As a Christian, I just want to say real quick that it’s important to remember the context of scripture and that the definition of slavery in biblical times is FAR different than how we know it in a modern understanding. That’s all I wanted to say. God bless 💜

@GoofierClock I hate all religions equally

But their is actually people out there that follow the Torah...

They call Jews

So ya your antisemitic and a nazi, so beat that 😎

@Figaro Figaro That in the bible, but that the Torah (a Jewish scripture) in the Old Testament you talking about NOT the Gospel (a Christian scripture) in the New Testament, of which Christians have to or suppose to follow the Gospel NOT the Torah!

Well by your understanding, Christianity is outdated and should not be followed.

@iHoosier4 Were you alive during biblical times lol

Void I’m not sugar coating it. Slavery was different in biblical times. People often wanted to be in slavery willingly, signing contracts and being given food and a place to stay. They were released after a certain period of time, with a reward at the end. The relationship was entirely different. I’m not justifying slavery, especially not slavery in our modern understanding. Simply pointing out that it’s important to remember the context

Void listen to history bro, this is litteraly how it was back then you just wanna deny it, people became slaves of there own free will for free shelter and food and house etc, not every single slave owner is bad there is a lot of slave owners who treated there slaves as family. People signed up to be slaves

Also The Bible doesn’t rlly encourage slavery and warns slave owners about having them

@Figaro Figaro nope. All I’m saying is that it is important to remember the context and that the meaning of slavery in biblical times versus how we understand it today is different. I never once said I support slavery, in fact I’m strongly opposed, especially in our modern understanding. You’re putting words in my mouth

@iHoosier4 yes that's literally what you're doing.

We are slaves now working for the government

@Wee Wee Same "evidence" that Spiderman, Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny existed. Look at the Bible objectively.

@Figaro Figaro people really eat that shit up bro, breakfast, lunch and dinner. 😂😂😂

Can somebody help explain this to me in easier English

@Figaro Figaro there's actually tons of evidence of Jesus' existence

@Michael Manso Imagine saying someone is taking a Bible verse out of context. When in real historical context there is no evidence of a Jesus ever existing or any of these stories being substantiated. The Bible in its word approves of enslaving young female virgins to rape and killed their families, which is genocide.

@sbright21 as I stated it doesn’t have to say slavery to actually be slavery. Let’s look at the definition of a slave according to the Martian Webster dictionary. “Slave: : a person held in forced servitude”. If keeping “the young ones for yourself” isn’t forced servitude then I don’t know what is. They were clearly sex slaves

@Michael Manso ok no problem. You claimed I didn’t contextualize the situation and you were just presented with the opportunity to do so. How does that in any way discredit what I said or even refute what I said? I responded to a specific point of someone where they claimed that God never said to go make someone you slave without their consent and brought a clear passage were this was the case. You didn’t refute what I said you just “contextualized” it yet the fact still remains and those little girls were taken kn without their consent

@That guy Numbers 31:17 reads as follows “Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.” Idk WHAT version you’re reading that mentions slavery.

@That guy you are trying to put two and two together, but that isn’t how the chapters before it went. Previously the children of Israel went to the promised land. The midianite where told that the land in front of them was part of the moabites and to go around, but the midianites wanted to go and have a holy war with them, because a physical war would be difficult to win. So they told the women to do it with the men of Israel to go back on their believes. Than later on Moses said to them: “kill all the boys and women who slept with a man but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man” so you just picked it out of context.

@ttoys Customs you said that God never said to go make someone your slave without consent. Explain numbers 31:17-18 where Moses supposedly said to take the little girls as sex slaves. The verse doesn’t specify say slaves but you don’t have to be a rocket scientist to know what’s going on. Why are little girls being allowed to be taken by the men?

Leviticus 25:44-46<br>‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves.

Leviticus 25:44-46
‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves.

@Figaro Figaro  His argument where the Bible justifys slavery is incorrect. Bible protected slaves. Slavery was way different back then, lemme explain. Back then people became slaves of there own free will because they would be provided shelter a place to stay, food etc, so people became slaves of there own free will, the Bible never once said go make someone a slave against there will. The Bible protected slaves from death and things like that. You can’t take the Bible out of context. So the Bible never justified bad slavery, it justified good slavery and I’ll explain one more time, people became slaves of there own free will back then yes some people forced people as slaves but they were disobeying God because God never said go make someone ur slave without there consent. So the Bible encouraged good slavery where the slaves were protected not encourage bad slavery where the slaves could be killed. I’ll say it one more time, people signed a contract of there own free will to become a slave And in return they would recive shelter food etc. God protected slaves from death and things like that with his rules on slavery.

But most of those slaves became slaves because they either praise other gods or their nation lost wars

The damn Bible does allow slavery, sanctions it and sets its rules. You get to beat your slave and won't suffer consequences if they don't die in 3 days. You get to keep your Jewish slaves wives and children if the husband is freed etc. The Bible is a screwed up book written by people who lived totally different than what the world is today. Their norms would be considered barbaric today.

vissipio Yea I don't know much about the topic. Thought the Bible approved some sort of slavery.

@iHoosier4 Thanks for the kind explanation. I will study on my own with the basis of what you told me.

@About Time good question. I’ll preface with the fact that I do not know all the answers. However, the slavery that the Bible “condones”, if you will, had a sort of blessing from God. It was a relationship built on faith with both parties invested in their faith. However, when Egypt enslaved the Jews, this was an example of evil coming into play. This was the work of man and not the slave relationship that God had intended, just like slavery that was built on racism. Egypt had a very oppressive rule and it wasn’t until Moses that they, the Jews, were led out of that rule. I encourage you to do your own research on the topic!

@iHoosier4 What about the Jew slaves ancient Egypt had in the Old Testament? To my knowledge, they weren't in joy or handed a reward at the end of their tenure. Were there different kind of ''slaves''? If so, was the Bible approving only some types of ''slavery''?

@HighScore47 definitely a better way of thinking about it. Slavery in biblical times was very much focused on a strong relationship between servant and master. It was often thought of to be a joy when you were a “slave”. You were kept and fed well, often with a reward at the end of your tenure

Yea the slavery the Bible mentioned is not the same as the slavery we had here in the United States about racism . It’s another form to slavery. Like Indentured servitude


I just ate a double whopper eating this without any second thought😂


What JiDion needed to say is that yes - it is a FACT that animals are dying, but whether that’s wrong or not is a BELIEF just like the other dude denied it was.

I happen to agree with him that it’s fucked up, but he’s still wrong about it not being a belief


They became philosophical after the prank lol


JiDion is now my favourite philosopher lmao


At least the animals could roam freely, play around, and live in peace until the day they never knew was coming. But those poor plants they were tortured confined to the little bit of ground they have with the sole purpose of being eaten. They had it worse, at least the animals did experience some happy moments.


Could of put up a way better argument though. Every once in a while I get into it with my siblings. My one sister decided to go vegan like 12 years ago when she was 12 after seeing some video of a slaughterhouse and all that. She said she did it for the animals at that time.

At the time I was like good for her. If she can do it andnit makes her happy so be it. She then convinced my other sister and one brother to go vegan as well a few years later.

But then it was like a cult or some crazy group. I would hear her watching videos saying how us meat eaters have been brainwashed and blah blah blah. Like it was some crazy shit.

So then I decided to start a discussion one night. It made me angry because they try to make me feel like a terrible person and crazy because I eat meat. I didn't do that to them when they went vegan. I just said you do you.

But my brother had a little more to say and said he does it for the future of society. Not just because he doesn't want animals harmed. But he told me that slaughterhouses and the like make up for a very large part of the pollution problem we face.

I honestly didn't know that and I looked it up and saw it was true. So it was a decent argument but I said why because of your belief is it ok to put me down and make me feel like a terrible person which he had no real answer.

I also said I mean our bodies were meant to eat meat. Vegans can't just be vegan and live a healthy life. They have to take all kind of supplements to make up for the deficiencies they have BECAUSE they don't eat any meat. So why if we were born and our bodies were meant to eat meat is it wrong?

It just baffles me because like you said. A lot of them are crazy and go to far and think just because they have a good cause its ok. Just do your part and do what you think is right and let the rest of us live our life. And only because of science, technology and knowledge are they even able to have so many vegan choices. If we went back 100 years I'd love to see them survive without eating any meat.

@Jdm Guy How lmao, we were created with herbivore teeth, but we've evolved to omnivore😂 I was just saying the way humans were created

@Carlos Mendez thats actually not quite true

@Cain Magnetic you’re so ignorant bro lmao. Please explain to me how slaughtering animals in the most Inhumane ways possible isn’t animal cruelty. Like…  you’re making no sense at all. It’s not just a belief that eating vegan is better for the world because animal agriculture is the cause for about 14.5% of all green house gases in the atmosphere. Eating vegan is the most efficient way for an individual to reduce their carbon footprint. Nobody is stopping you from eating meet. Just say u don’t care about animals and you don’t care about climate change 🤦🏻♂ It’s not that hard to do

@Hansel Carmona Obviously humans back then werent advanced enough to process meat en mass as we do today, duh. The original point was that we wouldn't be as developed of a species in the first place if it wasnt for the consumption of meat and that is SCIENTIFIC FACT. It is NOT a fact that eating meat is cruel that is YOUR BELIEF. A fact is something that is indefinitely 100% true. An opinion like "eating meat is cruel" is NOT A FACT.

That being said, you deny you called people terrible for eating meat but then all you have to do is scroll up and see your original reply which you did in FACT say, and I quote, "Technically you are a terrible person for eating meat lol."

The belief that a vegan lifestyle is better for the world is just that. A belief. Not a fact just your personal belief. Eating meat has its benefits on the human body and is just as essential to your physical body just as plant based foods.

@Cain Magnetic I literally never said ANY of that lmao. Mfs rlly like to twist my words Nd shit 🤦🏻♂. Humans of the past weren’t mass murdering animals in unethical ways and destroying the planet in the process. Animal farming is the cause for 14.5 percent of all greenhouse gases in the atmosphere m.

@Hansel Carmona Technically we're terrible for eating meat....? Tf does that even mean. So every human to ever exist is terrible because at one point in everyone's life they ate  the flesh of another animal. Dumb logic.

Go on the american dietetic association and look what they say about the vegan diet. It is healthy for all stages of life and can lower risk of some cancers. This is based on alot of peer reviewed studies and meta analysis.

they dont need that many supplements as long as they're eating properly and some vegans are extreme af but there will always be those people. there are meat lovers who are extreme af and there are many people with different beliefs who are extreme af. veganism is more healthy, i just couldn't do it myself.

Our bodies were not meant to eat meat. Not like you see apes or monkeys go around eating meat and stuff. The only reason people back then ate meat was to gain the nutrients from that animal that the animal gained from eating inedible things like grass and such. The native Americans ate the Buffalo in high amounts because the Buffalo ate stuff they could not eat and they ate the Buffalo in turn to gain the nutrients the Buffalo has. All nutrients that we can find in animals we can find in plants and their products. The only reason we eat meat now is because of recipes made by our ancestors to make the meat taste better and we passed those recipes down to now as tradition. I’m not really considered vegan but I do eat a lot more plants than I do animals due to the health precautions meat has. I only eat meat for family gatherings and large events tbh.

Their decision to be vegan isn’t based off of a “belief”. Beliefs can be true or false. It is a FACT that eating meat is (1) cruel and (2) harmful to the environment. They aren’t causing harm unlike you are. Technically you are a terrible person for eating meat lol. I’m not saying this because I’m vegan, I eat meat and fish myself, I’m just saying it how it is. It wasn’t wrong to eat meat in the past because it all comes down to today’s overpopulation and extremely high demand of meat. Nobody is forcing anybody to be vegan. They are however opening your eyes to the damage you cause by choosing to eat meat.

okay slaughterhouses cause pollution okay and? At this point in society name something that majority of humans benefit from that DOESN'T cause pollution. Automobiles cause pollution but without them production in society will slow down to crazy lows since peoples' commutes will be crazy long.

Cows fart out methane gas that is 23 TIMES more damaging to climate than carbon dioxide from cars.
Shit, if our ancestors never ate meat we'd still be throwing spears and living in caves because the meat from animals helped develop our brains to the point we're able to live a society of such technological advancement in the first place. Yep thats right the same vegans calling us crazy and bashing us because we don't fall into their weird ass cult culture are enjoying the technology of today because their ancestors ATE MEAT.

Humans are OMNIVORES. We need meat just as we need vegetables and plant based foods. A diet with no meat makes for a weak human

Only supplement is B12, unless the vegan has abnormal health conditions.

We were actually created to eat vegetables but I agree with you

Yeah I got some crazy ass family like that too best thing I do is ignore them cus they lack the ability to listen once they're at that point. Nice story bro.

I meant meat farms and meat processing plants cause a lot of pollution. The slaughterhouses send dangerous waste into the water affecting aquatic life and other things*


I'm a meat eater but I'd be lying if I didn't consider giving it up every now and then. It sucks that its the best thing to gain muscle with and be allround healthy


Love how she hints in things like “daddy” in the subtitles.


Aside all the jokes and pranks, Jidion is smart you can see it in this video he knows a lot and he has his facts and everything


I feel so bad for dude he’s just trying to have a serious civil conversation with him and he’s barley taking it serious.😂 savage


its kind of sad that this is the highest level of fire content he could put up. Like his videos aren't getting better which means they have reached got tier level videos


I got pranked 🤦♂ I appreciate you using your channel for such an important discussion, respect for including the main points of our conversation.

I dare you to watch "Dominion documentary" here on YouTube, and when you decide to go vegan Google "Challenge22" for a free vegan starter pack 🙌


Lmaooo bro look I’m vegan and I’m not gonna sit here and judge somebody else’s preference of food because it’s not effecting me but bro just know that shit isn’t going in my body 🤷🏾♂😂 this shit was guts tho


Man jidion was acting like my dad when he was on that call 💀


W for mans sitting back and having a grown up convo good content bro


Giving that old lady a hug was random and awesome at the same time 😂

I was looking for someone to comment this bruh that shit has me dying 😂😂


As soon as someone says their belief isn't a belief but an object truth means you won't find any kind of common ground lmao


I can’t trust anybody who avoids religion all together. It proves they don’t want to learn more and they think they are enough to solve anything.


Bro someone tell me how the guy who takes baths in zoom meetings just folded a vegan expert in a debate


I understand a vegans POV but the same thing goes for lions in the wild, they viciously tear apart zebras etc. Another example can be snakes and the buying and selling of rats. My snake isn’t gonna become vegan… Meat is a need for human diet in many reasons

We don’t have the same moral responsibilities as snakes, if there is a more moral solution such as not eating meat when you have the choice to avoid animal suffering, it should be taken

If snakes were as intelligent and interpretive they’d be held to the same standard, but we understand they are strictly instinctive creatures

@Max Zettinig the meat industry isn't one of the main causes for climate change alone it's the food industry in itself both meats and plants need to be imported from where they're produced to stores around the world, releasing greenhouse gases and then when the food comes to your plate let's say you bought 5 kgs of food, and you only ate 3 kgs of that food now the remaining 2 kgs are going to decompose and release greenhouse gases. When a cow burps or pisses that would usually be reused by nature in some way but of course if its in high emissions it does cause problems, but these issues aren't found in just the meat industry the plant industry is a problem for the planet just as much for example how avocados farms in Chile (avocados being a fruit that is only around because we humans keep it around there's no native animal in the tropical America that is capable of eating them and spread their seeds) destroy the environment by draining most of the water from the surrounding rivers with illegal pipes. All that said I do agree that its horrible how animals suffer in slaughterhouses but going vegan isn't going to help with climate change or stop us from making animals suffer since plants require lots of water, situations like what's going on in Chile would become more common around the world, and you also have to factor in that not all land can be used to grow consumable plants on contrary to animals that have way less restrictions when it comes to where they can live, and they don't eat the same plants as we do so their food isn't being farm where ours could be, so it's not realistic to have all humans eating plants without making more farms which would mean that deforestation would be needed to open up space for them and that doesn't guarantee that there would be enough food for all of us. For us to live in the masses that we do, we have to make animals suffer one way or another.

@Max Zettinig I understand where your coming from I try to be as open minded as possible. But what your arguing is more of an animal cruelty problem then an actual vegan and meat consumption and yes I understand it has turned into this big industry but at the same time, like my snake example, the same thing is being done to these rats but we aren’t gonna make snakes Vegan

Thats not the same. If we only ate the meat necessary it would be different imo but we breed the animals only to have them live in cages, pumped with chemicals and to eat them. Its really cruel. Also as the meat industry grows they keep making more space for it and thats one of the main causes of climate change. If people only ate the meat needed naturally then it would be fine but its not that way. I dont think eating meat is bad but in this comment section it seems like everybody is really close minded and that nobody even understands why its wrong. I think its partially because we don’t want to admit to ourselves we’re doing harm so it’s easier to shift blame.


1:37 mans just hugging grannies what a wholesome man


Rip Shaq he would’ve been so happy for u hitting a million

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@Rudy Lee bro😭😭😭 I don’t know if u joking or not

@XxXLil_PenguXxX Shaq was shot 😔. He was a really nice and funny guy. Sucks he had to go out that way. RIP legend.

@HKROW nigga I get you're on your grind but this is not the place to promote yourself please read the room but good luck 🤞🏾

@XxXLil_PenguXxX if i remember correctly he got shot. RIP Shaq

@Rudy Lee bruh he means jidio's friend shaq

Umm the basketball player shaq is not dead its was just a hoax

@HKROW  bro how do u promote urself on me saying rip to someone not cool

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The fact that jidion believes in the Bible gives me so much more respect for him!!


Jusion so inspirational man you had some great points to make


😂😂😂 the vagan maniacs big forehead almost exploded when  you request that bacon.


The vegan guy was intelligent and is a nice guy. Well done by him. JiDion got pretty defensive in this one. Actually keep an open mind because the vegan made good points.

They were both defensive, the vegan is the most defensive cuz he even made a video reaction trying to defend his point of view.


my respect for JiDion went through the roof


He didn't contract a hunter, it was already on the shelves of Whole Foods.


I'm a logical thinking atheist. But still love comedy.


Me sitting here watching this eating a fried Bologna sandwich 😂


This man is finally getting the recognition he deserves

WARNING ⚠ JESUS COMMANDS YOU TO REPENT OR PERISH!!! YOUR SOUL IS ON THE LINE!!!!


Why was jidion lowkey good at debating tho


I luv the random hug he gave a lady in the store lmao


I like how his beef never goes on and on


I saw the haircut video and now i can't stop watching his vids 🤣


What you should’ve asked him was what he thinks about other animals killing other animals?How he feels about that.

Check my YouTube channel.YouTube censoring me.


I've been watching you for some time, you've just become one of my favorite influencers! God bless you bro, this is amazing! Give these people an inch they take a mile and you ain't give em a single inch.


"You went from lil nas x to Dababy instantly" I don't know about anyone else, But i would take that as a compliment, That's an upgrade right? 😆


Me: eating spicy chicken wing thinking he's talking to me 😂😂😂


JiDion legend!! What a great conversation with David and what a great video this one 💥💥 Thanks for admitting the mistake of bringing actual body parts to the restaurants. And thanks guys for including my comment on the phone hahaha 😂❤

@David Ramms you've done something amazing! Making this debate and reaching to do many people through his channel!!

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Not sure I heard you call him daddy but I'll let it slide


JiDion s only opitnion was to be against the vegan guy lmao


jidion: the bible says you can eat meat                               extremist: but no


Neither of them really know the Bible but I do have more respect for jidion for bringing up the Bible.


I just started this video and I can smell a “smash the beef” joke😩


I love how JD just bought a whole different grill.

@J M Guess that shows that he wasn’t expecting to make this video 😂


Hahah him huggin this old lady killed me🤣


I remember when I was five I went to A vegan restaurant and I ask for nuggets 😏


My man Jidion the next thing
We see the grind
Don’t stop 💯


That “Dababy” at the end always cracks me up😂


Love this video. They disagreed with each other respectively and turned the convo into a banger video 😎


I feel bad for that vegan dude when Jidion interupted him while he's talking, but damn it's hillarious af


What about the plants?  Vegetables have feelings too.  When you cut a tomato you can hear it scream ... if you listen closely.


Stop interrupting JiDion, hear..listen..speak lol I feel you tho I get hyped and get to cuttings humans off as well lmao


nah bro I feel like this man just saying anything to be right, jidion is bringing up valid rebuttals and his only reply 8 minutes in is "but what im saying is the truth"


Respect for the Vegan man for even doing this interview! Most of them would of just left after seeing him cooking the patty 🤣


This discussion was actually really good


1:55 Dion got that goku wallpaper respect levels zooming through roof


That vegan dude kinda annoyed me to be honest some of the things he said where just wrong but I do still respect him he took a prank well and he seems like a good person who wants to help.

@Heavens Pace oh yeah for sure If I’m speaking in my opinion most vegans really only do it to feel better about themselves or make them think they morally better, but in the end it’s there life idc enough

Just cause he’s not eating meat, that’s not stopping the slaughterhouses . If he actually wants to save animals that’s not the way to do it, he makes himself sound self righteous just cause he doesn’t eat meat.


JiDion: “what’s your religion?”
Vegan: “I’m autistic”
Viewers: “Makes Sense”


I know many butchers who don’t show any signs of PTSD


Love when someone responds in good spirits. I completely agree. I could never give up meat cause I feel it is a crucial part of my survival but more power to all the vegans who can function on plant based material


Jidion: At the end of it all tho, I love you<br>Vegan: uhm yeah

Jidion: At the end of it all tho, I love you
Vegan: uhm yeah


This guy really said people who hunt and process have ptsd and anxiety🤣


I like how I’m watching this while eating steak and chicken lmfao


didn’t realize it was a prank till u showed the patty package


you know deep down inside he wanted to try that burger when he started showing it at the camera

@HKROW we all know damn well that ur other acc/friends acc😐😐

@microwaved fridge thanks bro, appreciate it bro 💪🏻

My videos are similar style to Jidion, I’m a New Youtuber and tryna hit my dream of 5k 🔥🔥


This was a great debate really was both was getting valid points across solid video


Gordon Ramsey would be impressed if he saw this


Another (impossible) Beef squashed by JiDion!


Bro, the prank wasn't even that funny, but JiDion makes it 1000x times better


This guy is in a different level of content and entertainment


Mashallah habibi presented a very good point about objectivity, and the truth is that it can only come from God, otherwise it's all subjective.


Jidion makes a great point and he says I do think it’s fucked up to kill animals but you also have to think about if they were us they would do the same thing because eating is an instinct of survival and you need some things that meat provides also to the fact that if we didn’t animals are more than likely to overpopulate


Yo why Jidion low key big brain and good at debating and stuff like that lol


i love how he mentioned different religions not just cristanity


I thought this guy was gonna be crazy asf but he's actually kinda chill, props for him


he complimented you "you went from lil nas x to dababy immediately" bro that's so sweet :)


Bro get Demarcus on the DEBATE TEAM! My guy speakin cold Facts.


I went into a discord server with open speaking to ask questions about vegans and I asked if cow sweat is vegan and if sucking toes was vegan since toes are meat


Literally went and made a ham sandwich after watching this


you can tell he's a herbivore because of his weak insults

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Bro when he’s getting the stuff from the store and it randomly cuts to him hugging a grandma💀💀


Ji dion just became one of my favorite you tubers


like bro, this guy turns anyone into a karen


Holy shit he’s actually a good debater wtf

@jo blio dude faxxxxx. I was here sitting down thinking “ ahh fuck Jidion don’t know wtf he finna say” but MANS HAD SOME FUCKEN VALID POINTS LIKE 🥲👏👏

@jo blio Here's the truth about death: https://www.amazingfacts.org/media-library/media/e/17275/t/truth-about-death

The Sabbath:
Sabbathtruth.com

Here is the truth about revelation:
https://www.amazingfacts.org/media-library/watch/archives/o/1194/t/prophecy-encounter

Fax bruh, I was just smiling as he brought up some points that he couldn’t argue with 😂 never seen this side of him


i’m glad he brought the Bible into it because that was a very valid point that it says you can’t eat meat and you should amen 🙏🏻


People aren’t just vegans because of saving animals a lot of people are vegans because they wanna Be healthy😭


Great job when you brought up the religion ,


LOL this dude does not want to know how the precious metals in his headphones were mined. lol


As a good friend of David Ramms and a fellow “extremist insane” vegan activist, I will say that was good ass prank lmao. But JiDion, referring to the mini debate you had with David, I have to say that the problem with appealing to religion to justify the mistreatment of others is that your religion could theoretically say anything. If “God says it’s fine” is the justification being used to mistreat animals, what logically follows from that is you accepting anything God says as moral, as moral. So if god came out tomorrow and was like  “kicking dogs is all good”, you’d have to accept that. This kind of position also puts you in no position to argue against other people from other religions justifying violence with their religion, because that’s exactly what you’re doing. Unsure if this is a position you want to hold bro lol. Aside from this, you’re funny asf.

Thank you man. Someone that actually makes sense lol. Jidions argument was complete trash from the beginning.

Thank you man. Someone that actually makes sense lol. Jidions argument was complete trash from the beginning.

@King of Catfish so what? A strong slave might have more value to their captor than a weak slave, but they both have the same moral worth because they have the same capacity to experience suffering and well-being.

@King of Catfish so what? A strong slave might have more value to their captor than a weak slave, but they both have the same moral worth because they have the same capacity to experience suffering and well-being.

@anthonydude animals breed to coexist with people like dogs have more value then animal breed to feed us like cows

@anthonydude animals breed to coexist with people like dogs have more value then animal breed to feed us like cows

@anthonydude The most I’ve done is fish, but sure I’m an animal abuser I guess. My family has killed animals, so we can eat. Because that’s apart of our culture. We do it every year, and my ancestors had also done it every year when they lived. Though it wasn’t a slaughter house, it was one lamb once a year.

Some people can stop If they feel compelled to do so, but I feel that I wouldn’t be able to do it. A lot of my diet comes from various animals, alongside my livelihood.

God wouldn’t just “come out tomorrow” and change things up my friend lol that is a poor example of what you were trying to explain.

God wouldn’t just “come out tomorrow” and change things up my friend lol that is a poor example of what you were trying to explain.

@FaKe Big Maq it's got nothing to do with what I think, it's just reality that your unnecessary lifestyle choices inflict abuse and suffering on innocent animals. Of course I can't stop you, just like I can't stop rapists from raping or child abusers from hurting children. If you choose to be an animal abuser, that's on you

@FaKe Big Maq it's got nothing to do with what I think, it's just reality that your unnecessary lifestyle choices inflict abuse and suffering on innocent animals. Of course I can't stop you, just like I can't stop rapists from raping or child abusers from hurting children. If you choose to be an animal abuser, that's on you

@anthonydude No I’d rather not. I don’t care about what you think. I won’t ever change because there is no need.

@anthonydude No I’d rather not. I don’t care about what you think. I won’t ever change because there is no need.

@FaKe Big Maq congratulations, you've noticed a similarity between plants and animals! Now see if you can spot a difference...

@FaKe Big Maq congratulations, you've noticed a similarity between plants and animals! Now see if you can spot a difference...

@anthonydude Animals and plants both taste good. Unfortunate that they die, but it is what it is.

In the end it’s an opinion that you would never be able to change.

@anthonydude Animals and plants both taste good. Unfortunate that they die, but it is what it is.

In the end it’s an opinion that you would never be able to change.

@Saffy I have no idea what point you're even trying to make. Just stop paying for animals to be abused for an unnecessary reason, it's quite simple really 👍

@Saffy I have no idea what point you're even trying to make. Just stop paying for animals to be abused for an unnecessary reason, it's quite simple really 👍

@anthonydude So you are telling me you just went vegan to make yourself feel better? You won’t convince anyone like that, in fact you going vegan isn’t even helping the animals that you want to protect. Maybe we should just devolve back into wild animals... oh wait we would still be eating meat lol

@anthonydude So you are telling me you just went vegan to make yourself feel better? You won’t convince anyone like that, in fact you going vegan isn’t even helping the animals that you want to protect. Maybe we should just devolve back into wild animals... oh wait we would still be eating meat lol

I'm going to eat more animals, respectfully. After that, I will only eat more. I want you to know that those animals will then turn into my shit down the toilet. There is NOTHING you can do to stop me, respectfully. Your comments and replies will only make me eat MORE animals. There is NOTHING you can do about it but cry at the sight of my OWN shit.

I'm going to eat more animals, respectfully. After that, I will only eat more. I want you to know that those animals will then turn into my shit down the toilet. There is NOTHING you can do to stop me, respectfully. Your comments and replies will only make me eat MORE animals. There is NOTHING you can do about it but cry at the sight of my OWN shit.

My thing is, animals are being killed anyway, if a million people are vegan, they’re still going to kill and market the animals to eat. I might as well just eat them, i’m not doing more harm than good i’m the situation, no matter what we do they’ll be killed. So i might as well eat them.

My thing is, animals are being killed anyway, if a million people are vegan, they’re still going to kill and market the animals to eat. I might as well just eat them, i’m not doing more harm than good i’m the situation, no matter what we do they’ll be killed. So i might as well eat them.

@Zen Rhys dude really asked who are you to say that plants don't have feelings. I have 0 respect for humans as a whole now. Thanks l.

@Zen Rhys dude really asked who are you to say that plants don't have feelings. I have 0 respect for humans as a whole now. Thanks l.

@Zen Rhys nah you don't really NEED to eat meat as a human but you gotta eat your veggies tho

@Zen Rhys nah you don't really NEED to eat meat as a human but you gotta eat your veggies tho

Being a vegan does more damage to our environment then eating animals 🤨 we need plants to get oxygen, killing plants takes so much breathable air out per plant killed.. Animals use oxygen to breathe as well. You're telling me that if vegans killed all the plants and we didn't have oxygen is better than some animals being eaten for food? Don't get me wrong i don't like animals being killed, but using the eating a plant based diet is better for the environment logic makes no sense.

@julie williams huh? what are which animals going to eat?

@julie williams huh? what are which animals going to eat?

If everyone went vegan wtf are the animals gonna eat 😟

If everyone went vegan wtf are the animals gonna eat 😟

Watchu mean if god comes out tomorrow and says that. God ain’t dropped any new updates recently...

Watchu mean if god comes out tomorrow and says that. God ain’t dropped any new updates recently...

@JR Fresh a balanced vegan diet is extremely healthy. A standard western non-vegan diet is extremely unhealthy

@JR Fresh a balanced vegan diet is extremely healthy. A standard western non-vegan diet is extremely unhealthy

@anthonydude again, a balanced diet is much healthier than a vegan diet

@anthonydude again, a balanced diet is much healthier than a vegan diet

@sayajin I've made plenty of comments on this thread, so feel free to peruse them. They say arguing with an idiot is like playing chess with a pigeon - and I don't have time for either.

@sayajin I've made plenty of comments on this thread, so feel free to peruse them. They say arguing with an idiot is like playing chess with a pigeon - and I don't have time for either.

@anthonydude I'm afraid that if my iq is below 50 then yours would be in the negative range.You couldn't put up a proper argument to my points earlier so you resorted to totally go off course and commenting on my iq in an attempt to insult me,tsk tsk poor guy.

@anthonydude I'm afraid that if my iq is below 50 then yours would be in the negative range.You couldn't put up a proper argument to my points earlier so you resorted to totally go off course and commenting on my iq in an attempt to insult me,tsk tsk poor guy.

@sayajin it's hard to have a conversation about a serious topic with someone with an IQ below 50

@sayajin it's hard to have a conversation about a serious topic with someone with an IQ below 50

@anthonydude man don't change the focus to something else,I'm talking about eating meat here,it'd been like that since the old ages. <br>Why don't you vegans start a movement to stop animal on animal violence then,go talk to the lions and tigers to stop preying on herbivores,because it's 'wrong'.IK you'll bring up the argument of 'they have no choice they have to eat,they are biologically wired to prey on them herbivores'. Then well the herbivores are just lower than the lions in the food chain it's normal right,and we humans are on the top,we can eat both meat and grass,it's normal.

@anthonydude man don't change the focus to something else,I'm talking about eating meat here,it'd been like that since the old ages.
Why don't you vegans start a movement to stop animal on animal violence then,go talk to the lions and tigers to stop preying on herbivores,because it's 'wrong'.IK you'll bring up the argument of 'they have no choice they have to eat,they are biologically wired to prey on them herbivores'. Then well the herbivores are just lower than the lions in the food chain it's normal right,and we humans are on the top,we can eat both meat and grass,it's normal.

@sayajin what's 'normal' is also irrelevant. In some cultures boiling dogs alive is 'normal'

@sayajin what's 'normal' is also irrelevant. In some cultures boiling dogs alive is 'normal'

@anthonydude but the thing is,kicking cute little puppies is not normal,eating meat is,this one time is hostel I didn't eat meat for about 4-5 days and my body starter to feel weak,but after I filled my tummy with juicy tasty protein,I could feel my body coming back to life,my muscles felt it was back to normal,and I was happy.end of story. <br>Moral of the story:I love meat

@anthonydude but the thing is,kicking cute little puppies is not normal,eating meat is,this one time is hostel I didn't eat meat for about 4-5 days and my body starter to feel weak,but after I filled my tummy with juicy tasty protein,I could feel my body coming back to life,my muscles felt it was back to normal,and I was happy.end of story.
Moral of the story:I love meat

@sayajin you can eat something else. You only eat meat because you like the taste, it's not out of necessity. The guy kicking the dog just likes the sound it makes. What's the difference?

@sayajin you can eat something else. You only eat meat because you like the taste, it's not out of necessity. The guy kicking the dog just likes the sound it makes. What's the difference?

But the thing is,God wouldn't say kicking puppies is okay,animals were intended for food anyway,the guy that would be kicking the puppy is just doing it out of straight cruelty but we have to kill the animals for meat,how else can we get it

But the thing is,God wouldn't say kicking puppies is okay,animals were intended for food anyway,the guy that would be kicking the puppy is just doing it out of straight cruelty but we have to kill the animals for meat,how else can we get it

@Zen Rhys Not vegan but what you said doesn't make any sense lol. No, being vegan does not and would not kill more lives. The ecosystem doesn't depend exclusively on humans, in fact we make up 2% of bio mass in the world. That means if you rule out humans eating meat completely, the food chain wouldn't just collapse. And science is certain that plants cannot form conscious thoughts

@JR Fresh I can't what? This is a position statement from the world's largest body of nutrition scientists, the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics, based on a review of hundreds of peer-reviewed studies: "appropriately planned vegetarian, including vegan, diets are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and may provide health benefits for the prevention and treatment of certain diseases. These diets are appropriate for all stages of the life cycle, including pregnancy, lactation, infancy, childhood, adolescence, older adulthood, and for athletes."

@anthonydude except you can't. and I don't have to provide proof for that as there are studies everywhere about it. Veganism is not as healthy as a balanced omnivore diet.

@anthonydude except you can't. and I don't have to provide proof for that as there are studies everywhere about it. Veganism is not as healthy as a balanced omnivore diet.

The problem with your argument is that you are also assuming transcendental you cant deny a man because he believes in god your evidence is logic is real and denys god but logic is also invisible as god but you assume it pretty easily? Morality also holds the same value as logic both very important but why do you assume them if they are invisible as god?

@CAP’N CRUNCH that’s literally just incorrect. A simple google will tell you animals are by far the highest quality protein source. Plants lack certain amino acids and thing like that. Broccoli does have a higher protein count per calorie then steak but in order to get the same amount of protein from broccoli as you would a steak you’d have to eat over 6 full cups of chopped broccoli. So 1 steak equates to about 6 full cups of broccoli. And that’s disregarding the fact broccoli lacks 3 major amino acids steak has.

@Sabari hariharan i have no guilt for eating meat 😭💀

@Sabari hariharan i have no guilt for eating meat 😭💀

@Niklas.Bruggeman you don’t know shit… protein comes from plants, not animals

@Niklas.Bruggeman you don’t know shit… protein comes from plants, not animals

@Cameron MacDonald Im taking about vegetables and fruits. Those are the ones killing msot animals. Not barley and grain, those barely kill, when wqs the last time you saw a humminbird or a fox eating grains ?

@Cameron MacDonald Im taking about vegetables and fruits. Those are the ones killing msot animals. Not barley and grain, those barely kill, when wqs the last time you saw a humminbird or a fox eating grains ?

@Othmane hari Yes and that's even more reason to go vegan. 80% of the world's crops go to feed animals. So by eating meat you're not only killing 5x more animals accidentally during harvest and from farmers not wanting animals around, but you're also killing the animal you eat on top of that. So by your logic you're actually killing significantly more animals than you originally though.

@Zen Rhys you feel fucking guilty for meat eating and project your guilt and try to guilt trip vegan for being voilent with plants. Okay let me come this way you can't avoid killing plants at least you can reduce animal suffering then see what we do with plant suffering. If you can't stop unnecessary suffering that you cause by killing animals you don't have a say in vegan's abusing plants.

Nigga Grapes 8K UHD I'm applying the ridiculous logic that others have used to another context to show how stupid it is

Nigga Grapes 8K UHD I'm applying the ridiculous logic that others have used to another context to show how stupid it is

@Othmane hari unfortunately, yes, our current method of dealing with protecting harvest is a ruthless one, hopefully we can adjust to a better method in the future. But at the moment it IS necessary since we need crops for survival, vegan or not. Eating animals is not for survival in modern society, its for taste, unnecessarily harming them for pleasure is cruel and unjustified. As you said, we must accept that we cause harm by existing, but that doesn't justify deliberately causing harm. Anyway, if you don't like that we shoot these animals to protect crops, and the vast majority of these crops are then fed to animals for non-vegans to kill and eat... We need far less farmland for a vegan food system, meaning less crop deaths

@Hugh Jaynus it's not accidental in the vegetable industry. Crows, hedgehogs, coons, foxes, rats, hummingbirds and other animals are intentionally killed and poisoned by the farmers because they would consume the entire field if left alive.<br>"It sucks that we have to cause harm to exist" that is the compromise of living, whether you're eating meat or vegan your diet is the result of many animals being killed and displaced. Either accept that compromise or be detroyed by it

@Hugh Jaynus it's not accidental in the vegetable industry. Crows, hedgehogs, coons, foxes, rats, hummingbirds and other animals are intentionally killed and poisoned by the farmers because they would consume the entire field if left alive.
"It sucks that we have to cause harm to exist" that is the compromise of living, whether you're eating meat or vegan your diet is the result of many animals being killed and displaced. Either accept that compromise or be detroyed by it

@Othmane hari theres a big difference between accidental death and murder. Also, 2 thirds of plants grown are fed to animals that we then kill. Plus veganism isn't claiming perfection, it sucks that we have to cause harm just to exist on this planet, that doesn't mean we should intentionally cause it when it's avoidable and unnecessary

@Othmane hari theres a big difference between accidental death and murder. Also, 2 thirds of plants grown are fed to animals that we then kill. Plus veganism isn't claiming perfection, it sucks that we have to cause harm just to exist on this planet, that doesn't mean we should intentionally cause it when it's avoidable and unnecessary

Well do you know that the vegetable industry kills 55 animals per 100 KGs of food. Way more than the meat industry ? Why don't you stop eating vegetables and fruits ?

Well do you know that the vegetable industry kills 55 animals per 100 KGs of food. Way more than the meat industry ? Why don't you stop eating vegetables and fruits ?

@Zen Rhys the majority of the population is non-vegan, so of course the majority of high performance athletes are also non-vegan. The fact is though, there are plenty of examples of long time vegan athletes who have broken records and out-performed their non-vegan counterparts. As more people realise they don't want to hurt animals anymore, there will be an increase in vegan athletes that will also break records

@Cameron MacDonald all of those athletes were non vegan and ate meat during their prime. If you thought a bit more deeply, then you would even find that some athletes like lewis hamilton performed worse during their plant based years and in fact fell of their prime. Lewis hamilton peaked in 2016, however, after switching to a vegan diet in 2017 he didnt perform as well as 2016 and has never reached that level of performance since. All the athelets you mentioned got to where they are by eating a balanced diet including meat and other animal products. Not by being vegan. Its just convenient that they switched to a plant based diet after they were already known as the best so the vegan community could take credit for their performance, even though in most cases they performed WORSE during their plant based years lmao.

@Zen Rhys The information you think says you need meat are funded by the meat industry. Not a single unbiased, non Industry funded, peer reviewed study says you need meat to operate at peak efficiency. The best athletes in the world are vegan, Serena and Venus Williams, Novak Jokovic , Lewis Hamilton, Nate Diaz, Tom Brady and many more. The longest living populations on earth are vegan.

@Zen Rhys Firstly, plants don't have a brain or central nervous system. So they don't feel pain. That's not an opinion, that's scientific fact. <br>Secondly, cows eat 25lbs of grain for every 1lb of body weight.  So if you think harvesting crops kills a ton of animals, you're killing 25 more by eating beef, plus the cow. There's also the millions of fish that die because of waste and sewage runoff from feedlots. None of your arguments hold any weight. You're clearly confusing you opinion with facts.

@Zen Rhys Firstly, plants don't have a brain or central nervous system. So they don't feel pain. That's not an opinion, that's scientific fact.
Secondly, cows eat 25lbs of grain for every 1lb of body weight.  So if you think harvesting crops kills a ton of animals, you're killing 25 more by eating beef, plus the cow. There's also the millions of fish that die because of waste and sewage runoff from feedlots. None of your arguments hold any weight. You're clearly confusing you opinion with facts.

@Zen Rhys so now you're an elite athlete? 😂

@Zen Rhys so now you're an elite athlete? 😂

@N.I Chandler Can you show me how many vegan to non vegan olympic athletes there are? Youll find that they are predominantly non vegan, and youll also find that the non vegans are the BEST OF ALL TIME. Coincidence? I dont think so. Examples: eddie hall, usain bolt, halfthor, ben johnson, michael jordan, etc. I could go on. I guarantee if those vegan atheletes incorporated meat into their diet they would perform even better. Meat contains creatine, vitamin b12, carnosine, and Docosahexaenoic acid. All of which are not found in plants and are vital to optimizing performance and maximizing muscle efficency. This is why  the massive majority of top performing athletes eat meat as well as plants in an equitable fashion tailored to their body mechanics. This is fact, not opinion. Have a good day.

@Zen Rhys Scott Jurek is arguably one of the best ultra marathon runners ever, Morgan Mitchell is an amazing Australian Olympic star and David Verburg is an amazing American Olympic runner as well.
Shouldn't have to tell you about these people though.
All of them are plant based. Your claim is ridiculous. I'm not discussing this further, as it seems you won't listen. I suggest you read up about plant based/vegan athletes.
Have a good one!

@Anto Free I understand that's an extra complication. Many people also suffer from eating disorders which can make it challenging too. However, there are over 40,000 edible plants and almost infinite plant-based meal recipes, so don't let that stop you from trying your best and taking steps in the right direction, if you agree that animals lives are worth more than your taste pleasure. You don't have to commit to being a perfect vegan in one day - if you gradually make changes you might find it's not nearly has hard as you thought it would be. Personally, I went from pescetarian to vegetarian before finally becoming vegan. In hindsight, I wish I'd just gone vegan straight away, but better late than never. Anyway, I appreciate your honesty - at least you're not making some ridiculous arguments that you don't even believe like many people commenting

@anthonydude I'm. Horribly picky eater as it is would be a nightmare stopping for me but I respect what you guys stand for

@anthonydude I'm. Horribly picky eater as it is would be a nightmare stopping for me but I respect what you guys stand for

@N.I Chandler also i never said it wasnt healthy. I said it wasnt optimal.

@N.I Chandler also i never said it wasnt healthy. I said it wasnt optimal.

@N.I Chandler 😂 bruh im a D1 track and field athlete. Im about as high of a high performance athlete as you can get.

@N.I Chandler 😂 bruh im a D1 track and field athlete. Im about as high of a high performance athlete as you can get.

@Zen Rhys I see zero articles. I also gave you a list of athletes operating at a high level. How are they at the top of their respective professions and plant based?
Google, is a plant based diet healthy. Answer is very clear
You also aren't a high performance athlete though?  The hell do you need to operate at 100% efficiency?

Earthling Ed did a video "If the world went vegan, what would happen to all the animals?" Go watch it, answers your question

@anthonydude if you said "bro, its just your belief" then i have to respect that. Not like i can stop you from killing the puppies.

@anthonydude if you said "bro, its just your belief" then i have to respect that. Not like i can stop you from killing the puppies.

@N.I Chandler alright so whats your solution. We mass produce meat, so do we all of a sudden just stop? What happens to the animals after it stops? Just release them into the ecosystem? That would be devastating.

@N.I Chandler alright so whats your solution. We mass produce meat, so do we all of a sudden just stop? What happens to the animals after it stops? Just release them into the ecosystem? That would be devastating.

@D. LEE just because plants dont use the same processes we do doesnt mean they cannot have a similar experience lmao.

@D. LEE just because plants dont use the same processes we do doesnt mean they cannot have a similar experience lmao.

@N.I Chandler i already sent some articles stating why you cannot operate at 100% effieciency solely on a plant based diet.

@N.I Chandler i already sent some articles stating why you cannot operate at 100% effieciency solely on a plant based diet.

Mr. Zoomer just because they dont feel pain the same way animals do doesnt mean they cant feel or dont feel pain.

Mr. Zoomer just because they dont feel pain the same way animals do doesnt mean they cant feel or dont feel pain.

@The Legend Of Mist write short dot points, don't need a full essay.

Please justify physically/emotionally/sexually abusing, forcefully impregnating, enslaving, confining, mutilating, profiteering, separating and killing farmed animals.

And don't just say, it's a choice. That's not moral/ethical reasoning, it's your stance on the issue.

Also killing farmed animals doesn't change the ecosystem? Google the leading cause of deforestation, habitat destruction and species extinction.
You also mentioned the economy. Don't get why you mentioned that, can you clarify?

@The Legend Of Mist if you walked by my house and saw me shooting golden retriever puppies on my front lawn, would you tell me to stop? What if I said "but bro, it's just your belief that killing animals is wrong, and anyway it won't make any difference to the ecosystem or economy"? 🤔

@The Legend Of Mist if you walked by my house and saw me shooting golden retriever puppies on my front lawn, would you tell me to stop? What if I said "but bro, it's just your belief that killing animals is wrong, and anyway it won't make any difference to the ecosystem or economy"? 🤔

Bro u guys are so stupid I can type a whole essay why killing animals and eating meat is ok it’s just your moral beliefs why you think it’s wrong nothing more ,  killing farm raised animals will change nothing about the ecosystem, economy, or anything else the only reason why you think it’s wrong is because it’s morally wrong to kill something but that’s just your belief......

@Zen Rhys - So many fallacies in your paragraph. Meat production is exponentially more destructive on every level considering meat animals are fed harvested plants like soy and corn  for their feed. Plants don’t have central nervous systems or brains. But you may have slept through 7th grade biology I guess.

@Zen Rhys - So many fallacies in your paragraph. Meat production is exponentially more destructive on every level considering meat animals are fed harvested plants like soy and corn  for their feed. Plants don’t have central nervous systems or brains. But you may have slept through 7th grade biology I guess.

@Anto Free if you feel guilty thinking about what happens to animals in your name, that's a good thing - it means you're not a psychopath... Now what are you going to do about it? 🤷♂

@Anto Free if you feel guilty thinking about what happens to animals in your name, that's a good thing - it means you're not a psychopath... Now what are you going to do about it? 🤷♂

@Anto Free Guilt is what made me switch to vegan. I thought about it for a long time. Initially I went vegetarian, lasted about 6 months. Then went back to eating meat, but the guilt came back.<br>So about a year later I went vegetarian again. I surrounded myself with people of the same mind and after watching "Dairy is Scary" and reading up about the egg industry I went vegan. Earthling Ed, Joey Carbstrong, David Ramms, Hench Herbivore and Lifting Vegan Logic were all youtubers I watched to help with building up my stance/knowledge.

@Anto Free Guilt is what made me switch to vegan. I thought about it for a long time. Initially I went vegetarian, lasted about 6 months. Then went back to eating meat, but the guilt came back.
So about a year later I went vegetarian again. I surrounded myself with people of the same mind and after watching "Dairy is Scary" and reading up about the egg industry I went vegan. Earthling Ed, Joey Carbstrong, David Ramms, Hench Herbivore and Lifting Vegan Logic were all youtubers I watched to help with building up my stance/knowledge.

@N.I Chandler I do feel for the animals in all fairness so the guilt thing is fare

@N.I Chandler I do feel for the animals in all fairness so the guilt thing is fare

@Anto Free don't play the guilt card? Oh poor you, did you feel bad when you thought about the animals who are having their throats slit for your pleasure? Those mean horrible vegans! Why can't they just let people torture and kill animals in peace?

@Anto Free don't play the guilt card? Oh poor you, did you feel bad when you thought about the animals who are having their throats slit for your pleasure? Those mean horrible vegans! Why can't they just let people torture and kill animals in peace?

@Anto Free you eating meat hurts animals. The two aren't separate. If you eat meat animals are hurt/killed.
He isn't MAKING you feel guilty, you're doing that all on your own. Guilt is a subjective feeling. He's posing fact and you're reacting to it.

3 trillion animals are killed for human consumption per year. Being vegan doesn't mean animals stop dying. It means you stop contributing to the intentional slaughter of animals and those killed indirectly by animal agriculture.
What your saying is like a serial killer not stopping, because people are going to die anyway.

@Anto Free I care about not hurting women, but still like having sex with them, even if they don't want to. Me not raping women wouldn't all of a sudden stop all women from being raped either. See how your logic doesn't stack up?

@Anto Free I care about not hurting women, but still like having sex with them, even if they don't want to. Me not raping women wouldn't all of a sudden stop all women from being raped either. See how your logic doesn't stack up?

I care about hurting animals but still like meat don't play that guilt card on people. Me changing my diet wouldn't all of a sudden stop animals dying either.

I care about hurting animals but still like meat don't play that guilt card on people. Me changing my diet wouldn't all of a sudden stop animals dying either.

@Zen Rhys
Lions don't have moral agency. It's a wild animal, it kills when it needs to. Lions also rape and cannibalise each other. Wanna use lions as exemplars for morals and ethics? I hope not.

Google vegan athletes/body builders. You'll be surprised how many there are. Venus Williams, Lewis Hamilton, Nate Diaz and Kyrie Irving are just a few. These people are right up there in their chosen profession and they are vegan. So your logic of "need meat for performance" is a fallacy.

We feed animals plants, two thirds of crops grown are given to animals. If you care about plants, eat them yourself.
Or are you just using "plants are alive tho" as a cop out?

Check out Earthling Ed on here, he has great informative videos on all the topics you're bringing up.

@Jennifer are you purposely being ironic or did you completely misunderstand that article? It's saying not ALL plant-based products are environmentally friendly. Well yeah, no shit Sherlock. It also states that "Even the “greenest” sources of meat still produce more greenhouse gases than plant-based proteins."

I presume you're familiar with the Oxford University study of almost 40,000 farms in 119 countries, published in the journal Science, which found that "without meat and dairy consumption, global farmland use could be reduced by more than 75% – an area equivalent to the US, China, European Union and Australia combined – and still feed the world." The author of the study concluded that “A vegan diet is probably the single biggest way to reduce your impact on planet Earth, not just greenhouse gases, but global acidification, eutrophication, land use and water use.”

In any case, veganism isn't about the environment or health, it's about the rights of sentient animals not to be tortured and killed for an unnecessary reason. The fact that you can be healthy and reduce your environmental impact on a vegan diet are just more reasons why eating animals can't be justified.

@Jennifer “Nothing really compares to beef, lamb, pork, and dairy – these products are in a league of their own in the level of damage they typically do to the environment, on almost every environmental issue we track,” says Joseph Poore, a researcher at the University of Oxford who studies the environmental impacts of food. “But it’s essential to be mindful about everything we consume: air-transported fruit and veg can create more greenhouse gas emissions per kilogram than poultry meat, for example."

Did you even read the article?
Repeatedly it says animals product's cause massive environmental impact.

It also says IMPORTED fruit and veg CAN cause more greenhouse emissions. Wanna know how to fix that? Don't buy imported fruit and veg. Eat fruit and veg that is in season.

@anthonydude here’s an article stating the damaging effects of veganism to our environment 🙃 https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20200211-why-the-vegan-diet-is-not-always-green

@anthonydude here’s an article stating the damaging effects of veganism to our environment 🙃 https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20200211-why-the-vegan-diet-is-not-always-green

@Zen Rhys you can reach that 100% efficiency with a plant based or a vegetarian diet. But with all sorts of diets you have to be very aware of what you are eating and be very careful to reach those 100% because it’s almost impossible because we often don’t realise how much sugar for example is in certain products. Just do some research and you will find out that you can easily reach those 100% you were talking about with no meat.

@Zen Rhys your definition of 'protesting' is a bit unusual. As I'm sure you know, lions are obligate carnivores so they have to eat animals to survive, whereas humans are omnivores and can thrive without eating animals. Lions also lack the capacity for moral reasoning so are therefore not moral agents. Animals rape each other too - would you use that fact to justify raping someone? Finally, lions don't understand English so there wouldn't be much point 'protesting' their behaviour. But hypothetically, if there was a sub-species of omnivorous lions with the capacity for moral reasoning who understood English, I would definitely encourage them not to kill antelopes.

@Zen Rhys so if you found out that you could be fit and healthy without having to eat animals, you'd stop?  Perhaps you're not being honest with yourself either, but you're certainly not being honest with me

@Zen Rhys so if you found out that you could be fit and healthy without having to eat animals, you'd stop?  Perhaps you're not being honest with yourself either, but you're certainly not being honest with me

@anthonydude Another thing. You shouldnt be protesting me eating meat. You should be going after those damn lions. They eat more meat in a week than I do in a month!! Damn cats should be vegan 😡. Cant believe they could kill a water buffalo with no remorse 😭

@anthonydude Another thing. You shouldnt be protesting me eating meat. You should be going after those damn lions. They eat more meat in a week than I do in a month!! Damn cats should be vegan 😡. Cant believe they could kill a water buffalo with no remorse 😭

@anthonydude nah heres the honest truth. As a human, i was designed to eat both plants, animals, and most things in between. And i like to run on 100% efficiency, and eating meat allows me to do so.

@anthonydude nah heres the honest truth. As a human, i was designed to eat both plants, animals, and most things in between. And i like to run on 100% efficiency, and eating meat allows me to do so.

@anthonydude also that scenerio only works if im also kicking a cabbage 😂

@anthonydude also that scenerio only works if im also kicking a cabbage 😂

@Zen Rhys oh so there are no studies? That's a post from a 'carnivore' blog with zero references. The logic that eating a cow kills fewer animals than eating plants ignores the fact that cows are fed plants. HUGE quantities of plants, in fact. Curious though - if it turned out that eating only plants killed far fewer animals than eating plants and animals, would you stop eating animals? It doesn't seem like you would... In which case, it would be far more intellectually honest of you if you just said "I don't really care about hurting animals, I just like the taste of meat too much"

@anthonydude also it should be noted that i said "veganism kills more than it saves". Not that eating plants kills more animals than eating plants and animals.

@anthonydude also it should be noted that i said "veganism kills more than it saves". Not that eating plants kills more animals than eating plants and animals.

@Zen Rhys if you saw me kicking a puppy to death and told me to stop, and I replied "well it's a bit of a stretch, but how do you know plants don't feel pain?" would you accept that logic or would you tell me to stfu and stop hurting the puppy?

@Zen Rhys if you saw me kicking a puppy to death and told me to stop, and I replied "well it's a bit of a stretch, but how do you know plants don't feel pain?" would you accept that logic or would you tell me to stfu and stop hurting the puppy?

@anthonydude they arent direct studies but youll find them in the articles.

@anthonydude they arent direct studies but youll find them in the articles.

@anthonydude idk man that's your dilemma not mine.

@anthonydude idk man that's your dilemma not mine.

@Zen Rhys are you implying that it should be illegal to stomp on a lettuce, or that it should be legal to stomp on a puppy?

@Zen Rhys are you implying that it should be illegal to stomp on a lettuce, or that it should be legal to stomp on a puppy?

@Zen Rhys can you please share links to the studies that show that eating only plants kills more animals than eating plants and animals?

@Zen Rhys can you please share links to the studies that show that eating only plants kills more animals than eating plants and animals?

Yo question...do you know how many other things you kill by being vegan? Do you know that you kill more than you save statistically? Did you know that if we didnt hunt deer populations the ecosystem would suffer killing magnitudes more? Also this one is a bit of a stretch, but who are you to say that plants dont have feelings? What if they do and we just dont have the means to observe the expression of it? Would you stop eating plants then? Would you become a breathitarian?


I would’ve said yes to the slightly different DNA one. It’s nature you’re trying to preserve then you should know about natural order and food chains. Not to mention farms and producing of beans nuts and other things that make reliable alternatives for protein take up more space than an animal farm with multiple uses.


my man goes to the ppl who hate on him-  and COLLABS with them


Bruh, never knew jidion was so good at debating. He got his point out so well and rebuttled every excuse that man made


Me watching this  eating my cheeseburger 🤣


This guy risks everything to put out the best content 💪🏾


The reality with Veganism today with people is that a lot of people don't want to be associated with the extreme side of it. Vegans who make a fool of themselves in public and harrases others, even going far as to get violent. Not to say all Vegans are like this, this sort of shit is actually common in a lot of communities. But at the end of the day, the negative side is going to be focused on more than the positive, if u wanna go Vegan go Vegan bro, just don't force your opinions or ideology down people's throats or harass them, stay safe yall ❤


You can’t have a debate with jidion bro contradicts himself every minute


man was wearing an anti meatflake social club shirt 💀💀💀


Vegan Guy: “It’s because we care for animals and don’t think they should be slaughtered.”  Animal Kingdom: Nature’s Slaughterhouse

Vegan Guy: “It’s because we care for animals and don’t think they should be slaughtered.”  Animal Kingdom: Nature’s Slaughterhouse

@JD3TheGreat TM have to eat something to survive. As an ominvore<br>U can choose plant or an animal. A plant that has no Brian no family, no emotion and can’t feel pain or choose and animal who can feel all of those things but also responsible for all the plants they eat which is more than u could ever eat.

@JD3TheGreat TM have to eat something to survive. As an ominvore
U can choose plant or an animal. A plant that has no Brian no family, no emotion and can’t feel pain or choose and animal who can feel all of those things but also responsible for all the plants they eat which is more than u could ever eat.

@Jeremiah Boomin u r the consumer. Consumer demands dictates that you economically demand animals be enslaved, exploited, raped, tortured and killed for you for an unnecessary reason as u could eat plants instead. Killing animals unnecessarily is abuse

Luca Berti You mean like meat eaters pretend to support animal rights, then pay other people to torture them? That opinion?

Luca Berti You mean like meat eaters pretend to support animal rights, then pay other people to torture them? That opinion?

Luca Berti but they don't have to. It's not a necessity. It is no longer needed in 99% of 1st world countries. It is not needed because we can be healthy on plants alone. Stop being cruel to animals for no good reasons at all

@Cameron MacDonald one more thing, which will probably be my last reply to this stupid ass conversation, there are plenty of other people like me, I don’t know how you’re so delusional where you think that it is genuinely impossible to eat and trace meats back to real farms. Even people like maya higa (who is a fairly popular twitch streamer who you may or may not know with an official org and animal sanctuary)has said that she will most likely never go vegan but she buys from a butcher who buys wholesale from completely grass fed operations. There is very easy ways of buying grass fed meats, I just don’t think you want to know that there are people who care about animals and still eat meat.

@Cameron MacDonald I don’t know why you want to believe so bad that all farmers are bad, some people genuinely care about their animals, not everybody is going to be a vegan man.

@Cameron MacDonald I don’t know why you want to believe so bad that all farmers are bad, some people genuinely care about their animals, not everybody is going to be a vegan man.

@Cameron MacDonald I understand that, but i live in a very tight community that is mostly farmers and have a very close friend of mine who gives me my meats. you don’t have to go to big stores for meat, and all my chicken is either from mine or my friends who is not involved in factory farming at all and actually hates it aswell (like most farmers) because of the unemployment rate of many people like him. In no way is it impossible to not eat factory farmed meat, especially when you have connections. Also if you dont think a vegan website is biased for something about farming I don’t know what to tell you

@Jackson Shropshire I didn't get that from plant based news. But even if I did they would cite their sources unlike most websites. They aren't biased, they are fact based. There's a difference. I also live in Western Canada, central Alberta. All those fields you see growing hay with bales sitting around everywhere are going to feed factory farmed animals. And even the cows that are grazing on the land go to feedlots at the end of their life before slaughter. That statistic is for north America. Likely better in other countries but here in North America it's all factory farmed.

@Cameron MacDonald also where the fuck did you get that statistic? There’s literally not a single website that says that other than “plantbasednews” which is a clearly biased website 💀

@Cameron MacDonald also where the fuck did you get that statistic? There’s literally not a single website that says that other than “plantbasednews” which is a clearly biased website 💀

@Cameron MacDonald not true, you can easily get non factory farmed meat when you live in an area like western Canada, also tastes way better which is another reason I prefer getting it. I even have some chickens myself. Obviously I don’t always eat non factory farmed meat, I love Popeyes every once and a while, but it’s definitely not impossible and I could strictly do that if I wanted.

@Jackson Shropshire Yes you do. 99.2% of meat is factory farmed. There's no way you don't eat factory farmed meat. All of it is factory farmed these days

@Jackson Shropshire Yes you do. 99.2% of meat is factory farmed. There's no way you don't eat factory farmed meat. All of it is factory farmed these days

@Ethan OpT But when you don't actually need to eat meat because a plant based diet is healthier, cheaper and better for the environment you are literally raping, torturing and slaughtering them just for fun

@Ethan OpT But when you don't actually need to eat meat because a plant based diet is healthier, cheaper and better for the environment you are literally raping, torturing and slaughtering them just for fun

@ib leminen You would say the same for dogs? Cats? Humans?

Everything has to die, why not cause it suffering along the way and end it's life extremelty short.

Why do you think you are so powerful and important that you can exploit other living things? Snap out of it. What we do to animals is horrible.

If you had a choice, would you be born as a livestock animal? Like a chicken that could get blended alive in first seconds of life or forced to stay in crowded factory with no sunlight. Or be a cow that is repeated raped to bear children and produce milk. Once the cow can no longer produce babies or milk then gets head chopped off.

@Sarbjot Singh as all living their life would come to an end at some point, so why not get something out of having them around?

@Sarbjot Singh as all living their life would come to an end at some point, so why not get something out of having them around?

@pwnbck there are some essential proteins we cannot live without that are found in meat.

@pwnbck there are some essential proteins we cannot live without that are found in meat.

@JustRoberto I understand you, i just don’t think you’ll understand me. Have a great day though man, ❤🙏🏽🙏🏽

@JustRoberto I understand you, i just don’t think you’ll understand me. Have a great day though man, ❤🙏🏽🙏🏽

@Jeremiah Boomin and I’m saying it isn’t comparable for the reasons I mentioned. You don’t need to eat animals to be healthy. Plants aren’t sentient conscious beings who can suffer like we do. So for that reason we should avoid harming them.

@JustRoberto I’m saying, you’re vegan and I’m not. You’re saying it’s wrong for me to eat an animal. So I’m asking you is it right to eat another living thing such as a plant?

@JustRoberto I’m saying, you’re vegan and I’m not. You’re saying it’s wrong for me to eat an animal. So I’m asking you is it right to eat another living thing such as a plant?

@Jeremiah Boomin,
Not your fault?
“No snowflake ever feels responsible in an avalanche.” — SJ Lec

Whenever you buy meat, milk eggs, you are perpetuating the demand, which furthers the business of raising animals and then slaughtering them for you to eat. You can turn your head the other way, but the process continues. It continues at the detriment and ill fortune for the animals.

If I protested at a slaughterhouse, I'd be arrested, granted. Abolishionists and civil rights activists were arrested when they broke laws when protesting.

Sexual abuse and animal abuse have the common denominator of abuse. Notably, artificial insemination itself is sexual abuse. See this video:
https://youtu.be/S91iFLVZq0A
and this short film about a parallel universe where rape is legal and common:
https://youtu.be/poxl0K9UrP0

@Jeremiah Boomin bacteria is living, also, being alive isn’t what I would assign value to. Being sentient and able to feel pain is. Imagine I cut a dogs throat in front of you and said “well don’t you know carrots are alive to” what would you think of me?

@JustRoberto Okay you said “Just because it’s morally okay, doesn’t make it so” I never said my point was the “way to go” and I never said he needed to follow my points. Like I said we were both giving ideas, to get a understanding of each other. Another thing, you do know plants are living as well right? So since plants are living does that make it wrong for us to consume them. Just asking, not trying to argue

@raz mataz Rape isn’t cool AT ALLLLL. Like I said it’s a sensitive topic for me because my girlfriend was a victim of it. And, we’re talking about slaughterhouses and eating meat, has nothing to do with rape. Stop downing ones logic to bring power to yours. Stop being prideful and if I’m wrong just teach me. I never said your beliefs are wrong now did I? You said one point and just think you won the discussion.😂

@Jeremiah Boomin you’ve jumped to a lot of conclusions here, I’m talking specifically about the phrase “everyone has the right to believe what they want to believe” sure believe what you want, but your beliefs aren’t a justification to harm others. In this context the belief that it’s okay to harm certain animals for food, clothing and or products etc. Just because someone believes it’s morally okay doesn’t make it so.

@Veganix listen, I have the right to eat what I wanna eat, just as an animal does. I didn’t abuse any animal fam. I just shop at Walmart

@Veganix listen, I have the right to eat what I wanna eat, just as an animal does. I didn’t abuse any animal fam. I just shop at Walmart

@Krwiomocz.Bogurodzicy Ⓥ let me ask you this.... what would happen if you went to go protest in front of slaughterhouses, would they stop?? It’s not my fault.

@Krwiomocz.Bogurodzicy Ⓥ let me ask you this.... what would happen if you went to go protest in front of slaughterhouses, would they stop?? It’s not my fault.

@JustRoberto When did I harm anyone of my “belief “???? Please let me know. What if his beliefs harmed me???? Oh maybe it’s because I’m not agreeing with you, you attack me and think I’m harming you. No, me and the person had a great discussion about it and I got where he was coming from. I’m not harming anyone

@Akhtar10x as a meat eater myself I agree with everything you said

@Akhtar10x as a meat eater myself I agree with everything you said

@D. LEE I already had a civilized discussion with someone else and don’t have time to talk to someone like you again. Like I said you have your beliefs in what is right and I have mine. We are all different. I want you to go protest over and over again in front of the slaughterhouses and tell me what result you get. I know it’s not right but I’m not the one doing it

@Veganix there is also no necessity to eat pants either. Either way you are killing a living organism. Humans are natural omnivores if your argument is we should go to a strictly plant diet that is nonsense. There is too high of a population for that. There would not be enough place to grow the requisite plants to sustain all of the population. If you want to talk about the conditions the animals live through being poor I'm sure you will have no disagreements from most people.

@Jackson Shropshire it’s actually better for the animal though. Ask any farmer and they’ll tell you that

@Jackson Shropshire it’s actually better for the animal though. Ask any farmer and they’ll tell you that

@Akhtar10x it’s actually better to end its suffering through making it food rather than keeping it in unhealthy and packed environments that are very hard for them.

@Akhtar10x it’s actually better to end its suffering through making it food rather than keeping it in unhealthy and packed environments that are very hard for them.

@Sarbjot Singh there’s a difference between animals and humans knowing what is just wrong (like rape) and them needing food to survive..

@Sarbjot Singh there’s a difference between animals and humans knowing what is just wrong (like rape) and them needing food to survive..

@Jeremiah Boomin -  we determine right from wrong by looking at wild animals? Brilliant moral philosophy 😂

@Jeremiah Boomin -  we determine right from wrong by looking at wild animals? Brilliant moral philosophy 😂

@Jeremiah Boomin,<br>Infanticide is ok, cause would you tell a lion to stop infanticide of her cubs?

@Jeremiah Boomin,
Infanticide is ok, cause would you tell a lion to stop infanticide of her cubs?

@Jeremiah Boomin animals rape eachother bro, get some consistency in your logic

@Jeremiah Boomin animals rape eachother bro, get some consistency in your logic

@Jeremiah Boomin your beliefs harm others, toxic positivity bullshit. Racists believe it’s okay to oppress people…. That belief doesn’t deserve respect and nor does the belief to needlessly torture and harm non humans deserve respect.

You're not appealing to nature, are you?

You're not appealing to nature, are you?

So you would be okay with people killing dogs because “nature”?

So you would be okay with people killing dogs because “nature”?

@Jeremiah Boomin animals rape each other every single day, does that mean it's morally justifiable for humans to rape as well?

@Jeremiah Boomin animals rape each other every single day, does that mean it's morally justifiable for humans to rape as well?

@Sarbjot Singh It’s late here in Florida, I’m gonna gts, goodnight man and God bless you🙌🏽🙌🏽

@Sarbjot Singh It’s late here in Florida, I’m gonna gts, goodnight man and God bless you🙌🏽🙌🏽

@Sarbjot Singh no hate to you all love, but we’ll never see eye to eye on this topic, because like Jidion said, you believe in what you believe and I have my beliefs. Hopefully one day it’ll get to level of understanding.🙏🏽

@Sarbjot Singh 1. I’m against rape. My now girlfriend was raped by her ex... again another topic that’s going away from the point which is eating meat

2. I’m against killing of any of any animals. I’m an animal lover. True nature boy. But I have no power in stopping them from slaughtering. Let’s be realistic. Me holding a sign and protesting isn’t gonna work. Let’s be 100% honest.

@Jeremiah Boomin I'm just using examples to prove logic. Not equate the entire scenario you know? I respect what your ancestors had to go through man. It's so horrible.

Injustice somewhere is injustice everwhere. If I lived in that time I hope that  I would have the courage to stand up to those profiting off of those that are innocent and deserve a free life.

Kinda like animals today. I'm not saying it's the same things. I'm saying if you are against the reasons why slavery was justified, some of those reasons are being used to today for meat industry.

Injustice happens usuually with a profit motive and because people are willing to overlook injustice becuase of other selfish resasons.

@Sarbjot Singh with the government supporting unhealthy lifestyles, it’ll never end man

@Sarbjot Singh with the government supporting unhealthy lifestyles, it’ll never end man

@Sarbjot Singh I understand where you’re coming from but it’ll never end. Let’s just be honest

@Sarbjot Singh I understand where you’re coming from but it’ll never end. Let’s just be honest

@Sarbjot Singh I have a choice to not eat a vegan burger also... respectfully!

@Sarbjot Singh I have a choice to not eat a vegan burger also... respectfully!

But not a lion. U have no necessity to eat animals. Killing animals unnecessarily is immoral. It’s animal abuse

But not a lion. U have no necessity to eat animals. Killing animals unnecessarily is immoral. It’s animal abuse

@Jeremiah Boomin So you base you morality on what a animal does? Animals rape too, so you think that's okay.

I hope that your morality is based on what you believe is right and wrong. I would assume you are against animal cruelty. I would assume that you would that killing an animal for no good reason at all is wrong

@Jeremiah Boomin A lion doesnt have a choice to eat a vegan burger, you do.

Yet you still choose to support an industry that cause enourmous ammounts of suffering and unccessay deaths to innocent animals.

respectfully though

@Sarbjot Singh then you touch on a sensitive topic such as slavery (which is what my ancestors went through) I know how slavery went down. Ofc it’s all wrong, but that had nothing to do with what I commented above man

@Sarbjot Singh and it’s beyond me that you would even bring up that topic when we’re talking about wild animals here, who go out and hunt everyday for theirs

@Sarbjot Singh and it’s beyond me that you would even bring up that topic when we’re talking about wild animals here, who go out and hunt everyday for theirs

@Sarbjot Singh What’s your point. Dog fights isn’t even close to what I’m talking about. That’s setup by humans to make money. I’m talking about lions, tigers, and bears, etc. who hunt and kill to get meat for their families. I want you to go in the wild and tell a LION TO STOP EATING MEAT. You may be on the plate next. DOG FIGHTS WAS A PRETTY BAD EXAMPLE LOL. respectfully tho

@Jeremiah Boomin So you are telling me that lets say you go to an dog fighting ring. You wouldn't mind buying a ticket to watch the fight because it wouldn't stop anyways.

Maybeee, a few less dollars going to the bottom line of these industries will make them stop at least the expansion of these factories.

I hope that when slavery existed there wasnt people with the same mindset. That  if I don't own a slave, it's not like slavery is going to go away. Don't own a slave because it wrong to do so, not because it won't solve slavery, but because it's just simply wrong.

@SaySikeDJ Do you actually base your morality on what animals do? If animals rape other animals then you think you can do that too?

Think for yourself. Most animals we kill are innocent. We have been given intellegence and sense of morality and the choice to be vegan unlike animals.

Make the right choice and stop killing animals for no good reason at all.

@Jeremiah Boomin I was going to comment this too!!!, like tf is this guy gonna tell the lions to become vegans 💀

@Jeremiah Boomin I was going to comment this too!!!, like tf is this guy gonna tell the lions to become vegans 💀

@Sarbjot Singh and whose to say animals are innocent like they don’t kill other animals or do shitty things such as killing their Children

@Sarbjot Singh and whose to say animals are innocent like they don’t kill other animals or do shitty things such as killing their Children

@pwnbck like what? Eating fruits?? Guess what they are alive too

@pwnbck like what? Eating fruits?? Guess what they are alive too

@pwnbck and when the soil is all sucked up of its nutrients and grant grow anything what are you going to do then? Mass produce the plants in some other larger place and take that environment from more animals

@pwnbck plus not to account for all the water and land you would require to farm such enough produce that you can feed everyone. That would take away from the whole nature idea of animals and their land to live on. It would not be good. I think a lot of people forget about these issues.

@pwnbck if only half the worlds population turned to being plant based only at the same time there wouldn’t be enough plant based proteins and foods for everyone to eat

@pwnbck if only half the worlds population turned to being plant based only at the same time there wouldn’t be enough plant based proteins and foods for everyone to eat

@Akhtar10x how about we stop killing other humans then worry about animals and I hunt and in no way is it like the old days you just sit and wait in a blind then shoot it honestly sometimes kills them slower than the factorys do

@Sarbjot Singh I mean what am I supposed to do, it isn’t gonna stop....

@Sarbjot Singh I mean what am I supposed to do, it isn’t gonna stop....

Luca Berti It's also wrong to take the life of an innocent animal that didn't need to die.

Luca Berti It's also wrong to take the life of an innocent animal that didn't need to die.

@Jeremiah Boomin They also rape each other. But I thought we live in a civilized society where we do not base our morality on what animals do.

@Jeremiah Boomin They also rape each other. But I thought we live in a civilized society where we do not base our morality on what animals do.

I’m not vegan (as a cook I actually love meat) but there is definitely a difference between nature and us factory farming animals, that’s why I personally don’t buy factory farmed meats, shits fucked up fr.

I’m not vegan (as a cook I actually love meat) but there is definitely a difference between nature and us factory farming animals, that’s why I personally don’t buy factory farmed meats, shits fucked up fr.

@Richforever Leaks 3 There is a surplus of non-meat products. Animals who do not eat meat aren’t going to die because we eat all of their food. And as someone who needs a large amount of protein daily, there are tons of other options for protein than just meat. Think about all the vegan bodybuilders who need tons of protein to gain muscle and are still huge. Humans can easily survive without meat. No hate tho, eating meat is what people were raised on so it’s hard to change peoples perception, but maybe we can all understand eachothers sides a bit more

@pwnbck humans won’t have the proper options to survive. Meat is a huge source of our protein. And if we eating all the things that the non meat eating animals eat, it’ll be no different than us killing them

@pwnbck humans won’t have the proper options to survive. Meat is a huge source of our protein. And if we eating all the things that the non meat eating animals eat, it’ll be no different than us killing them

It’s not like we’re just killing animals for fun to be disrespectful, we are actually getting an intended use, for food!

It’s not like we’re just killing animals for fun to be disrespectful, we are actually getting an intended use, for food!

@Akhtar10x not to mention that animals need to kill other animals to survive, humans at this point have several other options

@Akhtar10x not to mention that animals need to kill other animals to survive, humans at this point have several other options

@Akhtar10x someone actually smart here lmao

@Akhtar10x someone actually smart here lmao

As a meat eater myself, I disagree with the idea of mass produced meat with current meat farms. Animals are kept in extremely claustrophobic and unsanitary/disgusting environments and they contribute to a lot of air pollution, energy waste, etc. Hunting an animal is very different than mass producing because hunting is closer to your idea of "natures slaughterhouse." Some would argue that at the top of the food chain, we've earned the right to mass produce and treat animals like shit, but as intelligent creatures we also possess the ability to empathize. The mammals being slaughtered for our enjoyment experience horrible lives from birth till death (industrial meat farms), and that bothers me.

True, but I don’t think that was his point lol

True, but I don’t think that was his point lol

EXACTLY!!! Animals kill each other every single day!!!!!!

EXACTLY!!! Animals kill each other every single day!!!!!!


When the vegan said, him and jidion spoke over the phone and jidion said to him he was thinking of becoming a vegan I was deadddd 💀💀💀 I knew his was fucking him 😂😂😂


Man i hate when people talk about “objective truth” when it comes to a moral decision. What was moral 200 years ago may be immoral today, what was immoral 500 years ago could be moral today. There’s no objective morality if morality changes not only across time, but across different cultures too.


This man needs to understand nature . Why dosnt he go protest to the other carnivores or omnivores to eat veggies


as a vegan hater, i approve this message.


I have so much respect for jidion bro man can handle situations like so well with still being funny af


Jidion i found your vids like a month ago and you are top 3 and not 3. Keep doing ya thing man god is good


My boy shouting out the Quran. Respect 📈📈📈📈📈


Thinking about becoming a canible after this


I cant be the only one who saw this video while eating a steak right?


i’m very happy to hear that you are a christian. God bless you bro🙏🙏


This guy does realize humans have been eating animals since day 1 right? Like imagine this guy going back in time and loosing his sh** on a group of hunter gathers 😂.


If Lizzo just one video then she’ll love this guy lmao


When he say he was agnostic, It's done. it's like talking to a wall when you have religion an the other guy don't have.


The thing that annoyed me most with that guy is how he kept bringing up how they got shot in the slaughter houses, no they don’t. It’s not like they are being hunted out in the middle of nowhere


Love JiDion's videos but this vegan guy's argument made sense and JiDion didnt make very much sense haha


I saw this on David's channel first, it'll be interesting to see it again from yours🌿 I found the prank really well done and I'm glad that you were able to get some good reactions from it without using real meat.


the random grandma hug at the start of the video im cryinggggg


Bro the thumbnail got me dead💀 “Ted bundy” “vegan guy”


I had an actual debate with a vegan and he said that humans aren’t humans arguement, I said that made no sense


bro went in trolled him then whooped him in an argument


that was the most respectful way ive ever see someone humiliate someone else, props to jidion