The best version of Twilight is Paranoid Twilight.

'IF I Can't FInD a FRIEndshiP PROblEM, I'Ll MakE a FrIeNDSHip PrOBlEm.' - Princess Twilight Sparkle, Ruler of Equestria, sometime during her youth.

@Hannah_Grae_FanAccount no, I'm not starlight glimmer.

@Afshan Sabri Starlight??? Is that you???

@Moadot720 Don't think you watched season 3 finale or anything after that, because twilight IS a princess

@Moadot720 She basically is tho, and the only other person who has any power is married with her brother who controls the royal army so yeah

Cᴀʟʟɪᴇ Tʜᴇ Tᴏʀᴛᴏɪsᴇsʜᴇʟʟ Cᴀᴛ

@Moadot720 uhmmm... she is now the Queen of Equestria...? R u dumb or something?

@3D Saul Goodman see my other comment on your reply section

Honestly, my favorite Twilight is Angry Twilight. She gets angry at the same stuff as me.

@Moadot720 Because queens are superior to princesses! Hashbro just hates queens because Disney told them too!

@Moadot720 why? If you may share some of your dumbness (sorry for saying that)

Oh hi spike, ummm, why have you been given a title called "spike the brave and glorious"?

Is it because the crystal Ponies in the crystal empire call you that because you manage to get the crystal heart to the fair to defeat the king of darkness named "K!Ng $oMbr@"?


FINALLY SOMEONE ON EARTH HAS GOT THE SAME QUESTION AS I HAVE !

@Dhanvi Sujatha uum doctor wolf and sawtooth make avideo about that

The time I watched he episode I thought that if only twilight didn't go to the past then there won't be any ruckus

This actually never bothered me because I knew it was a paradox

@Dhanvi Sujatha might be hidden somewhere just like human twilight

But i have a question nobody answered yet. How come there is no "Human" sunset shimmer on the other side?


50% of comments: talking about how good the theory was
Other 50%: respecting Sawtooth's pronouns.

Perfect. That's the love they deserve.

@SMG Productions I also use she/they and i have the same feeling

Shoot uh what are Sawtooth's pronouns?  I'm aware this is old but I have no clue what they are 😅

@Sawtooth Waves Omg I never noticed that you used they/them pronouns. Same!! :D That's so cool to me

No i made about why the future Sawtooth Waves time travelled

@Error White I believe it's they/them but don't quote me on that.

@Error White they/them, which you can confirm in the about section of their YouTube channel

When I noticed that I assumed it was a slip of the tongue.

@Sawtooth Waves   i am brazilian  and wanted subtitles in portuguese

@SMG Productions I strictly use they/them, but I'm super deep in the closet so honestly it's been really healing and affirming hearing Sawtooth use their own pronouns to refer to themself

Also, as someone who uses she/they pronouns, hearing Sawtooth using their pronouns so casually just feels so good.


S - Sharp Mind

A - Awesome

W - Watches MLP Carefully

T- Terrific

O - Observant

O - Outstanding

T - Totally Mind Blowing

H - Hilarious

W - Wonderful

A - Amazing

V - Vibrant

E - Enthusiastic

S - Super Ultra Extreme awesomeazing

I WROTE THIS MONTHS AGO PLEASE SEE THIS SAWTOOTH 😥

@ThisPersonLovesChocolateMilk. ur username is absoloutely true

@Sydney Phillips Not that long lol.
took like 5 or 10 minutes, don't remember did that a long time ago😅
also thankss <33

Awww that’s so nice how long did you even work on this again?

@Sawtooth Waves 🤩😍😘<br>Glad u liked it !


How did Luna know who is daybreaker when nopony mention her in "royale problem" Episode? Does this happened before?

ʍou ʇɥƃᴉɹ pᴉdnʇs ʞooʅ no⅄

Hey yeah, future self here. Just saying that i am so <b>STUPID</b>

Hey yeah, future self here. Just saying that i am so *STUPID*

ʍou ʇɥƃᴉɹ pᴉdnʇs ʞooʅ no⅄

I just rewatched the clip for fun and Luna's words "I've seen a lot, but I've never seen this before" when she first saw Starlight's nightmare

I think when Luna torned to NightmearMoon, she match the thing or someone how do this with her and think they can do the same thing with Celestia...or she just see it on a Celestia dream, she can fuckyng see what pony's think whrn they are sleeping

I'm assuming they both have their corrupted potentials?

@Demon Princess  lol, can't help it, gotta break the flow! P.S. You have excellent spelling and punctuation.

@Elune Shatterstone
Everyone else here: Let me explain how Luna knew
You: How'd you do that to your profile name?

Not trying to be mean, I just like seeing odd-ones-out

Also do you agree with me that Cadence shouldn't be both the princess of motherly love and the princess of romantic love? I feel like Shining Armor should be the one for romantic love because none of the other princesses have TWO jobs! Honestly, this is the explanation Sawtooth Waves needed a year ago.

ʍou ʇɥƃᴉɹ pᴉdnʇs ʞooʅ no⅄

ʍou ʇɥƃᴉɹ pᴉdnʇs ʞooʅ no⅄

How did you get your name to be upside down letters?

@ʍou ʇɥƃᴉɹ pᴉdnʇs ʞooʅ no⅄ Where'd Twilight come from in this?

@Travis Smith The name thing, that's something else. But, for all we know, Celestia told her off screen while the show was focused on Starlight's regret. As for Celestia's shock, none of the monsters she faced, nor Nightmare Moon, showed her to be a vicious monster. Daybreaker even said the possibility that if Luna could become an evil pony, so could she. She was facing a horrific revelation alone. I think Celestia's fear fell more under the memory of regret that Celestia couldn't reconcile with Luna when Nightmare Moon originally happened. That coupled with a revealing fact that if one princess could become evil, so could she would be a truly horrific thought. She wouldn't have needed to see Daybreaker before for that to be scary enough to petrify her.

But, also ask yourself this: Royale Problem was the first time Starlight ever met the princesses in person (or in pony, however the expressions go) so how would Starlight dream of something Celestia had already dreamed of? She never would have heard the name Daybreaker before or seen what an evil Celestia would look like. But, she had seen Celestia get angry by then and that would be enough to know that Celestia was just as susceptible to darkness and anger as Luna was. Especially after Twilight's panic of Nightmare Moon during her worries brought Starlight so much paranoia before leaving for Canterlot. And, after taking such drastic measures, of course that would only make Starlight's paranoia worse. But, why would her paranoia take shape to the exact same dream you're assuming Celestia had? Starlight's subconscious had motive for making Daybreaker. Did Celestia's?

@Deborah Amos that'll be impossible, twilight see daybreaker in one of her fear too

ʍou ʇɥƃᴉɹ pᴉdnʇs ʞooʅ no⅄

Maybe someone had a nightmare because Luna takes care of dreams and just named her that

@Travis Smith how can Twilight see daybreaker in the same form?

ʍou ʇɥƃᴉɹ pᴉdnʇs ʞooʅ no⅄

@Demon Princess I'm talking previous to that encounter. She had no problem facing down the dream Nightmare Moon, Celestia has shown many times she has no problem facing monsters (defeating them....... well the central characters have to save the day for plot reasons). But the one dream she should be able to handle without issue she froze and knew she could not handle it. While not requiring past interaction it would sure suggest such.
Luna knew the name right off the bat even though she did not at that time have her dream powers. Indeed as I recall the name was not mentioned until Luna said it (after Celestia went for help). This also suggests a prior encounter.
Now, one of the things a just ruler must always be wary of is giving in to temptations to abuse power. Seeing someone you are close to fail such a test (as with Luna's decent into Nightmare Moon for Celestia) can highlight this. Thus we have reason for Celestia to have dreamed of Daybreaker at some point.

We know that as soon as Celestia pulled Luna into Starlight's dream Luna knew the name of the manifestation without being told despite the lack of dream powers at the time. We know that elements of dreams and even entire dreams can be shared between individuals suggesting some manner of shared plain of existence. We know that while woefully equipped for dealing with dream troubles Celestia tried hard. We know Celestia does not back down from foes normally. We know Celestia had no issue facing down the dark shadow of her sister in the dream despite also knowing the turmoil such a real confrontation caused and continued to have effects long after. We know that seeing her own dark shadow made Celestia not only back down but run.
We do not know, however, why Celestia ran nor how Luna knew the name. But if we fit what we do know together to fill in that which we do not it seems reasonable, to me anyway, that that which took form from based on Starlight's fear of turning Celestia dark had formed previously and so had an identity not confined solely to Starlight's mind.

@Demon Princess I'm talking previous to that encounter. She had no problem facing down the dream Nightmare Moon, Celestia has shown many times she has no problem facing monsters (defeating them....... well the central characters have to save the day for plot reasons). But the one dream she should be able to handle without issue she froze and knew she could not handle it. While not requiring past interaction it would sure suggest such.
Luna knew the name right off the bat even though she did not at that time have her dream powers. Indeed as I recall the name was not mentioned until Luna said it (after Celestia went for help). This also suggests a prior encounter.
Now, one of the things a just ruler must always be wary of is giving in to temptations to abuse power. Seeing someone you are close to fail such a test (as with Luna's decent into Nightmare Moon for Celestia) can highlight this. Thus we have reason for Celestia to have dreamed of Daybreaker at some point.

We know that as soon as Celestia pulled Luna into Starlight's dream Luna knew the name of the manifestation without being told despite the lack of dream powers at the time. We know that elements of dreams and even entire dreams can be shared between individuals suggesting some manner of shared plain of existence. We know that while woefully equipped for dealing with dream troubles Celestia tried hard. We know Celestia does not back down from foes normally. We know Celestia had no issue facing down the dark shadow of her sister in the dream despite also knowing the turmoil such a real confrontation caused and continued to have effects long after. We know that seeing her own dark shadow made Celestia not only back down but run.
We _do not_ know, however, why Celestia ran nor how Luna knew the name. But if we fit what we do know together to fill in that which we do not it seems reasonable, to me anyway, that that which took form from based on Starlight's fear of turning Celestia dark had formed previously and so had an identity not confined solely to Starlight's mind.

@Travis Smith No definitive victory? Celestia stopped Starlight's nightmare. Considering Daybreaker never existed in the real world, that was a definite victory of good over evil. And think about it this way, you see an evil version of yourself set out to destroy a family member and you have to face them alone. Wouldn't you be shocked and horrified

@Demon Princess There was a sense of shock and terror, much the same thing if we consider there was no definitive victory of the good over the bad.

@Travis Smith Celestia was a timid mess trying to do Luna's job. And if Celestia had dreamt of Daybreaker before, wouldn't there be a sense of familiarity?

@Demon Princess Well, we know that dreams in Equestrisa can be shared. We know also that with guidance one can move from one dream to another. Thus we see that in some form the dream realm is a reality unto itself. It is also fairly likely that Celestia has hidden worries about what if she went dark. Thus Luna may have faced Daybreaker before, in Celestia's dreams. Which would also serve to somewhat explain why Celestia was so intimidated by another's fear: it was also her own.

@Demon Princess Well, we know that dreams in Equestrisa can be shared. We know also that with guidance one can move from one dream to another. Thus we see that in some form the dream realm is a reality unto itself. It is also fairly likely that Celestia has hidden worries about what if _she_ went dark. Thus Luna may have faced Daybreaker before, in _Celestia's_ dreams. Which would also serve to somewhat explain why Celestia was so intimidated by another's fear: it was also her own.

@Flufux I don't think that's what  it is

@Flufux I don't think that's what  it is

@Flufux make sense, <br>But how did it have the same character 3 times a row? Like twilight cant enter starlight dream, but she see "celestia" Evil form

@Flufux make sense,
But how did it have the same character 3 times a row? Like twilight cant enter starlight dream, but she see "celestia" Evil form

ʍou ʇɥƃᴉɹ pᴉdnʇs ʞooʅ no⅄

Likely Celestia have had nightmares about Daybreaker before, and Luna was there to help her get through them.

ʍou ʇɥƃᴉɹ pᴉdnʇs ʞooʅ no⅄

ʍou ʇɥƃᴉɹ pᴉdnʇs ʞooʅ no⅄

@Renamon 565 But they switch powers and cutie mark

ʍou ʇɥƃᴉɹ pᴉdnʇs ʞooʅ no⅄

ʍou ʇɥƃᴉɹ pᴉdnʇs ʞooʅ no⅄

Personally, I think that Daybreaker is an artifact existing within the dream realm, possibly originating with Celestia herself, that gave form to Starlight's fears.

@Demon Princess Seems to me that it was Luna that supplied the name.

I always thought Celestia told her offscreen.

I don't think she did. Daybreaker was only mentioned twice in the series and the only time Luna saw her, she never once called that alternative Celestia. She only knew Daybreaker as a nightmare Starlight was having and had Celestia stop her with Luna's powers. I think Daybreaker was just a random paranoia when Starlight heard about the truth behind Nightmare Moon

I’m pretty sure he already did a video on this theory I suggest you go find and watch it

Celestia has the power to dream of the future so luna most likely has the same power


Can we all just take a moment to appreciate Sawtooth? I love them. I love them so much😭💕💕

@Sawtooth Waves they a theory
In quantum psychis with time travel into past One isthe
Universe is deystoyrd or the universe fixes the paradox so it cause the same outcome as see past twlight didn't know the reason for the Time travel therefore she had everything reason to go find out how to prevent it and her going back in time set the loop in motion basillcly it's a self contained time loop

@Blue waves🌊✨ I do agree with you you shouldn’t give anyone a death threat to be honest I’m not homophobic

@TaylorXwX yeah but it's their choice if they wanna be homophic

@Blue waves🌊✨ <br>huh 😭 neither of those are based off my username, I’m talking about another firefly and another thing with 64…

@Blue waves🌊✨
huh 😭 neither of those are based off my username, I’m talking about another firefly and another thing with 64…

@firefly64 wow so scared 💀 that was the wrost comeback ever says your name "fire fly plsss a clone of a animal and 64- copies Minecraft

@elara it's okay just stay out of it :) just a normal argument with a islamophic person from YouTube

@Blue waves🌊✨ who are you talking about ????

@Blue waves🌊✨ <br>I don’t care “blue sparkle” you’re a dumb twilight sparkle clone, make an original oc and come back.

@Blue waves🌊✨
I don’t care “blue sparkle” you’re a dumb twilight sparkle clone, make an original oc and come back.

@firefly64 there's no proof I'm homophic  and the person is a kid and you don't need to give them death threats it's their life

@firefly64 I ain't homophic your just jealous and stuck up :) and homophic isnt a comeback

@Blue waves🌊✨ <br>Alr I will because ur homophobic lmao

@Blue waves🌊✨
Alr I will because ur homophobic lmao

@firefly64 stop being so rude if their homophic leave them that's their choice no need to give them death threats  we shoudnt judge we should just be like that's your opinion that's what I do

@ShadowMewssacre Im assuming thats a jeopardy reference...
I dont watch that show...
BUT LOL

@[Generic Channel Name Here] I'll take things that never happened for $500, Alex.

@Amanda Lochmann
and THATS why you get no views :)

deleting your channel is ALWAYS an option.

@Amanda Lochmann you remind me of some homophobic people from my old school

I murdered them by pushing them out an office window on the 30th floor so while they fell they could enjoy the searing pain of the glass shards imbedded in their body.

Guess what imma do to you?

@Amanda Lochmann shut up lmao they’re not a guy and you can’t change that

@Amanda Lochmann Sawtooth is non-binary. You can’t change that.

@Amanda Lochmann technically you’re right because gender is a social construct. But since you’re right then that means male isn’t a thing either. Nor is female. Gender was made up by humans, and people (or changelings) can identify as anything other than the 2 if that’s how they feel inside. You cannot change how someone else identifies. You can only change how you identify.

@Sawtooth Waves there is no such thing as non binary. Sawtooth is a male


Future Twilight is one of my favorite versions of Unicorn Twilight, in fact Past Twilight was right when she says that Future Twilight looks like she's from a post apocalyptic timeline.XD


The first time we saw Sunset Shimmer when she was stealing Twilight's crown, her horn magic was blue colour but other times when we see her in pony form again, her magic is red colour. An example is the spring breakdown episode and when Sunset met Starlight in the episode mirror magic. Why is her magic a different colour?

Sunset's magic was turquoise blue green like Starlights. So when the writeres and animators made the Starlight character, they had to change Sunset's magic. Also her color and magic in EG was more red than turquoise.

Just like that most people believe Izzy represents Pinkie and Pipp Rarity. But Izzy told Sunny that Sunny's inner light was purple (Like Twilight) and later Izzy told Pipp that Pipp's color was turquoise (Like Pinkie's element.) And sometimes Pipp makes us happy with songs while Izzy is creative like Rarity.

ALso, Apple Bloom is mostly the main leader with ideas, Sweetie Belle the one who likes theater and singing and Scootaloo the fast and cool one. But we have seen that Apple Bloom wants the fast wagon, Sweetie Belle the traditional one and Scootaloo the Creative one. Later we see Sweetie Belle making the plans in growing up is hard. Also, we've seen Scootaloo be afraid and not so cool, and also seen her be the one who caries for her friends (Like TWilight, when she was about to move)

Not always judge ponies to be what they seem to be most time. They can have different sides. That's why it's hard to category other characters to Elements of Harmony.

I was thinking Ocellus was Fluttershy, Gallus was Rainbow Dash and Sandbar was Twilight. But Ocellus was Rarity, Sandbar was Fluttershy and Gallus was Twilight.

Starswirl = The one who created over 200 spells
Twilight Sparkle = The one who likes to read, study and use magic but also the one that begin to teach about friendship
Gallus = The one who isn't so bookish (If not at all) byt found out the magic of friendship even without studying magic.
Sunny Starscout = The one who studies friendship, but isn't so bookish otherwise
Zipp = The one who acts like detective, but found out something was wrong with the crystals.


Basically MLP is telling that time is infinitely repeatable, if a person/pony goes to the past, the person/pony needs to make sure to not change the past, if the person/pony does that it will be repeated and if not, it will still get repeated. That’s why we saw the same scene two times, because the start or the end can’t be defined, that’s my theory

@Lautaro Roldan Pizzorno OR

In "It's about Time", Twilight is in a loop where she always get the information about the archives from her future self. The loop just naturally...happens, similar to time flowing forward when nopony is time traveling.

But when Starlight time travels, she changes the past to be something that didn't originally happen, changing the future.

Not to mention wouldn’t the producer make rainbow recognise her in the first place because they would have written short story’s for upcoming seasons/episodes to make it have sense and even if later they would have done accordingly p.s. the 100% thing would have happened as ‘behind the scenes’.

@Pomello well that’s a good question, if you remember starlight said that if she stopped the rain boom you wouldn’t be able to get your cutie marks, which means when she stopped it it changed the future but they went there again, stopped by twilight, the past is again changed but this time it went to the original state.

About the not seeing twilight and starlight in the episode it’s because twilight did her bast to not change the past and I mean 100%, if they were seen rainbow would say that she has seen twilight somewhere when they met the first time

Not exactly...
-> It is imposible to go back to your OWN past (you always "land" on the past of a slightly different universe, but never the SAME).

 This happens because time travel is necesary a "higher dimensional" path that has to be traversed & there is an infinite number of universes (the same way there are infinite "squares" inside a "cube").
  It is imposible to move "PERFECTLY" on any direction (there will always be a slightly sideways motion caused by tiny imperfections, mistakes or simple limits to concentration/guidance); so moving through time also displaces the time-traveler to ANOTHER "plane" different from the one they started.

-> They can never return to their "original" timeline because:
a) They do not know "which" one it is (universes do not have a "serial number").
b) They do not have "infinite precision & infinite accuraccy" on their movement.
c) They would be unaware if they "finally found it" or if they "landed" on another one that has 1 single atom of difference.

Then, the "loop" is simply "advancing" randomly through a series of universes (not even a "full path" taking all infinite ones, but rather skipping most of them).
-> Random fluctuations & small accumulating changes will eventually make "a" Twilight to fail to convince the next one to time travel (or something else will prevent it, like Pinkie Pie accidentally losing/burning the scroll).

@Pomello  The writers decided to ignore the way It's About Time establishes time travel to work in favor of their own idea.

I’m not sure if I understand you correctly, but how would that explain Starlight Glimmers time travelling to stop the sonic rainboom?


A sudden flood due to the dam breaking could cost millions of bits in damages and a good number of deaths. If Applejack, a earth pony, drowned, Twilight Sparkle wouldn't have accepted it. Even if Celestia forbade her, Twilight would move heaven and earth for her friends.


My head hurts now

Timetravel is so confusing... "I just talked to myself and then became that person two seconds later"

In my opinion, if thinking about Time Travel doesn't give you a headache, your not doing it right

That's just Requiem.

⬆                          ⬇
That's just Requiem.

As a doctor who fan, I’ve gotten used to it so it makes more sense now

I lost. My head doesn’t get headaches unless I spend too much time on the iPad or the weather changes really fast.

lets have a competition on whos head hurts more

I bet you can't beat me


Who knew a book horse could start a huge paradox

future sawtooth waves is wearing the same stuff as future twighlight sparkle......but why exactly?????????

@Steve Tourte yeah. Twilight. She's a book nerd. 🤣


I don't know. I don't really think this loop needs a beginning. I personally think that Twilight was destined to go through all that, regardless of whether or not there really was a disaster coming.<br>Sure, it might feel weird for the answer to come out of nowhere, but if you get it from your future self and then pass it on to your past self, that's plenty solid enough for me.

I don't know. I don't really think this loop needs a beginning. I personally think that Twilight was destined to go through all that, regardless of whether or not there really was a disaster coming.
Sure, it might feel weird for the answer to come out of nowhere, but if you get it from your future self and then pass it on to your past self, that's plenty solid enough for me.

I think if something TRULY bad happened Twilight would of told her past self to be quiet or bribe her with a BoOk but it was like "Hey dont get tooo freaky" that Twilight took as "Awww! Time to Freak out!"

My theory- twilight maybe didn't wanna look hideous, so she did a lot of crazy things trying to prevent it, But it backfired on her. So she had to go back in time and tell her past self. And her past self thought something happened. And it looped.

@Lunar Dragon True.  I suppose it is inevitable that there would be a beginning.

@AlbaTross what you said is still a beginning to the loop, it’s just different from what the video said.

True.  Given all that Twilight was freaking out about prior to the visit of her past self (which clearly didn't matter all that much, as she was able to immediately drop all of it, and it was never so much as mentioned again for the duration of the episode), it's possible she initially went back just to tell herself not to stress too much, which isn't far off from the final loop, only to cause her past self to freak out even more, thus causing the events that we see.


This is why I like your videos. The over analysis to a show about magical ponies is actually very fascinating. You're the first person who actually took confusion to the origins of the time loop in this episode


This always confused me. Now I know there was a real reason for her to time travel.


I miss the old fandom, I had so much fun, I honestly forgot about this episode.

Fr tho but a lot of people grew out of the show and tbh I half have as well but I’ll always love it and the Gen-5 thing literally made my heart sink. Have you watched it, and if you have what do you think about it???


I actually saw a time paradox in Milo Murphy’s law. It was hilarious.
Some throws a peach at Cavendish and Dakota picks it up. When they go back in time they realise they have to warn themself so Dakota gives Cavendish the peach and he throws it at them. Then this happens
Cavendish: Wait where did you get that peach?
Dakota: Someone threw it at you earlier
Cavendish: But that someone was me!
Dakota: yeah so?
Cavendish: But where did I get it?
Dakota: Someone threw it at you earlier
Cavendish: But that someone was me
Dakota: Yeah so?
Cavendish: But where did I get it
Dakota: Someone threw it at you earlier
Cavendish: BUT THAT SOME
Then it cuts to Diogee, Sara, Zack and Melissa

Could also count for an ontological paradox, the information that you get comes from the future but the future information was derived from something in the past taken from future knowledge.  The scenario reminds me of part of "Predestination" John tells the Time Agent that he wants to go back in time and kill the person who ruined his life and him pregnant before he found out he was intersex, the Time Agent later tells John that he was the one who ruined his own life and creates the loop

I was just about to mention that. Also, the letter that Milo sent himself after getting it. That letter also came from nowhere

Or at the end of milo Murphy’s law where doofenshmirtz remembers and saves himself


Sawtooth casually using they/them pronouns has got me all giddy. <3


You:"So, I'm gonna teach Them!" <br>Me, on the verge of tears: Aaaw💛🤍💜🖤

You:"So, I'm gonna teach Them!"
Me, on the verge of tears: Aaaw💛🤍💜🖤

@AppleToaster it is unfortunately very hard for people like me to even refer to ourselves and have people respect the pronouns I use. I just wanted to let you know that those with the mindset that you have actively make the world a better place for myself and others ^v^

@Demonyck’s Creations Being indifferent to the way people refer to themselves shouldn't make me polite/respectful, it should be the norm. Cheering the fact that they referred to themselves agenderly implies it's still a difficult thing to do today, and that saddens me. Just as it saddens me that "coming out" is still a thing. You shouldn't have to be "stuck" in the first place.

If my child ever has to "come out" to me someday, afraid of my reaction, then I've failed.

@AppleToaster you’re so polite and respectful, we need more people like you

I mean...YES, REPRESENTATION, I LOVE THEY, I LOVE THIS FUCKYING PONY!!!

@Bee Miller it's just that I didn't even take note of it when they said that. Felt very natural, it was on the sentence perfectly. Glad it makes people feel represented though, to me this means I must not refer to them as "he" anymore, only they/them.

@AppleToaster they/them isn't the most common pronoun for people to use on themself, so it can feel really nice for people like that to find other people like that :)

Sorry I don't get it, what is the big deal of using them?

@Sawtooth Waves I'm stealing baby you now bye 👌

So glad I'm not the only one. Seriously, every time I hear it I just feel so happy for them and it's so nice that we have something in common 🏳🌈🌈


Hey Sawtooth! Congrats on coming out!! You're so valid ❤


I used to watch every upload you did, until I fell out of the fandom. I’ve recently found your channel again after a nostalgia binge, and it warms my heart to see the channel being how I remembered it. I also noticed the background of your profile pic being the non-binary flag. As a fellow non-binary, it makes me really happy to see people like me :)


Pretty good, I look forward to more complex topics like this one


The nature of humanity is that every so often someone accidentally invents Homestuck again

@Sawtooth Waves a bunch of plots and things have the bootstrap paradox

@Sawtooth Waves It's a part of all the bullshit that happens in it. It’s confusing, dude.

is that the plot of homestuck? not familiar with that subculture


I always think about these details like how the detail come from every time machine story


Time traveling is pretty useful, I wish I can get a try on this one, which can help you solve your past problems to make future better....


That is an interesting thought in regards to how the time loop had started. One particular time loop I remember would be one in Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time where the guy in the windmill teaches Link the Song of Storms in the future so that Link could then teach him that song in the past so that he could teach Link in the future so that future Link could-(Cuts to a colored beeping screen)

I am wondering how that could have worked? Maybe in the first timeline, the Windmill guy realizes that Hyrule is doomed because the hero doesn't have the Lens of Truth, but then finds out that Link is time traveling and teaches him the song to teach to his past self?


Great video as always Sawtooth! I was wondering if you could make a video about the mirror portal? Like, is it natural like the one on the island? Or did someone (or somepony) make it?


I always thought that twilight overheard a royal guard talk about the time travel spell to another guard or twilight read about in the canterlot castle she did read all of the books in the canterlot library


Ah ha! I knew I wasn't the only who thought there was some sort of origin to the Twilight Time Loop! Thanks for this Sawtooth, you're awesome and brilliant at the same time!


"Solving Future Twilight's Paradox ⌛✨"

Me: Try to stow it away in the back corner of your headcanon section and try to not talk about it XD


"doesn't this time travel stuff hurt you brain?"

"you have no idea."


I think you just gave a perfectly valid explanation that solves an entire paradox, at least on paper. But, hey, who knows, maybe future studies on the subject will make the "Sawtooth's Paradox Solver" 100% canon, both in the show and IRL


So when the first Twilight who had actually seen a real disaster returned to her time, what was her world look like?<br>I think basically it still comes back to time travel making new alternative universes.

So when the first Twilight who had actually seen a real disaster returned to her time, what was her world look like?
I think basically it still comes back to time travel making new alternative universes.

hard to say since that twilight is removed from the loop


I am calling this paradox the hamburger paradox because that’s what the diagram Sawtooth used looks like.


There's a lot wrong with my timeline so far, so I'm going through the same thing, and it might just be the first time it happens. Thanks for the tips Sawtooth.


@Sawtooth Waves But the main question is what would that disaster be and how would it cause and affect the rest of Twilight's story. Would this disaster prevent Twilight from becoming an alicorn????????????  Because
if Celestia stopped her studies  because
of this disaster, this could have caused her not to become an alicorn causing
another train of crazy events


Out of any timey whimey thing I've heard, this is the one that has made the most sense

Yeah, I actually ended up coming to a similar conclusion about other instances of stable time loops...mostly in my own unpublished story ideas...

Point is, even if the official writers of published works never get around to making their own side stories involving the potential retconed past that set up the stable time loop; that concept would make for excellent fan fic fodder. ^_^


I liked it . I did have my suspicion about a Tim loop like this but your results for how it all began is very good . Nice job 👍👌


Omg i love time travel but its always so confusing this makes it so much more easy to understand


this mans just solved the bootstrap paradox


Me after Sawtooth explains his theory: Bruh you smarter than Twilight!


Hey, that's a pretty clever way to look at it! I think that makes a lot of sense, since the loop would be infinite, and a few initial iterations in comparison would be too small to even consider normally.


Congratulations…you managed to explain this paradox…which apparently you can do with all paradoxes…and I think this explanation makes a lot of sense


I've honestly also had a similar idea about bootstrap paradoxes having a start in a different timeline before, albeit for a different series, that being Harry Potter, in Prisoner of Azkaban specifically. Harry and Hermione indirectly alert or save their past selves from danger, twice. I'm sure that there was an original timeline where both Harry and Sirius got their souls sucked (or just Sirius, I can't 100% remember if Hermione throwing a rock against past!Harry's head also happened in the books) and either Hermione or another character used the Time Turner to go back and try to save them, and through trial and error figured out that they needed to rescue Buckbeak and get Harry to the dementors so he could cast a patronus. Harry even said 'because I'd already done it before' when Hermione asks how he cast the full patronus, even though it was actually his future self that did that.


I'm so glad Sawtooth watches Doctor Who too. Honestly- that whole paradox discussed in those episodes was the perfect segway. As the Doctor says "Timey... Whimey... stuff..." is weird and confusing

As always Sawtooth did wonderfully and can't wait for their next video


It's About Time for another Sawtooth Waves vid.

@Ammonite The Sea Serpent oh i didn't know that before. I hope i didn't offend anyone. I'll be careful with my gender pronouns next time :)<br>Edit: I just realised why Sawtooth goes by they/them pronouns. I didn't look closely before but i saw a non-binary flag in the background of their pfp.

@Ammonite The Sea Serpent oh i didn't know that before. I hope i didn't offend anyone. I'll be careful with my gender pronouns next time :)
Edit: I just realised why Sawtooth goes by they/them pronouns. I didn't look closely before but i saw a non-binary flag in the background of their pfp.

@saifur rahman They go by they/them pronouns now.

I know. The last time he posted was about 2 weeks ago and I thought he wouldn't post for a long time!


Considering how time travel can come off as very confusing in whatever media uses it and not even the brainy characters can understand it fully, I think it could have all boiled down to bad writing in an effort by the writers to make Twilight become paranoid and thus begin the standard for the rest of the show...for no apparent reason other than to see her suffer. Though in Twilight's defense if I saw MY future self come back in time to warn past me about a disaster I'd make an effort to listen as well so I could prevent this from occurring.


My favorite Dr. Who Version of the Bootstrap Paradox is actually this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4SEDzynMiQ&ab_channel=DoctorWho
The question for the above version though, truly is where who wrote Beethoven's Music? How would this version work for original timelines, resulting in the loop.


This actually makes a lot of sense!  Though, it does make me wonder... The spell lets you travel through time for only a brief while before pulling you back to the present.  The perfect loop that stabilized is all well and good, but...  what happened to the original time traveling Twilight that experienced the disaster?  Was she pulled back to the original time line?  Or, because she <b>did</b> change time by making her past self begin worrying when she did not, did she cease to exist?

This actually makes a lot of sense!  Though, it does make me wonder... The spell lets you travel through time for only a brief while before pulling you back to the present.  The perfect loop that stabilized is all well and good, but...  what happened to the original time traveling Twilight that experienced the disaster?  Was she pulled back to the original time line?  Or, because she *did* change time by making her past self begin worrying when she did not, did she cease to exist?


A solution to the Bootstrap Paradox? Holy crap! Great job, Sawtooth. Thank you for not only the entertaining video but also the clear-as-crystal explanation. The Dr. Who parallel really helped. It's been a while since I've added anything to my Favorites list.


so i just realized that sawtooth has a non-binary flag in their pfp oml that’s so cool!

@Egg Bun it used to be it for a while but it changed back into that

@Raptor Zeraora in their about section it says their non-binary :) and ghostly inhale wasn't assuming if they knew what the non-binary flag looked like, they were just pointing it out :)

We dont know what it is, dont assume things


Omg I remember hating this episode because of the paradox. Thank you for somehow fixing it a little bit. Still think it's a paradox because of the clothes proving that the only source was twilights irrational behaviour, which shows it's a paradox.


Twilight having the knowledge of the time travel spell via herself using the time travel spell which she got the knowledge of from herself using the time travel spell which she got the knowledge of from herself...

Temporal mechanics are fun!


Sawtooth is probably my favorite mlp channel. He just puts so much effort into each video and actually has interesting theories to think about. I wish everyone could love mlp the way I do!


I literally get so happy when you post a new video, makes my whole day 20% awesomer


Lets all take a moment to appreciate that he posts videos for us and he works hard making to put these videos everyday for us and he makes our day/night even better

I think they use them/them pronouns because they’re non-binary <3


I always assumed that there was some sort of disaster, though until this video, I never got why Twilight would use the spell just to tell her past self not to worry -- that is at least taken care of now. Exactly why she thought it would go differently than when her future self tried to do it is still a mystery.


OMG I WANTED TO KNOW THE HISTORY BEHIND THIS FOR SO LONG TYSM


OK this was an amazing video!! (especially because of doctor who being featured, it also helped me actually understand paradoxes a bit better) but I guess time really isn't a cause to effect and is in fact a big ball of wibbly wobbly timey wimey stuff (sorry couldn't help myself)


I'm so happy someone made a video of (roughly) what I've always believed about this episode! I always thought that Twilight, during the brief time travel, sounded far too desperate and urgent for what she ended up trying to warn herself about - because (and that's where my interpretation differs) that version of herself is from the genuine disaster timeline!

To explain: In her timeline, all of the "signs" have different, much less harmless reasons to come into being, but because she travelled back in time, the new timeline has Twilight disasterproofing Equestria and thus averting the disaster. However, time can not move forward properly until Twilight completes the time loop - so in this timeline, events contrive to give Twilight the same appearance she had when going back the first time, for when she inevitably time travels - and repeats the flashback verbatim, without even realizing that it only almost fits. Time fits smoothly and can move forward again.

It's a bit of a different scenario from the Doctor Who scenario, but I think you bringing it up still perfectly illustrated a very similar principle which helped clear up my own thoughts on the matter!

I am further led to this conclusion by all of the other time travel in MLP also either being non-interfering or requiring stable loops, with one notable exception: Starlight's modified Starswirl spell, using the Cutie Map - and that part is important. I believe that only with the Cutie Map serving as an anchor across timelines. This scenario also has precedent in Doctor Who:
The TARDIS being used as a Paradox Machine in The Sound of Drums. It's the exact same thing: an anchor across timelines allowing the future to modify the past even past the point that would break said future's existence.

Without such an anchor, I think the loop has to repeat exactly, and be repeated in exactly the same way, and events will align to allow it. What do you think?

I'm so happy someone made a video of (roughly) what I've always believed about this episode! I always thought that Twilight, during the brief time travel, sounded far too desperate and urgent for what she ended up trying to warn herself about - because (and that's where my interpretation differs) that version of herself is from the genuine disaster timeline!

To explain: In _her_ timeline, all of the "signs" have different, much less harmless reasons to come into being, but _because_ she travelled back in time, the new timeline has Twilight disasterproofing Equestria and thus averting the disaster. However, time can not move forward properly until Twilight completes the time loop - so in this timeline, events contrive to give Twilight the same appearance she had when going back the first time, for when she inevitably time travels - and repeats the flashback verbatim, without even realizing that it only _almost_ fits. Time fits smoothly and can move forward again.

It's a bit of a different scenario from the Doctor Who scenario, but I think you bringing it up still perfectly illustrated a very similar principle which helped clear up my own thoughts on the matter!

I am further led to this conclusion by all of the other time travel in MLP also either being non-interfering or requiring stable loops, with _one_ notable exception: Starlight's modified Starswirl spell, *using* the Cutie Map - and that part is important. I believe that only with the Cutie Map serving as an anchor across timelines. This scenario _also_ has precedent in Doctor Who:
The TARDIS being used as a Paradox Machine in The Sound of Drums. It's the exact same thing: an anchor across timelines allowing the future to modify the past even past the point that would break said future's existence.

Without such an anchor, I think the loop _has_ to repeat exactly, and be repeated in exactly the same way, and events will align to allow it. What do you think?


for me, I've seen the information that arises from the bootstrap paradox to be a result of the time travel itself. the doctor going back in time to tell his past self the correct lever and going through that door to tell his past self again is the process that the information originates from. That's my take. and also, someone finally put two of my favourite shows together wahoo!!!


This reminds me of the PS2 game Grimgrimoire. Its takes place during a time loop that had lasted thousands of years. One girl is aware of its and things fall into place nicely for her after a few failed attempts and she eventually breaks it, but it shows a few versions who have failed, and they are essentially hundreds if years old. It shows pieces of the failed timelines so a to circumvent what happens with Twilight. It shows the MC saving the day after countless failed attempts, everything fitting together nicely, due to all the time she spent relieving everything. Not entirely the same, but a very fun game.


I was just wondering about this! I came to pretty much the same conclusion, but there's one idea I would like to float -- there is one more reference to this episode in a future episode. Season 4 finale. So I ask you -- where do you suppose Tirek fits into all this?


That was the most understandable explanation of time loops that I've ever seen and finally understood.


That's actually a very clever bootstrap solution I haven't heard of before.<br>Well done!

That's actually a very clever bootstrap solution I haven't heard of before.
Well done!


This is so interesting beyond MLP! Honestly I’m gonna write this down, it’ll definitely be helpful with anytime my creative works may feature time travel


It’s About Time was and probably always will be one of my favorite episodes of MLP. I really enjoyed it when i was younger and i love how unique it was in comparison to the rest of the show at the time i saw it, especially with how they used time travel loops as a way to teach the “don’t worry yourself too much” lesson. it’s just very creative to me in general.


OMG SEEING YOUR OLD BACKGROUND IMMEDIATELY GAVE ME NOSTALGIA


I screamed when I saw docter who appear in the video- I finally found someone who watches it!


Me after watching MCU and DC content: yes this makes perfect sense

I’m surprised I could keep up holy heck 😂


That would mean there are more timelines, because before that, from the ninth, where the heroes also jumped their Twilight, Spike and Starlight jumped back into the past. But this time in the past they would meet themselves from the front line who are actually replacing them, and this would create another timeline. I wonder what would happen next. Do you have any ideas?


This is what I like to call a "Reverse Drain Paradox". So, when water goes down a drain, the water on the outside moves much slower towards the drain than water closer to it, and thus each loop is closer together. On the very edge of the spiral, the water barely approaches the drain with each loop while the water right next to it covers the distance quite fast so the loops are far apart. Drop a single drop of food coloring into a draining bathtub and you'll see this.

In a Reverse Drain Paradox, it's the opposite. The initial loops are quite far from each other, but as the loops move outward, they become closer and closer, however they never actually stay the same. Each time is still different by some degree, though by smaller and smaller amounts each time. It's like halving something over and over.


After calming down from my excitement, I do have only one question: what changed? This has nothing to do with MLP, it had to do with the Doctor Who issue. In the original timeline, as you put it, he didn't know which lever to pull and he had no help. So all he can do is guess. Get to the final timeline where he's told, where did the idea for telling himself come from? What changed to give him that idea? From the clips shown and what you say, it seems to me that the idea for telling himself would have had to have happened in the very first iteration. Consider this: why did the Doctor go through the door after failing the first time? It seems as though he had very little to no time, so where did this crazy idea to tell himself come from? Still, even if you ignore that, then there is still an issue. Based on the way you frame it, it was only because the "previous" Doctors told them what not to do that the "middle" Doctors did the same thing. This means that nothing changes until the previous Doctor comes through the door, right? So why does the Doctor "in the loop" have the idea? His very having of the idea means that the information really did come from nowhere, like in Bill and Ted with the keys, in a way. They intended to go back later and put the keys behind the bush, so the keys were there. The Doctor intended to go back and tell himself which lever to pull, so it's the same thing. After hearing about which lever to pull and pulling it, he went back and told himself which lever to pull. He jumped back in time briefly to fix a problem because he had to in order to make sure the problem was fixed so he could jump back in time. I hope this all makes sense, because for some reason I have never heard of anyone who understood this stuff. That was all out of order and basically a thought dump where I lost track of what I has already said multiple times, but I think my point is made.

Oh and I love the art. Just wanted to say. I think what is said of the MLP version is true and we just didn't see it, but the Doctor Who analogy I think has a bit of an oddity. Or more accurately, this is one way it could have happened.


Honestly my favorite video you've made. It was very captivating and it really made me think. I'm glad we still have pony channels like this in the community even heading into G5. Great content through and through!


this episode was perfect !! of course it solves the mlp paradox,  but on top of that thisis a theory that makes sense for so many other time loop paradoxes


This was the first video from you that I was exited to watch in a long time, simply because all of your last videos were basically just speculation on what could/ will / did happen, and this time it actually was a topic that you could analize and get an answer to.
Yes a little speculation was still in there but it felt a lot better than some of your last videos
Please more stuff like this


That's incredible! You actually explained this logically! Are you a genius or something?


This is an amazing idea. This basically follows the idea that the future can be changed. From the surface it appeared to say it can't, but if that were true than both variations would have come in on Twilight, not just one. The fact that it changed into a consistent loop shows that the future was changed until it became a straight path.


Thanks for another interesting video, Sawtooth! ^_^
I've thought about something similar to what you talked about here. Like…if the Back to the Future movies had been limited to the first film, would the Doc and Marty we first see have been responsible for starting a time travel loop? It's still a mystery what happened to the Marty from the new timeline though…
If Twilight's loop was started by something like trial and error, then I guess a few new timelines were created before the consistent loop was formed. Does this mean that the time travel spell Twilight used was designed to pull someone back to their starting point in their original timeline and doesn't keep them in the newly created timeline? There would be multiple Twilights otherwise. Time travel can be so confusing…


Wow! I love how this makes sense out of a seemingly senseless paradox.


I love this video, it's such a fun concept to wonder about!<br>I wanted to write a novel that includes elements of time travel and I was always kinda scared how to handle it, because it's a pretty confusing thing to work with. In my world time travel caused multiple timelines to form so one timeline is still in a state of chaos and disaster, but the "fixed" and kinda "fake" one will be a different story. I don't have a situation where characters from the present and the future meet each other to tell themselves something however, so in this case, my job is easier, but there still are absolutely horrible consequences about to happen.

I love this video, it's such a fun concept to wonder about!
I wanted to write a novel that includes elements of time travel and I was always kinda scared how to handle it, because it's a pretty confusing thing to work with. In my world time travel caused multiple timelines to form so one timeline is still in a state of chaos and disaster, but the "fixed" and kinda "fake" one will be a different story. I don't have a situation where characters from the present and the future meet each other to tell themselves something however, so in this case, my job is easier, but there still are absolutely horrible consequences about to happen.


Never thought of that...but you're right, if there's a "perfect loop" in a time travel situation, for all we know there's a bunch of other steps leading to the perfect loop.  Just because we don't see it, doesn't mean it's not there.<br>"Though let's be honest, this is pre-alicorn Twilight we're talking about here, it wouldn't even take that much."  Pfft - love that 😹 I do feel bad for pre-alicorn Twilight though, it must be exhausting to have so much pressure on yourself.

Never thought of that...but you're right, if there's a "perfect loop" in a time travel situation, for all we know there's a bunch of other steps leading to the perfect loop.  Just because we don't see it, doesn't mean it's not there.
"Though let's be honest, this is pre-alicorn Twilight we're talking about here, it wouldn't even take that much."  Pfft - love that 😹 I do feel bad for pre-alicorn Twilight though, it must be exhausting to have so much pressure on yourself.


This makes so much sense. You explained so well, no brain hurt here. ☺


I rarely see such a clean explaination of a timeloop paradox. This is to keep for many, many fandoms.


Does anyone remember in Gravity Falls, during one of the time travel episodes, Soos told Mabel the trick on opening the vending machine, and then when Mabel went back in time, she told younger Soos how to open the vending machine? Or in Milo Murphy's Law when the scientist guy threw a peach to warn himself of danger to his past self which makes the other guy pick up the peach and give it back to the past scientist guy when they go back in time so the question is, where did the peach come from?

@Blake Chow I remember the MML ones, the peach is priceless. The note also

Or at the end of milo Murphy’s law, where doofenshmirtz remembers and saves himself


Late to the video by a year, but I've been talking about this for years. You did however miss one vital point, we actually do know the inciting incident that caused the original Twilight to travel back in time, and although she never prevented it she changed the timeline enough to prevent total disaster.

The answer lies with Cerberus. Twilight caught him and returned him to his home as the guardian of the gates of Tartarus seemingly without incident. But we later learn from Celestia that it was on the day after Twilight met her future self, while Cerberus was away from his post, that Tirek escaped from Tartarus and began to regain his power.

Presumably in the original timeline Tirek absorbed all the magic and subjugated Equestria, causing a desperate Twilight to travel to the past in order to try and warn herself to prevent his escape or at least to recapture him before he became too powerful, and though she failed in that mission she changed the timeline and her personal future enough that she was able to defeat Tirek as we see at the end of season 4.


Sawtooth! I noticed something: Every Griffin with exposed name had G in the name: Gallus Gabby Etc


To be fair, Cerberus leaving the gates allowed Tirek to escape, so… there was a disaster, just not yet happening. Maybe that would explain why Tirek won in that other timeline.


Awesome theory as always! I'm impressed you decided to analyze this episode. It makes sense somehow!


Hey Sawtooth! I watched your previous video and revisited that episode to find something I found very peculiar. One of the many Starlight timelines is one with Discord. Celestia and Luna are there too. But isn't Luna Nightmare Moon at this point? Could there be a possibility for Nightmare to be defeated without the Mane 6 coming together after all? Either I misunderstood this, or I missed a video you made on this, but I just found it off. What do you think?

@NeuroEmpathJewel Now that we are talking more about time travelling than Luna, let's ask the ultimate question: Why didn't she time travel to prevent Sunburst from being taken or to prevent the loss of her village? She has such a powerful device at her disposal, but instead of trying to repair her own losses she tries to cause more destruction and suffering.
And the other point about Starlight just preventing the other Starlights is kinda interesting, like thats like really entangled time travel... Like one travels to another universe and then back in time in that one and teaches her other self to not do bad stuff and how to time travel, then that other self travels to yet another dimension and so on and so forth XD It then will go on infinitely XD But what would happen then? Would the ponies that don't come from this timeline originally disappear? Or will it still stay mixed?
Man, this is so confusing! XD

@NeuroEmpathJewel Now that we are talking more about time travelling than Luna, let's ask the ultimate question: Why didn't she time travel to prevent Sunburst from being taken or to prevent the loss of her village? She has such a powerful device at her disposal, but instead of trying to repair her own losses she tries to cause more destruction and suffering.
And the other point about Starlight just preventing the other Starlights is kinda interesting, like thats like _really entangled_ time travel... Like one travels to another universe and then back in time in that one and teaches her other self to not do bad stuff and how to time travel, then that other self travels to yet another dimension and so on and so forth XD It then will go on infinitely XD But what would happen then? Would the ponies that don't come from this timeline originally disappear? Or will it still stay mixed?
Man, this is so confusing! XD

@scifi DINO Haha, your point about terraforming is true, and I didn't think of that lol. I was speaking from a 'get everyone back to their original world timeline' perspective, but you're right! That world can still be saved.
As for your point about the multiverse, now that I think about it, Sawtooth's theory hinges on the fact that Starlight created them, because then there is a finite number of universes that she can fix. The infinite possibilities comes when each Starlight from those 7 universes creates their own timelines, from which more Starlights create their own timelines, etc. But if our Starlight were to travel back in time to those 7 universes, say, for example, in the NMM timeline, if she traveled to before NMM returned (season 1 episode 1 but the Rainboom never happened), and warned Celestia, and brought the Mane 6 together herself, that would lead to Luna's reformation. Then, our Starlight would travel to meet her alternate self and lead other Starlight to Twilight, to possibly learn alongside her and prevent other Starlight from ever creating more alternate timelines.
This prevents other Starlight from time-traveling and breaking the multiverse, and if does was done with all 7 Starlights and Mane 6s in the 7 timelines we saw in Season 5, that means
A) if Starlight created those timelines and no other universes exist, she prevented them from ever existing by saving herself from her path
B) if infinite timelines always existed and Starlight merely allowed access to them in s5, then by saving herself from ever time traveling, she's locked those timelines from ever being visited, and letting them play out without intervention
Both of these seem like a win to me. One could argue that a multiverse in MLP has always existed due to the comics (Sawtooth's other Multiverse video) but from just s5, if Starlight wanted to correct her mistake, these 2 ways are how I see it playing out

@NeuroEmpathJewel Well it is confusing to think about unlimited stuff, because unlimited is... well unlimited. It really is just something a human mind cannot really comprehend. A small fraction of unlimited is still unlimited, so even if 99.9% of all timelines are cleared, there will still be unlimited not cleared timelines.
And then there is the question: How many timelines did our Starlight really create? Sure Twilight visited 7 (was it 7? I think it was 7 XD) timelines, but how many unvisited timelines are there? Every second, unlimited (there it is again, the super confusing term) new timelines get created (unless there is like some "universal tick-speed", then you could say that every passing "tick" generates one timeline, but now assuming this "universal tick" = 0, you would get a new timeline every 0 seconds), so you have unlimited "created" timelines for every Starlight. Now... Were they even created or have they always been there and Twilight just had her "timeline access" changed?

Also another meme I spontaneously thought of:
"Also I didn't mention the 'nothing is left' timeline because I'm not sure anything can be done in it"
Terraforming: Am I a joke to you?

@NeuroEmpathJewel Well it is confusing to think about unlimited stuff, because unlimited is... well unlimited. It really is just something a human mind cannot really comprehend. A small fraction of unlimited is still unlimited, so even if 99.9% of all timelines are cleared, there will still be unlimited not cleared timelines.
And then there is the question: *How many* timelines did our Starlight *really* create? Sure Twilight _visited_ 7 (was it 7? I think it was 7 XD) timelines, but how many _unvisited_ timelines are there? Every second, unlimited (there it is again, the super confusing term) new timelines get created (unless there is like some "universal tick-speed", then you could say that every passing "tick" generates one timeline, but now assuming this "universal tick" = 0, you would get a new timeline every 0 seconds), so you have unlimited "created" timelines for every Starlight. Now... Were they even _created_ or have they always been there and Twilight just had her "timeline access" changed?

Also another meme I spontaneously thought of:
"Also I didn't mention the 'nothing is left' timeline because I'm not sure anything can be done in it"
Terraforming: Am I a joke to you?

@scifi DINO True, since the possibilities are endless, there are unlimited different ways something as large as the Mane 6 not coming together can impact the multiverse, and that means no one person can fix all of it. This implies the multiverse is permanently broken in some parts, which is both really interesting, and really confusing to think about. In Sawtooth's video about Starlight's Multiverse, they only mentioned the timelines we saw in season 5, as they are directly caused by our Straight. But perhaps, seeing as there are several Starlights, there could be several of them trying to set it right, or the way I see this working, each reformed Starlight (I say reformed cause at least in a few timelines, there's gotta be unreformed Starlights) fixes the timelines she created. So, our Starlight fixes the Chrysalis, Sombra, NMM, Discord, Flim-Flam and Tirek timelines (all the ones she sent Twilight to. Also I didn't mention the 'nothing is left' timeline because I'm not sure anything can be done in it). Meanwhile, other Starlights from other universes fix the timelines they created (which are different from the ones our Starlight created) so balance can return to the Multiverse. Does that make sense?

@NeuroEmpathJewel "We don't know how many timelines there exist in total" For me the answer is unlimited timelines, which equals unlimited Starlights that want revenge.
And I just realized this entangled and confusing multiverse complex could serve as a great parody/comedy XD
And unlimited timelines would mean that these time ponies would try to do the impossible XD Maybe one timeline can only interact with like 1 000 other timelines and they just kinda try to shove all ponies that don't belong into their timeline out of it?🤔😂 Also very fun to think of

Also "how many Starlights exist" kinda reminds me of ForgaLorga's videos! XD (great mlp animation channel)

@scifi DINO no problem, buddy
Like I said, Star Wars is Star Wars, and there's something in it that interests everyone, so you can pretty much pick and choose which part of it you'd like to know, and there's probably at least one piece of media that would cover just that. It's the beauty of Star Wars, really.
I'm really interested in history and lore, thus my fascination with the Old Republic

@scifi DINO .... That's actually genius.
We don't know how many timelines there exist in total, and how many Starlights exist who want to get revenge. Perhaps when Starlight casted the spell, it caused a rift in the multiverse and caused this to happen?! Wow, I love this theory, cause it is still very much possible, and makes total sense to me! I agree it would be huge and universe-shattering, and this could actually align with another theory Sawtooth made called 'Starlight's Multiverse'
In that video, they say that since those timelines still exist and are the way they are because of Starlight, she and all the ponies with the hour glass cutie mark travel between worlds to set things right and make sure the Mane 6 meet in all of them. Perhaps, if that theory were true, part of their mission would be to return everyone to their original world!!

@NeuroEmpathJewel Oh okay, thanks for the clarification :) As said, this is my first time using non-binary pronouns, so I thought like "well it's singular, so I'll go with "was"" XD<br>And Star Wars my Star Wars knowledge tends to go more in the direction of spaceships, weaponry and technology in general (again, mostly post-Naboo crisis to pre-battle of Endor😅)

@NeuroEmpathJewel Oh okay, thanks for the clarification :) As said, this is my first time using non-binary pronouns, so I thought like "well it's singular, so I'll go with "was"" XD
And Star Wars my Star Wars knowledge tends to go more in the direction of spaceships, weaponry and technology in general (again, mostly post-Naboo crisis to pre-battle of Endor😅)

@scifi DINO Cool, Star Wars is Star Wars, you do you, my friend. I'm pretty deep into Star Wars lore though, canon and legends, especially the Old Republic era. <br>Also, I'm not sure if this was a grammatical mistake or not, but you used 'they was'. People who use they/them pronouns use the correct grammar to go with it, so to describe a non-binary person, you'd still say 'they were' instead of 'they was'. Only difference is that it applies to a single person rather than a group of people. If it was just a typing error, then no problem, but if it wasn't, I hope I could clear things up for you

@scifi DINO Cool, Star Wars is Star Wars, you do you, my friend. I'm pretty deep into Star Wars lore though, canon and legends, especially the Old Republic era.
Also, I'm not sure if this was a grammatical mistake or not, but you used 'they was'. People who use they/them pronouns use the correct grammar to go with it, so to describe a non-binary person, you'd still say 'they were' instead of 'they was'. Only difference is that it applies to a single person rather than a group of people. If it was just a typing error, then no problem, but if it wasn't, I hope I could clear things up for you

@NeuroEmpathJewel I just had another thought: If Starlight messed up reality in this timeline, why can't Starlights of other timelines mess up theirs aswell? Our Luna problem would be solved (in a not-so-tragic way) if this Luna was simply pushed into the Discord timeline from another timeline where she was reformed! XD
We would get an enormously confusing and wired together multiverse complex where nobody would know who comes from which timeline!
That could also explain why for instance Minuette and Doctor Whooves share the same cutie mark! Like what if Doctor Whooves was like thrown here from another timeline where Minuette had a different mark and the "doctor of this timeline" has another cutie mark? XDDD

@NeuroEmpathJewel My knowledge is mostly post-Naboo crisis to pre-battle of Endor, I have to say that I basically know nothing about the old republic XD

I found out that Sawtooth was a Star Wars fan when I saw the "finally solving the royal guard" video where they was like "Good, twice the Sawtooth, double the horse theory" XD

@scifi DINO Sweet! I know Sawtooth is as well, I remember being so surprised when Sawtooth brought up Ashla and Bogan and the legends lore of Star Wars in the 'Elements of Disharmony' video wayyyy back in the day.. you never know what you'll find here!

@NeuroEmpathJewel Of course! I'm Star Wars Fan too!

@NeuroEmpathJewel Of course! I'm Star Wars Fan too!

@scifi DINO That would be the icing on the cake! I'd reply a 'General Kenobi' for the memes though lol, if you understand this reference ;)

@NeuroEmpathJewel
"Now if only we could travel to alternate realities and see for ourself..."
Now we need somebody with the username "Starlight Glimmer" to reply a "Hello there" under this one! XD

@scifi DINO Haha you're right, I see this as possible only if MLP was a universe with dark stuff like this. But in the universe we live in, our beloved ponies are colorful, light and wholesome. Maybe in all alternate reality where MLP was dark, this could happen? Now if only we could travel to alternate realities and see for ourself...

@scifi DINO You pretty much got every question we tried to answer here! Good job, it can't have been easy, there's so many mysteries still left to be solved. Also, I love the name the Overlords for Tia, Luna and Discord lol, it suits them. And yes, Sawtooth has asked to be referred to as they/them, so you're using it right, don't worry.
Yeah, (some) YouTube comment sections really are great in getting you to think and letting you forget your worries for at least some time, and this community has been a part of that joy for me as well, thanks to people like you.
Here's to hoping Sawtooth puts their brilliant mind to these questions and gives them an answer! ✨

@NeuroEmpathJewel I've got a darker theory for how Luna was present in the Discord timeline...

What if the Luna there wasn't the "real" Luna?
When NMM returned, there were no Mane 6 or elements there to reform her, so Celestia had to fight NMM herself. Now what if Luna somehow died in the fight and Celestia later created a "clone" of her in an attempt to reduce her own pain and guilt?...

Ah, screw it, I am in the mlp fandom for comedy and to cheer myself up (and ponies shooting each others with lasers), not some dark stories!

@NeuroEmpathJewel The S5 finale gives so much theory/discussion potential!! XD

Tia in the pilot arc basically waiting in the back to see if Twilight succeeds with NMM reminds me of a funny comic I saw on DeviantArt (this one: https://www.deviantart.com/doublewbrothers/art/What-If-Celestia-01-825078009 ), which kinda toys around with "what if the Mane 6 never existed?".
And having a theory from Sawtooth about all this would be really interesting, to see what they(Is it correct? I never used non-binary pronouns) thinks. (Even though that's a lot of stuff! XD)

To recap...
-How was Luna present during the Discord timeline? How was she reformed?
-Why wasn't Luna banished to Tartarus 1 000 years ago when she first turned into NMM?
-How was Celestia banished to the moon?
     -The video of Sawtooth about "How did Chrysalis succeed" brought up another idea: What if Celestia wasn't actually banished to the moon but captured somewhere else and the banished to the moon thing was some kind of "public propaganda"?
-How do the elements of harmony work?

     -Why don't they cause areal damage?
     -How is the punishment selected?
     -Why don't they "reprogram" the mind of the villains?
          -Where is the powerlimit for the elements? (Maybe they just aren't powerful enough to get deep enough into the mind of somepony with raised magic-protection)
     -how do you activate the elements? Like how do Rainbow Dash, Rarity and Apple Jack, Ponys that well... don't really qualify for their representation, activate their elements?
-How powerful are the Overlords? (Pretty my term for Luna, Celestia and Discord lol) How powerful are friendship and love?

And no problem for the reading and replying, having comment discussions on YouTube makes a lot of fun, it played a big part in saving me from being bored during Corona XD

@NeuroEmpathJewel The S5 finale gives so much theory/discussion potential!! XD

Tia in the pilot arc basically waiting in the back to see if Twilight succeeds with NMM reminds me of a funny comic I saw on DeviantArt (this one: https://www.deviantart.com/doublewbrothers/art/What-If-Celestia-01-825078009 ), which kinda toys around with "what if the Mane 6 never existed?".
And having a theory from Sawtooth about all this would be really interesting, to see what they(Is it correct? I never used non-binary pronouns) thinks. (Even though that's a lot of stuff! XD)

To recap...
-How was Luna present during the Discord timeline? How was she reformed?
-Why wasn't Luna banished to Tartarus 1 000 years ago when she first turned into NMM?
-How was Celestia banished to the moon?
     -The video of Sawtooth about "How did Chrysalis succeed" brought up another idea: *What if Celestia wasn't actually banished to the moon but captured somewhere else and the banished to the moon thing was some kind of "public propaganda"?*
-How do the elements of harmony work?
     -Why don't they cause areal damage?
     -How is the punishment selected?
     -Why don't they "reprogram" the mind of the villains?
          -Where is the powerlimit for the elements? (Maybe they just aren't powerful enough to get deep enough into the mind of somepony with raised magic-protection)
     -how do you activate the elements? Like how do Rainbow Dash, Rarity and Apple Jack, Ponys that well... don't really _qualify_ for their representation, activate their elements?
-How powerful are the Overlords? (Pretty my term for Luna, Celestia and Discord lol) How powerful are friendship and love?

And no problem for the reading and replying, having comment discussions on YouTube makes a lot of fun, it played a big part in saving me from being bored during Corona XD

@scifi DINO Yeah lol, reprogramming the villains instead of letting them change by taking away their power or the cause of their 'evil' would be... Something. But in the end of the day, like the maximum power levels of the characters, we only have to theorise an explanation. <br>Thank you, once again, for reading and replying to my long and sometimes unfocused thoughts lol. It's fun talking to someone just as interested in MLP and this universe as me. I kinda hope Sawtooth reads this, they could probably actually make something out of our several long explanations.

@scifi DINO Yeah lol, reprogramming the villains instead of letting them change by taking away their power or the cause of their 'evil' would be... Something. But in the end of the day, like the maximum power levels of the characters, we only have to theorise an explanation.
Thank you, once again, for reading and replying to my long and sometimes unfocused thoughts lol. It's fun talking to someone just as interested in MLP and this universe as me. I kinda hope Sawtooth reads this, they could probably actually make something out of our several long explanations.

@scifi DINO Thank you for your reply, and though I disagree on the power levels you mentioned here, I have to agree to your final point, that the most logical way of things to happen is for Celestia to have simply reformed Luna herself, negating the special aspect about the Mane 6, because any other explanation we have both discussed leaves a plot hole or doesn't match with continuity somewhere else.
It's ironic really, that in the end of the episode, in the ruined timeline where nothing is left, Twilight makes a point about how every friendship is special and unique, and even letting one not form can have disastrous implications, and yes, though this is proven in many timelines she saw, the Discord timeline unintentionally disproves this point because the only non canon-breaking explanation for that one is that Celestia could reform Luna herself.
Knowing what we know now about Celestia letting Twilight handle all the threats to Equestria so she can be prepared to rule in the future, what if, in all the alternate timelines, she's either waiting or personally sent Twilight herself to make friends and save their world? Perhaps when she failed, Tia stepped in herself to reform her sister. Just some food for thought.

Because we never find out her in-universe power, or Luna's, or Discord's, all interpretations of their power is different, the theory we've both presented here may never perfectly fit into canon. But hey, that's the fun of theories, right?

@Sawtooth Waves You are so smart! You could teach at a school for ponies!

@NeuroEmpathJewel Hmmm... The theory with the elements makes sense.

I guess we shouldn't try to get too deep into the philosophy of the elements of harmony, then somebody will start to recommend the elements just reprogramming the way the villains think XD

@NeuroEmpathJewel
I could have understood why Celestia didn't banish NMM to Tartarus if the fight went down like this: Celestia held back a majority of her power because she didn't want to hurt her sister but then she got a critical hit and crashed next to the elements by luck and kinda used them as a last resort to prevent getting killed herself and the elements decided to be stupid, but the way the show portrays the fight it really is kinda disappointing und it doesn't really make sense. (In general overlord level combat isn't epic enough)
Btw my thoughts on magic power levels are
Discord > Celestia > Friendship > Elements > NMM (I see the sun as more powerful than friendship, being a power that isn't limited to the planet)

And yeah, the way the elements work is very strange... Putting the limited damage aside, there are so many conditions... needing all 6 to be present, needing the wielder(s) to have the right personality/ies and doing damage in ways the operator has no control over... Not a really practical weapon...
And you're right, the power of friendship does that too, so... should they be considered unqualified as weapons?

To the timelines:
1)The thought that NMM won their first duel is interesting, being that Twilight didn't travel just to a timeline without Rainboom, but instead travelling into a timeline where history itself occurred completely different. But this would require NMM to either be able to use the need-high-personality-requirements elements or be as powerful ad these, which I both consider improbable.
2)So if I got everything correct that one requires NMM to defeat Celestia, right? But then It doesn't really make sense for Discord to bring back Celestia since he would pretty much be bringing back the only being that poses a non-negligible threat, but to put it in Discords words: "what fun is there in making sense" (I mean was literally guiding the mane 6 to defeat him too), so I guess it is possible, even though that would only underline Discords incompetence even more XD
Either way, it is pretty confusing. The fact that we neither know Discord's, Celestia's nor Luna's/NMM's full extends of power and there isn't any "universal fandom interpretation" of it doesn't make it easier.

My personal favorite probably is now that Celestia was able to turn NMM back to Luna (boring, I know XD), even though I would have liked it more that the Mane 6 were like the important bound between Celestia and Luna that brought them together...

@NeuroEmpathJewel
I could have understood why Celestia didn't banish NMM to Tartarus if the fight went down like this: Celestia held back a majority of her power because she didn't want to hurt her sister but then she got a critical hit and crashed next to the elements by luck and kinda used them as a last resort to prevent getting killed herself and the elements decided to be stupid, but the way the show portrays the fight it really is kinda disappointing und it doesn't really make sense. (In general overlord level combat isn't epic enough)
Btw my thoughts on magic power levels are
Discord > Celestia > Friendship > Elements > NMM (I see the sun as more powerful than friendship, being a power that isn't limited to the planet)

And yeah, the way the elements work is very strange... Putting the limited damage aside, there are so many conditions... needing all 6 to be present, needing the wielder(s) to have the right personality/ies and doing damage in ways the operator has no control over... Not a really practical weapon...
And you're right, the power of friendship does that too, so... should they be considered unqualified as weapons?

To the timelines:
1)The thought that NMM won their first duel is interesting, being that Twilight didn't travel just to a timeline without Rainboom, but instead travelling into a timeline where history itself occurred completely different. But this would require NMM to either be able to use the need-high-personality-requirements elements or be as powerful ad these, which I both consider improbable.
2)So if I got everything correct that one requires NMM to defeat Celestia, right? But then It doesn't really make sense for Discord to bring back Celestia since he would pretty much be bringing back the only being that poses a non-negligible threat, but to put it in Discords words: "what fun is there in making sense" (I mean was literally guiding the mane 6 to defeat him too), so I guess it is possible, even though that would only underline Discords incompetence even more XD
Either way, it *is* pretty confusing. The fact that we neither know Discord's, Celestia's nor Luna's/NMM's full extends of power and there isn't any "universal fandom interpretation" of it doesn't make it easier.

My personal favorite probably is now that Celestia was able to turn NMM back to Luna (boring, I know XD), even though I would have liked it more that the Mane 6 were like _the_ important bound between Celestia and Luna that brought them together...

@scifi DINO I asked my sibling about the elements thing as they're also a fan of MLP and Sawtooth, and they gave me this theory about how they work
So it basically hinges on the fact that the elements, and the magic of friendship in general, knows or can sense the person the Mane 6 are fighting, so it figures out a personalised punishment for them so they can learn from it.
NMM was banished to the moon so for those 1000 years, she couldn't control the moon, but rather, she had to accept and live with the moon being controlled by her sister, which may have led to get resenting Tia more.
The second time she tried to take over in Season 1, when she saw the Mane 6 wielding the elements, something in her must have wanted that, as they are just ordinary ponies, with no special princess status or power, wielding magic simply because of their friendship. If just that can make them powerful and content with their friendship, maybe she can be content with her place too. This feeling could have made the elements give her one more chance instead of just banishment again.
For Discord, he was redeemable, but out of control, so the elements turned him to mundane stone, regular, ordinary, completely non-chaotic but not irreversible cause he can be redeemed.
Tirek, to Tartarus, cause he probably needed some time to reflect on his actions and maybe come to his own conclusion, while trapped in a prison with no power when at one point, he had all of it.
With the Pony of Shadows, the elements pull Stygian out, probably sensing the good in him while pushing back the darkness.
With Sunset, again, the Crown/Friendship Magic must have sensed her potential as a good person, and thus opted to redeem.
With Sombra in season 9, he wasn't corrupted (in canon at least) and he'd tried to take over for the 3rd time then. Maybe they sensed no goodness in him, and thus choose to vanquish (basically kill) him
With the Mean 3 in the finale, I suppose it gave them one chance because it sensed at least some hope for them, by draining their power but not reforming them as they're not corrupted by magic, but rather by their minds.
Basically according to this theory which attempts to explain why the elements seem to have different punishments to different villains, it tries to give them a chance at redemption by offering them something related to or the exact opposite of their power (example: from chaos to non moving stone but leaving him alive and able to think) so they can reflect and hopefully, see the value of friendship. What do you think?

@scifi DINO Huh, you make a good point about Tartarus as a banishment instead of the Moon, especially if Tia wanted to reform NMM.
I too, question the elements, but their power seems to be fixed in universe as the possible second best power source in the universe, only second to the Magic of Friendship itself.
I see your point about the elements, but since Tia used them to defeat NMM the first time after failing herself, I always thought of it as
Friendship>Elements>Discord>Nightmare Moon>Celestia
My problem with the elements is entirely on how they work, as they seem to have a mind of their own, banishing to the moon, turning to stone, reforming and sending to Tarturus as they please, as neither Celestia nor the Mane 6 seem to control that. Though I suppose that is true for all forms of magic, as even in Season 9, in the Beginning of the End, the Friendship Magic seems to permanently vanquish Sombra, while just draining the magic in Ending of the End.
As for the timelines, as you stated, in one, NMM succeeds, and in another, Discord succeeds. What's interesting here is that in Discord's world, both Tia and Luna are in Equestria, not corrupted. Unless Discord somehow brought back Tia and Luna, there is an unnamed event which led to that which we do not yet know of. I'm guessing either
1) (this one I'm not convinced on cause there's still some timeline and elements problems with this one) NMM won their first duel so a 1000 years later, Tia returns, uncorrupted (somehow), and defeats NMM in the alternate first episode of the show, or
2) Discord broke free in a world where NMM was banished, returned in an alternate 1st episode, defeated Tia since there is no Mane 6 without the Rainboom, and is ruling Equestria. Discord then possibly turned NMM back to Luna and brought back Celestia from the moon, to keep an eye on them, taunt them for eternity, or make sure they can never defeat him in case both their corrupted forms together try to (by making sure they never get corrupted, cause who knows what would happen to Tia on the moon? We never find out Daybreaker's full power outside of Starlight's dream, it could maybe rival Discord's).
Again, I'm still pretty confused about this, and sorry if I made it more confusing, but these are just my rambles. Thank you for listening and replying to my thoughts so far

@NeuroEmpathJewel Yeah, the entire arc was very confusing! XD

But these are like alternate universes, so in one NMM succeeds and in the other Discord succeeds, so in a timeline, only one of those can happen.
So all the timelines happen in the present day, just in alternate timelines (so no space ships and plasma guns).

Now come to speak of NMMs take over, how can NMM banish Celestia to the moon? Would this mean the elements aren't the only thing that can do that? The fact that they can't do any areal damage already lets me question their power, but now seeing that NMM also can do something that the elements did, that makes them kinda as useless as the Mane 6 XD

And btw I place the power of a fully utilized Celestia or Discord over the elements anyways, and now the elements seem weaker than NMM too?

And I don't know why banish her the first time and reform her the second time, I don't even know why she banished her the first time XD (I mean Tartarus is a much better thing to do because Celestia can still continue to talk to NMM that way)

@NeuroEmpathJewel Yeah, the entire arc was very confusing! XD

But these are like alternate universes, so in *one* NMM succeeds and in the *other* Discord succeeds, so in a timeline, only one of those can happen.
So all the timelines happen in the present day, just in alternate timelines (so no space ships and plasma guns).

Now come to speak of NMMs take over, how can NMM banish Celestia to the moon? Would this mean the elements aren't the only thing that can do that? The fact that they can't do any areal damage already lets me question their power, but now seeing that NMM also can do something that the elements did, that makes them kinda as useless as the Mane 6 XD

And btw I place the power of a fully utilized Celestia or Discord over the elements anyways, and now the elements seem weaker than NMM too?

And I don't know why banish her the first time and reform her the second time, I don't even know why she banished her the first time XD (I mean Tartarus is a much better thing to do because Celestia can still continue to talk to NMM that way)

@scifi DINO True. Though the Mane 6 still represent the elements and their friendship is still the biggest power Equestria has, there is one other way to defeat NMM. <br>Perhaps it's just Celestia stealing and using the elements again, though why it would reform now and not just banish again? Idk. Plus also the fact that to banish NMM after returming to Equestria would mean Tia was banished for a 1000 years, which wouldn't align with Discord as that happens in the alternate universe's present. Though I do remember Nightmare mentioning something about 'my sister has been banished to the moon for a millenium' which implies Tia lost the first duel between them??? Sorry if I went on a bit of a ramble here, I just have a lot of thoughts on this lol

@scifi DINO True. Though the Mane 6 still represent the elements and their friendship is still the biggest power Equestria has, there is one other way to defeat NMM.
Perhaps it's just Celestia stealing and using the elements again, though why it would reform now and not just banish again? Idk. Plus also the fact that to banish NMM after returming to Equestria would mean Tia was banished for a 1000 years, which wouldn't align with Discord as that happens in the alternate universe's present. Though I do remember Nightmare mentioning something about 'my sister has been banished to the moon for a millenium' which implies Tia lost the first duel between them??? Sorry if I went on a bit of a ramble here, I just have a lot of thoughts on this lol

@NeuroEmpathJewel Yes but now we know that there is atleast one alternate path to reform Luna without the Mane 6.

This means that the thing that kinda was the Mane 6' biggest achievement is gone...

@scifi DINO I don't think they were entirely useless, I still believe Celestia couldn't reform Luna alone as in the Nightmare Moon timeline, we see that Celestia has been banished. But maybe Celestia and another group of friends like the CMCs maybe? Idk I haven't really gotten any big headcanons for this

OMG wait you're right!!!
Celestia reformed Luna without the Mane 6?! I mean... how?!

I always saw the reformation of NMM as the biggest success of the Mane 6 because I always thought they were the only one that could do this, but now they're kinda useless... (because there isn't anything else they can do that Celestia can't)

you're exactly right, I'm curious how it was possible as well. looking into it c:


I love that Sawtooth explains all this just to have their past self do the exact same thing in the future, creating a loop, after explaining loops. Very clever, Sawtooth.


Time travel is so incredibly confusing I swear-


There are no dislikes because this video is so amazing and intriguing.

@Raptor Zeraora atleast the dislikes are 69


Around the time this video came out, I had come up with a theory that the way this loop happened was, there was a disaster and twilight needed to fix it! She sends a letter to Celestia, who suggests going back in time to warn her past self with the time spell from the star swirl wing. After going back in time and coming back, she and the rest of the mane six use the elements of harmony to stop the disaster.<br>Also, imagine the loop is still going on to this day in G5

Around the time this video came out, I had come up with a theory that the way this loop happened was, there was a disaster and twilight needed to fix it! She sends a letter to Celestia, who suggests going back in time to warn her past self with the time spell from the star swirl wing. After going back in time and coming back, she and the rest of the mane six use the elements of harmony to stop the disaster.
Also, imagine the loop is still going on to this day in G5

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Hey, this was a very cool video! I doubt you are the first person to explain that thing with the knowledge that came from nowhere in time loops, but you did a great job explaining it, and you did it with a fan favourite time loop.


Technically... a disaster DID happen in that episode.

Tirek got lose from Tartarus BECAUSE Cerberus left the gate.

Yes, it took 2 seasons for him to gain enough power to become a threat, but it still happened.


This is a really good explanation for a time paradox, thanks I would haver never get this idea.


This is really solid I can't actually find any flaws to this
Here's a new question tho, what would have happened to each Twilight prior to the paradoxical one after the Time-Spell had ended?
Applying the same concept you had in the theory of Starlight's Time-Travelling, it'd likely be that each Twilight is still in her own timeline. Would that Twilight's timeline be affected at all by the time-travel? Surely it wasn't just fully deleted or smth

This is really solid I can't actually find any flaws to this
Here's a new question tho, what would have happened to each Twilight prior to the paradoxical one _after_ the Time-Spell had ended?
Applying the same concept you had in the theory of Starlight's Time-Travelling, it'd likely be that each Twilight is still in her own timeline. Would that Twilight's timeline be affected at all by the time-travel? Surely it wasn't just fully deleted or smth


Hey, love your theory and love that doctor strange reference. I think I have something more to add. What if that actual disaster in the first iteration was the changing attack on center lot. Perhaps the first future Twilight was coming back to warn her past self in an effort to stop Queen Cryslis before she invaded Canterlot.


Awesome!!! You're so smart. I could never come up with that theory. This is a great theory and it fits perfectly. And I think that's exactly what happened without hesitation. I knew your video had to be amazing, since you kept us waiting for two weeks.


Love this concept, Can't wait until you post again! BRO-HOOF!


I really love how you integrate the topic of the video with the context of the video! It's something that inspires me to become a content creator one day ^^


Okay, now I can use this knowledge to explain where the peach came from in the Milo Murphy’s Law time loop (in the episode “Missing Milo”).
For those who don’t know, at the time in question, the characters were about to run right into an army of pistachio monsters, but a peach was thrown at them to stop them so they would see the pistachio monsters and not run into them. Later, they go back in time and see themselves about to run into the pistachio monsters, so they throw the same peach at themselves to warn them, but then they have this big existential crisis of where did we get the peach?
So basically what Sawtooth would be implying based on this theory is that the characters originally got caught by the pistachio monsters, but they escape, get the peach, and go back in time and throw it at themselves to warn them. But now they have the peach and can just use the same peach over and over again.

At a later episode, “Fungus Among Us,” a similar thing happens with a letter Milo wrote to send to himself in the past. He just decides to use the same one instead of writing a new one. So before that time loop started, he realized he needed to deliver a letter to his past self, so he writes it and delivers it to his past self, who then uses it on his next past self, and so on and so forth.


Now I just want them to explain that peach throw paradox in Milo Murphy’s Law. I wonder what sort of starting incident they could come up with.


tl;dw the solution to the bootstrap paradox is that traveling in time the first time and altering events eventually leads to a time loop occurring. In this case the loop occurs due to Twilight trying to fix a problem she already solved and traveling in time out of paranoia. (of course it’s not a true loop as minuscule, unobservable changes may eventually lead to different outcomes)


So, according to that theory, that means after a time travel, there's no way to go to a past point of the same timeline? Since eventually it modify the results of said timeline, creating a different one, so even in a timeloop, all the timelines are still different ones, generating infinite timelines?


Hold on, if the loop that twilight made was repeating over and over again, then how was it stopped or maybe it wasn't


In Doctor Who's case, the Tardis could've influenced the Doctor's lever choice via the telepathic circuit.