@chrstn Why do people say that 😂<br>That's like asking the meaning of life, why do we exist? Who tf liked that comment?

@chrstn Why do people say that 😂
That's like asking the meaning of life, why do we exist? Who tf liked that comment?

no they werent lol. veganism makes complete sense and that other dude proved it, jidion jus said we have different beliefs the whole time lmao

@Heekamalo Kilo Survival of the fittest. If we weren't to eat meat or kill animals it would be against our nature

Divyam Singhal i just said how I dont consider killing an animal to be abuse. Death penalty isn't considered abuse.

Divyam Singhal i mean i dont really care, im eating meat for the rest of my life lol

@Heekamalo Kilo Also, we aren't gods. We don't have a perfect grasp of science relating to diet yet. Hell we know more about space than the complex physiolgy of our wn bodies. With that being said, I believe that we are omnivores and not herbavores for a reason. Meat has studied effects on certain diseases that can improve or negate the effects of certain conditions. Im not saying everyone needs to eat meat, Im saying that implying that we should treat animals like humans is a slippery slope.

@Heekamalo Kilo No, because we are talking about death of animals not humans. Not to be unempathetic but, I don't feel bad when an animal dies, I feel bad when an animal is tortured. True abuse of animals is torturing them not killing them because animals die in the wild. I think of the death of an animal (as long as they were cared for and treated properly) as the same in the wild and for eating. Despite this I have conflicting thoughts about the idea of raising farm animals to be killed.

He didn’t argue he just said they had different views. That’s so dumb. The literal point of arguing is to change those views and argue about them they left with the same exact views and got nowhere because of jidion.

@Heekamalo Kilo animals legit eat other animals. we gonna turn lions into vegans now. shit ill go feed a cow a burger right now and it won't complain.

@Heekamalo Kilo bro go lecture a Lion on why it shouldn't eat meat and let me know how it goes lol

They were awful points bruh, U d riding  crazy

They were awful points bruh, U d riding  crazy

@Heekamalo Kilo if I want to eat what you gon do about it ima eat the the meat you know what ima eat double the meat just so 1 person that’s vegan ain’t doin shit

@JustCallMeD so life isn’t meaningless and we feel purpose above everything else

@Punu It's just simple unfiltered logic. Looking at things the way they really are. People seem to forget that we are animals as well. We just have evolved in our intelligence enough to believe that we are somehow different from the rest. The only difference is in our IQ. We still operate in animalistic ways that have been evolved to be more industrial or come with ease. Even with us being so smart still we are so dumb that we cant see the truth.

We are not special. We are not exempt from the laws of natural and reality. When did we start to see ourselves as above these systems? We can never be. We can pretend to be. But we can never attain such a status. All of these subgroups and cultures all separated and ignoring the truth. Why must we be so blind?

@JustCallMeD that is the greatest point ive seen in a vegan argument so far

@Heekamalo Kilo Cool, I’m craving chicken.

@Heekamalo Kilo Cool, I’m craving chicken.

@Heekamalo Kilo the animal you protect will still eventually kill each other.

@Heekamalo Kilo eating animals is necessary for certain nutrients we NEED in our bodies also do you think people back then during the nomadic times would’ve survived off of eating plant?? Also plants are a living thing too so by a vegetarians logic every animal or human in the world is doing something evil that leads to a victim

@Heekamalo Kilo fuck those animals they taste good my boy LMFAOOO

@JustCallMeD that’s what I was thinking they are trying to show objective facts about what happens to animals but don’t see that most of us don’t find the killing of animals for food immoral

@Heekamalo Kilo You still kill a plant when you eat it so it is a "victim" by your own logic. So clearly you care more about one living thing more than another.

@Heekamalo Kilo difference is one is an animal and the other is a human being stop this

@Heekamalo Kilo I don’t really cares for some animals to me they are worth the food especially because I used to have a medical diet in had to be on for 5 years and I really had to eat meat for nutrients and I love meats.

@Heekamalo Kilo It's just nature man. Animals hunt and eat their prey alive. The conditions that we keep ours in could be better and the killing could be done in a quicker way but at the end of the day there will always be predator and prey. Humans are invasive extremely intelligent predators that is the natural way we have evolved to be it would seem. It wont change any time soon maybe in the future either way no point in trying to get everyone to come to your side by shaming them. That makes people act out in spite. That is human logic. Like Jidion said we just have different views. We can try to sell each other on those views all day but at the end of the day if someone doesn't come to certain conclusions on their own it wont stick with them.
By the logic I see here all pain and suffering should be stopped. Which would be noble and great. But as I said it is nature. Just as a lion eats a gizelle we eat cows. The only difference is that we do it in bulk and have our "hunting system" automated. Humans can't even be good and not kill each other of course they would kill their prey in such an unnatural system as a slaughterhouse.

Even with me saying all of this I know you probably won't see the point.

@Heekamalo Kilo Yes. We do not value animals the way we value humans. Get over it.

@wallace's cumrag haha if that guy is serious, i’ve lost faith in humanity..

@chrstn bruh that is by far the dumbest comment in this thread. And that's saying something.

@Heekamalo Kilo why would there be animals if we arent supposed to eat them?

@Heekamalo Kilo You need meat in your body...

@Heekamalo Kilo You need meat in your body...

@Heekamalo Kilo i feel really bad for poor mr.cow but damn does he taste amazing

@Heekamalo Kilo is eating animals necessary? Absolutely. If you ever took a nutrition course you’d know that almost any diet that restricts the body from certain nutrients (animal proteins included) is unhealhty

@Heekamalo Kilo cave man were munching on cow butt were meant to eat meat and y’all can’t stop anybody from doing it

@Heekamalo Kilo eating plants also kills them wdym

@Heekamalo Kilo eating plants also kills them wdym

@• Eating animals involves killing them first, so that action has a victim. There's a lot of abuse in animal agriculture. Is eating animals necessary? No. So the "we have different beliefs" argument here justifies any actions involving unnecessary victims.

@Heekamalo Kilo luckily eating food Isnt abuse! Lmao, weirdo

@El Chuzalongo Are you saying yes to my final question?

@El Chuzalongo Are you saying yes to my final question?

Were they? He basically said "let's just accept that we have different beliefs". Is this thinking okay when someone's "belief" leads to a victim? Should we not stand up to injustices just because the abusers "have different beliefs"?


Bro, this debate was lit, I had no idea that jdion can be this mature and intelligent lol.


Bro the way you present your content is hilarious I crack up in every video


You could tell deep down he was so pissed 😂


LETS GO JIDION CHRISTIANS FOR LIFE! God bless bro you a champ


Bro how is the vegan guy so patient with you respect to me lmao


He’s a good sport and I wish republicans and democrats could peacefully discuss like this.

I know right, if people just respected each other’s opinions no matter how different they are, then I think the world could have been different

@Jonah I support everyone except hateful ppl as long as you don’t hate u should support everyone

Same. I’m republican. I may not support or agree with Democrats but I respect everyone.

@SabreTooth77 Steven crowder 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 nice joke man

@INSANE the internet is real life all sides are clowned on that's facts

@Jones BBQ foot massage did you not read what I said bud? I clearly said that and we aren't talking about then internet, we are talking about real life lmao

@INSANE u do know the internet is a thing right? ppl will clown on both sides it’s not just republicans

@Jones BBQ foot massage yea, but it really all depends on location. For example, you live in California, your gonna get clowned on for being a republican. However, if you live in a republican state then its vice versa.

@SabreTooth77 it goes both ways not just republicans

@ChaseR _ I mean that most of the time when a Democrat hears opposing views they want to end the conversation and Republicans are called racist and so on for their different views

@SabreTooth77 Can you elaborate more because every person is different which means every republican is different which also means that you can have civil convos with some proving your statement wrong

@SabreTooth77 I don't see how every republican would be insulted by there beliefs.

It’s quite difficult because when ever republicans try to have conversations, they are almost immediately insulted for their beliefs. That’s why I like shows like change my mind by Steven crowder because he wants to have a sit down conversation with opposing views


I’m not Vegan but the vegan dude was chill af


The guy does not have much arguments a part from slitting their throat and bullet through their head.<br>But at the end he is a good sport and admits being pranked by my man.

The guy does not have much arguments a part from slitting their throat and bullet through their head.
But at the end he is a good sport and admits being pranked by my man.


You made laugh a vegan ! It's huge ! When they become agressive in their talk i asked them who were the most enthusiast about being vegetarian in the West world and i tell them : " Adolf Hitler and Charles Manson " ( it always makes me laugh ...) - BTW , it's true !


The way he just cuts to hugging that grandma made me emotional bro.


I give that guy full respect for being real with JiDion and overall being a good sport good vid


y’all both had good points, great video though


I love you JiDion but he was walking all over you when your only real argument was "I'm Christian, they used to slaughter lambs, you're not allowed to step on my religious rights" I mean come on man nobody these days is eating meat because of ancient lb slaughter 😂 love you though, bout to go make a burger right now

Actually, quite a lot of religions still sacrifice animals. TBH in my opinion: God gave us dominion over the animals, and we should use them for food and other animal products BUT, we need to be fair "rulers" and treat them with some respect in the process.


Honestly bro good debate and u made some good points. At the end of the day our beliefs are subjective


I don't think David has ever heard of Temple Grandin because without her the animals would actually be mistreated. but thanks to her, up until the moment they die the animals are treated better than most humans. And their throats are not slit until they are dead and you don't get ptsd and that shit from being a butcher


I think this was a good debate. It was 2 people actually have a decent debate. Rebuttling each other and pointing out faults, while still being respectful.

bro you guys are more concerned with the fact that “it was a good debate” than the actual outcome. it’s not a good debate if no one has anything to say/argue about it.


huge respect for the actual debate that was had. it shows that not every prankster is a child like most older people think. mad respect JiDion

WARNING ⚠ JESUS COMMANDS YOU TO REPENT OR PERISH!!!! YOUR SOUL IS ON THE LINE!!!!

XxJxydenxX XxAlønexX “if everyone was vegan we would take all of the plants away considering there’s many of us here” lmao 😂 I hope u just like 5 or sum cus if you older it just ain’t no hope for the you


I like that this actually became a real discussion lol that was cool


Those types of arguments are the ones I need to to stay far from it will never end 😂 😂


Everyone gangsta until Jidion gets serious


This man is a real one. Love that he believes in God too. 🙏


This man is the only YouTuber that genuinely makes me laugh

@SonDeku apparently 10 million find him funny

My videos are similar style to Jidion, I’m a New Youtuber and tryna hit my dream of 5k 🔥🔥

@Arada T RDCWORLD1, BERLEEZZY, AND DAZEDWOOZY

@Arada T check out Rickey, CoryXKenshin, Berleezy

@Arada T CoryxKenshin, Dashie, Agent 00. Etc

@Arada T danny duncan, jidion said it himself hes black danny duncan, hes like jidions inspiration. Both best youtubers rn

@Iso what others YouTuber you know are this funny ?🤨 seriously I need recommendation lol

You must not watch alot of YouTubers lmao


I think this dude is cappin. My family owns a butcher shop and there is no PTSD or depression that comes with it.


Vegans always look so happy and healthy, just a bunch of happy folks spreading joy


One of the experiences I’m most grateful for in life is owning a beef cow.  The day my family bought our first cow, the rest of her heard was heading to slaughter.  She was 400lbs, and barley a year old.  I named her tasty and she was given daily sweet grain and fruits from our family’s farm.  After 2 years of growing her out it was time.  Not gonna lie a cow is a little harder to gut then a deer but there is nothing better than doing every step your self.  It was some tasty beef 🥩  get a beef cow and fill your own freezer if you have the land and eat beef!!! It’s so worth it, yes it can be sad but the empowerment of growing and harvesting your own meat is very rewarding


He was funny and had facts a real good interview


Jidion: “I think it’s skillful to cut up a 300 pound pig or sumthin”<br>The guy: 👁 👄 👁 yeeaauuh

Jidion: “I think it’s skillful to cut up a 300 pound pig or sumthin”
The guy: 👁 👄 👁 yeeaauuh

Committing terror attacks is skillful too ☠

@ThisIsMyName yeah that’s true there’s some underrated people out there but underrated or not they do the most promoting it

@Kid Tristan ngl i have Seen some People with Good content. Some People unforrunately have to Self promote. There is on Other way for them

@HKROW lol a new YouTuber yo ass been on yt for 6 years

My videos are similar style to Jidion, I’m a New Youtuber and tryna hit my dream of 5k 🔥


I actually enjoyed the discussion at the end , was interesting to watch literally lmaooo🔥😂


I like how he pointed at every direction except at the actual camera 😂😂


Jidion was speaking facts. At the end of the day, everybody going to be doing what they think is right. Some people believe it’s wrong to slaughter animals and others people are going to go to McDonald’s daily. That’s just the way people are.


there’s not enough plants and veggies in the world to feed the whole world


This man is gonna have the whole vegan community after him

@Thomas McHugh you can't sit on your couch and eat shit but become the world's strongest man because you take steroids. Of they all take steroids then there a level playing field right? Then why was the strongest still vegan?

WARNING ⚠ JESUS COMMANDS YOU TO REPENT OR PERISH!!! YOUR SOUL IS ON THE LINE!!!

Not at all. Check out the comments on David's (the activist) channel and the video he posted. Most comments are polite.

@Carlos Mendez I wouldn’t use strongest men as a valid example since they all use steroids

Vegan community is like the LGBT community but smaller

My videos are similar style to Jidion, I’m a New Youtuber and tryna hit my dream of 5k 🔥🔥🔥

Nah vegans actually get a lot of protein, at one point the strongest man alive was a vegan, but I agree with the point, everyone should be allowed to do anything they want💪

@GarouAli protein literally comes from plants…

@GarouAli Lol Omnivores heavily outnumber them

@RSJ Yea ur right. They don't got enough protein to fight back lol


JiDion won the debate but the other dude was such a good sport


It would have been crazy if at the end you pulled out a real ground beef patty pack lol


If I go to court I want Jidion to be my lawyer


Respect for you Jidion for believing in god👍


you could tell he was so angry at the end ahaha


tbf this vegan guy ain't too bad he seems kind of reasonable. He's not a shouter so that's that.

@Samu Puuronen well I never said u have to eat meat to be Christian. I just said my God allows me to do it so I do it. ( and if I did my bad). Also they animals talked before Adam sinned so God gave them pain receptors before that happened that’s why they still have it. Also God allowed us to eat meat cause he made animals pure

@Swarms No religion mandates eating. We don’t have to eat animals to be a devout Christian, Muslim, Jew, Hindu, etc. Therefore, we can be vegan and religious, just like we can recycle and be religious, or just like any other modern lifestyle choice we make which is not explicitly mentioned in religious texts but is also not prohibited.

Plus, why would a wise and omniscient God give pain receptors to animals and then tell us to kill them? Surely God would approve of us being vegan, therefore causing the least amount of harm possible to animals and the environment, both of which are God’s creations.

I ate a sausage and turkey sandwich today 🥱

@Atte Rahikkala I am referring to the Bible because that is where I get my morals from and that’s how I live my life

@Atte Rahikkala this is what my friend told me about that verse ah, so very interesting topic. The word for "murder" and "kill" are different. The hebrew manuscripts here use the term "murder" but not "kill".

Killing (hebrew) refers to executing someone for justified reason such as a God sanctioned war, the protect the innocent, and punishment decreed by a just council (which can also be a war decreed by a just council, such as a God sanctioned council).

Murder (hebrew) refers to taking the life of someone out of vengeance, or the killing of someone outside of court ruling or war. This is taking of life where you are acting as judge and jury alone.

@Swarms Don't you think the Bible is contradictory then? Or is the Bible a valid baseline for ethics anyways? If the Bible approves causing unnecessary suffering (consuming animal products is unnecessary, regardless of it being approved or not), then why would you even refer to the Bible?

@Krwiomocz.Bogurodzicy Ⓥ  damn you outsmarted me. Still gonna eat burgers without second thoughts, and no not the veggie burgers that taste like ass with lettuce on it. But I don’t hate vegans anymore. But if they tell me to eat their nasty ass, fake ass, dry ass veggie burgers I’m going to jail.

@Atte Rahikkala well Jesus ate meat so it is allowed

@Swarms Does is specify somewhere that those statements only applies to humans?

@Atte Rahikkala why do u think God said we could eat meat

@Atte Rahikkala those are towards humans and yes I’m Christian

@Swarms What is your religion? Christianity? What about the parts "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" or "Thou shalt not kill" for example? Do you think these statements are in line with eating meat?

WARNING ⚠ JESUS COMMANDS YOU TO REPENT OR PERISH!!!! YOUR SOUL IS ON THE LINE!!!!

@Atte Rahikkala no I don’t think eating them is wrong cause my religion says it’s not wrong but I do think some of the ways they are killed is wrong

@Swarms Do you believe it justifies eating meat or would you agree that eating meat is wrong regardless of whether or not it tastes good?

@Atte Rahikkala also I believe that we are allowed to eat animals because of my religion so really nothing else is stopping me. But good for u for being vegan

@Atte Rahikkala I see what u mean. But the reason I’m not vegan is because meat taste good.

@Swarms Okay. But I highly disagree with the part about neither taking each other's side. I'm not claiming that a Youtube comment makes anyone vegan but it can definitely make people more aware. The vast majority of vegans weren't born vegan. Close to a hundred million vegans became vegan after they were informed and after their beliefs were questioned.

The message of veganism is very simple. It's a stance against injustice. If you believe that animal cruelty is wrong and if you believe that causing unnecessary suffering is wrong (which most people do), you already have a vegan mindset. Then people just need to be informed that animal agriculture indeed is cruel (by explaining and showing what is done to animals and how they are treated) and that it's scientifically proven that animal products are unnecessary for a healthy diet (thus making their suffering unnecessary). It really is that simple.

Exploiting animals for our benefit is so deeply in our society that most non-vegans never even consider that what they are doing is wrong. And when they are questioned the first time, they come up with all kinds of justifications. And after explaining why none of the justifications is valid, there's really no excuses left. Living a vegan life would actually be more in line with most people's morals if people were more informed about the exploitative industries and the reasoning behind veganism.

@Atte Rahikkala and I liked the persons comment I don’t have to reply with yes I agree

@Atte Rahikkala I didn’t respond cause I was asleep when I say ur only hurting yourself I mean like it’s pointless to argue cause no one is gonna take each other’s side and both of u guys would waste each other’s time

@Marco,<br>Humans have been raping, murdering and enslaving each other for years. Your logical fallacy is: appeal to tradition.

@Marco,
Humans have been raping, murdering and enslaving each other for years. Your logical fallacy is: appeal to tradition.

@Swarms What do you mean makes it worse for yourself? In terms of feeling guilty? I literally don't understand your point, this person above respectfully debunked your arguments and your advice is to ignore them?

@Marco Vegans definitely understand the concept of food chain. The point however is that being at the top of the food chain doesn't ethically justify exploiting non-human animals. Just because one is stronger and is in the power position, doesn't justify doing something. Wouldn't the "food chain" line of reasoning also justify colonialism?

Look up earthling Ed- best vegan in the world

@Marco just ignore them trying to argue with them only makes it worse for yourself

@Marco It’s not just about killing animals. The meat industry heavily contributes to climate change. Red meat is also really unhealthy.

@Swarms He’s right about the meat industry though. Egg manufacturers literally shred male chicks alive the day they are born because they’re useless to them since they don’t lay eggs.

any advice to help me not wanna smack vegans upside their head? They don’t understand the kindergarten level food chain. “Save the animals 🥺🥺🥺😇😇😇” is bs. We’ve been eating meat for millions of years and now all of a sudden they say “omg no, eating sheep so bad 🥺🥺🥺😱😱😱”

Yeah but he honestly has no idea what he’s talking about when it comes to the Bible. Also most places that kill animals do it in humane ways


Bro should’ve hit him with the “It’s right to pity them, Mark. Wrong to value them more than your own kind!”

@zayneb abbarah Yeah my comment implies that I think being vegan is stupid

god created them so we can eat most of them. stop being brainwashed over watching videos study who created them and why.


Ngl, Dion May do a lot of off-the-wall shit, but I’m real glad he took the time to give Veganism some screen time and give it some thought.


I’m vegan too, but I can see both sides of the situation.


"it's not a belief". Believing that eating animals is wrong IS A BELIEF MF WHAT. Only humans feel guilt, no carnivore has a problem eating an animal or feel any kind of remorse. We're here to eat each other and who says killing is inherently wrong and not just something socially frowned upon based on guilt which is a uniquely human emotion.

@Castillo _130 None of this is true. Row cropping is far more destructive than raising ruminants. Ruminants graze on grass which is already growing. Almost all the water used is from rainfall. The propaganda is strong but if you actually look it up you’ll see how quickly the narrative falls apart.

Aye I’m not trying to be a vegan like that, but it literally isn’t a belief. Factually, cattle grazing and livestock production and processes harm the environment and us people. So in actuality, veganism is a solution, not a belief. This is in relation to the logical side, but of course their are certain beliefs that come with veganism.


🤣 Man this Vegan guy was proper sound! He made some good points!

🤣 Man this Vegan guy was proper sound! He made some good points!

@JustRoberto the “other options” are twice as expensive & half as nutritious, so yes, it is a necessity for a lot of us. Have fun with your morally superior & expensive lifestyle, lets see who actually makes it to 100.

@JustRoberto the “other options” are twice as expensive & half as nutritious, so yes, it is a necessity for a lot of us. Have fun with your morally superior & expensive lifestyle, lets see who actually makes it to 100.

Is no one going to bring up the issue of overpopulation of animals if we just let them reproduce.

Is no one going to bring up the issue of overpopulation of animals if we just let them reproduce.

@mind E tf? Ur asking us to take it seriously whilst you’re insulting the fact that we are eating meat? I’m not respecting your opinion if you’re not respecting mine. Also, it’s literally how we’re made. Humans were created to eat and hunt animals for meat. Just because we found a more efficient and actually quite a lot of the time more humane way to do it doesn’t mean we’re monsters? It means we’re smart and living up to the potential that we were made to live up to. Don’t get me wrong, eat whatever the fuck you wanna eat I couldnt care less, and I won’t abuse you if I see you eating a vegan meal, but if you’re out here telling us we are wrong and need to change our opinions on how we eat, that’s fucked up. Mind your business and keep your opinions, diet, lifestyle, etc to yourself because it’s joy the only one out there.

@mind E nah its definitely necessary. not everyone likes the disgusting taste of chemically altered plant meats, and whats necessary is for people to eat. Some people are more sensitive in taste and simply cant eat things that taste like trash, and thus it is obviously necessary to have normal meat. You dont get to decide whats necessary at all for people. You're ignorant

Me watching this video thinking about the chicken wrap I’m about to order

Me watching this video thinking about the chicken wrap I’m about to order

@mind E ok then be consistent with your logic you hypocrite.

Do you need a phone to survive? (A phone that required caves being built which took the homeland of animals and killed them)
Do you need the roof over your head(you could live in nature and take up way less materials using a tent or something so saving more ecosystems)
Do you need to go to school to learn English?(Schools are buildings which were once land where animals lived)

See how your logic is flawed and how much of a hypocrite you are being by using that logic. You can’t pick and choose.
Why is it fine for you to destroy habitats with the roof Over your head but not fine for someone to eat meat from an animal killed in a factory?

Omar OMAR why can we get mad it’s the circle of life animals need to eat too there alive with a brain and a caunsis so we kill animals to eat and abs the other way around that’s how life works but killing for fungi don’t think is the same

Omar OMAR why can we get mad it’s the circle of life animals need to eat too there alive with a brain and a caunsis so we kill animals to eat and abs the other way around that’s how life works but killing for fungi don’t think is the same

Omar OMAR vise versa I’m just sayin people can’t get mad when animals eat humans

Omar OMAR vise versa I’m just sayin people can’t get mad when animals eat humans

@JustRoberto Yes, I am aware of all those foods. I am a person who is fed a variety of categories, but I’ll say it again, I can’t do anything.
I’m a minor and am close to graduation, in which I have my own worries since I’m wrapped up in society just like everyone else.
Animals don’t have rights, we can’t apply our way of thinking to them .. realistically speaking, humans don’t either.
Creating rights, the U.S amendments for example, are nothing but to keep “peace.”
So people don’t have to live in fear and experience real terror, they were made.
If humans didn’t produce morals and a way of communication, we wouldn’t be sitting here having a debate.
We’d be quite similar to our other neighboring in habitants, but instead we have the ability to empathize.
Which to each their own when deciding if it’s good or bad thing.
I don’t plan on changing, I’m already set on my current enjoyments of food, it was engraved in my head since I was born.
I can’t make a change, there will still be other animals dying and suffering, I’m sorry if I can’t agree with your morality and jurisdiction.
I don’t believe in any concept such as good or bad, right or wrong.
Personally, I’d rather try protesting to our authorities to stop expanding farms and reduce the amount of meat production.
Or produce a sanctuary where I can help as much as I can.
But it will never be enough, making a small plot of land for a sanctuary will never save everyone in need.
Its practically me attempting to pity them because they’re suffering, because they’re dying.
I’m trying my best to explain this, sorry if I leave anything out.
I will take a deeper look in to whatever would help me better understand those who wish to go plant based,
As someone who finds everyone on equal grounds, despite having a hierarchy, I’m proud that you’re arguing for what seems right to you.
So, if it makes this situation any better, since I’m a meat eater, I have come to always welcome the thought of dying by any means necessary.
If I were to be kidnapped, raped, and brutally murdered: I’m fine with it.
If I were to be killed in a car crash, that’s great.
If I were to be shot, that’s fine to.
I want to repay with my own life, I want to experience the suffering those who died for me.
For I will finally be equal with those that died for humanity’s sake.

@Carlos Castillejo we’re not lions, we don’t need to systematically exploit other beings for food, clothing or entertainment etc. Fruit salad isn’t the only option also. You can still eat all the same food but the vegan version.

@Carlos Castillejo we’re not lions, we don’t need to systematically exploit other beings for food, clothing or entertainment etc. Fruit salad isn’t the only option also. You can still eat all the same food but the vegan version.

@Ephemeralxena you can do something though, you can purchase plant based foods instead which are cheaper if you stick to things like lentils, beans, tofu, chickpea, rice, potatoes, apples, bananas, oats, pasta, carrots, pears, peas etc. Then you could by clothes that aren’t first hand animal based clothes like fur, leather etc. Everyone is recommended to take a b12 supplement in the USA 30-40% of people are deficient in b12, it’s not a vegan issue that’s just misinformation. B12 is supplemented to animals in their feed as they also have the same issue we do. The science literature is clear on plant based diets, they’re healthier and more environmentally friendly. You just gotta spend some time relearning as you haven’t been taught this information. Animals don’t deserve to have their rights violated for a burger.

@JustRoberto Jesus, here we go.
No, I do not think it’s okay dammit, stop shoving words in my damn mouth.
Torture is torture. Death is death.
I’m talking about the physics behind death, not torture.
They’re on two different levels and carry their own definitions, so don’t start.
And that’s not the only vitamin/supplement I’d have to ingest, if you want me to provide a whole list of what I would need and the correct dosage: then I will gladly do so.
I do not justify torturing a, “Non human.” (They’re animals, you don’t have to clarify them as non-humans. We’re animals to.)
Forgive me if I implied it, I can’t put down every single thing that I believe in, therefore you might have misunderstood me.
I just don’t have the time nor money to invest myself in becoming vegan, I have school, college, and getting a job to worry about.
And even if this plan of mine would work: the clothes I wear, the shoes I wear, and every piece of accessory I have contains the tears of those who worked hard to make it.
There’s just so much to explain, and I can’t explain my whole morals in just one comment.
 Everyone is suffering, you, me, the animals kept in zoos, a bearded dragon who has a metabolic bone disease, the bird that passed away due to heat exhaustion, and the animals who’re killed for humanity’s own benefit.
I can’t do anything about it, nothing, I’m just someone who’s living their life.
Not in a positive way, I mean I’m literally trying to live through my circumstances.
My apologies if I offended you.

@Carlos Castillejo
1.  "ANIMALS EAT OTHER ANIMALS"

While it is of course true that animals do eat other animals all the time in nature, basing our own ethics, as humans, on the actions of animals, can lead us to all sorts of problems. If we can justify something solely on the basis that animals do it, then we can justify the following: urinating in people's front gardens (dogs do it); sexually penetrating females without their consent (lions do it); smothering our babies to death (lions also do it); vomiting on people's food (flies do it); and so on. People only seem to be interested in justifying human behaviour on one thing that animals do, and that's eating animals.

2.  "BUT WE'RE OMNIVORES / WE HAVE CANINE TEETH"

Having body parts that are simply capable of doing something does not mean that we should do it. To use an analogy, imagine if a man sexually assaulted someone, and then to justify his actions, pointed at his penis. Yes, humans can digest animal products, but why does that mean we should? Vegans are living proof that humans can live long, healthy lives without eating any animal products whatsoever, and they have the same biological makeup (teeth, etc.) of any non-vegan person, thus it is unnecessary to harm animals when there are alternatives.

With regards to the teeth, it turns out that our teeth are in no way carnivorous/omnivorous anyway. Humans have flat, blunt teeth, with a jaw capable of moving side to side, just like any herbivore. With regards specifically to our 2 pointy little teeth, these are commonplace in various species of herbivores, such as fruit bats, rhinos, hippos, gorillas, and musk deer (aka the sabre tooth deer), all of which have far larger, sharper canines than our 2 pathetic little apple-crunchers that are completely incapable of even tearing through a pillow, let alone someone's flesh and bone.

If humans even had a single omnivorous instinct, the animal rights movement wouldn't even exist because we'd be too busy drooling over slaughterhouse footage to even care. Rather, when we see slaughter footage, we are repulsed by it. A true omnivore or carnivore would salivate or get hungry.

Omar OMAR I’m not vegan but don’t say meat, we got meat on use say animals

Omar OMAR I’m not vegan but don’t say meat, we got meat on use say animals

Yeah, give a Lion a fruit salad everyday instead of juicy Gazelle meat, see how long it survives. We're omnivores, we were made to eat meat, vegetables, fruits and whatever is edible. Y'all acting like you wouldn't even crack an egg, yet most of you support a woman killing their child while they're in the womb.

Yeah, give a Lion a fruit salad everyday instead of juicy Gazelle meat, see how long it survives. We're omnivores, we were made to eat meat, vegetables, fruits and whatever is edible. Y'all acting like you wouldn't even crack an egg, yet most of you support a woman killing their child while they're in the womb.

@Ephemeralxena so you believe it’s justified to exploit and torture non humans because you’ve always participated in doing so and because you’re not 18 yet and because you think a supplement costs more that a chunk of flesh? You can get b12 from fortified plant milks, marmite, nutritional yeast to name some sources. B12 is supplemented to the animals you eat, so why not just take the supplement directly?

@Pingo you ever killed a chicken bro? That shit is horrifying 😭

@Pingo you ever killed a chicken bro? That shit is horrifying 😭

@JustRoberto you do know science show that plants feel pain

@JustRoberto you do know science show that plants feel pain

@JustRoberto Huh? Did you not read my comment? Your question is not relevant to what I said, in fact it was already answered.
Shall I rephrase what I said to fit my own perspective ? If so, then here you go.
No, I do not have that choice as I’m a minor with no source of income.
Supplements are worth 100’s of dollars.
Nor do I choose to go that path, I’ve already dirtied my hands with the meat eaten from animals that died from humanity’s wrath.
Or insects I’ve killed because I feared something so little, their life was taken. Or the flower I ripped out of its habitat.
Those things would have died in vain if I just suddenly go vegan: those animals had to unwillingly give their source of existence to us.
Here’s an example, a pedophile who’s raped kids has been set free.
However, this pedophile is for some reason allowed back in to a neighborhood of an elementary school.
(Of course he is on parol, but that doesn’t mean  he can’t gain the ability to do it again.)
He claims, “I’m making a change, I’ve realized that what I’ve done was wrong. I shouldn’t have done what I did.”
So now this pedophile realizes his mistakes, but why did a poor child have to be sacrificed for his ignorance? Why does it take a crime for people to come to a realization? Why couldn’t people do so without sacrificing another organism.
And even so, he was released back in to the neighborhood of an elementary school.
Do you think he’s going to make the change? When he’s already dirtied his hands ..
I am in no means trying to put these two in depth situation on similar grounds, they have their own pedestal.
I’m just giving an example.
Every organism is living, whether it feels pain or not, that’s not what matters.
Every living thing attempts to play in the game of life and death, everyone is a player here.
We all even share the same unwanted fate: death.
There’s no turning back.

@JustRobertodo you believe we should harm bacteria by washing our hands with soap when there’s an alternative to doing so? I don’t understand why my stance on the topic matters, why does me being vegan or not matter

@JustRobertodo you believe we should harm bacteria by washing our hands with soap when there’s an alternative to doing so? I don’t understand why my stance on the topic matters, why does me being vegan or not matter

@Krwiomocz.Bogurodzicy Ⓥ your saying plants can’t breathe, also if we kill plants only then we would have an overpopulation of animal’s, our ecosystem would get messed up. And we would turn into sticks withought protein and the nutrients from meats that plants do not have, also, is there any bodybuilders who don’t eat meat? No, also animals would kill us and have to eat us due it over population would drive more animals to eat more stuff, making an ecosystem that is trash,

@mind E just cuz ur vegan doesn’t mean it’s wrong to kill animals, it is just the circle of life. Obviously I don’t think that animals should be tortured and locked in small cages but, just killing them in a quick and un painful way is not bad it’s just how life works. Simple

@mind E just cuz ur vegan doesn’t mean it’s wrong to kill animals, it is just the circle of life. Obviously I don’t think that animals should be tortured and locked in small cages but, just killing them in a quick and un painful way is not bad it’s just how life works. Simple

@Britt Egan correct food is yummy, do you think pleasure justifies cruelty to animals?

@Britt Egan correct food is yummy, do you think pleasure justifies cruelty to animals?

@Ephemeralxena do you have the choice though?

@Ephemeralxena do you have the choice though?

@PingPongSammy case closed? No I don’t think so dude, when you buy animal products you create more demand for animals to be harmed, how else does the meat end up on the shelf? You pay for animals to be harmed and so does your YouTube prank hero

Also the length of time we’ve done something doesn’t make it right, we’ve been killing each other for ever also…

@PingPongSammy case closed? No I don’t think so dude, when you buy animal products you create more demand for animals to be harmed, how else does the meat end up on the shelf? You pay for animals to be harmed and so does your YouTube prank hero

Also the length of time we’ve done something doesn’t make it right, we’ve been killing each other for ever also…

@King N_N do you believe we ought to harm animals when there’s an alternative to avoid doing so?

@King N_N do you believe we ought to harm animals when there’s an alternative to avoid doing so?

@JustRoberto I’m not asserting any point on whether I think it’s right or not I’m just tired of seeing a vegan claim that their way is the righteous way. Because in the end veganism all has to do with opinions and for you to say your opinion is above someone else’s is just showing a superiority complex (in my opinion). Because I believe everybody’s opinions have the same objective value (except some special scenarios, in which veganism is not a part of)

@JustRoberto that's not paying for hit man at all, i get your logic, but the people buying the meat aren't paying for anybody to kill other animals, people have been eating meat for years dude we're not paying anyone kill no animal jidion isn't paying no guy to go shoot an animals. humans we're made to eat meat, period. animals would eat us, we would eat them, no difference. case closed

@JustRoberto When there’s a choice not to? Many can not afford to go vegan, some can’t even get the correct supplements to sustain their bodies.
Our ancestors managed to eat meat, that is why we’ve become more enhanced and smarter. Our brains have even increased in size.
There is no such thing as right or wrong, good or bad, and any other bull shit concept humans have created (If you want to believe in it, then I could really care less. A fat majority of people believe in it when it will never apply to the world ITSELF).
We’re in a world that circulates around a never ending cycle, we will never be able to eliminate the suffering of animals.
Vegans tend to only focus on those in the grasp of humanity, every living organism matters. Not just cows, not just pigs, not just lambs, EVERYTHING. Even us.
Now, let me ask this, what do you think of a lion killing an impala? Or an orca killing a shark and eating its liver?
I’ve had few people tell me, “Dont compare to an animal.”
Wake the fuck up, we’re all animals.
All on equal grounds, all trying to survive.
Kill or be killed, that’s the reality.
However, if you’re vegan, then that’s absolutely great! I have no judgment on that.
I just dislike the morals of those who stand against animal abuse, it’s not something for me to comprehend, but at the same time, it is so I can be more knowledgeable on the matter.
However, don’t get me wrong, I also despise harming animals.

@King N_N so you believe its good or that we ought to torture animals?

@King N_N so you believe its good or that we ought to torture animals?

@JustRoberto saying that torturing animals is bad/evil is morally subjective; vegans are just pragmatist who give the lives of animals more value than non-vegans

@JustRoberto saying that torturing animals is bad/evil is morally subjective; vegans are just pragmatist who give the lives of animals more value than non-vegans

@JustRoberto if people killed them without the animal feeling pain then I don’t see the issue, we have teeth that can bite through meat for a reason. Better than animals getting diseases and dying from those diseases, the farmers give the animals vaccines and generally the animals in decent places live a lot better than they would out in the open.

@JustRoberto if people killed them without the animal feeling pain then I don’t see the issue, we have teeth that can bite through meat for a reason. Better than animals getting diseases and dying from those diseases, the farmers give the animals vaccines and generally the animals in decent places live a lot better than they would out in the open.

@PingPongSammy basic economics, supply and demand, you buy an animal product and that creates more demand, like paying for a hit man. Did you watch the video at all?

@PingPongSammy basic economics, supply and demand, you buy an animal product and that creates more demand, like paying for a hit man. Did you watch the video at all?

@JustRoberto how are you harming animals in the supermarket when there already dead dude

@JustRoberto how are you harming animals in the supermarket when there already dead dude

@JustRoberto Soy that ends up in the bellies of livestock is first used to create soy oil which is consumed by humans. The byproduct of that oil production is soy meal which is the product that is fed to livestock.

Soy oil is about 3 times the price of soy meal by the way.

As I said previously, most of the crops that are grown aren't for livestock. A claim that they are isn't supported by evidence.

This is besides the point in any case, as soy is a small fraction of all the plants grown by humans.

Pesticides are necessary for good crop yields and to avoid waste.

It's likey that all of the plants that you consume have been sprayed with them and they result in a lot of death even if we igore the trillions of insects. You then have the birds that consume those insects. The small mammals such as mice and voles that happen to be on the fields when it is sprayed. Any animal that consume those easy to catch poisoned animals. The death goes all the way up the food chain. Then you have crop protection measures and the death from harvests.

@Kreed2k regardless, we still have to grow additional crops to feed to animals, that’s why 80%-90% of soya production from the Amazon rainforest is grown specifically for animal feed. So the point is we still use more pesticides when we eat animals also. And pesticides aren’t a necessity it’s just bad practice when profit is the main motive. Pesticides don’t make it morally okay to cause avoidable harm or to not reduce suffering.

@JustRoberto Most crops aren't grown to feed livestock this is just the justification you use to convince yourself that vegan is the right choice. There is no evidence to support this claim.

Firstly, humans grown a huge variety of crops only a minority of these end up in the bellies of livestock. sugarcane, rice, potatoes, apples, avocados, tomatoes all the variety of nuts and legumes and many more.

Secondly, 86% of what livestock consume is inedidble waste/byproducts from the crops grown for human consumption.

Don't believe me on that figure? Google it, it's from an FAO study. I am unable to post links that leave YouTube.

@JustRoberto 100 years ago you would of never survived or been very unhealthy being a vegan. You can't just go vegan and thats that. You have to take supplements for deficiencies. Guess what. If it wasn't for meat you wouldn't even have those supplements today. Meat is one of the main factors in how we evolved into the humans we are today. So without that you wouldn't even be able to have the option to be a vegan.

@JustRoberto who decides whether its unnecessary. There are plenty of reasons and scientific facts why we SHOULD eat meat.

@JustRoberto who decides whether its unnecessary. There are plenty of reasons and scientific facts why we SHOULD eat meat.

@Kreed2k you’ve never seen it happen because you haven’t don’t the research, most pesticides use happens in animal agriculture as most crops are grown to feed the animals people eat. So if you care about pesticides, being vegan is a reduction in this issue.

@Kreed2k you’ve never seen it happen because you haven’t don’t the research, most pesticides use happens in animal agriculture as most crops are grown to feed the animals people eat. So if you care about pesticides, being vegan is a reduction in this issue.

@PingPongSammy humans are animals and we aren’t in a survival situation, when you go to a supermarket and you have a choice do you choose to harm another being or to choose a vegan option instead?

@PingPongSammy humans are animals and we aren’t in a survival situation, when you go to a supermarket and you have a choice do you choose to harm another being or to choose a vegan option instead?

@Marshall we’ve been killing each other since the beginning of time and humans kill other humans.

See the fact we’ve been doing something for a period of time has no bearing on it being morally good, and again just because another animal does an action, doesn’t mean that action is morally good or bad.

You haven’t made a point you have just stated that we have done this for a long time and other animals do it, yeh and? That’s doesn’t mean we ought to continue needlessly exploiting and harming other animals.

@mind E id gladly slap tf outa a cow or pig but a dog on the other hand that’s fucked up

@mind E id gladly slap tf outa a cow or pig but a dog on the other hand that’s fucked up

@mind E I had a bacon cheese burger today

@mind E I had a bacon cheese burger today

@mind E then make every animal vegan aswell then well be vegan too alright

@mind E then make every animal vegan aswell then well be vegan too alright

Animals are alive I think humans hype are selves up to much but you can’t get everyone vegan and animals eat to but humans got to realize we are the most invasive species on the planet most destructive and is at the top of the food chain being one of the only species to eat any and everything I don’t mind but I feel like people have no right to call animals invasive or get mad and kill animals if they retaliate at a zoo or kill if an animal kills a human when we do it but worse

@JustRoberto we been killing animals since the beginning of time. Other animals kill each other all the time and we kill them to eat food like them and

@JustRoberto we been killing animals since the beginning of time. Other animals kill each other all the time and we kill them to eat food like them and

@JustRoberto kudos man! Defending veganism! Seems like lot of excusetarians in the thread tho.. 🥴👄🗣

@JustRoberto kudos man! Defending veganism! Seems like lot of excusetarians in the thread tho.. 🥴👄🗣

@UCRTRnRbBXmGn7LN1lkNZQ7g it’s literally necessary for everyone dumb ass. You wouldn’t be wearing your clothes if an animal hadn’t got “slaughtered.” Boo hoo, circle of life. We’re all gonna die one day and it’s not guaranteed that it’s gonna be by age or something. There’s always a bigger predators

@UCRTRnRbBXmGn7LN1lkNZQ7g it’s literally necessary for everyone dumb ass. You wouldn’t be wearing your clothes if an animal hadn’t got “slaughtered.” Boo hoo, circle of life. We’re all gonna die one day and it’s not guaranteed that it’s gonna be by age or something. There’s always a bigger predators

@JustRoberto why compare humans to animals? what if you we're out in the wild out of nowhere starving and you had to do something to survive, what would you do?

@JustRoberto why compare humans to animals? what if you we're out in the wild out of nowhere starving and you had to do something to survive, what would you do?

@mind E meat was made to be eaten, hunting is more humane than not because i.e deer will be killed by another animal that doesnt care if it suffers, and it definitely will suffer. shooting a deer in the head with a bullet will more than likely kill it quicker and therefore less pain endured by the deer, than some coyote chomping its legs off and not giving a damn because its an animal, it doesnt have thought capacity like that

@人間 I can just cite the position of the largest health health organisations such as the academy of nutrition and dietetics :- “It is the position of the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics that appropriately planned vegetarian, including vegan, diets are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and may provide health benefits for the prevention and treatment of certain diseases. These diets are appropriate for all stages of the life cycle, including pregnancy, lactation, infancy, childhood, adolescence, older adulthood, and for athletes. Plant-based diets are more environmentally sustainable than diets rich in animal products because they use fewer natural resources and are associated with much less environmental damage. Vegetarians and vegans are at reduced risk of certain health conditions, including ischemic heart disease, type 2 diabetes, hypertension, certain types of cancer, and obesity. Low intake of saturated fat and high intakes of vegetables, fruits, whole grains, legumes, soy products, nuts, and seeds (all rich in fiber and phytochemicals) are characteristics of vegetarian and vegan diets that produce lower total and low-density lipoprotein cholesterol levels and better serum glucose control. These factors contribute to reduction of chronic disease. Vegans need reliable sources of vitamin B-12, such as fortified foods or supplements.”

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27886704/

@JustRoberto necessary for good health, I don't think you have the credibility in biology to be talking the talk

@JustRoberto necessary for good health, I don't think you have the credibility in biology to be talking the talk

@mind E paradigm shift btw

"Are you against animal abuse? Then you're already vegan at heart" manipulation of logic and emotion

@mind E paradigm shift btw

"Are you against animal abuse? Then you're already vegan at heart" manipulation of logic and emotion

@GG M nobody is saying they are equal, I’m saying they’re above the value you prescribe them which seems to be lower than your taste buds

@GG M nobody is saying they are equal, I’m saying they’re above the value you prescribe them which seems to be lower than your taste buds

@King N_N so you think torture of animals is morally subjective?

@King N_N so you think torture of animals is morally subjective?

@JustRoberto the counter argument is that there is no such thing as objective moralism because moralism in itself is subjective; Veganism is just a different from of pragmatism and you can’t prove that one moral scale is more true or objectively correct than another one

@JustRoberto the counter argument is that there is no such thing as objective moralism because moralism in itself is subjective; Veganism is just a different from of pragmatism and you can’t prove that one moral scale is more true or objectively correct than another one

@JustRoberto this whole thread is dumb. I’m thinking of going vegan in the future but why does it matter if somebody likes meat or doesn’t like meat. just let them eat what they want

@JustRoberto this whole thread is dumb. I’m thinking of going vegan in the future but why does it matter if somebody likes meat or doesn’t like meat. just let them eat what they want

@mind E I'm 100% against animal abuse and specific ways they kill animals.. but I'm not against eating my fish and meats. I hope vegans one day realize overpopulation is a real thing.

@mind E I'm 100% against animal abuse and specific ways they kill animals.. but I'm not against eating my fish and meats. I hope vegans one day realize overpopulation is a real thing.

@GG M do you believe it’s morally right to cause needless and avoidable harm to another being?

@GG M do you believe it’s morally right to cause needless and avoidable harm to another being?

@mind E Lay off the crack pipe, the mass majority of world will never go vegan.

@mind E Lay off the crack pipe, the mass majority of world will never go vegan.

@JustRoberto We’re at the top of the food chain and we have teeth and digestive system that’s adapted to being omnivores. Wether you value a human life and wild animal’s life the same is morally subjective.

@JustRoberto We’re at the top of the food chain and we have teeth and digestive system that’s adapted to being omnivores. Wether you value a human life and wild animal’s life the same is morally subjective.

@773 Legend Do you have any idea what you're talking about? India is the world's biggest producer of beef and leather

@773 Legend Do you have any idea what you're talking about? India is the world's biggest producer of beef and leather

@773 Legend Because there isn't any good counter arguments against veganism.

@773 Legend Because there isn't any good counter arguments against veganism.

@773 Legend It isn’t a necessity if there are other options and there are plenty of those. Something is a necessity if we absolutely have to do something to survive. Yes we need food and clothing. But no we don’t have to murder trillions of animals for food or clothing. We are highly advanced and capable. With all the options we have, why would we continue to cause needless suffering?

@mind E man I don’t even eat meat anymore but you doing to much. Who cares if people like to eat meat or not, animals die everyday n get abused by other animals. I’m not saying it’s right or wrong it’s just the food chain. Animals are doing it all the time so why can’t humans plus we are omnivores. We have other options… so what, meat tastes good and we enjoy it. I have no problem with veganism but some of you people are just over the top like sheesh. I’d rather have an animal die by getting shot in the head or neck sliced than to literally be eaten alive by another animal

@mind E chill out you need some meat in your life lmaooooo

@mind E chill out you need some meat in your life lmaooooo

@StoryofJose,<br>You've made 5 claims. All of which are wrong.

@StoryofJose,
You've made 5 claims. All of which are wrong.

Animals are on this planet to be eaten                                                .

Animals are on this planet to be eaten                                                .

@Krwiomocz.Bogurodzicy Ⓥ hold on but u like killing plants which are living. if we had no meat we would die from lack of protein it is survival. While the animals would kill us.

@Krwiomocz.Bogurodzicy Ⓥ hold on but u like killing plants which are living. if we had no meat we would die from lack of protein it is survival. While the animals would kill us.

@mind E at that point why eat anything at all, if everything you eat had negative consequences??

@mind E at that point why eat anything at all, if everything you eat had negative consequences??

@JustRoberto is it morally wrong for a lion to eat a gazelle or hyaena to maul or animals to death Or wolves to eat a deer nope it’s just the food chain some animals eat meat to survive some eat grass don’t knock it that’s apart of life

@JustRoberto is it morally wrong for a lion to eat a gazelle or hyaena to maul or animals to death Or wolves to eat a deer nope it’s just the food chain some animals eat meat to survive some eat grass don’t knock it that’s apart of life

@JustRoberto no it’s no but ok. And no harm is done. I only support instant death. Imagine if humans were just as dumb as other animals. We’d be killing animals because we’re naturally omnivores. Also we squash mosquitos and ants and other bugs without batting an eye. Why? Because we value human life more. Same with every other species, we don’t value them the same as human lives. So yes it is morally right imo. And remember there is no objective morally right. So stop trying to dictate morality. My view is an opinion. And so is yours

@Jord 🏳⚧ I know some are. But most aren’t.

@Jord 🏳⚧ I know some are. But most aren’t.

@Joshua Polanco,<br>You're virtue signalling about the virtue of not virtue signalling.

@Joshua Polanco,
You're virtue signalling about the virtue of not virtue signalling.

@Relax_Rombey,<br>In what morally relevant way are dogs different to cows or pigs?

@Relax_Rombey,
In what morally relevant way are dogs different to cows or pigs?

@Krwiomocz.Bogurodzicy Ⓥ dogs are different

@Krwiomocz.Bogurodzicy Ⓥ dogs are different

he was another classic example of a fear mongering Vegan y'all are radical but think all that virtue signaling hides it XD

he was another classic example of a fear mongering Vegan y'all are radical but think all that virtue signaling hides it XD

@773 Legend the part that makes it unnecessary is the fact that we are capable of surviving without eating them. If we don't NEED to do it to survive, by definition it is UNNECESSARY. It's really simple.

@773 Legend the part that makes it unnecessary is the fact that we are capable of surviving without eating them. If we don't NEED to do it to survive, by definition it is UNNECESSARY. It's really simple.

@Carlie S he said unnecessary harm and exploitation. It’s not uncessary harm it’s necessary to eat them. It’s useful. It’s not just torturing and animal to leave on the side of the road that uncessary harm.

@Carlie S he said unnecessary harm and exploitation. It’s not uncessary harm it’s necessary to eat them. It’s useful. It’s not just torturing and animal to leave on the side of the road that uncessary harm.

@JustRoberto bro imma just leave it as we have differnt belief cause there too many replies now lol. Humans are omnivores and made to eat meat. I don’t like the inhuman treatment of animals. I think they should be treated with respect when killed for the purpose of meat / clothing. According to the Bible we had domain over animals but still must respect them. So human and animals are not on the same level. If u had 5 humans about to be crushed and 5 pigs about to be crushed which would u save if u had 1 option. I’d hope you’d save the humans.

He literally sounded like he was talking to a cow

He literally sounded like he was talking to a cow

@JustRoberto it’s not wrong to eat animals it’s natural. You ever see a bear eat a deer? Bears don’t like to eat dead carcasses so they injure the prey and eat it alive. Killing and eating animals is part of nature it’s ur humanity thats artificial and that’s telling you killing is bad, when in reality killing other species for food is 100% natural and normal. The only good argument for vegainism is environmental factors considering the beef industry and other farming industries are not good for the environment considering all the water that’s wasted and emissions.

@OPOL cool story. Even if that were true, you should be vegan because eating animals kills wayyyyy more plants than if you were just to directly eat plants.<br> So to be consistent with your belief that plant lives matter, you by default should go vegan and be responsible for Less plant deaths. 😘

@OPOL cool story. Even if that were true, you should be vegan because eating animals kills wayyyyy more plants than if you were just to directly eat plants.
 So to be consistent with your belief that plant lives matter, you by default should go vegan and be responsible for Less plant deaths. 😘

he kept shitting the bag and giving more and more unrealistic examples

he kept shitting the bag and giving more and more unrealistic examples

@mind E scientifically plants feel pain they did an experiment where some dude screamed a riped a plants leaf and a class of high schoolers walked by it when that dude walked by its something went up basically a hart beat or something but not

@mind E scientifically plants feel pain they did an experiment where some dude screamed a riped a plants leaf and a class of high schoolers walked by it when that dude walked by its something went up basically a hart beat or something but not

@JustRoberto Just highlighting the hypocrisy and, no, I don't know that vegans campaign for that. I've never seen that happen.

@JustRoberto Just highlighting the hypocrisy and, no, I don't know that vegans campaign for that. I've never seen that happen.

@Kreed2k wait are you saying pesticide use is a justification to directly and needlessly harm animals? You know vegans also campaign for overall better farming and harm reduction right? Just because harm exists that not a justification to maximise the harm we cause, that’s ridiculous thinking.

@Kreed2k wait are you saying pesticide use is a justification to directly and needlessly harm animals? You know vegans also campaign for overall better farming and harm reduction right? Just because harm exists that not a justification to maximise the harm we cause, that’s ridiculous thinking.

@JustRoberto What are you talking about. Vegans harm animals too. What do you think pesticides do and then you have crop protection.

@JustRoberto What are you talking about. Vegans harm animals too. What do you think pesticides do and then you have crop protection.

If you believe in the Bible you believe that we are all born into sin, meat only started being eaten after Adam and Eve sinned. God wants us all to individually choose the right path, and I think the one where we don't eat the flesh of his creations is probably the right one.

If you believe in the Bible you believe that we are all born into sin, meat only started being eaten after Adam and Eve sinned. God wants us all to individually choose the right path, and I think the one where we don't eat the flesh of his creations is probably the right one.

him mentioning "the bible supports slavery" was not a good point at all because back then slavery was totally different then the slavery that happened towards people

him mentioning "the bible supports slavery" was not a good point at all because back then slavery was totally different then the slavery that happened towards people

@shoobadoo123 yes it does saying it’s human nature is an appeal to nature, it’s not a moral justification to harm animals. Do you think it’s morally right to needlessly harm an animal?

@shoobadoo123 yes it does saying it’s human nature is an appeal to nature, it’s not a moral justification to harm animals. Do you think it’s morally right to needlessly harm an animal?

@shoobadoo123 Watch Land of hope and glory on YouTube and tell me those animals aren't living in an abusive and neglectful atmosphere

@shoobadoo123 Watch Land of hope and glory on YouTube and tell me those animals aren't living in an abusive and neglectful atmosphere

@JustRoberto Supermarket or not, doesn’t matter. And just because you have the choice to NOT eat animals doesn’t mean you should. Who are you to say what’s right and what’s wrong? The audacity of vegans like you who try to dictate morality is unbelievable. Also we are not lions. And I never even made that argument. I’m talking about human nature. That doesn’t fit the appeal to nature fallacy.

@shoobadoo123 dude you don’t do anything naturally, you go to a supermarket to buy factory farmed and abused animals body parts. The fact you can eat them doesn’t mean you should. There’s an alternative choice instead of abusing animals. Look up appeal to nature fallacy, for example if I said “lions eat their own babies, it’s natural to eat babies so we should eat babies because it natural” that’s an appeal to nature fallacy. Nature has no bearing on what is or isn’t moral.

@JustRoberto I don't need animal meat to strictly be healthy, I need it to not be hungry similar to needs of billions and billions of other people. Also, there are health benefits in proper diet that does Incorporate meat. We are made and evolved that way that we can process meat intake. Why should we negate our bodies of needed nutrients just because there is idea that beings inferior to us feel "pain". Alternative is bad, if it was good it'd be practiced everywhere by now.

@JustRoberto killing is part of being an omnivore/carnivore. We were meant to kill because we were made to eat meat. Nature DOES want it that way. You can ignore the signs if you want, but you’re blind to to the truth that way

@JustRoberto killing is part of being an omnivore/carnivore. We were meant to kill because we were made to eat meat. Nature DOES want it that way. You can ignore the signs if you want, but you’re blind to to the truth that way

@shoobadoo123 nature doesn’t want anything, animals don’t just get a quick death, they suffer hugely before even being killed, 90-99% of global meat production comes from a factory farm. And how does killing an animal quickly make it justified when there’s a choice not to?

@shoobadoo123 nature doesn’t want anything, animals don’t just get a quick death, they suffer hugely before even being killed, 90-99% of global meat production comes from a factory farm. And how does killing an animal quickly make it justified when there’s a choice not to?

@Popular shows you don’t need to eat animals to be healthy so why would you want to harm them? Why is it dumb to point out that animals can suffer when there’s an alternative choice than inflicting suffering?

@Popular shows you don’t need to eat animals to be healthy so why would you want to harm them? Why is it dumb to point out that animals can suffer when there’s an alternative choice than inflicting suffering?

@JustRoberto Like we need to eat and like animals that we kill for food are way lower on an evolutionary scale than us. Like it is logical that in order to feed all the people in the world variety has to be there. <br>Points against killing animals for food are dumb and illogical. Only privileged and people with too much time on their hands can come up with stuff like "cHicKen, cOw and piG haVe FeeLinGs".

@JustRoberto Like we need to eat and like animals that we kill for food are way lower on an evolutionary scale than us. Like it is logical that in order to feed all the people in the world variety has to be there.
Points against killing animals for food are dumb and illogical. Only privileged and people with too much time on their hands can come up with stuff like "cHicKen, cOw and piG haVe FeeLinGs".

@JustRoberto the animals get a quick death. It’s not abuse. Also, people were made to eat meat. We’re omnivores. Nature WANTS us to eat meat.

@JustRoberto the animals get a quick death. It’s not abuse. Also, people were made to eat meat. We’re omnivores. Nature WANTS us to eat meat.

@mind E the animals get a quick death. It’s not abuse. Also, people were made to eat meat. We’re omnivores. Nature WANTS us to eat meat.

@mind E the animals get a quick death. It’s not abuse. Also, people were made to eat meat. We’re omnivores. Nature WANTS us to eat meat.

@Popular shows like we don’t need to harm animals, they can feel pain and suffer like we do. There’s an alternative, paying for these products is to pay for an animal to experience torture etc.

@Popular shows like we don’t need to harm animals, they can feel pain and suffer like we do. There’s an alternative, paying for these products is to pay for an animal to experience torture etc.

@773 Legend but it is uneccessarry because there is other options… it’s on necessary when there is no other option. I never asked if it was murder, I asked if it was a necessity, you realise it’s not a necessity because there is another option. Also what is the difference between humans and non humans which makes it justified morally when there’s an alternative choice?

@773 Legend but it is uneccessarry because there is other options… it’s on necessary when there is no other option. I never asked if it was murder, I asked if it was a necessity, you realise it’s not a necessity because there is another option. Also what is the difference between humans and non humans which makes it justified morally when there’s an alternative choice?

@773 Legend if there's other options then it is literally unecessary.

@773 Legend if there's other options then it is literally unecessary.

@JustRoberto no that wouldn’t be a necessity it would be a crime. Animals and humans aren’t the same. I don’t believe just cause there other options it makes eating animal wrong. My point was it’s not unnecessary harm and exploitative to have meat.

@JustRoberto no that wouldn’t be a necessity it would be a crime. Animals and humans aren’t the same. I don’t believe just cause there other options it makes eating animal wrong. My point was it’s not unnecessary harm and exploitative to have meat.

@JustRoberto   I don’t think solely culture morally justifies anything. I didn’t say culture justifies actions causing harm, I said culture doesn’t support harming of certain animals which is why as an American i wouldn’t support the slaughtering or dogs here as I explained above.

@JustRoberto   I don’t think solely culture morally justifies anything. I didn’t say culture justifies actions causing harm, I said culture doesn’t support harming of certain animals which is why as an American i wouldn’t support the slaughtering or dogs here as I explained above.

@773 Legend,<br>Wouldn't you then be commited to say slaughtering of dogs for meat and leather is not unnecessary nor exploitative where it's culturally accepted?

@773 Legend,
Wouldn't you then be commited to say slaughtering of dogs for meat and leather is not unnecessary nor exploitative where it's culturally accepted?

@773 Legend so if I made food and clothing from humans would that fall under the category of “necessity” even though we have alternative food and clothing choices.

Yes, is it a necessity for you to use animals for daily living?

@773 Legend so if I made food and clothing from humans would that fall under the category of “necessity” even though we have alternative food and clothing choices.

Yes, is it a necessity for you to use animals for daily living?

@JustRoberto  I mean u said unnecessary harm of an animal. To make food or clothing it wouldnt make it  “unnecessary harm” it be necessary to make food or clothing. But are you asking me it’s if necessary for ME personally to eat meat ?

@JustRoberto  I mean u said unnecessary harm of an animal. To make food or clothing it wouldnt make it  “unnecessary harm” it be necessary to make food or clothing. But are you asking me it’s if necessary for ME personally to eat meat ?

@773 Legend do you think culture morally justifies an action which causes harm to another?

Also is it necessary for you, you still haven’t answered.

@773 Legend do you think culture morally justifies an action which causes harm to another?

Also is it necessary for you, you still haven’t answered.

@Krwiomocz.Bogurodzicy Ⓥ I see where ur trying to go with this. In our culture dogs are seen as pets and companions so that would be extremely taboo. In other countries they eat dogs because that’s what they require for food or it’s common in their culture. In India for example they don’t believe they should eat cows. Different cultures have different norms regarding what animals are seen as pets/companions/sacred

@773 Legend,<br>Are you against slaughtering of dogs for meat and leather?

@773 Legend,
Are you against slaughtering of dogs for meat and leather?

I agree that David Ramms makes good points, which are often delivered in quite a witty and entertaining manner. You might be interested in the recent interview he had with Damien Mander, who is an ex special forces sniper and is now a vegan protecting wildlife in Africa from poaches. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFNKW5fSYz0

I agree that David Ramms makes good points, which are often delivered in quite a witty and entertaining manner. You might be interested in the recent interview he had with Damien Mander, who is an ex special forces sniper and is now a vegan protecting wildlife in Africa from poaches. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFNKW5fSYz0

He also did his own vegan prank (see the first video) :
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLIacjWbHUdUBqiFbeZ863gyEzD0iwuXtJ

He also did his own vegan prank (see the first video) :
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLIacjWbHUdUBqiFbeZ863gyEzD0iwuXtJ

@JustRoberto you’re right unnecessary harm and exploitation is wrong. I don’t think anyone would agree with that. R u trying to say any killing of animal to produce clothing or food is unnecessary and exploitative?

@JustRoberto you’re right unnecessary harm and exploitation is wrong. I don’t think anyone would agree with that. R u trying to say any killing of animal to produce clothing or food is unnecessary and exploitative?

@773 Legend there isn’t a single counter argument to justify uneccessarry harm and exploitation when there’s a choice not to.

@773 Legend there isn’t a single counter argument to justify uneccessarry harm and exploitation when there’s a choice not to.

He made some good points but jidion isn’t a debater so there wasn’t many good counter arguments lol

He made some good points but jidion isn’t a debater so there wasn’t many good counter arguments lol

Please be respectful and take veganism seriously. It's hardly even a choice when people become vegan. It is a paradigm shift, a change in perspective. We realized we were wrong in our actions and we had a moral obligation to live a different way. I can't go back on that even if I wanted to. Are you against animal abuse? Then you're already vegan at heart. Align your actions with your ethics, the only thing you'll regret is not doing it sooner. ✌


The amount of times he brought up "animals are shot in the head, and they're slit in the throat" 🤣🤣


Y is he actually good at arguing logically?😭


When veganism is a matter of animal "abuse", the argument falls apart completely for me. That is because "abuse" quite literally means to misused or mishandled. But if you're a Christian, then you believe God granted humans reign over animals (i.e. use them for food, etc.) so in your eyes, it would not be animal "abuse". There's no misuse, you are using animals as they were intended.

If we were giving these animals a good life & slaughtering them ethically, then your argument would be ok, but that’s not what we’re doing.

Bruh, “there’s no misuse” uhhhhhhh no there is… you are just ignorant and haven’t done your research… we are in Babylonian times these animals are mass tortured, they aren’t respected at all. Some of them never see the light of day their entire lives. What goes on with animal killing today goes very much again God.

Honestly, God gave us dominion over the animals, and in my opinion, we should use them for food and other animal products BUT, we need to be fair "rulers" and treat them with some respect in the process.

Yes in theory but in practice we have an industry that actually creates an artificial shortage to keep prices up thus overstocking product which eventually expire therefore creating waste, we never in history were able to produce so much food so efficiently yet over 30% ends up directly discarded into locked dumpsters to keep it from people in need to consume it.<br>Paradoxically the abundance of food (bad quality one) helped billions of people from starvation yet mortality rate hasn't decreased, instead people  die from diseases associated with obesity and unhealthy diets

Yes in theory but in practice we have an industry that actually creates an artificial shortage to keep prices up thus overstocking product which eventually expire therefore creating waste, we never in history were able to produce so much food so efficiently yet over 30% ends up directly discarded into locked dumpsters to keep it from people in need to consume it.
Paradoxically the abundance of food (bad quality one) helped billions of people from starvation yet mortality rate hasn't decreased, instead people  die from diseases associated with obesity and unhealthy diets


Lmao would’ve been jokes if JiDion was like “all animals go to heaven tho so it’s all good”


this dudes points were so good tho ngl 😭😭

this dudes points were so good tho ngl 😭😭

@Zentomaster youre all good, no need to apologize.

@Zentomaster youre all good, no need to apologize.

@Juh I'm not a vegan, and don't really subscribe to a lot of their viewpoints. Then again, I'm not versed in this debate anyway. I do agree with you; but I will say that my comment was never meant to be taken literally. I was just establishing our advancement in technology in creating vegan alternatives. I apologize for any confusion.

@Zentomaster you* don't live in times where animal slaughter is necessary. In the US theres 300 million people, a good percentage of ehich fall under the poverty line. And that's just the U.S, globally it's just a fact of life that slaughterhouses exist for our consumption. I understand the morality behind the vegan movement but it's being done in the wrong way, even if 100% of the U.S population went vegan, alond with 100% of the EU, there'd still be billions of people waiting to eat. Not to mention, if people were successful to even a quarter of these percentages than all it'd do is make life for the animals worse, as the business owners won't put as much money into the animals quality of life.<br>What should be done is instead a demand for regulation through law  and to instead raise awareness on certain companies and use cancel culture for that. Boycott specific comlanies, not your daily diet.

@Zentomaster you* don't live in times where animal slaughter is necessary. In the US theres 300 million people, a good percentage of ehich fall under the poverty line. And that's just the U.S, globally it's just a fact of life that slaughterhouses exist for our consumption. I understand the morality behind the vegan movement but it's being done in the wrong way, even if 100% of the U.S population went vegan, alond with 100% of the EU, there'd still be billions of people waiting to eat. Not to mention, if people were successful to even a quarter of these percentages than all it'd do is make life for the animals worse, as the business owners won't put as much money into the animals quality of life.
What should be done is instead a demand for regulation through law  and to instead raise awareness on certain companies and use cancel culture for that. Boycott specific comlanies, not your daily diet.

EliteAthlete15 although I dont like your argument, was being a bit of a liar. He said “animals are shot in the head and get their throats slit”<br>but in reality it is the most humane way possible and they dont feel a thing, and the throat is slit once its dead so its not like its still alive

EliteAthlete15 although I dont like your argument, was being a bit of a liar. He said “animals are shot in the head and get their throats slit”
but in reality it is the most humane way possible and they dont feel a thing, and the throat is slit once its dead so its not like its still alive

EliteAthlete15 but most are, unless you’re eating locally raised. But the point is we over consume meat and animal products as a society so the meat industry capitalizes on that by creating these massive disgusting slaughter houses. If we stop over consuming animal product then eventually these places will go away. We have an overpopulation of animals because of the slaughter houses anyways. It’s not healthy for our planet as well.

EliteAthlete15 you do realize that animals are bred and raised in terrible abusive conditions just to be slaughtered. It’s not natural what the meat industry does. They genetically modify animals and breed them with the purpose to live a short life in terrible conditions to be killed for consumption. It’s not a natural cycle.

EliteAthlete15 So you just contradicted yourself. You tell me not to discredit the bible and then go on to discredit the bible yourself by now following those that you preach about? You just wrote 2 paragraphs repeating the same thing, and not once did you bring up a source or actually address my message with a counter point, which makes me believe you're no older than 16. Nobody said Jesus wasn't real, moron. Lmao, I'm a Christian myself. My point is, meat eaters can't use the defense "animals were put on earth to be eaten, supported by the bible", and then go on to not acknowledge that same mentality with rape and enslaving people in the bible. Grow up.

EliteAthlete15 bro idk why my comment sounded so hostile but don’t take it the wrong way, I just disagree with you. It’s very important to talk about emotions on a discussion like this about whether something is ethical. Definitely if you’re also talking about whether or not he disrespected people, but also when you’re talking about veganism.

If you think animals dying in harsh ways (or whatever arguments he brought up) doesn’t matter, that’s fine. But if its a conversation about whats ethical, and jidion + the guy both agree that its fucked up, then there’s nothing wrong with that discussion. Even people who eat meat can agree that the conditions they live and die in is fucked up, thats why a lot of them make the argument “we’re not torturing them, its just one clean cut” and other similar stuff.

EliteAthlete15 I didn’t bring up babies to argue whether or not kicking babies is bad, I brought it up to point our that your definition for bad discussion is literally wrong. People liked your comment because they agree that they don’t care about what happens to animals, but your nonsense about “its an emotional argument” is stupid. How do you think laws are made? How do people decide what is right and what is wrong?

And this still doesn’t change the fact that when talking about if what he did is fucked up (which is the main purpose for their discussion in the first place) talking about emotions is very necessary.

But ignore that and start talking about how kicking babies is “clearly unethical” because you don’t want to accept the fact that your bs about emotional arguments makes no sense.

EliteAthlete15 There’s nothing wrong with an “emotional” argument if both people agree on that argument (that killing animals/torture/anything else he brought up is bad/unethical). If I go around kicking babies am I good because anyone who criticizes just emotional?

Also depends on the premise and there wasn’t one premise, they just discussed things. One main point was whether or not what jidion is fucked up/disrespectful and emotions are 100% important when you’re discussing that.

This comment really makes no sense lmao, its just a way for you to shove in your common talking point “killing animals isn’t bad because etc” which people can agree and disagree on, but that doesn’t mean he’s arguing badly because its emotional. If he and Jidion (not you) both agree that something is unethical then you go from there. I’m just repeating myself at this point because I don’t see how 76 people thought your comment made any logical sense.

@Ev3rly yes but you can still survive without it.

@Ev3rly yes but you can still survive without it.

@The Council you do realise spices comes from plants right, vegetables can also help change the flavour of the food + it also provides many other nutritions

@JoelJacobsFitness and you do? Lol stfu and go look it up.

@The Council you obviously know nothing lol

@The Council you obviously know nothing lol

@JoelJacobsFitness you don’t. I hope you’re the one joking

@JoelJacobsFitness and? We don’t need vegetables to survive

EliteAthlete15 don't most animals rape cause they want to ?

Yea I'm a meat eater but I don't think animals do what we do.

@D Chris I’m not vegan, but that argument isn’t good. What humans do to animals is the equivalent of a mass genocide. Obviously There’s no other animals killing other animals at the massive extent that we do.

EliteAthlete15 he was spittin about the bible being stupid tho

@guap k gang I’m finna be 100% wit u, Idc bout none of ts nomo if u vegan be that idgaf bout that shit bruh all Ik is I eat meat. My family hunts for dear meat we once raised pigs for pig meat and shit like that. Food is food regardless and food is a survival method, could we all stop eating meat and eat plants? Yes we could but not everyone wants to, that doesn’t mean we are wrong for eating meat. In science class you learn that plants live just like animals and humans, if that’s the case aren’t plants being grown by farmers in a controlled area similar to how animals are raised in a controlled area. Just cuz plants don’t make sounds doesn’t mean they don’t have any type of personality right? Cuz shit I don’t know if they do or don’t I’m just giving you scenarios so u can understand how wrong you are and how wrong I might be. Neither side is right so why do vegans try to overdo shit. Eat ur veggies in peace instead of trying to push that shit.

@Tony just realized how wrong it sounded lmao

@Tony just realized how wrong it sounded lmao

@Chaz Clemons You sound stupid. What do you think the circle of life is? Or the food cycle? The saying "animals are meant to be eaten" came from the bible and saying that people used to combat veganism. If we're using credits from the bible, the bible also says that rape is justifiable and okay. It also says that enslaving people is okay and that slaves should obey their master at all costs.

@Eddy Are you saying that forcibly breeding them and chopping their heads off isn't inhumane? Not to mention killing them if they are born the wrong gender. Does inhumane even apply to animals? Cycle of life.

EliteAthlete15 Imagine comparing us humans to wild animals. Shall we all just go back to caveman ways with your logic? We aren't cavemen anymore, we don't need meat to survive, other animals do. There is plenty of documentaries and scientific studies that show that eating meat is wrong and that the practices are in no way shape or form healthy for us other than you wanting to get "protein" from one thing out of millions. And this is coming from a meat eater, but atleast I can acknowledge this and admit to it. Force breeding, metal and other scraps that animals pick up during their lifetime and from factory/slaughter house workers being included in the meat we get and allowed through the FDA is not healthy at all. You're using a argument from the bible that "animals are meant to be eaten", slave owners used that same argument at a time and thought that black people were on earth to serve them and be used. You're not woke by blatantly using natural selection in the wrong manner either.

@boredom mfs also had slaves for thousands of years and believed in the stupidest shit and bro u said meat is meat gotta hold the pause after that

no he aint animals eat animals its how the world works plants feel too they develop defenses to stop themselves from gettin eaten etc n ion care about "we dont need to eat meat" we dont need to do 99% of the things we do as humans but we do ppl needa get over themselves

@Chaz Clemons most of them wouldn’t be alive without us. Animals like cows and pigs are so domesticated that they would be viciously killed by something else immediately if humans released them. So as long as it ain’t dying in an inhumane way, I don’t mind.

Without humans there’s a chance that some species can become overpopulated or underpopulated. Animals are meant to be eaten.

Except theres one thing that debunks all of his points. The food chain.

@boredom Be careful appealing to normality. Lots of things that we've done for thousands of years that are outdated.

I understand more of the vegan position. We don't live in times where we have to slaughter animals to eat. I'm not a vegan, however they do make compelling arguments if you want to look toward the future.

Most mammals are carnivores vegans are dumbs humans aren’t the only one eating other animals. If he came across a big ass tiger it’s gonna eat him not the pretty flower next to him

@JoelJacobsFitness nope we don’t we are omnivores tho

EliteAthlete15 i agree with you, i never saw the idea of animals shouldn't be killed for food as a valid argument because that's what humans have been doing for thousands of years, the only difference now is a lot of times animals are raised and killed in a more industrialized way. a lot of people have a problem with that but for me meat is meat lol

EliteAthlete15 oh and also its better getting killed fast rather than getting eaten alive by like 6 animals.

EliteAthlete15 we don’t need it to survive

EliteAthlete15 we don’t need it to survive

you should check out earthling ed, his videos are on point


The vegan guy was actually understanding and not just screaming at you. Kinda a w guy


both sides had good points and arguments ngl. also gotta respect how both sides took everything seriously without stirring the pot to something bigger and starting issues

@Veganix needless tho innocent tho

Food clothing medication etc doesn’t require justification and morality is subjective

@Veganix matching dietary needs of humans to continue life, is part of life. just like the regular food chain. just like humans, animals kill other animals in order to eat.

What’s your moral justification for needlessly killing innocent animals


Jidion knows what's up that's so awesome I never knew he liked the Bible 💯💯


I’m over here eating a all meat pizza while watching this 😂


Jodion: that’s what you believe and I respect it <br>*cooks meat in vegan restaraunt

Jodion: that’s what you believe and I respect it
*cooks meat in vegan restaraunt


bruh I would've laughed my ass off if you brought a cow upstairs because it won't go back down lol


Dababy? JiDion is not Dababy he's well respected and loved as always don't care what other says big love for ya man you always brings the entertainment in i love it keep it up man 😁👍👍👍


he said “it’s not needed” i believe otherwise 😂 everyone has to eat, it’s strictly for survival not for the brutality of animals 😂😂

He means it's not necessary to eat meat. You don't need to eat meat to survive.


This kid is an excellent communicator. Great self control and willingness to listen.


Vegan dude was pretty cool but he didn't understand that when Jidion was talking about belief he was not talking as if there wasn't animals being killed, he was actually saying that his(Jidion's) belief was that for him it isn't morally wrong to kill those animals for food.


That Finland guy is crazy, "Believe what i believe or you are evil!" lol


Actually Well Articulated, I Appreciate Him That Much More.


If only everyone in society was this civilised. I'm looking at YOU Tyrone! O_O

I 💗 Meat. Is good for me to eat. Weather land or sea, them brotha's are taesty.

WARNING ⚠ JESUS COMMANDS YOU TO REPENT OR PERISH!!!! YOUR SOUL IS ON THE LINE!!!!


Watching this while eating a burger this shits bussin


Got to see a different side of JiDion, keep up the good work bromo.


"The bible justifies slavery, ya know that right" was actually a fire comeback.

It was. I’m not even vegan but I don’t like how JiDion wasn’t listening to the guy’s point about modernizing the Bible.

He’s right, there are many things in the Bible that its followers do not follow literally. Its justification of slavery is a good example, but instead JiDion just goes “uuuuhh beliefs whatever”.

And slaughterhouses AREN’T in the Bible. The act of sacrificing a lamb is not comparable to the massive size cruelty slaughter houses commit. You guys realize there are humane ways to eat animals right? That is not was slaughter houses do, which is the problem.

It was. I’m not even vegan but I don’t like how JiDion wasn’t listening to the guy’s point about modernizing the Bible.

He’s right, there are many things in the Bible that its followers do not follow literally. Its justification of slavery is a good example, but instead JiDion just goes “uuuuhh beliefs whatever”.

And slaughterhouses AREN’T in the Bible. The act of sacrificing a lamb is not comparable to the massive size cruelty slaughter houses commit. You guys realize there are humane ways to eat animals right? That is not was slaughter houses do, *which is the problem.*

@Nightblood love a violent free life. Be vegan