You could’ve gone down the biblical path of explaining how we have dominion over animals but it’s not like this guy would’ve understood cause he was too busy explaining how he’s 100 percent correct lol. Just cause we kill animals doesn’t make it immoral. Humans are not animals therefore a human life has much more significance than an animals because we were created in the image of god and have free will.
Shoulda mentioned how it’s a good chain and if we didn’t eat animals it would f*** the whole food chain so we’re just keeping it in check, and I’m glad to hear ur a Christian brother God bless 🙏🏼
To everyone kosher meat is good the animals are treated good and are checked for diseases. Treating animals bad is horrible but part of there existence is to sustain ours. Pain is part of the circle of life just how other animals eat other animals how ever we as human do not eat our own because we have the strong ability of choice, animals are kind in nature and so you should eat the animals that have a clean nature because this effects our nature.
And the sacrifices in those times are no comparison of morallity then human sacrfices that existed in the past by many cults and religions that murdered innocent babies children men and women.
Please be respectful and take veganism seriously. It's hardly even a choice when people become vegan. It is a paradigm shift, a change in perspective. We realized we were wrong in our actions and we had a moral obligation to live a different way. I can't go back on that even if I wanted to. Are you against animal abuse? Then you're already vegan at heart. Align your actions with your ethics, the only thing you'll regret is not doing it sooner. ✌️
He man, remember this, a sacrifice is willingly given, the animals u say u sacrifice don't willingly give u their lives. Hope u can see your are needlessly stealing their one and only possession and the thing that matters most to them. You'd make a great Vegan bro, u can do it, believe it.
@Champ I must say, Kosher is worse as the animal is fully conscious when they needlessly have a knife dragged across their throat and suffer immensely while they bleed out, terrified. If you wouldn't do it to a human then it's not acceptable for any sentient animal. Animals deserve our protection as we are the smarter and more powerful. The strong protect the weak, we don't exploit and murder others for pleasure.
@MELVIN LUNER, Is it good when people who eat dogs and cats question the ethics of eating them? Would it be good if they went vegan? If they went vegan, would it be no better than if they merely stopped eating dogs, but kept eating cows?
“In their behavior toward creatures, all men are Nazis. Human beings see oppression vividly when they're the victims. Otherwise they victimize blindly and without a thought.” — Isaac Bashevis Singer
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@Krwiomocz.Bogurodzicy Ⓥ well as a Cristian the Bible says we may feed on animals that’s the main reason why we still do and in other cases I want to have a balanced diet not just forcing my self to eat grass all the time if u don’t want to eat meat I wouldn’t stop you no one will cuz there would be more for me 😋 to eat I wouldn’t stop you same as you wouldn’t stop me Everyone to themselves If you want use to stop killing animals try telling that to a starving lion and tell me if it wouldn’t Devore you It’s the cycle of life bro 🤷🏾♂️ It’s a sad world we live in It can’t be stoped
@Aiden Guardalben Dominion does not mean we should needlessly murder others even if u feel they have less moral worth. To them, they value their life and bodily autonomy as much as u do your own. U can be faithful theist by not killing innocent beings as well, choose justice for them and us.
@MELVIN LUNER, Circle of life and lions, This is an appeal to nature fallacy.
Imagine hearing a baby-killer say he or she will stop killing babies when you make lion stop killing their cubs. Or a rapist saying he will stop raping women if male ducks stop raping female ducks. Just because animals fight, murder, rape and steal from each other, doesn't mean it's justified for humans to do the same (interestingly enough to peaceful herbivorous animals like cows). Animals are not moral agents, they are moral patients. Still some animals sometimes display moral behaviour: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLIacjWbHUdUCgA1Ac-6rnsFBUfqsREww2
“It's a sad World, it can't be stopped.” Can be said by anybody when criticized about anything.
“No snowflake ever feels response in an avalanche.” — SJ Lec
“Never be a spectator of unfairness or stupidity. Seek out argument and disputation for their own sake; the grave will supply plenty of time for silence. Suspect your own motives, and all excuses.* Do not live for others any more than you would expect others to live for you.” — Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian
* emphasis mine
“Everything that is not forbidden by the laws of nature is achievable given the right knowledge.”
To make matters worse, Christian God condones genocide, slavery, infanticide Himself. And is the opposite of good. A good God wouldn't expect worship, an evil God wouldn't deserve it.
Racism: “Harass the Midianites, and defeat them” —Numbers 25:17
“Thus cleansed I them from all strangers.” —Nehemiah 13:30
“As for your male and female slaves whom you may have: you may buy male and female slaves from among the nations that are round about you. You may also buy from among the strangers [NRSV: “aliens”] who sojourn with you and their families that are with you, who have been born in your land; and they may be your property.” — Leviticus 25:44–46
Genocide: “You must not let anything that breathes remain alive. You shall annihilate them.” —Deuteronomy 20:16–17
Infanticide: “O daughter Babylon, you devastator! Happy shall they be who pay you back what you have done to us! Happy shall they be who take your little ones and dash them against the rock!” — Psalm 137:8–9
“Their little ones shall be dashed in pieces, and their pregnant women ripped open.” —Hosea 13:16
“And I will not have mercy upon her children; for they be the children of whoredoms.” — Hosea 2:4
“I will punish the world for its evil. … Whoever is found will be thrust through, and whoever is caught will fall by the sword. Their infants will be dashed in pieces before their eyes; their houses will be plundered and their wives ravished. … Their bows will slaughter the young men; they will have no mercy on the fruit of the womb; their eyes will not pity children.” — Isaiah 13:11–18
@Josh Wong uh animals are not “others” animals are animals. Very different from human beings. And killing an animal for food isn’t needless. Meat is important. U can’t compare animals and humans when it comes to autonomy because animals don’t think like humans. They also don’t have souls. We are like god and we were created in his image animals are not like god. They are apart of creation designed for humans.
@Aiden Guardalben I agree they are different, but you are aware they feel pain and suffer like us and have families and care for their young if given freedom to do so? Are u aware the World Health Organisation classes red meat as a class 2A carcinogen? We don't want cancer so why would u want meat? U don't have to see them as like us or god to show respect and benevolence. I used to be a fisherman and ate animals for 34 years of my life, but the evidence is clear that we do not need to consume animals any more in this era. Go vegan and learn the ethics and you won't regret it, you'll wish you had done it long ago.
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Jay 4You2021-08-19 10:38:45 (edited 2021-08-19 19:04:15 )
@Aiden Guardalben Free will to be smart and compassionate too. Have you ever watched a documentary about how animals are treated in slaughter houses or even prior? How is that ok?
Look, I've watched and liked the vegan trolling video, but the vegan guy is indeed right about everything as even myself I started a few months ago some type of flexi-vegan diet ( introducing more vegan products into my diet but still eating meat sometimes) as I can't pretend to be an animal lover and be ok with the way they're being treated. They can't speak but they're so intelligent and therefore it's not ok. No one would be ok to have their cat or dog slaughtered for meat but because it's a pig( pigs are smarter than dogs) it's suddenly ok? Who are you to say what type of life is more significant than another?
The Bible path is outdated and frankly ridiculous , how many lamb a day do you sacrifice? How many adultery woman you stone ? Do you always tell the truth 24/7, never judge or commit any sin? Please stop. It's just convenient to hide behind the Bible like many do.
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Jay 4You2021-08-19 10:40:05 (edited 2021-08-19 10:51:49 )
@Cole Spradlin It has nothing to do with food chain. It's about compassion and if you're a real Christian, you should know what that is. Have you ever watched a documentary about how animals are treated in slaughter houses or even prior? How is that ok?
Look, I've watched and liked the vegan trolling video, but the vegan guy is indeed right about everything as even myself I started a few months ago some type of flexi-vegan diet ( introducing more vegan products into my diet but still eating meat sometimes) as I can't pretend to be an animal lover and be ok with the way they're being treated. They can't speak but they're so intelligent and therefore it's not ok. No one would be ok to have their cat or dog slaughtered for meat but because it's a pig( pigs are smarter than dogs) it's suddenly ok? Who are you to say what type of life is more significant than another?
The Bible path is outdated and frankly ridiculous , how many lamb a day fo you sacrifice? How many adultery woman you stone ? Do you always tell the truth 24/7, never judge or commit any sin? Please stop. It's just convenient to hide behind the Bible like many do.
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Jay 4You2021-08-19 10:44:35 (edited 2021-08-19 19:01:43 )
@Gunner Royal Maybe he did, but I'm 100% sure he didn't put them for us to treat them like they do in slaughter houses. It's literally inhuman.
And look I've watched and liked the vegan trolling video but the vegan guy is right about everything as even myself I started a few months ago some type of flexi-vegan diet ( introducing more vegan products into my diet but still eating meat sometimes) as I can't pretend to be an animal lover and be ok with the way they're being treated. They can't speak but they're so intelligent and therefore it's not ok. No one would be ok to have their cat or dog slaughtered in horrible circumstances for meat but because it's a pig( pigs are smarter than dogs) it's suddenly ok?. Nah the "God" excuse, is too easy when 99% of the people using God or the Bible, don't live by its exact principles.
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Jay 4You2021-08-19 10:50:15 (edited 2021-08-19 19:03:35 )
@Aiden Guardalben Meat is important, yes and no. We're in the 21st century and God gave us a brain and options. You can live a very healthy life and be vegan. Just look at some world famous athletes who are vegan. Have you ever watched a documentary about how animals are treated in slaughter houses or even prior? How is that ok? It's not only about the end result it's about the whole process.
Look, I've watched and liked the vegan trolling video, but the vegan guy is indeed right about everything as even myself I started a few months ago some type of flexi-vegan diet ( introducing more vegan products into my diet but still eating meat sometimes) as I can't pretend to be an animal lover and be ok with the way they're being treated. They can't speak but they're so intelligent and therefore it's not ok. No one would be ok to have their cat or dog slaughtered for meat but because it's a pig( pigs are smarter than dogs) it's suddenly ok? Who are you to say what type of life is more significant than another?
Going down the Bible path is outdated and frankly ridiculous , how many lamb a day do you sacrifice? How many adultery women do you stone ? Do you always tell the truth 24/7, never judge or commit any sin? Please stop. It's just convenient to hide behind the Bible like many do.
@Jay 4You stoning and sacrificing was something of the Old Testament you clearly haven’t study the Bible in depth. It’s no longer needed because of Jesus sacrifice. That’s why u don’t see people doing stuff like that. Animals can be treated better before being killed for food. Being intelligent doesn’t determine value. A human is more important then an animal and we have intrinsic value. I’m not saying. Its just a fact and that’s how god intended it to be. The Bible isn’t outdated. Some practices are no longer necessary. No one can take the wisdom and truth away from Gods word.
Jay 4You2021-08-19 11:19:15 (edited 2021-08-19 13:23:33 )
@Aiden Guardalben1- You're a walking contradiction because by definition outdated means old or no longer needed. So you're admitting that some references you wanted to use as an argument against veganism is outdated. Never said the entire Bible was, learn how to read to be relevant.
2- I don't think God came to you and said what he intended to do. You're assuming. But intelligence does determine value, value does call for compassion could it be for small or big things.
3- God created all beings, they're therefore all valued. If I'm an honest person who pretends to believe in God, I can't be ok with the way the meat industry treats animals.
4- I don't believe for a second that God intended to have mass production of animals, have them stuffed in cages eating their own feces or being bleached for your contentment. And that's what veganism is mainly against.
5- Fake Christians and prophets telling others what THEY think God intended have been around forever and they represent the vast majority of so-called Christians we unfortunately see today, but once you know better, you understand it's not a thing as I'm 100% sure you don't live by every single one of the Bible's principles.
Most vegans are agnostic or atheist. The thing is is where does he get a sense of morality from. Because if we just evolved where why we evolved are gain morality when it's survival of the fittest.
You should have also asked him if he's pro-life or pro-choice. Plus in the Bible God slaughtered the very first animal to clothe Adam and Eve.
@Aiden Guardalben if we have free will, do you think it's better to use our standing with love and compassion to protect the vulnerable? Do you think a compassionate and benevolent God would have given non-human animals the capacity to feel pain and suffer if they are here to be killed? Listen to your conscience that God gave you.
@Soycrates actually gods creation was perfect in the beginning. It was sin that brought corruption and confusion. Sin still corrupts the world today. Adam and Eve sinned and separated humanity from god. God gave them the ability to have free will and he gave them the decision to either obey or disobey because he is just. He could’ve just made us like robots but instead he designed us in a way so that we could make decisions for ourselves.
@Aiden Guardalben I agree with you, brother. Let's use our free will to live consciously, to make right of our sins and reduce suffering and to protect the vulnerable in this world. Back in the day, it was necessary for humans to kill and eat animals. However, today we have an abundance of plant-based foods which we can survive and thrive from. Why should we continue to cause suffering to these vulnerable animals if we don't need to? Is it not a form of greed and selfishness to value our tastebuds and convenience over the life of an animal that has the capacity to feel pain and suffer, and has a desire to live?
@Soycrates “When the Lord your God enlarges your territory, as he has promised you, and you say, ‘I will eat meat,’ because you crave meat, you may eat meat whenever you desire.
@Jay 4You dont say im "not a real christian' then call the bible outdated people are much more significant than animals and if u were a "real christian" u would know that sacraficing a lamb IS outdated bc that was a way to keep people in check and realize how precious life is but we stopped doing that after jesus christ our lord and savior died on the cross for our sins.
@Aiden Guardalben just because there's other ills in the world doesn't me we should turn a blind eye to this one, and it is disrespectful to rank pain and suffering in importance, suffering is suffering. It is also possible to care about multiple things at once. When we purchase animal products we are contributing to animal abuse.
@Aiden Guardalben Please don't use the Bible to condone an unnecessarily violent lifestyle. The Garden of Eden was a vegan garden. It is sin to consume animals unnecessarily. 1. “And to every beast of the earth, and to every bird of the air, and to everything that creeps on the earth, everything that has the breath of life, I have given every green plant for food.” —Genesis 1:30
2. “But Daniel resolved that he would not defile himself with the royal rations of food and wine … Then Daniel asked … ‘Let us be given vegetables to eat and water to drink.’ … At the end of ten days it was observed that they appeared better and fatter than all the young men who had been eating the royal rations.” —Daniel 1:8, 11–12, 15
3. “The wolf and the lamb shall feed together; the lion shall eat straw like an ox; but the serpent—its food shall be dust! They shall not hurt or destroy on all my holy mountain.” —Isaiah 65:25
4. “But ask the animals, and they will teach you; the birds of the air, and they will tell you.” —Job 12:7
5. “The righteous know the needs of their animals, but the mercy of the wicked is cruel.” —Proverbs 12:10
6. “He gives to the animals their food, and to the young ravens when they cry.” —Psalms 147:9
7. “I will make for you a covenant on that day with the wild animals, the birds of the air, and the creeping things of the ground; and I will abolish the bow, the sword, and war from the land; and I will make you lie down in safety.” —Hosea 2:18
8. “How long will the land mourn, and the grass of every field wither? For the wickedness of those who live in it the animals and the birds are swept away, and because people said, ‘He is blind to our ways.'” —Jeremiah 12:4
9. “Are not five sparrows sold for two pennies? Yet not one of them is forgotten in God’s sight.” —Luke 12:6
10. “Your righteousness is like the mighty mountains, your judgments are like the great deep; you save humans and animals alike, O Lord.” —Psalms 36:6
11. “Blessed are the merciful, for they will receive mercy.” —Matthew 5:7
Bro no one suffers from ptsd from slaughtering animals the use the certain gun thing that instantly puts the animal down no pain at all they don’t slice there throat till after there dead. That foo stupid
@Jay 4You u said going down the biblical path is outdated. What does that mean then? How can the biblical path be outdated if the Bible is still relevant today? I think that’s a contradiction right there
If we were vegan by nature in the beginning of our evolution to humanity then this conversation would never have occurred. So is the view of the vegan since we have made it past that part of our genetic evolution we no longer need to play role in hunters and become vegetated farmers and breeders to flourish (mother) earth?
@Aiden Guardalben Exactly. Vegans so often push that their diet is healthy, environmentally conscious, and an ethical alternative, but are, in reality, none of these, and are generally worse off in all of these aspects compared to our natural omnivorous diet.
@Devon Meyer bro vegans can be like i aint eating meat but that aint gonna change that the animal is already dead meat gives us nutrients that we need there are alternatives but they dont be tasting like this juicy burger on my plate rn
Well they’re moved in one at a time into what’s called a “kill box.” It’s a box that’s solid on all sides so that even the animals next in line to be slaughtered can’t see what’s going on in front of them. So it’s impossible for them to know what’s going to happen. One exception…
I mean, I’ve seen animals slaughtered while there were others present and in full view and none seemed perturbed about it. What gets animals going is when they smell the pheromones of a panicked animal that is left behind on the chute walls, gates, bars etc. When the next animal[s] get a whiff of that particular scent, they go nuts too; they never ask why they smell what they smell, they just react out of instinct (genetic survival because they’re prey animals). When they don’t smell such pheromones, they don’t think anything bad is going to happen to them; they don’t know they’re going to die next. They’re only concerned with being in an unfamiliar environment, but that’s about it.
@Carter Brown it’s fucking obvious plus people who got shot before say they could not feel it until later because of the Rush what they get of adrenaline and if shit in the head they will die before 2 minutes if done right
@Devon Meyer That's really not a good comparison at all. Imagine saying that as a defence for a human too. "Better to be shot to death because dying of old age or a disease is more painful."
@Jameson Mcripfist What exactly was the point then? You realize that the overwhelming majority of animal products consumed by humans are from factory farms in which animals needlessly live short painful lives of misery by the billions, right?
@V P I believe it was a comparison between wild living and factory farm living. I wasn't agreeing nor disagreeing, and I think my profanity may have been a bit over the top as a logical discussion would be preferable.
The point was that animals who lived in the wild statistically live shorter lives due to predators and other causes from being in the wild. At least that's what I took from inference.
I am in complete agreement that the lives of these animals are quite horrible, but there's almost nothing anyone can do because the industry is so large, and most people just don't care about living conditions of animals which will be executed.
@Jameson Mcripfist Okay... but where was the point I missed? They were saying that a death by gunshot is less painful than being eaten alive by another animal, which is true. What makes their point completely irrelevant is the fact that factory farming is done purely to satisfy the wants, not needs, of humans whereas animals eating one another is the only way they can survive.
@Zane UndertheSun moral relativism is the worldview that says everyone’s morality is unique to themselves and still somehow valid. It’s hard to rationalize the worldview because when a moral dichotomy arises, where one is directly opposed to the other, they can’t both be right.
@Justin Leung There’s nothing wrong with understanding other ideologies, but adopting them and mixing them with your Christianity leaves you with idolatry.
Mr. Yeet2021-11-30 10:57:24 (edited 2021-11-30 11:01:14 )
@islu! People only go to hospitals when they know they need healing. Likewise, know that the wages of sin is death and Jesus paid the price. Jesus sat with sinners because he did not sit with people who thought they were well. The farasis were hard-hearted and thought they earned heaven- Jesus said their father is the devil. So there you have the reference. We go to Jesus, we go to hospitals, and we only go if we realize we are broken. Jesus is our redeemer.
Jidion is the man but if he had any real understanding of the Bible and what it sanctions he'd definitely have NOTHING to do with it. I truly think Jidion hasn't ever really pondered the question of "why" he believes in the Bible.
@GodisGood No he talked about sacrificing lambs which was a thing in the Old Testament but they didn’t need to do that anymore when Jesus Christ the Son of God was sacrificed for our sins also in the beginning before Adam and Eve sinned they didn’t eat animals and the animals weren’t afraid of them but then they sinned and then they were allowed to eat animals
Yes, but some ideas are more valuable than others. A well defended and rational idea is much more valuable than an idea made on impulse. Ideas made on impulses are the main cause of pain and suffering in the world and result in no progress.
@Landon Lee And Every God denier says exactly what you said. You're hugging too tight to your sinful ways, to comprehend the freedom Jesus has to offer.
@Josue Portillo wow great argument bub. The amount of evidence you provided to prove your claim was astounding. And I know that for a Christian it’s pretty hard for you to not assume but I’m actually Muslim. The fact you deny a basic fact that every religion says that shows how close minded of a fool you are. The gates of hell will greet you no doubt
@Josue Portillo anyway there no ping arguing As you are one of the close minded Christian’s. Do you believe the earth is flat? Do you squeeze the blood of pigeons over alters? Do you think the earth is 6000 years old
@Landon Lee do you believe in Beating your wife , and marrying children? The prophet Muhammed did. If you don't repent and believe in Jesus you will perish with Muhammed, Buddha, and the Pope. Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. John 14:6
@Josue Portillo Joseph (pbuh) married Mary (pbuh) when she was 12. Do you seriously think that marriage back then was the same as now?? Also Muslims do believe in Jesus (pbuh), he’s a prophet, messenger and messiah. He isn’t god or the son of god.
We also follow Jesus (pbuh) better then you lot do. We don’t eat pork, which he also wouldn’t eat. Muslim women dress modestly and wear a hijab, the same way in which Mary (pbuh) did. Muslim men are supposed to have beards, the same way in which, Jesus Christ and every other prophet (pbut) had beards. We pray by prostrating, the same way in which Jesus would prostrate. We also fast like he would. We also say peace be upon him after saying his name. The way you responded to that person shows what type of person you are.
You need to learn about religions, instead of blindly following your own.
@Josue Portillo O People of the Book! Do not go to extremes regarding your faith; say nothing about Allah except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, was no more than a messenger of Allah and the fulfilment of His Word through Mary and a spirit ˹created by a command˺ from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers and do not say, “Trinity.” Stop!—for your own good. Allah is only One God. Glory be to Him! He is far above having a son! To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And Allah is sufficient as a Trustee of Affairs. (171)
@Tayba Muhammed slept with a 8 year old. A child. She still played with dolls.(read koran) Mary was at a marriage age in her time, and was promised to Joseph. Huge difference. No book says 12 years of age.
@Tayba Quranic verse: If thou wert in doubt as to what We have revealed unto thee, then ask those who have been reading the Book from before thee: the Truth hath indeed come to thee from thy Lord: so be in no wise of those in doubt. (10:94) You've come to the right place. We are the people of the truth. Jesus said: "6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."" -John 14:6
How could moral relativism be a good thing, though? There’s gotta be some objective morality at least in some cases. No one thinks Jeffrey dahmer made a good use of his time here, do they?
@noro thank you. i feel surprised so many people think jidion made good points. once you really study it, and you end up believing in it.. that’s quite the problem
@Tayba The doctrines of jihad are mentioned over 300 times in the Quran. And while people of Islam can be very peaceful, 25% believe that those who don't convert should be enslaved or executed. This is extremely troubling. I believe that they are being consistent with the Quran. Also, Jesus rose from the dead… And there's massive evidence that says he did, all of your arguments are Nolan void. You must continuously work for your salvation instead of work because you have it. That is the difference between Christianity and Islam. We don't earn salvation. It's given as a free gift and we respond in gratitude
Jidion should have attacked the vegan's claim that it is objectively wrong to kill animals and asked the vegan how he can believe in morality without having a religious worldview being an agnostic. This would have probably invalidated his claims as most people believe some things are objectively wrong without being able to justify why any objective morality exists at all which is a problem Christians don't have.
Yeah. I eat meat and I love Jidion's content, but this was not an intellectual debate and Jid didn't give a single good argument (in the video at least). It was all just false equivalences and platitudes and he just waved away when the vegan guy asked him an actual, sound question (about human-like beings and if he'd not consider them human and what it says about his compassion towards animals and animal suffering).
Personally, I recognize the logic in vegan arguments, but I just a) think meat tastes too good and any alternative products are still too expensive and/or hard to find and b) know that me stopping eating meat would not change anything, since there is already so much food wastage etc. I'd not even be anything close to a blip on the radar, and all that would happen is me putting effort and my own potential inconvenience towards something I don't care about that much
Still love Jidion though. Like he said, you can still have love and respect, and I don't have enough of a bone in this argument to care either way.
Jidion didn't actually discuss anything. He didn't actually engage with any points. He just kept reverting to "thats wat u believe, this is wat i believe"
@Will Akana That’s the whole point though, morality is subjective. Something one person may think is morally wrong, might not be considered morally wrong by some other person
@[-0LT'U Iiii307n it probably didn’t matter in ancient societies cause the average person vegan or not was malnourished and lived to like 35, as they did not eat nearly enough in the pre agricultural revolution world. The point being that in our current age where having a healthy diet can be sustained, eating meat is far more beneficial than not. Vegans break bones up to 2.3x more than meat eaters and them lacking proteins/nutrients should be common knowledge as a vegan diet is far harder to keep up with especially when meat is a significant source of protein and specific chemicals our bodies need.
@Kallum again, no sources. "probably" doesnt work. Also the premise of argument seems counter intuitive to me. There was more manual labour back then, most things were not automated like today, so they would be spending more energy. Even in our times, agro-based societies consume more calories than urban dwellers.
@Space Wolf completely unrelated? I could point at obesity rates, i could point at the shootings, i could point out so many things to make fun of your culture, but there's no need, cause all of that is completely irrelevant. Good troll though.
@[-0LT'U Iiii307n This is a lie, all traditional cultures rely on some use of animal foods, usually animal fats since they keep well longer than the meat.
@[-0LT'U Iiii307n no hes got a point technological advancement is directly correlated to the well being of ones culture. In modern society it is measured by the strength of a nation’s economy. Cultures that lead lifestyles which create the highest odds for a someone to develop a technological advancement currently is russia, us and china and they are notably not endorsing a vegan lifestyle. Countries that are poor are so because they dont have the resources to improve their occupants lifestyle. They arent able to allow the best chances for someone to step out and make a development that causes notable effect
@Kallum Do you have a single source for Vegans breaking more bones than non-vegans? A vegan diet has all nutrients except for B12 which a supplement is needed. Elephants are vegans, Gorillas are vegans, they are both stronger, larger and bigger than you.
Btw im not a vegan or vegetarian just calling out your bs
@Kallum big cap, you just have to be knowledgable and smart when you eat plant based. You have to make sure you eat enough and focus on what you eat. Pays off for sure.
@Dylan peres first of all, they aren’t only plant eating by choice or because they want to help the environment, but rather that is their evolution unlike ours, and just because the gorillas diet is beneficial for them doesn’t mean it is for us? We are related but not the same species
@totally tf2 Yes i agree its due to their evolution.
Our ancestors collectively known as hominins ate fruits, leaves, seeds, flowers, bark and tubers.
Which is why if you compare our physiology to say that of a real carnivore like a lion or wild dog you see that they are much more suited to meat eating. That is why the leading causes of death in humans today heart disease, cancer, HBP, etc. etc. are all tied to excessive meat consumption. Red meat is literally listed as a class 1 carcinogen.
@Dylan peres are we not omnivores for a reason? A balance is the best, not excessive meat eating nor forcing yourself to not eat meat when you very well could
@totally tf2 But is any meat good for us? Especially when we can get everything from meat from insects or plants and avoid the bad health consequences??
It quite literally and technically is morally superior. Not exploiting animals unnecessarily is by definition a more morally superior thing than exploiting an animal for no reason lol
damn argument. in my opinion, if your diet is what you want to do then do it. don’t say yours is morally superior. we’ve evolved to consume meat. sure, animals getting raised to inevitably be slaughtered really is bad. for some however, many still eat meat despite its health drawbacks and necessity today. you can get all of your nutrients from plants. as a meat eater myself, i view veganism or any plant-based diet as someone else’s beliefs. I eat meat myself because it tastes good and it is fairly nutritious. burger yum 🍔.
@[-0LT'U Iiii307n vegetarians and vegans are different beliefs my guy, vegetarians do not consume meat. Vegans believe in the use of 0 animal products.
Hypocritical. Christians and Muslims do the exact same thing by believing they're the only ones worthy of an afterlife. Difference here is, it's a fact that we needlessly subject animals to short miserable lives of terror by the billions when we don't need to, while gods and afterlives don't exist.
I love the energy man….unmatched….he managed to bring to light the negative way the man tries to impose his beliefs on people. The guy makes everyone who doesn’t do what he does a bad person/d bag.
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the vegan guy seems to have his heart in the right place, i.e caring for animals. but the reality is that humans evolved on a diet high in meat. it's not reasonable to expect someone to sacrifice their own health by not eating meat.
@RandomGaming Not true lol. The cheapest items in stores are all vegan. You don’t have to pay extra money for meat substitutes that aren’t even good for you. Beans, leafy greens, fruits, etc are all cheaper than your steak
@Lanthums nah with veganism there comes the added health risks Realistically veganism is promoted as being healthy, but the dietary lifestyle brings about a load of underlying health conditions and you miss out on alottt of nutrients your body needs
@I'm just a bear with internet access Not true. You can get every essential nutrient and mineral from a plant based diet. Already been proven repeatedly. Load of bullshit what u just said lol. I’ve been vegan for 2 years+ and feel the best i’ve ever felt in my life.
I'm not vegan or vegetarian but its definitely a myth that you can't get all the nutrients your body needs from a vegan or vegetarian diet. Certainly wont deny that it takes more time and dedication to put into getting everything you need but it's still possible.
@ThatFoxyGuy i respect that answer. No one can force you to be vegan, but to say it’s not possible is ignorant. It’s true you have to put thought into it, I mean you can consume just mcdonald’s fries and coke and be considered vegan, a whole foods plant based diet is optimal.
@Lanthums while its true you can get every essential nutrient in a plant based diet, garnering the recommended amount is not as easy, as opposed to just eating meat
@I'm just a bear with internet access I don’t think it’s morally justifiable to take the life away from a sentient being living in a western society when you 1. don’t hunt and 2. go to a grocery store to get your food. Am I allowed to eat you over an apple because it’s just more convenient for me?
@Lanthums that's actually not true lol salad is cheap but other ingredients to maintain the diet are expensive and you have to buy it alot, n learn new recipes
@jenn I’ll state it again because it’s just a fact: The cheapest ingredients in a super market are plant based. You can cop any beans, rice, or fruits and you’ll live healthily. Doesn’t need to be that complicated and if you choose to buy other items and learn recipes that’s on you.
@Lanthums if you think vegan food is just rice, beans and salads bru. that's on u how u gonna eat if u don't know how to make anything and actsuly meats and and stuff are so much cheaper in in area
@jenn I don’t “think”, I know. This is coming from a place of experience not some fictional ideology lol. Those are just a couple of examples and to continue contributing to animal abuse when I doubt you even buy your own food is HILARIOUS.
@Lanthums you do not have experience you have some cringy anime thing on ur pfp, ur still still child and you clearly don't know the prices of vegan foods since ur mommy still makes you food, and I will, I enjoy eating delicious animals lol
@Tpin HCF no one says shit when native Americans did it and THE WHOLE WORLD ok change how they kill ‘em ig will that make y’all feel better at the end of the day ppl will continue to eat meat whether y’all like it or not
@harper 1215 i see your what your saying but that’s a terrible point lol they don’t say shit cause that was thousands of years ago and those are just animals so they could eat to survive… y tf people gon b talking about how a tribe used to kill animals 🤣
@Lanthums the decreasing of muscle mass on a vegan diet is true you chose this ideology for yourself you will see its wrongdoings eventually maybe you'll save yourself before it gets damaging
@Liftism I follow people who do this as a life style and look just as healthy if not healthier than “meat eaters”, never said anything about powerlifting.. lmao.
@Liftism and can you attribute that to them only eating meat? I would automatically assume that they probably live just healthier lifestyles then those who live in 1st world countries eating pizza all day
@Lanthums being vegan can give you the same necessary nutrients as a meat diet, but the face is that some nutrients are sourced most purely from meat or other animal products. For example, creatine a chemical that improves the function of muscles is most pure and beneficial when consumed from herring or beef. Creatine can be consumed through supplements, but it is subpar to a pure source
@Lanthums being vegan and promoting the benefits is ok, but it becomes problematic when you start claiming that veganism superior to a balanced diet composed of both vegetables and meat
@Lanthums yes vegans can be very healthy but then look at the two top athletes in the world: Lebron and Cristiano Ronaldo. Neither of them are vegans, but they are the most physically superior in the world. Yes vegan is good, but eating balanced is the best and theres no refutation to that
@Lanthums there is also a no actual moral basis that supports the claim that eating meat is immoral. It makes no sense because the world is not a daycare. Its a dog eat dog world, the very nature of this world is to set things against each other so that something rises to the top. From an agnostic stand point, Humans are simply advanced animals, but still animals like sharks and orcas both of which play imperative roles in their ecosystems as they assume roles of the predator.
@Lanthums I think a question that will allow you to prove your standpoint on vegans or lose all credibility is this: is a shark evil to eat a fish? Is a lion evil to maul a gazelle?
@Justin Leung firstly I’d like to make it clear that I don’t force this lifestyle on anyone, and if it did sound that way then I apologize and know it wasn’t my intention. To answer the last thing, the way I think about it is, wild animals do things we consider immoral as human beings all the time. Lions rape each other in nature, that doesn’t mean we base our morality around that and excuse rape because other animals do.
@Lanthums but we arent talking about rape are we? My point was that humans are animals as much as lions are. If lions could look at the mass genocides that humans commit against each other im sure they would scoff in disgust
@Justin Leung the only thing i’m saying is a fact is that you can be healthy without consuming animal products , because it is. It doesn’t mean you can’t be healthy consuming them. My point is if you’re not going to eat plant based in a Western society, then at least be conscious about where you’re sourcing your products and shop locally. What we allow in commercial farms is unacceptable , we fund many terrible things as a collective.
@Lanthums good for u and all if u don't wanna eat meat that is your choice but im not opposing that nor was that the focus of the discussion 😅 We were talking about whether consuming meat or going on a vegan /vegetarian based diet is ideal for the high functioning of our body's
@Lanthums I just would like to point out that humanity is incredibly flawed. Im sure you want to believe that being vegan is favourable because it feels morally correct, it appears to be cheaper. However the reality is much more complex. Crop imported cause many moral issues to arise as well, but I wont get into that. Really, the only way to stay out of any moral ambiguity is to buy local veggies, but that is incredibly expensive so many people may not be able to endorse that either
@Lanthums that’s just you tho. All it really comes down too is how someone feels. If you feel like you don’t want to eat something that came from murder then don’t. I feel bad for animals but that doesn’t mean I don’t want to eat meat. I feel like it doesn’t matter where my food comes from all that matters is that I am grateful enough to have money to buy food.
@Lanthums are the insects smeared across your windshield every time you drive not sentient? Do you feel the same way about the sentient parasites you kill to make sure your food is safe to eat? Moral compasses differ from person to person, and personally I see no issue with the death of a non-sapient organism if it’s being used to provide sustenance. If you don’t want to eat meat no one will care, but trying to tell other niggas not to eat meat is corny af
@I'm just a bear with internet access meat is LITERALLY the worst most inefficient vehicle for nutrients. It literally slows down, and wears out your digestive system over time. Leading to other diseases. And it does this while offering the lowest variance of nutrients. It’s mainly just protein and fiber. Your body needs a lot of things meat doesn’t offer to highly function.
I mean at the same time for one many people's throats are slit by other humans and 2nd do you think wolf's just think about caring for the animal when they hungry.
@Lanthums Idk about you, but greens in Hawaii it's fucking expensive. It's very hard to just buy a crap ton of greens and have it last for a long time. If people want greens/fruits or something we usually grow them but even then, a lot of people don't have that kind of time to take care of the plants unless they were retired or something or don't even have the land to do so. This is for Hawaii only ofc, not sure about the others.
@Tpin HCF What are you talking about there are native tribes to this day that still hunt like they did back then. People all around the world still do it. The only people who care are the people living with nice houses, electricity, cars, computers, nice clothes n shit.
@Tpin HCF Personally, I think I would want to be killed by a machine and die quickly. Being slowly eaten alive, dragged around by like 5 animals, ripped apart is just a terrible way to go out.
@BagCityTV Well yeah that's why you have a balanced diet. It should never be one or the other. Both have bad side effects. Balance is the key to everything.
@Itz Rookie808 yes ofc, that’s also why I’ve mentioned the setting you reside in matters a lot. Obviously I can’t tell people who hunt for a living, or who live in less fortunate places what to eat. This goes towards western civilization.. If you go to a store where everything is available or order your food online, I am against funding commercial farming. Honestly that goes towards plant farming too, in an ideal world we wouldn’t rely on a shit system for our food. Lol.
In my opinion, God gave us dominion over the animals, we should use them for food and other animal products BUT, we need to be fair "rulers" and treat them with some respect in the process.
@Support Sniper i respect ur believe. Now, do u make sure every single day that u source ur products correctly from local farms and you’re not funding the commercial farming that obviously abuses and treats them like absolute shit? Or are u just putting random claims out there?
@Lanthums I live next to farms :) I do support farm owners who treat their animals properly (I've gotten some good milk from a cruelty-free dairy farm and off-topic but it tastes better than generic brands) I have gone to the dairy farm and personally went through the fields, met the cows, and even went in the place where they take the milk from the cows (it was a place where the cows could come and choose when to go there to give away their milk).
@Support Sniper then salute to u, this goes towards the other 90% of the ignorant population and the reason why we need to be supporting those local farms now more than ever to bring regenerative methods back
@Lanthums nope the cheapest stuff is anything you can get your hand on Fast food is way cheaper than any vegan Resturant for example I can buy some meat or chicken for low price then punch vegan stuff so I can get all the equivalent proteins
@I'm just a bear with internet access no that vegan is right you can get everything from plants however it’s hella expensive and taste bad so I’m not doing it
@Lanthums no that’s not true it’s expensive maybe your country is different but if you want a healthy vegan life style you truly need to pay more also eggs are still essential Also I’m allergic to some plants so that gives me fewer options
@Ko whatever works for u we all built different, my point is just source ur food correctly. Go to local farms where u know the cows are treated right and fed grass. It’s for ur own health too.
You can get all your vitamins and nutrients from a plant based diet. I mean most of the benefits of meat are from the plants and grain that the animals eat. It just loses health and gains fat when it’s in meat. The only actual vitamin you lose without meat is B12 but you can take supplements for that.
@Ben Schramm I agree, I would just suggest to people taking that route to stay away from the fake meats and alternatives and stick to a whole foods plant based diet, staying away from starch as much as possible and sourcing your vegetables & fruits from a reliable organic place
@Lanthums saying that being vegan and all the vegan stuff is cheaper than meat or eating meat is false. Basing this on your empiric data is wrong. Actually, in like 80% of countries which are 3rd world countries or countries in development, buying meat and products that come from animal production is way cheaper than veggies and vegan products. For example, here in Latin America, with 40 dollar you could buy groceries for a week for a family of 4. And with those same 40 dollar you could only buy a day of vegan food and goodies for only 1 or 2 persons at most. So just because you've seen that in your country veggies and vegan stuff seem to be cheaper doesn't mean it is actually like that. You gotta look at the bigger picture. Plus, vegan diet is not only based on veggies and that's it. It is based on other things like tofu, and other types of products which can be more expensive than animal products.
Not saying being vegan is bad because I think is good, but you gotta be realistic and see how the economic situation is like for other people before assuming how veganism is cheaper.
@XD I should’ve specified when I mentioned that part that it only really applies to western society. I know how it is. I feel different about the topic now anyways, I’ve started consuming raw animal foods that are sourced correctly. Just don’t agree with animal abuse and the commercial farming industry.
@Lanthums It is true. Being that you have to eat 3 or more times as much food to get proper nutrition and calories the price goes up fast. These days veggies are overpriced as it is. Then I gotta eat 3 times as much of it instead of having some greens and a Burger.
There is a lot of truth in saying that we eat too much meat though. Factory slaughter workers do also suffer from high rates of depression, divorce etc. I think we’ll end up having to tone down the amount of red meat we eat as a necessity in the future but until then, I’m eatin jerky.
@I'm just a bear with internet access you literally have a cellular device of infinite information and you're saying it's not easy to know which vegan foods to eat in order to get enough nutrition? j
@jenn You can literally get an impossible burger from starbucks for 6 dollars. U have no idea what you're talking about. Infinite information at your grasps and you still remain ignorant.
Its been proven that your actually healthier on a vegetarian or vegan diet than being a carnivore so long as you keep track of what you eat Because alot of vegitarains have certain deficiencies that can simply be solved by eating the right vegetables
I‘m not a vegan or a vegetarian, but the arguments from pro-meat people here are so dumb 🤦🏾
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Ag 2232022-01-02 08:49:17 (edited 2022-01-02 08:50:28 )
@Lanthums I’m not against veganism but fr can we stop acting like it’s the best option and there are no downsides to the diet. 1. It is harder to obtain protein: fish, lean grass-fed meat, eggs, and whey are the easiest ways to get protein. 2. Many of the foods you listed simply don’t have the same satiety as certain counterparts, say what you want about red meat but 1 steak is calorically low and that shit will fill most people up for a while. Beans, rice, and salad isn’t enough to stop people from coming back for seconds. The best option for a balanced diet is to allow yourself to eat fish as a meat replacement, and if you can just hunt for your food and eat meat all you want. I don’t support the modern factory farming industry but there is no objective reason to be against harvesting or hunting animals. ( if you reply please don’t try and argue philosophy, if you can give me facts on why it isn’t helpful to kill animals I’d appreciate it )
It's crazy but as humans we are addicted to meat without control anymore. Being vegan is way healthier for you, and I'm not vegan saying this. The health benefits are next level, and morally it's on a realm we can't understand as humans
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Ag 2232022-01-04 22:44:14 (edited 2022-01-04 22:45:30 )
@2GUYS1GUN humans are inherently addicted to meat? Are we also inherently addicted to vegetables, sugar, and water? 🤦♂️ the health benefits are insane? That statement isn’t evidence I bet you watched game changers and then made that claim. It’s something humans can’t morally understand? Morality is a human created concept so I don’t know how there could be a moral feeling that humans don’t understand and how do you know there is some moral hierarchy that is above our understanding when it comes to eating animals?
@Ag 223 so you're eating dead energy, that's toxic. When you eat vegan, you are eating food that has alkalinity. Your body is at supreme feeling and supreme health when it's alkalized. This is why greens and veggies are called "super foods", so not just random claims, it's science lol, your body should be in an alkaline state. You may lack empathy and perspective in the moral side of it but I think we can both agree that slitting animals throats and shooting them in the heads, is plain wrong and would not be on top of a hierarchy. Weird you're arguing against this. And yes, it's something we can't fully understand that we need animals to die as we are above them, just bc we can't control our meat addictions, or selfishly just are having them die for our taste, bc remember we don't need meat to survive. We eat it bc we enjoy the taste.
@2GUYS1GUN dead energy??? A calorie is a calorie, you aren’t eating dead energy. Other foods than greens and veggies are called super foods, a super food is just a food with high nutritional value. You are trying to project your moral belief that killing animals is wrong onto me, it’s disappointing to see someone not be able to bring themselves out of their close minded beliefs and think about other possibilities. Your feeling isn’t fact, it’s a feeling. If I felt that killing plants is wrong it doesn’t make it “wrong” in an objective sense. Morality is subjective, there is a fact for you.
@Ag 223 bro like I said, not gonna argue with someone not enlightened. Calories and alkalinity are 2 different things lol. High alkaline water of 8-10ph has 0 calories lol, has nothing to with calories. You said a whole lot of nothing, the difference is plants don't have hearts that stop beating from killing them, animals do. Get enlightened bud.
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Ag 2232022-01-04 23:19:25 (edited 2022-01-04 23:21:14 )
@2GUYS1GUN you said dead energy meaning the opposite would be alive energy. You aren’t consuming any “alive energy• or “dead energy” so to speak. Alkalinity is not altering the energy and making it a much better alternative. Also my plant point was a hypothetical statement someone could make and how it wasn’t right or wrong. How that flew over your head and you perceived it as being my actual viewpoint is beyond me. Whether an animal has a heart or not doesn’t give them inherent value. All organisms have the same value , show me any evidence that I’m wrong.
@Ag 223 this is why I said you're not enlightened. Energy in food is different from what you're thinking. You can eat a bowl of certain vegetables that has "alive Energy" in it, meaning the bowl is ph leveled and alkalized vs a moose that was shot 4 weeks ago, sent to a butcher, then sent on a truck to a Walmart to sit on the shelves for a few days is INDEED DEAD ENERGY. Animals aren't killed in the back of grocery stores lol they have been dead for weeks when you buy the meat. Educate yourself.
@Lanthums Funny I always hear vegans say its the best theyve ever felt but theyre always thinner than before. You can achieve that same feeling while ona meat diet. Veganism is proven to be more difficult to get the same quality/range of proteins in comparison to the moet basic meat diets. Sure it's possible to live off of just plants, but it's much simpler, and generally more affordable to just include meat. This is because you assume all market conditions are the same as your local market, but on a much larger scale it's just not realistic to expect that from others.
@Lanthums Also Id like to add although the vegan movement has a respectable purpose, it's goal isn't realistic at all. Even once beyond meat and all of that is 100% identical, it wont change how those farms are. In fact, it will make things worse. Bringing hard times upon an imhumane company will result in even worse conditions. What should be done is instead protest to the government and ask for regulation on animals living conditions. What we have right now clearly isn't enough. Slaughterhomes will always be bad, but that doesn't mean the rest of the process has to be.
@Family Pranksters we don’t need a lot of meat in our diet at all. Being omnivore means that we eat whatever is at disposal. Considering how weak we were when we appeared and that hunting techniques were not developed, most eat we ate was the meat of small or already dead animals.
It’s not about that tho, and I know I’m late lol but this comment was just absurd. It’s not that we consume meat. We can. It’s the WAY we obtain the meat to consume it. Slaughterhouses aren’t cool bruh. Look them up
But there is no health issue with being vegan. It’s not like you can’t get your protein from somewhere else, the strongest man in the world was vegan for example. Like I’m not even a vegan or vegetarian but I feel like those vegan extremists are actually speaking the truth. In a modern time and in many countrys it’s not necessary to kill animals or let them suffer (like cows which are getting räped and robbed of their child after birth to steal their milk) to have a good diet. The only reason for eating meat is that it’s more comfortable in our society. You don’t need to resist the lust for meat and don’t need to count your taken amount of protein if you’re just eating “normal”, though that’s means that you are letting animals suffer and die because you decided to eat the easy way. Again I’m not even vegetarian but I’m aware that because of my behavior other animals are suffering, emotional and physical, and I’m having the highest amount of respect for everyone who decided to eat vegan.
@ThatFoxyGuy Went to college for general nutrition. It’s VERY hard to get all the essential vitamins and minerals from Vegan diets. Lean meats like Chicken, and Fish are great for you. Beer and pork in moderation has no bad effects on the human body. 99% of Vegans are very skinny and cannot hold muscle mass very well. Basically malnourished people just suffering
@chumpstain vegans often are extremely reliant on supplements to have normal levels of vitamins and minerals. Vegetarians at least have animal products that make it much easier to make up the difference in a way that doesn't strain your body. Eating meat isn't nessecary (in the western world and for people in the western world that can afford the artificial alternatives) but its currently the most effective and efficient way to have a healthy body.
@Lanthums those supps those fuckin bean protien shitters all those fucking micronutrient shits you gotta get in and all the bloodwork you need to make sure you arent fucking up your self is expensive
It's a pretty basic point, really. You can say that nothing matters at all and that would technically be true. It's impossible to define that. Even if a god told us that something was wrong and we had proof that the god existed, it still wouldn't be 'good' or 'bad' because the definition of a good or bad action is self made.
Nah, anyone with basic decency who doesn't have to rely on a 1500-year-old book filled with genocide, slavery, misogyny, and abuses of every other kind to base their moral values on can pretty clearly reason that a "good" thing is something which causes sentient beings to feel good while a "bad" thing is something which does the opposite.
@Lewis Jones it's not impossible to define, you just choose not to believe, and that's certainly your choice. You're trying to argue there's no such thing as objective truth which is ridiculous and is an argument that folds in on itself. Even if there's someone who believes it's right to kill for their religion with acts of terror, we know that it is objectively wrong to murder. Objective truth is not self-made. It only takes logic to prove the existence of God, albeit you can also do so with science.
@V P Relying on feelings to determine good and bad is ridiculous. Feelings can change with the wind. Getting revenge can make someone feel good, does that make vengeance okay? I guarantee that if you kill someone because they killed someone you care about, you're still going to jail. Non-believers love to blame God for the acts of people. Everyone has free will. God said love everyone. You're speaking as if God wants there to be evil in the world. He loves us enough to give us a choice to love Him. You can talk bad about the Bible, but I bet you've never actually done the research to see if it's more or less likely that God is real. Logic backs the existence of God. Science backs the existence of God. You don't have to use the Bible. Just look at the evidence objectively with an open mind.
@God Is My Source We don't know that it is wrong to murder, we believe it as we empathise with the pain it causes and relate it to our own fear of death. Animals murder, is it not natural then? What if we murder for a greater cause? If we all eventually die, what permanent change do we cause with any of our actions?
There is no absolute truth. It is all objective. Nothing matters in its complete sense, so therefore what we believe in dictates what matters
@Lewis Jones calling an animal killing another animal "murder" is a stretch. Every time someone or something kills someone or something else, it isn't murder. When people fight in wars, they aren't tried for murder afterwards. There's a distinction which everyone with a sound mind recognizes as wrong. The proof is as simple as looking at the laws across the entire world.
What matters to you and what is truth are not the same thing. There is objective truth by definition. If you say truth is subjective, that means you believe your own statement to be the truth. But if I say your truth is wrong, and you say whatever anyone believes is truth, how can both our beliefs be the truth? The idea of subjective truth collapses on itself. The reality is too many people don't want to be held accountable. Too many people want to be their own god. Jesus is the way, THE TRUTH, and the life.
@God Is My Source Well 1. gods don't exist. 2. Yes, vengeance is moral, that's literally why we send people to jail. 3. We can very easily rely on logic to determine good and bad. You, on the other hand, rely on the feelings of 2000-year-old men.
@V P you refuse to do the research to see that it's more logical that God exists than it is that He doesn't, that's your choice. Vengeance isn't moral. Just because our earthly governments do something, doesn't make it right. Slavery was once legal in this country for example. Jesus said to turn the other cheek and to always forgive others.
@God Is My Source Pretty sure slavery is also permitted according to the Bible. That was the whole argument of slave owners in the South... oh, sorry, no; they were interpreting it wrong because... well... it makes people today feel better to baselessly assume that to be true. Gods are an idea created by humans to "explain" the things we cannot. Nothing humans pull out of their a**es ever just happens to exist. Why are there no horse people living on Mars? That's also something I made up with no evidence? Same likelihood that gods exist.
@V P show me the scripture where God condones slavery. Are you referring to the fact that Israelites were able to put themselves into servitude to pay off a debt, then were released? That's nothing like American slavery which I referred to. And even though they were servants, they weren't abused. That's something God allowed, if that's what you're referring to. There were those who repeatedly chose to put themselves into servitude because they were taken care of better than they could themselves. At that point, is it slavery or a job? There was also an Israelite celebration where those in servitude became the masters and the masters had to live in their servant's quarters and do their work. Imagine what would happen to those masters if they didn't do right by their servants. Nothing like American slavery. Let me know where God condoned that. Yes, American slave owners did manipulate scriptures to justify their evil. Just because people twist scripture to fit their evil desires, doesn't make the scriptures themselves evil. Gay marriage is legal in America, does God condone that too in your mind?
He didn't handle him with respect. Cooking meat in front of vegan activist and calling it respect. your words are like behaving homophobic to lgbt activist and saying that it is respect just for being willing to speaking with him is just bullshit
@Sher 18 well there is in life.. Most likely depends on facts and logical thinking. But you are right if you are a beliver in a religion that doesn't matter.
@Esco You have a flawed view of what we God. I was also an atheist but I reasoned it out myself and got answers.
You are on some cognitive dissonance shii.
let's put religion aside, let's discuss Theism and Science. You do not need faith to believe in God. It is being shown to you, you just have to acknowledge it or not. It just takes reasoning. I started reasoning it out when I was 17 during lockdown, now I am 18 with a strong believe in God.
What do you think God is? You think God is a human in the skies? Or you think God is a human figure or a physical being in the skies?. Nope God is the higher power that controls our subjective experience of reality. In other words, God is a spirit interwined with the material… the laws of the universe is God, nature is God, consciousness is God, energy is God… and God is very much alive.
Religion just tries to understand God emotionally or in the spirit, while science tries to understand God in materialism and laws, The two of them are both pointing to God, why do you think einstein said “The more I study science, the more I believe in God”, you think einstein didn't know what he was saying? Or why do you think Charles darwin called God the ultimate lawgiver? Stop thinking of God as a physical being or a human like figure in the skies , then you will know and understand God.
Take off your ego and think logically, look at the earth… let's be sincere here, the earth is intelligent design and not a coincidence. Look at the universe my friend, look at how Jupiter literally protects the earth from coming asteroids and comets, you think it isn't intelligent design? And so on. With all these, God is being shown to you, you just have to acknowledge God or not.
Most people become athiest because they had a flawed view on God… and when they realise that their view is flawed, They just tell themselves that “There is no God, because there isn't an evidence”, they want an evidence of a human like figure(God) coming from heaven… but they wouldn't see that. Whereas in reality God shows Himself to them every single day through what Science calls nature and the universe. They make an argument of “Evolution”. But they do not know that God uses laws to create, what of if Evolution is just the method God used to mould us out of pre-existing conscious star-dust ? Of course God used a method to create us, God isn't a magician. Even Charles Darwin that proposed the theory believed in God. (I can speak more of it in the comment section)
While, other athiest just want to free themselves from moral constraints.
Whether you like it or not there is a God, if there wasn't, we wouldn't exist. I will like to leave this verse here,
Romans 1 vs 19-22 19 because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power(energy) and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, 21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Professing to be wise, they became fools,
@David It is still a belief, you don't need any "proof" for a belief. Nature and the creation of the world has nothing to do with god to me. It's called evolution and science. But if you wanna call evolution god, it's up to you. But if that is the case you can replace god with any other word an it would have the exact same meaning. The word god is just a way for a community to controll you alot of the time. As we have seen back in the day were the church used god to controll people and steal thier belongings. Religion is also the biggest reason for war, so it's not like it brings peace to the table. Seems more like a scam, religion is more of a cult if anything. Of course these are my personal beliefs, just like you have yours.
But a critical thinking mind need more then faith do buy into something like this. Well Albert Einstein was Agnostic so he wasn't really religious. "Agnosticism is the view that the existence of God, the divine, or the supernatural is not known or knowable with any certainty."
The problem is that in particular Islam and Christianity are authoritative religions. In Christianity, the only path to heaven is to accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour, and in Islam, you submit to Allah as Muhammad revealed through the Qur’an. The word “islam” even means “submission”.
The natural response from the educated critical mind is, of course. Why?
And “because Muhammad/Jesus/God/the Bible/the Qur’an says so” is not a valid answer.
You can't say that god with certainty exists. As well I can't deny it with 100% certainty. But thier is a bigger existence of logical reasons to deny it then there is to accept it.
@Esco Albert einstein wasn't Agnostism . He believed in God of spinoza. And you will be shocked that people(even some christains)also have the same view as him. Although I am not religious.
@Esco It is a reasoning not a belief. you are still making the same mistake. Of course it is Science and Evolution. How did the laws come to being in the first place?. Exactly, the laws is God. And that law is conscious. Look at dna samples fgs. Tell me it isn't intelligent design..
I wouldn't even talk religion just reasoning. Anything that is the source is God, if you think the universe just popped into existence(which is daft) then the universe is God to you. And that God is conscious or even more complex than consciousness
Read Anthony flew book on "There is God", he was also an athiest like me.
The earth is intelligent design and not one big coincidence. Calling it a coincidence is even more daft than people who believe in magic.
@Esco you do know Scientist are missing an equation in which they call "The mind of God". Change your view on God. Stop thinking God as a spheghetti man, or a human like figure in the skies. Most religion don't even view God like that.
@Esco read Anthony flew book on "There is a God" and reason right. You have a very flawed reasoning, you know who God is. You don't just acknowledge what you see as God.
@David It is what it sounded like to me.. Also me bringing religion into it is very relevant. Religion and god go hand in hand if you haven't realised. Einstein was Agnostic, it is a pretty well known fact. So there you are just wrong.
@Esco Religion and theism is very different. Religion is just man plight to understand God emotionally or through faith. Theism is the logical aspect, we understand God through science and logical reasoning.
Einstein wasn't agnostic, It just took a simple Google search. He believed in God but not a personal God.
@Esco he was like what we call a "religious non-believer" . He just didn't believe in a personal God. He wasn't really agnostic. In simpler words, he was a deist.
@David The word god is more religion. Higher power is a thing that you can describe with any word. Or by simpler means just describe it as you belive in a higher power. God is just a word some people made up to controll people that is all. You have to bring in religion. Most people who belive in god are religious. Even if you don't, most people do. It seems that we disagree alot on just the word "god" and the meaning.. You are still wrong there. Exactly it only takes a google search. Einstien calls himself an Agnostic or a "religious nonbeliever". So yes he was Agnostic.
God wasn't invented, God was reasoned out and known, that's why almost all ancient civilisations in the past, from africa, to Europe, to Asia e.t.c all believed in God even without close contacts.
Religion was just recently made.
Organised Religion was invented .
And you do know that some religions are just strictly "spirituality" without theism. ?
You can be a theist or a deist and not be religious.
Einstein called God a Spirit. And The idea of agnostism was different then. He believed in God but he didn't believe in a personal God, that was just einstein plight. In simpler sense, he believed in an impersonal God ... hence the term "Religious non-believer ".
Like I said, what ever is the source is God. And that source is more complex than consciousness whether you like it or not.
@Esco OK, let me ask you a question. Do you think everything is a coincidence? You think the universe, the galaxy, the solar system and the earth is a coincidence and not design or intelligent design right?
@David I respect you beliefs but this was a very flawed argument. You had only a few main point within this rather long comment. The earth is not intelligent design. What you seem to not understand is that there are no doubt millions of earth like planets being protected by bigger planets. Also the earth has been hit by asteroids which wiped out most species on the planet. Also Charles Darwin did end up changing religions on his death bed a very common practice at the time and he was no doing pressured by the huge hate he had received from everyone about his theory. And your point on “what is god made us by evolution” that’s kinda why most Christian’s disagree with evolution. In the Bible it states humans had not had had any species they evolved from and instead claims 2 humans were made one you already know how they were made according to the Bible.
@David and also another flaw I’ve noticed. You highly straw manned here and generalized which doesn’t make arguments all to convincing. You brought up a shred of hypothetical evidence before then saying that all atheist either just don’t want to follow gods rules or just don’t ignore evidence all together and just have a “flawed view of god” I can assure you no most don’t. Most were Christian’s who followed the Bible and slowly questioned and explored. What ended up changing their mind wasn’t a lack of evidence it was contradicting evidence. Now here’s where it gets tricky. As we know parts of the Bible are meant to be taken literal and parts figurative. That’s is a valid counter yet certain parts that are objectively false such as the earth being 6000 years old is clearly meant to not be taken figurative. Obviously parts such as the earth being made in 6 or 7 days depending on which Bible you read are meant to be figurative,
@David I know this is complicated for you to understand and for a lot of religious people to understand (I know your a theist and not religious btw) but we don’t know everything. The not knowing it’s so exiting to get awnsers that at a point we will take anything. I feel that’s how a lot of religious people are. Not knowing the full awnsers to the entire universe doesn’t prove or disprove anything. Yet we do have a basic idea of a lot. And no I don’t thing dna is intelligent design. It’s simply a byproduct of evolution. You see it’s not like the first cells (which most likely wouldn’t be recognizable today) had the same dna structure we have. It was most likely something that had Barely worked and was extremely flawed and most likely in an undefined shape at first
@David those books prove essentially nothing. You have to realize he is quite litirally the same as me or you or any one. Their all jsut trying to say why their right and others are wrong. Everything in that book could be dubunked. Everything I say could be debunked. Everything you say could be debunked. At the end of the day neither you me or the smartest person in the world knows anything about the universe in the grand scheme. I’m not trying to deter you from believing. I’m simply wish peopel would stop arguing as it never will do anything. I realize how hypocritical it is for me to say looking at my latest comment. But you know nothing. I know nothing. No one knows anything really. Isn’t it crazy we’re arguing about the origin of the universe of everything when neither you or I or the general population has even made it to space. And no one has even made it mast our solar system.
@David no god was invented. To be more precise GOD’S we’re invented. The earliest history we have of humans coming up with the hundreds of thousands of different gods we have today was multiple. It want reasoned out that there must be magical gods having wars as that was the early view of god or gods. Singular gods are relatively new actually compared to last religiouns
@David yes I’m sure he does and I do too. How hard is that to believe. There are millions of galaxy’s and planets forming daily. From our own limited view of the universe we can already see tons of galaxy’s with presumably habitable and a lot more often galaxy’s that’s have 0 habitual planets and sometimes don’t even have planets. It’s all is just “luck” as many would call it but really it’s just the right conditions and which solar nebula the said star came from. It comes down to a lot of conditions really many fail but we already can see some that the right conditions so yes in the end I suppose it would be “a coincidence”
@David alright you kinda lost me there. Sorry but because people don’t have your same belief their weirdos? Righttt. So any other religion wouldn’t be a weirdo. That is heavily is pointing towards you being a religious person under the cover of just a theist. Which singling out anyone with contradicting ideals because you reasoned something at 17 even though both party’s have evidence supporting their claims is pretty closed minded to me
@Landon Lee Hmm. Just your thought process. DNA is in fact a great evidence for intelligence design. Two truths can exists. Intelligent design doesn't disprove or scrap out evolution. It depends on what you take as evidence though. A honey comb can be evidence of honey to you, it can be evidence of the bee to me . Yes you are right. No one really knows. But one thing that is for certain is that what ever is the source or explanation of our universe, life and consciousness is what is "God" in what ever shape , form or even immaterialism.
I’ve been vegan for a few years, some are actually weird though where they wanna push it down your throat, extreme. Most people aren’t though and just want to live how they want not bothering anyone else about it.
@sea gull Humans are hunting animals at an unsteady rate and extinctions are happening. Animals are conscious, just as you are and have an individual perspective exactly like yours. That's why I'm vegan. You don't have to be I respect your opinion.
@Alien Extraterrestrial Extinctions are happening because of animal based decorations or clothing products. The food industry isn’t causing the extinction of any animal. Animals that are not eaten by humans will eventually be mauled to death and devoured by another. Did you forget that other animals are carnivores? Apart from that I didn’t ask for your opinion, I asked the original commenter.
@sea gull exactly we aren’t the only animals that eat meat that’s what I don’t understand some vegans act like if only humans eat meat when other animals do the same. I could understand that some vegans want animals to be treated better in captivity which is understandable but if people want to eat meat it shouldn’t be a problem
@Alien Extraterrestrial I respect your choice to do that but can I just say something I am not trying to be disrespectful or anything but most of the animals that we eat such as chicken, pigs and cows aren’t going extinct. I would agree with vegans that animals should be treated better tho we have to treat animals with respect food or not. But once your are happy and healthy being a vegan is cool
@Mikey sure, but by that logic, should we say r*pe should be morally acceptable, just because animals do that in the wild? I’m not beefing or anything, just putting in my 2 cents. I don’t believe we should base our actions on those of a wild animal, as wild animals don’t have any moral code, whereas we do.
@Alien Extraterrestrial soy based protein is extremely hazardous for men/testosterone while animal protein boost testosterone. Might as well just grab them off the self cuz that “food” expires pretty quickly.
@sea gull 1. Animals suffer. (MORAL) 2. Animal-products are not as clean as plant products. (HEALTH) 3. Animal agriculture severely damages the environment (ENVIRONMENT).
Well, there's a limit. But trying to convert others to stop animal abuse isn't extreme in any way!! Paying someone to brutally murder animals sounds more extreme to me hehe
Mate, how many meat ads do you get pushed on you daily. Every time somebody finds out you’re vegan they don’t shut up about it. And I can’t see how veganism is forceful. Nobody is being forced to be vegan, and buying meat literally forces a knife to an animals’ throat.
@Mrmate, so plant agriculture doesnt kill or damage? And those avocados u get shipped. Those are extremely carbon emitting and water using food sources. And not to mention the area of land that gets mutilated and used to the point of the ground being dead. Many of the mainstream vegan foods are stressfull for the enviroment. Im not against veganisim. But vegans started to demonstrate their beliefs, and people started to mock them. Ever heard of the activists that put concrete on their feet?
@Sum8outEz Vegans are against rights violations. Plant agriculture, although it does involve death, doesn’t warrant a rights violation for the same reasons car accidents don’t. Vegans aim to build a society that respects the justifiable interests of all sentient beings while minimizing the incidental deaths that occur.
@Ulisses Mendoza Indeed bro, the Finnish guy is not even forcing JiDion to believe in something, he is just sharing what he sees and seeks agreements with it. And he is calling JiDion’s move in the restaurants is an asshole move instead of calling JiDion an asshole.
@Zhiqian Wen he’s not Finnish. I don’t know where you got that from his English sounding accent and he’s trying to enforce his worldview of veganism by constantly repeating “animals get killed” as if it means anything to most people, he doesn’t have the objective morality on it while JiDion is stating these beliefs like the Bible don’t have to be enforced on others because he believes in them.
@StarvingHub 1 Do you know how hypotheticals work? Anyway that’s an empirical claim on your part. Regardless I’m asking if they existed would you eat them. I’m guessing you would. Completely sickening.
after i watched this video something actually got into me. i felt a feeling through my soul about veganism. It truly changed my point of view on "slitting and shooting animals in the throat". i immediately got into my car and took a hard right turn. I had no ideo where i was. When i opened my eyes i saw... The Golden Arches. I ordered a 20 peice nugget and a quarter pounder. after eating that i felt like that feeling truly lifted me and will change me forever. Thank you jidion
Most of us vegans are rational. What makes you say you usually can't stand vegans? Is it because we have morals and science to back up the fact that eating animals is horrific and unnecessary, the leading cause of all top 10 causes of death, and the single biggest cause of climate change? Or is it because you think we are forcing our kinder, cheaper and healthier lifestyle on you even though people who eat meat are forcing their lifestyle on us daily? Billions of dollars per year go to animal agriculture subsidies. That's my tax money that pays for that. If you want to talk about forcing a way of life on someone, forcing everyone to pay for the failing business of animal agriculture takes the cake.
Adi The Niqqer That's sad you don't care bro. This is like if we were living back in the 1800s, and people were like "are black people slaves? Yes. Do I give a single fuck? No. I'm still gonna get me my cotton jammies after this"
@One Punch Man The real force is what happens to animals in slaughter houses! Because of our life choices! Try not to look away with your eyes, what animals endure with their bodies. Veganism isn’t a diet choice, it’s a social justice movement.
@Cameron MacDonald Maybe check again on your undertanding of science, pal. Do you know how many lives the deaths of other animals/insects saves? A frick-ton!! For example, a lot of valuable medicins are made with products that come from slaughtered animals, plus scientists have found ways to manipulate the minds of insects to scout out lost people under the debris of crumbled buildings. This epecially comes into play with instances like 9-11. Those animals have lost their lives to save yours! Basically, the deaths of animals are kept in the back of our mind and are repected. I, and I hope you do too, apprieciate that that animal died to make sure I could live another day.
@Flying Dove Productions That has absolutely nothing to do with anything I was talking about. Firstly, if we need to sacrifice a few bugs to save some lives, I'm okay with that. Secondly, my understanding of science is quite a bit deeper than yours. You still seem to confuse opinion and science. And I have no idea what you're talking about with animals being sacrificed to save 9-11 victims. Trained dogs helping first responders find people under the rubble of a building has nothing to do with sacrificing those dogs. Service animals and support animals are a completely different topic than animal agriculture. And lastly, there's not a single valuable medicine we have today that comes from killing an animal. We do use dead animals for some things because there's an abundance of waste from that industry but we don't need to. There are plenty of other ways to get those compounds. And if you're talking about using animals in research, 96% of drugs tested on animals don't even make it past the first trial. So just like eating animals, testing on them to potentially save human lives is cruel, pointless, and has absolutely no benefit for the population.
Wee Fap don't be an idiot. The animal agriculture industry is exactly like slavery. In fact it's even worse. Its like slavery with concentration camps and more torture involved. Atleast a lot of slaves survived it. Not a single animal survives the meat industry. You can choose to look at the similarities and see how fucked up it is, or you can be offended because you can't comprehend the difference between comparing two horrific industries and flat out saying black people are animals. Nobody said that but that's what you heard and got offended anyways
Wee Fap why do you think that? I'm not saying animals and humans are equal. I am highlighting the same justifications people gave for slavery are used to oppress non-human animals, i.e. it's normal, natural and necessary. Also, do you think farmed animals are free? Do they not have their freedoms taken away to be exploited for their bodies? Does that sound like slavery to you, just with a non-human victim?
@Gerr M what relevance does having a soul have in terms of a being's capacity to feel pain and suffer? Can we not use any arbitrary difference to justify treating another differently? If your God is compassionate and benevolent why would he have given animals the capacity to feel pain and suffer if they were meant to be mutilated and slaughtered?
@Flying Dove Productions What specific trait difference between non-human animals and humans justifies killing them for our benefit? Would we be okay with torturing and killing other humans if they could benefit us in medical research?
@Soycrates We actually do this on the day-to-day basis. Have you ever heard of war? Humans will kill anything to benefit themselves. To claim just a bit of territory, not even to get one step closer to immortality, we will willingly kill each other.
@Cameron MacDonald I'd have to write a persuasive essay to combat your points, including sources from universities and labs. Also, there's no need to be mean, so stop calling people idiots for having a different point of view. I wouldn't call a member of another religion an idiot for believing in a different god/gods no matter how wrong I thought they were. I'm not against or for veganism. You know what, if I decide to do a ton of research and dump my time and energy into this, I'll even look into the devil's advocate of this scenario. Plus remember, this is a friendly debate, so don't take it too seriously :) I'm just a guy on the internet
@Cameron MacDonald I’m not trying to be a smart Alec, but you said science backs up the fact that eating animals is horrific. How exactly does science prove that? Just asking
@Moose Juice because science tells us animals have a brain and nervous system and can experience pain and suffering the same as us. Science also tells us pigs have the same mental capacity as a 4 year old human, meaning they can experience the same emotions humans do. So knowing they can experience pain, suffering, fear, anxiety, we know for a fact that it's a horrific practice.
@Cameron MacDonald The problem is that science has nothing to do with morality. Morality is a philosophical and religious subject, not a scientific.
Nazis feel pain and suffering. Does that mean we shouldn’t kill them? No. Just because something feels does not mean they should never be killed. It depends on the circumstances.
As for animals, while they haven’t killed millions of Jews, it’s still not wrong to kill them just because they can feel.
They are not people. They are a different species. It would be one thing to eat a human. But just as a lion eats a gazelle, we eat other animals.
We are omnivores. We are designed to eat meat and plants. It is SCIENCE that we eat meat. Our bodies naturally desire and can eat it. The morality behind it is another conversation, but scientifically, we are natural predators. Just as we have natural predators, we are natural predators.
Now, killing your dog or torturing an innocent animal is wrong, but understand we do not have the same relationship with them as we do people. We have dominance over pigs. We don’t have relationships with them. You can, but they don’t return it. They are separate from us.
Now, potbelly pigs were actually bred by us. They cannot survive out in nature. If we allow them to live on, we cannot just feed them and take care of thousands and thousands of pigs. We would lose money and people would starve. They belong to us. It sounds bad, but they are not allowed or even able to take care of their own lives. Wild animals are different in ways, but you must understand the relationship between humans and animals.
They are not the same as us. They do not love. They do not hate. They do not laugh. They walk, eat, sleep, poop, kill, and die. Some are more intelligent, but they are all the same.
Again, the science doesn’t say anything about right or wrong. If you want to talk about the philosophical morality about it, we can. But the science is that we are natural predators. It doesn’t matter if they can feel or not.
@Moose Juice Wow. I would assume someone who's going to write such a long reply would use facts and not opinion to prove a point. The reason animals feel pain is to help them avoid that situation. The fact that we force them into pain on daily basis is wrong. Regardless of your religion, person beliefs or even yourself who doesn't use facts or science. Its just plain wrong. Also the lions eat meat is possibly the dumbest argument anyone could use. Firstly they are obligate carnivores and don't have a choice. They also eat their weakest children so only the strong survive, the rape eachother and smell each other's assholes when they greet. I hope you're not living like a lion. Because that's fucked up. And you must realize how incredibly stupid that is. Also, being an omnivore means we can eat meat if we have to. But we absolutely don't have to. There is absolutely no need for 99.9999999% of the world to eat meat. Its damaging to the environment causing 54% of total GHG emissions, it's the biggest cause of heart disease and cancer (yes it beats smoking), it uses a ton of taxpayer money on subsidies and obviously it's incredibly cruel. None of what I've just mentioned are opinions. They're all facts. The pollution and heart disease the meat industry causes is killing millions of humans. So as for the philosophical argument of we can kill them because they're not human, well... you're killing humans in the process too.
@Leilani Lucas Why do you think that? I'm not comparing black people to animals. I am highlighting the same justifications people gave for slavery are used to oppress non-human animals, i.e. it's normal, natural and necessary. Also, do you think farmed animals are free? Do they not have their freedoms taken away to be exploited for their bodies? Does that sound like slavery to you, just with a non-human victim?
@Moose Juice What is the specific trait difference between humans and non-human animals that justifies their needless slaughter? The same tribal mindset of objectification, dissociation and creating an 'other' based on arbitrary differences (i.e. species in this case) lended the same justifications that led to the slave trade, subjugation of women, the holocaust and any number of oppressive human endeavours. It is a speciesist outlook to justify killing one species and not another when individuals of either species both have the same desire to live, and capacity to feel pain and suffer. Just because we have the biological capacity to digest animal products, should we? Can you think of any other activities that we have the biological capacity for that are unethical?
In this age, most people in industrialized nations have access to an abundance of plant foods. Given this fact and a plant-based diet has been shown to be healthy, it is thus unnecessary to consume animal products. If it is unnecessary, the only reasons for continuing to consume animal products is for taste, tradition or convenience. What justification can we provide for needlessly subjugating and slaughtering an animal that has a desire to live and a capacity to feel pain and suffer? Do you value taste, tradition or convenience over life itself?
@Flying Dove ProductionsNot sure what relevance the fact humans go to war has in justifying globally holocausting 70 billion land animals and 2 trillion sea animals each year in the name of taste pleasure, convenience or tradition? Two wrongs don't make a right.
@Cameron MacDonald I just want to say, I’m not attacking you or your beliefs. I’m just wanting to understand and have a conversation. I apologize if I offended you.
I will say that I still disagree. By saying “it is just plain wrong,” you aren’t giving any reasons. You are just giving your opinion. I have no reason to agree with you if you just assert something. I’m not saying that to be rude, I seriously mean that.
I will agree with you that many of the ways they slaughter can be harmful to humans. However, that does not mean it is wrong. That is just what we as humans cause when doing this. There are probably better ways to solve this. Completely throwing out eating meat is not the solution. That would be like blaming the spoon that your fat. Your blaming the wrong thing.
I’m sorry, but none of what you said has anything to do with killing animals and eating their meat. The meat industry (as bad as it may be) is not the same as me shooting at cooking a deer. If I’m lost in the wilderness, I’m not going to let myself die from malnutrition because the meat industry sucks.
The science is that we can eat all sorts of meats. It provides protein, fat, and is extremely delicious. It produces nutrients for our bodies. That is why we eat it. It is simple science.
Again, I’m not trying to offend you, but there is nothing unscientific about humans eating meat. We have done it for thousands of years.
Your philosophical argument only applies to the meat industry which I agree should be changed. But again, there is nothing wrong with me shooting a deer and cooking it if I’m hungry. It’s cheaper than buying beef at Walmart, and doesn’t support the meat industry. If there is a reason it’s evil, I would like to know that reason and how you came to that conclusion.
@Soycrates So I do not think there is a scientific way to justify anything. Morality is a purely philosophical and religious subject. You cannot look through a microscope and prove if something is right or wrong.
However, if you have a standard to base your morality off of, you can then make conclusions based on that objective standard. But if you do not have a standard, there is nothing to prove. You simply have your own opinion against others. And an opinion is not evidence.
@Cameron MacDonald listen man, humans are more valuable than animals because we are humans too. And we are the most intelligent life form on this planet, we are not a cannibalistic species, if you care the same amount as animals or more than humans thats your problem, our goal is to expand into space, cant have our entire race wiped out because we attacked an alien that misgendered the ships captain
@Moose Juice Okay, I'm not sure what your point is exactly. Veganism is an ethical (or moral) stance against the exploitation of animals. Science is used to inform the objective logic behind the ethical stance. Did you address any of the questions in my previous reply?
@Soycrates My point was that you cannot scientifically prove a moral. You simply cannot. You can provide scientific evidence to backup your beliefs, but you cannot prove ANYTHING ethically through science.
Me answering your questions will not benefit the conversation because they only address mine and your opinions. I can answer them if you really want though.
The point is that morality is a purely philosophical and religious subject.
Vegans are typically reasonable. It requires reevaluating everything to come to the conclusion to go vegan. You have to do a lot of internal reasoning to change your mind from how you were raised and indoctrinated to think.
@Moose Juice But you're not living in the woods dying of starvation. In a survival situation almost all vegans would eat meat. But we don't live in that world anymore. We live in a world where we consume so much meat that half of the western world is diabetic. Yes that's half. Diabetes isn't caused by sugar like everyone thinks. Its caused by your cells being too full of fat that even vast amounts of insulin can't force anymore sugar into the cells. That fat is almost entirely from animal sources. The cholesterol in animals products is the leading cause of heart disease which is the number one killer in America and most other countries. Cholesterol is only found in animals products. So, even using your logic that humans are more important which is why we kill animals, (I don't fully agree as my dog is significantly better than most people these days) you're inadvertently killing tens of millions of people per year with heart disease and type 2 diabetes complications. Those aren't opinions. Those are facts. Another fact is that animals products are making people obese. Yes other things play a role such as sugar and processed foods. But a whole food plant based diet has been shown in hundreds of studies to not only cure type 2 diabetes, yes you heard that right, flat out cure it within months. Again not an opinion. Just straight facts. That same diet can reduce your risk of dying from any cause by 73%. So while meat isn't the only thing making us fat and full of disease, it is the single biggest cause in the world. So by eating meat we are killing millions of people per year. We are also polluting the air which causes even more people to die. Animal agriculture emits 54% of total greenhouse gases. Millions die from pollution every year. And another point about how eating meat is bad is that even lions don't rape animals just to produce more meat, they don't torture them their whole lives and they even kill their prey as quick as possible. If you've ever seen a lion kill a gazelle on Natgeo, they go for the neck first and try to snap the animals neck on the way down while also causing it to bleed out as quick as possible. So yes , eating animals is wrong in every single way. Even if you don't agree with that opinion the fact is that by eating meat were killing millions of people per year too.
@Braden Duggan Definitely not healthier? You don't like science or reading do you? There's not a single study that show an animal based diet being healthier than a whole foods plant based diet. There isn't a single nutrient humans need that you can't get from plants. The only food on earth that isn't a complete protein is actually an animal product called gelatin. We don't need meat, we need vitamins minerals and nutrients. What we don't need is massive amounts of saturated fat, heme iron, blood and puss that's in all milk, cholesterol, astronomical amounts of estrogen, and a plethora of antibiotics. None of that is in plants. We also don't need the 54% of the worlds greenhouse gas emissions that come from animal agriculture. Like most other meat eaters, your opinions don't count as facts. You should do some actual research on the blue zones, the china study, learn about the Rip esselstein, go check out Nimai Delgado who's an incredible vegan bodybuilder, Dr.Greger, and countless others. You'll find that you've been lied to your whole life just like I did.
@Cameron MacDonald you can’t be serious? Have you ever went to the gym in your entire life? Humans literally need meet to keep their strength. Of course you need a balance between the two, but meet is a very good source of protein and the body needs iron, saturated fat and such. You also realize that cows need to be milked every day or they can die? Everything you are stating here, along with these dubious sources, is completely biased and false.
@Cameron MacDonald I don’t really understand how what I have just said gives the impression that I’m not smart but ok. If u want to throw these strange insults around that u have got from thin air then that’s fine, but again I was only asking if u wanted a maccies later, it’s a yes or no question
@Cameron MacDonald I’m sorry, but you still fail to prove the immorality of killing and eating animals. You simply explained how meat is unhealthy for humans and how you think we shouldn’t eat it. The unhealthiness of meat to humans does not have anything to do with the morality of killing a deer.
Again, killing and preparing your own food is healthier than partaking in the meat industry. It’s cheaper, healthier, and actually helps the environment. For example, if there was nobody to regulate the amount of deer in some areas, they would over populate. Which would cause more and more car crashes. I’d rather a deer quickly die at the hand of a lethal firearm for the purpose of eating than for it to slowly die on the side of the road after it caused a family if humans to crash and die.
Now, once again, I am not asking about the health issues of meat. I am asking what is wrong with killing an animal? How exactly have you come to the conclusion that it is evil?
@Moose Juice Because eating meat and any other animal products has a direct link to causing serious health issues in humans which kills millions per year. Do I need to explain how killing humans is wrong? Or is that an opinion as well? As for the over population issue. If humans have only been around for a very short period of the earth's history then why haven't deer overrun the earth and wiped out other species? As you say if it weren't for us killing them they'd over run the world right? So how does that make sense when we've only been here a miniscule amount of time?
@Braden Duggan Go check out Nimai Delgado, Novak Djokovic, Serena Williams, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Lewis Hamilton, Tom Brady, who are all some of the world's best athletes who are all vegan and then tell me we need meat to keep our strength. If anyones claims are baseless it's yours buddy
@Cameron MacDonald You are on the ball and it's a shame that these people will not admit it because it's way easier to dunk on vegans online for likes.
@Cameron MacDonald I have no idea what you are talking about at the end. Deer are not human killing machines. They just cause car crashes A BUNCH. I know tons of folks who have almost died from a deer jumping in front of their car. Including myself. I can only imagine if there were hundreds of wild deer in one area.
Now, once again. Health of humans is not what we’re arguing. We are talking about the ethics of killing an animal. The only reason you explain it’s wrong is that some humans can get sick and die from meat.
Well, that is how food works. It kills people all the time. If you don’t prepare it right, if you don’t cook it right, if you aren’t watching what you eat. You can’t blame cookies for someone dying of obesity. You blame the person. It’s sad, but he’s the one stuffing himself. Don’t get me wrong, the meat industry probably still has issues, but if someone can’t control themselves, you can’t blame food.
Now, with that said, there are plenty of things that we do that kills MILLIONS of humans that all of us continue to do morally. For example, driving. Car accidents are a huge cause of death. I think an estimated 1.2 million people die a year. That’s around 3 thousand people dying DAILY because of cars. And sometimes it isn’t even the driver’s fault. Sometimes it’s a car malfunction.
But does this mean that driving is evil? Because it kills MILLIONS? No. We do it anyway because it overall benefits us. Am I more likely to kill myself or someone else by driving to work rather than walking? Yes. Am I going to walk? No. I’m not an evil person because of that. I just happen to realize that driving is more beneficial and that I’m probably not going to kill someone as long as I can control the car.
In the same way, does meat (just like plenty of other foods and things) kill MILLIONS of people? Yes. Does that mean that meat is evil? No. Meat is beneficial for me to gain the energy I need to do things. It fills my tummy. Could I rather gain that energy through other non meats? Yes. Could also get to work by bike? Yes. Do you see where I’m going?
I’m not going to ride my bike thirty minutes to work just because it’s safer and healthier. I’m going to take a ten minute car drive because it’s easier and more efficient. Might be more dangerous, but it ain’t evil.
I’m not going to eat 500 peanuts to gain the protein I can get in a steak. It ain’t evil.
Now, with that said, I think we can leave the “it kills humans” argument behind. Please tell me why killing ANIMALS is wrong.
@Cameron MacDonald literally all of those people eat meat, especially Arnold in his prime. Meat is an essential part of the human diet. Like I said of course there is a balance, but both is needed. Maybe you should try to actually eat meat and see that it makes a difference.
@Moose Juice I know why this argument is so hard to get across. "A steak" is an arbitrary number. Is it 4oz 72oz or even bigger? 500 peanuts would give you 250g of protein. That's an insane amount. Nobody needs that. You're just making up Random shit and hoping it makes sense. You're right about the car thing though. Its does benefit us and that's why we keep doing it. Eating animals in no way benefits us. It just kills, causes disease and costs billions a year in subsidies. That money could be going to help people instead of helping mega factory farms become profitable. You know what those subsidies could pay for? A fucking deer fence for every single road in the country
@Braden Duggan Yeah I used to eat meat like everyone else. I was severely obese and felt like shit. I feel great as a vegan. And all those athletes also ate meat. But they don't currently and haven't for years. Aside from Arnold, all those athletes have performed better than any other time in their careers after switching their diet. Brady has won almost all of his superbowls as a vegan. Also meat isn't essential. Nutrients, vitamins and minerals are essential. All of which you can get from plants. So if we can get them from plants please tell me why eating hormone and antibiotic filled animals is essential?
@Cameron MacDonald I’m flattered that you took the time to find the amounts of protein in a peanut to try to prove me wrong, but I’m afraid I could care less about that. 😂It was an exaggeration. And you and I both know I was trying to make a point that meat is an easier way to gain fat and protein than through plants.
I would much rather you take the time and explain to me how killing an animal is wrong. But you can’t seem to do that. You keep relating it to humans dying. We already finished that conversation.
And even if all meat in the world was a human killing parasite, then we could just solve the problem by throwing out the meat of animals we kill. We can just shoot all of those deer, and throw their bodies to rot in the sun. That way, no humans get harmed by MEAT.😱 So technically by your logic it would be perfectly fine.
But I feel like you don’t find that fine. I want you to be completely honest. I’m not angry or anything. I just want to understand vegans. I just want to know why you truly believe killing animals is one of the biggest problems in this world. But you haven’t given me any reason to believe this. You’ve just gave me more reason to watch what I eat. Thank you for that. Seriously.
Anyway, if you’re not going to explain where you base the immorality of killing animals (or anything really), then maybe we should just be done. I don’t like having heated, nasty arguments.
@freddysanford what do you think farmed animals eat today? Most farmed animals are fed plant crops. Also we are breeding these animals into existence, as more people go vegan, fewer animals are bred into existence.
@Moose Juice Yes, well done, I agree. That's besides the whole point though. Ethically/morally/philosophically how do you, personally, in your life, justify contributing to animal abuse through your lifestyle choices, i.e. consuming animal products?
@Soycrates well, for me, I have a moral standard. And that standard is God. And through God and his Word, I can know right and wrong. And he told all people once they left the ark that they could kill and eat animals, but in return, some would do the same to them. So yeah, that’s how it started.
What is the standard you use to base your morals off of.
Since I saw some vegans here comparing slaves to animals I’ll compare vegans to nazis. Nazis were taught there whole life torturing us bad, yet they didn’t listen to that and changed their mind to be fine with it.
Animal meat can’t “make” people get diabetes. Animal meat can’t “do” anything. The only reason people get problems from meat is from their own actions.
Who are you to choose what’s best for someone else? If they chose to eat so much meat they get diabetes who does that mean abolish meat? Doesn’t that mean change their own thinking and actions?
@BBaccSoon he’s not. You are not thinking fully about what he is saying.
His point is, meat causes health problems when people eat too much of it, therefore we should abolish it
His other point is, it’s not right to kill an animal.
His first point is completely stupid. Just becuase someone chooses to eat too much meat doesn’t mean it needs to be abolished. They chose to do that. The meat itself did not “make” the person get diabetes
His second point is purely opinion based. Early this same guy said he thinks his dog is better than millions of people. So everything is based off of what he thinks?
@Garrison Oh no, I have thought about things like what he is saying for a long time now, so save me the condescension. He must of struck a nerve if you typed all that to me just for agreeing with him. None of your points are strong man. Like, the fact that you think comparing vegans to Nazis is in the same realm as comparing slaves to animals shows where your head is at. Don't point fingers and say a statement is stupid when you don't have a proper rebuttal.
@Cameron MacDonald you compare an animal life to humans okay. Let your house get infested dont kill the bugs. So animals are slaves I've seen enough of the 2 iq reasoning
@Joshua Chan Ah good one. 80% of the world's plants are fed to animals. So by your own logic, being vegan still kills less plants. Its a dumb argument anyways, but being vegan causes the least amount of harm. Being vegan is about minimizing harm when possible. Not completely eliminating it. Only meat eating retards could possibly think that vegans think they can live 100% without harm.
Bruh, where are the sane vegans bruh? Take me back to jubilee man. Those dudes in that debate were kinda based bro. And Normal!
I eat meat/seafood/Veggies/etc. because my fat ass love food. My whole family eat food because we enjoy food and have fun tasting different things. No one gives a care in the world about what vegans eat because that’s them. They have different tastes. But when it gets turned around some vegans think we are the Main villains in a tragedy story. It’s insane bruh. Like Leave me alone. Don’t automatically judge someone as the worst person in the world just because I eat different foods
That’s the difference between Internet vegans and Normal Irl vegans. Becuz Normal irl vegans eat at these places and they don’t give a fuck (By the way, this dude jidion needs to be stopped🤣)
Schlex Forcing would mean I'm literally locking people up and making sure they only eat vegan food. Nobody on YouTube comments is doing that. Nobody is forcing anyone to do anything here as it's a screen and we can't force eachother to do anything with a screen. What I'm doing is stating facts, and then giving my opinion as to why I love the way I do based on facts. That's not forcing an opinion. That's what an intelligent person does when presented with objective peer reviewed science. What meat eaters are doing is actually forcing their beliefs on vegans. I am FORCED to pay more taxes because of the hundreds of Billions of dollars that go to animal agriculture subsidies. I'm forced to stay out of public water because feedlot runoff has polluted the water, I'm forced to wait longer for healthcare because of the millions of people thatdie every year from eating animal fats and cholesterol. If anyone is actually forcing anything on someone else ismost Definitely meat eaters. And don't forget the 70 billion land animals and 2 trillion fish that you force your beliefs on when you pay for their horrific abuse and slaughter. I don't think you understand what you're talking about. Maybe look up the words force, to force, and forcing. Or the phrase "to force your beliefs onto others". Might be an eye opening experience for you.
@Joe Hayes think of it this way tho. Animals kill and eat other animals. We as a human race are an animal. We are mammals. It’s part of the food chain. We kill and eat animals because we are animals and humans are omnivores. You guys don’t get mad when you hear that a lion ate a deer? It just blows my mind that people think it’s a such a bad thing the way it happens is but killing and eating an animal is not in humane or horrific as long as you do it quickly and painfully. It’s part of the food chain. We are animals too.
@Cameron MacDonald I agree with most of your points here bc yes the industry needs to be changed and that’s why I only buy meat where Ik it’s not had a shit life but if you were to let any of the animals we eat out they would all get killed worse then what we do
@Hunter Murphy Yes, but these animals wouldn't exist if we didn't rape them and keep breeding more of them. They wouldn't be getting attacked by Wolves in the wild because they wouldn't exist. As for the only buying meat where you know it hasn't had a shit life, what do you think happens to them before hlthey get to your plate? Free range cows still go to the same slaughter house as factory farmed ones. Even free range cows are killed at about 18-20 months when they could live 20-25 years. Just that single point proves you haven't given them a good life. And is it better to take the life of an animal that's had a good life? Almost seems more cruel that way doesn't it? At least the animals in factory farms get to escape that horrible life through the slaughter house. The cow living a nice life in a pasture gets robbed of that life 20 years too early.
hes probably not gonna lash out on somebody whos live with over a 1000 people watching. By the points he was saying he sounds like an angry vegan anti meat person
@Cameron MacDonald y’all don’t have science backing jack squat y’all just say some shit that everyone already new and doesn’t care like y’all will walk into a restaurant and y’all at someone for eating a burger that is stupid y’all don’t have logic y’all go on google and then stretch the truth to the best that you can to try and make people believe some bs that you red on Wikipedia
@Elijah Ezra You have a right to your own opinions but you don't have a right to your own facts. What you perceive as fact is propaganda. There is mountains of peer reviewed, non industry funded scientific papers out there that prove everything I'm saying. I used to be an animal abuser such as yourself, but like everyone who can think logically and critically, I was presented with new information and changed my ways. Just because you want to keep eating meat doesn't mean science is wrong. You have the right to be be presented with new scientific information and not follow what it says. But that doesn't mean it's wrong. Here's a couple for you that are easy as a start. The China study and the blue zones research. I get where you're coming from, I truly do, I used to be an asshole like yourself. But the information is out there and it clearly states eating animals products is the most unhealthy and most environmentally damaging way to eat. These aren't hippie animal lover fairy tale opinions I have. It's scientific information that is available to everyone with an internet connection.
@lol stfu so you make a mockery of them in front of them dam you need so validation from daddy or something cuz your putting your insecurities to them lfmao
@Cameron MacDonald You do realize the point your trying to prove about morality and ethicality cant be proven because thats your believe right. You cant scientifically prove your believe is moral or not, you dont even know whats really moral, its a construct, nobody does, morality and ethicality is something you hold to be true to you. So just stop trying to push your beliefs on everyone else, nobody cares, out of all the things to take a high ground on it seems very odd this is what your so passionate about, but im not gonna say your wrong because I don’t really know if its moral or not, nobody really does. You like to say a lot of extreme things though, like “were raping animals”, it just seems like you have no backing and try to prove your point by using lots of extremes, which doesnt help your case at all, it just makes you sounds crazy and delusional.
@Jonathon Nichols My beliefs have nothing to do with people raping animals. How do you think we create 70 billion new animals every to be slaughtered. We rape them. That's not a belief, that's an undisputable fact. Farmers jerk off bulls, they collect the semen, they then proceed to fist the cow all the way to their shoulder with a handful of bull semen. That's the literal definition of rape. And to top it off, when they give birth to a calf, they put a bullet in its head if its male, if it's a female it's destined for a life of rape. These aren't "extreme beliefs" buddy, this is what's actually happening. Whether you view raping a cow, jerking off a bull, slaughtering their children and sucking the milk out of their tits to be morally wrong is up to you. But as a society, if we did that to any other animal, dogs, cats, other humans, we would think you're mentally ill and put you In jail.
@Cameron MacDonald I genuinely don’t see any use in discussing this further with you, you are a very disturbed individual, which you will obviously deny, so dont expect another response from me because I genuinely cant tel if your trolling or your just that f’d in the head.
@Jonathon Nichols What's fucked up is that people like you support that industry. I don't understand how you think my head is "fucked up" when I'm just explaining what happens in animal agriculture. I haven't lied, I haven't embellished anything, I'm just stating exactly how it works. How can me explaining how it works be extreme, but when you buy cheese and support it, that's not extreme? I think you're the one with the f'd head buddy. Just a tiny bit of research and critical thinking and you'll come to the same conclusion as vegans. You sound more intelligent than most people in the YouTube comment section. I'm sure you can come to your senses and stop supporting such insane atrocities.
@Cameron MacDonald You have a problem with cheese too? I am firm in my BELIEFS, so no, we will never come to the same conclusion, and furthermore, I think you should genuinely take a step back, im not saying your wrong or right, and im not telling you what to believe, but your never going to change anyones mind talking like that.
@Jonathon Nichols Yes cheese. Dairy is the most abusive form of animal agriculture. Everything I explained previously is what happens in the dairy industry. You can be as firm in your beliefs as you want, doesn't change the fact that you're paying for animals to be raped , tortured, have their babies taken away and then slaughtered. If you believe that's fine, thats okay, you have the right to believe what you want. But you can't deny facts when someone explains in detail about the industry you're directly supporting.
@Cameron MacDonald mhm, ok. I don’t care, their animals, so are we, we eat them, its called the food chain. Get off your high horse, I dont care that your vegan, nobody else does, just stop talking to me about it, and I would recommend you stop talking to everyone else about it, your not trying to perused anyone, your trying to make people feel guilty for what they do, which fyi, nobody that eats meat or cheese, really gives a shit that your goal in life is to stop cows from getting fisted. I know a lot of vegans, its a very popular trend nowadays, your problem is that your weird, I dont care what you believe, your just weird, which im sure youve been told that before, and you can let the cow fisting and vegan shit go because it has nothing to do with that, your just weird. Im sorry we ever crossed paths, bye.
@Moose Juice there’s no reason to write to this dude because he’s not gonna understand your point he’s a vegan person he’s only going to think killing animals is wrong and Not that animals can over populate a city And can cause car crashes eating meat is not evil it’s good protein that’s what he should learn but he just doesn’t want to see that , that’s on him
@Cameron MacDonald why don’t you write a blog on a different website not YouTube comment section or even Twitter in fact I mean you seem really passionate for your statement I don’t think people care on YouTube as much as you do so you should try a different website Be a blogger or something
@Cameron MacDonald I'm not vegan but i think you've persuaded me with your great points. Don't listen to these ignorant close minded folks. They're just sheltered and can't think for themselves so they end up ostracizing what they don't understand and call it 'weird'. I finally see why vegans 'force' their agenda onto others, for the greater sake and cause even if people will think they're crazy and make fun of them. Now that takes courage and i applaud you sir. -random youtube comment reader
@Jonathon Nichols I'm weird for not wanting to pay people to fist cows? You are hearing yourself right? That saturated fat is really clogging up your brain eh?
@Cameron MacDonald being vegan for ecological reasons I totally respect that. But being vegan because hurting an animal is cruel or whatever is just nature... we aren’t toying with our food like cats or orcas.
I mean it's nice they he was wanting to convo but he did put a moral high ground to make him feel like he's a better person because he doesn't eat meat.
@Cameron MacDonald right when you said your beliefs are backed up more moral and scientific is why people think vegans are annoying. As soon as you act all superior and so moral.
@Moose Juice not necessarily morales to some extent is religious and philosophy but some are heavily based on cause and affect. Like a rapist and a rape victim. After the awful act usually the victim is extremely traumatized and we can see that the rapist doesn't have the same mental state as a more morale person. Something like this is less of a debate and more of a observation. Same with serial killers as we and the affect to the families of the victims and their mental state. And no I'm not saying making people sad equal morale evil as obviously it's alot more then sadness.
@CNgotham but imprisoning a rapist can make them traumatized too. What makes their trauma different from their victim’s? The government afflicts pain on the rapist just as the rapist does to a victim. Can you give me a reason why the government is justified and the rapist isn’t?
@Moose Juice a victim did nothing while a rapist yea know raped someone to end up in prison. Sure the prison system isn't the best but at the same time it's a punishment. I'd be very careful comparing a rape victim getting raped and a rapist who is in prison lol. At the end of the day trauma was forced onto the rape victim while the rapist made a horrible choice and will have to deal with the punishment.
@CNgotham but why is raping someone wrong? Why should the rapist be punished. If the reason is trauma, then we go back to why is trauma bad and why is a rapist’s trauma justice?
@Moose Juice it's different types of trauma. Trauma it's self isn't bad but causing it for no reason is a sign of immoral action. You can also see similar brain patterns and what not with these type of people. Like I said it's more complicated then saying making people sad or tramatize equals bad. Also I'd say there trauma are completely different. Rapist are traumatized because they don't want to die while it's completely different for a rape victim. The reason isn't trauma it's self but rather the reasons or lack of reasons for raping someone. There really isn't a good justifying reason. However there is a good justifying reason to put the rapist in prison.
@Moose Juice cause physiology they are mentally disturbed. It's kinda hard to put in words but it's not society to why we have empathy towards others and other emotions to others. So effecting that and feeling that empathy towards a victim. I mean it has a negative impact to a large feel. Usually causing severe trauma causes suicidal thoughts,emotionally damaged,PTSD and ect causing such things with little to no care is not a normal mental state and is very abnormal and mentally unstable. Having lack of empathy and willing to hurt someone for your own benefit is pretty immoral in a mental state. I mean immoral equals bad and bad is pretty negative feeling. So causing alot of people negative feeling for no reason but for your own benefit is immoral. It's the best way for me to explain it. But then again I'm not that intelligent to try to say what I'm saying lol. But if you rape a kid in any society even the ones that welcome that type of shit it still has a negative impact on that person. If anything the child is confuse and may even try hiding it's trauma cause of the society who excepts it.
@Cameron MacDonald you are literally why people and me dont like vegans at all. no need to push anything when you know its not going to change their opinion
Ngl Jidion is actually smart, he is the type of guy that would rather to be the fun guy over the smartass while he has the ability of being any of them.
@David I fw him but they weren’t intelligent at all 💀He ignored the majority of the vegan guys points and he brought religion into it. When religion is a belief that doesn’t involuntarily affect the world around you and isnt comparable to being vegan.
@Hansel Carmona how old are you? Jidion brought up religion as a net to trap the vegan guy to turn the argument around. Religion is the truth to a lot of people as well as vegan is the truth to others. simple.
@C BR he was just saying random shock phrases and trying to convert a random man. If he wanted to bring up religion he should brought up halal meat etc.
@C BR my age doesn’t matter lmao 💀 He brought up religion because other than religion or medical issues there is no morally correct excuse for animal cruelty and destroying the planet. Even so, I personally believe that religion is still a bullshit excuse. It’s just socially unacceptable for the vegan guy to say that so he didn’t. Obviously going vegan is a lot more expensive than just eating meat so personally I don’t shame people for doing so. It just turns into classism. However, if you have the resources to eat vegan you should 🤷🏻♂️
@Chris Your point with carnivores is so dumb. Are you being serious posing a question like that or you got carried away and didn’t realize how silly that was
@Hansel Carmona That religion was actually a trap in the argument. He knew whichever way the dude answered it, he could find some fault against him. I'm genuinely surprised how smart jdion is.
@Chris It is socially unacceptable to disrespect other people religions because it is what gives people hope and a reason to live. It’s fucked up to do so which is why he can’t just say that it’s stupid and all made up. Yes both being vegan and religious is a choice however, religion is primarily backed on the principle of faith. Nobody is being harmed directly or indirectly by choosing not to participate in practicing a religion. In contrast, making the decision to not be vegan results in animal cruelty and the pollution and deterioration of the planet. Both of those effects are proven by FACTS and are not backed only by faith and/or belief. Your second argument is so stupid that it’s sad I have to explain it to you 🤦🏻♂️ Carnivorous animals aren’t mass killing other animals and affecting climate change. If that were the case there would be an imbalance in the ecosystem that would naturally fix itself. How you ask? Mass killing of prey= less food for predators as the preys population declines. This in turn causes the predator population to decrease and the prey would naturally repopulate. The issue with humans is that cows and other animals aren’t being drastically reduced in population size as we are FORCING the animals to reproduce faster than they normally would.
@Mr. Mommy You say this while your name is literally "Mr. Mommy". I'm going to assume you're a kid because of your username, so in going to try and explain this carefully. When you make a point, you need to give an explanation on why you believe it. Otherwise, you make yourself look dumber than your name. I'd gladly admit my point is stupid if you can explain how.
@Samuel Cho I disagree because yes he could find a fault against him by saying “oh you’re disrespecting a religion” but he rlly couldn’t find faults in why being vegan is BAD or why eating meat is good. Also I honestly doubt that he put in the entire debate. It likely was too long to put in a video and I’m willing to bet that the vegan dude made some points that Jidion could not directly respond to. Mind you we already saw Jidion do that in the shortened version of the video.
@Hansel Carmona If humans consumption of meat was regulated to the point where it wasn't affecting the climate and other things, would you still be vegan?
@Hansel Carmona No, you have to keep in mind the main points of their arguments, as with any good and healthy debate. Jidion's main point or argument is that they're simply two different belief systems that neither can force onto the other but can still be respected. Of course, every argument needs to be backed by evidence. Which is why he brought up a personal belief system of his, Christianity. I don't think the vegan man was going to convert right then and there, as was with veganism. The debate was not about whether or not eating is good, or being vegan was bad, but rather, Jidion just saw the two as different perspectives and belief systems. In that case, there would be no right and wrong. Just two different opinions, or beliefs.
@Chris I’m not vegan lmao. Also by that point in time the taste and texture of meat would have already been synthetically created in a lab using only plant based ingredients (scientists are working on this as we speak and they’re getting close). If this happens there wouldn’t be a need to do so. But to answer your question yes. If it’s ethical and not causing harm to the environment there would be nothing wrong with it. However the sad reality is that things aren’t like that so being vegan is the best solution as of now.
@Chris I’m not vegan lmao. Also by that point in time the taste and texture of meat would have already been synthetically created in a lab using only plant based ingredients (scientists are working on this as we speak and they’re getting close). If this happens there wouldn’t be a need to do so. But to answer your question yes. If it’s ethical and not causing harm to the environment there would be nothing wrong with it. However the sad reality is that things aren’t like that so being vegan is the best solution as of now.
@Samuel Cho Veganism isn’t a belief system silly 😭. It’s a diet and peoples reasons to be vegan aren’t based on faith but FACT. The fact of the matter is that eating meat is cruel and harmful to the environment. Nobody is hurt by not choosing to be religious. People however ARE hurt by others choosing to eat meat and not be vegan.
@Hansel Carmona It's a matter of morality isn't it? Whats "cruel" and what's not? What youbelieve (believe) to be cruel isn't the same for everyone else. That's also being a bit disrespectful to say that no one is hurt when you don't believe in a religion. That's saying the religion is fake and it doesn't provide any moral guides. You're falling into the exact masterful trap Jidion created. And who might be hurt by someone else's choice to eat meat? This doesn't change that veganism is a belief system that eating animals is "cruel" just as how any other religion is a belief system that you can't force upon others because there is no "right or wrong." All on what you believe.
@Samuel Cho bro read what u just said again. 😐 that’s the stupidest shit I’ve ever heard. You want me to believe in EVERY RELIGION so that I’m not disrespectful 😑. You’re giving Jidion so much more credit than he acc deserves lmao. “Masterful trap” 😐. The entire planet is hurt by someone’s decision to eat meat. Literally all u have to search up is “livestock and climate change” on google and you’ll find a long string of facts that directly connect climate change to farming animals. For example, raising livestock is responsible for 14.5 percent of greenhouse gas emission. What’s cruel isn’t eating the animals. It’s the way they’re killed. In cold blood without any anesthesia or anything. It is a FACT that cows actually cry when they hear the screams of other cows being MURDERED and know that they are next.
@spigwender I never said religion doesn’t affect the world. I said that choosing not to be religious has no affect on anyone else other than yourself. I am not religious yet I have morals. Therefore what you’re saying doesn’t really apply in the society we live in where we are born in a world with pre-established morals that the majority of people follow. Furthermore, I outright disagree with your statement stating that morals come from religion. Why? Because animals have moral compasses yet they don’t practice religions. Which only further backs my argument.
@Hansel Carmona No, not every religion, just bringing up an example of a belief system you may not necessarily believe in...like veganism. Now, the environmental issue with meat, I will not argue with you on, because I'm actually very passionate on the issue of climate change, myself. There's no question there that the meat industry is pumping out tons of CO2 with livestock. However, you're kind of shifting arguments. Since you're arguing that the way meat is produced and consumed hurts the environment, along with the animals...currently...you're not against actually eating meat, just the manner of getting that meat? Meaning, a tribal man who hunts game on the plains for food you would be fine with? In that case, I would agree with you...along with half the other things our modern industrial world relies on these days. We humans are doing a ton of harm to the environment and ourselves in almost everything we do. But that also says, if you decide to stop eating meat due to its environmental footprint and other reasons, are you also not driving a gasoline car? Do you not litter and try to recycle? I'm sure the very device you're using rn to text back is harming the environment in some way (because I know I am). You cant say you're doing this because of this and then completely negate that thing in everything else you do.
@Samuel Cho no my family does not drive a gasoline car. Regardless, that is besides the point. Going vegan is the most efficient way to reduce your carbon footprint. The goal is to reduce not completely eliminate. It’s very difficult to get through day to day life without a phone or transportation. We NEED these things to succeed in society. However, we don’t NEED to be eating meat when there are alternatives that achieve the same ultimate goal which is having proper nutrition. All your other points make me wonder if you even know what you’re arguing. Clearly you agree with me on the climate change issue and you agree that meat should be ethically sourced. So please clarify as to what your point is because I am genuinely confused.
@Hansel Carmona I'm just trying to understand your point. So you're only against eating meat, because of the way its processed. It inflicts pain onto the animals, but more importantly harms the environment. So does that mean you would be fine with a wild hunter out there idk, naturally hunting and eating that meat. Because I think the vast majority of non-vegans think vegans are extreme animal lovers, therefore don't want to eat them. When in reality, as you've detailed the are other reasons? Is that your point?
@Hansel Carmona Well, like I said, the vast majority of non-vegans, going back to the religion analogy, like non-religious people think you're trying to force another belief down their throats, which no one likes. That's where the misunderstanding comes into play. However, the solution to this problem would not be to stop eating meat, like vegans shout at the top of their lungs, but rather, stop the current way of eating meat. The reason why people think you're against meat isn't because it harms the environment or the animals, because you don't actively try to stop those things. You just stop eating meat (which I guess is stop supporting them, but that confuses your cause.) You would probably be pushing for people to start hunting meat on their own then. No animal killing factory. And no environmental harm.
@Samuel Cho Why do u keep comparing being vegan to religion 😐. I already explained to you why they aren’t the same. One is a dietary choice that is made to prevent events that we KNOW are true and are facts. The other is just faith in something you have no tangible proof of. Anyways, how do you suppose someone would actively try to force a company or industry into bankruptcy? By boycotting them. How do you do this to the animal agriculture industry? By going vegan and not giving them your money to continue practicing animal cruelty and destroying the environment. You’re honestly so naive. Everyone switching to being hunters isn’t sustainable and would still cause environmental harm. There are too many people and too little animals in the U.S. for it to actually work. We would end up many species of animals to extinction has already happened in the U.S and is the reason why hunting restrictions exist today. In order to accommodate so many more hunters, daily bag limits would have to be drastically cut and hunting seasons would become much much MUCH shorter.
@Hansel Carmona Ok, now you're getting into other issues, like overpopulation, not enough food, something I have been thinking about myself...would you propose a..."Noah's flood?" But that's another topic... Oh and bringing up religion is still just an example of a perspective or opinion about morals. Anyways, I think I'm done debating because it's leading into other things, and I think I'll leave it at here.
@Samuel Cho It’s not leading into other things because these are all part of the issue and reason why people go vegan. You just don’t have any more counter arguments bcs they were all stupid 🤦🏻♂️
How can you think someone is smart when they try and justify their morals with a fictional religious book? He couldn't even understand that he's literally paying people to rape, torture and slaughter animals when he buys a burger. Doesn't take a genius to connect the dots there.
@Hansel Carmona David Ramms has the whole hour long video on his YouTube page. Its a great video. He talks very intelligently and raises some great points. He shows an incredible amount of restraint especially when Jidions only counter argument is "the Bible?"
@Samuel Cho So if you can't be net Zero emmisions then don't try at all? That's an even less intelligent argument than your previous ones. Going vegan alone can reduce a person's emmisions by nearly 60%. Yes that's right. 60%. So you could fly all you want, race as many cars and motorcycles as you want, hell, even use plastic straws and disposable water bottles, and the world could actually handle that if you just stopped eating meat. The earth can handle some amount of emmisions. So we don't need to be perfect. We just need to be vegan. Also veganism isn't a belief system, it is an ethical way of life based on facts. *Animals feel pain- FACT * Animal Agriculture is destroying the earth and costing trillions in subsidies and health care Costs- FACT *Plant based diet are healthier- FACT *Plant based diet are cheaper- FACT *We don't need to eat meat in today's world ( yes a very, very, very small part of the world needs a little bit to survive but it's less than .00001%) - FACT *Eating meat is the leading cause of cardiovascular disease and cancer -FACT *Raping to breed( yes we have to rape then into existence), torturing , and then slaughtering an animal is cruel, horrific and unnecessary- FACT
@Cameron MacDonald don’t cry bro it’s just a comment plus I’m not gonna waste my time arguing on the internet with people that don’t have anything good to do with their lives, anyways since you brought up the topic of burgers I’m gonna go order one thank you.
@David I love Jidion but it was not a good argument at all lmao. He basically just went "you do you and I'll do me" the entire time and ignored whatever the vegan dude said
@C BR Yeah, and he brought up religion as a argument that says hes suppose to eat meat. The bible also says that he is suppose to be enslaved, and says rape is justifiable and is okay.
@Cameron MacDonald You didn’t get the point, he brought up religion because David talked about the “objective truth” when in the end, both David and Jidion have subjective moralities (as all humans), one comes from a lifestyle and the other from a religion and both have validity which is why they didn’t bicker about it.
Also you not believing in something doesn’t make it fictional.
@Hansel Carmona bro why did i just read so many comments.. but wanted to say that yours were well-said and im worried that there are so many people disagreeing...
@Hansel Carmona are you sped? We need meat to live most of the worlds population of humans eat meat and half of them need meat and animals eat other animals to make more animals
Not really. When they talked about religion his points were kinda dumb. He was saying "you want me to go against my religion" when Jidion is a terrible christian by looking at all the shit he's done. I mean I like Jidion but you can fool some part of your fanbase by making yourself look like you did well, but you can't food people who actually know what good debating is
@Sain♱ Nowadays religion doesn't really affect the world in terms of country on country. It's mostly some organisation in the world but it's not that many of them. In history religion was one of the major reason why many countries were separated and hated each other
@Samuel Cho That doesn't mean that Jidion is smart, that means that he's ignorant and is using personal beliefs in argumenting which is aalways a bad point
I subbed to him when he was dumb low but I'm sooo happy he's blown up totally deserves it better watch his step tho with the tech gods and what he's allowed to post
I use to love so many YouTubers that pranked the world, but jidion is just the best and he makes me just feel happy❤️ love you Jidion you litterely save my days and I’m so glad I found your channel
Not really he acted like a bitch in my opinion how u gonna compare animals who in many religions were put here on this earth to eat to humans it’s stupid anytime someone fights a cause they stop looking at others narratives
@TTB x SaucyBOI you're wrong, the guy was respectful and respected jidion's opinion while having a civilized debate. im not a vegan but i think killing animals is fucked up. animals get bred just to be killed they dont get to enjoy a normal life, why do we get to enjoy a normal life? plus all these slaughter houses are terrible for the environment, there can be thousands of cows at one slaughter house and those cows fart, which is bad for climate change believe it or not. i been a fan of jidion for a long time but the guy respected jidion's beliefs, his argument and his opinion.
@Dizzy first of all there's no good way to kill animals, second going vegan is expensive and takes a lot of effort and determination considering its not only meat you avoid, its also most dairy products and anything with added chemicals which is over half the food north americans consume regularly.
@TTB x SaucyBOI Okay notice how you use religions though and say they claim animals were put here to be eaten? Can you not see the fallacy in such an argument? Religion is voluntary and is not proven in any aspect to be objective fact of life. You bringing up this point is the same as me claiming I made a cult and now we have to adhere to my rules. Man made systems cannot justify the actions of man. Pretty simple concept.
And even if you think religions are objective, not everyone else does, which means they are not objectively correct when applied to the world. Using religion is a very weak argument in eating meat vs veganism. You are pulling out a card that not everyone agrees with yet you act as if it’s fact. Please, I urge you to grow up and expand your understandings of the world around you before you start making such bold claims
@R animals dpnt have lives like is if we dont do anything avout it they just gonna get eaten by prey wich is peolly gonna be a slower death so technically we are giving them the time of their life by feeding them and letting them live in protection qnd giving them a faster death
@R Hey dude! I hope to invite you to a server that has all sorts of vegans so you can get help with stopping paying for innocent sentient beings being brutalized. The vegan diet actually is proven to be the cheapest diet you can think of and we can prove that to you and help you with nutrition and where to buy good stuff! Hit me up if youd want an invite! I also have many studies ready for you to check out so you can prove to others the claims you are making :) Thank you for standing up for the weak in words already it shows strength! Now only your actions are to be aligned.
@R Veganism is by far the cheapest way to eat. Beans and lentils have more vitamins, minerals, protein, less fat and a ton of fibre and can be found for less than a dollar per pound. Compare that to even the cheapest beef at 5$ a pound and you're saving 80% per calorie.
@Radiocorrective i didnt see this message but my dad went vegetarian about a month ago and i've sort of joined him, i still eat some products like real cheese and crackers or chips that have milk but other than that i've switched to plant based alternatives
Judion saying that he’s a believer gave me so much more respect because he said that he doesn’t wanna make people feel bad after a prank, props to you brother!!!
Judion I’m saying that he’s a believer gave me so much more respect because he said that he doesn’t wanna make people feel bad after a prank, props to you brother!!!
@H M Exactly, it was his best rebuttal because even though it strayed away from the original point a little it made sense when brought together on the point how he would contradict his religion if he went by the other dudes belief.
@vShaadv a counter argument I would use is that in the Bible, they never mistreated the animals! God said to nurture them, take care of them unless they sinned or for praising! Mean while that’s not what these companies are doing, they have em in small little cages and treat em horrible ! To me Jidion arguments made no sense which is why I said that haha! I still love his content thoe and I am still eating meat!
@Mystic Bazuso Can't believe you actually think that, everytime the vegan had an argumente, Jidion just switched to another topic. He clearly didn't want to view it from the vegan's perspective
@Mystic Bazuso yeah, because they're in the right. i mean, I love meat, and I'm not planning to stop that in the future. But meat is proofed to be unhealthy for your body, Factory farming it boosts the climate change and the animals suffer from it. I still think that the prank was funny, but it was very unethical and you can't deny that using facts.
@DeluxeBoy you can deny that using facts. Slaughterhouses take the effort to end their lives as humanly as possible. They are bred for meat and have been domesticated for that. Meat is a great source of protein and much more inexpensive than just about any alternative. It's also an unmatched source of protein for non first-world nations
@Mystic Bazuso Vegans are not trying to ban slaughterhouses, but killing animals in general so your comment made no sense. Also, there of course more ethical ways to provide food even for non first world countries.
@DeluxeBoy This guy's whole worldview hinges on the emotional argument that killing these animals are cruel and inhumane. That is far from reality. These are animals that are bred specifically to eat. They have no other intrinsic value and cannot survive by themselves.
@Mystic Bazuso We could breed animals to fight to the death. Even if WE put that “value” onto them it doesn’t change the fact that it’s unnecessary/immoral. We don’t need to cause all that suffering and it’s fucking up the planet. We need to be humbled and realize modern Homo sapiens are pretty late to this game of life. Shit goes on regardless if we’re here or not. World don’t revolve around us and it’d be in every beings best interest if we lived more compassionately. Emotions are involved for me since you need some level of empathy to put yourself in their position but that’s not all there is to it.
@Mystic Bazuso it’s not arbitrary if there’s good reasons for doing them. The food system is incredibly inefficient. We could feed more humans if we stopped producing crops to give to animals. Calories are lost as energy moves up the chain. Plant based dieting is a lot more sustainable. You’re right, we are omnivores. We can digest animal and plant matter. That being said, we could live without the former and skip all the suffering. Appealing to nature does not make all the bad that comes from animal ag worth it. Over two trillion sentient beings killed for unnecessary reasons. Shits not good for anyone.
Man wait until he learns about carnivores in the wild and how they eat there prey while it's still alive like would they rather us go hunt for are own food and stab a cow to death
I legit feel sad for Jidion with all the hate he gets, like he just wanted to try something by adding meat to vegan food like I don't see a problem there tbh
Stunts are never stopped after Jackass crews. I missed Jackass stunters (Steve-O, Johnny, Ryan etc). I'm glad new stunters of this channel RebelTV, Riceman, Indians.
@DailyMemes 62 no repent And God loves you God love you more then you can imagine Jesus does God is our ceator our provider our source of will power and Aid Jesus caNNONT HELP YOU THE WAY GOD CAN REPENT TO GOD AND NOTICE JESUS CHRIST AS A PROPHET
@RTT RTT Nah I disagree. He shows he has quite a bit of knowledge of moral relativism and the Bible and that’s a good start. I’m sure he knows even more, this is just a 9 minute video man. Also, I hovered over your channel just now on my phone and it showed me another comment that you posted also under his channel, saying he’s “not smart.” I also disagree with that. JiDion turned childish, funny antics into a profitable, full-time career and I applaud him for that. Most don’t make it and it’s genuinely difficult getting anywhere near where he is, much less staying there. Also, if you watch any of his “JiDion Premium” videos, you’ll see that he has even more to offer on there than meets the eye. All in all, he makes people’s days, spreads love and laughter, seems to be a chill person overall, makes some good, solid and reasonable points all the while making a livable, comfortable, even luxurious salary out of everything in the process and I have nothing but respect for him for all that. And finally, I think the OP meant more so “serious” rather than professional, tbh.
is it me or does almost every vegan live in a first world country, and is usually financially well off? you don't see very many vegans in poorer countries for a reason, and we're omnivores for a reason. i wonder if they get mad at animals for eating other animals when they can also eat vegetables 🤔
Ahmed G. no one said anything about the cost of veggies. it's the cost of all of the vegan specific foods, and you can get better nutrients from just eating normal food.
Just don't see why it would be ok for me to pay for animals to be killed when it's so easy just to eat plant-based foods, particularly in more developed countries.
Do you just hold yourself to the same standard as animals incapable of understanding morality or what?
@RuD because it's just human nature. we kill, then we eat, we are at the top of the food chain for a reason. only the privileged even gets to have the conversation about the morality of animal products. makes them look incredibly out of touch.
@RuD you also can't get the required nutrients from a vegan diet, you have to take alot of external supplements, which make it cost even more. may as well eat what's normal.
eating meat these days is really fucked up, Is bad for alot of things including forests, all sorts of species living in these forests, There is much water Needed aswell, and most important animals are theated in a bad way. These are facts man, but i dont encourage people to dont eat meat its their own choice
@DC Mac you're capping man, Im living proof, havent been eating meat for a long long time. Im 6.2 and in a healthy state, our bodies adjust after a certain time. ik we are on top of the chain, but its the way we treat the animals you know.
@Lenn no, the tool we use changed, we didn't. we traded the bow and arrow, and spears for production. people would starve if they couldn't buy their food from the store, and had to hunt or gather/grow their own.
@Lenn as i said before. animals aren't humans, and i don't consider them to be on the same level. and just because you claim to be fine on it, doesn't change the fact that we are omnivores, and you're not getting proper nutrients from just a vegan diet. you're going against your own biology for some strange moral complex. it's just not realistic for most people.
@DC Mac I will say on the other hand for the vegans, I do agree we should value animals more though. Better conditions in these farms for them, because right now most farms do some really cruel shite and make the animals suffer more than they need to. I ain't gonna stop eating meat, but yeah I'm down with buying meat from farms that treat the animal better before they kill them.
Or simply cuz they don’t have the resources to be able to take that sort of lifestyle. Why do you think more wealthy countries tend to be more progressive? Also we can’t be basing our morals on animals, we can do better than them.
@Andres Araque or maybe its because being vegan is purely a privileged idea you people literally enslave south americans for your farms but oh yes progress you know how much effort it is to grow crop? Proper grazing and proper soil
@Pickle Wart I agree too, the conditions they put these animals in is terrible, but beyond that I personally believe that our sensory pleasure does not trump their life. At the end of the day they are sentient beings too and value their own life, I just don’t believe we should have the right to rip it away from them for the sole purpose of good taste. Would I kill an animal for my own survival, to save a family member, or even a stranger? Yes, but this is an extreme scenario, at the end of the day I do value the life of a human more than an animal’s, but not so much to think that I have the right to eat them for their taste.
@IOTH They won’t, we got sanctuaries. Also their survival due to that industry is also the reason for their suffering, as long as the industry thrives so does their suffering. At some point it has to stop doesn’t it?
@Andres Araque we can form social contracts with each other, and it's pretty much a universal thing across humanity. what i mean is that the vast majority of humans think it's wrong to murder one another, rape one another, steal from one another, etc. no other animals do this, outside of extremely domesticated animals by humans, and even then you still have to realize that they're wild animals at heart. wild animals will kill, rape, steal, and torture their own species and others just for fun. the strongest animal gets to set the rules, and the week are mercilessly preyed upon. we are very different.
@DC Mac you know why they dont understand this? Because most vegans are atheists with God we have order but they purely only have chaos the chaos is animalistic at heart they dont understand transcendentals
@DC Mac you’re telling the truth in countries like Tanzania, Sierra Leone, the Congo and all the poorest countries around the world it’s about survival you don’t have the chance to think about the moralities of what you eat you have to take what you can get.
@Liftism can you explain this further? Yes I do know the universe follows laws, orders and it is in sync. But we are different because we are born with morality, Scientist have done a study that says that human babies are born with morality... knowing what is good and bad.
@David The problem with your worldview which lacks God is that there is no start to what you said to us as Orthodox Christians what transcends the physical is only explained by him morality is invisible yet atheists use it? Logic is also invisible there is background in a atheist sense for that to us it is explained simply because God made everything invisible and visible without The Father there is no world there is no order it is pure animalistic chaos this is why animals live the way they do rape and infant genocides, mutilation, cannibalism if an atheist explained why he obeys logic and morality he surely cannot explain why because of his lack of belief who's to say in a atheist standpoint why should you be good?
@David The problem with your worldview which lacks God is that there is no start to what you said to us as Orthodox Christians what transcends the physical is only explained by him morality is invisible yet atheists use it? Logic is also invisible there is background in a atheist sense for that to us it is explained simply because God made everything invisible and visible without The Father there is no world there is no order it is pure animalistic chaos this is why animals live the way they do rape and infant genocides, mutilation, cannibalism if an atheist explained why he obeys logic and morality he surely cannot explain why because of his lack of belief who's to say in a atheist standpoint why should you be good?
@David But since we are made in his image we are not like them at all we are given dominion over all animals they are protected or eaten by us without us it is a harsh world.
@David also do not ask for interpretations of verses I am not correct even if my interpretation is 99.99% correct the church fathers interpretation is far superior than mine
@Liftism OK then, but when they say "we are made in His image".. It means we attained some of his attributes. God isn't a physical being, human or a human like figure in the skies. God is a spirit intertwined with the material and God is very much alive.
@David of course our worldviews are different I am thinking the way the apostles and philosophers think I always constantly state my interpretations and others interpretations are always inferior to theirs
@Chillin india has vegetarians. not alot of vegans. most still eat meat minus beef, and pretty much all of them eat eggs, milk, etc. it's not just food either, you'd have to stop buying everything with animal byproducts too. this is extremely expensive and not realistic for normal people considering animal products are in a lot of everyday household items.
@Andres Araque progressives also think communism isn't that bad, and are against free speech, as well as the second amendment. we shouldn't be getting our ideas from "progressives" in big cities lol.
@Lewis yes you do. vegan means NO animal byproducts. most plastic bags have animal products, crayons, nail polish. most everyday items have animal byproducts in them. that means spending way more for a vegan specific option, if the option is even available. it's not reasonable.
@DC Mac You're not getting my point, you simply do not need those items you mentioned in your life, it is not more expensive to be a vegan in terms of food produce
@Lewis dude, just stop. you obviously have no clue how many everyday products have animal byproducts in them, meaning you have to get the vegan alternative, which you HAVE to buy instead unless you're just not gonna use soap, toothpaste, hell even glue, and hygiene products. being vegan isn't just food, it's NO animal products AT ALL. you seem confused.
@DC Mac I'm not confused I'm just saying you don't have to buy those things, toothpaste isn't even expensive, if anyone it's you who is confused by trying to nit-pick a multitude of random objects as if it's the end of the world to buy a vegan toothpaste
@Lewis that's the privilege im talking about. i live in an extremely progressive city in the US, and used to work in nutrition. meaning i was in charge of all the vegan options. they are way more expensive than normal products, and are sometimes very scarce. if that's the case in a major US city, then it's much worse for people with lower incomes, that live in rural areas, and people in poorer countries where vegan options most likely don't even exist. nice try though.
@DC Mac all these vegan options were no doubt not vegetables but meat alternatives which aren't even healthy or necessary. a simple "vegan option" is just plain vegetables, rices, beans, pastas, sauces, which are all incredibly cheap
@Lewis and as i said above. you do not get all the required nutrients from only eating veggies, meaning you have to buy more supplements to make up the difference, which are extremely expensive. you're also completely ignoring the entire non food portion of being vegan. it's not just pick and choose, you're either vegan, or you're not.
@DC Mac You do get all you need from eating everything I mentioned, and you really cannot discredit someone from cutting a food group out of their life for the animals it saves and the environment damage it reduces just cause they don't buy a vegan toothpaste, how stupid is that?
@Lewis you don't get all your proper nutrients from those, and it's also not logically consistent. claiming to cut out animal food products to stop factory farming, but just ignore it for literally everything else? might as well eat a normal diet at that point.
Lol most of the population of india is vegan, and meat is generally more expensive here too apart from chicken, so vegan is far from expensive, it would be cheaper than carnivores diet, but yea it dont got all necessary shit for optimal health, but u can still supplement vegan counterparts of those vitamins
@Wolfy Can I ask where you get the idea that a vegan diet is not about optimal health? I hear people say this a lot but do not understand where they get the idea from. From the journals and articles I've read a plant based died is absolutely great for optimising health, it improves many physiological functions all the way to endothelial function
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DC Mac2021-11-23 20:30:46 (edited 2021-11-25 01:01:16 )
@Wolfy that's literally not true, only 20% of indians are vegan.
@DC Mac you do get all required nutrients, provide any data that says otherwise, and considering factory farming for meat is the biggest problem for the environment and to animals in general, it is not pointless to reduce meat intake or eat a vegan diet just because you don’t buy a vegan grocery bag at checkout. That’s the equivalent of saying we should never make medicine because we can’t give it to everyone around the world
@Lewis gotta love youtube deleting comments that go against their world-view, so links can't be posted. but there's an article from the BBC where they cite several studies where vegans were found deficient in many nutrients that aren't normally found in plants meaning that they needed expensive supplements to make up for it. the best part about this is that i literally got an ad from a vegan ceo saying his diet left him weak and unhealthy until he developed his "super supplement" so that he actually got the nutrients he needs. such perfect timing lol.
@DC Mac You cannot be serious by saying you were about to post a BBC article? a news outlet? not even a scientific journal man, what it probably even said was the group was deficient in B12 which is a vitamin no diet can get as it comes from a group of bacteria, the reason people who eat meat get it is because the animal itself is supplemented with B12. Regardless of that a plant based diet is still superior which is why many top level athletes are transitioning into a plant based diet following the research behind it such as the likes of Lewis Hamilton, Venus & Serena Williams, Nate Diaz and more.
@Lewis an article CITING SIENTIFIC STUDIES, but that's magically not good enough for you now huh? youtube won't allow links, but it was creatine, carnosine, taurine, EPA and DHA omega 3s, and b-12/d3 can only be engineered in a lab through algae, or bacteria(those expensive supplements again) b6 you can get from plants but it'd take eating 1.5lbs of potatoes a day just to get the recommended daily amount. of course you won't do even the most miniscule amount of research to find this out. it's common knowledge that vegans have to take supplements, or eat highly engineered foods to offset deficiencies.
@Lewis you do realize that nate diaz only uses a vegan diet to cut weight for training camps right? serena isn't vegan as she eats chicken and fish, and lewis hamilton thinks a vegan diet is good for his dog. that's straight up abuse if i've ever seen it.
@DC Mac it's especially funny how you talk about an omega deficiency considering that is not true, fish do not produce omega they get it from the plants they eat like anything found in animals they get it from plants
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DC Mac2021-11-25 16:01:20 (edited 2021-11-25 16:01:36 )
@Lewis you're talking about the third type of omega 3, threre are 2 others. that's why i specified them.
@Andres Araque when it stops then theyll all die. And a sanctuary for all of the cows would never ever work considering we can barely afford our own sanctuaries for orphans and homeless people. Those animals are not meant to be wild. Throwing a cow out of its home that it’s lived in it’s whole life and the place it’s had it’s traits selected for for thousands of years, won’t make it roam the Prairie like a Buffalo. Look into evolutionary biology and how domestication works.
@Lenn I'm a doctor and I can tell you that a vegan diet dies more harm than good. . Bodies heal themselves but they don't adjust.. don't know where you getting your info from but you should visit a health care professional
India ain't the most well off country and an estimated 20-40% are vegetarian, there are no figures for veganism but in terms of vegetarianism that puts india way ahead of any first world country
@dan dan about 25% are vegetarian, which means 75% of the country eats a normal diet. alot of people also are vegetarian for religious reasons, and cultural reasons, not health. also the topic is about vegans anyways.
That's the difference between surviving and living. People struggling to find plant based food have to rely on animals, and I see nothing wrong in that. But when you are living comfortably, why do you want to harm another sentient life for your pleasure? It seems unnecessarily cruel. As for animals eating other animals, they are obligated to do so. We humans, at this stage of our evolution, after centuries upon centuries of agriculture, do not need to rely on flesh, especially in this era of globalization.
@ChimpBoi69 because you do not get proper nutrients from a vegan only diet. you're trying to force unnatural ideals on people when eating meat is perfectly natural for us to do. animals aren't people, and should not be treated as such. people shouldn't just go out and start abusing animals for no reason, but imagine trying to tell a lion or a tiger they shouldn't eat meat because it hurts another animal. it just doesn't make sense.
I know I’m late actually just discovered you yesterday and I’ve watched at least half your videos LOL. Love the context my guy. Also this whole video sequel really got my pumped and ready to argue with vegans cause it dawned on me, like yo why they so pressed about these animal lives when eating them is a way of life? And protesting and stuff like that… but these people are the same people who also have iPhones and Nike shoes. And we all know how those are manufactured, and all the peoples lives who are hurt in the process. So I asked my girlfriend it’s like what do they prioritize, human life or animal life? And she was upset with me because I was kinda knocking vegans, but I’d challenge them any day.
Yo JiDion was speaking straight facts with the beliefs and how what’s moral is completely subjective and that his moral compass is the Bible and vegans made what their moral compass is, really philosophical, this stuff is the kind that real smart guys talk about
@Mr But who are you to say that not killing animals is “better for society” though? That is determined differently amongst many different people. There might be people who believe that killing more animals benefits society more so than it doesn’t. How can you justify your subjective moral view point on not wanting to kill animals over the opposite? This might sound ridiculous and like a game of semantics, but it’s a rational question. This is why JiDion’s rebuttal to the vegan’s “moral” argument is something to think about. JiDion bases his subjective morality off of an objective standard that comes from God and the Bible, BUT he realizes not everyone believes the objective standard he believes and that various people have different subjective moral views.
@Whitz Animal rights are a logical extension of human rights. Current morality demands consistency. If you value humans, can you name the trait that animals have that justifies murdering them? If you wouldn’t murder dogs, that’s even worse for you since you’d have to name the trait that differentiates a dog and, say, a pig.
@Mr why are animal rights a logical extension of human rights? Is there some kind of standard you’re basing that off? Is it just an altruistic view that you assume many others have? I’ll admit, it seems as if most people share many similar moral judgments, but not everyone does. Also, I never said I value humans. It’s safe to assume that I would, since many others do… and I DO value humans, but there are other humans who might not. That’s the thing. It can’t be assumed that everyone shares the consistencies of one’s particular moral judgment. Stalin is a good example of someone who doesn’t value human life. It can’t be assumed, unless there was a higher standard that humans should follow. That’s also what I believe (Higher power has given us a standard), but I know other people don’t use that for their moral compass, so I can’t assume everyone shares my moral views.
@Whitz I literally mentioned the standard in the comment you replied to. Name the trait. I recommend watching the video ‘A Meat Eater’s Case for Veganism.’
He wasn’t mad at the prank because by the end of it he was likely glad JiDion bought and ate a vegan burger.
Before David knew it was a vegan burger, like he said in the beginning, he was expecting the prank to happen.
We live in a non-vegan world. Vegans constantly are witnessing people partaking in violence against animals. It’s not unusual for vegans to see non-vegan behavior. We all are in the same world where eating animals is viewed as normal.
Ya if all vegan influencers ( don’t know if that’s what they’re called ) we’re like this guy and could actually have a convo without flipping out and speaking totally irrational more people would listen.
@Bada Bing I serve at a restaurant, I’m pescatarian I only eat fish and vegetables. I’ll eat fish about once a week, people ask me all the time if I think this entree is good when I’m serving tables and I’m talking in reference to meat included entrees (chicken or whatever it is) and I tell them I haven’t had it and they always ask why so I tell them, but I don’t judge them for eating meat. I personally don’t eat meat to keep my body healthy mainly, yet deep down I t’s also nice to know I’m not contributing to the death of pigs, cows, chicken, bison, etc. I personally don’t want them to have to stand in shit and be put in a factory line, executed one by one, it’s messed up it’s sad, yah I like the taste of a good burger, I like a Popeyes chicken sandwich but I don’t eat that anymore because not only can eating meat cause a ton of health issues, it also is a living being. I know fish are too, they are also living but I hope you can somewhat understand what I’m saying. I ate meat my whole life growing up until age 24 and I’ve been pescatarian for about 7 months now, I honestly enjoy it and I believe I’m making a positive difference.
@Kdog Garvey yes and I will say again what does slavery have anything thing to do with this his comment says slavery has completely nothing to do with being vegan or not your trying to make a reference with slavery has nothing to do with the argument
@Yanaclipzz he is saying that we live in a world where eating meat is normal. If something is normal that doesn’t mean it’s right. Just like slavery was normal many years ago, even though it wasn’t right
@Kdog Garvey when slavery was happening, it very much was viewed as right and normal. comparing the rape/torture/starvation/forced labor humans committed on eachother (and still do) to killing animals for food is really unintelligent. Slavery is much much worst
@Ashy Slashy you do realize that animals are not much different from us right? They feel pain just like we do. So if we don’t have to kill them to survive why kill them? Cause they taste good? I bet humans taste pretty good as well, but we don’t kill them because we have relationships with them. Just like we don’t kill our pets.
@Skidster then why are there so many vegans? Because we can healthily survive without meat. Just cause it taste good doesn’t mean we should eat them. Would you eat your pet? No because you have a connection to it. Those animals you are eating had families and you took that away from them
@Skidster ???? Bruh slavery is in our nature and in our world still today LMAO, the fuck you on about, modern day slavery is alive and well, and there are still many people who believe people are below them and will use them to stay above. Just because theres no chains, doesn’t mean its not slavery lol, wage slavery too
@Kdog Garvey animals can healthily survive without meat as well, and yet they still eat it, its the food chain and basic biology. as a non-vegan, i respect your beliefs but also believe that you should not enforce what you think on others
@salad23 you can do whatever you want. I’m not forcing you to do anything. I’m simply telling you why I’m vegan. I respect your choices, all I’m doing is telling you why I have these beliefs. Animals brains aren’t as developed as us. We are smarter then all animals, so we understand everything about the world. Some animals can’t survive without eating meat. It’s very simple to understand that killing animals is wrong. They feel pain just like us, you don’t eat your pets right? So why kill an innocent animal.
@Kdog Garvey Plants are living beings that reproduce, eat, grow, breathe, etc. Do you feel guilt for killing them? Or do you consider them lesser simply because they cannot scream in pain and communicate with you that you're hurting them? People have connections with plants too and dearly love the Earth itself and some even sing and talk to their plants. The reality is, no matter what you do, in order for you to live something else has to die so you can nourish your body. This is nature and it will never change no matter how angry or sad you get, live in this reality accepting that fact and choose to eat what you wish, but expecting everyone else to survive the same exact way as you is futile and has no real purpose.
@Pickle Wart you got it all wrong. When we kill insects by breathing, when we walk we kill ants. It is impossible to live without killing anything. So we try to cause the least amount of suffering. Plants do not have brains, or pain receptors so they do not feel pain like humans or animals. Bring vegan is to try cause the least amount of pain.
@Kdog Garvey you're uneducated on the subject and operating on confirmation bias while virtue signaling all at the same time. To cause an animal pain and suffering. Do you know anything about venison? Do you know anything about fish stock? Without the culling of these animals they would be riddled with diseases and become no more. Do you go to the zoo and virtue signal to top predators over their diets? You do realize humans are the alpha predators for a reason. Humans teeth and digestive systems are equipped to chew and process flesh for a reason. A vegan in the wild would wither away from lack of necessary trace elements that are not found in plants, you would not have the luxury of going to whole foods for selecting a supplemental diet. If you don't eat meat cool but stop the virtue signaling bs, you're ignorant to the life cycle of animals as well as how animals are processed. Also people do eat dogs, cats, ferrets, and any other pet you can imagine. Americans are not forced to do that because they are not starving to death. With few exceptions vegans are by far the most unhealthy people in society. How does a person weigh 300lbs at 5'8 if they are healthy? Why are vegans frail and miserable people? They are the opposite side of the same coin of diabetic beer chugging, cheeseburger eating lunatics. Bambi is in the tree needing to be broken down, the heart is power.
@dingusfuzz klon nkt275 in every single spot there a vegan athletes. They do especially good in physical sports like mma or weight lifting sports. Just because it taste good doesn’t mean it’s the right thing to do. People say you don’t get enough protean. But that’s simply not true. You don’t only get protean from meat. Every vegan I know is perfectly healthy and happy. When I said you wouldn’t eat your pet I was talking about your dog, Kat etc. cause you have connections to them and feel close to them. But that’s so hypocritical because that meat you are eating are dead animals, they had families. I’m sorry I don’t take the easy route, Eating meat cause it’s cheaper, easier. I actually see why it’s wrong. You should really do some research on why eating meat is discussing and wrong. I’m not gonna sit here and force you to be vegan. I’m just telling you why I am
@GigaMaster Almas if we are made to eat meat then why are vegans perfectly healthy? just cause we have teeth doesnt mean we have to. they feel pain just like us. we are the smartest animals we should understand this. just cause it taste good doesnt mean its right. i bet you wouldnt eat your pet, even though it would taste great
@Kdog Garvey and we are healthy too right? in the food chain life is ruthless and prey just have to live with us. we were given brains for a reason, not to pity over food that will die to some other animal a few minutes later
@GigaMaster Almas if your fine with killing an animal cause it taste good, you can do that. but if i can live a healthy life without harming animals i am gonna do that.
@ॐ Boi i mean it is normal like sure it’s wrong but at the end of the day it’s normal and how we’ve survived as a species you wouldn’t be here today without animals dying in order for our ancestors to eat and survive
@Bada Bing I think youll find that most are. You only see the bad side of veganism cuz you aren't tapped in to the culture. Most chill vegans aren't militant abt it so you don't hear them talk abt it unless you ask. The bad ones are a loud minority fs.
@Kdog Garvey humans are meant to be omnivorous. Animals also kill each other, but I don't see y'all mad abt that. Also comparing this to slavery just makes you look even worse and racist
@Nya animals can’t think the same as us. There is a reason we are the smartest animal’s we are insanely smart! You can’t hold animal’s to the same Standards as us. Some animals also need to eat meat. You see some animals that are vegetarian, but a lot need to eat it. Humans don’t that’s why you see humans completely healthy being vegan. The reason I’m vegan is cause I don’t want to kill animals just cause they taste good. Really think about it. You can get protein and all that stuff from vegan sources. The only reason you are killing helpless animals is cause they taste good
@Kdog Garvey nope I actually need to eat meat. There are a lot of people like me who need to be omnivores. Sorry to break it to you but not everyone wants to be a vegan or vegetarian
@Nya obviously there are some people who need to be omnivores, but it is very rare. I respect any decision people make. I’m just saying why I am. If you do not have to eat meat then I don’t see how you could say being vegan is wrong.
@Puffsed I just said that I know that. But most people don’t. Some people need to not eat meat to survive, Some people are born with 11 toes. But it’s kind of rare
@Kdog Garvey It’s not really like you can just release cows and pigs into the wild and they’ll thrive. They’ll get torn apart by predators and die much more painfully. Cows and pigs are domesticated animals and they were evolved to become food basically. You can’t really compare them with pets because pets weren’t domesticated to be eaten they were domesticated to serve as companions to us
@Joseph Stalin you don’t have to kill them. What a lot of people do is they take care of them. Like you would with a pet. But so many animals are getting reproduced and killed for no reason. If people would stop eating meat they wouldn’t need to reproduce or kill anymore. You see all animals live in the wild. But I think we kill way more by eating meat. If there’s no need for meat they will stop having to kill animals for it
“animals get shot and throats slit everyday”
He repeats it thinking that we, normal people, give a shit LMAOO
I'm sorry guy but we on top, that's their purpose for us. They give us pleasure and substinence.
@First name Last name that is just sickening that you think like that. The animals there killing have thoughts, families and feel pain just like we do. And you think it’s right to kill them just cause they taste good?
@Kdog Garvey "The animals there killing have thoughts, families and feel pain just like we do" proof? Complex thoughts? How complex? Yes, I do think it's right. It is how it is, we are the superior species and in nature the superior species eats from the less superior ones. Also, you know that eating plants would also be messed up since they are living.
@First name Last name plants do not have brains and can’t feel pain. What Veganism is about is causing the least amount of suffering to animals. We are the smarter then every animal so we should understand how it’s wrong to kill them just cause it taste good when there are other way to live.
@Kdog Garvey "We are the smarter then every animal so we should understand how it’s wrong to kill them just cause it taste good when there are other way to live" but why is that wrong? Explain.
@First name Last name they feel pain just like us. They also have families, and communicate. They are just like us. How would it be right to kill an animal just cause it taste good? You wouldn’t kill your pet, cause you have a connection with it? It’s not right to take an animals life away, for a cheeseburger. Humans prolly taste good would you eat a random human that you don’t know?
@Kdog Garvey "Humans prolly taste good would you eat a random human that you don’t know" No, because they are human. No, I don't eat pets (wether its a dog, cow, pig, turtle, etc), because their purpose is being a pet not food. However, I will eat animals that are meant to be eaten.
Once again, you have claimed all these opinions with no links to any evidence. You have no evidence that they experience anything sophisticated. You have also NOT answered why it is morally wrong to eat other animals.
@First name Last name please read what I said. I don’t think you are understanding what I’m saying. How is it fair for a animal meant to be a pet? But the same animal be brutally killed? They are the same animal. How do you not know Animals have feelings and pain? It’s a fact. Look it up.
@Kdog Garvey "brutally killed"this ins't necessary. That are more humane/reasonable ways of killing. They do to some extent, but it's not as sophisticated and once again there you go ignore my other questions lol
@Kdog Garvey Why did u say "They are just like us" lol If they were then I wouldn't have been able to eat them just now :)
You implied that it was ok to kill things that are alive if they do not feel pain and have no emotions. Is that correct? If so, why does this matter? There are definitely animals and humans that fall under that category yet it would not be right to eat them. So what can and cannot be eaten? Plants are indeed alive and RESPOND to different stimuli just like humans respond, why can we kill them? Also, animals provide a cheaper and easier alternative than non-meat products at getting essential nutrients. Why should I spend more money to save the lives of other animals? Why should I prioritize themselves or me? My family?
@Kdog Garvey No, you didn't. Why did u say "They are just like us" lol
If they were then I wouldn't have been able to eat them just now :)
You implied that it was ok to kill things that are alive if they do not feel pain and have no emotions. Is that correct? If so, why does this matter?
There are definitely animals and humans that fall under that category yet it would not be right to eat them. So what can and cannot be eaten?
Plants are indeed alive and RESPOND to different stimuli just like humans respond, why can we kill them?
Also, animals provide a cheaper and easier alternative than non-meat products at getting essential nutrients. Why should I spend more money to save the lives of other animals? Why should I prioritize themselves or me? My family?
@First name Last name if you breath your killing insects, if you step on the ground your killing ants. It’s impossible to live without killing something. But it’s way better to kill a plant that doesn’t have thoughts, and doesn’t feel pain. Then to kill a animal that are just like us. The only difference is we are smarter. Think about it. Animals have all the properties humans have. Just less smart. I don’t think it’s right to eat thousands of animals year. It’s also healthier to eat more veggies. You can say you don’t get enough protein, but that’s simply not true. You see athletes in every single sport who are vegan and do incredibly well. The tormenter is even vegan. You can have a different belief then me and that’s completely fine. I’m just trying to tell you my POV. I think it’s wrong to kill a living being when there are other alternatives
@Kdog Garvey "Then to kill a animal that are just like us" quit saying this, they aren't lol Like I said, it is cheaper and more convient to get the nutrients from meat rather than from solely a green diet. Why should I spend more money that I don't have? Also, when did I say exclusively protein? There are many other nutrients gained from eating meat. Do you place humans above other animals? If so, then their purpose is to feed us and help us sustain a population that we desire.
@First name Last name is a rich person better then a poor one? We are all animals, we are just smarter. How can you argue this. It’s a fact. You think being vegan is so expensive when it’s not. There are so many cheep options out there. You just gotta have a opened mind. I thinks it’s very dumb to eat meet because it’s cheaper.
@Kdog Garvey you actually compared black people getting tortured to eating animals. THIS. THIS.. is why I and everybody else HATES VEGANS. 🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️
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the end is near.2022-02-26 14:17:41 (edited 2022-02-26 14:18:10 )
@Kdog Garvey All of life has what's called a food chain. We worked our way to the top through technology allowing us to kill whatever animal poses a threat as a predator. We also learned what animals are easiest to herd and reproduce in mass amounts in order to keep a steady supply of food for everyone in the world. We also keep pets of certain animals as we most likely ate them years ago, but realized they can also be obedient and follow orders when trained which leads us to not eat these animals, but keep them as part of the family. Is it wrong to kill animals? No. Is it wrong to mass murder them in factories? Yes, but at the same time, their whole life was meant for people to eat them. Every animal on the planet except us is inevitably going to be eaten by a predator. But again, killing them in factories where they can't really live their life is also super fucked up and that aspect should be looked at. I'm all for natural meat production, but I don't think that will happen. That's the first step though in fighting animal abuse, but remember that all animals will be eaten in some sort of way, so why wouldn't we have systems in place to make our lives better.
I actually really liked how you respectfully argued with him and made him accept that your opinion isn't the same as his, and you still love him as a person. This is how people start making people who are wrong think more. Good job bro bro
I agree man but the vegan guy started talking about human like animals as a hypothetical when we literally have monkeys. Monkeys are the closest animals to humans and we don’t eat monkeys so his statement didn’t make sense
@GavinMcleod6162 He was basically trying to use the "name that trait argument". The argument says it name a trait in animal, that if that trait existed in a human then it would justify eating the human for some bacon made from human. Remember that we are not talking about survival situations and that humans can be healthy on a vegan diet.
One example is a fish's intellegence. If a human had a fish's intellegence would that morally justify killing the that human for a meal just for taste and not for survival.
You mentioned monkeys? If humans lived in the jungle? If humans had tails? If a human had the same level of intellegence as a monkey?
The conclusion is that we can't actually justify uneccassarily killing animals because of any specific animal traits. It's a lie we tell ourself to make it okay to eat a tasty meal rather than eat a less tasty meal (maybe).
David Ramms destroyed Jidion. Jidion couldn't come up with a single counter argument other than religion. The Bible also talks about incest and killing your first born child. So religion is quite possibly the most uneducated counter argument you could use and that's all Jidion used. You should maybe go take a look at the hour long video. David Ramms makes so many great points and it's incredibly informative. Where as Jidion essentially said "mmmm bacon" for an hour.
@Cameron MacDonald don't waste your valuable time here. I looked at a few comments and am deeply disgusted. For most of them there will be a hard awakening, at the latest when they die. Those who refuse to follow rules shall feel the consequences.
@Diaper Turd what do you mean lol, JiDion brought in religion yet it had nothing to do with it lol, like meat you buy in store has nothing to do with it
@BEHEMOTH dude were you not listening to him? The vegan only used “shot in the head” and “throats slit” as an argument and jidon brought up how his religion kills a goat or something like that you sandbag
Yeah but he had some bad points like saying or making it seem as the people who buy meat are responsible for the killing and making them scared and regretful Wich is not the way to make people join you the consumers are not at fault is more of the system who makes them brainwashed into thinking they're good so they buy more and a lot of vegans make the consumers and workers who need the job to feed their family into the bad guys when they arent
@9166__Dja who says I eat that type of meat I eat organic meat lmao it's pretty fucked but it's part of our nature their is no stopping that what ur describing is humans being cruel not why eating meat is bad when their are so many alternatives
Kkay WettEmUp nah animals are here for us. We believe we were created by God and we are here to be tested and everything here is for us to make use of and most of it we need. Just because you don't believe that, you think you can force us to believe what you want. Naaah. I'm eating a juicy halal beef burger right now. I only eat meat once a week but our brains need it. Bye bye
@Diaper Turd it's not even all about the animals. Those mass productions cause severe damage to the climate. The mass of animals stored are releasing gasses that damage the environment and climate. I'm not vegan nor vegetarian. I eat meat but these mass productions are a severe problem.
Kkay WettEmUp “animals are aware of their own existence” chickens: pecks the ground for no reason second I never said they couldn’t feel pain but they are no smart be real it’s not like it’s a horse it’s a cow..
@[-0LT'U Iiii307n again so Is the emotional argument no actual evidence or reason why eating meat is bad and vegan diets are “Healthier” they fact you tried to use gay marriage in an argument is kinda funny
@Diaper Turd that is not what im saying. Im just saying the religion argument can be used to criminalise homosexuality, justify slavery, legalise pedophilia and so on, the same way just an exaggeration to get the point across. It is an usless argument that is very much an emotional argument—"MY religious sentiments are hurt".
Ps. There IS evidence that veganism is better for the environment.
Kkay WettEmUp first off your 15 calm yourself 2nd how is this relevant to eating meat is bad for you? i don’t see obesity gains info, anything that has to do with the physical body all your doing is stating that the way of life since Stone Age was cruel and guess what if you care about animals do something for them instead putting words in mouths
@Diaper Turd ok calm down cows are one of my favorite animal as im eating steak rn i can assure you that im not vegan but don’t call the poor animals braindead
Yeah, someone with a brain lol. Jidions argument was literally just saying anyone can do whatever they want as long as they think it’s ok. That’s the type of mentality that leads to racism, murder, rape, etc…
Bro Jidion won that argument what are you talking about? Hop off David’s meat. Stop forcing your beliefs on other people. It’s pathetic and ridiculous.
@Modeus the process of eating for animals is survival, for humans it’s a mixture of survival as well as to thrive by maximising a nutritional diet. You can have an extremely nutritional diet and survive without having to harm animals, the difference between us and animals is that we have morals , now most of the world has the ability to move to a vegan diet it’s time to make that switch as it’s the ethical and moral decision in the same way ending slavery, allowing woman to vote, allowing gay marriage etc where all the correct moral and ethical decision.
@JustRoberto Boo hoo lmaoooo you will never stop anything this relationship between predator and prey has gone on since the dawn of time. Cry about it maybe you’ll change something in your live time lmao
@AceZay is that your best argument? you realize its an unsustainable system which will head to a plant based one to mitigate further climate catastrophe right? the world isn't always going to needlessly harm animals, if you think this is the pinnacle of societal accomplishment then you're a tool.
Cooking meat and hugging grandmas. This dude's the best.
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Lucas da Menace2021-12-21 23:18:31 (edited 2021-12-21 23:19:00 )
Jidion the only dude who can prank his enemy, get em to fume, get em to smile and still have a debate with them in the same video, despite the guy canceling on him🤣🤣
I loved how you made a rebuttal towards the vegan’s moral argument. His view is subjective based off of how he feels; whether it’s an altruistic view or not. You brought in your religion to clarify that YOUR subjective view is based off of the OBJECTIVE moral standard provided from God and the Bible. However, you also stated how there’s other religions that follow other objective moral standards that are taught in those religions. Ultimately, there will always be a plethora of subjective moral views and no one should hold their own on a pedestal.
If you watch these and think its not cool and are interested in the health aspect then I'll send you some more info on that as well if youd like :) I really hope you watch them itll only take about 8 minutes of your time for important information!
@偷猎者的骄傲 As a vegan I have more respect for carnists than vegetarians. Dairy and eggs are the most cruel, fucked up and environmentally damaging foods you can eat. Being vegetarian isn't an ethical choice, male chicks get shredded alive in a grinder seconds after they hatch because they don't make eggs. Its also not a health choice as eggs and dairy are horrible for you. You just want vegans to respect you without giving up cheese. We don't respect you and I'm assuming you have no respect for yourself. You'd actually be doing less harm if you ate more meat and less dairy.
@Cameron MacDonald you're the reason I'm never turning vegan.. I wonder how you feel about abortion.. and as a health care professional I can tell you that dairy and eggs are actually beautifully healthy for some people depending on their lifestyle, health conditions etc.. just sit down please
If he wanted to talk about facts there's no better argument then the fact that we are omnivorous and therefore we need both meat and vegetables. Also, the reason why people kill animals and not other people is because we don't see animals as equals to us (which I obviously don't think they are) so they don't hold as much value as a person and therefore a little sacrifice for our pleasure is justified
We don't need meat though. We need nutrients. All of which can be found in a plant based diet. What's the recommended daily intake of meat? How many milligrams of "meat" do you need a day? What kind of meat? It's most definitely propaganda that we need meat. Every single nutrient we need is found in plants. With the exception of B12, but B12 isn't even found in meat anymore because we've destroyed the soil. All meat you're eating today that contains B12 is supplemented into the animals feed. They don't produce it naturally.
@Cameron MacDonald I can see you are vegan, and an idiot at that. Meat does contain plenty of B12. More dangerous of veganism? Lack of Iron; the high ingestion of phytates, lectin and others (that are rich in vegetarian and vegan diets) will lead to the increase of cracks and holes in your gut, leading to a leakage of toxins and bacterias to your body; lack of protein; lack of calcium Let's also talk about the fact that a vrgetarian or vegan diet has far less calories, which is excellent if you're trying to lose weight but terrible if (like me) you already have a hard time gaining weight, you'll just end up malnourished. Can you be healthy with a vegetarian or vegan diet? Yes, but it will be much much much harder then an omnivorous one. Plus you'll need to take supplements
Also, if you wanna follow the facts like your friend said, isn't the fact that we are omnivorous the biggest fact at play?
Let's go over more nutrients that are rarely found in vegan diets: vitamin D, iodine, omega-3 (that leads to depression, that is why you are more likely to be depressed), zinc. Veganism and vegetarianism are also really unreliable for people with physically demanding jobs and children (because malnutrition has a much greater impact during puberty then in adult life and the needs are greater). It is also more expensive unless you have a small farm (which is a nice hobby by the way) where you can get some of your food from.
Plenty of reasons. A good omnivorous diet is both easier and more convenient. Can omnivorous diets be bad? Yes, looks at the US and the UK where a large % of people are obese. Eating meat doesn't have be to associated with fast food, high saturated fat foods, obesity and all those things
@PriestMarmore if only this response could be pinned… mfs swear by the comforting words of “you can get all essential nutrients from a vegan diet” 🤦🏽♂️
@Nik S. I didn’t say it wasn’t factual. I pointed out that that’s all people need to hear to be persuaded that it’s the best route to take. But as this gentleman thoroughly explained, its not.
@Radiocorrective I was actually thinking about going vegetarian because I wanted to lose weight (I’m not to big I’m 18 at around 165 lbs) and build muscle cause I wanna get into the best shape I can but I also don’t wanna lose out on the protein I can get from like beef or something. Any ideas?
@TheRealCosta Oh thats actually similar to what my best friend did! He went 100% plantbased because he decided to be vegan (as in a follower of Veganism the philosophy). He used to be pretty overweight but now he's in a healthy weight range. He swears on beans which is one of the best foods to consume regarding getting proper protein and nutrition all around plus you can make some rad dishes with them. I'll ask him further about his usual eating habits and then report back but what I would currently recommend is watching 'The game changers' documentary because its all about fitness and health with plantbased eating and features a lot of bodybuilders, athletes (and scientific evidence) whom you can get good advice from. After that I could recommend some yt channels to you that also specify on convenient and affordable plantbased nutrition if you'd like.
Nah. They're self-righteous saying it's objectively wrong to kill animals but it's okay for a woman to abort their baby. Go tell a snake it's wrong to eat rodents/chicks and give it lettuce see how long it survives.
@chumpstain there is a different from Vegans themselves posting crazy shit about how anyone who eats meat is a Horrible person and a murders then a the Main stream making up lies about then
@Carlos Castillejo damn, almost like snakes are carnivores, and need meat to survive😱 if you were actually smart you’d know being vegan is probably the best thing you can do for your body and for other animals.
@Carlos Castillejo well yea snakes are carnivores but my thing is they could not go to eating vegetables all the time because their body is not made for that while our bodys are
@BlackCobra Perhaps you might be generalizing. It seems improbable to me that you've observed most vegans. A lot of this stigma comes from extreme activits but how many activits are extreme and how many vegans are even activits? How do you know what most are like?
@BlackCobra I'm not trying to be rude or anything either but don't you find it somewhat ironic that you're calling them judgemental while asserting that most of them are weirdos?
@BlackCobra veganism for a lot of people is a moral code. Ofc they want to be around other vegans, that’s like being surprised when regular people don’t want to be around murders
@chumpstain the media could care less about if people go vegan. Fact is, there will always be a market for meat products. In fact, modern media pushing any food products more often push vegan foods, because they're harder to sell.
@Osiris eh, theres a reason that the stigma if the vegan friend exists. I will say though, that doesnt mean a majority of vegans are like this, but a disproportionate amount are.
@Juh Yeah it's just another example of people stereotyping a group of people due to a minority who aren't actually representative of the average person in that group
@Osiris Well thats only true because across all demographics, there is an introverted population. It tends to be the extroverted population of vegans that fit the category. Plenty of rational vegans that I've met agree it's pretty common for vegans to find ways to bring it up
@Juh That's hard to say because there's no real reliable source for the amount of introverts on that scale and it tends to be estimated at most 50% or lower. However, I personally don't have a problem with them bringing it up. Everyone talks about their interests frequently. I think the problem is when they shame people, are condescending as if they're better or are just down right disrespectful but these kind of people aren't at all representative from what I've seen anyway
Yeah but he shouldn’t be stressing or hating on other people, for what they believe and feel towards eating animals and killing animals though, some think it’s okay, some don’t, it’s that simple but we should still respect one and another and ourselves at the end of the day, but tbh that would be hard, for a vegan to walk into a restaurant and be like ew meat or I feel bad for that animal but that’s why there’s VIGAN RESTAURANTS.
@Carlos Castillejo bro, 2 separate issue. Objectively speaking, eating meat that comes from industrialized agriculture is WRONG, but we still eat it anyway.
@Carlos Castillejo I mean, the meat industry is actively hurting the planet. He is not wrong in saying that animals are treated badly. He believes it's a big deal and others don't really care. That's the subjective part.
I’m fine with people being vegan and idrc if someone is, but it’s just the fact that some of them try to say bad things about u just because u aren’t. I know a lot of them aren’t like that, but it’s the ones that are that give them a bad name
EliteAthlete15 I love meat, I had a banging half pounder for dinner but I also acknowledge it's selfish cause an animal lived a poor life for me to have it. It fundamentally makes no sense people are against eating dogs and cats when they eat meat. There's no harm acknowledging it's all conditioning
EliteAthlete15 exactly so it's just conditioning. In the west we're conditioned to think that way. Cows are playful like dogs and if wolves/dogs weren't useful to humans ages ago they wouldn't have been domesticated and you could be eating them as well today. It's all conditioning. We can be vegan but we're conditioned to want meat even though it's selfish and that's fine there's no harm in admitting that and enjoy meat at the same time
@AbSTRACT ,*0¡, these types of debates/discussions are what MAKE the laws, this is how laws are changed, believing something is morally right because of what “the law” is. Is the worst way to view these situations, laws change every day. The debate comes BEFORE the law.
@Shaikh N Bake But it does lol. I'm a person who eats meat and I can acknowledge and admit that its messed up and that the way that it comes to us is disgusting. Go watch a documentary on how they force breed animals and kill them if they aren't born the right gender in slaughter houses and factories. Scientifically, the world would be much better if everyone went vegan. The other sides argument is just, "let me do what i want", nothing more.
Were they? He basically said "let's just accept that we have different beliefs". Is this thinking okay when someone's "belief" leads to a victim? Should we not stand up to injustices just because the abusers "have different beliefs"?
@• Eating animals involves killing them first, so that action has a victim. There's a lot of abuse in animal agriculture. Is eating animals necessary? No. So the "we have different beliefs" argument here justifies any actions involving unnecessary victims.
@Heekamalo Kilo is eating animals necessary? Absolutely. If you ever took a nutrition course you’d know that almost any diet that restricts the body from certain nutrients (animal proteins included) is unhealhty
@Heekamalo Kilo It's just nature man. Animals hunt and eat their prey alive. The conditions that we keep ours in could be better and the killing could be done in a quicker way but at the end of the day there will always be predator and prey. Humans are invasive extremely intelligent predators that is the natural way we have evolved to be it would seem. It wont change any time soon maybe in the future either way no point in trying to get everyone to come to your side by shaming them. That makes people act out in spite. That is human logic. Like Jidion said we just have different views. We can try to sell each other on those views all day but at the end of the day if someone doesn't come to certain conclusions on their own it wont stick with them. By the logic I see here all pain and suffering should be stopped. Which would be noble and great. But as I said it is nature. Just as a lion eats a gizelle we eat cows. The only difference is that we do it in bulk and have our "hunting system" automated. Humans can't even be good and not kill each other of course they would kill their prey in such an unnatural system as a slaughterhouse.
Even with me saying all of this I know you probably won't see the point.
@Heekamalo Kilo I don’t really cares for some animals to me they are worth the food especially because I used to have a medical diet in had to be on for 5 years and I really had to eat meat for nutrients and I love meats.
@Heekamalo Kilo You still kill a plant when you eat it so it is a "victim" by your own logic. So clearly you care more about one living thing more than another.
@JustCallMeD that’s what I was thinking they are trying to show objective facts about what happens to animals but don’t see that most of us don’t find the killing of animals for food immoral
@Heekamalo Kilo eating animals is necessary for certain nutrients we NEED in our bodies also do you think people back then during the nomadic times would’ve survived off of eating plant?? Also plants are a living thing too so by a vegetarians logic every animal or human in the world is doing something evil that leads to a victim
@Punu It's just simple unfiltered logic. Looking at things the way they really are. People seem to forget that we are animals as well. We just have evolved in our intelligence enough to believe that we are somehow different from the rest. The only difference is in our IQ. We still operate in animalistic ways that have been evolved to be more industrial or come with ease. Even with us being so smart still we are so dumb that we cant see the truth.
We are not special. We are not exempt from the laws of natural and reality. When did we start to see ourselves as above these systems? We can never be. We can pretend to be. But we can never attain such a status. All of these subgroups and cultures all separated and ignoring the truth. Why must we be so blind?
@Heekamalo Kilo if I want to eat what you gon do about it ima eat the the meat you know what ima eat double the meat just so 1 person that’s vegan ain’t doin shit
He didn’t argue he just said they had different views. That’s so dumb. The literal point of arguing is to change those views and argue about them they left with the same exact views and got nowhere because of jidion.
@Heekamalo Kilo No, because we are talking about death of animals not humans. Not to be unempathetic but, I don't feel bad when an animal dies, I feel bad when an animal is tortured. True abuse of animals is torturing them not killing them because animals die in the wild. I think of the death of an animal (as long as they were cared for and treated properly) as the same in the wild and for eating. Despite this I have conflicting thoughts about the idea of raising farm animals to be killed.
@Heekamalo Kilo Also, we aren't gods. We don't have a perfect grasp of science relating to diet yet. Hell we know more about space than the complex physiolgy of our wn bodies. With that being said, I believe that we are omnivores and not herbavores for a reason. Meat has studied effects on certain diseases that can improve or negate the effects of certain conditions. Im not saying everyone needs to eat meat, Im saying that implying that we should treat animals like humans is a slippery slope.
It’s quite difficult because when ever republicans try to have conversations, they are almost immediately insulted for their beliefs. That’s why I like shows like change my mind by Steven crowder because he wants to have a sit down conversation with opposing views
@SabreTooth77 Can you elaborate more because every person is different which means every republican is different which also means that you can have civil convos with some proving your statement wrong
@ChaseR _ I mean that most of the time when a Democrat hears opposing views they want to end the conversation and Republicans are called racist and so on for their different views
@Jones BBQ foot massage yea, but it really all depends on location. For example, you live in California, your gonna get clowned on for being a republican. However, if you live in a republican state then its vice versa.
@Jones BBQ foot massage did you not read what I said bud? I clearly said that and we aren't talking about then internet, we are talking about real life lmao
The guy does not have much arguments a part from slitting their throat and bullet through their head. But at the end he is a good sport and admits being pranked by my man.
You made laugh a vegan ! It's huge ! When they become agressive in their talk i asked them who were the most enthusiast about being vegetarian in the West world and i tell them : " Adolf Hitler and Charles Manson " ( it always makes me laugh ...) - BTW , it's true !
I love you JiDion but he was walking all over you when your only real argument was "I'm Christian, they used to slaughter lambs, you're not allowed to step on my religious rights" I mean come on man nobody these days is eating meat because of ancient lb slaughter 😂 love you though, bout to go make a burger right now
Actually, quite a lot of religions still sacrifice animals. TBH in my opinion: God gave us dominion over the animals, and we should use them for food and other animal products BUT, we need to be fair "rulers" and treat them with some respect in the process.
I don't think David has ever heard of Temple Grandin because without her the animals would actually be mistreated. but thanks to her, up until the moment they die the animals are treated better than most humans. And their throats are not slit until they are dead and you don't get ptsd and that shit from being a butcher
I think this was a good debate. It was 2 people actually have a decent debate. Rebuttling each other and pointing out faults, while still being respectful.
bro you guys are more concerned with the fact that “it was a good debate” than the actual outcome. it’s not a good debate if no one has anything to say/argue about it.
XxJxydenxX XxAlønexX “if everyone was vegan we would take all of the plants away considering there’s many of us here” lmao 😂 I hope u just like 5 or sum cus if you older it just ain’t no hope for the you
One of the experiences I’m most grateful for in life is owning a beef cow. The day my family bought our first cow, the rest of her heard was heading to slaughter. She was 400lbs, and barley a year old. I named her tasty and she was given daily sweet grain and fruits from our family’s farm. After 2 years of growing her out it was time. Not gonna lie a cow is a little harder to gut then a deer but there is nothing better than doing every step your self. It was some tasty beef 🥩 get a beef cow and fill your own freezer if you have the land and eat beef!!! It’s so worth it, yes it can be sad but the empowerment of growing and harvesting your own meat is very rewarding
Jidion was speaking facts. At the end of the day, everybody going to be doing what they think is right. Some people believe it’s wrong to slaughter animals and others people are going to go to McDonald’s daily. That’s just the way people are.
Nah vegans actually get a lot of protein, at one point the strongest man alive was a vegan, but I agree with the point, everyone should be allowed to do anything they want💪
@Thomas McHugh you can't sit on your couch and eat shit but become the world's strongest man because you take steroids. Of they all take steroids then there a level playing field right? Then why was the strongest still vegan?
any advice to help me not wanna smack vegans upside their head? They don’t understand the kindergarten level food chain. “Save the animals 🥺🥺🥺😇😇😇” is bs. We’ve been eating meat for millions of years and now all of a sudden they say “omg no, eating sheep so bad 🥺🥺🥺😱😱😱”
@Swarms He’s right about the meat industry though. Egg manufacturers literally shred male chicks alive the day they are born because they’re useless to them since they don’t lay eggs.
@Marco Vegans definitely understand the concept of food chain. The point however is that being at the top of the food chain doesn't ethically justify exploiting non-human animals. Just because one is stronger and is in the power position, doesn't justify doing something. Wouldn't the "food chain" line of reasoning also justify colonialism?
@Swarms What do you mean makes it worse for yourself? In terms of feeling guilty? I literally don't understand your point, this person above respectfully debunked your arguments and your advice is to ignore them?
@Atte Rahikkala I didn’t respond cause I was asleep when I say ur only hurting yourself I mean like it’s pointless to argue cause no one is gonna take each other’s side and both of u guys would waste each other’s time
@Swarms Okay. But I highly disagree with the part about neither taking each other's side. I'm not claiming that a Youtube comment makes anyone vegan but it can definitely make people more aware. The vast majority of vegans weren't born vegan. Close to a hundred million vegans became vegan after they were informed and after their beliefs were questioned.
The message of veganism is very simple. It's a stance against injustice. If you believe that animal cruelty is wrong and if you believe that causing unnecessary suffering is wrong (which most people do), you already have a vegan mindset. Then people just need to be informed that animal agriculture indeed is cruel (by explaining and showing what is done to animals and how they are treated) and that it's scientifically proven that animal products are unnecessary for a healthy diet (thus making their suffering unnecessary). It really is that simple.
Exploiting animals for our benefit is so deeply in our society that most non-vegans never even consider that what they are doing is wrong. And when they are questioned the first time, they come up with all kinds of justifications. And after explaining why none of the justifications is valid, there's really no excuses left. Living a vegan life would actually be more in line with most people's morals if people were more informed about the exploitative industries and the reasoning behind veganism.
@Atte Rahikkala also I believe that we are allowed to eat animals because of my religion so really nothing else is stopping me. But good for u for being vegan
@Swarms What is your religion? Christianity? What about the parts "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" or "Thou shalt not kill" for example? Do you think these statements are in line with eating meat?
@Krwiomocz.Bogurodzicy Ⓥ damn you outsmarted me. Still gonna eat burgers without second thoughts, and no not the veggie burgers that taste like ass with lettuce on it. But I don’t hate vegans anymore. But if they tell me to eat their nasty ass, fake ass, dry ass veggie burgers I’m going to jail.
@Swarms Don't you think the Bible is contradictory then? Or is the Bible a valid baseline for ethics anyways? If the Bible approves causing unnecessary suffering (consuming animal products is unnecessary, regardless of it being approved or not), then why would you even refer to the Bible?
@Atte Rahikkala this is what my friend told me about that verse ah, so very interesting topic. The word for "murder" and "kill" are different. The hebrew manuscripts here use the term "murder" but not "kill".
Killing (hebrew) refers to executing someone for justified reason such as a God sanctioned war, the protect the innocent, and punishment decreed by a just council (which can also be a war decreed by a just council, such as a God sanctioned council).
Murder (hebrew) refers to taking the life of someone out of vengeance, or the killing of someone outside of court ruling or war. This is taking of life where you are acting as judge and jury alone.
@Swarms No religion mandates eating. We don’t have to eat animals to be a devout Christian, Muslim, Jew, Hindu, etc. Therefore, we can be vegan and religious, just like we can recycle and be religious, or just like any other modern lifestyle choice we make which is not explicitly mentioned in religious texts but is also not prohibited.
Plus, why would a wise and omniscient God give pain receptors to animals and then tell us to kill them? Surely God would approve of us being vegan, therefore causing the least amount of harm possible to animals and the environment, both of which are God’s creations.
@Samu Puuronen well I never said u have to eat meat to be Christian. I just said my God allows me to do it so I do it. ( and if I did my bad). Also they animals talked before Adam sinned so God gave them pain receptors before that happened that’s why they still have it. Also God allowed us to eat meat cause he made animals pure
"it's not a belief". Believing that eating animals is wrong IS A BELIEF MF WHAT. Only humans feel guilt, no carnivore has a problem eating an animal or feel any kind of remorse. We're here to eat each other and who says killing is inherently wrong and not just something socially frowned upon based on guilt which is a uniquely human emotion.
Aye I’m not trying to be a vegan like that, but it literally isn’t a belief. Factually, cattle grazing and livestock production and processes harm the environment and us people. So in actuality, veganism is a solution, not a belief. This is in relation to the logical side, but of course their are certain beliefs that come with veganism.
@Castillo _130 None of this is true. Row cropping is far more destructive than raising ruminants. Ruminants graze on grass which is already growing. Almost all the water used is from rainfall. The propaganda is strong but if you actually look it up you’ll see how quickly the narrative falls apart.
Please be respectful and take veganism seriously. It's hardly even a choice when people become vegan. It is a paradigm shift, a change in perspective. We realized we were wrong in our actions and we had a moral obligation to live a different way. I can't go back on that even if I wanted to. Are you against animal abuse? Then you're already vegan at heart. Align your actions with your ethics, the only thing you'll regret is not doing it sooner. ✌️
@JustRoberto you’re right unnecessary harm and exploitation is wrong. I don’t think anyone would agree with that. R u trying to say any killing of animal to produce clothing or food is unnecessary and exploitative?
I agree that David Ramms makes good points, which are often delivered in quite a witty and entertaining manner. You might be interested in the recent interview he had with Damien Mander, who is an ex special forces sniper and is now a vegan protecting wildlife in Africa from poaches. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFNKW5fSYz0
@Krwiomocz.Bogurodzicy Ⓥ I see where ur trying to go with this. In our culture dogs are seen as pets and companions so that would be extremely taboo. In other countries they eat dogs because that’s what they require for food or it’s common in their culture. In India for example they don’t believe they should eat cows. Different cultures have different norms regarding what animals are seen as pets/companions/sacred
@JustRoberto I mean u said unnecessary harm of an animal. To make food or clothing it wouldnt make it “unnecessary harm” it be necessary to make food or clothing. But are you asking me it’s if necessary for ME personally to eat meat ?
@773 Legend so if I made food and clothing from humans would that fall under the category of “necessity” even though we have alternative food and clothing choices.
Yes, is it a necessity for you to use animals for daily living?
@773 Legend, Wouldn't you then be commited to say slaughtering of dogs for meat and leather is not unnecessary nor exploitative where it's culturally accepted?
@JustRoberto I don’t think solely culture morally justifies anything. I didn’t say culture justifies actions causing harm, I said culture doesn’t support harming of certain animals which is why as an American i wouldn’t support the slaughtering or dogs here as I explained above.
@JustRoberto no that wouldn’t be a necessity it would be a crime. Animals and humans aren’t the same. I don’t believe just cause there other options it makes eating animal wrong. My point was it’s not unnecessary harm and exploitative to have meat.
@773 Legend but it is uneccessarry because there is other options… it’s on necessary when there is no other option. I never asked if it was murder, I asked if it was a necessity, you realise it’s not a necessity because there is another option. Also what is the difference between humans and non humans which makes it justified morally when there’s an alternative choice?
@Popular shows like we don’t need to harm animals, they can feel pain and suffer like we do. There’s an alternative, paying for these products is to pay for an animal to experience torture etc.
@JustRoberto Like we need to eat and like animals that we kill for food are way lower on an evolutionary scale than us. Like it is logical that in order to feed all the people in the world variety has to be there. Points against killing animals for food are dumb and illogical. Only privileged and people with too much time on their hands can come up with stuff like "cHicKen, cOw and piG haVe FeeLinGs".
@Popular shows you don’t need to eat animals to be healthy so why would you want to harm them? Why is it dumb to point out that animals can suffer when there’s an alternative choice than inflicting suffering?
@shoobadoo123 nature doesn’t want anything, animals don’t just get a quick death, they suffer hugely before even being killed, 90-99% of global meat production comes from a factory farm. And how does killing an animal quickly make it justified when there’s a choice not to?
@JustRoberto killing is part of being an omnivore/carnivore. We were meant to kill because we were made to eat meat. Nature DOES want it that way. You can ignore the signs if you want, but you’re blind to to the truth that way
@JustRoberto I don't need animal meat to strictly be healthy, I need it to not be hungry similar to needs of billions and billions of other people. Also, there are health benefits in proper diet that does Incorporate meat. We are made and evolved that way that we can process meat intake. Why should we negate our bodies of needed nutrients just because there is idea that beings inferior to us feel "pain". Alternative is bad, if it was good it'd be practiced everywhere by now.
@shoobadoo123 dude you don’t do anything naturally, you go to a supermarket to buy factory farmed and abused animals body parts. The fact you can eat them doesn’t mean you should. There’s an alternative choice instead of abusing animals. Look up appeal to nature fallacy, for example if I said “lions eat their own babies, it’s natural to eat babies so we should eat babies because it natural” that’s an appeal to nature fallacy. Nature has no bearing on what is or isn’t moral.
@JustRoberto Supermarket or not, doesn’t matter. And just because you have the choice to NOT eat animals doesn’t mean you should. Who are you to say what’s right and what’s wrong? The audacity of vegans like you who try to dictate morality is unbelievable. Also we are not lions. And I never even made that argument. I’m talking about human nature. That doesn’t fit the appeal to nature fallacy.
@shoobadoo123 yes it does saying it’s human nature is an appeal to nature, it’s not a moral justification to harm animals. Do you think it’s morally right to needlessly harm an animal?
him mentioning "the bible supports slavery" was not a good point at all because back then slavery was totally different then the slavery that happened towards people
If you believe in the Bible you believe that we are all born into sin, meat only started being eaten after Adam and Eve sinned. God wants us all to individually choose the right path, and I think the one where we don't eat the flesh of his creations is probably the right one.
@Kreed2k wait are you saying pesticide use is a justification to directly and needlessly harm animals? You know vegans also campaign for overall better farming and harm reduction right? Just because harm exists that not a justification to maximise the harm we cause, that’s ridiculous thinking.
@mind E scientifically plants feel pain they did an experiment where some dude screamed a riped a plants leaf and a class of high schoolers walked by it when that dude walked by its something went up basically a hart beat or something but not
he kept shitting the bag and giving more and more unrealistic examples
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@OPOL cool story. Even if that were true, you should be vegan because eating animals kills wayyyyy more plants than if you were just to directly eat plants. So to be consistent with your belief that plant lives matter, you by default should go vegan and be responsible for Less plant deaths. 😘
@JustRoberto it’s not wrong to eat animals it’s natural. You ever see a bear eat a deer? Bears don’t like to eat dead carcasses so they injure the prey and eat it alive. Killing and eating animals is part of nature it’s ur humanity thats artificial and that’s telling you killing is bad, when in reality killing other species for food is 100% natural and normal. The only good argument for vegainism is environmental factors considering the beef industry and other farming industries are not good for the environment considering all the water that’s wasted and emissions.
@JustRoberto bro imma just leave it as we have differnt belief cause there too many replies now lol. Humans are omnivores and made to eat meat. I don’t like the inhuman treatment of animals. I think they should be treated with respect when killed for the purpose of meat / clothing. According to the Bible we had domain over animals but still must respect them. So human and animals are not on the same level. If u had 5 humans about to be crushed and 5 pigs about to be crushed which would u save if u had 1 option. I’d hope you’d save the humans.
@Carlie S he said unnecessary harm and exploitation. It’s not uncessary harm it’s necessary to eat them. It’s useful. It’s not just torturing and animal to leave on the side of the road that uncessary harm.
@773 Legend the part that makes it unnecessary is the fact that we are capable of surviving without eating them. If we don't NEED to do it to survive, by definition it is UNNECESSARY. It's really simple.
@JustRoberto no it’s no but ok. And no harm is done. I only support instant death. Imagine if humans were just as dumb as other animals. We’d be killing animals because we’re naturally omnivores. Also we squash mosquitos and ants and other bugs without batting an eye. Why? Because we value human life more. Same with every other species, we don’t value them the same as human lives. So yes it is morally right imo. And remember there is no objective morally right. So stop trying to dictate morality. My view is an opinion. And so is yours
@JustRoberto is it morally wrong for a lion to eat a gazelle or hyaena to maul or animals to death Or wolves to eat a deer nope it’s just the food chain some animals eat meat to survive some eat grass don’t knock it that’s apart of life
@Krwiomocz.Bogurodzicy Ⓥ hold on but u like killing plants which are living. if we had no meat we would die from lack of protein it is survival. While the animals would kill us.
@mind E man I don’t even eat meat anymore but you doing to much. Who cares if people like to eat meat or not, animals die everyday n get abused by other animals. I’m not saying it’s right or wrong it’s just the food chain. Animals are doing it all the time so why can’t humans plus we are omnivores. We have other options… so what, meat tastes good and we enjoy it. I have no problem with veganism but some of you people are just over the top like sheesh. I’d rather have an animal die by getting shot in the head or neck sliced than to literally be eaten alive by another animal
@773 Legend It isn’t a necessity if there are other options and there are plenty of those. Something is a necessity if we absolutely have to do something to survive. Yes we need food and clothing. But no we don’t have to murder trillions of animals for food or clothing. We are highly advanced and capable. With all the options we have, why would we continue to cause needless suffering?
@JustRoberto We’re at the top of the food chain and we have teeth and digestive system that’s adapted to being omnivores. Wether you value a human life and wild animal’s life the same is morally subjective.
@mind E I'm 100% against animal abuse and specific ways they kill animals.. but I'm not against eating my fish and meats. I hope vegans one day realize overpopulation is a real thing.
@JustRoberto this whole thread is dumb. I’m thinking of going vegan in the future but why does it matter if somebody likes meat or doesn’t like meat. just let them eat what they want
@JustRoberto the counter argument is that there is no such thing as objective moralism because moralism in itself is subjective; Veganism is just a different from of pragmatism and you can’t prove that one moral scale is more true or objectively correct than another one
@人間 I can just cite the position of the largest health health organisations such as the academy of nutrition and dietetics :- “It is the position of the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics that appropriately planned vegetarian, including vegan, diets are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and may provide health benefits for the prevention and treatment of certain diseases. These diets are appropriate for all stages of the life cycle, including pregnancy, lactation, infancy, childhood, adolescence, older adulthood, and for athletes. Plant-based diets are more environmentally sustainable than diets rich in animal products because they use fewer natural resources and are associated with much less environmental damage. Vegetarians and vegans are at reduced risk of certain health conditions, including ischemic heart disease, type 2 diabetes, hypertension, certain types of cancer, and obesity. Low intake of saturated fat and high intakes of vegetables, fruits, whole grains, legumes, soy products, nuts, and seeds (all rich in fiber and phytochemicals) are characteristics of vegetarian and vegan diets that produce lower total and low-density lipoprotein cholesterol levels and better serum glucose control. These factors contribute to reduction of chronic disease. Vegans need reliable sources of vitamin B-12, such as fortified foods or supplements.”
@mind E meat was made to be eaten, hunting is more humane than not because i.e deer will be killed by another animal that doesnt care if it suffers, and it definitely will suffer. shooting a deer in the head with a bullet will more than likely kill it quicker and therefore less pain endured by the deer, than some coyote chomping its legs off and not giving a damn because its an animal, it doesnt have thought capacity like that
@JustRoberto why compare humans to animals? what if you we're out in the wild out of nowhere starving and you had to do something to survive, what would you do?
@UCRTRnRbBXmGn7LN1lkNZQ7g it’s literally necessary for everyone dumb ass. You wouldn’t be wearing your clothes if an animal hadn’t got “slaughtered.” Boo hoo, circle of life. We’re all gonna die one day and it’s not guaranteed that it’s gonna be by age or something. There’s always a bigger predators
@JustRoberto we been killing animals since the beginning of time. Other animals kill each other all the time and we kill them to eat food like them and
Animals are alive I think humans hype are selves up to much but you can’t get everyone vegan and animals eat to but humans got to realize we are the most invasive species on the planet most destructive and is at the top of the food chain being one of the only species to eat any and everything I don’t mind but I feel like people have no right to call animals invasive or get mad and kill animals if they retaliate at a zoo or kill if an animal kills a human when we do it but worse
@Marshall we’ve been killing each other since the beginning of time and humans kill other humans.
See the fact we’ve been doing something for a period of time has no bearing on it being morally good, and again just because another animal does an action, doesn’t mean that action is morally good or bad.
You haven’t made a point you have just stated that we have done this for a long time and other animals do it, yeh and? That’s doesn’t mean we ought to continue needlessly exploiting and harming other animals.
@PingPongSammy humans are animals and we aren’t in a survival situation, when you go to a supermarket and you have a choice do you choose to harm another being or to choose a vegan option instead?
@Kreed2k you’ve never seen it happen because you haven’t don’t the research, most pesticides use happens in animal agriculture as most crops are grown to feed the animals people eat. So if you care about pesticides, being vegan is a reduction in this issue.
@JustRoberto 100 years ago you would of never survived or been very unhealthy being a vegan. You can't just go vegan and thats that. You have to take supplements for deficiencies. Guess what. If it wasn't for meat you wouldn't even have those supplements today. Meat is one of the main factors in how we evolved into the humans we are today. So without that you wouldn't even be able to have the option to be a vegan.
@JustRoberto Most crops aren't grown to feed livestock this is just the justification you use to convince yourself that vegan is the right choice. There is no evidence to support this claim.
Firstly, humans grown a huge variety of crops only a minority of these end up in the bellies of livestock. sugarcane, rice, potatoes, apples, avocados, tomatoes all the variety of nuts and legumes and many more.
Secondly, 86% of what livestock consume is inedidble waste/byproducts from the crops grown for human consumption.
Don't believe me on that figure? Google it, it's from an FAO study. I am unable to post links that leave YouTube.
@Kreed2k regardless, we still have to grow additional crops to feed to animals, that’s why 80%-90% of soya production from the Amazon rainforest is grown specifically for animal feed. So the point is we still use more pesticides when we eat animals also. And pesticides aren’t a necessity it’s just bad practice when profit is the main motive. Pesticides don’t make it morally okay to cause avoidable harm or to not reduce suffering.
@JustRoberto Soy that ends up in the bellies of livestock is first used to create soy oil which is consumed by humans. The byproduct of that oil production is soy meal which is the product that is fed to livestock.
Soy oil is about 3 times the price of soy meal by the way.
As I said previously, most of the crops that are grown aren't for livestock. A claim that they are isn't supported by evidence.
This is besides the point in any case, as soy is a small fraction of all the plants grown by humans.
Pesticides are necessary for good crop yields and to avoid waste.
It's likey that all of the plants that you consume have been sprayed with them and they result in a lot of death even if we igore the trillions of insects. You then have the birds that consume those insects. The small mammals such as mice and voles that happen to be on the fields when it is sprayed. Any animal that consume those easy to catch poisoned animals. The death goes all the way up the food chain. Then you have crop protection measures and the death from harvests.
@PingPongSammy basic economics, supply and demand, you buy an animal product and that creates more demand, like paying for a hit man. Did you watch the video at all?
@JustRoberto if people killed them without the animal feeling pain then I don’t see the issue, we have teeth that can bite through meat for a reason. Better than animals getting diseases and dying from those diseases, the farmers give the animals vaccines and generally the animals in decent places live a lot better than they would out in the open.
@JustRoberto saying that torturing animals is bad/evil is morally subjective; vegans are just pragmatist who give the lives of animals more value than non-vegans
@JustRoberto When there’s a choice not to? Many can not afford to go vegan, some can’t even get the correct supplements to sustain their bodies. Our ancestors managed to eat meat, that is why we’ve become more enhanced and smarter. Our brains have even increased in size. There is no such thing as right or wrong, good or bad, and any other bull shit concept humans have created (If you want to believe in it, then I could really care less. A fat majority of people believe in it when it will never apply to the world ITSELF). We’re in a world that circulates around a never ending cycle, we will never be able to eliminate the suffering of animals. Vegans tend to only focus on those in the grasp of humanity, every living organism matters. Not just cows, not just pigs, not just lambs, EVERYTHING. Even us. Now, let me ask this, what do you think of a lion killing an impala? Or an orca killing a shark and eating its liver? I’ve had few people tell me, “Dont compare to an animal.” Wake the fuck up, we’re all animals. All on equal grounds, all trying to survive. Kill or be killed, that’s the reality. However, if you’re vegan, then that’s absolutely great! I have no judgment on that. I just dislike the morals of those who stand against animal abuse, it’s not something for me to comprehend, but at the same time, it is so I can be more knowledgeable on the matter. However, don’t get me wrong, I also despise harming animals.
@JustRoberto that's not paying for hit man at all, i get your logic, but the people buying the meat aren't paying for anybody to kill other animals, people have been eating meat for years dude we're not paying anyone kill no animal jidion isn't paying no guy to go shoot an animals. humans we're made to eat meat, period. animals would eat us, we would eat them, no difference. case closed
@JustRoberto I’m not asserting any point on whether I think it’s right or not I’m just tired of seeing a vegan claim that their way is the righteous way. Because in the end veganism all has to do with opinions and for you to say your opinion is above someone else’s is just showing a superiority complex (in my opinion). Because I believe everybody’s opinions have the same objective value (except some special scenarios, in which veganism is not a part of)
@PingPongSammy case closed? No I don’t think so dude, when you buy animal products you create more demand for animals to be harmed, how else does the meat end up on the shelf? You pay for animals to be harmed and so does your YouTube prank hero
Also the length of time we’ve done something doesn’t make it right, we’ve been killing each other for ever also…
@mind E just cuz ur vegan doesn’t mean it’s wrong to kill animals, it is just the circle of life. Obviously I don’t think that animals should be tortured and locked in small cages but, just killing them in a quick and un painful way is not bad it’s just how life works. Simple
@Krwiomocz.Bogurodzicy Ⓥ your saying plants can’t breathe, also if we kill plants only then we would have an overpopulation of animal’s, our ecosystem would get messed up. And we would turn into sticks withought protein and the nutrients from meats that plants do not have, also, is there any bodybuilders who don’t eat meat? No, also animals would kill us and have to eat us due it over population would drive more animals to eat more stuff, making an ecosystem that is trash,
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@JustRobertodo you believe we should harm bacteria by washing our hands with soap when there’s an alternative to doing so? I don’t understand why my stance on the topic matters, why does me being vegan or not matter
@JustRoberto Huh? Did you not read my comment? Your question is not relevant to what I said, in fact it was already answered. Shall I rephrase what I said to fit my own perspective ? If so, then here you go. No, I do not have that choice as I’m a minor with no source of income. Supplements are worth 100’s of dollars. Nor do I choose to go that path, I’ve already dirtied my hands with the meat eaten from animals that died from humanity’s wrath. Or insects I’ve killed because I feared something so little, their life was taken. Or the flower I ripped out of its habitat. Those things would have died in vain if I just suddenly go vegan: those animals had to unwillingly give their source of existence to us. Here’s an example, a pedophile who’s raped kids has been set free. However, this pedophile is for some reason allowed back in to a neighborhood of an elementary school. (Of course he is on parol, but that doesn’t mean he can’t gain the ability to do it again.) He claims, “I’m making a change, I’ve realized that what I’ve done was wrong. I shouldn’t have done what I did.” So now this pedophile realizes his mistakes, but why did a poor child have to be sacrificed for his ignorance? Why does it take a crime for people to come to a realization? Why couldn’t people do so without sacrificing another organism. And even so, he was released back in to the neighborhood of an elementary school. Do you think he’s going to make the change? When he’s already dirtied his hands .. I am in no means trying to put these two in depth situation on similar grounds, they have their own pedestal. I’m just giving an example. Every organism is living, whether it feels pain or not, that’s not what matters. Every living thing attempts to play in the game of life and death, everyone is a player here. We all even share the same unwanted fate: death. There’s no turning back.
@Ephemeralxena so you believe it’s justified to exploit and torture non humans because you’ve always participated in doing so and because you’re not 18 yet and because you think a supplement costs more that a chunk of flesh? You can get b12 from fortified plant milks, marmite, nutritional yeast to name some sources. B12 is supplemented to the animals you eat, so why not just take the supplement directly?
Yeah, give a Lion a fruit salad everyday instead of juicy Gazelle meat, see how long it survives. We're omnivores, we were made to eat meat, vegetables, fruits and whatever is edible. Y'all acting like you wouldn't even crack an egg, yet most of you support a woman killing their child while they're in the womb.
While it is of course true that animals do eat other animals all the time in nature, basing our own ethics, as humans, on the actions of animals, can lead us to all sorts of problems. If we can justify something solely on the basis that animals do it, then we can justify the following: urinating in people's front gardens (dogs do it); sexually penetrating females without their consent (lions do it); smothering our babies to death (lions also do it); vomiting on people's food (flies do it); and so on. People only seem to be interested in justifying human behaviour on one thing that animals do, and that's eating animals.
2. "BUT WE'RE OMNIVORES / WE HAVE CANINE TEETH"
Having body parts that are simply capable of doing something does not mean that we should do it. To use an analogy, imagine if a man sexually assaulted someone, and then to justify his actions, pointed at his penis. Yes, humans can digest animal products, but why does that mean we should? Vegans are living proof that humans can live long, healthy lives without eating any animal products whatsoever, and they have the same biological makeup (teeth, etc.) of any non-vegan person, thus it is unnecessary to harm animals when there are alternatives.
With regards to the teeth, it turns out that our teeth are in no way carnivorous/omnivorous anyway. Humans have flat, blunt teeth, with a jaw capable of moving side to side, just like any herbivore. With regards specifically to our 2 pointy little teeth, these are commonplace in various species of herbivores, such as fruit bats, rhinos, hippos, gorillas, and musk deer (aka the sabre tooth deer), all of which have far larger, sharper canines than our 2 pathetic little apple-crunchers that are completely incapable of even tearing through a pillow, let alone someone's flesh and bone.
If humans even had a single omnivorous instinct, the animal rights movement wouldn't even exist because we'd be too busy drooling over slaughterhouse footage to even care. Rather, when we see slaughter footage, we are repulsed by it. A true omnivore or carnivore would salivate or get hungry.
@JustRoberto Jesus, here we go. No, I do not think it’s okay dammit, stop shoving words in my damn mouth. Torture is torture. Death is death. I’m talking about the physics behind death, not torture. They’re on two different levels and carry their own definitions, so don’t start. And that’s not the only vitamin/supplement I’d have to ingest, if you want me to provide a whole list of what I would need and the correct dosage: then I will gladly do so. I do not justify torturing a, “Non human.” (They’re animals, you don’t have to clarify them as non-humans. We’re animals to.) Forgive me if I implied it, I can’t put down every single thing that I believe in, therefore you might have misunderstood me. I just don’t have the time nor money to invest myself in becoming vegan, I have school, college, and getting a job to worry about. And even if this plan of mine would work: the clothes I wear, the shoes I wear, and every piece of accessory I have contains the tears of those who worked hard to make it. There’s just so much to explain, and I can’t explain my whole morals in just one comment. Everyone is suffering, you, me, the animals kept in zoos, a bearded dragon who has a metabolic bone disease, the bird that passed away due to heat exhaustion, and the animals who’re killed for humanity’s own benefit. I can’t do anything about it, nothing, I’m just someone who’s living their life. Not in a positive way, I mean I’m literally trying to live through my circumstances. My apologies if I offended you.
@Ephemeralxena you can do something though, you can purchase plant based foods instead which are cheaper if you stick to things like lentils, beans, tofu, chickpea, rice, potatoes, apples, bananas, oats, pasta, carrots, pears, peas etc. Then you could by clothes that aren’t first hand animal based clothes like fur, leather etc. Everyone is recommended to take a b12 supplement in the USA 30-40% of people are deficient in b12, it’s not a vegan issue that’s just misinformation. B12 is supplemented to animals in their feed as they also have the same issue we do. The science literature is clear on plant based diets, they’re healthier and more environmentally friendly. You just gotta spend some time relearning as you haven’t been taught this information. Animals don’t deserve to have their rights violated for a burger.
@Carlos Castillejo we’re not lions, we don’t need to systematically exploit other beings for food, clothing or entertainment etc. Fruit salad isn’t the only option also. You can still eat all the same food but the vegan version.
@JustRoberto Yes, I am aware of all those foods. I am a person who is fed a variety of categories, but I’ll say it again, I can’t do anything. I’m a minor and am close to graduation, in which I have my own worries since I’m wrapped up in society just like everyone else. Animals don’t have rights, we can’t apply our way of thinking to them .. realistically speaking, humans don’t either. Creating rights, the U.S amendments for example, are nothing but to keep “peace.” So people don’t have to live in fear and experience real terror, they were made. If humans didn’t produce morals and a way of communication, we wouldn’t be sitting here having a debate. We’d be quite similar to our other neighboring in habitants, but instead we have the ability to empathize. Which to each their own when deciding if it’s good or bad thing. I don’t plan on changing, I’m already set on my current enjoyments of food, it was engraved in my head since I was born. I can’t make a change, there will still be other animals dying and suffering, I’m sorry if I can’t agree with your morality and jurisdiction. I don’t believe in any concept such as good or bad, right or wrong. Personally, I’d rather try protesting to our authorities to stop expanding farms and reduce the amount of meat production. Or produce a sanctuary where I can help as much as I can. But it will never be enough, making a small plot of land for a sanctuary will never save everyone in need. Its practically me attempting to pity them because they’re suffering, because they’re dying. I’m trying my best to explain this, sorry if I leave anything out. I will take a deeper look in to whatever would help me better understand those who wish to go plant based, As someone who finds everyone on equal grounds, despite having a hierarchy, I’m proud that you’re arguing for what seems right to you. So, if it makes this situation any better, since I’m a meat eater, I have come to always welcome the thought of dying by any means necessary. If I were to be kidnapped, raped, and brutally murdered: I’m fine with it. If I were to be killed in a car crash, that’s great. If I were to be shot, that’s fine to. I want to repay with my own life, I want to experience the suffering those who died for me. For I will finally be equal with those that died for humanity’s sake.
Omar OMAR why can we get mad it’s the circle of life animals need to eat too there alive with a brain and a caunsis so we kill animals to eat and abs the other way around that’s how life works but killing for fungi don’t think is the same
@mind E ok then be consistent with your logic you hypocrite.
Do you need a phone to survive? (A phone that required caves being built which took the homeland of animals and killed them) Do you need the roof over your head(you could live in nature and take up way less materials using a tent or something so saving more ecosystems) Do you need to go to school to learn English?(Schools are buildings which were once land where animals lived)
See how your logic is flawed and how much of a hypocrite you are being by using that logic. You can’t pick and choose. Why is it fine for you to destroy habitats with the roof Over your head but not fine for someone to eat meat from an animal killed in a factory?
@mind E nah its definitely necessary. not everyone likes the disgusting taste of chemically altered plant meats, and whats necessary is for people to eat. Some people are more sensitive in taste and simply cant eat things that taste like trash, and thus it is obviously necessary to have normal meat. You dont get to decide whats necessary at all for people. You're ignorant
@mind E tf? Ur asking us to take it seriously whilst you’re insulting the fact that we are eating meat? I’m not respecting your opinion if you’re not respecting mine. Also, it’s literally how we’re made. Humans were created to eat and hunt animals for meat. Just because we found a more efficient and actually quite a lot of the time more humane way to do it doesn’t mean we’re monsters? It means we’re smart and living up to the potential that we were made to live up to. Don’t get me wrong, eat whatever the fuck you wanna eat I couldnt care less, and I won’t abuse you if I see you eating a vegan meal, but if you’re out here telling us we are wrong and need to change our opinions on how we eat, that’s fucked up. Mind your business and keep your opinions, diet, lifestyle, etc to yourself because it’s joy the only one out there.
@JustRoberto the “other options” are twice as expensive & half as nutritious, so yes, it is a necessity for a lot of us. Have fun with your morally superior & expensive lifestyle, lets see who actually makes it to 100.
When veganism is a matter of animal "abuse", the argument falls apart completely for me. That is because "abuse" quite literally means to misused or mishandled. But if you're a Christian, then you believe God granted humans reign over animals (i.e. use them for food, etc.) so in your eyes, it would not be animal "abuse". There's no misuse, you are using animals as they were intended.
Yes in theory but in practice we have an industry that actually creates an artificial shortage to keep prices up thus overstocking product which eventually expire therefore creating waste, we never in history were able to produce so much food so efficiently yet over 30% ends up directly discarded into locked dumpsters to keep it from people in need to consume it. Paradoxically the abundance of food (bad quality one) helped billions of people from starvation yet mortality rate hasn't decreased, instead people die from diseases associated with obesity and unhealthy diets
Honestly, God gave us dominion over the animals, and in my opinion, we should use them for food and other animal products BUT, we need to be fair "rulers" and treat them with some respect in the process.
Bruh, “there’s no misuse” uhhhhhhh no there is… you are just ignorant and haven’t done your research… we are in Babylonian times these animals are mass tortured, they aren’t respected at all. Some of them never see the light of day their entire lives. What goes on with animal killing today goes very much again God.
EliteAthlete15 i agree with you, i never saw the idea of animals shouldn't be killed for food as a valid argument because that's what humans have been doing for thousands of years, the only difference now is a lot of times animals are raised and killed in a more industrialized way. a lot of people have a problem with that but for me meat is meat lol
Most mammals are carnivores vegans are dumbs humans aren’t the only one eating other animals. If he came across a big ass tiger it’s gonna eat him not the pretty flower next to him
@boredom Be careful appealing to normality. Lots of things that we've done for thousands of years that are outdated.
I understand more of the vegan position. We don't live in times where we have to slaughter animals to eat. I'm not a vegan, however they do make compelling arguments if you want to look toward the future.
@Chaz Clemons most of them wouldn’t be alive without us. Animals like cows and pigs are so domesticated that they would be viciously killed by something else immediately if humans released them. So as long as it ain’t dying in an inhumane way, I don’t mind.
no he aint animals eat animals its how the world works plants feel too they develop defenses to stop themselves from gettin eaten etc n ion care about "we dont need to eat meat" we dont need to do 99% of the things we do as humans but we do ppl needa get over themselves
EliteAthlete15 Imagine comparing us humans to wild animals. Shall we all just go back to caveman ways with your logic? We aren't cavemen anymore, we don't need meat to survive, other animals do. There is plenty of documentaries and scientific studies that show that eating meat is wrong and that the practices are in no way shape or form healthy for us other than you wanting to get "protein" from one thing out of millions. And this is coming from a meat eater, but atleast I can acknowledge this and admit to it. Force breeding, metal and other scraps that animals pick up during their lifetime and from factory/slaughter house workers being included in the meat we get and allowed through the FDA is not healthy at all. You're using a argument from the bible that "animals are meant to be eaten", slave owners used that same argument at a time and thought that black people were on earth to serve them and be used. You're not woke by blatantly using natural selection in the wrong manner either.
@Eddy Are you saying that forcibly breeding them and chopping their heads off isn't inhumane? Not to mention killing them if they are born the wrong gender. Does inhumane even apply to animals? Cycle of life.
@Chaz Clemons You sound stupid. What do you think the circle of life is? Or the food cycle? The saying "animals are meant to be eaten" came from the bible and saying that people used to combat veganism. If we're using credits from the bible, the bible also says that rape is justifiable and okay. It also says that enslaving people is okay and that slaves should obey their master at all costs.
@guap k gang I’m finna be 100% wit u, Idc bout none of ts nomo if u vegan be that idgaf bout that shit bruh all Ik is I eat meat. My family hunts for dear meat we once raised pigs for pig meat and shit like that. Food is food regardless and food is a survival method, could we all stop eating meat and eat plants? Yes we could but not everyone wants to, that doesn’t mean we are wrong for eating meat. In science class you learn that plants live just like animals and humans, if that’s the case aren’t plants being grown by farmers in a controlled area similar to how animals are raised in a controlled area. Just cuz plants don’t make sounds doesn’t mean they don’t have any type of personality right? Cuz shit I don’t know if they do or don’t I’m just giving you scenarios so u can understand how wrong you are and how wrong I might be. Neither side is right so why do vegans try to overdo shit. Eat ur veggies in peace instead of trying to push that shit.
@D Chris I’m not vegan, but that argument isn’t good. What humans do to animals is the equivalent of a mass genocide. Obviously There’s no other animals killing other animals at the massive extent that we do.
@The Council you do realise spices comes from plants right, vegetables can also help change the flavour of the food + it also provides many other nutritions
EliteAthlete15 There’s nothing wrong with an “emotional” argument if both people agree on that argument (that killing animals/torture/anything else he brought up is bad/unethical). If I go around kicking babies am I good because anyone who criticizes just emotional?
Also depends on the premise and there wasn’t one premise, they just discussed things. One main point was whether or not what jidion is fucked up/disrespectful and emotions are 100% important when you’re discussing that.
This comment really makes no sense lmao, its just a way for you to shove in your common talking point “killing animals isn’t bad because etc” which people can agree and disagree on, but that doesn’t mean he’s arguing badly because its emotional. If he and Jidion (not you) both agree that something is unethical then you go from there. I’m just repeating myself at this point because I don’t see how 76 people thought your comment made any logical sense.
EliteAthlete15 I didn’t bring up babies to argue whether or not kicking babies is bad, I brought it up to point our that your definition for bad discussion is literally wrong. People liked your comment because they agree that they don’t care about what happens to animals, but your nonsense about “its an emotional argument” is stupid. How do you think laws are made? How do people decide what is right and what is wrong?
And this still doesn’t change the fact that when talking about if what he did is fucked up (which is the main purpose for their discussion in the first place) talking about emotions is very necessary.
But ignore that and start talking about how kicking babies is “clearly unethical” because you don’t want to accept the fact that your bs about emotional arguments makes no sense.
EliteAthlete15 bro idk why my comment sounded so hostile but don’t take it the wrong way, I just disagree with you. It’s very important to talk about emotions on a discussion like this about whether something is ethical. Definitely if you’re also talking about whether or not he disrespected people, but also when you’re talking about veganism.
If you think animals dying in harsh ways (or whatever arguments he brought up) doesn’t matter, that’s fine. But if its a conversation about whats ethical, and jidion + the guy both agree that its fucked up, then there’s nothing wrong with that discussion. Even people who eat meat can agree that the conditions they live and die in is fucked up, thats why a lot of them make the argument “we’re not torturing them, its just one clean cut” and other similar stuff.
EliteAthlete15 So you just contradicted yourself. You tell me not to discredit the bible and then go on to discredit the bible yourself by now following those that you preach about? You just wrote 2 paragraphs repeating the same thing, and not once did you bring up a source or actually address my message with a counter point, which makes me believe you're no older than 16. Nobody said Jesus wasn't real, moron. Lmao, I'm a Christian myself. My point is, meat eaters can't use the defense "animals were put on earth to be eaten, supported by the bible", and then go on to not acknowledge that same mentality with rape and enslaving people in the bible. Grow up.
EliteAthlete15 you do realize that animals are bred and raised in terrible abusive conditions just to be slaughtered. It’s not natural what the meat industry does. They genetically modify animals and breed them with the purpose to live a short life in terrible conditions to be killed for consumption. It’s not a natural cycle.
EliteAthlete15 but most are, unless you’re eating locally raised. But the point is we over consume meat and animal products as a society so the meat industry capitalizes on that by creating these massive disgusting slaughter houses. If we stop over consuming animal product then eventually these places will go away. We have an overpopulation of animals because of the slaughter houses anyways. It’s not healthy for our planet as well.
EliteAthlete15 although I dont like your argument, was being a bit of a liar. He said “animals are shot in the head and get their throats slit” but in reality it is the most humane way possible and they dont feel a thing, and the throat is slit once its dead so its not like its still alive
@Zentomaster you* don't live in times where animal slaughter is necessary. In the US theres 300 million people, a good percentage of ehich fall under the poverty line. And that's just the U.S, globally it's just a fact of life that slaughterhouses exist for our consumption. I understand the morality behind the vegan movement but it's being done in the wrong way, even if 100% of the U.S population went vegan, alond with 100% of the EU, there'd still be billions of people waiting to eat. Not to mention, if people were successful to even a quarter of these percentages than all it'd do is make life for the animals worse, as the business owners won't put as much money into the animals quality of life. What should be done is instead a demand for regulation through law and to instead raise awareness on certain companies and use cancel culture for that. Boycott specific comlanies, not your daily diet.
@Juh I'm not a vegan, and don't really subscribe to a lot of their viewpoints. Then again, I'm not versed in this debate anyway. I do agree with you; but I will say that my comment was never meant to be taken literally. I was just establishing our advancement in technology in creating vegan alternatives. I apologize for any confusion.
both sides had good points and arguments ngl. also gotta respect how both sides took everything seriously without stirring the pot to something bigger and starting issues
@Veganix matching dietary needs of humans to continue life, is part of life. just like the regular food chain. just like humans, animals kill other animals in order to eat.
Dababy? JiDion is not Dababy he's well respected and loved as always don't care what other says big love for ya man you always brings the entertainment in i love it keep it up man 😁👍👍👍
Vegan dude was pretty cool but he didn't understand that when Jidion was talking about belief he was not talking as if there wasn't animals being killed, he was actually saying that his(Jidion's) belief was that for him it isn't morally wrong to kill those animals for food.
It was. I’m not even vegan but I don’t like how JiDion wasn’t listening to the guy’s point about modernizing the Bible.
He’s right, there are many things in the Bible that its followers do not follow literally. Its justification of slavery is a good example, but instead JiDion just goes “uuuuhh beliefs whatever”.
And slaughterhouses AREN’T in the Bible. The act of sacrificing a lamb is not comparable to the massive size cruelty slaughter houses commit. You guys realize there are humane ways to eat animals right? That is not was slaughter houses do, which is the problem.
As a Christian, I just want to say real quick that it’s important to remember the context of scripture and that the definition of slavery in biblical times is FAR different than how we know it in a modern understanding. That’s all I wanted to say. God bless 💜
Yea the slavery the Bible mentioned is not the same as the slavery we had here in the United States about racism . It’s another form to slavery. Like Indentured servitude
@HighScore47 definitely a better way of thinking about it. Slavery in biblical times was very much focused on a strong relationship between servant and master. It was often thought of to be a joy when you were a “slave”. You were kept and fed well, often with a reward at the end of your tenure
@iHoosier4 What about the Jew slaves ancient Egypt had in the Old Testament? To my knowledge, they weren't in joy or handed a reward at the end of their tenure. Were there different kind of ''slaves''? If so, was the Bible approving only some types of ''slavery''?
@About Time good question. I’ll preface with the fact that I do not know all the answers. However, the slavery that the Bible “condones”, if you will, had a sort of blessing from God. It was a relationship built on faith with both parties invested in their faith. However, when Egypt enslaved the Jews, this was an example of evil coming into play. This was the work of man and not the slave relationship that God had intended, just like slavery that was built on racism. Egypt had a very oppressive rule and it wasn’t until Moses that they, the Jews, were led out of that rule. I encourage you to do your own research on the topic!
The damn Bible does allow slavery, sanctions it and sets its rules. You get to beat your slave and won't suffer consequences if they don't die in 3 days. You get to keep your Jewish slaves wives and children if the husband is freed etc. The Bible is a screwed up book written by people who lived totally different than what the world is today. Their norms would be considered barbaric today.
@Figaro Figaro His argument where the Bible justifys slavery is incorrect. Bible protected slaves. Slavery was way different back then, lemme explain. Back then people became slaves of there own free will because they would be provided shelter a place to stay, food etc, so people became slaves of there own free will, the Bible never once said go make someone a slave against there will. The Bible protected slaves from death and things like that. You can’t take the Bible out of context. So the Bible never justified bad slavery, it justified good slavery and I’ll explain one more time, people became slaves of there own free will back then yes some people forced people as slaves but they were disobeying God because God never said go make someone ur slave without there consent. So the Bible encouraged good slavery where the slaves were protected not encourage bad slavery where the slaves could be killed. I’ll say it one more time, people signed a contract of there own free will to become a slave And in return they would recive shelter food etc. God protected slaves from death and things like that with his rules on slavery.
@ttoys Customs you said that God never said to go make someone your slave without consent. Explain numbers 31:17-18 where Moses supposedly said to take the little girls as sex slaves. The verse doesn’t specify say slaves but you don’t have to be a rocket scientist to know what’s going on. Why are little girls being allowed to be taken by the men?
@That guy you are trying to put two and two together, but that isn’t how the chapters before it went. Previously the children of Israel went to the promised land. The midianite where told that the land in front of them was part of the moabites and to go around, but the midianites wanted to go and have a holy war with them, because a physical war would be difficult to win. So they told the women to do it with the men of Israel to go back on their believes. Than later on Moses said to them: “kill all the boys and women who slept with a man but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man” so you just picked it out of context.
@That guy Numbers 31:17 reads as follows “Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.” Idk WHAT version you’re reading that mentions slavery.
@Michael Manso ok no problem. You claimed I didn’t contextualize the situation and you were just presented with the opportunity to do so. How does that in any way discredit what I said or even refute what I said? I responded to a specific point of someone where they claimed that God never said to go make someone you slave without their consent and brought a clear passage were this was the case. You didn’t refute what I said you just “contextualized” it yet the fact still remains and those little girls were taken kn without their consent
@sbright21 as I stated it doesn’t have to say slavery to actually be slavery. Let’s look at the definition of a slave according to the Martian Webster dictionary. “Slave: : a person held in forced servitude”. If keeping “the young ones for yourself” isn’t forced servitude then I don’t know what is. They were clearly sex slaves
@Michael Manso Imagine saying someone is taking a Bible verse out of context. When in real historical context there is no evidence of a Jesus ever existing or any of these stories being substantiated. The Bible in its word approves of enslaving young female virgins to rape and killed their families, which is genocide.
@Figaro Figaro nope. All I’m saying is that it is important to remember the context and that the meaning of slavery in biblical times versus how we understand it today is different. I never once said I support slavery, in fact I’m strongly opposed, especially in our modern understanding. You’re putting words in my mouth
Void listen to history bro, this is litteraly how it was back then you just wanna deny it, people became slaves of there own free will for free shelter and food and house etc, not every single slave owner is bad there is a lot of slave owners who treated there slaves as family. People signed up to be slaves
Void I’m not sugar coating it. Slavery was different in biblical times. People often wanted to be in slavery willingly, signing contracts and being given food and a place to stay. They were released after a certain period of time, with a reward at the end. The relationship was entirely different. I’m not justifying slavery, especially not slavery in our modern understanding. Simply pointing out that it’s important to remember the context
@Figaro Figaro That in the bible, but that the Torah (a Jewish scripture) in the Old Testament you talking about NOT the Gospel (a Christian scripture) in the New Testament, of which Christians have to or suppose to follow the Gospel NOT the Torah!
What JiDion needed to say is that yes - it is a FACT that animals are dying, but whether that’s wrong or not is a BELIEF just like the other dude denied it was.
I happen to agree with him that it’s fucked up, but he’s still wrong about it not being a belief
At least the animals could roam freely, play around, and live in peace until the day they never knew was coming. But those poor plants they were tortured confined to the little bit of ground they have with the sole purpose of being eaten. They had it worse, at least the animals did experience some happy moments.
Could of put up a way better argument though. Every once in a while I get into it with my siblings. My one sister decided to go vegan like 12 years ago when she was 12 after seeing some video of a slaughterhouse and all that. She said she did it for the animals at that time.
At the time I was like good for her. If she can do it andnit makes her happy so be it. She then convinced my other sister and one brother to go vegan as well a few years later.
But then it was like a cult or some crazy group. I would hear her watching videos saying how us meat eaters have been brainwashed and blah blah blah. Like it was some crazy shit.
So then I decided to start a discussion one night. It made me angry because they try to make me feel like a terrible person and crazy because I eat meat. I didn't do that to them when they went vegan. I just said you do you.
But my brother had a little more to say and said he does it for the future of society. Not just because he doesn't want animals harmed. But he told me that slaughterhouses and the like make up for a very large part of the pollution problem we face.
I honestly didn't know that and I looked it up and saw it was true. So it was a decent argument but I said why because of your belief is it ok to put me down and make me feel like a terrible person which he had no real answer.
I also said I mean our bodies were meant to eat meat. Vegans can't just be vegan and live a healthy life. They have to take all kind of supplements to make up for the deficiencies they have BECAUSE they don't eat any meat. So why if we were born and our bodies were meant to eat meat is it wrong?
It just baffles me because like you said. A lot of them are crazy and go to far and think just because they have a good cause its ok. Just do your part and do what you think is right and let the rest of us live our life. And only because of science, technology and knowledge are they even able to have so many vegan choices. If we went back 100 years I'd love to see them survive without eating any meat.
I meant meat farms and meat processing plants cause a lot of pollution. The slaughterhouses send dangerous waste into the water affecting aquatic life and other things*
Yeah I got some crazy ass family like that too best thing I do is ignore them cus they lack the ability to listen once they're at that point. Nice story bro.
okay slaughterhouses cause pollution okay and? At this point in society name something that majority of humans benefit from that DOESN'T cause pollution. Automobiles cause pollution but without them production in society will slow down to crazy lows since peoples' commutes will be crazy long.
Cows fart out methane gas that is 23 TIMES more damaging to climate than carbon dioxide from cars. Shit, if our ancestors never ate meat we'd still be throwing spears and living in caves because the meat from animals helped develop our brains to the point we're able to live a society of such technological advancement in the first place. Yep thats right the same vegans calling us crazy and bashing us because we don't fall into their weird ass cult culture are enjoying the technology of today because their ancestors ATE MEAT.
Humans are OMNIVORES. We need meat just as we need vegetables and plant based foods. A diet with no meat makes for a weak human
Their decision to be vegan isn’t based off of a “belief”. Beliefs can be true or false. It is a FACT that eating meat is (1) cruel and (2) harmful to the environment. They aren’t causing harm unlike you are. Technically you are a terrible person for eating meat lol. I’m not saying this because I’m vegan, I eat meat and fish myself, I’m just saying it how it is. It wasn’t wrong to eat meat in the past because it all comes down to today’s overpopulation and extremely high demand of meat. Nobody is forcing anybody to be vegan. They are however opening your eyes to the damage you cause by choosing to eat meat.
Our bodies were not meant to eat meat. Not like you see apes or monkeys go around eating meat and stuff. The only reason people back then ate meat was to gain the nutrients from that animal that the animal gained from eating inedible things like grass and such. The native Americans ate the Buffalo in high amounts because the Buffalo ate stuff they could not eat and they ate the Buffalo in turn to gain the nutrients the Buffalo has. All nutrients that we can find in animals we can find in plants and their products. The only reason we eat meat now is because of recipes made by our ancestors to make the meat taste better and we passed those recipes down to now as tradition. I’m not really considered vegan but I do eat a lot more plants than I do animals due to the health precautions meat has. I only eat meat for family gatherings and large events tbh.
they dont need that many supplements as long as they're eating properly and some vegans are extreme af but there will always be those people. there are meat lovers who are extreme af and there are many people with different beliefs who are extreme af. veganism is more healthy, i just couldn't do it myself.
Go on the american dietetic association and look what they say about the vegan diet. It is healthy for all stages of life and can lower risk of some cancers. This is based on alot of peer reviewed studies and meta analysis.
@Hansel Carmona Technically we're terrible for eating meat....? Tf does that even mean. So every human to ever exist is terrible because at one point in everyone's life they ate the flesh of another animal. Dumb logic.
@Cain Magnetic I literally never said ANY of that lmao. Mfs rlly like to twist my words Nd shit 🤦🏻♂️. Humans of the past weren’t mass murdering animals in unethical ways and destroying the planet in the process. Animal farming is the cause for 14.5 percent of all greenhouse gases in the atmosphere m.
@Hansel Carmona Obviously humans back then werent advanced enough to process meat en mass as we do today, duh. The original point was that we wouldn't be as developed of a species in the first place if it wasnt for the consumption of meat and that is SCIENTIFIC FACT. It is NOT a fact that eating meat is cruel that is YOUR BELIEF. A fact is something that is indefinitely 100% true. An opinion like "eating meat is cruel" is NOT A FACT.
That being said, you deny you called people terrible for eating meat but then all you have to do is scroll up and see your original reply which you did in FACT say, and I quote, "Technically you are a terrible person for eating meat lol."
The belief that a vegan lifestyle is better for the world is just that. A belief. Not a fact just your personal belief. Eating meat has its benefits on the human body and is just as essential to your physical body just as plant based foods.
@Cain Magnetic you’re so ignorant bro lmao. Please explain to me how slaughtering animals in the most Inhumane ways possible isn’t animal cruelty. Like… you’re making no sense at all. It’s not just a belief that eating vegan is better for the world because animal agriculture is the cause for about 14.5% of all green house gases in the atmosphere. Eating vegan is the most efficient way for an individual to reduce their carbon footprint. Nobody is stopping you from eating meet. Just say u don’t care about animals and you don’t care about climate change 🤦🏻♂️ It’s not that hard to do
I'm a meat eater but I'd be lying if I didn't consider giving it up every now and then. It sucks that its the best thing to gain muscle with and be allround healthy
its kind of sad that this is the highest level of fire content he could put up. Like his videos aren't getting better which means they have reached got tier level videos
Lmaooo bro look I’m vegan and I’m not gonna sit here and judge somebody else’s preference of food because it’s not effecting me but bro just know that shit isn’t going in my body 🤷🏾♂️😂 this shit was guts tho
I understand a vegans POV but the same thing goes for lions in the wild, they viciously tear apart zebras etc. Another example can be snakes and the buying and selling of rats. My snake isn’t gonna become vegan… Meat is a need for human diet in many reasons
Thats not the same. If we only ate the meat necessary it would be different imo but we breed the animals only to have them live in cages, pumped with chemicals and to eat them. Its really cruel. Also as the meat industry grows they keep making more space for it and thats one of the main causes of climate change. If people only ate the meat needed naturally then it would be fine but its not that way. I dont think eating meat is bad but in this comment section it seems like everybody is really close minded and that nobody even understands why its wrong. I think its partially because we don’t want to admit to ourselves we’re doing harm so it’s easier to shift blame.
@Max Zettinig I understand where your coming from I try to be as open minded as possible. But what your arguing is more of an animal cruelty problem then an actual vegan and meat consumption and yes I understand it has turned into this big industry but at the same time, like my snake example, the same thing is being done to these rats but we aren’t gonna make snakes Vegan
@Max Zettinig the meat industry isn't one of the main causes for climate change alone it's the food industry in itself both meats and plants need to be imported from where they're produced to stores around the world, releasing greenhouse gases and then when the food comes to your plate let's say you bought 5 kgs of food, and you only ate 3 kgs of that food now the remaining 2 kgs are going to decompose and release greenhouse gases. When a cow burps or pisses that would usually be reused by nature in some way but of course if its in high emissions it does cause problems, but these issues aren't found in just the meat industry the plant industry is a problem for the planet just as much for example how avocados farms in Chile (avocados being a fruit that is only around because we humans keep it around there's no native animal in the tropical America that is capable of eating them and spread their seeds) destroy the environment by draining most of the water from the surrounding rivers with illegal pipes. All that said I do agree that its horrible how animals suffer in slaughterhouses but going vegan isn't going to help with climate change or stop us from making animals suffer since plants require lots of water, situations like what's going on in Chile would become more common around the world, and you also have to factor in that not all land can be used to grow consumable plants on contrary to animals that have way less restrictions when it comes to where they can live, and they don't eat the same plants as we do so their food isn't being farm where ours could be, so it's not realistic to have all humans eating plants without making more farms which would mean that deforestation would be needed to open up space for them and that doesn't guarantee that there would be enough food for all of us. For us to live in the masses that we do, we have to make animals suffer one way or another.
We don’t have the same moral responsibilities as snakes, if there is a more moral solution such as not eating meat when you have the choice to avoid animal suffering, it should be taken
If snakes were as intelligent and interpretive they’d be held to the same standard, but we understand they are strictly instinctive creatures
The vegan guy was intelligent and is a nice guy. Well done by him. JiDion got pretty defensive in this one. Actually keep an open mind because the vegan made good points.
I've been watching you for some time, you've just become one of my favorite influencers! God bless you bro, this is amazing! Give these people an inch they take a mile and you ain't give em a single inch.
JiDion legend!! What a great conversation with David and what a great video this one 💥💥 Thanks for admitting the mistake of bringing actual body parts to the restaurants. And thanks guys for including my comment on the phone hahaha 😂❤️
nah bro I feel like this man just saying anything to be right, jidion is bringing up valid rebuttals and his only reply 8 minutes in is "but what im saying is the truth"
That vegan dude kinda annoyed me to be honest some of the things he said where just wrong but I do still respect him he took a prank well and he seems like a good person who wants to help.
Just cause he’s not eating meat, that’s not stopping the slaughterhouses . If he actually wants to save animals that’s not the way to do it, he makes himself sound self righteous just cause he doesn’t eat meat.
@Heavens Pace oh yeah for sure If I’m speaking in my opinion most vegans really only do it to feel better about themselves or make them think they morally better, but in the end it’s there life idc enough
Love when someone responds in good spirits. I completely agree. I could never give up meat cause I feel it is a crucial part of my survival but more power to all the vegans who can function on plant based material
Jidion makes a great point and he says I do think it’s fucked up to kill animals but you also have to think about if they were us they would do the same thing because eating is an instinct of survival and you need some things that meat provides also to the fact that if we didn’t animals are more than likely to overpopulate
Jim Bob2021-12-08 12:24:13 (edited 2021-12-08 12:24:28 )
I went into a discord server with open speaking to ask questions about vegans and I asked if cow sweat is vegan and if sucking toes was vegan since toes are meat
As a good friend of David Ramms and a fellow “extremist insane” vegan activist, I will say that was good ass prank lmao. But JiDion, referring to the mini debate you had with David, I have to say that the problem with appealing to religion to justify the mistreatment of others is that your religion could theoretically say anything. If “God says it’s fine” is the justification being used to mistreat animals, what logically follows from that is you accepting anything God says as moral, as moral. So if god came out tomorrow and was like “kicking dogs is all good”, you’d have to accept that. This kind of position also puts you in no position to argue against other people from other religions justifying violence with their religion, because that’s exactly what you’re doing. Unsure if this is a position you want to hold bro lol. Aside from this, you’re funny asf.
Yo question...do you know how many other things you kill by being vegan? Do you know that you kill more than you save statistically? Did you know that if we didnt hunt deer populations the ecosystem would suffer killing magnitudes more? Also this one is a bit of a stretch, but who are you to say that plants dont have feelings? What if they do and we just dont have the means to observe the expression of it? Would you stop eating plants then? Would you become a breathitarian?
@Zen Rhys if you saw me kicking a puppy to death and told me to stop, and I replied "well it's a bit of a stretch, but how do you know plants don't feel pain?" would you accept that logic or would you tell me to stfu and stop hurting the puppy?
@anthonydude also it should be noted that i said "veganism kills more than it saves". Not that eating plants kills more animals than eating plants and animals.
@Zen Rhys oh so there are no studies? That's a post from a 'carnivore' blog with zero references. The logic that eating a cow kills fewer animals than eating plants ignores the fact that cows are fed plants. HUGE quantities of plants, in fact. Curious though - if it turned out that eating only plants killed far fewer animals than eating plants and animals, would you stop eating animals? It doesn't seem like you would... In which case, it would be far more intellectually honest of you if you just said "I don't really care about hurting animals, I just like the taste of meat too much"
@anthonydude nah heres the honest truth. As a human, i was designed to eat both plants, animals, and most things in between. And i like to run on 100% efficiency, and eating meat allows me to do so.
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Zen Rhys2021-08-18 21:23:26 (edited 2021-08-18 21:24:25 )
@anthonydude Another thing. You shouldnt be protesting me eating meat. You should be going after those damn lions. They eat more meat in a week than I do in a month!! Damn cats should be vegan 😡. Cant believe they could kill a water buffalo with no remorse 😭
@Zen Rhys so if you found out that you could be fit and healthy without having to eat animals, you'd stop? Perhaps you're not being honest with yourself either, but you're certainly not being honest with me
@Zen Rhys your definition of 'protesting' is a bit unusual. As I'm sure you know, lions are obligate carnivores so they have to eat animals to survive, whereas humans are omnivores and can thrive without eating animals. Lions also lack the capacity for moral reasoning so are therefore not moral agents. Animals rape each other too - would you use that fact to justify raping someone? Finally, lions don't understand English so there wouldn't be much point 'protesting' their behaviour. But hypothetically, if there was a sub-species of omnivorous lions with the capacity for moral reasoning who understood English, I would definitely encourage them not to kill antelopes.
@Zen Rhys you can reach that 100% efficiency with a plant based or a vegetarian diet. But with all sorts of diets you have to be very aware of what you are eating and be very careful to reach those 100% because it’s almost impossible because we often don’t realise how much sugar for example is in certain products. Just do some research and you will find out that you can easily reach those 100% you were talking about with no meat.
@Jennifer “Nothing really compares to beef, lamb, pork, and dairy – these products are in a league of their own in the level of damage they typically do to the environment, on almost every environmental issue we track,” says Joseph Poore, a researcher at the University of Oxford who studies the environmental impacts of food. “But it’s essential to be mindful about everything we consume: air-transported fruit and veg can create more greenhouse gas emissions per kilogram than poultry meat, for example."
Did you even read the article? Repeatedly it says animals product's cause massive environmental impact.
It also says IMPORTED fruit and veg CAN cause more greenhouse emissions. Wanna know how to fix that? Don't buy imported fruit and veg. Eat fruit and veg that is in season.
@Jennifer are you purposely being ironic or did you completely misunderstand that article? It's saying not ALL plant-based products are environmentally friendly. Well yeah, no shit Sherlock. It also states that "Even the “greenest” sources of meat still produce more greenhouse gases than plant-based proteins."
I presume you're familiar with the Oxford University study of almost 40,000 farms in 119 countries, published in the journal Science, which found that "without meat and dairy consumption, global farmland use could be reduced by more than 75% – an area equivalent to the US, China, European Union and Australia combined – and still feed the world." The author of the study concluded that “A vegan diet is probably the single biggest way to reduce your impact on planet Earth, not just greenhouse gases, but global acidification, eutrophication, land use and water use.”
In any case, veganism isn't about the environment or health, it's about the rights of sentient animals not to be tortured and killed for an unnecessary reason. The fact that you can be healthy and reduce your environmental impact on a vegan diet are just more reasons why eating animals can't be justified.
@Zen Rhys Lions don't have moral agency. It's a wild animal, it kills when it needs to. Lions also rape and cannibalise each other. Wanna use lions as exemplars for morals and ethics? I hope not.
Google vegan athletes/body builders. You'll be surprised how many there are. Venus Williams, Lewis Hamilton, Nate Diaz and Kyrie Irving are just a few. These people are right up there in their chosen profession and they are vegan. So your logic of "need meat for performance" is a fallacy.
We feed animals plants, two thirds of crops grown are given to animals. If you care about plants, eat them yourself. Or are you just using "plants are alive tho" as a cop out?
Check out Earthling Ed on here, he has great informative videos on all the topics you're bringing up.
I care about hurting animals but still like meat don't play that guilt card on people. Me changing my diet wouldn't all of a sudden stop animals dying either.
@Anto Free I care about not hurting women, but still like having sex with them, even if they don't want to. Me not raping women wouldn't all of a sudden stop all women from being raped either. See how your logic doesn't stack up?
@Anto Free you eating meat hurts animals. The two aren't separate. If you eat meat animals are hurt/killed. He isn't MAKING you feel guilty, you're doing that all on your own. Guilt is a subjective feeling. He's posing fact and you're reacting to it.
3 trillion animals are killed for human consumption per year. Being vegan doesn't mean animals stop dying. It means you stop contributing to the intentional slaughter of animals and those killed indirectly by animal agriculture. What your saying is like a serial killer not stopping, because people are going to die anyway.
@Anto Free don't play the guilt card? Oh poor you, did you feel bad when you thought about the animals who are having their throats slit for your pleasure? Those mean horrible vegans! Why can't they just let people torture and kill animals in peace?
@Anto Free Guilt is what made me switch to vegan. I thought about it for a long time. Initially I went vegetarian, lasted about 6 months. Then went back to eating meat, but the guilt came back. So about a year later I went vegetarian again. I surrounded myself with people of the same mind and after watching "Dairy is Scary" and reading up about the egg industry I went vegan. Earthling Ed, Joey Carbstrong, David Ramms, Hench Herbivore and Lifting Vegan Logic were all youtubers I watched to help with building up my stance/knowledge.
@Anto Free if you feel guilty thinking about what happens to animals in your name, that's a good thing - it means you're not a psychopath... Now what are you going to do about it? 🤷♂️
@Zen Rhys - So many fallacies in your paragraph. Meat production is exponentially more destructive on every level considering meat animals are fed harvested plants like soy and corn for their feed. Plants don’t have central nervous systems or brains. But you may have slept through 7th grade biology I guess.
Bro u guys are so stupid I can type a whole essay why killing animals and eating meat is ok it’s just your moral beliefs why you think it’s wrong nothing more , killing farm raised animals will change nothing about the ecosystem, economy, or anything else the only reason why you think it’s wrong is because it’s morally wrong to kill something but that’s just your belief......
@The Legend Of Mist if you walked by my house and saw me shooting golden retriever puppies on my front lawn, would you tell me to stop? What if I said "but bro, it's just your belief that killing animals is wrong, and anyway it won't make any difference to the ecosystem or economy"? 🤔
And don't just say, it's a choice. That's not moral/ethical reasoning, it's your stance on the issue.
Also killing farmed animals doesn't change the ecosystem? Google the leading cause of deforestation, habitat destruction and species extinction. You also mentioned the economy. Don't get why you mentioned that, can you clarify?
@N.I Chandler alright so whats your solution. We mass produce meat, so do we all of a sudden just stop? What happens to the animals after it stops? Just release them into the ecosystem? That would be devastating.
@Zen Rhys I see zero articles. I also gave you a list of athletes operating at a high level. How are they at the top of their respective professions and plant based? Google, is a plant based diet healthy. Answer is very clear You also aren't a high performance athlete though? The hell do you need to operate at 100% efficiency?
Earthling Ed did a video "If the world went vegan, what would happen to all the animals?" Go watch it, answers your question
@Anto Free I understand that's an extra complication. Many people also suffer from eating disorders which can make it challenging too. However, there are over 40,000 edible plants and almost infinite plant-based meal recipes, so don't let that stop you from trying your best and taking steps in the right direction, if you agree that animals lives are worth more than your taste pleasure. You don't have to commit to being a perfect vegan in one day - if you gradually make changes you might find it's not nearly has hard as you thought it would be. Personally, I went from pescetarian to vegetarian before finally becoming vegan. In hindsight, I wish I'd just gone vegan straight away, but better late than never. Anyway, I appreciate your honesty - at least you're not making some ridiculous arguments that you don't even believe like many people commenting
@Zen Rhys Scott Jurek is arguably one of the best ultra marathon runners ever, Morgan Mitchell is an amazing Australian Olympic star and David Verburg is an amazing American Olympic runner as well. Shouldn't have to tell you about these people though. All of them are plant based. Your claim is ridiculous. I'm not discussing this further, as it seems you won't listen. I suggest you read up about plant based/vegan athletes. Have a good one!
@N.I Chandler Can you show me how many vegan to non vegan olympic athletes there are? Youll find that they are predominantly non vegan, and youll also find that the non vegans are the BEST OF ALL TIME. Coincidence? I dont think so. Examples: eddie hall, usain bolt, halfthor, ben johnson, michael jordan, etc. I could go on. I guarantee if those vegan atheletes incorporated meat into their diet they would perform even better. Meat contains creatine, vitamin b12, carnosine, and Docosahexaenoic acid. All of which are not found in plants and are vital to optimizing performance and maximizing muscle efficency. This is why the massive majority of top performing athletes eat meat as well as plants in an equitable fashion tailored to their body mechanics. This is fact, not opinion. Have a good day.
@Zen Rhys Firstly, plants don't have a brain or central nervous system. So they don't feel pain. That's not an opinion, that's scientific fact. Secondly, cows eat 25lbs of grain for every 1lb of body weight. So if you think harvesting crops kills a ton of animals, you're killing 25 more by eating beef, plus the cow. There's also the millions of fish that die because of waste and sewage runoff from feedlots. None of your arguments hold any weight. You're clearly confusing you opinion with facts.
@Zen Rhys The information you think says you need meat are funded by the meat industry. Not a single unbiased, non Industry funded, peer reviewed study says you need meat to operate at peak efficiency. The best athletes in the world are vegan, Serena and Venus Williams, Novak Jokovic , Lewis Hamilton, Nate Diaz, Tom Brady and many more. The longest living populations on earth are vegan.
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@Cameron MacDonald all of those athletes were non vegan and ate meat during their prime. If you thought a bit more deeply, then you would even find that some athletes like lewis hamilton performed worse during their plant based years and in fact fell of their prime. Lewis hamilton peaked in 2016, however, after switching to a vegan diet in 2017 he didnt perform as well as 2016 and has never reached that level of performance since. All the athelets you mentioned got to where they are by eating a balanced diet including meat and other animal products. Not by being vegan. Its just convenient that they switched to a plant based diet after they were already known as the best so the vegan community could take credit for their performance, even though in most cases they performed WORSE during their plant based years lmao.
@Zen Rhys the majority of the population is non-vegan, so of course the majority of high performance athletes are also non-vegan. The fact is though, there are plenty of examples of long time vegan athletes who have broken records and out-performed their non-vegan counterparts. As more people realise they don't want to hurt animals anymore, there will be an increase in vegan athletes that will also break records
Well do you know that the vegetable industry kills 55 animals per 100 KGs of food. Way more than the meat industry ? Why don't you stop eating vegetables and fruits ?
@Othmane hari theres a big difference between accidental death and murder. Also, 2 thirds of plants grown are fed to animals that we then kill. Plus veganism isn't claiming perfection, it sucks that we have to cause harm just to exist on this planet, that doesn't mean we should intentionally cause it when it's avoidable and unnecessary
@Hugh Jaynus it's not accidental in the vegetable industry. Crows, hedgehogs, coons, foxes, rats, hummingbirds and other animals are intentionally killed and poisoned by the farmers because they would consume the entire field if left alive. "It sucks that we have to cause harm to exist" that is the compromise of living, whether you're eating meat or vegan your diet is the result of many animals being killed and displaced. Either accept that compromise or be detroyed by it
@Othmane hari unfortunately, yes, our current method of dealing with protecting harvest is a ruthless one, hopefully we can adjust to a better method in the future. But at the moment it IS necessary since we need crops for survival, vegan or not. Eating animals is not for survival in modern society, its for taste, unnecessarily harming them for pleasure is cruel and unjustified. As you said, we must accept that we cause harm by existing, but that doesn't justify deliberately causing harm. Anyway, if you don't like that we shoot these animals to protect crops, and the vast majority of these crops are then fed to animals for non-vegans to kill and eat... We need far less farmland for a vegan food system, meaning less crop deaths
@Zen Rhys you feel fucking guilty for meat eating and project your guilt and try to guilt trip vegan for being voilent with plants. Okay let me come this way you can't avoid killing plants at least you can reduce animal suffering then see what we do with plant suffering. If you can't stop unnecessary suffering that you cause by killing animals you don't have a say in vegan's abusing plants.
@Othmane hari Yes and that's even more reason to go vegan. 80% of the world's crops go to feed animals. So by eating meat you're not only killing 5x more animals accidentally during harvest and from farmers not wanting animals around, but you're also killing the animal you eat on top of that. So by your logic you're actually killing significantly more animals than you originally though.
@Cameron MacDonald Im taking about vegetables and fruits. Those are the ones killing msot animals. Not barley and grain, those barely kill, when wqs the last time you saw a humminbird or a fox eating grains ?
@CAP’N CRUNCH that’s literally just incorrect. A simple google will tell you animals are by far the highest quality protein source. Plants lack certain amino acids and thing like that. Broccoli does have a higher protein count per calorie then steak but in order to get the same amount of protein from broccoli as you would a steak you’d have to eat over 6 full cups of chopped broccoli. So 1 steak equates to about 6 full cups of broccoli. And that’s disregarding the fact broccoli lacks 3 major amino acids steak has.
The problem with your argument is that you are also assuming transcendental you cant deny a man because he believes in god your evidence is logic is real and denys god but logic is also invisible as god but you assume it pretty easily? Morality also holds the same value as logic both very important but why do you assume them if they are invisible as god?
@anthonydude except you can't. and I don't have to provide proof for that as there are studies everywhere about it. Veganism is not as healthy as a balanced omnivore diet.
@JR Fresh I can't what? This is a position statement from the world's largest body of nutrition scientists, the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics, based on a review of hundreds of peer-reviewed studies: "appropriately planned vegetarian, including vegan, diets are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and may provide health benefits for the prevention and treatment of certain diseases. These diets are appropriate for all stages of the life cycle, including pregnancy, lactation, infancy, childhood, adolescence, older adulthood, and for athletes."
@Zen Rhys Not vegan but what you said doesn't make any sense lol. No, being vegan does not and would not kill more lives. The ecosystem doesn't depend exclusively on humans, in fact we make up 2% of bio mass in the world. That means if you rule out humans eating meat completely, the food chain wouldn't just collapse. And science is certain that plants cannot form conscious thoughts
But the thing is,God wouldn't say kicking puppies is okay,animals were intended for food anyway,the guy that would be kicking the puppy is just doing it out of straight cruelty but we have to kill the animals for meat,how else can we get it
@sayajin you can eat something else. You only eat meat because you like the taste, it's not out of necessity. The guy kicking the dog just likes the sound it makes. What's the difference?
@anthonydude but the thing is,kicking cute little puppies is not normal,eating meat is,this one time is hostel I didn't eat meat for about 4-5 days and my body starter to feel weak,but after I filled my tummy with juicy tasty protein,I could feel my body coming back to life,my muscles felt it was back to normal,and I was happy.end of story. Moral of the story:I love meat
@anthonydude man don't change the focus to something else,I'm talking about eating meat here,it'd been like that since the old ages. Why don't you vegans start a movement to stop animal on animal violence then,go talk to the lions and tigers to stop preying on herbivores,because it's 'wrong'.IK you'll bring up the argument of 'they have no choice they have to eat,they are biologically wired to prey on them herbivores'. Then well the herbivores are just lower than the lions in the food chain it's normal right,and we humans are on the top,we can eat both meat and grass,it's normal.
@anthonydude I'm afraid that if my iq is below 50 then yours would be in the negative range.You couldn't put up a proper argument to my points earlier so you resorted to totally go off course and commenting on my iq in an attempt to insult me,tsk tsk poor guy.
@sayajin I've made plenty of comments on this thread, so feel free to peruse them. They say arguing with an idiot is like playing chess with a pigeon - and I don't have time for either.
Being a vegan does more damage to our environment then eating animals 🤨 we need plants to get oxygen, killing plants takes so much breathable air out per plant killed.. Animals use oxygen to breathe as well. You're telling me that if vegans killed all the plants and we didn't have oxygen is better than some animals being eaten for food? Don't get me wrong i don't like animals being killed, but using the eating a plant based diet is better for the environment logic makes no sense.
My thing is, animals are being killed anyway, if a million people are vegan, they’re still going to kill and market the animals to eat. I might as well just eat them, i’m not doing more harm than good i’m the situation, no matter what we do they’ll be killed. So i might as well eat them.
I'm going to eat more animals, respectfully. After that, I will only eat more. I want you to know that those animals will then turn into my shit down the toilet. There is NOTHING you can do to stop me, respectfully. Your comments and replies will only make me eat MORE animals. There is NOTHING you can do about it but cry at the sight of my OWN shit.
@anthonydude So you are telling me you just went vegan to make yourself feel better? You won’t convince anyone like that, in fact you going vegan isn’t even helping the animals that you want to protect. Maybe we should just devolve back into wild animals... oh wait we would still be eating meat lol
@Saffy I have no idea what point you're even trying to make. Just stop paying for animals to be abused for an unnecessary reason, it's quite simple really 👍
@FaKe Big Maq it's got nothing to do with what I think, it's just reality that your unnecessary lifestyle choices inflict abuse and suffering on innocent animals. Of course I can't stop you, just like I can't stop rapists from raping or child abusers from hurting children. If you choose to be an animal abuser, that's on you
@anthonydude The most I’ve done is fish, but sure I’m an animal abuser I guess. My family has killed animals, so we can eat. Because that’s apart of our culture. We do it every year, and my ancestors had also done it every year when they lived. Though it wasn’t a slaughter house, it was one lamb once a year.
Some people can stop If they feel compelled to do so, but I feel that I wouldn’t be able to do it. A lot of my diet comes from various animals, alongside my livelihood.
@King of Catfish so what? A strong slave might have more value to their captor than a weak slave, but they both have the same moral worth because they have the same capacity to experience suffering and well-being.
I would’ve said yes to the slightly different DNA one. It’s nature you’re trying to preserve then you should know about natural order and food chains. Not to mention farms and producing of beans nuts and other things that make reliable alternatives for protein take up more space than an animal farm with multiple uses.
The reality with Veganism today with people is that a lot of people don't want to be associated with the extreme side of it. Vegans who make a fool of themselves in public and harrases others, even going far as to get violent. Not to say all Vegans are like this, this sort of shit is actually common in a lot of communities. But at the end of the day, the negative side is going to be focused on more than the positive, if u wanna go Vegan go Vegan bro, just don't force your opinions or ideology down people's throats or harass them, stay safe yall ❤
As a meat eater myself, I disagree with the idea of mass produced meat with current meat farms. Animals are kept in extremely claustrophobic and unsanitary/disgusting environments and they contribute to a lot of air pollution, energy waste, etc. Hunting an animal is very different than mass producing because hunting is closer to your idea of "natures slaughterhouse." Some would argue that at the top of the food chain, we've earned the right to mass produce and treat animals like shit, but as intelligent creatures we also possess the ability to empathize. The mammals being slaughtered for our enjoyment experience horrible lives from birth till death (industrial meat farms), and that bothers me.
@pwnbck humans won’t have the proper options to survive. Meat is a huge source of our protein. And if we eating all the things that the non meat eating animals eat, it’ll be no different than us killing them
@Richforever Leaks 3 There is a surplus of non-meat products. Animals who do not eat meat aren’t going to die because we eat all of their food. And as someone who needs a large amount of protein daily, there are tons of other options for protein than just meat. Think about all the vegan bodybuilders who need tons of protein to gain muscle and are still huge. Humans can easily survive without meat. No hate tho, eating meat is what people were raised on so it’s hard to change peoples perception, but maybe we can all understand eachothers sides a bit more
I’m not vegan (as a cook I actually love meat) but there is definitely a difference between nature and us factory farming animals, that’s why I personally don’t buy factory farmed meats, shits fucked up fr.
@Akhtar10x how about we stop killing other humans then worry about animals and I hunt and in no way is it like the old days you just sit and wait in a blind then shoot it honestly sometimes kills them slower than the factorys do
@pwnbck if only half the worlds population turned to being plant based only at the same time there wouldn’t be enough plant based proteins and foods for everyone to eat
@pwnbck plus not to account for all the water and land you would require to farm such enough produce that you can feed everyone. That would take away from the whole nature idea of animals and their land to live on. It would not be good. I think a lot of people forget about these issues.
@pwnbck and when the soil is all sucked up of its nutrients and grant grow anything what are you going to do then? Mass produce the plants in some other larger place and take that environment from more animals
@SaySikeDJ Do you actually base your morality on what animals do? If animals rape other animals then you think you can do that too?
Think for yourself. Most animals we kill are innocent. We have been given intellegence and sense of morality and the choice to be vegan unlike animals.
Make the right choice and stop killing animals for no good reason at all.
@Jeremiah Boomin So you are telling me that lets say you go to an dog fighting ring. You wouldn't mind buying a ticket to watch the fight because it wouldn't stop anyways.
Maybeee, a few less dollars going to the bottom line of these industries will make them stop at least the expansion of these factories.
I hope that when slavery existed there wasnt people with the same mindset. That if I don't own a slave, it's not like slavery is going to go away. Don't own a slave because it wrong to do so, not because it won't solve slavery, but because it's just simply wrong.
@Sarbjot Singh What’s your point. Dog fights isn’t even close to what I’m talking about. That’s setup by humans to make money. I’m talking about lions, tigers, and bears, etc. who hunt and kill to get meat for their families. I want you to go in the wild and tell a LION TO STOP EATING MEAT. You may be on the plate next. DOG FIGHTS WAS A PRETTY BAD EXAMPLE LOL. respectfully tho
@Sarbjot Singh and it’s beyond me that you would even bring up that topic when we’re talking about wild animals here, who go out and hunt everyday for theirs
@Sarbjot Singh then you touch on a sensitive topic such as slavery (which is what my ancestors went through) I know how slavery went down. Ofc it’s all wrong, but that had nothing to do with what I commented above man
@Jeremiah Boomin So you base you morality on what a animal does? Animals rape too, so you think that's okay.
I hope that your morality is based on what you believe is right and wrong. I would assume you are against animal cruelty. I would assume that you would that killing an animal for no good reason at all is wrong
@Jeremiah Boomin I'm just using examples to prove logic. Not equate the entire scenario you know? I respect what your ancestors had to go through man. It's so horrible.
Injustice somewhere is injustice everwhere. If I lived in that time I hope that I would have the courage to stand up to those profiting off of those that are innocent and deserve a free life.
Kinda like animals today. I'm not saying it's the same things. I'm saying if you are against the reasons why slavery was justified, some of those reasons are being used to today for meat industry.
Injustice happens usuually with a profit motive and because people are willing to overlook injustice becuase of other selfish resasons.
@Sarbjot Singh 1. I’m against rape. My now girlfriend was raped by her ex... again another topic that’s going away from the point which is eating meat
2. I’m against killing of any of any animals. I’m an animal lover. True nature boy. But I have no power in stopping them from slaughtering. Let’s be realistic. Me holding a sign and protesting isn’t gonna work. Let’s be 100% honest.
@Sarbjot Singh no hate to you all love, but we’ll never see eye to eye on this topic, because like Jidion said, you believe in what you believe and I have my beliefs. Hopefully one day it’ll get to level of understanding.🙏🏽
@Jeremiah Boomin your beliefs harm others, toxic positivity bullshit. Racists believe it’s okay to oppress people…. That belief doesn’t deserve respect and nor does the belief to needlessly torture and harm non humans deserve respect.
@Akhtar10x it’s actually better to end its suffering through making it food rather than keeping it in unhealthy and packed environments that are very hard for them.
@Veganix there is also no necessity to eat pants either. Either way you are killing a living organism. Humans are natural omnivores if your argument is we should go to a strictly plant diet that is nonsense. There is too high of a population for that. There would not be enough place to grow the requisite plants to sustain all of the population. If you want to talk about the conditions the animals live through being poor I'm sure you will have no disagreements from most people.
@D. LEE I already had a civilized discussion with someone else and don’t have time to talk to someone like you again. Like I said you have your beliefs in what is right and I have mine. We are all different. I want you to go protest over and over again in front of the slaughterhouses and tell me what result you get. I know it’s not right but I’m not the one doing it
@JustRoberto When did I harm anyone of my “belief “???? Please let me know. What if his beliefs harmed me???? Oh maybe it’s because I’m not agreeing with you, you attack me and think I’m harming you. No, me and the person had a great discussion about it and I got where he was coming from. I’m not harming anyone
@Krwiomocz.Bogurodzicy Ⓥ let me ask you this.... what would happen if you went to go protest in front of slaughterhouses, would they stop?? It’s not my fault.
@Jeremiah Boomin you’ve jumped to a lot of conclusions here, I’m talking specifically about the phrase “everyone has the right to believe what they want to believe” sure believe what you want, but your beliefs aren’t a justification to harm others. In this context the belief that it’s okay to harm certain animals for food, clothing and or products etc. Just because someone believes it’s morally okay doesn’t make it so.
@raz mataz Rape isn’t cool AT ALLLLL. Like I said it’s a sensitive topic for me because my girlfriend was a victim of it. And, we’re talking about slaughterhouses and eating meat, has nothing to do with rape. Stop downing ones logic to bring power to yours. Stop being prideful and if I’m wrong just teach me. I never said your beliefs are wrong now did I? You said one point and just think you won the discussion.😂
@JustRoberto Okay you said “Just because it’s morally okay, doesn’t make it so” I never said my point was the “way to go” and I never said he needed to follow my points. Like I said we were both giving ideas, to get a understanding of each other. Another thing, you do know plants are living as well right? So since plants are living does that make it wrong for us to consume them. Just asking, not trying to argue
@Jeremiah Boomin bacteria is living, also, being alive isn’t what I would assign value to. Being sentient and able to feel pain is. Imagine I cut a dogs throat in front of you and said “well don’t you know carrots are alive to” what would you think of me?
@Jeremiah Boomin, Not your fault? “No snowflake ever feels responsible in an avalanche.” — SJ Lec
Whenever you buy meat, milk eggs, you are perpetuating the demand, which furthers the business of raising animals and then slaughtering them for you to eat. You can turn your head the other way, but the process continues. It continues at the detriment and ill fortune for the animals.
If I protested at a slaughterhouse, I'd be arrested, granted. Abolishionists and civil rights activists were arrested when they broke laws when protesting.
Sexual abuse and animal abuse have the common denominator of abuse. Notably, artificial insemination itself is sexual abuse. See this video: https://youtu.be/S91iFLVZq0A and this short film about a parallel universe where rape is legal and common: https://youtu.be/poxl0K9UrP0
@JustRoberto I’m saying, you’re vegan and I’m not. You’re saying it’s wrong for me to eat an animal. So I’m asking you is it right to eat another living thing such as a plant?
@Jeremiah Boomin and I’m saying it isn’t comparable for the reasons I mentioned. You don’t need to eat animals to be healthy. Plants aren’t sentient conscious beings who can suffer like we do. So for that reason we should avoid harming them.
@ib leminen You would say the same for dogs? Cats? Humans?
Everything has to die, why not cause it suffering along the way and end it's life extremelty short.
Why do you think you are so powerful and important that you can exploit other living things? Snap out of it. What we do to animals is horrible.
If you had a choice, would you be born as a livestock animal? Like a chicken that could get blended alive in first seconds of life or forced to stay in crowded factory with no sunlight. Or be a cow that is repeated raped to bear children and produce milk. Once the cow can no longer produce babies or milk then gets head chopped off.
@Ethan OpT But when you don't actually need to eat meat because a plant based diet is healthier, cheaper and better for the environment you are literally raping, torturing and slaughtering them just for fun
@Jackson Shropshire Yes you do. 99.2% of meat is factory farmed. There's no way you don't eat factory farmed meat. All of it is factory farmed these days
@Cameron MacDonald not true, you can easily get non factory farmed meat when you live in an area like western Canada, also tastes way better which is another reason I prefer getting it. I even have some chickens myself. Obviously I don’t always eat non factory farmed meat, I love Popeyes every once and a while, but it’s definitely not impossible and I could strictly do that if I wanted.
@Cameron MacDonald also where the fuck did you get that statistic? There’s literally not a single website that says that other than “plantbasednews” which is a clearly biased website 💀
@Jackson Shropshire I didn't get that from plant based news. But even if I did they would cite their sources unlike most websites. They aren't biased, they are fact based. There's a difference. I also live in Western Canada, central Alberta. All those fields you see growing hay with bales sitting around everywhere are going to feed factory farmed animals. And even the cows that are grazing on the land go to feedlots at the end of their life before slaughter. That statistic is for north America. Likely better in other countries but here in North America it's all factory farmed.
@Cameron MacDonald I understand that, but i live in a very tight community that is mostly farmers and have a very close friend of mine who gives me my meats. you don’t have to go to big stores for meat, and all my chicken is either from mine or my friends who is not involved in factory farming at all and actually hates it aswell (like most farmers) because of the unemployment rate of many people like him. In no way is it impossible to not eat factory farmed meat, especially when you have connections. Also if you dont think a vegan website is biased for something about farming I don’t know what to tell you
@Cameron MacDonald I don’t know why you want to believe so bad that all farmers are bad, some people genuinely care about their animals, not everybody is going to be a vegan man.
@Cameron MacDonald one more thing, which will probably be my last reply to this stupid ass conversation, there are plenty of other people like me, I don’t know how you’re so delusional where you think that it is genuinely impossible to eat and trace meats back to real farms. Even people like maya higa (who is a fairly popular twitch streamer who you may or may not know with an official org and animal sanctuary)has said that she will most likely never go vegan but she buys from a butcher who buys wholesale from completely grass fed operations. There is very easy ways of buying grass fed meats, I just don’t think you want to know that there are people who care about animals and still eat meat.
Luca Berti but they don't have to. It's not a necessity. It is no longer needed in 99% of 1st world countries. It is not needed because we can be healthy on plants alone. Stop being cruel to animals for no good reasons at all
@Jeremiah Boomin u r the consumer. Consumer demands dictates that you economically demand animals be enslaved, exploited, raped, tortured and killed for you for an unnecessary reason as u could eat plants instead. Killing animals unnecessarily is abuse
@JD3TheGreat TM have to eat something to survive. As an ominvore U can choose plant or an animal. A plant that has no Brian no family, no emotion and can’t feel pain or choose and animal who can feel all of those things but also responsible for all the plants they eat which is more than u could ever eat.
When the vegan said, him and jidion spoke over the phone and jidion said to him he was thinking of becoming a vegan I was deadddd 💀💀💀 I knew his was fucking him 😂😂😂
Man i hate when people talk about “objective truth” when it comes to a moral decision. What was moral 200 years ago may be immoral today, what was immoral 500 years ago could be moral today. There’s no objective morality if morality changes not only across time, but across different cultures too.
This guy does realize humans have been eating animals since day 1 right? Like imagine this guy going back in time and loosing his sh** on a group of hunter gathers 😂.
The thing that annoyed me most with that guy is how he kept bringing up how they got shot in the slaughter houses, no they don’t. It’s not like they are being hunted out in the middle of nowhere
I saw this on David's channel first, it'll be interesting to see it again from yours🌿 I found the prank really well done and I'm glad that you were able to get some good reactions from it without using real meat.
Wow. Amazing funny Episode as usual but I especially love the debate!
I personally don’t feel like a human perspective God especially if choosing for himself to be what we humans would much later come to understand as all merciful, would create beings (none of which could ever come close to holding a candle to him in his full size power being knowledge and glory) like satan and any angel or human or whatever that he already foresees according to his own grand design before all existence began, will go to the worse imaginable existence in eternal hell punishment (or total soul annihilation if that’s what one believes), simply due to the failure to meet the very specific terms and conditions he set in place according to his grand plan.
However I do believe lots of the Bible as well as other religions are true and have been heavily manipulated with things that just seem like craziness nonsense to me, and believe that many gods exist like any other group of species but also believe there’s a supreme being unlimited God above and below us all and that is also us all by default, that encompasses all things and placed certain things to be certain ways from an infinite density perspective and probably since it exists in all things, all things have the ability to fully tap into that supreme being and do whatever is the conscience desire or mere action.
However I have nothing against people who think the Bible or any other religion is 100 percent correct (and no other doctrine) from front to back and will remain in that belief as long as they aren’t trying to force it on others or causing harm to others with anything to do with such beliefs. And end of the day, no matter how insane and silly certain things might sound to me, who really knows? Maybe it is true
I’m also vegan and believe it’s the healthiest way for all humans to live healthy lives with the least amount of health issues and promote top physics condition and don’t think animals should have to be tortured and killed but rather live the killing for food up to when mankind is in the wild with no other option to survive as well as animals doing so to each other, however I’m not gunna force that on others either or judge people because they eat me as if they have to be 100 percent conscious of the torture and truly enjoy that being the process to eat their food.
Whenever I hear a vegan talk, I go out if my way to eat an additional piece of meat. Went in my kitchen and grabbed some beef jerky just for this video. I'm not even hungry
I have sickle trait, only recently have I discovered we carry low oxygen levels in our kidneys, we are even at risk to Kidney cancer (FFS). Always had strange things going on with my body despite never ever drinking, smoking or doing drugs. Anyway, upon eliminating/reducing meat my health shot up. My Kidney's were given a break, and my renal filteration system improved dramatically. No more migranes, no more toothache, no more hormonal issues, no more fatigue, no more pains in my sides and no more smelly pee pee. I would classify that as gentically being predisposed to be a Vegan. Sorry for the long post!
I don’t think it should be just “the animals get killed or murdered” but they are abused tortured and mistreated and not able to live as they should be and taken care of and be healthy and happy.
@Qwadent Wow man. That's the most solid argument I've ever heard. In all my time of being vegan I never thought I could just eat ribs. But your comment was so smart it changed my life man.
@Cameron MacDonald Y'all stay mad at us for eating animals but what about other predators like lions, cheetahs, alligators, eagles, snakes and the many other apex predators that hunt animals every second? what you finna do, try to talk them into not killing and eating animals?
The way he was like “Shot in the head and slit on the throat” just made no sense, like how else do you want them to be killed? A gunshot to the head is literally the quickest and most painless way to go! On top of that, his whole “murdering animals is wrong” sentiment is dumb considering we’re biologically designed to eat both meat and plants. Thousands of wild animals are murdered brutally by other wild animals all around the world every day, it’s just the circle of life!
He just gots to realize that his morals won't be the same as everyone else's. He acts like he's a better person because he's vegan doesn't really convince anyone to be vegan. Also I'd say plenty of hunters have no PTSD from hunting dears and what not. There is no correlations their. So killing animals doesn't necessarily mean PTSD and depression lol.
Jidion cant lose bro.. hes a man that goes by his own rules and that's how life is supposed to be. This is only my 2nd day watching his channel and man I look up to him not only because of his content, but his character is truly unbreakable
Vegan guy: butchers get PTSD Me: i went to my grandpas house in mexico, they killed a cow, a pig, and a turkey. happiest man i ever met. good food too.
I'm not vegan but I get where the guy is coming from. I believe we should still be allowed to eat meat but minimise it to the point where we see it as a luxury food item rather than a daily thing. But at the same time, I blame the government for not promoting alternatives and not lowering the prices of those vegan alternatives. Unless the government does something about it, its useless to try and argue the current norm.
Hunting and sacrifices can be a spiritual practice & for survival for sure. However, TODAY we live in a world where we don’t have to kill due to mass meat cooperations. The deaths are already unbalanced.
@Abundance of Abundance they gon keep killing because they need fresh muscle tissue and it makes corporations hella bank. Honestly not much is going to change about it. We gon run Earth to the ground until The second coming of Jesus. Humans just don’t have the wisdom and power to change and fix anything on a major level, that’s why we create more problems than solving them.
I'm not vegetarian or anything but it is true that those bad things are happening to animals. It's really more about how you view the importance of animal lives and also how bad you care about the meat industry impacting climate change.
For me I try to eat less beef / red meat less mainly for climate/health reasons but I still enjoy meat
Personally it's not cool to kill animals but we are omnivores. It's nature. Can we survive without meat sure but humans have eaten meat continuously forever. There was never a time when we weren't omnivores or if there was it was long long before now.
Vegans have a point about treating animals humanely. We should. I totally agree with them.
i honestly woulda mentioned the fact that animals eat other animals too so this discussion seems lowkey pointless to me when it’s just part of our natural food chain.
lol its not that hard to conclude things regarding Vegans. Just go back 10000 years afo how humans had to survive, by hunting animals. Just like animals eat animals, we as humans also eat animals, and you even have animals that eat humans. However, we are not living in that age anymore, so now we could debate wether the way these animals are being mass slaughtered for food production, if thats the right way. Thats another story, but saying that humans should not kill animals for food to surbive is a bit strange.
In the Christian religion yes we did have to sacrifice a lamb every time we sin and Jesus sacrificed his life for our sins so we don’t need to do that anymore
You gonna stop being vegan cus of religion smh. What’s more likely geographic regions have different religions because they have all made up some bs to fit there agendas or 1 religion is correct. Believing in 1 religion means u disbelieve the 1000s of others.
@Mark Pat Joe Bill Dinosaur Why do you love it when vegans get angry? Vegans are simply giving voice for the voiceless victims, they are trying to make their unnecessary suffering end. What about vegans makes you wish harm for them?
@Mark Pat Joe Bill Dinosaur Like I said veganism is not about you or the vegans. They only care about your eating because there's a victim involved. The inconvenience you experience when "vegans don't let you eat in peace" is nothing compared to the inconvenience and literal torture animals experience in factory farms.
@Mark Pat Joe Bill Dinosaur Don't apologize to me, I'm not the victim. Do you think that you desiring to eat chicken or non-vegan burger makes it justifiable to eat those foods?
@Mark Pat Joe Bill Dinosaur Again, your apology to me means nothing because I'm not the victim. Just to be clear, the slaughtering part is only one part of the exploitation. It's the suffering they experience through their whole life what is worst. You don't care about the slaughter but do you care about the suffering? If not, why?
@Mark Pat Joe Bill Dinosaur Would you care if dogs were tortured and slaughtered for food? Or would you care if they were humans? I'm trying to understand your position
@Atte Rahikkala unfortunately it happens with dogs and cats too. I don’t like it but it happens. However, I still will eat chicken and beef. Sometimes pork. Once again, you’re not gonna change my mind. Sorry 🤷🏻♂️
@Mark Pat Joe Bill Dinosaur So you do care about dogs and cats, interesting. Most likely about humans too then even though you didn't answer the question. So what is it about dogs and cats that makes you care for them? Cows, pigs and chickens are fundamentally exactly the same with dogs and cats. They all have a nervous system, they can all suffer and feel pain, they all want to live and their level of intelligence is about the same. A child wouldn't know to choose to only play with dogs and cats, a child would want to play with them all. So again, why do you care about dogs and cats? I'm simply trying to understand
@Mark Pat Joe Bill Dinosaur I'm starting to understand now. You can't ethically justify your meat eating, and now that you couldn't answer the question about caring reveals that there in fact is a side of you which cares about the suffering of the animals and you know you are doing wrong. It's completely natural, like I said a child would want to play with all of them, cows, pigs, chickens, dogs and cats. A child would be terrified to see any of them suffer or to be killed. Hating cows, pigs and chicken and ignoring their suffering is completely learned behavior. Vegans make you get back the natural compassion inside of you. And since the compassion goes against your meat addiction, you try to cope your cognitive dissonance by insulting the vegans. That's what your vegan hate is about - you don't want to hear the truth.
You don't have to prove me anything, you don't have to respond. I wish you the all the best for the deep reflection you are going through and hopefully you will reconnect with your nature and do what the animals would want you to do.
What vegans forget is that humans are omnivores which means they literally are meant to eat animals AND plants, which is like telling a lion to stop eating zebras and antelopes
Found your channel through my boy, David. Great respectful discussion. For all the non-vegans, it’s important to recognize that almost no vegans were born vegan. I used to spend $100 on steak dinners. People don’t stop eating animals because they don’t taste good, we just realized we can eat delicious food without causing so much pain, suffering and death. A little bit of empathy is what this crazy world needs. ✌🏼💚🌱
@shoobadoo123 the animals doesnt want to be exploited and die. thats the biggest problem. can I kill a human if I give them a quick death? why hurt others when we can just eat plants? we are omnivores witch means we dont NEED to eat chopped up bodyparts to survive.
@shoobadoo123 Some do, but many get boiled alive, put in gas chambers, beaten, and electrocuted before being killed. I know this because I’ve seen dozens of hours of hidden camera footage, and I’ve also been to dozens of slaughterhouses and farms around the world. How many slaughterhouses and factory farms have you been to?
And, more importantly, even if animals weren’t put in tiny cages, mutilated, and abused, they’re all still having their throats slit for no good reason. Don’t waste your time, you won’t convince me to start harming animals after nine years of living an amazing life without hurting animals.
@Assassin 9958 Do I really have to explain this for the gajillionth time?? Ffs. I have a thousand food options where animals aren’t abused and/or killed. I have zero options for a phone without traces of animal products. Once animals are no longer killed en masse for food, I’m certain they’ll find other solutions for phone screens, car tires, bills (currency), etc. Veganism is about reducing harm to animals where possible and practicable. We cause harm just by simply existing… doesn’t mean we have to kill ourselves to reduce our impact on others 😂🤡
@Assassin 9958 Anyone with a decent set of morals is a hypocrite in one way or another. Claiming that our inherent imperfection means we should be indifferent toward the unnecessary pain, suffering, and death of other sentient beings is a very slippery slope.
@Animal Rights human life is more valuable so no you can’t. And again I don’t hurting or abusing animals. A quick death is not hurting them. we’re omnivores because we evolved that way. Nature dictated that we need both meat and nonmeat for a healthy diet. Everything about the human body shows that. Our teeth. Our taste buds LOVING the taste of meat. Our whole digestive track. We are able to eat meat for a reason
@AVO yea I know about all that stuff and obviously I don’t condone any of it. As long as it’s a quick death and living conditions are good during their lifetimes, it’s not hurting/abusing them. And don’t worry I would never try to convince anyone to harm animals because I am against animal abuse
@shoobadoo123 You can’t be against animal abuse while paying for it. And if you’ve actually been inside of several factory farms and slaughterhouses and think that what happens in those places isn’t abuse and cruelty, then just ask yourself if you would trade places with them. That’s the way to know if something is right or wrong. If you wouldn’t want it done to you, then you shouldn’t do it to others.
@shoobadoo123 You wouldn’t be saying that if you had ever spent a few hours inside a factory farm (where 99.9% of farmed animals live). But even worse than abusing them is killing them. Would you trade places with them? If not, then you clearly recognize it’s fucked up.
@AVO 99.9% of animals are abused before they are killed? Bullshit 😂 If I were an animal, then sure. As long as I get a quick death and am not abused beforehand. But I am a human and human lives are infinitely more valuable
@shoobadoo123Ok, so where do 99.9% of animals live if not in horrible, abusive conditions in factory farms around the world? Do you have any clue what you’re talking about? 🙄🔫
And what makes you think that a cow doesn’t value her life as much as you do? Of course, your life is more important to you, and there’s nothing wrong with caring about humans, but that doesn’t justify abusing and killing animals unnecessarily. Can you actually come up with any valid reason to harm and kill animals when we have absolutely no need to??
@AVO are you serious? You believe that pretty much every animal is abused before it’s killed? The vegan propaganda has really gotten to you. Most places don’t abuse the animals at all. A cow is not capable of thinking at that high of a level. Can’t believe that has to be explained. And I already gave my reasoning. We were MADE to eat meat. And if we were as dumb as animals, we would definitely be eating meat because we wouldn’t be able to think about high level things such as morality. So just because we’re smart and can come up with a reason to not eat animals doesn’t mean we shouldn’t. You could come up with a reason why I don’t NEED to shit in the toilet, but I’m still gonna shit in the toilet. We don’t NEED to most things that we do, but we still do them. So the argument of “if you don’t NEED to, why do it?” is very weak.
@Animal Rights Y'all stay mad at us for eating animals but what about other predators like lions, cheetahs, alligators, eagles, snakes and the many other apex predators that hunt animals every second? what you finna do, try to talk them into not killing and eating animals?
@AVO Y'all stay mad at us for eating animals but what about other predators like lions, cheetahs, alligators, eagles, snakes and the many other apex predators that hunt animals every second? what you finna do, try to talk them into not killing and eating animals?
@Jay 1. I think more people should be upset about animal abuse and unnecessary cruelty/violence. 2. That's a pretty goofy thing to say... the animals you mentioned don't have moral agency 😂 Plus, wild animals are in survival mode, they don't have grocery stores.
Are you actually suggesting our morality should be based on what wild animals do?? Do you support legalizing rape and murder because wild animals do those things?? 🤨
@AVO bro animals don’t think. They have instincts. They can’t process things like us. Fuck, even bugs do their best to live lol. Its instincts. We have instincts too, but the free will to take over those. Sure some animals are smart, but it just isn’t what you make it out to be.
@Blank Man What?? 😂😂😂 First, humans are animals (mammals). And yes, animals do think, that’s what a brain is for. Not only are many nonhuman animals quite smart, they also have emotions and feel pain and suffering much like we do. Did you skip biology class in school or something? I’m not exaggerating when I say that your comment has to be one of the dumbest comments I’ve ever seen on YouTube. Seriously, you should get a prize. 😂😂😂
@AVO so you tell me that insects think because they have brains? No lmao, they follow instincts and pheromones. Dumbass bro… we can think so much more deeply than animals. We are significantly more intelligent than ANY animal. Bro you don’t. Get it 😂
@Blank Man Animals don’t have their throats slit in slaughterhouses ?? I’m starting to see your point about some animals not thinking 😂 You know you could just use google instead of relying on strangers on YouTube to teach you things 😂😂😂
@AVO No, they don’t. Nobody slits a pig’s throat lmao. Generally it is decaptitation or electrocution. I don’t know what Bandladesh farms you are talking aboit
@AVO My point just flew right over your head because we also need meat, we need protein because it is essential to our diet so I don't know how tf you got rape and murder out of what I said. Most of you vegans have to be taking supplements just so y'all don't get sick because y'all lack protein smh.
@AVO y'all be acting like they don't suffer as much when they're out there in the wild not being eaten by humans. If we don't eat them then trust and believe that some other predator is gonna eat them.
@Jay Do you actually think that 80 billion pigs, chickens and cows are caught in the wild and put in factory farms??? 🤨😂 I'm actually blown away at how dumb some of the comments on this thread are. Seriously. I'm kinda worried for humanity.
@AVO Go back to my comment and tell me when did I ever say that 80 billion pigs, chickens and cows are caught in the wild and put in factory farms. I am literally talking about how y'all see no problem with other animals eating animals but humans are where y'all draw the line. Even if they weren't eaten by us most of them would've most likely die from natural causes, starvation and being hunted by other animals but y'all don't pay attention to that. What you're not gonna make me look like is a fool cause I know that I'm right. Y'all just want to find a reason to argue with people about what they eat.
@Jay Read your own comment 😂 You said that they suffer in the wild when they aren’t being eaten by humans. None of those animals would exist in the wild. They are forcibly bred into existence unnecessarily to be tortured and killed as babies for profit. It’s clear from your last comment that you have no clue how this industry works. I swear, the amount of people who embarrass themselves and waste time arguing about shit they no NOTHING about is astounding.
@AVO If they were bred for that purpose then so what? if we were suppose to free every "forcibly bred" animal into the wild, would they survive? No dummy because out there they're literally the same thing to other predators...FOOD. I don't have to know much about it because the excuses y'all make are shit and you guys tend to make up the most unrealistic scenarios to get what y'all want.
@JayMaaaaan, you’re just digging your hole deeper and deeper 😂 There would be no need to release these artificially created animals if these animal abusing industries didn’t create them in the first place 🤨 That’s literally why people who are against animal abuse boycott these industries. No semi-intelligent person believes that some day 80 billion farmed animals are going to be bred by farmers in order to be released into the wild 😂😂😂 Not only do you sound like a complete doorknob every time you write something, you’re also defending animal cruelty while doing it 🤡🔫 Do yourself a favour, delete all your comments before someone screenshots them and sends them to your mom and she disowns you 😂
TheUnknown If you want to try to convince a lion not to eat a zebra, go right ahead 😂 I don’t control what lions do. What I can control is that I’m not going to abuse animals that did nothing wrong to me because a lion ate a zebra in Africa. Are you actually trying to justify unnecessary violence against animals because “lions”? 🤡
TheUnknown Seriously?? 🤨 You’re actually suggesting humans should base our morality on the actions of wild animals?? If a lion rapes another lion, humans should rape each other too? Or if a lion kills their baby, we should kill our babies too? Robbing people is also ok, I suppose? Suggesting humans should act like wild animals in order to justify animal cruelty has to be one of the stupidest things I’ve ever heard 🤡😂 We have moral agency, a lion does not.
TheUnknown Ok… I’m screenshotting this convo and submitting it to the 2021 YouTube awards. Pretty sure I’ll win for being a part of the most ridiculous conversation EVER on YouTube. You literally said, “If an animal can eat other animals and we are animals, why can’t I?” Those are your words. You said that dumb shit. Then, when I pointed out how completely idiotic your statement is and called you a clown, your response was basically, I’m not a clown, you are 😂👏🏻👏🏻 Actually, you’re 100% right, I am a clown for wasting my time here 🤡 🤡🤡 I’m out.
@Animal Rights Animals eat animals that how life works, yes we are omnivores but it’s a choice. Simple as that if I wanted to stop eating meat it would be my choice not yours. If I wanted to continue eating meat I will and there’s nothing you can do about it. 🤷🏼♂️And that’s how most people have been raised anyways, meat is the thing mostly cooked at home from what I’ve seen. What makes it wrong for us to eat animals if other animals do it too? We’re technically animals. How’s it wrong for us to survive?
@Dafaqq Of course its your choice to pay for an animal to be abused and killed for food/clothing/entertainment. Just like its my choice to personally abuse or kill a human. Is it a good choice? No. Because theres a VICTIM involved. Tradition argument doesnt hold, humanity have done lots of fucked up things in the past. Im sure you wouldnt justify slavery or murder of humans. But when its non human animals you're fine with it, cause you value their life so little, even less than a fucking sandwich.
Non human animals dont have access to supermarkets dude. They need to eat animals to survive. You dont, you can choose to eat plants instead. Besides, do you usually get your morals from animals? Do you always walk around naked, greeting people by sniffing their butts and occasionally eating your own babies? You cant justify an action because "animals do it" when you dont wanna copy anything else.
@Animal Rights Never said I value them less than a fucking sandwich 😂😂 never said I agree with how they’re killed or if they’re abused all I said was “if I were to turn vegan it’d be my choice not yours” because it seems like you vegans want to force everyone to eat plants which buddy it’s not going to happen. Simple as that don’t assume things, you literally make no points talking about slavery or the murder of humans when it comes to eating animals they’re not the same. You don’t kill a human for food do you? Unless you’re a cannibal but it seems like you’re vegan. And you said I get my morals from animals? Buddy you’re actually crazy 😂😂you’re bringing up all these arguments and retarded shit just because I eat meat.
@Dafaqq well you made a bunch of points for eating meat so I was simply responding. im gonna break it down really simple so you understand. do you buy sandwiches with animal flesh or their fluids on it? cause if you do, yes: you value their life less than a sandwich! and you very much agree with how they are killed or abused. otherwise you would be vegan.
nobodys forcing you to do anything. vegans are NOT the ones forcing knives against the throats of the innocent. vegans are NOT the ones that vote with their dollars to have someone exploited and killed against their will. we are simply telling you to stop supporting it. who cares what they are killed for? its always wrong to kill, is it not? or is it OK to kill a human for food, is that seriously your point??
YOU are the one who brought up animals eat other animals. I simply asked If you would use the same justification for their other actions. seems like you dont
@Animal Rights Main point was we have a choice but ok. Second of all y’all literally trying to force people to become vegan 😂😂😂. If they eat meat you harass them and say they’re terrible people. And I do not pay for “someone to die or be abused” the animal has already been killed by that point. I might eat animals but that doesn’t mean I agree with abusing animals, what? I eat meat, yes I simply think if you’re going to kill them, you should kill them quickly with no pain. And don’t justify killing humans using what I said about a painless death because they’re not the same. It’s way different when you kill a human than when you kill an animal and if you believe it’s the same thing then we’re done here.
@Dafaqq the animals are killed because people are paying to eat their dead bodies. if people didnt pay for meat and dairy, these industries wouldnt exist, its basic supply and demand.
I haven't said we are the same. but the choice is not between killing a human or an animal. its between killing an animal or eating plants. the animals doesnt wanna be abused or die, and we have no right to take their life from them. just imagine if you were in their position. vegans are so loud and "forcing" because if we wont speak about this, who will? the animals are screaming but nobody is listening to them.
Pyrocynical made a good point in one of his videos, vegan activists always pull up the argument that we're killing animals shooting them in the head and cutting their throats, he said that when people go to the store and they see bacon or chicken wings, they see them as just food, just meat, and not an animal. But if you give them a gun and tell them to go kill a pig most people would not do it. I feel like there are certain animals we are morally allowed to eat, like god created them so we could improve our health and lifestyle, like how diary products are healthy and essential, or like how chicken eggs are considered one of the healthiest meals for us. Cows, Lambs, Chickens, Pigs, Turkey etc. are imo okay to eat, unless you are muslim or jewish like i am a muslim so we can't consume pork. What we should stop is for example dog slaughter houses, which is what led to over inbred dog breeds that have difficulty even just existing, living and breathing. We shouldn't treat other animals badly, like burning down/ cutting down forests for personal interest, like the iconic blue parrots from the Rio movies no longer existing on the outside world. Point is the argument that we are killing them is as wrong as it can get, we don't see beef as Bob's Cow Larry, we see it as a piece of meat to be cooked medium rare that would go with some fine wine.
@ॐ Boi you're literally a Hindu smh. You shouldn't even have a say in the cosmological argument. CosmicSkeptic can't even stand by his own beliefs and here you're encouraging people to watch his debates 🤔 the next minute he claims to be agnostic but then goes back to being a brainless atheist like he doesn't make any sense lol
There’s a reason Christians are vegan, in the Bible in one of the very early chapters in genesis, god gives Adam all animals so that he can name them and they are his to do whatever he wants with them. The Bible states that, there’s some Christian’s that are vegan and that’s fine. But there is major religions that believe in being vegan, so therefore we should not start a war. Like JD said we all have our viewpoints and we are all human when it comes down to it, we just need to set aside our differences and realize that we are family! Doesn’t matter what kind of food you eat, we’re family!
Mocking someone’s beliefs is wrong. Even if you don’t believe in veganism it is disrespectful to go to their restaurant and disrespect their beliefs. This was a horrible conversation. Dijion kept cutting him off and talking over him.
As a vegan for 2 years since I turned 16 I think its everyone's right to have there own lifestyle and beliefs, I love animals so I don't eat them, I like the diet , and I feel really good about it , You eat animals cus they taste good and that's that! Keep up the good ass content Jidion! all love out here, also you should try it for a week or 2 and document the experience I think that would be interesting to see, and it might make some of those extremist vegans happier lol
Don't be a pick me vegan man. Either be against violence or not. Its good that you yourself aren't contributing to it but don't be hyping up other people for doing it or just easily dismissing the impact of their choice to harm others by just being like "oh yeah its all good what you do its just your lifestyle blabla".
In most of the bible when they talked about slaves you have to remember the bible was translated from the hebrew language and this had a different meaning then, a “slave” was a servant, obviously there was slaves like we are familiar with in that time frame as well, but when the bible refers to slaves it is talking about servants. correct me if i’m wrong
I believe that it is bad to cut animals and eat them and that people should change. But you should not force anyone to change and instead let themselves go through that process. I believe that eventually people will understand this and shift towards plant-based meat, but it's gonna take time because we can't change overnight.
Ok, the Bible doesn’t justify slavery. In those times, “slavery” in Israel was a way for someone to repay a debt they owed with labor instead of currency. Slavery was not racially based and when the “slave” fully repaid their debt they were free to go. The Old Testament was meant to serve as a temporary means of direction for God’s followers until Jesus came and after he rose again the Old Testament was no longer meant to serve as the main way for people to earn God’s favor. God bless yall
But it justifies hitting your slaves and treating them inhumanely “When a man strikes his slave, male or female, with a rod and the slave dies under his hand, he shall be avenged. But if the slave survives a day or two, he is not to be avenged, for the slave is his money. Exodus 21:20
@CLIMZYS In the social structure of ancient Israel, physical punishment was considered the appropriate response for acts of disobedience and rebellion. The y weren’t just beating their slaves as they pleased and treated them however they wanted as a matter of fact, the verse you just quoted was one of many verses in exodus 21 that were condoning violence and setting boundaries for what was appropriate violence and unacceptable violence. Either way, the OT was a temporary means to get by until Jesus came, and once he died and rose again, the Old Testament was no longer the primary and only source for followers of God to go to heaven, but the New Testament and the commandments of Jesus replaced the Old Testament. Hope you have a blessed day:)✝️
Tbf he could’ve given a really good rebuttal to the Christianity topic by explaining that there wasn’t a means of mass murder in Bible times & the killing of animals was much more ethical & thought out.
Jidion should have said what about other animals slaughtering other animals for food. They suffer worse death than the one we humans do to put on our patty.
One of the only/biggest reasons I eat meat still is due to the fact that if the animals had the chance to eat me, they probably/most likely would. Although, the abuse is disgusting.
David Ramms made great solid points. There really is no reason for us to be killing and eating animals. If we could live a happy and healthy life without harming animals, why wouldn't we?
@Kids Snyder ik it isnt good to eat meat your whole life which is why I mix things up, I eat vegetables and meat and btw I am also christian and your point is so right since it's actually from the bible
@GlitchedExploiter_YT every single nutrient you need is found in plants. And almost always in greater quantities per calorie. Also for significantly less money.
@Cameron MacDonald idk I feel like there's a reason elite vegan athletes are rare. And then lots nutritionists that say a plant based diet is the best still eat fish/chicken.
@ElClashh Depends what you mean by "rare". The NBA alone has Kyrie Irving, Chris Paul, Tobias Harris, JaVale McGee, among many others who are all vegan. Some of the strongest men on the planet, who enter strong men competitions are vegan.
@GlitchedExploiter_YT There's lots of nutrients in meat, but there's also lots of nutrients in vegetables, and more of the really important nutrients in vegetables.
@Cameron MacDonald for us meat lovers it's not that simple,first is the taste,you cant beat the flavor that meat provides,and it makes us full too,proteins take longer to digest,if I go vegan I'll be starving frequently
@sayajin most of every single vegan used to eat meat, and what you said "taste" and "satiety" are what all of us have overcome. And they are really non issues. Taste - vegan foods are amazing if you give it a chance. If you crave the meaty taste, you can get it from fake meats. "satiety" - this is simple, eat larger portions until you're full. Vegans simple have realized that an animal's life is worth more than simple problems like taste and convenience, and I can guarantee you, that it's really easy to be vegan. You just need to form new habits and you'll soon be regretting why you haven't gone vegan sooner
@BlackCobra there is no way any vegan can force you to go vegan, just like how no one can force you to be a non racist, or non child abuser. Vegans merely point out that if you're not vegan, then you're abusing animals, and that's an immoral thing to do.
@Happy Cats I can't see them animals as being more than a protein source for me,I'm comfortable and happy with my food habits as how they are and I'm very sure it's gonna stay that way. But with that said,I respect your beliefs and appreciate you for doing what you think is right for the animals,props to you for that.
@Happy Cats bad argument. Your attached to your pet, you love your pet, you even feed your pet beef so it can eat, you dot eat your pet so you dont think of it as a meat source.
@freddysanford All animals are deserving of our kindness. Why love one but eat the other? All animals suffer the same, regardless of whether they are a dog or a pig.
@Milf Muncher good as in taste good? Why kill animals for your own personal taste pleasure? You can get vegan options that taste just as good, without killing animals.
@Happy Cats Oh nah, you’re not picking up what I’m putting down. I will uproot those smug plants and raze terror among their species. I will take out entire ecosystems, grazing on their lifeless, wilted husks. I will pollute oceans with mountains of nightshade, belladonna berries and other undesignated fruits and vegetables. I will ruin as many ecosystems as I can, they will soon fear me, Ringwormboy15. My reign of veganism has just begun.
And maybe, when I’m done, I’ll enjoy a nice steak dinner. I’m all for equality, plants and animals both deserve pain. Also, meat is tasty fr, like chicken deserves more credit.
@Happy Cats Yes, I’m vegan but I’m decided that it’s too bland and needs thing to spice it up. I will revolutionize the vegan industry. So, I started eating chicken in my veggie wraps, sometimes I put some beef in my rice bowls, and put tuna in my salad. It’s honestly a pretty diverse diet, I wonder why vegans haven’t tried stuff like this before?
@ringwormboy15 as a vegan I have a varied diet, one that does not kill, and harm sentient beings unnecessarily. Choose to be kind, stop hurting animals and be vegan
@ringwormboy15 hmm, that means you like being hurt, which is okay if that's what you like, but you don't have to hurt others. Especially if they don't give you consent
@Happy Cats wanna bet? Plants feel pain but you still eat them. Animals feel pain. What’s the difference? Are you gonna let tons of domesticated animals out into the wild, and let them get folded by a predator? Also if you want people to be kind, why do other carnivores eat each other, want them to eat plants too?
@Happy Cats Again, you totally ignore my previous argument because you have no answer. Plants when uprooted, cut, etc, their receptors send signals to their cells to let them know they are being perturbed. Now can you answer my argument?
@Happy Cats I just explained and you’re basically saying the same thing, and your ignoring my previous argument. So gonna answer or you gonna say “cHoOse tO bE vEgAn be kInD”. 🗿
@ringwormboy15 I also explained but you're not understanding. At the end of the day, you can choose to be cruel, or you can choose to be kind. Be kind, be vegan
@Happy Cats You did not counter or explain my argument, what do you want for the animals? Freedom? You want domesticated animals to go into land they’ve never been to? That would mess up ecosystems, and they’d most likely get folded backsavage by a predator.
Also, eating meat does not make you a horrible person. Like if I eat chicken, I’m not some godawful person who is a danger to society.
Again, plants do have receptors that sense when they are being disturbed, meaning that they do feel you disturbing them. While they do not feel pain like us, they are still sentient.
Lemme just ask this carnivore lion to stop hurting and eating other animals. You don’t diss on animals for not being vegan, so why care?
P.S: I know you gonna hit me with that “choose to be vegan be kind”. So in advance, just don’t. You’re being repetitive and not actually answering my questions:
@ringwormboy15 all your arguments are easily debunked. If you pay attention, you will understand.
Animals are currently bred into existence. If you stop eating them, they won't be bred into existence, and therefore you won't have domestic animals in the wild
If you eat chicken, you are choosing to kill a sentient being for your taste pleasure. Why choose to be violent, and cruel when you don't have to?
Plants have no brains, and no nervous system, and therefore is not conscious and does not feel pain
Carnivore animals have no choice, and no moral agency. But you do, you can choose to be a kind and moral person. Why choose to be cruel and violent instead?
Choose to be kind, why hurt animals when you don't have to? Be vegan.
@Happy Cats Ok, but they are conscious, why else would they respond to water and the sun? Why else do they reproduce? They are living beings. Plants are also selectively bred so what’s your point.
Animals have shown to have moral agency. There are many cases of animals helping other animals and species. If they have a brain, they can think, meaning they can make their own choices. They have evolved to suit their diet. I’m not gonna force a tiger to eat some salad. That’s just the food chain, it isn’t violent or cruel, it’s just life.
I am not choosing to kill a chicken, I just simply eat the chicken. It’s not violent or cruel, that’s just how it is. I’m not actively going out of my way to hurt a sentient being, it’s not like I folded it with a MP5.
It is true animals are being bred into existence but if we stop eating them, you’d just have a bunch of domesticated animals on the loose. Now, they would either be invasive or be driven to extinction since the traits that they were bred for would quickly diminish, leaving most livestock extinct. And I called it in advance, I knew you would hit me with the, “choose to be kind be vegan🗿”.
I also feel like you don’t understand the definition of violence. The definition is “using or involving physical force intended to hurt, damage, or kill someone or something.” I did not go out of my way to kill livestock.
Also, by your logic, why choose to kill another sentient being (plant) and be cruel when you don’t have to. Why hurt plants when you don’t want to?
Let people eat what they want, being vegan is for self-improvement, and the betterment of livestock right? So don’t shove veganism down other people’s throat.
@Happy Cats Ah so you finally realize plants are sentient, yet you still partake in eating them? You are violent, their blood is on your hands. You think they wanted to die and be eaten by someone like you? Many plants are cut down and uprooted for people like you, very interesting how you want people to be kind, but partake in genocidal tendencies yourself. Very interesting, very interesting indeed.
@Happy Cats Yes, a tiger has a brain which allows it to think. Meaning, it can choose not to eat animals, but is specifically evolved to eat other animals.
I have not chosen to kill the chicken, I did not partake in folding a chicken backsavage. That’s like saying if I was on a plane, and someone hijacked it and flew into the World Trade Center, am I responsible for the hijackers actions?
If people stopped eating animals you’d have a surplus of domesticated animals since they are no longer being killed. For example, there is only a few wild cow which aren’t really wild since they are cows that have escaped captivity or been born in the wild. If they stop breeding cows and let them free, most of them will die to an environment they’ve never been exposed to since they were genetically engineered for other purposes. I guess you are right the number of farm animals would reduce, because they would be extinct. I’m pretty sure you don’t want an entire species to die.
Plants don’t want to die, they wanna spread that good good, AKA pollen, so why you still hurting sentient beings? The street goes both ways partner.
Humans have evolved to become omnivores, so what. Completely cutting out meat is an extreme, meat is not that bad, (unless it’s red) the industry is what makes it bad. I do agree that the meat industry is cruel, and exploitable. Though, going to blame people for being violent when they aren’t and forcing veganism down their throats is pushing it. Who cares if you eat grass, plants, or shrapnel? Sharing your beliefs is great, but literally forcing people at gunpoint and guilt tripping them is not going to make people vegan. Take it easy, being a goober isn’t going to stop the meat industry, but you can still speak on it without stomping on others beliefs.
@ringwormboy15 Plants are not sentient, they are living things but not sentient. Why choose to be violent to sentient beings when you don't have to? Choose to be kind, be vegan.
@ringwormboy15 You're not a tiger, you don't have to eat animals. You can choose to be kind.
When you choose to eat a chicken, you are paying someone to kill the chicken for you, that's why it is violent and cruel, and you don't have to do this.
If people stopped eating animals, animals won't be bred into existence, so the number of animals will dwindle down to nothing.
Plants are not sentient beings, so they are not conscious. They don't experience pain.
Humans can live very easily on plants only. Millions of vegans around the world prove that you can be kind, you don't have to kill animals.
Choose to be kind. Why be cruel and violent when you don't have to? Be vegan.
@ringwormboy15 Of course I read it, but you have to understand, why choose to be violent, when you can be kind? Why choose to be cruel to animals? Choose to be kind, be vegan.
@ringwormboy15 Animals are our friends. If you could live happy and healthy lives without harming others, why wouldn't you? Choose to be kind, be vegan!
@ringwormboy15 I've already addressed all your queries. At the end of the day, you have a choice. You can choose violence and cruelty, or you can choose to be kind. Be kind, Be vegan
@ringwormboy15 here's my thoughts, regardless of all that, you have a choice. Your choices are to be cruel, or to be kind. Why not choose to be kind? Be kind, be vegan
@ringwormboy15 sure I do understand, your misunderstanding is quite common among non vegans. Which is why it's better to think about it as a choice to be cruel or to be kind. Choose to be kind, be vegan 💚
@Happy Cats Nah I don’t think my point is ever going to cross your mind, you probably don’t even have a response, or didn’t even read it. Might as well not argue with you anymore.
Just to let you know your attitude is not convincing people to be vegan, like I might have seriously considered being vegan until I came across you. Guilt-Tripping and blaming people for what they didn’t do isn’t how you convince people.
@ringwormboy15 Your responses are very common non vegan responses, I think internally you do feel guilty for hurting animals. I really don't think you see no difference between plants and animals. Why choose to hurt animals when you can be kind? Choose to be kind, be vegan.
@ringwormboy15 proved what point? I'm sure we can at least agree that if we can avoid harming others we should right? And if we can live kindly, then we should? Why choose to be cruel, when you can be kind? Be kind Be vegan.
@ringwormboy15 Every single day you have a choice. Why choose to hurt animals when you don't have to? Why choose violence and cruelty? Be kind, be vegan
@ringwormboy15 looks like you don't want to answer my question. You know you can justify choosing violence and cruelty over being kind. Be kind, be vegan
The bible does not justify slavery, it does mention slavery because at the time the bible was written slavery was common, and the person in the bible that addresses slavery says that God says anyone who harms a slave should set him free, and that you should respect and treat a slave equal. Also, it says in the bible that god freed thousands of people from slavery. So, no the bible doesn't support slavery
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Jacob B2021-10-27 17:02:25 (edited 2021-10-27 17:02:45 )
Mark Wilson just look at the evidence in the world that supports what the bible says, im not telling you to take my word for it.
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Crazy Alex 76672022-07-29 03:09:21 (edited 2022-07-29 03:09:33 )
Discussion was nice and all but feel like there wasnt a really an proper acknowledgment about going to a vegan restaurant and cooking meat is just wrong. People have the right to different beliefs and safe spaces to practice those beliefs if they’re not harmful
I see where you're coming from JiDion. Two things hypothetical can be as extreme as you want, it's used to point out contradictions in aspects of your moral framework, 2nd would you be alright with mass slaughter of dogs (which isn't even unrealistic in China for example) because god says it's alright to eat animals?
@Jake Exactly right. It's also expected that people share strong bonds with theri own race and have some inherent level of racism. The question may then become whether we think these prejudices should govern our morals to the extent where we cause mass suffering to other individuals for some pleasure and/or convenience. I feel veganism is overdetermined in most people's values
There is literally no winnable argument against veganism. Just look at Joey Carbstrongs youtube channel of hundreds of debates. 99.9% of people are against animal abuse and uncessary killing. As long as you believe this and are still not vegan than you are a hypocrit.
I find it weird how people always forget to say that for millions of years and evolution it was normal for carnivores and omnivores to eat each other and survive by doing that. Aninals eat other animals constantly, and since humans and types of monkey evolves basically from the same ancestor, aren't we a type of animal as well?
I'm not vegan and not going vegan but the vegan her has a point when he says the Bible was written thousands of year's ago because now God sent hi son to sacrifice himself for our sins so now we don't have to sacrifice a lamb
Yk I actually thought JiDion was gonna mess around during the pod cast and just crack jokes and keep it cool, then it ended up getting pretty serious and a discussion went down.
I'm not a vegan but I will say this. A ton of people grew up in a religious household and we were told "Animals have no souls".. these same people grew out of the religion but decided to keep that belief that animals have no souls.. the truth is the animals are just less intelligent, but they still feel pain/suffer and even tho I do eat meat (and i have tried going off it, and it resulted in me feeling very ill) I do hate the idea of slaughter houses and what happens to these poor animals.
U can be perfectly healthy without eating any animals. U just need to have a well planed diet. Make sure u get all the different plants u need to reach all nutrients needed. Also any major change to your diet takes time for your gut bacteria to adjust.
The Bible literally states that you’re allowed to buy slaves and beat them to near death. It also gives clear instruction on how to beat a slave. One guy freeing slaves doesn’t erase the fact that Jesus supported it.
@yuh yuh i think you are confused Jesus was in heaven when slavery was happening. When he came to earth and died and rose from the death for everyone’s sin. That’s when people got mad because sin, is the only thing that can legally let people do whatever they want. That’s why the apostles got hunted down, because they were spreading the truth. Sin nowadays is a choice, back then (Old Testament) you couldn’t be holy unless God called you or your people to live in holiness.
@yuh yuh you do know that was the Old Testament? That’s why Jesus came in the first place to replace the ways of the old testament and the laws in it. Not only that, but it wasnt like the slavery we saw in America they were more like indentured servants. Not justifying it but y’all can’t judge how things are back then when those are things are which were deemed as normal and based on class. whereas slavery in America was based purely on racism and prejudice.
@Carbon000 lol he didn’t correct himself he corrected the world and how it was. Don’t ask me any questions you aren’t gonna believe no matter what answer I give you because you’re wasting both of our time. Ask him maybe you’ll get a clearer answer?
not supports justifies lol, slave owners used that bible verse to justify slavery as homophobic people do now to justify it with their religion. nothing has changed.
@yuh yuh The slavery in the Bible was not based exclusively on race. People were not enslaved because of their nationality or the color of their skin. In Bible times, slavery was based more on economics; it was a matter of social status. People sold themselves as slaves when they could not pay their debts or provide for their families. In New Testament times, sometimes doctors, lawyers, and even politicians were slaves of someone else. Some people actually chose to be slaves so as to have all their needs provided for by their masters.
@Matt Diaz Exodus 21:20-21 “Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, 21 but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property.” I’m assuming the social structure during ancient Israel allowed physical punishment and was seen as an appropriate punishment for disobedience. But to me this sounds a bit harsh; since the Master can beat their slave nearly to death and not be held accountable. Also, i feel like this would incite slave holders to continue physical abuse, which in my eyes most physical punishment/altercation (unless in self defense or for sport like MMA, Boxing, ect), especially when done out of anger, is sinful. Idk though, I’d love to hear your interpretation of this text; since I’m not extremely knowledgeable about the Bible.
@Sheeesh 5.0hhh if someone was beaten "near death" they wouldn't be able to recover and perform their duties in just 2 days. And by your interpretation of how most punishment is carried out, being out of "anger" or of sinful desires, would that standard go the same for parents of children? As they are also instructed to not "spare the rod of punishment." (Prov 13:24)
@Matt Diaz that’s a good point and I was taking it into consideration when reading this text; about the recovery time of 1 or 2 days. Also yea, I’m not a parent but I’d never raise my hands on my child (there are other better means of disciplinary actions that don’t involve physical punishment), but I have raised my hand out of anger against my brother once or twice in my life and I was regretful about it afterwards; so I am a sinner in that sense but iv learned from my mistakes to not let my emotions get the best of me. Overall, your reply mostly cleared my confusion about this text so I thank you for that!
@yuh yuh That's not what God says, my dude, that was a paraphasia of the law of those ppl. it's not saying it's right or wrong, it's mentioning the law. It's not God's law.
Not to mention slavery in the time that the Bible was talking about wasn't an EVIL thing. When the Bible mentioned slavery it was talking about servants, and saying how to treat your servants. Definitely was not talking about european level slavery where they raped men women and children and was insanely unjust. Which is why Moses freed the slaves who were being treated unjust. If the Bible glorified that kind of slavery then there would have been no point for Moses to have freed the slaves
@yuh yuh Jesus never supported it and it also says in the Bible to not buy or sell humans. I see why you think slavery is not a sin but in the Bible it's talking about people that need to pay off debt and work for someone and they should be in peace not beating them
@yuh yuh the bible’s been changed to fit the roman’s views tho.. i’m like 99% positive it wouldnt have said that before the bible got changed cus even the quran aint bout that slavery shit
@Sheeesh 5.0hhh what bible version is that? because the one my religion uses is king james bible and i dont remember seeing that there. could be wrong tho
@Peeb slaves had heavily edited bibles because the Bible’s message is about redemption and freedom. If slaves learned about Moses they would’ve rebelled even sooner.
Also it’s not homophobic to think homosexuality is immoral. We don’t hate people because they’re different.
@islu! Ephesians 6:5-8 Paul states, “Slaves, be obedient to your human masters with fear and trembling, in sincerity of heart, as to Christ” which is Paul instructing slaves to obey their master." I'm also kind of christian btw.
@Peeb Look up the etymology of the word slave in the Greek. It’s not chattel slavery like what we had in America. It’s indentured servitude. People often sold themselves into slavery to pay off debts.
Exodus 21:16 “Whoever steals a man and sells him, and anyone found in possession of him, shall be put to death.”
1 Timothy 1:8-10 “Now we know that the law is good, if one uses it lawfully, understanding this, that the law is not laid down for the just but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who strike their fathers and mothers, for murderers, the sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, *enslavers*, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine.”
Chattel slavery is condemned.
Also you can’t be kind of a Christian. It’s either you are, or you aren’t. You can’t kinda be saved. It’s black or white.
none of that changes the fact that american slave owners still used it to justify slavery. also "kind of Christian" as in open to the idea of a deity or higher power existing, but there is more than likely not to be disrespectful or anything.
@Peeb Slave owners literally created a separate “bible” that was missing half of the text. You can’t blame that on the Bible. That’s just the slave holders being evil.
@islu! i read all your shit perfectly but the verse I referred to was used to justify slavery as bible verses are used now to justify prejudice against gay people.
yup, and it's really talking about "servants" not slaves. people who had debts they couldn't pay off had the option to become a servant to pay it instead.
@Peeb you are honestly disingenuous just because a protestant hebrew uses the bible to justify slavery doesnt mean the true church and her teachers are flawed you are not a christian at all your an evangelical or protestant who separated from the one true Orthodox church no one here should care for their interpretations of verses even if your interpretation is 99.99 percent correct the church fathers interpretation will always be superior to what you think.
@Yurzys Ephesians 6:5-8 Paul states, “Slaves, be obedient to your human masters with fear and trembling, in sincerity of heart, as to Christ” which is Paul instructing slaves to obey their master. This is one of the ones supporting slaver. dude said jesus supported it and that’s not true, but their are verses in the Bible in support of slavery. These verses were used in the antebellum US to get black people to be subservient to their white slave owners. So yes their are verses in the Bible used to support slavery, and there are also verses condemning it. Such is the contradictory nature of the holly book.
@Ramiro Esparza Read the bible Jesus came to unite both Jews and Gentiles. Today's Jewish people are not the same Jewish people of Mose's days that is for sure, for one they never had a big skin cancer problem back then.
@yuh yuh "slavery" back then isn't the slavery you're thinking of. They were employees. Back then they called employees slaves. You would also be considered a slave if you had to work for someone to pay them back for debt
@LegionOfGod Google it - it’s all online to research and study 👍🏼 The Bible is amazing, but it’s a piece of historical literature and art and nothing more. It’s pretty f’d up in a lot of parts too. But it makes sense - it was written super long ago. Times have changed.
@Yurzys The Christian Mythos was written by a fictional deity via ghost writers though? Anything told through there by virtue is being told the the Jehovah character.
Iirc, Jesus is supposed to be said deity itself, though not all fans interrupt the lore the same.
@yuh yuh that’s a damn lie, the Bible never encourages you to literally BEAT A SLAVE TO DEATH, the Bible Doesn’t condemns slavery but it didn’t outright say it was wrong either, slaves master were to treat their slaves with compassion and respect, and the slaves to their master as well. It is also important to note that majority of slaves back then were slaves because they owed someone something and couldn’t pay the price, so now they work their time.
“animals get shot and throats slit everyday” He repeats it thinking that we, normal people, give a shit LMAOO I'm sorry guy but we on top, that's their purpose for us. They give us pleasure and substinence.
Watching this makes me sad I live on a Cow farm but no all animals are aboused we let them die naturally then take the meat of them after they are treated very well
@Dyringatory Religion is indoctrinated. I understand why you think that way and feel the need to call everyone with a different belief other than yours a redditor. Such a weak attempt to shut down further discussion. How bout puttin your brain where your mouth is and tell me and all the other "redditors" what gives YOU "enough" reason to believe in such a thing. For me personally I dont just simply believe in everything I'm told because everything I'm told is potentially compromised. I know absolutely nothing of god or any religion for that matter other then what other people have told me and people are just such an inaccurate source unless you have some sort of irrefutable proof. Literally no difference between santa clause and God. Blind faith.
Then why did my house burn down and my nephew died and now I live in a shitty RV depressed as fuck and think about suicide every single day? Fuck god, aint fuckin real smh
@Dee Znauts that’s something i cannot argue with. gen z (me included — i’m agnostic myself) are WAY less religious than say, baby boomers or the silent generation
@Kase God is real to most because of confirmation bias. If something good happens, it must be God. If something bad happens, it must be your fault or part of your journey.
@CLIT DESTROYER Yeah out of the entire thing “The Bible says so” was the worst argument that someone could bring up. It’s literally one of the most ridiculous ways to counter an argument, I’m not saying this because I’m vegan (I’m not) nor am I an atheist either. It’s just one of the stupidest things one could say during a discussion based on morality.
@CLIT DESTROYER not fully, his argument to that point was that the Bible should be modernized, Jidion got him when he contradicted himself when he said that the Bible shouldn't be modernized, despite that being his argument. Other than that, good point by the vegan guy.
@pli wer Vegan dude was just trying his best to be respectful of a religion he doesn’t believe in. He criticizes it internally but can’t actually say that he thinks the Bible is stupid because he’ll be bashed for it.
Bad argument, the dudes counter argument was actually valid because Christians don’t have to sacrifice lambs anymore after Jesus died for our sins (the ultimate sacrifice); he should’ve used Islam since it’s meant to be taken more literally.
@C "The Bible says so" actually isn't a bad point when having a discussion based on morality tho. You can see where most peoples socially constructed "morals" come from when you take a look into the Bible.
@Juhuurd True but on that same note what does that say about someone when they base their moral compass on a book entailed with erratic decisions in favor of a god.
If someone killed their son now and said “god told me to” then best case scenario they would be sent to a mental facility. “The Bible say so” argument falls flat when you don’t actually follow what the Bible says.
David Salinas “Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you.” You gunna eat me too? lol. That’s literally my point, every intelligent Christian knows everything isn’t supposed to be taken literally and doesn’t translate 1:1 to current times.
I hate when vegans be like "you're killing living things" but they're also killing small bugs and bees and PLANTS just to satisfy their own selfish morals. Not all vegans are like that though my baby sister is just not a fan of meat she doesnt like it. Not because animals were harmed but she just never liked meat.
7:23 on this it’s not talking about “slavery” in the sense we know it as today it was closer to indentured servitude, and slaves were to be given homes and treated properly, the verse most commonly taken out of context is context Deuteronomy 15:17, which talks about the process of if a slave wanted to stay with their master because they treated them well
“Animals get shot in their head and their throats slit for food” but in the wild they’re eaten alive, poisoned, drowned, the list goes on, all for food, it’s the food chain, not everyone has to participate in it but there’s no reason to act like it’s such a terrible act when some people have to do it or they won’t survive.
Yep especially up the north when u can’t really grow herbs in some cold ass areas. U really need meat for protein to survive the cold when before colonization came so I understand they kill pigs for food cuz we over populated af but again I understand the vegans side too cuz i love animals, but when things are desperate for survival u have too. Like the old ancient native american way
Not a vegan but wild animals aren't held captive nor do they live just for us to eat them after living in terrible conditions. What some people see as immoral about eating meat is the mass production of conscious beings. I don't really care about the animals themselves but climate change is what worries me the most.
@Aikuisviihteen arkkipiispa animals do not get there throat slit😂 lmfao and when they are shot in the head it’s something called an air gun or something. no bullet goes in their head it’s just a lot of pressure and one spot. it isnt a painful death it is instant
@DeeVuitton if you've ever seen how they kill pigs in Brazil for example, you'd know that it's far from a painless quick death but that's not how it is in every country obviously.
Yeah but these animals are bred and genetically modified for the purpose of death. The meat industry raises animals in terrible conditions and then slaughter them to be eaten. And it’s done in small land mass with a large mass of animals. It’s fucked up, not natural at all.
playing devils advocate I think the point of being vegan is improving the quality of life of animals by allowing them to live free before they die, not to stop them dying cause that’s gonna happen either way. if you have seen chicken farms that shit is brutal
I kinda get Davids point. The bible was written in a time where overconsumption didn't exist and eating meat was something really special. You don't have to stop eating it but at least be conscious about it.
Ik what he meant by the animals dying isn’t a belief but being vegan is a belief because they believe that animals shouldn’t be killed but the video was pretty good
The vegan guy had decent points. However, JiDion couldve said something like “in nature, carnivores and omnivores eat meat. Nothing unnatural about eating meat”
@Steve I’m not even a vegan or vegitarian but I think most people don’t question if it’s natural or not. just that mass production of cattle etc is bad for the environment and the way in which they’re treated is morally wrong. So that wouldn’t have been a great response either ngl
@T EK ABSOLUTELY. Vegans need to be more vocal about this. The agricultural industry is horrible for the environment as its not only unsustainable and uses up too much freshwater, but its the primary contributor to climate change. Vegans need to be more vocal about this.
JiDion just could have at least tried putting up a better argument.
@T EK I never hear vegans say that when arguing with ppl and it’s disappointing honestly. Im not vegan myself but i do limit how much steak and shit ill buy and stick to mostly eggs and chicken, as well as shopping locally. Usually vegans try doing it for “animal rights” like the guy in the vid said, which tbh is not a great point when we naturally eat meat. Their living conditions are definitely controversial, but they are also killed instantly, a painless death, when using certain methods. Its the methods by which we produce and transport meat, especially beef, thats an issue.
@Steve you’re using an appeal to nature fallacy, this is the idea that what’s is natural is therefore “good. Hurricanes are natural but they aren’t then good for for us. Also rape is natural, violence is natural, other animals eat their young to avoid competition etc. So again something being “natural” has no relevance to what is good or moral. So that’s argument doesn’t hold up or else’s you must agree that any “natural” event or action is therefore good. Which you don’t agree with so…. Try again 👎💚
@17x Reborn you don’t need to kill animals, just because an action will always happen doesn’t make it moral to participate in that action. Being smarter than someone isn’t a justification To violate their autonomy (this is ableism). Being vegan isn’t more expensive if you stick to grains, legumes such as lentils beans, chickpeas. Oats, apples, bananas, lettuce, tomatoes, cucumbers, radishes, sweetcorn, pasta, bread, berries etc.
@JustRoberto thats more speciesism then ableism if we’re talking about a cow. And we all sort of commit speciesism all the time as most of us believe human life is more valuable literally because we’re smarter. My point is speciesism is very complicated because then bugs and life of that nature come into the argument and in a way you’ll almost always be human-centric
@JustRoberto not to mention your also killing plants and using them for food which is also life and you technically violate plants because they dont have a nervous system(while some animals like sponges dont have one either) so again we go back to speciesism. I agree slaughter houses are to much but at the same time what is “humane”
@Saiology if we’re using “intelligence” as a metric for moral worth then that’s undoubtedly ableism. Claiming to believe human life is worth more doesn’t automatically mean that other animals are then worth nothing and it’s okay to rob their existence and exploit them…
@Saiology yeh so if you value plants it still makes sense to be vegan as to reduce overall harm as we use more plants when we also exploit animals… I really don’t know what you’re trying to conclude? If you had to choose between a bean chilli or kill a cow for a beef chilli what’s the most ethical option?
This vegan dude is trippin He is obviously saying your religion is outdated I am a believer as well and that dude is not understanding your side of the argument 😂
Think about the second amendment, a lot of people it’s outdated because how “different” times were there’s always going to be one side that believes a way, then the other side that believes the opposite. No point of waisting time, when no one is wrong or right because what is real is just what someone we have never known said it was right.
You know what, if you get ptsd from cutting up an animal that's pretty sad. Its pretty gruesome I'm ngl but if you kill the animal before hand and then dress it and skin it its really not that bad. I was pretty young the first time I saw someone do it and it was a bit gross and horrific at first but whenever you realize that its giving you food and nourishment it makes you feel better about it. I think the way people mass produce livestock and have them in poor living conditions is wrong but at the same time meat is very nutritious and has a lot of benefits. If humans weren't meant to eat meat then why were we given the ability to. I mean most meats you can eat raw. I think a lot of animal rights activists just dont use there brain tbh.
I mean the slavery that the Bible talks about is not the same as slavery that was experienced in early America. In the Bible slavery was for people who had been in debt and they work to repay their debt. Once the date was repaid or seven years of their service had passed they were free to go. There’s other types of slavery mentioned in the Bible, but those were not justified.
I just finished watching a video of a lion eating a pigs intestines while it was still alive, why in the world would y’all vegans prefer that over what we do?
The thing is, is that animals of all kind are meant to die, life is a continuous cycle of life and death. Its the circle of life, the predators feed on the prey, the strong feed on the weak. Its just how nature works.
I'm not vegan by any stretch, and I don't care if they don't eat meat. The problem is when they start getting aggressive over your choices or gatekeeping veganism by knowing what is and isn't vegan and starting arguments with others over it or trying to force it on others.
I doubt any meat eater is happy with the concept of an animal being poorly treated and in inhumane conditions, then made to suffer in their final moments. Sure having to kill animals to get meat sucks but it's something we've done since humans walked the Earth.
if he believes in veganism and that he's protecting animals, good for him, but he shouldn't go around and push that onto others and claim his beliefs are factual and others are outdated or simply not :/
A great debate I saw with a vegan was that would they feed their cat or dog meat as that’s what the pet needs biologically as a carnivore and the vegan said yes because it’s animal cruelty if they didn’t feed the carnivore meat soooo the vegan would buy meat for their pet but be mad at a human who wants to eat meat as it’s in our human instinct/evolution to eat meat 😊
Even if everyone did go vegan it wouldn’t be sustainable and it would cause a work market crash since economies kind of rely on food markets since it’s such a big part of its society
The other guy makes me want to try more vegan options. Jidion was respectful but I don’t think he understands veganism isn’t a religion. There have been countless videos and document put out regarding the cruel and unusual treatment of animals in these slaughter houses. Many were closed down and many forced to change their practices. From what I understand the point he was trying to make, veganism is a goal. Great video!
pretty ironic that he mentions we should sacrifice a lamb for the most high and by david rams logic he would be going against his religion if he didnt but then wouldn't having sex before marriage also be against your religion? but ur proud to be a raw dogger lmao, also im not vegan or david rams fan, just curious
Not a vegan but if I were arguing for that side I would bring up the environmental impacts. Like the amount land use to grow the feed for the animals and grazing, plus water consumption, and also methane released from cows all create negative consequences for our planet.
Most of time livestock are killed in large numbers in butcheries, so nobody waste time to slip troats or waste bullets. They usually use pneumatic spikes or electricity. Trying to present simple butchers like Al-Kaeda :D
He said the bible promoted slavery, last time I checked God freed his people from slavery, just because slavery is mentioned doesn't mean it was supported.
@Raika yes it was. Search up "how to turn a negro christian" also the Hebrew Israelites who were Africans made the bible. It was stolen and changed many times over hundreds of years.
@Xurs Exotic yeah that's true because people took it and used it to their benefit (the white man). But even Jesus took the israelites out of slavery from Egypt you know
@Khumo no he did not. Are we talking about the bible jesus or the real life jesus. The irl Jesus was just a god fearing man in a time where people weren't believing in god. That's the only reason he was written as "God's son." Jesus did jack shit. The Egyptians were African in appearance too. Also fact; the African countries you see going through it are paying their debt in karma since thise were the african countries who enslaved people.
The vegan guy seems better than a lot, but got a couple things wrong. Some people do go vegan for the diet, it’s not all people who don’t believe in not harming animals like he stated. Also, him saying “objective truth” is cocky and untrue
I don't get why you can't agree that killing animals is wrong especially now that there are other methods for food, and just cause its wrong doesn't mean you have to stop eating it. I am eating a steak right now 🤤
He took it well. Sure as hell better than I would’ve 😂 By the wayy some of y’all pretty misinformed thinking you can’t have a varied, healthy plant based diet 🤨
Animals arent actually sliced in the through, they get a nice metal rod into the brain real fast and painless like. Meat stays delicious when that blood stays in em.
To every vegan I just want to say this, how do you think animals die in the wild? Most of them are eaten, shot, poisoned or suffer long painful deaths to the build up of injuries. This is actually one of the better ways you can live as a animal being fed, sheltered and away from preditors till you die.
low key jidion is speakin fax. vegans shouldn’t be focused on the ppl who buy, when the animals are still going to get farmed & killed anyway. and obviously they’d stop farming them if they got no money, but its not going to change, you cant change all meat-meaters and just get them to stop buying meat when it’s so simple to do. just a worthless argument tbh, eat what you want and let people eat what they want. the world is still going to go round. & i love animals to death, but why even think abt it that much if it bothers you, logically speaking it isnt going to change. respect if anyone can actually change it but i doubt it.
People need to understand that its part of our nature to eat animals because they are our prey. If we didn't then there would be an overpopulation of animals. What I think everyone can agree upon is the cruelty and mistreat of those animals is wrong.
Most slaughter houses slaughter with instant death. To say they are shot in the head and then their throats are slit is true, but it’s more of an exaggeration to subtlety hint at animal torture which is not the case.
jidion love the videos, just wanted to point out something about sacrificing animals as a christian we don't have to do that because Jesus paid the ultimate sacrifice for our sins so we don't have to sacrifice animals any more. and i am a meat eater lol
and touching on to what the guy said, yes the bible agreed with slavery but the slavery back then was more like working off your debt. It’s not like they were being forced to do another’s bidding. It’s the same as going to a restaurant and not having money so you end up washing the dishes.
I think if a lot of these vegans should talk more about the environmental aspects of not having meat. And not just the constant back and fourth talking about morals.
Ok so he is right about modernizing some things from the Bible but also keep in mind since jidion is apparently Christian which I’m glad he believes in the Bible. The Bible says the an animals soul is not as worth as a humans soul so killing a human is far worse than killing an animal(depending on the moral you’re doing it for) we should take care of animals and we shouldn’t abuse them as they are still gods creation but god gave us animals for food.
@Mike Miller If they do it in the name of God. They're not Christians. If they've done crimes, sent to prison and repented, and are sorry of their actions, then they deserve respect.
@Bogi Man If I was perfect, like God, I could. In theory, a Christian should be able to forgive and forget. But God knows our limits. But to answer your question, I don't think I'd be able to. I don't think it's truly possible to forgive a murderer. But in the end, it's not either if I forgive, it's God who chooses.
@alex burke Again, if you read my comment, people change. you cannot compare a person from 10, 20 years ago. Again, throw the first stone if you are without sin.
Why yall disrespecting my man, he believes what he believes and u believe what u believe. Ur going against exactly what jidion was saying in this video😂
@JgPapi Anyone can say that they "believe" in God but not respect him at all. His whole channel is evidence of that. I'm not one to judge (because I'm on his channel while enjoying his content like you guys) but it's very easy to say that and not actually be active in faith. Here's what Jesus said if you wanna show how much you love him: "If ye love me, keep mu commandments" -John 14:15"
@alex burke if they repent and see the light after atoning for their sins (Serving A Sentence) they shall be deemed a Christian and a good person the famous saying There’s No such thing as bad people it’s just people who make poor decisions is simply a saying indicating that everyone in the world has sinned and has done bad all on the same levels on heavens standered if you ask for forgiveness and truly repent for your sins you will be saved meaning you will be lifted of rape,murder,stealing,etc
@Bogi Man no and that’s because we are humans we don’t have a say in this no matter how biased you are God isnt and never will be his standereds is different then ours meaning Stealing A Candy bar is just as bad as Stealing a Plane or Thinking about Murder is just as bad as committing ting it
@Sean Mensah Bonsu I agree, plenty of people say they believe but they don't show any respect at all. That's why people should judge others by the content of their character and personality first rather than religion and appearance.
@JgPapi Even the crazy ass murderers and child rapists priests and horrible religious people out there? Dang bro you gotta reevaluate how you respect people lol
U should’ve brought up the nutritional part of eating meat and how u need those nutrients and even if u can take supplements the nutrients in animals are much better for us and our body’s are designed to digest the meat in animals because of how we evolved our bodies get the most out of the things it’s evolved to digest and one of those things are meat from animals
bruh im just saying several species kind need us to survive, deer repopulate pretty fast so hunters have to hunt them to make sure other animals can survive and sheep were bred to produce too much wool so they would die of heat stroke if they weren’t sheared and shooting something in the head is an insta kill in most circumstances but also i doubt animals are shot in the head it just seems like one of those things people say that has no factual backing they’re just trying to make as gruesome of a scene as possible
Adolf has changed he's reformed normally he would say yes as he would classify them as the 'inferior race' big respect to my boi Adolf for changing his ways.
Mad respect to Jidion for believing in the Bible, it was also very agitating when he said the Bible was written 1000 of years ago what he is basically saying is that we are outdated but if u look at other religions like budisuhm that was created a thousand years ago and he did not say that it was outdated
Cows don't get their throat slit (obviously). Cows that are practically already dying get killed in the most humane way possible. They don't just torture it
Well here’s my rebuttal, Jesus came to die for our sins so we don’t have to do any burnt offerings. You can eat meat or be vegan it’s not going against God. With this said jiDion was trolling the whole time.
Heres the thing with religion and veganism. Not believing in a religion doesn't not hurt anyone (except arguably yourself), while not eating meat leads to less animals suffering. It is not even comparable to compare someone trying to convert another to a Christian and a vegan trying to convert another to being vegan. Christinanity is based on faith and beliefs, while veganism is based on the fact that animals suffer when you eat meat.
Plants can feel pain too though. They’re also living. Whenever you eat plants, yes it might be less messed up than eating animals but you’re still killing a living being that can feel pain.
@Andre C. it’s not a guarantee but since plants can feel things that touch them there is a strong possibility that they can feel a type of pain that we can’t comprehend.
What vegans do by abstaining from animal products and exposing animal farms with POOR conditions is necessary but they’re obnoxious about it sometimes. It feels exactly like being judged by religious people ew
In Leviticus 11, the Lord speaks to Moses and Aaron and sets out which animals can be eaten and which cannot: “You may eat any animal that has a divided hoof and that chews the cud. There are some that only chew the cud or only have a divided hoof, but you must not eat them.
animals are not shot in the head, they actually have needle stamp that stamps into their head and retracts leaving a whole and instantly keeling the animal which is scientifically proven to have impact of tortue and is the most humane and is 100 not painful because everything happens less than 2 seconds
Ok I didn’t actually care about what he said until he started saying things about the bible that are simply not true. Things such as ‘the bible justifies slavery’. He never read a line from the book but found some article online saying how the bible is bad, without doing any actual research
my personal view is that we are higher on the heircechy, we can eat animals just the same as predators eating herbivours, there isnt a "moral" choice there is only a choice that will keep you alive. morality is a human and animal construct, at the end of the day all we are doing is passing energy from place to place.
I wouldn't say it's 'only a choice that will keep you alive' since you can live without eating animals, although you'd have to be especially careful about maintaining a balanced diet
Preston W first of all im not causing suffering im eating the leftovers, two this isnt a human construct passing energy and eventually reaching high entropy is a universe thing not a human thing, morality is a human construct however and even though I am calling it that im still a human so im gonna conform to it which makes me a hyprocrit. and also humans cant live without eating meat, meat is a valuable protein source that aids in muscle growth and provides important nutrients we need to survive, some people who dont eat meat have health issues that their doctors ask them to address by eating meat. (also predators eat meat and cause suffering so you have no grounds to call this a moral issue while other animals do the exact same thing).
Preston W well not exactly not living without thats my bad I shouldve said it better, I meant to say health problems. any diet needs balance which includes meat red meats white meats etc.
I get the argument that animals who are slaughtered live in inhumane conditions but I don't get how vegans can talk about "slitting animals throats is evil" when every single carnivorous animal kills other animals to sustain themselves.
not only does the bible talk about the passover but there is a scripture in Genesis that talks about killing and using animal products for good. for containment (population). We are not to just kill as we please because it is a fun game, we are to utilize God's creations and use them for our survival.
I can respect vegans when they dont want animals tortured, but if we didnt have animals to eat we cant survive we would be extremely weak eating just plants, even if we are advancing animals are not some extremely intelligent creatures they are just apart of the food chain and happen to be under us if they were above they would eat us with no hesitation.
This guy believes no one should have freedom to eat food they enjoy. Shooting an animal to eat them is a lot better than a wild animal tearing them to bits while they are still conscious. Idk this guy has an case of I’m right you’re wrong while I’m just trying to not starve
I highly believe and know for a good reason Gods and Jesus will for COMPASSION is much higher then sacrificing any kind of living on that planet! The problem with you humans is, you believe more in your Religions then in your GOD ! Compassion is the key for real PEACE. So go and sacrifice your EGO if you want to get you answers!
Bless you guys stay healthy and care for others! Thank you alot !❤🌍🌞
The vegan made it very clear. Believing in a religon isn't hurting anyone (most of the time). Not being vegan is causing death to animals that don't need to die because we can simply eat plants to survive. Sure Jidion knew more, but none of it justified killing animals for no good reason at all.
@TVideoupload I just said he's logically more sound because he talked about victims. You can do whatever you want but when there are innocent victims than you are in the wrong
I think the animals deserve the freedom to live their lives out however they can.
I don't think it's good that we forcefully breed them. Genetically modify their body to produce more milk, eggs, meat. And treat then horribly. And put them under extreme stress and pain just for a quick burger. When none of it is necessary.
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I've watched and liked the vegan trolling video but the vegan guy is right about everything as even myself I started a few months ago some type of flexi-vegan diet ( introducing more vegan products into my diet but still eating meat sometimes) as I can't pretend to be an animal lover and be ok with the way they're being treated. They can't speak but they're so intelligent and therefore it's not ok. No one would be ok to have their cat or dog slaughtered for meat but because it's a pig( pigs are smarter than dogs) it's suddenly ok?
Yeh I try my hardest not to eat pig. Cow too. Those two are the worst for your body as well, we can’t process them the same & they have a LOT of the unhealthy fats. They’re also bad on your brain if you eat too much of it.
“These animals have been shot in the head and cut in the throat” Ok well lions eat other animals while there alive but no one gets mad at them. Humans have to eat too.
Stop self promo and go build your channel yourself. I’m sure your videos are great but no one likes someone that self promos and leeches for clout. Elevate.
Thats like going to an organization that stands for human rights decked in human skin leather and human hair coats. What you suggest is mad creepy and a shitty thing to do. Violence against innocent sentient beings is fucked up and wearing the products of it like a trophy is worse.
Damn I have been following Jidion for over 6 months and absolutely love his videos BUT the whole “lol bacon” eating meat infront of vegan type jokes are sooooo stale and low hanging fruit, it’s not comedy gold it’s just super immature and literally every vegan ever has already heard it. People are standing up for what they know is right and reducing animal suffering (while also helping the environment and health) and there’s not a single valid argument against veganism. It’s not a matter of what one person believes vs another, such as religion- it’s all 100% scientifically proven to be the best way of life, and I recommend anyone who thinks otherwise to do some research and watch some videos on YouTube on the subject to get more educated/inspired.
Y'all stay mad at us for eating animals but what about other predators like lions, cheetahs, alligators, eagles, snakes and the many other apex predators that hunt animals every second? what you finna do, try to talk them into not killing and eating animals?
@shoobadoo123 watch dominion, you will see how animals truly live. You have been lied to, it’s nothing like the happy cows you see in advertisements, or on your uncles farm. There’s nothing natural about factory farms which is where 99% of the population gets it animal products. Hunting cannot be done by this large a human population so we need to move onto eating plants as a whole.
@Heated Up Mikey Lee We also need meat to stay alive bruh, and y'all be acting like they don't suffer as much when they're out there in the wild not being eaten by humans. If we don't eat them then trust and believe that some other predator is gonna eat them.
“most people don’t want to do that but the ones that do have ptsd…. blah blah” that’s utter bullshit, my dad worked in the abattoirs and he doesn’t in the slightest have ptsd, if anything he misses what he used to do.
@Joseph Molina as someone who eats meat I think humans =/= animals we have vast differences one being intelligence if you make the case humans = animals then it’s moral to eat meat because other animals do it. We don’t follow this logic because animals do a lot of things that are harmful to humans but non harmful to them such as eat their own poo or incest.
Jidion I thought you had to slaughter a lamb before Jesus came back. In the Bible it says that before Jesus came back in order for your sins to be forgiven you have to sacrifice a lamb. We don't gotta do that shit no more😂😂
Yeah in the old testament people would slaughter lambs as a sacrifice for forgiveness. When Jesus died on the cross for us he died for our sins and our suffering. So now we don't need to slaughter lambs because we can just accept Jesus into our life.
I ain't vegan, but just saying that you don't need to sacrifice animals in Christianity. The ultimate sacrifice was Jesus Christ so we don't need to kill animals to be cleansed of our sins. Your vids are insane man keep it up! Love ya
The main argument he was trying to get across was correct. Obviously it’s hard to articulate what you mean on the spot so he did slip up in some parts. The vegan guy was saying it’s morally wrong when he cannot justify morality himself as there is no way to prove morality without a god. Jidion’s argument holds true as there is no way prove his viewpoint as morally wrong if you have don’t have a standardized set of morals across all of humanity.
Jahmal DIAZ-RIVERA Religion counts as his beliefs and where he achieves his values. I'll give you that he didn't articulate it very well but anyone with a brain can see his point. LOL
Eating meat is natural. Its a part of life, the cycle continues regardless. They do realize animals kill other animals for their meat right? We ain't nothing but mammals. Well some of us are canabals and cut other people open like cannalope. I want steak now.
@los_reyes What?? You just jumbled up a bunch of buzzwords as if it makes more sense now. Instead of just pointing out how ridiculous what your saying is, let me just ask do you have anything to substantiate your argument?
I don't think anybody has ever said eating meat isn't natural, obviously it is, but there is a difference between a lion hunting down a gazelle and eating it and the forcible impregnation, mistreatment and mass slaughtering that happens to the animals we eat, most vegans don't advocate to not eat any meat whatsoever for everybody. They'd just like for meat to be ethically sourced, also were getting pretty close to being able to recreate the flavor and texture of meat in a lab using plant based ingredients and if it ever gets mass produced there's really not much of an excuse to continue supporting the unethical treatment of the animals we eat, I'm not even a vegan, just trying to understand their perspective somewhat yknow?
@los_reyes Veganism predates “the atheist postmodernism SJW woke mob” (whatever that fucking means) upon that they couldn’t have even created any of the things that you listed because it simply does not exist. Combining multiple buzzwords doesn’t make what your saying valid… you know that right?
Atheism is its own separate thing and directly related with religion
I’m not even sure if you even know what SJW and WOKE even means.
@C The act of not eating meat does predate the postmodern neo Marxist and SJW’s. But neo-veganism has different motives, it has become an identity, a way to virtue signal, a way to show how righteous and kind you are. In fact I would say it is associated with leftism.
@C Actually athiesm, postmodernism, sjws, and woke culture are directly linked together. Seriously, how did you not have the common sense to see the similarity?
@los_reyes “I’m not saying any buzzwords” is that really the hill you want to die on? Especially after I even provided the literary definition of a “Buzzword”
“These aren’t hypotheticals”
Followed by “I used to be a vegan” and “Walk up to any of these SJW’s” like seriously take a break from the internet.
@los_reyes There actually was an argument as well, I asked to actually further explain you claim/argument about how that “woke postmodernism—“ led to veganism along with the other things you listed. Did you suddenly forget that?
@los_reyes OF COURSE it doesn’t describe what your doing, I never said that. I said you were combining buzzwords. Which you were, because they are in fact buzzwords. The fuck are you even talking about? The definition doesn’t describe what your doing because that was never the purpose of it. The purpose of it to show you that those words in which you used ARE in fact buzzwords.
“The definition does describe what I’m doing though” that’s because it was never intended to. I’ve never meet someone as clueless as you before.
@C The definition doesn’t describe what I’m doing, but you yourself said that I’m using buzzwords, so therefore what I’m doing is using buzzwords, so saying doing is perfectly reasonable.
@los_reyes OF COURSE it doesn’t describe what your doing, I never said that. I said you were combining buzzwords. Which you were, because they are in fact buzzwords. The definition doesn’t describe what your doing because that was never the purpose of it. The purpose of it to show you that those words in which you used ARE in fact buzzwords.
“The definition does describe what I’m doing though” that’s because it was never intended to. I’ve never meet someone as clueless as you before.
@UCi6uyJZmwouLWAV6v2RefNw A basic term that everyone with some common sense know what postmodernism, SJW, woke, vegan, and atheist mean. Seriously, there’s no buzzword.
@los_reyes Being a buzzword doesn’t change the meaning. Also YOU just explained how it’s a buzzword “everyone with some common sense know what — means”. They are fashionable words used as a generalization of a group of individuals.
Buzzword: word or phrase, often an item of jargon, that is fashionable at a particular time or in a particular context.
In case you don’t know what [Jargon] means: special words or expressions that are used by a particular profession or group and are difficult for others to understand.
It doesn’t matter how long it’s been around, it doesn’t have to be new for it to be a buzzword, the qualification for it is it being “fashionable” which they are.
@C It is your perception that they are buzzwords, but in reality these aren’t buzzwords these are common real terms for people, such as Atheist, Vegan, SJW, and Postmodernist. And like a typical Social Justice Warrior you insult my brain. Lol. Well it was fun shelb.
@C I’m not using any of these words as buzzwords, I’m using their real definition the real definition is still pretty obvious despite the word’s overuse.
Social Justice Warrior refers to members of the Social Justice movement who see themselves as brave and noble crusaders, but really don't accomplish any good and usually do the opposite. Most are keyboard warriors, doing nothing but virtue signaling on social media. If they're feeling particularly energetic, they might go scream at people and pull a fire alarm to shut down a debate or opposing viewpoints while chanting mindless slogans like zombies. This is where the real harm comes from. Because they actually do shut down all other viewpoints than their own when given the chance and they never debate or expose themselves to any views outside of their own “safe space” bubble.
@los_reyes Stop arguing with this guy dude, he literally trying to sound like a smartass by calling those names “buzzwords” when those are actual terms that exist
@los_reyes bro stop being stupid jus cus ur a vegan doesent make u a SJW feminist.im vegan and i don’t associate with any of that. Have ur own thoughts and opinions dint just box urself in because of others perceptions of what a ‘vegan’ might be.
@freemit No shit, that still doesn’t mean it’s not a buzzword. Also he didn’t even give a proper definition, he created ones in which cooperate with his argument. But go along and run with that though.
“the postmodernist SJW WOKE mob” isn’t proper terminology either…. Just so you know.
You don’t even know what a buzzword is yet your trying to correct me?
@freemit “those are actual terms that exist” yeah no shit. That still doesn’t mean it’s not a buzzword. Buzzwords aren’t created words. They are words and or terms that are fashionable at the time. Which is clearly stated in the definition I’ve given twice.
I’m getting “salty” because he’s wrong, your inability to see that doesn’t make you smarter.. just so you know. It’s actually appalling that you think the person that created their own definition for established terms is correct but I digress. I’m not your teacher.
“Postemodernist atheist sjw woke mod” is the equivalent of me saying “gamer BLM Christian mob” both are composed of words in which have no link to each other. Just because you believe it’s right doesn’t make it correct.
We ain't nothin' but mammals, well, some of us, cannibals Who cut other people open like cantaloupes But if we can hump dead animals and antelopes Then there's no reason that a man and another man can't elope
@C I think you’re going too far with this, I don’t see how using a buzzword is bad and weakens his argument, but secondly I don’t even think centrist is using these terms as a buzzword. I mean it is true that the typical vegan is somewhat a social Justice Warrior and atheist and has a postmodernist view of the world. And calling him small brain doesn’t make you look better.
@lolz You don’t see how he’s using them as a buzzword? He started off by saying “Atheist postmodernist SJW woke mob”. Upon that his definition given of said terms where completely inaccurate and convoluted with his opinions. Also there’s no evidence to support the typical vegan being a “sjw” and is an atheist. Your forming that connection. Also he said I lack proper reading skills and “how do you not have common sense” multiple times yet when I insult him it’s a problem? I have attacked the base of his argument but then he completely went off topic about whether it is or isn’t a buzzword. I then reiterate the literary definition and qualification of a buzzword yet he still attempted to debunk it with points in which main consists of “it can’t be a buzzword, it’s already a word” (not a direct quote).
So yes I joke about his brain capability and I don’t really regret it. He’s made jabs at me so I made jabs at him, which is funny considering he commented about me attacking his “brain” even though he did the exact same.
@C For a guy who thinks hes smart you sound awfully repetitive and not intellectually supererior as your trying to be legit you look like a kid who's saying "remember that toy you took from me." when both kids are fighting about a nintendo switch like shut up.
Also the topic was whether or not veganism is ethical and whether the subject makes sense on the opposing side your fighting about buzzwords when you literally said "can we get back to the topic" my guy your just as repetitive as him you need a break from the internet no one cares.
@Kyojuro Bakugo im not trying to sound “smart” and or “intellectually superior” and yes I am repetitive because im repeating the same thing over and over, In fact I’m pretty certain I even Said I was repeating myself.
The topic was never about veganism “being ethical”, it was about how “atheist postmodernist sjw woke mob” was the creation of veganism, sjw mobs etc. But please do show when it was.
@C He’s not using them as a buzzword, and he’s not changing the definition of the words he’s using. I have many friends who are SJW’s and they classify themselves as atheist and postmodernist and vegan, veganism as a phenomenon has accelerated its growth as a movement with tangible changes in society, on our high streets and in our shops. As equally has a palpable political alignment to the left come with it, likely due to a supposed common alliance in their liberal stances and egalitarian core.
Since its roots in the French Revolution, the left has stood for equality, class struggle and the protection of people from abuses of power. In contradiction to this, typical notions of conservatism bring to the fore thoughts of injustices within capitalist society: vested interest, multinational corporations, financial empires, and powerful lobbying groups such as the meat and dairy industries. This alignment with the left thus resonates with vegans’ disapproval of exploitative practices, the treatment of animals as mere commodities, their killing for monetary gain, wrapped up in the theory of speciesism. Furthermore, parties of the left have historically aligned themselves with more progressive and liberal movements such as the waves of feminism. This has led to a particular demographic picture within such parties, who challenge contemporary norms in the hope for a better world. In a 2018 US study, 52% of vegans identified as a liberal. Three-quarters of UK animal rights members are women. Rooted in social injustice, veganism questions common perceptions on ‘how it has always been’ in the food, drink, cosmetics and fashion industries.
On to postmodernism, postmodernist believe there is no objective reality, and that whites, blacks, Asians, etc have their own truth and that truth is subjective, this forms the Social Justice Warrior, the social Justice Warrior has a postmodernist view of the world and believe there is no objective reality, so they make statements such as that there is more than 2 genders and that it’s a social construct, when an individual disagrees with this statement the response of the postmodernist SJW is to attack the person since it is invading the SJW’s own “truth”.
Postmodernist are almost certain to be atheist since there is no objective reality to the world and believing that there is no higher being and that the universe was a random explosion makes believing in a subjective truth much more reasonable.
As you can see The statement “postmodernist SJW atheist” makes sense, lots of sense, and you are so quick to call this a “buzzword” but it isn’t, he’s actually using the correct definition for each on these terms and not deriving from the true definition.
He didn’t insult your common sense, rather he was showing how simple the terms he used are to understand with proper research.
@lolz I’ll be respond to your comment in full but how can you sit here and say he’s not using them as buzzwords and that he’s not changing the definition of the terms? Read the comments he’s made, specifically the one where he was explain what the term “SJW” refers, it’s the one with the large 2nd body of text. Also your friends are indicative of a whole group of people
@AizakkuZ there are unethical ways yes, killing someone by cutting them a thousand times and letting them bleed out would be unethical as compared then painlessly killing them
@C Hes not changing the definitions at all. He got the definition of SJW pretty spot on. It seems your a little biased in your reasoning. Just research the definition of the terms, he got the terms correct. He’s not using them as buzzwords. It just seems like you’re the only one viewing it as a buzzword and reaching your own conclusions.
@lolz To quote him “Social justice warrior refers to members of the social justice movement who see themselves as brave and noble crusaders but really don’t accomplish any good and usually do the opposite. Most are keyboard warriors, doing nothing but virtue signaling on social media” shall I go on and finish the rest.
Are you honestly telling me that’s the definition of what an sjw is?
Also if “athiest postmodernist sjw woke mob” could all or at least mostly be simplified into a single group then why didn’t he do that??
@lolz I read your entire comment and what I find wrong about it is the equlaivences you draw between different ideologies and groups I.e Vegans and Athiest so you can establish the link. Being a vegan doesn’t inherently mean your a atheist in fact I would actually ask you if you had any evidence or statistic that show there is a direct correlation between the two. On that note with your reasoning your making it seem as if vegans are athiest because they are vegans rather than “most vegans are athiest” which there is a difference. That is what I find wrong with your linking of the different groups and ideologies if I’m not mistaken your doing this because all can be under the umbrella of “postmodernism” (correct me if I’m wrong on that).
What your essentially saying is Sjw are vegans, vegans are postmodernist, postmodernist are atheist. If you provided statistics to prove this then this would be a entirely different conversation( about the linking of these terms, not about if they are buzzwords or not).
Also I’m not calling “Athiest postmodernist sjw woke mob” a buzzword, I’m saying it’s composed of buzzwords.
As for your text surrounding his insults. You say he didn’t insult my common sense yet he very clearly stated I lack common sense so how exactly does that work? I hate how you rationalize his insults yet irrationalize mine because they are more brazen. Just because he says I’m doing something rather than I am something doesn’t mean it’s not a clear insult.
You also address potential biases I have, which I’m curious on how considering you said you have friends that are vegan and that are atheist which could possibly conflict with how you formed your conclusion. Also what conclusion was I forming by saying it was a buzzword?? The conclusion was that it’s a buzzword, I didn’t form a conclusion around that because that was the conclusion. That was what the original argument derived into.
@M C made in a lab exactly what I want to eat. Something that was made in a lab lol. Source my meat from farmers who have old cattle that they’ve got to put down via shooting them. About as ethical as it gets. What a lot of vegans tend to forget is we play a huge impact into the eco-system. We stop killing animals and they start to overpopulate. In the state I live in we have all year round coyote hunting season right now due to the fact that they’re overpopulated and are killing off majority of the deer population here. We are never gonna get to a point where we aren’t gonna have to step in and do population control on a certain set of animals because we’d literally allow them to extinct themselves.
Y’all had a whole essay debate on some one saying vegans are sjws in some paragraph like cmon this is the Jidion channels let’s not be so serious if someone replies to this thing with a paragraph lol
@C So how big is the left-right divide in meat consumption? New figures from a 2018 Gallup poll provide excellent estimates of vegetarianism and veganism in the U.S. Overall, 5 percent of Americans consider themselves vegetarian (i.e., do not eat meat), with another 3 percent considering themselves vegan (i.e., do not eat any animal products, including meat, milk, eggs, etc).
The story gets all the more interesting when you look at ideological differences. Among liberals, 11 percent are vegetarian, but only 2 percent of conservatives are vegetarians. (see Figure below). This is a staggering difference, with liberals 5.5 times more likely to be vegetarian compared to conservatives. A similar difference is observed for vegans: liberals are 2.5 times more likely to be vegan than are conservatives (see Figure). Obviously, political ideology is a very strong predictor of meat consumption. This pattern has two important implications. First, our previous research (Hodson & Earle, 2018) shows that those on the political right are more likely to return to meat consumption because they report a lack of social support. Given that people associate with those similar to themselves (what we call “homophily”), liberals tend to hang out with liberals and conservatives tend to hang out with conservatives. As such, liberals truly will find more social support for the goal of avoiding meat consumption in their social circles. In 1940, the Vegan Society was founded in the UK, and explicitly linked themselves with science and logic-based reasoning. Later thinkers like Peter Singer and Tom Regan made fully-secular arguments for veganism. In the current era, the movement is made up mostly of non-religious people, but it rarely chooses to highlight this aspect.
The author of this paper uses a recent survey of vegans from the US to examine the animal rights movement in the country. 287 respondents were counted, all of whom were vegans living in the United States. The majority of respondents were white and heterosexual, and the majority of those that reported their gender identified as female. 72% of male and female respondents identified themselves as being atheist or agnostic
Veganism is much more than what one chooses to eat or not eat, chooses not to wear, chooses to forego for entertainment and chooses to purchase in terms of cosmetics and household items. Veganism at its core is about justice. Veganism is a social justice movement that places an animal’s right to be left to his or her own devices as the center of justice. As such, advocating for veganism is much bigger than convincing individuals to become vegan – not that this work isn’t deeply important. It’s about fighting against the industries that profit from the use of animals. It’s about fighting against the governments that protect the rights of those industries to use and abuse animals. Ultimately, it is about reaching a public that allows and perpetuates the abuse of animals, and educating them about speciesism. Speciesism is the core belief in the inherent supremacy of humans. It is what justifies the confinement, torture, and murder of billions of animals for food, clothing, entertainment and research. The idea that human beings are the center of the universe and that animals are a sub-species is unethical. History has shown us what happens when one race or country, for example, sees themselves as superior. Genocide happens. What has been happening since human beings began to breed, raise, and kill animals has been a continual genocide. This genocide has been going on for thousands of years without a pause. In fact it is increasing with human population growth and industrialization. So veganism is a social justice issue that requires active efforts to eliminate speciesism. Justice and equality are not going to come to animals by manipulating people through health claims, environmental reports, personal spirituality, or other promises about how going vegan will help that individual. Justice is not about self-serving acts. Justice is about the greater good, in this case, the rights of animals. When someone makes a dietary choice for their own self interest, animals lose. How do animals lose? Diets and health choices change like the direction of the wind. I am avoiding gluten for dietary reasons. If I get tempted, or have a glass or two of wine, I may cheat on my dietary choice and eat some gluten. But no matter how much wine I drink, I will not cheat on veganism. Why? Because veganism is an ethical choice that is outside of my personal interests. I am vegan for animals. https://thethinkingvegan.com/veganism-is-a-social-justice-movement/
So yes, veganism is inherently associated with the left wing social justice movement.
The majority of vegans and vegetarians are not religious. But, why are so many vegans atheist? There hasn’t been a definitive study on the reasons for this, but many argue that atheists are guided by their own moral compass, rather than one laid out by religious scriptures. Because of this, some conclude that it is unethical to use animals, and therefore follow a vegan lifestyle.
As for postmodernism, postmodernist believe that there is no objective reality, and to be a postmodernist you have to be an atheist.
To conclude, when he said “atheist postmodern vegan SJW’s” he wasnt using buzzwords, he was using the proper definition of the terms he was using, not once did he change the terms. It is easy to conclude that a postmodernist is an atheist along with an SJW along with a vegan. In fact they are happy to proclaim they are all these things.
As for him insulting your “common sense”, you did that yourself. Not once did he call out your ability to use common sense, he said anyone with some common sense knows he used the terms properly. So before being so quick to calm him out for using buzzwords, next time research the terms he is using.
I honestly am siding with the vegan guy here. He kept his cool and calm the whole time it honestly seemed like JiDion was just tryna over talk him the whole time.
Some people say be a carnivore some say be a vegan forgetting humans are omnivores we need both meat and veggies and killing other living things is just nature
Don't plants have life... watched 1:10 and was like yo plants have life. Next it's gonna be don't water have life too. Bruh society is to sensitive. Good video jidion! That nigga is a haren
At 0:57 when the guy starts talking. The animal is already dead it’s not like jidion is personally choosing the animals to be killed. And when the animals die it is very quick and the animal dies immediately
The animals don't even feel it, a cow becoming my burger is the most purpose it would have ever served. It's either that or it get killed in the wild. It's one or the othet
Fr like I don’t work for rhat but I’m pretty sure they don’t do that for food. Unless it’s to end the pain but still that guys obsessed with that sentence
@BlazeOnLimez yikes guys, your head is in the sand because they absolutely do do that, watch dominion on YouTube and have your minds blown and hearts shattered.
So because some people get treated like shit we should torture animals? That's the most flawed logic I've ever heard. The best solution is to clearly just help dying people have better , more humane deaths. Not keep torturing animals because some humans are in pain when they die.
yea, but we can stop supporting the industries that kill the innocent animals for no good reasons
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lil nug2021-08-18 07:25:22 (edited 2021-08-18 07:26:04 )
@Sarbjot Singh and what? Realease them to the wild so that other animals can eat them. Or that they become an invasive species making it harder for wild animals living in that area. I agree that what we do to animals is cruel, but there are consequences if we just freed them
@lil nug It's gonna be a gradual shift. It would be ridicoulous to release them all.
How about just let them live out their lives and not forcefully breeding them into existence like cows that are raped.
You think we have over 20 billion livestock animals naturally? You don't have to worry. If we don't force them to breed and grow they will dwindle down real fast.
How about if we used that logic with slavery? We can't free them because ......
You are saying we should't stop immoral act because it would be very hard to stop. Well then we should do the really hard thing and stop.
@Sarbjot Singh ik you didnt just compare animals with slavery🤦🏽♂️. Even at a "graduale shift" they can still become an invasive species and wipe out other animals in the area. Especially animals like pigs, they would spread fast and that wouldnt benifits the wildlife.
I agree force breeding is messed up. That is how americ is, all about corporations, and needing more and more to make money. The systems messed up, but at the end of the day it's a dog eat dog world
@Sarbjot Singh also I saw. good point a guy made on this comment section. Saying that being vegan isnt amazing either, higher demand for plants and crops forces workers in third world countries to take up more space, slashing and burning, essentially killing animals, and their homes, which is ironic if u think about it
@lil nug sometimes certain comparisons are nesseccary to show flawed logic. What excused did slave owners use? They were all selfish and motivated by profit and made all sorts of excuses to oppress slaves. Meat eaters use all sorts of excuses to oppress animals when they don't need to. It's cruel to cause harm and death when it can easily be avoided.
Of course we will not let all the animals loose. Just stop forcefully breeding and growing them. You think the world naturally has over 20 billion livestock animals?
Just let them live out their lives in closed of areas. Their populations will natural decline significantly, especially with the profit motive gone.
@Sarbjot Singh yeah but u know that would never happen, the animals would be happy, but that would take a big blow on the economy. America would take time to recover. Companies would shut down, and thousands if not millions of people would lose their job. And dont say it would be a gradual change, one simply connot turn a company into a completely opposite thing. It would be very difficult and inconvenient for a company made off of the commercial farming of animals, or animal meats to turn into a vegan company
Not to mention poorer countries in africa and south America could implode. If what u say is true and supply in demand of crops decreases as people become Vegan, labor workers would lose their jobs, and in a lot of poor countries that makes up a big chunk of employment
@Sarbjot Singh how am I being a hypocrite? All I’m saying is that vegan kill plants and not let them live and they are all biotic factor so why can’t I Cant another biotic factor??? And I’ll kill any thing alive even a human but I don’t want to go to jail so yea THERES A REASON WE HAVE ANIMAL ABUSE ( we kill the animals for a reason like you kill the plants for a reason ) we don’t abuse animals
@Sarbjot Singh also you only kill animals cause you can read their faces and know what they’re saying a little and more but then you kill plants because you don’t know how they’re feeling and nor do you know what they’re saying
@HimSteven Plants do not experience pain and suffering. They dont have wants and desires. They don't care for their families.
What if I used the same logic on a innocent puppy?. They are just biotic matter? I have a reason to kill them because they are tasty.
I am saying the reason we kill them is not a good reason to kill them. We only eat them because they taste good, not because we need the nutrients. We can get all the nutrients from plants. Thousands of studies have already shown this.
Causing uneccessay pain and death to animals is animal abuse.
Jidion was just having a little trouble putting his argument into words and so was the other guy honestly, but fr like this guy can't say like oh he bought this meat meaning he basically shot a cow in the head like no it doesn't work like that like I bought this 2 dollar ground beef because it's cheap I'm broke and it shmak when I put some garlic salt with that bish, if you want me to be vegan make the impossible meat cheaper than actual beef so I can afford it, I'm not shooting a cow in the head I'm just tryna get some food in my stomach and my familys like cmon bro I eat veggies but I also need something cheap like even chicken cheap asf and we all ain't got money to be buying the healthy ahit because that shit over priced sometimes like the organic shit
He says we should be tolerant of other people's choices because there is no objective good or bad. But that's implying that tolerance is an objectively good thing... So it's a contradiction.
I don’t see “animals are being killed” as a good reason for being Vegan. Carnivorous animals including humans hunt and kill for food in nature. I do see the moral standpoint when it comes to conditions they may be raised in
And the best part is, animals dont get shot in the head or throats slit to be slaughtered. Unless its like 1 animal that a small farmer raised. But in any other slaughter house they dont get shot or throats slit. And he talked about feminism positively. Assuming he agrees with that, its funny because many animals are killed similarly to unborn babies. But animals have purpose, they are eaten for nourishment. Brain-sucked unborn babies have no purpose, they are just disposed of.
@Danny Williams Why do you believe that animals purpose to give humans nutrition. What is the purpose of your life? I don't think you would say it is to be nutrition to other animals. I think the purpose of any animals life is to do whatever they want, just like you and me.
The thing is I'm assuming you are against animal abuse and uneccassary killing. You can not avoid animal cruelty if animals are seen as products and not has innocent lives. You have been given a morality, sense of judgement, and vegan alternatives (unlike animals). Yet you still choose to go against you're own morality and cause uneccessaary death.
@AML academy No they don't, if a bullet was used for every slaughtered animal, farmers would waste alot of money, look it up, no firearms are used. And no slitting of throats either its just not effective and how is someone gonna slit an animals throat without getting hurt. It isnt an instant death
@Sarbjot Singh i believe that it is their purpose if they were slaughtered. The purlose for the slaughter was to feed people. And yea eating meat as of right now is neccessary. Your bodies need protien and their isnt enough nuts to go around for everyone to have a healthy amount of protein in their bodies.
@Sarbjot Singh Also, animals don't "do whatever they want" they have instincts to survive, they dont get bored everyday and have the emotions that we have. Of course it is evident that they have some sort of emotion but it is not comparable to humans. Animals don't have near the brain potential to act as humans do.
@AML academy Yes that is true, bit that is not getting shot in the head as the guy was implying. It is a more effective way to kill them with less suffering.
@Danny Williams " The purlose for the slaughter was to feed people". So if I raised a bunch of cats and dogs for slaughter than thats okay? That's kinda messed up man, I don't think anyone thinks like that.
There is enough protien in plants. Look at india. Look at all the vegan body builders that do not take protien shakes or supplements. Many that are probably way stronger than you.
@Danny Williams it’s actually more because most of the time it doesn’t instantly kill the animal and they have to do it multiple times while the animal struggles
@Danny Williams Pigs are smarter than dogs, yet we still kill pigs. So I don't think you believe what you are saying.
Have you heard of the name that trait argument? Essentially you cannot name a trait of some animal, that if a human had that trait then it would morally justify killing that human.
For example if a human had the intellegence of a fish would it morally justify killing that human for a quick meal, even though nobody really needed that meal to survive.
Most humans are argubally causing more harm to the planet than good, which can be considered a really dumb thing to do, therefore it's okay to kill them for a sandwitch?
Please be respectful and take veganism seriously. It's hardly even a choice when people become vegan. It is a paradigm shift, a change in perspective. We realized we were wrong in our actions and we had a moral obligation to live a different way. I can't go back on that even if I wanted to. Are you against animal abuse? Then you're already vegan at heart. Align your actions with your ethics, the only thing you'll regret is not doing it sooner. ✌️
@Sarbjot Singh This is a false equivalence to the tee, my goodness. Humans and animals are not on the same level, we have dominion over them. I also find it funny how you keep talking about “morals” when morals themselves are subjective?? There isn’t a set in stone moral code for all. What YOU might consider to be upholding your own morals, I may see as destroying my own.
@sbright21 I would assume you think that animal cruelty is wrong. When we see animals as products and not as life that should be allowed to live freely then we cannot avoid animal cruelty.
I would assume you think that uneccassary killing is cruel and bad, therefore against your morals.
If you do not hold these beliefs than that is unfortunatley and I would hope you reconsider your morals, it would lead to a happier world overall.
@Sarbjot Singh animal cruelty? Sure, it’s wrong. However, it’s not like we are killing the animals and just throwing them away (for the most part), people eat it so I don’t consider it “unnecessary”. All life is sacred to a certain extent but I don’t believe animals and humans are on the same level. We have dominion over them. I don’t like how they go about getting and slaughtering the animals but I also don’t care enough 🤷🏾♂️ mix some greens with the meat and I figure I’ll be ok. Side note, I don’t chase happiness, friend. It’s a fleeting emotion that comes and goes no matter the circumstance. I chase peace and understanding. It’ll serve you much better in life.
@sbright21 it's more than just wrong. Billions of livestock suffer everyday. It's cruelty at the largest scale. If those were dogs in the gas Chambers we would be up in arms. We just conditioned to be heartless so the meat industry can profit. It is completely uneccessary because we can be healthy on planets alone. You don't have to value animals as same as humans. Just value them more than your taste buds. That's all it is. We kill them because they taste good. For 5 minutes of pleasure on our tongue. Most selfish thing we do. We can not inconvenience ourselves to the slightest such that the animals can live live a life without being subjected to horrible conditions and pre mature death.
@Sarbjot Singh where is this energy for the HUMAN atrocities that go on everyday lol. Like I understand it’s fucked up, but those animals are going to get killed regardless and people are still going to eat it..regardless. It’s sucks but it is what it is. It’s not my fight. I’d rather focus on the people actually losing their lives to sex trafficking or modern slavery. It’s def a problem, I get what you’re saying. Just bigger things in the world to worry about 🤷🏾♂️
@Sarbjot Singh it’s like what Jidion says they can sit there and talk about not eating meat all day. But it’s not gonna make the vegan eat meat again and it’s not gonna make jidion not eat meat. Everybody believes in something else and all we can do is respect it
Just talk about the animals slowly dying out on the fields when exposed to pesticides. Or the animals being shot in the head when hunters kill them to protect the crops. You need to practice a lot of hypocrisy to be a vegan.
@Kreed2k Let them live out their lives the best you can. Don't let them out of enclosures to get shot. Most of the livestock will be gone in under 20 years.
im glad the guy could actually have a debate but hes still so far from reality lol we as humans eat meat and plants same as other living things in nature, yeah theres no joy in killing an animal to eat but theres no joy in surivial and we need to eat meat along with other stuff to survive.
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Andre C.2022-03-11 04:22:32 (edited 2022-03-11 04:23:06 )
We don't need to eat meat to survive. According to the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics, vegan diets are appropriate for all stages of the life cycle (pregnancy, infancy, childhood, etc.).
okay but animals kill other animals way more brutally than we kill them as part of the food chain how is it any different if his argument was overeating that’s different
Vegan: "We need to protect animals cause its wrong to shoot animals in their head and eat them!"
Meanwhile in the wild: Lions: "WHERE YOU GOING MR.GAZELLE?! LEMME BITE INTO YOUR JUGULAR AND THEN ME MY HOMIES FINNA RIP YOUR STOMACH OPEN AND EAT YOUR FLESH!"
Nature is all about survival of the fittest. Humans are the superior species on earth. If any other animal had it their own way and were the most superior and intelligent species, they’d set up their own slaughter houses too. Yes we’re at a point where we don’t need to hunt in the wild or eat meat if we don’t have to but that’s how things are. The only way to ensure an animal lives a safe and happy life is to buy it and watch over it like a farmer. If u don’t do that it’s fair game for another animal to hunt it or for a human to hunt it. The only exception is if it’s going extinct
@thelostbassist Humans need meat to. Without meat our ancestors from the stone age wouldnt have developed theirs brains enough to get where we are today.
Without meat humans are literally just making their bodies physically weaker
When jidion brought up the Bible he automatically earned all my respect and gives glory to God makes him my favorite YouTuber. God bless all you guys 🙏
I wouldn’t go vegan i feel theres no point cause if I stopped eating meat it wouldn’t change the fact the meat would still be made or eaten by other people but I respect the people who are vegan
Vegans that are vegan for the “protection of animals” are actually built different. They really don’t get that crop land takes up much more space than animal farms (at least for the same caloric benefit). By utilizing more space for crop land, you significantly lower species diversity. Not only that, but a lot of crops are imported (things like soy and rice), this contributes to the extinction and death of animals in two ways; 1. Some underdeveloped countries utilize the slash and burn technique, which leaves land destroyed and unable to create plant life for decades. 2. Shipping and international movement, this can contribute to the movement of invasive species, germs, and diseases, as well as add to the amount of atmospheric pollution. Simply put, these types of vegans have to be trolling. I do agree that cows are probably extremely bad, but meat as a whole? Nah.
@Lucas bro you make it seem as if cows just don’t exist in Africa but they do and it’s not that hard to come by the average person in Africa doesn’t not dream of cow meat it’s pretty common
Animal agriculture is the second leading contributor to green house gas emissions which correlates to the global warming issue we have today .......not vegan but that is a big issue with eating meat.
@Lucas Are you that ignorant? You think meat isnt common in africa? Wiat, how many cultures in africa do you think are solely plant based diets? Im gonna tell you now, not alot if any.
Takes more crops to feed animals than people. We would decrease overall crops if world went vegan. We can find ways to be more effiecient with our food. Those animals aint getting their life back.
@Sarbjot Singh They’re animals. Most of these fuckers don’t even have the competence of a child. Their life wouldn’t amount to anything more than eating, sleeping, shitting, and reproducing. Animals are victims of the effects of natural selection. We developed into a relatively genius species, so the value of everything in the world is now based on how it benefits us. That’s why dog breeds exist and farm animals are food. Even though it’s no longer necessary, the fact of the matter is that this hierarchy of our world was the next evolution of basic survival.
@Watermelon Man Just because we cann oppress animals doesnt mean we should. I think we can expect humans to choose to be better than animals in terms of morality and empathy.
In terms of competence have you heard of the name that trait argument. Essentially you cannot name a trait of some animal, that if a human had that trait then it would morally justify killing that human.
For example if a human had the intellegence of a fish would it morall justify killing that human for a quick meal, even though nobody really needed that meal to survive.
I hope that our genius species can realize that we do not need to torture and kill animals for no good reasons. I hope we can jump that very low bar. I hope you become less selfish in terms of thinking that everthing is here to benifet us only.
@Watermelon Man finally someone that knows what he is talking about. Like honestly, cows only purpose is to serve human and animals desires of food, they have no other purpose, if we were to free all of them they would now be food for other predators, and more predators would rise and overpopulate while the cows will eventually decrease so much in numbers as they have no protection. So us keeping them in these farms will keep them safer from the outside world of more predators, and keep them from not going extinct. What we’re doing is natural selection like watermelon man said. Also if vegans think there so special why do so many of them have to take protein from pills that isn’t natural? Also meat itself gives more calories to us causing us less hunger as long as we eat the protein from the cows or pigs, or some other animal, not fat. Even though I love the fat of pigs and cows. Protein is one of the main causes of human evolution in the first place, so people need to be grateful for the people that kill these animals to feed so many others; instead of hating them for helping people not go hungry and stay unhealthy. Also a lot of the parts of pigs, cows, and even fish that we don’t eat goes to dogs, cats and zoo animals that need the food to survive. So we are not killing the animals out of self satisfaction, but instead as a way for us to survive, and for so many other animals to as well.
@Sarbjot Singh The difference in that argument is that one of those is a member of our species with a disability while the other is a typical animal of another species. It wouldn’t be justified killing a human in that instance because it wouldn’t be justified killing an average human in that circumstance. However, animals are not humans and do not exist on our level of significance. The life of one average human is far more valuable than the life of any average animal. As for my point about everything being here for us, have you not seen the entire world!? Streets, highways, buildings, parks, etc. are all over the world because we as humans have become the lone dominant species. We stole land from who knows how animals to create our various infrastructures (indirect killing) but now it’s a problem because they’re a food source? At the end of the day, individual cows, pigs, etc. don’t matter. It’s about the species as a whole, and not a single one of those animals will go extinct thanks to their usefulness to us. Your moral standpoint only makes sense to you because you value animals at least somewhat equally to humans which is absolutely insane to any normal person.
@Watermelon Man I do value animals equal to humans, but YOU don't have to. We don't need animals to live healthy life. You just have to value an animals life more than your tastebuds. If you can't even do that then you are extremely selfish because you are causing unccessary suffering and death.
I don't know why you are so adament about treating humans with dignity while allowing so much cruelty and suffering to animals? As far as I see we are all animals, humans are just a little bit more clever. Personally I have not really achieved any significant (disocoveries, inventions, ect) , so I am not that valuable. In fact I probably cause more harm to the enviroment than good and therefore could be considered less valuable than most animals.
You distinguishing between animals and humans is arbratrary and doesnt have any real moral basis. The reason I want to let animals live is because they can suffer, they want to live, they are innocent, and they have wants and desires. The distinguishing between humans and animals is..... to make an excuse to continue eating a burger? You can not name any trait an animal has that if a human has then we can kill a human and turn into a burger.
To each animal, the survival of their species does not matter, when each one is going through suffering, seeing their children taken away, getting their bodies mutalated, and ending their life way too short. Most of the livestock animals should not exist. They bodies are genetically modified such that it causes them pain to exist.
Why does everything have to benefit humans? If it is not useful to human than destroy it? I hope not every human is as self centered and selfish as you.
@Sarbjot Singh Animals eat a wide variety of crops. Are you familiar with what a dust bowl is? Planting the same crops in the same place numerous times will rob the soil of key nutrients. Crop land as a whole works in detriment to wild animal life. It also works in detriment to developing countries if over utilized, they don’t have the means to mass produce enough for their growing population while protecting endangered species. You have to pick between maintaining this current balance, loss of human life, or loss of animal life. The world is not at the point in which we can all go vegan in even the next fifty years, and even then, a vegan lifestyle is easily not as effective or healthy as a lifestyle with animal proteins.
@Natalia Garcia This is why I say cows have to go. If I’m not mistaken, cows alone contribute more to pollution than all other animals (disregarding humans) combined. Methane gas is worse than carbon emissions.
@Sarbjot Singh “moral basis” yeah okay bud I don’t care what you have to say. Moral basis is the least valuable significance can have because it’s the most subjective. My standpoint is based on objective factors and logical transitions.
Objective fact: Animals eat other animals, so eating animals in general is not taboo in nature.
Objective fact: Our ancestors hunted and ate animals to survive. That lifestyle led to reproduction and eventually our generation.
Objective fact: We created structure and society as a species.
Objective fact: Humans pass things down to their offspring. Animal-based diets have been a thing for a very long time and have continually been passed down to the evergrowing next generations.
All of these facts led me to the the logical conclusion that our dominance has given us this right to decide how we want to live and that farming and eating animals is justified because we’re simply maintaining a long-standing part of the foundation of our species on a larger scale to accommodate the larger population. You can keep crying about your feelings for animals but it ultimately means nothing. Clearly based on how things are, my viewpoint is the popular one. Different species exist because they all serve a purpose to another species as a source of food or population control. We have simply turned animals a favor by ensuring that their species never goes extinct as long as we live. In return, they feed us. It’s a simple, mutually beneficial relationship between humans and farm animals.
@Watermelon Man Rebuttal #1: Animals rape other animals so I guess you think thats okay too? gross. Why do you pick and choose things from animals only when they benifet you?
Rebuttal #2: Yes they did. That doesn't justify the uneccassary torturing and death of innocent animals. Many countries have been majority vegetarian for centuries too.....
Rebuttal #3: Yes we did, therefore we should have a heart and do what's right for the animals. Don't care about my feelings, care about the animals feelings. You would prolly beat me up if I hit a dog, but if we torture billions of livestock than that's okay? Your a hypocrit.
Rebuttal #4: "accommodate the larger population." Would be much more sustainable if most people in the world went vegan. If the whole world ate live amercians, holly, the environment would be so screwed. Just google "if the world ate same amount of meat as average american"
Rebuttal #5: "Different species exist because they all serve a purpose to another species as a source of food or population control" Except for humans right? The universe revolves around humans? You think the only value dogs have is to keep a human companionship? So if there was a stray dog that couldn't be kept as a pet then it would be okay to just kill it for some food? Not everthing is for you to exploit man. Live and let live.
Rebuttal #6: "population control" as we forecfully breed 20 billion livestock animals into existance.
Rebuttal #7: "species never goes extinct". Some animals should go extinct because they should never have survived. We genetically bred their bodies to produce ridicoulous amount of eggs and milk. Some chickens cannot support their own weight. Some cows udders are so large that it causes them pain to move around. Would you want to be born as any of these animals and get all the "benifets" humans give lol. Live in pain and misery, get raped, get children taken away, then killed in 0-5 years?
Nothing justifies what we do to them. We are exploiting them unccessarily to make money and to get some flavor on our toungue.
Admit you are a hypocrit. Admit that you support animal cruelty. Admit that you are a pretty selfish person that doesn't actually care about anything unless it benifits you directly.
You should volunteer or something. It will help you learn to sympathise or something.
In actuality the vegan guy is right no living creature should be kill and held captives.they deserve to live they lives the same way we do.but the problem is some of these vegans be to disrespectful and belligerent to make their point
You should have asked him if he thinks its ok that animals hunt other animals, so whats the difference with humans doing it. If anything animals that die from predators suffer a lot more than a shot in the head from humans.
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You call him a vegan extremist simply for being a vegan activist. Basically, anytime a vegan crosses over from leading a vegan life to trying to spread the message, we are called extreme. Under any other context that would not be the case. Anyway, nice discussion.
Slaughtering animals was in the Old Testament, God sacrificed his only son (Jesus) so that we may have eternal life in him in the new covenant. So no you don’t kill animals as sacrifices anymore lol
@misery oh yeah I see your point - it's why Jesus is referred to as the Lamb of God because He was the sacrifice for our sins. But with my comment there is no alternative to the consumption of animals - it still applies as no new concept was introduced as an alternative to our use of animals.
i think we all can agree that animals were made for human like if you consider the same anology then why cut up the trees and shit live your life without using trees ig its fair
If I go to a brothel with underaged girls and pay for the service, it will also still happen if I hadn't gone. If there was a dog fighting ring that I paid a ticket to watch, it still would have happened.
Understand basic supply and demand my friend. It's economics. Stop funding these industries. Vegan products don't just pop up out of nowhere.
agreed. whats more extreme: paying for the continous exploitation, abuse and slaughter happening to billions of animals every year OR telling people not to do it?
Please be respectful and take veganism seriously. It's hardly even a choice when people become vegan. It is a paradigm shift, a change in perspective. We realized we were wrong in our actions and we had a moral obligation to live a different way. I can't go back on that even if I wanted to. Are you against animal abuse? Then you're already vegan at heart. Align your actions with your ethics, the only thing you'll regret is not doing it sooner. ✌️
When man tried to say Bible justifies slavery he messed up. I see wayy to many people try to make this claim and it is straight false. Not only is it from the Old Testament, but it is also taken far out of context and was never said to be ok. There is other scripture that goes directly away from judging others of their skin
@Owen Stieg the Bible clearly states how people should treat their slaves. Some translations even in the new testament refer to slaves as "servants" it's perhaps you that needs to read the context. Slave owners in America refered to these passages in the 19th century to justify owning people. Bad interpretations? Sure, maybe. Just like the Taliban do of the quran.
I'm glad that was the only thing you could attack about my comment cause you know the rest is 100 % true
@gepeto1993 Servents in Biblical times such as you described are not the same as slaves. I can't describe it all accurately in a small paragraph. So I'll send you a link to a quick 4 minute video on my slaves are not like more modern time ideas of slaves
@gepeto1993 I'm only want to correct you about the Bible ever condoning owning slaves. But since you think the rest you said is right, I can assure you that also may not be true. I'm not sure what exactly you are talking about when you are taking about when "Jesus came he want to sacrifice the heart and soul, not of animals" Without giving a verse i find it very hard to clarify this possible misunderstanding
6:55 Genesis 1:29 “And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon all the face of the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for food.”
In Leviticus 11, the Lord speaks to Moses and Aaron and sets out which animals can be eaten and which cannot: “You may eat any animal that has a divided hoof and that chews the cud. There are some that only chew the cud or only have a divided hoof, but you must not eat them. So he’s telling us witch animals we can eat meaning we can in fact eat animals according to the Bible. Imagine trying to quote the Bible to argue against eating meat lmao.
I believe that God wouldn’t put animals on this planet if we weren’t supposed to eat them. God gave us animals as a gift and something that should be eaten
We are animals too and there is something called a food chain. But there are carnivores, omnivores and herbivores (and frugivores and insectivores). The animals we eat are bred into existence, we don't kill them naturally like carnivores do. We can easily live without consuming flesh/ things that come from bodies. Why wouldn't we be vegan if we can?
✝️God loves you so much! Come to him and experience his love for you. Come to him, it ain’t no coincidence that your seeing this :). God wants a relationship with you.✝️
Love most of your stuff JiDion, but paying someone to kill a defenceless animal who just wants to live in peace and chill, just so that you can bite down on their flesh for literally no good reason at all is straight up cowardly dawg. I hope that you recognise that Jesus Christ, the guy your faith is built on, the Prince of Peace, wouldn't hurt anybody, animals or humans, if he didn't have to. By choosing to pay for innocent defenceless animals to be butchered for your taste pleasure, you're not only the devil from the animal's perspective but you're also letting Christ down, man. Much love, but because I respect you man, I had to be real with you about your choices. Looking forward to your future vids where you leave animals the f*** out of. Peace and love to you, brother. I hope you can extend not even love, but just the basic respect you give to animals like dogs and cats to all animals, just leaving them be and not paying others to slice their throats for you so that you can put their bodies/ body parts on a grill.✌🏾
dude you cant really bring ancient fantasy books that people like to live according to into a civil discussion or at the very least it is a shitty argument
JiDion ptting out bangers every time, but comparing sacrificing a lamb once a year respectfully for religious reasons to eating millions of abused mass bred animals that live under unhumanly conditions, thats some bullshit my man. Your 'love and respect' for the vegan dudes beliefes doesn't help any of the animals that god gave us to live with and to take care of. Liked every video of yours man, but thats a dislike my man. Looking forward to more bangers
This guy is nice but lacks empathy. I will pray for him to learn to love the human animal and all other animals. If we needed meat to survive it would be justified to eat animals. But eating animals and their secretions is detrimental to the human body
In Islam the animal is not meant to feel any pain at all, it must submit and accept it’s fate prior to killing it. You’re not at all meant to hurt it and if you do the meat is deemed haram (forbidden) as it’s not done correctly and involved suffering.
Bro tigers and other dangerous animals rip their prey to pieces while its still alive I don't understand why we have to be different since we have smarter brains and are more aware
animals at the top of the food chain are meant to eat their underlings. humans are at the top so why can’t they eat meat too? aren’t we animals just like them
so what this guy is really saying is he is against halal food, cos he was singling out the throat cutting and pain, whereas non halal meat is done via instant methods
"they get their throats slit and shot in the head to give you a burger" bro thats not how they do it lol yes they still kill them but they treat the animals very humanely. hes thinking about hunters
@blex Frouts i already know how messed up it is when they kill them but im saying the animals already dead when he eats it its not coming back they killed it befor he even gog it
Ion think the vegans realize so many more animals die because of the pesticides used to keep them away from their precious crops. And those animals weren’t meant to die at least the ones we use for food have one purpose and were never wild animals.
Bibble does not encourage slavery it says You have the choice if you want to be a slave and you can sell yourself into slavery. Also if you do that you are treated very well the owner obligated to give the slave the bed of his choice. So that Finnland guy is wrong and should get his fax right
Why does vegans believe they can tell everyone what to believe. And not all vegans are vegan cause animals some made the change for health reasons. This dude looked sick anyway he not veganing right 😂.. let live and live how you want what makes you happy.
@DSRReacts i understand what ur saying but a few people stop eating meat doesnt make a big enough impact on these HUGE meant companies, u stopping eating meat is irrelavent if u want to make a change a veryt large number of people would hvae to stop this number is not near high enough so u stopping wont make a differenmce at all cos that peice of meat u never bought someone else will walk down the aisle and buy it
@DSRReacts yes but people actually want e cars and eventually (fairly soon) we will no loner be using petrol where as alot of people like meat still want to eat meat and the government arent planning on banning meat any time soon
There’s the whole nature argument too, how is it fucked up for me as a human to eat meat when my dogs, cats and pig eat meat all the time, and there not even the top of the food chain
I’m like a normal vegan. Just like someone who cares about their health. From a health standpoint it’s a little fucked up to bring meat into a vegan restaurant. Just a little fucked up still funny tho so you got my like
Not sure where this vegan gets info but I watched documentary 2 years ago, with cows they had them get older and about 5-7 years in there life they would kill then peacefully, it wasn’t w a gun or cutting throat. I don’t remember what it was but it was inhumane
It’s not like u go up to a farmer and say yo I want some bacon and beef. U already buy the meat. It’s already dead. Like your just buying it and I do care about animals but legit it’s always been that way there food. And there animals, animals r food like. From the start of time today it hasn’t changed
These vegans 😂 maybe nowadays u dont need all the power from meat but back in the day taht all u had was a bit of animal skin well u bet no one is vegan then
Overall jidion is right it’s just life animals eat animals humans are still animals we eat other animals even though we might not have to eat meat humans have eaten it for millions of year and life is balanced from over eating extinct animals. Overall eat other animals is just life
Humans may be animals but we have moral agency. It is what makes us different to wild animals. We should not base our actions on those of wild animals. If we have the means to reduce suffering then we should.
For example, animals kill their own, some kill their own children, rape etc. Just because they do it we would never say oh its nature that means we can do it too. As humans we have the capability to decide what is wrong and rationalize
The bible doesn't condone slavery. (Just thought I would put this out there) The bible when talking about slavery is talking about a 7 year where period someone would have to work for their "master" to pay off any debt they had owed them.
Scripture:
Deuteronomy 15:12-18"12 If your fellow Hebrew—whether male or female—is sold to you and serves you for six years, then in the seventh year you must let that servant[ac] go free. 13 If you set them free, you must not send them away empty-handed. 14 You must supply them generously from your flock, your threshing floor, and your winepress—as the Lord your God has blessed you, you must give to them. 15 Remember that you were a slave in the land of Egypt and the Lord your God redeemed you; therefore, I am commanding you to do this thing today. 16 However, if the servant says to you, “I do not want to leave you,” because he loves you and your household, since he is well off with you, 17 you shall take an awl and pierce a hole through his ear to the door. Then he will become your servant permanently (this applies to your female servant as well). 18 You should not consider it difficult to let him go free, for he will have served you for six years, twice the time of a hired worker; the Lord your God will bless you in everything you do."
(Also to cover up the sacrificial stuff.)
We no long have to sacrifice animals anymore, because Jesus died on the cross thus making him the ultimate sacrifice. There was no repentance when people would sacrifice their animals. It would only cover up the sin, repentance became on option once Jesus died on the cross for ALL SINS this means every time we ask for forgiveness aka repent and we actually turn away from that wrong doing he will forgive us.
Scripture
Hebrews 10:1-14 *10 The old system under the law of Moses was only a shadow, a dim preview of the good things to come, not the good things themselves. The sacrifices under that system were repeated again and again, year after year, but they were never able to provide perfect cleansing for those who came to worship. 2 If they could have provided perfect cleansing, the sacrifices would have stopped, for the worshipers would have been purified once for all time, and their feelings of guilt would have disappeared.
3 But instead, those sacrifices actually reminded them of their sins year after year. 4 For it is not possible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins. 5 That is why, when Christ came into the world, he said to God,
“You did not want animal sacrifices or sin offerings.
But you have given me a body to offer.
6 You were not pleased with burnt offerings
or other offerings for sin.
7 Then I said, ‘Look, I have come to do your will, O God—
as is written about me in the Scriptures.’”
8 First, Christ said, “You did not want animal sacrifices or sin offerings or burnt offerings or other offerings for sin, nor were you pleased with them” (though they are required by the law of Moses). 9 Then he said, “Look, I have come to do your will.” He cancels the first covenant in order to put the second into effect. 10 For God’s will was for us to be made holy by the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ, once for all time.
11 Under the old covenant, the priest stands and ministers before the altar day after day, offering the same sacrifices again and again, which can never take away sins. 12 But our High Priest offered himself to God as a single sacrifice for sins, good for all time. Then he sat down in the place of honor at God’s right hand. 13 There he waits until his enemies are humbled and made a footstool under his feet. 14 For by that one offering he forever made perfect those who are being made holy.*
Where is the proof that people who end a animals life has or gets ptsd and where is the proof they get shot in the head or sliced in the neck yea they did that back in the day but is his thort facts or him just making up Sana’a iOS so we sound bad
Keeping all animals alive would be awful it would pollute the world, overpopulate the world etc leading to the animal living a worse life plus if i was a pig i wouldn’t want to be a pig
You also left out the point that plants technically do feel pain and they are a living thing so technically you're killing a living thing there for you can't escape the negativity neither way you eat and I'm talking about every species not just humans when you eat you are killing like beans or bread the end result you're still killing something so honestly both sides of the argument is a joke we need to treat our animals better true but my point is you can't escape death when it comes to your stomach
Depending which animal. Cows do get a bolt gun then all animals knife in throat to kill them and bleed out. Watch documentary on called Dominion for free to see what legal standard practice
Pigs are mostly killed by gas chamber which is horrendous
@Haxu Haxu who said anything about the burden of proof? just because you stated that, it means you’re only trying to instigate here. you brought up the so-called “evidence”, and when i asked whether or not you could actually prove it or not, you retreat into a pseudo-intellectual “rebuttal”? you’re really digging yourself a hellhole here.
Zephyrous Nope 👎 someone asked if animals get shot in the head and their throats slit. Dominion shows the reality of factory farming. Hand waving it away by saying propaganda doesn’t actually prove that it is propaganda. Nice try though buddy 👍
@Haxu Haxu yeah, someone asked if animals get shot in the head and their throats slit. however, when you offer a documentary that cherry-picks its scenes in an attempt to put the subject in a bad light, and pass it off as evidence, it really doesn’t help your argument here. another thing, you didn’t even TRY to explain or prove anything in the first place. all you actually did was tell someone to watch a government shilled documentary without even explaining why. so, tell me, who’s actually doing the hand waving here, because you still haven’t actually proved that ‘Dominion’ isn’t propaganda. stop being a silly pseudo-intellectual and get your head out of your ass.
I’m the Bible it says in Levicticus 11 1-47 you aren’t supposed to eat or even touch the carcasses of a pig, a camel, a hare, and a rock badger(land creatures). And for those in the sea you can eat anything with fins and scales. If not find and scales then don’t eat or even touch.(sea creatures). And for those in the air such as birds don’t eat at all.
JiDion, love you man. Your point on Christianity is semi wrong though. Yes in the Old Testament Christians slaughtered sheep and other animals - because it was to get rid of our sins. After Jesus was hung on that cross and died for us we no longer need to sacrifice anything because of that.
This guy one me over icl I used to be vegan and is was so fkn annoying when people would shit talk u because someone else said something dumb 98% of vegans are just normal man
People in the bible used to sacrifice animals to get their sins forgiven. After Jesus died on the cross we don't have to sacrifice animals anymore. Because Jesus took all the sin of the word away by his sacrifice on the cross.
I’m not a vegan but I feel like what jidion did was disrespectful. He should respect peoples boundaries. It’s like I go to a church and say fuck god or fuck Jesus. It wasn’t the right thing to do
Just sayin real meat would’ve been 100% justified. You don’t have to bend or break when someone calls you out. It’s a free country, you’re entitled to your opinion. So troll away
So a lion is wrong to kill an antelope because the antelope felt pain before it died we humans don’t have claws and teeth how the hell are we supposed to get meat if not with the tools we create.
When he said that the slitting of throats is evil and not good. He was right and wrong. He reason biblical sacrifices happen is for paying for your sin . A death in replace for your death(you sinning) . God does not want death. It literally says that in genesis when he banished Adam and eve. He does not want death.
Te devil is the reason for sacrifice. Jesus be killing you. Jesus is stronger that's why we don't sacrifice anymore. Because go's sacrificed Jesus. Don't disrespect my religion bro.
animal agriculture is the number one emitter of carbon dioxide. number one user of natural water. number one user of land. number one reason for deforestation. One quarter pound hamburger takes 660 gallons of water to produce, that is the equivalent of leaving your standard shower running for 2 months.
I LOVE animals, and I truly think animal abuse should absolutely stop. But I would never change my eating ways, just because I love them. Eating meat is not wrong, and some vegans need to realize that. Some of y’all need to realize that animals are put on this earth for eating, not abusing but eating. As much as I love cows, pigs, and others animals, doesn’t change the fact that there absolutely delicious.
bro wants to talk about how sacrificing lambs and shit was outdated and also says how the bible justifies slavery is such a contradiction lmao. bc slaves then werent what the modern definition of slavery is
My argument against vegans is that it’s the circle of life. The smarter and stronger animal is going to win, and in the end no vegans telling a lion to stop eating zebras.
In Islam there are rules in slaughtering an animal:
1) the animal must NOT be a carcass 2) the animal must NOT be weak or ill 3) carnivores and non ruminants are PROHIBITED 4) a knife MUST be used. Other methods like shocking are PROHIBITED 5) knife must be hidden, sharp and cut jugular vein quickly (which is fastest method) 6) pork meat is PROHIBITED
Also worth mentioning: 1) eating meat is NOT compulsory 2) the prophet Muhammed (PBUH) said to leave one third for his food, one third for his drink and one third for his breath ie. to eat and drink proportionally 3) wasting food is PROHIBITED
DISCLAIMER: Do not hold me accountable for this information. Please use this as a base of your research❤️
Vegans have their own beliefs, non-vegans have their own beliefs. No party should try protest against the other's beliefs, or try and push their own beliefs into other's lives. For example, I am a Muslim, I can eat meat, but pork, squid, octopus, mussels, and other seafood of this kind are not permissible for me to eat, due to religious restrictions. I can tolerate any other person forcing me to believe that I should eat them, because it is against my beliefs. Everyone should respect people's beliefs based on their religion, culture, and ethnicity. Another example, is LGBTQIA+ which is considered impermissible in my religion. If anyone is pushing their beliefs against my religious beliefs, it is absolutely wrong. If you believe in something, you do not need to "normalize" it by making it the norm, and criticize those who go against it. It is a free-world, and every human being can believe what they want to believe. Stop "modernizing" and "normalizing". You do you.
I mean that if you don't eat meat then the animal population will increase and then everything will just go crazy because then we will need more homes for the animals so more money spent and then some animals will be dieing because of no food so this is kind of like a food change like the food change in the ocean. One animals has to eat eachother so everyone benifits. Long comment sry.
Dude just wanted to hear himself talk. He just wouldn't shut up and kept interrupting. There's no such thing as vegan in nature. You gonna wait three months for fruits, vegetables, and wheat to grow? Can't. Meat is food, and the approach of it is the big thing, not the consumption of it.
@JC I mean, if we're out in the wild, and don't have anything to eat, how do we eat? Meat. It's how we clothe ourselves from the cold. It's how we arm ourselves. We make tools from the bones and backstraps for bows. I'd love a rhino horn tipped spear, instead of just a stick. The animals are living and that's to teach us the true value in life. The thing we consume has consumed other things. It's the circle of life, not to get too cliché about it.
@JC I understand that they are MEANT to eat solely plants. We are omnivores. We know this, because we eat both. Also, trying to say that it's 500 lbs due to eating berries and other flora is just not true. The animal's structure is different. It has giant antlers that account for quite a bit of that weight, and that's just bone and skin. No fat on the antlers.
Bruh idgaf about killing animals or not. Problem is, its causing a huge stress on climate change and our environment and at that point it is no longer about what the bible says or who loves animals. There wont be a future for our grandchildren if we keep on stressing the climate like that.
Did bro say that the bible justified slavery? Maybe it do or maybe it don’t cuz idunno. All I know is that a citation from the bible states : “Good Christians do not participate in slave trade”. But the bible was ofc written by a lot of people over the course of history. I know that it does support racism sometimes but that is understandable because that was pretty normal until 200 years ago.🤷♂️ But it is also strongly against racism meant to harm others.
@Ψ-14 we are talking about the bible so stay on topic. also god never used racism, if you believe in him, because he didn't create them to say some are better than others because of their skin, that would go against himself.
@Bruh Moment You are a Judicandus Homo Reus and I shall pray for you when judgement day comes where accused shall be confounded and doomed to the flames of hell. 😇🙏
@Bruh Moment If you say that he created races then you are saying that there is a something called race. And dividing people in races is racism. It isn’t necessarily bad racism because it isn’t used to harm others. But it can be used to harm others.
@Ψ-14 read about babylon. im not a professional so im not going to get into this because iw will probable say something bad or make a mistake. all i have to say is god is not racist, he says to love everybody (not like attracted to them) and be kind. god does not like slavery, and he showed not to have slaves from the story of egypt.
@Ψ-14 also racism is always bad. i am different from someone in an italian culture. we are different. that is not racism that is just stating facts. im not better than they are. at the end of the day we are both humans and should be given the same level of respect.
@Bruh Moment DUDE THAT IS RACIST! You saying that those are facts is racist. Being racist is the thought that you can divide humans into categories and races. You just said that you were different from Italians. That right there is racist. And like I said racism is very normal and everyone does it all the time without even realising it. You are being racist but you mean no harm with it.
@Bruh Moment Treating people different based on what they are is discrimination. Racism and discrimination aren’t the same thing but you can use racism to discriminate.
@Ψ-14 dont put words in my mouth i never said that! i never said racism is normal. here you go, the final verdict. EVERYONE IS THE DIFFERENT FROM EVERY PLACE BECAUSE WE ARE ALL NOT THE SAME, AT THE END OF THE DAY WE ARE ALL HUMANS AND SHOULD BE TREATED THAT WAY!! WE SHOULD NOT BE GROUPED BY SIMILARITIES!! we also should not have cities or countries or borders, because those "divide humans and is racist". nothing is racist till you make it racist. the best way to end racism? stop talking about.
@Ψ-14 we also shouldn't have families, ancestors, or kids. they are just other people, they cant relate to us because that is discrimination and racism. i treat other people different if they aren't in my family but that is grouping humans. my kids were born from me but they are the same as other kids so they aernt really mine and i should treat them the same as everyone. also kids and adults are both humans and shouldn't be separated so kid should be able to drive and drink! religion shouldn't exist because that would be grouping people by there beliefs. you see the loop hole you just opened with your logic? and to get back on point, god is not racist and we should treat others how we want to be treated
@Bruh Moment That right there is the mindset of how a true liberal from the 19th-20th century would’ve thought. See my logic now? It is impossible to live a life without being somewhat racist or discriminating because it is in our nature to do that. Of course you treat your own kids and family better than others because that is in our nature and completely normal. But it is still kinda discriminating in the end. Which is why I think that not all racism is bad or evil. Because you’re not hurting anymore with it.
Ngl I side with the vegan guy. The prank was out of order rly. The vegans in that restaurant weren’t shoving it down anyones throats they were minding their own business and you went and interfered with them. By your analogy it’s like someone going into a church and shouting god isn’t real. Wasn’t much of a debate either just using your religion as a reason for eating meat. Like the dude said the Bible has a lot of outdated stuff in it which ppl who are Christian don’t follow now so why is it any different with meat. Substitutes for meat are so advanced now that you can eat alternatives and still get all the nutritional benefits without harming animals. Ps I’m not even a vegan but I can’t pretend like it isn’t the right thing to do
The issue is a double standard. The vegan in the video supports vegans entering people's businesses and disrupting them, because that fits his ideological views, but when someone does the same to vegans he complains. How about no one makes publicity stunts and be pain in someone's butt at work?
Preston W It's flat out a double standard. Ramms was complaining about him disrupting a business of a vegan establishment, while at the same time supports doing that to non-vegan establishments. Watch his video on McDonald's blocking. He is obviously biased and hold double standards.
That's no objective, at all. Obviously people don't agree that killing animals for stuff is abuse. In most cases they would just dislike the way of it being done.
Preston W And that is exactly what is going on. If business of vegans is disrupted for by non-vegans, then booooo. If business of non-vegans is disrupted by vegans, then not booooo. He complains someone doing something shitty, but he likes that same shitty thing when it is his side doing it.
Are you willing to explain how is that objectively abuse? You keep asserting it. but you aren't explaining anything.
Preston W Not if he complains about the method, but let it slide when his side is doing it. If I complain about others doing X, then I have issues with X. When I don't complain but support X when someone else is doing it, then we have a clear double standard.
And how does that make the things we are talking about to be OBJECTIVELY abuse?
Ad hominem. Give me an actual explanation and leave comments about me aside.
Preston W I did read it and no, you didn't explain anything. You gave me a definition, which isn't objective. Secondly. What one thinks is abuse is enterly subjective. Pro-lifers would think that abortion is child abuse, Pro-choicers would say that not allowing abortion is abuse of women.What one thinks is cruel is subjective. And not everyone thinks that any instance of violence is abuse.
So no, you explained absolutely nothing. I want you to explain me how do you reach objectively that something is abuse. I am all ears. Are you going to tell me or are you going to dodge again? And did you delete your messages?
Preston W By that any pain, suffering or death of animals is cruelty. Crop deaths / pesticides / construction / etc = cruelty.
That question has nothing to do with that being objectively abuse. Try again.
How can I give input about a thing I know nothing about. I literally have no idea how do you reach your silly conclusion about that being OBJECTIVELY abuse. First tell me how it is objective and then we can talk about it.
Well, you keep dodging it, because I still have no explanation how is any of that objectively abuse.
Preston W Are you going to explain it or not? You literally wrote one sentence after I repeatedly keep asking you to explain it. So for the last time....are you going to explain it or not?
I really disegree with veganism in a whole. Well Im okay with you eating only vegetables or whatever but don't expect a majority of humans to become vegan. No we don't NEED meat (well we kinda do) but just like thinks like the internet, masions and all that we WANT it. Humans have evolved and we need more than just food, water and shelter. THats why we have so many unnessesary items but ones that we want for entertainment or just for convienece. Meat will forever be a big part of society.
He’s acting like jidion is the one who shot and killed the animal is dead either way that fucking dead animal was sitting on Walmart on the shelves for like 3 days jidion didn’t kill it he just bought what was already dead because it taste good as we speak Shawn the sheep is still getting sliced up like he’s in a ninja movie don’t get mad at niggas for buying what’s already dead like we ain’t the ones killing those little pigs and stuff we’re just buying it because we hungry lol💀
“Me not being Christian doesn’t cause anyone harm.” Neither does someone not being vegan. “YEAHUH! You hurt the animals!!! 😭😭” that’s as relevant as us hurting the plants to eat those. They’re living too. “Yeah but not like how animals are living. How would you like someone eating you?!” Uh.. Like cannibalism?? I probably wouldn’t like it. If you mean how would I like animals eating me, I doubt I’d like that either but.. My dislike wouldn’t stop an animal that is a carnivore from killing and eating me nor would it stop a cannibal from doing it.
7:25 when he says this he doesnt know what he is saying. The bible doesnt justify slavery. The isrelites were slaves and the isrelites were the chosen people, so when God says be good slaves, it is like when Jesus said turn the other cheek. becuase yes God's chosen people, (christians) must trun the other cheek, forgive becuase we will have our day.
I will never understand vegans. If you truly care for the animals, you will be mutual with them. I will eat meat and animals dont care, like how they don't care when they eat another animal. Plus we kinda have to eat meat know since we can't just release all the animals, since they will either ruin the wildlife and land or just die. Humans eating other species its mutual, like if something was trying to eat me and I'm trying to eat it, its all about who got for will to eat. Who hungrier. He also said is it okay to eat the human like animal, i want to point out people do eat monkeys and apes, plus even if you vegan bananas share similar DNA to humans.
How are you going to say mass slaughter of an animal is the same as killing a few animals every now and then just because it's part of your religion? The church used to burn people at the stake for doing alot of things that your average person does on a daily basis in today's world, but we're to let God handle them, right?.... I mean that would have made sense if they hadn't of burned people at the stake....
“We cut animals throats” that’s the same as cats and most predators that kill animals by biting their throats and being shot In the head is fast and easy and bears will maul their prey and eat it alive and shark grab seals and shake them around like a chew toy crocodiles drown their prey and death roll them and constrictors and pythons will squeeze their prey to death plus we need meat to survive and early humans would chase their prey into exhaustion and than kill them with spears and hatchets it’s fine to want better care for animals I will agree with that but animals will die it’s a part of life deal with it or cry about it it’s a dog eat dog world.
The truth is: what makes animals more valuable to protect than plants? Both are living organisms. Is it because the animal is cuter? Is it because we are more similar to a pig than a tree? Is it because animals bleed and plants don’t? Its human bias. Unfortunately, the way nature works is the strongest survive and we have to get our energy by killing and eating other organisms. That is the food chain and that is how the world works. And does eating only plants contribute to peace? Well it depends on what you view peace as. If every human on the planet only ate plants would the world be a better place? I dont think so. The same global problems would be happening. I guarantee you that if cows were carnivores (and could eat humans) they would be wanting to kill and eat us. We only feel pity because they appear to wish us no harm and that is not their choice its the cows instinct. It is built into their DNA to eat plants. People become vegan because they believe that by doing so they see themselves as a better person, but at the end of the day you are still killing and eating an organism which contributes positively to the world if not even more than animals.
@Diego throughout history incest has happened but the society we live in today doesn’t approve of it and it is looked down upon. eating animals is a part of nature that’s how we survive. You gotta know the circle of life bruh
@Diego well I personally don’t give af what you like or don’t like. And what your trying to bring up has nothing to do with what what my main comment was about sooo all I know is living species will still eat each other just like they did since the beginning of time
Jidion bro you're confusing facts with belief. The Holy books like the bible and koran were there before science. but meanwhile we do know some things for sure to explain how the world works and we can prove it = facts. the Holy books don't have the logical evidence. you just have to trust that the dudes who wrote it know it is right. that's what belief is.
There's a better way to counter what he was saying. That is to call out the fact that we are omnivores and need to consume animals for our bodies to properly function, not many people can afford or have access to alternatives that are pumped on in price due to the economy. I'm sorry, but animals don't have high emotional intelligence, they just have food for one second and be the food the next, you understand what I'm saying? It's the way nature works, the food chain is a fact, and animals will have to take the sacrifice if humans keep growing in population. It might be unacceptable to vegans, but nature is brutal, and that's the way it is and will remain.
Lions kill their prey so do all animals in the food chain we have just come up with a very convenient way of killing and eating our prey because we are extremely advanced, i don’t think that we should have to care about how the animals we eat are killed as long as it’s efficient and not torture or anything. I don’t see other animals as anything other than that, animals, some are cute and some taste nice it is what it is. I have nothing against vegans but I don’t think they should be telling me what I can or can’t eat either.
8:50 all vegans basically haven't thought it through. They play the morality game, but fail to question where their morality came from.
Who told them that killing was wrong in the first place? Is it because of the "majority" ? Then if the majority said it's ok to eat meat, then it's moral.
Truth is God sets the morals. The majority follows God's law, and God made it permissible for us to eat meat, under strict conditions that (i) knife is sharp af (ii) animal doesn't suffer (ii) doesn't see other animals suffer (III) the sacrifice is made in the name of (and thanks to) God
@Isa K yeah but once again I think their point is its not necessary for us. According to them, and I'm no expert, we can live healthy lives without meat so why kill? As food science advances as well as the number of vegans soon they will probably taste the same too.
Ex21:16 , Tim1:10 slave trade is condemned ex21:20, DT23:15 job31:13 Gal:28 we are all made in the image of God oh and luke4:18 Jesus came to set the captive free so that vegan who said the bible promotes slavery clearly has an incorrect belief.
There is a point to be made with animals being killed and the disconnect from what really happens and the kind of environment we eat the meat. I say eat meat if you would be willing to kill the animal yourself. The commercialization of killing animals is not moral for me at least. Native Americans and those who currently live still more towards hunter gatherer lifestyle. I think most of them do have a sort of respect for nature and don’t live wastefully. And yes it is true a lot of Vegans or at least those who claim publicly and try and push that agenda, not an issue, but most are pushing a smaller personal one based on subjective morals. No wonder they make themselves feel threatened, and majority of us, even if we could be educated more, could use constructive appeal. I actually really liked how this turned out. Props for both ending things cordially.
I don't understand channels like that. Wouldn't you run out of vegan things to talk about? After you've made every sappy video about animal slaughter and health benefits all you have is just targeting random people. That's not just vegans it's youtube channels that revolve around 1 idea and never strays.
If vegans care so much they should go out of there way to use the least plastic possible n not own a car. Plastic n pollution also kills animals. Also r tigers evil because they eat meat? Also large scale farming also kills animals so I hope u own a garden
This guy's logic is so illogical. Talking about harvesting and eating a humanlike species. There is a humanlike species and that is a chimp. Last I checked we don't harvest chimps for food. You can't compare humans which are multi-emotionally intelligent organisms, to animals such as chickens, pigs and cows which have very little intelligence which mainly rely on instinct. Humans are so much more consciously adept than the animals that we harvest. I don't understand how he thinks its right to treat these animals as we treat fellow humans. They are literally animals, they have no feelings towards you, all they want to do is eat, shit, shag and sleep.
GOD STYLE2022-02-16 06:52:31 (edited 2022-02-16 06:54:10 )
being vegan is all about saving the animals, but funny enough they all got a leather couch lmao, also how is it okay for vegans to kill plants when it's a proven fact that plants are alive? dont you think that bush over there wanna go home to his 2 kids and wife? i dont go into your vegan places crying trying to make you stop killing those very alive plants bruh. these vegans can just stay in their corner of the room and eat their vegan pencils but just dont walk into places who serves meat and start preaching about how bad people we are just because we wanna eat a burger and not a piece of coal
Dude is lying almost nobody gets ptsd and anxiety from killing animals, ive killed plenty of deer, turkey, ducks and i really could careless, i eat them and use what I get from them
hello there, i dont mean to force my religion on you at all. but Jesus is the messiah. he is the lord and savior of the world. please turn to him and repent from your sins! let's worship the Lord together!! Amen! Glory to the Lord almighty!
This vegan's whole existence depends on the death of other living things. Trees and mountains where animals are being destroyed so you can have houses, clothes, etc. If he thinks he is out of blame by not eating animals, then he is severely delusional. If you really want to help, you'd boycott humanity and not just meat. Start with offing yourself by feeding yourself to the sharks.
Vegans have always been motivated for the wrong thing😂 there’s PEOPLE DYING EVERYDAY “GeTtIng Their ThroAtS SliT and ShoT In THE HeAD” and you worried about chickens and turkeys??? If VEGANS were really a good people they would be using that energy to stand up for 1000 other things that are SERIOUS INSTEAD want to protest about food..OTHER PEOPLE EAT!? Smh..there’s also another community INFAMOUS for that even more than the vegans but I don’t want to say their name 😂 IF U KNOW U KNOW
the thing that pisses me off about vegans is that they all think they're saving animals by not eating meat and stuff like that but to farm and make those plants that are "saving" those animals they so care for, you need to kill everything that gets into the fields so they dont eat the crops.
What do u 2 mean it doesn't exist? Chimps are our closest relatives and on your own u can watch and see they're human like and emotional and smart and have feelings.... So we do kill chimps. Chimps and mice/rats are most used tortured even experimented on and killed.
Just saying most people dont hunt monkey's or dolphins and if u actually wanted too see were we come from u will be shocked if u follow chimps long enough thry are crazy they actually have wars and rape parties
If people didn't wanna eat meat we would all be vegans these vegans would love dictatorships they can finally force people too act like they want u too act
If we let all the cows and chickens go tommorow they would all die. They cannot survive without being cared for constantly. Does this guy wanna adopt a few thousand cows feed and care for all of them? Cause that is the only way widescale veganism works
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Felipe cañadulce2023-07-11 00:50:00 (edited 2023-07-11 00:50:11 )
Mf talking about animals but forges that being vegan produces even more contamination than meat industry.
Vegans don’t understand in order to keep there crop from being destroyed u gotta kill every bird every insect any animal that try’s to eat or destroy the crop so there doing more killing than us when they get there tofu salads on the table
Chimps are pretty close… I’d fuck a chimp up if I was capable of it, gonna have to stick to the 9, why is everyone so sad about being THE apex predator, we need to go back to our roots and just start fucking shit up with spears, maybe they’d stfu then😂
I hate the vegan argument that buying meat means your killing the animal you literally bought a product of an already dead animal you buying it or not has no effect on the fact the animal is already dead 😂
Ayo guys especially vegans please check out how much chemicals are put in beyond meat and shit where they make plant food tasting like meat . It's fucking unhealthy for you
Every hardcore vegan I promise you is like pro abortion up to full term and probably beyond.
Let me throw down some more points. The Bible does not support slavery, it talks about two things, 1 the law of the land that the people are subjected too that is NOT of Jesus teachings and 2, indentured servitude which is something common in the day where people who had nothing or destitute in the streets would be given home and food in exchange for work, not slavery. Now the quran absolutely supports slavery.
And animals get killed for food? Does this guy know what animals do to eachother? How is it immoral for us? Animals rip other animals apart and eat them alive, we execute them quickly, I wonder why this guy who doesn't believe in God thinks humans are subject to a moral authority above the animals?
Do the vegans not realize that even if they stopped humans from hunting animals (which btw is never going to happen) It's not like its going to completely stop animals from dying due to hunting because animals hunt other animals as well, and under the logic of a vegan trying to stop animals from dying, does that mean that we should start killing predators even though they are also animals as well? They are literally trying to prevent something that has been happening since the beginning of time, and will never stop. If you only want to eat plants because you dont want animals to get hurt thats fine, even though it still wont reduce the amount of animals being killed. These protests that vegans are doing might change more people to be vegan, but the protests still dont prevent any animals from being killed, its just disturbing the peace. In fact, doing protests like that might actually have the opposite effect that they want and make more people NOT want to be vegan because when someone's view of a vegan is this group of people yelling and screaming and disturbing the peace, they are probably not going to want to join them.
Vegans are nuts. Animals are literally made out of food. Cannibalism is not even part of the equation. I don’t see where any of their logic EVER works.
God says slavery like what the whites did to the blacks in the 1700’s is wrong and that they would face judgement for that. Slavery like a boss/worker is what the Bible is talking about
And to add to that, killing animals for any reason other than using their fur for clothes to keep you warm, or their meat to keep you from being hungry is wrong. God created those animals, so when you kill them for other purposes, it’s disrespectful to God
Does he not understand animals are slit in the throat maimed and left to bleed in nature already? These kinds of people are always privileged white people.
Vegans are so dramatic 🤣 Lighten up. Also why is he swearing at you? "You f-er, you crazy f-er" I thought vegans were holier than thou and more moral than thou" lmao! Total clowns. Is being arrogant and claiming a realize doesn't exist or isn't good enough moral? I don't think so.
you know if every person became vegan tommrow then all thoes cows and pigs who woul get "shot in the head or their necks cut" would sit in the slaughter houses and starve getting a much worse life deth becuse would ruin the farmers lives to keep feeding them
Animals have been harvested ,since the BEGINNING OF TIME. However the over dramatic BOZO , thinks - ‘’ poof “! He suddenly”knows better “ then say 1,000s of years . Lmfao 😂 nothing like running your whole life and existence around a complete fabricated fallacy …..
It's not like people kill animals straight out of their habitat, they breed animals on their own property outside the natural ecosystem, so these animals could not be killed by other animals in this enclosed space
Preston W who did he harass? Yall sensitive asf😭 wouldn’t know real harassment if it slapped you in the face. He went into a vegan restaurant and cooked meat, then he paid AND tipped. It was a joke, the worst thing he did was plug in a stove and cook raw meat in a restaurant eating area which is technically unsanitary…but like be fr, what restaurant/food place is?😭
Preston W if dog meat was as acceptable as cow meat then your relation is wrong…that would be like going to a farm cooking burgers, not a vegan restaurant, acquire some brain cells
Preston W actually you’re wrong, a slaughter house is where they raise cows for food, a farm will harvest the milk from cows and when they get older they’re sent to the slaughter house, but regardless you’re strawmanning. The statement still holds that in America it is not acceptable to eat dog meat so nobody would cook dog in a shelter as a prank…but cow meat on the other hand is widely accepted as food and he went to a restaurant where they just so happen to not serve meat and cooked meat. He is in no way causing physical harm to anyone or anything because he purchased his meat from a grocery store as apposed to what you’re saying where in order to do that you would have to kill the dog yourself and then cook it infront of other of its same species which is in fact wrong. We have societal norms and eating dog meat is far outside the realm of those norms as to where cow meat is very much in those bounds. The fact of the matter is that he did something you don’t agree with, but not something wrong or illegal so yes it can be classified as a prank while the dog meat in a dog shelter cannot be. This argument is pointless because you’re pushing extremes that don’t relate to the topic at hand.
Preston W I misspoke cuz i was typing whilst i was at work😭(cows are not raised in a slaughterhouse rather they are sent there)but we are done here cuz you cant seem to hold a stable argument without cherry picking every little detail to try to seem smarter than someone else. Point is stop being a snowflake and grow some balls
Preston W also im just now realizing that I wasn’t even referring to the argument as a whole in my original comment, i was saying the vegan guy is annoying because even tho he’s entitled to his opinion, he cannot admit when he is clearly wrong about certain topics as they discuss a variety of things and even where jidion can admit his faults, the vegan guy refuses to admit any. Regardless my opinion is that there was nothing inherently wrong with jidions prank even if he himself decided to back out of his initial stance. It’s called having a mind of your own and not following your favorite Youtubers blindly 😩🥴
Thats so funny how the vegan is trying to be nice and not all vegans are mean type BUT he's calling Jidion out for what he did. Vegans are fcking crazy man.
What the hell for god sake we’ve been killing animals for years and years why the hell do you thing your alive? And… how the hell do you think you protect animals if other animals kill the other
Can’t talk about objective morality when you don’t have a moral anchor aka religion aka god, something wrong right now for you could be right 20 years down and vice versa 😮 it’s all subjective for atheists and agnostics, we got sharp incisors for a reason I believe.
vegans think they can do what they want but if meat eaters put their views on them they get pissed off and think we meat eaters are wrong.. As for the bible god said to his people to goto the land of milk and honey not plants and milk that isn't milk...
This vegan's whole existence depends on the death of other living things. Trees and mountains where animals live are being destroyed so you can have houses, clothes, etc. If he thinks he is out of blame by not eating animals, then he is severely delusional. If you really want to help, you'd boycott humanity and not just avoid eating meat. Start with offing yourself by feeding yourself to the sharks.
The bible justify animals being killed. God says it literally in the bible. They are animals, we are human. Humans have a rational soul. Animals don't have a rational soul. For example animals use instinct. Human don't we have free will. They care about if you mess with an eagle egg you'll go to prison and a fine. Yet we are allowed to kill unborn babies. Hypocritical. I won't trust the vegan people. I believe it's partially political because a government can control less numbers of people. They want to lessen the human race because we are the fault of killing animals and the climate where that is all negotiable topics. So less people. Bible says be fruitful and multiply, and we should trust in God then. Helping animals is great of course but they are not human. If we can't figure out humans, how will we help animals? You can't. God Bless You JiDion.
Vegans are hilarious, I’d rather get shot in the head than be pulled limb from limb by a predator, or even suffocated so the life slowly drains out of me.
The thing vegans don’t understand is that animals are always hunted by their own kind or by other animals, what difference is it when a human does it. You could say it’s cruel but animals are way more brutal it’s the circle of life man. Imagine if everyone became vegan, it would be an over population of certain species, there’s still a lot of issues with hunting but some vegans r fucking stupid LMAO
I understand veganism. But what they don't understand is people don't have easy access to vegetables and other expensive food as vegan. We literally have animal products in everything. The system was designed that way. Idk why vegan are trying to shame everyone else all the time. Especially the privilege ones. Grocery stores arent as common as fast food in low income communities. It's just part of the system. Stop shaming everyone, instead educate without forcing people like religious people.
Not against vegans but any meat eating animal on top of the food chain would eat animals alive. Yeah it grew into this systematic killing, is really bad for the environment, and there could be better ways to do it. But it’s just the natural way of life. Some eat or be eaten type of shit that got too easy for us.
these guys are literally killin blind innocents plants & vegetable who even cant see and speak.. But they actually are living things they become happy and sad too they have their life.. for them its absolutely right to kill someone who cant speak and see and they are teaching us morality WAO ... There is no logic behind it .. because if you care about living thing that much then you should also care about plants & vegetable and you should be eating mud, rocks and cements instead of plants and animals...
Nothing against people being vegans or anything. But they do know animals kill other animals? Hyenas eat their prey alive, no neck bite like lions. That's brutal.
@Veganix but that's nature. We're consider Animals and we eat other animals to survive, including vegetables and fruits. Back in the day men hunted everything to survive. It's the same damn concept.
@Veganix need is irrelevant as need doesn’t dictate actions anywhere in life and that doesn’t take away from the fact it’s objectively beneficial try again
Monocrop agriculture destroys ecosystems and ruins the entire food chain. Hundreds of acres for one crop is not natural and hurts animals more then culling overpopulation by eating them
@Nightblood the way he would ask the dude a question and then continuously interrupt the dude before dude could answer. Then pull the self righteous religion card, kinda douchey.
Nope that is entirely false. A moutain of independent studies prove sou is fine. Don’t listen to the people who make money for u believing that. The animal agriculture lobbyists
This dude is talking bullshit tho That cow dint get killed for 2 pounds of meat theres about 1000 pounds floating around other peoples plates. No hate for him choosing not to eat meat but him personally yes because he's pushing his own believes on other people how is that different from a religious extremist?
It’s about necessity, wild animals have to kill each other to survive. On the other hand, most humans in the developed world do not need animal products to survive.
What bro said”diff dna…like humans” what about monkeys…we don’t kill and eat them just the tasty “meat” or “dairy “ cows, at this point if everyone gave up meat farm animals would be invasive and they’d get killed and wasted🫡🤌
JiDion should’ve told that dude that vegans kill a lot of rabbits, squirrels ,etc, to keep the crops safe.. and they usually die by poison, mauled by farm dogs, or simply shot at with an air powered rifle.
To pretend people eating meat is the greatest problem facing the planet isn't only stupid but it's irresponsible, considering transportation makes up the vast majority of emissions. But, by all means, let's pretend cow farts are worse for the environment than big oil
Just thought I say this for those who don’t know. The Bible does not justify slavery as we know it today. Slaves back then were people who worked and got paid for that work. Buttt if you read the Bible God Hates the slavery we know today. For example pharaoh. God wanted Israel to be liberated. I he Bible doesn not justify slavery it really doesn’t people worked lands and paid all debts with work and when they were done paying they retired
Honestly veganism and this guy are stupid. Does he have a problem with eating probiotic bacteria, yeast, fruit? Why do plants get a pass even though they are alive? Is it because they can't feel pain? What about mushrooms? Is he okay with eating those? Mushrooms have shown to have huge mycillium networks that communicate across vast areas and this pig is just dicing up mushrooms over his risotto smelling his own farts?
Honestly the rest of you might have been okay with this guy but I think he was trash. "SHOOTING IN THE HEAD AND SLITTING THEIR NECK" should be his catchphrase since he seems obsessed with this part of the food process. Yeah dude, animals are killed before they are butchered and sold, that's how it works lmao.
The absolute WORST part is that this guy has actually deluded himself into thinking that his beliefs aren't even beliefs, they are statement of fact. He tried to make this point before JiDion (I think not totally understanding the point he was making) interrupted and went on a tangent, but he essentially tries to say "No man this isn't a belief, this is a moral fact." Like dude just shut the fuck up.
Look at the end of the day animals by the millions die everyday by other animals in nature it’s part of life you think a alligator care for you when he’s gator rolling you into fucking pieces so when I was I Florida I had some gator tasted like chicken just a little chewy but scrumdidlieumpshish 🖕🏽
They don’t get shot in the head or there throat slit they get taken care of better then 99% of people. Farms hire super expensive car takers like 100’s of thousands of dollars a year on them they get check ups every 1-2 months. They get to do whatever they want essentially eat and sleep all day. Plus how they get brutally murdered is a high power shock to the spine which is painless and kills them instantly there lives are better then almost everyone’s on the planet
Here, ima end this all for everyone. We have k9 teeth, those sharp teeth we have (vampire looking teeth) are made for biting into meat. We are just developed. Thousands of years ago all we did was eat meat.
Just saying by not killing the animals other animals will just kill them because thats how reality works… idk tho maybe im wrong maybe the coyotes will see us not killing animals and be like “lets go vegan too”
Also most vegan products are also lab made crap, which is even worse for you than meat
God literally said to kill animals and eat them and the slavery thing was he told them to treat their slaves with kindness and not hurt them so yeah I’d rather listen to God than an extreme vegan
We kill animals because we’re better than them in every way as blunt as that sounds. Why should we limit ourselves to what we eat because some people think it’s wrong. it’s easy food for us, simple as that, why shouldn’t we capitalise on that, literally every other species does.
Ok but I believe that God made animals to help things live also if we didn’t eat animals we would be overpopulated with them and then they would be feeding on us more than likely
this man defending animals for his dear life where if he was on a deserted island. He wouldn’t eat meat? Those animals do not give af ab u bruv they eating ur ass😂 i can understand his view but damn
I don’t have a problem with being vegan and stuff, but that guy’s point about killing a human like creature simply because it has different DNA is stupid. Animals are not very smart. Animals don’t have morals. They don’t care about you. Many humans are killed by animals everyday. If there was a human like animal, of course we wouldn’t eat it, because that’s assuming they are intelligent and have morals.
Vegan should realize that people eating animals is just a part of the food chain, humans are on top of it so we eat animals just like how carnivores eat other animals it's a natural phenomenon in nature and we as humans are part of it.
Seif Ben wada2022-03-20 00:17:43 (edited 2022-03-20 00:18:11 )
but man following that vegan man logic the plants are living organisms too and killing them is equivalent to killing an animal so as human beings let's just STHU AND ENJOY AND THANK GOD FOR OUR MEALS
Vegan activists shouldn't be going after small businesses or individuals... that's what ruined the cause and now veganism is the laughing stock of activism. If people really feel strong about animals there are other ways to go about convincing others for alternatives. Screaming in front of a store won't do anything but the opposite, being friendly and educating people on the other hand? Way better.
The vegan paegen has no reason to be mad in the first place. Jidion didn't "Pay for an animal to get shot in the head and have its throat slit" It was beyond meat
The vegan dude is talking about objective morality as if what he is saying is absolute truth, some people justify killing animals and some do not but both are beliefs not objective truths
veganism is so dumb, yeah you arent eating animals, but your very existence kills them, you use electricity, you take up their habitats, you utilise products that directly affect them. its so performative, you don't actually care about animals you just want to feel more caring than the people who eat omnivorously, you know, like humans are supposed to.
I would say veganism takes the stance that we should reduce animal harm as much as reasonably possible. Obviously there has to be some harm to an extent to justify our existence but that doesn't mean we have to slaughter 800+ million animals for taste pleasure.
@Andre C. dumbing it down to taste pleasure is so silly. in the first world meat isn't that necessary, an omnivorous paleo diet is like the best diet but in the 3rd world they have to eat meat to survive man. also yes there are lots and lots of animals slaughtered, but there are nearly 8 billion ppl. we do eat to much meat, but vegans don't think that, they think the very act of killing to eat is immoral, which is laughably dumb and childish
Here’s my point tho Vegans are “animal lovers” and like how this guy said he said we don’t have to kill it’s not necessary and so on but look tigers and lions kill everyday so are they evil? Or negative? Snakes, Aligators, insects, fish, birds, dolphins, kamodo dragons, dogs they all kill animals and eat so are they evil? We’re animals aswell and people seem to forget that we killed to survive to this day for thousands of years so who are these people to say that something that’s been going on for so much years that helped us survive and create this world today is a bad or evil thing to do? The only reason humans from the cold habitats survived was to kill animals and use there fur or wool. the only reason some of these vegans kids are running around and eating there parents vegan shit plates are because years before humans survived by learning how to fish and hunt. I get that they would love to see a peaceful world where nobody needs to kill anything however that world is nothing but fantasy because everybody is born with different beliefs and goals, wants and needs and so there will be a day when vegans give this up of trying to convert everyone to vegans because that just simply won’t ever happen.
The difference is these animals do it for survival. Our ancestors killed animals for survival. Why would you contribute to a cruel industry in today's modern society when there are plant-based options readily available? Most people do it for taste pleasure but I don't think that's logically justified.
@Andre C. there are people In Poverty today that are still barely Surviving. Not everybody will become vegan most vegans are trying to convert people who don’t want to convert to vegans and are disturbing people who are peacefully trying to enjoy there meals. It’s cool if you want to eat what you want that’s fine but when you go around to others restaurants and act in childish or even crazy manners to get people to change there minds on what they should eat it just creates hatred for those that are just trying to eat there meals peacefully without some crazy lunatic holding an animals head with fake or real blood screaming with a microphone that they’re murderers. Lol look that one up tell me how good that looks on your guys part to changing peoples minds. I’d say not so good most of you guys look like lunatics and make people not want to change. There are other ways to approach your ideals.
What about you know the fuckin food cycle???? We are suppose to eat animals bruh, science and foods and shit have just developed enough that its not as necessary but you are way better off getting real meat in your diet.
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Andre C.2022-03-11 05:37:57 (edited 2022-03-11 05:38:05 )
Actually, vegetarians and vegans are at reduced risk of certain health conditions compared to meat eaters. These include ischemic heart disease, type 2 diabetes, hypertension, certain types of cancer, and obesity. So in fact, you're really better off without meat given that it significantly increases your cholesterol.
Whether you support veganism or not, you can’t deny the fact if everyone went vegan then the farm animals would go extinct anyways cuz no one gonna take care of them if they have no economic value
WTF bro … your Lifestyle is on cost of lives (animals) meanwhile there is no harm for anyone in being not religious or sth… stupid argument, vegans just tell you to at least think about the stuff that’s on your plate on a daily base because a lot of people are just eating meat day in day out but when they see how it’s been made their reaction will be like ,damn that’s disgusting‘ while they’re eating a bucket of chicken wings from kfc that is obliviously participating monetary
Meat has protein humans need. Animals aren’t gonna die out. We need them to die. It’s how life be like. Are vegans gonna spank lions for chasing that 1 deer and biting it’s neck off???
His main argument is animals getting there throats slit when animals throats aren’t slit it’s a painless and quick death they use a process that shuts down the brain and it’s a painless process
They breed livestock specifically for meat, and they dispatch of the livestock in an ad humane way as possible. The animals don’t feel a thing. When you buy meat from the store that animal new nothing else other than to eat and live to be un-lived. The livestock we eat have been domesticated and are killed very humanely. They kill the animals that way so they feel as little pain as possible. Plus meat gives you so much more nutrients than the same amount of plants. They are not killing animals for the fun of it, they do it to feed people.
I don't understand vegans, animals are part of the food chain, its life. You see other animals killing other animals, there are predators and preys, it's the food chain that's part of life and humans are just on top
Another argument is now animal are bred to be killed so if we didn’t want to kill them they would be alive in the first place and animal kill other animal and food chains and overpopulation would be a huge problem
Ngl we are ment for killing animals for food, so why go against the whole existence of the human race. Just because you don’t think it’s okay to what we are deigned to do
It's stupid if he said vegan is all about saving animals... broo just imagine the time you've wasted trying to save 1 animal and the disability to never eat it til the day you die while there's legitimate 99.9% of the population massacred animals. These dumbass be saving 1 animal that makes their life boring
I think that it’s very bad to kill some of the most innocent living things on planet earth just to fill your stomach. But I do it anyway and so do billions of people and I think that that’s because people are self centered and don’t care about killing the animals because it’s done in a factory or by some worker or farmer. I basically just think people are pretty bad because they don’t to do all this damage it’s not the circle of life because it doesn’t have to happen and we have control over it. Also you have been raised to eat meat so it’s kinda a thing you do. SUMMARY: humans are kinda self centered so they take animal life with the ability to not do it but it’s not your fault it’s people overall.
Bruh I put it this way. Food is food. They was made for us to eat and kill oh well it’ll be Ight. If you eat meat then you eat meat if you a vegan you a vegan
Actually the Bible didn’t support slavery.It’s hella misinterpreted,that’s the stuff pro-slavery people say.And also if we didn’t eat animals they would over populate and we’d have to kill them anyways so may swell use them for good use.
I do believe that killing animal is fucked up but stomping on a animal till its eyes pop out for a sacrifice is a lot more worse then paying someone to kill a cow who feels 0.1 seconds of pain for food basically what I'm saying is it's not as bad as vegans describe it well except that they live in harsh climates
'That's what veganism is about, saving the animals.'
Within 4 months of the entire planet going vegan every livestock animal will go extinct. Because that's what happens when humans aren't there to take care of them, they die. They lack absolutely every survival instinct in the book, and the ONLY reason they're alive is because of humans. There's been multiple studies about how veganism will cause more harm than good to the animals that are slaughtered.
Bro humans are shot and stabbed every day so how come these vegans aren’t out there rioting gun stores r sum like do they think animals are more important then humans
jidion was so right when he says its just a belief, vegan dumbass thinks he is always correct, hes just assuming that animals can experience all the human emotions we can, whos to say a cow feels the same way about death as we do?
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Mr. Frosty2022-01-03 11:29:33 (edited 2022-01-03 11:30:34 )
Scientific studies have shown time and time again that plants also feel pain... they're living organisms too. What place r u in to decide what dies and what doesn't? U r NOT some kind of Death God or something. Livestock is purposefully bred for consumption. Somebody once told me, "would u eat ur own baby?", to which i replied: "If we were Cannibals I'd have no problem eating a baby that was specifically raised for consumption, but i would have a problem if i had to eat a child i raised with the sole purpose of either starting or expanding my family". So in short, no, i don't see the point in Veganism
I honestly dont get the reason of people going vegan for, it does not help the animals the same amount of animals still get slaughter. Nobody saves the animals they just pass the plate to somebody else.
it’s a movement they hope to make more and more people vegan soon technology will be so advanced that they can make fake meat that tastes like real and more people will be vegan and then more
Very few people in the south went against slavery back in the day. didn't matter because the slaves would just go to the next white person. ur missing their point
Animals are shot in the lung not head they die instantly most of the time with an accurate lung shot.. this guys very weird. People have eaten animals for centuries.. believe what you want bro don’t push ur agenda onto others
what people don't get is every one being vegan is not sustainable we wont be able to keep with demand you know how much of the land we will need to use just to farm for only half or even 1/10 of the population it is not possible.
All am gonna say is what's happening to white men, are they that bored all the shit they coming up with. What is amazing is Extremist vegans killing there cats and dogs by only feeding them plants which is bad for them but sure they do love animals.
the logic behind veganism is hilarious, they will do anything for these animals, but they wont do anything for the people getting slaughtered and murdered and raped and sold like slaves in the other side of the world. how can we save animals if we cant even save our own ,
that makes zero sense... being vegan is a non action. you literally just dont contribute to animal agriculture. You can do that while also not contributing to harm against humans. being vegan doesnt stop you from helping elsewhere
He probably doesn’t realize that animals eat each other and we are no different because we are animals too Stupid people keep trying to exclude our race from the food chain
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Arthur Morgan2021-12-27 15:55:19 (edited 2021-12-27 15:55:23 )
We shouldn’t base our morality off of the actions of animals though bro.
@Arthur Morgan we think we are better than other animals such as even saying we shouldn’t eat them but we are animals and these rules are put down by people and the same people saying not to eat animals
@AnarchyxRose It comes down to how you morally justify the unnecessary killing of living beings. Of course if you’re stranded on an island about to starve, you can morally justify killing animals to survive. But if you can live off of non-animal products, how can you justify the killing of animals?
Animals die. We literally killed and hunted them in the past. How we kill them now is more humane. Meat tastes good so ima eat meat. I love animals but meat is meat g
Tell this vegan guy to go talk to a Lion and tell him that he can’t eat a Deer because it’s fucked up to kill an animal Bitch we eat to survive it is what it is Plants are living being as well
Right but you talk abt animals getting killed but if animal’s don’t die by us they would prolly die by there predators. We are using our environment just like they use there environment.
Bruh, even animals kills animals and eat their meat to survive. Why we shouldn't do it? While vegans eats their salad to save a cow, another animal is getting eaten by lions in the Safari tf
People always saying shyt about slavery justification in the bible but at the same time tell you that everything had its purpose in the past. Connect those dots and what you find is slavery back then was nothing like slavery more recent. You had homeless people that begged to serve someone because they had nothing and were treated very well. These people got taken in, but were expected to work. I dont even believe in christianity but here i am defending against nonsense
Did this man just say if aliens was real would we kill them food. I don't see how that is a good argument. He using hypotheticals to prove a point I using reality. The lion eat the gazelle, but we don't punish the lion.
vegan's just dont understand the way of nature, animals eat each other too lmao, by your logic i shouldnt be eating plants because plants are living things
We should treat the animals well. but meat incredibly useful to society. I'm not leaning toward either side, however I don't eat meat. Maybe one time a month
what has religion to do with animal cruelty? A religion is to "believe in something". Animal cruelty is just a fact, it is not about a believe. A lot of vegans, are vegan because the cruelty, and a lot of other vegans, are vegan because it's killing our planet... How dumb is Amerika ffs?
Bruh you care way too much about animals 🤣🤣 realistically, plants are more important to our survival. If we don't kill animals, some will over grow and ruin the eco system. Stop lying, you don't care about these animals, and they don't care about you.
I love you bro he legit had nothing to say except about slicing animals in the throat or shot in the head blah blah blah fuck that vegan shit lol I need meat no homo .
Kinda confused cause animals eat other animals for survival and technically the human species is an animal species so aren’t we just doing what we’re supposed to be dking
animals has no conscience.. thats the difference between us and them😹 not the DNAs and these. Animals are created in the ecosystem to serve humans as food, vegans clearly has no good health dude to carence in zinc and mandy nutriments that are important to our body our bones and teeth. Everything in life is created for a reason even the smallest things. We should benefit from the gifts God gave us.
My uncle worked in a slaughterhouse they don't slit their throats they have co2 guns that instantly kill the cows and pigs and they move them to private pens so the other animals don't see
its not healthy to be vegan. the human body needs the proteins and fibers from other things besides plants , salads have no nutritional value , it tricks your body into thinking its food but its just water , now if you put fruits and vegetables then yes it can be better , but if you can put chicken and steak with the fruits and vegetables then the salad is a great healthy meal. there is a set food chain that the world revolves around , if humans are at the top and humans just stop eating other animals then humans will start to go down the chain and become less dominant because there are too many other animals. and beyond meat or impossible meat , isnt the same thing as meat , you cant clone or mimmic genetic irons and fibers is not scientifically possible many people are being vegans because of the world around them and “for the animals” but what they dont realize is that their the ones actually hurting the ecosystems.
I don’t care about the whole killing animals thing because at the end of the day it’s still gonna happen and it taste good and it has nutrients we need protein to help build muscle
Ok, I like yes animals are being killed but no one, and I mean NO ONE (except for hunters) are shooting animals in the head to make food for people. No one. Why waste such a thing to kill one animal.
As a vegan. This is funny. But I hope you and every meat eater changes to a vegan life style so we can stop feeding big pharmaceutical companies by maintaining good health. Down with corporations. :(
I mean see for me i would go vegan but animals arent gonna stop being killed just bc i go vegan... if i tell sum1 hey dont eat that meat that doesn't mean 7 billion+ ppl are gonna stop eating meat
Humans are superior to animals, smarter because they have languages in which they can express what they want and they can also pass the tradition not like animals, animals do not have tradition they have ability to survive.
He brings up genetics but also fail to realize we share genes with other carnivores, not to mention APES EAT MEAT as well. Humans are not superior, we happened to have developed a mutation where we grew more compacted neurons for the development of a larger brain, hence being able to critically think and solve complex problems. Every organims from prokaryotes to eukaryotes we "eat" other organisms for energy. If he feels bad about animals being killed then he should also feel bad about killings plants.
Does this guy think that humans were meant to not eat meat, the Meat other animals eat for millennial, the meat we’ve been eating for thousands of years? And he thinks what happens naturally is wrong because he decided that all killing no matter the context is wrong? Yeah no, that argument doesn’t hold up at all.
I've worked in a slaughter house and they dont shoot anything in the head or slit throats. This dude is delusional about how meat is harvested. Now let's talk about how plant based food that's not raw plants makes more waste then raising animals for food.
Jesus Christ was the lamb of God, since he sacrificed His own son we no longer are required to make sacrifices to God. Lamb sacrifice was before Christ’s death.
My friend is Muslim and he only eats Halal meat, halal meat is reared & killed differently (i’ve been told more peacefully at older ages on farms so the animal gets to truly live its life, i guess its about them not being allowed to have blood in it or something)
okay. he said animals being shot is not a opinion. okay then, plants being cut down is not an opinon. the thing is most people who eat animals use every part they can and never try to waste it. sure there's wasteful people out there, but we can't control everyone in todays day and age. the most logical reason i can think of killing animals and eating them is because plant based food doesn't provide the right nutrients for maintaining normal bodily functions. Such as protein, carbs, and all 9 essential amino acids. You need these to maintain normal bodily functions and you get them all from animal by-products. With plant based products you often have to take supplements to get the right nutrients. and vegans are often malnourished due to them not knowing enough, not all of them are like this, but some. and in most culture killing, and eating animals in their entirety is a very special thing. They use everything and respect the animal who allowed them to eat another day. it is sad that animals die, but i feel like if i respect them and appreciate them for feeding me and also not be wasteful with it. i think that's good enough, and vegan extremists are ridiculous
A vegan is never gonna be able to stop animals from being killed. I know they wanna limit it, but animals die from natural causes, are eaten in the wild and are just needed for some for a good diet. You can get around it, but it’s taste so good to us for a reason. Are ancestors were actual hunters and gathers so we’re conditioned on eating that type of diet. Soy protein is also disastrous to the male hormone.
jidion highkey stupid. kind of made me mad during the argument. like learn how to understand other people view points and be openminded to them rather than just instantly trying to invalidate or find a loophole around them. I'm not even vegan but like dang
Bro I went vegan for a few months because my friend group pressured me into it with a lot of the reasons Ramms just put up here. My body was just fucked up. I was so tired and I looked more pale. I constantly had this bad taste in my throat and in the end idgaf abt veganism or vegetarianism. All I know is that my body was reacting harmfully. I feel that vegans always only focus on trying to get some non-vegans on to their side and that's just wrong
I don’t see a problem with killing animals I do see a problem with breeding animals and never letting them touch grass or go outside and just have the purpose of when your big enough im going to eat you. Like I thinks that’s cruel. I think animals should be free roam and not in like factories.
Animals kill other animals for food, sometimes even sport, there is a thing called the food chain, every species has its own specific diet that keeps it alive and healthy.
humans diet consists of meat, fruit, veg, nuts etc to be as healthy as possible, that’s a fact.
I agree with like the idea but not eating animals is putting a animals death to waste. It’s not like if you don’t eat a pig the pig isn’t gonna get killed either way it will be killed but not using it for its purpose puts the animals death to waste
Its not evil when you kill them to survive, its just the natural way of life. Eating dumb veggies will just make you weak and bony. it dont give the protein you need. animals sometimes kill humans so should they all start eating plants then? No
I eat meat, but to compare killing animals to an imaginary man in the sky is asinine. Thinking humans are superior with the only justification being some nonsense written in a fairytale is so silly. Dogmatic religious people like this need to realize that humans are self-glorified animals that have developed an evolutionary edge to life on earth, and that's it. You can eat meat and not delude yourself into thinking we're somehow beyond other lifeforms
If we never killed cows they’d eventually deplete our ozone layer from producing methane with their farts and expose us to massive amount of rays which in result would wipe out most of the earth I understand people don’t want to hurt animals but no ozone equals no agriculture for their plants to not eat animals
I never understood vegans I mean if mfs wanna eat meat let me shit it’s literally the circle of life animals kill each other everyday I mean cmon now 🤣🤣🤣
"human with slightly different DNA" - no i would not kill and eat him, just like I don't kill and eat any animal, I don't eat lions for example, I don't eat rhinos, and i believe most people don't, because those animals just aren't what we eat, we eat certain animals which we breed & raise to kill.
SF cyclone2021-12-02 08:21:47 (edited 2021-12-02 08:22:49 )
Has vegans ever heard of over population think about it if we stop eating meat then the world is going to be crowded with animals everywhere until our generation is over so eat meat everybody 👍
i don’t understand vegans like the one in the vid. animals eat other animals if that’s in their diet. if u guys rly want to protect animal then you’d have to isolate them from all their predators, not just us.
i don’t understand vegans like the one in the vid. animals eat other animals if that’s in their diet. if u guys rly want to protect animal then you’d have to isolate them from all their predators, not just us.
i don’t understand vegans like the one in the vid. animals eat other animals if that’s in their diet. if u guys rly want to protect animal then you’d have to isolate them from all their predators, not just us.
I would want to ask about over population because if we do t kill animals there will just repopulate over over again and there will be just a 1000 cows walking down the street
Also slavery in the bible was a lot different... in culture it was often a form of payment... also people who owned slaves were supposed to treat them more like servants.. take care of them etc. None of it was race/hate based... just a different culture :)
We had major flood in Fraser valley b.c thousands of farm animals drowned no peta or vegans in sight guess who was saving the live stock ? The FARMERS !
The crazy thing about the Bible is that it’s the only piece of material that makes sense no matter what time you read it. It predicted every major thing to happen so far in history.
do these people understand that animals don’t experience pain or feelings in the same way as humans? and that the food chain exists? it’s literally the natural order of life and a cow that gets killed and ate lives a more meaningful life than any middle aged soy drinking big fore-headed man virtue signaling about not eating something that is literally meant to be ate
See if you see eating animals like killing then you're gonna press charge on lions and they didn't shot or cut the throat they do the worst,I mean I m kinda against overusing of anything and killing animals till they extinct or didn't care about anyone just human that's fucked up because that's gonna destroy earth and us humans too but there is nothing wrong in eating animals because it's nature ,they are supposed to be eaten either by you or anyone to control their population and that's why they have high reproductive capabilities than carnivore animals and don't you guys ever read food web or food Chain ,plants convert light energy into chemical energy which eaten by herbivores and then carnivores so that nutrient and energy can transfer in biosphere and less energy transfer to things like tectonic plate,I hope vegans learn about ecology more . And those who think like eating plants are okay ,if you can't see a distinctive face in them it doesn't mean they didn't feel or response don't you heard of plants which eat insects or plants like orchids for example a orchid which transform its petal into female bee and male bee copulate with it and in process seeds get attached with bee body and it help in in reproduction of orchid.huh
I’m ngl....if we aren’t spose to eat animals why did God give us animals too eat, and sharp canines to tear meat, yeah we kill animals but animals also kill eachother, it’s the life cycle , learned this in elementary I thought lmao
John Doe2021-11-29 11:54:59 (edited 2021-11-29 11:59:34 )
Cool dude but weak arguments. The bilbe is also a very weak argument. An sacrificial offering ist always meant symbolic as an metapher.
The Fakt is: Eating meat is not the problem. Humans always have been doing it 4ever. The amount is. The Thing is back in the day ( your grandparents generation) they had meat once a week.
Nowadays you eat it 3 times day.
When more food is needed more food is served in the first world countries we live in.
Meat is so cheap nowadays it gets thrown away. Nowadays farmers have to put 100 cows in a stable, where their grandparents used to put in 30, just to be able to compete with the low prices.
Bro that human thing with slightly different DNA... That's literally the stupidest thing I've ever heard. No, we wouldn't kill them. Why? Because they still have human meat. Humans can't (well they can) eat their own meat but it's really really really really not healthy for you. So that just debunked that who situation. I do feel like this guy is just trying to scare JiDion or just make him feel bad and make him change his opinion. Which is kind of fucked. You shouldn't have to SCARE someone just to forcefully change someone's opinion. I mean my guy was like "the Bible talks about slaves!" Ok...? and...?
woah the bible never justified our terms of slavery today, the meaning of slave was way different back then, when it says slaves obey your masters it doesn’t mean our meaning today, there isn’t a stance to record in the bible of what the definition was in that time
feeling the white guy more than jid that vid not sry to say was good vid but white guy ist good man and jid kinda wasnt there (kinda cuz he as good man but obv. wanted to argue some but white man good andsmart man)
at the end of the day just bc accouple of people stop eating meat that doesn't mean there not going to stop making meat products and if u think about it vegans are eating the animals food so really they are also the bad guys
whos to say we bought from said slaughter house. animals we eat have been eaten since religion came about and before. just because you have the means to support a special diet experiment that contradicts how humans evolved diet wise. people are still starving and if a dead animal can help another live on im here for it. u aint been to 7th grade where u learn about how all energy is from the sun and we pass like 10 percent each time somethings eaten? you tryna be bottom of the chain and devolve? thank you, ill go back to eating my bacon burger
Whoa but fda has regulations in place so the animal feels no harm when ever they are put down. Humans are omnivores by nature and I eat in accordance. I have nothing against vegans or vegetarians but meat slaps and imma indulge.
Cognitive dissonance is strong asf in all vegans, yes all vegans. Vegetarians are cool n chill but vegans... so this dude had an issue with him going to a vegan establishment and cooking meat.. bit bookie but harmless.. nothing compared to a hoard of vegans posting up outside a steakhouse shouting at customers and making his business look bad to go to (as in why would you put yourself through going to a place where you're gonna get shouted at) But its fiiiiiiine we know the agenda. Just keep your ideology to yourself.
The thing is if you don't lessen or kill animals they are just gonna cause overpopulation over earth and distributing,killing them for meat is the best way to control it without wasting their lives
Then theres people like me that hunt the animal and cook it up after lmao... please tell me whitetail deer and canadian geese are going extinct oss 😂 man has been hunting since before any of us so its not something to shun someone for...
Bro you cant bring the bible into veganism.. it wont match up. Genesis its self proves veganism was the right way and you can get that out of the first 10 pages of the bible lol. The vegan guy is just trying to point out that animals obviously suffer and the vegan would just rather not bring suffering for his or hers taste buds. Vegan food is great tasting and is good for you (but like any other food there is vegan junk food) . Beliefs have nothing to do with veganism. Its simply just seeing the brutality in something and you try to mitigate it as much as possible. Its not hard to understand but people will always find some kind of excuse and that's why vegans need to do their best not to judge people but instead educate people on what they personally contribute to.
But for all you vegans out there humans killing animals wont stop animal deaths it's apart of the life cycle accept it or not if us humans dont kill animals there are so many animals that kill each other and not everyone pays for animals to die like I buy meat from stores the animal is dead regardless if I bought or my neighbor so I'm not saying vegan is wrong I'm saying dont judge and blame us for that stuff
Slavery is not justified by the bible (there were two groups of slave), it was trying to say that slaves were basically ppl who had debts so they had to work for someone , now the other types of slaves like the one that gets beaten the bible doesn't justify bcz if it was God wouldnt have delivered the Israelites from Egypt
If you so sympathise with the animals why not live with them vegans? Why live in this society made up by humans on top of the food chain where killing of animals and domination was necessary? If you feel so bad go out to the forest and eat and live with the deers and get eaten. Man why does the west have to be so stupid
The point about a semi human being killed for meat was so stupid
Because we already have somewhat of a similar concept with monkeys
I'm sure someone's out there eating monkey meat, but generally, no, we're not going to kill them. The only reason we find it acceptable to kill animals is because they're not as smart as us, and generally don't even have a concept of death or the fear of it, so they're quite literally indifferent anyway
Vegans forget animals don’t have a conscious, hopes and dreams. It’s not bout the dna it’s about the ability to have complex thoughts that’s why we don’t eat very smart animals like dolphins.
The animals they kill to sale at the market don’t get shot nor there throat slit they get hit a with a paralyzing darts and they die peacefully not from a. Bullet
even animals eat other animals like its just the way the world is tiger eats other animals for food just like humans we are animals too we eat other animals for food too there is a reason why meat is good for our blood and etc because thats the way world is.
Imo. The killing of animals for food is okay it’s the natural way of life we are at the top of the food chain. The treatment of animals is a different thing tho
mass slaughtering animals is kinda fucked up das why I eat localy produced meat, to ensure the animals had a happy life and were'nt cramped in a tiny space meat slaps tho
Vegans man literally trolling, their arguments are braindead. Like yeah if ur vegan go ahead no one minds but if ur gonna force ur ideals on someone get outta here. Like dud look at 3rd world countries man literally dying with disease and shit and this is what their arguing about 😔
"I care for animals" Congratulations to you, you care for an inferior life form. All of creation exists for humanity to subjugate, we are the greatest species in existence and no animal, no god, and no devil comes close to our greatness.
Little does this activist know that killing animals is part of nature and if we dont we die so yeah take that..... But also this guy pays to have plants cut down so its a tie.
Most of the animals who kill for food could not survive if they didn’t. That is not the case for us. We are better off not eating meat. Many other animals are vegetarian/vegan, including some of our closest primate relatives. Why don’t we look to them as our example instead of to carnivores?
Im a Christian and I can say that Jidon with love and respect you are not a Christian. The Bible is clear that if you have not repented of yours sins and trusted in Christ Jesus alone for salvation you are not saved and will be condemned to hell. I would like to talk to you more about this private and will pray for you.
Also There is huge chance i wont replay if you went the truth ask the peple who knows alot about quran and reads it then he well tell you why ur religon is fake you can use ur mind and ask also others
@عبدالرحمن 777 Heb 1:8 - But of the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your kingdom. The Bible is truth weather you believe it or not and will be accountable for this. Unless you don’t repent and believe in Christ Jesus which He says he’s the only way John 14:6, you will go to hell.
Isn’t getting shot in the head the best way to go anyways? Especially when you don’t even know it’s about to happen? It’s just life, then not. I’d definitely take getting shot in the head at the peak of my life then live old and in pain then get eaten alive by a pack of hyenas water
bro expects animals to die in their deathbed in nature
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B B2021-11-15 19:31:15 (edited 2021-11-15 19:37:19 )
Its always funny how vegans forget that plants are also living beings. And i dont see any vegans out there preventing lions or crocodiles from eating other animals when its so cruel to kill, but deny the circle of life and basic biology including animals eating insects and so on. Hypocrites. As long as everybody is eating plants and plant products, I am still gonna eat meat forever.
Most of the animals who kill for food could not survive if they didn’t. That is not the case for us. We are better off not eating meat. Many other animals are vegetarian/vegan, including some of our closest primate relatives. Why don’t we look to them as our example instead of to carnivores? The circle of life doesn’t always mean killing to survive. We are not about that life and rather pay someone else to do the killing..Or does you’re natural hunting instinct kick in when you a rabbit or any other animal that we as humans consume..?
What kind of ignorant uneducated comment is this .... "plants are living beings as well" "What about the lion and the crocodile"
Just because something is alive ... doesn't make it a SENTIENT being. Just like the wise bloke down here already stated ... Carnivores NEED to eat meat in order to survive ... You don't ... so that's not even a valid argument.
You refer to "the circle of life" ... p p p p p p l e e e e a se Bro ... just know you are quoting "Roger Allers" the main writer of the Lion King There is no such thing as the circle of life other than in that awesome original 1994 animation film.
What you are talking about is the "food chain"... and we are not taking part in that either. We are sitting on top of that (mostly with obese and overweight white folks) ONLY taking from it and not (mentionably) giving back to it at all. We are only disrupting it! Abusing it! and exploiting it!
The only hypocrite is you (and the other 98% of non vegans in the western/developed world) claiming it's basic biology. We are not carnivores, we are not omnivores,.... we ARE herbivores/frugivores on a poisoning omnivore diet. And it's good for nothing but destruction of health, forest land, wildlife, the climate and any LIVING being on this planet.... even your precious non-sentient plant lives.
If you speak so on a topic you better do your homework. Peeps like you quoting the Lion King, concerned about 'Plant lives" while eating meat (which effectively causes 20x more plants than a plant based diet) just need to STFU and do some basic Google search about your Human Anatomy/biology, your carbon footprint and the devastating effects of your (misjudged) actions.
Not being familiar with a topic is ok... but don't come out like you know what the hell you are talking about when you obviously don't have the slightest clue of what is or what's not. Do your own research, prevents people like me lecturing numbnuts like you.
I dont care what you call them plants and insects are still living beings wether you seem as one or dont. Both can feel pain. Just because you dont recognize them as such doesnt mean i or the rest of the world does. Sentient beings is smth that i dont believe is needed to qualify as a living being. Thats where our opinion goes apart.
Also labeling and blaming people as fat white folk shows what a limited and rascist small mind you have.
@B B if you care so much about living beings... Why are you not vegan! It has been PROVEN to be the best solution for now to do the least HARM to all life forms... Yes including PLANTS and BUGS.
You are VERY selective in what you "reply" to... Without even reading to what has been said. The WESTERN/DEVELOPED world is populated by MOSTLY white people with an obesity rate of 57% (adults) if we'd includde children we would stretch this number by another 11%. Call me a racist but uhmmm these Statistics don't lie... Even if YOU are ignorant about them.
You come with anecdotal pseudo sciences about plants feeling pain 🤷🏾♂️ Sure... Let's say they did, and let's pretend you cared!! Why are you with your carnist diet still causing them at least 20x more harm than the average vegan would do? The animals you are eating are herbivores... As in PLANT eaters. The amount of plants, bugs, water, land and CO2 emissions, carbon dioxide etc deaths/damage you cause with your diet is unprecedented!!!
No one I know was born into a vegan family (though they are obviously out there) It takes some small research to figure out what that diet of yours is causing to everything you pretend to care about.
No one can make you go vegen. They can only point out what your unaware/ignorant/uneducated actions are about. The damage they do and the violent atrocities you support at the moment with your money/choices. What you do with that... Is fully up to your personality and character.
Stop the B.S replies... Go check it out yourself... Saves me a lecture and you some "dignity"... Don't know your age but uhmm... You on some ol'school propaganda shizzle...
Plants FEEL pain... Think of that the next time you step on a lawn 😅... Get out of here with your sorry excuses just not to face an obvious truth!
“Animals are shot in the head and have their throats slit” yeah how else we supposed to eat the meat. I ain’t gonna cut the meat out while it’s alive, that’s way more cruel. Shit taste too fucking good to give up.
Vegans be spending so much energy on animals instead of underprivileged people, drugs, gambling homelessness etc . Seems like they lack purpose and use animals to get a sense of purpose and fulfilment and identity .
Yeah it’s fucked up killing animals but it’s just the circle of life. It sucks seeing a lion kill a baby buffalo but it’s not wrong. This is how it’s been for million of years and I doubt it will ever change for as long as animals exist.
He thinks people kill animals just to slit their throat😂 does he not know that's how people get fed?? If nobody killed animals, our species wouldn't be here today.
Dinosaurs used to rip other animals apart and eat some pieces from them…we try our best to kill in a non painful way the animal to eat it after because humans need meat. We are animals technically and we should not restrain from eating meat…lions rip skin and flesh off of live animals, thats hella painful…we one shot the specific animal and not pain is given upon it. Meat contains multiple vitamins and is high in protein, much higher in protein than any vegetables or non meat things.
David Ramms has zero logic and seems like an extremist. Especially when he insinuated that all feminist are women, whereby you could show your “Dong” to a male feminist. Thus, being a feminist is not exclusive to women. Also, he did a false comparison by even bringing that up in conjunction to being a vegan. That’s what we call a reach. He further tries to justify his point with fallacies. Worry about your own greenhouse fam.
Even animals kill other animals. It’s life. We are at the top of the chain. We were all created to be in this chain. If we didn’t kill animals their would be an overpopulation of them. They would take over and feed on all the things vegans eat. So therefore we would have no food if everyone went vegan
Killing animals does have to happen brother. The food chain and circle of life exists . If people just had to hunt their own meat everything would change , but money exists
No where in the Bible does Jesus say he is for slavery there was slavery happening in that time but that was normal. And the Bible is telling a story it isn’t Jesus talking all the time. Acts 17:25-28 that God made all races and nations, all of us by one blood (verse 26) for His purposes.
bro god put animals on this planet for food and to be harvest there animals they dont deserve the same rights as we humans we are the apex predator and we must stay that way
tbh i think vegans are arguing the wrong point here because people will never stop killing and eating meat, instead they should be arguing to give these animals better living conditions cause at the end of the day, what we do to the animals is wrong. but on top of that, animals only exist to reproduce and once they’re done that, they die so inherently eating meat is fine but the way we treat them before is kinda fucked up
Yeah this guy is the most intelligent being ever. Veganism is 10000% about saving animal lives and nothing else. Lol frl though veganism is mostly about health. Buying a burger in stores doesn’t have as big of an impact as the animal being fed antibiotics and sent out to be consumed. Idk. Jidion wasn’t much of an asshole. This guy had a bad argument.
The only reason i don't think that people should be vegan is because it isn't natural. In the wild animals eat other animals, humans are omnivorous creature therefore they eat BOTH plants AND animals. It's just the cycle of life, prey gets eaten by predator.
See my issue with that thinking is look at nature. Nature literally has no morals animals get eaten alive every day; eaten by bigger predators in gruesome fashion and that’s fine. However when humans kill an animal that’s inhumane. It’s done fast and swiftly; unlike ya know being eating while still being conscious. There ain’t no problem loving animals and wanting no harm to come to them but regardless of humans existing or not the animals still die horrific deaths daily and avoiding this aspect of diet does not change this. Plus if we never consumed animals that would really fuck up the food chain and lead to drastic overpopulation.
The problem with the vigen group is that a part of them want to shove it down peoples throats. It’s not all of them but that group that dose that makes them all look bad.
As a filipino I can't imagine living without meat I think most people here would rather die than be forced to not eat meat.. So much of our culture is surrounded by roster fighting, pig slaughtering, ect.. If some white people want to push their culture on us they should just not talk.
Props to that David ram guys for not being a total dick about the whole thing. I get on his videos he kinda has to play it off a little bit and act real mad because if he didn’t he wouldn’t have a audience. I like that he was able to have a normal conversation though and actually speak on a way that might change peoples minds instead of just going crazy and speaking irrational, kinda like he did comparing a man going into a feminist restaurant ( didn’t know they existed ) and pulling your dick out.
They don’t shoot animals in the head they use a Device called a thumper that looks like a drill and takes a blunt metal rod about 5 inches long and 3 inches wide and instantaneously kills them without making them suffer
Thats not the same. If we only ate the meat necessary it would be different imo but we breed the animals only to have them live in cages, pumped with chemicals and to eat them. Its really cruel. Also as the meat industry grows they keep making more space for it and thats one of the main causes of climate change. If people only ate the meat needed naturally then it would be fine but its not that way. I dont think eating meat is bad but in this comment section it seems like everybody is really close minded and that nobody even understands why its wrong. I think its partially because we don’t want to admit to ourselves we’re doing harm so it’s easier to shift blame.
“Slightly different DNA” bruh it’s a different number of chromosomes and their anatomy is entirely different… does this man even know what a belief is 🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️
I think people are forgetting the cows we eat are bread just to die and be eaten their are sanctuaries and stuff that have protected animals but most shit we eat is specially breeded for eating
animals don’t fear death because they aren’t smart enough but humans are so if there was a species that was just like humans but with different dna they would fear death and we wouldn’t kill them because it wouldn’t be ethical but as long as you put the animal out of its missouri quickly the animal won’t care like what’s it gonna do comeback from the dead and get all of its animal friends to come kill me and my family
Jidion that thing u got from the bibble about sacrafacing a lamb that's in the old testament. Ppl dont do that now . If they do they belive the old testament "sacrifices " have to be done now . The only sacrifice that's valid now that's been done already is Jesus Christ . He was the ultimate sacrifice for our sins .dosen't mean to keep to keep sinning wilfully. But repent and follow Jesus Christ
8:46 buddy humans share dna with a lot of things all eukaryotic cells/ beings share similar dna humans and bananas have over 60% similar dna vegans are retarded
Slit their throats and shoot them? There’s a rod that pounds on their head and kills them immediately on contact. Maybe u slit their throats after to drain blood but it’s already dead. Meat will never go away. We are animals too, most animals eat other animals. If we aren’t the ones to eat them they will just get eaten alive by other animals. And eventually wild animals will be running in the cities attacking with all sorts of diseases. If u really think about it every person going vegan wud just not be good for every animal. Hunters are needed, farmers r needed, butchers r needed. U do u but in the end if everyone were to be vegan it just wudnt work.
Get right with the lord Jesus Christ before it’s too late repent and put ur faith in Christ. Jesus Christ died on the cross for our sins and risen on the third day he’s the only way to eternal life John 14:6 John 3:36 John 3:16 Romans 10:9
Plants provide carbon dioxide to the world and so do trees so according to veganism we shouldn’t eat from those two things cuz it’s cruel to us humans to destroy plants and trees for our own selfish desires
They aren’t shot in the head it’d be a pain to take the bullet out every time also it’s the circle of life animals eat other animals we eat to survive but some people just eat to eat lol 😂
animals aren’t meant to freely spring around joyfully till they die of old age, farm animals are not pets lol, and what about wild animals who hunt and kill to survive ? I think veganism is just fake and another way to push people to becoming soft individuals, if it were such a problem we would have people in China or wherever they serve dog and cat and save em all but that’s not the case is it? There are animals being abused and tortured but farm animals being killed for food is a big problem okay 👍
This dude is worried about animals who were put on this earth for us to eat them, yet fine with millions of babies being murdered at plan parenthood...😭
The talisman2021-10-16 14:57:05 (edited 2021-10-16 14:57:42 )
The guy in the beginning really said he’d smash your camera, You could of snapped that little vegan in half , I don’t understand why it’s always small guys like that , that think they can fight 😂😂😂
Bruh they just fry their brain and they live happy because the meat is better when the cow is happy so they have a great life but a short one it’s like partying for us and die of liver cancer at 30y/o so it’s the same shit
When will people learn that animals are made for us to eat cause if a world ending event happen humans are the only species that have a chance to survive
Does this man not realize that killing animals is automated and they just straight up electrocute them like how is this man gonna call himself a vegan and against killing animals and not even know the process of how there killed
I like his pranks but vegan ppl are religious ab their food. They care so much ab veganism n the animals on an emotional level for some reason lol. I’ll never understand but I’ll respect that they get sensitive ab it bc they are passionate ab it
Think about it like this, we are just animals like them, we have lived as predators for ages as well as omnivores, heck, we even kill other humans all the time for our own gain just like animals, being a vegan is pointless, it’s just nature to eat other animals, like what are they gonna do, try to convince tigers to go vegan? Huh? Before we think about other animals, we gotta start thinking about ourselves, because even in our society it’s practically the same as the food chain, the powerful (rich) prosper of of them weak’s (poor’s) suffering. That’s all there is to it
U coulda ended the whole argument by saying its primal instict to eat animals for our health ur not gonna go in the savanna and tell lions to stop eating meat like thats how they survive
Romans 10 : 9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be savedJohn 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life
Vegans are Nazi's. To be a true vegan you can't use soap, technology, this and that because not only animals are used for meat they have so many other uses
Why David act like people kill those animals for pleasure? Like they went to the farm, shot them in the head, slit their throat and let them lay there. ITS FOOD!
At least in America there exist no human like animal (any Prime ape) that can be killed for a meal it’s illegal .So for him to keep driving that point is stupid us killing animals and giving them quick deaths is waaaaayyy better than a fucking croc grabbing a live baby elk, dragging it into the water by the neck, and spinnning until it runs out of oxygen and it’s neck breaks. It’s also better than a female lions watching as her baby cub is mauled by a pack of hyenas and better than as honey badger going into a burrow and killing to like baby cubs as the mother watches in horror. Vegan always preach shit but, never see the other side of things.
Honestly ji dion this is sick, but this is the thing I hate about animal activists. They always bring BLM or Feminism or any race into random ass topics. Istg they bring in anything topical
That’s just a natural thing other animals eat meat like lions or tigers and a lot more. They hunts and kill to eat animals. Just like how we did back then as cave mans or how native Americans use to hunt for animals. But the present day is humans are just more advance than animals that’s why we have slaughter houses so what I am trying to say is eating meat is a natural thing.
So plants don't have lives too or is it just easier to kill them and forget about them. much less plants actually has a good effect on the earth as well neither of them is wrong. But all the animals being slain is massed reproduced so I dont see what's the problem compared to plant life everyday our c02 is getting worst in the earth.
I'm pretty sure a shot to the head is instant death and I don't think anyone slits the throats I think probably chopping the head off but that is also instant I would think too I don't know about about this stuff but I don't think they torture the animals to get the meat like he's presenting
Concept vegans miss, animals are simply not conscious like humans are. Theyre brains are less developed and so is there experiential existence if they even have one.
The animal flesh eater didn't really see the point. Animals have just as much a right to live as you... i would have thrown you out of that restaurant myself. Alot of people pay good money to have a kosher/Vegan environment.
It's like making a prank video about dead slaves. It's distasteful. And only the fucked up ones find it funny.
On one hand I do sympathize with vegans on the way that the animals are treated but that wouldn't bring the meat back to life him not buying just means that it stays on the shelf and let's say that we do release the cows then become vulnerable to predation which causes an influx predators due to so many cows being released but on the other hand if no predators do come about then the cow population spurs outa controls and hurts the environment and ecosystem around it
Here's the thing though, why do we have to care about the lives of livestock that's to be slaughtered anyway? We're not the ones feeling their pain when we slit their throats, and we don't have to feel it or imagine it, we don't have to save them, we're us. We're at the top of the food chain so why should we care about what our food or other animal feels. I get saving the endangered ones and wild animals, they're beautiful and an essential part of the ecosystem and climate, and so the world. But livestock animals are literally bred (for thousands of years) for our consumption.
Vegans or veganism is just a cult full of people who think they're better than everyone else, so much so that they don't account the economic, cultural, and nutritional threads that are woven into the compliacted fabric of the livestock industry and history of meat consumption
The Bible is a book yet to be changed, lol. And the Bible doesn’t justify slavery, it talks about slavery being accepted but never once says it’s ok, God doesn’t say it is good, reading Bible verses out of context gets the view point of “slavery is ok.”
If you still believe in the Bible that your enslavers imposed onto you you really need to take a look at who you are and understand how that is used to control you.
Crown the Sun2021-10-06 03:33:44 (edited 2021-10-06 03:34:23 )
I think the bottom line is you think humans are more important than any other creature and we justify it for taste. I think we can all agree that’s wrong even tho we agree to disagree
the debate is at the end of the day its not about belief or relative truth but an objective one. His idea about an animal having slightly different DNA works, monkey only have 3% difference in dna and are less intelligent than us but scientifics consider some aniumals to have up to 15 years old childs intelligence. So by killing them you are killing beings that are much closer to you than you think.
aint gonna lie ur arguments were pretty shitty xd, i thought u were just gonna let him know why it was only comedy instead u compared veganism with bible killing goats.. Im not vegan but u looked pretty bad on that debate, he argues something and u say anyone has the right to believe whatever, okey then i believe in slevery u see how that makes no sense..
@Daniel Unless you’re a psychopath, there is a problem with slicing the throat of an innocent animal who did nothing to you for the mere sensory pleasure of taste
@Daniel Plants don’t have a nervous system therefore can’t feel pain like sentient animals. Also, when you pick an apple of the tree, you’re not killing the plant. Absolute moron 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@Lanthums I thought the whole thing was it being alive in general? If it’s just because of pain, then we can just use anesthesia and then kill them🤷🏾♂️
@SouthwestKPHL Air You’re stupid for thinking that and idk who the hell told you that. The reason we want you to stop murdering animals is because they have their own individual subjective reality. They have a consciousness. They feel emotions, pain, just like you. We don’t treat other animals like this, so why treat any like that you weirdo? It’s already been proven multiple times that it is not necessary for us to be healthy. And are you dyslexic? I stated that we don’t kill the plant when we pick from it, why tf would we needlessly kill plants anyway?
@SouthwestKPHL Air That’s like saying, “Hey, it’s okay to shoot someone in the head because they won’t feel it anyway.” Doesn’t make it okay to take their whole reality away just because they didn’t feel it
I mean I get what the man was trying to say and what jiDion was trying to say. The thing that’s really messed up in this world today is that there isn’t really respect for no one I’m doing religion race etc. the world gotta now of you don’t believe in something someone else believes in do be disrespectful and don’t come over and asking for respect if you don’t do the same. Not only that don’t push your beliefs on someone who clearly don’t want to believe what you believe. Just be kind be you it’s not that hard.We need to learn how to respect one another
We have all sinned and fallen short of Gods glory and the only one who can save us from it is Jesus Christ who died on the cross for our sins and rose again and all we have to do is believe so repent of your sins and believe in the gospel today so you can be saved don’t get it twisted it is by what Jesus has done and not your works love you.
demarcus, you’ll probably never read this but for the argument u used about the Bible saying they sacrificed animals, was not very good. We do not sacrifice anymore because we don’t need to. In the sold test,ent they sacrificed animals to show what was to come. but since Jesus already dies for us we don’t need to sacrifice anymore. However, there is a different reason we can still eat animals. God put humans on the earth to rule over what he created such as animals. We can eat animals because they’ve been out on earth for humans. so next time try to share a valid reason but nice vid
Dude really said the Bible promotes slavery, has this nigga ever picked up a Bible?
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Mr. Malcolm2021-08-28 02:49:26 (edited 2021-08-28 02:50:59 )
You can’t stop nature. What is natural isn’t wrong. The food chain exist as a part of nature. A lot of vegans are just so afraid of the fact that animals get killed. Humans aren’t the only ones doing it. Omnivores and carnivores in the wild they slaughter their prey alive. It’s just natural order and nature isn’t always pretty, all those hurricanes that kill thousands and earthquakes have shown that. You can’t run from it forever, you can’t try to hide and try to get everyone to live in your butterfly lion kind world where nothing succumbs to nature’s judgement. It’s a fact the human are omnivores, that doesn’t just mean we’re capable of eating both plants and animals, our bodies are designed to survive optimally off a diet consisting of both. If we weren’t meant to consume animals our bodies wouldn’t be equipped to do so. We would probably die if we tried. I know it’s sounds like a terrible sounding thing, it certainly doesn’t help when you constantly paint yourself the picture of animals dying. But some animals belong to the food chain as animals to be consumed, In those lower trophic levels. It’s not wrong, it can be sad, maybe unfortunate depending on how you look at it, and yea nowadays it can be avoided a lot more than before, but it’s not immoral, it’s not inhumane it’s nature. Other sorts of animal mistreatments yes, very much so, are wrong, should be discouraged, they way they are raising some of them is cruel. But the mere act of consuming another animal isn’t wrong.
How i see it and you shouldve brought this up is hes complaining about how people slaughter and kill animals but animals that hunt other animals do the same thing probably worse idk i feel like vegans are being 2 extreme about that. animals like a wolf wouldnt care if the pig suffers or not its going to eat a pig insides while its alive and they will feel all the scratching and tearing its just how it is they just missing out on good food tbh
Don’t bring up slavery and not realize most of your essential were made exploiting third world countries. Veganism is unsustainable for most people even so called vegans have failed ,but won’t admit it , that’s on them.
That dude made up the most ridiculous hypothetical I’ve ever heard in my life, with his logic I could say “if there were plants and vegetables just like our vegetables that were basically human but with slightly different dna would u eat that?" It just sounds ridiculous
They sacrificed lambs before Jesus died on the cross we don’t have to do that anymore, however, the Bible says we are to use the animals for harvesting and there is nothing wrong with it which is why this agnostic dude has a problem
also if you dont want to kill the animal then don't, there are people that do that lol, and whether u eat it or not, you're not the one killing, there's still gonna be people killing animals there's nothing u can do about it lol
When someone goes vegan, they stop paying for someone to kill on their behalf. If you're continuously paying for meat, you're responsible for the animal deaths.
@Grayz It's something I can stop contributing to. The world will go vegan eventually when we lab-grown mean cultured from animal cells. Once that becomes as healthy, tasty and affordable as animal meat, most people will make the switch. Because most people care about animals.
@Heekamalo Kilo you can care aboout animals and still eat meat lol. i don't understand why everyone has to make it such a big deal. like animals were literally made so we can eat them XD not saying you have to but I'm saying you shouldn't get mad at someone bc they're eating it. u do u
But who really is to say that killing animal is wrong because let’s say we were all agnostic then who gets to decide what’s right or wrong, there is no standard then it becomes just your opinion.
@Heekamalo Kilo I’m not saying it’s right, I’m saying if God wasn’t there it would be just an opinion because we are all equal and no one would listen if the order wasn’t divine
@raph mwanza I agree that it would be an opinion, but I disagree that "no one would listen". Atheists also have a sense of morality you know; they just don't get it from God. Also, I'm trying to understand why posted your original comment. Are you implying that a non-religious person can't go around talking about morality?
@Heekamalo Kilo no what I’m saying that for something to be considered right or wrong a higher authority has to decide that, it’s like quadruplets having an argument about age
@raph mwanza "For something to be considered right or wrong a higher authority has to decide that". I disagree. We all have our own sense of morality. Eating animals seems to be justified in religion, and is also legal by law but vegans clearly have a different point of view. The cruelties happening to animals are real; it's just a case of whether you care enough or not. JDion here is using his religion to justify the cruelty but religious vegans do exist. They realise that they have their own moral agency and can choose to not contribute to suffering. You are allowed to disagree with someone's morals even without believing in a god.
Acting like overpopulation of animals doesn’t exist. If we just allowed animals to roam free and didn’t execute slaughtering, we’d be overrun. I think that using them for their resources, such as food for example, is far more respectful than it would be if we just killed them and tossed them aside. Although, we then get into the topic of discussion based around the perspective of, “Is it justified to kill living creatures just for our well being?” At that point, it’s all about subjective moral belief or disbelief. That argument could be applied to say, Cows. Cows eat grass, walk on grass, etc. Grass is a living organism, and within that grass live millions of microscopic organisms that are live. You could say, “But those things do not matter because of how small and insignificant they are.” Well, what significance do cows have? Sure, they may “feel” but they do not have the consciousness level or cognitive application that we do; therefore, they don’t even understand the difference between being alive in a reserve, or being killed in a slaughterhouse. They are indifferent to it. At the end of the day though, do any of us truly matter in the universe, as simple atoms? It’s all about what you believe, my friends.
You're acting like farm animals would overpopulate the Earth if we didn't kill them. They only exist because we breed them. If we stopped breeding them then, no, they would not overpopulate the Earth.
@Heekamalo Kilo And how would we stop breeding them? By enclosing them. If they truly believed in the freedom of animals, they wouldn’t be in an enclosure of any type; therefore, it would directly correlate to animals breeding more. Just as every other mammal, their natural instinct is to have sex. So yes, over an extended period of time in freedom, the population would increase extensively.
@Joe Mama Nope. If the world does go vegan, it'll happen at a gradual pace so the demand for animal products will slowly and steadily decrease. There won't be that many animals to look after and they can live out the rest of their lives in peace at a sanctuary. A good sanctuary has a lot of space for an animal to roam. If humans are worried about population increase at a particular sanctuary, they can employ neutering methods.
@Heekamalo Kilo Not that many animals to look after and take care of..? The total population of farm animals, is quite large. So, if the need for those animals decrease, what will we do with the lasting ones? If they are not killed, in short, there will be far too many anyway. And also, wouldn’t neutering methods be damaging the animal in its natural form? Shouldn’t that be sacrilege if you’re so against harming animals? That’s taking away from the animal, no matter if it does them harm or not. Don’t act like you care for them if you’d strip them of parts of their body.
@Joe Mama Why would there be fat too many? The world isn't going vegan overnight. The reason for neutering would be to prevent future suffering because, you said so yourself, overpopulation. Neutering helps combat that. I think a factory farm does worse things to an animal than a vegan sanctuary ever could.
We're not doing it to "survive" though. We have other food options. Animals in the wild don't. Carnivores aren't even adapted to eat plants, but we are.
Your arguing is shit, you did the prank for views and that’s it. You mean no harm to yourself but without the intentions of others and how they will feel.
Dude probably against military but that morality cancels due to connivence. He on the internet and probably used gps to find the restaurant at some point. Keep it 💯
I get both sides but me personally I love steaks is it wrong yes, would I harm a animal no. Am I gonna eat a big juicy steak that was slaughtered for me to enjoy yes. If not that juicy cow was slaughtered for nothing.
The only reason the cow was slaughtered in the first place was because consumers paid for it to happen. It's a supply + demand loop. It's not a one-way thing where you're not responsible for the animal deaths, so you are harming an animal.
@Heekamalo Kilo yeah but I’m not naïve I alone can’t change the system, so until the system is changed I won’t let them die for nothing. I’ll continue to eat and be thankful what they died for.
@Greg V "I won't let them die for nothing" Is that your outlook on food? You think you have some moral responsibility to consume animals? Do you consume all animal meats, then? If you decide to not consume a particular type then it'll go to waste, right?
Animals kill other animals way more brutality and gives them a way more painful death. So I'm not against us killing animals, but killing too many animals can disturb the natural balance.
In the wild ,something or a predator is going to eat or harm that animal , so why not interfere and care for it feed it and consume it yourself, Same goes for fruits and vegetables Either let animals eat it or you take care of it and consume it.
The domestic animals that we eat aren't "rescued" from the wild. They were bred specifically for human consumption and most of them will either be eaten by humans or killed when they're no longer of "use". Vegans support the third option which is to rescue them from early death and take care of them in sanctuaries.
Good and evil are total opposites but one and the same....vegans kill plants...plants are alive. I'm meatgan...I'm against plants being killed . Your killing defenseless life.
A word for vegans...If you only eat plants then aren't you killing the plants ? Aren't you cutting them in half for your need? Plants are also living species! Vegens are as cruel as Non-vegan, but they have different point of view!
I also eat meat for the nutrients. Vegans can claim all they want that they can give you a just as high protein diet but meat will always be more efficient at delivering protein
@hotel moscow And I just gave you a typical vegan response to your point. As you said, meat is "more" efficient at delivering protein, but plants still deliver it. Beans and lentils are actually very good sources of protein, so even if you're not getting it to the same "efficiency", you're still enough and properly. Bodybuilding can also be done on a vegan diet. I said veganism isn't about protein. It's about animal liberation, so vegans hope that the sense of empathy for the animals should overpower the desire to get your protein from meat.
Should have told him, I'm against you murdering plants for your diet. Technically fruits and veggies are alive too until you pick them so what's the difference
That won't happen. Domesticated farm animals only exist in large numbers due to the demand for meat. If there wasn't a demand for the product, the animals wouldn't be bred. No overpopulation.
Humans decided that they were "superior to nature" when they started living in artificial environments and created a legal code that everyone has to follow. The human food production system is already so far removed from what you'd find in nature. Most people who consume animals will never even know what that animal looked like. Not very "natural".
A lion won't think twice before eating a human's ass or any other animal for that matter, why does it matter if we kill another animal that has no soul or consciousness?
The point is that they DO have consciousness. Cows, pigs, chickens etc have consciousness. I don't know how you'd conclude that they don't after observing them for a few minutes.
Plants and vegetables are living things too you water them feed them fertilizer and can even add pills to maintain it healthy same thing with an animal whats the difference it’s not like yall saving the whole world by being vegan
All jokes aside the guy is severely misinformed. Even regarding the Bible he tried to play into his emotions by saying “the Bible promotes slavery”, insinuating a slave=Black man. Every race owned slaves and it didn’t become a race thing until the 1800’s. Also there were no where near the amount of African slaves that they promote. Slavery in the Bible’s context isn’t exactly the Oxford definition version or what we are taught today. Also he says “we have to modernize things”. Why? That makes no sense. Modernize is just because right? These animals are food for us. You don’t have to eat meat but there are animals that u can eat and animals that u can’t or definitely should not eat. You’ll normally see the Caucasian dealing with extremes and not really much nuance. Back then it was “let’s destroy everything”, now it’s “let’s save everything”.
I’m vegan and the first video didn’t bother me at all. Kinda found it funny lol. I do it for health benefits though. I’m not one of those animal activists. I love animals but that much lol. Do and eat what y’all want. To each’s own 💯
I personally wouldn't call you a "vegan" then. Veganism is about animal liberation. If you stopped eating animals for your health, then I'd say that you consume a plant-based diet.
@Heekamalo Kilo that sounds like an animal advocate or activist. Veganism definition literally means eating plant based and not using animal products. Like I am a black man, even if I don’t advocate BLM I’m still a black man you feel me?
@Nu Knowledge I understand what you're saying, but I disagree. Veganism cannot be reduced to just a diet; there has to be some ethics behind it, otherwise it's not veganism. You certainly don't have to be an activist to be a vegan (most vegans aren't); you just have to want to reduce your own contribution to animal suffering, which includes not only your diet but extends to clothing, entertainment etc. According to The Vegan Society: "Veganism is a philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude—as far as is possible and practicable—all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose; and by extension, promotes the development and use of animal-free alternatives for the benefit of animals, humans and the environment. In dietary terms it denotes the practice of dispensing with all products derived wholly or partly from animals." Most vegans follow this definition or something similar. If you're only doing it for health, you can say you follow a plant-based diet, or even a vegan diet, but you technically wouldn't qualify as a "vegan".
God straight up told peter that meat was ok to eat from then on. Not eating meat is actually more outdated than the bible because meat was only unclean in the old testament
Im not vegan but i do agree its very messed up how the animals r slaughtered and used for other shit people could 100% be more humane when using the animals
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Let's say that we eat meat to save the trees And they are making a deforestation just to eat some grass And ask them if they care of the trees Let's do the same thing except we care about the trees not the cows XD
All you had to tell him was it’s the natural cycle of life. Humans are animals just as much as a pig is. Only difference is pigs aren’t predators and we are. The same way a wolf would rip chunks out of a living pig to eat it. We simply flail them painlessly in order to eat. He should be fighting wolves and telling them to stop
@imStrongPlayz I misread but I also don't agree. I don't think that's a good justification for killing animals. We have other food options, so why not just eat those? We don't have to cause animal suffering. Also, why should vegans fight wolves? We can't communicate with them and they don't have the same moral agency as us.
most land animals that have meat will most likely when they get old they won’t be able to walk anymore so they will be stuck there starving to death and being eaten by ants and stuff i think
It's pretty sad how people try to invalidate the animal liberation movement. Someone needs to speak for the animals. People can care about humans and non-humans at the same time.
@House of Dismemberment Then we'll never get to the animals. There will always be a human rights issue somewhere. It's okay to care about multiple things at once.
@ProdbyMarx Well most people would rightly be unsure how to respond in that situation. Again, as someone who has done activism, meat eaters seem to be the most sensitive.
David isn't 100% on target, I'll check out a vegan place if I'm looking for food because as a veggie it's great food and a big choice. I love animals, but meat doesn't offend me.
I bet there are vegans who play Minecraft wtf they do just strictly eat berries? Fruits?That’s why when god put us on this earth he gave us animals for our source of food ur telling me I’m just supposed to ignore that and feel bad cause what I ate was living plants living too 💀
I’m just going to say this and leave it here because of the religion conversation started in the video JiDion. Animal sacrifices to the Lord was Old Testament under the old covenant. When Jesus died on the cross, he offered himself as a living sacrifice for our sins. Jesus was the ultimate sacrifice which is why we no longer sacrifice animals and offer them to God for our sins. So please don’t say the Old Testament is still relevant today. We don’t offer the animals we kill to God. People go out and kill animals and we eat them because that’s food. The other guy’s viewpoint doesn’t make sense either. He was making points about “something being written 1,000” years ago not being relevant. There are a lot of things in the Bible that are quite relevant today and applicable in everyday life but a lot of things in the Old Testament don’t apply to the New Testament and the new covenant. Just saying.
"its not real peace" well i mean not if its halal meat lmao. (for those of you who do not know what halal meat is, its basically meat eaten by, Muslims or can also be eaten by non Muslims that is blessed when the animal is killed)
@Kyle Kirkland If your diet consists of no animal products at all, then you can say it's plant-based. Since you're not doing it for ethical reasons, I'm assuming you don't refrain from buying leather, wool etc which are things vegans avoid buying.
These people really think nature is all cuddly animals like bambi. I swear if you put a vegan out in the wild, 6 months later they’re gonna have some different viewpoints when they experience just how brutal Mother Nature is.
Most vegans would have no issue with killing for survival in the wild. The point is that you and I aren't living in the wild and we have other food options, making animal product consumption unnecessary.
@Heekamalo Kilo That’s only been the case as of recently. My dad was the first generation of his family that didn’t have to hunt to put good food on the table. It’s part of my culture and history. Even historians attribute the growth of human brains to eating meat.
I agree it can be done in a much more sustainable fashion. For instance I buy a cow from one of the local farms when they have one ready, and split it with friends and family.
@Heekamalo Kilo It’s a very privileged place we come from to be able to place morality on what someone eats. Many places don’t have the luxury of an abundance of crop lands and have to make due living off what’s available. So most people around the world don’t even get a choice they just eat to survive. They also need meals that won’t have a lack of nutrients and will keep them full throughout the day.
@Lucian S I agree that I'm privileged to be able to place morality on what I eat, but that doesn't make it any less necessary to do so. Once I acknowledged that the animals that I ate were worthy of moral consideration, excuses like "habit", "culture" and "convenience" weren't good enough. Thankfully, I live somewhere where I have access to a variety of healthy and affordable plant-based foods at the supermarket. Therefore, I'm not concerned about price and health.
@Heekamalo Kilo So that’s where a lot of people find vegans annoying. You can’t pick and choose what’s important to other people based on your moral compass. Cause it’s all opinions. You have yours and I have mine, which both have equal value.
I’m fine with eating most animals if it’s for survival, because I know that if I were the vulnerable one and an animal is hungry then it would eat me. That’s how the world works, so I don’t have these inhibitions about the reality none of us chose on this planet. Where as on the other hand I find culture is very important so just because you can toss yours away willingly doesn’t mean you can expect or try to shame others to. Our cultures are what built the societies to be the sustainable world we live in now, and where we can even have these discussions.
@Lucian S Do you think it's okay to leave an ethical argument at "we just have different opinions" when there's a victim involved? Of course vegans don't like it when non-vegans (the ones who are able to vegan) use "culture" as an argument against them personally not going vegan. Why does culture dictate morality? Don't people judge immorality in other cultures (when it comes to human rights) all the time? Vegans are just asking people to empathise with animals and recognise that they should be worthy of moral consideration. If you were eating animals for survival, vegans would take no issue with that. But if you have other food options available (e.g. access to a supermarket with a variety of healthy and affordable plant-based foods), that's when an activist might try to convince you. Also, I'm not sure which "sustainable world" you're living in because I'm certainly not in it. 😅 Climate change would not be an issue if we were living sustainably. Also, cutting out animal products from one's diet tends to greatly reduce one's carbon footprint.
@Heekamalo Kilo I don’t see animals eaten for food as a “victim” or atleast not how most people would define a victim. A victim of its circumstances in this universe which is cruel but a frankly a stark reality for anything that exists here on this planet, then yes.
Humans kill animals to build our homes, cities, when we drive cars, hell even the crop lands used to grow veggies had to be cleared of life and continued to be cleared every year. There are other consequences too like pollution from pesticides and diversion of water away from where it would naturally flow. All of this effects animals and contributes to more “victims.” Should it all be halted because a subset of the population thinks it’s morally wrong, or do you think they’ll tweak their stance to continue to enjoy all the luxuries? That’s where I find it funny how vegans pick and choose
@Lucian S If someone who is sentient and can feel pain doesn't have to be killed, but they're killed anyway, then aren't they a victim? What about dairy cows who are continuously impregnated and separated from their calves only to be killed once they get too old to produce milk? Are they not victims? What about male chicks who aren't useful to egg industry and are killed soon after they're born? Are they not victims? You're implying that vegans "pick and choose" but all of the things you mentioned are things a vegan would care about. If it kills an animal, a vegan cares. The easiest way to reduce one's contribution to animal suffering is cutting animal products from your diet. Humans kill BILLIONS of land animals every year just to eat and TRILLIONS of fish. That's a lot of unnecessary death. Most vegans also happen to care about the environment, so I'm sure they prefer organic farming.
@Heekamalo Kilo Just because animals die for food doesn’t make them victims. It makes them part of the ecosystem, and you should be ecstatic that humans are at the at top.
Which brings me back to the original point, that for human societies to even exist successfully, then we have to kill animals. You know the societies that afford luxuries like an abundance of plant foods, half of which go bad anyways and still greatly effect nature to grow and harvest. Which just transporting has a huge carbon footprint. So regardless of how vegans like to pat themselves on the back for not eating meat they still love to partake in many of the activities that are cruel or contribute to animal suffering. The difference is I know that’s the reality of humans and where we are in today’s world, whereas vegans use it as a badge to make themselves feel morally superior.
Similar to how people would and still do shame others based on their religion.
@Lucian S I don't think everyone's going to suddenly change their habits due to a minority, but how do you think movements grow? Education and activism. This is what many vegans and environmentalists try to do. The world is becoming more and more sustainable, and there's also going to be a preference for not using/killing animals unnecessarily. Veganism is growing, so more and more vegan options are becoming available. I personally would get a new house built for me, so that bit isn't in issue for me. I support organic farming whenever I can to reduce my contribution to pesticide use and I don't own a car and I'm not planning on buying one (for environmental reasons). If I did get an electric car, I try my best to ensure many of the parts are vegan. This will depend on availability and affordability. Veganism is about doing your best. "For human societies to even exist successfully, then we have to kill animals"??? Why? How's society going to collapse without animal products? Plant-based diets tend to have a lot smaller carbon footprint than omnivorous diets. Fact. (taking into account transport) Veganism isn't about being superior to others, it's recognising that animals should needlessly be exploited. It's about animal liberation. It's impossible under the current system to eliminate all of one's contribution towards animal suffering; veganism is about doing whatever's practicable and possible, and changing your diet is one the simplest, biggest things a vegan can do. I've already told you how many animals humans kill every year to eat. I really don't understand why you're so against veganism. Why aren't animals victims if they're dying unnecessarily? Do you think animals are worthy of ANY moral consideration?
Being vegan isn’t necessarily about saving animals. I know plenty of vegans who don’t really care about the animals they don’t eat meat because of all the chemicals being fed to the animals and they don’t want to consume the same chemicals being fed to the animals. Also Just because you stop eating meat doesn’t stop that animal from being killed . Also I can’t really stand ppl with his viewpoints because they will scream for animal rights but stay silent when black and brown ppl are getting killed by police everyday . I have nothing against vegans I like to try vegan meals and would like to eat a mostly plant based diet myself
Veganism IS about animal liberation though. If someone stops consuming animal products for health, but not for the animals, then they're not vegan. They just have a plant-based diet.
Why would he freeze up? He would eat whatever he could find. Thankfully, he isn't lost in the wilderness so he doesn't have to consume animal products.
This generation of ours complicates things . If you don't eat the cows or goats & sheeps . What is the point of them living . They will just overbreed and destroy the vegatation .In this world in order to get something you need to give something.
Jidion I believe in the Bible too and I support everything you said but the Bible points that Jesus sacrificed himself so you don’t have to sacrifice a lamb
The ones who are doing more to save animals are wildlife biologists, conservationists, scientists in general. And most of them aren't vegan. Just being vegan won't save animals.
Hes right tho? The bible justifies stoning, but we cant do that today, you cant take the bible as a word by word rulebook. You have to put what it says into todays terms.
I mean he seems chill, but our ancestors decided to go for meat, instead of eating just vegetables. Why? It was more nutritious and actually filled them up, I mean just look at nature, they dont give a shit about any orher animals, hell hyenas will eat something alive, same with other animals. No vegan can comment saying this is false, unless of course they still think the earth is flat.
This is an appeal to tradition fallacy. Just because we have done something for a long time, doesn't mean we should continue doing so. And humans can be perfectly healthy on a plant-based diet, so the "more nutritious" thing is irrelevant. And the part about hyenas not caring about other animals is an appeal to nature fallacy.
it's honestly the sickest role in the food chain to jus take an animal out of its misery and then inhale its fkn nutrients and shit.. play your role and shit.. stay in your carnivorous lanes and shit.. vegetarians are battling nature not us.. that okay, be skinny af, we wont wanna eat you then, i see their tactics.. vegetarians are just beta humans that arent tryna be eaten.. simple as that..
These animals were selectively bred to be eaten. Just like modern crops were selectively bred to be eaten. Let's get real here, nobody gonna stop eating meat.
So what if I selectively bred humans to be eaten? would that make it okay to eat those humans? And what do you mean "nobody gonna stop eating meat" I did. Do I not exist?
Look, ima be real. I'm vegan, but I thought that last video was funny af. I fucking hate preachy vegans. This guy seems cool tho. I basically feel how he feels about it.
My only argue against the vegan honestly we shouldn’t kill as many ass we do or have them in such fucked up ways but either way animals kil animals to eat we gotta eat they yummy
"I get where abolitionists are coming from, but we just look at black people as property, and it has been this way for years. Y'all should just do y'all and let us do us." If your logic can be used to justify slavery, you might want to rethink it a bit.
Jidion made an argument about lambs in the Bible while it was normal to sacrifice lambs while in the Old Testament to atone for our sins. In the New Testament Jesus was the “lamb” and was sacrificed for everyone’s sins back then and future. All you have to do is believe that Jesus really died on the cross and he takes away our sins. So lambs aren’t necessary for sacrificial reasons anymore making his argument illegitimate.
If you think that being cruel to dogs is immoral, then why would it be okay to be cruel to other animals? Why do you get to decide which animal is deserving of your kindness and respect, and which can be oppressed and brutally killed? Be consistent with your values, if you against animal cruelty, go vegan. Also African Americans are the fastest growing vegan demographic. If you want to know why, watch the documentaries: The Invisible Vegan, and They're trying to kill us.
All you have to do to beat a vegan is bring up the fact that farmers have to kill 3x the amount of animals to keep their vegetables from being eaten by them.. So therefor they are killing animals by purchasing vegetables.
They don't get shot with a bullet, some places use a bolt gun which destroys some brain tissue and knocks them unconscious. Then they slit the neck open and hang the cow upside down to drain out most of the blood. Here is a video of a few examples. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaKX2915USQ
@Scrub I haven't tried it. I know people hunt coyote around here for predator control but idk of they eat them or not. I probably wouldn't but I enjoy a lot of other animals
Ngl I went in a slaughterhouse and it was disturbing to see the cows die and see their heads just chillin on the ground no joke. I don’t think either side is wrong, some people prefer meat and some people don’t like to see animals hurt, but it’s never gonna change😂
How are you saying "it's never gonna change" when the number of vegans is rapidly increasing? Look at how many vegan products are available in the market today when they weren't only a few years ago. Interest in veganism has been increasing rapidly.
@Mobski You don't have to be one of them though. What matters is whether or not you're living morally consistently. What's stopping YOU from going vegan?
@Mobski That's understandable. So, chicken would be the most difficult thing to give up? What about other animal products? Do you think you'd be able to replace them with plant-based alternatives?
@Mobski Fake meats do tend to be more expensive than real meat, but those aren't the only foods available. Vegans also replace meat with beans and lentils which tend to be very cheap. You'll need to find what works best for you financially. It's great that you're willing to try replacing some animal products. Something is better than nothing! I hope it works out well for you. Good luck! :)
We don't rely on animals for survival though. We don't live in the wild. We have access to a variety of healthy and affordable plant-based foods at the supermarket.
@Heekamalo Kilo Fair enough, but either way we are still going to be killing living things for survival. And also, killing animals may seem wrong considering that they're alive and what-not, and the same logic can be applied to plants, if killing animals is wrong what makes killing plants fine?
tbh its just the food chain. we are killing and eating animals just like other animals are killing and eating animals. we just happen to be on top of the food chain
@Dom Toretto "If I had to" You don't HAVE to though. You have a choice. "If it was part of my culture" Should culture really dictate morality? Cultures always evolve and leave immoral traditions in the past.
I actually read my Bible daily and understand the Bible. When the vegan said slavery is justified in the Bible, A. when God gave rules for slavery, he didn’t tell masters to be like the masters during American slavery, and B, God wasn’t in support of slavery, but he knew ppl would have them (hence why he gave rules for slavery) just like he knows ppl are going to sin, so he gave a savior for our sins
Some humans also still kill other humans. And god would know, since he's omnicient. But he still put "Thou shalt not kill" in the ten commandments. So why did he make murder a sin, but not slavery?
If the animal is already dead. I don’t want it’s death to go to a useless cause. I don’t mind eating meat I just personally don’t kill the animal if it makes sense
But when you pay for an animal, you are asking someone to kill more animals on your behalf so you're still causing it. That's how supply and demand works.
@Heekamalo Kilo we are not personally asking people to kill the animal we just eat the meat that is already stocked on the shelves. And even if we don’t kill those animals they will have a far more painful death when a coach of coyotes come along and start ripping it to shreds
@JET HTX 1. By continuously buying a product, you are purposefully supporting that business and helping them continue. If meat-eaters aren't responsible for animal deaths then who is? That's how supply and demand works. 2. Where'd the coyotes come from? If a farm animal isn't being abused by a human, then they're living peacefully in a sanctuary, not in the wild.
@Heekamalo Kilo I’m obviously not talking about things like pigs or sheep. But there are multiple instances where I’ve seen coyotes kill cows, deer, chickens and many other animals. Even if I stop buying meat they will still keep killing them. It honestly would help with overpopulation too if they let every cow live there would be too many cows
@JET HTX Are you implying that the only options for a farm animal are either 1. Be killed by a human or 2. Be killed by a wild animal? What about the option where they get rescued and live in an animal sanctuary? (where their natural lifespan won't be drastically shortened) Also, why would there be too many cows? If people aren't buying them then they won't be bred either.
@Gamer Nabz So if something has been done since our cave days, that means it's morally okay? What about rape and murder (of humans)? People don't use the "cave days" to defend those.
@Gamer Nabz Rape is also natural, but we still condemn it. Why? Why is a behaviour that is so common in nature called a "heinous crime" in human society? Because it has a victim. A victim who is sentient and can feel pain. Farm animals are also sentient and feel pain, which is why I made that comparison.
@Heekamalo Kilo honestly the only thing that almost caught me was saving the animals. I love the fact that vegans have compassion for animals since we, humans, are also creatures, but idk. I mean I’d wanna go vegan to help animals out, but at the same time, I’m not too sure
@FijiFN It's great that you care about animals! That's what veganism is all about. For many people, veganism is about living in a morally consistent manner. Once people realise that they care about animals, but they're still paying for them to be abused, then that's hypocritical. Once someone acknowledges that, then the next question is what's stopping them from not paying for animal abuse? What is your biggest concern about going vegan? :)
@Heekamalo Kilo I’m not too sure. I feel like I wouldn’t be able to fully commit since I’m Hispanic and half of our cultural stuff is full of meat and everything. That’s not even the half though, I just don’t think I’d be able to commit to going vegan, it’s nothing about peer pressure or anything, but it’s just the simple fact that I can never convince my brain to do what I wanna do
@Heekamalo Kilo I don't just "think" plants feel pain. When plants are distressed or in pain, they emit an ultrasonic cry(s). There are tons of articles on it based on a study/experiment conducted by the University of Tel Aviv. If you're curious, I recommend you check some of them out, they're pretty interesting.
@TTIWI I'm pretty sure I've looked that up before, and I think it's a bit anthropomorphising to call in "pain". No educational institution teaches that "plants feel pain". It's an area that doesn't have enough research to accept something like that. It's not difficult to see the pain in animals since they are so similar to us, whereas plants are not so we need to be even more careful when categorising their biology. When animals feel pain, we can actually do something about it. We can move away from the painful stimulus and we can cry for help. What can plants do? How do the ultrasonic "cries" help? Since this is in relevance to veganism, even if plants could feel pain, vegans need to decide what to place higher value on: plants or animals? We need to eat something. Based on we know currently, animals do feel pain and are sentient, but we can't say the same for plants, so we choose to eat plants instead of animals. Even if plants somehow turned out to be sentient, would it be at the same level as the animals that we eat? I don't think so, so it's safe to say that when having to choose between eating a plant or an animal, I'm going for the plant.
@Heekamalo Kilo You make good points, indeed, but who is to say that the lives of animals inherently matter more than those of plants? Once an animal is killed, how are we to know that they even remember the pain and(or) fright they may have felt before dying? Does pain and suffering even matter if they don't remember it and it no longer effects them? Sorry for going full Socrates, but these are the questions that come to mind in a discussion like this.
In Douglasses book, he talks about how during slavery, there was a point where blacks were able to go to the better areas however, white people wouod disguise themselves as journalists and what not to prevent them. That’s ironic about how Pharaoh in the Bible tried to stop the Israelites from escaping when God departed the Red Sea. And the Red Sea is a historical place in the world…some food for thought 🤔💭
First Corinthians 8:13 “Wherefore, if meat make my brother to offend, I will eat no flesh while the world standeth, lest I make my brother to offend." Also the Bible never justified slavery..if God justified slavery, why would the Israelites be set free by Moses? The Bible only talks about respectful relations between the master and slave holder not the extreme like the white people of those time did to hide the New Testament. The New Testament was when the Israelites were freed. Slavery was deemed wrong in the eyes of God through the actions of Pharaoh not allowing God to be worshipped etc. Don’t forget to read everything then just one part to come up with your own conclusion 😮💨🤞🏽
I'd say focus on your plant-based habits before changing your dog's. Remember to consult your vet too; they'll give you the best information. Also, you have a tiger cub from South Africa?? Well, tigers are carnivores so there's not much that can be done about that.
The Bible mentions slavery but it doesn't promote it, there's multiple stories about God freeing people from slavery but people won't know that because they don't even read the Bible, they just pick and choose certain parts without context.
Humans are animals, people seem to forget that, do you go up to a lion and force it to be vegan? Just because we have intelligence doesn't change the fact that we're omnivores. If every human goes vegan the ecosystem would change and millions would probably die.
"probably" Please look up the facts. You answered your own question about the lion, but just because humans can digest meat doesn't mean we HAVE to eat it.
@Heekamalo Kilo Yes we do, if we didn't need to we wouldn't be able to, we don't just evolve that way for no reason. It's funny because vegans seem to forget that in order to cultivate crops you still need to demolish acres of land, basically destroying animal habitats to grow your food. The biggest hypocrites in the world.
@Mauby We evolved to eat meat because we were struggling for food in our caveman days. We're not in that situation anymore, so we no longer NEED meat. Also, do you know one of the biggest causes of Amazon rainforest destruction? Cattle ranching.
@Heekamalo Kilo And if everyone turns vegan the rainforests would still be destroyed, not to make room for cattle ranching but growing more crops instead. It doesn't make a difference and I know because I come from a family of farmers. Growing plants is just as harmful as rearing livestock if not done sustainably. Humans are still part of the ecosystem, even if we have the intelligence to manipulate the environment around us. Veganism is only about emotions, if you want to save the environment and animals you should be thinking of ways to do things more sustainably, not going after people because they eat meat. Tribal people still eat meat, but they're not endangering species, there's a balance to be had. People aren't villains for eating meat just as sharks and lions aren't villains for doing the same.
@Heekamalo Kilo And you have to understand that even having the choice to turn vegan is a privilege not everyone can have due to their environment, climate, lifestyle and other factors. You probably don't need meat, but other people do.
@Mauby I'm not targeting indigenous people. I'm talking about people who have access to a variety of affordable plant-based options. Plant-based diets tend to be better for the environment due to the amount of land and water used to feed animals and the methane released by cows. Of course crop production can be unsustainable, but I'm not championing unsustainable living. Sustainable, ethical organic farming is the way to go. Why would we be clearing more land to grow crops in a vegan world? If we get rid of livestock, we wouldn't need to grow as much food because humans consume less than livestock. Sharks and lions don't really have a choice, whereas we do.
Did he? He said that they should just accept that they have different beliefs. I would agree with that as long as those beliefs don't have a victim. But eating animals does have a victim... and it can be avoided. So why not avoid it?
Well, what is the vegan extremist's opinion on pornography? I believe, as a Christian, that pornography is immoral. If I were to bet, the vegan probably believes porn should be widely accessible despite the fact that porn objectifies women.
What does veganism have to do with pornography? Also, does porn only objectify women? And if it does, then wouldn't the solution be to end the objectification rather than porn altogether?
@Deep-dyed Reactionary Why does this not apply to men? If porn doesn't currently objectify men, then can't it also not objectify women? Also, conservatives can go vegan too.
@Heekamalo Kilo I guess it could objectify men but women dominate the porn industry for obvious reasons. To address your other comment, I meant they were typically liberal ideologies mainly because most conservatives uphold the Bible.
@Deep-dyed Reactionary I see. Well, are you also against sex scenes in film and TV? I think if in porn, the focus is on the characters and their emotional connection to each other, then the bodies will not be objectified by the viewer. I think changing porn so drastically is a heavy task but I think it can be done. Plus, unless porn is the only content someone is consuming, then the objectification shouldn't be too much of an issue as long as women/men aren't being objectified in all other areas of life. Sex education is schools could help too.
@Heekamalo Kilo Yes, I am against nude and sex scenes in movies. Also, porn objectively negatively affects the brain. There really isn't an argument to be made for porn. It's very harmful to individuals and society.
@Deep-dyed Reactionary I don't know much about the research on porn. I'm guessing it's bad for the brain because it's addictive? I mean we haven't banned things like drinking and smoking so would it make sense to ban porn?
@Heekamalo Kilo Well, in my ideal society, all of those things would be banned. But we have tried banning alcohol before and that created the mafia, so...
I don't know if you're aware Jidion, but premarital sex is a sin. I'm not attacking you. I'm just informing you in the case you didn't know. I'm also not saying that I don't sin, because I do, everyone does.
@Heekamalo Kilo I can definitely see how that can be taken the wrong way. What I said is not exactly what the Bible says, but I meant speak. What you speak defines you.
@Deep-dyed Reactionary I can get behind that. I'd add "what you do" as well. Although, what does the "eat what you want" have to do with "what you speak"?
@Heekamalo Kilo I said eat what you want because it doesn't matter what you eat. Your character is measured by what you say and, like you mentioned, what you do.
I don't truly believe people don't care about animals being killed and chopped up. It's just that it's mostly invisible. Most people don't see animals being killed and chopped up and may think twice if they did. Watch the Dominion documentary: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQRAfJyEsko
0:50 no he didn’t pay for that animal to get it throat slit it was gonna die anyway for either the farmers eating or to be sold to someone else to eat it.
When you pay for a dead animal, you are increasing the demand for that product. The number of animals rises only when the demand does. If someone is contributing to that demand, then they are paying for animals to be killed on their behalf.
@Heekamalo Kilo Steak is on point too. Were above animals on the food chain so I want to know what vegans think about me hunting for my meat instead of ordering it. Technically it hasn't been slaughtered then.
@CallumG_01 Vegans prefer to not kill animals at all, unless there's no other option. Do you have no other option than to hunt? Do you also hunt chickens?
@Scrub Yea sure, I wouldn't want it to happen but I guess it would make sense. There are already animals that will eat us, we just don't cross paths with them in the wild very often.
Dam I got two lamb steaks in the freezer rn. And also Im sure If there where other human like and sentiment beings we wouldnt eat them. Not sure if people eat monkeys and stuff do idk for sure.
@Heekamalo Kilo Monkeys and baboons are generally regarded as sub humans because of their intellegence . So eating monkeys is regarded as cannibalism. Cows and pigs arent included. Free to eat any other animal thats edible as long as its not considered cannibalism.... That is.....unless.... Your an cannibal that is..
Problem I have with vegans is that it’s in our nature to eat meat. We are omnivores, just like the rest of nature, there are omnivores, carnivores and herbivores.They don’t protest any other animal in nature eating meat other than humans. Because the way we do it is inhumane? I guarantee being eaten alive is worst than being shot. Also, the only reason we do it the way we do is because we are way more intelligent than every other animal on the planet. If other animals were capable of slaughterhouses for infinite meat then they would do the same. Just how prey/predators work 🤷🏼♂️
Just because we CAN eat meat doesn't mean we MUST. Animals in nature don't have the luxury of deciding what to eat when they want it. They don't have access to supermarkets full of different healthy, affordable plant-based foods. We do, though. What's our excuse?
@Thirteen Banger Is there any piece of evidence what could sway your opinion? Say if there was a 500 year long study comparing non-meat diets, only-meat diets, and diets than included meat. I'm not saying that specific study exists, just if you are 100% closed off.
@Scrub Well no I’m not absolutely close minded. I know I came off as such but yes if there was strong proof that a completely non-meat diet was just as healthy, nutritional, and practical than a diet that included meat than I could have my mind changed. Not saying it would turn me vegan but I would have a better understanding and level of respect. I know not all vegans are the same but your reputation has been very tainted by the few extremist that act just like antifa, feminists, and the LGT communities.
@Thirteen Banger ah ok. I’m not actually vegan and I have never tried to be vegan, but I think you can still live a healthy life without eating meat. It seems like there isn’t much of a motivation for you to consider a vegan diet since whatever you are doing now is working just fine
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Bruh they don't get shot in the head and slit their throats like they humanely smash their heads so they instantly die plus meat was put on earth to eat
1. "They humanely smash their heads"??? Hahahaha. How is "smashing a head" more ethical than a simple gun shot? 2. We don't HAVE to eat meat just because it's available. We have other options.
Vegan is worse for animals because every farm animal ever has been eaten, either by a predator, a human or decomposers. With a predator it is out in the wild struggling to find food and water while getting eaten alive by a predator. If it is by a decomposer they die a slow painful death from a sickness, hunger, or thirst then get eaten by bacteria, scavengers, worms, etc. From a human they get taken care of and loved their entire life, and die from a quick painless death. Plus some gets to have a tasty meal.
What? It's not like farmers rescue their livestock from the wild. Farm animals are bred specifically for human consumption. There is no "cruel life in the wild" alternative for them. Either they get eaten by humans, or they're rescued by vegans who allow them to live the rest of their life peacefully in a sanctuary.
@Heekamalo Kilo My scenario is if everyone turned vegan and all ranchers and farmers lost there jobs and the livestock was left to themselves in the wild
@Heekamalo Kilo there would not be nearly enough volunteers to take care of all the animals left behind at best there would only be about 2% taken care of
1. Why can't a plant-based diet be healthy? 2. How does veganism "not work"? Would the demand for animal products not be higher if all vegans/vegetarians were omnivores?
I still can't believe this guy repeated " animals are shot in the head and have their throats slit" like 10 times. I mean sure if those animals are on a farm. But in slaughter houses is just like a giant blender
"You paid for an animal to be killed in a slaughter house"
He actin like he payed a fuckin hitman to kill a cow to sell its organs on the black market.
Btw, just because a human can survive of off straight vegetables and non dairy doesn't mean we should. Cool, you can stay healthy, but the human body is literally built to eat meat. I don't judge and I don't wanna start an argument, cause each to his own. But if someone likes meat let them get it....pause
And I think that most farms try to kill the animal as quick and least painful as possible. The throat is slit after they are dead. There may be some farms and slaughter houses that do mistreat animals but not everyone, we live on Earth. Not everything is moral.
Side note: Humans have been hunting and gathering since before we found out how to make fire.
@Heekamalo Kilo not what I meant, like i said, i don't want to argue. But its not like people go out of their way to killing a cow. We pay for food and things we like. Its not like I'm there pulling the trigger or seeing what's behind every curtain of a farm or slaughter house. I like what I like. But like I said, humans have been evolved to eat meat since thousands of years. Each to his own but I like meat. We have been hunting since before we discovered fire. Edit: IDK if it sounds bias, but my brother is a vegan along with his gf so i consulted with them on why they turned vegans. And I think I'm pretty educated on vegan topics.
@FJP I didn't see the "Read more" on your original comment so I apologise for that. You're saying that people don't "go out their way to kill a cow", but isn't that basically what happens? If you continuously buy a product, you're saying "I like this. I want more please". It's supply and demand, so people buying beef are paying for cows to be killed. You're not killing them yourself but it's being done on your behalf because you keep buying the product. Also, just because we CAN eat meat (because of evolution) doesn't mean we have to. It's interesting to have this discussion with someone who is educated on vegan topics. What was your brother's reasoning for going vegan? (if you don't mind me asking)
@Heekamalo Kilo So to answer your last question, my brother turned vegan for mostly health purposes, so he just cut out junk food at the beggining then he turned fully vegan once he saw the health benefits. But I do know his girlfriend turned because she did some research about the cruelty that happens in some slaughterhouses. Because there are some who mistreat animals. But I see your point on how you see the supply and demand effect of us buying products. I never went as far as going vegan because I love dairy 😂 but I tried going vegetarian and it's not bad. But I should say as a Latin Hispanic I had so many different meals growing up as I'm sure a lot of other ethnicities have as well that contains meat or animal products. I'm sure that if you ate vegetarian or vegan since being a child it would show you different aspects and you wouldn't like meat as much if you were older. But children benefit a lot from protein as they are growing up so I see why most parent don't. So where I'm going with this is that every person that ate meat growing up is not thinking about where the meat is coming from. It's like, "oh my mom used to cook this for me", or "oh my grandma showed me a recipe for this." So it's stapled into our brain like common sense. I do believe that if most people really saw what SOME of the slaughter houses are doing some would turn vegan or vegetarian, that's why I turned vegetarian in the first place. But for others it would just be another tragedy that doesn't affect them so they don't care. Another point is like for example, market fishing. It's terrible. People overfish because the demand for it is so high. It hurts the oceans and enviroments. But people could go out and catch their own fish. But that isn't practical for them, they might have jobs, or just don't want to. Or we could hunt like we used to thousands of years ago. But that is not practical. I would say that seeing it from your point of view makes sense. I buy meat so another that sees me buy meat is going to keep gathering it for me for them to sell it and make money. It's a cycle that I think will never be boken because it is a staple in every single country. Most supermarkets and companies just care about making money. If they are not hurting humans they do not care. But meat is a staple in like 70% (fact check me if you want because I really don't know what % of the population is vegan or vegetarian) of the world's diet. Edit: Forgot to mention that a lot of people love the flavor that different meats have, the textures that differences between different animals that are raised differently. The quality between countries etc
@FJP Thank you for taking the time to write this. I'm glad that we're on the same page on some things e.g. the supply and demand of animal products, and everyone hunting for their own meat not being practical. Regarding your brother, it sounds like he just consumes a plant-based diet and is not technically a "vegan". Veganism isn't just about your food (and it's not about health), it's about trying to reduce your contribution to animal suffering, which usually starts with food but extends to clothing, entertainment etc. What he's doing is still good for the animals though, even though that may not have been his intention. His girlfriend does sound like a vegan since her reasoning had to do with animal liberation. You said that you've tried going vegetarian, which is great. Are you still a vegetarian or did you face any issues? I agree that if most people saw enough slaughterhouse footage, they would reduce their animal product consumption, which is why many activists show footage to the public. Also, I agree that a vegan-since-birth would probably find it easier to stick to eating plant-based, but let's not forget that most vegans today were not born vegan. They've changed their habits and stuck at it even though it's not in line with their culture; they've realised that the lives of animals are more important than a cultural practice and their taste buds. Large companies unfortunately do only care about money, which is why vegans vote with their wallet. We opt for the plant-based option over the animal product. This has lead to a drastic increase in the number of vegan options available in big-chain supermarkets and restaurants over only a few years. Veganism is growing and every person makes a difference. Currently, the consumption of meat is growing (due to the growing population) but the consumption rate would be even higher if there were no vegans/vegetarians, so every little helps. It is interesting to discuss why someone else might not go vegan, but in activism (which is what I'm attempting to do here) it's more useful to discuss what's stopping YOU personally from going vegan. You've stated that you love dairy, Is this the only reason? Thank you for your engagement.
@Heekamalo Kilo @Heekamalo Kilo Yea no problem but most of my reason from not going full vegan is that I love the different flavors, btw I cook most of my meals, and benefits it has towards your body if you work out after consuming them. Not because of calorie gain just because all of the intake will help the build of muscle in your body. As you might've heard the human body builds muscle while sleeping cause that's when all the calories you intook and got rid of while working out start building the muscle. Although I am by no means a physician or anything of the sorts just a guy working out. But let me get something straight. I am not really eating meat like beef, pork, or chicken everyday. I am mostly eating fish because that is what my trainer asked me to have in my diet. I would not say I'm a full pescatarian but i do not consume red meat on a regular basis anymore. I would say the reason I am not vegan or vegetarian is because I am one of those people who cannot live without something like it, in a sense that I cook a lot, some being vegan, vegetarian, or neither. I just have a preference of what I want to eat. I am not blind towards the things that happen in some slaughter houses but I just feel like beef and fish along with chicken, have a lot of benefits towards the body and I don't think I will ever go more than 4 weeks without eating them. (I only said those 3 because pork has close to nothing nutritional value.) I do love talking about these topics since it lets me see both sides. I do not like vegan extremeists who go out of their way to dump buckets of blood in a KFC restaurant and play videos of mistreated animals. That does not seem logical to me althought I understand the showing of the bad slaughterhouses. But I do see people like you have logical conversations with people on why you should turn vegan. But like I said before, I am not a vegan or vegetarian because meat is simply just a part of my diet and preferences when it comes to food. Like I know you might not like every vegetable or different meat substitutes I do not like every meat or every fish or every way something is cooked. I have tried to stop going straight for the meat section and I currently do not have any animal product in my fridge at this moment. And to add to my 1st reply, my brother 1st turned vegan because of health benefits but he STAYED vegan because of the cruelty. If you have any more questions I'll be happy to share.
I'll eat meat the way I do cuz im a broke shit and i cant afford the vegetables I actually like eating while I can get a a chicken for like 2 dollars per pound and it fills me
@Core Da2 I don't know why some people think that vegans have some magical ability to communicate with sharks/lions etc. Those animals don't have the same agency as humans and they can't eat plants anyway. Vegans aren't trying to convert wild carnivores.
@Heekamalo Kilo idk who thinks that anyone can speak to animals and I'm just saying that as much as they're trying to prevent animals from being killed and eaten an animal would not do the samething
@Aj I didn't find it funny so I decided to respond with sarcasm. Maybe I can't take a joke but responding to silly comments about veganism can get really frustrating.
we grow enough food to feed 10 billion humans yet 1 billion people are starving. more than 80 billion land animals are fed food that could be grown for humans so that people can eat meat.
@Payton Parrish Really? In your original comment you said "you don't shoot animals in the head you go for the heart", but I can't find any reference to this killing method here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_slaughter
"Veganism is about saving animals" 😂😂😂😂 most of the farmers that farm your bullshit food are out there killing anything that moves in their crops 😂🤷 your not saving anything at all
What about cows, chickens etc? Vegans refuse to contribute towards their suffering. Also, more plants are grown to feed livestock than for human consumption. This means that omnivores are causing more "farming pest deaths" than vegans. Besides, organic is the way to go.
The thing is the dude isn't wrong... everything he is saying is true and I wouldn't consider him a Vegan Extremist... because those people are fricking nuts (take ''That Vegan Teacher'' for example) I agree that the meat industry is super cruel and horrible, I love animals, and believe that industry should change, but on the other hand, I also believe that every person on this planet requires different diets depending on where they are from and their DNA, so some people can live on a plant based diet and be healthy... whilst others need meat.
Let me elaborate why I think this: throughout history, the human race has had different diets in different parts of the planet, the egyptians for example ate mainly plants/nuts/fish, but cavemen ate mainly meat... and after hundreds of thousands of years this changes humans DNA... so some people from herbivore ancestors can live healthy on plants, etc whilst people from carnivore ancestors require meat to be healthy.
I LOVE ANIMALS, I have many, including farm animals, and they all have their own personalities, which made me want to quit meat. So, I tried going on a plant based diet and felt very tired all the time and got to the point where I would pass out, I thought maybe I needed to find protein replacements like tofu etc but nothing worked.
The meat industry needs to change, but if the animal has had a good life then I feel its okay if he is eaten by people who require meat.
I feel like blood types have a lot to do with this: 0 blood types tend to crave meat, whilst A blood types tend to crave salads, there are many studies in that regard. (I am 0 blood type)
anyways this is just some random dudes opinion on the internet lmao
@I love Sustainable Energy I don’t gaf about dogs if our primary protein was dog meat I would be munchin sum chihuahuas. Yes I would still think the dog was already dead before I bought it off the shelf.
@NateGotJokes You know what I'm talking about. I refuse to believe that you don't know how supply and demand works. Animals are killed because people pay for that to happen. They're not "already dead" for no reason. The consumers are responsible. The number of vegans has been increasing rapidly in recent years so you definitely wouldn't be alone.
I'm not against animals but people be acting like they are gonna stop killing animals no matter how much people become vegetarian or vegan they with never stop killing them
At least they're not contributing to it. If all vegans + vegetarians went back to eating meat/animal products then the demand for those products would be even higher than it currently is and there wouldn't be the variety of vegan options we see in supermarkets.
@Wxrrior OG Oh you're trolling. So many non-vegans can't seem to have a serious discussion about plants for some reason. It's like they know they're wrong so they hide behind "omg you're killing plants tho".
@Heekamalo Kilo I am an anti-vegan activist because plants are teared slowly from the ground and animals are killed instantly without feeling pain I eat meat and veggies and fruits but I cut quickly cut the veggies and the fruits and you should be ashamed to say that plant rights are non-existed unbelievable
@Wxrrior OG Plants don't have nerves or a brain. Basic biology. You're free to give them the same moral consideration as animals, but I won't waste my time here.
@bhoumik I bet that most people who watched this video do NOT depend on meat. They have access to a variety of healthy and affordable plant-based foods at their local supermarket.
Those animals only exist because we keep breeding them into existence to meet a consumer demand. If the demand goes down, then so will the number of animals. There will not be too many animals.
I think veganism should advocate about humane condition of farm animals and the most humane way to terminate them because its part of nature look at nature documentaries actual preditors eating their pray alive and some are alive but they're organs are gone that's what veganism should be about not making people not eat what they want and destroying peoples business
Veganism is about animal liberation. Better treatment of animals before killing is better than poor treatment but why do we have to kill them at all? Why does what wild predators do matter when it comes to human morality? Is a business worth supporting if it involves abuse/unnecessary cruelty?
I believe factor farming is immoral and that man should only eat meat killed by their groups in their habitat to eat. Too many people that don’t even have the guts to kill to eat , partake in this honorable diet of the strong that it loses its value especially by which the means that they have obtained such meat (factory farming) that it becomes a toxic source food, all those painful hormones flushing through the body of the animal that has only known pain and suffering it’s whole life leaves the flesh with a bitter taste and that is in all means low quality.. if u ever had a side by side comparison between factory grown or free range meat u without a doubt can taste the difference
Bruh u would've ended his whole mind on being vegan if you just said that the animals are dead and if you don't eat it no one will which means the animals has gone to waste
@Zanner AU So do you buy everything in a supermarket? You wouldn't want anything to go to waste, right? You have a choice. You don't "have" to buy anything. Is it okay to support any business just because you don't want the products to go to waste? What if the business is killing innocents beings needlessly? I guess it's wrong to boycott any product.
@Heekamalo Kilo I mean u can buy it all if u want to waste money but the part is to buy one or how much ur gonna eat since either way ur still saving a bit.
@Zanner AU The point is that you don't HAVE to buy it. You could always buy a plant-based product instead and stop that from going to waste. Again, is it okay to support any business just because you don't want the products to go to waste? What if the business is killing innocents beings needlessly?
Those animals don't have the same moral agency as us humans. They also don't have the same access to a variety of plant foods like we do. Also not all of them can digest plants. Luckily, we can.
In our tradition in Africa we slaughter animals for almost every event kids be watching the throat getting slit and the insides getting pulled out. Its an animal aint nobody getting traumatized
Okay look. He hasn’t read the Bible. If he read it he would realize it’s for a reason. God gives us free will , until the day of judgement. Slavery was from wickedness not from God. He hasn’t read the Word the Truth and the Life. Jesus Loves you all 🙏🏻
As a civilized society we don’t actually practice “everyone has a right to believe what ever they want to believe” as this can lead down a dangerous path. So many cruel and violent actions would be justified with this logic. For example, is it ok for an adult to have sex with a child because they believe age is just a number or that some children have old souls? A more accurate statement is “everyone has a right ro believe what they want to believe as long as they aren’t hurting anyone”. When it comes to this topic, TRILLIONS of individuals are being needlessly harmed, mutilated, sexually violated and eventually murdered EACH YEAR. It’s not about it being a belief that makes something right or wrong, it’s about whether or not that belief (and more importantly actions or choices made from that belief) inflict harm or suffering on others. It’s quite clear that there are victims to this “belief”.
Domesticated farm animals aren't really a part of the food chain. They don't live in the wild. We raise them on land protected from predators and we kill them. When vegans rescue farm animals, they don't release them into the wild. They live in sanctuaries.
You know what I can’t get through my head jidion has the body of a body guard and like a fuckin man but he acts like a child and is funny asf😭😭 but obviously he isn’t a child when he has to take things serious
Yeah vegans "take away" plants that didn't exist until they were planted to eat. Do you know one of the leading causes of the Amazon rainforest's destruction? Cattle ranching.
yeah no one is telling lions to go vegan... lions also say hello by sniffing each others asses and will eat another lion's cubs. why would we base our ethics on lions lol ?
Well my viewpoint is that there was always a food chain like if animals can kill each other for food y can’t we like it’s the way life works. The food chain is key to natural balance in the world.
Lisen bro....if I were a blade of grass would the cow save u......exactly its nature, the food chain it's how it is. And for how they killing it theres no way to kill anything peacefully. A death isa death. Also ur still killing plants to eat and thts a living thing
tbh I would be vegan for slaughterhouse workers alone. They are often poc, come from poor, immigrant backgrounds, get paid terrible wages, go through huge amounts of PTSD, suffer anxiety/depression and experience the highest rates of workplace death and injury than any other job or industry.
I loved and respected you so much but especially during this video it just grew more and it was very awesome to watch you both make good points and talk it out
you realise we grow enough food to feed over 80 billion land animals yet 1 billion people are starving cos people (mostly in the west) want to eat meat? we have more than enough land to feed 10 billion people on a plant based diet
If u do think about it we all monsters in a way u feel me it is kinda fucked up people are eating animals that did get killed for no reason I wanna be vegan but ya know all that meat is good (pause) but you can just be sitting there eating a burger then pops in ya head I’m eating a animal that got killed for no reason no harm done to u no nothing but u gotta think about at the end of the day it’s kinda sad and fucked up
You should do another videocall with him and start dropping random packets of meat products throughout the chat. Jidion really got me binge watching all the vids
How you pay to have the animal killed if it was already killed before your ass woke up the day before you went to buy it? These soft feeling people stay stretching😭😭
JiDion, I love your videos and you are the best YouTuber and have made me who I am, I want to be a YouTuber just like you, but can’t because I don’t have the money. if you see this can u reply to this. Love you bro
he makes me cry of laughter when mid sentence in a serious conversation asking someone to go get bacon i sounded and felt like my grandma on life support😂😂
Some animals dont eat other animals, we can be like those animals. Humans have a choice, do you have empathy for animals or not. And if you do have empathy are you in control of yourself or not?
@Heekamalo Kilo we also have digestive systems designed by evolution for fruit. Meat was and is a survival adaptation in apes for starvation and droughts, it comes with huge risks of disease and is why the people who regularly eat it die young
@Turbo Things like rape and infanticide are natural too, but humans realised that those acts involve a victim and we started condemning them. Just because something is found in nature doesn't mean humans should be okay with it. Nature can be incredibly cruel; humans don't have to be.
I’m against the brutal killing of animals like beating them or cutting them up but, I’m not against a quick painless death. Personally I love meat too much to not eat it but, vegan food is pretty good too. Animals were put on earth as a source of food so imma eat um regardless cause if I don’t eat them then they died for nothing
"if I don't eat them then they died for nothing" By buying meat, you are increasing the demand so they're dying BECAUSE of you. You're against brutality against animals so you think that animals are worthy of moral consideration. Why do you draw the line at your taste buds? Is taste pleasure more important than an animal's life?
Animals and humans do not have the same dna, all this nonsense about saving animals it’s a kill or be killed world these animals would kill you if they had the chance. All of the vegans out there. What you gonna tell them I’m vegan I don’t kill you. You think an animal would care if they are hungry they’ll kill you. Simple it’s just a way of life. Forcing a way of life on anyone isn’t right. Whether it’s being vegan or being a meat eater let people live.
Not worried about being ate by a cow, and I have a gun so no animal is gonna eat me. And animals dont have a conscious like humans do. We have more responsibility.
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Mark Knowles2021-08-19 02:40:30 (edited 2021-08-19 02:43:25 )
@Kahler Nygard it’s not just cows people eat all kinds of animals and they kill all kinds of animals too. You should kill what you need to eat if you have to survive. Animals that are killed are eaten they aren’t killed and left on the side of the road. Also animals aren’t expecting us to be more responsible. If roles were reversed animals would not be hesitant to take your life. And you sound silly you preaching save animals lives then just said you’d shoot one of It tried to kill you. Lol backwards in your logic. Another thing your not worried about a cow killing you but they can very well kill you by just kicking you. Cause serious damage. Also bulls are hella aggressive. They will kill a human np. It happens often.
@Mark Knowles how is self defense backwards logic. It's called the non aggression principle. I have my own life philosophy that's a mesh between veganism and libertarianism. Anyways the idea is if something isn't harming you leave it alone, but if an alligator attacks me ill retreat if possible and if not I'll defend myself, firing warning shot and if needed kill it . the difference between me killing would be its out of self defense, the reason you kill animals is for "taste". And guess what I haven't needed to kill an animal in 10 years of being vegan.
@Mark Knowles btw how do you have zero subscribers after 10 years on YouTube lol 😆
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Mark Knowles2021-08-19 03:02:44 (edited 2021-08-19 03:12:06 )
@Kahler Nygard people aren’t killing animals for taste only it’s for survival for a lot of them. Vegan diet is a luxury that just started maybe in the last century. It didn’t really get mainstream until about 2010. You watch the show naked an afraid? Vegans go on there. Most vegans that go on there want to go to prove that they can survive 21 days without eating any meat. It’s possible but It makes your journey 10 times harder. Second the most that do go tap after about 9 days. Third The few that do survive on vegan diets struggle a lot more the entire time. Their bodies don’t get a lot of protein in those situations. And fourth a decent amount of vegans even decide to start eating meat in those life or death situations. I feel like a lot vegans are vegan because of the luxury that society provides with all the minder technology making vegan options a lot easier to obtain and maintain. If the economy didn’t make vegan diet so easily obtainable alot of them would just go back to eating meat. Especially in a state of survival or death. A lot of people that are vegan don’t even have the plant knowledge to survive in the wild and know what to eat and what not to. They’d probably end up eating a poisonous plant and end up getting sick and dying. Anyway regardless of my opinions I am just saying overall, vegans shouldn’t be trying to convert meat eaters or trying to make them feel bad for being meat eaters lmao. That’s often what they do. I think people should just let people live and leave them alone. Lol you wanna eat plants and grass do that. If they wanna eat cows and meat do that.
@Mark Knowles dude people have been vegetarian and vegan since ancient Greek, ancient india go read a book. Eating meat in western civilization is a choice, not a need.
@Kahler Nygard I said that It just got popular very recently. I read books. And very big fan of history. Americans just caught on heavily. Vegan restaurant weren’t really a thing back in 2000s the number of restaurants has just tripled since then.
@Kahler Nygard this ain’t my channel brah my channel is DaBruvvers TV I have about 200 after a couple months. But anyway this is a gmail account then when google bought gmail It became my YouTube channel over 10 years ago. So I don’t have a single video up on this channel why would I have any subs. Go check my actual channel if your so worried about subscribers. Like that has anything to do with what we were talking about kid.
W btw Plants and fruit are living animals if we wanna get technical and scientists have LEGIT proved that lettuce has feeling nerves and pain receptors so when you eat lettuce it’s alive and feels everything vegans are dumb
Hey bro, i’m vegan and I thought that shit was funny. Don’t let this guy give you the wrong idea, some vegans aren’t so serious. Probably because i do it for the health benefits. If you are interested in eating vegan, i can show you way better things to eat than beyond/impossible burgers haha. I’ll send you a message on IG (@Mitchell_gainz)
It changed my life, when you become someone let me know, you 4 subscribers meat eater. me 1120 vegan. You the nobody bro rofl. I'd check yourself before throwing out insults like you just did
Love how vegan activists storm McDonalds and threaten people going into butchers but if someone tries to add meat to something from a vegan restaurant they cry to the internet.
@Kahler Nygard Well yeah someone who tries to stop the mistreatment of animals, going mistreating humans, kinda hypocritical if you ask me. Kinda like the pied piper not being a musician, just hum a tune and the rats follow, they step out of line, you step on them. Also good thing the vegans in this video do not come to your house https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJWQg7QzsBc you might have to bust their skulls. JiDion 'ruined' those vegan businesses, well you tell me who was better behaved in someone's place of business.
@Crimson Shadows factory farmes animals have it way worse than humans z humans are the ones torturing the animals. Wake the fuck up. And maybe get some subscribers at some point
You have to kill off some animals or else they will get overpopulated and die of hunger. More animals would die if we went vegan than if we eat animals.
JiDion was 100% correct and had a point with everything that was said 👏. Corrupted, bored humans try to make everything look wrong and evil. It's called a food chain for a reason. I'm sure an alligator or shark or whatever wouldn't think twice about eating a human. It's the way God created this world. Makes sense that every vegan I've seen is atheists, feminine or gay..
Alligators and sharks don’t have moral agency, they don’t know right from wrong. Wild animals do a lot of things that we consider immoral, they kill and rape each other. We, as humans, have moral agency, and so we know that it’s wrong to rape and kill each other even though wild animals do it to each other all of the time. It’s the same thing with eating animal products. It’s not moral just because alligators and sharks do it.
@Kahler Nygard UK you desperate when you bringing up subscribers to this conversation and to someone that isn't even a Youtuber haha. Go eat your lettuce.
Vegetarians need to realize animals are a danger to us and eat EACH OTHER as well I need my sustenance to live I want to enjoy meat you enjoy plants (which are proven to be living but whatever)
Just because other animals are a danger wouldn't make it cool to beat my harmless dog or slicing my dogs throat open. "And eat each other as well" animals rape eachother is well, is it ok to rape my dog because other dog would? I just think the people who aren't animal abusers are moral superior. Plants are alive but can't feel pain, there not sentient. 1 month old fetus or a brain dead person both are alive but there not sentient, they can't feel pain. But that doesn't even matter cuz a vegan diet consumes less plants
"I artificially empregnated a dog waited until the 10 puppies where born then killed them all for fun, but thats ok because the puppies were gonna die eventually anyway"
God damn jidion.. I'm a Muslim fan of yours & i really like ur content and ur shit.. the fact that u know about Quran and bible perspective on the animals life is soo dope of u.. u got a big mind behind that comedian character of yours.. keep it up my bro❤️❤️❤️
Good conversation.... you do have to let him talk though..... because it'd have been easy to see how his viewpoint would falter if you let him explain why he thinks that killing animals for food was objectively morally reprehensible: The key was when vegan guy said: "you have to think, the bible was written thousands of years ago and back then (sacrificing animals would be reasonable)" But if not killing animals for food for morality's sake is the correct moral stance simply because of the current time period, then that isn't an objective moral stance but conditional & "modernized" stance--vegan guy doesn't even argue for veganism in an objective sense
The problem: POPULATION! Too many humans! We do indeed more quantities of Food! What’s the easiest way? Have these cows fuck and boom feeds millions-billions.
You see the K9ines in our mouths? We got 4 of them for a reason… WE ARE NATURAL PREDATORS. “Slaughtering innocent animals” if they were wild another animal would surely slaughter them too. Vegans just dont make sense dawg🤣
as someone who is plant based, the vegan guy was pretty chill. and made good points. but i still fw you JiDion. and buddhists, sikhs, jains, tao's, are all people of relgion who don't eat animals or work with animal products.
what are vegans thoughts on labs safely extracting red blood cells from a cow (that can be reproduced swiftly by the cows body itself ) by using petri dishes and other advanced tech and let them grow into muscle tissue which is also known as meat. ( so it isn't a loss on the cow) to be used to make 100% meat without killing the animal? this new science is still under development but still possible in the future. so any vegan person let me know on your view as i think its a step forward
1:00 You paid money to a farmer to rip that poor carrot out of the ground and be cut up into smaller ones with extra pieces sent to waist. HOW DARE YOU, THESE VEGANS ARE MONSTERS!!!
Instead of standing in front of stores that sell burgers and meat thats already killed, vegans should go to the slaughter houses themselves and protest there.
This is exactly why I do not like vegans. I used to be a vegan, but only for health reason. Then I stopped being vegan, because of health reason. My doctor told me to stop. I eat clean meat like the Bible allows us to eat. I never became vegan, because of the animal stuff.
@Satyam Tomar plant based diet means that you can still consume meat. If he didn't consume meat, eggs or dairy he was vegan.
"Although you may think of plant-based diets as being vegetarian or vegan, they do not have to be plant-only. Such diets do not have to completely exclude animal foods such as meat, poultry, fish, eggs and dairy products, but proportionally more foods are chosen from plant sources."
@Kreed2k here's the definition of veganism:- "Veganism is a philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude—as far as is possible and practicable—all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose; and by extension, promotes the development and use of animal-free alternatives for the benefit of animals, humans and the environment. In dietary terms it denotes the practice of dispensing with all products derived wholly or partly from animals."
So as far as I can understand, If the change in lifestyle wasn't done to stop/reduce animal exploitation and creulty, he wasn't vegan.
I used to be vegan and would never go back. I did it for health reason and then I was becoming weak and my doctor told me to stop. So I stopped being vegan for health reason. I'm back eating meat, but clean meat that the Bible allows. I do not like vegans especially vegans who crazy. Veganism is like a cult now. I really don't like the ones who do it for the animals, because they are crazy. The ones who became vegan for health reasons only like myself, I'm not against. Even those vegans can't stand the vegans who are vegan because of the animal stuff.
There are laws about commercial businesses that provide food society, and how to kill- also it is very uncommon that you will ever eat anything that was shot in the head unless you shot it. Not logical to say I am a vegan because I don’t like kill
Lmao, I don’t eat meat because I love animals, you are a dumb, you don’t save animals by not eating meat🤦🏻♂️ My comment getting flagged because I put the word dumb in here🤦🏻♂️ I would kill people and eat them instead of animals that helps.
Using religion, culture, traditions, taste/pleasure to justify harming animals is wrong. We are in 2021, animal exploitation doesn't belong in society anymore.
Even if everyone was vegan they would still kill animals to put in makeup and cosmetics. He’s just gotta let people eat what they want cause no less animals will be killed.
I understand vegans but I just don’t think it really matters. There’s animals out there that eat other animals alive and tear the flesh of their bones. Humans may not be carnivores but we are omnivores so us eating meat is no different from a wolf hunting for sheep. The main difference is that humans are smart enough to have a choice on what they want to eat, key word CHOICE. Vegans can do what ever they want but the world will never change and animals will always be food to humans.
Then what abt halal? Bc in Islam halal is a way where they kill animals in a non violent, peaceful, non harmful way. Also giving animals a quick death. And in some religions some animals (cows, pigs, goats etc.) were created for us to eat them.
Unfortunately veganism is responsible for many animal deaths as well. They kill tons of animals in order to prepare the land and plant massive amounts of crops. This also displaces animals taking away their homes. They spray toxic stuff all over the land to facilitate this, destroying the soil and killing huge amounts of insects as well (but they don't matter right?). Meanwhile, one cow can feed an entire family for a long time and their manure is great for the soil and ecosystem.
Stop acting like you're above it all if you're vegan because you're living a lie.
Plants aren't sentients, i.e they don't feel pain. And also Farm animals eat a hell lot of Plants than we all do. So, if we all eat a plant based diet we will end up saving animals & plants ;)
“It’s horrible that slaughterhouses shoot animals in the head” well it ain’t just slaughterhouses I’m out there in the woods doing the same thing with my rifle/bow.
Nigga said “me not being a Christian doesn’t cause anyone harm” CAPPPPPP YU CAUSIN YOSELF HARM MA NIGGA YU AINT WANNA LIVE ETERNALLY WITH CHRIST?!?!!! YU AINT WANNA GO TO HEAVEN
I dont agree with you on this I believe killing animals is ok if you do it yourself and for food grocery store meat is a terrible thing but I still eat it every day I wish vegan food was as easy and nutritious for you and I would go vegan but it's very hard to go vegan as a 245 pound 6'5 guy like I'd have to eat so many plants to get the protein of a fresh chuck burger from the butchers
Your first video was fucked up this is a much better idea you can tell them it's real meat then afterwards explain its beyond and it will actually be funny
the religion arguments are so weak 😴 the golden rule says to "do unto others as you would have them do unto you"... animals classify as others. 🐷🐣🐮 go vegan!
If you like more information on what the vegan guy was talking about, then watch: " game changers ", " Dominion ", " Dairy is scary ", and " What the Health " documentaries
The thing is, JiDion didnt PAY for the animal to be killed.... It was already killed, he just bought that shit. You could think that if he didnt buy it, that animals life could've been ended for nothing as the meat couldve gone bad.
@Jord 🏳️⚧️ but if he didnt buy it, someone else wouldve, or it wouldve gone to waste... Theres really no way to just stop the cycle... 1 person saying "im not gonna buy meat" doesnt help anything... A different person will just fill there spot
@idk420blazeit Thousands of animals have been saved from people going vegan because farmers are breeding less animals to kill now. Even if people still eat meat, the suffering prevented by those who go vegan still matters.
@Jord 🏳️⚧️ i get what youre saying, and i love animals... But what im saying is that there will always be a demand for the meat... Good discussion too 👍🏻👍🏻, very rare to not have a toxic discussion in any social media comment section.
@Jord 🏳️⚧️ That's not true. Vegan meals also kill animals. Pesticides kill so many different species of animals that it's crazy. Farms also hire huntersto kill pests that attempt to eat the crops.
Just check the crop potection videos on YouTube. Also check out Garland Farms he is great at exposing the vegan hypocrisy.
@Kreed2k Yes you're right and that's horrific but the definition of veganism is that it's a philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude—as far as is possible and practicable—all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals.
We can only do the best we possibly can. If the world goes vegan there would be significantly less animals being slaughtered. We can't eradicate all of it, sadly that's the world we live in, but we can do our best
@Jord 🏳️⚧️ That actually the Vegans Societies definition of veganism and actually their 13th definition since it's formation in 1945. But lets pretend that it is the actual definition of veganism because it's so vague it means that most people are vegan whether they eat meat or not. I doing as much as possible and practicable and that leaves me eating meat.
If all livestock stopped being slaughtered, you would still have all the animals dying out in the crop fields.
The point is many vegans are extremely hypocritical within the movement and that's what I'm trying to highlight.
@Jord 🏳️⚧️ Says who? If I buy vegan I still kill animals. In my mind I'm doing all that I can. Therefor I'm vegan according to the vague definition that you just provided me.
Ji sorry but just leave it, just dont do those pranks anymore and thats that, nobody over the age of 8 finds that shit funny anyways.. and no im not a vegan, neither a vegi, but its still childish and cringey bs, just let those people be and do ur thing there is no damn need to cause such controversy over a video that isnt even funny..i woulda rather seen u blow up a trashcan or sum shit, that woulda been 50x more entertaining....
All cows are female and only produce milk when they are pregnant, the farmer sticks his hand up the cows anus to align the cervix and injects bull semen into the cow which was obtained by masturbating the bull. This gets her pregnant.
After the cows baby is born, if it's male it gets shot in the head not long after birth and turned into veal. If they're female they go through the same process as their mother being impregnated yearly and having their milk stolen until eventually they are too old and get their throat slit or bolted in the head so they can be ground up into a burger.
@Assassin 9958 With a simple youtube search you will find exactly the same footage that Dominion shows for every country. How do you think animals get slaughtered? Do you think they get cuddled to death? You simply cannot take away mother's babies (e.g. for then taking their milk from them) without violence. Please watch Dominion and give me an exact example that is supposed to be cherry picked. :)
All cows are female and only produce milk when they are pregnant, the farmer sticks his hand up the cows anus to align the cervix and injects bull semen into the cow which was obtained by masturbating the bull. This gets her pregnant.
After the cows baby is born, if it's male it gets shot in the head not long after birth and turned into veal. If they're female they go through the same process as their mother being impregnated yearly and having their milk stolen until eventually they are too old and get their throat slit or bolted in the head so they can be ground up into a burger.
@Assassin 9958 We don't need meat to stay alive therefore we don't need to kill animals.
If we can do something that's kinder and better for the animals and the planet we should be mature, responsible people and do so.
Look you're obviously never going to go vegan because you don't have the self discipline over your own taste buds, but people with more compassion and empathy will, so we'll keep going round reaching those people. I couldn't give a shit what a selfish and immature person like you thinks.
@Assassin 9958 The idea that the way nature intended us to function is the "logical way" is just flawed.
In nature animals rape each other to reproduce, humans used to do the same.
We realised we were better than that and rape isn't morally okay and needed.
Vegans realised that killing a creature which suffered isn't morally okay and needed.
Same principle
Plants, fruit and veg are proven to provide all the nutrients and vitamins a person needs to live, the only thing lacking is B12 which is actually lacking in plenty of meat eaters diets too.
Are you seriously saying that you justify paying for an something to die because of the one vitamin only found in animals (B12) which even then isn't enough for 40% of people living in America.
@Assassin 9958 Are you saying rape is subjectively okay? And if not why is it any different to taking a life?
Also just because we CAN eat meat doesn't mean we are biologically built to.
YouTube keeps deleting my comment when I post links but there's plenty of articles and research that proves we aren't designed to be meat eaters at all.
Those small blunt canine teeth we have are not enough to bite through the hide of an animal like a lions teeth are...so how are we designed biologically to eat meat?
We have small canine teeth, soft fingernails, not claws, we have all the characteristics of herbivores. We also have the enzyme amylase in our saliva which isn't found in carnivores.
@Assassin 9958 People are also not designed we are a product of evolution, our bodies adapted to eating meat because we had to, to survive, we can easily adapt back to not requiring it at all...
Wait so you think rape would be okay if it was legal? Huh okay...
(Are Humans ‘Designed’ To Eat Meat?) - Plant based news (2020)
Highlights all the reasons we aren't including plenty of sources you can check out
(What is our natural diet? Are humans Evolutionary adapted to eat animals plants or both?) - Juliet Gellatley of Viva (2015)
Look into it, do some research I'm sure there's plenty of other studies
Meathooked: The History and Science of Our 2.5-Million-Year Obsession with Meat, by science writer Marta Zaraska. This highlights why It's so difficult for people to give up meat.
NPR did an article discussing the book too called
(Humans Are 'Meathooked' But Not Designed For Meat-Eating)
cmon man its the circle of life. animals kill other animals to live. people kill animals that are eatable not that they kill just for the cause of killing. but killing friendly, more intelligent or simply not eatable animals is fucked up. thats it
its not the circle of life, its the circle of suffering and death animals also r*pe eachoter and eat their own babies. should we do that too? or do we realize that we dont need to eat animals to survive, and we can just eat plants instead.
Nope, humans don't belong in the food chain. Food chain exists in the environment. If you leave a human in a forest and let them survive, he will occupy a position in the food chain. But currently we are outside the food chain.
Vegans are softy’s because animals in the wild eat meat to and we should to tigers kill without mercy so should we. We humans need to survive to you feel me
the religion argument doesnt hold though, do you really think that if jesus came down in 2021 and saw we have supermarkets and chose to eat anything we should pick the option that kills? he would pick peace and the option that requires no death, just like in the garden of eden.
@Ruben French nah he’s right cuz Jesus would never come down just to say something. When he’s coming back he’s taking us. So according to the Bible, your argument is invalid.
the alpha and omega Jesus Christ would eat fish and other animals goat sheep and made it rain quails signifying fast food such as KFC that now sell 3d printed food fast food is not food. do you think your MCDS cheeseburger wrap that has written "100% beef" is actually 100%beef? Hahaha no that is the name of the company that produces that meat for them LOL
@ecstasy dude wtf😂😂 animals aren't concious?? fr??? we know that animals are biologically sentient beings that feel pain, have emotions, and feelings. otherwise people wouldn't love their dogs and cats sm. reality is, every animal that is slaughtered for food is just as sentient as a pet dog or cat. watch some factory farming footage and tell me those animals don't have pain and fear in their eyes. watch a video of a dog being abused and hear their whimpers of pain. y'all need to start listening to actual science over your fantasy book🤷♀️
Yes his argumants are backed by science and ethics. The argument is that we do not have to consume anything that comes from bodies to be healthy and thrive. So it's unnecessary slaughter and can not be justified so we have to stop funding animal breeding.
@Orange Juice and ofc I believe that this happens. As a meat eater I am perfectly fine with this process. What I’m saying is the way that he presented the argument was lazy.
This vegan guy is not educated at all. He said “the Bible supports slavery” when the Jews were the ones in slavery by the Egyptians. Also Acts Chapter 10 explains why people can eat meat.
@Orange Juice nah meat is supposed to be eaten by humans just like how animals also eat meat. Vegans can be vegans but dont get mad at us for tryna have a healthy diet and enjoy food
As someone commented earlier, you know that most vegans are not vegans by birth right? Veganism is not about never having eaten an animal, it is about reducing animal suffering
@Orange Juice people don't just find other jobs overnight they gonna be unemployed for a while and what about the kids who dream of becoming farmers or butchers etc... vegans are ruining their dreams smh selfish
@Kreed2k By "vegan food" you mean plants? You do know that most of the food produced in the world is fed to animals right? https://youtu.be/nyVlDEdxPew
@Julian Milhe That's exactly my point, they are not gonna turn jobless overnight. They don't have to give up farming. They just have to stop butchering innocent animals. I don't know any kids who dream of becoming butchers... willingly wanting to kill animals. You know what is selfish? Murder. Just because you can have that taste of eating meat.
Livestock also only consume a minority of the crops that are grown for humans. Livestock don't consume sugar cane, potatoes, rice, avocados, strawberries, oranges nuts and a long list of other fruit and vegetables. So even without the study your claim is wrong.
@Orange Juice The truth about it all is that we humans need meat to be completely healthy. Vegans always end up with health problems and even though they get some nutrients from other things other than animals it's not ideal for your body not to have meat / fish and all that.
@Orange Juice also please realise that animals kill animals because they like the way they taste and dangerous animals would kill us too for the taste... we just happen to be higher on the food chain so we shouldnt take it for granted 🤷♂️
His argument where the Bible justifys slavery is incorrect. Bible protected slaves. Slavery was way different back then, lemme explain. Back then people became slaves of there own free will because they would be provided shelter a place to stay, food etc, so people became slaves of there own free will, the Bible never once said go make someone a slave against there will. The Bible protected slaves from death and things like that. You can’t take the Bible out of context. So the Bible never justified bad slavery, it justified good slavery and I’ll explain one more time, people became slaves of there own free will back then yes some people forced people as slaves but they were disobeying God because God never said go make someone ur slave without there consent. So the Bible encouraged good slavery where the slaves were protected not encourage bad slavery where the slaves could be killed.
90% of all slaughter houses kill their animals painlessly and quickly with 1 bullet to the brain,that’s the best way you can do it idek why the dude talking about slitting throats😹
Vegans care for animals, carnivores are animals, why is it that they need to fuck with our diets, go tell a cheetah to switch to eating tofu and almond milk, go ahead
This guy speaking out of context with the bible obviously he doesn’t know it and doesn’t know that after Salvation, people didn’t have to go by the old laws of sacrificing animals anymore. Saying that the bible justifies SLAVERY is very much wrong! Just because slavery was a thing in biblical times doesn’t mean God was pleased with the creul behaviour of mankind.
Animals were putting in the world so that we eat them same as plants and other stuff going completely vegan or meat is wrong u should stay in between he is only eating plants cause he fells that when he pick them up they don't feel and that's wrong plants feel same as animals go do ur research then talk about being Vegan
the thing is meat is good ash pause… but it’s the way of life animals die regardless if we kill them or another animal kills them even if they get bread in a “slaughter house”
Animals eat animals tho: Animals in the wild also rape, murder, steal, commit infanticide and cannibalism. Dont look at the actions of animals to base your morals on.
There are about 100 BILLION land animals in animal agriculture. The majority of crops, such as corn, soy, grains, are grown to feed these animals. A shift to a vegan diet we could reduce land use by 70%. Being vegan requires a great deal less resources.
Th bible, and with it god, in exodus 21 does condone slavery. You can call it indentured servitude all you want, its still a form of slavery. A benevolent god would have just said slavery is not allowed, not make a whole chapter on how to trwat your slaves, that you can beat them and they are your property.
Plants are living beings to but I guess its alright to kill them in they're minds cuz they dont see a breathing animal this whole world is full of life death is just a product of it
We live in a fallen creation as a result of sin expecting this world to be a paradise where nothing suffers is a lie. Everything will suffer and everything will die. It’s not being vegan it’s the ideology that you can erase all suffering out of this word by doing works. There will always be evil in this world. But don’t be discouraged for this world is not all there is God will make a new world where death will be no more. Just trust in Jesus Christ (and repent of your sins) Who God became to suffer the punishments of all mans sins so that anyone who believes can be allowed into heaven and found not guilty.
There's a food chain for a reason, go protest against the lions tell them to eat grass lol. There are herbivores in nature and omnivores in nature and carnivores, humans were made with the capability to eat meat and plants, which means it is their choice, animals were meant to be eaten and to eat other animals, period. Next time you see a snake in your house let it bite you first, #savethesnake :)
Bruh the Bible allows for slavery is such an invalid point. Slavery was the term that was used as in like boss-employee relationship. ‘Slaves’ were sheltered, eat same food, treated no less and were doing duties like farming, andddd freed after the contract. Does that sound like slavery that you know?
The Bible doesn't support the same slavery 400 years ago. The slavery it supports is that of indentured servitude. N technically we are not obligated to sacrifice the lamb anymore. But we cn still eat meat, including lamb lol. U cant say its objectively wrong...den deny God's validity as an agnostic. U can't deny because "u don't know". What metric of objectivity trumps ur ignorance of God? Wouldn't the sheer possibility of God's existence (which u allow for as an agnostic) discredit anything u think is objective if it goes against what God says? The Bible scales higher than sum butthurt vegans🤣. If u dnt wanna eat meat, dats cool. But u cnt get mad at us for doin it. Plus if u think humans and animals are equal...den u gotta stop animals from eating each other. But I bet u wont bc its "natural". It's ok for us to eat meat too, God says so. But since vegans think we evolved from animals, according to their logic, it would also b "natural" for us to eat meat as well. Just stick to urs...n we'll stick to ours.
@That guy God, Science, Archeology, History, Prophetic accuracy, Several witness testimonials, the sheer fact that no contradiction exists in that holy book. Essential part of the oldest Monotheistic religion. It was written over a timespan of over a thousand years with different writers...and it all correlates perfectly as if coming from one Author. It all makes sense, and is the oldest book still in modern use with more manuscripts to back it up than ANY literary work to date. Capable of entirely changing lives for the better and providing an excellent solid foundation (value system) for morality/ethics that allow for true peace n love WORLDWIDE. It's truly a valid book.
@Laelo ok I find you claims very interesting. Obviously I can’t address all of them so I’ll address the ones I find most interesting. You said history proves that the Bible is the word of God. If that’s the case then can you explain why the Bible refers to the ruler of Egypt during the time of Prophet Joseph and Moses as pharaoh while the term pharaoh wasn’t used to refer to the ruler of Egypt during the time of Prophet Joseph?
@That guy The same way I can refer to a pharoah of that time period by "pharoah" right now. Pharoah SIMPLY means ruler of Egypt. So if Joseph addressed the pharoah as "King of Egypt" or "ruler of Egypt" or "ruler/king (obviously of Egypt)", then linguistically speaking this is sound. For by the time of writing it was known thing to do so, being in 1513 BCE in all. Just as in Genesis it talks about the creation of the earth before human language was a thing. It still referred to the prebiotic earth as "earth", tho at the time "earth" wasn't a word. If it sed "a man who has sex with man" n it is rendered "a homosexual". Same thing, even tho it wasn't a word back then...it refers to the same thing so its still technically accurate. It just uses language in common use. Dats all.
@Laelo Pharaoh doesn’t simply mean ruler of Egypt. That was the case post new kingdom but it wasn’t before that. It meant a number of things over time but prior to the new kingdom period it was either used to refer to “The large house" as designation of the king's palace in the Old Kingdom Period. "The palace" = residence of the king and other inhabitants.” Your analogy of Genesis isn’t adding up. You used an example when God says things that might not align with the time period and that’s fine because he’s all knowing and anachronism don’t apply to him because he’s timeless. But it would be a problem in this scenario because we’re receding to a human who isn’t timeless and is bounded by it. When I said Pharaoh is used to refer to the ruler of Egypt during the time of pharaoh, it’s not only a problem because it’s used by the author of the Bible but also the fact that prophet Joseph himself stated so. Joseph called Pharaoh pharaoh in a verse in the Bible. I can provide the verse if you want. Let me give you an analogy so you can better understand. Let’s say in about 500 years from now we refer to the president as googla(made up word). Now let’s say someone today were to use that word to refer to the president. It just wouldn’t make sense because that’s not what we use to refer to the president currently so it wouldn’t make sense to call the president by that. Now use that analogy to understand my argument. The use of pharaoh during the time of Joseph is simply anachronistic and the Bible falls into that
@That guy No bc I didn't say God called it the earth. I sed it was written "earth" in reference to that time period. That's y I gave the example of homosexual (instead of man who sleeps with man). Same thing. Now if in 500 years Googla comes to refer to "the president", it's effectively the same thing so yes it would apply and work out. It doesn't matter because any president is a googla, according to the language in use 500 years from now so that's fine. Pharoah does simply mean ruler of Egypt. Literally "a ruler in ancient Egypt" in Oxford. Other sources corroborate that this is what pharoah means now and has been meaning this for a long time now. Doesn't matter where it came from, it has been used this way since BCE times, since Bible times. Even b4 Moses wrote it as such, as phrases r often used verbally b4 writing. So yea it still works. The Bible is still valid for we even today refer to them as pharoahs. N if I were to quote someone of an older time period, it's the equivalent of me instead of saying "thy" I say "you". Tho I could say thy, I don't have to because it's not that important for the purpose of what I am trying to accomplish...which is simply tell the story to ppl with language they are familiar with. Genesis 40:1 "After these things, the chief cupbearer of the king of Egypt and the chief baker sinned against their lord, the king of Egypt. 2 So Pharʹaoh grew indignant at his two officers, the chief cupbearer and the chief baker". The Bible itself even substantiates pharoah meaning "ruler/king of Egypt". This is way simpler than always having to say king of Egypt when one can say pharaoh as was common during Moses' time period. He uses them together just as we use them together. This was common when Moses wrote Genesis, still is today.
@Laelo your example of homosexual doesn’t add up as well. You cannot call someone a homosexual if that wasn’t the word that was used to refer to them at the time. Let’s say for sake of argument that back in the day they referred to gay people as poles. You therefore cannot call them a homosexual at that time due to the simple fact that it wasn’t used at that time to refer to gay people. I don’t understand the problem. It’s quite simple your making it complicated. Did you really use my example and said that it makes sense to use that term to refer to presidents now? Cmon let’s be honest with ourselves. It makes no sense to use a term that isn’t applicable or used for a certain time period and then use it in that time period. That’s called anachronism. Seems like your not getting this concept. This is the exact thing that the Bible falls into. You stated “it doesn’t matter because any president is a googla, according to the language in use 509 years from now”. No that’s not fine. The reason this is is due to the fact that googla is a term used to refer to the president in 500 years NOT currently. So to use the term currently and refer to the president as that would make no sense and would be an anachronistic use of the word. Let’s continue with this example. Let’s say I were to go to the president and call him a googla. Let’s say “I were to say how are you googla of America”. It would make no sense because you wouldn’t have a clue what I’m talking about. People 500 years from now would understand what I’m saying but people currently wouldn’t don’t you agree? You you do agree then explain why the Joseph uses a term for the ruler of Egypt that wasn’t used at the time? No Pharaoh doesn’t simply mean ruler of Egypt. Notice what I’m saying tho. I’m not saying that pharoah doesn’t mean ruler of Egypt entirely, I’m simply stating that not only did it mean that during a specific time period, but also that that not the meaning of it throughout time specifically during the time of Joseph. You said that “this is what pharaoh means now and has been meaning this for a long time”. That’s simply not the case and I’ll demonstrate that. “There are three distinct entries mentioned in Wörterbuch Der Aegyptischen Sprache for the word "per-aa":
"The large house" as designation of the king's palace in the Old Kingdom Period. "The palace" = residence of the king and other inhabitants. As a designation of the king. Since the 18th Dynasty of the New Kingdom Period, the Egyptian word for "king".
Reference: A. Erman & H. Grapow, Wörterbuch Der Aegyptischen Sprache, 1926, Volume 1, J. C. Hinrichs'sche Buchhandlung: Leipzig, 516, 2-5.
Similarly, under the entry "Pharaoh", the British Museum Dictionary Of Ancient Egypt confirms that it was first used to refer to the king in the New Kingdom Period.
Pharaoh: Term used regularly by modern writers to refer to the Egyptian king. The word is the Greek form of the ancient Egyptian phrase per-aa ('the great house') which was originally used to refer to the royal palace rather than the king. The 'great house' was responsible for taxation of the lesser 'houses' (perw), such as the temple lands and private estates. From the New Kingdom (1550-1069 BC) onwards, the term was used to refer to the king himself.
Reference: “Pharaoh" in I. Shaw & P. Nicholson, British Museum Dictionary Of Ancient Egypt, 1995, British Museum Press: London, p. 222.
As for your last point. I’ve never seen this before but I can give you a basic response to it. It’s really a straw man. I never said the Bible doesn’t use the word Pharaoh to refer to the king of Egypt, I said that it’s use of the term Pharaoh to refer to the ruler of Egypt during time of Joseph is anachronistic because it simply wasn’t used during that time as demonstrated. Also as for your last sentence of “this is way simpler than always having to say king of Egypt when one can say pharaoh as was common during Moses time period”. This wasn’t the case as demonstrated.
This is literally what it says on Google.As a new study in Nature makes clear, not only did processing and eating meat come naturally to humans, it's entirely possible that without an early diet that included generous amounts of animal protein, we wouldn't even have become human—at least not the modern, verbal, intelligent humans we are. So if y'all mf can't live without your phone and you like your opposable thumbs or you can't leave the house without having an hour-and-a-half decision on what to wear between 2 set of clothes or you like being at the top of the food chain so you don't get eaten can't you like your warm bed with covers and a roof over your head I would think about not getting your panties in a twist about an on vegans😂😂😂😂😂😂😂. Hey bro I hope you read this I love your videos
I'm sorry but as humans were supposed to eat meat like Godwin the made the circle of life as in the food chain if it was wrong to eat animals our body physically needs meat to survive I'm sorry but it does like have you guys ever had like fried Gator before think of it like this if you were in front of that gator it wouldn't hesitate to take a chunk out of your arm like if they had bigger brains and opposable thumbs you know how many people would die by being filleted like a fish like there's teeth in your mouth specifically for chewing meet like I'm not saying being vegan is bad because I get your own lifestyle but if somebody is making you mad by eating meat like they're supposed to don't treat them different and look at them with disgust because it's their own life choice and it's actually the regular life choice you're supposed to have😶
You can debate this man entire belief because he still draws the line. He talked about would you kill a human will slightly different dna. So he is trying to make the argument where do we draw the line. Vegans still kill bugs and they still kill germs and they still step on grass which can kill many lifeforms. They still kill micro organisms' everyday. I morally believe humans are above all animals. Yes there is a religion out there called jainism who do believe all life and life forms matters. To the extent where they refuse to even eat plants like carrots. So at the end of the day it just comes down to our morals and where we draw the line.
Thats bullshit . Veganism is a Health thing for many people . Humans aren’t carnivores we are planteaters that’s why I don’t eat any meat 🤷🏽♂️ if I would be the dog I’ll eat all of that but I’m not what a fool
I think it’s funny how vegans most used argument is ur paying for animals to be shot killed etc…. Bitch it was already dead and gonna die wether I bought it after or not… shit just happened to be charley the cow and not sheen the cow this time
Are you familiar with concept of supply and demand? if you stop buying it, the demand would decrease thus the supply would also, meaning less animals being killed, and the more people who stop, the more the supply would decrease.
@HMS victory Ryan just like the whole world still isn’t religious even tho people pass religion like recruiting for the army not everybody is going to go vegan… ever and killing happens in nature for food anyway and we just call it the food chain, u stop one of the links and then we got over population in on area so now we got cows over grazing and then it fucks up crops… I’m pretty sure u see where I’m going
Vegans Talk about how we should stop eating these animals but they never talk about less cruel & more humane ways of putting down these animals or how to regulate the amount of animals that would be let loose example in the world could be higher now but the last time I checked there are 1.51 Billion Cows in the world all producing an extreme amount of Methane into are atmosphere causing a lot of factors to Global warming but no one talks about how long it would take without killing cows for their population to go down by natural causes we are in pretty deep & sometimes drastic measures need to be taken the cows population might just start to grow quicker but certain diets can reduce the amount of Methane cows produce a lot of the worlds problems stem from similar issues & life would be so much better if we could ditch political discourse with certain ideologies to come together to find a solution it exist it’s just no one has the power to make that change alone without some type of help but we all rather coast by as the world gets help killing itself
This dude JiDion crazy asf but ngl he was spitting fax an making dude sound goofy… dude only had one argument which was animals get killed but my dawg JiDion was speaking fax an he had hella fax
Animals, like lions eat other animals to survive, yes they can eat plants but they develop a sense of taste Us humans do the same, we eat to survive but we prefer different foods because our taste
The vegan in this vid said workers kill animals, yes but they do it to feed humans to survive, not for fun. Animals do the exact same thing they kill for food not fun.
Yo jiDion don’t forget what the Bible says to do, your a funny guy but we shall not live in these worldly things. I love you and I hope you have a good life and a good relationship with the lord
He doesn't think that. Human people often get brought up into conversations like this because both humans and animals are sentient, and the goal of doing so is to try to help people to empathise with the animal as we share certain feelings, such as fear, pain, etc.
cavemen had no choice but to eat meat, y’all vegan mfs would not last if y’all lived during the ice age, so be grateful that you have a choice of what to eat. stop acting so entitled and holier than thou by forcing ur beliefs, lifestyle, and opinions onto everyone else
Before anything we are Mammals which is a class of Animals. So we ourselves are Animals. Why would you protest a human for hunting a cow but not a wolf ? We both kill it for the same reason, and a cows death is inevitable in the wild. We just get it before any other predator reaches it. It will die eventually if we left it alone either way.
The meat industry employs more than half a million people in America alone. But vegans care more about the lives of soulless animals than humans being able to provide for their families.
In islam our prophet advised us to eat meat only two times per week he was an advocate for this, in today's time this would be very helpful for man kind to stop excessively killing animals but to also keep us healthy. Also advises us to treat animals with kindness and to slaughter them in a way where they do not feel to much pain and peacefully. People in today's time should really look back and become more humane.
Yo I ain't vegan but the way animals are being slaughtered excessicely and meat getting wasted is pretty messed up humans weren't designed to eat to much meat in the first place
Please be respectful and take veganism seriously. It's hardly even a choice when people become vegan. It is a paradigm shift, a change in perspective. We realized we were wrong in our actions and we had a moral obligation to live a different way. I can't go back on that even if I wanted to. Are you against animal abuse? Then you're already vegan at heart. Align your actions with your ethics, the only thing you'll regret is not doing it sooner. ✌️
What people need to understand is everyone sees and views everything different. I don’t always agree with people’s views and beliefs but I least can see why and understand why they say and do what they do
Veganism is so dumb. Your vegan because you have a choice. ancient humans didnt have that choice. They ate what they hunted or picked. What about the food chain???? Death happens my guy get over yalls self. We need to be worried about humans killing humans rather than what to eat. Also you can't get furious and mock eating meat if we arent allowed to do the same. FREEDOM
what i personally think vegans dont understand is that if we didn’t kill the animals for a means of natural food, then there would be animal overpopulation and the world would be different, the world has been just fine by using animals as a means of healthy food, so i don’t really understand why all of a sudden its a problem now
Wow like actually hear you talk about real stuff about the meat and talking about believing and God like bro that's so much respect from ... I dont subscribe to too many but you got mines today
Bible does not condone slavery lol, slavery was very different the way we see it now. Basically it wasn't as cruel and you were a man for hire with benefits (a lot of slaves were paid and could by their freedom or some would not and they would stay under the care of their (owner) because the quality of life under their household.
i fw animals but what purpose do they serve other than being a companion. they’re going to pass away either way so we might as well use them to feed people. it’s messed up but it is what it is.
careful disussing the bible with these people but also your evidence wasnt accurate. Ancient israel and from the beggining of man with abel and cain presented animal sacrifices but that law was removed and this actually didnt mean that we couldnt consume them before in fact during Noahs time and onward they were able to partake of meat from animals. There have been accounts where Gods people have abstain from meat for instance Jews in Daniels time actually some still follow such law today where they dont eat meat but Gods laws have removed that from being the case and eating meat is permissable.
Ok so why do animals kill each other and eat each other? Are the animals evil? And why do animals and humans have the enzymes for digesting MEAT. If it wasn’t meant to be, we wouldn’t have omnivore teeth which is a blend of herbivore and carnivorous teeth. The world would be overpopulated! It’s a natural order of nature, a natural law to keep earth from having too much of this and that. Yin and yang.
Although I do agree that we should minimize killing animals (especially now since a lot are going extinct). Killing animals is literally part of human nature. Our ancestors have been doing it for survival and we’ve been on top of the food chain for centuries.
respect to that guy honestly, made some decent points, i aint checking his vids out cause fuck haveing vegan propoganda in my feeds but fucking legend tbh
Humans have been predators since god put us on this earth. There is nothing wrong with it! Some people can twist things up in any kind of way just to make a story. Just garbage if u ask me
It does have to happen if it doesn’t they will become over populated then what give them medicine to kill them or let them go to waste no you have to have population control and not let them go to waste
So vegans want us to stop slaughtering cows because its life isn’t any less important than ours. Now, why don’t they stop lions from eating gazelles? Don’t gazelle lives matter just as much as cow lives? Oh right, as carnivores, the lions will starve.
Ironically, they’re the same people who say humans are just animals unlike us Muslims (and others) who recognize the special status of humans over animals.
A. Kill the lion. B. Kill the gazelle. C. Let us omnivores eat both meat and plants.
Yeah we kill animals for meat who knew this dude keeps saying "shot in the head" like someone takes a Glock and shoots them in the head point blank or lines them up against a firing wall 🤣 he's definitely is one of those "It's a Holocaust" types A dumb fish is nothing compared to Human Intelligence and that dude saying would you eat a human with different DNA, not the same thing, a Chicken like a Mindless Zombie compared to a Human If it was a Monkey no I wouldn't probably not for intelligent reasons or because they're like us but because it can mess up your DNA and creates new diseases and viruses, all Bush Meat I would avoid at all cost but Farm Animals, pass me that bacon double cheeseburger 😍
And I am not 100% about Farm Animals but Hunting and Fishing I love that, it's way more moral to eat your own kill than pretend it doesn't happen
David actually makes some strong points. Curious though are you Jewish or catholic? Cause I've never heard of sacrificing a lamb. I'm non denominational myself
@XxxBenGeebox_the finesser appreciate the comment man. Very interested with theology especially with the Christian religion seeing I'm christan myself but as a non demonitstional we don't do the sacrificing of a lamb.
The Bible says to not eat pork but y’all do it anyways. Your religion is out dated bro. I grew up a Christian until I started doing my own research and life experience.
ima keep it a buck no one gives a fuck about them animals, everything and everyone dies. unfortunately it was just little piggy’s time to go. its food and we gotta eat
Also I don't understand vegans. The way the grow their crops with pesticides to kill off rabbits and deer isn't vegan. And another thing idk why they're like ohhh it's fucked up to slice a pigs throat or shoot it in the head when the same animals will straight up eat your ass ALIVE 💀💀💀
We was put here to survive and we are omnivores so we can eat plants and meats. We probably stabilize the food chain but people have different opinions.
@travis_loves_cougars I had a really bad seizure. A young nigga was chilling and outta no where my body geeked out and I had to get an ambulance to take me. Luckily JiDion had just posted.
jidion the man but he really ain’t listening and getting the point.. it’s not about subjectivity, or beliefs. the vegan dudes problem was fundamentally about how jidion disrespected their culture on purpose
This dude ^ 😂 bruh… being a Christian means you give your heart to you Jesus. And you care for one Another. God loves you know matter what happens. And you should love him too
Animals were made to eat.. they don’t feel betrayed or sad when there time comes.. and they are “murdered” or anything bad.. they walk into a room and someone dinks them on the eat and they die😂 like okay they done
Once the guy said the Bible promotes slavery I stopped hearing him out😹like bro where do these ppl get this info from and why do they never say exactly where in the Bible it says so💀
JiDion has a good point that the dude didnt understand. The vegan guy said "my view isnt a belief its real, animals get killed in slaughter houses". Thats not the belief, the (vegan dude belief ) belief is that killing animals for food is immoral. Thats completely up to opinion not fact. Who's to say that it is or isn't? It's just up to one's personal views, there isn't a correct/right answer
The fact is that animals suffer and feel pain and have a strong will to live and maintain their well-being. Those are facts. Now if we can survive and thrive without compromising their well-being then wouldn't you'd say we are morally obligated to do so? If we are capable of surviving and thriving without taking their lives against their will, then the act of taking their lives against their will becomes unnecessary. When you unnecessarily kill them, how can it be justified? Because it tastes good? Because you feel like it? Because you can? Is it a fair justification to take away someone's most valuable experience for our most trivial? I'm really trying to understand your perspective because it seems completely unreal to me. Also you cannot say that animals are something and not someone. A couch is a thing. A cow has a unique personality and experiences their own subjective reality.
The bible does not slavery AT ALL, that guy does not know what he’s talking about at all. He’s just a fake stuck up “know it all.” He was literally saying a whole bunch of nothing😂JiDion ate him up
The only way to ensure an animals safety is to buy or adopt an animal. Just wait until vegans find out about what happens to cats and dogs that never get purchased at shelters
all ill say regarding the meat industry is... it is a bit inhumane the way the animals are raised and to a degree there needs to be change but alot of animals that people eat can be considered invasive and to ecosystems and a lot of the time they die its horrible deaths or conditions, multiple animals get frost bite each year from the cold, some animals die of heatstroke or dehydration or get torn to shreds by other animals. Ill just leave it at that, theres points to both sides but as long as you see both sides of the spectrum then you can have a debate from there.
It's the food chain bro. Dog eat dog. There's a reason vegans have very slim, unhealthy bodies and most of them don't last 6 months unless they're banging down vitamin and protein supplements. Does it matter if animals were killed? Are vegans pissed at carnivores too? They got shot in the head, instant death, doesn't feel a thing. A wolf may take a bit out of a cow and let it bleed out for hours.
They never justified slavery not even once in fact he freed all of his people from being slaves, so idk wtf that bitch was talkin abt and and they mention slaves many times but they its not like the people were ok with it :/
Seen an argument on how if you take vegan logic being vegan is as bad as not being vegan, I can’t remember there whole points but I remember it being something along the lines of-“plants are living organisms just because they don’t yell when there getting essentially killed doesn’t mean they don’t feel it, yes you can replant but you can also have the animal have babies essentially being the same thing, farmers feed there animals extra proteins to make em more lean and strong and with plants they add shit too.”
I just wanna point out that eating meat advanced our race of mammal into more a more intellectual, stronger and more advanced race. Before meat, we were more simpler herbivores that just ate fruit and were on the level of lesser apes, until we started scavenging and eating marrow from the bones of carcasses that other carnivores left behind. Once we started realizing we can also eat other animals to survive all the extra calories and vitamins and such put forth to making our brains larger and more advanced, along with our bodies becoming bigger and stronger.
Okay but plants are alive too 🤔 There have been studies that show plants will become bitter if animals are grazing up wind of it. Just because we don't understand the intricate mathematical language doesn't mean they aren't communicating. Never made sense to me why vegans think its okay to eat one living organism and not another.
Well the Bible acknowledges slavery it does not justify it. Remember the Bible is some ancient writings so it was made when slavery was just as normal as eating. It was a every day life thing that was normal. What the Bible talks about slavery but they don’t condemn it as it is obviously old writing. Yet again slavery can come in different names cough cough( Saudi workers)
I mean the weird vegan dude was right ab the whole out dated thing in the Bible. but that was in the Old Testament Jesus has not came and died for us yet. so we had to kill animals basically as like a repentance to god, but now that he has died for us, we go by the 10 commandments which is the “modern law of the Bible” and if god had us kill animals then it’s not bad bc we are doing it for god.
The bible doesnt justify slavery what does this dude talking about. Slaves in the bible where people that owed a debt to someone and didn't have money to pay
It’s an opinion to want to save animals but a long time ago humans had to kill animals for food to survive. It was a survival instinct that became natural. It’s been in our dna since the first kill of an animal. So for a group of people to say it’s wrong is just an opinion and at the end of the day we all have different opinions
The problem is vegan's will tell you eating a burger is the equivalent of murdering a cow, but the cow's already dead. If i don't eat the burger it's not gonna miraculously bring the cow back to life, it's just gonna waste the meat.
I’m not vegan. But the more people that do become vegan, the less people eat meat, which means demand for meat will go down and thus less cows will have to be killed eventually.
it’s a way of balancing the population. Not killin animals is gonna overpopulate animal species and for example cows dying of natural cause and decaying is a waste . Where instead of lettin then go to waste , that meat can be used for humans hunger .
This vegan guy is a chump. These are domestic animals that are killed for the consumption of humans. They are not just killed for no reason. It’s completely normal and it’s the same thing as in every food chain in the animal kingdom. We humans just like every other predator need to eat too survive so there is no reason to not eat meat.
You don't understand what your talking about. Simply because something is old, does not mean it is wrong. The Bible was not written a bunch of times, and they where not random people, it was translated into different languages by many very intelligent and professional transcribers. You have been brainwashed to hate Christianity, yet you don't even truly know it..
Ppl are straight cry babies bruh 😂😂 lmao. How they sit there and try n make u feel like you just killed this animal and took a shit on the corpse. Like lions and shit don’t exist. Some animals are in this planet as pray, fuckin deal with it
If I was a farmer & I raised farm animals and gave them the best life they can have all the way up until they die of natural causes or old age or whatever and then I decided to eat and butcher it , would that make vegans upset still ?
This dude is braindead he didn't pay for it to be murked it was already murked and there is nothing u can do to stop them from being murked all he did was buy and eat it
Pull out relativism next time jidion. Just say “ we won’t be able to know what’s good without the bad and vice versa so you they can’t say it’s bad or it’s good
this vegan guy gets mad about the video online, and then expects Jidion to have to explain why he would be so evil for eating the animals that were put on this earth for us and other animals to eat. and the thing is, he did explain it, and the guy was dumbfounded. good job Jidion, good job.
If god wants humans to eat animals why did he give them the ability to feel pain and suffer while giving humans a brain to think and notice their pain and suffering. It’s not 10,000 BCE. Humans have evolved to have morals—unlike other animals—so use them. We stopped slavery in US, we gave women the right to vote, we allow gay marriage, etc. We continue to stop forms of oppression.
Lions and other true carnivores cannot get heart disease or have a stroke/heart attack. What is the number 1 killer in humans…heart disease. What are the main contributors to heart disease…eating meat, dairy, and eggs.
Humans have spit on god’s creations by selectively breeding them. The modern day egg laying hen came from domesticating the red junglefowl. The animal used to naturally lay 12-15 eggs per year. Humans have manipulated them to produce 200-300 eggs per year. Most die from diseases like osteoporosis or prolapse. Look up chick culling and tell me that’s what god wants. Their life is not yours to take. Just because a person wants something doesn’t give them the right to take it from someone else. Animal agriculture is hurting the environment, our health, and the nonhuman animals. Those are signs from god that we should stop.
The meat industry is using the same tactics the tobacco companies were using. Propaganda is everywhere; I employ you research what you are funding. https://dontwatch.org/
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Jacob Rodgers2021-08-18 03:19:54 (edited 2021-08-18 03:22:03 )
The bible's "slavery" was associated with debt slavery, in which a debtor would basically sign contracts based on what they owed. They would typically do this when they amassed a large debt they couldn't pay. Stealing and selling human beings was actually a capital offense as well as returning fugitives to their masters, according to the Old Testament. Exodus 21:16 says, “Whoever steals a man and sells him, and anyone found in possession of him, shall be put to death.” Deuteronomy 23:15–16 says: You shall not give up to his master a slave who has escaped from his master to you. He shall dwell with you, in your midst, in the place that he shall choose within one of your towns, wherever it suits him. You shall not wrong him.” I understand the confusion with todays connotation with the word slavery, but historical context is key. Anyways, banger vid🔥
I was vegan for four years and as a black man I would like to apologize to the entire black community for my insubordination idk wtf I was thinking but damn it am I glad to back #fucktyrone
Some animals should not be killed for eating purposes like dogs cats birds elephants lions tigers and more things that are ok is cows pigs lamb goat they are meant to be food dogs cats and the others are pets u don’t see a bird or lion in a restaurant you may see cat in China or Japan I know I’ve seen it there God put these animals for us you need the meat base protein and fibers to have a healthy baby plant base protein do not provide enough nutrients to fully provide a healthy body and the reason why I believe it’s ok to eat meat is because God put them here for us so we can survive I used to be a vegan until I read the Bible I also believe that unless your going to eat the animal u should not kill it that’s evil
u should try different title names to make it more watchable cuz all these videos be entertaining its just the thumbnail and title barely pull u in nd i think thats the problem
I hate how humans are like “don’t kill the poor pig, what did it do for you” Bro if that pig wasn’t domesticated it wouldn’t think twice about you. Being an Apex predator is being an Apex Predator. We wouldn’t be here playing nice, we got here fighting tooth and nail.
@Roger the Cock Machine Don't you think there's a difference between vegans going to protest to a restaurant and non-vegans going to harass people in vegan restaurants? Veganism is not about vegan people. Veganism is about animals, the victims of meat and other animal products. Vegans are protesting against non-vegans because vegans are defending animals from unnecessary suffering. Non-vegans are protesting against vegans because...non-vegans wants to cause unnecessary suffering to animals? I really don't get it.
At the rate these animals are dying it is messed up, but at the end of the day it’s the circle of life. Just like these animals are killing other animals to survive.
There are no victims when believing in jesus. There are victims when not going vegan.
Now you may say animals don't have enough moral worth to be considered a victim. Consider the "name that trait" argment.
The argument says it name a trait in animal, that if that trait existed in a human then it would justify eating the human for some bacon made from human. Remember that we are not talking about survival situations and that humans can be healthy on a vegan diet.
One example is a fish's intellegence. If a human had a fish's intellegence would that morally justify killing the that human for a meal just for taste and not for survival.
You mentioned monkeys? If humans lived in the jungle? If humans had tails? If a human had the same level of intellegence as a monkey?
The conclusion is that we can't actually justify uneccassarily killing animals because of any specific animal traits. It's a lie we tell ourself to make it okay to eat a tasty meal rather than eat a less tasty meal (maybe).
Why are animals on this earth? To shit and piss and fuck around? No, god put them so we can have food, proteins, and carbs. I shot a deer straight in the head and that mf ran a mile I think they have so much adrenaline they don’t feel anything. God isn’t gonna put something on this earth to be specifically killed to hurt and feel pain.
I am a Muslim and here is my take. Jidion I hope you read this my Christian brother! His argument that the Bible, or any religions teachings are morally 'wrong' because they come from a different time period to now is a fallacy. The truthfulness of a position is not dictated by the time in which it was created at all. Im sure that dude believes in democracy, and that is a concept older than the Bible and Quran, so why doesn't he denounce democracy on the same basis and call it 'outdated.'
Furthermore, his logic is self-defeating, because it would make all PRESENT moral positions wrong because one day they will become moral positions of the past, once time passes. So he inevitably is arguing against himself.
The other fallacy he used was relying on the harm principle.
Other then that, a very compelling argument can be made against vegans, when questioned on their worldview it is clear it is hard to philosophically justify their beliefs as objective in any way, especially without the anchorage of God.
Here is a discussion between a muslim and vegan on whether their whole perception of animal rights can be justified. https://youtu.be/tLyY2Y7p2-s
If the Bible "justified" slavery, than, "All men are created equal", would not be written in it. The whole book of Exodus shows how God helped his people get away from being slaves!
@Genesis also slave owners tried to use the Bible and twist it into their own words to justify slavery the actual Bible does not try to justify slavery
ya dumb lol slavery in the bible means indentured servitude - everyone thinks of american slavery of african americans as the definition of slavery but it changed over time
@Sniffhole97 Listen kid. I was a disciple group leader in a church for a number of years and lead a lot of people to the assumption that there was a god. I used to debate atheists all day every day. I knew and know way more than you just judging by your comments. I read books recommended by my atheist friends since they attended bible study. Eventually, after several years of reading their books, I realized I was an atheist. I put a lot of thought into this and it was an emotional rollercoaster. The words "lmao" are against your precious ten commandments, so you are a hypocrite who is not even trying to uphold the bible or your 'savior's' wishes. I do not have a problem with the concept of a god. I do not care, but shoving it in people's faces every chance you can via comment or irl does nothing, but turn them away. You will learn one day, or when you pass at whatever age you will be ignorant.
@caleb honey you became worldly and easily manipulated by everyone in this world being a true follower is the hardest thing and I admit I’m not perfect at all I sin all the time I’m not even close Christians get shit on they always have a true follower will be hated following god is hard and you will definitely be hated for it I know that as the Bible says garbage of the earth
@caleb honey I’m not a true follower yet or a missionary yet so idk how I could convince you when I haven’t helped others and I mean I want you to go to heaven man and I’m easily manipulated by the world too everyone is it’s so easy being worldly it feels good and all social media I see hates on Christianity if I talk about it to my friends I’m weird my friend lost friends by just explaining it to them and his experience he had in Egypt as a missionary he wasn’t shoving it down their throats either just explaining his experience and when they were hanging they thought he was weird for not smoking or drinking so idk it’s different in certain areas ig
😂 y’all are funny saying the Bible justifies slavery and lmao goes against the 10 commandments like bro we’re talking about the Bible not some 1500s white guys how to do life book
@Lonnie Boyd His argument where the Bible justifys slavery is incorrect. Bible protected slaves. Slavery was way different back then, lemme explain. Back then people became slaves of there own free will because they would be provided shelter a place to stay, food etc, so people became slaves of there own free will, the Bible never once said go make someone a slave against there will. The Bible protected slaves from death and things like that. You can’t take the Bible out of context. So the Bible never justified bad slavery, it justified good slavery and I’ll explain one more time, people became slaves of there own free will back then yes some people forced people as slaves but they were disobeying God because God never said go make someone ur slave without there consent. So the Bible encouraged good slavery where the slaves were protected not encourage bad slavery where the slaves could be killed. I’ll say it one more time, people signed a contract of there own free will to become a slave And in return they would recive shelter food etc. God protected slaves from death and things like that with his rules on slavery.
The Bible teaches that the only condition to be saved is belief in Jesus Christ. It is not of yourself. It's nothing you do. Being a Christian is not about turning over a new leaf or "not sinning" Everyone on earth is human, Christian or otherwise, and we will never be perfect. Of course the Bible teaches that we SHOULDN'T sin, but that is not how you get saved. Salvation is a free gift that you accept once. The Bible compares it to drinking a glass of water. It is a gift from God that was paid for by Jesus's blood that was shed on the cross for all of us. All you have to do is put your whole faith and trust on Jesus Christ as your savior!
@Yoshifire8 OK...lets see how truthful you are....when Israel left Egypt and was terrorising the other established civilisations plundering and committing genocide claiming there 'so called promised land' they never gathered slaves? Lets see how honest you are.. Did any of their future kings have any slaves from their conquered lands?
Anyone who says the Bible Justifies slavery has no proof of such a thing. God created everyone equal, EVERYONE, no matter who you are, what you've done, God loves you, so much he died for you so you could live in PARADISE for eternity. All you have to do is ask for forgiveness and ask for Jesus to be your savior. Yes, Slavery is mentioned in the Bible, but, no where does God say it's right.
@Wyatt Harp exodus 21:20 I mean if that isnt straight up a justification of slavery then idk what is not only is it mentioned that that the slave is the owners property (I know that back in the day it was indentured servitude still doesnt justify anything) but also that its okay to beat your slave here you go there is the justification
@kafkesque The entirety of Exodus 21 are Gods "Laws about Slaves". This chapter is designated to a certain people that existed a long time ago, not to mention you just said yourself that this is indentured servitude, which is different than slavery. God set these rules because he cared about these people and did not want slave owners to mistreat their slaves. The slavery that took place in America was different because the mindset was, that because one had darker skin, they were inferior, therefore they were to be segregated and made into slaves, which is absolutely wrong. Again God says all men are created equal which clearly states he is against what we define today as slavery.
Polo Jack Dude...King Solomon had an entire slave camp building all his palaces and cities! Gosh people are serious here? And thats just one king... all the others had slaves... it was nothing out of the ordinary at all...1 Kings 9:15-17.
@Lonnie Boyd Ephesians 6:5 is the only verse that is remotely close to justifying slavery,and that wasn’t even the point of the verse people misunderstood it
@Wyatt Harp ''God set these rules because he cared about these people and did not want slave owners to mistreat their slaves'' You cant be serious did you even read exodus 21:20 '' Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property'' this is literally undefendable you cant say to me that because it is indentured servitude this is moral or permissible like come on
@kafkesque Remember I said "these laws are for a certain people that existed a long time ago." Back then having slaves was normal, since it was normal, there had to be rules. Wikipedia:
"Indentured servitude is a form of labor in which a person (an indenture) agrees to work without salary for a specific number of years through a contract for eventual compensation or debt repayment." These "Slaves agreed to work for something, not nothing." If they disobey their keeper, they have to be punished. That was just the way things were, but their keeper could not beat them to death. That is all that verse states. No where in the Bible does God state that slavery, (not the same as indentured servitude), is right. God set laws out for a certain people to have a stable economy that consisted of indentured servitude or "slavery" as they called it back then. When people talk about slavery today, they are referring to nonconsensual work for nothing.
@Wyatt Harp Dude... those slaves were captured peoples... have you read Exodus? When Israel captured those nations... your options were slavery or death... EVERYONE..women,children,men.... those Israelites were committing genocide on the regular. If your option was slavery or death.. you think that is a choice? Don't even come at me saying they never committed genocide. just stop
@Lonnie Boyd Yes, Israel conquered different lands, I never disagreed with that. All I am saying is that those things happened a very long time ago where things were very different. I am saying someone cannot use that as an example for "the Bible justifying slavery" because it is a different concept today. Israel did a lot of things that made God angry. In fact, most of the things Israel did made God mad because they were acting foolish. The first few books of the old testament, (after Genesis), talk about these scenarios.
@Wyatt Harp first of all god is an omniscient being that is the source of the objective truth and consequentialy the objective morality, so time doesnt matter because back then having people as property in exchange for things like debt was normal that doesnt excuse god not condemning indentured servitude. Not only did god not condenm it but he set rules that are so obscure like this ''Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property'' that rule is definetely immoral and unjustifiable and excuses a behaviour that shouldnt be excused
@kafkesque First of all, time does matter, because people and their beliefs obviously change over time, and people don't always do what God wants. The Ten Commandments would be an example of "objective morality" because it has lasted forever, that is why a 2 year old knows it's wrong to steal a cookie from the cookie jar, because "morality" is part of the conscience. People's beliefs are based on morality, but are also based on opinions. Exodus 21:16 states: "“Whoever steals a man and sells him, and anyone found in possession of him, shall be put to death." I already explained Exodus 21:20.
@kafkesque Galations 5:1 - "For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore, and do not submit again to a yoke of slavery." Here is the modern take.
@kafkesque Also: Luke 4:18: “The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he has anointed me to proclaim good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim liberty to the captives and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty those who are oppressed."
@Wyatt Harp In which universe does a Jew think he's equal to everyone else? Tell me one Jew who thinks he's equal to other nationalities... Aren't they the CHOSEN people? dude be honest. Jews... gentiles etc... equality is not a concept the bible preaches.
@Lonnie Boyd I know nothing of the way Jews act or see themselves, because, I am not one. Being the "Chosen people" does not mean they are better than everyone else, I am not sure what it means, but if I had to guess, I would say they have some role in the End Times. If someone sees themself as better than someone else, they are in the wrong. The Bible absolutely teaches equality. James 2: 8-9, "If you really keep the royal law found in Scripture, “Love your neighbor as yourself,” you are doing right. 9 But if you show favoritism, you sin and are convicted by the law as lawbreakers.", Leviticus 19: 33-34: “ ‘When a foreigner resides among you in your land, do not mistreat them. The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.
@Wyatt Harp I'm talking about the Jews in the bible times... you know... the Pharisees and Saducees? not modern times... this discussion is about books in the bible and the culture condoning slavery and the principles of slavery. Yes the Jews didn't like being slaves but they sure as hell didn't mind enslaving gentiles and killing them.
@Lonnie Boyd The Pharisees and Saducees were constantly in the wrong because they kept misinterpreting what Jesus said and taking the things he said too literal. When Jesus was teaching on Earth, he had a lot of problems with the Pharisees and tried to let them know of the foolish things they were doing!
Ok some of you are very confused. The Bible does indeed state that it is ok to have slaves, but you must release them after a certain time ( not sure the exact time) or when they clear their debts. Slavery in the Bible was never racially motivated or cruel as it was just recently. Slavery in the Bible referred to people who had a debt to you so they would offer part of their lives in service. The Bible also clearly states that slaves were to be treaded as humans and even loved as equals. Slavery in the Bible was more like servitude unlike how America made slavery a cruel, unsanctioned, perverse tool for oppressing a race and people. And for those that say that slavery based on decent is found in the Bible, they are right, but God didn’t like that kind of slavery and would try to liberate them or set conditions for it to become more civilized such as freeing them after a while.
Exodus 21:20 20 “Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, 21 but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property.”
@That guy It doesn't really matter if "Jesus said it" in the Bible or not. All of the Bible is God's word so it is all correct (except of course in cases where it is a human person speaking). Also, Jesus says in Luke 19:10 that he came to seek and save the lost.
@Lonnie Boyd My comment is not about slavery being right or wrong. It's just about being saved. In my eyes, whatever God does is right no matter what we think of it. He is perfect and I am imperfect. Either way, the Bible clearly teaches a different form of slavery than what we commonly think of. There are several verses in the Bible teaching people to treat their bondservants equally and fairly. Also, the Bible does not say that masters "own" their servants or that they are sub-human. This was a different time and we don't know the exact dynamic of these relationships. It's not well-documented. All I know is that the Bible is true and I believe it. That's all. As a Christian, I hold that the new testament supersedes the old testament anyway, and the new covenant teaches liberty and freedom.
That guy2021-08-19 09:30:41 (edited 2021-08-19 09:32:18 )
@Yoshifire8 it does matter if Jesus said it or not. I asked a specific question therefore I want a specific answer. Why would I care if mark or any of the Bible writers calls Jesus God? It doesn’t make him God just because someone calls him God. If he truly was God then he himself would substantiate that through his actions and words. Moreover you can claim all of the Bible is God’s words yet you didn’t prove it. Also what does that last verse prove? He was a prophet so that was his duty. All the prophets had a similar task. Doesn’t prove he’s God. Plus my point was very specific as to why I wanted Jesus himself to say such a thing. The person claimed salvation is only through Christ. If this really was the case then why didn’t Jesus himself say it? He clearly states that salvation is with the father
@That guy You can't really "prove" Jesus is God. That's why its called having faith. However, your statements are flawed because Jesus says that "no man cometh to the Father but by me". I believe in the trinity, God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit. They are all God but in three separate beings with different roles. Jesus is God. Jesus is our path to salvation. John 3:17 says that the world is saved through Jesus. If you believe every word of the Bible and believe it is divinely inspired this seems perfectly clear to me. Also, you said Jesus would substantiate that He is God through his actions and words, however this would be counter-intuitive to Jesus's entire existence. He was God in the flesh, living among us as a human. He was tempted by sin just like us. And anyway, Jesus ascends up to Heaven after he is resurrected and it says He is seated at the right hand of God. That sounds clear to me. I think we are differing in views on the trinity here I guess.
@Yoshifire8 The mental gymnastics that's you're doing is... that you are not acknowledging that it was illegal to own Jewish slaves during those days... the slaves were all people from captured nations... their options were death or slavery... how is that any different from slavery in America? If all men were considered equal then Jew could purchase Jewish slaves . The slaves of that time had none of the citizen's rights and privileges either... I'd even say the modern slave owners treated slaves even better.
@Yoshifire8 how can you claim that you can’t prove that Jesus is God? That should be easy considering the fact that people like you reiterate that he is God constantly. That verse you brought up doesn’t prove your point. Who is the final destination in that verse? The father. Not Jesus. To get through the father you must go through Jesus which isn’t a problem because at that time Jesus was the prophet for his people so of course he would be the bridge of sorts to get to the father. But at the end of the day the final destination is the father and not Jesus. Again why are you quoting John to prove Jesus’s divinity? Who is John? What are his credentials? Why is he a reliable source of information that we should trust? Did God affirm John? These are questions you must answer or else your just quoting another guy. I’m not sure if your aware or not but I’m not a Christian. I don’t believe in the complete reliability of the Bible nor do I take it as the complete word of God. We aren’t differing on views of the trinity because I don’t believe in it to begin with. Also can you show me when Jesus says he sits at the right hand of God? Also Your justification as to why Jesus doesn’t prove that he’s God isn’t making sense. I simply said to prove that he is God through his actions or words. All you would have to do is quite a simple and clear verse where this is the case. Not that complicated.
@That guy The entire way you are approaching the Bible is incorrect because you do not have the Holy Spirit. Simple as that. You are looking for direct statements from specific people and using that as proof for your case. That is not how I read the Bible, nor how you are supposed to read the Bible. You are taking an overly literal and scholarly view on a religious, spiritual book because you don't believe in it, so of course our views are going to differ. Personally, I enjoyed this little back and forth, but I don't think It is going to go anywhere else at this time. Hope you have a wonderful day, Lonnie.
@Yoshifire8 of course when all else fails the Christians claim that the person doesn’t have the Holy Spirit. Quite typical. Who’s to say that you have it as well? Anyways you believe in what you believe and I will believe in what I believe. Peace
@That guy You understand what I'm saying? The bible does NOT preach equality for all men hence the reason why the Europeans had no problems enslaving the Africans... why? because they were heathens and the laws do not apply equally...the same way the Israelites were free to enslave the so called gentiles. We need to be honest about the Bible's role in the widespread acceptance of slavery. Because I'll tell you this... if those Africans were bible believing Christians ... they would NOT be able to justify their enslavement and they would NOT be taken into slavery. Its literally the ONLY reason.. not the skin color... not the physical strength...not the geographical location... Only because they believed that they worshiped the Devil... Thats the final truth of the matter. The godfather of Racism is religious ideological disdain (religious supremacy)... the core belief that... these people are going to hell... God is coming down to wipe these people out and cleanse the earth and make it pure again. It just so happens that feeling got transferred onto black people for obvious reasons...
Even look at modern times... the so called war on terror.. and this is from both sides... the Muslims and the Christians... You think if it was Christians who bombed that Trade Center... the repercussions would have been anywhere as destructive without any major protest in America? Literally all prejudice and oppression and international conflicts has a religious foundation... Look through history at all the wars.. every one of them. Religious extremism divides and empowers the individual to murder without guilt... and that is facts... A religious individual waiting patiently for the coming of Christ is yearning for the extermination of literally billions of people off the face of the planet in a genocide of epic proportions... the earth would be flooded with the blood of the unbelievers... think what type of person would rejoice in a tragedy like that!... So how hard is it for them to invade Iraq and flatten that country deaths in the millions... invade Afghanistan... deaths in the millions... They're doing the Lord's work! Same goes for the Al Quaeda terrorist...
Massive respect for showing off ur faith at the end bro!!! Good job bro, I'm sure there are a couple people who perhaps looked up what a Passover was after this video.
Listen, i feel like i get what vegans want. Like torturing animals is wrong and honestly there are b**ch ass people who torture before butchering em up, but I’m a meat eater. Like I love animals and wish no harm into them, but it’s nature, again i respect vegans
As a Christian as well as JiDion, I stand to believe that in the Bible it was never mislead in the transcribed words form thousands of years ago saying that God has created the animals on earth for us to have authority over them. Doesn’t mean we have to kill them all but we eventually figured out what is good and what isn’t. In some places there are different foods such as ones not all Americans would enjoy or all of one area or religion would enjoy.
@That Guy EFRAIN Islam is not sexist, some contries are. Its like saying All Christian preachers are rapists. We follow the Quaran dont get your info from CNN and Fox.
If we stop killing animals they will over populate and then they will die even more cause of the diseases and stuff we would also get those diseases and it could make the human species go extinct
this man is like "fuckin pigs are beheaded and shot"
what the fuck bro thats so wrong. they are most likely lined up in a small farm factory, then instantly beheaded, no pain. and plus, who would just fuckin shoot a pig. its stupid and wouldnt really do anything as we dont use that meat anyways.
lmao dude
btw that was an assumption so if im wrong dont hate
What’s wrong with this man… some people do go vegan for health….. it’s not always necessarily about thinking they aren’t killing animals and even if you don’t eat meat that doesn’t really save animals or at least it doesn’t mean that you’re not killing another animal but I also know some people do believe that animals shouldn’t be killed and that’s why they’re vegan but not everyone changes their diet to vegan or is vegan for the same reason
This is why Halal meat exist. To make Halal meat it’s pretty much slaughtering an animal with one slice to the throat with a sharp blade. Making the animal feel no pain due to instant death. Making airflow, helping all the blood in the body to flow out. Meat with blood filtered out already has a longer time span staying top quality 👌🏼 When will humankind stop making its own theories and beliefs. We are puny, God has shown us this by putting us in a massive universe, have a little study on the book that’s never been changed that’s filled with a lot of sense back thousands of years ago and today. Btw it’s also known as the Quran. (Changed my whole life, why cant it change yours)
Its not like that but what i meant was im not gonna go around a make people be vegetarian. Ofc just killing random animals is messed up but some people just don’t know what happens in the slaughterhouse.
@•Cherri• Exactly. But you shouldn't refrain from having a conversation and letting people know that animals are tortured and murdered in slaughterhouses. And since it's not necessary to consume animal products to survive subjecting animals to such a torment is cruel.
Also, I appreciate that you're vegetarian for ethical reasons. I'm vegan for the same reason. You should look into how cruel eggs and dairy are. Watch this short documentary called "Milk - Make Up Your Mind" and this critically acclaimed one called "Dominion".
@That Guy EFRAIN that's old Herbew law though. A lot of people mixup what God's word is and what the law back then was. It's like how it's nearly against the law to not wear a mask now. Take this for example and then assume that the Bible is written current and includes such a law. A lot of people thousands of years into the future will say that it's a law in the Bible, but that does not directly mean it is of God. Also the Bible mentions that many animals shouldn't be eaten (yes including pig) because it is unclean, but you also have to remember that things in the Old Testament were for those times. When Jesus came, a lot of things changed and God established a new covenant. I urge you to read deeper. ❤🙏
@IAmTheHopefulRomantic so basically what ur saying is at the time god said to do it cause their was good reason too, but he changed it because nowadays it wouldn't make sense to have that law
@That Guy EFRAIN I'm saying that what you mentioned is Herbrew law, that's why it's found in that era and in other religious texts of that nation/time period.
@That Guy EFRAIN Also not how it works because the Old Testament and New Testament weren't written in the same day. The Bible was written over many years and at completely different times for each Testament. Not To say it contradicts itself per se, but what is in the Old Testament no longer applies to Humans because that was part of the covenant BEFORE God sent Jesus to die for us and save us all.
The idea that the Bible promotes slavery is false. Also, Vegan dude's arguments against Christianity were arbitrary. Furthermore, if you don't believe in God, then you shouldn't care about animals dying, because there is absolutely no point to anything. We're all just here for no reason, random act of creation from the big bang, and we all die. Hitler is just dead, and will never face justice. Anyone who commits rape is just acting on what he/she thinks is good, so we can't impose our own beliefs on them. And we shouldn't care about what happens to another human being because at the end of the day, there is no point to anything. No hope. Unless God exists.
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Henry Kruse2021-08-18 02:18:05 (edited 2021-08-18 02:18:15 )
I eat twice the amount of meat as a normal person so that an annoying ass vegan has less of an effect
Bro this debate lmao... Okay so if you wanna get into morality or scientific right? There's this thing called the food chain... Pretty down low is the plants, then the herbivores, then the things that eat the herbivores and the thing that eats that and so on and so on... Basically based on biology its actually natural to eat meat if your body allows it to be decomposed for nutrients... Sure the animals dont wanna be eaten by us I dont wanna be eaten by a lion... But i accept that its a natural part of this world, it happens. If you accept veganism, good for you, thats your choice, your cause. I want to eat meat, sorry, that goes against your cause, but its my choice to make. Lastly, its just super unrealistic to expect ppl as a whole to give up meat and to go into veganism, it cant and shouldnt be forced on ppl. You can speech your teachings publicly, because free speech, but like Jidion said "focus on the ppl you can get" because at a point it's become harassment when you putting/forcing your beliefs on someone over something natural and socially acceptable.
christian belief i think is the best way to hold God in your heart. You can read from the quaran and other books and find that they actually came from the christian bible. I feel they added some stuff here and there to make it differnt but actually the quaran came from the devil. disguising himself as gabriel the angel and gave it to the man called Muhammad a so called prophet
People who don't eat animals cuz they think it's wrong... they're domesticated animals bred to be eaten doesn't really effect the planet. Y'all make just as much garbage as everyone else and some seal is currently choking on that shit
Do vegans think that lions (and other predators) are murderers when they kill other animals? And when they do, do they think they should get jail time (zoo time)? Because they obviously wouldn't give them the death penalty.
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That Guy EFRAIN2021-08-18 02:59:00 (edited 2021-08-18 02:59:23 )
by definition yes they are, but you can't punish them since its the only way for them to get food. Humans can decide not to eat meat and still live a fruitful life. Veganism still sucks tho lmao
I thought the same thing. The U.S. has more than 3,000 deer breeding facilities. Humans force overpopulation to justify hunting for ‘population control’. It’s bs propaganda. Here are other arguments against veganism: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=byTxzzztRBU
If I stopped eating animals then my food would eat their food and then they would have to become meat eaters as well or starve. If all the animals that were in the slaughterhouses were just released, they would probably die. They dont know how to live on their own. Animals and plants alike were put on this planet by God so as to be sustainance for other species.
I’m gonna tell you (vegan people) you ain’t gonna change a black person to a vegan because they like their damn chicken you might be able to change some white peoples minds but personally I’m white and you gosh I ain’t gonna change my mind. God bless
Everyone can just eat plants and live a great life. Animals don't really have a choice.
You should feel bad.
I hope that you realize that you are being a hypocrit in the life you are living. Would you kill a happy innocent stray dog for a meal instead of eating a vegan burger?
Why kill animals when they don't need to die. They suffer a lot because we see them as products and not as living creatures. It's not okay man. Stop normalizing it. They are in a lot of pain because we push them into factories made to optimize production. It's horrific. I feel terrible for these animals in these conditions.
actually a slaughter house is needed to be a thing hunting and all cuz if we don't with deforestation there will be a high animal over papulation causing animals to over run cities and suburbs animals will die from lack of food and more
It’s wrong for us to slash open plants and eat them, can’t be in a vegetable store it’s just full of death. They have feelings too. Don’t eat plants. Just drink air and live a long life
Plants don't have brains or central nervous systems, so they cannot feel pain. Even if they could, you are presumably eating both animals and plants - so if there is a "villain" here surely that would be you? And did you know that something like 80% of the worlds crops are actually fed to livestock animals rather than eaten by humans? So overall vegans actually contribute to fewer plant "deaths".
the vegan has some good points, but at the end of the day its survival of the fittest, many of our food is reliant on meat and stuff like that to survive, and alot of people won't stop eating meat. Animals are meant to be eaten.
What’s this Guys obsession with “shot in the head” like yea it sucks but animals have been dying for so long it’s never gonna stop. And they respect any other religion but Christians.
Mmmmm meat, you know that humans were literally meant to eat meat. Animals eat other animals, humans eat other animals.like is it really that bad. One cow can make 20 burgers
Plants are a living creature as well so if ur gunna get somebody for eating another living creature. Think about ur slaughtering them by ripping them out of the ground and waiting for another from that so u can more of it. If your gunna say I eat the entire plant ur lying u don’t everything connected to it. It’s the same exact thing with meat. Not saying we don’t vegetables.
Did you know that you can go to heaven for free? This one decision can change your eternity forever. Jesus died for both mine and your sins. All you have to to is confess that you’re a sinner and accept Jesus as your savior. 👍🏽
Imagine killing a animal and eating it... I remember when I had a nice tender juicy fat stake 🤤 and chicken 🤤 and lamb 🤤 and a nice fat tender burger that I'm not eating right now 🤤🤤🤤
Ok are you going to fault lions and other predatory animals for eating other animals. It’s the same thing that we do, but we are actually more humane about it.
Yeah but not in the same way animals are they don’t experience pain or think or have a consciousness they just perform the functions necessary for them to survive
Its good u trying to talk some sense into this man ...and u held yr ground ....we can all have our own beliefs but don't make other ppls lives uncomfortable cuz u don't agree.... which is actually what u did with those vegans 🤣 but fuk em they crazy ....lol ...I use to be vegan and I tell u what ...it ain't it ....now I 100% believe in the Bible.... grateful for each day alive and for whatever daily bread my father in heaven blesses me with 🙏🌭🍕🍔🍟🥨🥞🍄🥕🥝🥭🍉
44 “‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them, you may buy slaves. 45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. 46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.
From a Christian perspective god gave us domain over all animals we can eat them if we want, animals have no souls or self awareness and we kill them humanely so there’s no problem it’s not evil 🤷♂️
To be honest.. Us humans must kill to survive. We are superior to these pigs. And cow. And that vegan right there is an animal he is chicken. We must end him IMMEDIATELY
Watched this while eating chicken but Fr tho what would happen if we let every animal live the ozone layer would be fucked up and a bunch more animals would be running around
eyyy, didnt want comment about this but in a sluter house they kill cows with a metel stick like thin that goes through there neck, its also the most harmless way for a cow to be killed. anyway vid a banger
Bro jidion I love you but please make the videos longer. I’ve watched all your videos and I can’t stand watching a 10 minute video then waiting a week for another
Saving animal go as far as not eating meat 🥩 people think that if yo I don’t eat meat your saving animal 🦓 tbh I don’t even think we actually eat real meat I think this stuff is clone man made meat 🥩
I get what he means but at the same time either a wolfs gonna eat a pig, sheep, or cow or we will. Every animal has a predator it’s not like us cutting meat out of our diets means animals aren’t still being killed and eaten by other animals.
I'm not vegan but I get the argument the vegan guy was making. He is right about standing up for animals. The only reason I am not vegan is because of inconvenience. It just goes to show you, standing up for your morals is pretty hard.
I mean I understand what the vegan dude is trying to say about the animal cruelty to an extent but like bro, nothing wrong with eating meat, there are slaughterhouses that throw chickens, pigs, cows, ext... around alive and raise those animals in bad disease infested conditions which is horrible but obv there are better options like free range grass fed raised animals and stuff. I mean if these animals were to live in the wild they'd get eaten by predators, you can't stop death.
I don't think he realizes that if you don't buy the store meat the animals won't magically come back to life and if we release the goats, pigs, and chickens back into the wild they would be slaughtered because they are domesticated.
Land animals? They aint tanks there aint no ariel animals tf? Also they get pampered than killed otherwise i wouldnt have this extra thick juicy beef steak on my plate
@JRE Zone bro i used to live near farms and just have a look at a brazillian ranch in amazonas they have like a mansion size of space,i dont think they are unhappy at all but if your talking about the USA then its only the non free range ones just buy the grass fed ones because they didnt suffer and most likely the ones in factory farms the most complex thoughts they would have that woild get them pissed is "where tf is my damn food" or "bro these mfs are taken ages to transfer me" honestly they arent very complex stop over complicating life just eat steak its harming literally noone
Ngl u used hella fallacies but there’s no proctor and some of them would be relevant if it wasn’t only a vegan debate. Im gonna stay a carnivore tho, good shit
44 “‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. 45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. 46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.
4:08 really dude I’ve gutted, cutted, quartered a deer, a lot and same goes too a lot of people out there too. It has basically zero effect on your mental health unless you make it an issue.
not all meat sold are killed that bad and also kosher meats have laws on how they have to be killed, and these vegans think a few cases represent all of it
Ik imma get alot of hate for saying this so hate all you want. But how is it killing an animal just cause it's not human morally wrong, but abortion, which is killing a human before it's born, morally acceptable?
I feel like if you were in any argument with a vegan you can simple justify eating meat by discussing the food chain and the fact that we ourselves are animals and are biologically built to consume both meat and plants. Eating vegan food as a supplement to those natural things we need in our diet is simply unhealthy. What concerns me is that people such as this are vegan for the wrong reason. If you really cared about animals are you going to stop a fox from eating a chicken or a lion from eating a gazelle. No. It’s a natural process on earth which is necessary to keep a balance.
Wait this is a theory, Vegans say they love animals and they r trying to expand their vegan army. Have they ever thought they r hurting the animals more than us, they eat all of the animal's food so eventually the cow will starve. So lokey if u were an animal would u rather slowly die from starvation or quickly die from gun.
Bruh acting like he got a specific animal taken out then proceeded to take that specific animal and use its corpse for a YouTube video. Like bruh, all the n did was go to a store and buy some meat that would’ve gotten eat eventually.
Also, to destroy his whole argument you could’ve just said “animals eat other animals, so are you going to punish those animals?”
I don't think the dude realizes that God GAVE humans animals for clothing and food. 99% of slaughter houses kill these animals in the most humane ways possible. Shooting them in the head is the quickest death or one of them.
This guy doesn’t understand this is peoples lifestyle and no they do not slit throats we inject them and it doesn’t even hurt them it’s literally me and my family’s life style to raise cows man I hate people like that
Yeah. I would’ve love for him to ask something like a wolf is dying of hunger and it has to kill something to live. Would you want it to die or it to kill something else like a mouse
@FaZe LandFill right 💀 animals be eating a WHOLE BABY if they hungry not even starving would like to hear his response to why they forget about the natural food chain that leads to animals being eaten anyway 😭😭
What people like him don’t understand is that’s kinda like tryna end religion… u can’t even if u stop eating meat someone else is going to eat it, yes u can get more people to stop eating but it never changes the fact that the animal is going to die regardless for sum one else🤷🏾♂️
After all, humans are still animals basically, and animals eat other animals. If he says that, then why doesn't he say that to an predator like an lion, tiger, killer whale, or something?
lmao they think just because they're vegan fewer animals will be killed. the amount of people who consume meat greatly outnumbers the people who don't, therefore the animals will still be killed regardless.
That guy said “The Bible justifies slavery” when in actuality, slave traders just twisted words in the Bible as a shitty excuse to try and justify it. The Bible itself does not justify slavery
Yup . The Bible talked about indentured servants serving their masters to work. Many people believe that the type of slavery in the Bible is based off racism just like what the United States had a century ago, but it’s not
@Karma while there are some points and rituals invalidated by time such as the sacrifice of the lamb, there’s still many things we have to keep for moral reasons and also out of respect for God
Yea all of y’all tripping the Bible 100% not only justifies slavery but gives instructions for it. Read exodus 21 and Leviticus 25 I think. It refers to people as property that can be owned forever and passed on through generations. Exodus 21 tells you where to buy your slaves and how to trick them into becoming your slaves forever. Even gives you some fun beating your slave instructions. Sorry for the long response but I had to set that straight. Look at the verses if you don’t believe me.
@Peter Sprenger the only “slavery” condoned in the Bible is debt slavery where a person offers their labor to be able to pay off debts and that is what you are referring too not slavery based off race or class
@Peter Sprenger setting rules on something ≠ supporting it. Slavery came as a result of the free will God gave us and there’s not much he can do about that without taking away our free will. The slavery the Bible is talking about in the chapters u mentioned talks about instances where one sells themselves due to poverty, much different from the slavery many people are thinking about. On top of that, the Year of Jubiliee was essentially a reset where servants were set free and land was returned to its original owners. As for tricking people into being your slaves forever, which verses are you referring to?
@Devin Harmon no I’m sorry you’ve been lied to unfortunately. Please go read the verses I mentioned. Slaves are treated as property and passes on to the next generation unless the slaves are Jewish. The instructions in Exodus 21 tell you how to get your Jewish slave to marry another slave and have kids, then you own them forever. It’s sad that you won’t be honest about what your book says but unfortunately for you that’s exactly what it says.
@Hoedduk 2 If thou buy an Hebrew servant, six years he shall serve: and in the seventh he shall go out free for nothing.
3 If he came in by himself, he shall go out by himself: if he were married, then his wife shall go out with him.
4 If his master have given him a wife, and she have born him sons or daughters; the wife and her children shall be her master's, and he shall go out by himself.
5 And if the servant shall plainly say, I love my master, my wife, and my children; I will not go out free:
6 Then his master shall bring him unto the judges; he shall also bring him to the door, or unto the door post; and his master shall bore his ear through with an aul; and he shall serve him for ever.
7 And if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant, she shall not go out as the menservants do.
@Hoedduk it’s not setting rules it’s giving instructions on how to do it. I just pasted exodus 21, you can look up Leviticus 25 where it says slaves are property which are to be owned forever. It’s disappointing to see you guys tap dance around this because you think your book is perfect. Does spiking somebody’s ear and marking, then owning them forever sound like indentured servitude.
@Hoedduk Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. 45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. 46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.
@Peter Sprenger ah I c. I wouldn’t necessarily call it a trick to enslaving someone forever tho. Tbh I can’t rly justify this rule I’ll ask my dad about it sometime 🗿
@Hoedduk I appreciate you being open minded about it. If you think the Bible is gods word, then ask yourself why would a rule such as this be in there.
@Karma the only thing I believe in the bible is the sediment of peace. I dont wanna go to church every Sunday. And I dont wanna have to wait to get some 🐱 until marriage.
@Peter Sprenger tbh the bible is a book filled with context. Nobody in this thread has matched context to those verses so your conclusion may not be valid
@Peter Sprenger hey i did my research, it did not say anything about tricking anyone, its actually quite an innocent way of life, having slaves didnt mean you had to whip them or treat them poorly, it just meant that you had someone working for you under a contract of time, thats what made the word "slave" HERE you read it for yourself
@Francesco Lia what do you mean to you? Who says the NT is valid for all times. Why should we care about your opinion? I can bring a person from any religion that can say the same thing about their holy scriptures so your point is null. Objectively prove the NT is valid for all times or just valid in general
@First Last I hope you realize that a slave doesn’t have to be called a slave to actually be one. In numbers 31:17-18 there is clear slavery of the little girls and it’s not by consent
@That guy …the Bible is a history book of what happened in the past their was sin in the past, God did not make that stuff
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That guy2021-08-18 11:27:23 (edited 2021-08-18 11:34:44 )
@First Last that’s not really addressing the point. You claimed that slavery was when you worked under contract for someone and I brought you a example of when that wasn’t the case yet was still slavery and now your backtracking and changing the goal post. Is it your original claim or now what your trying to say?
@That guy dude, chill, i was just telling what i think. People use too much old testament quotes, while imo counts only what Jesus says. While the Quran as an example is all "the word of god" in the bible god himself never says anything controversial.
@Verified Yessir did you not see the Leviticus 25 verse I posted. It says very specifically to buy your SLAVES from the heathens around you, that SLAVES are to be treated as property and to be owned forever. It’s really disheartening to see you guys tap dance around this subject to defend your immoral book.
@Verified Yessir Wow, what religion does to peoples minds is truly amazing. Women’s rights in the Bible, you have to be kidding. I’m starting to think you haven’t actually read the book that you’re defending. Do some research on the verses saying daughters can be sold to other families and how you can have harems of woman. I’m not trying to be an asshole or anything but it’s just sad at this point. Your god approves of genocide, rape, murder, etc all in your holy book.
@Verified Yessir When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she shall not go out as the male slaves do.
The women should keep silent in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but should be in submission, as the Law also says. If there is anything they desire to learn, let them ask their husbands at home. For it is shameful for a woman to speak in church.
@Verified Yessir Ok good to know, your not really a Christian you just pick and choose the rules that you like and throw away the other ones that we recognize are terrible today. It’s called cookie cutter Christianity.
@Peter Sprenger women were not equal in early Biblical times because they were cursed because eve tricked adam into eating the forbidden fruit.. this is why its important to read the whole thing
@i am peek what context is it okay to own another human being as property. I though this was supposed to be gods word, why are atrocious things being given instructions to do.
@Verified Yessir you are picking and choosing rules tho, I assume you don’t stone your kids to death if they’re unruly, and I also assume you don’t kill your neighbor if you see them working on Sunday. Your church only preaches the passages that are acceptable to today’s standard.
@Peter Sprenger again read the whole thing, back in these times it was a contractual agreement for poor people to either work in order to pay off debt, provided food, water or shelter etc. point is, the work is never against their will and is compensated fairly.. the slavery youre talking about is what the egyptians were doing in exodus, which is why god fought so hard to free his people.
@i am peek so spiking someone’s ear to mark them as your property and being able to beat them as long as they don’t die wasn’t against someone’s will. It’s hard to have a conversation about this when you dodge what your book actually says and just repeat, “it’s all about context”. I’ll ask again, would you be my slave under the rules in exodus and Leviticus.
@Peter Sprenger are ear piercings an act of violence now? Lol also it literally says that if you beat someone and they dont die you must pay for the time they lost from work and all of their medical bills.
Are you able to comprehend something better when you read something in its entirety or when you nit pick verses with little to no context?
@That guy well my knowledge isn't that great, but from what I know the Israelites took over a city and there was a plague. The people of the city were worshipping Baal which (cutting yourself and orgies) so that would be an assumption as to how the plague would have came. So Moses ordered them to kill the men and non virgins and then after that he gave them a cleansing process to cleanse them of the plague. Keep in mind that these were not God's instructions they were Moses instructions. There's a reason Jesus had to come to save humans from the punishment of sin 😂
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That guy2021-08-19 13:46:09 (edited 2021-08-19 13:46:52 )
@CHR1SPY so what’s the point of taking the little girls for yourself? You keeping bringing up the context as if it justifies or explains what happens. Little girls were taken as sex slaves because of a plague is what your trying to tell me? How does that cleanse them of the plague? Makes no sense. Plus there was a. Specific point as to why I brought up the verse. It was to refute the notion that slavery was a contract between the slave and slave owner as people in the comments were claiming. Also even if according to your book God didn’t command it, he neither rebuked it nor condemned Moses for what he did. What do they say in English silence is acceptance or something along those lines
@That guy God did condemn it way before they did it. They weren't supposed to do it in the first place. Nevertheless the girls weren't kept to be sex slaves. They were kept to become Israelites. The non-virgins were killed because they were tempting the men into sinful acts and worshipping idols like how I said before (Baal). Keep them for yourself isn't a sexual innuendo, it's a literal term that he was saying these girls belong to you. I think those girls would become servants to some and then marry when they are the right age. These were the common practices back then. Obviously it's messed up now, but that was how they lived back then. Idk what to tell you if you assumed people of that time period understood gender equality 🤷🏾♂️
@CHR1SPY you made a number of claims I would like you to substantiate. You said God condemned it way before they did it. When? Can you quote me a verse suggesting so? Moreover who told you the girls weren’t kept as sec slaves? Who told you they were to become Israelites? Bring your verses substantiating your claim. They clearly were taken as sex slaves. It’s not rocket science. Moses supposedly said to keep the young ones to yourselves. He said this to his tribes men. What purpose is there to keep young virgin girls to yourselves? Please tell me. Your explanation as to why the non virgins weren’t killed doesn’t make sense. What correlation is there between calling others to worship a false God and whether or not you had sex? There is none. Moreover you didn’t substantiate the claim that that’s even true to begin with. Keep them for yourselves is clearly sexual. What other purpose do VIRGIN girls provide at that time? If it was servitude as your trying to say then both non virgin girls and virgin boys would be taken in as well yet they weren’t. More specifically virgin boys. Why weren’t they taken in to be slaves when slave boys was common at the time? Clearly it was due to the sexual implications of taking virgin girls for themselves.
bro vegan people are madd weird forreal they be sensitive as hell for no reason. like we get it you dont like meat but dont come up to me and say i cant eat it
Really interesting take on objective morality. That vegan dude is saying how his viewpoints are morally right, well if he is morally consistent, why does he eat plants? Field mice and other animals are killed when plowing fields, pesticides kill millions of insects. If he wants to be morally consistent, does he support these practices? The morality argument does not hold, so why is he vegan?
Excuse me? Slavery is not justified in the Bible… Just because there are examples of slavery does not mean that it is CONDONED. Also, there is a difference between a bondservant paying restitution (which is Biblical), versus a slave who is innocent and forcefully worked.
Is it considered animal cruelty when a pack of hyenas tear a gazelle to shreds in the wild? Vegans literally have no basis for their argument other than some fake morality bullshit.
@jiDion look bro I understand both viewpoints but as a muslim I can say U can kill animals to eat yes but the thing is that like higher people who sell meat etc profit out of it and that's why it wouldn't be allowed in our religion either. We're not suposed to be greedy or anything in that way. We're suposed to kill a lam yes. Not for fun or for selling of this animal. Not that I'm vegan my man I love myself some good chicken etc but that's how it works in both the religions
The bible does not justify slavery. Because someone work and serves you food does not make them slaves. Jus like I'm the bible those who work for their living sent slaves. The bible does not justify slavery people work for their living. Plus the master are supposed to treat their servants. Fairly and treat them like humans jus like u treat ur waiter with respect. Don't compare that to slaves again
Vegan community doesn't realize that eating meat is the reason why humans brains have developed to create technology they themselves enjoy in the 21st century. If we lived off plants, we'd still be throwing spears.
I mean if you think about it other animals kill animals every day sure we do it in huge numbers but at the end of the day we just doing what we have to go survive sure we have tons of other food options but we also have foods that are preferable like sharks prefer seals or something like that we just sticking to what we want to eat. Now do this stuff for sport is something else
When are vegans going to realize that hunters are the biggest conservationist's of anyone. Hunters do far more for ecosystems and animals than vegans do.
The killing of an animal is pretty traumatizing. I remember being like 7-8 years and seeing my uncles killing a pig and a goat. That shit had me fucked up but once it was on my plate, I forgot about all that shit. So I can see why people choose to go vegan. But for me, a slaughterhouse video or any type of videos like that aren't going to make me switch. It'll have to be a choice I decide to make myself.
Wait when did he hit 1 million subs?!? Last time I remember he had 850k-900k subs. That’s crazy how fast he hit it. Congrats on 1 million subscribers JiDion, well deserved!!!
Nope I just had shrimp for lunch , it’s just seeing this new side to him not that he’s growing is kinda sad he was wayy different before now it jus seems like he’s willing to do anything for views , just my opinion at the end of the day , no hate still love his work but I mean you can’t tell me he hasn’t changed
That dude better check to see if all his tattoos were done with vegan ink. It would look real bad if he's walking around with animal by products in his body full time.
I’m vegan but who am I to judge a person who eats meat. What people choose to put in there bodies is none of my business. Ofc not humans that’s pretty concerning
1:10 no thats not a good comparison, a good comparison would be the tens maybe even hundreds of videos of vegans not allowing meat eaters to get steak, pork, chicken, and dairy products from the store or butcher shop.
So hypothetically, in a made up alternative reality, what if plants had feelings just like the feelings animals have. Would it still be ok to butcher and chop up plants for their fruits? Would veganism still be the pinnacle of the moral high horse battle there are desperately trying to win? Hypothetically tho
Honestly if u look at pictures of people who went vegan they go from looking normal to looking drained only eating plant based foods isn’t healthy they ain’t getting that protein or the nutrients that non vegan food has
Its just in 2021 as we have grown as a civilization so much, we dont need to kill animals to survive anymore, Im not gonna tell you to go vegan its just that there are so many other foods.
Heres what pisses me off about vegans.. they claim they are for the animals but at the end of the day, barely know shit about them. I know not all vegans are this way but this guy clearly is. "They probably volunteer at animal sanctuaries".. like hell they do. I love animals more than most vegans easy, yet theres no way ill stop eating meat. I know a vegan who preaches the same shit, Yet goes out of her way to step on spiders and has mouse traps inside her house. Veganism is only good if the animals dont bother them directly. If you dont wanna eat meat, Thats on you, But being an asshole to truckers is fucked up. Stay in your facebook groups and quit harrassing people to be vegan, As far as im concerned, yall deserved this. Much love ~ J
So nobody finna address the fact David Ramms comment about whippin schlongs out is inappropriate only in feminist establishments? Idc about vegans or whatever bullshit but why mans gotta randomly throw that dumbshit in there? Someone needa ask how many times he done pulled his willy out in public
I’m not gonna lie being a vegan isn’t wrong but at the same time animals kill and eat each other everyday and we are animals, it’s part of nature and just because we became domesticated doesn’t change the fact that we are still animals we must eat to survive and sometimes other animals are the things we eat
It was better to be a slave back then cuz u had free food and a free place to stay and the kings would always take them to praise the lord they where to be treated the same way, and the the only way they can have tha is to work you got to do sum not just sit there and get stuff for free ,yk wha i mean
Yeah it sucks animals are killed everyday, but it is what it is, and you need meat as protein and other nutrients you cant get from a salad or a bean burger. No matter how hard you try, there will always be meat buyers out there. Just like gasoline powered car buyers.
Why is he so against killing animals. Yall really want pigs cows and chickens running around everywhere for no reason ??? Animals have to kill to survive and im surviving in the best way possible by eating yummy meat and protien. Real alpha shit 😈🐐
See how these unstable vegans put words in ya mouth? That’s basically defamation… you didn’t pay someone to get an animal shot in the head. Most of us know what he means by that but for those that don’t they might really think you took a gun and shot an animal in the head. Crazy emotional vegans dude… smh. They’ll whip up anything to make you seem like a threat to humanity.
What he said about justifying slavery has no context behind it
In both the Old and New Testaments, the words used to denote slaves did not necessarily carry the same connotations that we associate with slavery today. Only by understanding the biblical texts and the cultures that produced them can we understand what is being referred to in the Bible.
The stealing and selling of human beings, such as has been common throughout human history, is a capital offense according to Old Testament law. The return of fugitive slaves to their masters was also illegal.
In almost every instance, the kind of slavery governed by Old Testament law was debt-slavery, where an individual would offer labor in exchange for an outstanding debt that he could not pay. The laws that govern such transactions are given to protect the rights of such slaves, who could only serve for a maximum of six years.
Early Christians had to work out their treatment of one another under Roman law, which they lacked the political influence to change.
The Christian community was a counter-cultural movement in which social distinctions were all but erased. Jesus is the true Lord, and masters and slaves were expected to treat each other as beloved brothers and sisters and equal members of the body of Christ.
All jokes aside it might be offensive to the vegans but most animals are meant to be food and meat is healthy for you and most vegans I see are Karens. Edit : the guy in the video is really calm and nice and they had a good debate from both viewpoints.
People like that dude make no sense at all I get if there mad about the extremely cruel things but I know a lot of people are fine if a lion kills something but it's not fine if we do it's stupid it's literally the same thing
This guy takes Scripture out of Context. He said did you know the bible promotes slavery? It'd called indentured servitude . You work right so basically you are a slave to your Job. The bible says Exodus 21:16 - And he that stealeth a man, and selleth him, or if he be found in his hand, he shall surely be put to death. Leviticus 25:43 - Thou shalt not rule over him with rigour; but shalt fear thy God.
I'm an actual butcher and would love to see you come out to show you that are animals live an amazing life and die a quick and painless death. In Northern California come on out
The vegan does make sense. more then 70 billion farm animals are consumed every year in America. Meat is just tradition ,government(regulations), religion , social media many are raised to believe men eat meat. Honestly it is wrong to once you become more aware, but i can't stop eating meat.
dude exactly. Like i love beef but its so bad for the environment on a larger scale that vegans are lowkey right. But still I'm not about to stop eating meat regularly, i'm selfish like that.
Lol animals are killed humanely in the slaughterhouse but lions have try hunting zebras in the wild and when the zebra runs away, his guts are hanging out of his stomach, vegans gotta calm down
"Shoot their heads and slit their throats" they gone after they shoot their heads, they won't feel their throats being slit after they're dead, it's either being shot in the head or being eaten alive by predators in the wild, it's fucking normal jeez 🤦♂️
Try spread veganism in west Africa you will get laughed at. A lot vegan don’t understand or recognise their privellage to live in a western society where they can have that choice of food option whereas in west African countries you eat whatever you can to survive.
no bro, he should not keep doing it, I watch his videos for entertainment, not to hear about the bible. If I wanted to hear about the bible I would just read it.
Vegans act like we suffer those animals… it’s just life I don’t see nothing wrong with it. If we can’t eat meat go tell that to the other predators that eat other animals to stop 😂
This one’s not that cool Jidion. It makes you look very ignorant and very very immature. You’re only 20 though so I understand.
I can’t even get through the whole video, but what the guy said in his intro is exactly right. They’re harvesting animals from birth to be slaughtered and eaten.
Imagine if in your last prank video: the vegan guy slits your throat, he ties you up, hangs you upside down so your blood drains out of your body, skins you, chops you up into cuts of meat, then sells you to the butcher to be eaten.
@Christian Heath nah u just sound crazy comparing jidion being completely murdered by a random dude to animals being killed to fill our tummys. We aren't gonna stop eating animals just cuz it hurts u. If it hurts u dat much go fix it. Amen
I mean to be fair. I literally do not know a single vegan person who is annoying about the fact that he's vegan. That being said, Ter Marsh has the beat burgers in Amsterdam ‼️
Animals do not have the same value as a person, they were put on this earth for a reason, for man to rule over them, Also the funniest thing is the people that the people against killing animals are the people saying abortion is ok.
Just cuz we don't hold them to the same level as us doesn't mean they need to be treated unethically, also abortion is about the state having no right to intervene with a woman's bodily autonomy, also sorry but if you haven't raised a kid while working a minimum wage job trying to make it by with food stamps I really don't think you should have any say on abortion, and don't say "just put the kid into an adoption center" because that's arguabley worse
@Josh so they can spend most of their lives inside whatever run down adoption center they get thrown in and maybe if they're lucky enough to fit the requirements of what a couple wants they get picked? Sorry but I really don't take the opinions of pro lifers that seriously, cuz the only period where yall care about the kid is the 9months that they're in the womb, after that they can fuck right off
@M C that’s not true, there are some Christians who have lawyers who will fill out all the paperwork and put the kids into family homes without the mother paying a cent, your argument is basically saying that the child should be killed because they will have a hard start in life
That guy that made a video about you straight stupid plants have feeling too so might as well not eat shit and die the video was a banger fuvk people feelings they too sensitive
An argument against vegans is that if there house was infested with mice or bugs they would probably hire an exterminator to kill them. Which destroys their whole argument about slaughtering animals
Vegans lecture us on how animals are killed horribly to get eaten like we don’t know that but I’m pretty sure everyone knows they’re killed ok we’re not fucking idiots and these animals aren’t killed for fun. They’re killed so that we can survive by eating them. We kill them so we can survive
Vegans shouldn’t exist animals must kill for food if cows were in the wild they wouldn’t last a second they are properly taken care of then killed rather than eaten alive by a predator
do vegans not understand that animals also eat other animals... we're literally all animals, and the earth doesn't care about your feelings, its eat or be eaten bro.
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Christian Heath2021-08-17 23:28:56 (edited 2021-08-17 23:29:33 )
We’ve evolved to a point where we don’t HAVE to kill to eat anymore. We realize ethically that it is wrong & we have found food that does not require you to harvest animals from birth.
I’m not a vegan. I literally eat meat everyday & I love meat. But we have to at least be honest with ourselves & admit the truth which is: we don’t want to stop eating meat because we like eating meat.
Don’t make the ethical argument. Cause you’re either not thinking about it hard enough, or you’re lying to yourself.
Just think about the golden rule: Do unto others as you would have others do unto you.
@Christian Heath yea but the thing is, in reality there really isnt anything wrong with killing an animal for food. Why should there be, like i said animals kill other animals for food and dont think anything of it. We are animals as well and always will be, so what if we have evolved to a state where we can simulate meat with plants, if you wanna use the ethical excuse, plants are also alive. Not as advanced as animals but still alive. No matter what we do to eat we are taking life away, so who cares if you are eating meat or plants. I also dont agree animals should be killed brutally or beaten ofc, thats a problem that needs to be solved, but my point is that if you want to eat meat you shouldnt feel like its wrong in any way.
Animals die of natural causes every day, the reason Vegans are against the meat industry is because they're forced to lives their entire in terrible conditions, not be because they simply get killed
Crazy that he says he cares about animals, but the cushions on his headphone are made of leather.... I'm vegetarian.. more for the health benefits though.
Did he never learn about the food chain. What the hell does he think wild animals which are carnivores eat? They eat other animals. It’s the way of life and that’s something he needs to understand. The fact that he says the Bible is pro-slavery is quite funny as well. That’s complete and utter bullshit.
I kinda feel bad for the guy because he has to argue such a dumb point and JiDion just spits so much facts and you can tell he gets upset because JiDion ain’t tryin and spittin fax
That vegan guys judges people eating meat and animals suffering but his headphones are made from child workers or under paid hard works so not everything is fair but Jidion keep it up great to see you doing the best
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7 likesLmao randomly found this comment early
5 likesWhere tyrone
6 likesF Tyrone
10 likesYou could’ve gone down the biblical path of explaining how we have dominion over animals but it’s not like this guy would’ve understood cause he was too busy explaining how he’s 100 percent correct lol. Just cause we kill animals doesn’t make it immoral. Humans are not animals therefore a human life has much more significance than an animals because we were created in the image of god and have free will.
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1 like@tunes i love you
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1 likeWe love u jidion
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1 likeHere's the truth about death: https://www.amazingfacts.org/media-library/media/e/17275/t/truth-about-death
2 likesThe Sabbath:
Sabbathtruth.com
Here is the truth about revelation:
https://www.amazingfacts.org/media-library/watch/archives/o/1194/t/prophecy-encounter
Kbonsa look up fuck Tyrone from jidion it’s a great song
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1 likeShoulda mentioned how it’s a good chain and if we didn’t eat animals it would f*** the whole food chain so we’re just keeping it in check, and I’m glad to hear ur a Christian brother God bless 🙏🏼
2 likesYou are the best YouTuber out there no cap you should have 100 million
0 likesMan, you are amazing! Amen!
0 likesWhen agent said you don't care what people think about you he was right. (That's not a bad thing) 😂
0 likesYou are the best! Love your channel, Demarcus Jidion Cousins is the best you tuber in the world🤪🤣😇But what is censored on the wall!?!?😳😳😬😬
0 likesDude I love u so much more knowing ur a Christian I love u bro keep up the kid work 🤩🤩🤩🤩❤️❤️❤️❤️
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1 like@Neon no sir I can’t have insta but I will support u the best I can dude I love u bro
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0 likesJiDion I have an idea go to a hotel with Jackpot machines and keep on saying jackpot
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0 likesFunny,Christian,and smart gotta love it❤️
0 likesJesus Christ be with you jidion . Way to stick up for us Christians .
3 likesYou saying you finna come see Tyrone I live in atx gotta bring the atx raw doggers for backup 😳
0 likesTo everyone kosher meat is good the animals are treated good and are checked for diseases. Treating animals bad is horrible but part of there existence is to sustain ours. Pain is part of the circle of life just how other animals eat other animals how ever we as human do not eat our own because we have the strong ability of choice, animals are kind in nature and so you should eat the animals that have a clean nature because this effects our nature.
0 likesAnd the sacrifices in those times are no comparison of morallity then human sacrfices that existed in the past by many cults and religions that murdered innocent babies children men and women.
0 likesWell the truth or that god put animals on here to eat so…
0 likesAnd god is always accurate
0 likesYes
0 likesPlease be respectful and take veganism seriously. It's hardly even a choice when people become vegan. It is a paradigm shift, a change in perspective. We realized we were wrong in our actions and we had a moral obligation to live a different way. I can't go back on that even if I wanted to. Are you against animal abuse? Then you're already vegan at heart. Align your actions with your ethics, the only thing you'll regret is not doing it sooner. ✌️
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0 likesVegans: 👤
He man, remember this, a sacrifice is willingly given, the animals u say u sacrifice don't willingly give u their lives. Hope u can see your are needlessly stealing their one and only possession and the thing that matters most to them. You'd make a great Vegan bro, u can do it, believe it.
2 likes@Champ I must say, Kosher is worse as the animal is fully conscious when they needlessly have a knife dragged across their throat and suffer immensely while they bleed out, terrified. If you wouldn't do it to a human then it's not acceptable for any sentient animal. Animals deserve our protection as we are the smarter and more powerful. The strong protect the weak, we don't exploit and murder others for pleasure.
2 likesHe’s pretty cool he’s not a weird crazy vegan
2 likesTry watching Dominion @JiDion and tell me how that fits in with Christianity: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ny6aqdFy9SI
3 likes1 MIL likes and he has to go back and do it again
0 likesam i aloud to wear pro rawdogger at school?
0 likesNo cap
0 likes@Aiden Guardalben,
0 likesGod doesn't exist and we don't have free will.
Shot in the head lol
0 likes@Krwiomocz.Bogurodzicy Ⓥ 👍
0 likes@Aiden Guardalben,
0 likesHere's why:
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLIacjWbHUdUCucW9wcQZKKtvUP0lklDU1
Totally accurate bro 😎 🍖 meat 🥩 is good
0 likes@MELVIN LUNER,
1 likeIs it good when people who eat dogs and cats question the ethics of eating them? Would it be good if they went vegan? If they went vegan, would it be no better than if they merely stopped eating dogs, but kept eating cows?
“In their behavior toward creatures, all men are Nazis. Human beings see oppression vividly when they're the victims. Otherwise they victimize blindly and without a thought.” — Isaac Bashevis Singer
✝️God loves you so much! Come to him and experience his love for you. Come to him, it ain’t no coincidence that your seeing this :). God wants a relationship with you.✝️
0 likes@tunes ✝️God loves you so much! Come to him and experience his love for you. Come to him, it ain’t no coincidence that your seeing this :). God wants a relationship with you.✝️
0 likesDeMarcus Cousins? Sup
0 likes@Krwiomocz.Bogurodzicy Ⓥ well as a Cristian the Bible says we may feed on animals that’s the main reason why we still do and in other cases I want to have a balanced diet not just forcing my self to eat grass all the time if u don’t want to eat meat I wouldn’t stop you no one will cuz there would be more for me 😋 to eat I wouldn’t stop you same as you wouldn’t stop me
0 likesEveryone to themselves
If you want use to stop killing animals try telling that to a starving lion and tell me if it wouldn’t Devore you
It’s the cycle of life bro 🤷🏾♂️
It’s a sad world we live in
It can’t be stoped
@Aiden Guardalben Humans are animals though
0 likes@Aiden Guardalben Dominion does not mean we should needlessly murder others even if u feel they have less moral worth. To them, they value their life and bodily autonomy as much as u do your own. U can be faithful theist by not killing innocent beings as well, choose justice for them and us.
1 like@MELVIN LUNER,
1 likeCircle of life and lions,
This is an appeal to nature fallacy.
Imagine hearing a baby-killer say he or she will stop killing babies when you make lion stop killing their cubs. Or a rapist saying he will stop raping women if male ducks stop raping female ducks. Just because animals fight, murder, rape and steal from each other, doesn't mean it's justified for humans to do the same (interestingly enough to peaceful herbivorous animals like cows). Animals are not moral agents, they are moral patients. Still some animals sometimes display moral behaviour:
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLIacjWbHUdUCgA1Ac-6rnsFBUfqsREww2
“It's a sad World, it can't be stopped.”
Can be said by anybody when criticized about anything.
“No snowflake ever feels response in an avalanche.” — SJ Lec
“Never be a spectator of unfairness or stupidity. Seek out argument and disputation for their own sake; the grave will supply plenty of time for silence. Suspect your own motives, and all excuses.* Do not live for others any more than you
would expect others to live for you.” — Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a
Young Contrarian
* emphasis mine
“Everything that is not forbidden by the laws of nature is achievable given the right knowledge.”
As per Christian God, He doesn't exist (the whole idea is self-contradictory, therefore self-refuting). Here's how:
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLIacjWbHUdUCucW9wcQZKKtvUP0lklDU1
To make matters worse, Christian God condones genocide, slavery, infanticide Himself. And is the opposite of good. A good God wouldn't expect worship, an evil God wouldn't deserve it.
Racism:
“Harass the Midianites, and defeat them” —Numbers 25:17
“Thus cleansed I them from all strangers.” —Nehemiah 13:30
“As for your male and female slaves whom you may have: you may buy male and female slaves from among the nations that are round about you. You may also buy from among the strangers [NRSV: “aliens”] who sojourn with you and their families that are with you, who have been born in your land; and they may be your property.” — Leviticus 25:44–46
Genocide:
“You must not let anything that breathes remain alive. You shall annihilate them.” —Deuteronomy 20:16–17
Infanticide:
“O daughter Babylon, you devastator! Happy shall they be who pay you back what you have done to us! Happy shall they be who take your little ones and dash them against the rock!” — Psalm 137:8–9
“Their little ones shall be dashed in pieces, and their pregnant women ripped open.” —Hosea 13:16
“And I will not have mercy upon her children; for they be the children of whoredoms.” — Hosea 2:4
“I will punish the world for its evil. … Whoever is found will be thrust through, and whoever is caught will fall by the sword. Their infants will be dashed in pieces before their eyes; their houses will be plundered and their wives ravished. … Their bows will slaughter the young men; they will have no mercy on the fruit of the womb; their eyes will not pity children.” — Isaiah 13:11–18
@Josh Wong uh animals are not “others” animals are animals. Very different from human beings. And killing an animal for food isn’t needless. Meat is important. U can’t compare animals and humans when it comes to autonomy because animals don’t think like humans. They also don’t have souls. We are like god and we were created in his image animals are not like god. They are apart of creation designed for humans.
0 likes@Aiden Guardalben I agree they are different, but you are aware they feel pain and suffer like us and have families and care for their young if given freedom to do so? Are u aware the World Health Organisation classes red meat as a class 2A carcinogen? We don't want cancer so why would u want meat? U don't have to see them as like us or god to show respect and benevolence. I used to be a fisherman and ate animals for 34 years of my life, but the evidence is clear that we do not need to consume animals any more in this era. Go vegan and learn the ethics and you won't regret it, you'll wish you had done it long ago.
0 likes@Aiden Guardalben Free will to be smart and compassionate too. Have you ever watched a documentary about how animals are treated in slaughter houses or even prior? How is that ok?
0 likesLook, I've watched and liked the vegan trolling video, but the vegan guy is indeed right about everything as even myself I started a few months ago some type of flexi-vegan diet ( introducing more vegan products into my diet but still eating meat sometimes) as I can't pretend to be an animal lover and be ok with the way they're being treated. They can't speak but they're so intelligent and therefore it's not ok. No one would be ok to have their cat or dog slaughtered for meat but because it's a pig( pigs are smarter than dogs) it's suddenly ok? Who are you to say what type of life is more significant than another?
The Bible path is outdated and frankly ridiculous , how many lamb a day do you sacrifice? How many adultery woman you stone ? Do you always tell the truth 24/7, never judge or commit any sin? Please stop. It's just convenient to hide behind the Bible like many do.
@Cole Spradlin It has nothing to do with food chain. It's about compassion and if you're a real Christian, you should know what that is. Have you ever watched a documentary about how animals are treated in slaughter houses or even prior? How is that ok?
1 likeLook, I've watched and liked the vegan trolling video, but the vegan guy is indeed right about everything as even myself I started a few months ago some type of flexi-vegan diet ( introducing more vegan products into my diet but still eating meat sometimes) as I can't pretend to be an animal lover and be ok with the way they're being treated. They can't speak but they're so intelligent and therefore it's not ok. No one would be ok to have their cat or dog slaughtered for meat but because it's a pig( pigs are smarter than dogs) it's suddenly ok? Who are you to say what type of life is more significant than another?
The Bible path is outdated and frankly ridiculous , how many lamb a day fo you sacrifice? How many adultery woman you stone ? Do you always tell the truth 24/7, never judge or commit any sin? Please stop. It's just convenient to hide behind the Bible like many do.
@Gunner Royal Maybe he did, but I'm 100% sure he didn't put them for us to treat them like they do in slaughter houses. It's literally inhuman.
0 likesAnd look I've watched and liked the vegan trolling video but the vegan guy is right about everything as even myself I started a few months ago some type of flexi-vegan diet ( introducing more vegan products into my diet but still eating meat sometimes) as I can't pretend to be an animal lover and be ok with the way they're being treated. They can't speak but they're so intelligent and therefore it's not ok. No one would be ok to have their cat or dog slaughtered in horrible circumstances for meat but because it's a pig( pigs are smarter than dogs) it's suddenly ok?. Nah the "God" excuse, is too easy when 99% of the people using God or the Bible, don't live by its exact principles.
@Aiden Guardalben Meat is important, yes and no. We're in the 21st century and God gave us a brain and options. You can live a very healthy life and be vegan. Just look at some world famous athletes who are vegan. Have you ever watched a documentary about how animals are treated in slaughter houses or even prior? How is that ok? It's not only about the end result it's about the whole process.
0 likesLook, I've watched and liked the vegan trolling video, but the vegan guy is indeed right about everything as even myself I started a few months ago some type of flexi-vegan diet ( introducing more vegan products into my diet but still eating meat sometimes) as I can't pretend to be an animal lover and be ok with the way they're being treated. They can't speak but they're so intelligent and therefore it's not ok. No one would be ok to have their cat or dog slaughtered for meat but because it's a pig( pigs are smarter than dogs) it's suddenly ok? Who are you to say what type of life is more significant than another?
Going down the Bible path is outdated and frankly ridiculous , how many lamb a day do you sacrifice? How many adultery women do you stone ? Do you always tell the truth 24/7, never judge or commit any sin? Please stop. It's just convenient to hide behind the Bible like many do.
@Jay 4You stoning and sacrificing was something of the Old Testament you clearly haven’t study the Bible in depth. It’s no longer needed because of Jesus sacrifice. That’s why u don’t see people doing stuff like that. Animals can be treated better before being killed for food. Being intelligent doesn’t determine value. A human is more important then an animal and we have intrinsic value. I’m not saying. Its just a fact and that’s how god intended it to be. The Bible isn’t outdated. Some practices are no longer necessary. No one can take the wisdom and truth away from Gods word.
0 likes@Josh Wong nah I’m good sir
0 likes@Aiden Guardalben1- You're a walking contradiction because by definition outdated means old or no longer needed. So you're admitting that some references you wanted to use as an argument against veganism is outdated. Never said the entire Bible was, learn how to read to be relevant.
0 likes2- I don't think God came to you and said what he intended to do. You're assuming. But intelligence does determine value, value does call for compassion could it be for small or big things.
3- God created all beings, they're therefore all valued. If I'm an honest person who pretends to believe in God, I can't be ok with the way the meat industry treats animals.
4- I don't believe for a second that God intended to have mass production of animals, have them stuffed in cages eating their own feces or being bleached for your contentment. And that's what veganism is mainly against.
5- Fake Christians and prophets telling others what THEY think God intended have been around forever and they represent the vast majority of so-called Christians we unfortunately see today, but once you know better, you understand it's not a thing as I'm 100% sure you don't live by every single one of the Bible's principles.
Most vegans are agnostic or atheist. The thing is is where does he get a sense of morality from. Because if we just evolved where why we evolved are gain morality when it's survival of the fittest.
0 likesYou should have also asked him if he's pro-life or pro-choice. Plus in the Bible God slaughtered the very first animal to clothe Adam and Eve.
@Jay 4You Not everyone buys meat from huge conventional factory farms so sure it happens but not everyone who eats meat supports it
0 likesSay less bro
0 likes@Gunner Royal I hope not because it's INHUMAN!
0 likes@Aiden Guardalben if we have free will, do you think it's better to use our standing with love and compassion to protect the vulnerable? Do you think a compassionate and benevolent God would have given non-human animals the capacity to feel pain and suffer if they are here to be killed? Listen to your conscience that God gave you.
1 like@Soycrates actually gods creation was perfect in the beginning. It was sin that brought corruption and confusion. Sin still corrupts the world today. Adam and Eve sinned and separated humanity from god. God gave them the ability to have free will and he gave them the decision to either obey or disobey because he is just. He could’ve just made us like robots but instead he designed us in a way so that we could make decisions for ourselves.
0 likes@Aiden Guardalben I agree with you, brother. Let's use our free will to live consciously, to make right of our sins and reduce suffering and to protect the vulnerable in this world. Back in the day, it was necessary for humans to kill and eat animals. However, today we have an abundance of plant-based foods which we can survive and thrive from. Why should we continue to cause suffering to these vulnerable animals if we don't need to? Is it not a form of greed and selfishness to value our tastebuds and convenience over the life of an animal that has the capacity to feel pain and suffer, and has a desire to live?
1 like@Soycrates “When the Lord your God enlarges your territory, as he has promised you, and you say, ‘I will eat meat,’ because you crave meat, you may eat meat whenever you desire.
0 likesDeuteronomy 12:20
@Soycrates I’ll think about not eating meat when abortions illegal and when we start caring more about baby humans then baby deer.
0 likes@Jay 4You dont say im "not a real christian' then call the bible outdated people are much more significant than animals and if u were a "real christian" u would know that sacraficing a lamb IS outdated bc that was a way to keep people in check and realize how precious life is but we stopped doing that after jesus christ our lord and savior died on the cross for our sins.
0 likesBangers
0 likes@Aiden Guardalben Why does dominion have to mean being violent and oppressive over the weak instead of protective and caring stewards?
1 likeIf you want to represent God as a human in his image, then think about what Gods ideal perfect world would be.
In the Lord’s Prayer it states “thy kingdom come, thy will be done, on earth as it is in heaven”
Christians should bring heaven to earth, not hell.
Slaughterhouses are HELL on earth, inflicting pain, misery, and death onto innocent individuals. This would not take place in heaven.
David was 100% right about what happens to the animals, see for yourself and don’t be a coward.
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Les go hate on this mans chanel
0 likes@Aiden Guardalben just because there's other ills in the world doesn't me we should turn a blind eye to this one, and it is disrespectful to rank pain and suffering in importance, suffering is suffering. It is also possible to care about multiple things at once. When we purchase animal products we are contributing to animal abuse.
0 likes@Aiden Guardalben Please don't use the Bible to condone an unnecessarily violent lifestyle. The Garden of Eden was a vegan garden. It is sin to consume animals unnecessarily.
0 likes1. “And to every beast of the earth, and to every bird of the air, and to everything that creeps on the earth, everything that has the breath of life, I have given every green plant for food.” —Genesis 1:30
2. “But Daniel resolved that he would not defile himself with the royal rations of food and wine … Then Daniel asked … ‘Let us be given vegetables to eat and water to drink.’ … At the end of ten days it was observed that they appeared better and fatter than all the young men who had been eating the royal rations.” —Daniel 1:8, 11–12, 15
3. “The wolf and the lamb shall feed together; the lion shall eat straw like an ox; but the serpent—its food shall be dust! They shall not hurt or destroy on all my holy mountain.” —Isaiah 65:25
4. “But ask the animals, and they will teach you; the birds of the air, and they will tell you.” —Job 12:7
5. “The righteous know the needs of their animals, but the mercy of the wicked is cruel.” —Proverbs 12:10
6. “He gives to the animals their food, and to the young ravens when they cry.” —Psalms 147:9
7. “I will make for you a covenant on that day with the wild animals, the birds of the air, and the creeping things of the ground; and I will abolish the bow, the sword, and war from the land; and I will make you lie down in safety.” —Hosea 2:18
8. “How long will the land mourn, and the grass of every field wither? For the wickedness of those who live in it the animals and the birds are swept away, and because people said, ‘He is blind to our ways.'” —Jeremiah 12:4
9. “Are not five sparrows sold for two pennies? Yet not one of them is forgotten in God’s sight.” —Luke 12:6
10. “Your righteousness is like the mighty mountains, your judgments are like the great deep; you save humans and animals alike, O Lord.” —Psalms 36:6
11. “Blessed are the merciful, for they will receive mercy.” —Matthew 5:7
@Soycrates Jesus ate fish
0 likes@Soycrates the Bible also tells us that no person has the right to judge others for eating meat
0 likesWhat do u think of this song? https://youtu.be/1Fe2OwqZgV8
0 likesBro no one suffers from ptsd from slaughtering animals the use the certain gun thing that instantly puts the animal down no pain at all they don’t slice there throat till after there dead. That foo stupid
1 likeI got PTSD from my last video I posted
0 likes@Jay 4You u said going down the biblical path is outdated. What does that mean then? How can the biblical path be outdated if the Bible is still relevant today? I think that’s a contradiction right there
0 likes@Jay 4You ahhhhh it’s inhuman ❄️❄️❄️
0 likes@Summer Skye the Bible tells us that we can’t be judged for eating meat. Ur making people who eat meat out to be demonic and violent.
0 likes@Quinn Stewart we aren’t animals
0 likes@Aiden Guardalben you’re saying throat slashing is… peaceful and Godly?
0 likeshaha
0 likesWhy would I sub to a snowflake
0 likeshe literally quiy veganism😂😂😂😂
0 likesIf we were vegan by nature in the beginning of our evolution to humanity then this conversation would never have occurred. So is the view of the vegan since we have made it past that part of our genetic evolution we no longer need to play role in hunters and become vegetated farmers and breeders to flourish (mother) earth?
0 likesW for David
0 likesNo
0 likes@Football Forever yoo SDA?
0 likes@Aiden Guardalben Exactly. Vegans so often push that their diet is healthy, environmentally conscious, and an ethical alternative, but are, in reality, none of these, and are generally worse off in all of these aspects compared to our natural omnivorous diet.
0 likesListening to this feminist sound exactly how libs talk🤦🏿♂️ so much non sense and ppl believe it
0 likesHis last name is ramms like a 🐏 ram. Kinda funny
0 likesAbsolutely love the respect in linking the man's channel. You do good ass content my guy.
0 likesjust realized that the steak comes from a cow that eats grass so technically we all are vegan
1 likeBully david
0 likesYou helping him when you should be helping your own people
0 likesThe vegan guy “animals get shot and throats slit everyday” jidion “smokin on that cow pack” got me dying
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Ya but the vegan guy was genuine demarcus did bad to him
166 likescow pack
33 likes@aryan dass fr
14 likesPlus being shot in the death is a much less painful death than being eaten alive by a predator XD
59 likes@aryan dass ❄️
10 likes@Devon Meyer bro vegans can be like i aint eating meat but that aint gonna change that the animal is already dead meat gives us nutrients that we need there are alternatives but they dont be tasting like this juicy burger on my plate rn
64 likes😂😂
0 likes@MacBurger - Topic deadass tho
8 likesLMAo
0 likes@Devon Meyer says who?
1 likeWell they’re moved in one at a time into what’s called a “kill box.” It’s a box that’s solid on all sides so that even the animals next in line to be slaughtered can’t see what’s going on in front of them. So it’s impossible for them to know what’s going to happen. One exception…
3 likesI mean, I’ve seen animals slaughtered while there were others present and in full view and none seemed perturbed about it. What gets animals going is when they smell the pheromones of a panicked animal that is left behind on the chute walls, gates, bars etc. When the next animal[s] get a whiff of that particular scent, they go nuts too; they never ask why they smell what they smell, they just react out of instinct (genetic survival because they’re prey animals). When they don’t smell such pheromones, they don’t think anything bad is going to happen to them; they don’t know they’re going to die next. They’re only concerned with being in an unfamiliar environment, but that’s about it.
@aryan dass nah he was saying they shouldnt kill animals anymore bcs his religion was from thousands years ago? wtf
2 likes@Carter Brown says logic
3 likes@Carter Brown it’s fucking obvious plus people who got shot before say they could not feel it until later because of the Rush what they get of adrenaline and if shit in the head they will die before 2 minutes if done right
0 likesMoooooooo
0 likesIn what minute jidion said that
0 likesI now watching it i aint get to that part and this comment got me dying alr 🤣🤣🤣🤣
0 likes@aryan dass vegans aren’t humans
0 likes@aryan dass you gonna cry?
0 likes@mike_404 dont be like that
0 likes@ColorFN what
0 likesAre you talking about the video where he went to the restaurant or this one
0 likes@MacBurger - Topic oh my… bro 😂
0 likesWhat got me is him comparing jidion eating food to sexually harassment
1 like@aryan dass we smokin on that cow pack
0 likes@aryan dass it’s a vegan
0 likes@Devon Meyer That's really not a good comparison at all. Imagine saying that as a defence for a human too. "Better to be shot to death because dying of old age or a disease is more painful."
0 likes@Devon Meyer Last I checked, there are no predators hunting animals in factory farms. Try again.
1 likeManny speaking fax 💯
0 likes@MacBurger - Topic Supply and demand buddy.
0 likes@V P Man, how the fck did you miss the persons point? Try again.
0 likes@Jameson Mcripfist What exactly was the point then? You realize that the overwhelming majority of animal products consumed by humans are from factory farms in which animals needlessly live short painful lives of misery by the billions, right?
0 likes@V P I believe it was a comparison between wild living and factory farm living. I wasn't agreeing nor disagreeing, and I think my profanity may have been a bit over the top as a logical discussion would be preferable.
0 likesThe point was that animals who lived in the wild statistically live shorter lives due to predators and other causes from being in the wild. At least that's what I took from inference.
I am in complete agreement that the lives of these animals are quite horrible, but there's almost nothing anyone can do because the industry is so large, and most people just don't care about living conditions of animals which will be executed.
@Jameson Mcripfist Okay... but where was the point I missed? They were saying that a death by gunshot is less painful than being eaten alive by another animal, which is true. What makes their point completely irrelevant is the fact that factory farming is done purely to satisfy the wants, not needs, of humans whereas animals eating one another is the only way they can survive.
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0 likes@Devon Meyer I was thinking the same thing
0 likes@MacBurger - Topic 💀
0 likesIt's the separation in how much people value animal life. Do they deserve the same rights? Why should we care?
0 likesDamn Jidion actually seems to know quite a bit about moral relativism and the Bible, good on him.
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And he also knows how to take a joke. Such a level headed guy makes everything better.
351 likeshuh
2 likes@Zane UndertheSun moral relativism is the worldview that says everyone’s morality is unique to themselves and still somehow valid. It’s hard to rationalize the worldview because when a moral dichotomy arises, where one is directly opposed to the other, they can’t both be right.
89 likes@islu! moral relativism is important because it endorses the idea that no one is absolutely right
13 likes@Justin Leung it’s not compatible with Christianity because we think there are things that were absolutely right about.
35 likes@islu! yeah im christian as well but sometimes understanding outside ideologies is vital to create empathy and understanding of the world surrounding
26 likes@Justin Leung There’s nothing wrong with understanding other ideologies, but adopting them and mixing them with your Christianity leaves you with idolatry.
43 likes@islu! yeah its important to make that distinction, which is where discernment comes into play
12 likes@islu! I think christians just need to remember that hospitals there for the sick just as Christ is here for this world
5 likes@Justin Leung what
5 likes@islu! Amen
0 likes@islu! People only go to hospitals when they know they need healing. Likewise, know that the wages of sin is death and Jesus paid the price. Jesus sat with sinners because he did not sit with people who thought they were well. The farasis were hard-hearted and thought they earned heaven- Jesus said their father is the devil. So there you have the reference. We go to Jesus, we go to hospitals, and we only go if we realize we are broken. Jesus is our redeemer.
10 likes@Mr. Yeet Sorry I was having a hard time understanding what you meant. I do now, after the clarity
2 likesJidion is the man but if he had any real understanding of the Bible and what it sanctions he'd definitely have NOTHING to do with it. I truly think Jidion hasn't ever really pondered the question of "why" he believes in the Bible.
5 likes@GodisGood No he talked about sacrificing lambs which was a thing in the Old Testament but they didn’t need to do that anymore when Jesus Christ the Son of God was sacrificed for our sins also in the beginning before Adam and Eve sinned they didn’t eat animals and the animals weren’t afraid of them but then they sinned and then they were allowed to eat animals
7 likeseven the devil knows the Bible
1 likeReally? His counter points were awful. "you believe what you belive in and I believe what I believe in"
3 likes@noro what are you talking about ? He’s right in the Bible killing an animal for food or for atonement is not wrong
3 likesYes, but some ideas are more valuable than others. A well defended and rational idea is much more valuable than an idea made on impulse. Ideas made on impulses are the main cause of pain and suffering in the world and result in no progress.
2 likesI eat meat and don't believe in religion, animals eat other animals ALIVE and raw, at least we're sophisticated enough to season it.
1 likeBible does not support slavery like that and the guy on the left was extremely inaccurate about evreything he said
5 likes@Proud Misogynist,Racist,Homophobe🏳️🌈⃠ And kill them mercifully. Nature does not care
0 likesObjective truth is found only in the bible, everything else is man made.
2 likes@Josue Portillo pretty much every religion says that about their book
1 like@Landon Lee And Every God denier says exactly what you said. You're hugging too tight to your sinful ways, to comprehend the freedom Jesus has to offer.
8 likes@Josue Portillo wow great argument bub. The amount of evidence you provided to prove your claim was astounding. And I know that for a Christian it’s pretty hard for you to not assume but I’m actually Muslim. The fact you deny a basic fact that every religion says that shows how close minded of a fool you are. The gates of hell will greet you no doubt
1 like@Josue Portillo anyway there no ping arguing As you are one of the close minded Christian’s. Do you believe the earth is flat? Do you squeeze the blood of pigeons over alters? Do you think the earth is 6000 years old
1 like@Landon Lee do you believe in Beating your wife , and marrying children? The prophet Muhammed did. If you don't repent and believe in Jesus you will perish with Muhammed, Buddha, and the Pope.
2 likesJesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
John 14:6
Most funny people are intelligent
0 likes@Hornywizard445 no one asked (:
0 likesMoral relativism is the dumbest shit ever
0 likes@Josue Portillo W Chad Christian
0 likes@Proud Misogynist,Racist,Homophobe🏳️🌈⃠ you're on the right track, hell yeah! Animals eat each other so why can't we eat each other
0 likes@Josue Portillo Joseph (pbuh) married Mary (pbuh) when she was 12. Do you seriously think that marriage back then was the same as now?? Also Muslims do believe in Jesus (pbuh), he’s a prophet, messenger and messiah. He isn’t god or the son of god.
1 likeWe also follow Jesus (pbuh) better then you lot do. We don’t eat pork, which he also wouldn’t eat. Muslim women dress modestly and wear a hijab, the same way in which Mary (pbuh) did. Muslim men are supposed to have beards, the same way in which, Jesus Christ and every other prophet (pbut) had beards. We pray by prostrating, the same way in which Jesus would prostrate. We also fast like he would. We also say peace be upon him after saying his name. The way you responded to that person shows what type of person you are.
You need to learn about religions, instead of blindly following your own.
@Josue Portillo
2 likes“And Jesus said unto him, “Why callest thou Me good? There is none good but One, that is, God.” Mark 10:18
@Josue Portillo
0 likesO People of the Book! Do not go to extremes regarding your faith; say nothing about Allah except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, was no more than a messenger of Allah and the fulfilment of His Word through Mary and a spirit ˹created by a command˺ from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers and do not say, “Trinity.” Stop!—for your own good. Allah is only One God. Glory be to Him! He is far above having a son! To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And Allah is sufficient as a Trustee of Affairs. (171)
An-Nisa' 171 in the Quran
@Tayba Muhammed slept with a 8 year old. A child. She still played with dolls.(read koran) Mary was at a marriage age in her time, and was promised to Joseph. Huge difference. No book says 12 years of age.
1 like@Tayba Who is greater? Abraham, Moses, or Muhammed?
0 likes@Tayba
2 likesQuranic verse:
If thou wert in doubt as to what We have revealed unto thee, then ask those who have been reading the Book from before thee: the Truth hath indeed come to thee from thy Lord: so be in no wise of those in doubt. (10:94)
You've come to the right place. We are the people of the truth.
Jesus said:
"6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.""
-John 14:6
@islu! It's not that simple
0 likesHow could moral relativism be a good thing, though? There’s gotta be some objective morality at least in some cases. No one thinks Jeffrey dahmer made a good use of his time here, do they?
0 likeshe's both street and book smart
0 likesObviously not if u end up believing in it
0 likes@noro thank you. i feel surprised so many people think jidion made good points. once you really study it, and you end up believing in it.. that’s quite the problem
1 likeNeither moral relativism nor the Bible is true. Grow up.
1 like@Justin Leung Gods don't exist.
1 like@islu! And you think there are things you're absolutely right about with zero evidence. That's called delusion.
1 like@V P Nice assumption bum
0 likesHomie is not as simple as you might judge him by his vids bro
0 likes@islu! on top of that our brother over here talking bout some old covenant stuff 😂 using the old religious practices to sound right
0 likes@Tayba The doctrines of jihad are mentioned over 300 times in the Quran. And while people of Islam can be very peaceful, 25% believe that those who don't convert should be enslaved or executed. This is extremely troubling. I believe that they are being consistent with the Quran. Also, Jesus rose from the dead… And there's massive evidence that says he did, all of your arguments are Nolan void. You must continuously work for your salvation instead of work because you have it. That is the difference between Christianity and Islam. We don't earn salvation. It's given as a free gift and we respond in gratitude
0 likesorganized religion is BS but objective morality is vital to humanity.
1 likeHe left out a few key parts but yknow
0 likesActually Jidion got abaolutely destroyed in the religion part of the debate
0 likesJidion should have attacked the vegan's claim that it is objectively wrong to kill animals and asked the vegan how he can believe in morality without having a religious worldview being an agnostic. This would have probably invalidated his claims as most people believe some things are objectively wrong without being able to justify why any objective morality exists at all which is a problem Christians don't have.
1 likeJidions a walking W bro. Not afraid to express his religion, open minded, respectful, but still manages to be funny. Best YouTuber on the platform.
0 likesThe moment when it turned from a meme into an intellectual debate was incredible 🤣🤣
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There was nothing intellectual about this
14 likes@Joseph Broseph thanks for your opinion "joseph broseph"
68 likes@Joseph Broseph ah yes it wasn’t intellectual to have a debate where they bring up facts and good points and respecting each other, so dumb
8 likes@yathar thc right dude. How tf he gonna come in and say something’s not intelligent with that name. Cmon man.
1 likeJidion got destroyed in the religion part of the debate
0 likesYeah. I eat meat and I love Jidion's content, but this was not an intellectual debate and Jid didn't give a single good argument (in the video at least). It was all just false equivalences and platitudes and he just waved away when the vegan guy asked him an actual, sound question (about human-like beings and if he'd not consider them human and what it says about his compassion towards animals and animal suffering).
1 likePersonally, I recognize the logic in vegan arguments, but I just a) think meat tastes too good and any alternative products are still too expensive and/or hard to find and b) know that me stopping eating meat would not change anything, since there is already so much food wastage etc. I'd not even be anything close to a blip on the radar, and all that would happen is me putting effort and my own potential inconvenience towards something I don't care about that much
Still love Jidion though. Like he said, you can still have love and respect, and I don't have enough of a bone in this argument to care either way.
Love when people actually discuss things and still respect each other. Another banger by Jidion
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3 likesJidion didn't actually discuss anything. He didn't actually engage with any points. He just kept reverting to "thats wat u believe, this is wat i believe"
4 likes@Will Akana That’s the whole point though, morality is subjective. Something one person may think is morally wrong, might not be considered morally wrong by some other person
2 likesHe’s so right. At the end of the day, that’s his belief; he crosses the line when he tries to say being vegan is a morally superior stance.
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Veganism could never be superior when they’re malnourished LOL.
21 likes@BrandonFoampositehow are vegans malnourished?
8 likes@BrandonFoamposite Just so you know, there are cultures in the world that have existed for 1000s of years who have a strictly vegetarian diet.
24 likes@[-0LT'U Iiii307n Okay?
55 likes@[-0LT'U Iiii307n they also have higher chances of breaking bones and are usually deficient in proteins/nutrients needed for life.
85 likes@Kallum source? Just to use an example, ancient Hindu societies had vegetarian diets, and they still do to this day. They used to fight literal wars.
22 likesAlso keep in mind that im talking of vegetarianism NOT veganism.
@[-0LT'U Iiii307n it probably didn’t matter in ancient societies cause the average person vegan or not was malnourished and lived to like 35, as they did not eat nearly enough in the pre agricultural revolution world. The point being that in our current age where having a healthy diet can be sustained, eating meat is far more beneficial than not. Vegans break bones up to 2.3x more than meat eaters and them lacking proteins/nutrients should be common knowledge as a vegan diet is far harder to keep up with especially when meat is a significant source of protein and specific chemicals our bodies need.
44 likes@Kallum again, no sources. "probably" doesnt work. Also the premise of argument seems counter intuitive to me. There was more manual labour back then, most things were not automated like today, so they would be spending more energy. Even in our times, agro-based societies consume more calories than urban dwellers.
9 likes@[-0LT'U Iiii307n Have any of those cultures been to the moon, though?
39 likes@Space Wolf completely unrelated? I could point at obesity rates, i could point at the shootings, i could point out so many things to make fun of your culture, but there's no need, cause all of that is completely irrelevant. Good troll though.
8 likes@[-0LT'U Iiii307n that’s gotta be the longest “no” I’ve ever read.
34 likes@[-0LT'U Iiii307n This is a lie, all traditional cultures rely on some use of animal foods, usually animal fats since they keep well longer than the meat.
11 likes@Kenechi??
0 likes@[-0LT'U Iiii307n no hes got a point technological advancement is directly correlated to the well being of ones culture. In modern society it is measured by the strength of a nation’s economy. Cultures that lead lifestyles which create the highest odds for a someone to develop a technological advancement currently is russia, us and china and they are notably not endorsing a vegan lifestyle. Countries that are poor are so because they dont have the resources to improve their occupants lifestyle. They arent able to allow the best chances for someone to step out and make a development that causes notable effect
16 likes@Space Wolf Have any cultures that haven't practised slavery been to the moon, though?
7 likes@Kallum Do you have a single source for Vegans breaking more bones than non-vegans? A vegan diet has all nutrients except for B12 which a supplement is needed. Elephants are vegans, Gorillas are vegans, they are both stronger, larger and bigger than you.
2 likesBtw im not a vegan or vegetarian just calling out your bs
@[-0LT'U Iiii307n yeah but they indians, so they not really a shining example of humanity
10 likes@slydog just say you failed trigonometry
3 likes@[-0LT'U Iiii307n what does that have to do with poo people?
6 likes@Kallum big cap, you just have to be knowledgable and smart when you eat plant based. You have to make sure you eat enough and focus on what you eat. Pays off for sure.
1 like@Dylan peres gorillas aren’t actually Vegan and elephants are herbivorous
1 like@totally tf2 A herbivore is a vegan lol.
0 likesGorillas eat predominantly plants and some insects like termites and ants. Therefore that would be the ideal diet for humans.
@Dylan peres first of all, they aren’t only plant eating by choice or because they want to help the environment, but rather that is their evolution unlike ours, and just because the gorillas diet is beneficial for them doesn’t mean it is for us? We are related but not the same species
3 likes@totally tf2 Yes i agree its due to their evolution.
0 likesOur ancestors collectively known as hominins ate fruits, leaves, seeds, flowers, bark and tubers.
Which is why if you compare our physiology to say that of a real carnivore like a lion or wild dog you see that they are much more suited to meat eating. That is why the leading causes of death in humans today heart disease, cancer, HBP, etc. etc. are all tied to excessive meat consumption. Red meat is literally listed as a class 1 carcinogen.
@Dylan peres are we not omnivores for a reason? A balance is the best, not excessive meat eating nor forcing yourself to not eat meat when you very well could
3 likes@totally tf2 But is any meat good for us? Especially when we can get everything from meat from insects or plants and avoid the bad health consequences??
1 like@Dylan peres gorillas are vegan because they can produce cellulose and produce more protein by eating vegetables, humans can’t do that
0 likes@Dylan peres and you can’t get creatine from vegetables
3 likesIt quite literally and technically is morally superior. Not exploiting animals unnecessarily is by definition a more morally superior thing than exploiting an animal for no reason lol
2 likesHicks in the south for the past few hundred years we’re saying the same thing verbatim about black people
1 like@[-0LT'U Iiii307n veganism and vegetarian is different. veganism is actually unhealthy.
2 likes@Dylan peres our ancestors also had peanut brains and weren't far from the bottom of the food chain... not a great argument you have there
0 likes@[-0LT'U Iiii307n and where are they today… not advanced at all 🤷♂️😂
0 likes@Dylan peres the animals you named need different nutrients in order to survive 😂
0 likes@Ballaplayz ?
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damn argument. in my opinion, if your diet is what you want to do then do it. don’t say yours is morally superior. we’ve evolved to consume meat. sure, animals getting raised to inevitably be slaughtered really is bad. for some however, many still eat meat despite its health drawbacks and necessity today. you can get all of your nutrients from plants. as a meat eater myself, i view veganism or any plant-based diet as someone else’s beliefs. I eat meat myself because it tastes good and it is fairly nutritious. burger yum 🍔.
6 likes@[-0LT'U Iiii307n vegetarians and vegans are different beliefs my guy, vegetarians do not consume meat. Vegans believe in the use of 0 animal products.
3 likes@33cltn maybe read a little more before commenting, my guy.
0 likes@[-0LT'U Iiii307n never.
0 likes@[-0LT'U Iiii307n sources 🤓
0 likes@[-0LT'U Iiii307n Do you have sources for what you're saying??
0 likesHypocritical. Christians and Muslims do the exact same thing by believing they're the only ones worthy of an afterlife. Difference here is, it's a fact that we needlessly subject animals to short miserable lives of terror by the billions when we don't need to, while gods and afterlives don't exist.
0 likes@[-0LT'U Iiii307n p
0 likesHindus eat chicken everyday. And Bacon 😂 They just don’t eat cow. Gets your facts right bro
0 likesObviously it is morally superior? Explain how it isn't
1 likeReligious people should take notes
0 likesI eat meat and… it is. The only possible counter argument could be environmental.
0 likes@33cltn vegetarians do it for themselves. Veganism is an ideology
1 likeI love the energy man….unmatched….he managed to bring to light the negative way the man tries to impose his beliefs on people. The guy makes everyone who doesn’t do what he does a bad person/d bag.
66 likesI swear Jidion never misses!! His videos just keep getting better and better!
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On god
11 likesFacts!
8 likesAlso i just came off one of your vids!
7 likes@oohpa arjan he’s been consistent lately! He got 4 videos up in a month
23 likes@oohpa arjan He has other channels as well and he streams so he's got a lot going on
5 likesI’ve watched like half of his videos in 3 days. Insane YouTuber
3 likesFax
1 likeIts impossible for jidion to miss
1 likeYeah he just needa keep dropping weekly
0 likesong
0 likesFr
0 likesFr
0 likesMy videos are similar style to Jidion, I’m a New Youtuber and tryna hit my dream of 5k 🔥🔥🔥
0 likesThat was so wholesome
0 likesFax 📠
0 likeshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzaSRqu2ALI
0 likesdid it for shaq R.I.P. 🤍🕊
0 likes📠
0 likesStop sleepin on my YouTube channel, I’m going to be the biggest Mexican stoner on YouTube soon!🥶🙏💨
0 likesSo y’all going to react?
0 likesno yap
0 likesFacts 😅
0 likesJidion should go to a casino and just keep yelling he won
0 likesNah you can't beat his boxing videos
0 likesFr
0 likesFacts!!
0 likesFor sure
0 likes✝️God loves you so much! Come to him and experience his love for you. Come to him, it ain’t no coincidence that your seeing this :). God wants a relationship with you.✝️
0 likesW
0 likesThe vegan video was cringey as fuck. A lot of his shit is just cringey now
0 likesLiterally
0 likesOng
0 likesShorter and shorter tho
0 likesBlink twice if you your in danger
0 likesWhat u think of this song? https://youtu.be/1Fe2OwqZgV8
0 likesLegit what unseen powers does my guy behold
0 likesOn god
0 likesDon't swear
1 like@𝕊𝕄𝕆𝕂𝔼𝔻 𝕆ℙℙ𝕊𖤐 don't put it in my father
1 like@e3ad don't put it on my father
1 likeFacts
0 likesfax
0 likesNelk did this agessss ago
0 likes🤣😂🤣😂
0 likesYeah
0 likesthe vegan guy seems to have his heart in the right place, i.e caring for animals. but the reality is that humans evolved on a diet high in meat. it's not reasonable to expect someone to sacrifice their own health by not eating meat.
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I think the vegans point is most animals are treated like shit
81 likesYou don't need to eat meat to survive my g
138 likesIt more of a sacrifice to EAT meat. For example, cholesterol.
15 likes@chumpstain no you don’t but it’s cheaper than being vegan or vegetarian. Vegan and vegetarian lifestyles are expensive
128 likes@RandomGaming Not true lol. The cheapest items in stores are all vegan. You don’t have to pay extra money for meat substitutes that aren’t even good for you. Beans, leafy greens, fruits, etc are all cheaper than your steak
67 likes@RandomGaming that's tough
3 likes@Lanthums nah with veganism there comes the added health risks
128 likesRealistically veganism is promoted as being healthy, but the dietary lifestyle brings about a load of underlying health conditions and you miss out on alottt of nutrients your body needs
@I'm just a bear with internet access Not true. You can get every essential nutrient and mineral from a plant based diet. Already been proven repeatedly. Load of bullshit what u just said lol. I’ve been vegan for 2 years+ and feel the best i’ve ever felt in my life.
30 likesI'm not vegan or vegetarian but its definitely a myth that you can't get all the nutrients your body needs from a vegan or vegetarian diet. Certainly wont deny that it takes more time and dedication to put into getting everything you need but it's still possible.
35 likes@ThatFoxyGuy i respect that answer. No one can force you to be vegan, but to say it’s not possible is ignorant. It’s true you have to put thought into it, I mean you can consume just mcdonald’s fries and coke and be considered vegan, a whole foods plant based diet is optimal.
13 likesVery true
2 likes@Jeffory Phelps cholesterol is essential
4 likes@Lanthums while its true you can get every essential nutrient in a plant based diet, garnering the recommended amount is not as easy, as opposed to just eating meat
20 likes@I'm just a bear with internet access I don’t think it’s morally justifiable to take the life away from a sentient being living in a western society when you 1. don’t hunt and 2. go to a grocery store to get your food. Am I allowed to eat you over an apple because it’s just more convenient for me?
5 likes@Lanthums Eat him over an apple? Bro that is the weirdest kink Ive heard of
30 likes@Roman J Sounds pretty stupid doesn’t it. Thanks for proving my point, trolled yourself <3 hold this L for me g
5 likes@Lanthums that's actually not true lol salad is cheap but other ingredients to maintain the diet are expensive and you have to buy it alot, n learn new recipes
19 likes@jenn I’ll state it again because it’s just a fact: The cheapest ingredients in a super market are plant based. You can cop any beans, rice, or fruits and you’ll live healthily. Doesn’t need to be that complicated and if you choose to buy other items and learn recipes that’s on you.
4 likes@Lanthums if you think vegan food is just rice, beans and salads bru. that's on u how u gonna eat if u don't know how to make anything and actsuly meats and and stuff are so much cheaper in in area
13 likes@jenn I don’t “think”, I know. This is coming from a place of experience not some fictional ideology lol. Those are just a couple of examples and to continue contributing to animal abuse when I doubt you even buy your own food is HILARIOUS.
2 likes@Lanthums you do not have experience you have some cringy anime thing on ur pfp, ur still still child and you clearly don't know the prices of vegan foods since ur mommy still makes you food, and I will, I enjoy eating delicious animals lol
14 likes@I'm just a bear with internet access not true, you can still face the same nutrition problems on a regular meat diet
2 likes@Tpin HCF no one says shit when native Americans did it and THE WHOLE WORLD ok change how they kill ‘em ig will that make y’all feel better at the end of the day ppl will continue to eat meat whether y’all like it or not
2 likes@harper 1215 i see your what your saying but that’s a terrible point lol they don’t say shit cause that was thousands of years ago and those are just animals so they could eat to survive… y tf people gon b talking about how a tribe used to kill animals 🤣
1 like@harper 1215 vegans are just saying the way animals are treated before death are inhumane sometimes, and i’m never gonna stop eating meat btw
1 like@Tpin HCF it still happens today tho we eat meat to survive tf wtf r u saying
1 like@Tpin HCF it’s the same thing
0 likes@looper scooper there are tribes with meat based diets that live longer on average
1 like@Lanthums the decreasing of muscle mass on a vegan diet is true you chose this ideology for yourself you will see its wrongdoings eventually maybe you'll save yourself before it gets damaging
4 likes@Liftism plenty of vegan athletes who disprove that biased claim 😅
2 likes@Lanthums subpar vegan athletes dont mention the powerlifting vegans they take peds.
7 likes@Tpin HCF would they like for us to give them a last meal
0 likes@Liftism I follow people who do this as a life style and look just as healthy if not healthier than “meat eaters”, never said anything about powerlifting.. lmao.
2 likes@Liftism and can you attribute that to them only eating meat? I would automatically assume that they probably live just healthier lifestyles then those who live in 1st world countries eating pizza all day
1 like@Lanthums being vegan can give you the same necessary nutrients as a meat diet, but the face is that some nutrients are sourced most purely from meat or other animal products. For example, creatine a chemical that improves the function of muscles is most pure and beneficial when consumed from herring or beef. Creatine can be consumed through supplements, but it is subpar to a pure source
5 likes@Lanthums being vegan and promoting the benefits is ok, but it becomes problematic when you start claiming that veganism superior to a balanced diet composed of both vegetables and meat
7 likes@Lanthums yes vegans can be very healthy but then look at the two top athletes in the world: Lebron and Cristiano Ronaldo. Neither of them are vegans, but they are the most physically superior in the world. Yes vegan is good, but eating balanced is the best and theres no refutation to that
7 likes@Lanthums there is also a no actual moral basis that supports the claim that eating meat is immoral. It makes no sense because the world is not a daycare. Its a dog eat dog world, the very nature of this world is to set things against each other so that something rises to the top. From an agnostic stand point, Humans are simply advanced animals, but still animals like sharks and orcas both of which play imperative roles in their ecosystems as they assume roles of the predator.
8 likes@Lanthums I think a question that will allow you to prove your standpoint on vegans or lose all credibility is this: is a shark evil to eat a fish? Is a lion evil to maul a gazelle?
6 likes@Justin Leung firstly I’d like to make it clear that I don’t force this lifestyle on anyone, and if it did sound that way then I apologize and know it wasn’t my intention. To answer the last thing, the way I think about it is, wild animals do things we consider immoral as human beings all the time. Lions rape each other in nature, that doesn’t mean we base our morality around that and excuse rape because other animals do.
3 likes@Lanthums but we arent talking about rape are we? My point was that humans are animals as much as lions are. If lions could look at the mass genocides that humans commit against each other im sure they would scoff in disgust
5 likes@Lanthums ik ur not forcing veganism onto anyone, but claiming your experience as fact sure makes me feel some type of way
1 like@Justin Leung the only thing i’m saying is a fact is that you can be healthy without consuming animal products , because it is. It doesn’t mean you can’t be healthy consuming them. My point is if you’re not going to eat plant based in a Western society, then at least be conscious about where you’re sourcing your products and shop locally. What we allow in commercial farms is unacceptable , we fund many terrible things as a collective.
2 likes@chumpstain I do
0 likes@Lanthums good for u and all if u don't wanna eat meat that is your choice but im not opposing that nor was that the focus of the discussion 😅
3 likesWe were talking about whether consuming meat or going on a vegan /vegetarian based diet is ideal for the high functioning of our body's
@I'm just a bear with internet access If that’s the case, everyone already knows you can be healthy both ways. There isn’t discussion there lol
2 likes@Lanthums yeah theres no debate vegan is sustainable (physically wise) but a balanced diet is much easier and cheaper to endorse.
0 likes@Lanthums I just would like to point out that humanity is incredibly flawed. Im sure you want to believe that being vegan is favourable because it feels morally correct, it appears to be cheaper. However the reality is much more complex. Crop imported cause many moral issues to arise as well, but I wont get into that. Really, the only way to stay out of any moral ambiguity is to buy local veggies, but that is incredibly expensive so many people may not be able to endorse that either
2 likes@Lanthums i suppose so lol
0 likesHave a good day / night then! :)
@Lanthums that’s just you tho. All it really comes down too is how someone feels. If you feel like you don’t want to eat something that came from murder then don’t. I feel bad for animals but that doesn’t mean I don’t want to eat meat. I feel like it doesn’t matter where my food comes from all that matters is that I am grateful enough to have money to buy food.
1 like@Lanthums are the insects smeared across your windshield every time you drive not sentient? Do you feel the same way about the sentient parasites you kill to make sure your food is safe to eat? Moral compasses differ from person to person, and personally I see no issue with the death of a non-sapient organism if it’s being used to provide sustenance. If you don’t want to eat meat no one will care, but trying to tell other niggas not to eat meat is corny af
3 likesOne thing I learn from this comment section is that being weeb and vegan is a bad combination.
0 likes@I'm just a bear with internet access WHAT a lot of top athletes around the world are VEGAN
0 likes@I'm just a bear with internet access meat is LITERALLY the worst most inefficient vehicle for nutrients. It literally slows down, and wears out your digestive system over time. Leading to other diseases. And it does this while offering the lowest variance of nutrients. It’s mainly just protein and fiber. Your body needs a lot of things meat doesn’t offer to highly function.
0 likesI mean at the same time for one many people's throats are slit by other humans and 2nd do you think wolf's just think about caring for the animal when they hungry.
0 likes@Lanthums Idk about you, but greens in Hawaii it's fucking expensive. It's very hard to just buy a crap ton of greens and have it last for a long time. If people want greens/fruits or something we usually grow them but even then, a lot of people don't have that kind of time to take care of the plants unless they were retired or something or don't even have the land to do so. This is for Hawaii only ofc, not sure about the others.
0 likes@Tpin HCF What are you talking about there are native tribes to this day that still hunt like they did back then. People all around the world still do it. The only people who care are the people living with nice houses, electricity, cars, computers, nice clothes n shit.
0 likes@Tpin HCF Personally, I think I would want to be killed by a machine and die quickly. Being slowly eaten alive, dragged around by like 5 animals, ripped apart is just a terrible way to go out.
1 like@BagCityTV Well yeah that's why you have a balanced diet. It should never be one or the other. Both have bad side effects. Balance is the key to everything.
0 likes@Itz Rookie808 yes ofc, that’s also why I’ve mentioned the setting you reside in matters a lot. Obviously I can’t tell people who hunt for a living, or who live in less fortunate places what to eat. This goes towards western civilization.. If you go to a store where everything is available or order your food online, I am against funding commercial farming. Honestly that goes towards plant farming too, in an ideal world we wouldn’t rely on a shit system for our food. Lol.
0 likesIn my opinion, God gave us dominion over the animals, we should use them for food and other animal products BUT, we need to be fair "rulers" and treat them with some respect in the process.
1 like@Support Sniper i respect ur believe. Now, do u make sure every single day that u source ur products correctly from local farms and you’re not funding the commercial farming that obviously abuses and treats them like absolute shit? Or are u just putting random claims out there?
0 likes@Lanthums I live next to farms :) I do support farm owners who treat their animals properly (I've gotten some good milk from a cruelty-free dairy farm and off-topic but it tastes better than generic brands) I have gone to the dairy farm and personally went through the fields, met the cows, and even went in the place where they take the milk from the cows (it was a place where the cows could come and choose when to go there to give away their milk).
1 like@Support Sniper then salute to u, this goes towards the other 90% of the ignorant population and the reason why we need to be supporting those local farms now more than ever to bring regenerative methods back
0 likes@Lanthums Haha thanks! I wish more people would back up their words....
2 likes@chumpstain nope you do
0 likes@Lanthums nope the cheapest stuff is anything you can get your hand on
0 likesFast food is way cheaper than any vegan Resturant for example
I can buy some meat or chicken for low price then punch vegan stuff so I can get all the equivalent proteins
@I'm just a bear with internet access no that vegan is right you can get everything from plants however it’s hella expensive and taste bad so I’m not doing it
0 likes@Lanthums no that’s not true it’s expensive maybe your country is different but if you want a healthy vegan life style you truly need to pay more also eggs are still essential
0 likesAlso I’m allergic to some plants so that gives me fewer options
@Lanthums vegetarian not vegan big difference
0 likes@Justin Leung no vegetarian cuz you still need diary eggs is essential
0 likes@Ko whatever works for u we all built different, my point is just source ur food correctly. Go to local farms where u know the cows are treated right and fed grass. It’s for ur own health too.
0 likesYou can get all your vitamins and nutrients from a plant based diet. I mean most of the benefits of meat are from the plants and grain that the animals eat. It just loses health and gains fat when it’s in meat. The only actual vitamin you lose without meat is B12 but you can take supplements for that.
0 likes@Ben Schramm I agree, I would just suggest to people taking that route to stay away from the fake meats and alternatives and stick to a whole foods plant based diet, staying away from starch as much as possible and sourcing your vegetables & fruits from a reliable organic place
0 likes@Lanthums saying that being vegan and all the vegan stuff is cheaper than meat or eating meat is false. Basing this on your empiric data is wrong.
0 likesActually, in like 80% of countries which are 3rd world countries or countries in development, buying meat and products that come from animal production is way cheaper than veggies and vegan products.
For example, here in Latin America, with 40 dollar you could buy groceries for a week for a family of 4. And with those same 40 dollar you could only buy a day of vegan food and goodies for only 1 or 2 persons at most.
So just because you've seen that in your country veggies and vegan stuff seem to be cheaper doesn't mean it is actually like that. You gotta look at the bigger picture.
Plus, vegan diet is not only based on veggies and that's it. It is based on other things like tofu, and other types of products which can be more expensive than animal products.
Not saying being vegan is bad because I think is good, but you gotta be realistic and see how the economic situation is like for other people before assuming how veganism is cheaper.
@XD I should’ve specified when I mentioned that part that it only really applies to western society. I know how it is. I feel different about the topic now anyways, I’ve started consuming raw animal foods that are sourced correctly. Just don’t agree with animal abuse and the commercial farming industry.
0 likes@Lanthums yes but not organic with pesticides and such i think most people who are vegan are people with money for the organic foods
0 likes@Roman J your being ignorant and mocking him
0 likes@jenn imagine thinking ground beef cost (9.00$) per pound is cheaper 🤡🤡🤡🤡
0 likes@Lanthums It is true. Being that you have to eat 3 or more times as much food to get proper nutrition and calories the price goes up fast. These days veggies are overpriced as it is. Then I gotta eat 3 times as much of it instead of having some greens and a Burger.
0 likes@Byron C. NIZMO i’m done replying to comments on this. Read the whole conversation as all this shit has already been mentioned by me more than once.
0 likes@Tpin HCF I have sheep, they have the best possible life they could have
0 likesIt’s about respect for the life. you’re changing the goalpost of the expectation.
0 likesThere is a lot of truth in saying that we eat too much meat though. Factory slaughter workers do also suffer from high rates of depression, divorce etc. I think we’ll end up having to tone down the amount of red meat we eat as a necessity in the future but until then, I’m eatin jerky.
0 likes@I'm just a bear with internet access you literally have a cellular device of infinite information and you're saying it's not easy to know which vegan foods to eat in order to get enough nutrition? j
1 like@jenn You can literally get an impossible burger from starbucks for 6 dollars. U have no idea what you're talking about. Infinite information at your grasps and you still remain ignorant.
0 likesIts been proven that your actually healthier on a vegetarian or vegan diet than being a carnivore so long as you keep track of what you eat Because alot of vegitarains have certain deficiencies that can simply be solved by eating the right vegetables
1 like@big zed yeah we ain’t carnivores we omnivores
0 likesWhen you just know that he is the same person that tells everybody to wear a mask and lockdown to "protect their own health"
0 likes@chumpstain yh but is good for u to have some meat from here to there
0 likesI‘m not a vegan or a vegetarian, but the arguments from pro-meat people here are so dumb 🤦🏾
0 likes@Lanthums I’m not against veganism but fr can we stop acting like it’s the best option and there are no downsides to the diet. 1. It is harder to obtain protein: fish, lean grass-fed meat, eggs, and whey are the easiest ways to get protein. 2. Many of the foods you listed simply don’t have the same satiety as certain counterparts, say what you want about red meat but 1 steak is calorically low and that shit will fill most people up for a while. Beans, rice, and salad isn’t enough to stop people from coming back for seconds. The best option for a balanced diet is to allow yourself to eat fish as a meat replacement, and if you can just hunt for your food and eat meat all you want. I don’t support the modern factory farming industry but there is no objective reason to be against harvesting or hunting animals. ( if you reply please don’t try and argue philosophy, if you can give me facts on why it isn’t helpful to kill animals I’d appreciate it )
0 likesIt's crazy but as humans we are addicted to meat without control anymore. Being vegan is way healthier for you, and I'm not vegan saying this. The health benefits are next level, and morally it's on a realm we can't understand as humans
0 likes@2GUYS1GUN humans are inherently addicted to meat? Are we also inherently addicted to vegetables, sugar, and water? 🤦♂️ the health benefits are insane? That statement isn’t evidence I bet you watched game changers and then made that claim. It’s something humans can’t morally understand? Morality is a human created concept so I don’t know how there could be a moral feeling that humans don’t understand and how do you know there is some moral hierarchy that is above our understanding when it comes to eating animals?
0 likes@Ag 223 hey not gonna argue with someone that isn't enlightened.
0 likes@Ag 223 so you're eating dead energy, that's toxic. When you eat vegan, you are eating food that has alkalinity. Your body is at supreme feeling and supreme health when it's alkalized. This is why greens and veggies are called "super foods", so not just random claims, it's science lol, your body should be in an alkaline state. You may lack empathy and perspective in the moral side of it but I think we can both agree that slitting animals throats and shooting them in the heads, is plain wrong and would not be on top of a hierarchy. Weird you're arguing against this. And yes, it's something we can't fully understand that we need animals to die as we are above them, just bc we can't control our meat addictions, or selfishly just are having them die for our taste, bc remember we don't need meat to survive. We eat it bc we enjoy the taste.
0 likes@2GUYS1GUN dead energy??? A calorie is a calorie, you aren’t eating dead energy. Other foods than greens and veggies are called super foods, a super food is just a food with high nutritional value. You are trying to project your moral belief that killing animals is wrong onto me, it’s disappointing to see someone not be able to bring themselves out of their close minded beliefs and think about other possibilities. Your feeling isn’t fact, it’s a feeling. If I felt that killing plants is wrong it doesn’t make it “wrong” in an objective sense. Morality is subjective, there is a fact for you.
1 like@Ag 223 bro like I said, not gonna argue with someone not enlightened. Calories and alkalinity are 2 different things lol. High alkaline water of 8-10ph has 0 calories lol, has nothing to with calories. You said a whole lot of nothing, the difference is plants don't have hearts that stop beating from killing them, animals do. Get enlightened bud.
0 likes@2GUYS1GUN you said dead energy meaning the opposite would be alive energy. You aren’t consuming any “alive energy• or “dead energy” so to speak. Alkalinity is not altering the energy and making it a much better alternative. Also my plant point was a hypothetical statement someone could make and how it wasn’t right or wrong. How that flew over your head and you perceived it as being my actual viewpoint is beyond me. Whether an animal has a heart or not doesn’t give them inherent value. All organisms have the same value , show me any evidence that I’m wrong.
1 like@Ag 223 this is why I said you're not enlightened. Energy in food is different from what you're thinking. You can eat a bowl of certain vegetables that has "alive Energy" in it, meaning the bowl is ph leveled and alkalized vs a moose that was shot 4 weeks ago, sent to a butcher, then sent on a truck to a Walmart to sit on the shelves for a few days is INDEED DEAD ENERGY. Animals aren't killed in the back of grocery stores lol they have been dead for weeks when you buy the meat. Educate yourself.
0 likes@chumpstain yeah but i still want to eat it
0 likes@chumpstain Most vegans are unhealthy with weak bones and stuff. Meat has unparalleled nutrients compared to other food sources
0 likes@Lanthums Funny I always hear vegans say its the best theyve ever felt but theyre always thinner than before. You can achieve that same feeling while ona meat diet. Veganism is proven to be more difficult to get the same quality/range of proteins in comparison to the moet basic meat diets. Sure it's possible to live off of just plants, but it's much simpler, and generally more affordable to just include meat. This is because you assume all market conditions are the same as your local market, but on a much larger scale it's just not realistic to expect that from others.
0 likes@Lanthums Also Id like to add although the vegan movement has a respectable purpose, it's goal isn't realistic at all. Even once beyond meat and all of that is 100% identical, it wont change how those farms are. In fact, it will make things worse. Bringing hard times upon an imhumane company will result in even worse conditions. What should be done is instead protest to the government and ask for regulation on animals living conditions. What we have right now clearly isn't enough. Slaughterhomes will always be bad, but that doesn't mean the rest of the process has to be.
0 likes@chumpstain the proteins in animal meat are essential to human health
0 likes@Lanthums to get the same nutrients as someone who eats meat. It costs more
0 likes@I'm just a bear with internet access U seen cp3 that man switched to a vegan diet for health reasons look how he ballin
0 likesThat’s not true we aren’t carnivores bruh. Just like pigs main diet isn’t meat it’s the same for us.
0 likes@HAKATAPAWA we aren’t pigs. we are omnivores but we eat high meat
0 likes@Family Pranksters we don’t need a lot of meat in our diet at all. Being omnivore means that we eat whatever is at disposal. Considering how weak we were when we appeared and that hunting techniques were not developed, most eat we ate was the meat of small or already dead animals.
0 likes@HAKATAPAWA now we don’t need met because we can make vegan burgers and such. Back then you would not survive off of a vegan diet
0 likesIt’s not about that tho, and I know I’m late lol but this comment was just absurd. It’s not that we consume meat. We can. It’s the WAY we obtain the meat to consume it. Slaughterhouses aren’t cool bruh. Look them up
0 likesBut there is no health issue with being vegan. It’s not like you can’t get your protein from somewhere else, the strongest man in the world was vegan for example. Like I’m not even a vegan or vegetarian but I feel like those vegan extremists are actually speaking the truth. In a modern time and in many countrys it’s not necessary to kill animals or let them suffer (like cows which are getting räped and robbed of their child after birth to steal their milk) to have a good diet. The only reason for eating meat is that it’s more comfortable in our society. You don’t need to resist the lust for meat and don’t need to count your taken amount of protein if you’re just eating “normal”, though that’s means that you are letting animals suffer and die because you decided to eat the easy way. Again I’m not even vegetarian but I’m aware that because of my behavior other animals are suffering, emotional and physical, and I’m having the highest amount of respect for everyone who decided to eat vegan.
1 like@Ken Kani the strongest man in the world as also in steroids
0 likes@Family Pranksters and the strongest not-vegan man is on steroids too. a vegan diet isn’t more unhealthy than a “normal” one
0 likes@Ken Kani it takes a lot more food when your vegan to get the same nutrients otherwise
0 likes@Family Pranksters as I said before it’s way harder than eating “normal” you’re just Problem my point
0 likesVegans can be healthier bro.
0 likesyou can live without meat buddy
0 likesWe didn’t evolve on a diet high on meat.
0 likesbro imma eat my fuqin meat bc protein
0 likesHigh in meat? We where lucky to to even catch something lol The human body is designed for efficacy, we're not carnivores.
0 likes@Lanthums I personally did some internet research in the past in diet basically and you need all 7 types of proteins
0 likes@ThatFoxyGuy Went to college for general nutrition. It’s VERY hard to get all the essential vitamins and minerals from Vegan diets. Lean meats like Chicken, and Fish are great for you. Beer and pork in moderation has no bad effects on the human body. 99% of Vegans are very skinny and cannot hold muscle mass very well. Basically malnourished people just suffering
0 likesnah he seems very del usiona l
0 likes@Jeffory Phelps lol no it isnt
0 likes@chumpstain yeah but it tastes good
0 likesSo history = morality? We also used to keep slaves mate
0 likes@chumpstain vegans often are extremely reliant on supplements to have normal levels of vitamins and minerals. Vegetarians at least have animal products that make it much easier to make up the difference in a way that doesn't strain your body. Eating meat isn't nessecary (in the western world and for people in the western world that can afford the artificial alternatives) but its currently the most effective and efficient way to have a healthy body.
0 likes@Lanthums those supps those fuckin bean protien shitters all those fucking micronutrient shits you gotta get in and all the bloodwork you need to make sure you arent fucking up your self is expensive
0 likesJidion made a good point that everyone ignores we don’t know what’s good or bad we know what influences us to believe these things
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It's a pretty basic point, really. You can say that nothing matters at all and that would technically be true. It's impossible to define that. Even if a god told us that something was wrong and we had proof that the god existed, it still wouldn't be 'good' or 'bad' because the definition of a good or bad action is self made.
8 likesNah, anyone with basic decency who doesn't have to rely on a 1500-year-old book filled with genocide, slavery, misogyny, and abuses of every other kind to base their moral values on can pretty clearly reason that a "good" thing is something which causes sentient beings to feel good while a "bad" thing is something which does the opposite.
1 like@Lewis Jones it's not impossible to define, you just choose not to believe, and that's certainly your choice. You're trying to argue there's no such thing as objective truth which is ridiculous and is an argument that folds in on itself. Even if there's someone who believes it's right to kill for their religion with acts of terror, we know that it is objectively wrong to murder. Objective truth is not self-made. It only takes logic to prove the existence of God, albeit you can also do so with science.
0 likes@V P Relying on feelings to determine good and bad is ridiculous. Feelings can change with the wind. Getting revenge can make someone feel good, does that make vengeance okay? I guarantee that if you kill someone because they killed someone you care about, you're still going to jail. Non-believers love to blame God for the acts of people. Everyone has free will. God said love everyone. You're speaking as if God wants there to be evil in the world. He loves us enough to give us a choice to love Him. You can talk bad about the Bible, but I bet you've never actually done the research to see if it's more or less likely that God is real. Logic backs the existence of God. Science backs the existence of God. You don't have to use the Bible. Just look at the evidence objectively with an open mind.
0 likes@God Is My Source We don't know that it is wrong to murder, we believe it as we empathise with the pain it causes and relate it to our own fear of death. Animals murder, is it not natural then? What if we murder for a greater cause? If we all eventually die, what permanent change do we cause with any of our actions?
0 likesThere is no absolute truth. It is all objective. Nothing matters in its complete sense, so therefore what we believe in dictates what matters
@Lewis Jones calling an animal killing another animal "murder" is a stretch. Every time someone or something kills someone or something else, it isn't murder. When people fight in wars, they aren't tried for murder afterwards. There's a distinction which everyone with a sound mind recognizes as wrong. The proof is as simple as looking at the laws across the entire world.
0 likesWhat matters to you and what is truth are not the same thing. There is objective truth by definition. If you say truth is subjective, that means you believe your own statement to be the truth. But if I say your truth is wrong, and you say whatever anyone believes is truth, how can both our beliefs be the truth? The idea of subjective truth collapses on itself. The reality is too many people don't want to be held accountable. Too many people want to be their own god. Jesus is the way, THE TRUTH, and the life.
@God Is My Source I'm not saying truth is subjective, I'm saying ethics and the idea of good or bad is subjective.
0 likes@God Is My Source Well 1. gods don't exist. 2. Yes, vengeance is moral, that's literally why we send people to jail. 3. We can very easily rely on logic to determine good and bad. You, on the other hand, rely on the feelings of 2000-year-old men.
0 likes@V P you refuse to do the research to see that it's more logical that God exists than it is that He doesn't, that's your choice. Vengeance isn't moral. Just because our earthly governments do something, doesn't make it right. Slavery was once legal in this country for example. Jesus said to turn the other cheek and to always forgive others.
0 likes@God Is My Source Pretty sure slavery is also permitted according to the Bible. That was the whole argument of slave owners in the South... oh, sorry, no; they were interpreting it wrong because... well... it makes people today feel better to baselessly assume that to be true.
0 likesGods are an idea created by humans to "explain" the things we cannot. Nothing humans pull out of their a**es ever just happens to exist. Why are there no horse people living on Mars? That's also something I made up with no evidence? Same likelihood that gods exist.
@V P show me the scripture where God condones slavery. Are you referring to the fact that Israelites were able to put themselves into servitude to pay off a debt, then were released? That's nothing like American slavery which I referred to. And even though they were servants, they weren't abused. That's something God allowed, if that's what you're referring to. There were those who repeatedly chose to put themselves into servitude because they were taken care of better than they could themselves. At that point, is it slavery or a job? There was also an Israelite celebration where those in servitude became the masters and the masters had to live in their servant's quarters and do their work. Imagine what would happen to those masters if they didn't do right by their servants. Nothing like American slavery. Let me know where God condoned that. Yes, American slave owners did manipulate scriptures to justify their evil. Just because people twist scripture to fit their evil desires, doesn't make the scriptures themselves evil. Gay marriage is legal in America, does God condone that too in your mind?
0 likesTo go from pranking this man to launching into an analytical discussion on the morals of humans god bless you bro your the best
38 likesIt almost freaks me out how good of a dude you are because I’ve always thought I was that. Thank you for humbling me.
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0 likesAlthough i'm not a Christian, i fully RESPECT jidion for defending the religions and especially his own religion (christianity) 💪🏽💪🏽
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facts!
0 likesThe fact that you handled his podcast with respect at the end is what makes you one of my favorite youtubers! Always great to see
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8 likesHe didn't handle him with respect. Cooking meat in front of vegan activist and calling it respect. your words are like behaving homophobic to lgbt activist and saying that it is respect just for being willing to speaking with him is just bullshit
0 likes@Sabari hariharan it wasn’t meat
26 likes@Adam I’m saying😂😂🤝
2 likes@Sabari hariharan imagine being this dumb. If you aren’t able to handle meat being eaten in your face grow some balls.
5 likes@Sabari hariharan do you know what beyond meat is?
1 likeDidn't know JiDion was a Christian. He got even more respect from me.
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So just cuz he Christian u give him respect ? Tuff
141 likeshe was clearly trolling almost the whole interview you cant know that
16 likes@Xtravugant he literally said “even more” meaning he already had respect for him nigga
37 likes@Xtravugant I don’t think he meant so much so because he was Christian bu more so cuz he believes in Christ and god
17 likes@Xtravugant yes bruh i respect him even more
27 likes@Xtravugant There a problem with that? Muslims call each other “brothers” just cause they’re Muslim
24 likesSWØRN FISHY he literally said he is
0 likesWell he shouldn't get more respect for believing in god, god is most likely fictional anyway..
9 likesThere’s no “most likely” in belief, that’s the annoying yet interesting part of life.
7 likes@Sher 18 well there is in life.. Most likely depends on facts and logical thinking. But you are right if you are a beliver in a religion that doesn't matter.
0 likes@Xtravugant any believer in God instantly earns my respect
36 likes@Tfaili What about flat earth?
2 likes@Damien Mehp A believer wouldn't be stupid enough to not know his Lord's creation
14 likesSWØRN FISHY depends on what devil fruit he has
0 likesSWØRN FISHY yes ma’am
2 likes@Esco deluded. You just don't know what we mean by God.
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21 likesYou have a flawed view of what we God.
I was also an atheist but I reasoned it out myself and got answers.
You are on some cognitive dissonance shii.
let's put religion aside, let's discuss Theism and Science. You do not need faith to believe in God. It is being shown to you, you just have to acknowledge it or not. It just takes reasoning. I started reasoning it out when I was 17 during lockdown, now I am 18 with a strong believe in God.
What do you think God is? You think God is a human in the skies? Or you think God is a human figure or a physical being in the skies?. Nope God is the higher power that controls our subjective experience of reality. In other words, God is a spirit interwined with the material… the laws of the universe is God, nature is God, consciousness is God, energy is God… and God is very much alive.
Religion just tries to understand God emotionally or in the spirit, while science tries to understand God in materialism and laws, The two of them are both pointing to God, why do you think einstein said “The more I study science, the more I believe in God”, you think einstein didn't know what he was saying? Or why do you think Charles darwin called God the ultimate lawgiver?
Stop thinking of God as a physical being or a human like figure in the skies , then you will know and understand God.
Take off your ego and think logically, look at the earth… let's be sincere here, the earth is intelligent design and not a coincidence. Look at the universe my friend, look at how Jupiter literally protects the earth from coming asteroids and comets, you think it isn't intelligent design? And so on. With all these, God is being shown to you, you just have to acknowledge God or not.
Most people become athiest because they had a flawed view on God… and when they realise that their view is flawed, They just tell themselves that “There is no God, because there isn't an evidence”, they want an evidence of a human like figure(God) coming from heaven… but they wouldn't see that. Whereas in reality God shows Himself to them every single day through what Science calls nature and the universe. They make an argument of “Evolution”. But they do not know that God uses laws to create, what of if Evolution is just the method God used to mould us out of pre-existing conscious star-dust ? Of course God used a method to create us, God isn't a magician. Even Charles Darwin that proposed the theory believed in God. (I can speak more of it in the comment section)
While, other athiest just want to free themselves from moral constraints.
Whether you like it or not there is a God, if there wasn't, we wouldn't exist.
I will like to leave this verse here,
Romans 1 vs 19-22
19 because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them.
20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power(energy) and Godhead, so that they are without excuse,
21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened.
22 Professing to be wise, they became fools,
We know God man, We just call him different
I like how it appears JD's point flew right by @Esco's head.
0 likes@David It is still a belief, you don't need any "proof" for a belief. Nature and the creation of the world has nothing to do with god to me. It's called evolution and science. But if you wanna call evolution god, it's up to you. But if that is the case you can replace god with any other word an it would have the exact same meaning. The word god is just a way for a community to controll you alot of the time. As we have seen back in the day were the church used god to controll people and steal thier belongings. Religion is also the biggest reason for war, so it's not like it brings peace to the table. Seems more like a scam, religion is more of a cult if anything. Of course these are my personal beliefs, just like you have yours.
1 likeBut a critical thinking mind need more then faith do buy into something like this. Well Albert Einstein was Agnostic so he wasn't really religious.
"Agnosticism is the view that the existence of God, the divine, or the supernatural is not known or knowable with any certainty."
The problem is that in particular Islam and Christianity are authoritative religions. In Christianity, the only path to heaven is to accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour, and in Islam, you submit to Allah as Muhammad revealed through the Qur’an. The word “islam” even means “submission”.
The natural response from the educated critical mind is, of course. Why?
And “because Muhammad/Jesus/God/the Bible/the Qur’an says so” is not a valid answer.
You can't say that god with certainty exists. As well I can't deny it with 100% certainty. But thier is a bigger existence of logical reasons to deny it then there is to accept it.
@Esco and I am not calling Evolution God. What is wrong with you?
0 likes@Esco Albert einstein wasn't Agnostism . He believed in God of spinoza. And you will be shocked that people(even some christains)also have the same view as him.
1 likeAlthough I am not religious.
@Esco and stop bringing that religion argument to me. I AM NOT RELIGIOUS. theism is different from being religious
0 likes@Esco It is a reasoning not a belief.
4 likesyou are still making the same mistake. Of course it is Science and Evolution. How did the laws come to being in the first place?. Exactly, the laws is God. And that law is conscious. Look at dna samples fgs. Tell me it isn't intelligent design..
I wouldn't even talk religion just reasoning.
Anything that is the source is God, if you think the universe just popped into existence(which is daft) then the universe is God to you.
And that God is conscious or even more complex than consciousness
Read Anthony flew book on "There is God", he was also an athiest like me.
The earth is intelligent design and not one big coincidence.
Calling it a coincidence is even more daft than people who believe in magic.
@Esco you do know Scientist are missing an equation in which they call "The mind of God".
0 likesChange your view on God.
Stop thinking God as a spheghetti man, or a human like figure in the skies. Most religion don't even view God like that.
@Esco read Anthony flew book on "There is a God" and reason right. You have a very flawed reasoning, you know who God is. You don't just acknowledge what you see as God.
0 likes@David It is what it sounded like to me.. Also me bringing religion into it is very relevant. Religion and god go hand in hand if you haven't realised. Einstein was Agnostic, it is a pretty well known fact. So there you are just wrong.
1 like@Esco even facts and logical reasoning is not on your side.
0 likes@Esco Religion and theism is very different. Religion is just man plight to understand God emotionally or through faith.
0 likesTheism is the logical aspect, we understand God through science and logical reasoning.
Einstein wasn't agnostic, It just took a simple Google search. He believed in God but not a personal God.
@Esco he was like what we call a "religious non-believer" . He just didn't believe in a personal God. He wasn't really agnostic. In simpler words, he was a deist.
0 likes@David The word god is more religion. Higher power is a thing that you can describe with any word. Or by simpler means just describe it as you belive in a higher power. God is just a word some people made up to controll people that is all. You have to bring in religion. Most people who belive in god are religious. Even if you don't, most people do. It seems that we disagree alot on just the word "god" and the meaning.. You are still wrong there. Exactly it only takes a google search. Einstien calls himself an Agnostic or a "religious nonbeliever". So yes he was Agnostic.
0 likes@Esco man is cognitive dissonance your problem?.
0 likesGod wasn't invented, God was reasoned out and known, that's why almost all ancient civilisations in the past, from africa, to Europe, to Asia e.t.c all believed in God even without close contacts.
Religion was just recently made.
Organised Religion was invented .
And you do know that some religions are just strictly "spirituality" without theism. ?
You can be a theist or a deist and not be religious.
Einstein called God a Spirit. And The idea of agnostism was different then. He believed in God but he didn't believe in a personal God, that was just einstein plight. In simpler sense, he believed in an impersonal God ... hence the term "Religious non-believer ".
Like I said, what ever is the source is God.
And that source is more complex than consciousness whether you like it or not.
@Esco OK, let me ask you a question.
2 likesDo you think everything is a coincidence? You think the universe, the galaxy, the solar system and the earth is a coincidence and not design or intelligent design right?
A Christian that raw dogs… Isn’t premarital sex against what you practice? What’s your mental capacity at my friend?
0 likes@Xtravugant do you want Christian unity?
0 likesFor thinking there's a make believe sky daddy?
0 likesdoesn’t act like one
0 likes@Esco Jesus is God
0 likesAustin Batton Atheist are the weirdos, I am here to cure their closed-mindednesss
0 likes@Xtravugant yeah cause Jesus is the truth.
1 like@David I appreciate this well thought out and insightful comment thanks 👍
0 likesChristian that holds house parties with strippers lol
1 like@Xtravugant are you slow
0 likes@Tfaili you didn’t awnser the question. Do you believe flat earth. It alludes to it in the Bible
0 likes@David I respect you beliefs but this was a very flawed argument. You had only a few main point within this rather long comment. The earth is not intelligent design. What you seem to not understand is that there are no doubt millions of earth like planets being protected by bigger planets. Also the earth has been hit by asteroids which wiped out most species on the planet. Also Charles Darwin did end up changing religions on his death bed a very common practice at the time and he was no doing pressured by the huge hate he had received from everyone about his theory. And your point on “what is god made us by evolution” that’s kinda why most Christian’s disagree with evolution. In the Bible it states humans had not had had any species they evolved from and instead claims 2 humans were made one you already know how they were made according to the Bible.
1 like@David and also another flaw I’ve noticed. You highly straw manned here and generalized which doesn’t make arguments all to convincing. You brought up a shred of hypothetical evidence before then saying that all atheist either just don’t want to follow gods rules or just don’t ignore evidence all together and just have a “flawed view of god” I can assure you no most don’t. Most were Christian’s who followed the Bible and slowly questioned and explored. What ended up changing their mind wasn’t a lack of evidence it was contradicting evidence. Now here’s where it gets tricky. As we know parts of the Bible are meant to be taken literal and parts figurative. That’s is a valid counter yet certain parts that are objectively false such as the earth being 6000 years old is clearly meant to not be taken figurative. Obviously parts such as the earth being made in 6 or 7 days depending on which Bible you read are meant to be figurative,
2 likes@Landon Lee no I believe that earth is a round planet
0 likes@David I know this is complicated for you to understand and for a lot of religious people to understand (I know your a theist and not religious btw) but we don’t know everything. The not knowing it’s so exiting to get awnsers that at a point we will take anything. I feel that’s how a lot of religious people are. Not knowing the full awnsers to the entire universe doesn’t prove or disprove anything. Yet we do have a basic idea of a lot. And no I don’t thing dna is intelligent design. It’s simply a byproduct of evolution. You see it’s not like the first cells (which most likely wouldn’t be recognizable today) had the same dna structure we have. It was most likely something that had Barely worked and was extremely flawed and most likely in an undefined shape at first
0 likes@David those books prove essentially nothing. You have to realize he is quite litirally the same as me or you or any one. Their all jsut trying to say why their right and others are wrong. Everything in that book could be dubunked. Everything I say could be debunked. Everything you say could be debunked. At the end of the day neither you me or the smartest person in the world knows anything about the universe in the grand scheme. I’m not trying to deter you from believing. I’m simply wish peopel would stop arguing as it never will do anything. I realize how hypocritical it is for me to say looking at my latest comment. But you know nothing. I know nothing. No one knows anything really. Isn’t it crazy we’re arguing about the origin of the universe of everything when neither you or I or the general population has even made it to space. And no one has even made it mast our solar system.
0 likes@David no god was invented. To be more precise GOD’S we’re invented. The earliest history we have of humans coming up with the hundreds of thousands of different gods we have today was multiple. It want reasoned out that there must be magical gods having wars as that was the early view of god or gods. Singular gods are relatively new actually compared to last religiouns
0 likes@David yes I’m sure he does and I do too. How hard is that to believe. There are millions of galaxy’s and planets forming daily. From our own limited view of the universe we can already see tons of galaxy’s with presumably habitable and a lot more often galaxy’s that’s have 0 habitual planets and sometimes don’t even have planets. It’s all is just “luck” as many would call it but really it’s just the right conditions and which solar nebula the said star came from. It comes down to a lot of conditions really many fail but we already can see some that the right conditions so yes in the end I suppose it would be “a coincidence”
0 likes@David alright you kinda lost me there. Sorry but because people don’t have your same belief their weirdos? Righttt. So any other religion wouldn’t be a weirdo. That is heavily is pointing towards you being a religious person under the cover of just a theist. Which singling out anyone with contradicting ideals because you reasoned something at 17 even though both party’s have evidence supporting their claims is pretty closed minded to me
0 likes@Tfaili that’s good to hear
0 likes@Landon Lee Hmm. Just your thought process. DNA is in fact a great evidence for intelligence design. Two truths can exists. Intelligent design doesn't disprove or scrap out evolution. It depends on what you take as evidence though. A honey comb can be evidence of honey to you, it can be evidence of the bee to me . Yes you are right. No one really knows. But one thing that is for certain is that what ever is the source or explanation of our universe, life and consciousness is what is "God" in what ever shape , form or even immaterialism.
0 likesThe lamest shit I’ve ever read dude.
0 likes@Tfaili how sad
0 likes@David let me guess, you “ found god “ after a drug addiction or some unfortunate loss
3 likes@El Duderino lol people like you just make me happy about my religion 🥱
0 likes@Esco You may not know him but Jesus Christ loves you and so does every true Christian
0 likes@Esco ok
0 likesSame
0 likes@Xtravugant Read properly 🤦🏽♂️
0 likes@Esco religion doesn’t matter it’s the relationship with YOU and GOD. Religion is evil.
1 like@Esco yep
0 likesLost some for me. Dude had some dumbass arguments and using the Bible as his source made it even worse. Lost a few brain cells lol
0 likes@David believing in a superior pose I can get, quoting the bible is just foolish though.
0 likes@Xtravugant idk why you seem to have a problem w/ that lmao
0 likes@Tfaili
0 likesThe Bible never said the Earth was flat. You're taking a simple verse out of context.
bro ikr
0 likes@Esco he didnt said jidion should be respected by everybody
0 likes@Tfaili Why?
0 likesSo he’s convinced that a fake book with a fictional character is real.
0 likes@Esco ur shallow. but it ok
0 likesI’ve been vegan for a few years, some are actually weird though where they wanna push it down your throat, extreme. Most people aren’t though and just want to live how they want not bothering anyone else about it.
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Is there a reason you’re vegan?
0 likes@sea gull Humans are hunting animals at an unsteady rate and extinctions are happening. Animals are conscious, just as you are and have an individual perspective exactly like yours. That's why I'm vegan. You don't have to be I respect your opinion.
9 likes@Alien Extraterrestrial Extinctions are happening because of animal based decorations or clothing products. The food industry isn’t causing the extinction of any animal. Animals that are not eaten by humans will eventually be mauled to death and devoured by another. Did you forget that other animals are carnivores? Apart from that I didn’t ask for your opinion, I asked the original commenter.
13 likes@sea gull exactly we aren’t the only animals that eat meat that’s what I don’t understand some vegans act like if only humans eat meat when other animals do the same. I could understand that some vegans want animals to be treated better in captivity which is understandable but if people want to eat meat it shouldn’t be a problem
5 likes@Alien Extraterrestrial I respect your choice to do that but can I just say something I am not trying to be disrespectful or anything but most of the animals that we eat such as chicken, pigs and cows aren’t going extinct. I would agree with vegans that animals should be treated better tho we have to treat animals with respect food or not. But once your are happy and healthy being a vegan is cool
1 likeMichael Coban cows, chicken, and pigs are crossbred and they aren’t even real. That’s why they’re never gonna go extinct
1 like🍖 is best food in the world
1 like@Mikey sure, but by that logic, should we say r*pe should be morally acceptable, just because animals do that in the wild? I’m not beefing or anything, just putting in my 2 cents. I don’t believe we should base our actions on those of a wild animal, as wild animals don’t have any moral code, whereas we do.
8 likes@The Randy Box To every man they own opinion
2 likes@bobby m chickens cows and pigs aren’t real? Alright Bobby
0 likes@Mikey cows produce green house gases that are toxic to the environment. You think god would create an animal that ruins the environment?
0 likes@Mikey animals generally are not interpretive creatures and therefore do not rise to the responsibility of a moral agent as say a human being.
1 like@Alien Extraterrestrial soy based protein is extremely hazardous for men/testosterone while animal protein boost testosterone. Might as well just grab them off the self cuz that “food” expires pretty quickly.
0 likesvegan = cult
0 likes@Alien Extraterrestrial Extinctions aren't happening with the animals we eat.
1 like@sea gull 1. Animals suffer. (MORAL) 2. Animal-products are not as clean as plant products. (HEALTH) 3. Animal agriculture severely damages the environment (ENVIRONMENT).
1 likewell according to that vegan guy, the extreme ones are the moral ones doing a righteous thing. Such nonsense
0 likesWell, there's a limit. But trying to convert others to stop animal abuse isn't extreme in any way!! Paying someone to brutally murder animals sounds more extreme to me hehe
0 likesMate, how many meat ads do you get pushed on you daily. Every time somebody finds out you’re vegan they don’t shut up about it.
0 likesAnd I can’t see how veganism is forceful. Nobody is being forced to be vegan, and buying meat literally forces a knife to an animals’ throat.
@Mrmate, so plant agriculture doesnt kill or damage? And those avocados u get shipped. Those are extremely carbon emitting and water using food sources. And not to mention the area of land that gets mutilated and used to the point of the ground being dead. Many of the mainstream vegan foods are stressfull for the enviroment. Im not against veganisim. But vegans started to demonstrate their beliefs, and people started to mock them. Ever heard of the activists that put concrete on their feet?
0 likes@Sum8outEz Vegans are against rights violations. Plant agriculture, although it does involve death, doesn’t warrant a rights violation for the same reasons car accidents don’t. Vegans aim to build a society that respects the justifiable interests of all sentient beings while minimizing the incidental deaths that occur.
1 likeJiDion is actually so nice and I feel like people don't talk about his natural sincerity and kindness. What a guy.
6 likesFinnish guy got his arguments, and JiDion is just saying everyone has the freedom to believe what they believe in
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1 likeHe's not wrong
13 likesand?
2 likesBut making a mockery of vegan people for what they believe isn't right either
7 likes@Ulisses Mendoza Indeed bro, the Finnish guy is not even forcing JiDion to believe in something, he is just sharing what he sees and seeks agreements with it. And he is calling JiDion’s move in the restaurants is an asshole move instead of calling JiDion an asshole.
12 likesFinnish guy?
0 likes@Zhiqian Wen he’s not Finnish. I don’t know where you got that from his English sounding accent and he’s trying to enforce his worldview of veganism by constantly repeating “animals get killed” as if it means anything to most people, he doesn’t have the objective morality on it while JiDion is stating these beliefs like the Bible don’t have to be enforced on others because he believes in them.
1 likeI mean, everyone has a choice. Why choose to be cruel? Your beliefs shouldn’t infringe the livelihoods of other creatures.
0 likesDude is British
0 likes@Ulisses Mendoza vegans literally judge the f out of people. they don't leave people alone and force meat eaters to go vegan by shaming. screw them
0 likes@Mr because i gotta eat lmao
0 likes@StarvingHub 1 You can eat plants and be perfectly healthy. In fact, you’d avoid many long-term diseases.
0 likes@Mr Thats true but I wont be doing that
0 likes@StarvingHub 1 What’s true of a chicken, that if true of a human, would justify eating a human?
0 likes@Mr Thing is chicken aren't human
0 likes@StarvingHub 1 Would you be fine with killing a human with chicken wings?
0 likes@Mr a human woth chicken wings doesnt exist so why would that question matter? There is nothing even similar to that on earth
0 likes@StarvingHub 1 Do you know how hypotheticals work? Anyway that’s an empirical claim on your part. Regardless I’m asking if they existed would you eat them. I’m guessing you would. Completely sickening.
0 likes@Zhiqian Wen Nah he forced it
0 likesafter i watched this video something actually got into me. i felt a feeling through my soul about veganism. It truly changed my point of view on "slitting and shooting animals in the throat". i immediately got into my car and took a hard right turn. I had no ideo where i was. When i opened my eyes i saw... The Golden Arches. I ordered a 20 peice nugget and a quarter pounder. after eating that i felt like that feeling truly lifted me and will change me forever. Thank you jidion
2 likesUsual can’t stand vegans but this guy was actually a good sport about most of it so props to him
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nah he was being delusional talking about half humans and killing them and shit
342 likes@Deluded Fuyi “slit their throats, shot in the head”
130 likesAdi The Niqqer Lol Fax
28 likesAdi The Niqqer facts I’m not saying he changed my mind he’s just a lot more reasonable than most vegans
93 likesme and my homeboys ate a bunch of McDonald's burger and chicken in front of their crying faces. Such a satisfying experience
29 likesyh he actually rational
1 likeMost of us vegans are rational. What makes you say you usually can't stand vegans? Is it because we have morals and science to back up the fact that eating animals is horrific and unnecessary, the leading cause of all top 10 causes of death, and the single biggest cause of climate change? Or is it because you think we are forcing our kinder, cheaper and healthier lifestyle on you even though people who eat meat are forcing their lifestyle on us daily? Billions of dollars per year go to animal agriculture subsidies. That's my tax money that pays for that. If you want to talk about forcing a way of life on someone, forcing everyone to pay for the failing business of animal agriculture takes the cake.
81 likes@Cameron MacDonald Preach cuddi💯
16 likes@Cameron MacDonald there’s a thread that explains what he’s talking about. it’s just vegans forcing their beliefs on people
23 likesAdi The Niqqer That's sad you don't care bro. This is like if we were living back in the 1800s, and people were like "are black people slaves? Yes. Do I give a single fuck? No. I'm still gonna get me my cotton jammies after this"
20 likesnoone cares
2 likes@One Punch Man The real force is what happens to animals in slaughter houses! Because of our life choices! Try not to look away with your eyes, what animals endure with their bodies. Veganism isn’t a diet choice, it’s a social justice movement.
5 likes@Cameron MacDonald Maybe check again on your undertanding of science, pal. Do you know how many lives the deaths of other animals/insects saves? A frick-ton!! For example, a lot of valuable medicins are made with products that come from slaughtered animals, plus scientists have found ways to manipulate the minds of insects to scout out lost people under the debris of crumbled buildings. This epecially comes into play with instances like 9-11. Those animals have lost their lives to save yours! Basically, the deaths of animals are kept in the back of our mind and are repected. I, and I hope you do too, apprieciate that that animal died to make sure I could live another day.
7 likesAnimals don't have a soul they have no feelings they are here for humans what ever we want to do to them.
2 likesAdi The Niqqer lmao😂😂
1 like@Flying Dove Productions That has absolutely nothing to do with anything I was talking about. Firstly, if we need to sacrifice a few bugs to save some lives, I'm okay with that. Secondly, my understanding of science is quite a bit deeper than yours. You still seem to confuse opinion and science. And I have no idea what you're talking about with animals being sacrificed to save 9-11 victims. Trained dogs helping first responders find people under the rubble of a building has nothing to do with sacrificing those dogs. Service animals and support animals are a completely different topic than animal agriculture.
9 likesAnd lastly, there's not a single valuable medicine we have today that comes from killing an animal. We do use dead animals for some things because there's an abundance of waste from that industry but we don't need to. There are plenty of other ways to get those compounds. And if you're talking about using animals in research, 96% of drugs tested on animals don't even make it past the first trial. So just like eating animals, testing on them to potentially save human lives is cruel, pointless, and has absolutely no benefit for the population.
@Cameron MacDonald people don’t pay for animal agriculture they are their own companies
0 likesWee Fap don't be an idiot. The animal agriculture industry is exactly like slavery. In fact it's even worse. Its like slavery with concentration camps and more torture involved. Atleast a lot of slaves survived it. Not a single animal survives the meat industry. You can choose to look at the similarities and see how fucked up it is, or you can be offended because you can't comprehend the difference between comparing two horrific industries and flat out saying black people are animals. Nobody said that but that's what you heard and got offended anyways
9 likesWee Fap why do you think that? I'm not saying animals and humans are equal. I am highlighting the same justifications people gave for slavery are used to oppress non-human animals, i.e. it's normal, natural and necessary. Also, do you think farmed animals are free? Do they not have their freedoms taken away to be exploited for their bodies? Does that sound like slavery to you, just with a non-human victim?
3 likes@Gerr M what relevance does having a soul have in terms of a being's capacity to feel pain and suffer? Can we not use any arbitrary difference to justify treating another differently? If your God is compassionate and benevolent why would he have given animals the capacity to feel pain and suffer if they were meant to be mutilated and slaughtered?
4 likes@Flying Dove Productions What specific trait difference between non-human animals and humans justifies killing them for our benefit? Would we be okay with torturing and killing other humans if they could benefit us in medical research?
3 likesI'm not vegan but ngl they have a point. It's just the loud minority that drags people away from it
4 likes@Soycrates We actually do this on the day-to-day basis. Have you ever heard of war? Humans will kill anything to benefit themselves. To claim just a bit of territory, not even to get one step closer to immortality, we will willingly kill each other.
2 likes@Cameron MacDonald I'd have to write a persuasive essay to combat your points, including sources from universities and labs. Also, there's no need to be mean, so stop calling people idiots for having a different point of view. I wouldn't call a member of another religion an idiot for believing in a different god/gods no matter how wrong I thought they were. I'm not against or for veganism. You know what, if I decide to do a ton of research and dump my time and energy into this, I'll even look into the devil's advocate of this scenario. Plus remember, this is a friendly debate, so don't take it too seriously :) I'm just a guy on the internet
4 likes@Cameron MacDonald only being vegan ain’t healthy btw u need proper proteins from meat and milk and other animal by products js letting u know
4 likesAdi The Niqqer FACTS
0 likes@Cameron MacDonald you eat my foods food.
2 likes@Soycrates don't compare animals to slaves, are you fr comparing black folks to animals?
11 likes@Cameron MacDonald I’m not trying to be a smart Alec, but you said science backs up the fact that eating animals is horrific. How exactly does science prove that? Just asking
4 likes@Moose Juice because science tells us animals have a brain and nervous system and can experience pain and suffering the same as us. Science also tells us pigs have the same mental capacity as a 4 year old human, meaning they can experience the same emotions humans do. So knowing they can experience pain, suffering, fear, anxiety, we know for a fact that it's a horrific practice.
5 likes@Cameron MacDonald The problem is that science has nothing to do with morality. Morality is a philosophical and religious subject, not a scientific.
9 likesNazis feel pain and suffering. Does that mean we shouldn’t kill them? No. Just because something feels does not mean they should never be killed. It depends on the circumstances.
As for animals, while they haven’t killed millions of Jews, it’s still not wrong to kill them just because they can feel.
They are not people. They are a different species. It would be one thing to eat a human. But just as a lion eats a gazelle, we eat other animals.
We are omnivores. We are designed to eat meat and plants. It is SCIENCE that we eat meat. Our bodies naturally desire and can eat it. The morality behind it is another conversation, but scientifically, we are natural predators. Just as we have natural predators, we are natural predators.
Now, killing your dog or torturing an innocent animal is wrong, but understand we do not have the same relationship with them as we do people. We have dominance over pigs. We don’t have relationships with them. You can, but they don’t return it. They are separate from us.
Now, potbelly pigs were actually bred by us. They cannot survive out in nature. If we allow them to live on, we cannot just feed them and take care of thousands and thousands of pigs. We would lose money and people would starve. They belong to us. It sounds bad, but they are not allowed or even able to take care of their own lives. Wild animals are different in ways, but you must understand the relationship between humans and animals.
They are not the same as us. They do not love. They do not hate. They do not laugh. They walk, eat, sleep, poop, kill, and die. Some are more intelligent, but they are all the same.
Again, the science doesn’t say anything about right or wrong. If you want to talk about the philosophical morality about it, we can. But the science is that we are natural predators. It doesn’t matter if they can feel or not.
@Moose Juice Wow. I would assume someone who's going to write such a long reply would use facts and not opinion to prove a point. The reason animals feel pain is to help them avoid that situation. The fact that we force them into pain on daily basis is wrong. Regardless of your religion, person beliefs or even yourself who doesn't use facts or science. Its just plain wrong.
2 likesAlso the lions eat meat is possibly the dumbest argument anyone could use. Firstly they are obligate carnivores and don't have a choice. They also eat their weakest children so only the strong survive, the rape eachother and smell each other's assholes when they greet. I hope you're not living like a lion. Because that's fucked up. And you must realize how incredibly stupid that is.
Also, being an omnivore means we can eat meat if we have to. But we absolutely don't have to. There is absolutely no need for 99.9999999% of the world to eat meat. Its damaging to the environment causing 54% of total GHG emissions, it's the biggest cause of heart disease and cancer (yes it beats smoking), it uses a ton of taxpayer money on subsidies and obviously it's incredibly cruel.
None of what I've just mentioned are opinions. They're all facts. The pollution and heart disease the meat industry causes is killing millions of humans. So as for the philosophical argument of we can kill them because they're not human, well... you're killing humans in the process too.
@Zillyshroomz Which protein in meat and cow's milk cannot be obtained from a plant-based source? Science says none.
1 like@Leilani Lucas Why do you think that? I'm not comparing black people to animals. I am highlighting the same justifications people gave for slavery are used to oppress non-human animals, i.e. it's normal, natural and necessary. Also, do you think farmed animals are free? Do they not have their freedoms taken away to be exploited for their bodies? Does that sound like slavery to you, just with a non-human victim?
2 likes@Moose Juice What is the specific trait difference between humans and non-human animals that justifies their needless slaughter? The same tribal mindset of objectification, dissociation and creating an 'other' based on arbitrary differences (i.e. species in this case) lended the same justifications that led to the slave trade, subjugation of women, the holocaust and any number of oppressive human endeavours. It is a speciesist outlook to justify killing one species and not another when individuals of either species both have the same desire to live, and capacity to feel pain and suffer. Just because we have the biological capacity to digest animal products, should we? Can you think of any other activities that we have the biological capacity for that are unethical?
3 likesIn this age, most people in industrialized nations have access to an abundance of plant foods. Given this fact and a plant-based diet has been shown to be healthy, it is thus unnecessary to consume animal products. If it is unnecessary, the only reasons for continuing to consume animal products is for taste, tradition or convenience. What justification can we provide for needlessly subjugating and slaughtering an animal that has a desire to live and a capacity to feel pain and suffer? Do you value taste, tradition or convenience over life itself?
@Flying Dove ProductionsNot sure what relevance the fact humans go to war has in justifying globally holocausting 70 billion land animals and 2 trillion sea animals each year in the name of taste pleasure, convenience or tradition? Two wrongs don't make a right.
0 likes@Cameron MacDonald I just want to say, I’m not attacking you or your beliefs. I’m just wanting to understand and have a conversation. I apologize if I offended you.
7 likesI will say that I still disagree. By saying “it is just plain wrong,” you aren’t giving any reasons. You are just giving your opinion. I have no reason to agree with you if you just assert something. I’m not saying that to be rude, I seriously mean that.
I will agree with you that many of the ways they slaughter can be harmful to humans. However, that does not mean it is wrong. That is just what we as humans cause when doing this. There are probably better ways to solve this. Completely throwing out eating meat is not the solution. That would be like blaming the spoon that your fat. Your blaming the wrong thing.
I’m sorry, but none of what you said has anything to do with killing animals and eating their meat. The meat industry (as bad as it may be) is not the same as me shooting at cooking a deer. If I’m lost in the wilderness, I’m not going to let myself die from malnutrition because the meat industry sucks.
The science is that we can eat all sorts of meats. It provides protein, fat, and is extremely delicious. It produces nutrients for our bodies. That is why we eat it. It is simple science.
Again, I’m not trying to offend you, but there is nothing unscientific about humans eating meat. We have done it for thousands of years.
Your philosophical argument only applies to the meat industry which I agree should be changed. But again, there is nothing wrong with me shooting a deer and cooking it if I’m hungry. It’s cheaper than buying beef at Walmart, and doesn’t support the meat industry. If there is a reason it’s evil, I would like to know that reason and how you came to that conclusion.
@Soycrates So I do not think there is a scientific way to justify anything. Morality is a purely philosophical and religious subject. You cannot look through a microscope and prove if something is right or wrong.
3 likesHowever, if you have a standard to base your morality off of, you can then make conclusions based on that objective standard. But if you do not have a standard, there is nothing to prove. You simply have your own opinion against others. And an opinion is not evidence.
@Cameron MacDonald damn bro...
8 likesStill eat meat tho
@Soycrates then if everyone becomes vegans what are the animals gonna eat? Meat?
0 likes@Deluded Fuyi also the shot in the head stuff
1 likeAdi The Niqqer yeah but no one shoots there animals just because when we end up eating the meat we could legit die from lead poison
0 likes@Cameron MacDonald listen man, humans are more valuable than animals because we are humans too. And we are the most intelligent life form on this planet, we are not a cannibalistic species, if you care the same amount as animals or more than humans thats your problem, our goal is to expand into space, cant have our entire race wiped out because we attacked an alien that misgendered the ships captain
0 likes@Moose Juice Okay, I'm not sure what your point is exactly. Veganism is an ethical (or moral) stance against the exploitation of animals. Science is used to inform the objective logic behind the ethical stance. Did you address any of the questions in my previous reply?
0 likes@Soycrates My point was that you cannot scientifically prove a moral. You simply cannot. You can provide scientific evidence to backup your beliefs, but you cannot prove ANYTHING ethically through science.
7 likesMe answering your questions will not benefit the conversation because they only address mine and your opinions. I can answer them if you really want though.
The point is that morality is a purely philosophical and religious subject.
Vegans are typically reasonable.
2 likesIt requires reevaluating everything to come to the conclusion to go vegan.
You have to do a lot of internal reasoning to change your mind from how you were raised and indoctrinated to think.
@Cameron MacDonald you bring up some valid points I cant even argue but why meat gotta taste so good
2 likes@Cameron MacDonald definitely not healthier lol, humans need meat. Just like predators do.
8 likesThat’s crazy this comment really blew up
0 likes@Cameron MacDonald I’m gonna go for a maccies later u want one?
2 likes@Cameron MacDonald bro, Animals we’re sent to be ate if we don’t eat them they’ll eat each other type sht
2 likes@Moose Juice But you're not living in the woods dying of starvation. In a survival situation almost all vegans would eat meat. But we don't live in that world anymore. We live in a world where we consume so much meat that half of the western world is diabetic. Yes that's half. Diabetes isn't caused by sugar like everyone thinks. Its caused by your cells being too full of fat that even vast amounts of insulin can't force anymore sugar into the cells. That fat is almost entirely from animal sources. The cholesterol in animals products is the leading cause of heart disease which is the number one killer in America and most other countries. Cholesterol is only found in animals products. So, even using your logic that humans are more important which is why we kill animals, (I don't fully agree as my dog is significantly better than most people these days) you're inadvertently killing tens of millions of people per year with heart disease and type 2 diabetes complications. Those aren't opinions. Those are facts.
4 likesAnother fact is that animals products are making people obese. Yes other things play a role such as sugar and processed foods. But a whole food plant based diet has been shown in hundreds of studies to not only cure type 2 diabetes, yes you heard that right, flat out cure it within months. Again not an opinion. Just straight facts. That same diet can reduce your risk of dying from any cause by 73%. So while meat isn't the only thing making us fat and full of disease, it is the single biggest cause in the world. So by eating meat we are killing millions of people per year. We are also polluting the air which causes even more people to die. Animal agriculture emits 54% of total greenhouse gases. Millions die from pollution every year.
And another point about how eating meat is bad is that even lions don't rape animals just to produce more meat, they don't torture them their whole lives and they even kill their prey as quick as possible. If you've ever seen a lion kill a gazelle on Natgeo, they go for the neck first and try to snap the animals neck on the way down while also causing it to bleed out as quick as possible.
So yes , eating animals is wrong in every single way. Even if you don't agree with that opinion the fact is that by eating meat were killing millions of people per year too.
@Cinimod Such a solid argument man. I'm definitely not even vegan anymore.
0 likes@Braden Duggan Definitely not healthier? You don't like science or reading do you? There's not a single study that show an animal based diet being healthier than a whole foods plant based diet. There isn't a single nutrient humans need that you can't get from plants. The only food on earth that isn't a complete protein is actually an animal product called gelatin.
0 likesWe don't need meat, we need vitamins minerals and nutrients. What we don't need is massive amounts of saturated fat, heme iron, blood and puss that's in all milk, cholesterol, astronomical amounts of estrogen, and a plethora of antibiotics.
None of that is in plants. We also don't need the 54% of the worlds greenhouse gas emissions that come from animal agriculture. Like most other meat eaters, your opinions don't count as facts. You should do some actual research on the blue zones, the china study, learn about the Rip esselstein, go check out Nimai Delgado who's an incredible vegan bodybuilder, Dr.Greger, and countless others. You'll find that you've been lied to your whole life just like I did.
@Cameron MacDonald don’t know if ur on something but it wasn’t an argument I was just asking if u wanted a maccies
6 likes@Cinimod You're not very smart eh?
0 likes@Cameron MacDonald you can’t be serious? Have you ever went to the gym in your entire life? Humans literally need meet to keep their strength. Of course you need a balance between the two, but meet is a very good source of protein and the body needs iron, saturated fat and such. You also realize that cows need to be milked every day or they can die? Everything you are stating here, along with these dubious sources, is completely biased and false.
6 likes@Cameron MacDonald I don’t really understand how what I have just said gives the impression that I’m not smart but ok. If u want to throw these strange insults around that u have got from thin air then that’s fine, but again I was only asking if u wanted a maccies later, it’s a yes or no question
6 likes@Cameron MacDonald I’m sorry, but you still fail to prove the immorality of killing and eating animals. You simply explained how meat is unhealthy for humans and how you think we shouldn’t eat it. The unhealthiness of meat to humans does not have anything to do with the morality of killing a deer.
6 likesAgain, killing and preparing your own food is healthier than partaking in the meat industry. It’s cheaper, healthier, and actually helps the environment. For example, if there was nobody to regulate the amount of deer in some areas, they would over populate. Which would cause more and more car crashes. I’d rather a deer quickly die at the hand of a lethal firearm for the purpose of eating than for it to slowly die on the side of the road after it caused a family if humans to crash and die.
Now, once again, I am not asking about the health issues of meat. I am asking what is wrong with killing an animal? How exactly have you come to the conclusion that it is evil?
@Moose Juice Because eating meat and any other animal products has a direct link to causing serious health issues in humans which kills millions per year. Do I need to explain how killing humans is wrong? Or is that an opinion as well? As for the over population issue. If humans have only been around for a very short period of the earth's history then why haven't deer overrun the earth and wiped out other species? As you say if it weren't for us killing them they'd over run the world right? So how does that make sense when we've only been here a miniscule amount of time?
0 likes@Braden Duggan Go check out Nimai Delgado, Novak Djokovic, Serena Williams, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Lewis Hamilton, Tom Brady, who are all some of the world's best athletes who are all vegan and then tell me we need meat to keep our strength. If anyones claims are baseless it's yours buddy
2 likes@Cameron MacDonald You are on the ball and it's a shame that these people will not admit it because it's way easier to dunk on vegans online for likes.
3 likes@Cameron MacDonald I have no idea what you are talking about at the end. Deer are not human killing machines. They just cause car crashes A BUNCH. I know tons of folks who have almost died from a deer jumping in front of their car. Including myself. I can only imagine if there were hundreds of wild deer in one area.
12 likesNow, once again. Health of humans is not what we’re arguing. We are talking about the ethics of killing an animal. The only reason you explain it’s wrong is that some humans can get sick and die from meat.
Well, that is how food works. It kills people all the time. If you don’t prepare it right, if you don’t cook it right, if you aren’t watching what you eat. You can’t blame cookies for someone dying of obesity. You blame the person. It’s sad, but he’s the one stuffing himself. Don’t get me wrong, the meat industry probably still has issues, but if someone can’t control themselves, you can’t blame food.
Now, with that said, there are plenty of things that we do that kills MILLIONS of humans that all of us continue to do morally. For example, driving. Car accidents are a huge cause of death. I think an estimated 1.2 million people die a year. That’s around 3 thousand people dying DAILY because of cars. And sometimes it isn’t even the driver’s fault. Sometimes it’s a car malfunction.
But does this mean that driving is evil? Because it kills MILLIONS? No. We do it anyway because it overall benefits us. Am I more likely to kill myself or someone else by driving to work rather than walking? Yes. Am I going to walk? No. I’m not an evil person because of that. I just happen to realize that driving is more beneficial and that I’m probably not going to kill someone as long as I can control the car.
In the same way, does meat (just like plenty of other foods and things) kill MILLIONS of people? Yes. Does that mean that meat is evil? No. Meat is beneficial for me to gain the energy I need to do things. It fills my tummy. Could I rather gain that energy through other non meats? Yes. Could also get to work by bike? Yes. Do you see where I’m going?
I’m not going to ride my bike thirty minutes to work just because it’s safer and healthier. I’m going to take a ten minute car drive because it’s easier and more efficient. Might be more dangerous, but it ain’t evil.
I’m not going to eat 500 peanuts to gain the protein I can get in a steak. It ain’t evil.
Now, with that said, I think we can leave the “it kills humans” argument behind. Please tell me why killing ANIMALS is wrong.
@Cameron MacDonald literally all of those people eat meat, especially Arnold in his prime. Meat is an essential part of the human diet. Like I said of course there is a balance, but both is needed. Maybe you should try to actually eat meat and see that it makes a difference.
3 likesAdi The Niqqer bruh there’s certain animals meant to be eatin without animals where would people back In the Christ times get food
0 likes@Cameron MacDonald just ate a burger and that shit was good
3 likes@zayguxpo We're in biblical times then where murdering your first born and raping your daughter like the old testament is okay?
0 likes@Moose Juice I know why this argument is so hard to get across. "A steak" is an arbitrary number. Is it 4oz 72oz or even bigger? 500 peanuts would give you 250g of protein. That's an insane amount. Nobody needs that. You're just making up Random shit and hoping it makes sense.
1 likeYou're right about the car thing though. Its does benefit us and that's why we keep doing it. Eating animals in no way benefits us. It just kills, causes disease and costs billions a year in subsidies. That money could be going to help people instead of helping mega factory farms become profitable. You know what those subsidies could pay for? A fucking deer fence for every single road in the country
@Braden Duggan Yeah I used to eat meat like everyone else. I was severely obese and felt like shit. I feel great as a vegan. And all those athletes also ate meat. But they don't currently and haven't for years. Aside from Arnold, all those athletes have performed better than any other time in their careers after switching their diet. Brady has won almost all of his superbowls as a vegan. Also meat isn't essential. Nutrients, vitamins and minerals are essential. All of which you can get from plants. So if we can get them from plants please tell me why eating hormone and antibiotic filled animals is essential?
0 likes@Cameron MacDonald I’m flattered that you took the time to find the amounts of protein in a peanut to try to prove me wrong, but I’m afraid I could care less about that. 😂It was an exaggeration. And you and I both know I was trying to make a point that meat is an easier way to gain fat and protein than through plants.
10 likesI would much rather you take the time and explain to me how killing an animal is wrong. But you can’t seem to do that. You keep relating it to humans dying. We already finished that conversation.
And even if all meat in the world was a human killing parasite, then we could just solve the problem by throwing out the meat of animals we kill. We can just shoot all of those deer, and throw their bodies to rot in the sun. That way, no humans get harmed by MEAT.😱 So technically by your logic it would be perfectly fine.
But I feel like you don’t find that fine. I want you to be completely honest. I’m not angry or anything. I just want to understand vegans. I just want to know why you truly believe killing animals is one of the biggest problems in this world. But you haven’t given me any reason to believe this. You’ve just gave me more reason to watch what I eat. Thank you for that. Seriously.
Anyway, if you’re not going to explain where you base the immorality of killing animals (or anything really), then maybe we should just be done. I don’t like having heated, nasty arguments.
@freddysanford what do you think farmed animals eat today? Most farmed animals are fed plant crops. Also we are breeding these animals into existence, as more people go vegan, fewer animals are bred into existence.
0 likes@Moose Juice Yes, well done, I agree. That's besides the whole point though. Ethically/morally/philosophically how do you, personally, in your life, justify contributing to animal abuse through your lifestyle choices, i.e. consuming animal products?
0 likes@Soycrates well, for me, I have a moral standard. And that standard is God. And through God and his Word, I can know right and wrong. And he told all people once they left the ark that they could kill and eat animals, but in return, some would do the same to them. So yeah, that’s how it started.
7 likesWhat is the standard you use to base your morals off of.
@ॐ Boi doesn’t mean it the right thing tho.
1 likeSince I saw some vegans here comparing slaves to animals I’ll compare vegans to nazis. Nazis were taught there whole life torturing us bad, yet they didn’t listen to that and changed their mind to be fine with it.
@Cameron MacDonald you are completely wrong.
4 likesAnimal meat can’t “make” people get diabetes. Animal meat can’t “do” anything. The only reason people get problems from meat is from their own actions.
Who are you to choose what’s best for someone else? If they chose to eat so much meat they get diabetes who does that mean abolish meat? Doesn’t that mean change their own thinking and actions?
@BBaccSoon he’s not. You are not thinking fully about what he is saying.
2 likesHis point is, meat causes health problems when people eat too much of it, therefore we should abolish it
His other point is, it’s not right to kill an animal.
His first point is completely stupid. Just becuase someone chooses to eat too much meat doesn’t mean it needs to be abolished. They chose to do that. The meat itself did not “make” the person get diabetes
His second point is purely opinion based. Early this same guy said he thinks his dog is better than millions of people. So everything is based off of what he thinks?
@Garrison Oh no, I have thought about things like what he is saying for a long time now, so save me the condescension. He must of struck a nerve if you typed all that to me just for agreeing with him. None of your points are strong man. Like, the fact that you think comparing vegans to Nazis is in the same realm as comparing slaves to animals shows where your head is at. Don't point fingers and say a statement is stupid when you don't have a proper rebuttal.
1 like@BBaccSoon whole lot of words yet nothing said clearly you don’t even know why u agree with him. Just a sheep
1 like@Cameron MacDonald you compare an animal life to humans okay. Let your house get infested dont kill the bugs. So animals are slaves I've seen enough of the 2 iq reasoning
5 likes@Cameron MacDonald animals can feel pain bro plants are alive yoo dont eat and starve
1 like@Joshua Chan Ah good one. 80% of the world's plants are fed to animals. So by your own logic, being vegan still kills less plants. Its a dumb argument anyways, but being vegan causes the least amount of harm. Being vegan is about minimizing harm when possible. Not completely eliminating it. Only meat eating retards could possibly think that vegans think they can live 100% without harm.
1 like@Cameron MacDonald Nice.
0 likesBruh, where are the sane vegans bruh? Take me back to jubilee man. Those dudes in that debate were kinda based bro. And Normal!
1 likeI eat meat/seafood/Veggies/etc. because my fat ass love food. My whole family eat food because we enjoy food and have fun tasting different things.
No one gives a care in the world about what vegans eat because that’s them. They have different tastes. But when it gets turned around some vegans think we are the Main villains in a tragedy story. It’s insane bruh. Like Leave me alone. Don’t automatically judge someone as the worst person in the world just because I eat different foods
That’s the difference between Internet vegans and Normal Irl vegans. Becuz Normal irl vegans eat at these places and they don’t give a fuck
(By the way, this dude jidion needs to be stopped🤣)
Adi The Niqqer Lmao facts
0 likes@Soycrates if he wants to eat meat, let him eat meat.
1 likeSchlex Forcing would mean I'm literally locking people up and making sure they only eat vegan food. Nobody on YouTube comments is doing that. Nobody is forcing anyone to do anything here as it's a screen and we can't force eachother to do anything with a screen. What I'm doing is stating facts, and then giving my opinion as to why I love the way I do based on facts. That's not forcing an opinion. That's what an intelligent person does when presented with objective peer reviewed science.
1 likeWhat meat eaters are doing is actually forcing their beliefs on vegans. I am FORCED to pay more taxes because of the hundreds of Billions of dollars that go to animal agriculture subsidies. I'm forced to stay out of public water because feedlot runoff has polluted the water, I'm forced to wait longer for healthcare because of the millions of people thatdie every year from eating animal fats and cholesterol. If anyone is actually forcing anything on someone else ismost Definitely meat eaters. And don't forget the 70 billion land animals and 2 trillion fish that you force your beliefs on when you pay for their horrific abuse and slaughter. I don't think you understand what you're talking about. Maybe look up the words force, to force, and forcing. Or the phrase "to force your beliefs onto others". Might be an eye opening experience for you.
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0 likes@Esteban Moreno he's not reasonable most ppl who argue about being vegan are emotional based animals are meant to be ate
0 likesAdi The Niqqer yeah but dude took it to heart bruh it's not like he violated the restaurant
0 likes@Cameron MacDonald “animals have a brain”
0 likesAlso chickens: pecks the ground for no reason
@Deluded Fuyi it's a hypothetical used to test for consistency.
0 likes@Joe Hayes think of it this way tho. Animals kill and eat other animals. We as a human race are an animal. We are mammals. It’s part of the food chain. We kill and eat animals because we are animals and humans are omnivores. You guys don’t get mad when you hear that a lion ate a deer? It just blows my mind that people think it’s a such a bad thing the way it happens is but killing and eating an animal is not in humane or horrific as long as you do it quickly and painfully. It’s part of the food chain. We are animals too.
0 likes@Moose Juice ur the vegan people can’t stand cuz ur trying to convince people to stop eating meat. Leave it alone
1 like@Cameron MacDonald btw Tom Brady is not a vegan just did some research
1 likeSchlex aye I’m
1 likeGoing hunting tomorrow you wanna come
@Soycrates yes that's why there is death, to end their pain. It is mercy.
0 likesThe only vegans I can stand are those that don't brag about it, don't it to other people and the shaolin monks
1 like@Cameron MacDonald I agree with most of your points here bc yes the industry needs to be changed and that’s why I only buy meat where Ik it’s not had a shit life but if you were to let any of the animals we eat out they would all get killed worse then what we do
0 likes@Hunter Murphy Yes, but these animals wouldn't exist if we didn't rape them and keep breeding more of them. They wouldn't be getting attacked by Wolves in the wild because they wouldn't exist.
0 likesAs for the only buying meat where you know it hasn't had a shit life, what do you think happens to them before hlthey get to your plate? Free range cows still go to the same slaughter house as factory farmed ones. Even free range cows are killed at about 18-20 months when they could live 20-25 years. Just that single point proves you haven't given them a good life. And is it better to take the life of an animal that's had a good life? Almost seems more cruel that way doesn't it? At least the animals in factory farms get to escape that horrible life through the slaughter house. The cow living a nice life in a pasture gets robbed of that life 20 years too early.
hes probably not gonna lash out on somebody whos live with over a 1000 people watching. By the points he was saying he sounds like an angry vegan anti meat person
1 like@Cameron MacDonald y’all don’t have science backing jack squat y’all just say some shit that everyone already new and doesn’t care like y’all will walk into a restaurant and y’all at someone for eating a burger that is stupid y’all don’t have logic y’all go on google and then stretch the truth to the best that you can to try and make people believe some bs that you red on Wikipedia
1 like@Elijah Ezra You have a right to your own opinions but you don't have a right to your own facts. What you perceive as fact is propaganda. There is mountains of peer reviewed, non industry funded scientific papers out there that prove everything I'm saying. I used to be an animal abuser such as yourself, but like everyone who can think logically and critically, I was presented with new information and changed my ways. Just because you want to keep eating meat doesn't mean science is wrong. You have the right to be be presented with new scientific information and not follow what it says. But that doesn't mean it's wrong. Here's a couple for you that are easy as a start. The China study and the blue zones research. I get where you're coming from, I truly do, I used to be an asshole like yourself. But the information is out there and it clearly states eating animals products is the most unhealthy and most environmentally damaging way to eat. These aren't hippie animal lover fairy tale opinions I have. It's scientific information that is available to everyone with an internet connection.
1 like@Cameron MacDonald Well it's life, also how are you vegan and that's your last name lol
0 likes@lol stfu lmfao that's sorta insecurity on both parts lfmao
0 likes@Gerr M and did a animal tell you that himself or what ?
0 likes@Leilani Lucas oh now your mad huh
0 likes@lol stfu so you make a mockery of them in front of them dam you need so validation from daddy or something cuz your putting your insecurities to them lfmao
0 likes@Cameron MacDonald You do realize the point your trying to prove about morality and ethicality cant be proven because thats your believe right. You cant scientifically prove your believe is moral or not, you dont even know whats really moral, its a construct, nobody does, morality and ethicality is something you hold to be true to you. So just stop trying to push your beliefs on everyone else, nobody cares, out of all the things to take a high ground on it seems very odd this is what your so passionate about, but im not gonna say your wrong because I don’t really know if its moral or not, nobody really does. You like to say a lot of extreme things though, like “were raping animals”, it just seems like you have no backing and try to prove your point by using lots of extremes, which doesnt help your case at all, it just makes you sounds crazy and delusional.
0 likes@Jonathon Nichols My beliefs have nothing to do with people raping animals. How do you think we create 70 billion new animals every to be slaughtered. We rape them. That's not a belief, that's an undisputable fact. Farmers jerk off bulls, they collect the semen, they then proceed to fist the cow all the way to their shoulder with a handful of bull semen. That's the literal definition of rape. And to top it off, when they give birth to a calf, they put a bullet in its head if its male, if it's a female it's destined for a life of rape. These aren't "extreme beliefs" buddy, this is what's actually happening. Whether you view raping a cow, jerking off a bull, slaughtering their children and sucking the milk out of their tits to be morally wrong is up to you. But as a society, if we did that to any other animal, dogs, cats, other humans, we would think you're mentally ill and put you In jail.
1 like@Cameron MacDonald I genuinely don’t see any use in discussing this further with you, you are a very disturbed individual, which you will obviously deny, so dont expect another response from me because I genuinely cant tel if your trolling or your just that f’d in the head.
0 likes@Jonathon Nichols What's fucked up is that people like you support that industry. I don't understand how you think my head is "fucked up" when I'm just explaining what happens in animal agriculture. I haven't lied, I haven't embellished anything, I'm just stating exactly how it works. How can me explaining how it works be extreme, but when you buy cheese and support it, that's not extreme? I think you're the one with the f'd head buddy. Just a tiny bit of research and critical thinking and you'll come to the same conclusion as vegans. You sound more intelligent than most people in the YouTube comment section. I'm sure you can come to your senses and stop supporting such insane atrocities.
1 like@Cameron MacDonald You have a problem with cheese too? I am firm in my BELIEFS, so no, we will never come to the same conclusion, and furthermore, I think you should genuinely take a step back, im not saying your wrong or right, and im not telling you what to believe, but your never going to change anyones mind talking like that.
0 likes@Jonathon Nichols Yes cheese. Dairy is the most abusive form of animal agriculture. Everything I explained previously is what happens in the dairy industry. You can be as firm in your beliefs as you want, doesn't change the fact that you're paying for animals to be raped , tortured, have their babies taken away and then slaughtered. If you believe that's fine, thats okay, you have the right to believe what you want. But you can't deny facts when someone explains in detail about the industry you're directly supporting.
2 likes@Cameron MacDonald mhm, ok. I don’t care, their animals, so are we, we eat them, its called the food chain. Get off your high horse, I dont care that your vegan, nobody else does, just stop talking to me about it, and I would recommend you stop talking to everyone else about it, your not trying to perused anyone, your trying to make people feel guilty for what they do, which fyi, nobody that eats meat or cheese, really gives a shit that your goal in life is to stop cows from getting fisted. I know a lot of vegans, its a very popular trend nowadays, your problem is that your weird, I dont care what you believe, your just weird, which im sure youve been told that before, and you can let the cow fisting and vegan shit go because it has nothing to do with that, your just weird. Im sorry we ever crossed paths, bye.
0 likes@Moose Juice there’s no reason to write to this dude because he’s not gonna understand your point he’s a vegan person he’s only going to think killing animals is wrong and Not that animals can over populate a city And can cause car crashes eating meat is not evil it’s good protein that’s what he should learn but he just doesn’t want to see that , that’s on him
0 likes@Matteo You’re the one that likes his own comment so leave it alone man
0 likes@Cameron MacDonald why don’t you write a blog on a different website not YouTube comment section or even Twitter in fact I mean you seem really passionate for your statement I don’t think people care on YouTube as much as you do so you should try a different website Be a blogger or something
0 likes@Soycrates bro why the fuck would you compare slavery to vegans???????
0 likes@Cameron MacDonald I'm not vegan but i think you've persuaded me with your great points. Don't listen to these ignorant close minded folks. They're just sheltered and can't think for themselves so they end up ostracizing what they don't understand and call it 'weird'. I finally see why vegans 'force' their agenda onto others, for the greater sake and cause even if people will think they're crazy and make fun of them. Now that takes courage and i applaud you sir.
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@Cameron MacDonaldperfect example
0 likes@Cameron MacDonald I think that vegan teacher put a bad taste in people’s mouths. So that is the way people believe most vegans act
0 likesAdi The Niqqer Absolutely!
0 likes@Soycrates don’t compare slavery to this shit. You wrong asl for that you weird. Can’t believe u had the nerve to say that shit it’s not even close
0 likes@Cameron MacDonald no offense, but nobody gives a single fuck.
1 likeNah this guy is delusional
0 likes@Soycrates see the thing is, black people aren't animals
0 likes@Cameron MacDonald vegan shit is expensive
0 likes@Cameron MacDonald how is the business of agriculture failing?😅 Are you ok?😅
0 likes@Jonathon Nichols I'm weird for not wanting to pay people to fist cows? You are hearing yourself right? That saturated fat is really clogging up your brain eh?
0 likesHe looks like Penn Badgley
0 likesNo that mf was insufferable
0 likes@Cameron MacDonald “cheaper” also the animals are already dead when I’m eating it so it ain’t matter it going to someone else’s stomach anyways
0 likes@lol stfu what are you, 12? Lol.
0 likesYou really owned em bro. Good on you. You’re damn tough 💪
@Deluded Fuyi he’s delusional but at least he’s pleasant
0 likes@Stoner not at all he was sneak dissing the whole time
0 likes@Gerr M 🤣🤣🤣🤣damn bro.. damn
0 likes@Cameron MacDonald being vegan for ecological reasons I totally respect that. But being vegan because hurting an animal is cruel or whatever is just nature... we aren’t toying with our food like cats or orcas.
0 likesNo he wasn't he was salty the whole time and crying about his beliefs arguing the whole time
0 likesI mean it's nice they he was wanting to convo but he did put a moral high ground to make him feel like he's a better person because he doesn't eat meat.
0 likes@Cameron MacDonald right when you said your beliefs are backed up more moral and scientific is why people think vegans are annoying. As soon as you act all superior and so moral.
0 likes@Moose Juice not necessarily morales to some extent is religious and philosophy but some are heavily based on cause and affect. Like a rapist and a rape victim. After the awful act usually the victim is extremely traumatized and we can see that the rapist doesn't have the same mental state as a more morale person. Something like this is less of a debate and more of a observation. Same with serial killers as we and the affect to the families of the victims and their mental state. And no I'm not saying making people sad equal morale evil as obviously it's alot more then sadness.
0 likes@CNgotham but imprisoning a rapist can make them traumatized too. What makes their trauma different from their victim’s? The government afflicts pain on the rapist just as the rapist does to a victim. Can you give me a reason why the government is justified and the rapist isn’t?
0 likes@Moose Juice a victim did nothing while a rapist yea know raped someone to end up in prison. Sure the prison system isn't the best but at the same time it's a punishment. I'd be very careful comparing a rape victim getting raped and a rapist who is in prison lol. At the end of the day trauma was forced onto the rape victim while the rapist made a horrible choice and will have to deal with the punishment.
0 likes@CNgotham but why is raping someone wrong? Why should the rapist be punished. If the reason is trauma, then we go back to why is trauma bad and why is a rapist’s trauma justice?
0 likes@Moose Juice it's different types of trauma. Trauma it's self isn't bad but causing it for no reason is a sign of immoral action. You can also see similar brain patterns and what not with these type of people. Like I said it's more complicated then saying making people sad or tramatize equals bad. Also I'd say there trauma are completely different. Rapist are traumatized because they don't want to die while it's completely different for a rape victim. The reason isn't trauma it's self but rather the reasons or lack of reasons for raping someone. There really isn't a good justifying reason. However there is a good justifying reason to put the rapist in prison.
0 likes@CNgotham but why is “causing trauma for no reason” an “immoral action?” What makes it bad besides you just saying it is?
0 likes@Moose Juice cause physiology they are mentally disturbed. It's kinda hard to put in words but it's not society to why we have empathy towards others and other emotions to others. So effecting that and feeling that empathy towards a victim. I mean it has a negative impact to a large feel. Usually causing severe trauma causes suicidal thoughts,emotionally damaged,PTSD and ect causing such things with little to no care is not a normal mental state and is very abnormal and mentally unstable. Having lack of empathy and willing to hurt someone for your own benefit is pretty immoral in a mental state. I mean immoral equals bad and bad is pretty negative feeling. So causing alot of people negative feeling for no reason but for your own benefit is immoral. It's the best way for me to explain it. But then again I'm not that intelligent to try to say what I'm saying lol. But if you rape a kid in any society even the ones that welcome that type of shit it still has a negative impact on that person. If anything the child is confuse and may even try hiding it's trauma cause of the society who excepts it.
0 likes@Cameron MacDonald you are literally why people and me dont like vegans at all. no need to push anything when you know its not going to change their opinion
0 likesJidion was real close to pointing out that because one person believes they have the moral high ground, doesnt mean they're untouchable
7 likesDang, JiDion really stood his ground. This was a cool video. I’m really glad to hear you believe in the Bible; makes me happy.
66 likesas an exvegan i LOVED this video. the perfect blend of humor and logic ur amazing at articulating the flaws behind veganism and its logic
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He didn't find any flaws though... We can have a discussion if you'd like.
0 likesJidion speaking facts here. Respect each other's opinions.
120 likesshoutout to him for being a good sport and having a civil discussion
4 likesNgl Jidion is actually smart, he is the type of guy that would rather to be the fun guy over the smartass while he has the ability of being any of them.
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8 likesI was genuinely surprised by how intelligent his points were.
92 likes@David I fw him but they weren’t intelligent at all 💀He ignored the majority of the vegan guys points and he brought religion into it. When religion is a belief that doesn’t involuntarily affect the world around you and isnt comparable to being vegan.
64 likes@Hansel Carmona He was just saying random things at that point💀💀💀love him tho
24 likes@Hansel Carmona how old are you? Jidion brought up religion as a net to trap the vegan guy to turn the argument around. Religion is the truth to a lot of people as well as vegan is the truth to others. simple.
79 likes@C BR he’s like 15 bro of course he don’t get it
13 likesMy videos are similar style to Jidion, I’m a New Youtuber and tryna hit my dream of 5k 🔥
0 likes@Hansel Carmona veganism is a cult
5 likes@Hansel Carmona bruh it’s literally a natural process lol
2 likes@C BR he was just saying random shock phrases and trying to convert a random man. If he wanted to bring up religion he should brought up halal meat etc.
4 likes@C BR He really said “Religion doesn’t affect the world”.
1 likeHe has to be joking🤦🏽♂️
@C BR my age doesn’t matter lmao 💀 He brought up religion because other than religion or medical issues there is no morally correct excuse for animal cruelty and destroying the planet. Even so, I personally believe that religion is still a bullshit excuse. It’s just socially unacceptable for the vegan guy to say that so he didn’t. Obviously going vegan is a lot more expensive than just eating meat so personally I don’t shame people for doing so. It just turns into classism. However, if you have the resources to eat vegan you should 🤷🏻♂️
6 likesIf you think whatever he said was intelligent, you gotta be 10 times stupider to believe so
2 likes@Chris Your point with carnivores is so dumb. Are you being serious posing a question like that or you got carried away and didn’t realize how silly that was
3 likes@Hansel Carmona That religion was actually a trap in the argument. He knew whichever way the dude answered it, he could find some fault against him. I'm genuinely surprised how smart jdion is.
0 likes@Chris It is socially unacceptable to disrespect other people religions because it is what gives people hope and a reason to live. It’s fucked up to do so which is why he can’t just say that it’s stupid and all made up. Yes both being vegan and religious is a choice however, religion is primarily backed on the principle of faith. Nobody is being harmed directly or indirectly by choosing not to participate in practicing a religion. In contrast, making the decision to not be vegan results in animal cruelty and the pollution and deterioration of the planet. Both of those effects are proven by FACTS and are not backed only by faith and/or belief. Your second argument is so stupid that it’s sad I have to explain it to you 🤦🏻♂️ Carnivorous animals aren’t mass killing other animals and affecting climate change. If that were the case there would be an imbalance in the ecosystem that would naturally fix itself. How you ask? Mass killing of prey= less food for predators as the preys population declines. This in turn causes the predator population to decrease and the prey would naturally repopulate. The issue with humans is that cows and other animals aren’t being drastically reduced in population size as we are FORCING the animals to reproduce faster than they normally would.
3 likes@Mr. Mommy You say this while your name is literally "Mr. Mommy". I'm going to assume you're a kid because of your username, so in going to try and explain this carefully. When you make a point, you need to give an explanation on why you believe it. Otherwise, you make yourself look dumber than your name. I'd gladly admit my point is stupid if you can explain how.
0 likes@Samuel Cho I disagree because yes he could find a fault against him by saying “oh you’re disrespecting a religion” but he rlly couldn’t find faults in why being vegan is BAD or why eating meat is good. Also I honestly doubt that he put in the entire debate. It likely was too long to put in a video and I’m willing to bet that the vegan dude made some points that Jidion could not directly respond to. Mind you we already saw Jidion do that in the shortened version of the video.
2 likes@Hansel Carmona Thank you for actually giving an explanation unlike the other dude! 👌
0 likes@Hansel Carmona If humans consumption of meat was regulated to the point where it wasn't affecting the climate and other things, would you still be vegan?
0 likesdid you just call him funny cuz he portrayed himself as a believer in the Bible and that makes him a funny clown? you indeed are correct sir
0 likes@David if u talking about Jidion, what was so intelligent about it, dude pulled out the Bible, its like leaning back to deeply rooted idiocy
1 like@Hansel Carmona No, you have to keep in mind the main points of their arguments, as with any good and healthy debate. Jidion's main point or argument is that they're simply two different belief systems that neither can force onto the other but can still be respected. Of course, every argument needs to be backed by evidence. Which is why he brought up a personal belief system of his, Christianity. I don't think the vegan man was going to convert right then and there, as was with veganism. The debate was not about whether or not eating is good, or being vegan was bad, but rather, Jidion just saw the two as different perspectives and belief systems. In that case, there would be no right and wrong. Just two different opinions, or beliefs.
0 likes@Chris I’m not vegan lmao. Also by that point in time the taste and texture of meat would have already been synthetically created in a lab using only plant based ingredients (scientists are working on this as we speak and they’re getting close). If this happens there wouldn’t be a need to do so. But to answer your question yes. If it’s ethical and not causing harm to the environment there would be nothing wrong with it. However the sad reality is that things aren’t like that so being vegan is the best solution as of now.
0 likes@Chris I’m not vegan lmao. Also by that point in time the taste and texture of meat would have already been synthetically created in a lab using only plant based ingredients (scientists are working on this as we speak and they’re getting close). If this happens there wouldn’t be a need to do so. But to answer your question yes. If it’s ethical and not causing harm to the environment there would be nothing wrong with it. However the sad reality is that things aren’t like that so being vegan is the best solution as of now.
0 likes@Samuel Cho Veganism isn’t a belief system silly 😭. It’s a diet and peoples reasons to be vegan aren’t based on faith but FACT. The fact of the matter is that eating meat is cruel and harmful to the environment. Nobody is hurt by not choosing to be religious. People however ARE hurt by others choosing to eat meat and not be vegan.
3 likes@Hansel Carmona It's a matter of morality isn't it? Whats "cruel" and what's not? What you believe (believe) to be cruel isn't the same for everyone else. That's also being a bit disrespectful to say that no one is hurt when you don't believe in a religion. That's saying the religion is fake and it doesn't provide any moral guides. You're falling into the exact masterful trap Jidion created. And who might be hurt by someone else's choice to eat meat? This doesn't change that veganism is a belief system that eating animals is "cruel" just as how any other religion is a belief system that you can't force upon others because there is no "right or wrong." All on what you believe.
0 likes@Samuel Cho bro read what u just said again. 😐 that’s the stupidest shit I’ve ever heard. You want me to believe in EVERY RELIGION so that I’m not disrespectful 😑. You’re giving Jidion so much more credit than he acc deserves lmao. “Masterful trap” 😐. The entire planet is hurt by someone’s decision to eat meat. Literally all u have to search up is “livestock and climate change” on google and you’ll find a long string of facts that directly connect climate change to farming animals. For example, raising livestock is responsible for 14.5 percent of greenhouse gas emission. What’s cruel isn’t eating the animals. It’s the way they’re killed. In cold blood without any anesthesia or anything. It is a FACT that cows actually cry when they hear the screams of other cows being MURDERED and know that they are next.
3 likes@Hansel Carmona religion does affect the world. human morals come from religion, laws come from our morals. stop denying the truth.
0 likes@spigwender I never said religion doesn’t affect the world. I said that choosing not to be religious has no affect on anyone else other than yourself. I am not religious yet I have morals. Therefore what you’re saying doesn’t really apply in the society we live in where we are born in a world with pre-established morals that the majority of people follow. Furthermore, I outright disagree with your statement stating that morals come from religion. Why? Because animals have moral compasses yet they don’t practice religions. Which only further backs my argument.
3 likes@Hansel Carmona No, not every religion, just bringing up an example of a belief system you may not necessarily believe in...like veganism. Now, the environmental issue with meat, I will not argue with you on, because I'm actually very passionate on the issue of climate change, myself. There's no question there that the meat industry is pumping out tons of CO2 with livestock. However, you're kind of shifting arguments. Since you're arguing that the way meat is produced and consumed hurts the environment, along with the animals...currently...you're not against actually eating meat, just the manner of getting that meat? Meaning, a tribal man who hunts game on the plains for food you would be fine with? In that case, I would agree with you...along with half the other things our modern industrial world relies on these days. We humans are doing a ton of harm to the environment and ourselves in almost everything we do. But that also says, if you decide to stop eating meat due to its environmental footprint and other reasons, are you also not driving a gasoline car? Do you not litter and try to recycle? I'm sure the very device you're using rn to text back is harming the environment in some way (because I know I am). You cant say you're doing this because of this and then completely negate that thing in everything else you do.
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0 likes@Hansel Carmona it’s not that deep
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0 likes@Samuel Cho no my family does not drive a gasoline car. Regardless, that is besides the point. Going vegan is the most efficient way to reduce your carbon footprint. The goal is to reduce not completely eliminate. It’s very difficult to get through day to day life without a phone or transportation. We NEED these things to succeed in society. However, we don’t NEED to be eating meat when there are alternatives that achieve the same ultimate goal which is having proper nutrition. All your other points make me wonder if you even know what you’re arguing. Clearly you agree with me on the climate change issue and you agree that meat should be ethically sourced. So please clarify as to what your point is because I am genuinely confused.
0 likes@Hansel Carmona I'm just trying to understand your point. So you're only against eating meat, because of the way its processed. It inflicts pain onto the animals, but more importantly harms the environment. So does that mean you would be fine with a wild hunter out there idk, naturally hunting and eating that meat. Because I think the vast majority of non-vegans think vegans are extreme animal lovers, therefore don't want to eat them. When in reality, as you've detailed the are other reasons? Is that your point?
0 likes@Samuel Cho yes… was it that difficult to understand??
0 likes@Hansel Carmona Well, like I said, the vast majority of non-vegans, going back to the religion analogy, like non-religious people think you're trying to force another belief down their throats, which no one likes. That's where the misunderstanding comes into play. However, the solution to this problem would not be to stop eating meat, like vegans shout at the top of their lungs, but rather, stop the current way of eating meat. The reason why people think you're against meat isn't because it harms the environment or the animals, because you don't actively try to stop those things. You just stop eating meat (which I guess is stop supporting them, but that confuses your cause.) You would probably be pushing for people to start hunting meat on their own then. No animal killing factory. And no environmental harm.
0 likes@Samuel Cho Why do u keep comparing being vegan to religion 😐. I already explained to you why they aren’t the same. One is a dietary choice that is made to prevent events that we KNOW are true and are facts. The other is just faith in something you have no tangible proof of. Anyways, how do you suppose someone would actively try to force a company or industry into bankruptcy? By boycotting them. How do you do this to the animal agriculture industry? By going vegan and not giving them your money to continue practicing animal cruelty and destroying the environment. You’re honestly so naive. Everyone switching to being hunters isn’t sustainable and would still cause environmental harm. There are too many people and too little animals in the U.S. for it to actually work. We would end up many species of animals to extinction has already happened in the U.S and is the reason why hunting restrictions exist today. In order to accommodate so many more hunters, daily bag limits would have to be drastically cut and hunting seasons would become much much MUCH shorter.
1 like@Hansel Carmona Ok, now you're getting into other issues, like overpopulation, not enough food, something I have been thinking about myself...would you propose a..."Noah's flood?" But that's another topic...
1 likeOh and bringing up religion is still just an example of a perspective or opinion about morals.
Anyways, I think I'm done debating because it's leading into other things, and I think I'll leave it at here.
@Samuel Cho It’s not leading into other things because these are all part of the issue and reason why people go vegan. You just don’t have any more counter arguments bcs they were all stupid 🤦🏻♂️
1 likeHow can you think someone is smart when they try and justify their morals with a fictional religious book? He couldn't even understand that he's literally paying people to rape, torture and slaughter animals when he buys a burger. Doesn't take a genius to connect the dots there.
0 likes@Hansel Carmona David Ramms has the whole hour long video on his YouTube page. Its a great video. He talks very intelligently and raises some great points. He shows an incredible amount of restraint especially when Jidions only counter argument is "the Bible?"
0 likes@Samuel Cho So if you can't be net Zero emmisions then don't try at all? That's an even less intelligent argument than your previous ones. Going vegan alone can reduce a person's emmisions by nearly 60%. Yes that's right. 60%. So you could fly all you want, race as many cars and motorcycles as you want, hell, even use plastic straws and disposable water bottles, and the world could actually handle that if you just stopped eating meat. The earth can handle some amount of emmisions. So we don't need to be perfect. We just need to be vegan.
0 likesAlso veganism isn't a belief system, it is an ethical way of life based on facts.
*Animals feel pain- FACT
* Animal Agriculture is destroying the earth and costing trillions in subsidies and health care
Costs- FACT
*Plant based diet are
healthier- FACT
*Plant based diet are cheaper- FACT
*We don't need to eat meat in today's world ( yes a very, very, very small part of the world needs a little bit to survive but it's less than .00001%) - FACT
*Eating meat is the leading cause of cardiovascular disease and cancer -FACT
*Raping to breed( yes we have to rape then into existence), torturing , and then slaughtering an animal is cruel, horrific and unnecessary- FACT
@Cameron MacDonald don’t cry bro it’s just a comment plus I’m not gonna waste my time arguing on the internet with people that don’t have anything good to do with their lives, anyways since you brought up the topic of burgers I’m gonna go order one thank you.
0 likes@Hansel Carmona Fucking simple lmao 😂, You need proteins.
1 like@David I love Jidion but it was not a good argument at all lmao. He basically just went "you do you and I'll do me" the entire time and ignored whatever the vegan dude said
0 likes@C BR Yeah, and he brought up religion as a argument that says hes suppose to eat meat. The bible also says that he is suppose to be enslaved, and says rape is justifiable and is okay.
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0 likes@Cameron MacDonald You didn’t get the point, he brought up religion because David talked about the “objective truth” when in the end, both David and Jidion have subjective moralities (as all humans), one comes from a lifestyle and the other from a religion and both have validity which is why they didn’t bicker about it.
0 likesAlso you not believing in something doesn’t make it fictional.
@Hansel Carmona bro why did i just read so many comments.. but wanted to say that yours were well-said and im worried that there are so many people disagreeing...
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0 likesThat's called arguing in bad faith. Means you never had a solid foundation in the first place.
@Hansel Carmona are you sped? We need meat to live most of the worlds population of humans eat meat and half of them need meat and animals eat other animals to make more animals
0 likesNot really. When they talked about religion his points were kinda dumb. He was saying "you want me to go against my religion" when Jidion is a terrible christian by looking at all the shit he's done. I mean I like Jidion but you can fool some part of your fanbase by making yourself look like you did well, but you can't food people who actually know what good debating is
0 likes@Sain♱ Nowadays religion doesn't really affect the world in terms of country on country. It's mostly some organisation in the world but it's not that many of them. In history religion was one of the major reason why many countries were separated and hated each other
0 likes@Samuel Cho That doesn't mean that Jidion is smart, that means that he's ignorant and is using personal beliefs in argumenting which is aalways a bad point
0 likesMad respect for talkin for real with him and putting both arguments in. Great channel great guy keep up the work
16 likesThis was pure gold lol glad both of you were good sports about it haha
2 likesKeep doing what you do bro!
This was a good conversation. Both sides raised very valid points.
4 likesDamn what a pro! Has tons of fun, makes everyone laugh and literally everyone is happy. Well done
12 likesAs a vegan, I agree with both of them. Really good discussion.
1 likeI randomly started watching him and now it’s crazy to see how far he’s gone
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I started at 200k
5 likeshttps://youtu.be/9th0oF3uIxo
0 likes@Speedy gaming nigga no one cares at how many subscribers you been watching him since
15 likesLol fake fan
0 likesWdym? This shit is only the beginning
1 like@YoungRook YT damn I was just saying but okay lmao
0 likes@Speedy gaming Congrats?
0 likesI subbed to him when he was dumb low but I'm sooo happy he's blown up totally deserves it better watch his step tho with the tech gods and what he's allowed to post
1 likeFacts i watched a guns down gloves up when they was trending,niggas watched every video now 😂
0 likesDefinitely lol
0 likesFr same 😭
0 likesI started watching him 2 years ago when he made the giving people the n word pass
1 likeFr me too he’s a black Danny Duncan😂
0 likesMy videos are similar style to Jidion, I’m a New Youtuber and tryna hit my dream of 5k 🔥🔥🔥
0 likesI started at 50k last year i cant believe man hit a mil like i believe it i knew this channel was a gem but still
0 likes@Speedy gaming i been watching since November of last year
0 likes@YoungRook YT fr bro 😂
0 likesSame
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0 likes@Speedy gaming it doesn't matter when u started as along as u enjoy his content it doesn't matter
0 likesRemember when he was making videos in school lol
1 likeI use to love so many YouTubers that pranked the world, but jidion is just the best and he makes me just feel happy❤️ love you Jidion you litterely save my days and I’m so glad I found your channel
2 likesthe vegan guy had a very good point and i love how chill he is about u pranking him
8 likesDamn I didn’t know Jidion was actually smart. He was able to defend his points without just raising his voice.
2 likesProps to both of them for keepin it a respected conversation instead of screaming at each other.
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Hello Clarice... Yeah, but you have one of the two who was completely arrogant, spiteful and immature. I'll give you a hint, it wasn't JiDion.
0 likesHe was a lot more chill than I expected him to be lol
3 likesRespect for that guy! He took the prank like a champ, also kept his cool and they had a civilized discussion
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My videos are similar style to Jidion, I’m a New Youtuber and tryna hit my dream of 5k 🔥
1 likeNot really he acted like a bitch in my opinion how u gonna compare animals who in many religions were put here on this earth to eat to humans it’s stupid anytime someone fights a cause they stop looking at others narratives
10 likes@TTB x SaucyBOI you're wrong, the guy was respectful and respected jidion's opinion while having a civilized debate. im not a vegan but i think killing animals is fucked up. animals get bred just to be killed they dont get to enjoy a normal life, why do we get to enjoy a normal life? plus all these slaughter houses are terrible for the environment, there can be thousands of cows at one slaughter house and those cows fart, which is bad for climate change believe it or not. i been a fan of jidion for a long time but the guy respected jidion's beliefs, his argument and his opinion.
73 likes@R how can you eat meat, but then say that killing animals is bad? The only bad part is the in humane ways we do it
5 likes@Dizzy first of all there's no good way to kill animals, second going vegan is expensive and takes a lot of effort and determination considering its not only meat you avoid, its also most dairy products and anything with added chemicals which is over half the food north americans consume regularly.
11 likes@R yeah there is, killing them instantly in open areas, good for environment and humane
0 likes@Dizzy tf? how is that supposed to work?
8 likes@TTB x SaucyBOI Okay notice how you use religions though and say they claim animals were put here to be eaten? Can you not see the fallacy in such an argument? Religion is voluntary and is not proven in any aspect to be objective fact of life. You bringing up this point is the same as me claiming I made a cult and now we have to adhere to my rules. Man made systems cannot justify the actions of man. Pretty simple concept.
4 likesAnd even if you think religions are objective, not everyone else does, which means they are not objectively correct when applied to the world. Using religion is a very weak argument in eating meat vs veganism. You are pulling out a card that not everyone agrees with yet you act as if it’s fact. Please, I urge you to grow up and expand your understandings of the world around you before you start making such bold claims
Ngl he handled it quite well and was very chill, cool and respectful
0 likes@R animals dpnt have lives like is if we dont do anything avout it they just gonna get eaten by prey wich is peolly gonna be a slower death so technically we are giving them the time of their life by feeding them and letting them live in protection qnd giving them a faster death
0 likes@R animals don’t enjoy a normal life, they do not have complex thought like humans, animals have two thoughts: breed and kill
0 likes@Gabe Was X not when they’re feeding them hormone boosters and overbreeding.
4 likesDid we watch the same video? He seemed like he was a malfunctioning robot sociopath who can't take a joke. Learn to read people damn.
1 like@HKROW we do not care
0 likes@R Hey dude! I hope to invite you to a server that has all sorts of vegans so you can get help with stopping paying for innocent sentient beings being brutalized. The vegan diet actually is proven to be the cheapest diet you can think of and we can prove that to you and help you with nutrition and where to buy good stuff! Hit me up if youd want an invite! I also have many studies ready for you to check out so you can prove to others the claims you are making :) Thank you for standing up for the weak in words already it shows strength! Now only your actions are to be aligned.
1 likerespect
0 likes@R Veganism is by far the cheapest way to eat. Beans and lentils have more vitamins, minerals, protein, less fat and a ton of fibre and can be found for less than a dollar per pound. Compare that to even the cheapest beef at 5$ a pound and you're saving 80% per calorie.
1 likeAnimals eat each other we eat animals, it's the strongest who Wins, that's what the world is.
0 likes@R Yeah I gotta agree, killing animals for no reason is fucked.
0 likesOur survival makes it a little less fucked though.
@Radiocorrective i didnt see this message but my dad went vegetarian about a month ago and i've sort of joined him, i still eat some products like real cheese and crackers or chips that have milk but other than that i've switched to plant based alternatives
1 likeJudion saying that he’s a believer gave me so much more respect because he said that he doesn’t wanna make people feel bad after a prank, props to you brother!!!
2 likesJudion I’m saying that he’s a believer gave me so much more respect because he said that he doesn’t wanna make people feel bad after a prank, props to you brother!!!
2 likesJidion just got 100x better knowing that he is a Christian like me who doesn’t care about sharing his beliefs. Best youtuber ever ngl
2 likesBest line: “But there’s no hypothetical for the analogy you just presented” this guy Jideon is a critical thinker! 🔥
12 likesThis was actually a really good convo/debate.
8 likesDo more please.
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no dude this was such a basic debate, man you are easily surprised.
0 likesI can’t tell if Jidion arguments are serious or if he’s joking 💀 either way another funny video 💪
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He’s actually very intelligent. I can tell that he prepared well for this argument
230 likes4:11 immigrant mom's have entered the chat.
26 likes@Gage Boone seriously tho wasn’t expecting this tbh. He actually pretty cool to admit he did wrong and had good points
46 likes@Gage Boone yeah I was thinking the same thing
2 likeshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzaSRqu2ALI
1 likeJust watch his streams and other channel, he talk real stuff sometimes
3 likes@Gage Boone His arguments didn't make much sense tbh, especially the bible part. But it was cool that he admitted that it was a bit fucked up
9 likes@DeluxeBoy The bible part made the most sense in my opinion
21 likes@H M Exactly, it was his best rebuttal because even though it strayed away from the original point a little it made sense when brought together on the point how he would contradict his religion if he went by the other dudes belief.
5 likes@vShaadv a counter argument I would use is that in the Bible, they never mistreated the animals! God said to nurture them, take care of them unless they sinned or for praising! Mean while that’s not what these companies are doing, they have em in small little cages and treat em horrible ! To me Jidion arguments made no sense which is why I said that haha! I still love his content thoe and I am still eating meat!
5 likeseven being the clown he is he defeated the vegan in debate
1 like@Mystic Bazuso Can't believe you actually think that, everytime the vegan had an argumente, Jidion just switched to another topic. He clearly didn't want to view it from the vegan's perspective
4 likes@H M Not really, I mean, all religions contradict each other. Why is he so surprised that this is also the case with vegan atheists? What's his point?
0 likes@DeluxeBoy lol. Vegans never view anything from a different perspective
5 likes@Mystic Bazuso yeah, because they're in the right. i mean, I love meat, and I'm not planning to stop that in the future. But meat is proofed to be unhealthy for your body, Factory farming it boosts the climate change and the animals suffer from it. I still think that the prank was funny, but it was very unethical and you can't deny that using facts.
2 likes@DeluxeBoy you can deny that using facts. Slaughterhouses take the effort to end their lives as humanly as possible. They are bred for meat and have been domesticated for that. Meat is a great source of protein and much more inexpensive than just about any alternative. It's also an unmatched source of protein for non first-world nations
5 likes@Mystic Bazuso Vegans are not trying to ban slaughterhouses, but killing animals in general so your comment made no sense. Also, there of course more ethical ways to provide food even for non first world countries.
0 likes@DeluxeBoy This guy's whole worldview hinges on the emotional argument that killing these animals are cruel and inhumane. That is far from reality. These are animals that are bred specifically to eat. They have no other intrinsic value and cannot survive by themselves.
4 likes@Gage Boone The next video I saw "going through a car wash" PF
0 likes@Mystic Bazuso it’s cruel that we made their lifes almost worthless in the first place. Also, it’s still bad for the Environment
0 likes@Mystic Bazuso All animals are for us to eat and that's it.
0 likes@ֆɨʍքʟɛ_ yes.
0 likes@Mystic Bazuso We could breed animals to fight to the death. Even if WE put that “value” onto them it doesn’t change the fact that it’s unnecessary/immoral. We don’t need to cause all that suffering and it’s fucking up the planet. We need to be humbled and realize modern Homo sapiens are pretty late to this game of life. Shit goes on regardless if we’re here or not. World don’t revolve around us and it’d be in every beings best interest if we lived more compassionately. Emotions are involved for me since you need some level of empathy to put yourself in their position but that’s not all there is to it.
0 likes@Eating_Animals_is_Cruel your morals are arbitrary. Meat feeds billions of people. We are omnivores and always will be.
2 likes@Mystic Bazuso it’s not arbitrary if there’s good reasons for doing them. The food system is incredibly inefficient. We could feed more humans if we stopped producing crops to give to animals. Calories are lost as energy moves up the chain. Plant based dieting is a lot more sustainable. You’re right, we are omnivores. We can digest animal and plant matter. That being said, we could live without the former and skip all the suffering. Appealing to nature does not make all the bad that comes from animal ag worth it. Over two trillion sentient beings killed for unnecessary reasons. Shits not good for anyone.
1 like@Zhady yeah but Jesus ate meat. Or more specifically fish.
0 likes@my grandma has better breath than you sick ass name, and I don’t understand your point bro!
0 likesMan wait until he learns about carnivores in the wild and how they eat there prey while it's still alive like would they rather us go hunt for are own food and stab a cow to death
0 likesThe easiest counter is that nature already has lions eating other animals. What difference does it make if humans are the lions?
0 likesthat's the best part about Jidion lol
0 likesI legit feel sad for Jidion with all the hate he gets, like he just wanted to try something by adding meat to vegan food like I don't see a problem there tbh
4 likesExpected a vegan teacher vibes but this was a crazy discussion. Unexpected from JiDioN
2 likeshe seems like a good guy and it makes sense what he says
1 likeYou handled it pretty well, especially against someone who brings misconceptions into arguments.
1 likeSeriously tho, him bringing misconceptions about the bible when he’s clearly ignorant made me a bit upset and I’m not even a Christian.
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bro what? literally he said true things
3 likes@there is no real me fr
0 likesThat guy was pretty chill he just wanted jidion to not create a mockery out of it
1 likeWhen JiDion gets professional it gets good.
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The rapture is soon, repent and Jesus loves you everyone
46 likesProfesional? If you're twelve. This is kinder garden level debating.
34 likesStunts are never stopped after Jackass crews. I missed Jackass stunters (Steve-O, Johnny, Ryan etc). I'm glad new stunters of this channel RebelTV, Riceman, Indians.
0 likes@RTT RTT ok dork lol
22 likes@• i like JiDion too but this nigga is not smart. If you can't see it thats on you
9 likes@RTT RTT I think he meant to use the word serious rather than professional
17 likes@RTT RTT ok Rt
4 likes@RTT RTT cry
5 likes@DailyMemes 62 no repent And God loves you God love you more then you can imagine Jesus does God is our ceator our provider our source of will power and Aid Jesus caNNONT HELP YOU THE WAY GOD CAN REPENT TO GOD AND NOTICE JESUS CHRIST AS A PROPHET
1 like@DailyMemes 62 amen
0 likes@DailyMemes 62 amen
0 likes@Supreme Undercover Spasm fax bro, u get it, ameen
0 likes@RTT RTT vegan mad?
4 likes@Tyler rumfield i eat meat and meat only strictly ribs, whole chikens and cow midsections
1 like@RTT RTT k class president ass geek
0 likes@RTT RTT Nah I disagree. He shows he has quite a bit of knowledge of moral relativism and the Bible and that’s a good start. I’m sure he knows even more, this is just a 9 minute video man. Also, I hovered over your channel just now on my phone and it showed me another comment that you posted also under his channel, saying he’s “not smart.” I also disagree with that. JiDion turned childish, funny antics into a profitable, full-time career and I applaud him for that. Most don’t make it and it’s genuinely difficult getting anywhere near where he is, much less staying there. Also, if you watch any of his “JiDion Premium” videos, you’ll see that he has even more to offer on there than meets the eye. All in all, he makes people’s days, spreads love and laughter, seems to be a chill person overall, makes some good, solid and reasonable points all the while making a livable, comfortable, even luxurious salary out of everything in the process and I have nothing but respect for him for all that. And finally, I think the OP meant more so “serious” rather than professional, tbh.
0 likes@Supreme Undercover Spasm Gods don't exist and Jesus was not magic and did not resurrect. Cry about it.
0 likes@playguy200 Gods don't exist. Grow up.
0 likes@RTT RTT OHHHHHH MY BADDD 🤓🤓MHY BADTH STHIR, dumb nerd get girls
0 likesprops to david for being a good spirit
1 likeis it me or does almost every vegan live in a first world country, and is usually financially well off? you don't see very many vegans in poorer countries for a reason, and we're omnivores for a reason. i wonder if they get mad at animals for eating other animals when they can also eat vegetables 🤔
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Ahmed G. no one said anything about the cost of veggies. it's the cost of all of the vegan specific foods, and you can get better nutrients from just eating normal food.
31 likesJust don't see why it would be ok for me to pay for animals to be killed when it's so easy just to eat plant-based foods, particularly in more developed countries.
8 likesDo you just hold yourself to the same standard as animals incapable of understanding morality or what?
@RuD because it's just human nature. we kill, then we eat, we are at the top of the food chain for a reason. only the privileged even gets to have the conversation about the morality of animal products. makes them look incredibly out of touch.
30 likes@RuD you also can't get the required nutrients from a vegan diet, you have to take alot of external supplements, which make it cost even more. may as well eat what's normal.
17 likeseating meat these days is really fucked up, Is bad for alot of things including forests, all sorts of species living in these forests, There is much water Needed aswell, and most important animals are theated in a bad way. These are facts man, but i dont encourage people to dont eat meat its their own choice
1 like@DC Mac you're capping man, Im living proof, havent been eating meat for a long long time. Im 6.2 and in a healthy state, our bodies adjust after a certain time. ik we are on top of the chain, but its the way we treat the animals you know.
3 likes@DC Mac its was human nature but now its mass production, dont you see it?
3 likes@Lenn no, the tool we use changed, we didn't. we traded the bow and arrow, and spears for production. people would starve if they couldn't buy their food from the store, and had to hunt or gather/grow their own.
20 likes@Lenn as i said before. animals aren't humans, and i don't consider them to be on the same level. and just because you claim to be fine on it, doesn't change the fact that we are omnivores, and you're not getting proper nutrients from just a vegan diet. you're going against your own biology for some strange moral complex. it's just not realistic for most people.
16 likes@DC Mac for real, this guys acting like everyone can afford to be vegan
15 likes@DC Mac I will say on the other hand for the vegans, I do agree we should value animals more though. Better conditions in these farms for them, because right now most farms do some really cruel shite and make the animals suffer more than they need to. I ain't gonna stop eating meat, but yeah I'm down with buying meat from farms that treat the animal better before they kill them.
16 likesOr simply cuz they don’t have the resources to be able to take that sort of lifestyle. Why do you think more wealthy countries tend to be more progressive? Also we can’t be basing our morals on animals, we can do better than them.
2 likes@Andres Araque cows only survive because of agriculture, I don’t want to make cows go extinct just so vegans can feel better
4 likes@DC Mac I agree we are superior, but what specifically makes us superior for you?
0 likes@Andres Araque or maybe its because being vegan is purely a privileged idea you people literally enslave south americans for your farms but oh yes progress you know how much effort it is to grow crop? Proper grazing and proper soil
0 likes@Pickle Wart I agree too, the conditions they put these animals in is terrible, but beyond that I personally believe that our sensory pleasure does not trump their life. At the end of the day they are sentient beings too and value their own life, I just don’t believe we should have the right to rip it away from them for the sole purpose of good taste. Would I kill an animal for my own survival, to save a family member, or even a stranger? Yes, but this is an extreme scenario, at the end of the day I do value the life of a human more than an animal’s, but not so much to think that I have the right to eat them for their taste.
0 likes@IOTH They won’t, we got sanctuaries. Also their survival due to that industry is also the reason for their suffering, as long as the industry thrives so does their suffering. At some point it has to stop doesn’t it?
0 likes@Liftism I didn’t mean it like that, you are right tho. It is a privilege to be vegan.
0 likes@Andres Araque we can form social contracts with each other, and it's pretty much a universal thing across humanity. what i mean is that the vast majority of humans think it's wrong to murder one another, rape one another, steal from one another, etc. no other animals do this, outside of extremely domesticated animals by humans, and even then you still have to realize that they're wild animals at heart. wild animals will kill, rape, steal, and torture their own species and others just for fun. the strongest animal gets to set the rules, and the week are mercilessly preyed upon. we are very different.
6 likes@DC Mac you know why they dont understand this? Because most vegans are atheists with God we have order but they purely only have chaos the chaos is animalistic at heart they dont understand transcendentals
2 likes@DC Mac you’re telling the truth in countries like Tanzania, Sierra Leone, the Congo and all the poorest countries around the world it’s about survival you don’t have the chance to think about the moralities of what you eat you have to take what you can get.
0 likes@Liftism can you explain this further? Yes I do know the universe follows laws, orders and it is in sync. But we are different because we are born with morality, Scientist have done a study that says that human babies are born with morality... knowing what is good and bad.
0 likes@David The problem with your worldview which lacks God is that there is no start to what you said to us as Orthodox Christians what transcends the physical is only explained by him morality is invisible yet atheists use it? Logic is also invisible there is background in a atheist sense for that to us it is explained simply because God made everything invisible and visible without The Father there is no world there is no order it is pure animalistic chaos this is why animals live the way they do rape and infant genocides, mutilation, cannibalism if an atheist explained why he obeys logic and morality he surely cannot explain why because of his lack of belief who's to say in a atheist standpoint why should you be good?
0 likes@David The problem with your worldview which lacks God is that there is no start to what you said to us as Orthodox Christians what transcends the physical is only explained by him morality is invisible yet atheists use it? Logic is also invisible there is background in a atheist sense for that to us it is explained simply because God made everything invisible and visible without The Father there is no world there is no order it is pure animalistic chaos this is why animals live the way they do rape and infant genocides, mutilation, cannibalism if an atheist explained why he obeys logic and morality he surely cannot explain why because of his lack of belief who's to say in a atheist standpoint why should you be good?
0 likes@David But since we are made in his image we are not like them at all we are given dominion over all animals they are protected or eaten by us without us it is a harsh world.
0 likes@David also do not ask for interpretations of verses I am not correct even if my interpretation is 99.99% correct the church fathers interpretation is far superior than mine
0 likes@Liftism bro I believe in God, I am not daft, My view on God is just different from yours I think. But I totally get your point.
0 likes@Liftism OK then, but when they say "we are made in His image".. It means we attained some of his attributes. God isn't a physical being, human or a human like figure in the skies. God is a spirit intertwined with the material and God is very much alive.
1 like@David of course our worldviews are different I am thinking the way the apostles and philosophers think I always constantly state my interpretations and others interpretations are always inferior to theirs
0 likes@David Our theology will be vastly different I am orthodox and I assume you are protestant or any other denomination
0 likesThey’re are actually lots of vegans in so called poor countries, such as India for example
1 like@Chillin india has vegetarians. not alot of vegans. most still eat meat minus beef, and pretty much all of them eat eggs, milk, etc. it's not just food either, you'd have to stop buying everything with animal byproducts too. this is extremely expensive and not realistic for normal people considering animal products are in a lot of everyday household items.
0 likes@DC Mac this guy out here spittin facts
0 likes@Andres Araque progressives also think communism isn't that bad, and are against free speech, as well as the second amendment. we shouldn't be getting our ideas from "progressives" in big cities lol.
0 likesA large chunk of Indians are vegetarians
0 likes@Stanby Mode about 25% of them are vegetarian, but we're talking about vegan.
0 likesI'm not vegan, but you're wrong. Look at India. Also meat is more expensive than vegetables so that doesn't make any sense.
1 like@Ramiro Esparza i already addressed india. they have alot of vegetarians not vegans, and over 75% of the country eats a normal diet.
0 likes@DC Mac it's not exactly expensive to buy vegetables, pastas and sauces
0 likes@Lewis gotta buy waaay more than that.
0 likes@DC Mac You don't though, you buy within your means
0 likesFacts...
0 likes@DC Mac jeez ..calm down with facts...I feel you bruh...
0 likes@Lewis yes you do. vegan means NO animal byproducts. most plastic bags have animal products, crayons, nail polish. most everyday items have animal byproducts in them. that means spending way more for a vegan specific option, if the option is even available. it's not reasonable.
0 likes@DC Mac You don't have to, none of those things are necessary
0 likes@Lewis it is if you want to be VEGAN. NO animal products or byproducts.
0 likes@DC Mac It's not necessary to buy those items you mentioned is what I'm saying
0 likes@Lewis it is if you want to call yourself vegan.
0 likes@DC Mac You're not getting my point, you simply do not need those items you mentioned in your life, it is not more expensive to be a vegan in terms of food produce
0 likes@Lewis dude, just stop. you obviously have no clue how many everyday products have animal byproducts in them, meaning you have to get the vegan alternative, which you HAVE to buy instead unless you're just not gonna use soap, toothpaste, hell even glue, and hygiene products. being vegan isn't just food, it's NO animal products AT ALL. you seem confused.
0 likes@DC Mac I'm not confused I'm just saying you don't have to buy those things, toothpaste isn't even expensive, if anyone it's you who is confused by trying to nit-pick a multitude of random objects as if it's the end of the world to buy a vegan toothpaste
0 likes@Lewis that's the privilege im talking about. i live in an extremely progressive city in the US, and used to work in nutrition. meaning i was in charge of all the vegan options. they are way more expensive than normal products, and are sometimes very scarce. if that's the case in a major US city, then it's much worse for people with lower incomes, that live in rural areas, and people in poorer countries where vegan options most likely don't even exist. nice try though.
0 likes@DC Mac all these vegan options were no doubt not vegetables but meat alternatives which aren't even healthy or necessary. a simple "vegan option" is just plain vegetables, rices, beans, pastas, sauces, which are all incredibly cheap
0 likes@Lewis and as i said above. you do not get all the required nutrients from only eating veggies, meaning you have to buy more supplements to make up the difference, which are extremely expensive. you're also completely ignoring the entire non food portion of being vegan. it's not just pick and choose, you're either vegan, or you're not.
0 likes@DC Mac You do get all you need from eating everything I mentioned, and you really cannot discredit someone from cutting a food group out of their life for the animals it saves and the environment damage it reduces just cause they don't buy a vegan toothpaste, how stupid is that?
0 likes@Lewis you don't get all your proper nutrients from those, and it's also not logically consistent. claiming to cut out animal food products to stop factory farming, but just ignore it for literally everything else? might as well eat a normal diet at that point.
0 likesLol most of the population of india is vegan, and meat is generally more expensive here too apart from chicken, so vegan is far from expensive, it would be cheaper than carnivores diet, but yea it dont got all necessary shit for optimal health, but u can still supplement vegan counterparts of those vitamins
0 likes@Wolfy Can I ask where you get the idea that a vegan diet is not about optimal health? I hear people say this a lot but do not understand where they get the idea from. From the journals and articles I've read a plant based died is absolutely great for optimising health, it improves many physiological functions all the way to endothelial function
0 likes@Wolfy that's literally not true, only 20% of indians are vegan.
0 likes@DC Mac you do get all required nutrients, provide any data that says otherwise, and considering factory farming for meat is the biggest problem for the environment and to animals in general, it is not pointless to reduce meat intake or eat a vegan diet just because you don’t buy a vegan grocery bag at checkout. That’s the equivalent of saying we should never make medicine because we can’t give it to everyone around the world
0 likes@Lewis gotta love youtube deleting comments that go against their world-view, so links can't be posted. but there's an article from the BBC where they cite several studies where vegans were found deficient in many nutrients that aren't normally found in plants meaning that they needed expensive supplements to make up for it. the best part about this is that i literally got an ad from a vegan ceo saying his diet left him weak and unhealthy until he developed his "super supplement" so that he actually got the nutrients he needs. such perfect timing lol.
0 likes@DC Mac You cannot be serious by saying you were about to post a BBC article? a news outlet? not even a scientific journal man, what it probably even said was the group was deficient in B12 which is a vitamin no diet can get as it comes from a group of bacteria, the reason people who eat meat get it is because the animal itself is supplemented with B12. Regardless of that a plant based diet is still superior which is why many top level athletes are transitioning into a plant based diet following the research behind it such as the likes of Lewis Hamilton, Venus & Serena Williams, Nate Diaz and more.
1 like@Lewis an article CITING SIENTIFIC STUDIES, but that's magically not good enough for you now huh? youtube won't allow links, but it was creatine, carnosine, taurine, EPA and DHA omega 3s, and b-12/d3 can only be engineered in a lab through algae, or bacteria(those expensive supplements again) b6 you can get from plants but it'd take eating 1.5lbs of potatoes a day just to get the recommended daily amount. of course you won't do even the most miniscule amount of research to find this out. it's common knowledge that vegans have to take supplements, or eat highly engineered foods to offset deficiencies.
0 likes@Lewis you do realize that nate diaz only uses a vegan diet to cut weight for training camps right? serena isn't vegan as she eats chicken and fish, and lewis hamilton thinks a vegan diet is good for his dog. that's straight up abuse if i've ever seen it.
0 likes@DC Mac You wrote all that just to be wrong
0 likes@DC Mac it's especially funny how you talk about an omega deficiency considering that is not true, fish do not produce omega they get it from the plants they eat like anything found in animals they get it from plants
0 likes@Lewis you're talking about the third type of omega 3, threre are 2 others. that's why i specified them.
0 likes@DC Mac Algai contains omega 3 and 9 and nuts contain omega 6, none of which are expensive as opposed to fish, a middle man food
0 likes@Lewis hell even ghandi had to stop eating vegan after his health declined, and stated that animal products were necessary to eat a healthy diet.
0 likes@Lewis the levels of omega 3 in plants is not sufficient compared to fish. you have to take additional supplements to offset that.
0 likes@DC Mac Gandhi*
0 likes@IOTH did you @ the wrong person?
0 likes@Andres Araque when it stops then theyll all die. And a sanctuary for all of the cows would never ever work considering we can barely afford our own sanctuaries for orphans and homeless people. Those animals are not meant to be wild. Throwing a cow out of its home that it’s lived in it’s whole life and the place it’s had it’s traits selected for for thousands of years, won’t make it roam the Prairie like a Buffalo. Look into evolutionary biology and how domestication works.
0 likes@RuD a steak tastes better than carrots
0 likes@Lenn I'm a doctor and I can tell you that a vegan diet dies more harm than good. . Bodies heal themselves but they don't adjust.. don't know where you getting your info from but you should visit a health care professional
0 likes@RuD I wonder how you feel about abortion
0 likesIndia ain't the most well off country and an estimated 20-40% are vegetarian, there are no figures for veganism but in terms of vegetarianism that puts india way ahead of any first world country
0 likes@dan dan about 25% are vegetarian, which means 75% of the country eats a normal diet. alot of people also are vegetarian for religious reasons, and cultural reasons, not health. also the topic is about vegans anyways.
0 likes@DC Mac well your argument about needing external supplements is also wrong, you are just spreading a popular myth
0 likesThe human body isn’t even meant for veganism. We are designed to ingest meat.
0 likes@Jayden Gray that claim sounds great and all but where is your evidence to back that up
0 likesdoesn't India have the largest vegan population?
0 likes@HeckleFieTwoPup it's actually isreal
0 likesand its mostly the white vegans telling poc what they cant eat, for example bashing on indigenous people for eating whale meat in their tradition
1 likeThat's the difference between surviving and living. People struggling to find plant based food have to rely on animals, and I see nothing wrong in that. But when you are living comfortably, why do you want to harm another sentient life for your pleasure? It seems unnecessarily cruel. As for animals eating other animals, they are obligated to do so. We humans, at this stage of our evolution, after centuries upon centuries of agriculture, do not need to rely on flesh, especially in this era of globalization.
0 likes@ChimpBoi69 because you do not get proper nutrients from a vegan only diet. you're trying to force unnatural ideals on people when eating meat is perfectly natural for us to do. animals aren't people, and should not be treated as such. people shouldn't just go out and start abusing animals for no reason, but imagine trying to tell a lion or a tiger they shouldn't eat meat because it hurts another animal. it just doesn't make sense.
0 likesvegan is for ri h people.
0 likesliterally
0 likesthey never consider the fact that a lot of ppl cant afford to replace their whole diet with non meat.
1 likeGeorge G. huh?
0 likes@Lenn you anecodte means nothing lmao
0 likes@dan lmao that doesnt put india ahead of anything chief.
0 likes@ChimpBoi69 lol ppl like you always rely on appeal to emotion fallacy. You do realize that isnt an actual argument right? Keep trying
0 likesGeorge G. ah yes it must mean you are right lmao
0 likes@DC Mac
0 likesBeans and rice are really cheap. It's the meat substitutes, (that even Vegans keep at a minimum) that are expensive.
Thank yourself for where you got yourself. You did all man 😘🥳🥳 happy new year!
1 likeI know I’m late actually just discovered you yesterday and I’ve watched at least half your videos LOL. Love the context my guy. Also this whole video sequel really got my pumped and ready to argue with vegans cause it dawned on me, like yo why they so pressed about these animal lives when eating them is a way of life? And protesting and stuff like that… but these people are the same people who also have iPhones and Nike shoes. And we all know how those are manufactured, and all the peoples lives who are hurt in the process. So I asked my girlfriend it’s like what do they prioritize, human life or animal life? And she was upset with me because I was kinda knocking vegans, but I’d challenge them any day.
0 likesYo JiDion was speaking straight facts with the beliefs and how what’s moral is completely subjective and that his moral compass is the Bible and vegans made what their moral compass is, really philosophical, this stuff is the kind that real smart guys talk about
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Sure, but at the end of the day this can justify anything. Causing less suffering on animals is just better for society.
0 likes@Mr But who are you to say that not killing animals is “better for society” though? That is determined differently amongst many different people. There might be people who believe that killing more animals benefits society more so than it doesn’t. How can you justify your subjective moral view point on not wanting to kill animals over the opposite? This might sound ridiculous and like a game of semantics, but it’s a rational question. This is why JiDion’s rebuttal to the vegan’s “moral” argument is something to think about. JiDion bases his subjective morality off of an objective standard that comes from God and the Bible, BUT he realizes not everyone believes the objective standard he believes and that various people have different subjective moral views.
0 likes@Whitz Animal rights are a logical extension of human rights. Current morality demands consistency. If you value humans, can you name the trait that animals have that justifies murdering them? If you wouldn’t murder dogs, that’s even worse for you since you’d have to name the trait that differentiates a dog and, say, a pig.
0 likes@Whitz It’s better for society since veganism promotes health, the environment, and wellbeing.
0 likes@Mr why are animal rights a logical extension of human rights? Is there some kind of standard you’re basing that off? Is it just an altruistic view that you assume many others have? I’ll admit, it seems as if most people share many similar moral judgments, but not everyone does. Also, I never said I value humans. It’s safe to assume that I would, since many others do… and I DO value humans, but there are other humans who might not. That’s the thing. It can’t be assumed that everyone shares the consistencies of one’s particular moral judgment. Stalin is a good example of someone who doesn’t value human life. It can’t be assumed, unless there was a higher standard that humans should follow. That’s also what I believe (Higher power has given us a standard), but I know other people don’t use that for their moral compass, so I can’t assume everyone shares my moral views.
0 likes@Whitz I literally mentioned the standard in the comment you replied to. Name the trait. I recommend watching the video ‘A Meat Eater’s Case for Veganism.’
0 likesthat vegan guy was cool. he was chill but also got heated and wasn't mad at the prank LOL
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He wasn’t mad at the prank because by the end of it he was likely glad JiDion bought and ate a vegan burger.
65 likesBefore David knew it was a vegan burger, like he said in the beginning, he was expecting the prank to happen.
We live in a non-vegan world. Vegans constantly are witnessing people partaking in violence against animals. It’s not unusual for vegans to see non-vegan behavior. We all are in the same world where eating animals is viewed as normal.
@ॐ Boi back in the day slavery was normal, does that mean it’s correct
3 likes@Kdog Garvey neither of yall make sense
68 likesYa if all vegan influencers ( don’t know if that’s what they’re called ) we’re like this guy and could actually have a convo without flipping out and speaking totally irrational more people would listen.
16 likes@Kdog Garvey what does slavery have anything to do with this situation
18 likes@Yanaclipzz read what Boi said
0 likes@Bada Bing I serve at a restaurant, I’m pescatarian I only eat fish and vegetables. I’ll eat fish about once a week, people ask me all the time if I think this entree is good when I’m serving tables and I’m talking in reference to meat included entrees (chicken or whatever it is) and I tell them I haven’t had it and they always ask why so I tell them, but I don’t judge them for eating meat. I personally don’t eat meat to keep my body healthy mainly, yet deep down I t’s also nice to know I’m not contributing to the death of pigs, cows, chicken, bison, etc. I personally don’t want them to have to stand in shit and be put in a factory line, executed one by one, it’s messed up it’s sad, yah I like the taste of a good burger, I like a Popeyes chicken sandwich but I don’t eat that anymore because not only can eating meat cause a ton of health issues, it also is a living being. I know fish are too, they are also living but I hope you can somewhat understand what I’m saying. I ate meat my whole life growing up until age 24 and I’ve been pescatarian for about 7 months now, I honestly enjoy it and I believe I’m making a positive difference.
2 likes@Kdog Garvey yes and I will say again what does slavery have anything thing to do with this his comment says slavery has completely nothing to do with being vegan or not your trying to make a reference with slavery has nothing to do with the argument
9 likes@Yanaclipzz he is saying that we live in a world where eating meat is normal. If something is normal that doesn’t mean it’s right. Just like slavery was normal many years ago, even though it wasn’t right
1 like@Kdog Garvey when slavery was happening, it very much was viewed as right and normal. comparing the rape/torture/starvation/forced labor humans committed on eachother (and still do) to killing animals for food is really unintelligent. Slavery is much much worst
9 likes@Ashy Slashy you do realize that animals are not much different from us right? They feel pain just like we do. So if we don’t have to kill them to survive why kill them? Cause they taste good? I bet humans taste pretty good as well, but we don’t kill them because we have relationships with them. Just like we don’t kill our pets.
0 likes@Kdog Garvey you act like we arent omnivores. It's in our nature. Enslaving human beings wasnt
14 likes@Kdog Garvey such a shitty comparison
12 likes@Skidster then why are there so many vegans? Because we can healthily survive without meat. Just cause it taste good doesn’t mean we should eat them. Would you eat your pet? No because you have a connection to it. Those animals you are eating had families and you took that away from them
0 likes@Skidster ???? Bruh slavery is in our nature and in our world still today LMAO, the fuck you on about, modern day slavery is alive and well, and there are still many people who believe people are below them and will use them to stay above. Just because theres no chains, doesn’t mean its not slavery lol, wage slavery too
0 likes@Skidster cretin yt boy
0 likes@Kdog Garvey animals can healthily survive without meat as well, and yet they still eat it, its the food chain and basic biology. as a non-vegan, i respect your beliefs but also believe that you should not enforce what you think on others
5 likes@salad23 you can do whatever you want. I’m not forcing you to do anything. I’m simply telling you why I’m vegan. I respect your choices, all I’m doing is telling you why I have these beliefs. Animals brains aren’t as developed as us. We are smarter then all animals, so we understand everything about the world. Some animals can’t survive without eating meat. It’s very simple to understand that killing animals is wrong. They feel pain just like us, you don’t eat your pets right? So why kill an innocent animal.
0 likes@Kdog Garvey Plants are living beings that reproduce, eat, grow, breathe, etc. Do you feel guilt for killing them? Or do you consider them lesser simply because they cannot scream in pain and communicate with you that you're hurting them? People have connections with plants too and dearly love the Earth itself and some even sing and talk to their plants. The reality is, no matter what you do, in order for you to live something else has to die so you can nourish your body. This is nature and it will never change no matter how angry or sad you get, live in this reality accepting that fact and choose to eat what you wish, but expecting everyone else to survive the same exact way as you is futile and has no real purpose.
10 likes@Pickle Wart you got it all wrong. When we kill insects by breathing, when we walk we kill ants. It is impossible to live without killing anything. So we try to cause the least amount of suffering. Plants do not have brains, or pain receptors so they do not feel pain like humans or animals. Bring vegan is to try cause the least amount of pain.
0 likes@Pickle Wart we kill insects by breathing*
0 likes@Kdog Garvey you're uneducated on the subject and operating on confirmation bias while virtue signaling all at the same time. To cause an animal pain and suffering. Do you know anything about venison? Do you know anything about fish stock? Without the culling of these animals they would be riddled with diseases and become no more. Do you go to the zoo and virtue signal to top predators over their diets? You do realize humans are the alpha predators for a reason. Humans teeth and digestive systems are equipped to chew and process flesh for a reason. A vegan in the wild would wither away from lack of necessary trace elements that are not found in plants, you would not have the luxury of going to whole foods for selecting a supplemental diet. If you don't eat meat cool but stop the virtue signaling bs, you're ignorant to the life cycle of animals as well as how animals are processed. Also people do eat dogs, cats, ferrets, and any other pet you can imagine. Americans are not forced to do that because they are not starving to death. With few exceptions vegans are by far the most unhealthy people in society. How does a person weigh 300lbs at 5'8 if they are healthy? Why are vegans frail and miserable people? They are the opposite side of the same coin of diabetic beer chugging, cheeseburger eating lunatics. Bambi is in the tree needing to be broken down, the heart is power.
6 likes@dingusfuzz klon nkt275 in every single spot there a vegan athletes. They do especially good in physical sports like mma or weight lifting sports. Just because it taste good doesn’t mean it’s the right thing to do. People say you don’t get enough protean. But that’s simply not true. You don’t only get protean from meat. Every vegan I know is perfectly healthy and happy. When I said you wouldn’t eat your pet I was talking about your dog, Kat etc. cause you have connections to them and feel close to them. But that’s so hypocritical because that meat you are eating are dead animals, they had families. I’m sorry I don’t take the easy route, Eating meat cause it’s cheaper, easier. I actually see why it’s wrong. You should really do some research on why eating meat is discussing and wrong. I’m not gonna sit here and force you to be vegan. I’m just telling you why I am
0 likes@Kdog Garvey then why are we omnivores? why are our teeth made to eat meat? why are we the top of the food chain?
7 likes@GigaMaster Almas if we are made to eat meat then why are vegans perfectly healthy? just cause we have teeth doesnt mean we have to. they feel pain just like us. we are the smartest animals we should understand this. just cause it taste good doesnt mean its right. i bet you wouldnt eat your pet, even though it would taste great
0 likes@Kdog Garvey and we are healthy too right? in the food chain life is ruthless and prey just have to live with us. we were given brains for a reason, not to pity over food that will die to some other animal a few minutes later
7 likes@GigaMaster Almas if your fine with killing an animal cause it taste good, you can do that. but if i can live a healthy life without harming animals i am gonna do that.
0 likes@ॐ Boi i mean it is normal like sure it’s wrong but at the end of the day it’s normal and how we’ve survived as a species you wouldn’t be here today without animals dying in order for our ancestors to eat and survive
2 likesyea why he getting heated though thats just stupid bro just accept everyone no point in picking sides
0 likes@ॐ Boi yea still though you can see his frustration clouding his thinking
0 likes@Yanaclipzz he was talking about the past in general
0 likes@Bada Bing I think youll find that most are. You only see the bad side of veganism cuz you aren't tapped in to the culture. Most chill vegans aren't militant abt it so you don't hear them talk abt it unless you ask. The bad ones are a loud minority fs.
0 likes@ॐ Boi it is normal, it's not 'viewed' as normal
0 likes@Kdog Garvey when you compare things make sure it makes sense, not only to yourself
2 likes@Kdog Garvey humans are meant to be omnivorous. Animals also kill each other, but I don't see y'all mad abt that. Also comparing this to slavery just makes you look even worse and racist
2 likes@Kdog Garvey think you're forgetting some people literally need to eat meat 🤦🏾♀️
0 likes@Nya animals can’t think the same as us. There is a reason we are the smartest animal’s we are insanely smart! You can’t hold animal’s to the same Standards as us. Some animals also need to eat meat. You see some animals that are vegetarian, but a lot need to eat it. Humans don’t that’s why you see humans completely healthy being vegan. The reason I’m vegan is cause I don’t want to kill animals just cause they taste good. Really think about it. You can get protein and all that stuff from vegan sources. The only reason you are killing helpless animals is cause they taste good
0 likes@Kdog Garvey nope I actually need to eat meat. There are a lot of people like me who need to be omnivores. Sorry to break it to you but not everyone wants to be a vegan or vegetarian
0 likes@Kdog Garvey I don't gaf why you're a vegan but leave other people alone 😭! They can eat whatever they wanna eat tf 💀💀
0 likes@Kdog Garvey this why ppl hate y'all damn
0 likes@Nya obviously there are some people who need to be omnivores, but it is very rare. I respect any decision people make. I’m just saying why I am. If you do not have to eat meat then I don’t see how you could say being vegan is wrong.
0 likes@Nya y’all just think every vegan is crazy. Even though I’m trying to explain to you why I’m vegan.
0 likes@Kdog Garvey there's nothing wrong with being vegan, but what's wrong here is that you're comparing it to slavery.
1 like@Kdog Garvey no one cared why you're vegan bro just don't compare that shit to slavery 😭
0 likes@Kdog Garvey some of us need meat to actually live
0 likes@Puffsed I just said that I know that. But most people don’t. Some people need to not eat meat to survive, Some people are born with 11 toes. But it’s kind of rare
0 likesYea he’s just a passionate guy
0 likesnice guy but way too opinionated
0 likes@Kdog Garvey It’s not really like you can just release cows and pigs into the wild and they’ll thrive. They’ll get torn apart by predators and die much more painfully. Cows and pigs are domesticated animals and they were evolved to become food basically. You can’t really compare them with pets because pets weren’t domesticated to be eaten they were domesticated to serve as companions to us
0 likes@Joseph Stalin you don’t have to kill them. What a lot of people do is they take care of them. Like you would with a pet. But so many animals are getting reproduced and killed for no reason. If people would stop eating meat they wouldn’t need to reproduce or kill anymore. You see all animals live in the wild. But I think we kill way more by eating meat. If there’s no need for meat they will stop having to kill animals for it
0 likes@Kdog Garvey bruh are you comparing slaves to animals 🤨
0 likes@Poopy Joe animals have brains just like us and feel pain just like us. So why would we kill them? Cause they taste good?
0 likes@Kdog Garvey Alright I see your point but your previous analogy was pretty bad
0 likes“animals get shot and throats slit everyday”
0 likesHe repeats it thinking that we, normal people, give a shit LMAOO
I'm sorry guy but we on top, that's their purpose for us. They give us pleasure and substinence.
@First name Last name that is just sickening that you think like that. The animals there killing have thoughts, families and feel pain just like we do. And you think it’s right to kill them just cause they taste good?
0 likes@Kdog Garvey "The animals there killing have thoughts, families and feel pain just like we do" proof?
0 likesComplex thoughts? How complex?
Yes, I do think it's right.
It is how it is, we are the superior species and in nature the superior species eats from the less superior ones.
Also, you know that eating plants would also be messed up since they are living.
@First name Last name plants do not have brains and can’t feel pain. What Veganism is about is causing the least amount of suffering to animals. We are the smarter then every animal so we should understand how it’s wrong to kill them just cause it taste good when there are other way to live.
0 likes@Kdog Garvey "We are the smarter then every animal so we should understand how it’s wrong to kill them just cause it taste good when there are other way to live"
0 likesbut why is that wrong? Explain.
@Kdog Garvey Also, what complexity do animals have. You never answered :) Why does a brain matter? Do they have consiousness? To what degree?
0 likes@First name Last name they feel pain just like us. They also have families, and communicate. They are just like us. How would it be right to kill an animal just cause it taste good? You wouldn’t kill your pet, cause you have a connection with it? It’s not right to take an animals life away, for a cheeseburger. Humans prolly taste good would you eat a random human that you don’t know?
0 likes@Kdog Garvey "Humans prolly taste good would you eat a random human that you don’t know"
1 likeNo, because they are human.
No, I don't eat pets (wether its a dog, cow, pig, turtle, etc), because their purpose is being a pet not food.
However, I will eat animals that are meant to be eaten.
Once again, you have claimed all these opinions with no links to any evidence. You have no evidence that they experience anything sophisticated.
You have also NOT answered why it is morally wrong to eat other animals.
@Kdog Garvey "They are just like us" LMAO
1 likeIf they were then I wouldn't have been able to eat them just now :)
@First name Last name please read what I said. I don’t think you are understanding what I’m saying. How is it fair for a animal meant to be a pet? But the same animal be brutally killed? They are the same animal. How do you not know Animals have feelings and pain? It’s a fact. Look it up.
0 likes@Kdog Garvey "brutally killed"this ins't necessary. That are more humane/reasonable ways of killing.
1 likeThey do to some extent, but it's not as sophisticated and once again there you go ignore my other questions lol
@Kdog Garvey Why did u say "They are just like us" lol
1 likeIf they were then I wouldn't have been able to eat them just now :)
You implied that it was ok to kill things that are alive if they do not feel pain and have no emotions. Is that correct? If so, why does this matter?
There are definitely animals and humans that fall under that category yet it would not be right to eat them. So what can and cannot be eaten?
Plants are indeed alive and RESPOND to different stimuli just like humans respond, why can we kill them?
Also, animals provide a cheaper and easier alternative than non-meat products at getting essential nutrients. Why should I spend more money to save the lives of other animals? Why should I prioritize themselves or me? My family?
@First name Last name I’ve answered it every time😂 go back and read! You clearly have never seen a slaughter house
0 likes@Kdog Garvey No, you didn't.
0 likesWhy did u say "They are just like us" lol
If they were then I wouldn't have been able to eat them just now :)
You implied that it was ok to kill things that are alive if they do not feel pain and have no emotions. Is that correct? If so, why does this matter?
There are definitely animals and humans that fall under that category yet it would not be right to eat them. So what can and cannot be eaten?
Plants are indeed alive and RESPOND to different stimuli just like humans respond, why can we kill them?
Also, animals provide a cheaper and easier alternative than non-meat products at getting essential nutrients. Why should I spend more money to save the lives of other animals? Why should I prioritize themselves or me? My family?
@First name Last name if you breath your killing insects, if you step on the ground your killing ants. It’s impossible to live without killing something. But it’s way better to kill a plant that doesn’t have thoughts, and doesn’t feel pain. Then to kill a animal that are just like us. The only difference is we are smarter. Think about it. Animals have all the properties humans have. Just less smart. I don’t think it’s right to eat thousands of animals year. It’s also healthier to eat more veggies. You can say you don’t get enough protein, but that’s simply not true. You see athletes in every single sport who are vegan and do incredibly well. The tormenter is even vegan. You can have a different belief then me and that’s completely fine. I’m just trying to tell you my POV. I think it’s wrong to kill a living being when there are other alternatives
0 likes@Kdog Garvey "Then to kill a animal that are just like us" quit saying this, they aren't lol
0 likesLike I said, it is cheaper and more convient to get the nutrients from meat rather than from solely a green diet. Why should I spend more money that I don't have?
Also, when did I say exclusively protein? There are many other nutrients gained from eating meat.
Do you place humans above other animals?
If so, then their purpose is to feed us and help us sustain a population that we desire.
@First name Last name is a rich person better then a poor one? We are all animals, we are just smarter. How can you argue this. It’s a fact. You think being vegan is so expensive when it’s not. There are so many cheep options out there. You just gotta have a opened mind. I thinks it’s very dumb to eat meet because it’s cheaper.
0 likes@Kdog Garvey you thinks that?
1 likeI'm done going in circlers with u LOL
Imma continue to eat meat daily :)
@First name Last name you do what you want to do, I don’t think you want to understand what im saying tho
0 likes@Kdog Garvey you actually compared black people getting tortured to eating animals. THIS. THIS.. is why I and everybody else HATES VEGANS. 🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️
0 likes@Jesus Christ doesn’t make it right tho :/
0 likes@Kdog Garvey All of life has what's called a food chain. We worked our way to the top through technology allowing us to kill whatever animal poses a threat as a predator. We also learned what animals are easiest to herd and reproduce in mass amounts in order to keep a steady supply of food for everyone in the world. We also keep pets of certain animals as we most likely ate them years ago, but realized they can also be obedient and follow orders when trained which leads us to not eat these animals, but keep them as part of the family. Is it wrong to kill animals? No. Is it wrong to mass murder them in factories? Yes, but at the same time, their whole life was meant for people to eat them. Every animal on the planet except us is inevitably going to be eaten by a predator. But again, killing them in factories where they can't really live their life is also super fucked up and that aspect should be looked at. I'm all for natural meat production, but I don't think that will happen. That's the first step though in fighting animal abuse, but remember that all animals will be eaten in some sort of way, so why wouldn't we have systems in place to make our lives better.
0 likesW vegan
0 likesI’m not gonna lie I agree with David
0 likes@Kdog Garvey I tried human before and it was horrible
0 likesJiDion honestly had a good point about the religion topic
7 likesJiDion can literally have a 20 min argument yet still it’s not boring bc of how funny this man is
0 likesTrue legend pranks a guy out of this world then rationally debates with him
1 likeI like how you pranked him and then destroyed him in a debate too. Nice
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he did not destroy him. he could barely counter argue the vegan dude's points. still rock wit him tho
0 likesWatching this made me realize how intelligent Jidion is how much he knows about the bible I did not think this man was the smart.✝️✝️
0 likesI actually really liked how you respectfully argued with him and made him accept that your opinion isn't the same as his, and you still love him as a person. This is how people start making people who are wrong think more. Good job bro bro
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@26 Mic no
9 likes@26 Mic no
1 like@26 Mic bruh lol
0 likesofc the man with a logic pfp wrote this
2 likes@26 Mic I make entertaining videos just like JiDion. I bet 100% it'll make u laugh if not u can come to tell me fam
1 likehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzaSRqu2ALI
0 likesI agree man but the vegan guy started talking about human like animals as a hypothetical when we literally have monkeys. Monkeys are the closest animals to humans and we don’t eat monkeys so his statement didn’t make sense
1 likeNice profile pic 👍
2 likesBro I hope this comment was a joke cuz his intention the whole time was to disrespect him LOL
1 like@Kieran i aint ashamed to be white i aint ashamed to be black i aint afraid of my beautiful mexican wife as a matter of fact
1 like@GavinMcleod6162 your making no sense yourself because people do eat monkeys....
2 likesAre you saying the vegan is wrong ? If so that makes no sense whatsoever lol
4 likes@GavinMcleod6162 He was basically trying to use the "name that trait argument". The argument says it name a trait in animal, that if that trait existed in a human then it would justify eating the human for some bacon made from human. Remember that we are not talking about survival situations and that humans can be healthy on a vegan diet.
6 likesOne example is a fish's intellegence. If a human had a fish's intellegence would that morally justify killing the that human for a meal just for taste and not for survival.
You mentioned monkeys? If humans lived in the jungle? If humans had tails? If a human had the same level of intellegence as a monkey?
The conclusion is that we can't actually justify uneccassarily killing animals because of any specific animal traits. It's a lie we tell ourself to make it okay to eat a tasty meal rather than eat a less tasty meal (maybe).
@GavinMcleod6162 uhm plenty of cultures eat monkeys.
2 likesWho are wrong lmao? Whats wrong about being against violence?
3 likes@Kieran yes
0 likes@GavinMcleod6162 straight facts lmao
0 likes@Gigachad no its fr. Look at the bigger picture
0 likes@TVideoupload well those people are fucking weird and clearly it’s not normal or id know about it
0 likes@GavinMcleod6162 dude it’s just another culture , it’s normal to them, I’m sure.
0 likes@TVideoupload it’s a weird culture then.
0 likesDude kept his ground and didn’t freak out like most crazy vegan mfs do.
0 likesS/O to jidion for a having a good debate while being respectful he really the goat
0 likesthe vegan waiter guy was pretty solid though lol... he stood up for his shit
2 likesAs a former vegetarian this is funny af 😂😂😂
2 likesAs a vegan i found the video hilarious 😂
0 likesI like how you actually had a discussion other then just antagonizing him
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Fax but ur a katakuri fan
0 likes@Blaze Ramposs katakuri cool
5 likes@Blaze Ramposs What’s that supposed to mean
13 likesWARNING ⚠️ JESUS COMMANDS YOU TO REPENT OR PERISH!!!! YOUR SOUL IS ON THE LINE!!!!
5 likes@Anonymous Yours first
4 likes@Seivax_MKW yes he is very cool 😭
1 like@Seivax_MKW ong
1 like@Joy 4theMighty Donut & Chainsaw it means you like the antagonist
0 likes@Joy 4theMighty Donut & Chainsaw LMAOOO
0 likesI love how he hugs that grandma in the shop when he was buying all that junk
14 likes“ because at the end of the day, who’s to say that our moralities are right or not?” Jidion makes a pretty good point here
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That logic can justify anything though…
0 likesAs a Christian I totally agree Jidion. It definitely is going against religion.
7 likesI respect the guy for keeping his cool
1 likeWhy do people feel so entitled enough to threaten and try and take your guys’ stuff? 😂
0 likesJiDion so powerful even Tyrone, P Diddy and Vegan Dude can’t defeat him
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and steve
29 likesTyrone and the walmart manager did the fusion dance and they were still no match.
5 likesMy videos are similar style to Jidion, I’m a New Youtuber and tryna hit my dream of 5k 🔥🔥🔥
2 likesOng
0 likesOr lil nas x
2 likesLet’s go I’m the 1k like
1 likeOr Faze Rugs
2 likes@Dripster or savage shawns
3 likes@cabu_120yo Imouto! Umaru-Chan
1 likePHUCK TYRON!
2 likesdababy 💅🏾
1 likeFacts
0 likesSmokin that Tyrone pack
0 likesP Diddy? When
0 likesDavid Ramms destroyed Jidion. Jidion couldn't come up with a single counter argument other than religion. The Bible also talks about incest and killing your first born child. So religion is quite possibly the most uneducated counter argument you could use and that's all Jidion used. You should maybe go take a look at the hour long video. David Ramms makes so many great points and it's incredibly informative. Where as Jidion essentially said "mmmm bacon" for an hour.
1 like@Cameron MacDonald shut
4 likes@Cameron MacDonald don't waste your valuable time here.
2 likesI looked at a few comments and am deeply disgusted.
For most of them there will be a hard awakening, at the latest when they die.
Those who refuse to follow rules shall feel the consequences.
He solos
0 likesAnd Alberto
0 likesseeing him hug the old lady at 1 35 was the sweetest thing i've seen all day for some reason
0 likesActually nice to see how well spoken Demarcus is.
0 likesHis argument on moral relativism actually had him, should’ve kept up with the difference between his pranks and protests.
1 likeAs much as I love JiDion his argument was ridiculous😂I’m not a vegan… at all, but David’s argument was much better
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nah he had some great points
20 likesNo David’s argument was shit no actual points on why eating meat was bad mans just used an emotional argument and said he felt bad for animals gtfo
87 likes@Diaper Turd what do you mean lol, JiDion brought in religion yet it had nothing to do with it lol, like meat you buy in store has nothing to do with it
11 likes@Diaper Turd plus most things in life you do because of your feelings which we evolved for a reason so we don’t feel shit lol
0 likes@Diaper Turd I’m not vegan but I might try it
0 likes@BEHEMOTH dude were you not listening to him? The vegan only used “shot in the head” and “throats slit” as an argument and jidon brought up how his religion kills a goat or something like that you sandbag
19 likes@BEHEMOTH again no point in not eating meat because you feel bad for an animal that’s not even aware of its own existence
13 likesOnly point to male is that out ancestors did it its an instinct to hunt for meat
1 like@Kameron difference between hunting for meat when you’re starving and slaughtering millions of animals in an inhumane way.
2 likesYeah but he had some bad points like saying or making it seem as the people who buy meat are responsible for the killing and making them scared and regretful Wich is not the way to make people join you the consumers are not at fault is more of the system who makes them brainwashed into thinking they're good so they buy more and a lot of vegans make the consumers and workers who need the job to feed their family into the bad guys when they arent
1 likeDiaper Turd ye bro. It’s not like they don’t have a nervous system or anything😂 acting like they can’t feel pain
1 like@bobby m that’s why they put them to sleep why y’all acting like people are knifing animals 24-7 😂
0 likesDavid had a indeed better point thats kinda meh tho animals slit eachother throats too are they evil for that too?
2 likesSuch vegan arguments can be thrown out of the window just by looking at mother nature because she would be the biggest evil of them all then.
And then we aiint even talking about the other side of nature that has too do with plants fruits and that sorta things...
@9166__Dja who says I eat that type of meat I eat organic meat lmao it's pretty fucked but it's part of our nature their is no stopping that what ur describing is humans being cruel not why eating meat is bad when their are so many alternatives
0 likesKkay WettEmUp nah animals are here for us. We believe we were created by God and we are here to be tested and everything here is for us to make use of and most of it we need. Just because you don't believe that, you think you can force us to believe what you want. Naaah. I'm eating a juicy halal beef burger right now. I only eat meat once a week but our brains need it. Bye bye
3 likes@Diaper Turd it's not even all about the animals. Those mass productions cause severe damage to the climate. The mass of animals stored are releasing gasses that damage the environment and climate. I'm not vegan nor vegetarian. I eat meat but these mass productions are a severe problem.
0 likes@Diaper Turd that religion argument is fucking trash, you can use the same logic to criminalise gay marriage.
2 likesKkay WettEmUp “animals are aware of their own existence” chickens: pecks the ground for no reason second I never said they couldn’t feel pain but they are no smart be real it’s not like it’s a horse it’s a cow..
1 like@make out hill very hypocritical of you
0 likes@[-0LT'U Iiii307n again so Is the emotional argument no actual evidence or reason why eating meat is bad and vegan diets are “Healthier” they fact you tried to use gay marriage in an argument is kinda funny
0 likes@Diaper Turd that is not what im saying. Im just saying the religion argument can be used to criminalise homosexuality, justify slavery, legalise pedophilia and so on, the same way just an exaggeration to get the point across. It is an usless argument that is very much an emotional argument—"MY religious sentiments are hurt".
2 likesPs. There IS evidence that veganism is better for the environment.
Kkay WettEmUp first off your 15 calm yourself 2nd how is this relevant to eating meat is bad for you? i don’t see obesity gains info, anything that has to do with the physical body all your doing is stating that the way of life since Stone Age was cruel and guess what if you care about animals do something for them instead putting words in mouths
0 likes@Diaper Turd ok calm down cows are one of my favorite animal as im eating steak rn i can assure you that im not vegan but don’t call the poor animals braindead
1 like@9166__Dja well i man animals aren't human so the " inhuman wayy" comment
0 likes@Diaper Turd looking at it form a moral view. Do you not think David's argument had any points?
0 likesYeah, someone with a brain lol. Jidions argument was literally just saying anyone can do whatever they want as long as they think it’s ok. That’s the type of mentality that leads to racism, murder, rape, etc…
1 like@Fresh Choice right lol
0 likesBro Jidion won that argument what are you talking about? Hop off David’s meat. Stop forcing your beliefs on other people. It’s pathetic and ridiculous.
0 likesJiDion is a good guy fr. Respect to you man
0 likes“Everyone has the right to believe what they want to believe”- JiDion aka “baby GOAT”
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Until that belief harms others.
28 likes@JustRoberto based
4 likes@JustRoberto that's called conflict
2 likesMore like “Da baby goat”
1 like@JustRoberto duh 🙄
0 likes@Jr Williams like the belief that’s it’s okay to exploit certain animals. Do you believe this?
5 likes@JustRoberto oh my bad lemme revise your statement in my words Until it harms other people 👍
0 likesWould you tell that to a pedofile? 🤔
0 likes@26 Mic your videos are nice fam
0 likes@JustRoberto bro go tell that to the animals tell them to eat plants 😂😂😂😂
0 likesonly in america
0 likesOnly Yb da goat 🤡
0 likes@Frankie Marquez only Yb da goat 🤡
0 likes@Diego Asseo Soledad exactly, someone gets it
0 likes@JustRoberto conflict will and always will exist the same animals they wanna protect are a danger to us and other animals 😂
0 likes@JustRoberto “we don’t care”- Stephen A. Smith.
0 likesFreedom = the ability for a human to do whatever they desire as long as it brings no harm to others ( animals included).
1 like@Modeus the process of eating for animals is survival, for humans it’s a mixture of survival as well as to thrive by maximising a nutritional diet. You can have an extremely nutritional diet and survive without having to harm animals, the difference between us and animals is that we have morals , now most of the world has the ability to move to a vegan diet it’s time to make that switch as it’s the ethical and moral decision in the same way ending slavery, allowing woman to vote, allowing gay marriage etc where all the correct moral and ethical decision.
2 likes@JustRoberto based
1 likeas a Christian, this is fax.
1 likeJeffrey Dahmer agrees 😉
1 like@josh It does bring harm to animals in this case.
0 likesRacists, Necrophiles, Pedophiles, Pyschopaths, Serial killers, mass murderers: Thanks bro
2 likes@JustRoberto Cry more
0 likes@AceZay says the grown man who can’t justify his participation in animal cruelty.
0 likes@JustRoberto Boo hoo lmaoooo you will never stop anything this relationship between predator and prey has gone on since the dawn of time. Cry about it maybe you’ll change something in your live time lmao
0 likes@AceZay is that your best argument? you realize its an unsustainable system which will head to a plant based one to mitigate further climate catastrophe right? the world isn't always going to needlessly harm animals, if you think this is the pinnacle of societal accomplishment then you're a tool.
0 likesYou know you're in the presence of a vegan because they'll tell you they're vegan in the first 20 seconds.
1 like8:10
7 likesThat’s an amazing point
Jidion is smarter than the dumb stuff in his videos suggest
Cooking meat and hugging grandmas. This dude's the best.
0 likesJidion the only dude who can prank his enemy, get em to fume, get em to smile and still have a debate with them in the same video, despite the guy canceling on him🤣🤣
0 likesI'm sorry, Demarcus Cousins III
I loved how you made a rebuttal towards the vegan’s moral argument. His view is subjective based off of how he feels; whether it’s an altruistic view or not. You brought in your religion to clarify that YOUR subjective view is based off of the OBJECTIVE moral standard provided from God and the Bible. However, you also stated how there’s other religions that follow other objective moral standards that are taught in those religions. Ultimately, there will always be a plethora of subjective moral views and no one should hold their own on a pedestal.
0 likesthinking about becoming a carnivore after this video
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Benson
39 likesAlready a carnivore
33 likesWas a carnivore before it was cool
59 likesWow Okay.
1 likeGuys we got him
3 likes@Midas animal based with carbs is the way 2 go brotha. Zero carb ain’t it
13 likesNot RickRoll 👇 2 The only time ads are the best.
1 likeLmao ima vegetarian an this vid slaps
8 likesMy videos are similar style to Jidion, I’m a New Youtuber and tryna hit my dream of 5k 🔥🔥
0 likes@HKROW Nice, Man.
0 likes@Jesus Ortiz thanks bto
0 likesBen Dover
1 likeThinking about being a cannibal after this video
5 likesayooooo
0 likesOmnivore is better cuz youll live longer
4 likes@Irfanbahar same with meat
1 like@Benson straight leafs
0 likes@Brad Pitt's Toilet hold up wait a minute
2 likesA nice juicy steak
0 likesyea, bout to eat this dog right now
6 likesno need to become one, you were born one lol. You can eat what you want, just not humans please...
3 likes@偷猎者的骄傲 yoooo i just wanna know why you are a vegetarian like did you choose to be one for ethical reasons or health?
1 like@Radiocorrective both bro
0 likes@偷猎者的骄傲 Oh thats good! I think you might be interested in this then:
1 likehttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UcN7SGGoCNI
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lV1Y2kpsES0
If you watch these and think its not cool and are interested in the health aspect then I'll send you some more info on that as well if youd like :) I really hope you watch them itll only take about 8 minutes of your time for important information!
@偷猎者的骄傲 dive off a hotel roof
0 likes@Radiocorrective i haven't ate meat n years bro but ty
0 likes@偷猎者的骄傲 As a vegan I have more respect for carnists than vegetarians. Dairy and eggs are the most cruel, fucked up and environmentally damaging foods you can eat. Being vegetarian isn't an ethical choice, male chicks get shredded alive in a grinder seconds after they hatch because they don't make eggs. Its also not a health choice as eggs and dairy are horrible for you. You just want vegans to respect you without giving up cheese. We don't respect you and I'm assuming you have no respect for yourself. You'd actually be doing less harm if you ate more meat and less dairy.
1 like@4th hokage U first i need an example
0 likesYou’re going to miss potatoes. 🥔
0 likesdo it you won´t regret it
0 likesI always am
1 likeI already am
0 likes💀💀💀
0 likesand some cabalism i know you bb
1 like@Cameron MacDonald you're the reason I'm never turning vegan.. I wonder how you feel about abortion.. and as a health care professional I can tell you that dairy and eggs are actually beautifully healthy for some people depending on their lifestyle, health conditions etc.. just sit down please
0 likesLamoooo
0 likesI might just become an omnivore ngl
0 likesAfter this video I craved a fucking cow burger
0 likesWe’re omnivores. Killing animals to eat is how we survive. So do many other animals as well.
0 likesLol
0 likesU better
0 likesporkchop
0 likesporkchop dinosaur
0 likesGANG
2 likesIt's bigger than black and white
0 likes@Midas nah ur an omnivore
0 likesI already am. 😐
0 likesI mean...
No im not🙃😗
Ong
0 likes@Cameron MacDonald y u pretending to be a vegan lmao🤡🤡🤡
0 likes@Evan H. based and Paul Saladino pilled
0 likesIf he wanted to talk about facts there's no better argument then the fact that we are omnivorous and therefore we need both meat and vegetables. Also, the reason why people kill animals and not other people is because we don't see animals as equals to us (which I obviously don't think they are) so they don't hold as much value as a person and therefore a little sacrifice for our pleasure is justified
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We don't need meat though. We need nutrients. All of which can be found in a plant based diet. What's the recommended daily intake of meat? How many milligrams of "meat" do you need a day? What kind of meat? It's most definitely propaganda that we need meat. Every single nutrient we need is found in plants. With the exception of B12, but B12 isn't even found in meat anymore because we've destroyed the soil. All meat you're eating today that contains B12 is supplemented into the animals feed. They don't produce it naturally.
0 likes@Cameron MacDonald I can see you are vegan, and an idiot at that. Meat does contain plenty of B12. More dangerous of veganism? Lack of Iron; the high ingestion of phytates, lectin and others (that are rich in vegetarian and vegan diets) will lead to the increase of cracks and holes in your gut, leading to a leakage of toxins and bacterias to your body; lack of protein; lack of calcium
6 likesLet's also talk about the fact that a vrgetarian or vegan diet has far less calories, which is excellent if you're trying to lose weight but terrible if (like me) you already have a hard time gaining weight, you'll just end up malnourished.
Can you be healthy with a vegetarian or vegan diet? Yes, but it will be much much much harder then an omnivorous one. Plus you'll need to take supplements
Also, if you wanna follow the facts like your friend said, isn't the fact that we are omnivorous the biggest fact at play?
Let's go over more nutrients that are rarely found in vegan diets: vitamin D, iodine, omega-3 (that leads to depression, that is why you are more likely to be depressed), zinc.
Veganism and vegetarianism are also really unreliable for people with physically demanding jobs and children (because malnutrition has a much greater impact during puberty then in adult life and the needs are greater). It is also more expensive unless you have a small farm (which is a nice hobby by the way) where you can get some of your food from.
Plenty of reasons. A good omnivorous diet is both easier and more convenient. Can omnivorous diets be bad? Yes, looks at the US and the UK where a large % of people are obese. Eating meat doesn't have be to associated with fast food, high saturated fat foods, obesity and all those things
@PriestMarmore if only this response could be pinned… mfs swear by the comforting words of “you can get all essential nutrients from a vegan diet” 🤦🏽♂️
2 likes@2ToneCapone I mean you do get all the essential nutrients that’s factual it’s just easier to maintain an omnivorous diet
0 likes@Nik S. I didn’t say it wasn’t factual. I pointed out that that’s all people need to hear to be persuaded that it’s the best route to take. But as this gentleman thoroughly explained, its not.
0 likesThis the first video I seen where he was more serious then usual. This was a good discussion and good points.
0 likesThis guy probably would find a way to defend that vegan teacher
0 likesBro this dude always makin my day 🤣🤣🤣
2 likesThis guy was way more reasonable then most vegetarians I’ll give him that. I’m still gone go out and eat a juicy succulent ass beefy burger tho
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I recommend you to go and check out Dominion on youtube if you truly are secure in your beliefs and the actions that are influenced by them.
0 likes@Radiocorrective I was actually thinking about going vegetarian because I wanted to lose weight (I’m not to big I’m 18 at around 165 lbs) and build muscle cause I wanna get into the best shape I can but I also don’t wanna lose out on the protein I can get from like beef or something. Any ideas?
0 likes@TheRealCosta Oh thats actually similar to what my best friend did! He went 100% plantbased because he decided to be vegan (as in a follower of Veganism the philosophy). He used to be pretty overweight but now he's in a healthy weight range. He swears on beans which is one of the best foods to consume regarding getting proper protein and nutrition all around plus you can make some rad dishes with them. I'll ask him further about his usual eating habits and then report back but what I would currently recommend is watching 'The game changers' documentary because its all about fitness and health with plantbased eating and features a lot of bodybuilders, athletes (and scientific evidence) whom you can get good advice from. After that I could recommend some yt channels to you that also specify on convenient and affordable plantbased nutrition if you'd like.
0 likesThe vegan guy actually seems like a good dude
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He is. And most vegans are.
162 likesBeing vegan doesn’t make you a good person lol, it’s more to it
530 likes@Cassie Hall lol no most are weirdos that want everyone to be vegan like them
152 likes@Cassie Hall You liar what about the vegan teacher how can I am a whole list of annoying as vegan
12 likesNah. They're self-righteous saying it's objectively wrong to kill animals but it's okay for a woman to abort their baby. Go tell a snake it's wrong to eat rodents/chicks and give it lettuce see how long it survives.
114 likes@Antoin Johnson he means the exact opposite of what ur saying. Being vegan doesn’t make you a bad person lol
1 like@Carlos Castillejo exactly.. but we don’t really know what their opinion was on abortion
7 likes@Carlos Castillejo what
7 likes@Carlos Castillejo someone being “self-righteous” isn’t immoral.
3 likesIt’s okay for people to have a high opinion of themself, that doesn’t actually hurt anyone.
@ॐ Boi eating meat is isn't immoral, that's my point.
8 likes@Cassie Hall kinda 🧢
2 likesIf we didn’t have meat what would we eat salad every day all day?
5 likesNo
0 likes@Cassie Hall lmao suree okkk....
0 likes@BlackCobra that is not true LOL that’s just vegan activists
0 likesFr
0 likesWhen I read this comment I was like “huh”
1 like@Carlos Castillejo bro the baby isn’t even alive
3 likes@Antoin Johnson exactly that’s like saying sense your white you where a slave owner
0 likes@BlackCobra Most aren't weirdos, the media just portrays them as such to make you want to keep buying their products.
0 likes@Carlos Castillejo Not all say that. Nice projection.
0 likes@chumpstain lol no it’s not even about the media this time .. look at ever social media Vegan Activist, they are weird and Judgmental ..
1 like@BlackCobra Dude said it's not about the media but you just said social media. I'm gonna head out.
1 like@chumpstain but there is a different if you Paid attention to what I wrote it would make more sense ..
1 like@chumpstain there is a different from Vegans themselves posting crazy shit about how anyone who eats meat is a Horrible person and a murders then a the Main stream making up lies about then
2 likes@chumpstain breathe
0 likes@Antoin Johnson bro delete ur comment please 🤦♂️
0 likes@Carlos Castillejo damn, almost like snakes are carnivores, and need meat to survive😱 if you were actually smart you’d know being vegan is probably the best thing you can do for your body and for other animals.
2 likes@Cassie Hall I can tell with certainty, as one who has lived in norcal, most vegans are not good people
0 likes🧢
0 likes@Antoin Johnson We’re saying he seems nice.
0 likesMy guy what’s with your creepy pasta pfp: lord that’s amazing and creepy
0 likesThats An amazing ass name
1 like@Jayvon Lewis im not even vegan but like cmon bro theres a lot of vegan food
0 likes@Cassie Hall yea “most”
0 likesnobody said a word about this mans username 💀💀😭
2 likesI’m ignore your name
1 like@lilbrax the vegan teacher is your girlfriend
0 likes@None Yours really
0 likes@lilbrax yes
0 likesI love your name
1 likefrfr
0 likes@lilbrax what about all the vegans who don’t??? You don’t hear about them!!! You’re a child
0 likes@Thor Odinson What are you talking about baby girl
0 likes@Thor Odinson Wow that’s crazy how do you know I’m a child that’s so hard to find out
0 likesHe is, but the anti-meat shit is dumb
0 likes@Cassie Hall 🧢
0 likes@FaZe Rape nice name
1 like@Antoin Johnson yeah
0 likes@BlackCobra ye
0 likes@Carlos Castillejo yeah
0 likes@Cassie Hall no they aren’t
1 like@Cassie Hall *vegan teacher enters chat*
0 likes@Carlos Castillejo Yeah but humans are omnivores we can eat everything do your research my guy chickens aren't omnivores
1 like@God D Oda when did I say chickens are omnivores?
0 likes@Carlos Castillejo I never said that read I said humans are omnivores you said that is like chicken switching up their diet when its not
1 like@God D Oda i only mentioned snakes, not chicken. Eating meat is not wrong.
1 like@Carlos Castillejo well yea snakes are carnivores but my thing is they could not go to eating vegetables all the time because their body is not made for that while our bodys are
1 like@God D Oda my point is that eating meat is not immoral.
1 like@BlackCobra Perhaps you might be generalizing. It seems improbable to me that you've observed most vegans. A lot of this stigma comes from extreme activits but how many activits are extreme and how many vegans are even activits? How do you know what most are like?
1 like@BlackCobra I'm not trying to be rude or anything either but don't you find it somewhat ironic that you're calling them judgemental while asserting that most of them are weirdos?
1 like@Osiris yea I was being Ignorant when I made that comment.. I will man up and say my bad
2 likes@BlackCobra To be fair, I have nothing but respect for you being able to admit something like that. Such a rare and crucial trait. It's all love bro
1 likeNo one gonna mention this dudes name is FaZe Rape 😭😭😭
1 like@BlackCobra veganism for a lot of people is a moral code. Ofc they want to be around other vegans, that’s like being surprised when regular people don’t want to be around murders
0 likes@Carlos Castillejo humans = snakes now is that really the argument lmao
1 like@looper scooper i mean eating animals ISN'T immoral like these idiots claim, sadly its the order of things.
0 likes@Cassie Hall nah. They always question why you’re eating meat and try to tell you not to
0 likesWas 69 replies XD
0 likesFaze Rape 😭
0 likes@chumpstain the media could care less about if people go vegan. Fact is, there will always be a market for meat products. In fact, modern media pushing any food products more often push vegan foods, because they're harder to sell.
0 likes@Osiris eh, theres a reason that the stigma if the vegan friend exists. I will say though, that doesnt mean a majority of vegans are like this, but a disproportionate amount are.
0 likes@Juh Yeah it's just another example of people stereotyping a group of people due to a minority who aren't actually representative of the average person in that group
0 likes@Osiris Well thats only true because across all demographics, there is an introverted population. It tends to be the extroverted population of vegans that fit the category. Plenty of rational vegans that I've met agree it's pretty common for vegans to find ways to bring it up
0 likes@Juh That's hard to say because there's no real reliable source for the amount of introverts on that scale and it tends to be estimated at most 50% or lower. However, I personally don't have a problem with them bringing it up. Everyone talks about their interests frequently. I think the problem is when they shame people, are condescending as if they're better or are just down right disrespectful but these kind of people aren't at all representative from what I've seen anyway
0 likes@lilbrax lemme hear a list
0 likesI don’t have an issue with vegan people but I don’t like the type of vegans that try to force their beliefs on others.
1 likeYeah but he shouldn’t be stressing or hating on other people, for what they believe and feel towards eating animals and killing animals though, some think it’s okay, some don’t, it’s that simple but we should still respect one and another and ourselves at the end of the day, but tbh that would be hard, for a vegan to walk into a restaurant and be like ew meat or I feel bad for that animal but that’s why there’s VIGAN RESTAURANTS.
0 likes@Cassie Hall false
1 like@Antoin Johnson no one said that
0 likes@mcmanus it’s in the comments, just read
0 likes@Antoin Johnson are u talking about what cassie said
0 likes@Carlos Castillejo the baby is not even alive yet.
0 likes@ॐ Boi no their hypocritical
0 likes@😹BUILTMICKEY that's cap
0 likes@Carlos Castillejo bro, 2 separate issue. Objectively speaking, eating meat that comes from industrialized agriculture is WRONG, but we still eat it anyway.
0 likes@Carlos Castillejo I mean, the meat industry is actively hurting the planet. He is not wrong in saying that animals are treated badly. He believes it's a big deal and others don't really care. That's the subjective part.
0 likes@Cassie Hall Haha. That's funny.
0 likes@Carlos Castillejo frre
0 likesNo
0 likes@Cassie Hall just judemental
0 likesI’m fine with people being vegan and idrc if someone is, but it’s just the fact that some of them try to say bad things about u just because u aren’t. I know a lot of them aren’t like that, but it’s the ones that are that give them a bad name
0 likesYo good work jidion. That guy handled it well too though, he strong
1 likeboth sides were respectful i loved this
0 likeshappy ending :D
Nobody pulls me out of a bad mood better than u bro
0 likesyou have me in tears with every video ohh man i need a break my face hurts
0 likesRespect for having the integrity to not edit out the fact David has a way more rational argument.
951 likesPs you’re funny AF when no one gets hurt to make your videos
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Lol 🥰🥰🥰
2 likesWARNING ⚠️ JESUS COMMANDS YOU TO REPENT OR PERISH!!!! YOUR SOUL IS ON THE LINE!!!!!!
17 likes@Anonymous damn 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
12 likesHow does he have a more rational argument? Nothing he said holds true regarding morals and morality.
70 likes@Anonymousaint jesus meant to be a nice guy like tf
5 likes@Anonymous amen
0 likes@Shaikh N Bake lol , ur allah told u that?
1 like@VISION TUTORIALS PVT LTD if you are older than 18 and that’s your reply, my previous comment checks out.
11 likesActually I feel like as long as the law permits it and your argument doesn't break it we good
0 likes@Anonymous praise the lord bro thanks for spreading the truth.
1 likehis argument is gay
2 likes@Anonymous amen
0 likes@AbSTRACT ,*0¡, this guy gets his morals from the law lmao
4 likes@Main it does sound like that oh well I'm too lazy too change it
0 likesEliteAthlete15 I love meat, I had a banging half pounder for dinner but I also acknowledge it's selfish cause an animal lived a poor life for me to have it. It fundamentally makes no sense people are against eating dogs and cats when they eat meat. There's no harm acknowledging it's all conditioning
6 likesEliteAthlete15 exactly so it's just conditioning. In the west we're conditioned to think that way. Cows are playful like dogs and if wolves/dogs weren't useful to humans ages ago they wouldn't have been domesticated and you could be eating them as well today. It's all conditioning. We can be vegan but we're conditioned to want meat even though it's selfish and that's fine there's no harm in admitting that and enjoy meat at the same time
1 like@AbSTRACT ,*0¡, these types of debates/discussions are what MAKE the laws, this is how laws are changed, believing something is morally right because of what “the law” is. Is the worst way to view these situations, laws change every day. The debate comes BEFORE the law.
3 likes@Anonymous god isn’t real. Read some articles and do research
0 likes@Shaikh N Bake But it does lol. I'm a person who eats meat and I can acknowledge and admit that its messed up and that the way that it comes to us is disgusting. Go watch a documentary on how they force breed animals and kill them if they aren't born the right gender in slaughter houses and factories. Scientifically, the world would be much better if everyone went vegan. The other sides argument is just, "let me do what i want", nothing more.
1 like@Joe Hayes A nice guy to people who worship him.
0 likesHe doesn’t have a more rational argument. Rational based on your viewpoint, but from religious perspectives, animals were created for us to eat them.
0 likes@Anonymous this is basically the same as extremist vegans do making you fear so you join em lmao
0 likes@guap khow would the world be better if everyone went vegan?
0 likes@John Google is your friend
0 likes@guap k you make a wild assumption and can’t even back it up yourself LOL
0 likes@Jzhnny 14 Address it then goof
0 likes@Main its not selfish at all. animals were created to serve us
0 likesthis guy can make anyone like him
0 likesThis video is really educating not gonna lie.
0 likesThe random shot of him hugging the old lady is one of the funniest things I have seen in my life
1 likeJiDion speaking facts the whole interview
0 likesPretty wholesome and great debate ❤️💪🏾
0 likesJidion is definitely the final boss when it comes to trolling 😂😂😂
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No it didn’t make me laugh
0 likeshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzaSRqu2ALI
0 likesWARNING ⚠️ JESUS COMMANDS YOU TO REPENT OR PERISH!!!! YOUR SOUL IS ON THE LINE!!!!
0 likesI love you Jidion you did something great
0 likesDefinitely a carnivore after this. Thanks Jid.
0 likesHe punked his ass by making him admit he got Pranked by him 🤣🤣🤣
3 likesDamn jidion those solid arguments you literally nailed it
0 likesi like how he does the random moments from him in the store getting the items and then all the suddon he just goes an hugs somebody's grandma
0 likesyour argument points were so solid 😂
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Were they? He basically said "let's just accept that we have different beliefs". Is this thinking okay when someone's "belief" leads to a victim? Should we not stand up to injustices just because the abusers "have different beliefs"?
112 likeshooligan yoo
1 like@Heekamalo Kilo yes
17 likes@El Chuzalongo Are you saying yes to my final question?
5 likesNo they werent lol
25 likes@Heekamalo Kilo luckily eating food Isnt abuse! Lmao, weirdo
31 likes@• Eating animals involves killing them first, so that action has a victim. There's a lot of abuse in animal agriculture. Is eating animals necessary? No. So the "we have different beliefs" argument here justifies any actions involving unnecessary victims.
11 likes@Heekamalo Kilo eating plants also kills them wdym
61 likes@Heekamalo Kilo cave man were munching on cow butt were meant to eat meat and y’all can’t stop anybody from doing it
25 likes@Heekamalo Kilo is eating animals necessary? Absolutely. If you ever took a nutrition course you’d know that almost any diet that restricts the body from certain nutrients (animal proteins included) is unhealhty
37 likes@Heekamalo Kilo i feel really bad for poor mr.cow but damn does he taste amazing
39 likes@Heekamalo Kilo You need meat in your body...
14 likes@Heekamalo Kilo why would there be animals if we arent supposed to eat them?
14 likes@chrstn bruh that is by far the dumbest comment in this thread. And that's saying something.
16 likes@wallace's cumrag haha if that guy is serious, i’ve lost faith in humanity..
3 likes@Heekamalo Kilo Yes. We do not value animals the way we value humans. Get over it.
7 likes@Heekamalo Kilo It's just nature man. Animals hunt and eat their prey alive. The conditions that we keep ours in could be better and the killing could be done in a quicker way but at the end of the day there will always be predator and prey. Humans are invasive extremely intelligent predators that is the natural way we have evolved to be it would seem. It wont change any time soon maybe in the future either way no point in trying to get everyone to come to your side by shaming them. That makes people act out in spite. That is human logic. Like Jidion said we just have different views. We can try to sell each other on those views all day but at the end of the day if someone doesn't come to certain conclusions on their own it wont stick with them.
9 likesBy the logic I see here all pain and suffering should be stopped. Which would be noble and great. But as I said it is nature. Just as a lion eats a gizelle we eat cows. The only difference is that we do it in bulk and have our "hunting system" automated. Humans can't even be good and not kill each other of course they would kill their prey in such an unnatural system as a slaughterhouse.
Even with me saying all of this I know you probably won't see the point.
@Heekamalo Kilo I don’t really cares for some animals to me they are worth the food especially because I used to have a medical diet in had to be on for 5 years and I really had to eat meat for nutrients and I love meats.
1 like@Heekamalo Kilo difference is one is an animal and the other is a human being stop this
3 likes@Heekamalo Kilo You still kill a plant when you eat it so it is a "victim" by your own logic. So clearly you care more about one living thing more than another.
5 likes@JustCallMeD that’s what I was thinking they are trying to show objective facts about what happens to animals but don’t see that most of us don’t find the killing of animals for food immoral
2 likes@Heekamalo Kilo fuck those animals they taste good my boy LMFAOOO
2 likes@Heekamalo Kilo eating animals is necessary for certain nutrients we NEED in our bodies also do you think people back then during the nomadic times would’ve survived off of eating plant?? Also plants are a living thing too so by a vegetarians logic every animal or human in the world is doing something evil that leads to a victim
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0 likes@Heekamalo Kilo the animal you protect will still eventually kill each other.
1 like@Heekamalo Kilo Cool, I’m craving chicken.
0 likes@JustCallMeD that is the greatest point ive seen in a vegan argument so far
1 like@Punu It's just simple unfiltered logic. Looking at things the way they really are. People seem to forget that we are animals as well. We just have evolved in our intelligence enough to believe that we are somehow different from the rest. The only difference is in our IQ. We still operate in animalistic ways that have been evolved to be more industrial or come with ease. Even with us being so smart still we are so dumb that we cant see the truth.
0 likesWe are not special. We are not exempt from the laws of natural and reality. When did we start to see ourselves as above these systems? We can never be. We can pretend to be. But we can never attain such a status. All of these subgroups and cultures all separated and ignoring the truth. Why must we be so blind?
@JustCallMeD so life isn’t meaningless and we feel purpose above everything else
0 likes@Heekamalo Kilo if I want to eat what you gon do about it ima eat the the meat you know what ima eat double the meat just so 1 person that’s vegan ain’t doin shit
1 like@Jonathan Cerda Is this satire?
0 likes@Heekamalo Kilo Fs
0 likesno they were shitty
1 likeThey were awful points bruh, U d riding crazy
0 likes@Heekamalo Kilo bro go lecture a Lion on why it shouldn't eat meat and let me know how it goes lol
0 likes@Heekamalo Kilo animals legit eat other animals. we gonna turn lions into vegans now. shit ill go feed a cow a burger right now and it won't complain.
0 likesHe didn’t argue he just said they had different views. That’s so dumb. The literal point of arguing is to change those views and argue about them they left with the same exact views and got nowhere because of jidion.
0 likes@Heekamalo Kilo No, because we are talking about death of animals not humans. Not to be unempathetic but, I don't feel bad when an animal dies, I feel bad when an animal is tortured. True abuse of animals is torturing them not killing them because animals die in the wild. I think of the death of an animal (as long as they were cared for and treated properly) as the same in the wild and for eating. Despite this I have conflicting thoughts about the idea of raising farm animals to be killed.
0 likes@Heekamalo Kilo Also, we aren't gods. We don't have a perfect grasp of science relating to diet yet. Hell we know more about space than the complex physiolgy of our wn bodies. With that being said, I believe that we are omnivores and not herbavores for a reason. Meat has studied effects on certain diseases that can improve or negate the effects of certain conditions. Im not saying everyone needs to eat meat, Im saying that implying that we should treat animals like humans is a slippery slope.
0 likesDivyam Singhal i mean i dont really care, im eating meat for the rest of my life lol
0 likesDivyam Singhal i just said how I dont consider killing an animal to be abuse. Death penalty isn't considered abuse.
0 likes@Heekamalo Kilo Survival of the fittest. If we weren't to eat meat or kill animals it would be against our nature
0 likesno they werent lol. veganism makes complete sense and that other dude proved it, jidion jus said we have different beliefs the whole time lmao
0 likes@RAZER X5 THANK YOU
0 likes@chrstn Why do people say that 😂
0 likesThat's like asking the meaning of life, why do we exist? Who tf liked that comment?
OK at best
0 likesBro, this debate was lit, I had no idea that jdion can be this mature and intelligent lol.
1 likeBro the way you present your content is hilarious I crack up in every video
0 likesYou could tell deep down he was so pissed 😂
0 likesLETS GO JIDION CHRISTIANS FOR LIFE! God bless bro you a champ
1 likeBro how is the vegan guy so patient with you respect to me lmao
0 likesHe’s a good sport and I wish republicans and democrats could peacefully discuss like this.
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27 likesIt’s quite difficult because when ever republicans try to have conversations, they are almost immediately insulted for their beliefs. That’s why I like shows like change my mind by Steven crowder because he wants to have a sit down conversation with opposing views
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0 likesNever
1 like@SabreTooth77 I don't see how every republican would be insulted by there beliefs.
2 likes@SabreTooth77 Can you elaborate more because every person is different which means every republican is different which also means that you can have civil convos with some proving your statement wrong
1 like@ChaseR _ I mean that most of the time when a Democrat hears opposing views they want to end the conversation and Republicans are called racist and so on for their different views
10 likes@SabreTooth77 That is true
1 like@SabreTooth77 it goes both ways not just republicans
0 likes@Jones BBQ foot massage yea, but it really all depends on location. For example, you live in California, your gonna get clowned on for being a republican. However, if you live in a republican state then its vice versa.
2 likes@INSANE u do know the internet is a thing right? ppl will clown on both sides it’s not just republicans
0 likes@Jones BBQ foot massage did you not read what I said bud? I clearly said that and we aren't talking about then internet, we are talking about real life lmao
0 likes@INSANE the internet is real life all sides are clowned on that's facts
0 likes@SabreTooth77 Steven crowder 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 nice joke man
0 likesSame. I’m republican. I may not support or agree with Democrats but I respect everyone.
0 likes@Jones BBQ foot massage cap
0 likeswe do not care
0 likes@Jonah I support everyone except hateful ppl as long as you don’t hate u should support everyone
0 likes@Jonah what is
0 likesI know right, if people just respected each other’s opinions no matter how different they are, then I think the world could have been different
0 likesI’m not Vegan but the vegan dude was chill af
0 likesThe guy does not have much arguments a part from slitting their throat and bullet through their head.
0 likesBut at the end he is a good sport and admits being pranked by my man.
You made laugh a vegan ! It's huge ! When they become agressive in their talk i asked them who were the most enthusiast about being vegetarian in the West world and i tell them : " Adolf Hitler and Charles Manson " ( it always makes me laugh ...) - BTW , it's true !
0 likesThe way he just cuts to hugging that grandma made me emotional bro.
1 likeRespect for preaching gods word 💯
0 likesI give that guy full respect for being real with JiDion and overall being a good sport good vid
822 likesy’all both had good points, great video though
1 likeI love you JiDion but he was walking all over you when your only real argument was "I'm Christian, they used to slaughter lambs, you're not allowed to step on my religious rights" I mean come on man nobody these days is eating meat because of ancient lb slaughter 😂 love you though, bout to go make a burger right now
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Actually, quite a lot of religions still sacrifice animals. TBH in my opinion: God gave us dominion over the animals, and we should use them for food and other animal products BUT, we need to be fair "rulers" and treat them with some respect in the process.
2 likesHonestly bro good debate and u made some good points. At the end of the day our beliefs are subjective
0 likesI don't think David has ever heard of Temple Grandin because without her the animals would actually be mistreated. but thanks to her, up until the moment they die the animals are treated better than most humans. And their throats are not slit until they are dead and you don't get ptsd and that shit from being a butcher
1 likeI think this was a good debate. It was 2 people actually have a decent debate. Rebuttling each other and pointing out faults, while still being respectful.
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bro you guys are more concerned with the fact that “it was a good debate” than the actual outcome. it’s not a good debate if no one has anything to say/argue about it.
0 likeshuge respect for the actual debate that was had. it shows that not every prankster is a child like most older people think. mad respect JiDion
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XxJxydenxX XxAlønexX “if everyone was vegan we would take all of the plants away considering there’s many of us here” lmao 😂 I hope u just like 5 or sum cus if you older it just ain’t no hope for the you
1 likeWARNING ⚠️ JESUS COMMANDS YOU TO REPENT OR PERISH!!!! YOUR SOUL IS ON THE LINE!!!!
0 likesI like that this actually became a real discussion lol that was cool
0 likesThose types of arguments are the ones I need to to stay far from it will never end 😂 😂
0 likesEveryone gangsta until Jidion gets serious
0 likesThis man is a real one. Love that he believes in God too. 🙏
9 likesJiDion spitting facts
0 likesThis man is the only YouTuber that genuinely makes me laugh
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1 likeYou must not watch alot of YouTubers lmao
1 like@Iso what others YouTuber you know are this funny ?🤨 seriously I need recommendation lol
4 likes@Arada T danny duncan, jidion said it himself hes black danny duncan, hes like jidions inspiration. Both best youtubers rn
0 likes@Arada T CoryxKenshin, Dashie, Agent 00. Etc
1 like@Iso Croryxkensin is not funny at all
0 likes@Arada T check out Rickey, CoryXKenshin, Berleezy
0 likes@Arada T RDCWORLD1, BERLEEZZY, AND DAZEDWOOZY
1 like@SonDeku ight I Will Check them out
0 likes@7ean tnx
0 likes@Iso tnx
0 likesDats cap lik shii🤣
0 likesMy videos are similar style to Jidion, I’m a New Youtuber and tryna hit my dream of 5k 🔥🔥
0 likesWARNING ⚠️ JESUS COMMANDS YOU TO REPENT OR PERISH!!!! YOUR SOUL IS ON THE LINE!!!!
0 likes@SonDeku apparently 10 million find him funny
0 likesI think this dude is cappin. My family owns a butcher shop and there is no PTSD or depression that comes with it.
2 likesVegans always look so happy and healthy, just a bunch of happy folks spreading joy
2 likesOne of the experiences I’m most grateful for in life is owning a beef cow. The day my family bought our first cow, the rest of her heard was heading to slaughter. She was 400lbs, and barley a year old. I named her tasty and she was given daily sweet grain and fruits from our family’s farm. After 2 years of growing her out it was time. Not gonna lie a cow is a little harder to gut then a deer but there is nothing better than doing every step your self. It was some tasty beef 🥩 get a beef cow and fill your own freezer if you have the land and eat beef!!! It’s so worth it, yes it can be sad but the empowerment of growing and harvesting your own meat is very rewarding
0 likesHe was funny and had facts a real good interview
0 likesDamn Jidion actually decent at arguing
0 likesJidion: “I think it’s skillful to cut up a 300 pound pig or sumthin”
1059 likesThe guy: 👁 👄 👁 yeeaauuh
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Not RickRoll 👇 2 nooo
0 likesMy videos are similar style to Jidion, I’m a New Youtuber and tryna hit my dream of 5k 🔥
1 like@HKROW lol a new YouTuber yo ass been on yt for 6 years
4 likesWhy everyone promoting they shit smh
1 like@DeadZeus-VI 💀😂😂 bro he been tryin
0 likes@Kid Tristan ngl i have Seen some People with Good content. Some People unforrunately have to Self promote. There is on Other way for them
0 likes@ThisIsMyName yeah that’s true there’s some underrated people out there but underrated or not they do the most promoting it
0 likesCommitting terror attacks is skillful too ☠️
0 likesI actually enjoyed the discussion at the end , was interesting to watch literally lmaooo🔥😂
2 likesJidion has a great personality
0 likesI like how he pointed at every direction except at the actual camera 😂😂
0 likesJidion was speaking facts. At the end of the day, everybody going to be doing what they think is right. Some people believe it’s wrong to slaughter animals and others people are going to go to McDonald’s daily. That’s just the way people are.
0 likesthere’s not enough plants and veggies in the world to feed the whole world
2 likesThis man is gonna have the whole vegan community after him
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1 likeSo what they ain’t gonna do shit
11 likes@RSJ Yea ur right. They don't got enough protein to fight back lol
40 likes@GarouAli Lol Omnivores heavily outnumber them
0 likesthey ain't want no beef
12 likes@GarouAli protein literally comes from plants…
7 likes@liluzikush meated
0 likesNah vegans actually get a lot of protein, at one point the strongest man alive was a vegan, but I agree with the point, everyone should be allowed to do anything they want💪
2 likesMy videos are similar style to Jidion, I’m a New Youtuber and tryna hit my dream of 5k 🔥🔥🔥
1 likeVegan community is like the LGBT community but smaller
3 likes@Carlos Mendez I wouldn’t use strongest men as a valid example since they all use steroids
0 likesNot at all. Check out the comments on David's (the activist) channel and the video he posted. Most comments are polite.
0 likes@Thomas McHugh bro what😂
0 likesWARNING ⚠️ JESUS COMMANDS YOU TO REPENT OR PERISH!!! YOUR SOUL IS ON THE LINE!!!
1 like@Thomas McHugh you can't sit on your couch and eat shit but become the world's strongest man because you take steroids. Of they all take steroids then there a level playing field right? Then why was the strongest still vegan?
0 likes@Anonymous Amen 🙏
0 likesJiDion won the debate but the other dude was such a good sport
0 likesIt would have been crazy if at the end you pulled out a real ground beef patty pack lol
2 likesIf I go to court I want Jidion to be my lawyer
0 likesRespect for you Jidion for believing in god👍
0 likesyou could tell he was so angry at the end ahaha
0 likestbf this vegan guy ain't too bad he seems kind of reasonable. He's not a shouter so that's that.
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He’s one of the few good ones.
7 likeshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzaSRqu2ALI
0 likesYeah but he honestly has no idea what he’s talking about when it comes to the Bible. Also most places that kill animals do it in humane ways
25 likes@Swarms yep 👍🏾
3 likesany advice to help me not wanna smack vegans upside their head? They don’t understand the kindergarten level food chain. “Save the animals 🥺🥺🥺😇😇😇” is bs. We’ve been eating meat for millions of years and now all of a sudden they say “omg no, eating sheep so bad 🥺🥺🥺😱😱😱”
3 likes@Swarms He’s right about the meat industry though. Egg manufacturers literally shred male chicks alive the day they are born because they’re useless to them since they don’t lay eggs.
7 likes@Marco It’s not just about killing animals. The meat industry heavily contributes to climate change. Red meat is also really unhealthy.
6 likes@Marco just ignore them trying to argue with them only makes it worse for yourself
0 likesLook up earthling Ed- best vegan in the world
0 likes@Marco Vegans definitely understand the concept of food chain. The point however is that being at the top of the food chain doesn't ethically justify exploiting non-human animals. Just because one is stronger and is in the power position, doesn't justify doing something. Wouldn't the "food chain" line of reasoning also justify colonialism?
5 likes@Swarms What do you mean makes it worse for yourself? In terms of feeling guilty? I literally don't understand your point, this person above respectfully debunked your arguments and your advice is to ignore them?
5 likes@Marco,
3 likesHumans have been raping, murdering and enslaving each other for years. Your logical fallacy is: appeal to tradition.
@Atte Rahikkala I didn’t respond cause I was asleep when I say ur only hurting yourself I mean like it’s pointless to argue cause no one is gonna take each other’s side and both of u guys would waste each other’s time
0 likes@Atte Rahikkala and I liked the persons comment I don’t have to reply with yes I agree
0 likes@Swarms Okay. But I highly disagree with the part about neither taking each other's side. I'm not claiming that a Youtube comment makes anyone vegan but it can definitely make people more aware. The vast majority of vegans weren't born vegan. Close to a hundred million vegans became vegan after they were informed and after their beliefs were questioned.
0 likesThe message of veganism is very simple. It's a stance against injustice. If you believe that animal cruelty is wrong and if you believe that causing unnecessary suffering is wrong (which most people do), you already have a vegan mindset. Then people just need to be informed that animal agriculture indeed is cruel (by explaining and showing what is done to animals and how they are treated) and that it's scientifically proven that animal products are unnecessary for a healthy diet (thus making their suffering unnecessary). It really is that simple.
Exploiting animals for our benefit is so deeply in our society that most non-vegans never even consider that what they are doing is wrong. And when they are questioned the first time, they come up with all kinds of justifications. And after explaining why none of the justifications is valid, there's really no excuses left. Living a vegan life would actually be more in line with most people's morals if people were more informed about the exploitative industries and the reasoning behind veganism.
@Atte Rahikkala I see what u mean. But the reason I’m not vegan is because meat taste good.
0 likes@Atte Rahikkala also I believe that we are allowed to eat animals because of my religion so really nothing else is stopping me. But good for u for being vegan
0 likes@Swarms Do you believe it justifies eating meat or would you agree that eating meat is wrong regardless of whether or not it tastes good?
0 likes@Atte Rahikkala no I don’t think eating them is wrong cause my religion says it’s not wrong but I do think some of the ways they are killed is wrong
0 likesWARNING ⚠️ JESUS COMMANDS YOU TO REPENT OR PERISH!!!! YOUR SOUL IS ON THE LINE!!!!
0 likes@Swarms What is your religion? Christianity? What about the parts "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" or "Thou shalt not kill" for example? Do you think these statements are in line with eating meat?
1 like@Atte Rahikkala those are towards humans and yes I’m Christian
0 likes@Atte Rahikkala why do u think God said we could eat meat
0 likes@Swarms Does is specify somewhere that those statements only applies to humans?
0 likes@Atte Rahikkala well Jesus ate meat so it is allowed
0 likes@Krwiomocz.Bogurodzicy Ⓥ damn you outsmarted me. Still gonna eat burgers without second thoughts, and no not the veggie burgers that taste like ass with lettuce on it. But I don’t hate vegans anymore. But if they tell me to eat their nasty ass, fake ass, dry ass veggie burgers I’m going to jail.
0 likes@Swarms Don't you think the Bible is contradictory then? Or is the Bible a valid baseline for ethics anyways? If the Bible approves causing unnecessary suffering (consuming animal products is unnecessary, regardless of it being approved or not), then why would you even refer to the Bible?
0 likes@Atte Rahikkala this is what my friend told me about that verse ah, so very interesting topic. The word for "murder" and "kill" are different. The hebrew manuscripts here use the term "murder" but not "kill".
0 likesKilling (hebrew) refers to executing someone for justified reason such as a God sanctioned war, the protect the innocent, and punishment decreed by a just council (which can also be a war decreed by a just council, such as a God sanctioned council).
Murder (hebrew) refers to taking the life of someone out of vengeance, or the killing of someone outside of court ruling or war. This is taking of life where you are acting as judge and jury alone.
@Atte Rahikkala I am referring to the Bible because that is where I get my morals from and that’s how I live my life
0 likesI ate a sausage and turkey sandwich today 🥱
0 likes@Swarms No religion mandates eating. We don’t have to eat animals to be a devout Christian, Muslim, Jew, Hindu, etc. Therefore, we can be vegan and religious, just like we can recycle and be religious, or just like any other modern lifestyle choice we make which is not explicitly mentioned in religious texts but is also not prohibited.
0 likesPlus, why would a wise and omniscient God give pain receptors to animals and then tell us to kill them? Surely God would approve of us being vegan, therefore causing the least amount of harm possible to animals and the environment, both of which are God’s creations.
@Samu Puuronen well I never said u have to eat meat to be Christian. I just said my God allows me to do it so I do it. ( and if I did my bad). Also they animals talked before Adam sinned so God gave them pain receptors before that happened that’s why they still have it. Also God allowed us to eat meat cause he made animals pure
0 likes@Swarms you can’t kill in a humane way
0 likesBro should’ve hit him with the “It’s right to pity them, Mark. Wrong to value them more than your own kind!”
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god created them so we can eat most of them. stop being brainwashed over watching videos study who created them and why.
0 likes@zayneb abbarah Yeah my comment implies that I think being vegan is stupid
0 likesNgl, Dion May do a lot of off-the-wall shit, but I’m real glad he took the time to give Veganism some screen time and give it some thought.
1 likeI’m vegan too, but I can see both sides of the situation.
0 likes"it's not a belief". Believing that eating animals is wrong IS A BELIEF MF WHAT. Only humans feel guilt, no carnivore has a problem eating an animal or feel any kind of remorse. We're here to eat each other and who says killing is inherently wrong and not just something socially frowned upon based on guilt which is a uniquely human emotion.
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Aye I’m not trying to be a vegan like that, but it literally isn’t a belief. Factually, cattle grazing and livestock production and processes harm the environment and us people. So in actuality, veganism is a solution, not a belief. This is in relation to the logical side, but of course their are certain beliefs that come with veganism.
0 likes@Castillo _130 None of this is true. Row cropping is far more destructive than raising ruminants. Ruminants graze on grass which is already growing. Almost all the water used is from rainfall. The propaganda is strong but if you actually look it up you’ll see how quickly the narrative falls apart.
0 likesThe vegan guy was so chill
0 likes🤣 Man this Vegan guy was proper sound! He made some good points!
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You sure about that
134 likesexactly man!!
9 likesPlease be respectful and take veganism seriously. It's hardly even a choice when people become vegan. It is a paradigm shift, a change in perspective. We realized we were wrong in our actions and we had a moral obligation to live a different way. I can't go back on that even if I wanted to. Are you against animal abuse? Then you're already vegan at heart. Align your actions with your ethics, the only thing you'll regret is not doing it sooner. ✌️
125 likesno
28 likesHe made some good points but jidion isn’t a debater so there wasn’t many good counter arguments lol
38 likes@773 Legend there isn’t a single counter argument to justify uneccessarry harm and exploitation when there’s a choice not to.
54 likes@JustRoberto you’re right unnecessary harm and exploitation is wrong. I don’t think anyone would agree with that. R u trying to say any killing of animal to produce clothing or food is unnecessary and exploitative?
13 likes@773 Legend is it necessary for you?
17 likesHe also did his own vegan prank (see the first video) :
1 likehttps://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLIacjWbHUdUBqiFbeZ863gyEzD0iwuXtJ
I agree that David Ramms makes good points, which are often delivered in quite a witty and entertaining manner. You might be interested in the recent interview he had with Damien Mander, who is an ex special forces sniper and is now a vegan protecting wildlife in Africa from poaches. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFNKW5fSYz0
17 likes@773 Legend,
7 likesAre you against slaughtering of dogs for meat and leather?
@Krwiomocz.Bogurodzicy Ⓥ I see where ur trying to go with this. In our culture dogs are seen as pets and companions so that would be extremely taboo. In other countries they eat dogs because that’s what they require for food or it’s common in their culture. In India for example they don’t believe they should eat cows. Different cultures have different norms regarding what animals are seen as pets/companions/sacred
16 likes@773 Legend do you think culture morally justifies an action which causes harm to another?
7 likesAlso is it necessary for you, you still haven’t answered.
@JustRoberto I mean u said unnecessary harm of an animal. To make food or clothing it wouldnt make it “unnecessary harm” it be necessary to make food or clothing. But are you asking me it’s if necessary for ME personally to eat meat ?
8 likes@773 Legend so if I made food and clothing from humans would that fall under the category of “necessity” even though we have alternative food and clothing choices.
7 likesYes, is it a necessity for you to use animals for daily living?
@773 Legend,
1 likeWouldn't you then be commited to say slaughtering of dogs for meat and leather is not unnecessary nor exploitative where it's culturally accepted?
@JustRoberto I don’t think solely culture morally justifies anything. I didn’t say culture justifies actions causing harm, I said culture doesn’t support harming of certain animals which is why as an American i wouldn’t support the slaughtering or dogs here as I explained above.
7 likes@JustRoberto no that wouldn’t be a necessity it would be a crime. Animals and humans aren’t the same. I don’t believe just cause there other options it makes eating animal wrong. My point was it’s not unnecessary harm and exploitative to have meat.
9 likes@773 Legend if there's other options then it is literally unecessary.
4 likes@773 Legend but it is uneccessarry because there is other options… it’s on necessary when there is no other option. I never asked if it was murder, I asked if it was a necessity, you realise it’s not a necessity because there is another option. Also what is the difference between humans and non humans which makes it justified morally when there’s an alternative choice?
7 likesLike what?
0 likes@Popular shows like we don’t need to harm animals, they can feel pain and suffer like we do. There’s an alternative, paying for these products is to pay for an animal to experience torture etc.
4 likes@mind E the animals get a quick death. It’s not abuse. Also, people were made to eat meat. We’re omnivores. Nature WANTS us to eat meat.
8 likes@JustRoberto the animals get a quick death. It’s not abuse. Also, people were made to eat meat. We’re omnivores. Nature WANTS us to eat meat.
2 likes@JustRoberto Like we need to eat and like animals that we kill for food are way lower on an evolutionary scale than us. Like it is logical that in order to feed all the people in the world variety has to be there.
3 likesPoints against killing animals for food are dumb and illogical. Only privileged and people with too much time on their hands can come up with stuff like "cHicKen, cOw and piG haVe FeeLinGs".
@Popular shows you don’t need to eat animals to be healthy so why would you want to harm them? Why is it dumb to point out that animals can suffer when there’s an alternative choice than inflicting suffering?
5 likes@shoobadoo123 nature doesn’t want anything, animals don’t just get a quick death, they suffer hugely before even being killed, 90-99% of global meat production comes from a factory farm. And how does killing an animal quickly make it justified when there’s a choice not to?
5 likes@JustRoberto killing is part of being an omnivore/carnivore. We were meant to kill because we were made to eat meat. Nature DOES want it that way. You can ignore the signs if you want, but you’re blind to to the truth that way
6 likes@JustRoberto I don't need animal meat to strictly be healthy, I need it to not be hungry similar to needs of billions and billions of other people. Also, there are health benefits in proper diet that does Incorporate meat. We are made and evolved that way that we can process meat intake. Why should we negate our bodies of needed nutrients just because there is idea that beings inferior to us feel "pain". Alternative is bad, if it was good it'd be practiced everywhere by now.
4 likes@shoobadoo123 dude you don’t do anything naturally, you go to a supermarket to buy factory farmed and abused animals body parts. The fact you can eat them doesn’t mean you should. There’s an alternative choice instead of abusing animals. Look up appeal to nature fallacy, for example if I said “lions eat their own babies, it’s natural to eat babies so we should eat babies because it natural” that’s an appeal to nature fallacy. Nature has no bearing on what is or isn’t moral.
2 likes@JustRoberto Supermarket or not, doesn’t matter. And just because you have the choice to NOT eat animals doesn’t mean you should. Who are you to say what’s right and what’s wrong? The audacity of vegans like you who try to dictate morality is unbelievable. Also we are not lions. And I never even made that argument. I’m talking about human nature. That doesn’t fit the appeal to nature fallacy.
7 likes@shoobadoo123 Watch Land of hope and glory on YouTube and tell me those animals aren't living in an abusive and neglectful atmosphere
3 likes@shoobadoo123 yes it does saying it’s human nature is an appeal to nature, it’s not a moral justification to harm animals. Do you think it’s morally right to needlessly harm an animal?
2 likeshim mentioning "the bible supports slavery" was not a good point at all because back then slavery was totally different then the slavery that happened towards people
0 likesIf you believe in the Bible you believe that we are all born into sin, meat only started being eaten after Adam and Eve sinned. God wants us all to individually choose the right path, and I think the one where we don't eat the flesh of his creations is probably the right one.
1 likeHe did but im still going to eat meat
2 likes@JustRoberto What are you talking about. Vegans harm animals too. What do you think pesticides do and then you have crop protection.
0 likes@mind E no
0 likes@Kreed2k wait are you saying pesticide use is a justification to directly and needlessly harm animals? You know vegans also campaign for overall better farming and harm reduction right? Just because harm exists that not a justification to maximise the harm we cause, that’s ridiculous thinking.
2 likes@JustRoberto Just highlighting the hypocrisy and, no, I don't know that vegans campaign for that. I've never seen that happen.
3 likes@mind E scientifically plants feel pain they did an experiment where some dude screamed a riped a plants leaf and a class of high schoolers walked by it when that dude walked by its something went up basically a hart beat or something but not
1 like@mind E 🤨
0 likeshe kept shitting the bag and giving more and more unrealistic examples
0 likes@OPOL cool story. Even if that were true, you should be vegan because eating animals kills wayyyyy more plants than if you were just to directly eat plants.
4 likesSo to be consistent with your belief that plant lives matter, you by default should go vegan and be responsible for Less plant deaths. 😘
Why did I read vegeta guy☠️😭
0 likes@JustRoberto it’s not wrong to eat animals it’s natural. You ever see a bear eat a deer? Bears don’t like to eat dead carcasses so they injure the prey and eat it alive. Killing and eating animals is part of nature it’s ur humanity thats artificial and that’s telling you killing is bad, when in reality killing other species for food is 100% natural and normal. The only good argument for vegainism is environmental factors considering the beef industry and other farming industries are not good for the environment considering all the water that’s wasted and emissions.
1 likeHe literally sounded like he was talking to a cow
0 likes@JustRoberto bro imma just leave it as we have differnt belief cause there too many replies now lol. Humans are omnivores and made to eat meat. I don’t like the inhuman treatment of animals. I think they should be treated with respect when killed for the purpose of meat / clothing. According to the Bible we had domain over animals but still must respect them. So human and animals are not on the same level. If u had 5 humans about to be crushed and 5 pigs about to be crushed which would u save if u had 1 option. I’d hope you’d save the humans.
1 like@Carlie S he said unnecessary harm and exploitation. It’s not uncessary harm it’s necessary to eat them. It’s useful. It’s not just torturing and animal to leave on the side of the road that uncessary harm.
1 likeFact
0 likes@773 Legend the part that makes it unnecessary is the fact that we are capable of surviving without eating them. If we don't NEED to do it to survive, by definition it is UNNECESSARY. It's really simple.
6 likes@mind E nah I love meat yum yum yum
2 likeshe was another classic example of a fear mongering Vegan y'all are radical but think all that virtue signaling hides it XD
0 likes@Krwiomocz.Bogurodzicy Ⓥ dogs are different
0 likes@Relax_Rombey,
2 likesIn what morally relevant way are dogs different to cows or pigs?
@Joshua Polanco,
2 likesYou're virtue signalling about the virtue of not virtue signalling.
@Jord 🏳️⚧️ I know some are. But most aren’t.
0 likes@JustRoberto no it’s no but ok. And no harm is done. I only support instant death. Imagine if humans were just as dumb as other animals. We’d be killing animals because we’re naturally omnivores. Also we squash mosquitos and ants and other bugs without batting an eye. Why? Because we value human life more. Same with every other species, we don’t value them the same as human lives. So yes it is morally right imo. And remember there is no objective morally right. So stop trying to dictate morality. My view is an opinion. And so is yours
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1 like@JustRoberto is it morally wrong for a lion to eat a gazelle or hyaena to maul or animals to death Or wolves to eat a deer nope it’s just the food chain some animals eat meat to survive some eat grass don’t knock it that’s apart of life
0 likes@mind E that made 0 sense
0 likes@mind E at that point why eat anything at all, if everything you eat had negative consequences??
0 likes@Krwiomocz.Bogurodzicy Ⓥ hold on but u like killing plants which are living. if we had no meat we would die from lack of protein it is survival. While the animals would kill us.
1 like@mind E eh na
0 likesAnimals are on this planet to be eaten .
0 likes@StoryofJose,
1 likeYou've made 5 claims. All of which are wrong.
@mind E chill out you need some meat in your life lmaooooo
0 likes@JustRoberto yes actually
0 likes@mind E no
0 likes@mind E dgaf ima keep eating meat
0 likes@mind E man I don’t even eat meat anymore but you doing to much. Who cares if people like to eat meat or not, animals die everyday n get abused by other animals. I’m not saying it’s right or wrong it’s just the food chain. Animals are doing it all the time so why can’t humans plus we are omnivores. We have other options… so what, meat tastes good and we enjoy it. I have no problem with veganism but some of you people are just over the top like sheesh. I’d rather have an animal die by getting shot in the head or neck sliced than to literally be eaten alive by another animal
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0 likes@773 Legend It isn’t a necessity if there are other options and there are plenty of those. Something is a necessity if we absolutely have to do something to survive. Yes we need food and clothing. But no we don’t have to murder trillions of animals for food or clothing. We are highly advanced and capable. With all the options we have, why would we continue to cause needless suffering?
1 like@773 Legend Because there isn't any good counter arguments against veganism.
0 likes@773 Legend Do you have any idea what you're talking about? India is the world's biggest producer of beef and leather
1 like@JustRoberto We’re at the top of the food chain and we have teeth and digestive system that’s adapted to being omnivores. Wether you value a human life and wild animal’s life the same is morally subjective.
1 like@mind E Lay off the crack pipe, the mass majority of world will never go vegan.
3 likes@GG M do you believe it’s morally right to cause needless and avoidable harm to another being?
2 likes@JustRoberto yes
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0 likes@mind E I'm 100% against animal abuse and specific ways they kill animals.. but I'm not against eating my fish and meats. I hope vegans one day realize overpopulation is a real thing.
0 likes@JustRoberto this whole thread is dumb. I’m thinking of going vegan in the future but why does it matter if somebody likes meat or doesn’t like meat. just let them eat what they want
2 likes@JustRoberto the counter argument is that there is no such thing as objective moralism because moralism in itself is subjective; Veganism is just a different from of pragmatism and you can’t prove that one moral scale is more true or objectively correct than another one
1 like@JustRoberto Humans ≠ wild animals
2 likes@King N_N so you think torture of animals is morally subjective?
1 like@GG M nobody is saying they are equal, I’m saying they’re above the value you prescribe them which seems to be lower than your taste buds
1 like@mind E paradigm shift btw
0 likes"Are you against animal abuse? Then you're already vegan at heart" manipulation of logic and emotion
@JustRoberto necessary for good health, I don't think you have the credibility in biology to be talking the talk
0 likes@人間 I can just cite the position of the largest health health organisations such as the academy of nutrition and dietetics :- “It is the position of the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics that appropriately planned vegetarian, including vegan, diets are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and may provide health benefits for the prevention and treatment of certain diseases. These diets are appropriate for all stages of the life cycle, including pregnancy, lactation, infancy, childhood, adolescence, older adulthood, and for athletes. Plant-based diets are more environmentally sustainable than diets rich in animal products because they use fewer natural resources and are associated with much less environmental damage. Vegetarians and vegans are at reduced risk of certain health conditions, including ischemic heart disease, type 2 diabetes, hypertension, certain types of cancer, and obesity. Low intake of saturated fat and high intakes of vegetables, fruits, whole grains, legumes, soy products, nuts, and seeds (all rich in fiber and phytochemicals) are characteristics of vegetarian and vegan diets that produce lower total and low-density lipoprotein cholesterol levels and better serum glucose control. These factors contribute to reduction of chronic disease. Vegans need reliable sources of vitamin B-12, such as fortified foods or supplements.”
1 likehttps://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27886704/
@mind E shut up
0 likes@mind E meat was made to be eaten, hunting is more humane than not because i.e deer will be killed by another animal that doesnt care if it suffers, and it definitely will suffer. shooting a deer in the head with a bullet will more than likely kill it quicker and therefore less pain endured by the deer, than some coyote chomping its legs off and not giving a damn because its an animal, it doesnt have thought capacity like that
0 likes@JustRoberto why compare humans to animals? what if you we're out in the wild out of nowhere starving and you had to do something to survive, what would you do?
0 likes@UCRTRnRbBXmGn7LN1lkNZQ7g it’s literally necessary for everyone dumb ass. You wouldn’t be wearing your clothes if an animal hadn’t got “slaughtered.” Boo hoo, circle of life. We’re all gonna die one day and it’s not guaranteed that it’s gonna be by age or something. There’s always a bigger predators
0 likes@JustRoberto kudos man! Defending veganism! Seems like lot of excusetarians in the thread tho.. 🥴👄🗣
1 like@JustRoberto we been killing animals since the beginning of time. Other animals kill each other all the time and we kill them to eat food like them and
0 likesAnimals are alive I think humans hype are selves up to much but you can’t get everyone vegan and animals eat to but humans got to realize we are the most invasive species on the planet most destructive and is at the top of the food chain being one of the only species to eat any and everything I don’t mind but I feel like people have no right to call animals invasive or get mad and kill animals if they retaliate at a zoo or kill if an animal kills a human when we do it but worse
1 likeBRUH WHERE IS THIS ARGUMENT GOING?!
0 likes@Perkc huh?
0 likes@mind E then make every animal vegan aswell then well be vegan too alright
0 likes@mind E I had a bacon cheese burger today
0 likes@mind E id gladly slap tf outa a cow or pig but a dog on the other hand that’s fucked up
0 likes@Marshall we’ve been killing each other since the beginning of time and humans kill other humans.
0 likesSee the fact we’ve been doing something for a period of time has no bearing on it being morally good, and again just because another animal does an action, doesn’t mean that action is morally good or bad.
You haven’t made a point you have just stated that we have done this for a long time and other animals do it, yeh and? That’s doesn’t mean we ought to continue needlessly exploiting and harming other animals.
@PingPongSammy humans are animals and we aren’t in a survival situation, when you go to a supermarket and you have a choice do you choose to harm another being or to choose a vegan option instead?
0 likes@Kreed2k you’ve never seen it happen because you haven’t don’t the research, most pesticides use happens in animal agriculture as most crops are grown to feed the animals people eat. So if you care about pesticides, being vegan is a reduction in this issue.
0 likesA little
0 likes@mind E lol
0 likes@JustRoberto who decides whether its unnecessary. There are plenty of reasons and scientific facts why we SHOULD eat meat.
0 likes@JustRoberto 100 years ago you would of never survived or been very unhealthy being a vegan. You can't just go vegan and thats that. You have to take supplements for deficiencies. Guess what. If it wasn't for meat you wouldn't even have those supplements today. Meat is one of the main factors in how we evolved into the humans we are today. So without that you wouldn't even be able to have the option to be a vegan.
0 likes@JustRoberto Most crops aren't grown to feed livestock this is just the justification you use to convince yourself that vegan is the right choice. There is no evidence to support this claim.
0 likesFirstly, humans grown a huge variety of crops only a minority of these end up in the bellies of livestock. sugarcane, rice, potatoes, apples, avocados, tomatoes all the variety of nuts and legumes and many more.
Secondly, 86% of what livestock consume is inedidble waste/byproducts from the crops grown for human consumption.
Don't believe me on that figure? Google it, it's from an FAO study. I am unable to post links that leave YouTube.
@Kreed2k regardless, we still have to grow additional crops to feed to animals, that’s why 80%-90% of soya production from the Amazon rainforest is grown specifically for animal feed. So the point is we still use more pesticides when we eat animals also. And pesticides aren’t a necessity it’s just bad practice when profit is the main motive. Pesticides don’t make it morally okay to cause avoidable harm or to not reduce suffering.
1 like@JustRoberto Soy that ends up in the bellies of livestock is first used to create soy oil which is consumed by humans. The byproduct of that oil production is soy meal which is the product that is fed to livestock.
1 likeSoy oil is about 3 times the price of soy meal by the way.
As I said previously, most of the crops that are grown aren't for livestock. A claim that they are isn't supported by evidence.
This is besides the point in any case, as soy is a small fraction of all the plants grown by humans.
Pesticides are necessary for good crop yields and to avoid waste.
It's likey that all of the plants that you consume have been sprayed with them and they result in a lot of death even if we igore the trillions of insects. You then have the birds that consume those insects. The small mammals such as mice and voles that happen to be on the fields when it is sprayed. Any animal that consume those easy to catch poisoned animals. The death goes all the way up the food chain. Then you have crop protection measures and the death from harvests.
@JustRoberto how are you harming animals in the supermarket when there already dead dude
2 likes@PingPongSammy basic economics, supply and demand, you buy an animal product and that creates more demand, like paying for a hit man. Did you watch the video at all?
0 likes@JustRoberto if people killed them without the animal feeling pain then I don’t see the issue, we have teeth that can bite through meat for a reason. Better than animals getting diseases and dying from those diseases, the farmers give the animals vaccines and generally the animals in decent places live a lot better than they would out in the open.
0 likes@JustRoberto who
0 likes@JustRoberto saying that torturing animals is bad/evil is morally subjective; vegans are just pragmatist who give the lives of animals more value than non-vegans
0 likes@King N_N so you believe its good or that we ought to torture animals?
0 likes@JustRoberto food yummy
0 likes@JustRoberto When there’s a choice not to? Many can not afford to go vegan, some can’t even get the correct supplements to sustain their bodies.
0 likesOur ancestors managed to eat meat, that is why we’ve become more enhanced and smarter. Our brains have even increased in size.
There is no such thing as right or wrong, good or bad, and any other bull shit concept humans have created (If you want to believe in it, then I could really care less. A fat majority of people believe in it when it will never apply to the world ITSELF).
We’re in a world that circulates around a never ending cycle, we will never be able to eliminate the suffering of animals.
Vegans tend to only focus on those in the grasp of humanity, every living organism matters. Not just cows, not just pigs, not just lambs, EVERYTHING. Even us.
Now, let me ask this, what do you think of a lion killing an impala? Or an orca killing a shark and eating its liver?
I’ve had few people tell me, “Dont compare to an animal.”
Wake the fuck up, we’re all animals.
All on equal grounds, all trying to survive.
Kill or be killed, that’s the reality.
However, if you’re vegan, then that’s absolutely great! I have no judgment on that.
I just dislike the morals of those who stand against animal abuse, it’s not something for me to comprehend, but at the same time, it is so I can be more knowledgeable on the matter.
However, don’t get me wrong, I also despise harming animals.
@JustRoberto that's not paying for hit man at all, i get your logic, but the people buying the meat aren't paying for anybody to kill other animals, people have been eating meat for years dude we're not paying anyone kill no animal jidion isn't paying no guy to go shoot an animals. humans we're made to eat meat, period. animals would eat us, we would eat them, no difference. case closed
0 likes@JustRoberto I’m not asserting any point on whether I think it’s right or not I’m just tired of seeing a vegan claim that their way is the righteous way. Because in the end veganism all has to do with opinions and for you to say your opinion is above someone else’s is just showing a superiority complex (in my opinion). Because I believe everybody’s opinions have the same objective value (except some special scenarios, in which veganism is not a part of)
1 likeYea for real
0 likes@DIEGO nah
0 likes@PingPongSammy I’m jk
0 likes@DIEGO oh i though you were serious lol
1 like@King N_N do you believe we ought to harm animals when there’s an alternative to avoid doing so?
0 likes@PingPongSammy case closed? No I don’t think so dude, when you buy animal products you create more demand for animals to be harmed, how else does the meat end up on the shelf? You pay for animals to be harmed and so does your YouTube prank hero
0 likesAlso the length of time we’ve done something doesn’t make it right, we’ve been killing each other for ever also…
@Ephemeralxena do you have the choice though?
0 likes@Britt Egan correct food is yummy, do you think pleasure justifies cruelty to animals?
0 likes@mind E just cuz ur vegan doesn’t mean it’s wrong to kill animals, it is just the circle of life. Obviously I don’t think that animals should be tortured and locked in small cages but, just killing them in a quick and un painful way is not bad it’s just how life works. Simple
0 likes@Krwiomocz.Bogurodzicy Ⓥ your saying plants can’t breathe, also if we kill plants only then we would have an overpopulation of animal’s, our ecosystem would get messed up. And we would turn into sticks withought protein and the nutrients from meats that plants do not have, also, is there any bodybuilders who don’t eat meat? No, also animals would kill us and have to eat us due it over population would drive more animals to eat more stuff, making an ecosystem that is trash,
0 likes@JustRobertodo you believe we should harm bacteria by washing our hands with soap when there’s an alternative to doing so? I don’t understand why my stance on the topic matters, why does me being vegan or not matter
0 likes@JustRoberto Huh? Did you not read my comment? Your question is not relevant to what I said, in fact it was already answered.
0 likesShall I rephrase what I said to fit my own perspective ? If so, then here you go.
No, I do not have that choice as I’m a minor with no source of income.
Supplements are worth 100’s of dollars.
Nor do I choose to go that path, I’ve already dirtied my hands with the meat eaten from animals that died from humanity’s wrath.
Or insects I’ve killed because I feared something so little, their life was taken. Or the flower I ripped out of its habitat.
Those things would have died in vain if I just suddenly go vegan: those animals had to unwillingly give their source of existence to us.
Here’s an example, a pedophile who’s raped kids has been set free.
However, this pedophile is for some reason allowed back in to a neighborhood of an elementary school.
(Of course he is on parol, but that doesn’t mean he can’t gain the ability to do it again.)
He claims, “I’m making a change, I’ve realized that what I’ve done was wrong. I shouldn’t have done what I did.”
So now this pedophile realizes his mistakes, but why did a poor child have to be sacrificed for his ignorance? Why does it take a crime for people to come to a realization? Why couldn’t people do so without sacrificing another organism.
And even so, he was released back in to the neighborhood of an elementary school.
Do you think he’s going to make the change? When he’s already dirtied his hands ..
I am in no means trying to put these two in depth situation on similar grounds, they have their own pedestal.
I’m just giving an example.
Every organism is living, whether it feels pain or not, that’s not what matters.
Every living thing attempts to play in the game of life and death, everyone is a player here.
We all even share the same unwanted fate: death.
There’s no turning back.
@JustRoberto you do know science show that plants feel pain
0 likes@Pingo you ever killed a chicken bro? That shit is horrifying 😭
0 likes@mind E no
0 likes@Pingo my guy
0 likes@Ephemeralxena so you believe it’s justified to exploit and torture non humans because you’ve always participated in doing so and because you’re not 18 yet and because you think a supplement costs more that a chunk of flesh? You can get b12 from fortified plant milks, marmite, nutritional yeast to name some sources. B12 is supplemented to the animals you eat, so why not just take the supplement directly?
0 likesYeah, give a Lion a fruit salad everyday instead of juicy Gazelle meat, see how long it survives. We're omnivores, we were made to eat meat, vegetables, fruits and whatever is edible. Y'all acting like you wouldn't even crack an egg, yet most of you support a woman killing their child while they're in the womb.
0 likesOmar OMAR I’m not vegan but don’t say meat, we got meat on use say animals
0 likes@Carlos Castillejo
0 likes1. "ANIMALS EAT OTHER ANIMALS"
While it is of course true that animals do eat other animals all the time in nature, basing our own ethics, as humans, on the actions of animals, can lead us to all sorts of problems. If we can justify something solely on the basis that animals do it, then we can justify the following: urinating in people's front gardens (dogs do it); sexually penetrating females without their consent (lions do it); smothering our babies to death (lions also do it); vomiting on people's food (flies do it); and so on. People only seem to be interested in justifying human behaviour on one thing that animals do, and that's eating animals.
2. "BUT WE'RE OMNIVORES / WE HAVE CANINE TEETH"
Having body parts that are simply capable of doing something does not mean that we should do it. To use an analogy, imagine if a man sexually assaulted someone, and then to justify his actions, pointed at his penis. Yes, humans can digest animal products, but why does that mean we should? Vegans are living proof that humans can live long, healthy lives without eating any animal products whatsoever, and they have the same biological makeup (teeth, etc.) of any non-vegan person, thus it is unnecessary to harm animals when there are alternatives.
With regards to the teeth, it turns out that our teeth are in no way carnivorous/omnivorous anyway. Humans have flat, blunt teeth, with a jaw capable of moving side to side, just like any herbivore. With regards specifically to our 2 pointy little teeth, these are commonplace in various species of herbivores, such as fruit bats, rhinos, hippos, gorillas, and musk deer (aka the sabre tooth deer), all of which have far larger, sharper canines than our 2 pathetic little apple-crunchers that are completely incapable of even tearing through a pillow, let alone someone's flesh and bone.
If humans even had a single omnivorous instinct, the animal rights movement wouldn't even exist because we'd be too busy drooling over slaughterhouse footage to even care. Rather, when we see slaughter footage, we are repulsed by it. A true omnivore or carnivore would salivate or get hungry.
@Ephemeralxena wtf
0 likes@JustRoberto Jesus, here we go.
0 likesNo, I do not think it’s okay dammit, stop shoving words in my damn mouth.
Torture is torture. Death is death.
I’m talking about the physics behind death, not torture.
They’re on two different levels and carry their own definitions, so don’t start.
And that’s not the only vitamin/supplement I’d have to ingest, if you want me to provide a whole list of what I would need and the correct dosage: then I will gladly do so.
I do not justify torturing a, “Non human.” (They’re animals, you don’t have to clarify them as non-humans. We’re animals to.)
Forgive me if I implied it, I can’t put down every single thing that I believe in, therefore you might have misunderstood me.
I just don’t have the time nor money to invest myself in becoming vegan, I have school, college, and getting a job to worry about.
And even if this plan of mine would work: the clothes I wear, the shoes I wear, and every piece of accessory I have contains the tears of those who worked hard to make it.
There’s just so much to explain, and I can’t explain my whole morals in just one comment.
Everyone is suffering, you, me, the animals kept in zoos, a bearded dragon who has a metabolic bone disease, the bird that passed away due to heat exhaustion, and the animals who’re killed for humanity’s own benefit.
I can’t do anything about it, nothing, I’m just someone who’s living their life.
Not in a positive way, I mean I’m literally trying to live through my circumstances.
My apologies if I offended you.
@Ephemeralxena you can do something though, you can purchase plant based foods instead which are cheaper if you stick to things like lentils, beans, tofu, chickpea, rice, potatoes, apples, bananas, oats, pasta, carrots, pears, peas etc. Then you could by clothes that aren’t first hand animal based clothes like fur, leather etc. Everyone is recommended to take a b12 supplement in the USA 30-40% of people are deficient in b12, it’s not a vegan issue that’s just misinformation. B12 is supplemented to animals in their feed as they also have the same issue we do. The science literature is clear on plant based diets, they’re healthier and more environmentally friendly. You just gotta spend some time relearning as you haven’t been taught this information. Animals don’t deserve to have their rights violated for a burger.
0 likes@Carlos Castillejo we’re not lions, we don’t need to systematically exploit other beings for food, clothing or entertainment etc. Fruit salad isn’t the only option also. You can still eat all the same food but the vegan version.
0 likes@JustRoberto Yes, I am aware of all those foods. I am a person who is fed a variety of categories, but I’ll say it again, I can’t do anything.
0 likesI’m a minor and am close to graduation, in which I have my own worries since I’m wrapped up in society just like everyone else.
Animals don’t have rights, we can’t apply our way of thinking to them .. realistically speaking, humans don’t either.
Creating rights, the U.S amendments for example, are nothing but to keep “peace.”
So people don’t have to live in fear and experience real terror, they were made.
If humans didn’t produce morals and a way of communication, we wouldn’t be sitting here having a debate.
We’d be quite similar to our other neighboring in habitants, but instead we have the ability to empathize.
Which to each their own when deciding if it’s good or bad thing.
I don’t plan on changing, I’m already set on my current enjoyments of food, it was engraved in my head since I was born.
I can’t make a change, there will still be other animals dying and suffering, I’m sorry if I can’t agree with your morality and jurisdiction.
I don’t believe in any concept such as good or bad, right or wrong.
Personally, I’d rather try protesting to our authorities to stop expanding farms and reduce the amount of meat production.
Or produce a sanctuary where I can help as much as I can.
But it will never be enough, making a small plot of land for a sanctuary will never save everyone in need.
Its practically me attempting to pity them because they’re suffering, because they’re dying.
I’m trying my best to explain this, sorry if I leave anything out.
I will take a deeper look in to whatever would help me better understand those who wish to go plant based,
As someone who finds everyone on equal grounds, despite having a hierarchy, I’m proud that you’re arguing for what seems right to you.
So, if it makes this situation any better, since I’m a meat eater, I have come to always welcome the thought of dying by any means necessary.
If I were to be kidnapped, raped, and brutally murdered: I’m fine with it.
If I were to be killed in a car crash, that’s great.
If I were to be shot, that’s fine to.
I want to repay with my own life, I want to experience the suffering those who died for me.
For I will finally be equal with those that died for humanity’s sake.
Omar OMAR vise versa I’m just sayin people can’t get mad when animals eat humans
0 likesOmar OMAR why can we get mad it’s the circle of life animals need to eat too there alive with a brain and a caunsis so we kill animals to eat and abs the other way around that’s how life works but killing for fungi don’t think is the same
0 likes@mind E ok then be consistent with your logic you hypocrite.
0 likesDo you need a phone to survive? (A phone that required caves being built which took the homeland of animals and killed them)
Do you need the roof over your head(you could live in nature and take up way less materials using a tent or something so saving more ecosystems)
Do you need to go to school to learn English?(Schools are buildings which were once land where animals lived)
See how your logic is flawed and how much of a hypocrite you are being by using that logic. You can’t pick and choose.
Why is it fine for you to destroy habitats with the roof Over your head but not fine for someone to eat meat from an animal killed in a factory?
Me watching this video thinking about the chicken wrap I’m about to order
0 likes@mind E nah its definitely necessary. not everyone likes the disgusting taste of chemically altered plant meats, and whats necessary is for people to eat. Some people are more sensitive in taste and simply cant eat things that taste like trash, and thus it is obviously necessary to have normal meat. You dont get to decide whats necessary at all for people. You're ignorant
0 likes@mind E tf? Ur asking us to take it seriously whilst you’re insulting the fact that we are eating meat? I’m not respecting your opinion if you’re not respecting mine. Also, it’s literally how we’re made. Humans were created to eat and hunt animals for meat. Just because we found a more efficient and actually quite a lot of the time more humane way to do it doesn’t mean we’re monsters? It means we’re smart and living up to the potential that we were made to live up to. Don’t get me wrong, eat whatever the fuck you wanna eat I couldnt care less, and I won’t abuse you if I see you eating a vegan meal, but if you’re out here telling us we are wrong and need to change our opinions on how we eat, that’s fucked up. Mind your business and keep your opinions, diet, lifestyle, etc to yourself because it’s joy the only one out there.
1 likeIs no one going to bring up the issue of overpopulation of animals if we just let them reproduce.
0 likes@JustRoberto the “other options” are twice as expensive & half as nutritious, so yes, it is a necessity for a lot of us. Have fun with your morally superior & expensive lifestyle, lets see who actually makes it to 100.
0 likesThe amount of times he brought up "animals are shot in the head, and they're slit in the throat" 🤣🤣
2 likesY is he actually good at arguing logically?😭
0 likes“If it tastes good eat it.”
5 likes- JiDion
When veganism is a matter of animal "abuse", the argument falls apart completely for me. That is because "abuse" quite literally means to misused or mishandled. But if you're a Christian, then you believe God granted humans reign over animals (i.e. use them for food, etc.) so in your eyes, it would not be animal "abuse". There's no misuse, you are using animals as they were intended.
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Yes in theory but in practice we have an industry that actually creates an artificial shortage to keep prices up thus overstocking product which eventually expire therefore creating waste, we never in history were able to produce so much food so efficiently yet over 30% ends up directly discarded into locked dumpsters to keep it from people in need to consume it.
0 likesParadoxically the abundance of food (bad quality one) helped billions of people from starvation yet mortality rate hasn't decreased, instead people die from diseases associated with obesity and unhealthy diets
Honestly, God gave us dominion over the animals, and in my opinion, we should use them for food and other animal products BUT, we need to be fair "rulers" and treat them with some respect in the process.
4 likesBruh, “there’s no misuse” uhhhhhhh no there is… you are just ignorant and haven’t done your research… we are in Babylonian times these animals are mass tortured, they aren’t respected at all. Some of them never see the light of day their entire lives. What goes on with animal killing today goes very much again God.
0 likesIf we were giving these animals a good life & slaughtering them ethically, then your argument would be ok, but that’s not what we’re doing.
0 likesLmao would’ve been jokes if JiDion was like “all animals go to heaven tho so it’s all good”
0 likesthis dudes points were so good tho ngl 😭😭
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Piggie go in belli yum 😋 😋 😋
87 likessame dude
2 likesyou should check out earthling ed, his videos are on point
10 likesStill gonna eat meat though
40 likesEliteAthlete15 fact
7 likesEliteAthlete15 we don’t need it to survive
4 likesFacts twin
5 likes@Sanity LMAOOOOO
1 like@Rich Savage Ayo???
0 likesEliteAthlete15 oh and also its better getting killed fast rather than getting eaten alive by like 6 animals.
9 likesEliteAthlete15 i agree with you, i never saw the idea of animals shouldn't be killed for food as a valid argument because that's what humans have been doing for thousands of years, the only difference now is a lot of times animals are raised and killed in a more industrialized way. a lot of people have a problem with that but for me meat is meat lol
13 likes@JoelJacobsFitness nope we don’t we are omnivores tho
4 likes@Dapper Kev lol no
1 like@JoelJacobsFitness obviously
0 likes@chumpstain not obvious to some people
1 likeMost mammals are carnivores vegans are dumbs humans aren’t the only one eating other animals. If he came across a big ass tiger it’s gonna eat him not the pretty flower next to him
3 likes@boredom Be careful appealing to normality. Lots of things that we've done for thousands of years that are outdated.
3 likesI understand more of the vegan position. We don't live in times where we have to slaughter animals to eat. I'm not a vegan, however they do make compelling arguments if you want to look toward the future.
EliteAthlete15 Exactly
0 likes@Zentomaster yeah i agree
1 likeExcept theres one thing that debunks all of his points. The food chain.
9 likesWithout humans there’s a chance that some species can become overpopulated or underpopulated. Animals are meant to be eaten.
9 likes@Chaz Clemons most of them wouldn’t be alive without us. Animals like cows and pigs are so domesticated that they would be viciously killed by something else immediately if humans released them. So as long as it ain’t dying in an inhumane way, I don’t mind.
1 like@Chaz Clemons I wouldn’t say that
0 likesI love steak
2 likesno he aint animals eat animals its how the world works plants feel too they develop defenses to stop themselves from gettin eaten etc n ion care about "we dont need to eat meat" we dont need to do 99% of the things we do as humans but we do ppl needa get over themselves
0 likes@boredom mfs also had slaves for thousands of years and believed in the stupidest shit and bro u said meat is meat gotta hold the pause after that
1 likeEliteAthlete15 Imagine comparing us humans to wild animals. Shall we all just go back to caveman ways with your logic? We aren't cavemen anymore, we don't need meat to survive, other animals do. There is plenty of documentaries and scientific studies that show that eating meat is wrong and that the practices are in no way shape or form healthy for us other than you wanting to get "protein" from one thing out of millions. And this is coming from a meat eater, but atleast I can acknowledge this and admit to it. Force breeding, metal and other scraps that animals pick up during their lifetime and from factory/slaughter house workers being included in the meat we get and allowed through the FDA is not healthy at all. You're using a argument from the bible that "animals are meant to be eaten", slave owners used that same argument at a time and thought that black people were on earth to serve them and be used. You're not woke by blatantly using natural selection in the wrong manner either.
2 likes@Eddy Are you saying that forcibly breeding them and chopping their heads off isn't inhumane? Not to mention killing them if they are born the wrong gender. Does inhumane even apply to animals? Cycle of life.
0 likes@Chaz Clemons You sound stupid. What do you think the circle of life is? Or the food cycle? The saying "animals are meant to be eaten" came from the bible and saying that people used to combat veganism. If we're using credits from the bible, the bible also says that rape is justifiable and okay. It also says that enslaving people is okay and that slaves should obey their master at all costs.
0 likes@Tony just realized how wrong it sounded lmao
1 like@guap k gang I’m finna be 100% wit u, Idc bout none of ts nomo if u vegan be that idgaf bout that shit bruh all Ik is I eat meat. My family hunts for dear meat we once raised pigs for pig meat and shit like that. Food is food regardless and food is a survival method, could we all stop eating meat and eat plants? Yes we could but not everyone wants to, that doesn’t mean we are wrong for eating meat. In science class you learn that plants live just like animals and humans, if that’s the case aren’t plants being grown by farmers in a controlled area similar to how animals are raised in a controlled area. Just cuz plants don’t make sounds doesn’t mean they don’t have any type of personality right? Cuz shit I don’t know if they do or don’t I’m just giving you scenarios so u can understand how wrong you are and how wrong I might be. Neither side is right so why do vegans try to overdo shit. Eat ur veggies in peace instead of trying to push that shit.
1 likeEliteAthlete15 he was spittin about the bible being stupid tho
0 likes@D Chris I’m not vegan, but that argument isn’t good. What humans do to animals is the equivalent of a mass genocide. Obviously There’s no other animals killing other animals at the massive extent that we do.
1 likeYea I'm a meat eater but I don't think animals do what we do.
0 likesJiDion a legend
0 likesEliteAthlete15 don't most animals rape cause they want to ?
0 likesI mean they are just logical lol
0 likes@JoelJacobsFitness and? We don’t need vegetables to survive
0 likes@The Council I hope your joking
0 likes@JoelJacobsFitness you don’t. I hope you’re the one joking
0 likes@The Council you obviously know nothing lol
0 likes@JoelJacobsFitness and you do? Lol stfu and go look it up.
0 likes@The Council you do realise spices comes from plants right, vegetables can also help change the flavour of the food + it also provides many other nutritions
0 likes@Ev3rly yes but you can still survive without it.
0 likes@Rich Savage I want black meat
0 likesEliteAthlete15 There’s nothing wrong with an “emotional” argument if both people agree on that argument (that killing animals/torture/anything else he brought up is bad/unethical). If I go around kicking babies am I good because anyone who criticizes just emotional?
0 likesAlso depends on the premise and there wasn’t one premise, they just discussed things. One main point was whether or not what jidion is fucked up/disrespectful and emotions are 100% important when you’re discussing that.
This comment really makes no sense lmao, its just a way for you to shove in your common talking point “killing animals isn’t bad because etc” which people can agree and disagree on, but that doesn’t mean he’s arguing badly because its emotional. If he and Jidion (not you) both agree that something is unethical then you go from there. I’m just repeating myself at this point because I don’t see how 76 people thought your comment made any logical sense.
EliteAthlete15 I didn’t bring up babies to argue whether or not kicking babies is bad, I brought it up to point our that your definition for bad discussion is literally wrong. People liked your comment because they agree that they don’t care about what happens to animals, but your nonsense about “its an emotional argument” is stupid. How do you think laws are made? How do people decide what is right and what is wrong?
0 likesAnd this still doesn’t change the fact that when talking about if what he did is fucked up (which is the main purpose for their discussion in the first place) talking about emotions is very necessary.
But ignore that and start talking about how kicking babies is “clearly unethical” because you don’t want to accept the fact that your bs about emotional arguments makes no sense.
EliteAthlete15 bro idk why my comment sounded so hostile but don’t take it the wrong way, I just disagree with you. It’s very important to talk about emotions on a discussion like this about whether something is ethical. Definitely if you’re also talking about whether or not he disrespected people, but also when you’re talking about veganism.
0 likesIf you think animals dying in harsh ways (or whatever arguments he brought up) doesn’t matter, that’s fine. But if its a conversation about whats ethical, and jidion + the guy both agree that its fucked up, then there’s nothing wrong with that discussion. Even people who eat meat can agree that the conditions they live and die in is fucked up, thats why a lot of them make the argument “we’re not torturing them, its just one clean cut” and other similar stuff.
EliteAthlete15 So you just contradicted yourself. You tell me not to discredit the bible and then go on to discredit the bible yourself by now following those that you preach about? You just wrote 2 paragraphs repeating the same thing, and not once did you bring up a source or actually address my message with a counter point, which makes me believe you're no older than 16. Nobody said Jesus wasn't real, moron. Lmao, I'm a Christian myself. My point is, meat eaters can't use the defense "animals were put on earth to be eaten, supported by the bible", and then go on to not acknowledge that same mentality with rape and enslaving people in the bible. Grow up.
0 likesEliteAthlete15 You're 12 and white
0 likesEliteAthlete15 you do realize that animals are bred and raised in terrible abusive conditions just to be slaughtered. It’s not natural what the meat industry does. They genetically modify animals and breed them with the purpose to live a short life in terrible conditions to be killed for consumption. It’s not a natural cycle.
0 likesEliteAthlete15 but most are, unless you’re eating locally raised. But the point is we over consume meat and animal products as a society so the meat industry capitalizes on that by creating these massive disgusting slaughter houses. If we stop over consuming animal product then eventually these places will go away. We have an overpopulation of animals because of the slaughter houses anyways. It’s not healthy for our planet as well.
0 likesDeoooo
0 likesEliteAthlete15 although I dont like your argument, was being a bit of a liar. He said “animals are shot in the head and get their throats slit”
0 likesbut in reality it is the most humane way possible and they dont feel a thing, and the throat is slit once its dead so its not like its still alive
@Zentomaster you* don't live in times where animal slaughter is necessary. In the US theres 300 million people, a good percentage of ehich fall under the poverty line. And that's just the U.S, globally it's just a fact of life that slaughterhouses exist for our consumption. I understand the morality behind the vegan movement but it's being done in the wrong way, even if 100% of the U.S population went vegan, alond with 100% of the EU, there'd still be billions of people waiting to eat. Not to mention, if people were successful to even a quarter of these percentages than all it'd do is make life for the animals worse, as the business owners won't put as much money into the animals quality of life.
0 likesWhat should be done is instead a demand for regulation through law and to instead raise awareness on certain companies and use cancel culture for that. Boycott specific comlanies, not your daily diet.
@Juh I'm not a vegan, and don't really subscribe to a lot of their viewpoints. Then again, I'm not versed in this debate anyway. I do agree with you; but I will say that my comment was never meant to be taken literally. I was just establishing our advancement in technology in creating vegan alternatives. I apologize for any confusion.
0 likes@Zentomaster youre all good, no need to apologize.
0 likesThe vegan guy was actually understanding and not just screaming at you. Kinda a w guy
1 likeboth sides had good points and arguments ngl. also gotta respect how both sides took everything seriously without stirring the pot to something bigger and starting issues
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What’s your moral justification for needlessly killing innocent animals
0 likes@Veganix matching dietary needs of humans to continue life, is part of life. just like the regular food chain. just like humans, animals kill other animals in order to eat.
0 likes@Veganix needless tho innocent tho
0 likesFood clothing medication etc doesn’t require justification and morality is subjective
Jidion knows what's up that's so awesome I never knew he liked the Bible 💯💯
0 likesI’m over here eating a all meat pizza while watching this 😂
0 likesLmao this guy's a king😆
0 likesHe was actually pretty chill ngl
0 likesJodion: that’s what you believe and I respect it
0 likes*cooks meat in vegan restaraunt
bruh I would've laughed my ass off if you brought a cow upstairs because it won't go back down lol
0 likesDababy? JiDion is not Dababy he's well respected and loved as always don't care what other says big love for ya man you always brings the entertainment in i love it keep it up man 😁👍👍👍
0 likeshe said “it’s not needed” i believe otherwise 😂 everyone has to eat, it’s strictly for survival not for the brutality of animals 😂😂
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He means it's not necessary to eat meat. You don't need to eat meat to survive.
0 likesThis kid is an excellent communicator. Great self control and willingness to listen.
22 likesVegan dude was pretty cool but he didn't understand that when Jidion was talking about belief he was not talking as if there wasn't animals being killed, he was actually saying that his(Jidion's) belief was that for him it isn't morally wrong to kill those animals for food.
1 likeYour points were actually spot on lol
0 likesThat Finland guy is crazy, "Believe what i believe or you are evil!" lol
0 likesDam jidion was making a point😳
0 likesActually Well Articulated, I Appreciate Him That Much More.
0 likesIf only everyone in society was this civilised. I'm looking at YOU Tyrone! O_O
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I think you mean de andre
1 likeWARNING ⚠️ JESUS COMMANDS YOU TO REPENT OR PERISH!!!! YOUR SOUL IS ON THE LINE!!!!
0 likesI 💗 Meat. Is good for me to eat. Weather land or sea, them brotha's are taesty.
0 likesWatching this while eating a burger this shits bussin
2 likesGot to see a different side of JiDion, keep up the good work bromo.
0 likes"The bible justifies slavery, ya know that right" was actually a fire comeback.
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@Nightblood love a violent free life. Be vegan
0 likesIt was. I’m not even vegan but I don’t like how JiDion wasn’t listening to the guy’s point about modernizing the Bible.
0 likesHe’s right, there are many things in the Bible that its followers do not follow literally. Its justification of slavery is a good example, but instead JiDion just goes “uuuuhh beliefs whatever”.
And slaughterhouses AREN’T in the Bible. The act of sacrificing a lamb is not comparable to the massive size cruelty slaughter houses commit. You guys realize there are humane ways to eat animals right? That is not was slaughter houses do, which is the problem.
he seems like a good guy fr though
0 likesI love how he had to buy a new grill
0 likesAs a Christian, I just want to say real quick that it’s important to remember the context of scripture and that the definition of slavery in biblical times is FAR different than how we know it in a modern understanding. That’s all I wanted to say. God bless 💜
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Yea the slavery the Bible mentioned is not the same as the slavery we had here in the United States about racism . It’s another form to slavery. Like Indentured servitude
38 likes@HighScore47 definitely a better way of thinking about it. Slavery in biblical times was very much focused on a strong relationship between servant and master. It was often thought of to be a joy when you were a “slave”. You were kept and fed well, often with a reward at the end of your tenure
26 likes@iHoosier4 What about the Jew slaves ancient Egypt had in the Old Testament? To my knowledge, they weren't in joy or handed a reward at the end of their tenure. Were there different kind of ''slaves''? If so, was the Bible approving only some types of ''slavery''?
8 likes@About Time good question. I’ll preface with the fact that I do not know all the answers. However, the slavery that the Bible “condones”, if you will, had a sort of blessing from God. It was a relationship built on faith with both parties invested in their faith. However, when Egypt enslaved the Jews, this was an example of evil coming into play. This was the work of man and not the slave relationship that God had intended, just like slavery that was built on racism. Egypt had a very oppressive rule and it wasn’t until Moses that they, the Jews, were led out of that rule. I encourage you to do your own research on the topic!
8 likes@iHoosier4 Thanks for the kind explanation. I will study on my own with the basis of what you told me.
1 likevissipio Yea I don't know much about the topic. Thought the Bible approved some sort of slavery.
1 likeThe damn Bible does allow slavery, sanctions it and sets its rules. You get to beat your slave and won't suffer consequences if they don't die in 3 days. You get to keep your Jewish slaves wives and children if the husband is freed etc. The Bible is a screwed up book written by people who lived totally different than what the world is today. Their norms would be considered barbaric today.
12 likesBut most of those slaves became slaves because they either praise other gods or their nation lost wars
2 likes@Figaro Figaro His argument where the Bible justifys slavery is incorrect. Bible protected slaves. Slavery was way different back then, lemme explain. Back then people became slaves of there own free will because they would be provided shelter a place to stay, food etc, so people became slaves of there own free will, the Bible never once said go make someone a slave against there will. The Bible protected slaves from death and things like that. You can’t take the Bible out of context. So the Bible never justified bad slavery, it justified good slavery and I’ll explain one more time, people became slaves of there own free will back then yes some people forced people as slaves but they were disobeying God because God never said go make someone ur slave without there consent. So the Bible encouraged good slavery where the slaves were protected not encourage bad slavery where the slaves could be killed. I’ll say it one more time, people signed a contract of there own free will to become a slave And in return they would recive shelter food etc. God protected slaves from death and things like that with his rules on slavery.
5 likesLeviticus 25:44-46
1 like‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves.
@ttoys Customs you said that God never said to go make someone your slave without consent. Explain numbers 31:17-18 where Moses supposedly said to take the little girls as sex slaves. The verse doesn’t specify say slaves but you don’t have to be a rocket scientist to know what’s going on. Why are little girls being allowed to be taken by the men?
3 likesAmen
0 likes@That guy you are trying to put two and two together, but that isn’t how the chapters before it went. Previously the children of Israel went to the promised land. The midianite where told that the land in front of them was part of the moabites and to go around, but the midianites wanted to go and have a holy war with them, because a physical war would be difficult to win. So they told the women to do it with the men of Israel to go back on their believes. Than later on Moses said to them: “kill all the boys and women who slept with a man but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man” so you just picked it out of context.
1 like@That guy Numbers 31:17 reads as follows “Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.” Idk WHAT version you’re reading that mentions slavery.
1 like@Michael Manso ok no problem. You claimed I didn’t contextualize the situation and you were just presented with the opportunity to do so. How does that in any way discredit what I said or even refute what I said? I responded to a specific point of someone where they claimed that God never said to go make someone you slave without their consent and brought a clear passage were this was the case. You didn’t refute what I said you just “contextualized” it yet the fact still remains and those little girls were taken kn without their consent
0 likes@sbright21 as I stated it doesn’t have to say slavery to actually be slavery. Let’s look at the definition of a slave according to the Martian Webster dictionary. “Slave: : a person held in forced servitude”. If keeping “the young ones for yourself” isn’t forced servitude then I don’t know what is. They were clearly sex slaves
1 likeExodus 21:16
0 likes@Michael Manso Imagine saying someone is taking a Bible verse out of context. When in real historical context there is no evidence of a Jesus ever existing or any of these stories being substantiated. The Bible in its word approves of enslaving young female virgins to rape and killed their families, which is genocide.
2 likes@Figaro Figaro there's actually tons of evidence of Jesus' existence
5 likesCan somebody help explain this to me in easier English
0 likes@Figaro Figaro people really eat that shit up bro, breakfast, lunch and dinner. 😂😂😂
1 like@Wee Wee Same "evidence" that Spiderman, Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny existed. Look at the Bible objectively.
0 likesslavery apologist
2 likes@Vox S lol no
0 likesWe are slaves now working for the government
0 likes@iHoosier4 yes that's literally what you're doing.
0 likes@Figaro Figaro nope. All I’m saying is that it is important to remember the context and that the meaning of slavery in biblical times versus how we understand it today is different. I never once said I support slavery, in fact I’m strongly opposed, especially in our modern understanding. You’re putting words in my mouth
0 likesAlso The Bible doesn’t rlly encourage slavery and warns slave owners about having them
1 likeVoid listen to history bro, this is litteraly how it was back then you just wanna deny it, people became slaves of there own free will for free shelter and food and house etc, not every single slave owner is bad there is a lot of slave owners who treated there slaves as family. People signed up to be slaves
0 likesVoid Bible verse?
0 likesVoid I’m not sugar coating it. Slavery was different in biblical times. People often wanted to be in slavery willingly, signing contracts and being given food and a place to stay. They were released after a certain period of time, with a reward at the end. The relationship was entirely different. I’m not justifying slavery, especially not slavery in our modern understanding. Simply pointing out that it’s important to remember the context
1 like@iHoosier4 Were you alive during biblical times lol
0 likesWell by your understanding, Christianity is outdated and should not be followed.
0 likes@Musa Harun Correct 😂
1 like@Figaro Figaro That in the bible, but that the Torah (a Jewish scripture) in the Old Testament you talking about NOT the Gospel (a Christian scripture) in the New Testament, of which Christians have to or suppose to follow the Gospel NOT the Torah!
1 likeBut their is actually people out there that follow the Torah...
1 likeThey call Jews
So ya your antisemitic and a nazi, so beat that 😎
@GoofierClock I hate all religions equally
0 likesI just ate a double whopper eating this without any second thought😂
1 likeWhat JiDion needed to say is that yes - it is a FACT that animals are dying, but whether that’s wrong or not is a BELIEF just like the other dude denied it was.
0 likesI happen to agree with him that it’s fucked up, but he’s still wrong about it not being a belief
They became philosophical after the prank lol
0 likesJiDion is now my favourite philosopher lmao
0 likesAt least the animals could roam freely, play around, and live in peace until the day they never knew was coming. But those poor plants they were tortured confined to the little bit of ground they have with the sole purpose of being eaten. They had it worse, at least the animals did experience some happy moments.
1 likeCould of put up a way better argument though. Every once in a while I get into it with my siblings. My one sister decided to go vegan like 12 years ago when she was 12 after seeing some video of a slaughterhouse and all that. She said she did it for the animals at that time.
25 likesAt the time I was like good for her. If she can do it andnit makes her happy so be it. She then convinced my other sister and one brother to go vegan as well a few years later.
But then it was like a cult or some crazy group. I would hear her watching videos saying how us meat eaters have been brainwashed and blah blah blah. Like it was some crazy shit.
So then I decided to start a discussion one night. It made me angry because they try to make me feel like a terrible person and crazy because I eat meat. I didn't do that to them when they went vegan. I just said you do you.
But my brother had a little more to say and said he does it for the future of society. Not just because he doesn't want animals harmed. But he told me that slaughterhouses and the like make up for a very large part of the pollution problem we face.
I honestly didn't know that and I looked it up and saw it was true. So it was a decent argument but I said why because of your belief is it ok to put me down and make me feel like a terrible person which he had no real answer.
I also said I mean our bodies were meant to eat meat. Vegans can't just be vegan and live a healthy life. They have to take all kind of supplements to make up for the deficiencies they have BECAUSE they don't eat any meat. So why if we were born and our bodies were meant to eat meat is it wrong?
It just baffles me because like you said. A lot of them are crazy and go to far and think just because they have a good cause its ok. Just do your part and do what you think is right and let the rest of us live our life. And only because of science, technology and knowledge are they even able to have so many vegan choices. If we went back 100 years I'd love to see them survive without eating any meat.
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I meant meat farms and meat processing plants cause a lot of pollution. The slaughterhouses send dangerous waste into the water affecting aquatic life and other things*
2 likesYeah I got some crazy ass family like that too best thing I do is ignore them cus they lack the ability to listen once they're at that point. Nice story bro.
1 likeWe were actually created to eat vegetables but I agree with you
1 likeOnly supplement is B12, unless the vegan has abnormal health conditions.
0 likesokay slaughterhouses cause pollution okay and? At this point in society name something that majority of humans benefit from that DOESN'T cause pollution. Automobiles cause pollution but without them production in society will slow down to crazy lows since peoples' commutes will be crazy long.
0 likesCows fart out methane gas that is 23 TIMES more damaging to climate than carbon dioxide from cars.
Shit, if our ancestors never ate meat we'd still be throwing spears and living in caves because the meat from animals helped develop our brains to the point we're able to live a society of such technological advancement in the first place. Yep thats right the same vegans calling us crazy and bashing us because we don't fall into their weird ass cult culture are enjoying the technology of today because their ancestors ATE MEAT.
Humans are OMNIVORES. We need meat just as we need vegetables and plant based foods. A diet with no meat makes for a weak human
Their decision to be vegan isn’t based off of a “belief”. Beliefs can be true or false. It is a FACT that eating meat is (1) cruel and (2) harmful to the environment. They aren’t causing harm unlike you are. Technically you are a terrible person for eating meat lol. I’m not saying this because I’m vegan, I eat meat and fish myself, I’m just saying it how it is. It wasn’t wrong to eat meat in the past because it all comes down to today’s overpopulation and extremely high demand of meat. Nobody is forcing anybody to be vegan. They are however opening your eyes to the damage you cause by choosing to eat meat.
1 likeOur bodies were not meant to eat meat. Not like you see apes or monkeys go around eating meat and stuff. The only reason people back then ate meat was to gain the nutrients from that animal that the animal gained from eating inedible things like grass and such. The native Americans ate the Buffalo in high amounts because the Buffalo ate stuff they could not eat and they ate the Buffalo in turn to gain the nutrients the Buffalo has. All nutrients that we can find in animals we can find in plants and their products. The only reason we eat meat now is because of recipes made by our ancestors to make the meat taste better and we passed those recipes down to now as tradition. I’m not really considered vegan but I do eat a lot more plants than I do animals due to the health precautions meat has. I only eat meat for family gatherings and large events tbh.
1 likethey dont need that many supplements as long as they're eating properly and some vegans are extreme af but there will always be those people. there are meat lovers who are extreme af and there are many people with different beliefs who are extreme af. veganism is more healthy, i just couldn't do it myself.
0 likesGo on the american dietetic association and look what they say about the vegan diet. It is healthy for all stages of life and can lower risk of some cancers. This is based on alot of peer reviewed studies and meta analysis.
0 likes@Hansel Carmona Technically we're terrible for eating meat....? Tf does that even mean. So every human to ever exist is terrible because at one point in everyone's life they ate the flesh of another animal. Dumb logic.
0 likes@Cain Magnetic I literally never said ANY of that lmao. Mfs rlly like to twist my words Nd shit 🤦🏻♂️. Humans of the past weren’t mass murdering animals in unethical ways and destroying the planet in the process. Animal farming is the cause for 14.5 percent of all greenhouse gases in the atmosphere m.
0 likes@Hansel Carmona Obviously humans back then werent advanced enough to process meat en mass as we do today, duh. The original point was that we wouldn't be as developed of a species in the first place if it wasnt for the consumption of meat and that is SCIENTIFIC FACT. It is NOT a fact that eating meat is cruel that is YOUR BELIEF. A fact is something that is indefinitely 100% true. An opinion like "eating meat is cruel" is NOT A FACT.
0 likesThat being said, you deny you called people terrible for eating meat but then all you have to do is scroll up and see your original reply which you did in FACT say, and I quote, "Technically you are a terrible person for eating meat lol."
The belief that a vegan lifestyle is better for the world is just that. A belief. Not a fact just your personal belief. Eating meat has its benefits on the human body and is just as essential to your physical body just as plant based foods.
@Cain Magnetic you’re so ignorant bro lmao. Please explain to me how slaughtering animals in the most Inhumane ways possible isn’t animal cruelty. Like… you’re making no sense at all. It’s not just a belief that eating vegan is better for the world because animal agriculture is the cause for about 14.5% of all green house gases in the atmosphere. Eating vegan is the most efficient way for an individual to reduce their carbon footprint. Nobody is stopping you from eating meet. Just say u don’t care about animals and you don’t care about climate change 🤦🏻♂️ It’s not that hard to do
0 likes@Carlos Mendez thats actually not quite true
0 likes@Jdm Guy How lmao, we were created with herbivore teeth, but we've evolved to omnivore😂 I was just saying the way humans were created
0 likesI'm a meat eater but I'd be lying if I didn't consider giving it up every now and then. It sucks that its the best thing to gain muscle with and be allround healthy
0 likesbro is the definition of underrated
1 likeLove how she hints in things like “daddy” in the subtitles.
0 likesTbh he really has some great points
0 likesAside all the jokes and pranks, Jidion is smart you can see it in this video he knows a lot and he has his facts and everything
0 likesI feel so bad for dude he’s just trying to have a serious civil conversation with him and he’s barley taking it serious.😂 savage
91 likesits kind of sad that this is the highest level of fire content he could put up. Like his videos aren't getting better which means they have reached got tier level videos
1 likeI got pranked 🤦♂️ I appreciate you using your channel for such an important discussion, respect for including the main points of our conversation.
30 likesI dare you to watch "Dominion documentary" here on YouTube, and when you decide to go vegan Google "Challenge22" for a free vegan starter pack 🙌
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animal meat is delicious
7 likes@Polo Jay ngl it is
4 likesLmaooo bro look I’m vegan and I’m not gonna sit here and judge somebody else’s preference of food because it’s not effecting me but bro just know that shit isn’t going in my body 🤷🏾♂️😂 this shit was guts tho
0 likesThat lamb sacrifice line was solid
0 likesMan jidion was acting like my dad when he was on that call 💀
1 likeW for mans sitting back and having a grown up convo good content bro
0 likesGiving that old lady a hug was random and awesome at the same time 😂
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I was looking for someone to comment this bruh that shit has me dying 😂😂
0 likesThis man Jadiddyon is my spirit animal.
1 likeAs soon as someone says their belief isn't a belief but an object truth means you won't find any kind of common ground lmao
0 likesYou're everything I ever wanna be😭
0 likesJiDion is a legend
0 likesThis is his funniest video 😂👍
0 likesYou’re a W man for apologising to him!
41 likesjidion made lowkey smart statements lol
0 likesI can’t trust anybody who avoids religion all together. It proves they don’t want to learn more and they think they are enough to solve anything.
0 likesBro someone tell me how the guy who takes baths in zoom meetings just folded a vegan expert in a debate
0 likesI understand a vegans POV but the same thing goes for lions in the wild, they viciously tear apart zebras etc. Another example can be snakes and the buying and selling of rats. My snake isn’t gonna become vegan… Meat is a need for human diet in many reasons
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Thats not the same. If we only ate the meat necessary it would be different imo but we breed the animals only to have them live in cages, pumped with chemicals and to eat them. Its really cruel. Also as the meat industry grows they keep making more space for it and thats one of the main causes of climate change. If people only ate the meat needed naturally then it would be fine but its not that way. I dont think eating meat is bad but in this comment section it seems like everybody is really close minded and that nobody even understands why its wrong. I think its partially because we don’t want to admit to ourselves we’re doing harm so it’s easier to shift blame.
1 like@Max Zettinig I understand where your coming from I try to be as open minded as possible. But what your arguing is more of an animal cruelty problem then an actual vegan and meat consumption and yes I understand it has turned into this big industry but at the same time, like my snake example, the same thing is being done to these rats but we aren’t gonna make snakes Vegan
2 likes@Max Zettinig the meat industry isn't one of the main causes for climate change alone it's the food industry in itself both meats and plants need to be imported from where they're produced to stores around the world, releasing greenhouse gases and then when the food comes to your plate let's say you bought 5 kgs of food, and you only ate 3 kgs of that food now the remaining 2 kgs are going to decompose and release greenhouse gases. When a cow burps or pisses that would usually be reused by nature in some way but of course if its in high emissions it does cause problems, but these issues aren't found in just the meat industry the plant industry is a problem for the planet just as much for example how avocados farms in Chile (avocados being a fruit that is only around because we humans keep it around there's no native animal in the tropical America that is capable of eating them and spread their seeds) destroy the environment by draining most of the water from the surrounding rivers with illegal pipes. All that said I do agree that its horrible how animals suffer in slaughterhouses but going vegan isn't going to help with climate change or stop us from making animals suffer since plants require lots of water, situations like what's going on in Chile would become more common around the world, and you also have to factor in that not all land can be used to grow consumable plants on contrary to animals that have way less restrictions when it comes to where they can live, and they don't eat the same plants as we do so their food isn't being farm where ours could be, so it's not realistic to have all humans eating plants without making more farms which would mean that deforestation would be needed to open up space for them and that doesn't guarantee that there would be enough food for all of us. For us to live in the masses that we do, we have to make animals suffer one way or another.
1 likeWe don’t have the same moral responsibilities as snakes, if there is a more moral solution such as not eating meat when you have the choice to avoid animal suffering, it should be taken
0 likesIf snakes were as intelligent and interpretive they’d be held to the same standard, but we understand they are strictly instinctive creatures
1:37 mans just hugging grannies what a wholesome man
0 likesRip Shaq he would’ve been so happy for u hitting a million
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My videos are similar style to Jidion, I’m a New Youtuber and tryna hit my dream of 5k 🔥🔥🔥
1 likeI miss Shaq.❤️
15 likes@HKROW bro how do u promote urself on me saying rip to someone not cool
38 likeshow did he pass away?
0 likesUmm the basketball player shaq is not dead its was just a hoax
1 like@Rudy Lee bruh he means jidio's friend shaq
3 likes@XxXLil_PenguXxX if i remember correctly he got shot. RIP Shaq
2 likes@HKROW nigga I get you're on your grind but this is not the place to promote yourself please read the room but good luck 🤞🏾
4 likes@Son Gloku thanks bro
0 likes@XxXLil_PenguXxX Shaq was shot 😔. He was a really nice and funny guy. Sucks he had to go out that way. RIP legend.
2 likes@HKROW thid aint the place dude
1 like@HKROW yur playin witchu life bruh
1 like@HKROW stfu dam
1 like@Rudy Lee bro😭😭😭 I don’t know if u joking or not
1 likeWARNING ⚠️ JESUS COMMANDS YOU TO REPENT OR PERISH!!! YOUR SOUL IS ON THE LINE!!!!
0 likesExactly, rest in peace ❤
0 likesThe fact that jidion believes in the Bible gives me so much more respect for him!!
2 likesJusion so inspirational man you had some great points to make
0 likes😂😂😂 the vagan maniacs big forehead almost exploded when you request that bacon.
1 likeThe vegan guy was intelligent and is a nice guy. Well done by him. JiDion got pretty defensive in this one. Actually keep an open mind because the vegan made good points.
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They were both defensive, the vegan is the most defensive cuz he even made a video reaction trying to defend his point of view.
0 likesHe's chill at least 🤗
0 likesmy respect for JiDion went through the roof
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Why?
0 likesHe didn't contract a hunter, it was already on the shelves of Whole Foods.
0 likesI'm a logical thinking atheist. But still love comedy.
0 likesYou're sooo funny 🤣🤣
0 likesThis was an actual good debate
0 likesMe sitting here watching this eating a fried Bologna sandwich 😂
0 likesThis man is finally getting the recognition he deserves
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WARNING ⚠️ JESUS COMMANDS YOU TO REPENT OR PERISH!!! YOUR SOUL IS ON THE LINE!!!!
0 likesWhy was jidion lowkey good at debating tho
0 likesI luv the random hug he gave a lady in the store lmao
0 likesI like how his beef never goes on and on
0 likesI saw the haircut video and now i can't stop watching his vids 🤣
0 likesWhat you should’ve asked him was what he thinks about other animals killing other animals?How he feels about that.
0 likesI've been watching you for some time, you've just become one of my favorite influencers! God bless you bro, this is amazing! Give these people an inch they take a mile and you ain't give em a single inch.
5 likesJiDion is actually smart.
0 likesJidion is a legend
0 likes"You went from lil nas x to Dababy instantly" I don't know about anyone else, But i would take that as a compliment, That's an upgrade right? 😆
2 likesI fucking love this guy😂
0 likesMe: eating spicy chicken wing thinking he's talking to me 😂😂😂
0 likesJiDion legend!! What a great conversation with David and what a great video this one 💥💥 Thanks for admitting the mistake of bringing actual body parts to the restaurants. And thanks guys for including my comment on the phone hahaha 😂❤️
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Not sure I heard you call him daddy but I'll let it slide
5 likesWARNING ⚠️ JESUS COMMANDS YOU TO REPENT OR PERISH!!!! YOUR SOUL IS ON THE LINE!!!!!
0 likes@David Ramms you've done something amazing! Making this debate and reaching to do many people through his channel!!
1 likeJiDion s only opitnion was to be against the vegan guy lmao
0 likesjidion actually low-key smart
0 likesjidion: the bible says you can eat meat extremist: but no
0 likesNeither of them really know the Bible but I do have more respect for jidion for bringing up the Bible.
0 likesI just started this video and I can smell a “smash the beef” joke😩
0 likesI love how JD just bought a whole different grill.
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Man definitely threw out the old one
15 likes@J M Guess that shows that he wasn’t expecting to make this video 😂
12 likesjidion speaking facts
0 likesHahah him huggin this old lady killed me🤣
0 likesI remember when I was five I went to A vegan restaurant and I ask for nuggets 😏
1 likeMy man Jidion the next thing
0 likesWe see the grind
Don’t stop 💯
That “Dababy” at the end always cracks me up😂
0 likesLove this video. They disagreed with each other respectively and turned the convo into a banger video 😎
7 likesI feel bad for that vegan dude when Jidion interupted him while he's talking, but damn it's hillarious af
0 likesThat prank was godly
0 likesWhat about the plants? Vegetables have feelings too. When you cut a tomato you can hear it scream ... if you listen closely.
0 likesStop interrupting JiDion, hear..listen..speak lol I feel you tho I get hyped and get to cuttings humans off as well lmao
0 likesnah bro I feel like this man just saying anything to be right, jidion is bringing up valid rebuttals and his only reply 8 minutes in is "but what im saying is the truth"
0 likesRespect for the Vegan man for even doing this interview! Most of them would of just left after seeing him cooking the patty 🤣
18 likesThis discussion was actually really good
0 likes1:55 Dion got that goku wallpaper respect levels zooming through roof
2 likesThat vegan dude kinda annoyed me to be honest some of the things he said where just wrong but I do still respect him he took a prank well and he seems like a good person who wants to help.
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Just cause he’s not eating meat, that’s not stopping the slaughterhouses . If he actually wants to save animals that’s not the way to do it, he makes himself sound self righteous just cause he doesn’t eat meat.
1 like@Heavens Pace oh yeah for sure If I’m speaking in my opinion most vegans really only do it to feel better about themselves or make them think they morally better, but in the end it’s there life idc enough
0 likesJiDion: “what’s your religion?”
4 likesVegan: “I’m autistic”
Viewers: “Makes Sense”
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He said Agnostic
1 likeI know many butchers who don’t show any signs of PTSD
1 likeLove when someone responds in good spirits. I completely agree. I could never give up meat cause I feel it is a crucial part of my survival but more power to all the vegans who can function on plant based material
7 likesjidion is so intelligent
0 likesJidion: At the end of it all tho, I love you
3 likesVegan: uhm yeah
This guy really said people who hunt and process have ptsd and anxiety🤣
0 likesI like how I’m watching this while eating steak and chicken lmfao
0 likesdidn’t realize it was a prank till u showed the patty package
0 likesyou know deep down inside he wanted to try that burger when he started showing it at the camera
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My videos are similar style to Jidion, I’m a New Youtuber and tryna hit my dream of 5k 🔥🔥
1 like@microwaved fridge thanks bro, appreciate it bro 💪🏻
1 like@HKROW we all know damn well that ur other acc/friends acc😐😐
1 likeLove this convo
1 likeThis was a great debate really was both was getting valid points across solid video
1 likeGordon Ramsey would be impressed if he saw this
0 likesAnother (impossible) Beef squashed by JiDion!
0 likesBro, the prank wasn't even that funny, but JiDion makes it 1000x times better
0 likesThis guy is in a different level of content and entertainment
10 likesMashallah habibi presented a very good point about objectivity, and the truth is that it can only come from God, otherwise it's all subjective.
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Man I'm muslim and this guy is so funny
0 likesthat was intense as hell
0 likesJidion makes a great point and he says I do think it’s fucked up to kill animals but you also have to think about if they were us they would do the same thing because eating is an instinct of survival and you need some things that meat provides also to the fact that if we didn’t animals are more than likely to overpopulate
0 likesYo why Jidion low key big brain and good at debating and stuff like that lol
0 likesi love how he mentioned different religions not just cristanity
0 likesI thought this guy was gonna be crazy asf but he's actually kinda chill, props for him
20 likeshe complimented you "you went from lil nas x to dababy immediately" bro that's so sweet :)
0 likesBro get Demarcus on the DEBATE TEAM! My guy speakin cold Facts.
1 likeCasually hugs grandma
0 likesI went into a discord server with open speaking to ask questions about vegans and I asked if cow sweat is vegan and if sucking toes was vegan since toes are meat
0 likesLiterally went and made a ham sandwich after watching this
0 likesyou can tell he's a herbivore because of his weak insults
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2 likesMy videos are similar style to Jidion, I’m a New Youtuber and tryna hit my dream of 5k 🔥
0 likes@HKROW No one care
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0 likesJiDion has a point
0 likesYou guys have good points
0 likesBro when he’s getting the stuff from the store and it randomly cuts to him hugging a grandma💀💀
1 likeJi dion just became one of my favorite you tubers
0 likeslike bro, this guy turns anyone into a karen
0 likesHoly shit he’s actually a good debater wtf
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Fax bruh, I was just smiling as he brought up some points that he couldn’t argue with 😂 never seen this side of him
5 likes@jo blio Here's the truth about death: https://www.amazingfacts.org/media-library/media/e/17275/t/truth-about-death
0 likesThe Sabbath:
Sabbathtruth.com
Here is the truth about revelation:
https://www.amazingfacts.org/media-library/watch/archives/o/1194/t/prophecy-encounter
@jo blio dude faxxxxx. I was here sitting down thinking “ ahh fuck Jidion don’t know wtf he finna say” but MANS HAD SOME FUCKEN VALID POINTS LIKE 🥲👏👏
2 likesi’m glad he brought the Bible into it because that was a very valid point that it says you can’t eat meat and you should amen 🙏🏻
0 likesPeople aren’t just vegans because of saving animals a lot of people are vegans because they wanna Be healthy😭
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Gl with the protein
0 likesGreat job when you brought up the religion ,
0 likesYou’re my spirit animal 😌🤝
0 likesLOL this dude does not want to know how the precious metals in his headphones were mined. lol
0 likesAs a good friend of David Ramms and a fellow “extremist insane” vegan activist, I will say that was good ass prank lmao. But JiDion, referring to the mini debate you had with David, I have to say that the problem with appealing to religion to justify the mistreatment of others is that your religion could theoretically say anything. If “God says it’s fine” is the justification being used to mistreat animals, what logically follows from that is you accepting anything God says as moral, as moral. So if god came out tomorrow and was like “kicking dogs is all good”, you’d have to accept that. This kind of position also puts you in no position to argue against other people from other religions justifying violence with their religion, because that’s exactly what you’re doing. Unsure if this is a position you want to hold bro lol. Aside from this, you’re funny asf.
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Yo question...do you know how many other things you kill by being vegan? Do you know that you kill more than you save statistically? Did you know that if we didnt hunt deer populations the ecosystem would suffer killing magnitudes more? Also this one is a bit of a stretch, but who are you to say that plants dont have feelings? What if they do and we just dont have the means to observe the expression of it? Would you stop eating plants then? Would you become a breathitarian?
37 likes@Zen Rhys can you please share links to the studies that show that eating only plants kills more animals than eating plants and animals?
20 likes@Zen Rhys are you implying that it should be illegal to stomp on a lettuce, or that it should be legal to stomp on a puppy?
13 likes@anthonydude idk man that's your dilemma not mine.
8 likes@anthonydude they arent direct studies but youll find them in the articles.
4 likes@Zen Rhys if you saw me kicking a puppy to death and told me to stop, and I replied "well it's a bit of a stretch, but how do you know plants don't feel pain?" would you accept that logic or would you tell me to stfu and stop hurting the puppy?
15 likes@anthonydude also it should be noted that i said "veganism kills more than it saves". Not that eating plants kills more animals than eating plants and animals.
3 likes@Zen Rhys oh so there are no studies? That's a post from a 'carnivore' blog with zero references. The logic that eating a cow kills fewer animals than eating plants ignores the fact that cows are fed plants. HUGE quantities of plants, in fact. Curious though - if it turned out that eating only plants killed far fewer animals than eating plants and animals, would you stop eating animals? It doesn't seem like you would... In which case, it would be far more intellectually honest of you if you just said "I don't really care about hurting animals, I just like the taste of meat too much"
21 likes@anthonydude also that scenerio only works if im also kicking a cabbage 😂
3 likes@anthonydude nah heres the honest truth. As a human, i was designed to eat both plants, animals, and most things in between. And i like to run on 100% efficiency, and eating meat allows me to do so.
4 likes@anthonydude Another thing. You shouldnt be protesting me eating meat. You should be going after those damn lions. They eat more meat in a week than I do in a month!! Damn cats should be vegan 😡. Cant believe they could kill a water buffalo with no remorse 😭
6 likes@Zen Rhys so if you found out that you could be fit and healthy without having to eat animals, you'd stop? Perhaps you're not being honest with yourself either, but you're certainly not being honest with me
14 likes@Zen Rhys your definition of 'protesting' is a bit unusual. As I'm sure you know, lions are obligate carnivores so they have to eat animals to survive, whereas humans are omnivores and can thrive without eating animals. Lions also lack the capacity for moral reasoning so are therefore not moral agents. Animals rape each other too - would you use that fact to justify raping someone? Finally, lions don't understand English so there wouldn't be much point 'protesting' their behaviour. But hypothetically, if there was a sub-species of omnivorous lions with the capacity for moral reasoning who understood English, I would definitely encourage them not to kill antelopes.
10 likes@Zen Rhys you can reach that 100% efficiency with a plant based or a vegetarian diet. But with all sorts of diets you have to be very aware of what you are eating and be very careful to reach those 100% because it’s almost impossible because we often don’t realise how much sugar for example is in certain products. Just do some research and you will find out that you can easily reach those 100% you were talking about with no meat.
8 likes@anthonydude here’s an article stating the damaging effects of veganism to our environment 🙃 https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20200211-why-the-vegan-diet-is-not-always-green
0 likes@Jennifer “Nothing really compares to beef, lamb, pork, and dairy – these products are in a league of their own in the level of damage they typically do to the environment, on almost every environmental issue we track,” says Joseph Poore, a researcher at the University of Oxford who studies the environmental impacts of food. “But it’s essential to be mindful about everything we consume: air-transported fruit and veg can create more greenhouse gas emissions per kilogram than poultry meat, for example."
10 likesDid you even read the article?
Repeatedly it says animals product's cause massive environmental impact.
It also says IMPORTED fruit and veg CAN cause more greenhouse emissions. Wanna know how to fix that? Don't buy imported fruit and veg. Eat fruit and veg that is in season.
@Jennifer are you purposely being ironic or did you completely misunderstand that article? It's saying not ALL plant-based products are environmentally friendly. Well yeah, no shit Sherlock. It also states that "Even the “greenest” sources of meat still produce more greenhouse gases than plant-based proteins."
7 likesI presume you're familiar with the Oxford University study of almost 40,000 farms in 119 countries, published in the journal Science, which found that "without meat and dairy consumption, global farmland use could be reduced by more than 75% – an area equivalent to the US, China, European Union and Australia combined – and still feed the world." The author of the study concluded that “A vegan diet is probably the single biggest way to reduce your impact on planet Earth, not just greenhouse gases, but global acidification, eutrophication, land use and water use.”
In any case, veganism isn't about the environment or health, it's about the rights of sentient animals not to be tortured and killed for an unnecessary reason. The fact that you can be healthy and reduce your environmental impact on a vegan diet are just more reasons why eating animals can't be justified.
@Zen Rhys
9 likesLions don't have moral agency. It's a wild animal, it kills when it needs to. Lions also rape and cannibalise each other. Wanna use lions as exemplars for morals and ethics? I hope not.
Google vegan athletes/body builders. You'll be surprised how many there are. Venus Williams, Lewis Hamilton, Nate Diaz and Kyrie Irving are just a few. These people are right up there in their chosen profession and they are vegan. So your logic of "need meat for performance" is a fallacy.
We feed animals plants, two thirds of crops grown are given to animals. If you care about plants, eat them yourself.
Or are you just using "plants are alive tho" as a cop out?
Check out Earthling Ed on here, he has great informative videos on all the topics you're bringing up.
I care about hurting animals but still like meat don't play that guilt card on people. Me changing my diet wouldn't all of a sudden stop animals dying either.
0 likes@Anto Free I care about not hurting women, but still like having sex with them, even if they don't want to. Me not raping women wouldn't all of a sudden stop all women from being raped either. See how your logic doesn't stack up?
8 likes@Anto Free you eating meat hurts animals. The two aren't separate. If you eat meat animals are hurt/killed.
6 likesHe isn't MAKING you feel guilty, you're doing that all on your own. Guilt is a subjective feeling. He's posing fact and you're reacting to it.
3 trillion animals are killed for human consumption per year. Being vegan doesn't mean animals stop dying. It means you stop contributing to the intentional slaughter of animals and those killed indirectly by animal agriculture.
What your saying is like a serial killer not stopping, because people are going to die anyway.
@Anto Free don't play the guilt card? Oh poor you, did you feel bad when you thought about the animals who are having their throats slit for your pleasure? Those mean horrible vegans! Why can't they just let people torture and kill animals in peace?
5 likes@N.I Chandler I do feel for the animals in all fairness so the guilt thing is fare
0 likes@Anto Free Guilt is what made me switch to vegan. I thought about it for a long time. Initially I went vegetarian, lasted about 6 months. Then went back to eating meat, but the guilt came back.
8 likesSo about a year later I went vegetarian again. I surrounded myself with people of the same mind and after watching "Dairy is Scary" and reading up about the egg industry I went vegan. Earthling Ed, Joey Carbstrong, David Ramms, Hench Herbivore and Lifting Vegan Logic were all youtubers I watched to help with building up my stance/knowledge.
@Anto Free if you feel guilty thinking about what happens to animals in your name, that's a good thing - it means you're not a psychopath... Now what are you going to do about it? 🤷♂️
5 likes@Zen Rhys - So many fallacies in your paragraph. Meat production is exponentially more destructive on every level considering meat animals are fed harvested plants like soy and corn for their feed. Plants don’t have central nervous systems or brains. But you may have slept through 7th grade biology I guess.
4 likesBro u guys are so stupid I can type a whole essay why killing animals and eating meat is ok it’s just your moral beliefs why you think it’s wrong nothing more , killing farm raised animals will change nothing about the ecosystem, economy, or anything else the only reason why you think it’s wrong is because it’s morally wrong to kill something but that’s just your belief......
0 likes@The Legend Of Mist if you walked by my house and saw me shooting golden retriever puppies on my front lawn, would you tell me to stop? What if I said "but bro, it's just your belief that killing animals is wrong, and anyway it won't make any difference to the ecosystem or economy"? 🤔
4 likes@The Legend Of Mist write short dot points, don't need a full essay.
4 likesPlease justify physically/emotionally/sexually abusing, forcefully impregnating, enslaving, confining, mutilating, profiteering, separating and killing farmed animals.
And don't just say, it's a choice. That's not moral/ethical reasoning, it's your stance on the issue.
Also killing farmed animals doesn't change the ecosystem? Google the leading cause of deforestation, habitat destruction and species extinction.
You also mentioned the economy. Don't get why you mentioned that, can you clarify?
Mr. Zoomer just because they dont feel pain the same way animals do doesnt mean they cant feel or dont feel pain.
1 like@N.I Chandler i already sent some articles stating why you cannot operate at 100% effieciency solely on a plant based diet.
0 likes@D. LEE just because plants dont use the same processes we do doesnt mean they cannot have a similar experience lmao.
0 likes@N.I Chandler alright so whats your solution. We mass produce meat, so do we all of a sudden just stop? What happens to the animals after it stops? Just release them into the ecosystem? That would be devastating.
0 likes@anthonydude if you said "bro, its just your belief" then i have to respect that. Not like i can stop you from killing the puppies.
0 likes@Zen Rhys I see zero articles. I also gave you a list of athletes operating at a high level. How are they at the top of their respective professions and plant based?
0 likesGoogle, is a plant based diet healthy. Answer is very clear
You also aren't a high performance athlete though? The hell do you need to operate at 100% efficiency?
Earthling Ed did a video "If the world went vegan, what would happen to all the animals?" Go watch it, answers your question
@Zen Rhys 🤔🤥😂
0 likes@N.I Chandler 😂 bruh im a D1 track and field athlete. Im about as high of a high performance athlete as you can get.
1 like@N.I Chandler also i never said it wasnt healthy. I said it wasnt optimal.
0 likes@anthonydude I'm. Horribly picky eater as it is would be a nightmare stopping for me but I respect what you guys stand for
0 likes@Anto Free I understand that's an extra complication. Many people also suffer from eating disorders which can make it challenging too. However, there are over 40,000 edible plants and almost infinite plant-based meal recipes, so don't let that stop you from trying your best and taking steps in the right direction, if you agree that animals lives are worth more than your taste pleasure. You don't have to commit to being a perfect vegan in one day - if you gradually make changes you might find it's not nearly has hard as you thought it would be. Personally, I went from pescetarian to vegetarian before finally becoming vegan. In hindsight, I wish I'd just gone vegan straight away, but better late than never. Anyway, I appreciate your honesty - at least you're not making some ridiculous arguments that you don't even believe like many people commenting
2 likes@Zen Rhys Scott Jurek is arguably one of the best ultra marathon runners ever, Morgan Mitchell is an amazing Australian Olympic star and David Verburg is an amazing American Olympic runner as well.
1 likeShouldn't have to tell you about these people though.
All of them are plant based. Your claim is ridiculous. I'm not discussing this further, as it seems you won't listen. I suggest you read up about plant based/vegan athletes.
Have a good one!
@N.I Chandler Can you show me how many vegan to non vegan olympic athletes there are? Youll find that they are predominantly non vegan, and youll also find that the non vegans are the BEST OF ALL TIME. Coincidence? I dont think so. Examples: eddie hall, usain bolt, halfthor, ben johnson, michael jordan, etc. I could go on. I guarantee if those vegan atheletes incorporated meat into their diet they would perform even better. Meat contains creatine, vitamin b12, carnosine, and Docosahexaenoic acid. All of which are not found in plants and are vital to optimizing performance and maximizing muscle efficency. This is why the massive majority of top performing athletes eat meat as well as plants in an equitable fashion tailored to their body mechanics. This is fact, not opinion. Have a good day.
0 likes@Zen Rhys so now you're an elite athlete? 😂
1 like@Zen Rhys Firstly, plants don't have a brain or central nervous system. So they don't feel pain. That's not an opinion, that's scientific fact.
0 likesSecondly, cows eat 25lbs of grain for every 1lb of body weight. So if you think harvesting crops kills a ton of animals, you're killing 25 more by eating beef, plus the cow. There's also the millions of fish that die because of waste and sewage runoff from feedlots. None of your arguments hold any weight. You're clearly confusing you opinion with facts.
@Zen Rhys The information you think says you need meat are funded by the meat industry. Not a single unbiased, non Industry funded, peer reviewed study says you need meat to operate at peak efficiency. The best athletes in the world are vegan, Serena and Venus Williams, Novak Jokovic , Lewis Hamilton, Nate Diaz, Tom Brady and many more. The longest living populations on earth are vegan.
0 likes@Cameron MacDonald all of those athletes were non vegan and ate meat during their prime. If you thought a bit more deeply, then you would even find that some athletes like lewis hamilton performed worse during their plant based years and in fact fell of their prime. Lewis hamilton peaked in 2016, however, after switching to a vegan diet in 2017 he didnt perform as well as 2016 and has never reached that level of performance since. All the athelets you mentioned got to where they are by eating a balanced diet including meat and other animal products. Not by being vegan. Its just convenient that they switched to a plant based diet after they were already known as the best so the vegan community could take credit for their performance, even though in most cases they performed WORSE during their plant based years lmao.
1 like@Zen Rhys the majority of the population is non-vegan, so of course the majority of high performance athletes are also non-vegan. The fact is though, there are plenty of examples of long time vegan athletes who have broken records and out-performed their non-vegan counterparts. As more people realise they don't want to hurt animals anymore, there will be an increase in vegan athletes that will also break records
0 likesWell do you know that the vegetable industry kills 55 animals per 100 KGs of food. Way more than the meat industry ? Why don't you stop eating vegetables and fruits ?
0 likes@Othmane hari theres a big difference between accidental death and murder. Also, 2 thirds of plants grown are fed to animals that we then kill. Plus veganism isn't claiming perfection, it sucks that we have to cause harm just to exist on this planet, that doesn't mean we should intentionally cause it when it's avoidable and unnecessary
0 likes@Hugh Jaynus it's not accidental in the vegetable industry. Crows, hedgehogs, coons, foxes, rats, hummingbirds and other animals are intentionally killed and poisoned by the farmers because they would consume the entire field if left alive.
0 likes"It sucks that we have to cause harm to exist" that is the compromise of living, whether you're eating meat or vegan your diet is the result of many animals being killed and displaced. Either accept that compromise or be detroyed by it
@Othmane hari unfortunately, yes, our current method of dealing with protecting harvest is a ruthless one, hopefully we can adjust to a better method in the future. But at the moment it IS necessary since we need crops for survival, vegan or not. Eating animals is not for survival in modern society, its for taste, unnecessarily harming them for pleasure is cruel and unjustified. As you said, we must accept that we cause harm by existing, but that doesn't justify deliberately causing harm. Anyway, if you don't like that we shoot these animals to protect crops, and the vast majority of these crops are then fed to animals for non-vegans to kill and eat... We need far less farmland for a vegan food system, meaning less crop deaths
0 likes@Zen Rhys THE IGNORANCE😂🤦♀️
0 likesNigga Grapes 8K UHD I'm applying the ridiculous logic that others have used to another context to show how stupid it is
0 likes@Zen Rhys you feel fucking guilty for meat eating and project your guilt and try to guilt trip vegan for being voilent with plants. Okay let me come this way you can't avoid killing plants at least you can reduce animal suffering then see what we do with plant suffering. If you can't stop unnecessary suffering that you cause by killing animals you don't have a say in vegan's abusing plants.
0 likes@Othmane hari Yes and that's even more reason to go vegan. 80% of the world's crops go to feed animals. So by eating meat you're not only killing 5x more animals accidentally during harvest and from farmers not wanting animals around, but you're also killing the animal you eat on top of that. So by your logic you're actually killing significantly more animals than you originally though.
0 likes@Cameron MacDonald Im taking about vegetables and fruits. Those are the ones killing msot animals. Not barley and grain, those barely kill, when wqs the last time you saw a humminbird or a fox eating grains ?
0 likes@Niklas.Bruggeman you don’t know shit… protein comes from plants, not animals
0 likes@Sabari hariharan i have no guilt for eating meat 😭💀
0 likes@CAP’N CRUNCH that’s literally just incorrect. A simple google will tell you animals are by far the highest quality protein source. Plants lack certain amino acids and thing like that. Broccoli does have a higher protein count per calorie then steak but in order to get the same amount of protein from broccoli as you would a steak you’d have to eat over 6 full cups of chopped broccoli. So 1 steak equates to about 6 full cups of broccoli. And that’s disregarding the fact broccoli lacks 3 major amino acids steak has.
0 likesThe problem with your argument is that you are also assuming transcendental you cant deny a man because he believes in god your evidence is logic is real and denys god but logic is also invisible as god but you assume it pretty easily? Morality also holds the same value as logic both very important but why do you assume them if they are invisible as god?
0 likes@anthonydude except you can't. and I don't have to provide proof for that as there are studies everywhere about it. Veganism is not as healthy as a balanced omnivore diet.
0 likes@JR Fresh I can't what? This is a position statement from the world's largest body of nutrition scientists, the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics, based on a review of hundreds of peer-reviewed studies: "appropriately planned vegetarian, including vegan, diets are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and may provide health benefits for the prevention and treatment of certain diseases. These diets are appropriate for all stages of the life cycle, including pregnancy, lactation, infancy, childhood, adolescence, older adulthood, and for athletes."
0 likes@Zen Rhys Not vegan but what you said doesn't make any sense lol. No, being vegan does not and would not kill more lives. The ecosystem doesn't depend exclusively on humans, in fact we make up 2% of bio mass in the world. That means if you rule out humans eating meat completely, the food chain wouldn't just collapse. And science is certain that plants cannot form conscious thoughts
0 likesBut the thing is,God wouldn't say kicking puppies is okay,animals were intended for food anyway,the guy that would be kicking the puppy is just doing it out of straight cruelty but we have to kill the animals for meat,how else can we get it
0 likes@sayajin you can eat something else. You only eat meat because you like the taste, it's not out of necessity. The guy kicking the dog just likes the sound it makes. What's the difference?
0 likes@anthonydude but the thing is,kicking cute little puppies is not normal,eating meat is,this one time is hostel I didn't eat meat for about 4-5 days and my body starter to feel weak,but after I filled my tummy with juicy tasty protein,I could feel my body coming back to life,my muscles felt it was back to normal,and I was happy.end of story.
0 likesMoral of the story:I love meat
@sayajin what's 'normal' is also irrelevant. In some cultures boiling dogs alive is 'normal'
0 likes@anthonydude man don't change the focus to something else,I'm talking about eating meat here,it'd been like that since the old ages.
0 likesWhy don't you vegans start a movement to stop animal on animal violence then,go talk to the lions and tigers to stop preying on herbivores,because it's 'wrong'.IK you'll bring up the argument of 'they have no choice they have to eat,they are biologically wired to prey on them herbivores'. Then well the herbivores are just lower than the lions in the food chain it's normal right,and we humans are on the top,we can eat both meat and grass,it's normal.
@sayajin it's hard to have a conversation about a serious topic with someone with an IQ below 50
0 likes@anthonydude I'm afraid that if my iq is below 50 then yours would be in the negative range.You couldn't put up a proper argument to my points earlier so you resorted to totally go off course and commenting on my iq in an attempt to insult me,tsk tsk poor guy.
0 likes@sayajin I've made plenty of comments on this thread, so feel free to peruse them. They say arguing with an idiot is like playing chess with a pigeon - and I don't have time for either.
0 likes@anthonydude again, a balanced diet is much healthier than a vegan diet
0 likes@JR Fresh a balanced vegan diet is extremely healthy. A standard western non-vegan diet is extremely unhealthy
0 likesWatchu mean if god comes out tomorrow and says that. God ain’t dropped any new updates recently...
0 likesIf everyone went vegan wtf are the animals gonna eat 😟
0 likes@julie williams huh? what are which animals going to eat?
0 likesBeing a vegan does more damage to our environment then eating animals 🤨 we need plants to get oxygen, killing plants takes so much breathable air out per plant killed.. Animals use oxygen to breathe as well. You're telling me that if vegans killed all the plants and we didn't have oxygen is better than some animals being eaten for food? Don't get me wrong i don't like animals being killed, but using the eating a plant based diet is better for the environment logic makes no sense.
0 likes@Zen Rhys nah you don't really NEED to eat meat as a human but you gotta eat your veggies tho
0 likes@Zen Rhys dude really asked who are you to say that plants don't have feelings. I have 0 respect for humans as a whole now. Thanks l.
0 likesMy thing is, animals are being killed anyway, if a million people are vegan, they’re still going to kill and market the animals to eat. I might as well just eat them, i’m not doing more harm than good i’m the situation, no matter what we do they’ll be killed. So i might as well eat them.
0 likesI'm going to eat more animals, respectfully. After that, I will only eat more. I want you to know that those animals will then turn into my shit down the toilet. There is NOTHING you can do to stop me, respectfully. Your comments and replies will only make me eat MORE animals. There is NOTHING you can do about it but cry at the sight of my OWN shit.
3 likes@anthonydude So you are telling me you just went vegan to make yourself feel better? You won’t convince anyone like that, in fact you going vegan isn’t even helping the animals that you want to protect. Maybe we should just devolve back into wild animals... oh wait we would still be eating meat lol
0 likes@Saffy I have no idea what point you're even trying to make. Just stop paying for animals to be abused for an unnecessary reason, it's quite simple really 👍
0 likes@anthonydude Animals and plants both taste good. Unfortunate that they die, but it is what it is.
0 likesIn the end it’s an opinion that you would never be able to change.
@FaKe Big Maq congratulations, you've noticed a similarity between plants and animals! Now see if you can spot a difference...
0 likes@anthonydude No I’d rather not. I don’t care about what you think. I won’t ever change because there is no need.
0 likes@FaKe Big Maq it's got nothing to do with what I think, it's just reality that your unnecessary lifestyle choices inflict abuse and suffering on innocent animals. Of course I can't stop you, just like I can't stop rapists from raping or child abusers from hurting children. If you choose to be an animal abuser, that's on you
0 likesGod wouldn’t just “come out tomorrow” and change things up my friend lol that is a poor example of what you were trying to explain.
0 likes@anthonydude The most I’ve done is fish, but sure I’m an animal abuser I guess. My family has killed animals, so we can eat. Because that’s apart of our culture. We do it every year, and my ancestors had also done it every year when they lived. Though it wasn’t a slaughter house, it was one lamb once a year.
0 likesSome people can stop If they feel compelled to do so, but I feel that I wouldn’t be able to do it. A lot of my diet comes from various animals, alongside my livelihood.
@anthonydude animals breed to coexist with people like dogs have more value then animal breed to feed us like cows
0 likes@King of Catfish so what? A strong slave might have more value to their captor than a weak slave, but they both have the same moral worth because they have the same capacity to experience suffering and well-being.
0 likesThank you man. Someone that actually makes sense lol. Jidions argument was complete trash from the beginning.
0 likesJidion is a walking W
0 likesI would’ve said yes to the slightly different DNA one. It’s nature you’re trying to preserve then you should know about natural order and food chains. Not to mention farms and producing of beans nuts and other things that make reliable alternatives for protein take up more space than an animal farm with multiple uses.
0 likesmy man goes to the ppl who hate on him- and COLLABS with them
0 likesBruh, never knew jidion was so good at debating. He got his point out so well and rebuttled every excuse that man made
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no he did not lol
2 likesMe watching this eating my cheeseburger 🤣
0 likesThis guy risks everything to put out the best content 💪🏾
3 likesJidion is amazing!!!!
0 likesAyy jidion got faith 🙌
0 likesThe reality with Veganism today with people is that a lot of people don't want to be associated with the extreme side of it. Vegans who make a fool of themselves in public and harrases others, even going far as to get violent. Not to say all Vegans are like this, this sort of shit is actually common in a lot of communities. But at the end of the day, the negative side is going to be focused on more than the positive, if u wanna go Vegan go Vegan bro, just don't force your opinions or ideology down people's throats or harass them, stay safe yall ❤
2 likesYou can’t have a debate with jidion bro contradicts himself every minute
0 likesman was wearing an anti meatflake social club shirt 💀💀💀
0 likesVegan Guy: “It’s because we care for animals and don’t think they should be slaughtered.” Animal Kingdom: Nature’s Slaughterhouse
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Slaughtering plants
17 likesEXACTLY!!! Animals kill each other every single day!!!!!!
40 likesTrue, but I don’t think that was his point lol
8 likesAs a meat eater myself, I disagree with the idea of mass produced meat with current meat farms. Animals are kept in extremely claustrophobic and unsanitary/disgusting environments and they contribute to a lot of air pollution, energy waste, etc. Hunting an animal is very different than mass producing because hunting is closer to your idea of "natures slaughterhouse." Some would argue that at the top of the food chain, we've earned the right to mass produce and treat animals like shit, but as intelligent creatures we also possess the ability to empathize. The mammals being slaughtered for our enjoyment experience horrible lives from birth till death (industrial meat farms), and that bothers me.
60 likes@Akhtar10x someone actually smart here lmao
6 likes@Akhtar10x not to mention that animals need to kill other animals to survive, humans at this point have several other options
28 likesIt’s not like we’re just killing animals for fun to be disrespectful, we are actually getting an intended use, for food!
9 likes@pwnbck humans won’t have the proper options to survive. Meat is a huge source of our protein. And if we eating all the things that the non meat eating animals eat, it’ll be no different than us killing them
7 likes@Richforever Leaks 3 There is a surplus of non-meat products. Animals who do not eat meat aren’t going to die because we eat all of their food. And as someone who needs a large amount of protein daily, there are tons of other options for protein than just meat. Think about all the vegan bodybuilders who need tons of protein to gain muscle and are still huge. Humans can easily survive without meat. No hate tho, eating meat is what people were raised on so it’s hard to change peoples perception, but maybe we can all understand eachothers sides a bit more
15 likesI’m not vegan (as a cook I actually love meat) but there is definitely a difference between nature and us factory farming animals, that’s why I personally don’t buy factory farmed meats, shits fucked up fr.
3 likes@Jeremiah Boomin They also rape each other. But I thought we live in a civilized society where we do not base our morality on what animals do.
17 likesLuca Berti It's also wrong to take the life of an innocent animal that didn't need to die.
11 likes@Sarbjot Singh I mean what am I supposed to do, it isn’t gonna stop....
0 likes@Akhtar10x how about we stop killing other humans then worry about animals and I hunt and in no way is it like the old days you just sit and wait in a blind then shoot it honestly sometimes kills them slower than the factorys do
0 likes@pwnbck if only half the worlds population turned to being plant based only at the same time there wouldn’t be enough plant based proteins and foods for everyone to eat
0 likes@pwnbck plus not to account for all the water and land you would require to farm such enough produce that you can feed everyone. That would take away from the whole nature idea of animals and their land to live on. It would not be good. I think a lot of people forget about these issues.
0 likes@pwnbck and when the soil is all sucked up of its nutrients and grant grow anything what are you going to do then? Mass produce the plants in some other larger place and take that environment from more animals
0 likes@pwnbck like what? Eating fruits?? Guess what they are alive too
0 likes@Sarbjot Singh and whose to say animals are innocent like they don’t kill other animals or do shitty things such as killing their Children
0 likes@Jeremiah Boomin I was going to comment this too!!!, like tf is this guy gonna tell the lions to become vegans 💀
0 likes@SaySikeDJ Do you actually base your morality on what animals do? If animals rape other animals then you think you can do that too?
7 likesThink for yourself. Most animals we kill are innocent. We have been given intellegence and sense of morality and the choice to be vegan unlike animals.
Make the right choice and stop killing animals for no good reason at all.
@Jeremiah Boomin So you are telling me that lets say you go to an dog fighting ring. You wouldn't mind buying a ticket to watch the fight because it wouldn't stop anyways.
4 likesMaybeee, a few less dollars going to the bottom line of these industries will make them stop at least the expansion of these factories.
I hope that when slavery existed there wasnt people with the same mindset. That if I don't own a slave, it's not like slavery is going to go away. Don't own a slave because it wrong to do so, not because it won't solve slavery, but because it's just simply wrong.
@Sarbjot Singh What’s your point. Dog fights isn’t even close to what I’m talking about. That’s setup by humans to make money. I’m talking about lions, tigers, and bears, etc. who hunt and kill to get meat for their families. I want you to go in the wild and tell a LION TO STOP EATING MEAT. You may be on the plate next. DOG FIGHTS WAS A PRETTY BAD EXAMPLE LOL. respectfully tho
0 likes@Sarbjot Singh and it’s beyond me that you would even bring up that topic when we’re talking about wild animals here, who go out and hunt everyday for theirs
0 likes@Sarbjot Singh then you touch on a sensitive topic such as slavery (which is what my ancestors went through) I know how slavery went down. Ofc it’s all wrong, but that had nothing to do with what I commented above man
0 likes@Jeremiah Boomin A lion doesnt have a choice to eat a vegan burger, you do.
3 likesYet you still choose to support an industry that cause enourmous ammounts of suffering and unccessay deaths to innocent animals.
respectfully though
@Jeremiah Boomin So you base you morality on what a animal does? Animals rape too, so you think that's okay.
5 likesI hope that your morality is based on what you believe is right and wrong. I would assume you are against animal cruelty. I would assume that you would that killing an animal for no good reason at all is wrong
But not a lion. U have no necessity to eat animals. Killing animals unnecessarily is immoral. It’s animal abuse
7 likes@Sarbjot Singh I have a choice to not eat a vegan burger also... respectfully!
1 like@Sarbjot Singh I understand where you’re coming from but it’ll never end. Let’s just be honest
0 likes@Sarbjot Singh with the government supporting unhealthy lifestyles, it’ll never end man
0 likes@Jeremiah Boomin I'm just using examples to prove logic. Not equate the entire scenario you know? I respect what your ancestors had to go through man. It's so horrible.
4 likesInjustice somewhere is injustice everwhere. If I lived in that time I hope that I would have the courage to stand up to those profiting off of those that are innocent and deserve a free life.
Kinda like animals today. I'm not saying it's the same things. I'm saying if you are against the reasons why slavery was justified, some of those reasons are being used to today for meat industry.
Injustice happens usuually with a profit motive and because people are willing to overlook injustice becuase of other selfish resasons.
@Veganix yeaaassss
0 likesAppeal to nature fallacy
3 likes@Sarbjot Singh 1. I’m against rape. My now girlfriend was raped by her ex... again another topic that’s going away from the point which is eating meat
0 likes2. I’m against killing of any of any animals. I’m an animal lover. True nature boy. But I have no power in stopping them from slaughtering. Let’s be realistic. Me holding a sign and protesting isn’t gonna work. Let’s be 100% honest.
@Rahul Raj this
0 likes@Sarbjot Singh no hate to you all love, but we’ll never see eye to eye on this topic, because like Jidion said, you believe in what you believe and I have my beliefs. Hopefully one day it’ll get to level of understanding.🙏🏽
0 likes@Sarbjot Singh It’s late here in Florida, I’m gonna gts, goodnight man and God bless you🙌🏽🙌🏽
0 likes@Jeremiah Boomin animals rape each other every single day, does that mean it's morally justifiable for humans to rape as well?
1 likeSo you would be okay with people killing dogs because “nature”?
1 likeYou're not appealing to nature, are you?
1 like@Jeremiah Boomin your beliefs harm others, toxic positivity bullshit. Racists believe it’s okay to oppress people…. That belief doesn’t deserve respect and nor does the belief to needlessly torture and harm non humans deserve respect.
1 like@Jeremiah Boomin animals rape eachother bro, get some consistency in your logic
1 likeAppeal to nature fallacy
1 like@Jeremiah Boomin,
3 likesInfanticide is ok, cause would you tell a lion to stop infanticide of her cubs?
@Jeremiah Boomin - we determine right from wrong by looking at wild animals? Brilliant moral philosophy 😂
1 like@Sarbjot Singh there’s a difference between animals and humans knowing what is just wrong (like rape) and them needing food to survive..
2 likes@Akhtar10x it’s actually better to end its suffering through making it food rather than keeping it in unhealthy and packed environments that are very hard for them.
0 likes@Jackson Shropshire it’s actually better for the animal though. Ask any farmer and they’ll tell you that
0 likes@Veganix there is also no necessity to eat pants either. Either way you are killing a living organism. Humans are natural omnivores if your argument is we should go to a strictly plant diet that is nonsense. There is too high of a population for that. There would not be enough place to grow the requisite plants to sustain all of the population. If you want to talk about the conditions the animals live through being poor I'm sure you will have no disagreements from most people.
0 likes@D. LEE I already had a civilized discussion with someone else and don’t have time to talk to someone like you again. Like I said you have your beliefs in what is right and I have mine. We are all different. I want you to go protest over and over again in front of the slaughterhouses and tell me what result you get. I know it’s not right but I’m not the one doing it
0 likes@Akhtar10x as a meat eater myself I agree with everything you said
0 likes@JustRoberto When did I harm anyone of my “belief “???? Please let me know. What if his beliefs harmed me???? Oh maybe it’s because I’m not agreeing with you, you attack me and think I’m harming you. No, me and the person had a great discussion about it and I got where he was coming from. I’m not harming anyone
0 likes@Krwiomocz.Bogurodzicy Ⓥ let me ask you this.... what would happen if you went to go protest in front of slaughterhouses, would they stop?? It’s not my fault.
0 likes@Veganix listen, I have the right to eat what I wanna eat, just as an animal does. I didn’t abuse any animal fam. I just shop at Walmart
1 like@Jeremiah Boomin you’ve jumped to a lot of conclusions here, I’m talking specifically about the phrase “everyone has the right to believe what they want to believe” sure believe what you want, but your beliefs aren’t a justification to harm others. In this context the belief that it’s okay to harm certain animals for food, clothing and or products etc. Just because someone believes it’s morally okay doesn’t make it so.
0 likes@raz mataz Rape isn’t cool AT ALLLLL. Like I said it’s a sensitive topic for me because my girlfriend was a victim of it. And, we’re talking about slaughterhouses and eating meat, has nothing to do with rape. Stop downing ones logic to bring power to yours. Stop being prideful and if I’m wrong just teach me. I never said your beliefs are wrong now did I? You said one point and just think you won the discussion.😂
0 likes@JustRoberto Okay you said “Just because it’s morally okay, doesn’t make it so” I never said my point was the “way to go” and I never said he needed to follow my points. Like I said we were both giving ideas, to get a understanding of each other. Another thing, you do know plants are living as well right? So since plants are living does that make it wrong for us to consume them. Just asking, not trying to argue
0 likes@Jeremiah Boomin bacteria is living, also, being alive isn’t what I would assign value to. Being sentient and able to feel pain is. Imagine I cut a dogs throat in front of you and said “well don’t you know carrots are alive to” what would you think of me?
0 likes@Jeremiah Boomin,
2 likesNot your fault?
“No snowflake ever feels responsible in an avalanche.” — SJ Lec
Whenever you buy meat, milk eggs, you are perpetuating the demand, which furthers the business of raising animals and then slaughtering them for you to eat. You can turn your head the other way, but the process continues. It continues at the detriment and ill fortune for the animals.
If I protested at a slaughterhouse, I'd be arrested, granted. Abolishionists and civil rights activists were arrested when they broke laws when protesting.
Sexual abuse and animal abuse have the common denominator of abuse. Notably, artificial insemination itself is sexual abuse. See this video:
https://youtu.be/S91iFLVZq0A
and this short film about a parallel universe where rape is legal and common:
https://youtu.be/poxl0K9UrP0
@JustRoberto I’m saying, you’re vegan and I’m not. You’re saying it’s wrong for me to eat an animal. So I’m asking you is it right to eat another living thing such as a plant?
0 likes@Jeremiah Boomin and I’m saying it isn’t comparable for the reasons I mentioned. You don’t need to eat animals to be healthy. Plants aren’t sentient conscious beings who can suffer like we do. So for that reason we should avoid harming them.
0 likes@JustRoberto I understand you, i just don’t think you’ll understand me. Have a great day though man, ❤️🙏🏽🙏🏽
0 likes@pwnbck there are some essential proteins we cannot live without that are found in meat.
0 likes@Sarbjot Singh as all living their life would come to an end at some point, so why not get something out of having them around?
0 likes@ib leminen You would say the same for dogs? Cats? Humans?
0 likesEverything has to die, why not cause it suffering along the way and end it's life extremelty short.
Why do you think you are so powerful and important that you can exploit other living things? Snap out of it. What we do to animals is horrible.
If you had a choice, would you be born as a livestock animal? Like a chicken that could get blended alive in first seconds of life or forced to stay in crowded factory with no sunlight. Or be a cow that is repeated raped to bear children and produce milk. Once the cow can no longer produce babies or milk then gets head chopped off.
@Ethan OpT But when you don't actually need to eat meat because a plant based diet is healthier, cheaper and better for the environment you are literally raping, torturing and slaughtering them just for fun
0 likes@Jackson Shropshire Yes you do. 99.2% of meat is factory farmed. There's no way you don't eat factory farmed meat. All of it is factory farmed these days
0 likes@Cameron MacDonald not true, you can easily get non factory farmed meat when you live in an area like western Canada, also tastes way better which is another reason I prefer getting it. I even have some chickens myself. Obviously I don’t always eat non factory farmed meat, I love Popeyes every once and a while, but it’s definitely not impossible and I could strictly do that if I wanted.
0 likes@Cameron MacDonald also where the fuck did you get that statistic? There’s literally not a single website that says that other than “plantbasednews” which is a clearly biased website 💀
0 likes@Jackson Shropshire I didn't get that from plant based news. But even if I did they would cite their sources unlike most websites. They aren't biased, they are fact based. There's a difference. I also live in Western Canada, central Alberta. All those fields you see growing hay with bales sitting around everywhere are going to feed factory farmed animals. And even the cows that are grazing on the land go to feedlots at the end of their life before slaughter. That statistic is for north America. Likely better in other countries but here in North America it's all factory farmed.
0 likes@Cameron MacDonald I understand that, but i live in a very tight community that is mostly farmers and have a very close friend of mine who gives me my meats. you don’t have to go to big stores for meat, and all my chicken is either from mine or my friends who is not involved in factory farming at all and actually hates it aswell (like most farmers) because of the unemployment rate of many people like him. In no way is it impossible to not eat factory farmed meat, especially when you have connections. Also if you dont think a vegan website is biased for something about farming I don’t know what to tell you
0 likes@Cameron MacDonald I don’t know why you want to believe so bad that all farmers are bad, some people genuinely care about their animals, not everybody is going to be a vegan man.
0 likes@Cameron MacDonald one more thing, which will probably be my last reply to this stupid ass conversation, there are plenty of other people like me, I don’t know how you’re so delusional where you think that it is genuinely impossible to eat and trace meats back to real farms. Even people like maya higa (who is a fairly popular twitch streamer who you may or may not know with an official org and animal sanctuary)has said that she will most likely never go vegan but she buys from a butcher who buys wholesale from completely grass fed operations. There is very easy ways of buying grass fed meats, I just don’t think you want to know that there are people who care about animals and still eat meat.
0 likesLuca Berti but they don't have to. It's not a necessity. It is no longer needed in 99% of 1st world countries. It is not needed because we can be healthy on plants alone. Stop being cruel to animals for no good reasons at all
0 likesLuca Berti You mean like meat eaters pretend to support animal rights, then pay other people to torture them? That opinion?
0 likes@Jeremiah Boomin u r the consumer. Consumer demands dictates that you economically demand animals be enslaved, exploited, raped, tortured and killed for you for an unnecessary reason as u could eat plants instead. Killing animals unnecessarily is abuse
0 likes@JD3TheGreat TM have to eat something to survive. As an ominvore
0 likesU can choose plant or an animal. A plant that has no Brian no family, no emotion and can’t feel pain or choose and animal who can feel all of those things but also responsible for all the plants they eat which is more than u could ever eat.
When the vegan said, him and jidion spoke over the phone and jidion said to him he was thinking of becoming a vegan I was deadddd 💀💀💀 I knew his was fucking him 😂😂😂
0 likesMan i hate when people talk about “objective truth” when it comes to a moral decision. What was moral 200 years ago may be immoral today, what was immoral 500 years ago could be moral today. There’s no objective morality if morality changes not only across time, but across different cultures too.
0 likesAt 6 mins, it gets to the real talk
0 likesThis man needs to understand nature . Why dosnt he go protest to the other carnivores or omnivores to eat veggies
1 likeas a vegan hater, i approve this message.
0 likesI have so much respect for jidion bro man can handle situations like so well with still being funny af
9 likesJidion i found your vids like a month ago and you are top 3 and not 3. Keep doing ya thing man god is good
0 likesMy boy shouting out the Quran. Respect 📈📈📈📈📈
0 likesThinking about becoming a canible after this
1 likeThis is amazing 😂
1 likeI cant be the only one who saw this video while eating a steak right?
0 likesi’m very happy to hear that you are a christian. God bless you bro🙏🙏
5 likesThis guy does realize humans have been eating animals since day 1 right? Like imagine this guy going back in time and loosing his sh** on a group of hunter gathers 😂.
0 likesIf Lizzo just one video then she’ll love this guy lmao
2 likesWhen he say he was agnostic, It's done. it's like talking to a wall when you have religion an the other guy don't have.
1 likeThe thing that annoyed me most with that guy is how he kept bringing up how they got shot in the slaughter houses, no they don’t. It’s not like they are being hunted out in the middle of nowhere
0 likesLove JiDion's videos but this vegan guy's argument made sense and JiDion didnt make very much sense haha
0 likesI saw this on David's channel first, it'll be interesting to see it again from yours🌿 I found the prank really well done and I'm glad that you were able to get some good reactions from it without using real meat.
3 likesJidion destroyed that guy hahahah
1 likethe random grandma hug at the start of the video im cryinggggg
0 likesBro the thumbnail got me dead💀 “Ted bundy” “vegan guy”
0 likesI had an actual debate with a vegan and he said that humans aren’t humans arguement, I said that made no sense
0 likesbro went in trolled him then whooped him in an argument
0 likesthat was the most respectful way ive ever see someone humiliate someone else, props to jidion
3 likesYour videos actually kill me
0 likesWow. Amazing funny Episode as usual but I especially love the debate!
0 likesI personally don’t feel like a human perspective God especially if choosing for himself to be what we humans would much later come to understand as all merciful, would create beings (none of which could ever come close to holding a candle to him in his full size power being knowledge and glory) like satan and any angel or human or whatever that he already foresees according to his own grand design before all existence began, will go to the worse imaginable existence in eternal hell punishment (or total soul annihilation if that’s what one believes), simply due to the failure to meet the very specific terms and conditions he set in place according to his grand plan.
However I do believe lots of the Bible as well as other religions are true and have been heavily manipulated with things that just seem like craziness nonsense to me, and believe that many gods exist like any other group of species but also believe there’s a supreme being unlimited God above and below us all and that is also us all by default, that encompasses all things and placed certain things to be certain ways from an infinite density perspective and probably since it exists in all things, all things have the ability to fully tap into that supreme being and do whatever is the conscience desire or mere action.
However I have nothing against people who think the Bible or any other religion is 100 percent correct (and no other doctrine) from front to back and will remain in that belief as long as they aren’t trying to force it on others or causing harm to others with anything to do with such beliefs. And end of the day, no matter how insane and silly certain things might sound to me, who really knows? Maybe it is true
I’m also vegan and believe it’s the healthiest way for all humans to live healthy lives with the least amount of health issues and promote top physics condition and don’t think animals should have to be tortured and killed but rather live the killing for food up to when mankind is in the wild with no other option to survive as well as animals doing so to each other, however I’m not gunna force that on others either or judge people because they eat me as if they have to be 100 percent conscious of the torture and truly enjoy that being the process to eat their food.
Bro made sum good points
0 likesWhenever I hear a vegan talk, I go out if my way to eat an additional piece of meat. Went in my kitchen and grabbed some beef jerky just for this video. I'm not even hungry
0 likesBro looked liked a lawyer out there
0 likesI think you’re both respectable and well-spoken guys. Quite smart too
16 likesI have sickle trait, only recently have I discovered we carry low oxygen levels in our kidneys, we are even at risk to Kidney cancer (FFS). Always had strange things going on with my body despite never ever drinking, smoking or doing drugs. Anyway, upon eliminating/reducing meat my health shot up. My Kidney's were given a break, and my renal filteration system improved dramatically. No more migranes, no more toothache, no more hormonal issues, no more fatigue, no more pains in my sides and no more smelly pee pee. I would classify that as gentically being predisposed to be a Vegan. Sorry for the long post!
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Good for you man! Best of Health!
0 likes@Damien Mehp Thank you!
0 likesbrother Jidion.
0 likeskeep up with what your doing .
hello from Perth, Australia
i hope your reading this..
you seem very intelligent, may you please one day make a video reading the Bible and Quran 🙏🏽
(contradictions errors)
maybe bring a muslim Sheikh & Christian Priest and debate in your live Stream.
This video making me hungry for some Ribbs and steak not gonna lie.🍖😮💨💪🏼
0 likesI don’t think it should be just “the animals get killed or murdered” but they are abused tortured and mistreated and not able to live as they should be and taken care of and be healthy and happy.
0 likesIt’s funny cause he whipped his meat out😂
0 likesI like how JiDion had so many points but dudes only comebacks were slaughter houses and animals getting shot in the head💀
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JiDion my boy destroyed him lol
1 likeherbivores are some weak ass ppl.
1 likeI could try to respond to a point you believe was not responded by David. Do you have an example?
0 likesThe “Da Baby” bit after every video gets me every time man
0 likesrespects for Jidion
0 likesMade him think you wanted a serious conversation then shit on him
0 likesYou went soft Jidion. You went soft
0 likesJiDion was on his big brain shii
0 likesJiDion can't thank you enough for the laughs
4 likesIt’s the equivalent of meat restaurants offering vegan options actually
0 likeshonestly im eating bacon while watching this and its BUSSIN im still gonna keep eating
0 likesJiDion is the philosopher
0 likesI love this 🤣
0 likeswhy did he buy another set of the grill and apron and utensils when he bought it last time?
0 likesJidion on is the best YouTuber out there so proud of him for finally getting 1 mil
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Not RickRoll 👇 2 stfu
0 likesCappp
0 likesAnd still growing 💗
0 likeshttps://youtu.be/9th0oF3uIxo
0 likesW comment
2 likesHe has 10 mil what is you talking about
0 likes@freemit 1 mill…
0 likesMy videos are similar style to Jidion, I’m a New Youtuber and tryna hit my dream of 5k 🔥🔥🔥
0 likesWait fr? He hit a million? I didn’t even notice since his videos are that good
0 likesWARNING ⚠️ JESUS COMMANDS YOU TO REPENT OR PERISH!!!! YOUR SOUL IS ON THE LINE!!!!
0 likesAnother wholesome video
0 likesYou blew up bro ❤❤❤ 2.2 mil followers now and a year ago u had 97k
0 likesbros actually a master debater
0 likesIt's sad when Jidion is making more sense than this guy. Genesis says that we have dominion over the animals of the earth
0 likesBro is an absolute menace
0 likesWoah man awesome that you gave space for David’s arguments! No need for us to eat animals, plant food is much better with no animal suffering 🔥
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Damn I would I love some bbq ribs rn yknow?
7 likes@Qwadent Wow man. That's the most solid argument I've ever heard. In all my time of being vegan I never thought I could just eat ribs. But your comment was so smart it changed my life man.
2 likes@Cameron MacDonald lmao
0 likes@Cameron MacDonald Y'all stay mad at us for eating animals but what about other predators like lions, cheetahs, alligators, eagles, snakes and the many other apex predators that hunt animals every second? what you finna do, try to talk them into not killing and eating animals?
2 likes@Jay yoo exactly bro,Cameron you should start a movement to stop animal on animal violence,predator and prey equality.
1 likeCan't wait for the next twitch stream
0 likesJidion reads the bible! Another W
0 likesJidion always with thé amazing vids
0 likesAwesome debate bro!!!!
0 likesThe Vegan Extremist who made a Video about is Also a Supporter of that Vegan Teacher
1 likeMy man! Repping the Bible and speaking facts accept all! Keep up the content bro 💯
3 likesThe way he was like “Shot in the head and slit on the throat” just made no sense, like how else do you want them to be killed? A gunshot to the head is literally the quickest and most painless way to go! On top of that, his whole “murdering animals is wrong” sentiment is dumb considering we’re biologically designed to eat both meat and plants. Thousands of wild animals are murdered brutally by other wild animals all around the world every day, it’s just the circle of life!
4 likesI enjoyed the debate at the end
0 likes5:44 that face tho
0 likesHe is an L. Love you bro
0 likes3:40 let’s start with human safty first
0 likesThis channel is underrated it needs more people to see this stuff it’s too funny 😂
65 likesWhat’s the difference between an alligator ripping its prey to shreds and us eating a cow?
0 likesHonestly the vegan made a lot more sense in this (Im a meateater)
1 likei love Jidion but I wish there was a smarter person to argue this dude.
0 likesHe just gots to realize that his morals won't be the same as everyone else's. He acts like he's a better person because he's vegan doesn't really convince anyone to be vegan. Also I'd say plenty of hunters have no PTSD from hunting dears and what not. There is no correlations their. So killing animals doesn't necessarily mean PTSD and depression lol.
0 likesWow so cruel to those animals! Ima go eat a Big Mac.
1 likeJidion cant lose bro.. hes a man that goes by his own rules and that's how life is supposed to be. This is only my 2nd day watching his channel and man I look up to him not only because of his content, but his character is truly unbreakable
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1 likeThat Nelk beat during the zoom! 🙌
0 likesI can do all things through Christ who strengthens me
0 likesVegan guy: butchers get PTSD
0 likesMe: i went to my grandpas house in mexico, they killed a cow, a pig, and a turkey. happiest man i ever met. good food too.
I'm not vegan but I get where the guy is coming from. I believe we should still be allowed to eat meat but minimise it to the point where we see it as a luxury food item rather than a daily thing. But at the same time, I blame the government for not promoting alternatives and not lowering the prices of those vegan alternatives. Unless the government does something about it, its useless to try and argue the current norm.
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Not sure but Vegan Meat is expensive compared to Real Meat
0 likesThis YouTuber don’t realize this what JiDions channel all about😂
0 likesPranks and messing with people😂
I love this man JiDion but imma be honest, he kinda got rolled when he brought up the religion. Respect to both of them
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Hunting and sacrifices can be a spiritual practice & for survival for sure. However, TODAY we live in a world where we don’t have to kill due to mass meat cooperations. The deaths are already unbalanced.
11 likes@Abundance of Abundance exactly dude
1 likeWho actually cares though they’re animals
1 like@Abundance of Abundance they gon keep killing because they need fresh muscle tissue and it makes corporations hella bank. Honestly not much is going to change about it. We gon run Earth to the ground until The second coming of Jesus. Humans just don’t have the wisdom and power to change and fix anything on a major level, that’s why we create more problems than solving them.
0 likesCertain religions reflect what you eat
0 likesI'm not vegetarian or anything but it is true that those bad things are happening to animals. It's really more about how you view the importance of animal lives and also how bad you care about the meat industry impacting climate change.
0 likesFor me I try to eat less beef / red meat less mainly for climate/health reasons but I still enjoy meat
I'm sorry if they "care for animals" they would have cows themselves in there own pasture. I have cows in my pasture and there super yummy.
6 likesBut the point I'm getting to is that, if he cares about animals so much then why doesn't he take care of them himself.
Bro tried comparing eating food to sexual harassment
0 likesPersonally it's not cool to kill animals but we are omnivores. It's nature. Can we survive without meat sure but humans have eaten meat continuously forever. There was never a time when we weren't omnivores or if there was it was long long before now.
1 likeVegans have a point about treating animals humanely. We should. I totally agree with them.
Jidion literally screamed moooo
1 likeI ain't never been so proud of JiDion 😭
59 likesI can now say I’ve seen the none hilarious side of jidion
0 likesi honestly woulda mentioned the fact that animals eat other animals too so this discussion seems lowkey pointless to me when it’s just part of our natural food chain.
0 likesDoes the vegan guy realize he has a goat pic for his podcast 💀
0 likesThis was amazing
0 likeslol its not that hard to conclude things regarding Vegans. Just go back 10000 years afo how humans had to survive, by hunting animals. Just like animals eat animals, we as humans also eat animals, and you even have animals that eat humans. However, we are not living in that age anymore, so now we could debate wether the way these animals are being mass slaughtered for food production, if thats the right way. Thats another story, but saying that humans should not kill animals for food to surbive is a bit strange.
0 likesI’m a 14 year old Vegan and I care about animals But I mind my own business and don’t try to force people to go vegan like this dude
3 likesAs soon as he’s talking about animals dying, I’m over here eating a hotdog sandwich
1 likeIn the Christian religion yes we did have to sacrifice a lamb every time we sin and Jesus sacrificed his life for our sins so we don’t need to do that anymore
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Yup
0 likesdude rlly tried to make up a fake human animal to ask him if hed kill it or nah
0 likesYou should’ve asked him if he believed in evolution because the human brain grew larger when our ancestors started eating cooked meat
0 likesBruh then there is me a guy in a Mexican family raising cows and chickens then killing them and eating the bomb azz food lol 😂
0 likesThis video is so inspiring it made my friend stop being vegan
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lmaooooo
1 likeGood. Plenty of meat for everyone :)
9 likes@Mark Pat Joe Bill Dinosaur good on you for promoting animal slavery and cruelty
4 likes@freemit survival of the fittest my friend :)
16 likes@freemit damn that sucks. Anyways eats 2 burgers so the vegan thinking he's making a difference isn't making a difference
11 likes@A dog careful. The vegan will retaliate and eat 3, that’s right, 3 impossible burgers and will tell you how he’s saving the planet.
4 likesMy videos are similar style to Jidion, I’m a New Youtuber and tryna hit my dream of 5k 🔥🔥
0 likes@HKROW I guess the best way to get views is to eat meat in a vegan restaurant. People love it when vegans get angry
0 likesUnknown you need certain vitamins from meat, so it’s not helping with health
0 likes@Mark Pat Joe Bill Dinosaur I will try it sometime
0 likesYou gonna stop being vegan cus of religion smh. What’s more likely geographic regions have different religions because they have all made up some bs to fit there agendas or 1 religion is correct. Believing in 1 religion means u disbelieve the 1000s of others.
0 likes@Dizzy no you don't lmao. Many pro athletes are 100% vegan.
1 like@freemit yea
0 likes@Mark Pat Joe Bill Dinosaur he not saving the planet🤣
0 likes@freemit no one cares
0 likesUnknown cool eats an additional 5 burgers and 2 steaks since nobody asked you
1 like@just anotherdud most vegans think they are tho 😂
1 like@Mark Pat Joe Bill Dinosaur Why do you love it when vegans get angry? Vegans are simply giving voice for the voiceless victims, they are trying to make their unnecessary suffering end. What about vegans makes you wish harm for them?
0 likes@Atte Rahikkala because they never let me eat peace lol
0 likes@Mark Pat Joe Bill Dinosaur Like I said veganism is not about you or the vegans. They only care about your eating because there's a victim involved. The inconvenience you experience when "vegans don't let you eat in peace" is nothing compared to the inconvenience and literal torture animals experience in factory farms.
0 likes@Atte Rahikkala the thing is I get hungry and i desire chicken or a burger. There’s nothing you could do about it. Sorry 🤷🏻♂️
0 likes@Mark Pat Joe Bill Dinosaur Don't apologize to me, I'm not the victim. Do you think that you desiring to eat chicken or non-vegan burger makes it justifiable to eat those foods?
0 likes@Atte Rahikkala I eat what I want. I know animals get slaughtered for food and I personally don’t care. Sorry 🤷🏻♂️
0 likes@Mark Pat Joe Bill Dinosaur Again, your apology to me means nothing because I'm not the victim. Just to be clear, the slaughtering part is only one part of the exploitation. It's the suffering they experience through their whole life what is worst. You don't care about the slaughter but do you care about the suffering? If not, why?
0 likes@Mark Pat Joe Bill Dinosaur I know and it's ridiculous 🤣
0 likes@Atte Rahikkala I don’t care about the slaughtering and the suffering. As long as I get my burger I’m all good with it. Once again, sorry. 🤷🏻♂️
0 likes@just anotherdud for real though I just want to eat in peace lmao
0 likes@Atte Rahikkala besides their suffering ends once they die. So it’s all good
0 likes@Atte Rahikkala hopefully they can reincarnate to human in the next life :)
0 likes@Mark Pat Joe Bill Dinosaur Would you care if dogs were tortured and slaughtered for food? Or would you care if they were humans? I'm trying to understand your position
0 likes@Mark Pat Joe Bill Dinosaur for real
0 likes@Atte Rahikkala unfortunately it happens with dogs and cats too. I don’t like it but it happens. However, I still will eat chicken and beef. Sometimes pork. Once again, you’re not gonna change my mind. Sorry 🤷🏻♂️
0 likes@Mark Pat Joe Bill Dinosaur So you do care about dogs and cats, interesting. Most likely about humans too then even though you didn't answer the question. So what is it about dogs and cats that makes you care for them? Cows, pigs and chickens are fundamentally exactly the same with dogs and cats. They all have a nervous system, they can all suffer and feel pain, they all want to live and their level of intelligence is about the same. A child wouldn't know to choose to only play with dogs and cats, a child would want to play with them all. So again, why do you care about dogs and cats? I'm simply trying to understand
0 likes@Atte Rahikkala yeah I’m still gonna eat steak and chicken. End of discussion. Sorry.
0 likes@Mark Pat Joe Bill Dinosaur I'm starting to understand now. You can't ethically justify your meat eating, and now that you couldn't answer the question about caring reveals that there in fact is a side of you which cares about the suffering of the animals and you know you are doing wrong. It's completely natural, like I said a child would want to play with all of them, cows, pigs, chickens, dogs and cats. A child would be terrified to see any of them suffer or to be killed. Hating cows, pigs and chicken and ignoring their suffering is completely learned behavior. Vegans make you get back the natural compassion inside of you. And since the compassion goes against your meat addiction, you try to cope your cognitive dissonance by insulting the vegans. That's what your vegan hate is about - you don't want to hear the truth.
1 likeYou don't have to prove me anything, you don't have to respond. I wish you the all the best for the deep reflection you are going through and hopefully you will reconnect with your nature and do what the animals would want you to do.
@Atte Rahikkala Sorry for getting you upset. Oh and btw, im eating a hamburger as we’re speaking. 😋 🍔
0 likesits cool to see that people i support belive in god
0 likesbro this was actually a greatt video
0 likesThem talking about not eating meat
0 likesMe eating a burger
What vegans forget is that humans are omnivores which means they literally are meant to eat animals AND plants, which is like telling a lion to stop eating zebras and antelopes
0 likesHow many times did bro say shot in the heads and having their throat slit 💀
0 likesFound your channel through my boy, David. Great respectful discussion. For all the non-vegans, it’s important to recognize that almost no vegans were born vegan. I used to spend $100 on steak dinners. People don’t stop eating animals because they don’t taste good, we just realized we can eat delicious food without causing so much pain, suffering and death. A little bit of empathy is what this crazy world needs. ✌🏼💚🌱
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the animals get a quick death. It’s not abuse. Also, people were made to eat meat. We’re omnivores. Nature WANTS us to eat meat.
4 likes@shoobadoo123 the animals doesnt want to be exploited and die. thats the biggest problem. can I kill a human if I give them a quick death? why hurt others when we can just eat plants? we are omnivores witch means we dont NEED to eat chopped up bodyparts to survive.
9 likes@shoobadoo123 Some do, but many get boiled alive, put in gas chambers, beaten, and electrocuted before being killed. I know this because I’ve seen dozens of hours of hidden camera footage, and I’ve also been to dozens of slaughterhouses and farms around the world. How many slaughterhouses and factory farms have you been to?
8 likesAnd, more importantly, even if animals weren’t put in tiny cages, mutilated, and abused, they’re all still having their throats slit for no good reason. Don’t waste your time, you won’t convince me to start harming animals after nine years of living an amazing life without hurting animals.
@Animal Rights hypocrite
0 likes@AVO so why do you pay for technology that contains cholesterol from animal agriculture
0 likes@Assassin 9958 Do I really have to explain this for the gajillionth time?? Ffs. I have a thousand food options where animals aren’t abused and/or killed. I have zero options for a phone without traces of animal products. Once animals are no longer killed en masse for food, I’m certain they’ll find other solutions for phone screens, car tires, bills (currency), etc. Veganism is about reducing harm to animals where possible and practicable. We cause harm just by simply existing… doesn’t mean we have to kill ourselves to reduce our impact on others 😂🤡
7 likes@AVO nice flip flop between perfection and imperfection to suit your whims and avoid your hypocrisy
0 likes@Assassin 9958 Anyone with a decent set of morals is a hypocrite in one way or another. Claiming that our inherent imperfection means we should be indifferent toward the unnecessary pain, suffering, and death of other sentient beings is a very slippery slope.
2 likes@Animal Rights human life is more valuable so no you can’t. And again I don’t hurting or abusing animals. A quick death is not hurting them. we’re omnivores because we evolved that way. Nature dictated that we need both meat and nonmeat for a healthy diet. Everything about the human body shows that. Our teeth. Our taste buds LOVING the taste of meat. Our whole digestive track. We are able to eat meat for a reason
1 like@AVO yea I know about all that stuff and obviously I don’t condone any of it. As long as it’s a quick death and living conditions are good during their lifetimes, it’s not hurting/abusing them. And don’t worry I would never try to convince anyone to harm animals because I am against animal abuse
0 likes@shoobadoo123 You can’t be against animal abuse while paying for it. And if you’ve actually been inside of several factory farms and slaughterhouses and think that what happens in those places isn’t abuse and cruelty, then just ask yourself if you would trade places with them. That’s the way to know if something is right or wrong. If you wouldn’t want it done to you, then you shouldn’t do it to others.
0 likes@AVO you act like every meat place abuses animals. Most do not. Also I make sure the companies I buy from don’t do any of that stuff.
0 likes@shoobadoo123 Wait… so animals aren’t forced into slaughterhouses and have their throats slit unnecessarily for any of the animal products you buy??
0 likes@AVO they are killed quickly but they are not abused so don’t worry
0 likes@shoobadoo123 You wouldn’t be saying that if you had ever spent a few hours inside a factory farm (where 99.9% of farmed animals live). But even worse than abusing them is killing them. Would you trade places with them? If not, then you clearly recognize it’s fucked up.
0 likes@AVO 99.9% of animals are abused before they are killed? Bullshit 😂
1 likeIf I were an animal, then sure. As long as I get a quick death and am not abused beforehand. But I am a human and human lives are infinitely more valuable
@shoobadoo123Ok, so where do 99.9% of animals live if not in horrible, abusive conditions in factory farms around the world? Do you have any clue what you’re talking about? 🙄🔫
0 likesAnd what makes you think that a cow doesn’t value her life as much as you do? Of course, your life is more important to you, and there’s nothing wrong with caring about humans, but that doesn’t justify abusing and killing animals unnecessarily. Can you actually come up with any valid reason to harm and kill animals when we have absolutely no need to??
@AVO are you serious? You believe that pretty much every animal is abused before it’s killed? The vegan propaganda has really gotten to you. Most places don’t abuse the animals at all.
1 likeA cow is not capable of thinking at that high of a level. Can’t believe that has to be explained. And I already gave my reasoning. We were MADE to eat meat. And if we were as dumb as animals, we would definitely be eating meat because we wouldn’t be able to think about high level things such as morality. So just because we’re smart and can come up with a reason to not eat animals doesn’t mean we shouldn’t. You could come up with a reason why I don’t NEED to shit in the toilet, but I’m still gonna shit in the toilet. We don’t NEED to most things that we do, but we still do them. So the argument of “if you don’t NEED to, why do it?” is very weak.
@Animal Rights Y'all stay mad at us for eating animals but what about other predators like lions, cheetahs, alligators, eagles, snakes and the many other apex predators that hunt animals every second? what you finna do, try to talk them into not killing and eating animals?
1 like@AVO Y'all stay mad at us for eating animals but what about other predators like lions, cheetahs, alligators, eagles, snakes and the many other apex predators that hunt animals every second? what you finna do, try to talk them into not killing and eating animals?
1 like@Jay 1. I think more people should be upset about animal abuse and unnecessary cruelty/violence. 2. That's a pretty goofy thing to say... the animals you mentioned don't have moral agency 😂 Plus, wild animals are in survival mode, they don't have grocery stores.
1 likeAre you actually suggesting our morality should be based on what wild animals do?? Do you support legalizing rape and murder because wild animals do those things?? 🤨
@AVO their throats aren’t slit lol. Generally it’s either a decapitation or electrocution lol
1 like@AVO bro animals don’t think. They have instincts. They can’t process things like us. Fuck, even bugs do their best to live lol. Its instincts. We have instincts too, but the free will to take over those. Sure some animals are smart, but it just isn’t what you make it out to be.
1 like@Blank Man What?? 😂😂😂 First, humans are animals (mammals). And yes, animals do think, that’s what a brain is for. Not only are many nonhuman animals quite smart, they also have emotions and feel pain and suffering much like we do. Did you skip biology class in school or something? I’m not exaggerating when I say that your comment has to be one of the dumbest comments I’ve ever seen on YouTube. Seriously, you should get a prize. 😂😂😂
0 likes@AVO so you tell me that insects think because they have brains? No lmao, they follow instincts and pheromones. Dumbass bro… we can think so much more deeply than animals. We are significantly more intelligent than ANY animal. Bro you don’t. Get it 😂
1 like@Blank Man Animals don’t have their throats slit in slaughterhouses ?? I’m starting to see your point about some animals not thinking 😂 You know you could just use google instead of relying on strangers on YouTube to teach you things 😂😂😂
0 likes@AVO No, they don’t. Nobody slits a pig’s throat lmao. Generally it is decaptitation or electrocution. I don’t know what Bandladesh farms you are talking aboit
1 like@AVO My point just flew right over your head because we also need meat, we need protein because it is essential to our diet so I don't know how tf you got rape and murder out of what I said. Most of you vegans have to be taking supplements just so y'all don't get sick because y'all lack protein smh.
1 like@AVO y'all be acting like they don't suffer as much when they're out there in the wild not being eaten by humans. If we don't eat them then trust and believe that some other predator is gonna eat them.
1 like@Jay Do you actually think that 80 billion pigs, chickens and cows are caught in the wild and put in factory farms??? 🤨😂 I'm actually blown away at how dumb some of the comments on this thread are. Seriously. I'm kinda worried for humanity.
1 like@shoobadoo123 FACTS
0 likes@AVO Go back to my comment and tell me when did I ever say that 80 billion pigs, chickens and cows are caught in the wild and put in factory farms. I am literally talking about how y'all see no problem with other animals eating animals but humans are where y'all draw the line. Even if they weren't eaten by us most of them would've most likely die from natural causes, starvation and being hunted by other animals but y'all don't pay attention to that. What you're not gonna make me look like is a fool cause I know that I'm right. Y'all just want to find a reason to argue with people about what they eat.
1 like@Jay Read your own comment 😂 You said that they suffer in the wild when they aren’t being eaten by humans. None of those animals would exist in the wild. They are forcibly bred into existence unnecessarily to be tortured and killed as babies for profit. It’s clear from your last comment that you have no clue how this industry works. I swear, the amount of people who embarrass themselves and waste time arguing about shit they no NOTHING about is astounding.
0 likes@AVO If they were bred for that purpose then so what? if we were suppose to free every "forcibly bred" animal into the wild, would they survive? No dummy because out there they're literally the same thing to other predators...FOOD. I don't have to know much about it because the excuses y'all make are shit and you guys tend to make up the most unrealistic scenarios to get what y'all want.
0 likes@JayMaaaaan, you’re just digging your hole deeper and deeper 😂 There would be no need to release these artificially created animals if these animal abusing industries didn’t create them in the first place 🤨 That’s literally why people who are against animal abuse boycott these industries. No semi-intelligent person believes that some day 80 billion farmed animals are going to be bred by farmers in order to be released into the wild 😂😂😂 Not only do you sound like a complete doorknob every time you write something, you’re also defending animal cruelty while doing it 🤡🔫 Do yourself a favour, delete all your comments before someone screenshots them and sends them to your mom and she disowns you 😂
0 likesTheUnknown If you want to try to convince a lion not to eat a zebra, go right ahead 😂 I don’t control what lions do. What I can control is that I’m not going to abuse animals that did nothing wrong to me because a lion ate a zebra in Africa. Are you actually trying to justify unnecessary violence against animals because “lions”? 🤡
0 likesTheUnknown Seriously?? 🤨 You’re actually suggesting humans should base our morality on the actions of wild animals?? If a lion rapes another lion, humans should rape each other too? Or if a lion kills their baby, we should kill our babies too? Robbing people is also ok, I suppose? Suggesting humans should act like wild animals in order to justify animal cruelty has to be one of the stupidest things I’ve ever heard 🤡😂 We have moral agency, a lion does not.
0 likesTheUnknown Ok… I’m screenshotting this convo and submitting it to the 2021 YouTube awards. Pretty sure I’ll win for being a part of the most ridiculous conversation EVER on YouTube. You literally said, “If an animal can eat other animals and we are animals, why can’t I?” Those are your words. You said that dumb shit. Then, when I pointed out how completely idiotic your statement is and called you a clown, your response was basically, I’m not a clown, you are 😂👏🏻👏🏻 Actually, you’re 100% right, I am a clown for wasting my time here 🤡 🤡🤡 I’m out.
0 likesAnd just be more healthier.
0 likes@Anonymous Dude.
0 likes@Animal Rights Animals eat animals that how life works, yes we are omnivores but it’s a choice. Simple as that if I wanted to stop eating meat it would be my choice not yours. If I wanted to continue eating meat I will and there’s nothing you can do about it. 🤷🏼♂️And that’s how most people have been raised anyways, meat is the thing mostly cooked at home from what I’ve seen. What makes it wrong for us to eat animals if other animals do it too? We’re technically animals. How’s it wrong for us to survive?
0 likes@Dafaqq Of course its your choice to pay for an animal to be abused and killed for food/clothing/entertainment. Just like its my choice to personally abuse or kill a human. Is it a good choice? No. Because theres a VICTIM involved. Tradition argument doesnt hold, humanity have done lots of fucked up things in the past. Im sure you wouldnt justify slavery or murder of humans. But when its non human animals you're fine with it, cause you value their life so little, even less than a fucking sandwich.
0 likesNon human animals dont have access to supermarkets dude. They need to eat animals to survive. You dont, you can choose to eat plants instead. Besides, do you usually get your morals from animals? Do you always walk around naked, greeting people by sniffing their butts and occasionally eating your own babies? You cant justify an action because "animals do it" when you dont wanna copy anything else.
@Animal Rights Never said I value them less than a fucking sandwich 😂😂 never said I agree with how they’re killed or if they’re abused all I said was “if I were to turn vegan it’d be my choice not yours” because it seems like you vegans want to force everyone to eat plants which buddy it’s not going to happen. Simple as that don’t assume things, you literally make no points talking about slavery or the murder of humans when it comes to eating animals they’re not the same. You don’t kill a human for food do you? Unless you’re a cannibal but it seems like you’re vegan. And you said I get my morals from animals? Buddy you’re actually crazy 😂😂you’re bringing up all these arguments and retarded shit just because I eat meat.
0 likes@Dafaqq well you made a bunch of points for eating meat so I was simply responding. im gonna break it down really simple so you understand.
0 likesdo you buy sandwiches with animal flesh or their fluids on it? cause if you do, yes: you value their life less than a sandwich! and you very much agree with how they are killed or abused. otherwise you would be vegan.
nobodys forcing you to do anything. vegans are NOT the ones forcing knives against the throats of the innocent. vegans are NOT the ones that vote with their dollars to have someone exploited and killed against their will. we are simply telling you to stop supporting it. who cares what they are killed for? its always wrong to kill, is it not? or is it OK to kill a human for food, is that seriously your point??
YOU are the one who brought up animals eat other animals. I simply asked If you would use the same justification for their other actions. seems like you dont
@Animal Rights Main point was we have a choice but ok. Second of all y’all literally trying to force people to become vegan 😂😂😂. If they eat meat you harass them and say they’re terrible people. And I do not pay for “someone to die or be abused” the animal has already been killed by that point. I might eat animals but that doesn’t mean I agree with abusing animals, what? I eat meat, yes I simply think if you’re going to kill them, you should kill them quickly with no pain. And don’t justify killing humans using what I said about a painless death because they’re not the same. It’s way different when you kill a human than when you kill an animal and if you believe it’s the same thing then we’re done here.
0 likes@Dafaqq the animals are killed because people are paying to eat their dead bodies. if people didnt pay for meat and dairy, these industries wouldnt exist, its basic supply and demand.
0 likesI haven't said we are the same. but the choice is not between killing a human or an animal. its between killing an animal or eating plants. the animals doesnt wanna be abused or die, and we have no right to take their life from them. just imagine if you were in their position. vegans are so loud and "forcing" because if we wont speak about this, who will? the animals are screaming but nobody is listening to them.
Jidion got L arguments on this one
0 likesPyrocynical made a good point in one of his videos, vegan activists always pull up the argument that we're killing animals shooting them in the head and cutting their throats, he said that when people go to the store and they see bacon or chicken wings, they see them as just food, just meat, and not an animal. But if you give them a gun and tell them to go kill a pig most people would not do it. I feel like there are certain animals we are morally allowed to eat, like god created them so we could improve our health and lifestyle, like how diary products are healthy and essential, or like how chicken eggs are considered one of the healthiest meals for us. Cows, Lambs, Chickens, Pigs, Turkey etc. are imo okay to eat, unless you are muslim or jewish like i am a muslim so we can't consume pork. What we should stop is for example dog slaughter houses, which is what led to over inbred dog breeds that have difficulty even just existing, living and breathing. We shouldn't treat other animals badly, like burning down/ cutting down forests for personal interest, like the iconic blue parrots from the Rio movies no longer existing on the outside world. Point is the argument that we are killing them is as wrong as it can get, we don't see beef as Bob's Cow Larry, we see it as a piece of meat to be cooked medium rare that would go with some fine wine.
0 likes✋As a person who does not eat meat people who shame those who eat meat make me wanna eat a nice juicy burger
0 likesimagine caring what others eat when its not your body
0 likesThis dude wildin.
0 likesWhen I found out JiDion was a Christian my respect went up for him
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9 likes@Tom what
61 likes@Tom tf
27 likesWatch videos of CosmicSkeptic debating Christians.
0 likes@ॐ Boi you're literally a Hindu smh. You shouldn't even have a say in the cosmological argument. CosmicSkeptic can't even stand by his own beliefs and here you're encouraging people to watch his debates 🤔 the next minute he claims to be agnostic but then goes back to being a brainless atheist like he doesn't make any sense lol
19 likes@Tom wtf
1 like@ॐ Boi lmao good one
0 likes@ॐ Boi he says bull crap lol he doesn’t make logical sense his view points contradict dem selves
3 likes@Tom huh?
0 likes@Tom that’s not….a race……
0 likes@Football Moments what is wrong with you criticizing other religions
0 likes@ॐ Boi seen his videos. Uninterested.
0 likesAnd mines went down
1 like@SkaterNSpike so it’s ok to criticize Christianity but when any other religion gets criticized it’s wrong?
2 likes@Diaper Turd No It's not okay to criticize any religion. Including Christianity.
0 likesThere’s a reason Christians are vegan, in the Bible in one of the very early chapters in genesis, god gives Adam all animals so that he can name them and they are his to do whatever he wants with them. The Bible states that, there’s some Christian’s that are vegan and that’s fine. But there is major religions that believe in being vegan, so therefore we should not start a war. Like JD said we all have our viewpoints and we are all human when it comes down to it, we just need to set aside our differences and realize that we are family! Doesn’t matter what kind of food you eat, we’re family!
4 likesMocking someone’s beliefs is wrong. Even if you don’t believe in veganism it is disrespectful to go to their restaurant and disrespect their beliefs. This was a horrible conversation. Dijion kept cutting him off and talking over him.
0 likesayo jidion is smart asf
0 likesGod bless stay safe ✝️🙏✝️🙏
0 likeswhy tf is this video age restricted and how did it just let me watch it without proof
0 likesMy respect for JiDion when he said he said he’s Christian📈
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He certainly doesn't behave as one
7 likes@Red Herring how so, he does nothing wrong, just makes fun of people. Christians are allowed to how fun lol
0 likes@Red Herring and? not everyone has to be the same :/
0 likesIt’s great that you believe in what the Bible says however you gotta tighten it up fr and follow Christ and stay away from sin fr love you brudda
0 likesThey both got points but we been eating meat for atleast 6 years now so its quite hard to revert it
0 likesLmao I kno your neighbors hate you 😂😂😂😂
0 likes"the Bible supports slavery" Just so people know "slave/servant" was the equivalent to saying "worker" so that causes a lot of confusion.
0 likesBro if the world followed either the Bible, torah, or Quran, we’d be chillin. WIDION W💯💯
0 likesAs a vegan for 2 years since I turned 16 I think its everyone's right to have there own lifestyle and beliefs, I love animals so I don't eat them, I like the diet , and I feel really good about it , You eat animals cus they taste good and that's that! Keep up the good ass content Jidion! all love out here, also you should try it for a week or 2 and document the experience I think that would be interesting to see, and it might make some of those extremist vegans happier lol
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Don't be a pick me vegan man. Either be against violence or not. Its good that you yourself aren't contributing to it but don't be hyping up other people for doing it or just easily dismissing the impact of their choice to harm others by just being like "oh yeah its all good what you do its just your lifestyle blabla".
6 likes@Radiocorrective the animals get a quick death. It’s not abuse. Also, people were made to eat meat. We’re omnivores. Nature WANTS us to eat meat.
2 likesI love steak
0 likes@GMan 10 a man of culture, I also do like eating stake.
0 likesWhen are we going to start to get mad at people who kill bugs?
0 likesIn most of the bible when they talked about slaves you have to remember the bible was translated from the hebrew language and this had a different meaning then, a “slave” was a servant, obviously there was slaves like we are familiar with in that time frame as well, but when the bible refers to slaves it is talking about servants. correct me if i’m wrong
0 likesAhhh you got him Jidion
0 likesThe goku screensaver gives me big rawdogging energy
0 likesUnintentionally watched this video while eating steak
0 likesJidion is smarter than he looks😂
21 likesU were really trollin mans beliefs and he was a great sport. Nice
0 likesI love how Jidion freely cusses even though he says he believes in the bible
0 likesVegan: blah blah
1 likeMe: while watching the video, this chicken slaps bro🔥uh
JiDion up next 💯
1 likeAh yes, the “oh but we’re killing animals!!! Be sympathetic!!” Mf they do the same shit to us, they kill us n eat us???!!!
0 likesjidion straight up just hugged some old lady for a one second clip
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0 likesJIdion is the GOAT
0 likesI don’t get how people treat animal lives like human lives, like what am I supposed to just let my pig eat my grass for it’s entire life ?
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1 likei think being a vegetarian is really just taboo these days. i feel bad for the animals. they got souls n emotions n shi too
0 likesPretty sure if you look across nature morality is really a human concept so it’s a belief.
0 likesWhat about animals that eat other animals? That would’ve been a good question to ask him
0 likesThe vegan guy is just mad he can't make meat as good as Jidion.
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My videos are similar style to Jidion, I’m a New Youtuber and tryna hit my dream of 5k 🔥🔥🔥
0 likesHe’s just mad Jidion meat wasn’t in his mouth
3 likes@Uzi 😩
0 likes@UziCouldn't a gave it to him because of the stream, sadly
0 likesBro progress on my niggas channel has been wild he has gained so many subs in a year and half respect 💯🔥
0 likesI believe that it is bad to cut animals and eat them and that people should change. But you should not force anyone to change and instead let themselves go through that process. I believe that eventually people will understand this and shift towards plant-based meat, but it's gonna take time because we can't change overnight.
0 likesim eating ham as a snack while I watch this
0 likesOk, the Bible doesn’t justify slavery. In those times, “slavery” in Israel was a way for someone to repay a debt they owed with labor instead of currency. Slavery was not racially based and when the “slave” fully repaid their debt they were free to go. The Old Testament was meant to serve as a temporary means of direction for God’s followers until Jesus came and after he rose again the Old Testament was no longer meant to serve as the main way for people to earn God’s favor. God bless yall
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But it justifies hitting your slaves and treating them inhumanely “When a man strikes his slave, male or female, with a rod and the slave dies under his hand, he shall be avenged. But if the slave survives a day or two, he is not to be avenged, for the slave is his money. Exodus 21:20
0 likes@CLIMZYS
1 likeIn the social structure of ancient Israel, physical punishment was considered the appropriate response for acts of disobedience and rebellion. The y weren’t just beating their slaves as they pleased and treated them however they wanted as a matter of fact, the verse you just quoted was one of many verses in exodus 21 that were condoning violence and setting boundaries for what was appropriate violence and unacceptable violence. Either way, the OT was a temporary means to get by until Jesus came, and once he died and rose again, the Old Testament was no longer the primary and only source for followers of God to go to heaven, but the New Testament and the commandments of Jesus replaced the Old Testament.
Hope you have a blessed day:)✝️
Can’t argue this plants are living things too.
0 likesBro respect for have non an actaul conversation and not arguing the entire time we need more of this
9 likesTbf he could’ve given a really good rebuttal to the Christianity topic by explaining that there wasn’t a means of mass murder in Bible times & the killing of animals was much more ethical & thought out.
0 likesJidion should have said what about other animals slaughtering other animals for food. They suffer worse death than the one we humans do to put on our patty.
0 likesAlmost jumped out my chair
0 likesOne of the only/biggest reasons I eat meat still is due to the fact that if the animals had the chance to eat me, they probably/most likely would. Although, the abuse is disgusting.
0 likesI worked at a poultry plant and we killed the animals in the most human way possible 😂
0 likesDavid Ramms made great solid points. There really is no reason for us to be killing and eating animals. If we could live a happy and healthy life without harming animals, why wouldn't we?
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Oh so you want us to stop eating animals so us humans get sick because we lack nutrition yeaaa ok....
5 likesIt's not good to not eat meat ur whole life and in the Bible idk if ur religious but God said he put animals on the earth so we can eat them
9 likes@Kids Snyder ik it isnt good to eat meat your whole life which is why I mix things up, I eat vegetables and meat and btw I am also christian and your point is so right since it's actually from the bible
0 likes@GlitchedExploiter_YT every single nutrient you need is found in plants. And almost always in greater quantities per calorie. Also for significantly less money.
6 likes@Cameron MacDonald so your saying there isn't much nutrients in meat but there's more in vegetables?
0 likes@Cameron MacDonald idk I feel like there's a reason elite vegan athletes are rare. And then lots nutritionists that say a plant based diet is the best still eat fish/chicken.
2 likes@ElClashh Depends what you mean by "rare". The NBA alone has Kyrie Irving, Chris Paul, Tobias Harris, JaVale McGee, among many others who are all vegan. Some of the strongest men on the planet, who enter strong men competitions are vegan.
3 likes@GlitchedExploiter_YT There's lots of nutrients in meat, but there's also lots of nutrients in vegetables, and more of the really important nutrients in vegetables.
0 likes@Cameron MacDonald for us meat lovers it's not that simple,first is the taste,you cant beat the flavor that meat provides,and it makes us full too,proteins take longer to digest,if I go vegan I'll be starving frequently
1 like@Evan Nagao uh ok
0 likesNo people have choices.. you have no Authority over what other people choice to eat
0 likes@sayajin most of every single vegan used to eat meat, and what you said "taste" and "satiety" are what all of us have overcome. And they are really non issues. Taste - vegan foods are amazing if you give it a chance. If you crave the meaty taste, you can get it from fake meats. "satiety" - this is simple, eat larger portions until you're full.
1 likeVegans simple have realized that an animal's life is worth more than simple problems like taste and convenience, and I can guarantee you, that it's really easy to be vegan. You just need to form new habits and you'll soon be regretting why you haven't gone vegan sooner
@BlackCobra there is no way any vegan can force you to go vegan, just like how no one can force you to be a non racist, or non child abuser. Vegans merely point out that if you're not vegan, then you're abusing animals, and that's an immoral thing to do.
1 like@Happy Cats I can't see them animals as being more than a protein source for me,I'm comfortable and happy with my food habits as how they are and I'm very sure it's gonna stay that way.
0 likesBut with that said,I respect your beliefs and appreciate you for doing what you think is right for the animals,props to you for that.
@sayajin Do you see dogs or cats the same way? Just a protein source?
1 likeSome people like meat more than plants
0 likes@Happy Cats bad argument. Your attached to your pet, you love your pet, you even feed your pet beef so it can eat, you dot eat your pet so you dont think of it as a meat source.
0 likes@freddysanford All vegans are saying is that if you don't have to cause suffering to animals, why do it? For your own taste pleasure?
1 like@freddysanford All animals are deserving of our kindness. Why love one but eat the other? All animals suffer the same, regardless of whether they are a dog or a pig.
1 likeBc animal s are yummy 😋😋😋😋😋😋😋
0 likes@Happy Cats dam 🦫
0 likesIdk bro I just like chicken
0 likes@ringwormboy15 you can buy vegan chicken made from plants, taste the same, no animals needfully killed.
1 likeCause meat is good af
0 likes@Milf Muncher good as in taste good? Why kill animals for your own personal taste pleasure? You can get vegan options that taste just as good, without killing animals.
1 like@Happy Cats actually you’ve changed my view points. I’m going to become vegan specifically to harm plants and the environment.
0 likesThank you for enlightening me ❤️✊
@ringwormboy15 yes, Plants don't care if you harm them or not, so that's okay. As for the environment, you will actually be helping the environment.
1 like@Happy Cats Oh nah, you’re not picking up what I’m putting down. I will uproot those smug plants and raze terror among their species. I will take out entire ecosystems, grazing on their lifeless, wilted husks. I will pollute oceans with mountains of nightshade, belladonna berries and other undesignated fruits and vegetables. I will ruin as many ecosystems as I can, they will soon fear me, Ringwormboy15. My reign of veganism has just begun.
1 likeAnd maybe, when I’m done, I’ll enjoy a nice steak dinner. I’m all for equality, plants and animals both deserve pain. Also, meat is tasty fr, like chicken deserves more credit.
@ringwormboy15 yeah, why destroy and kill when you can choose to be kind? stop hurting animals and sentient beings. Choose to be kind, be vegan.
1 like@Happy Cats I just said was going to be vegan. I’m hurting both species along the way, pain is equality ✊
0 likes@ringwormboy15 yeah, I mean, let's choose not to hurt anyone when you don't have to. Choose to be kind, be vegan.
1 like@Happy Cats I feel like you still don’t understand. I just became a vegan. I’m just a methodical vegan trying things that have never been done before.
0 likesAlso I’m masochistic.
@ringwormboy15 okay, good to hear you're vegan. Thanks for choosing to be kind to animals.
1 like@Happy Cats Yes, I’m vegan but I’m decided that it’s too bland and needs thing to spice it up. I will revolutionize the vegan industry. So, I started eating chicken in my veggie wraps, sometimes I put some beef in my rice bowls, and put tuna in my salad.
0 likesIt’s honestly a pretty diverse diet, I wonder why vegans haven’t tried stuff like this before?
@ringwormboy15 it's not vegan if you're eating animals. Choose to be kind, stop hurting animals, and be vegan.
1 like@Happy Cats I am you’re just mad that I have a varied diet.
0 likes@ringwormboy15 as a vegan I have a varied diet, one that does not kill, and harm sentient beings unnecessarily. Choose to be kind, stop hurting animals and be vegan
1 like@Happy Cats But what if you want to cause pain intentionally? Can I still be vegan?
0 likes@ringwormboy15 sure if it's self defence.
1 like@Happy Cats Hell yeah! Imma go beat up some cows 🦾🐄
0 likes@ringwormboy15 not sure why you would want to be violent. Choose to be kind, animals are our friends.
1 like@Happy Cats I’m a masochist, remember?
0 likes@ringwormboy15 hmm, that means you like being hurt, which is okay if that's what you like, but you don't have to hurt others. Especially if they don't give you consent
1 like@Happy Cats yo what if I ask the animals for consent, I’m happy to burn down a forest and drop kick a chicken.
0 likes@ringwormboy15 animals are not able to give consent. Choose to be kind, be vegan
0 likes@Happy Cats wanna bet? Plants feel pain but you still eat them. Animals feel pain. What’s the difference? Are you gonna let tons of domesticated animals out into the wild, and let them get folded by a predator? Also if you want people to be kind, why do other carnivores eat each other, want them to eat plants too?
0 likes@ringwormboy15 plants don't have a brain, so they don't feel pain. Stop hurting animals, choose to be kind, be vegan
1 like@Happy Cats you kind just ignored the rest of my argument, but yes they do feel pain, albeit not in the same way humans do.
0 likes@ringwormboy15 plants have no nervous system and no brain, so have no consciousness. Stop hurting animals, choose to be kind, be vegan
1 like@Happy Cats Again, you totally ignore my previous argument because you have no answer. Plants when uprooted, cut, etc, their receptors send signals to their cells to let them know they are being perturbed. Now can you answer my argument?
0 likes@ringwormboy15 Plants have no brains and nervous system, so can't feel pain. Why choose to be violent when you can be kind? Be kind, be vegan
1 like@Happy Cats I just explained and you’re basically saying the same thing, and your ignoring my previous argument. So gonna answer or you gonna say “cHoOse tO bE vEgAn be kInD”. 🗿
0 likes@ringwormboy15 I also explained but you're not understanding. At the end of the day, you can choose to be cruel, or you can choose to be kind. Be kind, be vegan
1 like@Happy Cats You did not counter or explain my argument, what do you want for the animals? Freedom? You want domesticated animals to go into land they’ve never been to? That would mess up ecosystems, and they’d most likely get folded backsavage by a predator.
0 likesAlso, eating meat does not make you a horrible person. Like if I eat chicken, I’m not some godawful person who is a danger to society.
Again, plants do have receptors that sense when they are being disturbed, meaning that they do feel you disturbing them. While they do not feel pain like us, they are still sentient.
Lemme just ask this carnivore lion to stop hurting and eating other animals. You don’t diss on animals for not being vegan, so why care?
P.S: I know you gonna hit me with that “choose to be vegan be kind”. So in advance, just don’t. You’re being repetitive and not actually answering my questions:
@ringwormboy15 all your arguments are easily debunked. If you pay attention, you will understand.
1 likeAnimals are currently bred into existence. If you stop eating them, they won't be bred into existence, and therefore you won't have domestic animals in the wild
If you eat chicken, you are choosing to kill a sentient being for your taste pleasure. Why choose to be violent, and cruel when you don't have to?
Plants have no brains, and no nervous system, and therefore is not conscious and does not feel pain
Carnivore animals have no choice, and no moral agency. But you do, you can choose to be a kind and moral person. Why choose to be cruel and violent instead?
Choose to be kind, why hurt animals when you don't have to? Be vegan.
@Happy Cats Ok, but they are conscious, why else would they respond to water and the sun? Why else do they reproduce? They are living beings. Plants are also selectively bred so what’s your point.
0 likesAnimals have shown to have moral agency. There are many cases of animals helping other animals and species. If they have a brain, they can think, meaning they can make their own choices. They have evolved to suit their diet. I’m not gonna force a tiger to eat some salad. That’s just the food chain, it isn’t violent or cruel, it’s just life.
I am not choosing to kill a chicken, I just simply eat the chicken. It’s not violent or cruel, that’s just how it is. I’m not actively going out of my way to hurt a sentient being, it’s not like I folded it with a MP5.
It is true animals are being bred into existence but if we stop eating them, you’d just have a bunch of domesticated animals on the loose. Now, they would either be invasive or be driven to extinction since the traits that they were bred for would quickly diminish, leaving most livestock extinct.
And I called it in advance, I knew you would hit me with the, “choose to be kind be vegan🗿”.
I also feel like you don’t understand the definition of violence. The definition is “using or involving physical force intended to hurt, damage, or kill someone or something.” I did not go out of my way to kill livestock.
Also, by your logic, why choose to kill another sentient being (plant) and be cruel when you don’t have to. Why hurt plants when you don’t want to?
Let people eat what they want, being vegan is for self-improvement, and the betterment of livestock right? So don’t shove veganism down other people’s throat.
@ringwormboy15 Plants are not conscious, they are living things, but not conscious.
1 likeYou're not a tiger, you can very easily choose to be kind, and not eat animals
When you eat the chicken, you have chosen to kill the chicken. The blood is still in your hands
If you stop eating animals, they won't be bred into existence, the number of farm animals will reduce to almost nothing.
If you eat animals, the animals are brutally murdered for you. Go and watch slaughterhouse videos and ask yourself if that's violence or not.
Again, plants are not sentient beings. Plants don't feel pain and have no consciousness.
Why hurt sentient beings, when you don't have to?
Animals don't want to die, just like you don't want to die. Why choose to be violent and cruel when you don't have to?
Choose to be kind, be vegan.
@Happy Cats Ah so you finally realize plants are sentient, yet you still partake in eating them? You are violent, their blood is on your hands. You think they wanted to die and be eaten by someone like you? Many plants are cut down and uprooted for people like you, very interesting how you want people to be kind, but partake in genocidal tendencies yourself. Very interesting, very interesting indeed.
0 likes@Happy Cats Yes, a tiger has a brain which allows it to think. Meaning, it can choose not to eat animals, but is specifically evolved to eat other animals.
0 likesI have not chosen to kill the chicken, I did not partake in folding a chicken backsavage. That’s like saying if I was on a plane, and someone hijacked it and flew into the World Trade Center, am I responsible for the hijackers actions?
If people stopped eating animals you’d have a surplus of domesticated animals since they are no longer being killed. For example, there is only a few wild cow which aren’t really wild since they are cows that have escaped captivity or been born in the wild. If they stop breeding cows and let them free, most of them will die to an environment they’ve never been exposed to since they were genetically engineered for other purposes. I guess you are right the number of farm animals would reduce, because they would be extinct. I’m pretty sure you don’t want an entire species to die.
Plants don’t want to die, they wanna spread that good good, AKA pollen, so why you still hurting sentient beings? The street goes both ways partner.
Humans have evolved to become omnivores, so what. Completely cutting out meat is an extreme, meat is not that bad, (unless it’s red) the industry is what makes it bad. I do agree that the meat industry is cruel, and exploitable. Though, going to blame people for being violent when they aren’t and forcing veganism down their throats is pushing it. Who cares if you eat grass, plants, or shrapnel? Sharing your beliefs is great, but literally forcing people at gunpoint and guilt tripping them is not going to make people vegan. Take it easy, being a goober isn’t going to stop the meat industry, but you can still speak on it without stomping on others beliefs.
@ringwormboy15 Plants are not sentient, they are living things but not sentient. Why choose to be violent to sentient beings when you don't have to? Choose to be kind, be vegan.
0 likes@ringwormboy15 You're not a tiger, you don't have to eat animals. You can choose to be kind.
0 likesWhen you choose to eat a chicken, you are paying someone to kill the chicken for you, that's why it is violent and cruel, and you don't have to do this.
If people stopped eating animals, animals won't be bred into existence, so the number of animals will dwindle down to nothing.
Plants are not sentient beings, so they are not conscious. They don't experience pain.
Humans can live very easily on plants only. Millions of vegans around the world prove that you can be kind, you don't have to kill animals.
Choose to be kind. Why be cruel and violent when you don't have to? Be vegan.
@Happy Cats read my last paragraph and then come back, like I feel like it flew right past you 🗿🤡
0 likes@ringwormboy15 You can choose to be kind, you don't have to be violent and cruel. Choose to be kind, be vegan.
1 like@Happy Cats Lmao did you even read it 🗿👍
0 likes@ringwormboy15 at the end of the day, you can choose to be kind. Why hurt animals when you don't have to? Be kind, be vegan
1 like@ringwormboy15 if you could live a happy and healthy life without harming others, why wouldn't you? Choose to be kind, be vegan
1 like@Happy Cats so did you read it or you gonna be a goober 🗿
0 likes@ringwormboy15 Of course I read it, but you have to understand, why choose to be violent, when you can be kind? Why choose to be cruel to animals? Choose to be kind, be vegan.
1 like@ringwormboy15 Animals are our friends, why be violent and cruel when you can be kind? Choose to be kind, be vegan
1 like@ringwormboy15 Animals are our friends. If you could live happy and healthy lives without harming others, why wouldn't you? Choose to be kind, be vegan!
1 like@Happy Cats so like do you have a copy and paste of this lmao 🤣
0 likes@ringwormboy15 I've already addressed all your queries. At the end of the day, you have a choice. You can choose violence and cruelty, or you can choose to be kind. Be kind, Be vegan
1 like@Happy Cats dawg I lowkey said read the last paragraph, so thoughts mr.repetitive? 🗿
0 likes@ringwormboy15 here's my thoughts, regardless of all that, you have a choice. Your choices are to be cruel, or to be kind. Why not choose to be kind? Be kind, be vegan
1 like@ringwormboy15 why choose violence and cruelty? Choose to be kind, be vegan 💚
1 like@Happy Cats so from your response, I have come to the conclusion you don’t understand 🤣🤡🗿🐄🥛🐟
0 likes@ringwormboy15 sure I do understand, your misunderstanding is quite common among non vegans. Which is why it's better to think about it as a choice to be cruel or to be kind. Choose to be kind, be vegan 💚
1 like@Happy Cats Nah I don’t think my point is ever going to cross your mind, you probably don’t even have a response, or didn’t even read it. Might as well not argue with you anymore.
0 likesJust to let you know your attitude is not convincing people to be vegan, like I might have seriously considered being vegan until I came across you. Guilt-Tripping and blaming people for what they didn’t do isn’t how you convince people.
If this what vegans are like, I’m outta here.
@ringwormboy15 Your responses are very common non vegan responses, I think internally you do feel guilty for hurting animals. I really don't think you see no difference between plants and animals. Why choose to hurt animals when you can be kind? Choose to be kind, be vegan.
1 like@ringwormboy15 If you could live a happy and healthy life without harming anyone, why wouldn't you?
1 likeWe could agree on the above right?
I'm sure you want to be a kind person. Why choose cruelty and violence when you don't have to? Be kind, be vegan.
@Happy Cats I think you just proved my point
0 likes@ringwormboy15 proved what point? I'm sure we can at least agree that if we can avoid harming others we should right? And if we can live kindly, then we should? Why choose to be cruel, when you can be kind? Be kind Be vegan.
1 like@Happy Cats lmao goteem
0 likesYou proved my point twice in a row
@ringwormboy15 Every single day you have a choice. Why choose to hurt animals when you don't have to? Why choose violence and cruelty? Be kind, be vegan
1 like@Happy Cats triple threat check ✅
0 likesLet’s see if you can restate the same statement and prove my point at the same time for the 4th time
@ringwormboy15 why would want to hurt animals when you don't have to? Why choose violence and cruelty? Choose to be kind, Be vegan.
1 like@Happy Cats quadruple ez ✅ when’s the quintuple?
0 likes@ringwormboy15 answer me this: why choose violence and cruelty, when you can choose to be kind?
1 like@Happy Cats Yessir we got the quintuple, gonna hit me with the sixtuple and prove my point again? 🤣
0 likes@ringwormboy15 looks like you don't want to answer my question. You know you can justify choosing violence and cruelty over being kind. Be kind, be vegan
1 like@Happy Cats my fault, late but nah bro what if I don’t wanna be vegan no twizzy
1 like@ringwormboy15 why choose to kill animals when you can choose to be kind? Choose to be kind, be vegan.
1 like@Happy Cats dawg it’s a personal choice
0 likes@ringwormboy15 yes your personal choice is to be cruel and kill animals.
0 likesHe’s saying we would eat people who are almost human if we could. It’s not like we eat every animal who eats dogs and elephants
0 likesJidion loves God dubs for him ❤️✝️
1 likeFUCKING HILARIOUS 🤣🤣🤣🤣
0 likesThe bible does not justify slavery, it does mention slavery because at the time the bible was written slavery was common, and the person in the bible that addresses slavery says that God says anyone who harms a slave should set him free, and that you should respect and treat a slave equal. Also, it says in the bible that god freed thousands of people from slavery. So, no the bible doesn't support slavery
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Mark Wilson just look at the evidence in the world that supports what the bible says, im not telling you to take my word for it.
0 likes6:55 yessir JIDION respect 📈📈
0 likesIt’s my last day of summer and all I did all day was binge watch JiDion videos.
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My videos are similar style to Jidion, I’m a New Youtuber and tryna hit my dream of 5k 🔥
0 likesgood luck going back to school. tomorrow is my last day, and id do the same but I've already seen them all. I'm dreading going back so much.
0 likesDiscussion was nice and all but feel like there wasnt a really an proper acknowledgment about going to a vegan restaurant and cooking meat is just wrong. People have the right to different beliefs and safe spaces to practice those beliefs if they’re not harmful
1 likeI see where you're coming from JiDion. Two things hypothetical can be as extreme as you want, it's used to point out contradictions in aspects of your moral framework, 2nd would you be alright with mass slaughter of dogs (which isn't even unrealistic in China for example) because god says it's alright to eat animals?
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dogs coevolved with humans, as hunting partners and protection. it's to be expected that humans have a closer bond with dogs than other animals.
0 likes@Jake Exactly right. It's also expected that people share strong bonds with theri own race and have some inherent level of racism. The question may then become whether we think these prejudices should govern our morals to the extent where we cause mass suffering to other individuals for some pleasure and/or convenience. I feel veganism is overdetermined in most people's values
0 likesYou are not DaBaby, you are DaDaddy
0 likesVegan guy was speaking facts about the bible
0 likesIt’s like going into a feminist restaurant and being a man
0 likesI liked how they talked it out. Respect.
3 likesAnimals are LITERALLY alive for our consumption
0 likesanimals literally kill other animals it’s the food chain😂
0 likesWait the vegan guy had headphones which has leather on it???
0 likesWhat if the cow or pig was already dead? Does that make it a bad thing if it’s already died without you killing it?
0 likes‘’Animals are getting shoot in the head’’ didn’t know they had cow hostages
0 likesbruh why is JiDion lowkey smart he has the fastest comebacks and he can win any argument
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Nobody won
6 likes@AML academy nah jidion won even tho they were kinda being friendly he was able to fight everything the vegan dude said
8 likesThere is literally no winnable argument against veganism. Just look at Joey Carbstrongs youtube channel of hundreds of debates. 99.9% of people are against animal abuse and uncessary killing. As long as you believe this and are still not vegan than you are a hypocrit.
6 likesYou really think he won?
3 likesWhen you realize in nature animals slaughter each other in order to survive 😮
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Right without it there might just be a crap ton of animals all over the place but they it should be done as humane as possible.
1 likeI find it weird how people always forget to say that for millions of years and evolution it was normal for carnivores and omnivores to eat each other and survive by doing that. Aninals eat other animals constantly, and since humans and types of monkey evolves basically from the same ancestor, aren't we a type of animal as well?
0 likesDo they realize that plants are technically living life forms too. They tryna make you eat air or sum😂😂😂
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Animals kill animals what do we do cancel those animals and tell them to become vegan?
0 likesJidion’s argument was terrible.
0 likesi watched this entire video eating peperoni pizza and wings
0 likesJidion is actually really good at debating
10 likesThis guy had really smart points
0 likesAlso, they don't shoot them in the head that would cost way to much, and there death is painless.
0 likesShould’ve said I’m cookin Tyrone
1 likeI'm not vegan and not going vegan but the vegan her has a point when he says the Bible was written thousands of year's ago because now God sent hi son to sacrifice himself for our sins so now we don't have to sacrifice a lamb
0 likes"nah i just wanna be on my gordon ramsay shit"
0 likesYk I actually thought JiDion was gonna mess around during the pod cast and just crack jokes and keep it cool, then it ended up getting pretty serious and a discussion went down.
14 likesYou barely even let the man speak Jidion. That wasn't really a conversation as much as it was a rant.
0 likesSteak is soooooo good ❤️
0 likesAtleast the man said no to his women moaning about doing it the next day.
0 likesI was 8 when I skinned my first deer I ate it and it was so good and I still skin animals
0 likesRule 1 of the Universe:
0 likesIn order for something to live, something else has to die.
Crazy how far you’ve come man 😭, ogs, this is our moment!
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Yuhhh the road to 500k is crushed and so is the 1mil one 😂
2 likesFound this GOAT at 900 subs lol
1 likeFor Vegans they sure are filled with Beef!🙏
0 likesI'm not a vegan but I will say this. A ton of people grew up in a religious household and we were told "Animals have no souls".. these same people grew out of the religion but decided to keep that belief that animals have no souls.. the truth is the animals are just less intelligent, but they still feel pain/suffer and even tho I do eat meat (and i have tried going off it, and it resulted in me feeling very ill) I do hate the idea of slaughter houses and what happens to these poor animals.
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U can be perfectly healthy without eating any animals. U just need to have a well planed diet. Make sure u get all the different plants u need to reach all nutrients needed. Also any major change to your diet takes time for your gut bacteria to adjust.
1 like@Veganix enjoy your supplements
0 likesHe went hard
0 likesJiDion destroyed him
0 likesYo call up that vegan teacher she gon hate you
0 likes"the Bible supports slavery" pretends to ignore the fact that Moses freed thousands Israelite slaves from the Egyptians
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The Bible literally states that you’re allowed to buy slaves and beat them to near death. It also gives clear instruction on how to beat a slave. One guy freeing slaves doesn’t erase the fact that Jesus supported it.
104 likes@yuh yuh Bible verse where Jesus supports slavery? Also you know their are different meanings to the word slavery and slave in Hebrew 😂😂😂
234 likes@yuh yuh lets see some quotes from the bible than
67 likes@yuh yuh i think you are confused Jesus was in heaven when slavery was happening. When he came to earth and died and rose from the death for everyone’s sin. That’s when people got mad because sin, is the only thing that can legally let people do whatever they want. That’s why the apostles got hunted down, because they were spreading the truth. Sin nowadays is a choice, back then (Old Testament) you couldn’t be holy unless God called you or your people to live in holiness.
54 likes@yuh yuh POV: you try to argue about the bible but know little more then a few Inaccurate TikTok videos
97 likesyuh yuh what verse lmao
10 likes@yuh yuh proof?
10 likes@yuh yuh you do know that was the Old Testament? That’s why Jesus came in the first place to replace the ways of the old testament and the laws in it. Not only that, but it wasnt like the slavery we saw in America they were more like indentured servants. Not justifying it but y’all can’t judge how things are back then when those are things are which were deemed as normal and based on class. whereas slavery in America was based purely on racism and prejudice.
41 likes@A very very very specific name Why does god need to correct himself isnt he perfect?
8 likes@Carbon000 lol he didn’t correct himself he corrected the world and how it was. Don’t ask me any questions you aren’t gonna believe no matter what answer I give you because you’re wasting both of our time. Ask him maybe you’ll get a clearer answer?
26 likesnot supports justifies lol, slave owners used that bible verse to justify slavery as homophobic people do now to justify it with their religion. nothing has changed.
9 likes@yuh yuh lmfao what are you even saying. Please show me a verse for any of this. Thanks.
5 likes@yuh yuh The slavery in the Bible was not based exclusively on race. People were not enslaved because of their nationality or the color of their skin. In Bible times, slavery was based more on economics; it was a matter of social status. People sold themselves as slaves when they could not pay their debts or provide for their families. In New Testament times, sometimes doctors, lawyers, and even politicians were slaves of someone else. Some people actually chose to be slaves so as to have all their needs provided for by their masters.
11 likes@Matt Diaz Exodus 21:20-21 “Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, 21 but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property.” I’m assuming the social structure during ancient Israel allowed physical punishment and was seen as an appropriate punishment for disobedience. But to me this sounds a bit harsh; since the Master can beat their slave nearly to death and not be held accountable. Also, i feel like this would incite slave holders to continue physical abuse, which in my eyes most physical punishment/altercation (unless in self defense or for sport like MMA, Boxing, ect), especially when done out of anger, is sinful. Idk though, I’d love to hear your interpretation of this text; since I’m not extremely knowledgeable about the Bible.
5 likes@Sheeesh 5.0hhh if someone was beaten "near death" they wouldn't be able to recover and perform their duties in just 2 days. And by your interpretation of how most punishment is carried out, being out of "anger" or of sinful desires, would that standard go the same for parents of children? As they are also instructed to not "spare the rod of punishment." (Prov 13:24)
10 likes@yuh yuh where in the duck does it say that please quote somewhere in the Bible I will bet $1000000 that they ain’t 1 dam quote
1 like@Matt Diaz that’s a good point and I was taking it into consideration when reading this text; about the recovery time of 1 or 2 days. Also yea, I’m not a parent but I’d never raise my hands on my child (there are other better means of disciplinary actions that don’t involve physical punishment), but I have raised my hand out of anger against my brother once or twice in my life and I was regretful about it afterwards; so I am a sinner in that sense but iv learned from my mistakes to not let my emotions get the best of me. Overall, your reply mostly cleared my confusion about this text so I thank you for that!
3 likes@Sheeesh 5.0hhh ofc man! good to hear that you got some clarity from my response.
9 likesYeah fuck that biblical shit
0 likes@Matt Diaz based 👌
4 likes@yuh yuh when did jesus ever???
0 likesfr
0 likes@yuh yuh That's not what God says, my dude, that was a paraphasia of the law of those ppl. it's not saying it's right or wrong, it's mentioning the law. It's not God's law.
1 likeNot to mention slavery in the time that the Bible was talking about wasn't an EVIL thing. When the Bible mentioned slavery it was talking about servants, and saying how to treat your servants. Definitely was not talking about european level slavery where they raped men women and children and was insanely unjust. Which is why Moses freed the slaves who were being treated unjust. If the Bible glorified that kind of slavery then there would have been no point for Moses to have freed the slaves
14 likes@Optimus Premium11 true
0 likesJesus loves y’all.
3 likes@yuh yuh Jesus never supported it and it also says in the Bible to not buy or sell humans. I see why you think slavery is not a sin but in the Bible it's talking about people that need to pay off debt and work for someone and they should be in peace not beating them
2 likes@Carbon000 God didn’t write the Old Testament, like the guy below you said, he corrected the world.
0 likes@yuh yuh the bible’s been changed to fit the roman’s views tho.. i’m like 99% positive it wouldnt have said that before the bible got changed cus even the quran aint bout that slavery shit
1 likeHe’s white he doesnt know
0 likes@yuh yuh proof?
0 likes@Sheeesh 5.0hhh what bible version is that? because the one my religion uses is king james bible and i dont remember seeing that there. could be wrong tho
0 likes@yuh yuh where does it explain I want the exzact book or verse
0 likes@Peeb slaves had heavily edited bibles because the Bible’s message is about redemption and freedom. If slaves learned about Moses they would’ve rebelled even sooner.
1 likeAlso it’s not homophobic to think homosexuality is immoral. We don’t hate people because they’re different.
@islu! Ephesians 6:5-8 Paul states, “Slaves, be obedient to your human masters with fear and trembling, in sincerity of heart, as to Christ” which is Paul instructing slaves to obey their master." I'm also kind of christian btw.
0 likes@Peeb Look up the etymology of the word slave in the Greek. It’s not chattel slavery like what we had in America. It’s indentured servitude. People often sold themselves into slavery to pay off debts.
2 likesExodus 21:16
“Whoever steals a man and sells him, and anyone found in possession of him, shall be put to death.”
1 Timothy 1:8-10
“Now we know that the law is good, if one uses it lawfully, understanding this, that the law is not laid down for the just but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who strike their fathers and mothers, for murderers, the sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, *enslavers*, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine.”
Chattel slavery is condemned.
Also you can’t be kind of a Christian. It’s either you are, or you aren’t. You can’t kinda be saved. It’s black or white.
none of that changes the fact that american slave owners still used it to justify slavery. also "kind of Christian" as in open to the idea of a deity or higher power existing, but there is more than likely not to be disrespectful or anything.
0 likes@Peeb Slave owners literally created a separate “bible” that was missing half of the text. You can’t blame that on the Bible. That’s just the slave holders being evil.
2 likes@islu! bro but the verse i reffered to is in the actual bible
0 likes@Peeb Work on your reading comprehension bro
2 likes@islu! i read all your shit perfectly but the verse I referred to was used to justify slavery as bible verses are used now to justify prejudice against gay people.
0 likes@islu! Then why do you hate gays
0 likes@Patrick Basedman i don’t
0 likesyup, and it's really talking about "servants" not slaves. people who had debts they couldn't pay off had the option to become a servant to pay it instead.
0 likes@yuh yuh You are probably getting the Quran mixed with the bible, Jesus came to set slaves of many kind free.
0 likes@Peeb you are honestly disingenuous just because a protestant hebrew uses the bible to justify slavery doesnt mean the true church and her teachers are flawed you are not a christian at all your an evangelical or protestant who separated from the one true Orthodox church no one here should care for their interpretations of verses even if your interpretation is 99.99 percent correct the church fathers interpretation will always be superior to what you think.
0 likes@Yurzys Ephesians 6:5-8 Paul states, “Slaves, be obedient to your human masters with fear and trembling, in sincerity of heart, as to Christ” which is Paul instructing slaves to obey their master. This is one of the ones supporting slaver. dude said jesus supported it and that’s not true, but their are verses in the Bible in support of slavery. These verses were used in the antebellum US to get black people to be subservient to their white slave owners. So yes their are verses in the Bible used to support slavery, and there are also verses condemning it. Such is the contradictory nature of the holly book.
0 likesHe freed Jewish slaves and only Jewish slaves. Because Jews wee Yahweys chosen people. The non Jewish slaves Moses could care less about.
0 likes@Ramiro Esparza Read the bible Jesus came to unite both Jews and Gentiles. Today's Jewish people are not the same Jewish people of Mose's days that is for sure, for one they never had a big skin cancer problem back then.
2 likes@yuh yuh chapter?
0 likesI'm like 666 😈
0 likes@Gggfightklub no slaves was something completely different there were different types such as bond servants debtors
0 likes@Yurzys thank you, someone actually knows
0 likeswhile bible has a lot of questionable things slavery isnt one fo them
0 likes@yuh yuh boi when did it say that 😂😂😂
0 likes@yuh yuh "slavery" back then isn't the slavery you're thinking of. They were employees. Back then they called employees slaves. You would also be considered a slave if you had to work for someone to pay them back for debt
1 like@yuh yuh You need help bruh
1 like@yuh yuh that’s a different Slavery not the slavery Whites did to the blacks 🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️
1 like@LegionOfGod Black individuals were also slaves to each other, along with Asians, white individuals, etc.
0 likes@yuh yuh no it doesn’t what bible are you reading
0 likesDon’t even try to defend the Bible lol. There are plenty more examples of how ducked up it is.
1 like@Fresh Choice like
0 likes@LegionOfGod Google it - it’s all online to research and study 👍🏼 The Bible is amazing, but it’s a piece of historical literature and art and nothing more. It’s pretty f’d up in a lot of parts too. But it makes sense - it was written super long ago. Times have changed.
1 like@LegionOfGod David Smith gives no examples lol
0 likes@yuh yuh please cite where you think Jesus said that for me.
0 likes@A very very very specific name
0 likesSo god messed up initially, got it 👍
@Yurzys
0 likesThe Christian Mythos was written by a fictional deity via ghost writers though? Anything told through there by virtue is being told the the Jehovah character.
Iirc, Jesus is supposed to be said deity itself, though not all fans interrupt the lore the same.
It says in the גמרה that you cant hurt a slave, but you could have one as long as you treat the slave in a humane way
1 like@yuh yuh and also moses isnt just a “guy” hes a very special persom
0 likesIt’s all fake anyways
0 likes@yuh yuh that’s a damn lie, the Bible never encourages you to literally BEAT A SLAVE TO DEATH, the Bible Doesn’t condemns slavery but it didn’t outright say it was wrong either, slaves master were to treat their slaves with compassion and respect, and the slaves to their master as well. It is also important to note that majority of slaves back then were slaves because they owed someone something and couldn’t pay the price, so now they work their time.
0 likesBoth of them are a W
0 likesMeat always be bussin 🤤
0 likesJiDion lost this debate
2 likesCan confirm, you don’t get PTSD from slicing up animals. My family has been doing it for like 3 generations and they are all fine.
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Anecdotal evidence doesnt change the fact that a large amount of ex / slaughterhouse workers get ptsd thats just a fact..
0 likeshttps://youtu.be/hXmB9zsAQ_E
0 likes“animals get shot and throats slit everyday”
1 likeHe repeats it thinking that we, normal people, give a shit LMAOO
I'm sorry guy but we on top, that's their purpose for us. They give us pleasure and substinence.
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With your logic you could justify slavery lol.
0 likes@Andre C. nope :) no other human is less than another human.
0 likesOther species are to be consumed
David seems like a good guy I'm lowkey going to subscribe
11 likesWatching this makes me sad I live on a Cow farm but no all animals are aboused we let them die naturally then take the meat of them after they are treated very well
0 likesWhy should u trust God👑?
129 likes•He knows u by name
•He will fight for u
•He thinks abt u
•He has plans for u
•He will never leave ur side
Amen💕✨
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Amen✝️💛🙏🏽
8 likesGods fake
6 likes@Jack Bashed Praying for you✝️💛🙏🏽
10 likesAmen
4 likes@Jack Bashed found the redditor
1 likeAmen
4 likesCan he carry in a snd lobby
3 likesI don't have faith in anything. You earn trust w me and anybody's who's got a brain.
2 likes@UZSUOL found the redditor… again.
1 likeHow u kno he’s actually real?
0 likes@Dyringatory Religion is indoctrinated. I understand why you think that way and feel the need to call everyone with a different belief other than yours a redditor. Such a weak attempt to shut down further discussion. How bout puttin your brain where your mouth is and tell me and all the other "redditors" what gives YOU "enough" reason to believe in such a thing. For me personally I dont just simply believe in everything I'm told because everything I'm told is potentially compromised. I know absolutely nothing of god or any religion for that matter other then what other people have told me and people are just such an inaccurate source unless you have some sort of irrefutable proof. Literally no difference between santa clause and God. Blind faith.
6 likes@UZSUOL LOL saunter back to reddit and scroll on r/dankmemes and r/atheist to give Le Funny Memes™️ updoots
1 like@Dyringatory ggez. That’s exactly what I thought.
5 likes@Slumpyjosh Tv Did u really pray for him?
0 likesThen why did my house burn down and my nephew died and now I live in a shitty RV depressed as fuck and think about suicide every single day? Fuck god, aint fuckin real smh
0 likes@Dyringatory more and more people are becoming less religious. Religion is out the door. Good riddance.
4 likes@UZSUOL lol yeah okay. what, have you not had your fix of wholesome 100 keanu chungus cyberpunk 2077 minecraft memes yet?
0 likes@Dee Znauts that’s something i cannot argue with. gen z (me included — i’m agnostic myself) are WAY less religious than say,
0 likesbaby boomers or the silent generation
Thats all in ur imagination
0 likes@Ajani lynx23 God bless you 🙏🏽❤️
0 likesAmen 🙏
1 like@UZSUOL you cant live life without faith in something and if u have faith in nothing then u aint going no where i life and thats a fact
0 likes•Kanye
0 likesn o he isn't even real
0 likesWhich god is it now? The who called the bombings or the one who told to be a phedo?
0 likes@Kase God is real to most because of confirmation bias. If something good happens, it must be God. If something bad happens, it must be your fault or part of your journey.
0 likesHe said ptsd like it’s a butcher not a murderer
0 likesno cap jidion got cooked in this debate
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cap
0 likesIt just tastes too good tho
1 likeNgl he destroyed him when he brought up the religion part with the sacrificial lamb, the guy had no answer back to that lmaooo
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His comeback was literally that the Bible should be modernized lmao.
21 likes@CLIT DESTROYER Yeah out of the entire thing “The Bible says so” was the worst argument that someone could bring up. It’s literally one of the most ridiculous ways to counter an argument, I’m not saying this because I’m vegan (I’m not) nor am I an atheist either. It’s just one of the stupidest things one could say during a discussion based on morality.
11 likes@CLIT DESTROYER not fully, his argument to that point was that the Bible should be modernized, Jidion got him when he contradicted himself when he said that the Bible shouldn't be modernized, despite that being his argument. Other than that, good point by the vegan guy.
2 likes@pli wer Vegan dude was just trying his best to be respectful of a religion he doesn’t believe in. He criticizes it internally but can’t actually say that he thinks the Bible is stupid because he’ll be bashed for it.
4 likes@Hansel Carmona lol no he wouldn't be bashed for it
1 likeOof
0 likes@Hansel Carmona yeah, would lead to a different argument they were trying to avoid.
1 likeBad argument, the dudes counter argument was actually valid because Christians don’t have to sacrifice lambs anymore after Jesus died for our sins (the ultimate sacrifice); he should’ve used Islam since it’s meant to be taken more literally.
5 likes@C "The Bible says so" actually isn't a bad point when having a discussion based on morality tho. You can see where most peoples socially constructed "morals" come from when you take a look into the Bible.
0 likes@C it is a commandments from the most high god himself though so vegans are automatically in the wrong.
2 likes@Juhuurd True but on that same note what does that say about someone when they base their moral compass on a book entailed with erratic decisions in favor of a god.
2 likesIf someone killed their son now and said “god told me to” then best case scenario they would be sent to a mental facility. “The Bible say so” argument falls flat when you don’t actually follow what the Bible says.
David Salinas “Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you.” You gunna eat me too? lol. That’s literally my point, every intelligent Christian knows everything isn’t supposed to be taken literally and doesn’t translate 1:1 to current times.
2 likes@C many people’s morales are based on the Bible tho
0 likesI hate when vegans be like "you're killing living things" but they're also killing small bugs and bees and PLANTS just to satisfy their own selfish morals. Not all vegans are like that though my baby sister is just not a fan of meat she doesnt like it. Not because animals were harmed but she just never liked meat.
1 likeIs he aware that farms and cities are devastating animals home as a subjective fact?
0 likesI checked his channel, he is turning green from no meat
0 likes7:23 on this it’s not talking about “slavery” in the sense we know it as today it was closer to indentured servitude, and slaves were to be given homes and treated properly, the verse most commonly taken out of context is context Deuteronomy 15:17, which talks about the process of if a slave wanted to stay with their master because they treated them well
0 likesBro is the most passive aggressive person in the world
0 likes“Animals get shot in their head and their throats slit for food” but in the wild they’re eaten alive, poisoned, drowned, the list goes on, all for food, it’s the food chain, not everyone has to participate in it but there’s no reason to act like it’s such a terrible act when some people have to do it or they won’t survive.
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Yep especially up the north when u can’t really grow herbs in some cold ass areas. U really need meat for protein to survive the cold when before colonization came so I understand they kill pigs for food cuz we over populated af but again I understand the vegans side too cuz i love animals, but when things are desperate for survival u have too. Like the old ancient native american way
2 likesIf he hates them slit or shot on the head then what's the least painful way to kill them then? Poisoned? Drowned?
1 like@o3o cut their heads off
0 likesTo be honest I'd rather be quickly shot in the head and eaten then be ravagely devoured alive by a pack of wolves.
1 likeNot a vegan but wild animals aren't held captive nor do they live just for us to eat them after living in terrible conditions. What some people see as immoral about eating meat is the mass production of conscious beings. I don't really care about the animals themselves but climate change is what worries me the most.
1 like@Aikuisviihteen arkkipiispa animals do not get there throat slit😂 lmfao and when they are shot in the head it’s something called an air gun or something. no bullet goes in their head it’s just a lot of pressure and one spot. it isnt a painful death it is instant
1 like@DeeVuitton if you've ever seen how they kill pigs in Brazil for example, you'd know that it's far from a painless quick death but that's not how it is in every country obviously.
0 likes@Aikuisviihteen arkkipiispa the people in this video and most people watching are from the us. ig its not as cruel to me bc im from alabama
0 likesYeah but these animals are bred and genetically modified for the purpose of death. The meat industry raises animals in terrible conditions and then slaughter them to be eaten. And it’s done in small land mass with a large mass of animals. It’s fucked up, not natural at all.
1 likeplaying devils advocate I think the point of being vegan is improving the quality of life of animals by allowing them to live free before they die, not to stop them dying cause that’s gonna happen either way. if you have seen chicken farms that shit is brutal
0 likesHow can there be a youtuber or whatever whos entire gimmick is being a vegan? Like what does he talk about on stream for hours, vegetables?
0 likesI kinda get Davids point. The bible was written in a time where overconsumption didn't exist and eating meat was something really special. You don't have to stop eating it but at least be conscious about it.
0 likesFiring up the grill as he speaks...
1 likeIk what he meant by the animals dying isn’t a belief but being vegan is a belief because they believe that animals shouldn’t be killed but the video was pretty good
0 likesDamn he really cooked you with the lil Nas x to da baby
0 likesjidion didnt make any points just said we both have opinions, like well done so profound
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he did when he reacted to it on stream lol
5 likesThe vegan guy had decent points. However, JiDion couldve said something like “in nature, carnivores and omnivores eat meat. Nothing unnatural about eating meat”
7 likes@Steve I’m not even a vegan or vegitarian but I think most people don’t question if it’s natural or not. just that mass production of cattle etc is bad for the environment and the way in which they’re treated is morally wrong. So that wouldn’t have been a great response either ngl
6 likes@T EK ABSOLUTELY. Vegans need to be more vocal about this. The agricultural industry is horrible for the environment as its not only unsustainable and uses up too much freshwater, but its the primary contributor to climate change. Vegans need to be more vocal about this.
3 likesJiDion just could have at least tried putting up a better argument.
@T EK I never hear vegans say that when arguing with ppl and it’s disappointing honestly. Im not vegan myself but i do limit how much steak and shit ill buy and stick to mostly eggs and chicken, as well as shopping locally. Usually vegans try doing it for “animal rights” like the guy in the vid said, which tbh is not a great point when we naturally eat meat. Their living conditions are definitely controversial, but they are also killed instantly, a painless death, when using certain methods. Its the methods by which we produce and transport meat, especially beef, thats an issue.
1 like@Steve you’re using an appeal to nature fallacy, this is the idea that what’s is natural is therefore “good. Hurricanes are natural but they aren’t then good for for us. Also rape is natural, violence is natural, other animals eat their young to avoid competition etc. So again something being “natural” has no relevance to what is good or moral. So that’s argument doesn’t hold up or else’s you must agree that any “natural” event or action is therefore good. Which you don’t agree with so…. Try again 👎💚
0 likes@17x Reborn you don’t need to kill animals, just because an action will always happen doesn’t make it moral to participate in that action. Being smarter than someone isn’t a justification To violate their autonomy (this is ableism). Being vegan isn’t more expensive if you stick to grains, legumes such as lentils beans, chickpeas. Oats, apples, bananas, lettuce, tomatoes, cucumbers, radishes, sweetcorn, pasta, bread, berries etc.
0 likesWell he's 19 gotta give him some time
0 likes@JustRoberto thats more speciesism then ableism if we’re talking about a cow. And we all sort of commit speciesism all the time as most of us believe human life is more valuable literally because we’re smarter. My point is speciesism is very complicated because then bugs and life of that nature come into the argument and in a way you’ll almost always be human-centric
0 likes@JustRoberto not to mention your also killing plants and using them for food which is also life and you technically violate plants because they dont have a nervous system(while some animals like sponges dont have one either) so again we go back to speciesism. I agree slaughter houses are to much but at the same time what is “humane”
0 likes@Saiology if we’re using “intelligence” as a metric for moral worth then that’s undoubtedly ableism. Claiming to believe human life is worth more doesn’t automatically mean that other animals are then worth nothing and it’s okay to rob their existence and exploit them…
0 likes@Saiology yeh so if you value plants it still makes sense to be vegan as to reduce overall harm as we use more plants when we also exploit animals… I really don’t know what you’re trying to conclude? If you had to choose between a bean chilli or kill a cow for a beef chilli what’s the most ethical option?
0 likesThis vegan dude is trippin
0 likesHe is obviously saying your religion is outdated
I am a believer as well and that dude is not understanding your side of the argument 😂
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Think about the second amendment, a lot of people it’s outdated because how “different” times were there’s always going to be one side that believes a way, then the other side that believes the opposite. No point of waisting time, when no one is wrong or right because what is real is just what someone we have never known said it was right.
0 likesYou know what, if you get ptsd from cutting up an animal that's pretty sad. Its pretty gruesome I'm ngl but if you kill the animal before hand and then dress it and skin it its really not that bad. I was pretty young the first time I saw someone do it and it was a bit gross and horrific at first but whenever you realize that its giving you food and nourishment it makes you feel better about it. I think the way people mass produce livestock and have them in poor living conditions is wrong but at the same time meat is very nutritious and has a lot of benefits. If humans weren't meant to eat meat then why were we given the ability to. I mean most meats you can eat raw. I think a lot of animal rights activists just dont use there brain tbh.
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The thing about being vegan I don't think it helps anything because animals kill each other everyday, except in a way more gruesome fashion
1 likeHes so vegan his eyes sunken into his skull
0 likesI mean the slavery that the Bible talks about is not the same as slavery that was experienced in early America. In the Bible slavery was for people who had been in debt and they work to repay their debt. Once the date was repaid or seven years of their service had passed they were free to go. There’s other types of slavery mentioned in the Bible, but those were not justified.
0 likesWHO suffers with PTSD and anxiety😂
0 likes1:38 Bro just randomly hugged a grandma. Shit wholesome lmao 💀💀
25 likesAnimals literally kill each other in cruller ways😭
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I just finished watching a video of a lion eating a pigs intestines while it was still alive, why in the world would y’all vegans prefer that over what we do?
3 likesThe slaughter process has two stages: Stunning, when performed correctly, causes an animal to lose consciousness, so the animal can't feel pain.
0 likesBro jidion lokey destroyed this guy in an arguement wtf
0 likesThe thing is, is that animals of all kind are meant to die, life is a continuous cycle of life and death. Its the circle of life, the predators feed on the prey, the strong feed on the weak. Its just how nature works.
0 likesMan acting like he called a hit man on the cow
0 likesVegan: tells the truth
25 likesNon Vegans: how dare you, how extreme are you?
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Okay
0 likesVegan: protests in mcdonalds*
5 likesnormal human: eats food in a certain restaurant*
Vegan: "WHAT NOO HOW DARE YOU ANIMALS DURR FEELINGS DUUUR"
Girl what?
0 likes@Cook Iez I’m sure you’d feel different if those animals were cats and dogs
0 likesYeah cuz he dissed his opinion, but when you diss the opinion of a vegan it's not okay..?
1 like@Mciwiviwjvw yeah because they're pets not food
1 like@Isaiah ' Depends which opinion the vegan holds
0 likes@Cook Iez do you understand the vegan position?
0 likes@bvnny exactly
0 likes@SansUnderfail whos to say they are not food? Cook kittens and barbecue dogs
0 likes@[-0LT'U Iiii307n Bruhhh stop making me hungry 😭🤤
1 likeI'm not vegan by any stretch, and I don't care if they don't eat meat.
0 likesThe problem is when they start getting aggressive over your choices or gatekeeping veganism by knowing what is and isn't vegan and starting arguments with others over it or trying to force it on others.
I doubt any meat eater is happy with the concept of an animal being poorly treated and in inhumane conditions, then made to suffer in their final moments. Sure having to kill animals to get meat sucks but it's something we've done since humans walked the Earth.
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Preston W Are you actually trying to compare something that is primal in hundreds of different species with slavery that's only occurred in one?
0 likesGreat logic.
What a debate…. 👏👏👏 vegan had very lacking arguments
0 likesUsually vegans do not have leather products (zooms in on headset he’s wearing)
0 likesif he believes in veganism and that he's protecting animals, good for him, but he shouldn't go around and push that onto others and claim his beliefs are factual and others are outdated or simply not :/
0 likesThe dababy hate is to real
0 likesJidion uploading instantly makes my day
24 likesBruh Jidions camera is 480p quality and that only makes it better
0 likesA great debate I saw with a vegan was that would they feed their cat or dog meat as that’s what the pet needs biologically as a carnivore and the vegan said yes because it’s animal cruelty if they didn’t feed the carnivore meat soooo the vegan would buy meat for their pet but be mad at a human who wants to eat meat as it’s in our human instinct/evolution to eat meat 😊
0 likesIt is really simple actually. Food chain. Humans are just the top of the food chain.
1 likeEven if everyone did go vegan it wouldn’t be sustainable and it would cause a work market crash since economies kind of rely on food markets since it’s such a big part of its society
0 likesIts a little thing called the circle of life
0 likesThe other guy makes me want to try more vegan options. Jidion was respectful but I don’t think he understands veganism isn’t a religion. There have been countless videos and document put out regarding the cruel and unusual treatment of animals in these slaughter houses. Many were closed down and many forced to change their practices. From what I understand the point he was trying to make, veganism is a goal. Great video!
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You know plants are alive, right? They breathe, eat and adapt just like animals.
0 likes@Father Mullet damn bro you’re so clever. vegans are quaking. They haven’t heard that one before 🙄
0 likesJidion could have e caused religion and actually killed veganism with evolution and smashed his arguement.
0 likesI like how these vegans fight for animals but don't fight for baby's in the womb. Amazin'
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Nice grammar champ! Two wrongs don't make a right.
0 likesvegan man +10 points
0 likespretty ironic that he mentions we should sacrifice a lamb for the most high and by david rams logic he would be going against his religion if he didnt but then wouldn't having sex before marriage also be against your religion? but ur proud to be a raw dogger lmao, also im not vegan or david rams fan, just curious
0 likesits totally banger broooo🤣
0 likesBro, thank you for staying strong with our religion. Much love for you bro.
5 likesNot a vegan but if I were arguing for that side I would bring up the environmental impacts. Like the amount land use to grow the feed for the animals and grazing, plus water consumption, and also methane released from cows all create negative consequences for our planet.
0 likesMost of time livestock are killed in large numbers in butcheries, so nobody waste time to slip troats or waste bullets. They usually use pneumatic spikes or electricity. Trying to present simple butchers like Al-Kaeda :D
0 likeswhy is this age restricted im scared to watch it
0 likesI love animals but I’m still gonna meat every day, it’s part of the life cycle
1 likeHe was a good sport
0 likesWhen the dude brought slavery being in the bible that was the best uno reverse play I've seen, Jidion crapped after that.
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White ppls fav go to. Y’all obviously lost that one
12 likes@Michael why are you stereotyping all whites to share the same beliefs
25 likesWARNING ⚠️ JESUS COMMANDS YOU TO REPENT OR PERISH!!! YOUR SOUL IS ON THE LINE!!!!!!
6 likes@Brandon Sardinas he didn’t say all white ppl fam 😂
3 likesLol, he crapped himself when he said when he used the lamb as a sacrifice. 🤣🤣🤣Christians ain't sacrificing lambs .
3 likesThe bible doesn't promote slavery, it just talks about how it happens. It even says in the bible those who made slaves will become slaves themselves
18 likesHe said the bible promoted slavery, last time I checked God freed his people from slavery, just because slavery is mentioned doesn't mean it was supported.
20 likes@Khumo it was used to enslave. The bible has been corrupted.
4 likes@Xurs Exotic wrong…
0 likes@Raika yes it was. Search up "how to turn a negro christian" also the Hebrew Israelites who were Africans made the bible. It was stolen and changed many times over hundreds of years.
3 likes@Xurs Exotic yeah that's true because people took it and used it to their benefit (the white man). But even Jesus took the israelites out of slavery from Egypt you know
3 likes@Khumo no he did not. Are we talking about the bible jesus or the real life jesus. The irl Jesus was just a god fearing man in a time where people weren't believing in god. That's the only reason he was written as "God's son." Jesus did jack shit. The Egyptians were African in appearance too. Also fact; the African countries you see going through it are paying their debt in karma since thise were the african countries who enslaved people.
0 likes@Xurs Exotic you talk like you wrote the Bible
4 likes@Xurs Exotic and God did save the Israelites out of egypt
3 likes@Xurs Exotic ain't no way you just tried to tell me about the bible will talking about KARMA. read the comments bro you're wrong and do research
3 likes@Xurs Exotic Karma isn't in Christianity.
0 likes@Xurs Exotic that was the romansc
0 likesThe vegan guy seems better than a lot, but got a couple things wrong. Some people do go vegan for the diet, it’s not all people who don’t believe in not harming animals like he stated. Also, him saying “objective truth” is cocky and untrue
0 likesJust say that it's a natural thing, and instant W for us non vegans
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@Scoot ok vegan
0 likes@Scoot nah you cappin why would you bother even replying if ur not a vegan
0 likes@Scoot oh but I agree with your statement about it not being an instant W, but only towards intelligent vegans like the man in the video.
0 likesi see this guy's point but chicken tastes soooooo good
0 likesI don't get why you can't agree that killing animals is wrong especially now that there are other methods for food, and just cause its wrong doesn't mean you have to stop eating it. I am eating a steak right now 🤤
0 likesHe pulled out “The Bible supports slavery” bro homie don’t even know what he’s talking about 🤣
0 likesHe took it well. Sure as hell better than I would’ve 😂 By the wayy some of y’all pretty misinformed thinking you can’t have a varied, healthy plant based diet 🤨
8 likesCan't believe you cooked beef INFRONT OF HIM. Bacon is better bro
0 likesAnimals arent actually sliced in the through, they get a nice metal rod into the brain real fast and painless like. Meat stays delicious when that blood stays in em.
0 likesPTSD AND ANXIETY 😭😭😭
0 likesThat guy: “I’m an atheist.”
1 likeSame guy once a valid point is made: “the Bible promotes slavery” lol.
I'm off to go eat some lamb now
0 likesthe vegans want all the beef.
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Frl they not following the vegan guide
7 likes@Spickle lmao
3 likes😳
2 likes@FreeOrphans (I'm Him) oh shi-
1 likeMeat legit important to eat dawg
0 likesTo every vegan I just want to say this, how do you think animals die in the wild? Most of them are eaten, shot, poisoned or suffer long painful deaths to the build up of injuries. This is actually one of the better ways you can live as a animal being fed, sheltered and away from preditors till you die.
2 likesThe vegan dude is chill but most vegans are just too aggressive and intense.
0 likesI think that meat eaters (me) aren't doing any wrong because 9 times out of 10, we are not the ones killing the animal.
0 likesDude is the Australian joe goldberg
0 likesLove how he’s damn near a millionaire and starts most of his vids in Walmart hahah 🐐🐐🐐
25 likeslow key jidion is speakin fax. vegans shouldn’t be focused on the ppl who buy, when the animals are still going to get farmed & killed anyway. and obviously they’d stop farming them if they got no money, but its not going to change, you cant change all meat-meaters and just get them to stop buying meat when it’s so simple to do. just a worthless argument tbh, eat what you want and let people eat what they want. the world is still going to go round. & i love animals to death, but why even think abt it that much if it bothers you, logically speaking it isnt going to change. respect if anyone can actually change it but i doubt it.
1 likefunny thing is.. everytime i hear from a vegan i am reminded to eat meat.. if i hear nothing from vegans i forget to eat meat.
0 likesyou should do a cooking meat in vegan restaurant pt. 2
0 likesPeople need to understand that its part of our nature to eat animals because they are our prey. If we didn't then there would be an overpopulation of animals. What I think everyone can agree upon is the cruelty and mistreat of those animals is wrong.
0 likesI was smacking on some chicken while watching this
0 likesDavid is a cool guy
4 likesThe vegan is saying his opinions are not beliefs they're Truth with a capital T. That's what's wrong with the world.
0 likesAnimals are not shot in the head and as a farmer I love all my goats, pugs, and cows amd treat them as my own children.
0 likesWait until these vegans read all the studies that say plants can feel pain too. lmao
0 likesMost slaughter houses slaughter with instant death. To say they are shot in the head and then their throats are slit is true, but it’s more of an exaggeration to subtlety hint at animal torture which is not the case.
0 likesThis guy was low key a w vegan tho
0 likesjidion love the videos, just wanted to point out something about sacrificing animals as a christian we don't have to do that because Jesus paid the ultimate sacrifice for our sins so we don't have to sacrifice animals any more. and i am a meat eater lol
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and touching on to what the guy said, yes the bible agreed with slavery but the slavery back then was more like working off your debt. It’s not like they were being forced to do another’s bidding. It’s the same as going to a restaurant and not having money so you end up washing the dishes.
3 likes@Ønly Angel tht doesn’t even sound slavery tbh idk if there’s any other word for it tho
0 likes@Ønly Angel Gtfo here. Slavery was slavery back then. Don't water that sh*t down.
1 likeI think if a lot of these vegans should talk more about the environmental aspects of not having meat. And not just the constant back and fourth talking about morals.
0 likesOk so he is right about modernizing some things from the Bible but also keep in mind since jidion is apparently Christian which I’m glad he believes in the Bible. The Bible says the an animals soul is not as worth as a humans soul so killing a human is far worse than killing an animal(depending on the moral you’re doing it for) we should take care of animals and we shouldn’t abuse them as they are still gods creation but god gave us animals for food.
0 likesThis video made me into a carnivore
0 likesI don’t like how much meat pollute our world.
0 likes😭 But i love the taste of meat 😭
I would love to eat fake meat If you make it taste as good as real meat
Who exactly is the guy that made the statement?
0 likesWhen JiDion said he believed in God, my respect went from 100 to 10000000🙏💯 📈📈📈📈
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how come?
12 likes@Blitch because that’s amazing, anyone a believer of God automatically earn my full respect.
88 likesSo you don’t respect people who don’t believe in god?
38 likes@JgPapi because your a soy
11 likes@Nick Kerr God* and I never said I didn’t, stop jumping to conclusions.
65 likes@JgPapi I’m sorry papi 😔
2 likes@Nick Kerr it’s okay dad
21 likes@JgPapi all it takes for your full respect is to believe in god??? There are murderers out there that are believers in god…
38 likes@Mike Miller If they do it in the name of God. They're not Christians. If they've done crimes, sent to prison and repented, and are sorry of their actions, then they deserve respect.
22 likes@Julien Magalhães still evil imo
3 likes@Sl.a.....y.. let's judge people for their actions of year ago. You, who have done nothing wrong, throw the first stone.
6 likes@Julien Magalhães what about rapists
0 likes@Julien Magalhães if somebody murdered a person very close to you and repented about their actions, would you forgive them?
1 likeBruh
0 likesIf god was real he would have helped me by now.
6 likes@Byron Venables that’s not how it works but ok pal
17 likes@Bogi Man If I was perfect, like God, I could. In theory, a Christian should be able to forgive and forget. But God knows our limits. But to answer your question, I don't think I'd be able to. I don't think it's truly possible to forgive a murderer. But in the end, it's not either if I forgive, it's God who chooses.
3 likes@alex burke Again, if you read my comment, people change. you cannot compare a person from 10, 20 years ago. Again, throw the first stone if you are without sin.
6 likes@JgPapi you just a weird ass person
0 likes@Byron Venables Lame excuse for desperate ppl, because not even a single mainstream religion suggests that God works in the way you're suggesting.
1 likeWhy yall disrespecting my man, he believes what he believes and u believe what u believe. Ur going against exactly what jidion was saying in this video😂
7 likes@Nick Kerr no. They just get more of it. Stop putting words in their mouth just because you want to bitch and cry. Cope
0 likesSounds absolutely stoopid. You sound like an absolute follower.
0 likes@Byron Venables There is a word for that, it’s called hero.
0 likesIs God a hero? no, he’s God and you can never say that what he didn’t do makes him bad because you don’t know what would happen.
@Nick Kerr yes
0 likes@JgPapi Anyone can say that they "believe" in God but not respect him at all. His whole channel is evidence of that. I'm not one to judge (because I'm on his channel while enjoying his content like you guys) but it's very easy to say that and not actually be active in faith. Here's what Jesus said if you wanna show how much you love him:
0 likes"If ye love me, keep mu commandments" -John 14:15"
@alex burke if they repent and see the light after atoning for their sins (Serving A Sentence) they shall be deemed a Christian and a good person the famous saying There’s No such thing as bad people it’s just people who make poor decisions is simply a saying indicating that everyone in the world has sinned and has done bad all on the same levels on heavens standered if you ask for forgiveness and truly repent for your sins you will be saved meaning you will be lifted of rape,murder,stealing,etc
0 likes@Bogi Man no and that’s because we are humans we don’t have a say in this no matter how biased you are God isnt and never will be his standereds is different then ours meaning Stealing A Candy bar is just as bad as Stealing a Plane or Thinking about Murder is just as bad as committing ting it
0 likes@Byron Venables he did you need to open your eyes too see if your alive rn right? God has kept you 1 month that’s a sign of him helping yoh
0 likesBut God doesn't exist 🤨
0 likesL
0 likes@Nick Kerr no
0 likesmine went from 100 to 100
0 likes@Sean Mensah Bonsu I agree, plenty of people say they believe but they don't show any respect at all. That's why people should judge others by the content of their character and personality first rather than religion and appearance.
0 likesSo what if he was atheist
1 likeFaxx
0 likes@Byron Venables he is real just cause he can’t cure everything in your life doesn’t mean he isn’t real😐
0 likesYup
0 likes@JgPapi Even the crazy ass murderers and child rapists priests and horrible religious people out there? Dang bro you gotta reevaluate how you respect people lol
0 likesU should’ve brought up the nutritional part of eating meat and how u need those nutrients and even if u can take supplements the nutrients in animals are much better for us and our body’s are designed to digest the meat in animals because of how we evolved our bodies get the most out of the things it’s evolved to digest and one of those things are meat from animals
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Get me in a podcast with him
0 likesNas to Dababy is a win
1 likeOk, but how does a lion kill his prey tho? 🤨
0 likesbruh im just saying several species kind need us to survive, deer repopulate pretty fast so hunters have to hunt them to make sure other animals can survive and sheep were bred to produce too much wool so they would die of heat stroke if they weren’t sheared and shooting something in the head is an insta kill in most circumstances but also i doubt animals are shot in the head it just seems like one of those things people say that has no factual backing they’re just trying to make as gruesome of a scene as possible
0 likes8:50 i would assume they would have a similar level of moral values to a human so prob no
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Adolf has changed he's reformed normally he would say yes as he would classify them as the 'inferior race' big respect to my boi Adolf for changing his ways.
0 likesMad respect to Jidion for believing in the Bible, it was also very agitating when he said the Bible was written 1000 of years ago what he is basically saying is that we are outdated but if u look at other religions like budisuhm that was created a thousand years ago and he did not say that it was outdated
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@Zfaevagames yes is there a problem abt that
4 likes@Jonah Mansoor Fax mad respect for Jidion for believing in fairy tales🙏🙏🙏
1 like@Atte Puurtinen ok and? call them what you want too
3 likes@Atte Puurtinen you’ve literally went on an alt account to type that in, good for you
3 likes@Atte Puurtinen what do u believe in
0 likes@Atte Puurtinen bc there is proof of Jesus and objects stated in the Bible
1 like@Jonah Mansoor their internet trolls, don't listen to them
4 likes@Jonah Mansoor ain’t know proof but fake proof
1 like@AML academy how can there be fake proof
1 like@freemit Bro what? U the one with an alt account💀💀💀
0 likes@Jonah Mansoor I believe in myself😤
0 likesCows don't get their throat slit (obviously). Cows that are practically already dying get killed in the most humane way possible. They don't just torture it
0 likesVeganism is a health thing, not just a “humanity” thing.
0 likesBig ups for supporting the Quran jidion
0 likesWell here’s my rebuttal, Jesus came to die for our sins so we don’t have to do any burnt offerings. You can eat meat or be vegan it’s not going against God. With this said jiDion was trolling the whole time.
0 likesPlot twist.
0 likesIts Real Meat
bro after the vegans heard what happened they instantly apologized to JiDion
12 likesHeres the thing with religion and veganism. Not believing in a religion doesn't not hurt anyone (except arguably yourself), while not eating meat leads to less animals suffering. It is not even comparable to compare someone trying to convert another to a Christian and a vegan trying to convert another to being vegan. Christinanity is based on faith and beliefs, while veganism is based on the fact that animals suffer when you eat meat.
0 likesPlants can feel pain too though. They’re also living. Whenever you eat plants, yes it might be less messed up than eating animals but you’re still killing a living being that can feel pain.
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Plants don't have pain receptors, a nervous system, or brain. What makes you think they can feel pain?
1 like@Andre C. There’s literally hundreds of studies showing that plants can feel pain. Look it up
0 likes@Andre C. it’s not a guarantee but since plants can feel things that touch them there is a strong possibility that they can feel a type of pain that we can’t comprehend.
0 likesHe’s dumb lol I love it
0 likesGood and Jesus loves you all spread the gospel
0 likesactually dumped on him with that religion piece
0 likesDamn it got so intense when they started debating 😂😂
7 likesVegans just can’t separate their view of animals from Humans… critical thinking is a huge factor
0 likesWhat vegans do by abstaining from animal products and exposing animal farms with POOR conditions is necessary but they’re obnoxious about it sometimes. It feels exactly like being judged by religious people ew
0 likesIts a compliment being told you went from being LIL NAS X TO DABABY headahhhhh
0 likesIn Leviticus 11, the Lord speaks to Moses and Aaron and sets out which animals can be eaten and which cannot: “You may eat any animal that has a divided hoof and that chews the cud. There are some that only chew the cud or only have a divided hoof, but you must not eat them.
1 likeim eating a chicken burrito rn
0 likesHe was actually a really good sport about the whole thing
11 likesanimals are not shot in the head, they actually have needle stamp that stamps into their head and retracts leaving a whole and instantly keeling the animal which is scientifically proven to have impact of tortue and is the most humane and is 100 not painful because everything happens less than 2 seconds
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*to have no impact of tortue
0 likesOk I didn’t actually care about what he said until he started saying things about the bible that are simply not true. Things such as ‘the bible justifies slavery’. He never read a line from the book but found some article online saying how the bible is bad, without doing any actual research
0 likesPeople be the most toxic hateful dudes online and then get a chance to grab some clout and be nice as fuck lmao
0 likesmy personal view is that we are higher on the heircechy, we can eat animals just the same as predators eating herbivours, there isnt a "moral" choice there is only a choice that will keep you alive. morality is a human and animal construct, at the end of the day all we are doing is passing energy from place to place.
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I wouldn't say it's 'only a choice that will keep you alive' since you can live without eating animals, although you'd have to be especially careful about maintaining a balanced diet
0 likesPreston W first of all im not causing suffering im eating the leftovers, two this isnt a human construct passing energy and eventually reaching high entropy is a universe thing not a human thing, morality is a human construct however and even though I am calling it that im still a human so im gonna conform to it which makes me a hyprocrit. and also humans cant live without eating meat, meat is a valuable protein source that aids in muscle growth and provides important nutrients we need to survive, some people who dont eat meat have health issues that their doctors ask them to address by eating meat. (also predators eat meat and cause suffering so you have no grounds to call this a moral issue while other animals do the exact same thing).
0 likes@fungling yeah true and especially now only recently that we have stuff like vitaman pills and iron pills and stuff.
0 likesPreston W well not exactly not living without thats my bad I shouldve said it better, I meant to say health problems. any diet needs balance which includes meat red meats white meats etc.
0 likesWas this age restricted for anyone else for a while?
0 likesYou cant cancel someone that doesnt care 💀
10 likesI get the argument that animals who are slaughtered live in inhumane conditions but I don't get how vegans can talk about "slitting animals throats is evil" when every single carnivorous animal kills other animals to sustain themselves.
0 likesnot only does the bible talk about the passover but there is a scripture in Genesis that talks about killing and using animal products for good. for containment (population). We are not to just kill as we please because it is a fun game, we are to utilize God's creations and use them for our survival.
0 likesI ate a fuckin burger while watching this 🤣
0 likesI can respect vegans when they dont want animals tortured, but if we didnt have animals to eat we cant survive we would be extremely weak eating just plants, even if we are advancing animals are not some extremely intelligent creatures they are just apart of the food chain and happen to be under us if they were above they would eat us with no hesitation.
0 likeslol this man hahaha
0 likesJidion needs to have dababy every outro like how baylen Levine has hello fans at the end of every one of his videos 😂😂
113 likesThis guy believes no one should have freedom to eat food they enjoy. Shooting an animal to eat them is a lot better than a wild animal tearing them to bits while they are still conscious. Idk this guy has an case of I’m right you’re wrong while I’m just trying to not starve
1 likeAnimals do not have a soul like humans do. God created animals as a source of food for us!
1 likeI watched this eatin a rib plate😔
0 likesI highly believe and know for a good reason Gods and Jesus will for COMPASSION is much higher then sacrificing any kind of living on that planet!
0 likesThe problem with you humans is, you believe more in your Religions then in your GOD !
Compassion is the key for real PEACE.
So go and sacrifice your EGO if you want to get you answers!
Bless you guys stay healthy and care for others! Thank you alot !❤🌍🌞
So many bugs get killed for those impossible burgers, “im vegan to save the animals”
0 likesJiDion didn’t really let him talk, he kept interrupting him
16 likesDude this vegan trying to create another sentient life😂
0 likes0:09 emo boy looks like he cant grab a pound of beef off the shelf
0 likesThat guy knew his stuff and he had good points in the arguments….but
20 likesJidion knew more
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The vegan made it very clear. Believing in a religon isn't hurting anyone (most of the time). Not being vegan is causing death to animals that don't need to die because we can simply eat plants to survive. Sure Jidion knew more, but none of it justified killing animals for no good reason at all.
4 likesAbout what ? Hate to say it but nothing he said was logically more sound- and also the video was edited
0 likes@TVideoupload I just said he's logically more sound because he talked about victims. You can do whatever you want but when there are innocent victims than you are in the wrong
1 like@Sarbjot Singh if you are a vegan, how does it stop animals from dying, they just die and someone else eats them
1 like@MidoriBear well no, some animals die naturally.
1 likeI think the animals deserve the freedom to live their lives out however they can.
I don't think it's good that we forcefully breed them. Genetically modify their body to produce more milk, eggs, meat. And treat then horribly. And put them under extreme stress and pain just for a quick burger. When none of it is necessary.
@Sarbjot Singh I was replying to original comment not you
0 likes@Sarbjot Singh reason is so we can eat.
0 likesDamm a lot of vegans in here. I was just joking btw
0 likes@Jorge Antonio Vargas facts
0 likes@Nikita Snow it's just fun the debate sometimes. I just bored and couldn't fall asleep
0 likes@Jorge Antonio Vargas we can eat plants. Welcome to the vegan community
0 likes@Sarbjot Singh We can also eat meat. Welcome to the “non-vegan” community.
0 likesjidion went OFF ON HOMIE
0 likesMy man said shot in the head im dead🤣🤣🤣
0 likesi've already seen the hour long live but imma watch it again to support my boy jidion🔥🔥
4 likesThe thing is most farms wait till the animal is old
0 likesBro he kept saying the “shot in the head and their throats slite” like chill
0 likes“I’m not gonna lie, if I had more time I would have brought a pig or a cow up here.” 5:05 😂😂😂
26 likesOh yeah cows are very human like. Pigs are SUPER human like. He obviously talks to a lot of people.
0 likes11 mo later he is not vegan
0 likesI feel like some vegans forget that plants are also living things 😆
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They belive they can eat their own head
0 likesPlants aren’t sentient, they don’t suffer and feel pain like animals do.
1 like@Chris ?
0 likesThis guy said, feminist restaurant? wtf 😂😂
0 likesMe enjoying my bacon , egg , and ham breakfast watchin thi
0 likesI’m new here and you just immediately make my day bro😂😂
9 likesDamn he really used the nelk song lmaoo I knew it sounded familiar
1 likeAnyone else peep the “am I gay” ad on his phone before the interview 🤣🤣🤣
0 likesfirst JiDion video I've watched and I can safely say Imma binge this guys channel for the rest of the night lmao
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The intros are grear
0 likesWARNING ⚠️ JESUS COMMANDS YOU TO REPENT OR PERISH!!!! YOUR SOUL IS ON THE LINE!!!!
0 likesMenace to society
0 likesThat was so funny
0 likesI can't wait for that Tyrone rematch.
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My videos are similar style to Jidion, I’m a New Youtuber and tryna hit my dream of 5k 🔥
1 likeHere's the truth about death: https://www.amazingfacts.org/media-library/media/e/17275/t/truth-about-death
0 likesThe Sabbath:
Sabbathtruth.com
Here is the truth about revelation:
https://www.amazingfacts.org/media-library/watch/archives/o/1194/t/prophecy-encounter
@HKROW slight criticism from just seeing the thumbnails they look like cringe 3 am videos or something like that
0 likesWARNING ⚠️ JESUS COMMANDS YOU TO REPENT OR PERISH!!! YOUR SOUL IS ON THE LINE!!!
0 likeshow tf is the vid age restricted. youtube soft
0 likesThe vegan guy was right
1 likeI've watched and liked the vegan trolling video but the vegan guy is right about everything as even myself I started a few months ago some type of flexi-vegan diet ( introducing more vegan products into my diet but still eating meat sometimes) as I can't pretend to be an animal lover and be ok with the way they're being treated. They can't speak but they're so intelligent and therefore it's not ok. No one would be ok to have their cat or dog slaughtered for meat but because it's a pig( pigs are smarter than dogs) it's suddenly ok?
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you should check out earthling ed's channel
0 likesI eat dogs though
0 likesYeh I try my hardest not to eat pig. Cow too. Those two are the worst for your body as well, we can’t process them the same & they have a LOT of the unhealthy fats. They’re also bad on your brain if you eat too much of it.
0 likesHe repeats that the animal was killed constantly yes i know thats how it works
0 likes“These animals have been shot in the head and cut in the throat” Ok well lions eat other animals while there alive but no one gets mad at them. Humans have to eat too.
0 likesDavid did make a way more rational argument but this was still funny and bro, keep it up
6 likesJidion got that mans
0 likesAnimals don't get their throat slit 😂😂😂
0 likeslove how he started bringing up the religions lmao
19 likesHis zoom name was Charles Manson😂😂
0 likes1:53“am I gay test “LMFAOOOO
0 likesWho else been a fan of JiDion since 2019
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I’ve been a fan since 2007
3 likesMy videos are similar style to Jidion, I’m a New Youtuber and tryna hit my dream of 5k 🔥🔥
0 likesStop self promo and go build your channel yourself. I’m sure your videos are great but no one likes someone that self promos and leeches for clout. Elevate.
0 likesBeen a fan since 95
1 like@RL Amateur FX i was talking to HKROW cuz i see him on every single JiDion video.
0 likesWARNING ⚠️ JESUS COMMANDS YOU TO REPENT OR PERISH!!! YOUR SOUL IS ON THE LINE!!!
0 likes@Anonymous Yes if you havent been following JiDion since 2019 you better REPENT! Otherwise PERISH! Your soul is on the line!
0 likesSmoking that animal pack 🚬
0 likeswhy at the start did he say he killed and slaughtered an animal for a yt vid when he clearly never whether he bought it or not
0 likesi like meat... respectfully
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Hello TJ
1 likePause ‼️‼️
40 likesWho else committed tax fraud last year
5 likesWho doesn't love some nice juicy meat 😩
3 likesLove you baby say it back 😘
2 likesPause nigga🤨
2 likesAYO!!!!
2 likesGUYS HE DIDNT SAY NO HOMO
1 likeMy videos are similar style to Jidion, I’m a New Youtuber and tryna hit my dream of 5k 🔥
0 likes@deja 💤 lmfaooooo
2 likes@deja 💤 AYOOOOOOOOO
0 likesMe……
@deja 💤 caught yo ass
0 likesEven some plants like to eat meat, hello Venus
1 likei like juicy fat meat... respectfully
1 likeDo you think getting pleasure alone is enough justification for an action?
2 likesThere's nothing disrespectful about it.
0 likesCan you name anything you think unjustifiably harms others while being liked by those who do it?
2 likesI like to hurt others.... respectfully
0 likesTJ was good
0 likesWARNING ⚠️ JESUS COMMANDS YOU TO REPENT OR PERISH!!!! YOUR SOUL IS ON THE LINE!!!!
1 like@Anonymous,
0 likesYou can tell God I disdain to worship Him.
@Krwiomocz.Bogurodzicy Ⓥ cock and ball torture is one
0 likes@ROLLIE TRACKS🚨,
0 likesDon't kink-shame, you prude.
you WHAT
0 likes@Krwiomocz.Bogurodzicy Ⓥ we educate 😤we all know rawdogging comes at a cost
0 likesAge-restricted LMAO
1 like“The bible justifies slavery” Ight bro
0 likesVideo idea: Go to a vegan restaurant decked out in fur and leather. I think it would be extra funny if you insist that you are a "hardcore vegan."
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Thats like going to an organization that stands for human rights decked in human skin leather and human hair coats.
6 likesWhat you suggest is mad creepy and a shitty thing to do. Violence against innocent sentient beings is fucked up and wearing the products of it like a trophy is worse.
@Radiocorrective Why u being so sensitive
2 likesThats why he is the biggest menace
0 likesDrinking milk rn 🤝
1 likeAct homeless and when they say they don’t got cash, pull out a card reader
43 likesit be hilarious
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Ratio bozo
2 likes@cnzz.BB⚡️ .
1 like@cnzz.BB⚡️ “ratio” u back to tiktok
1 like@cnzz.BB⚡️ L
1 like@cnzz.BB⚡️ L
1 like@cnzz.BB⚡️ you bozo
0 likestell him billions of bees die coz of cucumbers
0 likesJiDion gets “Am I Gay” Ad 1:51
0 likesDamn I have been following Jidion for over 6 months and absolutely love his videos BUT the whole “lol bacon” eating meat infront of vegan type jokes are sooooo stale and low hanging fruit, it’s not comedy gold it’s just super immature and literally every vegan ever has already heard it. People are standing up for what they know is right and reducing animal suffering (while also helping the environment and health) and there’s not a single valid argument against veganism. It’s not a matter of what one person believes vs another, such as religion- it’s all 100% scientifically proven to be the best way of life, and I recommend anyone who thinks otherwise to do some research and watch some videos on YouTube on the subject to get more educated/inspired.
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the animals get a quick death. It’s not abuse. Also, people were made to eat meat. We’re omnivores. Nature WANTS us to eat meat.
2 likesexactly what i thought.. the mental age on this platform is just sinking day by day, i honestly cringed my ass off while watching both videos
3 likes@shoobadoo123 couldnt watch this video, id probably find it funny if I was 12 again
1 likeY'all stay mad at us for eating animals but what about other predators like lions, cheetahs, alligators, eagles, snakes and the many other apex predators that hunt animals every second? what you finna do, try to talk them into not killing and eating animals?
0 likesI'm vegan and I laughed.
0 likes@Jay they need meat to stay alive bruh; t's not even possible for them to live on plants.. a bit different than humans
1 like@shoobadoo123 watch dominion, you will see how animals truly live. You have been lied to, it’s nothing like the happy cows you see in advertisements, or on your uncles farm. There’s nothing natural about factory farms which is where 99% of the population gets it animal products. Hunting cannot be done by this large a human population so we need to move onto eating plants as a whole.
0 likes@Heated Up Mikey Lee We also need meat to stay alive bruh, and y'all be acting like they don't suffer as much when they're out there in the wild not being eaten by humans. If we don't eat them then trust and believe that some other predator is gonna eat them.
0 likesBro squashes beef literally
0 likes“most people don’t want to do that but the ones that do have ptsd…. blah blah” that’s utter bullshit, my dad worked in the abattoirs and he doesn’t in the slightest have ptsd, if anything he misses what he used to do.
0 likes4:24 he caught himself lol, he really wanted to say that he didn’t care about him😂
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Nah I don't think so. "I care about an animals life more than I do taste pleasure" is a common vegan argument he's just paraphrasing
2 likesHow was man’s jidion paying them to kill the animals bruh they was already dead when he bought them
1 likeI gutted a deer before, ruined my knife kink.
0 likes“how u feel about killing a person that isn’t human” bro isn’t that called a animal or some shit like that
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No shit that’s what he meant by that
0 likesHumans are animals
3 likes@Joseph Molina as someone who eats meat I think humans =/= animals we have vast differences one being intelligence if you make the case humans = animals then it’s moral to eat meat because other animals do it. We don’t follow this logic because animals do a lot of things that are harmful to humans but non harmful to them such as eat their own poo or incest.
1 likei kinda like the vegan dude
0 likesJiDion activated his white girl power
0 likesJidion: ya'll fckin crazy y'know?
6 likesAlso Jidion: makes a distrack cuz of a mama joke
1:51 Lmao I hate when I get those ads on YouTube 😭
0 likes@jidion God sacrificed his son so we didn’t have to sacrifice anything anymore.
0 likesJidion I thought you had to slaughter a lamb before Jesus came back. In the Bible it says that before Jesus came back in order for your sins to be forgiven you have to sacrifice a lamb. We don't gotta do that shit no more😂😂
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Oh nice so you decided to change the Bible ? Good job !
1 like@Adin Ross I just said I thought? Am I wrong? If I am how
1 likeWARNING ⚠️ JESUS COMMANDS YOU TO REPENT OR PERISH!!!! YOUR SOUL IS ON THE LINE!!!
3 likes@Adin Ross nah he’s right. Jesus is called the Lamb of God for this reason.
3 likesYeah in the old testament people would slaughter lambs as a sacrifice for forgiveness. When Jesus died on the cross for us he died for our sins and our suffering. So now we don't need to slaughter lambs because we can just accept Jesus into our life.
10 likes@Adin Ross no vid made the Old Testament and the New Testament for when Jesus Christ was on the planet
0 likesCodeineCrazy No we no longer have to do that like Tony Roy said. Jesus’ sacrifice on the cross replaced animal sacrifices as atonement for sin.
2 likes@Tony Roy Jesus didn’t die , God took him to heaven so he doesn’t suffer
0 likesYa I was lost cause god definitely put Jesus on that cross to wash our sins away😂
1 likeJidion always drops bangers🔥🔥🔥
4 likesI ain't vegan, but just saying that you don't need to sacrifice animals in Christianity. The ultimate sacrifice was Jesus Christ so we don't need to kill animals to be cleansed of our sins. Your vids are insane man keep it up! Love ya
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Ngl if I saw you sacrificing lambs I would think your tryna summon some shit
3 likes@B fr lmao
1 likejodion kinda slipped up on this one… i’m not vegan but his argument was terrible💀
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Hes talkin about beliefs. His argument was valid.
8 likesThe main argument he was trying to get across was correct. Obviously it’s hard to articulate what you mean on the spot so he did slip up in some parts. The vegan guy was saying it’s morally wrong when he cannot justify morality himself as there is no way to prove morality without a god. Jidion’s argument holds true as there is no way prove his viewpoint as morally wrong if you have don’t have a standardized set of morals across all of humanity.
3 likesJahmal DIAZ-RIVERA Religion counts as his beliefs and where he achieves his values. I'll give you that he didn't articulate it very well but anyone with a brain can see his point. LOL
1 like@N Vieira and that’s why you don’t argue in the YouTube comment sections. People here genuinely amuse me sometimes.
1 likeIt’s okay JiDion he doesn’t even know how to pronounce words right!
3 likesWe shouldn't have to explain why unnecessary violence is wrong. Watch the documentary Dominion go vegan for the animals
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It's gonna have to be a no for me dawg💀
7 likesNo, I dont think I will
4 likesHypocrite
3 likesPropaganda
I can really go for a burger right now
4 likesSo is the death caused by pesticides and crop protection neccessary?
3 likesI can really go for a nice raw red meats sashimi rite now. 😎😎😎
0 likesjust remember that god put animals on this earth for us to be able to eat.
12 likesI didn’t know jidion was Christian that’s awesome!
3 likesEating meat is natural. Its a part of life, the cycle continues regardless. They do realize animals kill other animals for their meat right? We ain't nothing but mammals. Well some of us are canabals and cut other people open like cannalope. I want steak now.
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You can thank the Atheist Postmodernist Woke SJW movement. With this movement comes veganism, cancel culture, woke mobs, etc.
10 likesExactly
0 likes@los_reyes What?? You just jumbled up a bunch of buzzwords as if it makes more sense now. Instead of just pointing out how ridiculous what your saying is, let me just ask do you have anything to substantiate your argument?
12 likesLike that song
4 likesI don't think anybody has ever said eating meat isn't natural, obviously it is, but there is a difference between a lion hunting down a gazelle and eating it and the forcible impregnation, mistreatment and mass slaughtering that happens to the animals we eat, most vegans don't advocate to not eat any meat whatsoever for everybody. They'd just like for meat to be ethically sourced, also were getting pretty close to being able to recreate the flavor and texture of meat in a lab using plant based ingredients and if it ever gets mass produced there's really not much of an excuse to continue supporting the unethical treatment of the animals we eat, I'm not even a vegan, just trying to understand their perspective somewhat yknow?
9 likes@C And what about what I said is ridiculous? It’s the truth.
1 like@los_reyes Veganism predates “the atheist postmodernism SJW woke mob” (whatever that fucking means) upon that they couldn’t have even created any of the things that you listed because it simply does not exist. Combining multiple buzzwords doesn’t make what your saying valid… you know that right?
1 likeAtheism is its own separate thing and directly related with religion
I’m not even sure if you even know what SJW and WOKE even means.
@C The act of not eating meat does predate the postmodern neo Marxist and SJW’s. But neo-veganism has different motives, it has become an identity, a way to virtue signal, a way to show how righteous and kind you are. In fact I would say it is associated with leftism.
2 likes@C Actually athiesm, postmodernism, sjws, and woke culture are directly linked together. Seriously, how did you not have the common sense to see the similarity?
1 like@los_reyes Jesus STOP with the buzzwords and use actual words to articulate your argument. Saying “MARXISM SJW WOKE COMMUNIST” contributes to nothing.
0 likesNot only that but you just changed “veganism” to “neo-veganism” did you seriously think I wouldn’t notice?
@los_reyes Please do tell me, what is the link between the 4?
0 likes@C I never said communist, and these aren’t buzzwords, anyone with a good vocabulary knows these aren’t buzzwords.
2 likes@C Any SJW you walk up to will immediately tell you they are vegan and support woke culture, feminism, etc
1 like@C heck I was once a vegan and supported woke culture, glad I walked out of that.
1 like@los_reyes It wasn’t a direct quote, it was a example of what your form of writing entails.
0 likesBuzzword: a word or phrase, often an item of jargon, that is fashionable at a particular time or in a particular context.”
@los_reyes Are you done with the anecdotes and hypotheticals? Can we get back to the argument now?
0 likes@C I’m not saying any buzzwords, it’s literally what it is, the vegan postmodern woke SJW’s. I don’t know what’s so hard to understand.
1 like@C These aren’t hypotheticals, these postmodern sjws are proud to announce that they’re vegan and woke.
0 likes@C There was never an argument, it was just you not having a decent vocabulary to understand basic words. Lol.
0 likes@los_reyes “I’m not saying any buzzwords” is that really the hill you want to die on? Especially after I even provided the literary definition of a “Buzzword”
0 likes“These aren’t hypotheticals”
Followed by “I used to be a vegan” and “Walk up to any of these SJW’s” like seriously take a break from the internet.
@Josh Smith, humans were technically made to be herbivores iirc, but hey, humans did evolve into eating meat so its fair to say its natural
0 likes@C These aren’t buzzwords though. They’re basic terms to describe people, and there is no hill to die on, I’m comfortable in my house.
1 like@los_reyes There actually was an argument as well, I asked to actually further explain you claim/argument about how that “woke postmodernism—“ led to veganism along with the other things you listed. Did you suddenly forget that?
0 likes@C The definition doesn’t describe what I’m doing though, it’s just you not understanding words. Don’t make a fool out of yourself.
0 likes@C And I explained it way above you. Please read the replies. It just seems like you’re continuing to make a fool out of yourself. Lol.
1 like@los_reyes OF COURSE it doesn’t describe what your doing, I never said that. I said you were combining buzzwords. Which you were, because they are in fact buzzwords. The fuck are you even talking about? The definition doesn’t describe what your doing because that was never the purpose of it. The purpose of it to show you that those words in which you used ARE in fact buzzwords.
0 likes“The definition does describe what I’m doing though” that’s because it was never intended to. I’ve never meet someone as clueless as you before.
@C But these aren’t buzzwords. As I’ve stated, these are basic terms for people.
1 like@C The definition doesn’t describe what I’m doing, but you yourself said that I’m using buzzwords, so therefore what I’m doing is using buzzwords, so saying doing is perfectly reasonable.
0 likes@los_reyes OF COURSE it doesn’t describe what your doing, I never said that. I said you were combining buzzwords. Which you were, because they are in fact buzzwords. The definition doesn’t describe what your doing because that was never the purpose of it. The purpose of it to show you that those words in which you used ARE in fact buzzwords.
0 likes“The definition does describe what I’m doing though” that’s because it was never intended to. I’ve never meet someone as clueless as you before.
@los_reyes “Basic terms for people” have the capacity to be buzzwords and in this particular instance they are, it’s not one or the other.
0 likes@UCi6uyJZmwouLWAV6v2RefNw A basic term that everyone with some common sense know what postmodernism, SJW, woke, vegan, and atheist mean. Seriously, there’s no buzzword.
0 likes@los_reyes Being a buzzword doesn’t change the meaning. Also YOU just explained how it’s a buzzword “everyone with some common sense know what — means”. They are fashionable words used as a generalization of a group of individuals.
1 like@C these terms have been around forever, atheist isn’t a buzzword, neither is postmodernist, or social justice warrior, or vegan. Lol
1 like@los_reyes Once again
0 likesBuzzword: word or phrase, often an item of jargon, that is fashionable at a particular time or in a particular context.
In case you don’t know what [Jargon] means: special words or expressions that are used by a particular profession or group and are difficult for others to understand.
It doesn’t matter how long it’s been around, it doesn’t have to be new for it to be a buzzword, the qualification for it is it being “fashionable” which they are.
@los_reyes oh my God are you a fox News anchor? Jesus christ chill out with the fucking buzzwords lmfao
1 like@C But these aren’t words that are difficult for others to understand. Postmodernist, Athiest, Vegan, Social Justice Warrior, aren’t buzzwords
2 likes@los_reyes Don’t believe me???
0 likesCheck Google and pull up the analytics of the past usage of the words as of late.
@C The words I’m saying don’t fit the definition.
0 likes@los_reyes It doesn’t have to be difficult to understand for it to be a buzzword. Jesus are you 12?
0 likes@M C Fox News is a new site for brainwashed conservatives, basically a right wing CNN.
0 likes@C Postmodernist, Vegan, Atheist, Social Justice Warrior don’t fit the definition.
0 likes@los_reyes Just check the analytics. I’m done arguing with someone that has the brain capability of a beetle.
0 likesI honestly feel as if I’m explaining the bounds of morality to a child.
@los_reyes right so kindly stop sounding like an anchor for them
0 likes@C It is your perception that they are buzzwords, but in reality these aren’t buzzwords these are common real terms for people, such as Atheist, Vegan, SJW, and Postmodernist. And like a typical Social Justice Warrior you insult my brain. Lol. Well it was fun shelb.
0 likes@M C Im not?
0 likes@C I’m not using any of these words as buzzwords, I’m using their real definition the real definition is still pretty obvious despite the word’s overuse.
1 likeSocial Justice Warrior refers to members of the Social Justice movement who see themselves as brave and noble crusaders, but really don't accomplish any good and usually do the opposite. Most are keyboard warriors, doing nothing but virtue signaling on social media. If they're feeling particularly energetic, they might go scream at people and pull a fire alarm to shut down a debate or opposing viewpoints while chanting mindless slogans like zombies. This is where the real harm comes from. Because they actually do shut down all other viewpoints than their own when given the chance and they never debate or expose themselves to any views outside of their own “safe space” bubble.
@C lol, you’re getting salty at him for stating actual terminology in groups that actually exist.
2 likes@los_reyes Stop arguing with this guy dude, he literally trying to sound like a smartass by calling those names “buzzwords” when those are actual terms that exist
3 likes@los_reyes he’ll probably say that the Black Lives Matter Community is a buzzword aswell lmfao
1 like@los_reyes bro stop being stupid jus cus ur a vegan doesent make u a SJW feminist.im vegan and i don’t associate with any of that. Have ur own thoughts and opinions dint just box urself in because of others perceptions of what a ‘vegan’ might be.
0 likes@freemit Exactly man. He’s one of those stuck up people.
0 likes@freemit No shit, that still doesn’t mean it’s not a buzzword. Also he didn’t even give a proper definition, he created ones in which cooperate with his argument. But go along and run with that though.
0 likes“the postmodernist SJW WOKE mob” isn’t proper terminology either…. Just so you know.
You don’t even know what a buzzword is yet your trying to correct me?
@freemit “those are actual terms that exist” yeah no shit. That still doesn’t mean it’s not a buzzword. Buzzwords aren’t created words. They are words and or terms that are fashionable at the time. Which is clearly stated in the definition I’ve given twice.
0 likesI’m getting “salty” because he’s wrong, your inability to see that doesn’t make you smarter.. just so you know. It’s actually appalling that you think the person that created their own definition for established terms is correct but I digress. I’m not your teacher.
“Postemodernist atheist sjw woke mod” is the equivalent of me saying “gamer BLM Christian mob” both are composed of words in which have no link to each other. Just because you believe it’s right doesn’t make it correct.
We ain't nothin' but mammals, well, some of us, cannibals
1 likeWho cut other people open like cantaloupes
But if we can hump dead animals and antelopes
Then there's no reason that a man and another man can't elope
@Trash did you need lyrics fam.? I can do biggies first two verse like cake work
0 likes@C I think you’re going too far with this, I don’t see how using a buzzword is bad and weakens his argument, but secondly I don’t even think centrist is using these terms as a buzzword. I mean it is true that the typical vegan is somewhat a social Justice Warrior and atheist and has a postmodernist view of the world. And calling him small brain doesn’t make you look better.
0 likesThats the best rebuttle I have ever heard regarding veganism 1,000 IQ
1 like@lolz You don’t see how he’s using them as a buzzword? He started off by saying “Atheist postmodernist SJW woke mob”. Upon that his definition given of said terms where completely inaccurate and convoluted with his opinions. Also there’s no evidence to support the typical vegan being a “sjw” and is an atheist. Your forming that connection. Also he said I lack proper reading skills and “how do you not have common sense” multiple times yet when I insult him it’s a problem? I have attacked the base of his argument but then he completely went off topic about whether it is or isn’t a buzzword. I then reiterate the literary definition and qualification of a buzzword yet he still attempted to debunk it with points in which main consists of “it can’t be a buzzword, it’s already a word” (not a direct quote).
0 likesSo yes I joke about his brain capability and I don’t really regret it. He’s made jabs at me so I made jabs at him, which is funny considering he commented about me attacking his “brain” even though he did the exact same.
@C For a guy who thinks hes smart you sound awfully repetitive and not intellectually supererior as your trying to be legit you look like a kid who's saying "remember that toy you took from me." when both kids are fighting about a nintendo switch like shut up.
1 likeAlso the topic was whether or not veganism is ethical and whether the subject makes sense on the opposing side your fighting about buzzwords when you literally said "can we get back to the topic" my guy your just as repetitive as him you need a break from the internet no one cares.
@M C unethical treatment? Is there an ethical way of kikling something?
0 likes@Kyojuro Bakugo im not trying to sound “smart” and or “intellectually superior” and yes I am repetitive because im repeating the same thing over and over, In fact I’m pretty certain I even Said I was repeating myself.
0 likesThe topic was never about veganism “being ethical”, it was about how “atheist postmodernist sjw woke mob” was the creation of veganism, sjw mobs etc. But please do show when it was.
@C He’s not using them as a buzzword, and he’s not changing the definition of the words he’s using. I have many friends who are SJW’s and they classify themselves as atheist and postmodernist and vegan, veganism as a phenomenon has accelerated its growth as a movement with tangible changes in society, on our high streets and in our shops. As equally has a palpable political alignment to the left come with it, likely due to a supposed common alliance in their liberal stances and egalitarian core.
0 likesSince its roots in the French Revolution, the left has stood for equality, class struggle and the protection of people from abuses of power. In contradiction to this, typical notions of conservatism bring to the fore thoughts of injustices within capitalist society: vested interest, multinational corporations, financial empires, and powerful lobbying groups such as the meat and dairy industries. This alignment with the left thus resonates with vegans’ disapproval of exploitative practices, the treatment of animals as mere commodities, their killing for monetary gain, wrapped up in the theory of speciesism. Furthermore, parties of the left have historically aligned themselves with more progressive and liberal movements such as the waves of feminism. This has led to a particular demographic picture within such parties, who challenge contemporary norms in the hope for a better world. In a 2018 US study, 52% of vegans identified as a liberal. Three-quarters of UK animal rights members are women. Rooted in social injustice, veganism questions common perceptions on ‘how it has always been’ in the food, drink, cosmetics and fashion industries.
On to postmodernism, postmodernist believe there is no objective reality, and that whites, blacks, Asians, etc have their own truth and that truth is subjective, this forms the Social Justice Warrior, the social Justice Warrior has a postmodernist view of the world and believe there is no objective reality, so they make statements such as that there is more than 2 genders and that it’s a social construct, when an individual disagrees with this statement the response of the postmodernist SJW is to attack the person since it is invading the SJW’s own “truth”.
Postmodernist are almost certain to be atheist since there is no objective reality to the world and believing that there is no higher being and that the universe was a random explosion makes believing in a subjective truth much more reasonable.
As you can see The statement “postmodernist SJW atheist” makes sense, lots of sense, and you are so quick to call this a “buzzword” but it isn’t, he’s actually using the correct definition for each on these terms and not deriving from the true definition.
He didn’t insult your common sense, rather he was showing how simple the terms he used are to understand with proper research.
@C u spend way too much time on Youtube clearly
0 likes@lolz I’ll be respond to your comment in full but how can you sit here and say he’s not using them as buzzwords and that he’s not changing the definition of the terms? Read the comments he’s made, specifically the one where he was explain what the term “SJW” refers, it’s the one with the large 2nd body of text. Also your friends are indicative of a whole group of people
0 likes@AizakkuZ there are unethical ways yes, killing someone by cutting them a thousand times and letting them bleed out would be unethical as compared then painlessly killing them
0 likes@C Hes not changing the definitions at all. He got the definition of SJW pretty spot on. It seems your a little biased in your reasoning. Just research the definition of the terms, he got the terms correct. He’s not using them as buzzwords. It just seems like you’re the only one viewing it as a buzzword and reaching your own conclusions.
0 likes@lolz To quote him “Social justice warrior refers to members of the social justice movement who see themselves as brave and noble crusaders but really don’t accomplish any good and usually do the opposite. Most are keyboard warriors, doing nothing but virtue signaling on social media” shall I go on and finish the rest.
0 likesAre you honestly telling me that’s the definition of what an sjw is?
Also if “athiest postmodernist sjw woke mob” could all or at least mostly be simplified into a single group then why didn’t he do that??
@sre t wtf?
0 likes@lolz I read your entire comment and what I find wrong about it is the equlaivences you draw between different ideologies and groups I.e Vegans and Athiest so you can establish the link. Being a vegan doesn’t inherently mean your a atheist in fact I would actually ask you if you had any evidence or statistic that show there is a direct correlation between the two. On that note with your reasoning your making it seem as if vegans are athiest because they are vegans rather than “most vegans are athiest” which there is a difference. That is what I find wrong with your linking of the different groups and ideologies if I’m not mistaken your doing this because all can be under the umbrella of “postmodernism” (correct me if I’m wrong on that).
0 likesWhat your essentially saying is Sjw are vegans, vegans are postmodernist, postmodernist are atheist. If you provided statistics to prove this then this would be a entirely different conversation( about the linking of these terms, not about if they are buzzwords or not).
Also I’m not calling “Athiest postmodernist sjw woke mob” a buzzword, I’m saying it’s composed of buzzwords.
As for your text surrounding his insults.
You say he didn’t insult my common sense yet he very clearly stated I lack common sense so how exactly does that work? I hate how you rationalize his insults yet irrationalize mine because they are more brazen. Just because he says I’m doing something rather than I am something doesn’t mean it’s not a clear insult.
You also address potential biases I have, which I’m curious on how considering you said you have friends that are vegan and that are atheist which could possibly conflict with how you formed your conclusion. Also what conclusion was I forming by saying it was a buzzword?? The conclusion was that it’s a buzzword, I didn’t form a conclusion around that because that was the conclusion. That was what the original argument derived into.
@los_reyes when the leftists take over and we lose our freedoms, this guy will realize how right you are.
1 likeThe real slim shady?
0 likesNobody understood yo Slim Shady reference near the end 😭💀
0 likes@Kyojuro Bakugo Perfect response.
0 likes@M C made in a lab exactly what I want to eat. Something that was made in a lab lol. Source my meat from farmers who have old cattle that they’ve got to put down via shooting them. About as ethical as it gets. What a lot of vegans tend to forget is we play a huge impact into the eco-system. We stop killing animals and they start to overpopulate. In the state I live in we have all year round coyote hunting season right now due to the fact that they’re overpopulated and are killing off majority of the deer population here. We are never gonna get to a point where we aren’t gonna have to step in and do population control on a certain set of animals because we’d literally allow them to extinct themselves.
0 likesY’all had a whole essay debate on some one saying vegans are sjws in some paragraph like cmon this is the Jidion channels let’s not be so serious if someone replies to this thing with a paragraph lol
0 likes@Gold Totally. Jidion is a real one.
0 likes@C So how big is the left-right divide in meat consumption?
0 likesNew figures from a 2018 Gallup poll provide excellent estimates of vegetarianism and veganism in the U.S. Overall, 5 percent of Americans consider themselves vegetarian (i.e., do not eat meat), with another 3 percent considering themselves vegan (i.e., do not eat any animal products, including meat, milk, eggs, etc).
The story gets all the more interesting when you look at ideological differences. Among liberals, 11 percent are vegetarian, but only 2 percent of conservatives are vegetarians. (see Figure below). This is a staggering difference, with liberals 5.5 times more likely to be vegetarian compared to conservatives. A similar difference is observed for vegans: liberals are 2.5 times more likely to be vegan than are conservatives (see Figure).
Obviously, political ideology is a very strong predictor of meat consumption.
This pattern has two important implications. First, our previous research (Hodson & Earle, 2018) shows that those on the political right are more likely to return to meat consumption because they report a lack of social support. Given that people associate with those similar to themselves (what we call “homophily”), liberals tend to hang out with liberals and conservatives tend to hang out with conservatives. As such, liberals truly will find more social support for the goal of avoiding meat consumption in their social circles.
In 1940, the Vegan Society was founded in the UK, and explicitly linked themselves with science and logic-based reasoning. Later thinkers like Peter Singer and Tom Regan made fully-secular arguments for veganism. In the current era, the movement is made up mostly of non-religious people, but it rarely chooses to highlight this aspect.
The author of this paper uses a recent survey of vegans from the US to examine the animal rights movement in the country. 287 respondents were counted, all of whom were vegans living in the United States. The majority of respondents were white and heterosexual, and the majority of those that reported their gender identified as female. 72% of male and female respondents identified themselves as being atheist or agnostic
Veganism is much more than what one chooses to eat or not eat, chooses not to wear, chooses to forego for entertainment and chooses to purchase in terms of cosmetics and household items. Veganism at its core is about justice. Veganism is a social justice movement that places an animal’s right to be left to his or her own devices as the center of justice.
As such, advocating for veganism is much bigger than convincing individuals to become vegan – not that this work isn’t deeply important. It’s about fighting against the industries that profit from the use of animals. It’s about fighting against the governments that protect the rights of those industries to use and abuse animals. Ultimately, it is about reaching a public that allows and perpetuates the abuse of animals, and educating them about speciesism.
Speciesism is the core belief in the inherent supremacy of humans. It is what justifies the confinement, torture, and murder of billions of animals for food, clothing, entertainment and research. The idea that human beings are the center of the universe and that animals are a sub-species is unethical. History has shown us what happens when one race or country, for example, sees themselves as superior. Genocide happens.
What has been happening since human beings began to breed, raise, and kill animals has been a continual genocide. This genocide has been going on for thousands of years without a pause. In fact it is increasing with human population growth and industrialization.
So veganism is a social justice issue that requires active efforts to eliminate speciesism. Justice and equality are not going to come to animals by manipulating people through health claims, environmental reports, personal spirituality, or other promises about how going vegan will help that individual. Justice is not about self-serving acts. Justice is about the greater good, in this case, the rights of animals.
When someone makes a dietary choice for their own self interest, animals lose. How do animals lose? Diets and health choices change like the direction of the wind. I am avoiding gluten for dietary reasons. If I get tempted, or have a glass or two of wine, I may cheat on my dietary choice and eat some gluten. But no matter how much wine I drink, I will not cheat on veganism. Why? Because veganism is an ethical choice that is outside of my personal interests. I am vegan for animals. https://thethinkingvegan.com/veganism-is-a-social-justice-movement/
So yes, veganism is inherently associated with the left wing social justice movement.
The majority of vegans and vegetarians are not religious. But, why are so many vegans atheist? There hasn’t been a definitive study on the reasons for this, but many argue that atheists are guided by their own moral compass, rather than one laid out by religious scriptures. Because of this, some conclude that it is unethical to use animals, and therefore follow a vegan lifestyle.
As for postmodernism, postmodernist believe that there is no objective reality, and to be a postmodernist you have to be an atheist.
To conclude, when he said “atheist postmodern vegan SJW’s” he wasnt using buzzwords, he was using the proper definition of the terms he was using, not once did he change the terms. It is easy to conclude that a postmodernist is an atheist along with an SJW along with a vegan. In fact they are happy to proclaim they are all these things.
As for him insulting your “common sense”, you did that yourself. Not once did he call out your ability to use common sense, he said anyone with some common sense knows he used the terms properly. So before being so quick to calm him out for using buzzwords, next time research the terms he is using.
https://www.pewforum.org/religious-landscape-study/religious-family/atheist/party-affiliation/
Jidion fr the most underrated YouTuber wtf
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he will blow up one day dude is creative as fuck. his content is unmatched period
2 likes1.1 million, how is he underrated?
0 likes@FreeOrphans (I'm Him) he should have more
2 likesIt’s crazy how fast his YouTube channel grew. I was subscribed sense 10,000 subs
4 likesThis dude just said the same thing over and over jidion actually had something to say, that’s a W for jidion
7 likesHow is it age restricted?
0 likesYo Jidion I caught you lacking you got a “Am I Gay” survey on your phone 😂😂 1:49
16 likesThe problem is now everyone thinks vegans now are all like this when I’m reality that’s in true
0 likesThe gool old dayz before he got banned on twitch
0 likesThe dababy at the end had me dying 😂😂😂
3 likes5:30 Animal people wtf??🤣🤣🤣
1 likeyou went from lil nas x to dababy LMAO
0 likesI love jidion even more when he said he believes in the bible ❤️❤️❤️❤️
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Fax
1 likeImagine being vegan 💀, steak 🥩 all day 🥩🥩🥩🥩🥩🥩🥛
0 likesBest debate I’ve ever seen 😂
5 likesMe eating meat while watching this😭😭
0 likesIt’s called the food chain
0 likesThe vegan dude is in the right
4 likesDid anyone get a warning before watching this video ?
0 likesthis guy is gonna be like mrbeast with all his subs rising so fast
8 likesAnimals are part of the food chain lmao
0 likesHe’s not wrong to be fair, as annoying as he is
1 likeThat guy is actually pretty cool
3 likesThe deers I hunt for don’t get shot in the head
1 like….. bc I can’t hit one.
They don’t want to hunt for animals because they get ptsd after.
0 likesI honestly am siding with the vegan guy here. He kept his cool and calm the whole time it honestly seemed like JiDion was just tryna over talk him the whole time.
3 likesThe guy acting like veganism is only about saving animals it’s also just a diet to some people
0 likesThe vegan guys right tho
0 likes“I’ll drop everything and go see Tyrone if I get 200k followers” Tyrone finna be watching over them numbers 😂😂😂
4 likesA bear mulls a deer alive... Watch a lion eat an Impala..
0 likesLet’s go Jdion Christian gang baby
2 likes1:13 that Soulja Boy edit after what the dude said had me weak 😭😭
3 likesBro the vegan won Calling Jhidion Nas x to Dababy 😭😭😭 STRAIGHT DRAG
0 likesNeeda do more vegan restaurant vids
0 likesOffending everyone with no remorse 💀
6 likesSome people say be a carnivore some say be a vegan forgetting humans are omnivores we need both meat and veggies and killing other living things is just nature
1 likena i ain’t gon jidion was changing the subject everytime bro talked
32 likesShoulda brought up the fact of carnivorous animals
0 likesThe dudes acting like the people killing the animals be terrorizing the animals
0 likesShe gon cry lmao
0 likesthe vegan is like hasan
1 likeI like how he just has a clip of hi hugging a grandma at walmart
4 likesDidnt know You believe in the bible God Bless Man
0 likesI’m pretty sure we aren’t slitting animals throats.
0 likesDon't plants have life... watched 1:10 and was like yo plants have life. Next it's gonna be don't water have life too.
0 likesBruh society is to sensitive.
Good video jidion!
That nigga is a haren
My rebuttal would be one word “Omnivores” humans aren’t herbivores
6 likesLiterally eating chicken rn sooo bussin
0 likesBro wants to modernize the bible😭
0 likesDemarcus is a legend bro🐐
16 likesThe Soulja boy cut off 😭
0 likesAt 0:57 when the guy starts talking. The animal is already dead it’s not like jidion is personally choosing the animals to be killed. And when the animals die it is very quick and the animal dies immediately
0 likesprank was a W faze rug and savage sean would be proud 👽
7 likesAfter watching this video this makes me hungry for meat 🥩 yummy
0 likesouuu it was getting HEATEDDD near the middle of the video 😭😭
0 likesBruh this vegan dude got my mind going round in circles
18 likesThis got a trigger warning from YouTube on it? Okayy….
0 likesBesides the fact that JiDion acts childish sometimes he said so many FACTS in this video
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Like what? There’s no valid argument against veganism lol
1 likeThe animals don't even feel it, a cow becoming my burger is the most purpose it would have ever served. It's either that or it get killed in the wild. It's one or the othet
0 likesMight just go eat a raw egg
0 likesthe amount of times the guy said "They get shot in the head and have there throat slit" is unbearable
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Fr like I don’t work for rhat but I’m pretty sure they don’t do that for food. Unless it’s to end the pain but still that guys obsessed with that sentence
3 likes@Ends Jacks mhm ik. They dont kill food animals like that. But i will admit, the way they kill pigs is messed up
0 likes@BlazeOnLimez yikes guys, your head is in the sand because they absolutely do do that, watch dominion on YouTube and have your minds blown and hearts shattered.
2 likesYou could have let him speak more and listened a bit more. You kept interrupting him
0 likesAlphas do what they desire
0 likesI raised and sold pigs for 9 years in 4H/FFA. Their death is more smooth than most hospice patients.
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Exactly most people who have cancer gets treated like shit literally wacthing people die and just be like next
0 likesSo because some people get treated like shit we should torture animals? That's the most flawed logic I've ever heard. The best solution is to clearly just help dying people have better , more humane deaths. Not keep torturing animals because some humans are in pain when they die.
1 like@Cameron MacDonald you need a steak bro.
0 likesTurned a hater to a fan im not surprised
0 likesI don’t know about you but I’m eating chicken right now
0 likesIt’s not like we can put the meat back to the animals 😂
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yea, but we can stop supporting the industries that kill the innocent animals for no good reasons
11 likes@Sarbjot Singh and what? Realease them to the wild so that other animals can eat them. Or that they become an invasive species making it harder for wild animals living in that area. I agree that what we do to animals is cruel, but there are consequences if we just freed them
2 likes@Sarbjot Singh the good reason is us eating them
1 like@Equzia you can eat plants. Problem solved. Welcome to the vegan movement.
5 likes@lil nug It's gonna be a gradual shift. It would be ridicoulous to release them all.
4 likesHow about just let them live out their lives and not forcefully breeding them into existence like cows that are raped.
You think we have over 20 billion livestock animals naturally? You don't have to worry. If we don't force them to breed and grow they will dwindle down real fast.
How about if we used that logic with slavery? We can't free them because ......
You are saying we should't stop immoral act because it would be very hard to stop. Well then we should do the really hard thing and stop.
@Sarbjot Singh ik you didnt just compare animals with slavery🤦🏽♂️. Even at a "graduale shift" they can still become an invasive species and wipe out other animals in the area. Especially animals like pigs, they would spread fast and that wouldnt benifits the wildlife.
0 likesI agree force breeding is messed up. That is how americ is, all about corporations, and needing more and more to make money. The systems messed up, but at the end of the day it's a dog eat dog world
@Sarbjot Singh also I saw. good point a guy made on this comment section. Saying that being vegan isnt amazing either, higher demand for plants and crops forces workers in third world countries to take up more space, slashing and burning, essentially killing animals, and their homes, which is ironic if u think about it
0 likes@lil nug it takes more crops to feed over 20 billion livestock animals that it would if everyone became vegan.
1 likeThe overall crop demand would decrease....
@lil nug sometimes certain comparisons are nesseccary to show flawed logic. What excused did slave owners use? They were all selfish and motivated by profit and made all sorts of excuses to oppress slaves. Meat eaters use all sorts of excuses to oppress animals when they don't need to. It's cruel to cause harm and death when it can easily be avoided.
1 likeOf course we will not let all the animals loose. Just stop forcefully breeding and growing them. You think the world naturally has over 20 billion livestock animals?
Just let them live out their lives in closed of areas. Their populations will natural decline significantly, especially with the profit motive gone.
@Sarbjot Singh yeah but u know that would never happen, the animals would be happy, but that would take a big blow on the economy. America would take time to recover. Companies would shut down, and thousands if not millions of people would lose their job. And dont say it would be a gradual change, one simply connot turn a company into a completely opposite thing. It would be very difficult and inconvenient for a company made off of the commercial farming of animals, or animal meats to turn into a vegan company
0 likesNot to mention poorer countries in africa and south America could implode. If what u say is true and supply in demand of crops decreases as people become Vegan, labor workers would lose their jobs, and in a lot of poor countries that makes up a big chunk of employment
@Sarbjot Singh ik so true
0 likesFacts 😂😂
0 likes@Sarbjot Singh well stop killing innocent plants that are biotic factors like us animals to then
0 likesWARNING ⚠️ JESUS COMMANDS YOU TO REPENT OR PERISH!!! YOUR SOUL IS ON THE LINE!!!
0 likes@HimSteven Animals can suffer, feel pain, and experience reality. They have a conciousness.
0 likesYou are not willing to rob the life of an innocent dog that wants to live, but you would do it to many other animals.
Stop being a hypocrit
@Sarbjot Singh how am I being a hypocrite? All I’m saying is that vegan kill plants and not let them live and they are all biotic factor so why can’t I Cant another biotic factor??? And I’ll kill any thing alive even a human but I don’t want to go to jail so yea THERES A REASON WE HAVE ANIMAL ABUSE ( we kill the animals for a reason like you kill the plants for a reason ) we don’t abuse animals
1 like@Sarbjot Singh also you only kill animals cause you can read their faces and know what they’re saying a little and more but then you kill plants because you don’t know how they’re feeling and nor do you know what they’re saying
1 like@HimSteven Plants do not experience pain and suffering. They dont have wants and desires. They don't care for their families.
0 likesWhat if I used the same logic on a innocent puppy?. They are just biotic matter? I have a reason to kill them because they are tasty.
I am saying the reason we kill them is not a good reason to kill them. We only eat them because they taste good, not because we need the nutrients. We can get all the nutrients from plants. Thousands of studies have already shown this.
Causing uneccessay pain and death to animals is animal abuse.
@HimSteven My man. Show me a biology/phycology or any textbook that talks about the feelings of plants.
0 likesYou guys will go to any stretch to defend animals abuse.
Plants with feelings? Okay buddy lol.
@Sarbjot Singh bro animal abuse is wrong unless you’re punishing but farm animals and slaughtered for food is right
1 like@Sarbjot Singh there’re studies that say they feel touches and yes don’t feel pain but there are some animals that don’t feel pain so yea
1 like@Sarbjot Singh literally they’re both living and you kill both for food accept it, either way you’re killing a living biotic factor my man
0 likesThe vegan is right thats crazy!
1 likeJidion pranked Kevin love
1 likeI would love to see jidion in AMP
4 likesI thought you were going to say Quran says slavery is alright i was like what then realized you meant something else
0 likesi dont believe shit hmu yall both cool ppl
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Jidion was just having a little trouble putting his argument into words and so was the other guy honestly, but fr like this guy can't say like oh he bought this meat meaning he basically shot a cow in the head like no it doesn't work like that like I bought this 2 dollar ground beef because it's cheap I'm broke and it shmak when I put some garlic salt with that bish, if you want me to be vegan make the impossible meat cheaper than actual beef so I can afford it, I'm not shooting a cow in the head I'm just tryna get some food in my stomach and my familys like cmon bro I eat veggies but I also need something cheap like even chicken cheap asf and we all ain't got money to be buying the healthy ahit because that shit over priced sometimes like the organic shit
3 likesFunny how if we dont eat that pig or cow something else will in a more cruel wasteful way. Lol
0 likesI def think the vegan guy had a better point.
0 likesThe amount of times he said “slit their throat”. 💀
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Ikr😂
0 likesCome duck hunting with me lol
0 likesThrows out hypothetical -
7 likes“I don’t know, because it doesn’t exist.”
Nailed it.
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That's y it's a hypothetical. If u belief were legit he would answer it. He didn't have an answer so he deflected it
5 likesHe wanted to say the n word so bad
0 likes"Who's to say which morality is wrong?"
6 likesOmg that's so stupid. And it contradicts itself.
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just stop
1 like@Borox stop making sense?
0 likes@sweetness583 no point in arguing with somebody that said “why are black people so generic” u freak
1 like@Borox they said that? What a loser lol
0 likes@S.Sampson click on their profile you can see their other comment lma
0 likes@Borox Do you think that's racist to say? Why do you care about racism? After all, who's to say what's right or wrong?
0 likesHe says we should be tolerant of other people's choices because there is no objective good or bad. But that's implying that tolerance is an objectively good thing... So it's a contradiction.
0 likesA lot of animals die from the farmers protecting their beans
0 likesIf God says I can eat animals imma eat it. Plus animals would simply over populate if we didn’t.
2 likesThat man was tripping
3 likes1:37 lol hugs a grandma
0 likesthe cooking meat in vegan restaraunts was a lil bit toooo outta pocket which is strange to say as im watching jidion
3 likesim too high for this
0 likesBros capping no butcher be getting ptsd from that shit
0 likesI don’t see “animals are being killed” as a good reason for being Vegan. Carnivorous animals including humans hunt and kill for food in nature. I do see the moral standpoint when it comes to conditions they may be raised in
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Same, I'm vegan, but I do it cause it's healthier. Many pro athletes are vegan.
1 likei love u ✊
0 likesgod made deez animals for a reason , He Controls it , and he never says u cant eat it (except some)
1 likeif animals are friends not food then why are they made of food
0 likesI'm an agnostic meat eater...now wut
0 likesMan glad you are a christian
0 likesAn agnostic speaking about objective morality...
0 likesHe kept talking specifically about "animals getting shot in the head and their throats slit" it's like 'aight we get it
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And the best part is, animals dont get shot in the head or throats slit to be slaughtered. Unless its like 1 animal that a small farmer raised. But in any other slaughter house they dont get shot or throats slit. And he talked about feminism positively. Assuming he agrees with that, its funny because many animals are killed similarly to unborn babies. But animals have purpose, they are eaten for nourishment. Brain-sucked unborn babies have no purpose, they are just disposed of.
9 likesExactly. If u want an animal to be safe, buy or adopt it
3 likes@Danny Williams yes they do the small farmers the ones that don’t be doing the shit
2 likes@Slauderek You are not allowed to adopt animals owned by factory farms. Because they own those animals. Basically slavery
7 likes@Danny Williams Why do you believe that animals purpose to give humans nutrition. What is the purpose of your life? I don't think you would say it is to be nutrition to other animals. I think the purpose of any animals life is to do whatever they want, just like you and me.
10 likesThe thing is I'm assuming you are against animal abuse and uneccassary killing. You can not avoid animal cruelty if animals are seen as products and not has innocent lives. You have been given a morality, sense of judgement, and vegan alternatives (unlike animals). Yet you still choose to go against you're own morality and cause uneccessaary death.
@AML academy No they don't, if a bullet was used for every slaughtered animal, farmers would waste alot of money, look it up, no firearms are used. And no slitting of throats either its just not effective and how is someone gonna slit an animals throat without getting hurt. It isnt an instant death
2 likes@Sarbjot Singh i believe that it is their purpose if they were slaughtered. The purlose for the slaughter was to feed people. And yea eating meat as of right now is neccessary. Your bodies need protien and their isnt enough nuts to go around for everyone to have a healthy amount of protein in their bodies.
4 likes@Danny Williams not bullets they use devices that puncture the head of the animal
1 like@Sarbjot Singh Also, animals don't "do whatever they want" they have instincts to survive, they dont get bored everyday and have the emotions that we have. Of course it is evident that they have some sort of emotion but it is not comparable to humans. Animals don't have near the brain potential to act as humans do.
3 likes@AML academy Yes that is true, bit that is not getting shot in the head as the guy was implying. It is a more effective way to kill them with less suffering.
1 like@Danny Williams " The purlose for the slaughter was to feed people". So if I raised a bunch of cats and dogs for slaughter than thats okay? That's kinda messed up man, I don't think anyone thinks like that.
6 likesThere is enough protien in plants. Look at india. Look at all the vegan body builders that do not take protien shakes or supplements. Many that are probably way stronger than you.
@Danny Williams it’s actually more because most of the time it doesn’t instantly kill the animal and they have to do it multiple times while the animal struggles
1 like@Danny Williams Pigs are smarter than dogs, yet we still kill pigs. So I don't think you believe what you are saying.
7 likesHave you heard of the name that trait argument? Essentially you cannot name a trait of some animal, that if a human had that trait then it would morally justify killing that human.
For example if a human had the intellegence of a fish would it morally justify killing that human for a quick meal, even though nobody really needed that meal to survive.
Most humans are argubally causing more harm to the planet than good, which can be considered a really dumb thing to do, therefore it's okay to kill them for a sandwitch?
Please be respectful and take veganism seriously. It's hardly even a choice when people become vegan. It is a paradigm shift, a change in perspective. We realized we were wrong in our actions and we had a moral obligation to live a different way. I can't go back on that even if I wanted to. Are you against animal abuse? Then you're already vegan at heart. Align your actions with your ethics, the only thing you'll regret is not doing it sooner. ✌️
4 likesAppearantly you don't get it or youd be vegan. Harming innocent beings needlessly is coward shit.
3 likes@Sarbjot Singh This is a false equivalence to the tee, my goodness. Humans and animals are not on the same level, we have dominion over them. I also find it funny how you keep talking about “morals” when morals themselves are subjective?? There isn’t a set in stone moral code for all. What YOU might consider to be upholding your own morals, I may see as destroying my own.
0 likes@sbright21 I would assume you think that animal cruelty is wrong. When we see animals as products and not as life that should be allowed to live freely then we cannot avoid animal cruelty.
0 likesI would assume you think that uneccassary killing is cruel and bad, therefore against your morals.
If you do not hold these beliefs than that is unfortunatley and I would hope you reconsider your morals, it would lead to a happier world overall.
@Sarbjot Singh animal cruelty? Sure, it’s wrong. However, it’s not like we are killing the animals and just throwing them away (for the most part), people eat it so I don’t consider it “unnecessary”. All life is sacred to a certain extent but I don’t believe animals and humans are on the same level. We have dominion over them. I don’t like how they go about getting and slaughtering the animals but I also don’t care enough 🤷🏾♂️ mix some greens with the meat and I figure I’ll be ok. Side note, I don’t chase happiness, friend. It’s a fleeting emotion that comes and goes no matter the circumstance. I chase peace and understanding. It’ll serve you much better in life.
0 likes@sbright21 it's more than just wrong. Billions of livestock suffer everyday. It's cruelty at the largest scale. If those were dogs in the gas Chambers we would be up in arms. We just conditioned to be heartless so the meat industry can profit. It is completely uneccessary because we can be healthy on planets alone. You don't have to value animals as same as humans. Just value them more than your taste buds. That's all it is. We kill them because they taste good. For 5 minutes of pleasure on our tongue. Most selfish thing we do. We can not inconvenience ourselves to the slightest such that the animals can live live a life without being subjected to horrible conditions and pre mature death.
0 likes@Sarbjot Singh where is this energy for the HUMAN atrocities that go on everyday lol. Like I understand it’s fucked up, but those animals are going to get killed regardless and people are still going to eat it..regardless. It’s sucks but it is what it is. It’s not my fight. I’d rather focus on the people actually losing their lives to sex trafficking or modern slavery. It’s def a problem, I get what you’re saying. Just bigger things in the world to worry about 🤷🏾♂️
0 likesLet’s go to the wild and ask the lions to stop killing gazelles
0 likesMass animal extinction reaction lmao
0 likesProfessional boxer
0 likesJidion is so bad at debating 😭😭😭 he needs to stick to being goofy
0 likesThem talking : jdion just interrupting the vegan
7 likesHe talked shii then wanted you on his podcast lmaoo Buddy weird
0 likesThe amount of times he said: “they got shot in the head and their throats slit” is ridiculous
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@That Guy EFRAIN yea but we get it bro u don’t needa make the same point 1000 times
0 likes@LUCAS still doesnt convince people. What will convince people?
3 likesThat is literally how it happens tho. The fact you find him mentioning it ridiculous but not that it actually happens is itself pretty ridiculous.
2 likes@Sarbjot Singh it’s like what Jidion says they can sit there and talk about not eating meat all day. But it’s not gonna make the vegan eat meat again and it’s not gonna make jidion not eat meat. Everybody believes in something else and all we can do is respect it
0 likesJust talk about the animals slowly dying out on the fields when exposed to pesticides. Or the animals being shot in the head when hunters kill them to protect the crops. You need to practice a lot of hypocrisy to be a vegan.
0 likes@Kreed2k Let them live out their lives the best you can. Don't let them out of enclosures to get shot. Most of the livestock will be gone in under 20 years.
0 likesBro said the Bible justifies slavery; I've never been more sure that someone has not read the Bible I my life.
0 likesThé goat jidion
0 likesVegan guy was chill i kinda like him except that his is vegan just my opinion
1 likeI just don’t care enough to take meat out of my diet
0 likesim glad the guy could actually have a debate but hes still so far from reality lol we as humans eat meat and plants same as other living things in nature, yeah theres no joy in killing an animal to eat but theres no joy in surivial and we need to eat meat along with other stuff to survive.
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We don't need to eat meat to survive. According to the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics, vegan diets are appropriate for all stages of the life cycle (pregnancy, infancy, childhood, etc.).
0 likes@Andre C. you don't need meet to "survive" but you need it to live.
0 likesYeah he shouldn’t protest all killing of animals, we just shouldn’t be torturing them in the process :-/
0 likes@JiDion WHY YOU GOTTA YELL IN THE MIC LIKE THAT!?!?!?
0 likesokay but animals kill other animals way more brutally than we kill them as part of the food chain how is it any different if his argument was overeating that’s different
1 likeDo vegans not know that bears would kill them if they had the chance? Like bro its called a food chain we eat animals.
6 likesBeyond meat lol
0 likespeople need to understand the food chain. we evolved because of hunting so why tf i got someone who eats plants tell me not to put food on the table.
0 likesVegan: "We need to protect animals cause its wrong to shoot animals in their head and eat them!"
7 likesMeanwhile in the wild: Lions: "WHERE YOU GOING MR.GAZELLE?! LEMME BITE INTO YOUR JUGULAR AND THEN ME MY HOMIES FINNA RIP YOUR STOMACH OPEN AND EAT YOUR FLESH!"
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Nature is all about survival of the fittest. Humans are the superior species on earth. If any other animal had it their own way and were the most superior and intelligent species, they’d set up their own slaughter houses too. Yes we’re at a point where we don’t need to hunt in the wild or eat meat if we don’t have to but that’s how things are. The only way to ensure an animal lives a safe and happy life is to buy it and watch over it like a farmer. If u don’t do that it’s fair game for another animal to hunt it or for a human to hunt it. The only exception is if it’s going extinct
2 likesEven if vegans leave the animals alone doesn’t mean those animals won’t attack or kill us like either way it contradicts it self
0 likesAre you a lion?
1 like@Slauderek their wild animals I’m sure if vegans tried living with them in the wild the animal wouldn’t hesitate to eat them
0 likes@thelostbassist Humans need meat to. Without meat our ancestors from the stone age wouldnt have developed theirs brains enough to get where we are today.
0 likesWithout meat humans are literally just making their bodies physically weaker
@thelostbassist I'm Snoop Lion baby
0 likesPlants have feelings too you know?
0 likesIt is a diet bro hahaha
0 likesWhen jidion brought up the Bible he automatically earned all my respect and gives glory to God makes him my favorite YouTuber. God bless all you guys 🙏
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I like ur pfp is that Chris Paul
1 like@YuAPushyBich it's Kyrie Irving
0 likesImagine using religion in a debate in 21st century.
0 likes@⚔️SorcererKiller15⚔️ um.. the guy from nhl? What do you mean by that?
0 likes@samyak agrawal What is that supposed to mean?
0 likesWhat if GOd made cows so that we can eat them
0 likesI wouldn’t go vegan i feel theres no point cause if I stopped eating meat it wouldn’t change the fact the meat would still be made or eaten by other people but I respect the people who are vegan
0 likesVegans that are vegan for the “protection of animals” are actually built different. They really don’t get that crop land takes up much more space than animal farms (at least for the same caloric benefit). By utilizing more space for crop land, you significantly lower species diversity. Not only that, but a lot of crops are imported (things like soy and rice), this contributes to the extinction and death of animals in two ways; 1. Some underdeveloped countries utilize the slash and burn technique, which leaves land destroyed and unable to create plant life for decades. 2. Shipping and international movement, this can contribute to the movement of invasive species, germs, and diseases, as well as add to the amount of atmospheric pollution. Simply put, these types of vegans have to be trolling. I do agree that cows are probably extremely bad, but meat as a whole? Nah.
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1 likeFella a cow is a dream to the average person in africa. Meat is not cheap in the real world
7 likesAnd Animals eat Animals
0 likes@Lucas bro you make it seem as if cows just don’t exist in Africa but they do and it’s not that hard to come by the average person in Africa doesn’t not dream of cow meat it’s pretty common
1 likeAnimal agriculture is the second leading contributor to green house gas emissions which correlates to the global warming issue we have today .......not vegan but that is a big issue with eating meat.
11 likes@Lucas Are you that ignorant? You think meat isnt common in africa? Wiat, how many cultures in africa do you think are solely plant based diets? Im gonna tell you now, not alot if any.
4 likesTakes more crops to feed animals than people. We would decrease overall crops if world went vegan. We can find ways to be more effiecient with our food. Those animals aint getting their life back.
15 likes@Sarbjot Singh They’re animals. Most of these fuckers don’t even have the competence of a child. Their life wouldn’t amount to anything more than eating, sleeping, shitting, and reproducing. Animals are victims of the effects of natural selection. We developed into a relatively genius species, so the value of everything in the world is now based on how it benefits us. That’s why dog breeds exist and farm animals are food. Even though it’s no longer necessary, the fact of the matter is that this hierarchy of our world was the next evolution of basic survival.
1 like@Watermelon Man Just because we cann oppress animals doesnt mean we should. I think we can expect humans to choose to be better than animals in terms of morality and empathy.
5 likesIn terms of competence have you heard of the name that trait argument. Essentially you cannot name a trait of some animal, that if a human had that trait then it would morally justify killing that human.
For example if a human had the intellegence of a fish would it morall justify killing that human for a quick meal, even though nobody really needed that meal to survive.
I hope that our genius species can realize that we do not need to torture and kill animals for no good reasons. I hope we can jump that very low bar. I hope you become less selfish in terms of thinking that everthing is here to benifet us only.
@Watermelon Man finally someone that knows what he is talking about. Like honestly, cows only purpose is to serve human and animals desires of food, they have no other purpose, if we were to free all of them they would now be food for other predators, and more predators would rise and overpopulate while the cows will eventually decrease so much in numbers as they have no protection. So us keeping them in these farms will keep them safer from the outside world of more predators, and keep them from not going extinct. What we’re doing is natural selection like watermelon man said. Also if vegans think there so special why do so many of them have to take protein from pills that isn’t natural? Also meat itself gives more calories to us causing us less hunger as long as we eat the protein from the cows or pigs, or some other animal, not fat. Even though I love the fat of pigs and cows. Protein is one of the main causes of human evolution in the first place, so people need to be grateful for the people that kill these animals to feed so many others; instead of hating them for helping people not go hungry and stay unhealthy. Also a lot of the parts of pigs, cows, and even fish that we don’t eat goes to dogs, cats and zoo animals that need the food to survive. So we are not killing the animals out of self satisfaction, but instead as a way for us to survive, and for so many other animals to as well.
1 likemeanwhile african tribes who have a diet comprised of 80% starches and himalayn tribes who are vegan from 11k years : are we a joke to u??
1 likeA lot of the crop lands we have exist only to support the animal farms, we would need less crop land if there were no animal farms
4 likesHere let me give you the studies that prove you got it all mixed up.
1 likeHere for more info on this planets crisis:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27812156
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10584-014-1169-1
Solve world hunger:
http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/8/3/034015/meta
http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2018/03/20/1713820115
And in case you are considering being plantbased after reading them:
https://youtu.be/U5hGQDLprA8
https://youtu.be/LQRAfJyEsko
About 75% of all worldwide grown plants are grown to feed livestock animals!
2 likesOver 2/3rds of all food grains are fed to animals, please don't be this fucking stupid and confident at the same time.
2 likes@Sarbjot Singh The difference in that argument is that one of those is a member of our species with a disability while the other is a typical animal of another species. It wouldn’t be justified killing a human in that instance because it wouldn’t be justified killing an average human in that circumstance. However, animals are not humans and do not exist on our level of significance. The life of one average human is far more valuable than the life of any average animal. As for my point about everything being here for us, have you not seen the entire world!? Streets, highways, buildings, parks, etc. are all over the world because we as humans have become the lone dominant species. We stole land from who knows how animals to create our various infrastructures (indirect killing) but now it’s a problem because they’re a food source? At the end of the day, individual cows, pigs, etc. don’t matter. It’s about the species as a whole, and not a single one of those animals will go extinct thanks to their usefulness to us. Your moral standpoint only makes sense to you because you value animals at least somewhat equally to humans which is absolutely insane to any normal person.
0 likes@Watermelon Man I do value animals equal to humans, but YOU don't have to. We don't need animals to live healthy life. You just have to value an animals life more than your tastebuds. If you can't even do that then you are extremely selfish because you are causing unccessary suffering and death.
0 likesI don't know why you are so adament about treating humans with dignity while allowing so much cruelty and suffering to animals? As far as I see we are all animals, humans are just a little bit more clever. Personally I have not really achieved any significant (disocoveries, inventions, ect) , so I am not that valuable. In fact I probably cause more harm to the enviroment than good and therefore could be considered less valuable than most animals.
You distinguishing between animals and humans is arbratrary and doesnt have any real moral basis. The reason I want to let animals live is because they can suffer, they want to live, they are innocent, and they have wants and desires. The distinguishing between humans and animals is..... to make an excuse to continue eating a burger? You can not name any trait an animal has that if a human has then we can kill a human and turn into a burger.
To each animal, the survival of their species does not matter, when each one is going through suffering, seeing their children taken away, getting their bodies mutalated, and ending their life way too short. Most of the livestock animals should not exist. They bodies are genetically modified such that it causes them pain to exist.
Why does everything have to benefit humans? If it is not useful to human than destroy it? I hope not every human is as self centered and selfish as you.
@Sarbjot Singh Animals eat a wide variety of crops. Are you familiar with what a dust bowl is? Planting the same crops in the same place numerous times will rob the soil of key nutrients. Crop land as a whole works in detriment to wild animal life. It also works in detriment to developing countries if over utilized, they don’t have the means to mass produce enough for their growing population while protecting endangered species. You have to pick between maintaining this current balance, loss of human life, or loss of animal life. The world is not at the point in which we can all go vegan in even the next fifty years, and even then, a vegan lifestyle is easily not as effective or healthy as a lifestyle with animal proteins.
1 like@Natalia Garcia This is why I say cows have to go. If I’m not mistaken, cows alone contribute more to pollution than all other animals (disregarding humans) combined. Methane gas is worse than carbon emissions.
1 like@Sarbjot Singh “moral basis” yeah okay bud I don’t care what you have to say. Moral basis is the least valuable significance can have because it’s the most subjective. My standpoint is based on objective factors and logical transitions.
0 likesObjective fact: Animals eat other animals, so eating animals in general is not taboo in nature.
Objective fact: Our ancestors hunted and ate animals to survive. That lifestyle led to reproduction and eventually our generation.
Objective fact: We created structure and society as a species.
Objective fact: Humans pass things down to their offspring. Animal-based diets have been a thing for a very long time and have continually been passed down to the evergrowing next generations.
All of these facts led me to the the logical conclusion that our dominance has given us this right to decide how we want to live and that farming and eating animals is justified because we’re simply maintaining a long-standing part of the foundation of our species on a larger scale to accommodate the larger population. You can keep crying about your feelings for animals but it ultimately means nothing. Clearly based on how things are, my viewpoint is the popular one. Different species exist because they all serve a purpose to another species as a source of food or population control. We have simply turned animals a favor by ensuring that their species never goes extinct as long as we live. In return, they feed us. It’s a simple, mutually beneficial relationship between humans and farm animals.
@Watermelon Man
0 likesRebuttal #1: Animals rape other animals so I guess you think thats okay too? gross. Why do you pick and choose things from animals only when they benifet you?
Rebuttal #2: Yes they did. That doesn't justify the uneccassary torturing and death of innocent animals. Many countries have been majority vegetarian for centuries too.....
Rebuttal #3: Yes we did, therefore we should have a heart and do what's right for the animals. Don't care about my feelings, care about the animals feelings. You would prolly beat me up if I hit a dog, but if we torture billions of livestock than that's okay? Your a hypocrit.
Rebuttal #4: "accommodate the larger population." Would be much more sustainable if most people in the world went vegan. If the whole world ate live amercians, holly, the environment would be so screwed. Just google "if the world ate same amount of meat as average american"
Rebuttal #5: "Different species exist because they all serve a purpose to another species as a source of food or population control" Except for humans right? The universe revolves around humans? You think the only value dogs have is to keep a human companionship? So if there was a stray dog that couldn't be kept as a pet then it would be okay to just kill it for some food? Not everthing is for you to exploit man. Live and let live.
Rebuttal #6: "population control" as we forecfully breed 20 billion livestock animals into existance.
Rebuttal #7: "species never goes extinct". Some animals should go extinct because they should never have survived. We genetically bred their bodies to produce ridicoulous amount of eggs and milk. Some chickens cannot support their own weight. Some cows udders are so large that it causes them pain to move around. Would you want to be born as any of these animals and get all the "benifets" humans give lol. Live in pain and misery, get raped, get children taken away, then killed in 0-5 years?
Nothing justifies what we do to them. We are exploiting them unccessarily to make money and to get some flavor on our toungue.
Admit you are a hypocrit. Admit that you support animal cruelty. Admit that you are a pretty selfish person that doesn't actually care about anything unless it benifits you directly.
You should volunteer or something. It will help you learn to sympathise or something.
Someone needs to show him how they actually kills cows. They just shoot air into there brain
0 likesHe’s zoom name was Charles Manson. Beauty
0 likesIn actuality the vegan guy is right no living creature should be kill and held captives.they deserve to live they lives the same way we do.but the problem is some of these vegans be to disrespectful and belligerent to make their point
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I wonder who was more disrespectful in this video. JiDion or the vegan guy?
1 like@Matthew Ware jidion
1 likeYou should have asked him if he thinks its ok that animals hunt other animals, so whats the difference with humans doing it. If anything animals that die from predators suffer a lot more than a shot in the head from humans.
0 likesYou call him a vegan extremist simply for being a vegan activist. Basically, anytime a vegan crosses over from leading a vegan life to trying to spread the message, we are called extreme. Under any other context that would not be the case. Anyway, nice discussion.
3 likesI watched this video eatin ground beef
0 likesI watched this shit, eating a rib
0 likesThese Damn Vegans Trying To Guilt Trip Me
0 likesWho gets PTSD from killing a pig 😭
0 likesbros a hall of fame beefer
0 likesGlad to hear your Christian remember that god told Noah that we can eat animas after the flood so keep that in mind keep making good content
3 likesThis dude said the Bible supports slavery💀
0 likes“With Human dna but no human “ orangutans???
0 likesNahh, Vegan is a Diet not cause people want to save animals 😹💯
3 likesGo see Tyrone!!!!
0 likesThat vegan teacher but is actually a man
0 likesHUH?!?!
Meat is bussin
0 likesLil Nas X to Dababy comment was def racially motivated🤣
0 likesSlaughtering animals was in the Old Testament, God sacrificed his only son (Jesus) so that we may have eternal life in him in the new covenant. So no you don’t kill animals as sacrifices anymore lol
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If he did then sacrifice is part of humanity so thats cap
0 likes@4FRO W4YS what
1 likeTrue
0 likes@4FRO W4YS bruh what, you make no sense lmfao it’s in the Bible foo it’s not cap 😭
0 likesEven more so, in the book of Genesis it straight up says animals are for the use of us people lol
0 likes@Mozilla Firefox again, in the Old Testament, we no longer follow the Old Testament, we do not sacrifice animals anymore, read the Bible
0 likes@Mozilla Firefox answer me this, why did they sacrifice animals ?
0 likes@misery oh yeah I see your point - it's why Jesus is referred to as the Lamb of God because He was the sacrifice for our sins. But with my comment there is no alternative to the consumption of animals - it still applies as no new concept was introduced as an alternative to our use of animals.
0 likeswhys this age restricted?
0 likesi think we all can agree that animals were made for human like if you consider the same anology then why cut up the trees and shit live your life without using trees ig its fair
0 likes"You paid for an animal to be shot in the head and killed". Nah, i just payed for the meat (pause) that shit would've happened happened regardless.
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I guess you never learned about supply and demand in school, lol.
2 likes@TVideoupload I guessing you haven't learned what a joke is throughout your entire boring ass life?
0 likesIf I go to a brothel with underaged girls and pay for the service, it will also still happen if I hadn't gone. If there was a dog fighting ring that I paid a ticket to watch, it still would have happened.
1 likeUnderstand basic supply and demand my friend. It's economics. Stop funding these industries. Vegan products don't just pop up out of nowhere.
@Sarbjot Singh 1. You proved my point, thanks ig. 2. It was a joke, you ain't need to send me a small paragraph for that shit, it ain't that deep.
0 likes@Icyonizuka k
0 likesSuddenly plays: Nirvana Something In The Way
0 likescreated account just to watch this
0 likesYou calling him an extremist is wack
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agreed. whats more extreme: paying for the continous exploitation, abuse and slaughter happening to billions of animals every year OR telling people not to do it?
1 like8:51 they technically do, since we originate from apes and shit, apes would be the closest to humans.
0 likesThou shalt not kill
0 likesPlease be respectful and take veganism seriously. It's hardly even a choice when people become vegan. It is a paradigm shift, a change in perspective. We realized we were wrong in our actions and we had a moral obligation to live a different way. I can't go back on that even if I wanted to. Are you against animal abuse? Then you're already vegan at heart. Align your actions with your ethics, the only thing you'll regret is not doing it sooner. ✌️
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0 likes@mikolaj liberda you shush
3 likesi love u jidion
0 likesDude is obsessed with the throats geeees 😕
0 likesAs a Muslim we have a day what it’s called eid al fither where we sacrifice animals that day and we eat them which was said we shall do in the Quran
4 likesI don’t know about the US but in Swedenborg don’t slit the animals throats
0 likesno cap the Animals be good as fucc
0 likesYou know you lost the argument when you bring the Bible card.
7 likesSame book than condoned and supported slavery.
When Jesus came he said he wanted sacrifice of the soul and the heart, not of animals.
Plus, how can you even remotely compare the living situation of middle East over 2000 years ago with modern day America?
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When man tried to say Bible justifies slavery he messed up. I see wayy to many people try to make this claim and it is straight false. Not only is it from the Old Testament, but it is also taken far out of context and was never said to be ok. There is other scripture that goes directly away from judging others of their skin
2 likesSorry man you clearly aren't a Christian and many non dedicated Christians lack the knowledge to correct those of non believers
1 like@Owen Stieg the Bible clearly states how people should treat their slaves. Some translations even in the new testament refer to slaves as "servants" it's perhaps you that needs to read the context. Slave owners in America refered to these passages in the 19th century to justify owning people. Bad interpretations? Sure, maybe. Just like the Taliban do of the quran.
1 likeI'm glad that was the only thing you could attack about my comment cause you know the rest is 100 % true
@gepeto1993 Servents in Biblical times such as you described are not the same as slaves. I can't describe it all accurately in a small paragraph. So I'll send you a link to a quick 4 minute video on my slaves are not like more modern time ideas of slaves
2 likes@gepeto1993 I'm only want to correct you about the Bible ever condoning owning slaves. But since you think the rest you said is right, I can assure you that also may not be true. I'm not sure what exactly you are talking about when you are taking about when "Jesus came he want to sacrifice the heart and soul, not of animals" Without giving a verse i find it very hard to clarify this possible misunderstanding
0 likes1900s: Lets grab a burger.
0 likes2023: You can be 30 genders and eating meat is bad
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30 000 BC: Ooga booga booga ooga booga ooga
0 likesJidion 7:30 created new religion called Quran. xD
1 likeThis guy is clueless. Who's still not vegan, or at least plant-based in 2021?
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Like more than half the population and almost everyone that doesn’t live in California
1 likeHe wanted the clout
0 likesI ate 3 steak tacos watching this video
0 likes6:55 Genesis 1:29 “And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon all the face of the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for food.”
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In Leviticus 11, the Lord speaks to Moses and Aaron and sets out which animals can be eaten and which cannot: “You may eat any animal that has a divided hoof and that chews the cud. There are some that only chew the cud or only have a divided hoof, but you must not eat them. So he’s telling us witch animals we can eat meaning we can in fact eat animals according to the Bible. Imagine trying to quote the Bible to argue against eating meat lmao.
4 likes@Franz Yeah, the Bible is full of inconsistency. That’s why it’s not smart to plan your life according to what’s in there.
0 likes@ॐ Boi Yet you just quoted the Bible to argue against eating meat. You’re full of hypocrisy and contradictions lol.
4 likes@Franz That’s right, I quoted the Bible to point out an inconsistency for people who say God allows them to eat meat.
0 likesNah he cooked your ass lowkey, sacrificing an animal is hella out dated
1 likeGot my hunting rifle ready bout to head down to the forest
0 likesI believe that God wouldn’t put animals on this planet if we weren’t supposed to eat them. God gave us animals as a gift and something that should be eaten
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There is Daniel from the Bible and I believe he was vegan.
1 likeWe are animals too and there is something called a food chain. But there are carnivores, omnivores and herbivores (and frugivores and insectivores). The animals we eat are bred into existence, we don't kill them naturally like carnivores do. We can easily live without consuming flesh/ things that come from bodies. Why wouldn't we be vegan if we can?
0 likes@A W because we can be carnivores.
0 likesLets be fr here he made a good point but we still gonna eat meat
0 likesI know this nigga did not say “mooooo” 💀💀
0 likes✝️God loves you so much! Come to him and experience his love for you. Come to him, it ain’t no coincidence that your seeing this :). God wants a relationship with you.✝️
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Amen 🙏🏽
2 likesSounds weird
1 likeIf we were all vegan we would weigh the same as as females lol
0 likesIt’s the food chain
0 likesLove most of your stuff JiDion, but paying someone to kill a defenceless animal who just wants to live in peace and chill, just so that you can bite down on their flesh for literally no good reason at all is straight up cowardly dawg. I hope that you recognise that Jesus Christ, the guy your faith is built on, the Prince of Peace, wouldn't hurt anybody, animals or humans, if he didn't have to. By choosing to pay for innocent defenceless animals to be butchered for your taste pleasure, you're not only the devil from the animal's perspective but you're also letting Christ down, man.
5 likesMuch love, but because I respect you man, I had to be real with you about your choices. Looking forward to your future vids where you leave animals the f*** out of. Peace and love to you, brother. I hope you can extend not even love, but just the basic respect you give to animals like dogs and cats to all animals, just leaving them be and not paying others to slice their throats for you so that you can put their bodies/ body parts on a grill.✌🏾
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It’s crazy how animals can kill other animals but when we do it, it’s the worst thing in the world
3 likes@Kris-Camron Williamson do other animals have moral agency like us? No. Do other animals kill out of necessity whereas we don’t? Yes
1 likeI love steak sorry to break it to ya
0 likesdude you cant really bring ancient fantasy books that people like to live according to into a civil discussion or at the very least it is a shitty argument
0 likesJiDion ptting out bangers every time, but comparing sacrificing a lamb once a year respectfully for religious reasons to eating millions of abused mass bred animals that live under unhumanly conditions, thats some bullshit my man. Your 'love and respect' for the vegan dudes beliefes doesn't help any of the animals that god gave us to live with and to take care of.
4 likesLiked every video of yours man, but thats a dislike my man. Looking forward to more bangers
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L Human get yo ah outta here
1 likeThat “shot in the head, slit in their throat” was kinda dumb
0 likesThe Bible does not accept slavery🤦🏽♂️ that was the Old Testament. Also the meaning of slavery was different in the Bible times then now.
3 likesit is natural to eat other animals like animals eat other animals it is a way of life I LOVE MEAT AND SO DOES LUFFY
0 likesI NEEDA Ah Bible Rn !
0 likesThis guy is nice but lacks empathy.
3 likesI will pray for him to learn to love the human animal and all other animals.
If we needed meat to survive it would be justified to eat animals. But eating animals and their secretions is detrimental to the human body
david sounds solid bro listen to bro
0 likeswhen dababy better then lil nas x
1 likeThe vegan guy is right. Killing animals needlessly is wrong. How can we be against animal cruelty and then kill animals unnecessarily for food
5 likesIn eating two burgers rn
0 likesthis guy is not from finland wtf
0 likesMy moms got that same apron
0 likesman talking about objective morality when hes an agnostic
0 likesThis dude obvs deep in the closet just come out bruh
0 likesbrodie its natural we are the predators killing them to eat happens everyday to all animals if it wasnt us it would just be wolfs or other predators
0 likesJidion didnt pay too slaughter a cow that shit already happend or do u think u pick out ure cow like a lobster 😂
1 likeJidion is noting but fax
0 likesThe world was created by God this way
1 likeas a plant-based atheist, i just want to know.. did you at least enjoy the impossible meat?
0 likesThat guys only argument was that animals get slit in the throat and get shot in the head
0 likeswould he rather we rip them apart and eat them alive?
In Islam the animal is not meant to feel any pain at all, it must submit and accept it’s fate prior to killing it. You’re not at all meant to hurt it and if you do the meat is deemed haram (forbidden) as it’s not done correctly and involved suffering.
0 likesSoo... Now I don't like the random white guy tho.. for sure has some..hidden feels lol🤣
0 likesI’m going to a steakhouse tomorrow
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i’ll pay
1 likeSo no more eating cooking meat at vegan restaurants😰😢??
1 likebro making it seem that the animals get gassed bruh
0 likes“The Bible justified slavery”: Moses
0 likes6:57 its the same in islam its part of hajj to sacrifice a lamb or sheep
0 likesBro was asking for 250k on insta, noe at 1mil
0 likesDoes this guy think lions go around waiting for things to die peacefully then eat their dead body
0 likesYou should have told him that if non vegans kill animals,then vegans take part in deforestation 🌝
0 likesHow have I never seen this
0 likesI can give an explanation for not giving this guy a subscription
0 likesThis actually is a pretty legit debate on both ends. I do eat the fuck out of some meat tho.
0 likesW vegan W JiDion tbh
1 likeBro their put down peacefully 😂
0 likes😂 funny how animals r made on the earth to be eat if not u going to be seeing dam cows walking the streets lmao
1 likeBro tigers and other dangerous animals rip their prey to pieces while its still alive I don't understand why we have to be different since we have smarter brains and are more aware
0 likesbro it’s the kill chain
0 likesWho else is eating meat while watching this video
0 likesVegans always looked mad & pressed
0 likesHamburgers 🍔🍔🍔🍔🍔🍔🍔🍔🍔🍔🍔🍔🍔🍔🍖🍖🍖🍗🍗🍗🍗🌭🌭🌭🌭🌭🌭🌭🌭🌭🍟🍟🍟🥓🥓🥓🥓🥓taste good
2 likesSo animals can eat other animals but us humans who are also animals can’t eat other animals
0 likesanimals at the top of the food chain are meant to eat their underlings. humans are at the top so why can’t they eat meat too? aren’t we animals just like them
1 likeLOL we got the same dragon ball wallpaper
0 likesHomeboy pigs and animals have been eating other animals since the day humans walked the earth.
0 likesDon’t care + AnimalsK
0 likesMeat bomb af and I bless god for Meat
theyre animals bruh
1 likeWhy tf does he live in my country bro😭..
0 likesso what this guy is really saying is he is against halal food, cos he was singling out the throat cutting and pain, whereas non halal meat is done via instant methods
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but non halal food can cause many diseases
0 likes@blex Frouts maybe idk bout that, i don't really bother with it tbh, just seems like what this vegan dislikes is halal
0 likes"they get their throats slit and shot in the head to give you a burger" bro thats not how they do it lol yes they still kill them but they treat the animals very humanely. hes thinking about hunters
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That’s exactly how they do it. Bolt gun to the head the Knife to kill and bleed out. Haven’t u seen any slaughterhouse footage. Watch dominion doco.
2 likesHow do u humanly kill an animal that doesn’t want to die and doesn’t need to. Impossible
@Veganix propaganda
0 likesHe acting like the animals aren’t already dead
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https://youtu.be/hXmB9zsAQ_E they are killed live
0 likes@blex Frouts i already know how messed up it is when they kill them but im saying the animals already dead when he eats it its not coming back they killed it befor he even gog it
0 likesdababy is way better than lil nas x so he complimented him.
0 likesAnimals taste good, fight me
0 likesThat nigga wz mad fr😂
0 likesi’ll stop eating other animals when wolves and hyenas stop
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The difference is wolves and hyenas do it to survive. You do it for taste pleasure.
0 likesYou went from lil nas x to da baby real quick 😡
0 likesThey don’t get shot in the head or their throats slit and I know that for a fact. They do it humanely
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Mind telling me how it's done?
0 likesage restricted!?!
1 likehear me out ok how is it ok when animals that live in the forest eat other animals to survivive but we cant
0 likesI like jidion but the vegan is right
0 likesGod gave us these animals to eat like bruh we don’t keep them as pets
0 likesIon think the vegans realize so many more animals die because of the pesticides used to keep them away from their precious crops. And those animals weren’t meant to die at least the ones we use for food have one purpose and were never wild animals.
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fr. i was hoping jid brings it up. if u really care bout animals, u gotta grow plants in your house for food. not buying
1 likeBro you wouldn't sacrifice a lamb anyway
0 likesLet’s be honest, if all humans were vegan we would be skinny as fucking Dr. Doofenshmirtz’ nose
0 likesLike nigga there’s a thing called a life’s cycle smh
1 likeBibble does not encourage slavery it says You have the choice if you want to be a slave and you can sell yourself into slavery. Also if you do that you are treated very well the owner obligated to give the slave the bed of his choice. So that Finnland guy is wrong and should get his fax right
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I am god
0 likesi love animals to eat
0 likesMOOOOOOOOO 😂😂😂
0 likesWhy does vegans believe they can tell everyone what to believe. And not all vegans are vegan cause animals some made the change for health reasons. This dude looked sick anyway he not veganing right 😂.. let live and live how you want what makes you happy.
0 likeshow does him not buying a burger save animals like bruh the cows dead anyways i dont understand how it works
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@DSRReacts i understand what ur saying but a few people stop eating meat doesnt make a big enough impact on these HUGE meant companies, u stopping eating meat is irrelavent if u want to make a change a veryt large number of people would hvae to stop this number is not near high enough so u stopping wont make a differenmce at all cos that peice of meat u never bought someone else will walk down the aisle and buy it
0 likes@DSRReacts yes but people actually want e cars and eventually (fairly soon) we will no loner be using petrol where as alot of people like meat still want to eat meat and the government arent planning on banning meat any time soon
0 likes@DSRReacts true i didnt think about that
0 likesIdc what you say imma eat meat till i die
1 likeIt’s the Natural order of things 🤷🏽♂️
0 likesVegan: it's a fact, not a believe🤡
0 likesDid he say pay for an animal to be shot in the head and have its throat slit why would u shoot and slice?
0 likesThere’s the whole nature argument too, how is it fucked up for me as a human to eat meat when my dogs, cats and pig eat meat all the time, and there not even the top of the food chain
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vegans say we should be better because we have no reason not to be
0 likesAnimals are friends not food
0 likesI couldn't watch this video on smart tv or console app interesting ...
0 likesW for bringing up the Quran
0 likesMurdering anyone or anything is wrong but if the animal is already dead, not eating it isnt going to save it
0 likesI know animal getting killed is sad but there isn’t enough people to complete stop it from happening unless the government doesn’t allow u to eat meat
0 likesThose humanoid things arent animals there well humanoid things
0 likesNo one gets PTSD or depression from killing animals to eat......
0 likesI hunt I kill I butcher I eat
0 likesI love animals to death, I like them more than people lmao. But I still eat animals. They were put here by God for our food.
1 likeAnimal’s throats are slit after they die not before to drain the blood. He leaves that part out on purpose.
0 likesI’m like a normal vegan. Just like someone who cares about their health. From a health standpoint it’s a little fucked up to bring meat into a vegan restaurant. Just a little fucked up still funny tho so you got my like
0 likesI don't understand these people has more guilt killing 2yrs old cow than cutting 50yrs old tree.
0 likesbros a fucking menace
0 likesBig dub
0 likes1:15 new video idea?
0 likesjust watch this video eating meat
0 likesThis guy looks like joe from you
0 likesspecific animals are created for humans to munch on bro
0 likesBro it’s survival of the fittest
0 likesNot sure where this vegan gets info but I watched documentary 2 years ago, with cows they had them get older and about 5-7 years in there life they would kill then peacefully, it wasn’t w a gun or cutting throat. I don’t remember what it was but it was inhumane
0 likesCan one be agnostic if one believes in veganism like if it was a religion with its own rules and bible? 🤔
0 likesIt’s not like u go up to a farmer and say yo I want some bacon and beef. U already buy the meat. It’s already dead. Like your just buying it and I do care about animals but legit it’s always been that way there food. And there animals, animals r food like. From the start of time today it hasn’t changed
1 likeeating meat has to happen cause here in Africa it consists of 70 percent of our diets. SO if we stop eating meat what are we gonna eat
1 likeWhy do animals eat other animals. Oh yea, food chain. 🦃
0 likesWhat tribe are you from Demarcus!
0 likesThese vegans 😂 maybe nowadays u dont need all the power from meat but back in the day taht all u had was a bit of animal skin well u bet no one is vegan then
1 likeThey never shoot a cow in the head wtf
1 likeAnimals will be hunted by other animals in the food chain and have have very painful deaths that way
0 likesI am not vegan because meat smacks bro any meat smacks
1 likeDid anyone see the am I gay thing on his phone
0 likesBeing vegan should be illegal lmao 😂💯
0 likesI love meat 🍖 🥩
0 likesBro why dont animals just get food and fight back
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smart
0 likesLmaoo
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Lollll
1 likeThe Bible says to hunt for survival
0 likes“ the Bible made 1000 years ago” but yet the lord is the same yesterday to day and forever so the lord back then is still your lord to day
0 likes🤣
0 likesmeat eater for life
0 likeswhats with this dude and shooting animals and sliting their throat
0 likesevery goddamn 10 seconds
Banger
0 likes😂
0 likesnot buying beef isnt gonna save the cow my bro it's already dead
0 likes😂
0 likesOverall jidion is right it’s just life animals eat animals humans are still animals we eat other animals even though we might not have to eat meat humans have eaten it for millions of year and life is balanced from over eating extinct animals. Overall eat other animals is just life
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Humans may be animals but we have moral agency. It is what makes us different to wild animals. We should not base our actions on those of wild animals. If we have the means to reduce suffering then we should.
0 likesFor example, animals kill their own, some kill their own children, rape etc. Just because they do it we would never say oh its nature that means we can do it too. As humans we have the capability to decide what is wrong and rationalize
I respect the vegan guy, but at the same time he’s saying the same something over and over again
0 likesBro god put animals for people to eat
0 likesNo animals get shot in the head 🤦♂️
0 likeshow could you be vegan when you got family cookouts and crap, might as well not have thanksgiving
0 likesBelieve me their not buying guns to waiste money and ammo shooting a animal in its head u know how expensive that would be per year
0 likesW Jidion 🔥
0 likesJesus loves you
0 likesAnimals taste good
0 likesgod included animals in the garden of eden in heavan
0 likesFr like JiDion smart
0 likesIs it just me or doea this guy look a little like penn badgley
0 likes1:54 i saw that gay quiz pulled up
0 likesBro its talking about synths
0 likesnegative peace? huh? Bro not everyone can afford a 40 dollar meal at a vegan place smh
0 likesThe bible doesn't condone slavery.
1 like(Just thought I would put this out there)
The bible when talking about slavery is talking about a 7 year where period someone would have to work for their "master" to pay off any debt they had owed them.
Scripture:
Deuteronomy 15:12-18 "12 If your fellow Hebrew—whether male or female—is sold to you and serves you for six years, then in the seventh year you must let that servant[ac] go free. 13 If you set them free, you must not send them away empty-handed. 14 You must supply them generously from your flock, your threshing floor, and your winepress—as the Lord your God has blessed you, you must give to them. 15 Remember that you were a slave in the land of Egypt and the Lord your God redeemed you; therefore, I am commanding you to do this thing today. 16 However, if the servant says to you, “I do not want to leave you,” because he loves you and your household, since he is well off with you, 17 you shall take an awl and pierce a hole through his ear to the door. Then he will become your servant permanently (this applies to your female servant as well). 18 You should not consider it difficult to let him go free, for he will have served you for six years, twice the time of a hired worker; the Lord your God will bless you in everything you do."
(Also to cover up the sacrificial stuff.)
We no long have to sacrifice animals anymore, because Jesus died on the cross thus making him the ultimate sacrifice. There was no repentance when people would sacrifice their animals. It would only cover up the sin, repentance became on option once Jesus died on the cross for ALL SINS this means every time we ask for forgiveness aka repent and we actually turn away from that wrong doing he will forgive us.
Scripture
Hebrews 10:1-14 *10 The old system under the law of Moses was only a shadow, a dim preview of the good things to come, not the good things themselves. The sacrifices under that system were repeated again and again, year after year, but they were never able to provide perfect cleansing for those who came to worship. 2 If they could have provided perfect cleansing, the sacrifices would have stopped, for the worshipers would have been purified once for all time, and their feelings of guilt would have disappeared.
3 But instead, those sacrifices actually reminded them of their sins year after year. 4 For it is not possible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins. 5 That is why, when Christ came into the world, he said to God,
“You did not want animal sacrifices or sin offerings.
But you have given me a body to offer.
6 You were not pleased with burnt offerings
or other offerings for sin.
7 Then I said, ‘Look, I have come to do your will, O God—
as is written about me in the Scriptures.’”
8 First, Christ said, “You did not want animal sacrifices or sin offerings or burnt offerings or other offerings for sin, nor were you pleased with them” (though they are required by the law of Moses). 9 Then he said, “Look, I have come to do your will.” He cancels the first covenant in order to put the second into effect. 10 For God’s will was for us to be made holy by the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ, once for all time.
11 Under the old covenant, the priest stands and ministers before the altar day after day, offering the same sacrifices again and again, which can never take away sins. 12 But our High Priest offered himself to God as a single sacrifice for sins, good for all time. Then he sat down in the place of honor at God’s right hand. 13 There he waits until his enemies are humbled and made a footstool under his feet. 14 For by that one offering he forever made perfect those who are being made holy.*
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1 likeIt’s food chain 👍but I don’t support exotic hunting
0 likesIf vegans want to save animals why do they insist on eating their food
0 likesY is Hutch talking like that
0 likesThis sounds like a Islamic debate
0 likesSUOMI MAINITTU!!!
0 likesI think plants are more useful than animals… vegans killing plants affects our air, and our environment way more than killing a few animals will
2 likesWhere is the proof that people who end a animals life has or gets ptsd and where is the proof they get shot in the head or sliced in the neck yea they did that back in the day but is his thort facts or him just making up Sana’a iOS so we sound bad
0 likesno one talkin bout how the thubmnail says ted bundy on the bottom.
0 likeswhy you got lotion on your desk 🤨😪🤨
0 likesas a muslim every time a vegan comes up to me I ask why God or why animals exist and they are ment to be eaten
0 likeslet me in google
0 likesHe Is a mast debater
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Not like that tho
0 likesMaster debater hahaha I get the reference
0 likesBro forgot that animals kill each other
0 likesLil nas x to dababy💀
0 likesKeeping all animals alive would be awful it would pollute the world, overpopulate the world etc leading to the animal living a worse life plus if i was a pig i wouldn’t want to be a pig
0 likeswhy do people care about people eating animals. SOFT
0 likesYou also left out the point that plants technically do feel pain and they are a living thing so technically you're killing a living thing there for you can't escape the negativity neither way you eat and I'm talking about every species not just humans when you eat you are killing like beans or bread the end result you're still killing something so honestly both sides of the argument is a joke we need to treat our animals better true but my point is you can't escape death when it comes to your stomach
0 likesBro talkin in old testament
0 likeswait so do animals get shot in the head and their throats slit? i wasnt really sure since that guy didnt really specify
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Depending which animal. Cows do get a bolt gun then all animals knife in throat to kill them and bleed out. Watch documentary on called Dominion for free to see what legal standard practice
0 likesPigs are mostly killed by gas chamber which is horrendous
Go watch dominion
1 like@Haxu Haxu propaganda
0 likesAssassin 9958 sure thing buddy 👍
1 like@Haxu Haxu so you can’t actually prove that it isn’t propaganda?
0 likesZephyrous that’s not how the burden of proof works buddy 👍
1 like@Haxu Haxu who said anything about the burden of proof? just because you stated that, it means you’re only trying to instigate here. you brought up the so-called “evidence”, and when i asked whether or not you could actually prove it or not, you retreat into a pseudo-intellectual “rebuttal”? you’re really digging yourself a hellhole here.
0 likesZephyrous Nope 👎 someone asked if animals get shot in the head and their throats slit. Dominion shows the reality of factory farming. Hand waving it away by saying propaganda doesn’t actually prove that it is propaganda. Nice try though buddy 👍
1 like@Haxu Haxu yeah, someone asked if animals get shot in the head and their throats slit. however, when you offer a documentary that cherry-picks its scenes in an attempt to put the subject in a bad light, and pass it off as evidence, it really doesn’t help your argument here. another thing, you didn’t even TRY to explain or prove anything in the first place. all you actually did was tell someone to watch a government shilled documentary without even explaining why. so, tell me, who’s actually doing the hand waving here, because you still haven’t actually proved that ‘Dominion’ isn’t propaganda. stop being a silly pseudo-intellectual and get your head out of your ass.
0 likes@Haxu Haxu i think the low level of sarcasm went directly over your head
0 likesWhy is Ted bundy on the clickbait
0 likesBurger good so I eat
0 likesWhat’s the song at the end
0 likesI never understand when vegans talk about how killing animals is bad but plants are living things too. Their new diet should be eating dirt
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true 😂
0 likesFaze rugin you didn’t go see Tyron ☹️
0 likesHuman like animals tf
0 likeslil nas x to dababy ya I would rather be dababy lol
0 likesYeah sure lets just release all animals and never kill them, that will work.
0 likesI’m the Bible it says in Levicticus 11 1-47 you aren’t supposed to eat or even touch the carcasses of a pig, a camel, a hare, and a rock badger(land creatures). And for those in the sea you can eat anything with fins and scales. If not find and scales then don’t eat or even touch.(sea creatures). And for those in the air such as birds don’t eat at all.
0 likesJiDion, love you man. Your point on Christianity is semi wrong though. Yes in the Old Testament Christians slaughtered sheep and other animals - because it was to get rid of our sins. After Jesus was hung on that cross and died for us we no longer need to sacrifice anything because of that.
0 likesSomeone on my fucking account, I keep subscribing and it always shows that I'm not subscribed? What the fuck 😂
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I've resubscribed like 12 times now
0 likesTf? YouTube tryna put you off
0 likes@Sav fr dawg
0 likesWhat is the song at the end
0 likesthe meat is already there. lo the animal is long sead. wasting the meat would be worse loll
0 likesSunken eyes
0 likesThis guy one me over icl I used to be vegan and is was so fkn annoying when people would shit talk u because someone else said something dumb 98% of vegans are just normal man
0 likeswhy was he repeating everys second animals are shot in the head and have their throat slit
0 likesReligion does exist and should be respected but to the extent of having to kill sentient creatures does seem archaic af to me.
0 likesPeople in the bible used to sacrifice animals to get their sins forgiven. After Jesus died on the cross we don't have to sacrifice animals anymore. Because Jesus took all the sin of the word away by his sacrifice on the cross.
0 likesI’m not a vegan but I feel like what jidion did was disrespectful. He should respect peoples boundaries. It’s like I go to a church and say fuck god or fuck Jesus. It wasn’t the right thing to do
1 likeSo killing an animal in “Halal” way is ok
0 likesthe bible does not justify slavery 😭 what is bro saying
0 likesNgl animal eat people and we eat them But they against us eating animal 😂but they can eat us call it vagan 😭👎
0 likesthe animal is already dead, might as well eat it 💀
0 likesJust sayin real meat would’ve been 100% justified. You don’t have to bend or break when someone calls you out. It’s a free country, you’re entitled to your opinion. So troll away
0 likesNOT ALL VEGANS SUPPORT ANIMALS. DONT HATE ALL VEGANS.
0 likesbut W mans
0 likesThe only think about the Bible argument is that we don't believe in sacrificing Animals anymore, because of Jesus
0 likesLol I’m sorry but I just can’t be a vegan … I love my meat
0 likesSo a lion is wrong to kill an antelope because the antelope felt pain before it died we humans don’t have claws and teeth how the hell are we supposed to get meat if not with the tools we create.
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It’s not wrong to survive. U shouldn’t lol to lions to get your morals. They kill cubs and stuff
0 likes@Veganix morality is subjective
0 likesWhen he said that the slitting of throats is evil and not good. He was right and wrong. He reason biblical sacrifices happen is for paying for your sin . A death in replace for your death(you sinning) . God does not want death. It literally says that in genesis when he banished Adam and eve. He does not want death.
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Te devil is the reason for sacrifice. Jesus be killing you. Jesus is stronger that's why we don't sacrifice anymore. Because go's sacrificed Jesus. Don't disrespect my religion bro.
0 likesanimal agriculture is the number one emitter of carbon dioxide. number one user of natural water. number one user of land. number one reason for deforestation. One quarter pound hamburger takes 660 gallons of water to produce, that is the equivalent of leaving your standard shower running for 2 months.
0 likesI LOVE animals, and I truly think animal abuse should absolutely stop. But I would never change my eating ways, just because I love them. Eating meat is not wrong, and some vegans need to realize that. Some of y’all need to realize that animals are put on this earth for eating, not abusing but eating. As much as I love cows, pigs, and others animals, doesn’t change the fact that there absolutely delicious.
0 likesDoes the world even have enough non animal food for everyone to be vegan?
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If everyone was vegan then more people would grow non animal food due to the law of supply and demand
1 likebro wants to talk about how sacrificing lambs and shit was outdated and also says how the bible justifies slavery is such a contradiction lmao. bc slaves then werent what the modern definition of slavery is
0 likesyow jidion you should read about islam
1 likeMy argument against vegans is that it’s the circle of life. The smarter and stronger animal is going to win, and in the end no vegans telling a lion to stop eating zebras.
0 likesIn Islam there are rules in slaughtering an animal:
0 likes1) the animal must NOT be a carcass
2) the animal must NOT be weak or ill
3) carnivores and non ruminants are PROHIBITED
4) a knife MUST be used. Other methods like shocking are PROHIBITED
5) knife must be hidden, sharp and cut jugular vein quickly (which is fastest method)
6) pork meat is PROHIBITED
Also worth mentioning:
1) eating meat is NOT compulsory
2) the prophet Muhammed (PBUH) said to leave one third for his food, one third for his drink and one third for his breath ie. to eat and drink proportionally
3) wasting food is PROHIBITED
DISCLAIMER: Do not hold me accountable for this information. Please use this as a base of your research❤️
L debate tbh. *my opinion
0 likesJidions a Christian? Ma nigga 🤝✝️✝️
0 likesNew wave
0 likesSAVE THE PLANTS!!!
eating 2x as much meat from here on out so that one vegan who this he/she is making a difference actually is not
I love to eat animals
1 likeBro if animals weren't meant to be eaten why are they made of meat?
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That's why I eat humans
0 likesAllah(god) is the greatest
0 likesVegans have their own beliefs, non-vegans have their own beliefs. No party should try protest against the other's beliefs, or try and push their own beliefs into other's lives. For example, I am a Muslim, I can eat meat, but pork, squid, octopus, mussels, and other seafood of this kind are not permissible for me to eat, due to religious restrictions. I can tolerate any other person forcing me to believe that I should eat them, because it is against my beliefs. Everyone should respect people's beliefs based on their religion, culture, and ethnicity. Another example, is LGBTQIA+ which is considered impermissible in my religion. If anyone is pushing their beliefs against my religious beliefs, it is absolutely wrong. If you believe in something, you do not need to "normalize" it by making it the norm, and criticize those who go against it. It is a free-world, and every human being can believe what they want to believe. Stop "modernizing" and "normalizing". You do you.
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0 likesI mean that if you don't eat meat then the animal population will increase and then everything will just go crazy because then we will need more homes for the animals so more money spent and then some animals will be dieing because of no food so this is kind of like a food change like the food change in the ocean. One animals has to eat eachother so everyone benifits. Long comment sry.
0 likesVegans get but hurt 😂
0 likesThat vegan guys analogy sucked DNA does not make us human it's our soul and cognitive abilities that makes us human
0 likes#dontfreeanimals
0 likesDude just wanted to hear himself talk. He just wouldn't shut up and kept interrupting. There's no such thing as vegan in nature. You gonna wait three months for fruits, vegetables, and wheat to grow? Can't. Meat is food, and the approach of it is the big thing, not the consumption of it.
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What do u mean no such thing as vegans in nature my brother…
0 likes@JC I mean, if we're out in the wild, and don't have anything to eat, how do we eat? Meat. It's how we clothe ourselves from the cold. It's how we arm ourselves. We make tools from the bones and backstraps for bows. I'd love a rhino horn tipped spear, instead of just a stick. The animals are living and that's to teach us the true value in life. The thing we consume has consumed other things. It's the circle of life, not to get too cliché about it.
0 likes@Salty Sergeant you ever seen a elk eat an animal? Those fuckers weigh 500 + pounds too how do you think they eat?
0 likes@JC I understand that they are MEANT to eat solely plants. We are omnivores. We know this, because we eat both. Also, trying to say that it's 500 lbs due to eating berries and other flora is just not true. The animal's structure is different. It has giant antlers that account for quite a bit of that weight, and that's just bone and skin. No fat on the antlers.
0 likesEvery vegan needs to watch animal planet. A lions not gonna go vegan cuz it’s morally wrong to kill an animal 😂
0 likesWhy he keep talking about slitting animals throats
0 likesLmao he just paid for the meat bruh😂🤦🏻He never physically kill the animal bruh, these vegan people over exaggerate
0 likesIg trash not even on any socials anymore only ones i like is yt twitch
1 likebut like… animals kill other animals
0 likesNo cap rare jidion L regarding his religious beliefs
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what part is an L?
0 likesAnimals eat other animals. It's normal.
0 likesDo u skate jidion
0 likesWth is a femmenist restraunt
0 likes😤 FKN Tyron
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0 likesW Vid W YouTuber
0 likesBruh idgaf about killing animals or not. Problem is, its causing a huge stress on climate change and our environment and at that point it is no longer about what the bible says or who loves animals. There wont be a future for our grandchildren if we keep on stressing the climate like that.
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You should still care about the animals though
0 likesSo what the fuck is the point of a chicken then? It’s literally meant to be food.
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Hunters do not shoot animals in the head.
0 likesThe Bible said god gave us animals for food
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Bible also preaches practice of slavery. That argument doesn't work.
0 likesvegan j repeating the same thing....
0 likesHonestly we'd all be healthy of we stopped eating meat, that's the objective truth.
0 likesNgl i feel like u were faze rugging it this vid???
1 likeAnimals hunt other animals. It’s the way of life.
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0 likesEnd of the day God created animals certain animals to be eaten, it's a cycle of life, and the intelligent species which is human dominate the world
0 likesDid bro say that the bible justified slavery? Maybe it do or maybe it don’t cuz idunno. All I know is that a citation from the bible states : “Good Christians do not participate in slave trade”. But the bible was ofc written by a lot of people over the course of history. I know that it does support racism sometimes but that is understandable because that was pretty normal until 200 years ago.🤷♂️ But it is also strongly against racism meant to harm others.
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it never supports racism
0 likes@Bruh Moment Everything supports racism. Everyone uses racism but not everyone uses it to harm others.
0 likes@Ψ-14 we are talking about the bible so stay on topic. also god never used racism, if you believe in him, because he didn't create them to say some are better than others because of their skin, that would go against himself.
0 likes@Bruh Moment God isn’t a race.
0 likes@Bruh Moment Bro you just said “some are better than others.” Wtf dude!💀😂
0 likes@Ψ-14 i meant to say he didnt create them i edited it. i never said god was a race
0 likes@Bruh Moment You are a Judicandus Homo Reus and I shall pray for you when judgement day comes where accused shall be confounded and doomed to the flames of hell. 😇🙏
0 likes@Bruh Moment You said “god never used racism”. No shit Sherlock. He can’t use racism cuz he isn’t a race.🤣
0 likes@Bruh Moment If you say that he created races then you are saying that there is a something called race. And dividing people in races is racism. It isn’t necessarily bad racism because it isn’t used to harm others. But it can be used to harm others.
0 likes@Ψ-14 read about babylon. im not a professional so im not going to get into this because iw will probable say something bad or make a mistake. all i have to say is god is not racist, he says to love everybody (not like attracted to them) and be kind. god does not like slavery, and he showed not to have slaves from the story of egypt.
0 likes@Ψ-14 also racism is always bad. i am different from someone in an italian culture. we are different. that is not racism that is just stating facts. im not better than they are. at the end of the day we are both humans and should be given the same level of respect.
0 likes@Bruh Moment God can’t be racist because he isn’t a race
0 likes@Bruh Moment DUDE THAT IS RACIST! You saying that those are facts is racist. Being racist is the thought that you can divide humans into categories and races. You just said that you were different from Italians. That right there is racist. And like I said racism is very normal and everyone does it all the time without even realising it. You are being racist but you mean no harm with it.
0 likes@Bruh Moment Treating people different based on what they are is discrimination. Racism and discrimination aren’t the same thing but you can use racism to discriminate.
0 likes@Ψ-14 dont put words in my mouth i never said that! i never said racism is normal. here you go, the final verdict. EVERYONE IS THE DIFFERENT FROM EVERY PLACE BECAUSE WE ARE ALL NOT THE SAME, AT THE END OF THE DAY WE ARE ALL HUMANS AND SHOULD BE TREATED THAT WAY!! WE SHOULD NOT BE GROUPED BY SIMILARITIES!! we also should not have cities or countries or borders, because those "divide humans and is racist". nothing is racist till you make it racist. the best way to end racism? stop talking about.
0 likes@Ψ-14 we also shouldn't have families, ancestors, or kids. they are just other people, they cant relate to us because that is discrimination and racism. i treat other people different if they aren't in my family but that is grouping humans. my kids were born from me but they are the same as other kids so they aernt really mine and i should treat them the same as everyone. also kids and adults are both humans and shouldn't be separated so kid should be able to drive and drink! religion shouldn't exist because that would be grouping people by there beliefs. you see the loop hole you just opened with your logic? and to get back on point, god is not racist and we should treat others how we want to be treated
0 likes@Bruh Moment That right there is the mindset of how a true liberal from the 19th-20th century would’ve thought. See my logic now? It is impossible to live a life without being somewhat racist or discriminating because it is in our nature to do that. Of course you treat your own kids and family better than others because that is in our nature and completely normal. But it is still kinda discriminating
0 likesin the end. Which is why I think that not all racism is bad or evil. Because you’re not hurting anymore with it.
I think the biggest rebuttal to veganism is that humans are part of the ecosystem and we have evolved to eat meat and plants not jus tone exclusively.
0 likesWhy would you shoot an animal in the head and slit its throat?
0 likesHe looks sick the vegan guy
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U can be perfectly healthy without eating any animals
0 likes@Veganix enjoy your supplements
0 likes@Veganix you*
0 likes@Cherno Bandits u r an animal abuser
0 likes#omnivore
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0 likesYo that lotion
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Ngl I side with the vegan guy. The prank was out of order rly. The vegans in that restaurant weren’t shoving it down anyones throats they were minding their own business and you went and interfered with them. By your analogy it’s like someone going into a church and shouting god isn’t real. Wasn’t much of a debate either just using your religion as a reason for eating meat. Like the dude said the Bible has a lot of outdated stuff in it which ppl who are Christian don’t follow now so why is it any different with meat. Substitutes for meat are so advanced now that you can eat alternatives and still get all the nutritional benefits without harming animals. Ps I’m not even a vegan but I can’t pretend like it isn’t the right thing to do
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The issue is a double standard. The vegan in the video supports vegans entering people's businesses and disrupting them, because that fits his ideological views, but when someone does the same to vegans he complains.
0 likesHow about no one makes publicity stunts and be pain in someone's butt at work?
Preston W It's flat out a double standard. Ramms was complaining about him disrupting a business of a vegan establishment, while at the same time supports doing that to non-vegan establishments. Watch his video on McDonald's blocking. He is obviously biased and hold double standards.
0 likesThat's no objective, at all. Obviously people don't agree that killing animals for stuff is abuse. In most cases they would just dislike the way of it being done.
Preston W And that is exactly what is going on. If business of vegans is disrupted for by non-vegans, then booooo. If business of non-vegans is disrupted by vegans, then not booooo. He complains someone doing something shitty, but he likes that same shitty thing when it is his side doing it.
0 likesAre you willing to explain how is that objectively abuse? You keep asserting it. but you aren't explaining anything.
Preston W Not if he complains about the method, but let it slide when his side is doing it. If I complain about others doing X, then I have issues with X. When I don't complain but support X when someone else is doing it, then we have a clear double standard.
0 likesAnd how does that make the things we are talking about to be OBJECTIVELY abuse?
Ad hominem. Give me an actual explanation and leave comments about me aside.
Preston W Your last paragraph. You didn't explain anything, but you started talking about me, like I am the problem.
0 likesAre you going to explain yourself or not?
Preston W I did read it and no, you didn't explain anything. You gave me a definition, which isn't objective.
0 likesSecondly. What one thinks is abuse is enterly subjective. Pro-lifers would think that abortion is child abuse, Pro-choicers would say that not allowing abortion is abuse of women.What one thinks is cruel is subjective. And not everyone thinks that any instance of violence is abuse.
So no, you explained absolutely nothing. I want you to explain me how do you reach objectively that something is abuse. I am all ears. Are you going to tell me or are you going to dodge again? And did you delete your messages?
Preston W By that any pain, suffering or death of animals is cruelty. Crop deaths / pesticides / construction / etc = cruelty.
0 likesThat question has nothing to do with that being objectively abuse. Try again.
How can I give input about a thing I know nothing about. I literally have no idea how do you reach your silly conclusion about that being OBJECTIVELY abuse. First tell me how it is objective and then we can talk about it.
Well, you keep dodging it, because I still have no explanation how is any of that objectively abuse.
Preston W Are you going to explain it or not? You literally wrote one sentence after I repeatedly keep asking you to explain it. So for the last time....are you going to explain it or not?
0 likesI really disegree with veganism in a whole. Well Im okay with you eating only vegetables or whatever but don't expect a majority of humans to become vegan. No we don't NEED meat (well we kinda do) but just like thinks like the internet, masions and all that we WANT it. Humans have evolved and we need more than just food, water and shelter. THats why we have so many unnessesary items but ones that we want for entertainment or just for convienece. Meat will forever be a big part of society.
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0 likes. jidion dif lev💀dgn on 1k on auto^
0 likesNot trying to hate but what the difference between us killing an animal and like another wild animal from killing other animals??
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Wild animals kill to survive. Most people do it for taste pleasure. One is necessary for survival, the other isn't.
0 likes@Andre C. don't we kill animals to eat them?? And make stuff from them??
0 likesDo vegans realise the human body requires protein?
0 likesThis is the only vegan I respect, but mostly because he's an atheist and not a woman.
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Wtf ????
0 likeswait ur muslim or chrishtan
0 likeslil nas x to dababy kinda racist
0 likesMOOO
0 likesthe bible doesn't justify slaver as human beings but as spiritual slavery
0 likesHe’s acting like jidion is the one who shot and killed the animal is dead either way that fucking dead animal was sitting on Walmart on the shelves for like 3 days jidion didn’t kill it he just bought what was already dead because it taste good as we speak Shawn the sheep is still getting sliced up like he’s in a ninja movie don’t get mad at niggas for buying what’s already dead like we ain’t the ones killing those little pigs and stuff we’re just buying it because we hungry lol💀
0 likesGod put animals on this earth for food.
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Source?
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0 likes“Me not being Christian doesn’t cause anyone harm.” Neither does someone not being vegan. “YEAHUH! You hurt the animals!!! 😭😭” that’s as relevant as us hurting the plants to eat those. They’re living too. “Yeah but not like how animals are living. How would you like someone eating you?!” Uh.. Like cannibalism?? I probably wouldn’t like it. If you mean how would I like animals eating me, I doubt I’d like that either but.. My dislike wouldn’t stop an animal that is a carnivore from killing and eating me nor would it stop a cannibal from doing it.
0 likes7:25 when he says this he doesnt know what he is saying.
0 likesThe bible doesnt justify slavery. The isrelites were slaves and the isrelites were the chosen people, so when God says be good slaves, it is like when Jesus said turn the other cheek. becuase yes God's chosen people, (christians) must trun the other cheek, forgive becuase we will have our day.
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0 likesI will never understand vegans. If you truly care for the animals, you will be mutual with them. I will eat meat and animals dont care, like how they don't care when they eat another animal. Plus we kinda have to eat meat know since we can't just release all the animals, since they will either ruin the wildlife and land or just die. Humans eating other species its mutual, like if something was trying to eat me and I'm trying to eat it, its all about who got for will to eat. Who hungrier. He also said is it okay to eat the human like animal, i want to point out people do eat monkeys and apes, plus even if you vegan bananas share similar DNA to humans.
1 likeHow are you going to say mass slaughter of an animal is the same as killing a few animals every now and then just because it's part of your religion? The church used to burn people at the stake for doing alot of things that your average person does on a daily basis in today's world, but we're to let God handle them, right?.... I mean that would have made sense if they hadn't of burned people at the stake....
0 likesThis was hard to listen to.
0 likes“We cut animals throats” that’s the same as cats and most predators that kill animals by biting their throats and being shot In the head is fast and easy and bears will maul their prey and eat it alive and shark grab seals and shake them around like a chew toy crocodiles drown their prey and death roll them and constrictors and pythons will squeeze their prey to death plus we need meat to survive and early humans would chase their prey into exhaustion and than kill them with spears and hatchets it’s fine to want better care for animals I will agree with that but animals will die it’s a part of life deal with it or cry about it it’s a dog eat dog world.
0 likesThe truth is: what makes animals more valuable to protect than plants? Both are living organisms. Is it because the animal is cuter? Is it because we are more similar to a pig than a tree? Is it because animals bleed and plants don’t? Its human bias. Unfortunately, the way nature works is the strongest survive and we have to get our energy by killing and eating other organisms. That is the food chain and that is how the world works. And does eating only plants contribute to peace? Well it depends on what you view peace as. If every human on the planet only ate plants would the world be a better place? I dont think so. The same global problems would be happening. I guarantee you that if cows were carnivores (and could eat humans) they would be wanting to kill and eat us. We only feel pity because they appear to wish us no harm and that is not their choice its the cows instinct. It is built into their DNA to eat plants. People become vegan because they believe that by doing so they see themselves as a better person, but at the end of the day you are still killing and eating an organism which contributes positively to the world if not even more than animals.
0 likesJust to clarify as a very consistent christian. The Bible does not endorse slavery. Pay very close attention to where it is mentioned.
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@BrodySully i dont got it off the top of my head and there are many verses lol
0 likes@BrodySully bro my comment literally said it doesnt endorse it
0 likesThe Bible is God's word. It's the same yesterday, today and always. His word doesn't change.
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0 likesHow do vegans think they butcher animals???
0 likesNah christianity is a lil bit to updated
0 likesWhats objectively wrong about slaughtering animals
0 likesAnimals eat other animals 🤷🏻♂️
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im not vegan but u missed the guys point. Animals also practice incest lmao why don't we? Vegans say we don't need to eat other animals to survive.
0 likes@Diego I mean some people are incest😂 it’s just part of nature to eat other animals
0 likes@Rez_ Skin so is killing other animals of the same species. So murder and incest is ok?? Cmon bruh get a better argument
0 likes@Diego throughout history incest has happened but the society we live in today doesn’t approve of it and it is looked down upon. eating animals is a part of nature that’s how we survive. You gotta know the circle of life bruh
0 likes@Diego and if you ain’t vegan then why tf u care so much? You make no damn sense🤡
0 likes@Rez_ Skin I hate flawed arguements like yours. I'm asking if you personally are good with murder and incest because it natural not society
0 likes@Diego well I personally don’t give af what you like or don’t like. And what your trying to bring up has nothing to do with what what my main comment was about sooo all I know is living species will still eat each other just like they did since the beginning of time
0 likes@Rez_ Skin lmao nice try dodging my question. Incest and murder have also been around since the beginning 😂😂
0 likes@Diego incest and murder have nothing to do with what the video or my comment is about. So you sound dumb asl on this one brodie 😬
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0 likesJidion bro you're confusing facts with belief. The Holy books like the bible and koran were there before science. but meanwhile we do know some things for sure to explain how the world works and we can prove it = facts. the Holy books don't have the logical evidence. you just have to trust that the dudes who wrote it know it is right. that's what belief is.
0 likesWhere does the Bible justify slavery?
1 likeDon’t care still eating beef chicken and pork
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L on pork
0 likesPork is disgusting 🤢
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0 likesactually he is wrong...some vegans do it for health or diet...
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That would be people on a plant based diet. Not veganism
2 likes@Veganix no true Scotsman fallacy
0 likesThere's a better way to counter what he was saying. That is to call out the fact that we are omnivores and need to consume animals for our bodies to properly function, not many people can afford or have access to alternatives that are pumped on in price due to the economy. I'm sorry, but animals don't have high emotional intelligence, they just have food for one second and be the food the next, you understand what I'm saying? It's the way nature works, the food chain is a fact, and animals will have to take the sacrifice if humans keep growing in population. It might be unacceptable to vegans, but nature is brutal, and that's the way it is and will remain.
0 likesFeminist cafe?????
0 likesLions kill their prey so do all animals in the food chain we have just come up with a very convenient way of killing and eating our prey because we are extremely advanced, i don’t think that we should have to care about how the animals we eat are killed as long as it’s efficient and not torture or anything. I don’t see other animals as anything other than that, animals, some are cute and some taste nice it is what it is. I have nothing against vegans but I don’t think they should be telling me what I can or can’t eat either.
1 likeLeviticus 11:3 Whatsoever parteth the hoof, and is clovenfooted, and cheweth the cud, among the beasts, that shall ye eat.
0 likesSorry vegans but I’ll take TMH’s word over yours, everyday.
The Bible doesn’t justify slavery, in fact Moses freed the slaves in Egypt
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0 likesThe Bible doesn’t support slavery that passage is taken out of context
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Explain, cause if I was a slave reading the Bible back then, what other context would I take it in?
0 likes@King Jay Vlogs Well, you probably wouldnt be able to read but
2 likes@King Of Cringe you right but for the ones that were educated, what would they do?
0 likes@King Jay Vlogs I dont know man, I wasn't a slave
0 likes@King Of Cringe 😂😂
0 likesYou off the meds or what man?
0 likes8:50 all vegans basically haven't thought it through. They play the morality game, but fail to question where their morality came from.
0 likesWho told them that killing was wrong in the first place? Is it because of the "majority" ? Then if the majority said it's ok to eat meat, then it's moral.
Truth is God sets the morals. The majority follows God's law, and God made it permissible for us to eat meat, under strict conditions that (i) knife is sharp af (ii) animal doesn't suffer (ii) doesn't see other animals suffer (III) the sacrifice is made in the name of (and thanks to) God
Vegans actin like animal dont rip other animals skin open and eat their insides
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vegans want us to be better because we don't need to do that
0 likes@Diego well i get the vegans that hate actual animal abuse, but killing an animal for food literally is not abuse
0 likesI also get if its for religion
0 likes@Isa K yeah but once again I think their point is its not necessary for us. According to them, and I'm no expert, we can live healthy lives without meat so why kill? As food science advances as well as the number of vegans soon they will probably taste the same too.
0 likesEx21:16 , Tim1:10 slave trade is condemned ex21:20, DT23:15 job31:13 Gal:28 we are all made in the image of God oh and luke4:18 Jesus came to set the captive free so that vegan who said the bible promotes slavery clearly has an incorrect belief.
0 likesThere is a point to be made with animals being killed and the disconnect from what really happens and the kind of environment we eat the meat. I say eat meat if you would be willing to kill the animal yourself. The commercialization of killing animals is not moral for me at least. Native Americans and those who currently live still more towards hunter gatherer lifestyle. I think most of them do have a sort of respect for nature and don’t live wastefully. And yes it is true a lot of Vegans or at least those who claim publicly and try and push that agenda, not an issue, but most are pushing a smaller personal one based on subjective morals. No wonder they make themselves feel threatened, and majority of us, even if we could be educated more, could use constructive appeal. I actually really liked how this turned out. Props for both ending things cordially.
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0 likesyou don’t modernize the bible, the Lords word is the same now as it was 1000s of years ago
0 likesSince when does the bible justify slavery?
0 likesJesus was our final sacrifice Christian’s don’t sacrifice anymore his sacrifice was dying for our sins
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0 likesI don't understand channels like that. Wouldn't you run out of vegan things to talk about? After you've made every sappy video about animal slaughter and health benefits all you have is just targeting random people. That's not just vegans it's youtube channels that revolve around 1 idea and never strays.
0 likesWhy don’t vegans like meat 🥩 for
0 likesThe animals are being slaughtered no matter what. Why waste it all?
0 likesIf vegans care so much they should go out of there way to use the least plastic possible n not own a car. Plastic n pollution also kills animals. Also r tigers evil because they eat meat? Also large scale farming also kills animals so I hope u own a garden
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0 likesalso vegans should just eat halal
0 likesBeing vegan is not a belief
0 likesThis guy's logic is so illogical. Talking about harvesting and eating a humanlike species. There is a humanlike species and that is a chimp. Last I checked we don't harvest chimps for food. You can't compare humans which are multi-emotionally intelligent organisms, to animals such as chickens, pigs and cows which have very little intelligence which mainly rely on instinct. Humans are so much more consciously adept than the animals that we harvest. I don't understand how he thinks its right to treat these animals as we treat fellow humans. They are literally animals, they have no feelings towards you, all they want to do is eat, shit, shag and sleep.
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Am confused when did someone say that because something is multi emotional we can't eat ?
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0 likesHow does the Bible justify slavery when God helped Moses escape the Jews from Egyptian slavery
0 likesReligion is an unmodernized fairytale.
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0 likesbeing vegan is all about saving the animals, but funny enough they all got a leather couch lmao, also how is it okay for vegans to kill plants when it's a proven fact that plants are alive? dont you think that bush over there wanna go home to his 2 kids and wife? i dont go into your vegan places crying trying to make you stop killing those very alive plants bruh. these vegans can just stay in their corner of the room and eat their vegan pencils but just dont walk into places who serves meat and start preaching about how bad people we are just because we wanna eat a burger and not a piece of coal
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0 likesDude is lying almost nobody gets ptsd and anxiety from killing animals, ive killed plenty of deer, turkey, ducks and i really could careless, i eat them and use what I get from them
0 likesChristianity is 100% outdated lol
0 likeshello there, i dont mean to force my religion on you at all. but Jesus is the messiah. he is the lord and savior of the world. please turn to him and repent from your sins! let's worship the Lord together!! Amen! Glory to the Lord almighty!
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0 likesVegan dont care about plants too🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️, dont plants deserve life
0 likesQuraan isn’t a religion
0 likesThis vegan's whole existence depends on the death of other living things. Trees and mountains where animals are being destroyed so you can have houses, clothes, etc. If he thinks he is out of blame by not eating animals, then he is severely delusional. If you really want to help, you'd boycott humanity and not just meat. Start with offing yourself by feeding yourself to the sharks.
1 likeIt’s crazy how clueless vegans are about slaughterhouses
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0 likesQuran is Not a religion
0 likesBut for real though, gods don't exist. Y'all need to grow up.
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0 likesVegans have always been motivated for the wrong thing😂 there’s PEOPLE DYING EVERYDAY “GeTtIng Their ThroAtS SliT and ShoT In THE HeAD” and you worried about chickens and turkeys??? If VEGANS were really a good people they would be using that energy to stand up for 1000 other things that are SERIOUS INSTEAD want to protest about food..OTHER PEOPLE EAT!? Smh..there’s also another community INFAMOUS for that even more than the vegans but I don’t want to say their name 😂 IF U KNOW U KNOW
0 likesthe thing that pisses me off about vegans is that they all think they're saving animals by not eating meat and stuff like that but to farm and make those plants that are "saving" those animals they so care for, you need to kill everything that gets into the fields so they dont eat the crops.
1 likeWhat do u 2 mean it doesn't exist? Chimps are our closest relatives and on your own u can watch and see they're human like and emotional and smart and have feelings.... So we do kill chimps. Chimps and mice/rats are most used tortured even experimented on and killed.
0 likesJust saying most people dont hunt monkey's or dolphins and if u actually wanted too see were we come from u will be shocked if u follow chimps long enough thry are crazy they actually have wars and rape parties
1 likeIf people didn't wanna eat meat we would all be vegans these vegans would love dictatorships they can finally force people too act like they want u too act
1 likeNo. He didn’t pay for it to die. It was already dead and he bought it. HUGE difference. No one is gonna go vegan if this y’all approach
0 likesIf we let all the cows and chickens go tommorow they would all die. They cannot survive without being cared for constantly. Does this guy wanna adopt a few thousand cows feed and care for all of them? Cause that is the only way widescale veganism works
0 likesMf talking about animals but forges that being vegan produces even more contamination than meat industry.
0 likesBro what is it with this guy and slitting animals throats, its all he fucking says.
0 likesVegans don’t understand in order to keep there crop from being destroyed u gotta kill every bird every insect any animal that try’s to eat or destroy the crop so there doing more killing than us when they get there tofu salads on the table
0 likesShut down a vegan in two seconds by asking them why animal life is more important than plant life
0 likesVegans be caring more about animals than humans 💀
0 likesBy debate standard this debate was pretty shit.
0 likesVegan guy doesn’t realize you have to kill animals to plant vegetables so they don’t ruin or destroy your gardens
0 likesIf you are veagan, you actually are killing more animals than if you aren’t
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No. That’s wrong. Over 75% of land is used to grow crops for animals. You kill way more animals for animal products.
0 likes@milomsen yeah but u breed and then kill. So it doesnt affect the nature. if u wanna save animals, grow ur own crops in ur house. dont buy
1 likeChimps are pretty close… I’d fuck a chimp up if I was capable of it, gonna have to stick to the 9, why is everyone so sad about being THE apex predator, we need to go back to our roots and just start fucking shit up with spears, maybe they’d stfu then😂
0 likesI hate the vegan argument that buying meat means your killing the animal you literally bought a product of an already dead animal you buying it or not has no effect on the fact the animal is already dead 😂
0 likesAyo guys especially vegans please check out how much chemicals are put in beyond meat and shit where they make plant food tasting like meat . It's fucking unhealthy for you
0 likesEvery hardcore vegan I promise you is like pro abortion up to full term and probably beyond.
0 likesLet me throw down some more points. The Bible does not support slavery, it talks about two things, 1 the law of the land that the people are subjected too that is NOT of Jesus teachings and 2, indentured servitude which is something common in the day where people who had nothing or destitute in the streets would be given home and food in exchange for work, not slavery. Now the quran absolutely supports slavery.
And animals get killed for food? Does this guy know what animals do to eachother? How is it immoral for us? Animals rip other animals apart and eat them alive, we execute them quickly, I wonder why this guy who doesn't believe in God thinks humans are subject to a moral authority above the animals?
Do the vegans not realize that even if they stopped humans from hunting animals (which btw is never going to happen) It's not like its going to completely stop animals from dying due to hunting because animals hunt other animals as well, and under the logic of a vegan trying to stop animals from dying, does that mean that we should start killing predators even though they are also animals as well? They are literally trying to prevent something that has been happening since the beginning of time, and will never stop. If you only want to eat plants because you dont want animals to get hurt thats fine, even though it still wont reduce the amount of animals being killed. These protests that vegans are doing might change more people to be vegan, but the protests still dont prevent any animals from being killed, its just disturbing the peace. In fact, doing protests like that might actually have the opposite effect that they want and make more people NOT want to be vegan because when someone's view of a vegan is this group of people yelling and screaming and disturbing the peace, they are probably not going to want to join them.
0 likesthis is why i hate vegans
0 likesMainstream restaurants put bs vegan food on the menu… you should be able to eat your normal food in a vegan restaurant
0 likesI'm actually vegan because animals is just hard to chew. Vegan by preference f $ k dem kids
0 likesVegans are nuts. Animals are literally made out of food. Cannibalism is not even part of the equation. I don’t see where any of their logic EVER works.
3 likesGod says slavery like what the whites did to the blacks in the 1700’s is wrong and that they would face judgement for that. Slavery like a boss/worker is what the Bible is talking about
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And to add to that, killing animals for any reason other than using their fur for clothes to keep you warm, or their meat to keep you from being hungry is wrong. God created those animals, so when you kill them for other purposes, it’s disrespectful to God
0 likesAt least he acts like a cool vegan I've seen vegans go to stores and dress up as bloody pigs
0 likesI would have liked it more if he shot and butchered a chicken in front of him, and started cooking it on the grill
0 likesDoes he not understand animals are slit in the throat maimed and left to bleed in nature already? These kinds of people are always privileged white people.
1 likeVegans are so dramatic 🤣 Lighten up. Also why is he swearing at you? "You f-er, you crazy f-er" I thought vegans were holier than thou and more moral than thou" lmao! Total clowns. Is being arrogant and claiming a realize doesn't exist or isn't good enough moral? I don't think so.
0 likesyou know if every person became vegan tommrow then all thoes cows and pigs who woul get "shot in the head or their necks cut" would sit in the slaughter houses and starve getting a much worse life deth becuse would ruin the farmers lives to keep feeding them
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Better than if they were bred to perpetuate the suffering
2 likesThe vegan is such a bèta bish
0 likesAnimals have been harvested ,since the BEGINNING OF TIME. However the over dramatic BOZO , thinks - ‘’ poof “! He suddenly”knows better “ then say 1,000s of years . Lmfao 😂 nothing like running your whole life and existence around a complete fabricated fallacy …..
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Animals have always been harvested but not in all cultures
0 likesEven if people don't kill those animals, they will kill each other, that's just how nature works, at least we are making use of it for ourselves
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It's not like people kill animals straight out of their habitat, they breed animals on their own property outside the natural ecosystem, so these animals could not be killed by other animals in this enclosed space
1 likeThe vegan said the cut their throats and shoots them in the head why most of the time they are killed through an injection
0 likeswell, lets just agree that they do not agree. ANd the arguments were quite shitty
0 likesnah this nigga really wasn't trynna admit he was wrong and it makes him hella annoying😭(the vegan ginger guy, not jidion)
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Preston W who did he harass? Yall sensitive asf😭 wouldn’t know real harassment if it slapped you in the face. He went into a vegan restaurant and cooked meat, then he paid AND tipped. It was a joke, the worst thing he did was plug in a stove and cook raw meat in a restaurant eating area which is technically unsanitary…but like be fr, what restaurant/food place is?😭
0 likesPreston W who in tf eats dog meat😭 just stfu bro
0 likesPreston W if dog meat was as acceptable as cow meat then your relation is wrong…that would be like going to a farm cooking burgers, not a vegan restaurant, acquire some brain cells
0 likesPreston W actually you’re wrong, a slaughter house is where they raise cows for food, a farm will harvest the milk from cows and when they get older they’re sent to the slaughter house, but regardless you’re strawmanning. The statement still holds that in America it is not acceptable to eat dog meat so nobody would cook dog in a shelter as a prank…but cow meat on the other hand is widely accepted as food and he went to a restaurant where they just so happen to not serve meat and cooked meat. He is in no way causing physical harm to anyone or anything because he purchased his meat from a grocery store as apposed to what you’re saying where in order to do that you would have to kill the dog yourself and then cook it infront of other of its same species which is in fact wrong. We have societal norms and eating dog meat is far outside the realm of those norms as to where cow meat is very much in those bounds. The fact of the matter is that he did something you don’t agree with, but not something wrong or illegal so yes it can be classified as a prank while the dog meat in a dog shelter cannot be. This argument is pointless because you’re pushing extremes that don’t relate to the topic at hand.
0 likesPreston W I misspoke cuz i was typing whilst i was at work😭(cows are not raised in a slaughterhouse rather they are sent there)but we are done here cuz you cant seem to hold a stable argument without cherry picking every little detail to try to seem smarter than someone else. Point is stop being a snowflake and grow some balls
0 likesPreston W how am i a dick rider when jidion is saying its fucked up and im saying its not?😭 make it make sense brodie
0 likesPreston W also im just now realizing that I wasn’t even referring to the argument as a whole in my original comment, i was saying the vegan guy is annoying because even tho he’s entitled to his opinion, he cannot admit when he is clearly wrong about certain topics as they discuss a variety of things and even where jidion can admit his faults, the vegan guy refuses to admit any. Regardless my opinion is that there was nothing inherently wrong with jidions prank even if he himself decided to back out of his initial stance. It’s called having a mind of your own and not following your favorite Youtubers blindly 😩🥴
0 likesThats so funny how the vegan is trying to be nice and not all vegans are mean type BUT he's calling Jidion out for what he did. Vegans are fcking crazy man.
0 likesWhat the hell for god sake we’ve been killing animals for years and years why the hell do you thing your alive? And… how the hell do you think you protect animals if other animals kill the other
0 likesI want these vegans to go into a lions den and see if they care about your rights
0 likesCan’t talk about objective morality when you don’t have a moral anchor aka religion aka god, something wrong right now for you could be right 20 years down and vice versa 😮 it’s all subjective for atheists and agnostics, we got sharp incisors for a reason I believe.
0 likesvegans think they can do what they want but if meat eaters put their views on them they get pissed off and think we meat eaters are wrong.. As for the bible god said to his people to goto the land of milk and honey not plants and milk that isn't milk...
0 likesthe vegan gay every single minute ''yeah but they get shot in the head and get their throat split''
0 likesGod made animals so we wouldn’t starve, plus if you you only ate vegetables, your body would be built like a French frie
1 likeDid he really say All feminists are lesbians?
0 likesPeople who are vegans = people who blame everyone for their problems
0 likesThis guy is deluded as fuck w Jidion
0 likesThe vegan guy looks malnourished. You can see it on his face.
0 likesthere is a reason why 3rd world doesn't have vegan diets
0 likesI. sorry but but vegans you talk like you're better Yan everyone else..volunteer at sanctuaries LOOOOOL please. your not angels. your rich
0 likesThis vegan's whole existence depends on the death of other living things. Trees and mountains where animals live are being destroyed so you can have houses, clothes, etc. If he thinks he is out of blame by not eating animals, then he is severely delusional. If you really want to help, you'd boycott humanity and not just avoid eating meat. Start with offing yourself by feeding yourself to the sharks.
0 likesThe bible justify animals being killed. God says it literally in the bible. They are animals, we are human. Humans have a rational soul. Animals don't have a rational soul. For example animals use instinct. Human don't we have free will. They care about if you mess with an eagle egg you'll go to prison and a fine. Yet we are allowed to kill unborn babies. Hypocritical. I won't trust the vegan people. I believe it's partially political because a government can control less numbers of people. They want to lessen the human race because we are the fault of killing animals and the climate where that is all negotiable topics. So less people. Bible says be fruitful and multiply, and we should trust in God then. Helping animals is great of course but they are not human. If we can't figure out humans, how will we help animals? You can't. God Bless You JiDion.
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0 likesHow vegans care about animals, but they eat plants, which are food and homes for most animals?💀
0 likesVegans are hilarious, I’d rather get shot in the head than be pulled limb from limb by a predator, or even suffocated so the life slowly drains out of me.
0 likesThe thing vegans don’t understand is that animals are always hunted by their own kind or by other animals, what difference is it when a human does it. You could say it’s cruel but animals are way more brutal it’s the circle of life man. Imagine if everyone became vegan, it would be an over population of certain species, there’s still a lot of issues with hunting but some vegans r fucking stupid LMAO
1 likeAnimals don't have souls. They live on instinct and many animals would kill humans instinctivelyalready. We are given dominion over the earth
0 likesI dont care I still eat meat, God made animals to be eaten not live a life.
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0 likesI understand veganism. But what they don't understand is people don't have easy access to vegetables and other expensive food as vegan. We literally have animal products in everything. The system was designed that way. Idk why vegan are trying to shame everyone else all the time. Especially the privilege ones. Grocery stores arent as common as fast food in low income communities. It's just part of the system. Stop shaming everyone, instead educate without forcing people like religious people.
0 likesVegans are notorious for running into restaurants and berating people having their meal. This is the least that they deserve.
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0 likesNot against vegans but any meat eating animal on top of the food chain would eat animals alive. Yeah it grew into this systematic killing, is really bad for the environment, and there could be better ways to do it. But it’s just the natural way of life. Some eat or be eaten type of shit that got too easy for us.
0 likesThis happens in first world countries than fuckers don’t have nothing to do😂
1 likeHow many times did this bro say shoot them in the head and slit their throats
0 likes8:38 This dumbass really thinks a chicken is on the same level as a person? Thats next level mental illness
0 likes"shot in the head and have their throats slit"
0 likesThis vegan clown should investigate where the rare earth minerals inside his electronics come from - millions of animals die as a consequence
1 likeDavid basically saying the Bible is a lie
0 likesThe vegan guy basically turned you into hitman 🤣🤣🤣 “he pays to get animals shot in the head and their throats slit” 🤣🤣🤣🤣
0 likesThis mf dont even know how the kill animals...
0 likesBro at the end of the day no matter how many vegan protest we will still continue to kill animals. They be bussin no cap
1 likeThe Bible does not justify slavery. The Vegan guy is believing in a popular misconception.
0 likesPhone contain animal fat so u gonna stop using phone vegan people delusion every tech made of cow and pigs fats
0 likesRussian watching this ishh and laughing bro. Yall soft af. Useless consumers like this are in for a huge wake up call
0 likesthese guys are literally killin blind innocents plants & vegetable who even cant see and speak.. But they actually are living things they become happy and sad too they have their life.. for them its absolutely right to kill someone who cant speak and see and they are teaching us morality WAO ... There is no logic behind it .. because if you care about living thing that much then you should also care about plants & vegetable and you should be eating mud, rocks and cements instead of plants and animals...
0 likesNothing against people being vegans or anything. But they do know animals kill other animals? Hyenas eat their prey alive, no neck bite like lions. That's brutal.
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U might be surprised but yes they do know this. Some animals require to eat other animals in the wild to Survive. U don’t have that excuse do u.
2 likes@Veganix but that's nature. We're consider Animals and we eat other animals to survive, including vegetables and fruits. Back in the day men hunted everything to survive. It's the same damn concept.
0 likes@Veganix need is irrelevant as need doesn’t dictate actions anywhere in life and that doesn’t take away from the fact it’s objectively beneficial try again
0 likesMonocrop agriculture destroys ecosystems and ruins the entire food chain. Hundreds of acres for one crop is not natural and hurts animals more then culling overpopulation by eating them
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Takes a lot of crops to feed 80 billion farmed animals compared to 7.5 billion humans
1 like@Veganix misinformation
0 likesVegans are just people that over think things
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Just people who are against animal cruelty and mean it
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Jidion got kinda douchey in this one…pulling the religion card and ish
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@Nightblood the way he would ask the dude a question and then continuously interrupt the dude before dude could answer. Then pull the self righteous religion card, kinda douchey.
0 likesNightblood nah nobody should feel obligated to respect someone’s shitty opinion that leads to demonstrably negative impacts to society and the world
1 like@Nightblood he’s saying your take on religion is extremely biased and obviously incorrect. He just used verbiage that is above your head.
2 likesbeing vegan is bad for you. soy is so bad
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Nope that is entirely false. A moutain of independent studies prove sou is fine. Don’t listen to the people who make money for u believing that. The animal agriculture lobbyists
0 likesSoy is good for health bruh whatchu saying?
1 like@Nikhil it is
1 likeVegan activists are just as annoying as anti abortion activists
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They are annoying because the are right. It’s wrong to kill and exploit animals unnecessarily
0 likesI mean due to vegan shit, I hate goin over my cousins house cuz they all vegans over there
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They remind u that u r an animal abuser?
1 like@Veganix abuse tho
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I legit love this mofo. Makes my ducking day, pranks ppl, doesn’t have no beef with nobody, and always spreading positivity
0 likesThis dude is talking bullshit tho That cow dint get killed for 2 pounds of meat theres about 1000 pounds floating around other peoples plates.
0 likesNo hate for him choosing not to eat meat but him personally yes because he's pushing his own believes on other people how is that different from a religious extremist?
You need to take an L in this one bro
0 likesSo do vegans hate predators? They murder animals pretty painfully.
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It’s about necessity, wild animals have to kill each other to survive. On the other hand, most humans in the developed world do not need animal products to survive.
0 likes@Haxu Haxu need is irrelevant as need doesn’t dictate actions anywhere in life and that doesn’t take away from the fact it’s objectively beneficial
0 likesAssassin 9958 wrong but ok 👍
0 likesI get it vegan Koo n shit but don't force your weak ass diet on everyone else white boy was butt hurt the whole time lol
0 likesDo people not understand population control
0 likesWhat bro said”diff dna…like humans” what about monkeys…we don’t kill and eat them just the tasty “meat” or “dairy “ cows, at this point if everyone gave up meat farm animals would be invasive and they’d get killed and wasted🫡🤌
0 likesJiDion should’ve told that dude that vegans kill a lot of rabbits, squirrels ,etc, to keep the crops safe.. and they usually die by poison, mauled by farm dogs, or simply shot at with an air powered rifle.
0 likesThese vegan people are so weird, almost like a cult
0 likesVegans are hypocrits.
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How so?
0 likesThe argument that your killing life, that's why people are vegans to me make no since because plants are also living.
0 likesSo we never kill anymore animals and then we dont have enough vegetation to support the animals dietary needs? flips steak
0 likesYoure funny as fuck but goddamn stop screaming so loud
0 likesHumans are omnivores, are tiger immoral for eating meat
0 likesOk we get it they get there throats slit and shot in the head bro how many times are you gonna say it😭
0 likesThe dude looks like he’s been shooting animals and slitting throats 😂
0 likesThe thing is, the animals get killed either way.Farmers and slaughterhouses still kill the animals we no vegans just eat it so it doesn’t go to waste.
1 likeFarms are made to sell animals so people can eat them, so if that wasn’t their purpose they wouldn’t even be born.
0 likesTo pretend people eating meat is the greatest problem facing the planet isn't only stupid but it's irresponsible, considering transportation makes up the vast majority of emissions. But, by all means, let's pretend cow farts are worse for the environment than big oil
0 likesFun fact it’s actually bad to be vegan for many reasons even though you have to kill animals
1 likeBro the animals get killed before they get sent to the slaughterhouse plus they just get there head chopped off so there’s no suffering
0 likesJust thought I say this for those who don’t know. The Bible does not justify slavery as we know it today. Slaves back then were people who worked and got paid for that work. Buttt if you read the Bible God Hates the slavery we know today. For example pharaoh. God wanted Israel to be liberated. I he Bible doesn not justify slavery it really doesn’t people worked lands and paid all debts with work and when they were done paying they retired
0 likesHonestly veganism and this guy are stupid. Does he have a problem with eating probiotic bacteria, yeast, fruit? Why do plants get a pass even though they are alive? Is it because they can't feel pain? What about mushrooms? Is he okay with eating those? Mushrooms have shown to have huge mycillium networks that communicate across vast areas and this pig is just dicing up mushrooms over his risotto smelling his own farts?
0 likesHonestly the rest of you might have been okay with this guy but I think he was trash. "SHOOTING IN THE HEAD AND SLITTING THEIR NECK" should be his catchphrase since he seems obsessed with this part of the food process. Yeah dude, animals are killed before they are butchered and sold, that's how it works lmao.
The absolute WORST part is that this guy has actually deluded himself into thinking that his beliefs aren't even beliefs, they are statement of fact. He tried to make this point before JiDion (I think not totally understanding the point he was making) interrupted and went on a tangent, but he essentially tries to say "No man this isn't a belief, this is a moral fact." Like dude just shut the fuck up.
Fuck veganism, fuck vegans.
Veganism " Let's stop eating the animals and eat there food source to kill them quicker." 🤷🏿♂️
0 likesThis vegan rather see plants throat slit that provides oxygen for humans than a animal who can produce offspring and eating the plants you eat
0 likesPeople who eat meat kills animals.People who are vegan eating there grand parents 💀
0 likesLook at the end of the day animals by the millions die everyday by other animals in nature it’s part of life you think a alligator care for you when he’s gator rolling you into fucking pieces so when I was I Florida I had some gator tasted like chicken just a little chewy but scrumdidlieumpshish 🖕🏽
1 likeThey don’t get shot in the head or there throat slit they get taken care of better then 99% of people. Farms hire super expensive car takers like 100’s of thousands of dollars a year on them they get check ups every 1-2 months. They get to do whatever they want essentially eat and sleep all day. Plus how they get brutally murdered is a high power shock to the spine which is painless and kills them instantly there lives are better then almost everyone’s on the planet
0 likesThis why I rock with you. You are a real mf bro.
0 likesHere, ima end this all for everyone. We have k9 teeth, those sharp teeth we have (vampire looking teeth) are made for biting into meat. We are just developed. Thousands of years ago all we did was eat meat.
0 likesJust saying by not killing the animals other animals will just kill them because thats how reality works… idk tho maybe im wrong maybe the coyotes will see us not killing animals and be like “lets go vegan too”
0 likesAlso most vegan products are also lab made crap, which is even worse for you than meat
God literally said to kill animals and eat them and the slavery thing was he told them to treat their slaves with kindness and not hurt them so yeah I’d rather listen to God than an extreme vegan
0 likesThis vegan dork confirmed to myself that the world is ready for the asteroïde. Bring it on
0 likesBro fuck that idgaf if that mf animal is getting shot and sliced that's what they're made for
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alright tough guy
0 likes@SebberbutZ what's tough about eating meat🤣
0 likesvegan extremists are terrible people lol
0 likesWe kill animals because we’re better than them in every way as blunt as that sounds. Why should we limit ourselves to what we eat because some people think it’s wrong. it’s easy food for us, simple as that, why shouldn’t we capitalise on that, literally every other species does.
0 likesBro the thing vegans don’t get is that when we pay for meat it’s already liked it as dead already we didn’t pay for it to die the corporate does
0 likesYou know vegans want this plant based bullshit but this plant based bullshit is filled with a whole bunch of Chemicals and shit
0 likes"This guy has gone paid for an animal to be shot in the head and have their throat slit"
1 likeBitch it's already been killed.
Ok but I believe that God made animals to help things live also if we didn’t eat animals we would be overpopulated with them and then they would be feeding on us more than likely
0 likesthis man defending animals for his dear life where if he was on a deserted island. He wouldn’t eat meat? Those animals do not give af ab u bruv they eating ur ass😂 i can understand his view but damn
1 likeFor the amount of hate you got for that initial video you made, you should just do it again to piss Vegans off for their extremist values
1 likeVegans worry about the things they CANT control🤦🏽♂️
1 likeyeah so those vegan protestors that block the entrance to restaurants and shops ain't assholes? ahaha like minde you business
0 likesI'm not vegan. but the Bible is stupid
0 likesI don’t have a problem with being vegan and stuff, but that guy’s point about killing a human like creature simply because it has different DNA is stupid. Animals are not very smart. Animals don’t have morals. They don’t care about you. Many humans are killed by animals everyday. If there was a human like animal, of course we wouldn’t eat it, because that’s assuming they are intelligent and have morals.
0 likesSome of y’all vegans are fucking crazy
1 likeVegan should realize that people eating animals is just a part of the food chain, humans are on top of it so we eat animals just like how carnivores eat other animals it's a natural phenomenon in nature and we as humans are part of it.
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Plus if we're supposed to only eat grass then why we have tusks ? God created us and gave us tusks so we can eat meat
1 likeAnimals kill animals
1 likeMf is always positive
0 likesbut man following that vegan man logic the plants are living organisms too and killing them is equivalent to killing an animal so as human beings let's just STHU AND ENJOY AND THANK GOD FOR OUR MEALS
0 likesjidion the goat
0 likesVegan activists shouldn't be going after small businesses or individuals... that's what ruined the cause and now veganism is the laughing stock of activism. If people really feel strong about animals there are other ways to go about convincing others for alternatives. Screaming in front of a store won't do anything but the opposite, being friendly and educating people on the other hand? Way better.
0 likesThe fuck this nigga gonna do when an ecosystem goes over the fucking carrying capacity
0 likesThe vegan paegen has no reason to be mad in the first place. Jidion didn't "Pay for an animal to get shot in the head and have its throat slit" It was beyond meat
0 likesVegans were dropped as children
0 likesThe vegan dude is talking about objective morality as if what he is saying is absolute truth, some people justify killing animals and some do not but both are beliefs not objective truths
0 likesveganism is so dumb, yeah you arent eating animals, but your very existence kills them, you use electricity, you take up their habitats, you utilise products that directly affect them. its so performative, you don't actually care about animals you just want to feel more caring than the people who eat omnivorously, you know, like humans are supposed to.
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I would say veganism takes the stance that we should reduce animal harm as much as reasonably possible. Obviously there has to be some harm to an extent to justify our existence but that doesn't mean we have to slaughter 800+ million animals for taste pleasure.
0 likes@Andre C. dumbing it down to taste pleasure is so silly. in the first world meat isn't that necessary, an omnivorous paleo diet is like the best diet but in the 3rd world they have to eat meat to survive man. also yes there are lots and lots of animals slaughtered, but there are nearly 8 billion ppl. we do eat to much meat, but vegans don't think that, they think the very act of killing to eat is immoral, which is laughably dumb and childish
0 likesIs this the loser that hates the new Batman?
0 likesBeing vegan is a healthy responsibility for humans and we don't even need meat to survive we can live off of plant based products.
0 likesHere’s my point tho Vegans are “animal lovers” and like how this guy said he said we don’t have to kill it’s not necessary and so on but look tigers and lions kill everyday so are they evil? Or negative? Snakes, Aligators, insects, fish, birds, dolphins, kamodo dragons, dogs they all kill animals and eat so are they evil? We’re animals aswell and people seem to forget that we killed to survive to this day for thousands of years so who are these people to say that something that’s been going on for so much years that helped us survive and create this world today is a bad or evil thing to do? The only reason humans from the cold habitats survived was to kill animals and use there fur or wool. the only reason some of these vegans kids are running around and eating there parents vegan shit plates are because years before humans survived by learning how to fish and hunt. I get that they would love to see a peaceful world where nobody needs to kill anything however that world is nothing but fantasy because everybody is born with different beliefs and goals, wants and needs and so there will be a day when vegans give this up of trying to convert everyone to vegans because that just simply won’t ever happen.
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The difference is these animals do it for survival. Our ancestors killed animals for survival. Why would you contribute to a cruel industry in today's modern society when there are plant-based options readily available? Most people do it for taste pleasure but I don't think that's logically justified.
0 likes@Andre C. there are people In Poverty today that are still barely Surviving. Not everybody will become vegan most vegans are trying to convert people who don’t want to convert to vegans and are disturbing people who are peacefully trying to enjoy there meals. It’s cool if you want to eat what you want that’s fine but when you go around to others restaurants and act in childish or even crazy manners to get people to change there minds on what they should eat it just creates hatred for those that are just trying to eat there meals peacefully without some crazy lunatic holding an animals head with fake or real blood screaming with a microphone that they’re murderers. Lol look that one up tell me how good that looks on your guys part to changing peoples minds. I’d say not so good most of you guys look like lunatics and make people not want to change. There are other ways to approach your ideals.
0 likes“Paid for an animal to be shot and killed in the head and have there throat slit” motherfucker what type of logic is this?🤣 he just bought that shit
0 likesthe way in which animals are slaughtered is very humane and painless, vegans make it seem as if they are suffering
0 likesBeing vegan is satanic
0 likesWhat about you know the fuckin food cycle???? We are suppose to eat animals bruh, science and foods and shit have just developed enough that its not as necessary but you are way better off getting real meat in your diet.
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Actually, vegetarians and vegans are at reduced risk of certain health conditions compared to meat eaters. These include ischemic heart disease, type 2 diabetes, hypertension, certain types of cancer, and obesity. So in fact, you're really better off without meat given that it significantly increases your cholesterol.
0 likesBro I don’t think you needa slit it’s throat if you already shot the mf in the head💀 #veganlogic🤪
0 likestbh i hate vegans like that lol
1 likeStill waiting for vegans to realize plants are way more important than animals
1 likeGuy would pull cow on Demarcus if he got the chance
0 likesWhether you support veganism or not, you can’t deny the fact if everyone went vegan then the farm animals would go extinct anyways cuz no one gonna take care of them if they have no economic value
0 likesVegan guy is a w I respect him I thought he was going to be a delusional vegan
0 likesThe Bible says that we have dominion over animals, period. Humans are not created equal to animals...
0 likesvegans not eating meat won't reduce animals getting killed tho
0 likesBible condemns slavery: exodus 21:16
0 likesHe who sells or is in possession of a man is to be put to death
This dudes wack people have depression and ptsd from being a butcher that’s cap😂
0 likesbro were legit made to eat meat like you will have vitamin deficiencys n shit without it
0 likes4:14 BRUH THIS MF SAID YOU NEED TO GO BACK TO MEAT LOOOOL
0 likesWTF bro … your Lifestyle is on cost of lives (animals) meanwhile there is no harm for anyone in being not religious or sth… stupid argument, vegans just tell you to at least think about the stuff that’s on your plate on a daily base because a lot of people are just eating meat day in day out but when they see how it’s been made their reaction will be like ,damn that’s disgusting‘ while they’re eating a bucket of chicken wings from kfc that is obliviously participating monetary
0 likesMeat has protein humans need. Animals aren’t gonna die out. We need them to die. It’s how life be like. Are vegans gonna spank lions for chasing that 1 deer and biting it’s neck off???
0 likesHis main argument is animals getting there throats slit when animals throats aren’t slit it’s a painless and quick death they use a process that shuts down the brain and it’s a painless process
0 likesThere are people everyday getting killed shot in the head, and get their throat cut. This David guy is annoying asf
0 likesHumans are predators, this is how the circle of life goes
0 likesI feel like the vegan thinks everything he says is facts and dijion recognizes it's his perspective and everyone has a different one
0 likesLol dude made an analogy about whipping your dong out in front of feminists like that wouldn’t be equally hilarious
0 likesTo be fair nature is far more crueler to animals than we are. Hence why we have “humane kill,”. Animals eat each other alive.
0 likesWhat hes from finland??? NO VITTU ÄKKIÄ ETTII TOMMOSET HOMOT JA LAITTAA VANKILAA. ei tommosi suomalaisia hyväksytä
0 likeshaha white guy is a douched
1 likeThey breed livestock specifically for meat, and they dispatch of the livestock in an ad humane way as possible. The animals don’t feel a thing. When you buy meat from the store that animal new nothing else other than to eat and live to be un-lived. The livestock we eat have been domesticated and are killed very humanely. They kill the animals that way so they feel as little pain as possible. Plus meat gives you so much more nutrients than the same amount of plants. They are not killing animals for the fun of it, they do it to feed people.
0 likesI don't understand vegans, animals are part of the food chain, its life. You see other animals killing other animals, there are predators and preys, it's the food chain that's part of life and humans are just on top
1 likeAnother argument is now animal are bred to be killed so if we didn’t want to kill them they would be alive in the first place and animal kill other animal and food chains and overpopulation would be a huge problem
0 likesPaid for an animal to be shot? You just bought meat. And iirc animals are meant to be killed.
0 likesNgl we are ment for killing animals for food, so why go against the whole existence of the human race. Just because you don’t think it’s okay to what we are deigned to do
0 likesbru they don’t slit pigs throats to kill them wtf 😭
0 likesIt's stupid if he said vegan is all about saving animals... broo just imagine the time you've wasted trying to save 1 animal and the disability to never eat it til the day you die while there's legitimate 99.9% of the population massacred animals. These dumbass be saving 1 animal that makes their life boring
0 likesYou should've went harder on him
0 likescan this black kid shut up
0 likestbh yes killing animals is wrong to an extent but half our teeth are made for chewing meat…
0 likesit’s the circle of life. humans are the apex predator, is what it is
0 likesI think that it’s very bad to kill some of the most innocent living things on planet earth just to fill your stomach. But I do it anyway and so do billions of people and I think that that’s because people are self centered and don’t care about killing the animals because it’s done in a factory or by some worker or farmer. I basically just think people are pretty bad because they don’t to do all this damage it’s not the circle of life because it doesn’t have to happen and we have control over it. Also you have been raised to eat meat so it’s kinda a thing you do. SUMMARY: humans are kinda self centered so they take animal life with the ability to not do it but it’s not your fault it’s people overall.
0 likesBruh I put it this way. Food is food. They was made for us to eat and kill oh well it’ll be Ight. If you eat meat then you eat meat if you a vegan you a vegan
0 likesyou should ask them if it’s okay for other animals to kill eachother and for animals to starve and for animals to rip eachother apart alive
0 likesThe Bible does NOT condone slavery and I have evidence of anyone wants to debate me
0 likesActually the Bible didn’t support slavery.It’s hella misinterpreted,that’s the stuff pro-slavery people say.And also if we didn’t eat animals they would over populate and we’d have to kill them anyways so may swell use them for good use.
0 likesI do believe that killing animal is fucked up but stomping on a animal till its eyes pop out for a sacrifice is a lot more worse then paying someone to kill a cow who feels 0.1 seconds of pain for food basically what I'm saying is it's not as bad as vegans describe it well except that they live in harsh climates
0 likes'That's what veganism is about, saving the animals.'
1 likeWithin 4 months of the entire planet going vegan every livestock animal will go extinct. Because that's what happens when humans aren't there to take care of them, they die. They lack absolutely every survival instinct in the book, and the ONLY reason they're alive is because of humans. There's been multiple studies about how veganism will cause more harm than good to the animals that are slaughtered.
Freeing animals will literally cause mass death.
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0 likesIf animals weren’t eaten and used for a good cause, the animals would probably eat all the vegans food
0 likesDamn jidion you were Christian
1 likeBro humans are shot and stabbed every day so how come these vegans aren’t out there rioting gun stores r sum like do they think animals are more important then humans
0 likesKeep killing animals!
0 likesjidion was so right when he says its just a belief, vegan dumbass thinks he is always correct, hes just assuming that animals can experience all the human emotions we can, whos to say a cow feels the same way about death as we do?
0 likesScientific studies have shown time and time again that plants also feel pain... they're living organisms too. What place r u in to decide what dies and what doesn't? U r NOT some kind of Death God or something. Livestock is purposefully bred for consumption. Somebody once told me, "would u eat ur own baby?", to which i replied: "If we were Cannibals I'd have no problem eating a baby that was specifically raised for consumption, but i would have a problem if i had to eat a child i raised with the sole purpose of either starting or expanding my family". So in short, no, i don't see the point in Veganism
0 likesvegans act like if people dont buy meat then the animals wouldnt die
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theyre against killing animals not the idea that they will die
0 likesThe vegan diet ruins soil , ruins your health, and ruins biodiversity. Ultimately veganism doesn't save animals
0 likesJiDion is right, God gave us dominion over animals. You can't argue veganism morally, there are no morals without the bible.
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bruh the bible has supported slavery and burning people at the stake its an outdated joke in todays world
0 likesI want to save animals that destroy our atmosphere 🤡🤡🤡
0 likesI honestly dont get the reason of people going vegan for, it does not help the animals the same amount of animals still get slaughter. Nobody saves the animals they just pass the plate to somebody else.
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it’s a movement they hope to make more and more people vegan soon technology will be so advanced that they can make fake meat that tastes like real and more people will be vegan and then more
1 likeVery few people in the south went against slavery back in the day. didn't matter because the slaves would just go to the next white person. ur missing their point
0 likesA lion has to kill a zebra to eat it, a human has to kill a cow to eat it
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but you aren’t killing the cow a multinational complaint is mass killing it for you , a multinational company does kill a cow for the lion
0 likesSo animals kill and slaughter other animals. Welp we gotta turn them vegan guys
0 likesAnimals are shot in the lung not head they die instantly most of the time with an accurate lung shot.. this guys very weird. People have eaten animals for centuries.. believe what you want bro don’t push ur agenda onto others
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https://youtu.be/hXmB9zsAQ_E
0 likeswatch this you are wrong
0 likes@blex Frouts yeah bro that video is disgusting and makes me sick to my stomach.
0 likes@blex Frouts anybody who can willingly slaughter an animal like this should seek serious mental evaluation
0 likeswhat people don't get is every one being vegan is not sustainable we wont be able to keep with demand you know how much of the land we will need to use just to farm for only half or even 1/10 of the population it is not possible.
0 likesAll am gonna say is what's happening to white men, are they that bored all the shit they coming up with. What is amazing is Extremist vegans killing there cats and dogs by only feeding them plants which is bad for them but sure they do love animals.
0 likesthe logic behind veganism is hilarious, they will do anything for these animals, but they wont do anything for the people getting slaughtered and murdered and raped and sold like slaves in the other side of the world. how can we save animals if we cant even save our own ,
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that makes zero sense... being vegan is a non action. you literally just dont contribute to animal agriculture. You can do that while also not contributing to harm against humans. being vegan doesnt stop you from helping elsewhere
0 likesHe probably doesn’t realize that animals eat each other and we are no different because we are animals too
0 likesStupid people keep trying to exclude our race from the food chain
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We shouldn’t base our morality off of the actions of animals though bro.
0 likes@Arthur Morgan Arthur Morgan
0 likes@Catch Hello
0 likes@Arthur Morgan nice name 😹
0 likes@Catch 🤣
0 likes@Arthur Morgan Arthur u were my childhood
0 likes@Arthur Morgan we are them
0 likes@AnarchyxRose Yeah but if I based my morality off the actions of a Chimpanzee I’d be in prison right now.
0 likes@Arthur Morgan yes but you are using the same logic and system I’m saying is not right
0 likes@Arthur Morgan we think we are better than other animals such as even saying we shouldn’t eat them but we are animals and these rules are put down by people and the same people saying not to eat animals
0 likes@AnarchyxRose It comes down to how you morally justify the unnecessary killing of living beings. Of course if you’re stranded on an island about to starve, you can morally justify killing animals to survive. But if you can live off of non-animal products, how can you justify the killing of animals?
0 likes@Arthur Morgan technically everything that has energy that we eat is alive so there should be no justification
0 likesShould we filter feed than?
Random ass grandma
0 likesYou a Savageeeee
0 likesI think what Jidion said was facts vegans worry to much on the people they can't get then the people they can get
0 likesvegan is a cult trend lol
0 likesJidion you funny af but you aint smart enough to debate lmao.
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he made good points wym ???
0 likes3:03 the moo💀💀💀
0 likesi just want to say the Bible does not justify slavery
0 likesPlant lives matter
1 likeBut the thing is god made the animals for you to eat there meant to be eaten
0 likesHaha
0 likesMeat eaters here
0 likesMeat eaters there
How long will it take for meat eaters to care?
Ok that’s sounds like some pussy shit.
I meant, “care” about their health.
I don’t eat meat, not really because I feel bad for the animals but mainly because, why tf would I ingest a carcass 😂
Animals die. We literally killed and hunted them in the past. How we kill them now is more humane. Meat tastes good so ima eat meat. I love animals but meat is meat g
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0 likesits called the circle of life animals die for food
0 likesGoing to a vegan restaurant to cook meat is the equivalent of going to a church to praise Satan
0 likesTell this vegan guy to go talk to a Lion and tell him that he can’t eat a Deer because it’s fucked up to kill an animal
2 likesBitch we eat to survive it is what it is
Plants are living being as well
I have never seen an animal being shot on the head
0 likesRight but you talk abt animals getting killed but if animal’s don’t die by us they would prolly die by there predators. We are using our environment just like they use there environment.
0 likesThe shit is real
0 likesJidion using such big words
0 likesBruh, even animals kills animals and eat their meat to survive. Why we shouldn't do it? While vegans eats their salad to save a cow, another animal is getting eaten by lions in the Safari tf
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0 likesThe vegan gets pegged fosho
0 likesJidion can go from Harvard🤓to Harlem so quick😂
0 likesPeople always saying shyt about slavery justification in the bible but at the same time tell you that everything had its purpose in the past.
0 likesConnect those dots and what you find is slavery back then was nothing like slavery more recent. You had homeless people that begged to serve someone because they had nothing and were treated very well. These people got taken in, but were expected to work.
I dont even believe in christianity but here i am defending against nonsense
“Lil nas x to dababy immediately” 💀 💀💀💀💀💀💀
0 likesHe should try converting a lion into a vegan
0 likesDid this man just say if aliens was real would we kill them food. I don't see how that is a good argument. He using hypotheticals to prove a point I using reality. The lion eat the gazelle, but we don't punish the lion.
0 likesDAAAANG JIDION CLAPPED BACK
0 likesHomie rly disrespected most religions and doesn’t see Wuts wrong wit it
0 likesEvery animal gonna die eventually. Might as well make use of its dead body 🤷
0 likes“shot in the head and froats slit”
0 likesJesus is King!
0 likesThese vegan mfs thinkin animals have feelings and shit if we don’t eat them the wild animals will😂
0 likesShit if we don’t eat that meat the predators will
1 likevegan's just dont understand the way of nature, animals eat each other too lmao, by your logic i shouldnt be eating plants because plants are living things
0 likesWe should treat the animals well. but meat incredibly useful to society. I'm not leaning toward either side, however I don't eat meat. Maybe one time a month
0 likes🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂💯
1 likeVegans, no killing animals
0 likes* proceed to seat in couches of leather.
God made animals for us to eat
1 likeGO FOR TYRONE
0 likesJiDion is my father
0 likesbro u goated for this🙏🏼
0 likesWhy we have the same cpu wallpaper😂
0 likesVegans mean no harm. They just care too much about things they can’t fix.
0 likesArent plants alive too though?🤔😂😂😂
2 likeswhat has religion to do with animal cruelty? A religion is to "believe in something". Animal cruelty is just a fact, it is not about a believe. A lot of vegans, are vegan because the cruelty, and a lot of other vegans, are vegan because it's killing our planet... How dumb is Amerika ffs?
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Bruh you care way too much about animals 🤣🤣 realistically, plants are more important to our survival. If we don't kill animals, some will over grow and ruin the eco system. Stop lying, you don't care about these animals, and they don't care about you.
0 likesI love you bro he legit had nothing to say except about slicing animals in the throat or shot in the head blah blah blah fuck that vegan shit lol I need meat no homo .
0 likesone argument both sides didn't talk about yooooo the animals are gonna die eventually might as well eat them lmaooo
0 likesKinda confused cause animals eat other animals for survival and technically the human species is an animal species so aren’t we just doing what we’re supposed to be dking
0 likesMmmmmm jidion I believe in the bible. Also dijion pro rawdog before marriage.
0 likesThe Bible doesn’t Justify Slavery 😂
0 likesim finna go eat a rack of BBQ Pork Ribs brb 😋
1 likeanimals has no conscience.. thats the difference between us and them😹 not the DNAs and these. Animals are created in the ecosystem to serve humans as food, vegans clearly has no good health dude to carence in zinc and mandy nutriments that are important to our body our bones and teeth. Everything in life is created for a reason even the smallest things. We should benefit from the gifts God gave us.
0 likesVegans tryna stop us being omnivores and the life cycles that's been goin on for billions of years 💀💀
0 likesMy uncle worked in a slaughterhouse they don't slit their throats they have co2 guns that instantly kill the cows and pigs and they move them to private pens so the other animals don't see
0 likesAnimals were shot in the heart and lungs, not head
0 likesIts life a cows get hunt by other animals its evolution PS# fuck Tyren
0 likesPTSD from killing an animal💀💀💀💀💀💀what a joke
0 likesEating bacon rn
0 likesBruh meat has nutrients and vitamins that vegetables don’t have
0 likesThis vegan person is so annoyed
0 likesThey dont shoot animals in the head💀 although its the most painless death ever
0 likes“Mooooo” 💀
0 likesits not healthy to be vegan. the human body needs the proteins and fibers from other things besides plants , salads have no nutritional value , it tricks your body into thinking its food but its just water , now if you put fruits and vegetables then yes it can be better , but if you can put chicken and steak with the fruits and vegetables then the salad is a great healthy meal. there is a set food chain that the world revolves around , if humans are at the top and humans just stop eating other animals then humans will start to go down the chain and become less dominant because there are too many other animals. and beyond meat or impossible meat , isnt the same thing as meat , you cant clone or mimmic genetic irons and fibers is not scientifically possible many people are being vegans because of the world around them and “for the animals” but what they dont realize is that their the ones actually hurting the ecosystems.
0 likesMan said if they had a non human DNA would you kill them
0 likesShould’ve mentioned to him that the bible stated that god gave man dominion over the animals…
1 likeMe watching this while slamming down chicken
0 likesI don’t care about the whole killing animals thing because at the end of the day it’s still gonna happen and it taste good and it has nutrients we need protein to help build muscle
0 likesLegendary 🤣
0 likesIn the Quran you have to kill the animal peacefully
0 likesgod did not put animals on this earth to roam freely they have to server a purpose like how bees pollinate animals where meant to be eaten
0 likesI just don’t understand why vegans act like I went outside grabbed a rifle myself and shot the cow like dawg I bought it at Walmart
0 likesJiDion won
0 likesThese animal lovers are insane😂
0 likesWOW MAN YOU ACUALLY SMART AND AS A MUSLIM I AGREE WITH U VEGANISM IS STUPID
0 likesOk, I like yes animals are being killed but no one, and I mean NO ONE (except for hunters) are shooting animals in the head to make food for people. No one. Why waste such a thing to kill one animal.
0 likesHumans are gonna continue to buy meat so the meat market isn't gonna stop
0 likesSoy boy needs to chill
0 likesVEGANS ARE BETTER AND WE DONT PAY FOR ANIMAL CRUELTY
0 likesHe was so pressed💀
0 likesPp
0 likesUsually am a JiDion fan but I’m vegan so I didn’t really like this one
0 likesBro I didn’t know you were Christian god bless bro 🤘🏻❤️
0 likesLowkey turned up the pressure on him mid collab😂😂😂
0 likesMeat is soooo gd no homo I love eating animals
0 likesyour so valid
0 likeswho the fuck told this man that animals are killed by getting fucking shot in the head
0 likesvegans really dont know how the food cycle works
0 likeshow he saving the cow when its already killed wtf
0 likes🙏🏾✝️
1 likeHe should've said,well animals eat animals
1 likei wonder wat vegans do when they get mice theyll just let them stay there
0 likesBut we aren’t killing the animals! We are getting the left overs!
1 likeI hate this guy
0 likesWhy is it okay for wild dogs, polar bears to eat other animals alive, and I can't do it humanely? Should we cancel nature now?
1 likebut like animals aren't people they'll be eaten by us or be eaten by other animals either way. I think some people are forgetting we also animals
1 likeAs a vegan. This is funny. But I hope you and every meat eater changes to a vegan life style so we can stop feeding big pharmaceutical companies by maintaining good health. Down with corporations. :(
0 likesI mean see for me i would go vegan but animals arent gonna stop being killed just bc i go vegan... if i tell sum1 hey dont eat that meat that doesn't mean 7 billion+ ppl are gonna stop eating meat
1 likeThis “cow pack “ 😭😭😭😭😭
0 likesw creator wtffff, i rly fuck with u cuz you are not aggressive and are peaceful with everyone and those strong morels
0 likesDABABY
0 likesF A C T S
0 likesPTSD from being a butcher what? Is this guy angry
0 likesHe went from lil nas x into da baby😭
0 likes“Dababy” 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
0 likesDude was so salty at the start and then saw the made from plants and started cheesing...
0 likesBruh if animals can kill other animals why is it wrong if we kill animals
0 likes“Bible believes in slavery”
0 likesMoses “😐”
Humans are superior to animals, smarter because they have languages in which they can express what they want and they can also pass the tradition not like animals, animals do not have tradition they have ability to survive.
0 likesI finished 3 chicken legs watching this one🤣
0 likesHe brings up genetics but also fail to realize we share genes with other carnivores, not to mention APES EAT MEAT as well. Humans are not superior, we happened to have developed a mutation where we grew more compacted neurons for the development of a larger brain, hence being able to critically think and solve complex problems. Every organims from prokaryotes to eukaryotes we "eat" other organisms for energy. If he feels bad about animals being killed then he should also feel bad about killings plants.
0 likesMy favorite animals are wolves. Does this guy know what they eat?
0 likesDoes this guy think that humans were meant to not eat meat, the Meat other animals eat for millennial, the meat we’ve been eating for thousands of years? And he thinks what happens naturally is wrong because he decided that all killing no matter the context is wrong? Yeah no, that argument doesn’t hold up at all.
0 likesJdion stick with the jokes don't try to do apologetics.
0 likesYo he’s a Christian that’s a big W
1 likeIt’s not a bullet that would poison the meant
0 likesTbh why does it matter? You eating plants takes away that animals food does it not?? Also cough cough circle of life
0 likesThe Bible never justifies slavery. Slavery in the Bible is drastically different then what the world corrupted it into.
0 likesDo vegans not think about the fact that animals kill other animals
0 likesPlants live and breathe also. So stop killing plants. See how that works out
0 likesI'm at the zoo with da lions🦁 apes🦧 and 🐻 you won't even make it there🤣
0 likesOrder opps🔫🤡 say they want
smoke🔫💨 wit me you don't wanna take it there💯😂
yes cause sexual assault by exposing yourself in front of feminist is = to eating meat in a vegan restaurant
0 likesWhere the veganists at?
0 likesW guy
0 likesbro the man makes no sense it literally says "prank"
0 likesW-video
0 likesI've worked in a slaughter house and they dont shoot anything in the head or slit throats. This dude is delusional about how meat is harvested. Now let's talk about how plant based food that's not raw plants makes more waste then raising animals for food.
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How?
0 likesJesus Christ was the lamb of God, since he sacrificed His own son we no longer are required to make sacrifices to God. Lamb sacrifice was before Christ’s death.
0 likesMan who gives a shit if animals shot in the head or it’s throat is slit Be happy it’s Ight
0 likesJust do it tomorrow daddy 🇷🇺💀🙏
0 likesMy friend is Muslim and he only eats Halal meat, halal meat is reared & killed differently (i’ve been told more peacefully at older ages on farms so the animal gets to truly live its life, i guess its about them not being allowed to have blood in it or something)
0 likesGod made animals for humans to eat
0 likesur Christian?
0 likesIdk if vegans know but the human body is built for us to eat meat. We're omnivores that's how it is that's how we're built
0 likes5:06 I woulda brought pig upstairs 😂
0 likesokay. he said animals being shot is not a opinion. okay then, plants being cut down is not an opinon. the thing is most people who eat animals use every part they can and never try to waste it. sure there's wasteful people out there, but we can't control everyone in todays day and age. the most logical reason i can think of killing animals and eating them is because plant based food doesn't provide the right nutrients for maintaining normal bodily functions. Such as protein, carbs, and all 9 essential amino acids. You need these to maintain normal bodily functions and you get them all from animal by-products. With plant based products you often have to take supplements to get the right nutrients. and vegans are often malnourished due to them not knowing enough, not all of them are like this, but some. and in most culture killing, and eating animals in their entirety is a very special thing. They use everything and respect the animal who allowed them to eat another day. it is sad that animals die, but i feel like if i respect them and appreciate them for feeding me and also not be wasteful with it. i think that's good enough, and vegan extremists are ridiculous
0 likesi ate a nice big steak after this
0 likesBruh I’m vegetarian but it’s pretty funny ppl needa chillll😂😂😂😂
0 likesA vegan is never gonna be able to stop animals from being killed. I know they wanna limit it, but animals die from natural causes, are eaten in the wild and are just needed for some for a good diet. You can get around it, but it’s taste so good to us for a reason. Are ancestors were actual hunters and gathers so we’re conditioned on eating that type of diet. Soy protein is also disastrous to the male hormone.
0 likesTake a shot every time he says "shot in the head" and/or "throats slit"
0 likesayy run this comment to 60 likes
1 likeW
0 likesThe animals didn't survive the gulag
0 likesThe other guy talking about being vegan (me eating a burger
0 likesI Love wings burgers and pizza with pepperoni 🤤 and especially steak that protein for gains💪🏿🤤 fck them animals i gotta eat 🤤
0 likes🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
1 likelet’s say hypothetically there were aliens
0 likesdouble u in the chat
0 likes“they suffer from PTSD, depression, anxiety” i’ve gutted and carved up plenty of animals in my life and that is 🧢
0 likesHella tried to bring in slavery
0 likesthis was a cool video man .
0 likesBro you gave me a taste of they own extreme ass medicine.
0 likesWay to be.
Salty af
Im eating a sausage and it’s good asf
0 likesjidion highkey stupid. kind of made me mad during the argument. like learn how to understand other people view points and be openminded to them rather than just instantly trying to invalidate or find a loophole around them. I'm not even vegan but like dang
0 likesTHAT COW PACK😭😭
0 likesBro I died when he hugged the old lady idk why 😭
0 likesBro I went vegan for a few months because my friend group pressured me into it with a lot of the reasons Ramms just put up here. My body was just fucked up. I was so tired and I looked more pale. I constantly had this bad taste in my throat and in the end idgaf abt veganism or vegetarianism. All I know is that my body was reacting harmfully. I feel that vegans always only focus on trying to get some non-vegans on to their side and that's just wrong
0 likesI don’t see a problem with killing animals I do see a problem with breeding animals and never letting them touch grass or go outside and just have the purpose of when your big enough im going to eat you. Like I thinks that’s cruel. I think animals should be free roam and not in like factories.
0 likesThat lil nas x to Dababy comment gotta be racially motivated
0 likesEating meat while watching this
0 likesDont animals kill eachother too for meat 🤨??
0 likesman really said butchers suffer with "ptsd and depression" 💀
0 likesBodied a turkey sandwich while watching this
0 likesWWWWWW
0 likesJidion is awesome
0 likesYall too
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0 likesPeople should be required to meet a certain meat intake requirement weekly to make sure there are no vegans
0 likes1:38 aww
0 likesAdding “Daddy” at the end of the caption makes it 1000 funnier 😂
0 likesHe should have fed a pig bacon in front of the guy
0 likesles Goo God Is Good AMEN!
0 likesbruh animals arnt shot in the head or there throat slit there injected with something to kill them without any pain
1 likeI’m eating chicken while watching this
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0 likesLet's throw them out in the wild in Africa and see if the lions are vegan friendly.
0 likesAnimals kill other animals for food, sometimes even sport, there is a thing called the food chain, every species has its own specific diet that keeps it alive and healthy.
0 likeshumans diet consists of meat, fruit, veg, nuts etc to be as healthy as possible, that’s a fact.
Y homeboy name the only two black rappers he could think of and it was lol Nas and dababy
0 likesCows are polluting the air with carbon dioxide with their farts so......
1 likeI’m eating meat rn
1 likeThey killing the plants plm 2022
1 likeMy daddy
1 likeI agree with like the idea but not eating animals is putting a animals death to waste. It’s not like if you don’t eat a pig the pig isn’t gonna get killed either way it will be killed but not using it for its purpose puts the animals death to waste
1 likeI love you Jidion!!!!
1 likeIts not evil when you kill them to survive, its just the natural way of life. Eating dumb veggies will just make you weak and bony. it dont give the protein you need. animals sometimes kill humans so should they all start eating plants then? No
1 likeI discovered a new hatred and it’s towards vegans
1 likeI eat meat, but to compare killing animals to an imaginary man in the sky is asinine. Thinking humans are superior with the only justification being some nonsense written in a fairytale is so silly. Dogmatic religious people like this need to realize that humans are self-glorified animals that have developed an evolutionary edge to life on earth, and that's it. You can eat meat and not delude yourself into thinking we're somehow beyond other lifeforms
1 likeYo this man a different kind of funny
1 likeIf we never killed cows they’d eventually deplete our ozone layer from producing methane with their farts and expose us to massive amount of rays which in result would wipe out most of the earth I understand people don’t want to hurt animals but no ozone equals no agriculture for their plants to not eat animals
1 likeVegan is dumb
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0 likesWatching this video as im eat me some good curry chicken 🤤
1 likeVegans: Eating meat in a vegan restaurant is exactly like sexual harassment and illegal indecent exposure.
0 likes“The Bible justifies slavery”
0 likesThe Jews who got saved from being slaves in Egypt: 😑
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Slavery in the Bible isn’t even the same thing historical slavery.
0 likes@Ethan F [revi] ya, that too
0 likesYou know it’s a good video when it’s age restricted
0 likes😭😭😭
0 likesThis guy brought up the bible 😂
0 likesBruh man said the Bible justifies slavery. Then why did God free the Israelites from slavery 🤔😑
1 likeSo do vegans get mad at animals for killing other animals to eat? 🧐
0 likesWow that dude was contradicting himself the whole time lol
0 likesThese liberals don’t know whether to worship him for his skin color, or assault him for having a different point of view.
0 likesTbh every one should have opinions but not force anyone to agree on there opinion
0 likesI never understood vegans I mean if mfs wanna eat meat let me shit it’s literally the circle of life animals kill each other everyday I mean cmon now 🤣🤣🤣
0 likesLions are getting cancelled for not eating grass
0 likesIt was a good video no lie but why bring the Bible into this he knew nothing about it just respect it simple 🧍🏻
0 likes"human with slightly different DNA" - no i would not kill and eat him, just like I don't kill and eat any animal, I don't eat lions for example, I don't eat rhinos, and i believe most people don't, because those animals just aren't what we eat, we eat certain animals which we breed & raise to kill.
0 likesthis side of his content disgusts me, when he wastes others peoples time
0 likesAre vegans actually furries?
0 likesHas vegans ever heard of over population think about it if we stop eating meat then the world is going to be crowded with animals everywhere until our generation is over so eat meat everybody 👍
0 likes7:24 the fact he brought up slavery is so sad bro new he was losing so he brought up slavery
0 likesdo you think animals get shot in the head and their throat slit or no
0 likesDemocracy
0 likesBro I get my 20 gage or 45 mag and shoot a deer in the neck to eat.it.
0 likesHe’s not even vegan anymore lol and he says eating meat made him happier and life feel better lolllll
0 likesi knew jidion was smart but dam he is smart
0 likesi’m officially a virgin now that guy was nice!
0 likesnah he tweakin 😭😭
0 likesIf you guys didn’t catch it animals get shot in the head and get their throats slit
0 likesAny organized religion is stupid as fuck. Find your own spirituality.
0 likesHumans were never meant to consume meat
0 likesI ate the best ham sandwich while watching this 🔥🐷🍔
0 likesThis got so passive aggressive
0 likesi don’t understand vegans like the one in the vid. animals eat other animals if that’s in their diet. if u guys rly want to protect animal then you’d have to isolate them from all their predators, not just us.
0 likesi don’t understand vegans like the one in the vid. animals eat other animals if that’s in their diet. if u guys rly want to protect animal then you’d have to isolate them from all their predators, not just us.
0 likesi don’t understand vegans like the one in the vid. animals eat other animals if that’s in their diet. if u guys rly want to protect animal then you’d have to isolate them from all their predators, not just us.
0 likesU a legend
0 likesI would want to ask about over population because if we do t kill animals there will just repopulate over over again and there will be just a 1000 cows walking down the street
0 likesEating a burger while watching this
0 likesGenesis 9:3... nough said.
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Also slavery in the bible was a lot different... in culture it was often a form of payment... also people who owned slaves were supposed to treat them more like servants.. take care of them etc. None of it was race/hate based... just a different culture :)
0 likes7:50
0 likesAt a Brazilian steakhouse watching this video
1 likeWe had major flood in Fraser valley b.c thousands of farm animals drowned no peta or vegans in sight guess who was saving the live stock ? The FARMERS !
0 likesThe crazy thing about the Bible is that it’s the only piece of material that makes sense no matter what time you read it. It predicted every major thing to happen so far in history.
0 likesDam u sounding smart but u look so sexy no homo tho
0 likes4:52
0 likesNot me casually eating chicken while watch this
0 likesI think vegans don’t necessary understand the cycle of life….what are they gonna do now? Protest against carnivorous animals?
0 likesdo these people understand that animals don’t experience pain or feelings in the same way as humans? and that the food chain exists? it’s literally the natural order of life and a cow that gets killed and ate lives a more meaningful life than any middle aged soy drinking big fore-headed man virtue signaling about not eating something that is literally meant to be ate
0 likesthis guy seems like a female thrown in a males body
0 likesI legit just ate a burger
0 likesAy if I don’t eat that cow the wolf is going to
0 likesit’s not a belief! 😭 cry more vegan.
0 likesSee if you see eating animals like killing then you're gonna press charge on lions and they didn't shot or cut the throat they do the worst,I mean I m kinda against overusing of anything and killing animals till they extinct or didn't care about anyone just human that's fucked up because that's gonna destroy earth and us humans too but there is nothing wrong in eating animals because it's nature ,they are supposed to be eaten either by you or anyone to control their population and that's why they have high reproductive capabilities than carnivore animals and don't you guys ever read food web or food Chain ,plants convert light energy into chemical energy which eaten by herbivores and then carnivores so that nutrient and energy can transfer in biosphere and less energy transfer to things like tectonic plate,I hope vegans learn about ecology more .
0 likesAnd those who think like eating plants are okay ,if you can't see a distinctive face in them it doesn't mean they didn't feel or response don't you heard of plants which eat insects or plants like orchids for example a orchid which transform its petal into female bee and male bee copulate with it and in process seeds get attached with bee body and it help in in reproduction of orchid.huh
New phone who dis
0 likesThis video got age restricted so apparently eating meat goes against YouTube’s terms of service
1 likeThese 808s in the video thumping in my car
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0 likesI’m eating chicken while watching
0 likesThey really tried the you went from this to this lil nas to dababy lol
0 likesThis guy just does not give a fuck and thats why i like him.
0 likesThat guy said shot in head and slit on throat like 1000 times lol
0 likesI’m ngl....if we aren’t spose to eat animals why did God give us animals too eat, and sharp canines to tear meat, yeah we kill animals but animals also kill eachother, it’s the life cycle , learned this in elementary I thought lmao
0 likes8:55
0 likesYes they do exist and they are called chimpanzees.
Animals killing animals this guy is terrified
0 likesHumans kill to live. Fuck animals they are nothing but food l
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Fr we just smarter we at the top of the food chain
0 likesLil nasx to dababy is some shit you would say but what the fuck is he saying????
0 likesI am vegan but I don't like the vegan protesters who disturb and annoy people just trying to eat there meal. I see it as: You do you and me do me.
0 likesBut still... Go vegan Woo!
What’s the background music when he reveals it’s a prank
0 likespro-meat gang
0 likesI deadass thought bro was the shady penguin on the thumbnail
0 likeshow is this age restricted
0 likesCool dude but weak arguments.
0 likesThe bilbe is also a very weak argument. An sacrificial offering ist always meant symbolic as an metapher.
The Fakt is:
Eating meat is not the problem. Humans always have been doing it 4ever.
The amount is.
The Thing is back in the day ( your grandparents generation) they had meat once a week.
Nowadays you eat it 3 times day.
When more food is needed more food is served in the first world countries we live in.
Meat is so cheap nowadays it gets thrown away. Nowadays farmers have to put 100 cows in a stable, where their grandparents used to put in 30, just to be able to compete with the low prices.
lets say the plants then..
0 likesI can't take people who go against GOD
1 likeBro that human thing with slightly different DNA... That's literally the stupidest thing I've ever heard. No, we wouldn't kill them. Why? Because they still have human meat. Humans can't (well they can) eat their own meat but it's really really really really not healthy for you. So that just debunked that who situation. I do feel like this guy is just trying to scare JiDion or just make him feel bad and make him change his opinion. Which is kind of fucked. You shouldn't have to SCARE someone just to forcefully change someone's opinion. I mean my guy was like "the Bible talks about slaves!" Ok...? and...?
0 likeswoah the bible never justified our terms of slavery today, the meaning of slave was way different back then, when it says slaves obey your masters it doesn’t mean our meaning today, there isn’t a stance to record in the bible of what the definition was in that time
0 likesThe vegan guy is hella ignorant
0 likesGoodluck living a vegan lifestyle dont @ me when you’re bones are brittle in old age 😘
0 likesfeeling the white guy more than jid that vid not sry to say was good vid but white guy ist good man and jid kinda wasnt there (kinda cuz he as good man but obv. wanted to argue some but white man good andsmart man)
0 likesWtfff is a” feminist restaurant”
0 likesWhat about carnivores…..I would say that animals die worse deaths by an actual carnivore than by a human shooting them in the head
0 likesvegans are big time L-nerds
0 likesvegans the type of people to beg their husband/wife for sex lmfao
YALL IM DYING
0 likesIf I had the option to I would be vegan but it’s hard especially growing up and people sometimes I’m too broke to be vegan
0 likesIt’s the David‘s for me🤣 nah jkjk. I’m late af
0 likesThese vegans say “it doesn’t have to happen” then only live to only be 55😂
0 likesat the end of the day just bc accouple of people stop eating meat that doesn't mean there not going to stop making meat products and if u think about it vegans are eating the animals food so really they are also the bad guys
0 likeswhos to say we bought from said slaughter house. animals we eat have been eaten since religion came about and before. just because you have the means to support a special diet experiment that contradicts how humans evolved diet wise. people are still starving and if a dead animal can help another live on im here for it. u aint been to 7th grade where u learn about how all energy is from the sun and we pass like 10 percent each time somethings eaten? you tryna be bottom of the chain and devolve? thank you, ill go back to eating my bacon burger
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Whoa but fda has regulations in place so the animal feels no harm when ever they are put down. Humans are omnivores by nature and I eat in accordance. I have nothing against vegans or vegetarians but meat slaps and imma indulge.
0 likesfucking vegans
0 likesY'all have a shot in the head counter?
0 likesI shot a deer yesterday and ate it
1 likeThis is so cringey to watch
0 likesCognitive dissonance is strong asf in all vegans, yes all vegans. Vegetarians are cool n chill but vegans... so this dude had an issue with him going to a vegan establishment and cooking meat.. bit bookie but harmless.. nothing compared to a hoard of vegans posting up outside a steakhouse shouting at customers and making his business look bad to go to (as in why would you put yourself through going to a place where you're gonna get shouted at)
0 likesBut its fiiiiiiine we know the agenda. Just keep your ideology to yourself.
Yea it's ok to kill any thing thats not our DNA
0 likesi actually lost brain cells when the vegan was talking ab the Bible
0 likesgod made animals so we can eat them
0 likesThe vegan was a good sport about it though!
0 likesFeminist cafes exist? Send me location
0 likesThat vegan guy is a hypocrite, I post a comment in his video but he deleted it because he can't find anything to counter my comment.
0 likesHe criticize others but don't want others to criticize him.
The thing is if you don't lessen or kill animals they are just gonna cause overpopulation over earth and distributing,killing them for meat is the best way to control it without wasting their lives
0 likesDaBaby
0 likesHe destroyed hom
0 likesThe lion doesn't care about it's prey/food why should we when we are on top of the food chain?
0 likesIm indigenous so I don't have the choice to go vegan cause we live in cold weather's so trees don't grow so we didn't have much resources so we hunt
0 likesPretty chill video tbh
0 likesGetting leaves from plants dont hurt the plants?
0 likesbut then why did god make animals if we shouldn't kill them...
0 likesOohhh it’s a wanna be pewdiepie looking…
0 likesGod provide us with animals to eat not let over population the earth
0 likesLet’s go thanksgiving with an artificial turkey
0 likesYo this video is nice
0 likesThe vegan dude was cool
0 likesWho else is eating turkey for thanksgiving
1 likeHe's like black papa franku.
0 likesAm I the only one that saw him put Ted Bundy in the Thumbnail
0 likesThen theres people like me that hunt the animal and cook it up after lmao... please tell me whitetail deer and canadian geese are going extinct oss 😂 man has been hunting since before any of us so its not something to shun someone for...
0 likes😅I feel really bad, the veagan dude is really cool, at the same time I like jidion
1 likebruh animals aint die peaceful in nature
0 likesI am never giving up them ribs and steak no matter how many vegans come on me
0 likesOmg animals eat other animals stfu
0 likesDawg u proved no valid point wit this
0 likesW
0 likesBro you cant bring the bible into veganism.. it wont match up. Genesis its self proves veganism was the right way and you can get that out of the first 10 pages of the bible lol. The vegan guy is just trying to point out that animals obviously suffer and the vegan would just rather not bring suffering for his or hers taste buds. Vegan food is great tasting and is good for you (but like any other food there is vegan junk food) . Beliefs have nothing to do with veganism. Its simply just seeing the brutality in something and you try to mitigate it as much as possible. Its not hard to understand but people will always find some kind of excuse and that's why vegans need to do their best not to judge people but instead educate people on what they personally contribute to.
0 likesI’ve never heard of a “feminist restaurant/cafe” lmaoo
0 likesBoth good sports xx
0 likesBut for all you vegans out there humans killing animals wont stop animal deaths it's apart of the life cycle accept it or not if us humans dont kill animals there are so many animals that kill each other and not everyone pays for animals to die like I buy meat from stores the animal is dead regardless if I bought or my neighbor so I'm not saying vegan is wrong I'm saying dont judge and blame us for that stuff
0 likesatheists always like to say the bible promotes slavery and that is the most taken out of context thing ever. read the bible. no it doesnt
0 likesVegans should go stop crocs and big cats killing
0 likesMan I just feel, I know you wanna get laughs and shit I really think what youre doing here is just an asshole thing man.
0 likesbruh when he brought up that the bible supports slavery
0 likesSlaughter houses do it so it does not hurt the animal also it’s how life works you need meat for a balanced diet 😹👎
1 likeYeh don’t care. I’ll be waiting for a part 2.
0 likesLMAO! Vegans are so cringe
1 likeNot wanting to kill animals and encouraging others to do so is not extreme bro
0 likesSigma rule 42069# insult vegans
1 likeSlavery is not justified by the bible (there were two groups of slave), it was trying to say that slaves were basically ppl who had debts so they had to work for someone , now the other types of slaves like the one that gets beaten the bible doesn't justify bcz if it was God wouldnt have delivered the Israelites from Egypt
0 likesThat dude was pressed.
0 likesIf you so sympathise with the animals why not live with them vegans? Why live in this society made up by humans on top of the food chain where killing of animals and domination was necessary? If you feel so bad go out to the forest and eat and live with the deers and get eaten. Man why does the west have to be so stupid
0 likesThe point about a semi human being killed for meat was so stupid
0 likesBecause we already have somewhat of a similar concept with monkeys
I'm sure someone's out there eating monkey meat, but generally, no, we're not going to kill them.
The only reason we find it acceptable to kill animals is because they're not as smart as us, and generally don't even have a concept of death or the fear of it, so they're quite literally indifferent anyway
Did anyone else see the ad he had on his phone
0 likesI wanna be vegan but i also want to eat meat so just create good fake meat
0 likesHomie saved his ass
0 likesHow is not eating meat helping the animals that get killed like it don’t change anything
0 likesVegans forget animals don’t have a conscious, hopes and dreams. It’s not bout the dna it’s about the ability to have complex thoughts that’s why we don’t eat very smart animals like dolphins.
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They have consciousness they don't have the theory of mind
0 likes"Vegan extremist"🤣
1 likeBro what world do I live in
The slit their throats and shitted in the head yuh
0 likesHe’s racist
0 likesYo I was your 100,000th like, your welcome bro, love ur videos
0 likesI care about animals but ain’t gonna cry when they die 😂 Imagine being a b****h over animals dying. It’s the circle of life.
1 likeWhat? Did he say the bible justifies slavery??! How far gone can you be
0 likesWho are u to tell him that the Bible isn’t right?
0 likesthe only thing this man says is “ slit throat” “shot in the head” like be more original
0 likesThe animals they kill to sale at the market don’t get shot nor there throat slit they get hit a with a paralyzing darts and they die peacefully not from a. Bullet
0 likesBut like lowkey when we kill animals its just the circle of life.
0 likesWhy he just randomly hug that old lady in the store lmao
0 likesThese vegans act like their beliefs are the one and only way
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Ong
0 likesVegan teacher’s husband ⚠️
0 likesbeing a vegan won't help there's 7 Frking billion ppls and not even 1% is vegan
0 likesLol
0 likesNever gonna be a vegetarian like my burgers too much
0 likesI had a question these people don’t complain when a animal kills another for food same thing we’re wronge but they not ?
1 likeI'm fucking drunk
0 likesbro nobody is going to get ptsd and depression from trying to live, when you kill an animal using all the parts of the animals body is respectful
0 likesidk why but the vegan dude kinda gives off pewdiepie vibes
0 likeseven animals eat other animals like its just the way the world is tiger eats other animals for food just like humans we are animals too we eat other animals for food too there is a reason why meat is good for our blood and etc because thats the way world is.
1 likeI don’t shoot animals in the head a heart shot is better
0 likesImo. The killing of animals for food is okay it’s the natural way of life we are at the top of the food chain. The treatment of animals is a different thing tho
0 likeswhat size monitors are you using int his video ? random question. please answer fam <3 ily
0 likesBruh it’s the circle of life…L vegan didn’t watch lion king
0 likesHe end a beef with a vegan
0 likesthe animal was already dead bro vegans are so lost
0 likesTwo grown men talking about food
0 likeshomie rlly said what if someone had animal dna would you still kill animals LOOOOOOOL
0 likesmass slaughtering animals is kinda fucked up das why I eat localy produced meat, to ensure the animals had a happy life and were'nt cramped in a tiny space
0 likesmeat slaps tho
Dababy
0 likesBro just cook real meat in the call
0 likesSo humans shooting animals in the head is a problem but humans shooting humans in the head and animals killing humans is not a problem?
0 likesVegans man literally trolling, their arguments are braindead. Like yeah if ur vegan go ahead no one minds but if ur gonna force ur ideals on someone get outta here. Like dud look at 3rd world countries man literally dying with disease and shit and this is what their arguing about 😔
0 likesDid someone keep a “throats slit” and “shot in the head” count?💀
0 likesHumans are at the top of the food chain, if everyone went vegan it would screw the eco system up.
0 likesWhat kind of slaughter house cuz talking about? Animals are not shot in the head😭😭
0 likesAll i heard was "Throat slit"
1 likeyou are a good prankster but your discussion skills, are bad af. kinda cringe video after you revealed your prank.
1 like🤣🤣😂😭💀🤣😭🤣😭🤣💀💀🤣😭😭🤣😂🤣💀😭😭🤣😂💀💀💀💀🤣🤣🤣😭😂😂🤣💀
0 likesDamn bruh hit him with some facts at the end tho
1 like"the bible was written thousands of years ago... "
"so now youre saying my religion is outdated "
"no thats not what im saying"
no farmer that farms animals for a living shoots the animals in the hed that would be a waste of money and bullets.
0 likesI’m no vegan but your religion is outdated indeed
1 likeThat vegan dude is a soft clown, I'm gonna cook up a fat steak right now
0 likesHe should of wore a raccoon hat
1 likeThey don’t shoot them in the head 😂
0 likesNice 🤣🤣👌👌
0 likesWassup with this guy & “Slitting” “Slit”, sure he’s not the one doing the Slit?
0 likesSo this guy gonna go after a black guy? Does he know Asians eat dogs everyday???? 🥺
0 likes"I care for animals" Congratulations to you, you care for an inferior life form. All of creation exists for humanity to subjugate, we are the greatest species in existence and no animal, no god, and no devil comes close to our greatness.
0 likesThis guy's only points are that "animals get shot in the head and get their throats slit." Every single time
0 likeshe says it like its a horrible murder and just happen to use the meat
0 likesWhat’s the song at the end
0 likeswait till they find out plants are also living things
0 likesI‘m completely fine with if ur vegan. But let other people eat what the fckin want tf
0 likesThe dude did the rock move
0 likesGo see Tyrone your at 200k
0 likesJesus came so we didnt have to sacrifice animals, but just ask for forgiveness. You gotta read past the old testament bro
0 likes"There's a camera here, there's a camera there, there's a camera over here AHHHHHHH" LOL
0 likesVegans like that dude are delusional
0 likesActually respect for not being serious and it being fake meat. I love beef, chicken, etc but it was nicr
0 likesI mean shit how we gonna save animals if other animals kill animals?
1 likeLittle does this activist know that killing animals is part of nature and if we dont we die so yeah take that.....
1 likeBut also this guy pays to have plants cut down so its a tie.
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Most of the animals who kill for food could not survive if they didn’t. That is not the case for us. We are better off not eating meat. Many other animals are vegetarian/vegan, including some of our closest primate relatives. Why don’t we look to them as our example instead of to carnivores?
0 likesLol plants are alive just like animals are
0 likesIm a Christian and I can say that Jidon with love and respect you are not a Christian. The Bible is clear that if you have not repented of yours sins and trusted in Christ Jesus alone for salvation you are not saved and will be condemned to hell. I would like to talk to you more about this private and will pray for you.
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The bible was also clear when jesus said his father is greater than him its clear sign that jesus isnt god/ but a massage of allha
0 likesAlso There is huge chance i wont replay if you went the truth ask the peple who knows alot about quran and reads it then he well tell you why ur religon is fake you can use ur mind and ask also others
0 likes@عبدالرحمن 777 Heb 1:8 - But of the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your kingdom. The Bible is truth weather you believe it or not and will be accountable for this. Unless you don’t repent and believe in Christ Jesus which He says he’s the only way John 14:6, you will go to hell.
0 likesIsn’t getting shot in the head the best way to go anyways? Especially when you don’t even know it’s about to happen? It’s just life, then not. I’d definitely take getting shot in the head at the peak of my life then live old and in pain then get eaten alive by a pack of hyenas water
0 likesI got coup me some of his merch as soon as I get money
0 likesbro expects animals to die in their deathbed in nature
0 likesIts always funny how vegans forget that plants are also living beings. And i dont see any vegans out there preventing lions or crocodiles from eating other animals when its so cruel to kill, but deny the circle of life and basic biology including animals eating insects and so on.
1 likeHypocrites. As long as everybody is eating plants and plant products, I am still gonna eat meat forever.
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Most of the animals who kill for food could not survive if they didn’t. That is not the case for us. We are better off not eating meat. Many other animals are vegetarian/vegan, including some of our closest primate relatives. Why don’t we look to them as our example instead of to carnivores? The circle of life doesn’t always mean killing to survive. We are not about that life and rather pay someone else to do the killing..Or does you’re natural hunting instinct kick in when you a rabbit or any other animal that we as humans consume..?
1 likeWhat kind of ignorant uneducated comment is this ....
0 likes"plants are living beings as well"
"What about the lion and the crocodile"
Just because something is alive ... doesn't make it a SENTIENT being.
Just like the wise bloke down here already stated ... Carnivores NEED to eat meat in order to survive ... You don't ... so that's not even a valid argument.
You refer to "the circle of life" ... p p p p p p l e e e e a se
Bro ... just know you are quoting "Roger Allers" the main writer of the Lion King
There is no such thing as the circle of life other than in that awesome original 1994 animation film.
What you are talking about is the "food chain"... and we are not taking part in that either.
We are sitting on top of that (mostly with obese and overweight white folks) ONLY taking from it and not (mentionably) giving back to it at all.
We are only disrupting it! Abusing it! and exploiting it!
The only hypocrite is you (and the other 98% of non vegans in the western/developed world) claiming it's basic biology.
We are not carnivores, we are not omnivores,.... we ARE herbivores/frugivores on a poisoning omnivore diet.
And it's good for nothing but destruction of health, forest land, wildlife, the climate and any LIVING being on this planet.... even your precious non-sentient plant lives.
If you speak so on a topic you better do your homework.
Peeps like you quoting the Lion King, concerned about 'Plant lives" while eating meat (which effectively causes 20x more plants than a plant based diet) just need to STFU and do some basic Google search about your Human Anatomy/biology, your carbon footprint and the devastating effects of your (misjudged) actions.
Not being familiar with a topic is ok... but don't come out like you know what the hell you are talking about when you obviously don't have the slightest clue of what is or what's not.
Do your own research, prevents people like me lecturing numbnuts like you.
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ps. #GOVEGAN!
I dont care what you call them plants and insects are still living beings wether you seem as one or dont. Both can feel pain. Just because you dont recognize them as such doesnt mean i or the rest of the world does. Sentient beings is smth that i dont believe is needed to qualify as a living being. Thats where our opinion goes apart.
1 likeAlso labeling and blaming people as fat white folk shows what a limited and rascist small mind you have.
@B B if you care so much about living beings... Why are you not vegan!
0 likesIt has been PROVEN to be the best solution for now to do the least HARM to all life forms... Yes including PLANTS and BUGS.
You are VERY selective in what you "reply" to... Without even reading to what has been said.
The WESTERN/DEVELOPED world is populated by MOSTLY white people with an obesity rate of 57% (adults)
if we'd includde children we would stretch this number by another 11%.
Call me a racist but uhmmm these Statistics don't lie... Even if YOU are ignorant about them.
You come with anecdotal pseudo sciences about plants feeling pain 🤷🏾♂️
Sure... Let's say they did, and let's pretend you cared!!
Why are you with your carnist diet still causing them at least 20x more harm than the average vegan would do?
The animals you are eating are herbivores... As in PLANT eaters.
The amount of plants, bugs, water, land and CO2 emissions, carbon dioxide etc deaths/damage you cause with your diet is unprecedented!!!
No one I know was born into a vegan family (though they are obviously out there)
It takes some small research to figure out what that diet of yours is causing to everything you pretend to care about.
No one can make you go vegen.
They can only point out what your unaware/ignorant/uneducated actions are about.
The damage they do and the violent atrocities you support at the moment with your money/choices.
What you do with that... Is fully up to your personality and character.
Stop the B.S replies... Go check it out yourself... Saves me a lecture and you some "dignity"...
Don't know your age but uhmm... You on some ol'school propaganda shizzle...
Plants FEEL pain... Think of that the next time you step on a lawn 😅... Get out of here with your sorry excuses just not to face an obvious truth!
MEAT IS MURDER
Dang
0 likesIn all seriousness the vegan movement is very anti human movement. Humans are above the animals.
0 likes“Animals are shot in the head and have their throats slit” yeah how else we supposed to eat the meat. I ain’t gonna cut the meat out while it’s alive, that’s way more cruel. Shit taste too fucking good to give up.
0 likesVegans be spending so much energy on animals instead of underprivileged people, drugs, gambling homelessness etc . Seems like they lack purpose and use animals to get a sense of purpose and fulfilment and identity .
0 likesloved the end
0 likesYeah it’s fucked up killing animals but it’s just the circle of life. It sucks seeing a lion kill a baby buffalo but it’s not wrong. This is how it’s been for million of years and I doubt it will ever change for as long as animals exist.
1 likeCow pack the loudest pack 🚬
0 likesHow about we just give a small amount of animals.to vegans so they can shut up. We keep ours and we do what we want with our food. I mean animals
0 likesMeat looked bussin PAUSE!!!
0 likesHe thinks people kill animals just to slit their throat😂 does he not know that's how people get fed?? If nobody killed animals, our species wouldn't be here today.
1 likeWhat were the animal’s here for what they gon do let the pigs and cows roam around 😂
0 likesTake a shot every time he says shot in the head throat slit
0 likesfrl a menace to society, im all for it lmaoooo
0 likesi just peep he said lil nasx and dababy cause he black mad racist
0 likesYouTube asked me if I want too continue because it’s inappropriate for certain people lmao 😂😂😂😂
0 likesThat thumbnail is so damn cursed if you know who Ted Bundy is haha
0 likesDinosaurs used to rip other animals apart and eat some pieces from them…we try our best to kill in a non painful way the animal to eat it after because humans need meat. We are animals technically and we should not restrain from eating meat…lions rip skin and flesh off of live animals, thats hella painful…we one shot the specific animal and not pain is given upon it. Meat contains multiple vitamins and is high in protein, much higher in protein than any vegetables or non meat things.
0 likesThe amount of times he said get shot in the head and throats slit
0 likesDavid Ramms has zero logic and seems like an extremist. Especially when he insinuated that all feminist are women, whereby you could show your “Dong” to a male feminist. Thus, being a feminist is not exclusive to women. Also, he did a false comparison by even bringing that up in conjunction to being a vegan. That’s what we call a reach. He further tries to justify his point with fallacies. Worry about your own greenhouse fam.
0 likesEven animals kill other animals. It’s life. We are at the top of the chain. We were all created to be in this chain. If we didn’t kill animals their would be an overpopulation of them. They would take over and feed on all the things vegans eat. So therefore we would have no food if everyone went vegan
0 likesthe food chain.
0 likesI worked in a kill house he said we get ptsd wtf lol 🤣🤣🤣
0 likesI everybody stops eating meat and chicken and eggs, then they'll be too much animals on earth, and we're gonna have to start killing them
1 likeAnimals are different because they don't have souls they aren't the same as humans
0 likesIt's not like animals are the same as humans just a little different.
0 likesThis dude is a menace 😂
0 likes5:30 a lot of them are crazy af but I can't lie, he got you right there
0 likesit would so funny if his friend ran in with meat and starting hitting jidion with it
0 likesif vegans don't eat animals why they made of food???
0 likesKilling animals does have to happen brother. The food chain and circle of life exists . If people just had to hunt their own meat everything would change , but money exists
0 likesNo where in the Bible does Jesus say he is for slavery there was slavery happening in that time but that was normal. And the Bible is telling a story it isn’t Jesus talking all the time.
0 likesActs 17:25-28 that God made all races and nations, all of us by one blood (verse 26) for His purposes.
I wanna work in a slaughterhouse so I can cut a cow's head off
0 likesThing is animals are dying and god isn’t real lol
0 likesbro god put animals on this planet for food and to be harvest there animals they dont deserve the same rights as we humans we are the apex predator and we must stay that way
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am im right
0 likestbh i think vegans are arguing the wrong point here because people will never stop killing and eating meat, instead they should be arguing to give these animals better living conditions cause at the end of the day, what we do to the animals is wrong. but on top of that, animals only exist to reproduce and once they’re done that, they die so inherently eating meat is fine but the way we treat them before is kinda fucked up
1 likebro actin like cows be going thru some street shit getting shot in the head like tf that's now how that works
0 likesYeah this guy is the most intelligent being ever. Veganism is 10000% about saving animal lives and nothing else. Lol frl though veganism is mostly about health. Buying a burger in stores doesn’t have as big of an impact as the animal being fed antibiotics and sent out to be consumed. Idk. Jidion wasn’t much of an asshole. This guy had a bad argument.
0 likestell him to go infront a lion say hes vegan
0 likesNew diss track on diss man soon?🤣
0 likesngl I like jidion but his arguments were ass
0 likesLmaoo
0 likesW jidion l other guy
0 likesLmao the guy is so tight for no reason
0 likesliterally eating chicken strips and steak rn watching this hmmmmwww
0 likesImagine thinking they would shoot animals
0 likesGo see Tyrone 😂😂
0 likesDo vegans know that plants are living organisms too bruhhh
0 likesGod gave us animals so we can have food
0 likesThis guys was super biased and triggered like a normal white person lmao
0 likes“I had to get yo ass” 🤣
0 likesNot me eating meat watching this
1 likeHe just pays for the part of the animal to not be waisted
0 likesDamn that ginger vegan guy seems like such a snowflake
0 likesFun drinking game guys, have a shot every day Time he says slit their throats and shoot them in the head
1 likeBro said throats slit and shot in the head 10000000000×
0 likesFirst he said the bible justifies slavery. In the bible slavery had nothing to do with race I you needed money to pay off debts you could be a slave
0 likesNo way he is from finland I feel so gringe for my country now
0 likesI don’t give a fuck how the animals die you must be soft as hell if that offends you
0 likes#savetheplants
0 likesVegans help with over population
0 likesSomeone get this guy a juicy steak
0 likesnah but this guy actually seems kinda chill...
0 likestbh i dont really care what vegans think, if eating meat is legal, then ima do it
0 likes"True morals" don't really exist the only one we can universally agree upon is murder is bad
0 likesThe fuck is a feminist cafe
0 likesI’m not a vegan and I’ll never stop eating meat but no cap the other dude is right
0 likes1:01 dude kinda sound and look like dark viper au
0 likesAnimals kill each other for a meal and we are just advanced animals so why is it wrong for us to kill and eat other animals?
0 likesJesus loves y’all
1 likeIf a zombie apocalypse happens I wonder wat they gon eat
0 likesyo we have the same controller
0 likesBro the poor plants
0 likesThe only reason i don't think that people should be vegan is because it isn't natural. In the wild animals eat other animals, humans are omnivorous creature therefore they eat BOTH plants AND animals. It's just the cycle of life, prey gets eaten by predator.
1 likewho was that random old lady he hugged
0 likesSee my issue with that thinking is look at nature. Nature literally has no morals animals get eaten alive every day; eaten by bigger predators in gruesome fashion and that’s fine. However when humans kill an animal that’s inhumane. It’s done fast and swiftly; unlike ya know being eating while still being conscious. There ain’t no problem loving animals and wanting no harm to come to them but regardless of humans existing or not the animals still die horrific deaths daily and avoiding this aspect of diet does not change this. Plus if we never consumed animals that would really fuck up the food chain and lead to drastic overpopulation.
0 likesThe Bible’s slavery isn’t the same as American slavery 💀. Bibles slavery is for debt and all that and they aren’t yk TORTURED
0 likesThe problem with the vigen group is that a part of them want to shove it down peoples throats. It’s not all of them but that group that dose that makes them all look bad.
0 likesI love my veggies but we sheend the meat 🥩
As a filipino I can't imagine living without meat I think most people here would rather die than be forced to not eat meat.. So much of our culture is surrounded by roster fighting, pig slaughtering, ect.. If some white people want to push their culture on us they should just not talk.
0 likesIt's only a "belief" when you disagree with them lmao
0 likesGod says in the bible that we are aloud to eat meat
0 likesSave the plants 🌱 🙌😀😂
0 likesThe thought of going into a feminist cafe and whipping my dong out arouses me
0 likesW
0 likes7:22 you where shitittng on that poor man so hard, straight beat the woke with more woke
0 likesStop screaming we can hear you!!
0 likesI bet he’s for abortion
0 likesi eat double the meat to cancel out the vegans who think they are making a difference 😈
0 likesAlways feel wrong when a black person says “in America everyone has the right to believe in what they want”
0 likesMeanwhile I’m getting ready for deer hunting next week. 🤣
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Man I love deer hunting. No just playing I never hunted before but I really want to
0 likesI actually like the guy to the right
0 likesHe got destroyed
0 likesAdam and eve had to survive some way
0 likesnot eating meat isn't going to change the fact that meat will be produced so you might as well enjoy it
0 likesI have not saw one bad Video in this man's yt channel.
0 likesProps to that David ram guys for not being a total dick about the whole thing. I get on his videos he kinda has to play it off a little bit and act real mad because if he didn’t he wouldn’t have a audience. I like that he was able to have a normal conversation though and actually speak on a way that might change peoples minds instead of just going crazy and speaking irrational, kinda like he did comparing a man going into a feminist restaurant ( didn’t know they existed ) and pulling your dick out.
0 likesGOATED
0 likesShooting a cow is a waste of money
0 likesThis dude said the Bible justifies slavery?? Bruh he doesn’t read the Bible if he thinks that
0 likesWe did not evolve for hundreds of thousands of years to become omnivores for this
0 likesThey don’t shoot animals in the head they use a Device called a thumper that looks like a drill and takes a blunt metal rod about 5 inches long and 3 inches wide and instantaneously kills them without making them suffer
1 likeI think god put animals on the earth for our nutrition.
0 likesWhen u gonna see Tyrone?
0 likesMy guy with the oldschool Nelk song for impact 4:35. W!
0 likesI can't beleave he didn't had a "slit theyr throat and shot in the head" counter going
0 likesmeanwhile im eating steak watching this video
0 likesThey don’t get shot in the head and there thoughts slit tho😂
0 likesFor a vegan guy he cooked ur ass pretty godly
0 likesJidon i love u but u was talking some traaaaaassshh on that interview damnnnn
0 likesThats not the same. If we only ate the meat necessary it would be different imo but we breed the animals only to have them live in cages, pumped with chemicals and to eat them. Its really cruel. Also as the meat industry grows they keep making more space for it and thats one of the main causes of climate change. If people only ate the meat needed naturally then it would be fine but its not that way. I dont think eating meat is bad but in this comment section it seems like everybody is really close minded and that nobody even understands why its wrong. I think its partially because we don’t want to admit to ourselves we’re doing harm so it’s easier to shift blame.
1 likeJidion the type to defend racism lowkey
0 likes1:50 we have the same wallpaper
0 likesIn the most effeminate voice ever
0 likes“Im gonna smash your camera on the ground”
“Slightly different DNA” bruh it’s a different number of chromosomes and their anatomy is entirely different… does this man even know what a belief is 🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️
1 likeI aint even know jidion was this smart🤣🤣. Son smart asf👨🏫
1 likeEveryone boost his ig
0 likesage restricted smh😑
0 likesHe said mooo mooo 💀 😂
2 likesW
0 likesNo matter the situation u push positive vi6es 🦾
0 likesFollowed confirmed
0 likesthis man is awsome
0 likesLike, just to be clear, animals don't get shot in the head....
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That's just waste of money to shot them
0 likesBull shit mate🤡😭😭😭😭
0 likesI think people are forgetting the cows we eat are bread just to die and be eaten their are sanctuaries and stuff that have protected animals but most shit we eat is specially breeded for eating
0 likes😂 vegans imagine
0 likesanimals don’t fear death because they aren’t smart enough but humans are so if there was a species that was just like humans but with different dna they would fear death and we wouldn’t kill them because it wouldn’t be ethical but as long as you put the animal out of its missouri quickly the animal won’t care like what’s it gonna do comeback from the dead and get all of its animal friends to come kill me and my family
0 likesHUH?!?!?!?!
0 likes8:30 no because their intelligence is equal to ours that’s why killing your dog is a crime but killing ants are not
0 likesI hope the vegan knows that people do NOT shoot animals in the head...
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Mark Wilson got a good chuckle out of me
0 likes"Smokin on that cow pack"
0 likesSo, vegan is a religion?
0 likesPut a vegan on naked and afraid watch em fold
1 likeIf vegans don’t eat meat there just leaving the meat and sandwiches to spoil
0 likesI like how I’m watching this eating chicken😹
0 likesW
0 likesWhat’s funny is no one shoot animals in the head when hunting for any reason
0 likesJidion that thing u got from the bibble about sacrafacing a lamb that's in the old testament. Ppl dont do that now . If they do they belive the old testament "sacrifices " have to be done now . The only sacrifice that's valid now that's been done already is Jesus Christ . He was the ultimate sacrifice for our sins .dosen't mean to keep to keep sinning wilfully. But repent and follow Jesus Christ
0 likesyou was cutting bro off so much 😭😭
0 likes8:35 I don’t know about y’all but I wouldn’t eat an ape
0 likesat the end of the day they just animals
0 likeslmao im muslim and that meat is sooo halal mode🥩😋
0 likesEating a hamburger whilst watching
0 likesGod put animals on the planet for us to eat
0 likes9:45
1 likeMans tweaking
0 likesI mean plants are living things so they killing the plants too right
0 likesWhen he hugged the grandma in Walmart 😖
0 likesI believe in the bible “ by Jidon
0 likes5:40 shoulda said “what do you mean by you people?”
0 likes8:46 buddy humans share dna with a lot of things all eukaryotic cells/ beings share similar dna humans and bananas have over 60% similar dna vegans are retarded
0 likes“Shot in the head” uhhh no
0 likesI fucking love Jidiom but his arguments were just not good
0 likesThere were some valid points but most subjective.
Btw I’m not vegan or vegetarian
i cant even watch the video cause it's age restricted
0 likes8:01 he said "Finland"? TORILLEEE!!!!!!!!
1 likeSlit their throats and shoot them? There’s a rod that pounds on their head and kills them immediately on contact. Maybe u slit their throats after to drain blood but it’s already dead. Meat will never go away. We are animals too, most animals eat other animals. If we aren’t the ones to eat them they will just get eaten alive by other animals. And eventually wild animals will be running in the cities attacking with all sorts of diseases. If u really think about it every person going vegan wud just not be good for every animal. Hunters are needed, farmers r needed, butchers r needed. U do u but in the end if everyone were to be vegan it just wudnt work.
0 likesIn the bible slavery was a means to pay off debt nothing else smh
0 likesGet right with the lord Jesus Christ before it’s too late repent and put ur faith in Christ. Jesus Christ died on the cross for our sins and risen on the third day he’s the only way to eternal life John 14:6 John 3:36 John 3:16 Romans 10:9
0 likesWhy would u slit there throat and then shoot them in the head? Arent they already dead after u one happens?
0 likesIDC i love me burger
0 likesIf it makes you feel better, I'm the person that kills animals for a living
0 likesHis only excuse is, “throat slit, shot in the head.” Let’s be real..
0 likesi see both side to the story... and yes i eat meat too but at the end of the day, killing a living animal is wrong
0 likesby the way the bible does not like slavery
0 likesIt’s the circle of life
0 likesidc this shit smacks 🍔🍗🥓🥩🍖
0 likesAbusing animals huh, so when a lion eats a gazelle it's abusing it,fak that white dude
0 likeshow you save the animals when they already dead 😭😭😭 WTF
0 likesso facts bro vegans are always going after people and forcing their beliefs on people "why aren't you vegan?" like bro let me eat my steak
0 likes7:45 Literal blasphemy.
1 likeThat podcast was so pointless lamo
0 likesLMaoo goated bruh.
0 likescan someone count how many times my dude said ” Shot in the head, get thier throat slit”
0 likesMans was about to get mad
0 likesPlants provide carbon dioxide to the world and so do trees so according to veganism we shouldn’t eat from those two things cuz it’s cruel to us humans to destroy plants and trees for our own selfish desires
0 likesHe honestly seemed like a really nice gu
0 likesComedy gold my friend
0 likesCow pack smacking 🤣🤣🤣
0 likesIf lil nax X had a baby with dababy and that baby had a baby with a Lizzo a summerray will be born on December
0 likesThe vegan is so dumb, we don’t think it’s ok to kill dogs because they connect with humans on an emotional levels, nobody gives AF about cows
0 likesThey aren’t shot in the head it’d be a pain to take the bullet out every time also it’s the circle of life animals eat other animals we eat to survive but some people just eat to eat lol 😂
0 likes1:38 😭
0 likesI kinda agree with the dude even tho i dont give a single fuck about animals
1 likeW
0 likes“Paid money for an animal to be shot in the head and have their throats slit.” You mean ethically put to sleep.
0 likesFinland dude wanted to keep going lol
0 likes1:51 im just glad im not the only one who always gets that gay test ad 😂
0 likesThis guy ain’t surviving the apocalypse
0 likeskilling other animals is what happens when your at the top of the food chain
0 likesBro tell this guy, to go fucking argue with a lion, or any other animal. We all gotta eat an meat is perfect.
0 likesBros a menace😂
0 likesIm new here. Who’s tyrone?
0 likesWait a minute, my fam doesn’t slit throats or shoot the heads of animals
0 likesThink about it more people become vegan more meat for us and cheaper let’s go vegans😈
0 likesthey dont have their throat slit bruh its just a quick POP and they dead bruh lmao, and that shit taste gud, so uh yeah, plus cows are ugly bruh
0 likesjidion clapped that bozo
0 likesif he cares about animals then he should protest the animals killing each-other for food.
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its a kill or be killed world out here, we at the top of the food chain boyyy
0 likesanimals aren’t meant to freely spring around joyfully till they die of old age, farm animals are not pets lol, and what about wild animals who hunt and kill to survive ? I think veganism is just fake and another way to push people to becoming soft individuals, if it were such a problem we would have people in China or wherever they serve dog and cat and save em all but that’s not the case is it? There are animals being abused and tortured but farm animals being killed for food is a big problem okay 👍
0 likesin my opinion the vegan guy only used the same points about slit throats and guns to head, like cmon
0 likesThis dude is worried about animals who were put on this earth for us to eat them, yet fine with millions of babies being murdered at plan parenthood...😭
0 likesHe’s big mad 😳
0 likesJidion Is A W Christian
0 likesI love you Demarcus
0 likesThe guy in the beginning really said he’d smash your camera, You could of snapped that little vegan in half , I don’t understand why it’s always small guys like that , that think they can fight 😂😂😂
0 likesthis nigga so underrated and it hurts me
0 likesw
0 likesVeganism has a good respectful purpose but it’s an extremely unhealthy and almost deadly diet
0 likesSlit counter next time u talk to him
0 likesBruh they just fry their brain and they live happy because the meat is better when the cow is happy so they have a great life but a short one it’s like partying for us and die of liver cancer at 30y/o so it’s the same shit
0 likesJidion so stupid😂 he was being bodied in that debate
1 likeWhen will people learn that animals are made for us to eat cause if a world ending event happen humans are the only species that have a chance to survive
0 likesThe vegan was actually a good sport tbh.
0 likesJidion is the wrong person to be having this debate with.
I'm always gonna eat meat
1 likeJidion lowkey smart 👀
0 likesi spaced out during the video and was having fun again on a moose hunt fuck that was fun ......meat is food plants are food eat both waist less
0 likesWe aren’t paying for them to get killed they get killed and we make sure they don’t go to waste
0 likesit's never gonna change
0 likes“Shot and throat slit” is his main key points! and it’s annoying af that’s not worst then being brutally attacked and eaten by other predator animals
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That’s what I’m saying if you care about animals so much stop animal on animal violence
1 likeDoes this man not realize that killing animals is automated and they just straight up electrocute them like how is this man gonna call himself a vegan and against killing animals and not even know the process of how there killed
0 likesI ate a steak while watching this
0 likesalmost at 2 million
0 likesI swear everybody getting that "am I gay" add on YouTube lmao
0 likesI like his pranks but vegan ppl are religious ab their food. They care so much ab veganism n the animals on an emotional level for some reason lol. I’ll never understand but I’ll respect that they get sensitive ab it bc they are passionate ab it
0 likesThink about it like this, we are just animals like them, we have lived as predators for ages as well as omnivores, heck, we even kill other humans all the time for our own gain just like animals, being a vegan is pointless, it’s just nature to eat other animals, like what are they gonna do, try to convince tigers to go vegan? Huh? Before we think about other animals, we gotta start thinking about ourselves, because even in our society it’s practically the same as the food chain, the powerful (rich) prosper of of them weak’s (poor’s) suffering. That’s all there is to it
0 likesF animals
0 likesU coulda ended the whole argument by saying its primal instict to eat animals for our health ur not gonna go in the savanna and tell lions to stop eating meat like thats how they survive
0 likeshe is right in religion we sacrifice for a reason thoo
0 likesthat vegan psy got him delayed
0 likesThat moooooooo killed me man 💀
0 likesHe should play assassin’s creed 3
0 likesI was eating a chicken sandwich while I watched this
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Was it good though?
0 likesFruits and vegetables have feelings too vegans are racist
0 likesI’m fully 110% on Jidion’s side in that discussion
0 likesGot you, ur ig bouta be lit🔥
0 likesThis vegan dude is such a loser😂😂😂😂
0 likesBeing vegan and where u dont give to shits about other people eating food makes u a cool ass person. "Veganism" is just stupid af
0 likesbruh we just apex predators we eat meat that simple
0 likesJidion maybe you should stick to funny jokes, the debate was lame
0 likesRomans 10 : 9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be savedJohn 3:16
0 likesFor God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life
In a couple weeks hunting season starts!!!! Let’s gooooooooo
0 likesNigga needa get on dr. Phil wtf😂
0 likesJUSTIFIED SLAVERY?SLAVES HAD TO PAY DEBT, NEVER MEANT FOR GENERATIONS LIKE THE US
0 likesVegans are Nazi's. To be a true vegan you can't use soap, technology, this and that because not only animals are used for meat they have so many other uses
0 likesWhy David act like people kill those animals for pleasure? Like they went to the farm, shot them in the head, slit their throat and let them lay there. ITS FOOD!
0 likesAt least in America there exist no human like animal (any Prime ape) that can be killed for a meal it’s illegal .So for him to keep driving that point is stupid us killing animals and giving them quick deaths is waaaaayyy better than a fucking croc grabbing a live baby elk, dragging it into the water by the neck, and spinnning until it runs out of oxygen and it’s neck breaks. It’s also better than a female lions watching as her baby cub is mauled by a pack of hyenas and better than as honey badger going into a burrow and killing to like baby cubs as the mother watches in horror. Vegan always preach shit but, never see the other side of things.
0 likesEating meat while watching this
0 likesFunniest shit on YouTube
0 likesI remember when this dude was at 30 k
0 likesMan I just had a humbugger and it was bussing
0 likesjust casually hugs a grandma
0 likesHow would cows survive in the wild by them selves
0 likesDemarcus cousins is smart
0 likesfire vid you got him good lol
0 likesGod created the animals for food, you need protein
0 likesGod said all animals are eatable what this man talking about
1 likeThis man has the straightest face when making these bro 💀😭
1 likeTbh u were speaking faxx
1 likewhy he randomly just hug that lady😭😭😭 n added it to the video. this man is on a different level
0 likesBro I’m eating a fresh chicken rn
0 likesVegan dude seems like a wierdo ngl
0 likesHonestly ji dion this is sick, but this is the thing I hate about animal activists. They always bring BLM or Feminism or any race into random ass topics. Istg they bring in anything topical
0 likesHe really mad about meat 🥩 😂😂😂💀bruhhh he so vegan
0 likesHe has points but imo it’s the way of life food chain. Etc. It’s natural..
0 likesMans a menace
0 likesThat’s just a natural thing other animals eat meat like lions or tigers and a lot more. They hunts and kill to eat animals. Just like how we did back then as cave mans or how native Americans use to hunt for animals. But the present day is humans are just more advance than animals that’s why we have slaughter houses so what I am trying to say is eating meat is a natural thing.
0 likesVegans gonna fight fucking time itself to stop it from killing animals
0 likesDid i hear finland TORILLLE
1 likeGuess what nigga imma still eat meat
0 likesThe other guy had a point tho
0 likesGoing from lil nas to da baby a compliment idc
0 likesMy dad is cooking deer rn lamo 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
0 likeswtf is a feminist restaurant do they just complain about men together lmao
0 likesSo plants don't have lives too or is it just easier to kill them and forget about them. much less plants actually has a good effect on the earth as well neither of them is wrong. But all the animals being slain is massed reproduced so I dont see what's the problem compared to plant life everyday our c02 is getting worst in the earth.
1 likethey barley feel the pain when they slit their necks
0 likesTell him animals got feed on plants and your eating the plants so the result is that animals gonna die so you are killing animals too😂
0 likesI'm pretty sure a shot to the head is instant death and I don't think anyone slits the throats I think probably chopping the head off but that is also instant I would think too I don't know about about this stuff but I don't think they torture the animals to get the meat like he's presenting
0 likeshe said “slit in the throat” too many times
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They like appeal to emotion fallacies
0 likesLMFAO
0 likesDude looks mad uncomfortable the whole time lmao
0 likesConcept vegans miss, animals are simply not conscious like humans are. Theyre brains are less developed and so is there experiential existence if they even have one.
0 likesI’d rather just cut back on meat or go vegan
0 likeseating meat is called THE FOOD CHAIN. the law of nature in wich we are on top (on this earth at least ;) )
0 likesPtsd from killing animals 🤣🤣🤣💀💀💀💀💀 this guy
0 likesIm literally eating chicken watching this
0 likesImagine if the live ended saying "cya, ima go to a vegan restaurant"
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0 likesW
0 likesThis was good
0 likesSo all farmers get ptsd from getting their food?
0 likesIf i got money every time he said slit in the throat and shot in the head i would be rich
1 likeJust say why does animals eat other animals lol
0 likespeople for thousands of years ate animals. vegan has a shit load of soy that isnt healthy. eat meat once in a while
0 likesNo the vegans argument is stupid
0 likesThe animal flesh eater didn't really see the point. Animals have just as much a right to live as you... i would have thrown you out of that restaurant myself. Alot of people pay good money to have a kosher/Vegan environment.
0 likesIt's like making a prank video about dead slaves. It's distasteful. And only the fucked up ones find it funny.
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On one hand I do sympathize with vegans on the way that the animals are treated but that wouldn't bring the meat back to life him not buying just means that it stays on the shelf and let's say that we do release the cows then become vulnerable to predation which causes an influx predators due to so many cows being released but on the other hand if no predators do come about then the cow population spurs outa controls and hurts the environment and ecosystem around it
0 likesVegan guy invalided, no mater what that animal was already dead…
0 likeshold up wen did professor jidion join the zoom call
0 likeshuman-like but not human... like a monkey no ppl dont eat monkeys, we eat cows and chickens... like u said vegans r crazy lol
0 likesBig brain acceptance
0 likesHere's the thing though, why do we have to care about the lives of livestock that's to be slaughtered anyway? We're not the ones feeling their pain when we slit their throats, and we don't have to feel it or imagine it, we don't have to save them, we're us. We're at the top of the food chain so why should we care about what our food or other animal feels. I get saving the endangered ones and wild animals, they're beautiful and an essential part of the ecosystem and climate, and so the world. But livestock animals are literally bred (for thousands of years) for our consumption.
0 likesVegans or veganism is just a cult full of people who think they're better than everyone else, so much so that they don't account the economic, cultural, and nutritional threads that are woven into the compliacted fabric of the livestock industry and history of meat consumption
why was he so fixated on the animals being either shot or having their neck slit like wanna do it or something
0 likesvegan people aint even helping cows and pigs they will still die one way or another
0 likesW
0 likesyou funny asl but vegan bro right sorry og :/
1 likeVegans act like animals don't kill each other everyday
0 likesgoat
0 likes1:51 JiDion Gay Test lmao
0 likesWe love religious jidion
0 likesThis guy said the Bible justify slavery LMAOO
0 likesW
0 likesI love meat
0 likesYou should have asked this guy about his perspective on abortions
0 likesI almost clicked off when he said he not gonna cook meat in front of the vegan bc it’s mean
0 likesKNEW IT 7:33
1 like6:46 knew this was gonna come up
1 like1:51 LOL RELATABLE
1 likeJust ate some wings 🍗💪🔥
0 likesVegans don’t understand animals were made by god to be eaten by humans
0 likesno cap david ramms is annoying as shit
0 likesAntivegan bro
0 likesdudes points were better also your not christian 😭💀
0 likesThe Bible is a book yet to be changed, lol. And the Bible doesn’t justify slavery, it talks about slavery being accepted but never once says it’s ok, God doesn’t say it is good, reading Bible verses out of context gets the view point of “slavery is ok.”
0 likesWatches this as I’m eating pork
0 likesVegan people make no sense if we didn’t kill animals they probably would overpopulate and eat up all the grass and trees
0 likesEveryone needs free will in the bible, not even God can take that from people so slavery is not supported
0 likesLmao 9:45
1 likeIf you still believe in the Bible that your enslavers imposed onto you you really need to take a look at who you are and understand how that is used to control you.
0 likesReligion is such a joke lmao
0 likesIf you pressed thumbs down. You're Charmin ultra soft
0 likesBruh just hugged a grandma and no one noticed lol
0 likesIon like that vegan dude he j wierd in my opinion not cus the vegan part my mom is I j think he’s wierd asf like he a bum😂
0 likesThat dababy clip is sad 😔
0 likesFuck might turn vegan
0 likesPlants are ALIVE TOO!!
0 likesI think the bottom line is you think humans are more important than any other creature and we justify it for taste. I think we can all agree that’s wrong even tho we agree to disagree
0 likesI agree with him we need to stop shooting animals, it ruins the meat
6 likesAnswer is very simple... FREE THE NIPPLE
0 likesThis how men handle differences
0 likesCool vegan to be honest, usually they annoying and won’t shut up but this dude was actually kinda cool about it
0 likesBACON SO GOOD THOOOOOOOO
1 likeI love meat
0 likesThat vegan dude has a good point but when a animal eats your brains out you ain’t gon be vegan no more you’ll be dead
0 likesFunny how most of these animals could care less about us💀💀💀
0 likesdis funny asl but fr do bruh i love animals like my guy david do i wish they stopped killin them
1 likeok he’s not wrong, kinda messed up. BUT WHO CARES BROOOOOOO, ABSOLUTELY BANGER
0 likesOk
0 likesDID THIS MAN SAY THE BIBLE SUPPORTS SLAVERY??? WHERE?😂😂
0 likesDon't vegans eat the animals food
0 likesW
0 likesDamn I’m hungry for a burger
0 likesWatching dis while eating a burger
0 likesTurn to God🙏✝️
0 likesWhat is the picture in your window
0 likesGet the bacon 😭😂😂😂
0 likesGet the bacon 😭😂😂😂
0 likesDababy won that debate
0 likesI’m on a plant based diet I kill animals
0 likes5:28 they are proper animal people...
0 likesI love vegans a bit it’s almost like tv on how fake them seem
0 likesI mean vegans are
0 likesthe debate is at the end of the day its not about belief or relative truth but an objective one. His idea about an animal having slightly different DNA works, monkey only have 3% difference in dna and are less intelligent than us but scientifics consider some aniumals to have up to 15 years old childs intelligence. So by killing them you are killing beings that are much closer to you than you think.
1 likeShould’ve asked him why it’s okay for animals to kills animals
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watch the full interview he did
0 likesaint gonna lie ur arguments were pretty shitty xd, i thought u were just gonna let him know why it was only comedy instead u compared veganism with bible killing goats.. Im not vegan but u looked pretty bad on that debate, he argues something and u say anyone has the right to believe whatever, okey then i believe in slevery u see how that makes no sense..
0 likesLast time I checked I don’t think he paid to kill the cow
0 likesWhy is this age restricted??
0 likesput up the best argument i swear
0 likesbanger
0 likesThey arent shot in the head lol, thats a waste of ammunition and money.
0 likesNah bro ur dababy
0 likesIf we’re not eating the animals some other animal would do it for us
0 likesThis vegan has to be stupid, shooting animals in the head is actually the most humane way to end their life. Its quick and efficient, no pain
0 likesI would have had the interview in a butcher shop
0 likes1:37 lmao random old lady hug
0 likesI can’t bro😂😂
0 likesBro they don’t shoot animals in the head 😂 omg I can’t Rn
0 likesbro hes saying rather u wanna eat it or not is a belief not the fact that they are killed😂 what a braindead ginger
0 likesJiDion really the yt version of da baby
0 likesThis the 50 of yt
0 likesno because jidion is smart
0 likesThe Bible doesn’t promote slavery. People who were slaves were people who couldn’t pay off a debt in money so they worked the debt off.
0 likesIt’s NOT PERSONAL. Just think about the animals in the slaughterhouse yo. Why tf is it so damn hard to understand that. He still think you corny tho.
0 likesBruh you cannot be serious........... BOT
0 likesDude acting like he personally executed the cow, he just went to the store and bought it😭😭😭😭😭
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Which means he’s funding the places to slaughter cows… same thing…
2 likes@Lanthums nothing wrong with that
1 like@Daniel Unless you’re a psychopath, there is a problem with slicing the throat of an innocent animal who did nothing to you for the mere sensory pleasure of taste
1 like@Lanthums plants are alive and your killing them and eating them oh no 🙊
1 like@Daniel Plants don’t have a nervous system therefore can’t feel pain like sentient animals. Also, when you pick an apple of the tree, you’re not killing the plant. Absolute moron 🤣🤣🤣🤣
1 like@Lanthums I thought the whole thing was it being alive in general? If it’s just because of pain, then we can just use anesthesia and then kill them🤷🏾♂️
0 likes@SouthwestKPHL Air You’re stupid for thinking that and idk who the hell told you that. The reason we want you to stop murdering animals is because they have their own individual subjective reality. They have a consciousness. They feel emotions, pain, just like you. We don’t treat other animals like this, so why treat any like that you weirdo? It’s already been proven multiple times that it is not necessary for us to be healthy. And are you dyslexic? I stated that we don’t kill the plant when we pick from it, why tf would we needlessly kill plants anyway?
1 like@SouthwestKPHL Air That’s like saying, “Hey, it’s okay to shoot someone in the head because they won’t feel it anyway.” Doesn’t make it okay to take their whole reality away just because they didn’t feel it
0 likesYou know he wanted some
0 likesLove live the JiDion 💯 straight bangers everybody make sure to follow him on ig
0 likesWhy it always be the white ppl that always got sm to say like dam Niqqa🤦♂️
0 likesWait JiDion is actually kind of smart
0 likes📥👍
0 likestbh humans dont just kill animals, they kill themselves as well so it goes the same way
0 likesplus an overpopulation of animals is bad, not to mention cow methane is bad for the air and the air is bad already so some of them gotta go.
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humans kill other humans but we dont say its ok or promote it
0 likesIf we stopped eating cows we would stop breeding them into existence and their methane gas wouldnt be a problem
1:51 Lmao he has a "am I gay?" ad
0 likesAyoo 😳1:51 look at his phone
0 likes1:36 Bro wtff 💀💀
0 likesThat was clean ng hold you😂
0 likesI’m sorry I can’t go vegan I need sum to eat at night☠️🐷🐔
1 likeU know the vegan dude rehearsed that for hours
0 likesFacts
0 likesI can’t do it 🤣 when he hopped on the I had to stop 🤣😂🤣
0 likesYoooooooaoapaoao you made me get suspended from school I was watching you in school and they sue spend me bro
0 likesBro we luv you fam
0 likesWwwwwww , again .
0 likesLMAOAOAOA
1 likeIt must be funny but that vegan teacher will f*ck you up
0 likesHow is this dude not 20 M subs
0 likesI mean I get what the man was trying to say and what jiDion was trying to say. The thing that’s really messed up in this world today is that there isn’t really respect for no one I’m doing religion race etc. the world gotta now of you don’t believe in something someone else believes in do be disrespectful and don’t come over and asking for respect if you don’t do the same. Not only that don’t push your beliefs on someone who clearly don’t want to believe what you believe. Just be kind be you it’s not that hard.We need to learn how to respect one another
0 likesJidion really getting smart this video
0 likesI got 100% horse meat :D
0 likesi only have a soft spot for household pets like dogs especially and cats n shit, i’m eating a burger rn while i’m watching this video
0 likesMooooooooo
0 likestbh vegans are like flat earthers to me idek why i just cant take them seriously lol
0 likesJesus is Lord
0 likesWe have all sinned and fallen short of Gods glory and the only one who can save us from it is Jesus Christ who died on the cross for our sins and rose again and all we have to do is believe so repent of your sins and believe in the gospel today so you can be saved don’t get it twisted it is by what Jesus has done and not your works love you.
0 likesThis dude is a menace😂
0 likesdemarcus, you’ll probably never read this but for the argument u used about the Bible saying they sacrificed animals, was not very good. We do not sacrifice anymore because we don’t need to. In the sold test,ent they sacrificed animals to show what was to come. but since Jesus already dies for us we don’t need to sacrifice anymore. However, there is a different reason we can still eat animals. God put humans on the earth to rule over what he created such as animals. We can eat animals because they’ve been out on earth for humans. so next time try to share a valid reason but nice vid
0 likesAnimals definitely do not get shot and slit in the throat and not everyone cna survive in a vagan diet they are very ignorant
0 likesDo we slit gorillas throats?
0 likesWhat I do is i go to vegan channels comment section and say I will never go vegan they get so mad
1 likeDo vegan beat there meat tho
1 liketf is a feminist resturant??
0 likesHate to break it it this man, but I live in a farm and I have it eat because a big boy hungry you know what I mean
0 likesthey beefin (dad joke mb)
0 likesJidion didn't pay for an animal to be killed. He pays for an animal that was kileld
0 likesDude really said the Bible promotes slavery, has this nigga ever picked up a Bible?
0 likesYou can’t stop nature. What is natural isn’t wrong. The food chain exist as a part of nature. A lot of vegans are just so afraid of the fact that animals get killed. Humans aren’t the only ones doing it. Omnivores and carnivores in the wild they slaughter their prey alive. It’s just natural order and nature isn’t always pretty, all those hurricanes that kill thousands and earthquakes have shown that. You can’t run from it forever, you can’t try to hide and try to get everyone to live in your butterfly lion kind world where nothing succumbs to nature’s judgement. It’s a fact the human are omnivores, that doesn’t just mean we’re capable of eating both plants and animals, our bodies are designed to survive optimally off a diet consisting of both. If we weren’t meant to consume animals our bodies wouldn’t be equipped to do so. We would probably die if we tried.
0 likesI know it’s sounds like a terrible sounding thing, it certainly doesn’t help when you constantly paint yourself the picture of animals dying. But some animals belong to the food chain as animals to be consumed, In those lower trophic levels. It’s not wrong, it can be sad, maybe unfortunate depending on how you look at it, and yea nowadays it can be avoided a lot more than before, but it’s not immoral, it’s not inhumane it’s nature.
Other sorts of animal mistreatments yes, very much so, are wrong, should be discouraged, they way they are raising some of them is cruel. But the mere act of consuming another animal isn’t wrong.
1:50 why we all getting am I gay quizzes in our recommended 😭
0 likesThis man is talking about things with similar DNA to humans and how that’s unjustly for us to eat but he probably eats bananas on the daily.
2 likesThe animals are not shot in the head 🙄
0 likesHow i see it and you shouldve brought this up is hes complaining about how people slaughter and kill animals but animals that hunt other animals do the same thing probably worse idk i feel like vegans are being 2 extreme about that. animals like a wolf wouldnt care if the pig suffers or not its going to eat a pig insides while its alive and they will feel all the scratching and tearing its just how it is they just missing out on good food tbh
0 likesDavid “animals get shot in the head and have their throats slit” Ramm
0 likesNah he tweaking
0 likes1:51 that fucking “Am I Gay?” Ad on YouTube fucking INFURIATES ME EVERY TIME I SEE IT
0 likesBoohoo swear I’m ready smash a burger today just to piss them leaf eating crybaby’s off
0 likesDon’t bring up slavery and not realize most of your essential were made exploiting third world countries. Veganism is unsustainable for most people even so called vegans have failed ,but won’t admit it , that’s on them.
0 likes1:37 casually hugs an old lady lol
2 likesThis guy said that it’s bro a believe but he believes that wrong and u don’t
0 likesBro i don't care where it comes from if it tastes good I'm eating it
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Would you eat a dog, cat or human?
0 likesI’ll eat what I want to eat
1 like@Jake Okay. Would you ever "want" to eat a dog, cat or human? Let's say it's already been cooked and is being served to you at a restaurant.
0 likesJidion spitting straight facts
1 likeWwwwwwwwwweweeeeee
0 likesThat dude made up the most ridiculous hypothetical I’ve ever heard in my life, with his logic I could say “if there were plants and vegetables just like our vegetables that were basically human but with slightly different dna would u eat that?" It just sounds ridiculous
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The vegan would say, no. He wouldn't eat them.
0 likesHe said it was a prank and he still eating the burger 😂😂😂 I love jidion
2 likesThis man is the best youtuber on YouTube I swear bro 😤 😭
1 likeDude this was so funny😂😂🤣🤣😭
1 likeIs it fucked i was eating bacon while watching this
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Nah you should continue eating that. Hell, get some more
0 likesIve never heard of a feminist restaurant. They serve p*ssy?
0 likesme eating my mcnugets
0 likesIf every single person on earth had to kill their own animals if they wanted to eat meat, 95% would be vegan
0 likesfirst of all who says we christians need to sacrifice a lamb when passover...back then yes make sense now ofc dont need to lol
0 likes4:52 🤣🤣🤣🤣
0 likesAnyone using the timed Beta feature rn
1 likeHe hugged the lady good guy
1 likeThey sacrificed lambs before Jesus died on the cross we don’t have to do that anymore, however, the Bible says we are to use the animals for harvesting and there is nothing wrong with it which is why this agnostic dude has a problem
0 likesThe vegan dude seems like he could be a good dude but like he’s so much into his belief that it turns him into a selfish asshole
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How is he selfish? He gave up animal products that he liked to taste of to stop abusing animals. Isn't that selfLESS?
0 likesYou believe it’s wrong to kill animals.
0 likes“That’s not a belief” lmfao this video fire bro
Me eating my mcchicken while watching this
0 likes3:02 LMFAOOO
0 likesYOUR FUNNY ASF 😂😂😂😂
0 likesThat’s a fire wall paper on his pc what’s it called
0 likesIt’s natural to eat meat lol animals do it too
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Rape happens a lot in nature too, but would you be okay with using wild animals as a justification for that?
0 likesalso if you dont want to kill the animal then don't, there are people that do that lol, and whether u eat it or not, you're not the one killing, there's still gonna be people killing animals there's nothing u can do about it lol
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When someone goes vegan, they stop paying for someone to kill on their behalf. If you're continuously paying for meat, you're responsible for the animal deaths.
1 like@Heekamalo Kilo whether you buy meat or not, people will still kill animals, its not something you can stop, no matter what
0 likes@Grayz It's something I can stop contributing to. The world will go vegan eventually when we lab-grown mean cultured from animal cells. Once that becomes as healthy, tasty and affordable as animal meat, most people will make the switch. Because most people care about animals.
0 likes@Heekamalo Kilo you can care aboout animals and still eat meat lol. i don't understand why everyone has to make it such a big deal. like animals were literally made so we can eat them XD
0 likesnot saying you have to but I'm saying you shouldn't get mad at someone bc they're eating it. u do u
@Grayz How can you care about animals if you're paying for them to be killed unnecessarily?
0 likesbruh the animals arent shot in the head and slit by the throat lmao
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How are they killed?
0 likesYOO LOOK HOW MANY LIKES THERE ARE
0 likesthe vegan talks like someone gave the fuck to the cattle
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Cows do get raped on dairy farms.
0 likesThe HOG menace to society of menaces that are in the HOF menace to society that are the HOF to all the menaces in the world
0 likesThe menace of all the menaces who are in the HOF menace to society hof badges
0 likesHOF menace to the menaces of the menaces to society
0 likesHof menacing menace to the menace of societies
0 likesHof menace to society badge
0 likesHof menace
0 likesUltra menace to society badge
0 likesDababy upgrade of lil nas x
0 likesYo I got the same goku wallpaper on my laptop
0 likesEven if it's a prank, you have to see that it's kind of rude.
2 likespov: ur here at 69k likes
0 likesDavid wasn't wrong to feel offended as well, but he should've known what was coming
0 likesBut who really is to say that killing animal is wrong because let’s say we were all agnostic then who gets to decide what’s right or wrong, there is no standard then it becomes just your opinion.
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Yeah, just like "killing humans is wrong" is also just an opinion.
0 likes@Heekamalo Kilo I’m not saying it’s right, I’m saying if God wasn’t there it would be just an opinion because we are all equal and no one would listen if the order wasn’t divine
0 likes@raph mwanza I agree that it would be an opinion, but I disagree that "no one would listen". Atheists also have a sense of morality you know; they just don't get it from God. Also, I'm trying to understand why posted your original comment. Are you implying that a non-religious person can't go around talking about morality?
0 likes@Heekamalo Kilo no what I’m saying that for something to be considered right or wrong a higher authority has to decide that, it’s like quadruplets having an argument about age
0 likes@raph mwanza "For something to be considered right or wrong a higher authority has to decide that". I disagree. We all have our own sense of morality. Eating animals seems to be justified in religion, and is also legal by law but vegans clearly have a different point of view. The cruelties happening to animals are real; it's just a case of whether you care enough or not. JDion here is using his religion to justify the cruelty but religious vegans do exist. They realise that they have their own moral agency and can choose to not contribute to suffering. You are allowed to disagree with someone's morals even without believing in a god.
0 likesBro I’ll pop a cow or a pig and won’t care
0 likesActing like overpopulation of animals doesn’t exist.
0 likesIf we just allowed animals to roam free and didn’t execute slaughtering, we’d be overrun. I think that using them for their resources, such as food for example, is far more respectful than it would be if we just killed them and tossed them aside.
Although, we then get into the topic of discussion based around the perspective of,
“Is it justified to kill living creatures just for our well being?”
At that point, it’s all about subjective moral belief or disbelief.
That argument could be applied to say, Cows.
Cows eat grass, walk on grass, etc.
Grass is a living organism, and within that grass live millions of microscopic organisms that are live. You could say, “But those things do not matter because of how small and insignificant they are.”
Well, what significance do cows have? Sure, they may “feel” but they do not have the consciousness level or cognitive application that we do; therefore, they don’t even understand the difference between being alive in a reserve, or being killed in a slaughterhouse. They are indifferent to it.
At the end of the day though, do any of us truly matter in the universe, as simple atoms? It’s all about what you believe, my friends.
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You're acting like farm animals would overpopulate the Earth if we didn't kill them. They only exist because we breed them. If we stopped breeding them then, no, they would not overpopulate the Earth.
1 like@Heekamalo Kilo And how would we stop breeding them? By enclosing them. If they truly believed in the freedom of animals, they wouldn’t be in an enclosure of any type; therefore, it would directly correlate to animals breeding more.
0 likesJust as every other mammal, their natural instinct is to have sex. So yes, over an extended period of time in freedom, the population would increase extensively.
@Joe Mama Nope. If the world does go vegan, it'll happen at a gradual pace so the demand for animal products will slowly and steadily decrease. There won't be that many animals to look after and they can live out the rest of their lives in peace at a sanctuary. A good sanctuary has a lot of space for an animal to roam. If humans are worried about population increase at a particular sanctuary, they can employ neutering methods.
1 like@Heekamalo Kilo Not that many animals to look after and take care of..? The total population of farm animals, is quite large.
0 likesSo, if the need for those animals decrease, what will we do with the lasting ones? If they are not killed, in short, there will be far too many anyway.
And also, wouldn’t neutering methods be damaging the animal in its natural form? Shouldn’t that be sacrilege if you’re so against harming animals? That’s taking away from the animal, no matter if it does them harm or not. Don’t act like you care for them if you’d strip them of parts of their body.
@Joe Mama Why would there be fat too many? The world isn't going vegan overnight. The reason for neutering would be to prevent future suffering because, you said so yourself, overpopulation. Neutering helps combat that. I think a factory farm does worse things to an animal than a vegan sanctuary ever could.
1 likein the end , animals kill animals to survive so us killing animals to survive isn’t wrong in a way
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We're not doing it to "survive" though. We have other food options. Animals in the wild don't. Carnivores aren't even adapted to eat plants, but we are.
1 likeYour arguing is shit, you did the prank for views and that’s it. You mean no harm to yourself but without the intentions of others and how they will feel.
1 likeThe best
0 likesBro we need you to go see Tyrone and make another dish track on em😆
0 likesThat boy Jidion has that PhD in philosophy and psychology
1 likeHe was wrong about the sacrifice thing we don't have to do that no more but god did create animals for us to eat... lol
1 likeWe live in a Society where people care more about animals being killed then other people
0 likesHe’s got a point tho
2 likesIf this man died my humor will die
0 likesbruh the goku ultra instinct wallpaper is a banger in itself
0 likesDude probably against military but that morality cancels due to connivence. He on the internet and probably used gps to find the restaurant at some point. Keep it 💯
0 likesI hope this gets top comment but you guys should pull off a Logan paul and Ksi and fight
0 likesanimals were literally made for us to eat them
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Giraffes were made for us to eat?
0 likeshe was going death note on his ass
0 likesDeez
0 likesI swear people that are vegans are gay asf I shoot any wild animal that show up in my yard lmao
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Huh? The vegan in the video is straight.
0 likesGod : made food chain
0 likesVegans : ahahahahhaah
my respect for jidion⤴️⤴️⤴️⤴️⤴️ because your christian
0 likesIm watching this video eating chicken nuggets
0 likes"This smacking mooooooooooooo!!!" Gave this vid 1m
0 likesi aint no jidion a christian he da goat youtuber bro also i aint never seen him so serious
0 likesI get both sides but me personally I love steaks is it wrong yes, would I harm a animal no. Am I gonna eat a big juicy steak that was slaughtered for me to enjoy yes. If not that juicy cow was slaughtered for nothing.
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The only reason the cow was slaughtered in the first place was because consumers paid for it to happen. It's a supply + demand loop. It's not a one-way thing where you're not responsible for the animal deaths, so you are harming an animal.
2 likes@Heekamalo Kilo yeah but I’m not naïve I alone can’t change the system, so until the system is changed I won’t let them die for nothing. I’ll continue to eat and be thankful what they died for.
1 like@Greg V "I won't let them die for nothing" Is that your outlook on food? You think you have some moral responsibility to consume animals? Do you consume all animal meats, then? If you decide to not consume a particular type then it'll go to waste, right?
1 likeVegans are also atheists. God put animals here for a reason
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Religious vegans exist. :)
0 likesAnimals kill other animals way more brutality and gives them a way more painful death. So I'm not against us killing animals, but killing too many animals can disturb the natural balance.
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We kill BILLIONS of land animals every year for food and TRILLIONS of fish. How many deaths is too many?
0 likesNo lie
0 likesTyrone
Wel hes wrong because i. The islam we kill the animal with peace and no pain and no torrture
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Vegans are against killing animals, even if it's done with "no pain".
0 likesYooo thst ultra instinct omen goku wallpaper is fire bro
0 likes8:08 Wait, he really thinks some dude comes to slaughter house with they nine and blast the cow’s brain out?
0 likes“Yo get the bacon” 😂😂
1 likeDababy at the end 😂😂😂
0 likesIn the wild ,something or a predator is going to eat or harm that animal , so why not interfere and care for it feed it and consume it yourself,
0 likesSame goes for fruits and vegetables
Either let animals eat it or you take care of it and consume it.
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The domestic animals that we eat aren't "rescued" from the wild. They were bred specifically for human consumption and most of them will either be eaten by humans or killed when they're no longer of "use". Vegans support the third option which is to rescue them from early death and take care of them in sanctuaries.
0 likesi butcher my pigs
1 likemeat is the best
1 likeGood and evil are total opposites but one and the same....vegans kill plants...plants are alive. I'm meatgan...I'm against plants being killed . Your killing defenseless life.
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You value plants more than animals?
0 likesA word for vegans...If you only eat plants then aren't you killing the plants ? Aren't you cutting them in half for your need? Plants are also living species! Vegens are as cruel as Non-vegan, but they have different point of view!
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Plants don't have a central nervous system or a conscience. Vegans would rather eat them over animals.
0 likesI also eat meat for the nutrients. Vegans can claim all they want that they can give you a just as high protein diet but meat will always be more efficient at delivering protein
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Veganism isn't about the protein, though. It's about animal liberation.
0 likes@Heekamalo Kilo yes I'm just saying that is atypical reply they give to the nutrition point
0 likes@hotel moscow And I just gave you a typical vegan response to your point. As you said, meat is "more" efficient at delivering protein, but plants still deliver it. Beans and lentils are actually very good sources of protein, so even if you're not getting it to the same "efficiency", you're still enough and properly. Bodybuilding can also be done on a vegan diet. I said veganism isn't about protein. It's about animal liberation, so vegans hope that the sense of empathy for the animals should overpower the desire to get your protein from meat.
0 likesAnimals not even conscious😂
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Well, we can't be for sure.
0 likesI don't think you've ever observed a mammal.
0 likesGood shit my guy
0 likesThis turned from FouseyTube to JUBILEE real quick
0 likesGoat
0 likesBro seeing u blow up is amazing. Good shi my boy
0 likesShould have told him, I'm against you murdering plants for your diet. Technically fruits and veggies are alive too until you pick them so what's the difference
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The difference is that plants aren't conscious. Animals are. Animals feel pain.
1 likeIf we didn’t eat meat it would cause so many more problems due to overpopulation. The food chain here for a reason
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That won't happen. Domesticated farm animals only exist in large numbers due to the demand for meat. If there wasn't a demand for the product, the animals wouldn't be bred. No overpopulation.
0 likesI’d go to a feminist restaurant and whip my dong out for the boys
0 likesVegans believe they are superior to nature as opposed to being part of it.
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Humans decided that they were "superior to nature" when they started living in artificial environments and created a legal code that everyone has to follow. The human food production system is already so far removed from what you'd find in nature. Most people who consume animals will never even know what that animal looked like. Not very "natural".
1 likeA lion won't think twice before eating a human's ass or any other animal for that matter, why does it matter if we kill another animal that has no soul or consciousness?
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The point is that they DO have consciousness. Cows, pigs, chickens etc have consciousness. I don't know how you'd conclude that they don't after observing them for a few minutes.
1 likePlants and vegetables are living things too you water them feed them fertilizer and can even add pills to maintain it healthy same thing with an animal whats the difference it’s not like yall saving the whole world by being vegan
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Plants don't have a conscience or feel pain. Animals do.
1 likeAnimals are shot in the head and have their throat slit
0 likesAnimals were put on the earth for other species to eat them.
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Doesn't have to be us, though.
0 likesIf we being honest , its really just the circle of life
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It doesn't have to be. Not all animals eat meat you know.
0 likesAll jokes aside the guy is severely misinformed. Even regarding the Bible he tried to play into his emotions by saying “the Bible promotes slavery”, insinuating a slave=Black man. Every race owned slaves and it didn’t become a race thing until the 1800’s. Also there were no where near the amount of African slaves that they promote. Slavery in the Bible’s context isn’t exactly the Oxford definition version or what we are taught today. Also he says “we have to modernize things”. Why? That makes no sense. Modernize is just because right? These animals are food for us. You don’t have to eat meat but there are animals that u can eat and animals that u can’t or definitely should not eat. You’ll normally see the Caucasian dealing with extremes and not really much nuance. Back then it was “let’s destroy everything”, now it’s “let’s save everything”.
0 likesWhen he said Tyrone I’ve never followed a ig account so fast
1 likeImagine having hate towards people who use the tools and food the most high gave us🤡
0 likesI’m vegan and the first video didn’t bother me at all. Kinda found it funny lol. I do it for health benefits though. I’m not one of those animal activists. I love animals but that much lol. Do and eat what y’all want. To each’s own 💯
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I personally wouldn't call you a "vegan" then. Veganism is about animal liberation. If you stopped eating animals for your health, then I'd say that you consume a plant-based diet.
0 likes@Heekamalo Kilo that sounds like an animal advocate or activist. Veganism definition literally means eating plant based and not using animal products. Like I am a black man, even if I don’t advocate BLM I’m still a black man you feel me?
0 likes@Nu Knowledge I understand what you're saying, but I disagree. Veganism cannot be reduced to just a diet; there has to be some ethics behind it, otherwise it's not veganism. You certainly don't have to be an activist to be a vegan (most vegans aren't); you just have to want to reduce your own contribution to animal suffering, which includes not only your diet but extends to clothing, entertainment etc.
1 likeAccording to The Vegan Society: "Veganism is a philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude—as far as is possible and practicable—all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose; and by extension, promotes the development and use of animal-free alternatives for the benefit of animals, humans and the environment. In dietary terms it denotes the practice of dispensing with all products derived wholly or partly from animals."
Most vegans follow this definition or something similar. If you're only doing it for health, you can say you follow a plant-based diet, or even a vegan diet, but you technically wouldn't qualify as a "vegan".
so no one is gonna talk about the random granny he gave the hug....Jidion got a heart of Gold
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0 likesmy boi Jidion shoutin out the Quran 🔥🔥🔥
0 likesGod straight up told peter that meat was ok to eat from then on. Not eating meat is actually more outdated than the bible because meat was only unclean in the old testament
0 likesi am gonna go eat a burger now
0 likeslmfaooo the old lady hug in the beginning
0 likesMe eating chicken nuggets when watching this
0 likes😂😂😂 I fucks with that shirt
0 likesI love youtubers who push the boundaries ina funny way like people are too soft nowadays 😭
1 likeWhat song is in the outro.
0 likesIm not vegan but i do agree its very messed up how the animals r slaughtered and used for other shit people could 100% be more humane when using the animals
0 likesI was eating chicken tenders
0 likesLet's say that we eat meat to save the trees
0 likesAnd they are making a deforestation just to eat some grass
And ask them if they care of the trees
Let's do the same thing except we care about the trees not the cows XD
God put animals in the earth so u can eat them😐
1 like2:55 Best 10 Seconds OF THE WHOLE VID😈
1 likeThe “MOO!” Had me rolling lmao😂
Vegans really think meat distributors shoot animal in the head?? Lol
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The meat "distributors" don't, but many butchers do.
0 likesThe vegan won on the religion jidon should not bring in religion and yes it is out dated
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Not vegan
0 likesI dont like religon and all that but like dont come and disrespect others just to push your viewpoint such as veganism.
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I think you would "push your viewpoint" though. If you thought someone was doing something unethical, wouldn't you say something?
0 likes@Heekamalo Kilo depends on the situation.
0 likes@TonyCantSkate Precisely. And in this situation, vegans feel like they have a moral obligation to stand up for the animals.
0 likesSounds delicious
0 likesVegans act like it’s not natural for humans to kill animals like if u go in the jungle the first thing that can kill u will 😂 and won’t hesitate
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Nature is cruel. Just because something is found in nature doesn't mean humans have to do it.
0 likesso i'm curious..he sacrifices a lamb every year? 'cause that's what the bible says. if he doesn't, than he's not a true believer.
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I think hes kidding bro
0 likes*hugs a random grandma
0 likes“Whippin ya dong out”
0 likesGod put animals here for us to eat its called the food chain
1 likeWait what jidion u were just a 100k last time i checked
0 likesCan you make hats saying professional raw dogger or homiesexual ? Also keep up the good work enjoyed the content 🦾
0 likesWhy are a lot of vegans gay that’s why I’m not going vegan that food bad
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You're scared that going vegan will turn you gay?
0 likesWell uh we are at the top of the food chain and also apex predators…if all of us went vegan who knows what could happen tbh…
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If everyone went vegan, humanity's carbon footprint would significantly reduce and so would the chance of having future pandemics.
0 likesAy bruh when did Jidion get smart 😂😂
0 likesAll you had to tell him was it’s the natural cycle of life. Humans are animals just as much as a pig is. Only difference is pigs aren’t predators and we are. The same way a wolf would rip chunks out of a living pig to eat it. We simply flail them painlessly in order to eat. He should be fighting wolves and telling them to stop
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You're comparing us to wolves? Have you ever killed an animal the way a wolf does?
0 likes@Heekamalo Kilo bro I agree with you re read what I said
0 likes@imStrongPlayz I misread but I also don't agree. I don't think that's a good justification for killing animals. We have other food options, so why not just eat those? We don't have to cause animal suffering. Also, why should vegans fight wolves? We can't communicate with them and they don't have the same moral agency as us.
0 likesGreat discussion
0 likesAbcdef I put jidion as a c rank debator
0 likesOne of the most creative youtubers in awhile
0 likeshow does he think hunters and gatherers caught animals
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1 likejidion actually hella smart lmao
0 likesmost land animals that have meat will most likely when they get old they won’t be able to walk anymore so they will be stuck there starving to death and being eaten by ants and stuff i think
0 likesIt’s pretty sad how far vegans go for defending animals. But humans are being literally being butchered alive in Mexico everyday.
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It's pretty sad how people try to invalidate the animal liberation movement. Someone needs to speak for the animals. People can care about humans and non-humans at the same time.
1 like@Heekamalo Kilo sure but gotta focus on people first.
0 likes@House of Dismemberment Then we'll never get to the animals. There will always be a human rights issue somewhere. It's okay to care about multiple things at once.
1 likeBIBLE BEST BOOK OUT THERE!! 7 BILLION COPIES SOLD!!!
0 likesHe said imma smash your phone, bruh I would’ve payed for you to lay him out right there 😂
0 likesVegans be tha most sensitive bruh 😭🤣🤣
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It’s ironic cause in my experience it seems to be the meat eaters who are most sensitive lol
2 likes@Will bruh if you go into a vegan restaurant and have meat they literally act like it’s the end of the world 😂😂
0 likes@ProdbyMarx Well most people would rightly be unsure how to respond in that situation. Again, as someone who has done activism, meat eaters seem to be the most sensitive.
0 likesI rly wanted to massacre a cow farm after this no lie
0 likesi got a chicken nugget ad for wendy’s before this
0 likesI used to be like you but to be honest, this idea pranking vegans is fucking stupid
0 likes5:43 yah but there’s joking then there’s people who aren’t joking :3 well they are but they don’t know
0 likesDavid isn't 100% on target, I'll check out a vegan place if I'm looking for food because as a veggie it's great food and a big choice. I love animals, but meat doesn't offend me.
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Ahh yeah dude but do you think you can love animals while simultaneously killing them?
1 likeayeee Jesus is king
0 likesI bet there are vegans who play Minecraft wtf they do just strictly eat berries? Fruits?That’s why when god put us on this earth he gave us animals for our source of food ur telling me I’m just supposed to ignore that and feel bad cause what I ate was living plants living too 💀
1 likePeople don’t even realize that God put animals on earth for reasons and and one of them is for food
0 likesVegan guy was so cool to be on video, will look into being vegan, very interesting choice
2 likesWho else thinks he looks like a older version of C banz?
0 likesWhat the Heck, did you really pulled out the Religion thing?
0 likesLike why?
vegan man is smart just not about his view on animals lol
0 likesBruh if I was on the mic I would tear the man up
0 likesJIDION IS UNDERRATED 🤣
0 likesYessir!!! Jidion a Christian brother💪💪💪
0 likesI was eating meat while watching this
0 likesLove you jidion you da best
0 likesNah JiDion made some good points it was a good discussion tho
1 likePlot twist it was real meat
0 likesI think he’s just racist
0 likesIfw your videos dion but if you don’t think killing animals wrong then it something wrong with you. Need to learn to take accountability
1 likeis it just me or does JD got a lazy eye 😭😭😭
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I can kinda see it
0 likesI’m just going to say this and leave it here because of the religion conversation started in the video JiDion. Animal sacrifices to the Lord was Old Testament under the old covenant. When Jesus died on the cross, he offered himself as a living sacrifice for our sins. Jesus was the ultimate sacrifice which is why we no longer sacrifice animals and offer them to God for our sins. So please don’t say the Old Testament is still relevant today. We don’t offer the animals we kill to God. People go out and kill animals and we eat them because that’s food. The other guy’s viewpoint doesn’t make sense either. He was making points about “something being written 1,000” years ago not being relevant. There are a lot of things in the Bible that are quite relevant today and applicable in everyday life but a lot of things in the Old Testament don’t apply to the New Testament and the new covenant. Just saying.
1 likeWhat about the circle of life
0 likesIt killed me when he said that butchers get ptsd and depression killing animals smh they signed up to kill these fuckin animals 😂
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It's a real thing unfortunately. :(
1 likeThe Bible doesn’t justify slavery lol
0 likes"its not real peace" well i mean not if its halal meat lmao. (for those of you who do not know what halal meat is, its basically meat eaten by, Muslims or can also be eaten by non Muslims that is blessed when the animal is killed)
1 likeW god
0 likeslol im a vegan but only cause i just dont like eating meat idc about the killed animals or any of that bullshit lol
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"Veganism" is about animal liberation though. It sounds like you just consume a plant-based diet.
1 like@Heekamalo Kilo i guess if that what u call it lol im not vegetarian tho
0 likes@Kyle Kirkland If your diet consists of no animal products at all, then you can say it's plant-based. Since you're not doing it for ethical reasons, I'm assuming you don't refrain from buying leather, wool etc which are things vegans avoid buying.
0 likesIm swatting the vegan youtuber be ready
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0 likesThese people really think nature is all cuddly animals like bambi. I swear if you put a vegan out in the wild, 6 months later they’re gonna have some different viewpoints when they experience just how brutal Mother Nature is.
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Most vegans would have no issue with killing for survival in the wild. The point is that you and I aren't living in the wild and we have other food options, making animal product consumption unnecessary.
0 likes@Heekamalo Kilo That’s only been the case as of recently. My dad was the first generation of his family that didn’t have to hunt to put good food on the table. It’s part of my culture and history. Even historians attribute the growth of human brains to eating meat.
1 likeI agree it can be done in a much more sustainable fashion. For instance I buy a cow from one of the local farms when they have one ready, and split it with friends and family.
@Heekamalo Kilo It’s a very privileged place we come from to be able to place morality on what someone eats. Many places don’t have the luxury of an abundance of crop lands and have to make due living off what’s available. So most people around the world don’t even get a choice they just eat to survive. They also need meals that won’t have a lack of nutrients and will keep them full throughout the day.
0 likes@Lucian S I agree that I'm privileged to be able to place morality on what I eat, but that doesn't make it any less necessary to do so. Once I acknowledged that the animals that I ate were worthy of moral consideration, excuses like "habit", "culture" and "convenience" weren't good enough. Thankfully, I live somewhere where I have access to a variety of healthy and affordable plant-based foods at the supermarket. Therefore, I'm not concerned about price and health.
0 likes@Heekamalo Kilo So that’s where a lot of people find vegans annoying. You can’t pick and choose what’s important to other people based on your moral compass. Cause it’s all opinions. You have yours and I have mine, which both have equal value.
0 likesI’m fine with eating most animals if it’s for survival, because I know that if I were the vulnerable one and an animal is hungry then it would eat me. That’s how the world works, so I don’t have these inhibitions about the reality none of us chose on this planet. Where as on the other hand I find culture is very important so just because you can toss yours away willingly doesn’t mean you can expect or try to shame others to. Our cultures are what built the societies to be the sustainable world we live in now, and where we can even have these discussions.
@Lucian S Do you think it's okay to leave an ethical argument at "we just have different opinions" when there's a victim involved? Of course vegans don't like it when non-vegans (the ones who are able to vegan) use "culture" as an argument against them personally not going vegan. Why does culture dictate morality? Don't people judge immorality in other cultures (when it comes to human rights) all the time? Vegans are just asking people to empathise with animals and recognise that they should be worthy of moral consideration.
0 likesIf you were eating animals for survival, vegans would take no issue with that. But if you have other food options available (e.g. access to a supermarket with a variety of healthy and affordable plant-based foods), that's when an activist might try to convince you. Also, I'm not sure which "sustainable world" you're living in because I'm certainly not in it. 😅 Climate change would not be an issue if we were living sustainably. Also, cutting out animal products from one's diet tends to greatly reduce one's carbon footprint.
@Heekamalo Kilo I don’t see animals eaten for food as a “victim” or atleast not how most people would define a victim. A victim of its circumstances in this universe which is cruel but a frankly a stark reality for anything that exists here on this planet, then yes.
0 likesHumans kill animals to build our homes, cities, when we drive cars, hell even the crop lands used to grow veggies had to be cleared of life and continued to be cleared every year. There are other consequences too like pollution from pesticides and diversion of water away from where it would naturally flow. All of this effects animals and contributes to more “victims.” Should it all be halted because a subset of the population thinks it’s morally wrong, or do you think they’ll tweak their stance to continue to enjoy all the luxuries? That’s where I find it funny how vegans pick and choose
@Lucian S If someone who is sentient and can feel pain doesn't have to be killed, but they're killed anyway, then aren't they a victim? What about dairy cows who are continuously impregnated and separated from their calves only to be killed once they get too old to produce milk? Are they not victims? What about male chicks who aren't useful to egg industry and are killed soon after they're born? Are they not victims?
0 likesYou're implying that vegans "pick and choose" but all of the things you mentioned are things a vegan would care about. If it kills an animal, a vegan cares. The easiest way to reduce one's contribution to animal suffering is cutting animal products from your diet. Humans kill BILLIONS of land animals every year just to eat and TRILLIONS of fish. That's a lot of unnecessary death. Most vegans also happen to care about the environment, so I'm sure they prefer organic farming.
@Heekamalo Kilo Nice job totally dodging my question and just reverting back to the overplayed moral argument.
0 likes@Heekamalo Kilo Just because animals die for food doesn’t make them victims. It makes them part of the ecosystem, and you should be ecstatic that humans are at the at top.
0 likesWhich brings me back to the original point, that for human societies to even exist successfully, then we have to kill animals. You know the societies that afford luxuries like an abundance of plant foods, half of which go bad anyways and still greatly effect nature to grow and harvest. Which just transporting has a huge carbon footprint. So regardless of how vegans like to pat themselves on the back for not eating meat they still love to partake in many of the activities that are cruel or contribute to animal suffering. The difference is I know that’s the reality of humans and where we are in today’s world, whereas vegans use it as a badge to make themselves feel morally superior.
Similar to how people would and still do shame others based on their religion.
@Lucian S I don't think everyone's going to suddenly change their habits due to a minority, but how do you think movements grow? Education and activism. This is what many vegans and environmentalists try to do. The world is becoming more and more sustainable, and there's also going to be a preference for not using/killing animals unnecessarily. Veganism is growing, so more and more vegan options are becoming available. I personally would get a new house built for me, so that bit isn't in issue for me. I support organic farming whenever I can to reduce my contribution to pesticide use and I don't own a car and I'm not planning on buying one (for environmental reasons). If I did get an electric car, I try my best to ensure many of the parts are vegan. This will depend on availability and affordability. Veganism is about doing your best.
0 likes"For human societies to even exist successfully, then we have to kill animals"??? Why? How's society going to collapse without animal products? Plant-based diets tend to have a lot smaller carbon footprint than omnivorous diets. Fact. (taking into account transport)
Veganism isn't about being superior to others, it's recognising that animals should needlessly be exploited. It's about animal liberation. It's impossible under the current system to eliminate all of one's contribution towards animal suffering; veganism is about doing whatever's practicable and possible, and changing your diet is one the simplest, biggest things a vegan can do. I've already told you how many animals humans kill every year to eat.
I really don't understand why you're so against veganism. Why aren't animals victims if they're dying unnecessarily? Do you think animals are worthy of ANY moral consideration?
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0 likesYour awesome dude
0 likesBut you ate it
0 likesPlants or alive too stop killing plants 🌱 if that’s the case 🤣
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They're alive but they're not sentient.
0 likesIf vegans are vegan to save the animals then why they eatin they food???
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0 likesIs anyone else eating bacon while watching this
0 likesBeing vegan isn’t necessarily about saving animals. I know plenty of vegans who don’t really care about the animals they don’t eat meat because of all the chemicals being fed to the animals and they don’t want to consume the same chemicals being fed to the animals. Also Just because you stop eating meat doesn’t stop that animal from being killed . Also I can’t really stand ppl with his viewpoints because they will scream for animal rights but stay silent when black and brown ppl are getting killed by police everyday . I have nothing against vegans I like to try vegan meals and would like to eat a mostly plant based diet myself
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Veganism IS about animal liberation though. If someone stops consuming animal products for health, but not for the animals, then they're not vegan. They just have a plant-based diet.
0 likesbro its true in my religion you gotta slaughter a lamb every year.
1 likeI have a prank idea, if you're riding a plane next time watch air crashe investigation loudly, that shit would be hilarious.
0 likesGo visit Tyrone!!!
0 likesMe watching this while eating a burger😈
0 likesdababy
0 likeshow would the animals not overpopulate without getting killed
0 likesJust wait til this guy realizes that animals rip each other apart and eat each other while they’re still alive in the wild
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Why would he not already know that?
1 likeEven tho this dude isn’t American… This is EXACTLY what’s wrong AMERICANS..
0 likesDon’t let vegans watch other animals killing other animals tho
0 likeslast time i checked you have 20k subs wtf happend
0 likesHe’s already dead so I mean
0 likesI’m eating chicken watching this
0 likesAnimals make jobs so yes they are important
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fucks wit jidion Your ganna get fucks wit 🤣😂
1 likeAgnostic💯💯💯💯
0 likesI bet if JiDion asked him “what would you do if you were lost in the wilderness, what would you eat?” I bet he would freeze up.
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Why would he freeze up? He would eat whatever he could find. Thankfully, he isn't lost in the wilderness so he doesn't have to consume animal products.
0 likesThis generation of ours complicates things . If you don't eat the cows or goats & sheeps . What is the point of them living . They will just overbreed and destroy the vegatation .In this world in order to get something you need to give something.
0 likesThe vegan weirdo was right for the most part of this stream. Love your videos but you were ignorant, loud and speaking over him.
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That’s the whole point mate
0 likesI’m vegan but wasn’t offended at all I thought this was hilarious af 😂
0 likesJiDion the goat!
0 likesJidion I believe in the Bible too and I support everything you said but the Bible points that Jesus sacrificed himself so you don’t have to sacrifice a lamb
0 likesThe ones who are doing more to save animals are wildlife biologists, conservationists, scientists in general. And most of them aren't vegan. Just being vegan won't save animals.
0 likesThe guy starts losing the arguement. The guy: they get there throats slit and shot in the head
0 likesShoulda said I hate animals and that’s my belief what about that?
0 likesHes right tho? The bible justifies stoning, but we cant do that today, you cant take the bible as a word by word rulebook. You have to put what it says into todays terms.
1 likesmokin on that cow pack
0 likesHe says it's not a belief. Lol
1 likeGlad you believe in the bible bro :)
0 likesWhy he bring up slavery? 😂😂
0 likesIt’s not like you Killed the animal or asked the the person we have to survive just likes he’s vegan 🌱 you can eat meat 🥩 it’s vice versa
0 likesI love this mans
0 likesLike I said before I watch you on 2 Different accounts 😂😂This my Backup
0 likes1:51 bruh lmfao that ad
1 likeLmaooooo
0 likesThis vegan dude knows nothing about the Bible
1 likeI mean he seems chill, but our ancestors decided to go for meat, instead of eating just vegetables. Why? It was more nutritious and actually filled them up, I mean just look at nature, they dont give a shit about any orher animals, hell hyenas will eat something alive, same with other animals. No vegan can comment saying this is false, unless of course they still think the earth is flat.
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This is an appeal to tradition fallacy. Just because we have done something for a long time, doesn't mean we should continue doing so.
1 likeAnd humans can be perfectly healthy on a plant-based diet, so the "more nutritious" thing is irrelevant.
And the part about hyenas not caring about other animals is an appeal to nature fallacy.
We don’t be eating monkeys and shit. Just cow chicken and pork bro
0 likes3:49 i literally died bro hahahhaha
1 likeBible slavery is different from “modern day” as in 1700s slavery, if you read a bit of the Bible you’d know that 🤣
0 likesJidion the lamb sacrifice was in the Old Testament, it is somewhat outdated.
1 likeBruh animals are made to eat but not all of them
1 likeDababy
0 likesit's honestly the sickest role in the food chain to jus take an animal out of its misery and then inhale its fkn nutrients and shit.. play your role and shit.. stay in your carnivorous lanes and shit.. vegetarians are battling nature not us.. that okay, be skinny af, we wont wanna eat you then, i see their tactics.. vegetarians are just beta humans that arent tryna be eaten.. simple as that..
1 likeThese animals were selectively bred to be eaten. Just like modern crops were selectively bred to be eaten. Let's get real here, nobody gonna stop eating meat.
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So what if I selectively bred humans to be eaten? would that make it okay to eat those humans? And what do you mean "nobody gonna stop eating meat" I did. Do I not exist?
0 likes"nobody gonna stop eating meat" yet vegans and vegetarians exist.
0 likesThe new American horror story stole your “homiesexual” phrase
0 likesWho's grandma was that
0 likesThis Jawnt got mad philosophical outta nowhere
0 likesCongratulation 🎊 🎊 🎊 🎊 bro u are WINNING hitting milli plus subs God bless 🙏
0 likesReligión lmfao
0 likesYo jidion hi, if u don’t say hi back imma jump off my chair
0 likesWERE MY RAWDOGGERS AT 100 BODYS A DAY ROOF ROOF
0 likesVeganism is right. If you still eat meat, you just don’t care enough… and im one of those who don’t care enough.
1 likeBible says animals are here for humans to eat
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The bible also says that women exist for men. (1 Corinthians 11 9) So probably best not to take it literally.
0 likesShot an animal in the head and slit its throat ... so in which way did you actually kill it? Is he even aware what animal the meat came from lol?
1 likeanimals eat other animals as apart of there diet just like how we eat animals as apart of our diet it's called life
0 likesLook, ima be real. I'm vegan, but I thought that last video was funny af. I fucking hate preachy vegans. This guy seems cool tho. I basically feel how he feels about it.
1 likeThat vegan trippin
0 likesPOV: Me eating a burger Mhm yea that’s sad poor cow 🍔shiii bussin
0 likesthe vegan did bring up some good points tbh
1 likeIf you are vegan you are going against God hope you rot in hell for thinking your better than God
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0 likesMy only argue against the vegan honestly we shouldn’t kill as many ass we do or have them in such fucked up ways but either way animals kil animals to eat we gotta eat they yummy
0 likesHe hates you so much lol
0 likesMy favorite part is where he says “shot in the head and slit their throat”
0 likesI get where vegans coming from but we just look at them as food and has been dis way for years. Y’all should just do y’all and let us do us
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"I get where abolitionists are coming from, but we just look at black people as property, and it has been this way for years. Y'all should just do y'all and let us do us."
0 likesIf your logic can be used to justify slavery, you might want to rethink it a bit.
Bro said the Bible was outdated
0 likesThe random hug when he was buying a grill
0 likesDutlniv tioogattlyg
0 likesJidion made an argument about lambs in the Bible while it was normal to sacrifice lambs while in the Old Testament to atone for our sins. In the New Testament Jesus was the “lamb” and was sacrificed for everyone’s sins back then and future. All you have to do is believe that Jesus really died on the cross and he takes away our sins. So lambs aren’t necessary for sacrificial reasons anymore making his argument illegitimate.
0 likesWell I saw a deer fly today....after getting hit by the car in front of me
0 likesu dont shoot it in tha head😭that makes tha meat bad
0 likesBruh but like, cool your vegan and shi but no need to force all that shi on non vegans like let us be us and you be you
0 likesI've been subbed before 300k
0 likesBussin
0 likesEff that guy, he is a stone cold plant killer, and believes his kill is ok but yours needs to be banned
0 likesI wonder if animals get shot in the head and get their throats slit he didn’t even let us know
0 likesWheres YOUR INTRO YOOO
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0 likesCool dood
0 likesDis vegan nigga wasn't so bad and NgL that sandwich from last video looked smackin smocking dat vegetable pack SHEEEESH
1 likeWho's getting ptsd from being a butcher 🤣🤣
0 likesI feel like everyone has had meat one point of their time so it's funny when people say their vegan
0 likesEdit: don't come at me for this
Animals were sacrificed in order to set a bigger picture for when Jesus was killed for our sins.
0 likesVegans don’t realize how many animals have to die in the process of growing plants
0 likesThe vegan guy has a strong forehead tho
0 likesAnimals eat animals
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0 likesPropaganda
0 likesI watched this video eating chicken wings
0 likesIf you think that being cruel to dogs is immoral, then why would it be okay to be cruel to other animals? Why do you get to decide which animal is deserving of your kindness and respect, and which can be oppressed and brutally killed? Be consistent with your values, if you against animal cruelty, go vegan. Also African Americans are the fastest growing vegan demographic. If you want to know why, watch the documentaries: The Invisible Vegan, and They're trying to kill us.
2 likeswhat about reproduction??
0 likesI just don’t agree with the way most companies treat the animals
0 likesAll you have to do to beat a vegan is bring up the fact that farmers have to kill 3x the amount of animals to keep their vegetables from being eaten by them.. So therefor they are killing animals by purchasing vegetables.
1 likeAnimals are dumb asl anyway
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So are some mentally disabled humans, does that mean it's okay to kill them?
0 likesMan your content keeps getting better stay on the grind JiDion🔥🔥
1 likeHoly fucking shit I just found out we have the same goku pc wallpaper
0 likesJust ate a glizzy today with 3 different meats and a rib it was bussin
1 likehere we go they both turned into karens throwing stupid facts around
0 likesJesus ate fish bruh
0 likesguys, dont hate on vegans, they try a lot harder than we do to treat animals right
2 likesVideo idea: Bait vegans into eating Meat
1 likeShould have made him say “fuck Tyrone you fucka” in his Finland accent
0 likesIt’s litteraly the circle of life
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That's "litteraly" an appeal to nature fallacy.
0 likesThe dababy outtro lmfao
0 likesI don’t know cause it doesn’t exist. I felt that
0 likescringe
0 likesWhat is this vegan talking about cows don’t get shot in the head, are u dumb, they get gassed and die in a peaceful way, at least do your research.
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They don't get shot with a bullet, some places use a bolt gun which destroys some brain tissue and knocks them unconscious. Then they slit the neck open and hang the cow upside down to drain out most of the blood. Here is a video of a few examples. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaKX2915USQ
2 likesVegan people think their opinion is superior but when we place our thought against it they get so defensive🤣 - the vegan guy was losing that debate
0 likesTake a shot every time he says animals get shot in the head and their throat slit
1 likeGod gave us animals and told us to have dominion over the earth therefore it is morally ok to kill and eat animals
0 likesYo That discussion was interesting asf lol
0 likesNo bias here
0 likesActually live stared by eating the other one
0 likesIt’s called ENERGY to live .
Bru, he said animals get shot in the head and have there slits throat for a Sandwich 😭
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Indeed. It's sad that it happens, isn't it? :(
2 likesAnother banger
0 likesThe quoran and bible are basically the torat lol so they all the same shit
0 likesI take a break from jidion so i have more content and he at 1 mill congrats
1 likeThis is how controversial topics should be discussed. Prada both of you for establishing a middle ground.
0 likesThe comment section jsut filled with vegans lmao
0 likesI love hunting and eating animal flesh not gonna lie
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Do you think your love for it justifies doing it from a moral standpoint?
1 like@Heekamalo Kilo I really don't care about morals. I care about eating food that I enjoy.
0 likes@Not Me Have you ever tried dog meat before?
0 likes@Scrub I haven't tried it. I know people hunt coyote around here for predator control but idk of they eat them or not. I probably wouldn't but I enjoy a lot of other animals
0 likesU r at 111k on Ig we better see another tyron video
0 likesthis man never get more merch in or sum
0 likesat 1:51 am i gay ad on his phone
0 likes“Y’all just some crazy mfs”💀
0 likesThis wasn’t even Jidions full power he didn’t even take his Piccolo coat off😂
0 likesPastor Jdion I seeeeee💪🏼
0 likesI care about animals and eat meat stake is amazing
0 likesNgl I went in a slaughterhouse and it was disturbing to see the cows die and see their heads just chillin on the ground no joke. I don’t think either side is wrong, some people prefer meat and some people don’t like to see animals hurt, but it’s never gonna change😂
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How are you saying "it's never gonna change" when the number of vegans is rapidly increasing? Look at how many vegan products are available in the market today when they weren't only a few years ago. Interest in veganism has been increasing rapidly.
1 like@Heekamalo Kilo no I’m saying there will always be people that eat meat, that’s just a fact
1 like@Mobski You don't have to be one of them though. What matters is whether or not you're living morally consistently. What's stopping YOU from going vegan?
1 like@Heekamalo Kilo I like chicken
0 likes@Mobski That's understandable. So, chicken would be the most difficult thing to give up? What about other animal products? Do you think you'd be able to replace them with plant-based alternatives?
0 likes@Heekamalo Kilo shit I’ll try it, but it’s just cheaper and easier to eat real meat
1 like@Mobski Fake meats do tend to be more expensive than real meat, but those aren't the only foods available. Vegans also replace meat with beans and lentils which tend to be very cheap. You'll need to find what works best for you financially. It's great that you're willing to try replacing some animal products. Something is better than nothing! I hope it works out well for you. Good luck! :)
1 likeI think this man has forgotten that humans are on top of the food chain and rely on a variety of animals/plants for proper survival.
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We don't rely on animals for survival though. We don't live in the wild. We have access to a variety of healthy and affordable plant-based foods at the supermarket.
1 like@Heekamalo Kilo Fair enough, but either way we are still going to be killing living things for survival. And also, killing animals may seem wrong considering that they're alive and what-not, and the same logic can be applied to plants, if killing animals is wrong what makes killing plants fine?
0 likesFeels like an intro on a Disney plus show
1 likethe curved monitors🥶🐐
0 likestbh its just the food chain. we are killing and eating animals just like other animals are killing and eating animals. we just happen to be on top of the food chain
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What other animals do it irrelevant when it comes to human morality. Vegans say that we don't HAVE to kill animals when we have other options.
1 likeThe bible is okay with slavery if the slave owes u something lmao.
0 likesThis dude dumb ash
God said in Genesis that humans ruled over all beast on earth. But not other humans
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0 likesThis is funny asf 😂😂😂😂
0 likesAfter watching this im going to get a burger 😂
0 likes8:39 if they’re not human and they taste good, heck yeah we eating it
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Would you eat dogs? I'm sure they taste good since they're popular in some countries.
0 likes@Heekamalo Kilo if I had to, yes. If it was part of my culture, yes. Some cultures already eat dogs. In some countries dogs ain’t nothin special
0 likes@Dom Toretto "If I had to" You don't HAVE to though. You have a choice. "If it was part of my culture" Should culture really dictate morality? Cultures always evolve and leave immoral traditions in the past.
0 likes@Dom Toretto what is wrong with eating humans? If they are dead who cares?
0 likesI actually read my Bible daily and understand the Bible. When the vegan said slavery is justified in the Bible, A. when God gave rules for slavery, he didn’t tell masters to be like the masters during American slavery, and B, God wasn’t in support of slavery, but he knew ppl would have them (hence why he gave rules for slavery) just like he knows ppl are going to sin, so he gave a savior for our sins
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Some humans also still kill other humans. And god would know, since he's omnicient. But he still put "Thou shalt not kill" in the ten commandments.
0 likesSo why did he make murder a sin, but not slavery?
How was your quality worse than his 😭
0 likesi mean i’m vegan, but if you wanna kill an animal an eat in go ahead idc, as long as i know i’m not in fine
0 likesWhere in the Quran does it say about slavery in Islam where taught about to free slaves
0 likesall jokes aside this guy made no sense to me a a animal is a animal they cant talk and they taste good
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But animals do feel pain and have sentience. Is that not enough to grant them any moral consideration?
1 likedo another vegan place LMAOOO
0 likesWhen he does the Closed caption and adds daddy
0 likesmy nigga jdiob wildin
0 likesIf the animal is already dead. I don’t want it’s death to go to a useless cause. I don’t mind eating meat I just personally don’t kill the animal if it makes sense
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But when you pay for an animal, you are asking someone to kill more animals on your behalf so you're still causing it. That's how supply and demand works.
1 like@Heekamalo Kilo we are not personally asking people to kill the animal we just eat the meat that is already stocked on the shelves. And even if we don’t kill those animals they will have a far more painful death when a coach of coyotes come along and start ripping it to shreds
0 likes@JET HTX 1. By continuously buying a product, you are purposefully supporting that business and helping them continue. If meat-eaters aren't responsible for animal deaths then who is? That's how supply and demand works.
1 like2. Where'd the coyotes come from? If a farm animal isn't being abused by a human, then they're living peacefully in a sanctuary, not in the wild.
@Heekamalo Kilo I’m obviously not talking about things like pigs or sheep. But there are multiple instances where I’ve seen coyotes kill cows, deer, chickens and many other animals. Even if I stop buying meat they will still keep killing them. It honestly would help with overpopulation too if they let every cow live there would be too many cows
0 likes@JET HTX Are you implying that the only options for a farm animal are either 1. Be killed by a human or 2. Be killed by a wild animal? What about the option where they get rescued and live in an animal sanctuary? (where their natural lifespan won't be drastically shortened) Also, why would there be too many cows? If people aren't buying them then they won't be bred either.
1 like@Heekamalo Kilo that’s always possible but I feel the first two are the most common
0 likesI literally got an add to be vegan before this vid lmao
0 likesI like this vegan guy
1 likeDid you guys know that the animals are shot in the head and have their throat slit?
0 likesthe bible doesn’t justify slavery lmao
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animals don’t have souls they r food
0 likesFunny how people talk about the Bible and take shots at it and know nothing about it🤣
0 likesHmmmm I guess we should stop animals killing other animals to eat as well?
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Why/how would we do that? Veganism is about animal liberation from humans.
0 likes@Heekamalo Kilo lmao but humans eating other animals was part of the food chain since the cave days😂😂😂
0 likes@Gamer Nabz So if something has been done since our cave days, that means it's morally okay? What about rape and murder (of humans)? People don't use the "cave days" to defend those.
1 like@Heekamalo Kilo lmao alright, ur comparing the natural food chain to heinous crime but alright
0 likes@Gamer Nabz Rape is also natural, but we still condemn it. Why? Why is a behaviour that is so common in nature called a "heinous crime" in human society? Because it has a victim. A victim who is sentient and can feel pain. Farm animals are also sentient and feel pain, which is why I made that comparison.
1 like@Heekamalo Kilo rape isn’t natural 😂😂😂
0 likesWhat about stores they sell meat
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What about them?
1 likeDude we all have right and God said he gave us those animals to kill and eat
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He doesn't say we HAVE to eat them though.
0 likesPop off
0 likesDidn’t know vegan extremist existed until now
0 likesI eat healthy for my health, animals are gon get killed regardless unfortunately
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Why would domesticated farm animals be killed regardless? They're only killed because people pay for it.
1 likeI mean the animal already dead and the meats j there he’s j buying it
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He's paying for more of the product to be produced. i.e. he's paying for more animals to be killed on his behalf. That's how supply and demand works.
1 likeMake the Bible vegan🤣🤣
0 likesgod I feel so bad for your neighbor, stop fucking screaming
1 likeAt the end of the day aliens are probably gonna come slice our throats with their own solid morals. Then we can find an answer. Nice vid
0 likesjidion is a well spoken debater ngl 💯
0 likesIn all fairness there are many many health benefits to eating a plant based diet
0 likesYou're my favorite Jidion.
1 likeIs it fucked up for a lion to eat a gazelle
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Lions have no other choice; it's difficult for them to find food in the wild.
1 likeGod bless you all and your families 🙏🏽✝️🛐🛐
0 likesThey be protesting and mcdonalds and they get mad when its done to them? LMAOOOOO
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Was JiDion protesting though? He was clearly doing it for a laugh, not for ethical reasons.
1 likeBro almost made me go vegan, can’t lie
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Ooh "almost". What do you think would tip you over the edge?
2 likes@Heekamalo Kilo honestly the only thing that almost caught me was saving the animals. I love the fact that vegans have compassion for animals since we, humans, are also creatures, but idk. I mean I’d wanna go vegan to help animals out, but at the same time, I’m not too sure
1 like@FijiFN It's great that you care about animals! That's what veganism is all about. For many people, veganism is about living in a morally consistent manner. Once people realise that they care about animals, but they're still paying for them to be abused, then that's hypocritical. Once someone acknowledges that, then the next question is what's stopping them from not paying for animal abuse? What is your biggest concern about going vegan? :)
1 like@Heekamalo Kilo I’m not too sure. I feel like I wouldn’t be able to fully commit since I’m Hispanic and half of our cultural stuff is full of meat and everything. That’s not even the half though, I just don’t think I’d be able to commit to going vegan, it’s nothing about peer pressure or anything, but it’s just the simple fact that I can never convince my brain to do what I wanna do
1 likeWait until vegans find out that plants can feel pain too
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You think plants can feel pain?
1 like@Heekamalo Kilo I don't just "think" plants feel pain. When plants are distressed or in pain, they emit an ultrasonic cry(s). There are tons of articles on it based on a study/experiment conducted by the University of Tel Aviv. If you're curious, I recommend you check some of them out, they're pretty interesting.
0 likes@TTIWI I'm pretty sure I've looked that up before, and I think it's a bit anthropomorphising to call in "pain". No educational institution teaches that "plants feel pain". It's an area that doesn't have enough research to accept something like that. It's not difficult to see the pain in animals since they are so similar to us, whereas plants are not so we need to be even more careful when categorising their biology. When animals feel pain, we can actually do something about it. We can move away from the painful stimulus and we can cry for help. What can plants do? How do the ultrasonic "cries" help? Since this is in relevance to veganism, even if plants could feel pain, vegans need to decide what to place higher value on: plants or animals? We need to eat something. Based on we know currently, animals do feel pain and are sentient, but we can't say the same for plants, so we choose to eat plants instead of animals. Even if plants somehow turned out to be sentient, would it be at the same level as the animals that we eat? I don't think so, so it's safe to say that when having to choose between eating a plant or an animal, I'm going for the plant.
1 like@Heekamalo Kilo You make good points, indeed, but who is to say that the lives of animals inherently matter more than those of plants? Once an animal is killed, how are we to know that they even remember the pain and(or) fright they may have felt before dying? Does pain and suffering even matter if they don't remember it and it no longer effects them? Sorry for going full Socrates, but these are the questions that come to mind in a discussion like this.
0 likesI didn’t know u were a Christian ✝️😊
1 likeIn Douglasses book, he talks about how during slavery, there was a point where blacks were able to go to the better areas however, white people wouod disguise themselves as journalists and what not to prevent them. That’s ironic about how Pharaoh in the Bible tried to stop the Israelites from escaping when God departed the Red Sea. And the Red Sea is a historical place in the world…some food for thought 🤔💭
0 likesFirst Corinthians 8:13 “Wherefore, if meat make my brother to offend, I will eat no flesh while the world standeth, lest I make my brother to offend."
1 likeAlso the Bible never justified slavery..if God justified slavery, why would the Israelites be set free by Moses? The Bible only talks about respectful relations between the master and slave holder not the extreme like the white people of those time did to hide the New Testament. The New Testament was when the Israelites were freed. Slavery was deemed wrong in the eyes of God through the actions of Pharaoh not allowing God to be worshipped etc. Don’t forget to read everything then just one part to come up with your own conclusion 😮💨🤞🏽
Jidion low key pretty smart
0 likesW mature discussion
0 likesSo should I feed my dogs plants instead of meats? Also my tiger cub from South Africa is hungry what should I feed him, this dude?
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I'd say focus on your plant-based habits before changing your dog's. Remember to consult your vet too; they'll give you the best information. Also, you have a tiger cub from South Africa?? Well, tigers are carnivores so there's not much that can be done about that.
0 likesWhen tf you hit 1mil ????
0 likesThe Bible mentions slavery but it doesn't promote it, there's multiple stories about God freeing people from slavery but people won't know that because they don't even read the Bible, they just pick and choose certain parts without context.
0 likesHumans are animals, people seem to forget that, do you go up to a lion and force it to be vegan? Just because we have intelligence doesn't change the fact that we're omnivores. If every human goes vegan the ecosystem would change and millions would probably die.
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"probably" Please look up the facts. You answered your own question about the lion, but just because humans can digest meat doesn't mean we HAVE to eat it.
0 likes@Heekamalo Kilo Yes we do, if we didn't need to we wouldn't be able to, we don't just evolve that way for no reason. It's funny because vegans seem to forget that in order to cultivate crops you still need to demolish acres of land, basically destroying animal habitats to grow your food. The biggest hypocrites in the world.
0 likes@Mauby We evolved to eat meat because we were struggling for food in our caveman days. We're not in that situation anymore, so we no longer NEED meat. Also, do you know one of the biggest causes of Amazon rainforest destruction? Cattle ranching.
0 likes@Heekamalo Kilo And if everyone turns vegan the rainforests would still be destroyed, not to make room for cattle ranching but growing more crops instead. It doesn't make a difference and I know because I come from a family of farmers. Growing plants is just as harmful as rearing livestock if not done sustainably. Humans are still part of the ecosystem, even if we have the intelligence to manipulate the environment around us. Veganism is only about emotions, if you want to save the environment and animals you should be thinking of ways to do things more sustainably, not going after people because they eat meat. Tribal people still eat meat, but they're not endangering species, there's a balance to be had. People aren't villains for eating meat just as sharks and lions aren't villains for doing the same.
0 likes@Heekamalo Kilo And you have to understand that even having the choice to turn vegan is a privilege not everyone can have due to their environment, climate, lifestyle and other factors. You probably don't need meat, but other people do.
0 likes@Mauby I'm not targeting indigenous people. I'm talking about people who have access to a variety of affordable plant-based options. Plant-based diets tend to be better for the environment due to the amount of land and water used to feed animals and the methane released by cows. Of course crop production can be unsustainable, but I'm not championing unsustainable living. Sustainable, ethical organic farming is the way to go. Why would we be clearing more land to grow crops in a vegan world? If we get rid of livestock, we wouldn't need to grow as much food because humans consume less than livestock. Sharks and lions don't really have a choice, whereas we do.
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0 likesBruh the animal was literally dead already
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i can say the same thing about people who eat dogs. they are already dead so why not just put them in a big fat juicy burger.
0 likesMe eating chicken and ranch while watching this
0 likesthe guy made jidion sound like an 8th grader
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0 likes4:49 “there’s a camera there, and over there” classic gold digger pranks on YouTube be like 😂
1 likeI love how vegans think they’re something else and don’t realize as animals there’s something called being a carnivore lmao
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Humans are omnivores bro
1 likeHumans aren't carnivores tho
0 likesDose this guy know not all meat places slater there animals a lot of places give them a sleep med so they don’t feel the pain
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He's against that too. Also, even if you kill an animal after putting them to sleep, it's still slaughter.
0 likesMe not eating chicken while watching the vid
0 likeshes kinda right tho
1 likeAnimals=food
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Doesn't have to be that way.
0 likes@Heekamalo Kilo it doesn't but I prefer it
0 likes@flames Vegans used to prefer that too before they went vegan. Do you think animals are worthy of moral consideration?
0 likesF vegan people
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you're obviously too young for this platform
0 likesjidion won tf outta that argument
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Did he? He said that they should just accept that they have different beliefs. I would agree with that as long as those beliefs don't have a victim. But eating animals does have a victim... and it can be avoided. So why not avoid it?
1 likeI was vegan a few years ago now I’m meatgan because im paying people to kill leaf
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You value leaves as much as animals?
0 likesJidion is over here making people's days 😂
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0 likesBest youtuber out here
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0 likeswatched a few vids man i gotta sub lol
0 likesWell, what is the vegan extremist's opinion on pornography? I believe, as a Christian, that pornography is immoral. If I were to bet, the vegan probably believes porn should be widely accessible despite the fact that porn objectifies women.
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What does veganism have to do with pornography? Also, does porn only objectify women? And if it does, then wouldn't the solution be to end the objectification rather than porn altogether?
0 likes@Heekamalo Kilo It's two liberals ideologies. Also, you can't have porn without the objectification of women, that's how it works psychologically.
0 likes@Deep-dyed Reactionary Why does this not apply to men? If porn doesn't currently objectify men, then can't it also not objectify women? Also, conservatives can go vegan too.
1 like@Heekamalo Kilo I guess it could objectify men but women dominate the porn industry for obvious reasons. To address your other comment, I meant they were typically liberal ideologies mainly because most conservatives uphold the Bible.
0 likes@Deep-dyed Reactionary I see. Well, are you also against sex scenes in film and TV? I think if in porn, the focus is on the characters and their emotional connection to each other, then the bodies will not be objectified by the viewer. I think changing porn so drastically is a heavy task but I think it can be done. Plus, unless porn is the only content someone is consuming, then the objectification shouldn't be too much of an issue as long as women/men aren't being objectified in all other areas of life. Sex education is schools could help too.
0 likes@Heekamalo Kilo Yes, I am against nude and sex scenes in movies. Also, porn objectively negatively affects the brain. There really isn't an argument to be made for porn. It's very harmful to individuals and society.
0 likes@Deep-dyed Reactionary I don't know much about the research on porn. I'm guessing it's bad for the brain because it's addictive? I mean we haven't banned things like drinking and smoking so would it make sense to ban porn?
0 likes@Heekamalo Kilo Well, in my ideal society, all of those things would be banned. But we have tried banning alcohol before and that created the mafia, so...
0 likes@Deep-dyed Reactionary I see.
0 likesMeat is good
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Not for the animal :(
1 likeI don't know if you're aware Jidion, but premarital sex is a sin. I'm not attacking you. I'm just informing you in the case you didn't know. I'm also not saying that I don't sin, because I do, everyone does.
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I don't sin
0 likes@Scrub Inaccurate statement.
0 likesJesus said it's not what enters a man that defines him, it's what he speaks. So basically eat what you want.
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Doesn't expel mean "remove"? So we are defined by our poop?
0 likes@Heekamalo Kilo I can definitely see how that can be taken the wrong way. What I said is not exactly what the Bible says, but I meant speak. What you speak defines you.
0 likes@Deep-dyed Reactionary I can get behind that. I'd add "what you do" as well. Although, what does the "eat what you want" have to do with "what you speak"?
0 likes@Heekamalo Kilo I said eat what you want because it doesn't matter what you eat. Your character is measured by what you say and, like you mentioned, what you do.
0 likesi was eating salami whole watching this 😬
0 likesHe said vegan is not a diet but it honestly is 😂
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veganism is just being against animal exploitation. it's like how anti-racism is against discrimination against people based on ethnicity.
1 likeYou should've cooked actual meat bro!
0 likesi watched the whole stream and i didn’t know jidion was this smart ngl
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Stop 🛑
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0 likesI don't truly believe people don't care about animals being killed and chopped up. It's just that it's mostly invisible. Most people don't see animals being killed and chopped up and may think twice if they did. Watch the Dominion documentary: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQRAfJyEsko
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Seen it. Meat is delicious I’m gonna eat it until I die
0 likes0:50 no he didn’t pay for that animal to get it throat slit it was gonna die anyway for either the farmers eating or to be sold to someone else to eat it.
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When you pay for a dead animal, you are increasing the demand for that product. The number of animals rises only when the demand does. If someone is contributing to that demand, then they are paying for animals to be killed on their behalf.
0 likesAm i the only one who is wondering where tf is his verified tik on his profile?
0 likesI REALLY like chickan though, Like REALLY like it.
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Is chicken the only thing stopping you from going vegan? What about other animal products? Would you be happy to replace those with plant-based foods?
0 likes@Heekamalo Kilo Steak is on point too. Were above animals on the food chain so I want to know what vegans think about me hunting for my meat instead of ordering it. Technically it hasn't been slaughtered then.
0 likes@CallumG_01 Vegans prefer to not kill animals at all, unless there's no other option. Do you have no other option than to hunt? Do you also hunt chickens?
0 likes@CallumG_01 If some other species overtook us on the food chain, would you agree that is is morally fine for them to harvesting us for meat?
0 likes@Scrub Yea sure, I wouldn't want it to happen but I guess it would make sense. There are already animals that will eat us, we just don't cross paths with them in the wild very often.
0 likesDam I got two lamb steaks in the freezer rn. And also Im sure If there where other human like and sentiment beings we wouldnt eat them. Not sure if people eat monkeys and stuff do idk for sure.
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Why wouldn't you eat them? Pigs and cows aren't as smart as humans but they still feel pain and have a conscience.
0 likes@Heekamalo Kilo Monkeys and baboons are generally regarded as sub humans because of their intellegence . So eating monkeys is regarded as cannibalism. Cows and pigs arent included. Free to eat any other animal thats edible as long as its not considered cannibalism.... That is.....unless.... Your an cannibal that is..
0 likesProblem I have with vegans is that it’s in our nature to eat meat. We are omnivores, just like the rest of nature, there are omnivores, carnivores and herbivores.They don’t protest any other animal in nature eating meat other than humans. Because the way we do it is inhumane? I guarantee being eaten alive is worst than being shot. Also, the only reason we do it the way we do is because we are way more intelligent than every other animal on the planet. If other animals were capable of slaughterhouses for infinite meat then they would do the same. Just how prey/predators work 🤷🏼♂️
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Just because we CAN eat meat doesn't mean we MUST. Animals in nature don't have the luxury of deciding what to eat when they want it. They don't have access to supermarkets full of different healthy, affordable plant-based foods. We do, though. What's our excuse?
1 like@Heekamalo Kilo A complete non-meat diet is not a healthy diet for the human body there’s no way you can convince me otherwise.
0 likes@Thirteen Banger Is there any piece of evidence what could sway your opinion? Say if there was a 500 year long study comparing non-meat diets, only-meat diets, and diets than included meat. I'm not saying that specific study exists, just if you are 100% closed off.
0 likes@Scrub Well no I’m not absolutely close minded. I know I came off as such but yes if there was strong proof that a completely non-meat diet was just as healthy, nutritional, and practical than a diet that included meat than I could have my mind changed. Not saying it would turn me vegan but I would have a better understanding and level of respect. I know not all vegans are the same but your reputation has been very tainted by the few extremist that act just like antifa, feminists, and the LGT communities.
0 likes@Thirteen Banger ah ok. I’m not actually vegan and I have never tried to be vegan, but I think you can still live a healthy life without eating meat. It seems like there isn’t much of a motivation for you to consider a vegan diet since whatever you are doing now is working just fine
1 like@Scrub Yeah man just living the same as our ancestors for the last 100,000+ years. Good talk though.
0 likesJidion is a Christian? BIG W
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0 likesBRO THE OG NELK MUSIC HITS HARD
0 likesYEEAAA U DONT KNOW HOW HAPPY I GOT HEARING JIDIon say he Christian man knowing I’ll see my brothers with my LORD AN SAVIOR MANN-KEEP GOING JIDION GOD LOVES YOU-keep pushing DEMONS DONT WANNA SEE YOU SHINEE PIMPIn GOD loves us all more then WHAT U THINK……
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Nah he isn't going to heaven bro
0 likesMy guy talking about not harming animals while he’s wearing a shirt that’s material comes from an animal
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lol it's cotton
2 likescooking food in any restaurant is kinda dik move
1 likeNot vegan but i do think a vegan lifestyle would benefit the world only cus cow farts are leading contributing to world co2 pollution
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yes but also have you seen how adorable cows are? they are like big puppies.
0 likesBruh they don't get shot in the head and slit their throats like they humanely smash their heads so they instantly die plus meat was put on earth to eat
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1. "They humanely smash their heads"??? Hahahaha. How is "smashing a head" more ethical than a simple gun shot?
0 likes2. We don't HAVE to eat meat just because it's available. We have other options.
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0 likesAnother W For JIDION!
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0 likesVegan is worse for animals because every farm animal ever has been eaten, either by a predator, a human or decomposers. With a predator it is out in the wild struggling to find food and water while getting eaten alive by a predator. If it is by a decomposer they die a slow painful death from a sickness, hunger, or thirst then get eaten by bacteria, scavengers, worms, etc. From a human they get taken care of and loved their entire life, and die from a quick painless death. Plus some gets to have a tasty meal.
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What? It's not like farmers rescue their livestock from the wild. Farm animals are bred specifically for human consumption. There is no "cruel life in the wild" alternative for them. Either they get eaten by humans, or they're rescued by vegans who allow them to live the rest of their life peacefully in a sanctuary.
0 likes@Heekamalo Kilo My scenario is if everyone turned vegan and all ranchers and farmers lost there jobs and the livestock was left to themselves in the wild
0 likes@Heekamalo Kilo there would not be nearly enough volunteers to take care of all the animals left behind at best there would only be about 2% taken care of
0 likes@Heekamalo Kilo also I’m not against vegans I just want to share my beliefs
0 likesNever seen a nice vegan in my life
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0 likesThe Bible never justified slavery
0 likesThat merch is kinda fire tho
0 likesI WANTED HIM TO COOK REAL MEAT >:(
0 likesMenace to society 🤣😂😂
0 likesyou should had told him to say fuck tyrone
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0 likesveganism as a diet = unhealthy
1 likeveganism as about saving the animals = doesn't work
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1. Why can't a plant-based diet be healthy?
0 likes2. How does veganism "not work"? Would the demand for animal products not be higher if all vegans/vegetarians were omnivores?
1:08 that's a blatant logical fallacy
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false equivalency btw
0 likesthe fact that my fam is doing it as a diet
0 likesfucking love jidon bro
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1 like8:54 it doesn't exist 😂
0 likesWhat is this vegan guy on? I can’t understand 95% of the shit he’s saying.
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he has an english accent. do americans understand people from other countries?
0 likes@I love Sustainable Energy Nah he just sounds dumb lmao.
0 likes@I love Sustainable Energy Also do people not from America just assume Americans are dumb? Crazy world.
0 likesJidion man always making bangers
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0 likesYo you hit the 200k you buying me a car
0 likesWho else thought the guy was pewdiepie for a second
1 likeThe way he says slit there there throats and shot in the head makes it sound like every animal is killed like that
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Well the point is that they're killed at all. Please read up on the other killing methods. They're not much better. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_slaughter
0 likesI still can't believe this guy repeated " animals are shot in the head and have their throats slit" like 10 times. I mean sure if those animals are on a farm. But in slaughter houses is just like a giant blender
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What are you talking about? Most farm animals are sent to a slaughterhouse.
0 likes"You paid for an animal to be killed in a slaughter house"
0 likesHe actin like he payed a fuckin hitman to kill a cow to sell its organs on the black market.
Btw, just because a human can survive of off straight vegetables and non dairy doesn't mean we should. Cool, you can stay healthy, but the human body is literally built to eat meat. I don't judge and I don't wanna start an argument, cause each to his own. But if someone likes meat let them get it....pause
And I think that most farms try to kill the animal as quick and least painful as possible. The throat is slit after they are dead. There may be some farms and slaughter houses that do mistreat animals but not everyone, we live on Earth. Not everything is moral.
Side note: Humans have been hunting and gathering since before we found out how to make fire.
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So it's okay to pay for a cow to be killed for your own plate but not for "the black market"? (whatever that means)
0 likes@Heekamalo Kilo not what I meant, like i said, i don't want to argue. But its not like people go out of their way to killing a cow. We pay for food and things we like. Its not like I'm there pulling the trigger or seeing what's behind every curtain of a farm or slaughter house. I like what I like. But like I said, humans have been evolved to eat meat since thousands of years. Each to his own but I like meat. We have been hunting since before we discovered fire.
0 likesEdit: IDK if it sounds bias, but my brother is a vegan along with his gf so i consulted with them on why they turned vegans. And I think I'm pretty educated on vegan topics.
@FJP I didn't see the "Read more" on your original comment so I apologise for that. You're saying that people don't "go out their way to kill a cow", but isn't that basically what happens? If you continuously buy a product, you're saying "I like this. I want more please". It's supply and demand, so people buying beef are paying for cows to be killed. You're not killing them yourself but it's being done on your behalf because you keep buying the product. Also, just because we CAN eat meat (because of evolution) doesn't mean we have to. It's interesting to have this discussion with someone who is educated on vegan topics. What was your brother's reasoning for going vegan? (if you don't mind me asking)
1 like@Heekamalo Kilo So to answer your last question, my brother turned vegan for mostly health purposes, so he just cut out junk food at the beggining then he turned fully vegan once he saw the health benefits. But I do know his girlfriend turned because she did some research about the cruelty that happens in some slaughterhouses. Because there are some who mistreat animals. But I see your point on how you see the supply and demand effect of us buying products. I never went as far as going vegan because I love dairy 😂 but I tried going vegetarian and it's not bad. But I should say as a Latin Hispanic I had so many different meals growing up as I'm sure a lot of other ethnicities have as well that contains meat or animal products. I'm sure that if you ate vegetarian or vegan since being a child it would show you different aspects and you wouldn't like meat as much if you were older. But children benefit a lot from protein as they are growing up so I see why most parent don't. So where I'm going with this is that every person that ate meat growing up is not thinking about where the meat is coming from. It's like, "oh my mom used to cook this for me", or "oh my grandma showed me a recipe for this." So it's stapled into our brain like common sense. I do believe that if most people really saw what SOME of the slaughter houses are doing some would turn vegan or vegetarian, that's why I turned vegetarian in the first place. But for others it would just be another tragedy that doesn't affect them so they don't care. Another point is like for example, market fishing. It's terrible. People overfish because the demand for it is so high. It hurts the oceans and enviroments. But people could go out and catch their own fish. But that isn't practical for them, they might have jobs, or just don't want to. Or we could hunt like we used to thousands of years ago. But that is not practical. I would say that seeing it from your point of view makes sense. I buy meat so another that sees me buy meat is going to keep gathering it for me for them to sell it and make money. It's a cycle that I think will never be boken because it is a staple in every single country. Most supermarkets and companies just care about making money. If they are not hurting humans they do not care. But meat is a staple in like 70% (fact check me if you want because I really don't know what % of the population is vegan or vegetarian) of the world's diet.
1 likeEdit: Forgot to mention that a lot of people love the flavor that different meats have, the textures that differences between different animals that are raised differently. The quality between countries etc
@FJP Thank you for taking the time to write this. I'm glad that we're on the same page on some things e.g. the supply and demand of animal products, and everyone hunting for their own meat not being practical. Regarding your brother, it sounds like he just consumes a plant-based diet and is not technically a "vegan". Veganism isn't just about your food (and it's not about health), it's about trying to reduce your contribution to animal suffering, which usually starts with food but extends to clothing, entertainment etc. What he's doing is still good for the animals though, even though that may not have been his intention. His girlfriend does sound like a vegan since her reasoning had to do with animal liberation.
0 likesYou said that you've tried going vegetarian, which is great. Are you still a vegetarian or did you face any issues?
I agree that if most people saw enough slaughterhouse footage, they would reduce their animal product consumption, which is why many activists show footage to the public. Also, I agree that a vegan-since-birth would probably find it easier to stick to eating plant-based, but let's not forget that most vegans today were not born vegan. They've changed their habits and stuck at it even though it's not in line with their culture; they've realised that the lives of animals are more important than a cultural practice and their taste buds.
Large companies unfortunately do only care about money, which is why vegans vote with their wallet. We opt for the plant-based option over the animal product. This has lead to a drastic increase in the number of vegan options available in big-chain supermarkets and restaurants over only a few years. Veganism is growing and every person makes a difference. Currently, the consumption of meat is growing (due to the growing population) but the consumption rate would be even higher if there were no vegans/vegetarians, so every little helps.
It is interesting to discuss why someone else might not go vegan, but in activism (which is what I'm attempting to do here) it's more useful to discuss what's stopping YOU personally from going vegan. You've stated that you love dairy, Is this the only reason? Thank you for your engagement.
@Heekamalo Kilo @Heekamalo Kilo Yea no problem but most of my reason from not going full vegan is that I love the different flavors, btw I cook most of my meals, and benefits it has towards your body if you work out after consuming them. Not because of calorie gain just because all of the intake will help the build of muscle in your body. As you might've heard the human body builds muscle while sleeping cause that's when all the calories you intook and got rid of while working out start building the muscle. Although I am by no means a physician or anything of the sorts just a guy working out. But let me get something straight. I am not really eating meat like beef, pork, or chicken everyday. I am mostly eating fish because that is what my trainer asked me to have in my diet. I would not say I'm a full pescatarian but i do not consume red meat on a regular basis anymore. I would say the reason I am not vegan or vegetarian is because I am one of those people who cannot live without something like it, in a sense that I cook a lot, some being vegan, vegetarian, or neither. I just have a preference of what I want to eat. I am not blind towards the things that happen in some slaughter houses but I just feel like beef and fish along with chicken, have a lot of benefits towards the body and I don't think I will ever go more than 4 weeks without eating them. (I only said those 3 because pork has close to nothing nutritional value.) I do love talking about these topics since it lets me see both sides. I do not like vegan extremeists who go out of their way to dump buckets of blood in a KFC restaurant and play videos of mistreated animals. That does not seem logical to me althought I understand the showing of the bad slaughterhouses. But I do see people like you have logical conversations with people on why you should turn vegan. But like I said before, I am not a vegan or vegetarian because meat is simply just a part of my diet and preferences when it comes to food. Like I know you might not like every vegetable or different meat substitutes I do not like every meat or every fish or every way something is cooked. I have tried to stop going straight for the meat section and I currently do not have any animal product in my fridge at this moment. And to add to my 1st reply, my brother 1st turned vegan because of health benefits but he STAYED vegan because of the cruelty. If you have any more questions I'll be happy to share.
0 likescame for the memes , but stayed for the expected mature debate lmfao
0 likes1:51 “Am I Gay” 😂
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0 likesidk why but when you hugged that old lady that made me happy asf 💀
1 likeOk maybe I’m weird, but I work at a locker and I love killing stuff😂no PTSD
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"I love killing stuff" Is this your criminal origin story?
0 likesI was watching this dude when he has 50k subs, glad to see he made it
0 likesWow vegans think we butcher animals through shooting them
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Shooting animals is common practice in slaughterhouses. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_slaughter
0 likesI'll eat meat the way I do cuz im a broke shit and i cant afford the vegetables I actually like eating while I can get a a chicken for like 2 dollars per pound and it fills me
0 likesWhat’s the song you play at the end of the video ? Shit slaps!!
0 likeshe's jus mad because he doesn't have the n word pass
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I wonder if he's in the ocean and a shark sees him if he thinks the shark would turn vegan?
0 likes@Core Da2 I don't know why some people think that vegans have some magical ability to communicate with sharks/lions etc. Those animals don't have the same agency as humans and they can't eat plants anyway. Vegans aren't trying to convert wild carnivores.
0 likes@Heekamalo Kilo idk who thinks that anyone can speak to animals and I'm just saying that as much as they're trying to prevent animals from being killed and eaten an animal would not do the samething
0 likes@Core Da2 They wouldn't. But that's not an argument against veganism, right?
0 likes@Heekamalo Kilo nope just wondering
1 likeVegans do know when they eat their grass and green shit,they’re taking away the cows main food source,dooming them to die of starvation
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Yeah because vegans love going over to farms and eating the cows' grass don't they?
1 like@Heekamalo Kilo if that’s what you wanna take away from this comment,sure ig
0 likes@Aj I didn't find it funny so I decided to respond with sarcasm. Maybe I can't take a joke but responding to silly comments about veganism can get really frustrating.
0 likeswe grow enough food to feed 10 billion humans yet 1 billion people are starving. more than 80 billion land animals are fed food that could be grown for humans so that people can eat meat.
0 likesPissy little vegans
0 likesThere's a camera there, there's a camera there....literally on a zoom call. lol
1 likesaw this live shit was funny
0 likesthat whole debate was better than the trump and biden debate
1 likeyou dont shoot animals in the head you go for the heart bc its a faster way to kill them
0 likesunless its a snake
plus god made the animals to eat
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I've never heard of this heart-shooting method. It sounds painful. At least if you go for the head, then the animal loses consciousness right away.
0 likes@Heekamalo Kilo the heart has a instant kill
0 likesif you hit it perfect
@Payton Parrish Really? In your original comment you said "you don't shoot animals in the head you go for the heart", but I can't find any reference to this killing method here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_slaughter
0 likesJIDION WHEN ARE U GOING TO RESTOCK YOUR MERCH I WANNA BUY ONE HOMIE
0 likesJIDION WHEN ARE U GOING TO RESTOCK YOUR MERCH I WANNA BUY ONE HOMIE
0 likes"Veganism is about saving animals" 😂😂😂😂 most of the farmers that farm your bullshit food are out there killing anything that moves in their crops 😂🤷 your not saving anything at all
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What about cows, chickens etc? Vegans refuse to contribute towards their suffering. Also, more plants are grown to feed livestock than for human consumption. This means that omnivores are causing more "farming pest deaths" than vegans. Besides, organic is the way to go.
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0 likesDababy😭😭
0 likesJidion was fuckin wit him half the fucking talk and he didnt know lmao
0 likesThat vegan Really acting like being Vegan is a mf race. LIKE WE AINT IN DRAGONBALL Z,, 😂
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he just believes that animals don't deserve to be exploited and killed for a sandwich.
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0 likesI love when he yells to go get the bacon as the dude is talking about dont kill animals 😂😂
0 likesnext video idea! (go to peoples houses *mostly women OR GUYS 2021 so some ppl don’t get offended but anyways..go to ppls house asking them to prom)
1 likeY’know this David guy wasn’t all that wrong.
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yeah and earthling ed's content is on point too
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0 likesThe Bible doesn’t justify slavery by the way that guy had no clue what he’s talking about. Context is everything
2 likesughhhh british people im ashamed
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why? he was calm and rational.
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0 likesWassup man
0 likesThe thing is the dude isn't wrong... everything he is saying is true and I wouldn't consider him a Vegan Extremist... because those people are fricking nuts (take ''That Vegan Teacher'' for example)
1 likeI agree that the meat industry is super cruel and horrible, I love animals, and believe that industry should change, but on the other hand, I also believe that every person on this planet requires different diets depending on where they are from and their DNA, so some people can live on a plant based diet and be healthy... whilst others need meat.
Let me elaborate why I think this: throughout history, the human race has had different diets in different parts of the planet, the egyptians for example ate mainly plants/nuts/fish, but cavemen ate mainly meat... and after hundreds of thousands of years this changes humans DNA... so some people from herbivore ancestors can live healthy on plants, etc whilst people from carnivore ancestors require meat to be healthy.
I LOVE ANIMALS, I have many, including farm animals, and they all have their own personalities, which made me want to quit meat. So, I tried going on a plant based diet and felt very tired all the time and got to the point where I would pass out, I thought maybe I needed to find protein replacements like tofu etc but nothing worked.
The meat industry needs to change, but if the animal has had a good life then I feel its okay if he is eaten by people who require meat.
I feel like blood types have a lot to do with this: 0 blood types tend to crave meat, whilst A blood types tend to crave salads, there are many studies in that regard. (I am 0 blood type)
anyways this is just some random dudes opinion on the internet lmao
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What did your doctor say when you weren't feeling well on a plant-based diet?
0 likes@Heekamalo Kilo I didn't go to a doctor, went to a nutritionist
0 likes@EnglishSkills Oh right. What did they say? Were you deficient in any nutrients?
0 likesdoes the bible actually justify slavery?
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no lol, these types of people like to cherry pick things when in actuality it commands the death penalty for killing a slave and such lol
0 likesyes lol, people love to cherry pick the good parts from their ancient holy books.
0 likes@I love Sustainable Energy interesting take, its wrong though.
0 likesThe zoom call gonna sound funny asl
0 likesJidion is really smart
0 likesW IN THE CHAT 3Head
0 likesbro the animals wouldn’t have been alive in the first place if they weren’t bred for food so why does this guy care😂😂😂
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Because bringing them into existence only to abuse them is cruel.
0 likes@Heekamalo Kilo we got a vegan out here
0 likes@gmail account Hi. Do you understand my point though? You didn't know why the vegan cared. I explained.
0 likes@Heekamalo Kilo ok vegan
0 likes@gmail account Is that all you can say? 😂 My work here is done.
0 likes@Heekamalo Kilo go eat some meat it’s good
0 likesi would rather not be born than be killed just to be in someone's sandwich
0 likes7:24 that man needs to get his facts straight the bible does NOT justify slavery
0 likesthe bible does not justify slavery, slavery was happening and god set parameters for the times because the society was going to do it any way
0 likesYou buy already dead meat
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Buying it increases the demand for that product.
0 likeslol would you say the same thing if the animals you ate included dogs?
0 likes@I love Sustainable Energy I don’t gaf about dogs if our primary protein was dog meat I would be munchin sum chihuahuas. Yes I would still think the dog was already dead before I bought it off the shelf.
0 likes@Heekamalo Kilo I alone do not increase or decrease the demand in meat
0 likes@NateGotJokes You know what I'm talking about. I refuse to believe that you don't know how supply and demand works. Animals are killed because people pay for that to happen. They're not "already dead" for no reason. The consumers are responsible. The number of vegans has been increasing rapidly in recent years so you definitely wouldn't be alone.
0 likesI'm not against animals but people be acting like they are gonna stop killing animals no matter how much people become vegetarian or vegan they with never stop killing them
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At least they're not contributing to it. If all vegans + vegetarians went back to eating meat/animal products then the demand for those products would be even higher than it currently is and there wouldn't be the variety of vegan options we see in supermarkets.
0 likesHow dare vegans tare plants from their roots onhumane
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Sarcasm?
0 likes@Heekamalo Kilo are you saying that plants don't have felling scientists found that plants can feel pain happiness and fear
1 like@Wxrrior OG No, they haven't. That's not a scientific fact. Plants don't have a central nervous system/brain.
0 likes@Heekamalo Kilo how dare you say that plants don't have feelings your such a monster
0 likes@Wxrrior OG Oh you're trolling. So many non-vegans can't seem to have a serious discussion about plants for some reason. It's like they know they're wrong so they hide behind "omg you're killing plants tho".
0 likes@Heekamalo Kilo I am an anti-vegan activist because plants are teared slowly from the ground and animals are killed instantly without feeling pain I eat meat and veggies and fruits but I cut quickly cut the veggies and the fruits and you should be ashamed to say that plant rights are non-existed unbelievable
1 like@Wxrrior OG Plants don't have nerves or a brain. Basic biology. You're free to give them the same moral consideration as animals, but I won't waste my time here.
0 likes?? we raise some animals just to eat them lol
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Do we have to do that, though?
0 likes@Heekamalo Kilo why not lol so many people depend on meat
0 likes@bhoumik I bet that most people who watched this video do NOT depend on meat. They have access to a variety of healthy and affordable plant-based foods at their local supermarket.
1 likeMan I love steak, and chicken. I eat it everyday
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privileged meat eater
0 likesYour vids r just 💯🔥💙
0 likesJiDion took a W in this. 👊🏽🔥❤️
0 likesI like watching underrated youtubers
0 likesThe “extremist” seems like a genuine guy tbh
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0 likesDamn this nigga hit 1 million subscribers already???
0 likesNah the animals kinda there to be eaten. It been like that since forever so if everybody was vegan there would be too many animals
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Those animals only exist because we keep breeding them into existence to meet a consumer demand. If the demand goes down, then so will the number of animals. There will not be too many animals.
1 likeBro this shits funny as crack
0 likesI think veganism should advocate about humane condition of farm animals and the most humane way to terminate them because its part of nature look at nature documentaries actual preditors eating their pray alive and some are alive but they're organs are gone that's what veganism should be about not making people not eat what they want and destroying peoples business
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Veganism is about animal liberation. Better treatment of animals before killing is better than poor treatment but why do we have to kill them at all? Why does what wild predators do matter when it comes to human morality? Is a business worth supporting if it involves abuse/unnecessary cruelty?
1 likejidion you got owned man
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for real
0 likeshe should debate earthling ed
0 likesI believe factor farming is immoral and that man should only eat meat killed by their groups in their habitat to eat. Too many people that don’t even have the guts to kill to eat , partake in this honorable diet of the strong that it loses its value especially by which the means that they have obtained such meat (factory farming) that it becomes a toxic source food, all those painful hormones flushing through the body of the animal that has only known pain and suffering it’s whole life leaves the flesh with a bitter taste and that is in all means low quality.. if u ever had a side by side comparison between factory grown or free range meat u without a doubt can taste the difference
0 likesBruh u would've ended his whole mind on being vegan if you just said that the animals are dead and if you don't eat it no one will which means the animals has gone to waste
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Buying an already-dead animal increases the demand for more dead animals though. You're supporting the business.
1 like@Heekamalo Kilo yh if u dont buy it, it's in the bin doe
0 likes@Zanner AU So do you buy everything in a supermarket? You wouldn't want anything to go to waste, right? You have a choice. You don't "have" to buy anything. Is it okay to support any business just because you don't want the products to go to waste? What if the business is killing innocents beings needlessly? I guess it's wrong to boycott any product.
0 likes@Heekamalo Kilo I mean u can buy it all if u want to waste money but the part is to buy one or how much ur gonna eat since either way ur still saving a bit.
0 likes@Zanner AU would you say the same thing about people who don't buy dog meat? i will eat a dead dog's body cos otherwise it's going to waste.
1 like@Zanner AU The point is that you don't HAVE to buy it. You could always buy a plant-based product instead and stop that from going to waste. Again, is it okay to support any business just because you don't want the products to go to waste? What if the business is killing innocents beings needlessly?
0 likesAnimals kill animals to eat. So what makes it different for us to kill animals to eat?
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Those animals don't have the same moral agency as us humans. They also don't have the same access to a variety of plant foods like we do. Also not all of them can digest plants. Luckily, we can.
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0 likeswait yall got the im gay? ad too?
0 likesIn our tradition in Africa we slaughter animals for almost every event kids be watching the throat getting slit and the insides getting pulled out. Its an animal aint nobody getting traumatized
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Yet PTSD in slaughterhouse workers is well documented.
1 likeOkay look. He hasn’t read the Bible. If he read it he would realize it’s for a reason. God gives us free will , until the day of judgement. Slavery was from wickedness not from God. He hasn’t read the Word the Truth and the Life. Jesus Loves you all 🙏🏻
1 likeI love this man content so much😂💯
0 likesIsn’t a bullet to the head the most humane way to kill an animal? Like why is that dude pointing that out lol.
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Because he believes that the animal shouldn't be killed at all.
0 likesBro you are the best, your videos made my day better
0 likesAs a civilized society we don’t actually practice “everyone has a right to believe what ever they want to believe” as this can lead down a dangerous path. So many cruel and violent actions would be justified with this logic. For example, is it ok for an adult to have sex with a child because they believe age is just a number or that some children have old souls? A more accurate statement is “everyone has a right ro believe what they want to believe as long as they aren’t hurting anyone”. When it comes to this topic, TRILLIONS of individuals are being needlessly harmed, mutilated, sexually violated and eventually murdered EACH YEAR. It’s not about it being a belief that makes something right or wrong, it’s about whether or not that belief (and more importantly actions or choices made from that belief) inflict harm or suffering on others. It’s quite clear that there are victims to this “belief”.
1 likeThe animals are gonna kill each other eventually. It’s the food cycle and we happen to be on top. It’s just the luck of the draw.
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Domesticated farm animals aren't really a part of the food chain. They don't live in the wild. We raise them on land protected from predators and we kill them. When vegans rescue farm animals, they don't release them into the wild. They live in sanctuaries.
0 likesAPTTMH 12 tribe Israelites waking up everywhere.
0 likesBro you literally cannot hate JiDion
0 likesYou know what I can’t get through my head jidion has the body of a body guard and like a fuckin man but he acts like a child and is funny asf😭😭 but obviously he isn’t a child when he has to take things serious
0 likesHahahaha
0 likesYall fr got into HISTORY 😂😂😂
0 likesMOOOOO! 🤣
0 likesYo here me out do this for a video. Do sneezing on people prank and you spray something on them to make them think it’s snot that would be funny
0 likesMann this McDonald’s is smackin
0 likesThe bible never promoted or defended slavery 💀💀💀 Theres literally a story from the new testament of Jesus going against slavery
1 likeLMAO BROOO LOVE IT 😂
0 likesYou should go to a barber with a really messed up haircut and ask them to fix it
0 likesJiDon, you say you’re Christian but curse? You’re disobeying God.
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I’m mean no one is perfect it’s hard to stop sinning ngl
0 likesSo he saying u killed an animal but he takes plants away then help us breathe and our animals eat tf😂
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Yeah vegans "take away" plants that didn't exist until they were planted to eat. Do you know one of the leading causes of the Amazon rainforest's destruction? Cattle ranching.
1 likeMy new Favorite YouTuber
0 likesgo to a vegan restaurant and argue that the food isn’t vegan
0 likesW Dabate
0 likesjust found your channel like 30 mins ago and you are officially my new favorite youtuber
0 likesThis guy is uncancellable
0 likesGreat to see ge he hit 1 million subs hopefully he’ll stay consistent and funny
0 likesIs it possible to be against animal abuse if you pay for animals to be abused for your taste preferences?
0 likesIf he thinks humans are violently killing animals for a meal then maybe he should tell a lion to become vegan lol.
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yeah no one is telling lions to go vegan... lions also say hello by sniffing each others asses and will eat another lion's cubs. why would we base our ethics on lions lol ?
0 likesAs an aussie that david dude a miss
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lol he is english
0 likes4:05 BAHAHAHAHA I- 🖐🏽😂
0 likesWell my viewpoint is that there was always a food chain like if animals can kill each other for food y can’t we like it’s the way life works. The food chain is key to natural balance in the world.
0 likeshappy to know you believe!
0 likesLisen bro....if I were a blade of grass would the cow save u......exactly its nature, the food chain it's how it is. And for how they killing it theres no way to kill anything peacefully. A death isa death. Also ur still killing plants to eat and thts a living thing
0 likesJidion lowkey smart as fuck the way he talks in the podcast kinda insane compared to how he usually is
0 likesEverything was fine until vegan starts promoting online
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lol cos it challenges your cognitive dissonance.
0 likesWhat you should have said is the truth... we just don't care about them as much as you, so we will eat meat.
0 likesLiterally the most we can do is find more ethical ways of doing things
Congrats on 1 million !!
1 likeJideon won that argument
0 likesW Jidion
0 likesBoys don’t lie, you seen that ad at 1:50
1 likeEAT THE PIGS!!!!!!
1 likeThe guys comparisons are so wild💀
0 likesDa baby
0 likesDid this guy just bring up PTSD with butchering animals? This guy is delusional
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tbh I would be vegan for slaughterhouse workers alone. They are often poc, come from poor, immigrant backgrounds, get paid terrible wages, go through huge amounts of PTSD, suffer anxiety/depression and experience the highest rates of workplace death and injury than any other job or industry.
0 likesVegans give me bestiality take vibes
0 likesVegans kills animals as well , y’all are taking their food , so why not just eat meat 🤣🤣
0 likes6:51 imagine being agonotstic smh
0 likesYou should’ve host a cookout and then he joins and sees everyone eating meat💀
0 likesMeat is just too good.
0 likesLeftist at its finest lol
0 likestake a shot every time this mans says “slits their throats”
0 likesI loved and respected you so much but especially during this video it just grew more and it was very awesome to watch you both make good points and talk it out
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Scoot honestly bruh I don’t feel like listening to you but Jesus is king and he is awesome
0 likesScoot I didn’t feel like reading not listening that seemed rude
0 likesScoot yeah
0 likesWhy are black people so generic?
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You haven't seen enough Black people.
0 likesits life thats all i can say
0 likesI hate to make this absolute banger political but we would need to get rid of almost all of our forests to convert to vegan
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you realise we grow enough food to feed over 80 billion land animals yet 1 billion people are starving cos people (mostly in the west) want to eat meat? we have more than enough land to feed 10 billion people on a plant based diet
0 likesWhat’s this intro song
0 likesAt the end of the day it’s all respect
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respectfully, we can respect animals desire to live and not be killed just for a sandwich
0 likesIf u do think about it we all monsters in a way u feel me it is kinda fucked up people are eating animals that did get killed for no reason I wanna be vegan but ya know all that meat is good (pause) but you can just be sitting there eating a burger then pops in ya head I’m eating a animal that got killed for no reason no harm done to u no nothing but u gotta think about at the end of the day it’s kinda sad and fucked up
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you should check out earthling ed's channel
0 likesI’m eating a double cheeseburger and watching this
0 likesAlcohol is a slit in the throat and shot in the head both of those are total lies
0 likesYou should do another videocall with him and start dropping random packets of meat products throughout the chat. Jidion really got me binge watching all the vids
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No that’s dumb
0 likesbruh jidion is so funny bro 💀💀💀💀
0 likesGo to a feminist meeting and play future
0 likesDA BABY DA BABY DA BABY🥶🥶🥶🥶💯💯🔥
0 likesGo to a BLM rally, and be repping “ALL LIVES MATTER”
0 likesThis man is just a menace to society
0 likesSomeone is in serious need of something called morality, and a life.
1 likewatching your videos stress me out in a good way😭
0 likesIn the Bible it says you can kill animals for food but if your just killing them for fun and not eating them then it's wrong
0 likesStay strong jdion
0 likesHe is only mad because he's black✊🏾
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Are you accusing the vegan of being racist?
0 likes@Heekamalo Kilo it was a joke calm down 🤣🤣
0 likesHow you pay to have the animal killed if it was already killed before your ass woke up the day before you went to buy it? These soft feeling people stay stretching😭😭
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People wouldn't waste time farming animals if people aren't paying for it. Learn capitalism
2 likesit's called supply and demand
0 likesNo lie tho I get your on a yt grind but fr fr that was disrespectful niqqa lmao I eat meat too but u doing too much 😭😭😂
1 likeAnimals are _ in the _ and have their _ slit
0 likesJiDion, I love your videos and you are the best YouTuber and have made me who I am, I want to be a YouTuber just like you, but can’t because I don’t have the money. if you see this can u reply to this. Love you bro
0 likesimagine being vegan i can never Lmao
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Why not?
0 likesbro God put animals on this planet to eat and our bodies need certain proteins from meat, sooooooooooo!!!!!!!
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no our bodies dont need certain proteins from meat, if that was true vegans would just die, instead they live the longest on average
2 likeslol all protein comes from plants baby
1 likeI just wanna say that animals don’t get killed like that. They don’t get shot in the head
0 likesDon't shoot the animal it's messes with the meat
0 likesThat prank music got me dead 😂
0 likeshe makes me cry of laughter when mid sentence in a serious conversation asking someone to go get bacon i sounded and felt like my grandma on life support😂😂
0 likesAm I the only person who felt the intense tension and awkwardness?
2 likesWhat’s the name of the outro song lol I’m tryna download it.
0 likesanimals eat other animals...we are animals. we eat animals
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Some animals dont eat other animals, we can be like those animals. Humans have a choice, do you have empathy for animals or not. And if you do have empathy are you in control of yourself or not?
1 like@Kahler Nygard but some animals eat animals, and we are one of them, if i want to eat animals i can do so right? ok
1 like@Turbo We don't HAVE to eat animals though. We have other options available, which wild animals don't.
1 like@Heekamalo Kilo we also have digestive systems designed by evolution for fruit. Meat was and is a survival adaptation in apes for starvation and droughts, it comes with huge risks of disease and is why the people who regularly eat it die young
0 likes@Heekamalo Kilo im saying whats wrong with us eating other animals when its natural in the cycle of life.
1 like@Turbo Things like rape and infanticide are natural too, but humans realised that those acts involve a victim and we started condemning them. Just because something is found in nature doesn't mean humans should be okay with it. Nature can be incredibly cruel; humans don't have to be.
0 likes@Heekamalo Kilo u just said those 2 things are natural. ok good convo pls dont reply
0 likes@Turbo They're natural i.e. they occur in nature. That's all.
0 likesYeah like I’m not understanding why vegans try so hard to change people like Nigga damn let me live my life
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Because you are killing others, I dont care if you are gay have ten wives or do heroin, just dont kill animals for "taste".
1 likeAyo
1 likeI thought a liberal thing like a vegan restaurant would be more tolerant of different beliefs
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Being tolerant of wrong doing is not enlightenment , its is cowardice. You thought wrong because you are ignorant of the philosophy
2 likesI’m against the brutal killing of animals like beating them or cutting them up but, I’m not against a quick painless death. Personally I love meat too much to not eat it but, vegan food is pretty good too. Animals were put on earth as a source of food so imma eat um regardless cause if I don’t eat them then they died for nothing
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"if I don't eat them then they died for nothing" By buying meat, you are increasing the demand so they're dying BECAUSE of you. You're against brutality against animals so you think that animals are worthy of moral consideration. Why do you draw the line at your taste buds? Is taste pleasure more important than an animal's life?
0 likes@Heekamalo Kilo god put them on the earth as a source of food so imma use um in that way. Imma still respect um but, they just taste to good dawg🤤
0 likes@John Nakamura How do you respectfully kill a creature who doesn't want to die? Does God say that you HAVE to consume animal products?
0 likesJidion the next Ben Shapiro
0 likesI’ve been vegan for 4 years and I still think this suuuuper funny
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you should check out earthling ed's channel
0 likeshow he finna tell jidion about the bible as if he read it he aint even a christian 💀
1 likeyou cant cancel JiDion he's black and he's with BLM if you try to cancel him you're a racist
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you can support blm and also support animal rights
0 likesBruh they are so good mooo goes the cow I love cows 💯💯
0 likesDababy
0 likesWho is tyrone
1 likeThe Nelk Boys theme hahahaha
0 likes"The Bible justifies slavery" OK you can stop talking now because you clearly haven't read the Bible.
1 likeWhat’s on ur window?
0 likesThe thing is, the animal is already DEAD
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Because someone paid for that to happen. By buying "already-dead" animals you are increasing the demand for that product.
1 likeThat Dababy video at the end of the video 😂 should be a thing for every video now on
0 likesAnimals and humans do not have the same dna, all this nonsense about saving animals it’s a kill or be killed world these animals would kill you if they had the chance. All of the vegans out there. What you gonna tell them I’m vegan I don’t kill you. You think an animal would care if they are hungry they’ll kill you. Simple it’s just a way of life. Forcing a way of life on anyone isn’t right. Whether it’s being vegan or being a meat eater let people live.
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Not worried about being ate by a cow, and I have a gun so no animal is gonna eat me. And animals dont have a conscious like humans do. We have more responsibility.
1 like@Kahler Nygard it’s not just cows people eat all kinds of animals and they kill all kinds of animals too. You should kill what you need to eat if you have to survive. Animals that are killed are eaten they aren’t killed and left on the side of the road. Also animals aren’t expecting us to be more responsible. If roles were reversed animals would not be hesitant to take your life. And you sound silly you preaching save animals lives then just said you’d shoot one of It tried to kill you. Lol backwards in your logic. Another thing your not worried about a cow killing you but they can very well kill you by just kicking you. Cause serious damage. Also bulls are hella aggressive. They will kill a human np. It happens often.
0 likes@Mark Knowles how is self defense backwards logic. It's called the non aggression principle. I have my own life philosophy that's a mesh between veganism and libertarianism. Anyways the idea is if something isn't harming you leave it alone, but if an alligator attacks me ill retreat if possible and if not I'll defend myself, firing warning shot and if needed kill it . the difference between me killing would be its out of self defense, the reason you kill animals is for "taste". And guess what I haven't needed to kill an animal in 10 years of being vegan.
0 likes@Mark Knowles btw how do you have zero subscribers after 10 years on YouTube lol 😆
0 likes@Kahler Nygard people aren’t killing animals for taste only it’s for survival for a lot of them. Vegan diet is a luxury that just started maybe in the last century. It didn’t really get mainstream until about 2010. You watch the show naked an afraid? Vegans go on there. Most vegans that go on there want to go to prove that they can survive 21 days without eating any meat. It’s possible but It makes your journey 10 times harder. Second the most that do go tap after about 9 days. Third The few that do survive on vegan diets struggle a lot more the entire time. Their bodies don’t get a lot of protein in those situations. And fourth a decent amount of vegans even decide to start eating meat in those life or death situations. I feel like a lot vegans are vegan because of the luxury that society provides with all the minder technology making vegan options a lot easier to obtain and maintain. If the economy didn’t make vegan diet so easily obtainable alot of them would just go back to eating meat. Especially in a state of survival or death. A lot of people that are vegan don’t even have the plant knowledge to survive in the wild and know what to eat and what not to. They’d probably end up eating a poisonous plant and end up getting sick and dying. Anyway regardless of my opinions I am just saying overall, vegans shouldn’t be trying to convert meat eaters or trying to make them feel bad for being meat eaters lmao. That’s often what they do. I think people should just let people live and leave them alone. Lol you wanna eat plants and grass do that. If they wanna eat cows and meat do that.
0 likes@Mark Knowles dude people have been vegetarian and vegan since ancient Greek, ancient india go read a book. Eating meat in western civilization is a choice, not a need.
1 like@Kahler Nygard I said that It just got popular very recently. I read books. And very big fan of history. Americans just caught on heavily. Vegan restaurant weren’t really a thing back in 2000s the number of restaurants has just tripled since then.
0 likes@Kahler Nygard this ain’t my channel brah my channel is DaBruvvers TV I have about 200 after a couple months. But anyway this is a gmail account then when google bought gmail It became my YouTube channel over 10 years ago. So I don’t have a single video up on this channel why would I have any subs. Go check my actual channel if your so worried about subscribers. Like that has anything to do with what we were talking about kid.
0 likes@Kahler Nygard also you have 1.1k and you’ve been on here for 7 years. That’s not good lmao. Since your mentioning subs lol tf
0 likesxD
0 likesTf is a feminist restaurant?
0 likesW btw Plants and fruit are living animals if we wanna get technical and scientists have LEGIT proved that lettuce has feeling nerves and pain receptors so when you eat lettuce it’s alive and feels everything vegans are dumb
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Plants are living, but they don't have nerves. That's simple biology.
0 likesHey bro, i’m vegan and I thought that shit was funny. Don’t let this guy give you the wrong idea, some vegans aren’t so serious. Probably because i do it for the health benefits. If you are interested in eating vegan, i can show you way better things to eat than beyond/impossible burgers haha. I’ll send you a message on IG (@Mitchell_gainz)
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you should check out earthling ed's channel
0 likesi remember seeing his channel about 2 years i really wish i subbed back then
2 likesEASILY best JIDION vid yet!!!!
0 likesI want more rapping vids
0 likesMY BOI JIDION NEVER FAILSsSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS PLZ NEVER CHANGE!!!!
0 likesTurn up volume max and skip to 2:36. Pain
1 likeMan this vegan argument is dumb af... Don't nobody wanna hear that shit lol
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It changed my life, when you become someone let me know, you 4 subscribers meat eater. me 1120 vegan. You the nobody bro rofl. I'd check yourself before throwing out insults like you just did
1 likeGuys i think animals are shot in the head and have their throat slit
0 likeswhen does he ever miss?
0 likesJiDion bro i gained so much respect for you after this
1 likeHe salty
0 likesLuv your vids jidion aka baby 🐐
1 likeBanger
0 likesThe human race is literally dying and they care about the cows eating grass
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Are referring to climate change? Plant-based diets tend to have lower carbon footprints than omnivorous ones.
0 likesHe’s not a menace ,he’s a troll😂🤣
1 likeNo lie the savagery finally got me to budge and subscribe
0 likesMenace 💀
0 likeswent to go follow on ig not even 24 hours after it was uploaded and he at 107k lmaoo
0 likesYou need to do an "everything for free" part3
0 likesHomiesexuals love sausage 🌭
0 likesi've slit a lambs throat
0 likesThat boy is wildin
0 likesHappy 1,000,000 🎉🎉🎉
1 likeWow jidion was actually serious for like 10 seconds there when he was talking about viewpoints im shocked
0 likes1:50 JiDion is a lil more than homiesexual
1 likeBruhhhh 😂
0 likesYo what's your entrance music it's fire on God😤😤🔥🔥😈
0 likesMan I just ate a cheeseburger mmmm tasty meat
0 likesThis vid made me not be vegan anymore
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yeah that makes sense
0 likesLove how vegan activists storm McDonalds and threaten people going into butchers but if someone tries to add meat to something from a vegan restaurant they cry to the internet.
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I'd bust skulls if someone did that in my house and y'all would cry on the internet about how mean and aggressive vegans are.
1 like@Kahler Nygard Well yeah someone who tries to stop the mistreatment of animals, going mistreating humans, kinda hypocritical if you ask me. Kinda like the pied piper not being a musician, just hum a tune and the rats follow, they step out of line, you step on them. Also good thing the vegans in this video do not come to your house https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJWQg7QzsBc you might have to bust their skulls. JiDion 'ruined' those vegan businesses, well you tell me who was better behaved in someone's place of business.
1 like@Crimson Shadows factory farmes animals have it way worse than humans z humans are the ones torturing the animals. Wake the fuck up. And maybe get some subscribers at some point
0 likesMans took BLM off his bio
0 likesThe Nelk prank music tho😂
0 likesRespect for jdion for being Christian
1 likeim so excited to laugh today omg
0 likesW jidion
0 likesYou have to kill off some animals or else they will get overpopulated and die of hunger. More animals would die if we went vegan than if we eat animals.
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False, when can nueter animals and control populations that way without killing.
1 likeThis nigga a menace
0 likesAnswer my dm😤
0 likesBuT PlAnTs HaVe FeElInGs ToO
2 likesbruh why he complaining abt the animals, literally thats how u live life back in the days
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It's 2021, black people weren't considered equal to whites back then, and you are arguing like it was some golden era of perfection
0 likesThumbs up for Jesus 👍❤️
0 likesLeave it to the vegan community 😂
1 likeJiDion was 100% correct and had a point with everything that was said 👏. Corrupted, bored humans try to make everything look wrong and evil. It's called a food chain for a reason. I'm sure an alligator or shark or whatever wouldn't think twice about eating a human. It's the way God created this world. Makes sense that every vegan I've seen is atheists, feminine or gay..
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Alligators and sharks don’t have moral agency, they don’t know right from wrong. Wild animals do a lot of things that we consider immoral, they kill and rape each other. We, as humans, have moral agency, and so we know that it’s wrong to rape and kill each other even though wild animals do it to each other all of the time. It’s the same thing with eating animal products. It’s not moral just because alligators and sharks do it.
1 likeDid you compare your iq to an alligator and use nature to justify a choice that’s you can make?
0 likes@j Himington jidion fanbase is full of 85 iq losers lol 😆 making him rich 🤑
0 likes@j Himington Do you know how to write a proper sentence?
0 likes@Kahler Nygard You're probably a hurt vegan.
0 likes@Next Level Up lol 10 subscribers, less than 1000 views in 6 years. Dude I feel bad for you
0 likes@Kahler Nygard UK you desperate when you bringing up subscribers to this conversation and to someone that isn't even a Youtuber haha. Go eat your lettuce.
0 likes@Next Level Up lol whatever "nobody"
0 likesU guys better get him to 200k followers
0 likesHim hugging the old women was so funny to me for no reason 💀💀
0 likesCommenting for the algorithm I love you Demarcus cousin
0 likesfire
0 likesw debate
1 likeDejieon I love you prenks my brus brus show you to me, your are fanny
1 likeI will sub to u verys soon all I wanted is you to comment to me plez FAM
Vegetarians need to realize animals are a danger to us and eat EACH OTHER as well I need my sustenance to live I want to enjoy meat you enjoy plants (which are proven to be living but whatever)
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Just because other animals are a danger wouldn't make it cool to beat my harmless dog or slicing my dogs throat open. "And eat each other as well" animals rape eachother is well, is it ok to rape my dog because other dog would? I just think the people who aren't animal abusers are moral superior. Plants are alive but can't feel pain, there not sentient. 1 month old fetus or a brain dead person both are alive but there not sentient, they can't feel pain. But that doesn't even matter cuz a vegan diet consumes less plants
1 like@Brian McBrian exactly, plant pain is no different than cutting hair, no nervous system and nerves no pain.
0 likesBruh 1.1 mil already, shit goes fast. Ur the best and not so underrated as before!
2 likesJidion handle this like a champ
0 likesThe animals going to die either way so it doesn't matter if you're vegan or not
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"I artificially empregnated a dog waited until the 10 puppies where born then killed them all for fun, but thats ok because the puppies were gonna die eventually anyway"
0 likes@Brian McBrian exactly
0 likesGod damn jidion.. I'm a Muslim fan of yours & i really like ur content and ur shit.. the fact that u know about Quran and bible perspective on the animals life is soo dope of u.. u got a big mind behind that comedian character of yours.. keep it up my bro❤️❤️❤️
0 likes“Get some meat back into your life”🤣🤣😂
0 likesno homo
1 likeman i love this guy
1 likeU should do fake mlb scouts next bro
1 likeI ate a portillos cheese burger during this
0 likesAnimals don’t get shot in the head for food because we need that part to feast on too
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Ya idk where the shot in the head part is from lol
0 likesGood conversation.... you do have to let him talk though..... because it'd have been easy to see how his viewpoint would falter if you let him explain why he thinks that killing animals for food was objectively morally reprehensible:
1 likeThe key was when vegan guy said: "you have to think, the bible was written thousands of years ago and back then (sacrificing animals would be reasonable)"
But if not killing animals for food for morality's sake is the correct moral stance simply because of the current time period, then that isn't an objective moral stance but conditional & "modernized" stance--vegan guy doesn't even argue for veganism in an objective sense
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Look up the definition of veganism. It's about doing it as far as practicable and possible.
0 likesYou didn’t make him say fuck Tyrone?
0 likesits food🤔🤔🤔
0 likesDaddy j
0 likesAye JiDion with that cooker you close the top while cooking so it cooks better
0 likesLet’s eat some meat to this video
0 likesLol ptsd from cutting up animals. Let’s skin some fish guys
0 likesThis chicken sandwich is good bruh
0 likesyo jidion idk if the bible supports the rawdog theme and ik im not suppose to judge but i’m just saying
0 likesguys i think animals are getting shot in the head and slit in the throat
0 likesNah you cooking meat is really bad for their business and customers seeing as vegans are really passionate but I personally don’t care fr
1 likeMeat be bussin bussin
0 likesVEGAN DUDE WAS 100% right!
2 likesJiDion Bruvv this time but only this time you got shooled and should think about what he actually said!!
-LOVE
My boy jidion went in on a serious note 🔥🔥🔥
1 likeI love you mane
0 likesYESSSIIRR
0 likesdo part 2
0 likesI side with the vegan lol
1 likeThey tryna save the animals by eating their food 👍🏿🤓
0 likesyup, the religion stand point, God literally out animals on the earth for humans, (we are also made in his creation, so) to eat and enjoy. 🥓
0 likesDo people realize that animals where created for us to enjoy, some people are really stupid
0 likesIf you like David in this video, then go subscribe to his channel! He also makes a lot of funny content, comedy skits, takedowns and commentary.
1 likeThe vegan guy is right.. if we didn’t pay for meat animals wouldn’t be slaughtered it’s simple math
1 likeThe problem: POPULATION!
0 likesToo many humans! We do indeed more quantities of Food! What’s the easiest way? Have these cows fuck and boom feeds millions-billions.
I never heard or agnostic in my life .
0 likesbro u destroyed him lmaoooooo😭😭😭😭💯🔥🔥🔥
0 likes😂😂😂😭
0 likesThat da baby at the end😭😭😭
0 likesI'm kinda hungry imma go eat some chicken brb
0 likesYo this is great content
0 likesReligion argument made no sense. Lambs were sacrificed for the sins of the people. Not a dinner.
1 likeit’s the food chain bruh get over it
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I actually kill and eat newborn puppies but thats just part of the food chain
0 likesGood to see it broo keep making bangers
0 likesyesssssssssss
0 likesyou bout to make him a different kind of extremist
0 likesBut the only thing he Said is ,,they get shot in the head and get their Throat slit,, like 50 times
0 likesI rawdog ur nan
0 likes"DaBaby" , yall see the last second of the past 2 videos? 🤣🤣🤣
0 likesTru
0 likesFr bro keep uploading ur vids funny asf😂🤘🏾🤘🏾
0 likesJidion coming different 🐐
0 likesSo no ones gonna talk about how he randomly hugged a random old lady?
0 likesThé kinda dude that gets cheated on lol
0 likes“By my bible i have to kill a lamb”💀🤣
1 likeYou NEED❗️❗️ to cool vegan meat in a vegan restaurant to prank the workers 😎😎😂😂
0 likesFUCK THAT EAT MEAT
0 likesWIDIONNNN
1 likeyeah prolly
0 likesLol so #evill o and by the way i am eat little caesars lol
0 likesLet's cancel Tigers and Lions
0 likeswatching this while eating a nice steak
1 like1milllllll eyeyeyeyeyayayayyayay
0 likesYou see the K9ines in our mouths? We got 4 of them for a reason… WE ARE NATURAL PREDATORS. “Slaughtering innocent animals” if they were wild another animal would surely slaughter them too. Vegans just dont make sense dawg🤣
1 likeas someone who is plant based, the vegan guy was pretty chill. and made good points. but i still fw you JiDion. and buddhists, sikhs, jains, tao's, are all people of relgion who don't eat animals or work with animal products.
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0 likeswhat are vegans thoughts on labs safely extracting red blood cells from a cow (that can be reproduced swiftly by the cows body itself ) by using petri dishes and other advanced tech and let them grow into muscle tissue which is also known as meat. ( so it isn't a loss on the cow) to be used to make 100% meat without killing the animal? this new science is still under development but still possible in the future. so any vegan person let me know on your view as i think its a step forward
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I think it's good, as a vegan I approve this.
0 likesThe facts are that if we all went "vegan" the animals would be over populated and then they would starve to death. So we are helping them overall.
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No, we breed animals purposefully so that we can slaughter and kill them. If we stopped breeding them for meat, there wouldn’t be so many of them.
0 likesThe world's too fucken soft now a day's
0 likeswwwwwwww
0 likesThat dudes a loser man holy shit
0 likes1:00 You paid money to a farmer to rip that poor carrot out of the ground and be cut up into smaller ones with extra pieces sent to waist. HOW DARE YOU, THESE VEGANS ARE MONSTERS!!!
1 likeFOODCHAIN
0 likesHe’s on a streak… he hasn’t missed a single video
0 likesRespect for the vegan guy. But jidion killed it like always 🔥🔥
0 likesLEGEND
0 likesThis dude @JiDion got me jumpin in a circle laughin my ass offfff😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
0 likesIM VEGAN AND THIS IS
0 likesFUNNY
humans have eaten meat since the beginning of time just saying
0 likesBro I found ur channel a view days ago and u already my favorite YouTuber you funny af 😂😂
0 likesJidion took my mans to CHURCH!
1 likeOh fuck was he from finland
0 likesWe’re literally carnivores and people go vegan lmaao
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*omnivores, which means you can survive only eating meat and/or plants.
0 likesThe bacon🤣🤣🤣
0 likesI'll work animals killer, it's cool job and meat is useful for health
1 likeHaha people suffer from PTSD and depression over a job like that this guys a sucka
0 likesInstead of standing in front of stores that sell burgers and meat thats already killed, vegans should go to the slaughter houses themselves and protest there.
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the only reason slaughterhouses are working is because of the consumers in stores.
0 likesDo you think animals are shot in the head and slit there throats ?
0 likesWhat’s this song called?
0 likesPrevious butcher the guy on the right cappin I don’t got ptsd from that lmao
0 likesMENACE
1 likeThis is exactly why I do not like vegans. I used to be a vegan, but only for health reason. Then I stopped being vegan, because of health reason. My doctor told me to stop. I eat clean meat like the Bible allows us to eat. I never became vegan, because of the animal stuff.
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Then you were never vegan, it's called plant based diet.
0 likes@Satyam Tomar plant based diet means that you can still consume meat. If he didn't consume meat, eggs or dairy he was vegan.
0 likes"Although you may think of plant-based diets as being vegetarian or vegan, they do not have to be plant-only. Such diets do not have to completely exclude animal foods such as meat, poultry, fish, eggs and dairy products, but proportionally more foods are chosen from plant sources."
@Kreed2k here's the definition of veganism:- "Veganism is a philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude—as far as is possible and practicable—all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose; and by extension, promotes the development and use of animal-free alternatives for the benefit of animals, humans and the environment. In dietary terms it denotes the practice of dispensing with all products derived wholly or partly from animals."
0 likesSo as far as I can understand, If the change in lifestyle wasn't done to stop/reduce animal exploitation and creulty, he wasn't vegan.
@Satyam Tomar that's the Vegans Societies definition of veganism. It's not the definition of Veganism.
0 likesI don’t think I would go vegan
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I used to be vegan and would never go back. I did it for health reason and then I was becoming weak and my doctor told me to stop. So I stopped being vegan for health reason. I'm back eating meat, but clean meat that the Bible allows. I do not like vegans especially vegans who crazy. Veganism is like a cult now. I really don't like the ones who do it for the animals, because they are crazy. The ones who became vegan for health reasons only like myself, I'm not against. Even those vegans can't stand the vegans who are vegan because of the animal stuff.
1 likeThis man deserves all the respect in the world
0 likesWe just found a way to hunt animals more conveniently 😈
0 likesSpicy episode
0 likesThey gon csncel caveman for killing animals
0 likesW black person
0 likeslove how he just randomly hugs a old lady at 1:37
1 likeDababy
0 likesjidion owned this weirdo in a debate
0 likesme eating chicken while watching this video
0 likesyes in the quran on celebrations we have a slaughtering and share it with family and the poor
0 likesMe watching eating ham!!!
0 likesJesus is king 🙏
0 likesSmoking that cow pack😈😈
0 likesSaw this live
0 likesThere are laws about commercial businesses that provide food society, and how to kill- also it is very uncommon that you will ever eat anything that was shot in the head unless you shot it. Not logical to say I am a vegan because I don’t like kill
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watch "dominion" on youtube/netflix
0 likesScripture over everything
0 likesI won’t stop eating chick fil a until I die or my 5 guys cheeseburgers
0 likesW
0 likesI think the guy just looked too much into it
0 likesLmao, I don’t eat meat because I love animals, you are a dumb, you don’t save animals by not eating meat🤦🏻♂️ My comment getting flagged because I put the word dumb in here🤦🏻♂️ I would kill people and eat them instead of animals that helps.
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you dont kill animals by not eating meat
0 likesHunting is better than getting your meat from slaughterhouses
1 likeI mean i love animals but like meat is good so srry y'all i aint becoming a vegan
1 likeSick bro
0 likesDude, you can’t even hear that guy and what he is saying over the damn bass
0 likesSmoking that cow pack😮💨
1 like1 mil bro! Shaq defo celebrating with u
0 likesJiDion still nibbling on the burger when he talks 🤣
1 likeWIDION
0 likesPOSTTTTT MOREEEEEEE
0 likesunderrated
0 likesme watching while eating mcnuggets
0 likesYou know it’s kinda sounded like BLM vs ALM
0 likes"Shot in the head and slit their throats" x104893
0 likesWhite man seem cool just gotta stop pushing his beliefs on everyone
0 likesShot on the head and slit their throats is his entire vocabulary
0 likesRest up shaq
0 likes9:45 dababy!!!
0 likesdababy
0 likesThose dislikes are vegans🙄
0 likes#eatmeat
0 likesThat’s cool his sign is a cliterous
0 likesPlz don't stop adding ''Daddy'' lol
2 likesI know the vegan dude thought that when Jidion got on he would be able to clown him😂but he ain’t know Jidion got the smarts too
0 likesThis cow pack smackin bruh
1 likeBig dubs
0 likesUsing religion, culture, traditions, taste/pleasure to justify harming animals is wrong. We are in 2021, animal exploitation doesn't belong in society anymore.
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So why do you pay for technology that contains cholesterol from animal agriculture
0 likesAt the end animals eat and kill eachother…
0 likesOmg this is the best why tf would this vegan guy ruin his life challenging you
0 likesNext time use real meat
0 likesaye jidion hmu idk if u following jesus maan
1 likeW
0 likesEven if everyone was vegan they would still kill animals to put in makeup and cosmetics. He’s just gotta let people eat what they want cause no less animals will be killed.
0 likesAlready liked before watching
1 likeJidion actually stayed more on topic and gave actually better points. The other guy hated on his religion
0 likesLet’s get a counter on how many times he says slit their throats and shot in their head
0 likesBuy AMC
0 likesDababy
1 likeI understand vegans but I just don’t think it really matters. There’s animals out there that eat other animals alive and tear the flesh of their bones. Humans may not be carnivores but we are omnivores so us eating meat is no different from a wolf hunting for sheep. The main difference is that humans are smart enough to have a choice on what they want to eat, key word CHOICE. Vegans can do what ever they want but the world will never change and animals will always be food to humans.
0 likesIf humans are not meant to eat animals, then why do we have canines designed to break down meat?
0 likesThen what abt halal? Bc in Islam halal is a way where they kill animals in a non violent, peaceful, non harmful way. Also giving animals a quick death. And in some religions some animals (cows, pigs, goats etc.) were created for us to eat them.
0 likesTyrone pt.4
0 likesGod put animals on this earth for us to eat
0 likesFeminist restaurant……….nigga what?
0 likesUnfortunately veganism is responsible for many animal deaths as well. They kill tons of animals in order to prepare the land and plant massive amounts of crops. This also displaces animals taking away their homes. They spray toxic stuff all over the land to facilitate this, destroying the soil and killing huge amounts of insects as well (but they don't matter right?). Meanwhile, one cow can feed an entire family for a long time and their manure is great for the soil and ecosystem.
0 likesStop acting like you're above it all if you're vegan because you're living a lie.
Tbh I thought they were going to end up fighting
0 likes1:12-1:16 sounds like sumn I would do
0 likesWe technically have to kill and milk cows if not they will bloat idk if that's the right word.
0 likesVegans aren't human! 😂
0 likesAnti meatlife social club shirt 😂
0 likesYou know plants are also alive and have feelings, like animals, vegans any explanation🤔
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Plants aren't sentients, i.e they don't feel pain. And also Farm animals eat a hell lot of Plants than we all do. So, if we all eat a plant based diet we will end up saving animals & plants ;)
1 like@Soham Kamotra they're also animals who eats other animals smh🤦♂️
0 likes@Soham Kamotra yea, you're totally right, but there dam meat is mad delicious
0 likes@Average Internet User yeah, thats a problem lol. They are tasty 😓
0 likesHope you didn't have to eat too much of that Beyond Garbage.
0 likesDo the walkie talkie on an rc car again but drive it into tyrones store
1 likeI'm sorry I can't eat grass and I get it it's savagery but we are also a meal to lions, crocodiles and sharks
0 likesDamn yo jidion you got some steak I can eat? I’m hungry asf
1 likeThe best follow up video I've could have asked for
0 likesJust wanted to inform you that the Bible states that we should only eat meat during famine, I'm not vegan but yes
1 like“It’s horrible that slaughterhouses shoot animals in the head” well it ain’t just slaughterhouses I’m out there in the woods doing the same thing with my rifle/bow.
1 likeEveryone hit a like if u love steak 🥩
1 like1:07 dang he right me: keeps eating meat 🍖🍗🍖🍗🍖🥓🍗🍖🍗🥓🍗🍖🍗🥓🍗🍖🍗🥓🍗🍖🍗🥓🍗🍖
0 likesPls post more
0 likesNigga said “me not being a Christian doesn’t cause anyone harm”
0 likesCAPPPPPP
YU CAUSIN YOSELF HARM MA NIGGA YU AINT WANNA LIVE ETERNALLY WITH CHRIST?!?!!!
YU AINT WANNA GO TO HEAVEN
Those human like animals do exist and we don’t eat them.
0 likesI dont agree with you on this I believe killing animals is ok if you do it yourself and for food grocery store meat is a terrible thing but I still eat it every day I wish vegan food was as easy and nutritious for you and I would go vegan but it's very hard to go vegan as a 245 pound 6'5 guy like I'd have to eat so many plants to get the protein of a fresh chuck burger from the butchers
0 likesssshhheeeesssshhhhh thatveganteacher is gonna wacth this video lol
0 likesWow this was kinda awkward
1 likei think david ramms is right ok i said it
1 likeCongrats on 1.1 million
0 likesVegan meat is cow shot
0 likesAnimals kill eachother for food so why cant we kill animals to eat them?
1 likeYour first video was fucked up this is a much better idea you can tell them it's real meat then afterwards explain its beyond and it will actually be funny
1 likeMan said the Bible justifies slavery. Bruh read context. Your way off
0 likesjidion is hell
0 likesthis was one of his best videos!
1 likehe got real for a second
Jidion is actually smart for bringing in religion. Good argument
1 likeCows are food not pets
0 likesJidion is actually odee educated I wasn’t expecting this from
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WOW HE SMART AF !
0 likesJi🐐
0 likesIf you really got the time to make a vegan activist channel you takin life too seriously
0 likesWhy are animals allowed to kill animals, because its nature. However, us humans are part of nature, so why can't we kill other animals for food.
0 likesYou are addicted just admit it
1 likeWatch cowspiracy
1 likethe cows are the main reason we have global warming
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Already been debunked
1 likeMy boy international w it now💪🏾
0 likesImagine videos everyday with the same new ideas and energy
1 likeboi u needa learn how to defend ur faithhhh
0 likesthe religion arguments are so weak 😴
1 likethe golden rule says to "do unto others as you would have them do unto you"...
animals classify as others. 🐷🐣🐮 go vegan!
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Typical vegan cult nonsense
0 likesbro go see tyron AHAHAHA
0 likesCows and chickens are legit bred for food if we didn’t eat them they wouldn’t even have a life anyways
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I would rather not be born than take their place
0 likesIf you like more information on what the vegan guy was talking about, then watch: " game changers ", " Dominion ", " Dairy is scary ", and " What the Health " documentaries
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all propaganda with false information and fake news. better of watching Jerry Springer, at least it is more real.
0 likes@GarudaLegends to the willfull ignorant mind, the truth is a lie
0 likesWatch Land of hope and glory on YouTube, see what you are paying for
4 likesAnimals are not important GTFO they can kill us , sharks, pitbulls etc and we supposed to be ok with it
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You eat sharks and Pitbulls?
1 like0:16 bro dababy is better than lil nas x
0 likesPpl who try and make the Bible seem bad never know anything about it
0 likesThe thing is, JiDion didnt PAY for the animal to be killed.... It was already killed, he just bought that shit. You could think that if he didnt buy it, that animals life could've been ended for nothing as the meat couldve gone bad.
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Supply and demand, if you keep buying it they'll keep killing animals to sell, so yes he did pay for an animal to die.
1 like@Jord 🏳️⚧️ but if he didnt buy it, someone else wouldve, or it wouldve gone to waste... Theres really no way to just stop the cycle... 1 person saying "im not gonna buy meat" doesnt help anything... A different person will just fill there spot
0 likes@idk420blazeit I don't think you're getting it, that other person wouldn't buy it to sell in the first place if people didn't pay to eat meat.
0 likesIf you stop paying for meat they will stop killing more animals to meet the demand and the unnecessary pain that the animals go through will stop.
@idk420blazeit Thousands of animals have been saved from people going vegan because farmers are breeding less animals to kill now. Even if people still eat meat, the suffering prevented by those who go vegan still matters.
0 likes@Jord 🏳️⚧️ i get what youre saying, and i love animals... But what im saying is that there will always be a demand for the meat... Good discussion too 👍🏻👍🏻, very rare to not have a toxic discussion in any social media comment section.
1 like@idk420blazeit Sure no problem, have a good day. :)
0 likes@Jord 🏳️⚧️ That's not true. Vegan meals also kill animals. Pesticides kill so many different species of animals that it's crazy. Farms also hire huntersto kill pests that attempt to eat the crops.
0 likesJust check the crop potection videos on YouTube. Also check out Garland Farms he is great at exposing the vegan hypocrisy.
@Kreed2k Yes you're right and that's horrific but the definition of veganism is that it's a philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude—as far as is possible and practicable—all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals.
0 likesWe can only do the best we possibly can. If the world goes vegan there would be significantly less animals being slaughtered. We can't eradicate all of it, sadly that's the world we live in, but we can do our best
@Jord 🏳️⚧️ That actually the Vegans Societies definition of veganism and actually their 13th definition since it's formation in 1945. But lets pretend that it is the actual definition of veganism because it's so vague it means that most people are vegan whether they eat meat or not. I doing as much as possible and practicable and that leaves me eating meat.
0 likesIf all livestock stopped being slaughtered, you would still have all the animals dying out in the crop fields.
The point is many vegans are extremely hypocritical within the movement and that's what I'm trying to highlight.
@Kreed2k You're not doing everything you possibly can if you continue paying for meat are you?
0 likes@Jord 🏳️⚧️ Says who? If I buy vegan I still kill animals. In my mind I'm doing all that I can. Therefor I'm vegan according to the vague definition that you just provided me.
0 likesVegans Be killin them plants tho
0 likesJi sorry but just leave it, just dont do those pranks anymore and thats that, nobody over the age of 8 finds that shit funny anyways.. and no im not a vegan, neither a vegi, but its still childish and cringey bs, just let those people be and do ur thing there is no damn need to cause such controversy over a video that isnt even funny..i woulda rather seen u blow up a trashcan or sum shit, that woulda been 50x more entertaining....
0 likesTry making a lion into a vegan. Good luck with that. It’s just how the food chain works.
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Lions are obligate carnivores, we aren’t. We can be completely healthy eating a completely plant-based diet.
0 likesToo goood
0 likesJidion is the goat🐏🐏🐏
1 likePlease come back to austin
0 likesHow does the slatter house shoot the cow in the head and slit it’s throat
0 likesVegans are actually killing animals by taking there food
0 likesDid anyone else go back to see what he blurred out?
0 likesWait I’m confused, are animals shot in the head?
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Yes, for instance
2 likesAll cows are female and only produce milk when they are pregnant, the farmer sticks his hand up the cows anus to align the cervix and injects bull semen into the cow which was obtained by masturbating the bull. This gets her pregnant.
After the cows baby is born, if it's male it gets shot in the head not long after birth and turned into veal. If they're female they go through the same process as their mother being impregnated yearly and having their milk stolen until eventually they are too old and get their throat slit or bolted in the head so they can be ground up into a burger.
Kinda fucked man ngl.
They shot in the head and they taste good asf that’s crazy
0 likesHere's a challenge for you: watch the documentary 'Domionion' from beginning to end!
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Propaganda
4 likes@Assassin 9958 What do you mean? What about it is propaganda?
1 like@Waddleeee it’s simply cherry picked probably fake footage to emotionally manipulate people
0 likes@Assassin 9958 With a simple youtube search you will find exactly the same footage that Dominion shows for every country. How do you think animals get slaughtered? Do you think they get cuddled to death? You simply cannot take away mother's babies (e.g. for then taking their milk from them) without violence. Please watch Dominion and give me an exact example that is supposed to be cherry picked. :)
1 likeWhy does JiDion sound smart in this!?!?!?
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He doesn't trust me.
0 likesAll cows are female and only produce milk when they are pregnant, the farmer sticks his hand up the cows anus to align the cervix and injects bull semen into the cow which was obtained by masturbating the bull. This gets her pregnant.
After the cows baby is born, if it's male it gets shot in the head not long after birth and turned into veal. If they're female they go through the same process as their mother being impregnated yearly and having their milk stolen until eventually they are too old and get their throat slit or bolted in the head so they can be ground up into a burger.
Kinda fucked man ngl.
@Jord 🏳️⚧️ that’s not an argument
0 likes@Assassin 9958 Every argument you've ever presented has been shut down by me or another vegan, you're just too stubborn to admit it. 👍
0 likes@Jord 🏳️⚧️ nice delusion
1 likeGive me a reason to restrict myself from objectively beneficial sources and our biological diet
@Assassin 9958 We don't need meat to stay alive therefore we don't need to kill animals.
0 likesIf we can do something that's kinder and better for the animals and the planet we should be mature, responsible people and do so.
Look you're obviously never going to go vegan because you don't have the self discipline over your own taste buds, but people with more compassion and empathy will, so we'll keep going round reaching those people. I couldn't give a shit what a selfish and immature person like you thinks.
@Jord 🏳️⚧️ need is irrelevant as need doesn’t dictate actions anywhere in life and that doesn’t take away from the fact it’s objectively beneficial
0 likesTaste is secondary to the objective benefits
Compassion and empathy shouldn’t come at the cost of logic whereas mine is completely balanced same goes for the vast majority of people
You have just proven that you have no arguments
@Assassin 9958 The idea that the way nature intended us to function is the "logical way" is just flawed.
0 likesIn nature animals rape each other to reproduce, humans used to do the same.
We realised we were better than that and rape isn't morally okay and needed.
Vegans realised that killing a creature which suffered isn't morally okay and needed.
Same principle
Plants, fruit and veg are proven to provide all the nutrients and vitamins a person needs to live, the only thing lacking is B12 which is actually lacking in plenty of meat eaters diets too.
Are you seriously saying that you justify paying for an something to die because of the one vitamin only found in animals (B12) which even then isn't enough for 40% of people living in America.
Give me a break.
@Jord 🏳️⚧️ difference is we aren’t biologically built to rape we are built to reproduce but we are biologically built to eat animals
1 likeAlso morality is subjective
Even if everything was in plants it would still be illogical to restrict oneself from objectively beneficial sources
@Assassin 9958 Are you saying rape is subjectively okay? And if not why is it any different to taking a life?
0 likesAlso just because we CAN eat meat doesn't mean we are biologically built to.
YouTube keeps deleting my comment when I post links but there's plenty of articles and research that proves we aren't designed to be meat eaters at all.
Those small blunt canine teeth we have are not enough to bite through the hide of an animal like a lions teeth are...so how are we designed biologically to eat meat?
We have small canine teeth, soft fingernails, not claws, we have all the characteristics of herbivores. We also have the enzyme amylase in our saliva which isn't found in carnivores.
Just because we can doesn't mean we should.
@Jord 🏳️⚧️ you have just proven that you know nothing about biology it’s a fact we are biological omnivores name your sources so I can look at them
0 likesAnd you are conflating morality and legality
@Assassin 9958 People are also not designed we are a product of evolution, our bodies adapted to eating meat because we had to, to survive, we can easily adapt back to not requiring it at all...
0 likesWait so you think rape would be okay if it was legal? Huh okay...
@Jord 🏳️⚧️ evolution designed us as biological omnivores from the beginning we have always been omnivores
0 likesAnd once you have a biological diet you can’t change it as it’s a permanent thing so we will always be omnivores
Rape is a legal based action so using it in a moral argument is conflating the two
Sources to check out.
0 likes(Are Humans ‘Designed’ To Eat Meat?) - Plant based news (2020)
Highlights all the reasons we aren't including plenty of sources you can check out
(What is our natural diet? Are humans Evolutionary adapted to eat animals plants or both?) - Juliet Gellatley of Viva (2015)
Look into it, do some research I'm sure there's plenty of other studies
Meathooked: The History and Science of Our 2.5-Million-Year Obsession with Meat, by science writer Marta Zaraska. This highlights why It's so difficult for people to give up meat.
NPR did an article discussing the book too called
(Humans Are 'Meathooked' But Not Designed For Meat-Eating)
@Jord 🏳️⚧️ did you seriously just use vegan sources as evidence 😂
0 likesYou are aware vegan sources are commonly full of bias and downright misinformation a good example is the plant based news one you mentioned
JiDion mad smart w his rebuttal 🤝
0 likeswait he's from finland wow thats actually cool im from finland too :D Moi-
0 likeswe are omnivores i eat meat if u want to lmao u can’t get everything the body needs on eating plants
0 likesW
0 likesThis cow pack is hittin
0 likesDaBaby
0 likesDavid Ramms is incredible. For anyone who wants to see what David is talking about, watch Dominion: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ny6aqdFy9SI
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Propaganda
1 like8:50 idk because it doesn’t exist 😂
1 likeThis proves men have 2 sides , the logical and the emotional.
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agreed.
0 likeslogic: we should not hurt others for a 10 minute taste pleasure, since its cruel and unnecessary 🧠
emotional: mMMMMM bacon gooooD 😭😭😭
@Animal Rights taste pleasure tho cruelty tho unnecessary tho
0 likesHow many times did this dude say “Animals get shot in the head and have their throats slit.” How can you not like meat 😅
0 likesI ain’t gonna lie if I had more time I would’ve brought a cow or a pig up here I’m fucking weak
0 likesI'm always here when jidion uploads, this vegan extremist something else..
0 likesThe fact that I was eating pasta with meatballs while watching this was kinda funny
0 likes"shot in the head"?
0 likesAnimals are created to be eaten they have to be killed and eaten.
1 likecmon man its the circle of life. animals kill other animals to live. people kill animals that are eatable not that they kill just for the cause of killing. but killing friendly, more intelligent or simply not eatable animals is fucked up. thats it
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its not the circle of life, its the circle of suffering and death
0 likesanimals also r*pe eachoter and eat their own babies. should we do that too?
or do we realize that we dont need to eat animals to survive, and we can just eat plants instead.
@Animal Rights still no arguments
0 likesyou're in the new LLS video
0 likesThat guy can’t be real 😂💀
0 likesThis vegan had no answer to dijions questions
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Watch his channel, the vegan makes complete sense.
2 likes@Jord 🏳️⚧️ sure he does 😂
1 like😂😂😂😂
1 likeAt the end of the day animals are gonna kill animals to eat so it’s not our fault that we’re on the top of the food chain lol
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Really bad argument
1 likeyou said it the best lmao
0 likesSTAY MAD BOZO😈🤡🤡
0 likesI learnt something about the food chain in school does it mean that being vegan removes it and breaks the cycle of life.( Just my opinion)
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Nope, humans don't belong in the food chain. Food chain exists in the environment. If you leave a human in a forest and let them survive, he will occupy a position in the food chain. But currently we are outside the food chain.
0 likesBanger after banger baby
0 likesaye aye y ae
0 likesI love animals too but they bussin bro
0 likesVegans are softy’s because animals in the wild eat meat to and we should to tigers kill without mercy so should we. We humans need to survive to you feel me
0 likesI love you
0 likesYou’re like really really really pushing his buttons lmfaoooo it’s great
That nelk background music lmao
0 likes8:34 um… ya it’s called monkeys and we don’t eat them🤦🏽♂️
2 likesthe religion argument doesnt hold though, do you really think that if jesus came down in 2021 and saw we have supermarkets and chose to eat anything we should pick the option that kills? he would pick peace and the option that requires no death, just like in the garden of eden.
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Bro some animals are put on earth so that they can be eaten , read ur bible bud
13 likes@Adin Ross since sin was introduced on earth yes, not when everything was in the image of God in the garden of Eden. A sinner kills.
3 likesWARNING ⚠️ JESUS COMMANDS YOU TO REPENT OR PERISH!!!! YOUR SOUL IS ON THE LINE!!!!!
1 like@Ruben French nah he’s right cuz Jesus would never come down just to say something. When he’s coming back he’s taking us. So according to the Bible, your argument is invalid.
6 likes@Ruben French bro. we would be fine if Aden and Eve ate the snake and not the fruit. yall vegans dont read the bible
1 likeno, according to the bible we live in a fallen world hence why it aint like the garden of eden no more. yall really dont read
0 likes@Jeffy Boy no shit, im saying why would you pick to do evil when you can puck what was modeled after perfection.
1 like@Ruben French you realize the passover was after the garden of eden... right?
0 likes@Ruben French also it aint evil. ahem passover, story of fish and bread, etc
0 likes@Jeffy Boy he like most vegans never read the bible once
0 likesthe alpha and omega Jesus Christ would eat fish and other animals goat sheep and made it rain quails signifying fast food such as KFC that now sell 3d printed food fast food is not food. do you think your MCDS cheeseburger wrap that has written "100% beef" is actually 100%beef? Hahaha no that is the name of the company that produces that meat for them LOL
1 likeHe ate fish he would understand Jesus wasn’t a vegan
2 likesgod made animals different then humans. in the bible animals are for humans they dont have a conscious, they are mean to be eaten and used.
3 likes@Ruben French animals dont have a conscious or souls, its not killing.
0 likes@GarudaLegends I'm vegan and read the bible. The bible itself helped me solidify exactly why I'm an athiest.
1 like@ecstasy dude wtf😂😂 animals aren't concious?? fr??? we know that animals are biologically sentient beings that feel pain, have emotions, and feelings. otherwise people wouldn't love their dogs and cats sm. reality is, every animal that is slaughtered for food is just as sentient as a pet dog or cat. watch some factory farming footage and tell me those animals don't have pain and fear in their eyes. watch a video of a dog being abused and hear their whimpers of pain. y'all need to start listening to actual science over your fantasy book🤷♀️
3 likes@Cassie Hall even thought I agree with you’re point that they do have a conscious, calling what I believe in a fantasy is a bit mean, don’t you think?
0 likesAye killer stream today
0 likesI’m pretty sure animals at a slaughterhouse don’t get shot in the head. Waste of meat
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https://youtu.be/DYQDWF2SkSU?t=10
1 likeYou went from Lil bad x to dababy like that
1 likeDavid is a good guy
1 likeif you don't eat meat thats not stopping the animal getting killed
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It is. Supply and demand.
2 likesjidon this is content ty for everything man you are my hero
1 likeWhat’s that song called in ur intros ?
0 likesThe animals are already dead so might aswell put them to good use
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They aren't already dead, they are specifically killed for said "good use"
1 likeWhy does he keep saying “shot in the head” isnt that the best way...?
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What if i did that to a human
2 likes@Orange Juice do it to me so i have a reason why i died and not because im depressed 😎 💯✊ 💀
0 likes@Orange Juice What if that actually happens for vegan foods? https://youtu.be/hCehaBYlpHo
0 likesYo did it say “Am gay” on his phone at 1:51
0 likesJidion could’ve talked about natural selection and how eating meat literally helped everyone survive 200+ years ago, would’ve thrown the vegan off
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Watch some of said vegan's videos, you'd be surprised
2 likes@Orange Juice Bet
0 likesHe just needed to talking about crop protection or pesticides. https://youtu.be/ovGHKr-NoqQ
0 likesFor those who think the Bible justified modern day slavery research indenture servants And suzerain vassal treaty
0 likeslooks like someone gonna visit tyrone
0 likesMan channel is getting better and better and he getting used to this
1 likeNo Ls
1 like“GRAB THE BACON” 😂😂😂
2 likesLmao
1 likeWhen animals hunt and kill each other, there's no problem, but when a human does it, it's such a problem 😐
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No it is not a problem if it is a survival situation, it IS a problem in the industry
1 likeHis pfp be looking like yrg
1 likeNgl I’m eating bacon rn
0 likesi hope someone will make compilation of moments when this vegan couldnt win over his biology/hunger/both and licked his lips wathing You eat.
0 likesHis argument isnt backed by anything. He keeps going back to “Shot in the head, slit their throat”.
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Yes his argumants are backed by science and ethics. The argument is that we do not have to consume anything that comes from bodies to be healthy and thrive. So it's unnecessary slaughter and can not be justified so we have to stop funding animal breeding.
1 likehttps://youtu.be/DYQDWF2SkSU?t=10
1 likeEnough proof?
@A W No that’s not what I meant. Did he state those facts in the video? He kept saying Shot in the head and slit their throat.
1 like@Orange Juice and ofc I believe that this happens. As a meat eater I am perfectly fine with this process. What I’m saying is the way that he presented the argument was lazy.
1 likethis dude uses light mode on twitch.
1 likeDumb video
0 likesAt the end you should of told him to say “fuck tyron” 💀💀💀💀
0 likesIm lowkey racist af but this dude cool and funny af 😂💀
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bro⁉️🤨
1 like“This cow pack smacking bro”😂😂😂
0 likesA menace
0 likesIt's funny but the empathy in my realizes how fucked it is. I guess that's why I think it's funny though.
0 likesYou gon have to run it back in them restaurants. He called you dababy. Smh gotta show em you jidon
0 likesJidion ☝✊👌👊
1 likeThis vegan guy is not educated at all. He said “the Bible supports slavery” when the Jews were the ones in slavery by the Egyptians. Also Acts Chapter 10 explains why people can eat meat.
0 likesJidion u rock bro!! God bless :)
0 likesthey really forgetting about the food chain 💀
0 likesDoes he occasionally do his intros in stores?
0 likes1:51 i’m i gay ad???? Wtf jidion
0 likesI’d rather be shot in the head than have wolves or hyenas eat me alive and bite the sh*t outta me and tear my organs from by body before I die
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Me too
0 likesThey don’t get shot in the head or there throats slit it’s more peaceful
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https://youtu.be/DYQDWF2SkSU?t=10
1 like… you were saying?
This cow pack smokin 😂
0 likesjidion on top
0 likesBro you’re too funny for YouTube.
0 likesyo i wonder what this guy thinks about mosquitos
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or this https://youtu.be/ovGHKr-NoqQ
0 likesMake a diss music video to fire back🔥💡
0 likesU shulda got him to say fuck tyrone
0 likesThis guy is way too funny
0 likesGOD BLESS
0 likesWhen he mooood I lost it 😂😂
0 likesSmart JiDion 🤨
0 likesdamn was really here when he was only getting like 20k views
0 likesLol
0 likesNot eating meat is disrespectful to the animals who would've died for nothing
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No, it isn't
1 like@Orange Juice yeah the dead animals are thinking "yo why tf did I just get killed if nobody gonna eat me"
0 likes@Julian Milhe You do realise that they were just killed for the sole purpose to be eaten? If you stop eating meat, they will stop producing it.
1 like@Orange Juice nah meat is supposed to be eaten by humans just like how animals also eat meat. Vegans can be vegans but dont get mad at us for tryna have a healthy diet and enjoy food
0 likesWait a minute! We didn’t get the legendary intro song to the video! Still a banger though
0 likesThe Genealogy of The Morals out here
0 likesJidion saves Youtube
0 likesShould have asked him have you had meat when he was younger he wold say yes booom done
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As someone commented earlier, you know that most vegans are not vegans by birth right? Veganism is not about never having eaten an animal, it is about reducing animal suffering
0 likesJidion with the heat again aye
0 likesVegans aren't doing shit. The animals are still gonna be killed one way or another
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Supply and demand. As more people stop eating meat, less is the demand, lesser is the supply, therefore less animals are killed
1 like@Orange Juice Yeah and people are left without jobs smh selfish Vegans
0 likes@Julian Milhe No, they won't be left without jobs. The world won't turn vegan overnight, it's a slow process. They will take up new jobs.
1 like@Orange Juice people don't just find other jobs overnight they gonna be unemployed for a while and what about the kids who dream of becoming farmers or butchers etc... vegans are ruining their dreams smh selfish
0 likes@Orange Juice btw if you think the world is gonna turn vegan you're delusional bcus meat taste way too good for people to give it up
0 likesWorst still vegan food actually contributes to the death of animals. https://youtu.be/ovGHKr-NoqQ
0 likes@Kreed2k By "vegan food" you mean plants? You do know that most of the food produced in the world is fed to animals right?
0 likeshttps://youtu.be/nyVlDEdxPew
@Julian Milhe That's exactly my point, they are not gonna turn jobless overnight. They don't have to give up farming. They just have to stop butchering innocent animals. I don't know any kids who dream of becoming butchers... willingly wanting to kill animals. You know what is selfish? Murder. Just because you can have that taste of eating meat.
0 likes@Orange Juice actually wrong. 86% of the foods that are fed to livestock is grass, inedible waste or by-products of crops grown for human consumption.
0 likesGoogle the FAO study regarding this. I'm unable to post links that leave YouTube for some reason.
This video explains it though.
https://youtu.be/2d__B2zWa-c
Livestock also only consume a minority of the crops that are grown for humans. Livestock don't consume sugar cane, potatoes, rice, avocados, strawberries, oranges nuts and a long list of other fruit and vegetables. So even without the study your claim is wrong.
@Orange Juice The truth about it all is that we humans need meat to be completely healthy. Vegans always end up with health problems and even though they get some nutrients from other things other than animals it's not ideal for your body not to have meat / fish and all that.
1 like@Orange Juice also please realise that animals kill animals because they like the way they taste and dangerous animals would kill us too for the taste... we just happen to be higher on the food chain so we shouldnt take it for granted 🤷♂️
0 likesHis argument where the Bible justifys slavery is incorrect. Bible protected slaves. Slavery was way different back then, lemme explain. Back then people became slaves of there own free will because they would be provided shelter a place to stay, food etc, so people became slaves of there own free will, the Bible never once said go make someone a slave against there will. The Bible protected slaves from death and things like that. You can’t take the Bible out of context. So the Bible never justified bad slavery, it justified good slavery and I’ll explain one more time, people became slaves of there own free will back then yes some people forced people as slaves but they were disobeying God because God never said go make someone ur slave without there consent. So the Bible encouraged good slavery where the slaves were protected not encourage bad slavery where the slaves could be killed.
0 likesThe animals will spare him because he’s Vegan😂
0 likesJidion’s IQ is something else man, my man had a rebuttal for every single thing the vegan said
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El Plug 🧠
0 likesTell the manger that your daddy owns the store and they should give or let you in for free
0 likesThis live was actually interesting they talked about serious thing
2 likesYou j gotta peep that “da baby” at the end of the vid ☠️
0 likesbruh animals reproduce 😭😭- like bruh animals are makin more animals too😭— like hold on
0 likes"i don't wanna make people feel bad after a prank" sing it with me F*** TY-RONE F*** TY-RONE
0 likesBruh feeling bad for animals is silly. It's a cycle of life. Those animals you are feeling bad for eat other animals too
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I've never seen a cow eat another animal... And how is feeling bad for another's suffering silly?! Would you not feel bad if you saw an animal suffer?
0 likes@Orange Juice so u only feel bad for cows or something? They were put on this earth to be apart of the cycle of life
0 likes@Mo Ali Exactly. They weren't made to be abused to death.
0 likesObviously everyone feels bad for anyone's suffering, why just cows.
90% of all slaughter houses kill their animals painlessly and quickly with 1 bullet to the brain,that’s the best way you can do it idek why the dude talking about slitting throats😹
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El Plug ok and where do they slit their throats if i may ask?
1 likeEl Plug i said 90%
0 likesVegans care for animals, carnivores are animals, why is it that they need to fuck with our diets, go tell a cheetah to switch to eating tofu and almond milk, go ahead
0 likesBro, must've took debate and speech in school! Haha
0 likesHe was hitting that shit when you called bruv😭
0 likesThe ultimate troll we love it
0 likesshoulda got him to say fuck tyrone
0 likesMans never misses always putting great shit out cant wait for the next video
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CUSSING IS DANGEROUS FOR YOUR SOUL!!!!! REPENT!!!!!
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0 likesThis turned to a podcast realll quickkkk
0 likesI mean the video was great and it was funny but I too think it was too far
0 likesThis guy speaking out of context with the bible obviously he doesn’t know it and doesn’t know that after Salvation, people didn’t have to go by the old laws of sacrificing animals anymore. Saying that the bible justifies SLAVERY is very much wrong! Just because slavery was a thing in biblical times doesn’t mean God was pleased with the creul behaviour of mankind.
0 likesthe vegan guy is an absolute snowflake
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anyone that says snowflake unironically secretly is one
2 likes@xhakazulu you on the vegan dude meat ngl
1 likeMeet tyron again :)
0 likesJidion def took the W
0 likesnot going to lie watchin him make that burger made me go an make one
0 likesWhen you follow him on ig because ou really wanna see Tyrone lmaool
0 likesIf we weren't supposed to be eaten why they taste so great lol
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0 likesAnimals were putting in the world so that we eat them same as plants and other stuff going completely vegan or meat is wrong u should stay in between he is only eating plants cause he fells that when he pick them up they don't feel and that's wrong plants feel same as animals go do ur research then talk about being Vegan
0 likesLet's fucking go jidion back with another BANGER
0 likesAnimals kill other animals we are also animals that get killed by other animals so i see no problem with us as other animals killing other animals
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We get killed by other animals? What are you talking about
1 likeAye who else was in that stream
1 likeAfter this video have unsubscribed from this channel it has been a good 6 months .(
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Aw why
1 likeThe throat is only cut to preserve the meat
0 likesIt’s nature there’s always a good chain.
0 likesFunniest Dude On YouTube😭😭💯
1 likeI'm 14 work in a butchers I ain't got ptsd I help kill the animals and it's very quick and humain
0 likesNot dababy😭
0 likesCooking meat in vegan places? Based. That was amazing
1 likethe thing is meat is good ash pause… but it’s the way of life animals die regardless if we kill them or another animal kills them even if they get bread in a “slaughter house”
0 likesAnimals eat animals tho:
1 likeAnimals in the wild also rape, murder, steal, commit infanticide and cannibalism. Dont look at the actions of animals to base your morals on.
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But we don't live in the wild
0 likesThere are about 100 BILLION land animals in animal agriculture. The majority of crops, such as corn, soy, grains, are grown to feed these animals. A shift to a vegan diet we could reduce land use by 70%. Being vegan requires a great deal less resources.
3 likesGod provided us these animals so we can kill them for food.
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Nope
1 likebro ily soooooo much but make longer vids
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1 likeIt’s a good video, but your arguments were stupid af, and I ain’t vegan.
2 likesTh bible, and with it god, in exodus 21 does condone slavery. You can call it indentured servitude all you want, its still a form of slavery. A benevolent god would have just said slavery is not allowed, not make a whole chapter on how to trwat your slaves, that you can beat them and they are your property.
1 likePlants are living beings to but I guess its alright to kill them in they're minds cuz they dont see a breathing animal this whole world is full of life death is just a product of it
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Bad argument...
1 likenigga said "shot in the head and slitthroated" like 20 times
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https://youtu.be/DYQDWF2SkSU?t=10
1 likeGotta go for extra emotional points. It's totally ok when it happens for vegan foods though. https://youtu.be/hCehaBYlpHo
0 likesWe live in a fallen creation as a result of sin expecting this world to be a paradise where nothing suffers is a lie. Everything will suffer and everything will die. It’s not being vegan it’s the ideology that you can erase all suffering out of this word by doing works. There will always be evil in this world. But don’t be discouraged for this world is not all there is God will make a new world where death will be no more. Just trust in Jesus Christ (and repent of your sins) Who God became to suffer the punishments of all mans sins so that anyone who believes can be allowed into heaven and found not guilty.
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0 likesBouta make me go vegan oh no
0 likesIt’s good that some people are trying to save the animals but if we put it to realization we will probably never stop eating animals meat
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Yeah, but we can certainly reduce the amount of people who do eat meat
1 like@Orange Juice yes I have started eating less meat
1 likegot me fucked up if you think imma stop eating chicken
0 likesShould have bought a toy pig then put red water inside of it then stab the toy pig
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Dude, you're messed up
1 likeLETS GO JDION IS A CHRISTIAN MAKES ME LOVE HIM EVEN MORE
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Not a Christian hes a believer but not a Christian
0 likesJidion GOD BLESS YOU!!! you're gonna blow up even more, God bless you
1 likeThe cream on the desk💀💀💀
0 likesAbsolute BANGER can we get more discussion videos like this bro cause you literally NAILED it💯❗️
1 likeI ain’t homosexual I’m just into men.
0 likesjidion been only going up
1 likeEveryone has different logics, no one’s right when everyone else think they are also right.
0 likesBruh pranked his ass and then proceeded to beat him in an argument
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Um he got beat
1 like@Orange Juice yeah that vegan guy did get beat, Jidion is too smart and funny am I right? 😆
0 likesbro ranga beard took a phat L
0 likesNo intro music
0 likesWhen does jidion miss?…….NEVER
2 likesLove your vids homie but you got shredded in that argument. It’s an obvious answer when you question killings things that don’t need to die.
1 likeThere's a food chain for a reason, go protest against the lions tell them to eat grass lol. There are herbivores in nature and omnivores in nature and carnivores, humans were made with the capability to eat meat and plants, which means it is their choice, animals were meant to be eaten and to eat other animals, period. Next time you see a snake in your house let it bite you first, #savethesnake :)
2 likesvegans are sped animals will die to other animals it’s called food chain😭
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0 likesTyrone sent him
0 likesBruh the Bible allows for slavery is such an invalid point. Slavery was the term that was used as in like boss-employee relationship. ‘Slaves’ were sheltered, eat same food, treated no less and were doing duties like farming, andddd freed after the contract. Does that sound like slavery that you know?
1 likeTf he trynna make it seem like they care about the animals. It’s a diet my guy.
0 likesThe Bible doesn't support the same slavery 400 years ago. The slavery it supports is that of indentured servitude. N technically we are not obligated to sacrifice the lamb anymore. But we cn still eat meat, including lamb lol. U cant say its objectively wrong...den deny God's validity as an agnostic. U can't deny because "u don't know". What metric of objectivity trumps ur ignorance of God? Wouldn't the sheer possibility of God's existence (which u allow for as an agnostic) discredit anything u think is objective if it goes against what God says? The Bible scales higher than sum butthurt vegans🤣. If u dnt wanna eat meat, dats cool. But u cnt get mad at us for doin it. Plus if u think humans and animals are equal...den u gotta stop animals from eating each other. But I bet u wont bc its "natural". It's ok for us to eat meat too, God says so. But since vegans think we evolved from animals, according to their logic, it would also b "natural" for us to eat meat as well. Just stick to urs...n we'll stick to ours.
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I agree with your arguments but who’s to say the Bible’s right?
0 likes@That guy God, Science, Archeology, History, Prophetic accuracy, Several witness testimonials, the sheer fact that no contradiction exists in that holy book. Essential part of the oldest Monotheistic religion. It was written over a timespan of over a thousand years with different writers...and it all correlates perfectly as if coming from one Author. It all makes sense, and is the oldest book still in modern use with more manuscripts to back it up than ANY literary work to date. Capable of entirely changing lives for the better and providing an excellent solid foundation (value system) for morality/ethics that allow for true peace n love WORLDWIDE. It's truly a valid book.
1 like@Laelo ok I find you claims very interesting. Obviously I can’t address all of them so I’ll address the ones I find most interesting. You said history proves that the Bible is the word of God. If that’s the case then can you explain why the Bible refers to the ruler of Egypt during the time of Prophet Joseph and Moses as pharaoh while the term pharaoh wasn’t used to refer to the ruler of Egypt during the time of Prophet Joseph?
0 likes@That guy The same way I can refer to a pharoah of that time period by "pharoah" right now. Pharoah SIMPLY means ruler of Egypt. So if Joseph addressed the pharoah as "King of Egypt" or "ruler of Egypt" or "ruler/king (obviously of Egypt)", then linguistically speaking this is sound. For by the time of writing it was known thing to do so, being in 1513 BCE in all. Just as in Genesis it talks about the creation of the earth before human language was a thing. It still referred to the prebiotic earth as "earth", tho at the time "earth" wasn't a word. If it sed "a man who has sex with man" n it is rendered "a homosexual". Same thing, even tho it wasn't a word back then...it refers to the same thing so its still technically accurate. It just uses language in common use. Dats all.
1 like@Laelo Pharaoh doesn’t simply mean ruler of Egypt. That was the case post new kingdom but it wasn’t before that. It meant a number of things over time but prior to the new kingdom period it was either used to refer to “The large house" as designation of the king's palace in the Old Kingdom Period.
0 likes"The palace" = residence of the king and other inhabitants.” Your analogy of Genesis isn’t adding up. You used an example when God says things that might not align with the time period and that’s fine because he’s all knowing and anachronism don’t apply to him because he’s timeless. But it would be a problem in this scenario because we’re receding to a human who isn’t timeless and is bounded by it. When I said Pharaoh is used to refer to the ruler of Egypt during the time of pharaoh, it’s not only a problem because it’s used by the author of the Bible but also the fact that prophet Joseph himself stated so. Joseph called Pharaoh pharaoh in a verse in the Bible. I can provide the verse if you want. Let me give you an analogy so you can better understand. Let’s say in about 500 years from now we refer to the president as googla(made up word). Now let’s say someone today were to use that word to refer to the president. It just wouldn’t make sense because that’s not what we use to refer to the president currently so it wouldn’t make sense to call the president by that. Now use that analogy to understand my argument. The use of pharaoh during the time of Joseph is simply anachronistic and the Bible falls into that
@That guy No bc I didn't say God called it the earth. I sed it was written "earth" in reference to that time period. That's y I gave the example of homosexual (instead of man who sleeps with man). Same thing. Now if in 500 years Googla comes to refer to "the president", it's effectively the same thing so yes it would apply and work out. It doesn't matter because any president is a googla, according to the language in use 500 years from now so that's fine. Pharoah does simply mean ruler of Egypt. Literally "a ruler in ancient Egypt" in Oxford. Other sources corroborate that this is what pharoah means now and has been meaning this for a long time now. Doesn't matter where it came from, it has been used this way since BCE times, since Bible times. Even b4 Moses wrote it as such, as phrases r often used verbally b4 writing. So yea it still works. The Bible is still valid for we even today refer to them as pharoahs. N if I were to quote someone of an older time period, it's the equivalent of me instead of saying "thy" I say "you". Tho I could say thy, I don't have to because it's not that important for the purpose of what I am trying to accomplish...which is simply tell the story to ppl with language they are familiar with. Genesis 40:1 "After these things, the chief cupbearer of the king of Egypt and the chief baker sinned against their lord, the king of Egypt. 2 So Pharʹaoh grew indignant at his two officers, the chief cupbearer and the chief baker". The Bible itself even substantiates pharoah meaning "ruler/king of Egypt". This is way simpler than always having to say king of Egypt when one can say pharaoh as was common during Moses' time period. He uses them together just as we use them together. This was common when Moses wrote Genesis, still is today.
0 likes@Laelo your example of homosexual doesn’t add up as well. You cannot call someone a homosexual if that wasn’t the word that was used to refer to them at the time. Let’s say for sake of argument that back in the day they referred to gay people as poles. You therefore cannot call them a homosexual at that time due to the simple fact that it wasn’t used at that time to refer to gay people. I don’t understand the problem. It’s quite simple your making it complicated. Did you really use my example and said that it makes sense to use that term to refer to presidents now? Cmon let’s be honest with ourselves. It makes no sense to use a term that isn’t applicable or used for a certain time period and then use it in that time period. That’s called anachronism. Seems like your not getting this concept. This is the exact thing that the Bible falls into. You stated “it doesn’t matter because any president is a googla, according to the language in use 509 years from now”. No that’s not fine. The reason this is is due to the fact that googla is a term used to refer to the president in 500 years NOT currently. So to use the term currently and refer to the president as that would make no sense and would be an anachronistic use of the word. Let’s continue with this example. Let’s say I were to go to the president and call him a googla. Let’s say “I were to say how are you googla of America”. It would make no sense because you wouldn’t have a clue what I’m talking about. People 500 years from now would understand what I’m saying but people currently wouldn’t don’t you agree? You you do agree then explain why the Joseph uses a term for the ruler of Egypt that wasn’t used at the time? No Pharaoh doesn’t simply mean ruler of Egypt. Notice what I’m saying tho. I’m not saying that pharoah doesn’t mean ruler of Egypt entirely, I’m simply stating that not only did it mean that during a specific time period, but also that that not the meaning of it throughout time specifically during the time of Joseph. You said that “this is what pharaoh means now and has been meaning this for a long time”. That’s simply not the case and I’ll demonstrate that. “There are three distinct entries mentioned in Wörterbuch Der Aegyptischen Sprache for the word "per-aa":
0 likes"The large house" as designation of the king's palace in the Old Kingdom Period.
"The palace" = residence of the king and other inhabitants.
As a designation of the king. Since the 18th Dynasty of the New Kingdom Period, the Egyptian word for "king".
Reference: A. Erman & H. Grapow, Wörterbuch Der Aegyptischen Sprache, 1926, Volume 1, J. C. Hinrichs'sche Buchhandlung: Leipzig, 516, 2-5.
Similarly, under the entry "Pharaoh", the British Museum Dictionary Of Ancient Egypt confirms that it was first used to refer to the king in the New Kingdom Period.
Pharaoh: Term used regularly by modern writers to refer to the Egyptian king. The word is the Greek form of the ancient Egyptian phrase per-aa ('the great house') which was originally used to refer to the royal palace rather than the king. The 'great house' was responsible for taxation of the lesser 'houses' (perw), such as the temple lands and private estates. From the New Kingdom (1550-1069 BC) onwards, the term was used to refer to the king himself.
Reference: “Pharaoh" in I. Shaw & P. Nicholson, British Museum Dictionary Of Ancient Egypt, 1995, British Museum Press: London, p. 222.
As for your last point. I’ve never seen this before but I can give you a basic response to it. It’s really a straw man. I never said the Bible doesn’t use the word Pharaoh to refer to the king of Egypt, I said that it’s use of the term Pharaoh to refer to the ruler of Egypt during time of Joseph is anachronistic because it simply wasn’t used during that time as demonstrated. Also as for your last sentence of “this is way simpler than always having to say king of Egypt when one can say pharaoh as was common during Moses time period”. This wasn’t the case as demonstrated.
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0 likesI love watching a video and then seeing it again with an npc’s face blurred 😂
2 likesBig Ws
0 likesI love how he used the nelk music 😂
0 likesvegans are the worst
1 likeBro really just hugged some random lady at the store 😭
0 likesI don't give a sheet if ur vegan I'm a kill cows chickin
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0 likesBro I’m bouta catch u in 4K 📸
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Yo phone suggests that ur gay my guy🤣🤣
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0 likesAYYY congrats on 1.1M dude. JiDion finna take over
0 likesThis is literally what it says on Google.As a new study in Nature makes clear, not only did processing and eating meat come naturally to humans, it's entirely possible that without an early diet that included generous amounts of animal protein, we wouldn't even have become human—at least not the modern, verbal, intelligent humans we are. So if y'all mf can't live without your phone and you like your opposable thumbs or you can't leave the house without having an hour-and-a-half decision on what to wear between 2 set of clothes or you like being at the top of the food chain so you don't get eaten can't you like your warm bed with covers and a roof over your head I would think about not getting your panties in a twist about an on vegans😂😂😂😂😂😂😂. Hey bro I hope you read this I love your videos
1 likejdion graduated at my highschool
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0 likesI'm sorry but as humans were supposed to eat meat like Godwin the made the circle of life as in the food chain if it was wrong to eat animals our body physically needs meat to survive I'm sorry but it does like have you guys ever had like fried Gator before think of it like this if you were in front of that gator it wouldn't hesitate to take a chunk out of your arm like if they had bigger brains and opposable thumbs you know how many people would die by being filleted like a fish like there's teeth in your mouth specifically for chewing meet like I'm not saying being vegan is bad because I get your own lifestyle but if somebody is making you mad by eating meat like they're supposed to don't treat them different and look at them with disgust because it's their own life choice and it's actually the regular life choice you're supposed to have😶
1 likesave the animals? if a vegan won't eat it we will they not saving animals lives if they already dead if a vegan not gonna eat it😂bad grammar ALERT
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0 likeshad my self a nice good burger watching this video
0 likesWhen a vegan has beef with you 😂
0 likesYou can debate this man entire belief because he still draws the line. He talked about would you kill a human will slightly different dna. So he is trying to make the argument where do we draw the line. Vegans still kill bugs and they still kill germs and they still step on grass which can kill many lifeforms. They still kill micro organisms' everyday. I morally believe humans are above all animals. Yes there is a religion out there called jainism who do believe all life and life forms matters. To the extent where they refuse to even eat plants like carrots. So at the end of the day it just comes down to our morals and where we draw the line.
1 like“dababy” ☠️☠️☠️
0 likesMeat is delicious
0 likesThats bullshit . Veganism is a Health thing for many people . Humans aren’t carnivores we are planteaters that’s why I don’t eat any meat 🤷🏽♂️ if I would be the dog I’ll eat all of that but I’m not what a fool
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because you chose not to. if you are meat nothing would happen.
0 likeslil nas x to dababy im cryingggg
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0 likesDiscovered this channel just 2 days ago and it has become my favorite YouTube channel.
0 likesI am happy there’s vegans so there more meat for me👍
0 likesAlways wit da banger bruh 🤩💯
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0 likesIf the animals don’t want it done to them why do they do it to other animals?🤔🤔 it’s just the food chain
0 likesTYRONE🤣🤣🤣🤣
0 likesThis conversation went everywhere and nowhere 😂
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0 likesHe acts like it’s immoral to kill animals but it’s a part of the food chain
0 likesHow tf is it your video and the other guy got better quality
0 likesI think it’s funny how vegans most used argument is ur paying for animals to be shot killed etc…. Bitch it was already dead and gonna die wether I bought it after or not… shit just happened to be charley the cow and not sheen the cow this time
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Are you familiar with concept of supply and demand? if you stop buying it, the demand would decrease thus the supply would also, meaning less animals being killed, and the more people who stop, the more the supply would decrease.
0 likes@HMS victory Ryan just like the whole world still isn’t religious even tho people pass religion like recruiting for the army not everybody is going to go vegan… ever and killing happens in nature for food anyway and we just call it the food chain, u stop one of the links and then we got over population in on area so now we got cows over grazing and then it fucks up crops… I’m pretty sure u see where I’m going
0 likesY’all eat meat ?👀
0 likes"We care about animals" yeah like the animals care about you and wouldnt tear you apart for food
0 likesVegans Talk about how we should stop eating these animals but they never talk about less cruel & more humane ways of putting down these animals or how to regulate the amount of animals that would be let loose example in the world could be higher now but the last time I checked there are 1.51 Billion Cows in the world all producing an extreme amount of Methane into are atmosphere causing a lot of factors to Global warming but no one talks about how long it would take without killing cows for their population to go down by natural causes we are in pretty deep & sometimes drastic measures need to be taken the cows population might just start to grow quicker but certain diets can reduce the amount of Methane cows produce a lot of the worlds problems stem from similar issues & life would be so much better if we could ditch political discourse with certain ideologies to come together to find a solution it exist it’s just no one has the power to make that change alone without some type of help but we all rather coast by as the world gets help killing itself
0 likesThis dude JiDion crazy asf but ngl he was spitting fax an making dude sound goofy… dude only had one argument which was animals get killed but my dawg JiDion was speaking fax an he had hella fax
0 likesWhat time is the merch dropping on the 24th?
0 likesI'm vegan and I wasn't offended... in fact, I thought it was fucking hilarious!
1 likeSpecies eat other species
1 likeAnimals, like lions eat other animals to survive, yes they can eat plants but they develop a sense of taste
Us humans do the same, we eat to survive but we prefer different foods because our taste
The vegan in this vid said workers kill animals, yes but they do it to feed humans to survive, not for fun. Animals do the exact same thing they kill for food not fun.
It’s the way life is and always will be…
Dude read the Bible it’s okay to do it. Like be for real
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1 likeYo jiDion don’t forget what the Bible says to do, your a funny guy but we shall not live in these worldly things. I love you and I hope you have a good life and a good relationship with the lord
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0 likesHow he a vegan 🌱 , but take 🥩.
1 likeNot gonna lie when they came into the beliefs talk the vegan was kinda right
1 likeAnimals kill animals for survival we kill animal’s for survival as well cause we are animals me personally I eat meat but I wouldn’t kill for it
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We don't kill animals for survival if we shop at a supermarket tbh
0 likesthose animals would eat me too if they could so that shits fair.
1 likethere are existing animals that are forbidden to eat, so his theory about humans with different DNA is rejected
0 likesThe dude really thinks animals have the same intrinsic value as people.
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He doesn't think that. Human people often get brought up into conversations like this because both humans and animals are sentient, and the goal of doing so is to try to help people to empathise with the animal as we share certain feelings, such as fear, pain, etc.
0 likesVegans supposedly love all creatures, but they're the same ones that support late-term abortion.
0 likescavemen had no choice but to eat meat, y’all vegan mfs would not last if y’all lived during the ice age, so be grateful that you have a choice of what to eat. stop acting so entitled and holier than thou by forcing ur beliefs, lifestyle, and opinions onto everyone else
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0 likesBefore anything we are Mammals which is a class of Animals. So we ourselves are Animals. Why would you protest a human for hunting a cow but not a wolf ? We both kill it for the same reason, and a cows death is inevitable in the wild. We just get it before any other predator reaches it. It will die eventually if we left it alone either way.
0 likesThe meat industry employs more than half a million people in America alone. But vegans care more about the lives of soulless animals than humans being able to provide for their families.
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1 likeIn islam our prophet advised us to eat meat only two times per week he was an advocate for this, in today's time this would be very helpful for man kind to stop excessively killing animals but to also keep us healthy. Also advises us to treat animals with kindness and to slaughter them in a way where they do not feel to much pain and peacefully. People in today's time should really look back and become more humane.
1 likeVery entertaining quality content 👍🏼
0 likesVideo idea: cook vegan meat in vegan restaurants
0 likesSo i just discovered this channwl yesterday and ive allready watched every video now im mad at myself that i havebt found this content sooner
0 likesim a vegetarian and mostly vegan... Im against you on this one..but love your videos..
1 likeLooks like u got to go see Tyrone😂😂
1 likeWe love meat 🥩
1 likeBest yt ever but you need more kai collabs
0 likesBest YouTuber ever.
0 likesWhy are the majority of vegan influencers all insane and shit like vegan people irl are normal as fuck
0 likesYour gonna take over youtube real soon bro 🙌
0 likesI like you taste of music ma boi
0 likesDude I felt so bad but it ended up being impossible burger lmao
0 likesYo I ain't vegan but the way animals are being slaughtered excessicely and meat getting wasted is pretty messed up humans weren't designed to eat to much meat in the first place
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Please be respectful and take veganism seriously. It's hardly even a choice when people become vegan. It is a paradigm shift, a change in perspective. We realized we were wrong in our actions and we had a moral obligation to live a different way. I can't go back on that even if I wanted to. Are you against animal abuse? Then you're already vegan at heart. Align your actions with your ethics, the only thing you'll regret is not doing it sooner. ✌️
0 likesBro a definition of a menace😂
0 likesDaBaby???
0 likesOh damn boiii...he turned up!!
0 likesWhat people need to understand is everyone sees and views everything different. I don’t always agree with people’s views and beliefs but I least can see why and understand why they say and do what they do
0 likesYou can’t come at people for eating the meat. We just eating cause they already dead.
0 likesThe ultimate “ratio”
0 likesVeganism is so dumb. Your vegan because you have a choice. ancient humans didnt have that choice. They ate what they hunted or picked. What about the food chain???? Death happens my guy get over yalls self. We need to be worried about humans killing humans rather than what to eat. Also you can't get furious and mock eating meat if we arent allowed to do the same. FREEDOM
0 likesHe said he went from lil nas x to da baby because they both gay 😂
0 likesI also got a yeti nano
0 likesJidion is that dude but the vegan dude was speaking facts. I believe it doesn’t have to be done the way they do slaughter animals it’s really sad
0 likesshould’ve said it was beyond meat but used real meat and only told the stream
0 likesJiDion is a walking W
0 likesR.I.P shaq🕊
1 likeUr like the black Danny Duncan
0 likesBruh you could really just mask what you trynna blur so it doesn’t blur your face 😭
0 likesYour videos make my day bro💯 thank you
0 likeswhat i personally think vegans dont understand is that if we didn’t kill the animals for a means of natural food, then there would be animal overpopulation and the world would be different, the world has been just fine by using animals as a means of healthy food, so i don’t really understand why all of a sudden its a problem now
0 likesjidion could solo goku verse with pranks alone
0 likesthat was a good ass argument
0 likesReal ones seen it on the stream
0 likesI don't eat meat for multiple reasons but still, trolling vegans is too good 😂
0 likesi like j but the bible say i give you green to eat
0 likesIly man
0 likesWtf is a feminist restaurant are all the waiters dudes?
0 likesWow like actually hear you talk about real stuff about the meat and talking about believing and God like bro that's so much respect from ... I dont subscribe to too many but you got mines today
0 likesRespect Jidion that's true we sacrifice in Islam as well.
0 likeswhat is the outro song it kinda fire
0 likesSaucin on YouTube 🔥🔥🔥🔥
0 likesWho else can agree jidion is a better youtuber than danny duncan
0 likesThat vegan guy done messed up with Jidion 😅 just glad Jidion respected his beliefs
0 likesJidion is the best YouTube and believes in the Bible all W’S
0 likesThis vegan clown has no problem killing living plants though 😂😂😂
0 likesBible does not condone slavery lol, slavery was very different the way we see it now. Basically it wasn't as cruel and you were a man for hire with benefits (a lot of slaves were paid and could by their freedom or some would not and they would stay under the care of their (owner) because the quality of life under their household.
0 likesHe cooked his shit 😂😂😂
0 likeshe's a good sport about it
0 likesI caught you on 4k jidion you should be a actor
0 likesIs there such thing as a feminist restaurant?
0 likesEvery moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you
0 likesGenesis 9:3
Not gonna lie , I was eating a fat ass slice of meat lovers pizza while watching this 🤝
0 likesi fw animals but what purpose do they serve other than being a companion. they’re going to pass away either way so we might as well use them to feed people. it’s messed up but it is what it is.
0 likesthe nelk music killed me bro
0 likesThis happens, if you have a discussion with a Prank YouTuber. What on earth did he expect? 😂😂
0 likescareful disussing the bible with these people but also your evidence wasnt accurate. Ancient israel and from the beggining of man with abel and cain presented animal sacrifices but that law was removed and this actually didnt mean that we couldnt consume them before in fact during Noahs time and onward they were able to partake of meat from animals. There have been accounts where Gods people have abstain from meat for instance Jews in Daniels time actually some still follow such law today where they dont eat meat but Gods laws have removed that from being the case and eating meat is permissable.
0 likesI can’t believe that man said mfs who kill animals suffer from ptsd and depression.
0 likesi think we should cancel predators in the animal kingdom because they eat other animals
0 likesLove you broo
1 like1:37 BRUH THE HUG WAS SO RANDOM I Cnt STOP LAUGHING😭😭
0 likesOk so why do animals kill each other and eat each other? Are the animals evil? And why do animals and humans have the enzymes for digesting MEAT. If it wasn’t meant to be, we wouldn’t have omnivore teeth which is a blend of herbivore and carnivorous teeth. The world would be overpopulated! It’s a natural order of nature, a natural law to keep earth from having too much of this and that. Yin and yang.
1 likeHe was pressing tf out the meat
0 likes😂😂😂😂😂
0 likesDid he guy said shot in the head
0 likesThe Dababy at the end🤣🤣🤣🤣
1 likeCow pack 😂😂
0 likesOne day he’s gonna be up there with mrbeast
0 likesI swear this man on another level
0 likesBruh Jidion is smarter than I thought, and that vegan had no idea what he was talking about
0 likesAlthough I do agree that we should minimize killing animals (especially now since a lot are going extinct). Killing animals is literally part of human nature. Our ancestors have been doing it for survival and we’ve been on top of the food chain for centuries.
0 likes“The world can go back to the way it’s suppose to” 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
0 likesBro🤣🤣🤣that was hilarious
0 likesThey had beef with eachother… oh wait
0 likesWe gonna get a meeting lizzo vid soon 😂😂check the whiteboard @3:19
0 likesbiblical slavery had nothing to do with race it was abt money
1 likeNawww I love how he keeps it all good but I woulda started going ham n pissing the vegan dude off more he started to get heated
0 likesMy respect for jiDion standing up for Christians 📈📈📈
0 likesrespect to that guy honestly, made some decent points, i aint checking his vids out cause fuck haveing vegan propoganda in my feeds but fucking legend tbh
1 likeAt the end of day I respect that they had a civil convo thank God and have a blessed day 🙏🏽
0 likesthere is no winning in this argument. It is about what u believe is right or wrong.
0 likesBro u were just at 300k that’s crazy
0 likesJidion came ready for a debate 💯
0 likesBro you could trolled tf outta him in that interview. You got serious w him lmao
0 likesYo jidion actually seemed pretty knowledgeable when it was serious conversation
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nah
0 likesJesus Christ loves you soooo much
0 likesI love this video, defending your opinion and catching him off guard
1 likeI love you no homo socks are on 🧦
0 likesJiDion actually destroyed this guy
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Hardly plus he edited it to seem that way
0 likesYou’re hillarious 🤣🤣🤣.
0 likesIts 100% skillful to kill an animale. Used to work at a butcher shop.
0 likesYo there’s no point in arguing with a Vegan
0 likesThis the only dude to look 38 while hes 19.
1 likeHumans have been predators since god put us on this earth. There is nothing wrong with it! Some people can twist things up in any kind of way just to make a story. Just garbage if u ask me
0 likesunreal, best youtuber 2021
0 likesNotify me when jidion makes a bad vid
0 likesThe very end killed me😭😭😭😭
0 likesVegan guy seems cool, Jidion. Stop talking over buddy and let him explain.
0 likesThis Vegan guy is just like the rest of em. Too stuck up on their OPINION and think other peoples are wrong
0 likesDaBaby
0 likesWhen tf this nigga had a mil subs
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Aye no complaints mane keep that shit going
0 likesU should’ve had him say fu*k Tyrone
0 likesWhen you clap like a 4 year old is funny as hell 😂😂😂
0 likesEating a steak is peaceful to me.
0 likesjidon smart as shit and dumb as shit at the same time i love him
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Its called playin dumb i do it all the time lol
27 likes@YaBoiiMigz ok
5 likes@YaBoiiMigz ok
3 likes@YaBoiiMigz 🤣🤣🤣🤣
2 likes@YaBoiiMigz ok
1 like@YaBoiiMigz that’s sad considering the fact jidion does it for entertainment and you do it just to do it lmao
5 likesVegans must not realize how many animals get killed to grow and harvest their precious soy crops... Hypocrites..
1 likeLolol
0 likesJdion is doing nothing but fucking up Tyrone's shit everyday and and climbing to da top!
0 likesIt does have to happen if it doesn’t they will become over populated then what give them medicine to kill them or let them go to waste no you have to have population control and not let them go to waste
0 likesSo vegans want us to stop slaughtering cows because its life isn’t any less important than ours. Now, why don’t they stop lions from eating gazelles? Don’t gazelle lives matter just as much as cow lives? Oh right, as carnivores, the lions will starve.
0 likesIronically, they’re the same people who say humans are just animals unlike us Muslims (and others) who recognize the special status of humans over animals.
A. Kill the lion.
B. Kill the gazelle.
C. Let us omnivores eat both meat and plants.
whats that guys yt name so that i can dislike his vid rq? pls telll me
0 likesI enjoy watching vegans getting mad
0 likesYeah we kill animals for meat who knew this dude keeps saying "shot in the head" like someone takes a Glock and shoots them in the head point blank or lines them up against a firing wall 🤣 he's definitely is one of those "It's a Holocaust" types
1 likeA dumb fish is nothing compared to Human Intelligence and that dude saying would you eat a human with different DNA, not the same thing, a Chicken like a Mindless Zombie compared to a Human
If it was a Monkey no I wouldn't probably not for intelligent reasons or because they're like us but because it can mess up your DNA and creates new diseases and viruses, all Bush Meat I would avoid at all cost but Farm Animals, pass me that bacon double cheeseburger 😍
And I am not 100% about Farm Animals but Hunting and Fishing I love that, it's way more moral to eat your own kill than pretend it doesn't happen
David actually makes some strong points. Curious though are you Jewish or catholic? Cause I've never heard of sacrificing a lamb. I'm non denominational myself
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It’s a Jewish tradition but it’s in the Bible
1 like@XxxBenGeebox_the finesser appreciate the comment man. Very interested with theology especially with the Christian religion seeing I'm christan myself but as a non demonitstional we don't do the sacrificing of a lamb.
0 likesI gotta meet this nigga jidion
0 likesThat’s like us killing monkeys and eating them. A cow and monkey are both animals but you wouldn’t eat them both.
0 likesThose vegans are tripping lmao
0 likesYou should go to vegan restaurants and make them think your cooking burgers but actually cook impossible burgers kinda like what you just did.
0 likesBruh if we all were vegans we would all starve there would be more animals eating the plants and all of us day shit dumb
0 likesThe Bible says to not eat pork but y’all do it anyways. Your religion is out dated bro. I grew up a Christian until I started doing my own research and life experience.
0 likesBy the way slavery was practiced for animals
0 likesima keep it a buck no one gives a fuck about them animals, everything and everyone dies. unfortunately it was just little piggy’s time to go. its food and we gotta eat
0 likesI’m a vegetarian but I don’t do it cause I feel bad for animals or for health. But I just think it’s weird eating it
0 likesMan 😂😂 what he said about butchers I bout died
0 likesWhat's on that board bro
0 likesIf you bring up the Bible in an argument, you lost already lol
0 likesDaddy
0 likesAlso I don't understand vegans. The way the grow their crops with pesticides to kill off rabbits and deer isn't vegan. And another thing idk why they're like ohhh it's fucked up to slice a pigs throat or shoot it in the head when the same animals will straight up eat your ass ALIVE 💀💀💀
0 likesHow many ppl are high and eating chicken while watching this?
1 likeJudy on 1v1 me in religion debate Scientology vs christianism
0 likesNo offense but usually the people that don’t eat meat or they’re vegan supposedly I will become Karen’s
0 likesWe was put here to survive and we are omnivores so we can eat plants and meats. We probably stabilize the food chain but people have different opinions.
0 likesSuch good energy from Jidion 😂
0 likesAnyone gonna talk about how they don’t shoot them in the head that would ruin the meat
0 likesWe need a jidion ross creations collab
0 likesDude "Cooking a Burger in a Vegan Restaurant is like committing indecent exposure at a Feminist Restaurant" 🤣
1 likeAlso WTF is a "Feminist Cafe" 🤨💀
Bro, I love your videos, I think vegans that try to push their shit on everyone is stupid, but you need to up your debating game
0 likesBro U just gave that guy so much clout 🤦♂️
0 likesDEMARCUS COUSINS!!!!
0 likesPlot twist:
0 likesHe just used the wrapper and cooked and actually burger
“Save the animal kingdom”
0 likesThe animal kingdom: *kills each other*
Plants are living things also since vegans like being technical
0 likesveganism is a cult, any ism is a cult
0 likesI'm in the hospital watching this. Making me feel alot better thank you JiDion
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what happened
0 likes@travis_loves_cougars I had a really bad seizure. A young nigga was chilling and outta no where my body geeked out and I had to get an ambulance to take me. Luckily JiDion had just posted.
0 likes😂😂😂😂😂
0 likesVegan dude reminds me of the villain in the last mission impossible
1 likejidion the man but he really ain’t listening and getting the point.. it’s not about subjectivity, or beliefs. the vegan dudes problem was fundamentally about how jidion disrespected their culture on purpose
0 likesBro I jus learned about ur acc bro ur my favorite YouTuber
0 likesThis dude ^ 😂 bruh… being a Christian means you give your heart to you Jesus. And you care for one Another. God loves you know matter what happens. And you should love him too
0 likesYou bouta get 2k on IG
0 likesAnimals were made to eat.. they don’t feel betrayed or sad when there time comes.. and they are “murdered” or anything bad.. they walk into a room and someone dinks them on the eat and they die😂 like okay they done
0 likesFire fire fire fire fire 🔥
0 likesI’m Going Vegan
0 likesWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
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0 likes1:15 he talkin bout the wrong meat😂
0 likesI’m eating chicken while watching this lol
1 likeDude said “feminist restaurant” like what ???💀
0 likesyou forgot the intro
0 likesOnce the guy said the Bible promotes slavery I stopped hearing him out😹like bro where do these ppl get this info from and why do they never say exactly where in the Bible it says so💀
0 likesJiDion has a good point that the dude didnt understand. The vegan guy said "my view isnt a belief its real, animals get killed in slaughter houses". Thats not the belief, the (vegan dude belief ) belief is that killing animals for food is immoral. Thats completely up to opinion not fact. Who's to say that it is or isn't? It's just up to one's personal views, there isn't a correct/right answer
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The fact is that animals suffer and feel pain and have a strong will to live and maintain their well-being. Those are facts. Now if we can survive and thrive without compromising their well-being then wouldn't you'd say we are morally obligated to do so? If we are capable of surviving and thriving without taking their lives against their will, then the act of taking their lives against their will becomes unnecessary. When you unnecessarily kill them, how can it be justified? Because it tastes good? Because you feel like it? Because you can? Is it a fair justification to take away someone's most valuable experience for our most trivial? I'm really trying to understand your perspective because it seems completely unreal to me. Also you cannot say that animals are something and not someone. A couch is a thing. A cow has a unique personality and experiences their own subjective reality.
0 likesThe bible does not slavery AT ALL, that guy does not know what he’s talking about at all. He’s just a fake stuck up “know it all.” He was literally saying a whole bunch of nothing😂JiDion ate him up
0 likesFirst W vegan activist ive seen
2 likesWhy does this man look just like my 8 yr old brother
0 likesBiggest menace to society 😭😭 Also so proud of how quick your growing and proud to say I was here before a mill
0 likesYou know you made it when people hate/make videos on you
0 likesW vid
0 likesAyo Christian love homie <3
2 likesJidion won that argument 💯
0 likesI want a burger after this video
0 likesYou should have dressed like Marvin from baby boy
0 likesur old pfp was better😪
0 likesI’ll become vegan when every animal becomes vegan
0 likesYOU OWN HIM
0 likesExcellent video bro!!
0 likesIf any Mexican see this I’m sorry for this one cring moment 3:57
0 likesThe only way to ensure an animals safety is to buy or adopt an animal. Just wait until vegans find out about what happens to cats and dogs that never get purchased at shelters
0 likesyoooo JiDion is sounding more educated than ever
0 likesI don't think the vegan knows how the animal industry works.
0 likesWhy doesn't he argue for death row inmates as much as he argues animals.
0 likesall ill say regarding the meat industry is... it is a bit inhumane the way the animals are raised and to a degree there needs to be change but alot of animals that people eat can be considered invasive and to ecosystems and a lot of the time they die its horrible deaths or conditions, multiple animals get frost bite each year from the cold, some animals die of heatstroke or dehydration or get torn to shreds by other animals. Ill just leave it at that, theres points to both sides but as long as you see both sides of the spectrum then you can have a debate from there.
1 likebro do vegans think that animals are just gonna stop getting killed? it honestly makes me laugh
0 likesgo see tyrone
0 likesyour a W man
0 likes8:50 does he mean monkeys? cuz we don’t kill those and eat them 🤨
0 likesVegans don't see that they're also killing plants which are living creatures as well.
0 likesthis dude said animals are shot in the head and have their throats slit every fuckin time he tired to argue 😭
0 likesIt's the food chain bro. Dog eat dog. There's a reason vegans have very slim, unhealthy bodies and most of them don't last 6 months unless they're banging down vitamin and protein supplements. Does it matter if animals were killed? Are vegans pissed at carnivores too? They got shot in the head, instant death, doesn't feel a thing. A wolf may take a bit out of a cow and let it bleed out for hours.
0 likesBangers after bangers.
1 likeRIP street boxing videos
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0 likesI get veganism is a good idea, but people who are vegan are missing out on protein and other necessary nutrients that you get from animals
0 likesDis shit fye no bap
0 likesim so sorry i was eating a 3 patty burger while watching this😣😣😭!
0 likesFr I dont want animals dead but them mfs tasty
1 likeBro was at 500k last week it seems gonna be bigger than Danny Duncan
0 likesHis video was definitely racially motivated
0 likeslmao that ASSC ripoff vegan merch he has though
0 likesthey don’t actually shoot the animal. they knock it out and then slit the throat. not like it matters anyways. they’re delicious
0 likesThey never justified slavery not even once in fact he freed all of his people from being slaves, so idk wtf that bitch was talkin abt and and they mention slaves many times but they its not like the people were ok with it :/
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And the kings had servants not slaves. And those kings served God
0 likes1:15 dang this guy just can’t appreciate BLM huh.
0 likesPOV:It’s still real meat😂
0 likesSeen an argument on how if you take vegan logic being vegan is as bad as not being vegan, I can’t remember there whole points but I remember it being something along the lines of-“plants are living organisms just because they don’t yell when there getting essentially killed doesn’t mean they don’t feel it, yes you can replant but you can also have the animal have babies essentially being the same thing, farmers feed there animals extra proteins to make em more lean and strong and with plants they add shit too.”
0 likesNO FAKE FAZE RUG PRANKS !!!! lil nas x ~~>to da baby
1 like"omg dont take the pigs life we dont agree on killing things for food" proceeds to kill living plants like stfu
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Plants aren’t sentient, they don’t feel pain and suffer.
0 likes@n no shit
0 likesGOD bless
0 likesI’m eating my burger rn
0 likesLove how you said the truth and stuff good video
0 likesWhy is this dude acting like people kill animals in the most brutal ways they do it as tranquil as possible
0 likesYou believe in God JiDion????? Shoooot ima sub for that 😤
0 likesBro stock your merch, I wanna by your fucking merch
1 likeThe mans a satanist look he has that goat head on his screen
0 likeswe ALMOST SEEN THE BANGER BOARD
1 likeHe got em with the religion part
0 likesBro you caught his ass when you brought up religion 😭💀I was thinking the same thing right before you mentioned it lol
0 likesDa baby
0 likesVegans so stupid, good for content tho 😂
1 likeIt’s funny how people care about animals more than human lives
0 likesdude shoots like 4th quarter kobe😭
0 likes1:51 LMFAO this dude got hit with that “am I gay” ad😂😂😂
0 likesI just wanna point out that eating meat advanced our race of mammal into more a more intellectual, stronger and more advanced race. Before meat, we were more simpler herbivores that just ate fruit and were on the level of lesser apes, until we started scavenging and eating marrow from the bones of carcasses that other carnivores left behind. Once we started realizing we can also eat other animals to survive all the extra calories and vitamins and such put forth to making our brains larger and more advanced, along with our bodies becoming bigger and stronger.
0 likesAnimals get their throats slit and shot in the head. So do humans. . .doesn’t mean I’m going to stop eating them.
0 likesDababy
0 likesHe said “Bro I had to, bro I had to get your ass.” 😂🤣🤣
1 likeIts called the food chain
0 likesW
0 likespost 2 times a week 😕
0 likes1:50 are u gay?
0 likesOkay but plants are alive too 🤔 There have been studies that show plants will become bitter if animals are grazing up wind of it. Just because we don't understand the intricate mathematical language doesn't mean they aren't communicating. Never made sense to me why vegans think its okay to eat one living organism and not another.
0 likesWow. Outside the pranks you are a very smart guy. Also I’m so glad you are a brother in Christ!! I wish I would’ve been on this stream
1 likeWe eating animals but we eating Mother Nature now who’s really wrong? 🤨
0 likesWIDION NEW VID
0 likes“the bible justifys slavery. u know that right?” is a crazy retort
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Well the Bible acknowledges slavery it does not justify it. Remember the Bible is some ancient writings so it was made when slavery was just as normal as eating. It was a every day life thing that was normal. What the Bible talks about slavery but they don’t condemn it as it is obviously old writing. Yet again slavery can come in different names cough cough( Saudi workers)
0 likesI mean the weird vegan dude was right ab the whole out dated thing in the Bible. but that was in the Old Testament Jesus has not came and died for us yet. so we had to kill animals basically as like a repentance to god, but now that he has died for us, we go by the 10 commandments which is the “modern law of the Bible” and if god had us kill animals then it’s not bad bc we are doing it for god.
0 likesIdk but hopes that helps lmao
1:11 this man is giving you free content ideas
1 likeFOLLOW THE INSTA
1 likeI think you should bye a cow and keep them as a pet inna video next🤣
0 likesAyyyyoooo, where the Christians at? You had a great point, I’ll give you that. At the end of the day everybody has their own beliefs.
0 likesHe def took blm outta his bio
0 likesJidion is the best content creator out rn Noo doubt
0 likeswe need a jidion - baylen levine collab
0 likesJiDion is the best
0 likesThe bible doesnt justify slavery what does this dude talking about. Slaves in the bible where people that owed a debt to someone and didn't have money to pay
0 likesW Jidion for respecting and using vegan meat or whatever it wad
0 likesI’m eating a burger while watching this 😌
0 likesturned into a debate rq :skull:
0 likesBro f him
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And tyron
0 likesCry
0 likesbro idk how many times he came up with slit there throat excuse
0 likesF*ck all dat I’m eatin tf outta animals thank ya
0 likesJiDion cures my depression
1 likeVegans man
0 likesIt’s an opinion to want to save animals but a long time ago humans had to kill animals for food to survive. It was a survival instinct that became natural. It’s been in our dna since the first kill of an animal. So for a group of people to say it’s wrong is just an opinion and at the end of the day we all have different opinions
0 likesHe realizes that the animals don’t get shot in the head so we can eat them. They don’t get shot at all… they are just slaughtered
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Is getting your throat slit better than being shot?
0 likesWhat you believe is your reality. This man is so caught up on veganism he can’t think clearly
0 likesGreat video Jidion
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Unfortunately it’s not the reality for the rest of the world and the animals suffering.... ironic
0 likesIM DA BABAY
0 likesDa baby
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0 likesEverybody just tryna find someone else produce content off of 😂 that guy’s excited he’s actually right about somthing 😂
0 likesJiDion THE GOAAAT
0 likesYou better see tyron and that video needs to firee
0 likesYou better go see Tyron!!
0 likesShaq proud now bro
0 likesDababy
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0 likesPodcast jidion facts 🤣🤣smart for a moment
0 likesdamn vegans, meat is to good not to eat..
0 likesANOTHER ABSOLUTE BANGER 🎉🎉🎉
0 likesYou should’ve made him say fuck Tyrone
0 likesJiDion Dababy Demarcus Cousins
0 likesIt's fine for a Vegan to protest inside McDonald's but it's bad if someone brings meat in a vegan restaurant
0 likes“From lil nas x to dababy rq”
0 likesThis guys says the Bible justifies slavery when it goes into detail about all humans equal and should love and live with one onother?
0 likesThe vegan looks weak and sick bro. It’s probably the no meat diet
0 likesBro I will cop your merch for my Bday in September make sure there in stock 😆
0 likesBoom!
0 likesREPENTNOWANDTRUSTJESUSCHRISTOURLORDANDSAVIORPLEASE
0 likesW upload Jidion
0 likesBussin down an 8-piece nugget watching this 🥵
0 likeswe just gonna ignore him hugging some random old lady😭
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0 likesMUSLIM REP GET ME ON THAT PODCAST JIDON I CAN DESTROY HIS POINTS especially about religon being outdated I can destroy his argument 😂
0 likesWatching this while I'm eating a big mac 🤣🤪
0 likesThe problem is vegan's will tell you eating a burger is the equivalent of murdering a cow, but the cow's already dead. If i don't eat the burger it's not gonna miraculously bring the cow back to life, it's just gonna waste the meat.
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I’m not vegan. But the more people that do become vegan, the less people eat meat, which means demand for meat will go down and thus less cows will have to be killed eventually.
0 likesthis man does not give one f***
0 likesThat vegan guy was kinda chill compared to the other vegan people we see on the internet these days
0 likesWhen a serious person and an unserious person it is always funny.
1 likeThis white boy is irrelevant.
0 likesJiDion your so hot
1 likeit’s a way of balancing the population. Not killin animals is gonna overpopulate animal species and for example cows dying of natural cause and decaying is a waste . Where instead of lettin then go to waste , that meat can be used for humans hunger .
0 likesVideo made me like JiDion so much more and I love this guy
0 likesFood is food y cry about it holy shit we need it to survive
0 likesWhy do vegans thing God put animals on this earth? To eat then die? It’s so we can enjoy a fat ass hamburger whenever we want.
0 likesThis vegan guy is a chump. These are domestic animals that are killed for the consumption of humans. They are not just killed for no reason. It’s completely normal and it’s the same thing as in every food chain in the animal kingdom. We humans just like every other predator need to eat too survive so there is no reason to not eat meat.
0 likesI eat meat and he eats the animals food
0 likesYou and Danny Duncan should do a vid together
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0 likesThe amount of animals are gettin shot in the head and get there throats slit
0 likesJidion. my favorite dude on YouTube
0 likesmy boi
0 likesI never understood y vegans won’t buy meat bc it goes against killing animals like they already dead
0 likesIts true you are the crazyiest person out there btw i was here at 300k subs
0 likesI’m fuckin weak
0 likesJust to let everyone know at slaughter houses they shoot the cow/pig in the head and they die instantly and dont feel anything.
0 likesDope outro, then dababy comment had me rollin
0 likesHold up jidion actually just popped tf off on the guy
0 likesI can’t lie, this made me want a fat burger! I don’t like how animals are killed, I love animals, but God put them here for us to eat!
0 likesGivin you great content ideas w the feminist cafe
0 likestoo political lmao but he’s some what write abt the bible, it’s been written hella times by random ppl and most of the shit in there is old
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You don't understand what your talking about. Simply because something is old, does not mean it is wrong. The Bible was not written a bunch of times, and they where not random people, it was translated into different languages by many very intelligent and professional transcribers. You have been brainwashed to hate Christianity, yet you don't even truly know it..
0 likesOutro song ?
0 likesPpl are straight cry babies bruh 😂😂 lmao. How they sit there and try n make u feel like you just killed this animal and took a shit on the corpse. Like lions and shit don’t exist. Some animals are in this planet as pray, fuckin deal with it
0 likespositive jidion >
0 likesIf I was a farmer & I raised farm animals and gave them the best life they can have all the way up until they die of natural causes or old age or whatever and then I decided to eat and butcher it , would that make vegans upset still ?
0 likesThis dude is braindead he didn't pay for it to be murked it was already murked and there is nothing u can do to stop them from being murked all he did was buy and eat it
0 likesIm vegan and this is funny
0 likesGod created animals to eat and pets to love simple
0 likesDude should've been like "Do you think you'd like meat in your mouth?"😂
1 likePull out relativism next time jidion. Just say “ we won’t be able to know what’s good without the bad and vice versa so you they can’t say it’s bad or it’s good
1 likeJidion went from trolling to having a serious debate
0 likesI watched this video eating porkchops
0 likesMama went from 998k-1.1M in like 5 days
0 likesthis vegan guy gets mad about the video online, and then expects Jidion to have to explain why he would be so evil for eating the animals that were put on this earth for us and other animals to eat. and the thing is, he did explain it, and the guy was dumbfounded. good job Jidion, good job.
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If god wants humans to eat animals why did he give them the ability to feel pain and suffer while giving humans a brain to think and notice their pain and suffering. It’s not 10,000 BCE. Humans have evolved to have morals—unlike other animals—so use them. We stopped slavery in US, we gave women the right to vote, we allow gay marriage, etc. We continue to stop forms of oppression.
0 likesLions and other true carnivores cannot get heart disease or have a stroke/heart attack. What is the number 1 killer in humans…heart disease. What are the main contributors to heart disease…eating meat, dairy, and eggs.
Humans have spit on god’s creations by selectively breeding them. The modern day egg laying hen came from domesticating the red junglefowl. The animal used to naturally lay 12-15 eggs per year. Humans have manipulated them to produce 200-300 eggs per year. Most die from diseases like osteoporosis or prolapse. Look up chick culling and tell me that’s what god wants. Their life is not yours to take. Just because a person wants something doesn’t give them the right to take it from someone else. Animal agriculture is hurting the environment, our health, and the nonhuman animals. Those are signs from god that we should stop.
The meat industry is using the same tactics the tobacco companies were using. Propaganda is everywhere; I employ you research what you are funding. https://dontwatch.org/
The bible's "slavery" was associated with debt slavery, in which a debtor would basically sign contracts based on what they owed. They would typically do this when they amassed a large debt they couldn't pay. Stealing and selling human beings was actually a capital offense as well as returning fugitives to their masters, according to the Old Testament. Exodus 21:16 says, “Whoever steals a man and sells him, and anyone found in possession of him, shall be put to death.” Deuteronomy 23:15–16 says: You shall not give up to his master a slave who has escaped from his master to you. He shall dwell with you, in your midst, in the place that he shall choose within one of your towns, wherever it suits him. You shall not wrong him.” I understand the confusion with todays connotation with the word slavery, but historical context is key. Anyways, banger vid🔥
2 likesHe was really nice
1 likeThey aren’t saving animals they still get slaughtered at the same rate and it’s not like they are endangered
0 likesThis guys an idiot the animals will be killed either way might as well eat it
0 likesGuga be like no I like my steaks
0 likesI got big respect for most vegans they the big homies
0 likesBut JiDion is the bigger homie
uhhhh yea daddy ummm
0 likesJiDion is my favorite god first
0 likesW I. The chat
0 likesW VEGAN W JIDION
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0 likesA feminist cafe lol 😂
0 likesGod gave us the animals for us to eat. Only eat the clean ones and not the unclean. Animals don’t have souls 🐔 🍖
1 likeI was vegan for four years and as a black man I would like to apologize to the entire black community for my insubordination idk wtf I was thinking but damn it am I glad to back #fucktyrone
0 likesWe usually aim for the heart…. The head is a trophy LOL
0 likesWhy is it okay for animals to kill each other, but we can't kill animals?
0 likesask for a sample of a one flavor or item and order a complete dff item
0 likesI hate vegans it’s so dumb
0 likesLove this guy😂😂
0 likesSome animals should not be killed for eating purposes like dogs cats birds elephants lions tigers and more things that are ok is cows pigs lamb goat they are meant to be food dogs cats and the others are pets u don’t see a bird or lion in a restaurant you may see cat in China or Japan I know I’ve seen it there God put these animals for us you need the meat base protein and fibers to have a healthy baby plant base protein do not provide enough nutrients to fully provide a healthy body and the reason why I believe it’s ok to eat meat is because God put them here for us so we can survive I used to be a vegan until I read the Bible I also believe that unless your going to eat the animal u should not kill it that’s evil
0 likesYou mean you’re just like Kodak cause it doesn’t make sense
0 likesu should try different title names to make it more watchable cuz all these videos be entertaining its just the thumbnail and title barely pull u in nd i think thats the problem
0 likesimma still eat meat i dont care lol
0 likes"This cow pack smacking"😭😭😭
0 likesI hate how humans are like “don’t kill the poor pig, what did it do for you” Bro if that pig wasn’t domesticated it wouldn’t think twice about you. Being an Apex predator is being an Apex Predator. We wouldn’t be here playing nice, we got here fighting tooth and nail.
0 likesSmart guy once said we ain't nothin but mammals
0 likesI was going to pay my car note on the 24th but instead im buy merch🙏🏼 @JiDion
0 likesRespect for Jidion man! Christian gang.
0 likes1:38 so random lmao
0 likesOn my momma I’m eating beef watching this😭😭
0 likes(VIDEO IDEA) Act homeless and when they say they don’t got cash, pull out a card reader
0 likesshit on him
0 likesMans has a antisocial shirt on : gets very social
0 likesIk Jidion was f*cling around with David but he actually had good points, he’s smart asf😂
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what good points?
0 likesJiDion lowkey smarter than i thought bro is so well spoken
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0 likesLmfao I swear no vegan or anyone was offended by JIdion video except that guy 🤦 also another w video 🤣🔥
1 likei’m not vegan because if i was that doesn’t help the animals
0 likesAs a vegetarian I was bouta be pissed at this video, last one had me heated too, but the beyond meat move is actual jokes. You got my respect back.
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If you can harass resteraunts and people trying to eat their food peacefully, we can at least cook some food in your vegan places.
0 likes@Roger the Cock Machine Don't you think there's a difference between vegans going to protest to a restaurant and non-vegans going to harass people in vegan restaurants? Veganism is not about vegan people. Veganism is about animals, the victims of meat and other animal products. Vegans are protesting against non-vegans because vegans are defending animals from unnecessary suffering. Non-vegans are protesting against vegans because...non-vegans wants to cause unnecessary suffering to animals? I really don't get it.
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0 likesAt the rate these animals are dying it is messed up, but at the end of the day it’s the circle of life. Just like these animals are killing other animals to survive.
0 likesone of the most realest youtubers !!!
0 likesShoulda made the vegan guy say fuck Tyrone 😂
0 likesJiDion acting like a fool and spitting truths... I think he'd have gotten along with John the Baptist.
0 likesWe cant slit animals throats? Bet lets beat em to death
0 likesOkay but jidion really pranked him then killed him with his religion rebuttal. What a legend
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There are no victims when believing in jesus. There are victims when not going vegan.
0 likesNow you may say animals don't have enough moral worth to be considered a victim. Consider the "name that trait" argment.
The argument says it name a trait in animal, that if that trait existed in a human then it would justify eating the human for some bacon made from human. Remember that we are not talking about survival situations and that humans can be healthy on a vegan diet.
One example is a fish's intellegence. If a human had a fish's intellegence would that morally justify killing the that human for a meal just for taste and not for survival.
You mentioned monkeys? If humans lived in the jungle? If humans had tails? If a human had the same level of intellegence as a monkey?
The conclusion is that we can't actually justify uneccassarily killing animals because of any specific animal traits. It's a lie we tell ourself to make it okay to eat a tasty meal rather than eat a less tasty meal (maybe).
imagine that was real meat but u showed the beyond meat package lmfao
0 likesMy man is a goat I just realized it a bit to late.
2 likesYou got a sub
I dont care that animals get shot in the head, at least that death isnt as painful as another animal biting and eating the shit out of the other
1 likeJidion the goat
0 likesHow is veganing saving animals if you are eating their food? You'd be killing more animals by taking their food
1 likeDoes the vegan activist even know how animals are butchered? Not even close to all animals are shot to be butchered
0 likesAyo I not judging but what’s on JiDions phone at 1:50😳
0 likesJidion is literally the best Youtuber no fazeruggrn
0 likesWhy are animals on this earth? To shit and piss and fuck around? No, god put them so we can have food, proteins, and carbs. I shot a deer straight in the head and that mf ran a mile I think they have so much adrenaline they don’t feel anything. God isn’t gonna put something on this earth to be specifically killed to hurt and feel pain.
1 likeJidion is good W in the chat glory to god everything he has accomplished to you jidion good job
0 likesAnother Jidion video, my day keeps getting better. Bro this man gave me confidence to talk to girls. Thanks bro
0 likesBruh imagine Tyrone vs this vegan mans
2 likesThis vegan guy was so triggered 😭 💀 bro who asked for his opinion
0 likesmy new youtuber no 🧢 🔥🔥🔥🔥
0 likesDamn bro went out to buy a new grill 😂 what happened to the last one 😂😂
0 likesjidon such a daddy
0 likesDude was 100 hot about religion
0 likesStill got a bald ass head tho 😂😂
0 likesBro do vegans help anything? 🤣🤣 there’s still gonna be people that eat meat, and that’s just how it is vegans gotta understand
1 like🤣😂🤣🤣 this is why JiDion is the best YouTuber frfr 💯
0 likesVegan guy was spitting facts though
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That's what I'm saying this actually isn't funny just being an asshole, old jidion was so funny too.
2 likesBruh he took this video so serious
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0 likesFuck you for this short video but I still liked it
0 likesTHIS IS HIGHKEY MY FAV VID FROM U DAWG 🔥🔥🔥
0 likesBro i eat meat and all but that boy David lowkey won via TKO (10-8 Round)
1 likeI lost brain cells after you said it was a prank
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0 likesRespect you for believe in the Bible bro!!! God bless you!
0 likesGuys a snowflake 😂
0 likesI’m surprised you didn’t have him say fuck Tyrone at the end
0 likesI disagree i want to be vegan for meat but i love meat
0 likesHe was a cool guy
0 likesBruh he dumb he really said you went from lil Nas to Dababy he must not know that Dababy is the best
0 likesJidion please make merch in kids sizes I’m trynna cop 😂
0 likesViiiiiraaaaallllll!!!
0 likes4:40 THIS MAN REALLY USED THE OG NELK SONG
0 likesI am a Muslim and here is my take. Jidion I hope you read this my Christian brother! His argument that the Bible, or any religions teachings are morally 'wrong' because they come from a different time period to now is a fallacy. The truthfulness of a position is not dictated by the time in which it was created at all. Im sure that dude believes in democracy, and that is a concept older than the Bible and Quran, so why doesn't he denounce democracy on the same basis and call it 'outdated.'
0 likesFurthermore, his logic is self-defeating, because it would make all PRESENT moral positions wrong because one day they will become moral positions of the past, once time passes. So he inevitably is arguing against himself.
The other fallacy he used was relying on the harm principle.
Other then that, a very compelling argument can be made against vegans, when questioned on their worldview it is clear it is hard to philosophically justify their beliefs as objective in any way, especially without the anchorage of God.
Here is a discussion between a muslim and vegan on whether their whole perception of animal rights can be justified.
https://youtu.be/tLyY2Y7p2-s
It was small disturbance but bruh he didn't kill nothing and if the meat wasn't bought it'd be wasted
0 likesPulled pork is pretty lit
0 likesBible doesn’t justify slavery lol God was obviously against it in the Bible. But also that slavery wasn’t the same slavery as it was in America
0 likesVegan doesn’t make sense. People have always hunted and eaten animals and it has never been a problem. Our bodies were always made to eat meat.
0 likesDudes lost
0 likesIf the Bible "justified" slavery, than, "All men are created equal", would not be written in it. The whole book of Exodus shows how God helped his people get away from being slaves!
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Listen....stop it.. the bible does justify slavery...
19 likes@Lonnie Boyd it doesn’t
68 likes@tyriquethefreak VEVO it does slave owner changed it
4 likes@Genesis it doesn’t you’ve probably never even read the Bible god doesn’t justify slavery he freed the Hebrew slaves that were in Egypt through Moses
66 likes@Genesis also slave owners tried to use the Bible and twist it into their own words to justify slavery the actual Bible does not try to justify slavery
51 likesLOL just shut up and enjoy the video. I don't want a pointless religious argument in the comments.
6 likes@caleb honey didn’t know going to heaven was pointless Lmaoo
18 likesya dumb lol slavery in the bible means indentured servitude - everyone thinks of american slavery of african americans as the definition of slavery but it changed over time
14 likes@Perc AI Music and indentured servitude involves a contract there’s no contract between a relationship with you and god
1 like@Sniffhole97 Listen kid. I was a disciple group leader in a church for a number of years and lead a lot of people to the assumption that there was a god. I used to debate atheists all day every day. I knew and know way more than you just judging by your comments. I read books recommended by my atheist friends since they attended bible study. Eventually, after several years of reading their books, I realized I was an atheist. I put a lot of thought into this and it was an emotional rollercoaster. The words "lmao" are against your precious ten commandments, so you are a hypocrite who is not even trying to uphold the bible or your 'savior's' wishes. I do not have a problem with the concept of a god. I do not care, but shoving it in people's faces every chance you can via comment or irl does nothing, but turn them away. You will learn one day, or when you pass at whatever age you will be ignorant.
2 likesMy apologies, I realize I'm doing the same thing you are doing by arguing in comments about a senseless topic. I'll stop wasting both of our time
1 like@caleb honey and lmao isn’t anything against the commandments
7 likes@caleb honey you became worldly and easily manipulated by everyone in this world being a true follower is the hardest thing and I admit I’m not perfect at all I sin all the time I’m not even close Christians get shit on they always have a true follower will be hated following god is hard and you will definitely be hated for it I know that as the Bible says garbage of the earth
15 likes@caleb honey I’m not a true follower yet or a missionary yet so idk how I could convince you when I haven’t helped others and I mean I want you to go to heaven man and I’m easily manipulated by the world too everyone is it’s so easy being worldly it feels good and all social media I see hates on Christianity if I talk about it to my friends I’m weird my friend lost friends by just explaining it to them and his experience he had in Egypt as a missionary he wasn’t shoving it down their throats either just explaining his experience and when they were hanging they thought he was weird for not smoking or drinking so idk it’s different in certain areas ig
4 likes😂 y’all are funny saying the Bible justifies slavery and lmao goes against the 10 commandments like bro we’re talking about the Bible not some 1500s white guys how to do life book
5 likestell god i said hi
0 likes@Lonnie Boyd His argument where the Bible justifys slavery is incorrect. Bible protected slaves. Slavery was way different back then, lemme explain. Back then people became slaves of there own free will because they would be provided shelter a place to stay, food etc, so people became slaves of there own free will, the Bible never once said go make someone a slave against there will. The Bible protected slaves from death and things like that. You can’t take the Bible out of context. So the Bible never justified bad slavery, it justified good slavery and I’ll explain one more time, people became slaves of there own free will back then yes some people forced people as slaves but they were disobeying God because God never said go make someone ur slave without there consent. So the Bible encouraged good slavery where the slaves were protected not encourage bad slavery where the slaves could be killed. I’ll say it one more time, people signed a contract of there own free will to become a slave And in return they would recive shelter food etc. God protected slaves from death and things like that with his rules on slavery.
2 likesThe Bible teaches that the only condition to be saved is belief in Jesus Christ. It is not of yourself. It's nothing you do. Being a Christian is not about turning over a new leaf or "not sinning" Everyone on earth is human, Christian or otherwise, and we will never be perfect. Of course the Bible teaches that we SHOULDN'T sin, but that is not how you get saved. Salvation is a free gift that you accept once. The Bible compares it to drinking a glass of water. It is a gift from God that was paid for by Jesus's blood that was shed on the cross for all of us. All you have to do is put your whole faith and trust on Jesus Christ as your savior!
2 likes@caleb honey how are you going to say what you don’t want in the comments boy this isn’t your video
0 likes@Yoshifire8 how is salvation only through Christ when Christ himself never stated that that was the case?
0 likes@caleb honey why don’t you believe in God?
0 likes@Yoshifire8 OK...lets see how truthful you are....when Israel left Egypt and was terrorising the other established civilisations plundering and committing genocide claiming there 'so called promised land' they never gathered slaves? Lets see how honest you are.. Did any of their future kings have any slaves from their conquered lands?
0 likesExodus 21:20
0 likes@Perc AI Music most people know that already but it still doesnt justify exodus 21:20
0 likes@caleb honey bro no one cares what you want, why you acting like this your vid 😭😭
1 likeLonnie Boyd quote it than buddy ?
0 likesThat's why its a bunch of contradictory and bs it does justify slavery
1 likeAnyone who says the Bible Justifies slavery has no proof of such a thing. God created everyone equal, EVERYONE, no matter who you are, what you've done, God loves you, so much he died for you so you could live in PARADISE for eternity. All you have to do is ask for forgiveness and ask for Jesus to be your savior. Yes, Slavery is mentioned in the Bible, but, no where does God say it's right.
1 like@Wyatt Harp exodus 21:20 I mean if that isnt straight up a justification of slavery then idk what is not only is it mentioned that that the slave is the owners property (I know that back in the day it was indentured servitude still doesnt justify anything) but also that its okay to beat your slave here you go there is the justification
1 like@caleb honey nobody cares about you and what you want lmaoo
0 likes@kafkesque The entirety of Exodus 21 are Gods "Laws about Slaves". This chapter is designated to a certain people that existed a long time ago, not to mention you just said yourself that this is indentured servitude, which is different than slavery. God set these rules because he cared about these people and did not want slave owners to mistreat their slaves. The slavery that took place in America was different because the mindset was, that because one had darker skin, they were inferior, therefore they were to be segregated and made into slaves, which is absolutely wrong. Again God says all men are created equal which clearly states he is against what we define today as slavery.
0 likesPolo Jack Dude...King Solomon had an entire slave camp building all his palaces and cities! Gosh people are serious here? And thats just one king... all the others had slaves... it was nothing out of the ordinary at all...1 Kings 9:15-17.
1 likethat is fax
0 likes@Lonnie Boyd Ephesians 6:5 is the only verse that is remotely close to justifying slavery,and that wasn’t even the point of the verse people misunderstood it
0 likes@Wyatt Harp ''God set these rules because he cared about these people and did not want slave owners to mistreat their slaves'' You cant be serious did you even read exodus 21:20 '' Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property'' this is literally undefendable you cant say to me that because it is indentured servitude this is moral or permissible like come on
0 likes@kafkesque Remember I said "these laws are for a certain people that existed a long time ago." Back then having slaves was normal, since it was normal, there had to be rules. Wikipedia:
0 likes"Indentured servitude is a form of labor in which a person (an indenture) agrees to work without salary for a specific number of years through a contract for eventual compensation or debt repayment." These "Slaves agreed to work for something, not nothing." If they disobey their keeper, they have to be punished. That was just the way things were, but their keeper could not beat them to death. That is all that verse states. No where in the Bible does God state that slavery, (not the same as indentured servitude), is right. God set laws out for a certain people to have a stable economy that consisted of indentured servitude or "slavery" as they called it back then. When people talk about slavery today, they are referring to nonconsensual work for nothing.
@Wyatt Harp Dude... those slaves were captured peoples... have you read Exodus? When Israel captured those nations... your options were slavery or death... EVERYONE..women,children,men.... those Israelites were committing genocide on the regular. If your option was slavery or death.. you think that is a choice? Don't even come at me saying they never committed genocide. just stop
0 likes@Lonnie Boyd Yes, Israel conquered different lands, I never disagreed with that. All I am saying is that those things happened a very long time ago where things were very different. I am saying someone cannot use that as an example for "the Bible justifying slavery" because it is a different concept today. Israel did a lot of things that made God angry. In fact, most of the things Israel did made God mad because they were acting foolish. The first few books of the old testament, (after Genesis), talk about these scenarios.
0 likes@Wyatt Harp first of all god is an omniscient being that is the source of the objective truth and consequentialy the objective morality, so time doesnt matter because back then having people as property in exchange for things like debt was normal that doesnt excuse god not condemning indentured servitude. Not only did god not condenm it but he set rules that are so obscure like this ''Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property'' that rule is definetely immoral and unjustifiable and excuses a behaviour that shouldnt be excused
0 likes@kafkesque First of all, time does matter, because people and their beliefs obviously change over time, and people don't always do what God wants. The Ten Commandments would be an example of "objective morality" because it has lasted forever, that is why a 2 year old knows it's wrong to steal a cookie from the cookie jar, because "morality" is part of the conscience. People's beliefs are based on morality, but are also based on opinions. Exodus 21:16 states: "“Whoever steals a man and sells him, and anyone found in possession of him, shall be put to death." I already explained Exodus 21:20.
0 likes@kafkesque Galations 5:1 - "For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore, and do not submit again to a yoke of slavery." Here is the modern take.
0 likes@kafkesque Also: Luke 4:18: “The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he has anointed me to proclaim good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim liberty to the captives and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty those who are oppressed."
0 likes@Wyatt Harp In which universe does a Jew think he's equal to everyone else? Tell me one Jew who thinks he's equal to other nationalities... Aren't they the CHOSEN people? dude be honest. Jews... gentiles etc... equality is not a concept the bible preaches.
0 likes@Lonnie Boyd I know nothing of the way Jews act or see themselves, because, I am not one. Being the "Chosen people" does not mean they are better than everyone else, I am not sure what it means, but if I had to guess, I would say they have some role in the End Times. If someone sees themself as better than someone else, they are in the wrong. The Bible absolutely teaches equality. James 2: 8-9, "If you really keep the royal law found in Scripture, “Love your neighbor as yourself,” you are doing right. 9 But if you show favoritism, you sin and are convicted by the law as lawbreakers.", Leviticus 19: 33-34: “ ‘When a foreigner resides among you in your land, do not mistreat them. The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.
0 likesit was just a contextless rebuttal that didn't strengthen the value of his argument
0 likes@Wyatt Harp I'm talking about the Jews in the bible times... you know... the Pharisees and Saducees? not modern times... this discussion is about books in the bible and the culture condoning slavery and the principles of slavery. Yes the Jews didn't like being slaves but they sure as hell didn't mind enslaving gentiles and killing them.
0 likes@Lonnie Boyd The Pharisees and Saducees were constantly in the wrong because they kept misinterpreting what Jesus said and taking the things he said too literal. When Jesus was teaching on Earth, he had a lot of problems with the Pharisees and tried to let them know of the foolish things they were doing!
0 likes@Lonnie Boyd it really doesn’t
0 likesReligion is entirely faith based, so anyone that looks for facts and science can not be convinced
0 likesOk some of you are very confused. The Bible does indeed state that it is ok to have slaves, but you must release them after a certain time ( not sure the exact time) or when they clear their debts. Slavery in the Bible was never racially motivated or cruel as it was just recently. Slavery in the Bible referred to people who had a debt to you so they would offer part of their lives in service. The Bible also clearly states that slaves were to be treaded as humans and even loved as equals. Slavery in the Bible was more like servitude unlike how America made slavery a cruel, unsanctioned, perverse tool for oppressing a race and people. And for those that say that slavery based on decent is found in the Bible, they are right, but God didn’t like that kind of slavery and would try to liberate them or set conditions for it to become more civilized such as freeing them after a while.
1 likeExodus 21:20 20 “Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, 21 but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property.”
1 likeHave fun with that one!
Polo Jack You’re comparing beating someone to an inch of their life (w/o consequence btw) with disciplining a child. LMAO
0 likesMosaic law was given, and by extension condoned, by God. Try again.
@That guy It doesn't really matter if "Jesus said it" in the Bible or not. All of the Bible is God's word so it is all correct (except of course in cases where it is a human person speaking). Also, Jesus says in Luke 19:10 that he came to seek and save the lost.
0 likes@Lonnie Boyd My comment is not about slavery being right or wrong. It's just about being saved. In my eyes, whatever God does is right no matter what we think of it. He is perfect and I am imperfect. Either way, the Bible clearly teaches a different form of slavery than what we commonly think of. There are several verses in the Bible teaching people to treat their bondservants equally and fairly. Also, the Bible does not say that masters "own" their servants or that they are sub-human. This was a different time and we don't know the exact dynamic of these relationships. It's not well-documented. All I know is that the Bible is true and I believe it. That's all. As a Christian, I hold that the new testament supersedes the old testament anyway, and the new covenant teaches liberty and freedom.
0 likes@Sniffhole97 have you ever seen heaven?
0 likes@Yoshifire8 it does matter if Jesus said it or not. I asked a specific question therefore I want a specific answer. Why would I care if mark or any of the Bible writers calls Jesus God? It doesn’t make him God just because someone calls him God. If he truly was God then he himself would substantiate that through his actions and words. Moreover you can claim all of the Bible is God’s words yet you didn’t prove it. Also what does that last verse prove? He was a prophet so that was his duty. All the prophets had a similar task. Doesn’t prove he’s God. Plus my point was very specific as to why I wanted Jesus himself to say such a thing. The person claimed salvation is only through Christ. If this really was the case then why didn’t Jesus himself say it? He clearly states that salvation is with the father
0 likes@That guy You can't really "prove" Jesus is God. That's why its called having faith. However, your statements are flawed because Jesus says that "no man cometh to the Father but by me". I believe in the trinity, God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit. They are all God but in three separate beings with different roles. Jesus is God. Jesus is our path to salvation. John 3:17 says that the world is saved through Jesus. If you believe every word of the Bible and believe it is divinely inspired this seems perfectly clear to me. Also, you said Jesus would substantiate that He is God through his actions and words, however this would be counter-intuitive to Jesus's entire existence. He was God in the flesh, living among us as a human. He was tempted by sin just like us. And anyway, Jesus ascends up to Heaven after he is resurrected and it says He is seated at the right hand of God. That sounds clear to me. I think we are differing in views on the trinity here I guess.
0 likes@Yoshifire8 The mental gymnastics that's you're doing is... that you are not acknowledging that it was illegal to own Jewish slaves during those days... the slaves were all people from captured nations... their options were death or slavery... how is that any different from slavery in America? If all men were considered equal then Jew could purchase Jewish slaves . The slaves of that time had none of the citizen's rights and privileges either... I'd even say the modern slave owners treated slaves even better.
0 likes@Yoshifire8 how can you claim that you can’t prove that Jesus is God? That should be easy considering the fact that people like you reiterate that he is God constantly. That verse you brought up doesn’t prove your point. Who is the final destination in that verse? The father. Not Jesus. To get through the father you must go through Jesus which isn’t a problem because at that time Jesus was the prophet for his people so of course he would be the bridge of sorts to get to the father. But at the end of the day the final destination is the father and not Jesus. Again why are you quoting John to prove Jesus’s divinity? Who is John? What are his credentials? Why is he a reliable source of information that we should trust? Did God affirm John? These are questions you must answer or else your just quoting another guy. I’m not sure if your aware or not but I’m not a Christian. I don’t believe in the complete reliability of the Bible nor do I take it as the complete word of God. We aren’t differing on views of the trinity because I don’t believe in it to begin with. Also can you show me when Jesus says he sits at the right hand of God? Also Your justification as to why Jesus doesn’t prove that he’s God isn’t making sense. I simply said to prove that he is God through his actions or words. All you would have to do is quite a simple and clear verse where this is the case. Not that complicated.
1 like@That guy The entire way you are approaching the Bible is incorrect because you do not have the Holy Spirit. Simple as that. You are looking for direct statements from specific people and using that as proof for your case. That is not how I read the Bible, nor how you are supposed to read the Bible. You are taking an overly literal and scholarly view on a religious, spiritual book because you don't believe in it, so of course our views are going to differ. Personally, I enjoyed this little back and forth, but I don't think It is going to go anywhere else at this time. Hope you have a wonderful day, Lonnie.
0 likes@Yoshifire8 of course when all else fails the Christians claim that the person doesn’t have the Holy Spirit. Quite typical. Who’s to say that you have it as well? Anyways you believe in what you believe and I will believe in what I believe. Peace
0 likes@That guy You understand what I'm saying? The bible does NOT preach equality for all men hence the reason why the Europeans had no problems enslaving the Africans... why? because they were heathens and the laws do not apply equally...the same way the Israelites were free to enslave the so called gentiles. We need to be honest about the Bible's role in the widespread acceptance of slavery. Because I'll tell you this... if those Africans were bible believing Christians ... they would NOT be able to justify their enslavement and they would NOT be taken into slavery. Its literally the ONLY reason.. not the skin color... not the physical strength...not the geographical location... Only because they believed that they worshiped the Devil... Thats the final truth of the matter. The godfather of Racism is religious ideological disdain (religious supremacy)... the core belief that... these people are going to hell... God is coming down to wipe these people out and cleanse the earth and make it pure again. It just so happens that feeling got transferred onto black people for obvious reasons...
0 likesEven look at modern times... the so called war on terror.. and this is from both sides... the Muslims and the Christians... You think if it was Christians who bombed that Trade Center... the repercussions would have been anywhere as destructive without any major protest in America? Literally all prejudice and oppression and international conflicts has a religious foundation... Look through history at all the wars.. every one of them. Religious extremism divides and empowers the individual to murder without guilt... and that is facts... A religious individual waiting patiently for the coming of Christ is yearning for the extermination of literally billions of people off the face of the planet in a genocide of epic proportions... the earth would be flooded with the blood of the unbelievers... think what type of person would rejoice in a tragedy like that!... So how hard is it for them to invade Iraq and flatten that country deaths in the millions... invade Afghanistan... deaths in the millions... They're doing the Lord's work! Same goes for the Al Quaeda terrorist...
0 likesI know he want like my comment but I’m just saying Jidion is the best like fruck Tyrone
0 likesgod made this animals for a reason tbf we count as animals just really smart ones
0 likesThe Bible says animals are for food ( not domestic) therefore animals were out on the earth for food
1 likethis shiii* hilarious 😭😭😭😭
0 likesWhat’s that young boy outro song
0 likesJidion stepsister
0 likesNigga you got 100k on Instagram it’s time to go see Tyrone 😂😂😂😂
2 likesMassive respect for showing off ur faith at the end bro!!! Good job bro, I'm sure there are a couple people who perhaps looked up what a Passover was after this video.
1 like2:35 didn't even need my ears anyways
0 likesthe “moo”actually made me laugh aloud😹😹😹
0 likesHe better hit 200k
0 likesBruh did he just say that butcher's suffer from ptsd and anxiety this dude tripping man
1 likego see tyrone nigga!!!
0 likes“DaBaby”
0 likesSorry but ain't no way I'm giving up meat! You do you... be vegan, but don't come over here and try to change us!
0 likesFuck Vegas in their ass.
0 likesDaBaby
0 likeswho's eating mean while watching this?
0 likesListen, i feel like i get what vegans want. Like torturing animals is wrong and honestly there are b**ch ass people who torture before butchering em up, but I’m a meat eater. Like
0 likesI love animals and wish no harm into them, but it’s nature, again i respect vegans
Vegans act like we go out to the farm and ask them to shoot the cow 😂
0 likesi thought his was gonna be a reupload
0 likesI just realised U hit 1 MILL CONGRATTSSS
0 likesYou don't shoot any animals in the head
0 likesAs a Christian as well as JiDion, I stand to believe that in the Bible it was never mislead in the transcribed words form thousands of years ago saying that God has created the animals on earth for us to have authority over them. Doesn’t mean we have to kill them all but we eventually figured out what is good and what isn’t. In some places there are different foods such as ones not all Americans would enjoy or all of one area or religion would enjoy.
0 likesYay
0 likeswatched the whole live and they both made very good points
0 likesWhy cant I tell if he's acting or not?
0 likesI’m I’m I’m I’m just saying….
0 likesJidion is the best YouTuber out there🔥🔥
Lil Nas x to Da baby 🤣
0 likes🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
0 likesListen to this
0 likesDo you swerve your car for an animal ? No.
Do you swerve if it’s human ?
Yes.
Animals can be replaced better then humans can
Jidion makes me laugh so hard
1 likeGuys a dumm ass crying y the support organizations that kill thousands of pets every yr and all the poor plants they kill
0 likesHe was actually pretty chill
0 likesBRO IS A LIVING LEGEND
1 likeBruh I’m not even for vegans but JiDion lost this
0 likesIt’s weird how aggressive people can get when Trying to make arguments in the sake of “compassion”
0 likesTHE GOAT KEEP BLOWIN UP MY BOY
0 likesWe slit a lamb on Eid. The Bible also says not to eat pork but Christians ignore that. Islam is the truth.
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islam is pretty sexist ngl
0 likes@That Guy EFRAIN Islam is not sexist, some contries are. Its like saying All Christian preachers are rapists. We follow the Quaran dont get your info from CNN and Fox.
0 likesjidion just goated
0 likesHave they seen sausage party! Veggies are humans too
0 likesMooo pack hittingg😶🌫️😶🌫️
0 likesIf we stop killing animals they will over populate and then they will die even more cause of the diseases and stuff we would also get those diseases and it could make the human species go extinct
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true we should just kill them with more respect
0 likesBro I'm just saying I'm going to keep eating pepper pig every day
0 likesJidion is a troll brah 😅😂😂😩
0 likesthis man is like "fuckin pigs are beheaded and shot"
0 likeswhat the fuck bro thats so wrong. they are most likely lined up in a small farm factory, then instantly beheaded, no pain. and plus, who would just fuckin shoot a pig. its stupid and wouldnt really do anything as we dont use that meat anyways.
lmao dude
btw that was an assumption so if im wrong dont hate
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I'm no vegan, but I saw a video of how pigs are killed and I tell you friend, it aint too pretty
0 likesAs I watched this I was cooked and eating a pork chop
0 likesRip shaq I hope he made it back home to lay by the side of his mother
0 likesYour facing thanos of YouTube vegan Man U might as well go put that grass back in the oven my guy
0 likesalready 1.1Mill baby
0 likesAny one else hungry for some deer meat
1 likeWhat’s wrong with this man… some people do go vegan for health….. it’s not always necessarily about thinking they aren’t killing animals and even if you don’t eat meat that doesn’t really save animals or at least it doesn’t mean that you’re not killing another animal but I also know some people do believe that animals shouldn’t be killed and that’s why they’re vegan but not everyone changes their diet to vegan or is vegan for the same reason
0 likesHow many times did the guy say the same sentence: they got shot in the head and slit in there throats | smh
0 likesSwr animals get killed humanely not “shot in the head or have there throats slits” they might but like I swr they do it so they don’t feel pain
0 likesThis is why Halal meat exist.
0 likesTo make Halal meat it’s pretty much slaughtering an animal with one slice to the throat with a sharp blade. Making the animal feel no pain due to instant death.
Making airflow, helping all the blood in the body to flow out. Meat with blood filtered out already has a longer time span staying top quality 👌🏼
When will humankind stop making its own theories and beliefs. We are puny, God has shown us this by putting us in a massive universe, have a little study on the book that’s never been changed that’s filled with a lot of sense back thousands of years ago and today. Btw it’s also known as the Quran. (Changed my whole life, why cant it change yours)
its legit human nature to kill and eat ur meal
0 likesBro jidion u should be a lawyer dang
1 likeW Vid
0 likesThis guy got it all wrong he said shot and cut they get stunned to sleep and neck cut and boom most either have slight diseases or old
0 likesHahahaha you really shut him down with the religion rebuttal. Dude is just feminin3 about his beliefs lol
0 likesbro PLEASE put that “da baby” at the end of every video🤣🤣
0 likesas a vegetarian, i wouldn’t make anyone stop eating meat- its just rude to do that
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Is killing animals who don't want to die not rude ?
0 likes@Mukul Vyas
0 likesIts not like that but what i meant was im not gonna go around a make people be vegetarian. Ofc just killing random animals is messed up but some people just don’t know what happens in the slaughterhouse.
@•Cherri• Exactly. But you shouldn't refrain from having a conversation and letting people know that animals are tortured and murdered in slaughterhouses. And since it's not necessary to consume animal products to survive subjecting animals to such a torment is cruel.
0 likesAlso, I appreciate that you're vegetarian for ethical reasons. I'm vegan for the same reason. You should look into how cruel eggs and dairy are. Watch this short documentary called "Milk - Make Up Your Mind" and this critically acclaimed one called "Dominion".
Jidion a goat
0 likesIn the Bible God says that humans are to rule over everything on the earth because he made us in his image, we are above them.
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@That Guy EFRAIN that's old Herbew law though. A lot of people mixup what God's word is and what the law back then was. It's like how it's nearly against the law to not wear a mask now. Take this for example and then assume that the Bible is written current and includes such a law. A lot of people thousands of years into the future will say that it's a law in the Bible, but that does not directly mean it is of God. Also the Bible mentions that many animals shouldn't be eaten (yes including pig) because it is unclean, but you also have to remember that things in the Old Testament were for those times. When Jesus came, a lot of things changed and God established a new covenant. I urge you to read deeper. ❤🙏
0 likes@IAmTheHopefulRomantic so basically what ur saying is at the time god said to do it cause their was good reason too, but he changed it because nowadays it wouldn't make sense to have that law
0 likes@That Guy EFRAIN I'm saying that what you mentioned is Herbrew law, that's why it's found in that era and in other religious texts of that nation/time period.
0 likes@That Guy EFRAIN look up Mark 7:19
0 likes@IAmTheHopefulRomantic its still bibical and a law bound by god otherwise why would it be in the Bible
0 likes@IAmTheHopefulRomantic so the bible contradicts itself
0 likes@That Guy EFRAIN not how it works because Moses didn't write "Thus God says, no eating pork."
0 likes@That Guy EFRAIN Also not how it works because the Old Testament and New Testament weren't written in the same day. The Bible was written over many years and at completely different times for each Testament. Not To say it contradicts itself per se, but what is in the Old Testament no longer applies to Humans because that was part of the covenant BEFORE God sent Jesus to die for us and save us all.
0 likes@IAmTheHopefulRomantic could be said about many sins then
0 likes@That Guy EFRAIN the ones mentioned in the Bible
0 likes@IAmTheHopefulRomantic did god write the bible
0 likes@That Guy EFRAIN Yes. He wrote it through people.
0 likesThe idea that the Bible promotes slavery is false. Also, Vegan dude's arguments against Christianity were arbitrary. Furthermore, if you don't believe in God, then you shouldn't care about animals dying, because there is absolutely no point to anything. We're all just here for no reason, random act of creation from the big bang, and we all die. Hitler is just dead, and will never face justice. Anyone who commits rape is just acting on what he/she thinks is good, so we can't impose our own beliefs on them. And we shouldn't care about what happens to another human being because at the end of the day, there is no point to anything. No hope. Unless God exists.
0 likesI eat twice the amount of meat as a normal person so that an annoying ass vegan has less of an effect
0 likesHey look at me.. I’m a vegan.
0 likesi was having chicken while watchign this
0 likesBro this debate lmao... Okay so if you wanna get into morality or scientific right?
0 likesThere's this thing called the food chain...
Pretty down low is the plants, then the herbivores, then the things that eat the herbivores and the thing that eats that and so on and so on...
Basically based on biology its actually natural to eat meat if your body allows it to be decomposed for nutrients...
Sure the animals dont wanna be eaten by us
I dont wanna be eaten by a lion...
But i accept that its a natural part of this world, it happens.
If you accept veganism, good for you, thats your choice, your cause.
I want to eat meat, sorry, that goes against your cause, but its my choice to make.
Lastly, its just super unrealistic to expect ppl as a whole to give up meat and to go into veganism, it cant and shouldnt be forced on ppl.
You can speech your teachings publicly, because free speech, but like Jidion said "focus on the ppl you can get" because at a point it's become harassment when you putting/forcing your beliefs on someone over something natural and socially acceptable.
Another fucking banger fuck yea😝😝😝
0 likesBros so intelligent
0 likeschristian belief i think is the best way to hold God in your heart. You can read from the quaran and other books and find that they actually came from the christian bible. I feel they added some stuff here and there to make it differnt but actually the quaran came from the devil. disguising himself as gabriel the angel and gave it to the man called Muhammad a so called prophet
0 likesYou better never fucking stop posting YouTube content
0 likesPeople who don't eat animals cuz they think it's wrong... they're domesticated animals bred to be eaten doesn't really effect the planet. Y'all make just as much garbage as everyone else and some seal is currently choking on that shit
0 likesRespect
0 likesThese mcchickens I smashed watching this fucking HIT
0 likesI’m sorry but, I’d I hear this dude say “animals get there throat’s slit and shot in the head”
0 likesJiDion is the most funny man I ever saw
1 likeGordon Ramsay will be real proud of you man 🥲
Yea in the Bible ur supposed to be eating meat but not unclean animals like pork
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no one follows the bible fully though
0 likesBro really said the Bible promotes slavery 😭😭
0 likes3:55 i saw his face bro he getting cancelled lmao this is so funny
1 likeThis was a very good video keep up the good work
0 likesDo vegans think that lions (and other predators) are murderers when they kill other animals? And when they do, do they think they should get jail time (zoo time)? Because they obviously wouldn't give them the death penalty.
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by definition yes they are, but you can't punish them since its the only way for them to get food. Humans can decide not to eat meat and still live a fruitful life. Veganism still sucks tho lmao
0 likesBid ups to the guy being a fair sport and talking with you👍🏾👍🏾
2 likes“DaBaby”
0 likesW VID, YOU NEVER MISS 🔥
0 likesJidion lemme be in your videos. I am 20 & bald too 🤟🏾🤟🏾
0 likesI don't think people understood the little Nas x to the baby thing
0 likesSo lemme get this straight Nelk can do it but once the legend J does it it’s a problem ….. hmmmm
1 likeW prank!!!!!!
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JiDion the GOAT onggg!
0 likesVegan dude doesn’t realize animals will die from overpopulation if u dont kill them, I wish Jidion said this 😂😂
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I thought the same thing. The U.S. has more than 3,000 deer breeding facilities. Humans force overpopulation to justify hunting for ‘population control’. It’s bs propaganda. Here are other arguments against veganism: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=byTxzzztRBU
0 likesIf I stopped eating animals then my food would eat their food and then they would have to become meat eaters as well or starve. If all the animals that were in the slaughterhouses were just released, they would probably die. They dont know how to live on their own. Animals and plants alike were put on this planet by God so as to be sustainance for other species.
0 likes0:50 that’s just any video of either a mukbang or you eating meat and recording it. He made it sound so much more
0 likesI’m gonna tell you (vegan people) you ain’t gonna change a black person to a vegan because they like their damn chicken you might be able to change some white peoples minds but personally I’m white and you gosh I ain’t gonna change my mind. God bless
0 likesJust need to make sure everyone got the guys point. Dunno if you heard him say it but animals are shot in the head and have their throats slit lmao
0 likeseveryone and everything needs to eat so never feel bad if an animal gets slaughtered for people animals too eat its just part of life😂😂
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Everyone can just eat plants and live a great life. Animals don't really have a choice.
0 likesYou should feel bad.
I hope that you realize that you are being a hypocrit in the life you are living. Would you kill a happy innocent stray dog for a meal instead of eating a vegan burger?
Why kill animals when they don't need to die. They suffer a lot because we see them as products and not as living creatures. It's not okay man. Stop normalizing it. They are in a lot of pain because we push them into factories made to optimize production. It's horrific. I feel terrible for these animals in these conditions.
cow pack
0 likesChef pee pee
0 likesI have a family member that’s a butcher and he definitely does not have ptsd like tf?
2 likesDaddy jidion
0 likesYo this man don’t make sense plants have lives too they grow like we and animals so he can’t really talk😂😭
1 likeactually a slaughter house is needed to be a thing hunting and all cuz if we don't with deforestation there will be a high animal over papulation causing animals to over run cities and suburbs animals will die from lack of food and more
0 likesTyron finna get dropped
0 likeswhat happened to banging 10's OR LIZZO'S?
0 likesDamm i remeber i saw a video of you from two years ago
1 likeYour channel got big asf
It’s Tyrone in disguise.
0 likesbro a nice juicy medium rare blackstrap would change this mans life
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back strap*
0 likesliberals kinda trigger me
0 likesMy 2yr old daughter agrees “FUCK TYRONE”
0 likesMy mans look sick he needs some meat
0 likesNigga how I miss that stream
0 likesWolves kill other animals and eat them so do lions so are they against them
0 likesdid y’all know animals get shot in the head and have there throats slit? did y’all know that? i bet y’all never heard that before
0 likesGo on a date wit Tyrone, make peace wit him.
0 likeseveryday I pray I have confidence like jidion
0 likesI did not expect jidion to go in depth, I new he was too powerful for this world
0 likesThis wasn’t entertaining at all.
0 likeshttps://youtube.com/shorts/DLEDt-9Zq5E?feature=share
0 likesDo more street or zoom pranks. This shit seems staged
0 likesAfter this video a have much MORE respect then I already had. 😤😤😤👏
0 likesDo vegans not realize a pig would not hesitate to eat my ass out if it was hungry
0 likesIt’s wrong for us to slash open plants and eat them, can’t be in a vegetable store it’s just full of death. They have feelings too. Don’t eat plants. Just drink air and live a long life
0 likesJiDion is the best thing that has happened to me
0 likesVegans realize that plants feel pain as well and their only ever excuses that they can’t express pain. Who’s the real villain here?
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Plants don't have brains or central nervous systems, so they cannot feel pain. Even if they could, you are presumably eating both animals and plants - so if there is a "villain" here surely that would be you? And did you know that something like 80% of the worlds crops are actually fed to livestock animals rather than eaten by humans? So overall vegans actually contribute to fewer plant "deaths".
0 likes@alreadyvegan oh well ima still continue to eat meat
0 likes@Glitch "oh well tho"
0 likes@alreadyvegan was I supposed to cry or something
0 likesIf you cook them that’s good cause your not letting the meat go to waste if you killed them and you didn’t eat them thats fucked up
0 likesWe raise animals to eat them my G
0 likesIt’s too bad I love hunting and eating animals Bru
the vegan has some good points, but at the end of the day its survival of the fittest, many of our food is reliant on meat and stuff like that to survive, and alot of people won't stop eating meat. Animals are meant to be eaten.
0 likesUnderaged asf LMAO😂😂😂😂
0 likesWhat’s this Guys obsession with “shot in the head” like yea it sucks but animals have been dying for so long it’s never gonna stop. And they respect any other religion but Christians.
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Its stopping. Heard if supply and demand?
0 likesAt 4:55 😂😂😂
0 likesBro what this man said u paid people to kill animals 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
0 likesLook at his phone 1:51
0 likesvegans be eating trees,and plants like them shits not living things too
0 likesJidion got this man on his back trying to explain his vegan and religious beliefs 😭
0 likesyo man we have human like animals its called monkee and we dont kill them.
0 likesTrust in the holy Bible the world is coming to in end son Jesus loves u
0 likesWe kill animals because we need to eat, and if we don’t kill the animals, the animals will eventually kill us
0 likesI love bacon
0 likesthis is like a fox interview/argument
0 likesGot to see Tyrone now
0 likeswhat a og bro.
0 likesShoulda just said natural selection if we ain’t gunna do it other animals will
0 likesEating bacon as I watch this
1 likeYESSIRRR AND HE BELIEVE IN THE BIBLE?!? WWWW
1 likeNah he right the bible is about slavery that all I heard outa this whole thing
0 likesLmao he got pranked 😂😂🤣🤣
0 likesVegan dude woulda caught dese hands 🥊😡🥊
0 likesJidion really got me clap in real life 😭🙌🏿
1 likeIan gon fake I gotta sub after this boa respect
0 likesThis man just doesn’t give a single fuck and I love it
0 likesHugging that old lady for no reason lol that’s why he is golden
2 likesMmmmm meat, you know that humans were literally meant to eat meat. Animals eat other animals, humans eat other animals.like is it really that bad. One cow can make 20 burgers
1 likeHear me out………
1 likePlants are a living creature as well so if ur gunna get somebody for eating another living creature. Think about ur slaughtering them by ripping them out of the ground and waiting for another from that so u can more of it. If your gunna say I eat the entire plant ur lying u don’t everything connected to it. It’s the same exact thing with meat. Not saying we don’t vegetables.
Round of applause 👏🏼
0 likesBut Jidion, nobody cares about your Instagram.
last part got me wondering if vegans support abortion lmao
0 likesBruh I've been binging his vids. Somehow I never knew about this man
1 likeI mean, if ur argument is religion, you already lost
0 likesI agree with the vegan morally we meat eaters are fucked up you can’t deny that
0 likesbro a menace 😭 shoulda been real meat doh
0 likesNo one can defeat this man.
0 likesPlants are destroyed 🤔
0 likesNgl I didn’t think u were that smart u brought up very valid points so did the vegan but you clearly won the argument here’s your cookie 🍪
0 likes1:37 whose gramma?😭😂😂
0 likesVegans kill animals too they just dont eat them
0 likesThis nigga bruh 💀
0 likesJidion would be a W politician.
1 likeGod put us above animals we shouldn't just kill animals just to kill them but it is totally acceptable to kill to eat IMO
1 likeso vegan lovers since ur so mad abt killing animals, would u rather eat it or let it attack u ??
0 likesDid you know that you can go to heaven for free? This one decision can change your eternity forever. Jesus died for both mine and your sins. All you have to to is confess that you’re a sinner and accept Jesus as your savior. 👍🏽
0 likesJiDion was on the debate team in highschool or something😂😂 was a 🔥 vid
1 likeEating ribs while watching. Thank you food chain 🙏🙏
0 likesWhile watching this video I had a burger
0 likesthis vegan guy thinks animals die of old age in nature and deer dont get ripped apart and eaten alive by bears and shit
1 likeI watched this video before David Dobriks, take that as a compliment homie
0 likesThis man said sexual assault is the same thing as eating a burger 😂
0 likes😂😂😂 I love this video. Keep up the great work man. You'll get huge on YouTube in no time
0 likesLove live serve made a video off your cuddling video
0 likesANOTHER BANGER
0 likesImagine killing a animal and eating it... I remember when I had a nice tender juicy fat stake 🤤 and chicken 🤤 and lamb 🤤 and a nice fat tender burger that I'm not eating right now 🤤🤤🤤
0 likestwo bangers in the same week
0 likesWe’re animals. They’re animals. What makes Vegas think they aren’t part of that status
0 likesCongrats on the 1.1 mil😳
0 likesYou need to do more bringing meat into vegan restaurants😂
0 likesJiDion come to Charleston Sc 😔😔😔😔
0 likesI love how funny jidion makes these videos
0 likesNgl that feminist cafe prank sounds funny as shit🤣🤣
0 likesOk are you going to fault lions and other predatory animals for eating other animals. It’s the same thing that we do, but we are actually more humane about it.
0 likesJidion is daddy, no homo its just homiesexual
0 likesHeads shot and throats slit
0 likesLet’s go Jidion believes in the Bible :,)
0 likesNgl Jidion went in oh him😂😂
0 likesHope the vegans know that the animals get shot through the lungs since its a cleaner kill. lmao
1 likeI love u bro so much more now knowing ur a Christian bro always keep up the good work dude ur the best😇😇🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️✝️
0 likesI’ve never used the skip button on a jidion video until sexy vegan 2.0 started talking
0 likesI’m a simple man jidion post I watch
0 likesNgl the vegan guy kinda cool
0 likesAren’t plants living ?
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Yeah but not in the same way animals are they don’t experience pain or think or have a consciousness they just perform the functions necessary for them to survive
1 like@Jesus Christ an animal ain’t gonna feel anything getting shot in the head
0 likes@bunkyswytch yeah obviously
0 likesI was the 1100000 sub
0 likesIf everyone stop eating cow n pigs. And the wolves get em vegans better be the animal police I want them in the woods protecting all the animals
1 likeInvite him hunting lol
0 likesIts good u trying to talk some sense into this man ...and u held yr ground ....we can all have our own beliefs but don't make other ppls lives uncomfortable cuz u don't agree.... which is actually what u did with those vegans 🤣 but fuk em they crazy ....lol ...I use to be vegan and I tell u what ...it ain't it ....now I 100% believe in the Bible.... grateful for each day alive and for whatever daily bread my father in heaven blesses me with 🙏🌭🍕🍔🍟🥨🥞🍄🥕🥝🥭🍉
0 likesIm about to get a burger 🍔
0 likesBro its funny that he said the bible condones slavery no it does not😂
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Leviticus 25:44-46
0 likes44 “‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them, you may buy slaves. 45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. 46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.
The vegan guy took BLM out of his bio after
1 likeShould’ve made a joke about his wife taking meat
0 likesShould’ve started playing “Lil dicky- pillow talking “ at 8:11
0 likesNow JiDion is back from dababy to lil nas x again
1 likeNigga Jidion Couldn’t Be Fazed
0 likesw
1 likeFrom a Christian perspective god gave us domain over all animals we can eat them if we want, animals have no souls or self awareness and we kill them humanely so there’s no problem it’s not evil 🤷♂️
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Even without religious aspect animals are a source of food and have been for millions of years, people would either have to crop, grow or hunt
0 likesJiDion owns this man
0 likesAyeeee 100K on instaaaaa
0 likespigs over twigs
1 likeWidion with another Banger
0 likesbro your amazing
0 likesImagine being vegan
2 likesBro ur growing so much keep up the hard work!!🤯🤑👍
1 likeHe took BLM out of his bio after this
0 likesThe vegan guy looks like Patrick Not Star💀
1 likeNatural selection
0 likes9:45 “DaBaby” 🤣
0 likesAnimals kill animals within their own race to survive. So…
0 likesYour vids are the best 🤤🐄
0 likesNext Time on Vegan Ball Z: JiDion clowns creator of Vegans
0 likesTo be honest.. Us humans must kill to survive. We are superior to these pigs. And cow. And that vegan right there is an animal he is chicken. We must end him IMMEDIATELY
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Animals kill other animals for food, so why is it such a big deal when humans kill animals for food🤨
1 like@18 fr ong man I feel u mah boi 😭🙏🦧
0 likesGo vegan!
0 likesW
0 likesWhat about the suffered from the plant ??
0 likesW
0 likesL.L.S
0 likesTHIS TURNED INTO A REAL DEBATE LMAO
1 likeOne day he would start a war with the vegans
0 likesjdion i love you bro but you need to read the bible more
0 likesI watched this while eating a burger 🥵
0 likesMost livestock aren't shot in the head. This guy is just fear mongering.
0 likesNice more videos
0 likesrespectfully jidion rlly hit or miss for me last vid hit this one got me shleep
0 likesI like That they sat down to have a Convo bruh
0 likes8:54 he's right we wouldn't know cause they don't exist
0 likesJiDion x Vlog Creations needs to happen
0 likesIm tryna see Tyrone again hit 200k bro
0 likesBest troll on yt
0 likesWatched this while eating chicken but Fr tho what would happen if we let every animal live the ozone layer would be fucked up and a bunch more animals would be running around
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The point is to stop breeding the animals. There are only so many animals existing because people artificially breed them into existence
0 likesHow can you say something mean about jiidion
0 likeseyyy, didnt want comment about this but in a sluter house they kill cows with a metel stick like thin that goes through there neck, its also the most harmless way for a cow to be killed. anyway vid a banger
1 likeWwwwwwww
0 likesBro jidion I love you but please make the videos longer. I’ve watched all your videos and I can’t stand watching a 10 minute video then waiting a week for another
1 likeaye bro i kno Shaq smilin n happy asl rn man. congrats on 1 milli n countin
0 likesNah bro this menace activity 😭
0 likesbro jiDion was sounding so smart 😫 making me act up
0 likesNew profile picture…?
1 likeTo be fair, as Christians you dont have to sacrifice anymore because Jesus was the ultimate sacrifice for our sins
0 likesOne thing I don’t get is that animals kill each other all the time so there going to be dead either way
0 likesPredators hunt there prey all the time, how we supposed to force a Lion to eat grass and avoid the gazelle, this ain’t Lion king babyyy
0 likesSaving animal go as far as not eating meat 🥩 people think that if yo I don’t eat meat your saving animal 🦓 tbh I don’t even think we actually eat real meat I think this stuff is clone man made meat 🥩
0 likesWould’ve been way more hilarious if you used real meat again
0 likesI get what he means but at the same time either a wolfs gonna eat a pig, sheep, or cow or we will. Every animal has a predator it’s not like us cutting meat out of our diets means animals aren’t still being killed and eaten by other animals.
0 likeswhy did he call him dababy and not lil nas x
0 likesjidion actually pretty smart
0 likesBig daddy made him admit to getting clapped
0 likesFucking W
0 likesI wanna see you wit a afro bro bro
0 likesbeing vegan has to be the dumbest thing ever, you think a wolf is just gonna walk away thinking you have a loving family at home? like what?
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You’re the definition of a walking drone
0 likes@JiDion New Video idea - 1:11
0 likesJidion was on the debate team back in the day
0 likesI'm not vegan but I get the argument the vegan guy was making. He is right about standing up for animals. The only reason I am not vegan is because of inconvenience. It just goes to show you, standing up for your morals is pretty hard.
0 likesBro These chicken wings are busses
0 likesBruh hate videos??? I’m a Vegetarian and it’s really not that serious bro 😂😂😂
0 likesI mean I understand what the vegan dude is trying to say about the animal cruelty to an extent but like bro, nothing wrong with eating meat, there are slaughterhouses that throw chickens, pigs, cows, ext... around alive and raise those animals in bad disease infested conditions which is horrible but obv there are better options like free range grass fed raised animals and stuff. I mean if these animals were to live in the wild they'd get eaten by predators, you can't stop death.
0 likesI don't think he realizes that if you don't buy the store meat the animals won't magically come back to life and if we release the goats, pigs, and chickens back into the wild they would be slaughtered because they are domesticated.
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Also animals have been hunted since the beginning of time, not only by humans. I would like to see him shaming a starving tiger for eating meat.
1 likefunniest shit ever
2 likesDemarcus cousins is woke
0 likesBro hugged a random gramdma
1 likeMe watching this slobbering an Arby’s roast beef sandwich 🤓😋
1 likeIt is estimated that each year 77 billion land animals are slaughtered for food . not a funny topic to joke about
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Land animals? They aint tanks there aint no ariel animals tf? Also they get pampered than killed otherwise i wouldnt have this extra thick juicy beef steak on my plate
0 likes@8D Audio Master im not vegan or vegetarian,, but most times its highly unlikely that the animals are "pampered"
1 like@8D Audio Master your delusional mate for coming up with lies, atleast face it for what it is.
0 likes@JRE Zone bro i used to live near farms and just have a look at a brazillian ranch in amazonas they have like a mansion size of space,i dont think they are unhappy at all but if your talking about the USA then its only the non free range ones just buy the grass fed ones because they didnt suffer and most likely the ones in factory farms the most complex thoughts they would have that woild get them pissed is "where tf is my damn food" or "bro these mfs are taken ages to transfer me" honestly they arent very complex stop over complicating life just eat steak its harming literally noone
0 likesThis guy is actually so funny like wat
0 likesJdions next post: “walking into feminist cafe and whipping my dong out”
0 likes"You got the Quran, you got Buddhism, you got a bunch of religions" Quran isn't a religion my g 🤣🤣
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Quran has the Old Testament sooo
0 likes@Jaime Alvarez I'll believe my religion and you'll believe what you believe let's leave it at that lol
0 likes@Jaime Alvarez just study islam and just understand what it really teaches and you'll fall in love with the religion
0 likesVegans act like plants aint living 😂😂how you care about animals and not plants
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plants arent sentient lol
0 likesJidion gots a point. It’s not a sin to be eating meat. God put those animals on earth for a reason.
1 like100k insta followers only and you still never reply to your fans..
0 likesW
0 likesW
Listen man this dude is confused and it shows
0 likesDawg wasn't tryna hear it🤣 he kept talking about slitting throats and shit like bro say something else. Jidion your the man
0 likesMans was so mad!! I aint even gon lie, JIDION never misses!
0 likesNgl u used hella fallacies but there’s no proctor and some of them would be relevant if it wasn’t only a vegan debate. Im gonna stay a carnivore tho, good shit
0 likesJidon smart believing in the bible. It's clear this vegan has no morality to go off of , hence making himself a god who dictates his views
0 likes💀💀
0 likesGod damn Jidion on a serious note you ran that argument perfectly and got him into quite the box with every path you went lol.
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How on earth do you figure ? Wow the human mind continues to blow my own.
0 likesGo follow jidion cause I need another tyrone videoo
0 likesJidion legit used his logic against him
0 likesThis is INSANE. I remember when you had less than 100k subs! Jidion is TOO FUCKING GOOD. lets gooooooo
0 likesActually the goat
0 likesHonestly you a better man then me. Off the intro alone I would’ve put hands on him
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Mans said “what would you do if I smashed you camera on the ground” then said “you went from lil nas x to dababy” Shit gmt
0 likesMann, JiDion outta pocket and I love it😮💨🤣
0 likesjidion was preaching if he was my pastor that would be pretty lit ngl 😂🔥
2 likes😂😂😂 ayy rip shaq
0 likesI only discovered this guy 2 days ago and he’s already my favorite youtuber
2 likesFrom now on we need the dababy outtro
0 likesW
0 likesJidion is a YouTube beast 😂😂😂😂😂😂
0 likessheeeesh
0 likesDaBaby.
0 likes🔪🥩🥓🍗🐄🐖🐓🤷🏽♂️
0 likesShould’ve said that’s not a good comparison cuz animals don’t have the same mental and emotional capacity as humans
1 likeMy respect for jidion has 📈📈📈📈📈
0 likesIf we don't kill animals to eat people are going to lose their jobs and people are going to die bc their is no food to eat. Just a fact 👌
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yeah plus some animals are meant to be eaten and killing by higher ups on the food chain anyway...
0 likesAll the people who disliked are vegans. Fr.
0 likesJidion a Legend
0 likesi was there live
0 likesthat vegan guy was cool for that ending
0 likesBeen waiting for u to upload 🧛🏻♂️
0 likesThe male version of a Karen 😂😂
1 likeBecause I kill an animal doesn't mean I don't respect it. I kill it with respect, with honor, and with the knowledge that it will provide for me.
0 likesI am half native and we believe to kill and animal you have to use every part of the body and show respect to it
0 likesI rather be dababy than lil Nas x yuh yuh
0 likesi love jdion soooooo much
1 likenever clicked off what are you doing step bro faster
0 likesJidion vs Steven crowder.....my dream
1 likeThis was by far the best video he has ever done , showed intelligence and poise . I am a Christian and he was right on with his rebuttal
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Except there is no good argument against veganism.
0 likesNooo fuckin way I’ve been following jidion forevvverrr
0 likesThis dude is a menace to society omg 😆
1 likeVegan people a different type of weird lol
0 likesbro i remember when u was at just 100k bro u have come so far
1 like7:26 the Bible doesn’t justify slavery 🤦🏾♂️
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Leviticus 25:44-46
0 likes44 “‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. 45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. 46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.
@fuckfrancisco LMAOO
0 likesAnimals are not usually shot in the head
0 likesFeminist restaurant? Those exist?
0 likesJidion for president 2022
1 likeI want to kiss jidion
0 likesYou and Tyrone should do a boxing match. I promise it would sell out
0 likesI really wished he brought up the circle of life point
0 likesI didnt know jidion was this smart
0 likesThat guy seemed pretty cool tbh
0 likes4:08 really dude I’ve gutted, cutted, quartered a deer, a lot and same goes too a lot of people out there too. It has basically zero effect on your mental health unless you make it an issue.
1 likeayeee
1 likeHe was actually chill about the prank
0 likesHow many times this man gonna say shot in the head
0 likesTbh I dont get how they can trip over killing animals but animals kill animals as well
0 likesNeed more merch. All sold out
0 likesTime to make another dis Track
0 likesJidion needs to meet up with nelk and the minorities
0 likesYo how he just always get hugs from random old ladies😂😂
0 likesu should by tyrone some sneakers
1 likeIf you don't like animals being abused and tortured for their meat, just eat halal meat.. look it up bruh 💀
0 likesnot all meat sold are killed that bad and also kosher meats have laws on how they have to be killed, and these vegans think a few cases represent all of it
0 likesWhat's that song in the outro? Nevermind it's in description
0 likesWow, good ass debating skills wtf. You worked your way through that hypothetical like you had decades of experience
0 likesUhhhh sir I’ve been on the kill floor of a slaughterhouse. Not how it works no one is there with a shotgun just blown their brains out dude.
0 likesW vid Jidion
0 likesIk imma get alot of hate for saying this so hate all you want. But how is it killing an animal just cause it's not human morally wrong, but abortion, which is killing a human before it's born, morally acceptable?
1 like🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
0 likes1.1M les gooo
1 likeI feel like if you were in any argument with a vegan you can simple justify eating meat by discussing the food chain and the fact that we ourselves are animals and are biologically built to consume both meat and plants. Eating vegan food as a supplement to those natural things we need in our diet is simply unhealthy. What concerns me is that people such as this are vegan for the wrong reason. If you really cared about animals are you going to stop a fox from eating a chicken or a lion from eating a gazelle. No. It’s a natural process on earth which is necessary to keep a balance.
0 likesWait this is a theory, Vegans say they love animals and they r trying to expand their vegan army. Have they ever thought they r hurting the animals more than us, they eat all of the animal's food so eventually the cow will starve. So lokey if u were an animal would u rather slowly die from starvation or quickly die from gun.
0 likesWhen people are losing arguments they start to bring up unrealistic things
0 likesnah thats cap veganism is a lifestyle and a diet coming from a vegan
0 likesMy respect when he said he believes in the bible went UP!!!!!!! Amen!
0 likesJiDon standin up for religion I love you for that man.
0 likesBruh acting like he got a specific animal taken out then proceeded to take that specific animal and use its corpse for a YouTube video. Like bruh, all the n did was go to a store and buy some meat that would’ve gotten eat eventually.
2 likesAlso, to destroy his whole argument you could’ve just said “animals eat other animals, so are you going to punish those animals?”
3:04 LMAOOOO
0 likesRespect to the vegan guy for acknowledging that he got pranked lmao
0 likesDababy
0 likesHe a vegan but he gives his wife meat 😬🥴
0 likesI don't think the dude realizes that God GAVE humans animals for clothing and food. 99% of slaughter houses kill these animals in the most humane ways possible. Shooting them in the head is the quickest death or one of them.
1 likeI’m eating a ribeye rn…SHIT SMACKS!!!
0 likesWait till vegans find out dead animal meat that we cook can’t be brought back to life
0 likesYou needed a wireless grill tho
2 likesSome of us saw this live
0 likesBroooo that American Horror Stories show stole your Homiesexual idea
0 likesBanger🌝💯
0 likesily jidion
0 likesTables turned!
0 likesThe Quran and boudaisme😂
1 likeNew BOSS: Vegan dude
0 likesKinda surprised how well JiDion did debating him
0 likesMeat is protein tho
0 likesrespect 😂☪️ ❤ ✝️
1 likeI paid for a random animal to be head shot so I can eat a burger
0 likesdude bring a animal into a vegan restrurant
0 likesWhy don't vegans worry about animals in lab's
0 likesHe must be a Tyrone.
0 likesI love meat. Nothing better than a big juicy piece of meat in mouth 🤤
0 likesbacon is good
0 likesThis guy doesn’t understand this is peoples lifestyle and no they do not slit throats we inject them and it doesn’t even hurt them it’s literally me and my family’s life style to raise cows man I hate people like that
0 likesi’m eating meat lovers pizza rn
0 likesDamnn 94k in 1hour les gooooo 💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾
0 likesThe point I wish he brought up is that animals KILL animals 💀 that not everything on this planet lives a plant based save everything diet
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Yeah. I would’ve love for him to ask something like a wolf is dying of hunger and it has to kill something to live. Would you want it to die or it to kill something else like a mouse
2 likes@FaZe LandFill right 💀 animals be eating a WHOLE BABY if they hungry not even starving would like to hear his response to why they forget about the natural food chain that leads to animals being eaten anyway 😭😭
1 likeIn Islam they have halal meat. Which means they pray over the meat before they kill it and they kill it in a gentle way.
0 likesThat “Dababy” should be the new outro
0 likesI like how he always mentions animals being shot in the head or being slit in the throat
1 likeI would’ve been like u wanna get kfc after this🥱
0 likesWhat people like him don’t understand is that’s kinda like tryna end religion… u can’t even if u stop eating meat someone else is going to eat it, yes u can get more people to stop eating but it never changes the fact that the animal is going to die regardless for sum one else🤷🏾♂️
0 likesdababy
0 likesIf most other animals eat meat so am I.
0 likeshmmmm me need steak now🥩
0 likes1 MIL BABYYY LETS GET IT
1 likeAutomatic like from Title
0 likesDababy
0 likesI really enjoyed this
0 likesAfter all, humans are still animals basically, and animals eat other animals. If he says that, then why doesn't he say that to an predator like an lion, tiger, killer whale, or something?
0 likeslmao they think just because they're vegan fewer animals will be killed. the amount of people who consume meat greatly outnumbers the people who don't, therefore the animals will still be killed regardless.
0 likesOne of the best 🤣 fs
0 likesThe first argument tho 😂🤣
1 likeFacts
0 likesW troll LMFAOOOOO
0 likesThat guy said “The Bible justifies slavery” when in actuality, slave traders just twisted words in the Bible as a shitty excuse to try and justify it. The Bible itself does not justify slavery
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Yup . The Bible talked about indentured servants serving their masters to work. Many people believe that the type of slavery in the Bible is based off racism just like what the United States had a century ago, but it’s not
25 likeshe said he was agnostic so im not surprised he kept tryna bring the bible in the convos
10 likesI don’t believe in the Bible because so much has changed from back then so why do we have to like do what the Bible says?
7 likes@Karma while there are some points and rituals invalidated by time such as the sacrifice of the lamb, there’s still many things we have to keep for moral reasons and also out of respect for God
4 likesYea all of y’all tripping the Bible 100% not only justifies slavery but gives instructions for it. Read exodus 21 and Leviticus 25 I think. It refers to people as property that can be owned forever and passed on through generations. Exodus 21 tells you where to buy your slaves and how to trick them into becoming your slaves forever. Even gives you some fun beating your slave instructions. Sorry for the long response but I had to set that straight. Look at the verses if you don’t believe me.
3 likes@Peter Sprenger the only “slavery” condoned in the Bible is debt slavery where a person offers their labor to be able to pay off debts and that is what you are referring too not slavery based off race or class
3 likes@Peter Sprenger setting rules on something ≠ supporting it. Slavery came as a result of the free will God gave us and there’s not much he can do about that without taking away our free will. The slavery the Bible is talking about in the chapters u mentioned talks about instances where one sells themselves due to poverty, much different from the slavery many people are thinking about. On top of that, the Year of Jubiliee was essentially a reset where servants were set free and land was returned to its original owners. As for tricking people into being your slaves forever, which verses are you referring to?
2 likes@Devin Harmon no I’m sorry you’ve been lied to unfortunately. Please go read the verses I mentioned. Slaves are treated as property and passes on to the next generation unless the slaves are Jewish. The instructions in Exodus 21 tell you how to get your Jewish slave to marry another slave and have kids, then you own them forever. It’s sad that you won’t be honest about what your book says but unfortunately for you that’s exactly what it says.
3 likes@Hoedduk 2 If thou buy an Hebrew servant, six years he shall serve: and in the seventh he shall go out free for nothing.
2 likes3 If he came in by himself, he shall go out by himself: if he were married, then his wife shall go out with him.
4 If his master have given him a wife, and she have born him sons or daughters; the wife and her children shall be her master's, and he shall go out by himself.
5 And if the servant shall plainly say, I love my master, my wife, and my children; I will not go out free:
6 Then his master shall bring him unto the judges; he shall also bring him to the door, or unto the door post; and his master shall bore his ear through with an aul; and he shall serve him for ever.
7 And if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant, she shall not go out as the menservants do.
@Hoedduk it’s not setting rules it’s giving instructions on how to do it. I just pasted exodus 21, you can look up Leviticus 25 where it says slaves are property which are to be owned forever. It’s disappointing to see you guys tap dance around this because you think your book is perfect. Does spiking somebody’s ear and marking, then owning them forever sound like indentured servitude.
3 likes@Hoedduk Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. 45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. 46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.
2 likes@Peter Sprenger ah I c. I wouldn’t necessarily call it a trick to enslaving someone forever tho. Tbh I can’t rly justify this rule I’ll ask my dad about it sometime 🗿
0 likes@Hoedduk I appreciate you being open minded about it. If you think the Bible is gods word, then ask yourself why would a rule such as this be in there.
1 likeAnd you don’t think other ppl/groups have sabotaged that same Bible to make you think a certain way or control you. Cmon
0 likes@Peter Sprenger just curious but is ur stance on the Bible that God does exist but the Bible is not a perfect representation of his laws and statutes?
0 likes@HighScore47 yeah indentured servants are a completely different thing than the slaves the US had
1 like@Karma the only thing I believe in the bible is the sediment of peace. I dont wanna go to church every Sunday. And I dont wanna have to wait to get some 🐱 until marriage.
1 like@Karma if you only look the new testament it's extremely valid for any time
0 likes@Peter Sprenger tbh the bible is a book filled with context. Nobody in this thread has matched context to those verses so your conclusion may not be valid
2 likes@verified yessir see this is what I am trying to say. When you bring up verses without context you are cherry picking
0 likes@Peter Sprenger hey i did my research, it did not say anything about tricking anyone, its actually quite an innocent way of life, having slaves didnt mean you had to whip them or treat them poorly, it just meant that you had someone working for you under a contract of time, thats what made the word "slave" HERE you read it for yourself
2 likesif we wanna talk about the Bible the bible also says we are supposed to eat meat so why are they vegan
1 likeLeviticus 25:44-46
0 likes‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves."
Tse-tse re d
0 likes@Francesco Lia according to who?
0 likes@That guy to me, what kind of question is that?
0 likes@Francesco Lia what do you mean to you? Who says the NT is valid for all times. Why should we care about your opinion? I can bring a person from any religion that can say the same thing about their holy scriptures so your point is null. Objectively prove the NT is valid for all times or just valid in general
0 likes@CHR1SPY can you contextualize numbers 31:17-18?
0 likes@First Last I hope you realize that a slave doesn’t have to be called a slave to actually be one. In numbers 31:17-18 there is clear slavery of the little girls and it’s not by consent
0 likes@That guy …the Bible is a history book of what happened in the past their was sin in the past, God did not make that stuff
0 likes@First Last that’s not really addressing the point. You claimed that slavery was when you worked under contract for someone and I brought you a example of when that wasn’t the case yet was still slavery and now your backtracking and changing the goal post. Is it your original claim or now what your trying to say?
0 likes@Hoedduk if you don’t believe In god you can’t believe in free will
0 likes@That guy dude, chill, i was just telling what i think. People use too much old testament quotes, while imo counts only what Jesus says. While the Quran as an example is all "the word of god" in the bible god himself never says anything controversial.
0 likesThe bible does condone slavery including rape and a bunch of other crazy shit
0 likes@Imperial Stats I’m just genuinely curious can you give me verses and shit where it says this
0 likesIf you want to believe in fairy tales that's fine, no problem. But using your religion to justify killing animals is wrong.
0 likes@Verified Yessir did you not see the Leviticus 25 verse I posted. It says very specifically to buy your SLAVES from the heathens around you, that SLAVES are to be treated as property and to be owned forever. It’s really disheartening to see you guys tap dance around this subject to defend your immoral book.
0 likes@Hoedduk no I’m an atheist. My belief is the Bible was written by Bronze Age Palestine war lords.
0 likes@Verified Yessir Wow, what religion does to peoples minds is truly amazing. Women’s rights in the Bible, you have to be kidding. I’m starting to think you haven’t actually read the book that you’re defending. Do some research on the verses saying daughters can be sold to other families and how you can have harems of woman. I’m not trying to be an asshole or anything but it’s just sad at this point. Your god approves of genocide, rape, murder, etc all in your holy book.
0 likes@Verified Yessir When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she shall not go out as the male slaves do.
0 likesThe women should keep silent in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but should be in submission, as the Law also says. If there is anything they desire to learn, let them ask their husbands at home. For it is shameful for a woman to speak in church.
Does this sound like woman were equal.
@Verified Yessir Ok good to know, your not really a Christian you just pick and choose the rules that you like and throw away the other ones that we recognize are terrible today. It’s called cookie cutter Christianity.
0 likes@Peter Sprenger context is very important instead of picking out chapters without context, read the bible in its entirety
0 likes@Peter Sprenger women were not equal in early Biblical times because they were cursed because eve tricked adam into eating the forbidden fruit.. this is why its important to read the whole thing
0 likes@i am peek what context is it okay to own another human being as property. I though this was supposed to be gods word, why are atrocious things being given instructions to do.
0 likes@Verified Yessir you are picking and choosing rules tho, I assume you don’t stone your kids to death if they’re unruly, and I also assume you don’t kill your neighbor if you see them working on Sunday. Your church only preaches the passages that are acceptable to today’s standard.
0 likes@Peter Sprenger again read the whole thing, back in these times it was a contractual agreement for poor people to either work in order to pay off debt, provided food, water or shelter etc. point is, the work is never against their will and is compensated fairly.. the slavery youre talking about is what the egyptians were doing in exodus, which is why god fought so hard to free his people.
0 likes@i am peek so spiking someone’s ear to mark them as your property and being able to beat them as long as they don’t die wasn’t against someone’s will. It’s hard to have a conversation about this when you dodge what your book actually says and just repeat, “it’s all about context”. I’ll ask again, would you be my slave under the rules in exodus and Leviticus.
0 likes@Peter Sprenger are ear piercings an act of violence now? Lol also it literally says that if you beat someone and they dont die you must pay for the time they lost from work and all of their medical bills.
0 likesAre you able to comprehend something better when you read something in its entirety or when you nit pick verses with little to no context?
@That guy well my knowledge isn't that great, but from what I know the Israelites took over a city and there was a plague. The people of the city were worshipping Baal which (cutting yourself and orgies) so that would be an assumption as to how the plague would have came. So Moses ordered them to kill the men and non virgins and then after that he gave them a cleansing process to cleanse them of the plague. Keep in mind that these were not God's instructions they were Moses instructions. There's a reason Jesus had to come to save humans from the punishment of sin 😂
0 likes@CHR1SPY so what’s the point of taking the little girls for yourself? You keeping bringing up the context as if it justifies or explains what happens. Little girls were taken as sex slaves because of a plague is what your trying to tell me? How does that cleanse them of the plague? Makes no sense. Plus there was a. Specific point as to why I brought up the verse. It was to refute the notion that slavery was a contract between the slave and slave owner as people in the comments were claiming. Also even if according to your book God didn’t command it, he neither rebuked it nor condemned Moses for what he did. What do they say in English silence is acceptance or something along those lines
0 likes@That guy God did condemn it way before they did it. They weren't supposed to do it in the first place. Nevertheless the girls weren't kept to be sex slaves. They were kept to become Israelites. The non-virgins were killed because they were tempting the men into sinful acts and worshipping idols like how I said before (Baal). Keep them for yourself isn't a sexual innuendo, it's a literal term that he was saying these girls belong to you. I think those girls would become servants to some and then marry when they are the right age. These were the common practices back then. Obviously it's messed up now, but that was how they lived back then. Idk what to tell you if you assumed people of that time period understood gender equality 🤷🏾♂️
0 likes@CHR1SPY you made a number of claims I would like you to substantiate. You said God condemned it way before they did it. When? Can you quote me a verse suggesting so? Moreover who told you the girls weren’t kept as sec slaves? Who told you they were to become Israelites? Bring your verses substantiating your claim. They clearly were taken as sex slaves. It’s not rocket science. Moses supposedly said to keep the young ones to yourselves. He said this to his tribes men. What purpose is there to keep young virgin girls to yourselves? Please tell me. Your explanation as to why the non virgins weren’t killed doesn’t make sense. What correlation is there between calling others to worship a false God and whether or not you had sex? There is none. Moreover you didn’t substantiate the claim that that’s even true to begin with. Keep them for yourselves is clearly sexual. What other purpose do VIRGIN girls provide at that time? If it was servitude as your trying to say then both non virgin girls and virgin boys would be taken in as well yet they weren’t. More specifically virgin boys. Why weren’t they taken in to be slaves when slave boys was common at the time? Clearly it was due to the sexual implications of taking virgin girls for themselves.
0 likes@Imperial Stats bible literally says rapists should be put to death by stoning. That doesn’t seem like condoning it to me
0 likesDude was really trying to tell a believer that the Bible is out dated
0 likesso are vegans gonna cancel wolves for eating rabbits?
0 likesAnyone else watching this while eating meat and not giving a fuck
0 likesJidion im kinda sad you didnt include the intro
1 likeJIDION IS THE BEST YOUTUBER
1 likeWhy bother buying a lawnmower when you have Vegans
0 likesYou’re going too far
0 likesbro vegan people are madd weird forreal they be sensitive as hell for no reason. like we get it you dont like meat but dont come up to me and say i cant eat it
0 likesi got a vegan ad before this video started 😂😂😂
0 likesmake me happy make me smile
0 likesHi 👋🏽🙂
0 likesLet’s gooooooo old outro
0 likesDamn Jidion getting into debates. Jidion for president 2024 🇺🇸
0 likesI legit feel sick if I don’t eat meat
0 likesI love meat give me urs
0 likesCan’t tell if jidion is Being serious or not
1 likeBanger
0 likesvideos better and better
1 likealkaline vegan is the healthiest lifestyle but ngl i be eating tf outta steak
0 likesThey are out here killing plants😪 those hypocrites
0 likesvegan dude got shitted on
0 likesI want that rawdogger facts shirt😭😭😭
0 likeshof menace to society
0 likesHe do got a point
0 likesReal ones saw this live
0 likesHey Jidion👋
0 likesIt also says in the Bible not to kill an animal to just kill it kill an animal to eat it
0 likesAs being a vegan for a yr shit be expensive thats why I stopped being vegan from a vegetarian that eats meat here and then 😂
0 likesThey get shot and slit on the throat so it's an instant kill...no pain...pain causes meat to loose its taste
0 likesI wonder if mfs acted like this wayyyyyyy back in time like no Dino meat plants only
0 likes😭
0 likesWho else was here way before 1 mill I’m so happy can’t wait for 5 mill and 10 mill good job man!
0 likesI’m vegan and i think this is hilarious
0 likesJidion I forgot to subscribe to u, my fault
0 likesDamn this that real beef
0 likesJidion shitted on him ngl n made him his bitch in the end hml if u fr in Florida
0 likesIg-Tao._s1
Does anyone know what webcam he’s using?
0 likesThe Nelk music had me dead 😭
0 likesDayum he went soft for this one
0 likesLMAO
0 likesOooo yea
0 likesGYOAT (Greatest YouTube of all Time)
0 likesF Vegans and F Tyrone too😤😤
1 likeYou gotta start making longer videos bro
0 likesif vegans care so much for animals they should just eat more meat so they arent wasting it 😲😲
1 likevegan dude hard headed af
1 likeWhy would God put animals on earth and say it was for human consumption if He didn’t want them killed😤
0 likesDude the balls you have gives me inspiration
0 likesI'M BOUTA BE THE HARDEST ASIAN ARTIST EVER 🤓📈🇰🇷🚀
0 likesReally interesting take on objective morality. That vegan dude is saying how his viewpoints are morally right, well if he is morally consistent, why does he eat plants? Field mice and other animals are killed when plowing fields, pesticides kill millions of insects. If he wants to be morally consistent, does he support these practices? The morality argument does not hold, so why is he vegan?
0 likesI live for this shit right here
0 likesExcuse me? Slavery is not justified in the Bible… Just because there are examples of slavery does not mean that it is CONDONED. Also, there is a difference between a bondservant paying restitution (which is Biblical), versus a slave who is innocent and forcefully worked.
0 likesnelk beat 🔥
0 likesIs it considered animal cruelty when a pack of hyenas tear a gazelle to shreds in the wild? Vegans literally have no basis for their argument other than some fake morality bullshit.
0 likesBro im so happy im a OG i new he would be famous and blow up keep up the good work bro
0 likes@jiDion look bro I understand both viewpoints but as a muslim I can say U can kill animals to eat yes but the thing is that like higher people who sell meat etc profit out of it and that's why it wouldn't be allowed in our religion either. We're not suposed to be greedy or anything in that way. We're suposed to kill a lam yes. Not for fun or for selling of this animal. Not that I'm vegan my man I love myself some good chicken etc but that's how it works in both the religions
0 likesYou got that guy craving meat now
0 likesI might have to make an Instagram account to follow JiDion. Cause seeing another JiDion vs Tyrone video would be awesome.
0 likesThis was funny af but hard to watch at the same time😭😭
0 likesThe vegans make a good point he was even partially right about the lamb but Christians don't sacrifice animals
0 likesVegan dude meets his match the black bean
1 likeThe bible does not justify slavery. Because someone work and serves you food does not make them slaves. Jus like I'm the bible those who work for their living sent slaves. The bible does not justify slavery people work for their living. Plus the master are supposed to treat their servants. Fairly and treat them like humans jus like u treat ur waiter with respect. Don't compare that to slaves again
0 likesi saw a vegan at McDonald's having a breakdown.. dont they know that meat not even real💀
0 likesYou got your ass owned. Sorry my dude but you ain't no Ben Shapiro
0 likesHappy 69th video Demarcus Cousins
0 likesEvery cow we kill help global warming what's wrong with saving your planet
0 likesThis video reminds me of when I met a vegan at a party and while she was drunk someone fed her a burger
0 likesVegan community doesn't realize that eating meat is the reason why humans brains have developed to create technology they themselves enjoy in the 21st century. If we lived off plants, we'd still be throwing spears.
0 likesJiDions a MASTERdeBATER😉😏
1 likeI respect people who can go vegan but personally I’m not strong enough to do that
0 likesBest 2021 YouTuber 🔥❤️
1 likeYESSSS
0 likesI mean if you think about it other animals kill animals every day sure we do it in huge numbers but at the end of the day we just doing what we have to go survive sure we have tons of other food options but we also have foods that are preferable like sharks prefer seals or something like that we just sticking to what we want to eat. Now do this stuff for sport is something else
0 likesWhen are vegans going to realize that hunters are the biggest conservationist's of anyone. Hunters do far more for ecosystems and animals than vegans do.
0 likesOne word.
1 likeDaBaby.
Here's the truth about death: https://www.amazingfacts.org/media-library/media/e/17275/t/truth-about-death
0 likesThe Sabbath:
Sabbathtruth.com
Here is the truth about revelation:
https://www.amazingfacts.org/media-library/watch/archives/o/1194/t/prophecy-encounter
watching while eating meat
0 likesThe killing of an animal is pretty traumatizing. I remember being like 7-8 years and seeing my uncles killing a pig and a goat. That shit had me fucked up but once it was on my plate, I forgot about all that shit. So I can see why people choose to go vegan. But for me, a slaughterhouse video or any type of videos like that aren't going to make me switch. It'll have to be a choice I decide to make myself.
0 likesHe was trolling and making sense at the same time
0 likesWait when did he hit 1 million subs?!? Last time I remember he had 850k-900k subs. That’s crazy how fast he hit it. Congrats on 1 million subscribers JiDion, well deserved!!!
2 likesL Pewdiepie
0 likesVegans close these fridge w there hips
0 likesThis is cringe bro 🤦🏽♂️, n I fr fuck with your content bro been subbed since 50k but damn you’ve changed
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Prob cuz you a vegan 💀
0 likesNope I just had shrimp for lunch , it’s just seeing this new side to him not that he’s growing is kinda sad he was wayy different before now it jus seems like he’s willing to do anything for views , just my opinion at the end of the day , no hate still love his work but I mean you can’t tell me he hasn’t changed
0 likesChanged in what way? This wasn’t even anything malicious.
0 likesThis video was pretty stale for sure, low hanging fruit
1 likethe animal was already did, he paid for it and he should be able to do what he wants with what he paid for...
0 likesWell this chicken and bacon sandwich is hitting right now 😜
0 likesWhen did hit a million wtf
0 likesThinking of eating Elk meat with Joe Rogan now 👨🦲
0 likesJiDion never loses
0 likesThis the new Tyrone
0 likesThis video has made my week 10x better
0 likesBringing a whole salad bar to a steak house
2 likesBest 9 minutes of my life
0 likesDamn my boy knows how to argue and shit
0 likesThis was pretty wholesome.
0 likesJiDion is based🙏🏼🙏🏼👍👍
0 likesDang Jidion smart 😝 guy was making counter points and had many big brain moments
0 likesThat dude better check to see if all his tattoos were done with vegan ink. It would look real bad if he's walking around with animal by products in his body full time.
0 likesPeak comedy
0 likesI’m vegan but who am I to judge a person who eats meat. What people choose to put in there bodies is none of my business. Ofc not humans that’s pretty concerning
0 likesI been subbed since 400k
0 likesInstead of worrying about what's in my mouth worry about what's in yours...word y u on my di
0 likes1:37 when he hugs the grandma
0 likes1:10 no thats not a good comparison, a good comparison would be the tens maybe even hundreds of videos of vegans not allowing meat eaters to get steak, pork, chicken, and dairy products from the store or butcher shop.
0 likesYo can i kiss you?
0 likesI'm eating chicken pasta while watching thus lol
0 likesJiDion, I KNOW you see this. Have a good day!👍
0 likesLove your channel keep going
0 likessomeone needs to powerscale jidion
0 likesis it just me or this outro always gets me litty
0 likesI love the content, but honestly that's pretty messed up how you had to cook meat in front of vegans
0 likesThe amount of times the vegan talked about throats being slit..
0 likes1:50 you can’t hide that am I gay quiz
1 likeBro beefin with the vegan
0 likesSo hypothetically, in a made up alternative reality, what if plants had feelings just like the feelings animals have. Would it still be ok to butcher and chop up plants for their fruits? Would veganism still be the pinnacle of the moral high horse battle there are desperately trying to win? Hypothetically tho
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Not all vegans do it because of the animal mistreatment. Tbh I'd say most of them do it because its healthier.
0 likesVegans need to do something with their lives
0 likesgood vid but lowkey a troll
0 likesGod put animals on the world for them to be eaten
0 likesLegend😭😭
0 likesJideon Shapiro
0 likesW for jidion being christian
1 likeOverall though the planet would be fucked in the butt if everyone was vegan
0 likesNo offense or none but animals were ment to be eaten
0 likesEven the bible on our side
Ion get it. What he think cavemen did? What he think lions and shit do in the wild to eat?
0 likesShoulda got him to say “Fuck Tyrone”
0 likesSounds like you need to make a new song called "Fuck Vegan Dude"
0 likesThat vegan guy owes me brain cells cause I just lost a lot
2 likesthat guys whole life is against animals getting shot and sliced but he won’t mention the Humans getting shot every day around the world. 🤨
0 likesUR THE GOAT KEEP GRINDING
0 likesThat white dude is actually right god doesn’t want us to kill animals
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But I love bacon
1 likeWondering If their no meat how do we live either way
0 likesVegans act like animals don't eat each other, why are we excluded?
1 likeThis video makes me want to get a triple bacon deluxe with extra bacon 😩
1 likeY
0 likesYea more daily posting
0 likesu the 🐐 jiDion
0 likeswho else likes wagyu meat?
0 likesHonestly if u look at pictures of people who went vegan they go from looking normal to looking drained only eating plant based foods isn’t healthy they ain’t getting that protein or the nutrients that non vegan food has
0 likesAt the end of the day… animals kill animals. Life isn’t all fun and games, and humans are animals
0 likesHad to rip off my goddamn headphones at 4:40 😭
0 likesDamn bro, you really told him lol.
0 likesW Prank
0 likesgood convo brodie
0 likesWE SUPPORT DABABY
0 likesThey don't shoot cows in the head and slit there throat in slaughter houses
0 likesThe Bible doesn’t justify slavery lmao
0 likes“You went from lil naz x to dababy like immediately”🤓
1 likeJiDion seems so underrated but has 1mill subscribers
0 likesVegans think people go shoot animals in the head for fun it’s not for fun it’s are food it’s part of life and they don’t suffer
0 likesBruh its so funny when he puts subtitles that they didnt say XD
1 likeHey vegans keep in mind if we don’t kill the animals there will be too many and both us and them will starve to death
0 likesMy guy was like human like animal that a monkey fool and I don’t think anyone eating monkeys 😂
0 likesi literally got my ig bio as fuck tyrone
0 likesWwwwww for Jidion he’s so right about the Bible and Christianity.
0 likesWhat did you blur out?
0 likesMan ima go have myself a fucken burger
0 likesPTSD from killing an animal? 😂
0 likesAw man JiDion got the funniest videos but he can’t debate for his life, Finland guy probably felt like he was talking to a wall
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Big L's in the chat
1 likeThat guys a good sport
0 likesI like the new pfp 😈
0 likesWe cookin. Beyond meat
0 likesIt's so crazy I saw you at 80 k now ur at a Million crazy bro keep it up
1 likeIf ur vegan u should not be allowed to drive cars
0 likesHi Dion
0 likesThat da baby and the very end of the video got me
0 likes@0:12 That dude looks like a rip-off version of Vinnie Hacker lmao
0 likesBest channel on youtube
0 likesThe Bible never encouraged slavery, it just showed that slaves were treated equally, but some ppl misinterpreted the bible
0 likes“I love meat” 🥩❤️
1 likeI bet he was sent by Tyrone we need a diss track on this man ASAP
0 likesThose animals were made to live and when they die they feed. It’s the circle of life it’s like us when we die decomposers eat us
0 likesIts just in 2021 as we have grown as a civilization so much, we dont need to kill animals to survive anymore, Im not gonna tell you to go vegan its just that there are so many other foods.
1 likeSo indentured servants are slaves bro?
0 likesThe 45 dislikes are vegan dudes burner accounts
0 likesJidion bout to hit 2 milli so quick straight bangers
0 likesDion saying big words I don't understand
1 likeJidon makes me wanna moan in his ear 👀👀👀
0 likesHeres what pisses me off about vegans.. they claim they are for the animals but at the end of the day, barely know shit about them. I know not all vegans are this way but this guy clearly is. "They probably volunteer at animal sanctuaries".. like hell they do. I love animals more than most vegans easy, yet theres no way ill stop eating meat. I know a vegan who preaches the same shit, Yet goes out of her way to step on spiders and has mouse traps inside her house. Veganism is only good if the animals dont bother them directly. If you dont wanna eat meat, Thats on you, But being an asshole to truckers is fucked up. Stay in your facebook groups and quit harrassing people to be vegan, As far as im concerned, yall deserved this. Much love ~ J
0 likesIf you ever watched promised neverland or the strain on netflix, you can easily say meat is wrong lol
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Nope I wouldn't p
0 likesfw this 😭 bro seemed so nice that i was just dying for you to reveal it was a prank
0 likesNo offense to vegans but ain’t plants living?
0 likesI love jidion even more since he has the goku wallpaper.
0 likesI WAS JUST WATCHING THIS BYEEEEE LMAOASJSOWJAI I LOVE JIDION and congrats on 1mill, you deserved it !
0 likes1.1 Million Already????? this is ur year
1 like1:51
0 likesJidion got something you wanna tell us bro?
Been here since 180k
1 likeI’m eating steak during this video 😂
0 likesBro never misses
0 likesHow is humans killing animals any different then any other animal killing animals for survival lmfaooo
0 likesWish these vids were longer 🥺
0 likesSo nobody finna address the fact David Ramms comment about whippin schlongs out is inappropriate only in feminist establishments? Idc about vegans or whatever bullshit but why mans gotta randomly throw that dumbshit in there? Someone needa ask how many times he done pulled his willy out in public
0 likesHello
1 likeIk shaq is proud of u
0 likesVegans care more about fucking animals than humans lolz
0 likesthe vegan can be a substitute for that one gta facts and glitches utuber
0 likesman jidion is the best ngl lmao
1 like🚬🐄 😂😂😂😂😂
1 likethat dude is crazy they way he talks about eating animals is so violent not everyone wants to eat vegan
0 likesJiDion speaking facts
0 likesHe was acting like you went to the slaughterhouse and picked up the meat directly......
0 likesFood is food, Idc if animals has to d** for it
0 likesThe end 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 "dababy" im dead
0 likesAnd Always Remember TYRONE DONT WANT THE SMOKEEEEE
1 likewait if he shit on why he ask you on his podcast
0 likesHow’s mc Donald jidon
1 likeGoated
0 likesThis giving CNN vibes. Good video Jidion you never miss with bangers 🔥🔥🔥
0 likesThe only YouTuber that puts a smile on my face
1 likeI’m not gonna lie being a vegan isn’t wrong but at the same time animals kill and eat each other everyday and we are animals, it’s part of nature and just because we became domesticated doesn’t change the fact that we are still animals we must eat to survive and sometimes other animals are the things we eat
0 likesWe jus gonna ignore he hit 1 mil???
0 likesWas jus bouta eat and my boy uploaded 👏
0 likesI bet you $100 Vegan Guy is Pro-Abortion…talk about knives and cutting 👀
0 likesI was eating a pork chop while watching this
0 likeshe has tatoos which is from ink which comes from people who kill squid
1 likeI'm surprised da Dion didnt get canceled for that last vid lol
0 likesWatches this W banger while eating a ham sandwich #fucktyrone
1 likeIt was better to be a slave back then cuz u had free food and a free place to stay and the kings would always take them to praise the lord they where to be treated the same way, and the the only way they can have tha is to work you got to do sum not just sit there and get stuff for free ,yk wha i mean
0 likesYou know he’s mad bro bro
0 likesIs it me or do you see the different camera qualify.
0 likesYeah it sucks animals are killed everyday, but it is what it is, and you need meat as protein and other nutrients you cant get from a salad or a bean burger. No matter how hard you try, there will always be meat buyers out there. Just like gasoline powered car buyers.
0 likesI ate chicken tenders before this video…..
2 likes57 Minutes Ago
0 likesWhy does this guy think slaughter houses use firearms to kill animals.
0 likesAt the end of the day u can’t stop humans from eating meat, it’s been survival of the fittest for a while and it’s never gonna change
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Frl and they act like animals don't kill each other for food as well. Animals won't stop dying just cuz we decide to not eat a few
0 likesJDion has guts bro, love this guy 😭😭
0 likesWho else is eating steak while watching 😂
0 likesI like the videos before watching them
0 likesHaha
0 likesI love you JiDion 🥲
0 likesJiDion you have a new big time fan :)) spreading the Gospel and hittin these suckas with pranks 🤯
0 likesMost vegans don’t get that meat is how humans became what we are that’s what the cavemen ate to survive and it’s are main source of protein
1 likeBruh he really said Finland 😂
0 likesI'm eating a bad of pepperoni while watching this
0 likesLet’s be honest we wouldn’t be mad if his ion made 20 min vids like dang bro
0 likesAnyone notice the secret message at the end 👀
0 likeshi
0 likesda baby at the end LMAFO!!!!!!!
1 like😂I support vegans yeah animald are tortured but! If they keep making meat to eat lol est that for preference.
0 likes“ I GOT PRANKED BY JIDION” merch coming soon ?
0 likesThat guy is a clown man he said “no one likes to kill animals” and I love huntin for the meat
1 likeMake a diss track on a dababy beat 😂
0 likesjust started watching his videos be mad funny
0 likesBanger
0 likesTheir shot in the head 🔫
1 likeThey have their throats slit 🩸🔪
Their shot in the head 🔫
They have their throats slit 🩸🔪
Their shot in the head 🔫
They have their throats slit 🩸🔪
Their shot in the head 🔫
They have their throats slit 🩸🔪
Their shot in the head 🔫
They have their throats slit 🩸🔪
Their shot in the head 🔫
They have their throats slit 🩸🔪
That's all this man gotta say 😂
Why is he so against killing animals. Yall really want pigs cows and chickens running around everywhere for no reason ??? Animals have to kill to survive and im surviving in the best way possible by eating yummy meat and protien. Real alpha shit 😈🐐
0 likesFkin dababy man....
1 likeCurrently watching this while gobbling down a Cheese burger 🍔
0 likesIf he smashed your camera in the intro we would of paid your bail if you hit him 😂
0 likesThis vid kinda sucks for those of us who already seen it on his twitch but still good vid Daddion
0 likesW
0 likesI'm eating a burger well watching this 🤣
0 likes51K in 51 minutes 😈
0 likesLet’s goooo
0 likesFire
0 likesJidion makin a cinematic universe
0 likes1:51 ayy I thought I was the only one who got the “am I gay ad”
1 likeDa baby
0 likesWats up wit that dude an slitting throats
0 likesJidion should make a PETA shirt people eating tasty animals
0 likesSee how these unstable vegans put words in ya mouth? That’s basically defamation… you didn’t pay someone to get an animal shot in the head. Most of us know what he means by that but for those that don’t they might really think you took a gun and shot an animal in the head. Crazy emotional vegans dude… smh. They’ll whip up anything to make you seem like a threat to humanity.
0 likesOne of your best videos to date ngl
0 likesits natural to eat animals
0 likes😂
0 likesI’m glad Jdion knows and believes In Jesus and the Bible !!
1 likeI swear some vegans just dont want to see the world prosper
0 likesWhats the song called????
0 likes"the same ass whipping your meat out infront of feminists" that's a whole crime not a harmless prank lmao
0 likesBibles been rewritten many times the Bhagavad Gita has not been changed
0 likesNEVER STOP MAKING VIDEOS
0 likesNEVER STOP MAKING VIDEOS
0 likesThe Bible does not justify slavery. And veganism is bad for you.
0 likesHonestly, the vegan guy is right. Jidion made it about something completely different
1 likeWhat he said about justifying slavery has no context behind it
0 likesIn both the Old and New Testaments, the words used to denote slaves did not necessarily carry the same connotations that we associate with slavery today. Only by understanding the biblical texts and the cultures that produced them can we understand what is being referred to in the Bible.
The stealing and selling of human beings, such as has been common throughout human history, is a capital offense according to Old Testament law. The return of fugitive slaves to their masters was also illegal.
In almost every instance, the kind of slavery governed by Old Testament law was debt-slavery, where an individual would offer labor in exchange for an outstanding debt that he could not pay. The laws that govern such transactions are given to protect the rights of such slaves, who could only serve for a maximum of six years.
Early Christians had to work out their treatment of one another under Roman law, which they lacked the political influence to change.
The Christian community was a counter-cultural movement in which social distinctions were all but erased. Jesus is the true Lord, and masters and slaves were expected to treat each other as beloved brothers and sisters and equal members of the body of Christ.
Les go
0 likesThe cow pack hit different 💨💨
0 likesI just find your YouTube channel two days ago, and it’s just the best content ever man congrats on hitting 1mill!!
0 likesIs it pronounced Ji-dion or Jidi-on
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I like how he hearted u but didn’t actually respond lol
0 likes@V I B E S ★ lol
0 likesI love this channel now
0 likesThe man really said that the Bible justify slavery lol
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0 likesJIDION is spitting facts after facts after fact damn, great vid and debate
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Yo that pfp lmao
0 likesthe moment you realize you kill plants by eating them
0 likesHinduism is the closest religion to the truth and it says to be vegan
0 likes👎🏾
0 likesAll jokes aside it might be offensive to the vegans but most animals are meant to be food and meat is healthy for you and most vegans I see are Karens. Edit : the guy in the video is really calm and nice and they had a good debate from both viewpoints.
1 likeNo no no it’s ok for us to disturb your restaurant, But it’s rude for u to do the same 😔
0 likesIt's messed up to kill animals!? Then we should kill all carnivores then because they just gonna keep killing the other animals.
0 likesYou should had made him say fuck Tyron
0 likesmy respect after finding our jidion is cristian
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Wow I never knew you knew the Bible that’s amazing
0 likesWaiting for Nelk to collab with him
1 likeMy favorite YouTuber
0 likesTHE OLD NELK MUSIC 😭😭😭
0 likesPeople like that dude make no sense at all I get if there mad about the extremely cruel things but I know a lot of people are fine if a lion kills something but it's not fine if we do it's stupid it's literally the same thing
0 likesWhere are my hunters at🏹🦃🦆🐊🐠🦀🦐🦞🏹
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0 likesDemarcus so inspirational bro
0 likesHere since 300k
0 likesBanger! I have first day of school tmrw
1 likethat conversation you guys had was really deep. glad that both of you respected eachothers viewpoints at the end of the day
0 likesMans doesn’t miss 🔥
1 likeCant wait to see Tyrone again
0 likesThis guy takes Scripture out of Context. He said did you know the bible promotes slavery? It'd called indentured servitude . You work right so basically you are a slave to your Job. The bible says Exodus 21:16 - And he that stealeth a man, and selleth him, or if he be found in his hand, he shall surely be put to death.
0 likesLeviticus 25:43 - Thou shalt not rule over him with rigour; but shalt fear thy God.
Brooo jidion is lowkey smart aff
0 likes44k
0 likesWas eating a burger while watching this shit 😭
0 likesHolyyyy man we need a JiDion goes hunting and cooks the meat in a vegan restaurant video!!!!
1 likeDEMARCUS
0 likesbro shot his shot and didn't miss, W
0 likesW vid 🔥
0 likesNo F*CK TYRONE? Now im sad
0 likesdamn bro vegan dude was lowkey making sense - still not gonna go vegan tho
0 likesWhat’s up
0 likesJidion twerk to lady Gaga in the mall
0 likesDo it again
0 likesI'm an actual butcher and would love to see you come out to show you that are animals live an amazing life and die a quick and painless death. In Northern California come on out
1 likeWhat about the plants tho???
0 likesI work at a meat harvest plant and that’s not how we get meat
1 likeThe vegan does make sense. more then 70 billion farm animals are consumed every year in America. Meat is just tradition ,government(regulations), religion , social media many are raised to believe men eat meat. Honestly it is wrong to once you become more aware, but i can't stop eating meat.
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dude exactly. Like i love beef but its so bad for the environment on a larger scale that vegans are lowkey right. But still I'm not about to stop eating meat regularly, i'm selfish like that.
1 likeNice
2 likesTyrone 2.0
1 likeYou should make an omegle video
0 likesBro a menace😂
0 likesReal one was on the stream 😂😂
0 likesPlant based diet isn't all about animals, its about how good plants really are for you and meat products give you cancer.
1 likeBruh everyone knows it’s fucked up to kill animals but they just taste so fuckin good like I’m sorry but that’s a fact 🤷🏻♂️
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Frl bacon be so good I can't give that up
0 likesW fucking Vid😮💨🔥🔥🔥
0 likesYou will see Tyrone today!
1 likeBro you gotta make that dabs by thing your permanent outro. It had me dead for no reason
0 likesJidion IS THEE biggest W
0 likesJiDeon once again tells cancel culture to go fuck themselves. Love it.
1 likeThat was a banger.
1 likeLOVE THE NEW PROFILE PICTURE
0 likesGO SEE TYRONE
0 likesPeople don’t understand that all animals have a purpose, a cows purpose is to provide meat for humans to eat
1 likeHe's no faze rug ong
0 likesVeganism is stupid, it's like a lion choosing to be a mouse.
0 likesLol animals are killed humanely in the slaughterhouse but lions have try hunting zebras in the wild and when the zebra runs away, his guts are hanging out of his stomach, vegans gotta calm down
0 likesI try to be vegan but I thought it was funny
0 likesyou going up fast this year
0 likes"Shoot their heads and slit their throats" they gone after they shoot their heads, they won't feel their throats being slit after they're dead, it's either being shot in the head or being eaten alive by predators in the wild, it's fucking normal jeez 🤦♂️
0 likesTry spread veganism in west Africa you will get laughed at. A lot vegan don’t understand or recognise their privellage to live in a western society where they can have that choice of food option whereas in west African countries you eat whatever you can to survive.
1 likeI watched this while eating a fat ass burger.
0 likesCome in Paris !
1 likeLet’s go jidion
1 likeI have not seen a YouTuber say they believe in the Bible until now
I stand with you proud
mooooo!!"LOST IT"
0 likesMmmm meat is so good😂
0 likesI never knew you were a Christian, much love brother <3
0 likesI love your videos so much bro I’ve watched everyone of them
0 likesI have so much respect for you bringing in the Bible as a fellow Christian
0 likesThis gives me tyrone vibes
0 likesCRAZY cause if lions and wolves and shit had the power to dominate us they'd be feasting on us rn
0 likesThis was pretty lame ngl
0 likessame shirt homie doesn't change
1 likeJiDion wins all day
0 likesNah. Eat some smoked ribs and fried chicken, then tell me shit. U can't
0 likesYour giving him clout stop giving that lame attention
0 likesI like how your starting to become more open about the bible each video. Keep doing it bro
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no bro, he should not keep doing it, I watch his videos for entertainment, not to hear about the bible. If I wanted to hear about the bible I would just read it.
0 likesPushing religion in videos ain't it
@ElderFlame stop watching his videos than lmaoo its that easy
0 likes@Keitheem i dont want Jidion to become Bible Reading Club channel, that's doo doo garbage, he makes funny content.
0 likesThere is deadass no reason to bring the bible into his videos, no reason. It'll just get backlash, Christianity isn't the only religion my guy
Bro if he saw how other animals ripped up other animals in the wild he would go protest there
0 likesBro speaking facts . Jidion the goat
0 likeslol the bible does not justify slavery
0 likesWWWWWWW
0 likesI eat meat but i the bible it says that after jesus was sacrificed, he was the last sacrifice so that no animals or people would have to.
0 likesBro you and Rickey help me smile in those tough times
0 likesSaying the Bible is outdated
0 likesThat prank reveal 😂🤣
0 likesYo dis nigga bro is to fuckin funny🤣
0 likesMans looking fruity
0 likes1,000 and 1 comment hehe
0 likesTell that dude to STFU. Let me eat my chicken nuggets
0 likesI heard him say he was gonna drop this on ig live lol
0 likesJesus love you all
0 likesFr ate 4 hotdogs while watching this
0 likesBro he is just so funny lmao
0 likesJiDion when the Demarcus Cousins shirts dropping ?
1 likeIf everyone goes vegan animals still ganna die so why waste it😐
0 likesJiDion never misses a banger
0 likessaw that am i gay ad on youtube on his phone anyone else get that lmao
0 likesWidionn 😫😫
1 likeive been a fan of ur videos since u had 500k😂😂
0 likesJidion a walking W
0 likesyessir
0 likesYou should invite him to a pig roast
0 likesYo you realising How the guy is only Using These words: ANIMALS ARE GETTING SHOT AND THEIR THROAT SLIT.
0 likesThis guy got on arguments
Vegans act like we suffer those animals… it’s just life I don’t see nothing wrong with it. If we can’t eat meat go tell that to the other predators that eat other animals to stop 😂
0 likesEating a nice juice steak while watching this
0 likesHe definitely took blm out his bio
0 likesMake sure to keep up big bro I hate Tyrone btw I’m a pro raw dogger
0 likesPeople can get mad at this mans for copying others videos, but u gotta remember he just does them better. Keep up the good work my dawg
0 likesY'all should collab more
0 likesThis one’s not that cool Jidion. It makes you look very ignorant and very very immature. You’re only 20 though so I understand.
0 likesI can’t even get through the whole video, but what the guy said in his intro is exactly right. They’re harvesting animals from birth to be slaughtered and eaten.
Imagine if in your last prank video: the vegan guy slits your throat, he ties you up, hangs you upside down so your blood drains out of your body, skins you, chops you up into cuts of meat, then sells you to the butcher to be eaten.
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Bro r u good? Tf 💀
0 likes@Spickle yeah 😂 sounds fucked up right? What if I told you that’s what they do to animals….
0 likes@Christian Heath nah u just sound crazy comparing jidion being completely murdered by a random dude to animals being killed to fill our tummys. We aren't gonna stop eating animals just cuz it hurts u. If it hurts u dat much go fix it. Amen
0 likesThat dude was a g
0 likesgoing from lil Nas x to dababy happens all the time
0 likesI LOVE THIS CHANNEL BRUH
0 likesJidion just don’t miss y’all 😂
0 likesYou should be like is it cuz I’m black😭😭
0 likesyour audio is shit
0 likesonly person i have the bell on for
0 likesDa baby in the end
0 likes@JiDion what where you blurring
1 likeLife’s simple… JiDion uploads, I watch. 🤷♂️💯
0 likesthis man make me laugh so much
0 likesIt’s crazy how you already at a mill 🤭
0 likes“Am I gay?” 💀
0 likesI love you nohomo
1 likeI mean to be fair. I literally do not know a single vegan person who is annoying about the fact that he's vegan. That being said, Ter Marsh has the beat burgers in Amsterdam ‼️
0 likesjmujjm
0 likesI started watching him and couldn't stop
0 likesMy respect for you being a Christian went 🙂
0 likesHe’s so soft
1 likeYou at 100k at the time of this comment brotha
0 likesI agree
0 likesProtect this man's from cancel culture
0 likesLiterally just had this David dude project at me in the comments section so seeing him get ripped apart by you is suitable karma.
1 likelove u man keep up the good work
0 likesJidion ur a beast bro I love what ur doing with the channel abs how u stand by ur faith love u ma boi ❤️❤️ Keep up the good work
0 likesI love when T-mac posts
0 likesthe whole point of having animals on this earth is to eat them, there aint no reason for a 300 pound animal eating grass and rolling in mud.
1 likeMe being a carnivore 😈
0 likesbro how many times is this man going to say, "there being shot in the head and their throats are being slit"
1 likeDudes actually mad smart
0 likesAnimals do not have the same value as a person, they were put on this earth for a reason, for man to rule over them, Also the funniest thing is the people that the people against killing animals are the people saying abortion is ok.
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Just cuz we don't hold them to the same level as us doesn't mean they need to be treated unethically, also abortion is about the state having no right to intervene with a woman's bodily autonomy, also sorry but if you haven't raised a kid while working a minimum wage job trying to make it by with food stamps I really don't think you should have any say on abortion, and don't say "just put the kid into an adoption center" because that's arguabley worse
1 like@M C putting the kid in an adoption centre instead of killing the baby is not worse
0 likes@Josh so they can spend most of their lives inside whatever run down adoption center they get thrown in and maybe if they're lucky enough to fit the requirements of what a couple wants they get picked? Sorry but I really don't take the opinions of pro lifers that seriously, cuz the only period where yall care about the kid is the 9months that they're in the womb, after that they can fuck right off
1 like@M C that’s not true, there are some Christians who have lawyers who will fill out all the paperwork and put the kids into family homes without the mother paying a cent, your argument is basically saying that the child should be killed because they will have a hard start in life
0 likesJust followed on ig bahahahaha
0 likesLmaoo i saw this live in your twitch 😂❤️🙏🏾
0 likes0:49 stay mad
0 likesMan really said they get ptsd and depression from meat cutting😂😂😂
0 likesHe got 100k on insta
0 likesGood shit man
0 likesJust be thankful for what you are able to eat :)
0 likesAny lurking angry vegans wanna debate on discord about veganism?
0 likesAnimals eat animals 🤷🏻
0 likesDaBABY
0 likesIma a black Muslim and jidion u are my nigga
1 likeguys i think the vegan teacher is typing
2 likesI honestly think shooting or electrocuting animals is wrong and should be illegal. Halal and Kosher is the way to go.
2 likesLove this vids man
1 likeThat guy that made a video about you straight stupid plants have feeling too so might as well not eat shit and die the video was a banger fuvk people feelings they too sensitive
0 likesI wonder if there’s any vegan Lions 🦁
0 likesayyyy banger Jesus loves you
0 likesThis vegan soy boy be exaggerating.
0 likesEvery upload is a banger!
0 likes🤣🤣
0 likesTyrone 2.0
0 likesNice
0 likesImagine making a hate video about food lmao.
0 likesNew Tyrone??
0 likesJidion had way better arguments. There is no right or wrong. It's about what you believe in that is all.
1 likeThis guy carrying 2021
1 likeBro this vegan man buggin 😭🤣🤣
0 likesThis vegan extremist just didn't land 😭
0 likesI’m watching this while eating my chicken.
0 likesyooo did he just say your the crazyist fers out their
0 likesThis was actually annoying. The guy wanted to genuinely talk.
1 likeBiggest troll in Yt history
1 likeBe careful when Messing around with Extremist vegans because they will kill a Cow and throw blood at you to prove a point
0 likesJidion really got all political💀😹
0 likes1:10 this might be the single worst analogy anyone could ever think of
0 likesI like meat... No homo
0 likesAye jidion Love you 😘
1 likeAll praises to the most high
An argument against vegans is that if there house was infested with mice or bugs they would probably hire an exterminator to kill them. Which destroys their whole argument about slaughtering animals
0 likesW stream!!!!!!
0 likesVegans lecture us on how animals are killed horribly to get eaten like we don’t know that but I’m pretty sure everyone knows they’re killed ok we’re not fucking idiots and these animals aren’t killed for fun. They’re killed so that we can survive by eating them. We kill them so we can survive
0 likesBANGERRRR🙌🏽🙌🏽
0 likesPretty simple, don’t antagonize people for funny money. Bringing meat into a vegan restaurant goes against all of those people’s principles.
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But it’s funny
1 like@Still12fear ok 🤷♂️ if that’s the case people like you can’t be mad when someone antagonizes their beliefs
0 likes@DR DOOMER but he wasn't mad
0 likes@tana I’m talking about the last video
0 likes@DR DOOMER yea he's not mad he just find it funny
0 likes@tana thank u
0 likeshe said slit throats and shot in the head every 5 seconds
0 likesThat dude was way to smart for you to argue with 😭
0 likesI fucking love this man.
0 likesNo hate toward the vegan dude, he was very chill
0 likesNever understood it, animals die no matter what, when I'm dead I don't mind if a niggah eats me,
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They don’t harvest you
1 likeThere’s no verse in the Bible that says slavery is justified
0 likesW meat
0 likesVegan Teacher is typing...
1 likeWe were born to eat meat not just plants
0 likesWhat a wholesome video
0 likes4:00 the background music 😂
1 likeI hope Tyrone messaged your mom
0 likesJidion back w another banger what’s new🥱
0 likesAnimals kill animals all the time in the wild is that wrong????? Same thing with humans killing animals, we technically are animals as well.
1 likew
0 likesBanger😎😎
0 likesWhat David said about the Bible is BS and hypocritical
0 likessaw this live
0 likesA feminist restaurant 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
0 likesFunniest thing ever!!😂😂
0 likesBeen here since “who can rlly dance at my school” comment when you started watching this young goat🐐‼️
1 likeRespect to the other guy. He had some great points.
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0 likesOk ok
0 likesJidion is very intelligent and sounds very smart
0 likesVegans shouldn’t exist animals must kill for food if cows were in the wild they wouldn’t last a second they are properly taken care of then killed rather than eaten alive by a predator
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You know there are cousins species of cows in other countries right……….
0 likesBuffalo? Bison?
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0 likespro
0 likesMe eating chicken while watching the cideo
0 likescongrat's on 1 mil
0 likesdo vegans not understand that animals also eat other animals... we're literally all animals, and the earth doesn't care about your feelings, its eat or be eaten bro.
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We’ve evolved to a point where we don’t HAVE to kill to eat anymore. We realize ethically that it is wrong & we have found food that does not require you to harvest animals from birth.
0 likesI’m not a vegan. I literally eat meat everyday & I love meat. But we have to at least be honest with ourselves & admit the truth which is: we don’t want to stop eating meat because we like eating meat.
Don’t make the ethical argument. Cause you’re either not thinking about it hard enough, or you’re lying to yourself.
Just think about the golden rule: Do unto others as you would have others do unto you.
@Christian Heath yea but the thing is, in reality there really isnt anything wrong with killing an animal for food. Why should there be, like i said animals kill other animals for food and dont think anything of it. We are animals as well and always will be, so what if we have evolved to a state where we can simulate meat with plants, if you wanna use the ethical excuse, plants are also alive. Not as advanced as animals but still alive. No matter what we do to eat we are taking life away, so who cares if you are eating meat or plants. I also dont agree animals should be killed brutally or beaten ofc, thats a problem that needs to be solved, but my point is that if you want to eat meat you shouldnt feel like its wrong in any way.
0 likesVideos definitely gotta be a lil longer u 2 funny bro
0 likesBoost your audio a little bro plz, that way we can hear better watching outside & shit
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You can turn it down- can't turn it up more tho
0 likesW
0 likesthe vegan dude looks like hes trying not to laugh at some points lmao
0 likesit would be even funnier if he cooked real meat
1 likeGood argument
0 likesDid this man said the Bible JUSTIFIES SLAVERY?! Wth bruh that’s BS
1 likehe always make bangers
0 likesU the best !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
1 like🐐
1 likePlease get this nigga to 200k 😭😭 I need jidion to face Tyrone again
0 likesBru somewon else was gonna pay for it if he didn’t sorry to tell ya my ginger Bru
1 likeWalmart making bands of this guy
0 likesLike if jidion goated
0 likesLove my schmeat but the vegan guy seemed like a good dude
0 likeshe is the best in the game
0 likesWhy do they always say that bro they acting like you killing the cow by not buying it your just letting the cow die for nothing
0 likesCan u PLEASE visit Tyrone
0 likesJiDion is a walking WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
1 like24th can't come soon enough
0 likesWow another banger
0 likes2:43 "Charles Manson" 💀
0 likesBack in the day we used eat animals all the times it’s caled hunting we just hunt better and easier now
0 likesDisclamer Twiter ppl he trolling tf outta this dude calm down
1 likeBro he went from planking the man to fill out beating his ass in the debate 😭😭
0 likesOnly ppl with white privilege can be vegan
0 likesFuuuuuu Tyrone 😤🔥😤
1 likeThis Vegan dude don’t think animals die everyday so we might as well eat them
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Animals die of natural causes every day, the reason Vegans are against the meat industry is because they're forced to lives their entire in terrible conditions, not be because they simply get killed
1 likeOnly meat I like is man meat.
0 likesYessir jidion with another banger
0 likesIts not fucked up to kill an animal imo in nature the lion kills and eats the deer its normal
0 likesyws sirrrr
0 likesthat was an amazing discussion
0 likesLol
0 likesHumans are omnivores, accept it.
0 likesd
0 likesBeen watching since like 30k
0 likesI realized when he said "it's not a belief" that he thinks he rules the world
0 likesGotta post more often bro these videos funny ash
0 likesXD
0 likesDude is already at 1 mill and a 100k. Damn
0 likesGo follow because we want to see Tyrone
0 likes9:44
0 likesbruh u to funny
0 likesCrazy that he says he cares about animals, but the cushions on his headphone are made of leather.... I'm vegetarian.. more for the health benefits though.
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Exactly
0 likesJiDions so underrated all his videos are bangers🔥
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hey
0 likesIm a plant activist #savetheplants spread the word ✊🏾✊🏾✊🏾✊🏾✊🏾✊🏾
1 likeW video
0 likesIly jidi
0 likesJesus was the ultimate sacrifice so that we don’t have to sacrifice animals anymore. We can still eat meat tho 😋
0 likesPeep the “are you gay” ad at 1:51 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
0 likes1:50 "Am I gay" 💀
0 likesbro is actually funny asf lol
1 likeThis guy is the CEO of animals getting shot in the head and getting their throat slit
1 likeThese Vegans Hating😂😂😂
0 likesHes going to be on that vegan teachers next video
0 likesYou need a pet pig!
0 likesThis mean JiDion is getting famous
0 likes5:41 THATS A CLIP!! 😂😭😭😭😭😭😭
0 likesOh yeaaaa Jidion
1 likeLeave Tyron alone bro
0 likesAnother banger
0 likesthis man genuinely makes me laugh
0 likesWya vegan teaCH
0 likesTHE GOAAAAAATTTTTT
0 likesimagine it was real meat he just threw the vegan meat away and had the wrapper
0 likesi wasn’t expecting to hear a full on debate when i clicked this video
0 likesThe burger i ate while watching this tasted really good
0 likesThis mans changing my life with his videos and the upload consistency is amazing you agree and feel the same blow this post up👍❤️
1 likeNgl ur my fav YouTube
0 likesDid he never learn about the food chain. What the hell does he think wild animals which are carnivores eat? They eat other animals. It’s the way of life and that’s something he needs to understand. The fact that he says the Bible is pro-slavery is quite funny as well. That’s complete and utter bullshit.
0 likesJidion blowing up like crazy, I love this dude #LLSHAQ!
2 likesThat feminist comment didn't even make sense lmao
1 likeYou got 1 mill bro love your content god bless you ‼️‼️🦍🖤🖤🤩🥳🥳
0 likes1:24 pogcast
2 likesok
0 likesJidion W
1 likehmmm this argument sounds pretty familiar
0 likesOmg daddy of making me laugh
0 likesi like that he wasn't a complete douch about it
2 likes0:55 he acts like the animal wasn't already killed 🤦🏾♀️
0 likesBruh Being Vegan is a life style
0 likesTried a beyond meat burger today for the first time in my life. Kinda random that you upload this video the same day. Ps: the burger was fire tho
0 likesThe controversy OOOOOO
0 likesYo love your vids
0 likesIn french we say : " c est un crakitos"
0 likesJidion just stays winning and making people smile.
0 likesW
0 likesDam
0 likesCool guy
0 likesyessirrr
0 likesTell him to stop being a snowflake and eat a rack of ribs in front of him
0 likesI never thought a man could have that much cake 😩
0 likesBrodie finna have a whole vegan war on yt😂(I was also the one that made that Pokémon yt background thing🙂)
0 likesChimps, lions, polar bears etc all eat meat what’s the difference between us and them eating meat. We are just better at getting the meat.
1 likeProud to be hear before 1 million LLS
0 likes😂😂😂
0 likes🐐🐐🐐
0 likesW vid
0 likesAstagfirullah he said it seems like something...😡😡
1 likeThe da baby at the end killed me 😂😂
0 likesNumber 1 actor right here
0 likesW video❤️🔥
1 likeyo
0 likesImagine choosing to chomp on lettuce instead of a nice juicy steak
0 likes1:50 what is you looking on that phone
0 likesDaBaby
0 likes9:31 best part btw
1 likeCrazy how far he came
0 likesThe dislike must be the vegan
0 likesCan't wait for the merch #rawdoggerforlife
0 likesI hate vegans bruh
1 likeJiDion legend
0 likesNotice me
0 likesLove your videos JiDion keep up the good work 😁
1 likeNah bro you wrong for this, this shit ain’t even funny 🤦🏽♂️
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Is some stupid shit id never say 😭😭
1 like😭😭
0 likesJideon went out and found us the male vegan teacher.
0 likesSuch a troll haha
0 likesThis vegan yute thinks he's intellectual but he really is waffling
0 likesOnly bangers jidion
0 likesEarly Gang wya‼️✅🙌
0 likesVegans are mental lol
0 likesbro you be getting those am I gay ads too?? 😂😂 1:51
0 likesi was in the stream 😂
0 likesThe guy was interrupted my boy the entire time💀
0 likesAjo 1.1 mill lesgo
0 likesI kinda feel bad for the guy because he has to argue such a dumb point and JiDion just spits so much facts and you can tell he gets upset because JiDion ain’t tryin and spittin fax
0 likesJidion on the come up
0 likesThe Bible does not justify slavery MOSES FREED THE SLAVES FROM EGYPT BECAUSE GOD HATES SLAVERY HELLO
0 likesanimals shot in the head and slit in the throats counter?
0 likesWe love meat
1 likeThis is actually crazy💀💀💀💀
0 likesprofessional raw dogger 🥶😈
0 likesWHERE THERES INTRO
0 likesYo the other guy dosent have eyebrows
0 likesNigga you too wild Fr😂😂😂😂
0 likesGotta back up Christianity Jidion. ❤️
0 likesthis dude so funny
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1 likeW debate
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0 likesYES GO SEE TYRONE
1 likeEdit: IS THAT THE NELK MUSIC?!?
Been here since 600k nice to see he hit a mil
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1 likeHe finally got 1 mil yessssßss
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0 likesHe said he fucking knew it😂😂😂💀
0 likes2:34 had me shitting myself so hard
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0 likesJIDION the GOAT
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STILL SMOKING THAT COW PACKK😹
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1 likeThey got beef literally
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1 likeComment if you was watching the live reaction
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1 likeFollowed that ig brother
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0 likes1k likes in 1 minute wtf
0 likesBanger again be sure to cop the merch
0 likesHey jidion you called me at like 4 I. The morning the other day on Instagram but I wasn’t there to pick it up the group chat was called the guys 😔
0 likesI love your confidence Jidion
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1 likemy boy jidion makin money on the other video 🙏🙏🙏
0 likesI had a burger today
0 likesJidion gang 🖤❤️
0 likesDress yourself like tyrone then try to manage the place
0 likesCrybaby youtuber what’s his yt
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people mad about anything 💀
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1 likeVegan diss track
1 likehe said lil nas x to dababy.. because ur black? 🧍🏽♀️💀💀
0 likesI love that I found u 8 months ago
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1 likeBest youtuber who else agrees
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0 likesI’m already having a good day Jidion upload just made it better 💯💯💯
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1 likeDrop a Disstrack……
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0 likesOmg thank you you and tj and Danny Duncan have posted in the past 24 for my birthday today thank you so much imma be purchasing merch real soon
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0 likesA menace. Period. A menace to society 😂
1 likeProfessional Rawdoggers in Clear Lake assemble!!!!
0 likesRip young boy
0 likesGood day when jidion upload🔥
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1 likewhen the merch restock
0 likesDaBaBy 🤓
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1 likeCongrats on a million subs
0 likesCongrats for 1 mil
0 likesDo you read the Comments?😐
0 likesImma start doing public pranks
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0 likesWassup Jadion
0 likesJiDion=best YouTuber
1 likeYoooo early to a jidion vid no way ur my fav YouTuber
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0 likesHi Jidion I love all your vids have watched the all also rip shaq he was the goat
0 likesgonna be another banger
0 likesAlready know this is a banger 🥱🥱
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1 likeneeded this jdion upload ngl
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0 likesIt’s in my ass you gotta get it
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0 likesBeyond meat 🤣🤣🤣🤣
0 likesMy boo Tyrone
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1 likeWidion back with another banger
2 likesHey daddy
0 likesJIDION I LOVE YOU BRO
0 likesWOWO LOVE YOU JIDION 😎
0 likeshey bro
0 likesMuch love
0 likesJiDion=best YouTuber
1 likeFirst pappi 😘
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1 likeFirst😎 love your videos
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1 likeLol
0 likesW video man like always
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0 likesLmao I just watched that angry vegan!
0 likes2nd i think anyway noti gang
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1 likeJidion collab with LLS LOVE LIVE SERVE
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0 likesCONGRATS ON 1 MIL BRO
1 likeI’m very early
1 likeVegan version of Tyrone
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1 likeW vid as always i don’t even gotta watch it
0 likesI’m a og started watching u at 195k
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0 likesDaddy dion!!!
0 likesI love your vids keep up the great work
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0 likesJiDion = 🐐
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1 likeAnother banger from dababy
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