Usual can’t stand vegans but this guy was actually a good sport about most of it so props to him

Usual can’t stand vegans but this guy was actually a good sport about most of it so props to him

@Cameron MacDonald you are literally why people and me dont like vegans at all. no need to push anything when you know its not going to change their opinion

@Cameron MacDonald you are literally why people and me dont like vegans at all. no need to push anything when you know its not going to change their opinion

@Moose Juice cause physiology they are mentally disturbed. It's kinda hard to put in words but it's not society to why we have empathy towards others and other emotions to others. So effecting that and feeling that empathy towards a victim. I mean it has a negative impact to a large feel. Usually causing severe trauma causes suicidal thoughts,emotionally damaged,PTSD and ect causing such things with little to no care is not a normal mental state and is very abnormal and mentally unstable. Having lack of empathy and willing to hurt someone for your own benefit is pretty  immoral in a mental state. I mean immoral equals bad and bad is pretty negative feeling. So causing alot of people negative feeling for no reason but for your own benefit is immoral. It's the best way for me to explain it. But then again I'm not that intelligent to try to say what I'm saying lol. But if you rape a kid in any society even the ones that welcome that type of shit it still has a negative impact on that person. If anything the child is confuse and may even try hiding it's trauma cause of the society who excepts it.

@CNgotham but why is “causing trauma for no reason” an “immoral action?” What makes it bad besides you just saying it is?

@CNgotham but why is “causing trauma for no reason” an “immoral action?” What makes it bad besides you just saying it is?

@Moose Juice it's different types of trauma. Trauma it's self isn't bad but causing it for no reason is a sign of immoral action. You can also see similar brain patterns and what not with these type of people. Like I said it's more complicated then saying making people sad or tramatize equals bad.  Also I'd say there trauma are completely different. Rapist are traumatized because they don't want to die while it's completely different for a rape victim. The reason isn't trauma it's self but rather the reasons or lack of reasons for raping someone. There really isn't a good justifying reason. However there is a good justifying reason to put the rapist in prison.

@CNgotham but why is raping someone wrong? Why should the rapist be punished. If the reason is trauma, then we go back to why is trauma bad and why is a rapist’s trauma justice?

@CNgotham but why is raping someone wrong? Why should the rapist be punished. If the reason is trauma, then we go back to why is trauma bad and why is a rapist’s trauma justice?

@Moose Juice a victim did nothing while a rapist yea know raped someone to end up in prison. Sure the prison system isn't the best but at the same time it's a punishment. I'd be very careful comparing a rape victim getting raped and a rapist who is in prison lol. At the end of the day trauma was forced onto the rape victim while the rapist made a horrible choice and will have to deal with the punishment.

@Moose Juice a victim did nothing while a rapist yea know raped someone to end up in prison. Sure the prison system isn't the best but at the same time it's a punishment. I'd be very careful comparing a rape victim getting raped and a rapist who is in prison lol. At the end of the day trauma was forced onto the rape victim while the rapist made a horrible choice and will have to deal with the punishment.

@CNgotham but imprisoning a rapist can make them traumatized too. What makes their trauma different from their victim’s? The government afflicts pain on the rapist just as the rapist does to a victim. Can you give me a reason why the government is justified and the rapist isn’t?

@CNgotham but imprisoning a rapist can make them traumatized too. What makes their trauma different from their victim’s? The government afflicts pain on the rapist just as the rapist does to a victim. Can you give me a reason why the government is justified and the rapist isn’t?

@Moose Juice not necessarily morales to some extent is religious and philosophy but some are heavily based on cause and affect. Like a rapist and a rape victim. After the awful act usually the victim is extremely traumatized and we can see that the rapist doesn't have the same mental state as a more morale person. Something like this is less of a debate and more of a observation. Same with serial killers as we and the affect to the families of the victims and their mental state. And no I'm not saying making people sad equal morale evil as obviously it's alot more then sadness.

@Cameron MacDonald right when you said your beliefs are backed up more moral and scientific is why people think vegans are annoying. As soon as you act all superior and so moral.

@Cameron MacDonald right when you said your beliefs are backed up more moral and scientific is why people think vegans are annoying. As soon as you act all superior and so moral.

I mean it's nice they he was wanting to convo but he did put a moral high ground to make him feel like he's a better person because he doesn't eat meat.

I mean it's nice they he was wanting to convo but he did put a moral high ground to make him feel like he's a better person because he doesn't eat meat.

No he wasn't he was salty the whole time and crying about his beliefs arguing the whole time

No he wasn't he was salty the whole time and crying about his beliefs arguing the whole time

@Cameron MacDonald being vegan for ecological reasons I totally respect that.  But being vegan because hurting an animal is cruel or whatever is just nature... we aren’t toying with our food like cats or orcas.

@Cameron MacDonald being vegan for ecological reasons I totally respect that.  But being vegan because hurting an animal is cruel or whatever is just nature... we aren’t toying with our food like cats or orcas.

@Stoner not at all he was sneak dissing the whole time

@Stoner not at all he was sneak dissing the whole time

@Deluded Fuyi he’s delusional but at least he’s pleasant

@Deluded Fuyi he’s delusional but at least he’s pleasant

@lol stfu what are you, 12? Lol.

You really owned em bro. Good on you. You’re damn tough 💪

@lol stfu what are you, 12? Lol.

You really owned em bro. Good on you. You’re damn tough 💪

@Cameron MacDonald “cheaper” also the animals are already dead when I’m eating it so it ain’t matter it going to someone else’s stomach anyways

@Cameron MacDonald “cheaper” also the animals are already dead when I’m eating it so it ain’t matter it going to someone else’s stomach anyways

@Jonathon Nichols I'm weird for not wanting to pay people to fist cows? You are hearing yourself right? That saturated fat is really clogging up your brain eh?

@Jonathon Nichols I'm weird for not wanting to pay people to fist cows? You are hearing yourself right? That saturated fat is really clogging up your brain eh?

@Cameron MacDonald how is the business of agriculture failing?😅 Are you ok?😅

@Cameron MacDonald how is the business of agriculture failing?😅 Are you ok?😅

@Cameron MacDonald vegan shit is expensive

@Cameron MacDonald vegan shit is expensive

@Soycrates see the thing is, black people aren't animals

@Soycrates see the thing is, black people aren't animals

@Cameron MacDonald no offense, but nobody gives a single fuck.

@Cameron MacDonald no offense, but nobody gives a single fuck.

@Soycrates don’t compare slavery to this shit. You wrong asl for that you weird. Can’t believe u had the nerve to say that shit it’s not even close

@Soycrates don’t compare slavery to this shit. You wrong asl for that you weird. Can’t believe u had the nerve to say that shit it’s not even close

@Cameron MacDonald I think that vegan teacher put a bad taste in people’s mouths. So that is the way people believe most vegans act

@Cameron MacDonald I think that vegan teacher put a bad taste in people’s mouths. So that is the way people believe most vegans act

@Cameron MacDonald I'm not vegan but i think you've persuaded me with your great points. Don't listen to these ignorant close minded folks. They're just sheltered and can't think for themselves so they end up ostracizing what they don't understand and call it 'weird'. I finally see why vegans 'force' their agenda onto others, for the greater sake and cause even if people will think they're crazy and make fun of them. Now that takes courage and i applaud you sir.<br>-random youtube comment reader

@Cameron MacDonald I'm not vegan but i think you've persuaded me with your great points. Don't listen to these ignorant close minded folks. They're just sheltered and can't think for themselves so they end up ostracizing what they don't understand and call it 'weird'. I finally see why vegans 'force' their agenda onto others, for the greater sake and cause even if people will think they're crazy and make fun of them. Now that takes courage and i applaud you sir.
-random youtube comment reader

@Soycrates bro why the fuck would you compare slavery to vegans???????

@Soycrates bro why the fuck would you compare slavery to vegans???????

@Cameron MacDonald why don’t you write a blog on a different website not YouTube comment section or even Twitter in fact I mean you seem really passionate for your statement I don’t think people care on YouTube as much as you do so you should try a different website Be a blogger or something

@Cameron MacDonald why don’t you write a blog on a different website not YouTube comment section or even Twitter in fact I mean you seem really passionate for your statement I don’t think people care on YouTube as much as you do so you should try a different website Be a blogger or something

@Matteo You’re the one that likes his own comment so leave it alone man

@Matteo You’re the one that likes his own comment so leave it alone man

@Moose Juice there’s no reason to write to this dude because he’s not gonna understand your point  he’s a vegan person he’s only going to think killing animals is wrong and Not that animals can over populate a city And can cause car crashes eating meat is not evil it’s good protein that’s what he should learn but he just doesn’t want to see that , that’s  on him

@Moose Juice there’s no reason to write to this dude because he’s not gonna understand your point  he’s a vegan person he’s only going to think killing animals is wrong and Not that animals can over populate a city And can cause car crashes eating meat is not evil it’s good protein that’s what he should learn but he just doesn’t want to see that , that’s  on him

@Cameron MacDonald mhm, ok. I don’t care, their animals, so are we, we eat them, its called the food chain. Get off your high horse, I dont care that your vegan, nobody else does, just stop talking to me about it, and I would recommend you stop talking to everyone else about it, your not trying to perused anyone, your trying to make people feel guilty for what they do, which fyi, nobody that eats meat or cheese, really gives a shit that your goal in life is to stop cows from getting fisted. I know a lot of vegans, its a very popular trend nowadays, your problem is that your weird, I dont care what you believe, your just weird, which im sure youve been told that before, and you can let the cow fisting and vegan shit go because it has nothing to do with that, your just weird. Im sorry we ever crossed paths, bye.

@Jonathon Nichols Yes cheese. Dairy is the most abusive form of animal agriculture. Everything I explained previously is what happens in the dairy industry. You can be as firm in your beliefs as you want, doesn't change the fact that you're paying for animals to be raped , tortured, have their babies taken away and then slaughtered. If you believe that's fine, thats okay, you have the right to believe what you want. But you can't deny facts when someone explains in detail about the industry you're directly supporting.

@Cameron MacDonald You have a problem with cheese too? I am firm in my BELIEFS, so no, we will never come to the same conclusion, and furthermore, I think you should genuinely take a step back, im not saying your wrong or right, and im not telling you what to believe, but your never going to change anyones mind talking like that.

@Cameron MacDonald You have a problem with cheese too? I am firm in my BELIEFS, so no, we will never come to the same conclusion, and furthermore, I think you should genuinely take a step back, im not saying your wrong or right, and im not telling you what to believe, but your never going to change anyones mind talking like that.

@Jonathon Nichols What's fucked up is that people like you support that industry. I don't understand how you think my head is "fucked up" when I'm just explaining what happens in animal agriculture. I haven't lied, I haven't embellished anything, I'm just stating exactly how it works. How can me explaining how it works be extreme, but when you buy cheese and support it, that's not extreme? I think you're the one with the f'd head buddy. Just a tiny bit of research and critical thinking and you'll come to the same conclusion as vegans. You sound more intelligent than most people in the YouTube comment section. I'm sure you can come to your senses and stop supporting such insane atrocities.

@Cameron MacDonald I genuinely don’t see any use in discussing this further with you, you are a very disturbed individual, which you will obviously deny, so dont expect another response from me because I genuinely cant tel if your trolling or your just that f’d in the head.

@Cameron MacDonald I genuinely don’t see any use in discussing this further with you, you are a very disturbed individual, which you will obviously deny, so dont expect another response from me because I genuinely cant tel if your trolling or your just that f’d in the head.

@Jonathon Nichols My beliefs have nothing to do with people raping animals. How do you think we create 70 billion new animals every to be slaughtered. We rape them. That's not a belief, that's an undisputable fact. Farmers jerk off bulls, they collect the semen, they then proceed to fist the cow all the way to their shoulder with a handful of bull semen. That's the literal definition of rape. And to top it off, when they give birth to a calf, they put a bullet in its head if its male, if it's a female it's destined for a life of rape. These aren't "extreme beliefs" buddy, this is what's actually happening. Whether you view raping a cow, jerking off a bull, slaughtering their children and sucking the milk out of their tits to be morally wrong is up to you.  But as a society, if we did that to any other animal, dogs, cats, other humans, we would think you're mentally ill and put you In jail.

@Cameron MacDonald You do realize the point your trying to prove about morality and ethicality cant be proven because thats your believe right. You cant scientifically prove your believe is moral or not, you dont even know whats really moral, its a construct, nobody does, morality and ethicality is something you hold to be true to you. So just stop trying to push your beliefs on everyone else, nobody cares, out of all the things to take a high ground on it seems very odd this is what your so passionate about, but im not gonna say your wrong because I don’t really know if its moral or not, nobody really does. You like to say a lot of extreme things though, like “were raping animals”, it just seems like you have no backing and try to prove your point by using lots of extremes, which doesnt help your case at all, it just makes you sounds crazy and delusional.

@lol stfu so you make a mockery of them in front of them dam you need so validation from daddy or something cuz your putting your insecurities to them lfmao

@lol stfu so you make a mockery of them in front of them dam you need so validation from daddy or something cuz your putting your insecurities to them lfmao

@Gerr M and did a animal tell you that himself or what ?

@Gerr M and did a animal tell you that himself or what ?

@lol stfu lmfao that's sorta insecurity on both parts lfmao

@lol stfu lmfao that's sorta insecurity on both parts lfmao

@Cameron MacDonald Well it's life, also how are you vegan and that's your last name lol

@Cameron MacDonald Well it's life, also how are you vegan and that's your last name lol

@Elijah Ezra You have a right to your own opinions but you don't have a right to your own facts. What you perceive as fact is propaganda. There is mountains of peer reviewed,  non industry funded scientific papers out there that prove everything I'm saying. I used to be an animal abuser such as yourself, but like everyone who can think logically and critically, I was presented with new information and changed my ways. Just because you want to keep eating meat doesn't mean science is wrong. You have the right to be be presented with new scientific information and not follow what it says. But that doesn't mean it's wrong. Here's a couple for you that are easy as a start. The China study and the blue zones research. I get where you're coming from, I truly do, I used to be an asshole like yourself. But the information is out there and it clearly states eating animals products is the most unhealthy and most environmentally damaging way to eat. These aren't hippie animal lover fairy tale opinions I have. It's scientific information that is available to everyone with an internet connection.

@Cameron MacDonald y’all don’t have science backing jack squat y’all just say some shit that everyone already new and doesn’t care like y’all will walk into a restaurant and y’all at someone for eating a burger that is stupid y’all don’t have logic y’all go on google and then stretch the truth to the best that you can to try and make people believe some bs that you red on Wikipedia

@Cameron MacDonald y’all don’t have science backing jack squat y’all just say some shit that everyone already new and doesn’t care like y’all will walk into a restaurant and y’all at someone for eating a burger that is stupid y’all don’t have logic y’all go on google and then stretch the truth to the best that you can to try and make people believe some bs that you red on Wikipedia

hes probably not gonna lash out on somebody whos live with over a 1000 people watching. By the points he was saying he sounds like an angry vegan anti meat person

hes probably not gonna lash out on somebody whos live with over a 1000 people watching. By the points he was saying he sounds like an angry vegan anti meat person

@Hunter Murphy Yes, but these animals wouldn't exist if we didn't rape them and keep breeding more of them. They wouldn't be getting attacked by Wolves in the wild because they wouldn't exist. <br>As for the only buying meat where you know it hasn't had a shit life, what do you think happens to them before hlthey get to your plate? Free range cows still go to the same slaughter house as factory farmed ones. Even free range cows are killed at about 18-20 months when they could live 20-25 years. Just that single point proves you haven't given them a good life. And is it better to take the life of an animal that's had a good life? Almost seems more cruel that way doesn't it? At least the animals in factory farms get to escape that horrible life through the slaughter house. The cow living a nice life in a pasture gets robbed of that life 20 years too early.

@Hunter Murphy Yes, but these animals wouldn't exist if we didn't rape them and keep breeding more of them. They wouldn't be getting attacked by Wolves in the wild because they wouldn't exist.
As for the only buying meat where you know it hasn't had a shit life, what do you think happens to them before hlthey get to your plate? Free range cows still go to the same slaughter house as factory farmed ones. Even free range cows are killed at about 18-20 months when they could live 20-25 years. Just that single point proves you haven't given them a good life. And is it better to take the life of an animal that's had a good life? Almost seems more cruel that way doesn't it? At least the animals in factory farms get to escape that horrible life through the slaughter house. The cow living a nice life in a pasture gets robbed of that life 20 years too early.

@Cameron MacDonald I agree with most of your points here bc yes the industry needs to be changed and that’s why I only buy meat where Ik it’s not had a shit life but if you were to let any of the animals we eat out they would all get killed worse then what we do

@Cameron MacDonald I agree with most of your points here bc yes the industry needs to be changed and that’s why I only buy meat where Ik it’s not had a shit life but if you were to let any of the animals we eat out they would all get killed worse then what we do

The only vegans I can stand are those that don't brag about it, don't it to other people and the shaolin monks

The only vegans I can stand are those that don't brag about it, don't it to other people and the shaolin monks

@Soycrates yes that's why there is death,  to end their pain. It is mercy.

@Soycrates yes that's why there is death,  to end their pain. It is mercy.

Schlex aye I’m<br>Going hunting tomorrow you wanna come

Schlex aye I’m
Going hunting tomorrow you wanna come

@Cameron MacDonald btw Tom Brady is not a vegan just did some research

@Cameron MacDonald btw Tom Brady is not a vegan just did some research

@Moose Juice ur the vegan people can’t stand cuz ur trying to convince people to stop eating meat. Leave it alone

@Moose Juice ur the vegan people can’t stand cuz ur trying to convince people to stop eating meat. Leave it alone

@Joe Hayes think of it this way tho. Animals kill and eat other animals. We as a human race are an animal. We are mammals. It’s part of the food chain. We kill and eat animals because we are animals and humans are omnivores. You guys don’t get mad when you hear that a lion ate a deer? It just blows my mind that people think it’s a such a bad thing the way it happens is but killing and eating an animal is not in humane or horrific as long as you do it quickly and painfully. It’s part of the food chain. We are animals too.

@Deluded Fuyi it's a hypothetical used to test for consistency.

@Deluded Fuyi it's a hypothetical used to test for consistency.

@Cameron MacDonald “animals have a brain”

Also chickens: pecks the ground for no reason

@Cameron MacDonald “animals have a brain”

Also chickens: *pecks the ground for no reason*

Adi The Niqqer yeah but dude took it to heart bruh it's not like he violated the restaurant

Adi The Niqqer yeah but dude took it to heart bruh it's not like he violated the restaurant

@Esteban Moreno he's not reasonable most ppl who argue about being vegan are emotional based animals are meant to be ate

@Esteban Moreno he's not reasonable most ppl who argue about being vegan are emotional based animals are meant to be ate

God bless you 🙏❤and loves you so much 🙏❤

God bless you 🙏❤and loves you so much 🙏❤

Schlex Forcing would mean I'm literally locking people up and making sure they only eat vegan food. Nobody on YouTube comments is doing that. Nobody is forcing anyone to do anything here as it's a screen and we can't force eachother to do anything with a screen. What I'm doing is stating facts, and then giving my opinion as to why I love the way I do based on facts. That's not forcing an opinion. That's what an intelligent person does when presented with objective peer reviewed science.<br>What meat eaters are doing is actually forcing their beliefs on vegans. I am FORCED to pay more taxes because of the hundreds of Billions of dollars that go to animal agriculture subsidies. I'm forced to stay out of public water because feedlot runoff has polluted the water, I'm forced to wait longer for healthcare because of the millions of people thatdie every year from eating animal fats and cholesterol. If anyone is actually forcing anything on someone else ismost Definitely meat eaters. And don't forget the 70 billion land animals and 2 trillion fish that you force your beliefs on when you pay for their horrific abuse and slaughter. I don't think you understand what you're talking about. Maybe look up the words force, to force, and forcing. Or the phrase "to force your beliefs onto others". Might be an eye opening experience for you.

Schlex Forcing would mean I'm literally locking people up and making sure they only eat vegan food. Nobody on YouTube comments is doing that. Nobody is forcing anyone to do anything here as it's a screen and we can't force eachother to do anything with a screen. What I'm doing is stating facts, and then giving my opinion as to why I love the way I do based on facts. That's not forcing an opinion. That's what an intelligent person does when presented with objective peer reviewed science.
What meat eaters are doing is actually forcing their beliefs on vegans. I am FORCED to pay more taxes because of the hundreds of Billions of dollars that go to animal agriculture subsidies. I'm forced to stay out of public water because feedlot runoff has polluted the water, I'm forced to wait longer for healthcare because of the millions of people thatdie every year from eating animal fats and cholesterol. If anyone is actually forcing anything on someone else ismost Definitely meat eaters. And don't forget the 70 billion land animals and 2 trillion fish that you force your beliefs on when you pay for their horrific abuse and slaughter. I don't think you understand what you're talking about. Maybe look up the words force, to force, and forcing. Or the phrase "to force your beliefs onto others". Might be an eye opening experience for you.

@Soycrates if he wants to eat meat, let him eat meat.

@Soycrates if he wants to eat meat, let him eat meat.

Bruh, where are the sane vegans bruh? Take me back to jubilee man. Those dudes in that debate were kinda based bro. And Normal!

I eat meat/seafood/Veggies/etc. because my fat ass love food. My whole family eat food because we enjoy food and have fun tasting different things.
No one gives a care in the world about what vegans eat because that’s them. They have different tastes. But when it gets turned around some vegans think we are the Main villains in a tragedy story. It’s insane bruh. Like Leave me alone. Don’t automatically judge someone as the worst person in the world just because I eat different foods

That’s the difference between Internet vegans and Normal Irl vegans. Becuz Normal irl vegans eat at these places and they don’t give a fuck
(By the way, this dude jidion needs to be stopped🤣)

@Joshua Chan Ah good one. 80% of the world's plants are fed to animals. So by your own logic, being vegan still kills less plants. Its a dumb argument anyways, but being vegan causes the least amount of harm. Being vegan is about minimizing harm when possible. Not completely eliminating it. Only meat eating retards could possibly think that vegans think they can live 100% without harm.

@Joshua Chan Ah good one. 80% of the world's plants are fed to animals. So by your own logic, being vegan still kills less plants. Its a dumb argument anyways, but being vegan causes the least amount of harm. Being vegan is about minimizing harm when possible. Not completely eliminating it. Only meat eating retards could possibly think that vegans think they can live 100% without harm.

@Cameron MacDonald animals can feel pain bro plants are alive yoo dont eat and starve

@Cameron MacDonald animals can feel pain bro plants are alive yoo dont eat and starve

@Cameron MacDonald you compare an animal life to humans okay. Let your house get infested dont kill the bugs. So animals are slaves I've seen enough of the 2 iq reasoning

@Cameron MacDonald you compare an animal life to humans okay. Let your house get infested dont kill the bugs. So animals are slaves I've seen enough of the 2 iq reasoning

@BBaccSoon whole lot of words yet nothing said clearly you don’t even know why u agree with him. Just a sheep

@BBaccSoon whole lot of words yet nothing said clearly you don’t even know why u agree with him. Just a sheep

@Garrison Oh no, I have thought about things like what he is saying for a long time now, so save me the condescension. He must of struck a nerve if you typed all that to me just for agreeing with him. None of your points are strong man. Like, the fact that you think comparing vegans to Nazis is in the same realm as comparing slaves to animals shows where your head is at. Don't point fingers and say a statement is stupid when you don't have a proper rebuttal.

@Garrison Oh no, I have thought about things like what he is saying for a long time now, so save me the condescension. He must of struck a nerve if you typed all that to me just for agreeing with him. None of your points are strong man. Like, the fact that you think comparing vegans to Nazis is in the same realm as comparing slaves to animals shows where your head is at. Don't point fingers and say a statement is stupid when you don't have a proper rebuttal.

@BBaccSoon he’s not. You are not thinking fully about what he is saying.

His point is, meat causes health problems when people eat too much of it, therefore we should abolish it

His other point is, it’s not right to kill an animal.

His first point is completely stupid. Just becuase someone chooses to eat too much meat doesn’t mean it needs to be abolished. They chose to do that. The meat itself did not “make” the person get diabetes

His second point is purely opinion based. Early this same guy said he thinks his dog is better than millions of people. So everything is based off of what he thinks?

@Cameron MacDonald you are completely wrong.

Animal meat can’t “make” people get diabetes. Animal meat can’t “do” anything. The only reason people get problems from meat is from their own actions.

Who are you to choose what’s best for someone else? If they chose to eat so much meat they get diabetes who does that mean abolish meat? Doesn’t that mean change their own thinking and actions?

@Cameron MacDonald you are completely wrong.

Animal meat can’t “make” people get diabetes. Animal meat can’t “do” anything. The only reason people get problems from meat is from their own actions.

Who are you to choose what’s best for someone else? If they chose to eat so much meat they get diabetes who does that mean abolish meat? Doesn’t that mean change their own thinking and actions?

@ॐ Boi doesn’t mean it the right thing tho.

Since I saw some vegans here comparing slaves to animals I’ll compare vegans to nazis. Nazis were taught there whole life torturing us bad, yet they didn’t listen to that and changed their mind to be fine with it.

@ॐ Boi doesn’t mean it the right thing tho.

Since I saw some vegans here comparing slaves to animals I’ll compare vegans to nazis. Nazis were taught there whole life torturing us bad, yet they didn’t listen to that and changed their mind to be fine with it.

@Soycrates well, for me, I have a moral standard. And that standard is God. And through God and his Word, I can know right and wrong. And he told all people once they left the ark that they could kill and eat animals, but in return, some would do the same to them. So yeah, that’s how it started.

What is the standard you use to base your morals off of.

@Soycrates well, for me, I have a moral standard. And that standard is God. And through God and his Word, I can know right and wrong. And he told all people once they left the ark that they could kill and eat animals, but in return, some would do the same to them. So yeah, that’s how it started.

What is the standard you use to base your morals off of.

@Moose Juice Yes, well done, I agree. That's besides the whole point though. Ethically/morally/philosophically how do you, personally, in your life, justify contributing to animal abuse through your lifestyle choices, i.e. consuming animal products?

@Moose Juice Yes, well done, I agree. That's besides the whole point though. Ethically/morally/philosophically how do you, personally, in your life, justify contributing to animal abuse through your lifestyle choices, i.e. consuming animal products?

@freddysanford what do you think farmed animals eat today? Most farmed animals are fed plant crops. Also we are breeding these animals into existence, as more people go vegan, fewer animals are bred into existence.

@freddysanford what do you think farmed animals eat today? Most farmed animals are fed plant crops. Also we are breeding these animals into existence, as more people go vegan, fewer animals are bred into existence.

@Cameron MacDonald  I’m flattered that you took the time to find the amounts of protein in a peanut to try to prove me wrong, but I’m afraid I could care less about that. 😂It was an exaggeration. And you and I both know I was trying to make a point that meat is an easier way to gain fat and protein than through plants.

I would much rather you take the time and explain to me how killing an animal is wrong. But you can’t seem to do that. You keep relating it to humans dying. We already finished that conversation.

And even if all meat in the world was a human killing parasite, then we could just solve the problem by throwing out the meat of animals we kill. We can just shoot all of those deer, and throw their bodies to rot in the sun. That way, no humans get harmed by MEAT.😱 So technically by your logic it would be perfectly fine.

But I feel like you don’t find that fine. I want you to be completely honest. I’m not angry or anything. I just want to understand vegans. I just want to know why you truly believe killing animals is one of the biggest problems in this world. But you haven’t given me any reason to believe this. You’ve just gave me more reason to watch what I eat. Thank you for that. Seriously.

Anyway, if you’re not going to explain where you base the immorality of killing animals (or anything really), then maybe we should just be done. I don’t like having heated, nasty arguments.

@Braden Duggan Yeah I used to eat meat like everyone else. I was severely obese and felt like shit. I feel great as a vegan. And all those athletes also ate meat. But they don't currently and haven't for years. Aside from Arnold, all those athletes have performed better than any other time in their careers after switching their diet. Brady has won almost all of his superbowls as a vegan. Also meat isn't essential. Nutrients, vitamins and minerals are essential. All of which you can get from plants. So if we can get them from plants please tell me why eating hormone and antibiotic filled animals is essential?

@Moose Juice I know why this argument is so hard to get across. "A steak" is an arbitrary number. Is it 4oz 72oz or even bigger? 500 peanuts would give you 250g of protein. That's an insane amount. Nobody needs that. You're just making up Random shit and hoping it makes sense.<br>You're right about the car thing though. Its does benefit us and that's why we keep doing it. Eating animals in no way benefits us. It just kills, causes disease and costs billions a year in subsidies. That money could be going to help people instead of helping mega factory farms become profitable. You know what those subsidies could pay for? A fucking deer fence for every single road in the country

@Moose Juice I know why this argument is so hard to get across. "A steak" is an arbitrary number. Is it 4oz 72oz or even bigger? 500 peanuts would give you 250g of protein. That's an insane amount. Nobody needs that. You're just making up Random shit and hoping it makes sense.
You're right about the car thing though. Its does benefit us and that's why we keep doing it. Eating animals in no way benefits us. It just kills, causes disease and costs billions a year in subsidies. That money could be going to help people instead of helping mega factory farms become profitable. You know what those subsidies could pay for? A fucking deer fence for every single road in the country

@zayguxpo We're in biblical times then where murdering your first born and raping your daughter like the old testament is okay?

@zayguxpo We're in biblical times then where murdering your first born and raping your daughter like the old testament is okay?

@Cameron MacDonald just ate a burger and that shit was good

@Cameron MacDonald just ate a burger and that shit was good

Adi The Niqqer bruh there’s  certain animals meant to be eatin without animals where would people back In the Christ times get food

Adi The Niqqer bruh there’s  certain animals meant to be eatin without animals where would people back In the Christ times get food

@Cameron MacDonald literally all of those people eat meat, especially Arnold in his prime. Meat is an essential part of the human diet. Like I said of course there is a balance, but both is needed. Maybe you should try to actually eat meat and see that it makes a difference.

@Cameron MacDonald literally all of those people eat meat, especially Arnold in his prime. Meat is an essential part of the human diet. Like I said of course there is a balance, but both is needed. Maybe you should try to actually eat meat and see that it makes a difference.

@Cameron MacDonald   I have no idea what you are talking about at the end. Deer are not human killing machines. They just cause car crashes A BUNCH. I know tons of folks who have almost died from a deer jumping in front of their car. Including myself. I can only imagine if there were hundreds of wild deer in one area.

Now, once again. Health of humans is not what we’re arguing. We are talking about the ethics of killing an animal. The only reason you explain it’s wrong is that some humans can get sick and die from meat.

Well, that is how food works. It kills people all the time. If you don’t prepare it right, if you don’t cook it right, if you aren’t watching what you eat. You can’t blame cookies for someone dying of obesity. You blame the person. It’s sad, but he’s the one stuffing himself. Don’t get me wrong, the meat industry probably still has issues, but if someone can’t control themselves, you can’t blame food.

Now, with that said, there are plenty of things that we do that kills MILLIONS of humans that all of us continue to do morally. For example, driving. Car accidents are a huge cause of death. I think an estimated 1.2 million people die a year. That’s around 3 thousand people dying DAILY because of cars. And sometimes it isn’t even the driver’s fault. Sometimes it’s a car malfunction.

But does this mean that driving is evil? Because it kills MILLIONS? No. We do it anyway because it overall benefits us. Am I more likely to kill myself or someone else by driving to work rather than walking? Yes. Am I going to walk? No. I’m not an evil person because of that. I just happen to realize that driving is more beneficial and that I’m probably not going to kill someone as long as I can control the car.

In the same way, does meat (just like plenty of other foods and things) kill MILLIONS of people? Yes. Does that mean that meat is evil? No. Meat is beneficial for me to gain the energy I need to do things. It fills my tummy. Could I rather gain that energy through other non meats? Yes. Could also get to work by bike? Yes. Do you see where I’m going?

I’m not going to ride my bike thirty minutes to work just because it’s safer and healthier. I’m going to take a ten minute car drive because it’s easier and more efficient. Might be more dangerous, but it ain’t evil.

I’m not going to eat 500 peanuts to gain the protein I can get in a steak. It ain’t evil.

Now, with that said, I think we can leave the “it kills humans” argument behind. Please tell me why killing ANIMALS is wrong.

@Cameron MacDonald You are on the ball and it's a shame that these people will not admit it because it's way easier to dunk on vegans online for likes.

@Cameron MacDonald You are on the ball and it's a shame that these people will not admit it because it's way easier to dunk on vegans online for likes.

@Braden Duggan Go check out Nimai Delgado, Novak Djokovic, Serena Williams, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Lewis Hamilton,  Tom Brady, who are all some of the world's best athletes who are all vegan and then tell me we need meat to keep our strength. If anyones claims are baseless it's yours buddy

@Braden Duggan Go check out Nimai Delgado, Novak Djokovic, Serena Williams, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Lewis Hamilton,  Tom Brady, who are all some of the world's best athletes who are all vegan and then tell me we need meat to keep our strength. If anyones claims are baseless it's yours buddy

@Moose Juice Because eating meat and any other animal products has a direct link to causing serious health issues in humans which kills millions per year. Do I need to explain how killing humans is wrong? Or is that an opinion as well? As for the over population issue. If humans have only been around for a very short period of the earth's history then why haven't deer overrun the earth and wiped out other species? As you say if it weren't for us killing them they'd over run the world right? So how does that make sense when we've only been here a miniscule amount of time?

@Cameron MacDonald I’m sorry, but you still fail to prove the immorality of killing and eating animals. You simply explained how meat is unhealthy for humans and how you think we shouldn’t eat it. The unhealthiness of meat to humans does not have anything to do with the morality of killing a deer.

Again, killing and preparing your own food is healthier than partaking in the meat industry. It’s cheaper, healthier, and actually helps the environment. For example, if there was nobody to regulate the amount of deer in some areas, they would over populate. Which would cause more and more car crashes. I’d rather a deer quickly die at the hand of a lethal firearm for the purpose of eating than for it to slowly die on the side of the road after it caused a family if humans to crash and die.

Now, once again, I am not asking about the health issues of meat. I am asking what is wrong with killing an animal? How exactly have you come to the conclusion that it is evil?

@Cameron MacDonald I don’t really understand how what I have just said gives the impression that I’m not smart but ok. If u want to throw these strange insults around that u have got from thin air then that’s fine, but again I was only asking if u wanted a maccies later, it’s a yes or no question

@Cameron MacDonald I don’t really understand how what I have just said gives the impression that I’m not smart but ok. If u want to throw these strange insults around that u have got from thin air then that’s fine, but again I was only asking if u wanted a maccies later, it’s a yes or no question

@Cameron MacDonald you can’t be serious? Have you ever went to the gym in your entire life? Humans literally need meet to keep their strength. Of course you need a balance between the two, but meet is a very good source of protein and the body needs iron, saturated fat and such. You also realize that cows need to be milked every day or they can die? Everything you are stating here, along with these dubious sources, is completely biased and false.

@Cameron MacDonald you can’t be serious? Have you ever went to the gym in your entire life? Humans literally need meet to keep their strength. Of course you need a balance between the two, but meet is a very good source of protein and the body needs iron, saturated fat and such. You also realize that cows need to be milked every day or they can die? Everything you are stating here, along with these dubious sources, is completely biased and false.

@Cameron MacDonald don’t know if ur on something but it wasn’t an argument I was just asking if u wanted a maccies

@Cameron MacDonald don’t know if ur on something but it wasn’t an argument I was just asking if u wanted a maccies

@Braden Duggan Definitely not healthier? You don't like science or reading do you? There's not a single study that show an animal based diet being healthier than a whole foods plant based diet. There isn't a single nutrient humans need that you can't get from plants. The only food on earth that isn't a complete protein is actually an animal product called gelatin.
We don't need meat, we need vitamins minerals and nutrients. What we don't need is massive amounts of saturated fat, heme iron, blood and puss that's in all milk, cholesterol, astronomical amounts of estrogen, and a plethora of antibiotics.
None of that is in plants. We also don't need the 54% of the worlds greenhouse gas emissions that come from animal agriculture. Like most other meat eaters, your opinions don't count as facts. You should do some actual research on the blue zones, the china study, learn about the Rip esselstein, go check out Nimai Delgado who's an incredible vegan bodybuilder, Dr.Greger, and countless others. You'll find that you've been lied to your whole life just like I did.

@Cinimod Such a solid argument man. I'm definitely not even vegan anymore.

@Cinimod Such a solid argument man. I'm definitely not even vegan anymore.

@Moose Juice But you're not living in the woods dying of starvation. In a survival situation almost all vegans would eat meat. But we don't live in that world anymore. We live in a world where we consume so much meat that half of the western world is diabetic. Yes that's half. Diabetes isn't caused by sugar like everyone thinks. Its caused by your cells being too full of fat that even vast amounts of insulin can't force anymore sugar into the cells. That fat is almost entirely from animal sources. The cholesterol in animals products is the leading cause of heart disease which is the number one killer in America and most other countries. Cholesterol is only found in animals products. So, even using your logic that humans are more important which is why we kill animals, (I don't fully agree as my dog is significantly better than most people these days) you're inadvertently killing tens of millions of people per year with heart disease and type 2 diabetes complications. Those aren't opinions. Those are facts.
Another fact is that animals products are making people obese. Yes other things play a role such as sugar and processed foods. But a whole food plant based diet has been shown in hundreds of studies to not only cure type 2 diabetes, yes you heard that right, flat out cure it within months. Again not an opinion. Just straight facts. That same diet can reduce your risk of dying from any cause by 73%. So while meat isn't the only thing making us fat and full of disease, it is the single biggest cause in the world. So by eating meat we are killing millions of people per year. We are also polluting the air which causes even more people to die. Animal agriculture emits 54% of total greenhouse gases. Millions die from pollution every year.
And another point about how eating meat is bad is that even lions don't rape animals just to produce more meat, they don't torture them their whole lives and they even kill their prey as quick as possible. If you've ever seen a lion kill a gazelle on Natgeo, they go for the neck first and try to snap the animals neck on the way down while also causing it to bleed out as quick as possible.
So yes , eating animals is wrong in every single way. Even if you don't agree with that opinion the fact is that by eating meat were killing millions of people per year too.

@Cameron MacDonald bro, Animals we’re sent to be ate if we don’t eat them they’ll eat each other type sht

@Cameron MacDonald bro, Animals we’re sent to be ate if we don’t eat them they’ll eat each other type sht

@Cameron MacDonald I’m gonna go for a maccies later u want one?

@Cameron MacDonald I’m gonna go for a maccies later u want one?

That’s crazy this comment really blew up

That’s crazy this comment really blew up

@Cameron MacDonald definitely not healthier lol, humans need meat. Just like predators do.

@Cameron MacDonald definitely not healthier lol, humans need meat. Just like predators do.

@Cameron MacDonald you bring up some valid points I cant even argue but why meat gotta taste so good

@Cameron MacDonald you bring up some valid points I cant even argue but why meat gotta taste so good

Vegans are typically reasonable.
It requires reevaluating everything to come to the conclusion to go vegan.
You have to do a lot of internal reasoning to change your mind from how you were raised and indoctrinated to think.

Vegans are typically reasonable.
It requires reevaluating everything to come to the conclusion to go vegan.
You have to do a lot of internal reasoning to change your mind from how you were raised and indoctrinated to think.

@Soycrates  My point was that you cannot scientifically prove a moral. You simply cannot. You can provide scientific evidence to backup your beliefs, but you cannot prove ANYTHING ethically through science.

Me answering your questions will not benefit the conversation because they only address mine and your opinions. I can answer them if you really want though.

The point is that morality is a purely philosophical and religious subject.

@Soycrates  My point was that you cannot scientifically prove a moral. You simply cannot. You can provide scientific evidence to backup your beliefs, but you cannot prove ANYTHING ethically through science.

Me answering your questions will not benefit the conversation because they only address mine and your opinions. I can answer them if you really want though.

The point is that morality is a purely philosophical and religious subject.

@Moose Juice Okay, I'm not sure what your point is exactly. Veganism is an ethical (or moral) stance against the exploitation of animals. Science is used to inform the objective logic behind the ethical stance. Did you address any of the questions in my previous reply?

@Moose Juice Okay, I'm not sure what your point is exactly. Veganism is an ethical (or moral) stance against the exploitation of animals. Science is used to inform the objective logic behind the ethical stance. Did you address any of the questions in my previous reply?

@Cameron MacDonald listen man, humans are more valuable than animals because we are humans too. And we are the most intelligent life form on this planet, we are not a cannibalistic species, if you care the same amount as animals or more than humans thats your problem, our goal is to expand into space, cant have our entire race wiped out because we attacked an alien that misgendered the ships captain

@Cameron MacDonald listen man, humans are more valuable than animals because we are humans too. And we are the most intelligent life form on this planet, we are not a cannibalistic species, if you care the same amount as animals or more than humans thats your problem, our goal is to expand into space, cant have our entire race wiped out because we attacked an alien that misgendered the ships captain

Adi The Niqqer yeah but no one shoots there animals just because when we end up eating the meat we could legit die from lead poison

Adi The Niqqer yeah but no one shoots there animals just because when we end up eating the meat we could legit die from lead poison

@Deluded Fuyi also the shot in the head stuff

@Deluded Fuyi also the shot in the head stuff

@Soycrates then if everyone becomes vegans what are the animals gonna eat? Meat?

@Soycrates then if everyone becomes vegans what are the animals gonna eat? Meat?

@Cameron MacDonald damn bro...

Still eat meat tho

@Cameron MacDonald damn bro...

Still eat meat tho

@Soycrates So I do not think there is a scientific way to justify anything. Morality is a purely philosophical and religious subject. You cannot look through a microscope and prove if something is right or wrong.

However, if you have a standard to base your morality off of, you can then make conclusions based on that objective standard. But if you do not have a standard, there is nothing to prove. You simply have your own opinion against others. And an opinion is not evidence.

@Soycrates So I do not think there is a scientific way to justify anything. Morality is a purely philosophical and religious subject. You cannot look through a microscope and prove if something is right or wrong.

However, if you have a standard to base your morality off of, you can then make conclusions based on that objective standard. But if you do not have a standard, there is nothing to prove. You simply have your own opinion against others. And an opinion is not evidence.

@Cameron MacDonald I just want to say, I’m not attacking you or your beliefs. I’m just wanting to understand and have a conversation. I apologize if I offended you.

I will say that I still disagree. By saying “it is just plain wrong,” you aren’t giving any reasons. You are just giving your opinion. I have no reason to agree with you if you just assert something. I’m not saying that to be rude, I seriously mean that.

I will agree with you that many of the ways they slaughter can be harmful to humans. However, that does not mean it is wrong. That is just what we as humans cause when doing this. There are probably better ways to solve this. Completely throwing out eating meat is not the solution. That would be like blaming the spoon that your fat. Your blaming the wrong thing.

I’m sorry, but none of what you said has anything to do with killing animals and eating their meat. The meat industry (as bad as it may be) is not the same as me shooting at cooking a deer. If I’m lost in the wilderness, I’m not going to let myself die from malnutrition because the meat industry sucks.

The science is that we can eat all sorts of meats. It provides protein, fat, and is extremely delicious. It produces nutrients for our bodies. That is why we eat it. It is simple science.

Again, I’m not trying to offend you, but there is nothing unscientific about humans eating meat. We have done it for thousands of years.

Your philosophical argument only applies to the meat industry which I agree should be changed. But again, there is nothing wrong with me shooting a deer and cooking it if I’m hungry. It’s cheaper than buying beef at Walmart, and doesn’t support the meat industry. If there is a reason it’s evil, I would like to know that reason and how you came to that conclusion.

@Flying Dove ProductionsNot sure what relevance the fact humans go to war has in justifying globally holocausting 70 billion land animals and 2 trillion sea animals each year in the name of taste pleasure, convenience or tradition? Two wrongs don't make a right.

@Flying Dove ProductionsNot sure what relevance the fact humans go to war has in justifying globally holocausting 70 billion land animals and 2 trillion sea animals each year in the name of taste pleasure, convenience or tradition? Two wrongs don't make a right.

@Moose Juice What is the specific trait difference between humans and non-human animals that justifies their needless slaughter? The same tribal mindset of objectification, dissociation and creating an 'other' based on arbitrary differences (i.e. species in this case) lended the same justifications that led to the slave trade, subjugation of women, the holocaust and any number of oppressive human endeavours. It is a speciesist outlook to justify killing one species and not another when individuals of either species both have the same desire to live, and capacity to feel pain and suffer. Just because we have the biological capacity to digest animal products, should we? Can you think of any other activities that we have the biological capacity for that are unethical?

In this age, most people in industrialized nations have access to an abundance of plant foods. Given this fact and a plant-based diet has been shown to be healthy, it is thus unnecessary to consume animal products. If it is unnecessary, the only reasons for continuing to consume animal products is for taste, tradition or convenience. What justification can we provide for needlessly subjugating and slaughtering an animal that has a desire to live and a capacity to feel pain and suffer? Do you value taste, tradition or convenience over life itself?

@Leilani Lucas Why do you think that? I'm not comparing black people to animals. I am highlighting the same justifications people gave for slavery are used to oppress non-human animals, i.e. it's normal, natural and necessary. Also, do you think farmed animals are free? Do they not have their freedoms taken away to be exploited for their bodies? Does that sound like slavery to you, just with a non-human victim?

@Leilani Lucas Why do you think that? I'm not comparing black people to animals. I am highlighting the same justifications people gave for slavery are used to oppress non-human animals, i.e. it's normal, natural and necessary. Also, do you think farmed animals are free? Do they not have their freedoms taken away to be exploited for their bodies? Does that sound like slavery to you, just with a non-human victim?

@Zillyshroomz Which protein in meat and cow's milk cannot be obtained from a plant-based source? Science says none.

@Zillyshroomz Which protein in meat and cow's milk cannot be obtained from a plant-based source? Science says none.

@Moose Juice Wow. I would assume someone who's going to write such a long reply would use facts and not opinion to prove a point. The reason animals feel pain is to help them avoid that situation. The fact that we force them into pain on daily basis is wrong. Regardless of your religion, person beliefs or even yourself who doesn't use facts or science. Its just plain wrong.
Also the lions eat meat is possibly the dumbest argument anyone could use. Firstly they are obligate carnivores and don't have a choice. They also eat their weakest children so only the strong survive, the rape eachother and smell each other's assholes when they greet. I hope you're not living like a lion. Because that's fucked up. And you must realize how incredibly stupid that is.
Also, being an omnivore means we can eat meat if we have to. But we absolutely don't have to. There is absolutely no need for 99.9999999% of the world to eat meat. Its damaging to the environment causing 54% of total GHG emissions, it's the biggest cause of heart disease and cancer (yes it beats smoking), it uses a ton of taxpayer money on subsidies and obviously it's incredibly cruel.
None of what I've just mentioned are opinions. They're all facts. The pollution and heart disease the meat industry causes is killing millions of humans. So as for the philosophical argument of we can kill them because they're not human, well... you're killing humans in the process too.

@Cameron MacDonald The problem is that science has nothing to do with morality. Morality is a philosophical and religious subject, not a scientific.

Nazis feel pain and suffering. Does that mean we shouldn’t kill them? No. Just because something feels does not mean they should never be killed. It depends on the circumstances.

As for animals, while they haven’t killed millions of Jews, it’s still not wrong to kill them just because they can feel.

They are not people. They are a different species. It would be one thing to eat a human. But just as a lion eats a gazelle, we eat other animals.

We are omnivores. We are designed to eat meat and plants. It is SCIENCE that we eat meat. Our bodies naturally desire and can eat it. The morality behind it is another conversation, but scientifically, we are natural predators. Just as we have natural predators, we are natural predators.

Now, killing your dog or torturing an innocent animal is wrong, but understand we do not have the same relationship with them as we do people. We have dominance over pigs. We don’t have relationships with them. You can, but they don’t return it. They are separate from us.

Now, potbelly pigs were actually bred by us. They cannot survive out in nature. If we allow them to live on, we cannot just feed them and take care of thousands and thousands of pigs. We would lose money and people would starve. They belong to us. It sounds bad, but they are not allowed or even able to take care of their own lives. Wild animals are different in ways, but you must understand the relationship between humans and animals.

They are not the same as us. They do not love. They do not hate. They do not laugh. They walk, eat, sleep, poop, kill, and die. Some are more intelligent, but they are all the same.

Again, the science doesn’t say anything about right or wrong. If you want to talk about the philosophical morality about it, we can. But the science is that we are natural predators. It doesn’t matter if they can feel or not.

@Moose Juice because science tells us animals have a brain and nervous system and can experience pain and suffering the same as us. Science also tells us pigs have the same mental capacity as a 4 year old human, meaning they can experience the same emotions humans do. So knowing they can experience pain, suffering, fear, anxiety, we know for a fact that it's a horrific practice.

@Moose Juice because science tells us animals have a brain and nervous system and can experience pain and suffering the same as us. Science also tells us pigs have the same mental capacity as a 4 year old human, meaning they can experience the same emotions humans do. So knowing they can experience pain, suffering, fear, anxiety, we know for a fact that it's a horrific practice.

@Cameron MacDonald I’m not trying to be a smart Alec, but you said science backs up the fact that eating animals is horrific. How exactly does science prove that? Just asking

@Cameron MacDonald I’m not trying to be a smart Alec, but you said science backs up the fact that eating animals is horrific. How exactly does science prove that? Just asking

@Soycrates don't compare animals to slaves, are you fr comparing black folks to animals?

@Soycrates don't compare animals to slaves, are you fr comparing black folks to animals?

@Cameron MacDonald you eat my foods food.

@Cameron MacDonald you eat my foods food.

@Cameron MacDonald only being vegan ain’t healthy btw u need proper proteins from meat and milk and other animal by products js letting u know

@Cameron MacDonald only being vegan ain’t healthy btw u need proper proteins from meat and milk and other animal by products js letting u know

@Cameron MacDonald I'd have to write a persuasive essay to combat your points, including sources from universities and labs. Also, there's no need to be mean, so stop calling people idiots for having a different point of view. I wouldn't call a member of another religion an idiot for believing in a different god/gods no matter how wrong I thought they were. I'm not against or for veganism. You know what, if I decide to do a ton of research and dump my time and energy into this, I'll even look into the devil's advocate of this scenario. Plus remember, this is a friendly debate, so don't take it too seriously :) I'm just a guy on the internet

@Soycrates We actually do this on the day-to-day basis. Have you ever heard of war? Humans will kill anything to benefit themselves. To claim just a bit of territory, not even to get one step closer to immortality, we will willingly kill each other.

@Soycrates We actually do this on the day-to-day basis. Have you ever heard of war? Humans will kill anything to benefit themselves. To claim just a bit of territory, not even to get one step closer to immortality, we will willingly kill each other.

I'm not vegan but ngl they have a point. It's just the loud minority that drags people away from it

I'm not vegan but ngl they have a point. It's just the loud minority that drags people away from it

@Flying Dove Productions What specific trait difference between non-human animals and humans justifies killing them for our benefit? Would we be okay with torturing and killing other humans if they could benefit us in medical research?

@Flying Dove Productions What specific trait difference between non-human animals and humans justifies killing them for our benefit? Would we be okay with torturing and killing other humans if they could benefit us in medical research?

@Gerr M what relevance does having a soul have in terms of a being's capacity to feel pain and suffer? Can we not use any arbitrary difference to justify treating another differently? If your God is compassionate and benevolent why would he have given animals the capacity to feel pain and suffer if they were meant to be mutilated and slaughtered?

@Gerr M what relevance does having a soul have in terms of a being's capacity to feel pain and suffer? Can we not use any arbitrary difference to justify treating another differently? If your God is compassionate and benevolent why would he have given animals the capacity to feel pain and suffer if they were meant to be mutilated and slaughtered?

Wee Fap why do you think that? I'm not saying animals and humans are equal. I am highlighting the same justifications people gave for slavery are used to oppress non-human animals, i.e. it's normal, natural and necessary. Also, do you think farmed animals are free? Do they not have their freedoms taken away to be exploited for their bodies? Does that sound like slavery to you, just with a non-human victim?

Wee Fap why do you think that? I'm not saying animals and humans are equal. I am highlighting the same justifications people gave for slavery are used to oppress non-human animals, i.e. it's normal, natural and necessary. Also, do you think farmed animals are free? Do they not have their freedoms taken away to be exploited for their bodies? Does that sound like slavery to you, just with a non-human victim?

Wee Fap don't be an idiot. The animal agriculture industry is exactly like slavery. In fact it's even worse. Its like slavery with concentration camps and more torture involved. Atleast a lot of slaves survived it. Not a single animal survives the meat industry. You can choose to look at the similarities and see how fucked up it is, or you can be offended because you can't comprehend the difference between comparing two horrific industries and flat out saying black people  are animals. Nobody said that but that's what you heard and got offended anyways

@Cameron MacDonald people don’t pay for animal agriculture they are their own companies

@Cameron MacDonald people don’t pay for animal agriculture they are their own companies

@Flying Dove Productions That has absolutely nothing to do with anything I was talking about. Firstly, if we need to sacrifice a few bugs to save some lives, I'm okay with that. Secondly, my understanding of science is quite a bit deeper than yours. You still seem to confuse opinion and science. And I have no idea what you're talking about with animals being sacrificed to save 9-11 victims. Trained dogs helping first responders find people under the rubble of a building has nothing to do with sacrificing those dogs. Service animals and support animals are a completely different topic than animal agriculture. <br>And lastly, there's not a single valuable medicine we have today that comes from killing an animal. We do use dead animals for some things because there's an abundance of waste from that industry but we don't need to. There are plenty of other ways to get those compounds. And if you're talking about using animals in research, 96% of drugs tested on animals don't even make it past the first trial. So just like eating animals, testing on them to potentially save human lives is cruel, pointless, and has absolutely no benefit for the population.

@Flying Dove Productions That has absolutely nothing to do with anything I was talking about. Firstly, if we need to sacrifice a few bugs to save some lives, I'm okay with that. Secondly, my understanding of science is quite a bit deeper than yours. You still seem to confuse opinion and science. And I have no idea what you're talking about with animals being sacrificed to save 9-11 victims. Trained dogs helping first responders find people under the rubble of a building has nothing to do with sacrificing those dogs. Service animals and support animals are a completely different topic than animal agriculture.
And lastly, there's not a single valuable medicine we have today that comes from killing an animal. We do use dead animals for some things because there's an abundance of waste from that industry but we don't need to. There are plenty of other ways to get those compounds. And if you're talking about using animals in research, 96% of drugs tested on animals don't even make it past the first trial. So just like eating animals, testing on them to potentially save human lives is cruel, pointless, and has absolutely no benefit for the population.

Animals don't have a soul they have no feelings they are here for humans what ever we want to do to them.

Animals don't have a soul they have no feelings they are here for humans what ever we want to do to them.

@Cameron MacDonald Maybe check again on your undertanding of science, pal. Do you know how many lives the deaths of other animals/insects saves? A frick-ton!! For example, a lot of valuable medicins are made with products that come from slaughtered animals, plus scientists have found ways to manipulate the minds of insects to scout out lost people under the debris of crumbled buildings. This epecially comes into play with instances like 9-11. Those animals have lost their lives to save yours! Basically, the deaths of animals are kept in the back of our mind and are repected. I, and I hope you do too, apprieciate that that animal died to make sure I could live another day.

@One Punch Man The real force is what happens to animals in slaughter houses! Because of our life choices! Try not to look away with your eyes, what animals endure with their bodies. Veganism isn’t a diet choice, it’s a social justice movement.

@One Punch Man The real force is what happens to animals in slaughter houses! Because of our life choices! Try not to look away with your eyes, what animals endure with their bodies. Veganism isn’t a diet choice, it’s a social justice movement.

Adi The Niqqer That's sad you don't care bro. This is like if we were living back in the 1800s, and people were like "are black people slaves? Yes. Do I give a single fuck? No. I'm still gonna get me my cotton jammies after this"

Adi The Niqqer That's sad you don't care bro. This is like if we were living back in the 1800s, and people were like "are black people slaves? Yes. Do I give a single fuck? No. I'm still gonna get me my cotton jammies after this"

@Cameron MacDonald there’s a thread that explains what he’s talking about. it’s just vegans forcing their beliefs on people

@Cameron MacDonald there’s a thread that explains what he’s talking about. it’s just vegans forcing their beliefs on people

Most of us vegans are rational. What makes you say you usually can't stand vegans? Is it because we have morals and science to back up the fact that eating animals is horrific and unnecessary, the leading cause of all top 10 causes of death, and the single biggest cause of climate change? Or is it because you think we are forcing our kinder, cheaper and healthier lifestyle on you even though people who eat meat are forcing their lifestyle on us daily? Billions of dollars per year go to animal agriculture subsidies. That's my tax money that pays for that. If you want to talk about forcing a way of life on someone, forcing everyone to pay for the failing business of animal agriculture takes the cake.

me and my homeboys ate a bunch of McDonald's burger and chicken in front of their crying faces. Such a satisfying experience

me and my homeboys ate a bunch of McDonald's burger and chicken in front of their crying faces. Such a satisfying experience

Adi The Niqqer facts I’m not saying he changed my mind he’s just a lot more reasonable than most vegans

Adi The Niqqer facts I’m not saying he changed my mind he’s just a lot more reasonable than most vegans

@Deluded Fuyi “slit their throats, shot in the head”

@Deluded Fuyi “slit their throats, shot in the head”

nah he was being delusional talking about half humans and killing them and shit

nah he was being delusional talking about half humans and killing them and shit


Jidion was real close to pointing out that because one person believes they have the moral high ground, doesnt mean they're untouchable


Dang, JiDion really stood his ground. This was a cool video. I’m really glad to hear you believe in the Bible; makes me happy.


as an exvegan i LOVED this video. the perfect blend of humor and logic ur amazing at articulating the flaws behind veganism and its logic

He didn't find any flaws though... We can have a discussion if you'd like.


Jidion speaking facts here. Respect each other's opinions.


shoutout to him for being a good sport and having a civil discussion


Ngl Jidion is actually smart, he is the type of guy that would rather to be the fun guy over the smartass while he has the ability of being any of them.

Ngl Jidion is actually smart, he is the type of guy that would rather to be the fun guy over the smartass while he has the ability of being any of them.

@Samuel Cho That doesn't mean that Jidion is smart, that means that he's ignorant and is using personal beliefs in argumenting which is aalways a bad point

@Samuel Cho That doesn't mean that Jidion is smart, that means that he's ignorant and is using personal beliefs in argumenting which is aalways a bad point

@Sain♱ Nowadays religion doesn't really affect the world in terms of country on country. It's mostly some organisation in the world but it's not that many of them. In history religion was one of the major reason why many countries were separated and hated each other

Not really. When they talked about religion his points were kinda dumb. He was saying "you want me to go against my religion" when Jidion is a terrible christian by looking at all the shit he's done. I mean I like Jidion but you can fool some part of your fanbase by making yourself look like you did well, but you can't food people who actually know what good debating is

@Hansel Carmona are you sped? We need meat to live most of the worlds population of humans eat meat and half of them need meat and animals eat other animals to make more animals

@Samuel Cho <br>That's called arguing in bad faith. Means you never had a solid foundation in the first place.

@Samuel Cho
That's called arguing in bad faith. Means you never had a solid foundation in the first place.

@Hansel Carmona bro why did i just read so many comments.. but wanted to say that yours were well-said and im worried that there are so many people disagreeing...

@Cameron MacDonald You didn’t get the point, he brought up religion because David talked about the “objective truth” when in the end, both David and Jidion have subjective moralities (as all humans), one comes from a lifestyle and the other from a religion and both have validity which is why they didn’t bicker about it.

Also you not believing in something doesn’t make it fictional.

@C BR Yeah, and he brought up religion as a argument that says hes suppose to eat meat. The bible also says that he is suppose to be enslaved, and says rape is justifiable and is okay.

@David I love Jidion but it was not a good argument at all lmao. He basically just went "you do you and I'll do me" the entire time and ignored whatever the vegan dude said

@Hansel Carmona Fucking simple lmao 😂, You need proteins.

@Hansel Carmona Fucking simple lmao 😂, You need proteins.

@Cameron MacDonald don’t cry bro it’s just a comment plus I’m not gonna waste my time arguing on the internet with people that don’t have anything good to do with their lives, anyways since you brought up the topic of burgers I’m gonna go order one thank you.

@Samuel Cho So if you can't be net Zero emmisions then don't try at all? That's an even less intelligent argument than your previous ones. Going vegan alone can reduce a person's emmisions by nearly 60%. Yes that's right. 60%. So you could fly all you want, race as many cars and motorcycles as you want, hell, even use plastic straws and disposable water bottles, and the world could actually handle that if you just stopped eating meat. The earth can handle some amount of emmisions. So we don't need to be perfect. We just need to be vegan.
Also veganism isn't a belief system, it is an ethical way of life based on facts.
*Animals feel pain- FACT
* Animal Agriculture is destroying the earth and costing trillions in subsidies and health care
Costs- FACT
*Plant based diet are
healthier- FACT
*Plant based diet are cheaper- FACT
*We don't need to eat meat in today's world ( yes a very, very, very small part of the world needs a little bit to survive but it's less than .00001%) - FACT
*Eating meat is the leading cause of cardiovascular disease and cancer -FACT
*Raping to breed( yes we have to rape then into existence), torturing , and then slaughtering an animal is cruel, horrific and unnecessary- FACT

@Hansel Carmona David Ramms has the whole hour long video on his YouTube page. Its a great video. He talks very intelligently and raises some great points. He shows an incredible amount of restraint especially when Jidions only counter argument is            "the Bible?"

How can you think someone is smart when they try and justify their morals with a fictional religious book?  He couldn't even understand that he's literally paying people to rape, torture and slaughter animals when he buys a burger. Doesn't take a genius to connect the dots there.

@Samuel Cho It’s not leading into other things because these are all part of the issue and reason why people go vegan. You just don’t have any more counter arguments bcs they were all stupid 🤦🏻♂

@Hansel Carmona Ok, now you're getting into other issues, like overpopulation, not enough food, something I have been thinking about myself...would you propose a..."Noah's flood?" But that's another topic...
Oh and bringing up religion is still just an example of a perspective or opinion about morals.
Anyways, I think I'm done debating because it's leading into other things, and I think I'll leave it at here.

@Samuel Cho Why do u keep comparing being vegan to religion 😐. I already explained to you why they aren’t the same. One is a dietary choice that is made to prevent events that we KNOW are true and are facts. The other is just faith in something you have no tangible proof of. Anyways, how do you suppose someone would actively try to force a company or industry into bankruptcy? By boycotting them. How do you do this to the animal agriculture industry? By going vegan and not giving them your money to continue practicing animal cruelty and destroying the environment. You’re honestly so naive. Everyone switching to being hunters isn’t sustainable and would still cause environmental harm. There are too many people and too little animals in the U.S. for it to actually work. We would end up many species of animals to extinction has already happened in the U.S and is the reason why hunting restrictions exist today. In order to accommodate so many more hunters, daily bag limits would have to be drastically cut and hunting seasons would become much much MUCH shorter.

@Hansel Carmona Well, like I said, the vast majority of non-vegans, going back to the religion analogy, like non-religious people think you're trying to force another belief down their throats, which no one likes. That's where the misunderstanding comes into play. However, the solution to this problem would not be to stop eating meat, like vegans shout at the top of their lungs, but rather, stop the current way of eating meat. The reason why people think you're against meat isn't because it harms the environment or the animals, because you don't actively try to stop those things. You just stop eating meat (which I guess is stop supporting them, but that confuses your cause.) You would probably be pushing for people to start hunting meat on their own then. No animal killing factory. And no environmental harm.

@Samuel Cho yes… was it that difficult to understand??

@Samuel Cho yes… was it that difficult to understand??

@Hansel Carmona I'm just trying to understand <i>your</i> point. So you're only against eating meat, because of the way its processed. It inflicts pain onto the animals, but more importantly harms the environment. So does that mean you would be fine with a wild hunter out there idk, naturally hunting and eating that meat. Because I think the vast majority of non-vegans think vegans are extreme animal lovers, therefore don't want to eat them. When in reality, as you've detailed the are other reasons? Is that your point?

@Hansel Carmona I'm just trying to understand _your_ point. So you're only against eating meat, because of the way its processed. It inflicts pain onto the animals, but more importantly harms the environment. So does that mean you would be fine with a wild hunter out there idk, naturally hunting and eating that meat. Because I think the vast majority of non-vegans think vegans are extreme animal lovers, therefore don't want to eat them. When in reality, as you've detailed the are other reasons? Is that your point?

@Samuel Cho no my family does not drive a gasoline car. Regardless, that is besides the point. Going vegan is the most efficient way to reduce your carbon footprint. The goal is to reduce not completely eliminate. It’s very difficult to get through day to day life without a phone or transportation. We NEED these things to succeed in society. However, we don’t NEED to be eating meat when there are alternatives that achieve the same ultimate goal which is having proper nutrition. All your other points make me wonder if you even know what you’re arguing. Clearly you agree with me on the climate change issue and you agree that meat should be ethically sourced. So please clarify as to what your point is because I am genuinely confused.

@Hansel Carmona No, not every religion, just bringing up an example of a belief system you may not necessarily believe in...like veganism. Now, the environmental issue with meat, I will not argue with you on, because I'm actually very passionate on the issue of climate change, myself. There's no question there that the meat industry is pumping out tons of CO2 with livestock. However, you're kind of shifting arguments. Since you're arguing that the way meat is produced and consumed hurts the environment, along with the animals...currently...you're not against actually eating meat, just the manner of getting that meat? Meaning, a tribal man who hunts game on the plains for food you would be fine with? In that case, I would agree with you...along with half the other things our modern industrial world relies on these days. We humans are doing a ton of harm to the environment and ourselves in almost everything we do. But that also says, if you decide to stop eating meat due to its environmental footprint and other reasons, are you also not driving a gasoline car? Do you not litter and try to recycle? I'm sure the very device you're using rn to text back is harming the environment in some way (because I know I am). You cant say you're doing this because of <b>this</b> and then completely negate that thing in everything else you do.

@Hansel Carmona No, not every religion, just bringing up an example of a belief system you may not necessarily believe in...like veganism. Now, the environmental issue with meat, I will not argue with you on, because I'm actually very passionate on the issue of climate change, myself. There's no question there that the meat industry is pumping out tons of CO2 with livestock. However, you're kind of shifting arguments. Since you're arguing that the way meat is produced and consumed hurts the environment, along with the animals...currently...you're not against actually eating meat, just the manner of getting that meat? Meaning, a tribal man who hunts game on the plains for food you would be fine with? In that case, I would agree with you...along with half the other things our modern industrial world relies on these days. We humans are doing a ton of harm to the environment and ourselves in almost everything we do. But that also says, if you decide to stop eating meat due to its environmental footprint and other reasons, are you also not driving a gasoline car? Do you not litter and try to recycle? I'm sure the very device you're using rn to text back is harming the environment in some way (because I know I am). You cant say you're doing this because of *this* and then completely negate that thing in everything else you do.

@spigwender  I never said religion doesn’t affect the world. I said that choosing not to be religious has no affect on anyone else other than yourself. I am not religious yet I have morals. Therefore what you’re saying doesn’t really apply in the society we live in where we are born in a world with pre-established morals that the majority of people follow. Furthermore, I outright disagree with your statement stating that morals come from religion. Why? Because  animals have moral compasses yet they don’t practice religions. Which only further backs my argument.

@Hansel Carmona religion does affect the world. human morals come from religion, laws come from our morals. stop denying the truth.

@Hansel Carmona religion does affect the world. human morals come from religion, laws come from our morals. stop denying the truth.

@Samuel Cho bro read what u just said again. 😐 that’s the stupidest shit I’ve ever heard. You want me to believe in EVERY RELIGION so that I’m not disrespectful 😑. You’re giving Jidion so much more credit than he acc deserves lmao. “Masterful trap” 😐. The entire planet is hurt by someone’s decision to eat meat. Literally all u have to search up is “livestock and climate change” on google and you’ll find a long string of facts that directly connect climate change to farming animals. For example, raising livestock is responsible for 14.5 percent of greenhouse gas emission. What’s cruel isn’t eating the animals. It’s the way they’re killed. In cold blood without any anesthesia or anything. It is a FACT that cows actually cry when they hear the screams of other cows being MURDERED and know that they are next.

@Hansel Carmona It's a matter of morality isn't it? Whats "cruel" and what's not? What you believe (believe) to be cruel isn't the same for everyone else. That's also being a bit disrespectful to say that no one is hurt when you don't believe in a religion. That's saying the religion is fake and it doesn't provide any moral guides. You're falling into the exact masterful trap Jidion created. And who might be hurt by someone else's choice to eat meat? This doesn't change that veganism is a belief system that eating animals is "cruel" just as how any other religion is a belief system that you can't force upon others because there is no "right or wrong." All on what you believe.

@Hansel Carmona It's a matter of morality isn't it? Whats "cruel" and what's not? What _you_ _believe_ (believe) to be cruel isn't the same for everyone else. That's also being a bit disrespectful to say that no one is hurt when you don't believe in a religion. That's saying the religion is fake and it doesn't provide any moral guides. You're falling into the exact masterful trap Jidion created. And who might be hurt by someone else's choice to eat meat? This doesn't change that veganism is a belief system that eating animals is "cruel" just as how any other religion is a belief system that you can't force upon others because there is no "right or wrong." All on what you believe.

@Samuel Cho Veganism isn’t a belief system silly 😭. It’s a diet and peoples reasons to be vegan aren’t based on faith but FACT. The fact of the matter is that eating meat is cruel and harmful to the environment. Nobody is hurt by not choosing to be religious. People however ARE hurt by others choosing to eat meat and not be vegan.

@Chris I’m not vegan lmao. Also by that point in time the taste and texture of meat would have already been synthetically created in a lab using only plant based ingredients (scientists are working on this as we speak and they’re getting close). If this happens there wouldn’t be a need to do so. But to answer your question yes. If it’s ethical and not causing harm to the environment there would be nothing wrong with it. However the sad reality is that things aren’t like that so being vegan is the best solution as of now.

@Hansel Carmona No, you have to keep in mind the main points of their arguments, as with any good and healthy debate. Jidion's main point or argument is that they're simply two different belief systems that neither can force onto the other but can still be respected. Of course, every argument needs to be backed by evidence. Which is why he brought up a personal belief system of his, Christianity. I don't think the vegan man was going to convert right then and there, as was with veganism. The debate was not about whether or not eating is good, or being vegan was bad, but rather, Jidion just saw the two as different perspectives and belief systems. In that case, there would be no right and wrong. Just two different opinions, or beliefs.

@David if u talking about Jidion, what was so intelligent about it, dude pulled out the Bible, its like leaning back to deeply rooted idiocy

@David if u talking about Jidion, what was so intelligent about it, dude pulled out the Bible, its like leaning back to deeply rooted idiocy

did you just call him funny cuz he portrayed himself as a believer in the Bible and that makes him a funny clown? you indeed are correct sir

did you just call him funny cuz he portrayed himself as a believer in the Bible and that makes him a funny clown? you indeed are correct sir

@Hansel Carmona If humans consumption of meat was regulated to the point where it wasn't affecting the climate and other things, would you still be vegan?

@Hansel Carmona If humans consumption of meat was regulated to the point where it wasn't affecting the climate and other things, would you still be vegan?

@Hansel Carmona Thank you for actually giving an explanation unlike the other dude! 👌

@Hansel Carmona Thank you for actually giving an explanation unlike the other dude! 👌

@Samuel Cho I disagree because yes he could find a fault against him by saying “oh you’re disrespecting a religion” but he rlly couldn’t find faults in why being vegan is BAD or why eating meat is good. Also I honestly doubt that he put in the entire debate. It likely was too long to put in a video and I’m willing to bet that the vegan dude made some points that Jidion could not directly respond to. Mind you we already saw Jidion do that in the shortened version of the video.

@Mr. Mommy You say this while your name is literally "Mr. Mommy". I'm going to assume you're a kid because of your username, so in going to try and explain this carefully. When you make a point, you need to give an explanation on why you believe it. Otherwise, you make yourself look dumber than your name. I'd gladly admit my point is stupid if you can explain how.

@Chris It is socially unacceptable to disrespect other people religions because it is what gives people hope and a reason to live. It’s fucked up to do so which is why he can’t just say that it’s stupid and all made up. Yes both being vegan and religious is a choice however, religion is primarily backed on the principle of faith. Nobody is being harmed directly or indirectly by choosing not to participate in practicing a religion. In contrast, making the decision to not be vegan results in animal cruelty and the pollution and deterioration of the planet. Both of those effects are proven by FACTS and are not backed only by faith and/or belief. Your second argument is so stupid that it’s sad I have to explain it to you 🤦🏻♂ Carnivorous animals aren’t mass killing other animals and affecting climate change. If that were the case there would be an imbalance in the ecosystem that would naturally fix itself. How you ask? Mass killing of prey= less food for predators as the preys population declines. This in turn causes the predator population to decrease and the prey would naturally repopulate. The issue with humans is that cows and other animals aren’t being drastically reduced in population size as we are FORCING the animals to reproduce faster than they normally would.

@Hansel Carmona That religion was actually a trap in the argument. He knew whichever way the dude answered it, he could find some fault against him. I'm genuinely surprised how smart jdion is.

@Chris Your point with carnivores is so dumb. Are you being serious posing a question like that or you got carried away and didn’t realize how silly that was

If you think whatever he said was intelligent, you gotta be 10 times stupider to believe so

If you think whatever he said was intelligent, you gotta be 10 times stupider to believe so

@C BR my age doesn’t matter lmao 💀 He brought up religion because other than religion or medical issues there is no morally correct excuse for animal cruelty and destroying the planet. Even so, I personally believe that religion is still a bullshit excuse. It’s just socially unacceptable for the vegan guy to say that so he didn’t. Obviously going vegan is a lot more expensive than just eating meat so personally I don’t shame people for doing so. It just turns into classism. However, if you have the resources to eat vegan you should 🤷🏻♂

@C BR He really said “Religion doesn’t affect the world”.<br>He has to be joking🤦🏽♂

@C BR He really said “Religion doesn’t affect the world”.
He has to be joking🤦🏽♂

@C BR he was just saying random shock phrases and trying to convert a random man. If he wanted to bring up religion he should brought up halal meat etc.

@C BR he was just saying random shock phrases and trying to convert a random man. If he wanted to bring up religion he should brought up halal meat etc.

@Hansel Carmona bruh it’s literally a natural process lol

@Hansel Carmona bruh it’s literally a natural process lol

My videos are similar style to Jidion, I’m a New Youtuber and tryna hit my dream of 5k 🔥

My videos are similar style to Jidion, I’m a New Youtuber and tryna hit my dream of 5k 🔥

@C BR he’s like 15 bro of course he don’t get it

@C BR he’s like 15 bro of course he don’t get it

@Hansel Carmona how old are you? Jidion brought up religion as a net to trap the vegan guy to turn the argument around. Religion is the truth to a lot of people as well as vegan is the truth to others. simple.

@Hansel Carmona He was just saying random things at that point💀💀💀love him tho

@Hansel Carmona He was just saying random things at that point💀💀💀love him tho

@David I fw him but they weren’t intelligent at all 💀He ignored the majority of the vegan guys points and he brought religion into it. When religion is a belief that doesn’t involuntarily affect the world around you and isnt comparable to being vegan.

I was genuinely surprised by how intelligent his points were.

I was genuinely surprised by how intelligent his points were.


Mad respect for talkin for real with him and putting both arguments in. Great channel great guy keep up the work


This was pure gold lol glad both of you were good sports about it haha <br>Keep doing what you do bro!

This was pure gold lol glad both of you were good sports about it haha
Keep doing what you do bro!


This was a good conversation. Both sides raised very valid points.


Damn what a pro! Has tons of fun, makes everyone laugh and literally everyone is happy. Well done


As a vegan, I agree with both of them. Really good discussion.


I randomly started watching him and now it’s crazy to see how far he’s gone

Remember when he was making videos in school lol

@Speedy gaming it doesn't matter when u started as along as u enjoy his content it doesn't matter

@Speedy gaming i been watching since November of last year

I started at 50k last year i cant believe man hit a mil like i believe it i knew this channel was a gem but still

My videos are similar style to Jidion, I’m a New Youtuber and tryna hit my dream of 5k 🔥🔥🔥

I started watching him 2 years ago when he made the giving people the n word pass

Facts i watched a guns down gloves up when they was trending,niggas watched every video now 😂

I subbed to him when he was dumb low but I'm sooo happy he's blown up totally deserves it better watch his step tho with the tech gods and what he's allowed to post

@YoungRook YT  damn I was just saying but okay lmao

@Speedy gaming nigga no one cares at how many subscribers you been watching him since


I use to love so many YouTubers that pranked the world, but jidion is just the best and he makes me just feel happy❤ love you Jidion you litterely save my days and I’m so glad I found your channel


the vegan guy had a very good point and i love how chill he is about u pranking him


Damn I didn’t know Jidion was actually smart. He was able to defend his points without just raising his voice.


Props to both of them for keepin it a respected conversation instead of screaming at each other.

Hello Clarice... Yeah, but you have one of the two who was completely arrogant, spiteful and immature. I'll give you a hint, it wasn't JiDion.


He was a lot more chill than I expected him to be lol