is what i Think of this there he explained. An ocoming disaster were about to happen’d. Then you travel to the past. To prevent that disaster. It help some things Then you’r past self travels to that time as you’r future self did. Reapet. Until it gets to s point to where it the disaster is no longer a thing. Which is also where the loop starts. Future you warns the present you about the danger. Then you do some stuff to prevent it. Once done. The present you travel to the past to warn you’r past the same thing the future you did. That’s the loop. Get it this far. If not Then i dont blame you
Hey sawtooth, not 2 be rude and if ur not comfortable sharing that's OK but u was wondering what are your Pronouns? I noticed what I think is the nonbinary pride flag on ur icon and wanted to make sure I wasn't misgendering u, sorry hope u don't mind my asking and I really do enjoy ur videos <3
This one is a lot shorter than the other one that was just worried about because I just figured out how did the situation that he came back in time happened so ya
Wait when Trixie did her magic trick and discord PUT A URSA MAJOR I saw cozy glow I'm dead right now because COZY GLOW was in Trixie s class OH MY GOD IM DEAD
I think the original twilight disaster. The facts we know cybarus left his post terrus, also we know th that the most dangerous creatures of equestria where put in terris. So maybe when that first Twilight got cyberus back to Tetris and/or failed to realize the creatures were gone,don't realized the creatures were gone, realized the creatures were gone went to tell Celestia and she went straight to Celestia told her but by the time everypony pitched in to get all the creature they could get back in to teris there was all ready so much devastation they had to focus on fixing the devastation in the couldn't can't continue to find other creatures (like terik)and those creatures went into hiding. Since she lived at the castle she know/heard about the starswirl la bearded wing and the rest of what was history.
I have a theory, has anything gotta do with the Other Worlds..For insatnce Sunset shimmer... in the episode..Sunset used World traveling...But theres nothing that proves she didnot go BACK in time OR IN THE future fir the pony world!...I feel the Poratl might be Something like that but It changes worlds eith the time..! Welp it was something i figured so thought id share!! Hope it gives u some lesd if u understsnd LOl
You have it wrong. Cadence is not the one supposed to be ruling over Romantic love it's Shining Armor! Cadence represents motherly love! Think about that, Sawtooth. Honestly, it would cure the whole problem of Alicorn Shining Armor. Plz mention me. Brohoof!
For me I find velvet sentry phenoxgirl serena sparkle see what I mean they say there speedpaints tell the mlp future celestia has children and married thorax well no thorax loves lord ember what is right i think after mane 6 then young 6 then luster dawn and friends we have to do six maybe luster dawn and sky cloud dragon and glide snow Griffin and yak yala and hippogriff stardust and changeling Sophia illl do a speedpaint on sketch book then after the mane 6 luster dawn then mane 6 children mlp pony's like maybe LIL chesse please I'm just guessing now mlp a new generation also makes me confused I thought mlp had no electricity or iPads or phones it's clear equestrians don't have phone mlp eg rainbow dash said this"I don't think they had phones where she comes from " and pip petals loves social media on phones solve it please I'm sunlight all games I play my username is sunlight
If this theory was true that would mean the time line that all the disasters would occur it would start a hole other time line like what starlight did by changeling the past it created a alternate universe so what happened in the universe that twilight wasn't worned in???
Ps. I hope that sawtooth sees this so I can talk to him so I can discuss how cutie Cutie Mark's where created so plz sawtooth see this. Sugar rush
So My Little Pony pulled their version of a Doctor Who episode in Pony form this could be what the 13th Doctor was look like if she was Twilight Sparkle timey wimey b***** crap I hated a lot
Wait if king sombra was a king without a princess or whatever then why did shining armour have to marry cadence?? Is it because she’s a princess? WAIT- shouldn’t Celestia have a king tho? or Luna???? 🤨🧐🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨 and why are they princess’ when they can be queens??
i hevent watch the video yet but lets talk about paradoxes (this is gonna be confusing to read ) paradox is so complicated to explain so im gonna example it, if someone is saying the truth and said "im lying" they're lying but bc they said "im lying" then they're saying the truth, but bc they said the truth they lied, ect ect
so if you go found out how to time travel and go back 30 seoonds before you found out how to time travel and said "you need to go back in time 30 seconds and said this exact thing to your past self" to your past self 95% of the time your past self probably going to do the thing that you asked them to do, but when the 5% of the past you didnt do what the past you said to do the paradox stop but then that 5% past you will found how to time travel just like you bc there no the 5% you didnt tell the 5% past you to do the exact thing you said confused yet?
Oh nooo mlp ended. But mane 5 are comin no crying 😢and no missing mlp they're comin with a new light, new generation of friends, love and care for all people. Me for mane 5: ❤🧡💛💚💙💜 give your best mane 5 .
YOOOO SAWWWWTTTTOOOOOOTH WHY DOUSE STIDGIEN LOOK LIKE HE IS RELATED TO STARSWERL, THEY HAVE THE SAME EYES, THEY BOTH WERE A SIMILAR OUTFIT AND SAME COAT COLOUR! AAAAAAAAAAAAAA
American way coming down on you is anyone going to punch the freaking time oh look it's not new Cadillac Stout oh look it's my freaking snipe yeah yeah
Miss Cinch is most weird human in Freindship Games, she tel to sci Twilight to unlash the magic in the thing , Twilight become a demon like Sunset, so Sunset reforme Twilight and Cinch in furious to Principal Celestia and Vice vice Principal Cadence join Canterlot High. So if Cinch go to the portal into the pony world she see pony Twilight , she tell to her to again unlash the magic and Twilight is now a demon but in a pony , pony Mindnight Sparkle destroy Ponyville Pony Celestia banish Pony Mindnight Sparkle into the moon like Nightmare Moon so Cinch unlash the magic in the thigh and she become a powerful demon she kill Pony Celestia and Pony Luna banish Cinch in the moon. I hear Human Chich say that " Next time will know the real magic" i have ferar in my hoves so i talk to you ,
sawtooth waves i have been thing about something. that i think you might want to hear about a my little pony ep. may i talk to you its important please?
Twilight time travel to scar ugly twilight then it cots me thing king that IS the future twilight the princess twilight from the song the magic of friendship grows is wrong that is not future twilight the scar one is the future twilight
Maybe the first 12 like from the future future future future made that mistake and want to talk to the other Jwan like that all the other toilet that told you off the toilet causing this event
Sorry if it sounds dumb, but I would like to know why Rainbow Dash and the other pony.. Thunder ? I don't remember... They have these "trails" behind them.. But why ? Is it just because it's the plot ?
hi it is Blake the one how askt if you are nonbinery and you seid yes and that gave me so much confdins because I am a 11 yer old nonbinery bi them so have a good day
@Sawtooth Waves love your theory. Also, Celestia wasn’t surprised to see Twilight tuesday morning. What if she started out the thing in the future? To learn Twilight a lession. She also had Twilight’s flashback when meeting her future selv (or takling to her past selv) in the song Celestia’s ballad.
Also I have a theory about Luna’s Black spot (seen from Yt with some of mine adds) and about the 7 elements of harmony and something about Twilight’s cutie Mark representing the stellar/solar system model they have in Canterlot.
@Sawtooth Waves cool. happy late pride month, love your videos, love the flower in your mane, bye. (also I think being nb seems perfect for a changeling)
hello! clickbait implies dishonesty, and there's nothing dishonest about the title or thumbnail here. i can understand if you find the flashy nature of my titles or thumbnails obnoxious, but that's just how i do things and i enjoy myself ^^
The best version of Twilight is Paranoid Twilight.
3161 likes'IF I Can't FInD a FRIEndshiP PROblEM, I'Ll MakE a FrIeNDSHip PrOBlEm.' - Princess Twilight Sparkle, Ruler of Equestria, sometime during her youth.
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Oh hi spike, ummm, why have you been given a title called "spike the brave and glorious"?
107 likesIs it because the crystal Ponies in the crystal empire call you that because you manage to get the crystal heart to the fair to defeat the king of darkness named "K!Ng $oMbr@"?
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19 likesSpikeee!!!
41 likesHi girrrllls…
19 likesAgreed XD
15 likesyeaah
16 likesTwilight is not a princess!!!!
8 likes@Moadot720 She is queen!!
13 likes@Amber Slahlize No, she’s not!
9 likes@Moadot720 why? If you may share some of your dumbness (sorry for saying that)
9 likes@Moadot720 Because queens are superior to princesses! Hashbro just hates queens because Disney told them too!
8 likesHonestly, my favorite Twilight is Angry Twilight. She gets angry at the same stuff as me.
18 likes@Nandhini KJ r u rarity now
9 likes@Imaginative Isabella Hello!
6 likes@Nandhini KJ Sup?
4 likes@3D Saul Goodman hello
5 likesWas that from ‘Lesson Zero’?
8 likes@pollywogpaints yes, season 2 episode 3
7 likes@Afshan Sabri Hello
4 likes@3D Saul Goodman see my other comment on your reply section
4 likes@Afshan Sabri Yes, yes it was.
4 likes@3D Saul Goodman alright, thanks
4 likesspikey wikey ;)
4 likes@Moadot720 uhmmm... she is now the Queen of Equestria...? R u dumb or something?
5 likesAlso I changed the likes to 1k...
3 likes@Anonymous Ina Thnx
4 likesLol
6 likesSpikey Wikey?!
4 likes@A Cat TWILIGHT!!!!! 🤩
5 likes@Afshan Sabri :’)
3 likes@Nandhini KJ😝
3 likes@CozyFlurry hello :D
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2 likesSpikey wikey HI!!!!!
1 like@Moadot720 She basically is tho, and the only other person who has any power is married with her brother who controls the royal army so yeah
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2 likes@Pinkie lulu pie hi!
1 like@Moadot720 Don't think you watched season 3 finale or anything after that, because twilight IS a princess
0 likesHi spike!
0 likesHi spike!
0 likesLMAOAISJEI I LOVE HOW U PHRASED THAT
0 likesO Spike The Brave And Glorious!
0 likes@Afshan Sabri Starlight??? Is that you???
0 likes@Hannah_Grae_FanAccount no, I'm not starlight glimmer.
1 likeFINALLY SOMEONE ON EARTH HAS GOT THE SAME QUESTION AS I HAVE !
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But i have a question nobody answered yet. How come there is no "Human" sunset shimmer on the other side?
29 likes@Dhanvi Sujatha might be hidden somewhere just like human twilight
24 likesIkr-
11 likesThis actually never bothered me because I knew it was a paradox
5 likes@Christa Spirit wow
4 likesI think we all have, just never knew it
1 like@Dhanvi Sujatha Yep
0 likesI did
0 likesThe time I watched he episode I thought that if only twilight didn't go to the past then there won't be any ruckus
0 likes@Dhanvi Sujatha uum doctor wolf and sawtooth make avideo about that
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0 likesI questioned it back then
0 likes50% of comments: talking about how good the theory was
1091 likesOther 50%: respecting Sawtooth's pronouns.
Perfect. That's the love they deserve.
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Also, as someone who uses she/they pronouns, hearing Sawtooth using their pronouns so casually just feels so good.
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227 likes@SMG Productions I strictly use they/them, but I'm super deep in the closet so honestly it's been really healing and affirming hearing Sawtooth use their own pronouns to refer to themself
97 likes@Sawtooth Waves i am brazilian and wanted subtitles in portuguese
16 likesWhen I noticed that I assumed it was a slip of the tongue.
9 likesWait.. what are Sawtooth's pronouns???
11 likes@Error White they/them, which you can confirm in the about section of their YouTube channel
16 likes@Error White I believe it's they/them but don't quote me on that.
9 likes@Zane Does Everything Thx!
1 like@MidnightMuffin Thx for telling
1 likeNo i made about why the future Sawtooth Waves time travelled
0 likes@Sawtooth Waves Omg I never noticed that you used they/them pronouns. Same!! :D That's so cool to me
0 likesShoot uh what are Sawtooth's pronouns? I'm aware this is old but I have no clue what they are 😅
0 likes@Starcycle They/them!
0 likes@SMG Productions I also use she/they and i have the same feeling
0 likesS - Sharp Mind
168 likesA - Awesome
W - Watches MLP Carefully
T- Terrific
O - Observant
O - Outstanding
T - Totally Mind Blowing
H - Hilarious
W - Wonderful
A - Amazing
V - Vibrant
E - Enthusiastic
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awwww thank you <333
29 likes@Sawtooth Waves 🤩😍😘
9 likesGlad u liked it !
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1 likeAwww that’s so nice how long did you even work on this again?
0 likes@Sydney Phillips Not that long lol.
0 likestook like 5 or 10 minutes, don't remember did that a long time ago😅
also thankss <33
@ThisPersonLovesChocolateMilk. ur username is absoloutely true
0 likes@i_makeArt Yuss :3
0 likesHow did Luna know who is daybreaker when nopony mention her in "royale problem" Episode? Does this happened before?
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Celestia has the power to dream of the future so luna most likely has the same power
94 likesI’m pretty sure he already did a video on this theory I suggest you go find and watch it
22 likesYou mean Celestia?
12 likesI don't think she did. Daybreaker was only mentioned twice in the series and the only time Luna saw her, she never once called that alternative Celestia. She only knew Daybreaker as a nightmare Starlight was having and had Celestia stop her with Luna's powers. I think Daybreaker was just a random paranoia when Starlight heard about the truth behind Nightmare Moon
48 likesI always thought Celestia told her offscreen.
10 likes@Demon Princess Seems to me that it was Luna that supplied the name.
4 likesPersonally, I think that Daybreaker is an artifact existing within the dream realm, possibly originating with Celestia herself, that gave form to Starlight's fears.
6 likes@Fantasy-Artist he did?
1 like@Renamon 565 But they switch powers and cutie mark
2 likes@Haxior noope
1 likeAlso, dang yall quick
1 likeYeah i Notcied that too
0 likesGood question
0 likesLikely Celestia have had nightmares about Daybreaker before, and Luna was there to help her get through them.
5 likes@Flufux make sense,
1 likeBut how did it have the same character 3 times a row? Like twilight cant enter starlight dream, but she see "celestia" Evil form
@Travis Smith How so?
0 likes@Flufux I don't think that's what it is
0 likes@Demon Princess Well, we know that dreams in Equestrisa can be shared. We know also that with guidance one can move from one dream to another. Thus we see that in some form the dream realm is a reality unto itself. It is also fairly likely that Celestia has hidden worries about what if she went dark. Thus Luna may have faced Daybreaker before, in Celestia's dreams. Which would also serve to somewhat explain why Celestia was so intimidated by another's fear: it was also her own.
1 like@Travis Smith Celestia was a timid mess trying to do Luna's job. And if Celestia had dreamt of Daybreaker before, wouldn't there be a sense of familiarity?
0 likes@Demon Princess There was a sense of shock and terror, much the same thing if we consider there was no definitive victory of the good over the bad.
1 like@Travis Smith No definitive victory? Celestia stopped Starlight's nightmare. Considering Daybreaker never existed in the real world, that was a definite victory of good over evil. And think about it this way, you see an evil version of yourself set out to destroy a family member and you have to face them alone. Wouldn't you be shocked and horrified
0 likes@Demon Princess I'm talking previous to that encounter. She had no problem facing down the dream Nightmare Moon, Celestia has shown many times she has no problem facing monsters (defeating them....... well the central characters have to save the day for plot reasons). But the one dream she should be able to handle without issue she froze and knew she could not handle it. While not requiring past interaction it would sure suggest such.
0 likesLuna knew the name right off the bat even though she did not at that time have her dream powers. Indeed as I recall the name was not mentioned until Luna said it (after Celestia went for help). This also suggests a prior encounter.
Now, one of the things a just ruler must always be wary of is giving in to temptations to abuse power. Seeing someone you are close to fail such a test (as with Luna's decent into Nightmare Moon for Celestia) can highlight this. Thus we have reason for Celestia to have dreamed of Daybreaker at some point.
We know that as soon as Celestia pulled Luna into Starlight's dream Luna knew the name of the manifestation without being told despite the lack of dream powers at the time. We know that elements of dreams and even entire dreams can be shared between individuals suggesting some manner of shared plain of existence. We know that while woefully equipped for dealing with dream troubles Celestia tried hard. We know Celestia does not back down from foes normally. We know Celestia had no issue facing down the dark shadow of her sister in the dream despite also knowing the turmoil such a real confrontation caused and continued to have effects long after. We know that seeing her own dark shadow made Celestia not only back down but run.
We do not know, however, why Celestia ran nor how Luna knew the name. But if we fit what we do know together to fill in that which we do not it seems reasonable, to me anyway, that that which took form from based on Starlight's fear of turning Celestia dark had formed previously and so had an identity not confined solely to Starlight's mind.
@Travis Smith how can Twilight see daybreaker in the same form?
0 likesMaybe someone had a nightmare because Luna takes care of dreams and just named her that
1 like@Deborah Amos that'll be impossible, twilight see daybreaker in one of her fear too
0 likes@Travis Smith The name thing, that's something else. But, for all we know, Celestia told her off screen while the show was focused on Starlight's regret. As for Celestia's shock, none of the monsters she faced, nor Nightmare Moon, showed her to be a vicious monster. Daybreaker even said the possibility that if Luna could become an evil pony, so could she. She was facing a horrific revelation alone. I think Celestia's fear fell more under the memory of regret that Celestia couldn't reconcile with Luna when Nightmare Moon originally happened. That coupled with a revealing fact that if one princess could become evil, so could she would be a truly horrific thought. She wouldn't have needed to see Daybreaker before for that to be scary enough to petrify her.
0 likesBut, also ask yourself this: Royale Problem was the first time Starlight ever met the princesses in person (or in pony, however the expressions go) so how would Starlight dream of something Celestia had already dreamed of? She never would have heard the name Daybreaker before or seen what an evil Celestia would look like. But, she had seen Celestia get angry by then and that would be enough to know that Celestia was just as susceptible to darkness and anger as Luna was. Especially after Twilight's panic of Nightmare Moon during her worries brought Starlight so much paranoia before leaving for Canterlot. And, after taking such drastic measures, of course that would only make Starlight's paranoia worse. But, why would her paranoia take shape to the exact same dream you're assuming Celestia had? Starlight's subconscious had motive for making Daybreaker. Did Celestia's?
@ʍou ʇɥƃᴉɹ pᴉdnʇs ʞooʅ no⅄ Where'd Twilight come from in this?
0 likesHow did you get your name to be upside down letters?
0 likes@Elune Shatterstone do you wanna know?
0 likes@Travis Smith https://youtu.be/Kj2UP1oTZNY
0 likesYes! Lol
0 likesAlso do you agree with me that Cadence shouldn't be both the princess of motherly love and the princess of romantic love? I feel like Shining Armor should be the one for romantic love because none of the other princesses have TWO jobs! Honestly, this is the explanation Sawtooth Waves needed a year ago.
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1 likeEveryone else here: Let me explain how Luna knew
You: How'd you do that to your profile name?
Not trying to be mean, I just like seeing odd-ones-out
@Demon Princess lol, can't help it, gotta break the flow! P.S. You have excellent spelling and punctuation.
1 likeI'm assuming they both have their corrupted potentials?
0 likesI think when Luna torned to NightmearMoon, she match the thing or someone how do this with her and think they can do the same thing with Celestia...or she just see it on a Celestia dream, she can fuckyng see what pony's think whrn they are sleeping
0 likesI just rewatched the clip for fun and Luna's words "I've seen a lot, but I've never seen this before" when she first saw Starlight's nightmare
0 likesHey yeah, future self here. Just saying that i am so STUPID
0 likesCan we all just take a moment to appreciate Sawtooth? I love them. I love them so much😭💕💕
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44 likes@Sawtooth Waves there is no such thing as non binary. Sawtooth is a male
7 likes@Amanda Lochmann stfu
30 likes@Amanda Lochmann technically you’re right because gender is a social construct. But since you’re right then that means male isn’t a thing either. Nor is female. Gender was made up by humans, and people (or changelings) can identify as anything other than the 2 if that’s how they feel inside. You cannot change how someone else identifies. You can only change how you identify.
42 likes@Amanda Lochmann Sawtooth is non-binary. You can’t change that.
38 likes@Amanda Lochmann shut up lmao they’re not a guy and you can’t change that
16 likes@Amanda Lochmann you remind me of some homophobic people from my old school
11 likesI murdered them by pushing them out an office window on the 30th floor so while they fell they could enjoy the searing pain of the glass shards imbedded in their body.
Guess what imma do to you?
@Amanda Lochmann
26 likesand THATS why you get no views :)
deleting your channel is ALWAYS an option.
@[Generic Channel Name Here] I'll take things that never happened for $500, Alex.
0 likes@ShadowMewssacre Im assuming thats a jeopardy reference...
1 likeI dont watch that show...
BUT LOL
@firefly64 stop being so rude if their homophic leave them that's their choice no need to give them death threats we shoudnt judge we should just be like that's your opinion that's what I do
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4 likesshut up 🙂
@firefly64 stayy mad :)
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7 likesAlr I will because ur homophobic lmao
@firefly64 I ain't homophic your just jealous and stuck up :) and homophic isnt a comeback
0 likes@firefly64 there's no proof I'm homophic and the person is a kid and you don't need to give them death threats it's their life
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2 likesI don’t care “blue sparkle” you’re a dumb twilight sparkle clone, make an original oc and come back.
@Blue waves🌊✨ who are you talking about ????
0 likes@elara it's okay just stay out of it :) just a normal argument with a islamophic person from YouTube
0 likes@firefly64 wow so scared 💀 that was the wrost comeback ever says your name "fire fly plsss a clone of a animal and 64- copies Minecraft
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1 likehuh 😭 neither of those are based off my username, I’m talking about another firefly and another thing with 64…
@Blue waves🌊✨ ?????
1 like@TaylorXwX yeah but it's their choice if they wanna be homophic
0 likes@TaylorXwX Tell me about it😰
2 likes@Blue waves🌊✨ I do agree with you you shouldn’t give anyone a death threat to be honest I’m not homophobic
0 likes@Amanda Lochmann i go by all prounons
0 likes@Sawtooth Waves they a theory
0 likesIn quantum psychis with time travel into past One isthe
Universe is deystoyrd or the universe fixes the paradox so it cause the same outcome as see past twlight didn't know the reason for the Time travel therefore she had everything reason to go find out how to prevent it and her going back in time set the loop in motion basillcly it's a self contained time loop
@Amanda Lochmannimagine being that rude
0 likesFuture Twilight is one of my favorite versions of Unicorn Twilight, in fact Past Twilight was right when she says that Future Twilight looks like she's from a post apocalyptic timeline.XD
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Hi!
4 likesWell yes
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1 likeThe first time we saw Sunset Shimmer when she was stealing Twilight's crown, her horn magic was blue colour but other times when we see her in pony form again, her magic is red colour. An example is the spring breakdown episode and when Sunset met Starlight in the episode mirror magic. Why is her magic a different colour?
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Sunset's magic was turquoise blue green like Starlights. So when the writeres and animators made the Starlight character, they had to change Sunset's magic. Also her color and magic in EG was more red than turquoise.
0 likesJust like that most people believe Izzy represents Pinkie and Pipp Rarity. But Izzy told Sunny that Sunny's inner light was purple (Like Twilight) and later Izzy told Pipp that Pipp's color was turquoise (Like Pinkie's element.) And sometimes Pipp makes us happy with songs while Izzy is creative like Rarity.
ALso, Apple Bloom is mostly the main leader with ideas, Sweetie Belle the one who likes theater and singing and Scootaloo the fast and cool one. But we have seen that Apple Bloom wants the fast wagon, Sweetie Belle the traditional one and Scootaloo the Creative one. Later we see Sweetie Belle making the plans in growing up is hard. Also, we've seen Scootaloo be afraid and not so cool, and also seen her be the one who caries for her friends (Like TWilight, when she was about to move)
Not always judge ponies to be what they seem to be most time. They can have different sides. That's why it's hard to category other characters to Elements of Harmony.
I was thinking Ocellus was Fluttershy, Gallus was Rainbow Dash and Sandbar was Twilight. But Ocellus was Rarity, Sandbar was Fluttershy and Gallus was Twilight.
Starswirl = The one who created over 200 spells
Twilight Sparkle = The one who likes to read, study and use magic but also the one that begin to teach about friendship
Gallus = The one who isn't so bookish (If not at all) byt found out the magic of friendship even without studying magic.
Sunny Starscout = The one who studies friendship, but isn't so bookish otherwise
Zipp = The one who acts like detective, but found out something was wrong with the crystals.
Basically MLP is telling that time is infinitely repeatable, if a person/pony goes to the past, the person/pony needs to make sure to not change the past, if the person/pony does that it will be repeated and if not, it will still get repeated. That’s why we saw the same scene two times, because the start or the end can’t be defined, that’s my theory
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I’m not sure if I understand you correctly, but how would that explain Starlight Glimmers time travelling to stop the sonic rainboom?
7 likes@Pomello The writers decided to ignore the way It's About Time establishes time travel to work in favor of their own idea.
7 likesNot exactly...
13 likes-> It is imposible to go back to your OWN past (you always "land" on the past of a slightly different universe, but never the SAME).
This happens because time travel is necesary a "higher dimensional" path that has to be traversed & there is an infinite number of universes (the same way there are infinite "squares" inside a "cube").
It is imposible to move "PERFECTLY" on any direction (there will always be a slightly sideways motion caused by tiny imperfections, mistakes or simple limits to concentration/guidance); so moving through time also displaces the time-traveler to ANOTHER "plane" different from the one they started.
-> They can never return to their "original" timeline because:
a) They do not know "which" one it is (universes do not have a "serial number").
b) They do not have "infinite precision & infinite accuraccy" on their movement.
c) They would be unaware if they "finally found it" or if they "landed" on another one that has 1 single atom of difference.
Then, the "loop" is simply "advancing" randomly through a series of universes (not even a "full path" taking all infinite ones, but rather skipping most of them).
-> Random fluctuations & small accumulating changes will eventually make "a" Twilight to fail to convince the next one to time travel (or something else will prevent it, like Pinkie Pie accidentally losing/burning the scroll).
@Pomello well that’s a good question, if you remember starlight said that if she stopped the rain boom you wouldn’t be able to get your cutie marks, which means when she stopped it it changed the future but they went there again, stopped by twilight, the past is again changed but this time it went to the original state.
2 likesAbout the not seeing twilight and starlight in the episode it’s because twilight did her bast to not change the past and I mean 100%, if they were seen rainbow would say that she has seen twilight somewhere when they met the first time
Not to mention wouldn’t the producer make rainbow recognise her in the first place because they would have written short story’s for upcoming seasons/episodes to make it have sense and even if later they would have done accordingly p.s. the 100% thing would have happened as ‘behind the scenes’.
0 likespass out meaning
1 like@Daime Eliza Retuerto what do you mean?
1 like@Lautaro Roldan Pizzorno OR
2 likesIn "It's about Time", Twilight is in a loop where she always get the information about the archives from her future self. The loop just naturally...happens, similar to time flowing forward when nopony is time traveling.
But when Starlight time travels, she changes the past to be something that didn't originally happen, changing the future.
A sudden flood due to the dam breaking could cost millions of bits in damages and a good number of deaths. If Applejack, a earth pony, drowned, Twilight Sparkle wouldn't have accepted it. Even if Celestia forbade her, Twilight would move heaven and earth for her friends.
7 likesMy head hurts now
738 likesTimetravel is so confusing... "I just talked to myself and then became that person two seconds later"
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Ya every second its the the futur you
12 likesSameeeee
2 likeslets have a competition on whos head hurts more
8 likesI bet you can't beat me
I lost. My head doesn’t get headaches unless I spend too much time on the iPad or the weather changes really fast.
3 likesAs a doctor who fan, I’ve gotten used to it so it makes more sense now
3 likesThat's just Requiem.
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That's just Requiem.
In my opinion, if thinking about Time Travel doesn't give you a headache, your not doing it right
3 likesWho knew a book horse could start a huge paradox
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Book horse?
3 likes@Steve Tourte yeah. Twilight. She's a book nerd. 🤣
7 likesfuture sawtooth waves is wearing the same stuff as future twighlight sparkle......but why exactly?????????
1 likeBecause that’s what the video is about.
0 likesI don't know. I don't really think this loop needs a beginning. I personally think that Twilight was destined to go through all that, regardless of whether or not there really was a disaster coming.
78 likesSure, it might feel weird for the answer to come out of nowhere, but if you get it from your future self and then pass it on to your past self, that's plenty solid enough for me.
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True. Given all that Twilight was freaking out about prior to the visit of her past self (which clearly didn't matter all that much, as she was able to immediately drop all of it, and it was never so much as mentioned again for the duration of the episode), it's possible she initially went back just to tell herself not to stress too much, which isn't far off from the final loop, only to cause her past self to freak out even more, thus causing the events that we see.
6 likes@AlbaTross what you said is still a beginning to the loop, it’s just different from what the video said.
1 like@Lunar Dragon True. I suppose it is inevitable that there would be a beginning.
2 likesMy theory- twilight maybe didn't wanna look hideous, so she did a lot of crazy things trying to prevent it, But it backfired on her. So she had to go back in time and tell her past self. And her past self thought something happened. And it looped.
1 likeI think if something TRULY bad happened Twilight would of told her past self to be quiet or bribe her with a BoOk but it was like "Hey dont get tooo freaky" that Twilight took as "Awww! Time to Freak out!"
2 likesThis is why I like your videos. The over analysis to a show about magical ponies is actually very fascinating. You're the first person who actually took confusion to the origins of the time loop in this episode
26 likesThis always confused me. Now I know there was a real reason for her to time travel.
68 likesI miss the old fandom, I had so much fun, I honestly forgot about this episode.
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Fr tho but a lot of people grew out of the show and tbh I half have as well but I’ll always love it and the Gen-5 thing literally made my heart sink. Have you watched it, and if you have what do you think about it???
1 likeI actually saw a time paradox in Milo Murphy’s law. It was hilarious.
28 likesSome throws a peach at Cavendish and Dakota picks it up. When they go back in time they realise they have to warn themself so Dakota gives Cavendish the peach and he throws it at them. Then this happens
Cavendish: Wait where did you get that peach?
Dakota: Someone threw it at you earlier
Cavendish: But that someone was me!
Dakota: yeah so?
Cavendish: But where did I get it?
Dakota: Someone threw it at you earlier
Cavendish: But that someone was me
Dakota: Yeah so?
Cavendish: But where did I get it
Dakota: Someone threw it at you earlier
Cavendish: BUT THAT SOME
Then it cuts to Diogee, Sara, Zack and Melissa
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Or at the end of milo Murphy’s law where doofenshmirtz remembers and saves himself
3 likesI was just about to mention that. Also, the letter that Milo sent himself after getting it. That letter also came from nowhere
0 likesCould also count for an ontological paradox, the information that you get comes from the future but the future information was derived from something in the past taken from future knowledge. The scenario reminds me of part of "Predestination" John tells the Time Agent that he wants to go back in time and kill the person who ruined his life and him pregnant before he found out he was intersex, the Time Agent later tells John that he was the one who ruined his own life and creates the loop
0 likesSawtooth casually using they/them pronouns has got me all giddy. <3
73 likesYou:"So, I'm gonna teach Them!"
258 likesMe, on the verge of tears: Aaaw💛🤍💜🖤
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56 likesSo glad I'm not the only one. Seriously, every time I hear it I just feel so happy for them and it's so nice that we have something in common 🏳️🌈🌈
32 likes@Sawtooth Waves I'm stealing baby you now bye 👌
1 likeSorry I don't get it, what is the big deal of using them?
1 like@AppleToaster they/them isn't the most common pronoun for people to use on themself, so it can feel really nice for people like that to find other people like that :)
9 likes@Bee Miller it's just that I didn't even take note of it when they said that. Felt very natural, it was on the sentence perfectly. Glad it makes people feel represented though, to me this means I must not refer to them as "he" anymore, only they/them.
9 likesI mean...YES, REPRESENTATION, I LOVE THEY, I LOVE THIS FUCKYING PONY!!!
0 likes@AppleToaster you’re so polite and respectful, we need more people like you
1 like@Demonyck’s Creations Being indifferent to the way people refer to themselves shouldn't make me polite/respectful, it should be the norm. Cheering the fact that they referred to themselves agenderly implies it's still a difficult thing to do today, and that saddens me. Just as it saddens me that "coming out" is still a thing. You shouldn't have to be "stuck" in the first place.
2 likesIf my child ever has to "come out" to me someday, afraid of my reaction, then I've failed.
@AppleToaster it is unfortunately very hard for people like me to even refer to ourselves and have people respect the pronouns I use. I just wanted to let you know that those with the mindset that you have actively make the world a better place for myself and others ^v^
3 likesHey Sawtooth! Congrats on coming out!! You're so valid ❤️
45 likesI used to watch every upload you did, until I fell out of the fandom. I’ve recently found your channel again after a nostalgia binge, and it warms my heart to see the channel being how I remembered it. I also noticed the background of your profile pic being the non-binary flag. As a fellow non-binary, it makes me really happy to see people like me :)
13 likesPretty good, I look forward to more complex topics like this one
3 likesThe nature of humanity is that every so often someone accidentally invents Homestuck again
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is that the plot of homestuck? not familiar with that subculture
6 likes@Sawtooth Waves It's a part of all the bullshit that happens in it. It’s confusing, dude.
4 likes@Sawtooth Waves a bunch of plots and things have the bootstrap paradox
1 likeI always think about these details like how the detail come from every time machine story
25 likesTime traveling is pretty useful, I wish I can get a try on this one, which can help you solve your past problems to make future better....
4 likesThat is an interesting thought in regards to how the time loop had started. One particular time loop I remember would be one in Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time where the guy in the windmill teaches Link the Song of Storms in the future so that Link could then teach him that song in the past so that he could teach Link in the future so that future Link could-(Cuts to a colored beeping screen)
3 likesI am wondering how that could have worked? Maybe in the first timeline, the Windmill guy realizes that Hyrule is doomed because the hero doesn't have the Lens of Truth, but then finds out that Link is time traveling and teaches him the song to teach to his past self?
Great video as always Sawtooth! I was wondering if you could make a video about the mirror portal? Like, is it natural like the one on the island? Or did someone (or somepony) make it?
3 likesI always thought that twilight overheard a royal guard talk about the time travel spell to another guard or twilight read about in the canterlot castle she did read all of the books in the canterlot library
37 likesAh ha! I knew I wasn't the only who thought there was some sort of origin to the Twilight Time Loop! Thanks for this Sawtooth, you're awesome and brilliant at the same time!
3 likes"Solving Future Twilight's Paradox ⌛✨"
126 likesMe: Try to stow it away in the back corner of your headcanon section and try to not talk about it XD
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What?
3 likes"doesn't this time travel stuff hurt you brain?"
0 likes"you have no idea."
I think you just gave a perfectly valid explanation that solves an entire paradox, at least on paper. But, hey, who knows, maybe future studies on the subject will make the "Sawtooth's Paradox Solver" 100% canon, both in the show and IRL
17 likesSo when the first Twilight who had actually seen a real disaster returned to her time, what was her world look like?
11 likesI think basically it still comes back to time travel making new alternative universes.
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hard to say since that twilight is removed from the loop
3 likesI am calling this paradox the hamburger paradox because that’s what the diagram Sawtooth used looks like.
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Y e s
0 likesThere's a lot wrong with my timeline so far, so I'm going through the same thing, and it might just be the first time it happens. Thanks for the tips Sawtooth.
2 likes@Sawtooth Waves But the main question is what would that disaster be and how would it cause and affect the rest of Twilight's story. Would this disaster prevent Twilight from becoming an alicorn???????????? Because
4 likesif Celestia stopped her studies because
of this disaster, this could have caused her not to become an alicorn causing
another train of crazy events
Out of any timey whimey thing I've heard, this is the one that has made the most sense
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I like that comic
2 likesYeah, I actually ended up coming to a similar conclusion about other instances of stable time loops...mostly in my own unpublished story ideas...
4 likesPoint is, even if the official writers of published works never get around to making their own side stories involving the potential retconed past that set up the stable time loop; that concept would make for excellent fan fic fodder. ^_^
I liked it . I did have my suspicion about a Tim loop like this but your results for how it all began is very good . Nice job 👍👌
8 likesOmg i love time travel but its always so confusing this makes it so much more easy to understand
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Ikr, it’s so interesting!
0 likes@Hi_itscrystal16 :D
0 likesthis mans just solved the bootstrap paradox
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Ye
1 likeMe after Sawtooth explains his theory: Bruh you smarter than Twilight!
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1 likeHey, that's a pretty clever way to look at it! I think that makes a lot of sense, since the loop would be infinite, and a few initial iterations in comparison would be too small to even consider normally.
2 likesCongratulations…you managed to explain this paradox…which apparently you can do with all paradoxes…and I think this explanation makes a lot of sense
2 likesI've honestly also had a similar idea about bootstrap paradoxes having a start in a different timeline before, albeit for a different series, that being Harry Potter, in Prisoner of Azkaban specifically. Harry and Hermione indirectly alert or save their past selves from danger, twice. I'm sure that there was an original timeline where both Harry and Sirius got their souls sucked (or just Sirius, I can't 100% remember if Hermione throwing a rock against past!Harry's head also happened in the books) and either Hermione or another character used the Time Turner to go back and try to save them, and through trial and error figured out that they needed to rescue Buckbeak and get Harry to the dementors so he could cast a patronus. Harry even said 'because I'd already done it before' when Hermione asks how he cast the full patronus, even though it was actually his future self that did that.
3 likesI'm so glad Sawtooth watches Doctor Who too. Honestly- that whole paradox discussed in those episodes was the perfect segway. As the Doctor says "Timey... Whimey... stuff..." is weird and confusing
2 likesAs always Sawtooth did wonderfully and can't wait for their next video
It's About Time for another Sawtooth Waves vid.
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Finally I know
6 likesLOL!
4 likesI know. The last time he posted was about 2 weeks ago and I thought he wouldn't post for a long time!
1 like@saifur rahman They go by they/them pronouns now.
3 likes@Ammonite The Sea Serpent oh i didn't know that before. I hope i didn't offend anyone. I'll be careful with my gender pronouns next time :)
2 likesEdit: I just realised why Sawtooth goes by they/them pronouns. I didn't look closely before but i saw a non-binary flag in the background of their pfp.
@saifur rahman Okee dokie!
0 likesLolol good one
0 likes@SonicStalker123 ???
0 likes@SonicStalker123 what xd?
0 likesConsidering how time travel can come off as very confusing in whatever media uses it and not even the brainy characters can understand it fully, I think it could have all boiled down to bad writing in an effort by the writers to make Twilight become paranoid and thus begin the standard for the rest of the show...for no apparent reason other than to see her suffer. Though in Twilight's defense if I saw MY future self come back in time to warn past me about a disaster I'd make an effort to listen as well so I could prevent this from occurring.
2 likesMy favorite Dr. Who Version of the Bootstrap Paradox is actually this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4SEDzynMiQ&ab_channel=DoctorWho
8 likesThe question for the above version though, truly is where who wrote Beethoven's Music? How would this version work for original timelines, resulting in the loop.
This is a masterpiece
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Yessssss
2 likesThis actually makes a lot of sense! Though, it does make me wonder... The spell lets you travel through time for only a brief while before pulling you back to the present. The perfect loop that stabilized is all well and good, but... what happened to the original time traveling Twilight that experienced the disaster? Was she pulled back to the original time line? Or, because she did change time by making her past self begin worrying when she did not, did she cease to exist?
1 likeA solution to the Bootstrap Paradox? Holy crap! Great job, Sawtooth. Thank you for not only the entertaining video but also the clear-as-crystal explanation. The Dr. Who parallel really helped. It's been a while since I've added anything to my Favorites list.
1 likeso i just realized that sawtooth has a non-binary flag in their pfp oml that’s so cool!
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We dont know what it is, dont assume things
1 like@Raptor Zeraora in their about section it says their non-binary :) and ghostly inhale wasn't assuming if they knew what the non-binary flag looked like, they were just pointing it out :)
17 likesReally? I only see a yellow background
0 likes@Egg Bun it used to be it for a while but it changed back into that
3 likesOmg I remember hating this episode because of the paradox. Thank you for somehow fixing it a little bit. Still think it's a paradox because of the clothes proving that the only source was twilights irrational behaviour, which shows it's a paradox.
2 likesTwilight having the knowledge of the time travel spell via herself using the time travel spell which she got the knowledge of from herself using the time travel spell which she got the knowledge of from herself...
3 likesTemporal mechanics are fun!
Sawtooth is probably my favorite mlp channel. He just puts so much effort into each video and actually has interesting theories to think about. I wish everyone could love mlp the way I do!
1 likeI literally get so happy when you post a new video, makes my whole day 20% awesomer
2 likesLets all take a moment to appreciate that he posts videos for us and he works hard making to put these videos everyday for us and he makes our day/night even better
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awwwe tysmmm <3
5 likesI think they use them/them pronouns because they’re non-binary <3
9 likesThey, not he.
1 likeI always assumed that there was some sort of disaster, though until this video, I never got why Twilight would use the spell just to tell her past self not to worry -- that is at least taken care of now. Exactly why she thought it would go differently than when her future self tried to do it is still a mystery.
1 likeOMG I WANTED TO KNOW THE HISTORY BEHIND THIS FOR SO LONG TYSM
46 likesOK this was an amazing video!! (especially because of doctor who being featured, it also helped me actually understand paradoxes a bit better) but I guess time really isn't a cause to effect and is in fact a big ball of wibbly wobbly timey wimey stuff (sorry couldn't help myself)
2 likesI'm so happy someone made a video of (roughly) what I've always believed about this episode! I always thought that Twilight, during the brief time travel, sounded far too desperate and urgent for what she ended up trying to warn herself about - because (and that's where my interpretation differs) that version of herself is from the genuine disaster timeline!
1 likeTo explain: In her timeline, all of the "signs" have different, much less harmless reasons to come into being, but because she travelled back in time, the new timeline has Twilight disasterproofing Equestria and thus averting the disaster. However, time can not move forward properly until Twilight completes the time loop - so in this timeline, events contrive to give Twilight the same appearance she had when going back the first time, for when she inevitably time travels - and repeats the flashback verbatim, without even realizing that it only almost fits. Time fits smoothly and can move forward again.
It's a bit of a different scenario from the Doctor Who scenario, but I think you bringing it up still perfectly illustrated a very similar principle which helped clear up my own thoughts on the matter!
I am further led to this conclusion by all of the other time travel in MLP also either being non-interfering or requiring stable loops, with one notable exception: Starlight's modified Starswirl spell, using the Cutie Map - and that part is important. I believe that only with the Cutie Map serving as an anchor across timelines. This scenario also has precedent in Doctor Who:
The TARDIS being used as a Paradox Machine in The Sound of Drums. It's the exact same thing: an anchor across timelines allowing the future to modify the past even past the point that would break said future's existence.
Without such an anchor, I think the loop has to repeat exactly, and be repeated in exactly the same way, and events will align to allow it. What do you think?
for me, I've seen the information that arises from the bootstrap paradox to be a result of the time travel itself. the doctor going back in time to tell his past self the correct lever and going through that door to tell his past self again is the process that the information originates from. That's my take. and also, someone finally put two of my favourite shows together wahoo!!!
1 likeThis reminds me of the PS2 game Grimgrimoire. Its takes place during a time loop that had lasted thousands of years. One girl is aware of its and things fall into place nicely for her after a few failed attempts and she eventually breaks it, but it shows a few versions who have failed, and they are essentially hundreds if years old. It shows pieces of the failed timelines so a to circumvent what happens with Twilight. It shows the MC saving the day after countless failed attempts, everything fitting together nicely, due to all the time she spent relieving everything. Not entirely the same, but a very fun game.
1 likeI was just wondering about this! I came to pretty much the same conclusion, but there's one idea I would like to float -- there is one more reference to this episode in a future episode. Season 4 finale. So I ask you -- where do you suppose Tirek fits into all this?
1 likeThat was the most understandable explanation of time loops that I've ever seen and finally understood.
1 likeThat's actually a very clever bootstrap solution I haven't heard of before.
1 likeWell done!
This is so interesting beyond MLP! Honestly I’m gonna write this down, it’ll definitely be helpful with anytime my creative works may feature time travel
1 likeIt’s About Time was and probably always will be one of my favorite episodes of MLP. I really enjoyed it when i was younger and i love how unique it was in comparison to the rest of the show at the time i saw it, especially with how they used time travel loops as a way to teach the “don’t worry yourself too much” lesson. it’s just very creative to me in general.
3 likesOMG SEEING YOUR OLD BACKGROUND IMMEDIATELY GAVE ME NOSTALGIA
11 likesI screamed when I saw docter who appear in the video- I finally found someone who watches it!
5 likesMe after watching MCU and DC content: yes this makes perfect sense
27 likesI’m surprised I could keep up holy heck 😂
That would mean there are more timelines, because before that, from the ninth, where the heroes also jumped their Twilight, Spike and Starlight jumped back into the past. But this time in the past they would meet themselves from the front line who are actually replacing them, and this would create another timeline. I wonder what would happen next. Do you have any ideas?
2 likesThis is what I like to call a "Reverse Drain Paradox". So, when water goes down a drain, the water on the outside moves much slower towards the drain than water closer to it, and thus each loop is closer together. On the very edge of the spiral, the water barely approaches the drain with each loop while the water right next to it covers the distance quite fast so the loops are far apart. Drop a single drop of food coloring into a draining bathtub and you'll see this.
1 likeIn a Reverse Drain Paradox, it's the opposite. The initial loops are quite far from each other, but as the loops move outward, they become closer and closer, however they never actually stay the same. Each time is still different by some degree, though by smaller and smaller amounts each time. It's like halving something over and over.
After calming down from my excitement, I do have only one question: what changed? This has nothing to do with MLP, it had to do with the Doctor Who issue. In the original timeline, as you put it, he didn't know which lever to pull and he had no help. So all he can do is guess. Get to the final timeline where he's told, where did the idea for telling himself come from? What changed to give him that idea? From the clips shown and what you say, it seems to me that the idea for telling himself would have had to have happened in the very first iteration. Consider this: why did the Doctor go through the door after failing the first time? It seems as though he had very little to no time, so where did this crazy idea to tell himself come from? Still, even if you ignore that, then there is still an issue. Based on the way you frame it, it was only because the "previous" Doctors told them what not to do that the "middle" Doctors did the same thing. This means that nothing changes until the previous Doctor comes through the door, right? So why does the Doctor "in the loop" have the idea? His very having of the idea means that the information really did come from nowhere, like in Bill and Ted with the keys, in a way. They intended to go back later and put the keys behind the bush, so the keys were there. The Doctor intended to go back and tell himself which lever to pull, so it's the same thing. After hearing about which lever to pull and pulling it, he went back and told himself which lever to pull. He jumped back in time briefly to fix a problem because he had to in order to make sure the problem was fixed so he could jump back in time. I hope this all makes sense, because for some reason I have never heard of anyone who understood this stuff. That was all out of order and basically a thought dump where I lost track of what I has already said multiple times, but I think my point is made.
1 likeOh and I love the art. Just wanted to say. I think what is said of the MLP version is true and we just didn't see it, but the Doctor Who analogy I think has a bit of an oddity. Or more accurately, this is one way it could have happened.
Honestly my favorite video you've made. It was very captivating and it really made me think. I'm glad we still have pony channels like this in the community even heading into G5. Great content through and through!
0 likesthis episode was perfect !! of course it solves the mlp paradox, but on top of that thisis a theory that makes sense for so many other time loop paradoxes
1 likeThis was the first video from you that I was exited to watch in a long time, simply because all of your last videos were basically just speculation on what could/ will / did happen, and this time it actually was a topic that you could analize and get an answer to.
0 likesYes a little speculation was still in there but it felt a lot better than some of your last videos
Please more stuff like this
That's incredible! You actually explained this logically! Are you a genius or something?
1 likeThis is an amazing idea. This basically follows the idea that the future can be changed. From the surface it appeared to say it can't, but if that were true than both variations would have come in on Twilight, not just one. The fact that it changed into a consistent loop shows that the future was changed until it became a straight path.
0 likesThanks for another interesting video, Sawtooth! ^_^
0 likesI've thought about something similar to what you talked about here. Like…if the Back to the Future movies had been limited to the first film, would the Doc and Marty we first see have been responsible for starting a time travel loop? It's still a mystery what happened to the Marty from the new timeline though…
If Twilight's loop was started by something like trial and error, then I guess a few new timelines were created before the consistent loop was formed. Does this mean that the time travel spell Twilight used was designed to pull someone back to their starting point in their original timeline and doesn't keep them in the newly created timeline? There would be multiple Twilights otherwise. Time travel can be so confusing…
Wow! I love how this makes sense out of a seemingly senseless paradox.
0 likesI love this video, it's such a fun concept to wonder about!
0 likesI wanted to write a novel that includes elements of time travel and I was always kinda scared how to handle it, because it's a pretty confusing thing to work with. In my world time travel caused multiple timelines to form so one timeline is still in a state of chaos and disaster, but the "fixed" and kinda "fake" one will be a different story. I don't have a situation where characters from the present and the future meet each other to tell themselves something however, so in this case, my job is easier, but there still are absolutely horrible consequences about to happen.
Never thought of that...but you're right, if there's a "perfect loop" in a time travel situation, for all we know there's a bunch of other steps leading to the perfect loop. Just because we don't see it, doesn't mean it's not there.
1 like"Though let's be honest, this is pre-alicorn Twilight we're talking about here, it wouldn't even take that much." Pfft - love that 😹 I do feel bad for pre-alicorn Twilight though, it must be exhausting to have so much pressure on yourself.
This makes so much sense. You explained so well, no brain hurt here. ☺️
0 likesI rarely see such a clean explaination of a timeloop paradox. This is to keep for many, many fandoms.
0 likesDoes anyone remember in Gravity Falls, during one of the time travel episodes, Soos told Mabel the trick on opening the vending machine, and then when Mabel went back in time, she told younger Soos how to open the vending machine? Or in Milo Murphy's Law when the scientist guy threw a peach to warn himself of danger to his past self which makes the other guy pick up the peach and give it back to the past scientist guy when they go back in time so the question is, where did the peach come from?
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Or at the end of milo Murphy’s law, where doofenshmirtz remembers and saves himself
4 likes@Blake Chow I remember the MML ones, the peach is priceless. The note also
1 likeLate to the video by a year, but I've been talking about this for years. You did however miss one vital point, we actually do know the inciting incident that caused the original Twilight to travel back in time, and although she never prevented it she changed the timeline enough to prevent total disaster.
1 likeThe answer lies with Cerberus. Twilight caught him and returned him to his home as the guardian of the gates of Tartarus seemingly without incident. But we later learn from Celestia that it was on the day after Twilight met her future self, while Cerberus was away from his post, that Tirek escaped from Tartarus and began to regain his power.
Presumably in the original timeline Tirek absorbed all the magic and subjugated Equestria, causing a desperate Twilight to travel to the past in order to try and warn herself to prevent his escape or at least to recapture him before he became too powerful, and though she failed in that mission she changed the timeline and her personal future enough that she was able to defeat Tirek as we see at the end of season 4.
Sawtooth! I noticed something: Every Griffin with exposed name had G in the name: Gallus Gabby Etc
5 likesTo be fair, Cerberus leaving the gates allowed Tirek to escape, so… there was a disaster, just not yet happening. Maybe that would explain why Tirek won in that other timeline.
1 likeAwesome theory as always! I'm impressed you decided to analyze this episode. It makes sense somehow!
0 likesHey Sawtooth! I watched your previous video and revisited that episode to find something I found very peculiar. One of the many Starlight timelines is one with Discord. Celestia and Luna are there too. But isn't Luna Nightmare Moon at this point? Could there be a possibility for Nightmare to be defeated without the Mane 6 coming together after all? Either I misunderstood this, or I missed a video you made on this, but I just found it off. What do you think?
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you're exactly right, I'm curious how it was possible as well. looking into it c:
7 likesOMG wait you're right!!!
3 likesCelestia reformed Luna without the Mane 6?! I mean... how?!
I always saw the reformation of NMM as the biggest success of the Mane 6 because I always thought they were the only one that could do this, but now they're kinda useless... (because there isn't anything else they can do that Celestia can't)
@scifi DINO I don't think they were entirely useless, I still believe Celestia couldn't reform Luna alone as in the Nightmare Moon timeline, we see that Celestia has been banished. But maybe Celestia and another group of friends like the CMCs maybe? Idk I haven't really gotten any big headcanons for this
2 likes@Sawtooth Waves :)
2 likes@NeuroEmpathJewel Yes but now we know that there is atleast one alternate path to reform Luna without the Mane 6.
2 likesThis means that the thing that kinda was the Mane 6' biggest achievement is gone...
@scifi DINO True. Though the Mane 6 still represent the elements and their friendship is still the biggest power Equestria has, there is one other way to defeat NMM.
2 likesPerhaps it's just Celestia stealing and using the elements again, though why it would reform now and not just banish again? Idk. Plus also the fact that to banish NMM after returming to Equestria would mean Tia was banished for a 1000 years, which wouldn't align with Discord as that happens in the alternate universe's present. Though I do remember Nightmare mentioning something about 'my sister has been banished to the moon for a millenium' which implies Tia lost the first duel between them??? Sorry if I went on a bit of a ramble here, I just have a lot of thoughts on this lol
@NeuroEmpathJewel Yeah, the entire arc was very confusing! XD
1 likeBut these are like alternate universes, so in one NMM succeeds and in the other Discord succeeds, so in a timeline, only one of those can happen.
So all the timelines happen in the present day, just in alternate timelines (so no space ships and plasma guns).
Now come to speak of NMMs take over, how can NMM banish Celestia to the moon? Would this mean the elements aren't the only thing that can do that? The fact that they can't do any areal damage already lets me question their power, but now seeing that NMM also can do something that the elements did, that makes them kinda as useless as the Mane 6 XD
And btw I place the power of a fully utilized Celestia or Discord over the elements anyways, and now the elements seem weaker than NMM too?
And I don't know why banish her the first time and reform her the second time, I don't even know why she banished her the first time XD (I mean Tartarus is a much better thing to do because Celestia can still continue to talk to NMM that way)
@scifi DINO Huh, you make a good point about Tartarus as a banishment instead of the Moon, especially if Tia wanted to reform NMM.
2 likesI too, question the elements, but their power seems to be fixed in universe as the possible second best power source in the universe, only second to the Magic of Friendship itself.
I see your point about the elements, but since Tia used them to defeat NMM the first time after failing herself, I always thought of it as
Friendship>Elements>Discord>Nightmare Moon>Celestia
My problem with the elements is entirely on how they work, as they seem to have a mind of their own, banishing to the moon, turning to stone, reforming and sending to Tarturus as they please, as neither Celestia nor the Mane 6 seem to control that. Though I suppose that is true for all forms of magic, as even in Season 9, in the Beginning of the End, the Friendship Magic seems to permanently vanquish Sombra, while just draining the magic in Ending of the End.
As for the timelines, as you stated, in one, NMM succeeds, and in another, Discord succeeds. What's interesting here is that in Discord's world, both Tia and Luna are in Equestria, not corrupted. Unless Discord somehow brought back Tia and Luna, there is an unnamed event which led to that which we do not yet know of. I'm guessing either
1) (this one I'm not convinced on cause there's still some timeline and elements problems with this one) NMM won their first duel so a 1000 years later, Tia returns, uncorrupted (somehow), and defeats NMM in the alternate first episode of the show, or
2) Discord broke free in a world where NMM was banished, returned in an alternate 1st episode, defeated Tia since there is no Mane 6 without the Rainboom, and is ruling Equestria. Discord then possibly turned NMM back to Luna and brought back Celestia from the moon, to keep an eye on them, taunt them for eternity, or make sure they can never defeat him in case both their corrupted forms together try to (by making sure they never get corrupted, cause who knows what would happen to Tia on the moon? We never find out Daybreaker's full power outside of Starlight's dream, it could maybe rival Discord's).
Again, I'm still pretty confused about this, and sorry if I made it more confusing, but these are just my rambles. Thank you for listening and replying to my thoughts so far
@scifi DINO I asked my sibling about the elements thing as they're also a fan of MLP and Sawtooth, and they gave me this theory about how they work
2 likesSo it basically hinges on the fact that the elements, and the magic of friendship in general, knows or can sense the person the Mane 6 are fighting, so it figures out a personalised punishment for them so they can learn from it.
NMM was banished to the moon so for those 1000 years, she couldn't control the moon, but rather, she had to accept and live with the moon being controlled by her sister, which may have led to get resenting Tia more.
The second time she tried to take over in Season 1, when she saw the Mane 6 wielding the elements, something in her must have wanted that, as they are just ordinary ponies, with no special princess status or power, wielding magic simply because of their friendship. If just that can make them powerful and content with their friendship, maybe she can be content with her place too. This feeling could have made the elements give her one more chance instead of just banishment again.
For Discord, he was redeemable, but out of control, so the elements turned him to mundane stone, regular, ordinary, completely non-chaotic but not irreversible cause he can be redeemed.
Tirek, to Tartarus, cause he probably needed some time to reflect on his actions and maybe come to his own conclusion, while trapped in a prison with no power when at one point, he had all of it.
With the Pony of Shadows, the elements pull Stygian out, probably sensing the good in him while pushing back the darkness.
With Sunset, again, the Crown/Friendship Magic must have sensed her potential as a good person, and thus opted to redeem.
With Sombra in season 9, he wasn't corrupted (in canon at least) and he'd tried to take over for the 3rd time then. Maybe they sensed no goodness in him, and thus choose to vanquish (basically kill) him
With the Mean 3 in the finale, I suppose it gave them one chance because it sensed at least some hope for them, by draining their power but not reforming them as they're not corrupted by magic, but rather by their minds.
Basically according to this theory which attempts to explain why the elements seem to have different punishments to different villains, it tries to give them a chance at redemption by offering them something related to or the exact opposite of their power (example: from chaos to non moving stone but leaving him alive and able to think) so they can reflect and hopefully, see the value of friendship. What do you think?
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1 likeI could have understood why Celestia didn't banish NMM to Tartarus if the fight went down like this: Celestia held back a majority of her power because she didn't want to hurt her sister but then she got a critical hit and crashed next to the elements by luck and kinda used them as a last resort to prevent getting killed herself and the elements decided to be stupid, but the way the show portrays the fight it really is kinda disappointing und it doesn't really make sense. (In general overlord level combat isn't epic enough)
Btw my thoughts on magic power levels are
Discord > Celestia > Friendship > Elements > NMM (I see the sun as more powerful than friendship, being a power that isn't limited to the planet)
And yeah, the way the elements work is very strange... Putting the limited damage aside, there are so many conditions... needing all 6 to be present, needing the wielder(s) to have the right personality/ies and doing damage in ways the operator has no control over... Not a really practical weapon...
And you're right, the power of friendship does that too, so... should they be considered unqualified as weapons?
To the timelines:
1)The thought that NMM won their first duel is interesting, being that Twilight didn't travel just to a timeline without Rainboom, but instead travelling into a timeline where history itself occurred completely different. But this would require NMM to either be able to use the need-high-personality-requirements elements or be as powerful ad these, which I both consider improbable.
2)So if I got everything correct that one requires NMM to defeat Celestia, right? But then It doesn't really make sense for Discord to bring back Celestia since he would pretty much be bringing back the only being that poses a non-negligible threat, but to put it in Discords words: "what fun is there in making sense" (I mean was literally guiding the mane 6 to defeat him too), so I guess it is possible, even though that would only underline Discords incompetence even more XD
Either way, it is pretty confusing. The fact that we neither know Discord's, Celestia's nor Luna's/NMM's full extends of power and there isn't any "universal fandom interpretation" of it doesn't make it easier.
My personal favorite probably is now that Celestia was able to turn NMM back to Luna (boring, I know XD), even though I would have liked it more that the Mane 6 were like the important bound between Celestia and Luna that brought them together...
@NeuroEmpathJewel Hmmm... The theory with the elements makes sense.
1 likeI guess we shouldn't try to get too deep into the philosophy of the elements of harmony, then somebody will start to recommend the elements just reprogramming the way the villains think XD
@Sawtooth Waves You are so smart! You could teach at a school for ponies!
1 like@scifi DINO Thank you for your reply, and though I disagree on the power levels you mentioned here, I have to agree to your final point, that the most logical way of things to happen is for Celestia to have simply reformed Luna herself, negating the special aspect about the Mane 6, because any other explanation we have both discussed leaves a plot hole or doesn't match with continuity somewhere else.
2 likesIt's ironic really, that in the end of the episode, in the ruined timeline where nothing is left, Twilight makes a point about how every friendship is special and unique, and even letting one not form can have disastrous implications, and yes, though this is proven in many timelines she saw, the Discord timeline unintentionally disproves this point because the only non canon-breaking explanation for that one is that Celestia could reform Luna herself.
Knowing what we know now about Celestia letting Twilight handle all the threats to Equestria so she can be prepared to rule in the future, what if, in all the alternate timelines, she's either waiting or personally sent Twilight herself to make friends and save their world? Perhaps when she failed, Tia stepped in herself to reform her sister. Just some food for thought.
Because we never find out her in-universe power, or Luna's, or Discord's, all interpretations of their power is different, the theory we've both presented here may never perfectly fit into canon. But hey, that's the fun of theories, right?
@scifi DINO Yeah lol, reprogramming the villains instead of letting them change by taking away their power or the cause of their 'evil' would be... Something. But in the end of the day, like the maximum power levels of the characters, we only have to theorise an explanation.
2 likesThank you, once again, for reading and replying to my long and sometimes unfocused thoughts lol. It's fun talking to someone just as interested in MLP and this universe as me. I kinda hope Sawtooth reads this, they could probably actually make something out of our several long explanations.
@NeuroEmpathJewel The S5 finale gives so much theory/discussion potential!! XD
1 likeTia in the pilot arc basically waiting in the back to see if Twilight succeeds with NMM reminds me of a funny comic I saw on DeviantArt (this one: https://www.deviantart.com/doublewbrothers/art/What-If-Celestia-01-825078009 ), which kinda toys around with "what if the Mane 6 never existed?".
And having a theory from Sawtooth about all this would be really interesting, to see what they(Is it correct? I never used non-binary pronouns) thinks. (Even though that's a lot of stuff! XD)
To recap...
-How was Luna present during the Discord timeline? How was she reformed?
-Why wasn't Luna banished to Tartarus 1 000 years ago when she first turned into NMM?
-How was Celestia banished to the moon?
-The video of Sawtooth about "How did Chrysalis succeed" brought up another idea: What if Celestia wasn't actually banished to the moon but captured somewhere else and the banished to the moon thing was some kind of "public propaganda"?
-How do the elements of harmony work?
-Why don't they cause areal damage?
-How is the punishment selected?
-Why don't they "reprogram" the mind of the villains?
-Where is the powerlimit for the elements? (Maybe they just aren't powerful enough to get deep enough into the mind of somepony with raised magic-protection)
-how do you activate the elements? Like how do Rainbow Dash, Rarity and Apple Jack, Ponys that well... don't really qualify for their representation, activate their elements?
-How powerful are the Overlords? (Pretty my term for Luna, Celestia and Discord lol) How powerful are friendship and love?
And no problem for the reading and replying, having comment discussions on YouTube makes a lot of fun, it played a big part in saving me from being bored during Corona XD
@NeuroEmpathJewel I've got a darker theory for how Luna was present in the Discord timeline...
1 likeWhat if the Luna there wasn't the "real" Luna?
When NMM returned, there were no Mane 6 or elements there to reform her, so Celestia had to fight NMM herself. Now what if Luna somehow died in the fight and Celestia later created a "clone" of her in an attempt to reduce her own pain and guilt?...
Ah, screw it, I am in the mlp fandom for comedy and to cheer myself up (and ponies shooting each others with lasers), not some dark stories!
@scifi DINO You pretty much got every question we tried to answer here! Good job, it can't have been easy, there's so many mysteries still left to be solved. Also, I love the name the Overlords for Tia, Luna and Discord lol, it suits them. And yes, Sawtooth has asked to be referred to as they/them, so you're using it right, don't worry.
2 likesYeah, (some) YouTube comment sections really are great in getting you to think and letting you forget your worries for at least some time, and this community has been a part of that joy for me as well, thanks to people like you.
Here's to hoping Sawtooth puts their brilliant mind to these questions and gives them an answer! ✨
@scifi DINO Haha you're right, I see this as possible only if MLP was a universe with dark stuff like this. But in the universe we live in, our beloved ponies are colorful, light and wholesome. Maybe in all alternate reality where MLP was dark, this could happen? Now if only we could travel to alternate realities and see for ourself...
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1 like"Now if only we could travel to alternate realities and see for ourself..."
Now we need somebody with the username "Starlight Glimmer" to reply a "Hello there" under this one! XD
@scifi DINO That would be the icing on the cake! I'd reply a 'General Kenobi' for the memes though lol, if you understand this reference ;)
2 likes@NeuroEmpathJewel Of course! I'm Star Wars Fan too!
1 like@scifi DINO Sweet! I know Sawtooth is as well, I remember being so surprised when Sawtooth brought up Ashla and Bogan and the legends lore of Star Wars in the 'Elements of Disharmony' video wayyyy back in the day.. you never know what you'll find here!
2 likes@NeuroEmpathJewel My knowledge is mostly post-Naboo crisis to pre-battle of Endor, I have to say that I basically know nothing about the old republic XD
1 likeI found out that Sawtooth was a Star Wars fan when I saw the "finally solving the royal guard" video where they was like "Good, twice the Sawtooth, double the horse theory" XD
@NeuroEmpathJewel I just had another thought: If Starlight messed up reality in this timeline, why can't Starlights of other timelines mess up theirs aswell? Our Luna problem would be solved (in a not-so-tragic way) if this Luna was simply pushed into the Discord timeline from another timeline where she was reformed! XD
2 likesWe would get an enormously confusing and wired together multiverse complex where nobody would know who comes from which timeline!
That could also explain why for instance Minuette and Doctor Whooves share the same cutie mark! Like what if Doctor Whooves was like thrown here from another timeline where Minuette had a different mark and the "doctor of this timeline" has another cutie mark? XDDD
@scifi DINO Cool, Star Wars is Star Wars, you do you, my friend. I'm pretty deep into Star Wars lore though, canon and legends, especially the Old Republic era.
2 likesAlso, I'm not sure if this was a grammatical mistake or not, but you used 'they was'. People who use they/them pronouns use the correct grammar to go with it, so to describe a non-binary person, you'd still say 'they were' instead of 'they was'. Only difference is that it applies to a single person rather than a group of people. If it was just a typing error, then no problem, but if it wasn't, I hope I could clear things up for you
@NeuroEmpathJewel Oh okay, thanks for the clarification :) As said, this is my first time using non-binary pronouns, so I thought like "well it's singular, so I'll go with "was"" XD
1 likeAnd Star Wars my Star Wars knowledge tends to go more in the direction of spaceships, weaponry and technology in general (again, mostly post-Naboo crisis to pre-battle of Endor😅)
@scifi DINO .... That's actually genius.
2 likesWe don't know how many timelines there exist in total, and how many Starlights exist who want to get revenge. Perhaps when Starlight casted the spell, it caused a rift in the multiverse and caused this to happen?! Wow, I love this theory, cause it is still very much possible, and makes total sense to me! I agree it would be huge and universe-shattering, and this could actually align with another theory Sawtooth made called 'Starlight's Multiverse'
In that video, they say that since those timelines still exist and are the way they are because of Starlight, she and all the ponies with the hour glass cutie mark travel between worlds to set things right and make sure the Mane 6 meet in all of them. Perhaps, if that theory were true, part of their mission would be to return everyone to their original world!!
@scifi DINO no problem, buddy
2 likesLike I said, Star Wars is Star Wars, and there's something in it that interests everyone, so you can pretty much pick and choose which part of it you'd like to know, and there's probably at least one piece of media that would cover just that. It's the beauty of Star Wars, really.
I'm really interested in history and lore, thus my fascination with the Old Republic
@NeuroEmpathJewel "We don't know how many timelines there exist in total" For me the answer is unlimited timelines, which equals unlimited Starlights that want revenge.
2 likesAnd I just realized this entangled and confusing multiverse complex could serve as a great parody/comedy XD
And unlimited timelines would mean that these time ponies would try to do the impossible XD Maybe one timeline can only interact with like 1 000 other timelines and they just kinda try to shove all ponies that don't belong into their timeline out of it?🤔😂 Also very fun to think of
Also "how many Starlights exist" kinda reminds me of ForgaLorga's videos! XD (great mlp animation channel)
@scifi DINO True, since the possibilities are endless, there are unlimited different ways something as large as the Mane 6 not coming together can impact the multiverse, and that means no one person can fix all of it. This implies the multiverse is permanently broken in some parts, which is both really interesting, and really confusing to think about. In Sawtooth's video about Starlight's Multiverse, they only mentioned the timelines we saw in season 5, as they are directly caused by our Straight. But perhaps, seeing as there are several Starlights, there could be several of them trying to set it right, or the way I see this working, each reformed Starlight (I say reformed cause at least in a few timelines, there's gotta be unreformed Starlights) fixes the timelines she created. So, our Starlight fixes the Chrysalis, Sombra, NMM, Discord, Flim-Flam and Tirek timelines (all the ones she sent Twilight to. Also I didn't mention the 'nothing is left' timeline because I'm not sure anything can be done in it). Meanwhile, other Starlights from other universes fix the timelines they created (which are different from the ones our Starlight created) so balance can return to the Multiverse. Does that make sense?
1 like@NeuroEmpathJewel Well it is confusing to think about unlimited stuff, because unlimited is... well unlimited. It really is just something a human mind cannot really comprehend. A small fraction of unlimited is still unlimited, so even if 99.9% of all timelines are cleared, there will still be unlimited not cleared timelines.
1 likeAnd then there is the question: How many timelines did our Starlight really create? Sure Twilight visited 7 (was it 7? I think it was 7 XD) timelines, but how many unvisited timelines are there? Every second, unlimited (there it is again, the super confusing term) new timelines get created (unless there is like some "universal tick-speed", then you could say that every passing "tick" generates one timeline, but now assuming this "universal tick" = 0, you would get a new timeline every 0 seconds), so you have unlimited "created" timelines for every Starlight. Now... Were they even created or have they always been there and Twilight just had her "timeline access" changed?
Also another meme I spontaneously thought of:
"Also I didn't mention the 'nothing is left' timeline because I'm not sure anything can be done in it"
Terraforming: Am I a joke to you?
@scifi DINO Haha, your point about terraforming is true, and I didn't think of that lol. I was speaking from a 'get everyone back to their original world timeline' perspective, but you're right! That world can still be saved.
2 likesAs for your point about the multiverse, now that I think about it, Sawtooth's theory hinges on the fact that Starlight created them, because then there is a finite number of universes that she can fix. The infinite possibilities comes when each Starlight from those 7 universes creates their own timelines, from which more Starlights create their own timelines, etc. But if our Starlight were to travel back in time to those 7 universes, say, for example, in the NMM timeline, if she traveled to before NMM returned (season 1 episode 1 but the Rainboom never happened), and warned Celestia, and brought the Mane 6 together herself, that would lead to Luna's reformation. Then, our Starlight would travel to meet her alternate self and lead other Starlight to Twilight, to possibly learn alongside her and prevent other Starlight from ever creating more alternate timelines.
This prevents other Starlight from time-traveling and breaking the multiverse, and if does was done with all 7 Starlights and Mane 6s in the 7 timelines we saw in Season 5, that means
A) if Starlight created those timelines and no other universes exist, she prevented them from ever existing by saving herself from her path
B) if infinite timelines always existed and Starlight merely allowed access to them in s5, then by saving herself from ever time traveling, she's locked those timelines from ever being visited, and letting them play out without intervention
Both of these seem like a win to me. One could argue that a multiverse in MLP has always existed due to the comics (Sawtooth's other Multiverse video) but from just s5, if Starlight wanted to correct her mistake, these 2 ways are how I see it playing out
@NeuroEmpathJewel Now that we are talking more about time travelling than Luna, let's ask the ultimate question: Why didn't she time travel to prevent Sunburst from being taken or to prevent the loss of her village? She has such a powerful device at her disposal, but instead of trying to repair her own losses she tries to cause more destruction and suffering.
0 likesAnd the other point about Starlight just preventing the other Starlights is kinda interesting, like thats like really entangled time travel... Like one travels to another universe and then back in time in that one and teaches her other self to not do bad stuff and how to time travel, then that other self travels to yet another dimension and so on and so forth XD It then will go on infinitely XD But what would happen then? Would the ponies that don't come from this timeline originally disappear? Or will it still stay mixed?
Man, this is so confusing! XD
I love that Sawtooth explains all this just to have their past self do the exact same thing in the future, creating a loop, after explaining loops. Very clever, Sawtooth.
0 likesTime travel is so incredibly confusing I swear-
6 likesThere are no dislikes because this video is so amazing and intriguing.
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Too soon
0 likes@Raptor Zeraora atleast the dislikes are 69
0 likesAround the time this video came out, I had come up with a theory that the way this loop happened was, there was a disaster and twilight needed to fix it! She sends a letter to Celestia, who suggests going back in time to warn her past self with the time spell from the star swirl wing. After going back in time and coming back, she and the rest of the mane six use the elements of harmony to stop the disaster.
1 likeAlso, imagine the loop is still going on to this day in G5
Hey, this was a very cool video! I doubt you are the first person to explain that thing with the knowledge that came from nowhere in time loops, but you did a great job explaining it, and you did it with a fan favourite time loop.
0 likesTechnically... a disaster DID happen in that episode.
2 likesTirek got lose from Tartarus BECAUSE Cerberus left the gate.
Yes, it took 2 seasons for him to gain enough power to become a threat, but it still happened.
This is a really good explanation for a time paradox, thanks I would haver never get this idea.
1 likeThis is really solid I can't actually find any flaws to this
1 likeHere's a new question tho, what would have happened to each Twilight prior to the paradoxical one after the Time-Spell had ended?
Applying the same concept you had in the theory of Starlight's Time-Travelling, it'd likely be that each Twilight is still in her own timeline. Would that Twilight's timeline be affected at all by the time-travel? Surely it wasn't just fully deleted or smth
Hey, love your theory and love that doctor strange reference. I think I have something more to add. What if that actual disaster in the first iteration was the changing attack on center lot. Perhaps the first future Twilight was coming back to warn her past self in an effort to stop Queen Cryslis before she invaded Canterlot.
0 likesAwesome!!! You're so smart. I could never come up with that theory. This is a great theory and it fits perfectly. And I think that's exactly what happened without hesitation. I knew your video had to be amazing, since you kept us waiting for two weeks.
0 likesLove this concept, Can't wait until you post again! BRO-HOOF!
2 likesI really love how you integrate the topic of the video with the context of the video! It's something that inspires me to become a content creator one day ^^
0 likesOkay, now I can use this knowledge to explain where the peach came from in the Milo Murphy’s Law time loop (in the episode “Missing Milo”).
0 likesFor those who don’t know, at the time in question, the characters were about to run right into an army of pistachio monsters, but a peach was thrown at them to stop them so they would see the pistachio monsters and not run into them. Later, they go back in time and see themselves about to run into the pistachio monsters, so they throw the same peach at themselves to warn them, but then they have this big existential crisis of where did we get the peach?
So basically what Sawtooth would be implying based on this theory is that the characters originally got caught by the pistachio monsters, but they escape, get the peach, and go back in time and throw it at themselves to warn them. But now they have the peach and can just use the same peach over and over again.
At a later episode, “Fungus Among Us,” a similar thing happens with a letter Milo wrote to send to himself in the past. He just decides to use the same one instead of writing a new one. So before that time loop started, he realized he needed to deliver a letter to his past self, so he writes it and delivers it to his past self, who then uses it on his next past self, and so on and so forth.
Now I just want them to explain that peach throw paradox in Milo Murphy’s Law. I wonder what sort of starting incident they could come up with.
1 liketl;dw the solution to the bootstrap paradox is that traveling in time the first time and altering events eventually leads to a time loop occurring. In this case the loop occurs due to Twilight trying to fix a problem she already solved and traveling in time out of paranoia. (of course it’s not a true loop as minuscule, unobservable changes may eventually lead to different outcomes)
1 likeSo, according to that theory, that means after a time travel, there's no way to go to a past point of the same timeline? Since eventually it modify the results of said timeline, creating a different one, so even in a timeloop, all the timelines are still different ones, generating infinite timelines?
1 likeHold on, if the loop that twilight made was repeating over and over again, then how was it stopped or maybe it wasn't
4 likesIn Doctor Who's case, the Tardis could've influenced the Doctor's lever choice via the telepathic circuit.
1 likeGreat video as always Sawtooth!
4 likesKind of remind me of the Milo Murphy Law where when MIlo with the time traveler duo got hit with a peach that warn them from the pistachio army. Dakota keep it and then when they three come back way early, they saw their other self about to get capture by the pistachio, so they throw at the past self and give us a really big and confuse question "Where the heck that peach came from?"
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And Cavendish was like "Wait a minute. Where did you get that peach?" And Dakota was like "Someone threw it at you earlier." And Cavendish was like "But that someone was me." And Dakota was like "I know." And Cavendish is like "But where did I get it? And Dakota was like "From me." And Cavendish was like "Yes, but where did you get it?" And Dakota was like "Someone threw it at you earlier." And Cavendish is like "But that someone was me!" And Dakota is like "I know!" And Cavendish is like "But where did I get it? And Dakota was like "I know" And Cavendish is like "But where did I get it? And Dakota is like "Someone threw it at you earlier!" And Cavendish was like "But that someone was me!" And Dakota is like "From me! And Cavendish is like "Yes, but where did you get it?" And Dakota is like "Someone threw it at you earlier!" And Cavendish is like "BUT THAT SOME —"
1 likeSawtooth is putting to much effort in this we should appreciate him 🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗
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Thx for the like 👍
0 likesWe should appreciate "them", not "him". But yeah I agree.
4 likesSo, with this all in mind, how can a timeloop logically end, if it can end at all? How did Twilight manage to get out of all of this and stop the time travel, leading her to continue with the story at some point?
0 likesSawtooth didn’t just solve Future Twilight’s Paradox…
2 likesHe solved the entire Bootstrap Paradox
This is confusing but just listen(read) When the loop started (where the disaster happened )(future) twilight went in the past. Before the disaster happened. Future twilight tries to tell past twilight about the disaster but past twilight’s worrying led to the head band eyepatch and other. But there is a problem. Past twilight must have to go through the same because that is how time works, but she didn’t. Future twilight went in the past. What happened to future twilight sparkle never happened to past twilight. Past leads to the future. If Past twilight had a change, future twilight should also have a change. So that means future twilight never existed. Cause everything happened differently so did twilight. Time had a slight change. And if future twilight never existed the loop would have never happened in the future. You see the problem here. But I also have a solution
3 likesSolution: future twilight went in a alternative timeline. Cause twilight was smart enough to figure this out. That solves this problem
I loved it.
2 likesIt was the first MLP episode I ever watched.
I actually really needed this another show! It just ended today in bootstrap paradox. I don’t know all the details to explain it to myself but this really helped me understand! Thanks!
0 likesOH MY GOD YOU LEGEND. The bootstrap paradox has plagued my brain for so long, in various media, always making me frustrated. And YOU EXPLAINED IT. I can die peacefully now
0 likesMy theory was that one of the Future Twilights was from an alternative universe that, like Starlight, went back in time to change the future, thus creating the paradox. Or perhaps it was the wrong spell which instead of going back in time, she went into another universe to stop something that was never going to happen in the first place.
0 likesHoly shoot... have you any idea how many time-traveling-involved movie timelines this resolves? This is a perfect explanation!
0 likesI mostly don't mind an information paradox like this, but I really love this theory! And I love Doctor Who!
0 likesCan you please do the young 6 stain glass window from “The Last Problem” next
11 likesSERIOUSLY ITS KILLING ME
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your guess is as good as mine!!
5 likes@Sawtooth Waves you manage to do Sumbra’s origin story so this should be easy for you
0 likesWhen you watch a theory video expecting it to solve your doubts but it ends up making you more confused
1 likeWhat if the disaster was Cerberus, and the first Twilight had a slightly harder to much harder time dealing with it, maybe because Fluttershy would be at Pinkie Pie’s party, causing her to try and warn past Twilight what she was going to have to do, and that she would need Fluttershy’s help, but of course not getting her point across, and causing the loop.
2 likesU just made my day by posting and this very logical!
9 likesCongrats on coming out, so proud of you! Also I know it's been 4 months since the gideo's come out I'm so sorry, congrats! Also my head hurts, this was kind of confusing
1 likeOf course! It all makes sense now. That was something that always confused me. Thank you for this video!
0 likesOkay, first off I'd like to say that I like this theory, for both the two mini doctor who episodes and the future Twilight episode. It makes sense and keeps in line with the rules of time travel. But something you overlooked, or thought that it didn't fit the script, or some other reason, it effectively stops them from being a bootstrap paradox.
1 likeFor a bootstrap paradox to be.....well, a bootstrap paradox there is no determinal origin; that's what makes it a paradox. The most famous explanation of the bootstrap paradox is the time traveler that loved Beethoven's works, so much so that they go back in time to meet him, but upon arriving, finds out that no one knows who Beethoven is, not even his supposed family. The time traveler, who cannot bare the thought of a world without Beethoven or his works, decided that since he has copies of the sheet music, writes them up themselves and effectively become Beethoven. The question is who was originally Beethoven and wrote up the notes in the first place? Since that can't be determined, that makes it a bootstrap paradox.
Since your theory proposes a timeline that has am original starting point, that makes it so no paradox is formed.
Sorry for rambling and to reiterate, I do like your theory and do think that it's quite possible, I could just talk about paradoxes all day, and how freakish and impossible they are
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where no potential origin is feasible, those situations may just never happen.
2 likes@Sawtooth Waves Exactly, that's the entire nature of a paradox; something that can't/shouldn't happen, otherwise the entire universe could collapse into itself.
0 likesTime is a big ball of wibbly wobbly, timey wimey stuff, and a paradox is a square of impossible things
........I should be asleep and yet I'm discussing about paradoxes at 6am ^.^'
I love this concept of a sort of time spiral that settles into a flat loop
0 likesThis was such a clever theory! That makes a lot more sense 😁
0 likesWould you ever do a video on Flutterbat?! Because I ADORE your videos and theories
1 likeHmm I've personally always believed that you could never change the past because it's something that already happened, so I neve found paradoxes like this odd however it was definitely interesting. 🥰
0 likesThis is Sawtooth’s most confusing video yet but as always I throughly enjoyed it. (even though my head is still spinning)
0 likesThat makes sense! I like how you compared it to a Dr. Whooves episode. c: I also like your side stories with your other selves, so I don't mind. ^^
0 likesBut if before the disaster, and the first twilight went back in time, when the future twilight we know would go back in time, wouldn’t there be three twilights? Or maybe it erased the original twilight and made the twilight we know.
2 likesPlease do an episode on how height works in My Little Pony? A first I thought it was just princesses who got to be tall, but Twilight is regular-sized, and Tempest and Big Mack are not princesses (unless you count that one time in ''Do Princesses Dream Of Magic Sheep?'') but just about reach Celestia's shoulder. I'm confused and in need of answers.
2 likesI always thought that Twilight heavily freaked out about her schedule and tried to go back into the past to fix it causing past twilight to worry, try to disaster proof equestria (not recognizing the signs because they weren’t there except for possibly the scar like they said in the vid) maybe another iteration before getting to the loop we see in the show, but anyway that to me would keep the sentiment of her trying to tell herself not to worry in the iteration before and the perfect loop we see in the show. I’m not saying Sawtooth’s theory is wrong or anything just saying what I always thought happened + a little more thinking inspired by their outlook on it
0 likesMade a D&D character based off twilight using the design from this episode. Thanks for the free backstory m8.
1 likeSounds a lot like the time the doctor was imprisoned in that maze for billions of years until he broke the diamond wall
2 likesNow I want to know how Sawtooth originally learnt the answer, and travelled back in time
0 likesI just watched this episode again and i had so many questions
4 likescan we appreciate how sawtooth changes outfits like all the time for special occasions,
0 likesthat is too much effort remaking sprites on top of everything else,
we gotta give some credit to the artist of those sprites man
this is always how i thought quantum loops work, the thought just never solidified in my head
0 likesI'm pretty sure what they showed in the episode was met to explain everything. The loop paradox began the second Future Twilight cast that spell to warn Past Twilight to not worry so much, that was basically her trying to talk to herself in the past. As in there was no Future or Past Twilight, it was just Twilight.
0 likesHow do they analyse this show so well I could never lol
0 likesI think it started with Cerberus wrecking the town, then the next iteration the bridge collapsed because the dam broke, but they didn't notice the dam broke. The next loop, they fixed the bridge but noticed the rush of water that broke the bridge. Then Twilignt had the idea to dend Rainbow upstream to fix anything else. Something went wrong and Rainbow must have told Twilight looking like an insurance ad. The next iteration, Twilight sends Rainbow upstream again and thia happens for a few loops. Then Rainbow decides to look for problems because I feel like Twilight would have brought Rainbow this time and Rainbow said something. Basically they try to prevent disasters that they notice along the way, becoming slightly smarter each time until say they see a cliff with a loose face. That would be bad if it collapsed, crushing the town below it, which impacts trade around the country because they have access to a rare resource whoch is needed for medicines and certain technologies. These technologies wouldn't get shipped to the companies that buy them, which don't have them to sell to other companies, which can't get the money it would rake in to fix things like bridges and dams, leading to, well, societial collapse and Twilight going back in time to warn her past self. I also think the loop could evolve further, if some future version of Twilight realizes the chain that caused her existence in the first place. She could write a list as she fixes various things, and bring that list back in time with the eventual instructions to rewrite the list so it doesn't degrade. This list is important because it will eventually lead to future Twilight looking less and less like future Twilight as she realized to protect herself against the things that made her lookclike that in the first place. This loop will eventually evolve into future Twilight handing past Twilight a list of things that can go wrong with instructions on how to fix them and to prevent injury to her. Once my ideal loop is reached, Twilight could hone her magic skills a bit and practice going back in time again and maybe modify the spell before Starlight comes on the scene, likely leading her and Starlight never to become friends because she has the power to stop her before she ever becomes a problem through Dr Who-like abuse of time travel. This would lead to the space-time continuum being damaged beyond repair and Twilight's warning and loop being erased as the multiverse it created merges with itself erasing time going both forward and backward, meaning the time travel spell never existed because Starswirl never existed. Equestria would be a nonexistent prepetually burnt, tidally locked rock of a planet because Celestia never existed to rotate the planet that doesn't exist. The Big Bang of that universe would never have happened so time was never invented by the universe, leading to a universal superposition of existing at all points at all times and existing at no points never. However, the Dr Who time loop would probably not evolve further until The Doctor starts wondering "Wait, why the wibbly lever?" and starts that loop over again with "Definitely the wibbly lever." and it continues as we saw it.
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Existential crisis much?
0 likesNext vid Sawtooth will be talking to their human self... or whatever stickbugs turn into
21 likesI love this! How did I never think of this sort of thing before?
0 likesTotally did not expect a doctor who clip, LOOOOOVE it
1 likeWhenever i think of a bootstrap paradox, i think of the song of storms from oot.
0 likesBy this logic, i wonder if the windmill man came up with the song himself and taught it to link but after it was too late to stop ganon. This would give link a reason to go back in time and teach it to the windmill man earlier.
I genuinely had no ideas on how a bootsrap paradox could start before seeing this video and now i feel like I've had so many questions answered
i thought i was the only one asking myself those questions about the episode!! now i feel a lil more relieved!!! hahaha
0 likes(i mean, i thought about all this, but putting my theory onto words even only in my own head was impossible! lol
good job tho!!)
I love the whole idea of the time paradox, and the explanation, it's awesome. I think you should make a video about what happened after twilight star pupil went to ponyville, I mean I know you did one on her parents but look at it this way. Scootaloo, Sweetie Bell and Apple Bloom are a bit older than twilight star pupil, meaning the time occured way into the future, Starlight runs the school and Teilight in herself is the Princess of Equestria, but as she mentioned every since she became the princess of Equestria and taken over Celestia school she hasnt gotten the time to really teach friendship and even though they meet once every moon, if there is a friendship problem twilight and maybe her friends wont be able to tend to it, cause twilight has more on her shoulder as it is, this is known because of the time when Starlight switched Luna and Celistia cutie mark we saw the challenges they went threw, so the question is would Starlight take over and become the princess of friendship under twilight judgement, will her pupil be the princess? I think maybe her pupil have a chance of that possibility due to the last episode as to where she went off with her new friends a Griffin, kirin and other creatures. The shared love and friendship between crestures can be even more powerful than it was between ponies this was proven in the episode when twilight first open the school, galus and his friends having a treehouse, talking to the tree of harmony, defeating cozy glow and also helping twilight in the time discord made a mistake in reuniting and making Crystalis, Cozy Glow and Tyrek , it wouldnt necessarily be Sandbar since be is 1 an earth pony and 2 males cannot be Alicorn, so I think Twilight pupil, Luster Dawn and that might be her destiny in it self and why she was sent to the school of friendship in ponyville
0 likesI literally was like “Has Sawtooth posted? I’m gonna go check soon!” but I forgot and now I just found their video and started watching🙂
1 likeYou have created new theory in science because of your great deduction on this Twilight Paradox! NOBLE PIECE PRIZE!
0 likesi think that's a solid time travel theory, I never knew about a diagram of zigzags and a half circle could represent a time loop. also I don't mind other yous, the more the merrier
1 likeI completely forgot about those "possible disasters" that Twilight prevented!
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1 likeI have a few things to say about this so, hold on tight! The Bootstrap Paradox is not an impossible situation, it’s a form of time travel. For example, in Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban, there’s a point in which they use time travel. 🛑Spoiler Warning!🛑 I’ll be vague, two of the characters go back in time to stop someone from being killed. They end up saving two lives and not just one. One of the characters before-hand had tried to save the first victim they had to save. They saw someone save them and the other character with one spell. They think it’s their dad, but their dad is dead. Later, when they travel back in time, they realized that person was them but in the future! The only way all of these characters are still alive is because of the Bootstrap Paradox! At least, that’s how time travel works there. However, there’s one more thing I should mention, the time travel in that universe sent them back three hours. And at the end of it, they go back to where they were before traveling just as their past selves leave so THEY can time travel. Then, we focus on what the future selves do for the rest of the series. I hope this makes sense. When I saw this part of the movie, time travel made a lot more sense to me. Maybe it’ll open others eyes as well!
Hey Sawtooth. The fact that someone powerful is required to manually raise the sun implies that Equestria is tidally locked to its parent star. This means that in order to raise and lower the sun you would need to turn the wnole planet. I don't know for sure, but turning even a small planet enough that the day lasts a normal amount of time (say round about 20-30 hours) would take a ton of energy. This would explain why it took an entire team of the most powerful sorcerers to do so before Celestia came along. I also think Equestria's surface gravity is less than Earth's due to the fact that it doesn't take much to get a whole horse to fly, even a beefcake such as Bulk Biceps.
0 likesWhat if the disaster was one of the timelines Starlight caused with the scroll, then when the Twilight from that time line went back in time, they messed something up, and went too far back? But then Twilight over worries, and then that timeline of Starlight's is destroyed, putting into motion the events of the episode we see? It's a bit confusing, but it also kinda fits-
0 likesBasically it’s a time paradox with an infinite time loop! If you guys want a simple terms of explanation, basically play the video game Time splitters future perfect on the original Xbox, PlayStation 2, or GameCube! Your doing a really good job with time travel videos, and anyone with interest of time travel would lloovve the time splitters series!😉
0 likesIt honestly never even occurred to me to make any sort of linear sense out of this episode, or any other time travel story. I guess I'm just okay with things being paradoxical. What makes this explanation great though, isn't just that it's plausible and neat-sounding, it's that it has that one quality that elevates all things that possess it to legendary status...
0 likesFanfic fuel.
honestly those Doctor who shorts I really questioned how the doctor knew which lever to pull I was thinking maybe he read the manual for piloting the tardis but the solution you came up with is more logical
0 likesThank you so much this was one of the only things in mlp I had a hard time with... Now if I can just figure out what the spell twilight cast at the end of season 3 actually did.
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Though I have a theory that the spell killed her using the elements and took her and the personalities of the other 5 to make the tree of harmony's personality all the whole celestia was using twilight's now dead soul from being killed to make new alicorn twilight. That's the o ly way a friendship spell killing you could makes sense
0 likesThere's a whole Netflix series about the endless loop. It is "Dark" (original's on German) and you really should watch it. And the Thing with Twilight always got me insane bc of no explanation!! So yep, same question
0 likesTwilight somehow knowing the spell and telling past Twilight reminds me of how link knew the song of storms, it’s theorized that it was young Link who taught the guy in the windmill the song of storms but wen adult Link goes to the windmill he’s taught the song of storms by the guy in the windmill, that loop doesn’t tell us who wrote the song of storms lol
0 likesYou're not wrong with a paradox starts is always ends up like unstable but when you figure out which is which and what not to do tells the past self what not to do until they find the right one and after they find the right one they stabilized the Paradox making it infinite. I'm amazed you didn't figure this out earlier it's common paradoxical knowledge
0 likesWait a moment... Pinkie Pie made contact around the end of the series with the magic of Discord from that bell thing. It's magical involvement with Pinkie Pie ended up getting through from one end of time to the other, possibly causing a loop in the first place throughout the whole series, then causing a relationship between time, space, and Discord's magic in general. Possibly it's the reason why we have Discord from the very beginning, and his magical involvement and abilities, leading to several events that get caused by the magic being in their world. Maybe this one needs some more looking in to?
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Yeaaa
0 likesI actually thought this couldn't be solved and was just an inescapable plot hole but I guess you proved me wrong. This "multiple iterations" concept does make a lot of sense.
0 likesTime travel is head hurting.
4 likesI like that. 😁
This was very easy for me to follow and this is the first time I have heard anything like this. My imagination just got bigger.... Lol. Thanks for this video!!! 😀.
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You made very good points here as always
0 likesBut now we need to find out this loop
This was honestly one of my favorite episodes of the show! Unrelated but my goat had a baby today :D
0 likesPLEASE make a habit of this!
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Like, not every video, but as a running gag kinda? I dunno
0 likesJust re-watched the episode and it made me think... what if Pinkie wrote that spell? Paired with her abilities to see dangers and various other things who says she did didnt make it when she "found" it?
0 likesLittle did we know the real future Twilight was from an alternate future where the machines rule equestria. She used the spell but went to the wrong timeliness starting the loop
0 likesWaiiiit
5 likesIf there is a "Future Sawtooth" is there a human one?!???!
(Saw theme)
I always thought the same way, that some paradox don't start just like that, but that went through several things to get vto the perfect loop. Sometimes I even thought that I was just crazy
0 likesThis Makes Perfect sense and i love you for explaining this
0 likesGreat idea, but here is my problem. Just WHAT was the original disaster??
0 likesWe have seen Twilight face horrible events AND villain attacks before. But never once did she consider such a solution. At least, whatever happened in the original timeline NEEDED to be worse, then both Nightmare Moon and Discord...
Bootstrap paradoxes like this are interesting. This displays how it's possible to explain some becoming loops that don't have to start as loops. Others are seemingly impossible to ever be able to begin, so there's no entry for the loop. Examine a loop in the Harry Potter universe, where Harry saves his past self's life. I've not been able to come up with any possible way for that loop to "begin" from not being there in a persistent manner.
0 likesLovely to see this reviewed, to help my inspiration for a fanfic that begins with this timeloop.
This was so great! Not ony explained MLP timetravel episode, but also DW TARDIS paradox scene!!!! I love both of those shows! Do you also analyze DW similarly as you do with MLP?
0 likesWhat could the disaster be? How does the first Twilight, who travel back in time, look? How many time has the loop run since the first travel?
0 likesYa know him making videos even after it ended he’s been making more theory’s and more and it’s amazing and you can tell how determined he is!
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They, not he.
0 likesTwilight's overthinking literally created a time paradox lmao
1 likeVery confusing but I kinda got the hang of it at the end xD
1 likeLove ur vids!!
I wouldn't have thought of that. I thought it was just kind of grandpa's paradox, not that it could mean anything more.
3 likesWholehearted agreement, except for one thing. Twilight did so much disaster proofing, we can have no way of knowing what happened in the original timeline. While it's possible the first Twilight to time jump only had the suit and cut, it's equally likely she was the future Twilight we know, or worse. There are multiple ways Twilight could've gotten those other injuries. The first Twilight to time jump could've had a gaping hole under the eyepatch instead of a blinded eye. We could've seen the first Twilight to jump at the beginning of the episode, or we could be well into the time loop, there's no way of knowing.
0 likesafter I watched that episode I thought about the paradox, n it really bothered me. future twilight K N E W that past future her worried herself with the time travel. if she thought about it she would have realized going back made things worse, or she could have shut past twilight up to actually tell her not to worry.
0 likes,,but if going off your past disaster theory it would start the whole loop again
intresting stuff to think about lol
note : I kept losing my thought track in-between writing this, I kept getting sucked into the video lol. sorry if parts of this dont make sense
This is literally making my head spin 😵💫
2 likesI like your explanation because it takes the Bootstrap Paradox and explains it, removing the paradox element using an image of... shoelaces (it's a shame that shoelaces aren't the same as bootstraps because that would've made it the perfect image. But it's a related image, so it at least can work with the theme).
0 likesHowever, explaining Doctor Who's Bootstrap Paradox with that episode doesn't follow with Twilight's Bootstrap Paradox. In Twilight's case, by... shoelacing the Bootstrap Paradox, it doesn't fix the paradox problem, it just replaces one paradox with another. It turns the Bootstrap Paradox into the Grandfather Paradox. If there was a catastrophe that Twilight went back in time to prevent, preventing that catastrophe prevents that version of Twilight from existing to go back in time to warn herself of the catastrophe. However, if we go with the Alternate Timeline theory of time travel, it takes what was a Bootstrap Paradox and turns it into an Infinite Regress, which is not a paradox (or at least it isn't if you understand the nature of infinity).
My Infinite Regress explanation uses the same principle as your explanation. The only difference is that an Infinite Regress doesn't have a starting point.
And here's a little fun thought. Each time a new part of that infinite regress is made, it accounts for new fanfic (assuming it takes place after that episode, it doesn't change any physics or lore of the world, and isn't an AU story.
I think when Cerberus broke out twilight got worried and then got her eyepatch, scar,mane and the bandage and that led her to time travel which caused the loop
2 likes3:32 I don’t actually agree the doctor is a time lord and is extremely intelligent and is able to know things without process of elimination as seen during during the episode where river song wanted to kill hitler but the doctor didn’t want to because even before killing hitler he knew the possible effects of that action
0 likesi know how it started
1 liketwightlight must have done something we don't see in the show
she must been so embarrassed she time traveled to warn herself but probably made a chain of event witch made a gap in time line bending it to a circle and anthorer line was made called trapper forever in a dum circle.
I have always been wondering about this and you just explained it you are the best. I like dr.wolf and all but he does not pose questions and give answers about g4 anymore.
0 likesI feel like the original question is... How do this paradox begin? Like what lead the first twilight to pass through all that and time travel to warm pass twilight, starting those same events over and over again
0 likesPLEASE DO MORE STORYS/SKITS LIKE THIS
0 likesYessssss new theory, my day is made
25 likesI never even thought about this.. I just assumed it's a loop and never think much about this episode
0 likesNow I kinda wish you played Little Nightmare 2 because there's a whole time theory thing that's been confusing fans for a while
Imagine expecting a lesser experienced self becoming just as experienced just because you shared your vast experience.
0 likesNo.
They have to go through the same experience you did in order to get it.
Otherwise it goes over their head.
I reasoned this a long time ago; if I was to time travel and warn my past self about a mistake that I shouldn't repeat...my past self wouldn't get it and just continue on with making the mistake.
Interestingly enough, it's not quite the same with children when we teach them our experience while guiding them with advice.
What if the initial disaster that Twilight went back in time for was somehow related to Tirek? Since the events with Cerberus would supposedly happen no matter what.
0 likesI was under the impression that one was not to question time paradoxes. I'm glad others hate them and want explanations as much as I do.
0 likesGod dammit! I have watched both the Doctor Who episode and the MLP episode and I never made the connection between the two. Especially when I too asked the question "Wait where did the information originally come from if it's an inescapable time loop? Where's the original 'entrance'?" on both occasions. I also bet the writers didn't mean to intentionally create Bootstrap Paradox with this episode. It just happened. Also, as a side note, time travel is truly impossible to understand no matter what media you use even when it's solved.
0 likeshearing sawtooth refer to themself with they/them at the beginning gave me way too much serotonin
0 likesI was waiting for someone to address this. Thank you!
0 likesoh wow this is my exact theory on time loops, you explained it better than i ever could though
0 likes6:48 That would mean if Future Twi was able to prevent past Twi from time travelling the disaster would happen again, and Twilight would be stuck forever
0 likesI remember seeing doctor wolf talking about something like this you could do a collab! 😉
4 likesI’m curious- did you ever do a theory on why ponies like Mist Mane and other unicorns back in her time had curved horns?
0 likesI love how you did it the concept and thanks for answering my most confusing question of my little pony ❤️❤️. Biig Fan love your videos
0 likesI always thought this was common sence! Jt will take multiple tries for finding something out right. But those alternate timelines are far away and we can't see them. Lol. Or maybe I watch too many time travel paradoxes and explanations-
0 likesSo The loop for saw tooth goes like this so originally he had to figure this out all on his own and he feared that his past self might not know The lesson about the never ending loop he needs to know so he goes to the library and find the time travel spell then he tells the past sawtooth to go back in time as well and that’s how I think it happened
0 likesCome to think of it... What if someone just lets the events unfold as they are? As long as it's not hurting anyone of course.
0 likesSpeaking of Time Travel, maybe you can do a Butterfly Effect video based on the season 5/6 finale (can't remember which one) where Sunset Shimmer goes back in time to stop the Sonic Rainboom. Honestly, the implications of that episode(s) is one a lot of people don't really think about much anymore. (unless you already talked about it in which case I'm just being stupid again, as per usual)
0 likesi like how he uses proper science to explain a supposedly nonsensical children's show
0 likesIf this is the case I wonder what that means for the Doctor Who season finale where the Doctor is locked in the Pandora's Box and has to save the Universe from imploding on itself by getting a young Amy Pond to open the box. I won't give spoilers but I will say this, there are bootstrap paradoxes EVERYWHERE in that episode. I wonder how many alternative universes that took to get one consistent loop upon loop upon loop within loops of information.
0 likesI had a theory about the unicorns glow from the horn!. So each unicorn have a specific glow when they use their magic right. So that would mean they would be able to identify the unicorns in a way, so why didnt anyone realize that queen chrysalis was actually cadance? Their horns (& objects) glow differently but no one realised? Maybe the ponies cant actually see the other unicorns horn glowing, maybe no pony can, or only that unicorn using the magic can see it. Because if u could see the glow then queen chrysalis would of been defeated and cadance would of been fount then the entire "changling breaking the shield" or shining armour getting week wouldn't of happened. But thats just my theory.
0 likesIf anyone sees this u can gladly share but dont say it was ur theory when clearly it wasnt :)
MAN THIS IS AWESOME! I just thought that it was a completely random thing that could happen anytime anywhere somehow, but this? Damn! (I was waiting for your video 3 hours prior when I remembered what day it is :DDD)
7 likesHow did the sun set in School Raze part 2, if Celestia, as well as all the unicorns, had lost their magic?🤔
1 likeEh, I kind of like my own idea better: Trixie accidentally sends Starlight Glimmer to this time and hearing Twilight's recollection disguised herself to prevent a Paradox.
0 likesI think we just kinda think of time in too linear a fashion. In real life time gets distorted all the time. Gravity distorts time in the same way it distorts space. More to the point though, I'm far from an expert but (I hear) quantum mechanics also don't always follow our "A causes B causes C" concept of time. In quantum mechanics you can get a scenario where A caused B and B caused A with no clear first cause. Funky things are bound to happen when you poke holes in time like this for time travel, where pairs of events can cause each other with no clear first cause.
0 likesBasically, our normal intuitions just aren't built to handle situations like this, since we evolved to live in an "A causes B causes C" world
Or it's the ontological Paradox, where a peace of information doesn't have a meaning, it exist soly for it's own existence.
0 likesOr the Pridestination Paradox, where going back in time to stop a specific events is what causes the event to happen in the first place.
Or it's a Temporal Causalty Loop, where event a causes event b which causes event c what in return causes even a again.
There are a lot Paradox stuff that can explains it better. And I think some of them make some more sense than your explonantion.
This is actually a really good explanation
0 likesHeres two theorys on what the disaster could've been:
0 likes1: Maybe the disaster was grogar returning but since future twilight messed with time travel to go to the past and the past twilight getting too curious about future twilight, future twilight caused something to happen in the past that caused grogar to stay banished in the stars.
2:Or maybe the disaster is grogar did return and there is a big war against twilight and her friends and grogar and eventually grogar meets the other villains like chrysalis, the half pony/goat guy who steals the pony's magic( I forgot his name), and cozy glow, and maybe discord(who knows maybe grogar had heard about discord and was searching to meet him but maybe by the time he finds discord, discord would be reformed)
I have an alternative suggestion on how the paradox might have started.
0 likesIn the timeline we are shown twilight spends her week trying to prevent a disaster from happening but in the original timeline without future twilight she would have done something else in that time. Let's say she went to a party of pink pies and pinky accidently put cake batter into her confetti cannon resulting in an explosion of cake batter. This is just one example but it could be anything that twilight could describe as a "disaster" (you'll see why later).
Also in that week she might have been sending and receiving scrolls with princess celestia resulting in her finding out there are time spells in the canterlot archives. Naturally twilight would go there to look at the spells and her love of studying magic would urge her to try out the time spell. (We see in the episode "magical mystery cure" that it is like twilight to cast a spell just for the sake of research)
When twilight arrives in the past, peat twilight has lots of questions "OMG how did i figure out time travel? Does it hurt? Whats the future like?". Twilight tells past twilight about the week yet to come mentioning pinkie's party where "there was an explosion of cake batter, it was a disaster". Past twilight, in her over-excited state isn't really listening and future twilight gets sucked back into the future. Past twilight's reaction: "oh no, where'd she go! Did she say something about a disaster!"
The rest plays out quite like how Sawtooth explained with twilight unknowingly accumulating the signs of future twilight while trying to prevent a disaster. Although it could have taken a few more times of twilight just going back and telling about her week, each twilight exaggerating pinkie's "disaster" party, becoming more like a game of time travel Chinese whispers. Ether way it leads to the paradox we know.
This seems apt since low water stores and cracking dams and bridges etc don't seem to me like they would cause a disaster big enough to coaxe twilight to travel back in time if left unfixed like Sawtooth suggested. They are both good theories, this is just another way the paradox could have been made without a disaster actually happening.
You've learned well, little changeling. Not many can grasp the true nature of time travel!
0 likesConsidering that the episode involves Cerberus, perhaps the grand disaster involved it’s inhabitants? Maybe even Tirek? What if Cerberus wasn’t brought back in time, so Tirek managed to steal magic perhaps from the other creatures there? If so, he could start causing problems immediately, prompting twilight to go back?
0 likesConsidering that the episode involves Cerberus, perhaps the grand disaster involved it’s inhabitants? Maybe even Tirek? What if Cerberus wasn’t brought back in time, so Tirek managed to steal magic perhaps from the other creatures there? If so, he could start causing problems immediately, prompting twilight to go back?
0 likesFunny you should bring up Doctor Who! Twelve explained events that cause themselves are called "Bootstrap Paradoxes." Trying to prevent the future is what locks it in place and makes it inevitable.
0 likesThe same type of loop happens in ocarina of time, where young link meets guru guru in the windmill, but later meets him in the adult timeline, where he learns the song of storms from guru guru, which means link has to go back to play the song of storms in front of guru guru, which means, link taught the song of storms to guru guru, which is basically a repeating time loop, it’s wibbly wobbly timey wimey stuff.
0 likesNow we need matpat to make film theories about other MLP problems lmao
0 likesSawtooth: I need to stop talking to myself.
2 likesThe aftereffects of isolation.
I love alllllllllllllllll your videos sooooooooooo much! Keep the good work
0 likesActually I'm interesting in the portal on island in 'Summer Breakdown'.Do you have any idea about that.I assume the Storm King magic and the magic that make venus trap alive came from that portal.In 'Rainbow Rock' Twilight mention Star Swirl used to banished the three sirens to the human world.Is it possibily the portal that Star Swirl banished the three sirens.That portal is hidden under quick sand. If Star Swirl didn't open then who?
0 likesThe thing you have to realize about the Bootstrap Paradox is that it isn't. The universe is under no obligation to conform to our limited linear expectations, and so (assuming time travel is possible) it almost certainly doesn't. The universe doesn't care what we mistakenly think is or isn't possible.
0 likesOf course, in a fictional world the rules of time travel can be whatever the writers want them to be, so time travel could exhibit iterative convergence to a stable loop like you described. One could even argue that such a theory is the best way to reconcile Twilight's time loop in season 2 with her encounter with alternate timelines in season 5 (though I'm personally on the fence about that). Still, there doesn't have to be a secret origin. According to our current understanding of how time travel should work in the real world, time loops would simply be as they are because they are, without any means to trace everything to a source outside of the loop, because to be otherwise would be a paradox. A time loop with an origin would mean the future is changing its own past and thus itself, and that's not allowed. In other words, what we're actually dealing with is the Bootstrap Unparadox, in that it must happen in order to avoid a paradox.
It also the time crash when the fifth doctor saw the tenth doctor dose something because he remembered what his future self did. You can also compare it with a self fulfilling prophecy where as you know the future you find anyway to change it resulting in that prophecy to accrue.
0 likesI think the disaster would be started by Cerberus escaping, making the dam break and washing away the library and Twilight's notes.
0 likesWhen the bootstrap becomes the balanced spring. Everything piles down in an event until the spring just starts bouncing forwards & backwards.
0 likesheres a question, can you do another video about the everfree forest because last time we didnt know that starswirl and the pillars kept it under control,and there are so many new info that we can possibly connect to know the origin of this forest
0 likesI mean, returning Cerberus didn't stop the disaster of Tirek returning while it was gone. Grant the big issue didn't happen the next Tuesday morning, but still. Now that I think about it, why didn't the guards or whoever do anything about him escaping after finding out he did?
0 likesI have moved from this subject and attached myself to minecraft yet I still continue to watch this dude, idk why.
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I’m not sure if sawtooth okay or not with the term ‘dude’ but they’re non binary so keep that in mind :)
0 likesNow I know how to prevent all bootstrap paradoxes!
0 likesI HAVE AN IDEA FOR THE DISASTER. because sawtooth said that the cerberus event would have already happened then it could have been possible that a terrible moster other than tirek could have gotten out and cause a terrible crisis
1 likeThe proper time tripping term for Bootstrap Paradox is a "Reverse Causality Triad".
0 likesDude I think you just solved paradoxes. Things I was not expecting to see in a video about pastel ponies.
0 likeshey have you ever noticed that sombra has strange similarities to kirin? the curved horn, connection to blueish flames and negative emotions. and what looks like it could either be his helmet or a part of him has those scale like plates on his face, and they mysteriously vanish in season 9 after the kirin were introduced almost like the writers were aware and tried to cover up that detail. maybe king sombra has kirin ancestry in there.
0 likesActually there was a disaster in this episode regardless of if she worried or casted that spell or not. The real disaster is that when Cerberus left tartarus Tirek escaped tartarus.
0 likesThis explanation, while perfectly valid, necessitates the existence of alternate timelines in order to work. And granted, we know alternate timelines can be a thing in the MLP world because Starlight Glimmer would later produce several a few seasons later. But the thing about alternate timelines is that it's really less time travel and more just someone jumping between differing universes in such a way that it gives the illusion of time travel. For a truer form of time travel, there's really only ever the one timeline involved, where all events of a timeline are already "written" and accounted for, including all acts of time travel. Thus, a time traveler goes back to the past because history dictates they've already done so and must do so now in order to prevent the inevitable paradox that would ensue if they didn't, because that's the state the universe would be naturally inclined to favor.
0 likesSo even though that means the mere act of time travel is in of itself a bit of a paradox and that you still have to allow for certain paradoxes sometimes like "It's About Time's" bootstrap paradox in order to explain it all, I'm kinda more inclined to still favor that explanation, because to me that's the better example of a classic time travel story.
Plus, "It's About Time" just presents such a well-written example of the bootstrap paradox that I admittedly do kinda wanna go "aw man, don't go ruining the bootstrap paradox like that! That was brilliantly written on the crew's part!" and thus do SOMETHING to justify its existence as-is. :P
FINALLY I WANTED TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENED
14 likesSo your non-binary. That’s really cool saw tooth.
2 likesLove ya sawtooth your amazing.💜
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We dont truly know that, thats like saying someone's lgbt just because they have rainbow on their profile pic, they might just like rainbows
0 likes@Raptor Zeraora Sawtooth says it in the description of their channel, I checked before I made this comment
0 likesI remember the saying "You can't change the future because it already happened in the past"
0 likesI didn't know you were nonbinary!! I am too!! 🥺 that's amazing
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We dont know that, dont assume things
0 likes@Raptor Zeraora in their about section on YouTube it says "Nonbinary Changeling"
2 likesI didn't assume anything
@Raptor Zeraora They also said it on their twitter
2 likesYES! YES! WHOOOOOOOO!
0 likesWonderful job Sawtooth.
Another example of the bootstrap paradox in Doctor Who is the short special Time Crash 2007 in which the 10th doctor meets the 5th doctor, which ends up with an information loop that saves their lives.
0 likesGreat video! (Also I love your flower, so cute! <3 )
0 likesHave you considered making non-mlp related videos in the future? It's not that I don't like the content right now, it's great, but it would be cool if this channel had more variety
1 likeI noticed you use the non binary flag, that’s so awesome! Glad to have you in our community! 😎
0 likesCan’t wait to watch! :D
6 likesAh! I remember watching the past video of this, cool to see it so many years later :')
0 likesI will just agree with this, This theory is just as plausible as any other, and I am ok with it
0 likesMy head hurts from how confusing time travel is 😰
0 likesFunny thing is that when I did a presentation on time, time travel, paradoxes, alternate realities and stuff, I did actually Mention this
0 likesImo, first twilight just wantet to try this spell, and she appeard near twilight from this timeline. She was looking normal but It was enough to be scary for our twilight number two. She started this mess, thinking there's a threat, and when she found out there is no danger she wanted to tell Twilight that she don't have to worry and this is the story from this epizode. There was never anything dangerous, she just found a new spell and It went wrong.
0 likesI agree with this and we never did get to see the Ogrinal Timelline the one where it happend but a Simlar idea is that the Future has already happend Twilight was Always going to go back in time No Matter what as thats how the World might work she found out about the spell becaues her past self told her about it and thats also how she found out about so either this one big loop that always happend no matter what becaues of how the world works or there really was an Og timeline we never got to see
1 likeI connected that short episode of doctor who to twilight's loop and this makes lots of sense only if you watch the episode itself
0 likesThank you I have always had that question Ever since I watched it keep figuring questions out
0 likesThe process of elimination from guessing or something found to say it when it is already found before it is found
0 likesLost doc poster of Celestia
Return Cerberus and the scar
Vase Falling down
Twilight Sparkle doesn't recognize the signs
Stop time time travel and no disater never strikes
Even logically impossible is
The main idea is the same
Deeper unseen process
Some iteration came and said
I think future sawtooth might be right, aldo I also think that there is another possibility. I think someone else wrote something similar in the comments, and I agree with them, they wrote it before me so it's their opinion and this is just my take on it. I think current Twilight, the ruler of Equestria, went back in time to tell her past self not to worry about every little thing, she told her that she'd become ruler of Equestria one day and that everything will always be fine with her friends by her side. After that past Twilight freaks out and starts worrying that she isn't up to the task. Alicorn Twilight was worried about it at the beginning of season 9 so it's no stretch to imagine that unicorn Twilight would worry even more. Because of her worries Twilight decides to disaster-proof Equestria in order to prepare for taking over as the ruler even though that wouldn't happen any time soon. After thinking that she still hasn't done enough and is still not ready, Twilight tries to stop time, but after Spike and Pinkie convince her to stop worrying she travels to the past to tell her past self not to worry but her past self is to excited and she doesn't have time to tell her. That causes past Twilight to freak out and then the loop starts. That's my take on it, and again I say I think someone wrote something similar in the comments and I agree with them.
0 likesI’ve been thinking… if friendship is magic, than why is twilight an element?
0 likesAWESOME VIDEO!
3 likesthank you so much for making this
0 likesa man of similar intellect, I see.
You and Doctor wolf are tired for my favorite mlp theorizing channels! Please make lots ASAP 🥰🥰🥰🥰
0 likesIt's so confusing! Like whole "DARK" series
4 likesTime travel is by far the most confusing thing
0 likesIt makes my brain cells die
Nice. Addition: The moment Twilight told Pinkie Pie about these worries/future Twilight - Pinkie gives Celestia a heads up -- leading to the guard opening the door for Twilight! Oh and how does this flood/broken bridge/Doggie-run effect the OTHER timelines caused by Starlight's spell? After all, without Twilight in Celestia's school, friends and defeating Nightmare Moon, would she have done that?
0 likesThis theory actually makes a lot of sense.
0 likesKeep on talking to yourselves 😁 and as for the peridoxes, they ALL could happen one way or another
0 likesThought you were gonna use "Before the Flood " as your example from Doctor Who, but "Space" and "Time" works too.
0 likesTravel to the past always complicates things.
0 likesHi I'm river! I have a theory that's been in my head ever since I realized gusty the great was also a major part of the g1 series of mlp, so like what if every generation the story gets more recent? Like g1 series explains all- well most of what happened in the past plus the other 2 gens but mostly gen1, this theory was also more proven cause of gen 5, it was literally a representation of how the world will be in the future. Idk just a thought for a new video maybe?:)
0 likescan you do a video about why we didn't see a daybreaker timeline in the season 5 finally?!
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It’s because luna was banished to the moon long before the mane six were even born so there is no way starlight preventing the rain boom would have made Luna realize she could dream walk or whatever it’s called.
0 likes(if you have seen the day breaker video sawtooth made this will make loads of sense)
LoZ: Ocarina of time has something similar Adult-Link learns the Song of Storm from Guru-Guru then goes back in time and and Young-Link teaches Guru-Guru the song.
1 likeDoes one need a start? I mean, if we assume that the loop has always been there and there is no need for start?
0 likesIn my opinion there are 2 types of time traveling. Perfect and imPerfect loop.
I get key from future self and open a door and hand the key to pas self -> The key will brake from use and the loop is imPerfect
I get key from fuutre self and open a door and take a key from the table and hand it to my past self -> I keep the future key so there is no braking parts in the loop making it perfect loop.
The imPerfect loop will open up with X time while Perfect loop will go on for ever.
The start can be as simple as me having ability to come to past and my future self coming past to tell me the information and to make it perfect loop I use it to go past and tell my self how I optain the time traveling -> I'm not allowed to Give my past self the time traveling machine as then it becomes item in a loop which will brake and causes imperfect loop ....
I JUST watched this episode and had this exact train of thought...what are the odds?
0 likesTap 7:09 and then 0:10 to see the time travelling in action!
2 likesbasicaly how I imagine it was, is why I never understood why people seem to have issue with this loop, maybe initiating time travel was just tes of spell she randomly found, who knows what she would do if she wasnt on her safety-quest, maybe she would go study and randomly find this, and over several instances of time traveling back, it settles on this loop, most likely we will never know what initiated this time travel loop but surely there isnt anything imposible on this (if considering time travel is possible)
0 likesWow you blow my mind that was amazing but idk if this can work in a loop situations I mean look at the shoe Rick and Morty there are supposedly infinite timelines mabey our time line is the time line where they fixed the problem and there were countless other time lines that got it wrong and ceased to exist but idk just a thought
1 likeThe loop having an entry point is possible, but not the only way it can work.
3 likesIn my opinion, we only think the loop is impossible because we experience time linearly and we don't understand how it can be non-linear.
It is difficult to wrap our brain around the concept, but maybe causality just works differently than we though, and time-loops can happen just randomly.
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the quantum world is certainly non intuitive, so who knows what's truly possible, or even logical!
1 likeHave you ever made a video talking about how every alicorn is female? Like have we ever seen a guy alicorn? Am i missing someone?
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Sawtooth has made a video about Shining Armour potentially being the first stallicorn in equestria (since all alicorns are female). That was a while back though.
4 likes@saifur rahman I'll watch it, thank you!! :D
3 likesi briefly covered it in the stallicorn video, but basically i think it's just a statistical fluke. flip a coin five times and you just might get the same result.
3 likes@Sawtooth Waves ooooohhhh, that makes sence! Thank you for responding! :D
1 likeYou finally solved it!🙀
0 likesThis acutely makes a lot of sense but my head still hurts just thinking about it 😂
0 likesI wonder if there's a time where twilight realizes that she doesn't need to warn herself bcs the past is the past
0 likesThis youtuber... is a mad genius. Who knows if he will make a time travel machine one day.
0 likesSawtooth, I, LOVE, the flower in your hair!
0 likesGenius! Love it ❤❤❤
0 likesThis makes a lot of sense. It kind of makes my brain hurt though!
0 likesThis is completely unrelated to the video but could you do a theory on Alicorn magic?
0 likesIn the first episode of S3, the crystal empire, celestial used an example of king sombras dark magic. Then S4, Zecora told twilight to use Alicorn magic and she did but it was the same type of magic sombra/celestia used
I hate and love time travel stuff
0 likesIt's confusing yet so addicting
Oh and btw this does in fact help out a bit
I'm so glad you agree with me on that time paradox
0 likesI love doctor who, I love the bootstrap paradox, and I love my little pony
0 likesA time loop to fix a budget crunch that would have happened otherwise. Hilarious.
0 likesHow would twilight know how to travel in time if she never got in the room that future twilight told her about
0 likesAnother timeloop The Doctor encounters is between season 3 and 4 in the short Time Crash, when 10 meets Peter Davidson's 5th and David Tennant's 10th stops their fused TARDIS from exploding by doing something 10 only knew would work because he had watched 10 do it when he was 5 himself.
0 likesi am a man of culture
0 likesif sawtooth uploads i watch
Did you know Cerberus is pronounced "KER ber us"? This is because in Greek the letter "C" is never pronounced as an "S". As a matter of fact, the Romans spelled the name "Kerberos".
0 likesJust like how "Icarus" (spelled "Ikaros" in Roman) is pronounced "ICK er us".
this makes me think that maybe cerberus has the cause of the posible bad timeline, cerberus is the only thing that doesnt change so to think that it may cause a desaster because the town has in bad shape and the only rason that future twilight prevented that is that past twilight got over her head with the vague warning meant and just fix everything in ponyvile, so the desaster has avoided
0 likesThis was bloody brilliant!!!
0 likesBut, wait, if twilight is stuck in a time loop, then how could the series even possibly continue after that point, if future twilight always goes back, unless if the loop was somehow broken
0 likesAfter watching this I replayed the beginning to hear they say "challenge excepted." XD
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*Them. Sawtooth uses they/them pronouns.
0 likesMlp will always live on in my heart hopefully gen 5 gives me the same feeing much love to yall
0 likesThe FUTURE sawtooth stays, not the past one. That means that each future self goes back to replace the past one, unless they go back to normal off camera. But if they did replace themselves, then the sawtooth from the first timeline is gone.
0 likesWow but imagine the TVA was there in that time parodox
1 likeI love this explanation
1 likeTheory: The dam break and flooded all of ponyville and twilight is the only one who survive. And Celestia introduce her into the the time traveling spell that was in The Starswirl wing and the rest happen.
1 likeSo..the present Sawtooth went and created another paradox so we are now left with future Sawtooth?
0 likesI have something for you to work on. How did sweet apple Ackers have electricity in the first alternate reality that starlight made
0 likesWhat's the music you use at the end of your video? I really like it and want to listen to more of it.
1 likeI cried when i saw your pfp. Now I don’t feel alone.
3 likesWhat if the disaster was Cerberus getting out releasing terek early and destroying all pony life much sooner then planned in the show and as a last resort twilight jumped back in time to warn herself of what was to come, but because of twilight over eagerness to know everything it caused her to worry and in doing so it caused the loop we all know now
0 likesIt's funny how you mentioned the bootstrap paradox and then used examples from doctor who because the 12th doctor spoke about the bootstrap paradox using and example to do with beatovens music
0 likesWhat if its an even bigger loop and what happens is that twilight realizes that her going back to warn herselg causes her to go back and such so she doesnt go but then the catastrophe happens which resets the loop all the way back to tue beggining
1 likeYou should do a video on what the disaster could've been
0 likesFinally we have been waiting for 3 weeks but we knew that you going to be late, but where is your evil clone that wants revenge for you forgetting about him
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Wait is the evil cloan nonbinary too? I mean it is a cloan so probubly??? Sawtooth help?
1 likeokay but wait a minute.. when celestia defeated nightmare moon she used the elements right, how did she have SIX elements with twilight's cutie mark on it? in the episode where the mane six go to the elements of harmony to defeat nightmare moon twilight said "when the spark is presented, it will cause the sixth element to appear" then how did celestia had the sixth element before them? (cmiiw!)
0 likesThis is assuming a multi-dimensional quantum convergent timeline. A strictly 1D timeline cannot do this because it would overwrite each time, so it CAN'T change in the manner shown. Then a bootstrap paradox is resolved by time being utterly deterministic. What happens always happens.
0 likesAt the time that was the general theory. However, the S5 finale showed Equestria does not operate on an eternalist model.
The term 'quantum convergent timelines', incidentally, is taken from the anime "In Search of Lost Time". Itself named after a French novel but they aren't really related.
The multi-dimensional I added since it requires a 'personal' timeline to work, which since it isn't being over-written must be distinct from, though generally collinear with, the worldline. See further PsiStarPsi's work (https://www.deviantart.com/alantarx/art/Brony-Journal-Issue-1-755009800) demonstrating the S5 finale requires at least 3 dimensions to visualize, though it can still work in 2 (since we can arrive at the original timeline without crossing every one in-between, we require 3 dimensions to show it, but with some clever geometry we can make the time continuum itself a 2D manifold embedded in 3-space).
I love how the missing dog is tarak getting out
0 likesI had no idea you were non-binary
6 likesMy thing is HOW did sun and moon rised and set when cozy glow was holding all the magic under the school of friendship. Keep in mind celestia and luna were both didn't had their magic (and got back we can clearly see it) and artifacts and stuff stoped working so does other creatures magic so HOW the hell did sun and moon worked
0 likesas a big MLP and Doctor Who fan, I really like this video
0 likesbut wait, why was past twilight asking all these questions like "where did you come from" etc, if the future twilight wasn't speaking yet? Future twilight had just got there and original twilight didn't have future twilight to ask those questions to.
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(it made more sense in my head)
1 likeTime-stopping spell? I can see a reference coming...
0 likesSee’s Friday vid from sawtooth: WOOOO YEAH BABY
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Golly same lol
0 likesIf Twilight can’t find a paradox she’ll make a paradox, that’s how Twilight works.
0 likesIt's also called a temporal causality loop
0 likesI love your videos so much💕
0 likesGREAT SCOTT MARTY!!!
11 likesFun fact: this is called a “bootstrap paradox.”
0 likesThe classic example was explained brilliantly by the Doctor (google it)
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did.. did you watch the video
0 likesOnce you think you know something of a paradox your thoughts are turned upside down this is why we don’t need time machines though I will make an exception for the doctor
0 likesOh so that’s why it’s called the bootstrap paradox- never knew that!
0 likesBut what if Future Twilight succeeded in convincing Past Twilight to NOT worry? Will the disaster happen again and prompting another time loop?
0 likesU SHOULD HAVE BEEN THE CREATOR OF MLP DUDEEE!!!!
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Yeaaaaa
1 likeCan you do more on Daybreaker/Nightmare Noon lol. Like how she was able to overpower her sister only momentarily? I'm confused please help! Also what would happen if Daybreaker and Grogar fought who would win?
0 likesThis is like in math. Repeat an algorithm enough times and it will settle into a stable state or run off to infinity.
0 likesYou absolute mad lad/lass you actually have done it
2 likesI am not even sure a disaster did happen to start the chain it could be something like: Twilight feels like something is going to go wrong so she starts panicking, Her friends do what they think will help Twilight and she eventuallu calms at the end. Twilight being Twilight feels like she wasted a week goes looking for the Time Travel Spell but when Future Twilight keeps getting cut off my Twilight, she has to pivot and clarify which makes Twilight cut Future Twilight off more which starts the Loop.
0 likesConsidering Twilight out Twilight her future self, i can see her accidently getting worried over "Dont Worry"
What do you use to edit your videos
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nothing i would recommend, working on getting new software soon
1 likeThank you
0 likesIf the past twilight in the first situation did worry and did solve everything does that mean the first twilight to start the loop is out of trouble and the danger is no more?
0 likesI have seen Doctor Who before but I don't remember seeing Space and Time at all. I watched where Twilight time traveled to herself though.
0 likesbut what happend to the first Twilight after she went back in time?
0 likeshow did it go?
and how did Ponyvil look?
Omg what a coincidence I was literally thinking about this for a week
32 likesEdit:omg thank you so much for 15 likes it only the highest number I’ve ever gotten is 4
Edit again after an hour:23…..I think this is the best Friday night ever!
Edit again:I-………….I have nothing to say WITH 25 LIKES!?
Edit again:I keep coming back here and every time I get more likes! Omg I’m gonna scream
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Hello!
1 like@Smithsonian smith hello
1 likeDude
1 likeOne time I got like 600 likes
Get on my level
Ha ha Just kidding I have no level
Anyway
Congrats!
@[Generic Channel Name Here] lol thx
1 like@Anu’s mushrooms How are you?
1 like@Smithsonian smith I’m fine…
1 like@Anu’s mushrooms Are you okay because all those periods tells me you're not.
0 likes@Smithsonian smith what periods?
1 like@Anu’s mushrooms This .....
0 likes@Smithsonian smith ?
1 like@Anu’s mushrooms the periods you put after a finish sentence.
0 likes@Smithsonian smith I don’t understand
1 like@Anu’s mushrooms Nevermind just forget that I said anyting.
0 likes@Smithsonian smith ok-…….
1 likehe actually solves this, wow
0 likesFunny thing about this video is the fact he created a paradox while explaining it
0 likesRemember your tree of harmany-discord as yin yang theory one thing is still missing there are spirits of both chaos and harmony but no tree of chaos. Also if starswirl/grogar created discord, from that time he was training himself and his chaos magic and see how expert he was in chaos magic in s2 and 4. And frogs could have created one to make tyranny and one chaos and it still matches ep discordant harmony and grogar may have created only one chaos creature and that was dicord
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Frog was grogar
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thank you but no need! <3
0 likes@Sawtooth Waves I have a theory, has anything gotta do with the Other Worlds..For insatnce Sunset shimmer... in the episode..Sunset used World traveling...But theres nothing that proves she didnot go BACK in time OR IN THE future fir the pony world!...I feel the Poratl might be Something like that but It changes worlds eith the time..! Welp it was something i figured so thought id share!! Hope it gives u some lesd if u understsnd LOl
1 likeI thought of this when I first watched this, IM SO SMART
4 likesI think starlight was the only one who understood time travel
0 likesI feel smarter
0 likesEthier way I now want to find a fanfic about the original timeline with the disaster
had to find this video again. I've just realized something. how does the DJ pony's headphones work and where did they come from? obviously equestria doesn't have technology like phones and computers but she's always listening to something and they are completely digital. I know there is a pony named Doctor Hooves (a reference to doctor who) could he have possibly brought her from the future. or if not how did she acquire such headphones that don't seem to have a source. and to add to this no pony else in ponyvill who even sees her questions them either..
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I would say headphones are a thing in equestria. Different from cellphones and computers that would be hard to a pony manage unless that they are unicorns. headphones can easily be worn. Also i belive alot of functions of a cellphone and computer are resolved with easy magic or the ability to fly so theres no reason to have them. But im pretty sure thay old phones are a thing in Equestria.
0 likesI know I'm late saying this. But your video reminds me of a fantastic that had a similar event. I can't remember the name. But it revolves around twilight's mysterious death.
0 likesDid anyone else just notice the non-binary bg in the profile?
3 likesGood for you dude :]
Oh my god, you solved the paradox
0 likesi was down a deep whole of you tube and finally found you after so many years!
0 likesThis is just crazy and my head is also spinning ☹
1 likeFascinating
7 likesWhen you’ve watched the game theory episode on time travel in kingdom hearts and you probably know how it’s going to be explained before you watch this video and both franchises have friendship and magic but one is owned by Disney.
0 likesI haven’t watch the video yet that is just my prediction. If it isn’t that’s on me for writing this before I watch it.
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Ok he used dr who logic so I’m not sure if it works the same to every time traveler that tells there past self something this is going to drive me crazy time travel is weird.
0 likesOk he used dr who logic so I’m not sure if it works the same to every time traveler that tells there past self something this is going to drive me crazy time travel is weird.
0 likesI guess it makes sense, but I'm still confused. Time is a fikle mistress.
0 likesIt would make a little more sense if it worked like Dragonball Z/z Kai/super time travel
But I'm with everyone else, finally someone else asks this
Wait, if Sawtooth got this info from his future self, where did it originally come from? Hmm... 🤔
0 likesWait- how did I not notice the Enby flag in your pfp? Anyways- what are your pronouns?
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they them!
3 likes@Sawtooth Waves Got it :D
1 likethis guy solved a major philosophy question for my little pony
0 likesThe last timeline when starlight was evil and time traveling we didn’t think much of it but what if that was caused by all of the villains.
0 likesFor example, Sunset, or nightmare moon
Lemme posit another thing-- The Decaying Timeloop.
0 likesAlright
An episode of Milo Murphy, one of his friends throws a peach at their past selves to save them from an on-coming threat. His friend's past self picks up the same Peach, which will be used in their future, and perpetuate the same paradox. The gag comes in when two of Milo's friends debate on where the hell this peach came from.
However
This posits the idea of the Decaying Paradox loop. The important bit isn't that the Peach was there, its that its a Peach. A biological organic thing that, as far as we can tell, will eventually rot over the course of these loops. Eventually culminating into possible dust and decay of its core. Meaning that, eventually, the Threat will catch up to the Crew in a future timeline.
If the loop has an underlying start, as you were theorizing, then there is an underlying end (Because the only thing that is endless in spacetime as we know it, is Space itself). As you said, Twilight's Appearance escalated as the loop perpetuated, but because there was change to the paradox as it grew older, that means there will be a point where the paradox stops entirely or changes so much that the original intent is lost.
Whether this means that the loop starts all over again, cos the threat pops up, is up for debate.
... like where the hell the damn peach came from.
Sawtooth is smart. Zie knows what's up
0 likesOk thats a good question
3 likesThere was a doctor who 2 parter (before the flood and …) which featured this paradox and a monologue with an example
0 likesNow that mlp is over , it must be hard making more theories
0 likesOmg I was questioning the same thing then I thought of Cerberus and that maybe she was trying to warn herself about tirek escaping because of Cerberus leaving the gate for a bit
0 likesI wanna know if sawtooth waves is gonna write about what is gonna happen after the cartoon ends
0 likesyay u posted i've been waiting for a new video
7 likesI learned about the bootstrap paradox from Doctor Who.
0 likesflurry heart the friendship fire was created by freindship and when it forms it swirls and flurries around to make the shape of a heart .
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flurry heart friendship fire .
1 likeI don’t speak English very well, and I didn’t understand many things 🥲🥲, but I still understand that you are smart and have cool ideas ❤️
0 likesNah dawg this is impossible. Everything that will happen has already happened in another you's universe, and everything that happened before will happen in another you's future. Changing the past or changing the future is completely impossible.
0 likes100th Comment, freaking excited for G5! Soecially after the cast reveall!
8 likes“Y'all remember the episode where future twilight went back in time to warn her past self not to worry which caused her to worry in the first place?Which resulted in her going back in time and warning herself not to worry which caused her to worry in the first place?Which resulted in her going back in time and warning herself not to worry which caused her to worry in the first place?Which resulted in her going back in time and warning herself not to worry which caused her to worry in the first place?Which resulted in her going back in time and warning herself not to worry which caused her to worry in the first place?Which resulted in her going back in time and warning herself not to worry which caused her to worry in the first place?Which resulted in her going back in time and warning herself not to worry which caused her to worry in the first place?Which resulted in her going back in time and warning herself not to worry which caused her to worry in the first place?Which resulted in her going back in time and warning herself not to worry which caused her to worry in the first place?Which resulted in her going back in time and warning herself not to worry which caused her to worry in the first place?Which resulted in her going back in time and warning herself not to worry which caused her to worry in the first place?Which resulted in her going back in time and warning herself not to worry which caused her to worry in the first place?Which resulted in her going back in time and warning herself not to worry which caused her to worry in the first place?Which resulted in her going back in time and warning herself not to worry which caused her to worry in the first place?Which resulted in her going back in time and warning herself not to worry which caused her to worry in the first place?Which resulted in her going back in time and warning herself not to worry which caused her to worry in the first place?Which resulted in her going back in time and warning herself not to worry which caused her to worry in the first place?Which resulted in her going back in time and warning herself not to worry which caused her to worry in the first place?Which resulted in her going back in time and warning herself not to worry which caused her to worry in the first place?Which resulted in her going back in time and warning herself not to worry which caused her to worry in the first place?Which resulted in her going back in time and warning herself not to worry which caused her to worry in the first place?Which resulted in her going back in time and warning herself not to worry which caused her to worry in the first place?Which resulted in her going back in time and warning herself not to worry which caused her to worry in the first place?Which resulted in her going back in time and warning herself not to worry which caused her to worry in the first place?Which resulted in her going back in time and warning herself not to worry which caused her to worry in the first place?Which resulted in her going back in time and warning herself not to worry which caused her to worry in the first place?Which resulted in her going back in time and warning herself not to worry which caused her to worry in the first place?
0 likesJust.make.it.stop.
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To anyone who sees this comment, i dare you to read the whole comment
0 likesAt least it is a continuous loop that doesn't change the timeline. Hate it when shows or movies just make a thousand alternate timelines without doing anything about it
0 likesSAWTooth You're supposed to be taking a break from time travel!
1 likeSawtooth I have a question, how do you feel about the my little pony a new generation, and when it comes out will you make theories on it?
0 likesOMG THIS WAS-
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I loved it, i used to think of this topic a lot, itnreally solved it!
0 likesDid my man just solve the bootstrap paradox???
1 likeI have a theory. Since Twilight Sparkle rules Canterlot, who will rule the Castle of Friendship? The only thing I know is that it could probably be Luster Dawn after she makes friends.
0 likesPlease do a video about the timber wolves!! I have a theory if you’d like to use it. Basically in the episode “spike at your service “ spike gets saved by applejack which spike feels like he has to repay him for life. At the end of the episode spike and applejack get attacked by timber wolves. The way the wolves reconstruct themselves looks like it was ancient magic or some type of sour Rey as if some pony created them for a reason. Maybe the former queen of the changlings, or princess clelestia and princess Luna to protect the tree. Idk just some theory 😅 hope you see this comment!!
0 likesI came up with this same theory a while back!
0 likeswait when did the pfp change?! IS SAWTOOTH NON-BINARY?
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i am!
2 likesSorry if I missed something important, I don't really keep up with YouTube and I don't follow you on anything thing else.
1 like@Sawtooth Waves oh awesome, I am as well! What are your pronouns? Mine are it/xe/they/he
1 like@Cuber With a Camera they/them
1 like@SMG Productions thank you!
0 likesDid Tirek escaped Tartarus during this episode ? Because Cerberus wasn't there so it would be a perfect opportunity. Also if he escaped then when was he all the time until the end of season 4?
0 likesBro you have a really sharp mind these things are complicated but you make them sound so easy
0 likesWow so smart and easy to understand :)
0 likesThe problem is she was only rly worried she hadn’t stopped the disaster because she noticed the signs of becoming future twilight, but like you said those signs wouldn’t have been there with your theory so it probably wouldn’t have started the loop.
0 likesYes finally early I haven’t watched the video yet but I know it’s gonna be great
3 likesEdit: 1 like yes oh it me itself
you didnt just solve a MLP mystery but the actual irl mystery omg
0 likesOk so 3 ways this could have not happend
0 likes1 she could have used a spell on her past spell to get her to stop talking sinc she knew it was going to happen
2 she could have not told her past self as to not cause the worry in the first place
3 or she could pull a snails and “ not worry about it”
That's such a nice theory!
0 likeswAIT HANG ON IS THAT THE NON-BINARY FLAG IN THE BACKGROUND OF YOUR PROFILE
6 likesEdit: WAIT WAS THIS COMMON KNOWLEDGE HOW DID I MISS THIS HOLY SHIZZ NON-BINARY UNITEEEEE
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Hahaha it makes sense that people take some time to notice. It was very casual. They didn't make a video announcing it or anything. They just changed their profile picture and waited for people to notice. I can respect that nonchalant method. I kinda did it myself when I came out.
5 likes@SMG Productions i did the exact opposite lol. I was so scared of people’s reactions that i just woke up one day and pretended it was common knowledge. In hindsight not the greatest strategy but its over and done with now
3 likes@Gamovie Studios I feel you, bro/sis/sib. Coming out of the closet is very difficult, even if you know people will accept you! You might feel nervous or awkward or not know how to. I didn't know how to tell my family so I kinda just... Posted it on my Instagram story and waited for them to see it. I felt like I was chickening out but in retrospective it was funny.
3 likesWe dont know the reason why that is, someone could have that because they like yellow and white colors, its best not to assume things
1 like@Raptor Zeraora They have their pronouns in the about section of their channel and it says they're non-binary there to lol.
1 likeIt is likely about what you said but there might be more to it, eh we will never know, also TYSM for creating this channel
1 likeDon't know if you know this, but I think you solved the bootstrap paradox.
0 likesPlease find more versions of yourself because every time I see you talking to myself it means I’m not the only one who dose it and I’m not mad
0 likesHave a nice day
EEEEEEK
4 likeslove the doctor who reference at the end
1 likeWho else understands all the confusing time loops stuff sawtooth says but when your teacher says stuff like that ur like wa????
1 likeThe answer is simple think time not happen in a sequence but simultaneously meaning the going “back” in time is just you not existing in one portion of time but rather the other the going back hence everything has will and is happening from a perspective out side of time
0 likesI realize something about a while ago
1 likeStarlight Glimmer and one of the Dazzlings look similar (I’m not kidding) (:
Wow
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hehe
1 likeYeye
0 likes🕰I always assumed a time loop had to start differently for a time loop to actually start. But really they are started by people who don't shut up. ⏳
0 likesThat's pretty interesting but now my brain is hurting xD
1 likeTHE WIBBLY LEVER!!
0 likesWhat's my first line?
Ok kids, this is where gets complicated.
When Sawtooth waves is smarter then your mom-
0 likes👁👄👁Good job. This is a good video xD
Who is pinkie pie grandmother
3 likesWow, this is brilliant
0 likestime loops are amazing thats it
0 likesDoctor Who and MlP. I love it
1 likeNot sure if this relevant, but I just noticed. When Celestia and Luna loose their magic, their flowing manes stopped flowing. Nut, when they got their magic back, their mains started waving again. Maybe their manes are some what magical?
0 likesOmg I was waiting so much I’m so exited can you heart my comment oks it would be a dream! I love you’re vid btw
3 likesYay a loop in the past to the future to past to future and you know the loop
2 likesthe "disaster" was tirek escaping while cerberus was away from tartarus lol
0 likesI have a fair question this isn't from MLP but it's from another TV show Milo Murphy's law which also deals with time travel in one of the episodes one of the characters gets hit on the head with a peach another one of the characters then picks us up and puts it in his pocket after a few laps through different time periods they eventually end up at their first point and see their past selves something that their pastels did cause the character who got hit on the head with the peach to grab the peach from the one who picked it up and Chuck it in their direction which then in turns ends up hitting his past self in the head and the other character picks it up again so where exactly did the peach come from in the first place?
0 likesHiii I'm early And excited😊
3 likesSince the events are in a show and the show is written. The events from the POV of in-universe where always going to happen
0 likesWait how is sawtooth a unicorn in the future?! 😳
0 likesSo while our Twilight became a princess there were other Twilight’s stuck in this loop
0 likesOMG I WAS LIKE 6 WHEN I SAW THIS AND IT WAS MY FIRST CONTACT WITH THE CONCEPT OF A PARADOX AND IT BLEW MY MIND!
0 likesHey am early!
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Me too!!
0 likesMe too.... sort of
1 likeMe to ish
0 likesMe too- almost
0 likesMe too
0 likesYes
0 likesMe too
0 likesI love this theory
1 likeSo the twilight who continues the other seasons is the past or the future twilight? 🤔🤔
1 likeHi sawtooth I was thinking can you do a video on one of these things 1:reforming sombra/cobalt 2:what would sombra/cobalt look like with the real brogans magic
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Sorry sawtooth typo I meant to say with the real grogars magic
0 likesAnd in a game I made you because i ideal you is that ok
0 likesI thought it was referred to as a Temporal Causality Loop.
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the bootstrap paradox describes the logical inconsistency that comes with causal loops.
1 likeHi SAWTOOTH PLEASE REPLY !!!
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nope c:
1 like@Sawtooth Waves LOL U R FUNNY DUDE!!
1 likeLOTS OF LOVE FROM INDIA!!
Here is how I would solve it if I was future twilight. Future twilight: (trying to explain what not to do) past twilight: (not letting me speak) Future Twi: YO SHUT UP AND LISTEN
0 likesThat makes a lot of sense I didn’t even think of it
1 likeMy question:
0 likesWhy does the question mark at the start look backward?
Is my brain just messed up?
everyone talks about how its a loop when you cannot be for certain that its a loop. every time it happens some differences will be done and it may change
0 likesSecond view 😍
6 likesOr, or, and here me out here what if the future twilight was trying to warn the past twilight about Tirek? Tirek escaped when the big dog did, atleast thats Celestias theory, so the real warning message never got along. I mean, whats more serious than someone draining all of equastrias magic right?
0 likesWait when Luna came back from being nightmare moon she didn’t have wavy hair but how does that change? If Luna was from the alicorns civilisation and earned her wings then had her flowy hair why did it change. Nightmare moons hair was flowy why did it change to straight like twilight and cadences hair when they where equestrian pony’s and turned into alicorns?
0 likesAs a Whovian this ACULLY makes sense
0 likesSo... in other words, time travel confusing.
1 likeHi I am here
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Hi.
0 likesThis explains everything
2 likesYOOOOOOO THIS EPISODE WAS SO GOOD!!!!
0 likesseems logical time travel and time itself is complicated
0 likesWhat if it WAS the cause to the 7th timeline. It might be the loop but I'm not sure okay?
0 likesOo
4 likesYour theories about royals makes me think about the prince that is Celestia nephew..?
0 likesIf she keep going back in time they will be consequence in a timeline
0 likesplus if the disaster was big than how did twilight know the star swirl archives to bigein with and future twilight was telling past twilight to not worry so just how big was the disaster ? so the real disaster could be twilight worrying and getting the eye patch,scar,mane and bandage,so twilight travelled back in time to tell past twilight to not to worry I mean twilight said "what ever you do don't " this is where she stopped but at the end of the episode past twilight who had become future twilight told the same message except we heard the same but full message this time was "what ever you do don't worry" before "worry" future twilight came back to the present so the real disaster could be anything. So tell me what you think
0 likesearly 6th
4 likesPull the lever, Doctor
1 likeWRONG LEVER!
I legit got scared when you didn’t post last week (I HAD A DREAM THAT YOU DIED NO CAP) but OMG you’re back like ITS ABOUT TIME IM SO MAD— nonoonnoono making videos is hard I shouldn’t be mad but LIKE Ugh jJiiIouffdjsidjf IM SO GLAD YOURE BACK
2 likesHm ... your theory does work for Doctor Who, but it does not really work for MLP. For two reasons:
0 likesFirst: In the Doctor Who short, future Doctor arrives, present Doctor goes to the past, we are left with one Doctor. That's fine.
But in MLP, future Twilight shows up and vanishes and later present Twilight goes back in time and comes back. So, if this is a loop, but there is also a previous iteration of the timeline, shouldn't there be two future twilights in the beginning of the episode, one from this timeline and one from the previous one? Unless, of course, there isn't a loop and our Twilight has just caused yet another new timeline. However:
Second: The TARDIS can change the past. Starswirl's time travel spell can not, only Starlight Glimmer's modified version can.
So, there are no previous iterations, it is one loop.
Which leaves the question where the information about the spell came from. After all, the spell really is there, so this is outside information that can't have just originated in the loop. And I think the easiest answer is: It comes from Twilight's subconscious. She already knew about it, she just had forgotten.
hey what do you think of the mlp remake? honestly i find it a bit scary-
0 likesFirst
3 likeswell looks like we have a bootstrap time paradox and a mirror bootstrap time paradox in this video.
0 likesPlot twist: Sawtooth's time travel was a skit. That spell teleported them back to the Changeling hive where another Changeling pretending to be their "future self" came from
0 likesThis makes so much sense…🤯
0 likesSo sawtooth said a bunch of nonses at first, then goes back in time, talks more giberish, then goes back and finnaly het it corect?
0 likesAwesome and cool!
1 likeIn my dream I was confused when optimal optimus showed up from transformers beast wars and then it happened again until a explosion happened and ow and yes I got cort in the explosion and found out that the event was obcerd the event was that it was a break out of all the villain and they did a massive amount of damage and Tyrix was at full power
2 likesWhat about this time-loop
0 likes(the one were you go to your past self and this happens all over again)
Wait so did the distaster still happen since she couldn't time travel through her own previously established timeline since the past had happened so she might of prevented the disaster from happening from other time lines but not in her own so sadly in that timeline Equestria may be in ruins 😱😔😔😔
0 likesUnless the timeline she was originally in had a visit from an alternate timeline twilight she
🤔🤔🤔
The final of the first season of "Murphy's law". The battle against pistachios. Why a peach? Where did it come from?
0 likesTry to figure this own, strange unicorn
How did twilight get out of the loop then?
1 likeWOW, WOWOWOW
1 likeYou are a frigin genius!
Maybe do a video on the secret society that super agent sweety drops i wonder if there is more pony’s and or evidence I will be looking as well just a fun video idea thanks for reading luv ur vids
1 likeI agree but what disaster provokes the original future Twilight
0 likes5:11 It's not even a scar, just a papercut
0 likesYOU KNOW THE EMPERORS NEW GROOVE?
2 likeswe’re gonna get along- :]
This is so strange.. just yesterday I was thinking over how this makes no sense.. today I find this!
0 likesNow, this, this is epic
0 likesbut what happened to the other future twilights?
1 likeWhat if in the video of when starlight glimmer made all of the timelines, what if the one that twilight sparkle showed starlight glimmer, might have been the first timeline where twilight sparkle went to tell her past self, which told her past self, so on and so forth.
0 likestime travel is confusing in equestria
1 likeThis episode was confusing because past twilight had nothing to worry about in the first place, so twilight didn’t have to go into the past in the first place but then it loops around again because twilight had to warn the other twilight that future twilight was coming and she didn’t have to worry! WHAT AM I EVEN SAYING!?
0 likesThere’s one problem with your theory, the spell can only be performed once
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No because future Twilight would be the one to cast the spell not past Twilight
0 likes@Jayshel Guevarra facts
0 likespinky must have told the original twilight the things she have to do so that the curiosity of twilight will come and prevent every twilight from that disaster.
0 likescan u plz make a fan fiction on how flurry heart saved the crystal empire
0 likesSooo you could sayyy Twilight was dealing with... Time-space Shenanigans!? (HAHA HOMESTUCK!!)
0 likesOh wow it's been awhile since you've been on my recommended missed your theorys
2 likesEdit: just realized I haven't seen them in awhile because I haven't been using my main yt acc
Wow 😯, how do you come up with kind of stuff?
1 likethis shows youre smart as hell and no one outside of the brony fandom will ever realize it unless they're friends with you irl
0 likesDamn i remember when Brony Notion was such a small channel so many years ago
0 likesJust know one of your day 1 fans is still here Notion!🙏🏼
This is my favorite Sawtooth Waves video
0 likesEverything has been explained!
0 likesthe bootstrap paradox doesn't apply to one loop the universe what was before it but then what before that it is infinite because time can't restart and it will never end since it is an constant ya it is impossible to end it since there is nothing before but there is one thing time so ya it is impossible for the universe it is infinite and not able to end
0 likesGuys. He solved time travel.
0 likesSawtooth Wave by Nana something in season 5 episode 2 in the background when those Ponies were getting the Vault I noticed when the black one with white hair when you see her with her cutie mark the Pegasus person in the background the pony in the background who was also Pegasus had no Cutie Mark I know it's because of the line that was under his wing and when he was flying back to the village for the flying shot he had this to Vine
0 likesLove that you watch Doctor who lol its a great show I watch that.
0 likesWhat if Twilight again time traveled and told not to time travel then what would happen (will the first timeline will be repeated when there was an actual danger?)
0 likesWhat if sathwooth is a time traveler? 🤔
0 likesOnly a genus would make vids even after the show ened
0 likesDid you....did you just solve a paradox with ponies?
0 likes2:57 is too much for my brain XD
0 likesWouldn't the doctors be duplicating here?
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no, cause there's only two because one is about to leave and become the second
1 likeOh okay, thanks.
0 likesBut what happened to the "first second"?
Does that one now go to the control panel to try to pull another lever?
WHA DID YOU JUST STARTED YOUR OWN LOOP? THATS SOOO COOL DUDE
0 likesBut at season 5 final starlight did it and thats why twilight know and she just found a copy of spell
1 likeI've always wondered about this
0 likesfinally somebody who watches doctor who
0 likesor twilight just learned about time travel spell a long time before this
0 likesI'm sorry, but every time I hear the word 'paradox' I'm like..
1 likeIT'S BEEN SO LO--
Hey I love your Theory
2 likesAs soon as you mentioned Doctor Who, I just started stimming like crazy-
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omg a fellow fander on a mlp video 👀👀👀
0 likes@Fayil23
1 like:0 Hi!
@Logically Blue hii :3
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0 likesWho's your favourite side?
@Logically Blue logan and patton
0 likes@Fayil23
0 likesMine's Logan :D
@Logically Blue nice
0 likesIs no one going to talk how princess Celestia and Luna never really had a war from outside equestria. I mean they control the sun and moon. So really they had a massive amount of leverage for them. If any one invaded, then they might be robbed, of sulight, or cooked alive, if they try to invade equestria.
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On a side not, in the movie, there was crime and dictatorship all over the place.
0 likes...This...Was Not the MLP Video I Was Expecting...
1 likeFuture Sawtooth: So am gonna teach them
0 likesMe: Wait he goes by them pronouns?
Me after looking their channel about: Oh cool never noticed.
Make sense since most changelings seems to be genderless
IT ALL MAKES SENSE!
0 likesBut why did future twilight came to meet present twilight in the first place?
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watch the video to find out :0
0 likesWhat if you go back in time to the first disaster that happened then stop that?
0 likesTHE CAPTIONS ARE GOING INSANE
1 likeCan we appreciate and respect Sawtooth's pronouns here? Just notices. Sorry, friend
0 likesI think that is not something that goes with try and error. I think that making the time travel in dr who gives access to knowledge they just dont remember as with twilights case how whould she know about the spell in the first place? Well, it is twilight we are talking about and not because the power of plot but how twilights character is build, build as a starswirld the bearded fan, someone who know a lot about who invented the spell so she just knew there was one. I dont recall that episode good as it was years ago when i saw it. But i always have in mind okhams razor. Even when something unlikely is possible to happen, usually the simplest answer is the right one. And just thinking both twilight and dr who had that knowledge from the get go is the easiest answer and to try and get ahead of things, they go back in time to let know their past versions about that answer and just passing unecessary information creates the loop as all the things twilight got pre fixed, could have been reported and dealt with ahead of time without twilights intervention or is what i think. I rrally havent even finished the show.
0 likesTwilight doesn’t think a lot
0 likesBut she also does
Make a picture showing the original time travel Twilight
0 likesThese paradoxes are the reasosn timetravel is seemingly immposible
1 likeWait Sawtooth goes by they/them? I’ve been missgendering them for years?! NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
1 likeTT I’m so sorry!
Great job with this video. And I have an idea for a new one. Make a video about the new movie: My little pony a new generation. Because the movie is coming soon and I would to see your thoughts on it.🦄❤️🎥🍿🤩🤩🤩🤩
1 likeMabye this same way works in starlight glimmer's timelines
0 likesI got something for you what if g5 something to do with the disaster.I mean in g5 the pony unicorn and pegaside separated so past Twilight could has something to do with that🤔😱
1 like1:21 Are you gonna spoil Doctor Who? I haven‘t watched that yet!
0 likesThe only thing is how did she travel to twilight because starlight made a spell but she must’ve what working on it on that time it’s confusing
1 likeHello I have been watching for a while and I wonder can I help you with a AU theory?
0 likesNice pronouns shawty i love the video it was bugging me for so long even after i left the fandom 😔💖🙏
0 likesI read a book with these weird loops once
0 likesI thought the same theory some years ago :o
1 likeWhat is there to make sense of? It's a closed loop. There's no paradox to resolve.
0 likeswhat about that giant sand timer in the background? it was moving in the episode
0 likesNice theory!
0 likesWe need a g5 theory vid! If Magic is gone from equestria, and without magic pegasi can't fly and unicorns can't use magic and I'm assuming Earth ponies lost their strength ... How does the sun and moon rise and set in the future??
0 likesWell this was a little bit wibbly wobbly timey wimey. i LovE DoCtOr wHo!
1 likeWait future sawtooth has a horn!?
1 likeWhat could of the disaster actually have been?
0 likesPonies assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect, but actually from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint - it's more like a big ball of wibbly wobbly... time-y wimey... stuff.” he answered.
0 likesI understood it, i agreed, but i forgot everything a second later.
0 likes(*Groaaann*) I need a quantum Aspirin.
0 likessawtooth: discord wwas in stone at the time
0 likesme: but he wasnt in the future 🤔
Your knights are great lord high majesty sawtooth.
0 likesI honestly had no idea that sawtooth used they/them until I heard them say it in the video
0 likesMe: watches the video and hears "Time Loop"
1 like(My SCP Oc) Time Loop Boy: hears "Time Loop"
Time loop boy: did someone say, time loop?
Me: AAAAAAAAAAAAH
Time Loop Boy: Now Expain-
Me: YOU CAN'T BE IN THE GODLANDS!!!!!!!
Teleports Time Loop Boy back to the SCP Oc Gang
Me: Now back to the video! :D
Make a video on how advance equestrian technology is
0 likesgreat video!
0 likesBut this is similar to asking why I type this comment on July 14 2021...the answer? Because I always did at this point in time.
1 likeMaybe the answer is something like that for a loop as well...but that was an amazing video!
I'm early this time
1 likeInteresting theory
What if the disaster that was to happen was everything that happened in the future, like Discord or Tirek
I know this is irrelevant
0 likesDid Grogar create the pony of shadows?
Here is my theory Grogar did said that he was the “father of monsters” and he also wanted the protectors of equestria gone. His main motive was to conquer equestria. My theory ties with sawtooth’s video about Grogar releasing nightmare moon as he wants to released the pony of shadows out once more. As for Stygian, he said “The darkness welcome me when nopony would” in the episode “Shadow Play”. That darkness is the pony of shadow which i believe, is created by Grogar.
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Aslo Grogar said “I have birth if the vilest/foulest of creatures.
0 likesIf that’s twilight future she must have wings
0 likesSo what happened to the original timeline?
0 likesAlso what editor do you use?
0 likesWait...
0 likesIs future sawtooth now in our present?
and is the present sawtooth in another timeline...?
Sawtooth, have you watched the G5 announcement trailer?
0 likesYep, I remember this episode....
0 likesTime is so confusing I will write sawtooth waves in the future.
1 likesawtooth waves
Sounds simmer to the show daily edition where an guy always get's tomorrow's new paper today.
0 likesYes new theroy! no i can watch this 10 times for enitertainment :D
0 likesTbh if I was on her side I would just slap past twillight and then say the truth
0 likesyeah that's obvious when you watch time travel shows.
0 likesOh my Celestia✨
0 likesI finally understand it!!!
0 likesThis makes sense.
1 likeHi love your videos ❤
1 likeHey Sawtooth here’s an idea that’s been in my head and it’s we’re is the human version of sunset shimmer in mlp
0 likes:0 wow i couldve never got to this conulsion- me still support u being non binary :D
0 likes3:15 damn, that’s clever
0 likesWait how are you a earth pony in the past, but in the future you’re a unicorn, and when your with your future self you change into a unicorn…
0 likesUnless you’re secretly a changling
Oh my gosh. I thought you start making new video late. I didn't notice about the video few minutes ago. 😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅 nice theory though. You took forever to find out a way to solve this theory. I couldn't wait at that time. I was expecting your new vid. Nervous hehe 😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁
2 likesSawtooth why does human twilight have wings? She is not an alicorn we saw it on spring breakdown .I hope you have a theory for this.
0 likesCan look into the fact that twilight 's parents a.nd her eye color are totally different
0 likesTwilight would have seen them as signs of her stopping the disaster
0 likesDude i remember watching u as a kid 😃
0 likesOk so the original spell made a paradox but star lights made a BIG BIIIIIIIIIIIIIG difference....dang shes power full
0 likesThis is so funny cause I was just watching this like last night or in the morning but yeah-
1 likeDay 1 of asking Sawtooth to read Journal of the Two Sisters.
0 likesBasical topic of Doctor Who from one time to another(I tried to say that with Sylvester Maccoy's accent))
0 likesTIME TRAVEL IN A NUTSHELL
Hey bro, could you put subtitles on your videos it's because l'm from Brazil, your channel is much shorter 😅😆👍
1 likeAmazing ♡♡
0 likesYou’re the best
2 likes00:10
0 likesLoop back to here from 07:10
This actually makes sense
0 likesWhy does twilight even go back in time if she didn’t would that change time or ruin it?? She knows that if she does she won’t be able to fit a
0 likesWord in and past twilight would just worry so I say she doesn’t go back in time at all well I’m not the expert.
And, what’s up with Snails’s ears? Their like, elf ears!
0 likesHi I love your videos ☺️☺️
1 likeShe didn't even need to go back to past if there is nothing to worry about .So yea that make sense I guess😳🕷
0 likesSooo MLP is telling us time travel can be repeatable thats why we saw two scenes
0 likesThat into was my anxiety in a nutshell Lol
0 likesTime travel is so confusing my head get's crazy i hope i dosen't have to hear about time travel agian🥴🧐🤨 but i want to hear more
0 likesCan you please make a video of why is celestia more respected then luna like why is sun respected more then moon
0 likesIm not a fanboy just passionate... "cough" Twilight Fan
0 likesI know, right? Thank you!
0 likesI feel like I’m watching one of sawtooth older videos they’re literally talking about an older video talking about an older episode in an older background
0 likesplot twist: theres some brony theorist who is going to start a theory about this video about the sawtooth loop and about how the long theory started
0 likesOh heck- this is gonna be odd…
0 likesSoo
0 likesWhat did your future self tell you,Other then that you should not make a theory only to get it dissed by a
odd portal thingHonestly, this paradox is the main reason why I don’t like this episode. Even looking into your theory, I still can’t find anything else worth while in “It’s About Time”.
0 likesWait why would twilight worry the disaster was still yet to come if she got the scar?
0 likesVery interesting. ^^
0 likeswhy does my little pony not have an pony king or queen? thats an question i have been questioning a long time.
0 likesWow my brain hurts time traveling is something else
0 likesKid Danger: wearing his moto pup outfit and raises a eyebrow ok, really, dude,? Pre Alcorn twlight? takes a deep breath in and let's it out PRINCESS twlight is MY friend, ok? I met her when Fluttershy asked me to go with her to the great galloping gala. look, say what you want about princess twlight, but with or without wings, I like her. She teaches me stuff like magic and the elements of harmony that her and her friends are connected to.
0 likesLol time paradox could be used as weapons if you against someone your future you comes unexpectedly and fight with you
0 likesVideo posted 6 mintutes ago
1 likeMe: time to go back in time!
Omg I have been wondering that for the longest time!!!
0 likesA true mystery is how twilight got out of the time loop and go to the next episode ok
0 likesOne question what was the disaster if your going to say there was a disaster please proofed it
0 likesThe only thing I can say.... Makes sense🤔
0 likesYou look so cute with that flower in your hair only a true man would wear a flower or something pink
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haha thanks!! definitely not a man tho
0 likesI like the doctor who reference
1 likeEEEEEE I LOVE DOCTOR WHO AND NOW I LOVE YOU MORE
0 likesHello sawtooth I watched your killed the tree and you theory of seeking element test it doesn't have to be just the mane six like you said silverstream faces a shadow of storm king maybe she being brave
0 likesWhat if you did a theory on how Celestia got her rainbow hair ? Cause we a lot of pictures with celestia haveing pink hair but what if when she used the eliments together instead of separat like the main 6 it change her hair
1 likePermanently.
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I have had this theory for awhile ever sense I watched luna’s lullaby.
0 likesThis is probably one way parxdox scientd have three reasons for parxdox to be resolved, one is way is for the paradox to resolve itself and become a fixed point in time line or it branches of and create a new timeline, or the uinvres reskove the parxdox itself or timeline ddyrdriy the whole universe
0 likeshey! you know? Sawtooth Waves is my favorite youtuber
0 likes0:22 that made me happy 💛🤍💜🖤 :D
0 likesThis is a really cool video! But... whats up with those subtitles?
1 like"well, when she was past twilight future twilight told her"
Subtitles: One simple test Wave Future related
wOt
Ok so does that mean that twilight and Starlight are in the same universe and not in a different one
0 likesI love your videos
0 likesGreat theory.
0 likesDamn, that's actually smart.
0 likesI just watched this episode I was so confused
0 likesYou are amazing
0 likesThat explains much :3
0 likesI have a theory do u think all ponies that have lived for a long time have wavy hair witch is why twilight has wavy hair in season nine
0 likesPls do a vid on why aria blaze and starlight look so similar
0 likesVideo idea for sawtooth waves: what happens to rarity and sweety bells mom and dad?
0 likesDay 2 of asking sawtooth to talk about zecora and the possible existence of a zebra society
0 likesI know!: the doctor pulled the wrong lever and came to warn past doctor not to do that so past doctor warned future doctor who passed that on to another doctor and so on and so on
0 likesPls solve Little Nightmares 2 time loop of Thin man and Mono
0 likesMe after watching loki: hmm. Intresting.
0 likesI love my little pony and equestria girls so much I have for years MLP is the best!
0 likesThose just don't happen... unless discord is involved.
0 likesLol. It's funny because it's true.
4:20 why does twilight look so creepy-
0 likesMake A video about the Bootstrap paradox for past Sawtooth and future Sawtooth from this video!
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Sorry if that's confusing. 😥
1 likethis is future twilight V.S future me:im no chance against a pony who is my favorite apart from luna
0 likesSawtooth Waves nothing is more powerful than discord. he is always defeated because he is frivolous. Think about it.
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hey banana, “he” is a they, their pronouns ARE they/them, please remember that
0 likeshell yeah new video and comfort episode
0 likesBut how did twilight get out of this Loop
0 likeshey, um... I'm confused if starlight stop the rainboom, the mane six would never get their cutie mark right? Then my sister spotted pinkie's balloon cutie mark in the changeling universe. THAT THE RAINBOOM NEVER HAPPEND!!!
1 like(my sis want me to send you this)(sorry for my bad english)
Cereburus lost... Then, a year or two later...tirek! See what happened?
0 likesCan you try to find out who are starswirls parent?
0 likesYou should do MLP house that is in Harry Potter
1 likeShe must be a variant. Someone call the TVA.
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no not the time fascists!
0 likes@Sawtooth Waves No shit.
0 likesThis video might be the reason I only have 2 braincells left 😐
0 likesWAIT....WHAT HAPPENED??? ARE YOU THE CLONE? IS HE THE CLONE? WHERE"S THE REAL SAWTOOOTH??????? IS THIS A CHANGELING INVASION????
1 likeI saw a tooth And i waved.
0 likesI also could be that there is no start to the loop.
0 likesSo how did you became famous sciencist?
0 likes- I watched show with ponies
new video? Oml I've been waiting for this!
0 likesI think you explained what happen.
1 likeI’m thinking of making a new channel for MLP and I don’t know how to start, have any tips?
1 likeTime travel make my brain hurt.
0 likesThe disaster was the flower pot
0 likesI'm hearing the Metal Gear Solid game over music here. and the colonel yelling at me.
0 likesI'm not a peg a sister. I just needs find this out!
0 likesTime travel is complecated. But here is what i Think of this there he explained.
0 likesAn ocoming disaster were about to happen’d. Then you travel to the past. To prevent that disaster. It help some things Then you’r past self travels to that time as you’r future self did.
Reapet. Until it gets to s point to where it the disaster is no longer a thing. Which is also where the loop starts. Future you warns the present you about the danger. Then you do some stuff to prevent it. Once done. The present you travel to the past to warn you’r past the same thing the future you did. That’s the loop.
Get it this far. If not Then i dont blame you
hold on.. since when is sawtooth waves non-binary???
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i-im not too sure! but i came out in late may and changed my pfp on june 1st for pride month!
0 likesJesus Christ they Litteraly solved the bootstrap paradox this is beyond mlp
0 likesMake a video about the mlp game great ice barrier and "into the unknown lands "
0 likesNo dislikes on the video?, good
1 likeCreating a time loop
0 likesMe watch all the pony part and wait 2 years to get new part
0 likesHe pulled the wobbly lever
0 likesDid future Twilight hurt her eye or something?!
0 likesthey’re the pony version of matpat, i’m calling it.
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Yay
0 likesHi! I’m early! Btw I love your videos!
2 likesThat's really smart!
0 likesWait wasn't this episode like, the second episode?
0 likesI think it was actually just said in time already I don’t know who sets in time but
0 likesWhich episode was the Doctor Who example from?
0 likesIts was an alternate universe twilight and probably went to the wrong twilight
0 likesThat makes sense yeah.
1 likehi i just subriscred and i would like to say that i love your videos so far your very clever can i plz get a shoutout at the next video?
0 likesHey sawtooth, not 2 be rude and if ur not comfortable sharing that's OK but u was wondering what are your Pronouns? I noticed what I think is the nonbinary pride flag on ur icon and wanted to make sure I wasn't misgendering u, sorry hope u don't mind my asking and I really do enjoy ur videos <3
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they/them please!
1 likeSyannax no longer on the naughty list?
0 likesPog
3 weeks with no video?! Meh. It’s a Holiday. I get it. Nobody wants to work/upload on a holiday.
1 likeHello Big Boss Twilight.
1 likeWait y'all what happen to our sawtooth? Did he travel time lines and never came back or did future sawtooth replace him!😱😱😱😱😰😰😰😰
0 likesCan you make theory for starlight glimmer and twilight sparkle are they related? If you want
0 likesThis one is a lot shorter than the other one that was just worried about because I just figured out how did the situation that he came back in time happened so ya
0 likeshave you played pony town before? (also yas i think you curect)
1 likeYeah, this is big brain time
0 likesThe whole point of a paradox is that you can’t solve it???
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yep, it's not really a paradox! just looks like one on the surface
1 like@Sawtooth Waves you replied to me! This is amazing! Sawtooth, you’re one of my absolute favourite YouTubers!
1 like@Sawtooth Waves post-video, I now see that. Brain implosion. You’re a genius, I never would have thought of it like that.
1 likeWait when Trixie did her magic trick and discord PUT A URSA MAJOR I saw cozy glow I'm dead right now because COZY GLOW was in Trixie s class OH MY GOD IM DEAD
0 likesSunset Shimmer and Starlight Glimmer last name sounds same and they were both evil before and i have no other stuff to compare them 😐
0 likesDis boy is committed! 👏👏👏
0 likesI think the original twilight disaster. The facts we know cybarus left his post terrus, also we know th that the most dangerous creatures of equestria where put in terris. So maybe when that first Twilight got cyberus back to Tetris and/or failed to realize the creatures were gone,don't realized the creatures were gone, realized the creatures were gone went to tell Celestia and she went straight to Celestia told her but by the time everypony pitched in to get all the creature they could get back in to teris there was all ready so much devastation they had to focus on fixing the devastation in the couldn't can't continue to find other creatures (like terik)and those creatures went into hiding. Since she lived at the castle she know/heard about the starswirl la bearded wing and the rest of what was history.
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That what I think anyway.
0 likesI think that actually might happen
0 likesi love your video
0 likesHuh. Why do I not know this Doctor Who episode
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it wasn't a proper episode, it was a two-part short for red nose day 2011
1 likeC O N F U S I O N
1 likeI have a theory, has anything gotta do with the Other Worlds..For insatnce Sunset shimmer... in the episode..Sunset used World traveling...But theres nothing that proves she didnot go BACK in time OR IN THE future fir the pony world!...I feel the Poratl might be Something like that but It changes worlds eith the time..! Welp it was something i figured so thought id share!! Hope it gives u some lesd if u understsnd LOl
1 likei think there was a disaster coming if future twilight didn't warn past twiight
0 likeswhta if current discord went back in time to cause this, there is a bsck in time spell so it could work
0 likesSo intresting
2 likesMy head hurts think I got most of that
0 likesI love the video but I just wanted to let everybody know that you the time Travellers meeting for yesterday has been cancelled
0 likesHope gen6 The style still like this one
0 likesyay using doctor who to slove MLP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111
2 likes...Time shenannigans... My mind is boggled.
0 likesTap 7:09 and then 0:10
2 likesFuture you: Challenge accepted
0 likesMe: hehhehehehehehehehehehe
What about Starlight glimmer
0 likesWhy did this video come out right when im watching doctor who but before ive watched the episodes so i care about the spoilers :/
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check out the playlist to catch up!
1 likeTime travel is confusing
0 likesThis is not how time travel works
0 likesYou have it wrong. Cadence is not the one supposed to be ruling over Romantic love it's Shining Armor! Cadence represents motherly love! Think about that, Sawtooth. Honestly, it would cure the whole problem of Alicorn Shining Armor. Plz mention me. Brohoof!
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Uh, no she only became a mother in the beginning of season six. So its romantic love
1 like@Raptor Zeraora Well, then Shining is Prince of fatherly love!
0 likesCun you make a video on how the time loop stopped
0 likesWow this is very nice
1 likeI just love yourexclamations
0 likesI love your Channel
1 likeSo there was time with no future sawtooth apperd.
0 likesPrince saw tooth. King thorax's nephew and his older sister princess larynx niece of King thorax.
0 likesOk so what caused this loop….
0 likesPrince nameless is so cute.
0 likesThis is confusing
1 likeDamn
i am still trying to process the info you told in this video
0 likesbrain.exe stoped working
You should see Steins;Gate.
0 likesIs your next video gonna be the connection of sunset shimmer and starlight glimmer
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Hopefully
0 likesMaybe the future you wanted to make a video and didn't want to do it himself so he time travelled
0 likesThis makes my brain hurt
0 likesFast sawtooth future sawtooth relay sawtooth which one do we hear
0 likes1:05 Transformers Reference
1 likeFor me I find velvet sentry phenoxgirl serena sparkle see what I mean they say there speedpaints tell the mlp future celestia has children and married thorax well no thorax loves lord ember what is right i think after mane 6 then young 6 then luster dawn and friends we have to do six maybe luster dawn and sky cloud dragon and glide snow Griffin and yak yala and hippogriff stardust and changeling Sophia illl do a speedpaint on sketch book then after the mane 6 luster dawn then mane 6 children mlp pony's like maybe LIL chesse please I'm just guessing now mlp a new generation also makes me confused I thought mlp had no electricity or iPads or phones it's clear equestrians don't have phone mlp eg rainbow dash said this"I don't think they had phones where she comes from " and pip petals loves social media on phones solve it please I'm sunlight all games I play my username is sunlight
0 likesMy whole life has been a lie
0 likesWhen is the part 2 of the cadence video from a month ago???!!
0 likesYeah, I guess you're right.
0 likestell me why saw tooth is not related to or is the child of ocellus and pharynx.
0 likesHi I love ur videos
1 likeRarity : no spoilers
0 likestime travel loop paradox
0 likesAhhh time travel it hurts your head
0 likesIf this theory was true that would mean the time line that all the disasters would occur it would start a hole other time line like what starlight did by changeling the past it created a alternate universe so what happened in the universe that twilight wasn't worned in???
0 likesPs. I hope that sawtooth sees this so I can talk to him so I can discuss how cutie Cutie Mark's where created so plz sawtooth see this.
Sugar rush
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heyyyy, they use they/them pronouns, please remember that
0 likesIf the sunset shimmer we know is from Equestria, then we're is the human sunset
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Honestly idk if he will see this or not
0 likesFrom the changeling castle.
0 likesHey Gen5 is coming out can you make a video on that?
0 likesTHAT WAS CONFUSING AND .................
2 likesNEW VID IDEA : WHERE ARE THE HUMAN LIGHTING DUST AND SPITFIRE ? PROABLY ITS IN YOUR MIND TO
Sawtooth: in Twilight's situation-
1 likeAd: GrAmMaRlY hElPs YoU wRiTe CoNfIdEnTlY
Like if you got it!
Also, wow...time travel is so confusing. I got it, but just barely. But when i watched the video the 2nd time, I got it :D
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i hate getting grammarly ads. now i have become the very thing i swore to destroy
1 like@Sawtooth Waves omg!! same! also tysm for replying and hearting, I literally screamed when I saw!! :D
1 likeOk, this is super confusing
1 likeWhat happened to future alicorn twilight we never seen her before when episode ended
0 likesMe when you said the spoiler alert:don’t worry I’m used to get spoiled for example I got spoiled by squid game
0 likesWhat is your paradox?
0 likesOof. My brain hurts
1 likeFinally I have an answer
0 likesWelp there is another bootstrap paradox yalll just made oneee
0 likesI hate time travel but I love time travel
1 likeI like his theory
0 likesLike Milo's letter!
0 likesAnd something else I commented about before!
2h ago, this was reccomended after some weird new marvel trailer thing, recommended getting weirder lol
1 likea circle has no beginning or enf
0 likesPlease make a vid about MLP G5!!
1 likethis is a big possibility
0 likesI think that makes sense
1 likehe a genius
0 likesThat video blew up my mind my mind kept. hoing
0 likesI know where you've been. 🌷🫂
1 likeSawtooth why did it take you 3 weeks to create another video I have been insanely bored for sooooo long
0 likesSo...
0 likesIts like higurashi?
Tru :>Its been its been a long time since uploaded (idk if thats how its spelled im to lazy to search)Im happy u did! (Feels like a long time ^~^
1 likeYou’re too smart for me I cant
0 likesI’m Here ON TIME!
1 likeHi. I love your video
0 likesthis is basically MLP homestuck
0 likesMaybe future twi twi is evil
0 likesUr a genius
0 likesThis is big brain time
0 likesU r so smart this is mind blowing
1 like'Sawtooth you really should stop talking to yourself'
1 likePast Sawtooth comes in to reclaim their library
Can you start talking about the new my little pony bc a lot of ppl are doing it to
0 likesI wonder what my future self looks like…
0 likes🤔🤔🤔😏😏😏
t pose always loved this channel
1 likeWhy did u go back in time haveing the same look as twilight when she went back into the past?
0 likesyour voice is super pretty!!!!!!
0 likesLittle Nightmares 2 spoilers
0 likesMe trying to understand how mono kills his future self and ends up becoming it, and how he can travel back in time through signals.
Hey Sawtooth where is your clone
1 likeSo My Little Pony pulled their version of a Doctor Who episode in Pony form this could be what the 13th Doctor was look like if she was Twilight Sparkle timey wimey b***** crap I hated a lot
0 likesThe nameless one again ?
0 likesTHE CAPTIONS
0 likesTHE CAPTIONSSSSS
GOD DANNIT now mlp is as smart rick and morty
0 likesIt's what I thought when I have seen the episode
0 likesim not exaggerating or kidding when i say this hurt my head.
0 likesUuuu my brain hurts
0 likesclicked faster than july got here (which was rlly fast like how did we end up in july)
0 likesI think it actually happened
0 likesStar swirl is Celestia Dad
0 likesBrilliant. Love it.
0 likes<3
0 likesI am sooo excited to watch this I have been waiting for I decade yayayayayayayaya
0 likesTHE NB PFP YEAHHHH
1 likeAh so you put on a boot then try to pull yourself up.
0 likesEarly, and that's a very cool video
1 liketwilight could have just not go warn her past self and she would be fine ;-;
0 likesThis is the most confusing Vedio
0 likesCan you talk about mlp new generation pls 🙏
0 likesWhat episode is this?
0 likesWait, have I been stupidly calling you a guy this whole time?
0 likesnice pfp :D
1 likeOh crap a Time paragraphs all right you both dubs FaceTime continuums live in that dimension now I have to prevent the into dimensional stabilize
0 likesmy
0 likesbrain
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melted
But what was the dester?!
0 likesI like your profile picture! Do you use they/them pronouns?
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yep! they use they/them pronouns, read their bio if you don’t believe me
0 likes@RemixedRoboticInsect okay! tysm
0 likesWait if king sombra was a king without a princess or whatever then why did shining armour have to marry cadence??
0 likesIs it because she’s a princess? WAIT- shouldn’t Celestia have a king tho? or Luna???? 🤨🧐🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨 and why are they princess’ when they can be queens??
No! Keep talking to yourself, I like it.
1 like😍😍😍👏👏👏👏
0 likesi hevent watch the video yet but lets talk about paradoxes (this is gonna be confusing to read )
0 likesparadox is so complicated to explain so im gonna example it, if someone is saying the truth and said "im lying" they're lying but bc they said "im lying" then they're saying the truth, but bc they said the truth they lied, ect ect
so if you go found out how to time travel and go back 30 seoonds before you found out how to time travel and said "you need to go back in time 30 seconds and said this exact thing to your past self" to your past self 95% of the time your past self probably going to do the thing that you asked them to do, but when the 5% of the past you didnt do what the past you said to do the paradox stop but then that 5% past you will found how to time travel just like you bc there no the 5% you didnt tell the 5% past you to do the exact thing you said
confused yet?
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so the only thing to stop the paradox is go back in time and tell your past self to stop the paradox
0 likeswhat if it was the fall of world
0 likesIn other words wibbly wobbly timey whimey
0 likesI think this is all right
0 likesthat is SO smart
0 likesCan U do What happened to flash and Twilight Human and a pony! Pretty pwease
0 likesI have to say...you are so smart
0 likesI'm Guess The Disaster Was The Dam
0 likesthis is very plausible
0 likesIt can be the first one figured it out
0 likesLoccellus and pawtooth.
0 likesDUDE I JUST NOTICED YOUR NEW PROFILE PICTURE, WELCOME TO THE GANG!!
0 likesIm in an airport watching this -_-
1 likeCool Vid
1 likeOr like Cang the conqueror.
0 likesWhat about the damn it was going to break
0 likesToo much Confiusing.
0 likesI will see again for undestand fully
LESS GOOO ANOTHER VID FROM THE BEST CHANGELING
0 likes💜💜💜
1 likeI have a question.... Why is tree hugger a boy un ecuestria girls ?
0 likesi'm FREAKING OUT ur copying what amy said in the shorts!
0 likesHappy holidays.🎄
0 likes# Non Binary squad💛🤍💜🖤
0 likesI HAVENT WATCHEDTHIS EPISODE!! pls tell me ;-;
0 likesSawtooth is cold.
0 likesCan you do a face reveal plssss!
0 likes7:57 song?
0 likesi like that it was cool
0 likesBarry Allen: pathetic 🗿🗿🗿
0 likesYou could just go like hold here mouth and tell here
0 likesWhen Did You Start Your Youtube Channel?
0 likesOMG 😲 😱
0 likesThere's a new My Little Pony coming out
0 likeshey ,i have a question where do u watch mlp
0 likes400K!
0 likesWait, are you non-binary?
0 likesDOCTOR WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
0 likesI’m so confused.
0 likesAHHHHHHHHHHHH I AM EARLY 2 MINUTES AGO AHHHHH
1 likeDOCTOR WHO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
0 likes0:10 when he vanished click on 0:10
0 likesTo please the algorithm
0 likesThat could make sence
0 likesThorax thew them out in the snow.
0 likesThis is super confusing
0 likesMy brain hurts
0 likesmy brain hurts
0 likesmy brain hurts
0 likesI am so confused
1 likeMaybe you are right
0 likesIf anyone sees this can they tell me where to watch season 9 of mlp.
0 likesOh nooo mlp ended.
0 likesBut mane 5 are comin no crying 😢and no missing mlp they're comin with a new light, new generation of friends, love and care for all people.
Me for mane 5: ❤🧡💛💚💙💜 give your best mane 5 .
Finally someone who like all comments also if you don’t mind could you do a face reveal
0 likesU too smart for me 😎✨😎
0 likesMy head hurts haha /)
0 likesWho else jsut watches theese videos for fun?
0 likes:o
2 likesI am a girl, and I have my brother 's phone
0 likes.
0:22 WAIT WAIT WAIT “THEM”?!?!?!? :000000
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hello am nonbinary c:
1 like@Sawtooth Waves that’s amazing! i’m so proud of you for coming out ahh
0 likesHi im from the FUTURE
2 likesTime burger
0 likesDo you know there is a new series of my little pony on September
0 likesAre you a cartoon Theroryest Or physic teacher
0 likesI watched that episode
0 likesSo confusing, why didn't you upload video on time 🙄
0 likes1:20
0 likesPOLICE BOX!ghm ghm... I'm sorrywhy are u suddenly a unicorn
0 likesMe too
1 likeSawtooth waves can I collaborate with you plz
1 likeSawtooth stop mumbling.
0 likesYOOOO SAWWWWTTTTOOOOOOTH WHY DOUSE STIDGIEN LOOK LIKE HE IS RELATED TO STARSWERL, THEY HAVE THE SAME EYES, THEY BOTH WERE A SIMILAR OUTFIT AND SAME COAT COLOUR! AAAAAAAAAAAAAA
0 likesAmerican way coming down on you is anyone going to punch the freaking time oh look it's not new Cadillac Stout oh look it's my freaking snipe yeah yeah
0 likesI have no words .
1 likeIt says this was a week ago but this video was not made 7 days ago, it was made 10 days ago!
0 likesComment made on July 19, 2021
Oh oh oh I'm dizzy
0 likesMiss Cinch is most weird human in Freindship Games, she tel to sci Twilight to unlash the magic in the thing , Twilight become a demon like Sunset, so Sunset reforme Twilight and Cinch in furious to Principal Celestia and Vice vice Principal Cadence join Canterlot High. So if Cinch go to the portal into the pony world she see pony Twilight , she tell to her to again unlash the magic and Twilight is now a demon but in a pony , pony Mindnight Sparkle destroy Ponyville Pony Celestia banish Pony Mindnight Sparkle into the moon like Nightmare Moon so Cinch unlash the magic in the thigh and she become a powerful demon she kill Pony Celestia and Pony Luna banish Cinch in the moon. I hear Human Chich say that " Next time will know the real magic" i have ferar in my hoves so i talk to you ,
0 likesWORRY worry worry
1 likeCOOL
0 likesLittle Nightmares fans: Interesting...
0 likesHi when will you be making a video on mlp generation 5
0 likesOm I've been asking this for ages now,,
0 likesMirror sathoot futer sawtooth a past sawtooth how many sawtooth
0 likesYay I'm early 😁😁😁
1 likeWow time
1 likeSnazy
0 likes:0 ure so smart
1 likeLook at me!
0 likessawtooth waves i have been thing about something. that i think you might want to hear about a my little pony ep. may i talk to you its important please?
1 likeI Love dis vedo
0 likesPliskin is that you?
0 likesA goth.
0 likesHis video's are a mlp confert
0 likesWhat’s the ep name and season? Also IF YOU DINT WANNA ASSWER MY QUESTION JUST DONT
0 likesReplies (1)
episode name "Its about time" and the season is the second season
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0 likesMe, not watching this video again.
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0 likes7:07 0:10
0 likesO o o o o o o g
1 likeHi sawtooth can I have a heart
2 likes🙌🙌🙌
0 likesWhat episode
0 likeslook. i read homestuck; this is nothing
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AHSHDHHHAHHAHAHA HELP, THIS COMMENT RIGHT HERE 😭🙏
0 likesI understand
0 likesConfusing!
0 likesHey what if pinkie pie was NOT applejack's cosin and instead said ''pear'' in that smoged
0 likespart. Plz put a vid about this!
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Who said she was her cusion?
0 likes@Raptor Zeraora the episode
0 likesI love how you so good that this I what you be like you
0 likesWow u changed erm a flower mah childhood
0 likesHey future sawtooth how many subs you have rn?
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394k
0 likesAre you non-binary?0.0
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yep!!!
0 likes@Sawtooth Waves Coooooool!🤩👌
0 likesmake a video abou.t the new generation mlp
0 likeswait your nonbinary gyjgdsgsetgsdgsdgdry epic
0 likesMlp generation five
0 likesYo Spiter woman form ultimate spiterman is twilight
0 likesYeah twilight worry’s
0 likesUr so smart
0 likesTwilight time travel to scar ugly twilight then it cots me thing king that IS the future twilight the princess twilight from the song the magic of friendship grows is wrong that is not future twilight the scar one is the future twilight
0 likesMaybe the first 12 like from the future future future future made that mistake and want to talk to the other Jwan like that all the other toilet that told you off the toilet causing this event
0 likesEARLY!!!
1 likeMetal Gear
0 likesTHE WORD YALL JUSY MAKES ME MAD FOR SOME REASON
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y'all y'all y'all y'all <3
0 likes@Sawtooth Waves OMG STOP
0 likesThat is some 4d nonsense
0 likesLevERS
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wibbly leever
0 likesAtleast that's there is not 100 dislikes
0 likeswhat happened Whether
0 likesayyyyyye
2 likesSorry if it sounds dumb, but I would like to know why Rainbow Dash and the other pony.. Thunder ? I don't remember... They have these "trails" behind them.. But why ? Is it just because it's the plot ?
0 likesReplies (2)
It's a visual artifact to emphasize speed.
1 like@AppleToaster Okay, thanks! :)
0 likeshi it is Blake the one how askt if you are nonbinery and you seid yes and that gave me so much confdins because I am a 11 yer old nonbinery bi them so have a good day
0 likesoh yeah I am early
1 likeHey Vsauce
0 likesIf you are talking to yourself that min you are smart but wis per to your self.
0 likesYet😭😭😭
0 likesAlso back to ur very old background lol
0 likesi like your vedyo
0 likesMă enervează că el nu știe română
1 likeAre you a chanceling
0 likesHi have a great day 🌈🍓🦄🍩🍉🍭🍪🍩🐶
0 likesListen to me!
0 likesNoooooooooooooooooooooooo
0 likesthis is conviesning me no get
0 likes🙁
0 likesI'm early!
2 likesLol I saw after hour
0 likeso.o
0 likesHow end why do the time travel if they now Whats gone hapen over end over???
0 likesSchool is out, your a youtuber your ment to entertain not teach........................................................
0 likesOr do both
what is the captions
0 likesYou so cute bro
0 likesWhere are you it has been a week and you didn't tell us that you were going to be late
0 likeswhat episode is that
0 likesReplies (2)
Im pretty sure its called its about time
0 likes@Teapotwithatee ok
0 likesI am only who ship spike and twillight
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they're siblings and twilight is kinda a parental figure to spike, so with those dynamics i don't see potential for a healthy relationship.
0 likesYes you are
0 likesHmmm.......
0 likesI dont understant this 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😃😂😅😅😅😅😅😹😹😹😹😹
0 likes18 seconds late😅
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0 likesWhat is the white purle and black flag again?
0 likesReplies (2)
enby/non-binary! they use they/them
0 likes@RemixedRoboticInsect k thanks
0 likesI will sic
0 likesearly <3
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0 likeslol
0 likesheart me]
0 likesWhat is the disaster?
0 likesReplies (2)
who knows! it could have been something minor, it doesn't take much to set twilight off, especially back then
1 like@Sawtooth Waves love your theory. Also, Celestia wasn’t surprised to see Twilight tuesday morning. What if she started out the thing in the future? To learn Twilight a lession. She also had Twilight’s flashback when meeting her future selv (or takling to her past selv) in the song Celestia’s ballad.
0 likesAlso I have a theory about Luna’s Black spot (seen from Yt with some of mine adds) and about the 7 elements of harmony and something about Twilight’s cutie Mark representing the stellar/solar system model they have in Canterlot.
Yay
0 likesYeah stop talking to yourself
1 likeWhy flash sentry and shining armor isnot twins just like other royal guard ??????????? 😕😕😕😕😕😕😕😕
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Idk
0 likesLol
0 likesYou watch mlp?
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Isn't it for girls
0 likesgender is fake
1 likeO ok
0 likeshello owo
0 likesGoing
0 likes...
0 likesI'm early
1 likeWhats with the pfp? R u non binary?
0 likesReplies (2)
yep! they/them pls!
1 like@Sawtooth Waves cool. happy late pride month, love your videos, love the flower in your mane, bye. (also I think being nb seems perfect for a changeling)
0 likesI am early
1 likeHey me early
1 likeOh
0 likesyour mad
0 likesCan I have a shout out my birthday is tomorrow.
1 likeaxolotl
0 likescan i get a shout out
0 likesEnough with your clickbait videos, Sawtooth. -_-
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hello! clickbait implies dishonesty, and there's nothing dishonest about the title or thumbnail here. i can understand if you find the flashy nature of my titles or thumbnails obnoxious, but that's just how i do things and i enjoy myself ^^
0 likes@Sawtooth Waves It's just.... wouldn't it at least be better to talk about the upcoming G5 though, like what Dr. Wolf is doing? ^^'
0 likesi don't know enough about it, waiting for it to come out c:
0 likes@Sawtooth Waves Well.. you know there is various news for it lately, right? :/
0 likes@Jimmy Hook thats not enough for sawtooth
0 likes@Raptor Zeraora Meh.
0 likesYou never see my comments
0 likesDo you my little pony a lot
0 likesEarly :)
0 likesEarlyy
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0 likesheheh early
1 likeSame i am early
0 likesYay im soo early
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Huh
0 likesAm early!
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Early
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0 likesWhy are there no comments lol
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