@7 Eyes open wide wholly fuck... i must research. That is exceptionally cruel. I am looking forward to an analysis of rowan baxter who a couple of days ago murdered his family and then stabbed himself to death
I became a patreon after being a fan for almost a year, don't know what took me so long. But so glad I did. Thanks for churning out quality stuff and thanks for the shout out to TCL.
Susan I was shocked when he said Brevard and showed the map...I live smack dab in the middle, on Merritt Island! Never heard of this guy though...until now!
@ Lilly girl - you will LOVE, LOVE, LOVE being a patron of JCS, and amazed at the quality of the videos!! I’ve been a sub of the JCS channel on YT since it first started and joined the patron when YT deleted his videos. It’s the BEST 1$/month I’ve ever spent and I’m sure you’ll be happy with the new videos on patron and you’ll also get the original video content YT deleted from his channel. Welcome to the JCS team lol!!
Please do an episode on Jeremy Christian if possible. I wrote a paper on him for forensic psychology, and the jury should come in tonight or tomorrow. I find him so interesting, especially with the debated pathology (ASPD vs. ASD).
@Akehap Kap Not mu point. If he uploaded this. He should be using that description box for his viewers and not sending people on a wild goose chase for information before watching it. That description box is not only for Paypal and Patreon requests.
This may have been asked before , but are you former or currently an officer or detective , did you take any criminal justice classes , just wondering how your able to correctly breakdown these interviews , love the channel . Thanks 👍👍
JCS - Criminal Psychology I’ve been a Big fan of TCL and your channel! You guys are great! So it 411NOW is a great true crime channel! Love that you dropped 2 videos a week apart! I’ve missed you so!! ✌🏻💪🏻💯❌❣️❤️⭕️😍🌹💐
No no, thank YOU for uploading! Always eager to see more, this is better than a soap opera + tutorial all packed into one video! This is great, by all means upload more of these!
JCS - Criminal Psychology thanks for all your work on these. I love your channel and recently joined your patreon because I needed all the content and it’s well worth the nominal fee. I’d like to request a topic for you to consider exploring in a video- The fraud case of confidence man Dr. Cleal Watts, III. I’ve watched his seven hour deposition so many times I’ve lost count. I would be fascinated (and think others would be too) to see your treatment of the psychological aspect of his lying and manipulation. Also, sometimes it’s nice to explore true crime topics that aren’t so grisly or tragic. I think that’s why I’ve enjoyed your videos on Dahlia Dippolito and Jussie Smollett in particular; you achieved both fascinating and funny with those. Just a suggestion, please don’t take it as criticism. Thank you for your consideration and thanks again for all your hard work on this exceptional content.
Dang man. Jacksonville's police response time is pretty shyte (I've literally had multiple occasions where I had to call the police and they either didn't show up or were too lazy to write a report). All cops aren't like that, but too many here in Jax are. That aside, I freakin' love interrogations officers, I wish I could do that for a living but I don't think the police hire folks with disabilities. The white cop is funny af though, I can't believe he lives here. I'd love to meet those guys and ask them what it was like to get to interrogate and help put someone so disgusting away? That dude had the balls to shed a tear for himself the first time they walked out of the room, and didn't once comment that he regretted killing the kid or hurting his family and friends, possibly giving the other kids that were with them PTSD. All because he didn't like the music they were listening to and they were black and looked like soft targets, when it comes down to it. If you look into this guy, he gets way worse before they actually prosecuted him. Like he tried to act like he lost his mind or something during the trial from the "stress" he was under....and just succeeded in proving how much of a narcissistic sociopath he was. He didn't get near the time he deserved, in my opinion.
Awesome explanation on the whole contrived emotion for his pet and fiancé but none for the kid that’s exactly what I was thinking but your words were perfect as usual
Hi Jim, great video as usual! I was wondering what happened to your other cases.. were they deleted? I remember you discussed a case about a man who used Jesus as a way to push off blame from himself for his crime of.. kidnapping someone i think. It was real funny how the interrogators rebuffed him.. i would love to see that video again..;)
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Billy Bob2020-02-21 08:22:48 (edited 2020-02-21 08:33:27 )
JCS - Criminal Psychology I don’t understand did this guy kill the kid because this guy is a bad guy or did he kill the kid because he was afraid I can’t figure it out? I can see the guy is a heartless self-centered person and doesn’t care of the fact that he murdered someone but was he ever afraid?
@Art, Garden, Food Expressions I appreciate your thoughts but we can't assume that just because we're huge fans of sociopaths and true crime, it doesn't mean we'll recognize every name we see...
@Art, Garden, Food Expressions it's not like they don't go into details about what happened is it? Jesus Christ, this video literally analyses and goes into mad details on the case and who it concerns... 😂😂🤦🏽♀️🤷🏽♀️
Joe Simpson quality over quantity Joe. Don’t be ungrateful, give them a dollar on their Patreon and view their entire library. There is hours and hours of content on there.
Hi Jim, It’s a shame you don’t have the same sort of access to UK interrogations, you would have a field day. There is a programme called 24 hours in Police custody that is on in the UK, do a search on here, well worth a watch!
Much respect JCS, you teach the world reality. We can't imagine our lives without a spontaneous episode of Jim Can't Swim. When your new videos pop up we go woohoo.
JCS - Criminal Psychology I remember when this happened. I live in Satellite Beach, where this pos is from, so it was all over our local news. Sidebar, you were kind of driving me batty every time you pronounced our county, which is Brevard. It’s pronounced Bruh-vard (like yard).
I would love to see an episode of an innocent person being interrogated for an hour and a description of how the police determine innocence during an interrogation as well. Like what are the signs that someone is telling the truth. How do innocent people behave during interrogations etc
Your videos are amazing and honestly better content than most paid programming.. you realy are doing a good service. Thank you for keeping alot of us informed on things going on.
@Shaun Edson That case got an insane amount of attention. It's been 7 years and it's still getting attention. People need to get over it. It was an accident.
@Jack Budington there are certainly a lot of innocent people that have been wrongly convicted. Did you see how many were released by the use of DNA evidence?
Hey Jim like your insight wish you would comment more in your videos. Sometimes it feels like there are large gaps in your commentary. Keep up the good work though
Akehap Kap I honestly don’t see racism where I live but it’s sad if anyone is still racist. My heart and prayers go out to the young man and his parents. It appears Dunn (never heard of this case) caused the confrontation in the first place. He wouldn’t have been such a bulky if he didn’t have a gun. Not once did he ever feel bad or show any remorse fir killing an innocent 17 year old. I only see good and bad and thus man Dunn is bad. Bully that had no right to ever fire that gun. Thank God the driver backed out so quickly preventing any other deaths or injuries. I honestly hate guns because of idiots like this. He was probably drunk and never should have been driving anyway. He is a narcissist as he thought he was going to get away with it. I will agree that asshole appears to be a racist and it’s sickening.
JCS - Criminal Psychology what a Scary unapologetic Monster!!! Trying to kill a bunch of kids listening to music and buying junk food or something. What an awful Monster! They were children!! I just can’t imagine... what sorrow.
I would find it interesting if you did some crimes other than murder. Just because I'm curious if the police use different tactics for assault, rape, robberies etc.
@134BrothersMusic two things that jump out at me is...that guy was never a slave...the girl I'm sure was never a slave owner! It makes me sick when people that was not directly affected by events that happened 100 yrs ago
JCS - Criminal Psychology Great video. The commentary was perfect. No unnecessary pausing after every 2 or 3 seconds and talking for 10 minutes about pointless things. Avoiding biased opinions and sticking to the facts, which is rare on YouTube. And I love the psychological breakdowns Subscribed! 👍
Pinned by JCS - Criminal Psychology: The black young men acted like hooligans at that time, they never said the truth about why this happen.. The white man said 90% truth of what happen..... But most of all, the white man didn't want to kill them, for he shot not at the windows of their car... The black young men played a dangerous game, and this thing happen... The Judge was, and i believe still is - good for nothing.....
I agree with acrylic paintings by Joyce. This happens so frequently because thugs like this demon think they're entitled to take another person's life and get away with it.
Do you think it’s a good tactic for the detectives to be sarcastic? When he said he was shooting at the door the police detective says something to the extent that the door wasn’t attacking him or something. I find that completely dumb. First off doors are not cover they are concealment. Secondly, the guy was behind the freaking door so what is the point of that sarcasm? I don’t understand that. It’s stupid to me.
Really good video and love justice being served. Just wish it didn't happen in the first place. Some info on the boy would been nice although would upset me more....
@Art, Garden, Food Expressions waaaaaaaa. Geek girl. . . Use Google for research and that will lead to other venues . Individuals put a lot into the videos they post. Be grateful that we have these resources.. if you're truly interested in crime psychology or the study of/ details of a particular case it would do justice to do more than just read the description. No reason to be critical of anyone's efforts. Peace . ✌
You make these videos yourself? I love them. So much interrogation in them, but I'm not bored because you know how to edit, when to jump in with interesting facts, & when to let things speak for themselves. Stellar, dude! Subscribing!
JCS: Your videos are the best! Other true-crime videos tell the story of the crimes and outcomes, but I learn so much from your discussion of the interrogation and why people say what they say or act the way they act. The non-JCS videos are disappointing after watching yours. Please keep up the outstanding work. I need MORE to watch! -Jeff
Acrylic Paintings by Joyce the ambiguity is the point. it’s meant to be intriguing. We don’t know who he is but by watching the video we’re told all we need to know. Less is more sometimes
I love what you do I would like to be an investigator one day. I love it to solve a puzzle and bring Justice to innocents and victims. I have being through a lot in life people rarely stood up for me. I am amazed by your skills and ability to unravel his lies.
Random thought, could it have been that he was freestyling over the music oh, and his friends were saying "ooo kill em"? That's the only logical explanation that I can think of, because he had turned up the music, and the gunman said that he couldn't tell if he was singing or yelling.
Fantastic video !. I love the way you break it all down in these interrogations. I had vaguely heard about this case but didn't remember the name til about 5 minutes in. This guy is a racist bigoted a liar and now a killer of a young man who was only starting his future. This man looks like he has absolutely no remorse and he even said he would do it again
@Art, Garden, Food Expressions Just Click on them and enjoy the story. You should know what you're in for when you see the channel name. Lmbo you're small minded and it's sad!
@Art, Garden, Food Expressions ...not knowing who he was, and learning drip by drip, really did it for me. But I look at it from a fiction writer's perspective. Your mileage my vary.
Kind of bizarre how similar this is to the drejka case..and yet not surprising, you get a cowardly asshole gun nut just looking for a chance to fire his gun in a situation that doesn't remotely call for it, when you're not in danger
“If you thought he had a shotgun, you most likely would be concerned with how he intended to do it. You would likely be more concerned with getting shot with a shotgun as opposed to having your ear bitten off.”
@JCS - Criminal Psych…✔️ My ONLY request is if you could do a follow up on cases that were either retried, had some type of complications, got moved back for years and years (dalia diwitlito), or other factors. You wouldn’t have to do an individual video on all but more like a “where are they now,” type of thing. Hopefully ALL in jail minus any “innocent” people, that would be my ONLY thing the rest of your work is fantastic!
@7 Eyes open wide thanks for suggestions bc I’m now looking into this case too since I never, even heard of it! Hopefully that friend got her help and he got in trouble!!
@Justine Calub they’re working on new one now. Their narrator finished the voice over last week. Shouldn’t be long now. I’m gonna guess x mas eve or day they’ll release it, but dont quote me on that. It’s just a shot in the dark.
@Art, Garden, Food Expressions if you had of just watched the video like everyone else, all of the info you sought would have been easily answered. Practice some more art and asmr and relax a little
To be hones I just turned 39 and people in their 20s up to even early 30s I still call kids! Especially college kids who are 18 and up so has no relevance to point that out as 17 year olds can definitely look 18 or 19 or higher and be adults?
45:55 when he says "i've been MAD before where my hands have been shaking..." that should have been used in the trial. He slipped up and directly said he was mad but nothing like hes ever experienced before. This guy got raging mad at some innocent guys because he was too immature to just not deal with it like witness 7 at the start. He got made and shot to kill with more than the declared 8 shots and likely would have ran off with his wife regardless if he had gotten them.
Edit to an earlier comment Amen to the wife for not lying and trying to be as nightmare fuel as her husband with that stare in his mugshot, same blank lack of expression as the day after he did all this. He did it out of rage but in the aftermath on the drive back he knew he was done for that is why he told his wife so many times he loved her he knew what was going to happen. His story completely changed and thank god for the access to the tapes during trial because that gave me the chills like Poe.
Discovered your channel yesterday and this is fantastic stuff (of course it's horrible but it's fascinating). Thank you for the great production and keep 'em coming.
Over half of Jim's content has been removed. His Patreon is functionally dead, and you have to pay again whenever you want to access the old videos. He has made 0 attempt to fix ANY of this, and actively still actively removes archives of these deleted videos to this day. So many bad business practices, I can't say I'm still a fan of JCS. It was a good ride.
@pyrobison2002 He doesn’t like violence in certain entertainment,I’m sure it wouldn’t take a very sensitive gut feeling to know that the poor specimen of a “man” called Dunn wouldn’t have felt threatened in the slightest,infact I’m sure he would have hummed along carefree if it was the legendary Johnny Cash who was detailing how many tines he “watched that man die”!DUNN only lives the thug life for REALeven if in a insanely hypocritical manner,there’s no doubt he down for the “THUG LIFE”!!!zero joke intended as it’s a 100% FACT!
I like your voice but when your using words that you don’t hear all the time it’s hard to know what your talking bout I would dumb it down a bit or explain those words but other than that you do great work I’m gonna subscribe and like
At 31:18 read the frustration of the black detective make the suspect uncomfortable when he glances in the corner of his eyes....let's be honest...he's using the... these black dangerous teens made me fear for my life so I defended my life.....he thought he could pull a stand your ground with this mild manner demeanor....
I agree with most of the views here but I do think you are missing something "Kid" or "Kids" is usually thrown out for people that are younger than yourself at his age more than an indication of actual adolescence.
As a huge supporter of the second amendment and concealed carry, I really enjoyed this video and the Michael Drejka video. It highlights the fact that we are responsible for each and every bullet that leaves our barrel and we have to deal with the consequences for the damage it causes. Some people don't understand this until their in Jail.
So this man was drunk and felt disrespected and let his emotions lead him into stupidity. I bet he blows his top regularly and blames others because he has been attacked. Cops said it exactly right. He lost his temper and killed a kid. So busy defending himself can’t take responsibility for his own actions.
This dude was scared for his life!!! Str8 up. Look at the violence black youth presents to america. It's ashame and stereotypical but it's why he reacted the way he did
That bullshit bullet point at the top of the video about him not knowing they were kids is B.S CUZ now he's being interrogated and he knows after everything that they are in fact kids
@Art, Garden, Food Expressions why not just quickly google... Or wait a couple of minutes when it explains who he is. Stop being lazy/impatient. Its free quality content.
Like, not only have you provided some really great quality content and information, educating rather than mindless dribble, but you have also asked for input and linked to alternate views or additional sources. This channel is amazing!
He was very stupid not to admit guilt and remorse over the pain he inflicted on the victims families. This makes him a narcissist and psychopat. His girlfriend is the only one who gained on his crime , she can now leave this monster without physical threats and start a new life.....h
Hey man I fuckin love your videos. You are making a new wave of copycat accounts trying to do interrogation analysis videos like yours but not as good. Keep making more videos. So many cases you can cover. Hope you post more soon.
@Art, Garden, Food Expressions I didn't know who he was either. I learned as I watched though. I mean it does say "The case of Michael Dunn" I know now. Piece of shit did what did of his own accord and didn't think of anyone involved not even "the love of my life" God this is upsetting.
There are so many comments here, and this video was uploaded a year ago, so I don't know if you'll read this. But if you do...Thank-you for breaking down these cases the way you do! And Thank-you to everyone who put so much time and energy into creating videos that give us all insight into the cases, and minds, of these individuals. Awesome job! ✌😎🤘
As my cop step dad used to say, "thank God criminals are stupid but think they are smart otherwise we wouldn't catch nearly as many of em". What a sociopathic piece of work
I've watched this over 3 times, great job. Love your editing style and pacing, to include the abrupt "just the facts" ending (without a 2 min Bill Kurtis voiceover wrap up of the psychology of Mr. Dunn). Thanks!
@Art, Garden, Food Expressions During the wedding reception Michael Dunn drank three glasses of fluid motion and feasted on a plate of cheese and something, something crackers
Hey, I have to thank you for this video and your commentary (The channel named "this is MONSTERS" also does a great - and different - take on this case).
I'm from the UK it is so strange to us how guns are so worshiped in USA, we never see or touch guns over here, thank God, I would be afraid to go out in the USA, they are not in our culture thank the lord🙏🙏👎
Thank you for your videos. I was wondering if we can get a video of a interview where the suspect is actually innocent.. and what for clues to look for
A car driver blocking our community gate entrance threatened to kill me when I approached the car and asked them if everyone was ok. My 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th thoughts were “nothing is worth this trouble, lets call the police if they dont leave soon”. At no point does a sane person think “hmmm, maybe shoot first and ask questions later”
@Art, Garden, Food Expressions 12 million views and 5 million subscribers suggest this channel might be better at this than you are. Maybe pay attention and think “how are they doing it”, rather than “I’m smarter than you”. Let me guess: you didn’t get good grades in school, did you?
This guy is so egotistical he can’t even pretend to regret murdering a kid because he is too involved in describing how heroically and perfectly he loaded his weapon
@Bryan Smith wait hold up. He has friends in the military?!?! This changes everything. If only we could all be as cool as him with his military friends!
@Thanos TheGoat This guy did, lol He put a more than words to their face What are you gonna do about it? Nothing You larp as a tough guy on the internet but you’re nothing and you won’t do anything
@Agent K And look what happened to him, he's in prison. Project much? Just curious, I'd love for drive-in theaters to make a comeback and you look like a great projector, Mr. Internet Skinhead.
I think guilt creates a blindspot that prevents you from acknowledging victims. In order to effectively lie, he has to push down his guilt, which necessarily means disassociating himself from the plight of his victims. For a criminal to get around that would require next level preparation.
@Anonymous Hiram yeah he doesn’t see black people as human . He describes the shooting as if he were telling a hunting story and his use of language towards the victims. “Thugs” ,”They’re violent “ ,”thug music”. There’s no remorse in his speech. The reason he was so upset is because he couldn’t believe that a group of black kids would dare go against his will
This just illustrates the power of that kind of music to make otherwise rational people commit acts of evil.
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Andrew Hill2022-06-04 07:29:56 (edited 2022-06-04 07:31:08 )
@Limlaith Lmao the truth is You just dont understand that this man wanted that situation. He hates that kind of music to the point of irrationality. That makes him irrational ma’am. He was still shooting at them as they drove back, he said he returned fire when they didn’t shoot a single bullet.
Hey give him a break, it was Pizza Hut. Turning off sarcasm. This POS really gets me worked up. I can't believe someone could kill a person, let alone a teenager, and say he is the victim. I am not one in favor of the death penalty, but I actually feel its warranted here
The only thing I don’t agree with are his comments of “I can’t shoot someone cause I think they have a gun” cops do that shot all time and walk away without even a slap on the wrist
i moved to the us over a year ago - for the life of me i will never understand why you have to annoy other people with your loud music, in my steet it happens every day and it is a nice area. but i guess its just the egotistical american culture
@Kendall Simington is ebonics now being taught instead of traditional english in US public schools? Urban youth are incredibly uneducated on average. Reading and writing at what would be a grade 5 level here in Canada
@Dylan Jackson I know but, here in Canada we are all together. If you are all born and raised in the same neighbourhood, you all act and sound very similar regardless of colour. It seems like Americans are all separated and even if you grow up blocks away from each other, it still depends on what race you are.... so weird eh?
Nick Dimitre2022-05-18 09:44:46 (edited 2022-05-18 09:45:19 )
@Shawn Hughes Americans living in cities have been separated due to race over time. Specifically black people were only given loans to buy houses in certain lower income districts while white families of the same income were given loans to live in much more wealthy neighborhoods and while that kind of ruling has since been made illegal, the effects of it remain to this day. Meaning there are often large areas of low income families that are primarily black today. It depends on what race you are only for this reason.
And even further from that, some black families have since become more wealthy and have gotten out of life of crime and have integrated into higher income areas and they more often than not talk very similar to people of different races that live in the same areas. So id argue it does not necessarily depend on race, rather the area you live in, which is often segmented by race.
@Shawn Hughes Your comment is not dissimilar to the racist attitudes that spur these monsters on. Conflating AAVE with education. You have scant self-awareness and your inability to parse dialects or creoles or aave is an indictment of you and not others.
@Mark9898 the SUV was at the store first. They had no idea an older white racist was going to pull beside him and start trouble. I would've danced with them a second or two. Music, ALL MUSIC, is good for the soul. It's great therapy and a great way to make friends. I didn't like rap or hiphop when it first started. But, I started listening to the lyrics. I can say I love ALL music. 5 minutes. This racist man couldn't put up with culturally different music from himself for 5 minutes. One or both would've been gone. Jordan would still be alive.
@Nick Dimitre Disbarring legally-mandated segregation, it’s a combination of housing policy, racially restrictive housing covenants, deeds that banned sale to black people (see Levittown), credit discrimination, and if I listed all of them this would be twice as long.
All of those factors have worked to confine millions to bleak living conditions and set the stage for worse when the Nixon and Reagan Administrations began the war on drugs.
Which makes the legal distinction between “de jure” and “de facto” segregation since 1971 all the more infuriatingly counterintuitive. All segregation in this country was birthed from deliberately discriminatory acts to deny the social uplift of the formerly enslaved.
he's not a monster he's a complete and utter idiot who owns a gun not a great mix
I will say the way he seemed to idk brag about how well-versed he is on guns and his practice and experience with them despite the fact he shot and killed a kid is indicative of a lack of empathy or concern that he killed someone and the prison phone call seems like he takes pride in what he's done feeling it was justified which is sick even after his claim to self-defense was broken down by the cops at that point of the timeline of events
Rhonda’s humanity is incredible. The truth causes her so much pain, but she suffers through it because she knows it’s the right thing to do. I hope she finds peace.
I know!! Poor woman, her whole life turned upside down because of that monster and then having to get up in court and testify against the man she loved because she knew that he was a murderer must have been so difficult. Her testimony no doubt is what solidified his conviction as he was shown by the person closest to him to be a liar. Thank goodness for her and that she actually had empathy.
She’s had a lucky escape, she seems like a sweet and mild woman, but who knows what would’ve happened if she upset him during a fight. She could’ve been next.
@bravo1IsixI it's not about "snitching" it's an internal battle she is fighting. She is fighting herself as she knows she needs to tell the truth because that's what the victims deserve and trying to protect her fiance. I think what she did was remarkable as you can tell this was a major battle she was fighting in her mind. I just hope she eventually moves on and finds somebody that will treat her like the lady she deserves to be treated like.
Flygon Fiasco yes, I felt the same way! I truly hope she’s able to find peace as well...Hearing her voice shaking so much while on the witness stand broke my heart for her. 😰
Broken Silence and thus she persisted, so strong, so conflicted. That’s such a load of bullshit. She stuck by him until the cops showed up and then she got scared and snitched. If she was so brave and strong she would have called the police from the hotel, not waited until they tracked her down. Spare everyone the feminist shit and see things for what they are.
She is having an internal battle - not snitch on her old boy and risk being prosecuted for it; or disown her fiancee because she wouldn't wanna do a few months in jail for him. She is a coward and a snitch.
@bravo1IsixI in civilised places it's called being honorable, telling the truth, being honest. Not sure what shithole you're living in on the daily but when you swear an oath you don't lie
@Nurmi Koil It's not being a coward to tell the truth. That kind of thinking is cancerous to society. Being a snitch is going out of your way to inform LE of something one of your friends has done without being questioned, FOR YOUR BENEFIT, either to protect yourself, or to get a reduced sentence for something else. Being questioned by the police about the senseless murder of young boys and telling the truth about what he said isn't being a snitch. He admitted he shot them, he admitted to shooting a fleeing vehicle, none of that was in doubt. She was questioned already before the trial and just told the truth. Telling the truth despite the repercussions is courageous, she didn't do it to save herself.
I hope Rhonda was able to move on and isn't wasting her life feeling some stupid form of loyalty to a man that had no problems dragging her into his bullshit story. And rest in peace to the poor boy that lost his life over a man wanting to be a hero in his delusional mind.
Nah she knew that man had racism in his heart. No way she could be with someone who would say “I hate thug music” when pulling up beside a car of young black men and not have heard him say something else before this incident. I’m glad she told the truth but there’s no way she hasn’t been complicit in his racism before, it just hadn’t gotten to this point.
zz3open - you seem very agitated, do you even know why? seems like you have the girlfriends thoughts and motives thoroughly understood? Do you watch a lot of daytime tv and scream your insights at the people on your shows?
She should have called police in the morning when she saw the news footage. I doubt prior to that she even realized a crime had been committed. He didn’t talk in the car then went out a walked the dog. She was in the store when it all went down. She may have passed out before he got back with the dog. He also could have retrieved his gun before the dog walk. All she knows is that he didn’t take it to the room. But once she realized that something definitely went down, she should have turned herself in, not driven two hours back home.
@zz3OPEN excellent point. the man chose submissive, dependent personalities to be with, whom he could easily intimidate. she is loosing her safety blanket. though i still think she has a good heart.
@bravo1IsixI "being a snitch is wrong." The anthem of smooth-brains who celebrate criminality. Dude you're so fucking epic win. Please do a Ted talk, you brave soul. 🤗🤗🤗
bravo1IsixI or she was scared he would hurt her before the cops got there? do you honestly think that she was in the wrong in this situation? or is it okay to go around shooting innocent people because you don’t like their disposition?
mollkatless how did you get that I have it all worked out from that comment? I’m just saying she knew before he killed that kid that he was racist. No way she didn’t. I didn’t say she didn’t do the right thing in the end
Flygon Fiasco yes she comes across as a survivor herself watching during the interview and Stand makes me believe that doing her relationship she probably went through a lot of emotional and verbal abuse from Mr. DUNNBut yet she stayed courageous and told the truth no pun intended but I think this incident allowed her to dodge a bullet herself I can only imagine what a nightmare he must be as a husband
So let me get this straight...a young man was murdered in front of his 3 friends who were inches away. His parents lost their child and all you people direct your sympathy towards the murderer's fiancee ? Someone who fled the scene with him and couldn't take 3 seconds to dial 911 ? Disgusting
@Some Body I know, makes you wonder what their personal life was like before this horrid thing happened... He screams of woman beater and mommy issues.
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N Lee2020-02-22 20:20:04 (edited 2020-02-22 20:21:17 )
I hope she realizes she’s attracted to psychopaths and fixes that about herself. It’s called being a doormat, and the outcome is never good.
@christine robinson turned HERSELF in... for what? So easy to judge what someone else should have done now that you have all the facts of a case... if SHE had known all the facts at that time she may have acted differently.
@Madison so what if she did know he was racist! Most blacks who comment on youtube are racist and their entire families are too. What are you trying to say?
@PBMS123 I applaud you for giving a sensitive and insightful explanation of the situation. It must have been heartbreaking for her but telling the truth showed that she had the compassion for the victims that her boyfriend lacked. It had to have been devastating to know that he was capable of such a violent, senseless act.
@zz3OPEN Those two things are not mutually exclusive. She could have been "torn up" both because he senselessly took another life, and also because he did something so horrible he's going to prison when they had previously planned to marry before all this happened.
Can you imagine if this incident didn't happen and she married that guy and then one day he gets irrationally upset with something she does and then she's the murder victim because this guy responds with lethal violence for minor transgressions.
I read an article. It said everyone who knew him incl. friends and neighbours, said he was a mean bastard. He was violent with ex's. Only his daughter defended him. It didn't say anything about how this fiance felt. I'm sure she saw his meanness. Not sure why she even wanted to marry him. I can't see him suppressing it while with her. Who knows tho. One person who knew him well said they were not surprised he was in this kind of trouble.
I could find nothing about Rhonda Rouer killing herself at the end of 2019. She hasn’t been in the news since 2015, when she was quoted as saying she couldn’t visit Dunn in prison because it left her traumatized.
Please provide a link, if you’re telling the truth, or an explanation if you’re lying.
Rhonda is an adult with a cell phone who, after fleeing a crime scene, didn’t call the police so they wouldn’t have to search for her and Dunn all night and day. Dunn tells her he was attacked and she knows those boys never touched Dunn, no mention of a gun and she still rides for him. She didn’t lie on the stand and everybody wants to give her an award. Maybe she didn’t want to commit perjury and get arrested herself. Also, if I have to hear about their god damn dog when a child is dead, I’m going to scream.
I've heard Rhonda is no longer with us and committed suicide last year, but could not confirm.
Rhonda was in shock at first. This is very clear. But in the hotel room, she made a choice not to call the police and get away from her fiance. She may have kept that silence if the police hadn't found him by themselves. She isn't a strong woman and has trouble choosing in a situation that requires a choice. While we can give her empathy for not making a choice due to reasons of possible shock, emotions, and loyalty to fiance, we shouldn't celebrate her lack of choice as something someone does who is strong. I do hope she finds peace and that she shouldn't be hard on herself. She very obviously is scared and unable to choose, connecting to others like Dunn who control her life and choices. If she is alive, I do hope she forgives her own self her weakness as we should as well. The tears she is shedding during the trial is more from her extreme anxiety and emotional level and shouldn't be taken as humanity. She no doubt has it, however, and will be dealing with the pain of this for years. The actual victim who died should still get more focus and sympathy however. Does a woman's feelings trump a boy's life? Purely rhetorical, but there seems to be a group of people showing greater empathy for her and her position than for the death of the boy.
bravo1IsixI this woman seems very meek and mild sounds to me she was afraid of him in some way when you are afraid of some pos like a man like that you don’t say NO it’s not in the dictionary of men like that please don’t put woman like that in a bad light.
MorbidMaddi Bingo!!! You don't just shoot somebody like that outta know where. She knew about his racism and either agreed with him or was too cowardly to leave such a bigoted person. Either way she gets sympathy because she's a white woman.
@N. Johnson Poor woman? She was the only lucky person in this whole situation. The true victim is Jordan, his friends and especially his parents, who in their middle age, lost their one and only son. What Rhonda went through giving that testimony was little more than an inconvenience compared to what Jordans parents went through listening to it.
Amen. Praying for the boys family more than anything but praying for her as well. It's a horrible tragedy this man inflicted upon a young boy. It's horrible the what this woman had to go through but she was brave enough to go through it in order to pursue justice for the boy and his family. Truly wishing peace on his family as well as her.
@Brotha Awakener I'm with ya there. F that Dunn, his narcissism, and his fake empathy. But the same "race" that traded black slaves, killed 60 million whites, from starvation, in just one country, in WW2. It's no secret, our common enemy prefers standing by laughing while we hate and fight one another, while they laugh, teap the spoils, and rewrite our real histories. The enemy owns the NGO's, and MSM, and use their standard divide and conquer bs as playbook. The only way the enemy wins, is by us falling for their bs. I have all "shades" of friends; none of believe in lies, and hate... We are all brothers, my friend.❤️
@zz3OPEN and was in a relationship with a man who is clearly petty, aggressive, entitled, dramatic and, going by how infuriatingly meek she is, possibly abusive/controlling. She sounds like she just nods her head, yes sir, yes sir, no sir, yes sir, never rocks the boat. I'm pretty sure this man's behaviour wasn't some out of the blue brain fart, she knows what kind of a person he is.
@Blkeclipse L I know she should have been charged aswell because she had so many opportunities to call the police but she didn't and I can bet anything if the police didn't know who did it she would have kept it to herself. The man who took his number plate deserves a medal! He was on probation aswell but still came forward. RIP JORDAN.
The truth will always find the light and the truth was in her and forced its way to the light. She immediately knew he overreacted because during her interrogation she said she was thinking as they were leaving the scene “how could you be so stupid?” Now what woman after hearing her fiancé express to her that he was in legitimate fear for his and her life would think that his actions were stupid? She’s logically think even if it were a lie that he was at least partially justified if that’s what he honestly felt. But she knew better. He never expressed the eminent threat to either of their lives because there never was one. She knew that the only threat that night was in fact her fiancé and not those boys. Whew! What a thing to discover about the man you love.
Just goes to show you ladies... don't settle, lots of good men out there leagues better than this guy. Demand more for yourselves!! Your a hot commdity! Poor Rhonda settled :(
And she was a nurse, right? For the rest of her life she gets to remember she dedicated her life to helping people then her wanting wine led to the murder of a poor teenager- you know she probably thinks of that young man and his family every day...and even if she didn't do a damn thing- you know she feels guilt.
She is objectively a good person, but if it was my wife or partner giving evidence against me, it would leave a bitter taste. I would not expect my wife to lie for me, but also she should not testify against me - I certainly would not testify against her even if I knew my wife was in the wrong. If you can't rely on your partner, who can you rely on? If it was me, I'd not say a thing to police, courts etc, just keep my fucking mouth shut.
she´s a nurse that have another view of life as her fiance. So, she would lying (and betray) to herself and her whole life if she would not tell the truth in this case of a
disproportionate.
Anyone who’d protect their “loved ones” when that person killed an innocent 17 year old boy and never cried for that boy for a second would be an evil bastard. But they exist. I’m glad she wasnt one of them and she’s a very brave person for that.
When you watch her full interview she is paranoid about being charged with a crime herself, especially for leaving the scene and not calling the police.
The detectives then get her to take the same oath you would in court to corroborate her statement in the interview.
During the trial she never contradicts her statement in the police interview. I wonder if she was worried she would be found in contempt of court or some kind of criminal charge for contradiction of an earlier statement.
As consequently, Micheal Dunn suggests in letters to Rhonda after her interview to state facts that he hadnt mentioned to her before his arrest.
Agreed... Obviously I feel bad for the family of the victim, but I feel bad for her as well. You can tell she's a good person and realizes how much of an idiot her fiance was. I think she lucked out in that she didn't yet get married to this asshole.
@bravo1IsixI she knows telling the truth is the right thing to do, especially when it involves the death of a kid. Not telling the truth would be selfish and cowardly. What if it had been your kid???
@bravo1IsixI I mean he was in the same room/car and just saw him shoot some kids I'd be terrified too. Not to mention giving him the benefit of the doubt when he said he only shot the car.
You’re giving her too much credit. The truth is already out there, she’s just confirming it. And if she lies while under oath, then that’s perjury which carries its own consequences. She literally has no choice but to tell the truth.
@Scott Alderson Is this real or are you just interjecting more drama?? does nopt anyone here care about providing provennce for any statement or has this gone completely surreal.
@bravo1IsixI people really have to stop using terms they don’t know the meaning behind. A snitch is someone who commits a crime with someone else, and when caught by police. They tell on that person to receive a lesser punishment. Rhonda didn’t fire that weapon, nor did she want Jordan to die. She didn’t “snitch” she told the truth and helped put a cold hearted killer behind bars
@Akbar Shabazz-Jenkins 100% He probably never even considered catching a murder charge. He's genuinely surprised when the cops tell him tell him he's being charged with murder. Yeah that's how it works when you kill somebody over nothing. Pretty much says everything about how toxic our society really is.
@bravo1IsixI maybe she was afraid to upset the dude with the gun sleeping in her bed and sharing a hotel room with her that night, so she didn't call the cops right away.
@bravo1IsixI pretty sure it’s hard to leave your lover without something insane happening, and from the looks of it thee shooting was the first event of such a magnitude
@Matthew McGowan too bad all tribes don’t play by those sane honesty rules. Tribes who don’t snitch will win. Those that do will lose. Country is dead.
@Mary Stevens he shot at a car with a bunch of kids who were scared and trying to run away over some damn music. He is no hero, and it obviously wasn't in self defense. It would be fine and understandable of it was, but it clearly wasn't.
@Akbar Shabazz-Jenkins trey von martin and this case are apples and zucchinis they are not analogous in any way than the shooters were both looking to shoot someone. We don't know that the prejudice was against black kids he could have just as easily done the same to white kids that acted behaved and presented the same way. It could have been racially motivated but we can't know and the fact is regardless its a fucking tragedy. Is it any more or less tragic if the murdered child is a specific race?
@bravo1IsixI In the case of murder, it is not wrong to "snitch " Her testimony is so important for the victim and his family. And the most compelling reason to come forward in a case like this is to prevent this violent racist from killing again.
@bravo1IsixI I don't what your point is. This poor woman was no doubt terrified of her fiance. She had nothing to do with the killing. Why should she keep quiet?
Still sus that she knew him for 4yrs and did have a problem with him being super racist until he did something about it. She seems like a nice lady tho...
You think she didn’t hold those racist views too, really 🤦🏾♂️ They are both married, they have things in common. This isn’t his first racist incident.
@comrade shmurda possibly during the trial, ya I agree, she whimpered through it, but if u watch her statements to the detectives she pretty much kills Dunn's bullshit story, his version that is.
She not doing it because it's the right thing to do, she's only doing it because she'll be arrested if she doesn't. That doesn't make her a good person. A good person would have called the police. A good person wouldn't be calling him behind bars cooing at him and stroking his ego.
I've seen this video a few times now and came here to say this. Poor old girl just wanted a husband to call her own. She seems so sweet and empathetic, yet stoic enough to push through her own pain to tell the truth. She won't lie for him no matter how much she loves him.
@bravo1IsixI Everyone just ignore this clown. I do agree that the boy deserves the most sympathy out of all this. As for the fiancee, well we dont really know her thought process during this entire ordeal. Remember that emotions can cloud one's judgment and perception of a situation. As for you Bravo, you are not a tough one pal. You could have clarified people if you were misunderstood but you had to act all macho.
@bonkerz huntsdemons I'm not trying to hurt her, she seems like a perfectly nice person in a more mundane setting where she isnt charged with such a heavy responsibility. It's just intellectually dishonest to praise someone for moral bravery when there are a multiple more likely explanations, especially given that she is so clearly a very loose, agreeable, malleable type of person. Afterall, if Dunn was so bad why was she even marrying him?
@Yorkshire_Tea_innit aye you right. No question bout that I jus can't believe they're from oregon we ain't like that here. And she knew the type of dude he was fasho. Its sad what this society is coming too yo.
I feel really bad for her too. Even though she made terrible decisions, you could see her struggle and she ultimately did the right thing. Keep in mind also - and I’m not sure if anyone else has mentioned this - that it was her idea to stop at the station to buy wine. In her mind, and doubtless many others, it could be assumed that if it were not for that decision then this tragedy would never have occurred…
@bravo1IsixI it’s not snitching are you normal? Think about how HARD it would be to testify against the man you loved and you don’t want to believe he’s done something so wrotten! She’s suffering cos the man she loved in a murderer! Your mean just saying
@Blkeclipse L You act like we also don't care for the victims family or the victim himself..she was clearly distraught and it seemed like there was at least some sort of abuse going on, so she very well could also be a victim.
@bravo1IsixI honestly your thoughts towards this are disgusting, heartless and void of any human understanding. I hope you find the happiness you’re clearly lacking
Poor woman is so torn by it. She doesn't want to turn on the man she loves but knows he was in the wrong and doesn't want to be a part of the murder of anyone. Shes a victim as well.
I felt this exact way. I was thinking, if it hadn't been this kid, she probably would have died by his hands in the long run. He seems like a horrible narcissist and/or psychopath, that had already beaten down Rhonda. She seems so scared through it all, she probably knew that she just had to go along with him until he got arrested because she had seen his violent and evil side many times before. The phone call shows to me that she was even scared of him after his arrest. Poor woman, and poor kids. It seems he likes to prey on all minorities.
She was the bravest woman in the entire world, but her to sit in that courtroom, in front of her prejudice ass husband, and tell the entire truth, all I can say is wow, and thank you so very much 🙏❣️💐🌷🌷🌷🌷🌷🌷🌷🌷🌷🌷🌷🌷
I feel horrible for her. You can hear the pain in her voice as she has to confront her narcissistic POS fiancé in court. I hope she is doing better now
She's great. He pulled the trigger, he made a conscious decision to pull the gun in the first place. He's not only a murderer but also a terrible liar.
@Scott Alderson I couldn't find anything to substantiate that claim. Are you able to provide a link? I'm not saying that it didn't happen, just that I searched and personally couldn't find anything regarding this.
@bravo1IsixI Your attitude of "snitching" is dangerous. It's clear you prioritise your relationship with other people over basic morality and "doing the right thing", even if it means turning your back on people who you care about who do evil things. That makes you vulnerable to manipulation and getting used by monsters like this man. It's not something to be proud of. It's dumb, brainless loyalty.
@christine robinson That's a very easy position to take when you're not the one in that situation. There's so many countless factors that play into why you wouldn't immediately call the police on your fiancé: In this case primarily the fact that you're engaged and if you're wrong about this you just permanently stained your relationship with said fiancé.
Doing the right thing is commendable, no matter how long it takes.
@with goddess just because you sucked up and always pushed it down doesn't mean everyone is so detrained when it come to crying.
I can't tell if it's fake or not but I'm being honest about that. But I'll gladly listen to your explaintion if it actually involves knowledge about how to read body language and emotions and not your gut feeling based on your experience. Otherwise your guess is as good as mine. The reason why I think it isn't is because I've seen it by other people and there was no reason why she should fake cry. The things she says are already enough but you seem to still find and excuse to make your claims.
Listen I get that when you aren't used to knowing such emotional people that it obviously looks fake. The reason I get that is because I felt like that until I got to know more people who were more sensitive. When they cried because of actual awful thing's that happened it was similar to that. I was overwhelmed and didn't know what to do. I was looking around for cameras or expected a joke but the truth is they again had no reasons to fake cry, they didn't gain anything (I already was there for them if anything I got more uncomfortable which made them apologize) and I just wasn't use to it.
@Blkeclipse L So let me get this straight... a young man was murdered, a witness, his wife, didn't see the result of the shootings, was lied to by her husband, was in a relationship with that murder who is also known for his abuse but still witnessed against him, knowing she'll also risk her own safety and got this murderer in jail, actively helping the traumatized friends and the family of the dead kid through that and all you claim is that just because some people called this part brave means they direct non of their sympathy towards the greatest victims when they are thousands of comments in this comment section who do just that?
Dude just because you happen to find a nishe part of an analysis of a murder trail people talk about doesn't mean no one is paying sympathy towards that killed child's friend's and family. In any case I do hope they are ok now and that murderer stays in jail away form the people he harmed. I wish they wouldn't have to go through this and that friend who backed away is a hero and probably saved the rest of his friends from that psycho. I hope he doesn't experience surviver guilt because he couldn't save his friend because nothing of that is his fault but that murders.
@Dom Powell I would hope my wife would testify against me as long as it's the truth if she knew I murdered someone.
Idk what would ever push me so far but the people of the person I'd murdered deserve peace and justice and whatever my sick mind would think of to excuse an murder (not self defense) I'd like to be out away because of it and she'd be helping. Yeah it probably feels bitter as much as it feels wrong that you killed a god damn person but those feelings shouldn't be an excuse for wishing to prevent someone from doing the right thing for the people who matter and need that information.
@Tech Girl Tiff we actually know that he is racist based on the letters he wrote from jail in which he wrote a lot of racist stuff and if it wasn't racism it was at least racist bios.
@That Kiwi Guy she also said he should go to the sheriff. Idk why she said "let's go home."but my guess was that she thought they'll probably look for them at their home and they should be there instead of appearing to be fleeing and going to the police that they know.
I know it's obviously better to directly go to the police but I guess that was the first thought she had when she realized what her spouse did and it was a suggestion that would more likely not cause him to get angry.
@Satou Hikou she didn't lie tho. What she said fit the evidence and what the other witnesses said. Just because someones emotion's are all over the place doesn't mean someone lies. If you want to learn hot to read and interprete someone's emotions you'll definitely have to practice a lot more!
@Luey Sixty-six Hell yes. She is putting her feeling to the side to get a dangerous person who killed an innocent teen and gets justice for his family.
She did everything right. The more concerning question is why you seem to have a problem with her obviously right decision. So obviously right that many have already rightfully pointed out that's a bare minimal everyone should have done in that situation.
@Satou Hikou the better question is why you think I'm lying. But did she say what was wrong and how did you know it was wrong is also a question that needs to be answered.
@Kino Cartoon She made the claim. That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. "Eyewitness" testimony is nothing more than hearsay.
@mychannel302 Rhonda was inside the store when the shooting took place. Dunn told her that the black men from the SUV had threatened to kill him so he shot at them before they could kill him. She was already in the car before Dunn had said anything about the shooting. This woman already had severe anxiety before this shooting & murder take place. Let's be realistic, Dunn was a very large & violent man and her worst fears came true when he killed an innocent black man over some trash-talking and a car-stereo playing loud rap music. What if Dunn heard her call the police from the motel and became enraged with anger & killed her?? Dunn was a ticking time-bomb! There is no room for error when dealing with a psychopath who has no regard for life and is more concerned about a little dog than a harmless young blackman. We used to trash-talk to each-other in the D-st.Projects, South Boston during the 70's and the only person that would kill somebody over that, was Whitey Bulger.
@Randy Lin racism requires a balance of power - financial, political, social, religious - that black people currently don't have in the world. So umm NOT racist
I completely disagree. She knew EXACTLY who he was, and was happy to aid and abet him before he got caught. He even left her alone for several hours after they got home, and yet she still didn't call the police.
Also, she was legally obligated to testify, they weren't married, so spousal privilege doesn't apply. Same applies to the interrogation. You don't get brownie points for doing the bare minimum of basic human decency, especially if it's done only after you've exhausted every other option.
@Anastacia Marchesini I agree about the probability of abusive behavior in his past toward her. I believe she was afraid of him and was only pacifying him until he's guilty verdict just in case he got set free.
@bravo1IsixI when it comes to the safety of children, there is no such thing as being a snitch. There's protecting children, or not protecting children. Even those living the code would testify in open court. So stop acting like you know anything and go back to blippi videos.
@bravo1IsixI LOL, are you part of the mob? Snitching has become such a meaningless word, it's incredibly situational. If your brother smoked weed and didn't want your parents to know. Telling them is Snitching yeah.
If your Best friend killed two people in cold blood, telling the police is the right thing to do.
More like she'd go to jail for perjury. She believed what Mike said which is why she gave such an honest interview. If she went back on what she said she would be in trouble too.
@Pax00Imperium She wasn't there when it happened. She asked what happened. Mike said he shot at the car and hit no-one. You are not going to call the police for that. That would be snitching. If she knew he actually shot that guy, it's different.
Bs. She put on an act. She should be held accountable for it calling police. She witnessed a murder and stayed quiet. She got her own attorney because would be on deep shit. She wasn’t upset at all during interrogation. I don’t by her little act for a second.
sadly, many black people especially dudes have a nihilistic approach to these cases because of how often it happens... its honestly sad. I wish the world was better.
@jaudice They are not kids, they are teenagers at the end of the spectrum 1-2 years from being adults. Had their disrespect for their elder not been at the level it was none of this would have happened. I bet they never would have spoken to a Black elder in that fashion. Racism played a role in this crime on both sides and neither admitted to it. Bad behavior with all. No, I am not making any excuses for Dunn, he was more than old enough to know and act better. He is a punk and deserves prison for taking a life over BS.
@Mark9898 dunn stated imidiately after pulling up that "he hated THUG music"- i believe he was a big racist and decided to have an unhealthy argument with these kids, make them uncomfortable for listening to their music. now, listening to music loudly is disrespectful but can be tolarated. these kids were 17-18 at the time and who knows what his demenaor was while asking them to lower the volume. they may have been angry for his behaviour and decided to keep listening to music. this is not about their disrespect. a black man would NOT get THIS angry over a music.
@Pınar Şahin I agree with some of what you wrote but the points I do not are: They were not kids, they were disrespectful, foul mouth teenagers near adulthood treating a person not of their ethnicity in a fashion I doubt they would have replicated had they been surrounded by people of their ethnicity. I think all were acting in a racial manner. It's absurd to claim no person of their ethnicity would have requested and\or told them to lower their music. In regards to "thug" music yes, it has racial overtones however thugs come in all ethnicities and nationalities so who knows. He did not request they lower the column, he said told them. Demanding is impolite and not advisable with people already disrespecting everybody within earshot. Noted: you disregard their foul language with their elder who happens not to be their ethnicity. Let's face it: none of them acted well, all were seeking a confrontation, and they all got it.
@Mark9898 I don't understand how they (teenagers) were seeking a confrontation? They were enjoying their music before Dunn even pulled up and to say they would not have refused to turn their music down for an elder of their own ethnicity is a very big assumption you have made. It is not uncommon for teenagers to be rude to pretty much everyone, doesn't warrant this kind of response. Dunn's actions are completely unjustifiable.
@Connor B93 "I don't understand how they (teenagers) were seeking a confrontation? " Blaring music in a store parking lot adjacent to other cars is obnoxious. The expectation that people that don't like to be treated obnoxiously to confront them is reasonable.
"to say they would not have refused to turn their music down for an elder of their own ethnicity is a very big assumption you have made." Agreed, and I stand by it 100%.
"It is not uncommon for teenagers to be rude to pretty much everyone" Not true.
"doesn't warrant this kind of response. " Nor did I claim it did.
"Dunn's actions are completely unjustifiable." Agreed. As are the teenagers. Proof again, "you reap what you sow".
@Mark9898 See you said you didn’t claim their actions warranted this kind of response, but then you went on to say the teenagers “reap what they sow.” Slight contradiction there.
@Connor B93 Not at all. Dunn is guilty of murder. The teenagers are guilty of being rude, foul mouthed, arrogant, disrespectful punks that led directly to the death of their friend. Being a jerk has consequences that may not result in criminal prosecution & prison. None of them acted well. Hopefully, the punks learned some lessons. Hopefully Dunn never breathes free air again.
@Mark9898 If you are an example of how “elders” act and think, elders shouldN’s be treated with respect, only disdain for how spiteful, vindictive, and ironically childish they are.
Thankfully not everyone older than me is as bloodthirsty as you.
@Clare Owens Worship your elders is the actual sentiment here. A person like this deserves no respect nor sympathy, yet he still gets it from people such as yourself.
What kills me is the fact this man spends his evening at an upscale BnB, walks his dog, enjoys some pizza and then sleeps a whole night with his fiancée while the family of that boy probably sat in silence, devastated by the loss of their son/brother/ cousin, whatever, over some music. When any person dies, particularly a young person, whose parents outlive them, there's just such a gaping hole left behind. He didn't die to cancer or in a car accident, he was murdered by a pathetic excuse for a man who then had the audacity to play himself up as the victim. He sympathises more for himself than he does for the 17-year-old boy whose life he robbed or the family who have to spend the rest of their lives with that empty space. Truly, he cannot rot in prison long enough.
His mind isn't even capable of getting to this point of empathy and I'm not sure if that's more sad ?
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You can tell Rhonda blames herself for wanting to get wine on the way back to their hotel and feels she's the one at fault for all this. But she's not the one who pulled the trigger. Michael created the situation, not her. I hope she forgives herself one day.
I think this guy really thought that he could just say he feared for his life, and they"d just let him go. He emptied a clip into a car full of innocent people, killed one, and genuinely seems surprised it didn't work.
Well this was a couple years after the Trayvon Martin trial where Zimmerman was acquitted in the exact same state. I’m pretty sure he thought he could use the stand your ground law as well. Glad he can rot now. Threw his whole life away because of loud music at a damn convenient store parking lot.
@Phil Lower True. But this is so outrageously blatant. Its like the guy isn't even trying to deny any allegations. I know, it happens all the time. But this one was on camera,. Uploaded on YouTube, and linked in my "recommended". So that's what I'm commenting on.
it's made clear during the interview he attempted in futility to reason that a barrel was poking out the car or a "stick"
it's only after that was shot down due to not even a your gun or water gun being found in the car that he had to rely on the "I feared for my life" argument
@Kuro True true. I wasn't being detailed when explaining, but I don't really think I needed to be. Its pretty clear I was commenting on his general attitude.
And I agree, his story was ridiculous. I just wasn't necessarily referring to that part specifically.
poor Rhonda was shaking like a leaf the entire time she was on the stand, and you can tell she feels so guilty about what happened and how she thinks this is her fault because she wanted a bottle of wine. She's truly a good person and I wish i could give her a hug.
That’s a true innocent person on the stand and how someone should act when confronted with this situation. Michael is a prime example of a guilty narcissist who can’t comprehend personal responsibility enough to show remorse for their actions
@Bash 916 how can you judge someone by 3 minutes of collective footage? This definitely seems like a racially motivated killing but you can't blame the fiance for the guys actions. The mere fact that she didn't help him by confirming his lies about the gun mention shows you she is an honest person
Silence is violence she at sat home with him knowing he was a violent racist that’s not something a good person would do I hope she loses her medical license. when you become a nurse you swear on oath to protect those in harm and she failed to do that
@sksk She probably always told herself that "Oh it's not that bad, he's actually a good guy". Aka lying to herself, hiding from a hard to swallow truth Multiple times in the video you can hear Mike say something like "love of my life" or telling her he loves her etc. It's incredibly difficult seeing someone's true self if you feel loved and appreciated
So I don't think she was silent just very passive and ignorant. From what I saw she seems to never share any of his beliefs and she very obviously is disturbed and traumatised by what he's done. She explains the situation as unbiased as possible
She even seems to be putting the guilt on herself for wanting to buy a bottle of wine. She cannot handle the idea that the man she wants to spend the rest of her life with is a disgusting horrible monster
I can understand that you and others would consider her a guilty member for not speaking up, though I disagree with that statement BUT I believe you are completely and utterly wrong for saying she should get her license taken away "cuz she wasn't a good person" Every day she was a good person. The problem is she showed that kindness to a horrible racist rather than someone worthy. Yet she thought he was
She probably sees now how wrong she was about him and that must be completely destroying her
Don't let yourself get distracted, concentrate on the disgusting creature whose fault it really is
@sksk What is funny is these same sorts of people that rationalize the fact that a "good person" would socialize and even maintain several year old relationships with open white supremist are the first ones to demonize anyone who does not automatically denounce and/or is associated with preachers like Farrakhan and hardline second amendment civil rights groups or any individual who is a pro black who rejects the 1950s pacifism and civility politics. Americans are full of it. They are comfortable with bigotry, just different degrees. They are only truly disturbed by it once someone does a horrible murder. They are not disturbed by hate just death. To compare african american boys to animals is just a "opinion" to them.
It's very telling when everyone has several white friends who each have certain family members you can't be around because they are racist, it is pathetic. There is a serious cultural issue with accepting white supremist in social circles instead of outright shunning them and making them feel unsafe in a society that is supposed to be civilized and decent.
@Share it happens man. Humans are like that. I don't know shit about this case but the guy doesn't appear to be a neonazi type. He's your everyd6, average racist...maybe a little more vocal. Lots of us has family like that and we love or at least tolerate them. If he's an put and out white supremacist, participates on marches etc then you'd have a point. But he didn't seem to be and maybe his views only came out occasionally. And she prob wrote them off bc she was on love with him. That's what happens with a lot of red flags unfortunately.
@Sean Damon II twitter is literally just basic social media lmao, its where half of all other social media platforms get its content, especially instagram lmao
@Zerzavy I'm not talking about the platform or the people behind it, I'm talking about the people that use it. Seriously, it's amazing how bad of a time you can have by just browsing twitter for an hour. It sucks, because a lot of the people that use it suck
@Zerzavy I mean the people that own the actual platform. Not those who have it installed on their phone, the people that made it. I don't have a problem with them
Poor Ronda poor Ronda blah blah blah why are all the comments like this I’ve seen one or two talking about the child that died White women tears are worth more than a black child’s life
I completely get it, I always confuse shotguns with sticks... I get traumatized every time I go for a walk in the woods because I'm constantly wondering if the trees are about to blow me away..
Me too brother. I went to the timber yard a few weeks ago, I looked to my wife and said “what’s with all the shotguns everywhere, are you sure we’re at the right place?”
Right. I always wondered how he went from it being the barrel of a shotgun to a stick. Those are 2 completely different things. The fact that they didn’t find anything in the car that could even resemble a shotgun let’s you know that this guy just made it up cause he thought it would help get him off. He honestly believed that if he just said I thought I saw a gun that that would somehow make it ok to kill someone. This guy deserves every day he spends in prison
@swingshift yeah 17 with nothing but a truancy at high school. Neither of his friends in the vehicle. Maybe you missed that part of the interrogation huh? jackazz!
@Carl Panzram Dude. No matter what country. 17yo is a kid. You cant call yourself an adult before you turn at least 24. And if someone get offended about it that means they are not there yet and when they turn like 25yo, they whill think that when they were even 23 or what ever, they were still just a child. Legal system may judge you as an adult but your brain is not finished before you turn 24, and it will show if you have any self understanding
@Kaia Carter no, you wouldn’t just call them a child... 17 is young but child would be like 10 or younger. Teenagers aren’t children, they’re teens and adolescents.
@Carl Panzram Yes I, a 17 year old male who only plays star wars the old republic and likes staring at the clouds am the most aggressive and dangerous a person could possibly be.
@Carl Panzram you know what’s more aggressive than a 17 year old who can’t legally own a gun let alone hasn’t even reached their adult height or mindset, a grown man who’s lived his whole life as a narssacist in possession of weapon who thinks is entitled to everything. That person is truly the most dangerous the one with a gun demanding something they want, so take a step back Carl and look at what you just said.
Big props to the driver, Tommie Stornes, for reacting so quickly. Not only did he manage to J-turn while under gunfire. He also drove back around to the scene, which is important, because the witnesses and other people there could help them, call 911 for medical help, and give a full report to law enforcement. His quick thinking and bravery likely saved the rest of them from being injured or killed. He managed all this while his friend, Jordan Davis, was shot and bleeding to death. The injustice of his murder will be remembered. Rest in peace Jordan Davis.
Exactly. Think about it. Someone is unloading a clip at you - I think most people would've froze or cowered even for a few seconds. Perhaps even get out of the car and bolt or use it as a shield.
This kid manages to put the car in reverse while under fire - then put it in forward gear and get the hell out of there. He saved lives that night.
I honestly dont know how I wouldve reacted especially as an inexperienced teenaged driver. I probably wouldve forgotten where the damn shift was located.
Yep amazing presence of mind to do that under fire when 17. Saved lives, and still has to live with the horrors of watching a friend bleed to death over 40 seconds. Jesus christ this man disgusts me.
@UndergroundRap subscribe Be careful about how willing you are to propogate stereotypes, even if they hold true to yourself. Also from what I know, many Asian countries have laxer driving rules than in the U.S., which is probably why theres a bad driving standard. But I also know Asian immigrants who take the rules very seriously, and I know someone who immigrated here in 2002, bought their first car and had that same car for 15+ years, without so much as a speeding ticket. It all depends on a person's attitude and willingness for the rules.
Just teenagers out on a Saturday night. This guy wasn't even local . at the beginning he was going to report the incident to his local police. Just passing through kind of homicide
Very well said. I'm so glad the wife didn't try to defend him... He killed a child for nothing... Taking 10 seconds before shooting more? He wasnt defending himself. He was hunting young black men.
May I ask what do you mean by injustice? He got 90 years in prison, he's gonna die behind bars. Seems like justice was served. Just confused by that point
How come every time a black person gets killed, it's called an 'injustice'? Every murder not in self-defense is an injustice because life is lost, however justice WAS served as this dude got life in jail without the possibility of parole.
Watched this video a couple times and always check out what’s going on in the comments. This shit right here… I don’t know why it made me so emotional but fucking yes. Every bit of that. I couldn’t even imagine being in that situation but to have that kind of clarity amid so much chaos… I don’t even have words.
"These fucking thugs, all they know is pull a gun on people on the street for no reason at all other than someone getting close to their ego or their inhumane sensibilities." -A well behaved citizen
It was so incredibly satisfying seeing the detectives defend the black young men, and totally demolishing this asshole’s “they’re black and violent” defense. Being black and listening to rap music does not automatically mean we are violent or thugs. I don’t know which is worse, the fact that he thought he was going to weasel his way out of this, or that he thought he would outsmart the detectives with his lies.
You can totally see the look on he racists face at 36:16 when he hears that the kids werent criminals and had no criminal record. Its like at that moment it just then occurs to him that they were just teenagers being teenagers.
Hes waiting for the cops to say they were criminals and then the cops tell them that none of them have a record and he kinda does a surprised half nod.
So its pretty obvious he saw young black guys playing hip hop loudly and his racist beliefs kicked off and those innocent teens got shot. Nothing else but pure racism - stereotypes about young black guys.
Im so glad the detectives called him on it instead of letting it slide because hes an "upstanding citizen white man being terrified by the scary black male teenagers" as he so desperately tried to portray himself.
@child of cascadia It comes down to presentation. Thug life is criminality. When anyone sees any person of any ethnic persuasion present as a thug listening to this stuff, the guard goes up. In Dunn's case it was his only real opportunity to create a narrative after his short fuse ended the rest of his life.
He never made that argument, you inferred that on top without any clear evidence exhibiting exactly the kind of prejudice you accuse him of. Was he in the wrong in the case? Obviously yes and got his due for that justly.
What Kind of people are you hanging with? ?? Its not only basic human decency , its basic common sense since it would bei idiotic to lie in front of a judge. She does the normal thing and you people are in awe for that. Makes me wonder. Also, she was engaged to that human. She had no problem with his values until it came to this. Most people I know would tell the truth here. For the above mentioned reasons. Get some new friends, have different standards maybe?
@Bobo Hobo Dude you don't know me so don't even try. I was just talking about in the situation she was married to a most people seem to go with the ride or die thing.
@Lee Davies of course he did nothing wrong. The world is so much safer now thanks to the brave actions of the music police. I'll be sure to let everyone know regardless of the type of music you like don't ever play it loud enough to offend anyone or you might lose your life by the hands of the music police.
Narcissists actually perceive things in a manner that makes them the victim or makes them less at fault. You can literally be doing nothing, minding your own business, and a narcissist can imagine you threatening them in some way. That’s my mother and father. So I know it’s true.
A great documentary about this case is “3 1/2 minutes 10 bullets” It’s all there, interviews with Jordan’s family and friends paint a picture of a typical teenager. Non- violent, good kid, not a thug as the defendant assumed. Interviews after the crime with police, neighbors of Dunn and even more eye opening jail house phone calls between he and Rhonda. It’s no surprise he’s a racist but to hear him spell it out during these phone calls? He dug his own grave!! If you’re interested in this case it’s a must see. I do hope Rhonda has found some peace, she did the right thing. 💜
That woman, his ex-fiance, is one hell of a strong woman. Not too many people would be able to do what she did for the sake of having justice on a stranger's behalf.
Thats whats wrong with this world, there was only 1 choice for her, and everyone faced with the decision of telling the truth or a lie, THE CORRECT CHOICE: ALWAYS TELL THE TRUTH.
@SubCulture _Vulture Sure, that's a lovely sentiment, but it's not reality. Rhonda was able to tell the truth here bc she's a nurse & not dependent on the defendant. I've tried cases where people feel unable to tell the truth against a defendant either bc they depend on him for money or it will jeopardize their life or the lives of others in their family
A few questions you might want to be prepared for, are you a creature of habit? Does change upset you? Do you feel like you need patterns in your daily routine? how do you handle conflict? Do you feel the need to join niche groups as a way to justify/validate your own feeling of exclusion from society? Sometimes the worst thing we can do is purposely enter an echo chamber.
@cody davis Could I recommend you a nice christian band? My 13 year old loves skillet. They are hardcore while still staying true to jesus, you can hear the religious subtext in their lyrics!
@Cody Davis The guy you are responding to, likes World of warcraft, anime, the simpsons, and skillet..... I don't know the definition of a neet, just kidding I do, but I think you are being tricked. You are siding with the nutjob......he still lives at home... I did a quick search And found every youtube comment he ever made, using that I was able to figure out where he lives, and narrow down the different cody davis's on social media. He made his youtube email private, so likely that was his most commonly used email, once I got that you can find so many sites he has signed up for. The funny thing is, you forget some of the things you have said online. Sometimes you say things that narrow down where you live. Love from St petersburg.
Someone died, and if you lie only to benefit yourself, that's disgusting. Sure it might be harder to tell the truth in circumstances. But it reflects more in who you are as a person and not what you're going through. To her, her fiance almost died that day... but something much worse then death
I totally agree with you but in all honesty i wouldn't try to cover up the murder of a congresswoman's only child either... that shit gets a little assassiny...
@Scarlet I understand what youre saying but i think her being financially independent had anything to do with why she told the true. I think she told the truth because she's just that kind of person. The fact that she is a nurse is more indicative of the fact that she is a moral human being.
The prosecution may have put some pressure on Rhonda. After all, she was technically an accessory to murder when she fled the scene and then the city with him and made no attempt to report the shooting or to encourage him to do so, and very possibly would have kept it secret forever if other witnesses hadn't seen their license plate. It's not much but it'd be enough to convince her to testify in exchange for immunity.
@Ryan McBride I was thinking the same about her just leaving the scene of a shooting incident and fleeing the city after it became clear, someone has died. I think she got very lucky / the police was very understanding of her situation. But since they apparently never discussed any defense plan before being interrogated separately (!) by the police, there was absolutely no way to come up with a story that would have helped him.
Saying that she's "strong" for testifying sounds true enough but it also implies that she'd be "weak" for not testifying, which I don't think would be the case. If the detectives put the screws on her saying she would go to jail unless she testified against her man, and she said "fuck you, I ain't no snitch."... that's weakness? Nah. That would make her kinda a badass in a way. What did she risk by taking the stand? Michael Dunn going to call his homies from the software company? Is she in witness protection now?
I mean she certainly did the right thing getting justice for the victim's family; without her testimony that he had never mentioned a weapon, there may have been reasonable doubt that the men in the red truck could have threatened him with a weapon and gotten rid of it before the cops showed up. Perhaps the charges would have been dropped to manslaughter and reckless endangerment and he'd be out in a couple of years on good behavior. I think Rhonda was just rightfully disgusted with what had happened plus possibly facing her own charges, so what she did was relatively easy.
no the fuck she's not, she fled the scene right with him and it seems coddled his racism for a long time. the only reason she decided to get "justice on a strangers behalf" was to avoid getting charges of her own
What do you mean not many people would do that? Be honest?! I’m seriously wondering. I may be sheltered living in ND my whole life lol, but is the consensus REALLY that this genuinely wonderful woman is in a small population of people who would be honest in a court setting? Who would lie for this situation? Why would she? Lie in Court for what? I don’t know why this is too much for me lol 😆 Is humanity as a whole really that debased that they would lie in court to protect their partner for murdering another human? I’d love statistics, but then maybe not :(
@Luis Ramirez At the very beginning of the video on his call with Rhonda he says "but they're violent" and in context there is only one reasonable interpretation of "they". Beyond that you can clearly see how he fabricated an imaginary threat so he could execute someone and feel self-righteous about it. That delusion doesn't come up randomly or as a product of mental illness, it's a consequence of his beliefs. Don't get me wrong, it's not enough to charge him with a hate crime, but it's also obviously his hatred that motivated him to kill. He's absolutely remorseless.
@Luis Ramirez Yeah that's why he's going to spend the rest of his life in jail. It's difficult to believe how blinded some people can be by their own hatred but here we are.
@Abe Buckingham yeah he is spending his life in jail but the kid he shot lost his life maybe if he wouldn't have started yelling bad words at the guy none of this would've happened..
@Luis Ramirez Right, and if the guy didn't start the confrontation he wouldn't have gotten yelled at, but that was his plan. He incited the confrontation so he play out his racist fantasy of killing some thugs in self-defense. This wasn't 2nd degree murder, it was 1st. He planned this.
@Luis Ramirez If you really care just go watch the trial. That's what I did. It was literally days worth of information and you didn't get the whole picture here.
@Luis Ramirez oOoOoOOoor, hear me out! The guy should've just drove away with his wife after she got done buying what she was buying. I don't know why you're defending this murderer so hard, it sounds like you wanna marry him or something
Her being stuck alone with him is probably why she didn't call the police. He doesn't seem like a reasonable person at best and at worst he's cold and abusive. She was alone with a murderer for a long time.
If JCS videos have taught me anything, it is this: never ever ever ever feel the need to explain yourself in a police interrogation room. Say absolutely nothing to the police and request an attorney immediately.
@KvngCobra of course, but one day you could be one of those unlucky ones and get falsely accused because you were at the wrong place at the wrong time.
I actually really appreciated Rhonda’s testimony. It was so refreshing to see the behavior of an honest witness on this channel, and it stood out so much after watching guilty people try to fake it.
@jumpinjohnnyruss good point haha—everyone in the comments is agreeing with me! I didn’t mean it as if I was saying something controversial, but more like: “I expected to be more focused on the murderer’s interrogation, but instead I got to witness an honest person’s testimony, and I was actually more interested in that part.” Rereading my comment, though, it does sound like I was implying that most people wouldn’t appreciate her testimony.
He admitted guilt and the intent to kill without self defense being at play the very moment he left the scene and went home to make his run and coke. It's possible things could have played out how we said they did, but they didn't and the proof is that he left the scene, which in it's self is a crime..
@Eagle Fang Sports who are you even arguing with?.. total difference between dating someone "rough around the edges" and a violent racist. regardless, no one is even blaming her for not knowing. even if testifying against him was the bare minimum, sometimes we don't even get that and it's refreshing that she did.
@Garrett Davis I think she knew. Her reply to his comment about how he "hates that thug music" was "I know". She knew and clearly did not care for it but wasn't confident enough to stand up for her beliefs against Michael, which honestly I understand.
It looked painful for her to tell the truth. She probably still cares about him and knew her testimony would damage his defense. Probably took her a while to accept that her fiancee was not the gentle, gallant, honest man he pretended to be.
You'd think there would be some kind of loyalty to the man she supposedly loved. I'm not saying he was right nor am I saying she should have lied but she could have handled it differently. It's common for females to throw loyalty out the window at the slightest discomfort. Remember this young men, never pit yourself in a situation where your life depends on her loyalty.
@Ollie Foxx This wasn't a slight discomfort. Her fiance killed someone, she did it perfectly, I don't get what did you expected her to do. If I love someone and he results to be a killer, that's not the person I thought I loved! She doesn't own him anything
@Mora A. She could have handled this differently and still have done her due diligence. They didn't just meet, they were engaged after knowing each other FOR YEARS. They were ENGAGED. Why did this software engineer snap? What was going on in his life or past that could have explained it? Had he ever shown this type of behavior in the past? Did she bother trying to help his attorney AT ALL? It's rare for a female to show true loyalty. That's a fact. It's a weakness of character. You're just underscoring my point. Yes, he killed someone. Yes, he deserved punishment. Yes, she testified AGAINST her FIANCE. What did she do at all to help the person she supposedly loved?
@Non Ya EXACTLY All the young guys reading the comments. She dated this guy for YEARS. Was going to marry him. She KNEW how he was by that time. She could have been more loyal. All these women praising her are one bad day away from being as disloyal as her.
@Non Ya Same here. Loyalty is had to find now a days. It's like looking for a ruby in a landfill. When or if a man ever finds a good woman he better treat them well. Just read the comments of all these ladies that actually think they're the rubies amongst the crap...no one wants that
@Ollie Foxx I don't think your hangups over women being disloyal are comparable to a women telling her honest account of a crime. Clearly you're projecting here. How could she tell the truth without being disloyal as you say she is? And then to say women who think that her telling the truth was a good thing are also not loyal? And therefore these strangers you don't even know are crap? What? How do you even know that? It seems more like you're pushing your agenda of how you feel about women onto a case that has like, nothing to do with that And also being with someone for years doesn't mean you know they'll commit murder? There are lots of murder cases where friends and family are in utter disbelief that the perpetrator did what they did. It's not her fault for being in a relationship with someone who eventually committed a crime, it's not usually outwardly obvious someone will end up doing that kind of thing I don't think loyalty is as hard to find as you seem to think it is, it's clear you have a warped view on women and they can probably tell that
@Ollie Foxx I’m confused. What could she have done to be viewed as “loyal” in your eyes? Is she disloyal because she told the truth during questioning?
She was locked in to her original statement. Changing her story would put her at risk of a perjury charge. I do agree with you that she seemed to me to just be an honest person.
@e- w- 🙄🙄🙄 In your rush to point fingers and virtue signal you forgot to actually read my posts. Some of you have the minds of children. She knew this man for years and was his fiance. Instead of having his back and trying to figure out what happened to cause this guy to snap she turned on him and helped the cops. By being loyal to him thats not condoning what he did. She should have tried to understand why he did it and how she could help him through it. All you gals cheering for her only confirms the stereotype that a loyal woman is as rare as hens teeth. There are loyal women but all the comments supporting her betrayal show how shallow most of you are.
@e- w- Look at you. Ranting like a mad person. You're making excuses and strawman arguments to justify your shallow character. That woman never said a word about him abusing her. They were happy and in love till she asked him to stop and get her more wine. He wasn't a drinker, had been drinking at a wedding and as a result did a terrible thing. He was definitely in the wrong. You don't throw your fiance under the bus at the first bad experience. She should have helped him get through the bad time. I'm not saying they should have stayed together but she should have at least done more. I guarantee youre one of those, "If he can't love me at my worst he doesn't deserve me at me best." kind of gals. You definitely expect your significant other to have your back. It works both ways.
@e- w- "....ending up on watch lists"...WHAT?! So having a different opinion than your is enough to put me on some kind of list? Only a raging Karen says things like that. So you're the type to report your parents and associates (Karen's don't have friends) to the authorities for things you don't like. The more you post the crazier you sound. I see now you are the kind of person that's loyal to no one or nothing. Talking about watch lists is what crazy people say.
Speaking of Rhonda, why on earth is she pixelated (pixated? pixled? pixified?) in the police interrogation? She's an adult, she's on full display in the courtroom, she's a witness; what's the purpose?
@Mattias Lundkvist I was wondering that, too. My best guess is that the creator scavenged the video from a different source, like a news broadcast, where the video was already pixelated since the case was still ongoing. My guess is the creator didn’t pixelate the footage. But I’m just spitballin’ ☺️
@Garrett Davis I disagree. She knew EXACTLY who he was, and was happy to aid and abet him before he got caught. He even left her alone after it happened, and yet she still didn't call the police. She was legally obligated to testify, they weren't married so spousal privilege doesn't apply. It was this, or get arrested for perjury. You don't get brownie points for doing the bare minimum of basic human decency, especially if it's done only after you've exhausted every other option.
@Ollie Foxx "point fingers and virtue signsl".....REALLY? You just made "woman" a category of pejorative, yet THEY'RE pointing fingers and being holierthan thou
@Garrett Davis I feel like she was abused in the relationship, she says when she’s been questioned by the cops “I was thinking in my head, why the hell would you do this? Why did you do it? But I didn’t wanna tell that to my husband because he already looked upset.” I’m sure he would abuse her sometimes too or just wasn’t treated right
If anyone's wondering why Dunn drove home to turn himself in to his hometown sheriff instead of surrendering in Jacksonville, it's likely because he thought his local sheriff would take his side and run interference for him. Now this was a stupid notion on Dunn's part since the crime didn't take place in his home county, so his sheriff couldn't have helped even if he had wanted to. Who knows, maybe if this had happened in Dunn's home county, he might never have even been charged for this.
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Indeed. Does Mr Dunn strike you as an astrophysicist? I think Dumb is Dunn's status quo, alas.
Honestly, you are making some wild assumptions here. Do you know the Sheriff of Jacksonville? I highly doubt any officer would ignore the evidence and take Dunn's side. Beside that, I highly doubt he ever intended to contact the police in the first place. Him stating that he drove home to contact his local sheriff was just an excuse to explain why he drove home. The real reason he drove home is probably because he hoped he wouldn't get caught.
@OmgPotatoButt 1. Dunn was from Brevard County, not Duval County (where Jacksonville is and where the crime occurred). 2. If you "highly doubt any officer would ignore the evidence and take Dunn's side", you've most likely never lived in Florida, or most any place in the South. This was just a few months after George Zimmerman killed Trayvon Martin in Seminole Co. (next to Brevard). Zimmerman was only arrested and charged weeks later after a national outcry. Initially, police didn't even question Zimmerman. Instead, they performed a toxicology screening on Martin, the victim. Maybe that's not enough to convince you that Dunn likely would have had every reason to expect kid glove treatment had the crime occurred in his home county. If not, then there's not much more to be said on the subject.
@Libbathegreat Trayvon Martin was a kid who made some terrible choices and sadly he chose the wrong one to attack that night. RIP to Martin but Zimmerman wasn’t in the wrong either to be honest.
I really hope Rhonda is doing well and is married/soon to be married to someone who doesn’t have a heart filled with evil. She really does deserve the best.
I mean, at the end of the day he opened fire on innocent teens because he didn't like their music. And usually you'd expect some level of accountability or empathy for the lives and families of those who killed/traumatised, yet all he does is justify his actions and paint himself as the allmighty good.
Sad thing is I'm guessing he was a prick while asking them to turn the radio down which started it all from there. If you are respectful and kind with a tiny request like turn your music down 99.9% of people will oblige. I feel horrible for the teen that lost his life. The driver reacting and immediately reversing to protect them all was the perfect thing to do. I'm happy they got this bastard.
He parked next to them because he wanted a confrontation. The witness did what any reasonable person would have done, parked a few spots down. But he chose to park right next to the car full of black kids blasting music. He knew exactly what he was doing.
Exactly, what I hear from a lot of 2A lovers such as myself is the best way to defend yourself is to not put yourself in a situation where you need to.
Honestly, if I had pulled up like Witness No. 7, I would have done the same thing he did - just park away from the loud music. The music isn't hurting anyone, it's just not something I need overtaking the entirety of my senses, no matter who's playing it. Personally, I listen to classical and opera, but I don't feel the need to force everyone around me to hear it. So, I just avoid stuff I don't like. It really does sound like he intentionally pulled up next to the guys, thinking "these guys are thugs but I have a gun and I can take them out before they can start anything". So then HE starts something, knowing his gun's right there. It makes me sick. I know people have already commented this, but I'm just so disgusted by that uppity, condescending look on his face..."i'm the victim". Honestly. What a dick.
@DezertFox I am quite confident I dealing with someone that hasn’t ever ventured out into the real world nor experienced how some drunken humans can be.
@DezertFox bizarrely, I am becoming drawn to your arguments and the way in which you word them. My rebuttal would be that you too cannot determine whether your viewpoint is correct.
However, I do admit I was the one that indulged the op in their viewpoint therefore I was the one that made an assumption.
It isn’t beyond the realm of possibility; I have seen those behaviours before but that is a morsel of humanity and not indicative of the whole.
@Timewind That's why I said here that this kid created the situation in the first place. He could have just turned the music down and he'd be alive. Dunn deserves his sentence and was unjustifiable, but this kid opened the door for his own death. A lesson to people in how to behave in society, avoid trouble.
Rhonda not lying for her husband is honestly really nice to see. she didn’t seem to lie or downplay the situation ever to save her fiancé from getting a harsher sentence. even when she talks to him on the phone she doesn’t just give in to what he wants to hear. that’s really... like... you don’t see that often.
It feels a lot like their relationship was abusive. The way she describes that he was already angry and she didn't want to ask any questions over the next 24 hours really says she has been walking on egg shells. This event gave her the space to be on her own after he was arrested and finally realise her situation. It's a shame that someone had to be murdered for her to get out of that situation.
She told him that they needed to leave town right away and head home after she saw the news. Why not talk him in to turning himself in? Leaving was her idea
Yeah she’s called “genuine” she never once stated anything with any motives she just wants to be honest. It’s so rare that she stands out. In a world of casual misinformation
she told in her interrogation that Michael never said anything about a gun, if she would lie in court saying he did, there would be proof she would be lying under oath and get her in trouble as well
You can see during one of her interviews that she takes a second to consider whether or not she should lie to protect her fiance, and she pretty quickly decides she HAS to tell the truth. Props to her.
@Lilly Rose I think you bring up a fair point. Imagine though you just learn, after you hear from your fiance that no one got hurt and now you're suddenly learning that's completely wrong, isn't it reasonable that you want to both deny this new reality (because it's someone you love and you want to trust you have good judgement on people you love) and try to go about normal while also trying to process this as the truth? She states in the interview that she on the way home was just in a sort of state of shock. The other thing too, they definitely got their plates, so they know where they lived, so it'd be reasonable if trying to not accept this and to hide from it to go anywhere else BUT home.
Still, in the trial, she still called herself his fiance and that just...for someone that was being honest from the get go with the police? She's doing herself a true disservice.
you don't see that often?!!! im pretty sure the cases where a partner stays silent on such an extreme incident is quite rare, likely if the husband is very controlling or abusive.
@sad pee im not expert of usa system, but almost in all EU system, parents and nearest relatives - can chiose to not testify. And yes, with a word like "i saw a gun" and an attorney that know what he is doing, this man would be free and not sentence for life wothiut parole
@Tehzeeb Ali save her skin from what? She didn’t commit any crimes. She’s on video as being in the gas station when the shooting happened. The only “crime” she may have done was failure to report a crime...
Glad to see a nurse with her heart in the right place. She knew her fiance was a moron and completely in the wrong for escalating the situation... if the loud music was something he enjoyed, he probably wouldn't have said anything. Sounds like he had more than just a few drinks based on his behavior and comments though
@Lilly Rose no you don’t tell that to a racist, probably sexist serial killer. He’s an angry man and it’s not her job to get him to turn himself in. At least she got him home where the police know he lives.
@Silvano In the US you only only have the right to not testify against yourself or a spouse. They weren't technically married yet, just engaged, so she wouldn't have that right.
@Fungigi that is not true lmfao. People deal with trauma in different ways. It's completely impossible to speculate on whether someone has been sexually abused unless they display behaviours associated with it. A voice is not that. Where did you read that complete nonsense. Source: I work with children who experience CSA.
@Lilly Rose she’s honest about that. There’s no dissembling. I think we can allow her 24 hours of not knowing what the fuck to do. Also remember- at that point it was just her and him. And listen to her grey rocking him on the phone call. She’s used to managing his temper.
@Jazza BigHits don’t shoot teenagers for no damn reason. Don’t hold a gun to you’re wives heads in domestic disputes. Don’t threaten them with deportation. Be a man worthy of loyalty. This man deserves worse than he got, long before he committed his final crime. Men who menace woman should be barred from ever touching a gun. Women are always the first to know what a man is.
@Jordan Cedillo you want me to show proof for OP having no proof? prove a negative claim. if he asserts something as fact and i contest it, the burden of proof is on him. not me. it lies on the one making the statements to prove it not on the ones hearing the statement to disprove it.
I can't believe how heartless this guy is about killing a kid yet he chokes up when talking about his dog? I'm guessing he realized he'd never see it again
All I'm picturing is this young boy's mother getting the news that her baby boy was shot because his car music was too loud.
What an awful man, he seems to have no remorse either... And his poor fiancé too, she's showing such incredible humanity here, not hiding anything and cooperating fully.
glad they were smart and acted fast, my deepest sympathies for jordan and the trauma they experienced. the way young black men are seen by people like him infuriates me, the ones that raised me are the kindest men I know and have had to actively break the stereotypes for small minded people
I feel like since most of them were brought in not as a suspect, they didn’t want to appear guilty or suspicious. So they chose to lie their asses off as a “witness” instead of getting an attorney. Requiring an attorney would just paint them as having something to hide
@Christina Nie yeah it seems like that logically but remember anything you say can be held against you-therefore anything you don't say can't be held against you
@Christina Nie Thing is, they don't read you your Miranda rights unless you're a suspect. This was pointed out in one of the other videos. The whole purpose of them is that "hey, you look pretty sus, so we got our eye on you, and you might wanna watch what you say." The fact they're somehow oblivious to that, in each of these videos, is exactly why they're warned in the first place. It's the cops' way of saying "well, we tried, but you still wanted to implicate yourself so... have fun with that"
@Olivia I agree, but I have a question about this. Do you say nothing to any police? Do you ask for a lawyer as soon as a police asks you any questions? what if you're a witness to something and they ask? Should I lawyer up for that as well? Do you only ask for a lawyer if they say you're arrested? idk at what point you should lawyer up. Is it when youre told the Miranda rights?
@pvic You should ask for an attorney immediately and don't answer any questions. If a police officer wants to bring you in for interrogation ask for a lawyer even if you're a witness. Detectives will always try to twist your words and incriminate you, it's their job.
@Olivia Thank you! ok so its at the point where they're taking you in for questioning then? Because what if the scenario is there was a crash and they ask you, on the road, what happened? If I answer quickly, I could save a life, but if I ask for a lawyer.. idk. So I guess in this scenario, if they formally take me for questioning/interrogation, thats when I ask for a lawyer, but random questions are ok?
@pvic yea. It really depends on the scenario lol. If they're bringing you into an interrogation room they are def trying to incriminate you or find your lies and thats when you need an attorney
@Olivia lol maybe the best thing to do is ask for a lawyer every time no matter what haha. me: I want a lawyer police: im just telling you your tail light it out me: ...
Sometimes You have to kill someone in self defence but that’s not the point of self defence and when someone is killed in self defence shootings it tends not to be shooting at someone who’s fleeing. If someone’s fleeing they aren’t currently a threat and if they turn around to attack you again you save bullets by not shooting a fleeing “attacker” because if they flee then you are safe plus they are more likely to survive if you don’t shoot them while they are fleeing. And even if they decide to attack you again you still have bullets left or if someone else attacks you. My point is their is almost no reason to shoot a fleeing person in self defence.
@Will Russell your response is what investigators call defensive. This is a tactic suspects use when confronted with the possibility that the police may have uncovered more evidence than they have revealed.
@pvic always ask if you're being detained, always ask for a lawyer, and if they ask you questions before your lawyer arrives, always answer with "I plead the fifth." the best thing you can do for yourself.
"Life is extremely stress free when you don't kill people". Weird take tbh. Seems like you are empathizing with the stress of the killers being interrogated? Also just objectively untrue, there is a lot of more stressful things then that. At least in this situation they know they have access to food water and shelter still. What about the stress of someone who is struggling to even meet those basic needs? I'm not trying to be rude or anything, but I just feel like you shouldn't throw around big statements like that when they aren't very true.
“Officer, I respect that you have to ask these questions, and I would like to assist you with your investigation. However, I would prefer speaking with an attorney before we move forward.”
@Marina Gaul lol. Life IS extremely stress free of you don't go around kill people.. And for your opinion, you don't have the right to decide for anybody of what is "very true" and not.
If I go thru life without killing anybody it will mean a less stressful life. Even if I live a shit life already where I can barely push thru on a daily basis in terms of providing myself with food and water, life will ALWAYS be less stressful of you don't kill...
@pvic Yeah, generally ask for a lawyer when police want to ask you any questions about ANYTHING other than an immediate situation that is happening, like if you saw someone shot in front of you and the police arrive in 5 minutes. If the crime happened longer than an hour ago, lawyer up. It can't hurt. The reality of the American justice system is that it prioritizes money over justice, so innocent people are imprisoned all the time.
@Olivia Many people, including myself, understand what you're saying. These guys just want to "jerk your chain" a little. It's literally common sense. If you are completely not affiliated in any capacity, and you're literally just a bystander and WANT to give witness testimony, you can choose wether to do so or not. If you're more involved or get yourself involved by stepping into a situation, always ask for a lawyer. Especially in the case of death. You can politely say that "I don't wish to answer any questions until I have a lawyer present to ensure my safety and rights. I am requesting a lawyer and I'm evoking my 5th amendment right to remain silent".
This video is a good example of when to get a lawyer. All of the videos on this channel are. Getting pulled over for basic traffic offenses and asking for a lawyer is ridiculous, but it's your right. It's ALWAYS your right with LEO's.
@Julian Gonzalez I get what you are trying to say, but profesor of law James Duane highlights Salinas vs. Texas in his book in the chapter "Don't plead the fifth". So that answer " I plead the fifth" could be problematic, and is inferior to asserting your right to counsel.
@Darkch4o5 agreed, but still..don't talk to the police without an attorney. Guilty till proven innocent.. always let them know you invoke the fifth and stay silent..
My friend after an altercation just recently had someone on the street shoot to bullets at his car then drive off. He ran his car into them to try and save himself then they drove off. Thankfully no one was killed but his front bumper fell off.
@Christina Nie. That is what they want people to think. There are enough innocent people who are incarcerated by mistake that there are many movies and tv shows about it. Not all law enforcement are as competent as the ones in these videos.
I would suggest the only thing you should ask is if you are under arrest, if they respond with a yes, the meeting is over. If they say no, the meeting is over.
Everyone wants to be helpful if they are innocent, that is admirable and helpful. Some cops may be lazy or feel pressure to get a conviction, you just never know.
@Christina Nie The lack of saying anything is not admissible in court unless they are intentionally omitting information that they have already agreed to disclose. Having an attorney present, while it might seem suspicious, is not a valid reason whatsoever to paint you as guilty. Even remotely.
This guy was a guilty trash ball and I’m glad he didn’t think to lawyer up early on. That said, yeah lol even if you have nothing to hide and you’re completely innocent you should always talk to a lawyer immediately. “Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law” does not in any way guarantee “and might also help you if you say something that proves you aren’t guilty of anything”
That's what u got from this. Maybe be a decent person whose doesn't commit even small crimes let alone murder might be the better thing to take away from this
True, but based on the fact that they arrested him the next day there was too much evidence against him. They would have been able to convict him even if he refused to talk. Also I think it’s sooooo hard for people to shut up thinking they will be able to get empathy and sway the cops. Also they figure the guilty person is the one who lawyers upright away.
boggles my mind that this guys knows he had killed someone (seen it on the TV), yet he did NOT think that he was in serious enough trouble to warrant a lawyer before talking to cops. I guess this is America.
@Christina Nie At the end of the day being suspicious for lawyering up is infinitely better than being suspicious for having an inconsistent story. Many people who are still believed to have committed their crimes have gotten away with it because they kept quiet and lawyering up because being quiet isn't enough for a charge even if it's suspicious. And innocent people have been found guilty because of minor inconsistencies in their story because they forgot a detail or got one wrong.
@Olivia Difficult call. I've had the experience of being thought a suspect and went through five hours of interrogation plus a home visit and some being followed. Eventually they figured out that I was innocent -- but calling a lawyer never occurred to me: it was just obvious to me that i didn't need one -- which may or may not have been correct. I dunno.
As stressful as watching these videos is it's really nice to think that even at my worst I'm never gonna end up in that situation. If everything ends up going wrong tomorrow (knock on wood) I have an extremely low chance of ending up getting interrogated and sent to die in prison.
@Christina Nie so? It doesn’t matter if the cops think you’re guilty for asking for an attorney. It has no bearing on whether you’ll be indicted or convicted. In fact, you’re much less likely to be convicted if you speak to an attorney first.
@Christina Nie Police tell you not to hire a lawyer because it looks like guilt meanwhile celebrities and legal professionals keep their own lawyers on retainer.
I'm fed up of this get a lawyer. Are you supporting criminals?? This guy is totally a psycho. Killed them young. For just playing a music they liked?? If he was innocent, yes he should have called a lawyer. But he is guilty as 100% . I'm glad he got framed from his own words.
@Julian Gonzalez actually don’t plead the fifth to police. Quoting the fifth amendment states that you won’t speak because you could incriminate yourself. That is a tacit admission of guilt that police and prosecutors utilize in reports that will be shown to a Grand Jury as they are considering whether or not to indict. The best thing to say to police is “I don’t want to speak without my attorney present.”
@Dominick Wheeler thats because every new person that start watching this vids feels this way literally just started watching this videos recently and every vid I watch Ive been feeling exactly how this comment describes this just because you are saying the same thing everyone feeling doesn't mean its copied
@Nkosi Moyo I'm not saying this problem doesn't describe how a new person would feel. What I'm saying it's a copied comment, word for word, like a slogan. Nothing wrong with that.
@Jose Salas I disagree. Asking kids to turn down the music in the public interest is the right thing to do. But getting drunk and taking the law in your hands specially with a fire arm is a punishable crime.
It's also important to act like a civilised human being and not have your music blasting out, which could potentially annoy a psychopath! If the music wasn't at such a ridiculous volume then this wouldn't have happened. Another witness stated that he didn't park near that car due to the "loud music", so it was something that was annoying/irritating/causing fear in others. No loud music...no murder.
Police departments base pay off of arrests so all the resources directed at crimes that are easy to solve and can result in quick arrests. Meanwhile the clearance rates of violent crimes has been SLIDING since the 50s (and clearance even includes arrests made regardless of actual convictions)!
@pvic Always always ALWAYS lawyer up when talking to the police, even if only as a witness. Reason being that the miranda rights are considered RIGHTS which mean they're always present, and the phrase in the MR "anything and everything you say can and WILL be used against you in a court of law". The whole point being that there is literally not ONE thing you can say to a police officer that will ever help or protect you. The police exist for one reason and one reason only: to prosecute people for violating the law. That does not mean they must prosecute the CORRECT person for violating the law. If you're innocent and you say something they can use to close the case, they're more than happy to call it there usually. You never EVER have to cooperate with police as a witness if you don't want to, so always have a lawyer present. Unlike congress or a judge in another trial, the police can't subpoena you simply to collect evidence.
it's amazing how many people are read their right to silence and then proceed to blather with the cops
idk if they think they're infallible enough to keep a storyline straight or if they just want to resolve the situation as quickly as possible and by talking and playing ball they think they can get away
I will say the way investigators will strride in with an ambiable and agreeable personality which eddies the suspect into a stream of dialogue which will be used to box them in in incrimental fashion
Idk how someone could do something like this in a way that makes it seem like they didnt even know before and when doing it that there would be consequences. Seems like the dude thought he was gonna be fine
@John R The police are not your friends and it doesn't matter whether you're innocent or guilty, you should never speak to them without an Attorney present. They can lie when they're interrogating you and this is what they do.
How long would it take his fiancée to buy a bottle of wine? 1-2 minutes? Could he not put up with the music for that long. I think he just wanted to use his firearm. He says he was really shocked when he asked them to turn music down and they shut it off. That tells me he was expecting some retaliation from them, and he only asked them because he know if anything went wrong, he had his pistol. Coward
Thinking of your comment when Dunn proudly states how quickly he chambered a round, his great two handed manoeuvre, and how he shoots at a gun club. He fetishized his gun ownership. Combine that with his obvious deep fear and hatred of young black men and you get the ingredients for this tragedy. Sadly, many gun owners fit this bill in my experience. The gun is part of their identity. If I buy a snowboard and have a snowboarder identity, best believe that board isn’t sitting in the attic I’m going to be shredding up and down the snowy mountain. Same thing with guns except a gun only serves one purpose - to deliver a piece of metal into the body of another person with lethal force.
RIP Jordan Davis. Completely undeserved. Mad respect to Rhonda for not trying to cover anything up and respect to Tommy for saving as many lives as he could.
this is one of the first cases i've seen on this channel that actually made me emotional while watching because it hits close to home. and to know there are still so many people out there with this same mindset. horrible.
mccowaniii is It’s not one person. At the same time I’d absolutely bet that a studio or production company would limit segments in time that would mean information would have to be omitted.
This is the best way for good, rich and detailed content to be delivered - without restraints.
netflix is big corporate biz that seeks to brainwash their customers. mostly dark devil shows and war worshipping propaganda. JCS rocks and i'll probably become a patron.
Robert Hughes that’s what I’m saying. To make it on YouTube it has to actually be good content. Tv has to much filler content to make a time frame I find. No time frame to fill when it’s on YouTube. Also if the YouTube video doesn’t have a good first 5 min people click off.
No overly dramatic music, no uneccesary repetitions or cwhaz happens next"-narrations. Just the case with all the details laid out with the available evidence in a concise manner. It couldn't be better
I feel like they play out a lot like Sword and Scale, it’s really nice bc a lot of times I wish I could see the interrogations played on Sword and Scale.
mccowaniii naw he needs to stay on YouTube or it’ll get plagued with commercials and guidelines he’d have to follow for tv networks, YouTube is the best place for this channel
If it was on Net Flix this show would be called, "Good Criminal/ Bad Criminal" or "Words & Weasel's in a Pig Sty" I don't know but every episode should have an ambigous ending I reckon.
Right? I wish there were endless documentaries of his. I’ve been hooked since I found this channel which was last night and have been through 4 already. Not ashamed, lol.
Netflix aim for wider market. JCS is good but the content and its delivery is a bit niche. I didnt justify things, just a speculation on why Netflix crime shows are shallow.
Totally agree. The reason these videos are better is because they are not so much about the crime and how it was uncovered etc but about the Psychology of the criminals, which is truly intriguing
Being better than Netflix is no challenge, Netflix exists only for the purpose to take over people during conventional TV. These people who thinks they"want to have choice" and they are fed with agendas all the time. But yes this LCS guy does great work
RIGHT?! I love how they explain the psychology behind it too! Nothing feels over done to make the case more appealing, it's just pure education and does a great job keeping my attention on the case! I freaking love this channel, kinda hope it never changes <3
Cos he just lets it flow with few interruptions other than occasional explanations and doesn’t jump cut with stupid reenactment closeups and tearful interviews that jar you out of the events of the scene to try to get you to have an emotional response to the survivors
Some of them are good. White house murders is good, These are on you tube brides in the bath. Hhhomes murder Castel. Ed gine. If I think of more I'll edit it :)
@Codswallop :/ usually JCS inspired content works well! Idk. I’ve heard a lot of different things about JCS, one about how they realized how popular the videos got and that they could make more money on a different platform, so I’m not too sure if they’re coming back. Idk how true that is, but I think there’s more info on reddit
His poor wife. I can't imagine how difficult it must have been for her to essentially testify against him. She did the right thing and is very pure of heart
Quotes from this dude: "They were thugs", "They're violent", "I'm the victim". Also this dude: Drives drunk, stops at gas station to buy more booze, starts a verbal altercation with teenagers and then commits murder Everything this man assumed about his victims was actually projection.
@Connor S In this case, as well as in the Michael Drejka case, it all starts with this class of people who think that they are entitled to break the law.
in the Michael Drejka case, it was the selfish woman who parked illegally (in a handicapped spot), and in this case, the thugs blasting music in close proximity of others trying to enjoy their own lives, but cannot, due to these people who have NO place in civilized society. And, when others try to defend themselves, or try to ask the miscreants to stop breaking the law (i.e. illegal parking, illegal noise violation), they are the ones who end up in prison. Society in these here United States of America, has become unbearable over time, due to this unfortunate evolution of society into one where one particular class of people makes life miserable for others
@Timmy Vawwter playing loud music isn't a crime. but the white dude was literally in the middle of committing an actual crime (drunk driving) when he shot at the kids
@Emily Hannon Playing loud music during the day can be illegal depending on what the laws state in your area. You should be able to discover what the noise laws are in your city without having to dig too deeply. Once you know the laws, you might be able to simply call the police to get things taken care of quickly. Actually, You're right, Emily. You're right....Mr. Dunn's attorney screwed up in not mounting a defense of intoxication, although Mr. Dunn probably talked his way into a hole too deep for the lawyers to dig him out of, during his police interviews.
@Rand Paul2024 They were four innocent teens listening to music. There are comments which explains his hatred and racism for black people. How was they being "thuggy" and threatening by sitting in a car and listening to music. Stop defending his shit
@Rand Paul2024 yes, he CLAIMS they threatened to kill him. He has one hell of a reason to sell that as a story. Does not make his claim credible or true.
@Rand Paul2024 NO YOU DID NOT!!! Her was trying to lie and manipulate his way through this. The teens did not do anything but listen back, not once did they do anything " threatening" or "aggressive". Disgusting how you are blaming the victims and one that lost his life bc of this racist man. Stop defending racist people bc it says everything about you.
@data the nazis took inspiration from Jim Crow laws and the treatment of Native Americans in the US. So defending anti-black racism IS actually nazism. You're welcome for the history lesson.
@data all racially segregated societies are operating under more or less the same principles; yes, the nazis were very overtly fascist, but as Frantz Fanon said, "What is fascism if not colonialism when rooted in a traditionally colonialist country?"
@Emily Hannon So you are saying it is ok to have a problem with someone based solely on the color of their skin? How is that not racism?
You don't live in a white supremist society at all by the way, that is just silly.
I can tell you are full of hatred and that makes me sad. The fact that you would hate people for their complexion because you feel as though you have been mistreated would be the same as the abused happily becoming the abuser and trying to justify it with claiming to be the victim afterward.
I would never be an asshole to anyone because of their skin color, I just couldn't imagine that. It sounds to me like you feel justified in being mean to people because of their skin color. That makes you no better than any white supremist that you could find.
There are shitty human beings on all sides, that much is clear. Congratulations on helping keep racism alive. I hope you don't ever hurt anyone.
@Sapporo Ichiban stop playing the victim, no one has ever victimized you for being white. i'm a white person myself. how can i be racist against myself ?
@Rand Paul2024 he clearly stated that he didn’t know if they were singing or mouthing that so your statement is actually false. You should rewatch the video.
@Sapporo Ichiban except it's not racist to point out the power that white people have and the ways that this unfair power dynamic affects black people. people like you who call basic sociology "racism" is what's causing racial tension.... maybe try listening to where people might be coming from instead of getting so offended?
@Emily Hannon You seem to think that people with a certain skin color should feel guilty for things they have not done and they need to accept the fact that people should be allowed to hate them for things they have not done. That is utter stupidity.
The citizens of Asian descent are doing the best economically in western society, there is plenty of white poverty in many places.
There are no laws on the books that afford rights or deny them based on race, period. There was a time where this was not the case but that is not so now. Your theories are based on feelings and your expectations of people are unrealistic.
You mention sociology. Am I to understand that you believe a race of people are feeling insecure about another races confidence and so that justifies an adjustment through any means, up to and including mistreatment?
The only thing I am finding offensive is the possibility that people who espouse these beliefs are misleading people. You don't improve the confidence of one group by destroying another or labeling them as the oppressor, all that serves to do is start a fight, which people like you may well do.
I think you should do some research and stop feeling like conflict will give the desired result. I also think someone has convinced you to chase ghosts. I have noticed that racism has not even been a hot topic until it became a useful tool just recently. Make you a deal, stop saying that racism is justified and I will stop being offended.
@Emily Hannon I have a feeling that the mental gymnastics are going to continue, so I think it should come to a conclusion.
I am just going to leave it at this. There are no laws that are giving advantage to anyone because of their race.
I responded to you because you say you are angered because you figure people are being place into a group and mistreated based on skin color and your solution is to use that to justify placing people into a group and mistreating them based on their skin color.
Sounds pretty stupid hey? And now you are going to actually try and argue that point? I would abandon that crazy shit asap.
@lucci's simp That is what bigots do the best. Just that the ogre that assaulted the teenage girls at that smoothie shop. A lot of the comments were siding with him because his son had an allergic reaction. Telling someone not to add peanut butter to something is totally different from telling someone you have a peanut allergy.
Right! Honestly the privilege and entitlement shows when he asked them to turn there music down. Get over it. If you didn’t want any problems you’d just let them be , got your wine and moved on.
@Emily Hannon I'm thinking RandPaul's statements are sarcasm. But still, it struck me when he kept saying "I feared for my life." That seems to be the go-to phrase used by people who murder innocent victims now.
@Rand Paul2024 with the gaslighting again 😂. You don’t know anything about me to say that. My mom is white and my dad is black. I don’t see my dads side of the family because he doesn’t feel it’s right for me. So i’m left to see my white side of the family who I love more than anything in the world. I also go to a predominantly white school and have a bunch of white friends who I hold very close to my heart. Don’t assume without the knowledge 👀. And to second. It’s weird how you’re defending a man who killed innocent teenagers who didn’t even have a gun with them. He played the victim card and if you fail to realize that, you’re the common denominator here. No one’s racist or has hate for white people and you can’t see that. It’s no one’s fault but yours 😂
@Anthony That's fair. To be honest, you didn't give me a lot to go on and I did make some assumptions.
Again, there are not any laws that I am aware of that sway anything in favor of one race over another. That is the basis of a societies structure.
By all means, you are free to call me names all you wish if that is how you roll. I am quite satisfied with my speed, lol.
I would suggest that if you believe something is true and wish to be convincing, you may want to validate your argument with some facts. At the end of the day, you are right, I doubt either of us truly care what the other thinks.
@Anthony Not entirely, I do understand what you were saying, there are individuals who are terrible people such as the guy in the video.
I just wanted to say that there are good people as well and we can't let emotional situations that challenge us, turn us into people we wouldn't like. I really do wish you well.
@goodwill lover How dare he ? The teens even put the music down as requested. They were in their own car - it was a temporary situation. He’d been drinking and looking for a fight. I think he shot absolutely deliberately. Heart breaking.
@Timmy Vawwter you accuse these 2 men of stereotyping, while you stereotype them, as this "class of people". Hypocrite. The two Michael's were wrong, their thinking is wrong. However you can stereotype anyone. Try seeing them as 2 individuals. It is not like they represent most crimes.
@Rand Paul2024 Please read the letters that he wrote to his family during his time. Just search up 'michael dunn letters' and read every one of them. He's a racist, and this 17 year old died because of racism.
@lucci's simp(I know this is an old comment, my apologies) well I'm not gonna say this guy wasn't racist bc it's always possible. But he didnt actually say anything racist, thug music is very much a thing and is listened to by all races (some more than others). Without assuming he's racist, it's way more likely that hes just a drunk, violent, narcissist who just happens to be white. And the kids listening to this "thug" music happen to be black. I'm pretty confident someone like this would do this no matter the race. Again, not saying he isnt racist. Just saying it is pretty rash, and quite frankly a step back in the progression of race equality, to assume he's racist just based on the fact that it is a white on black crime.
@Dead_Chicken when he was speaking to his wife, Rhonda he still mentioned they were violent and showed no signs of remorse or regard. He portrayed himself as the victim and associated “ thugs and loud music” with these black teens. He thought he got himself to be the victim because they were black and targeted them. It was definitely a form of racism here and his disrespect to these black teens was disgusting and adding to your fact that he was drunk too showed his truce colours. I understand our point and where this is coming from but here it shows he was definitely racist 🤷♂️🤷♂️
@Ryan A okay💀 the person I was speaking to was definitely white and ignorant. Not all white people are like that. All the replies and the comments saw his ignorance and his utter disrespect. Stop focusing on such trivial matters and focus on the racism and disrespect these four black teens faced leading to a death.
@Sapporo Ichiban our legal system extends far beyond the “laws on the books”.
If you’d like an example of how our society continues legal oppression of others you can read up on the average sentences given to people of different races for the same crimes (hint: black people are sentenced for longer for the same crimes than white people on average).
You can also read up on policing and arresting bias that looks into whether arrests are proportional (eg. white and black people use marijuana at the same rate but black people are much more likely to be arrested for it).
Or perhaps you’d like to learn about how long ago it was legal to discriminate against non-white people who were trying to move into a neighborhood and what happened to many of the non-white neighborhoods after it was made illegal (hint: many were bulldozed for highways, parks, stadiums, etc.)
@OopsAllFrench I live in Canada so it is far different.
I would be interested in where you find your statistics though. I do seem to remember the current American vice president allegedly being implicated in a prisoner labor ring where she was increasing sentences for minor offences and pimping them out as slave labor while she was serving as attorney general of California. She is a woman of color, right? I would site that as a potential incident where we would agree that the system was misused if true. I do believe it can happen, I am a bit of a sceptic when it comes to the idea the laws are designed for it.
Anyway, I would be interested to see the stats and all the circumstances such as how many offences occurred before the one we are looking at which could impact a decision for appropriate discipline. Also, I think it is fair to consider time period as well. We should be talking about current events as the nation has changed quite a bit, at least it was headed in a preferable direction.
I wouldn't suggest that racism does not exist individually, unfortunately, I am hearing it used commonly in arguments completely unrelated to race in any way all the time, which diminishes the meaning. I would suggest that I am not going to become emotional and jump on the bandwagon of racist laws and government structure in this day and age. If it does occur, it is not the intent of the system and is corruption in specific instances.
Racism is unacceptable, which is why I treat it very seriously. That is why I am careful to reject the notion when it is unfounded, misused in order to push an agenda, used as coercion to garner agreement, or used in ways that intentionally creates division and actually breeds more resentment which could result in racism. I find it just as repulsive as other crimes against people which is why I want to make damn certain that I am correct when condemning someone.
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In his defense, they were playing auto tuned, mumble rap. Yuck! 🤣 (And, everyone knows it’s open season on Dodge Durangos. But it did have nice rims 🤣).
@Rand Paul2024 Can you explain what 'being thuggy' is, exactly? Since it's grounds for execution apparently, it feels like we should probably be specific
@Rand Paul2024 Was he afraid for his life when he stood, aimed, and fired the last 3 shots into the vehicle rapidly speeding away? Can you explain exactly how that was 'for his safety'?
@Timmy Vawwter are you trying to say that because they were blasting music, those kids had a more justifiable death. Does it make the murderer… less a murderer? I would hope not.
@Timmy Vawwter year seriously, how is that Drejka and Dunn are the ones who end up in prison when the woman was the one who illegally parked and the kid was the one in the car with loud music, and all the white dudes did was END THEIR LIVES….. the injustice. The people who thought they were entitled to break the law were the armed white men who made these situations into their own business…… I mean unless you didn’t watch the video it’s plain as day how often this man lied AFTER what he did cause he knew it was wrong…..the group of people ruining for everyone else, European Immigrants (white people)
@Timmy Vawwter But they were parked there and Dunn parked next to them. Witness 6? 7? they play the clip where he didn't park next to the kids because he didn't like the loud noise. Nice try to blame the victims though.
Stand your ground. I can't stand society and its sensitivities. The music was the problem and with dancing fool to add to it. People push on people's liberties until there is a beef. U people got the race thing rite
What happened that day is obviously a nightmare for so many people. I also feel sorry for Michael s son. It should have been one of the happiest days of his life. Now his wedding day will forever be associated with this senseless murder. Also, Michael states, idiotically, that he was "The Victor". How so? He's taken one life and ruined his own. Tragic and pointless.
I’m just so amazed at the outrage the officers are. They don’t even attempt to pretend to play good cop bad cop 😂 they’re calling him out on his bs and I’m here for it!
“I’m being charged with murder? Well that sucks.“. Damn ,what a heartless SOB. He murdered somebody’s CHILD. SMH 🤦🏻♀️ So sorry for that young man’s family. NO amount of yelling or arguing was worth his life. 🪦💔 RIP
To be fair, if he actually was in real danger, I'd understand, but... he's just a person trying to use self-defence as a reason for shooting kids he believed were thugs for... playing the music too loud.
People like these give self-defence such a bad name.
@A Spelling Error Sort of doubt that, I cant really imagine that type of language he used at the beginning of the video if it wasnt, at least, partly racism.
@A Spelling Error Even before they showed anyone, when I heard the term “loud music” I knew they had to be black. My heart sank when I found out I was right. I am extremely sure that if they were white, or if at least there was one white person, they would not have been shot at. It’s a sad and disgusting reality.
Not really. Not everyone shys away from conflict. So someone like that who's bullied and counters it with aggression/intimidation would say something like this. Police are trained to do this to control a situation. Like a bluff but your opponent would need to think you mean business (that's a goal) to convince them to reevaluate their position and deescalate the situation. Note: I'm commenting on the comment. Not the video itself or anything within.
@Hugo Passmore what does this have to do w/ Trump? It reminds me more of Biden saying he doesn't want white kids going to school w/black kids bc it will be a racial jungle 🙄
@folou I think he was angry that they weren’t “respectful” to him. I don’t think the music was why he shot them. That was just a reason for the initial confrontation
And the fiancé was trying to get him to not talk about what happened over the jail phone, for a very obvious reason, but dumb dumb wanted to keep saying how he was the victim yet also the winner.
How dare anyone back talk HIM , the mighty victor . The poor Victim. He is emotionless . If I even hurt someone in error trying to defend myself I’d be racked with guilt
@Not Sure lol and he wasn’t forced into a tough situation. It was music. He could’ve parked elsewhere. Or ignored it like we tell young children to do. 🙄
Well if it was genuine self defence then that is accurate people do genuinely kill others justifiably in self defence but this case doesn’t seem like it
@Not Sure So are you just purposely ignoring all of the white rappers in history and the fact that one of the current biggest rappers, Post Malone, is a white man? Do facts really hurt your fragile ego so much?
@PinkDarkBoy No, I'm not ignoring anything at all. My worldview encompasses so much more than yours. I've forgotten more than you'll ever even hear about.
Wow, it’s amazing how someone can twist the phrase “I refuse to be a victim” into something disgusting, the way this D bag did. And it’s so obvious that he knew his prison call was recorded. He’s basically testifying his case to his fiancé on the phone. Not for her to hear though. But for whatever law enforcement is listening. To make himself sound believable.
This man is a dullard. After listening to the first four minutes of his interview with the police, it was more than obvious to me that he was fabricating several points to simply appear more credible, capable and rational. He belongs in prison. Excellent.
If playing music a little loud and talking a little bit of shit is punishable by death to this guy, I, and most of my friends would have probably died fifty times over when we were 16-19.
I couldn’t imagine being so pathetically insecure that you pull a gun on someone for talking back to you over loud music. I’d love to know how he settles his disputes in prison, I have a feeling people will be a lot less diplomatic than “are you talking to me”. And there won’t be a gun for his sorry ass this time.
Man, you can see Rhonda is absolutely devastated that she has to basically destroy her husband's alibi, but still she soldiers on and does it. I feel so bad for her.
@sammygirl6910 well, all the more reasons to feel bad for her. And I'm also happy that she was able to tell the truth. Usually wives that go through that tend to protect their abusive husbands
@Jazza BigHits I agree with you half way, you just have to find the" right one" ,which is nearly impossible. They don't make women like they use to. Can't be trusted ( not all) I admire her strength and honesty.it seems all the good women wind up with the wrong guys, and vice versa.
Yeah what a gal. Wish I could find one that would divulge any and all info to cops and get me a 90 year sentence if god forbid I found myself doing something stupid like mike did . She is Definitely a keeper
@Jazza BigHits Nah Rhonda is who you want on your team. Willing to give the truth even when it hurts. A good woman, even if her man is a piece of shit.
@Costanza Constanza don't be a simp, I treat women very well,that's how I discovered their true nature,social media and camera phones have also brought behaviors to light.
@Henry Graybeal If my girlfriend ever killed someone, I wouldn't turn her in. I wouldn't purposely get myself in trouble as an accessory trying to hide her, but there's no way in hell I'd turn her in. She's murdered somebody else, not me. If she treats me well I don't care.
@Costanza Idk why you have to make this about gender? If she was the murderer and he turned her in, I'd have a go at him for throwing her under the bus too.
@Sam Kostka That's more of an extreme case scenario. What if she catches you doing something accidentally like you accidentally put something in your bag/pocket and forgot to pay for it? Then she goes up and tells them you're a thief or stealing? Yeah, I'm good without a partner that throws me under the bus.
@Jazza BigHits really? he does a crime? and you blame the wife for telling the damn truth? if she covered for him, she would be facing jail time, why should SHE suffer for him?
@Amelia Bee No, I didn't. I mentioned people getting thrown under the bus after getting married. In this particular case, it was by a woman. Gay marriages most likely end with guys getting thrown under the bus too
@Amelia Bee She probably didn't expect him to get such a stiff sentence. The shooting was pretty borderline and could have been justified. I think probation would have been appropriate in this case. It is too bad the aggressive sentencing ruined their relationship they seemed like they had a pretty good relationship going.
@jaim haas Surely you're not doing a silly juvenile tit-for-tat, comparing two totally different incidents? Why would you allow yourself to be pulled so low as to bring that to the table? Please stick to the topic at hand. ✌🏾
@Jazza BigHits Hitler wasn't married to Eva Braun, and she didn't tell on him because she cowardly committed suicide along with Hitler, in the bunker they were hiding in! But how you could invoke his name into this conversation, and hold him up as some example for loyalty from his girlfriend, is stunning.
@Chestine Johnson I'm pretty sure she could've reported him for war crimes at ANY point before they shot themselves in the bunker. The point is that one of the most disgusting/evil people in the world had a partner who didn't throw him under the bus.
@Jazza BigHits when has marriage been about helping the other slither away from facing consiquenses of their horrible actions? If my wife killed some grown-ass adult for self defence, I’d stay by her side until the end. But killing a unarmed child cause of over-reaction? No fuckin way
And stop comparing Hitler to this case because you obviously have no idea what tou talking about
@Jazza BigHits “you shouldn’t get married because you won’t be able to be a sociopath and murder people because she will tell the truth about you” wow you’re such a good person
@Jazza BigHits then your a horrible person. Period. If your significant other murdered someone and you don’t go to the police or urge them to go ur just as wrong and evil as them.
not husband* Fiance She is scared, but it could be argued that she realized he was fucked and decided to be honest, not out of sympathy for the boy who died, nor for the reason of justice... it could be argued her honesty was actually self-preservation... if she would have lied at that point or confirmed his story... and later found out that she was lying... she could be charged too with hiding or obscuring evidence no? then again, she could be simply telling the truth for the sake of the truth, and maybe she does feel bad about the death.
@Emma Anderson Nah, check my other comment on the JCS inspired video where the guy reported his girlfriend (the teen emo thrill killer). I specifically commented the boyfriend threw her under the bus, and it got pretty much no response. Seems people just like to make things sexist or cause a divide when there isn't one these days, which is unfortunate.
@Jazza BigHits you are the one making things sexist? sorry i don’t blame the woman here for telling the truth lmao and i haven’t watched the video ur talking about but if the bf just told the truth then he is in the right. if u wanna say ur not a misogynist whatever idc. ur still weird asf for saying that a witness helping a murder be brought to justice is them throwing throwing the murder under the bus
@Emma Anderson Like I said, I made LITERALLY the exact same comment on another video, saying the boy threw his girlfriend under the bus. If you're in a relationship with someone, don't throw them under the bus lol. I guess some people just don't understand loyalty these days. Please don't get married Emma. Have a good day though :)
@Emma Anderson As an Australian, I have to vote or I get fined. As for reproduce, do you mean sexually, as in have kids? Because technically my skin cells/brain cells/etc reproduce quite often. Lol I feel sorry for your boyfriend. You should really try to stay out of relationships if you don't understand loyalty.
@Costanza Check the video "emo teen thrill killer" and i note how the boyfriend throws the girl under the bus too. Nothing about gender, it's about loyalty.
@average gamer The way I've commented the same thing on other videos (including the teen thrill killer one) saying the BOYFRIEND threw the GIRL under the bus, but nobody called me sexist or anything for that. But people still have the audacity to think it's about gender or something. Loyalty>all
Rhonda seems to be a loving, innocent and honest person. She had the strength to tell her part without covering or lying. God bless her and r.i.p to the young man in this senseless trigger happy violence.
Some high schoolers are having fun, listening to music in their car at a gas station: "My life was in danger" Also adding: "Cracker" to your story at trial is disgusting.
Bro what does he think this is? 1997?😂😂 No one uses "Cracker" as a derogatory phrase for white people anymore. It's so corny. But that's literally the only word he could think of🤦🏽♂️
It’s amazing how brave people are with a gun. Take away his gun, I’m willing to bet my left nut the music wouldn’t have been a problem. He somehow thought, I run these streets at this very moment because I have a gun in the glove compartment. He’s been waiting for this Moment all his life. He’s even practice how he would shoot. Clear case Of shooting unarmed people because you have a itch. Best place for him is to be in jail in general pop.
His neighbour said Michaels previous relationships told him that Michael was physically and mentally abusive towards them. His neighbour also said Michael had tried to solicit a hitman through him
Yep, I believe that. I mean, how does a man who is so entitled he shoots at teenagers for their music not be an abuser at home? God, I can only imagine what his wife, ex fiance, and children have gone through.
"I didn't know I was being charged with murder... That sucks." His lack of empathy for the kid he just killed is stunning. All he cares about is whether he can bond out.
Well some people lack human emotion and empathy who is sad but you can’t do anything about that as some people think different ways and have beliefs that regular humans don’t and won’t understand
I'm not sure really. If I accidentally fly killed someone I probably at first would be worried about spending rest of my life inn prison too. See. I cant do anything g about the guy I accidently killed. But my life is still here. So first few days in custody I probably would be thinking more about myself than anyone else incl. Victim. That is, if it was genuine accident. If I acted hot headed and as result so.eone dies, I'd at first probably would be asking to lock me up for life. I assume.e it's just easier mentally to get punishment, easier to cope with horrible thing I just did... kind of, closure for myself... not sure if I could live knowing I just killed someone..
Steven Baker when they said we* I think they were just talking about general actions of the country, so since he’s part of the country he would say we* whether he is part of those actions or not.
I hope for safety for everybody. Rest In Peace Jordan 💗 quick thinking Stormy, I hope you and your friends get help to proses what happened to you so that Dunns actions don’t plague you forever 💗
I'm all for Carrying a gun to protect your loved ones and yourself, however this is a perfect example of what NOT to do. A pretentious, Self Centered, Princess... Under the influence of Alcohol, inserts himself into a situation that was there FIRST!!! Then, has the audacity to tell people what HE doesn't like.... He gets told exactly what he SHOULD HAVE been told, gets his feelings hurt, then shoots and kills someone because of it, He then tries to make himself out to be a victim. 👍 Yea..... This guy EARNED every Year he was given in prison.
Seeing people getting mad at the wife for "snitching" have me questioning whether they're okay with a guy willing to kill people over the volume of music you're not going to hear for more than 5 minutes, get off with no charge. Like how is telling the truth while heartbroken "snitching"?
Dunn killed that boy the night of his son’s wedding. His son and daughter-in-law will have that to think about every anniversary. No mention seemed to be made that he was probably drunk at the time. Condolences to the victim’s family and friends. Such a senseless murder.
@BenTramer Yes, his fiancée said he had rum and Coke, maybe 3-4 I think she said. As we watched the interrogation and trial details, no mention of this as one of his many issues that contributed to the incident going down the way it did.
@232 432 no, drunken people are held far more accountable than not. If you are drinking you’re expected to be extra careful in everything you do, and if you aren’t then you face incredible consequences
@The Big Enchilada Legally drunk vs. blitzed is what I was wondering about. I wonder if the reception venue could have been held partly responsible. Just making small talk, friends.
@tmUSA I’m just laughing at the fact that you think it’s worth pursuing at all. Like, the man is old as fuck. Let him accept responsibility for his needless actions, please.
@sweetstormz It would be up to the victim’s family to pursue ADDITIONAL damages. It has nothing to do with an old murderer. He would rot in prison regardless. If somebody knows more about the case it would be interesting to know. That’s it.
@Elixer except that didn’t happen, all witnesses testified in favor of the boys, the threat to kill, even if it did happen, wouldn’t have meant anything, the dude wasn’t armed. Did we watch the same video bro?
@GengarVenom doesn't matter on the amount and if he were "drunk". Any amount is considered inhibition. As soon as there were admission of imbibement, his ability to commit to lethal force was in question.
@watchgoose yes the bartender can say that.. but if you are adult enough to drink, hold a driving licence, carry a gun then you have to be responsible for your own actions... He killed a boy for no reason other than he was is arse and didn't like the music and has an over inflated sense of superiority and self righteousness.. with that the usual bullying ways... Plus I guess as awful as it is I would not be surprised if the fact the lads were young and black affected his awful attitude and behaviour. It's interesting he knows which windows we're up and down but does not remember how many were in the car ..
@tmUSA he is an adult. the venue is giving alcohol to guests. nothing to discuss here. Would you blame the bartender of a pub for serving a guy two beers if he was 25 years old and paid for them, then went out and broke a store after drinking them? you are responsible for your actions , tipsy, drunk or totally fucked up. The only issue i would find logical would be if someone would spike your drinks with drugs ,but it is a fucking wedding. They just give normal drinks to guests and alcohol combinations. The person serving you can deny you further drinks if you are too drunk but i don't think that's a legal obligation that the venue can be held accoutable for. nobody forces you to drink. Also after a few cokes and rum you wouldn't see the guy swaying around and exhibiting signs of being drunk most likely( reason...well he seemed to do well in the talk, cocking a fucking gun, aiming and firing). Also, if you plan to drink and go to a wedding i'd say it is a good idea not to bring a firearm with you? just an afterthought. Why are some people so paranoid that they carry it everywhere? Does he think someone will jump him at his son's wedding or on the way home?
I couldn't be an interrogating officer. I would have my mouth hanging open and looking at this man in utter disbelief after this total mess of an interview. Poor Rhonda thinks this is her fault and he's a first class POS.
When he’s testifying on the stand he sounds proud. He can’t hide the excitement he feels about shooting at those kids. I’ve noticed in my life as a black person that white adults often perceive me as older than I was and attempted to hold me accountable as an adult when I was a child. It happened at school, at friends houses, in public places. I never considered that this form of micro aggression could be a symptom of a deeper hatred that could lead to me being a perceived threat and therefor deadly until I got older. It’s so depressing. I’m never having kids. This world is too disgusting.
Have kids. Raise them right. Make sure they're awesome, then the world will be more awesome. Giving up isn't gonna change stuff. I know it sucks and it's hard but dont let the present unpleasantness rob your future of joy.
@Princc Elijah well nothing other than people CAN fix those things so I'm not sure what you're getting at. And what's stopping YOU from making your own little perfect rainbow utopia if that's what you believe? Or are you just like most leftists and only capable of raging and complaining and blaming everything that sucks about your life on others?
@Adrian people are obsessed with that word, I don't like it. We shouldn't accuse eachother in chats, it doesn't help. Don't like those two comments either but for all we know these accounts aren't even real.
@Tom what you don’t like and what is a reality are two different things. At least 25 million people deal with racism in this country everyday. If you don’t fall in that category consider yourself very privileged or very ignorant/oblivious
It's amazing how little he cared about what happened to the other people in the car as is evident at 43:46 when the investigator starts to explain the details of how lucky they were that 3 people didn't meet the same fate. This guy couldn't care less what happened to those "kids" as he puts it. It's very frightening that something like this could happen over something as trivial as the volume of a car stereo. What a sudden, violent, and terrifying end to this young man's life. I can't even imagine. So one moment, you're with your friends pulling into a gas station for cigarettes. Then the next moment, you hear yelling and then shots being fired and you get hit 3 times. The last things he probably ever felt were intense shock, terror, confusion, and pain. What a terrible way to have your life taken from you. He was 17, he didn't even get a chance to fully live yet. That's such a tragedy. All because some random guy didn't appreciate the volume or the type of music they were playing in their vehicle. How sad is that.
@angryengineering because he killed someone over "annoying music" (code word, probably racist). there were no weapons in the SUV of the kids. dunn claims he was threatened with a gun or a stick; the girlfriend says no such threat was made.
so even though he has all the reason to apologise, i wouldnt expect one - just like you dont -, because he's an unapologetic racist (and that's not a good thing)
So if a group of thugs is threatening to kill you you just gonna sit there and wait whether they walk the talk? I would prepare myself to fight or flight as well.
and dont say "they dont have a criminal record" u dont know that in that moment.
the last thing coming out of my mouth is "im sorry U threatened my life and I took that serious"
IT WAS NOT THE LOUD MUSIC like u are saying.
the girlfriend was in the store and thus has no idea whether such a threat was made or not
@angryengineering tell me where the witnesses testified to this threat. other witnesses also testified to seeing no weapons. inspection of the SUV found no weapons. who is likelier to lie: a killer who would possibly go away for life, who could shorten his sentence by pleading self-defense, or the fiancee AND witnesses? it's clear which side is likelier to lie.
your entire argument is based on the false premise that verbal threats were made by the other side. that said, you "would prepare yourself to fight or flight". you would not begin fighting right away and shoot without assessing the situation, unlike michael here.
and i also agree that it was not the loud music. i said it was pure and simple racism. you have missed my point entirely. i don't want to be rude, but your argument is both disrespectful and baseless, both of which are things i cannot stand. figure out how to read comments, and from there maybe you can progress to reading up the actual facts of this case.
@comrade wolf my point is that I dont agree with stephen dacey´s statement at all. It is completely wrong.
and to you I want to say: "tell me where the witnesses testified to this threat." there 2 cars close next to each other why should anyone witness anything there " inspection of the SUV found no weapons." they obviously could have just tossed their weapons away before reporting this incident. Also it is not whether they were armed or not but that they threathened him. This alone is enough for some people to take action and its not illegal.
my thoughts are that he lives in a rich people area and is not used to being threatened on his health + they look like typical thugs + he was on his own in a foreign area
@angryengineering and my point is that stephen dacey is correct in the important part; that firstly, michael dunn overreacted, and secondly, that he did not apologise. thirdly, the surface story is about the loud music when clearly it was rooted in deeper issues; the music was merely an excuse, if anything. however, that does not make stephen dacey's statement wrong.
like i have spent a while trying to explain to you, michael dunn was not in the right and doing something like this would merit an apology. why? because dunn was a bloomin racist who murdered a seventeen year old boy. i have already explained to you that no threats were made, and no weapons were found. therefore, what excuse does dunn have? he was neither threatened nor shown a gun or a stick (as he asserted). so why SHOULDN'T he apologise? pray tell me where stephen dacey's statement is wrong in light of the facts i have explained to you.
@comrade wolf "Not once did he apologize for his overreaction"
im telling u it is not an overreaction if someone is threatening to kill you.
"killing a person over something as stupid as loud music."
its not the fking music but the threaths.
" no threats were made"
suddenly u urself are a witness? Seriously man not to be racist but u really think it is impossible for a young black guy filled with testosterone and no future to threathen a white grandpa who just told u to lower the volume? think again
@angryengineering he’s a narcissistic racist and if you don’t see the issue with this situation you probably share some character traits with him, which is why you are empathetic with him
@angryengineering if you can watch a full hour video of this man talking aswell as the witness testimonies, and you can’t tell he’s lying to cover himself, you either have absolutely no ability to think critically and read people, or you’re a lunatic like he is
@angryengineering Everyone understands your point, we just don't agree with it..and neither does the court system, which is why this murderer is in jail.
@angryengineering You're defending the murder because the kids were threatening to kill him. You shouldn't respond to a vocalize threat with deadly force unless the threat is credible. This dude was obviously scared shitless from a car full of black teenagers because he's a coward and unfortunately for the kids they didn't know they were dealing with a psycho.
He was irrationally afraid, and they weren't afraid enough.
I want to repeat myself: if a stranger gives u death threats and u prevent that, u should not apologize for it. I dont understand how u think this is some crazy thought. its basic logics 101
@Bethany Akaraiwe BUT HE HAD NO IDEA THEY WERE UNARMED. He just parks his car, his wife got out and within seconds his neighbours shout "kill him". WTF
@Bethany Akaraiwe who is they and how did they find out? U seriously think the young guys just turn the music back up and that grandpa instantly shoots them?
@angryengineering well that’s IS what happened. Seriously do you only trust your judicial system when all the black people go to jail? And no white person goes to jail? Jim Crow much!
@angryengineering buddy they didn’t dump a weapon because as the detective says multiple times, “they never left the parking lot” there definitely ARE witnesses to back that statement up even if u don’t believe they can hear the yelling going on between the two vehicles beforehand
@angryengineering you know they proved they never said that......if the music was indeed that loud how tf did he hear them say ¨kill him¨ them???? Also if they were armed dont u think that was the first thing he would have told his wife
@Atomix117 exactlyyy they proved it so many times.......if the music was so loud how did he hear them say kill him.......it makes no sense. Micheal is just simply crazy asf and was just dumb enough to think that a gun would be the solution to loud music
No no, he's a boomer, he didn't kill someone over music, he killed someone because he didn't get the respect boomers feel they are owed. They're like that.
@angryengineering why tf did he go out of his way to tell them to turn the music down????????? Couldn’t just mind his business as a grown ass man!!!???????????? They shouldn’t threatened him but he walked up to them??? The fuck? He could’ve just let the music b and call the non emergency police phone line and made a complaint asking for a cop out. Smh.
@angryengineering You don't know what to respond with because you have no credible argument and instead of admitting that, you're just going to not bother to continue doubling down.
@angryengineering look in the mirror. The criminal is in jail. A kid is dead. Yet you're defending the criminal and not acknowledging the fact that a kid is dead. You're ignoring evidence and forming your own narrative based on what? "He could've stashed the weapon" LOL how genius? With cops combing the scene you think they missed a tossed stick or gun? You need help.
Seriously, his story contradicted itself repeatedly. First, the music was too loud to hear them and he had his window up. And yet he then clearly heard them threatening him, when he just stated he couldn't hear them. Well, which is it, Dunn? It can't be both.
The witness testimonies match up with the teens' accounts, meaning the music wasn't that loud, because they were able to hear the encounter go down. Not once do the witnesses mention any threats on the part of the teens, but they did clearly hear Dunn say "Are you talking to me?" and "You can't say that to me" (or whatever it was he said exactly at that part). The witnesses aren't backing Dunn's version of events in the least bit. Why? Because he's a lying, self-serving POS who can't even come up with a coherent story. I mean, the bit where they were somehow coming out the door which never opened?
@angryengineering this doesnt even make sense because those kids weren’t a group pf thugs? there was 3 kids in a car listening to music. You’re only saying “thugs” because theyre black.
The crazy thing here is he might have actually gotten off if he had called a lawyer right away. He was clearly guilty, but if he would have said it the way he did in his courtroom testimony, who knows what would have happened. That’s just wild to think about. This dude might have been let go…
The beginning where he’s talking on the phone from prison to his fiancé about he’s the victim is disgusting 🤮 The mental gymnastics Michael Dunn’s performing is worthy of the Olympics.
“I really didnt know that I was being charged with murder and attempted murder… that sucks” What a nonchalant and calm way to realize that you life is ruined.
It is often those with no real culpability who blame themselves, while many who are guilty have a hundred excuses for why their bad behavior was everyone else’s fault.
I really hope she got help. It clear wasn't her fault. She seemed like a decent person just trapped in a bad situation with someone she loved. I'm glad she actually told the truth and didn't make up lies to get herself in trouble.
@VideoEtTaceo She didnt call the police after he told her he "shot a car" either. Telling the truth in court is the only thing that makes me feel better about them not charging her as an accessory after the fact
@Caleb Gann I agree. I admire her strength and courage. So glad she got another chance. But devastated that young man had to lose his life over a piece of trash crying over loud "thug" music. I can't stand looking at and hearing this man, a waste of air is what I mean
Also a very good question to ask by the prosecution. It is not that important for the crime commited, but it shows that Rhonda tells the whole truth and nothing but the truth, even if its painful for herself.
what about her telling the truth (i presume) about him not having told her about them having a gun, rather than covering for him, knowing that by telling the truth, she would incriminate him... that must have pained her.
@Memphis Bangkok If there was a scene in the video where the mother of the victim would talk and her voice would crack - people would feel a lot of empathy for her. So much so, they would probably shed a tear (I would). It's just, that we don't get to know the mother, other family members of the victim or the other boys. That's why just watching the video you wouldn't grow attached to them. That's very natural and nothing to insult someone about.
When I was a teenager, our history teacher put up a couple of short articles about historical events to introduce a new topic for the semester. There was one article about a dog that was shot into space. Another one talked about the death of 50000 or something adults and children, who had frozen to death while forced to cut a ditch or something like that. I don't remember precisly. Eather way, everyone in class was asking about the dog and whether he survived or not (he didn't) and how they where able to do such a thing to an innocent dog. So they where outraged about that story with the dog, but not about the one with the 50000 humans. But that was not, because they where "disgusting" as you say, but because they were not able to empathise with 50000 nameless and faceless people all at once. Which is actually human.
@JIKitty Well, it is also about not knowing all details of a situation they are evaluating. The story about the dog (it was actually she, not he) is heartbreaking, but the people who shot her out to the space were not heartless bastards. They were sorry for her and were remembering her with tears in their eyes after decades. She was not the only dog to die in that program, but she was the only one they knew for sure that was going to die. It was political decision - the USSR leaders wanted a living animal in the space earlier than USA. The scientists didn't have the way to bring the capsule back to the Earth yet, but politicians said: "Doesn't matter, we are doing it now." So the space program guys didn't have a choice (it was USSR, 1950s, disobeying could have meant something very ugly for that person and their family.) They chose the dog, they constructed mechanism that was to eutanize the dog after few orbits, so she didn't suffer. In reality something broke and she died due to stress and overheating, but that was an unintended accident. She was also a street dog cought on the streets and brought to the space program. She died an ugly death, but before the death she lived more happily in that space program than she would have on the streets. Also - had she survived the experiments (like some others dogs from the program) she would have been adopted to a family and have a nice rest of life. Therefore for the surviving dogs the space program was a good thing that happened to them and for all the dogs it was a chance for better life. So the story is more complicated and less clear if you tell it whole and not just in a shortcut on the beginning of semester.
@Vidalion Empathy is a double edged sword in this way. It's a heavy burden feeling the pain of others, I wish there were more people willing to share the load.
She knew how he was and needed a way out. Their neighbors hated him and were glad she was rid of him. Not clear if he abused her but he did abuse in past relationships.
@VideoEtTaceo I completely agree. she did nothing wrong but I also felt like she blamed herself for this young boys death. This man is true terrible person and he probably was mentally and emotionally abusive to her. I feel sorry for her. I hope she has moved in
These course of events were tragic it cost someone their life but at least there’s one less racist in our society and instead rotting in prison. Tragic way to make progress, people have to die.
This dude would have done this sometime in his life no matter if she’d had the idea to get wine at the gas station or not... I agree poor woman probably blames herself. I just hope she knows that this man was a ticking racist time bomb... what a bigot. Casually killed and shot at young men in a car for playing loud music. Like bruh... the dude shot at people for playing loud music. HE WOULD GONE AFTER ANYONE.
To be fair, that conversation was edited at that point, and it was actually her who started the conversation on what had happened by saying that she knows he's innocent.
She had 4 years to realize he's an arrogant, entitled racist punk and she didn't leave him. She only testified against him to prevent her own prosecution on charges of accessory after the fact. I don't see any redeeming qualities in her.
the ultimate example of butterfly effect, one more dance one more drink, one red light or green light different along the way. life is truly wild that way
Right, you can tell from the get how broken up she is about this. Probably holds some fault to herself for the event. I'm just glad she spoke up. And kept speaking up
Imagine carpooling with your partner just going to the gas station to get some water just water no snacks no gas, and hear gum shots outside just to find out it was them and they killed someone.
@Quinten and JoAnn Klonowski nobody said that what happened to the kids and their family was not a tragedy. He or she was just stating how the pain in her voice affected him
@Hannah Beine You're assuming that everyone who is talking about Rhonda is white. That in and of itself is kinda racist. Even if everyone who commented about Rhonda were white (highly doubtful), it makes sense that they chose to fixate on her. She did the right thing and testified against her monster of a fiance. Personally, I suspect that the relationship between the two of them wasn't anything near sunshine and rainbows. Also, because it needs to be said, the kid didn't deserve to die. This was yet another case of a man with an ego killing someone because he got offended. Recently, another man with an ego ended up shooting and killing a six year old child after the man's GF was flipped over for cutting a mother off on a highway. These types of men need to stop being allowed to buy guns!
@Hannah Beine "you white people" jeeeeeeezus. Have never said "you black people" in my life and cried for the loss of that poor boy. Way to widen the divide... As well as assuming that everyone feeling sympathy for both people (or those feeling bad for that chick) are white. I suppose they are only women too, that feel bad for her. And only men feel bad for the boy, right? Cos that's how it works? You only feel empathetic for people that look like yourself?
@Hannah Beine all I'm saying is just because you empathize with Rhonda doesn't mean you suddenly don't empathize with the person who was shot. There are comments epathizing with both of them. This one just happens to be about rhonda.
@Hannah Beine - I’m not white and I feel bad for this woman. I also feel bad for the boy who died, for his parents, for his friends who had their youth ripped away from them by being forced to watch their friend die. Your comment doesn’t do anything to bridge the racial divide and is rife with assumptions that are unhelpful. Of course you can emphasize who whoever you want to but then so can everyone else.
She is very fortunate she did not marry Michael Dunn. He has a hair trigger temper and kills over loud music and someone who does not comply with his demands. He eventually would be violent to her and others as well.
@miki minach well obviously we also feel horrible for them too. I feel terrible for everyone in this situation except the murderer. I even feel bad for his son, who had his wedding day be the same day his own father killed a kid.
It’s so odd to see people say “but no sympathy for the victims??” Like no fucking shit OBVIOUSLY we feel horrible for them too. The families that were affected, the poor kid who had his life cut short, his friends and others who knew him, the boys in the car, the son who has his wedding day be a reminder that his own father killed a kid, the wife who has to be reminded that it was her idea to go to the gas station and blame herself even when she shouldn’t. Plenty of people were horribly affected by this. They all deserve sympathy, don’t think because someone is showing it for one of them means that they don’t care about all. That’s a stupid conclusion and way to think. The only one who doesn’t deserve sympathy is the murderer.
@Jermaine Washington also doesn't anyone find it weird she didn't want to go to the police but instead says to him, we have to go back home right now! I get that he probably was abusing her. I've been abused myself and I get why women don't leave but she just found out he killed a guy and her first thought is let's just go back home and wait for the police to call us if they find us?
@miki minach Which specific comments are "as if a child didn't die"? So when you grow up you'll understand you can feel sympathy for multiple people at once. And saying you feel bad for one person does not mean you are saying you don't feel bad for someone else.
@JIKitty thank you! That’s what I was thinking reading all these comments. It’s just that we feel empathy for Rhonda because she is being filmed here.
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Well, Rhonda wants to detach herself from Dunn, completely. She understamds he has no future, and is hated throughout all black communities in America. Siding with him, no matter if he tells the truth or not, will mean she will live in fear the rest of her life, "the racist's wife who helped him dodging a life sentence for murdering a sweeeeet black teenage darling boy" - is not how she wants to spend her life. She knows she has to side with the black people to protect herself from BLM rage. The good thing is that she probably told the truth, though. It's all pretty simple; she didn't want ANY part of this, she detached herself from Dunn with a surgical cut, so to speak. She doesn't want to hear his name, or see him, ever again.
There’s something wrong with you if you don’t have the capability to comprehend that you can feel bad for more than one person affected by a situation. You must be one of those people who shames someone for crying when they scraped their knee, because you know someone who has no legs. One has nothing to do with the other. Saying you feel remorse for his fiancé doesn’t somehow mean you don’t feel remorse for the victim. Grow up.
I don't feel sorry for either one of them... Doesn't matter who's idea it was to go to the gas station. It's not hard to deal with music in a parking lot for 5 to 10 minutes... If he didn't want to hear that music , simply leave, how hard is it.... Also she should of called the cops, I don't care if he's her fiance, wrong is wrong... She's to blame as well ...
good people don't get engaged to homicidal racists. She's a terrible judge of character and chose multiple times to not leave him and call the police on him. The moment she got in that car and drove away from the crime scene with him, she became an accomplice. I only wonder how many more times she has watched him drunkenly attack/kill young black kids and then helped him abandon the scene. For all we know, she only cares this time because it ended up on the news and she knew they would get caught
@The Life of Mary D. just think this. You’re in a moving car with a man who just confessed to shooting at a car just because their music was too loud? Would you really want to aggravate him even further by phoning the police?
@Ellie Walton Come on. 😒The ONLY time she could call is in the car. Not when they got to the hotel? Not before they left that morning?😊 No innocent adult in their right mind shoots at someone and or kills them and doesn't know they need to talk to law enforcement...right away! I'm not emotionless but a child died, because the adults around him who know better were careless and selfish. She lied and was evasive to protect her fiancé, granted...but your fiancé is a murderer of a minor. I understand scared, but she wasn't afraid enough to excuse herself to the lobby and call 911. I understand where you're coming from but even taking into account human error, it's still hard for me to make excuses for a grown woman that wasn't directly threatened. There were definitely better decisions she could have made that wouldn'tve implicated her. 🤷🏾♀️
@Caleb Gann A decent person would have called the police. A decent person wouldn't have stuck by a murderer and dutifully called him to stroke his ego and tell him he was totally justified in murdering children.
@Eltanin25 One of the scientists working on the case, Oleg Gazenko, regretted allowing her to die. However, they should've at least tried to have her survive the voyage. Even if they had failed, an effort would've been made.
@The Life of Mary D. I don't think it serves any good purpose to look from an outsider's point of view and act like any one of us would've done better in her position. This isnt a situation you prepare for, you're thrown into it. No one falls in love with their fiancee expecting they might one day have to turn them into the police. It's a very disorienting and confusing situation you're thrust into and you have a short amount of time to know what the right thing to do is, ESPECIALLY when something as grave as murder is involved. Likely she was just too stunned to act on anything and waited for something to help her make her decision. Once the police reached out to her she figured out what to do.
@Pimparoo I hear you, but I can look from an outside POV and KNOW I would have done differently. In part because the only standard I'm holding her to is the legal one that says evoke the 5th, but don't lie or mislead. Or, if you're with someone who murdered another and run with them you've become an accessory. I understand humans react to stress in strange ways. I assume that had it not been for lack of evidence they would have charged her. But short of being threatened/ forced, the law doesn't excuse breaking the law. You're still responsible for you're behavior even if you're under pressure.
@Richard Milliken that's fair. But she knew he shot at a car full of kids and didn't call the police, at pizza and had a couple drinks. She did take the stand, was terrified, and her testimony helped seal a conviction. For that I guess she should be commended. But she really had no choice other than to tell the truth or she would have gone to prison herself if she'd lied.
Yep, she’s the victim here. This is the problem. Those boys will be traumatized forever and we’re saddened for the lady who witnessed it. I have some sympathy for her of course but how can nobody care about those boys and the growing violence they face. Gross.
@The Life of Mary D. she was likely in shock. People in shock don't make good decisions or think clearly. It wasn't her fault at all and she carries zero blame
@La Belle Lune Everyone's responsible for their own action or lack of action. Im not saying shock couldnt have contributed to her behavior, Im saying that it doesn't completely excuse it. And im glad they took the time to discern before just locking everyone away. However, I dont believe she's free because shes not culpable. Many others in her exact situation arent.
@Jermaine Washington Did she know someone was killed when they took off? Or did all she know was he shot up a car. When she tells the detectives she saw the news it sounds to me like that is the first time she realized someone was killed.
@Quinten and JoAnn Klonowski I don't understand why people respond like this. OBVIOUSLY the kids and their family have it worse. They lost a child, a friend, a loved one in a senseless crime. Nobody is trying to devalue that BUT his fiance now also has to deal with a guilty conscience and lots of other complex emotional trauma for something that wasn't her fault. She is also a victim whether or not you want to understand it.
The satisfaction that we get from watching the Black detective inform him that “there were NO WEAPONS in the vehicle” and Dunn’s whole demeanor shifted.
I feel like he thought if he claimed that he was threatened, everybody would believe he was justified because the kids were black. We see too many people try racist shit like that... glad he didn't get away with it.
@L E Yeah there's some sort of subservient weirdness going on with her. Not to her credit, she knows better, but she's conditioned to agree with and not contradict men. The phone call, he wants to go off and probably incriminate himself, she knows the call is monitored and manages to say something about "probably shouldn't talk about this" - he's gonna say something racist or incriminating and she tries to put him off gently, but he plows on. And the gripe about the music he makes, her reply was "yes, I know," - placating, allowing him to be right, but not offering any opinion of her own. She's used to him going on and on, and she doesn't contribute or contradict.
@KymbaKhan for what it’s worth, 2 of his ex-partners described him as controlling & manipulative. I don’t recall either of them using the word “abusive”, but both of them definitely said “controlling”. That really stood out to me. Rhonda should have handled certain things differently, but overall I do think she genuinely felt awful about the situation. & iir, she wasn’t subpoenaed, she testified voluntarily against her fiancé.
@Jazza BigHits they weren't married. If you want to remain with no girlfriend and live in your dad's basement all safe and protected then that's your choice. But don't blame a woman who has been called to testify and sworn in for telling the truth. If Michael had a brain in his head he would've stfu and minded his own business.
@Jazza BigHits are you gonna keep commenting this stupid shit on every reply? guys,(and gals) this just shows why marrying the right person is so important. i applaud her for telling the complete and honest truth and not letting this horrible man go free
@goatsmilky LOL, I agree with you 100%, marrying the right person IS important. You shouldn't wait until you're about to get married to realise if they're a bad person or murderer, if you've taken that long, you're pretty ignorant yourself.
Amazing how he doesn’t want to be in a room with “animals” and “they” are violent. Yet he’s the one that killed someone that night yet he’s the victim?
Goddamn...the way his fiance says the idea to stop for wine was hers breaks my heart. You can just see the thought: "if I hadn't done that, none of this would have happened."
I hope she doesn't blame herself for what happened to Jordan. None of that had to happen if Dunn had acted differently.
It was meant to be. There was no white wine at the wedding reception, only red. Rhonda prefers white and was probably hankering for it all through the reception. That is why she just had to stop and pick up a bottle. That decision to serve only red wine set this whole string of events into motion...
Sad part is this guy saw 4 young black men who were just doing what teenagers do and thought he had the right to shoot at them. It is so pointless and tragic a young man lost his life and three others have to live with losing their friend and being shot at for no reason.
She took a dangerous criminal off the streets, her fiance... That man shot those kids for simply insulting him, it was only a matter of time before he took another life.
@LeftEyeReport I agree! I have a very strong feeling that he was abusive towards her. The way she acts in the first questioning (small voice), versus the way she acts in the second one, is very different.
Probably pointless to lie at that stage, since the police would certainly have ascertained whether the accused had mentioned to her that he had seen a weapon. It's interesting to note that the accused did not seem to have 'primed' his fiancee with his narrative of events for use in her questioning by the police. He seems to have been far too casually and naively sure that a vague claim of self defence would suffice. No signs of remorse, either, for the life he took for nothing more than his wounded pride and lack of self control.
@samsara Yes! This case was odd, because of the defendants demeanor. But honestly, I think he's the kind who's nasty behind closed doors. I really hate to sound cruel that way, but after going through a DV situation, and now watching people (over the past 10 years), it's not that hard to tell who's hiding something... Victim or Perp. There are just certain signs with both of them. I know it sounds crazy, but after you go through something like I did, you just notice things differently, than before (kind of like a sixth sense I guess). Not sure if you noticed how the fiance talked on the stand, and then how she talked in the interrogation room... Way different. Even at his second trial when she was NOT engaged to him anymore, she didn't sound as weak as she did in the first hearing. He's the type of person who acts all "chummy and kind" in person, but has a mean streak... I think. I could be wrong, but I don't think so with this one.
@Jeffrey Epstein's Rotten corpse how could she realistically be charged as an accessory to murder?? the thing is they would have no way of proving that she was lying and covering something up if she said he told her about the gun. it could easily be assumed that he had lied to her too.
@Goose I could definitely see that, she also said in her interview that she didn't challenge his thought process bc she knew he was angry so she'd bring it up later when he wasn't mad. Of course that could just mean she is trying to be considerate for his feelings, but it could also mean she knew better than to mess with him when he's mad.
@Bailey Because they weren't married yet she couldn't invoke her 5th Amendment Right not to testify against her spouse. She was a key witness to the state and had to testify or she would be charged for withholding evidence and interfering with an investigation.
@Only Two Shoes i'm aware, but she was allowed to testify for or against him. i'm just saying that she could have very well testified in his favour if she wanted to, no one could have proven she was lying.
@Only Two Shoes it would, if she was caught. again she is testifying about conversations that happened between just the two of them at multiple points in time. correct me if i'm wrong, but there was very little possibility they would be able to prove she would be lying if she said he told her about another gun. unless in her first interrogation with the police she told them he never told her there was a gun, which may of happened but i was multitasking while watching this so I didn't catch every single detail, but i don't recall that being the case.
@Bailey No, you are correct. She definitely could have lied and there would be little chance that she would have been caught. I think one of the other commenters for this video said she stated that her fiancé was verbally and physically abusive, so she might have seen telling the truth as her way out of a relationship she knew was toxic and dangerous.
“Hard for her to tell the truth”? Since when is it “hard to tell the truth” ffs. It’s a sign of a sick society when in the case of a murder one assumes that responsible adults find it “hard to tell the truth”.
@Minoozola I don't know where you live, but here in America with have 5th Amendment Rights, where you can't be forced to testify against your spouse, because it is hard to tell the truth when it results in putting someone you love away in prison. Fortunately, that was not the case in this scenario, but yes telling the truth is not always easy.
@Jeffrey Epstein's Rotten corpse I'm not saying nobody told her that the police definitely share traits with the rest of us and often try to use people's ignorance to scare them and honestly I understand that it's right on par with how a lot of us (myself very much included) would have no problem depending on the situation obviously with lying to some degree to minimize our consequences but yeah I mean regardless of what they may or may not have told her I think I would have had a hard time keeping a straight face I'm sure it was more of a scare tactic but accessory after never would have happened for her and this is just my opinion but I would expect her demeanor to be different in the first interview than it was in court but how could it not be? I doubt it has anything to do with her being afraid of getting in trouble especially since she still didn't lie in the first one either even though she could have. Again though I'm not surprised that she was acting differently the first interview was just her and the detectives the second time was in court acknowledging that he (who she had been with for years) was lying while he was there looking at her the whole time I could be wrong but I seriously doubt that has anything to do with being afraid of getting in trouble
@Jeffrey Epstein's Rotten corpse I know! I don't think she did just to get of being charged because she had so many chances to call the police but she didn't.
@Goose I think you are spot on! Narcissist abusers are "nice" in public, often popular and well liked but are not "kind" genuine people. It's all a ruse.
well, why is this man under trial? A software engineer, big brain man, taken from his freedom for 4 lowlifes good at nothing at they are as they are? Well done America, well done.
Continue to defend the 'usual suspects" and nothing will remain out of your country. You see the signs already. You want to be defiant and disrespectful? well, then you deserve it.
@LeftEyeReport Let's be honest though, they weren't children, they were young adults. It's absolutely horrible what he did, but people should really stop overusing the word "child" just because they are under 20 years old.
im not religious in the slightest, but this is the one reason i actually admire religious people. You're not gonna lie about shit like this, if you think the big G is listening in.
It takes quite a level of psychopathy (narcissism?) to act in such fashion/be triggered by loud music (even if it isn’t his style). I wouldn’t answer his calls again and move/change my number. How would her future life with him have been like?
@samsara Yeah probably wasn't able to ever talk to her directly(in private) since he went right to jail after his initial interview and stayed until trial. Jerkoff just assumed she would back his story up if/when she was called as a witness.
Did that man seriously say in the interrogation room at 41:19 "the last thing I'm looking for is trouble" ??!!
Yeah, I shot at someones car and killed an innocent 17-YEAR-OLD, (and could have killed more if their fight or flight response were to freeze) devastating not just his life, tragically lost, but also the lives of all of the people who cared about him and were rooting for him to follow his dreams and see the man he becomes...but, I wouldn't want the police officers to not get their rest, because, after all...ThE lAsT tHiNg I'm LoOkInG fOr Is TrOuBlE... 🙄
The problem was certainly not the loud music. He just hated the boys for being black and took their behaviour as a "lack of respect" for the white chief. Rhonda was great. Not for a moment, she tried to protect the bloke. She just did what she had to do.
@Glass Moon Wrong, sir. I usually don't do that, and whenever I do it, it is not "automatically". I am not one of those who "automatically" say "they executed the bloke because he was black", or "he was beaten up by police because he was black." BUT, in this particular case, my impression is that racism is a plausible explanation. As far as I can see, his own wife thought that way.
And I don't think that the 135 people who liked my comment (so far) are, all of them, black people. You know what I mean. Cheers.
This man is actually proud that he lit up a vehicle full of teenagers. No regret or trauma, and complete detachment from reality. Adds little descriptors like “quick as a flash” and “fluid motion” like he thinks he is some kind of badass.
@Parmoor It’s not even the gun; it’s the fact that the moment he pulled out his weapon he already had them on the run, and that clearly wasn’t enough for him.
@Érico Schmitt True. But the fact that even with the gun he still had a chance to let them go but didn’t is even more infuriating. At least if he lacked the option, I couldn’t be angered by his poor decision making.
@Taliban223 Ms Do you not see your own racist undertones in your own comment ? The lack of self awareness and critical thinking regarding the subject of race is the real problem. You're being baited into believing the world is a lot worse than it actually is
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This is just like the case of Michael Drejka (coincidentally same first name). These dudes are so ignorant from their own racism that it doesn't even register to them that situation they provoked led to the death of an innocent person.
This is just the prime example why guns aren’t making the world any safer. Don’t understand me wrong I’m all for the use of guns for recreational purposes but they aren’t making anything any safer and should not exist at all in public spaces.
His fiancee's testimony that the shooter never mentioned seeing a gun in the other vehicle was devastating. Because any normal person would immediately attempt to explain to their significant other the reasons why they fired multiple rounds at another car. It would be the first thing one would do. It's human nature. Coupled with the fact that he left the scene of the crime and did not call the police, this all spoke to his guilt.
R Daysh That’s a good point. To be fair, she was reliant on traveling back to their home with their dog and such. Calling the police while in the same hotel or such may put her/the dog in danger when she can call later that day. I know there are plenty of other options, but I still think that is a rough spot to be
@R Daysh I thought they said they called from the house, and I imagine it's the most difficult situation to be in, it can take a bit of time to actually comprehend a situation sometimes. Tbh she seems quite timid, I feel like he treated her like shit. I was pleasantly surprised when I saw her standing against him.
Bro she left the scene of a crime and didn't say shit
She turned on her own husband to get off
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@PANDA Not entirely sure she knew the extent, or if the two of them were actually in danger. She has nothing to be charged with. She was not driving, did not provide information or shelter. She is totally in the clear. Her testimony against him, as far as I can tell, was because she determined it was right. Absolutely could have gotten away with saying he DID mention a gun in the kids' car on the way from the gas station. NOBODY would be able to discredit that.
@PANDA She did not fully realize what happened until they were back home and she is so timid that she seems to have been overpowered by his persona. I feel like she was in shock too. edit: she ran out of F's at the trial and stood up for herself to possibly gain immunity
@GreekNeek she fled the scene not knowing what had fully happened. She didn't see anything, she was in the store. All she had was her husband's perspective, a manipulated perspective at that. Also, she's with him the whole time. How is she supposed to call the police on him in his presence without endangering herself. Also this is the 'love of her life'. Someone she imagined spending the rest of her life with. It can be extremely difficult to let that go. To betray someone you love, despite what they did. Ever heard the phrase love is blind? It really can be blinding. She was probably in a huge state of shock and confusion. All I can say is props to her for not protecting him when speaking to the cops or court, ultimately she told the truth. But yes, you're right, the real victim here is 100% the tragic life of that child that was taken far too soon. Heartbreaking. That said, this lady deserves forgiveness and understanding. You can see she has a good heart.
In most parts of the states failiure to report is not a crime. In this case she was only a witness. She did not help him commit the crime nor did she attempt to cover it up. I believe spouses especially have the privilege in choosing not to speak or testify BUT she still did!
He was/is a murder waiting to happen and I think she knew it. Racially motivated, he knew he would get contention saying what he said. He lies, then his conversation saying he is the victim....like when!!!?????
I mean in all seriousness, if he can shoot a stranger what is he capable of doing behind closed doors. She is as much a victim as others, she would have been in shock at first, then panic, then confusion. That man was never a victim. He could have walked on by....
I think she's the biggest winner here by loosing him ! Imagine if she stuck with this humanlike entity the rest of her life ! She must be so happy now he's out of her life.
Aaron Hughes exactly. you never know what happens behind closed doors. means that his immediate reaction to that is to shoot instead of ignoring it, it’s highly probable he is the same behind closed doors. She also said “i didn’t want to make him any angrier”. You never know the truth behind relationships
MAGADETH shes not complicit. there’s enough witnesses to say she was inside of the store (not complicit only a witness). She was only given half the truth from his perspective (which is shown to be false). She’s not complicit.
I honestly cant believe some of the comments saying the fiance was in the wrong for dropping him in it. She did the correct and right thing by telling the truth. I dont understand why people are saying she shouldnt have thrown him under the bus. She is clearly traumatised. He also seems to show emotion but doesnt shed a single tear and lied in his silence
@R Daysh if you saw someone you loved wanted by police you would probably not believe it is them at first, then have a moral dilemma over what to do (no matter who you are, it is a traumatic experience and you will hesitate, don’t even disagree) then they make the decision on what they do, she was honest. She made the right choice. I know most people here are riding the coat tails of the racism hatred but don’t say dumb shit.
B S I agree with you, but I think she was afraid of him. If my significant other killed someone, I honestly wouldn’t get in the car with him and drive back home. She was probably in shock and didn’t know what to do. He seems manipulative and emotionally abusive and she seems very timid
@PANDA fiance, well it's a good thing she didn't cover for him and corroborate the story, if she had lied and testified that the finance did mention seeing a shotgun, take the gun out of their car when they got to the hotel and fear for their life etc. Then the middle class white jury may have believed them, if their stories matched, and didn't talk to police before seeking council they would have had a strong liklihood of getting away with it. If any of the black teens had any hint of a record they'd also would have gotton away. The right wing like to point at Goerge Floyd's past record as an excuse why he was retrained with a knee to his neck.
No doubt this guy is in prison and joined the aryan brotherhood, he decided to park next to the black guy's car and tell them to put the music down as a provocation, because he knew he had a gun in the car and trying to incite a response as an excuse to shoot and kill them.
@Grimshaw Grummage you realize that if you go to prison, you are joining a racial gang, regardless of your beliefs, right? That's the order of things in prison.
@R Daysh Anyone would be afraid after seeing what the person you're with is capable of. You aren't Finnair convince me she isn't or hasn't been afraid of him or been on the other end of his violence etc
Someone said he abused his ex-wives, so he was probably abusing her too. Women in that kind of situation will rarely turn in their SOs for crimes, they're conditioned to be scared and obedient. The fact that she testified against him demonstrates that she is a good person.
Keep in mind, she didn't know that any shots hit anyone. She said that when she got in the car and she asked, "is anyone hurt" that man said "no, it's fine" she didn't know. And she was scared.
I dont blame her, shes just way too nice to everyone, including bad people. 1. She heard gunshots and left the scene 2. Guy confessed to her as they drive off, she does nothing 3. Sees report on news, still does nothing
@PANDA if you’ve never been in an abusive situation, you cannot say her actions were wrong. he literally pulled his gun on some random kid whose music was too loud, there’s no saying what he would’ve done to her if she had tried to resist/defy him.
From the conversation with him in jail I'd say she had been in denial for a while but deep down she knew he was a murderer and she couldn't be with him anymore, when she started being interrogated it was a turning point and she decided to do the good thing, good for her
@Billy Caves I love dogs but a normal person would be more concerned about potentially dead people; especially if there’s no indication that the dog is in any danger.
@James Moseley Kid was already dead, dog wasn't. Nothing can be done about the kid at this point. Can always report it later. But I could easily understand how she would think maybe dude is off his rocker after what he said/did, maybe would try to challenge the police in a standoff because he did not want to go to prison for the rest of his life, or threaten her about it, either way his actions could hurt/kill HER OR the dog.
@R Daysh They were engaged and she didnt know what happened, how heartless are you? Would you immediately call the police if your s/o was involved in some sort of crime and you dont even know the extent?
@Corrupted Yes she knew exactly what happened they saw it on the news. And no I probably would not call the police on my spouse, but I'd then be going to prison for not doing that, that's the law in the USA. She is guilty, got off because she is a middle age white women.
She really didn’t know what to do and felt lost when everything went down until the detective called her. But she was very obviously upset and the frustrated and possible afraid for her own safety which makes sense because she didn’t call the police. She did the right thing in the end and honestly should have cut off the engagement as soon as she saw it in the news. But that’s my opinion and it really doesn’t matter in this situation
All these comments talking about Rhonda being some kind of saint, what the actual f*ck?? Are ya’ll insane? She left with a murderer and didn’t call the cops. She stayed him with him even after the verdict. She shows no real remorse for what happened to the kid or the families involved. Only for herself. She should’ve been charged as an accomplice. She’s a spineless alcoholic who probably drinks twice as much now cuz she thinks of herself as a victim just as her fiancé does. What a joke.
@R Daysh not trying to say that was the correct action, but I’m sure she was also probably in shock / scared of what he would do if she had just witnessed him opening fire on a bunch of unarmed teenagers. I’m not sure I would be able to call the police immediately, either.
@R Daysh Michael Dunn was married twice before, and both wives alleged he was mentally and physically abusive. If that's true, she probably went through the same with him. I believe she was probably afraid of him.
Akane please don't get married. I could be mean or salty and say something like "i hope one day your spouse doesn't cover for you or have your back", but I don't hope for any marriage to fail. If you love someone enough to marry them but won't cover for them, you're not really loving them. Please, just don't get married.
@R Daysh I don't think she knew at that time he shot at the kids. She was inside, heard gunshots, went back to the car and they left. She never said he told her what happened.
@R Daysh dude u Can tell from her voice that she's an abuse survivor so of course she's scared of her abusive husband considering he had no problem murdering someone. I guarantee she would've inevitably gone to thepolice but there wasn't time for her to not to mention she's in a shared car
Self awareness. She'd probably seen court scenes where attorneys object to speculation on the part of witnesses, and was second guessing herself as to the appropriateness of her answers (facts vs feelings).
@R Daysh I think we can give her the benefit of the doubt that she was in a state of shock, and was also probably scared to contact the police knowing that her husband is a volatile cry baby who will murder someone if they say something he doesn't like.
@Alan Canon She asked for permission from the detective to speak about her thoughts...the way I see it, it honestly sounds like she was being abused and was used to asking permission for things like this....
it's harrowing to see a woman so upset and stricken with remorse i genuinely believe she's like that because she believes she might have been at fault because she suggested to grab some wine from a station. she's a wonderful woman with a lot of heart and didn't deserve some prick to enter her life and cause so much pain.
This is why I treat others with respect. You often don't know who is a psycho until it's too late. That one boy didn't give an F but he met someone who REALLY didn't give an F. So sad, it all could've been avoided for those boys.
As the saying goes, "We are all the hero of our own stories"
You'd be surprised just how much humans are capable of bending the objective truth to conceal a crime or other emotionally charged situation they are unwilling to face.
He genuinely see's himself as the hero, having done nothing wrong.The cognitive dissonance is really strong.
Is crazy how great some people feel when snuffing out minorities. They really love it and enjoy it. Seeing kids in cells and kids dead, they really celebrate it. I wish everyone would just be real about it so we can maybe think about growing as a society. Won’t happen In my lifetimes though so I just hope I make it to old age before another “victim” comes around and I may be in the area
An out of shape man 2/3's through his life claiming a mental trophy after killing an unarmed 17 year old with one of the most effective weapons in history. What a damn gladiator, this man is sick. I feel safer knowing he's locked up and that i can listen to Beastie Boys in a parking lot without having to worry about software dev's going rambo.
@Linmayzie Mitchell There is a silver lining to all of this. He will never get out of prison on his own two feet. He will not be able to harm anyone again.
@Not Sure yeah wanna know what else is dumb? Doc told me drinking petrol “wasn’t healthy” like what could go wrong I’ve only had 3 strokes and 4 liver failures but that’s prob because the government was trying to brainwash me
His lawyer after watching this interrogation: 🤦🏻♂️
I mean I get it. He probably thought he was justified for shooting and when you’ve been through a traumatic event and feel you have done nothing wrong you might talk to the police because you feel you have nothing to hide, it won’t hurt to talk and you want to be cooperative. Here’s the thing, NOTHING good comes out of talking to the police in ANY scenario. In any kind of criminal investigation it will never help you, it will only hurt you. Nothing can be decided in a police station, it’s not the court room. Talking has nothing but downsides. Lawyer up and wait for the court room to make your case.
I have a gun in the house. I have not seen it in probably 10 years. In fact, its not loaded, and if I ever needed it, I probably couldn't get to it in time anyway. I think unfortunately there are those who have been trained how to use a gun - almost to the point of expecting they will one day need to pull their weapon and use it. I feel this guy has set the bar in his mind justifying what constitutes the NEED to pull his weapon. He may not have consciously been wanting to run into a situation like this, but its like he trained just a bit too much in anticipation. Over music?
This honestly has become almost like a podcast to me where I’ll listen to it all day while driving during the day at work. I enjoy the content as disturbing as all these people are
It’s interesting that his first response to “could it have been your imagination” was a defensive confused “no.” The whole implication of his story is that he might have misunderstood the threat in a moment of fear. That is what he needs everyone to entertain to save his ass. Evidence shows that there was no weapon, no one coming out of the car, no real threat—-but I thought there was. But once that gets explicitly expressed he denies it. Idk for sure, but it feels like he cannot stomach the explicit idea that he messed up at all. It’s more important that he feel perfect than it is for him to have plausible deniability.
depends if the other person showed a weapon imo but in this case the teens clearly didn’t try and cause trouble they were just playing loud music that pissed this guy off
@Linus Karlsson They're playing music, they're not remotely a threat 😂 & them turning up the music to say, "You don't tell us what to do" still does not classify them as a threat or being threatening.
@jjosephdubya Of course it makes sense, you doofus. Not saying these kids did anything wrong, cause we know at this point that they didn't. But in a driveby, people drive away from the person they're shooting all the time, with the driver being separate from those doing the shooting.
@jjosephdubya It does make sense. The passenger was the one that Michael said had a shotgun, not the driver. Michael says he shot the second volley of 4 bullets to keep their heads down. In his story, why couldn't the passenger try to shoot him as he's driving away?
@Josianne Ash It doesn't matter whether or not they had a shotgun. The defense has to prove that Michael thought he was in imminent danger, and acted in selfdefense
@jjosephdubya bruh your mad confused. No one is talking about this specific case or saying there was a gun. He literally only said that in a hypothetical situation you could claim self defense from a car moving away.
Linus Karlsson the fact that you specifically say “black people” in this statement shows that you’re a racist. putting it in the specific context of “well when they’re black they’re threatening” is the exact problem. it’s very sad to see that you think this way
@DeToxcc Zebra if he thought he was in imminent danger he wouldn't have lied about the imagery weapon.. He would have spoken the truth.. He couldn't even get his lie straight..😒
You can easily claim that, just like how you can claim that being shot twice in the back of the head is suicide. I can claim to be the Queen of England.
Not necessarily. If the kids were to shoot first and he shot after them and they took off, it could be because they got scared and wanted to flee the crime scene as to not get apprehended. We know this didn’t happen, but just as an example, your scenario isn’t necessarily true.
@Adam Gillespie Exactly. You're going to drive off in like 2 minutes anyway after his wife purchased the alcohol. That's why there's the notion of "picking your battles."
@Nicole first of all, assuming someone is a thug based on their behavior does not make me a racist. Second, thug music isn't called that for nothing. So when younglings listen to thug music, and then act disrespectful, i can very well think they are also capable of threatening him. I never said they did do it. If they didn't then hell yes he was a cold blooded murderer. But non of us really know the whole truth.
Also, yes, i am slightly racist. And i have good reasons for it too. Not gonna give you my lifes story tho, nor do i expect you to understand or accept that. However i would never think harming ANYONE is ok except in clear self defense.
@Courier Black never said that. What i meant that kind of behavior makes me see that they are also capable of also threatening him. Never underestimate what a group of young men would do to show each other they are alpha.
Linus Karlsson it’s annoying but NOT a threat. Unless someone on their side had flashed a gun at him or said something like “you’re DEAD” there would sort of be an argument of “self defense”
@S E B so many ppl reply saying "playing loud music isn't a threat". I NEVER SAID IT IS. Do you not read before you push "reply" or do you lack basic reading comprehension?
@Misti D yeah, based on their behavior connected to my personal experience, i definitely think they are the kind of ppl who are capable to threat someone.
@Misti D well yeah he killed the kid, so ofc he is a murderer. And don't get me wrong, violence is not acceptable in any form. And there is no proof of them threatening him, so its a just verdict in that sense.
@Kid’s World Entertainment i litterally did not. I said i can see how they posed a threat. As in i find it believable that they thretened him. As i said, don't strawman.
@Linus Karlsson You can see how they posed a threat through personal experience, because you too also get scared of black people that play loud music. I just find it ironic that you’re actually trying to say something about a “straw man” when you’re sitting here trying to convince people that loud music is life threatening 😂😂😂
@Linus Karlsson loud music=threat? Noone has a right to demand any music to be turned down in the parking lot of a gas station, and since we all know a kid was shot how is even arguing that they were a “threat” constructive?
@G Ham too loud music can be an offense you can be fined for, if its disturbing. So no, you can't be how loud you want. Stop making a strawman. I never said loud music is a threat. What i meant was i can immagine them threatening him, judging by how they behaved.
@Linus Karlsson WTF DID THEY HAVE TO RESPECT HIM FOR? He ain’t nobody respect is earned! All he had to do was get his fuckin wine and go tf home or to his hotel or wherever he was going!! All of this could’ve been avoided if he just minded his business and went home! They have every right to play music! YOURE MISSING THE POINT AND YOURE IN THIS MONSTERS DEFENSE!
@Linus Karlsson I listen to “thug” music all time but can barely kill a insect stop trying to justify this he was wrong he had no reason to feel threatened
@John Smith a lot of people would have felt threatened in this situation. Most would not have felt like they needed to kill or be killed, however. Especially based on all the evidence presented.
@Linus Karlsson so you can imagine them threatening him because of how they behaved? You weren’t even there. They didn’t even threaten him, this is made clear in the video.
@Carlin Pendleton (sorry for my tardiness lol) but in a normal case I 100% agree, obviously in this case no one in that car had a gun or actually showed one.
@Linus Karlsson yo listening to river dance music doesn’t make me start clogging bro wtf does thug music even mean. Y’all are so.....clearly the problem. That entire mentality was his he went in the situation and it shows
@Linus Karlsson you would feel anxious around them why exactly? They’re teenagers who listen to loud music that doesn’t seem very threatening or are u threatened just because they’re black? Because that is certainly what it seems like lmao when will u people learn that the color of someone’s skin does not make them threatening 🙄
@AfricanBeard since i stereotype blacks, i suppose i am a racist per se. However i don't dislike someone solely by skincolor. The guys in the clip for example, i wouldn't hold a grudge against them. But i would not interract with them because my experience says they potentially mean trouble. Do you see the difference?
@Linus Karlsson “black people listen to thug music?” lol my dad is a die hard Bruce Springsteen fan... he blasts that all day long. He’s black. Is that thug music? Oh and I listen to classical music because i play classical guitar. Am I a thug? Oh I am black as well. Try again to not sound completely racist.
@Jay b yes, thats the only thing i wrote in my entire post, right? Way to cherry pick just to make some selfrighteous spewing. I don't need you you agree with me. I have my own experience. If i find it possible that they are ppl who COULD threath somone base on their culture and behavior, then you gotta accept that. I never said the DID threat him at all actually.
@KhizDidIt well, everyone aren't born and live in some nice suburban utopia. Some of us live in places where the black neighbour, Mr. Robinsson, is a super nice guy. Some of us deal with being victim of oppression, harrassment and racism from blacks on a daily basis. Where they all listen to thug music and act accordingly to this mans description hard to believe huh? Im not stupid, i know ppl are not evil because they have a dark skin color. But from my experience, if i see black ppl that listen to that kind of music, and act disrespectful, i have to watch out.
@Linus Karlsson stop your victim complex.I can tell from your previous comments that you probably were being a racist and then they retaliated.You just admitted in your previous comment that you are a racist!You judge black people if they play “thug music”.You are the definition of a racist.And the man was clearly over exaggerating and lying.We can clearly see this from him lying about the barrel sticking out the window so it is clear he lied about other things.Stop being a racist and be quiet.
@Ioan Jeffrey but i am a victim. And no, i wouldn't dare express any racist word. Im too much of a coward for that. Its more their behavior i judge them by, as i have already said plenty of times. but in the end its the whole situation. He was definitely overeaggerating. And he killed someone. Its terrible.
@Linus Karlsson If you stop at a gas station, mall, public parking, ect, and sombody is playing loud music. Why t.f don't you move your f car away from them if it bothers you.
@Linus Karlsson They didn't owe him any respect after he rudely confronted them about music. Regardless, disrespect does not equal a threat or "capable to threat" whatever that means. Based on your comments It sounds like you're "threatened" by the mere presence of black men.
@Linus Karlsson How would you know they even could pose a threat or were potentionally dangerous? You do not know those people. You are literally basing that they were dangerous just off of the color of their skin. Literally few teenagers listening to loud music are in you eyes dangerous because they are black. That's not a solid argument, it's very much your biased opinion based on stereotypes and apparently the things that happened to you in the past. But you definetely shouldn't generalise people based on their skin colour or other traits especially when it comes singular cases.
I don’t blame him, where im from you can get killed for simply bumping on someone on the train, forget about when them popeys chicken sandwiches came out lmfaooo you never know with these people
@Linus Karlsson "To be fair, black ppl listening to thug music that was turned down, just to abruptly turned up again was very likely to show "no bruh, you dont tell us what to do". I can see that they posed a threat to the man." Interested to see how you can spin that one into not implying that playing loud music is a threat, Mr. Reading Comprehension. That's almost a verbatim reading of your words my guy lol
@Linus Karlsson I'm curious why you didnt just say "people playing loud music is a threat" in spite of saying "black people playing loud music is a threat".
@Linus Karlsson What is 'thug music', rap music with controversial themes? It seems like the only way to lend credibility to Dunn's thought processes is to pretend that rap music and black children is/are intimidating which is EXTREMELY subjective considering how popular the music is among people of all races and cultures.
Honestly, people like Dunn demonstrate that they do not have the capacity to evaluate what constitutes a threat due to his personal beliefs about people who do not look and act like them.
@Linus Karlsson weird how you seemingly know what a strawman argument is but not the right name for rap music,you'd have to have some pretty serious blinders on to not at least know the term "hip hop".
Let's put everyone from any race into a box and hate anyone with that color skin because of it. Believe that anyone of a certain race couldn't possibly be any other way or think any other way then a preconceived notion. The spread of this belief in this country is rapid. It is sickening.
@Linus Karlsson I kinda do get what you are trying to say. Dunno what these clowns above me getting mad about. There is definitely some thug music and you can feel threatened, not to the points of shooting but sure. And if you listen to the video which I guess people didn't do they did threaten him with words wow huh? what? they threatened him? Ye in video they do say that. Like imagine you ask someone to turn down the music they do, then they turn it back on and they start cursing at you. You feel somewhat unsafe and then you leave that area.
I live in an affluent neighborhood. I see white kids blasting “thug music” all the time but, they are not considered thugs right!? It’s just cool when they do it...smh 😒
@Linus Karlsson thug music? are you kidding me? Whole nations of teenagers nowadays do listen to rap music that you call "thug"? Who the hell he is to tell them what to do? Maybe he said it in a threatening manner? He was drunk and rude. He actually created the threat himself by coming to their car and threatening them for listening to the music loudly. It never should justify his lies about being threatened.
@DeToxcc Zebra because Michael lied about seeing a shotgun. And he lied about the conversation which was way shorter then he described according to independent witnesses. He contradicted himself there was loud music yet he heard every word they supposedly said to each other in the car. Then he sees a gun pointed at him and instead of hiding to avoid being shot, he opens up goes to the gun comes out of the car and starts blasting. Does it look logical to you and in accordance with his version of events? Not for everyone else, hence the defense failed to prove he was thinking he was in immediate danger. He didn't call 911, he didn't say to his fiancé a word about the gun yet said everything else, no proof of his words later whatsoever. He needed to have an excuse for that many bullets that's where all of those "rear seat passenger" and a shotgun came from. He was drunk and lost control from rage. btw, on everyone not saying he is racist, here is his neighbor evaluation/recollection what he was saying: https://floridajustice.com/michaeldunn, 18:51 timestamp
@Zstead one yeah thats the part about reading comprehension. Was my focus on the music itself, or their mannerism? You clearly lack skills in reading comprehension since you think my issue was the dB of the music.
@Linus Karlsson I don't hold back on racism as well, I'm just saying I have reasons to be racist too based on my experience, but I didn't become one. I agree with you it's sometimes even seems popular to be openly shaming white peoples racism and the nation itself here in America for bad things they did in the past for other people. I always felt awkward when I heard something like this, sometimes from my own white professors at college, who would say "what can we do to change our privilege?" xDD. But I have not seen it to this point in other countries I've lived or studied to. I believe it's in a way same situation as with Holocaust - more time needed to pass before people get settled on slavery and Nazis and it won't be relevant anymore. And you are right, overall the majority of black people at least in America I meet, seem to be looking to the future more than to the past.
@Linus Karlsson From the verbatim reading of your comment, the qualifier 'thug' is applied to the word 'music'. Therefore, it is safe to conclude that you meant the music. That's what's called reading comprehension- when you analyze meaning out of what is written. Just because you had some other meaning in your head and were too stupid to be able to convey it clearly doesn't mean everyone else lacks reading comprehension, you just either made a stupid mistake or are afraid of admitting the point.
@Linus Karlsson Except that's an implication that's far greater than the one you made, where you associated 'thug' with 'music' with 'threat'. Learn degrees of inferences and understand logical implications before you claim to see flaws.
@Linus Karlsson Ok, thanks for telling us. You are allowed to have a wrong sense of judgement just don't wonder when you're going to prison for 90 years because you are unable to judge a situation right and open fire on black teenagers, for listening to their "thug" music.
@avocado on toast w/egg and bacon He already said himself that he is kinda racist.Do you think he cares if you call him one ? The word is starting to lose its power and meaning which while sad is probably necessary.
@Amber Bela Muse I am not on his side here, but he clarified that he feels threatened by black people listening to rap. So no, he probably would not think you are a thug if you were listening to classic music.
@Almira Izumchensky We are all racist. Every single person on planet earth is a racist with no exception. You may not express it ever or have no racist thought in your life. But psychology tells us that it is human nature to prefer people who look similar to us (therefore people of the same race) to people who do not (therefore people of other races). In which scale we express our racism or if we express it at all is subjective, but per definition you and me and every other person is a racist. This is not an opinion, it's psychology. So starting your argument by saying that his arguments are invalid for the reason he is biased is simply put illogical. We are all biased. You as well. You might tell yourself that you are not but you are. It is in your nature.
@Linus Karlsson little boy that can hardly formulate a sentence. Trying ever so hard to convince the YT comment section he knows what he’s talking about.😂
@Marius Acripina you can actually generalize it to the point that we all are apes, we all breathe and we all die someday. What you are trying to do here, is to attach nationalism, or patriotism, to racism. Loving your own culture and prefer it over others is not equal to hate, disregard, discriminate another race and view it as not deserving to exist which actual racism is hence this word. There is no scale that expressing your love to your own race would mean eradicate other human beings that do not belong to that. Just because we are all animals at some degree, it does not mean being a rapist is just a maximum scale of expression of someone's love to sex. It's simply viewed as a psychological flaw, defect, ugliness in our world of humans. Yes we have ugly, we have sick people. That we punish or treat in specific places. Now systematic racism has become like an Overton window, that allowed a lot of people to express their ugliness where there was an opportunity. Does it mean it was normal? No. But for sure, some ugly people could use their twisted nature to torture someone while not being prosecuted. Many got the opportunity, while there still were many who never was supporter of that. American Civil War is a great example. Some people were just not ok with what was happening. Funny how you would justify systemic racism of Nazi Germans, all of them would who would burn people, who are not enough Aryas, in gas chambers. They for sure loved their own race! And in my family, almost all of my great-grand fathers left to war and died to save us all from "people who express their preference to their own culture to the biggest scale", as you would call it? 26+ millions from my country died in that war, and that number is an understatement. People from all around the world remember their grandparents, dads, mothers - who were hanged, lynched, burned, shot just a century ago, sometimes less, because someone....expressed preference to their own race to a bigger degree? if you relate this to your generalized point about us all being having instincts by our psychology - I feel sorry for you. It's been quite some time since people started globalizing, coexisting civilly. Children see no skill color. They play with each other. Those hateful agendas are being put into our minds by someone else.
@Linus Karlsson you can imagine them threatening HIM, but if that counted as justification for his actions, you could get away with anything as long as it felt okay in your own mind.
@S. H. im not a little boy, and im also not insulted by you trying to imply im childish. And yes, english isn't my native language, so im aware its far from perfect. But i also know i write well enough for you to understand everything i write perfectly well.
@Enomikas I think my question is more why he felt the need to open his mouth in the first place?? It’s so easy to just kind your business or move your car. Nobody owes anybody anything just for your personal comfort. Why is this even an argument?
@Linus Karlsson the way that you claim you’ve experienced racism and harassment while also being racist yourself by playing into stereotypes is so hypocritical and lacks self awareness. Dunn could’ve easily just minded his business and not gotten involved if he was so “threatened” by “thug” music. This isn’t a defense considering he put himself in the position for confrontation. He initially approached them according to his own story.
@Macalia Erickson look. My original comment was never meany to insinuate he was doing the right thing or anything right at all. All i meant to say was ye, black kids acting disrespectful, listening to this kind of music in a group fits very well into the stereotype and also my experience of ppl who are capable to threaten someone. Thats it. And yeah i already admitted to being racist. Im sure you are too, towards whites, in some degree. As i already stated in like a million replies, i don't, and never would; go around and act racist towards black ppl. Never in my life have i used violence, and never will. But i see stereotypes as true for most of the times, and its true that also makes me racist. Now calm down.
@Macalia Erickson I don't think people should get mad for asking to turn your music down. If you start cursing them just for that you should rethink your upbringing. And do you know what separates us from animals? we can talk and communicate. Look I'm not saying shooting was the right thing to do, heck no, he should go to jail. But if you start cursing at me for something as simple as that, I wouldn't want anything to do with you. There are people that shoot people for looking at them wrong. I don't want anything to do with you if you start yelling at me for something as stupid as music.
@Enomikas Exactly. People in this thread are acting as if they wouldn't even feel the slightest bit of trepidation when a car full of young men are blaring music and then get lippy when you ask them to turn it down.
@Enomikas I don’t think the teenagers response was appropriate either however, as I said previously, they didn’t owe Dunn anything. I will never understand expecting people to do things for you when you don’t know them.
@Linus Karlsson considering you have been arguing in these comments for a few months now, it seems you need to consider calming down. As for me, I do not judge people based on their skin tone considering many times, stereotypes are incorrect and personal experiences do not speak for the majority. As for the boys, it looks like even the police didn’t buy the idea of self defense so I’m not sure why you’re so invested in that. Can you explain why Dunn approached the car to begin with if he was so threatened by the music. Do you normally approach things that scare you? Nothing you’ve argued makes sense.
@Macalia Erickson i bet every penny i have ever owned you sometimes judge based on skin color. And stereotypes are stereotypes for a reason. And once again, whats up with you all thinking its the music being the threat? How many comments have i recieved now saying "how is loud music a threat", its stupid. He probably approached the care because he is a male karen and wanted to express his concern with loud music, but i wouldn't know because im not him. Nothing i argued makes sense? How sad.
@Linus Karlsson the only reason people are bringing up the music being a threat is because your original statement says that. The entire point that others have been arguing with you is that he’s a male Karen who got couldn’t mind his business and got involved. None of the comments you made have stated this at all and you keep canceling out your previous statements. Please pick an argument and stick with it cause you’re all over the place. This is hilarious and I hope you have a good one.
i'm not saying that his innocent, or anyone had a gun besides him. but if his story was true, the driver and shooter were two different person, so someone shooting your shooter, is a pretty reasonable to drive away.
@Mak there are soft people out. Not everyones in the army. Once I was comming home from work doing wheelies on my bicycles. Moved out of the of a car since it was a narrow street this was in UK and the guys thought I was stealing car parts. Did not have anything on me except for a small man purse? Got punched by one of them other tried to steal my phone but the others said no. What did I do wrong? It was in the night like 3am. And its not exatcly the music that scares me its more if a, them cursing at me while doing the opposite.
@Linus Karlsson lmfao "thug music" wtf does that mean , also i'm sure he started the engagement because he had a gun so he felt safe and have no doubt on using it after the minimum threat (which was turning up the music)
@YourStepMother people feel threatened when others respond to your request that way. It may be unfounded but that's how people feel. Language, disrespect, etc. I didn't mean feel like your life was threatened, so apology if you took it that way. That part was invented by the perpetrator. Clearly a lie, and the trial exposed this as you pointed out.
@Linus Karlsson it doesn't matter what the kids were listening. They could be listening to Satan music 🎶. One doesn't have the right to tell people what to do. If one doesn't like what others are doing, one can always leave. In this case, this guy ordered the kids to lower the music 🎶 because he was prejudiced towards the kids for their race. They lowered the volume, however, they realized the position of power he spoke, and said no to him by increasing the volume back up. He got angry and acted on his assumed position of power with violence and lethality.
@Linus Karlsson You can believe they are capable of threatening someone, that doesnt mean they did. Independent witnesses said they didn't. He killed him, had no justifiable defense.
@Linus Karlsson It was probably rap. Rap is not "thug music", it's a genre ppl enjoy. If he didn't like it, def could've moved the car to a different spot. Also, music does not always correlate with personality. I doubt they were genuinely threathening, he was just pissed some kids told him off. If he genuinely thought they were a threat and found out there really was no threat later, he would've been distraught that he just killed an innocent kid. He wasn't, showed no remorse, and kept trying to justify his actions. He deserves everything coming to him.
@Linus Karlsson So you believe that they posed a threat because they are black teens in a car blasting music? Well I think this man is lying because that's what majority of racist white middle aged men do when harming someone. From my personal experience I fully believe he is 100% lying😊
@Linus Karlsson no offense to your headass comment but no one knows what type of music they’re listening. For all we know they could’ve blasted some drake
@Marius Acripina are you that naive to believe its the “rap music” he was threatened by? iMy point is the term thug had nothing to do with music, nothing to do with mannerisms. Its their skin color. He was threatened by their black skin. He doesnt like black people and his girlfriend knew it.
@Linus Karlsson found the racist, jesus christ. Since when is loud music a threat? You’ve seriously never blasted music in the car with your friends when you were young? They’re kids. That’s what kids do. They’re only threatening if you’re afraid of black men.
@Carlin Pendleton false. Luckily stand your ground laws have especially detailed clauses for firing into a vehicle and what constitutes both aggression and appropriate retaliatory force. So in conclusion it's hard to claim self defense when you're firing into a vehicle driving away from you.
@Jordan Wade hmm.. even when the driver is a different person from the one actively shooting at you? I don’t think so. I mean it’d be a tricky tangly mess in court but… idk- I will say, it’s an interesting hypothetical..
@Macalia Erickson totally agree with your first comment ! Why he open his mounth just for music. Music ! Something who make people happy. And it's not like he would stay somes hours at the gas station, this is a public place where he came just for wine, so 5 mn, 10mn...if he felt bothered he can go...
Well, to be fair, bullets can still be fired out of a car in reverse and moving away from you. Problem is, all the boys did was verbally threaten Dunn so there's no evidence to justify him shooting into the car unlike Drejka who was violently pushed off his feet and unable to flee with his assailant standing over him.
You ain't lying,, that's exactly what it is,, well he say he shit the door because he felt afraid for his life,,, his mind is not like ours😁🤣😂🤣😂, he different🤦🤷🤣😂
@Brianna Alvarez Exactly!! I can’t with people calling it thug music, like it’s only created by people who commit crimes and are real life gangsters. It’s rap. It’s a genre of music. You don’t even have to like it if you don’t like the drugs and idk other “thug” themes (I can’t think of anymore) in the music. And if it were white kids listening to “thug” music and telling him off, he wouldn’t have done a thing. He would have thought “they’re just dumb kids.” Where I live everyone carry’s guns around. I am white and I blast rap music with the windows down all the time. No one has ever perceived me as a threat. These kids do the same thing and they get shot for it. This world is disgusting.
No, it's clearly self-defence. He feared for his Rhonda's life because he knew the boys gangsters were about to fire their stick backwards over their shoulders like movie characters.
@Linus Karlsson Lemme try and rationalize this. Because of a previous interaction with black people and/or having been exposed to stereotypes of black people being inherently loud and violent with very little to suggest otherwise, you approach any following interaction with a preset notion that they are likely dangerous individuals. Is that what you're saying? Because if so, you're not exactly racist, but you definitely lack perspective. Not every rapper is a drug addict and not all songs are about sex and thug life. There are plenty of rappers who use their music as a way of calling attention to problems in society, or to tell a story. While a lot of rap music sounds somewhat the same, the variety in its content is just as diverse as any other genre. I won't touch on black people being inherently aggressive or dangerous because it would seem you understand that it's not true. But I would recommend looking into it a bit further. From the way you phrased your opinion, you might've made the exact same mistake as the guy above.
@Nintendo Freak You got it pretty much right. In addition to what you said i would like to add, my experience is not based on an isolated incident. Its sadly plentyful. And obviously there are exceptions. Statistics support the claim that blacks are more prone to violence than whites, so there is no point arguing about that. Bold claim to say its inhereted, you might say. Keep in mind its not necessary geneticly speaking, its more likely culturaly inherited.
Fair enough, not all rap is promoting drugs and crimes. Like some country isn't about love or a cowboy dude. However a lot of mainstream rap does tho, especially the type that gangs blast in their speakers.
No, actually it is not hard to claim self-defense if you shoot at someone driving or walking away from you. It depends on what the person or persons in the vehicle are doing at the time they are driving away. The right to self-defense does not depend on which war the person is going at the time. Had someone in the red vehicle been shooting at him, he might have had a self-defense case, but based on what the evidence showed, it was not self-defense. Study your law books Indy before you make such an uninformed remark.
@Linus Karlsson Hi friend, I appreciate you taking the time to respond to people's comments, though, admittedly, I couldn't disagree with you more. The word violence is broad and vague to the point of meaninglessness. I don't believe that Black people are more violent than White people or Latinos (who are usually white-passing). Still, I do know that Black people are "overrepresented among offenders in nonfatal violent crimes overall (29%) relative to their share of the U.S. population (13%)" (source 1). Due to this, people often draw the conclusion that Black people are more violent. I also believe that some people have consciously (or unconsciously) decided that Black people are more violent, and then they look at crime stats and have their pre-determined belief confirmed. Statistics are great, but we should never just accept them outright without critically thinking about them. Hope you have a good day! Source 1: https://bjs.ojp.gov/content/pub/pdf/revcoa18.pdf
He clearly has a lot of prejudice and suppressed hatred for young black men but the fact that it only took a few rum and cokes for him to murder one still blows my mind
We need to make hard drugs like alcohol illegal. Alcohol leads to murders, domestic violence, rapes, assaults, and more. Anyone who abused hard drugs in the past should be convicted to 10 years of forced labor in a private prison. 🌈
I, too, get annoyed when I hear kids playing obnoxiously loud music. But instead of wanting to murder them, I simply think of Karma and how it is being visited upon me for doing THE EXACT SAME THING when I was a kid. Please. No one cares about whether or not you appreciate the quality or volume of the music playing from a teenager's car. It's practically a rite of passage.
I used to play music loud too.....and the difference between how I was raised and how kids today are: if an adult, ANY adult told me to turn it down, I did. Just because it is a rite of passage doesn't make it acceptable.
Even the cops said they could see the "kids" getting all hot headed and mouthing off. They didn't deserve to be shot at, but please don't even TRY and tell me that guy didn't say anything back to Dunn like get that mothereffer etc.
@Muskoka Mike It doesn't matter one iota what the teenager said to Mr. Dunn about his request to turn down the music. The young man's disrespectful speech is protected by the 1st amendment of this country's Constitution. And the consequences for disrespectful speech are not murder-by-gunfire. As to your point about kids being less respectful of authority today than they were in generations past, you have a legit point, but the larger point is that this generation was RAISED by our generation.
@Muskoka Mike The ONLY person who perceived a "threat" that had to be met with deadly force was Mr. Dunn. No one else. What are the odds that the man who lied about nearly every aspect of the murder he committed also lied about the shotgun barrel? Answer: A jury of his peers determined those odds to be not 99%, but 100%. They found him to be both a murderer and a liar. What obviously happened was that he didn't like the "thugs" attitude of disrespect and the "rap crap" so he decided to correct their attitude by unloading his clip into their SUV. Yes, for Mr. Dunn, black "thugs" who are disrespectful deserve death, and that is what he delivered. He could have ended all 4 of their lives! There was NO weapon. No stick. No barrel. Nothing but Mr. Dunn's heart full of virulent racism and mouth full of lies and baseless justifications. Mr. Dunn played a stupid game and he won the grand prize of life without parole.
@Mosca Bianca now back to the excuse you gave previously:
No, a person saying they are going to kill you is NOT protected under the 1st amendment.
Everything else you wrote, and I bet you enjoyed it, is irrelevant.
Here's how it works: They can play their music ANYONE can tell them to turn it down They can abide by that request or not The person complaining can then call the police and have them cited for disturbing the peace. The ones playing the music do NOT have the right to make threats against the person making the request to turn down their music.
IF one of them said "I'm going to kill that mothereffer" or anything of the sort, then the person making the request THEN has reasonable grounds to perceive that as a threat and defend themselves.
If you think even for an instant that you are protected by law to make a threat against someone, you're in for a rude awakening.
@Muskoka Mike That is not the case. Dunn had an obligation under the stand your ground statute to retreat because it was possible for him to do so. Not only did he choose not to retreat, he kept firing at his victims after they attempted to escape the hail of gunfire he rained down upon their vehicle. Then he chose not to call the police. Then he chose to drive out of the jurisdiction the following morning. Then he chose to lie to investigators. Beyond that, there was no weapon of any kind or anything resembling a weapon, as he claimed he saw, that justified deadly force as a legal defense. The jury reached a just verdict and the judge issued a just sentence.
@Muskoka Mike And if you are ever faced with the same set of circumstances that your hero faced and choose to behave in the same manner, trust that you will enjoy similar accommodations as Mr. Dunn now enjoys for the balance of your life. Choose wisely.
@Muskoka MikeNice discussion. Though we did not necessarily have a meeting of the minds, you kept the discourse mostly civil and hopefully, we both learned something in the process.
I thought there was quite a contrast between Rhonda’s testimony vs Michael in regards to the issue of him telling her the boys had a gun. This came out near the end of the video.. he seems quite cold whereas she is very upset by the entire incident and her emotions line up with what she says. Mike tried very hard to project his nobility but that ended up being exactly what was in question. The door being open on the car was another major issue with his story, this was specifically asked by the detectives. It’s a major conflict that mikes story don’t line up because of the forensics of the ballistics, the door could not have been opened because the bullets were in the kid and the door. Mikes rendering of the story had many flaws. When he seemed to show the most emotion was over Ronda during the trial telling his story, I think at that moment he was realizing he may never be with her again in this life and was manufacturing as much emotion as he could but then switched gears and soberly answered a question as if the emotions switched off . Quite the contrast between Ronda and mike.
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Toni Biava2022-03-08 03:26:11 (edited 2022-03-08 03:27:28 )
This guy chose to park next to them. And he'll be leaving soon. It wasn't like next store neighbors having a loud party until the wee hours of the morning. And Rhonda wasn't really talking to him about what happened on the drive to there hotel. She knew better, she knew not to get him upset again. She was scared of him. She knew what he was like.
Well, I can confirm that no Black kid their age says phrases such as “you’re dead, b***h!” It’s only in the movies. If I can hear a group of people saying “let’s f*****g kill him” and “you’re dead, b***h!” then I highly doubt I’m going to roll down my window to confront what is already deemed to be an extremely hostile situation. The total lack of remorse shown by a man who just fired multiple rounds into a car full of young men is obviously something that stems from racially-charged prejudices.
Any normal person just shrugs at loud music, or mutters to themselves about it. The only reason he reacted the way he did is because he was armed, and because of that was on a power trip. People who are armed approach situations like these a lot differently than anyone else.
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Lukas The Dark2022-05-22 19:41:50 (edited 2022-05-22 19:41:57 )
In my experience most Gun carriers try harder to avoid situations like this than non-carriers
Youre wrong. A select few who make the news but most do not go on a power trip. Theres a few bad apples in every bunch
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Jay Rob2022-03-23 08:58:09 (edited 2022-03-23 09:03:32 )
Countless times I have come across people playing their music super loud at the lights, petrol stations, supermarkets etc. It's annoying but I ignore it and move on. Why would anyone get this mad and shoot the occupants? Insane. Guns give some people a sense of god like powers and they see it as a way of solving trivial problems.
yeah, they definitely lifted up a stick to the window in a way that would cause anyone to confuse it with a gun! that's absoLUTELy something that happened!
sorry 'bout the prison time, 'bro'.
id lmao if a kid didn't have to die for us all to see who this man truly is once his mask slipped
I wonder how he'd react were ME & MY friends bumping the exact same song @ the same volume. I wonder ... would little white girls n boys compel that dude SHOOT UP THE CAR???!!
a death threat is still a death threat, there were four of them and one of him, he reached down and brought up a weapon intentionally, doesnt matter if it was a stick or a gun
To anybody studying law in the comments, can a lawyer actually lie or tell his client to lie? Cause I keep seeing that it's not authorized in many jurisdictions but in all these videos we see the accused being instructed by their lawyer to reshape their version of events, isn't that lying to the jury? (for example Michael Dunn saying they told him "shit's about to go down" only after counsel from his attorney, and exaggerating the whole situation)
I’m an avid hiker. Can you imagine what it must be like for me? It’s like my life is being threatened everyday. I’ve called the police multiple times to report that I’m being shot at, only to waste their time and resources because I didn’t realize it was just trees.
There's a path I walk down to and from work. In winter it can be absolutely pitch black on the way back. Some times a bush or stray plant can get that ogga booga part of my brain firing off. Puts you on edge.
So it sounds like she was aware that he murdered this teenager and did this whole crime and she wants to run away. It seems like she threw him to the Wolves when she realized that they were both likely in trouble. Had his license plate number not been written down by a witness or Witnesses at the scene, I believe that she would have never spoken to the police and covered his tracks with him. I think that there is a case as to why she should have been criminally charged as well.
this is so damn tragic... and as for the young man who died in that line of fire... So sorry man... it should not have been like this... but it happened so fast without any good reason at all...RIP , condoleances to the people who love him. As his wife tragically became a victim by losing her husband in this manner and getting pulled into a crime with the loss of a human life... as for the one responsible... you are where you belong even tough I still have doubts wether he is being a little truthfull or just without any emotion , I do not think he is without emotion but lives in denial however , he seems without emotion tough... Just not entirely sure(not yet)
@Dominick Schrute ehhhhh it’s possible if one bullet causes gas to leak and another causes a spark from impact with a surface, and considering how many rounds he was dumping it definitely could’ve happened, crazier things have
@StikySamurai he was shooting at the car door. Last I checked people didn’t have internal gas tanks. Pretty sure he hit a person, too. I don’t think that guy was sitting next to a gas tank.
@J VII I didn’t mean to imply he was shooting at the car’s gas tank, rather that if a stray bullet struck a gas pump causing it to leak another one could’ve caused a spark to ignite it.
@J VII I’m not supporting what he did as a matter of fact I condemn it completely. I was just trying to point out that it could’ve gone a lot worse and many other could’ve been injured/killed by his actions
@adjudicator_heroic as a long time shooter, sometimes bullets can do weird things even before impact. It's almost like people don't understand that when you launch an unguided projectile, you've relinquished control of it.
@Setryon N1 who tf are you calling people son? And so you would say it's a good idea shooting at a gas station or what? Some guys really wanna correct people just for the sake of it smh
@Mack Edwards Drug dealers? Where are you getting that info from? The police said these boys had no prior run ins with the law. And it’s not ‘allegedly,’ they were unarmed. That was fact. You sound way too eager to strip people of their humanity.
It was way deeper than that, this is coming from a mom raising a black son in America. That wanted to kill them out of the hate in heart. The wife said he had five drinks...his true colors came out... This was a hate crime and its heartbreaking. I cried for the parents to sit in that court room with him they knew they felt it..The mom was numb dad was broken. This is also of mom of a school aged child. It's 2022 and with the Robb Elementary school shooting in Texas smh..we need some type of gun control... or this will continue to happen.
You can’t just say “ I was in fear for my life” and then it all be good. You need to actually have a reason to be in fear of your life. Dude has been hanging around to many gun range attorneys
Dunn, no doubt, was a member of the 'Real Men Carry Guns Club'. This is why people are petrified that if more people got a hold of a 'firing weapon' there'd be way more friggin' tragedy'. Where I live, innocent people at the wrong place at the wrong time get killed by gunshots and it can all happen in a parking lot , restaurant, beauty salons etc. Glad Dunn is done.
Agreed. The guy was a total piece of sh*t that abused her psychologically, verbally, and physically. Not only that he has a track record of abuse with his previous wives. Her defending him would have made no sense and she did the right thing.
@Stina he didn’t say anything bad about her….he was saying she might have been looking for a way out of the relationship and this coincidentally happened. I mean considering he had a previous record of abuse, that would be a possibility
I also thought would she lie about the other car having a gun. This was damming testimony to him. She told the truth. A good and brave woman. She did not want to speak about this over the prison phone.
Definitely !! that’s why he kept mention how much he loves her on the way home , not because he genuinely does . I’m sure he only wants to remind her of the “ loyalty “she’s supposed to have to him in his twisted / arrogant ass mind.
There must be so much turmoil for Rhonda. The man she loves, but she doesn't cover up and lie for him. She was sad for the victim and the whole tragedy. There are still good people on this earth.
I find it somewhat ironic that when a cop kills an innocent man because he “thinks he has a weapon” then all is forgiven, but when Joe Public who has no training or experience of deadly situations does it, they are interrogated like this. Obviously this guy deserves to go to prison for a long time but I’m hard pressed to except the clear difference in treatment.
Cops don’t shoot people because they see a stick though, when a cop shoots an unarmed man 9/10 the dude moved fast towards them, or is fishing in his pockets
No defense lawyer ever said to himself, "Boy, I'm glad my client spoke with the police before retaining my services"... even if you believe you have a clear-cut self-defense situation, you don't answer any questions. You request a lawyer. Talking to the police is not going to get you home any faster than talking with your lawyer.
It speaks volumes to the kind of person he is, that he would call them violent when he was the only one who hurt and killed someone that night. And it speaks volumes in contrast to what kind of person his ex-fiance is, that she was so afraid to testify that she would tremble and forget her right/lefts, but still do it fully and honestly
Honestly I think she felt absolutely horrible because it was her decision to stop at the gas station. She probably is feeling a lot of internalized guilt about it and she seems to be actually grieving the death of that teenager. I think it probably is partially because she knows that testifying against him will end up with him in jail but I know personally, even if I loved the person to death, if they did what he did I would be doing the same thing she is. I actually feel really bad for her
@jcsaclkh What was special? The fact that I don't believe in gay marriage (it's considered a civil union), or the fact that i think you shouldn't throw your partner under the bus if they commit a crime? (Note: i commented something similar on the Teen Emo Thrill Killer JCS inspired video saying the boyfriend gave her up and threw her under the bus, it's not about gender, it's about loyalty)
@jcsaclkh It's good that you can concede that your opinion is shit, but you don't need to be so down on yourself. Any opinion makes sense depending on context and differing experiences of individuals.
@Jazza BigHits lol also incredibly false. You really need to learn to not speak in generalities and extremes. Not all crimes should be kept secret for a loved one and not all opinions make sense even with full context and specific experiences. You’re apparently stuck in an incredibly small box that you can’t think your way out it.
Long ago when I was at college, maybe about 21/22 yo, I came home a bit late one night and entering my room, to turn the light on, I mistakenly switched on the AC plug outlet switch and my dual cassette player-recorder(which was plugged in and gifted by my dad when I had passed out high school) abruptly blared out a Motely Crue number. My dad who was sleeping in the adjacent room got up from his slumber, took an axe from the store room and smashed the player into pieces. That was a horrible moment in my life. I'm 50 now but am still puzzled why he had acted so violent at such a trivial thing. But I get consolation from my confidence that I can never do something like that with my son who's now 19.
I don't believe he would not have done the same thing to ANY color skin. Narcissists are not into thinking they are better than a specific race, just better than anyone! Rhonda dodged a bullet.
I can see why he liked Rhonda so much, she seems like a genuinely great human being. However she is SUCH a good person (unfortunately for him) that she wouldn't lie on the stand for him. I really feel for her, she was thrust into this situation through no fault of her own, but she did the right thing, which I'm sure was not easy.
From the recorded phone calls played in the beginning of the video, Rhonda seems like she tries to distance herself from Michael's racist comments and rants too. She really does appear to be an honest woman, which makes me wonder what she sees in Michael and why she still supports him.
I got the same impression. She got lucky though he would of been the type of husband that you see on the news begging for help trying to find his missing wife that just all of a sudden vanished and right after all the carpet in the house gets replaced.
@dil oreo Yea it's really sad to watch her give testimony. You can tell that it was killing her to contradict everything that this POS was saying about the shooting, but she knew what she had to do. I hope she moved on with her life and found someone much better than some racist POS who kills over too much bass.
Ryan Hanselman Somewhere in her interrogation it sounded as if maybe she felt guilty that she had wanted to stop to buy the bottle of wine. Like she was thinking, this wouldn’t have happened if ... (But problem people have to be supervised and she stepped away for a few minutes.)
@Lisa Tosca Uhm no?? If she did, she would have lied to corroborate his story. The reason she was so broken up was because she spent *four years of her life* with him, and she was going to marry him. She was in love with him, and all of that came crumbling down because of some kids playing some music. Plus, you don't just stop loving someone over night because they fucked up, no matter how extreme. That shit takes years to heal, if it ever does. She's an extremely compassionate and brave person, and she should honestly be applauded for putting justice & truth before any lingering feelings she had for this man.
I think they made a deal immunity from prosecution if she told the truth and stuck the truth during the trial. Originally, she was an accomplice to the shooting since she ran and did not report it. If I am in the car during a driveby shooting I am arrested, too. She signed a sworn statement during her interrogation and there was no backing out during the trial.
@Alfred Indy I don't think she was ever really considered an accomplice. It's pretty clear from the video she was inside the store when it happened. I don't think she needed immunity because she obviously did nothing wrong. Where are you getting this info that she was granted immunity? Just a hunch?
@Plumsmuggler In the video where they said that she signed a sworn statement. It was stated that she would not change her story at the trial. I do know that if you are with someone when they commit a crime and don't report it and escape with the person involve that you are considered an accomplice. That almost happened to me once as a juvenile. But, there would be no reason for her to sign a sworn statement if she wasn't in fear of being prosecuted.
Nolan Harris - well, they say love is blind for a reason. She’s an older woman, so it’s likely she may have dealt with a lot of disappointment and heartache and decided to settle for Dunn in her later years rather than spend her life alone. Whatever the case, we can also conclude that alcohol played a significant role in their relationship. They were drunks. Based on their actions that day they were binge drinking (drinking heavily at the wedding and buying more alcohol at the time of the murders). Alcohol papers over a lot of personal issues, and dulls your morality, and is a great distraction for the reservations one may have in a relationship and an easy way to numb pain.
Rhona seems sweet but she was willing to spend 4 years with a racist. In all my years of dating there were always 2 things that were deal breakers... Racism and under tipping a server.
@Juanita Young He got the impression that she was submissive. She was actually such a good person to the point she'd refuse to lie for a man she loved.
@Alfred Indy everyone who gives a statement to police signs the statement. Signing a sworn statememt does not automatically give you immunity. You would have to make a deal with the prosecutor. There was no such deal. Rhonda didnt need one.
She knows he was a racist person....but probably thought he would change...I think she sensed something bad was going to happen when they pulled beside that car...the loud music would have been his trigger, she probably knew that as well....
The right thing would have been to call the police when your lover kill kids... I got great respect for her to have said the truth but no sympathy for her... I doubt she would have done the right thing, if the police didn’t find them...
Ryan Hanselman submissive in the sense of not interacting/ feeding into his rude comments towards others. But she didn’t want to be quit during this situation and called him out. It’s a GOOD thing she wasn’t too submissive.
Alfred Indy every witness expected to testify at trial signs a sworn statement, I’m surprised you’ve been through the justice system but don’t know that
I agree. The first time I watched this video, most of the comments were tearing her apart. This thread goes into a little, even. People never cease to amaze me. Lots of psychics and experts of psychology, too, it seems.
@WealthBuilder why dont you help tip the waiter so it isnt low o.o? Idk, always found this bs because some people cant afford it. Not saying I cant, but you can be clean and neat and be unable to tip after you eat. Shit happens. Thats why tip should be shared most of the time so things like this dont happen.
Granted it sucks if only one waiter is gettin all the tips and they have to share. Kitchen deserves tip too. Honestly, tip should be included in the food prices tbh
He really starts to tap dance around 17:00, adding in all that extra BS when he's getting to the part where he does the killing. I'd love to know how he'd be talking if there wasn't a black cop in the room. Dunn is being sooo deferential and respectful to him with his body language. Like the school bully trying to bullshit the school principal.
To quote Ocean O'Connell-Rosenberg, a character from a great musical called Ride The Cyclone: "To say that if one dies young they die needlessly? That is to discount the years we had. The experiences we had. The hopes, dreams. I would gladly take my 17 years over nothing."
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The irony of him being an actual thug, murdering someone over being mildly “disrespected “ . Teenagers music is admittedly obnoxious but nowhere near as annoying as him, his “love of his life” fiancée, And that gd puppy .
Usually in British drama shows, footage is pretty raw and music is kept to a minimum. The silence adds a lot of tension, and the focus is entirely on the topic. Love this style of presentation.
@Rachael Setzer in otger vids he makes a few jones but they are actually funny like when he compared a woman sitting down to a sea lion looking over a rock😂
I can not stand some Netflix's documentaries, like the one about the Ted serial killer guy, which is like two episodes basically of people describing how fucking scared the students were in the campus, and all those annoying dramatic pauses.
@Renã Souza I love music. I'm a musician. Been playing it my whole life. I simply don't like how people dilute information with music to guide the viewer's emotion in a documentary type video.
I think you skipped some of the best videos like "The case of Andy B." or "The Jon Koppenhaver case" where the soundtrack perfectly complets and elevates the content....
So do I. Music in any kind of setting tries to force you to feel in a certain way in respect to the situation and I really dislike that. Just show me what happened and let me judge it.
The audio in some of the interviews are pretty hard to comprenhend even without music. In this one, the police detective is a little difficult to understand with the camera's sound quality, so putting music would make an obligation for this channel to subtitle everything
I tried to figure out why I prefer this channel to so many others who produce similar content, and I think this is one of the reasons. It feels nicer this way, and less like the given content is being dramatized.
I am a musician and I wholeheartedly agree. Using music to enhance the viewers emotional setting under serious circumstances such as these would make it feel more like a parody or a propaganda film.
Terrible information. This narrator interrupts precious moments of the video by making a huge deal about how they said green shoes one time and then grey shoes the next... The biggest highbrow rising moments fly right over his head lol
@Jess exactly. Not to mention Ted being a pos that’s overly talked about. JCS always covers cases that aren’t well known and have really important information that we can take something from
OMG this case infuriates me. Like there's so much I wanna say I can't even say it all. He is so full of excuses and it just shows how racist he is that he thought this story would fly. He is UNBELIEVABLE. When I listen I to him I imagine he's talking about my son and I wanna come thru the damn phone on him.
“The music was already loud?” “Yes sir” “And you parked next to them and asked them to turn it down” The guy brags he’s an avid gun guy, uses jargon like “return fire” “chambered a round”…… this guy was ITCHING for a reason to use his gun on a black person, he didn’t plan it, and he may not have even specifically thought about it but that situation was close enough to an encounter he thought he could get away with so he gambled, and lost…. Not as much as the KID he shot
If she'd known how it would turn out she would have kept her piehole shut about wanting wine.
Edit - I am catching some flack for victim shaming. Hardly - she could not have known how this situation would shake out. She no reason whatsoever to blame herself for anything.
The sole responsibility sits on the shoulders of her spouse.
@Just Johnny Stop blaming men for women's shortcomings. If the feminists are correct, women are supposedly fully functioning adults who can choose wisely for themselves.
@lana lake Because the comment insinuates that something about the husband may have lead to the wives alcoholism. Men don't create alcoholic wives. Her alcoholism is her issue with no one to blame but herself.
It's her fault too. She allowed him to drive drunk. She then decided it would be a good idea to stop, and buy more alcohol, while he is driving drunk. A good wife wouldn't let her husband drive drunk. Now she plays the boohoo, poor me card.
@Moonhaze how are you assuming she has an alcohol problem from this? Is that really what you're taking away from this whole documentary? Because even if she did have an alcohol problem (which we cannot assume and confirm from this video alone), does that mean it's her fault her partner committed murder? Because she wanted to stop for wine? Absolutely none of this situation is her fault. None of it.
@Rei Hitchens If I remember correctly, she explained that she had 6 rum and cokes, and a glass of wine at the party, and then wanted to stop at a liquor store for more wine. For a man that would be a considerable amount of alcohol, but for most women (because of their size) that's a TON of alcohol, any woman who can withstand that amount of alcohol in her bloodstream and still have a thirst for more is obviously a regular drinker, and most probably has an alcohol problem.
@Moonhaze she had a glass of wine, 3 or 4 rum and cokes and then wanted to stop for wine (which she may well have wanted to share with her partner)
That's not a ton of alcohol, especially on a night celebrating a wedding. If anything, perhaps you could assume she is a binge drinker, but not an alcohlic. Of course you're entitled to your opinion, but in my opinion it's naive to label someone an alcoholic based on one snippet of information of their life, and her drinking "habits" so to speak are not the issue in this whole situation.
@Dana Davison it was too late by then. Shed have said in the interview that he mentioned no gun. Cant change that on oath. He shudve gone over with the story they were gonna tell police. Had ample time. Think he arrogantly thought he was going to get away with it
Moonhaze I’m not necessarily disagreeing, but the two of them had just left the wedding reception for Michael’s son—usually a pretty festive occasion. They had a lot of drinks but were there for three hours. He was probably too drunk to drive, but we don’t know that from this video. To me, the evidence we have doesn’t add up to alcoholism. Just MHO.
Jamal Labarge: Nightmares can destroy a person who took someone’s life. When they show up in the middle of the night trying to drag you off your bed, it’s horrible. This idiot was/is a pansy, and HE KNOWS they never said what he says they said. Never act a fool, and what’s worse, is he does nothing but whine about HIM! He could care less about the person he killed.
Jamal Labarge I’ve met great security guards, one is a BIG Maori and he said he’s never had to get physical, he said it’s how you talk to people. So I agree 👍🏻
I think she should look at it as a blessing in disguise. Would have probably been her on the receiving end of that pistol the first time she disagreed with him.
@Tim So people like me, who support Stand your Ground because anti-gun prosecutors want to chuck anyone who uses a firearm for self defense into prison, are to blame for this douchebag's behavior.
Here's a helpful hint, Tim. I don't sign everyone's concealed carry permit. I signed my own. We have stand your ground in my State. I still back off if I can.
The takeaway for you is that even if you have stand your ground you are not obligated to exercise it. Heck, you can even choose not to carry a gun at all.
@CommieCowboy @CommieCowboy @CommieCowboy So Jamal shouldnt have a gun? Lol he has the exact attitude I would hope anyone who owns a gun would have. "I've never had to reach for my piece. I'd love to spend the rest of my life that way." So this guy has a gun just for self defense and he's being self righteous I just...
@Moonhaze Your comment gave me a hard laugh. Thanks. Actually she said she had a glass of wine and 2 or 3 rum and cokes which probably meant 2 glasses of wines and 6 rum and cokes. So then she wants wine... I've never bought into her light and airy, Jackie Kennedyesque voice and damsel in distress demeanor. Listen to her interrogation. I am not saying she is guilty of anything but how good a person can she be for not reporting this sooner?
@Rei Hitchens How big were those glasses. Were they drinking from shot glasses, goblets or red plastic cups? You can get a lot of liquid in certain glass ware. She had a glass of wine. Did you use the same wine glass for those rum and cokes. How much coke in the rum? I am surprised it never came up at trial.
@Moonhaze yeah, pretty sure you're just projecting your hatred for women or feminism or whatever because implying dating a douchebag made someone want to be intoxicated at all times isn't a sexist statement regardless of who is the douchebag and who is the person tired of their bs, they're talking about michael and rhonda not the whole male and female population. stop projecting.
Bs. She should've contact the police right away or leave this hotel as soon she heard that somebody died... But no, she told him: "let's go home".. bs. She thought they are getting away with it.
She should’ve called the police? This dude had no issue shooting at a bunch of teenagers just sitting in a car. What does that say about him as a person? For all we know, she was scared of him
@CommieCowboy so true. But you're not going to convince these gun nuts here cuz this channel is filled primirily with people who believe in retributive justice... So you know their political leaning
i really did feel bad for that woman as well. she knew that there was something in him that she didn’t agree with, but her love for him other ways compelled her to be supportive and stayed. i could tell too just by the way she was explaining it that there’s a fear about what he could to do her too.
Some dude that would just start shooting some guys because he was mildly inconvenienced......I think this lady dodged a bullet with this dude. She shouldn't feel guilty for telling the truth.
if you are that afraid for your life you should not carry a gun. seems like this is the problem in america these days. having a gun means you have responsible, doesn't they get that? you can't shoot on everything that may potentially be a threat or seeking provocation
@Moonhaze well yes and no someone can be stressed to a point where they look for ways to escape reality usually by drugs, alcohol, or destructive behavior.
@CommieCowboy Jamal has demonstrated his restraint. He literally said “I go out of my way to avoid conflict” Jamal is in no way like this dunce in the video. Nice try.
@A Guy Named Something it's not her fault his drunk ass shot and killed someone. Definitely not her fault. That was his choice. Should they be driving drunk ? No, that's on them both. Him killing someone, not her fault. That's obvious. Also she can't "allow" him to do anything he did that of his own free will.
@Christopher Arnold I agree. She also fled the scene of a shooting where a teenager was murdered. In the end though, she never lied about the incident. I do believe she is very honest with the police during her interrogation, and she didn't lie on the stand. Makes it hard to really be angry at her, at least for me.
@Moonhaze I did think about this thats why she hesitated before she said the reason why they stopped..she shouldn't of gone in what kinda man sends his wife in if he thinks "thugs" are in the store.
She's not a "poor, honest woman..." She was perfectly willing to date and plan to marry a racist, and she was perfectly willing to flee the state once she found out he murdered someone rather than urging him to go to the police.
Not lying to the police and not lying under oath doesn't mean someone is a great person...maybe she is, but she was happy to date a racist arse who killed a kid. To me, that's like saying "What a good, honest mom" about a woman whose boyfriend beat her kid to death because she didn't lie about it and she wasn't the one beating her kid...sure, she knew he liked to beat kids and she still dated him, but what a poor, honest woman she is not to lie about it all...
@Andrea B As if everybody knows who is racist or not. Do you think people advertise that in their Tinder profile or talk about that openly? Besides, most of humanity has an -ist or -phobic label, you are a detached loony if you think most people don't have prejudices. Blame her all you want, I honestly don't think you ever experienced being in love.
He was drunk already and she got in the car with him in the first place and wanted to get more alcohol. She May feel guilty but it was either these kids be killed or he crash into somebody else potentially
@Moonhaze maybe, maybe not. But even if she was/is, that's not really illegal, is it? The main tragedy is that poor young man lost his life and his friends lost someone close to them. But there is still room for empathy for her. I don't think she's a bad person, maybe a little naive and in love with someone who is violent and a racist, but she didn't lie for him, and she didn't cover for him. She told the truth because it was right. She could've covered, but she didn't.
@Beautiful Roses To be honest she kind of got her comeuppance for ignoring his casual racism for whatever she liked about him. Who dates someone who calls hip-hop "thug music"?
@DionZ it's an alcoholic when possessing the physiology of a woman, and after having had 3 cocktails and a glass of wine, she has to stop by the liquor store to buy more booze. It isn't complicated, at all.
grown man made a decision no matter who’s idea it is. if that was his mentality with his pistol, then it would’ve still ultimately happened no matter what....is hopefully how she thinks of it.
I love how everyone here is just taking her at her word about how many drinks she had. That’s like asking a woman how many dudes she’s slept with. Whatever she says, multiply that by 2. And if she’s a drinker, you can multiply by 3.
@seth Appleton it’s a joke. I laughed anyway. But there is some truth to it. Also, if you think she just decided to tell the truth out of the goodness of her heart then you’re naive. The prosecution obviously threatened her. And seeing as this is a very timid woman she probably broke instantly.
@Jay Remí hey I mean, I consider telling the truth after learning the consequences of being dishonest better than lying to the bitter end. And even before the prosecution got to her, it wasn't like she was lying in her statement to the police.
@A Guy Named Something I agree that knowingly stepping into a drunk drivers car is incredibly irresponsible. But you cant blame her for that guy shooting soneome. Thats like blaming your parents for crimes you committed because you wouldnt exist if they didnt have sex at some point.
@Moonhaze I'm reading threw these comments and noticed this "Annies" chick just going ham on you about the alcoholic lady haha.. It's like Annie gets so offended that your calling the lady in this video an alcoholic .. I think Annie is a raging alcoholic lol . it's funny how but hurt she got over your commit haha.. But I side with you bud, their lives would be completely different if the damn lady just didn't have to have one more sip. He probably didn't even want to stop at the gas station, but she with a heavy slurring buzz was probably cussing the guy out and to pull into the station so she can get another bottle lol. Poor guy.
@Dismeii During the call to his fiance at the beginning he referred to his cell mates as "animals". Also as he pulled up to the gas station he said "I hate that 'thug' music." You can also see it in his entitlement in both going up to the car and when he thinks he won't get any repurcussions for murder. He definitely wouldn't have acted this way if the kids in the car were white.
@Luis Sanchez She would have avoided going there if she knew that things would go to shit. She could not have reasonably known. She has no basis for feeling guilty about it.
It is not possible to understand random shit that happens. That's pretty clear, right?
@Emma Frost No you do not know that at all and no one needs you who wasn't present and who isn't a trained psychologist to make any random assumptions.
@Black Skellington Are we not allowed to do that ? If you want to talk about the black teenager, go ahead there are thousands of other comments doing so, no need to enforce your white guilt here.
@TrueCrimeGuru Judging by your responses you are someone with poor judging abilities as well so I would be careful putting the blame on her, doesn't make you look good.
It was fate. I’m sure she feels that way, but really, things happen for a reason. He may have ended up doing something worse in the future had this not happened. Clearly, the guy is unhinged.
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@Christopher Arnold he had a gun.....maybe she was afraid of him a she said nothing to protect him in trial. Straight up send his ass to prison to be never back... Anything is posible
@GoddessLee wait where was the part about racism? Or is that just assumed to be the problem when a white guy kills someone black? He can’t just be a psycho?
@Jamal Labarge you are absolutely correct. You said nothing for him to say you should not own a gun. He sounds like the commie part is fitting for him.
@Phil Mitchell Boxing Any woman of average female size and weight who can handle seven drinks equivalent to 7 shots of 40 proof liquor and then still want more alcohol, has developed a dangerous resistance to alcohol or IS in fact an alcoholic. Take it from me, not the kind of girl you want to marry or bring home to mama, Unless of course, you like that sorta thing, sadly, many men do.
@Chrissy B I'm sorry the comments section is huge and the comment I made is quite old. But I'm a socialist myself so sure I do have a lot to agree with a communist. I'm for gun rights too, as are many leftists. Also I'm not an American, I'm a Canadian
@Chrissy B there's more than the fact that they are just different races. Like I said before, the wife testified when he pulled up to the gas station he said "I hate that 'thug' music". 'Thug' is a well-known dog whistle for racism. Same for when he called his cell mates "animals". I understand it's easier to believe like racism doesn't exist or that it's rare, but it does and it's common. And this is a blatant example. Pointing it out doesn't create division, it's important to see things for what they are.
@GoddessLee ok first of all I don’t think of a thug as a black person. And I have never heard it equated with black people. A thug is a criminal. There were many white thugs in the neighborhood I grew up in. And some of the trashy music could be called thug music. I think anyone that associates that word with a black person is part of the problem. And I would highly doubt that his cell mate is black. Considering most prisons do segregate races. I think there is way more talk of racism then there is actual racism. If we could all just see each other as people we would be in a lot better place.
That's absurd to think that she is the cause of this situation. Yes, I do sympathize for her. However, this situation was inevitable. Life is a series of tests for each and every one of us. If it wasn't that night they stopped for wine, it would have been sometime later on. He does not feel remorse, so clearly this horrid act of murder wasn't enough for him to learn his lesson. The problem wasn't the wine, it was what was going on in this creepy-voice sociopath liar's mind.
@Jamal Labarge my grandmother once told me this story about some guy following her car. she had a gun and it wasn't loaded but thankfully it was enough to scare him off when he saw it.
@Jamal Labarge All of those examples of your “real life instances” could’ve easily been solved without a gun. You don’t need a gun to solve your problems, that mindset is meant to shit on itself in due time. Guns are just mediums for people, remove the medium, less violence. I do agree that guns can be useful at times, but that 1-3% of the time that goes bad fucks up the entire thing for everyone. Just like those Samsung phones that were exploding here and there (not the best analogy but I couldn’t think of anything else), only maybe 1 in 100 phones were catching on fire, but they were recalled because that shouldn’t be happening at all. The gun violence problem in America is way too prevalent, and should be lowered down. I don’t think rearming everyone in America to have a piece on them is the right action (or not even everyone, just encouraging people to get their own piece). Not to mention, you already have a pistol in your glove box, do you really need a rifle too? You’re part of the problem, the only time you’d need a rifle is to hurt multiple at the same time, which you’d obviously be able to do with the pistol. Unless you’re in a zombie apocalypse, having a rifle on you does more harm than good. “Hey there’s some drunk dude who I could easily handle, but whatever, this is my chance to flaunt my rifle at him so he runs away apologizing to me!” See how pretentious you sound? You obviously never said this, but this thought process obviously crossed your mind because you described it just like that. Also, one question, do you agree with denuclearization of all the countries across the world? Or did you favor the arms race during the Cold War when the US and USSR were in constant competition to see who could have the bigger weapon? This is the same thing as the gun control problem but scaled up to international business.
@Chrissy B He called music their music ‘thug music’. They could have easily been listening to pop music or jazz. Racism isn’t this massive and boisterous attitude. If it were then it would be much easier to detect and combat against. But when people are so subtle with their weird prejudices, it hard to teach/correct people
@Jamal Labarge She knew he is a racist, she said " yeah, I know". All these years, she wouldn't see the red flags, that's different. Don't blame it on her buying wine, blame it on him being racist
Her guy is a Qanon white supremacist NRA Ken, you cannot date a man for 4 years without seeing the red flags, give me a break! Soon after he said " I hate this music" she said I know!
@Moonhaze she said a glass of wine and 2-3 rum & coke’s. Where did you get 6 from? And since when is it a crime to grab a bottle of wine while your out with your S.O.? Stupid to blame her for any of this.
@Yana Sosnovskaya when your partner tells you he was “almost killed” and shot at a car, what was she supposed to do? Even after the fact, you can see that she wanted desperately to believe him. That was the man she was planning to spend the rest of her life with. You’re not looking at it from her perspective.
@Tim “stand your ground” laws have NOTHING to do with this. You know damn well that he would’ve done this regardless of what he “thought” the law said. Using this as an argument against “stand your ground” is idiotic.
@Kosi Queensly I have never heard of the word thug as a word related to race. People make these things up to stoke more division. I don’t care what anyone’s skin color is. And I think most people feel this way.
@Chrissy B Are you sure? People use the word thug to describe all the time. Especially in the 90s. Just because you’ve never heard the word being used in this way doesn’t mean it hasn’t happen. Your experience doesn’t reflect the experiences of others. And of course you haven’t heard the word used in this manner, you’re most likely white or at least non black. I’ve heard Asian people, Spanish people and polish people describe black people ad thugs. I don’t want to assume that you’re America but especially in America, they like to use that word and then act as if they never established the connection between thug and black people (used heavily during the war on drugs era). You’re well meaning but people who say ‘I don’t see colour’ don’t necessarily know what exactly that entails. You saying ‘you don’t see colour’ negates the awful treatment that black people (and other POC) experience. Ignoring racist behaviour isn’t the same as combating it. Of course they are differences between us. Acknowledge the horrible mistreatment of black individuals, simply pushing it aside doesn’t help anyone. I’d rather talk to a racist than block them. At least in talking to them, there’s a chance of rehabilitation. I definitely see colour, I see that one colour is being preferred over the others. ‘Seeing colour’ has allowed for conversation and change, it allowed the apartheid to end in South Africa, it allowed for the death of George Floyd to spark conversation globally. It’s absolutely insane (in a good way) that one incident in America, has black people in Ireland, France, Britain, Germany, India etc to have the own protests and conversations. So ‘seeing colour’ isn’t inherently a bad thing. Like just don’t be racist, it seems so simple but difficult a lot of people unfortunately.
@Donald Priola You either never had a partner or never been abused. It isn't her fault that her first instinct wasn't to call the cops, she was in shock on the incident that just transpired. No one is going to immediately blame their partner after something like this occurring, she held on to her feelings and believed that none of this actually happened.
It’s sad. Bc it’s not her fault but seeing the person she is in the video you definitely know she feels guilty. But you can’t control others. She went there to do what she planned to do. Her fiancé had no self control.
@Moonhaze fyi buddy, the commenter said the husband would lead to an alcohol problem, not that men lead women to have alcohol problems, but this guy just sucks so much she has to be drunk to put up with him.
@Dank Graff It's because the assertion that someone has 3 rum & cokes and shares a glass of wine of a 3-4 hour period on a festive day makes someone an alcoholic is absurd and moonhaze is obviously sexist.
@Jamal Labarge this dude out here speaking the truth. If you are strapped, you better know how to talk someone down. A gun is not a tool to end an argument, you should have the presence of mind to use your words. Words work far more miracles than bullets even could. It takes a man to be calm, to talk, to listen. It take a child to shoot first, and ask questions later.
The fact that I can talk people down does mean that i do not need a firearm. I am not some child who needs their "anti social" behaviors moderate for the good for the Administrative Dictatorship.
I fully feel for her tho. Everyone reacts differently to tramua. Of course, usually people feel bad in some way or another and her husband doesn't seem to feel too bad. Her on the other hand I can tell she is dissociating cuz of the tramua she just witnessed and I'm an alcoholic and drinking used to be my go to when shit got bad. So I don't think she should beat herself up. She was just trying to deal with her anxiety ATM. Sure alcohol isn't a great idea when u are dealing with ptsd or depression or anxiety, but I can understand why she got herself a bottle of wine. I don't think anyone should be mean to her about this cuz I would probably shut down too if I just saw my loved one do something like that. She must've been so scared. But not because of the kids but because of what her husband might do. So sad. I feel bad for her. And u can tell she feels so bad about what happened and that she truly did care. But her husband, I can just tell he doesn't care. Like who the fuck shoots at a kid, he is supposed to be the adult in this situation but instead he escalated it.
@Jamal Labarge I understand what you’re saying and while it might be easy for us to go ‘it wasn’t your fault, you couldn’t have predicted that this would happen’, it’s obviously not that easy for her.
@Jamal Labarge oh no, I completely understand that you weren’t blaming her at all! You made it clear that you weren’t. I was just saying that, while we can easily say it wasn’t her fault, she’s going to find it a lot harder to not blame herself.
@NeedToPooNow I sure hope that she has some good friends to break it down for her.
She is going to have endless misery trying to pay lawyer bills and set her life in a new direction.
I do not understand the thought processes of her husband. I could not imagine killing someone over loud music. It's out there in the weird behavior zone.
I couldn't even holler over it, unless it was 0300 hours and I had to be at work, and even then it's one of those things you gotta sneak up on. We're all going to have some loud times in our lives, no point spilling blood over it.
@Jamal Labarge would you rather kill someone than have a fair fight? I understand protecting yourself and your family from someone trying to kill you/them. But in my experience people arent just out there trying to kill each other. People fight of course because we're human that's what we do. I just cant stand cowards who would rather pull a gun on someone and give them that final ultimatum of death straight away. Are you scared to get hit? Or is it about your pride? Do you not want to lose a fight to another man? Would you rather kill someone than use your brain or your fists? Cowardly, weak and selfish individuals tend to carry guns. You just need to take a punch to see how it feels, it's not that bad, you dont need to be so scared.
Wtf you talking 'bout? Rhonda dodged a bullet. (No pun intended. Rest in piece to the poor 17 year old)
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Kevin James2021-06-09 12:43:09 (edited 2021-06-09 12:47:04 )
@Jamal Labarge Well said. You sound much more socially responsible than anyone with who calls themselves a commie.
In their mind : "people shouldn't have guns because some people commit murder with them. But let's give that ideology that's been responsible for the death and oppression of hundreds of millions another go!" 😃
@Kevin James Thank you. We all try our best to keep ourselves self regulated.
Too many "revolutionaries" out there who have no idea how hard it is to execute a revolution. They are in love with a fantasy. A fantasy that can be cured by a quick plane ride to Havana or Caracas.
I've never personally met a revolutionary tourist. Always someone else - someone else can pay, someone else can do.
Worse - the revolution always eats its own. Always.
Our friend Commie could well end up dying in a ditch somewhere. Bet that they won't be saying 'Long live the revolution!".
@Jamal Labarge Glad you talk people out of violence instead of shooting people. You are the kind of person who SHOULD have a gun. We need more good people with guns and less armed psychos.
@Moonhaze she only had 1 or 2 rum and cokes and 1 glass of wine. He had 3 or 4 of the rum and cokes. With his size could probably blow a .08% BAC with ease after them too. They shoulda been grabbing at least 2 bottles of wine. Maybe more.
@krispy must suck being named Jamal and having to answer for a meme that's also a stereotype which randoms will bring up at the sight of your name at all points in time in any medium. Wouldn't you think so?
@vivi44 Really doubt this one exists anywhere outside of your head. Respectfully, I doubt she's instantly dead broke when her husband gets locked up. I don't understand how people even come up with these comments.
@Moonhaze I think they mean they understand why, under the circumstances of being with him, she would use alcohol as a coping mechanism which then turned into alcoholism. I had that happen to me because of my abusive ex... I'm one of the lucky ones that got out of the relationship and off of alcohol...
Sure she was right there with him and shared his racist views. Two people are not together all them years and don’t share the same views when it comes to something like racism. FOH keep that hate in your heart this is what it could bring. That kids parents will never see their child again that’s who should get the sympathy here.
@Jamal Labarge I knew what you were saying. I’m not the type to just throw around, “racism” but I believe he did it because they were black and he thought he’d get away with it.
Exactly. It breaks my heart because you see her hesitate because she wants to defend him but she knows nothing she says will justify anything. I'm proud of her for doing what she believed was right.
She might be, but if not that day, some other day his lack of self control would come up one way or another. Maybe not with such devastating consequences. Maybe he’d “just” start beating her up while being drunk. Maybe he’d burn down a neighbor’s car over an argument or suspicion. He clearly has anger management issues that become especially obvious when he’s not sober. I hope she finds a better man, she deserves it.
So its her fault? What a world we are living in. Unbelievable. People get drunk Europe, but i have never seen a gun in my life, to say the least this kind of horrible racism. Im disgusted by all the comnents and happy i was raised in Amsterdam
It’s really sad because they had already been drinking. If she could’ve just relaxed on the alcohol, this whole mess would’ve been avoided, but what’s happened has happened.
@Jamal Labarge Most people would agree it wasn’t her fault. But that doesn’t mean she won’t blame herself or wouldn’t feel guilty about it. I think that’s what the commenter was expressing.
@A Guy Named Something Yeah, he was drinking and driving. I listen to the police scanner a fair amount and the number one drug out there that causes problems is alcohol. 90% of their calls are breaking up some fight or domestic.
@A Guy Named Something the only thing I directly blame her for is driving with him to their house without calling the news. She was also drunk, so neither of them were in their right mind at the time. They are equally responsible for the dui.
What's so honest about being forced to testify? She was his girlfriend, not his wife. She wasn't doing this because she wanted to, if she didn't she'd have gotten arrested for contempt of court. She's not a victim in the slightest. She's the one supporting that murderer.
I don’t know how bad I feel for her. She was about to marry a complete PoS. Clearly her judgement isn’t great. But at least she didn’t lie for him. That’s something.
@Moonhaze uh no, it just means that some people party hard. I know a ton of women who, when they have a night of drinking, will have shots then margaritas, then shots, then Long Island ice teas, then more shots, then fruity margarita drinks, then end the night with wine. They don’t drink all the time or have a reliance on alcohol. It’s an insane claim to make when you’ve heard what someone had during one night of drinking.
I can’t stand when people play their music super loud like that either and honestly think it’s super disrespectful especially when it’s at stoplights or in neighborhoods but I’d never kill someone over it. This dude was just waiting for the moment to be able to kill someone who knows he may have heard them playing this music driving passed them and then planned it out. Glad he’ll rot in prison.
“I unholstered my weapon, chambered a round quicker than a flash, shot them in a fluid motion”. who gives a shit about how well you play Lone Ranger and cry about being picked on!
KillBash Oh yeah, totally. I'm just saying that his "defense" holds up about as well as a paper bag getting filled with rocks. If he had even the tiniest shred of decency he would've dropped the whole act and owned up to what he did, but of course he chose not to do that. What a disgusting guy and I'm glad he's locked up for good.
Good comment lmao. Devito's character in It's Always Sunny telling the story before that line is eerily similar to this guy's story and thought process, too.
@Dawn Thug? Did you not watch the whole vid? Did you miss the part where the cops told him these were high school students with no criminal records? Or the part where the murderer himself called them kids?
@Dawn You don't know the self-defense law: you cannot shoot someone for a threat or shouting match! I am glad Michelle Dunn got life in prison. I am way too much of a man to support a man with a woman's voice.
@T.McCall hello how are you? I know this is completely random 🤨😂 but I have an aunt in Alabama named Tonya McCall.....you wouldnt be from alabama would you?
moscowmule Dude!! I’m saying like c’mon you suppose to be the most laid back worried free person when your got your weapon . You should feel like John Wayne
well.. that's basically what he did. what I'm annoyed about is I'd really like to know what his actual mindset was when he went on the attack. but we can't know that as long as he tries to stick to the self defense lie.
@Kirika Yumura Hes never going to admit that hes racist and killed a black kid for getting smart with him 😞😥 he just KNEW the stand your ground law would protect him.....
@Alfred Indy No you said he has a woman's voice and you called him Michelle Dunn. I took it as you calling him a woman, but since he's in the big house getting in touch with his more feminine side, he might as well be.
@Andrea Manning sad to say but I think you're right. I just wish he would've owned up to it.. well I wish he wasn't ever carrying a firearm to begin with.
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@Andrea Manning Yes we should. I'm an aging white man and when I hear the T word do not distinguish any difference from the N word. They are one and the same.
@Dawn And you watch the whole video to think ignorantly. That "Thug" was a child. And you're telling the internet you've never once yelled at someone for sticking their nose where it doesnt belong? over music. Big Period.
He has absolutely no defense. He can't see past his own ego, his "freedom" and "right" to be the violent aggressor. He continues to think of himself as the victim because he cannot understand the value of human life. They weren't innocent kids in his mind; they were "thugs". He was worried there'd be "more of *them*", as if "they" are a hivemind. It's obvious why he thought that; he reduces their existence to a stereotype.
The only appropriate way to prevent or retaliate against people like Dunn is to look at them in the same way: to view them as one-dimensional stereotypes of racist scum, not has human beings, and in turn to take action.
Dawn if that’s your way of critical thinking, I feel really sorry for you. I know you’re probably smart in other ways but I hope you never sit in a jury.
@Chill Penguin a minor with a gta conviction is an astronaut doctor than I guess. I’m sure they all stole cars but only one was convicted. Nice try though buddy. How are we going to get to Mars now without this future astronaut doctor president?
@Aristotle the whole joke is about a r*apist who only assaults other men his size. So Dave chappelle jokes that "that's the most baller shit he's ever heard" lol it's a good bit. Dark as hell but funny
Just listening to this man makes me so mad. He's so full of himself and clearly had no regard for the lives of the people he shot.....he was surprised at the fact that he was being charged with murder and it wasn't being viewed as self defense. On top of that, he has a really obnoxious matter of fact inflection in his voice that I think he thinks makes him sound innocent.
Rhonda is too pure for this world. She was honest about everything and she even felt guilty because she was the one that had the idea to get to that gas station. She shouldn't feel that guilt, I hope she is doing ok and the other boys too.
And to me it’s just so obvious that Mike hates black dudes and he pulled up to have a confrontation with them on purpose. You can hear his clear beliefs on the subject in his phone call from the jail.
nibblesxsips yet I hear more people talking about the woman who lost nothing and not of the woman who lost her child my comment must’ve hit home for you
@CPT Freeman that's not necessarily true my guy. you're thinking about the situation far too black and white. more than one life was lost in this confrontation; most importantly though, the loss of child's life.
I feel bad for her too but this is also what happens when we tolerate racists. I'm not blaming her. But we shouldn't give them the time of day so maybe they think hmm wonder why I'm so alone, maybe I shouldn't say shady stuff all the time.
shes sweet but how could she let the conversation end after he just told her he was SHOOTING at a car?? cant imagine just letting that go and moving on with the night? maybe he was abusive and she didn’t want to push the issue but i just cant see someone having such little reaction to your fiance telling you he just let off a clip in a fucking 7/11 parking lot. smh i don’t get it.
We don't stop this behavior by marrying it and brushing it aside our whole lives. She knew he was a racist piece of shit and still married him, she's not that much of a saint.
Bastiwen not really,she wanted to spend the rest of her life with a racist. She did tell the truth and I guess she deserves a pat on the back for being a decent human being. We really are setting the bar low though.
@Lexmix that's like saying a mother knows when she's gonna birth out a serial killer so it's her fault that said serial killer then killed.
People can hide a lot and show what they want to. Sociopaths, narcissists etc. Are very good at this. She genuinely seems very pure and what he did shook her to the core... like what he did was something she would never expect from the man she's "known" and loved.
@N E S S Unfortunately its more like Racists: Everyone hates me and won't associate with me Other racists: don't worry man we like you. shaming doesn't promote change it simply cause racists to seek solidarity with other racists furthing reinforcing their racism.
@Bradley The Builder The only race issue that was brought up was the person in the back seat calling him a cracker, And unless you are a mind reader we will never know who was racist if any. No need to race pimp this shooting
I felt so bad in the beginning when she was shaking and obviously terrified. Haven’t finished the video yet so I don’t know whether she turns out to be unlikeable, but it’s sad. My heart goes out to the grieving family.
Robert Hunter A grown man took three minutes to decide to grab his gun and start shooting at a vehicle with teenage boys in it. Even as they drove away. He is racist to his core. And if you can’t see that…...then you’ve cut from the same cloth.
Rhonda broke my heart, she was really honest and the fact she is blaiming herself cause it was her idea of going to the gas station, that is a very excelent woman, and her fiance.....well he is a very confuse man, the fact is that he didnt thought on what he was doing,, he was nervous and got scared, and that is a loose cannon, he reacted he never thought of any, when you havre a gun for self defense, you take classes to use the guns in the correct way TAKE A DAMM CLASS FOR SELFDEFENSE AND THE RIGHT USAGE OF A GUN!!....takin a gun out is your last resort!! its when there is no doubt you are or someone else in real life danger! and takin a gun out, just take this in consideration, if the gun is out its cause someone else will die, YOU WANT THAT?? No way! that is why is your last resort and your life or somone else is in imidiant and imminent life danger!......this mas had no idea and a kid end up loosing his life cause of ignorance...this case is truly sad
@Jesse Henderson but there is such a thing as thug music and hating it doesn't make you a racist. This guy may well be a racist, but his taste in music is not proof of it. I also hate music about drugs and gangs and fucking women and would define it at thug music.
@Dra Kid True but in the girlfriend department it is a little different. Much easier to find "a woman" than specifically a racist woman who reaffirms my racism. I doubt ladies are knocking down his door. If she shut him out it could have been a wake up call. Then again he could have murdered her, he is clearly a ciolent person.
CPT Freeman The death of a child is a million times worse than having a fiance who ends up being a convicted murderer, but the latter is still a huge loss too.
Well...actually I feel like she was just scared and her morals had nothing to do with this. I hate Dunn’s guts but how fast she turned on him kinda surprised me...seemed like self preservation more than anything else to me. (Again, absolutely not defending Dunn, just think that we shouldn’t deify ppl for no reason)
@Robert Hunter Hunter. If you're white, you probably contribute to our racist world. There is no white person that's not racist to some degree, we grow up in a racist society. Ignoring it and claiming you're not racist is ironically racist. Let's be honest with ourselves, his attitude, our society. Unfortunately this is racist, 17 year old black kids playing "thug music" and he ended up killing them. Sorry if it hurts your feelings buddy but this is racist.
he was looking for that kind of opportunity. he carried a gun and parked right next to them. he has an aggressive and racist mentality and wanted to get into a conflict where he would be the “victor.” you could see how much pride he took in his gun-related activity and his military buddies. he was looking for the opportunity to use his gun.
@Jazza BigHits First zhings first, I'm a guy. Second, it's not "throwing someone under the bus", it's not defending a murderer, you know, obeying the law ?
I dont know, and I know you shouldnt judge on first impressions but he strikes me as a bully and, like all bullies, he is a coward at heart. He is extremely unlikeable and would imagine he didnt have many friends. My heart goes out to the family of the kid he killed...what a waste of a young life!
He pulls in right beside them having already heard the loud music, then takes exception to it. He is further irritated by the music being turned back up, and then yet even further irritated by being mouthed off to by a bunch of kids. He is well aware they are singing out the lyrics of the song in order to antagonize him, but it infuriates him nonetheless. He grabbed the gun out of pure anger and instantly reacted.....an extremely common theme among people who have had too much to drink and been offended in some way. The fact that he went to the hotel room and had pizza (to try to soak up the excess alcohol and hopefully appear more sober if the police show up) and then went to sleep instead of calling the police (sleep off the drunkenness and if the police don't come until morning, why would you call them to have them come sooner) further supports this thesis. Then when the police don't show up in the morning, he makes a break for it and screams home thinking he's safe from being found out. Completely and selfishly concerned only with how anything affects him and how he feels about everything.
So anyway a few years ago I used to have a hunting knife of some description, I used to like to pull it out while I was blackout drunk and only realize when I would wake up the next day.
So that happened a few times and it honestly freaked me out what I was doing with it in that state so I ended up getting rid of it. I felt like it was the best way not to end up like this jackass here.
He literally told his story like he believed he was in the right and had nothing to be concerned about at all and the cops were going to say "sorry you felt threatened sir and good job for shooting up a car of kids"..
@unnamed fangirl yeah..i think in his mind, he would have no consequences due to that. He believed all cops are racists...hes the same type of guy to call the cops when he saw some black people having barbeque at a public park
@gdbiw86 just because he didn't mention anything doesn't mean there's no underlying causes. Do you expect him to let our racial slurs amidst the situation he's in? Calling them "thugs" and saying he hates "thug" music whereas they were all unarmed teenagers. He felt threatened because they were black, none of these would have happened if it were white kids. You seem to lack knowledge on this topic not the other way around.
@Slick Grit Productions "thug" music/culture needs more dehumanization. If it evaporated from afro-american culture over night then anti-black sentiment would follow along with it.
@madlarkin8 what about all the other genre of music that comes from African American culture that every listens to? Country music comes from African American culture also so what your point. Might as well dehumanize all of it and yall create yall own shit for once
@Daniel O white priivelege does not mean you can do anything and get away with it. It does mean a lot of things in life will be easier for you though. You're 66% less likely to get a call back for a job if you have a black sounding name. Its just the way it is.
@Seraph Sephiroth however on an individual basis your right a racist white employer will likely try not to hire blacks, but same goes for black employers or far left self hating white employers. Theres no laws in place that make a black mans life any more difficult, though
Twitter likes to go on about bullshit and call everything racism and white privilege - but I believe this is a case of actual white privilege (or at least, perceived privilege). He thought he was in the right because he's white.
@Daniel O it's not "bull crap" lol. This is something that has been studied on multiple occasions. Even I completed a research project about this subject in college. Guess what we found after surveying a little over 300 random participants? People with "white" sounding names would get a call back or hired more than people with "black" sounding names, regardless of their educational background, accolades, etc. But hey, your one personal experience MUST mean that this doesn't actually happen.
@Bre R. Even if true and it has nothibg to do with work history or criminal records, then like I said its still on an individual basis, and NO law allows this, there is zero laws in place to give white people the edge. One day whites wont be the majority anymore, then youll be happy
@Dáithi O'Cinnsealach he didn't say that. He actually said that these KIDS, literal teenagers, didn't have any history of violence or history with the law.
@Dáithi O'Cinnsealach you ain't too bright...the cop at that point was saying all kinds of stuff to goad him into admitting too much before he had a lawyer
Love the videos man,Wish you still made them or whatever.I been telling everyone that likes 48hours and 20/20 this is 100%Better.The streets are talking about the JCS( inspired..you have created a whole new category
The most important part for me was the "In my head, I'm thinking :"You stupid ass!" But I see that he was already upset."
1 - She doesn't say "scared", but "upset". The dude was never scared. 2 - if you're in a healthy relationship, you can say whatever you need to say to your partner, even if he or she's angry. If you think it's better to wait until s/he's cool down before making a reproach, ponder if it's really the kind of relation you want, it's doomed to end badly.
And seriously... Who the f* cares about the music during the day on the parking of a gas station ? If it was during the night under the window of your home, I could understand the annoyance. Not the shooting, but the annoyance. But on a public place, during the day, in a space where you don't intend to spend more than 10 minutes, the music is not your concern.
Lastly, during the phonecall with his fiancée, the dude by this point KNOWS he killed an unarmed teenager, and the ass got the gall the say "I'm the victor, but also the victim" lilke if it was a clever things to say.
You are not the victor dude, you shot 8 rounds on an unarmed fleeing teenager, that's not beeing a victor, that's being a bully with not a shred of remorse, and I'm happy you'll spend the rest of your life behind the bar. I'm sorry for the kid who lost his life because you were allowed to hold a gun even if you were not responsible enough to handle such a thing. I'm sorry for his pals who lost a friend/brother while there were just chilling during the day. And I'm sorry for your fiancée, who got to go through this ordeal just because she fell in love with an arse with a temper who didn't deserve her.
Michael Dunn holds the biggest pitty party in 2012.
Edit he says that his windows were rolled up and the music was blaring yet he still manages to hear someone say "just kill him". He must have incredible hearing.
That's a great alternate title. But yeah, just think if he refused to talk without speaking with a lawyer. He probably would've gotten off. It's a good thing these heinous criminals aren't very bright or knowledgeable.
@I'll taketh thy cheese by force , define gang, and define crime. Because there's a gang in this People's White House and they sure are committing a lot of crimes and a lot of these gang members are getting away with it.
It can suck for sure, so can’t some country & hip hop & rock, definitely pop but none of them suck enough to shoot your gun 9? 10? Into the car. Idk man. Just no excuse
@I'll taketh thy cheese by force It's a dog whistle, my guy. You being black doesn't change the fact that a lot of neocons and alt-right reactionaries use the word to describe your demographic.
@Subversive Control Yeah, I saw. You used words to make absolutely no point at all. Because 'tractor' carries no loaded, subversive meaning to a knowing audience, goofy.
@Ebon you have to be painfully delusional to act like this doesn't have a racial element to it. This is why racism isn't being dealt with, people like you put their head in the sand and give racists excuses
Subversive Control believe it or not it is as it was presented. His own fiancé said he made no mention of a gun, how convenient that he feared for his life after the fact. He was just mad the kids cursed his ass out, why shoot after they start driving away. I know you racists want to justify this but there is absolutely no justification. Even if they did get out of the car, this is not a stand your ground case at all!
CozyPHID it’s propagated through rap music. There is your problem. Rappers calling each other the N-Word and degrading women. Some rock music is just as bad. Black metal is even worse. Nothing positive comes out of any music with sexual, degrading and negative overtones. Conservatives did not create the word thug or propagate the word.
That being said , they #ucked with the wrong person. Maybe other teenagers will to realize they don’t control the world and them being rude and threatening can have dire results,
Subversive Control . Your exhausting responses are a study on why anti-black racism remains so durable and powerful in America. This case is settled: Forensics, multiple eye witnesses, reason and logic all tell us what happened in totality, but you’ll avoid all the facts and power thru with your racial bias anyway and paint the black murder victims as aggressors who had it coming. This is not cognitive dissonance. You’re just a hate merchant against black folk. Like millions in America
@TheOriginal GGHarasser You deny using a dog whistle and then IN YOUR VERY NEXT SENTENCE say "not my fault a lot of them act like thugs."
Why do you even bother pretending you're not racist? You realize that you don't get to decide whether or not you are, right? Other people decide that for you.
@TheOriginal GGHarasser So, you Klan members feel that simple disrespect from a black person justified murder? And, I believe the only way you were through the courts was as a defendent. Possible something sexual towards kids. White guys love kids.
@I'll taketh thy cheese by force well done. The world needs more ppl like you maybe. How can we ever deal with situations if we can't even talk to each other honestly. The world seems to be increasingly full of ppl who just cannot 'wait to be offended by something.
@Subversive Control The context is Fox News and their demonstrable use of "thug" as an allegory for "black people". Do share your independently verified, falsifiable and peer-reviewed evidence for your claims as well as a mechanism we can use to delineate your beliefs from delusions. Surely you care whether or not your beliefs comport with reality, right? Where's your data that demonstrates a tire iron, or similar object, pointed at Dunn or that the KIDS in the car did anything to cause the thug, Dunn, to murder one of them. Can't wait to review your evidence! Maybe you can have his conviction overturned! Smdh.
@Subversive Control Well, your little wish list of possibilities does not make you an attorney. I do appreciate the fact that you're trying to insert reasonable doubt into the minds of the readers of this thread as lame as it is. Good luck with All that.
@LAVATORR seriously, it'd be better if they just accepted themselves so we could know more easily to stay away from them. They know being racist is bad and unacceptable but want to be racist anyway so they need to find cheeky ways to avoid it
@Ebon I'm totally not saying I'm 'with her coz I'm not but, their 'are genetic differences. Of course! You know that right? Else how could you do one of those "ancestory" dna swab tests?
@Callum Lambkin Dingdingding. Absolutely. Racists swear up and down they're the "silent majority" and their ideas have tons of widespread appeal, yet they're such fucking cowards they trip over themselves lying about their beliefs under even minor pressure.
Your ideas are so popular even YOU are embarrassed to stand by them in public.
@Callum Lambkin uhhh I'd say the bigger issue that needs to be addressed is inside the black community. There would be far less racists in the world if they cleaned up their act.
TheOriginal GGHarasser it’s funny because there’s a movement in the black community who say the same, black owned business supported by black people for black people
@Pete Haskell There was no instant of an arrest. There was no object seen pointed at Michelle Dunn. He has lost two appeal attempts - so good luck with that ridiculous belief.
@Pete Haskell No imminent threat is necessary. Now we as a society grant our LE officers a miscalculation enforcing the law at times. But self-defense is not what you imagine - it is what is imminent - being a real threat. Why do you think that Michelle lost two appeals so far? Because he cannot prove that he was threatened with a firearm. He cannot prove that Jordan ran at him with a crowbar. You cannot imagine and react. You cannot lie and react.
@LL Cool Nay Don't waste your time, it could be a hd video with amazing sound quality and he would still present some convoluted "doubt which would put a hole in the lynch mobs argument"
that's right we are sick and tired of teenage thugs . they should either respect people around them or they deserve what's coming to them when they defy everybody around
@sognodiangeli "No, that logic, and excuse only applies to white teens." That's 100% the case. It's almost endearing how some people in this thread feel the need to defend their fellow racist. Kudos to them for being such a tightly knit group.
ikr like damn cant you politely ask too turn the music down and even if they didn't turn it down they probably cant hear you because the music is a bit up he just sounds all around prejudice too say the least and batshit crazy he is a supposed to be grown man and he shoots at teenagers? i mean who the hell does this? it makes no sense and even if the teens were aggressive in any way ( i mean what teen isnt rebellious?) he should have walked into the store and called the police he failed too do this because he isnt a responsible adult he should never be let outside of jail never this whole mess isso disturbing to me because as a child of GOD alot of things in this situation scare me and saddens me I just hope the families find justice and heal over time i can oly imagine what they go through each day
@Teardropangel30 You gave the best explanation of what happened that I have read on this thread. When you said, Michael Dunn was the adult, so few seem to forget that. And, who hasn't been around teenagers who mouth off? Thank you!
@I'll taketh thy cheese by force Addressing gang culture is a great subject except, which discussing this case which had absolutely nothing to do with gang culture. Jordan and his friends weren't even close to looking gangster.
TheOriginal GGHarasser I was just think what if he had shot in the air? That would have scared most people off. If it didn’t and they still start getting out or point something that’s different.
@Callum Lambkin it may have a racial element to it to you because the people invovled happen to be of a diff race...theres nothing but him stating that they called him a "cracker" to say this was racially motivated ect. Why do you beleive this is a racially motivated crime?
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That's guns for you. Humans even considered 'normal' by most other people on the surface can be irrational and lose it at times. No gun - No death. He acted like a thug when complaining of others being thugs! Amazing. Guilty..That's why guns don't give people second chances - Black or White, Yellow or Red. Period.
@I'll taketh thy cheese by force I really suggest watching 13th on Netflix by Ava DuVernay. It's very enlightening about how the US government created fear of black people in the US even among black communities. Every US citizen should watch it, especially African Americans who deserve more than what they are given
@TheOriginal GGHarasser Except they didn't try to walk through his car according to the forensic evidence based on the bullets of the trajectory through the doors. And uh. . . these things the cops said they had called: independent witness. *Shrugs shoulders.
Annoying people with loud obnoxious does not warrant their death. I saw through your subtle comment there. Like the cops said, they were teenagers. Teenagers can be rebellious. They were at the gas station first. Mr. Dunn pulled up beside them. Why didn't he park somewhere else like the other driver witness?
@I'll taketh thy cheese by force I love how instead of just saying you are black you criticised your accuser of not being clairvoyant. Quality rebuttal.
Is he wrong? It is thug music. I grew up in the hood. I used to listen to rap, just to piss off my parents. Listen to the lyrics. Glorification of violence, drug dealing / use, and mistreatment of women. It's really difficult to put a positive spin on rap once you read the lyrics.
@Realistic Penguin Oh man, you sure got me good, I forgot that there's a magical energy field the police put up during an interrogation that prevents anyone from lying, and that I was arguing that he'd never said the word 'thug' before. I'm totally destroyed, feel free to celebrate with some more emojis
Psychopaths do that and understand the consequences, a lot of thugs kinda do that and don’t get the gravity of the situation, but also I’m incredibly not qualified to be talking about this 😂
@Subversive Control He shot at a car that was driving away. HE had been drinking. HE rolled his window down to tell them to turn the music down. HE hated the music, but chose to park right by the Loud Music. HE only had to deal with the music for minutes. It's not like they were neighbors. HE escalated things. As a grown man HE should have had more self control. Remember that.
I mean I don’t think the guy is innocent by any means but maybe be more respectful it is rather annoying when you have music so fucking Loud. Where I’m from you assume everyone has a gun
@ADMA Government institutions are not "gangs". Go look up the definition. Npw, name one crime that has been 100% proven to be committed by this "gang". Perjury during an illegal investigation does not count as a crime.
@Lucie Otis ballistics dont prove shit about a door being open or closed. You can't argue angle of entry of the bullets either....the door could have been shut right before the bullets hit even so that is a non-starter. Guess I am racist too now right?
@Subversive Control Cop 1: "You know how many times that kid has been to Jail? Never. He has no history of violence. These aren't violent guys." So what is it that fuels your sarcasm? What do you reckon they did wrong? Perhaps you object to their listening to loud music while being black?
@TheOriginal GGHarasser You are literally making your point of view up. If you only listened to the people in this video you would know that the only person to say what you said is a convicted murderer. Every other person that watched this event go down says that you are a LIAR.
@Subversive Control you're repeating similar comments as the murderer made in the vid. Just goes to show both of your feelings about black people or young people is more common that some people think
@Subversive Control i mean you watched the video and still made a comment after the fact about "im sure these poor children did nothing wrong". Why would you make a comment like that after you've seen the evidence and proof? The only people saying shit like that is people with similar mindsets as the murderer, i.e. racists or older people who have something against the youth
@Subversive Control he's been convicted of murder, and wont be getting out. Im not arguin about it being premeditated, im simply saying his comments had racial undertones. And a lot of comments in this thread including yours seemingly share the same views he does or of other old racists
My Channel you dont know what happened. Possible one of the kids flashed a bit of silver.. would be in character. To say oh these poor teens were blameless is obv politically motivated. Reality says otherwise.
@Big Stank You know how many times that's been debunked. Actually do some research, "they fought eachother so they deserved to have their land stolen and genocided" idiotic to assume every one of the hundreds of tribes were violent and not just a select few.
@TheOriginal GGHarasser I'm sure he didn't know he had taken that teenagers life. And he never made up any excuse about having taken a life because he didn't know he had to do so! I believe he did see something he mistook for a gun, and believe the teenager did open his door to advance but realised whilst the man was reaching for his gun in what he claims was fear for his or his fiancées life, the teenager realised and closed his door, but he had never stepped out but had opened the door and made it clear to the man he was in the midst of getting out and advancing. None of the teenagers having criminal records doesn't mean they weren't into crime, just means they were fortunate not to then have yet been caught for anything. And all criminals at some stage in their lives didn't have criminal records until they first got caught.
Actually I would blame the rap thug music for inciting violence . It was designed for that in the first place. Every time I hear it it makes me reach for both Lady Smith and Mr Wesson. That Sledge hammer makes the same frequency as the rap music . (:
@Broken Abyss Just took a listen. I can tell you're new. Are you used to talking into a mic? It sounds like you're reading a paragraph in front of the class, but I wouldn't worry. That comes with time. Keep it up!
@HorseLuver4Everlol i know!!! I’m not a strong reader in the first place, but reading on the spot when recording is even harder. My biggest problem is that I use my iPhone to write, record and edit the videos. So the audio wouldn’t be great even if I was a stronger reader. I plan on buying a mic and laptop as soon as I can. I have broke people problems, but at least I have an iPhone. Lol
@Big Stank the trump administration behaves like a crime syndicate...called his own lawyer a rat. Wether you believe it or not several trump people have been indicted and are serving time RICO would fit.
Ebon honestly, it does look like he was “scared for his life” because it was black teenagers. i doubt that he would feel this intimidated if it were white teenagers. white people tend to feel more “afraid” of people of color. i don’t blame them though, this behavior is taught from a young age. it was always be untaught.
Chris they were teenagers. KIDS. TEENS. HARD HEADED TEENS. the older man should have known better than to expect a group of teenagers to care whether he likes their music or not.
@Leslie Melo That is silly. 1st what you wrote is a gross exaggeration. 2nd its is a common conception in the US... and still racist. 3rd I am a "person of color" and educated in body language communications. The first reaction is to how someone is dressed, (not skin color) and second how they behave (not skin color.) What you are talking about is not "taught" it's a reaction to behavior. Also I will add that not only "African" Americans have "black" skin. Many East Indians are also "black." This crap about skin color needs to stop.
@Leslie Melo Yes as much as it goes against the grain, racism is usually a part of a culture. No one sits in school and teaches racism like a science (except for the 1920's and thirties... which is why the members of the Nazi Party were mostly doctors! of all things.) "Racism" mostly exists in the "African" American community but not in other black communities like the (actual) African and Western Antillies communities. They "look" the same (like Leventines and Greeks) but their body language (attitude) is largely different. Each individual is also different. Other "of color" people also do not face the same supposed discrimination the "African" Americans complain about. And just as a disclosure both of my parents are from Africa. I was born in Asia.
Except thugs are smarter like my dad got killed in a drive by my idiot gang member step brothers where both killed by rival gang members and to this day 1/2/2021 there has been 0 arrests cuz they be smarter then Dunn .
As an OG of the Brevard County Vatos Locos, Mr. Dunn represented for the East Coast gangsta rap scene. The young men in the Durango were bumping some Dirty South booty bass and a turf war was unavoidable.
@Coco Vaughn I'd bet every dollar that's it. The lawyer told them to not use slurs and replace them with another word they could use. They definitely lied in court.
@Sew Me I used to play my music super load at 16-20, I had a subwoofer and would blast kid cudi, 2pac, snoop, any rap or hip hop song that was “in”...with my windows down. 🤔🤷♀️ Oh, I’m white. Playing loud music has NOTHING to do with race.....
@Ebon Uhhhh, "white" people get sunburnt more often, but get more vitamins out of solar radiation. "White" people have a stronger tolerance for lactose, but weaker for things like beans.
This is because building up a tolerance to food takes hundreds, if not thousands of years.
well, why is this man under trial? A software engineer taken from his freedom for 4 lowlifes good at nothing? Well done America, well done.
Continue to defend the 'usual suspects" and nothing will remain out of your country.
Well said, crazy overreaction. Feel so bad for the pointless loss. Alcohol and firearms are never a good idea. I’m UK and guns are not something the general public own. I’m sure there’s more positives than negatives with gun ownership, but when it goes wrong it’s tragic.
@Ebon absolutely ignorant, look at the context of the situation. Don’t ignore racial issues because they make you uncomfortable. The more we face them head on, the less murders like this occurs
Thug music is not black music. Thug music is music that glorified crime. To say it is black music is racist. All colors commit crime. Thug music is the music that is blared 95% of the time or more. It is rude and disgusting. That obscene music is often blared around kids as it talks about sex, murder, money and other unbecoming things. This man is wrong, but the kids also should be respectful
@Ebon they are never called thugs when they are not black. Its usually "troubled teen" (school shooter), "misguided youth" white gang member. But if a black person exists its "thug". So yes the word is racially charged. When it comes to other races there are other terms for them as well by the white media. Look into how the media manipulates people to hate other groups through the language they use
@P facts. As soon as I heard her say that he hated that "thug" music. I knew what he meant. And that's honestly if he even said "thug". He may really said the N word but she cleaned it up.
@TheTruth dunn literally provoked them first.. you can’t seriously be trying to justify firing 10 shots off into a car full of unarmed teens because you don’t like their music??
@Don't drink the Kool-Aid We’re in the comment section of a YouTube video, and not in court Sir. How else can one have insight, if not for personal experience?
What else would someone consider thug music? Who do folks generally call thugs? Bikers and black folks come on. everyone saying “everything isn’t about race” lives in a god damned bubble, or have never seen subtle racism before chill.
@Ebon Ask Mike Dunn, but there was obvious racial prejudice here. And you’re just ignorant to it, and that’s fine I guess but don’t go acting like this has nothing to do with race? What other genre do you hear people refer to as thug music or thugs?
@JHamm Rap doesn't exclusively have these themes, while I understand you're referring to the mainstream term, acting like this is the entire genre [and songs with sexual degrading or negative overtones] are all inherently bad isn't really cool. These things aren't even propagated via rap music, rap music is used as an outlet by these people as much as any other genre is.
@Ebon dude if you can’t see how this guy was racist idek how to help you. It was blatantly obvious, he def wouldn’t have used that word to describe a bunch of white kids listening to the same kind of mysic
@Ebon while that is true, thug is applicable to behavior not a certain race, it is often used as a dog whistle, or subtle political language, to bring down African Americans or to portray them as violent criminals
@Ebon it’s like using the word “urban” an older white guy saw a car of black teenagers blasting rap music and the word “Thug” first came to mind. Pure hatred arose and he took a life. As someone of color I often try to give ppl the benefit of the doubt but if this wasn’t an act of racism idk what it lmao
It's like he's surprised they're not gang bangers. Like you wouldn't be able to tell by looking at the young men. Nothing about their appearance or demeanor screamed thug. He is the racist thug. People need to be reprogrammed
@Bill Wilson Just park your further away from the music. Just realize it's a gas station and not your house. Just learn to tolerate things you don't like. It's really that simple.
so so so so sad hearing abt how they were just hanging out listening to some music and dancing and it just makes me so sad. just some people trying to enjoy life in this dystopia and theyre shot at with a gun. i cant even believe it. RIP and i hope the survivors can move on and still find enjoyment in life and music man its just such a bummer 😞 RIP
What I am trying to wrap my head around watching these documentaries is how everyday Joe’s turn into killers over inconvenienced situations. Situations don’t always go your way and peoples reactions are not always in your favor. Grow up.
@mad sus Same here. I've never been interested in true crime stories, but it seems like I've fallen into the JCS rabbit hole, and I can't get out. And for some strange reason, I have a craving for a Coke and a Butterfinger!
Wow I was just thinking that after watching Netflix I tried to scroll down to read comments like I was on YouTube. Lol 😆 On another note I hate it after I watch a YT video only to find out they disabled the comment section. Pretty sure I lose a little of my soul every time I come across this awful setting. Don't disabled the voices!...Wow rant over.
I'm addicted to JCS this channel is gold for your mind.
Remember in the beginning of Netflix when you use to be able to leave reviews under shows on Netflix and they scraped it because it was all swear words and sex references 😄
Same, it’s on my iPad and I fell asleep, the playlist was on this channel, my husband asking me next day “is everything ok? Something bothers you? We can get out of town for a weekend’ I asked him what’s going on, he replied with “3 videos where about women killing their husbands. Just checking , didn’t know if you were getting some ideas or just enjoyed watching this type of videos “🤦♀️
@Matthew Vaughan They used to have a comment section, but it was shut down a few years ago when one big star (I can't remember who) complained about people posting too many unjustifiably negative comments on her movie.
Bruh literally over half of the entire video is just investigation footage and the other about 10% is his commentary if you’re so interested it’s not impossible to find this stuff online
@Leslie I am addicted to but it would be better if he put english subtiles. As a french it's sometime hard to understand everything for me just by hearing because sometime we don't hear so much
@Mylena zvezta welll, he is a marine , 6’1 240 pounds, I am 5’7 and 115 pounds. But at the end of the day, what I say goes ;)))))) at least I think that it does 😜
Ma'am you keep saying that you didn't pay your rent because you lost your job because you stopped leaving your house because you are watching psychology videos? Does that sound like a good excuse to you?
Excuse me but.. what is the difference between Netflix and Youtube? I guess having all those documentaries on Youtube... for free... by people and not huge companies that ruin movies and documentaries and shows, a comment section.. why ON EARTH would you want to have it on a streaming site if you can bingewatch it here? I dont get this Netflix generation. (which is kind of also my generation and that makes me feel sad)
Well it didn't help him. But they rehearse like crazy with their lawyers for this, should they insist on taking the stand, which he probably had to do given his initial blabbing but is not generally recommended.
@Virral Rhonda was the least affected from this situation, typical white person, totally forgetting a mother and father lost a son , and a group of young black boys had to watch their friend get murdered , but let’s feel sorry for the white lady , who went back to the hotel with the killer to eat pizza
@Virral you do?? I hope you're sure about that. I don't even remember my own tumblr name. I hope you're doing good, wow what are the chances I found you In the comments on the same vids im watching like this! Fate ☺ you're super cool, keep being you. Thanks for inspiring my evangelion addiction and love for asuka 😋
Yes i feel respect for her. She looked complacent and so nervous all the time i assumed she'd be the type to defend her fiance by instinct or say she doesn't remember but she was all honest and understood mike was a f*cked up idiot
Smart move getting a black detective in there. You can see the dynamic playing out well. Gave me chills the way he said "two handed" 29:35 and shot his hands up.
"another car of thugs" doesn't make me think he feels horrible for his crime, nor feel bad about it. It makes me think he feels justified in doing what he did.
That last clip of his testimony around 54:00 makes me so mad because you can just tell that he fully, completely expected Rhonda to lie for him about how he callously murdered that boy. That she could just completely shunt aside her humanity like he has and just pretend like that poor kid had to die that night. Thank god she has a fuckin' heart. You can see on her face she knows someone's baby was murdered and that her fiance didn't think twice about it.
Yeah but the police probably told her if she wasn't completely truthful she can probably be charged with accessory to murder cuz she was with him and left the scene with them and they did not call the cops neither did she. Because if you think about it she has a cell phone too and she had all all duty to call police on the spot also cuz now she's a witness, they probably told her that if she's not one hundred percent truthful that she might be charged with being a part of the kids murder
@James Broomfield true , I was kind of buying it when she got in the car before an explanation of what happened it her confusion, but when she saw on the news that someone died and said "we need to go home". I was like home??? You can't go home..
@Sally H. I think she said that because you know where everything is at your home town including police station etc. and that if they saw their license plate that they'll probably know where they live and would get suspicious if they weren't home.
At least that's what I thought but honestly Idk. I'm just making assumptions.
@Rosmarinstimme He left her alone for several hours after they got back home, and yet she still didn't call the police. Soooo....yeah, abused woman terrified of retribution? I don't think so.
Also, she was legally obligated to testify, they weren't married so spousal privilege doesn't apply. It was this, or get arrested for perjury. You don't get brownie points for doing the bare minimum of basic human decency, especially if it's done only after you've exhausted every other option.
@James Broomfield to be fair, he told her that he shot at the car and didn’t hurt anyone and i guess she had no reason not to believe him at the time. she didn’t know anyone died until she watched the news, and was probably thinking “we shouldn’t be sitting here at this hotel, we need to go home so we can talk to the police”
if i were her i wouldn’t want to call and talk to anyone about what happened when i’m still vulnerable to this guy with a GUN who just shot at and killed a boy over music. if she said, “you need to turn yourself in” or “let’s go to the police” he probably would’ve killed her too. she was trying to appease him and keep him calm for the sake of her own life, too.
@Arianna Diamond THANK YOU! There’s so much to this that the commenters above refuse to acknowledge. I can only imagine the million racing thoughts she was having those first 12 hours. It isn’t so black and white as people make it out to be.
I don't understand how these people can kill someone and later say "I don't want to go to jail" or "I don't want to lose my freedom" they should of thought about that before doing what they did.
That Poor woman.....She is courageous for telling the truth . That poor man that lost his life at such a young age for literally no logical reason...rest in peace.
Very sad. As I've got older, I definitely stopped getting angry over shit while driving. Never been in this situation but road rage etc. It's not worth it, you never know what a stranger is capable of or how they'll react. Not all blaming the kids. Not at all. I don't know if they actually said shit to him or not, altho I'm sure he's exaggerating what they said. But it's best to just ignore people or leave when possible because there's a lot of nuts like this out there. Especially in stand your ground states where people think they can get away with this and often do.
Lets just completely ignore the last three responses under here because theyre blatantly racist and disgusting and the commenters obviously dont have enough braincells to be reasoned with, so Ill just say I could never imagine that feeling. This vile old man nearly killed four teenagers over MUSIC, like Jesus Christ I couldnt even begin to think about the lasting trauma to the other kids over something so simple
I can understand people being upset over music. Personally speaking, I have tinnitus and loud noises annoy the absolute fuck out of me. Enrage me even. For some random dude to shoot a kid over it, especially without a legitimate reason or disability to lean on other then loud music, is very, very disappointing.
Can you imagine if this never happened and this guy had his own kids one day...."turn that music down" and a rebellious teen saying no. What might this violent man have done to his own kids. IF you have that kind of nature as he did, it would come out somewhere else down the line
@Content Ganja I hope that is sarcasm. Noise pollution isn't equal to murder. Noise pollution is a fine and maybe jail and not the death penalty for a reason.
This is super heartbreaking. Because they were literal teenagers enjoying music, maybe it was too loud but it’s literally harmless in the long run. So for this racist dude to get so triggered by it to shoot at them just shows how much hatred he harbored in his heart prior
the dude very clearly believes he was in on some normative social exceptionalism - quite literally his defensive strategy was to repeat
" I was afraid of black children who wouldn't do what I told them with no back-sass "
+ it's very clear he expected the cops to agree with that take, & to a dude his age, with the lead poisoning and all the media here, you can start to see why he might think that ...
He was waiting for the fellas to pat him on the back & tell him how cool and brave he was for projecting & enforcing white supremacy - even on the witness stand
@Simmone Watts most defs white children aren't children to some white people either and Hispanic children are not children to some black, white, and other Hispanic people and Asian children are not children to some white, black, Hispanic and other Asian people and......ah well you get the idea sometimes it seems like the only thing humans have been able to consistently work together for about as long as written history and probably before also is hating each other
King G2021-01-10 12:52:07 (edited 2021-01-10 12:52:50 )
@anonymous that's not true We see kids as kids we don't even call 18 year olds adults because they aren't biologically. I'm 33 and have never viewed a teenage white, Hispanic, Asian or any other as an adult when they weren't
@anonymous clearly you missed @bad bich colada williams point. She is saying that in america, there is this perception that regardless of how old a young black male may be 14, 15, 16, they are perceived as a inherently violent man, instead of an innocent child. See cases such as Tamir Rice and Trevon Martin, as just a few examples. Mr. Dunn knew they were children, because he said so himself... but he saw them as violent thugs and not worthy of living if they did not comply with his demands. This whole thing is an example of him activating his white privilege and protecting his male fragility.
@anonymous i agree, the overwhelming majority doesn't. However, i believe the last 4 years has shown us that far too many do. Additionally, a lot of work needs to be done. I think what's most frustrating is that people of color have been talking about this for eons. Many people of non-color would disregard it, minimize it, or flat out didn't believe these things are still happening. You might not realize it but the fact that you instinctively was moved to basically say there are many people in all races that don't see children as children is an example of you minimizing what was said... same with all lives matter slogans it's the same thing.
@Angela J yeah thats a very good point I can't speak for everyone but for me personally a lot of it comes from a combination of not feeling or thinking of myself as better or different than anyone else based on something as hollow as race or gender On top of that as much as I dislike things like that happening and the people that carry and spread that sort of ideology around I also can't ever truly understand (from a pure empathy perspective) what people on the other side of that go through and deal with I also don't want to come across like any minor frustration I may have is relevant or significant in any way compared to anyone else I suppose I just hate to feel like a part of all of that. I just kinda hate how it seems like the biggest and loudest assholes can be the ones that reach the most people Sometimes it seems like it takes a thousand people to even attempt to counter one jackass that hurts or kills someone for something that stupid again im not trying to complain I know its absolutely nothing like what people who are victims in some way have to deal with but its still aggravating
At times, walking away is the best decision to do in your life! That would be the bravest to do!!! If either party did that, there would not be a tragedy!
Rhonda immediately shut down his "being in there with them animals" remark in that phone call, and refused to play into his "I'm the victim` nonsense. You could tell just by her reaction on the phone that she didn't have the same views, and probably wouldn't be defending him in court.
So, for those not too familiar with Jacksonville, Baymeadows is in an area of town full of old families. It’s widely considered one of the safest areas in town and a great place to raise a family. That SUVs full of gun wielding lunatics hang out at gas stations is ludicrous. These were just kids being kids.
Yeah this is nowhere near downtown or any of the areas with trouble, it doesn't even LOOK sketch at all. Its one of the cleanest areast in Jacksonville.
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Andy Valdes2021-12-22 15:34:36 (edited 2022-02-26 22:14:34 )
Even if this did take place in a “dangerous” area, even if the guys in the suv were armed themselves, that’s still not an excuse to start a random confrontation or shoot at them for listening to loud music at a gas station.
I live here and gangs are in every part of town. You can not shoot until you see the weapon, unless you is a cop. If they threatened to kill 911 should have been called and he should have left.
@LostStarzOfTheSky facts. Jacksonville relative here also... And you all are correct the areas explaining are not violent places at all.. Definitely when compared to other areas in the city.. trust me I know lol
@心黒白 Baymeadows is a very nice area! I used to work for ClientLogic off of Baymeadows, that's where you go when you want a great paying job, sage neighborhoods and general caring people...mostly older! I used to leave my windows down in my car while I was at work. I'd never do that on the West side, where I lived!!
@Queen UshiriYah damn, that makes alot crazier than it already was, what a fkn racist. Thanks for sharing your experience of the area, now i know his reaction had 0 rational intent and was just pure evil
@心黒白 It doesn't make a difference if he was aware of the areas reputation or not. He opened fire on a car full of guys because he didn't like their music. Rhonda would have been five minutes, tops, buying a bottle of wine. If I can listen to ten minutes of country or polka without going postal, he can listen to five minutes of whatever they were playing without resorting to murder.
As a Jacksonville native I couldn’t agree more.. this man is so delusional even him lying to make himself looks better makes him look like a racist gun nut, this man wasn’t scared of shit and his retelling in such a calm manner is almost laughable. This poor child and family… and his poor friends in the car that saw this happen and had to testify, I’m sick thinking about it and hope they have found peace 🥺
@心黒白 He was exactly what he's been accused of...a Racist! I have 2 teenage Young Men and even though I can't be with them 24/7...they have had their fair share of racism living in Florida! They both are alive and can continue to pray that I never get "that call"! Pray for us and with us...we are doing the same! Peace and Blessings!
@Teena Jarvis I know right! This story literally was on the news for like a week! I remember being at work...crying so hard after they announced Young Jordan was only 17!! My Sons were 15 and 17 at the time!! I was so afraid to let them go out. I even took my car back and made both of my Sons take the bus for rest of the year! A Mother's fear...never leaves! Thank you!
D Geo2022-06-12 15:36:38 (edited 2022-06-12 15:48:48 )
Im glad the cops didn't even entertain his bullshit they picked him apart real quick they pointed out every inconsistency my first thought was if your windows were up and the music was blasting how could you make out what they were saying literally nothing of his story made sense but that alone would be enough to know hes full of shit also not only was Rhonda honest she was an adversarial witness against dunn in the trial good on her
These young men who happened to enjoy rap music saw their friend die. I feel awful for them, like unless you served in viet nam or any war really you shouldn’t have to go through that
I can really empathize with her because I had to testify in an abuse case, and my father (the defendant) had attempted to coach me before the trial. Although her bond to the defendant was much stronger, and the case more serious, I know that kind of terror. The fact that she told the truth, no matter how painful it was to say, shows that she is a wonderful person who deserves peace and happiness. One day, I hope she sees these comments, because should know hundreds if not thousands of people support her.
@isabel lind Please, nothing is on her. She showed her true colors when testifying. She was probably both in shock and denial. She testified against him, no matter how hard it was. No reason to blame her for anything. Regardless, her calling the police wouldn't really change the outcome.
@isabel lind I never called her å victim, I just think she deserves the benefit of the doubt. Could she have done something better? She didn't know if anyone even got hurt. You don't either know how you would react. She was obiviously fearful, he could be severly controlling for all we know. Anyways, she did the right thing MOST of the time. She came forward as soon as she realized how serious it was. He did the shooting, the driving, the lying, the victim blaming and everything. HE was in the wrong. She was at the wrong place at the wrong time with the wrong man, that is it. She helped this case. She cared more about the young man dying and justice, than she cared for her fiance's freedom. You don't know how you would react. She did NOTHING wrong.
"Ugh I hate that thug music" I'm sorry but I burst into laughter. Imagine that being enough for you to fire shots and kill someone. And then lie because you're in denial about the whole thing and say they threatened you when YOU indeed were the threat.
For most of this video, we saw a bad person who did a bad thing trying to make himself look good. ......and At the very end, we saw a good person doing a good thing trying to make herself feel better. God bless that woman. She chose her soul.
She didn't do it to make herself feel better, but quite the opposite. She did it because she's a good honest person. It didn't make her feel better doing it
@Gary Enwards I would put all of your money on her doing the exact same thing if she was not under oath, she is a genuine good gentle woman. The reason she was emotional was because it was tough for her to through this ordeal, at the same time knowing that this person she still has strong feelings for will never walk free again.
The reason Mike was with a woman like her was because he was always in full control. As soon as I saw him I knew he was a total prick, throughout the video he went on to prove my prejudgement of him was spot on.
@Ross J MacGregor I totally agree with you, I think she hated having to accept that the man she had planned and dreamed about spending the rest of her life with was not the man she had thought
Even if he’d kept his mouth shut, there is no self defense justification for shooting at the car as it’s driving away. He still would be guilty of second degree murder and be in prison for life.
I feel like she was so honest bc she’s a nurse & has probably seen needless loss of life & human suffering for no reason. He shot a child & left the scene immediately, she knew he was guilty.
I honestly don’t think she ever had the idea of lying nor did he ever try to get her to lie for him. He probably assumed she would have for him, but luckily she naturally told the truth. Also did they ever get even a guess motive? Dunn said self defense but what was going on in his head? “Some teens playing music better kill them.”???
@renee I don’t think she’s defending him, just more so saying people are crazy and you never know who’s going to snap over the lightest things. Just my take on it at least :)
@derainboI mean one of the witnesses said the last thing he said was “you’re not gonna fucking talk to me like that” before he shot so I think he just wasn’t taking back talk for black kids especially since even the other teens said the kid was slinging cuss words at him. Also all his neighbors said he was a hot head who liked to start shit with them cause he was a tough guy.
@Skylar still isnt justification. Maybe if he minded his business in the first place, he never would have a confrontation with the kid in the first place. If he doesn't like cigarette smoke, and a guy is smoking, he's not just going to blast the guy cause he's smoking. There is zero justification for what he did.
@Jamal Sowell Dunn is where he belongs. The fiancé was probably in the convenience store for 10 minutes if that, it doesn’t take long to grab wine and chips. If he can’t deal with a minor nuisance for that long without resorting to murder, he should never be released
@SarahsCraftyCreation agreed. If he can't take someone cursing at him, I don't know how he made it this long in life before killing someone talking back to him.
God the whole time im listening to her I just want her to stop, because she clearly is too scarred and bruised from this experience to really be fit for sitting up there... yet they made her do it anyways. God what an unfortunate situation.
"I had friend in the military who taught me blah blah". Took out his inadequacies as a human, fantasised about being a bad ass and was itching for an excuse to validate his masculinity. Yay America.
23:43 love this bit detective stops him explaining cause I know know why cause it stops the suspect rest his mind and adds to anxiety and its subtly aggressive aswell I learn this from this uploader 👍
man, his downfall is completely his own making. he not once told the love of his life of his concerns of them having a gun, he went outside to walk the dog unarmed, he didn't contact police or anyone regarding this and instead fled the scene. i think even had he lawyered up big time he wouldn't have gotten off the hook
rhonda's account truly unmade him and sealed his fate
According to his neighbour, Dunn was a controlling person who often came across as arrogant and his ex-wives would tell him of the domestic abuse they suffered although he never witnessed it himself. Just watching Rhonda, I get the feeling she's suffered similarly. She's terrified to even be up there to the point she can't tell left from right. The stare he gives when she says Dunn did not mention a shotgun at any point, effectively dismantling what little defence he had, says a lot.
There’s nothing like the beginning and watching who gets a picture of them in court and who has to have an old photo pulled. I already know what happens before I watch past the first few minutes.
masterful video journalism, whose imitators pale in comparison. i would like to see a JCS presentation on the criminal group psychology of US foreign policy over the last few decades.
Who was he to demand someone to turn their music down. All he had to do was get his gas ,drink, or whatever the heck he was buying that night and take his a$$ home. He had no right to kill someone because they did not comply to his irrelevant demands.
I feel for his wife so much. You can see the internal battle she is fighting within herself. You can tell this is something she will always struggle with. She is more remorseful then he is even when she is completely innocent and not knowing what her fiance would do. She is a very honest honorable woman. I hope she finds somebody who will treat her like the lady she is.
I seriously think she was abused by him. You can believe the second I knew what he had done I'd be at the police station AFTER cussing him tf out but nah, she just goes to the room and then goes home after that! Wtf
I agree with you completely but my sympathy lies with the family of the young man who lost his life and those in the vehicle who will probably suffer emotionally from this for the rest of their lives.
All I see is polished poor-woman acting, rubbing her hands and trying to sound as weakly as possible, when in reality someone in this position is so overwhelmed by adrenaline that must be containing the urge to start jumping with all their might.
momster Not sure how it could be phoney considering she was inside the gas station and there's no way she could have foreseen or taken part in this weird random confrontation he randomly started... am I missing something here?
@cala lily however she sounds, she's at least honest about the situation, and many people in her position would have been less than helpful or honest. We can maybe question her choice in men, but there's not really any point in picking apart her demeanor, her words are what's important here.
Yes!!! She was absolutely breaking my heart. And in the beginning, with the prison phone call, she literally says "I don't think we should talk about it anymore" and he just continues right on talking about it on a recorded line like a moron. Right then I knew we were dealing with a real piece of shit.
She's so "honest and honorable" she rides home with him in relative silence and doesn't call the police or let any authorities know about what just happened.
According to the Wikipedia article, a neighbour said that he was supposed to have beat his first wife (although the neighbour never actually witnessed it 1st hand)
@Robert D That's exactly what I expect of the likes of him. And she gives off that mousy vibe. That's why she got in the car when he told her to and didn't ask any questions.
Pretty ridiculous he let his fiancé go in the store to buy stuff when he’s the man and he should done that, especially when she was wearing heels and wedding casual attire. That would have avoided the whole situation for him.
Part of the problem is the access to guns these muppets have. He’s had a few drinks and gets into an altercation which ends with him firing his gun. It’s like the other guy who shot the man who pushed him over …there’s no restraint they just go for the weapon and use lethal force. Just have a scrap or a push and a shove and then get back on with your day! Why must they draw their weapon and take a life?? Madness
"Two handed takes longer - more time to think"... Most interjections are good but that one was just stupid. Anyone who owns a gun should use two hands. That's what you automatically want to do when holding a hand gun. At least in my experience. (Shoot with my cousin's step-dad, and shot some pistol during my 'manditory military training' but we mostly used rifles).
@Zelchi didn’t they pull out after he started shooting? And he still shot at the moving vehicle. If he truly felt scared, he would’ve let the vehicle go and be glad that the danger is gone, he just needed to wait for his fiancé and book it. But, no, he wasn’t scared. He was a white man who felt threatened by a black teenager playing “thug music” and decided killing him was the only solution.
@Venetta Vogel but im friends with pathological liars who believe themselves and i always know they r lying. Maybe its cause it was such a serious situation
@João Rebocho OaW I completely agree that every man is someones son. What I mean by my comment is that he believed that he had the right to take away a kids life but his own will go on to get married and live a full one. It's more-so about privilege.
@Pika ChuChu the man's insane. What I mean is that nothing in this situation would cause him to make such a connection since they were grown men and weren't accompanied by their parents. Either way, you were right, your comment makes sense given they should be about the same age as his son. I just feel it's a forceful connection to be making
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@João Rebocho OaW People with privilege usually don't make those connections. I definitely wouldn't have expected him to make it.
@João Rebocho OaW It's just a way of looking at the situation. Putting those to facts together is a way to think of it we did not all put together that way.
@João Rebocho OaW Is that true? You listen to this guy for 2 minutes and it is impossible to not know he is lying. Well, I think so. He's a terrible liar. And shooting people in the back...I mean...really there was a big division on this case? I wonder if it was racism or the way it was portrayed in the media. Both I guess.
@Addie Alexander trust me. We always feel like the truth is easy to grasp after we already know it. If you weren't watching this video already aware of the events it's very likely you'd have a harder time coming to a conclusion
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@João Rebocho OaW To an extent I agree why there would be confusion. If we didn't see the interrogation and we just saw the CCTV footage of the shooting, I think there would be very little room for doubt about whether he was right or wrong. The boys try to drive away and Michael Dunn carries on shooting. 10 shots in 3 and a half minutes. In my opinion, 3.5 minutes is a long time in this situation. In those 3.5 minutes not a single shot is fired back so I would fail to justify the 10 bullets fired into a reversing car. Seems like overkill to me.
@Nyah Senai Michael Dunn killed a 17 year old kid. The sentiment is about his privilege allowing him to think that someone else's kid is less important than his own.
It is worth noting that he was previously estranged from the son who gone married. IMO, that should be indicative of his character, obviously in addition to killing a teenager
@chris bean I was quoting the original comment. As in like imagine being this racist that he killed a black guy only bc of hatred and the loud music, thug music bs is just an excuse.
@fabbi1. im not friends with them, i hung out with them alot, in our village. 2. His lies are not convincing to u, because u know they are lies lol. How can u make such a statement? Such a 0 thought statement.
Imagine threatening a man's life because he asked you to turn your music down, and then acting surprised when he defends himself.. And then omitting in court that you threatened him and allowing him to spend the rest of his life in prison because of your omission of truth. 🤦
@Burned Edits I would, easily. If the circumstances were the exact same, and the man presented the same explanation in court, than I wouldn't even think twice to draw the same conclusion.
@Burned Edits No. I'm including things said in court and during interrogation. I'd still feel the same way. You're reaching so hard saying the guy merely wanted to kill black teens. I'm very certain that was not the case. 🤦
@Palahume Imagine shooting and killing a kid over some music and then acting surprised when you have to spend the rest of your life in prison because you took someone's life. 🤦♀️
@Pika ChuChu I can't imagine that because that's not what happened in this case.. It wasn't over "some music". It was over his life being threatened...lmfao 🤦
@Palahume Threatening a life and taking a life - two very different things. I've never had to kill someone because I felt threatened. If the kids in the car had a gun or a weapon, they would have used it as soon as Michael Dunn fired his shots. But they didn't. So who was the real threat?
@Pika ChuChu I wouldn't have shot at them either. I agree, he did take it too far. However, I'd be willing to bet that those kids really did threaten him.
@Palahume They probably did! If the tables were turned and the boys shot Michael Dunn, they would all have gone down for it too, regardless of threat or not.
@Palahume If he had felt threatened he should have called police. Instead he went back to his hotel, walked his dog and seemed to be very calm. Not the actions of someone who feels scared or victimized and that's why he's guilty and vile af
@Pika ChuChu I’m not disagreeing with the point you’ve made, however I believe the entire event — from the perpetrator pulling into the spot to him and his fiancé leaving — was three and a half minutes, while the actual shooting was six or seven seconds at most. (With a four second gap between the first six shots and the final four, as well.)
It’s that last part that’s incredibly damning in my eyes: by that point while he pauses the Durango is executing a quick J-turn and then he resumes firing at the REAR of the SUV as it’s speeding AWAY from him….
There are millions of psycho/sociopaths out there. If you would put them in a compromising situation where they had their ego contested, they too would be in a courtroom, fighting for their freedom.
He was finished after that second "volley" of shots. He had very little chance after the first set. Precisely the problem with everybody and their brothers able to walk around like the wild, wild West. Change my mind.
Seriously. When the car is leaving, like... Stop shooting. You're not a cop. You're not performing a citizen's arrest. Nobody is shooting at you. Don't recklessly and vengefully empty your clip. Ugh if these people had to wield a knife instead, you'd see much smarter fighters. One of the reasons I'm annoyed by guns in the hands of amateurs.
@Chad K but don't forget, by that point they'd also been talking about that there was no weapon and that he was already starting to go into overkill while the vehicle backed up; hitting the front passenger door as well, and nearly getting the driver in the head too. Like, he can't SEE what he's shooting, so I think the Cop wanted to try to get some humility from Dunn. I know they were trying to make him feel like a weisel, but he had ALSO fled scene & didn't get in touch with cops right away. And he ALSO didn't have an attorney present. Dunn asked for it. Dunn's one of those people who are cowards with lead. Right to bear arms, sure. But he pretty much did it all wrong. Trigger happy jerk.
@Flusterette adrinalin is one hell of a drug even trained cops who thought they shot 4 shots each actually shot 14 and 18 times respectively because of all the adrenalin
"So I shot 4 more times" "When they were fleeing?" "Yeah. And they had their heads down trying to protect themselves from the severe threat that I was presenting"
Chad K Dude you can if he’s lying, what’s he’s saying wasn’t making sense therefor they played along to his deception. Most shooters would never get out of their car. It makes no sense to be suppressive firing when they clearly had nothing resembling a gun. Let the cops mess with him a little bit, it adds pressure which is part of the interrogation technique.
@Chad K Most people would shoot through the window if they wished to hit someone attacking. IF the attacker's head is already down then they're clearly not a threat anymore. Why do you feel the need to defend the story? Even if the attacker coming out of the door and then going back in the car makes sense, the defendant had no reason to continue his "defensive" firing. Shooting at the doors of a car means you're trying to hit someone who's HIDING.
To be fair, a shotgun would mince anything from that distance. Like if there really was a barrel pointing at you, what would you do? Driving away is not an option obviously.
"hopefully the guy that I hit." I don't know if I should take this as a "I hope the guy who reached for the gun got what he deserved" or as a "hopefully no innocent people got hurt", but judging his tone...
Something that really gets me about this guy and this interrogation is the lack of remorse or guilt. If I (or practically anyone else) had shot and killed someone in self defense-even if it WAS my life vs theirs- I would be so ridiculously distraught. And this guy, whose story is entirely bs? Nothing.
Definitely. He is acting very matter of fact and confidently deliberate about his actions. I would be crying on the floor, apologizing. at least get manslaughter or something alike. His hate and pride won’t allow that though.
Dunn: the guy said he was gonna kill me! Of course his friends would corroborate with him! Detectives: we have several independent witnesses who heard the conversation Dunn: ...well I wasn't sure if i heard him...
I know what he meant by "animals". He was scared that when he went to prison, it would get out that he murdered a black teenager, and that they would fuck him up. He viewed them as animals. He hates 'that' music. He chose to get into a confrontation with a group of black teenagers over it. It doesn't take a genius to see what happened here. All I wish for America is that people would point their hatred towards the actual racist fucks like this, instead of screaming about cops simply doing their jobs.
@Todd Hårig he never said Marxism was tied to the USSR. He stated they are using the same tactics used by the Bolsheviks The founders of BLM have stated they are open Marxists
The fundamentals of Marxist are actually really good. Sad thing is anytime you've ever had them implemented onto a society it totally goes to shit. Nice idea but we've never seen it put properly into practice on a large scale of a country
Wow! These are young teenager enjoying their music! This guy is fractions! This man is in his own world! Everything is about him...he is a dangerous character! Why didn't he move? This world does not relvove around him only! This female is a yes man- woman! Q1 I
@HolyMith I appreciate this comment. There is a LOT more to it than cops just doing their jobs BUT yes, I can side with you. As a person with 3 best friends as cops, I can of course tell you about good and bad cops. Screaming at a cop is just stupid because SCREAMING AT A HUMAN WITH A GUN, just isnt smart period. LOL
@Louisiana ??? What are you trying to say? They had no prior criminal record at all, no weapons or drugs in the car....they were literally just sitting in a parking lot listening to music.
@HolyMith there are plenty of cops who act like this. See the killers of : Tamir Rice, Breonna Taylor, Philando Castille, George Floyd, Atatiana Jefferson and on and on and on and on....
The cops job is make sure the SUSPECT sees their day in court. Not to judge and execute them for potential crimes.
@HolyMith people aren't blaming cops who are out there simply trying to do their job. People are blaming the cops that think exactly like this guy does and get to actually commit murders and hide behind their badge. Cops are just people doing a job. They aren't heroes because they wear a uniform. The deification of law enforcement and military personnel in this country is a sign of creeping authoritarianism. It happens in all countries that are heading the wrong direction.
@S there's a big difference between respect and gratitude and deification. People who are willing to risk harm or death in order to protect the country deserve your respect and gratitude. Are there bad eggs who are in it for the wrong reasons? Sure. But I'm afraid the demand far outweighs the supply in that regard. People want to vilify them more often than they want to deify them.
@HolyMith I see a whole lot more blue stripe license plates than I do BLM license plates. Your idea that most people want to vilify cops is something you've made up in your mind. constant victimhood ideology is also a sign of creeping authoritarian government. Cops aren't victims and they aren't heroes and they don't deserve any more gratitude than anyone else who does a job for a living. they don't even rank in the top 20 of most dangerous jobs so I'm not sure why we should all be bending over backwards to genuflect in their presence
@HolyMith I guarantee you don't thank your local restaurant health inspector for keeping you safe....or nurses and doctors or any of the other professions dedicated to public safety. And the reason is those professions aren't authority figures. A good pct if all populations have authoritarian boot lickers, who just need a strong daddy to worship
@S You're not being objective about this at all. Health and safety workers, nurses, doctors etc have excellent protective measures but there's only so much you can do against a bullet. It's a false comparison I'm afraid. And need I again remind you that police and military deserve your respect for putting themselves in potential danger for the upholding of your own safety and interests. I didn't say you should treat them like saints, but their jobs are extremely important and sometimes dangerous so a little gratitude is appropriate. Whether people deify or vilify them more often is a matter of perception, but you shouldn't fall victim to selection bias. The media jumps all over controversial cases because they want sensationalism. You don't hear about all the times cops save someone's ass.
@HolyMith if the only reason why you bow in the presence of law enforcement and military officers is because they keep the public safe then I would ask you why you don't feel the same way about highway maintenance workers? Where's all the love for the guys in reflective tape? they die on the job at about five times the rate of police officers or military. The only goal of their job is to keep citizens safe through the proper maintenance of roads and highways. Yet I've never seen a single "back to the boys in blue" type adulation for these guys. and the only reason that is if because they don't carry guns and tell" those people" their place. And again I'll remind you that it is their job to keep the public safe. That's exactly what they get paid to do. Cops aren't working the beat because they just want everyone to be safe. That's a silly straw man argument that needs to die. They're doing a job that they get paid extremely handsomely to do. Yet you only feel the need to deify one and not the other. The only reason for that is because cops are authority figures and highway maintenance workers are not. It's pure authoritarian worship.
@HolyMith and also your comparison that nurses and doctors get protection that police don't is just silly especially considering the events of the past year. More nurses and doctors have died in the last year doing their jobs than cops have died in the last 20 years doing theirs. For you to say I'm the one not being objective is kind of ironic. I'm the one who treats everyone equally I don't give anyone the benefit of the doubt just because of the job they do. People deserve respect not job titles. That respect must always be earned...individually. I have known far too many criminals who wear a badge to just give blanket respect to the profession. and I can assure you those criminals didn't get into the job because they wanted to help people. It's because they wanted to commit crimes with impunity while also being adored by their community.
@HolyMith I guess you were a little too embarrassed about that silly response about doctors and nurses getting more protection than police do to respond. I don't blame you that was one of the dumbest things I've read in the last year. And do me a favor point me to a single Facebook page that tells us to thank every highway maintenance worker for their heroic service to our public safety. Then your point about the only reason people need to give cops gratitude is because of their public service and heroism and not simply because they're authority figures with guns who keep us "safe"
@Todd Hårig Random, no the USSR was the biggest country and economy that implemented marxism. it lasted 77 years and it was a failed experiment for a lot of reasons.
While marxism is german in origin its biggest success was being full implemented by the Russians in 1917. It is very much tied to the USSR as this philosophy would be nothing more than a footnote without it. You most likely would not know about this idea if it werent for this event unless youre also well versed in esoteric philosphy of the 19th century. While different, and a much lesser idea, Hamburgers are distinctly american, however the meal originated, and is a german meal.
@LuBu4u Mhm, very interesting. In which ways did the USSR democratize the economy for the proletariat? How did the proletariat exercise their political power?
@LuBu4u I take it you never read that article? In your own words, how did USSR citizens, the proletariat excersice their power, how did the "dictatorship of the proletariat" work in the USSR?
I mean if this was meant as a counter argument it sure speaks more for my point than it does yours.
Fun side note: Socialist republican party (Democratic socialist basically) won over the Bolsheviks in the National Assembly, the Bolsheviks didn't care and seized power.
The Bolsheviks did not gain power by popular support, they did not work for or fight for the people, they were never truly a socialist/communist party and the "War communism" that shaped their later rule was in theory supposed to be later dropped in favour of abolishing the state entirely, but i don't think anyone bought this.
@Todd Hårig Soviet democracy, or council democracy, is a political system in which the rule of the population by directly elected soviets (Russian for "council") is exercised. The councils are directly responsible to their electors and bound by their instructions using delegate model of representation. Such an imperative mandate is in contrast to a free mandate, in which the elected delegates are only responsible to their conscience. Delegates may accordingly be dismissed from their post at any time or be voted out (recall).
In a soviet democracy, voters are organized in basic units, for example the workers of a company, the inhabitants of a district, or the soldiers of a barracks. They directly send the delegates as public functionaries, which act as legislators, government and courts in one. In contrast to earlier democracy models according to John Locke and Montesquieu, there is no separation of powers. The councils are elected on several levels: At the residential and business level, delegates are sent to the local councils in plenary assemblies. In turn, these can delegate members to the next level. The system of delegation continues to the Congress of Soviets at the state level.[1] The electoral processes thus take place from the bottom upwards. The levels are usually tied to administrative levels.[2] Go away.
@LuBu4u And you still didn't read the whole article it seems. How about you go further down to the suppression of the political powers of the proletariat and any non-bolshevik parties?
Marxism was all about the dictatorship of the proletariat, often confused by a "dictatorship for the proletariat". It was also all about seizing the means of production from the owning class to the working class. Sure, the means of productions was seized, but it was never democratized and given to the people. Not that Marxism is the be all end all when it comes to Socialism but at the end of the day the Bolsheviks didn't allow for any political discourse outside of the accepted Bolshevik stances. Democratic socialists (the ones with the most popular support), anarchists, syndicalists, etc did not get to participate, the economy was not democratized.
I suggest you read up on the differences between Marxist-Leninism and Marxism. Socialism is a very confusing topic, especially if all you know about it is the 20th century states that were all born through bloodshed into a death struggle with the most powerful nation(s) on earth.
Socialism has a LOT of subcategories, most of them are democratic. Most "communist" states that have existed have still been state capitalist (another term i suggest you familiarize yourself with, the USSR and modern china are for instance accused of being state capitalist).
As to not go off topic here: My main argument from the start was that Marxism and the ideology of the USSR are not one and the same, they are not intertwined, they are not even similar in a lot of if not in most aspects. Hell, Marxism isnt' even a definitive ideology, its a set of ideas.
@Todd Hårig You asked "In which ways did the USSR democratize the economy for the proletariat?"
Its been fully answered. Youre just back peddling into "It wasnt REAL communism!" and ive already seen this song and dance. Very pretty essay though, congrats.
It hasn't since if you read the entire article you would see that it agrees with my stance, not yours.
"Youre just back peddling into "It wasnt REAL communism!" and ive already seen this song and dance. Very pretty essay though, congrats."
I'm saying Marxism and Marxist-Leninism aren't the same, which is what I have done since the beginning.
There is a difference between a Marxist Leninist and a Democratic Socialist, there is a difference between a Democratic Socialist and a Social Democrat, There is a difference between a Syndicalist and a Trade unionist. All of these however are either socialist/marxist ideologies or a at the very least a compromise.
@LuBu4u " You cannot agree or disagree when questioned "How""
What?? The original question was meant to gauge your knowledge (you had to google it and couldn't put anything into your own words, hoping that the article you never even read would be enough for you) as well as to showcase that the Bolsheviks never practiced Marxism to any meaningful extent. Any democracy that was available was for show and extremely local, in that case Feudal society was democratic too as peasants could often petition the king or local lords.
I mean there are similarities, but its still not the same. Marx did bring up the possibility of a centralized state working for and being run by the proletariat democratically. How democratic things ought to be and what is allowed to be run democratically is up to the different -isms. Lenin argued that war time communism ought not to be disrupted by factionalism and thus eroded the democratic power of the proletariat.
"If you read the article you would see how the USSR democratized the proletariat, successfully or otherwise. Youre pathetic."
I'm pathetic because im pointing out that there are differences between things that are different?
So am I pathetic if I point out that there is a difference between laissez faire capitalism and mixed market economics or Keynesian economics despite all of them being capitalist systems?
Notice how you have not made any argument on your own and have just relied on the hope that something in that article makes you sound like you have a point.
Here are some quotes that nullify that:
"After the revolution, the Bolsheviks had to defend the newly formed government in World War I and the Russian Civil War. According to some critics, many of the effects of the wars on the new Soviet government may be part of what led to the decline of soviet democracy in Russia (due to the authority the state took on in war time) and to the emergence of the bureaucratic structure that maintained much control throughout the history of the Soviet Union."
"Some believe that one key blow against soviet democracy occurred as early as March 1918, when all nineteen city soviets that were elected during the spring were disbanded in a series of Bolshevik coups d'etat because workers returned Menshevik-SR (Remember how i told you that they actually held a popular vote and that the bolsheviks lost to democratic socialists) majorities, or non-Bolshevik socialist majorities."
These paragraphs and snippets are from your link btw.
edit: btw, just realized that my original question to you was "In which ways did the USSR democratize the economy", which is not even touched upon by this article. You have been answering questions (wrongfully) that I never asked.
@LuBu4u "However, a key development in the course of soviet democracy in Russia occurred in March, 1921, with the Kronstadt rebellion. The outset of the year was marked by strikes and demonstrations - in both Moscow and Petrograd, as well as the countryside - due to discontent with the results of policies that made up war communism. The Bolsheviks, in response to the protests, enacted martial law and sent the Red Army to disperse the workers. This was followed up by mass arrests executed by the Cheka. Repression and minor concessions only temporarily quelled the discontent as Petrograd protests continued that year in March. This time the factory workers were joined by sailors stationed on the nearby island-fort of Kronstadt. Disappointed in the direction of the Bolshevik government, the rebels demanded a series of reforms including: reduction in Bolshevik priviliges, newly elected soviet councils to include socialist and anarchist groups, economic freedom for peasants and workers, dissolution of the bureaucratic governmental organs created during the civil war, and the restoration of worker rights for the working class.[18] The workers and sailors of the Kronstadt rebellion were promptly crushed by Red Army forces, with a thousand rebels killed in battle and another thousand executed the following weeks, with many more fleeing abroad and to the countryside. These events coincided with the 10th Congress of the Russian Communist Party (Bolsheviks). There, Lenin argued that the soviets and the principle of democratic centralism within the Bolshevik party still assured democracy. However, faced with support for Kronstadt within Bolshevik ranks, Lenin also issued a "temporary" ban on factions in the Russian Communist Party. This ban remained until the revolutions of 1989 and, according to some critics, made the democratic procedures within the party an empty formality, and helped Stalin to consolidate much more authority under the party. Soviets were transformed into the bureaucratic structure that existed for the rest of the history of the Soviet Union and were completely under the control of party officials and the politburo."
Interesting how Bolsheviks had to put down other Socialists due them being the wrong kind of socialists eh? Almost as if its not all one and the same.
These paragraphs and snippets are from your link btw.
In case you are too far gone to understand what the argument is here:
The French revolution was largely a failure in terms of what the original goal was and what they got. They wanted to abolish the monarchy and to abolish or at least bridge the gaps between the lower and the upper classes. Instead they got the reign of terror, Robespierre and later on an emperor who crowned himself as an absolute ruler. Does that mean that the ideals of "fraternite egalite liberte" doesn't work? Does that mean that the serfs were wrong to want to overthrow the current system? Does the failure of the French revolution to realize their goals mean that the only rightful way to rule is monarchy?
Another interesting thought experiment: How did the fact that every monarch power in Europe tried to militarily crush the revolution affect the revolutionary government? How did the fact that every Fascist and Capitalist states in the world tried to crush every almost every Communist or socialist revolution in history affect the course of these revolutions? - Not really related to the topic but it is interesting to see how armed revolution and threatening the status quo has a tendency to corrupt everything.
@Nayden Benchev I don't know if socialism is the answer or not but I do know capitalism is messed up. All you working people literally work to make me wealthy.
He cant even lie well... "i thought they had a shotgun" is the dumbest lie... shotguns are really big... he would have done better trying to say he thought a cell phone was a handgun... no one imagines a whole a$$ shotgun 🤦♀️
@John Caulfield it's so weak to immidiately taint someones derived actions as political. You don't know that we only know he is fucked up in the head regardless of his political views.
@John Caulfield Look, I understand you want to support Trump..But stop making your crowd look so bad. Not everything is Trump or political. People like you remind me of those that mention gender and race ad nauseam.
@Bill Lumbergh the odds are that that person is not someone who killed a minor in cold blood. you can also be a software dev and not have a high IQ. furthermore, IQ is a measure of how much you CAN learn, not how much you HAVE learned. having the potential to become intelligent and actually being intelligent are not the same thing.
I have watched the lengthy interview with DUNN'S neighbors. They shed tons of knowledge onto this ENTIRE investigation. Their interviews explain a lot about DUNN'S former behaviors.
If only this could have been prevented by like, I don’t know, not allowing any drunk bozo with a short temper to own a firearm. People will shoot eachother over a candybar. But freedom above all, right? God bless America.
the part that i think about the most is the witness. “heard the loud music, didn’t want to deal with it.” its that simple. michael could have just minded his own business, put up with the music for a few minutes, and went on his way. instead, he chose to murder a teenage boy. my heart breaks for the 3 other boys, who had to witness their friend being killed. rest in peace jordan davis.
Tina Barnes i usually don’t agree with black people pulling the racism card but this idiot definitely seemed to do this cuz of him being racist and not liking “thug music”. there’s a reason like stated in the video that the police put a black cop right next to the suspect too lol
Nathan Sornsovan he called them thugs repeatedly, which studies have shown to be associated with racist behavior. “Proving” racism is something that anyone could refute because you don’t know what’s going on in someone’s head, but saying race isn’t a factor is bullshit
LoL! He was thinkin "OMG, this is why I spent all that time at the range!" But that thug beat threatened to break up his thought. THUG THUG THUG THUG THUG
@Blake bro what you talking about, you here trying to shatter our racism narrative, is funny the same people who stand and outrage in every perceivable act of so call racism, wont say a word about their "brothas and sistas" killing each other in far higher rate then any of all "racists" attacks, not defending the guy, he got what he deserve, and rip to the other dud.
@Hypno_BPM So because you don't like "thug music" that makes you automatically racist? Makes zero sense. So people who don't like country music are automatically racist towards whites?
Blake my dude, first of all you’re completely strawmanning what I’m saying to fit some weird argument that I never made. All I did was point out that race was a factor. I never said that the crime would be less horrible if the victim was white, so you’re entire argument is invalid. Second of all, I think that in a societal sense, crimes fueled by racism do matter. Although we will never know how this guy would have acted had the kids been white, would it not be worrying to you at all if them being black made them more likely for him to see them as thugs? I’ve read the studies and research, the most recent one I’ve looked into shows that black men are more likely to be perceived as bigger and more menacing than white men when dressed the same and having the exact same weight, height, and build. How can you not think that race is an issue? Murder is always bad, but racism leads to hate crimes and people are more likely to be subjected to violence who are black because of preconceived notions. That’s not even going into the idea that the murder “got what he deserved” in this case, yet there are thousands of examples since black people were made equal under the law in which their cases weren’t taken as seriously and their murders (briana taylor) still are walking free without charges.
Jay Hughes studies show that white people usuallt associate words like thug with black people unfortunately. Also, he didn’t just call their music “thug”, he called the kids thugs for no reason other than I guess they played their music loudly and cursed at him for basically being a boomer😂
Nathan Sornsovan dude, it was totally racism. He had a good day and was stopping to get some more wine and some kids pulled up blaring some rap music and he was a boomer to the extreme. He called them thugs multiple times. Even when he talks about prison I have doubt when he says “these people” and “animals” he’s talking about the general population and not the overall statistic that most prisons house African Americans.
@Ash’Karra In the beginning he says "it's absurd that they would do that but, you know, they're violent." Let's call a spade a spade here. This sentence shows clear racial bias, especially when coupled with the fact that he had been told by the police that all of those kids had a clean record.
@Thatshow ED And - that's right, Thatshow - that's racist. You're weakening humanity - adapt and do better, or keep your thoughtless, racist sentiments to yourself.
Saying that this has anything to do with racism is insulting to people that are actual victims of racism. Stop trying to use the racism card on every situation that involves african american people.
If you think this had nothing to do with race, then you are probably racist. Would he feel in danger of his life if those kids were white? He probably just jumped to the conclusion that those black kids are armed and dangerous.
@Raph K Perhaps (and this is just a thought) people are disillusioned by the fact that they can be murdered, in broad daylight. for playing a song. Or buying Skittles. Or going for a jog. Or sleeping in their own bed. Just sayin'.
@jack thursby That doesn't make it thug music?? Just because some rap songs consistent of that doesn't make it thug music considering there is rap that doesn't consistent of that. That's just a subsection of Rap. Rap is a music genre. Not thug music. Unfortunately thanks to redlining a lot of black people live in poorer neighbors and have to do some not so great things to get by. And Rap is something that originated in black culture so obviously they're mostly singing their experiences. It's not "thug" music just because of that. You're activately demonizing music that belongs to a culture because they're rapping about a common experience people in poorer areas tend to experience/go through.
@Laura R Barrow Okay and there are black people that put down their own race for having darker skin. Doesn't make it any less wrong buddy. You're not disproving the fact calling it thug music is still racist. Calling rap, thug music is demonizing a culture's music and is racist.
@jack thursby I'm ignorant??? You're calling a whole music genre thug music. Rap literally is just "a type of music of African American origin in which rhythmic and usually rhyming speech is chanted to a musical accompaniment" which is it's official definition. Nowhere does it say "music that talks about being in gangs, s3lling dr*gs, ki//ing people etc." If you're rhyming and using rhythm while speaking in a faster pace than normal, it's called rapping and a song with rapping in it is rap. Calling it thug music is racist. There's no debate.
@jack thursby Wow such a good response. Try harder again next time. I educate myself and have a lot of practice in debating and I didn't know that biased media dictated definitions. Could you have a weaker argument? Seriously do some research before you call me ignorant on a subject in my own culture 💓 Nice subliminal message racist. anyway explaining why things are the way they are isn't simping for criminals but then again you're calling black people criminals after trying to say calling rap music thug music isn't racist. So...really anything you say couldn't matter less to me.
@jack thursby No, you define rap by it's definition, also I thought you weren't trying to debate with me? And I didn't I said it's a subsection of rap, and I can actually disagree with you saying it 90% of the genre because you don't have any proof of that.
@jack thursby I'm actually not mad, I have many conversations like this, it makes me happy when I get to win debates against people who don't know what they're talking about. You're not the first person to pull the "I just wanted to make you triggered ;)/😂/🤣" card. Also I don't get what trump has to do with this but trust me when I say I do not care. Biden and Trump are the same person pal.
@jack thursby I don't think they're delusions, but I do think you're kidding yourself. Yet you literally just were contributing to the debate/argument with that "90%" comment. So are you debating or not. You also were debating me but stopped once I pulled out the definition of rap/rapping and why it's racist to call it thug music. You can win a argument if your opponents have no comeback arguments/can't refute your points/give up which is what you did. I recommend you go to an actual debate class inside of taking note from Trump as well as advise you educate yourself on topics before you say things that are inaccurate.
@jack thursby whatever helps you sleep at night sir, I promise being wrong isn't so bad your ego can handle it, now see I would tell you every single one of my views but that has absolutely nothing to do with this conversation and I already know where you're going with this, you did it with the delusions you brought up for whatever reason.
@Nathan Sornsovan also he assumed that 4 black kids had to just have a gun. And by listening to music they were threatening his life....(listening to thug music he said) That... Simply put is the most racist thing I have heard.
And they were only there for a bit. The dude who was in the store even came out and they were probably ready to leave. He acted like they are going to spend 4 hours in that 7/11 parking lot.
The speakers hurt his hearing but blasting his gun 10 times didn't hurt him at all but sadly it hurt a 17 year old kid! What a piece of shit. RIP JORDAN
@Blake it only matters as to motive. Since it is over there is no reason to discuss it at all, but the reason for the discussion is that this seems to be a race related shooting. Shootings happen all the time. It is incidents like this that we discuss because of the apparent motive and defense. If they were white kids, not only do I believe it wouldnt have happened but more than that, if it did we would not be talking about it, no video would be made.
@Armor King Shootings happen all the time. It is incidents like this that we discuss because of the apparent motive and defense. If they were white kids, not only do I believe it wouldnt have happened but more than that, if it did we would not be talking about it, no video would be made.
Blake Just call this shit what it is RACIST . We know not all whites people are racist duh ! But why wouldn’t we call out someone who CLEARLY is and what CLEARLY motivated this crime . I get tired of people making excuses . Does racism existing scare you ? It shouldn’t if you don’t display the behavior.
Blake Okay if you understand 90 % of it was racially motivated then why try to downplay that fact ? I don’t think anything needs to make national television for it to be a shitty situation and for law and order to prevail. Even when it doesn’t innocent lives lost is fucked up no matter what race . You are over here creating a hypothetical situation over something that factually happened ! And what makes it hypothetical is how could we truly know if it was two white guys it wouldn’t have made the news. We are not going to sit here and act like nobody ever shows white people getting murdered and making it big . Just like when that black man killed that white kid recently that made national news ! It’s just really insensitive to these victims to worry about it getting media attention bc they were black. Shame.
Hes thinking about how to manipulate the situation but the emotions hes facing with him getting caught is too overwhelming for him to properly articulate his words in a convincing way.
The entitlement of it all. That he owns a public space and should be accommodated in it. That his being uncomfortable is so unacceptable that he justified in his warped mind, using legal force against a car full of high schoolers. I’m telling you prison isn’t enough.
@Hypno_BPM "I usually don't agree with black people pulling the racist card" does it bother you that people are actually racist? it's not a card. it happens. your comment doesn't specify the difference between those who exaggerate a situation and those that are actually racist.
@Jay Hughes but billions of people from all around the world listen to country music so what's your point? There's a very specific sub group of white folks who really, reealllllyyy despise the genre of rap/hip hop/r&b specifically because they see it as "thug" music. Lol they're just trifling busy bodies who have an insane urge to control others. Like let people listen to what they want to. Who cares?! But you'll see this phenomenon online and in real life quite often. A lot of white folks truly hate hip hop and r&b. But then turn right around listen to Christian rock about their magical non existent sky daddy being glorious.
@Raph K their country? who’s country? playing ... folk music is more American? Is specifically only “thug” music wasteland worthy? wouldn’t you say a grown man driving under the influence and shooting at cars is a downfall of civilized america?!
It cant take that long to run in and buy a bottle of wine. In and out . Surely loud music can be tolerated for 5 minutes. " live and let live" did he say? Lol what happened to that Michael's
@Allyson Moore what's the proof then? There is no pinpoint evidence of it. You can't just say its racism just because he's white and the victim was black.
@Rants N' At I don't think this man was stupid: he was a software developer--he had to be somewhat high on the intelligence curve. However, he did have a strong bias which he unfortunately acted on. Considering how "sensitive" people are about race relations these days, he should have monitored himself better--i.e., turn other cheek. Just get your wine and leave.
@rainy tee. This. This is the second time on this channel a chubby middle aged doubchey military role-play guy has started a confrontation, and then drew out a gun and pre-emptively shot the minute they felt threatened.
It's a paradox cause, the guys like this seem to hold 2 important premises at once: - my guns keep me safe in case of danger. - I always have to be prepared for the worst, and shoot if I have to.
But the issue is when walking knowing that they're safe leads them to start trouble and talk crap. Cause well, if it gets bad, they're safe, right? But they haven't ever really been in a situation like this before, it's stressful and they are terrible judges of the situation and acting on adrenaline and fear.
So given this, when they are ready to shoot if they absolutely "need" to, but then go around putting themselves In situations where they might irrationally think that they "need" to in a panic; its a recipe for disaster.
These guys can't handle stress and conflict and the minute things get difficult, they immediately use their gun, with lethal consequences. They have little regard for the lives of others nor the consequences of being a douce bag cause "well ill be okay".
@Nathan Sornsovan you’re tripping. Thug music? There’s prejudice all over that man. He saw a car full of black kids being “ignorant” and couldn’t get off on a power trip.
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@Nathan Sornsovan I think it is bro he thought cause there black I can get away with this 🤦♂️ or If I’m wrong my bad
It’s heartbreaking to think that that 17yr old boy might still be alive if he was another skin complexion. To refer to rap as “thug music” and to call yourself a victor because you murdered a child shows the narcissism and psychotic issues that lay in that man. I wonder what else he has done to innocent unsuspecting black citizens
You can really see Rhonda's remorse in the beginning of the video. Her hand is shaking as she's in court, and she's visibly upset over her involvement. To then hear her recollection of events during the interrogation videos just adds to her authenticity as a genuine human.
@Jazza BigHits Hmm you have a strange sense of right and wrong. Makes me wonder what you've done in your life where you feel you're entitled to unconditional loyalty. Do yo see a partner as a companion or an alibi?
@Jazza BigHits Dude was going to jail no matter what. He murdered an innocent kid. What would be the point for her to lie? So that she too can go to jail for perjury?
And now she’s spending his money and living the life while he rots in jail… I’m a man and I’m fine with that. Justice = served.
Be vigilante but be calm and keep your brain working. I was working as a medicine delivery driver few years back, one day i parked in an apartment parking lot in an empty non-reserved space. It was raining lightly, i was double checking the details and was about to turn off my car and get out. A young black guy in a hoodie walked up to my car and i saw him in my rear mirror that he is walking up then he tried to open the back door of my car, since my car was still running and the doors were still locked. He couldn't open twice he tried, i honked and he then looked inside at my seat and as soon as he saw me he kind of panicked, and started apologizing, he quickly went back and stood at the stairway of the building as he was before because he was waiting for someone to pick him up, i turned off the car and got out with the package and walked towards the stairs he smiled and again said i am very sorry for trying to open the car door i am getting picked up by someone i do not know which car he is bringing. I told him fair enough, gave him a fist bump and told him it's all cool. No worries. Not everyone is bad, yes there are bad people out there is every shape, color and form but always stay calm, understand and assess the situation. Reason for sharing is because it is a personal experience and this might help someone someday.
Should have just endured the music for the few moments you were parked beside the boys, instead of throwing your weight around, then you'd still be a free man.
RIP to the young man who was so senselessly murdered, because of this POS's arrogance & stupidity 💔
I’m sick to my stomach with this guy and his racism. He is sooooo guilty it makes me sick. He’s using certain terms in reference to them and being nonchalant about the one he “hit” 🥺🤨😡😠
Holy crap the channel is back up. I need to binge! Do you have a patreon or rumble channel that you can put all your videos up on? I would happily sub.
Such an evil man. Such a shame too because they seem like good kids. Have to worry about getting shot not even doing anything now. I’m glad that man is never getting out.
"They're like 'we're gonna kill you' and then they said 'you're dead, bitch!'" Seems like Mikey's been watching too much Breaking Bad -- he makes these kids sound an awful lot like a bootleg Jesse Pinkman 🥴
Anybody else felt violently angry while listening to this man try and lie his way out of essentially murdering an innocent teenager? Like , this piece of excrement legit has my blood boiling.
i used to think asking for an attorney is giving away guilt but then after watching these videos the first thing im gonna do guilty or not is ask for a lawyer lollll
yes. me too. even if innocent. ive watched other videos about police interrogation and the bottom line to retain is "the police are not your friend". But they WILL pretend like they are.
You, I've been interrogated before, 9 hours. You won't be able to talk your way out of it, even of you didn't do anything at all. But especially if you did do what you're accused of... shut your mouth and let them proove their side.
I'm not saying that you shouldn't lawyer up especially if you're innocent, but if you're guilty, and they have multiple suspects the detectives are going to make you their number one suspect. This happened in the case of serial rapist that was covered in another JCS video. Also subscribe to JCS on Patreon for a dollar a month it's worth it.
I work at Harley-Davidson, and one of my coworkers is a biker attorney, and bikers know their rights!! I was pulled over once and just went through my "assertion of rights": Officer please understand: I have the right to have an attorney present if you want to question me or conduct any search of my body or personal effects. I'm giving no consent to any type of search.
if I am under arrest: I wish to invoke and exercise my Miranda Rights. I want to speak to my attorney now, I do not want my personal property impounded, nor do I consent to any impoundment. I request the opportunity to secure my personal effects.
if I am not under arrest: please tell me immediately so that I may leave.
Sometimes you can't always trust the officers judgement, very many situations could pop up in an instant if you're not careful or if you think you know your rights, but aren't familiar with them! Hopefully this helps out someone like it helped me.
@DADDY GIRL CHANEL HINES I've also been interrogated but had my lawyer with me and told the truth. I can say the demeanor of the police was notably cautious when I introduced my lawyer before entering the interrogation room...I wasn't bothered again either.
Again, I’m struck by how guilty people think that to play innocent you have to have a reason for everything and remember each moment down to your logic and reasoning. Like, if it were a genuine panicked mistake from an actual threat, the second volley would be explained away with “I was in a panic and not thinking straight. I don’t have police training so I didn’t think to hide, I didn’t think at all, I just panicked.”
But no, he has a reason for every move he makes and notices the position of every person.
IKR In the end, the more you say, the more fodder for the prosecution. Wait for your lawyer, consult with them and refrain to answer if you're really in trouble. Who cares if it looks incriminating? They're suspicious anyway.
You know this guy deserves the guilty on all counts verdict but if he was honest about the situation said he'd been drinking made a mistake whatever he probably would have ended up with a lighter sentence
Yes but he needed to hand himself in straight away for any mitigation whatsoever. It's one of the first things the detective says to him. Fair enough, you may abscond from the immediate scene out of adrenaline and fear. But then, if you were remotely contrite, you would have to get on to the cops immediately and "walk them in" as the D put it. Frankly, I think he initially thought, "well I didn't hit anyone. Given the police caseload, if I just get out of dodge, they'll probably drop this one". But once he saw there had been a killing on the news, again, he failed to hand himself over there and then. There goes any chance at mitigation. What a dope.
@biggreenmachine2007 How did you work out his earnings? Am I right when I say some channels don't make money on YouTube so have to make it on other sites like patreon?
biggreenmachine2007 his Patreon is ONE dollar with great content. He is in a space where there isn’t much comparable content as well so it’s not all that surprising he has a dedicated group willing to spend that dollar. His earnings don’t determine if he is or isn’t underrated. For MMA fans, people really like UFC embedded, which is 100% just a rip off of “Anatomy of a Fighter”. He makes amazing content, but is drastically less known than programs like Embedded. Because he is still making a decent amount of money doing it does that make him not underrated?
have you heard "s-town" the podcast? that will curl your toes. or "my favorite murder" or "let's not meet"? all exceptionally high quality though with slightly different subject matter
This dude deserves to go to jail just for not asking for a lawyer when he first sat down with the interrogators. Then again if he did we wouldn’t be watching this on this awesome channel :D
I mean in this context you're definitely right. He's definitely in the wrong. However in a case of "ACTUAL Self defense" I think you can be the victor and the victim.
@KobzELFN he feels like he won because he killed a black kid and got away with his own life when it wasn’t in danger to begin with, and feels like a victim because he’s in police custody and not with his puppy
The man asked "are you talking to me?" as if he was DeNiro form Taxi Driver, brags about his swift handling of the gun etc. Dude goes to a shooting range and carries an unnecessarily powerful pistol that can shoot through a car door and through a human body too. This means even if he found himself in a situation of real self defence, he could shoot some kid or two standing behind a supposed attacker.
And yeah, thanks for reminding his words from the phone call. All the respect for his fiancee.
too many of these comments are talking about how brave rhonda was (and she was), but nobody mentions how those teenagers have to live with the sounds of gunfire hitting their car, watching their friend die, and then having to recount the events over and over again in front of total strangers because of an entitled, racist asshole. those kids deserve better and i hope they're getting the therapy/help they need to cope.
As I watch I'm actually annoyed by the black detective. I'm black myself any yet I can CLEARLY see that he is almost single handedly ruining this investigation by constantly refuting the defendants statement with facts. I believe the art of war instructs you to always give the enemy a way out. The MOMENT this happens you see the halt of CONVERSATION that include incriminating statements to simple replies as he sees he can't talk himself out. Even his partner's interruptions don't really help.
Why do I feel sorry for him and wished he was judged free? Am I just naive and felt for his crying? Or is it because he is white and the kids were black? Or both?
Hes basically trying to appear genuine.... while clearly suffering from a massive ego whom also owned a handgun and thought he could use it to support said ego. Hes trying to say its "unfortunate" things turned out as not "self defense" and he couldnt talk his way out of this like everything else in his life.
@Mr White you feel sorry for him because the tape is on him. If there were questioning with the kid who dieds parents, crying or the other kids in the car youd feel bad for them. And the fact of the matter is he WAS judged freely. The detectives had him talk his story and he had every chance to appear valid or genuine with how he reacted like that. They didnt start contradicting him until after he said everything. They gave him the opportunity to talk and did judge him freely. There are other videos of him threatening to kill his ex wife whom was a foreign person married for citizenship, if I recall. This is a guy who went around threatening lives and trying to intimidate people for a long time. The black teenagers were having none of it. They werent intimidated by him. So he shot them. Race should make absolutely no difference for how you feel. If you feel sorry for him its because the way he spoke to appeal to others emotions got to you. Thats what he did. He was a manipulator.
@Mr White skin color has nothing to do with it they were criminals black or white, doesn’t matter, he was wrong as well, it was a bad situation that happened to a group of people who don’t want to take responsibility for their actions
@Nun Ya In context with what he said that doesn't make sense. He said "skin color has nothing to do with it, they were criminals black or white" not "skin color has nothing to do with if...."
@Lance Handy well it wasn’t specifically focused on the firearm part believe it or not. Back then guns were actually really inefficient and were only effective when you had a massive group of people all firing a volley. A gun would have been completely useless in defending yourself if you were alone because of how inaccurate they were. It sounds more to me that the founding fathers were more concerned about the scenario of a tyrannical government forming and then being able to form a militia to combat it than in a home invasion.
Also you wouldn’t need to own a firearm to be in a militia. If you have a competent way of taking people down without a gun I think that would honestly save a lot of resources. Take the Vietcong for example, they didn’t really need to use guns to kill Americans as they could use their immediate surroundings to much greater effect.
@Rachael youd rather have a firearm then not have if you were defending yourself alone. Thats a random hypothetical situation anyway, if you were alone lol. The second amendment is a correspondence to the seizure of weapons from the colonies via king george and the british never returned them. And the right to house soldiers since it was demanded the colonies had to whenever the british so pleased. A lot of laws were directly reflective of laws that the british tried to oppose with. But how "inefficient" firearms were is so beside the point. An entire law was made around guns, so that inefficiency thing you wrote is a little invalidated. Theres not a law "right to form militias", forming militias didnt win them the war. Neither did allowing anyone to own a gun. It helped, for sure militias and owning guns helped, but it was a piece to an even bigger puzzle. When I say guns "founded" america, I'm saying its one of they key pieces. Militias are a concept that have been around since the dawn of civilization. Saying militias "founded" a country doesn't sound right. And as for what you alo wrote.... Guns were a superior weapon. They werent most effective "in a volley" because of how inaccurate they were. They did that because it was the descendant of how people used to fight in europe en masse with large groups of people in pitched battles. There were many groups of people utilizing guerilla warfare around the world and causing far more damage with a firearms than their numbers would suggest they could potentially output showing the true potential of a gun from a concealed position. It had nothing to do with how inaccurate guns were. By the time the arquebus was invented, firearms were decently reliable. They werent perfectly accurate, not until rifling came along, but youd still rather have it than not have it. And yes, militias for the most part had to arm themselves. Sure youd want as many people using whatever they could.... but lets be honest, you want them to have guns. Thats how youre going to win. Arming them with guns. I mean whats the alternative? Swords? Forks? Hatchets? Pikes? Bows? Cmon now. Thats just ridiculous.
@Lance Handy I agree mostly with you except that the entire continental army was a militia. They weren’t a country yet and why would Britain allow their problem child to form an army? No these were not trained soldiers, they were just untrained countrymen that banded together into units without many resources. So in this way, militias were the reason the US won at all.
@Lance Handy and even then, in today’s world I personally could never bring myself to buy a gun. Too much could go wrong. I’d carry a knife at the most Or maybe a non lethal weapon like a taser or stun gun
@Rachael yeah but you saying "they actually won because of militias" gives an implication that its not because of guns. They had militias for sure..... with guns. They would not have won with a militia..... without firearms. Or artillery or a leader whom understood military combat of the time. Sure they werent an army of actual soldiers, but thats because they really didnt have the time to train them to such a degree. But they did equip them. With guns. Gun control definitely was a factor in sparking the revolution. Forming militias to combat the british was esential for defnsive purposes. All that we are considering between right to bear arms and taxation without representation sparking the revolution and forming militias and organizing all that they had and could obtain to combat Britain is what obviously founded America. But to say "it was actually founded because of militias" is such a nuanced thing to say that it feels like you just want to debate. One could argue if british never try to gun control.... the colonies might not revolt. So how exactly is it wrong to say the right to bear arms didnt help found the country. Same as freedom of speech, press, religion, etc.... the bill of rights is directly relative to how and why the country was founded. Going against that is.... silly.
@Marcus Moore tell us the reasons how you came to the conclusion that they were criminals in this matter because no one understands what you’re talking about.
@CertainDeath777 America is crazy but that’s just how it’s built. The people could pretend that we don’t need guns but the people who aren’t supposed to have them will obtain them whether or not it’s legal. Those who are against them will remain defenseless. You’re basically accepting the fact that you will die or get raped or tortured and all that will be left is a man with a gun in police custody. Maybe.
@Mr White i think you might have some unconscious biases. Maybe you feel like you can identify with him, but not the teenagers in the car? Of course the video is essentially all him talking and not so much the guys in the other car, so maybe it feels more natural to empathize with him? Something to think about at least
Wow, even given shock for getting arrested this person is so cold-blooded! No concern at all for the teen who was killed! That is a basic human response. The media made this man to be a hero and the teens over violent. Instead they were obnoxious, normal, boys. This man is way too deep into himself. He needs to simply face reality. He was wrong. He needs to ask forgiveness and move on.
@Professionally Correct imagine saying something that is in the bill of rights isnt what the country is built on. The right to bear arms is also to maintain a militia and the colonies militias are exactly what helped found the country. Get rekt kid.
@Mr White You might just value white lives over black ones AND be naive of this guys intentions if you see this and feel bad for someone who couldn’t hold his temper over music and being told he has no authority when he clearly had zero authority.
@Thomas Winters if you look at countries where guns are illegal theres much much less gun crime (take britain for example, yes a shooting happened recently but multiple probably happened in america that same day)
@Mr White I think you have empathy for this guy because you have experienced something similar. It is not about race. It is about people believing they can do what they want without regard that others maybe unbalanced whether it is temporary or otherwise. All these kids had to do was have a little respect and turn their music down. They didn't, they took a risk, and one lost his life. This could happen anywhere, anytime. We as people need to behave as if everyone may have a gun.
@Lance Handy I think you are partially correct. Everyone has reached that point where you want to reach out and hurt someone, we just don't. We all need to be kind to each other, maintain respect, and act as if our every move could cause someone to shoot us. Look at the road rage . . . :-(
@Mr White Man wanted the music turned downed, they turned it down then turned it back up. Dude shot at the car to assert dominace, i won't blame him. Shouldve just kept it down and leave
@Rachael Actually the Continental Army was a professional army with the Articles of War (the precursor to the UCMJ), an officers corps, an NCO corps, and junior enlisted men.
@Vellarus the demon youtuber named "share his vision" is not here... All good youtubers go to new york and see him. They kiss his dark hand and get illuminattT power. Amen
@Mr White I understand why people reacted negatively to your comment, but it seemed like a genuine question trying to figure out why you naturally react a certain way. And also maybe seeing if you have a little bias against black people that you don’t intentionally know you have. A lot of us are probably slightly racist without ever meaning to be just because of how we were raised. Good questions to think about for sure- I think we should all work on questioning our subconscious biases.
@Rachael The Vietcong was equipped with AK-47s and M53’s (among other weapons…). What do you mean? And the Patter Infantry Rifle was accurate up to 300 yards….which is what Americans would’ve been armed with during the revolution….so yes….it was pretty accurate. AR-15s have a “max effective” range of 550 yards and it’s 2021. Accuracy distance has only increased 250 yards since the Patter Infantry Rifle. As far as “so many things can go wrong” woth owning a weapon….things only go wrong if YOU don’t know how to handle it. More people are injured with knives than with guns. You should learn how to fight with a knife if that’s your preferred weapon of self-defense. Additionally, a knife is a lethal weapon - so if your worried you may accidentally kill someone stick to your pepper spray and whistles.
Republican.... or ... Republican? Everybody's thinking it. Rittenhouse had an assault rifle. "Antifa" had a skateboard. Yeah... guns don't kill people... Anitifa neither... Sure woulda ended better if Mr. Karen didn't have that gun.
If there's anything this channel taught me its the scary amount of people out there just waiting for any excuse to commit extreme acts of violence. If it hadn't been this black kid it would have been some other later down the line that disobeyed him or insulted him. Those saying we have to walk on eggshells in case these people kill us are naive. They will always find an excuse.
So the guy just killed a black teenager for playing loud music and the best story to justify his actions, that he could come up with in 22 hours, is still full of racism. Now hes sitting in front of a black policeman, tells this story and seriously thinks he sounds reasonable? This is hard to watch in a YouTube video. That Interrogator must have nerves of steel.
I remember when this happened. Anybody from Jacksonville will tell you that the Baymeadows area is so not "hood"! I would've loved to have been able to raise my Children over there but it's a little too pricey for my budget! The schools are better and it's not much crime there! 💙May Jordan Rest In Eternal Paradise and prayers to all that are effected by his untimely stolen loss of life!💙
@MYMBA I appreciate you! Thank you for your comment! Peace and Blessings!
Edited: Jordan's Law!! Thank you, Florida! Even the Police bump their music!! We love him and so sorry that the law was established after this Baby lost his life! My Son will be 20 tomorrow...just make us all greatful for our blessings!
When people lie they seem to do it so effortlessly. Many of us have had someone lie right to our faces all the while knowing it's a lie. Very disconcerting.
This guy shoots off 10 rounds, drives off, orders a pizza, takes dog for a walk, drives home and not once did he call police. Kills a kid and says it sucks to be charged with murder. Rhonda needs to move on. All because music was loud.
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fred bloggs2022-03-21 08:54:01 (edited 2022-03-21 08:54:14 )
@Bob Frostmourne because you can’t just shoot someone and leave and not report it? Do you want to be charged with a crime? Because you will be charged with a crime.
@Joel Polowin 'Just' can also just mean to put emphasis on what follows it, as I just did in this sentence.
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Joel Polowin2022-01-09 05:46:58 (edited 2022-01-09 07:11:43 )
@Bob Frostmourne Your first use of the word in that sentence means "merely"; the second, "a tiny bit previously". Neither is merely emphasis.
Now, what @bloodrune329 wrote isn't literally true. Obviously, it's physically possible to merely drive away; that's what Dunn did, after all. One can't do so without risking serious consequences. One mustn't merely drive away. But the meaning of the original is pretty clear.
@Joel Polowin "Merely" means only... that is NOT how the word 'just' was being used in my sentence the first time. Why would anyone use a word that means 'merely' immediately after using the word 'also'?? That wouldn't make any sense.
"But the meaning of the original is pretty clear."
No, it wasn't, as evidenced by the fact that multiple people in this thread have interpreted his claim to be focused on the driving away and not at all on the reporting. Using a word with like 6 different definitions in an ambiguous way is not 'pretty clear' dude.
@bloodrune329 ...WRONG... Even if he didn't report it, he could still easily walk if it's proven he was shot at first. I have seen felons with guns not report incidents and walk. (maybe charged with illegally possessing a firearm) but the shooting declared self-defense with NO CHARGES AND DECLARED A JUSTIFIABLE SHOOTING.
@bloodrune329 Great analysis Einstein, but in ACTUAL cases these have been dismissed by the prosecuting DA as self defense with NO charges pursued. Is that "anecdotal evidence?" Now go troll someone who knows less than you...lol
@bloodrune329 No actual law basically states if someone fires a weapon at me first, I have the right to defend myself why do you think they throw out clear cut cases of self-defense and never even have a trial? Please quit embarrassing yourself and hit those law books, son
You can leave if you still fear for your life but you need to contact police right away. He obviously feared prosecution not loss of life. He was just pissed that he couldn't boss the kids around so resorted to a fire arm like a true coward.
Totally. Even if you were in a threatening environment, if you were legit in self defense you would call the cops yourself at the first opportunity when you d fled to safety EDIT: lol... i should have waited a bit. Exactly the first antagonistic question the police officer asks
@therealslimsadie ngl he does have a point, we dont know why he did that i also assume its racially motivated…. But if someone loved someone so much they probs would lie for them lol
@therealslimsadie I mean of course it is wrong because your stopping justice, but a lot of people I know will lie to save someone they care about the most, as seeing them go is worse for a partner/spouse that have a lot of importance in peoples life… dont twist what i said, i never said it was right, just said he had a point lol
@Eek and i really didn’t mean that for you personally, it was just a comment on how wrong it is for someone to pause justice, especially in a case like this. im so sorry i didnt mean for it to come off wrong!
@Eek This is not like a stealing situation...I'm sure she will lie for him in those type of situation....but a life was involved in this so she absolutely did the right and acceptable thing
@Skylar Why is my name being thrown out, i literally said its wrong because your stopping justice but its a hypothetical scenario that shows the other guy’s comment points
@Bb I'd say that, for me, the color of the skin doesn't really matter since we're all the same. But to answer you specifically I'd say that he doesn't look caucasian to me.
@Setryon N1 Im sorry dude, but if you can call this clearly compationate, humane woman a ''snake'' for realizing she married a violent monster... I have to ask you - do you have any social interactions?
@Maltina Maltina bro you need to learn to read, tf i am wrong about i clearly i said i know its wrong because your stopping justice but the other guy comment has a point
@Eek Just read the entire thread and you are despicable. Just kidding. The lack of context in everyone's responses were hilarious though.
Also, you are most definitely right. When people (to be clear, humans) get put in these high pressure situations they dont always make the right decision, or follow their own moral compass. Although in my humble opinion, this one was an uncontested layup. Easy decision. This guy is basically making her an accessory with his lies on the stand. She knew he broke the law by open firing and leaving the scene. Even if she realized in the car ride back to the hotel, or on the news the next day. Duvall County had to contact them in Brevard County. Hindsight is always 20/20.
@Isis Smith That would explain why Rhonda seemed so nervous and distressed when she was on the stand. She literally had to face her potentially abusive fiance and tell the truth to his face. If she was abused then that takes some serious guts. A lot of abuse victims struggle to come forward since they are convinced that no one will help them or that no one will believe them.
@Killbillfanaqui i do appreciate you, your like the few people on this comment who can read loool, and i 100% agree with you lol, your moral point is what this comment section doesn’t understand, and its toxic lmao :/
@therealslimsadie she was engaged to a racist. She heard that her husband killed someone because of “loud music,” & suggested they “go home.” I don’t think she’s as good of a person as everyone is making her seem
@Kevin Jabroni you’re disgusting for even saying that. she was correct for telling the truth about what happened. you need to get your morals straight my friend
@Quinn Mae "I hate that thug music" "more thugs might come for me" mentioning he heard "something something cracker", his language around them is definitely... questionable...
@Setryon N1 or maybe she was shocked that someone she was gonna marry is capable of such a thing over something so small. She could’ve been thinking it could’ve been her
@Quinn Mae The video is a fraction of the truth. He had a neighbor who told authorities he wasn't at all surprised it happened because he was violent to his spouses, talked all the time about how he hated minorities, and even asked his neighbor how to get a hit on someone.
@JK1988 what motive or benefit could she have had to tell that store? She actually had a motive to say the opposite. Not only that the evidence backs up everything she said.
@Eek Personally speaking, it doesn't matter how much I love someone if they do something horrible I'm not covering it up for them, part of loving someone is accepting they have faults and they can fuck up and if all you're doing is telling them they're perfect you're halting their growth as a person.
@Quinn Mae It must be great to be so willingly naive. Of course Dunn didn't say "I shot at them because they were black and I'm just a big old racist." . Remember how in the phone call at the beginning of the video, he called them animals? But I guess if the murder he commited doesn't show you he is a racist, you will never believe it.
@therealslimsadie plenty of people,of all shades and religions,lie for their loved ones,to keep them out of prison.If you think they don’t,then you are very naive.
@Elk Femur She's a nurse which makes her a healer as Jesus is GOoD but in her case, she was an enabler of hate which is evil. This hate crime was her wake up call.
She'd be an idiot to lie either way. There was already multiple witnesses. Her lying would only get her into trouble. As it is I'm surprised she wasn't brought up on charges for leaving the scene, not immediately calling police, etc.
Why? You're proud of her for doing the BARE MINIMUM of what was required to this country? If I was her, he would never hear a word from me again, except in the courtroom.
Imagine the guilt too, it was her idea to stop for the wine. She probably blames herself, especially with the idea that they were in an abusive relationship.
She knows he shot at a car, but proceeds to just go back to the hotel? No thought to leave him. In the morning she knows he killed someone with those shots and just wants to go home? No thought to leave and call the police? Only until she is confronted by police does she decide to talk? BS, she was complicit, and decides to save her own skin by appearing to cooperate and be law abiding.
You can tell Rohnda feels soooo guilty when she didn’t have anything to do with it. She feels responsible for wanting to stop for wine, we’re as Mike seems emotionless and careless about killing the kid.
Though TBH I think it's for the best (for her, obviously not for the kid) - she still has time to rebuild her life while this psycho was volatile the entire time, he'd snap someday so not only she'd suffer way more if she'd been his wife for 10-20 years and that happened or if he'd actually snap at her.
I can't even imagine how terrible she feels. She spoke out against someone she loved. During the events she probably felt so scared, confused, and alone. She didn't do anything wrong, those kids didn't do anything wrong. No one in this situation deserves what they go other then the racist, shitty, old fuck that took someone's life over some music
@B T Well if you're done, why assume something in the style of a question before you say you're done? Are you not going to give me an opportunity to answer it?
ashleelmb it’s a brand new concept called a “rhetorical question.” It’s what you use when you don’t respect someone enough to give a shit about their answer.
@Noelia how was my argument a strawman? Their second comment (which you might not be able to see anymore because it got downvoted so much) was saying that the music they were listening to displayed their attitudes and in turn meant that they were dangerous and deserved to be shot. I simply said that if he believes that then it must go for all kids who listen to rap. I did not distort or misrepresent their argument, I took exactly what they said to a larger scale because they also said in that comment they were proud of being racist.
@Noelia the fact remains that I didn’t distort their argument, I used exactly what they said and applied it to all kids to try and make them see how terrible it was. If you want to pick apart my verbiage to discredit my point, go ahead. But all your doing is making an admitted racist feel better about saying that black kids deserve to be killed for being normal teenagers. Is that what you want?
@Noelia I’m absolutely not doing it with you. I told you the what the result of what you’re doing is and legitimately asked if you if that is what you want. I assumed nothing for you. You act as if you are not allowed to ask questions in a discussion. Do you think it is exaggeration to say that telling someone to not entertain an opposing argument validates them?
its so crazy every time the officer brings up the fact that the kid is dead he doesn't even comment on it at all, he's and idiot and Rohnda is brave for telling the truth
@Elp Smith Oh, you were being sarcastic? Well there's no need to be rude. I hope any partner you have in the future can look past your imperfections and you can be happy. :)
@Elp Smith I'm not being sarcastic, I genuinely hope that you (and everyone in these comments) is able to find a partner who is loyal and loves them. Regardless, you're entitled to your opinion on the matter (and of me). Take it easy dude :)
I don't think so. I think she was just traumatized by the fact that she loved and almost married a totally sick and disgusting man who had the violent potential of spontaneously committing a cold-blooded murder in front of her and she was obviously afraid for her life as she testified against him as one of the most crucial witnesses, not knowing for sure how long he'll be locked up (if at all). That's a terrible situation for her: Either she decides to support her fiancee and takes the huge risk of being convicted as a partner in a serious crime, including false testimony etc. or she decides to be honest and takes the huge risk of eventually getting murdered by this man (who is obviously capable of doing that) as an act of revenge. And that's far more terrible than believing, that you are in some abstract way complicit in murdering a victim, that - let's be honest - you almost know nothing about and can't really relate to (in her case)
I see her concern in that singular moment as more of a fear that she's coming off as a drunk in a court of law. After tossing a few back, its still not enough and she needs to get more wine after the party. I think that particular scene upset her because she feels her character is going to be questioned as not being respectable, and possibly even not reliable.
@TJ you're probably right, yeah. Maybe even both a little bit... But god damn, if you can't get fucking smashed on the day of your (step)sons wedding, I don't know when you could at all.
@TJ That's an interesting thought, actually. Tbh, about halfway through the video I already completely forgot about all the events that led to the 'victor' parking next to the victim. Maybe you and Potato Fury are really onto something here. I can very well imagine, that she was already drunk and repeatedly demanded from her fiancee in an aggressive tone to pull over at the nearest store where she could get more alcohol. And maybe that annoyed him to the point where loud 'thug-music' would be enough to go totally berserk, although (of course) that wouldn't excuse his behavior even in the slightest bit. But it could be an indication, that she really felt either ashamed (your theory) and/or partly responsible (Potato's theory) because of what she had done prior to the crime. And we don't even know if HE was intoxicated, do we? Gosh, I thought after watching this video, there are no (important) questions left to be asked, but apparently I just didn't pay enough attention to the details...
Idk I don’t feel sympathetic to a person who has just been told their fiancé just shot multiple times at a car full of people and didn’t think to call the police? Or even sympathize with the guy, even when she just found out he murdered an innocent boy! It’s sick
@Mackenzie Kohlhorst are you really gonna call the cops when a murderer is sitting next to you especially as a woman who is weaker psychically. Unless she stayed in the store and the store owner called the police then maybe.
@Chad K Where do you get the idea it's fake? That some people, particularly women and children, when scared, unconsciously make themselves smaller and quieter? Some women, in particular, talk this way all the time based on their background, trying not to take up too much space or call attention to themselves. Believe me, it's not fake. It's a self-protection strategy. A lot of women have to train themselves not to talk like that, to be more assertive just to sound "normal." If you've never run across anyone in your life like that before you likely will at some point if you're paying attention.
marocstars well I don’t think I’d be getting in the car with a murdered no, he told her before they got into the car that he had fired his gun. Idk it’s just common sense to me.
Peter Parker I think it’s both. At first she probably felt guilt but once shock wore off she realized it was all him. Cause remember she didn’t see any of it
@Mackenzie Kohlhorst charges should be placed on both of them. She knew he did this yet left the seen. She did nothing to contact police. She is an adult and should be held accountable. No one forced her into his car note prevented her from doing the correct thing.
@Chad K I'm glad that you explained that you're just talking about some women 🧐😁 One of my brothers had a gf like that, fortunately he left her and escaped to travel the world a few years ago. Some women can definitely be manipulative, as some men can be of course, and those types of people spit in the face of true victims. I think we need to give fake victims tough sentences, and we need to do it before they turn into Jodi Arias! Edit: to be clear I don't know if this woman is being manipulative or not, I fully blame her husband in this case.
You kinda notice something about this guy pretty quick. Like he doesn't process things around him quite correctly. You get a sense that he's constantly concerned with being viewed as cool, and competent maybe. I don't know, but there's just something off behind his eyes. So that makes me wonder about her.. I'd say, from what's in the video. Whatever is going on with his head it can flare up to make him dangerous, and unpredictable. He shouldn't be out in charge of himself. I don't think his girlfriend merits much more than a good chewing out for not gathering the courage to figure out what happened herself. She might not be a strong thinker, or maybe has other issues. Maybe not. I don't think there's enough here to assume she was hollering him into the parking lot. Pretty likely he served her a bill of goods to downplay the situation once they left the scene though.
You feel bad for a woman that saw the news and told him to leave instead of calling the cops (which she could’ve done herself instead of eating a whole pizza with him and go to sleep) or instead of suggest to drive him to the police station instead? She had many options, many!
@Chad K You don't know for certain if it's an "act", she looks genuinely terrified to me. You can't say "women" as if referring to all women, just because "some women" do that. I don't know if you've ever been a victim of manipulation and false accusations and I'm sorry if you have but that doesn't mean you can go painting every person black because of your view. Hate breeds hate. What this lady exhibits is a normal response when someone is traumatised and scared, men are just as capable to be deceptive and play the victim just like women are, look at how Michael Dunn displayed human emotions when he thought about the love of his life (most likely because she was the perfect spouse for narcissistic supply so really he's crying for himself because he's about to lose that..but that's another topic). Really, we should just be grateful that she served her part in the justice for that young boy, she told the detectives everything she recalled and her statements helped execute the case. So before you spit venom at people, remember, you don't know them, their story and where they came from.....I mean you wouldn't shoot someone because you THOUGHT they had a shotgun would you?..don't be that guy, no one likes that guy.
@Chad K He's her fiance, she's been living with this guy for many years and fucking loves him, would you rather believe his story or that he just murdered some random innocent kids for no reason? Do you know something called love? It changes your way of thinking. I completely agree with you when it comes to women acting like the victims. I've seen this my entire fucking life, I'm well aware how they do it and how to see through it. After a while you learn how to read people. And I'm fucking sure of one thing, she's literally an angel who's been manipulated by a narcissistic disgusting trash human being. She's one of those nurses that will smile genuinely and ask you 50 times if everything is ok, cus she means it.
When it comes to her voice, she's just like that, narcissists find "small" and weak people to manipulate easyli. It's how it works. Why? because they are innocent and loving people, they don't see they are getting manipulated cus they don't even believe that is a possibility.
And for the other guys, no she doesn't fear him taking revenge, nor she fears being seen as a drunk. It's a natural emotion when you lose something you loved until that moment, which is her entire life, that is falling apart in front of her. She also blames herself for stopping there just to get a single bottle of wine (to end an amazing day so far in a relaxing way).
If you wanna blame someone, blame it on the narcissistic racist pig who escalated everything cus of his fucking ego. If this happened to one of you some day and people insulted you, blamed you, claimed you were guilty, while you were completely innocent, you wouldn't be happy about it.
Well, had she not wanted to indulge in alcohol, it wouldn't have happened. Furthermore, she was driving around with a man who was drinking and driving, so yes, it is partially her fault.
@Chad K Considering she wasn't up for the role of victim (except as a close call for almost marrying this creep) and she was the one who told the truth without basing it on opinion, what's your point? I stand by my earlier statement. A person's voice often changes when they're scared. Training and practice can help. Talking to police, talking at a trial, public talking in general are fairly universal things that make people nervous. You don't think cops know the difference?
@Peter Parker And she testified against him. And that testimony (he claimed he mentioned her several times the kids had a shotgun, but she denied that) could have been what convinced the jury that he was lying.
@Praevasc Yeah, she definitely played a key role in this whole trial. No camera footage and no additional eye-witnesses, besides the friends of the victim who would (theoretically) have very good reasons to lie about the alleged "shotgun"/"stick"
Rhonda's bravery in saying he never mentioned a weapon of any kind is unfathomable. Speaking truth against your loved one to honor the unrighteous murder of a child seems like the obvious action, but I believe she walked the narrow path here and I commend her for upholding justice.
im confused. It's unfathomable and she said he never mentioned a gun (which is siding with the ex is it not)? and then you commend her? IS there a typo or am I brain dead lol
@TheBMan I can't remember exactly, but I THOUGHT she was telling the judge/jury that he never mentioned HIS gun, even though he said he told her about it. It sounded like she testified against her fiance, which would have been a hard thing to do. If that's not what happened, then I am actually the one who is confused. I'll watch this again and see if I can figure out what's going on and if I need to rescind my commendation.
@TheBMan 55:15 is when the part I'm referring to starts, ending at 57:22. Micheal refuses to state how many times he told Rhonda the kid he shot had a gun, saying "if I told her, I told her in the car at the hotel and on the drive home." When pressed he said at least once, and when pressed again defended himself saying "You weren't there." No doubt a tactic of his attorney. Then when Rhonda was asked, multiple times, if he had mentioned them having a gun, she said "No" everytime, meaning she testified that he never told her they had a gun, and he weakly testified that he probably told her at least once they had a gun. It's in his favor to convince the jury they had a gun so it looks like self defense. It is not in his favor for his fiancee to repeatedly say he never told her they had a gun, especially if he says he did. So yeah, as far as I can tell, she testified against him, and I'd say good on her for that.
Right I praise her also for that and she should acknowledge that the simple fact of buying a bottle of wine helped her save her life and future imagine sparing your life w such a horrible inhuman being, Best,
I'm watching this for the first time- and she was so brave and honest. I started crying for her. She also tried to tell him stop "talking" on the jail phone which made sense-but she did not take sides-you could tell she was struggling with all of this, trying to support him, but not the murder!! Brave lady as I too believe that was a burden to carry- But she must count her blessings that she did not end up with this total loser.
some idiot2020-09-29 09:55:52 (edited 2020-09-29 09:59:13 )
xZed oh thank god you're here to tell people how they should verbalize their feelings. please tell us an alternative word you would have used without sounding pretentious, o great one
but yeah. op, you're right. that kind of bravery is unfathomable. especially considering dunn's history with women. i hope and pray for nothing but rhonda and the victims' families to find peace after all this. they were all tossed into a fatal and traumatic situation bc of one racist man. for her to go against her fiancé's testimony when it was very likely he could have been acquitted/released, is very brave. if dunn was willing to kill over loud trap music, god knows how he could have retaliated against her for providing testimony that conflicted against his
@some idiot you're correct. She really was putting herself at risk with what she said, but she stood with justice and that honored that poor boy who was murdered and his grieving family.
Luke Freeman2020-09-29 22:20:44 (edited 2020-09-29 22:21:08 )
@The Bringer of Salt I thought I heard them say the boy who died was 17. Perhaps I'm mistaken. Regardless of his age though, he was young and his parents lost a child. Even if he were a young man, the sentiment holds.
@ra Can I ask you why you are questioning her character? I can only speculate as to your reasoning, whether it be simply out of fairness, or a feeling that maybe she was lying, but what confuses me is why you'd be trying to highlight these possible flaws. Her testimony against her fiancee was to his detriment. Additionally, like I said before, the truth she told - the one about him never telling her about the kid having a gun - helped bring him to conviction, by proving he explicitly lied to the prosecution about having told her that they did pull a weapon on him. So, please, tell me, why try and soil her character, and to what end? Do you think Micheal Dunn was justified? Innocent even? If so, what proof to the contrary of the final ruling do you have? Please, enlighten me.
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Luke Freeman2020-10-01 20:15:24 (edited 2020-10-01 20:16:54 )
@ra True enough. There is definitely always a possibility she is lying. I don't like or dislike her personally. I don't know her. It only seems her testimony was honest, more honest than his. But your statement does stand, "She might be lying."
And yeah she made a mistake by not immediately calling the cops or forcing him to stay there after shooting and possibly killing someone. She failed at that. She was probably scared and that's not a good reason, but it doesn't take away from the fact that she testified against him.
Now the contention... WHY would she lie and say he never said they had a gun? Especially when that lie HURTS her fiancee. Presumably she'd want to protect him. Why lie to hurt her fiancee? Because she wanted him in jail because she hates him? Your reasoning that "it could be a lie" is sound, irrefutable even, but you have failed to speculate whyyyyy she would lie to put her fiancee in jail. Consider that her lie brought justice too, because it did. It helped to jail him. That's what I'm asking. WHY did she lie? To what end?
@ra Now that... That was a damn good response. You must be a lawyer, or a psychologist or something, because that was some seriously well thought out and beleiveable mental gymnastics. Well said.
Obviously I still would commend her but I may now add the statement "even if she was just trying to get back at him for something". Even then I would only say that because no weapon of any kind was ever found. Not that there wasn't a weapon, to be fair - I know you'll insist there is no way we can ever be sure that there was no weapon - but only going of the evidence presented in court that no weapon was recovered in or around the crime scene.
But, yeah, ra, you presented your case well, thorough, and without resorting to personal insult as is rampant in YouTube comments sections. So yeah, I tip my hat to you.
@ra But isn't that the beauty of the system? Innocent until proven guilty, protecting the guilty and innocnet alike.
You seem like the kind of person that would find the one criminal who actually was innocent and defend them on some technicality, save their life, literally, and then years later the actually culprit would be caught and justify your defense. It could be epic.
@ra Well I am certainly no expert on the law or the system nor have I looked at the numbers but that is certainly a pretty hard stance to take. More power to you though. I just don't know enough to make the decision myself. I've never really known any one personally who was convicted without good evidence. I had an older cousin sentenced for crimes he admitted to, and I had cousin's husband (still in trial) who murdered my cousin and their two children in a drug induced rage who is definitely guilty though his lawyer is looking to get his sentence reduved for the fact that he was not of sound mind. (The case is that of Oscar Daniel Espinoza of California if you're interested in looking it up.) So my view is biased anecdotally for having worked in favor of the innocent for all cases I know of personally.
@ra That's fair. Mob mentality is like a virus and rarely beneficial. You are right. For example, I imagine if I we're Micheal's brother, I'd feel he were justified fully in his actions.
She's not brave she's simply saying the truth she wasn't threatened there was no cost to tell the truth to her and tbh when a child gets murdered the least you can do is give up the actual criminal especially if he's a racist
@Mynamesjamildude The truth isn't always easy to tell even when it's obvious. This woman was obviously scared, anybody who sees her can easily tell that. I see no reason for you to be so calous with her. She could very well fear for her life.
Besides, in my life I've realized people usually revert to something called tribalism, which is where they tend to defend those they know and have allegiance to in one form or another. Individual who overcome this are exhibiting a rare and honorable trait, which is allegiance to the truth, and should be commended for that.
Lastly, the crime isn't worse because the man is a racist. It's 100% evil because he's a murderer and killed a child. If the death had been of a a child of any ethnicity, it would have been equally as tragic, he would have been equally as evil, and his fiancee's testimony would have been equally as brave.
Child? Come now. If that "child" had done the murder your government would want to try him as an adult.
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Luke Freeman2020-10-05 23:34:09 (edited 2020-10-05 23:34:53 )
@Dáithi O'Cinnsealach A child is legally anyone under the age of 18 where he was killed. Also, as a culture, so long as that person retains their innocence we still generally consider them to be a child at that age in the United States. If, however, a child commits a heinous act of murder or some other similarly gruesome crime , they can, under certain circumstances, indeed be tried as an adult because they have lost that sense of innocence, culturally speaking. It could have been that their innocence was stripped from them against their will by a cruel parent or adult in their life, or it could have been something within them that stripped it off of them, but until the innocence is gone, yes, in the United States of America we allow murdered minors to be called children. I'm sorry if that is offensive to you, I can't imagine why, but, if you must, by all means, call him an adult. I can't see how it makes the atrocities committed against his person or the aftermath left to his grieving parents any better, but if it makes you feel better, call him an adult. It looks bad on you, but its your prerogative and I won't judge you for it.
In a weird way though, you sort of turned this around on the victim somehow, for some unascertainable reason, which, to me is kind of disgusting, but you may have a good reason for doing so. So I'd like to offer you a chance to extrapolate a bit on why it's so bad to call a 17 year murder victim a "child." And no I'm not being facetious, I'd really like to know your reasoning.
@Luke Freeman the idea of when a human becomes an adult is a tricky one and up until last century was usually in the lower teens. It's now in the upper teens. 17 is some ways an adult and in some ways a man. I'm only pointing out that in this case everyone wants to emphasize that he was a child. Which is usually reserved for young humans. I find it hard to call a 17 year old a child and they don't like it themselves. I know legally it's such and such, but legally a lot of stuff is bullshit.
@Dáithi O'Cinnsealach I get the legally part, and I would agree that the line is blurry, especially since in other western countries, as well as many other parts of the world, the age of adulthood is currently and historically much lower than 18. That being said, the maturation of modern Americans has actually been shown to be slowing down due to a change in society as a whole. It's not one thing that is determining this shift, but some examples might include increased difficulty of personal financial security for young adults due to increasing economic burden, urbanizing lifestyles leading to decreased need to fend for oneself (less dependency on oneself with an expectation that things will be provided to you in a modernized society), and a generally feeling that it's ok to nurture your children later in life. All of these things are for better or worse and I wouldn't argue in favor or against any of them, I only bring up these points in an attempt to explain that it's not this boys fault that he lives in a country with an unusually high age threshold for considering one an adult, and, for all intents and purposes, he was still a child (I was definitely just a child at the age of 17 due to all these factors and I had already lost a parent and had to act more mature as a result). So considering all that, and considering I'm a parent myself and I would still view my teenage son as a child, I thinks it's ok to call this boy, in this scenario a child, and it definitely makes no sense to insist he is not one.
Seriously, holy shit She was so pained having to give such damning testimony but knew it was the right thing to do, for the sake of that poor kids family and not perjure herself
lol I love how the american people still believe that the justice system is an actual thing that exists. It may work on the general public thats correct. But anyone thats a cop or a government offical is above the law & can virtually do whatever they want. From killing men,women,children, all sorts of different ethnic groups you name it. I pity those that have to live over there.
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Luke Freeman2020-10-07 22:57:54 (edited 2020-10-07 22:58:48 )
@Klaus Kinski The American justice system works as well as other western countries and better than in virtually all developing countries. Does it have corruption? Yes, but all justice systems do. France is free of corruption? Britain? Canada? You're implying none of those countries suffer from individuals who would use the system for themselves against its intended purpose? That's nonsense, and naive.
Saying something cynical that has a grain of truth and with a "lol" tacked on doesn't make you right nor does it make anyone who may disagree with you, or attempt to argue against your point immediately wrong. It main gain you some troll cred, which I can appreciate, but mostly it makes you look like a spoiled brat.
What is also interesting to me is that if I, as an American, were to make a blanket statement about all citizens in a specific foreign country, such as you just did, about how they are all wrong about something, it would likely cause other people to view me as a "Nationalist" or even a "racist" if it were about a country with an ethnic demographic dissimilar to the USA. Yet somehow you feel as though you are immune to this effect. I'm not sure why you would, whether it be because you believe you're in the majority of people who dislike the United States for one reason or another, or just because you don't care what people think about you, but, I can assure you, I for one think it's riduliculous. You are of course entitled to your opinion, but maybe in the future, you could try to do just that, express something debatable as your opinion and not a fact that's so laughably obvious that anyone who may disagree with you is surely a moron.
Antonieta Sicsik yeah but if it was me, I’d think that my idea of buying a bottle of wine in a round about way also cost a 17 yr. old kid his life, and because of the POS I’m engaged to, I would feel an incredible amount of guilt. If I was her I don’t know if I could live with that kind of guilt. Maybe it’s cause I have a Jewish mother and that’s Jewish guilt talking, but I would feel a certain amount of insurmountable bystander responsibility if I was her. Like “why didn’t I just skip a bottle of wine, I was already buzzed”😢
I Remember in highschool i had a friend who fingergun shot an old lady while we were driving. He turned to me and asked "what would you do?" And i said, "call the police and probably tell them you've gone crazy." He seemed visibly insulted by that. To shorten the story we don't talk anymore.
Yeah really. Not only is it hard to testify against a loved one, but I would fear for my life if he ever got out of jail given that's he's proven to murder out of anger.
@Dáithi O'Cinnsealach Yes, unfortunately it would, and that's a terrible thing. Were I in a position of power, judicial and sentencing reform would be my passionate cause, or one of them. In fact, this country needs an entire overhaul of our carceral system. We have learned how the human brain isn't fully formed until one is in his or her mid twenties or even closer to 30. The prefrontal cortex, the part of our brain responsible for logic, reasoning, and impulse control, undergoes drastic changes in adolescence. Thus, I believe juveniles should be tried as juveniles, not as adults, regardless of the crime.
@La_Ru0921 The complaint is that trying to rehabilitate the dregs of society is a drain on the system the productive members are keeping afloat. They think it's unfair. But then no one asked to be born and bred in the dregs. Surely they deserve a chance? Maybe. Maybe not. Depends on one's view, and there is no way to determine which is right, always struggling with a balance.
I hate to burst the image of good people in the world but: She was truthful because she already gave multiple testimonies to police and would've committed perjury be saying otherwise at the trial. She too would've ended up in jail for trying to protect him.
The guy is a real narcissistic man to not even try to prepare her to lie for him during the night of the murder. If he had any less faith in his ability to convince people of whatever he wanted to convince them, he would've made sure she was ready to give a corroborating story to the police, when the time came.
Don Diddy you don’t know that she told the truth though. And why does it even matter? The defendant has to prove that he killed out of fear and not out of rage. What do you think happened? It WAS fear. Can you prove something so subjective as fear? It’s a feeling! And I believe him. He might have not said anything to Rhonda about seeing a gun because he didn’t need to PROVE Rhonda that he wanted to protect her: she already knew that. He should have called a lawyer right away and even so, he would have probably been convicted. The shooter will always be convicted no matter what. There’s no right to protect yourself in this country - even if someone broke into your home at night! Well in similar scenario the guy never had a gun he intended to kill you gently by suffocating you. And maybe he just hoped you weren’t home. If your shoot you will end up in jail, the right to bear arms ain’t going to save you. And it’s sad that we live in a world like this, where you must PROVE you are afraid for your and your partners life. Really?. What would you do? I mean you are confronted by 5 menacing loud teenagers, right in your face, do you have any chance of overpowering them?. No way. This is the stuff they write in the papers - about this sort of stuff happening at the gas station. If I saw/heard people like this I would be running, driving away, blasting off!
I believe she told the truth because she was afraid for herself. She did not want to chance getting in trouble for lying about for her murdering fiancé and seeing herself possibly in prison as hell.
@James Volk I think she probably did, she just knew how stupid she was for talking with the police. They both were. He just hadn't accepted how stupid it was yet.
Because she's a decent human being that felt compelled to do the right thing, even though she hated doing it. That pie e of shit should really feel like shit for putting her through that.
@Akoyash yes it is. And it's not even relevant if it's a small amount or not. One drinking session does not indicate alcoholism. Getting drunk doesn't make someone an alcoholic. If that is hard to understand then I'm not sure what to say.
@lukemanius it doesn’t matter if she was/is or an alcoholic or not. Substance misuse/abuse does not make someone a bad person. She told the truth even if it was against some she loved. Her alcohol use is irrelevant and I do not think your comment has anything constructive to add to this thread.
Also he dumb for even putting her in that situation. Like how dare him think that she would lie about something so horrible and important. A life is forever gone his whole blood line is gone. And he over ordering pizza or being on the stand about to cry for his dam DOG!! No shame
She was madly in love with a racist, what’s that say about her? I don’t even have bigoted friends let alone spend the rest of my life with one. Just saying.....
Miss Viking ??? What are you on about? This guy pulled into that space and instigated this whole confrontation. I have been annoyed by teenagers with loud music...I just roll my eyes and carryon.
Miss Viking I’d normally try and present a counter argument here but there is literally an entire hour long video including police procedure, multimedia evidence and a grand jury trial. Whether you believe a person or not is irrelevant, your opinions must be based on the evidence presented to you. That is such a fundamental aspect of law that I can’t quite grasp how it has passed you by...
@Irish Jester I was just about to say this. If we could kill people just because we were afraid then there would be dead bodies everywhere in this country. Hell my mom was legit TERRIFIED of clowns with big feet, doesn't mean she can walk into a kids birthday party and start shootin the poor guy.
@Stephen Grigg for real back in my drinking days I would have hit that open bar for at least 10 beers, 5 or 6 mixed drinks, and a couple of shots. No problem.
Respect for Rhonda. She told the truth instead protecting her asshole future husband who she loved even knowing he's going to jail. That takes courage. True humanity in her soul.
yeh this was my main thought, she was so brave and did the right thing even where many people wouldn’t. called out his lies even in court when he was present.
dunn had a history of being abusive in relationships so it’s also so good for her that she didn’t get hurt or killed too.
@Exploring Creations right? this should be the rule in every situation. But we live in a almost entire pshycopatic society, so we are much more used to see the loveones to cover the criminal faults and traits (even if this are not consider a crime per se, but an ethical crimal instead)
I adore my husband but I would not lie to protect him if he murdered someone. To do so is an abhorrent disregard for human life. I admire for her honesty but anything less makes you equally culpable in the victims families pain.
I'm sure Rhonda is currently in a much healthier relationship now. No doubt her letters and phone calls to Michael have become less and less frequent, and soon they will be non-existent.
@Sol he has a history of being abusive to his partner. And that's not hard to see; her extreme timid behavior, her not engaging in what hes saying, she seems terrified of him when he's angry and violent.
Trying to act as if what she did wasn't brave and took a lot of guts is being woefully ignorant of the situation she was in. Do you think battered partners aren't brave when they finally stand up to their abuser?
There is always more to a story that makes it nuanced. To make a sweeping statement, implying that she doesn't deserve the praise is just mean.
I think a more plausible explanation is that Rhonda was terrified that she might be an accessory to murder. I'm sure she was told that lying under oath could have dire consequences.
@Q Alba what are you talking about? The dude wasn't drunk off, what, 2 rum&cokes? O doubt both of them would've been fine with someone drunk behind the wheel.
He didn't save her life he put it in immediate jeopardy
@kinnoyu IDK what your talking about cause I've never said that, I said absolutely the opposite. As a person that have being abuse all of my life from family and partners, I certanly have respect for her, and that's what my comment says. So all of that belong to your interpretation and judgment about my comment that was not written in the comment itself.
@Q Alba well, Let's supouse he was drunk. So he souldn't be driving drunk at the very begining. She didn't betrayed him, she just said the truth, even if that means that he has to spend time in jail, even if she love him, she said the truth. It can be not respectful for you, but hey that's ok! it's your opinion, not mine.
@Exploring Creations Idk the spouses stick with and protect their monster partners very often. I grew up in churches and 2 of them had child molester preachers and both their wives stayed with them and protected them. So for me I was so relieved when I heard she told the truth and it made me respect her more.
@Exploring Creations society has fallen? You say that like people haven't been lying to authorities to protect themselves or their kin since the dawn of civilization.
@Jacker cooper yeah normal people can admit when they're wrong, but suppressing the feeling that you're in the wrong and not being able to ever let yourself be wrong by lying and shifting the blame is classic narcissism. Being wrong is too damaging to their fragile egos and it sends them into a rage so they make a false reality
@Jacker cooper Lol, I doubt it. But being undiagnosed ain't the checkmate you think it is, bud. A clinical diagnosis of NPD is exceedingly rare because the nature of the personality disorder prevents those individuals suffering from it to seeking treatment.
@jumpinjohnnyruss The point isn't thinking you are the villain, the point is taking responsibility for your actions and in this case, shooting someone dead, you are by default, the villain.
There are many red flags in this story that prove narcissistic behavior.
Teen angers got on my nerves when I was a teen ager but he should have known that they would be hard on him because he was a grown man and should know that teens talk shit when they are in group. His best bet would have been to just roll up his window and listen to some all radio or hurry his girlfriend up. Especially since they did not threaten him.
………my question would have been: “why did he wait so long to do it?”
@MaTilda D'Hum xoxo Exactly. It's not like they had just all moved in next door ffs. 2 minutes, that is it and him and his missus would've been driving away and each party would've forgot the other existed in a heartbeat.
I used to live with a narcissist. It is incredible how they twist events to suit their position as the victim. They are always the victim, never ever the cause of a problem.
Narcissism is so the catchword of the moment. I'm inclined to lean towards psychopathy actually. His tone is flat, even throughout his statement. He can't even feign the emotional reactions you or I would be displaying.
@CtrlALlTerrorS I don't use it because it's a "catch word", I use it because he fits the definition. Narcissists don't have to feign emotions or speak with tone to be narcissists. There is a phrase about narcissists which is literally "always the victor or the victim, never the villain". It's a state of mind and attitude, it's also a huge lacking of self-awareness, an abnormally large sense of self-importance and lacking empathy, which could explain his nonchalant and emotionless behavior. Though, I do agree psychopathy is for sure a part of it! As that and narcissism typically aren't mutually exclusive. They both actually have a psychological concept in common called "The dark triad."
@ambi_cc The more educated people are on them, they won't. This guy certainly didn't win and it's no wonder the narc population in prison is 30+%. Good, it's where they belong away from others so they don't do any more damage....save for other narcs.
@Brian Cannon don't confuse narcissism with being egotistical. Those are two different things and the difference is often the amount and intensity of that characteristic which is why there is a distinction in the first place.
@Yovanii Red I mean isolation IS actually awful to us people. Many people during the pandemic who don't life with their family or friends learned about that and isolation cells are awful and inn my opinion a form of torture but I would lie if the thought of:" You couldn't handle being with yourself because you had to confront your own awfulness and horrible action." didn't slip my mind.
It just made me made that he still found excuses in his head during that time instead of confronting, confirming, accepting and changing his awful actions. But that's what happens if you don't get guide through those thought prozesses.
In any case I'm less worried about him than the friends and family of the person he killed. The only reason I think about his murdered more is because he's the focus of this documentary because that's the focus of this channel. Any help should go to the relatives and friends of the victims first before this dough bag of a murderer
@Mutato I've met people who admitted they were abusers and did wrong, grew and became better. They still did mistakes and had setbacks no one should have to endure but they were honest and continued to work on it until they didn't hurt anyone anymore through their tendencies. Obviously they didn't kill anyone but yeah those people exist but I agree that nearly no one would do that when they are investigated on trail.
@A Tsylor tell me, what would've happened, if those 4 "innocent kids" talked the same way, to another set of similar "4 innocent kids"? That's right, same result, but they wouldn't, as it would've been an expected outcome.
@A Tsylor What I said is factual. They were disrespectful and racist. I never said they deserved to be killed or shot at. Bottom line is that if everyone treated everyone with respect, this would have never happened. Doesn't make it justified, but the truth is the truth.
Edit add - I also agree with you that the guy is scared of his own shadow. He's also garbage.
@Madeline Brewer if you verbally assault and threating to kill somebody for a simple request of putting your music down, be prepared to pay the same price you're threatening with.
@dushas There is no proof any of them ever said a word about killing him. The evidence is 3/1 on that
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Stuart Hamilton2021-06-04 20:24:08 (edited 2021-06-04 20:32:53 )
It's the fear of the unknown, probably has no close black friends and he's scared of what he doesn't know, that or he's just a racist who thought he could get away with it and I think his lack of remorse tells us which one that is!
Either way the result is yet another tragic needless death!
@Hard31337 but that isn’t their fault. If a girl gets dragged off the street and raped, you don’t say “she was wearing a short dress”. Whether or not you’re excusing it, people will assume you are because otherwise you wouldn’t point it out. Were they disrespectful? Maybe. But why point it out?
Man when i see people i can instantly know when someone was never in a lick of trouble. Oh right i can't, Because if someone wants to harm you , you would never know until the very moment.
I understand the first volley of shots , they make sense if the explanation was "they were getting out of the car and i went for my gun" . But there is no excuse for the second volley, There was no way to make up a favorable story from that point on.
@Hayley Exactly man! I live right near where this shit went down (in fact the shooter stopped in my town overnight after the shooting) and it’s so frustrating hearing my white friends calling every single other black kid who plays black music or has dreadlocks a “thug”. And they wonder why these stupid shootings happen
@dushas playing loud music and swearing at a grumpy old dude isn't a "thug", nor does it justify a death sentence. You have a very warped view of morality.
@dushas conservative propoganda has made you think people with a certain aesthetic are all the same, that they're all criminals. The victims of this crime had no criminal records and were just being annoying teenagers. Trying to justify this murder by forcing them into your manufactured idea of a criminal is morally abhorrent.
@dushas I like your kind has to imagine the other guys threatening to kill him to justify your own thoughts process lol it’s adorable you have such an overactive imagination
@dushas legally, this is inaccurate. You cannot plead self defense from a verbal threat. The weapon used must be of equal or lesser force. (PS it’s also illegal to carry a firearm while intoxicated in the slightest) why are we defending this racist.
@Rolo LOL you might wanna rewatch that clip you sent me, he's not saying "oh he said kill him." As a fact. He's stating how unlikely it is that he would say that with no weapon and not leaving the car, especially since no one can corroborate
@Kokichi Shares I'm not saying they were actually planning on killing him... I'm neither saying that Micheal Dunn had the right to take a shot either...let alone fire 10 shots
@Rolo Nah they just say the guy called him a cracker and that other unbiased witness reports in the parking lot contradict his, I can timestamp if it helps
@Ikari hey we get a he'll if w lot wrong that I can't argue with and you can use Aus as an example if you prefer.
Still clear facts show that since Port Arthur in Aus and Dunblane in the UK guns have been banned in both countries. Since they the number of mass shootings has been 0!
So while UK may be far from perfect I think we can pretty confidently say we have got this one right the Aussies too and whoever else has banned the stupid things IMO!
@dushas ignoring the fact that the witnesses at the scene said they didn't hear any threats from the victims, a teenager VERBALLY threatening you still isn't a death sentence, and doesn't justify "self defense" with lethal force.
He could've pulled the gun and aimed it at them. That would still be wrong, but far better than this. The irrationality of the escalation is the issue.
This dude probably had preconceived assumptions about young black men and it cost lives and his freedom.
@Hard31337 bro stop trying to look at this from “both sides”... there is only one side. That man is evil and has such a strong sense of entitlement that he thinks he has the right to kill people because they simply annoyed him with their music.
@Rolo I’m not saying that either, I’m saying that no one in that car said that, there was no threats. He was cussed out but that’s it. He is the only one saying that they threatened his life.
@YourStepMother I'm gonna believe a common sense, that dude is what 60? Somehow he managed to survive to that age and not go on a murder rampage, so what suddenly changed? What's different in this case? He never seen black dudes blasting music in a car prior to this day? Nobody was ever rude to him? Or maybe, nobody ever threatened to kill him? Which is more likely?
@dushas you think it's more likely that a bunch of kids with no prior record threatened to kill him and also had a gun despite witness accounts saying otherwise, and no evidence of a gun? Even man's wife said he didn't bring up the gun to her at all. And he also didn't call the police. Based off of this, it's pretty easy to assume he thought nobody would catch him, and when they did, he made up the gun and made up the threats.
@YourStepMother I believe it's more likely that a man that lived to his 60-s without prior similar incidents, had a reason why he suddenly resorted to firing a gun, than I believe that "clean record" of said, bunch of "kids", having a "clean record" at 17 means literally nothing. From what have been given it was reasonable to assume that those "kids" next step after their shit talk would be violence of unknown level, and him assuming they had fire arms is not unreasonable either, given their behavior and a country they're living in. And I'm not saying what that old fart did was the right thing to do, old fart got scared shitless and did a cowardly act, but don't paint here fairytales of poor innocent "kids" assaulted for no reason. None of this would've happened if they weren't behaving like animals.
@dushas He wouldn't have even started the conversation if he wasnt armed. He had his security blanket, and used it, thinking he would get away with it. And yes, victim blaming is victim blaming. There's no evidence of any aggression from the teens. Their behavior is absolutely irrelevant in this case since it included nothing threatening. You're still saying, "she shouldn't have been wearing that."
@A Tsylor Yeah, guns should only be used as an absolute last resort. If someone has a knife or weapon and they are coming at you you should use it but not if some teenagers are arguing with you.
@Nathan Miller when they proceeded to shit talk the old fart after he asked them to tone down the music. The fact that they were threatening him comes from his testimony, and is common sense, dude that made it to his 60-s without prior similar incident, don't just goes on a shooting rampage without a reason. You're trying to dispute them being "harmless kids" when the very first witness says that he didn't park near them cause he was scared of them.
@dushas Theres no evidence of aggression from them. No independent witnesses corroborated his bs. He never claimed any of that to his gf, only after being interrogated. It's obviously a lie to save his own skin. The only reason to believe him is personal bias.
@Nathan Miller uhuh, 60 years old guy, with a clean record suddenly decides to shoot innocent kids doing nothing. I'm sorry but you guys are delusional. There's always a motive, nothing is done without a reason. You want world to be black and white, but both parties are at fault her for what happened, one side is dead the other is in prison for life, all of which could've been avoided if either side showed restraint.
@dushas everything you said about those teens was disproven. Everything the man said was proven to be a lie. Going against what eyewitness testimonies and the man's own fiance had to say because of someone's age is ridiculous.
@YourStepMother have we watched the same video? The only thing that was proven is that they didn't have a gun. And as the cop himself said, even if they had a water pistol this would've changed everything.
@dushas Why do you keep claiming the man is in his 60's when it's literally stated at the start of the video that he's in his 40's? You're trying really hard to frame this guy as a senile old man who was about to be attacked when there's literally no proof of this other than the word of a man who's trying not to go to prison for murder.
Why didn't he call the police after they ran if they were coming after him to kill him? Why did he continue to fire at the car while it was driving away? Why didn't the guy he shot with the first 4 rounds he fired and hit in the heart die in the street if he only shot when he exited the car? Why didn't he tell his wife that they had a gun and were about to kill him? Why didn't any of the other witnesses hear them say they were going to kill him or see the teenagers exit the car? Why was his neighbor not surprised by his actions and stated that Michael's ex-wives (that's fucking plural by the way) would come to his house and tell him that Michael was abusive and would beat them? The same neighbor who stated that Michael was arrogant, controlling, and an aggressive man. Why does common sense say to deny all of this and believe the guy who's trying to save his own ass?
I don’t think he’s trying very hard at all. He doesn’t strike me as the kind of person who’s had to try very hard to do anything in life, except maybe to pee.
@dushas it’s crazy how hard you’re siding with this racist murderer. To the point where you don’t even trust that the cops did their jobs correctly in putting this guy in jail.
@dushas I hear white rich suburban boys listen to rap all the time (they love it). Yet they are never considered thugs. So it’s very clear to see what sets those boys apart from the “thugs” you’re referring to
@Pika Pika I don't think they are ever going to favor evidence over personal bias. According to them, witness statements are wrong because 60 year olds can't snap. Never happens. Impossible. Lmao
@vivian Kuang the thing is, where I live it's only white kids, since there is no blacks here at all. And they are indeed considered thugs, and there are multiple occasions when those "kids" end up killing people that look at them wrong way, animals go wild when they feel they can get away with it. The fact that you mix their race in to the discussion only means that you are in fact racist.
When it’s a clip of him on trail towards the end I got the feeling that those things he made up they were saying was actually what he was thinking in his own mind “I’m gonna kill these mf’ers”
I worked in this neighborhood at the time, was on duty when this went down. It's not a good neighborhood, drug dealers and prostitutes galore, but regular people too. It's a hard neighborhood. I have no doubt they did start talking shit to this guy, just like I have no doubt he didn't "politely" ask then to turn down their music. They could have been trying to intimidate him, but when you start throwing rounds, then reposition to continue firing, and then they don't have a gun? Sounds more like anger then fear.
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Markus Greenidge2021-06-08 15:26:13 (edited 2021-06-08 15:26:49 )
@Lokey Odinson yeaaa...i am a high school teacher at an inner-city school here in Los Angeles. There's no justification for what he did, even IF the kids mouthed off to him. Do you know how many kids have mouthed off to me in a classroom setting, some in a threatening manner? If i had a gun, would I unload a clip into the teenage kid that got into my face? It's absurd that anyone would justify this. I am not saying you are, but to give the "caveat" of..."well i worked in these neighborhoods" doesn't mean anything in a court of law.
@Sam Makin I mean, the narrative for her at the time was that her fiance fired off a few rounds to scare off some hoodlums. She was also under the influence of alcohol. I can hardly hold her choices that night against her.
See legally wives aren’t forced to testify against their husbands, but she’s not married to him yet so legally she’s a witness and needs to tell them what she knows.
She's a good woman. It must be hard because she probably has called her own judgement in men/people into question. I've dealt with the same thing but in a much less intense manner than my fiance having killed a teenager in cold blood and then lying about it. I hope she's made it through the years and I hope she knows that loving people isn't wrong and neither is she. All the best to Rhonda ❤️
@Sam Makin she was being told her fiance was about to be killed and protected himself. He seems like an incredibley awful, empathy- less, insensitive, manipulative bastard. Emphasis on manipulative. Now, I do agree that she very well should've done something either way, but I'm sure considering this dude's temper, he wouldn't deal with being blamed by his finance very well.
@John R Marital communications privilege Neither spouse can be compelled to testify as to private, confidential communications between them in either criminal or civil proceedings. But, only communications that the spouses intend to be, and maintain as confidential are protected.
@John R also no disrespect in any capacity brother and or sister but using an episode of tv to debunk something as a myth from tv isn’t the best defense an example from real life is much better.
Yeah I cant fault her for not immediately challenging his narrative or calling the cops. Guys like him don't usually take kindly to the word "no", and most of these guys are legit domestic abusers so I don't think it's a good idea to confront them.
@Pugachev's Kobra i read up on it and two ex wives of his said that he was abusive and violent towards them, along with a former neighbor saying he wasn't surprised by his actions
@Benjamin Matheny Watched the whole thing, I never seen that this was a narrative. She was buying booze and then after hearing the shots, she left with them.
He legitimately thought that the cops would just brush this incident under the rug using the same terminology as police use during a use of force statement/. "I couldn't see his hands" and "he made sudden movements." Sorry dude, that only works with law enforcement ON THE JOB, not your ass.
“The last thing I’m looking for is trouble” as he pulls into a gas station in a city he doesn’t live in and asks a teens minding their own business to turn their music down and proceeds to pull holes in their vehicle as their retreating
Trust me, I think it is very annoying and inconsiderate when people play their music loud, but I could NEVER imagine wanting to kill someone over something so trivial. Why not take the route of the first guy and just not park next to them or just deal with it for a few minutes and leave? Like there were so many other choices this guy could have made. This is what happens when people think they have a right to play god. The fact that he has no remorse is so disgusting.
When the video started, I imagined these were neighbors who played loud Music all the time and the guy got fed up... But then it was kids in a parking lot. They could get away from them and possibly never see them again. The guy killed someone and wasted his own life for nothing
@goodwill lover You do get middle-aged people who see all of that generation as thugs, or who see certain behaviour (loud music, handing round on the street, tattoos etc.) as the mark of a thug. There may be a racist element, there probably is, but he may also have taken the same attitude against a bunch of white working class kids.
I bet he blasted music when he was a teenager. There was only one kid who was outside of the care t a l k i n g to him and they weren’t even grown men (if they were grown they still wouldn’t have been a threat in any capacity but, what could a normal teenage boy do to a grown man?).
It's not inconsiderate to play loud music. The fact that yt ppl feel that entitled that anything they don't like is inconsiderate. I mean how about u just mind ur own business. Who cares what other ppl do. U don't like loud music. Don't listen to loud music. Wow. So simple eh.
@goodwill lover how is thug a racist word? I’m not saying it can’t stem from racist thoughts but the word thug in no way implies someone is black or any other color for that matter.
@Ana Hernandez Christ, that is pretty dumb. It is inconsiderate to play loud music when others are around who don’t want to listen…especially if it’s so loud it’s painful. That’s why we have laws designed to prevent disturbing the peace.
It wasn’t the loud music. It was the rap (thug) music. Because if it was his favorite song they would have had a sing-a-long in the parking lot with zero issues
@Ana Hernandez yes, it is. No one likes it when people blast music above 50 volume in a car. At around 25-30, you can already hear it from outside the car, so imagine listening to things on 100. People have preferences and opinions on things but I’m sure that a majority don’t appreciate it if they hear loud things while trying to, somewhat, enjoy their private time with loved ones or even by themselves.
TLDR; we’re trying to have a little rest but people that play music unnecessarily loud are completely disregarding how it would impact everyone else
My neighbors play hard music all the time. I work overnight, come home in the morning, mid-day, that's when they want to play they music. They are white, and I'm black. Imagine harming these people because of their lourd music, while I'm trying to get some sleep. I hate these people listening to these loud music,but I won't do nothing stupid. Just move on and leave.
He parked next to them because he wanted na confrontation. The witness did what any reasonable person would have done, parked a few spots down. But he chose to park right next to the car full of black kids blasting music. He knew exactly what he was doing.
The amount of people doing mental gymnastics & jumping through hoops to prove this guy isn't racist, despite his own words & deeds & the testimonials of the people who knew him stating that he was undeniably racist, don't realize that they themselves are being racist, & it's quite interesting to me.
@quinn.e ☽ u wanna enjoy private peaceful time with ur family stay home. Thats the only place ur guaranteed peace and quiet. The world doesn't have to be quiet to make u comfortable.
@Ana Hernandez actually it is illegal in most areas in the US, but the decibel level allowed is different depending on where you live. Try researching noise ordinances.
That said, doubtful the music was really loud enough to be illegal.
"Do I need a lawyer? Sounds like that I'm in deep shit!" "Nay...it's a bit too late for this now basically. I mean do what ever you want bruv. It's your time innit?" Even if I would know that I"m innocent I would never ever talk to them without a Lawyer I trust. Especially not in a situation like that.
It's interesting that he would insist on self defence when he clearly created the situation and then fired his gun at the suv that was trying to escape. Idiot. His gf saying "i know" to his comment "i dont like that thug music"... He was obviously looking for trouble any time the opportunity presented itself.
Literally who tells people who are not going to see each other again in their life at a gas station to turn off their music. The type of narcissism u have to have imo to think people care about ur feeling or opinion at a gas station baffles me. His voice also rlly annoys me
This is what a massive ego will get you, 10 seconds of stupidity for a life in prison🤦🏻♂️ the fiancé is a real good person, she seems quiet and as if she was under his thumb, I wouldn’t be surprised if he was severely abusive, he seems like the narcissistic type, playing the victim, absolutely zero remorse. He’s only sorry because he got caught, rip to the young man who was killed, the other young black men seem very well spoken and intelligent, not like the young thugs he made them out to be.
Loud music is fucking annoying yeah but how long was he going to be there? 5 minutes? What's the point? I'd understand risking confrontation if it's coming from an apartment next door but a car you'll never see again in a matter of minutes? Mind boggling. It's clear he had some fantasy of self defense and saw this as an opportunity to live it out.
"Who reached down and picked it up?" "Well hopefully is the guy I hit.."
Did I hear correctly.. 😮
That man seems to be narcissist and I would not be surprised if he would also be a man using domestic violance.. So that poor woman is lucky to have gotten rid of him before it would be too late.
Unbelievable! I go regularly to gas stations - in particular a QT where this place is LARGE. And there are people there that are going to put in something loud(I don’t consider some to be music). Who THE HELL ARE YOU TO TELL SOMEONE ELSE TO TURN DOWN THEIR MUSIC or whatever when YOURE THE ONE THAT CAME UP AFTER THEM!!?? BESIDES ITS A FREE COUNTRY - why didn’t this guy park SOMEWHERE ELSE!!?? Wow, you shoot at people over loud music!!
He is clearly a nasty man but I’m going to say Those 4 or 5 rum a cokes at the wedding just cost him his life. People don’t realize how much a few drinks can effect them.
the way he paints himself like some kind of main character from an action movie in the interrogation and the trial is so gross... hes literally the stereotype of the narcissistic gun happy american man
I still don’t understand why a seemingly “normal” man would want to kill obviously young men over rap music. Even if a confrontation broke out it’s not enough to justify what he did. What the hell happened in his head to make him take his gun out and unload it.
These videos reinforce that our RIGHT to have an attorney present is so important, even if you believe you did nothing wrong or your actions were justifiable. Asking for an attorney before answering questions may make you feel like you look guilty, but its actually very smart and essential and it is your right, not privilege. And these videos of these guys drawing guns and shooting prematurely is really disturbing. Our society is filled with guys who think they’re tough because they have a gun, but when they face even the hint of a confrontation they draw and just start shooting. Maybe if they got in a few actual fistfights when they were a kid they wouldn’t be so wimpy and quick to shoot someone. Who knows. In any case, it should be a reminder to everyone not to fire a weapon unless you are absolutely certain that you are in danger.
“I didn’t know i would be arrested. That sucks.” You know what else sucks? Finding out your seventeen year old child has been killed and his friends shot at for a petty argument. Finding out that a grown man made the decision to fire on children. That does suck.
Not a second of remorse for the boy... only busy with himself. You know there are awfull people in the world, still it battles me to see them in real life
Found it especially nasty that he only said he was sorry it turned out the way it did when he found out what exactly he was being charged with. Did they press him to find out if it was racially motivated ?
@Manolo Volkov You missed the facetiousness of my comment. I never argued against either of the two propositions you have outlined. Indeed, you only reinforce my point. Stupidity or intelligence has little to do with a person's eligibility for the big house.
What the cop said that the teen couldnt have killed him because he was unarmed is invalid and not the thought process when you are in the moment. Is the guy guilty, yes he is, but when you are confronted with a group of guys or any group for that matter and you are on your own and you are in the middle of a confrontation where verbal profanities are exchanged, there would be no need to have any weapons in the car with the teens as the individual would still feel threatened even if that person is armed. The simple reason is when you are outnumbered you will always feel defensive regardless who has a weapon. The teens could all have jumped out of the car and pounced on this guy even without a weapon so the cops point is void, saying the teen couldnt have killed him because he was unarmed.
As soon as I noticed car full of young loud kids, I'd get the hell out of there. He should've stayed quiet in the car n get out of there with his girlfriend. That's what I would've did. Whole thing avoidable I think 🤔
He was only supposed to be there a few mins while his fiancée got some wine and he couldn’t just let people be whilst he waited. He does not value human life and this kid lost his life for nothing. He’s also taken a child from his parents/family and traumatised 3 other teens for life. All for nothing.
Exactly what i was thinking, all she was doing was getting a bottle of wine.. just a few minutes and he couldn't just deal with the music for a few minutes. Oh well he made his choice. Sad that someone had to die 😔
@[?] Question Block exactly, he made his choice and I hope it haunts him every day. I can’t imagine pulling up next to a car and telling other people what to do to suit me, especially when it’s not hurting anyone.
@Adam Thompson No, we should set an example and say that we will NOT take anyones life, we will be the better people. No one has the right to take a life, certainly not the government, which is basically a corporate mafia. If you can show me data that shows that the death penalty reduces crime then go ahead.
@Adam Thompson taxpayers money is being wasted regardless. The death penalty is just more costly due to the court fees and the cost of jailing them until the date comes.
@Joseph there is no crime in middle eastern countries because if u kill , they chop ur head off . If u steal , they chop ur hand off. Nobady gona risk it
@Pia and your point on tax payers. You claim it would get wasted regardless so just waste more right? Cause who cares. Having him killed will not bring justice to anything. Not even for his family. They’ll have to live with that. Like I said. Death is his salvation. He wants to die, probably even or most likely this moment right now and every second after. No communication to the outside world. No friends there. His thoughts will consume him soon. And he will suffer and realize it was only him and no one else that caused this. And no one cares about him anymore.
well, why is this man under trial? A software engineer, big brain man, taken from his freedom for 4 lowlifes good at nothing at they are as they are? Well done America, well done.
Continue to defend the 'usual suspects" and nothing will remain out of your country. You see the signs already. You want to be defiant and disrespectful? well, then you deserve it.
you can tell she's used to not speaking back, gotten used to receving bs without commenting on it. the way she describes him hating "thug music" and her just going "i know" like wow i could see it in her face.
@Adam Thompson capitial punishment is actually quite expensive the government has to give a massive bonus to the prisons for it, plus the years on death row it's about as expensive as a life sentence
This case could have easily turned out differently if he lawyered up. Though he does deserve to be in prison. That guy was too excited to use his Glock. Sad af.
Wow when he said that one of these guys picked some from the ground and the detective asked wich one pick it up, and he said: hopefully the one that I hit!!! I mean are you serious?? that’s hurt even I don’t know that young man R.I.P
How many times have we heard trained police officers say "I thought he had a gun" after they gunned down some unarmed kid, and not only got away with it, but got a paid vacation while their fellow officers figured out how to blame the victim? I'm not saying this guy is innocent, but I'd love to see a cop's interrogation after such a shooting... of course we know those never happen...
@Alex Andra that is disgusting. I don’t know if I want to cry or vomit. There are plenty of men out there who aren’t child murderers and they go for the one they know it is?
@Annaliese Teschler A single-shot shotgun. Fool thinks he's a gun expert. He doesn't know he's talking about a type of shotgun people don't carry around.
he got himself some pizza though after killing that kid.. that pizza was probably good asf.. he probably kicked his feet up.. sipped his wine enjoyed the pizza and watched himself on TV.
@sui generis well look at the way he showed up at the POLICE STATION.. He was dressed as though he was headed to a luau after attending to his situation.
He is disrespectful and vulgar at the same time.
His family must be extremely proud of his theatrical performance for the DETECTIVE INTEGRATING HIM.
What's weird is this is all just a few miles from where I grew up. Literally just down the road. Wasn't expecting to see my neighborhood when I was a kid in one of these videos.
He said the door opened yet when he shot he shot thru the door , they didn’t sit before they pulled off so there would be no time time for them to close the door . He shot THRUUUU IT . How ?
I didn't realise instantly that in his story the door was open at that point with the guy not behind it anymore so a second later I was like 'damn that officer was quick with that one, nice'
The irony of the call where he states, "You know, they're violent." They're violent?!?! Says the man who fired 8 shots into barely college aged kids car. Poor babies! I listened to loud music 🎶 at that age. Absurdly loud. You're young. Music is part of your identity and you think everyone should know who you are. I'm so glad he hung himself in interrogation. Although I felt he was deeply dislikable even on the stand. Rhonda acts like a battered wife. He ruined so many lives. He misses his puppy though so set him free.
@Mike Jones There's nothing I believe more than a random far right troll starting a post with "I'm black, and this killing of a child for listening to music is actually good"
@Lee Devitt He is a very sick egotistical man with violence right under his veneer. I wonder what other violent incidents he was involved in previously.
@Shaxx How? Taking a life needlessly is never a victorious thing. If he was a victim, it was all in his head. He showed no remorse, even after finding out they were kids. Loud music annoys me at times, but ... come on...really?
@Speedy Lose what is the question. He used a gun against children for no reason. They were less than half his age and he couldn't display the slightest bit of maturity? He should've controlled his liquor, his prejudice, and his downright disregard for human life (whatever age they looked like to him). Victor? I think not 👨⚖
51:00 If things are starting to escalate or you feel uncomfortable, you could've just left. Move your car away from there's, go get your fiance and leave the gas station. Loud music? Move your car. A guy says "fuck you", move your car. Guys says "I should kill you", move your car. If at any point you start fearing for your life, remove yourself from the situation.
will all that alcohol he drank he was always going to be a menace to himself and others.his fiancee should take some of the blame. plus easy access to guns and you have a situation totally out of control.
I was living in Jacksonville when this happened. The most shocking thing is that his demeanor and way of answering questions doesn't change after he was told that the victim was unarmed. That would have rattled anybody and made them doubt themselves, even if they were able to later rationalize it. He already knew that boy didn't have a gun.
@ChickenIsGood There's no way you could have watched the hour long video or researched the case and still think that Dunn thought the poor boy had a gun. I know JCS didn't dive into witness testimony, but a neutral witness heard Dunn say "You aren't going to talk to me like that." This was a man who felt disrespected, and his response was to kill.
Thank God the witnesses took down his license plate. They probably would’ve found them with the video surveillance of her at the cash register as well.
the poor fiance probably internalizes this as her fault, because she had the idea to pull up to the gas station. seeing her hand shaking while she gave her oath was unbelievably sad :(
@cookie22100 Nobody says they don't feel guilty for the victim... But that doesn't mean their life is the only one impacted. Imagine those other kids in the car who have to live with the memory of their friend dying in their arms, or indeed this kind lady whose life got thrown upside down. If someone you love(d) and respect(ed) ever commits a terrible crime you'll know how this lady feels. It's not something you get over. It's something you carry with you for life.
@Thanh Nguyen She encouraged him to flee the scene of the crime, and when the cops caught them before they could get out of the state, she rolled over on him and said everything she could to remove her culpability. That doesn't sound like a good person. Fight or flight response is exactly that. A response. She was never put in a threatening situation other than the threat of going to prison for being an accessory to murder.
@cookie22100 Well that's unnecessarily insensitive. That's like getting in a car accident and someone dies and you say "well you didn't die so stop crying". This was a traumatic experience for everyone involved and it will be a heavy burden to carry
@cookie22100 fine, but if you can’t see how your original comment could be seen as discrediting the fiancé’s experience in this context, then I don’t know what to tell ya
@JoeNoobie He reportedly was abusive and controlling to her and previous women he had relationships with. She may have feared for her own life, and just wanted to get through the situation to a moment when she felt safe.
JoeNoobie what culpability? She was in the store. She didn’t even know he had shot and killed someone when he left the scene of the crime. She found out the next morning. You’re judging her based on her reaction in that moment?
@JoeNoobie its almost like people don't want to go to prison for retarded crimes they didn't commit and wouldnt want to have committed. Yet her cooperating with the state makes her somehow a bad person
Too many fears of scenes from Boys in the hood. Clear example of white fear and how he doesn't get emotional until he talks about his wife. I've seen that many times with psychopathic murders.
So many people literally give up their rights the second they talk to these detectives. In Mikes case, he thought he was such a good bullshitter. But, ended up not being able to remember all the bullshit he was spewing. Mr “Victor” didn’t seem all that victorious in that interrogation room now did he !
Unbelievably it never occurred to him that he was being charged. Thank god this guy is put away. He was a danger. RIP to the victim. The poor mother and his friends must be traumatized.
I think some people don't know how long they have to wait for a lawyer.. And are society today is.. I want it now, easily tempted and sometimes bad self control.. So not knowing how long he might have to be in jail for before he can talks to a lawyer, he rather get it over with now and bullshit his way threw then be scared of the unknown. To be honest it's better to be scared then talk to the police no matter what you're in trouble for lol.
I would say that this case have some things common with the Drejka case. Bc both man had a gun and both wanted to finally use the gun. But not with empty cans of cola, they both wanted living target. And both chose Afroamerican man. Both were racists. And both said it was self defence. And i just want to say big complain to the wife, bc some women playing stupid or they lie for their man. She was honest from the jump. She not even tried to lie.
Such a sad story, 3 young black teens who were only guilty of being rude teenagers ending up on the wrong end of a gun . Prayer to the victim and the families affected .
He shot at these kids 10 times because he did not like them talking back about their music. I think the most surprising part in all of this is they didn’t even shoot back. This reckless action could’ve had way more consequences 🙏🏾 for the victim and his loved ones
The kind of lady his fiancé is, she’s probably going to blame herself for the rest of her life, thinking it never would’ve happened if they didn’t stop for wine. That’s a burden she shouldn’t have to live with.
yes. I also think she feels responsible and/or guilty for being with a man with clear "beliefs" like this. you can tell she doesn't stand for that shit and doesn't want anyone to think she does.
@Bigby B you’re absolutely right. Plus, WE can’t change anyone. That person has to want that themselves. But I hope she knows that it’s very clear and we all see she isn’t anything like her bigoted ass ex-fiancé. What’s even sadder is SHES feeling the trauma & regret that HE isn’t. After he literally murdered a whole TEENAGER! Disgusting
Not to derail the focus away from the responsibility that her fiance holds, but let's not forget that this woman did not call the police when she knew he had shot at a car, she did not call the police when she found out that he had killed a 17 year old, she suggested that they just drive home. Not exactly the behaviour I'd expect from a compassionate harmless woman :/
@Landon That’s true, I mean, all we’re dealing with is conjecture, for all we know, she would’ve never called the cops had they not found them, and that’s morally reprehensible.
But honestly, if that was true, I couldn’t justify it, but I’d still understand where she’d be coming from, sometimes people are just conflicted between doing the right thing & protecting their loved ones even though it would be the wrong decision to make. It’s human nature.
My point was sometimes things people do affect their loved ones more than they affect the people themselves, & as a man, the guy should’ve known the trauma his actions would cause his to be wife, he’s a stain on manhood.
@Landon that is true. She did the right thing by being honest after the fact but she didn't call the police. Well, one last night with her man may be what she needed then. Can't imagine wanting to sleep next to a murderer but hey....
@Yours Truly yeah I agree. The whole thing of her being honest with the police now though throws me off a little. I can't help but think she realized how screwed they were when the police actually came looking for them that she decided to make sure he went down without her. It could've just been poor judgement in the moment or lack of understanding that stopped her from calling the police, but I'm not entirely convinced that there isn't some acting going on.
@Imani Dominguez - Women think they can change a man, it is prevalent all over the World and probably will be until the Earth dies, if that ever happens.
@Nun Ya I don’t disagree with you but it’s not just women who think that. The same way you have men who think they can take a woman who belong to the streets and make her a wife. People think they can change people. It’s not a gendered issue. It’s a HUMAN issue. 🤷🏽♀️
@Matt Turner discovering a video/ channel has absolutely no correlation with you holding onto "Sigmund Fraud" , dude. LOL but it's okay. i know i got you. we all do it. we all think of things to say before arguments started with random strangers on the internet. It's fine 😉😂😂😂
@Matt Turner Ooh I made the simplest of “probable” deductions from watching another human being talk & behave, I MUST be a psychoanalytical poser. But I get why it baffles you, cuz there’s many specific sets of behavioral characteristics that normal human beings can associate with others based on their body language & general demeanor, it’s a skill humans learn from making friends & socializing instead of starting YouTube pissing contests from their mom’s basements.
the way she says things like "yes, I know" to things that are obviously unreasonable that he says tells me that there's some measure of verbal abuse and that she's just trying to get through a conversation without being yelled at for disagreeing with him. It hurts to watch.
@Landon You can’t deduce that she wasn’t “compassionate” or “harmless” from her not calling police - she seems like the submissive type. He probably told her it would be better to deal with the cops in their own town. She seems like a nice lady, honest.
@Sidewinder exactly. that’s how my mom used to respond to my alcoholic and abusive dad to prevent him having a big boy meltdown. it was always “yes honey” or “i know honey” i’ve heard it all for over 20 years.
I guarantee that man was displaying all types of odd behavior that his wife was teaching herself to overlook. Instead of giving the wife a pass, I bet there were many things that she ignored about her husband that could have been a warning that he wasn't the Altruistic Gun Owner that he portrays himself as.
A woman I know, was married to a man who had an unhealthy obsession with firearms. However on the surface he could easily be overlooked. He would regularly avoid social things with his wife to stay home pressing bullets into the spent shells that he collects off the ground at the shooting range. This guy had a room filled with 60 lbs ammo boxes, stacked to the ceiling. He would walk around their house often wearing his holstered weapon, doing things like dry firing at TV characters, "practicing his draw." I'm not saying there's anything wrong with being an enthusiast, but there are little things you start to notice about somebody. When you're have your wife answer the doorbell after 11pm, and you're standing on the stairs pointing a chambered weapon "over her shoulder," you a crazy MF. Eventually it escalated to where she says once they were arguing, he was wearing his holster and he pulled his weapon on her. He said it was a muscle memory thing that he didn't mean. She's not married to him any more and she did report that incident because she was afraid he might wind up one of these shooters on the news.
@Landon yes I agree, I got the impression that if they got home and no one caught them she would spend the rest of her life just pretending it didn’t happen
@PixelsRnautDed the way he openly talked about having practiced getting the gun out of the console. He was waiting for the opportunity to do this and would’ve used any excuse
@Landon I mean that is accurate, however what if she feared for her own life or being shot at/harmed if she mentioned something right away. Maybe getting home was an escape to not be in the same room as him/in his harms way.
I feel so bad for Rhonda. Such an honest person, and when she's cross examined, she knows every answer is destroying their relationship, and probably putting her Mike away. Tragic. But she dodged a bullet. She woulda ended up as his wife.
She seems so kind and innocent. She didn't do anything wrong and now she's in the unfortunate position of loving a cold-blooded racist murderer and being in the national spotlight. I wish her identity was concealed from the public, that would make sense to me.
Serpentine Deity she really is such a good women and deserves a down to earth man. I just feel so bad she had to fall in love with someone just for them to be like this. She does deserve better
Freddie thats what I was thinking.This dude is scary sick due to arrogance ,people think its not that bad being arrogant ,yet this is it of the very 1st order. She has gotta find someone else, by default.
I really hope the victims family isn't harboring any negitve feelings for her. She really was a poor soul in the wrong place because of someone she loved and trusted her mental state must of been a mess. She really did the hardest thing anyone could possibly do by testifying against your life partner.
Now you're just making other wild assumptions, lol. We have no idea if the guy was also a wife killer. For all we know he could have been very tender and caring to his wife.
Even hitler was a dog lover. Some people push their hatred toward select groups, while maintaining relationships well with other's, but yeah, let's paint this guy as bad as possible.
I mean, she does seem like someone that just happened to find herself in a terrible situation and it clearly fucked with her. But this guy is obviously racist and capable of cold blooded murder. I find it hard to believe he didn't display some of these traits in some manner in the 4 years they were together, so it makes me wonder about her own character. I'm not accusing her of anything, but it raises questions.
@Wes Richards Understand what you mean. I also respect women who stand by their men. But on the other hand, I see her as idealistic. She places the Truth ahead of her relationship with whatshisname, the murderer. I don't think she was doing it for the punks (if they were punks; maybe they were just music lovers). She'd be speakin' truth no matter who it hurt, or helped. The poignant drama here is that she spoke Truth even though it hurt herself, and whatshisname. Mo betta whatshisname thought a few things through before he whipped out his piece. Too late now.
Ruak i felt the same way. he actually said “i hate that THUG music”. and she agreed. she’s a closeted racist, and he’s open about it. i don’t feel bad for her
I don't think she's completely without fault as she did say she told him that they should go home after seeing the news about the shooting and finding out that one of the victims was dead. She missed two opportunities to get him to turn himself in. I know she wasn't fully aware of the entire situation when they first fled the scene, but shooting (whether it results in death or not) outside if a range is illegal so she should have urged him to go to the police at that time, if only to report the supposed threat to his life, let alone after seeing the news the next morning. I definitely give her a lot of credit, though, for being honest with the police when questioned.
@TheMrsGeorgeHarrison Eh can't really pin it on her. She was confused and literally didn't know the exact story. She just wanted to go home. She did nothing wrong, if he confessed to murder to her then yes going to the police was the right answer. Try putting yourself in her shoes. The love of your life just killed someone and is claiming self defense, you no very little details at all about what happened, what are you going to do in the exact moment? Go straight to the police without even knowing exactly what happened yourself? No that's a silly expectation. Even seeing it on the news doesn't tell her what happened just yet. So once the police got involved she told her story exactly as truthful as she could and that's all we really should of expected from her. She is in no way to blame for any of this and putting any amount of blame on her at all is a miscarriage of justice. She is also a victim because she lost whom she thought was the love of her live. Its a shitty situation for everyone because of what a terrible person her future husband turned out to be. You can't control the actions of your loved ones and that is that. Also she was scared, she didn't want to aggravate him and telling him to go confess to the police is definitely a bad move if you don't want to get shot and killed too.
This was a guy who couldn't handle what was, at worst, a teen or two in a car telling him to fuck off. I once worked a call center job (claims reporting for a major insurance carrier - the clients called us to report accidents and injuries, we didn't make cold calls, just to clarify.). I regularly got called all sorts of horrible things by irate callers - and to be fair, I think most of the people who went off weren't normally assholes, they were just having a horrible day and emotions run high when you're stressed out. But some were just assholes. And you know, I never went out and shot anyone over getting called things. Mostly I just flipped off the phone during their rants because they couldn't see it and it made me feel better. Maybe take a quick breather after a particularly bad one.
I was in my early 20s when I worked there. I was more a peer of these teens than to Dunn. A grown-ass man couldn't handle being around some noisy teens for the amount of time it took for his fiance to run inside a gas station mini mart. I mean, it's a fucking convenience store. You stop at these places for maybe 10 minutes, tops, if it's busy. You're not hanging around there unless you're an employee, or your car is broken down and you're waiting for a tow.
@Navikthered Yeah pretty much anyone who has worked a retail or service industry job has endured far worse. But I guess most people aren’t racist drunks.
It's basically the same story as the Lee Roberts case that JCS did. This is just another gun guy who has fantasized so hard about "not being a victim" that he created the threat in his mind to finally live out that hero moment he's been waiting for.
i mean what would you do if the dude you asked a second time to turn down the music then says "Yea, I'm talkin to you" and proceeds to pull a gun on you. what would you do if someone was imminently about to shoot you?
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Adam Mikael2021-06-24 17:47:18 (edited 2021-06-24 17:48:08 )
@Professionally Correct my point is that the original comment glorifies thugs and "thug behavior" by belittling the perpetrator (the most thug thing he could do), i am not defending his actions but "thug behavior" cannot be glorified, at least that's what i think. Often times this sentence ""is that the most thug thing you can do??"" or similar ones promote violence in teenage boys, you would know it if you have been through, if someone says that , they're taunting you & you being a teenager will most likely act upon that, so don't provoke shit! the victim here cursed & yelled & maybe threatened mike dunn and he didn't deserve to die for that ..... someone needs to tell teenagers this kind of behavior is dangerous! you never what the other person might or might not do so why not be cautious while in public , instead of confrontation try and avoid it, it doesn't make you a coward, but that contradicts with thug mentality which dictates that if someone tells you to lower the volume of your playing music , you should reply ""fuck that bich , imma kill that bich, i should kil that bich"" why the hell did i write all this.....
@Fus ion Because as we all know, teenagers implicitly trust adults who tell them what they can and cannot do.
("Thug" is a dog-whistle racist epithet used to refer to black men, and "thug music" is a nonsensical term if you use the word by any other definition. if the exact same events had occurred, but the kids were white, this guy wouldn't have even considered pulling out his gun.)
@Scratch-O yeah i get the point about thugs & thug music but this guy would have shot white kids regardless because he felt humiliated as the witness said he yelled ""you won't talk to me that way!!"" and shot the kid, so he is that kind of a guy .....
@Scratch-O a thug is a criminal. It literally has nothing to do with race. Just because the far left extremists are trying to make it a racist word does not make it so.
@Adeline First off, language is a constantly evolving system, and currently, the only white people who still get called "thugs" after the eighties are the ones that stand in front of club entrances or next to VIPs. Second, please give me an example of a politician you consider a "far-left extremist."
@Fus ion I think you completely missed the point. The op. Wasn’t glorifying thug ness at all. But pointing out the irony of mike Dunn’s disdain for thugs. And acting like a compete thug.
@UC3IuV6bAtWiIdIYE4S4XWrw yeah my guess is he was hammered racist
But also old gen and actually genuinely scared of black people due to reinforced systemic stereotypes that he genuinely and falsely believed to be true
So he massively overreacted and believed his life was at risk.
Either way, still not the cold blooded type of racist looking to kill blacks, just a drunk pssy who is afraid of them for all of the wrong reasons willing to go to extremes if a percieved threat exists
@Scratch-O It can be, but I don't think that's the origin of the term or its actual meaning. According to what I found, a "thug" is:
1. a violent person, especially a criminal. "he was attacked by a gang of thugs"
2. (historical) a member of a group or organization of robbers and assassins in India who waylaid and strangled their victims, usually travelers, and stole their belongings. They were suppressed by the British in the 1830s.
Obviously it's racist to assume all black men are violent criminals, and that appears to be where the confusion arises. But it isn't a purely racist term, any more than "rapist" is - though probably a lot of racists would maliciously apply that pejorative to black and Latino men.
@Fus ion I don't see the original comment as glorifying thugs. He literally just used the idiot's own words against him. It was the asshole who assumed these young men were "thugs" based on their skin. Then he turned around and acted exactly what he accused these young men of being (basing the actions "thugs" are assumed to do). So I see exactly what the comment meant. He acted exactly the way he assumed these boys would act.
@Hot Wheels Truly a sociopath. No empathy whatsoever. Worse still, he even told to the police —and one stand IRRC— that “there was nothing he would have changed different” if he could go back in time. Like, not even roll your window up or just move your car if someone else’s music is making you so mad to the point you want to shoot them? And now you are a murderer spending the rest of your life in prison? Jesus Christ he is twisted.
@Jessie my dog! No worries, 666 is not even close to the most evil thing in this video. Michael Dunn makes 666 look like 420 or 69 and a bouquet of roses by comparison. Lol
Did I miss something? Did his sense of entitlement go up to strangers on someone else's property to tell them to turn down the music? He's telling people at a convenience store to lower their volume?
@Cindy Ashley Yes. You missed a lot if this is all you believe happened. Instead of waiting two minutes for his girlfriend to come out and then they could leave or moving to another spot all the parking lot his sense of entitlement went up to another vehicle — gun in hand — telling other people minding their own business to turn the music down. There was also this pesky little thing called murder that took place which is why he is in prison for the rest of his life.
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Local Menace2021-12-01 19:27:08 (edited 2021-12-01 19:27:39 )
The fact that he sits in jail whining and saying “I’m the fucking victim” and refusing to let the matter go when his fiancée wanted to let it go says a lot about him. Disgusting.
@goatsmilky the teenager pointed a gun at him so it wasn't over loud music it was bc they threatened his life after disrespecting their elders' request to turn down the music
@Cindy Ashley It was a public place. He could have put on his big boy pants and just lived with it for a couple of minutes, yet he went full tantrum. I'll tell you what, I don't like loud noises either, but if I were in his situation, I would have been a sane adult and just ignored it.
@Philip Craig They are under gunfire and in the middle of escaping on a Moving vehicle after a highly risky J-turn manoever, Please DO ENLIGHTEN me how you dial your phone in that kind of situation.
And we can throw that question back to Dunn. Why he doesn't call the cops when they are blaring loud music? He is in a Convenience Store, not his own yard. He can call the cops and report a Public Disturbance instead of shooting TEN ROUNDS, I repeat TEN .45 ACP PISTOL ROUNDS to 3 unarmed teenage boys on Someone else's Private Property. If I own the store, I will report THE GUY WHO SHOT FIRST. I don't care if a bunch of Kids blare Rap music with 50 Volume and Deepfry level Bass Boost... But, Nobody will play Cowboy on my Store.
And let's say they did have a gun tucked in their truck, DISREGARDING evidence found by LEO. The kids doesn't brandish their gun first, it's Dunn that do it first. Dunn is the Aggresor in this situation. Even if they are packing AKs / ARs, it doesn't matter because Dunn drew and, even SHOT, first
The way the innocent woman Rhonda shows astronomically more remorse and sorrow for what happened then the ADULT MAN WHO FIRED 10 SHOTS INTO A CAR BECAUSE OF A DISAGREEMENT is absolutely tragic. Rhonda, you're a good lady. I'm sorry you had to experience the trauma of that event. I hope you are able to find peace that you WERE NOT THE CAUSE.
@ECsix He was threatened though? I distinctly remember the victim's friends recounting during witness testimony that his friend admittedly uttered "lets kill him" towards the start of this video. Was it or was it not in contention?
@Stepping On Legos After he confronted them aggressively. If true I'd interpret that as a veiled threat by a kid, wanting the ADULT to leave them alone.
@Frogstarr He confronted them aggressively? Was it not in question the fact that he asked the teens to turn the music down- to which it prompted the threat response? My only dog in this fight is the idea that this was a "disagreement" as OP puts it as.
@Stepping On Legos If that is true, then he should simply walk away. Its a store not his front lawn. He goes in, cant hear it anymore, buys a bottle of wine and drives off. Instead he pulls out a gun and starts blasting away. Youre acting like playing music is way worse than murder. Youre insane. Or racist. Probably both.
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Tim Stout2022-04-16 09:28:08 (edited 2022-04-16 09:29:30 )
Ah yes, she contacted the authorities and as a nurse stopped to render aid... Oh wait, she didn't do jack shit until they were caught... She may not be criminally liable but morally, she fucked up beyond what I'd consider to be acceptable and she sure as FUCK is no saint that I hope will be able to find peace.
@Michael May you really blame her to be confused and scared in the moment from the gunshots outside and her husband’s story that they may come after them? When it isn’t clear to anyone at that point that someone did get hurt? Cognitive dissonance is insane for you
@Stepping On Legos Imagine some Black guy comes up to you, and orders you and your friends to turn your hillbilly music down. And when you dont, you argue. You threaten him so he kills a couple of your friends. Would you say its your fault?Easiest way to figure out bullying is to work out who approached who.
@Frogstarr You mischaracterize the entire situation with that analogy. It wasn't in question that Dunn that had asked, not ordered, that the music be turned down. It's not in question that when he asked for it to be turned down, he didn't describe it as "thug" music or whatever equivalent of "hillbilly" you're trying to draw from. He requested that the music be turned down, which was turned back up after a moment, then the teenagers made a threat to his life. It seems as though the teenagers, as unjustified the shooting was, who were the ones who were doing the bullying.
@Stepping On Legos According to him the teenagers made a threat on his life but there's no proof of that. The officer interviewing him even says that none of the others in the car said they heard that(but did admit to the guy mouthing off at him in other ways). Even Dunn doesn't even seem sure of it and points out that he could barely hear them. He even claimed they had a gun to try to prove his point, which just proved to be BS. Even according to his own statement, it was really only one of the teenagers that was being an ass about the music(the others turned it off at first and it was just that one guy mouthing off about it)
The teenagers weren't bullying a grown ass man. A grown ass man couldn't handle that someone didn't respect his request and ended up shooting them over nothing.
@Arcade Rat I clearly remember one of the teenager’s testimonies claiming that one of them did indeed say something along the lines of “lets kill him”. If I’m to be mistaken, it’s still ultimately not a disagreement as OP suggested
@Stepping On Legos Well, you are mistaken, I suggest rewatching it. Around 35 minutes is where the officers say that the friends said the guy was mouthing off but no one said anything about the kid saying he was going to kill him. 37 minutes is when the officers also tell him that no one in the parking lot heard it either(While also specifying that they are independent witnesses). I'd also suggest rewatching the testimony from the other guys in the car from the start of the video because they didn't say what you think they said.
And if it's not a disagreement, what is it? They didn't agree on the volume of the music, that is the whole cause of this. He wanted them to turn it down and the kid he killed wanted to keep it loud and when they didn't turn it back down and mouthed off too much, he shot at them. All of his claims about it being self defense were proving to be BS (No gun in the car or anything that could have looked like a pipe, the trajectory of the bullet holes proved they weren't getting out of the car like he claimed and he continued to fire when they were trying to get away). If there had been anything that could collaborate his claim that his life was threatened, he wouldn't have gotten 90 years for attempted murder and life for murder.
So yes, it started as a disagreement, and Dunn took it way too far. It wasn't self defense from a death threat.
A smart person would have ignored the music and waited for his fiance which took about 10 minutes to come out the store and just proceed on. Or if the music was that loud go in the store and wait, or better yet move to another. A dead teenage and life in prison all over his ego.
@Анастасия Сенцова Well his 90 years + life prison sentence would suggest otherwise. He's only innocent by his own claims, claims which were disproven in court and he has no support on (Even from his fiance)
@Michael May its no fault of hers. The guy did the shooting and killed the kid. He was hoping to get away with it thats why he was shouting to her to get in the car she didn't even know what day it was. She a good woman she has not lied for him
@K1LLERBEE11 She did know because this wasn’t the first time he had acted out violently. He attacked a guy talking on the street curb about Jesus and the Bible, and holding signs. Dunn took offense to what they were saying, and punched one in the face after screaming at them. He ran from the scene ( go figure), but was recognized by others that witnessed it. The victim refused to press charges so Dunn was never charged. They broke up after this for a short period. He referred to this in their jail audio calls once.
@Frogstarr I was referring to the comment about why Rhonda didn’t try to “ cure” him of being racist. I never said anything about rendering aid to the victims. 🤦♀️
@Ante But they didn't. If you paid attention, in the video it is stated there is forensic proof none of them ever left the car as the doors were not opened. Plus only the shooter said the kid threatened to kill him, all other witnesses said he just cussed him out.
I do not live in the USA so i'm not well informed about the law there, but, as far as i can assume, the kids were in an open space, he was the one who parked next to them and proceeded telling them to turn the music down?
This poor lady, every time she speaks it’s so quivery, I feel so bad for her. She just wanted to take care of her puppy and have some wine and pizza, which is exactly what most of us want in the end, and she has to deal with all of this. Tragic
@Kojo Degraft-Johnson ayy man, one guy points out one thing in a video. Obviously we cant expect everyone to point out everything in a video just so they can make a statement about one part of it, thats unrealistic.
I would feel the same but I have slightly less sympathy because at the beginning when her fiancé said he doesn't like the "thug music" she said she knows, meaning he's been racist in front of her before. Maybe if that kind of attitude wasn't acceptable from the beginning he wouldn't have been so comfortable shooting teenagers in front of her. I don't know, it's not like it's her fault at all, but I personally would just never feel comfortable spending my life with someone so openly racist.
@Leader of Communist China look, granted it’s fair to sympathise with her but the reality is, life goes on for her yes she’s been apart of a tragic situation but in my opinion most of if not all the sympathy should be with the victim and his family that’s all I’m saying. Credit to her for doing the right thing.
@Kojo Degraft-Johnson Let us all listen to the godly wisdom of Kojo Degraft-Johnson, that governs who everyone is allowed to feel sympathy for and all other matters in the universe
@Kenny J I get the sense that she has likely had to sit through many rants in the past few years she knew him and "I know" was her way of avoiding it without his anger shifting to her for "not caring" or "not listening".
@Kojo Degraft-Johnson I agree... I feel bad for both the lady and the kid and the kid's friends... even those who survived. I think Stone was just hitting on one of the many nails. You hit on another. Neither of you are wrong. I do truly feel for that woman though, because not only did she do the right thing, but that was (is) her fiance. She had to feel so damn conflicted in that moment. It doesn't lessen what happened to the kid, no... but I think we've all been in situations where we've been split in two, and that woman is totally split in two. Just hurts to see so outwardly how hard it was to do the right thing... maybe not hard to choose the right thing, but to endure doing it despite the pain. It's just all too real in her expression of emotion. I know I'd feel the same for the survivors of the victim.
@Kenny J Yes. Everybody has to do way, way, way better than this, even poor Rhonda. Racism speaks to character, it's foundational. It's not a quirk. It's very puzzling that she could overlook it if she's not racist herself, unless maybe he hid it at first. It wouldn't be a stretch to imagine him as abusive, at least emotionally, and I suppose she could have had difficulty leaving once his true character came out. Just speculating, because I don't quite understand people like this.
@Kenny J i mean, you can or can not like certain types of music. if i dont like RAP or Jazz (music that is part of the afroamerican culture) becouse of the rithyms am i racist?. if i dont like Banda wich is the most commun mexican music of ranchs, am i racist to the mexicans? i dont think she was racist. after all, she came out and did the right thing, even if that mean to lose her lofe of her life
@leonardo Moreno Aragón Yeah I'm not saying she herself was racist or that everyone has to love rap, but calling rap "thug" music is a racist remark itself.
@Kenny J He definitely was, this kind of racist rage takes years to grow. He likely always makes racist remarks around her the only justification for her being his fiancé anyways is, that he probably was at least emotionally abusive to her. Which seems plausible but he also might not have been emotionally abusive to her at all so that's important to remember.
*edit nvm just watched entire thing. the only time she showed remorse was when it had to do with her murderer fiance.
@Kojo Degraft-Johnson How is that in any way helpful? If you want me to continue with your logic, why are you heartless monster disregarding the family of the kid who died, completely on purpose, of course?
If you want a complete recollection of what happened and who the victims are, then you should watch the video, not try to expect a complete report of events accounting for all people in the story in a two line comment.
@leonardo Moreno Aragón Their point is more so that he uses thugs to describe innocent black teenagers playing an unspecified genre of music and simply labeling the music 'thug music' on the basis of it being played by black people or relating to the culture of black people is really racist, especially considering thugs are defined as criminals. I don't think Kenny said she was racist either, just that the wife was passive and a sort of enabler to some extent.
There's no shortage of upstanding black people that would also characterize some rap as "thug" music and they wouldn't be wrong (or racist) for having that view.
@KateMich12 well, as someone who isn’t single, the thought of watching them go through trial being charged with attempted murder that I knew they committed, it’d effect me incredibly negatively, so I can empathize with her.
@Kenny J 95% of rap is Thug music. They literally say it themselves in just about all their songs. And I’ve been listening to rap since the early 90s and am a huge fan.
@Kojo Degraft-Johnson Lol come on man that is such a slimy comment. You are pretty blatantly insinuating that OP doesn't care about the victims because they didn't specifically mention them.
The original comment was upvoted so much because so many others sympathized with this woman.
Everyone feels terrible about the deceased, it's ok to recognize secondary victims of tragedies.
This seems so obvious but it seems like some people refuse to accept people feeling sympathy for more than just the primary victim.
@Kenny J could you please explain why calling certain music ‘thug’ is racist? I’m not trying to be condescending or rude, I’d genuinely like to know so I don’t offend anyone and can tell anyone who might say it why they shouldn’t call it that either (not that I usually go around calling anything thug anyway, but still). Hope this didn’t come off as rude. Thanks :)
@BT GKG96 I get that Thug music is a label for Rap and I don't want to debate if it's racist or not. But if you are arrested for shooting at a black kid sitting in front of a black investigator, why would you ever make a statement that could even slightly be taken as racist? Did he hope the investigator would go "oh they listened to thug music? Guess it must be self defense then"
@Kenny J I noticed the 'I know 'being said alot..here's the thing, I doubt if she called him out on his racism he wud stop..its how he is . And from expericne being around ppl with his temper etc it's easier to just say 'I know ' rather than get into a disagreement with them as they are a lot of work..she seems very timid and gentle spoken, doesn't seem she'd be able to handle herself around him
tbh the lady is smart af. She folded like a wet paper bag because she had met the real him. From her demeanor and actions I would say she's unquestionably been a victim of abuse, either in the past or ongoing. She saw her chance to get him out of her life.
@Titvn Gaming Yes you are correct, she is not at fault for this kid dying, but enabling racism is a big reason it still exists. It doesn't mean she's racist, however glancing over racist remarks helps people like him justify them.
@Kenny J She is a suspected white supremacist. She's guilty by association. She also has no problem with his white supremacists epithets. So I feel the same way about her as I do him.
@Comment section guy And I'm saying you couldn't know either and given the guys description of the teenagers [i.e calling them 'animals'], he probably assumed it was thug music off of the basis of what they look like or just the fact that it could be hip-hop. Though again to refer to the latter, this guy said some typical dog whistle shit about the teenagers he attacked unprovoked.
I don't know why you mention drill music separately from trap either because it's a sub genre of the sub genre, that being hip-hop. Like you couldn't know either so why're you going ' if it was what I think it was' and then saying 'but we don’t know that' in the same comment? Bit odd innit?
@Comment section guy also ' On top of that a lot of rappers call themselves thugs.' doesn't really make them thugs and is pretty off topic and we could very much know given there were other witnesses in the parking lot.
@Comment section guy yoo im going to break this down if thats cool
>'Yes but it makes it thug music. They talk about being thugs and doing thug things.' People claiming to be hard criminals wouldn't then make all of their music thug music inherently unless they meet the required standards as specified by you here. It just means they claim to be thugs. That's pretty much it.
>'And I said “if it was what I think it was” because it’s really the only music I hear played loudly and that I play loudly.' With all due respect that's a really bad reason to assume it's inherently about crime, there's pop, vocaloid, raps that aren't about crime but daily issues or social issues, rock, etc. that can be played loudly. Some people just turn on the radio and blast whatever's on.
>'I really don’t know why you brought that up like I can’t suspect something without knowing it.' Because you said the same thing to me.
>'The guy is no doubt racist and a piece of shit, but in general, calling trap music “thug music” isn’t wrong, let alone racist.' Agreed but again, given he has a background of being racist and these kids came back from the mall/have a clean record [as specified in the video], meaning they're at least somewhat sociable/probably don't look up to criminals. Basically it's unlikely, but I agree that calling trap music thug music isn't racist. Because it isn't.
@Kenny J Calling rap "thug" music is not racist. The word "thug" is not even remotely a word that is specifically used to refer to black people, and there are plenty of non-black people that listen to rap music. While I personally wouldn't refer to it in such a manner, I would imagine that anyone who calls it "thug music" is likely referring to the overwhelming number of rap songs with lyrics that glorify violence and illegal/contrary activity.
Just imagine the sorrow, the agony and the remorse his son would feel on his every wedding anniversary, that very same day his dad shot and murdered an unarmed teenager. I feel so sorry for his son, but more so for the young life of Jordan that was lost so early and senselessly, my heart aches for Jordan and his parents.
He murdered a dumb thug who like his friends were probably going to become criminals like many rappers in the hood, no biggie for his son I think he will recover.
@Stephane Well, of course I meant that this anniversary sadness is nothing compared to the sorrow of the parents of the victims. They have to live with that horrible sorrow to the rest of their lives, and I feel so bad for them. And I meant that this wedding couple must also feel so horrible because of the victims. As they should. I would.
@Pixietoria I do, otherwise I would not post a very unpopular, almost insulting in the head of some people, idea. Think what you want, if you're not ready to go through your own opinion until the end yourself that's fine but it's kind of ironic in itself.
@Random guy with a baseball batte I’m just observing a public exchange that contained a few logical fallacies I was curious to understand but if you don’t want to say why you came to your original conclusions on the victim it doesn’t really interest me further.
I’ve not actually said what my stance is. Was merely questioning yours because it pertains to understanding the same viewpoint as the murderer in this case.
I’m not really into speculating about where someone is coming from. I’d rather people explain their stance themselves because that’s more interesting and educationally worthwhile.
I’ve not made any assumptions about you other than observing your interactions (on a public forum). Ideas are interesting to me. Assumptions about people aren’t particularly.
@Pixietoria Why bother using big words if it's to say pretty much nothing ? It doesn't make you sound smarter to people who understand the words you use. If you didn't think anything of it, you wouldn't have commented in the first place.
And also I did explain my stance quite clearly, you're just the one assuming there's more to it, and then refusing to elaborate, therefore confirming my point.
You made a statement about the victim that didn’t have an obvious chain of reasoning behind it, so it’s likely people might want to understand where that conclusion comes from. Especially since it’s the same conclusion Michael Dunn came to. Reading this thread I was personally hoping you might explain how you came to your conclusion - you seem to know things about the victim and his probable future but don’t say why.
However, you do appear interested in making assumptions about the people asking rather than expanding on your own statement. That actually explains it better than any direct answer you could provide tbh.
Dictionaries are available if you don’t understand all of the words I’ve used.
What you haven't explained is how you know enough about the victim to say he was a "dumb thug who would probably end up a criminal". Not "people like him" (whatever that means...) but Jordan Davis himself. The person you wrote your inital statement about.
If your opinion is based on his one interaction before the shooting then I don't see anything in that that isn't typical and very common inconsiderate teenage behaviour myself. That sort of thing is not necessarily an indication of how someone is likely to turn out in my experience. I don't know how old you are, so maybe you don't recall what it's like being a teenager and how badly they can often behave. If it's based on more than that then I can't see why you wouldn't share. I've not been able to find much information about him myself.
@Random guy with a baseball batte btw - I've explained already that my first comment was on the back of the exchange between yourself and xoMillzxo. It wasn't clear initially so I explained that already. If you read that exchange back and then my first comment it should make sense, but if it doesn't, then it doesn't really matter because I've highlighted the same question for you since.
@Pixietoria Well then, you're also judging out of your experience, so how come is it wrong that I have opinions about my experiences ? Don't you see it's kind of hypocritical ? Also judging the age of someone because of his opinion, that's so much more mature, let me applaude you sarcastically, congratulations.
@Pixietoria And still you didn't go on and clearly said what you think I implied. So much words to say nothing, for, as I suspect, either a reason of ego or attention craving.
@Random guy with a baseball batte I have literally restated what I was curious about from your initial exchange serveral times. In xoMillzxo's original words: "How did you become a fortune teller?!?"
@Random guy with a baseball batte I have no pretences. But you can hold whatever scenarios you have about me in your head - I have no desire to defend those perceived inaccuracies - and it’s clear those assumptions will cloud whatever I actually write here so I shan’t engage further. You have misunderstood and redirected at every comment.
I was genuinely trying to have a discussion of ideas not have a ridiculous “me against you” fight. Hence I won’t engage in assumptions you have about me. I’m secure enough to not get dragged down with ad hominem attacks. [cue you analysing my use of the term “ad hominem”]
Remember this insightful old adage; it may be useful:
@Pixietoria Well it's weird to be partly self aware about your mistakes and still contradict yourself in the same comment, unless you like to "make an ass of me and you". Not every assumption is baseless, and you know it. Proof is you knew what I'd assume and I knew what you'd assume. It's not about being a fortune teller as you've seen and proven yourself in this very comment section. Therefore you know you're wrong about the assumptions part.
Not once did he apologise for murdering that kid. On the contrary, he made a point to show he was remorseless. Even calling the victim a 'SOB" in court with his greiving parents watching on. Abhorrent.
Everybody's a tough guy with a loaded gun. We all suffer from moments of disassociation from reality where our better part is submerged in anger, perhaps momentary irrational hate while venting. Good reasons not to posses a loaded gun.
fred bloggs2022-03-21 08:45:46 (edited 2022-03-21 11:47:36 )
lol! Stop hole Dunn out on us buddy! I'm Dunn playing games with you. No court will ever par Dunn you for this! Don't you tell me this was a sud Dunn death situation. You must feel pretty Dunn right now?
Well, we really have lost the plot! I do not feel sorry for anyone here, they are all casualties of sick system that was put into play many moons ago, I will pray for all, and hope as humans we will do better!
You know what's so scary? There are people out there that have done exactly what this person has done or worse and did get a lawyer. So yes... People like this are walking the street still..
He just does not appear to have the requisite IQ. He should have asked for an attorney once warned. His speech does not appear to make him appear like the sharpest knife in the rack.
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Jerry Ross2022-05-21 00:37:44 (edited 2022-06-13 06:03:09 )
So sorry for the victim's family. Pointless, pointless incident. Moral of the story: don't drive if you can't handle other drivers. Respect to RR. Eta: this guy's horrible.
I can't even count the amount of times I stopped at a gas station with friends after coming back from the mall as teens. Never once new my life was in danger.
@Sterling Archer Ha! Another of my pet hates. I tell them, there is yore, yaw, your and you're and it usually blows their minds. Oh and then there's the people who don't know their theres from their they'res!
Rhonda is a wonderful human being and I'm so glad this racist pos is not getting out of jail to bother her ever again. She did the right thing and her conscious is clear
This comment is late but I think at some point his wife was trying to make sure her husband wouldn't get caught and was aware at that moment of how bad the situation actually was when she heard someone mentioning about it as her response was tell her husband and for them to go home together.
Right? Even if he fully believed he was defending his own life, if a person kills a CHILD, you’d think they’d be a little bit more upset by it. If I had killed someone and found out that there was never a weapon on their vehicle, I’d never forgive myself for it. He killed that kid for no reason. And he didn’t even feel sorry for it.
His biggest mistake was being in Jacksonville in the first place. That aside, he shoulda just called the police when he was threatened. Or be sensible and park somewhere further from the SUV full of teenagers playing loud music.
@FrizzKid05 😂 chill homie. By thug music he meant rap and people of all colours make rap music. That means nothing. Remove your bias and you’ll realise that people are almost always judged on character and behaviour rather than color.
@Me Ballerman Ummmm...No, there was no 'both sides' to this. Witnesses never heard Jordan say anything about race. He was pissed that a dude told them to turn the music down in a public parking lot.
There was no reason to even suspect he was mad about the asshole's race. You're 100% just making it up to claim 'both sides', which is you speaking out of privilege.
One party was using racial tropes and the other wasn't. There's no both sides, here.
@FrizzKid05 But do you think Jordan would've throwed the same tantrum if a 45yo black guy asked him to ease off the volume? That is very interesting, but impossible to answer, as Jordan's dead.
No, Jordan didn't scream racial insults at Dunn it seems - but Dunn didn't throw racial insults at Jordan either. We know from the police interrogation, and from people who knew him, and from his letters from jail that he is somewhat a racist. We really need to have a 45yo black guy asking Jordan to turn music down, and watch/listen to his reactions in this example. But we can't.
Anyways - I see Dunn as a clown, a clown who came from his son's wedding, had waaay too much to drink - and unfortunately had a loaded gun in his car. And then he finds himself involved with a bunch of black guys who play loud music. The music they play is made by/for black people, it's loud, just outside the gas station, and it annoys Dunn. The episode ends up with the clown drawing his gun and killing one of the blacks. Now he's in prison for the rest of his life.
@Me Ballerman There was literally nothing in the interaction to indicate that race had to do with Jordan's response, unlike Dunn, who literally went into the situation with the racial overtones. (Aka - 'I hate that thug music', we all know what middle-aged white men mean by that)
You're literally inventing the 'both sides' argument, In this situation.
@FrizzKid05 I can see what you mean "inventing the both sides" - however, it seems I'm the only one in the "whole world" to suspect Jordan of being as much a racist as Dunn. Nobody else but me have thought about this. But think about it: Isn't rap music about "black gangsta heroes and cocaine and gang war"? And Jordan had been listening to this together with his friends, maybe/possibly identifying himself with it, even more so than his more easy going friends. And then came Dunn, the clown.
See, I imagine the episode from both sides, and I can "see" them both. Not even Dunn's own lawyer had been going down "my" path here. Only I have thought about this. Anyways, the verdict was correct, except I think it was manslaughter, not murder1. It just happened.
Dude! Just fucking stop! There was absolutely nothing to indicate race had anything to do with Jordan's response...so stop making excuses for interjecting claims without evidence and stop doing it.
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Me Ballerman2021-09-05 20:03:10 (edited 2021-09-05 20:05:19 )
@FrizzKid05 Mind you: Dunn isn't in prison for racism. He's in prison for murder1. But honestly - if Dunn were a black man, how do you think Jordan would've reacted? This is interesting, but you refuse to hear about it, because deep indside we both have the feeling that Jordan would've answered a black guy something like: "Yo bro, no problemo. We keep it down until we're outta here". As a poc yourself - what do you think? Yes, I could be wrong, we can't test it. But what do you feel? (and sorry if that isn't how black Americans express themselves, hmmm. Maybe he would just say "Yeah, OK bro"
@TROPICS ADRIATIC you make a compelling argument but it is unmistakably racist in this case. It was a man and some kids talking shit about the kids’ “thug music” until the man heard something he didn’t like and drew a firearm.
@Me Ballerman you know what they say about people who assume. I grew up in a neighborhood that was predominantly families of color and none of us white people were ever treated differently lol don’t pull a muscle reaching fam.
@Me Ballerman 😂 Thanks for the Belly laugh so early in the AM! Almost tears!! Answer me this, besides the fact that you say his biggest mistake WASN’T murdering a 17-year old innocent child but instead “…being in Jacksonville in the first place.” Why was it a mistake to be in Jacksonville?
Me Ballerman2021-09-07 17:21:10 (edited 2021-09-07 17:24:04 )
@Wai'ala Kāhele I don't know, I didn't say that? You confuse me with another commenter I guess? Dunn did a horrible and stupid thing. But you know - in the USA people fool around with guns, they even have them in their glove boxes, this is "normal". And he was drunk driving with that pistol in his glove box. Clown he is.
@DMNT-Atlacatl Except, you're ignoring the obvious context. Even if we grant him that the kid made a threat, which obviously wasn't the case, a human being would still show some amount of regret for killing a kid.
@Quinton Moad Aah OK, thanks for the explanation. Well, I might be utterly wrong about how Jordan would have reacted towards a black man. But it is interesting, and it seems nobody but I gave this a thought. Thanks for being polite. Yeah, Dunn was dangerous. Shouldn't have been allowed to fool around with a firearm.
FrizzKid05 And your problem is you attack anyone with opinions different from yours. You have so much hatred in your life an I feel sorry for you man. Your laws allow people like you with anger issues to have guns causing so many deaths like this case.
@Me Ballerman no, not all rap music is about drugs and gangster. There’s different genres of rap. So 1 you’re wrong, and again this is very obvious that this was racially charged. Black people we’ve seen shit like this for decades. Also on the phone he calls them “ animals” and then says “ I don’t like this thug music”. Usually when people say shit like that it has racial undertones to it. And then his lack of empathy also plays a big factor. He also lied about them attacking them and threatening him. There race obviously played a part in this shit and if you don’t think so still then I wouldn’t expect you to because you aren’t black you don’t hear or see people treat you that way.
@FrizzKid05 You calling everyone names and screaming BLM, only makes the movement and the people supporting it look bad and immature (when its not). If you want to make an argument or statement, i suggest you do so with composure and dignity, otherwise people will never listen to you even if youre saying something true and/or important.
@Me Ballerman 100% agree with you again sir. No matter what we do we can't win with these folks. Always have to throw insults around and get vitriolic. Thanks for answering the raging storm with calm sir.
@FrizzKid05 sir, are you capable of writing a sentence without insulting someone you disagree with? Goodness the amount of hatred you carry inside you is...frightening. What happened to you?
@FrizzKid05 wow. We've moved to existential insults, that is meta. Someone's very existence is an insult and it's your sacred duty to insult those whose existences insult themselves....that is....very interesting.
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Patrick Bell2021-09-22 05:22:11 (edited 2021-09-22 05:22:29 )
@FrizzKid05 Also, you read one comment from me and have already determined that my "existence insults everyone?" Holy cow what a massive statement of arrogance that is. You see a single paragraph of writing from me and assume that you can accurately characterize the effect my entire existence has upon the world around me? That isn't psychopathic? Look in the mirror man. I'm not your enemy, I have nothing against you personally despite our obvious differences in opinion, but your behavior of calling other people literal psychopaths for having a difference in opinion and not completely agreeing with your galvanizing mindset is insane.
Do you actually, truly believe that you are so perfect, so flawless, that you can play God with people's existence and determining their value? That isn't insane?
@TROPICS ADRIATIC Right? They were dressed for the part. Not a justification, but it DOES go to character. If I shaved my head and wore flannel vests, one might assume I was a skinhead, right?
@AboveAll Hmmm idk if this case is the best example for you bud, this is a pretty cut and dry "dude was racist" murder! Save that concern trolling for the ones where it's at least slightly debatable
@TROPICS ADRIATIC i agree that always isn’t the case, however, this case tho definitely indicates it to be racially motivated, as the shooter was previously known for racist behavior and referring to the rap music the kids were listening to as “thug” music
just in my take of the situation that happened ^ we never can possibly know what was going on in the sick mind of that man, and you are absolutely correct it saddens me how he had no empathy once so ever, and felt very entitled to take the kids life
@Me Ballerman It's funny you're talking about people needing to be grateful to be in your country.. what about your country's history in regard to colonialism? Perhaps you should have never left home and taken over lands that had nothing to do with your people. Should have been grateful to be in Denmark. That's your logic, right?
Me practicing what i would say only to realize im not a murderer so it doesnt matter lol its funny how crime stuff i always think like "dude why didnt you cover your tracks" then im like wait good, dont cover them hahah
@Steve Christie Um...when your only comments are to random women about their age/hitting on them. It makes you look every creepy. So maybe try a different avenue one that's not so stranger danger vibes. If you are a serial killer than ignore everything I just wrote...cause atleast then I know you will never get a victim with that approach.
Just who evers name and 25 -30? Then I clicked on his profile and saw that was his MO. Randomly creepy hitting on women in comment section. Thought someone should be honest with him.
@Michał Krawcow no, the main comment says she felt more remorse over the thought to stop for wine over the guy who was killed. I'm saying anyone would in her shoes because in her mind it's the one partshe would feel she had to play in it. She blames herself for that. Not that any of it was her fault in the least. In her mind she would say "if only I didn't tell him to pull over for wine it all would have been avoided."
I love her bc she testified against him. In a world where we have Chris Watts mom saying Shannan killed the kids, it’s nice we have others that hold their loved ones accountable.
Probably because she was the one who wanted wine. That's normal. Her reaction is normal. She feels awful because she knew that if they hadn't stopped for wine, the innocent child wouldn't have gotten killed because the situation wouldn't have happened at all.
@summer 91 Regardless of if the person was an actual child or not, he is the child of his mother and father. He is someone's child. He was only 17, which is a teenager, but he is still someone's child.
It's that situation of a person blaming themselves for an unfortunate event because they had some influence over the unforseen circumstances which led to the tragedy, even though they couldn't have known. She cleary doesn't support what he did, It's awful of you to look down on her.
@Disciple Mike Yes, the original comment doesn't seem intended to blame or question the fiancee's guilt over stopping for wine -- the intent seemed to be to point out how it differs from Dunn's reaction. She feels a lot of remorse for the small entirely unintentional part she played, like any human being with empathy might. He, on the other hand, seems to feel no remorse at all for murdering a teenage boy.
Yeah, "child" feels technically inaccurate, "teen" might have been more appropriate. But I'll admit, that's a bit pedantic. Otherwise, I fully agree with OP's sentiment
@Disciple Mike people have the right to stop a a liquor store for a night cap, your fiance doesn't have the right to take out a gun and shoot at a car 10.not 9.. not 2 times. TEN TIMES.. if it weren't the liquor store,that lunatic would have done something else in another situation
@Miss Vee I'm not saying that it's her fault. It's all on the guys fault of course. I'm saying IN HER MIND she's taking what blame she has convinced herself she has.
@Disciple Mike oh I see yes .. I also think she genuinely believes that too and I think she is carrying the burden of it because of the life it took.. hope she gets therapy..she doesn't look like she is all there... neither does he ro be honest..
@jenni, while I agree this guy doesn't show any remorse for killing that boy, I have to wholeheartedly disagree with your assessment of the boy being considered a "child." A person who is 17 is absolutely NOT a child. Are they young, a teen, or a youth? Absolutely. If a person is old enough to have gone through puberty though, he or she is not a child. Just saying...
@Roo H Yeah, I was scratching my head over that one too. Sure, if the guy had accidentally killed an eight year old boy or girl or some similar age, then those words might be appropriate. But in this case, teen, young adult, or youth makes more sense than "innocent child."
@James Ford - there is a part of society that has an inherent need to turn a blind eye to the bad behavior of groups based not on the behavior itself but on the a fake "intersectional victim status" that they feel the person belonged to. It is a lame sort of virtue signaling where the person making the comment feels morally superior towards anyone who dares call out the comment, immediately labeling them as racist or sexist or xenophobic, in order to try and discredit the person. There was a time that didn't work, but now the media has embraced it, and it is nasty as hell.
@Jordan's Channel Yes, I know he's the problem, but its natural for her to feel more guilt. Someone in her position would feel as if it could've been avoided in the first place.
She was talking about the act that initiate everything, just watch the all thing. She even said that it was a horrible experience and apologize to the victims in a interview. So, yeah, she felt remorse, a lot actually.
People arguing over the obvious teens being labeled as children🙄, in a judicial court don’t you think they’d have to use the legal terminology of “child” for people’s under the age of consent which majority age in the US is 18? Just because you don’t define them as children doesn’t mean the legal system will change the definite law. 18 is defined as the age of maturity in the US, you can vote, are independently in charge of ones own self, be recruited for the military and witness the tragedies and joys of adulthood. These “young men” are not men yet, therefore shouldn’t be held in any different standing of the court system. They have experienced adult tragedies before the age of full understanding, legally defined in the US.
@James Ford "The United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child defines child as a human being below the age of 18 years."
I'm using the legal definition. A person who is under the age of 18 IS a child. A child can go through puberty at 12-13, would you argue that after that they are no longer a child? Kids develop physically at different paces but that does not mean they're no longer children.
@Francisco Tejerina I know, that's my point. She felt remorse for a mundane non-criminal thing because she's a decent person who felt awful about the kid being murdered and felt like she had a part in that chain of events. What's striking is the contrast between her remorse and her husband's lack of remorse, even though he's the one who murdered the victim.
@Hazey you just wrote a long idiotic rant that has nothing to do with why people are responding to the word children used in the original post, especially the term innocent children.
@The Midnight Library At 17, your brain is not finished fully developing. That means you are a child! Now, does he fit the definition of a 5 year old? No, but the definition of child is very versatile. I'm a young adult, (if I wanna stretch it very far) but I still consider myself a child because I'm under 18. I'm over 13, but I am still considered a child.
@Lunar DeBrie no, you are not still considered a child at 18. You are literally considered an adult, hence why you can be tried for crimes and taken to court, as an adult. New adult doesn’t mean still being a child.
@Bruce Gender Trans Jenner exactly. 17 is not a child. It’s disingenuous to say that. They’re one year away (let’s be real, LESS than one year away unless it’s their 17th birthday today) from being an adult and being able to vote, join the military, and go to court and be tried as an adult. Not to mention, every 17 year old I’ve known, such as myself when I was 17, thinks of themself as an adult already. 17 isn’t a child. If you have to call him an “innocent” anything, say “innocent teen”. Lol.
My only issue here is the wording. I think we can all agree Michael Dunn is a waste of air, and those guys stopping at a gas station while playing music did not in any way warrant what that POS did.
@Jackman LeBlanc exactly. honestly i think the people who are hyper focused on saying he’s “not a child” are trying to take away from the tragedy of the event. maybe they think those kids were thugs and don’t want everyone to over-sympathize with the victims, because obviously it doesn’t matter whether you consider 17 a child or not, he’s a kid and he was murdered. i’m just speculating though. that’s just how i see it.
@The Midnight Library 17 year old with no criminal history listening to rap music with his friends at a gas station. That is literally the definition of an innocent child
@Annie Macrae Yeah I agree with you. It's really disappointing how little empathy people have these days. I don't understand how they can learn about this poor kid being murdered for no reason and the only thing they can do is argue he wasn't really a kid. It's horrible.
@The Midnight Library Jesus Christ man he’s 17 years old, he’s a kid😂 and you said he was innocent that’s my fault. The legal definition of a child is a young human below the legal age of majority if that’s what you’re trying to argue, although it doesn’t even matter 🤦🏻♂️ I misunderstood you and thought you were arguing the innocent part as well, I apologize. My bad.
@Parker Lawhon 17 is not a kid. 17 year olds can be tried as adults. 17 year olds have murdered people before. To call him a child is silly, do you people not understand that? He’s only a child because he was innocent. Had he killed someone, he wouldn’t be a child in your eyes would he? No. He’d be an almost-18-year-old. My entire point is just be consistent. Being innocent doesn’t make someone older or younger lmao.
@customsongmaker Are you even serious!? No where in the video did it suggest that she nagged him non stop, she doesn’t even look like the kind to nag at someone, she suggested that they stop to get alcohol and they did. Don’t even try to blame her for his actions and for him “snapping”, she had nothing to do with it and he is fully responsible for his actions. And if he was capable of doing so that night he was capable of doing it any other time. You don’t know what happened that night, and for you to speculate and try to blame someone without evidence is disgusting behavior, I would suggest for you to kindly stfu and only talk about things you are certain of.
@customsongmaker Sounds like you're blaming her, the person who was not firing the gun in the situation. I don't think you undersrand the situation very well.
@Speccy SquareGoLike 17 is an adolescent, not a child😂 this is such a pointless conversation. If that same 17 year old were the shooter instead of the victim, would he still be a child? If that 17 year old shot someone you loved, would you not see him punished as an adult? There’s clearly a double standard here. All i’m saying is be consistent. Child implies far younger than 17, usually 12 and under. It’s misleading to call him an innocent child. Innocent, YES. Child, NO.
@Lunar DeBrie No hate to you, but female brains don't fully develop until like 25 or something and male brains, like 28-30, if I remember correctly. I do agree with your overall statement, though.
@The Midnight Library Go to UNICEF and look it up, it's not hard. I'm sorry you're upset about not being considered an adult yet, I used to consider myself as a young adult when I was a kid, but looking back, I was definitely still a child and I won't see it any differently
@Speccy SquareGoLike I’m 23 lol. I just think it’s silly that you and others are calling 17 a CHILD, when it’s literally not. Ask anyone what they think when you say the word “child”. I’ll bet not even one person pictures a 17 year old.
@The Midnight Library You didn't look it up, did you? I'm gonna leave you with that, because I really can't be stuffed arguing something that is literally a fact . Hope you have a good day
@customsongmaker He was also under the influence. It's not her fault that he decided to shoot at a bunch of kids. Also, I'm talking about the "it's his fault for staying with her" comment. Not your original one blaming the person who had nothing to do with the murder. Try to keep up 🙄
i reckon it is because the man is clearly an abusive husband and probably blamed it on her cause the wine was the reason they where at the scene in the first place
@The Midnight Library as a 17yr old I am legally considered a child until my birthday on July 20th. The line has to be drawn somewhere, and in most places that line is you have to be 18 to be considered an adult.
@Bob Terrana 1. brain doesn’t stop until 25 2. Legally a child 3. If you’re an adult and don’t consider under 18 be a child, something inside you is wrong. You need therapy
@James Ford according to you my mom and a class mate was children till they was way in their 20’s because that when they got their period. My 9 year old rebrew is a man bc that when he reach his.
@Gary Whitehead Legally there is no distinction. A teen is a child. The legal definition is what matters here, not the specifics of human development and maturity. In court, children can be “tried AS adults” depending on the crime and proximity of their age to legal adulthood, but theres a reason it’s “tried as” and not “legally an” adult. The law doesn’t distinguish between minors. You’re either a minor (a child of any age below 18) or an adult. It’s a courtroom, not a science class. There are only 2 categories.
@The Midnight Library I completely disagree I see someone who is a child as someone who is ignorant to the world and how things are just because someone is 13 and not 12 doesn’t mean they changed mentally or physically much 17 is young and “just a kid” and saying “killed a child” are used for someone early 20s to about 10 ish imo
@Galaxie_ Coeur I'm pretty sure he would have murdered someone else eventually. Avoiding thug music isn't possible. There will be loud horrible music playing and you can't murder someone for it but he didn't get it.
@Jenna Mattern not necessarily. She could have him arrested at any time by claiming he hit her. He wasn't free to leave, since our government would send men with guns to enforce her whims.
@Galaxie_ Coeur I get what summer is saying. It's semantics. He was technically not a child at 17. At least a year from being an "adult". To us, he's a child because of his age. But is that true or is it how we use words. At 45, I call csll mid 20s kids and children. But try are not. It's semantics for no reason. Especially when it's one lined like that. He was a minor and a young person. As an older person a modicum of restraint and wisdom are expected.
I'm from the hood. I've asked people to lower there music at publics places. Some are cool. Others are assholes. Unfortunately I cannot make someone do something. I carry also. Knowing people can be assholes and I carry, I'm not looking to escalate a situation. I wanna go home with no drama. 🤣
So in fear of his life and innocent that he takes 4 shots , steps out of his car and into their line of sight and shoots 4 more times, as they're taking off. Then leaves the scene, goes to a hotel, orders pizza, and walks his dog. Not guilty at all.
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Pure entitlement. He truly believed that as long as he said he feared for his life, he was going home. He looked flabbergasted when he realized he would not be going home in the last ten minutes. He walked in with almost no concern. He planned what he would say and had a couple stand your ground buzzwords tossed in. He thought if he kept saying he feared for his life he was going home. He seemed so nonplussed when told there was no gun, it didn't matter. When they said the kid never opened the car door it barely fazed him. Even when he was pressed about blindly firing a gun into a car of people he couldn't see that posed no threat while it was driving away, it barely registered. After all of that he still believed he was going home. This is pure entitlement.
Lmao when he’s on trial after talking to the lawyer makes me think the lawyer wanted to be a movie producer to get him to relay the events that happened so theatrical and hilarious to watch. Too bad Dunn is a shit actor and couldn’t convince the jury.
Goes without saying that he should have just moved his car away from vehicle that he found bothersome. He should also get a dwi and handling a firearm under the influence and they should get a disturbing the peace violation. If these hadn't occured, this wouldn't have happened. Lesson: don't instigate and intentionally aggravate and don't engage with those who do. Wonder what kind of partner he was. Fear of this kind of man with a gun is a real one in the US.
what a world we have to live in nowadays where it‘s not self defence when you shoot fleeing people who are unarmed and never posed a real threat in the first place like damn times are rough
"What was the importance of that?" "To save my life." "from the door?" "no i-" NHA cuz that was so funny to me, cuddos to the detective for his patience for this narcissistic baffoon
I have to admit, my interest is piqued by your correct spelling of narcissistic, a word commonly misspelled, yet "Kudos" and "buffoon" escaped you entirely.... Truly intriguing.
@B Bodziak way to make this a political subject buddy!
The Left takes any chance to shame the Right it seems, no matter how shameful.
Oh btw, if you have any shred of wisdom in you, you'd vote for Trump as well instead of those pocket-filling Democrats.
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B Bodziak2020-08-21 00:36:12 (edited 2020-08-21 01:02:03 )
@Brian I'm guessing that you didn't realize that Jordan's mother, Lucy McBath, was prompted by this event-- the murder of her only child, AS WELL AS, Trump's and the GOP's lack of concern over any type of real gun-control to run for a House seat in Congress as a Democrat. So, YES, the death of this young man, who had his life unnecessarily cut far, far too short, DOES have a political edge to it. In 2018, Lucy won her first attempt at running for any public office outside of a position on a middle school's PTA board. She unseated a 26 year fixture of the GOP , Karen Handel. She proudly and successfully represents hers AND my district in Georgia; and I not only enjoy having Lucy as my House Congressional Representative, I have also enjoyed and have had the pleasure of working side-by-side Lucy at a commercial airline for almost 30 years. Trump's behavior and lack of empathy and concern for shooting victims is a huge reason that she decided to run for office.
If you still do not think that this crime and my comment(s) is intricately linked to politics, please explain to me how so.
FYI: The comment I equated to Trump Followers held this description, as follows: --Whiny --Triggered (easily) --Racist
Check, Check, and Check. The only possible exception is "Creep", and that's ONLY because I do not resort to using descriptive terms that shouldn't even be used on middle school playgrounds -- Given that it's a regular "go-to" term used by Trump and his Followers, it likely is deserved to be on this list as an accurate adjective, but I'm not quite ready to stoop to the distasteful tactics so often seen from the GOP, especially from the highest ranking member of the GOP. They gave turned our nation into the laughingstock of the world, even in the two countries that our "leader" has sucked up to time and time again: Russian and North Korea.
@B Bodziak It's amazing how Trump supporters are only able to project the worst traits of their dear leader on Democrats. Pocket filling?!? Are you kidding me? 🤣😂 There must be some criticism they could level against Dems that doesn't better describe the current GOP and Trump, but I've yet to hear it.
B Bodziak thank you for your comment with the detail about Jordan’s mother. I’m so glad that some good has come from this tragedy and hopefully she can do some real good for the community in her sons name.
@November Witch +99% of BLM protests have been peacefull, unlike rightwing protests by organizations like the proud boys etc the Fbi has proven that there was no Antifa involvement When people say that rightwing talking points are based on feelings and misinformation this is what they mean
B Bodziak I think this is about more than politics, there’s a horrible system in the US that teaches ppl who aren’t exactly exposed to real black people, that black people are dangerous, it isn’t 100% a right wing doctrine either, it’s just a racist doctrine. This man in the video is obviously an extreme case, but his ideals exist in many us citizens, and that is the real problem, not the politicians who would use real tragedies to bolster their popularity, because at the end of the day a child died because a racist man labeled him a thug for the colour of his skin, and the music he was listening to.
@Kyle Mortensen imagine if like...... e.g. every serial killer on trial used "well what about all the serial killers u HAVENT caught" as a free get-out-of-jail pass lol. "aw shit u right mr bundy case dismissed. in fact YOU should be the judge. heres my gavel"
Teru Mikami the world doesn’t bend to suit whatever you want, if something’s too loud, boohoo it’s in a public space, you can be mad about it, but normal adults move the hell on, not pull out a gun.
Brian Trump is literally filling his pockets by going to his properties and having everyone he brings with him Pay to get in and stay. Out of the three plus years he has been in office he has visited his properties 500+ times and spent 394 days there. So well over a year of his presidency.
MAGADETH weren’t you the one who said that tangent wasn’t pertinent to the original comment? Maybe instead of trying to prove to complete strangers how well you can use google we can have an actual conversation here, you tried to justify child murder in your original comment, let’s get back to that.
Woah, I just now noticed that when the interviewer asked if he shot one handed or 2 handed he immediately pointed an imaginary gun at the black interviewer instead of anywhere in the room, that's really telling of this man.
This happened in Florida. The US has more guns than people. The country with the next-most number of guns is India with like, a billion people and 71 million guns. It’s easy to have the mentality as a civilian that someone “bending down in their car” is reaching for a shotgun when everyone and their dogs are packing heat. The US is fucked. And somehow, the people in the US are raised to think this is not only OK, but that it’s a good thing to have guns, and that the issue is “illegal” guns and mental health. Guess what, Michael Dunn chasing after a car with a knife is a completely different story than shooting a car 10 times.
?? She is a freaking mouse. Honey this, honey that....he's my fiance. Oh please, if I was in the car next to this fool as he shot someone dead , bragging like he is Clint Eastwood, and they go back to the hotel like nothing happened
@Ellybean Ok, imagine still falling in love with someone, and then they slowly reveal their true character. People are likely going to focus on the best parts of the their fiance's character, especially after years of being together.
@Ellybean typical keyboard hero. The thing is, you don't know what you would do. I'm not saying she did the right thing at that moment but think about it, imagine the love of your life doing something like that. Would you immediately blame him/her? Wouldn't you try to understand and think about reasons why he/she would do that? In the end, when all things became clear she had the guts to tell the truth, and that means alot. It means she has character and honesty. That's not a mouse.
@Ellybean she wasn't in the car with him when it happened she was inside the gas station and only told the police what she knew and was probably told be dunn
@Arturo Alvarez The thing is that everyone watched Rhonda talking and feeling emotions, thus empathizing with her is simple. But I agree with you, when I saw the picture of the kid, even before I knew what was going on I thought something bad happened to him and I felt disgusted and sad. Hearing he was murdered was shocking to me because we already watched all of his friends, all just kids that stopped for some cigarettes and liked music and getting in trouble, but never actually hurting anyone. What about his family? What about his school peers? Maybe he had a girlfriend or someone that never had the chance to tell him how much they love him. Gosh, how in the hell was Dunn expecting we would empathize with someone that ENDED a kid's life for NO reason.
@Arturo Alvarez No one here isn't NOT feeling for the kids. That's obvious. It's just interesting to see someone have to come to terms with the fact she loved someone who was willing to lie and shoot at some kids. She could be feeling everything from betrayal, anxiety, and paranoia from being around someone who so easily did what he did. The kids are the obvious victims and certainly recieve many sympathies from everyone in the comments section. As someone who went through a similar situation with someone you love revealing their true evil face and hurt innocent people around you, it's highly relateable and I sympathize with the sure conflict she's feeling. Torn between loving someone and coming to terms with reality. It's a lot harder than people make it out to be-- You can't just... ditch those feelings, especially since it wasn't you who was directly affected. Everyone feels for the kids, as they didn't deserve this at all from a monster like that. But people do forget the others affected from truama indirectly.
She not only told the truth but she was very objective and didn’t try to defend him in anyway, no “well he did do that but it was because of this” and that is really admirable
She answered the questions as she was asked and without inserting her own commentary and additional details. That is your duty as a witness to any crime, let alone a violent crime that resulted in the death of a chid. She clearly understands the gravity of the crime and her importance as a witness.
Has military friends that show him the right stuff, yet tea-cups when showing how he shot at them. No chance this guy had any lessons, let alone any training on situational awareness or deescalation. I think this is actually a straightforward trigger happy murderer.
@Robert Smith, It's also incredible that humans express no regret for the murder that happens everyday in slaughterhouses. People are predators by nature, no matter how much you all think you're better than this guy, the fact is you're not. Nor am I. We all have our limits and we don't know why he did what he did, because we AREN'T Mike. We're all parasites on this planet, we just like to lie and mask it to make ourselves feel like we're better, but the fact is, it takes little to send someone to the point of taking it as far as Mike did.
Murder has been commited by all nations throughout history, be it against another person, or animals. The only time murder is prohibited is when it goes against Law. The same Law which was created by a handful of control-freaks which are hell-bent on trying to play god and maintain control over everything on their land, yet give the green light and say it's okay to let it happen to other beings. i.e pets getting burnt/hung alive, killed/butchered and eaten. It's hyper-hypocritical behaviour.
The only thing murders do is prove that the less of us on this planet, the better off it will be. This race is seriously messed up and that's not reserved for the people in these videos, i'm talking about everyone.
@adrenalinflow yeah I agree. His choice of words describing the victims and their selection of music was a tell tale sign. I also believe he is a sociopath.
@Robert Smith "Sociopathic", you say that like it's something to be a ashmed of. If you think it is, then you'll probably want to start questioning all of those in power, y'know, the ones that wrote all of the rules you live your life by? People in power tend to have the Traits of Socipathy more so than anyone else, to the point where it's concerning. It can apply to anyone out of power too.
Go and dig up history on anyone that's ever been in control of something of importance. You'd be concerned at how many of those in power tick all of these boxes, be it a severe Lack of Empathy, or having difficult relationships, being Manipulative and deceitful, Hostile, acting on Impulsivity, and partaking in risky behavior.
@Wardy T idk man.. "it takes little to send someone to the point of taking it as far as Mike did." i mean.. many still didn't do it, i think that's a pretty good reason to not compare everyone to a murderer.
also the thing with the slaughterhouses, humans ARE predators by nature, the first humans had to hunt to survive, i guess some of it is still in our DNA but not murder.
anyone who gets off of hanging animals and shit is not right in the head. it's just not ok to put every single human being in one pot.
@Zene' Means I mean I doubt he would have shot 3 old black people in church clothes listening to gospel music too loud. It could be a factor but I’d say it’s more about the rap gangsta culture and young people being punks, in his view.
@Tech Support You want me to get checked? Under the same Laws that were written by, and defended by Psychos and Socipaths? I'll be damned if I'm going to be pointed at and shamed by hypocrites who are no better. I think you need to realise that we can all be subjected to adopting the traits of a psycho/sociopath, if the trauma we're thrown into is bad enough. put yourself in his shoes, you'd want to be treated fairly.
If you think caring about the fact these kids were shot makes you all-round empathetic and a good person, then you're wrong. You're not showing any empathy toward the guy that's probably been subjected to abuse as a kid, or something else traumatic that's caused him to become unstable enough to gun down these people.
All people like you do is point and laugh at those who act out and do bad deeds, but you never care about the abuse they suffered at the hands of family, or the things that made them the way they are.
@CuTTyFlaM Here we go... another human trying to shame/label another because his feelings were hurt. I'm not an antinatalist. For a start, I never said that ALL humans should abstain from procreation, that's just you putting words in my mouth and you're wrong. I said that SOME people don't think before bringing life into this world, my parents are guilty of such thing.
@IIZeRoII Have you ever been in a Life vs Death situation? Those moments fly by so quickly, and the window to react varies. What you've just said tells me that you haven't been in that position, for which I'd say you're fortunate - You'd be shocked where the human mind goes when it prioritises keeping the rest of your body alive - Anyone that hasn't found themselves in such situations, you are priviliged people. That doesn't, however, grant you or any other priviliged person permission to shame others for being unfortunate enough to be where they are, it just means you have had life easier.
"it's just not ok to put every single human being in one pot." If you were a fetus at one point, leeching sustanance from your Mother, if you eat meat, plant matter, or even breathe oxygen they give off, then you're a parasite by definition of the word, which means we are all in one pot. I don't care how much you try to detach from that, in regards to a parasite, you and I, and any other living beings are just that.
Anyone can be a killer/murderer too and they're both the same to me, be it "Lawfully" or not. Food or not, It's still founded in selfishness, how ever you look at it.
This guy should go to JAL big time...he shouldn't have had a gun in the first place. He should have had a safety class before he got a gun of any kind.
That initial phone call where he rants and raves about his victimhood well also dropping all those insults against black people in particular really tells everything you should know about what kind of animal this man was and why he completely deserves to be spending the rest of his life in prison. It's completely obvious that racism was deeply ingrained in this man's mind and totally contributed to his decision to kill that black teenager because he had the nerve to stand up to a white man.
I cringed with his every word while wondering who the fuck thinks like this. I am genuinely embarrassed for him and as a fellow human being. These people are NOT right in the head. They look "normal" and behave "normal" but are secretly and unknowingly damaged thinkers. May God please forgive us and help us all and watch over those young men and their families.
Do i need a lawyer? It sounds like i'm in deep shit. Well the district attorney's office, has issued a warrant for your arrest & you're being charged with 1st degree murder & attempted murder. You should've kept your mouth shut and asked for a lawyer before speaking to two homicide detectives.
The strength of Michael Dunn's ex fiance, Rhonda, is astounding. That had to be the hardest thing to endure; being brutally honest to detectives and the judge/jury/lawyers, knowing the answers would condemn the man she once loved.
Still loved, I would think, at least at the time. You don’t immediately stop loving someone because they do something awful. Yet as clearly submissive as she was and as much as she loved him, she didn’t falter once as she spoke. I’m not surprised her voice was shaking. But damn, underneath her submissive personality is a hidden core of steel. I just hope she’s healing and can find happiness in life again.
Yeah what a gal. Wish I could find one that would divulge any and all info to cops and get me a 90 year sentence if god forbid I found myself doing something stupid like mike did . She is Definitely a keeper
Michael dunn was drunk thats why he waited so long to report anything if he was even going to report anything his girlfriend even said he had 4 mix drinks. He said all that stuff to his girlfriend over the phone knowing it would get out.what really sad ia there was a boy dead and dunn was aware . but all he cared about was there dogs well being.
Looks to me like psychopath response where they don’t care so much about consequences. Also very narcissistic and self serving with zero remorse… classic
Ladies and Gentlemen what you will witness at the end of this tragic video is the DEVIL in his purest form. May he suffer every waking day of his life.
The fact that he did not once feel sorry for killing an unarmed 17 year old teenager is what baffles me the most. He went so far as saying that he'd do it again tomorrow if he happened to be in a similar situation 😐 disgusting, really. His fiancee felt more guilt than him and it wasn't even her fault.
@DeludoSui Oh god I hate engaging with trolls but.... how would he be in prison if you, obviously all knowing and all seeing, knew they had a gun? The child didn't have a record, neither did any of the others in the car, so how could he be a 'dirt bag criminal'? Fairly sure you are just making this up.
Felix DC some people are just that cold-hearted, it’s not worth engaging. I bet this is the type of guy who’s thinks the cops who killed George Floyd were in the right.
@KayUndae - That name again. George Floyd died of a heart attack while overdosing on fentanyl and meth. He worked himself up into a fit and his heart couldn't take it. The cops had to restrain a crazy person, whom they were quite considerate and concerned for until he started flailing around and screaming--Actually, even then. It was only after this continued that they took him to the ground and held him down, waiting for him to settle down.
Actually he said there were "about 5 things he would have done differently last night" and the events were unfortunate. Of course asking people to turn their music down it's going to escalate things, it's their right to be rude to others and get away with it because they are black. One boomer calls them out and they get upset thinking their black privilege of acting thug will keep them from the consequences, but not that day.
@KayUndae Floyd absolutely did have drugs in his system. Fentanyl is a major depressant. Combined with a powerful amphetamine like meth, it absolutely would cause breathing problems.
@Chicken Wings Huh? Because of what? I have been be homeless, doctors have done me wrong, police too..im not rich at all..i guess im waiting for my pirivilege😳😳😳😒
@Outy Man "Whether or not he was intoxicated or had medications in his system is irrelevant to the cause of death, which is homicide." Two different independent studies confirmed that. End of story.
undoubtedly, everyone victim blaming her saying “she knew what she married” is appalling. discussing her passivity in his racism can be done with nuance and without blaming her
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@Random guy with a baseball batte did you watch the video? None of the kids in the car had any violent record whatsoever ever. They were in high school and listening to music in a car. The punishment of murder doesn’t fit listening to music too loud “crime”.
@Random guy with a baseball batte This is a pretty awful perspective to have. Nobody in that group threatened them, the taste in music/race doesn't have shit to do with it. Living near a suburban area with barely any crime you'll have people blasting music on occassion, this doesn't mean they're thugs. Your labelling them as such for the music and, I imagine, the skin color is why the issue keeps on repeating itself; Same as the case of a man taking his rifle to fire at a teen just for knocking at the door, just presume trouble off of minor shit like music or race.
@Random guy with a baseball batte it doesn't even matter when you sound like a guy who will be the perpetrator sometime in the future, just get some help
@M A That means nothing. Not having a violent past is not evidence of innocence. It's not a binary. It just means they can't make an assumption about someone they've never met.
@Random guy with a baseball batte In addition you really have to re-listen to this 36:17 part.
That's the actually description of the KID who has been murdered because of the racists prejudgments of his murder that have been displayed before the shooting and confirmed with letters he wrote from jail.
They are no thug's and no life has been safes through the murder of that kid. The only person who saved lifes was the friend of that kid who saved the rest from that lunatic while he tried to kill even more of them.
@Kino Cartoon I've read the first paragraph and I'm not inclined to continue, I didn't excuse rapes but if you think that, then your comprehension reading is too low so I'm not willing to read the rest.
@Random guy with a baseball batte ".., but it's like I'd you're a woman who dress half naked at 4 am in a dangerous place, criminals should be punished but ultimately it's also the woman's fault ..."
That's the comment I referred to. I know you wrote that criminals should be punished regardless but you also literally victim blamed a hypothetical rape victim even if it's an exaggerated example. But I do agree that "excuses rape" was the wrong descriptions for that so my apologies for it. For this bit I still have to say that you need to learn the difference between "being at fault" and "being a/part of the cause". Don't feel forced to reply, it's totally ok if you don't. It's your time and you decide how to send it.
@Jon M that isn’t true. You don’t understand the psychology of abused women or the dynamics in the relationship. It has nothing to do with security! It has a lot to do with the woman not knowing what love feels like, and actually believing (falsely) that feelings of fear mixed with a desire to be admired/loved is the sensation of “love”. This is usually due to an abusive father or absent father figure resulting in the woman believing sincerely that she is unworthy of love and deserving of the abuse. Abused women believe they are broken no matter how hard they try to be good people. When the man treats her badly she is usually very apologetic and feels responsible. It’s the perfect pairing, as a narcissist (or psychopath) takes no personal responsibility for anything ever, and the abused woman takes responsibility for everything, including the actions of others, and often becomes codependent in her desperate desire to feel loved and worthy by a male figure. It’s very sad and some women never get out of those relationships and then they pass it on to their children.
@Kino Cartoon I'm not saying she's at fault in the legal sense, but it's up to everyone to use common sense. If you start insulting a guy in a gang knowingly and he shoots you, obviously he's the one to be punished by law, but you have a part of responsability. If you don't think so, society has successfully brainwashed you and you can only blame yourself when reality strikes back.
@Random guy with a baseball batte And you my gal just successfully described the difference between being at fault and being a cause.
Being a cause means that whatever you did was part of causing the situation. In your example it was provoking someone who can hurt you.
Being at fault includes being a cause and means you are responsible for the action or event that transpired which in case of harm being done by a person is that actors fault. Aka the guy who hurt the other guy for the insults in still responsibility for that action because he did it.
Another example is that a stalker starts to stalk and harm a person who insulted and laughed at them on the internet. If the person hadn't insulted the stalker this wouldn't have happened and there for they are part of the cause which resulted in the stalkers assault but the stalker was ultimately the person who did the harm and the harmful action making them part of the cause AND responsible for what he does resulting in him being at fault.
That's what I tried to tell you and I hope you get that now.
@Kino Cartoon But if you're a cause on purpose, you're still partly at fault because you actively participated into getting in a dangerous situation.
There's a reason why not many people cry or feel bad for the people who ignore warnings and go do unecessarily dangerous stuff like going into underwater caves that are known to have 200+ body count including professionnals and have signs all over the place describing how dangerous and forbidden it is, despite being an amateur. Why is it different here ? Because the killer is human ? For me, they're all at fault.
He genuinely believes he deserves to be let go because he was justified in his rage. What a sense of entitlement. What cruelty and disregard for human life.
Nah that was just an act. He does genuinely think that everybody's stupid tho and thought he could get away with murder. Had he got away he would've taken pleasure by getting away with something he knew he shouldn't have.
@Alex Rodriguez its just an act based on what? He reeks of entitlement from the first couple minutes of this video and it gets progressively worse, Im not sure how he could be acting when the only acting he did was pretending he saw anything resembling a weapon and pretending the kids did anything threatening to him.
@Jon Evans Saying that he's not acting is implying that he genuinely believes he did nothing wrong, but that's not the case otherwise he would've called the cops right away and not changed the story from kids to men multuple times.
@Michael Morrison is lebron white😂. if you actually follow him you’ll see him post the struggles he deals with being black in the us. try another person
@Michael Morrison Like saying there are no straight lines. In reality, sure, you're right. In nature, yeah, you can't find a single straight line, as described by x=y, etc. But they DO exist—in our minds. Just like how, whether or not there's a gene for whiteness, the concept still undeniably plays a huge role in almost every society on Earth.
@GreedEU they didn't help him because he didn't give them a leg to stand on there was nothing they could do or say to help him... It was that blatant why would this man go through all this if he didn't think it could work?
Eh I mean she did stay with that pos for at least a day before and that’s odd to me. Not very honorable in my opinion. She shouldn’t have ever gotten in the car or at least got away and called police after the incident
So many people here triggered by the word "hero." I guess they expected her to jump out, tackle him to the ground and grab the gun? Really though, when so many people in her position would lie to try to help the person they were with, she did the right thing and told the truth to the cops. I give her credit for at least being honorable in a world where so many people are not.
I'm just amazed by how many people think that betraying your family is the right thing to do. You even have literal laws that exonerate people from testifying against their husband or wife. If your son shot someone dead would you go to the police and turn him in? Because it's the right and honorable thing to do and the world would be a better place and society would thank you very much for this?
@Nurmi Koil I'm sorry, but are you saying she should have stood by a murderer? I love my family and I would be absolutely heartbroken if any of them did this, but I know I my pain wouldn't be as bad as the other family's if they had their loved one ripped away from them in such a brutal and cold blooded manner. I find it extremely disturbing how you would willingly cover for a murderer just because they are a loved one
@Stephen Dedalus Jusy because someone is emotional does not make her any less honorable. The fact that she stood against the love of her life after such a traumatizing event is admirable itself. Unfortunately many people will lie for their loved ones either out of fear of losing them or fear of being abused or killed by them. There are a lot of true crime videos and podcasts that cover cases like that and it is absolutely gut wrenching.
@Sven S. Standing by your man during financial, health, and relationship trials yes. Standing by him after he shot at teenagers, killing one of them in the process, absolutely not.
When you watch her full interview she is paranoid about being charged with a crime herself, especially for leaving the scene and not calling the police.
The detectives then get her to take the same oath you would in court to corroborate her statement in the interview.
During the trial she never contradicts her statement in the police interview. I wonder if she was worried she would be found in contempt of court or some kind of criminal charge for contradiction of an earlier statement.
As consequently, Micheal Dunn suggests in letters to Rhonda after her interview to state facts that he hadnt mentioned to her before his arrest.
@Nicholas Jarvis It can be so easy to want to lie to the police in that situation because you know instead of dealing with them being pissed when you're home they will be doting over the fact that you had their back, and ultimately you are going home with that person. Im like 10 min in and I can already see how toxic their relationship is. Cool that you saw she was scared of him, I think you are right I'm sure she knew it was him almost immediately.
@Sven S. I agree about sticking by your man in all times, but I don't know about these two, we are only getting a glimpse of a night that he flew off the rail and got caught. Who knows what other violent outbursts he has had in the privacy of their home. She seems so timid probably because the dude was abusive in some way or another. That said, I don't view her as a hero per se, but at least she didn't lie for his sorry ass. A 17 year old is dead because why? That's just so sad.
@ScheezyTV she stood against her fiance and told the truth, she recognised that he had killed a 17 year old for no good reason and instead of defending him like so many others have done (Chris Watt's mother for example, he killed both of her granddaughters and her daughter in law for his new mistress) she shopped him. She is both a better person and braver than you ever will be, have fun sitting behind your screen throwing insults.
@Nurmi Koil well maybe his lawyer should have moved to exclude “spousal” evidence from court... rhonda’s job as a witness is to tell he truth. He sounds like he got a shitty lawyer
@ScheezyTV this man was clearly not a good man. He has extremely arrogant, narcissistic and showed sociopathic behaviour. She was probably subject to forms of manipulation and narcissistic behaviour in the relationship, and she most likely is insecure or something else to agree to be in a relationship with this man. On top of that, she was called up in front of the whole public to basically go against her fiancé and contribute to his life sentence, right in front of him. In combination with the pressure, manipulation, and other factors, it’s very likely she could have cracked and lied for him. Instead she told the truth. She’s not a knight in shining armour but I have respect for this
@Agey bb if your fiancé said “get in the car” all hysterically i guarantee you’d jump in the car too. this was her fiancé, most wouldn’t come forward at all so no need to be rude.
I think the hero is Tommy. The man who reversed, quick thinking to try and save himself and friends. This whole story is terrible, a life lost because you don’t like the music someone is playing? Evilness, after just attending his own SONS wedding. He would so carelessly take a child’s life away like that.
@djcsr Its good to see that the amount of like actually makes sense on this thread. Some people just are born to be against and that's it. kudos to the lady, she was shaking, probably thinking that in this wicked world, there was a possibility for him to walk away from this and his shadow would prey on her as she already had witness. If you follow this channel, you now that are monsters out there that trick the system or are just in luck, sometimes with the most absurd timings in history, and they just keep plaguing our world...
@Agey bb I mean, she didn't know what happened. Drejka just drove off. Why would she stay and call the police on whose behalf? She didn't know what happened. She didn't even initially know it was her fiance who fired the shots.
@Nurmi Koil apparently these heroic people would. At least that's what I would expect from them seeing they seem to love to profess that they're so unbiasedly moral.
Hope they are no longer engaged... He doesn't deserve this woman filled with integrity. Plus, their relationship may turn a bit toxic with a constant mindset like "I'm in jail right not because you didn't lie for me."
as if he wasn't racist or doing dumb shit before that incident. who tf would date this guy? i don't think she's a hero at all. just someone trying to keep themselves out of trouble
@Press Play it's a free country and she could've left him a long time ago.. Yeah their relationship was probably not going good and this was the perfect opportunity to get rid of him and keep his shit
@Agey bb he convinced her that they were trying to take his life.. I'm curious how that falls on her for staying with her significant other who just claimed to almost be murdered after SHE suggested to pull into the gas station
@Agey bb bruh of course she’s gonna get in the car with the guy she had known for over 4 years and was her Fiancé! She had no idea what happened so there’s nothing dishonorable with her getting into the car of her significant other and asking what happened. Are you just purposefully not thinking logically?
@Oznem Derks I certainly hope not-- and you're right about the consequences. However, my comment was aimed more at the opinions expressed here that she should have. I suppose we should remember that the YouTube comments section is filled with 14-year-olds ;)
she is just a normal honest woman who in her life endured unfair treatment of "strong" as*holes she always pick as a partner. This time she finally met one that "has a heart and is such good guy"...she was finally happy. Too bad for her...he "was a victim his whole life" type of asshole with complexes in him.... So she once again...ended up as a loser in all this. This type of women who pick always the wrong guy....and this kind of "victim" white boys who "always did what is right and once they tried to do it different they pay for it....so unfair." Are on every corner.. No heroes.......just people
The guy's entitlement mentality is sickening. He said "I'm the victim here" wtf? You just killed an unarmed teenager and you still had the guts to say these kind of thing?
@Suzy Rottencrotch But, the killer did not get away with the crime. He is being punished. You need to get used to criminals being locked up for a long time. Both parties had fault and both parties messed up their lives royally.
@amethyst light How was he being punished if he cost the United States taxpayer $36,000 a year just to keep him in jail and he’s doing Fentanyl the entire time
Well to be fair he's a POS but I genuinely think he believed they were armed at that point. The crime is not so much in the specific incident and the resulting tragedy, but rather that he harbored the mentality that led to the incident for apparently the better part of 45 years.
@Suzy Rottencrotch so you'd be ok with it if you or someone close to you was murdered, once again, MURDERED, for playing country or whatever you listen to, loudly, in your own damn car? Didn't think so.
@eggpearman he didn’t think that they were armed. it was a cop out, he lengthened the time of their probably 20 second exchange to make it seem like there was time for a weapon to be flashed when in reality all that happened was the boy saying “Yeah i’m talking to you “ them the guy started shooting. he didn’t fear for his life he just thought he could get away with killing some black kids.
@Renee To be fair, there is no evidence of this being race related. I think what the guy did was horrible, but we really should stop assuming something is race related just because it involves a white guy and a black guy.
@H Hasslinger He might not consciously be thinking "they're black so they're subhuman", but it's very clear that he had a prejudicial judgement of the people he was shooting at. He literally called them "animals", that their music was "thug music", etc.
You don't pull a gun on someone for saying "yeah, I'm talking to you" and playing loud music unless you have a very strong hatred for that person already, and considering that they were strangers, had barely done anything to him, and Dunn wasn't really going through much that might've been frustrating him, racism is pretty much the only motivation that makes any sense as a potential trigger. He believed the man he murdered was a "thug", not a person, and genuinely didn't understand why he was being punished.
You're wrong. That's not mentality sick... Almost everyone in the world tries the "i'm the victim here"... Just look at feminism, blm, marroc vs spain, cuba or venezuela vs usa, employe vs boss.
@DarthVaderReviews It was thug music, and he probably called them animals because they were playing the music very loudly, and also because it was thug music. It doesn't have anything to do with them being black. That being said, it was absolutely horrible what he did.
@Suzy Rottencrotch how does loud music for the short duration your next to each other fuck up anyone’s day? If you music you don’t like is being played and it fucks up your day then you need therapy for unresolved issues you may or may not know about.
@H Hasslinger If your response is "but yeah, it is thug music" and then say calling someone an animal for playing loud music you consider thuggish seems like a reasonable enough train of thought that involves zero racism... MAYBE you should take a look in the mirror.
His entitlement comes from him even thinking he can ask someone else to turn their music down. Most people would just shut up and deal with it because it is only a temporary encounter. He needed to be obeyed.
@DarthVaderReviews Did you ever listen to the song? It definitely is thug music. I think we can both agree on that. Also, while everyone has their own opinion on people playing ridiculously loud, thuggish music, the fact that he probably called them animals more than likely had to do with that. Is it a "black" trait to play unnecessarily loud thug music? Of course not, it's a ghetto trait. Bottom line is that it's not racist to dislike thug music, or to be very bothered by people playing loud music in their cars.
@3a3a3a that is a rather short comment and I'm wondering what you mean by it because I don't know which video you look at but the victims looked young to me if I didn't know who they were or hadn't heard the news story I would have assumed they were between the ages of possibly 16 to 22. So I'm not sure what you're trying to state are you in some warped way trying to defend the complete psychopath that murdered that young man?
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@Sean Kelly I don't think it's worrying to want evidence if someone claims racism. It would be wrong if a black man was falsely accused of racism just because the person he killed was white and because the people had a feeling it was racist without proof. It should be the same the other way around. In those letters, he never fully explained that he hates black people. He mentioned that almost everyone in the prison with him were black and that they were all thugs. Most likely its because of the whole way race works in prison. Most inmates group up by race, so he was probably treated badly. That being said, I dont feel bad for him at all, he absolutely deserves it. I'm just saying that there is no proof that he is racist. If it were racially motivated, then he would have been convicted of a hate crime.
Some of the analysis seemed a little off.. just because he called them kids during the interview and then described how he thought they were adults during the altercation doesn’t disprove his initial thinking, he likely at that point had the benefit of knowing they were adolescents by the time that interview occurred.. also, I don’t think the jury saw the emotional breakdown on the stand as 100% methodical, He did ultimately lose everything he loved, don’t think it was that malicious.. nevertheless fuck him lol Edit - also love this channel usually the analysis is spot on just two parts I had second thoughts about on this analysis.
You're not necessary wrong but this is exactly why you never ever talk to the police without a lawyer. They're not joking when they say "anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law".
The police are never your friends, they're building a case against you at all times. Every single word you say matters in an interrogation room.
I feel bad for the kids that were shot up because some deranged psychopath that thinks he is Clint Eastwood that can bark orders for people to turn off their music. The victims families and the Wife of Dunn because she knows what happened and had to testify against her husband.
I don't know how PC this is, but the psychological tactic of having an African American, successful, fluent detective interrogate a racist goes unmentioned. It's also smart.
I wish humans weren't so weak or proud or prejudicial or anything bad for that matter. Imagine how hard it is to be an errorless and clean human 24x7x365 for each one of us. Why can't we get rid of "the bad ourselves" ever? Feels so grossly sad for the kid who got to see only that much of the world and life as a whole. It's painful to see Rhonda's dreams shattered too but she sacrificed it all for honesty. All just because of a human being falling into the trap of prejudice and ego. I wish Rhonda all the very best in life and sincerely hope that she's moved past that nightmare. Respect and love to you, ma'am. 🙏🏻
I really love these videos, but most of the interviews are of people who were convicted and are guilty. I was wondering if you guys could analyze the interview of someone innocent and how they figured that out. Thanks!
There was one. I think it was from Canada, where police made up a bunch of stuff and pulled in some guy that got off a bus (and didn't know what happened). They tried all the techniques, nothing worked. When they lied and said they had the tape, he responded by saying he wanted to see it. He was in jail for some time for no reason and sued the police/government, too. I think the perp the police were looking for was light skinned, but they arrested a dark skinned guy.
There’s a show on Netflix that is like these videos but it’s when innocent people admit to a crime they didn’t commit because of interrogation tactics. The episodes get me mad because I don’t understand how people say things they didn’t do (one as serious as “I shot him with a shotgun several times”, the guy didn’t do it, but had minor mental problems)
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Joe 6302020-02-21 04:25:27 (edited 2020-02-21 04:26:02 )
@Dogbert There's also that particularly brutal "interrogation" where the cops basically dragged a homicide survivor from his gf's home (where his girlfriend's ex - and the ex's dad - shot the both of them at point blank) to the interrogation room while he still had a bullet lodged in his brain. Still can't get through that one all the way.
Oh god now I see this comment on every videos of jcs just buy a membership on patreon if u want more content there are some videos of innocents people’s
They did a couple of those! There’s one awhile back of a guy who him and his gf were shot by her ex. They drag this poor SOB in and interview him as a suspect of an attempted murder suicide WHILE he has a bullet home in his face and they act like it’s suspicious that he can’t answer questions with a brain injury it is SO frustrating
Well, convicted yes! It's possible some years hence some of these will be shown to be innocent (probably not this one!). We are seeing the same "facts" as the jury/prosecutors, not necessarily the true story
Julio Chavez Casanova yeah you only need to pay 1$ a month though to view the content and honestly it’s worth it! YouTube wouldn’t allow the video to be public I think because honestly this particular video I mentioned was really disturbing in a different way than the convicted murderers. It’s just heart breaking seeing someone suffer and be falsely accused of something
Watch the interview of Ben J from the band New Boyz where he talks about killing a man in self defense. it's up on youtube. Theres a case of a guy who killed someone in a life or death situation, and was traumatized by it. Emotions aside, all the story telling beats are totally different.
I know of 2. Get on Patreon. One a kid who had been shot in the face was being interviwed as a suspect. Took the detectives a while to realize his mumbling and weird behavior was because he was a victim. Another was of a mom who lost her child and the detectives dug into her because she was too logical and not emotional enough.
@Jane Smith I don't know if it's the same one you're talking about, but there's also a 17 year old girl accused of killing her newborn baby because her little brother died like 10 years earlier. And a new widow who gets screamed at over her husband's suicide. And the college boy who's accused of killing his girlfriend even though he has a solid alibi (the guy who goes "check everything, please, check everything.") Can you tell I watch these videos too much...
@clovery i know the ones you are talking about. Im not sure the Asian girl was innocent but i suppose it is unfair to blame her childs death on her because another baby died in her care . Sad stories.
@Kenneth Bush yeah just like it didn't work in Australia or the UK or any and every other nation that doesn't have guns. The casual "so" reply to a statement about a young man's loss of life is unbelievable in its callousness
@void_minis i see what i see because i live here, you hear what you hear because you dont, unfortunately any freedoms given to a large amount of ppl will be met with consequences, gang on gang violence is the majority of gun related deaths and i dont give a damn what they do to each other, its not the guns its the cultural united states thats the issue, lots of countries whos right to be armed is allowed do not face the issues we face, our country is full of hate and fear among our people and the fact that im able to own such things is a blessing for me, i will not give up my right for tue wrong doings of others, our justice system has allowed serious crime to be dealt with in a petty way, the "so" was a challenge for you to reply not a disrespect to the victim
@Kenneth Bush hahaha yes sir.. the facts of my country make my point invalid after your long rant about your country earlier I find that highly amusing. Congratulations on perpetuating the idea the Americans can't take criticism or hear another's points. "My rights are what matters" trumps all I guess
he still thinks he has a chance to get out, he that convinced hes a hero. he expects people to believe it his way, and for the charges to be dropped. typical for these kinda of people
He's not bragging about his gun skills.....he's trying to come off as a proficient, trained gun handler that has training and he was just following some kind of protocol or procedure as a result of having military friends that show him stuff. He's also trying to find affinity with the officers because they are trained gun handlers, who follow procedures from training. It's an attempt to appear emotionally detached and analytically following some taught protocol, in order to detract thought from that he might have fired in anger.
I felt so bad for her. Worse for the young man who died. This jackass destroyed two people that day. I'm sure his friends are still traumatized as well.
The first hidden story is using an excuse of walking the dog to leave his son's wedding early. It's his dog's fault that he's an arse. He had to be in control at all times, and nobody else matters at all, any time.
@Scott Alderson Where did you hear that? I think you're mistaken. I did an extensive Google search and found nothing about her death, from suicide or otherwise.
@Unfettered One Like does not always attract like. It would be nice if that were the case, but it's simply not true. There are nice, selfless people who date selfish assholes, insecure people who date narcissists, violent people who date peaceful people, and honest people who date liars. Lots of people end up with people who aren't them, and don't hold the same values. Love can blind people to who a person really is, and often people don't find out who their partner really is until they learn the hard way. It sucks, but it happens.
This woman is clearly not like the man that she was about to marry. Her testimony contradicted his and helped convict him. She is obviously an honest person, who was distraught at his actions.
@Just Another Happy Humanist Sorry if I offended u.Listen,I am Black.I followed this case probably more than anyone else.Its beyond sad.I wanted to make people laugh instead of cry. This case was about racism and hatred.My comedy has an underlying message in it which I hope one day can bridge gaps,no matter how small.If I offended u,that was not my intent.Comics cope in different ways.
yall are exactly right unfortunately and unsurprisingly. a neighbor stated to investigators he had witnessed dunn physically abuse his ex-wives, even said he had held a gun to one of their heads at some point and threatened at least 2 with deportation. all alleged of course but i mean. this guy's behavior and the way he talks speaks for itself
Javagirl69 that's what I was thinking too that she could of pissed him off years later after they got married and he could of murdered her too. Hopefully she realizes this and doesn't stay with him. As far as we know, she hasn't broken up with him or has she?
Toyoka they weren’t super lucky. They watched their friend get shot and bleed out in under a minute.
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Jason Mitchell2020-04-11 21:41:06 (edited 2020-04-11 21:44:54 )
Not really.....Hes a socio path as am i...So I can break it down for u...Just cause he shows no compassion for others, does not mean he didn't love her!!!! The love of a socio path is genuinely stronger than tht of a normal individual......
I wonder if he abused her behind closed doors.... Or if he had like split personalities that he was able to hide for four years years without her realizing who he truly was...
I don‘t see why everyone is blaming Mr. Dunn!!! The fact that these guys don‘t have a rap sheet is mere chance and the outcome could be completely otherwise!!! See Nathan Potter and propably thousands of others. White lives matter, too👏🏻👍🏻🤷🏻♀️
@Pink and Black Girl I don't think she's a simpleton (she's a nurse for one thing); I can image her being a codependent, though, trying to fix Dunne.
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Michael Fleming2020-08-13 16:11:24 (edited 2020-08-13 16:14:06 )
R He was declared “broke” at the trial. And murder cases like these will put even rich celebrities in the poorhouse, let alone an average guy like this. The legal counsel on this type of case is an enormous expense and typically guys like this will liquidate their assets (often including land and property) to put up the money to hire quality representation.
She's gotta be racked with guilt though from suggesting they stop at the gas station. Like, obviously she had no idea that would happen, but "what if" you know?
poor rhonda could have been playing out the patriarchal relationship she had growing up, she may have worshipped a trash father as a girl and recreated that by agreeing to marry dunn, a racist coward who wanted to kill.
@TheUpwardbound1 my first thought when she started to talk about all this is she been beaten down by him, physically or mentally. Its not hard to see when its happened to you. Its really easy to spot.
I wonder, had Rhonda decided to cover for him by lying on the stand and to cops, but the cops got to the truth anyway which I’m sure they wouldve. Would they have charged her with something? I really don’t know anything about this kind of stuff
Were she to lie and the police could prove it, she'd likely be charged for a crime, yes. Lying under oath, obstruction of justice, something like that. It's a crime to lie during a police interview or during a court testimony.
It’s crazy how this mans brain concocted this situation in his head to rationalize his actions towards a group of kids. Not only is his ego too large to accept that it was him that created this situation, but it also couldn’t let him feel remorse for the kids in the situation. They will never be more than thugs and therefore they can only be a threat and aren’t worth sympathy. He wasn’t worried cause he genuinely thought that he did NOTHING wrong.
Nah he knew what he did- was just in guilty denial trying to get his defence straight in his head. But yea a good lesson for kids in a country where anyone can be holding at any time
@Love Givens "On another note I thought the word concocted was obsolete..." 😂 I'm not sure why I found your comment as hysterically funny as I did...but I did. Thanks I needed a laugh after this video...
BTW If you hung around my house when I was a teen you would have heard that word more than a few times coming from my mom, usually towards me and my brother or friends "I don't know what story you guys concocted now but..." tee hee
Plus, I would like to say to Miss Rhonda, you're a GOOD woman. He just knew that you were going to lie for him? Boy, he didn't know you very well? So, Miss Rhonda, don't let this BUM interfere with the rest of your life. You'll find the perfect man for you.
Oh don't bet on it. She knew she could get in deep trouble herself as an accessory after the fact if she gave perjured evidence. You can bet on altruism, I'll go with self-interest.
Dang I'm 70, those were kids, shooting kids for loud music hope they never let him out. I'm a believer of owning guns. But dang anyone misues them should never get out of jail.
Yeah I can see how someone can threaten your life and one react, but he left and didn’t call the police to report any of this. He figured “phew I just prevented myself from getting murdered, let me go on about my life like it didn’t happen”.
seriously, it's nuts. And I'm sure more than a few people watching this WILL commit crimes in their life that put them in this situation, and they'll know exactly what not to do. It's interesting to think about.
Lots of people think the police will assume guilt if you lawyer up, so they think if they talk without a lawyer itll present an innocence.... but the police bank on that . Props to these detectives.
moonasha they’ll likely still talk to the police anyways. Part of the reason this stuff works is because the criminal wants to seem like the good guy. They want to convince the police that they’re wrong. It’d do them much better to shut up. It’s easy to talk theory until ours the one in the hot seat.
In the UK you CANNOT be interrogated without a legal representative in the room ... Watching all the American footage contained on youtube is strange to see ...
@Martyn Stembridge they are not being interrogated they are mostly in there for voluntary interviews and either think they can out smart the detectives or too dumb to ask for a lawyer.
Calvin what do you mean that’s what the name means? “Jim Can’t Swim” is analogy for someone being out of their depth in an interrogation? Do you have evidence for this revelation or is that just your interpretation? Either way I’m into it.
When I was looking at 91 to life the investigators twisted my words around. During trial the D.A. Even the judge you could see the lies continued but still they pressed on hoping to win on lies! I won my case, she got to walk free.
LostInPA Chris watts thought he was so slick he could fool a lie detector and then get away with lying about lying. No limit to a narcissist’s stupidity.
@moonasha It's a shame that it tends to be people with low intelligence or have a physiological conditions that end up getting taken advantage of because they don't realise.
It's so weird to me that this is what you got from this one? Like with an attorney right away chances are this guy would have gotten away with murdering a 17 year old boy... I'm glad this idiot didn't think to call one.
Yup, if you’re innocent you have nothing to worry about. If your guilty, only the evidence will dig your grave. A child rapist stayed quite but tried tucking his hands in his sleeves and arms because they identified him through his hands in a video he made.
By the time you are sitting in front of the police, they already know you did it, they just want the icing on the cake. When you are sitting there, knowing they got you, it human nature to try and at least spin the circumstances. I cant figure out why this is the case, but I see it all the time. RE: The Norfolk 5, all confessed to the murder, and none of them actually did it. The first move, is to fail a fake polygraph.
He has a video on that on patreon. There are circumstances where requesting an attorney during police questioning leads to further suspicion and possibly them focusing the investigation on you
@Kornelija EarthlingIt's hard to believe, but Dunn's first trial was a mistrial on the first degree murder charge because the jury couldn't come to an agreement (they had an easier time with the three counts of attempted murder) despite the overwhelming evidence. The lawyer did a good enough job laying on the 'stand your ground' rhetoric to sow doubt. Lawyers can be instrumental in getting both innocent and guilty people off the hook. And these things can be close shaves.
noctis nox loud music is equal to a use the force where you end up taking a life?? Uhm nahhh this episode should be called “ man wants a fight thinks he is the big gun ( pun intended) on the street wanted any excuse to use the gun” this dude is ridiculous!
@Martyn Stembridge Since when? I've seen many videos of suspects in the UK being questioned without a lawyer. To be fair though, those UK suspects are smart enough to keep their mouth shut most of the time. Literally... the cops will keep asking questions & the suspect will just sit through it without ever answering, or they'll just say "no comment".
The dude was stupid enough to open fire on a 17 year old kid over MUSIC, but it's the fact he talks to police that get you ticked off? Got it. Fact is, people talk all the time, especially those who think they can get off or know they are about to be arrested and fear and irrational behavior takes over. Just human nature.....
Indeed. However I think it was for the best in this case that Dunn didn't as all he did was incriminate himself more, the detectives let his own arrogance and ignorance play against him and dig his own grave.
@ZuluGaming That is the definition of interrogation. They call it "voluntary interview" to make it sound casual and put you at ease with your guard down. The interrogation starts the minute they ask to speak to you, whether its on your doorstep or in their tiny room. Get a lawyer.
The sad part about that statement is it's so true. While this was an open-and-shut type of case there are situations out there where a naive sometimes it is sent person will talk to the police and the cops will bend their words either way to make them look guilty when they in truth are not and all they had to do was get a lawyer
Bryant Hall However in his case it wouldn’t have made a difference because the scene, his demeanor and witnesses (one of which was his wife) spoke loud and clear
NEVER TALK TO COPS WITHOUT A LAWYER EVEN IF YOUR INNOCENT! -Attorney of Law They can and will use anything against you even if your innocent. You tell a story a little different, catch you in a lie, give info that can implicate you even in the slightest (even if innocent).
Pink and Black Girl I think that person miss typed? I thought it sounded weird too, I think they ment. Entice people into telling on them selves. And then whatch the legal system..........etc? Idk ha ha
@Martyn StembridgeWow that is so nice. It is really unimaginable over here. That you would automatically be given a lawyer. Yet here we are (The USA) thinking we are the country with the most freedom and the most rights. We do actually have a lot of written rights I guess it is just that they are often not respected by law enforcrment and the government.
Seriously, after all these Netflix documentaries and youtube videos, I won't trust cops for shit. The only words out of my mouth is lawyer, and am I under arrest?
Guilty people often don’t want an attorney because they believe it will make them look more guilty. If you’re not in the wrong telling the truth should be enough.
I know it’s not funny but I laughed out loud when I read your comment. I’m so glad that those who were guilty DID, however. In this case ESPECIALLY - poor baby kid. Heartbreaking. It’s now 2020 and I’m watching this with tears in my eyes. #BLM
Thats the point, isnt it, She is gonna leave him, there is no way you can continue to be with someone thats so deep in denial and hasnt lost any arrogance at all .
Actually, that's damn accurate. I learned it firsthand when was falsely accused of a crime several years ago. I had nothing to hide, was not guilty of the crime and had four witnesses who also knew of my innocence and knew it was a bullshit accusation by someone due to revenge because I had rejected them. So I figured why not talk to police. Nothing to hide. Well, the police don't care about innocence. They are looking for a collar and to build a strong case for conviction regardless of any evidence or lack thereof. The officers report on me -- as was revealed in court -- was full of errors and assumptions and mistakes, including not one of the witnesses talked to! They even got my physical description and name wrong. They had a conviction in mind and were indifferent to the facts. Thank goodness my attorney -- which cost me $9,000 -- knew all too well the tactics of cops and also managed to get the accuser's admission that she had lied to police. That attorney's wife was a former police officer. That experience forever changed my blind trust in police. Not to mention the whole system. And rest assured if ever the police ask me to talk to them again, I'll not say a word without an attorney present. It sucks because guilty scumbags are perceived to be the only ones who "lawyer up" whereas in reality the lawyering up is protection from false prosecution due to overzealous police officers indifferent to the evidence.
Facts! I can't believe how many people talk themselves right into charges. It makes the cops job way too easy. If they're good cops/investigators and there's enough evidence, they'll get a conviction whether you have a lawyer or not. The funny thing is, most of these guys that talk themselves into charges could've easily got a lot less time if charged at all had they just had a lawyer during questioning. At the very least they'd have less severe or lower level charges. Had I know what I know now back when I used to get in trouble, I would've had a field day with police. Of course I've also never done anything bad enough to require intense questioning like these guys go through.
But there's definitely an altered prescription charge I could've easily gotten away with had I just kept my mouth shut. It also would've saved me from spending 2 years in jail. 🤣
Oh well, you live and learn. Haven't gotten in trouble since 2012 and don't intend to anytime in the future. Got too much going on now to be fucking up.
I suppose not shooting up random cars couldn't be the answer. How about avoid police contact and confrontations with strangers. Note to self, dont shoot up a teens car bc I dont like the music, duh!!!
"Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law" Not once does it say "Anything you say can and will be used TO HELP you in a court of law"
Everyone should remember that sentence, never ever talk to the police, innocent or not. they dont say "anything you say can and will be used to help you in the court of law", its always to your disadvantage.
Seriously ... Blows my mind. I've never been in trouble with the law other than a few driving tickets when I was younger ... Even I know you don't say a thing to a police officer other than yes sir, no sir and I want my attorney ... Thought that was basic common knowledge ... I mean, the cops even remind you by reading you your Miranda rights before they start interrogating.
More like "Don't be crazy". These people were guilty and it's a good thing they got justice. None of these are examples of "Never talk to the police without an attorney".
Right!! Kept thinking that when he was telling his story. 🤦🏼♀️🤦🏼♀️🤦🏼♀️ Glad Justice was served though even though it’s not enough. My heart breaks for the parents.
I agree. However, in this case ( and many others) im so happy they did....cos asking for a lawyer would probably have got him off....and who needs another gun toting racist walking around????
It depends. Convictions need not be derived from the Defendant's mouth. Indisputable facts are hard to fight. He knew it and decided lie to save his skin. Typical traits of killers like him.
@Kelly Lynch Sure they are. They have been trained how to get a confession, no matter the cost. That's why you keep saying "Lawyer". And why you should NEVER take a polygraph test! Even if you pass it, they will say you failed. I tell people all the time If they as if you'd take it, ask one simple question. "Are they admissible in court?". The answer is "No". Because, they're not. Because, they are unreliable. When they tell you "No", then your reply should be, "Well, there's no reason to take it then," And, keep saying LAWYER!
I was born in Alabama in the 50s rase in ga all my life. I,m 63 year old white man. I still remember what is was like being a young 17 years old teenage. That young kid was killed for no reason at all .loud music. He should have gotten the death penalty. God rest your soul young man. That's so sad murderd because he was black and loud music
If he never spoke the police he might night have been convicted of murder. The contradiction between the interview and trial are too different. Your memory does not get better 14 months later. Game over dude.
@Martyn Stembridge OMG yes you can, I'm from UK n believe me they ask if u want to speak to solicitor they get one on 4n n if u want them in your interview u tell them u want them there or u can say no n you get interviewed without 1 so I don't no where your getting this "they have to interview u with solicitor present" that's just so not true my friend never has been. Just I would think most ppl in UK would be bright enough to "no comment" in a interview. But saying that maybe not lol
I was always a good kid, but my mom told me from a young age to never speak to the police. If I was young and got arrested I was to demand my mom, and as an adult you demand a lawyer. My mom told me that when the police bring you in they will mess with you, and they are never your friend in that situation. These people are so arrogant they think they can outsmart the police.
For a normal person that's a good idea. wise counsel can help you express the facts clearly and concisely and have your right respected.
But these liars cant do that because they are trying to avoid suspicion not jump right in. counsel helps everyone in this scenario. But a liar murderer will want to avoid all that so they will instead try to lie on their own
@Kornelija Earthling Why do you think he would have gotten away with murder? There was at least seven witnesses, and bullet casings that matched his gun. This isn't a cartoon, nobody gets away with that in this country except maybe the police due to qualified immunity
@moonasha ehm I wouldn't be so sure, basically everyone under the law is a crimanal, the legal system is just a huge "jungle", yeah the law is there, but the thing is that nobody knows it (and no, letting it be readable to anyone doesn't solve the issue, as I said before the legal system is a huge jungle, and even the syntax itself is usessly complicated (it is made on purpose)) but even so it is still applied, you cannot just say "oh I didn't know", if the laws weren't not a damm wasteyard, well.. most likely we shouldn't have to borrow an avocate at all
But the thing is that in most cases you do need to find someone that is willing to pay to let let those laws to be applied aganist you, and crimes are not just things like drugs, murder, and etx
@AK Man To be fair I think only psychopaths think like that. A normal person in this position would know straight away they were in deep doggy do, and either confess all straight away, or lawyer up. Most of the people in these videos have a superiority complex and genuinely believe they can talk their way out of it.
Then that would have been another story of a white man getting away with the murder of another innocent black person. So it was very fortunate that he did agree to speak without an attorney. This guy is a joke. He gives “his” version of the event, contradicting himself over and over, then when things get real he ask’s, DO I NEED A LAWYER? NO U NEED JESUS. I honestly feel like this guy wouldn’t even have had the balls to comment murder had he been sober. That liquid courage is the worse. He thought they’d believe his story and he’d be free to go. WHAT A DAMN FOOL, SMH.
Exactly,,,, not taking up for him,,,,, but I wonder did he tell her they had a gun and maybe she just didn’t remember,,,,, she seems kind of goofy to me like she is afraid of everything,,,,
His girlfriend went in for two minutes to the shop and he couldn't bear the music for two minutes.. He was so afraid of these guys in a country where everyone can hold a gun, that he dares to complain about their music. This guy is stupid, they could've beaten him up without even owning a gun, even if they were white people. Who the hell he thinks he is to complain about the music in other people's car.
@Stephen Ireland well true. I domt think thats what he meant tho.
If your pulled into this situation and you never killed anyone yet your accused. The police can use thease tricks to make you say you killed them yet you didnt.
Its how some people are wrongly accused to this day. Some will die in prison even tho they never commited the crime.
Pretty much, this interview is the most solid evidence they have, and it's straight from the defendant. The conversation between parties cannot really be verified. Witness 7 is crucial as well.
Literally told my brother yesterday that if this channel teaches me anything it’s this... if I’m ever put in an interrogation room then immediately request council and “Shut the fuck up”
As glad as we are that he didn’t talk with an attorney because he really deserved his verdict,it still is pretty bold for him to not talk with an attorney smh
@moonasha This is why the investigators at first treat the suspect like a witness, and are friendly, and pretending to be on the suspect's side. So when the suspects later realize that they are actually being interrogated, it's already too late.
@Gary Geiser I wish I had watched a video like this/ had somehow known what I didn't know. A factor of great relevance for me at the time, as to why I held trust in the police, is because I have known many of them, as a result of my parents and family members, some of whom are cops. Anyway, thanks for the link to this video. Going to have my adult sons and teenage son watch this
OMG! YES ! I have a son who is an atty, a son who was Chief of police of a very large city, a son in law policeman.......THEY ALL SAY.......don't talk to police, Call an atty, call an atty, call an atty.......🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️
Seems like this whole comment thread thinks the detectives and police force are all evil manipulating scum when they just doing there job lmfao. The guy was guilty, killed a boy and everyone like “he should of got an attorney”
Also, "When your attorney tells you not to testify in your own defense, listen to him." "Clear and Present Danger" lol, what an arrogant narcissist. He not only thinks thinks he is in a movie, he thinks he is Harrison Ford.
THIS!!!!!! I am dumbfounded at how all of these people willingly spill their guts to the detectives. Absolutely not! Even if you truly believe you did nothing wrong, and maybe you didn’t, but get a lawyer first.
Especially in an actual self defense case. You can easily incriminate yourself and become wrongfully imprisoned. This guy wasn't defending himself though.
Something is off with him - besides being a racist entitled narcissist. His monotone speech and peculiar tone and body language was weird. He doesn’t seem very “present”. Seems like a sociopath to me.
"..and I'm like.."live and let live"..." then proceeds to blindly fire into a full vehicle, setting off one barrage of shots, then repositioning and firing again, against unarmed, fleeing kids. so full of sht and nobody buys the nice guy routine for a second
If that gives you chills you'd lose your mind hearing how how gangsters talk about their murders they've committed against each other. Some people are just a little crazier than others. But this behavior is nothing new. Go hangout in the rough parts of Chicago for a weekend. It's scary. There's a world out there that you know nothing about and would shock you
@rodgazinya oh please yes. enlighten us. we totally wanna hear your life story which is harder than anyone else who's ever existed. can we get you a cookie and a security blanket while you regale us with your traumatizing experience?
That statement just shows that he didn’t see Jordan with a gun or weapon. Dunn did this because HE felt disrespected. Can you imagine what he was like as a father? His kid would probably get backhanded for just rolling his eyes.
Rodgazinva got so put in their place they vanished from the discussion. ☺️ like a coward! Stick to what you say or don’t say it. At the very least admit when you’re being an edgelord
@Dont Stalk me How so? Everything he said was factual, there is nothing to add. Just cause you're pissy about your Twitter world being fake doesn't mean he has to respond.
@rodgazinya Gotcha, I will head straight up to the rough parts of Chicago so I can become desensitized and talk down to people who see murder as appalling 👍
@auzziernvdl reminds me of the 911 dude who was mad that the girl who was calling cursed at him. Her friend was literally shot and dying and he said “you know what you can go handle that.” She was only a teenager
Whaaaat I didn’t even make it that far into the interview…. That is crazy. All I know is his wife better not step outta line since he so trigger happy. 🤦🏼♀️
@rodgazinya this guy is probably saying to his "gangster" friends that he grew up on the strets when in reality he grew up in a suburban house with his family and had everything given to him 🤡🤡
@auzziernvdl ur right but i think there’s a bit of a difference between how he was as a father and how he reacted to the victims. he said he hated “the thug music” which leads me to think he only did this because of their race, and since he felt disrespected by them talking back and the fact that they were black he acted that way.
@rodgazinya and the reason they talk about it like that is due to desensitization and PTSD. Sure you don’t hear PTSD being talked about much in the hood, and the reasons for that are a different conversation altogether, but it’s something most gangbangers go through, as well as extensive desensitization from growing up around death/murder. Because at the end of the day, each gangbanger is a regular person just like everyone else, with the same complex emotions and needs. However they end up as a product of their environment, and the way they talk about it (murder) is partially a coping mechanism. If you dehumanize your enemy you won’t have mental or emotional issues when they die. The US military has done this in boot camp & training for centuries, especially during wartime. It’s easier to get thousands of soldiers to pull the trigger, and keep pulling the trigger if they don’t view the target down range as human. And if they don’t view the target as human and view it as almost inanimate, then when they do put a target down, they won’t have any emotional or mental issues to deal with, and can continue to the next target seamlessly. Then when the battle is over and the soldier gets time to breath and reboot, the only thing he’ll think of is “2 targets down, and me and the boys are still alive” instead of “I just took the life of someone just like me, a father/son/brother was just lost by my hands, an entire life just like mine ended, parents/children/siblings/wife just lost a family member, etc”. and having a mental and emotional breakdown.
They talk about it like that for a reason, and it’s not because they’re that different than any other person walking down the street, it’s because that’s the only way people can get by doing what they’re doing.
If I had some dudes threaten to kill me and came at me I'd feel close to no remorse as well. Dudes guilty as sin but remorse is based also on experiences. Non remorse doesnt mean guilt. *edit yeah just saw the 27 minute mark. Dudes a git.
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juan gomez2020-10-14 21:07:48 (edited 2020-10-14 21:24:47 )
@Remorce He was informed that the guy didn't have a weapon, fact that he already knew, that's the reason he's showing no remorse. Thinking he was "going to be attacked" is his delusion he's trying to sell, he went to provoke a situation where he could have the chance of '"teaching those thugs a lesson' and don't forget the context that this happened after Trayvon Martin got killed and the guy who killed him is free.
@juan gomez yup, my response made sense in my head. I didnt express it well enough. To me he was just fed up with kids showing no respect. When the kid said to turn up the radio Dunn snapped. He showed the same lack of respect but thought himself better. That to me is why no remorse. Hopefully that was better worded ;)
@Remorce It's reasonable thinking if you are going to get attack by 4 guys you have the right to defend yourself but this was not the case from the start. The proof of that is the guy who said: "I heard loud music, I didn't like it, I left", meaning if you have the option of leaving then you're not under threat . That tells you the guy went to look for this outcome and even in the case of self defense the law says 'reasonable action' meaning if the guys are fleeing you don't have the right to keep shooting at them because they are not longer a threat to you, only psycho like Dunn might think that's self defense. Last thing: check Dunn's comments about his life in prison, that gives you a good portrait of what kind of guy is this...individual.
Rewatching this for the 15th time, I can’t get over this feeling that it was in some way racially motivated. You’ve got a group of young black men in a car playing loud music and he felt it necessary to unload over 10 bullets over some music? It’s clear they didn’t have a weapon or threaten him so why did he go so far? Would he have done the same to a car full of young white males? I personally don’t think he would
I guarantee you this is not the first time he has done reckless shit with alcohol in his blood. That son probably knew his father was a shithead for many years beforehand.
he killed him for threatening him, not playing loud music, try to keep up with facts and logic and not just your emotions. it's not proven either way that the kid did or didn't have a gun, or that the kid did or didn't threaten to kill him, or that the kid did or didn't pretend he had a gun while threatening to kill him. this case is a lot more nuanced than you're portraying and it's immoral for you to attribute more malice than is evident to the accused, just like in your imaginary scenario of events the accused is wrong for falsely attributing malice to the kid, hypocrite
@Danielle Calderwood i want you to be completely honest here, do you completely trust the police when they are accusing a black person of something? you really accept what the police say as undisputed fact when the accused is black? i'm pretty sure you don't. but now in this case, the cops saying there was no gun = it's fact that there was no gun? i don't care what the cops say is fact, cops can be wrong, evidence and logic determines what is fact, not a supposed authority saying so
@2122 well you can believe in your fictional imaginary reality if you want and continue to derive serotonin responses without merit, i would like you to continue to do that actually. we will see how powerless we respectively are
Talk about wanting to be the center of attention...
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Bay Bee2020-02-21 05:34:00 (edited 2020-02-21 05:34:41 )
Autonomous Thought the INDEPENDENT WITNESS said he heard the defendant YELL “you’re not gonna talk to me like that!!” Is that something you say to someone holding a gun to you? I know I’m just feeding a troll but it’s late and I have nothing better to do. P.S. how’s my grammar? Did I make any mistakes?!
@Autonomous Thought Did we watch the same video? Cause its pretty clear by the evidence that his story doesn't line up with what the other peoples accounts. Also the evidence is also clear that he killed the kid for little to no reason.
@Danielle Calderwood yes it absolutely does matter whether or not the kids antagonized him. if they threatened to kill him and motioned as if they had a gun then it's up for debate if they, or at least the one, deserved to die. he could've not heard what they said for part of the altercation and heard another part. you people are so hysterical it's ridiculous, like just try entertaining the hypothetical that he's innocent before you form your opinion. i'm not justifying his actions, my position isn't even that he should have been found not guilty. i'm unsure on it, my position is that you people are irrationally over confident about his guilt and the kids' innocence. it's a clear sickness in a large section of society whenever it's an issue of white vs black
not just for playing loud music. there was absolutely some kind of underlying racism here. "thug music," violent reaction to a damn teenager getting foolish. absolutely some tricky shit going on with this guy on the race front.
@Autonomous Thought You are the one who believes there was a shotgun when the man leaves the scene and doesn't report the shooting - which is a complete failure when you have a permit to carry.
@Autonomous Thought And by the way - that shotgun conspiracy was started by a man who accidently added that maybe they were dumping a weapon. He signed a sworn statement that he never saw anything the teens had that resembled a shotgun or weapon. The defense lawyer grabbed that and used it. There was no witnesses to it or sworn statements of any kind saying that there was such a weapon. So before you try and make fun of people over logic, you better study the case so that you know where the statements came from. Yours came from a conspiracy.
Alfred Indy I’m sure Autonomous Thought will come up with some really stupid convoluted reason for why he didn’t call the cops afterwards which he’ll insist is completely reasonable. Smh
@Bay Bee My class to get my permit stated upfront - if you are involved in a shooting - you are required to call immediately. If you have to go across the street for safety - that was okay - but you had to call in a.s.a.p.
To be fair - Michael Dunn is a moron and a coward, so I will give him a pass to drive to the hotel. But once in his room - he had to call the police and report the incident. He could then say he was scared for his life and is in his room. He has no excuse for not calling from the hotel. Running is guilt!
Only a racist would tell you that he had the right to not report and drive one hundred miles away from the scene.
@Autonomous Thought I find it interesting to see grammatical errors pointed out, yet there is a clear lack of proper capitalization and punctuation in every one of your comments. I don't mind that at all; I just find it interesting.
Looking at the discussion here, it seems likely that you were biased before the whole story even came out. I understand and have seen unwarranted defense based on race, but this was not one of those cases.
@Autonomous Thought 1. Let's say a shotgun had been dumped. What are the chances it would have been recovered by police? I would guess the area had been searched for evidence and evidently, they hadn't even made it completely out of the parking lot. 2. What reason would the shooter have for getting out of his vehicle to continue shooting while the car was leaving the scene? 3. Even if the kids threatened his life (which doesn't line up with witness statements), he did not clearly see a shotgun by his own admission. Considering no weapons were found in the SUV, logic points toward that part of the story being made up.
It's also fair to keep in mind that we only heard part of the story here in this video. The jury had much more information to consider in making their decision.
@Violet Joy The shotgun conspiracy he sites came from a 911 call where the caller was excited and did not mean that he saw a weapon. The 911 caller signed a sworn statement stating he never saw the teens dispose of anything. That statement was omitted in the courtroom. Using that as his defense after he has lost both a district and a state appeals court appeals - is illogical.
@Violet Joy none of my grammatical "errors" interfere with the coherence of what i'm saying. it also should be obvious that i clearly could capitalize the first letter of a sentence and put a period at the end if i wanted to, i'm clearly just speaking in a casual way that is appropriate for the internet. the same doesn't apply to someone who incorrectly types "it's" instead of "its", "it's" is an extra character, it's less casual, and is clearly an indication of a genuine lack of literacy.
what do you mean i was biased? i genuinely am just trying to analyze the case logically and accurately, and so i'm pointing out clear errors. again, my position isn't even that he should have been found not guilty. i'm honestly morally unclear on that, it's a grey area of morality for me as to what constitutes enough evidence for a claim of self defense. what is clear and not a grey area tho, is that most people commenting on this case are demonstrating an inappropriate level of confidence in the guilt of the accused / the innocence of the kid(s)
@Violet Joy 1. the chances are pretty low if the gun had been dumped. they aren't low however if the gun was actively removed by the kids or someone connected to them. they were in their own neighbourhood and if they were criminally minded people, it would be something they'd probably do. i know people like this and instances similar to this, i know that things like this happen and it's not an unlikely pattern of thought or behaviour if these kids were criminally minded 2. one reason could be that he was expecting return fire if he thought that they had a gun, and wanted to make sure that they did in fact fully flee 3. again, it wouldn't be likely that witnesses would have seen the threats made if they were made, so it's not significant evidence of lack of threats made that there weren't any witnesses to them. if the kid did threaten to kill him and did actively attempt to intimidate the man by pretending he had a gun when he didn't, which is within the realm of possibility (i've actually seen this kind of behaviour in person with my own eyes), then he may actually have a case for self defense. i disagree that logic points to the story being made up. logic only says that we can't conclusively say what happened because we don't know with certainty. some people genuinely behave in the way that is portrayed in the story of the accused, it's really not uncommon
@Tea Noire if he thought they had a gun it makes complete sense that he'd continue to fire at the vehicle to ensure that it continues to drive away and not return fire. sorry if you can't fathom actually defending yourself with lethal force, it isn't always wrong. your response is hysterical gibberish. you can call it "playing devil's advocate" but actually looking at the facts and both sides is the moral thing to do
@Autonomous Thought It is not mentally weak to disregard a conspiracy where the 911 caller signed a sworn statement that he did not see any object leaving the van. It is not mentally weak to that out of three jurors that two juries convicted him, throwing out his shotgun story. It is not mentally weak to consider that he has lost two appeals and that each lose weakens his excuse.
@Violet Joy I forget if I was at that gas station that night or the previous day. You could very easily hide a weapon for a period of time. I do think racism was a motivating factor in this, but in Florida if you go out you come across black people, I'm sure this was a daily occurrence for this guy, why did he wait so long to commit this "hate crime"? Almost as if, real or perceived, in this instance he feared for his life. This is a well lit, rather nice gas station that backs up to a gated community, not the type of place where you would "finally have a chance". Would that kid be alive if he hadn't acted like an asshole? Yes. Do I believe he should be in jail in 2020? No, he did not plan this and I believe he was fearful, the average rapist serves less than 4 years and you have to try to make that happen. This guy is an example of man bites dog, white guy kills a black teen, so he got punished. Murder 3 people set the car on fire and don't cooperate, I doubt you get even 15 years, assuming all victims and perpetrators are black. He got punished for a narrative(and cooperation) (EDIT) That said a 10 year sentence, serve 2/3 would've been appropriate in my opinion. Also we, as a nation, need to punish rapists much more severely.
@Alfred Indy uh, i didn't call disbelief mentally weak, i clearly called forming beliefs in unproven things mentally weak. none of what you said is conclusive proof that there was no shotgun
@Autonomous Thought Nothing Dunn said conclusive proof that there was a shotgun! And my opinion is more sound than yours because the one witness walking out to his car right before Dunn started shooting, stated on the witness stand - he said nothing in the van that resembled a shotgun in the hands of the teens. That is 100 percent more creditable than a slip on a 911 call where the caller signed a sworn statement than he did not see the teens disposing of a weapon.
If Dunn had anything to prove a possibility of a shotgun one of his appeal attempts would have at least heard his case. No courts have granted him a retrial.
@Alfred Indy my claim isn't that there was a shotgun. i never said there was conclusive proof that there was a shotgun. my position is that it's not a fact that there was no shotgun. how are you struggling this? me saying it's not a fact that there was no shotgun =/= me saying it's fact that there was a shotgun
@Autonomous Thought I am struggling because this case proved (along with two failed appeals) that this wasn't self-defense. If there was a shotgun then that would change the conviction. Did Michael Dunn carry the shotgun away in his rectum? The witness who saw the van stop swore - no gun. The people at the gas station swore - no gun. So the only logical theory is - that Michael Dunn sat on the shotgun and forgot it was there. Under your logic that is a possibility.
@Autonomous Thought You keep using the phrase "irrational and immoral". Why? What makes an argument "immoral"? What is morality to you? You should avoid using such subjective language if you're attempting to make an argument from objectivity. What you've argued so far isn't compelling. There was enough evidence from the interrogation, the witnesses, and the crime scene itself to make a case for the suspect's motive. Rejecting evidence is irrational.
@Samuel David there definitely isn't substantial evidence, what are you talking about? and what a completely nonsensical thing to say. what i'm calling immoral is objectively immoral, as long as you subjectively agree that adhering to truth is better than not adhering to truth. you disagree on that subjective premise? you think questioning that subjective premise is actually a substantial argument? are you new to thinking about morality? cuz literally everything else you said to me implies that you agree that adhering to truth is superior to not adhering to truth, although maybe not, because you are pretty bad at it
@Filip Raos no, if you had a 3 digit IQ you'd be able to read and think properly, and you'd realize that my position isn't that i believe him. it's that there isn't proof of what is being claimed either way
@Autonomous Thought you are just arguing for the sake of arguing.
You keep saying how there is a small chance that his actions were justified. And sure, thats true. nobody is saying that there was no chance in hell that hes innocent. BUT you dont have to point that out, its like saying that the sky is blue and then acting intelectually superior because of it. There is a possiblity for anything , thats a logical point of view that all sane people share. But nobody points that out cause its a given.
Also, most of the people, including me, are replying to your opening statement: "he killed him for threatening him, not playing loud music, try to keep up with facts and logic and not just your emotions" which is different from arguing a slight possiblity that his actions are justified. Enjoy living on your high horse, you are up for a bumpy ride if you act like this in real life. Best of luck
Autonomous thought you are stating succinctly what I am thinking. Police lie during interrogations purposely to pump info and confessions out of people. He very well could have believed there was a shotgun—seems very a reasonable conclusion. The other witnesses may not have heard death threats from their vantage points. And just because these young men had no records doesn’t mean they have stellar character. They were behaving less than stellar, in fact. They weren’t exactly choir boys. And about the point, did the 17 year old “deserve” to die? I guess I want to say, Don’t tempt fate by threatening another’s life. None of this should have happened. The couple was drunk. Judgment was lessened. Michael is an instigator, and the young men chose to get riled rather than let it go. They could have chosen to ignore Michael. Afterall, a trip to the convenience store is rarely longer than ten minutes. Both of the parties could have ignored one another. Poor Ronda, she just wants some wine to get even more drunk. Maybe she was looking for some action back at the hotel. I hope none of the commenters on this thread ever serve on a jury. Their judgment is clouded by misconceptions of evidence. One point in that regard is that witnesses see something through their own worldview lens. Each person witnesses an event in entirely different ways. They could even be lying for their own purpose. Even video footage is not foolproof because it doesn’t record what happened prior to the recording. Ronda was very convincing in the trial, but she could have been persuaded to say that; after all she’s easily manipulated. It’s all these things together that make a case, not just one thing. I would have to have been in the trial to know if I would pronounce him guilty or not. That’s not possible from my armchair viewing of cherry picked commentary and footage. I see some gray area here; it’s not open and shut. As advice and warning to readers and viewers, I would suggest laying off the rum at parties. Maybe this could have been avoided if he hadn’t been buzzed or even drunk.
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Alfred Indy2020-02-21 16:14:49 (edited 2020-02-21 16:49:35 )
@christine robinson He has lost two appeals, so far. It is safe to say that it is an open and cut case of guilty. Besides, threatening someone (if true) without being an imminent threat is not justification for self-defense. Please review the self-defense and stand your ground laws in Florida for more assistance.
Dunn's past: arrested for DUI, when he was younger; Flying his plane in a restricted airspace and having to be forced down my the military planes. Not a perfect citizen in his past, either.
Rhonda made a sworn statement stating what she said. She could have been prosecuted as being part of the crime. I don't think she was persuaded other than fear of being dragged into fleeing the scene of crime.
The whole trial was on court tv. People are not arm chairing the jury. The jury came to the right decision.
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Brian Davis2020-02-21 18:00:17 (edited 2020-02-21 18:01:57 )
@Autonomous Thought This guy is already unhinged as it is. What makes you think you can just say he was threatened? Or that there was a weapon when it was never proven? They towed the vehicle from the store.. Dude was 6 drinks in maybe more. His ability to make sound judgement was impaired. Not to mention he just went home and ordered a fuckin pizza and took his dog for a walk. And then proceeded to drink himself to sleep.??
Autonomous Thought do you realize there was no gun there? No fun at the scene lol talking about facts and logic meanwhile you’re the one clearly emotional! Funny username btw since it seems u look at things from the lens of your preexisting zeitgeist and worldview, but hey I cud be wrong bout that. I have an open mind for real
@Autonomous Thought you talk about the evidence you didn't see and the testimony you didn't hear .... But the jurors saw and heard the evidence and testimony... And they found him guilty.
So.... There's that?
Look at the possibilities. Look at the evidence. Weigh these things. Judge credibility of the sources. Render a verdict.
Even if the threats occured, which literally nobody but the shooter says happened, the shoot was still not justified self-defence.
When you have to really stretch the bounds and bring in conspiracies and hidden stealth ninjas absconding with evidence in order to cast doubt on the established narrative.... Then the doubt is not reasonable doubt.
@Danielle Calderwood they did leave the parking lot. They "circled around and came back in the parking lot after seeing him leave the parking lot" could have easily dropped a gun somewhere.
@Autonomous Thought Why is it so hard to accept that he is a murderer and there is undeniable proof? Are you insane? You're making yourself look like a clown online.
@Autonomous Thought I agree to a point. I don't know this man's past. Maybe he had been attached or threatened in his past. Maybe that's why he had a gun. I think he may have imagined that the young men were threatening him. He heard what he "wanted" or imagined what they said. So he was scared and reached out of misinformation.
@Alfred Indy rewatch the video the cop told that to the murderer when he explained that he ran away because he thought there could be more people coming
@Sa-Amir el-Hayeed Carry permit class 101: Rule number 1) You are allowed to flee to a safe place but, YOU MUST REPORT ANY SHOOTING THAT YOU ARE INVOLVED IN. I will be generous, and give him to the safety of his hotel room - but after that - it was a fleeing felon. You better read up on firearm training. You cannot wait 24 hours to report a self-defense shooting. You are forced to call right away.
@Alfred Indy I wasn't defending his actions in any way. I was saying that it was possible that the people in the other car could have reasonably left, dropped the gun somewhere and come back to the scene of the crime
@Sa-Amir el-Hayeed If it had been reasonable - he would have not lost his original case and two appeals so far. The fact that he ran and tried to go home never calling the LE speaks volumes for his innocents.
@Taylor Fausett why does it have to be the past? why are you afraid to acknowledge the possibility that they actually threatened him? you people are destroying your society with your fear of seeming racist, it's pathetic and you're deeply immoral
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Alfred Indy2020-02-25 16:10:23 (edited 2020-02-25 16:11:55 )
@Autonomous Thought No, if we followed your lead we would be destroying society by destroying the concept of the jury system. A group of people exactly like Michael Dunn listened to the case and found what he said to be garbage and convicted him. Then two appeals judges found what the District court did to be within the law. Basically you are stating that our system sucks! Maybe you better swallow your ego and conclude that Michael Dunn sucks?
@Alfred Indy that's an irrational conclusion. you don't know what happened but you're acting like you do because of social proof. you're an immoral person. again, my position isn't even that he's not guilty
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Alfred Indy2020-02-26 01:05:36 (edited 2020-02-27 03:56:49 )
@Sa-Amir el-Hayeed What are the key elements you would have seen in this case if there really had been a gun in the van - besides the fact that no one saw the gun in the parking lot, or the fact that Dunn never told Rhonda? First - the teens would have not come back to the scene of the shooting and would have taken Jordan to the emergency. They did not plan to circle back and pretend that they did not have a weapon. That would have taken way too much planning. They reacted like suburban teens who were just assaulted. Second - Dunn would have not used suppression fire and would have got the license number to report the van who tried to shoot him. None of this - I believe Jordan could have had a gun and ditched it - makes any sense. Neither the teens nor Dunn would have reacted the way they did if the teens had a shotgun. Third, who would have retrieved the shotgun from the lot when the teens were all taken in after the incident? Do people not report a shotgun laying in the lot of a strip mall? The whole thing that Dunn claimed is science fiction at best.
Besides, if Dunn got a retrial for the Jordan Davis shooting what would that prove? He would then have to appeal his suppression fire at a fleeing vehicle which was a second conviction and would have to be appealed separately. He still has 20 years to serve on firing into a vehicle.
@Kev Dean Yes, and reoccurring dates of Michael Dunn trying to appeal his case. He has lost two appeal attempts already, but it has to hurt reminding them that the murderer wants his freedom, which means Jordan meant nothing to him.
@Autonomous Thought You are morally against, or at least unconvinced, of the American justice system's intent behind utilizing judges, jury, and witnesses. That or the concept of people having faith in these things.
If the former, would you rather the court cases be managed by a computer? I'm just curious
Autonomous Thought You wrote like 20 replies and all you have to offer are ad hominem attacks, stipulations, and appeals to ignorance. At least brush up on your argumentative skills if you’re going to be a keyboard warrior.
@Autonomous Thought Just Another Happy Humanist did not say this was based on race. She said you guys discount actual evidence in the case, and think that the court system was not fair. Sorry - either put up or shut up - Michael Dunn. You either prove the evidence that Jordan had a gun and disposed of it or you don't have a legitimate case to appeal. Also, Michael Dunn prove to us why you ignored your permit to carry requirement to report your firearm use.
Image the family who have lost a son/daughter bein' shot dead (even their own) by some idiot who was given a gun permit who had no qualms shooting it without critical assessment.... in a public venue 'cause they were intoxicated, were irritated by loud music and a mouthy response and then runs. Sadly, there are plenty of innocent folks who have died at the hands of such idiots.
@catothewiser They weren't thugs, they were teenagers The worlds full of 'em, we're not entitled to shoot 'em cause they are defiant, it's their nature.
Alfred Indy I believe what Autonomous Thought is saying is that we don’t know for certain whether the kids had a gun or not or whether they threatened him or not. But consider this: do wealthy middle-aged software developers just pull a gun and start shooting at a gas station?
@Autonomous Thought How do you imagine an evidence of an absence of a thing would look? You don't prove absence, you prove that there were no evidence for presence.
@Autonomous Thought Tfw his story was contradicted by all parties present, they found no eveidence self-defence, he changed up his story, and was found guilty by his peers and you're trying to defend him with "facts and logic".
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G F2020-07-03 06:45:09 (edited 2020-09-09 16:02:37 )
@Autonomous Thought I’ve got good news for you. Jim didn’t convict this guy, a jury who sat through all the evidence and multiple witness testimony did. So... everything you just said was pointless drivel.
@Autonomous Thought I'm worry abt u dude srsly, a man who's defending another one who KILLED a teenager is just messed up i hope no one get hurt by u in the future .
@J H bro, I don't think it was the alcohol. He seems like the wild west type. Can't say if mattered that they were black( only he really knows) but I'm pretty sure he isn't used to people saying no to him, and I doubt it would've mattered much if they were white. Just another loose cannon with no real empathy for the human race.
Eh, not likely that she remembers it that way, as she told the news back when he was first tried in court that he was a "good man" and that if he had to "defend himself" (against what exactly, I wonder?) he would. Doesn't seem like she thinks he was guilty at all! Idiocy runs in the family
So, Cops are able to do it, Military are able to, etc, etc.. That's also why there's a movement, and that should also be why we start seeing A LOT more Cops finally getting the same JUSTICE that We, as citizens, get!
Oh shit man. Never thought about that. My mother is a murderer also, shenkilled a black man in 1976 on South Beach in Miami. She was able to make bail and ran for 26 years. They caught her in the state of Maine in 2003 and she was released in 2010. She is free living off the tax payers on disability still using racist terminology in the daily rants on FB. I asked her at one point at dinner before I totaly stopped speaking to her and writing to her. Anyway back to question " do you ever feel bad about killing that man?" Her response " I feel bad I got caught." I have no idea why she's out living her life while that man is dead. I feel ashamed of my her and I can't in good conscious be there for her mother or not.
It’s admirable that that people are fighting the good fight with Autonomous Thought but the prosecutor basically already dealt with this. Yes it’s theoretically possible that the neighborhood helped the kids hide the gun, that Dunn got temporary amnesia and forgot to mention it for 24 hours, that he only saw the gun in the split second between saying ‘don’t talk to me like that’ and firing, that the witnesses somehow only heard Dunn’s tantrum and not the kids’ (shouted) death threats, that the kids were actually massive thugs despite all having clean records, etc etc. But beyond reasonable doubt does not require the exclusion of these fanciful possibilities. And if it’s good enough for the Court is certainly not ‘immoral’ for people to be certain of Dunn’s guilt. If you are truly interested in the truth then I think you should consider why you seem to require the proof of Dunn’s guilt beyond all doubt and whether it is you who is seeing things through a distorting racial prism. With the likes of Philando Castile etc can you really say with a straight face that US society is quick to presume and punish white on black violence as some sort of racial reparation?
@Autonomous Thought saying "There isn't evidence that there wasn't a gun" proves that you don't understand evidence. The fact is there was no evidence that there WAS a gun. That's how evidence works.
//Rebecca Dunn, Dunn's daughter, defended her father's story, by her statement during an interview, "He is going to protect himself if he sees no other way than to bring out his gun, then that's what he's going to do." She described Dunn as "a good man. He's not a racist. He's very loving."//
Autonomous Thought He reached into the glove compartment Pulled out a gun Had to put the magazine in the gun Aim And then start firing
In the time it would have taken him to do this they would have been able to shoot atleast once with this magical shotgun
Nevermind the fact that they never stepped out of the car And if he had started shooting at them and they had a shotgun they absolutely would have fired back and tried to flee while doing so because there was multiple of them and one of him
It‘s pretty blatant what you are and what you’re trying to do by clicking on your profile but your little "oh you all are ignoring the possibility and just accepting what the police say" There is no possibility. There was no gun. You don‘t need to accept the police on it, he fires 2 volleys and doesn‘t get fired back at and they wait for him to leave but don‘t shoot the car then for revenge on their friend he shot?
You have to live on the sun for your brain to be fried enough to think that there was even a modicum of a possibility these kids had a gun.
@Autonomous Thought it's irrational to believe the grown ass man shooting a gun at a car load of kids that are DRIVING AWAY FROM HIM is the act of an innocent man. There's literally no reason to shoot when they're trying to get away, there's literally no reason to shoot at the car at all.
He shot at them because he couldn't handle black teenagers talking shit to him. He keeps saying he was threatened and scared but that wasn't true, he was just so angry at them talking back to him that he wanted to kill them.
Based on evidence, the kid that got murdered stayed inside the car the whole time. He just made up a story that they were coming up to him with a weapon and he got scared for his life, when he got arrested, thinking he could fool them that it was self-defense.
@bumpet He was also probably High as well being obviously drunk due to what he drank at the wedding. He was a fan of cocaine as well. Didn't want to get himself in even bigger trouble so he went back to the bed and breakfast, walked the dog, and drank himself to sleep, then proceeded to wake himself up, watch the news of the shooting, and then drive back home. What a sociopath.
@Brian Davis Yes, but I don't think he was intoxicated enough to be seeing things, he just said that story about them advancing on him and the kid having a gun when he was arrested to give his actions an excuse.
He knew where he was shooting, inside the car as the kid never went out. The other shots were probably so he could kill more, but he didn't expect the car to move. Every action he did there was of an aggressor. He must have thought the police were stupid.
@Tea Noire And really there's no evidence that the kid who got shot made ANY threats or did anything at all to contribute to the scene. He couldn't have been turning the music up or down; he was in the back.
After a few miles the horse stopped in the middle of the road and the husband gave the horse a light pop with the whip. The horse kicked and bucked. The man quietly murmured "That's strike one.". A few minutes later the horse stopped again and after a light tap on his hind quarters bucked even more violently. This time the man murmured "That's strike two.". A few minutes later the horse bucked again and the man quietly climbed down from the carriage, pulled out a pistol, and shot the horse dead. His new wife immediately began screaming and yelling and striking the man asking what the hell was wrong with him. The man pocketed his pistol, looked up at his distraught wife, and murmured "That's strike one."
@rustyshack I think the reason he waited so long to commit this “hate crime” is because up until then he had no real reason to. Being drunk could have escalated his inner hatred. Obviously this is just a guess though.
@Autonomous Thought - Are you saying you think the cops set the white boy up to take the fall for a self-defense shooting by saying that the black kids didn’t have a gun when they did?
Autonomous Thought Either way, mind your business. Hearing someone else’s loud music for a few minutes won’t kill you. That’s the problem with this world. Everyone is so sensitive and entitled
@Autonomous Thought the fallacy in your arguments is that they are all speculation without evidence. just like many of your opponents. The issues are 1 How drunk was Dunn 2 just how loud and threatening was the music, loud violent gangsta rap Loud enough that another man deliberately parks away from the SUV can be deliberately disturbing the peace. 3 Was there a real threat a gesture or was Dunn a complete nutter who would commit murder on a simple irritation. 4 what previous evidence is there as to Dunns ability or inability to deal rationally with minor irritations while drinking 5 Just how drunk was he at the wedding and was he offensive at the wedding or not? All these question need to be addressed. Dunn is not going anywhere. But this case is raising way to much heat without anyone trying to get to the bottom of this. That is bad for society as a whole, which is my concern right now not what happens to Dunn. One extreme seems to think he was a closet hater who exploded into a murderous rage after a few drinks with only a mild provocation. The other side seems to say he was seriously threatened with a deadly weapon. Doesn't anybody want to investigate to see what really happened before this causes further violence or is everybody just good and happy stirring up more violence and saying fuck you to both real and imagined opponents?? Just saying. . .. . and by the way people if you have evidence to put up, provide provenance you can see the damage wild speculation does...
@rustyshack That is an important issue this is a middle age( late forties} man. if there was a case of violent racism it surely would have manifested itself before this I have my opinions on his mental state but I will not fuel more wild speculation with conjecture INVESTIGATION is the answer FACTS not speculation HERESAY is not evidence. surely there are some people out there who knew all the people in this and can provide some ACTUAL eveidence.
@Sa-Amir el-Hayeed that is extremely important evidence. Obviously if they did have a gun they would have ditched it. But like the other evidence presented here. provenese reference to trial testimony please.
@johnb66y Please don't mistake three appeals attempts: district, state court of appeals, and state supreme court. Your ignorance is calling three courts judges lying about your imaginary evidence.
He lost all three appeals because he never had a case to begin with. Three courts threw out his appeal. You going to call me a liar when three judges think as I do?
Guilty people run and do not report shootings. Honorable permit carrying gun owners like myself know to move to a safe place and call 911 immediately.
@Alfred Indy I support the innocence project unfortunately winning at trial very much depends how far the establishment is willing to push tings to get the result ot wants
@johnb66y I don't get your point. Appeals courts iron out the flaws of the original trial. I know research attorneys and they go into each appeal with an open mind and research the whole case and whether the suspect was robbed of any rights. They would have found a flaw if there was any possibility that there was a gun involved.
The fact still remains that Michael Dunn never reported the incident to the police, like every permit carrying gun owner knows that you have to do. That alone proves guilt.
@johnb66y " I support the innocence project unfortunately winning at trial very much depends how far the establishment is willing to push tings to get the result ot wants" <=== well then you lose like Michael Dunn did. He has exhausted all his chances at appealing his conviction.
@Autonomous Thought your arguments defeat themselves when you attest motives to others in ad hominem attacks. You have no idea what motivates Alfred Indy and you owe him a apology for the smear.
@Alfred Indy Unfortunatley as the innocence project has found the Jury system is too easily swayed by slick tricks by the proprietorial team and by judges eager to go along to get along. I can sympathize with you that you think this guy was venal, rather than just confused and panicked but he has no record of venality towards blacks. Now this is pure speculation and not evidence but just maybe the guy was so far gone and that the kid was woofing but Dunn read it as a real threat wouldn't be the first time by a long shot. I am just speculating so you can see the possibilities. The fact is I do not think Dunn would have done that if he did not think he was being threatened with a weapon. Now that is just my opinion but it is based upon my experience in life and that I know that people are creatures of habit. Again this case is important enough that all the facts of both Dunn and these Kids should be thoroughly dug up.
@Alfred Indy If i walked down the street and said " I am going to go get my nine and blow you away" I could be ARRESTED AND CONVICTED FOR MAKING A TERRORIST THREAT but if I come into a gas station in a car full of black youths and look mean at people turn the volume up and sing along with the same lyrics and maybe make a few gestures, you are saying that I am now protected because I am just singing and dancing along with the radio?? really ?? Maybe you would like to think about that a little bit!!
@Alfred Indy I would go with the second conviction but not the first I believe the teens well may have woof faked Dunn into believing they had a gun and were going to fire I believe his state of partial inebriation would have contributed to his panicked fire I believe he thought the gun was real. I believe he did not report this because he thought that it would go badly for him. I believe if he had been the murdering racist that he has been portrayed as being that he would have acted out long before his mid forties. My beliefs are based upon logic and the information so far that has be brought forward If you have any Facts that would logically invalidate my beliefs please put them forward.
@Alfred Indy first the state really wanted a guilty verdict to avoid more racial trouble. That is incontrovertible. Second appeals courts are not allowed to change jury verdicts by reassessing facts. The jury found willful homicide and rejected self defense. The appeals court could only overturn that if Rhonda gave evidence to appeals that she had been coerced into testimony by the police threat which she did not . Third 90 years was absurd there was no premeditation and there was probable provocation. The sentence was a sop to the black community upset about black racism. The Power structure does that a lot. fourth IF as you said his entire record was a youthful DUI and a bust of restricted airspace which is not even a criminal offense unless he willfully entered into R airspace when he knew he had done it and knew it was active at the time. (THERE AINT NO LINES UP THERE FYI AND LOW TIME VFR PILOTS OFTEN GET A LITTLE OFF COURSE.) so by your evidence ( AND i have no idea how complete this evidence was,) he was just a regular guy. Come on people Evidence is names dates witnesses willing to attest to what they actually experienced, not conjecture and hearsay.
@2122 not that it matters but old auto head was right about the use of its. it's means the same as it is. "Its" in this case is using" it" to refer to the noun" issue" and the possessive modifier "entirety" as a property of this specific issue. So this exchange shows interesting psychology between two people who are antagonistic towards each other. Autonomous who somehow seems to be trying to make a case that the irrational act by the defendant was justified by by a real shotgun which somehow magically disappeared. But then he uses a cheap trick to Disparage 2122 for a common grammar mistake.( I make it often) Then 2122 comes back to attack the person of' autonomous', taunting him for being impotent to get the defendant out of jail.Then 2122 shows interesting irrationality by saying he will leave his grammar mistake uncorrected, as a sort of psychological homage to the rightness of Dunns conviction and sentence. Then there are all the other various attributions as to motive all as far as I can see without any evidence. I would like to see a real psychiatric professional go through Dunns mind and try to figure out what made him snap. Right now all we have is an irrational act without any reason. or even evidence of any reason
@J H a smear without the slightest shred of evidence. your comment is typical of those who speculate then invent supporting arguments without attempting to ascertain facts
@Alfred Indy Music has a profound influence on behavior just like movies do. 17 year old kids should be not be listening to those R-rated lyrics. That why gangster rap is labeled 'parental guidance' for violent lyrics. That parents should not have let their kids listen or buy this music. It's illegal to do so.
@johnb66y "Now that is just my opinion but it is based upon my experience in life and that I know that people are creatures of habit. Again this case is important enough that all the facts of both Dunn and these Kids should be thoroughly dug up." <=== They were four times and a jury and three appeals courts sided with the original judge. Unless Dunn can wait ten years and dig up large sums of money to take it to the United States Supreme Court, Dunn is done!
@johnb66y "Third 90 years was absurd there was no premeditation and there was probable provocation." <=== There is no length limit on premeditation, so first degree murder was a valid charge since Dunn argued with the teens prior to the shooting.
PS: since you say that Dunn has no record of hatred towards blacks; note, none of the three surviving teens (now young adults) have been arrested for any crimes since they were assaulted by Dunn. That should be noted as well verses your brownnosing of Michelle Dunn.
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Alfred Indy2021-03-26 16:44:13 (edited 2021-03-26 16:44:54 )
@johnb66y "My beliefs are based upon logic and the information so far that has be brought forward If you have any Facts that would logically invalidate my beliefs please put them forward." <=== Permit cpl owners have to report all shootings to the police a.s.a.p. Of course there is a clause that the shooter is allowed to flee to a safe position BUT, they still have to report the shooting. I will be very generous and give Dunn to retreat to the safety of his Hotel room, but upon his arrival to his room, he had no legal excuse to not report and meet with the police. After that - Michael Dunn was a fleeing felon - period. So there is the proof that Dunn had no self-defense case - the fact that he negated his training and did not report the shooting.
PS: your logic is as good as your spelling, which is nonexistent!
@Captain Freedom "If reasonable people like you or me have doubts about his guilt, then Dunn should have been found not guilty." <=== and we are suppose to put our faith in you and Autonomous thought when Michelle Dunn lost all three appeals. I have a bridge to sell you then.
@Bill Wilson "Just be respectful and turn the music down. It's really that simple." <=== And if the people with the loud music ignore you (then show some class and), ignore them!
@Autonomous Thought lmao its insane that you keep talking about "facts and evidence" when none of the evidence or witnesses line up with Dunn's ridiculous story lol.
@Stewie G The fact that Dunn has appealed all the way up to the State Supreme Court and the FACT that no court takes his "threatened with a gun" seriously, is proof enough for any logical person that Dunn was lying.
This they were afraid of riots means that I cannot argue with the true told by the courts.
@Alfred Indy Your reply has nothing to do with my comment. ..Zero. My reply was to the fact that Dunn's son will relive this incident every time he celebrates his own wedding anniversary. Do I believe the teens brandished a weapon..no.. do I think the shooting was justified..no I'll even take it a step further and say he wouldn't even of asked them to turn the music down had there not been a pistol in his glove box. There..now your comment can have some relevance
@Left.Inland Good! This thread is huge and the latest posts have been from nimrod trolls, so I thought that you were commenting on those idiotic remarks. I apologize! I can see you are one of the intelligent posters.
@Alfred Indy I appreciate that.. a real case to look at is the Christopher Childress shooting by Cortez Waller. Cortez was sleeping with Chris's wife at their job. She quit the job and tried to work it out. When the men ran into each other on the street Chris ran up to Cortez and Cortez shot him..before a glove was placed on him. Cortez Waller was found not guilty. I'll let you look up the case to see why ppl didn't riot.
@Left.Inland To state that three appeals courts sided with the district court because they were afraid of riots is just plain stupid. Look at the other court cases which the Supreme Court has sided on whether the people liked the decision or not. The justices are well protected and they do not have to worry about their own safety.
When I hear someone say Michael Dunn was convicted because the system was worried about riots - I realize that the person posting it has not valid debating point to use and is making an excuse up.
@Left.Inland I read your case and I think that the jury came to the wrong decision, but I have to accept the outcome because you cannot try a person twice for the same crime. However, Michelle Dunn got the correct sentence and lost three appeals. People who conclude that this case was self-defense do not know the meaning of self-defense.
To use this case to justify that there may have been a gun in Jordan Davis's van is idiotic at best. Notice the man in this case who was acquitted turned himself into LE right away. So the two cases cannot be compared. Only guilty people run!
So your troll set up is a waste of bandwidth! Michelle Dunn is where he should be.
@Left.Inland There was no comparison between the case you cited and this case. The fact that the shooter turned himself into the police right away is night and day compared to the Jordan Davis murder case. Also, compare the states which they occurred. Florida was among the most lenient stand your ground states. Unfortunately for Florida - they had stupid people testing the limits of the new law. commenters
@Alfred Indy like I daid..I was making reference to the fact that the uproar would be different ...key word..different..if the roles were switched. And there you are in left field reading something that isnt there... Just give up bro..seriously
@Left.Inland " I appreciate that..
a real case to look at is the
Christopher Childress shooting by Cortez Waller. Cortez was sleeping with Chris's wife at their job. She quit the job and tried to work it out. When the men ran into each other on the street Chris ran up to Cortez and Cortez shot him..before a glove was placed on him. Cortez Waller was found not guilty. I'll let you look up the case to see why ppl didn't riot." <=== Not me! The whole reason I responded is because you were too lazy to cut and paste to the original comment you were referring to. I cannot help it you don't take the time to point out who you are responding to.
@Left.Inland "Damn..all the years I've known about this case for years and that never even crossed my mind..that would be messed up" <=== You don't even post to the person you are responding to and make it look like you are commenting to the mess at the bottom of the thread. Maybe you should be less vague if you cannot stand people getting off topic.
@Alfred Indy I responded to one person about the sons wedding..any reply to the Brian Davis will be at the bottom playa..we were in his thread therefore making any comment a response to the core comment..pretty simple..never directed anything at ppl in the side discussion. Maybe you should pay attention
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Alfred Indy2021-03-31 00:32:07 (edited 2021-03-31 00:52:30 )
@Left.Inland I know that cut n paste takes more effort so my apologies. Whenever I see a comment with no name included and it is highlighted I take it as a post to the group.
You make a big deal out of additional thoughts to comments which is kind of ignorant on your part when you have spelling errors and fragments as sentences. I will leave it alone now. But if I am an ahole then you are one in the same. Now leave the immaturity alone and post to whoever you want.
@Autonomous Thought well this is why we have a justice system. They did the work. Brought out the facts. That's kind of how this sort of thing works, you know? Lol. Your whole statement hold no water whatsoever.
@Dyno Hrnic The most idiotic excuse was suppression fire to keep their heads down. I cannot believe anyone would use such a unreasonable and idiot statement like that.
@Autonomous Thought heres something that logically refutes what you said, according to the pig on the stand they werent" conversating it was more of a yelling he could hear with his windows up" way to watch the video.
@Autonomous Thought Also, to say it isn’t about race clearly means you haven’t looked into the case. Google his letters sent from prison. They all say things like “all whites should arm themselves against the black menace” “I hope the next county picks up this case because it is predominantly republican and white and they’re pro guns”
@Autonomous Thought Is that why Michael was sentenced to life in prison without parole? The judge and jury found him guilty. He’ll have to spend the rest of his life in prison.
@christine robinson Is that why Michael was sentenced to life in prison without parole? The judge and jury found him guilty. He’ll spend the rest of his life in prison.
@Autonomous Thought It is very funny to see how you are getting done in this comment section. Every answer you're getting is against your reasoning precisely because you're wrong and you're analyzing things from a frustated and kind of narcisistic point of view; I would even daré to say immoral. I barely read one of your comments and had to drop it when you were practically implying that you are extremely intelligent and that you are an expert on logic. Believe it or not, it doesn't show at all. And the worst part is that it doesn't matter how many people answer to you with the evidence on this case, you're incapable of accepting that you're wrong and you messed up. Very clever.
@broquest warsneeder THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WAS THINKINGGG except, lahey is more likely to get piss ass drunk and kill a guy over music rather than a flustered randy
@Autonomous Thought Uhm, id respect your talking points more if they weren’t just a regurgitation of other people’s and they showed a semblance of independent analytical thought. I go to the most competitive university in the world, my IQ is high enough 😊
@Autonomous Thought hmm, did u just unironically imply that ur an extremely logical and intelligent person? i was reading into ur comments to possibly agree but thats uh... quite the ego u have.
@Autonomous Thought yikes man. Think you “ignored” certain parts of the video you didn’t like lol. Might need to review again, but not add your own filter.
@Autonomous Thought There's no evidence for any of the kids threatening the guy and evidence against both that and them being armed in the first place. There is, however, evidence for an adult man calling music 'thug music' on the basis of fucking nothing but the appearance of teenagers I guess, and evidence for an adult man killing a minor over music. I will agree, the teenager ran his mouth ['you cant tell me what to do'] but given the age and the adult man escalating the situation, this is a minor thing that doesn't warrant this response.
If you want to suggest otherwise please site your sources as your claims make the burden of proof fall on you, I'm simply reciting what's from the video. Following claims made by you [original comment]: 'he killed him for threatening him [no evidence], not playing loud music, try to keep up with facts and logic and not just your emotions [no evidence, gas lightly]. it's not proven either way that the kid did or didn't have a gun [it's been proven by witnesses from both parties in the video], or that the kid did or didn't threaten to kill him [opposite proven by witnesses in the video], or that the kid did or didn't pretend he had a gun while threatening to kill him. this case is a lot more nuanced than you're portraying and it's immoral for you to attribute more malice than is evident to the accused, just like in your imaginary scenario of events the accused is wrong for falsely attributing malice to the kid, hypocrite'
@Autonomous Thought >'You keep using the phrase "irrational and immoral". Why? What makes an argument "immoral"? What is morality to you? You should avoid using such subjective language if you're attempting to make an argument from objectivity. What you've argued so far isn't compelling. There was enough evidence from the interrogation, the witnesses, and the crime scene itself to make a case for the suspect's motive. Rejecting evidence is irrational.' -questioning openly and providing evidence, making points against your claim
>' there definitely isn't substantial evidence, what are you talking about? and what a completely nonsensical thing to say. what i'm calling immoral is objectively immoral, as long as you subjectively agree that adhering to truth is better than not adhering to truth. you disagree on that subjective premise? you think questioning that subjective premise is actually a substantial argument? are you new to thinking about morality? cuz literally everything else you said to me implies that you agree that adhering to truth is superior to not adhering to truth, although maybe not, because you are pretty bad at it'
-attacks the person, not the points -doesn't answer the questions or explain themselves, just claims that you're right because you are -'i am truth' -ignores evidence suggesting otherwise to their claims
lmao he left his sons wedding early just to go home and walk his dog...he has a terrible relationship with him most likely especially considering he said his dog is his child during the trial and didn't mention once about his actual kid.
@Autonomous Thought But you understood what the other person was saying. You're being a hypocrite, because you were the person to bring up grammar in the first place.
@Autonomous Thought "as someone really good at logic" "derive serotonin response without merit" lol I wish I was as smart as you think you are. Do me a favor and explain what you were trying to get across with that "derive serotonin response without merit" line because A) I think you're confusing 5-hydroxytryptamine (5ht/serotonin) with dopamine and B) "derive serotonin response" is not a thing. So ironic that Mr corrects-grammar would use a completely nonsensical string of words in attempt to seem smarter.
@Bill Wilson Your response tells me that you're being ignorant. My reply is clear. I read the whole thread and watched the video. You just don't have a proper answer for my question, which is why you're avoiding it.
If they would of kept the music off for another 60 seconds all that could of been prevented but noooo someone had to be a tough guy and turn the music up again.
@Autonomous Thought criiiiiiinge. Never met a person who extoles their own logical skills and intelligence who was anything but a bag of hot air, sniffing their own farts
@Autonomous Thought You say Its not proven even tho they said that there wasnt even a fucking water gun in the car. Everything in this case was confirmed.
@Autonomous Thought it was proven they didn't have a gun though because no gun was ever found in the vehicle or on the gas station premises. It was also proven that they never threatened to kill him from 3rd party witness testimony. Lay off the crack bud.
his son is probably racist as well ebcause that's how he was raised and thinks of his father as the victim. Same for the girlfriend, idk why people feel sorry for her.
@Autonomous Thought late but The video itself stated he was just twisting the story to make himself look like the victim/to make it seem like he was just acting out of self defense
@Autonomous Thought they cant be wrong when you have proven anything. And its the comments not an essay boomer. I dont have to type an apostrophe if I dont have to. Youll understand what I mean just fine. Just use that declining brain of yours
@Autonomous Thought none of these terrible, pointless deaths and ludicrous confrontational situations would happen if people didn't have rampant access to guns. Why does this not get said more often? It seems really clear cut to me, and to millions of people in my country, where these kinds of murders very, very rarely occur. In addition, given the possible grey areas, of this case happened here, the culprit would be jailed for some years, in recognition of his crime and massive lack of judgement, but not for the rest of his life.
@R Collins Agree .How else would a middle age white dude categorize it. Shut up for 5 minutes and tolerate you are not the only one around. Short unpleasant moments don't require 10 pumped into fully occupied vehicle and drive away.
those who listen to "thug music" have criminal behavior and experience showed us that eventually they do commit all sorts of crime. so... idk, i side with the Dunn here.
@it'sMe TheHerpes You just made an absurdly untrue and laughably racist generalization, made even worse by the fact they literal had no criminal record, yet you tried to justify killing them with “well they’d EVENTUALLY commit a crime”; so it makes sense you’d side with him.
@renee oh really ? "racist" ? lol strange of you o say that, since i mentioned no race in my comment. what are you implying here, that the word "criminal = black" ? because all i said is that future thugs listen to crmininal music, and all of a sudden you associated that with blacks, and then called me racist 😂 🤣
@it'sMe TheHerpes what makes a song Criminal please tell me how listening to a song makes you a thug he shot an innocent unarmed 17 year old kid who's only crime was listening to music loud something almost everyone that age does
@Craft Lawrence yeah right... "innocent 17 year old" sure... the poor lad was in church when that happened right ? helping the poor maybe ? lol. get a grip of yourself.
@it'sMe TheHerpes he was seventeen he didn't have the chance to live his life to know what he wanted to be or who he was he didn't get to find out because he was killed by someone who obviously feels no remorse
@it'sMe TheHerpes yes I'm biased he shot a 17 year old unarmed kid I'm going to be biased against anyone shooting a unarmed kid and yes at 17 you are a kid
@it'sMe TheHerpes So because they listen to a certain type of music they deserved to die? I listen to rap music and I'm just a normal guy who likes video games and movies. Does that make me a potential criminal who should be shot before he even committed a crime???
@twocents first of all, i never said killing someone for music is ok, and this shooting was not about music, was abut a bunch of violent teens who don't have any regards for anyone around them. second, would it be bad to live in an all white society ? i mean... all i see is people who want to move in all white countries. so it means that... something is good onside a white society, ey ? you never see people want to migrate to other places. logically, it means that where ever there is a majority of whites, it's good.
@Long TaLLhow was he a thug he was an innocent 17 year old unarmed kid who was shot because he liked a type of music and listening to it loudly witch most kids do
@twocents no, he would not go to jail. what would happen is : he calls the police, and the police will handle you in their manner, most likely by teasing and shooting you. 2 police officers in front of 4 thugs listening to crime music ? lol, the cops would start blasting their guns the second they got there.
@Craft Lawrence ok, let's say they didn't. still their behavior was menacing. come on man... quit the bias and realize that the thugs in the car were not in the right. i am not saying that shooting them was the best course of action, but the ones in the car were not ok either. there are no victims here, they are both in the wrong.
@it'sMe TheHerpes Teenagers in that car had no track record of crime , as told by the detective ... don't say both were wrong !!WTH!! there is only one victim here and it's the kid who lost his life !!
@it'sMe TheHerpesU seem lack sympathy to the person who lost his life. Watch the vedio , the teenagers did not do anything other than verbal abuse. Verbal abuse is level 1. Murdering a person is level 10000 don't u understand?.. I am not biased , I am just a law student who loves to watch this channel... I keep a neutral perspective on everything. What did he do to deserve this ? u must be sick to support the murderer .. anyway I'm happy he is prison.
@it'sMe TheHerpes what about the kid who shoot up a school on this channel what was he listening to again. And thats the same as saying video games make people violent or movies
@it'sMe TheHerpes when you’re referring to “thug music” are you saying hip hop? because everyone listens to hip hop, not just “thugs” all people. music is universal, and listening to hip hop doesn’t make you a criminal. music is simply entertainment. and you say you’re siding with the guy who felt so entitled to make young kids turn their music down in public, and killed them. you’re siding with someone who fired ten shots over music? how disgusting.
@it'sMe TheHerpes as are You ? So what now ? Playing purposefully obtuse when confronted about the fact that you are defending a murderer by saying anyone who listens to rap will eventually commit a crime, thus calling the people literally deemed innocent by the law youre claiming to defend criminals
Tom Harvey2021-10-03 23:39:45 (edited 2021-10-03 23:40:34 )
It's how you play the game, and those two detectives play the game very very well. I love it when the one detective says "And here's where I bet a year of my salary..." because he's so confident that they've got him dead to rights.
What a psycho. At one point I thought this guy was in a drunken rage and just trying to look like a tough guy, but the 10 shots is pretty damning. He really intentionally killed someone because they cussed him out. Even if they had threatened him (which they didn’t) he still would’ve been guilty. He should have just left. What a moron. Thank God he’s locked away now.
The phone call in the beginning is interesting because you can see exactly how he reframed what really happened in his mind and how he in some way takes pride in it: he calls himself the “victor” and he’s still thinks he’s the “victim.” It’s crazy.
John Sexton he won’t get out. He’s serving life without parole plus 90 years. Justice was served. The real justice would be America having stricter gun laws and a young boy wouldn’t have lost his life.
I deadass believe if something happens and early enough on you tell yourself, others when you recount it, a different version that's how your brain will start to remember it. Something with how recount memories I'm telling you its how people go all delusional lol
"Kids" doesn't really mean much . To somebody who is 46 calling 20 year olds "kids" isn't that odd. Heck I'm 35, my brother is 22 and I call him and his friends "kids" all the time
Everyone’s talking about how bad it was for Rhonda (no doubt it was agonising) but I can’t even BEGIN to imagine the monumental pain and grief of Jordan’s family. I don’t know how you live life after the senseless murder of your child
His mom is a congresswoman, Lucy McBath. Apparently, life has thrown the book at her many times, as not only was her son murdered, but she's also had breast cancer twice.
That’s exactly what I was thinking about all those comments.She must have been aware of this mans character,who would even think to cause an action as insane & racist as this to come to pass & she FREELY CHOSE TO GET ENGAGED TO A PSYCHOPATH RACIST!!SHE IS NOT THE VICTIM IN ANYWAY.She’s as much of a victim as she is a perpetrator of the crime!Which in other words makes her neither a victim or a criminal.She made a huge mistake in judge of character when she chose to agree to get engaged to a racist murderer!Only the kids in the car & the teenager whose existence was taken from him just for acting like a teenager with a cheeky mouth like 99.9% of teenagers worldwide,he & his family.They are the victims nobody else!
@PepperKettle┊ˊˎ- ☆ that’s why a put she wasn’t a perpetrator or victim,I said she was neither victim or perpetrator,she made a huge mistake by being with that psycho’.I wasn’t saying she was responsible for his actions
It's not a contest though. Pain is universal and there is lots to go around with this story. One person's pain does not invalidate another's. RIP to Jordan.
@Eugene Caldwell your comment would be true if they started talking shit to him first... I agree you never run your mouth at random people for no reason...but that’s not how this happened. This man initiated with them first about their music. HE could have minded HIS own business and went the fuck on with his night.... but no he just had to say something to those kids. Ugh
@Bert Bertsson Jordan should have brought the heater. If you’re going to commit a crime like disorderly conduct then it’s not that far out of the scope of imagination for someone to commit another crime against you
@Moon HODLer it’s not rampant systemic racism. Reparations lol. Why don’t you go to work for a white person for a year or two and then you can apply for reparations
@Suzy Rottencrotch There was no instance of disorderly conduct. Playing music loudly in a public gas station parking lot does not constitute disorderly conduct. Especially since he turned the music down after being asked to do so.
Dame unloaded the clip at them for playing loud music and not accepting to turn down the music that's nuts literally shot at for nothing on top of all that left the scene of the crime
Right? When someone's playing really loud music at a red light or something, I blast mine right back. Story 2 beats whatever shit you got fam. But never, never, EVER, would it occur to me to even SAY anything to them, and NEVER fucking shoot them. Dude's a sociopath who wanted to be a vigilante hero.
Think of it this way... how do you think you would do if you played some one-on-one with any professional basketball player... not so good i would think... so why do these people think they can out strategize/think people who do interrogations for a living...
A son didn't return home that night, him, his whole family and everyone around him, punished for the crime of hearing "too loud" music. What a revolting episode.
Robert Ri where did they act like thugs though?? They were literally only listening to music a little bit loud, there was no altercation..Mike started it.
@Z Rosaleen i mean, we only have this limited perspective on the subject. We dont know how anyone was acting besides what everyone is saying happened.
Not saying anyone was "thuggish" or anyone was being racist, im trying to be neutral in stating that none of us were there, testimony can be biased, and witness testimony can be insanely flawed due to biases in the incident as well as in the person giving the testimony.
Regardless, this was a stupid, stupid altercation over stupid, stupid bullshit.
You mean punished for the crime of being black. This guy is a racist and this was entirely motivated by his hatred of people different than him. He probably loves his own music loud.
@Robert Jušić Your grasp of this situation seems to be as accurate as your ability to spell "ourselves". You also don't seem to understand what the word "resolve" means. Maybe just be quiet.
@Mellow Yello nothing that went down in that parking lot warranted those teens being shot at. Literally nothing they weren't trying to hurt him whatsoever
The shooting was completely unjustified, but leaving the scene after discharging a firearm is unbelievable even if he thought something had justified it.
I don't see many people talking about this. You might think it's like 'Well yeah, of course any decent person would tell the truth.' But she threw away any chance of salvaging the life she used to have by testifying truthfully. And before anyone goes 'Well yeah but the boy's parent have it harder.' Yeah I get that. It's not the pain Olympics, there can be more than one victim and we can be grateful that she chose justice over the 'easy' path.
@TheBuddyGamer her life was probably shit anyway. The dude said, “I hate that thug music” and she just reply’s, “yes I know” I would argue that she hated her life and only stayed with him out of fear she was too old to find someone else, or not wanting to deal with a break up. They knew each other for 6 years but had only been together for 6 months, so this tells me they probably both decided to get together because neither of them had a chance with anyone else.
Hopefully these videos dissuade people from committing a crime. As it shows the weak and pathetic state the perpetrators are in at the end when they are caught.
@Lukas The Dark what advantages does it have moving the market from a medical, safe, regulated market to an illicit, unstable, and unsafe market? there has been 0 non government backed, peer reviewed studies showing that the war on drugs is successful, so why continue it at all? all we are doing by it is marginalizing minorities and causing overdose deaths to skyrocket every single year. sure drugs aren't safe but trying to fight the use of drugs (a mental health problem) with legal consequences is like fighting fire with fire.
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Lukas The Dark2022-05-22 23:37:42 (edited 2022-05-22 23:38:04 )
@bruh standler I feel like you’re misunderstanding me. I’ve made it clear that I don’t think the use of drugs should be illegal. I think the distribution and manufacturing should be, and let me be even more clear, I mean certain drugs deemed to be dangerous (cocaine, meth, pcp, etc.). People who manufacture and distribute these drugs should be punished for enabling addicts, whilst addicts should seek help, and it’s my belief they can only do that if use is legalized. We still need to punish the manufacturers and distributors however.
@Lukas The Dark If we live in a free country, with capitalism (free market) then we should be able to buy and exchange substances that interact with our bodies. A drug dealer enables an addict in the same way a liquor store, vape shop, or casino might. Just because some of these substances are legal doesn't make them morally right or wrong. Alcohol and nicotine kill the most people out of any drugs, yet they are legal. We already have seen with alcohol how an illicit market will make more and more dangerous products, instead of stopping like it is supposed to. Yet history repeats itself and we are still fighting this pointless war on drugs by trying to bust drug dealers instead of trying to refocus the market to a legalized alternative. That's the point I'm trying to make.
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Lukas The Dark2022-05-23 01:15:43 (edited 2022-05-23 01:30:47 )
@bruh standler I disagree. I think your idea that alcohol kills the most people and therefore it’s more dangerous is skewed, I’d like to know where you’re getting this information
@bruh standler doing drugs isn’t a victimless crime, they chose to try the drugs knowing they might be illegal, it may be hard to quit but it’s not impossible.
@Deacon Except we already do that and there are hundreds of kilos pouring into every major city nonetheless. We need to make users safer to lower ODs, and part of that is legalizing.
@bruh standler like I said we should have mandatory drug testing for peoples supply if they want to get high. A hands off approach is very lazy when this issue is one that needs to be handled very quickly and efficiently. Shut down the southern border and increase security at all ports to decrease drug trafficking:
@Deacon Shutting down the southern borden won't do us any good, will probably bring on the recession. Legalizing however though, and selling out of pharmacies instead of street corners will probably change a lot. It's like with weed, who goes to buy cartel brick weed when there's a dispensary around the corner?
@bruh standler The southern border is the reason for the high drug use, gun violence and more in the US rn. Because it’s a free for all zone do whatever.
It's easy to say that now but once you get arrested and are a guilty perpetrator looking at XXX years and can follow through on that morally righteous advice you posted as on youtube then I will agree with you fully
but until then you have the complete possibility of just devolving into a hypocrite when put into that position
Even guilty people talking to lawyers makes the system function better, because lawyers quickly tell them to quit the bullshit, get the story out, and start working on a plea deal for them to confess through rather than tying up the trial court system for people who need it.
@bruh standler I know this is an older post but, I need to clarify something people keep saying. Most drugs are not a "victimless crime." You want to do pot? I could care less, you want to do PCP? Well now we have a problem. These drugs can induce psychotic episodes and make someone become violent. There are cases where one man on drugs attacks someone and they are shot, a lot, but continue to try and attack the person. There was a guy who was on PCP and he was eating a homeless guy alive! The guy couldn't defend himself because the drug made him so strong! Not victimless so stop pretending.
Interesting to see how many people think telling the truth is snitching on the fiancé? I can see that from a mobster wife but not from a good decent human being which that woman was. She might have saved herself domestic violence down the road and who knows what else.
while scrolling through the comments, yours is actually the first and only comment i have seen that refers as the fiance as a snitch, i find it quite despicable your interested to see if there are any likeminded people that see her in this way.
I noticed she no longer had her engagement ring on at the trial.... In the end, she was spared alot of heart-ache. He would be a hard guy to be married to..... Imagine how his son feels that every year on his wedding anniversary, he gets to remember how his father ruined the day....
@skapunker1986 Dude, there are an insane amount of comments calling her a snitch and shaming her. And something can be ‘interesting’ in a disturbing way, which is clearly the intent of the comment.
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Lord of Allusion2022-02-20 00:38:27 (edited 2022-02-20 21:40:30 )
When someone who you are involved with suddenly does something that you would never expect, especially in an absurdly illegal sense, that isn't really snitching. Snitiching, to me, is when you knew about their illegal shit for a good while and then tell on them to lesser your own involvement.
EXACTLY!!! She had just married him, and Michael Dunn obviously has SERIOUS rage issues that are escalated intensely by booze. She’d probably (hopefully NOT) be next. The authorities knew already (via film and audio, as stated) what had basically happened, so….Why should she lie & incriminate herself as well when she was innocent?!
@Truth17John17 i never thought of that... damn, what an aniversery.
Btw, what a stupid defense attorney, giving dunn a chance to cry Bout his fn dog... that looks SOOOOO terrible, considering what he did, and his lack of emotion over the boy.
I agree with you. I am an ex con and felon. The only people I hold accountable for snitching is people who live the street life. Wether is drug dealing, guns z robbery we are expected to keep it shut. but a normal law abiding citizen doesn't have to live by a street code.
I agree idk why people would consider that snitching she’s doing the right thing she isn’t a gang member or criminal she doesn’t have to abide by any code of the streets or lifestyle im sure not in her wildest dreams would she think the people she has in her life would just start shooting at people in public im sure she avoids all the illegal bs so being a regular civilian tell anyone the truth about what happens isn’t snitching
Yep. Tragic for Rhonda, but still, could've been much worse if she actually married him. If this guy was so triggered by loud music, imagine what else he'll be triggered by.
@Lord of Allusion if you are not a criminal or involved in crimes, THAT SHIT DOES NOT APPLY TO YOU!! Snitching is when you get caught doing a crime and give details about others involvement in that crime. If you are innocent and someone commits crime, you SHOULD tell every and all details
@Jefferson Ott Tbf that's probably the only option the defense attorney had considering the overwhelming amount of evidence against him at that point. His only play, while still certainly hopeless, was to try to convince the jury that he wasn't a monster that would just kill because of a disagreement. Like could you come up with a better defense considering all the evidence the cops gathered from his time in the interrogation without his lawyer?
@DezertFox showing that the modern woman is loyal to her daddy, the state, and not her actual man. You look at it like its some sort of virtue. Its not.
I honestly feel bad for the fiancée, all she wanted was wine, had she not known this would happened . She did everything right about being honest. On the other hand, he deserved everything that happened to him, those boys were just chilling listening to music and he got mad and shot them? Really? Was that necessary? He killed a poor teen and almost killed the others. He is a terrible person.
he was most likely racist and she remained married to him, she deserves no sympathy. When he said "I hate that thug music" she said "I know", so clearly she was aware of his evilness. I wouldn't be surprised if she was racist as well, and just less openly violent than him. She deserves this.
@noire no. they called his hatred of "thug" music, evil. This was separate from his obviously evil act of taking a life. The commenter said "she was clearly aware of his evil"... simply because she responded to his hatred of "thug" music with "i know". Bizarre comment by "mochimochi" any way you slice it.
@mochimochi and it also doesnt make sense to think that just because of an assumption you have that could easily be proven wrong and interpreted differently anytime...
Didn't it say she was dating him for four years but had been engaged for six months? She clearly HAD to know he was a racist. I'm not saying she deserved this because she didn't have anything to do with killing someone, but let's not kid ourselves and pretend she didn't know her own fiance.
@Dennzer1 yea that’s what I was thinking, I think she knew he was racist but loved him and dealt with it. She never would’ve expected him to take a life, and you can tell. She was in shock on the ride home, every time he said “I love you” she said “I know” never “I love you too”
I feel horrible that you can hear that she actually feels horrible and guilty just because she wanted the wine and "put them in that situation", I mean how can he love her, and put that on her conscience so she can beat herself up feeling guilty just for wanting a wine....
@Great Scott! Not necessarily, I've seen people hide things right up until marriage, you can tell she was genuinely shocked he did this she even said she immediately thought he was stupid for that, at that point she didn't want to agitate him further. She might have had hints, but listen to her...she wasn't happy with him
Most likely, he told them to turn it down aggressively, they turned it off, someone in the car said "fuck that guy" turned it back on. He then yelled back at them, got pissed because they yelled at him and then thought he was a badass and shot at them.
@Jack Kawf I agree she was shocked he would flat out kill someone like he did, but I'm also sure she knew he had racist tendencies of some kind. You can't be with someone for four years and not know that.
@Great Scott! possibly, but I mean by the way I'm seeing it, it sounds like she wanted a way out and this guy wasn't the "let them go..." Type, I can almost guarantee she was so forthcoming because she was finally out of this
@Jack Kawf she might despise him because he killed people but he she was with him 4 years and agreed to marry him she knew he was racist and was okay with it
@Nas H you are so narrow minded dude, I've seen people hide things for longer, even at that, and as I've said...he doesn't seem like the type that would just allow her to leave or speak her mind. You lost your point when you became just as narrow minded as the shooter. You don't know, you cannot assume, and regardless you cannot assume or say what someone should do in a situation you were never in and have no knowledge of. You're just as bad without the violence.
this dude really killed a kid, traumatised 3 other kids, traumatised his fiancé, destroyed the victim's family and caused this whole mess because some guys were listening to hip hop.
crazy! when u tell sum1 to turn down ya music is already a fine line.. but then to say I can't hear myself think!! He wAs being a smartass from jump!! looking for an issue!
I kept shooting and shooting because I THOUGHT he had a gun...That's a good argument until they're retreating and you're still shooting. This man is a L.
@Easter Basket I understand what you mean and I’m not taking up for this guy but how is it being racist by calling a type of music by a name that it is known by that name. Kinda like how rappers call trap music trap music it’s just the type of music it is. Even rappers themselves have called rap music thug music. I mean I grew up listening to rap as well as other kinds of music. I’m not saying either way if this guy is a racist or not but really can’t make that call by him calling a type of music by a name that others have called it including the news.
@Tony Arcieri Hip Hop has MANY different sub genres,A Tribe called Quest,De La Soul,The ROOTS,Public Enemy,Common,MF DOOM,Run the Jewels,Gangstarr(don’t let their name fool you),Souls of Mischief,Divital Underground,Freestyle Fellowship,are just a few off the top of the head examples of Hip Hop acts who aren’t even close to being “thug music” or “Gangsta Rap”,Hip Hop is a very wide ranging art form,JFTR
I think he has probably been waiting for this sort of situation for YEARS & probably fantasied about it just waiting for his opportunity to act it out.That’s my honest opinion!
@Diego Flores What’s your point?!Are you trying to say teenagers doing what teenagers do,is now a crime worthy of the death penalty with zero need for a court,jury or judge or even a cop for that matter??? 🤷♂️🤔🤦♂️
@Diego Flores dude we're talking about a middle aged man who killed a teen over music. there's a time and place to talk about how loud music can be disrespectful but this sure as fuck isn't it
@Easter Basket oh I’m not saying he isn’t and I haven’t seen a lot of this guy to even voice my opinion on how racist he really is. I was just saying I felt like the detective part wasn’t necessarily true. As far as the rest I can’t speak on because I would have to see and hear the facts before coming to a conclusion on rather or not if or how much racist he was. Now days people wanna call someone or some situations racist when it really is not. This guy I’m pretty sure he had some type of hate in his heart either it being for someone of different color or someone he felt was lower class then himself I don’t know.
Edit….not saying these young men where below him. I was just saying how he might think of people. I didn’t want my words getting twisted up lol
there was a murder of some puerto rican parents who told that group of kids to turn of the music, later they get murdered. the couple's newborn kid was on the backseat as the group shot them execution style.
@Curtis Vance I think your heart is in the right place, but to doubt this mans hatred for anyone of any other nationality, is a bit naive. He was waiting for this opportunity for sure. Also, just because you have a certain way of seeing things (i.e. a middle aged white man trying to be snide by calling it “thug music”), absolutely doesn’t mean that you share the same thought process. He’s a blatant racist. Don’t be him
@slin0053 I mean you and I weren't there but the fact that after he killed someone he continued to shoot into the car from behind .... I feel so sorry for Rhonda she loves him. But I am so proud of her for being honest on the stand! Go Rhonda!
@K2ggers Anti Zionism is not anti Semitism.A lot of Jews are anti zionist!The current Israeli state is an apartheid state!FACT NOT OPINION. End of!This isn’t the place for that discussion.I was just pointing out how ridiculous your OG comment was & will remain.
@Luke Sargent he still thinks he's the hero, despite everyone else saying that he said "no, you're not gonna talk to me like that" before unloading on them
@Zeno He was doing Gods work was he??it’s best you stay infront of that computer screen of yours,it’s not too safe for a head with your thoughts outside!
@Zeno Stay in front of that computer screen lad,’ cause if someone was to speak the words you typed in my ear shot or of someone like myselfs earshot then I would happily go back to prison for breaking the jaw of someone who was to say “Mr Dunn was doing Gods work” & I’m being 100% truthful!
And tried to ruin his reputation in court along with his friends trying to convince the public they were the murderers just so he doesn’t lose his own freedom.
Oh but don’t mention the fiancé because internet trolls have decided you can only feel bad for one or the other. If you feel bad for her, cleaaaarly you somehow don’t feel bad for the murder victim and his family. God I hate people.
Before that, he beat his exes, pulled guns on them, and forced one to sleep with strangers in a swingers' club. Oh and he tried to order a hitman to kill someone.
I don’t think that he acted wisely, but the kids did not help either being disrespectful, maybe things would be different if they show some respect for others.
@Maria Cameron No, they were there first and Dunn chose to park next to them. If anything Dunn should've just moved his car and went inside the store like a mature adult would.
@Kendra Lewis I just want to clarify that I know the actual reason he did it was because he's racist, my comment was just making fun of the way he tried to justify his actions with "oh they were rude and listening to bad music"
@#kanepoe ! You are putting words in my mouth and I don't appreciate that. I never said thugs were black, I'm merely observing the entire picture. If you don't believe he's racist, I can't change your mind. I've met enough people like him to know racist undertones. Racism isn't always in your face obvious and is often subconscious.
@Curtis Vance the key to this point is the context in which specifically white men in places like Florida choose to word their grievances; the use of the term "thug" in these parts by certain demographics, and I speak from experience, tends to carry baggage and racist connotation if not directly used as a proxy for a slur. Therefore, him calling it "thug music" of all other things he could call it, despite seeming to try and word what he says otherwise in a way which would make him seem nice at first, and especially considering that he without reason opened fire on a car of black teens, among other details all taken in context lead to a fair guess that there was some pre-existing bias which lead to his actions. If he had fired once and shown remorse when he learned there was no weapon etcetera etcetera then perhaps it would not be so easy to point to that wording as a sort of.. dog whistle, for lack of better term, but with the context of everything else it becomes increasingly difficult to argue against imo.
@Curtis Vance where is hip hop known as “thug music”? It’s only referred to that way by people with prejudice. Quit going to bat for a murderer lol cuz you definitely are.
@Diego Flores what? Lol. There are noise ordinances in most places and times you have to stop playing loud music, if someone’s driving listening to loud music they’re probably just enjoying themselves, idc about others when I listen to my music loudly while driving. If you’re annoyed by it, lucky you, you can drive away.
@Nun Ya i can't imagine a worse choice than returning fire at a swat team. The best case scenario is to be born into a country with better gun control and the cops don't have to worry about getting shot as much.
@Curtis Vance I think the way he said it and the context of shooting the people listening to said music within the next 5 minutes is more relevant than his exact word choice
@pollitorsiones I totally agree, this is just so gross. Why would you shoot someone because of their music? I feel for the parents. One thing I find extremely pathetic is when the man said that he is the victim.
I feel as if there's just been a devaluation of human life over time. If you don't believe life is sacred then this is just one of the many outcomes. Similar to the ability to abuse, or neglect. One thinks so little of others that there is no limit to the harm they are willing to inflict. Especially if its to their benefit.
It's also disgusting that during the drive home, when he was turning the radio down and telling Rhonda he loved her, it was almost certainly solely because he'd need her testimony
@Lasse Poulsen that is a possibility, but considering his word choice, his fake emotion during the trial, his disappointment with his wife telling the truth and the phone call at the beginning, is far more likely it was calculated to help get her support.
he took a child’s life, ruined his own life, his fiancée’s life, Jordan’s friends and family’s life all over music he didn’t like. I cannot imagine how traumatized his friends are watching him die in 45 seconds.
It wasn't about music, it was about disrespect & spite. Look at the cities of Baltimore & Chicago. This kind of incident happens in those cities dozens of times a week.
the fact he was drunk doesn't make it better, it makes it worse. it makes it sad because some people can't handle drinking and we can't stop them from drinking. it won't change. I'm just sayin im sure people here in the comments aren't trying to justify it that way.
@Kernel Kestrel He wasn't that drunk. His fiance said he only have 3 or 4 drinks. You could say he's a light weight but he was still able to drive and was steady enough to grab his gun (maybe loaded it because he said "I pu-got the clip into the chamber") then cock it and start firing out his window. I would understand if he was sloppy drunk but he at most had a light buzz.
@Bread it does though. The reaction to him shooting a 9 year old would be entirely different. Obviously it doesn’t justify it but don’t act like the age doesn’t matter
@Andreia Anderson i was thinking the same thing about some of these weirdos spewing the same thinly veiled racist shit as Michael Dunn , see them on the next episode 😂🕳
Really sad about the shooting, but these 'hood guys wouldn't cross anyone unless they think they can beat his ass up. 17 year old is not an age to measure in a fight with a grown up man. I'm not saying a shooting is justified, but the thug attitude it's gonna end up really bad for some.
@Eliecer Quintero Look, wherever these guys are from, if it not pops with a gun it's gonna be somebody else, guaranteed. There's less chance to cross anyone when you don't talk shit uncalled.
@RunOfTheTrill nope perceived disrespect and possibly difference in culture adding to it.....happens everyday in Chicago and Detroit. Live in reality please. Not everyone is a closet racist. The guy had a mental/emotional ineptitude like almost all who kill. Leave it at that
@joshbonds they are teenagers? Seventeeeeen, get it? Children are not teenagers and teenagers are not children. Please don't think I'm excusing the scumbag that shot this poor teen, it's awful what happened. But, say he shot a child is incorrect.
@Bigdogteigan he is a kid, stop trying to make this kid seem older than he is. did you see that picture they used of him? it was a SCHOOL picture. he murdered a child for listening to music and could’ve potentially also killed other kids.
@Meg Mucklebones They were minors. They weren’t adults. Couldn’t drink legally. Couldn’t vote. They were their parents children. They were kids. Stop trying to negate people’s empathy about this loss.
@Philosopher Stoned it’s not a justification dumb dumb I’m keeping the conversation reality based . Looking at all the facts I don’t see how you can jump to a race based conclusion. What’s werid is you seeing race when there is really no reason to.
@Fee Nok yeah , then proceeded to unload ten rounds into a car full of unarmed people, I don't know where you are from but listening to music loud isn't a reason to get killed, if the dude cared that much he could've just parked somewhere else
And all of them possible with GUNS! Guess what would have happened in any other country: angry grandpa leaves and shouts. In america you're getting shot.
@Fee Nok then again there's absolutely no way to know that but all we know is that the dude shot unarmed people bc he got his feelings hurt so he deserves to rot in jail anyways
@Uranium Clown it’s been proven he shot to kill. You trying to search for a reason to defend a murderer makes me suspect that you have some prejudices against the teen victims. He was looking for any reason to kill, and you could tell by the way he 1, dramaticised there retelling like it was some marvel film, 2, lied about the teenagers reaction and them having a gun, and 3,) where he shot, how much he had shot, and how he lied about where he had shot. He’s a murderer plain and simple, it was no accident. It mightve even had racial motivation.
@Meg Mucklebones a teenager is still a kid, even the murderer said they were kids. this is a huge issue in america where black kids/teens are called “adults” when they are literally children being killers
i assure you it had 1% to do with the music and 99% to do with his unapologetic racism and pride. these kinds of people will find any excuse to prove their superiority over people they treat as subhuman because of their twisted beliefs. hell, he killed a 17 year old and still has the gall to call himself the victim.
This is the danger of buying a gun to feel powerful, rather than to defend yourself. If you buy a gun because you "like how it feels in your hand" or "just in case I see a crime going on". If you have a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
@Erik Uden Factor out the gun violence of the 5 most violent cities in the US and its violent crime rate is comparable to that of a small European country. It is also curious that most of the gun-related violence in the US occurs in states with incredibly strict gun control laws. Look up the most violent cities in the US and tell me if you see a pattern, both demographically and politically.
@Enta S the vast, vast majority of what is classified as "mass shootings" is the result of gang violence. >60% of all gun deaths in the u.s. are the result of suicides. The way the world is being presented to you is dishonest. People have strong convictions about restricting guns, and they will manipulate information to further that goal.
You're right. I have a concealed carry license just because a lot of private sellers like to see it when I buy and sell firearms, and I just never even take them out of my house unless i'm going to a sale or the range. In both cases I make sure that I don't have to make any stops along the way. I simply will not bring a deadly weapon into any situation because the truth is, 99.999% of the time none of us ever truly need a weapon on us.
@D H "if we restrict guns further, the country will be safer"
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ronnie lommie2021-06-15 09:30:20 (edited 2021-06-15 09:41:27 )
@D H "We could totally eliminate gun violence only IF we just pass more laws and stuff telling criminals (A criminal defined as a person who actively breaks laws) that they cant legally have guns that exist with or without our laws.... While we are at it, let's also tell law abiding citizens (the actual people who would be forced to obey such laws, being law abiding and everything) that they can"t legally have guns either, because surely IF we do that, the criminals won't just decide to have guns anyway regardless of what some invisible law says, and surely they won't just continue to commit crimes, only now with an even greater advantage over those law abiding citizens who otherwise could defend themselves on equal footing if not for our laws. Dangerous criminals who have such little fear of the justice system that they will knowingly rob and MURDER regardless of consequence, surely they will respect the gun free zone signs we hang up, won't they?" Yeah that doesn't sound like "hypothetical imaginary land" at all.... Also, factoring out suicides and inner city GANG VIOLENCE is very much a good way to analyze actual gun crimes, since ya know, the majority of human beings in the country do not subscribe to street gangs nor lives of crime, so it isn't ideal to toss in the actions of hardened criminals who will be hardened criminals no matter the circumstances (proven by their own cities strict gun laws and their utter refusal to abide them) alongside those of average Americans as if it is all one in the same, as if Joe Blow with his legally owned weapon is contributing to 800 deaths a night in Chicago or whatever absurd number it likely is, this is why we should not restrict freedoms of law abiding people based on the actions of criminals. And as for suicide, it will happen regardless of method. Furthermore, factor in how many gun deaths are DEFENSIVE meaning someone killing in self defense, a home invader, etc etc, and the cited "honest media reported" statistics grow even more fragile.
@D H If dense populaces are what causes violent crime and crime in general then Tokyo would be one of the most violent cities on earth, but it's actually the most peaceful capital. Poverty certainly correlates with crime, as does lack of literacy, but you see much higher violent crime rates among certain demographics than others, even when you factor in literacy, income and access to resources. You need to be honest with yourself when analysing why these cities are so violent.
@D H It's also ironic that you talk about an "imaginary fairy land" yet you can make the obtuse assumption that if you take away the guns, the violence disappears. There is no correlation between legal gun ownership and violent crime. In fact, places with high amounts of gun ownership have less crime overall, even if abject poverty is present. I come from a city where guns (and knives) were banned a long, long time ago, but it has a violent crime rate comparable to New York.
@edward Certainly, people can be born into bad circumstances. It's demonstrably proven that people can rise from these circumstances, however. Also, choosing to rob/kill people, regardless of your financial situation, still takes a certain predisposition. In multicultural nations, you'll find a much clearer correlation between violent crime and demographics than you will between violent crime and poverty.
@Kyrrodi It's really not that clear. If violent crime isn't linked to population density or socioeconomic factors, what's the driving force behind it? Who is in this demographic you keep referring to, and what about them makes them predisposed to commit violent crime?
@Erik Uden You should also look at how many of those shootings are comitted with illegally owned guns.
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the dude2021-06-18 02:59:51 (edited 2021-06-18 03:00:14 )
@Tyler a lot of the most violent cities in America are sanctuary cities. What's a sanctuary City and who is at fault for it?
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the dude2021-06-18 03:02:50 (edited 2021-06-18 04:58:49 )
@Tyler Los Angeles, San Francisco both sanctuary City. Because it protects illegal immigration. So the cartel set up there. There's also really no punishment against drug users. Lot of homeless drug users. Lot of gangs in Los Angeles too so the cartel get two big customers.
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the dude2021-06-18 03:04:51 (edited 2021-06-18 05:16:07 )
@Tyler cartel smuggles guns into Los Angeles and then sells it to the local gangs, who then kill one another. large amounts of homeless people migrate to Los Angeles and San Francisco's cuz of the really lenient drug laws, witch the cartel supplying most of the drugs in the area. Since the cartel makes it easy to get guns in Los Angeles in San Francisco if you know the right person. drugged up homeless people can get access to guns pretty easy as long as they know the right person.
@Tyler who to blame for the sanctuary cities Tyler.
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the dude2021-06-18 03:14:08 (edited 2021-06-18 05:19:29 )
@Tyler Portland Oregon just decriminalized all drugs. There's no punishment for doing PCP, heroin, meth. Lot of weirdos going to be running around that city. San Francisco same thing. there's so many drugged up homeless people in Los Angeles they're not even trying to put them in jail anymore. New York eliminated cash bales for everything except for some violent felonies. They arrested a guy for killing a woman and then released him the next day. Six defendants were released without bail in January of 2020 after a $7 million drug bust in the Bronx
@the dude And where do you think those guns come from? I'll give you a hint: they're not coming from Mexico. The War on Drugs was a disaster for this country, it only benefited the prison industrial complex. Decriminalizing drugs and allocating funds that would normally go to bloated prison & police budgets into rehabilitation programs would go so much farther than locking offenders up and making it impossible for them to find work, housing, and secondary education once they're released.
@the dude also, I wasn't talking to you. I just wanted to see if Gabriel had the balls to come right out and go full-on mask off racist, which he clearly doesn't.
@Tyler wrong lmao. Based = a statement or action that braves the potential consequences in any situation. For example, if someone said "I don't think there's anything wrong with being jewish" on /pol/ and got a million angry (You)s (this has happened) that is based and I would say so, just like on twitter if someone posted "I don't think we should kill all rich people, I also disagree with communism" I would also deem that statement as based. In both these situations a person is going against a hivemind to say what's really on their minds. That is based, and so are the underdogs here arguing using sound logic to preserve gun rights and educate people. Being based is an act of confidence and individualism, showing a individual doesn't care about what others think. That is admirable and is why I and many others use "based" to compliment people regardless of political views.
But go on. Make this a oversimplified left-right spectrum problem. It's you who thinks labels matter. Hence you aren't based and therefore have a problem with "based" since you see everyone but you getting called based. Now that's an opinion derived from bias.
the dude2021-06-18 21:34:27 (edited 2021-06-18 21:36:55 )
@Tyler South of mexico. Chiapas is controlled by The Zapatista Army of National Liberation. They're the ones, who supply cartel with most of their weapons. they also help fuel the drug war in Mexico. Cuz they been trying to take over Mexico completely since 1994.
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the dude2021-06-18 21:44:58 (edited 2021-06-18 21:54:56 )
@Tyler the Zapatista movement, which is a Democratic, socialist, Marxist group. helped supply and fun the cartels in the 80s. in hope that it would destabilize the nation and weaken the government and army of Mexico. so their takeover of Mexico would be easy. Which I would say has been working pretty well.
@the dude that's such a painful oversimplification and misrepresentation of what's happening in central America. The Zapatista's formed largely in response to American neoliberal trade policies, and a large portion of the firearms used in those conflicts are purchased in the US.
@the dude It's not even my opinion. The war on drugs was a failure and the skyrocketing rates on incarceration are proof of that. There are laws on both state and federal levels that make it exceedingly difficult for offenders to reintigrate into society after they're released, which forces them to return to illegal activities in order to survive. Your obsession with retribution over rehabilitation is exactly what's wrong with this country.
@the dude If you can't see what Gabriel is trying to imply by eliminating socioeconomic and geopolitical factors from violence in the US and referring to certain "demographics" as being predisposed to commit violent crime, then you're just being willfully ignorant
@the dude oh so now you're just going full on jingoist conspiracy mode. Sit down dude, you're done
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the dude2021-06-18 22:14:51 (edited 2021-06-18 23:01:24 )
@Tyler I mean Mexico was weekend from outside influence. The Zapatista Army of National Liberation. Play a big role and launched a full-on scale attack on Mexico in 1994 but was repelled back by the Mexican army, but they weren't defeated so they're still very much interested in grabbing Mexico and they're probably not going to stop there.
Tyler Mans really expected Gabriel to reply to his comment in a day 😂
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the dude2021-06-18 22:35:59 (edited 2021-06-18 23:44:40 )
@Tyler oh and The Zapatista Army and Mexico conflict. go all the way back to Mexico's revolution of 1910, which America had nothing to do with. With Emiliano Zapata the man who started the revolution And gave birth to the Zapatismo. They used America Canada and Mexico's tariff policy as an excuse to start a rebellion in 1994.
@Tyler so In truth we got the Marxist communist. to blame for the drug war in both Mexico and America.
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the dude2021-06-18 22:46:27 (edited 2021-06-18 22:56:53 )
@Tyler which ain't that funny. a lot of the leaders of the sanctuary cities. happen to be democratic socialist marxists. How about that. They help start the drug war by bringing the cartel over and now they're offering a solution to it by decriminalizing drugs.
Seriously and the detective made a good point. Even a dark water gun could have been perceived as a threat. “Your dead bitch”? I’m in my forties but pretty sure nobody talks like that who is about to shoot you or in general.
I have multiple hammers and the only thing that looks like a nail....is a nail. I have had multiple guns all my life and have never pointed one at anyone. It's the person, not the gun.
@Dav0d Magnum buddy I don't even know who you are or what you're talking about. But since I didn't get worked up not once on this video and you to your own admittance you have difficulty reading more than paragraph I'll assume this is your dumb mistake. Idk what you didn't read. But I get it. Stupid people can't read a lot. You'll get headaches. Just keep working on vowels with your tutor bud you'll get there. Calling it a meltdown made me chuckle though.
43:21 mins When you went and grabbed the gun, wrapped it, and went around ...(..) Police: And what was the purpose of that? MD: To save my life Police: From WHAT? The Door?? MD: Nooo, Uhm...
Um. It’s a free world. U don’t have the right to ask somebody to turn there music down. Bc who are you?! lol ppl can do what they want if it’s bothering you that much LEAVE.. he’s manipulative af!
One thing that doesnt make sense to me. The cop complained that he got out of his car and yet if a cop is getting shot at the FIRST thing hed do is get out of his car. Thats basic training lol
Why is this guy driving around with a gun at all? When I am packing for a weekend away at a BnB I'm not thinking I need a gun... the fuck is wrong with people
@Dean Azarnush you're missing the point on purpose
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Jefferson Ott2022-03-27 06:35:05 (edited 2022-03-27 06:58:35 )
Those cops both are both great interragators i almost feel like the backlash over people defending rhonda is unwaranted. OF COURSE the victim, his friends, and his family deserve all the sympathy, empathy, and all the other words. I feel like that goes without saying. This video concentrated on her quite a bit, so people are commenting on her. I thi k the hero in all this is the driver with the dreads. He coulda easily froze up, and this racist al/rageaholic woulda slaughtered 4 children for the simple act of being teenagers. Only a person looking for a problem would pull right next to a truck blaring music, then con front the teenagers in it. Im a fit guy whos been in lots of fights in his 30s, and a truckload of teenagers, white, black or zebra, would be INSANE to confront them.
If you're only going to be there for a few moments, why even bother complaining to people vibing to loud music?? Like you're gonna be gone soon and they're having fun just leave them alone :/ What an awful person
“Two handed takes longer” Not if you’re right handed and turning to the left to shoot. Literally takes zero additional time. Even if you shoot on the right and have to bring you’re left hand over, it’ll be near instant to do. Especially if you train to draw and fire that way. Also if you legitimately fear for your life (which I don’t think he did) you would want to be accurate, and using two hands makes you much more accurate. Not everyone would react this way but I would definitely use two hands even if I had to quickly draw on someone. This was my only issue with this video.
I also love the forensics with the dowels marking bullet trajectory even though bullets can ricochet and often do when being shot through something hard like a car door. Even with forensics it’s near impossible to tell if a bullets path changed after going through an object
Edit: he probably could’ve gotten off with lesser charges without the interrogation. I’m glad people are stupid to talk to cops
It does take longer. The left and right side of your body are controlled by the opposite side of the brain, which means that using both hands requires more brain funtionality which undisputedly takes longer than only using one hand to preform an action.
@OmgPotatoButt not if you move the gun across your body. You can move your left hand up while moving the gun across with your right. It takes zero additional time to do. You can’t move your wrist and shoot without injuring yourself or being wildly inaccurate. If you’ve trained to shoot guns you would understand the point I’m making. Talking about the different sides of the brain is irrelevant. You can use both sides of your brain at once, hence why you can move your left and right arms at the same time. Your point is beyond absurd and seems to totally misunderstand (or not even make an attempt at understanding) what I even said. He needed to pull the slide and already even had both hands on the gun. You can grab the gun with two hands while aiming after pulling the slide back without take ANY additional time whatsoever. If you already have the left hand pulling the slide, you can grip the gun with the left hand, while lowering it down with your right. Please tell me how that takes any additional time because it just doesn’t and I know this based on my experiences with guns. Even if it magically did take 1/100th of a second longer, IT DOES NOT EVEN MATTER! He said he’s been trained by military friends how to shoot and shoots often. If you train a lot with a gun you’re going to naturally shoot it the same way you train to shoot it, which is with both hands. But it doesn’t take any bit of extra time whatsoever and this could easily be proven in any court of law by an attorney that talks to a firearm expert based on where he was and the fact he pulled the slide with his left hand putting it on the gun already ready and literally only an inch or two from the grip
@OmgPotatoButt and taking more “brain functionality” DOES NOT mean it takes longer to do. It’s such a weird thing to say and you thing a task requiring more brain power takes longer when that just isn’t true dude. You really need to do some research and think before you say something. Running would take longer because it requires more “brain functionality” than walking. Because it’s walking but quicker which is more brain functionality. That’s the simplest way I can show you how your point falls apart. Imagine if you’re more right side brain dominant and try to run as fast as possible. Then you’d spin in a circle because the left side of your brain can’t keep up. Also that point you made is a massive oversimplification of how the brain works and is not entirely true
I almost have to wonder if it is the lyrics of the song when he hears the threats. I have had a guy get mad at what I said and it was my stero. I was not the one saying "Bitch Please" though that was MC Ride.
not justifying his actions, he is guilty 100%, but I dont think him getting out of his car was too much to incriminate him cause I watch a lot of gun stuff and self defense videos and listen to a lot of people with experience on the subject, they all say to get out of the car as fast as you can cause it turns into a death box. Yet again not defending him, just saying the detectives bashing him for getting out of the car was a little eh looking as it was a "self defense" situation
I could tell he was racist from the very first phone call. I didn’t even know what this video was but I could hear it in his tone and the certain words he used.
The way she timidly says her response to "i hate this thug music" as "yes, I know" goes to show how she probably dealt with his bullshit before. Agree, I hope she found someone better whos not a racist murderer with a temper.
@Jake Yates i think that’s putting too much blame on her. she wanted to stop for wine, how is she supposed to know her fiancé would go full lunatic on some kids
Jake kinda has a point. If Rhonda wasn't so desperately in need of wine, none of this would've happened. It's like the Seinfeld finale where Kramer jumps on the plane and causes the group the land in a town where they get arrested for witnessing a robbery and not helping the victim. That's what he means by indirectly.
@Jesse Morgan well, even in the Seinfeld episode, they were jailed for no reason. There is no duty to help someone who is attacked by an armed person. It's completely optional and your own safety should be one of your concerns.
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ben daniels2021-08-10 11:12:57 (edited 2021-08-10 11:20:02 )
@silentlamb21re:Seinfeld , the reason the were initial arrested was by breaking the local Good Samaritan ordinance .The trial backed up their total lack of any Samaritan tendencies , if I remember correctly .
@Quest4Adventure She's not a good person for doing what she had to do. She HAD to testify or e held in contempt. She doesn't get spousal privilege, they weren't married. She's a weak, weak woman who continued to support that fiIth and bolster his disgusting egotism in that opening phone call. She knew what he was like and still wanted to marry him. That doesn't make her a good person.
@Nabil Negeye How could she not know? She was with him for several years, you seriously think she wasn't aware that he was a racist with a violent streak? Really?
@Amelia Bee it's almost like abusive people hid thier motive/condition people thier with to accept the abuse? also, she very much could of lied on courtm if she belive he was in the right. She didn't, she told the truth, and she should be praised for it.
@Jesse Morgan If she hadn’t stopped for wine then her Fiancé wouldn’t have killed that kid, yes. But this doesn’t mean her Fiancé wouldn’t have killed another “thug” in the future. If he was willing to do this over music then what would he do in the future.
@Jake Yates by that logic witness number 7 is also to blame for this because if he had parked next to the truck Dunn would have had to park someplace else and wouldn't have been so mad about the music. The store is also at fault for being open and selling wine at that time. Had they not sold win the couple never would have stopped there. Had they not been open the kids never would have been there. Sorry buddy but thats just not how reality works. Its nobodies fault but the monster who pulled the trigger.
@Jake Yates Dude… did you forget that quick already? She testified against him in court!!🤦🏻♂️ She’s the whole reason why his ass is sitting in jail right now.
So by the logic I see in this thread, every time I want my boyfriend to make a stop for bum wine, I am responsible for whether or not I consider that it may result in murder.
I don't think that's how law works lol? Y'all silly. Unless I got trolled.
Watch the interview with his neighbor. He gives you a good take on this narcissist and woman beater. Rhonda got her best chance to end her relationship with him that’s why she exposed his lies and helped prepare his grave
@Jake Yates hi Jake. I think that she was scared shitless and he probably had her afraid of doing anything that he might hurt her over. Remember that he had just shot up a car full of people. She knew that the cops were going to catch up with them. They always do when they know the car plate. She did what she was told and it might have saved her life. Put yourself in her shoes if you can. I had nothing to do with her it was about her mans anger. It was him 100 %. He’s a killer not her. She didn’t tell him to do it. She was in a store buying something. It was on him. Not her. Where is your humanity brother? She acknowledged that she knew he did not like music coming from the car that HE chose to pull up next to. The kids had the right to play their music as loud as they wanted. As long as it’s not late at night. She never said anything either way about her feelings about the music. She just wanted to go and buy something at the store. It could’ve been tampons it doesn’t matter.
@chakenbacon She confirmed he never mentioned that he saw the boys with a weapon, and confirmed he said "I hate that thug music", but hey, "I don't know".
29:34 - I find it interesting how when the white officer asks him how he shot the gun, he faces the black officier and recreates how he shot at the kids. Very subtle but kinda shows that this guy targeted them because of their skin, alongside other reasons ofc.
Rhonda is an angel. She deserves so much better than him. The worst part is that she probably honestly thought he was a good guy. Sometimes people's bad side comes out when we least expect it. She is so sweet. I hope she moves on and lives a long and fulfilling life.
Its crazy to know there are people out there who think their concealed carry permit is a license to murder anyone who annoys or upsets them on a bad day… AND they have to know in this day and age there will be witnesses, camera/ audio footage, evidence & that every second of what occurred will be reviewed against the accuracy & creditability of their testimony… BUT THEN they somehow delude themselves into thinking that they are “innocent” “victim” to such a degree that they will disregard & deny themselves their legal right to remain silent & obtain legal counsel… Do they actually think the detectives are going to be like “hey its all good buddy, you were totally justified for senselessly murdering unarmed innocent people, shame on them for making you a little annoyed & upset, sorry we had to track you down for the interrogation, you’re free to go home now” wtf?!?
This guy really murdered over checks notes loud music... It's a good thing he didn't get married and have kids because those children would not have lived for long
This is one of those guys, who waits for these "life threatening situations" all his life just to prove how strong and capable he is. Guys like this will judge a situation in a completely wrong way just to self-justify their brutal actions.
How is this a life treating situation he's just a spoiled brat who got away with everything so when someone said something to him he went on a power trip and thought he would get away with it
I think he was motivated by fear and hatred of gangs. Jacksonville Florida is a high-crime district. The chances of becoming a victim of violent crime there much higher than the national average. Of course, his response to the argument was irrational and unwarranted. They did not shoot at him first. This was not self-defense. That's why he was convicted.
Took the words out of my mouth, he seems like an ignorant abusive husband who thinks he’s tough and wanted to prove to himself he is, he’s just an insecure husk of a man
@Monica Catalano I had a similar experience. I was on a bus coming back from a fundraiser for a charity and my friend and I were talking about how much money was raised. A man on the bus thought I was soliciting my business colleague (a woman), offering her money for sex. His English was poor. I suppose he could not imagine a man talking to a woman about money outside of that context. I told him he was mistaken and it was not what he thought it was. My colleague thought it was funny and started laughing. The man kept insisting he was right, became flustered, then moved to another part of the bus.
Scarier thing is that in the midwestern town Ive grown up in, how many of these guys I have met. Ive seen victims of crime get like this but also unfortunately people who were never victims and created their narratives in their head
Maybe.... more likely is that he grew up being screwed with, got himself a "nerd" occupation, got some money and wanted to go shooting. Concealed carry training requires threat evaluation and getting out of the line of fire.
What he did was stupid and had an air of malice to it.
@Monica Catalano " do not accept any other possible interpretation. A bit like people who believe in conspiracies!"
There are some real conspiracies.... in the early days of World War One US based banker JP Morgan Jr loaned the British 2 billion dollars in "war loans". That's the equivalent of $52 billion dollars today. Solid gold dollars, not bit patterns in a computer or database. The British came back a while later, told him that they couldn't repay the loans if they lost the war. Morgan began to lean on his fellow Plutocrats to change things.
First it was arming the British. US companies began to manufacture weapons for the British, in violation of neutrality. The P14 Enfield was a US manufactured rifle that fired a British 303 round. We started manufacture of explosives and artillery shells for the British. We would later make the Mosin-Nagan for the Tsar's army.
Woodrow Wilson won election in 2016 as a "peace candidate". One in four Americans were of German ancestry. There are many German language newspapers in the US.
The US more or less accepted the British blockade of Germany and Austria.
A media campaign began against Germans. Dachsunds were stomped, food was renamed. German language newspapers were closed. In 1917 WIlson asked for a declaration of war. There was widespread resistance to the draft. "Slackers", people who wanted to resist, were arrested in large numbers.
Morgan got his loan repaid, with interest.
The US also invaded Russia. The Intervention. Trotsky later thanked us, the British, French and Japanese, for making the Communists look like patriots.
@Rema Bundles no, it is you who doesn't understand rly. With calling 'most older white guys racist', you are making a racist statement yourself. That is what he meant.
@Drengr The US constitution needs a sensible renewal and adjustment to the current times. I agree with you that there are groups that have no interest in changing anything because they would lose power. Happy New Year 2021!
@ce le Yeah, me too. He continuously refers to these kids as thugs, and assumed they were armed and up to no good. And when he was testifying on the stand he embellished his story of their confrontation to include them calling him a cracker. That's a term I've never heard anyone use seriously in my life, but old white people love to get upset imagining being called one.
@Jacques So what Well you definitely misunderstood the terms "Karen" or "beta". But sure go on with stroking your tiny ego. Some people really need that.
@Think for yourself his response wasnt motivated by fear....ego if anything....if he was scared he would of just minded his own business...which he should of.
@Txiv Neeb's Waffles and Shrooms Instrumentals Well suprise, so did Michel Dunn. He also didn't have a gun pulled on him.
And thankfully I don't have to worry about that much since I live in Switzerland and we don't allow any person with a room temperature IQ to buy a gun here. A shooting happens maybe twice a year.
@Drengr "scream bloody murder at the thought of a simple mental health test, an aptitude test, and a firearm licence."
What is a "mental health test"? What does that the term mean? I had evals in the past, they're pretty easy. They mess with you, see how you respond.
I don't like licensing. It's too easy to fiddle with it. Illinois and New Jersey in the US already require a license in order to purchase a handgun. How are their stats? Are they working in Chicago and Newark?
How are they working in disenfranchising ordinary people in those two locales, especially Jersey? Pretty good. I hear a lot of griping from people out that way.
Aptitude for what?
You sling these terms about as if they have some meaning external to your perceptions.
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A. Suarez2021-01-04 07:31:54 (edited 2021-01-04 07:37:14 )
@New England Aviation Spotting it seems you all say the same thing. This guy also said this during interrogation.
@Jamal Labarge A constitution that came into force 1789 might not be up to date anymore, don't you think so? There are not many native Americans roaming the streets that want your wife and your cattle and you need to defend yourself. BTW: Wall Street doesn't need gun control, stealing is their main business. The Sullivan Act is in force since 1911! Stay under your rock and work on your argumentation and on your bias, the world moves on.
I dont think this guy is a racist or psycopath. It is one of those situations where life can go terribly wrong. Everyone has those in life. Just most of the times it turn good. Does not need to be a shootout. It can be walking 5 mins before a bomb explodes or racing with your car for 1 min through the city. I dont excuse him though. He could have managed the situation in many more different ways.
His partner was remarkable. How difficult it must be to do the right thing in those circumstanced. Put honesty above love knowing you're sending the love of your life on a life sentence.
I never understood why those types of people don't just move to a waring country and enlist as a mercenary or try to be a delivery trucker/bus driver where the supply lines are attacked routinely. Probably couldn't handle real violence/war.
@Lukkaboc You need to be disciplined under those conditions, yes?
Now they could do what some Italians were doing during the Balkan Civil Wars. I read of rumors that some Italian "adventurers" would fly to the former Yugoslavia to shoot at people.
@Robert Biondo "personally I think he was just a scared dumbass." I think this is really the only explanation. A lot of people calling him racist and looking for a gunfight. I doubt that... I suspect there was some racial profiling going on considering everything he's said, but at the same time, what with the music and the confrontational attitude he recieved after asking them to turn down the music. I think him branding them as "thugs" was justified from his perspective. That turns them from a group of kids to a group of people you don't want to mess with and one of them is now visibly agitated over such an innocent request. Who's to say what they'll do if this confrontation escalates? So he ended it first. I don't doubt he saw some object or precieved some motion they made as reaching for a gun so he reacted.
To me this whole scenario happened due to a stupid escalation of a non-conflict on both sides and Dunn capped it off with misinterpreting their reactions as a threat to his life. There are likely psychological factors at play as others have mentioned, like being a gun-nut/ passive racism etc. But I think the bulk of what happened was due to him being scared and stupid.
Yo, this comment actually gave me some insight. Thank you, it's not a good thing to think that way, life isn't a movie or fantasy novel, unfortunately.
Lol. Everyone is about that life, until someone actually is. Then everybody is about that victim status. Helter Skelter, the whole world is upside down
If You don't like the Music someone is playing parked beside You, Blast Your Music as loud as possible. Just make sure You have a louder System than they do.
On this earth you can do what ever you want when I’m saying you can do what ever you want i mean you can Fight/Steel/cheat/ or have sex behind your partner back whatever those things are normally things on this earth that we are leaving but do not do one thing Bro take someone’s life no do not 😭
Yeah. No one can say what was on his mind other than what he admittedly said. If it was the guys home and was physically attacked or if the shooter reasonably knew he was going to be fatally attacked ( with weapon like in a car jack), maybe he could claim castle doctrine. But this is a killing. Be nice to everyone or you may be an asshole to the wrong person. Ain’t worth it!
He should of hidden from the "danger" Notify the people that he is armed and will shoot and if they continuing being hostile shoot shots lethal or not. Why didnt he learn that at his "army training"
These dudes ALWAYS start trouble then when they get a rise out of their “target” they pull a gun and claim “self defense”. There are trials on tv right now about the same situations. These “stand your ground” laws are being taken advantage of by these types of dudes.
right? and he said he was scared for his life but yet the kids were the ones running away?? oh and he stepped out the car, into the open and kept shooting
@Jim Jo ‘Stand your ground’ laws aren’t the issue. They’re irrelevant in this situation. This guy was looking for any excuse and made a very bad (stupid) decision. The law dealt with him accordingly. There’s nothing wrong with the law. If YOU want to flee an armed intruder with your loved ones in your house, feel free. People shouldn’t go to prison for defending their homes and loved ones. Good luck 🍀👍
He starts a confrontation with 4 young dudes in a car and pulls out a gun as soon as someone says something to him.. He doesn't need to fire shots for me to see what kind of person this is.
@Vinnie G If you put your bias down for a second, the victims literally said that it was the one boy that started the confrontation after he came back out to the car.
@Xen N Ah yes the part where Michael says: Put the music down'' never happened then? It's the freaking definition of confrontation if you walk up to 3 strangers and, in Michael's own words :''Ask / Demand'' they put the music down...
When 1 man drives up and tells three other guys "Turn your fuking music down" something is not adding up. Just turn the music down for a min and live to see another day. People need to use their head and stop being so confritational.
@David P. Alcohol was on his mind, for one. Which in no way makes this better-in fact, worse. I just wanted to point that out as that could be an additional charge in some states...
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Mary Patten2022-05-15 03:19:34 (edited 2022-05-15 03:22:33 )
When this video started, I had this weird feeling that she was going to cover for him and she was faking her anxiety on the stand.
The longer it went on, the more and more I respected her. That had to be so difficult to do, and it clearly wasn’t easy for her, but she handled it like a fuckin champ.
Sad thing is that many people, police or not, have shot and killed many people because they "think" they "saw" a gun or what could've been a gun.. All over the news/ world citizens and police have killed with that mindset or lying about that very mindset being the reason they shot to begin with.. It's so sad. I feel for that kid and his family.. RIP
The fact that the boys backed out, circled the parking lot and waited until HE left to go back to the spot, tells me that THEY were the ones feeling threatened. A car of 'thugs' would have followed him or returned fire.
_ Wayfinder _ well to say that those kids were thugs obviously implies that it was racially motivated no? I mean that word is literally always used to describe black, teenage boys. Plus if there was more gun control then I’m pretty sure he wouldn’t have been able to have a gun so easily in the first place no?
@Coochie flip flops no. that word is not always used to describe black teenage boys. and, therefore it is not obvious that this was racially motivated. yes, gun control would make it harder for him to get a gun. however, it still wouldn't be very hard. and, denying the ability for responsible people to protect themselves behind the actions of an idiot not only makes no sense, its completely unethical. just because something makes you uncomfortable doesn't mean it's a bad thing. you're allowed to not like something. you're allowed to be uncomfortable about things. you cannot legislate away everything that makes you uncomfortable, though. that creates a lot more problems that im betting you're not considering.
@Coochie flip flops I'm sorry the word thug means criminal, if YOU hear that word and think "black, teenage boys" then I think that's something for you to work out, but that's your bias.
@Zylthis I don't think it's the individuals fault of that line of thought. I typically associate the word thug with young guys that hand out in groups on the street and accost other people, usually with clothing that matches what you'd expect such people to wear. It just so happens that black people tend toward some of these traits more than white people which I think is largely a cultral thing. I also dont believe it to be inherrantly bad to be seen as a "thug" but I know that boomers especially have a problem with it
@Coochie flip flops Gun control doesn't stop people from getting their hands on guns if they really want to. There's always a black market for weapons. Even if it was made completely illegal for U.S. citizens to own guns, you can bet there would still be quite a few people acquiring them nonetheless.
@Trump2020 Thug also includes someone who pulls a gun out and shoots into a car with no regard for life. You left that out of the definition of a thug. This man acted like a gangster more than the kids who okay pretend to be a gangster. This man acted like a real gangster or thug. And he's a terrible liar. Tell the whole story.
@Trump2020 I like that fact that you are justifying murder of a teenage boy bc he and his friends didn't want to turn music down. Think about that .
Think of a problem family member you have, think of all the things you did as a teenager. Imagine you're black and you did what ever you did wrong, in front of this guy. You think you'd be alive?
Were you never a shit head as a teenager?
By the way I'm not calling the music dudes shit heads. They wanted to hear music and we're shot at for it.
@HandOfThemis to call hip hop thug music, totally makes this racially motivated. People who can all hip hop thug music, are people who call all black people thugs.
@Salmon Sandwich yeah I almost got charged with a serious crime once but I've seen JCS so ... Lawyered up baby.. the da rejected the case and they freed me 😈🤔👌 I did talk to the cops during the interrogation though... I was like I'm innocent get me a lawyer.
Absolutely. If a lawyer would have got to him beforehand, this may have ended completely different. Just imagine that. This dude getting pissed at some black guys because of music and out of nowhere decides to shoot at um thinking he's gonna scare um or something but ends up fucking KILLING one of them yet he might've walked if a lawyer would have got to him. Wow.
@MasterClassComments yeah because the prosecutor has to divulge all of the witnesses all of the evidence etc. he did have one thing going for them in the most of the time there was really loud noise on so nobody heard exactly what was being said. Unfortunately he changed his story so many times and he lied about the other man getting out of the car when there were other witnesses that were not in the car that corroborated the statements of the people that were in the car. yeah if he had shut up and just waited for all of the evidence and all of the witnesses to be assigned in the case he could have totally gotten his story perfectly straight and would have told it the first time on the witness stand and it would have been believable... In such a scenario I imagine he would have maybe got in 5 to 10 years even after being convicted because the judge would have been unable to tell whether or not the story is true. Also, I have no idea why they didn't press the issue that a weapon could have been thrown out the door of the SUV as they were driving away. I heard no mention of that and if I had been his lawyer I would have hammered that one home that... That there was ample ability for the people in the car to dispose of a weapon.
@Darío Gallegos - Based on watching crime shows, the ones who beat the murder charges are wise enough to make sure there are no witnesses, the murder can be staged as accidental and or the body is not found. Sometimes, jurisdiction can work in favor of the accused if they don't have a large police dept or DA's office with seasoned investigators. That is rarely the case in a place like Florida.
@Salmon Sandwich you'd actually be surprised. Modern evidence collection and technology really allow us to recreate scenes and scenarios with minimal to no witness testimony, given the situation. A criminal can say all they want, but evidence doesn't lie. Lawyer or no lawyer. Plus, the difference between a lawyer and an attorney, is that lawyers chase ambulances, and attorneys practice law lol. I had to be cheeky, cheers.
@milk testing woman i didn't do anything. I was charged with domestic violence but i have 2 strikes coulda done life. Btw my first strike was for a crime i was innocent of and i was convicted because i talked to police. That and more brought me to jcs
Im not a cop = u are a cop they lie like crazy in these videos 😜
@Wincofufu Game Police interrogators are more interested in acquiring confessions or incriminating evidence than actually investigating a crime. If they can get a guy to confess to something just through conversation it looks really good on their record and is often a fast track to promotion. This is fine when they've got someone who is actually guilty, but it can be devastating and irreparably destructive to justice when an interrogator is just hungry for the prestige of a confession to the point where they care more about that than correctly solving the case. Anyone who knows anything about any legal system will tell you to not talk to the police where you're not absolutely required to because they have an uncanny knack for making someone who is completely innocent walk out of the station as a criminal. Shut up and let your attorney do the talking, always.
@Wincofufu Game The police can twist and turn everything you say, AMD you can be found guilty of a crime you had nothing to do with. I know it sounds crazy, but until you have been in a legal situation, it is impossible to understand, or even believe. Trust me when I say, if you are charged with a crime, you are guilty until you prove your innocence. You can be charged with a crime, put in jail, held on lets say a $50,000 bond. Now if you can't afford to get out, how can you hire a lawyer? If you dont have the money to bond out, you certainly don't have the money for a retainer, and you can't work to put money together. So, NEVER speak to police without a lawyer present
Great, another every 7 mins you get 2 ads video. Where as I watched the entire Casey Anthony with zero ads. I don't get this channel. Great content. Shitty advertisements.
From the beginning of the interview, you can tell this guy is totally expecting the investigators to say something along the lines of, "Okay sir, thank you for your time. You're free to go." In his mind, he is completely justified. There is no inkling whatsoever on his part of how over the top pants-crappingly insane the shit he just pulled really was. I know it's Florida and all, but Jesus.
@Top Weeb ego protection. Which is exactly why he can’t understand “how over the top pants-crappingly insane the shit he just pulled” was. He mentally convinced himself that he really was the victim. First on the car ride home and again after he was incarcerated.
I honestly don’t get why someone in this situation who is obviously guilty or at least responsible for the death of a teen, and just not admit your I’ll intention. He’s already dead, wether you did because you were afraid or because you just didn’t like the music is minor. If you racist you rascist, if you scared you scared, don’t be a racist then retract under ppl eyes
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Chris Loyd2021-09-08 12:29:43 (edited 2021-09-08 12:39:22 )
Rhonda clearly blames herself for all this happening, cause she wanted to stop and get the wine.
this is why you don't drink alcohol kids, one minute you stop at a gas station to get a bottle and the next you're facing life in prison without the possibility of parole
@AK the only person responsible for the outcome of that scenario that happened like that, and his own failure, is the shooter himself. rhonda had no idea in her mind that her fiancé would do something like that, nor had no way of predicting the future and knowing that would go down. and yes i agree, it’s sick, definitely believe it was racially motivated as well, and it’s genuinely saddening that, that had happened.
It's not nessesarily that she blames herself, but rather she knows that had she not requested to make a stop for wine, then none of it would've happened. As much as she recognizes her partners actions were not her own, she can't help but feel somewhat responsible for what happened.
@TheStickyDynamite For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. John 3:16😁
@AK I disagree that SHE has ANY responsibility in this, and her actions afterwards demonstrate this. She probably (unconsciously) made the very basic assumption that she could leave her fiancée in the parking lot for 5 minutes while she got a bottle of wine, and not worry about him murdering a child.
He is completely and totally at fault here and I very much agree with the second part of your statement. He didn’t like the way a Black kid was talking to him so he decided to react aggressively and escalate the situation in a deadly way, 00% regard for the human lives in that vehicle, 100% care for his own ego and not tolerating it being stepped on. I have a feeling he feels sad for the consequences for himself, but glad for the outcome of the boy being dead. This guy seems very much like someone with narcissistic and/or antisocial personality disorder, showing no real emotion or regard for any of what happened, besides slightly when it actually implicates his guilt. His total lack of emotional responses and ease of telling lies, and various disturbing commentaries, is all very concerning.
To be honest…. Bc this seems to shed light of his character…. She could have just as well saved her own life since he is so trigger happy…. I’d hate to see her get outta line.
Shit I didn't think of it that way. Who knows for sure if that's what she's thinking. I think it's likely, yes, but that is a very good point. Maybe she thinks that, and if she did, maybe she also thought yes the wine was my idea but he could've come in with me so as to not deal with the music so he says.
A question to Americans from an European - how are you guys not scared to live in a country where someone can just pull out a firearm and shoot you over something trivial?
I think it depends on where you live . If you would love somewhere up north where the gun laws are more strict the chances of someone shooting you would be higher. But down in the south they just passed a law to make it so you don’t need a license to conceal carry a weapon, so you never know who’s gonna have a gun. I think that’s why the massacres tend to happen more up north .
@Gerald Bouey my point was more so that she didn’t feel tempted to bend the truth, unlike a lot of other people who would do that to protect their loved ones
@Dunker Bunker I think that aside from doing what is right, she also knew that it was in her best interests to testify against him. The man murdered some stranger for no reason, I think she knew that it could have just as easily been her who died
@dris If Michael didn't know he was being arrested until near the end of the interview, how much more do you think she knew? She gave essential evidence against him without knowing the whole story or that he was being placed under arrest.
How could she dispute anything she said during the interview if she decided to try and help him later on? Her testimony would immediately be thrown out the window.
I'm not disputing her character, just that it wouldn't make sense for her to even try and defend him.
@Gerald Bouey if she had planned to defend him at all she wouldn't have said the absolute truth at the police department she would have atleast left some minor details but she didn't, it's annoying to see people try to discredit her by saying she was only saving Herself
She feels guilty because it was her idea to stop and get wine
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Gary C2022-04-17 04:45:12 (edited 2022-04-17 04:45:53 )
He shoulda married Rhonda. She wouldn't have had to testify. But he might have been a piece of crap boyfriend too. I wonder how this would have played out if he wasn't narcissistic enough to talk to the police and hired a lawyer? Also, he left the scene because he was most likely drunk.
i believe he has no remorse nor feels guilty but i have a strange feeling he’s telling the truth - just refuses to admit it was a genuine mistake and that he is sorry.
Josefine honestly without a gun or anything that could resemble a gun in the car his case would still be weak... Ofc there wouldn’t be all these inconsistencies in the stories he made up on the go any time he asked, disregarding any former stories
Also, the black guy interviewing him says "do you know which one you hit"? and he immediately said "I hope it's the one that I shot"!!! Also, I believe it was a hate crime that stemmed from racism, he just would not look at that man interviewing him, I think it's because he was black.
Seeing as how thug is a doctrinal word used to describe black people existing, I would say this guy wasn't acting like a thug at all. In fact, those who use that word to refer to PoC are usually found to have ties to white nationalism.
Omega Haxors I call my blond hair blue eye white little brother a thug when he’s acting a fool, didn’t realize it was a racial thing, just thought it was an adjective to describe any one who’s up to some mischief.
@MageofDoomsie it's not a racial thing when used on white people, but is used towards black people to further the supremacist ideology that all black people are criminals. When not used on black/brown people, it's pretty much harmless
Logan Mook here’s a thing though, I have a black friend and growing up he would always call himself a thug (in reality he’d never hurt a fly), and as we got older he stopped. I asked him why and he said he was just perpetuating a negative stereotype and stopped. So is it perpetuating a stereotype if black/brown people use the term themselves?
@MageofDoomsieI think that that question comes down to personal perspective. Im honestly not sure how I feel. I certainly think anyone can perpetuate a stereotype, but I also think that the idea of generalizing an entire ethnicity due to the actions of a marginalized few is much worse than simply calling yourself one of the negative stereo types. Honestly tho I think if any black person wants to refer to themselves as anything that's purely up to them and not me
@MageofDoomsie It's not always a straight racial thing but it definitely can be and this sad situation shows how it can go to the extreme. Had these kids been white I don't think they'd be dead Micheal would've probably just thought "Stupid kids lower your crappy music" and gone on with his day but since they're black his thoughts shifted to "Oh these thugs are criminals" and looked for any reason to justify his killing.
Yeah...Thugs because they listen to music. Apparently I'm a White grandmother, aka...a thug. Because I love music too! classic case of racial profiling. I'd love to hear his definition of a thug.
@Drd20 definitely it's a huge ego thing there's clearly a lot of insecurities in the actions of a man who would willingly murder young men cause they had a rebuttal
@Mez if you're from America than that's a very narrow view, as regardless of person use, the word is colloquially used as a racial epithet. As much as I would love to take racial connotations away from words, ignoring the history behind some of those terms can be really irresponsible
Logan Mook idk from my experience I’ve not heard the word used or thought of with the connotation that the people it’s describing are black. I can’t find any reference to it originating as a derogatory term towards African Americans either. Now are there a lot of African-American “thugs”? Ya, our prison system is almost halfway made up of African Americans. But I’ve heard white people described as thugs as much as I have African Americans. Btw, I am white and have taken African-American psychology and do charity work to help thinks like the male African-American graduation rates in the U.S
And he kept saying he was worried more would show up. Even when the detective said maybe they would come back and he corrected them saying or lie showing up. As if they are just some gang members with shooters right around the corner.
@Rose Cullen idk, the word thug had been around for a long time. Bonnie and Clyde were thugs. The reason you probably think it means black people is because of all the focus on gang culture since the 80s, but society has used it to represent anyone who was a "trouble maker". I dont doubt this guy is a racist pos, but there is also truth that had he been black, this would have been just another Saturday night in my neighborhood. I can't even find a news story explaining the gun shots I heard the night before. That's the part that breaks my heart.
He didn’t say thug she edited what he said to cover up for him or maybe to avoid having to say it herself but we all know what he said and he uses that word all the time probably, when he called the prisoners animals he meant the same thing by that.
Pyropell That’s the direct definition but it’s used very often to describe Black people. They say it meaning the definition you use, but usually it’s not warranted, and the only reason they use it is to justify their actions against said people. To dehumanize them.
Pyropell One connection you could make is to stereotypes that Asian people are bad I’m driving, now of course calling someone white bad at driving is not going to be anything offensive. You can even say that to an Asian and if it’s true that’s fine but, if they are good at driving and you call them bad at driving because their asian, that’s wrong.
This guy is completely detached from reality. Not only does he kill a kid over not liking „thug music“, but then also thinks he’ll get away with claiming it was self defense and is surprised that he is charged with murder. And on top of all that he thinks he is the „victim“ in the situation.
@Scripted S. I'm the type of guy who fucking hates when people bring up race just to do it (I'm white btw), but man how can you not see that this guy clearly thought he shot somebody that was not worth to live? If you add that with thinking all 5 guys were violent, they were listening to 'thug' music then yeah, the first thing that comes to mind is racism. I bet you that guy doesn't even think he killed a human being, I mean he not once mentioned he was sorry for what he's done, he's even boasting on the phone for being 'a victor turned to victim'...
@Arch Bishop of the crusades oh please, he shot at the car thinking "he was gonna show those kids a lesson" and he wound up shooting that kid. He was already drinking and went back to the hotel and pretended like nothing happened. He might not be a racist 100000% but he for sure knows his rights and his privilages.
There’s some states where they have laws basically justifying murder as long as you can claim it was out of self defense and provide evidence. He was probably trying to rely on one of those laws but instead just failed miserably since there’s no justifying what he did
@Timmy Vawwter oh right, you just have to make it like "you can't speak the truth nowadays or you'll get hated on" to justify your racism. listening to music isn't a crime, killing someone is. yeah, it wasn't the best of them to blast the music back again but that doesn't make it in any way okay for michael to pull out a gun. he literally did it because they didn't co-operate with him about such an insignificant issue like the volume of music
@Timmy Vawwter sadly this life isn't black or white, people esp young ones are loud, annoying or break minor laws - even stealing beer from a gas station is - in my mind - not a reason to take or threaten a life. I get where you come from with your reasoning, life is still much more valuable than a simple felony like listening to music too loud in public. There are steps you can choose to take before threatening or hurting people. Usually children who lack the ability to articulate themselves they become frustrated and often switch to aggressive behavior. If that issue is never resolved this turns into a grown adult acting that way, easily triggered by small things. They are often in a ego-driven state and justify their actions through pointing out other peoples failures. Imo taking anyones life or even threatening that can never be justified over one simple mistake a stranger does. I myself was in a state of mind similar to this as teenager, I hated people and glared at them judging each step but it's simply not fair. It's not the others. It was me and I changed my thought process, starting self reflecting my actions and adapted. It's not easy if you didn't grow up in a "happy family setting" but - let's be honest - most people don't have it easy and we can't assume anything without talking to them in depth. Everyone has a story. I choose no violence until my life is in true danger, what would you choose?
@Timmy Vawwter You don't get to act as judge, jury and executioner for any crime. No society on earth accepts killing people for minor offences. The problem here is not primarily with those being discourteous to others, it is with a certain class of person (usually white, male, middle aged and middle class) feeling they need to prove they're a man by shooting someone that doesn't show them the respect they believe they deserve.
@Tc Clish He literally was implying that it was about race through his entire comment. I agree with your sentiment but this was literally was just racism lmao
@Tc Clish he called them thugs after presumably watching the video explaining that they were just normal ass kids, calling them thugs for playing loud music is where race came into play. Bc what other reason would he feel the need to label them thugs
@Timmy Vawwter What did you originally say I'm kinda interested?
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Carl Panzram2022-03-25 17:25:41 (edited 2022-03-25 17:29:01 )
Well, it IS thug music. Thats not even racist or anything like that, they litteraly constantly talk about thug shit, selling drugs, doing drugs, raping woman, killing people, killing police, being a gangster etc.
So, if it was your usual rap, it definitely was thug music.
I mean, it does throw a bad light on your character if you sorround yourself with a criminal Degenerated Culture.
Its not "black" culture to be a violent rapist Murderer is it? Its thug culture.
Hes probably still a racist, it does shines through. But still, this particular statement is entirely true, in my opinion.
I too listen too rap, but still, its NOT anything to be proud of. Selling and doing crack or opiates, doing SERIOUS crimes, taking lifes. Thats some toxoc stuff, and it DOES corrupt the minds Of young people no doubt.
@Carl Panzram don’t generalize rap into thug music, might have been started and popularized by “thug culture” as you would put it but it’s a lot more than that. A genre of music such as rap, jazz, or rock has many sub genres under each category. Gangsta rap and big band swing jazz for example differs a lot from pop rap like drake or whoever and fusion jazz like snarky puppy, but they’re both considered rap and jazz. Music can’t throw a bad light on anyones character, that’s why there’s Christian metal music. It’s about the actual character of that person, someone who assumes that a person who listens to rap music is a thug for example is probably not that thoughtful or kind compared to their peers.
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Carl Panzram2022-03-26 11:45:00 (edited 2022-03-26 11:47:40 )
@Allen Madigan Ofcourse its very diverse, not all rap is about crime and violence, but most of it is. A lot of Poprap is also about crime and violence.
And of course just listening to it doesn't mean anything, but bring involved and assimilating to that culture DOES mean something. In my social environment there are plenty of people who sell drugs and glorify violence and crime, and the reasonnfir that is that they are CONSTANTLY sorounded by "idols" who talk about that stuff, and then they are also sorounded by peers who also sorround thesmelves in that culture.
My little brother of 12 and his friends litteraly want to be criminals when they grow up. Its not just some juvenile stupidity, no being violent and criminal is something they actively idolize. They hate the police, they hate any authority, they dont respect woman, they dont respect their peers, they dont resoect the law, they dont respect anything. This probably wouldn't have happened if their lead cultural influences would have been good.
BTW my brother has a healthy and functional home, a loving mother and father, me, my sister, a good neighborhood etc.
I dont know, i do think that it does corrupt people. It used to be a niche culture, it was young black people raooing about their life and its troubles in the hood. No one iutside of that environment though it had a meaning to them, it was simply music. Nowadays its just fake idiots peddling and glorifying a culture of violence and crime.
Talk shit, stabbed people, rob people, kill people, do drugs, sell drugs, be a prisoner a lowlife criminal. Thats NOT good.
Ofcourse people dislike it, and judge you for it.
Imagine someone listened and glorified nazi music eith texts that call for genocide and ethnic cleansing. Yiu wouldn't want to have yiur people listen to that and idolize those "artists" and you wouldn't like people who do sorround themselves in that culture, right?
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Allen Madigan2022-03-26 22:36:33 (edited 2022-03-26 22:41:50 )
@Carl Panzram sometimes you just gotta think for yourself and appreciate art however you feel is appropriate. You could make the same argument about culture modifying behavior about a lot of stuff it’s just part of being human. Not all rappers associate themselves with criminal behavior and those that do are often ostracized by those who hold themselves and their practice to a higher standard. Most people don’t have the faculties to think for themselves when it come to culture so maybe artists or whoever controls PR for artists should hold themselves more accountable for the messages that might be construed from their art, but that kinda seems anti free speech
@Carl Panzram dude...Tom Macdonald is a rapper who has saved countless lives through his music. Dax is much the same way. Yeah there is some rap that talks about bad shit but the dame can be said gor any kind of music. Many artists are trying hard to get rid of that shit. My point is you cannot make such accusations and still be logical
@Carl Panzram it also bares to mention that I was like you up till a few years ago. I was a metal head and the only rap on my play list was beastie boys. I did not like what was being produced and assumed everything in that genre would be the same. Then I found Tom Macdonald who have me a light to follow out of darkness that had became my life. A rapper brought me back from the edge of suicide. I swear I will never again aloe myself to be judgemental over anything luke that ever since.
@Rodney Bever like I said in another comment - you're waiting for your wife in the store to get a bottle of wine, you're not at the drive in movies. Ignore it while you're there.
@sad satan Its not entirely about whats being said, but about the meaning behind it. I listen to rap, i like it a lot, but purely as a art. I dont believe in killing cops, competitors, or being violent and misogynistic. A lot of rap artists do tho, and a lit of rap fans do too.
Do horrorcore artists and fans believe in murdering people? If horrorcore would be extremely popular in a large Culture of serial killers, it would be something else.
I also hear her potentially changing the actual word he used in order to not have this case turn into a racially motivated one, which it very well was, despite that not coming to light.
@commoguru in most areas, it’s not illegal at all if it is illegal it’s mostly punishable by a fine :( def not worth loosing a life over that’s for sure
@Sir Dankleberry how dare the world around you not conform to your desires. Life isn't about having it your way all the time. It is up to you how you react. Negatively or positively. Choice is yours mate. I choose virtue.
@Allen Madigan ok yeah but also like it’s 3 17 year old kids trying to act tough and cool. You really think they are listening to Drake instead of Kodak Black? No way.
@E N you completely missed the sarcasm of my remark there partner. The comment about people who get triggered was not meant to be literal. But the rest of what I said I meant with all my heart.
@Mark not all. Dax has recently inspired 10's of thousands of people to fight addiction with his amazing song "Dear Alcohol". My life was pulled back from the brink thanks to Tom Macdonald. I am 47 and just started liking some rap a few years ago and have learned that I was wrong. In fact Tom Macdonald is completely against the drug and gang and money and cars and all that bullshit and raps about things to enlighten his listeners. Give Tom's song "Castles" or "Angels" to see that rap and hip hop can indeed be good.
@E N shhh you know too much to be dealing with us commoners, spare us from your soul crushing intelligence oh great and powerful YouTube commenter we are not worthy
Interesting comments 🙄 Exactly why I am glad he will rot in prison and while he is rotting I’m sure he won’t be telling anyone to turn down the music 😎
@Bail So if that was rock music playing with whites boys you think he would’ve shot them ? You don’t have to get recorded saying the n word to be racist. His actions speaks for itself.
Rhonda's voice shaking as she recounted the events broke my heart. I can only imagine the amount of guilt she holds for Jordan's death. i wish her and the other boys in the car the absolute best.
I don’t like other people’s music either but in order for me to have freedom to play the music I like in public, I have to allow them their right to play their music in public.
Even if you believed even 1% that he feared for his life, how disturbing that he didn’t freak out when he’s told the kid didn’t have a weapon. He just shrugs.
herogibson what would he have to do in order to convince you then? We can’t make any obvious inferences from people’s behavior now? Does this man have to say “I AM A RACIST” in order for it to be obvious?
Detective 1: “what were u shooting at?” Michael: “ at the rear door” Detective 1: “ what was the purpose of that?” Michael: “to save my life” Detective 2: “ from the door?” 😂
I really respect his fiance; he tried to manipulate everyone, including her, and she told the truth regardless. Regardless, this was a disgusting waste of life of a young man who did nothing to aggravate a shooting. I hope he rots in jail, and I hope the family of him and the three other victims are healing from the trauma. This was disgusting to every degree.
@Nathan Harrington I believe it's when the teens turned the music back on (truly dangerous behaviour) and he 'couldn't tell if they were singing or what' (paraphrased) but they were saying things like 'I should kill that bitch'. He rolled his window down and asked 'are you talking about me?' (which is different to their report of him saying 'are you talking TO me') and one replied 'yeah i'm talking to you'. He then claimed to see a 'barrel of a shotgun or stick' (two very easy mistakes to make, obviously) despite the fact no gun or stick was found in or near the vehicle, took this as an immediate threat to himself and pulled his gun out. One witness claimed he heard him say 'no, you're not going to talk to me like that' as he clocked the gun back. He then started firing at the unarmed teens, got out his car and fired another round AFTER THEY'D STARTED DRIVING AWAY. His fiancé then exited the store after hearing gunshots and he demanded her to get in the car and drove off to a hotel where he had pizza and walked his dog whilst 'fearing for his life'. The genuine absurdity of the situation and his pathetic attempt to defend such a disgusting attack on young black teens (who already face enough pathetic racism and stereotyping) who were unarmed and had no track record is ridiculous and sickening. I hope he rots in jail and experiences all the pain, torment and fear that the victims and their families experience daily, especially since they lost an only son and a friend. He is worth nothing, he took an innocent life and tried to be the victim. We make mistakes, some worse than others, but his lying and manipulation automatically makes him disgusting and worthless. Prison is too good for him, but so is death.
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Igor Chopyodikov2020-06-19 13:43:57 (edited 2020-06-19 13:44:19 )
@Nathan Harrington I think it was the part of the conversation where they threw F-bombs at him, which they confessed to. And because no dialogue is mentioned after they said that they were talking to him, I think he then proceeded to say what Witness #7 heard and unloaded his gun on them. Anyway, that is just my perception.
"In my mind, there was a gun". Okay, and in my mind, I'm a millionaire but, when I go to the bank, the tellers say I only have 63.76 in my savings account. Clearly, the bank doesn't understand that if I want something to be true, then it's true. That's how reality works.
Just imagine, if he had the brains to shut up and demand a lawyer, he'd probably be free right now. Lucky for the rest of us, he was an idiot and got what he deserves.
Yeah it’s hilarious how clueless he was when it came to dealing with the cops. He totally incriminated himself then asked the detectives if he should get a lawyer as if they’re there to help him out. Pretty sure one of them smirked at his naïveté when he asked that.
WesMan because he’s narcissistic and thinks he’s smarter than everyone. Like the staged call to Rhonda, not helping at all but thinks he’s being strategic
He likely still would have been convicted of attempted second degree murder for firing at the car as it drove away. The three passengers were not in conflict with Dunn at all, yet he continued to fire. Yes, we’re lucky he’s off the streets. He’s extremely dangerous.
Nah. He would have been convicted. Too many witnesses saw him shoot the kid. They took down his license plate and it is undisputed that he drives the Volkswagen, owns the gun, and was the only person in the car WITH THE GUN at the time of the shooting. He got out of his car for Pete's sake and was still shooting in a stance!--because the woman was in the store. Talk or no talk, he's going away.
He actually thought he was more clever than the police, that's what fucked him up! He thought he wasn't in any trouble but realised when they said this is NOT one of them cases where you did the right thing! I thank God the jury got it right! Rip jordan.
I actually would keep silence except for immediately demanding an attorney, even if they accused me of stealing the Statue of Liberty or - in my Country, Italy - the Coliseum...
He was lie and let lie,all those guys were doing was buying snacks and were getting ready to leave thats why they turned music back up,his intent was trouble,because he did not like the loud music,he started it and ended it,middle aged and showing toughness or so he thought a misunderstanding.
She knows that if she never wanted to stop for wine, this whole incident would have not happened, she probably blames herself in some way. Honestly I think the murder and Dunn's perspective / perception was heavily influenced by the alcohol he was drinking at the wedding..I don't buy the whole "he's a monster" narrative, just an inebriated idiot with pre-conceived notions that ended up costing a young man his life and ripping him away from his family...They really threw the book at him though...I have no idea what was actually running through Dunn's mind when he decided to open fire, though I'm sure it was alcohol influenced (which doesn't excuse it)..It's tragic for the victims family but I still don't see Dunn as a monster...there's a lot of elements at play here and maybe he's a racist bigot with a giant ego, or he could have been genuinely afraid and reacted in what he thought was justifiable...maybe a mix of both?
@E M It's the correlation...He wasn't a killer beforehand and was under the influence of alcohol when he decided to open fire..I'm only saying that a sober brain probably would have approached the situation differently than an intoxicated brain..At the end of the day it's still his fault, I just think it's sad that alcohol played a part in ruining his own life and taking the life of another..Also it wasn't even brought up in the video but, he was also driving while under the influence and we all know how much they tell you not to do that, and there's good reason why they tell you not do that
@E M you are completely correct. Dunn has run through this scenario countless times in his head. His fiancee said that he always talked about how he hated "thug music." He himself talks about how he'd practice at the range and rehearse a situation similar to this. He wanted the chance to do this for a long time and maybe the alcohol helped a little, but a few drinks only helps to reveal the true man underneath
@Max alcohol just sped up the inevitable, he was clearly thinking about it before he shot the gun so how was he not a killer before he drank alcohol. Of you kill someone it means you've been thinking about sober alcohol just gives people more balls
max stamb alcohol lowers inhibitions but that means he has that within him to kill without those inhibitions. Murder and rape under alcohol influence isn’t because of alcohol, even if it was a catalyst, it was only a catalyst for what was already within that person
Nn Bb very true. me and my friends have been drunk and pissed off countless times, and we’ve never even laid a hand on anyone, let alone KILLING someone!!! even someone with real bad anger problems wouldn’t kill someone if they had any empathy or remorse
The sense of entitlement. Is it rude to play music loudly? Probably (not blaming the victims here, just making a statement about Michael's entitlement) That being said, you're in a public fucking place. Don't like it? Too bad. Stay in your house the rest of your life.
Jordan's mother, Lucy McBath, became an activist AND U.S. Congresswoman (GA-6) after her son's murder. She had two sons - one passed in 1993, and the other was murdered. Heartbreaking. 💔
@M.J.E. also her first son died when he was a child, no one mentioned gun violence. How about you self-reflect on your thinly veiled misogyny and get some therapy. Hope you’re happier someday.
@M.J.E. sort yourself out mate, i'm just going to assume you're trolling for a reaction. That's a very sad way to live but that's just the way people are.
@Nugget blaming a woman for her child being killed by an unhinged stranger? And blaming her for the death of her other child about whose death they know nothing about? Yeah, to me it's plain misogyny when they are ignorant about a situation and instantly blame it on a woman who had nothing to do with it. It's ok though, keep spreading condescension !
@Caleb Reutener absolutely because Republicans have always supported the rights of ALL Americans. Not once have they tried to take the rights of minorities away, after all they are all about love, Jesus and fairness. Right?
@Michael McCray Yeah, her first child was likely stillborn or died shortly after birth due to a condition that made it nearly impossible to carry her child to term. The second was a typical defiant teenager murdered for blasting music bysomeone who got really offended by it. Real thug life there... 🙄
@Corinne Givens it is so obvious that you live in a suburban neighborhood in a bubble of unicorns fairies and other pleasantries
Please visit the west side of Chicago around Pulaski and 290 and you'll see how these "good parents" have their kids active running around on corners where crack and heroin is constantly being sold and used
AND BEFORE THERE IS A FLOOD OF HATE RESPONSES
This is the ABSOLUTE NORM in these communities then when their kids die in a gang shooting which so often happens they get on the news and cry and cry when in reality
THE PARENTS SHOULD BE THROWN IN JAIL FOR CHILD ABUSE/NEGLECT
@Michael McCray Sure I'll come visit but I can't leave my suburbs for to long. My unicorns can't take care of themselves. Duh they're not magical unicorns. Thanks for the invite homie! That's mighty white of ya! Have a great day!!☺
@M.J.E. He’s never been arrested before, no weapons and the other son died as a child. To blame the parent for what a racist did and what someone else did to her eldest child says that you’re no different than this racist, murderous criminal…so who’s the “thug”? lol 😂
This guy fired ten shots into what was initially a stationary car at close range and only managed to hit one of the four occupants. With that kind of marksmanship, he belongs in the Russian army.
the multiple times he told her "i love you, you know that?" on the way back home, is a clear form of emotional manipulation for her testimony, like he's saying "whatever i come up with, you will back, right?" and im happy she saw it
Bullshit. He knew he was going down regardless. He was also just comforting her. Thats just whats true. No reading into bullshit. People are rarely so methodical with something like this happening
@HeyGuy4321 there’s a difference between knowing your methods and knowing u are using them and naturally using it as a barrier to protect yourself. just like a cat has a instinct to prey on a noise. would be the same to him naturally trying to manipulate her with or without him fully knowing. no bullshit
@HeyGuy4321 People who manipulate are OFTEN methodical in their tactics. And this guy wasn't some scared child who was in over his head. He sat there for an hour trying to fit the facts into the narrative he was constructing. He does this frequently because it's probably worked before. Was trying to comfort her? Maybe.
@HeyGuy4321 No way! He had no idea he was "going down"... did you see the shock come over him when he finally realized the interrogators weren't buying his fantasy? He is self deluded and narcissistic and acted in line with that personality type. I have seen this exact tactic in an abusive relationship before.
She did protect him though. She never once called the police. Not at the gas station, not at the hotel, not at their house. She received a call from police at their house and that's the only time she started talking.
@madi She was merely looking out for her own self interest. According to Dunn, they barely discussed the incidence, had more wine and Pizza. She was afraid of lying for him as she would have been facing charges of perjury and acessory after the fact. She cared about saving her own life, not that of the boys. Again, after this incident, she drank wine and had pizza.
@shaaronie Probably she didn't even know that he had killed a teenager. The policeman said it clearly: he luckily "only" killed one guy, but could have killed the 2 guys more shooting that way.
@Nacho Vinssac during her interrogation, she admitted that they'd bothof saw the incident on tv the next morning. Instead of suggesting that they call the police to report his involvement,she saidit she demanded to be taken home, she did mentionedthat concern for her dog back home. I am sorry but her teeny tiny Melanie Griifin voiced and poor me tears did not cut it. If she had on mentioned that she asked Dunn for more details, or anything along the lines of care beyond herself,I would agree with you. I she did not care what happened, I she only cared about NOT being involved and of course poor Charlie, the dog.
@shaaronie I'm pretty sure she mentioned that she wanted them to go talk to their local sheriff. We know the facts of what he did, she doesn't. All she knows is that he felt the need to use his gun and that a life was taken. The police aren't your friends, especially if their not your local law enforcement. This wasn't him admitting to her that he'd committed a crime and even then its important to talk to someone you trust about what to do. There's a reason that these videos are of people who didn't choose to wait for a lawyer and has moments where he even mentions that a lawyer would have told them to do things differently. You run to the cops if you're a victim, but if you're also potentially the aggressor/criminal you talk to someone you can trust within the law enforcement system first.
Beyond that though, of course you would want to be in a place you feel comfortable when you're not the person that shot somebody and are currently in the presence of that person. Emotions are a thing.
@shaaronie huh? What does that have to do with anything? The dude himself is deluded and doesn't think he unjustly killed someone. Why should she? More so, of she did, why should she put herself in danger? The kid is already dead, she's not suggesting moving to Mexico to hide away. She suggested getting on home turf to collect their thoughts and better handle everything. My main point really has nothing to do with her character because regardless of character I think she did the right thing 🤷🏽♂️. You don't run into a police department with your pants bellow your knees and a ketchup stain in your shirt unless someone just did something illegal to you.
@Death2Boredom Pure speculation on your part. You're seeing her for what you'd liked to see and I see her for what she actually did. She either did the right thing or suffer the consequences. It's not like she had a choice in the matter.
@Death2Boredom Actually what she testified to is that they never discussed the incident much at all, after he explained the gun shots that she'd heard. She accepted his explanation that he'd simply shot at some "thugs" and went to the hotel and ate pizza and drank wine. She ate pizza and drank wine. Sounds like a party to me.
@shaaronie As I said, I'm not seeing her as anything more than someone that did what you're supposed to do before going to the police as anything other than a victim. You seem to more want to live in a mystical world of purity and justice. Acting out of purity and justice can land you in jail.
@shaaronie I mean, if you're already drunk and the pizza is there why not. At the time you don't know if anyone is dead and there are no wounds on the person you're with. You weren't the one that shot and your also now stuck with the person that did fire a gun in public like it's nothing, best to just let the alcohol and pizza smooth things over.
@Death2Boredom Hmmph! You're describing yourself. A few sniffles and a teeny voice and you're convinced?!!! Wow! I like fairy tales too but I love facts and analysis much better. Show me a human that's in love with a racist and I'll show you a racist!
"I'm the victor" nobody who had to actually shot and then kill someone in true self-defense would ever say that. You are never a victor when someone has to die.
@kish bish He wasn't in a life or death situation you think he's gonna get out and shoot with no cover if he's scared?! Why make excuses for him he's the WORST kind of person....he deserves what's coming, self defense my ass.
I feel sick !!! This comment gets 20 likes 🧐😒 yet poor Rhonda comments get 40k we live In a fucked up world full of psychopaths and Michael Dunns may you all rot in hell 💯 RIEP JORDAN 💔😇
@Rubi Dechambre they’re saying comments like these get much less likes than a comment saying “poor rhonda”. Which is true and weird. A kid lost his life. I’m not really dwelling on the wife.
@Xephyr It's way too easy to let politics get in the way of criminal psychology, and that's why it tends to be a huge debate when racism is involved. From an objective standpoint, you know damn well this guy wouldn't have shot a couple of white boys listening to music. The murder was racially motivated.
What's worse is that with how statistically corrupt and racist police tend to be, you can easily draw the conclusion that he expected them to be on his side. And he wouldn't have been wrong on any other day.
But there's a certain narrative some people like to preserve. A narrative that racially charged violence doesn't exist.
Just watch out for it. And if you're reading this, try to check yourself for that narrative.
@Mr. Erik He specifically said "they are violent" while referring to black people in general during his prison call with Rhonda. He is for sure ab actual racist.
@avenger31X That's fair, when i heard that i thought he talked about young people 'in the hood' in general but now that i think about it he probably reffered to black people as you said
You have described Michael Dunn perfectly. He says he left the scene because he was still scared? He nearly emptied his gun while the poor kids were trying to get away, no way is that self defence! His racism plus a gun is a frightening situation just waiting to happen! He shows no remorse. This man is a threat to humanity and killed and attempted to kill four young lawful kids because he hated their music. Before Rhonda left the car to go into the store, he’s already telling her that the “thug music” ticks him off. Rhonda told the detectives that he had four or more drinks at the wedding and he had told them he had one toast and one rum and coke.
@Tomski McDougle I'd argue quite literally everything in this clip points to EXACTLY that conclusion. You cannot convince me white boys playing country music would have illicited the same response from this man, and his clear prejudice.
@Tomski McDougle It sounds to me like you're unable to make inferences based on context, locational knowledge, and clear evidence of lying.
Sure, this guy might not be racist. But its absolutely the most likely scenario to answer the question to why an unprovoked white man in a nice neighborhood at a public location decided to pull out a firearm and shoot many times at a vehicle as it pulls away, killing a boy. All clearly out of fear, or hatred.
You're absolutely allowed to come to a different conclusion. But I will never see a crime with these circumstances and pretend it isn't a racially charged white man with a twitchy trigger finger.
@Flammen Official And as a spectator of an official proceeding, I am absolutely within my rights to make inferences based on evidence provided to me. I do not claim to be an expert, have any sway on an official verdict, or in any way act as the judge or juror of Mr. Dunn. Nor is my classification of anyone as a racist directly associated to whether or not they are guilty of a crime. Not sure where that wildly unfounded claim comes from.
I am absolutely allowed to call some dude a racist on the internet. And you're absolutely allowed to come to a different conclusion. Have a wonderful rest of your day.
@Mr. Erik his perception of a bunch of black kids is what makes him racist. He threw damn near every stereo type we’ve heard at them. Calling teenagers that are acting like teenagers animals and thugs when he knows absolutely nothing about them says it all.
@tutorial: brush him Amen. Even when he said to the officers he "didn't want to cause them to loose sleep" he only motioned in the direction of the white officer. It's sad that this is real.
@Mr. Erik calling black people that you don’t even know “thugs” is a pretty good indication of a racist person. Especially when you see them on the stand and they’re well spoken, respectful young men
@Xephyr I think his point is that this racism flows two ways. I can definitely see it as a white boy growing up in the ghetto. But yea, this seemed racially motivated, but everyone does like to make it seem it’s a one way street.
That's it in a nutshell. The entire police interrogation he was in CYA mode, not an ounce of remorse or regret for what he did. That boy was ARMED with nothing more than a fresh mouth! This bigot opened fire on ALL of them and continued even after they were trying to get the hell away!! I feel for that kid's parents.
@Carl Jones it’s extremely weird how you keep defending this point when multiple people have given you clear proof that the crime was racially motivated.
@Nick Kempf Calling people 'thugs' does not make them racist. If anything, you jumping to that conclusion would infer you could be the racist. Look up thug in the dictionary. No where does it say 'black person.'
@n8rHaack i doubt it now since people showed me evidence that clearly suggest racism, but it could be possible to be used neutrally, i hear allot of people use it to white and black people, it might be my bias but i try to not claim intent(specifically here of racism) without proof that justifies such claims
and he made himself believe he's innocent during the call as well, some people are fully disgusting and deserve no more or no less than their whole life in prison, they don't deserve death
@Flammen Official You got one thing right, you are watching a psychoanalysis video. Can't wrap my mind around how you can realise this, and then in the same breath say "there wasn't any evidence" pointing towards his racism. Do what JCS is doing, follow his mannerisms and his terminology and draw a conclusion from that..
@Carl Jones just for context, I'm half swedish (dad is blonde/blue) and half black. I don't disagree with everything you've said, and I've been reading your comments, but racism/racists is not some invented word used strictly for manipulation. Making a blanket statement about ANY group of people based on their skin color is just stupid. There is nothing about someone's skin color that can definitively inform you about that individual's nature. "White" people from Britain are vastly different from "white" people in Romania. "Race" doesn't even exist, biologically speaking. The adaptation to create melanin is evolutionary. It is not cultural, it is geographic and environmental. Racism is the enforcement of prejudice. I find that in my life, racism has had VERY little impact. My Head HS counselor told my mom (black) that her son (me) didn't need to take the SAT, assuming that her son (like many black kids at my school) wouldn't be going to university. In fact I was very nearly a national merit scholar, who also TA'd for this same counselor. Once he realized that she was my mom, it was all peaches and cream. TRUE Racism is rare, but it does happen. I agree that the news would not call black on white crime racism, even if it was. Most news is super leftist and "woke". The hyperbolic use of racism at every turn, like other "boy who cried wolf" scenarios, ruins the actual times when it does happen. I.e. women who file false rape charges ruin the perspective and ultimately the trials and perceptions of women who are actually raped.
@Mr. Erik its pretty racist to automatically assume a group of young black men are armed and dangerous. Even if he didn't think that in the moment and just made it up for the sake of the interrogation, that means he thinks it's more plausible that a group of young black men are violent. He 100% believed that as long as he held on to that horrible racist stereotype, he'd go free. Even if he never actually says "I hate black people", he still does apparently.
@Xephyr You put it perfectly! Men like him filled with racist bs in their hearts and own guns are looking for opportunities to unload on people they hate, and that was what this was, his opportunity and he shows it by how hard he tries to paint himself to be the victim when a teenager (tbh a child still) lost their lives due to a grown ass man's hatred.
Marcos 989 there’s this thing called shock and denial. Normal human reaction when your entire life suddenly changes. Should have, yes, but what matters is that she cooperated in the end.
Samantha Simental thank you for commenting with some sense. People always forget about the role emotional and/or physical abuse play within a relationship. On top of that, like you said, the dude just went from 0 to 100 real quick and dangerously; a lot of the folks here saying “I would’ve done this or that in the moment if I were in her shoes...” no, you wouldn’t have. You would have been just as petrified as she was, ffs.
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Randy Lin2020-02-24 18:29:02 (edited 2020-02-24 18:42:05 )
@Will she did not know anyone had been hurt. The car was gone. She was drunk and in shock and probably tired from the days events. And she was probably afraid of him. Easy to judge after the fact isnt it?
@Guides Galore What a weird thing to get upset over lol. I didn't refer to her as a woman to make some "girl power" statement. I called her a woman because she's a woman.
Well there’s this thing called perjury so...🤷🏻♀️ she kinda had to tell the truth unless she wanted to be charged with perjury and thrown in jail as well.
Man I feel for the victim's family. Can't imagine what that's like to be put in that painful predicament to not only have your son killed because a racist's fear but hear you're sons killer tell lies right in front of them. RIP
Man not enough people talk about how rock solid those kids had to be to deal with two trials, the horror of losing their friend in front of them, and the kid who saved some lives by getting his buds out of there.
Arw, they made a gangsta rap about the incident a month later, and everybody looks up to them. They are considered "cool, poor and black and heroes". I wouldn't care too much. They're fine.
@PowerStikk StikkPower A little mean of me, yes. Actually I'm trying to be entertaining, and to get people to react. The incident took place 9 years ago.
How'bout: Most people commenting here are black people, moaning over Jordan's death 9 years ago. Wailing along "racism, racism, racism.
I'm a Danish guy, from Danmark, Northern Europe, and have zero connection to the USA, but I am good at looking into people's brains.
Wouldn't you agree that this incident SCREAMS for a gangsta rap?
@Me Ballerman like i said your not in the us. you don’t know how they treat poc here. so you talking is irrelevant because you’ll never understand and clearly you ain’t did no research
@Me Ballerman and your forgetting the fact “ASSUMED” he had a weapon and he was “saving his life” but after he shot the first time and realized they weren’t shooting continued to shoot. even as they were pulling away
@Jo’kesha I totally agree with the prosecution - Dunn drew his gun to put an end to Jordan's insults, just as the prosecutor stated. He didn't fear for his life, he just couldn't have Jordan talking to him like that, so I'm not defending Dunn, but I can see his situation, and feel a little sorry for him. He should've cut down on the liquor before he got in his car.
What I'm saying is that Jordan most likely was as much of a racist as Dunn.
By the way - Dunn isn't accused of racism - he's accused of murder 1.
If you ask me, his sentence is a little harsh - think about the cop who had a lot of fun placing his knee on the throat of the other black guy (can't recall his name) until he died. If I remember correctly, he got 30 years or so - on a much milder paragraph, "misuse of force" or whatever it was.
I think the cop should have the life sentence - and Dunn the 30 years.
Why? - Because Dunn did what he did out drunkenness and stupidity and some pride. The cop with the knee, on the other hand - did it out of pure evil, he enjoyed every second of the guy dying under his knee.
@Me Ballerman like your response, it's a good rebuttal. I would take out the second paragraph if I was your publicist, and it's perfect. As a white guy from California, who is a big fan of "thug-rap" if there isn't a song about this that's a shame, and If there isn't I've got lots of black homies who would hella write something that slaps about this story.
@Jo’kesha I think racial tensions are worse than most foreigners would realize. I was born and grew up in Stockton California till I was 18 a white kid where there was no clear minority, there were just as many Asian people as Hispanic, and white and a large black population, and it's very metropolitan racism doesn't seem to be a thing. But now I live in Boise, ID and there are tons of white people, and people of Mexican decent, and that's it. I joke that I know all the black people in Nampa with my friends, but every city in Idaho other than Boise is so monogamous, sheltered, backwards thinking, and cops can be brutal to the locals of any race they fuck with and kill with impunity people of every race in America the deciding factor is if you're poor, or not, not what color your skin is. Your skin makes you more likely to get shot by the police in most places, but not all, but being poor makes you fair game for the police everywhere no matter what your skin color is.
@Me Ballerman damn, what a racist thing to say and assume. That never happened, they never made any song. The fact that you assume that they instantly profited off the slaying of their friend is horrible and you should be ashamed.
@Me Ballerman this is really really not okay. i can understand that it might not be as bad in other places and that maybe it’s more okay over there to make these kinds of jokes, but racial issues prevail largely in the us. it’s a big problem, this is a big problem, and you cannot come in here treating it like it’s a joke. i’m sure you didn’t really mean it and you didn’t realise the severity of what you said but please keep in mind next time, this isn’t okay. /lh/nm
@callum this guys clearly a lost cause. Racism is just as rife in Europe as it is in America. I’m from England and it’s still extremely prominent here. This guy claims to be from Denmark and I have friends over there who also say racism is sadly prominent there too. Bottom line this man is a racist and arguing with him is pretty futile as sad as that is to admit. The only way to prevent racism is not to provoke these people and instead to educate them before anything bad happens or gets said.
@SOULREAVER654 By mistake I wrote an answer to you, but it was to another person. I have now addressed it properly. But the opening lines in said answer is actually to you, about the bot. A little stressful to answer to different people, and get things right.
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Me Ballerman2021-09-16 15:35:30 (edited 2021-09-16 15:58:41 )
@Charlie Borthwick I shall do that first thing in the morning - fine, but you did not answer as much as one single one of my questions. OK, it was too hard for you. But can you answer the last question, just that one, and forget about the others.
I asked: HOW MANY languages do you speak and write? Are you an English monoglot? Do you need education? - Oh that was 3 questions.
Just tell me if you are an English monoglot, then. That's all I need to know, then I can deduce what I already know about you from that.
Me Ballerman2021-09-16 15:54:12 (edited 2021-09-16 15:56:26 )
@callum Damn, I wrote a very good and polite answer to you, but BLM bot didn't like it. I'm actually getting better at circumventing it, but I'm not 100% there yet.
OK, now I will just say thanks for a good and intelligent answer from you. I tried to explain the reason for my rap joke, but BLM bot saw something it didn't like.
I'll try an ultra short version then: I got tired of reading "we're victim's of white privilege" answers/comments from black women. And the "sweet baby boy" also got to me. I then explained to you what little baby boys do, and what they don't. Bot deleted instantly. Maybe this will work.
Anyways, you are right it was a little over the top of me with the rap joke. But I still think I'm witty, you don't need to agree. And you are also right that we in Danmark can get away with saying/writing stuff that you cannot in the US. But not for long, we are implementing BLM bots here too. In 2 years from now, it's over. We will lose the last bit of free speech that we have.
"You overwhelmed me with facts, and now I just walk away as I have no way of winning a war of words against you, Me Ballerman. Even in my own native tongue you are too bright for me to deal with"
That is OK my friend. If it aint raining at your place, you can go out and play some football. Actually a good idea.
@Me Ballerman I would be contradicting my own original statement if I was to engage in an argument with you. Hence I’m not. That’s all that needs to be said bro. Have a good day
@Me Ballerman being born black doesnt make you worse, your skin color has nothing to do with it. It's the communities you were born in that shape the way you will live your life. Those communities were based off racism. So yes, what you said was correct, but you drew the wrong conclusion from it.
@Me Ballerman Denial, denial, denial, you are just like those guys. Your "answers" are either nonsensical rambling or short and pointless statements like this one. Get some help.
@Biosquid239 But people keep addressing me. Now you said something to me. I opened you tube to look for a vid about "how to remove front bumper from a Corsa C" - and already 2 people have addressed me in the Dunn vid. I always look up announcements. And now I will answer the other guy addressing me, and THEN turn my attention to the bumper vid.
@Me Ballerman Dunn got life because he put many people in danger. I believe you’re missing the fact that Dunn shot a gun in a public area (A GAS STATION MIND YOU) he took Jordan’s life and put everyone else around them in danger whilst attempting to take the life of the other two kids in the car. His sentence is not harsh, it’s reasonable.
@Me Ballerman I don’t think realists automatically assume black kids who were fired at made a gangsta rap song first thing. You’re too prideful of your racism as if that’s supposed to validate your points. It just comes off as you knew you messed up so you’re trying to act as if you meant to do that. You know nothing of US affairs. Stay in your lane.
@That One Titan oh yea right online where the victims family can see it sure that makes them feel great and clearly dude wasn’t joking after the first reply he was serious asf 🤣
@ELLERRRR Tbh freedom of speech is more important to me than the family's feelings. He's welcome to make any joke he wants (even if it's not a joke and is kind of racist), you're welcome to tell him he's dumb, and I'm welcome to tell you to lay off him. That's the beauty of free speech. None of us actually have to listen to the others 😅
@That One Titan sooo their child jus died and basically you’d rather read a joke that you’ll prolly forget in 2 mins that the family may remember forever?Nice I’m sure buddy got the attention he needed. ... I’m assuming you’d like someone making unfunny jokes about your dead family member. Desensitize us to the wrong things as much as we can as they prepare us for the worst and people still trust them am i rightttttt
@ELLERRRR You still didn't answer, probably because you know you have and that makes your point seem hypocritical, but I'll answer your question. I'm genuinely curious why I'm supposed to care about them or their kid. I've never met them. Do you get this upset about all of the 50 million people who die every year? If you do, I'm not sure how you function worrying about it all the time
@Cheryl Hudson I'm not saying I agree with what he did. He belongs in jail for sure. I'm just looking on the bright side. One less person blasting obnoxious music in public, and one less crazy gunman on the streets. Both pluses in my book.
@Milky Way I am sorry you never go out. There are good people in the world and so much of life to enjoy. Don’t let the Dunns of the world take that away from you.
@M. Diane Julie Benton Yeah well that's not thr only reason I don't go out. Covid, selfish manipulative people and not wanting to be used by the women I date is why I don't go out. And lack of interest in going out. I am very much a homebody, introverted, etc.
Love watching him squirm under the mere presence of the black detective. He can't even turn to face him, yet he seems to be looking for some kind of approval from him.
I believe the foundation of this incident was definitely racial. The fact he immediately commented on the music with "you know i hate this "thug" music"... which I have a feeling he didn't actually use the word "thug".
@ThatRandomGuy Randomness there were two deceives present and the other was white and he should similar behaviour. I would say he mostly kept looking at the ground as a form of shame.
Alot of black cope in these comments, they only reason this case is even talked about is because a older white man shooting a black teen is a man bites dog situation.
@Briala B So are you insinuating only black people are thugs? That's pretty racist. Try to cover up your racism by using "I didn't mean it like that" shit doesn't erase your racism. Nice try though!
He has more social power than the detective until he committed a crime , he was just trying to sell a dumb story. Yt men don’t look up to or impress blk men, it’s backwards.
@daminox There’s a website that has a long list of transcripts, prison phone calls, letters, personal notes, statements from other inmates etc. that show him using racial slurs many times.
I applaud this woman for staying true to herself. This should be taught to all women. Never lower yourself to the level of a bad guy because you 'love' him.
i dont think she was being noble... i think she was just scared shitless by the prosecution and wanted the nightmare to be over, and also wasnt a lying type of person so anything other than the truth would have been unnatural to say for her.
my take after watching 15 hours of these videos. aha
What does that mean "true to yourself"? Does it mean to tell the truth like she was sworn to do under fear she will go to jailif she doesn't? It seems that lying is normal and telling the truth is not in today's way of being "true to yourself", whatever that means.
What does that mean "true to yourself"? Does it mean to tell the truth like she was sworn to do under fear she will go to jailif she doesn't? It seems that lying is normal and telling the truth is not in today's way of being "true to yourself", whatever that means.
I don't know. This guy is obviously pretty off. You don't see someone so blatantly fake, or so unshakabley self concerned every day. So that leaves some questions about her personality. Maybe she's honorable, or she could be a terrible person.
Nicholas McAfee I see you. And yeah. A lill. But she isn’t malevolent... she just isn’t. That’s what they mean. It’s just nice to see that. lol. Especially when everyone sucks mostly... meh.
You can totally tell by the way Michael describes his gun-skills and the way he pulled it from his glove-box that he had just been waiting for the "perfect" moment to use his gun. I bet in his twisted mind he thought he'd be a hero for fighting back against a group of "thugs" - last time I checked thugs dont usually have clean records and no history of violence.
Diesel Jr plenty of them do though. Do you really think every criminal gets caught? As a teenager I committed breaking in entering, grand theft auto, arson and even armed robbery and assault. I have a squeaky clean record. He still shouldn’t of done what he did, but you still made a stupid statement
Right, but if they did? Even if he really believed they were up to know good, how is killing them for sitting in a car justice? Who's the thug? I'm thinking the murderer.
Luxell Goldberg all four of them with a squeaky clean record? Not even a fight at school. So all of them got away Scott free? You get real. Your criminal childhood doesn’t apply to everyone else. You’re myopic.
It seems to me like she was struggling with the fact that she really loves the man, and that she feels terrible about the teenage boy who lost his life because of him. I can’t imagine how difficult that would be for her. I think it says a lot about her morals that she didn’t lie for him and told the truth of what she knew, that must’ve been really hard
There had to be a really touching moment where they convinced her to just be completely honest without worrying about protecting him. Something like "you know doing what's right is more important than love." She's such a sweetie. She said "oh sorry, am i allowed to say what i was thinking?" Just a sweet inoccent lady it makes me blush
I keep wondering why he didn't immediately call for a lawyer, but then realize he wanted so badly to brag about his gun skills and knew a lawyer wouldn't do it for him. He's so proud of himself it's pathetic.
@P Craft the kid literally didn't have a record lmao. The cop in the video even says so- so um...looks like the only scumbags are this murderer and whoever would make up lies about a dead child
@P Craft You’re probably trolling, but even if the kid did have a record (which he didn’t), he was fucking 17. A hypothetical kid stealing a candy bar or getting in a fight at school when they’re like 15 doesn’t justify fucking murdering them.
@P Craft wow ok, he was 17. Plenty of time to turn his life around even if it was headed the wrong direction. Doesn’t mean that his life had no value. It’s not trash taking out trash. Horrible wording when referring to a dead teenager.
I wasn't looking but the second I heard "I hate music like' (or whatever)that I knew the victim was black. I don't particularly care for alot of modern rap but I nor anyone including bigoted elderly black people I know of color would say anything like that because people like him use it.
I try and advoid stuff like this bc I struggle with body positivity sometimes but I had to sit through this one and listen till the end.
@P Craft you have to be trolling. Its literally stated by the officers that NONE of those kids had records. Even if they did, theyre children with their whole lives ahead of them. You don't get to decide who deserves to die, random youtube comment section troll.
Dunn had a record for drinking and driving when he was just as young as his victim. One in which lead him to spending 5 nights in a county jail. For that I'd say Dunn was young and made some very stupid mistakes, but its disgusting that Jordan isnt *given the same benefit of the doubt because he had some infraction in high school
@P Craft Just to be clear, a single instance of playing truant at school is NOT a criminal record, which is the only even MILDLY negative thing that was ever raised against Jordan. How on Earth is that a case of 'trash taking out trash'? The innocent victim had no criminal record whatsoever.
@S1deshowRob pretty accurate tbh. Same with cops, I call it DWB or Driving While Black. That's enough reason to pull a person over right there and then God forbid they twitch their hand or the cops will assume they're reaching for a gun.
It's just disgusting how people like that assume that any black person they encounter, from the streets of Harlem to a CEO, they're all probably drug dealers and that CEO probably stole the Mercedes he's driving
@P Craft even if he did have a record, that’s not worth gunning him down with your own personal firing squad. And what kind of record? Is it violent or sexual or did he steal a bag of chips or something?
@Callum Lambkin I really think he was just looking for any old guy to shoot. I think racism is definitely an issue, but I don’t think he was being racist in his shooting him. I think his justification however was very racist
@The Franchise its not racist to point that only one race exists where all other races have to take care of them or they will go extinct. It's eugenics really.
@P Craft he did not have a record. The driver had a record but was still a well behaved kid. He made a mistake when he was younger but was far from a hardened criminal.
@B G the way you say that makes me think that you’re being sarcastic. So if you are, my question is are you a doctor? and are you a productive member of society? 2 separate questions with 2 different reasonings.
@bbennyj shit man, I’ve nearly been got for truancy. I bet a good chunk of high schoolers have. That’s barely anything as far as criminality goes. Can’t believe that’d be used as a justification for an act like murder.
@Eff Yu the funny thing is you are just like Dunn. Instead of Dunn looking at himself and seeing the criminal that he was, he started judging other people because they were being annoying to him and simply being kids.
@Phil the Thrill it's assumtptive and stereotyping but isn't inferring a superiority or inferiority based on race . it is not racism per se, do not let engineered media change for you what the definition of what such a term is.
@03056932R oh I see now. The funny thing is I wasn't referring to anything that can't be fact checked. Yeah pigs can say what they want in an interrogation but the fact remains- the kid had zero record and that was addressed and made clear in this video
@P Craft You tell me hows there is only one race and the rest of us will tell you what its like to have a physically intimate connection with someone who loves you lmfao
@P Craft I got caught stealing a pack of gum when I was 7. I didn't turn in to a criminal and actually own a business now in my 30s. Where do you get your crack? That must be some good shit.
@PHOTON, The Blue Flash I am not sure if it is racism but DEFINITELY xenophobia.
Now he is the criminal and unfortunately another black young man - INNOCENT - is dead😟
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The Franchise2021-07-19 00:59:03 (edited 2021-07-19 01:06:01 )
@P Craft the biggest beneficiaries of the welfare state are white people. Look it up. There are more white people on welfare than any other race. So you’re welcome for every other race taking care of you and your people. But back to your original racist statement. Jordan Davis didn’t have a record. So defining him as “trash” and putting him in the same category as Michael Dunn is typical of the mindless and uniformed. Hitler was an advocate for Eugenics and it’s not surprising that you would invoke that logic into this discourse.
“Among the 59 million people we identified as receiving [public] assistance, more than two in five (43 percent) are non-Hispanic white people. The next largest group of recipients are Hispanic people (26 percent), followed by non-Hispanic black people (23 percent).”
Pretty suspicious of him to say that. Benefit of the doubt I’m trying to give but I can’t help but agree when none of the evidence lines up with what he’s trying to say
Phil the Thrill not necessarily racism it could be racism obviously but it could just be general aggression and being a bad person he’s a bad guy idk if he’s racist but he’s bad unless you can prove me wrong
@P Craft I like how you keep confidently replying as if you didn't already get absolutely dunked on by half this comment section for your initial comment being provably wrong. You know what we call people who speak confidently on topics of which they know nothing about?
@Pooper Scooper ltm I disagree. No point in keeping him or others behind bars for life. Give them all the death penalty and execute within 3 years on cases that have solid evidence. This is my opinion.
@Timothy Strees solid evidence to who bro. The defense of them could think solid evidence isnt solid and play word salad and what about the crimes that are horrific but it's hard to determine a specific killer? You don't understand anything about the court of law if you think shit will be that easy with no failure lmao
@Katherine Villarreal 😄I knew my comment would stir someone up. Glad it worked. I believe some people really are wrongfully convicted and should be given some time to make sure no new evidence comes to light. My example of solid evidence would have to be multiple forms. If they had dna,video and a confession without spending hours pressing the issue. That once again IN MY OPINION would be plenty to expedite the execution process . If you don't agree with that awesome! Everyone can have an opinion. Above is mine. 😃
I'm not going to be that guy that is going to lie and say I know everything about the legal system. I don't know everything,I possibly know less than you. I am okay with that. I find the "justice" system to be interesting and have a little knowledge on it. However above is based on my opinions only and not based on knowledge of how it work.
@P Craft Do you think “trolling” means “being so wrong you have to create a second YouTube profile to agree with your own comment because no one else will”? Or are you just desperately trying to bury the exchange where you got exposed for inventing fake internet friends?
Either way, I have no problem continuing to clown on you for it😉
Here’s a tip from a long time JCS viewer. Pay $1 for his Patreon. He has a bunch of videos on there that aren’t on YouTube anymore. Some of his best videos are only on Patreon.
@Ryan Stearns Idk maybe Im going crazy. I saw a comment a few days ago that was similar to this one on another video but I might've accidentally clicked on this one and not notice.
Weirdest thing - for me it was the "Legend of Jeff" video. I have no idea when I watched it, but I was recently suggested the "Crazy" video and went to binge and realized I'd been here once before haha. This channel is great, though.
I actually first got into JCS after watching a video that I guess they deleted, that was showing how people being accused for crimes they didnt do react, and it went over two different people, one who got angry and visibly frustrated about being accused for a crime, and another who remained pretty calm and calmly answered his questions
17. Cops didn't treat me like a child at 17. Funny how these terms change according to circumstance. I would be intimidated by many 17 year old "children" in a gang late at night.
@Caspers In Ireland gang doesn't always mean what you think it means. So that's reverse racism assuming I meant a criminals gang just because of their colour. I should have said group, but here we can say a gang of youths and not intend it to mean an organized criminal group with weapons and dealing drugs etc.
Legally, the term child may refer to anyone below the age of majority or some other age limit. The United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child defines child as "a human being below the age of 18 years unless under the law applicable to the child, majority is attained earlier".
As someone who lost my boyfriend when we were 17, it is absolutely heartbreaking to see someone try and justify taking such a young life. Gotta stop watching these vids, fucking heartbreaking
@Dáithi O'Cinnsealach I agree, how many of these programs have I watched, where 16 and 17 year old perpetrators were trialled as adults. American's just love an agenda and a story they can tell. The law is twisted to suit their political and or financial agenda. They don't give a shit about the victim.
Exactly... me and my friends always crused around with loud music when we first got our drivers license. Thank europe to have strict gun laws, otherwise half of the teenagers would be dead by now...
@Josef J Oh no, it's a weeb. Poor kneckbeard doesn't know how to let others enjoy what they want to enjoy without getting triggered. Which is ironic seeing as how they were the blunt of every internet joke for years and still are. My prayers go out to you for having in an interest in anime
@Cuddle Cakes 1 black dynamite ain't no anime. 2 ask any person who's not into anime or mlp witch one's more autistic. I bet you they gonna say mlp. I don't know anybody who watches mlp and isn't on the spectrum my guy.🤦🏽♂️
@Charles Lindbergh I see the sickos are coming out of the woodwork. I have a personal question for you Elliot, do you go up to bereaved people at a funeral and dis the deceased just to provoke a reaction??
@Cuddle Cakes i ain't say there's nothing bad bout being on the spectrum. Just that you and your friends prolly not act like normal teens cause you watch mlp. You acting you so much better than people playing loud music in their cars. How you gonna call me rude, while insulting a dead kid? And how you gonna say I'm bad for judging people based on what they watch, while at the same time calling people weebs?🤦🏽♂️
I always drive around with loud music I like my music loud because it helps my anxiety when driving Bc I have a lot of anxiety driving Bc I have adhd and driving with my music extremely loud let’s me focus on the road surprisingly and when I found that out I blast my music wherever I go. It’s not to be rude or annoying it’s to help me not get into an accident and that’s that. Nobody knows other people’s stories. These are obviously teenage boys having fun. I have been in a car with friends and they blast music even when I’m not driving. It’s fun for teenagers. I can’t imagine being in these kid’s situation they were probably scared to death and beside them is their friend who’s dead. That’s sickening and the fact people are actually trying to defend the guy who shot them is unbelievable. The fact he fucking left the scene too after knowing he might’ve killed someone and actually did kill someone is unbelievable to me. It’s inhumane. It’s honestly unfathomable.
Plus why would you tell someone to turn down their music if you’re only going to be there for a short amount of time? How does loud music bother someone that much where you even feel the need to tell someone to turn it down? Where are you where you are there long enough for it to bother you that much? It makes no fucking sense.
@Dev also witnesses testifying that he heard no threatening words from the kids, only from Dunn. We also have a dead 17 year old kid and his killer who doesn’t show the slightest bit of remorse. THAT is what we do know
@3030toby just because you see no reason to lie doesn't mean there isn't one. It's like those videos that start half way and everybody decides that this person is guilty without the full story.
@Dev you’re right, we don’t know 100%, and I understand wanting to give him the benefit of the doubt. But what about the exponentially more plausible idea that the kid that was killed was entirely minding his own business and got killed by an angry old racist prick because he didn’t like his “thug, animal music”
@3030toby well you attack Dunn but you could aswell attack those young guys, at court whatever they are asked they keep saying "yes sir, no sir" it's fake, they are trying to act like nice guys that would never do anything bad. Do you think they told Dunn " I'm sorry sir but I can't fulfill your requirement"? Or they just told him to fuck off because there was 4 of them?
@3030toby As we can see Dunn did care. Freedom of speech is not really a thing anymore. Somebody gets offended by whatever you say and you get judged by what you said.
If you're not 17 and full of loud music and attitude at adults and authority in general, you're doing it wrong! We've all been, including me, and you end up growing up and working and getting a family and calming down and figuring it out. Michael Dunn never let one of these kids "figure it out" because he killed him first. Thank you, old grumpy men in my day for never shooting at me for giving lip and attitude... It was just my hormones and not personal!
As a white 16 years old who goes driving around with a group of friends all the time bumping tunes, it’s crazy to me how I never fear an interaction like this. I think at worst for me, a young white dude, is a Karen who tries yelling at me. For a black dude my age this is their worst, and that difference is just crazy to me
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N A2021-04-17 00:35:49 (edited 2021-04-17 00:36:31 )
sure yes, a cruise with loud music. thats all fine and good. but I never sat in a parking lot of a gas station blaring my music and I certainly would never be rude and confrontational if somebody asked me to turn it down. that's the difference here. putting aside the whole murder thing because I dont think anybody is disputing that.
@M.J.E. that should be the message, be polite, don't threaten people you don't know on the off chance some dude with 5 whiskeys in him is going to do something stupid and pull a gun and shoot you. Because crazy people are out there and acting stupid is a magnet for bad things to happen.
@Dyno Hrnic play stupid games and win stupid prizes. Play your music loud and piss of some lunatic with 5 whiskeys in him with a gun. You can be right and dead. It's still better to be polite. Occasionally you can even be polite and run into bad people anyway, still a good idea to decide to fight or walk away. Most times its better to walk away from irrational people. This is a perfect example of how fast something simple can get totally out of hand.
@Dyno Hrnic I'm pretty sure if you test the odds in Croatia you can find someone as crazy as this man and the outcome won't be much different. He might not have a gun, it could be a knife.
@Uasakura you were 17 at one point though. Kids do this. Eventually they grow out of it and become more like you. The I'll walk away type. As it should be.
@Dyno Hrnic not to mention him and his fiance were already boozed up and going in for more booze. So you got two drunk fools driving around with a loaded gun. And why shoot at the back of the truck as it was driving away ???
@21donuts I never said he was right. But I don't think they should been playing loud music either. Many people find it disruptive and annoying, so do I.
@Eliot Gierat right of speech goes both ways, you can say what you think and I can say what I think. If there is somebody who doesn't like that fact then he/she has a problem. If you are small enough? To be honest I always thought like I could be 5 cm taller, 185 sounds a lot better than 180
These officers are interrogating this guy and toward the end, they tell him he's being charged with murder and attempted murder. Did they ever read him his rights? Did he know he had the right to remain silent? Because if so he should have done what you always do when cops start to ask you questions. "shut the fuck up!"
In the full video, yes they did. Also he mentioned a lawyer at one point and they stopped questioning until he confirmed that he wasn’t asking for one now. These cops know they’d blow it on a technicality to not Mirandize him.
Why are they telling him about the kids criminal records!? WTF difference does that make? He couldn't have looked them up in any register anyway! And the cop says it himself; he knows people i Jacksonville who would do this and that before asking questions! Doh!
Pure narcissist! No shed of remorse for the victim. Why did he even have a gun in the first place how is that legal! I can’t help but think that these types of events are inevitable when a you allow a narcissistic, racist to have a gun.
so don’t get me wrong most of this is spot on and dudes a narcissistic guy who killed someone and was trying to be manipulative. I just personally like to go into things in more detail. Is a far fetched thought that when he contradicts himself by saying “I don’t know how many kids were in the car” and “i thought there were grown men” that he could have just become aware of the fact that they were kids but did think they were adults? idk, i know it’s a relatively small part of this entire case but it’s interesting to me. if you read this hope you have a good day!
Such a terrible incident this is why anytime I get near a public place parked oh I always turn my music down because you never know what crazy person is going to be triggered just from something like that
More dangerous & evil people get much lesser sentences than this guy. Sadly, he paid the price for talking openly to police without legal experience / lawyer. Most poly-LIE-TIC-ians & their psychopathic corrupt poolice enforcers deserve the sentence he got.
When you shoot while they're running it's no longer self defense if someone you just shot at is running you get to cover and make sure they're not coming back
@Christy B Lol! It's my distraction when I get tired of writing my PhD. Call it my frivolous outlet. Anyway, you're not one of those sanctimonious comment cops are you?
You know what me and my bf do when annoyed by other peoples music? We blast Baby Shark at them. Baaaaaby shark doo doo doo dooo do doooo, ya know that.
Why can’t somebody bed patient for something someone else does and he does not like?does not really harm him?he would be gone in too minutes and had forgot about the music..
He doesn't think he's in the right. He is exhibiting guilty behavior (you can figure what that is in the video "Guilty until proven innocent" on this channel)
But obviously he's not gonna come out and say i tried to kill those kids, the only situation where he can get away with he has done is self defense which implicates that the kids would have done much worse than he had done to them (again, the only way you can justify that second volley.)
So yes, whilst he is saying he is in the right, the guilty behavior he is exhibiting is flaring up.
@Alvin Walker this is just victim blaming. A kid talking shit to someone doesn’t mean they deserve to die. Usually when someone’s murdered we don’t say “ya but they were doing something they shouldn’t have” so what. So what if “he was no angel”
She deserves a lot of respect for telling the truth when it clearly hurt her so damn much. I know realistically we should all expect to tell the truth were we on that stand up there but obviously the relationship can blind that situation and make you refuse to be cooperative and I don't know it just saddens me for her in a way I am struggling to describe, I hope she's in a better place now that he is locked up.
I feel horribly for the victims family as well and all the ones in the car that has to deal with that trauma for the rest of their lives too, so fucking sad, he ruined so many lives in just a few seconds.
I agree. She's a superior person. You can tell she's direct and honest with everyone, and in the nicest way she can muster, given the circumstances. Everyone should be blessed with such a partner. He was a lucky man, for his last four years before prison anyway.
I just don't understand why she wouldn't address the whole I just shot at them .... Saying she would mention it tomorrow... Was it normal? Or ... I dunno. She didn't say scared. Just curious how that's not completely fkd up
@Franque Worren No he didn't, people overempathizing with narcissists is one of the most normal things in the world. That's one of the reasons why people get stuck in abusive relationships.
What I don't understand is how u in a whole nother city trying to regulate the volume of someone music. The nerve of this dude. That's that white privilege that Karen mentality smmfh. I know I can't go to a biker bar and say your Harley is too loud
@Herbert West of course. And I agree completely, the evidence is overwhelming, but people can wiggle out of even the tightest of situations with a decent legal team putting doubt in the mind of the jury.
Olivia I completely agree. ❤️ While it is devastating for any parents to lose any of their children, it's beyond devastating for those of us who were only blessed with one child. If/when we lose them, there are none left to hug, to comfort, to love, to cry with, and to go forwards in life with. Our everything is buried in the ground with that one child.
I only have one child, a son, and I thank God every day for him. 💖 I feel deeply for these parents. 😔💜
I've seen multiple cases about a white man shooting and killing a black person in a insedence exactly like this. No one mentioned anything about the race of the kids. I feel as if he felt disrespected by these kids and there "thug music" and then they take 0 to 100. Then they play it like these kids were a threat to him and were going to shoot him with a shot gun? Absolutely disgusting.
if you call his fiance a "snitch" "snake" or anything of the sort for speaking the truth in a room where it is a felony to do otherwise, you're not only delusional but a criminal enabler yourself. Even in this video Dunn was manipulative towards her- just imagine how abusive he was at home. would you stick up for a manipulative psychopath, or would you send him out of your life for good? what pathetic "people" you are. Feel ashamed.
@Mimi Do If you look at any comments talking about her speaking against her husband, there are people actually calling her an unloyal snitch and a bad partner.
@zoomies Oh wow. I only saw top comments and the newest ones but didn't find anyone calling her that, though I wasn't looking too hard. That's gross to do that :( she deserves praise, love, and reassurance. She helped bring justice for a family that lost their child. I can't believe anyone would shame her. Disgusting
@Mimi Do absolutely, so many weirdos were saying the nastiest things under replies and stuff, i felt like i had to say something myself. they were being 100% serious too :[
I noticed this as well. He genuinely believed he’d be going home and everything would go back to normal. Not a care that a kid died or a mother was devastated for losing her son to a racist POS.
@Sir. Grumpy Pawson He gives you a per capita adjusted statistic and you accuse him of not correcting for % of population. We must almost be reaching negative IQ here.
I personally hate when people blair their music as well. But I’m not gonna start shooting at them. Some people are just jerks. Same with the morons that decide to modify their exhaust so it’s extremely loud.
She dodged a bullet. I would love to know who broke up with who, well atleast how the conversation went, and if Rhonda is married and happy. I hope she is.
It is thing that narcissists, look for empaths as partners and vice versa. I'm glad she had a commitment to the truth, it really made all the difference.
You saw the pain in her eyes when she testified in court, brave as hell not to protect the person she loved and absolutely the right thing to do even though it probably hurt like hell knowing what he did. :(
@Becca Young sadly we accept the love we think we deserve...some don't think they deserve a good love... Usually due to childhood trauma within that category.
@Sabrina B How is she an accomplice? She's the one who wanted to call the police, and gave them all he information they needed. She testified against him. Why would she want to help him murder some kids?
She's just acting up cuz she doesn't wana go to jail. She knew the dude shot rounds and still went to bed with him, saw the news THE NEXT DAY and told him "we need to go home". Yeah, she tried to avoid it and in the end just snitched probably in return for immunity.
@Event Horizon That's incorrect. She never married him. She did not observe the killing and she had no knowledge he had murdered someone. She testified against him with the truth.
Imagine killing a teen, regardless of the initial confrontation, and still finding yourself the victim and yet the victor. That conversation alone speaks volumes.
Yes! Even if he wanted to claim victimhood, he could have at least said “i know i fucked up, but i’m a victim too!”. Instead, he describes himself as a “victor”. Victory over what? Wrongfully killing a kid is “winning”, now?
honesty though I can understand his frustration, when you live near that "culture" it doesn't take much to put you over the edge sometimes. You can never relax
@Enlightened Doggo did we watch the same video? Could’ve sworn the interrogator said there was nothing in the car that could’ve possibly resembled a weapon. It was his story and his story was found to be straight bullshit in court.
@Toefoo100 so now you know how everybody esle in the world feels about white Americans. Like get over yourselves everything your people touch does not turn to gold.
@Toefoo100 There is no understanding for anyone who will get frustrated to the point of wanting to murder unarmed teens. And not to mention they were strangers who he’d probably never come into contact with again if had self control and common sense. Seek help
You can only speak for yourself. Saying - 99% of US white people think just like me! - is silly. There are better factors to reinforce your argument. Race is not one.
@Zylo i feel like 99% number is completely off. Not saying all white people but still a good majority. Especially as someone who lives in the south I can say that number is wrong.
@Zylo It's not pleasant to think about, but suggesting 99% of white people are not racist is just untrue. I'm white and I know it, and the brown people who have to deal with the racism in this country sure as hell know it. I hope we work hard to move closer to that number, but honestly I'd be shocked if we get there in my lifetime, or ever.
@Kevin Ruiz It’s a good majority for sure, but I honestly do believe a double-digit number have somewhat racist views, whether they’re aware of it or not. It’s a massive minority of those who are consciously, actively hateful I’d say though.
@vrey shaming him for his body type shames not only him, but also everyone with that body type, even the good people. You're probably among those who advocate for body positivity then shame guys with small penises. Selective body shaming is still body shaming smh
I noticed that too. She is genuinely a good soul who doesn’t see color or even agreed with him on hating rap music she simply just said “I know” in a way where it’s more annoying that he’s that hatful towards something so mundane than the music. i think she got stuck with this asshole and is too nice to just leave him.
I know there is A LOT of subject here with this one. Reading the comments, a lot of topic is about the gal. And I agree, she seems like a sweet person and it sucks for her to be involved w this douche and this situation he created, BUT, don't lose sight of the real victim here. A 17 yr old kid was shot multiple times and suffered to his death in front of his friends. Maybe keep a pic of Jordan up on the corner of the screen or something to remind US as viewers to rmbr and be REMINDED whilst we are watching. Love these videos!
The depressed look he has on his face when the Detective says "The kid he has no track record. The two boys with him have no track records," that's priceless
@Ne0n No that's a glove COMPARTMENT. A glove department is where the cops store bloody gloves before they are moved to courtrooms for suspect fittings ...
They're insane too. Like for real. Watch this channels video about the parkland shooter. If you don't here's the tldr. In that video this channels narrator shows a different interrogation reel from a case in OK and then the parkland one. The narrator shows what real insanity and faked insanity is. I found it interesting. I recomend the watch/listen. Or Maybe you've watched already idk.
@Hugh Mungas That's actually the first video I watched from this channel, it is absolutely fascinating. I feel a bit bad for the guy that really was mentally ill, but for those who are not and have absolutely no excuse, it is just ridiculous. I can't imagine ever doing such a thing, yet it comes so easily to some, even for teenagers.
@Bryzerse its a wild thing actually taking someone’s life. Seeing the way people react differently is so interesting, it’s part of the reason this channels so dope
It’s a psychological trait that starts early in life or after a frontal lobe head injury, mental illness, abuse during early upbringing, bad influences during adolescence gangs . May start with benign activities and thought but develops into a much pathological disease where very dark and destructive thoughts and actions towards at first animals then Escalade to people, from hurt with sexual actions to debilitating consequences on the victims, dismemberment, death and more.
My thoughs; 1. Alcohol numbs your senses and rational thought process. 2. Killing is a lot easier then most people think, what comes after (guilt, flashbacks, nightmares etc.) is hard to deal with. 2.5. Adrenaline is hard to calm down and only escalates any tension that might have been there. 3. And guns take away a lot of the fear of taking away a life. With for example knives or swords, you actively use a lot of energy and time to take a life. You have more time to possibly think about the situation, other options etc. Firearms are a lot simpler, you pull the trigger. It's one of the reasons why firearms changed the military in history (other main reason being ease of use).
To be clear, I don't condone this man's actions. Nor is this comment about gun control etc. This is just give a couple of reasons why I think,(some) humans seem to be able to kill easly.
This guy defended himself in my opinion if the teenager did threaten the mans life then proceeded to step out of the car or attempt to the guy that to the shot deserves some credit and there was also 3-4 of them in the car
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Like the mans not gonna kills some kids for not turning down music at a gas station
@Jack Scott if it was in self defense, he wouldn't have continued shooting at them as they were trying to leave. And yeah, he apparently did kill someone over some stupid music. Jesus, we have people killing others over dumb shit all the time, like pop, a CD, a breakup, etc. So honestly I'm not even surprised someone would kill over music being too loud.
His head is probably 100% focused on his own survival... as he comes across as one of those, first me and then me, and if anything is left, thats for me as well. dudes.
The only argument I could take of a 17 year old boy not being a child it will be if that boy have recieve at least six months of military training, which as far as I know doesn't fit with the victim in this case.
@Ben Ghazi they are classed as a child in the eyes of the law but in some criminal cases can be tried as an adult. However, as a victim like the kid was here that wouldn't happen, so as a result the law sees him as a child.
@rachel friedman, just about as sick as the cattle/infant cattle that are slaughtered for the food we all eat, right? Far as I'm concerned, humans deserve what they give.
@Jack Scott if u go into a state of shock over teens playing music u don’t like and can’t control yourself so you kill them, then he should be locked up
@Jack Scott but they didn't threaten his life or step out of the car. there's no reason he should have shot them. period. i still find it ridiculous that that's even possible to do something like this in America because of the stupid gun laws. it's sick.
@Jack Scott 1st he was clearly lying 2nd if he was defending himself he wouldn’t of felt the need to lie 3rd he did a second round of guns 4th he showed no remorse for murdering someone
You guys have to remember the court date is much later than the event so they may look older . but mainly he fired so many shots at people that didn't even threaten him, with no remorse he pretty much made the whole situation happen himself he's no victim.
@Jack Scott yes he was provoked let’s entertain your idea, if he was so provoked why not call the cops after 1 round of shots? If he was provoked why would he lie? If he was provoked why there no remorse after finding out the kid in the car was completely innocent?
@MessedUp Pika because everyone who gets into those situations are not thinking properly are they there thoughts are everywhere split second to react he’s no a professional shooter or anything like that he probably knew he hit the kid and got really scared by it that’s why he didn’t call cops and left the sene idk just my opinion
I hate when people play loud music and act stupid but my God man when is it ever ok to just unload a gun on a bunch of kids???? This is absolutely incredible and sickening! Just ignore them and everyone will be ok
@Chinese Name I doubt that they threatened him he felt threatened because oh their race he’s racist hun sorry to tell you and even if he wasn’t it doesn’t justify what he did
If those “kids” would have learnt to respect people and to don’t talk shit as if they were kings this would have never happened. How can you possibly stay calm after some black dude say they’ll kill you. I mean, If a shotgun was actually there, trust me that it would be so easy to hide it somewhere to don’t get in trouble. Kids with these attitudes are just frighting and unpredictable
@Francesco Ferro whats frightening about some kids talking back to you in a gas station parking lot that you’re going to be in for 4 minutes? Micheal Dunn wasn’t scared when he said “No you’re not gonna talk to me that way.” He wasn’t scared when his supposed military training kicks in and his first instinct is to start start shooting. He wasn’t scared when he got out of the car to continue to shoot at them even though he said he just saw a gun. No rational grown man would’ve done what he did and trying to say the kids were at fault for this is ridiculous.
self preservation is a helluva physiological response- easy to judge a man who knows his life is in danger of falling into the abyss, but truth is you would probably do something similar
Im pretty sure the "boys" were not innocent too, this guy does not looksliek a murder! I think he is in jail because he is white! yes, thats what i think...
@Jussy 12 not innocent in what respect? they arent guilty of anything but engaging in a particular set of cultural values that didnt rub this old man the right way.... that isnt an offense that our justice system has anything to say about. he is in jail because he showed a complete disregard of human life by murdering someone in cold blood when his life was in no way in danger. the thing we may never know is if he truly felt as if his life was in danger or not. but in either case he is a danger to society and should definitely be incarcerated.
@Awesome O dont really have much to say besides, if you really believe a white person saying thug music or calling someone a thug isn't blatant that he's talking about black people your delusional.
Gun range Lawyer(prob retired cop or something): If you ever catch yourself shooting unarmed black teens indiscriminately, just say constantly “you are in fear of your life, to the cops and they will let you go!”
People who share his logic believe that being scared is an excuse to kill. He didnt even act like it was unfortunate. He thought he did his duty by shooting at some slightly confrontational kids.
Even being threatened with death is still no reason to kill as he wrongly believes. As illegal as threats may be, they are just words. Without signs of weapons or life threatening manuevers you cannot use deadly force.
@Michelle Cox don't worry. Justice usually comes to people like that. If the court fails to bring justice, someone like that is likely to bring justice upon themselves by one day making the wrong move against the wrong people. What goes around comes around.
@aw heck It was also at little store parking lot..over a handicap parking space white guy killed a young black male right in front of his children.. Beyond horrible!!!.. I live in Florida, what is wrong with these folks?😣
He was the confrontational one by addressing a innocent group of teens that were doing nothing. He acted like a dam thug and killed a 17yr old with no remorse.
I know he’s an adult! They were teenagers! And he said after being told someone was killed he said “I hope it was the guy that pulled the weapons “ he said he HOPED What a disgusting human
This is why guns shouldn't be legal for everyone to have in the US. Imagine the number of crazy people like him who own a gun and are just waiting for an excuse to use it.
Slightly confrontational ?! The kids didn’t walk up to him/ or drive up to him and confront the killer! Jordan responded to some one CONFRONTING him! 🙄 the killer is the confrontational one! Period!
@Dave He chose to park next to them. He had no right to even ask them to turn their music down when he could've just went into the store with his fiance.
Yet it was Dunn who caused the confrontation in the first place. Anyone who goes around telling people what to do without any legal or moral authority to do so, will find himself in many slightly confrontational situations.
@Sammy Long Amen! You park your car next to a group of people who were present in the area first, you have no right to tell or even ask them to do anything.
Can we just take a moment to discuss how bizarre and invasive it is to ask someone else to turn their music down. The music they chose to play inside their own car in their own space. That is a Karen 5000 move
All this could've been avoided with three words. "Just ignore it." It's not like it was a neighbor doing this on a daily basis. It would've been done in 5 minutes and that moron could've gone to his precious, expensive bed and breakfast.
i just can't get over the fact that he parked right next to them when they already played music that he hates. there is just no logical reason to do that.
Absolutely, noting that this guy pulled up next to the kids car that was ALREADY playing loud music. If he hates the music so much, drive on my man. But no, feels like he targeted them and if it wasn't these young black males on that day, it would have been some another black man, another day. Stand your ground laws make killing easy for evil people like this guy.
@Gachabrain Not saying the dude isn't racist but shit goes a lot deeper than that with this guy. He's a narcissist and a psychopath/sociopath. I'm actually surprised it took the guy this long to get into trouble given his complete lack of empathy, lack of self awareness and in general cold demeanor. While I haven't looked up the background of the guy I'm assuming the fact he was a software engineer means he kept out of trouble prior to this incident. This entire case is really bizarre.
It's not always that simple, as I ran into a similar situation, but the thugs were darn well acting like they were gonna jump me. I didn't have a weapon, so I ended up getting into a fight with the one who was calling me out. I took care of the guy in quick form, as I was lucky to have had advanced tactics in the military. I was lucky that the other guys didn't jump me, but they kept it a fair fight. These guys were still thugs and they told me that they went out looking for a fight. My point is that people have the right to travel their days without others, blasting thumping music or interfering, with any one else minding their own business. I don't condone what this man did, but I also don't condone a bunch of young guys out looking for the thug life. They may just find it...
@DAJ Dools This is anecdotal and completely different from the story, and sounds like bullshit. Were you in a car? Where was this in the first place, their house? An alley? A place they actively hang out? Your house? Why would they tell you they were actively looking for a fight and when did they? Was this while you were fighting them? Further more if they were fighting fairly, why would they jump you in the first place? If they wanted a fight that was equal they can spar with each other. Further more there's no actual confirmation that these teenagers were thugs either, just that the murderer called them thugs to justify himself in killing/openly attacking a minor over music. He doesn't even specify what music is 'thug' musc- rap? jazz? Pop? How does he know thugs - defined as criminals - listen to these types of music? How is listening to music thug-like at all when there's no criminal correlation? Unless you mean 'people have the right to blast music' in which case your phrasing is shit and what the fuck is 'I also don't condone a bunch of young guys out looking for the thug life. They may just find it...' supposed to mean?
This adult man killed a fucking boy over, allegedly, not liking their fucking music. You don't condone it so you know this is bullshit.
I'd also like to point out that people have the right to play music where they want to, and if someone doesn't like that music it is then contradictory behaviour to park directly next to them unless an attack like this was pre-meditated.
@DAJ Dools wtf are u talking bout nun of them said they was thugs nor said they wanted a fight they have a right to music if u don’t like it move away or ignore
@Gachabrain My guess is no he's not a racist, he may not like when people listen thug music loudly as it indicates that they themselves might be thugs. He had a big ego to tell them to turn it down but they probably had an even bigger ego and shouted all kinds of threats/antagonism back at him, since that what thug music teaches. Dude lost his cool and was like "oh yeah, ill show these guys a real thug". Not that it was self defense but I really wouldn't be surprised based on the sht i've seen life if telling them to turn it down was enough to make them threaten him and try to start a fight.
@caramel at least 9/10 rap songs i hear are about thuggery (violence, drug deals, antagonising other rappers). I am also not saying they ARE thugs for sure, but I am saying there is a strong possibility they take on some of the characteristics of the music they listen to and as a result probably reacted very angrily when he told them to please turn down their annoying rap music. If it were Eminem i can understand but if not Eminem most rap songs are straight up annoying
@dragorn >'at least 9/10 rap songs i hear are about thuggery (violence, drug deals, antagonising other rappers).' bro this anecdotal and even then most likely refers to the mainstream hip-hop. You even acknowledge another popular rapper that doesn't do this, meaning it's not 'thug music', it's an outlet for people to boast about how 'badass' they are.
>' I am also not saying they ARE thugs for sure, but I am saying there is a strong possibility they take on some of the characteristics of the music they listen to and as a result probably reacted very angrily when he told them to please turn down their annoying rap music.' Cool but how so? in terms attitude? Again it's been established prior that these are teenagers and likely came to this music because they like it/act like it, not the other way around, and there are witnesses who claim otherwise. As in one guy got upset some guy was telling them to turn their music down [presumably because the driver/murderer actively parked next to them] and called him a cracker. This is displayed in the video. They're also not thugs either, again in the video a detective states these minors all have clean records, and given the context they likely like this music because teenagers are notoriously rebellious. I don't think you understand that criminals don't have a set standard of music and someone also liking that music wouldn't make them a criminal or even a suspect, because it's music. Something subjective.
The driver never states that it's rap music either, just that it's 'thug music' which is really bloody vague. It could refer to jazz, indie, hip-hop, hyperpop, vocaloid, etc, because again, criminals don't have a set taste of music. I understand that there are tons of people boasting about how hardcore they are in the rap genre but there are songs about kidnapping, murder, etc in other genres that're commonplace, for example 'we know where you sleep'.
Something being annoying is also subjective, no idea why you included this.
@dragorn also 'thug culture'? you realize that means 'criminal culture', right? Something that doesn't exist? Where are your sources for things like ' thugs always fight 5 against 1.'? and 'fragile egos'? yes, no shit, teenagers are unstable emotionally charged little twits and this is an adult who knows that and actively went towards the thing he found annoying. It's stated in the video he parks directly next to their car and he really didn't act in self defense at all, please, watch the video.
@Trent Tagestad Guys, this just shows why you don't get married. She'll throw you under the bus. And then a bunch of women on youtube will agree with her.
lol how were they even together still?! everything she said directly contradicted his story and helped the defense properly sentence him to life and he's a racist that killed someone in cold blood and they were both like yeah I love this person
He's an angry man, Good for her to distance herself a bit from him.
It'd be different if he knows what has done and wait for his lawyer. People can get angry and do stupid stuff. But apparently he wanted more bargain than he deserve, playing a smartarse card, and it came back to bite him in his arse...
@Jazza BigHits That's called being smart and doing the right thing. He's a killer. A criminal. Its a crime to lie to the police during an investigation you know. Why should she suffer for his wrong doings? He shot someone because they were playing music too loud. That's annoying, but certainly not worth killing over. He threw himself under the bus.
@Alexis you can check his comments and see all of em are derogatory or hateful towards women in this channel, he's clearly just an incel, doesn't surprise me
@Jazza BigHits You do have a point that you'd expect someone to stick by you if you're engaged. If he had done this to actually save her life, then I'd have agreed with you but however he was just trigger happy and he was simply lying. He wasn't being truthful about his perspective so why would she stand up for him?
Also, this is just my impression but she comes across to me as a very soft person who would easily crack under pressure when the police would ask her the same question multiple ways. Some wise person told her to be truthful from the beginning or else she would have ended up incriminating herself as an accomplice or even obstructing justice and she'd have gone to jail with him. And she would NOT last in jail.
@Jazza BigHits wow I wanted to hate on you for your view on this but the woman in this comment section got me on your side my respect for humanity declines by the second
@KID KUSH LOL, if it's any consolation, I commented on the teem emo killer thing saying the boyfriend threw his girlfriend (the killer) under the bus. That wasn't a JCS video though, I think it was Explore With Us
5:03 Right. "The loud 'music." I don't like dealing with "loud music" around convenience stores, either. In fact, any time I see "loud music", I park as far away as possible. And I hide my iPhone, too.
That guy was itching to shoot at them, the music was his excuse to start up the dispute, given that the teens are teens they won't give a fuck about what some old boomer thinks about the music and given the fact that they're young, chances are they're gonna be a Lil hot headed. Given that the teens weren't completely innocent either but end of the day. It's a public place they have the right to play their music, he chose to park next to them they decided not to go somewhere else for the wine and either way the guys were leaving soon anyways its not like he was forced to be there and listen against his will. He asked for the rush of getting to shoot at them and received the ramifications.
It's highly unlikely that he was "itching" to shoot at them. He simply has a very short fuse and couldn't control himself. I'd say that this was likely a bullet dodged by his fiance, as she'd have found this out the hard way!
Now imagine if he had just ignored the music and waited 3 minutes for his fiance to come out of the store and they drove away and everyone went about their day. A young man would still be alive and he wouldn't be doing life in prison. She should consider herself lucky because in 10 years she would probably be buried in a crawl space and he would be practicing his 911 call.
@aDriveAway Or he could have just not parked next to them like Witness #7 did? The music was so loud they could hear it pulling into the lot... He was just itching for a thrill with his shiny gun.
NotMorganFreeman I’m terribly sad for the young seventeen year old that died, he was innocent & didn’t deserve this, bless him! Unfortunately it seems Americans carry guns like a European carry a bag or briefcase for work!
The music was playing loud before he got there. And young people are known for playing loud music. You can't wait a few minutes?? He was looking for a reason to kill.
@Jonesy he said that replying to a comment saying the kid would've been alive if the guy just ignored the music. His comment just implies that if the volume wasn't loud the kid would be alive. Which might be true, yes, but that thought puts the blame on the kids instead of the fucked up guy who shot at them, for something very trivial compared to someone losing their life: loud music. It's just ridiculous in my opinion to watch a video about a serious crime, where a 17 year old lost his life in front of his friends, and only focus on, oh well they were disrespectful and played music loud.
That was my first thought. How much time are you really going to be spending at a gas station convenience store? Just get in, buy your shit, and get out of there. The truth is, no doubt, that he was looking for trouble. just like the witness said, he didn’t park in that spot because he heard the loud music and didn’t want to deal with it. Dunn parked there because he was looking for trouble.
Jaryn Covell and like the detectives said.. if he was so convinced they were gonna shoot him, why step out of the vehicle? Your only sense of protection. You have a handgun and you think somebody has a big ass shot gun so your rational response is to get out of the only thing shielding you and essentially protecting your life and shoot? Then when they’re already leaving he shot at the back of the vehicle. He was just trigger happy. By the time they were speeding from the parking lot it shows they’re scared and there should’ve been no perceived threat at least from the red vehicle anymore.
@Jaryn Covell So ur choosing to believe the murderers side? Everyone in that parking lot said that there were no threats on the mans life. Also ur saying someone killing someone else for saying "fuck that bitch" and turning up music is not cold blooded and without feeling?
@Jaryn Covell That's if you take the killer at his word, which you clearly believe, even though he outright lied compared to other independant accounts.
You might not have said the young guy deserved to die but you infer it.
'If they turned the music down'
Is that your logic..? Playing the 'if' game, Ooh, 'if' i wear blue today there might be a million to one chance i'll be seen by ta bloods & get shot. 'If' i walk down the street & some stranger doesnt like the look of me, something 'could' happen... better not do anything to annoy a passerby or what if, even though i have no clue what their potential triggers are..
Sometimes people dont behave according to others expectations, thats life, people can be selfish, could have blocked his ears with his fingers for a bit but no.
Those who do the escalating & murder are always the first to conveniently say they feared for their lives. I call bs.
Here's an if If he wouldve kept his need to control the behaviour of strangers in check, & if he minded his own business like normal folk - his angry arse wouldnt be where it is.
@aDriveAway @aDriveAway at 12:23 the woman states that the very next day after they had already left their room after leaving the scene ..... bc they were all over the news..... says they were listening to the radio, he turns down the music to say I love you...... the same thing he selfishly stole someone life over he gets to enjoy the next day.... makes me sick really, makes my skin crawl.
@aDriveAway at 12:23 the woman states that the very next day after they had already left their room after leaving the scene ..... says THEY WERE LISTENING TO THEIR RADIO and then he would turn it down to say I love you! It makes my skin crawl to think the very reason someone's life was stolen and he tried to steal the others as well they get to enjoy?!?!?! Give this physco the death penalty and his little nurse girlfriend also needs some jail time and her license revoked leaving the scene where shooting just happened she could have been administering life saving techniques until more help arrived she could have called the police when they got back to their room while he was out walking the dog she needs to be apprehended
I'd like to have been there to see how it really went down, what was really said, and how it really appeared to the shooter. 20 years ago I witnessed the murder of a gas station attendant in NJ. I was 12 feet away when a guy walked up to him, pointed a gun at his head, and demanded cash. The attendant gave him the wad of cash in his pocket and then the robber shot him in the head. There was absolutely no reason to kill him because he already got the cash. The robber was never caught. The only description I could give the police was he was about 5'10, thin build, black, wearing blue jeans and a green hoody, and appeared to be in his 20s.
It was night time and there were only a few people there but I was the closest and heard and saw everything. I heard what a couple of the other witnesses told the detectives and they were completely wrong about a couple of things and they were both on the other side of the parking lot. It's always made me wonder how accurate most witnesses statement's.
jud lar how about this if. If you would read what I said you’d understand you’re feeling make zero deference on the facts. I take the other kids at their words when they said they turned it down and then turned it back up and started to talk shit. The situation ended when the music was turned down. No argument or anything. What part of, it is a fact that if the music was kept down there wouldn’t have been the conflict that lead to death, means “his death was justified”? What part of *turns music back up and starts telling himself to fuck himself* keeps the situation from escalating? Maybe it’s the part that separates a justification for a shooting from a reason for one. And since you still haven’t seem to worried about playing the hero to understand... You Can See The Reason Something Happened And Understand What Could Have Been Done To Avoid It And Still Recognize The Crime Was Unjustified. A Reason doesn’t mean Excuse.
@soccertripe Armchair psychoanalysis. What would the point be of not parking next to them if the music was loud enough someone could hear it when pulling into the lot?
@Stoic VanderBloomen No. In the two videos they've done on these kind of scenarios, both parties instigate the confrontation yet no one sees it that way -- neither of them, except for the one person in the car who turned the music down, attempt to diffuse the situation. How hard would it have been to ignore the music? How hard would it have been to simply turn it down? The confrontation turns lethal, with the person committing the lethal act being white (probably simply because he has a gun so it's so much easier to commit murder). No one looks at it that way -- with the convenience of hindsight and the way the events played out, it then turns into race-baiting and psuedo-martyrdom dogshit.
I don't believe they deserved to die -- if you push peoples buttons, instigating or exacerbating conflict, and then the person happens to turn out crazy or really violent and commits murder.... I don't think people (in the comments) should have the right to claim victimhood/sainthood. Whether or not you commit murder isn't the sole arbiter of a good person.
@cxmbosama "accept that nobody is obligated to cater to your every little need" lmao. I can't with people like you that think like this. biggest hypocrites on the planet, for sure.
@cxmbosama orrrr you can be a decent human being and fellow citizen and understand these confrontations are the very reason there are disturbing the peace laws on the books, my blood boils when people act like this in public, and I call the police to mediate because I do not trust myself to mediate with someone old enough to be my son who is cussing and slinging spittle in my face. An armed society is a polite society, treat other people how you want to be treated.
P.S. the homicide was absolutely unjustifiable, don't let me be misunderstood. But having been in these situations, I'll warn all of us these sorts of exchanges are a byword, blood runs hot when you have strangers cussing at you, let's maintain the common public peace and civil decency.
@sanvloamzn "if somebody nicely ask you “sir can you please be quiet” after they sat next to you... you would be quiet and stop YOUR conversation cause some asshole wants to sit next to you? Then if you continued talking and he shoots you it’s okay cause you should’ve just been quiet? It’s all the same shit. He didn’t like noise and got mad about it." It's not illegal to speak, it's illegal to be blaring music in public, this is the reason there are disturbing the peace laws, literally, to disturb the peace is to create conflict, they initiated this confrontation with their rude aggressive behavior, but the perpetrator was wrong in his actions, it was not justifiable homicide, but blood runs hot in these conflicts... can you imagine just cussing out a random stranger, ya don't know anything about them, some Navy SEAL with PTSD that can kill you 20 ways with a pinky? lol, it was unwise behavior and they need to start teaching kids civics and history again, they are completely out of touch with the common good and civil society. Sad this kid lost his life over some bad manners and dumb thug music though.
@Lady🖤 Justice⚖ "Give this physco the death penalty and his little nurse girlfriend also needs some jail time and her license revoked leaving the scene where shooting just happened" lol you should be sending this woman chocolates and flowers if you feel so strongly about the case, that was one kind and honest woman who took her swearing in on the stand very seriously, it is clear she is hurt by the entire situation and is in love with the defendant, yet she states in no uncertain terms that he never mentioned that it was an act of self defense, I wish everyone in life was as honest as that woman. As for you thinking she should've rushed into a gun battle scene like some combat medic, she was in shock, in a strange town, and was told by her fiance to get in the car, she completely cooperated with the police and was honest about the situation, we can ask no more of a citizen and if this was my son that had been killed I'd have been eternally grateful for this woman's unimpeachable character.
@Jack O'Neill like I said when physco was walking the dog she should have called the police.... should have told them what happened and she was fearing for her life a nurse is use to being put on the spot anywhere they work and her man was the one who shot not the opposite she may be honest but also a coward even if they thought they were in the right any ways they would have honestly called the police right on the spot not after they got busted and blasted on the news I know it is not her fault but she knew better
Jack O'Neill well for one you should do more research on your laws, because I blast my music when I drive yet have never been pulled over NOT ONCE. Disturbing the peace laws are not pertaining to the average citizens’ idea of peace, by peace they mean something like a civil and humane environment. Those kids did not play their music with any intent other than enjoying their music, and the man took it as a personal attack. He could have called the cops from the beginning like you but he didn’t. That’s what laws like this are for, for you to call the enforcers. These laws aren’t put into place to prevent certain reactions from certain people, it’s just due diligence not to shoot somebody when they piss you off. These laws are for us citizens to call the police so that they can handle it. Those boys were teenagers so of course they did what any arrogant teen would do, but legally those boys did nothing wrong. For all I care, he could have blasted his own music back and they would have forgot about it 5 minutes after. If blasting your music excludes you from the decent human category, then I must be a damn turtle or something. I know you’re not trying to shift the blame or anything but it sounds like it. Nothing about this guys reaction was reasonable, and it frustrates me when you basically say these kids gaslighted his reaction.
aDriveAway I’m a hypocrite how? You seem to know more than everybody on this planet, so enlighten me with your never heard before next level knowledge.
And 'fluid motion' and 'quick like lightning' over and over. He's like another case on here I watched who kept bragging how awesome he was at shooting.
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Sam Parkker2020-12-16 20:28:33 (edited 2020-12-16 20:29:08 )
The fact I read those and nodded thinking yup I remember those lines makes me wonder what Ive been doing with my life the last week
@wintertrine 😂 hers has so many winners in it, it's hard to choose just one, but that is the one that made me literally start laughing hysterically because she gets so "remorseful" and acts like this admission is such a grave one that she couldn't POSSIBLY have hurt a person!!! 😇 it's just so utterly ridiculous lol. Her whole "designing" a tshirt by typing the word "survivor" into wordart as an appeal to the JURY at her MURDER TRIAL WHERE SHE HAD ALREADY BEEN CONVICTED OF MURDERING SOMEONE (this was before sentencing) deserves an honorable mention even though it's not a quote. 😛
Jay Tee Kay2021-06-03 21:41:46 (edited 2021-06-03 21:42:40 )
If you sign up to his Patreon for $1 the most chilling one is Detective: “There was enough fentanyl in that sippy cup to kill 2 grown men.” Mom: “Any other questions?”
iluvpinkandgold they mean rap. It has this connection because of Tupac (“Thug Life”) and it started in ~1990. Can also be thought of as “Gangsta Rap” but more loosely people who dislike/hate blacks use it to mean any uptempo black music.
Luna Smith the word Thug has been in play as an n-word cover since Tupac, was healthy and alive through Bushes, Clinton, Obama (yep!) and currently. You’re not wrong, just want you to see it’s not a new thing.
M Detlef I don’t think Trump is an extreme racist. Everyone has their own level of racism. The worst form of racism is the type that pretend they aren’t racist. While label other people as racist in order to benefit from their misfortune. So they can obtain fame and wealth through other people emotion.
It would be funny if in the interview he said something like "They we're playing wack ass mumble rap, they could have at least been playing some Wutang”
What i don't understand is... how is it possible for an apperently "normal man" to just lose it and start shooting for the purpose of menacing/killing? I mean, of course the boys were right and they are victims in this! I'm surprised there was no racism charge here... but maybe he was in full denial for what he had done (just lost his shit and went casually postal) and continued to lie to himself? Or do you guys think he is just a psycho with no empathy? How can something this big happen so casually one day? (I don't know if i'm expressing correctly)
FlowerPowerWorld guarantee you the rum and coke had a lot to do with it. Also the guy is a big floppy wanker and so he’s trying to be tough and has a gun, ego stuff. Also he is in unfamiliar area so probably a bit jumpy, I believe he was at least a little afraid probably because he is just afraid of blacks.
Amy Kawaii I’m not so sure about the Trump hating poor people. Can you supplement your reason on why you think that way? It would clarify any poorly misconceived notion.
@Dawnbreaker I am certain he is a racist and this was a hatecrime
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Dog Egg2020-09-15 12:49:32 (edited 2020-09-15 12:55:31 )
he encourages his girlfriend to take a Valium if she gets nervous. He said she probably will get “offers from Hollywood” from testifying. What a twisted man
People who assume thug only refers to black males are the racist ones. Thugs are of all races, and are a real thing. What would you prefer they be called? Personally I don’t see why not call the black ones the n word. They are offensive to decent ppl so why not be offensive to them
Bane MAN I hear you. Is sad, many of them never fully evolve. Still have to love them and be kind to them. They still have the aweful animal behavioral
@Patch Weaver I can answer that on their behalf. No. They have no reason and they absolutely cannot "supplement" fuck all, other than because that's what the TV said. The mainstream establishment backed sources tell me how to think, and I obey because I'm ignorant. That's the correct answer. They won't say that though.
@Big Boss You're absolutely right! The hate is deep with this one. I think the term racist is thrown around way too much these days, but this guy clearly is one, and deserves to wear the label!
@Dawnbreaker I don't agree that Thug is a dogwhistle at all. Thugs come in all colors, and calling someone a thug is not necessarily racist. On the other hand, though, this guy is clearly a racist.
@Bubba O'Reilly if he actually was afraid, and not just pretending that was the case when he was being interrogated, then the only reason he was afraid is because he's a racist. the only reason he would be afraid of some harmless teenagers is because they were black. he's a racist.
@JerryOnlyChild double standard? one president was professional and still had humor but didn’t use that to offend mass amount of people with un-acceptable comments. Where as the other one does and gets confused on why people don’t like him? He’s unprofessional. If he was capable of catching himself when he’s about to say something stupid he wouldn’t be widely hated. He did that to himself.
@iluvpinkandgold it's stereotyping but OP's joke would fall flat if he used another term since he was highlighting the irony of hating music associated to thugs while acting like one.
"I hate thug music" - him "Menacing methods label me a lethal weapon watching n** die witnessing breathless imperfections, can you picture my specific plan? To be a man in this wicked land underhanded hits are planned" - also him
@Patch Weaver well of course! Look at how Biden and especially Kamala Harris has treated poc yet they just adore them! The media has brainwashed TF outta people.
@I A Ah, yes the time that Trump called White Supremist good people. Which he never did. You don't have to like Trump, but don't lie about the reasons.
Uhmmm, he most certainly did refer to them as very good people. I watched it live as I'm sure you did. Lol. Just because you support the trash bag doesn't mean you have to deny the truth dear. He's out! Get over it 🤣🤣🤣
@I A There's videos proving you wrong! Stop lying and try to get your news from different sources, not just from CNN and your leftist twitter-bubble. For your own sake that is.
i don’t like rap at all but i know it’s not thug music and i certainly wouldn’t hate on someone who likes it, or describe it that hatefully. people are just assholes sometimes. especially ones who kill other people.
@Dawnbreaker Thug is a lot older than anything Trump or Tupac has said. Here's a hint: it has nothing to do with Americans. Thug comes from the word Thuggee, which refers technically to a swindler or dishonest individual but is most famously associated with a cult of Indian stranglers.
It seems like this man is so entitled that he was triggered that these kids refused to obey his request to put the volume down and had the nerves to insult him in the process. It sounds like that’s what made him commit murder. His anger may have been exacerbated by prejudicial ideas against these kids...
@Patch Weaver it is when in the same breath you are praising white supremacists that end up driving into crowds of humans or storming our nation's capitol like legit terrorists holding weapons and binding gear, while he's telling them they are "patriots", or "very fine people" and that he "loves them" context and followup mean a lot Dunn assumed they were "thugs" merely for being black and listening to I am guessing harder rap. The cops proved they were otherwise.
@valiant360420 Metal also talks about murder and video games constantly glorify murder..someone that likes metal and plays games wants to kill or gets the feeling they want to? I never have..if music and games alone influence someone to that manner they have a mental illness
@Mudoru yeah I got a feeling he doesn't hate the music as much as what it represents to him. Think it's clear to everybody watching that there's be no dead kid, had they been white
@iluvpinkandgold, yes, you are very confused. Common Sense tells you that most rap music is representative of violence, sex, and drugs. Stop pretending that you don't know anything.
@Big Boss I agree, the guy was a racist and felt disrespected, he had been drinking, it is too bad the young men couldn't have just turned the music down for a minute until they left. I play music loud at times but with my windows up and not probably as loud as these guys were, it is very annoying when people feel the need to force what ever they are listening to onto everyone within a block around, no one deserves to be shot at or killed for this but it's also a shame people just can't be considerate.
Here in the UK, a thug means thug. It's not some racist metaphor. Soon you guys will have no words left for anything. That means you will be unable to communicate. That means your society will in danger of collapse. You need to learn to refute these dangerous ideas, it's just somebody's opinion and you all need to take a step back and make up your own minds. You have a great language, if you didn't mean what you meant and somebody tries to insinuate you really meant something else, just assert yourself, say you don't agree, say you don't see it that way, say you don't subscribe to that idea and walk away.
Thank you. I couldn't remember if this was the case of cherish perrywinkle. I forgot that guy's name. Thank you for refreshing my memory about which one it was. I live in Jacksonville Florida so it's kind of weird hearing my County Jail name come up on a YouTube video.
@Bill Wilson it would’ve been far more simple not to shoot someone for not turning down the music.. at the end of the day they don’t have to do what he says or asks.. he’s not their dad.
@Uncle Junior : Had they simply been respectful as was Mr. Thompson and turned down the music, no one would have died. "at the end of the day they don’t have to do what he says or asks" - this nasty attitude will get you into trouble especially if you run into an unstable person. This nasty attitude is what snuffed out a life by an unstable person. Who won?
I hate that I scrolled through these comments, mostly discussing a horrifically tragic situation and, I'm curious as to whether the lyrics to Alanis Morissette's "Ironic" were ever finished. I know, I'm a horrible person. I'll see myself out now. Take care everyone. 🚶
@FlowerPowerWorld chances are. Far more was said than either side cares to share. They don’t want to make themselves look bad. It’s possible the lawyers controlled that discourse. But in the grand scheme of things. It is unlikely he is a psychopath. More likely that he has a full denial of his actions. Enless this man absolutley hates black people, it’s hard to even pin it on racism. Yes it may have contributed to his altercation being more rude towards the victims, and eventually led him to the escalation of firing a gun. Personally, I’m sure the boys had choice words for him. As they may have assumed he was simply a racist white guy based on his tone and the way he came across (which is equally prejudice and racist by definition) and he probably is a racist, wouldn’t be surprised if it helped him pull the trigger. It’s hard to say without anyone haveing audio recording. He however did attempt to lie and get them in more trouble than they should have been, which is ridiculous and he for sure deserves time served for ALL of his actions before and after the shooting. Simply said, I believe he didn’t think people would care if he shot at some black kids. Which is sooooo wrong and racist
@Big Boss yes, I hate that kind of music too, but wouldn't pull out a gun over it, let alone shoot it. I would just crank up AC/DC roll up the windows and rock on!!
He had 5 whiskies, probably doubles. It's why he left the scene. Whiskey seems to agitate some people. If he was on weed he'd be like "hey man cool music"
@Patch Weaver No, the worst kind of racist is someone who murders innocent teenagers in a parking lot because they dont like the teens skin tone or choice of music.
Imagine if they didn’t have the music obnoxiously blaring and had a little respect for the community. They might still Be alive, I know that’s really difficult to understand
@Dawnbreaker funny, since racist Joe Biden used "thug" as he was writing the law that incarcerated tens of thousands of minorities...the law that Trump had overturned, and Trump in turn had many Blacks pardoned from Biden's overtly racist law. Fascinating that so many ignore the Truth, since they're interested in false narratives.
@Sith Otaku Why does everyone assume I am an avid Trump supporter, white supremacist or terrorist. I am just trying to say that just because you use the word “thug” doesn’t mean you are an automatic racist. It just a word that has been used for thousands of years and it has never been tied down to a specific race before. Beside that I honestly don’t care about Trump. It when people make everything political that I start to give a shit. This video wasn’t even about Trump before the breach into the capital.
@Sammy Long I’ve mention that before. Read one of my comment “Stubbornness” is the surface level of racism that society hates the most. It basically “We breed hatred, raise hatred, and believe hate to be our savior” type of racism that is bury down to the core of racism. This is not an uncommon trait and I’ve seen countless of countries practicing it and it should be shunned and rebut by society.
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German Gonzalez2021-05-22 08:39:49 (edited 2021-05-22 08:40:31 )
@Patch Weaver too many comments... because he seems like some paranoid pent up freak
@German Gonzalez I haven’t commented in a while since I wasn’t on YouTube for over 6 months. “Paranoid pent up freak” sounds like you are describing yourself.
@Dawnbreaker Dogwhistle doesn't mean synonym, it is a term for when someone is signaling to a group of people covertly(a dogwhistle being silent to human hearing) that they are one of them and/or to do something. If you are going to use buzzwords use them correctly.
@Patch Weaver ok.... Let's not talk about how in the "hes talking about Donald Trump never said anything about any race These people heard the word "thug" and immediately thought of black people
Jeff Au_blum2021-06-01 01:13:00 (edited 2021-06-01 01:13:09 )
@Elixer you talk like you were there lmao. And why do you assume that just because they blast loud music theyre the instigators here?! Either way the “thugs” were unarmed and the shooting was unjustified
@Legbad It's funny cause I wonder if he would've did the same thing if they were playing some Southern Horrorcore. My friends would roll around playing Lord Infamous - Anyone Out There
@FlowerPowerWorld Nah he's just indoctrinated. Being on the internet a lot it's not hard to find more people who think just like him then they create echo-chambers and become cults.
@Patch Weaver different context buddy. Referring to minority groups as “thugs” just because they are playing music and from their looks is racist plain and simple. There is the proper term for thug: criminal and there is the racist term for thug. Depends on the context.
@Patch Weaver obama appealed to white moderates like no tomorrow. Of course he said that, because its what lots of people wanna hear.
The point is that the word thug is often used towards black people, meanwhile that same language is refrained from for white kids. That word has a lot of racialised baggage.
Its a bit like asking a black person “do you like watermelon?”, we ofc cant prove whether or not that had racist intent considering the stereotype, but regardless the racialised baggage is there and unavoidable!
His woman was such a sweetheart. No idea how those 2 ended up together. Hopefully she found someone better and is happy now. Same to the family who was killed by this lunatic
@EVOLICIOUS 1.) Sociopaths like this are great at hiding their tendencies until they've got their partner, essentially, 'trapped' in marriage, it's unfortunately common, and 2.) Really says something about your priorities that you put 'ugly' and 'fat' before 'narcissistic racist', let alone include them at all.
@EVOLICIOUS “ugly, fat” (things you can’t always fix) and “narcissistic, racists” aren’t the same things and it sucks that people act like they belong in the same categories sometimes. Also the OP saying “his woman...” just oof. I hate the comment section. 🙄 why am I here lolll
@FruityBlue dude its a colloquilism. You knew what I meant. If you thought I meant in any way, shape, or form, that he owned her, then you are the one with problems. Being pedantic isn't a good look. I spent the majority of the post calling her a sweetheart and saying she deserved better.
@EVOLICIOUS Makes me think of low self esteem, thinking you deserve nothing better.... Can't believe that that's the first time he's exhibited violent tendencies..... (and theres plenty of things to dislike him for, no need to bodyshame, my dude)
THIS is what FL’s “Stand your ground” law creates. Empowers guys like this to go directly to deadly violence and then plea that they were “in fear,” for their lives. George Zimmerman is another fine example.
@hallergreen shouldn’t have died to begin with. Let’s not throw shady remarks towards a child who was murdered by a grown man who couldn’t stand to listen to some loud music for a few minutes without the urge to kill
@Pendejo yes, he shouldn't have listened to loud music in the first place. No one anywhere should enjoy the little bit of time they have on this planet. No one ever should dance. They are just asking to be shot. 🙄 Smh.
@Achxo He's basically saying that the kid amped up the confrontation and you can act big and tough and disrespect people but you never know who's willing to "go there". Fuck no the dude didn't deserve to die over loud music but it never helps to
@Pendejo You're right. Being in an emotional state makes you think irrationally. That's a perfect example to put Mike in here. Mike heard loud music, thought they needed to turn it down, stated that to the SUV, so the SUV turned it down. Then, one of the people in the SUV thought, hmh it's our car and I can play my music as loud as I want to so, they turned it up again. Mike felt a certain way about them turning the music up again meaning he got emotional and he didn't use his brain but instead his emotions. Therefore showing you how him grabbing a gun and shooting a child to death was an irrational moment of his all fueled by emotions. So, he's most definitely in the wrong.
@magikines Who's arguing that Dunn didn't get what he deserved? I merely claim that there were other relevant factors that should not be left unaddressed.
I can’t imagine being Rhonda on that drive home 😰 She must’ve been scared shitless. Wouldn’t be at all surprised if she was being abused in that relationship.
Think about it, it takes longer to grab something with two hands if it’s further away from you because both of your hands have to reach for it even if it’s not a huge gap. Grabbing a pen with two hands vs one
@Jojo well you wouldn't 'grab' it with two hands, just shoot it with two hands. why would you grab a handgun with two hands? and even so, how much extra time are we talking? a half of a second at most? he demonstrated how he shot, looks like it took less than a second as it was...
@jBone that’s true too! I hadn’t considered that part but in the video he said it takes longer to think about grabbing it with two hands, rather than instinctively grabbing it with one. I guess we’ll never know though :)
@Jojo lol yeah. The only reason it sticks out to me is because these days if you’ve had any gun training whatsoever you shoot with two hands automatically. All good, thanks for responding
I praise and respect Rhonda for her truthful backbone and not letting the love for him cloud her mind to down play or lie for him. She seriously dodged several bullets pun intended in this case, I hope she doesn't feel guilt and has moved forward to be with someone who does truly deserve her.
Yeah I don't like that there's a few people her calling her weak and evil for staying with Michael. I pray a woman never confides in those people about abuse
@Jax Mr dunns attitude is that of trying to compensate for lack of something, so if she did go for chocolate next she'd finally be adding for flavor to her life lol.
The way she admitted asking him to stop at the gas station to buy a bottle of wine makes me think she does feel guilty, in the sense that if she hadn’t asked him to stop, this wouldn’t have happened. Poor lady!
@Jilal Jahangir yo tbh i thought of this for a second. She is partly a reason of him fucking up only cus she asked for thag stupid fuckin bottle Of wine. But he is responsibld for his own actions and he has to pay. But damn if she never asked for that bottle of wine.. maybe just maybe that kid would be live still .. think about it. This womans stupid idea caused a bad outcome cus he was put in a situation where he thought he had to react. Its fucked up . I dont like mike nor what he did nor condone it.
42:20 I think he might've just seen the guys fucking seatbelt, even though I think the kid wasn't using his seatbelt... but he always says " a barrel" and the motion of like strapping it or something. So I just imagine this kid like pulling on his seatbelt to be able to further lean toward the window or something and shout at him and maybe he somehow saw that or wanted to see it like "Oh shit, thing looks like a barrel, I better start blastin'" - even still though, I think this guy was just waiting for an excuse where he can finally use his gun, "protect himself" or some shit like that.
It's people like him that should never be allowed to even have a gawd damn gun.
Its interesting too, to see at end of the video when she's answering questions you see her looking at him with such disappointment. I wonder if she ever asked him to just give up his lie. She was not going along with his BS.
The horrible thing here actually is that there are millions of men and women out there with the same hatred wanting to do this! Our broken system in America will probably continue to allow this happen for a millennia! How and when do honorable people answer back?
He was so afraid for his life, he immediately went back to his hotel and ordered a pizza. I don’t know about you guys, but when I’ve just had a near death experience my first reaction is “hey, let’s eat!”
I'd be too terrified to eat pizza. How he could not realize he's about to be charged with murder is mind blowing. He really thought he was gonna get off Scott free
@bubsy oh no scary black kids listening to music .... And if i recon one of them had a stick! ..... A huge stick .... Or it was a butter knife? Wither way I was terrified 😢
Not defending him, but you truly won’t know how you act until it’s happened. He can’t be judged for normality straight after. Speaking from experience also
@Shan Greer yeah imagine being with someone who just shot someone because of loud music and doing as he says... Almost as if... You don't want to disobey out of fear. Who could have thought of that?
@Shan Greer which probably is the reason she went along until police told her what happened and that there was no weapon in the car of the teens. Along with her being distinctively afraid
@Idontknow WhoIam You are right. I think the danger, and my mistake, is we often view other people’s experiences through our own lens. If you haven’t experienced something similar, you try to put yourself in the person’s shoes which is difficult. I have never seen someone killed and I have never been in a relationship with someone who would do that. From my perspective, I could not imagine getting into a car with a man who did that. After reading your post, I thought about it and in the shock of it all, I may well have gotten into the car. It’s hard to know what I would do and I hope I never have to make that decision.
@Shan Greer I'm glad you see it that way. In reality, "empathy" (in the supposedly"objective" way people talk about it as something you either have it so you completely feel others or you don't so your a narcissistic psychopathic killer) is a delusion. We always view everything through our own experience. And our experiences create a bias on what we will think of a situation that has no actual proof (like what someone is feeling). I've personally been in a situation where I was scared for my life being next to a psychopath who had a gun and I know that I acted as if everything was normal because I truly was scared I'd die. It's actually very common to repress negative emotions completely out of fear and pretend everything is normal in the stage of either denial or complete "fight or flight" mode.
Asking for a lawyer immediately arouses suspicion. And guilty people want to look as innocent as possible so don't lawyer up. There is your answer my good man
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fred bloggs2022-03-21 10:21:03 (edited 2022-03-21 10:23:08 )
@Music-Is Great Yes but it's such a serious error. If you're in an interrogation room, they're already suspicious. 1) By law, you are not allowed as a prosecutor or a cop to use a person's right to silence against them. All you have to say is, I desire legal advice and will reserve my right to comment until I have taken said advice. Then, if the lawyer tells you to STFU, you simply tell them, that's what you are heeding 2) If you are guilty, and you think you are clever enough to have it over experienced detectives, good luck to you. But you WILL fail to convince them. Shit, most of the time they already have damning evidence against you. 3) Even if you are innocent, you could get snowed or brow beaten into a plea confession or say something that they'll use against you. The reason the right to silence exists is at least in part to avoid bullying or undue self-incrimination, which people sometimes do out of sheer inarticulation. Miranda warns suspects, anything you say can and WILL be USED AGAINST YOU in a court of law. Heed the advice folks :)
The way his fiancee apologises and shuts down around him was enough for me to know that he was most likely an abuser. I don't blame her for a second for not covering for him. The interviews around this case paint a very bad picture of this man and I absolutely don't blame her. she did the right thing
Why are you reaching? He's a stupid reckless possibly racist man. But what does his fiancé being shook at court (she clearly has anxiety from her speech and shaking) have to do with their personal relationship?
I noticed that too. She was too afraid to say anything in the car after the shooting... big red flag. I was the same with my abuser.... walking on eggshells to not upset him worse 😒
No one is reaching here... of course we do not know for sure but it doesnt take a genius or God to see the red flags of abuse.
@Alicia Taylor Don't get into relationships with abusers. I will never understand you type of people. Have more self respect for yourself and quit feeding those abusers egos by getting into relationships with them!
@Quentin Wade Dugger People don't normally KNOW people are abusers when they get into relationships with them. Abusers will often wait until their partner is too emotionally invested in them, pregnant, financially dependent, married to them, etc. until they start showing signs of abusive behavior. Because by that point, the victim is already too invested in them to leave, or doesn't have the means to.
Nobody WANTS to be abused and frankly it's a little victim blame-y to pretend like they do
@Quentin Wade Dugger What do you mean by "you type of people"? Us survivors of domestic abuse don't inherently choose to be in that situation. Most of us don't even know our s/o was going to be abusive. They're charming, sweet, loving and loyal at first. Then little by little they break you down. It's a statement like this that makes it hard to share our stories, because it's "our fault" for being in that situation or it's "our fault" we let it happen. Trust me, it's a lot harder than you think.
orrrrrrr she's a reasonable person who has to present herself in a stressful situation
she was being honest to separate herself from her husband's actions so she didn't get dragged into the fray as well which is the smart thing to do
don't extrapolate your own personal narrative from reactions that can be interpreted multiple ways with the simplest answer of any reasonable person being under duress while in court where they're forced to speak
As a person that suffered from intimate partner violence for over 5 years, this woman's behavior is exactly how i acted as well. She loves but is terrified of him. I feel so bad for her.
He didn't mention being worried about Rhonda at all during the police interview, but in court, all of a sudden he's in tears about how worried he was about Rhonda.
In passing he mentioned it a couple of times. And yet mere hours after the accident he’s far less emotional than his recounting of it years later at the hearing
In so many of these cases, the shooter always looks stunned when they are asked hard questions about their choices. It's like they have been in a bubble of hate so long, he can't even recognize how inappropriate his actions were. Like they never thought or reflected on their own behavior bc the victims were black and that's where they want the story to stop. They were black, so I shot, bc I felt scared. And the phone calls at the beginning show how he's in his own head so deep, it never, ever occurred to him that he was in the wrong by saying anything, especially the way we know he said it. This guy is someone who automatically thinks Blacks are dangerous criminals and that he must take a defensive stance from the getgo. During the interrogation when he is told that none of these kids have a single thing on their record, he looks unpleasantly shocked. Like he never, ever considered these to be normal teens doing normal teen stuff. In his eyes, they were criminals to be feared. This man is a whiny baby who probably has never been forced to reflect on his actions and attitudes until now. And he obviously still doesn't get it.
Is it just me or does it seem like he might have been waiting for an "excuse" to do something like this?
It's hard to judge without being there and really knowing exactly what was said and done. But the way he talked in his original interview does make you wonder.
This seems like a case of one of those people who should not be allowed to carry a weapon. The cowardly but egotistical types that, if they didn’t have a gun, they wouldn’t start arguments or stick their business where it doesn’t belong. But, since they know they could easily scare or end a persons life, they don’t feel a need to hold back but also, know that the other person may have a weapon so, he will need to strike fast and ramp it up to 100 when 30 is what it’s at.
Yeah, I agree, it’s obvious what group of people he calls “animals” and “more of them” How he calls himself a victim He was a ticking, racist time-bomb just waiting for the chance, the opportunity to kill And he loved it, he clearly did, hope he rots in jail
Yeah. There’s a whole type of person who drives around all day with their gun praying for a strand your ground scenario. Look at that dude in Texas who shot the people in his neighbors house after being told not to 14 times and becoming a celebrity there
Definitely, the American gun "culture" is so twisted that I think a good portion of gun owners belong in that category of people... And they're the ones that are the loudest when it comes to protesting stricter laws concerning guns, they KNOW they would be deemed unfit to have guns if a psych eval was required for a permit.
Him mentioning that he has military friends showing how to hold the gun, to me, tells me that he romanticized having to use his gun in some way. I feel like he wanted to have his "Hero" or "moment of greatness"
Nah he definitely was. Reminds me of that other guy in Florida who went up to a woman parked in a handicap spot and starting yelling at her to move. Her husband came out, pushed the guy away and ever so slowly the guy took out his gun and shot the man even as he backed away.
If I had to guess it's because the SYG law combined with the perception of young black men makes these old white dudes think "well i'll never go to jail for this'.
Sad thing is lots of people think like this. Good thing is not all of them have guns.
@babykrul here in New Hampshire someone came into a wedding and shot people. The wedding might not be the only place I plan on going, and things don’t always go according to plan, carrying a gun is about always having it, not when you think you might need it.
It's not just you. He seems like the kind of person to fantasize about a burglar breaking into his home and then killing him in an over the top fashion
@BroudbrunMusicMerge that’s the thing. I don’t think the evidence was in his favor because there wasn’t much evidence at all. Knowing the kind of person he is, and knowing he was instructed by police not to follow, but did, and with only his testimony to go on because no witnesses, I don’t think it was a JUST ruling, just a legal one. But I believe he did it and lied, as he’s proven himself to be a liar.
Even being acquitted doesn’t mean people gotta defend him. It’s like bringing OJ to meet your wife or letting Casey Anthony babysit. They weren’t found guilty but...
It does seem so imo. He has a gun with him. I think he might have thought that he'd get away with it if it happened far from home and it was quickly in and out. I don't know if the boys ethinicity had anything to do with it. I kind of get the creepy feeling that he just wanted to kill somebody.
@vic you haven't been outside of the US and your comment proves that fact. Been to Europe, Africa, the Caribbean, Middle East, and Asia. Racism is EVERYWHERE. Lmfao step outside.
@Matt Beaudet That’s true though, you’re right. Here in Europe nobody has guns, most average policemen don’t even have guns (rather a bat and zapper thingy as weapons) so the whole idea of bringing a gun, let alone to a wedding, just baffles me. School shootings don’t exist here, no school has gates here and anyone can walk in and out, the only thing we worry about is terrorist attacks at big events. But they are not ‘our’ people. Just the idea of your average Joe carrying a gun and being able to kill someone at any given time, I just can’t comprehend with it. Must be a difficult thing to live around guns, I guess people get desensitized to it? Idk. Very fascinating and difficult topic.
@Dan Silver To try and prevent people from making money off of the slogans with his name. Why did you ask a simple question that would’ve taken you two seconds to google and get an answer? 🤔
@babykrul I see you’re side, and I’m happy you share a personal viewpoint because that helps me put myself into your shoes. Guns can be scary, you’re definitely right, but so can knives, bats, cars, etc. A gun is a tool just like a hammer is a tool, they both serve specific roles, and they can both be repurposed to cause harm to another human being. My point with that is I’m more afraid of people than I am afraid of objects, if someone wants to cause harm it doesn’t matter if they have an AR15 or a knife, they are going to cause some sort of harm. Not trying to be naive and say someone with a knife is more deadly than a man with a gun either, but I think you get my core point. To be honest, almost any average Joe can completely snap and kill someone with almost anything, watch some videos on Active Self Protections channel, he has a plethora of attacks on innocent people and it puts your vulnerability, and the fact that one short moment can truly be your last into perspective. As far as desensitized? I’d disagree. Firearms are such a large part of both American History, and American Culture, and in a lot of areas they are what bring a lot of people together. Last note. I understand terrorist in your country are not “your people”, isn’t that all the more reason to want the most elite form of self protection against enemies both foreign and domestic? You’re absolutely right that this is an awesome topic for discussion, I’ve been around them my entire life, I’m assuming you’ve never held one, but we can still talk and express our opinions!
The biggest indicator for me is when he lies about the music being on when they pulled in. He says it was not on when he pulled in which several witnesses, including his fiancée, disputed that claim. Makes me feel like he heard the loud rap music and intentionally pulled next to that vehicle hoping that an altercation would occur so that he could open fire on the vehicle.
@Montè If he wanted to shoot the vehicle, wouldn't he have just done it? I agree that he might have used his gun as an excuse to not de-escalate the situation (stayed in it too long), but I don't think this was racially motivated. Unfortunately he set a terrible example for concealed carry.
@zfJames I didn’t once say this was racially motivated? I said I believe he heard the loud rap music, made an assumption that people who listen to “thug” music (as he called it) are thuggish and assumed he would be able to get into an altercation and use his gun in self defense. As a ccw holder I can say this is not a bad example of concealed carry. This is cold blooded murder. He knew those kids did not pose a threat but shot at them anyway simply because he wanted to.
@Montè I think we're on the same page then. My reason in saying it sets a bad example is because it makes the rest of CCW holders look like they are just waiting to murder someone. Is this guy a murderer? Absolutely, quite literally.
He spent a whole minute bragging about how he practices pulling a gun on someone all the time, by his military friends. I would bet a lot that he was dreaming of the time he would be able to shoot a man legally.
Lol born in raised in Duval county.... what they don't tell you is the innocent boys drove off.... they had a gun... sweet Jordan. Yeah right... duuuuvalll😅
@Jen M yes the child attacked him. They could never explain after the incident when the boys drove off where they go? They were ditching a gun. Zimmerman was attacked. I'm from Duval County Mr Jordan wasn't no innocent little boy period and being from Duval County you're right there were probably racist present. And they were in the Durango. Facts
@babykrul gun stays in my car especially in Duval County. Those boys weren't innocent. There's always been something wrong with that chase there's always been a time frame missing time frame in which they disposed of a gun. Sweet little angels blaring their trashy vulgar music LOL there is a missing time frame that this case they ditched a gun. Don't care what anybody says I'm from Duval County I know those were notb sweet angels in that Durango that night
@babykrul Well, that is a moot point. When i used to carry, i was armed 24/7 unless it would earn me a felony, but besides that absolutely this man just wanted to shoot someone.
I have this same exact thought with gun owners/self-defense psychos. Why buy something for a couple thousand dollars and not want to use it or carry it around?
@Logan Serbus Theres nothing wrong with carrying, or owning weapons. There is everything wrong with this mans psyche and discipline, and saying that owning a firearm and/or carry permit makes somebody psychotic is just not a rational statement.
@Alexander Erickson If I gave you a pencil, the act of drawing or writing something is much more probable than if I never gave you a writing utensil in the first place. The same logic applies here. If I gave you a firearm, the probability of a violent incident resulting in death/injury is much higher than if I didn't. Everybody, and I MEAN EVERYBODY has there off-days or bad days.
There is certainly nothing wrong with carrying/owning firearms, you are correct. It's the individuals who choose to do so that worry me. That was my point and logic.
Ya know I've pondered on this thought the 1st time I watched this. But not that he was actively/consciously waiting everyday for this kind of thing to show up, but more along the lines of his subconscious waiting for this moment.
Like a sort of pride thing. Just the thought engulfing him on the inside almost dormant. But when the moment arises, he knew what time it was. His moment to shine if you will. Fascinating thought FOR SURE.
He surely used to drive around and see 'people like that' and tell himself they're the people who would shoot him for something minor. Now he's in prison and gets to remember every day he was the 'thug' and 'killer'
That's what I think. He didn't enter that parking lot thinking this would happen. It was just spur of the moment, yet at the same time built up over time as a result of his wanting to have a chance to do this
@Joey johnson Got any proof for that? That guy didn‘t even know himself clearly what he ‚saw‘ , no one elese saw what he ‚saw‘ and he was caught lying and he didn’t even act slightly scared according to his fiance, so there is no reason to believe that these boys did anything harmful to anyone. That‘s just blatant racism from your side it seems.
@bobby ray of the family smith unfortunately you’re not lying when you say there are those exact fat white dudes that dream about a self defense shooting in their favor. Here in America we are the “melting pot” and we have hundreds of cultures and ethnicity’s blending into one, so to say it’s mainly white middle aged men that are the threat to general society, I’d disagree. Regardless, I carry a gun, and those people that are intentionally looking for trouble are the reason why. That genuinely scares me that there’s people both with, and without firearms, that want to start trouble strictly as an excuse to cause harm to somebody else and “get away” with it. Or those people that want to just cause harm to other people. I absolutely never wish to use my firearm on another person, ever, for any reason at all. I’m mainly a hunter and hunt for the purpose of feeding myself in an independent way, so my firearms do serve me a utility as well. There are extremists within every culture, religion, etc in the world, don’t let the few assholes in the firearm community portray an image for us all.
@Jamie White I am honestly not sure how to respond to this. Instead of this being the case of a racist abusing his right to keep and bear arms to violate another persons right to life. It has to be about how people advocating or being in favor of shall issue conceal carry licenses - fantasize about committing murder and getting away with it.
It is especially interesting and noteworthy that - what may for all intent and purpose to be considered - defamation of gun owners or gun rights people. That this is done by the same type of person to go on about how we need "common sense" gun control laws. That being you. But hey, if dehumanizing gun rights advocates helps makes you feel better and helps to put your mind at ease. Then be so be it.
I quite frankly consider such defamatory remarks to be irrelevant to the video in question and the gun control debate as a whole. A more productive discussion would have been to argue the point shall issue gun ownership makes violent crime more deadly and that shall issue public carry leads to an increase in a per capita increase in violent crime. Then again, anecdotes - which this case study really is - are more emotionally engaging that cold, hard data... that being boring.
All this gun rights stuff isn’t nearly as big a problem in other countries as it is down in the states, because Americans have an entitled attitude about freedom and that anything they don’t like is the end of the world. The rest of the world sees things as privileges, America sees everything as a right and it’s stubborn and petty because of it
@Jamie White I do agree that there what is considered an individuals right - especially concerning gun ownership - is vastly different in America then Europe and most of the rest of the world.
Your disagreement with an individuals right to keep and bear arms is not what I take issue with.
The problem is when you make the claim - without evidence of any sort - that a majority of people who conceal carry firearms in public.
Do so, not because they sincerely believe that only they themselves are responsible for their own safety - or because they are concerned about the possibility of being unable to defend themselves with their fists against a knife or bat or group of attackers.
No, instead you go on to argue that - people who conceal carry do so because they, well - "simply want to act upon their twisted fantasize of killing people".
That is the issue.
I yet to share my view on gun laws or the public carrying of firearms by civilians. Because I do not consider it to be all that important to this disagreement.
I believe in an individuals right to keep and bear arms - which includes shall issue purchase, manufacture and public carry. I think that open carry - as opposed to concealed carry - is (in a large majority of instances) actually braindead, bordering on retarded.
I am fundamentally opposed to pre-emptively restricting and individuals freedom for the sole reason that said freedom can be misused. Even if that misuse can constitute the violation of another person right to life.
This is what European and non-American gun laws are - you cannot argue this point. What we disagree about if such a preemptive restriction of an individuals freedom is justified.
And this is where we have to agree to disagree.
TL;DR I know that you are probably upset that a raging racist murdered and tried to murder several black teenagers. Fine, I dislike that to.
Yet harping and defaming people who wish and do carry firearms concealed as bloodthirsty or trigger happy... does not leave me with a fresh of cold mint.
I don't know man, knowing joggers it seems a LOT more reasonable that they actually said "you dead bitch" and him in a panic shooting them than their story (him taking his gun, showing them how he loads it like in a bad movie and then fucking up his whole life over loud music)....
@babykrul self defense in case for the hotel or the ride but this dude especially the way he described the way he pulled the gun was clearly looking for a moment to be some action star
well, why is this man under trial? A software engineer, big brain man, taken from his freedom for 4 lowlifes good at nothing at they are as they are? Well done America, well done.
Continue to defend the 'usual suspects" and nothing will remain out of your country. You see the signs already.
@LongLiveSmoove Wasn’t that guy that got shot a white guy? That dude shot that poor guy just because he was looking for a reason though. He was yelling at the dudes wife with the kids in the car and ended up getting his butt kicked a little bit and ended up killing that guy because he is a coward.
@Legiamas he had the chance to lower the music down, isn't it? it had the chance to not provoke and disrespect a man when is with his woman? Isn't it? It is hard to accept facts and numbers and realities in your country. Until when? Because of these people you are already down, don't you see that? Really? We in Europe reject all that is coming in media/news/movies/TV series from US, the antiwhite propaganda that is.
@viralshield he did lower the music, the shooter and everyone who was there corroborated this. I’m not with the anti white bs, most people aren’t. The reality is that a guy blasted a teen over music because he felt like it, not because he was provoked. What part of Europe are you even from, France?
@Eren Yeager all the 4 kids were black. Jordan Davis was the one who got shot and killed. Orrrrrr not, I’m thinking of this, you’re talkin about a Florida shooting lol
Driving around with a loaded gun whilst intoxicated does not sound like the actions of a well person. Feel so sorry for the young man and his loved ones. He shouldn’t of even been driving, it would have been more sensible to get a taxi.
@Montè Agreed. This man is a murderer, who wanted to kill not one of them but all of them. He shot at all 4 of them. He did not seek cover, he got out of his car and started shooting at them. He shot at them as they were FLEEING. He fired 10 rounds at them. If the music was loud enough for him to ask them to turn it down, there's no way he could understand their conversation. Even if he could, being threatened is not a valid reason to open fire on a group of people. The real problem here is, why was this bloodthirsty monster the only one with a gun? Why was no one there to stop him? That young man's life could have been spared if just one decent carrier, officer or civilian, had been present.
@Matt Beaudet That is so fascinating. Thank you for this info! Indeed never had such a conversation with someone that has experience with/around guns that is not a soldier. (I assume:) I agree that the person makes the weapon, maybe Europeans have a different vision on gun control because guns seem so far away from reality here. Also, schools and public buildings are way smaller here, there are more of them spread throughout the country (Netherlands btw), making your local supermarket/mall/etc. excessible by bike, no matter where in the country you live. I think buildings and areas where people come together feel safer because it all feels local and not as places where everyone from the country can gather, but I can connect to what you’re saying because the fear is still there at gas stations on the side of the highway, airports, etc. Thinking of how big your country is (I believe the Netherlands is about the size of a single state) and how many vastly different ways of living there can be, from very rural places to modern cities, makes sense things are really different. Doesn’t mean all is well in our country: a while ago people have been setting 5G towers on fire as a protest, and the moment the government decided on a temporary curfew due to covid, they set cars and stores on fire. People are weapons indeed! Thanks for this enlightening info. Quite special to have an open conversation like this in the youtube comments! :)
100%…!!!!! I knew some people that were part of very high profile double murder that made international news a while back. Although I didn’t know the people very closely, but knew them well enough, I predicted that something like this was going to happen… and unfortunately, it did, and for the dumbest reason ever (which is why it made international news). Although I don’t know this guy from Adam, I get the same type of vibe from him……
He may be a racist , but we don’t know the dialogue that went on between those two cars.. they may have been egging him on and talking shit to him.. they were young and he told them to turn the music down.. they could have been talking shot and trying to egg him on, maybe even acting like they had a gun, but he fired way too many shots even after they were fleeing the scene.. it’s so hard to speculate not being there first hand
@babykrul I’m not a solider, just a 23 year old civilian who’s grown up around guns. I live in a small state, lot of woods and back country towns, yes we have a few “cities” here but the vast majority of my state is woods/open land/mountains. I went to a private high school and graduated with 98 kids, the city high school had a graduating class of 600-700 kids, small for American standards.In my state as long as you’re legally able to own a firearm, you can carry one both openly and concealed without a permit. It sounds wild, especially with me mentioning a shooting taking place at a wedding, but the gun violence in New Hampshire is extremely low. It’s majority people like myself. And people that do want to cause harm/criminals taking advantage of people, it’s that much more discomforting to them knowing basically anyone could be carrying a gun. Again our culture isn’t 100% right and I’m not saying our way of life is what’s best for all, but I think the media gives it a lot worse of a rap than it really should. They really like to demonize people like myself in the media and it’s very disheartening and upsetting because it portrays such a poor image on a community of people that’s is majority full of great people who help each other and their communities. Also thank you for your information as well! Times are tough and it’s so easy to be harsh to each other, but talking to another human and trying to place yourself in their shoes and see their viewpoint is a lot more rewarding!
@zamoragiloz you feel entitled to everything and think it’s about freedom. In no other country are gun rights this controversial, every time someone tries to change something you say it’s about your freedoms to use guns and your god given right and stuff but it’s not, it’s a privilege
I agree, I feel like he saw their race and looked for any small thing to set it off. There are people who are hidden racists, and he's definitely one of them. He automatically registered them in his mind as thugs because they listen to rap music and they're black.
the fact that he called it “thug music” immediately made me feel that this was not a spur of the moment thing. he obviously had a hatred for black people and was waiting to act on it.
@Jonas Strzyz somehow that one was longer than the last one lol
Letting people own handguns is stupid, with your logic people should be allowed to deal drugs, because it’s about freedom not safety to you. Guns are cool, and I’m sure they’re fun to own and shoot, but if your rights end where someone else’s begin then why should you be allowed to carry a lethal weapon around with you everywhere you go, I get there’s a hero here and there that uses it for good but how many people are murdered, killed by suicide or robbed with them for those few incidents. Think of how many incidents you’ve had where you’re like “darn wish I had a gun right now”. Your logic is pretty backwards, and yeah I do think the people who feel the need to carry guns around do fantasize about being heroes and defending themselves, not everyone is going to kill someone to feel like that obviously but there’s definitely some James Bond feelings associated with carrying a gun around, you’re pretty much never going to need a gun and much more often non-lethal would be better, if you insist on guns so much then use a beanbag shotgun I don’t care, there are cops now you don’t need to be a vigilante like it says in the constitution. Times have changed from 300 years ago
"Letting people own handguns is stupid," I disagree
"with your logic people should be allowed to deal drugs,"
Yes, at least in the US. I grew up in Germany and lived in Sweden for more than half my life. In both of these countries there is an agreement among the majority of citizens that the government has a duty to care for its people. Care is not viewed as limited to a military, the police and courts. No, it is extended and includes matters, such as tax payer funded education and healthcare.
As such the those countries have an interest in preventing keeping their people healthy.
Consuming fast food and sodas on a regular basis is not healthy. Doing drugs recreationally is also not healthy. Thus I have a lot less of an issue with the government saying. "No you cannot put 50% sugar by weight in a baked product and call it bread." and "No, you cannot deal and/or use drugs.
Though I do not consider prison for mer drug use to be a justified form of punishment - if said use did not pose a danger to others people or the public.
In the US, this same notion and general expectation that healthcare should be taxpayer funded - does not apply. To extent that it exists, it does not appear to be a majority opinion.
"because it’s about freedom not safety to you." Exactly, this where you will have to agree to disagree.
"but how many people are murdered," Good question, have you done the math or speculated as to how low the murder rate per capita in the US would be, was firearms ownership not on a shall issue basis?
"killed by suicide" when it comes to suicide, ownership of handguns or the carrying of firearms in public is irrelevant to this discussion. As someone who has actually been suicidal for extended periods of my life - I do not think that I had my father owned a rifle but not a handgun, that I would have gone.
"Darn it, I really want to fucking not live, but aiming the rifle at my head is just to much of a bother, so I will not end my own existence - which is agonizing and miserable."
I honestly do not know as to who would ever think such a thought.
Teen suicide rates can be reduced by implementing safe storage laws - which, if they do not violate DC. vs Heller 2008, or put an undue burden on the gun owner, I support.
"or robbed with them for those few incidents."
This is actually interesting, because you mention armed robbery. In Sweden - this does not apply to Germany to anywhere near the same extent.
There is this thing commonly reffered to as "knivlagen" directly translated into "knifelaw" - yes, Swedish grammar allows for that.
The short of this is that a civilian carrying a knife, pepper spray, baton, two by four, hammer, crowbar, baseball bat or similar item without a valid reason - self defense not being considered one - has committed a crime.
I do not believe that it is particularly difficult to conceal a hammer, butcher knife, clever, machete or hammer and then rob someone with it.
I also have a hard time believing that people who get robbed in Sweden go like - ah, well, he only has a knife so I am totally going to be able to defend myself and not get seriously injured. In fact, one could make the argument that being robbed with a gun makes the victim less prone to defend themselves - which reduces the chance of the victim getting injured.
If you concern is that when the victim gets injured, that it is more likely to be seriously injured, then I would have to agree.
However, your characterization of "conceal carries" - which does that include me? - is really uncharitable, it also does not exactly help your case of "common sense" gun laws. When you just insulted the person who you are arguing against that they carry their firearms because they are "just itching to pull the trigger", because they "just want to get into a shootout and emerge victorious".
I would recommend watching Paul Harrel, Carl Cassandra from InrangeTV, Ian McCollum from Forgotten Weapons. The first has a lot of military and firearms experience and has actually been involved in a shooting, while the latter two both conceal carry and a quite respectable individuals of the gun community, as much as dislike that term.
The fact that he identified the kid who was talking crap to him, yet was willing to endanger the lives of three other minors by shooting 10 times, shows that he really wanted to hurt them before they said a word to him because of their "thug music" and the fact that he called himself the victor to his wife also proves this. If he was brave enough to get out of his car, why didn't he signal to the kid and say "you right there, get out, imma kick your ass" but the truth is that he made up his mind to shoot someone soon after he pulled into the parking lot.
the amount of times this man said "you are dead bitch" is so ridiculous. this man truly got what he deserved. taking the life of a 17 year old kid. it is just so sad man
I can just imagine the “Oh, crap!” moment when Dunderhead first saw the black detective coming to participate in his questioning. Makes me smile a little, despite the tragedy of his murder of an innocent kid. I doubt he would have said anything had that been loud rock or country music and a carload of white kids.
This guy … who is the narrator, has the best ability to get you involved and interested with what we all deal with daily.People and more people. He can explain what most of us feel from everyday, shooting the shit with anyone any given moment! I absolutely love his narrative and physiology with what the person is all about as your watching! Number one!
these guys just dig themselves deeper and deeper with every question, glad this guy didn't but maaan the number 1 thing I have learned from this channel is to get a lawyer whether you're guilty or innocent
This guy shows more emotion when he talked about his stupid dog more than taking someone’s life! Disgusting. His sentence is well deserved! My condolences to the family.
It’s true, like I read in the comments, this interview is def more interesting & REVEALING than all of the current “true crime” tv shows. As for the “fictional dramas”, they can’t write dialogue as bold as this “actual” person because NO ONE would believe it & because NO ONE would watch it. It’s hard for me to comprehend that this is a “REAL LIFE” man.
The police, lawyers, judge, witnesses, jury & victims in this video: there was no weapon in the car, none of the kids had a criminal record nor was Mr. Dunn threatened with death Some people in the comments still : a bunch criminal thugs threatened to shoot this man to death
Listening to this guys own lie’s is pathetic. What a total shame! so unnecessary! He’s always just been a ticking time bomb waiting to go off. So common this situation so unjustified thought he was bigger than the law.
What's the big deal with loud music? He was only going to be there a minute or two. He's obviously a very angry and dangerous man. He probably thought he'd get away with it especially cause those poor guys were black.
@Slop King That's what happens when people are allowed to walk around with guns, they have extra confidence to start trouble because they are armed but America does not see its own foolishness which is at this point blatant to the world.
That jail phone call almost sounds scripted and he made sure to get it all in, despite Rhonda trying to stop him, since he knew he was being recorded. He knows the truth of what he did and may not care but is clearly aware that he killed an innocent kid.
It's best to just ignore these kinds of things, finish your business and leave the area. It's not worth screwing up your whole life over because that is what will happen. You can't win with these kinds of situations ever.
Does anybody else find it amusing and ironic that @15:35 out of all the expressions he could’ve used, he chose to say “I thought live and let live”. Because he didn’t live and let live at all. He shot into a car full of unarmed people.
I love the call in the intro. Rhonda doesn't want to hear him continue talking because she knew what he was saying was bullshit. Or maybe not. But that's what makes me happy.
That is so fd up that he barely can hide his smile when the officer says they re lucky that only one out of four was shot and they all could ve been hit. As he is imagining that in delectation. This is sickening... hatred at its worst
They also (Cops) KNOW how to talk their way outta “these situations”...they’ve DONE this so many times, they have a whole protocol for it. It’s so obvious to them he’s said the wrong things...
He might of had a chance if he had only shot one or two times and stayed at the scene or at least called from the hotel. His shooting 12 times and at a retreating car is the deciding factor here I think.
A woman with her heart in the right place dedicated to justice even if its her own husband, or maybe, especially when its her own husband / fiance, hell yeah she's a keeper, just not for this guy to keep.
If you think she's the opposite, you are looking for an accomplice, not a wife.
@John Walker then dont innocently shoot teenagers? The point was the woman knew the guy was wrong, why support a murderer? If the situation was more nuanced and the murder was "justified" in any sense, she probably wouldnt have "ratted" him.
@John Walker she wasn't forced, and she shouldn't have been - dude was waiting for years just to whip his pistol out and bust some shots. That much was clear, if its racially motivated Ill leave out of the debate but highly likely. Also, should I ever marry a woman, we would have a mutual understanding of what our perception of moral is, so if you are a healthy person with a functioning brain a similar situation would never happen, since you would never get caught up in something so foolishly stupid.
If you expect the love of your life to get herself in trouble for your bullshit then thats a wrong on your side lol.
Not her husband. She may have needed a way out, mentions “knowing how he gets” and how she didn’t really want to bother him about what had happened... living in fear. No one should live like that but people do get trapped sadly :( glad she got away... he could have realised how much shit he was in and gone on a rampage or killed her the dog and then himself! Thankfully not.
The victim’s mom, Lucy McBath, is now a politician working to end gun violence. RIP to Jordan Davis and kudos to his mother for all she’s done to prevent gun violence since his tragic death
Robert Gaudet Gun control. Stricter laws that don’t let just anyone go up to a walmart and buy a weapon. Must be only available to people that have received extensive training and gone through regular mental health checks. So many countries have this, I don’t understand how the same can’t be done in the US
@cryomancer the second amendment is the easy reason, but the real reason is that theres just not broad support amoungst the electorate for the policies you describe.
@cryomancer I think our Constitution has a section most others lack. Iraq, for instance, has a carbon copy of our Constitution just missing one part. Guess which part.
Robert Gaudet have no idea what your point here is, but gun safety laws don’t violate the 2nd amendment in the slightest. People would still have access to guns, but only trained, responsible and mentally stable people.
@Zarquon Z we have thousands of gun control laws in this country, and any further restrictions pose a significant burden on law abiding citizens with no demonstrable net reduction in violent crime. They also, like the nfa that already exists, largely artificially raise the cost of arms, putting them out of reach of the poor and lower middle class. This very much disproportionately restricts the ability of minorities to obtain defensive weapons, while still allowing the wealthy to do whatever they want.
Your efforts would go a lot further in saving lives if you focused on disrupting inner city hood culture, without negatively impacting 100 million people that are never going to hurt anyone with their guns. Guys like michael Dunn are an outlier, and the one or 2 cases like his a year are not a reason for broad restrictions for the public at large. Charging the guy with murder is the proper response.
@cryomancer you already have to pass a background check to get a gun.. you can't walk into Walmart and buy a just "buy a gun" maybe you should educate yourself a bit.
@Cryomancer Insulting a position you disagree with by mocking their perceived political affiliation is childish at best, and extremely laughable in pretty much every scenario. You'll get nowhere with people who don't exactly believe what you believe by belittling them and acting like you have the moral high ground because you happen to support the "correct" political party. People like you are why there is such a huge division in our country. You don't respect, nor seemingly have the ability to listen to someone else say something that you don't agree with. None of that makes what that person said wrong. Do you even know how many laws we have restricting gun ownership? The problem isn't gonna be solved by adding new laws. How about actually enforcing some of the ones we already have for starters? In the majority of shootings in the US the guns were acquired illegally anyway, so I'm not sure what makes you think more laws would help. There have been SO many cases in the past decade that should have been prevented except the government screwed up and didn't enforce the existing laws, leading to people who should not be able to own guns owning guns. Try not being a smug prick sometime btw, definitely helps when you're trying to win an argument. And just because someone thinks differently than you doesn't make them "brainwashed" lmao. But I know you just want to feel better than other people, pretty obvious when you think mentioning someone's perceived political affiliation is shutting down their argument, lmao. "I'm better than you because I follow the CORRECT political party!" -Cryomancer
Mitchell Monroe if you think gun laws don’t work you must live in a bubble. If you’re too lazy to read statistics, you can just look at countries that have gun control and compare it to the US. 26% of Canada own guns, significant number. The level of gun violence there can’t even compare to this country. It’s honestly embarrassing for a place that’s supposed to be “first-world”
@Zarquon Z because every gun law is an infringement. The government literally should have no say about how law abiding citizens choose to arm themselves. “Shall not be infringed” is clear. Just because one person uses their rights to hurt another person doesn’t mean you take away everyone’s rights. Gun laws also don’t work, chicago, detroit, new york, california have some of the strictest gun laws and have the most gun deaths.
@cryomancer while i agree with sensible gun control(permit, no mental issues), do you really think that usa is just gonna become a canada-like country? I dont know much about you but i hope you don't fall into the trap that guns are the issue of crime, and not the person behind the gun. It has to do allot with mentality, culture and general relations and less about legal availability than some might think. Im sure you probably heard this argument a ton by now but its true, people are gonna find alternatives if their objective is killing either via illegal(black) market or by different weapons and most innocent citizens won't buy and use illegal weapons to protect themselves so they are gonna be at disadvantage.
Mr. Erik I agree that culture could be an issue, US citizens have been conditioned to be gun obsessed for generations now. This is why radical ideas such as a gun ban are absurd, not only bc it’s an infringement of rights, but also bc it would never work in this country. Gun control wouldn’t make it impossible to obtain guns, but it’d certainly discourage violence to some degree. Not only to prevent harm to others, but also to themselves. I’ve heard of sooo many mentally ill people’s statements of how the easy accessibility of guns triggered more violent/suicidal thoughts in them. It’s not an irrefutable solution, but it’d prevent so many more tragedies
@shiny warm Can you give a breakdown of violent gun crimes according to race a socio-economic status? Maybe by state and county as well? That should clear things up
@shiny warm cross county murder rates dont prove that, because cultures are different from country to county. If you look at per capita firearm ownership in various locations within the us there is no noticable differences in violent crime rates. You've also cherry picked data sets, as there are several countries with far more restrictive gun control legislation packages that have significantly higher murder rates. Comparing the united states, a large and culturally diverse country to small largely homogeneous european countries isnt a fair comparison. Most of those countries are in recent years seeing upticks in all their violent crime rates as non european natives are immigrating into their countries. Give them 200 years of essentially unrestricted imigration like the united states has allowed and see where they are at.
There is, however, even within individual cities, a pretty major difference in murder rates based on ethnic background and more importantly, median income levels, these are the real predictors of violent crime rates.
@cory ponder I'm afraid Im not here to undertake detailed research for the benefit of - with respect - random Youtubers. My comment was simply pointing out that the assertion made by that poster lacked any substance and the gross statistical evidence points in exactly the opposite direction
@Don Quasebarth your opening statement is true, but meaningless in this context, as gun laws and the availability of firearms is an integral part of a culture. The question is whether a culture in which there are strict gun control reduces the likelihood that people will use guns to commit crime. The evidence is that, even though they are not sufficient in themselves, other things being equal, they do help lower the rate. Your suggestion that median income is the main driver of gun deaths is an oversimplification. eg the wealthiest states of the US by median income are Maryland (gun death rate 11.9), New Jersey (5.29) and Massachusetts (3.4). Only the third of these has a lower rate than any European country. The worst European country is Montenegro at 3.5, one of the poorest countries in Europe, and one of those formed in the aftermath of an extremely bloody civil war, where firearms were freely circulated. You're also right about the influence of gangs, but so far the evidence shows gun laws can still play an important part in making it tougher for gangs to operate in a gun-based subculture, and in spreading gun violence more widely
@shiny warm homicides arent equally occurring across any state, or even any city. They are hyper focused in low income areas. Every state has a couple cities that are responsible for a majority of their homicides, and every city has a couple blocks that are responsible for a majority of their homicides. These locations are overwhelmingly populated with people living well below the median, many of the residents in these areas are living in fatherless homes (a major predictor of violent crime tendancies) and/or living on some form of government assistance
Also, in the united states the overwhelming majority of homicide victims are convicted felons, known gang associates, or actively committing a felony at the time of their deaths. Something like 70 percent of homicide victims fall into one of those categories.
@Don Quasebarth, thanks. The US remains an outlier amongst developed countries. To take the UK as an example of a country with strict gun laws, the entire UK (population 67 million) suffered 30 gun murders IN TOTAL in 2019-20. The US state of Maryland alone (population 6m) suffered over 600. To put it another way, the criminal population of one of the most prosperous states in the US shoots 20 times more of its citizens to death than the entire underclass of the UK - and all its drug gangs, felons and the rest - combined. Only when you add in every other type of murder does the UK reach an annual total of 600 murders. So strict gun control is not a complete solution to gun crime, but it makes it harder to become a murderer. We see the same dynamic in countries where guns have become readily available following war eg Serbia has become notorious in Europe for having a per capita gun ownership rate second only to the US - and the murder rate by firearm is correspondingly high
@Hatte! lmao y’all just say anything and call it an argument huh? How is half the population disqualified? Give me one example of this happening in any other country. And what other ways could this go wrong? If you had an answer for that you would’ve just said it. The reason why you’re so defensive is because you aren’t willing to have an open mind. You’re just willing to react, to contradict.
@cory ponder Australia has incredibly harsh gun laws, what are you talking about? After the Port Arthur Massacre 650,000 privately-owned firearms were confiscated and there’s a complete ban on semi-automatic weapons. They also have a national gun registry so that they know exactly who owns what guns. They’ve almost completely eliminated mass shootings and homicide and suicide rates have also been reduced.
@Kamil Zapart Idk man the guy who shot up his job in Indianapolis was on an FBI watch list and was still able to legally buy a gun. Doesn’t seem like they’re very difficult to get.
@Maggie Karabel His mom called the police and said he might do a suicide shooting. Wouldn't you think the logical thing to do in this case was idk, maybe the police or the freaking FBI to issue a block or some type of red flag on his file when it came to him buying a firearm? Police already confiscated a shotgun prior and he had undergone a mental health evaluation. So it sounds like the system failed in preventing this teenager from getting another gun. How many other shootings have had the same scenario? So to me in this particular case, you should be blaming the shitty authorities for their crappy work that if they actually cared couldve prevented him from getting another gun. I mean you see how different things are when you actually bring up events that happened to the lead of a situation instead of just summarizing what happened?
@avenger31X you dont seem to have understood the statistics. The all-cause homicide rate for the US is around 7.5 per 100 000. For Europe it is 1.7. Not a single country in Europe can match the US murder rate. So even if you are right and that other methods of killing are more prevalent, that would just mean the firearm murder rate in the US alone accounts for the excess of murders in the US. In other words, the US murder rate by firearms alone (around 3.5) is higher than the murder rate from all means including firearms, stabbings, stranglings, poisonings, beatings and everything else in every European country except Latvia. Either US citizens are exceptionally murderous types or the comparatively easy availability of guns in the US makes them much more likely to kill - and die
@avenger31X without wanting to write a thesis here I'd be interested in the sources of the statistical data supporting your claims about violent crime excluding guns. What is the sexual assault rate in the US v Europe for example?
@cryomancer The information you gave is just straight up factually incorrect dude. You don't know nothing about gun laws and how any of it works. And saying a shooting happens every week is extremely overdramatic
@Paul R A school bus driver in minnesota was shot in the head while the bus was full of kids, 2 days ago. Less than a week earlier another bus packed with kids was shot at in north carolina. None of this makes the mainstream news because it happens so often. Yes, shootings happen every week in this country. If only you cared enough, you would’ve known that
@Zarquon Z Your faith in the haste of the police is baffling. Was robbed at gunpoint and waited eight minutes for their arrival. Bought a gun after that.
I just wanna point out to all the Americans flame warring each other: the root word for amendment is amend. As in, to change, adapt. You can change this stuff. It's literally already been changed before. It's not some holy text or some such.
@trith72 I imagine you're refering to the UK murder statistics? In which case, you have it wildly wrong. The most recent Home Office report states, "In the year ending March 2021 there were 224 homicides (currently recorded) using a sharp instrument, including knives and broken bottles.". You have exaggerated the number by a factor of 10. In fact, the number of homicides from ALL causes in the UK each year rarely exceeds 1,000 in total.
@shiny warm I live in the real world, the one that contains communist China, communist Korea, and where Soviet Russia and the Gestapo occurred alongside one another. You can feel safe and cozy in government arms - I appreciate my second amendment.
@A C The state with the nnext highest gun ownership rate in the world to the US is Yemen. Do you thik the citizens of Yemen enjoy a particularly safe or free life? That's followed by Serbia and Montenegro - hardly models of freedom and democracy. The region with the highest private gun ownership level in the UK is Northern Ireland. NI was occupied by the British army for 38 years, and even today civilians are terrorised by armed militia. Afghanistan is another great example of what happens when guns are freely available. Private gun ownership does not guarantee personal safety - as we can see by the murder rate in the US. Neither does it protect people from oppression. Instead, it facilitates the growth of gangsterism and extortion rackets
@shiny warm You should fire at least 300 rounds through at least 3 handguns of varying caliber before deciding you want someone else to potentially have one while you do not. I'm assuming you haven't done that.
Anyway, again, no point in talking about this with me, Senator Shiny Warm. Take it up with the rest of Congress and get a bill to present to the president. He has the final say so, and we're getting nowhere here.
@A C for someone who thinks we are getting nowhere, you seem keen on continuing the discussion. I already pointed out the vicious cycle of easy gun availability, and if I were surrounded by private citizens carrying guns, I might well want to get one myself. But that's how you end up with a murder rate that is way ahead of every other civilised country. There's nothing special about US borders. The countries of the EU have free movement. It is possible to make a single, interrupted car trip from Spain to Beijing, crossing through many of the gangster states of the former USSR, Iraq and Afghanistan. But Europeans still manage to control guns, are not state tyrannies, and don't murder each other at the rate Americans do.
That's amazing I live in her congressional district (Georgia's 6th) and knowing that she's motivated by personal experiences makes me like her even more
That's amazing I live in her congressional district (Georgia's 6th) and knowing that she's motivated by personal experiences makes me like her even more
@cryomancer check records and keep them. No need for all that extra bullshit, don’t think it’s too hard to determine who should and shouldn’t be allowed to own any variation of a firearm.
I’ve never been administered the oath with the So Help You God in it, and I’ve never heard it at any time in court. I always wanted it to happen so I could say “No”.
ive watched this a couple times. I want to know what 'your mom is sending you a BOOK.....' means. like it sounds like contraband but what use would that be, especially when she pretty much entirely refuses to lie for him at any other point.
I am now very interested in your thinking about this case and the verdict. What do you think is the reason for his doing? 1. A false recognition of reality and therefore dealing within a split second false? But really thinking his life was in danger? 2. A quick blackout, feeling like a hero, feeling really a threat but due to feeling like Bruce Willis he was overacting and absolutely didn’t react the way he should? But we believe him, that he felt in a way threatened? 3. He made this, knowing there is no real threat. He is not in danger, he has just fun playing the strong guy, protecting his fiancée and his life (not really fearing) 4. Has a deep grown hate towards black young men, seeing in all black guys more a gang manner than a part of the society, always wanted to make usage of his weapon. Waited for a situation like this, was happy that these guys played with him like he was expecting (growing aggressions and escalating), ready to kill someone in a situation which means no danger to him but may look for the outside like a self defence situation. Would have done this to anyone, but being his “opponent” black, made this “better”? 5. Or did I miss a reason?
"i thought it was a gun but i guess it could have just been a stick" he's saying it so casually as if it's normal to just drive around with sticks in your car
This man's fortitude was in that glove box when he pulled into that parking lot. The alcohol just inflated that sense. If that gun wasn't in his car, he would have never opened his mouth to ask for the music to be turned down. He's probably played this hero scenario out in his head hundreds of times before this night, being the hero for his lady. Hence, no remorse for a dead teenage boy or his family but can't hold back the waterfalls for his puppy. Good job jury!
I reckon she is EXTREMELY LUCKY he was jailed. Otherwise she would definitely be in an abusive relationship. He is a narcissist whose ONLY remedy is violence. She at least was upset by the shooting, but almost seems to agree with him that HE IS a victim. Though she does try to cut him off from that train. He's a self centred bully.
I think she agrees 100% that he was in the wrong even to the extent of not being willing to alter or omit her testimony. You can tell how upset she is with everything, she’s seems like a kind person. Some people turn in to real tough guys when they drink which seems to have been a factor, among many others, in this case. Some people also look for a reason to pull their gun. This is a heartbreaking story, I remember being young and playing our music loud and just enjoying life. As a little bit older person now the super loud music can be irritating but I just remind myself how they’re young and enjoying life like they should be or I’ll ask them who they’re listening to which automatically gets it turned down and strikes up a friendly conversation and I get some new music ideas to listen to.
He thought that music was loud? He doesn't know what loud is but he will when he sets one foot in prison. This was very avoidable for everybody involved
Jesus Christ man im 17 and was out with friends earlier today, mad to think he was in the same situation and it ended so differently because of some racist prick, rest in peace man
Drunken man sees some coloured lads doing nothing other then listening to music minding their own business. So he decides to cause beef with them rather then park elsewhere or just mind his own business and be on his way. All caused by him and now he has to suffer his actions. Hope the lads are doing good these days and staying strong. Sorry to the poor young lad who lost his like and his family who have to miss him :(
+ruddy123 I don’t understand why he couldn’t have just moved somewhere else or just ignored them. I don’t love loud music when I’m out and about myself, doesn’t mean I can take lives over it. I just stick to what I’m doing and only ever turn my own music up full blast when I’m alone on the highway. I only hope the boys’ family can one day find some peace. And the fiancé of that Dunn guy, poor lady was a mess probably blaming herself for it all.
Man I wish all cases had trial footage like this; such a nice flickering of perspectives from the witnesses testifying to the defendant to the people in attendance. Great analysis as always, thanks for the video!
When it comes to this case, I have to invoke Chris Rock talking about OJ Simpson ... "I'm not saying he should have killed her ... but I understand" 🤣 Let this video be a lesson to people ... Don't shoot at people for frivolous things like bumping music ... And don't bump your music ☝🏻
She is a good person with a good heart, did not lie for him. She knew what he did was wrong and followed her moral principles because she’s not hateful racist. I’m glad she got away from this man!
@first name i do believe it was slightly race influenced, maybe not intentional but i feel like some people are intimidated by people of color and act more hastily and aggressive when put in a "stressful" situation
@Mr. Alan considering i make music, you dont judge peoples music choice and base that on what you think their character will be. ive heard little scrawny nerds make the most aggressive dark music youve ever heard. But in actuality they were super nice and respectful, its just the kind of art they fell in love with, goes the same for people that listen to music rather than make it. It doesnt define their moral compass and if it makes you intimidated hearing "thug" (btw in this case im guessing it was someone like NBA YoungBoy, not oldies like tupac n biggie) music then you definetly have a touch of closeted racism in ya
@Mr. Alan homie said "menacing" how about they had it playing when they pulled into the GAS STATION where you will be inside only long enough to buy a snack? How about deal with someone else enjoying themselves for 2 minutes rather than being a psychopath who escalates that into murder
@Vexzi You say it's not race related, then describe a pre-conditioned assumption he had about black people (that they are agressive). Once these assumptions motivate behaviour, that is racism. Michael also did this because he thought, as a white man, that he would not be punished That shows he has s number of other race based assumptions about the worth and status of black people in society that he thinks everyone shares
@Jarosław Kaczyński Karl Marx was white wasn't he? A blimmin German. What genocide of white people anywhere ever? Your comment makes no worldly sense. I guess I'm just trying to determine if you're completely raving.
@Jarosław Kaczyński Nah. I'm good. So you know, your writing presents as a series of tag lines, probably from the far right, on themes that most people don't consider to be related. You need to explain a point rather than shoe horn in lots of headline statements about world events and ideologies because you are unintelligible and not making any point.
@Christopher Arnold she was drunk of her ass and didn’t want to be an accomplice. Then puts that little poor me act on when taking the stand. She didn’t sound too upset at interrogation. Got her own attorney to keep from going to jail herself as an accomplice. She’s as low as he is.
@David Diaz the same guys who say “what does race have to with anything?” Are the same guys that use dog whistles like thug and are the first ones to describe a person by nationality or skin color.
@mmdirtyworkz thug music doesn't have to have anything to do with colour. Ironically enough, to speculate that he did it because of race is racist on its own. His letters do confirm he's a racist but the story itself could simply be an act of rage and you could just perceive it to be racially motivated.
His actions are perceived correctly, no question about it. Sometimes what you see is exactly what you get. " Ironically enough, to speculate that he did it because of race is racist on its own." this is so stupid it almost gave me a Forest Whittaker eye.
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@Jules Asher bullshit. She’s a good actress. She didn’t call police either. She could’ve been an accomplice. She got her own lawyer. Put on her little pitiful poor me act and threw him under the bus. I don’t believe her and don’t feel a bit sorry for her. She wasn’t Ll wimpy sappy in the detective office. She’s full of it. I’d run far away from this trickster.
@Nandan Shetty not even the "thug music" comment, but also the, "...they're violent," and calling them "animals" (the ppl he was being isolated from in the beginning of this episode, which would be other black prisoners).
@Christopher Arnold for right or wrong, she clearly was submissive to him. Even in her conversations w/ him, she gives short, placating answers: "I know." "Right." They sound more like a question than agreemt, with that slightly upturned lilt showing she would like to say more. Note, she actually DOES at the point that he makes that comment about solitary confinement and being glad hes's not w/ those "animals." Well, the "animals" ftom which he was being protected, that would be angry w/ the situation, would mainly the other black people who knew what thoughts motivated his actions. It was the one time Rhonda DID stand up (and u could hear the disdain in her voice for him) saying, "Well, they probably aren't too thrilled about what's going on either... (paraphrased)."
What matters is that she came thru when she needed to. Testifying against him must have been heartbreaking. I deeply admire her for her courage.
(Besides, who knows that she wouldn't have reported him soon after they got home? They had just walked in when the police called. It really seems she would have called, esp. if it had gotten to the point where they were publicizing requests for info. She was probably just waiting until she could be home and he wasn't within her immediate vicinity. )
She did tell him that they need to leave once she saw it on the TV and knew it was him who shot the guys on the red car...but she is a good person ? how ? she fled with him after she know what happened.
@Ane Calvo so you think this wouldn't have happened if the victim was different color? Would it have happened if he was Chinese? Egyptian? Iranian? Brazilian? What is the qualification for his death?
I think this guy was looking for an excuse to shoot.
@mmdirtyworkz yeah he probably is racist, but him shooting someone that's black, and him not liking a certain genre of music isn't enough evidence to support that he's racist. He didn't say anything racial or had no racial motivation brought up in court or it would be a hate crime.
@Aleksandar Ivanov zero evidence??? really?? listen to the phone call at very beginning. he calls them violent. why does he think they are violent. because of how they looked.
@jack leonard that's you projecting an intent. That's not how proof works. You honestly can't think of absolutely no other reason, beside skin color there ? I would be inclined to call you r, for admitting you see everything through skin color alone and nothing else...
@jack leonard You are deflecting. When confronted with a question that would reveal a truth that refutes what you are saying, deflection is a typical dishonest reaction. You wouldn't deflect, if you were right.
@Tanielu Stowers I personally believe that each beginning letter of the Ten Commandments should be capitalized. Some writings capitalize every letter. That’s just me though.
I was stating that she obeyed God’s commandment if not bearing false witness. I respect her for that.
@laur Ok, so Iooked this up. It's a heavily disputed claim that is widely referred to as a conspiracy theory. First hit is (okay I know) Wikipedia https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_African_farm_attacks but I looked deeper. Happy to be wrong, but so far I don't think this is substantiated.
@Karla Shmeeda Vlasta It's not an insult to Germans. It's a British way of emphasising or re-enforcing something light-heartedly: E.g. "that is so blimmin expensive" or "blimmin marvellous" ... Or "blimmin heck."
I'm only about halfway through the video but literally nothing in this video is about race. Apart from the fact that he's white and the kids were black.
She was quite willing to date and plan to marry a racist, though...Idk. Just because she won't lie in court or to the police doesn't mean she's a stellar person.
Well to be honest it seems like she ignored his casual racism for years because she liked other stuff about him never realising how deep and serious it was. I wouldn't want to live with someone racist enough to say stuff like "thug music" myself and I'm white.
@*ᴥ* that's not the point, playing loud music is not against the law, the old man should have just minded his business and he wouldn't be in jail for the rest of his miserable life
I don’t understand why people just won’t show their pistols and not fire any bullets in order to prevent any deaths, if the situation worsens, they could fire their gun in self defence. If you could do a video on George Zimmerman that would be greatly appreciated
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Lise Godin2022-03-02 22:58:33 (edited 2022-03-02 22:59:54 )
I've been watching several of these cases and it's always the same story. What do average citizens do with firearms in their car or at home ? If that right to bear arms was abolished at last, there would be much less cases of that type
He was just 17 man, coming back from the mall. Probably thinking about fun things like what to wear prom and graduation. I can't count how many times I've been just like these kids at their age and played music stupidly loud with my friends while doing snack runs at convenience stores or gas stations. It breaks my heart that he isn't here because of a deranged trigger-happy racist loser. Rest in peace Jordan. I pray for continual healing for the family and friends.
@Shoujo Magic he is definitely violent and predjudiced, and i will have to go read the letters. Maybe i did not get the full picture from this video alone. Probably because the video did not bring race up very much, and focused more on narccissistic behavior, I didnt think race played that big of a part. sorry if i came off a little harsh!
@Ryuk Ya bro I think this guy has a big problem with black people. Seems like he has more than just ignorance and prejudice in his mind, but also maybe hatred or at least indifference in his heart too. Normal people don’t kill children and then cry because they can’t bring the new puppy to jail.
All Jordan was thinking about was getting some gum so that his breath didn't stink when he went back to the mall with Leland and Tevin. They were meeting up with Jordan's gf and her friends.
@Shoujo Magic I 100% believe if they were rich white kids he wouldn’t have made all those wild assumptions that they were violent thugs eager to kill him because he asked them to turn the music down.. from the moment she said he pulled up and said I hate this thug music I knew he was racist the way she said he said it gave me bad vibes
I thought the exact same thing... that was me at 16 with my best friends and honestly we still do the same thing now when everyone is home from school. We’re going on 22. I can’t even imagine - my heart breaks for Jordan and his family.
Oh God yes, I still love to tune up my radio and sing my lungs out. Don't want to die cause I love my Playlist...
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A Badran2022-01-22 05:58:12 (edited 2022-01-22 06:00:18 )
He clearly is, at best, a narcissist but more likely a psychopath. It's so easy to see when he talks about losing his expensive BnB, being proud of his fast draw, and seeing he was the "Victor". Saying that the kid is 17 mean absolutely nothing to him. His conscience is so very comfortable and guilt is something he never felt. BTW black interrogator... Nice touch! Right where it hurts.
@Ryuk I have to agree with the commenter. I am not one to just lightly throw labels around, but this guy Dunn is a racist, and not even a covert one. His bigger issue is his ego. The racism could potentially be corrected through education & actually expanding his mind, but his ego & narcissistic arrogance are likely only going to get worse the more he convinces himself (& attempts to convince others) that he is a victim being relentlessly persecuted by society. His own inability to hide his disdain for the victim(s) during the trial while on the stand is what I think put the final nail in his coffin & ultimately got the bastard convicted.
remember even though he was racist not all white people are racist and reverse racism is fake its just normal racism as racism means descrimination of any race. in the story him having a more negative bias is racist for them being black which means hes racist but same can apply to somone doing that because there white.
example: somone shoots white guy for being white
thats descrimination becuase there white and racist. (just like guy in story for black people)
The fact they’re young is no excuse for being entitled and selfish and bratty. Their parents clearly didn’t raise them properly. Shooting them was unjustified and abhorrent and shocking, but I’m sick of people using “they’re young” to excuse bad behaviour.
@_rhea.b_ there’s billions of people on this earth . We have to learn to coexist so if someone is doing something like playing loud music I park further from them cause I’m a cranky old geezer . I can’t dictate to them what to do with the music in their car. Our paths will only cross for a few seconds. Same with many other things that are minor inconveniences cause of different lifestyles and opinions etc . Live and let live . I have a pet peeve at people that spit in the street but I don’t go tap them on the shoulder and tell them to pick it up . It gets on my nerves but it’s cause I hate littering and spitting etc but another person has different values etc
I blast my music really loud with the windows down all the time, with or without my friends and no one has ever shown that they were bothered by it (they may have been, I don’t know). It’s normal as a young person having fun to do that kind of stuff. It’s so disgusting that just because of someone’s skin color they are automatically judged as being dangerous or lesser when acting normal.
@happynappyable “different lifestyles and opinions”. Being civilised and respectful and polite isn’t a different lifestyle or opinion, it’s what you expect from people in society. Clearly what this guy did was definitely not civilised either, but the fact he asked them to turn it down and they were purposely being confrontational, means that their parents didn’t teach them properly. Simple.
Agreed- these KIDS didn’t do anything wrong IMO but there’s people in society who are bat shit crazy. That’s why you can’t honk, can’t say anything to a stranger you just can’t. You never know.
@_rhea.b_ minding your own business is what would be ideal in these situations, strangers don't owe one to adhere to your standards thats the thing we're billions and all diverse in thought and so never sweat small stuff. Minding his business and not get worked up about normal teenager behaviour would ensure a happier life. He is the thug, there's nothing civilized or mature about how he interacted with them. I did things like playing loud music as a teen and it has no bearing to parents, teenagers behave differently when parents aren't around but the most import lesson is HE SHOULD HABE PARKED FURTHER IF IT BOTHERED HIM SO MUCH AND WENT ABOUT HIS OWN BUSINESS
Dude definitely over reacted, but thanks to “the right to bear arms”, a life was lost — thankfully to the driver’s lightning quick reaction, more lives weren’t lost.
@_rhea.b_ What's your excuse? Shaming people knowing a young innocent teen was gunned down for having a wise mouth. And "are you illiterate" is not a good comment either. If you're deliberately trying to piss people off with your rude unsolicited statements, you've succeeded. Congrats
@_rhea.b_ There was only one teen who made a wise comment. If you're going to shame everyone for not agreeing with you, get your facts straight and act your age. Your age and your upbringing are no excuse for being rude and disrespectful.
@_rhea.b_ if we're talking about people whose parents clearly failed them, how about the guy who shot up a car full of kids? who's more selfish and entitled, people playing their radio too loud or someone who kills over music they only have to hear for like five minutes, tops?
@Jd M yes and if you could read, you’d notice I said that the behaviour on BOTH sides was appalling, obviously more so this guy’s behaviour. But that doesn’t negate the fact that those kids were wrong for their behaviour as well. Just because one person’s behaviour is heinous, doesn’t mean that the other side should be exempt from criticism
@_rhea.b_ Then you wouldn’t be bashing a black 17 year old for listening to music in public, especially one who was murdered by someone who frequently expressed his disdain for black people. Let me ask you, do you interact with people often? Do you have a hard time navigating social situations?
@Devs lol I’m convinced that no one in these comments can read. Criticising their actions is not “bashing”, it’s pointing out flaws in their behaviour. “Listening to music in public”. They don’t own that land, they can’t just play their music as loud as they like with no regard for anyone else in the vicinity. If you think that’s ok then you weren’t raised properly either.
@_rhea.b_ Who said I was black? I’m just saying that it’s extremely weird to be bashing children for playing music, when these same children died because of a racist. You’d think the racist child murderer would be more deserving of all these comments, but apparently not to you, you feel the need to shine the light on the horrible actions of these savage teenagers, who played music in a car at a higher decibel than what Supreme Lord Mike Dunn seemed fit.
@_rhea.b_ I feel like the fact you felt you had to criticize the teens behavior in this situation that is so serious, that you thought that was the right thing to add to the conversation, is beyond disrespectful and tone deaf. In another conversation less serious than this one, sure criticize how teens are today but something as small as being rowdy ended a young persons life, they didn't get to go to prom, go to college, get married ,get kids. You cared more about bringing up how they acted then how their live was impacted. I as a teen myself am apauled that you would be, as an adult, so insensitive.
Cars have become the new coffins! This shi is so damn sad son. Those kids were just minding their business its not like they were sitting outside of his home with the music up. Dont ask me to turn my music down if your not paying this car note/insurance although i personally have common courtesy but he had no rights from jump!! He reacted purely out of hate for our people,im so glad his wife has a different heart its almost unbelievable they were an item watching her take the stand against him but now he can enjoy folks that look like me every single day now hell he may even have to sleep next to one of us every single night in his cellblock/dorm now thats karma mr racist 💯
At 45.30 I would be saying I have nothing more to say I want a lawyer. Why do they not used their rights and ask for a lawyer straight away? I think I know why. It is because they watched too many crime dramas where the person who asks for a lawyer is always the guilty party. It has been drummed into their heads that innocent people don't lawyer up. And this is why innocent people end up spending years and decades in prison convicted for a crime they didn't commit because they talked to police during an interview and they ended up having their words twisted and used against them. We all know witness testimony is unreliable at best and that we misremember things and order of events. The brain will even fill in gaps with memories that didn't happen.
Not saying the guy is innocent. He is clearly guilty of murder.
What the fuck did he think was going to happen? Seriously some people really have no capacity for long term consideration, which is the reason so many people are miserable.
One of my favorite traditions is watching JCS while snuggled up in bed with nice food. The commentary is just phenomenal and often points out the absurdity of the offenders' explanations, which just makes an otherwise disturbing cases more interesting and entertaining to watch. Have never missed one video!
I'm sorry for your loss. There's a hidden racist element to this guy A gas station trip literally lasts 5 min max. All he had to do was bear the music for 5 min
@Tony Arcieri No music, no matter how crass, no matter what the content is, has the capability to turn anyone into anything. Rap doesn’t create criminals, nor does Weird Al turn me into a comedian.
@SeanRaw_ So sorry for the loss of this young man. You’re right the interview and his jail calls to the wife are absolutely disgusting. This guy thinks he’s Batman for murdering a kid who’s music was too loud. I hope Jordan’s family is getting on the best as we can expect them to after this.
@Papi Mew acted tough? You mean to tell me you actually believe anything the guy in this video says? Did you also know the word gullible is written on the ceiling?
Thank you all for your kind words and positivity. Jordan was a popular guy back in school and it shocked all of us to find out on the news what happened to him. We’re all glad he got the justice he deserved.
@Melonie Ndebele or he could have chosen to go to the NEXT gas station if the music bothered him so much…he didn’t have to stop at that one. This guy gets what he deserves in prison.
So sorry brother. It's crazy when someone you have seen at school or in your life who unjustly loses their life to narcissists like this creature here.
Another guy who obviously wishes he was a commando saw some young kids jamming out in the parking lot while he’s feeling buzzed decided he was going to have target practice on the poor innocent kids boy I hope he gets his in jail prison whatever it is
I dont believe what the killer said. The other guys turn music so loud but the killer can gear all the words . Loud music n ur window up u can hear everything, tgat xar music loud before u park next to them so u just want to show them u r the power one not the. If he married his gf might be the victim one.
If it were 4 white kids blasting rock music he would have never demanded the music be turned down.. Hes a liar! Took a innocent 17yr old child life over music... anyone who truly believed they were thugs, never would of pulled next to them and then asked them to turn the music down.. who tf are you to tell them
He only had to sit in that car for a couple minutes and "endure" their music. Everything you need to know about him he said himself: he just wanted to shoot his gun, and was a racist. Rest in peace to that boy and I am sorry for the trauma inflicted on his surviving friends.
@Google User 1. He assumed they are thugs. He even said 'i hate that thug music'. 2. He assumed they will 100% have a gun because of how they looked. 3. He assumed police will believe him because of his privilege, and was in full shock when he was told that this is now a murder case. He just cared about his bed and breakfast. 4. He assumed he will get killed for having a verbal altercation because of their appearance. You don't have to say you hate blacks to be racist lol. Actions speak louder than words.
@S People that call other people racist when racism wasn't brought up in the first place, or clearly defined in anyone's intentions... Is in fact a racist. So, hello little racists.
@Google User and where is the statement of him saying he murdered the guy intentionally? There wasn’t one. He still got convicted because it’s too damn obvious. Idk what you’re trying to get at. If you can’t see the racism behind this, i don’t know what to tell you buddy.
@pagundaa I'm sorry, where was he found in court "guilty of racism beyond a reasonable doubt" by his peers? He wasn't. Your point is moot. He was guilty of murder and serving life in prison for it. What more could you ask for?
pagundaa — His sense of entitlement is out of this world...... He really didn’t think he was in too much trouble. They way he would just shrug when they were giving him facts and logic. He was basically like “yeah yeah okay, whatever. I already said I was scared so that should be the end of it”......
Racism is more often subtle , it doesn’t have to be clear cut. You take the totality of the evidence and use common sense. If you think only the people who call people the N word in front of the world are the only racist means that either you’re a fool.... or you think we are. Which is it?
@Google User He automatically saw them as a threat and thought they were "going to kill him". He saw them as a threat and even though HE provoked THEM, he was already thinking about his gun in his glove compartment as his "only choice" and was hyperaware of the kids in the back. He heard them say "fuck that bitch" and "fuck this and that" even though the kids didn't say that. He unloaded almost his entire clip even though they weren't even firing back or attacking him in any way. He heard that they wanted to kill him and instead of grabbing his fiance and leaving right away, he stayed and rolled his window down and asked "you talking to me?" Are you serious?? If he was scared, he would go inside and call the police or drive away and call his fiance to stay put in the store until he saw the kids left. Also, the way he glared at the black kids as they testified but then realized he had to control his facial expression and look remorseful, was just too evident. Also, why was he worried about his expensive breakfast? When I was almost shot at, I was shaken up for about 10 minutes. He was way too calm that entire time. He knew what he was doing. If you don't think this was racially motivated, you're blind or you're intentionally trying to be blind to it.
@GanjiStyle Interesting. All he did was ask them to turn the music down, and THEY became confrontational.
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Google User2020-09-30 19:04:45 (edited 2020-09-30 19:07:00 )
@GanjiStyle They ran their mouths and got loud with him. I can see his perceived threat. Not to mention, there was more than one of them against him. But he fired his gun illegally. Still not clear cut and defined racism though. Just because it's white vs black doesn't mean it's racist. Not everybody wants to go to a convenient store and hear that loud annoying ass rap trash. I don't blame him for telling them to shut the hell up. But he shouldn't have started shooting given the circumstances.
Google User listen to the call where he was speaking to Rhonda and kept calling them violent, that’s racial profiling, you’re way in over your head if you think someone has to say I’m racist to be racist. And yeah, I get your point that not everyone wants to listen to whatever music it was that was playing, but it’s a public parking spot, you’re there for what, maybe 10-15mins tops, ‘enduring’ that for a short amount of time is going to have no affect on your life whatsoever. Not to mention, the kid who died was 17, and he was doing the talking back, if you know anything about teenagers, most teenagers don’t like being told what to do. Again, listen to the beginning of this video, what he said WAS racist.
GanjiStyle he’s clearly not open-minded, there was literally no perceived threat there. Just because they were in a group doesn’t mean there’s a threat and if his brain works like that, he needs help before he does something irrational and ends up on this channel
@connie S So having a group of young males cussing you out because you asked them to turn down their loud/annoying music doesn't warrant an elevated perceived threat? Your threat level increases when there are multiples of potential assailants verbally attacking you. At that point, it is best to leave the area as quickly as possible and not to engage them. If they engage you violently, then by all means fight back. Which the suspect didn't exercise good judgment at that time, and it cost him his freedom and a 17 YOM's life. Totally stupid how both parties acted. This isn't a matter of race. This is a matter of two different parties acting completely stupid. If you cannot see it for what it really is, the problem cannot be addressed. It's easier to paint it with the broad brush of racism.
Google User do you go to a public restaurant ONE YOU DONT OWN and tel them to change the radio station cause you don’t like the music playing NO if you didn’t like it you’re best bet is to just leave. The restaurant isn’t at fault. Same with the young men who were in THEIR PROPERTY OF THEIR CAR.
Did you hear what the black cop said? He believed they would have shot him of they had a gun. Even he admitted they were thugs. Sorry about your emotional drivel for these "children". Many of these "children" are tried by this same "justice" system as adults. And you'd be at the top screaming that it's right they do so I bet.
@Google User covert racism is the cowardly prejudiced hateful issue at hand. It's not a defense to say they didn't explicitly bring it up, with that much prejudice and inappropriate response.
@Dáithi O'Cinnsealach how could that be so if they even admitted these kids didn't have a criminal record or even issues in school just say you racist and move on to you KKK meeting
@Flusterette He's still not an admitted or verifiable racist. At this point only he and God know the truth on that. But at face value, nobody can say if he did what he did as being racially motivated. He still shouldn't have done it.
@Google User lol I find it hard to believe that if it was a bunch of cranky white grannies hard of hearing with loud music playing, and picking up their cane (a barrel!) saying they'd kill him for daring to demand that Sinatra's crooning be turned down because big band was too annoying for him... That he'd have reacted how he did. Or a bunch of young women. Call it what you want, a collection of ageism, sexism/gender bias, racism... Nothing about how that went down was normal at all. And his lack of remorse for the human victim, and his constant insistence that he thought he was under attack... I feel ya. But that's just a fact of what covert racism is like. It's undeniably a factor. None of them were the thugs he presumed. So at most we can assure he's prejudiced towards what he thinks thugs are... Apparently black young males with loud music and attitudes. He was blind at that point. Even admits not remembering the Durango moving. The word thugs is even very racially charged now. But yeah he didn't explicitly state it, and in fact denied it. I'm not saying it's even fully a conscious thing on his end. But he is prejudiced and unfeeling. And I strongly feel race plays a role.
@Mikayla Brown Yeah, I heard that later on. Now you are assuming I'm racist when I was just repeating what the black cop said. Maybe he was lying to the suspect. Cops have a bad habit of that no matter their colour it seems.
David Kinsella no it’s not him lying it’s them doing whatever they can to get the truth you only feel this way because it’s a black officer had it been a white man you woulda said it’s his job. You made a judgment off the kids after being ignorant and not getting the full information
@Mikayla Brown I was simply going off what the guy said. How was I to know he was lying? I should have guessed as these interviews show you should never trust a cop, no matter the colour. He will pretend to be on your side to try make you incriminate yourself. Guilty or not.
You are now doing the very thing to me you accuse me of doing. Desperate to make me out to be a racist. Judging me without having full information.
Google User What did you wanted to hear him say? “I, Michael Dunn, hate blacks with all my being” That’s not how racism works buddy, you don’t need to explicitly say you hate someone, his actions speak for itself.
Google User Dude what? “How is he racist”. If I openly discriminate and hold prejudice against a certain race of people based solely of the color of their skin, but then I say “I’m not a racist”, does that mean I’m not racist?
Google User read my reply again you intellectual human being, he’s a teenager. that is how teenagers and as he puts it ‘KIDS’ would react. I don’t know if you have a normal household or what, but my 16 year old sister reacts the same when I tell her off and it is completely normal, they learn as they grow up. He called them savages because of HIS race, it’s a clear cut inference, man. Come on.
Google User and then not being sorry about a seventeen year old child being dead? that would make sense because he’s a racist and he didn’t value his life in the first place.
@Google User "Where is his statement of disliking black folk?" His actions and behaviors speak louder than words. I mean, in this interview look at his reaction the first time the black cop questions one of his comments....
@Google User nah he was definitely internally racist. I see your perspective but it’s just an educated inference that he was in fact racist due to his diction and the way in which he described these children. Myself and multiple other people knew the race of the children before they were shown simply by the way he spoke of them. Because we are educated on how people of color are stereotyped as “thugs”. It’s a sad world. And you should be able to view that he was racially profiling these children. A little education goes a long way. Black lives will ALWAYS and have ALWAYS mattered. People like you just don’t realize how the system degrades people simply because of the color of their skin.
@Google User he doesn't have to say he was racist or explicitly say he hates black people, because he saw a car full of black kids, assumed they were thugs and assumed they had guns with no proof, and murdered one of them. that's as racist as it gets
@Admiral Kipper Racism, bigotry and having prejudices aren't illegal. It's not right, but it's not illegal. But this guy isn't a racist. He didn't single dude out because he was black. He singled him out because he thought his music was stupid and obnoxious. And I don't disagree with people blasting annoying ass rap music loud as hell being a pain in the ass. But he shouldn't have lashed out and then fabricated a story to cover up what he did. The fact that he didn't call 9-11 immediately after the fact, or after getting a block or so away shows he knew what he did was wrong.
@Alex Crowley Without facts, it sounds like you're profiling this man just because he was an older white man. That's racist. You're racist. Not because of any facts, but just because I feel like saying it because "it feels good" to say. That is what you people sound like.
@Google User Google user, if you don't think any of the interactions were racially charged, with such statements like "I hate that thug music" and other, then you are a peabrained lost cause, and you are beyond help.
@Google User plus he literally shows zero remorse at all i mean what more do you need? something is clearly wrong, i don't think it's a reach of a conclusion to come to that he might be racist.
Everyone who's white or that disagrees with me is racist
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Google User2020-10-22 11:06:45 (edited 2020-10-22 11:16:17 )
@Alex Crowley If you watch the entire thing over again, you will find the type of music he was listening to is exactly as I stated before. By the way, just type in "thug music" into youtube - it's doesnt bring up the playlist for Sesame Street... You're a race baiter. Next!
@SabotPottery lol you couldn't be more wrong about your statement. White privilege? What's that? The right to get off my ass and make an honest living working 60 hours a week for what I have and pay taxes? If THAT is white privilege, then yes, I have it. Sig is better than Glock, by the way.
@Google User no, while i didn't read all of your comments i did see you say it was shitty and i was simply stating my opinion on the main argument here. in what way am i race baiting lol?
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Alex Crowley2020-10-22 16:47:15 (edited 2020-10-22 16:51:36 )
@Google User Glad I saw your playlists before you hid your content, you had tons of Country thug music, for example; a song literally with Meth Lab in its name haha
@Google User actually, he answered your question like multiple times but it’s easy to not see something you aren’t looking for or even accepting as a possibility I guess.
To me music is not a problem if you're here in the words you know and maybe don't like the words but it's the woofers it's the base speakers that vibrate and boom into your brain these speakers these noise can cause people to have a seizures it causes anxiety it causes your heart rate to go up it's not funny. To me the only purpose of having woofers in your car or best speakers the vibrate are exactly to annoy people or there's another scenario they're showing off to you know the guys are flexing their muscles I got bigger better louder speakers than you that's another one. I tell you listen to that long enough and interferes with your daily life it provokes you it it's very vexing. Juss sayin 🙉🤯
I love how they use the white cop to get him comfortable enough to talk in the interrogation and the black cop to press him on the issues with his story. I feel so bad for the innocent 17 year old Jordan who got killed over some music. He’s so unremorseful it’s satisfying to see him give damning statements to this man. Glad he’s got life in prison, justice was served as much as it could be in this case
Yeah it's a horrible situation. Truly, he showed no remorse or concern for the victim or the other kids he almost killed. I also feel bad for Jordan's family, he was brutally killed for no good reason.
Agreed! During Rhonda’s testimony I can tell that with each conflicting answer she gives against Dunn’s story she’ll never see the man that she loves again and with each one of her answers his conviction becomes stronger. I feel bad for her because her life changed overnight but she’ll get over it. Jordan’s family on the other hand I can’t imagine the pain, sorrow and anger that they must feel. Justice was served but complete justice would include getting their son back. Very sadly that’s impossible. They will have to live with the loss of their son for the rest of their lives. It’s so very sad. Dunn however, he’s a remorseless piece of garbage and he’s exactly where he needs to be.
I also liked how the black cop wasn’t buying the bullshit. At a certain point, I was getting annoyed this guy seriously thought we’re all supposed to placate his delusions of inventing nonexistent shotgun barrels to justify shooting children. The black guy just straight up slaps him with “was it your imagination?”
At one point, the black cop just facepalms in complete awe... I’m sure he’s got kids of his own and it’s his worst nightmare.
That black cop is ready to jump in and wants to rip him a new one, but these detectives know how to handle this. You can’t see his face and can totally feel his emotion!
I can't even imagine starting a argument over loud music in a place where I will most likely spend 5 minutes or less. It seems like he was just in a mood for trouble so he found it
Octoboobs exactly!!!! You gonna be there for a hot sec...it ain’t like it’s the upstairs neighbor! He wanted to be a tough guy!! I hope he got that same energy in prison! 🤣🤣😩😩🤣🤣🤣
Rich - yep. His son probably didn’t even want him at the wedding (notice he never spoke in defense of his dad), and at the event dunn observed his ex with a new and better man than he, which triggered his fragile ego. He left the wedding early ‘cause he was in an emotional rage, and he took it out on the poor kids within minutes.
What a pointless argument, it’s basically the copy paste of every road rage attacks. I mean I don’t like loud music, especially hip hop, but I will never get in argument about something so pointless and so related to my perception. If I’m waiting for the green at the traffic light, with my windows all rolled down because it’s hot, and someone’s near or back of my car, doesn’t like rock or metal music there’s no argument, if the people are there in the queue waiting for the green, because everyone is focused on getting the green light and go by their own way. I use normal volume otherwise, I can’t hear outside noises while driving, which is dangerous. If I have a migraine and someone is listening to music in a parking lot, I’m not even bothering to go to complain to the people in the car, I will buy the things that I need in the shop and then drive away, simple as that. If someone is searching for trouble to take out its own personal and behavioral problems, deciding to vent out the rage violently, there’s no logical need of a specific situation, every insignificant moment is a possibility to vent out, and having the adrenaline rush by using violence, no reason is needed to start this behavior. The individual is just a time bomb waiting to explode on something/someone at random.
True. Your son just got married, you had a couple drinks, your headed home to your puppy with your fiancé for a nice night. Why not just let someone enjoy their music and go on with your night?
I can't imagine the kind of hate that prompts you to shoot a group of teenagers you don't know because you don't like their music. Also on your kid's wedding day? He seriously could have just dealt with it until one of them left the parking lot in like two minutes. Then he still has the confidence to brag about it and call himself the victim. He shot at them TEN TIMES. Over MUSIC. I'm speechless. This is ridiculous.
When you were 16 did you ever threaten some guy you didn't know because he didn't like your loud music? You didn't, because you had respect for other people and you knew there was crazy people around like this old man that could pull a gun and do something stupid. So you didn't play stupid games to win stupid prizes6
Okay, there seems to be a misunderstanding here. I know there was a vocal altercation. The whole thing was started by the music, and the argument was inconsequential. He still shouldn't have shot. Also, teens are stupid. I know a ton of people who play their music too loud and get offended when you ask them to turn it down. They don't get shot at because shooting at someone over that is ridiculous. I'm not saying it's cool to blast your music and argue with people, just that nobody deserves to be shot over it.
@TheFangirlOtaku no disagreement here from me. The guy was on whisky and angry and stupid. But if you go around poking your head in a bears den looking for trouble it will find you. Every teenager should be wary of being so brave around people they don't know. They need to be educated by their parents.
For sure. Anyone judging her is ridiculous. I'm sure she was low key scared for her life. Imagine someone you are engaged too shoots and kills someone just because of loud music. She probably realized he has a terrible violent temper and is capable of doing that to anyone
Tom shock. When I found out my friend had died- I cried and then slept. When I found out I had cancer I just sat there and was asleep within 30 minutes. When my aunt died I was asleep quickly. I normally take about 2-4 hours to sleep. It’s shock and grief.
@Koke Garcia she's lying yet everything I saw her say seemed to be in line with the truth despite most of it being terrible for her fiances case. Care to elaborate?
Damn a lot of assholes here saying how she should of done this or that. I don’t think anyone can say what they would do until they have actually been in that situation.
@Troispoint this implies you have never been a victim of a narcissist.
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How devastating for the poor kid that was killed and his friends. I don’t have any empathy for sweet and kind enablers of violet racists. Edit: violent
@Tyler Gay never did I say she lied, if anything she is taking this whole affair as an opportunity to get rid of him (surely assured by her legal counsel that there is no chance he'd be getting out of prison). Deceitful and cowardly in the sense that she was complicit in covering the whole issue as if your partner shooting up cars at a gas station was an ordinary occurrence yet throwing him under the bus the minute police came knocking on the door! as well as her fake, affected little girl voice and mannerisms in the courtroom as opposed to her tone during the police investigation (with the exception when she "cried"). But then again... just my two cents!
@Cait L. I think you hit the nail on the head. Down to run with the big bad dogs till the tiniest thing happens and start shaking like a chihuahua yapping about everything
Some of y'all got empty nest syndrome or something. You just see someone sniffling and shaking and you automatically go "aWhHh PoOr ThInG" Obviously shes not guilty of any crime aside from the drinking and driving but she's not totally innocent. And her being so sensitive and being so effected and traumitized by the incident doesnt change her role in the whole thing. You can criticize and analyze what happened. She objectively did some wrong things and objectively shouldve done other things. Regardless, she didn't kill or hurt anyone and this piece of shit did. Which is why she walked away and hes serving life in prison
I kind of feel bad for her. At the same time I wonder why after the shock wore off she didn’t realize that him firing shots over loud music (remember, she didn’t yet know anyone was dead) was a sign she needed to get out NOW. I don’t think she’s being fake, but I think she tends to bury her head in the sand. In the end, I might feel bad for her to an extent, I’m reserving the bulk of my sympathy for Jordan’s family.
Jorge Peleteiro so if she didn’t emote feelings of stress and emotional Pain- she wouldn’t be deceitful?
Everyone reacts to situations differently. The only thing u have to go by is this video, in terms of believing you fully know who she is, how she thinks, and how she is supposed To act.
There are a good number of other more significant points and themes that I fee deserve primary address other than speculating to know what she is thinking and feeing apposed to what YOU feel she should be thinking and feeling.
@Nobody Matters yep... you dont enable a narcissist, you withstand them... and they manipulate you like im certain he did to her. if you show even the slightest bit of weakness they use that and use yourself as a weapon against yourself.
Phookie Phook yeah it’s a shame that you make the assumption that none of us have I called the police and if I hadn’t I’d be sitting in Leavenworth right now she should have called 911 if anything to just check on the injured party or to report a shooting “in self defense “
Felt terrible for her. And of course the victim and his friends. I always tell my son to be careful in public, because you never know who's unhinged and who isn't.
But yes, this scumbag destroyed several lives that day.
@Koke Garcia and Cait L. Can you guys enlighten me on something, please? Why is it that the only folks who ever hear these alleged "dog whistles" are the people who purport to be anti-racist? Really makes you think. 🤔
Brittany L. Coley ——-‘Brave enough to tell the truth’?? She saw those guys shot & because of the ‘look’ her fiancée gives her, she doesn’t call 911, she doesn’t stay to help......she has to get to her puppy. Any NORMAL person wouldn’t get in the car after that trauma, worrying about a puppy. Rhonda lived w/this but, which means she’s twisted in the same way but her ‘acting out’ is passive.
@Rob Banks The same could be said of your argument, perception!. I'm sure you also question people's motives and intentions on a daily basis based on the way they communicate and emote their feelings... it's only human nature!. You just choose to ride the fence in this case and take the opportunity to lecture from a high horse.
Yeah she told the truth, but the way she was this quivering mess set my bullshit detectors off. I don't think she felt nearly as bad as she portrays. I think she felt 'inconvenienced' and doesn't want to be perceived negatively by the public.
All the armchair psychologists throwing Rhonda under the bus are telling quite an interesting story, too bad it doesn’t fit with the facts. Go back and listen to the call in the intro, she clearly doesn’t agree with him and tries to shut down the conversation when he goes on and on about himself being the victim. She tells the truth to the cops even when she realizes it’s bad for him. She wasn’t even with him when the shooting went down and she didn’t see it from inside the store, WTF is she supposed to do when the person she planned to spend the rest of her life lies to her about the details. The one thing I think she could have done different is to call the cops immediately but, then again, she trusted the word of her fiancé in the absence seeing the altercation herself. All this nonsense about her being complicit is a bunch of baloney. This guy is a total jerk, a liar, and a murderer but that doesn’t automatically make her bad too, it just means she made a bad choice in partners which all us (myself included) have done once or twice.
^In my opinion, this is the most damning evidence that Michael Dunn never feared for his life. That quote tells us clearly that he just lost his shit when a black person didn't give him the respect he felt he was owed.
@Juaquin Murrietta @Nathan Levine wasn’t commenting on whether or not this guy should have killed anyone. He said that he killed the boy because the boy is black, which is glaringly obvious. And it does have something to do with it. It’s the reason why this guy killed someone. That’s one of the first questions families ask about someone who murdered a family member, “why did they do it?”
@Juaquin Murrietta He clearly held the opinion that black people are inherently violent, as he assumed that they were extremely hostile, had a shotgun, and assumed they were thugs. Sure he didn't shoot them specifically because they had some melanin in their skin, but it is 100% about race.
The thing that is scary is that I don't even think they them being black was the biggest factor, the dudes a huge racist but I think his anger and narcissism would had lead to an event like this eventually
@Juaquin Murrietta most people associate thug music with rap and hip hop, and these genres are associated with black people. I highly doubt Michael Dunn is a person who thinks of thug music as anything that isn't rap or hip hop.
@Snoop "Sometimes people use "respect" to mean "treating someone like a person" and sometimes to mean "treating someone like an authority" For some, "if you don't respect me, I won't respect you" means "if you don't treat me like an authority, I won't treat you like a person"
@Juaquin Murrietta the fact you keep poking at people to explain what race has to do with it, is a you problem. Just because you don’t see the obvious fact the man’s actions were fueled by his racist thought process, doesn’t mean it’s not there, it just means that you don’t understand.
@Cady still yet no one has explained to me where the racial motivation is… someone said “thug music” but as far as I know every race on planet earth has rap and thug music. So I don’t know how it can be racially charged when there’s no evidence to back it up.
@Juaquin Murrietta the thug music comment is a dog whistle. The whole point is that there’s the plausible deniability. When someone points the dog whistle out no one else knows what they’re talking about apart from a select few (usually those who hold the same beliefs). This allows whoever is using the dog whistle to deny holding whatever belief they’re being accused of holding while making the person pointing it out look crazy.
The idea that black people (mainly black men) are thugs has historical roots in racism, hence the use of the word thug. Since rap specifically has a lot of black men who both make it and listen to it it’s “thug music”.
His character and ability to murder someone like this tells me he would have done this to anyone who angered him enough at that moment in time, regardless of colour. There are a lot of grumpy old men who get enraged over kids playing their music really loud, or even playing on skateboards or bikes. I had something similar as a youth and I’m a white female (only difference is, me and my mates weren’t shot) but we were accused of listening to bad music and looked at like we were scum … I’m 40 now and went through phases of listening to some pretty hard and heavy music with some shocking lyrics so I am not surprised the oldies were disgusted by it. I remember my mother saying “why are you listening to that rude druggie stuff that criminals listen to?” - and I repeat: I am white, not black. These old people say “thug music” because they genuinely think it is gang / criminal music, no matter what skin colour you have… they don’t realise kids are just kids and just because they listen to that music and they swear and use the F word, it doesn’t mean they are bad or dangerous criminals! I went through a massive Marilyn Manson phase and back in those days people thought I was a satanist lol. Nothing could be further from the truth - but this is what the older generation thought of me and my buddies. Of course, his opinions do not give him an excuse - that’s why he’s saying “they threatened my life” - which is obviously not true. The truth is, he’s a murderer, he’s aggressive, angry, narcissistic and self righteous and basically projecting his bad character into those boys. And as much as I wouldn’t blast music like I used to 15 years ago, that doesn’t mean I expect anything less from teenagers nowadays. Teenagers DO annoy me a bit now I am older, but I always remember I was once a teenager myself. Of course they answer back and swear and play loud music - that’s what teens do. As adults we just have to be understanding and patient. This man wasn’t scared for his life at all. He knew they were just being cocky arrogant teens - which isn’t a crime. He thought he was better than them and he was already enraged over their music and when they then dared challenge him and answered back it tipped his rage over the edge and he then fired the rounds - this crime was an anger rage crime, it was impulsive and not a racially driven crime (in my opinion) and i can guarantee he has always been a liar, a manipulator and a bully and he’d have done it to me and my mates too.
I agree. Justice was served but that innocent teenager died for no reason and that’s the tragedy in all of this.
Lesson? I don’t know. You cannot trust or expect strangers to react rationally u under any circumstances. Avoid confrontation and practice patience when dealing with sick twisted people for the sake of your life.
@Snoop Are you serious? ?? Of course not.. You can not and should not respect everyone. That would be like committing suicide... e.g. why would I respect someone who tortures animals.. respect to all the rapists.. respect all the murderers.. were you joking? What a stupid comment.
"I don't know how many kids were in that but the windows were down" All over music. What a sad story for all involved. Entire lives will be different. Imagine if he had never bought a gun, that type of man probably wouldn't even of mentioned the music to them. He was a "I have a gun so I'm a tough guy" type of guy. The worst kind. Cowards. That man could of done a million other things then shoot to kill and try to play victim.
@Juaquin Murrietta Not someone. The murderer said "thug music." He referred to the victims as violent, despite the fact that they did nothing violent to him. It was absolutely racially motivated, everyone knows it, including you, and your bad-faith mental gymnastics do absolutely nothing to cast doubt on that. Even your original comment is very telling, "He shouldn't be killing anyone period." This would be relevant if he'd killed lots of people of all different races, but he didn't.
The people he pulled a gun on and shot at were black. The fact that he isn't getting into conflicts like this with people of all races, only black people, should make it clear that his problem was their race. You can talk like you don't see color or all lives matter or whatever other nonsense you want to say, but you're just trying to cover up racism and act like it's not happening.
Yes, killing people, any people of any kind, is bad. In this situation, though, the conflict happened because the attacker had a problem with black people. If it were some good old country boys sitting in a pickup truck blasting Tim McGraw, he would have had no issue with them. He was suspicious of them and ready to attack them because of their racial identity. Another witness said he didn't park next to them because he didn't want to deal with the loud music. This guy picked the spot next to them because he wanted an excuse to use his gun on black people.
@Shaurmiath still no where does thug music imply any race 😭 all that jib-jab you just spewed out doesn’t apply to this situation he never mentioned their race. So everyone cant jump to conclusions saying it was racially charged. All an Inference. Which is you drew the conclusion of racial because that’s what you chose to see and make it out to be. All I’m going off of is facts. That facts are that he murdered an innocent man and you can prove anything was racially tied.
@Juaquin Murrietta in his letters he said “blacks seem to be calling the shots” and “the whites who live in Jacksonville know how the blacks behave” if you want to read his letters You could see it more clearly. But in regards to what you heared, calling the black men violent and thug without any apparent reason other than music is most likely due to race.
@Juaquin Murrietta You're really going through some contortions to pretend race didn't factor into it. Thug music ABSOLUTELY, 100%, without a doubt implies race to anyone who uses it. He didn't have to scream "this is because you are black" while opening fire for everyone to be able to tell that it was about race. Just because you refuse to see it doesn't mean that we're jumping to conclusions, you clown.
And when you say "all that jib-jab you spewed doesn't apply," that just tells me you didn't read it. Don't try to have discussions if you don't actually want to consider what others say.
@Shaurmiath let me weigh in here and state that Dunn is demonstrably racist and also that rap IS thug music. Gang bangers aren't riding around listening to Beethoven or Radiohead. Just because people that aren't thugs listen to rap does not preclude it from being the unofficial genre of thugs. Not to mention the lyrical content is often about violent and abusive themes.
That all said, Dunn's racism made him perceive these kids as a threat, and that's why he shot.
@Jarrad Pechie Honestly, I agree with what you're saying. That was more or less my point. The person I was replying to was insinuating that "thug music" could mean anything, and I was insisting that he knew exactly what it meant.
@Floyd Abrams Did Tupac say he hated "that thug music" when black people were listening to rap in a vehicle near him? No? Maybe drop the stupid bad faith arguments, then.
@Juaquin Murrietta He called them "thugs" and called them aggressive, typically people who do these things (shoot at black people) say this type of stuff to cover ip for racism and the assumption that all black people are "thugs". His death was one that the BLM movement also gave alot of coverage causing it to be synonymous with unnecessary violence to unarmed black people.
@Nanox19435 normally I try and see the good in people....I belive most ppl are not racist. Most people do not let someone's race, gender, etc effect how they see someone. But hearing michael Dunn say "what do you expect?? They're violent" when talking to his fiancé....that absolutely shows me he was being prejudice and judging based on race. This man thought claiming self defense gives you an out on shooting someone you had an altercation with. He was pissed they didn't back down, knowing he had his gun gave him bigger balls, and he was wanting to have an excuse to shoot his gun and use his ccw This should not be what people think of people who lawfully carry....my husband, a disabled marine veteran carries everywhere....he hopes he NEVER has to use it, he says he is even less likely to confront people bc he really doesn't ever want to have to use our line of defense. It's not a weapon to teach people a lesson....its a last line of defense when you or a loved one's life is in danger.
For people to also say he was calling black people violent. He wasn’t and never said that. He was trying to create a fake story in which he was being threatened for his life by another person. Never in any sort of instance did he say black people were violent.
True. I think his argument was that it was self defense, this didn't seem to hold water as the defendant had no reason to believe his life was in any danger.
I am no pro on Florida law here, but I find it incredible that the prosecution was able to secure a 1st degree murder conviction on him. I just don't see how this is first degree murder in any way, he didn't plan on running into these particular people at this particular gas station. So I just don't know how this was 1st degree murder, 2nd degree? Maybe... 1st degree? No. Anyways the guy is a piece of shit and with all the other convictions he wasn't ever going to get out anyways. But still, scary that a jury found him guilty of a charge that he ABSOLUTELY did not commit, simply because there was no other homicide charges filed by the DA.
@thenerdnetwork Also not a lawyer, but my understanding of the first-degree is that premeditation can be basically instant; it doesn't have to be a drawn-out process. First degree is apparently defined by "willfulness" (intent to kill at least a person, even if it isn't specific), "deliberation" (awareness of consequences and choice to do so regardless, and not provoked on equivalent scale), and "premeditated" (considered beforehand, which to quote the website I'm looking at, "can be as simple as seeing a weapon nearby and using it to commit the act").
On those grounds, I can see how this can be argued into first degree, even if-- as little leeway as this shitstain deserves-- he probably wasn't specifically aiming to kill someone, he just wasn't sorry about doing it. He willfully fired that gun at people, deliberately aiming at them; he had an awareness of what the consequences of that action could be, and despite his flimsy claims of self-defense was not sufficiently provoked to retaliate with gunfire; he sat in the car and thought about it for at least long enough to pull the gun out and (probably) switch off the safety before he fired, and long enough to reload/re-aim/whatever between volleys.
On those grounds, with premeditation not having a set time minimum-- yeah, it does qualify as first-degree. He made a conscious choice, with the time to think about it, to fatally endanger other lives while being fully aware of the potential consequences of his actions.
Racists are delusional... Withing the first minute of this video he not only highlights his prejudice but also dehumanizes a group of people. He thinks Black people are animals, that's what he believes, so in his mind, he truly is thinking "what's the big deal, I go deer hunting all the time! This isn't murder"
He wanted his fiancé to lie for him. That’s why he calls her and says, I was a victim. He is a narcissist and I wonder what he was saying to her on the way back to the hotel and on the way home. She didn’t lie for him and it’s clear that she feared him. Lying and perjuring yourself is wrong, but I wonder if she would have lied for someone who was really a nice person who made a mistake, but wasn’t harming her in any way. 🤔 I bet he terrorized her. Not one tear for that poor young boy who had his whole life ahead of him. An innocent who talked back like a lot of teenagers do.
Linda Ann Quiles, you're exactly right....Deep down, she was probably elated to tell the truth and put him away... Could've truly been an escape out of an abusive relationship. Who knows....🤷🏿♂️🤔
He is far worse than just a narciccist he's also a psychopath, no remorse, no way if thinking,
I was myself raised by a narciccist and I'm glad I'm away from him,
From personal experience
Shame on the dude, I just hope he rots in jail, and doesn't get out. But unfortunately these killers find ways to get out, from bribing to escape. It's really disgusting, reminds me of this dude that killed a bunch of people and is getting out this year, they have it to easy, they always say without parole and then they still get parole.
I’m black and I’m from Memphis, but I believe him. Lil bro was capping, rapping the words to the song trying to intimidate the old white man. You gotta watch your words before they cost you💯
Exactly! A 17 year old kid?!? And I'd be like outraged that I had such deeply ingrained racism that in a moment like that I was a total piece of shit and murdered a young man cause I imagined he had a shotgun. But nah this dude doubled down on his inherent American white supremacy and tried to say he was defending himself from a careful of teenagers baking away in fear. Rot in hell my guy! You won't be missed.
Back to the that-one-time-I-accidentally-squished-a-turtle-with-my-car thing...I practically lost my mind with grief and guilt. If that had been a person? Holy cow.
@Kornelija Earthling I think another issue is that he was drunk and obviously not think straight. I have never been drunk myself but I imagine it has some sort of thought impairing effect. The fact that he himself has gun in his car likely makes him more likely to assume others do too.
@Bigman Dogs But the point is, when he sobered up and realized that he had killed an unarmed teenager, he should have been a wreck. Instead, he doubled down on his actions. That's pretty heartless.
@Bigman Dogs I've been every level of drunk except dead and I never actually shot someone, puked on someone but didn't shoot em so idk but it sounds fishy
@fooflateka I’m french actually lol. But considering you keep dragging politics into this matter I’m guessing you’re American. Nothing more ‘murican than politicizing peoples existences at every turn.
Ditto. I'd be a mess. I can't even hurt a fly. 🥺 And this guy sitting in court just casually throwing it aside. Even if I was justified to take a life, I'd take years to overcome that. This guy. Zero. Remorse.
@fooflateka yeah because the car doubled back to call for 911 after Michael Dunn left. There was never a weapon found in the teenagers car, none of the teenagers had a criminal record. Didn’t you watch the doc?
How traumatizing for those boys in that car. Watching their friend bleed out after running for their lives. Over music. I can’t imagine the flashbacks they have
I was thinking about his mother, what if she had other kids, I know I would be too scared for my other kids life to let them go hang out with friends after that.
@Not Sure please play devil’s advocate somewhere else. If he was being advanced, he wouldn’t need to shoot THROUGH a car door to effectively hit the person ‘advancing’ him.
@Nichole Brown Sure he would. If that person was behind the door and there was probability that he was armed (which there was - remember only perception matters here), then he would need to shoot through the door and window to hit the assailant. I'm not playing Devil's advocate, I'm playing victim's advocate.
@Not Sure you’re advocating for the unarmed boy shot at 3 times through a car door and 4 times while fleeing, by saying someone PERCEIVED him as dangerous? Lmao right. If I perceive you as a heartless psychopath and therefore dangerous, do I get permission to take you out bc I don’t like your words?
@Not Sure No I don’t. Which is why the real victim here is unfortunately dead. Your brother in arms is deservingly in jail for murder. Send him a few letters sympathizing with him instead of caping for him on YouTube.
@Not Sure This literally makes zero sense? self defense isn’t killing anyone you perceive as a threat, in that case someone with anxiety could kill just about every person they come across. It’s about whether or not said person was an actual threat, which they weren’t. Simple. And also….you’re wrong. “Perception” isn’t the only thing that matters here, which is why he’s in jail and not the people who did nothing wrong. I’d suggest you read up on self defense precedent, but you’ve proven to be incapable of basic critical thinking skills. There’s no way you can read law.
@Lemonworm No, it proves he didn't get past the door. That's not the beginning of the process. It was never argued that the process was completed. That's the point of suppressive fire. To hinder that process. It's beautiful and virtuous to be racist.
@Not Sure how far has racism gotten you?? Can’t be too virtuous if you’re online trying to make people upset. Does the unfulfilling job and empty bed and racism keep you warm at night while you think about all the people in life you haven’t been good enough for?
@Not Sure you needed racism to help you respect yourself? Yikes. Explains why you’re forced to show small pieces to yourself to different women for willful companionship.
@Nichole Brown It has lead to violence an uncountable amount of times. I'm not supporting the shooter by the way. What he did was probably motivated by racism and ego, and it was murder straight up.
@Chris Prescott so why does the straight up racially motivated murder need to result in the teenagers learning a lesson? When their murder was unwarranted and racist? Lol do you not hear yourself.
@Nichole Brown Well I can tell you for a fact that Dunn didnt learn anything. He thinks hes the victim. Did you know that both sides can learn lessons from situations that they end up in? What a concept.
@Chris Prescott is that what you said in your OP? Or did you say bet those boys still blast their music, as if music is why they were killed & not an unhinged racist. THEN you doubled down and said violence happens all the time bc of music. Then you realized you were blaming the victims and said but but ‘Dunn didn’t learn anything either!’ Lmao okay Chris! I’ll go argue with the real racists of the world not the passive ones
@Will Richert your Saturday night suck that much you’d rather be hateful towards teens you never met? Very sad. Hope your heart flutters when you get this notification thinking it’s someone that enjoys you just for you to realize it’s another person telling you how worthless you are. Have a great night!
@Nichole Brown im not here to fight with anyone im just saying yes people have been killed several times for things like loud music , were i live there was a case of someone who got stabbed in the eye and died there over a parking spot is messed up but not rare at all
@Shaggy G I’m not talking about ‘things like loud music’. If you can’t quickly find 10 different cases of people being murdered specifically for playing loud music in their car on public property in the last 5 years then it’s rare. But regardless that’s a very weird & pointless thing for you to want to point out. Out of all the comments above that’s what you want to disprove lol k
Honestly I think he was in fear for his life but it was an irrational, over-reaction drunken fear. I do think the teen in the back was probably being an ass and was singing/rapping along to whatever the song was. The victim didn't help himself out but this guy shouldn't have even been driving after he had so much to drink. The kid didn't deserve to die but he thought someone wasn't gonna defend himself after he threaten him. (Though I think the original threat was actually music lyrics)
Scared, anxious, shaking, nervous, confused, and not in control of her emotions. Yet, not a single nerve of her righteousness ever falters. Courage my friends, in its truest form.
Come on man, you know the 3rd leading cause of death in America are militant car doors. A trunk lid killed my chihuahua, damn hyper violently exterior car designs.
He was a kid, he didn't deserve to get killed. You have never complained?? EVERYONE COMPLAINS!!!! What kind of sick person thinks someone deserves to die over music. I hope you don't have any kids you are a terrible person. He was just a kid and there could have been more deaths since he just unloaded his gun like a cold blooded murderer.
Robbie Ezc okay, how is murdering a teenage boy for being rude over loud music “logical”? And why are you putting “humanity” in quotations? What does that mean? Do you feel like you’re above humanity?
Robbie Ezc Even if we were to disregard the value of that boy’s life, the man still murdered a youngin over something trivial and petty and threw his own life away in the process. Where’s the logic in that?
@Erin M maybe If you actually read my words, instead of trying to fight with me. You would understand what I am saying
I value all life.
The logic here is that it's done and over with. How could situations like this be avoided in the future? If one can be aware that starting confrontations with people is usually a bad idea.
That's a very good step in the right direction.
Who could teach such a simple lesson? The parents.
All parents need to be examples for their children, or their children will likely repeat their behavior.
Ive been outside of America for years, I've been to different counties.
America is different than the rest of the world. Here we believe "starting a confrontation doesnt mean you should die" And we can all agree to that.
But in this world there are all sorts of people who do all sorts of things.
In real life, that's how you get into some ugly ugly situations, by starting a confrontation.
It's better to walk away, that way nobody has to get hurt.
The true definition of "Timid" those with great weapons, yet refuse to use them.
People should be timid, in the sense that regardless of what powerful weapons they may have at their disposal, they prefer the peaceful approach, and do not let their ego get the best of them.
Robbie Ezc you didn’t answer my questions at all and the fact that you can’t even address my points directly shows that you know there’s no logic in what this man did.
Robbie Ezc you’re the one that brought up logic so you should be able to explain yourself, unless you’re ready to admit that you’re wrong and you just like dancing on children’s graves?
Robbie Ezc I don’t know why that comment got reported, along with my other one that I had to edit into one of my responses. I would take a loooong look in the mirror before telling people they’re controlled by their ego. The visceral reaction to your callous words is what defines us as humans. Raw emotion exudes when we feel injustice, inequality, and experience just all around senseless tragedy. If you can say you’ve discussed every topic levelheaded and dispassionately, congratulations, you either pretty much feel nothing or you’re on the spectrum. I’m not insane at all, I’m pressing you for something because you’re incapable of giving direct answers. It is not that hard to answer a question directly and you refuse to do that, even though you dug yourself in that hole. The fact is, the remarks you made about a teenage boy’s murder would make most normal humans capable of feeling anything quite upset, because your comments are cruel and most of all completely unwarranted. Who made you the arbiter of looking at these situations “objectively”? Cause that what it seems you think you are. How am I liar? How can you throw around random accusations like a crazy person and not feel like everything you say is a joke? 😂
@Robbie Ezc YOU said you have no empathy. And you demonstrated that with your comments. You continue to do so by calling me "weak." What a wierd and animalistic way to argue...
Robbie Ezc “ I value all life, expect those who play loud music” this is what you sound like. You are blaming a 17 year old for being murdered by an grown ass man
Exactly. That's what gets under my skin. Of course some young lads are going to sass an older man for telling them to turn down the music. He could have moved his car, or just gone into the store with his fiancé until they were ready to go. There was no justification for death.
Right exactly! When you are in fear and defend yourself you think protect myself,! so 10 shots the first separate from the others! Crazy racist bastard
This one was certainly tough to watch. Even as they were pulling away, he kept shooting. So many cases where a person is being attacked, the victim disarms them and then uses the weapon on the attacker. They just switched who the victim was. They teach this in most firearm safety classes that have a self defense component. Personal protection is a last resort, not a first resort.
Kids mentally but may have been as tall or stronger physically, and there were 4 of them. While I am not defending what he has done and he deserve the consequences, the "kids" should've been taught public decency as well.
And parents should make it clear to their children that their blaring, thumping music is highly intrusive, rude and jarring to others. It IS a passive-aggressive, in-your-face behavior. Actually, never mind, kids already know this.
@QKVooDoo yes they probably were stronger physically. But they didnt attack him with fists. Didnt have a weapon. And didnt threaten him. He was in absolutely no danger. I am a petite women. Most men are way stonger than me and could overpower me easily. But that doesnt give me right to murder any of them.
@Sloane M Not “fault”. It’s our “responsibility” as parents to teach manners, ethics and civility to our children before we send them out in the world on their own. Blaring sound at strangers is bad behavior. It is a military psyops tactic known to cause distress. Kids know this is wrong. It’s an act of rebellion.
@Diane Taylor Almost ALL teenagers/kids act rebellious to feel more 'independent' and 'grown', I don't even know if you have kids but I'm sure you were a teenager once and witnessed other kids acting out - either way it's hard to get them to listen once they go into such a phase. Blaring loud music is of course jarring, but it shouldn't anger you to such an extent. I mean he was a teenager once as well. You're making this out to be more deep than it already is lmfao.
@Francesca N I think that’s exactly what I said, so I’m not sure what your point is. And it doesn’t “anger” me to any extent. It’s irritating. It’s rude. It’s intentional.
@Diane Taylor 'Irritating' = 'angering'. What exactly is your point? You're arguing with people saying that the parents should've taught them better (over something that should barely irritate you) and I'm saying that teenagers going through a rebellious phase won't listen.
@Terp the Bandit Of course they are physically mature, my whole point was that they are not cognitively mature and that refusal to turn loud music down is not a serious act of defiance or rebellion. All I'm saying is that teaching a child respect whilst they are going through a rebellious phase is difficult and that loud music is generally barely irritating and shouldn't anger someone to such an extent and really not that serious. Of course threatening someone physical harm is serious - which cannot compare to this situation. The children in the car did not attempt any sort of aggressive confrontation at all, so there was no reason to feel threatened. I'm not really sure with what you're attempting to get at here.
@My Peep's How did you hear 8 shots when the audio record clearly hearing 10 shots 😂👍
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Mike Destroyer2021-01-19 08:50:22 (edited 2021-01-19 08:51:10 )
@My Peep's 😃 You hear 3 shots first then 4 shots and finally last 3 shots which adds to 10 the audio confirms how did you supposedly heard 4 + 4 shots = 8 shots???? 😂👍
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@My Peep's 😂 How do you know if he had 8, 10, or 15 round clip???? They never say BUT the audio clearly recorded 10 shots 😂👍
This guy needs to stay out of Tampa. Loud music happens hourly. If you don't care for it... Move your car to a different space or find another store. He said they were there first. This guy is beyond stupid and down right mean. Leave them kids alone.
@Poo'dee I don't blame Jordan for talking back to him. He told them (not asked) to turn the music down and decided to be a smartass about it by adding "I can't hear myself think". He acted like the music somehow froze him and prevented him from moving his car or going into the store with Rhonda.
@Jake Yates I don't think it matters lol. Even if Jordan was completely in the wrong for talking back that still doesn't mean you can whip out your chrome .45 and start blasting
@LuxLoose remorse, empathy. Any good person would still feel something toward the person they’d killed in self-defence. He displays no remorse, no empathy.
At least they weren't literal children. "Real thugs" do that just about every weekend. People watch these videos in disgust but watch gang violence like theyre war vets.
I like that the victim's friends admitted the kid was talking trash. They are describing a real person, not trying to make up a story about an angel, the way Dunn was desperately trying to do about himself, also the fact that this came to trial 15 months later and his fiancee was still telling the same story and it was against him made her very credible. He had all of that time get that story of her's twisted in her mind, but couldn't.
I do think the boys made some good decisions like immediately leaving the parking lot and then returning instantly, but admitting the trash talk was kind of necessary. That was a central part of the case, he got trashed talked so he shot them, and so if they try to claim he wasn’t trash talking, it would cast suspicion on the them on what else they could be hiding. It’s best to just be honest about what happened because the more the lie, the most you risk getting caught for leaving out major pieces which is a red flag someone’s lying.
G. C. He was arrested and then spent the next 15 months in jail, until his trial, but they had phone calls, letters, visits if she bothered with any of that stuff. She did the right thing anyway. Maybe she decided mostly not to have anything to do with him.
exactly my thoughts!!! why the fuck would he say that near the end of the interrogation? he clearly thought he could breeze his way through this thing.
@Luca exactly this. Even after he asked if he needed a lawyer, he was asking if it was automatically a murder charge and that the way he saw it, it was just him defending himself.
“I really didn’t know I was being charged with murder and attempted murder.. that sucks.”
He truly believed he did nothing wrong. He thought he was ‘George Zimmerman’ lucky.
@ because the cops turned up the heat to max since they had everything they needed. So at that point they no longer had to act like they were just trying to "clear everything up". Fucking master class of an interrogation.
@Robert Demon He really almost did. First trial he’s found guilty mainly because the second volley of gunfire as the SUV was pulling off. He even says it was hard to justify. He got found guilty of the 3 attempted murder charges and was trying to get the 30 year sentence for each to be served at the same time so he’d be up for parole in 14 years. The first jury was hung on Jordan, which I thought was ridiculous. If someone tells me to fuck off or they will kick my ass I can’t pull out my gun AND shoot them. He has been drinking at the wedding, had a dui and another felony already, that’s why he didn’t contact police, he was sleeping it off.
@Maxim o IMO, in the first trial where he got found guilty of three counts of attempted murder which carried 30 year terms each if the judge sentenced him consecutively and the jury was hung on the murder charge for Jordan, I think he paid for that attorney and omg, I thought that guy sucked. Like Dunn was such an unsympathetic character and the attorney made it worse by being so unlikeable. I don’t know if he got a public defender for the second trial where he got sentenced to life for killing Jordan, but I think it was a PD because Dunn seemed to give up for the second trial because he somehow knew the 3 counts of attempted murder would already keep him incarcerated for the rest of his life,
“Do I need to get a lawyer” after 45 minutes of interview with police where he’s been told repeatedly he‘s killed another human, a 17 year old kid, and attempted to kill 3 other people in the car but they all just got lucky and weren’t injured
Crazy eh. I can't comprehend how you can pull into a convenience store and you're more concerned about what the complete stranger the car next to you is doing, than your 3 minute visit for wine. Who cares if someone's playing music, you're never gonna see them again anyway. The guy is an idiot. He fully reminds me of a giant red flag spazz I met off tinder once. Turned out the guy had multiple assaults under his belt.
Jason Wood He’s referring to the irony. You might not find a goof going to prison hilarious. I do. Especially when he asks if he can have bail lol! On murder lol!
EXACTLY. Doesn’t matter if the occupants of the car are from fucking Siberia, if you have loud obnoxious music on while waiting on someone in the parking lot - chances are you’re a douche and there’s a bigger chance of an altercation than if I just park somewhere, literally anywhere other than right next to you.... the way this dude grouped his shots (and later mentioned in the interview w police) like he knows EXACTLY what he’s doing, he was ITCHING to use that gun; and sure as shit not on a paper target.
I don't know about you, but it seems to me that the guy who puts 11 rounds into a fleeing car full of unarmed kids because he felt 'dissed' is the REAL thug.
@eric hoskinson they weren’t trying to be “gangsters”, you just can’t see past your own prejudice to just see them as teenagers who didn’t want to be told by some random senile old Rambo wannabe that they need to change their music volume or risk dying for mildly inconveniencing him.
@Annette Carter he was a programmer so he was probably a little bit autistic. Most software engineers are. They are weird as fuck. The littlest things set them off. You can see the way he's avoiding eye contact in the interrogation, autistic people don't like making eye contact. Not an excuse for his behavior. He should have seen a therapist at a young age to learn how to control his triggers
@Stormy Sheppard loud music is annoying as fuck and no one should blast it in a parking lot and not expect annoyed looks or like “shut up” type attitudes towards them. But regardless of that shooting them was extremely fuxked and wrong
SAME. I was just thinking how different the interrogation wouldve gone had Dunn been a few shades darker. How different he could have swayed me if i was on the jury if i had not seen the interrogation tape. Im all for self defense, but shooting up a car of mouthy kids exercising their first amendment rights while he was obviously drunk/impaired just because? That IS a thug. He could look like he does or he could have gang tattoos all over his face and the bottom line is that he is a piece of work. Im so glad to hear the trial came out the way it should have. God bless those other boys. My heart goes out to them.
@Bradley White privilege is alive and well. Maybe you don't know that because you're white, but try to do some research on all the cases of white people having the upper hand over minorities. Secondly, the guy was racist, equating black people to "thugs." He obviously twisted the narrative to his favor. He was unfairly judging MINORS for their skin, and he deserves the longest sentence they can give him. I hope he loses his racism in jail.
Edit: I should also point out that all this happened over some music. This is honestly ridiculous, the guy could have moved his car, he could have waited it out, he could have done so many things but he chose violence.
@Suzy Rottencrotch I think it's bad to call humans animals, but I agree that there are a very finite amount of communities which support "stoning women" or other things you're referring to, but i don't know how those very few communities relate to this discussion.
There was a reason. It just appears it was not a justified reason. Kid went rap culture and the murderer tried to play TV cop. I wouldn't shed a tear for either.
@Let's Go Brandon meanwhile they all were doing great in school, have no record, and you actually with that comment now have a more violent record than any of those “thugs”
@Jannik Xiu No, I think in the moment he really thought he was defending himself. That's what racism does to people: It makes them fearful above all else.
@Michiel Ariens exactly. racists, for whatever reason, hold fear against someone purely because of the color of their skin. he did genuinely believe he was in danger, but without any reason other than his racism. hope he rots in jail:)
The true facts are probably that the young men were acting over the top. It was their bonding time. They were four, and young, and on a high life. I've been there. And this white guy was probably a bit buzzed, and agitated by his woman getting more wine, emboldened by the idea he had a hidden weapon and disliked the rap. All these emotions swirling around in a quick mix. One of the young guys may have talked smack down language at the idea some white old guy was shutting down his moment in comfort. So I believe the kids can and do get over bold. White people were fresh up to it with the knock out game at this time. So to say black kids are harmless is a joke.
But it is clear to me that using a gun is a momentous decision while in public, and even showing it can get you time. So its a gamble and while I support gun ownership, its not to be taken lightly by people, and killing someone is a special form of robbery. You need to be sorry. And you can't just shoot at unseen targets. There are people living in those skins, and the whole concept of gun ownership is life first for everyone. There are certain civil rules here to be observed. And the shooter did go from zero to 100%. There is no way I would have let him off. His sentence was a bit too harsh though. I assume because of the current racial climate and white shaming in society, he got a maximum. But his lack of outward sorrow for a young 17 year old guy dying is really bad.
@Michiel Ariens but he shows no remorse to the fact that a kid is dead, or even shooting to a group of teenagers. No surprise, no emotion, no ever worrying or concern is just odd for a persons who thought it was in self-defense (even if he acted due racism) Idk it doesn't seems genuine, there's no correlation with someone who is afraid of loosing is own life or even his wife life. I mean it could be real at some degree but not even close from the dimensions he's describing on 1st interview..
@Em Custard Agree absolutely. They could "analyze" your talkind and "decide" to hold you as suspicious. A lawyer will always add to credibility; not diminish it.
For a guy who (from other interviews) is such a swindler its amazing to me that he thought talking at this moment was a good idea. maybe he's just used to getting away with everything.
@Em Custard I like your advice but it's more expensive to do that and what if you're are unemployed with no money and in a bind? They don't don't give you a lawyer right away so you spend time in the jail while you look for one.
and it's not just the quality of the picture; the person behind it is taking some legit beautiful angles on some of the footage - that is an aspiring artist that found a way to pay for their "hobby" lol well done, whoever you are
Indeed, and this was six years ago. The camera behind the lawyer has flags in C-stands to prevent flares, the color temp of the images are spot on, and the shots are composed as if for broadcast. It makes you wonder if this was filmed for a documentary.
@Not a great name This was probably a large case. I feel like there are a lot broadcast to television or other media sources like YouTube. But also you can request some from public records, if they are recorded.
That "movie-like" effect is done in post-production, but you can tell whoever shot this knew what he/she was doing, the cinematography, the editing and the sound quality is professional. It really felt like watching a movie; except for Dunn, that is.
@XXAB8XX What is up with this whole either-or thing on the internet? I see it when someone expresses empathy for someone, someone else always pops in and is like "oh, you should have empathy for this other thing".
Empathy isnt a finite thing. You can have empathy for multiple people involved in a horrible event.
I have empathy for everyone involved in this situation except for the racist POS who shot 10 times into a vehicle because black kids were playing music he didnt like.
He clearly thought he would never be punished or held responsible for his behaviour. This is probably the first time in his life that his behaviour & lack of forethought has gotten him in trouble.
He's tied with a guy I saw on The First 48. He had a guy come buy drugs from him, and he fired on the customer and the driver as they drove away. His reasoning was that he saw they had a gun, and "you don't bring a gun to a drug deal" so he had to pull his gun (that he brought to the drug deal) after the transaction was completed and the guys were driving away to "save his life."
He just kept saying it was justified because they had a gun in the car even though no one touched it, no one mentioned it, and he got paid and the guys were driving away before he drew and fired. He had the same entitlement tone to his pontificating.
Geez thank God there was a white witness..also disgusting he cries for a dog not a person..I Love dogs but he was a person..a person..a son ..a brother..a friend ...a bf . A student..so sad so needless so senseless
@Veronica Sawyer as I've said he belongs to jail no problem. But damn I'm sure this is one of those cases that if not here and this way, these kids would be in trouble after some time doing things like this.
@Mr Gunslinger what listening to loud music or telling someone to do one when telling them to turn their music down in their OWN CAR? This is exactly what racism is. Just because they are black and didn't take a man telling them what to do you automatic come to the conclusion that they will be criminals in the near future. You need to change that thinking.
@Abraar Shah Way to play the race card where it doesn't belong. Dude never mentioned anything about their race.
He could have just been referring to the fact that they played loud music beyond what many would consider to be a respectful volume and being confrontational about it when someone asked them to turn it down. Is he wrong for assuming that? That's a conversation worth having. But don't presume he's racist when there's no reason to think that yet.
@BrookeThis might be a surprise to you, but Mr Gunslinger (the guy that the person I was responding to called a racist) is not Michael Dunn. Nothing in my previous comment was about Michael Dunn.
Furthermore, the laws pertaining to volume are loosely defined, but they do exist, and it is entirely possible to get a traffic violation for having your music up too loud.
However, that is besides the point. I must reiterate Mr. Gunslinger's earlier statement, that Michael Dunn is a murderer and absolutely deserved to be incarcerated, but the fact does remain that it is not unreasonable for a person bothered by loud music to be allowed to ask the owner of the vehicle to turn the music down.
I don't agree with Mr. Gunslinger when he said that those teens would have gotten in trouble at some point, but that's not the point of contention. My issue was that the commentor after him claimed he was racist for thinking that. It's not racist if the person isn't referring to race.
@Mr Gunslinger what did these kids to indicate that they’ll eventually participate in criminal activities? They were literally just sitting at a gas station with their music turned up. When they were asked to turn it down, one complied while the other one didn’t. Nothing indicates that they’re dangerous.
@Xelane In that case ignore. Not even sure why I'm reading the comments of these other guys who are probably just 11 year old kids with no life experience. Youtube is starting to be like radical left Reddit. Imagine I'm not even from the US and if I notice that, that website has to be more far extremist than North Korea.
@Mr Gunslinger Ahh yes, the classic "I have black friends" argument. I, as official spokesperson of all POC, must now give you a free pass to say whatever veiled racist victim-blaming stuff you want.
@Mr Gunslinger Slave owners also had black employees, genius. And he's perfectly right, your comment has serious racist overtones. If you don't like that, you need to work on your issues.
@Xelane many people listen to loud music especially teenagers not all teenagers listen to music at a respectful volume that doesn’t mean they deserve to die
@Brooke so not defending the dude here, but if it was a public place he could have just asked them nicely again instead of shooting, however given that it was a public place it was their choice weather to oblige or not. I'm heavily surprised that Michael didn't just screw off considering he would have only been there s few minutes. I'm assuming that maybe the music was a trigger that made him crack, and was possibly building up before hand
@Xelane Why would you make that assumption? What evidence do you have to suggest that? Because they didn’t want to turn their music down (which they are not legally required to do) for an entitled old white man with an obvious aggression towards black people?
@Allen Scott "straight, white, conservative, male"....like we couldn't tell by your post 🙄
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My dog Niko2021-05-30 04:40:13 (edited 2021-05-30 04:49:00 )
@Abraar Shah I think it's funny everyone attacking @Xelane. Do you not read the whole comment or do you just cherry pick what you want to see and then reply to it? @Xelane made a point to say that @Mr Gunslingers comment wasn't racist. Not that he/she agreed with him, just that it wasn't racist in nature. While I agree it wasn't racist it was a pretty stupid presumption made by @Mr Gunslinger. @Xelane never said Michael Dunn wasn't racist. If you're going to be a troll then be a good troll and read every post.
It’s so crazy how someone can convince themselves, so completely, that they were totally justified in committing a heartless crime against an innocent person.
The fact that the kids turned the music down when he asked would tell me they were respectful and weren’t confrontational or threatening. Whatever happened after that point was him either perceiving something that just wasn’t there or him being a hateful idiot with no regard for life.
Hopefully Rhonda finds a better guy. It’s very hard to do the right thing at times but she did which shows she’s a pure honest person. And it looks like the family of the victim appreciated her. Also hope they can find peace.
First of all, Thank You very much JCS for all your hard work in bringing this to YouTube. Your work is top notch!!!!! At 47:58 Dunn states; "I didn't know I was being charged with Murder and Attempted Murder, That Sucks...." What sucks isn't the charges against you Dunn but the fact you killed a wonderful son and friend to so many. And at 48:15; Dunn again says; "It's unfortunate how it turned out like it did..." was his response to not having a Bond. No, you racist POS, the unfortunate thing in this situation was you shot dead a 17-year-old Teenager, one who had a family, a host of friends, and a girlfriend that loved him dearly. A young man that never had a mark against him as being an unruly teenager but one that had a promising life ahead of him. He had a promising life ahead of himself. I hope Dunn ends up in the worst prison in the country filled with inmates that will continue to dish out punishment towards him daily for many years to come!!!!!
Think about that 17-year-old who died. He had dreams, he was shot in the heart, right where those dreams came from, he hadn’t even graduated high school. He hadn’t even graduated high school.
You paint the guy like he was an angel. You can be sure he was puffing up his chest and acting tough. Obviously he didn’t deserve to be murdered, but I’ve heard teenagers be very intimidating.
It's just...bizarre. He really thought he could just shoot someone for something so petty and get away with it by coming up with the most paper thin defense ever. He really thought he was just gonna be able to talk his way out of this and go on with his life and this wasn't gonna be a big deal. It's so strange. He's so blasé about it all. Talk about throwing all caution to the wind. Like what is this thought process? Why would you even gamble like this? So many lives ruined just so he could feel like a hero in his mind. I mean what the hell.
Don't know why his lawyer didn't go the insanity route. Until he was told that there's a murder charge on his head, he really thought he was going home.
He’s so insanely racist he doesn’t even see black people as PEOPLE, he thought it was just like shooting an animal or something I think, it’s just fucking sick and disturbing
I've watched all of the JCS videos, but this one definitely resonated with me more. I'm from Jacksonville, FL and I went to High School with, not the victim, but one of the witnesses. I forgot the name of the defendant, so I didn't realize what case this was when I clicked on it. I was the same age as the victim when this happened back in 2012 and I remember seeing all of the stories on the news and just thinking about how I was the same age as the victim and how, with a small change of circumstance, this could have been me. It's wild seeing the interrogation videos and hearing how Michael Dunn tries to defend what is a blatant act of unjustified homicide when I knew one of the witnesses and how the incident played out. Even if I give the benefit of the doubt and say that Michael Dunn really did fear for his life, I could defend his first volley of shots, but the follow up shots as the SUV is fleeing can absolutely not be described as self defense. It's so disturbing to see how he tried to play this off as nothing, and it's even more disturbing to know that if he had not shot himself in the foot during the interrogation, he may have gotten away with it.
This had to have 100% been racially motivated. The use of terms like "thug music" and Dunn's demeanor in this situation make that very obvious. Nobody with a good head on their shoulders would ever choose to shoot a car full of teenagers for playing loud music. The audio of the shots makes it clear that Dunn wasn't fighting for his life, but instead actively trying to take the lives of innocent people just because he was mad. They drove away, and if it wasn't for Tommie's quick thinking, then it's very likely that all four of the boys in that car would be dead, based on the audio of the gunfire. Dunn parked next to them because he wanted to start something. Dunn knew he would upset these TEENAGERS by asking them to turn down their music. Dunn also knew he would have a chance to use his gun for his apparent "self-defense". The boys were unarmed, they drove away, and Dunn still decided to fire 3 more shots at the back of the vehicle. Even if Dunn didn't know if they were armed or not, the fact that he pulled his gun and started blasting solely based off of assumption shows that he isn't level-headed enough to hold a weapon to begin with. Guns usually don't solve problems, they make existing problems worse. In this case, the problem was teenagers being teenagers and an old white dude being mad about it. I don't know how anybody could find reasons to defend him.
The truth is that Michael carried a loaded gun in his glove box for exactly this reason. He initiated contact with these men. Who in their right mind tells a truck load of men to turn their music down? Seriously! A man with a gun does. What a sad excuse for a man Micheal is.
@Alex C When you approach a car full of people you don't know at a convenience store and ask them to turn their music down you are instigating an action Alex. Very simple really. Unfortunately, Micheal brought a gun along to enforce his point. Guilty as O.J.
Rhonda is who we all should be. It was so painful to tell the truth against the one she loved but she knew it was the right thing to do. If only everyone was like that!
Yeah you have every right to be annoyed w someone playing loud music but you do NOT have the right to kill someone over it. It’s NEVER that big of a deal
How did such a sweet and emotionally diminutive woman like Rhonda get hitched and then stay hitched to a malignant narcissist if not full blown sociopath like Michael Dumb???
What a sad story for these young men and RIP to the young man who passed away. This is a tragedy to the parents of the young man who died. You gave gun license to a man who should probably never had one, he's short tempered , his girlfriend seems to be afraid of him as well. Gun laws need to be changed!!!
Clearly, loud music and some aggressive behavior do not justify the use of a firearm; I do not believe Dunn felt his or Rhondas' life was in danger. This was about feelings of power and powerlessness. I will admit that the loud music situation distresses me, and that I encounter it regularly; I have strong feelings about folks subjecting others to their own will and if I'm being honest, feel that this behavior with the music often has a racist component. I always consider that even if I feel provoked, my best course of action is to NOT create more negativity. We live in a society with many differing perspectives as to what is acceptable behavior, and there are lots of self-centered people, aggressive people, and those who want to create mayhem, but violence should only be a response when there are no other options. We have all seen news reports of police shootings of fleeing suspects, or people that the officer "thought" had a gun, I can't help but feel that the statements made by detectives display a sad irony. My encounters with police have never had bad consequences and I treat police with the respect they deserve from their role in society, but also with the respect required by the fact that they are armed and have the authority to do whatever each individual officer interprets their authority to allow. I am not against police, am grateful for folks who are motivated to be in that field, but am not blind to the fact that all positions of power will have some bad actors in those roles. I'm encouraged at the content of the comments, and hope that we may finally be moving toward a society of greater tolerance, empathy for others, and non-acceptance of any of the many -ist behaviors.
I am a huge advocate that police are only humans and make questionable choices (as the news has recently shown) I as well have never had a negative encounter with the police but I do not have any belief that people in the world haven’t had aweful experiences with members of the police force. But that is the same in any profession it’s just unfortunate that those odd officers have bad moments while in possession of a fire arm. I’m all for the second amendment but in this kind of situation had the second amendment not been in effect that young man would still be alive.
Dude tried to get the detectives to believe that someone was bearing down on him with a shotgun but was able to lean over into the glove box, pull the gun out the Holster, put one in the chamber and fire first? Good story brah!
Thank God the driver of the Durango had the quick thinking to back out when he did...it could have been way worse than it was. Tragic all the same, but at least the law caught up with that crazy drunk.
Watching that, i am glad that i live in a country where firearms are not as easily accessible and people don't casually carry weapons. My dad is exactly the type of entitled person who would have done what Michael did.
I feel the same way! I have an uncle, after supposedly getting cut off on the road, who FOLLOWED the other driver all the way to their house. So fucking scary for that poor person! If there had been weapons, some stuff would gone down for sure. What's worse is that he had my 10-year-old cousin in the car. Great example for your kid. Goodness some people are such trashbags.
interesting how he tried to justified killing a teenager by saying he was loud and animated... hmm....two stereotypes... definitely not surprised.
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One Ghost2022-01-26 18:15:32 (edited 2022-04-22 23:12:32 )
You know, the guns these types of people use really do say a lot about the person who shoots without a good reason. Case and point, this guy had a Taurus PT 92, which is essentially a budget copy of the Beretta M9, a staple of action movies and the US military from just after Vietnam to just a few years ago. Then, Drejka, who had a Glock which is a favorite of law enforcement throughout the western world, and exactly what a boomer larping as a cop would be expected to have. Edit: rewatched the Drejka video, it's even worse. 10mm, the worst caliber.
Notice how the suspect refers to the people he shot at, he refuses to acknowledge their ages when the investigators bring it up, calling them "guys" when the police refer to them, rightfully, as kids. He's trying to justify the fact that he shot at a group of teenagers.
This is exactly why racism is dangerous, and needs to be fought and spoken against at every turn. This guy murdered a person who hadn't even reached adulthood simply because the music they were listening to was annoying.
Another thing, this guy says "They definitely had a shotgun." The cops tell him they were unarmed, and his response is "I didn't know that." Lmao.
He must have super human hearing. Heard threats through blaring music and a rolled up window. 🤥 Apparently his vision is the issue. He thought he saw a shotgun. 🙄
Should be an iq test to carry.... If you are in danger 99.9% just showing the gun resolves the situation. That is why most people who decide to pull the trigger go away for life. The threat was either false or retreating. You can't sign someone's death sentence....
He posture and got caught up. For all intents he probably thought with the escalation with the drink he believes it that he had to defend himself in that way. Look at his mind and wants he said... the pre thought... "these thugs" everything he filtered was they would get him. None of this is right however nor legal. But it is clear he did not just want to. He's not a crazy killer, he's an idiot however. He is misplaced and his mind was not right on drink.
Rhonda is the hero in this story, She had every chance to lie and help the love of her live out, she stood strong and told the truth, put him in jail for ever, where he belongs.
It's not first degree murder and the man obviously didn't want to end any lives, he just genuinely believed he could "scare them off" without hurting anyone using a gun and then upon finding out that he killed someone he said anything he could think of to try and get away without a heavy sentence. It's just amazing to me how many fully formed adult humans just have absolutely no fucking idea how dangerous guns are. This is a man that went to firing ranges, he handled guns frequently and yet still somehow thought "oh the frame of the car will stop the bullets from hurting anyone"
Love that little tactic where the black detective rubs his face because of how mind-numbingly dumb Michael's story is, as if to let Michael know he's pissing them off with his bullshit lie.
Fortunately, nobody else in that vehicle was killed but it's sickening listening to him boast about his gun skills when he missed the majority of his shots.
It's the gun crime equivalent of someone who's assaulted and murdered someone saying the first part was consensual when they get caught. On paper "in fear for my life" is technically when shooting is justified but, in practice "in fear for your life" has to be fear because of an actual active threat of harm.
Disturbing and very sad for the young men in the SUV. Even saddest for the dead boy and his family. Guns don’t kill people but idiot humans do and then try to convince a jury they are innocent. Those young men were all totally respectful and innocent and like all young ones, they love load music. The dangerous part about guns is the human that owns and uses them.
Artis Zelmenis i just wanna say this, exclusively from the dozen or so words that u managed to conjure up here, ive come to the conclusion that individuals like u literally do not deserve political power even in the slightest. Why dont u go think about ur ethics and morality, oh wait thats correct u dont believe in thinking.
Well, maybe not instead. Both were victims of the same person. She may have had the same fate. We should be giving our thoughts, of course. But, maybe not instead of. Maybe alongside. <3 Rest in peace, Jordan Davis
@Dear Me Exactly this. Sympathy isn't a finite or limited resource that can only by allotted in limited amounts. There is absolutely nothing wrong with feeling sympathy for multiple innocent people involved in a tragic incident.
@asdfghjkl3669 it actually shows that this person can think of two things at once. you can feel sorry for two people at the same time, for different reasons. MOST human brains are capable of that
Dear Me That’s a very true,valid point.Like u said quite a lot of people don’t care about anybody outside their close family circle & it’s understandable in some cases,I just hope they’re the very small minority,or humans are screwed.We have evolved to feel empathy for others & not to harm others, because if you exist in an environment that doesn’t care about strangers then the other members of your society will treat you in a non caring, apathetic manner which isn’t a good society to live in,so most of us are hardwired to care for others because it benefits them from an evolutionary standpoint.
Red Target No don’t get me twisted,I know that the day EVERYBODY thinks in an empathic way towards these type of situations is a day that will nvr come to reality,I was just trying to point out to a numbnut who thought that having empathic thoughts would be pointless & of no use in reality,they didn’t seem to understand that every racist murder that becomes a reality starts out as thoughts b4 any action is taken,I know a utopian Earth is a non starter m8
He's a really dangerous person! He speaks about a sleepless night for the policeman...and he doesn't want trouble instead feeling sorry for his actions? And instead calling a lawyer .....narcissist dangerous racist person
@socillizt4life I don't believe in anything - I try to achieve reasonable level of certainty. Mainly, because beliefs can be wrong and most of the time are wrong.
That's the first thing you got wrong about me. Namely, that I am not certain in the thinking itself. Reasoning is one of the most enjoyable thing there is. It helps you to align yourself according to the reality.
You see, I agree, thought process makes people do certain actions, based on thoughts.
But, that wasn't what I asked, now wasn't it?
Trying to look past your undeserved name-calling..
he's already dead thought, your thought and prayer doesnt do anything and justice has been served, he shot the guy, the guy dead, he go to prison its clear case
@socillizt4life Those empathy-less people are one of the reasons we've been able to get where we are today.
Also, you said yourself you don't think everyone will be at a point of sharing your level of empathy with everyone else. So how do you not understand the guys point about the fact that these atrocities will still ocurr regardless? Because, as you said, not everyone will ever be that way.
Sure, if it was as you said then there would be LESS of these cases, but you said there wouldn't be ANY. So you see the contention, right?
Edit: Side note, it was obviously implied that the subject of the help via the "thoughts" would be the victim, yet nobody has answered still. How do your thoughts help the victim? He's dead, sadly, so they don't help him. Thoughts might help 'give comfort' to the family and friends etc, maybe. But if you've ever lost someone close to you, I hope you haven't, you know that nothing helps. Nothing at all, certainly not 'thoughts' of strangers on the internet that you're unaware of.
I don't understand why people now have to prove they care about the right stuff. Why can't it just be assumed to be the case until shown to be otherwise, like the good old days...
How about we stop assuming that having sympathy for one person means you don’t have sympathy for anyone else. If someone comments about only one of them, it’s likely because they noticed a lot of comments about the other one and felt they should mention one of the other victims. It’s the same thing you’re doing except you’re assuming they don’t care about anyone but the person that they commented about
Tragic that such a young man died because of this selfish man. However, can I just say that the wife's honesty since the beginning is commendable. She didn't hide anything from police, she didn't try lying to police. She spoke honestly.
Now, she could have done the right thing and said to go to the police... But I think going home was her shocked reaction to finding out that somebody she loved killed somebody...
@Eaves Eaves I think what giving thoughts means is to remember the victim and not to forget that the victim in this crime was a 17 year old boy and not a woman that happened to know the killer. I can be reading into this too much, but that is what I am thinking was meant by that statement.
The way you respond makes it very clear that you can't exactly handle another's opinion when it differs from yours.
What bothers me slightly is not everyone will respond me the same manner, given there are some clear cut signs of guilt. But, one could easily ramble or add irrelevant information based on ones attempt to calm oneself by means of distraction. The trouble is we are looking through our own lenses of understanding, how we would respond, feel, and do. The mainstream idea of what's normal and what's abnormal; The image of what we are suppose to be... is what's killing this world.
A drunk, wannabe tough guy all because he knew he had a pistol with him. Could have all been avoided
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Charlie Christie2022-02-03 22:23:32 (edited 2022-02-04 15:38:26 )
The part that REALLY upsets me is the fact that the shooter shows NO REMORSE for a dead 17 year old kid. He is just worried that the cops don't believe him. Michael Dunn does not feel bad at all about what he has done.................I am a 68 year old white guy raised in NYC and I can tell you what this guy is. I have seen a lot of them. He is a racist. He shot and shot ALL AROUND that truck and did not care who he shot or who he killed. He feels he shot some "N"s ( I won't say that word )...So sad. I feel so bad for a 17 year old who never had a chance to live. Twenty seconds of drunken temper and stupidity changed the lives of some 5 people and saw the end of one.
This is that kind of guy you should never ever marry, date, or be friend with. The lady did the right thing. It’s not because he’s drunk or loud music or anything, he just has that kind of personality and she might be his victim if this did not happen.
He knew if he said what he actually said "are you talking to me" he was gonna come off like Robert de Niro so he changed it to "are you talking about me"
“i guess it would be better in a room with them animals” “thug music” i can’t wrap my head around this case. you can tell me all you want that this had nothing to do with race and i wouldn’t believe you for one moment. it was a 17 year old boy who had a life ahead of him and it was ended early because of some music?
"Didn't know I was being charged with murder ... that sucks" REALLY? --losing your car keys sucks --burning your toast sucks --getting a paper cut sucks --bird droppings on my car sucks
This guy comes into a random neighbourhood, shoots up a car full of kids over loud music and still says HE is the one fearing for his life. You can't make this stuff up
Like, you can be both a narcissist and a racist. They are not mutually exclusive. And he has so many racist dog whistles in what he says, let alone in his actions of shooting and four black teenagers, that it’s clear he’s both.
@Tradeladder It was premeditated he pulled next to their care when there was loads of other spaces available and within seconds started a confrontation with the young men more then likely intoxicated himself, before opening fire in two seperate bursts, this WAS premeditated first degree murder.
@Anna Steffans that has nothing to do with the price of tea in China .. and I’ve never seen a serial killer get less than this in the US ,at least, I mean please give me names so I can do some research.. & how about the truth is that he was not in fear for his life, there was no weapon for him to have a legitimate reason to open fire, he fled the scene & never returned (therefore admitting guilt) he lied continuously, also while the car was fleeing he still was shooting. That’s facts he thought stand your ground would protect him but an argument does not justify killing anyone period!!
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Anna Steffans2021-12-01 04:34:44 (edited 2021-12-01 04:37:44 )
@R4mbunctious_ I'd say 25 years to life. I'm just bummed I don't see the same energy when real monsters commit crimes, such as Chris Watts and Matt Coleman. You want this random man who let his anger get the best out of him to serve 90 years, but how come you don't care that the above-mentioned monsters get life as well?? Are those crimes comparable to you? To me, they're not.
Not to mention that this guy shot at the car, he never intended to kill anyone, he just wanted to win the argument and/or scare them I suppose. Do you see the difference? Look up the pos's that I named in my comment.
@Anna Steffans you left out the past where he killed a kid karen
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Monet Monroe2021-12-04 04:24:41 (edited 2021-12-04 04:33:27 )
@Anna Steffans I hate when people deflect or bring up other situations that aren’t comparable to the topic at hand! But what the heck lets compare shall we! What is a “real monster”?🤔 I really want to know. Is it a person who kills kids ?because that’s literally what all three men have in common? But yet you single this man out because he “lost his temper” well ms. Girl I hate to break it to you so did Chris watts and Matthew Coleman they lost their temper and killed their families but by your logic they should only get 25 years because maybe by Chris choking his wife he was just trying to “scare” her your comment is laughable… you’re saying a person shooting at a car does not have the intent to kill well… then why shoot at all ? And then keep shooting as the car flees ? And then leave the crime scene and never alert police ? I’m more scared of having you or people who think like you on a jury.. a person who is willing to see the evil intent in some but justifying the evil intent in others is mad scary to me.. btw not sure if Matthew Coleman went to trial yet but he’s facing the death penalty and life imprisonment!! Which is way more than a slap on the wrist and what this man has been sentenced to, Chris watts is serving life so again what are you even talking about
@Monet Monroe you know a lot of people serving time in prison, let alone in maximum security? The fact that they are allowed to keep correspondence and meet women even if it's just penpals is already disgusting. What is truly mind-boggling is the fact that you as an average layperson feel more anger towards someone who committed involuntary manslaughter than real monsters that planned their murders and disposed of their victims' bodies in fucked up ways. And then you have the audacity to compare the crimes and state that they deserve the SAME punishment. Oh wait, not even the same, because if you think about it, 90 years is much more than anyone's whole damn life. That's our justice system in a nutshell, and you're okay with it.
"Entitlement" is what's bothering you. You don't talk about how some people are entitled to fucking life after they annihilate their whole family or kill and torture dozens of innocent people. That somehow isn't entitlement to you. The funny part is that you're trying to prove to me that this man in the video deserves punishment as if I said let him walk free. All I said was that the punishment should be proportional to what crime is committed.
@R4mbunctious_ no matter how you look at this, it clearly wasn't (ie. should not be regarded as) "murder", there was absolutely no premeditation involved and he fired at the car, not at the individual
Nothing about this is beautiful. A kid's dead, a family has lost their son/sibling/grandson/etc., friends lost a friend, a man threw his life away and will rot in jail forever, a long-term relationship is broken forever, a newly-wed couple's wedding is forever stained, a newly-wed groom's father is in prison forever, and a community is hurt. Absolutely nothing about this is beautiful. This is a tragedy through and through.
@Anna Steffans Shooting a gun at a person with the intent to "just scare them" is a horrific mindset. Really hope you seriously reflect on how ridiculously irresponsible that statement is.
Involuntary manslaughter implies that shooting at a car with people in it is not voluntarily endangering people's lives when it quite literally is. This man shot at a vehicle with people in it with intent. Whether it was to kill, maim, threaten, all of it leads to the involuntary prefix no longer applying. This isn't even manslaughter as he used a gun on people deliberately.
A gun's purpose is not to threaten; A gun's primary purpose is to end another living being's life. If you can't handle that responsibility you shouldn't own a gun. Simple as.
@Anna Steffans Just because other people didn't get a fair sentence doesn't mean he should get away with this. He shot a firearm at an occupied vehicle. Firearms kill people, if he shot at them then he intended to kill them. You don't argue or scare people by firing bullets at them, you fire bullets at people to maim or kill them. The fact that you are incapable of understanding the sole purpose of a firearm really makes me hope that you never have access to one
@Friend of P. Depends on your local law but premeditation doesn't have to be long before the act. A guy in my town got convicted of 1st degree murder because after an argument he walked to his truck, got in, revved the engine a couple times and plowed into a crowd of college kids. The whole thing took a minute or two but he had enough time to think and carry out the act with intent. Similar to this case, he got more and more pissed off and had time to make a decision. Instead of rolling up his window and ignoring the kids he decided to grab his firearm and murder them. Wasn't a split second decision, it was a deliberate act carried out after time to consider what he was doing
How you can be happy when people died, putting smiley faces and the word beautiful is sick. Does it bring them back? Is it an even punishment? The man still has his life and others don't. Now the are going to have to pay for this man for life! This is not a beautiful ending at all, it is , unfair, sad disgusting ending!
Coming from the UK, I do love how unnecessarily long American prison sentences are. Just in case someone lives to 200. Here, most people who go down for murder can be released in 25-30 years.
im sorry but this was definitely racially motivated, he sat there and made up some sick story about him "having a shootout with a group of vicious thugs" when in reality they were just black teens being teenagers
Yea and all the racist comments under this video that are agreeing with him!?!?!? Its 2022 I thought we were past this shit. I hate how their is people like this . My bf is Jamaican and lives in a pretty suspicious area in my city. Makes me worry for him alot thats why whenever I get bad vibes from anyone in public while with him I hold him closer to me . Cause God forbid anyone does something to him they are taking me with him.
What I've learnt is that these criminals are sort of out of touch with reality. They dont see the consequences of their actions and only feel sorry when they get caught.
Lol.. you’re not the victim. Nobody was ‘preying’ pon you.. u have no right to ask them to turn their music down… I like how he says those things over the phone bcuz he knows he being recorded smh
The victim Jordan Davis' mother, Lucy Bath, ran for Congress not long after this on a platform of gun law reform. She won. She's now a member of the US. House of Representatives representing Georgia's 6th District.
It's pathetic at how he is pandering so ;hard to his obviously perceived societal privilege'' as an excuse for shooting a black kid because the hip hop music annoyed him.. Truly sick tbh.
Tommy Stornes is a genius. If he had driven away from the parking lot or even to the hospital, Dunn's lawyer could've created reasonable doubt within the jury that there WAS a shotgun or that there WAS a stick that they dumped on the way to the hospital. Since Tommy Stornes smart driving kept the ccar out of Dunn's line of fire, kept the car in the parking lot, and called 911, he not only saved his friends, he helped make a somewhat open and shut case.
I’m as big a self-defense advocate as there is, but this is in no way self defense. It fails every test for legitimate self defense. Dunn was rightly convicted and deserves his sentence.
DozensOfViewers As I recall overweight adult Zimmerman tackled a skinny unarmed 17 year old kid who was minding his own business then shot him. Looks to me like Zimmerman and Dunn are both angry wannabe vigilantes.
@KaaBee I don't think that's what "happened" (obviously only Zimmerman knows exactly what happened). If I recall correctly the official story was that Zimmerman was following Martin because he though he looked *suspicious*. Zimmerman called the police and said he was doing this. Martin realized he was being followed by a grown man with a gun and somewhat ambushed Zimmerman got on top of him and started hitting him in the face. Zimmerman tried to get Martin off of him, but ended up shooting him from underneath.
Martin was actually pretty muscular for his age, I believe; a lot of the circulated photos were of a younger Martin. Zimmerman shouldn't have followed Martin and I understand Martin's reasoning, but I think Zimmerman's case still falls under self-defense.
Brometheus I believe self defense falls under feeling that your life is threatened. If you was being followed by someone with a gun I think you will feel threaten. Zimmerman was the threat. Can’t be self defense if you the one causing the threat. That case was bullshit.
@Dee Lem Self defense only works if the threat is reasonable. You can't legally beat someone up for following you in a public area, even if they have a holstered gun. Martin may have felt uncomfortably but he should not have just started beating on Zimmerman. To be clear, I don't like Zimmerman, I think he is a racist weirdo, but that doesn't change that there simply wasn't evidence to show Zimmerman as the aggressor in that situation.
Brometheus the fact is: we will never know the truth. Only one person survived and will say anything to defend himself just like we have just seen in this video. If there were no other witnesses, it’s highly possible that this would have been another Zimmerman case.
This piece of garbage actually thought he was right to kill that guy. That's just...I don't know what that is. How does a person kill another person so casually? How much hate must he have in his heart?
I remember the trial, he reminded me of one of those people who carries a gun and looks for any reason to pull it out. He just wasn't going to let those teenagers talk to him that way...but he gets to rot in jail now...
@The American Militia yes, but pls not all those gun crazy thugs who deal drugs and kill ppl left and right. We need them! RIGHT?Like he said, this guy probably just wished for a moment to pull then gun, for sure. But im fairly sure, based on experience, that those "victims" were no good and very well might had that shotgun.
He called blacks in the south the scourge of the earth. He said no one should even be listening to the survivors. They're just thugs and daddy's who are thugs.
How much of that you think he hid from her? Any of it? "I know honey" she knows the monster he is... She loved him wanted to be with him forever and liked him... She was one of em bud.
Your intuition isn't good. Careful what you're instincts tell you about people. You seem to be off a lot
@curtis morris You haven't even seen the comment I replied to, he deleted it. You must love putting your nose into people's business without even knowing what the argument is about.
@Obnoxiously Charming Your bulb doesn't shine too brightly does it? Have you any clue how blinding love is? I've seen people claim someone is, "good at heart", endlessly trying to find the good in them. Love is blinding. People will find any reason not to believe someone is a bad person. "Ah well he doesn't TRULY think that!". Plus she seems like the kind of person that would want to find the good in someone.
Why is there a whole argument going on here? Just accept that none of us know the situation between Michael and Rhonda, and that we shouldn’t be constantly making unsubstantiated guesses.
@Obnoxiously Charming Do you have parents my guy? Even if your parents were wretched people deserving of death would you kill them? Could you kill them? Also, what if he only showed that side of him after marriage? At that point it's difficult to escape.
@Allison Castro yeah times a couple hundred thousand people in prison, times all the life they will live in there. It comes out to about $70,000+/- per year to keep one inmate in prison.
About 200,000 prisoners in the US are in there for life. That's 70,000 times 200,000 per year, or $14B per year in tax payers money to support people deemed to be so dangerous in society, they need to live in prison forever.
@Kyle Broussard This article I found explained it well "It seems like common sense that it’s cheaper to execute someone than to house, feed and take care of them for the rest of their natural life. But there are a lot of unavoidable costs that make a death sentence far more expensive than a sentence of life without parole.
Most of these costs result from the unique status of the death penalty within the US justice system. Because it’s the only truly irreversible form of punishment, the Constitution requires a long and complex judicial process for capital cases, including several levels of mandatory review after a death sentence is issued. The appeals process takes decades to complete.
Studies of the California death penalty system, the largest in the US, have revealed that a death sentence costs at least 18 times as much as a sentence of life without parole would cost."
@Kyle Broussard Sure keeping them imprisoned costs a lot. But their psychological distress of knowing they will be wasting the rest of their life forever jailed and never seeing the outside world for the rest of their life surpasses any form of execution. Being forced to keep living a bland and monotonous life with no way out is worth every penny.
@Hypocritical Satire That’s insane. You’d rather spend a million on keeping inmates in prison for life so they feel prolonged distress rather than spending that money in something useful? Do you realize if we put that money towards Malaria, we could save about 12 lives a year ($70k cost a year divided by $5k it takes to save a life).
Of course, in reality, for reasons explained above, the cost of executing someone is often more than the cost of life in prison, but if it was as cheap as paying for the cost of a bullet, then in cases where absolute certitude about their guilt existed, that would be the obvious solution.
@Jason Dulin I guess all humans are narcissistic. If someone does something, they see no issue in it and shit. In this case, he sees no issue in murdering a child.
@Jeff -66 - Stop generalizing, it makes you a racist too. I know a LOT of people of both political parties that have guns and a lot of them. Some of them hunt and some of them don't. So you stop being "racist". You are just another "divider" and wouldn't know the truth if God Himself was holding a sign in front of you, about anything truthful, you wouldn't believe it.
These guys spend every waking moment hoping to be confronted so they can live out their fantasy. Rationalizing it with the gun-nut logic version of self-defense that they talk about with their friends.
To think he even had the right to asked strangers about their music in their car... Not even an act of public indecency or abuse... just loud music. That was already wrong of him to do. And the fact he traumatized those men and killed one of them, over his clearly internalized racism (hence the “thug music” and presumptions that they were going to attack him). Sad.
@Morningbikeride That's what I was thinking. He thought he'd get slapped w/ stand your ground. These detectives were thorough in their investigation. The story doesn't match w/ science.
I don't get these criminal. Even innocent people are not supposed to talk to the police without a lawyer, why tf do these guilty people think it's a good idea.
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D K2020-11-09 15:25:37 (edited 2021-01-01 03:50:55 )
“They will begin to set traps for him, and destabilize his thought process by inducing anxiety”
that chuckle as he said that HE was the victim here is really disturbing.. i truly hope he's just saying that as a type of defense, and not that he actually thinks he is in a case where he shot at unarmed young teenagers TEN separate times and killed one just for playing their music too loud next to him.. 😒
You'd be surprised how people can rationalize their behavior. I bet he actually believes what he's saying. Assuming he's prejudiced against black people, it's probably not hard for him to rationalize what he did (since he believes he's better than them).
3:43 The black gentleman in the first clips of testimony... I'm assuming that's the victim's father. The two looks you catch on his face... The first is the pain he's dealing with, but that first expression is clearly sympathy. Sympathy for the fiance of the monster who killed his son. He can tell she is obviously suffering for something she had and wanted no part of. What a GOOD man. Decency like that is so rare and my heart broke for him. God, that poor man.
Your content is phenomenal, Jim. My favorite channel by a mile. 👊
I noticed that right away as well! Before I knew who was who- or who Dunn is, that is Empathy my brother sympathy is just the act of saying sorry that man shows True empathy which only something like 16% of the population can actually show it and have the gift of feeling for another human, it’s decreasing by the day but ya thank you for pointing this out! It’s so important to shout out to true empathy peoples it’s a super power!
He left his sons wedding early to walk a dog. That is weird. If he could not have had a friend dog sit for a couple days, he could have put the dog in a kennel for $100. I can not think of many things which would make me leave my kids wedding early. That tells you right there he is a selfish person.
This is one of those guys who misses the "Good ole days" when he could tell this story to the cops and they would automatically believe him. It never once crossed his mind that the car was full of smart ass teenagers who have never been in trouble and not the seasoned, adult gang members he assumed they were.
@PurpleNiobe i just wanna bring some snow bunnies to the hood "lolz" . some of you people sit around defending groups of people you never dealt with or know personally. Malcom X talked about what "certain" type of people can do to help.... Which means they should do nothing.
@White Alliance So you just randomly started talking at the one person that appeared to be white about a completely different topic? Or are you saying you believe the boys who were shot at were thugs? Your post is all over the place.
@PurpleNiobe well first of all, youre not even the girl i replied to... So im not sure why you dont mind your business. 2nd there is no randomness to my comments. I never asked to speak to you, so now youre confused because my comments arent for you... Its all rather clear if you stop thinking every reply is for you. That other reply was not meant for you.
@facetious39 Well, in the 60s my dad was being chased down the street by a group of white boys calling him the n word. In the 50's an angry white man stormed into my dad's classroom with a shotgun and pointed it at my dad's teacher because Mr. Shot was mad she had the audacity to politely ask his kids to play away from the schoolhouse so her students could stop being distracted. My father wouldn't call the 50's and 60's the good ole days, but I bet you Mr Shotgun and the group of white boys chasing him sure would.
@purpleniobe. I completely agree with your initial comment and there after all your others. It gets tiring the amount of attention seeking trolls that are on YouTube, Fragglebook (which I do not have an account for, as there is not an ounce of intellect to be found) and other such social media. Its best not to respond to them at all and leave them to their own worlds.
PurpleNiobe I literally never comment on youtube but i read all these trolls’ responses and just wanna say you’re on point. These trolls replying don’t even deserve your time of day! Peace and love to you
@John Breslin Thank you (and @D. ) for your comments. I use to argue with Trolls when I was bored until I realized that just gave them more fuel to harass other people. Believe it or not I've even found some people aren't even trolls in the traditional sense. They're just incapable of having a discussion or debate without lacing it with insults.
@James Davis Sadly, that is the thinking of a lot of people who just start blasting. If they are so afraid they need to stay home so that our kids can live to reach old age.
Did you see his reaction when he realized he was being charged for murder? He was surprised a white man killing a black “thug” would be treated as murder 🤦♀️
I want to feel bad for Rhonda but I just can’t. She knew her fiancé shot into another vehicle at least 3 times and just jumped in the car with him and left the crime scene, like Bonnie and Clyde. She knew the next morning that he had killed a CHILD and did not once tell him to talk to the police. In fact she urged him to go on the run and “get them home”. It wasn’t until AFTER she received the call from the detectives that she realized there was no escaping the truth and decided to throw her fiancé under the bus to save herself. Let’s be very clear, I feel no remorse for her. She knew the type of man he was well before that night.
i kind of disagree, people can hide their nature very well. she didnt know what happened and he was lying to her, and she was probably very scared and in shock. her being manipulated by a murderer doesn't mean you shouldn't feel any remorse for her, she was a victim in some ways too.
Salute to the homeless guy and his humanity. Despite knowing he had warrants, he put himself aside to do the right thing. I call that a stand up guy without a home, but a huge heart ❤
A homeless man who would read the paper everyday brought a fairly wanted fugitive down because he just happened too see this guy the same day his face was on the front page of the paper !
Nowhere in this video is there ever a mention of a homeless guy. I’m not saying there wasn’t one, perhaps you saw it in another video covering the same case but it was definitely not in this video.
@Nothing rhymes with Silver. She didnt know someone was dead until the news the next day. I think she even said in her interveiws he wouldnt tell her anything about what happened
@Just a Strider she had no way of knowing he would do that, yes he told her he hates that “thug” music but his response is no where normal. She was in the store when the gunshots were fired.
I work at a school with very destructive, unpredictable and manipulative 13 year old and this is exactly how his mom talks to him as well. Total hostage, very sad
@Nothing rhymes with Silver. she only heard gunshots she didn't know someone died. Plus after that she was inside a car with someone mad with a gun then in a hotel room with someone who used a gun and is drunk. I think she's justified.
@Nothing rhymes with Silver. When did she see it? I don’t recall hearing that she saw anything. The video said that she went outside the store after hearing shots went off.
The way she sighs when she recounts him saying he hated the music, and she said “yes, I know...” How many rants had she sat through about things he didn’t like?
You should do videos on this process on innocent people and how innocent people can be screwed over. I love your work so far, keep it coming regardless :)
There was one about a woman convicted of murder for allegedly pushing her partner through a window that was grossly inadequate for the size and application. She killed herself in prison. Absolutely disgusting injustice.
He deserves to be in prison being somebody's play thang for what he did so I'm glad he talked to the police without a lawyer. But I can't understand how people feel like talking to the police can ever turn out good for them.
It’s sad though. She’ll probably live the rest of her life thinking “all I wanted was wine and now a child is dead” That’s definitely what I would be thinking
I'd love to go to that parole meeting with a speaker. Halfway into his testimony about how hes reformed... "I'm the victor, AND the victim!" Nah boi, get back to your cell.
Sightless Sniper at 17, he still has a lot of growing up to do though, and at least sixty years left to live. While calling him kid may be a little inaccurate ( personally at sixteen I would not have much problem with being called a kid ) he is definitely not a fully grown man being at least three or four years from becoming an adult. Whatever you want to call it, sixty odd years is a lot for a stranger to take away from you.
@Dat Boi "for a stranger to take away from you." Like they have nothing to do with what happens this evening ... ok they were young mens, but they was old enough too drive a car, to insult people. They have started this shit. And btw how do you do the difference between 17 year old and 22 years old late at night ? You can't. Easy to judge for us with all the elements.
Ant hony what is your point again? 22 or 17, either way, that's around sixty years left to live. Also, they did not know mike did they? So he's a stranger and they definitely did not start it. They were just listening to music.
Take a life, forfeit yours. Rape, forfeit your life. Steal, pay it back double, can’t pay it back, you now work for whom you stole from. Prison just breeds more criminals.
@Sightless Sniper In law, a minor is a person under a certain age, usually the age of majority, which legally demarcates childhood from adulthood. The age of majority depends upon jurisdiction and application, but it is generally 18. Minor may also be used in contexts that are unconnected to the overall age of majority.
@Aye Jax and our brains don't mature fully until around 25 years old, so while a 17 year-old is physically pretty much an adult they're in no way one mentally
@Sightless Sniper 17 is by definition a child. If anything, your "I was enlisted" is more of an indictment of the way the US Military manipulates youth and puts them in situations no kid that age should be in.
This thing was a true narcissus to the bone!!! His next door neighbor went to the authorities to let them know what kind of asshole this "it" was. How he stole from his parents and he is just a ,or was a blatant bully in everything he did.....so now he has gotten his just deserts, by the way his woman left him as you knew she would.
@Jakob Gabrielsson I don’t think the guy was in Fear of their witty and cutting remarks.. physicality is all that counts, Hell, it’s even more dangerous when that physicality isn’t tempered by the maturity of mind, so perhaps a 17yo is MORE dangerous than an adult...
@Joe T although the law says a person is an adult at 18 doesnt necessarily mean its the absolute truth. It is strictly 18 so there can a legal definition if an adult. Byrocrasy needs definitions
So he was drink driving and thinking he owned the streets and a young man has lost his life because of a trigger happy drunk if it was my kids life u took like that u better hope police get to.u first
Yall can chill off of sightless sniper, the dude's not responding. Since im here though, with a name like sightless sniper, im not sure you stopped being 17
@Joe T No they are not . Legally only adults are allowed to have a driving license not children . So if you have a driving license legally you are not a child . So if a 16 year old does something wrong he/she will be sent to a child correctional facility and not to a prison but if a 17 year old is involved in a criminal act he/she will definitely go to a prison .
@Johnson Jame The whole concept of snitches being the wrong ones is so fucked up. A 17 year old kid is dead. Without Rhonda's testimony, it's possible that Dunn wouldn't have gotten the sentence he did. People shouldn't stay quiet if they see fucked up shit, and the idea that they should is stupid.
this dude shot and killed a seventeen year old and then proceeded to buy himself a pizza like nothing happened, and had the audacity to say " i'M tHe viCTiM" words can't describe how i feel
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@potato chip These comments are like everywhere in this comment section I’m starting to believe they‘re just bots. And if they’re not bots I really hate this kind of people who force their religious beliefs on others.
Probably didn't even see them as humans. This whole situation screams that some racist got too hostile too quick because some black kids were speaking to him like that.
All of you people seem to forget, he didn't KNOW he hit someone until the NEXT morning when it was on the news. That is when they, Mike and Rhonda, knew that someone was dead. Sure hope people like you all don't ever get on a Jury, your selective hearing is a real concern.
@WIll Marsh She didn't do anything wrong lmao why tf would she support her husband for doing something clearly despicable and wrong. She told the truth and supported justice for the boy that was killed.
“Animals…thugs…violent…” She has her “listening to his racist rant” voice on during that call. I hope she’s dumped him and gotten a good therapist to help her realize she never deserved to be in a relationship with such an abusive jerk.
No she's not. She was enabling her husband's or boyfriend racist behavior. Before he took it too far. She is just as selfish as he is. She is very hypocritical.
@Rilak Kuma I'm sorry but she's not fucking responsible for actions any other than her own. She told the truth, that's the only thing she could do and she did it right.
@rriarria you're right! That's the ONLY thing she did right. to save herself! If she had called him out on his behavior for hating "thugs" for no reason ,maybe that monster would have been a little more educated and know the real definition of a thug.
That's so TRUE! I was thinking that when he said he was shooting his damned gun the first time, and she emphatically asked, "WHY?" Her heart is so obviously with her, as well as conscience. He's not only a loser, but Forever a murderer. God knows she moved on quickly to a decent man after her deposition was over.
@Hugh Darrow that’s not the entire story tho. she not only enabled his statement prior to her entering the store, but she also went home with him and literally ran from the situation. barely asked about the situation, even when the news clearly articulated that someone had died. neither one of them called the police, or even considered the lives of the kids. u only ever see her react when shes testifying and realizes her fiancé is going to jail. she’s not sympathetic to the life that was taken from jordan and his family, but rather, the life she was hoping to have with micheal.
@Ricicici 33 Isn't Love a PART of your Life? I got a lot of bubbles in my life, one of them is love, one of them is career, one of them is attitude etc. If your lover fits in this bubble because of his or her belief, you keep this bubble as healthy and alive as possible, until death. So, she did love him but still stood in her bubble of righteousness and confidence. It's what makes her a rare, charismatic human being. And I appreciate it. It was just fair and right. Kinda pure and innocent.
@Kaela Hillman Maybe she was scared of how far he would go if she raised any objections, further more depending on the person it may take time to fully process the situation and realize the extend of her husbands action. Its very easy to point out errors looking at a case from an outside perspective but doing "the right thing" in extreme situations isnt easy and we can never be fully prepared for it. It doesnt rule self preservation out as her only motive but I wouldnt be too quick to judge. Calling her husband out in court was the right thing no matter her intentions....
@Rilak Kuma doing the right thing, even if it's for selfish reasons, is still doing the right thing. You shouldn't discourage someone from. doing the right thing for selfish reasons because it ultimately helps more people. If I witness a neighbour I hate doing something illegal like dealing drugs, I may be phoning the police because I hate him and I want to get one over him but ultimately its the right thing to do as it helps more people in the long run.
@Explosivo100 That's the thing...she DIDN'T defend him...quite the opposite, even knowing he would be imprisoned for life over it. We have to remember, she didn't meet him as a murderer . Do people abandon their cherished loved ones if they commit murder? Personally, I never had to tackle that, thank God. However, I can't blame her for having compassion towards the man she KNEW...it's totally different coming from our place, only knowing the person AFTER they commit an act of murder. She probably knows his temper and convinced herself he has a "good heart" (my assumption of course). Either way, she did not defend him even though she still has some type of love for him (out of just compassion for him...who knows? She does seem compassionate- (makes sense she became a nurse).
Now...if she had lied for him, the concept of defending a murderer would be apt. Anyhow, she's not the cold hearted b@stard, he is.
@Rilak Kuma How do you know that conversation came up, and if it did how in the world could you expect her to foresee what happened! We BOTH need more info before we can say one way or the other (he may have been on his best behavior around her). What IS clear is she has compassion for the man she loved for almost 4 years prior...but still gave the true story, even to the detectives...damning statements at that. It's not like she had to turn state's evidence against him as she was not part of the crime. As I said to someone else, she is not the cold blooded b@stard, he is!
@coffeefrog why us she responsible for both of their actions if she was intoxicated? Why us it, “she let him drive”, and not that he drove? Why as a drunk woman is it her fault her husband drove drunk?
It sounds like mental gymnastics to make it somehow her fault HE got drunk and killed a child.
So no one noticed that Rhonda told detectives early on that they didn't speak of anything, just went to bed? Her "no" responses to him mentioning any weapon could have also been, "but we didn't speak". My take is that he was drunk, causing him to misread everything, especially the supposed threats and actions of the teens while emboldening him to shoot and murder. No alcohol, he would've parked away from them initially, just as the other driver did.
@Bean sprout 🌱💞 I didn't say it was only her fault, but we've just been talking about her here. Obviously it's his fault. If she was aware he was drinking, which she was, then it's both their fault that he drove drunk. Both of them are responsible for not getting a proper ride home.
She has been going out with a hard core racist, for 4 years. This is not their first date. You think he never made a racist joke in his presence? Never revealed his true felling about POC? I am sure she knew his exact thinking on those matters and she was at home with it.
Granted she did not pull the tigger. However, I am not hearing HER remorse for what happened to the deceased or the 3 survivors. She is crying because Dunn's act of murder, has wrecked her life at that point and ended her marriage plans. She was going to marry a guy who has a history of abusing women, a guy who tried to get them to participate in orgies.
@Hugh Darrow - My spin: He is arrogant and thinks cops are idiots. He has no problem engaging the black detective ( who is sharp as can be ) not because he wants to hide his racism, but because he thinks the black cop is not smart enough to figure out, he is lying. In other words, he holds the black cop, especially, in total contempt.
His inner thinking, IMHO, is along the lines of " hey man, I told you the story, it is simple to follow, what is your problem that you cannot figure it out ".
That is what he is thinking, because if Dunn had any clue, absolutely ANY clue as to how intelligent those detectives were, he would not say one word. But he goes ahead, acts his normal arrogant self, and makes chopped liver of any defense his attorney could mount.
Arrogance keeps an expensive school. Fools will learn in no other.
@Explosivo100 she absolutely did not defend him.... If anything she gave them more evidence against him then shit to help him out did you watch the video man?
@rriarria i did fall for the Southern belle routine either. Listen to the interview-she knows the deal and was co signing his racist behavior until it went too far 😡‼️
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@Rilak Kuma seems like she would tend to lie or dissemble to protect her fiance in that case. Nope. She blasted his a$$ right outta the water and into a LIFETIME in a cage (which he deserves), along with destroying her future marriage and life with him. Doesn't seem that selfish...🤔
@Kaela Hillman I so have to agree with you! From the moment it all went down her thoughts were on how this was going to ruin her life her dreams and Ambitions with this clown... Sad actually. Because any rational human being would say oh my God you shot at them? You need to make sure that nobody was hurt...
Why? I guarantee they did threaten him. He more than overreacted, but I can tell you they're no angels. Hood people(not just black,cause I know you will take it that way... white and Hispanic too) are roudy and respond with threats all the time. I've been in situations like this numerous times."what you gonna do white boy" I've been jumped for even stepping foot in the wrong hood. But when its a white guy "he's evil, racist " but when its one of our own nobody says shit
Everyone saying they were pissed faced drunk. No. They said they had 3 to 4 drinks each, over a 3 hour period. Now as an alcoholic who has been to DUI classes and drug and alcohol counseling, I can tell you that a glass of wine, shot of liqour, or a beer all equal the same amount of ABV roughly. I can also tell you that the alcohol in your system wears off at a calculated rate at about one drink an hour. So if you drink 3 to four drinks in 3 hours then you are at an ABV of 0-1 drinks worth which would be between %0.00-%0.04
If he's saying things like "I hate that thug music" often enough that she shrugs it off, there's no way this was his first time being racist and awful that she was aware of 🙃
and this is exactly why you mind your business even if you don’t like what someone else is doing. he started the altercation himself, and escalated it himself. now he’s in prison.
What bothers me moreso is it was only temporary, he only had to deal with for as long as she took to buy wine or they left, he didn't ever have to hear or see them again.
@Ken M i’m not concerned for his well being at all, i could care less what happens to him. i’m just trying to say that minding your business can save you from making a mistake that will ruin your life. i see stories of children dying everyday. don’t try to make it seem like i don’t sympathize for them. woman.
She’s earned my respect a thousand times over because of her pure honesty. And the fact that she felt guilty that she wanted to stop to get wine and thought it was her fault because of it, when it was obviously his fault... she’s too good for him.
What bothers me the most is that it'd take his wife a couple minutes to get into the store and come back with the wine. It isn't like he'd spend a couple hours listening to loud music unwillingly. He deliberately chose to kill those boys. Nothing can justify trying to kill people because you couldn't wait a couple minutes in the car listening to music you don't like. What a fucking monster.
This is exactly what I would have write if my english was perfect ! 😉 I totally agree with you, this is one of the thing that bothering me the most and that I can't understand. I write something like that in the comments...
@Mauree Golden What racist? I'm not defending any specific racist. I defend racism generally, because emotions are a human right. But there is no racist in question in this video. Grow up.
@Not Sure how is there not a racist present? he called what i’m sure they were listening to (hip hop) “thug music” already placing a target on their back from the start, he then pulls up right next to them but hates “thug music” so he was looking for a fight. on a phone call he calls them “criminals” though they are innocent. in his cell, he was recorded saying that the young child he killed “would’ve became a criminal anyways” he later fires ten shots of rage, this is racism. i am grown, and have experienced racism. people find ways other than calling you the N word to be racist. you grow tf up, and stop living in fanasty land. people are racist, and he happens to be one of them.
@Not Sure “it’s okay to identify thug music as such” what are you even talking about. i’m starting to believe you’re the racist, you say slick remarks and keep defending him.
He pulled up and was immediately annoyed by the music. If it was that big of an issue I don’t see why he couldn’t have taken the extra minute or two to pull out of that spot and park somewhere else. This guy wanted a confrontation.
Entitlement runs deep in some cultures and it's pretty obvious he was brought up in a culture that values their own comfort over others' lives. Unfortunately, I've met many like him where I'm from 😪
@v b And in such cultures those claiming entitlement ARE entitled. They're not merely claiming it, they does deserve and get what they claim to deserve to get in those cultures. No one's comfort was valued over life. The life of a victim was valued over that of assailant.
@Not Sure Mauree Golden finished you. I dont know why my first comment was removed but i’ll happily type it again ina shorter version. He’s more well spoken then you, used facts provided by the video from Michael Dunn’s own mouth, and all you did was be passive aggressive with assumptions. You lost buddy. You come here to be the man you will never be, in a comment section on the internet.
@La Kenzie No, I haven't been refuted or disproven anywhere here. Your weak attempts to shame me into compliance don't work, they just reveal the desperation of your position. Cope.
I love how witness 7, like most of us with brains, didn’t want to listen to the loud, most likely crappy music, and just parked somewhere else. That’s what normal humans do. We don’t all have to like the same things, but we don’t have to kill people for our opinions.
Not trying to defend Dunn who's clearly in the wrong but at least have some courtesy lol, don't put out loud music in a public place, and also him using his guns was only intended to scare them away not to kill them
@MultiChantal22 I agree that playing music loudly enough for the cars next to you to hear is incredibly rude. And doing so in a parking lot is even worse.
But you do not shoot at cars if you do not want to hurt someone. And music is hardly a reason for a gun. I think that if he didn't want to hurt them he wouldn't have shot his gun.
@Zstead one blasting music that loud can be illegal in some places i think though, but obviously should just call the police or complain to the people inside
@Juicy342YT Fair enough, but I don't think a gas station qualifies and you're right- generally you'd just lodge a noise complaint with the appropriate party.
@MultiChantal22 as long as you are not causing someone harm. You owe a stranger NOTHING, not even courtesy. That’s the problem with certain peoples mindset in this country. The sense of entitlement is IMMENSE and clearly can be dangerous.
They were in a petrol station, no one is in a petrol station long enough to care about anyone's music. If he had just shut up for a few minutes he could have just driven away, cussing about them all the way home and never had to think about it again.
@Aldo Horn if it's a gas station or a Walmart or a public park parking, I don't find it rude at all u can bust whatever music as loud as u want just not in a housing area
@aiight bet I still think it is a bit rude, because not everyone wants to listen to another person's music.
But I agree that a gas station is not really a quiet place and to expect absolute silence is really stupid.
Also when I say that I find it rude I mean I will sigh lightly, wished that I could have everything go my way, realise that that is an idiotic way to think about life, buy what I need, and drive on while listening to my own music in like 2 minutes. Loud music is in reality a non-issue even if I dislike it.
@MultiChantal22 dude the door has their bodies and vitals RIGHT behind it. Idk how you’ve somehow justified body shots as an appropriate way to handle anything but I hope you gain some common sense soon.
@MultiChantal22 Ok but you’re at the gas station, for, what… 5 minutes roughly? Why couldn’t he just had minded his business for a few minutes while his wife bought wine?
@vigilantassassin RIGHT?! Like, not even Dunn himself had the audacity to suggest those were “warning shots” he was pumping into the SUV, but here little miss “I’m not defending the guy, buuuuuut” is, trying to pass that asinine argument off with a straight face. GIVE. ME. A. BREAK, DAMN.
@MultiChantal22 You don’t fire your weapon in someone’s direction to “scare” them. If you think that’s appropriate, never own a firearm. You should never even POINT your firearm in someone’s direction unless you are preparing to shoot them, knowing you may be killing them with this action. Additionally, this fool told investigators that he was shooting to save his life. He wasn’t just trying to scare them off because of loud music. The fact this idiot thought any of his self-serving bullshit behavior was okay is abhorrent; the fact you defend those actions is ignorant at best, hateful and entitled at worst.
@MultiChantal22 lol let me shoot directly at a vehicle to “scare it away” and then continue shooting at the vehicle once he completed that mission. Did he get overzealous and feared the 4 shots that went at the vehicle weren’t enough? One shot straight up would’ve done the trick
@MultiChantal22 rule #1 to gun handling and safety: never point one at anything you are not willing to absolutely destroy. It’s not a BB gun dude, it’s a deadly weapon.
@MultiChantal22 U must not be where i’m from😂 And clearly where they were from. depends on how loud it was but i mean i blast my music and nobody complains most people in my area do it’s just how shit is.
@BrentTX87 that doesn’t make sense if he attended on trying to scare them he could of shot away… from the car but he shot at the car smh! Naw he guilty… makes no sense. People will run or flee if gunshots are near. If not carrying a firearm them selfs. He thought of white privilege… it’s simple! Not today my good sir! He didn’t even cared that a person died but only cared about his freedom and dog. R.I.P to homie that died and o well to that man in prison!
@Aldo Horn lmao if you don’t want to listen to someone else’s music, turn your music up too! Fight fire with fire, not physically or violently please 🤓💀😂
@MultiChantal22 I'll defend him then. I completely understand the compulsion, and we have laws that let us know what following through with it will do. That wasn't enough to stop him. Anyone who hasn't even slightly considered that course of action is a liar. It would scare people to think that this guy see a fairly average, up until that Rubicon was crossed.
@Aldo Horn it wasn’t about the music…the attitude “disrespect” set him off. His is NOT the only case where disrespect cause a person to “flip their lid”. I’m NOT defending him. He was wrong…anger management man!
The point is we shouldn't have to change our lives in order to not have to listen to crappy music. It's called respect and people like these kids don't have any.
@MultiChantal22 you trying to justify the use of a deadly weapon to “scare them” is incomprehensible. You’re taught when learning firearm safety not to point it.. let alone discharge the weapon at anything you’re not 100% willing to destroy. This is the kind of mindset that gets people unnecessarily murdered.
@MultiChantal22 He shot directly at the passenger door where a passenger was sitting. A passenger is another person in the vehicle who is not driving, ergo he was indeed shooting directly at them.
@MultiChantal22 Are you dense? Why would you use shooting the car DOOR as an excuse as if there wasn't people inside?! Do you just expect the bullets to dissapear after they hit the car?
@Zstead one which would explain that maybe this pushed him over the edge. I'm only offering another alternative to everything being racist. I am also trying to tell people to be kind and respectful. This to me is more about "road rage" than anything.
@TheDarkCat any reasonable person wouldn't shoot at so eone who cut them off, yet happens all the time. You never know what a person's mental state is. They risked it, a kid lost his life.
@Katherine ND Does that really mean they deserve to die? They’re kids. Kids listen to loud music. It’s inevitable. This is a grown man who decided not to control his racist ass. It’s his fault.
@Katherine ND If you are someone who handles a gun, you need to learn how to handle a gun. You can’t let your emotions get involved with a lethal weapon. He was not trying to protect himself, he was trying to kill.
@The Black Sun and, from the USA, show my post where I stated he did not deserve a consequence. The first thing snowflakes sant to point out are their feelings or racism or whatever gets them to their belief. I'm showing there could be alternatives. It upsets their bubble world but we do not know his motivation. Probably never will for 100% certain.
@macy ryan you cannot prove that. All you can prove is he killed the boy. Again, we don't know what was going in in his mind. You don't know whether or what pushed him to do what he did. He may not know
@macy ryan if you are someone who is driving, learn how to handle your emotions so there is no road rage. I'd rather err on the side of being kind and respectful than passing someone off. You never know what mental state they are in
@Katherine ND Since when were we talking about road rage? Road rage was not a factor in this what so ever? If you’re not in a good mental state, you probably shouldn’t be driving anyway. I’m gathering that you believe that since kids were listening to music, they deserved to die. Sounds pretty irrational if you ask me.
@UCSS-lS3hIKlzhqevT812hDQ did not say he was mentally ill. Everyone at some point in their life becomes unstable. You are making assumptions from my post. People in general are angrier than they used to be. I would behave with caution. The boys chose not to, they chose to be rude and disrespectful and one died. They have a responsibility in what happened as well. They are not entirely innocent. We all make choices and must live with those choices
@macy ryan they were not "kids", they were rude, obnoxious teenagers and made choices that contributed to one being killed. That is a fact. I remember when there was not road rage and then it became a thing. When people started carrying guns, road rage became a caution activity. It isn't that the teen deserved to die but their choices played a part in the situation
@Katherine ND they are still kids. Kids will act like kids, they weren’t even 18. This was a grown man, who should’ve known better. It’s sick to justify this man’s actions. He is a murderer and deserves to spend the rest of his life in jail. You’re saying that if you have a mental breakdown or any sort of heightened emotions, you have a right to kill someone? He decided to pull out a LETHAL weapon. That was his choice. We’ve all had mental breaks, but do we all shoot people because of it? No. Learn how to control yourself. Just because I’m upset by some music doesn’t give me the right to end someone’s life. Lmao.
@macy ryan I do know what minor means. I agree, they were minors. You didn't say minor. You're one of those that if they cannot win an argument you change the argument.
@Katherine ND Lost what? You see this as some sort of competition? We’re talking about a kid who was wrongfully murdered and you’re prideful that you “won”? HA
@Katherine ND I didn’t scan your posts. I read all of them. And they are all wrong. You’re the kind of person who seems like they don’t believe victims. You didn’t even respond to everything I said, which means you’re brushing over questions you don’t want to answer.
@Katherine ND I don’t wanna waste my time with people who have no empathy for victims. You are apart of the problem, Katherine. Justifying the death of minors, kids, whatever you want to call them. Doesn’t matter to me, because guess what? They mean the same thing.
@Katherine ND So, if the kids were being well behaved, they wouldnt be shot. So it's the victim's fault.
I want you to sit their mothers down, look in the eyes of the victim's mother, as she cries over her lost child, and say "well, he was having a bad day. And your kids were brats. When you think about it, they deserved to die, acting like they were grown!" I want you to listen to her sob and cry out for her son at night. I want you to tell that to his father as he stares down at his hands, tears in his eyes, wondering if he could have changed something by being there. Blaming himself for his son's death as you tell him "yup, you should have raised him better! If he was docile and polite, he would be alive. He didn't deserve to live, acting like a grown man when he's just a little kid." Then sit down his siblings, his friends, cousins, and all the neighbors and kids in his neighborhood who looked up to him, that he's never coming home, because he's too loud and plays music too much and he got what he deserved, that the bullets riddling the car were right to take his life away as a drunken man asserted lie after lie to save his own hide, trying to slander a child he murdered. Tell his aunts and uncles and grandmas and grandmas that he should have been quiet and he would have lived.
Because that's the world you would rather live in than accept racism exists. Since you want it so bad, go tell them. Tell them how he deserved to die for playing loud music at a gas station. Justify the killer as a man who made a mistake. Do it.
Tell them exactly what you want to be the truth, if you're that convicted in it.
@TheDarkCat those are your words and you're attempting to play to an audience. We could say that about everyone who has died. If only the bartender didn't serve that last drink.....we all have a role in the life we live. I never stated they shooter should not be held accountable. At the same time, we have to recognize that incivility and rudeness have become acceptable. I cannot say why he did what he did just as I cannot say why those boys made their choices. We can guess based on his past actions and statements but then that would still only be a guess. I stand by my statement. They made their choice and a teen died and a man is in jail because of his choice.
@macy ryan ok. Last time. They were not kids. They were rude and disrespectful teenagers. Did they deserve to be shot at and one losing his life? I never said that. What I said was they made their choices which culminated in a death. The shooter made his choices which culminated in his incarceration. You cannot say with 100% certainty anything else. Not everything is about race. He could be coming from an Era where he expected respect and when they turned the music back up, aggravated the situation, they gambled on a reaction. They got one.
@macy ryan where did I say he had the right? That's your interpretation of what I said. YOU never know what pushes someone over the edge. We all have the capability to different degrees.
@Katherine ND Yeah, a choice to play music. Nobody is obligated to listen to a stranger, especially if it’s as dumb as asking them to turn down their “thug” music. His words, not mine.
@Katherine ND I’m posting and responding because it’s hilarious. Hilarious that victim blamers like you exist. You commented to me, I didn’t start this. Don’t start talking if you don’t want to have a conversation. Your actions have led me to keep responding, right? ;)
@Katherine ND I think I see what you’re getting at, but I will disagree because that only works for reasonable expectations. It is not reasonably predictable that turning up your music will result in death, so to suggest that they bear some responsibility is incorrect. They would only bear some responsibility if one could reasonably conclude that gunfire was is a likely outcome (such as if the attacker revealed his firearm, but the victims continued to verbally harass him).
If it wasn’t for his gun and entitlement, they would be alive. If the situation was exactly the same but he had no gun, the likelihood that one of them would die would be incredibly low. This means the blame is squarely on the attacker, not the victims. Their behavior did not cause the death; it was caused by an entitled, immature individual who decided to not only brandish but fire a weapon in a completely non-violent situation.
@HailBones 666 I enjoyed your post. However, I think our world is just angry. A person never expects to be killed in many interactions but we are seeing it more and more. If there had not been a gun, there may still have been a stronger interaction that could have resulted in harm. It is possible even leaving their music down could have resulted in an altercation. I am simply saying they chose to have their music loud which for the man began his downward slide. I can tell I'm not saying it so people understand. It's like a car accident - a certain amount of liability is placed on you just because you were there. It's not blame, it just is what it is. The chose not to turn there music down which resulted in one being dead. The man chose not to use alternative behavior and killed them. We cannot say for certain it was racial. Only the man knows for sure.
@macy ryan they are not kids. According to the definition a child or young person leaves much to interpretation. They are teenagers who should have more common sense than a 5 year old. If this had been reversed, I would be saying the same thing. If he had asked them to turn down their music and an argument ensued, then he was shot, I would be saying the same thing.
don't agree, what any normal human does is NOT put the music too loud, it's just rude of course is not a justification for killing the person, that's totally out of line
@Laquan As long as am not near a school or housing area, I'mma play twinkle twinkle if I wish…street isn't for made for your peace of mind and meditation.. if you want peace, go home.
@MultiChantal22 you dont seem to know how shooting works. Bullets don't magically stop at cars door. even if it were warning shots( which is still unacceptable in such situation) he would shoot near them or in air
@Katherine ND You want to blame someone for not cutting him off? His partner. She knew the number of drinks he had. She drove intoxicated to get more alcohol. She knew him better than anyone.
She should have cut him off. It's not some faceless bartender's fault this happened.
@TheDarkCat show me where I said equally. I am willing to tell his mother her son and friends made a choice, a decision, which resulted in her son's death. I'm equally willing to tell what's his name's family he made a choice which resulted in his incarceration. They both made a choice. Tell me which fact is incorrect. All these other posts are based on how the reader read it, and put in their unconscious bias. Which tells me about about the person posting. Just like the guy that said I posted this was road rage. No, I posted its like road rage. Regardless, ALL of you save one or two has not comprehended my posts. A person never knows another's mentality, their emotional state. I remember a time when a fight resulted in the saying of hands and everyone moved on. People were shocked when a fight ended in a knife fight, or worse, a gun fight. How did we get to this point? I don't know for sure, but we are here and when making choices or decisions, those possibilities should be kept in mind. When someone is on my tail or cuts me off, I let them go. I don't respond because I don't know that they are not carrying a gun. Having said that, we don't know what the reason for him choosing to shoot. Fear, anger, racism, any number of reasons. In fact, I cannot say that he would not have shot his gun even if they turned the music down. I can't say this any clearer or differently.
@TheDarkCat I think I know where you got the cutting him off from alcohol. I wasn't speaking about him. I speaking in general using that as an example to all decisions. I think it was in response to something but for the life of me, I cannot figure out how these posts don't have subcategories so I can follow.
@Katherine ND Generalizing murder with non-murder is a bad idea. Taking another person's life is the worst offense you could possibly commit. Not only do you end a life, you severely damage the lives of everyone around them. You shouldn't be "speaking in general using that as an example to all decisions", as word salad as that headache is to read. We're talking about murder here. Death. Not drunk driving resulting in a rear-ended busted car. Intentional homicide. There's nothing worse you can do than take another life. Period.
@Katherine ND I think you should get a hobby that doesn't involve exposing people on the internet to how bad you are at explaining things, since poor you is constantly being misunderstood.
If you genuinely can't understand why so many people are mad at what you posted, the problem is likely you.
How many people are you going to brush off as people who don't understand you before you have to admit that it's not everyone else, it's just you? What's the common denominator in all these interactions? It's you. You're obviously very eager to push the blame off on everyone except "one or two" people for just not understanding you.
Or, maybe, just maybe, the majority is right, and something about the words you use and how you use them isn't coming across the way you apparently intend.
First of all this is Jacksonville if you know Florida most of our music is loud we put speakers in cars literally there’s not one side of town u won’t hear loud music
@MultiChantal22 ah yes let’s traumatize a group of kids by killing one of their friends and nearly harming everyone else in the car 😐 they are kids. they play loud music when hanging out, sure it might be obnoxious but he never had to interject in any way, he made it HIS problem for no reason.
@MultiChantal22 They are teenagers. They do stupid things. I did that when I was a kid and I wasn’t a thug. I sang classical music and played flute in a marching band.
@Juicy342YT call the police cause they playing music ??? I jus think everybody need to mind their business 😂😂 go in the store, get ya stuff and pull off.. real simple
You do not absolutely do not pull guns to "scare" people , that's someone who should not have a gun , add shooting at the car to scare them is 100 times worse , even if no one was injured or killed he should serve time and never be allowed to possess a firearm again, I'm an avid gun enthusiast they need to be respected , a gun only should come out in a case of immediate threat to your life even in that case I'd keep it low until I was 100% sure
@MultiChantal22 NO ONE DESERVES VIOLENCE OVER MUSIC STOP HAVING A TANTRUM OVER LOUD SOUNDS UNLESS IT'S A NEIGHBOR PARTYING EVERY NIGHT AND EVEN THEN-- CALL THE POLICE. STOP! JUSTIFYING! GUNS!
I keep seeing people say “ he really thought he did nothing wrong “. That’s not true .
This one guy 100 percent did whatever he wanted and thought the cops would side with him because he was an older white man and they were young black men .
All he had to do was call 911 and Park at a Safe distance and he could of got off with Manslaughter or even less, now he has to listen to Hip Hop in his Cell, thats a Life Sentence in itself.
@Duje Radman My family member is a cop and he said that it's incredibly satisfying to get a confession after hours of bullshit. Apparently also just knowing that his story doesn't match up is awesome because you know that you got the right guy.
It's not the means that they take satisfaction from, but instead the result of putting away someone that has commited a crime. Just like any job, you may not enjoy accounting if you own a business, but you enjoy the net result. It's a means to an end.
@demonjmh It's very simple, yes you have to defend the guilty, but you want to make sure he gets what he deserves and nothing more. Maybe a murder happened, but the reasoning of the murder is somewhat justified (say, in response to someone being raped by the murder victim). Yes, the man is guilty but you need to have some to argue against the maximum sentence for the crime. In any case, if someone is definitively guilty and manages to walk away, I would absolutely lay the fault at the feet of the prosecution. (Granted there are issues with the wealthy being able to work the system by dragging things on, but there are some new laws that are aiming to put all fees on said wealthy individuals.)
@Mattgeezy sorry, I'm a bit unclear on what you're trying to communicate :( are you saying the black kids would've listened to a black man, and that mike was justified for shooting them in self defense (after shooting at them three times)? I'm genuinely confused and would love elaboration
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@Willem Gijs yeah we know what it means, but I think he is highlighting it is the most asshole and narcissistic thing to say after murdering someone. It is almost cliche how bad it is.
I actually wish these people weren't allowed to just have guns allowing them to act on these impulses like this.
In an ideal world he could have realized he has these issues and worked on them to become a better person in future. Him being stuck in prison is obviously the due process but I don't entirely agree with it. I agree with incarceration for murder but I think a lot of people in prison could be reformed under a better system.
@DankFrank I fully agree! We need better gun control, and better prisons, because as it stands the current “gun control” is pathetic and harms so many people, whereas the current prisons often make people WORSE rather than better. they’re systematized revenge fantasies.
+ we also need to make it easier for released prisoners to be reintegrated into society. the lack of aid also contributes to re-offenders. honestly, so many bad people nowadays are just a product of their environment, and it’s a shame
@Barbara Manatee Exactly. That is exactly what all narcissists want you to think when they have done something wrong. And it’s disgusting that he uses the word victor. He thinks killing someone is victorious, even if it was in self defense. (It clearly wasn’t but, that’s his claim.)
Do I need to get a lawyer? This sounds like it could be serious. Yea...you killed someone! Besides being a murderer I don't think this guy could be any more of an idiot. Kudos to Rhonda for doing the right thing.
I don’t know why people don’t immediately get a lawyer… even if I was involved in the most 100% shut and closed self defense case, I’m talking to my lawyer lmao
It’s really telling that when the detective asks him if he shot one-handed or two-handed, he felt the need to demonstrate, and pointed his imaginary gun directly at the black cop, who wasn’t the one to ask him. Every other interrogation I’ve seen where somebody demonstrates a shot they took, they aim at the detective that’s talking to them.
I’m not saying that this definitely means anything, but Michael looked way too ready to aim at the black detective, in my opinion. I’ve watched this video a few times already, and it shocks me every time he does it.
Er, no. He pointed sideways to shoot and that is what he demonstrated.
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R D2022-02-06 04:46:55 (edited 2022-02-06 05:04:15 )
Jack, I can’t find the spot that you’re referring to, but it would make absolute sense for him to turn toward his left to reenact his actions. The other car was to his left and so he was shooting to his left. But you seem to be reading much more into it.
@R D 29:35 Also he is obviously doing that to demonstrate the motion he used when he fired out of the driver’s seat of his car, not to awkwardly aim at the black cop lol
Good observation I didn’t think of that. However it’s also quite possible he was trying to re-enact the direction of the scene. But his lack of regard for black people in general, did show subconsciously by pointing the gun towards the black detective.
It is beyond me how guilty people agree to an interview/interrogation without a lawyer present.. Even if I were not guilty I would want a lawyer present! Although, I’m not the least bit angry that these criminals open their mouths and expose themselves for their horrendous crimes
I think it's the narcissistic personality. "If i were to get a lawyer, it would look as though I feel I need to protect myself as if I'm guilty. But, if I give my side of the story, I'll appear confident in my innocence and they'll believe me." It's the calculated thought that they're smarter than anyone else in the room.
The actually smart approach is realizing that not one damn thing you say in an interrogation is going to "save" you. The police aren't the people that decide your culpability; the judge and jury do that. As such, you would need to understand that the situation is no longer about whether what you did was "right" or "wrong", but about how your attorney can frame the evidence.
Not that I agree with that. Dumbass narcissistic racist assholes should absolutely spill their guts to the police. It makes the trial easier. But whether you're guilty or not, talking to the police will only make the situation worse.
They want to get their side of the story out. They think being cooperative and twisting the narrative will allow themselves to be seen as innocent and in a positive light. They think that refusing to cooperate without a lawyer present will make them appear guilty.
This happened within minutes of leaving his Son’s wedding. Not an excuse, but he was most likely drunk-drunk and had no business handling a weapon at all. It’s fucking terrible that boy was killed and I’m glad he got locked up. Imagine if he and his wife didn’t give interviews and brought a lawyer? It’s likely this murderer would be walking around.
In this case, as well as in the Michael Drejka case, it all starts with this class of people who think that they are entitled to break the law.
in the Michael Drejka case, it was the selfish woman who parked illegally (in a handicapped spot), and in this case, the thugs blasting music in close proximity of others trying to enjoy their own lives, but cannot, due to these people who have NO place in civilized society. And, when others try to defend themselves, or try to ask the miscreants to stop breaking the law (i.e. illegal parking, illegal noise violation), they are the ones who end up in prison. Society in these here United States of America, has become unbearable over time, due to this unfortunate evolution of society into one where one particular class of people makes life miserable for others
@Timmy Vawwter You’re over here defending murderers, not just 1 but 2. Impressive. Next time your music is a little too loud I pray you come across someone else who thinks like you.
@Timmy Vawwter not only are you flying to the defense of two white men who murdered unarmed people, you are also failing to understand that these people (that being this class of white middle aged men who believe that they have this self imposed responsibility to uphold the law) are people who have the assumption that just because they have a gun in their hands, they have the lawful right to start firing. This man killed an innocent boy playing music with his friends, and you think that because he had it turned up loud that he deserved to die?
I in NO WAY agree with this dude as far as any actions he took bc I have been that 17 year old loud mouth kid more times than I can count. But the crazy thing is, I really think this dude is so in love with his own self and the only way of the “right life” is his lifestyle-but he genuinely thinks he is justified in this.!! It’s crazy. He can’t see any other perspective other than his own. And not to make it political or create any issues with saying this, but it feels like Mikey here just might be a tad bit racist along with just generally feeling like he is better than everyone else that can’t stay in an upscale 5 star hotel whenever they want.
Imagine being so annoyed with loud music you just start shooting wildly? WTF? You're gonna be there for 5 or 10 minutes at most. It's a temporary annoyance not worth throwing your life away.
I think you're completely misreading it. The guy had likely been looking for some cause to use the gun since he bought it. Not every gun owner is like that (I'm an owner of multiple guns). But there's definitely a subset that don't just want a gun for sport or as a last ditch effort to defend themselves, but instead really want the opportunity to kill someone with it. He thought he had the perfect opportunity to do it and get away with it, given Florida's stupid Stand Your Ground law.
This is a lesson to everyone in any situation. In a country where gun ownership is prevalent and anyone could be reaching for a gun at any time with such ease, it pays to be wary of strangers and your interaction with them. Whether you like someone or not, it pays to be respectful and considerate. Witness 7 said he didn't want to deal with the loud music - he was the smartest one as he read a situation as potentially risky and chose to avoid it.
In a land of a gun you may be respectful and shut your loud music down . Not everyone wants to deal your hangars shit . Not everyone will pass away just because you are loud.
Later knowledge about Dunn revealed that he lived for confrontation, especially when drunk. Michael Dunn met that Michael Dunn finally and destroyed himself. Pathetic.
It's ridiculous to see the measures people go through to lie. I appreciated Rhonda's honesty, I could see how it hurt her to go against her fiance's words but she knew it wasn't just a little white lie, it's serious. It's murder, she knew how stupid it was to escalate a situation that could've been ignored. All of the words that came out of his mouth were so uncaring, inhumane, and overall pathetic. To keep lying, to act to appeal to the jury, and to put lies into a dead person's mouth that obviously can't defend himself.
It's quite amazing the way Mike Dunn continued to push this narrative of him being 'afraid for his life' and 'more scared than he'd ever been in his entire life' throughout the entire investigation in regards to his personal issue with "loud music"...or as his fiancé disclosed, "thug music," because in his mind he really thought the cops or the jury would empathize with him. He didn't show any remorse despite him already being known during these interviews to be the one responsible for one young person's death and others' permanent trauma and loss.
“Strange town in a strange area.” For context, that particular gas station on Bay Meadows is surrounded by golf courses and high income exclusive neighborhoods and luxury apartments. This ain’t Emerson Blvd. My in-laws live just around the corner in a HUGE house in a VERY NICE neighborhood. This dude wasn’t anywhere near Jacksonville’s “hood.” This is an entitled rich boy drunk on alcohol
First time I laid eyes on the young people from the victim' s car and I know what that monster meant by " they're violent" . Murder murder bloody murder! I hope the inmates know how to deal with him!
Rhonda could have easily lied, and changed the whole trial, but she didn't. That means she places 'Right' above all else, a very rare human trait these days. I'm glad he paid for killing that poor kid. Truth is, his Rum and Cokes had made him into Rambo that day and his bullying people to turn off their music was already a well worn routine for him. That might he met his match, but sadly the Rum had done its job on Dunn and we know the rest. RIP Jordan and props to Tommie for getting them out of what could have been an even worse situation.
So basic human decency is supposed to be rewarded now? U know it’s illegal to lie on the stand right? I mean the kid died I doubt he would get off Scot free
I am not an English native speaker and after watching this video many times I translated online „victor“ and this made me think about this case way more negative with respect to Mike. The way of thinking about this issue of being the winner of a fight makes him not stand in a good lighting.
@Altus Show Ahhhh….. makes this even more interesting and makes it more aware for him. I mean he states all happened by accident but there are shining more and more issues through that he was seemingly more aware of what he has done (is doing) . More being an hero in Die Hard Part. X than being within an accident, dealing the wrong way within splitseconds. So thanks for your comment and the clarification regarding the every-day-life usage of his wording ;)
Getting out the danger zone is totally fine. No one can fault you for that. Your number one goal though, in that situation, is to be the first on the horn with the cops...assuming you are innocent lol! The first to call is gonna be seen as the least likely suspect.
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N A2022-01-17 22:56:09 (edited 2022-01-17 23:02:49 )
Poor choices, the self Centered guy tying the life so so many including the woman he loves. What an amazing woman Rhonda is for standing up for the truth, I pray that she’s moved on from this and found someone better. This guy is so selfish and has no emotions for any other life. Condolences to the family and victims involved.
In my opinion, Michael Dunn is definitely a racist thug! When I heard his phone call to Rhonda from the jail saying he was the victor and also the victim made me beyond repulsed.
Shoutout to Rhonda for being an incredible human being and despite being his significant other, she still told the truth and has morals. Oh, and she isn’t racist like Mr. Dunn here. I bet he loved being questioned by another “thug” like he calls those young boys just being teenagers. Tell me running to 711 or making runs to the store as a teenager while listening to your music and living in the moment wasn’t a part of your daily life?
I just can’t get over the fact that he shot 10 times and killed a kid…over music. They were only at the gas station for minutes and the car with the music was leaving so I don’t see why the appropriate reaction would be to shoot at a car 10 times.
He's upset when he talks about his fiancé while on the stand yet shows absolutely no emotion when she's clearly extremely upset and distressed giving her testimony.
To say he’s unremorseful at the news of hearing there was no weapon in the car, in my opinion, is too definite. We don’t know if he was in shock, him processing, or even him wondering if it’s an investigative tactic (or a number of other things I’m not thinking of).
To say he thinks or believes this or that is mucky at this point in the interview.
I had the same kind of young brats pull up next to me when I was filling up at a gas station. I looked over at the car and all 👀 eyeballs were looking at me. Kind of like what are you going to do about it? I smelled trouble with them so I left. Some would say that I am a coward but I think I'm more of a free coward. In the past I didn't leave and I ended up spending that night in jail and getting five more months in jail and losing at lest $38,000 So yeah I learn to walk away from it you gain nothing if you don't
The gun in the glove compartment and rum and cokes in his system made him "brave". What a stupid man. Surely, he could have just moved to another parking spot.
This guy really thought he could just walk in and say he "feared for his life" and walk right out
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Frank Benham2022-01-17 04:01:52 (edited 2022-01-17 06:31:30 )
I know everyone is tired of hearing about race issues, but it's hard to watch this and not think that this guy probably imagined he could get out of this because he was white and because the big scary black men made him "fear for his life".
Edit: I had a different interpretation of Michael getting upset on the stand when asked about his fiancé and his dog. During this point (start around 53:10) he is asked about his fiancé and gives a reply. However, he is more upset when asked if they were living together at the time. Then he regains some composure, but when they begin talking about the dog he gets upset again. The way it goes is he is asked the dog's name. Likely picturing his adorable puppy, Michael smiles quickly, before struggling to get the dog's name out of his mouth. At this point I think he knows he is going away, likely for more than a decade. So when he thinks about living at his house or thinks about his dog, I think he was remembering how much simpler and happier everything was before the incident. I think he also imagined what his life would be like had that incident never happened. Now all of that is gone forever. Likely would make anyone feel sad. Unfortunately, he didn't seem to have a shred of empathy for the boy (Jordan Davis) he killed, the Jordan's family, or Jordan's friends who were likely scarred for life from this incident.
Can we start with the fact that there’s no way in hell I’d ask someone to turn the music down in THEIR car?! If he would’ve minded his business none of that would’ve happened.
especially because it’s not like they’re blasting it in your neighborhood. it’s not like this is something a neighbor was doing to him everyday, making him lose sleep or something. you’re at a gas station. if someone is annoying you at the gas station, leave. no one is forcing you to be there
Astonishing. In the Netherlands we do not carry weapons on the street. When you hear stories like this, how can you maintain that it's a good idea if every crazy person can carry a gun?
It’s wild right? I’m Canadian and live within 100 km of the US border and the difference in “gun culture” is astonishing when you consider how geographically close Canada and the US are. I will never understand why Americans are (in some cases LITERALLY) willing to die on the “gun rights” hill. A lot of Americans don’t understand that their obsession with firearms is the exception and not the rule.
The media loves to focus on terrible cases like this one in the video, but they rarely mention the overwhelmingly more common LEGITIMATE gun uses. You non Americans don't understand that individual freedom and the concept of natural rights are the very foundation upon which our country was built.
Forget the media for a minute and consider this, in the usa there are approximately 30 thousand "gun deaths" annually. Half of those are suicide. The majority of the other half are police/gang related. Very few shootings fall into the categories the media LOVES to promote.
Conversely, firearms are used DEFENSIVELY at a minimum of 500 thousand times annually. Some stats put defensive gun uses at about 1.5 million annually.
The fact is, like it or not, privately held arms in the usa save FAR more innocent lives than they take.
All that having been said, the guy in this video was a shitbag and was definitely in the wrong. I'm glad he's rotting in jail.
But do your criminals carry guns? We carry to protect ourselves from real criminals. Once they can take away guns from criminals, I will gladly give up mine. However, this guy was not under threat. What he did was over react and he committed murder.
@aceman1126 That's fair enough; the media has a huge effect on how non-Americans view the US. I could definitely use a more diverse media diet for sure. I'm happy for any suggestions you have!
I do take issue with "[y]ou non Americans don't understand that individual freedom and the concept of natural rights are the very foundation upon which our country was built." America, like Canada and the Netherlands, was founded on the IDEALS of freedom and natural rights but today those ideals are rarely applied. Plenty of countries fought revolutions against their colonial masters and/or absolute monarchies so it isn't unique to the USA. American Exceptionalism (the belief that most Americans hold that the USA is fundamentally different from any other country in the world) is EXHAUSTING. Also the US was founded on natural rights? For who? White people? At the end of the American Revolution, Black folx were still enslaved, the US government was determined push further west even if it meant displacing and murdering Indigenous people, and women coudn't vote.. Now, to be clear, I'm not suggesting that Canada and the Netherlands are innocent. What Canada did to our Indigenous people is, in my opinion, way worse than what the US did. Not to mention that the Netherlands helped set up the Apartheid system in South Africa. It's okay that you country has flaws, all do.
I hope you're doing well and are looking forward to a relaxing weekend! :) Stay safe out there!
@Patti Peters I see where you're coming from but I wonder if having guns only makes people FEEL safe as opposed to actually increasing safety. Also, I would say that- at least here in Canada, I can't speak for the Netherlands- fewer criminals have guns. Unfortunately, I have been the victim of a violent crime and, in my experience, most attacked with knives. Hope you're having a nice Wednesday! :)
@nolanone what I was getting at was that we codified our natural right and officially acknowledged that said rights apply to all people and are given by God himself and no man or government is supposed to trample on or violate those rights.
What we call the bill of rights isn't what is commonly thought to be a list of rights granted to subjects by their government like a lot of other countries have, rather it is a list of what the government ISN'T allowed to do.
Sure, in the past we messed up and made mistakes like everyone does, however what makes us unique is the cost we collectively paid and continue to pay to ensure those rights are respected and applied to EVERYONE.
It took a while of course but a lot of people here and globally like to shit on the USA for past wrongs and ignore the unprecedented cost in money and blood it too to try and fix the problem. They also seem to conveniently forget that the entire world has been involved in the slave trade and systemic genocide of unwanted peoples, yet the usa is particularly attacked on this front.
Hell, there's more people in slaved today that in the height of the African slave trading days of early America and rarely do people mention it. I proudly support organizations that currently fight slavery across the globe.
And I agree american exceptionalism is annoying to a degree and a lot of ignorant people screech about it, but the reality is that america as a whole despite its flaws has done VASTLY more good than bad. Never has a single country helped more people, ended more poverty, and ensured global stability than the US.
I dont agree with a lot of what we've done in the past or in the present but all in all we're a shit ton better than any other global superpower and the small countries (especially in europe) that a lot of people seem to love and think can do no wrong could ONLY exist in their current form due to USA policies and aid.
So yeah, I think we still kick ass but we also always have work to do.
Don't mean to rant, just intend to express a viewpoint that is often overlooked these days.
@aceman1126 No worries about ranting! I didn't know that about the Bill of Rights! I found your comment interesting and it provides, as you said, an often looked-over viewpoint :)
I think the reason a lot of non-American bring the USA to task on human rights is because of American Exceptionalism. Since the (some parts of the) US government and some of its citizens insist on the exceptioanlism narrative. Also, people love an underdog story and the USA is anything but (though, admittedly, the USA certainly started as an underdog in the beginning). You're right that other countries get a "get out of geonocide" free card, both from its own citizens and/or from the international community. I think my country, Canada, and my fellow Canadians LOVE to ignore our past atrocities (residential schools, Ukrainian & Japanese internment, the Chinese Head Tax, slavery, fighting/supporting wars of aggression.) And let's not even start with the British & French.
I don't know if America has done more good than bad but I do know that most Americans are good people. I have greatly enjoyed my vacations in the USA; people are always friendly and welcoming. I live close to the NY/Ontario border and go over to shop all the time.
That poor kid. Just 17...when i was 17, my friends and i would pile into the jeep for a .5mile trip to the McDonald's stoned af ...any of us coulve just been caught in that EXACT position. Drunken, murder fueled by haye and racism....its just so so sad :(
the explanation of how the cops are interviewing him to make him "not get a lawyer" is a bit disturbing, everyone should get a lawyer every time, it's your right - do it.
It'd be great to get a reaction video from these people watching these videos lol , the criminals, have their jail buddies all sit around and watch with em lol.
@jcs as much as your channel were being f up by YouTube, I really hope if they took down your channel, you will create another one because you will always have our continuous support.
If I lived in America with all those trigger-happy cowboys I would be too scared to say boo to anyone! A child lost his life for no good reason! RIP. Perpetrator has a long time to reflect on what he's done!
disgusting. clearly this man had something against these boys for more than just their music. Calling them thugs, yet he’s the only armed and dangerous one.
the whole made up conversation that he suddenly "remembers" at the trial at the end is actually hilarious. "This shit is going to go down" "you're not gonna kill me, bitch" you couldn't have come up with something better than that?
The fucked up part about this? The officers are doing a good job of calling it, but, there's no doubt in my mind the suspect thought "Oh, it's some black kids, doesn't matter if I kill them, it's get away with it." I'm glad the officers kept sticking it to him. Disgusting bastard...
41:36 later and i'm still waiting for him to say sorry for killing a teenager... Such a heartless monster :/ 46 min later no remorse apart of nogging his head, like unconsciously, even his inner self know its not looking good... Wtf is going wrong with you people??? 52:27 Fake cry xD
If guns were banned, all he could’ve done is got into a fistfight with the kids. Like in my country. Unregulated guns means you’re asking for crimes like this.
Narcissists can convince themselves that they’re the victim, no matter the circumstances. The beginning recording of their conversation tells you that he truly believes he is the victim.
For all the time it would have taken Rhonda to get the water, he couldnt just sit through the loud music?? She was literally at the counter. Another younk kid dies for no reason. I cant believe he sat talking on that phone saying those young boys attacked him....they wldnt have had any time to get back into the god damn car if he was shooting at the from outside thier car
"There was no mention of a shotgun?" - "No." "There was no mention of a barrell?" - "No." ..sooo basically thats a "yes" to that there was a shotgun and a barrell :D
17:00 These gun club guys so eager to pull their pistol on a real target, not trying to put all the eggs in the same basket but damn this is a rotten one.
This is the problem with the free availability of hand guns in U.S.A. if this guy hadnt a gun he would have had to chew his steering wheel for a few minutes and drive up the road ranting to his wife about the black kids and that would have been the end of it.
I'm the victor and I'm the victim too - That aged well The only victor is the guy who sold the amunition, made a buck or two out of it. Everybody else loose.
He should of asked for his lawyer no matter if it's murder or a seat belt ticket , I believe he assumed they had guns didn't see. A gun. And he shoot a bunch of times. He shouldn't of said nothing to them would of solved everything. Nuff said
Makes me think of the Michael Douglas film "Falling Down". Mild mannered guy who is just having a bad day and SNAPS! That or Michael Dunn REALLY didn't like the Durango's music. There's a moral to this story... It's unacceptable to shoot someone for playing their music too loud and flip-side, if someone asks you to turn the jams down, he may shoot you if you don't.
He could have just shot in the air, or not shot at all. Just pulling the gun would scare the people away. All over music? The guy is guilty. His excuses are crap. He doesn't seem bothered that someone is dead.. poor him.
He probably could've gotten way less, if anything if he had just stfu and got a lawyer. I'm not defending him & he got what he deserved. But the main theme in all these interrogations are that fact if the assailant never spoke to police, they probably could have gotten off.
This is one of these cases that make me so conflicted. I can actually understand how this guy feels and why did he do what he did. I get triggered by loud people hitting my ears with their hard bass songs too. I also get adrenaline rush and immediately go into self defense mode when a gang of hoodies starts talking about me in a hostile manner. If I actually heard them say outloud that I'm gonna die I don't know what I would do. I'd be seriously scared for my life too, that's for certain. I know this guy should've just drove some distance away, wait for his gf and get out, not freakin shoot on sight... especially after the car moved and all... I know he weirdly has no remorse, and I know he did a bad thing by not calling police and all. He deserves jail for sure. But those kinds of gangs that make casual life threats without any consequences is cancer of the night life, and they can't be justified either. The guy who got killed never should've been there in such company.
They didn’t make any life threats. This dude was just pissed off because someone he felt was inferior to him was disrespecting him, so thought “I’ll show them” and it got out of hand. I’m sure this dude fantasized about being present during a Robert or something where he could pull out his gun and be the hero.
All the evidence points towards the black kids not making any life threats. This guy clearly made it up to justify killing teenagers out of racist petty rage. The guy who got killed was in the company of friends who wanted to listen to loud music. And gang of hoodies? You sound like you need to get some biases sorted out.
Hey I'm just wondering... isn't failure to report a crime, a crime in itself? If Rhonda Rouer knew what had happened (and it's fairly clear she had figured it out), she could've been charged as well, couldn't she?
I have to say when the detective started his whole line of questioning and confrontation related to "I can't shoot someone because in my mind they have a gun," I kind of lost it. It's like talking to a 5 year old lol
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He's swcewed, I have not even seen all the video but I know he's gone and found guilty. I don't like music loud but I ant pulling no gun unless I believe my life is in danger and the black man had to have been in the car because he was trying to kill them all and I'm white. No that's not justified and if his lawyer can beat this case, he got a good lawyer. Some people just don't need a gun because they get to thinking nobody can say nothing to me because I have a gun. Hes swcewed if they didn't have no gun and he shot the wrong person, that's taking a 17 year old life and u shot all ur bullets and they were trying to get away. He was trying to provoking them because I know they would not say nothing if a gun comes out. I don't believe a damn word about them saying killem. Nobody tells you they are going to kill you because if he didn't see a gun he's lien because he shot more than 9. Return fire, they never shot and he better hope they have a gun. Who cares about what u did and brag about gun skills, u must have not been to good because they seem like they practiced what they were going to say, this is why u don't talk until you have a lawyer because ur going to prison because if u can kill someone else and act like it was nothing, you don't leave the scene because it makes you guilty. He could have went down the road and called the police. He was hoping nobody saw his plate, u never say nothing unless you knew u had something to kill with and I know 💯 percent he would have said nothing without that gun, he's really doomb because nobody had a gun and he can't even say self defense. They had to get away from him and if ur trying to get away, u can't shoot nobody In the back, even In the cowboy days u would be hung if u shot someone in the back because u were called a coward if u did. He is talking nonsense. I would have been crying because I killed someone who had no way to defend himself and he doesn't care and he's not worried about the kid he killed, he's keeps saying I don't want to go to jail, they don't want to hear that
Am I the only one who thinks this man wanted to shoot someone one day? I think that because of how proud he is about being educated on how to shoot guns!
a lot of these cases, where it was a simple argument over something like a parking spot, or loud music like this one-it always seems like these people are just looking for an excuse to take matters into their own hands. itchy trigger fingers
Well the future wife does not get to see or sit in the court room because she just said he doesn't say anything about a weapon, how they didn't get together and say this is what u say, because she left him and she would either testify for the DA or be charged as well and they all ready told her to say he never told u about a weapon, that's the first thing they asked because it made him look like a lier and he just made a bad decision and he has to pay for it
Why does he even feel entitled to try to control other people? Narcissistic and racist. Smh I heard “thug” and cringed like I always do. My goodness and him trying to reason with the interrogators through his stereotypes is disgusting smh. Another innocent black life gone because of a racist person’s ignorance and arrogance. And the trauma that his friends experienced from a random act of violence. RIP Jordan. You didn’t deserve that at all. Such a horrible tragedy. And I hope your friends and family find peace.
His smug expression when he says "fluid motion" 🤢. The interrogators do a great job. "What was the purpose of that?" "To save my life." "From the door?"
Knows that his phone calls are recorded so keeps insisting on his “innocence” and his “victim” status. Shameful. “Do I need a lawyer? It sounds like I’m in deep $hit.” Well, the guy you shot is in deep dirt, but you’re not thinking of him much are ya?
Let’s call it what it is; racism. Even “witness 7” said he didn’t want to park next to the red Durango because he “didn’t want to deal with the music” but they’re really just beating around the bush because they had a preconceived notion of prejudice and racism. They thought “oh great here’s a car filled with black kids they are blasting music they’re probably going to mess with me I “don’t want to deal with it”.
Dunn: I shot into the door. Detective: What was the purpose of that? Dunn: I was trying to save my life. Detective: From the door? Classic. Sad case but that was good 😆
The thing i keep thinking about too is him complaining about music in a parking lot. You’re literally stopping for maybe a total of 20 minutes in a town that isnt even your own. Afterwards you will leave and never see these people again. You literally got agitated over something so small. I just can’t wrap my head around it
I was thinking this too. It's not even like it was in an adjacent hotel room or something. He was stopping for a few minutes while his fiance got wine. Utterly deranged
They were intoxicated, which impairs his ability to think about long term consequences. He likely could not think beyond his emotions in the moment, and probably racist presumptions given the words he's used. Again and again I keep thinking if people just didn't have easy access to firearms this would not be an issue.
@Danitza Porrascorrect, in his past there must have been a similar situation which he couldnt handle in his favour, so that it harmed his selfesteem, thus he tryed to rebuild his selfconvidence with this action, to overlaye the old memorys, to feel superior.
@Francis Ge I understand being intoxicated and not thinking clearly, but if you're that drunk to where you can pull out a gun and shoot at ppl over dumb shit, maybe you shouldn't drink. drunk actions are sober thoughts. also I'm pretty sure he has racist motives
I was wondering that too. I’ve stopped at a gas station and heard loud as fuck music a thousand times and never once have I demanded someone turn it down. This guy was looking to start some shit. The only reason he asked them to turn the music down was because he wanted to assert some type of dominance.
ThaCape Buffalo i’m not sure what my race has to do with it. if you played the first minute to anyone, i think they would assume that someone was actually threatened or in danger. he didn’t say anything about their race in the first clip, for all i knew at the beginning of the video, he could’ve been getting robbed and he shot him, it could’ve been anyone who did it.
@Anna House you could tell he was full of crap from the 1st minute though....you assumed he was the victim because of your racial desposition...regardless if the victim was black or not
@Sydney Roth Are you kidding me? He kept calling them "thugs" over and over and over again, because they listened to real music, and because they're black. He had no other discernable reason to say that, and no other reason to assume that they had a gun. Also, he almost never looked at the black officer when he spoke to him, but kept looking at the white officer. How can that not be about race?
@Sydney Roth And you were saying he wasn't a racist. You were making the bullshit argument that this wasn't about race. It was about the kids' race, and you know it. That's why you said that "first minute" bullshit. His motive was their race.
@Prosperity's Soaps No dummy, we're talking about the first minute. His motive was obviously race. But you can't imply that from the first minute which doesn't mention race.
@SavageMindSavageLife No, I think that they just didn't catch it. Different life experiences, ya know? You guys caught it, it went right over their heads at first. Edit: It really shouldn't have been such a big deal if they didn't start verbally attacking everyone for no reason, though.
Prosperity's Soaps rite?!? Like why do they have to start calling people stupid in the YouTube comments? They act like anyone who disagrees with them is a piece of shit. I notice this a lot with people commenting on YouTube. People are so angry Btw I noticed it from the first minute , first off even if I was in jail I would listen to my wife and how she is doing instead of bitching about being in jail. Like he cut her off and started telling her he’s the victim. Plus he called them thugs? Like he sounds hateful and obsessed with himself in the first couple seconds
@Aurorasfamily Productions Agreed. I mean, it went over my head at first, but when other pointed it out, I was like, "ohh. Duh." And I noticed it more afterward.
As soon as he said I was the Victor not only the victim i found that statement was way out of place for someone who found the situation unfortunate... that was the utterances of someone with a pretty big chip on his shoulder, and portrays a person with a superiority complex.... even down to the description of how skilled he is with a firearm, almost glorifying himself and his skills... this isn't a remorseful, scared individual, this is a guy with serious egotistical issues
I don’t know why everyone’s so upset about the age. A 17 year old threatening you isn’t any less dangerous than a 40 years old doing it. Obviously I’m this case they weren’t a threat and it was unjustified but the age doesn’t really matter
@UCdx52IqV10H_7pqM88txrLg not to mention you’re the only one fighting for your ideas here, I can see you talking with other people about how those of color should lose their lives because apparently the world revolves around you...? I could be extremely disrespectful just as you have been to multiple people here, but I decide to stay more composed and mature about this situation.
2:20 - "I'm the victor, but I was the victim too." - This is a fascinating statement. It's is beautiful in how it succinctly demonstrates his thought processes.
Maybe you are trolling but if not then I would suggest you try and put aside your ideological viewpoints and analysis this sort of thing through a more objective lens.
“Lips which are pulled inwards from all directions are an indication of tension and may indicate frustration or disapproval. Pursed lips are a classic sign of anger, including when it is suppressed. It is effectively holding the mouth shut to prevent the person saying what they feel like saying.”
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@Rabbi Coomershekel McPornstien don't think we can sit here like we're cool consuming criminology while we're making jokes about the horrific state of sexual assault in prisons. Criticizing Dunn cos he has exposed his deep true self while exposing your own... Ur embarrassing urself 😬 toughboy
Yeah that part actually took me by surprise. Without even knowing what this was really about I just instantly felt like that sounded so bold, selfish, and childish. It was almost like he knew he was being cheeky, the way he said it. Like he relishes in it when fantasises about the idea of others glamourising his actions the way he does.
He appears to see himself as the sort of militia man, capable of doing what needs to be done and using his skills with a firearm to protect him and his loved ones. That honestly seems to be how he sees it, his voice becomes so dramatic and invested, more creative, when he's talking about the actual event and his role in it.
It's really creepy but it shows how stupid he is. The act alone shows that. Guy got a little boozed and thought he'd try to out-gangster some kids who were probably just doing what most groups of young men do. Yeah, they probably were boisterous, maybe one of them did call him a bitch and say he'd kill him. Who fucking cares.
There was clearly no way that those guys were going to randomly starting shooting up some crusty, disgusting old white guy just because he was mouthing off. I think that also shows you a lot about the way he views these guys.
He is clearly harbouring some sort of repressed or redirected racism where he is consistently characterising the victims as thugs or implying they would have weapons. I have little doubt that there is racism in his mind and even if it was not a major part of it, it will likely have played a part in how this all turned out.
I am not one to harp on about racism and stuff like that, I don't really like how sensitive people have become and "isms" are often used as social weapons to manipulate crowds of people. Still, I really think there was a component of that in this.
It feels like it fits with what I imagine when I try to put myself in his mind, to understand why he did it. I genuinely believe that he is insecure to a point that he perceives these young, black men as a threat to his manliness. He seems them being loud and abrasive as an affront to his right to silence as a man. Rather than simply rise above it, his pathetic, childish behaviour came out and he felt compelled to further challenge them.
As this was going on he was no doubt probably already beginning to characterise them more and more as villainous, a threat. That obviously built to a point in his mind where he felt sufficiently frustrated by their taunts, and excited by his combination of alcohol and adrenaline, that he decided to simply shoot them to assert his dominance.
I think the alcohol and adrenaline play a big part in it too. Alcohol fuels fantastical thoughts, if you've ever caught yourself alone (maybe in a pub or club toilet), you will more keenly notice how strongly alcohol effects your actual thought process. Most of the time with alcohol you don't really feel as if you are changing much unlike other drugs where you really notice a stark difference in perspective or just how you feel.
Those thoughts were probably underlying and because he was drunk he was feeling more keen to fight, more sensitive to his already wounded self-esteem, more excited by the rush of chaos that adrenaline brings, and more compelled to take a big step and completely throw caution to the wind to "out-thug the thugs" whilst protecting his woman and righteously gunning down the threat to his town.
His actions after imply he didn't give a shit that he'd killed someone and he wasn't worried about their rebuttal because he knew they weren't going to attack him to begin with. Probably after he sobered up, and the adrenaline wore off, he begin to feel terrible but only because he realised he would inevitably get caught. His worry, sadness or anxiety can all be explained by the fact he knows he's facing life in prison.
Everyone knows that feeling of waking up hung over and remembering what you did the night before in horror. Or worse, you can have "the doom" when you don't remember and your entire day (sometimes week) is spent uncovering whatever damage you wrought.
That's because alcohol lowers your ambitions, it fuels your passions, it narrows your view, it limits your appreciation of anything beyond what is in front of you. It emboldens your imagination and heightens your emotions. That's why alcohol is such a good thing for causing fights, rows, and all other manner of passionately driven thing. Sex. You name it, there's probably way more examples i'm forgetting.
Adeline added into that mix is terrible. If you are really drunk and then you feel threatened, or get flooded with adrenaline for any reason, you become more animalistic. You realise there is a threat but you also understand (because adrenaline sobers you up to some degree) that your senses are dulled and you are vulnerable because of the alcohol. It makes you react quite chaotically and violently. This is why people can hurt those they really care about even if they have no abusive tendencies at all.
Someone who is appropriately inhibited will often begin to see most things as a threat as they begin to feel more vulnerable and act more violently or erratically as a result.
I think this was a case of an insecure cunt, who looks as disgusting as the darkest crease of satan's asshole, who has delusions of grandeur and a general selfish focus on his fantasy life. Someone who thinks all day about what they want to be but never tries to become it, that disparity and disconnect becoming more apparent as they age (as it often does) until they are forced to face their own pathetic, disgusting existence.
When that happens all you may have to do is throw in alcohol and the fantastical whims of the animal brain will begin to force you to act erratically and selfishly in pursuit of becoming what you want to be perceived as.
I think that basic logic underlies why many people do what they do, and I don't think anyone can ever really truly claim to "not care what others think" when they belong to the human race. Our species has thrived, and entirely relies, on collective effort and the power of numbers, socialisation. It is central to pretty much everything we do, people pretty much suffer horrific physical and mental damage if isolated and can literally just die.
I think that's what this is. Its just an example of how people can be selfish assholes who are reckless and rash, how we can kill each other and how life is not just like a game. Life is life, you behave a certain way you get no start over. You kill someone, sorry mate but its life in bars or a needle in the arm.
The story may be tragic all round as he suffers for his pathetic life and his brash, insecure actions; the victim's family and friend is traumatised for life; probably hundreds of people are effected by the death and overall a few minutes of intense recklessness wrought all that.
I think that is pretty much just the human condition as a whole. I believe everyone, including myself, is capable of terrible things for really shitty reasons. I think we should all be incredibly aware of that capability so we don't become a slave to bad habits, stop ourselves from indulging in things we know are wrong, build skills, increase your knowledge, become more capable, engender positivity and progress, be unstoppable. Those are my goals, I want to be a force of nature but for a good reason.
I'm not even saying I want to save the world or do anything significant, I just want to be the type of person who is driven by principal and overall just leaves things more positively than when I left them. That takes a lot of work and I still fail often, but at least i'm trying.
I think this is what happens when you don't try, you age, you allow life to drag you down and you begin to crumble and give into basic, animal-like behaviour because you face your mortality in ignorance, you face the reality of the world with spite and distain and you look at the world as an extension of only your own story.
It can be incredibly hard to gain new perspective. The world is an extremely complicated place when considered in its entirety. Too much nuance and minutiae in every little thing for anyone to ever be able to perceive it all, at once, and be thoughtful to every facet. However, I think we should work towards that because otherwise we'll just stay as stupid, filthy animals rolling around in our own shit, setting fire to our own houses, shooting our own kind, and generally just being overall pretty cunty people.
This is why he's interesting. Any normal thinking person cannot understand how he could consider himself to be the victim.
In general, those who kill others in self defense will be distraught as it's such an awful thing to have done. Even when they are absolutely within their rights, killing another person will put them in a state of shock. Dunn fails to demonstrate any guilt or shock, and this is key to understanding him.
You latched on to a physical feature and related it to a current politician apropos of nothing. This is a clear demonstration of a political agenda despite your claim of a simple aesthetic observation.
Baron Thundercunt Yes a good synopsis of the human condition in some people. I do think in his drunken state he did feel threatened but went for the reasons you said went right over the top. The downside of alcohol for sure . It has caused so much misery in so many situations for so many people.
@Laughing Achilles Noticing a similarity has nothing to do with ideology. It's literally an objective observation you dunce. Also I think it's quite healthy to express disagreement towards any ideology that calls nazis "fine people" :)
@dagmastr12 Without having watched the whole thing, plenty of attackers are killed, and just because they are killed does not mean they are the "victim". Especially when the dead was the attacker. I'm not saying this is so in this case, but obviously, not all who die in an altercation are "victims".
@Sean Winters tds is pathetic attempt to reflect any accusation toward djt and frame it as if they were without merit and presented in bad faith. Way to dodge criticism without counterarguments. Tool of people who know they are wrong.
@Sean Winters viewing person as member of a group of people instead of an individual, responsible of his groups actions instead of his personal actions, what is that?
@PokeriLaama It's racism, just like the concept of white privilege. But no, it's only bad when one group does it, not the other(sounds like me racism to me.)
Go ahead, hypocrite. Explain why it's okay when one group is racist and not the other.
Rob Romeo not deluded, he knew the call was being recorded, he just wanted to paint himself in the best possible light to try to get out of or at least minimize the trouble he is in.
Some Thing We got an edgelord out here. You see the joke is clearly humorous because it’s edgy and has no other aspect of a good joke that might make someone laugh. Thank you for contributing to the internet with your wise words sir edgelord, and may you go on to randomly say the n-word in the name of attention seeking.
@OdinsCloud Yes, in the perfect world people show respect. But is also true - in the perfect world adults show restraint and don't pull guns and act like thug gang members, like Dunn did. The laws on self-defense were written with Dunn in mind and that is why he was convicted and lost two appeals.
@Paula Lins He never mentioned once that they were black, not once. You are saying that he is racist, because he is white, don´t you? This is called racism. So you have no right to call someone a racist, while being a racist yourself.
I wouldn't say he is a monster because he has no remorse although that does appear to be true he definitely needs to go to jail but there are far worse people out there that target individuals in far worse ways this was a bit of a random act of madness.
That poor woman, oh wow.. when they asked whose idea it was to stop at the gas station, she hesitated before she said 'mine' really softly. I know she may have been trying to decide whether to lie or not (not saying she was, just saying that's a possibility for the hesitation), but I believe I saw and heard so much regret in her, blaming herself. "If only I hadn't decided on that..." If you ever read this, please remember none of this was your fault. 0% of this was your fault. You did not do a thing wrong by making that choice and you could not have predicted this.
He would have done something else the next day. Never seen someone so detached. When was last time after you shoot someone you go home take your dog out and go to sleep ? He is a piece of shit and belongs in prison. Incredible that he truly believes he is the victim. That is his reality and no one will ever change it, no matter what.
I don't think she hesitated bc she thought she might not admit it was her idea to stop ... I think she hesitated bc, like you said, she feels like this whole thing was her fault. I don't think the woman has it in her to lie. It's rare to see such honesty in a person these days. She's definitely lucky to have found out her fiance had such malice and evil in him.
Rohan Luke I find it funny how a teenager has so much more critical thinking than someone who appears to either be an adult or a heavily indoctrinated child. I recommend you listen less to just Fox News, and more than just what you enjoy.
@Kirk TV That's exactly why she was halting with her answer -- she felt guilty (which is why I gave the original poster a partial thumbs up for everything except thinking an option could be her contemplating lying).
Besides there being no point to lying about who's idea it was to stop, it's obvious that she hesitated because, like anyone in her position, she'd naturally be playing the 'what if' game.
@I Em Hoo I Iz I don't think she could have saved him. He got out of the car and kept shooting as they were fleeing. That throws any illusion of "fearing for your life" out the window.
If those 4 dudes never got out of their car, and didn't point any weapons at Dunn.... then this guy had NO justification to fire at them !!! 2nd degree murder.
This guy is making me sick to my stomach, kiling a kid simply because he talked back at him. And then these crocodile tears in court, NOT because of the kid but boohoohoo I was so scared for my fiance. YECH!!!
I wonder if he was having some kind of PTSD or anger issues. A hair trigger temper like that wouldn't have come without some kind of warning signs. He should have been under watch before he murdered a bunch of kids.
@Alex Buchanan There was a warning sign obviously. When he said he didn't like that "thug" music, his fiancee replied "yes, i know". He clearly had prejudice toward these children for more than just their volume of music. He can't even look the officers in the eyes while being questioned. He is looking at their feet, his hands, or the note pad. He gets clearly agitated when the officer in blue begins questioning him. That behaviour, at least where I am from, is not abnormal in people like him.
@Steve Purcell In any case he fired several shots at the vehicle. They attempted to flee for fear of their lives, and he still fired more shots. He felt no remorse for killing a 17 year old child. An unarmed child that was no threat to him. He lied to the police, but you see justification in the murder of this young man? The child threatened his life by playing loud music he didn't like?
@Alex Buchanan I have PTSD and I can't speak for everyone but I'm not gonna pull a gun out and shoot someone! I'm currently living in volatile abusive situation with constant triggers and I still wouldn't shoot someone. Ever
@Jxmi Official animals? The CHILD he shot was a human being. He had a mother and father. He had a future ahead of him, and that was snuffed out by that monster in cold blood. The only animal I saw in that situation was the one who murdered a person whose only transgression was being a regular teenager, and talking back to a privileged beast.
The way he expects everyone to just go along with his story and how he genuinely thinks "fearing for his life" is an excuse to kill a harmless kid, makes me wonder how much racism he got away with before he reached this age.
Well Zimmerman got away with it then sold the gun he used at auction for a quarter million $ so it’s not too far fetched to think he could have gotten away with it.
@Jonathan King I don’t know what you’re talking about. You need solid evidence to prove it’s racism rather than making assumptions. Eminem is white - some people discriminate because of music and style and hip hop culture, regardless of skin colour there are both black and white people who consider it “thug music”. I’m not discriminating them because of their choice of music, but the murderer could have been. Lots of a*** holes like him are judgemental - doesn’t mean I am. I went through a phase of listening to all of that and 2Pac so how can I judge. Like I said, racism IS possible and feasible but it’s not proven beyond any reasonable doubt. Talking about burning crosses is silly. Use a level head instead of emotions. Facts and truths are far more important than expectations and beliefs.. he certainly seems like an evil racist man, it’s possible he was stereotyping rather than being racist. If you’ve ever seen a group of white or Asian kids listening to hip hop they are often judged in the same way for their style and music rather their skin tone … it’s just a hunch and I am not one for following sheep just to gain approval. I want hard evidence and not a popularity vote.
@Jonathan King i’m british too & the word thug here in the uk is absolutely used as a racist word towards black people/culture, dude is 100% talking out of his ass
@Jonathan King someone has been googling … you’re going all over the place now and have gone off on a tangent. I think you just enjoy arguing, namely because you’re intolerable and narcissistic- so you’re clutching at straws.
@Brindians he is clearly racist no way he would have done that to a car full of white teenagers everything he said points to him being a racist but I see you just want to argue with people
@Lucky Luke I have the same notion. The discussion whether or not he is a racist is irrelevant after he made those shots and killed other human being. Btw the word "thug" is used for any skin colour here in Ireland for describing anyone up to no good who is prone to committing a crime of some kind.
@MotaShotta He is a murderer. Without remorse as the court recording proves. Assumptions about him being a racist are assumptions. I don't see any point in disputes over that. The murderer was sentenced. Racism is not good and better be fought in the local communities rather than having this hero stance against racism here in the comments section.
@Brindians why doubt they were listening to Mozart? Lmaaao your true colors show. Obviously they were listening to rap based on what was said in the video but still. You realize that black people are largely responsible for the creation of rock and roll right? Not every black person just listens to rap.
@Kmmz 444 analysing data, complex cases information is my job - of 20 years. You need to be 100% correct and precise and evidence should be conclusive and not speculative. The stupid thing is, I’ve not denied he’s racist. I’ve said there is no solid and conclusive evidence that he definitely is. And I am 100% correct in my assertion. But because you all get emotional you can’t handle any kind of questioning - it’s a dangerous society when you can’t question things because of the sheeple getting upset and offended. I’m speaking the truth.
@Kmmz 444 I’ve also fired people and saved their asses - and I can assure you, when you’re making life changing decisions that can change peoples futures you really do learn to question every fine detail.… I’m sharing my wisdom here guys. I’m technically an old lady with a lot of life experience and ups and downs … criminology is a fascinating subject because things can shock you and are not always what they seem. There was a case about a man who was walking by and saw an open window, he went in the house through the window and urinated on the carpet and stole a worthless photo frame. When he was questioned he had no prior convictions and he was assessed by professionals as sane and deemed to have no motive. In this case, he committed a crime without motive but it proves that people can commit crimes without there being a motive such as “race” - although race as a motivating factor is a good possibility here, it’s not a 100% definite. The man who urinated on the carpet was deemed to have had a moment of impulsivity where he was compelled to do what he did - without any other reason. The human mind is so complex like that - people need to consider this.
Put another way, hypothetically, if any of you lot are ever implicated in a serious crime (I hope you never are) and there are suspicions of your guilt (even if innocent) - you’d want your case to be analysed fairly and with a fine toothed comb and you’d want evidence to be used without bias or speculation. Now, whilst we can all agree that THIS murderer deserves whatever he gets (whether he’s racist or not he still murdered someone so it doesn’t really matter anyway) if it were any other case, or if YOU were accused of something, you’d soon come to respect it when people analyse your case thoroughly. You’d be pretty annoyed if you saw YouTube threads with everyone saying “oh yeah he did it - definitely a psycho or a homophobe or a racist” - you’d want truth not speculation. It doesn’t matter here because this man is definitely guilty anyway so you can call him whatever you like really, but because the same principle can apply if someone is innocent - yes it’s important to get it right and be factual about motives. Also, the true motive of a crime can impact someone’s sentencing.
@MotaShotta Since forever. There has yet to be laws in place against having a distaste for a given race. That's like thoughtcrime, my dude.--That said, Canada is working on it.
Imagine being that woman. Your picking up wine after a wedding, excited to continue a fun night with your fiancé. But in the time it took for you to go in and buy wine, the person you love more than anyone in the world got so mad about some loud music that he guns down a 17 year old in cold blood. The person you love and trust, suddenly transforming into a complete monster, over some hip hop.
@Jack O’Rourke you know damn well what thug music means lmao.
He probably would have asked them to turn it up if it was Kenny Rogers and not Kendrick Lamar.
Although I guess Dunn is so racist he probably could have convinced himself that Beethoven was actually 2 Live Crew and found a reason to start popping off anyway
Horrific. Reminds me of that scene in Frends when Phoebe moves in with the cop....the man she thought was perfect....until he shoots a bird for singing in the morning...but tragic and not funny.
He wasn't suddenly transforming. This racist behaviour was there when she met him. The violent tendencies, the escalating. It was all part of his personality. I'll bet on that
It wasn’t “in cold blood”. He was clearly quite angry and didn’t have time to reflect about the situation. But of course that doesn’t justify any of what he did.
@Jack O’Rourke bro shut up. That was the most likely scenario thethe majority of us blank people listen to it. So we’re gonna use the majority in this case
I have so much respect for her for not trying to paint him in a better light during her interviews. She told the facts exactly like they were, even though she easily could have lied to say that yes he was afraid at the hotel, etc, and continue the narrative that "he was afraid of retribution".
Rhonda should've left him way before this happened. She's lucky to be alive herself. You cant tell me he didn't abuse her, at the very least, emotionally. Listen to her demeanor talking with police, and compare it when she's on the phone with him. He even terrifies her on the phone.
Not taking anything away from this guy, but that's the power of alcohol. It brings out these tendancies in some people. And people hate on weed instead smh.
@Roxanne Moser and she’s terrified during the trial!! Actually saying things against him in front of him terrifies her. I feel so awful for this woman. Other people are saying she knew who he was but she’s terrified of him
"I'm the victor", that says it right there. He counts himself as the winner of the exchange because he shot at a bunch of kids who were having fun. He ended a life, he traumatized probably the rest of those kids and others who were there potentially, and he's going to prison probably for the rest of his life. That isn't winning, that's being a cowardly sack of shit.
Not to mention completely tainted the wedding night of his son and daughter-in-law. Every anniversary they celebrate will be the anniversary that his dad murdered a child in cold blood.
@Luc Laflamme its funny bcuz witness 7 stated that he parked away from the car bcuz the music was loud. And that there was an empty spot nxt to witness 7's car where he could've parked but instead he parked nxt to the car with the loud music. Not only did he choose to park there but thn he choose to say something. And then after the driver gets into the car he starts talking to them AGAIN. Not only did he not hav to wind his window back down the 2nd time. 1zt time sure. He asked nd thy did turn the music down. He said thank u nd the music starts again. If thy clearly didnt care the 1st time u asked y continue to entertain the young men? On top of that. He winds down his window a 2nd time and speaks directly to the only one is the car who is defensive to resume the verbal. And bcuz he was speaking to him "yes, i am talking to you" he shot him 3x and murdered him? And after those 3 shots that murdered his target in the 1st 45 SECONDS!!! Of the shooting he continued to shoot off another 5-6 shots? And those 5-6 shots were staggered. He shot 2 while the car reversed hitting the front door nd thn continued while the car fled. Ill nvr understand how in any moment during this entire situation did he feel his life was in danger. Those 3 boys DID fear as thy drove away being shot at, but sadly the 4th boy died b4 he could've even been afraid bcuz he shot straight at him.
@Leo Vasquez you‘re literally trying to make these kids look like they‘re in any way shape or form responsible for being shot at 10 times and one of them being murdered in cold blood? how sick can you be
@Kerchoo. so are you implying the 17 year old ww2 soldiers were not men. Your brain fully develops in your 20s so 18 and 19 yr olds are children too? I didn’t say they deserved to die. I said don’t provoke and be surprised at repercussions. Do you tease a dog then play the victim when it bites you.
@Kerchoo. I’m not defending him. He got what he deserved. He shouldn’t have shot them nor said anything to them. I’m saying don’t be surprised when you confront someone.
@EREX98 ignoring things that you know will take you to a point like that, to shoot literal KIDS? That’s now being an adult, that’s childish asf. Adults ignore things and have a much better temperament, or at least they should, since they’re ADULTS (18+) those kids were still in high school. There’s no excuse. Because toddlers are annoying, but you shouldn’t hit or hurt them. Same with developing young adults. Sheesh man😕
@KGNT messing with the wrong one = possible death sentence. That’s common sense. Something I had as a teenager. Living in Flint, Mi teaches you that ;)
no. you dont always assume people will attack you. you ask them to turn down the music, they attack and NOW you are scared of them, so you retaliate. I havent watched the video so i dont know the full case but that statement isnt true
Or just park elsewhere. This guy just wanted to be a tough guy with his gun. I believe it was the perfect opportunity for him. My thinking is that he was trying to kill them all, hence firing so many shots. If he was truly afraid, he would have warned them or fired a warning shot (if he believed he was truly on danger). He's a maniac.
repsandgrooves — It’s hard to tell exactly what his intent was.... At first I didn’t think he intended to kill them or else he would’ve shot directly through the glass, but I didn’t know bullets from a hand gun were strong enough to go through car doors!..... Yikes. He kept on saying “I shot at the door” like he didn’t know the bullets can go through it. My guess is that he was just pissed and wanted to shoot up the vehicle.
@MISC i never called u stupid.. you should read the whole comment just like you should have watched the whole video. but if you’re scared of a bear your not gonna walk up to it and ask it not to go through your camp site... it’s just smart to ignore something if it’s imposing a threat
@Connor Jones angry old dude wasn't about to have some kids back talk him. Even in the interrogation you can see parts where he tries to use trigger words to get off. Saying things like "I feared for my life". Later on the stand turned into "clear and present danger". Icarus flew too close to the sun that day
@MISC And as for my first response, I'm not sure why it's not showing up as I would like it to (although I did send it from my phone) but it seems that is a common occurrence for comments nowadays.
@MISC i mean, ok show the gun and/or shoot in the air one, two. if they are still not afraid, maybe hit in the tires, but not like bam bam bam ~10 shoots in the middle of the care. come one...
In my opinion I think he drank too much liquid courage at the wedding reception and was picking a fight. If the thug music was so damn loud and hurt his ear as Michael Dunn put it....why did park so close to their vehicle that he couldn't completely open his car door without hitting the red trunk when there where other open parking spaces? The coward felt tough bullying kids I doubt he would ask 3 adult Hells angels to turn their music down..
6:55 I’m kind of irritated that they have edited out part of the testimony. What did Jordan say to Mike Dunn that pissed him off when Dunn said “You talking to me?”? I don’t like editing (when it’s censorship). As far as the guilt of Dunn goes, it doesn’t matter — nothing justifies what he did. But I feel like it was cut from the video to avoid ignorant comments, and that is dangerous. That’s the slippery slope we’ve been on for the last couple of years. Social media has deemed themselves the babysitters of the world; THEY’ll decide what is good for you and what is bad for you, what might upset you, or what might hurt your feelings, and they’ll hide it from you TO PROTECT YOU. Like the jab — it’s all for your own good.
The guy strikes me as a person who was itching for any provocation to use his gun so to prove to the world what a real man he is when in fact he is a mealy-mouthed coward.
@Jennifer Really? That's strange since there are approximately 150 million gun owners in the US while the Republican Party has approximately 72 million members. The 2nd Amendment applies to all American citizens who haven't forfeited their rights by committing a felony, not just those members of a certain party.
@Jennifer I'm not a conservative by any means, but I can't agree with that. And how do you own guns, and never touch them? Wouldn't you want to know how to properly handle a gun in the event you need to use it for self defense? Stop lying just to prove a point.
@Jaqen H'ghar Correct you are. The NEW conservatives are ideological culture warriors who are fueled by fear and looking for ANY reason to be the victim...and are over-reactive because they lack prognostic. logical cognitive-thinking skills. All that is POLAR opposite of what the conservatives were in this country just a couple decades ago.
@catch 2022 Spelled with a hyphen, "mealy-mouthed" or as a single word, "mealymouthed". Def. Unwilling to state facts or opinions simply, directly, and with sincerity; communicates in a deceitful and disingenuous manner; speaks with a forked-tongue.
As a legal conceal carrier who has my firearm every waking moment on my (unless where not legally allowed), people like this make me sick to my stomach. This is what gives responsible gun owners a bad name.
@Rhea B I'm a conservative. But to be fair almost all others like me all have dreams of self defense. Nothing wrong with it, but obsessing on it can be dangerous.
People who have to kill in self defense are also not "fine". It's super traumatic to them. If I had to do something like that, I would be so messed up I wouldn't eat anything for a week, but this guy was ordering pizza that same night. He's clearly a psychopath who wanted to do something like this for years and finally got his chance.
his friends are probably better off without him. I do feel sorry for them for their trauma and for Rhonda, I just have no sympathy for either psychopath michael nor death threat guy
Definitely! I think the suspects racism plays into both why he felt so threatened by a car full of boys and his callous interview responses with the detective. He might not see African Americans as equal
@memomorph so far I don't see how racism plays into it. I think that if a couple of "thuggish looking white guys were blasting music at a gas station he would have had the same reaction. He's a text book narcissist, and I guarantee you he treats everyone he sees as a "thug" equally as bad. Sure, he could very well be a racist, but there's really no indication of such.
The man who's "Witness 7" and said he saw the red durango, heard the loud music and "didn't want to deal with it" was easily the smartest person in this whole situation. If a tense situation is present and you're not involved, just avoid it.
What drives me mad is that he literally had to deal with the music for like what, 5 minutes?? And he would of drove away and would probably never see them again..smh
I am a white man from Europe, living in a 99.8% white comunity. But even I can see that this guy was clinging onto a privilege he felt he had in that moment to feel fairly superior to that bunch of teenagers. And it wasn't the age angle. I wonder if he ever realized the music was just a frame for the culture had to teach a lesson. Also, well played as a victim, bro! Just think of the heartfelt tear he shed for the dog. Devastating.
Richard Porter You sound like a hater as well. Not surprising though, there are lots of you out there. Just hope you can hold your temper, else you could end up in jail for the rest of your life like Michael Dunn.
I don’t know why you are jumping down Richard’s throat you harridans. He just provided the shooter’s likely rationale for rolling down his window. No need to jump him for perceived wrong think lol
It was really brave of her to tell the truth when they asked her if Dunn had told her about the kids having a gun, especially with her psychotic fiance right there
How about he a knowledge the three young men who had to watch their friend die- or perhaps the agony and pain the parent’s feel. “That sucks”- he is exactly where he should be.
That’s why I cannot have gun! I can’t handle an argument or a threat. A lot of people are like me too. It’s best to assume everyone else has gun and know that I don’t so I can just let things go or try to avoid trouble altogether.
he actually said "i refused to be the victim". meaning he was not going to be the victim here, hence why he grabbed his gun and shot at those poor kids.
Thank you for covering this. Holy shit, I remember hearing about this right after it happened and it just made me sick. Murders, killings, death, all are upsetting. But something about this one stuck out and made me especially sad and baffled and horrified.
He killed a boy for pride. Drunken, racist pride. And that just haunts me.
I doubt he was drunk if he really only had 4 rum and cokes at the wedding in 3 hours time. That's how many drinks Rhonda said he had and she didn't lie about anything else.
He is repulsive. You can tell that he thought he could talk the cops into sympathizing with him and walk out of there a free man. He's just oozing with entitled hubris. He's absolutely not sorry that he took the life of a 17-yr. old kid.
@Zachary Odom This young man was not someone to implicate in his lies by saying something like he was afraid for life and everyone in the car. Who knows how the mind of a liar works? His entire story was spun out if whole cloth. It would be naive to think that juries aren't somewhat influenced by a person's background. The more the defense can dirty up the young men in that car, the more they would salivate over it. They were barking up the wrong tree with this young person. They didn't have anything against him to try to present him in an unsympathetic light! I'm looking at this through the eyes of a defense lawyer not as someone with a moral compass. I don't think anyone should be murdered, unless it's in self-defense. Since my statement wasn't clear, I'll amend it or delete it.
I was so terrified and thought my life was in danger that I fled to my hotel, ordered a pizza, took my little dog for a walk, played some Candy Crush on my phone, and then went to bed and slept soundly till the next day. So scared.
Imagine putting the person you "love" so much through this hell, attempting to coax her into committing perjury and lie to the faces of two parents of the kid you murdered.
Yep. I mean even if i was annoyed by the rudely loud music I would still say nothing. Just get what you need and leave. (And yes i think anyone playing music super loud to where everyone near by can hear it is rude. And its usually teenagers.)
@E. Sterling especially in areas where people come and go. If it were a residential situation, that'd be different but even then a firearm shouldn't be brandished or used even in that situation. This guy deserves time.
literally like 😭 its a parking lot he literally couldve just drove to a different spot or even to a different store but he acted like he was stuck beside them in an enclosed space. he was absolutely looking for an altercation
A man politely asks a fellow man to turn his loud music down, the other man is polite and turns the music down, then the thug in the back seat had to start problems and threaten to kill because he didnt want the music down, and a man prepared to defend himself and out of fear overreacted. To bad the thug in the backseat didnt just keep his mouth shut
@No View there was at least a teen in there. Young people are usually immature. This guy is racist. If they really were planning on shooting on him they couldve shot back at least once. He was calm, and he had time to shoot. This was disgusting especially the amount of times he shot
@Jason B Yeah but thing is most people HAVE listened to other music and know what they like and dont like. They dont need educated by random people about different types. Its incredibly rude and selfish to blast your music so loud and not care that its disturbing other people. Doing that is saying i only care about MY wants, and just disregarding anyone elses. A lot time that selfishness goes away with maturity. Theres a reason why we dont drive down the street and constantly hear everyones car blaring loud music, (whether rap, classical, rock etc.) And thats because its largely accepted that its rude. And for example i highly doubt those teens (in this specific case) would have enjoyed listening to someone else in that parking lot playing loud operatic music. They too would have been annoyed. (And I'm not defending this guys behavior btw.)
Even if you had to stay for a minute or two you can listen to your own music or tune it out. It's not that hard. I do it all the time when people blast country or mumble rap.
@E. Sterling then what exactly are you defending?? Teens being teens?? Yeah they should learn more respect. But Id assume that when something bothers u, u leave. Not shoot someone.
@No View here's the same scenario under different light... An intoxicated man with an admitted hate of what he categorized as "thug music" passive-aggressively requests strangers who are enjoying themselves to turn down their music for his agitated sake. The first young man complies, the other young man protests (within his rights to do so) and the intoxicated man rolls down his window to confront the protesting young man. Why? Pride? Liquid balls? Had he not had the gun in the glovebox, what options would he have had? Exit the vehicle and have a physical confrontation with the agitated teen? But since he had the gun, he escalates, as the investigator said, from 0-100 and never stopped at 50. Too bad they didn't get his BAC at the time it happened, because I'm sure the rum & cokes he had were a big contribution to his thought process and actions. Too bad the intoxicated thug with the gun didn't just keep his window up and his temper down.
@No View eye witness testified that it was Dunn who was shouting, didn’t hear those kids say anything threatening. His own fiancé testified that he made no mention of any gun waved at him. Why don’t YOU keep your mouth shut
@Tucker Im 23 about to be 24 and I play my music loud sometimes too. Just because someone else is annoyed doesn't mean you have to not be happy. I think its just crazy this kid had to lose his life bc of some racist white man in a bad mood.
The initial exchange was handled like an adult where he asked and they complied. The guy turning it back up and talking back about the situation was childish. Shooting the guy for being childish was criminal
@Lobuttomize He wasn't acting childish, he was a child. Even a grown adult would be annoyed by a crusty old dude screaming at them for no reason, obviously a teenage boy isn't going to respond with unquestioned compliance and agreement. Nobody reacts politely to negative confrontation.
@Lobuttomize There is witness testimony stating that the only person they heard yelling was him yelling at the boys. There was nothing childish about their behavior. Refusing to listen to a screaming old stranger isn't childish.
@OliveBranch Did it say he did initially? The witness says he said something like "Can you turn the music down, I can't hear myself think." After they turned it back up they likely got into a yelling match. Either way, turning music already turned down back up to be obstinate and purposely annoy somebody-even if they were rude- is childish
@Lobuttomize Whether he yelled at them immediately or slightly after he came back, he was still the instigator and was still extremely confrontational and rude. No logical person would have any reason to listen to him. You're assuming they only turned the music up to agitate him, but they already had the music up. They didn't turn it up to a higher volume, they returned it to the volume it was already at before he even got there. That's not them being antagonistic or childish. That's them being stubborn at worst, which they were well within their right to do, considering he was an aggressive stranger.
@OliveBranch You're very clearly letting your bias influence you on this. The one kid turned it off because it's the polite thing to do. The other kid, even according to his friends, was acting up by turning it back up and saying stuff like "fuck him," obviously loudly enough for the shooter to hear him. If you genuinely believe that turning the radio back up to the level that was bothering another person who asked that you turn it down is an adult thing to do, you're childish as well
@Lobuttomize There is nothing to be biased about. I would say this even if nobody had died, even if it was two white kids and an old black guy, etc. This is basic common sense. "Polite" implies that it is a part of some kind of etiquette or courtesy. Placating a violently angry, adult stranger who is rude to you and your teenage friends is not a part of curtesy or etiquette. They had absolutely zero reason to listen to him, nor did they need to. In certain self defense classes, you're actually taught to ignore those types of people completely. So, no, it wasn't childish. Also, he said "Fuck him" privately to his friends as he told them that old guy's opinion didn't matter, and that they deserved to have their music turned back up. He said "Fuck you" loudly in response to when the guy returned and told them to turn it back down again. You're talking about two different parts of the situation. That's not antagonistic, nor is it childish. He had quite literally every reason not to listen to him. The only thing he shouldn't have done was respond to him verbally, because he didn't deserve to be acknowledged.
@Jason B lolwhat? i listen to my music while not bothering others, so i expect others to behave the same way. if they're "enjoying loud music" and if they are bothering me, they should turn it down, otherwise they're not respecting others and not just "the part of the different culture"
@Michael Trenton ones who are slamming shyt around at night tryna keep people awake are gonna have to keep that same energy when they lights come on so its not gonna be an every night thing. Every prison is different though and every pod is different. If you're n a dorm or pod with alot of young kids who are up all night then you'll prolly have some issues if u want it to stop
@lifeisgood070 The other inmates would probably try to knife him...because of what he did.....there is nothing heroic in killing a kid, who meant no harm.....also he is not exactly a 'gang' person, so he would definitely be taken advantage of by other experienced inmates.
@lifeisgood070 cause he's not going to want to hook up with the white boys in prison and put in work, but if he doesn't, the brothers in there are gonna want to split his motherfuckin cap wide open. I mean, that was basically a hate crime.
Hes gonna hear "thug music" as he calls it 24/7, he better learn to like it. Theres talented rappers in prison, and producers, they can make a sick beat with with only a pen and a desk top.
@lifeisgood070 since Dahmer got killed in prison. Most if not all high profile inmates are segregated. Thats prison though. Most jails don't give a fuck who you are and u need to request protective custody.
@Abraar Shah won't get within 5 locked doors of him. Prisoners don't run the prisons, you are aware of that right? I'm guessing you get 100% of your knowledge of prisons from movies and TV.
@Michael Trenton y'all thinkin of the holding cells with drunks and addicts going through withdraws. Once you are transfered to either your cell or your pod, a room full of about 20 bunk beds, things end up normal. Most people aren't in for life and prefer to keep a normal and usually very clean living space. Give respect and get respect. I was in for 1 week and it was more quiet than my own household at night.
@Gene Clark ideally, innocent people who exercised their right to protected themselves with lethal force legally. Why have most of the replies to this comment been in defense of a guy that murdered someone? Did you watch this whole video? Or just scroll to the comments to reply without context?
Those are two completely different cases buddy. Drejka was assaulted, then shot. Michael Dunn shot at teenagers who he claimed "threatened" him with words. Not even close to the same.
This guy is completely delusional and lives in his own bubble. He's convinced that the police would find some weapon on them (to help his case) just because he thinks they're thugs for cussing at him and yet he's the one who kills in cold blood just like that. How do you live like that?
I think he is going on the Karen theory is you see someone who is black and you are in fear of their blackness therefore you are justified in your actions despite the outcome and the presence of eminent danger
this is just sad. Just some kids listening to music. who cares what they were listening to or what they were doing. People have fought for our freedom just so we can do this. but then you have these bigots....what a shame
Imagine feel so entitled, so self centered that you sit in your car with a bunch of others sitting in their car and you believe you have the power to control what happens in their vehicle all because of what YOU PREFER at that very moment. I hope this guy gets everything he deserves, in the worst way
On second thought, I'll built an expensive sound system into my car, park it in front of your house with windows open at 7AM blasting Dutch hardcore for the whole day. If you say anything to me, you're wrong.
@Mandy Candy No it's not life and no I don't have to tolerate it. I've dealt with it through legal means and I've won.
Also, that is not how property works. A car is not the same as a house. This is why a car can be towed for a parking violation. Your property or not, does not matter.
@cal c So now you have extra rules, what else do you have? In most civilized countries disturbance/noise pollution laws apply at all hours in all locations.
nah, noise complaints are a real issue when it comes to liberty infringement. it's illegal to interfere with people's environment to a certain extent, and that extent can be reached with noise. we structure our law around the concept of liberty and property, and if you are making it so that someone cannot hear anything but you on their property, or have enough quiet to sleep for example, you are arguably violating their property rights. it's a grey area when it comes to liberty and property infringement. i'm not saying the killer is right, in this case i think he's in the wrong, but don't act like there isn't any merit to noise complaints
@Autonomous Thought you said it yourself "on their property ", I guess you must be referring to his example. Once again they weren't on their property. That null and voids your argument. They were playing loud music inside of their car parked outside a gas station that had a customer inside. they were doing nothing illegal
@Mandy Candy so if he doesn't like thug music, he should leave and have to go to another place inconveniently? nah. there are 2 different issues here. one is him having a problem with the music. he didn't say they were violating his liberty or anything when they were playing the music. he acknowledged they had the right to play the music, and that is evident by the fact that he asked them to turn it down. there isn't anything seriously wrong with him having a problem with the music. the issue is that he fucking killed people, that's the issue here, not whether or not he's in the right asking them to turn down the music. that's the major issue here, whether or not he has a claim to self defense, which is really completely unrelated to the music, they either seriously threatened him or didn't
@Autonomous Thought incovenient but its life. He couldn't control himself towards the point a kid got killed, all because be didn't like their "thug music". Its childish. the guy commented and made this about him and his situation, which kinda shifted my discussion. My point was and still is, that man felt entitled like he had the power to make those black kids turn their music down, in a public setting. And still felt no remorse after he exaggerated the events and learned there was no gun. He'll have his karma as he serves his time
@Mandy Candy also on public property, public is a key word, it's payed for by the public via taxation, so they should have a right to the benefits of the property to a certain extent, again i don't think they were wrong to be playing music, i'm just pointing out that it's a somewhat grey area, it's not completely ridiculous for someone to be bothered by loud noises, it is an actual grey area with some merit when it comes to property rights and liberty infringement. but also again, that's not the key issue here, the music issue isn't the big deal, whether or not the killing is self defense or murder is
@Mandy Candy again, no he didn't feel "entitled like he had the power to make those black kids turn their music down", he asked them, which is perfectly within his right and not necessarily wrong, not especially entitled. the fact that he asked them to turn it down is evidence that he is aware they have the right to keep it up. also you're using the word entitled like it makes any kind of point when it doesn't, people should feel entitled to things like freedom and liberty, entitlement isn't necessarily a bad thing, it's not as strong an argument as you seem to think it is to call someone entitled. you don't know what happened and neither do i. you don't know that the kid didn't have a shotgun that was later disposed of by the other kids before the cops got there. you do not know that the black kid wasn't threatening his life and pretending he had a gun. that kind of shit happens, trust me. you are overly confident that he's guilty and that they're innocent, and it's pretty clearly because you're indoctrinated into leftist racial mythology
Milton Waddams - .... that is a different set of circumstances where there are noise disturbance laws. Also, I wouldn’t attempt to shoot a person for making noise. Call the police (in your hypothetical situation) or in this situation, drive away.
@Autonomous Thought I think you're using what appears to be 'logic' to obfuscate the fact that a man (of whatever race) got so upset by a bunch of kids (of whatever race) playing music, that he decided to take out a gun and shoot them. Since you accuse Mandy of being 'leftist', and to some extent brainwashed, let's remove race out of it.
The fact of the case still remains that a man was so entitled to 5 minutes if peace that he shot a bunch of kids. Come on! Are you not able to see the insanity of this?
@Mandy Candy Same reason why people go to jail for small amounts of marijuana or people who torture animals are NOT jailed for years. The justice system is far from fair and just.
@Bill Lumbergh It's interesting to read your view on 'snowflake', saying that a man with a gun is no snowflake.
In the East, we say 'the general is greatest who wins his wars without shedding a drop of blood'.
So a trigger-happy guy with such little self control that he pulls a gun in kids in a car is actually the weakest man. Because strength is about mastery of mind and body, regardless of circumstance. If he had really mastered his mind, he would not have reacted so harshly at a pit stop!
@Anu Kal i think you're using what appears to be, extremely low IQ emotional gibberish, to change the story of what happened to a man killing someone because he didn't like the music they were playing, rather than a man killing someone because they threatened his life, because this new alternative narrative comforts you emotionally
@Anu Kal Sure, I can agree with that. But in the western modern sense of the term, it means someone who gets offended easily about things that don't concern them. This was not one of those cases. Guys have pride and a code, so if someone insults you and laughs at you, you can expect repercussions. I'm not approving of his methods but just "letting it go" is also not a good way to go about it. If everyone just let's everything go in society, nothing would improve. And yes, 95%+ people are exactly like this and this is why they lead average insignificant lives.
@Isis Montgomery yea cool but like what if he's actually telling the truth and they did threaten to kill him and pretend to have a gun and he genuinely shot in self defense, you'd still wish that upon him?
@Bill Lumbergh It's funny you go on to defend that a snowflake is someone who gets offended unnecessarily, but then justify this man's action with a 'code'. One could argue that a man who gets so upset by a bunch of unarmed teenagers is the real coward. I mean, you must have no mastery of mind body and spirit if every little thing gets you upset.
The code of men in the East is that a real man never gets flustered, no matter what. You handle it calmly. Getting wildly angry over little things is something animals do. What distinguishes us from them is our power of self mastery.
@Anu Kal Yes, I'm aware of keeping the face. People grinning like idiots while being angry. You call that superior, I call it ridiculous.
Yes, he obviously overreacted but I understand why. When you're tired, ask someone to do something nicely and then the teens start getting in your face, it's too much.
Funny how you don't apply the same logic in regard to the aggressive teens. If they just had kept their mouths shut and turned down the music, they'd be fine.
@Mandy Candy so it's boo hoo if someone expects loud music to be kept down because kids don't need or shouldn't have to be subjected to that kind of language. Boo hoo for anyone who doesn't want to hear cursing and murdering music screaming out someone else car but the car disrespecting all kids in earshot of their music is all good??? Ok got it
If the last thing he's looking for is trouble, he wouldn't have even mentioned the music in the first place. It's a fucking gas station. You run in. You grab what you need. You leave. One of you is bound to leave in the next two minutes. I'm neurodivergent and extremely noise sensitive. I hate loud music it makes me irrationally angry and extremely anxious, but I would not have said anything to those boys. It's two minutes of discomfort in my life and they're just kids trying to have a good time
He could’ve easily ignored the music for like 2 minutes, or however long it would take in the gas station and he would still be fine. He took a life just because. It’s not like you’re gonna be in the car forever.
I don't get the point in you mentioning that you are "neurodivergent". Even if loud noise bothers you, I am quite sure you or anyone else besides that drunk belligerent fool of a man, wouldn't have done something as heinous as that, even a majority of people wouldn't have interacted with the group if they were in that man's place.
@mell my point was simply that I get what it's like to be irritated by noise but no amount of irritation would ever justify what he did. I mentioned my neurodivergency because the amount of frustration I feel towards loud noises if completely irrational. So really, all I meant was that nothing he says can justify what he did. If I were to do what he did, even my psychiatrist explaining that I can't tolerate loud noises wouldn't be an excuse. I wasn't trying to say that I'm special, but I felt that the point was relevant to prove that nothing justifies the means he resorted to
Or how about don't pull up in the spot RIGHT fucking next to them? The one witness even said they decided to park away because they didn't want to deal with the music. Nah, Mikey boy was trying to live out his fantasy. Hope it was worth it, enjoy that cement box.
@mell neurodivergent people are much more sensitive to stimuli than neurotypical people. Probably pointed it out for context and/or to drive the fact home.
💯👏👏👏 That's exactly what I do! I won't even park next to someone at a gas station. For what? If there's multiple parking spots available? I don't mind walking a few extra steps. Or if I'm waiting in the car at a stop light or gas station and someone has there music extremely loud? I just roll the window up and go on about my day. Simple life. 👍
If he would of covered his ears with his fingers "lalalalalaallalalalalaalalal" then he would of been a free man walking his dog eating a fairly expensive dinner or pizza w his fiance but instead Mr. Music's too loud is rotting in jail like he deserves
@Pepperkill Development Playing music loud makes you a “gangster” I guess… but I’m assuming you’re trolling or just raised to be racist so that’s all I’m gonna say to you lol
Well said, my adhd causes a lot of overstimulation and makes me feel irritable when music is too loud or too many sensory things are going on in general. Your point about managing it yourself and not losing your temper on people who are clearly not intentionally frustrating you is a valuable one, it takes real willpower sometimes!
I completely disagree. She knew EXACTLY who he was, and was happy to aid and abet him before he got caught. He even left her alone for several hours after they got home, and yet she still didn't call the police.
Also, she was legally obligated to testify, they weren't married, so spousal privilege doesn't apply. Same applies to the interrogation. You don't get brownie points for doing the bare minimum of basic human decency, especially if it's done only after you've exhausted every other option.
The best thing that came out of this situation is that sweet, loving, honest woman may have saved her own life as well as far as giving an honest testimony which likely resulted in them spliting up which is best b/c he displayed a quick flip of the switch with no control over his rage and his first form of defense is just to fuckin shoot so what if she pissed him off enough which clearly doesn’t take much it’s likely she would end up on the other side of that barrel where Jordan Davis once was all b/c he pissed the dude off! Unfortunately there is no positive to this other than so many lessons being learned BUT if one thinghaf to come out of this. Jordan Davis likely saved Rhonda’s (the fiancée) life as well by him showing his true colors to someone he knows nothing about soooo imagine if his fiancée pissed him off the least little bit so Davis’ is also a hero in this situation even know that doesn’t discount the pain/grief of what the family/friends are feeling! Love & Prayers to everyone involved in this situation including the fiancée of this monster!
@Amelia Bee You may be a strong person who would have handled it the correct way, but I think you are being a little hard on Dunn's fiance. I sense that Rhonda is a deeply insecure, fragile woman who may not have been used to being treated well, someone who might have been abused in the past (I wouldn't be at all surprised if Dunn was also abusive towards her at times....) Look how terrified she was on the stand and how timid she sounded on the phone when Dunn called her from jail.... Maybe Rhonda wanted to do the right thing when they returned to the hotel, and especially the next morning when they found out that Dunn had killed someone, but she may have been too fearful of angering him. (I can't imagine the emotional turmoil immediately upon finding out your hot-head idiot fiance just killed a teenager.) After all, look what happens when he gets pissed off, and Dunn had a reputation as a hothead before all this happened. I also think Dunn knew Rhonda would want to do the right thing -- he obviously knew she was angry and upset because he kept trying to reassure her on the way home...."I love you.... You know I love you...." In other words, "Please do not call the police on me!" In the end, Rhonda bravely told the truth on the stand to his detriment, and that was not an easy thing for her to do.
@Amelia Bee I think you’re a little hard on her. I have no doubt that their relationship was entirely manipulative and that he hid all his bad qualities from her to create the illusion that he is a great guy, so that when he did act out, she’d wear rose-colored glasses until it was impossible for her to not see who he truly was. I honestly believe he took advantage of her kindness and had her build some sort of emotional dependence on him.
the teenagers too. they were just having fun and that turned out horrible as one of their friends died.... all the victims in this case shouldn't have been involved my heart breaks for them.
"I was the victor and the victim." By which he meant: "I'm a racist, trigger-happy child murderer, and would've had more victims if the driver hadn't successfully gotten away from me, but also simultaneously believe I was attacked by the unarmed teenagers because they played loud [derogatory stereotype] music." Jordan, you deserved so much better, and I'm so sorry your life was taken that soon by such a horrible person. And to the driver, Tommy, you're a hero for being able to save the lives of everyone else in the car. To Rhonda, thank you for having a heart and for not letting that sad excuse of a man get away with murder
the first thing that makes him guilty is not calling the police HIMSELF. I think it just flows with logic that if you feel the need to fire your weapon in self defense, you should call the police. A. to explain what happened and take responsibility for your actions PROactively. and B. To let the police know about the people you were defending against.
Killing someone and then say “I didn’t know that I was being charged with murder” 47:59 , I don’t know how to think about this, the audacity and entitlement he got are out of this world.
He probably still thought the kid was a thug just because he was black and thought you don't go to jail If you kill a black person. He clearly saw no value in those lives.
He appears so smug. He was not in danger. He could have driven away, he could have gone into the store…he was looking for a fight and murdered a teenager
What really struck me was 23:48 when the Black detective starts speaking, Michael waits a second or two and then turns his attention to him. He's visibly annoyed and doesn't want to listen or interact with him. This guy is a real piece of sh*t.
He also displays the most nervous body language when the black cop Is talking to him and seems to "shrink" into the wall the longer the conversation goes...his behavior was telling
thank god for the fiancé's honest testimony. it was obviously breaking her heart to testify against the love of her life, but she was honest regardless and helped to see justice served for that young man who wrongfully lost his life to senseless violence.
@Fancy Pants and i found out also, that his sons wedding was the first time that he had seen or talked to his son for 5 years. i couldnt find the source of the falling out though.... i tried, lol :)
@chellefell 13 Yikes! Another red flag. Yeah, definitely sounds like a really unpleasant person all around and I commend the fiancé all the more for speaking the truth despite the fact that he probably did scare her. Hey, thanks for following up on this convo with this new information! Really puts things in perspective.
@chellefell 13 thank you for that insight, it makes more sense. Maybe this is how poor Rhonda finally got out of that situation with him by being honest and getting his ass packed away for good.
@József Mozer Especially if you’re a bad guy like him - see previous comments. The teens had no criminal records. He’s a bad tempered liar - also stupid. Even I know not to talk to police without a lawyer.
@József Mozer that's why no civilian should have a gun, even regular people can go through rough times, arguments, mental issues , and end up impulsively killing others, guns make it so much easier to kill some one , all you need is move a finger
@Geg Og im glad your opinion doesnt mean much when it comes to policy decisions. Also you should look up the survival rates for gunshots vs stab wounds, it might surprise you
And the fact that he claimed THEY were violent when he was the one shooting at them simply for the loud music.. it’s so sickening, makes my heart drop. Rest In Peace to that young man :(
This is my first time hearing of this case and I love how JCS puts it all together. I am so sorry for the family of Jordan and for his life being cut short by an asshat with an ego problem as well as probable racist tendencies. I can't believe the story Michael tries to pass on as what went down and how entitled he must feel he is. It is awesome to see someone like him put in his place! Rhonda is a hero in this case for standing up for the truth even though it breaks her heart and led to her fiancés rightful life in jail. Michael doesn't deserve a life outside.
With content as good as this I wanna know the man behind it all ! If this is edited , narrated , researched , and written all by the same guy this man is talented beyond comprehension and if it’s a team it’s equally as fucking amazing . We love you JCS, and keep up the unbelievably well done content.
The heartbreak the of Rhonda feeling as if it is her fault because she was the one that said to pull into the gas station. Rest In Peace to the innocent life that was lost way too soon.
This guy couldn't even to pretend any kind of remorse or sadness when the cops tell him there wasn't a gun in the car. He couldn't even pretend surprise. Nobody with half a brain can watch that and think that he ever believed himself to be in danger. He kept saying he was in fear for his life over and over again like it was a magic phrase to get him out of trouble. I'm really glad the cops and the jury were having none of it. Nothing can make up for the senseless murder of a child (or the traumatizing of three others) but sending this murderer to prison for the rest of his life with no chance of parole is the least a decent society can do for them.
Speaking of, that black cop was incredibly entertaining. He had such incisive comments to bring Dunn's nonsene to a screeching halt while calling him on his bullshit. He lets the other cops ease Dunn into it but when the pressure's on he just makes it so clear that he knows EXACTLY what this asshole's game is and that he's not interested in playing.
You have a right to remain silent, anything you say can be used against you in a court of law...... I don't know why people disregard this right every single time.
2 hours into the interrogation after giving them his bullshit (woe is me, heroic act of vigilance) story "umm...do I need to get a lawyer?" Good lord its should be illegal itself to be that stupid.
It's the monotone level of voice he speaks in to defend himself to the investigators. I feel like he knows he fucked up but dosent know how to get out of the situation. The investigators speak with intention and meaning behind what they say. Anybody could see how guilty this guy is
Guilty suspects are far more likely to waive their rights and talk to the police than innocent ones -- and this is a perfect example of why. Dunn knows this isn't a straightforward case of self-defense. He has to not only come up with an explanation to satisfy investigators, but to also explain away the evidence against him.
When his lawyer asks him about his dog and he tears up I laughed out loud. That asshole sure shed no tears when he found out he killed a kid and that he had no weapon.
42:41 The hell?! He sys he felt threatened and feared for his life because of the boy going out of the car and going towards him. But then the police interrogator askes why he shot the doors if it's not the doors that allegedly may have endangered his life. And this man says it's because at some point the boy went back in... Wasn't his whole point that he felt threatened because the boy was outside?! Then why he is not shooting in that moment but when there is no one comming towards him?! 😤 Obviously he can't keep tracks of his lies.
She knows soooo well That lying to professional would get her in trouble as well. One trouble is enough already. She's scared to go to jail by lying. One option: to tell the truth. Court can be scary. Look how she's shaking and speaking sooo slowly. It's intimidating to face that in court. Truth set ppl free
@John M i don't think that, i mean a lot of people know that lying is a crime but a lot of people choose to do that for people they love. ofc they get sentenced but when you love someone you will do things for love. even risk to lie. so respect to her.
@TIFFA RAFFI yes respect her I do agree on that! However, different ppl use their judgement differently. Other may take the risk , and other really knows the consequences ( using their brain the way it's supposed to be not just the heart)... For exemple, as much as I love my girlfriend. If she commit a murder for exemple... I'm not supporting that. I will tell the truth. Because such a bug crime is tolerance Zero. And she has morals unlike other ppl... 1. She has morals 2. Ooooooh yessss wait until they find out you lied... big consequences coming. 3. It's just the right thing to do. I'm not supporting a murderer whether it's my girlfriend or son... We all have a choice in life. Hoping that each and everyone me the right choice. Not to mention that, if his fiancé is able to kill a human being, she might be next . It shows her how that man is...killing someone over a loud music. Imagine if he think that she's cheating on him or wanna leave him. He would do the exact very same thing. I live in Quebec /Canada. I'm so scared when I go visit the US. Impulsive ppl out there. Ready to shoot. Ppl born and raised with guns, not for me.
At 52:16 the defence makes a gesture to the defendant to start getting emotional, and thats exactly what Michael does and starts crying, or at least pretends to cry.
What an absolute clown, takes the life of an innocent black kid because he was on a power trip and didn’t like them defying his authority turning their music back up after he told them to turn it down.. then tries to get his wife to agree with him over a phone call because he’s insecure and wants justification for his actions. Seeing something you thought was a gun doesn’t make you a victim, you have to absolutely be sure of what you saw, because when you assume wrong and kill innocent people there is consequences. Rest In Peace to that young man , blasting loud music is freedom of expression
The loud music in a gas station is antagonizing along with a arrogant driver can make anyone go off at times . Answer don't carry a gun it will bring out the Evil that will permanently damage you or others .
The thing is I don’t think Rhonda should feel blame not just because she wouldn’t have known and it’s not her fault, but with a person like this in a big city, he would have done it eventually later on.
Cops are trained to operate from the presumption of guilt and impunity is granted if they for shooting an unarmed person in the back running if they believe at that point they were in fear for their life. Doesn't matter if there was a gun in the vehicle if he was operating under the belief there was one. If they supposedly threatened his life and he believed them to be inflicting bodily harm, injury, and or death lethal force would of been authorized at that point...guy musta had a piss poor lawyer. 🤷♂️
Was there a stick? Was there a broom handle? Was there a bat? Was there mop? Was there an extension pole? Was there a branch? Was the a ski pole? Let me ask you this, was there anything long in the vehicle and did you double check the area?
What I find most baffling about this whole story, and many others like this, is how many people have guns just casually with them in their cars or whatever. Why did he have it in the first place? Basically everybody has a gun. It's just unbelievable. Why the guns?
50:42 - 50:43 "I tought I was going to be killed. And I was like - where all this hostility comes from..." 👀 No, nobody who believes they're about to be killed any moment is asking themselves this! You react - freez from fear/shock, try to escape/save yourself or defend yourself/attack trying to prevent someone from hurting you! You don't just sit there analyzing what are the things that provoke the worst in human nature 😑 What a bullsh*t!
51:46 This line with this intonation was like taken from a low rated movie. And why did he empahsize at "son of a b*tch" instead of "You're not gonna kill me" /I'll not let you kill me? For me it shows which part was true and which was made out. If he tough these are dangerous grown men, why he even went to tell them to turn down the music?! What was the urgency since it would take only minutes to drift parts anyway?! I believe he knew these are young teens but his ego was hurt. His unexisting autority was not taken seriously, he kept being the invisible person who nobody bothers to even notice let alone to kiss his *ss. On top of that he was not just being ignored but also called a "b*tch" (which he proves he is) so he decided to show how "powerful" he is and as a real man he shooted his gun against unarmed teens 😒
If he tought they are so dangerous and were about to kill him, why after he "defended" himself he didn't call immediatly the police - to check if anyone is harmed and to make sure the guys won't go after him
bru fr the beginning caught me off guard. i rlly thought he was gone be the victim. but the only victims here were the people he shot at and mike’s car seat for having to endure him sitting on it😆🤢
Trying to play the calm, remorseful, victim of circumstance, but can't help but get those lines about his gunmanship and 'military training' from a friend. A couple rum and cokes and this guy definitely becomes unhinged.
Aside from that you should never do what this SOB did; the lesson is also: NEVER TALK TO DETECTIVES WITHOUT A LAWYER! These guys thinking they can just improvise.... stupid
Ask a defense attourney "Was there ever a situation where you thought "Thank god my defendent speak to the police without me present"" and the laugh will tell you how delusional mister dunn was for this ;D
Mike has the same anger issues as Michael Douglas' character in the film Falling Down. That, or he thinks he's some sort of Dirty Harry. There's something seriously wrong with this guy & Rhonda did herself a big favour!
"Do I need to get a lawyer ?..." 😆😂🤣 This guy's funny as fuck. Not funny that a 17 y.o. kid is dead though, all because this lard-ass has: (i) a bad temper (ii) no tolerance (iii) a sense of entitlement (iv) a piece in the glove-box
This reminds me of an episode of South Park. The one where the Hicks want to shoot endangered animals. Or hunt outside of season. So they just yell "Shit! It's coming at us!!" and then shoot flamethrowers and rocket launchers at baby deers and penguins.
It breaks my brain when I try to understand what type of person would see themselves as a "victor" while making a prepaid phone call from the pokey.. Ahh yes, enjoy the spoils of victory from your new posh bachelor pad (aka a dirty, stinking jail cell), you dummy.. You've certainly earned them, lmao..
How are you going to get mad over somebody Elsa playing loud music just move the car she wasn't going to be in the gas station forever maybe 10 minutes just deal with it life is about compromising with other people everything can't be the way you want to be all the time
Art Apples2020-02-20 22:37:24 (edited 2020-02-20 22:37:58 )
I genuinely was watching a true crime drama on Netflix when I saw this notification come up, switched over so quick. This content is far superior to anything else out there.
Tommy turned the music down out of respect to an elder and that’s rare…if Michael had not had too much etoh….two sets of people out having fun times with family and friends…I just don’t get it. In the blink of an eye a young person dead and a middle aged professional man ended his life as he knew it. I hate loud loud rap music with that base that you can feel in your house. I want to shoot the speakers. If I’m in my car I just move along or turn up my country music. My dogs would really miss me if I didn’t make it home so…✌️✌️🤷🏼♀️
@Gary morris I agree he was a trigger happy narcissist, but there was definitely an argument as stated by the victims and the witnesses, not that that in any way justifies murder
@Wolfy100 ...sure. But I guess what I meant was, no pistol, no confrontation and there would have been no so called argument. Common sense is to not park next to a car playing loud music. However, this joker had a gun and was buzzing from his rums and cokes which allowed him to challenge these kids. Wrong move on every level. Again, no gun, no "argument ". He would have went on his way.
So we didn’t pick up on the fact he said... If I had told herself n the way to the hotel Intold her several times ... the If should have been pointed out by the D.A
12:42-13:02 Her voice went so quick to normal... Am I reading Ntoo much into it? Anyway, I have more than 40 mins more to watch but it is so sad... Most of the teens love laud music. No one deserves to die because of it! I remember another case where a man shot and killed his neighboor over laud music 😔
The telephone conversation at the beginning sounded sow fake to me. It was like:"I know the call is recorded so I will tell what I want them to think that really happened"
He tried to use the "I feared for my life" defense which is commonly used against Black people no matter the circumstance even if that Black person is fleeing.
@Elliot Nelson "I'm not racist you're racist for calling out racism!" Foh answer this as honestly as you can: Would Kyle Rittenhouse get treated like he's being treated if he were Black! Answer that question and be honest.
@Iron Will Kyle Rittenhouse would get the same verdict no matter what his race is.
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Lucius Aurelian2022-01-22 18:20:10 (edited 2022-01-22 18:21:35 )
@Iron Will It would be ironic if he was an african american, imagine the headlines would be like BLM tries to attack black people who disagrees with them, not only that he was the one who is trying to help his community in Kenosha... It is quite clear to me that you never knew the facts of the Rittenhouse case dude.
@Lucius Aurelian I know it was self defense. I don't have a problem with anyone defending themselves. I also know the police couldn't locate him for a month. I know he was seen with the proud boys (white supremacists organization). I know he went to Kenosha with the intent to harm Black People. I'm not seeing your point
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Lucius Aurelian2022-01-23 01:18:02 (edited 2022-01-23 01:23:32 )
@Iron Will yeah, no this is what I meant, again he has no intent to hurt anybody there dude and what is it with claiming any organization such as the proud boys who is led by a hispanic as white supremacist ?? And again Kyle Rittenhouse was not seen or collaborating with anybody to do harm. Look dude his father lived in kenosha, his grandma too, and many of his close friends lived in Kenosha, he also works part time there, His intent was clear, to protect his community.
@Lucius Aurelian just because he's Latin doesn't mean he's not a self hating minority. He's never referred to himself as Cuban anyway. And I don't believe he's the actual leader.
@Lucius Aurelian Dems and Reps. Are both wings of the same bird. And the fact that you mentioned those two 🦝's tells me exactly what I thought of someone like you. I'm surprised you didn't also mention Larry Elder. You listen to a lot of Richard Spencer, & Jared Taylor I bet.
@Iron Will I am a Zionist if you don't know but hmmm... again its just so funny you calling both of them racoons it tells perfectly that you actually never listen to their ideas.
@Lucius Aurelian Good for you, I'm sure you rationalize those claims after performing or participating in anti Black racism. Because despite what you claim to believe in; it won't trump your ideology.
@Iron Will its not claims it is fact that the more small the government the more free people would become. I never discriminate anyone as far as Im concerned its just your baseless assumption since every single person who disagrees with you are automatically "racist" or "white supremacist" in the end anyways.
@Iron Will I already told you the facts of the case anyways and the trial wasn't anything about race it is about self-defense.
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Lucius Aurelian2022-01-27 08:31:52 (edited 2022-01-27 08:37:48 )
@Iron Will HAHAHAHAHA I am Mizrahim but I guess you never even heard of the mizrahim and just spout every nonsense that the msm gives to you. The fact is that the status of the weapon would not be applicable to this case due to the wisconsin law on self defense, the trial would go the same way, no matter what his race is. Second of all, he also already lived in kenosha since his father, close friends and grand mother lives there, he even worked there. Rittenhouse was there to help and if you watched the trial you could see that his actions actually helped the people who lived in Kenosha, But anyways thank you for the conversation.
Wow. What a great loyal wife. If you can't trust your other half to be at the plate for ya. What's the point. What a kick in the balls for this defendant. He a killer tho but dam. She was no mrs. Hill here.
If the jury got to see his interrogation tape, why would his lawyer allow him to add all that extra dialogue? Him & his lawyer would’ve practiced all these questions.. I’m glad he shot himself in the foot during the trial but it just doesn’t make sense.
Yep. Let kids be kids, we've all been there, give them space, just ignore the noise or park somewhere else, live and let live, ffs. Well he's never getting out, but if only it was 90 years for attempted murder, but without the youngster dying.
People call me a pushover, maybe even a bitch because when somebody is doing something around me like playing loud music that I don't like for the three seconds I'm around them, I don't say anything. But hey, guess what; I'm not the one being commented on for doing something stupid. 🤷 🤣
They so lucked out, if ole boy had been a better shot or less drunk they would all be dead. Yeah, good advice I follow myself, don't mouth off to people in FL or TX, even their babies are armed.
This guy is the only “thug” i see wouldn’t be surprised if their color also motivated him to see some kids judging their music cause it was probably black people music
@walking olga well people who train with firearms train to operate them via muscle memory so fear might not necessarily be a factor, I know I could operate a firearm regardless of fear if my life was being threatened (or at least I hope I could) based on repetitive training. However don’t get me wrong, none of these factors apply this was clearly a murder and fear played no role, anger did.
@Zombies “yeah man I only shot 8 times, it usually takes 10 shots to kill a guy 🙄”
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On the Rims2021-06-06 04:54:56 (edited 2021-06-06 04:55:29 )
@Keith Thom I imagine your more likely to shoot an unidentified target out of fear, rather than not shooting at all. Maybe not..I guess it depends how second nature it is to reach for a weapon.
On a side note, I punched my own mom in the face while the power was out, after she hid and scared me.. Im not sure if thats the same, but I obviously had no intention of throwing a punch.
@On the Rims well I think under ideal conditions you would have a clear cut threshold for an assailant where until that line is crossed you display your weapon and warn the would be attacker with authority in an attempt to deter an attack, but once that attacker proceeds with the attack you act decisively while attempting to balance both neutralizing the threat with not going further then necessary. Unfortunately life rarely plays out exactly how we would like it to. God forbid I ever end up in this situation, but if I did the first thing I would do after taking the shot is call the police, frisk the individual for weapons for my own safety and then provided that person is no longer a threat I would do my best to render medical aid whether that means CPR or a makeshift tourniquet. Those who carry for self defense need to always remember that the purpose is indeed SELF DEFENSE. You do everything you can to avoid firing, you only fire as much as is necessary, you NEVER fire out of anger and only out of necessity. The point is to avoid becoming a victim, not to victimize someone else.
As to your comment about target ID your completely correct. Many people, myself included, believe that any firearm that will be used in self defense should have a light on it. Obviously that’s not always applicable but it’s dark 1/3 of the time and that seems to be when the criminals like to come out to play. Ultimately it comes down to one of the main rules of firearm safety, being “know you’re target and what’s behind it.” You simply CANNOT fire at what you cannot identify, and in this case the guy didn’t just fire at a man who was never a threat, he OPENED UP on a whole car full of teenagers and it’s a miracle that all those boys aren’t dead. There’s an unspoken code of conduct for people who carry firearms for defense and this guy violated every single rule and certainly doesn’t represent the gun community.
@On the Rims Punching can heavily be argued to be a reflex, yet with a gun there's a lot more in play that gives your mind time to say "wait hold up wtf are you doing?" The other fact that he shot after the car was driving away is fucking evil though, and kinda closes the case on it's own imo.
The worst part is, throughout the whole interview, he doesn’t ever show remorse, regret, sorrow, or shame for killing a 17 year old. Not even an ounce. Rot in jail bro
@Jesse K Ok, a hell of a lot of whites are scared of blacks. Better?
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Barry Shitpeas2020-07-14 20:09:34 (edited 2020-07-14 20:11:53 )
@Addie Alexander You are just arguing semantics, you are admitting you're afraid deep down. "Weariness" lol. Wording it like an 18th century aristocrat doesn't change that
@Adrian it is definitely a problem right now that we are trying to get through. I feel like (or at least I hope) that after the current situations become better that we it’ll be better. It’s not totally correct, but I would say in a lot of places it’s true, sadly. Edit: Also, society makes it seem that way, so that’s another part of the problems right now. Hopefully the protests will make it all (at least a bit) better.
I'm not one to throw this word around, because I think it's just overused and saturated but.... he feels no remorse because he's a TRUE racist. That is what a real racist is. He hates black people and their culture and killing one to him was an accomplishment. He's not upset about the murder, he's upset about getting punished for it.
Nah dude. Like I appreciate what you mean on a purely humane level, but that's it, really bro. This guy, not even fucking once for a second, showed care he killed a human. During the whole thing I felt like he was caught slaughtering a hen for dinner. That's what scary to me, he's lying like he's trying to justify backing over your dog last morning when he was taxing out of his garage.
@Donna Mellick i totally disagree with you... this guy would get recruited by KKC ( clan spells with a C moron) and ranked vice wizard on the spot after that achievement ( its not but it is for them) !
Yeah the whole time he was just worried what others were going to think about him. He didn't give a second thought about the fact he ended a young man's life.
Vantazzy I agree with most of what you said, that’s what generally intimidates white people, not the color of their skin, but more the behavior and attitude of SOME. But I don’t believe that it was fear that played the primary role, I think it was mostly anger and hate.
Donna Mellick I would say a lot of white guys are scared of black guys tbh. I’m a white dude and I used to live in Baltimore before I moved to hick town fucking USA, and honestly, a lot of white guys, guys specifically, are really scared of black people it’s crazy.
I get part of what you are saying but if his testimony is truthful or he needs to convince the investigators that what he is saying is the truth, why would he have remorse for killing someone who said "I'm going to fucking kill you" and then grabbing a weapon to shoot him. I don't believe his account but from his perspective it would make less sense to feel remorse about killing someone who was trying to kill you.
No remorse is clear and he actually said himself he was the victor” He clearly didn’t consider the life of this teenager valuable in anyway. He is scared of blacks and racist and definitely deserves to be in jail!!!
Ben Thomas Because that’s how a normal person’s pathology would work. Even if you truly thought the boy deserved to die, you would still show some sort of weight for taking another life. He’s showing intent, by not showing any kind of guilty. Most people who legit where defending themselves, are still beside themselves for ending someone.
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my cats name2020-07-25 13:38:01 (edited 2020-07-25 13:47:21 )
Yeah that’s what got me too, when the cops told him he had killed one of the guys he didn’t flinch, no surprise, no “oh shit I didn’t mean to do that” “are the other guys ok” there was no “I was freaked out all night” no tears no “I’m sorry I overreacted” no apology to the parents
The only time that he got emotional was when he started talking about how screwed up this is because he was happy and wouldn’t spoil that when he was on the stand at 52:35 he mentions Rhonda his partner and his body language screams “OMG I can’t believe how much I screwed up, and then he proceeds to cry, but, he’s only emotional about what he’s lost not what the victims have lost, that’s the only time I’ve seen any emotional or remorse from him. It’s terrible
Donna Mellick I’m white,live in a black neighborhood,not scared at all,but maybe you’re right, I just don’t understand why people don’t let other people do their own things,we all gotta do the best we can to survive.
@Jay McDanieLThe kid was 17 years old. Legal age to be charged as an adult is 18, until then a person is still considered a minor in the eyes of the law, and it is up to the Judge along with the persons past history for whether they are charged as a Juvenile or Adult. So while child can be considered a loaded term, in the eyes of the law it would be, and is, a valid statement.
In the eyes of the law a 12 year old (youngest age of criminal responsibility in all states, some states don't have a limit so even an 8 or 6 year old would be seen the same) is also considered a minor but could be tried as an Adult based on the same factors. Would you say Child is a loaded term for a 12 year old (or younger in some states) since they can also be charged as an Adult as well?
This is all irrelevant though as the facts of the matter are that the guy did kill a minor with no criminal record or even any violent associations in cold blood and showed no remorse about it.
@Jay McDanieL Indeed they did, and when they got back they still weren't legally allowed to drink alcohol, and would still need intervention by a judge to be charged as an adult for a crime if they were under 18 when they got back. Pretty fucked up ain't it?
@Jay McDanieL I literally said that with Judge intervention they could be charged as an adult. But it was still up to the judge. So no I'm not arguing against that, and I don't know why you think I am... Barring that intervention though, they would still be charged as a minor.
As for the 12 year old part I was just using it as an example to point out the flaw in how you where saying child was a loaded term when legally it is a valid statement in the eyes of the law and how children of 12 or less could also be charged as an adult showing the dichotomy of the law/situation.
Mainly Im just pointing out how our legal terms do not match everyday terms and cant be applied the same way in a 1 to 1 situation
@Jay McDanieL who ever told you that 13-14 is a minimum age to be tried as an adult is wrong considering that 13 states don't have a minimum age and Texas as a state has a minimum age of 10. I pointed this out in my original comment. Please re-read and do better research. Also cut back on the insults. It make you look childish and immature that you can't handle a rational discussion without sprinkling them in.
Rest in peace to that young boy. This is such a tragedy, lying people, hating on other people's music. Clearly racist. Narcissistic and a vile person. No less than life in prison for this man.
Dunn's wife loved him so much. So honestly... She loved him so much she refused to lie for him, and she looked him right in the eyes while doing it. He couldn't even look at her back. She deserved better than that. He didn't deserve her.
@How Not To maybe just intuition. From what we saw in the interview, she seems to be a genuine and honest person. Very loving and caring as well. She cried in trial when she was talking about her relationship with Dunn. She seemed so distressed and so sad for him...
Such a shame michael dunn didnt show the same upset and hurt about shooting and taking a young mans life, so tragic and i must say the victims parents or whoever this video shown sat in court showed such dignity and poise whilst they probably wanted to scream at him so prayers to the victims family who still live with this tragedy daily 🙏
Maybe if she was his wife, she might have lied on his behalf. He was just stringing her along, with the "girlfriend" scam or the "fiancé" (with no ring and no set wedding date), for an indefinite time period scam. She was just a place holder, until he gets the next person, who he could lie to and control.
Everything aside, can we all just appreciate how nice the quality is for the court cameras? It looks like a damn movie, kudos to who ever made that decision.
@Bill Simmons or perhaps maybe...he could have been idk... A PERSON not a statistic and even so what gives this guy the right to play god and kill a kid? Put yourself in the shoes of the parents of the child c'mon
@Bill Simmons lol what? 'Statistically, given that he was shot and killed by some random white guy for listening to music, he would have ended up dead or in prison'
He'd still be alive if they had any respect and turned down the music. Not saying that Dunn isn't a idiot. But we all know that they were acting like punks
@SouthJerseySound yeh ofcourse dunn is a psychopath but kids be like they are the greatest and strongest in the world, are extremely rude. Parents play a big role in upbringing, kids have to be taught how to respect.
@passe leegum exactly and had they been taught some respect they'd still be alive. Now I'm not making a excuse for Dunn but the facts are facts nonetheless.
It's quite scary that this man could quite possibly still be on the streets, still shooting children, had he just requested a lawyer during the interrogation.
Yes. I'm from Jacksonville and remember when this happened. I'm in no way condoning his actions but it amazes me how the majority of these guys/gals don't lawyer up...
@Kent, Knight of Caelin I actually think it’s the complete opposite! They feel so in the right a lawyer isn’t even needed, they don’t feel like they have anything to hide, that they didn’t do anything wrong.
@Natalie I think you’re right on. And he totally thought those police would be like, yeah, you shouldn’t have killed the guy but we’ll give you a pass wink wink.
Yeah luckily people like him are usually so detached from reality they just expect everyone to go along with their version of events. He totally thought he was strolling out of there with a pat on the back.
The problem is the law in the US. Here in Canada, to get away with shooting someone, that person would have to shoot you also, you have to show equal force to be able to plead self defence. Also we have better gun control so you couldn't just walk with a handgun and it would be unlawful to use it that way. And guess what we have almost no shootings like that and we people use a gun for violence it is almost automatically a prison sentence.
Just change the legislation I really don't get your country...
@Gabriel Massicotte-Rochon I'm from Australia and I think the laws over there need to change also. We have stricter gun control than Canada and, sure, people still get shot from time to time but it doesn't happen nearly as often as in the US, nor on the same scale. They have mass shootings all the time, we very rarely have them. It is far, far too easy to get a gun in the US.
@Moritz Dietrich In the video you can tell that in court he is much more confident and consistent, a ways more consistent and picky about what he says.
The Detective that can be seen next to Dunn is so annoyed by him you can see it multiple times in the video. It would be funny if there wasn't a 17-year old that died.
The first time the black detective spoke up he turned to him in shock, like he wasn't supposed to be the one questioning him. He's such a racist pos. I loved when the detective just put his head in his hands lol
Ragerodracir ——-I find that the most bewildering part. EVERYONE has had an annoyance while driving, tailgaters, comes across to occupy your space, won’t move at traffic lights, swervers, people cut in front & slowing or even stopping, but you leave it in your rear view mirror. You don’t engage with them because it’s MOMENTARY. This screwball not just engages but he kills a kid and he’s totally nonplussed by that! It’s amazing he’s lived this long and good for screwy Rhonda to go find another gem like Dunn.
Worst of all is when you refuse to break so your brain goes old school cop style and beats the shit out of you with the neurological equivalent of a phone book, lol
I dont think it's that fascinating really, just a grumpy guy who gets angry when hes drinking liquor. Maybe he saw a gun maybe they ditched it when they left but most likely he just assumed they were probably armed being young and black. I doubt this would have happened if he was sober. Either way he never stopped to think about what he was doing and now hes gonna pay for it.
Akash Gupta Not really. Like I said just search YouTube for police interrogations. Some go for hours so watch a bit and if it peaks you interest watch some more videos. Hopefully soon enough Jim will feature the criminal on his channel 😊
Imagine how horrifying that was for the teenagers.... U are just listening to music and all out of sudden a crazy man decides to shoot you because he is on a power trip. Its just mind boggling and scary. Something out of a horror movie.
Thank you for mentioning this. Like I get the fiancé he's a saint but these kids may have been saints too. It's still like what white washing the situation
@M 3 this is obviously because of the humans that migrated out of Africa and mixed with Neanderthals. Neanderthals died out because they were unfit for survival. Modern humans made them go extinct. So it is short your comment does not make any sense. One because of evolution. Two because human beings are also mammals. We all fall under that category of animals in that regard. Read a book once in awhile thanks!
@Lucas Campbell not my point, point is if it truly bothered him that badly you do not whip out a fucking gun you call the authorities and pull the "disturbing the peace" card
@Steven Schnepp I can see how you have this viewpoint but you’re unknowingly sympathizing with this man. No matter what the situation is. No one needed to die. And when I say white kids wouldn’t understand. It’s because they will not experience an eminent threat like this. I’m generalizing because the privilege that exist is obvious. Don’t gaslight me to try to come off as understanding yet debatable. It’s embarrassing
@Steven Schnepp if those kids were white would they have been shot in your opinion ? Ask yourself this and don’t assume my viewpoint of you or white people is that of racism. Because it’s not. But if you’re a sympathizer I assume you’re white as well. And In that case, it’s entire up to you to realize that what was done here was done based off prejudice. Nothing else
Hopefully the parents of those teenagers will teach their other kids to keep their music down in public and to not escalate situations with crazy people to avoid such horrifying fates. No matter how wrong or right your behavior is you should deescalate situations when confrontations are happening, and of course avoid being a public disturbance in the first place to not attract crazies to confront you.
@Milktube I thought they were like 18 or so. They prolly go to college and aren't living with parents any more. Parent wouldn't even know that their kids are causing trouble out there until this incident. It was lucky that there happened to be a psychopath parked next to them to scare them in to possibly becoming a more sensible citizen.
I remember the same thing happened to me a couple of years ago. Me and my friend were playing football in this small alley and there was a house near us. Everything was fine until this old crazy man ran out with a gun in his garden and pointed at us. Both of us ran and thankfully he just wanted to scare us away. Btw this man didnt give us any warning before he pulled out a gun. Idk why Its so hard for some people to act normal.
@Mylena zvezta you are missing the point, I suggested he call the police for the soul purpose to show that is what most would do after they started threatening him and having the music up; only a lunatic decides to shoot people up, and even you don't call the police you ponder on it or ponder on at least kicking their stereo but never shooting them
I remember when this happened. Listening to that phone call when he was talking to his girlfriend, it made me so mad but it also showed his character. Who was that demon trying to fool?? I know this was very hard for his girlfriend because of who he was to her but doing the right thing is always the best decision. She dodged a bullet because she got to see what type of demonic entity she was about marry before she took the walk of shame down the isle.
At the very most, you can contact the gas station owners or file a complaint about disturbing the peace. But anyone with critical thinking skills can determine this guy’s gripe with these kids was not just about the music.
Exactly!!! Just like that it's over. Your whole life will be spent in jail and there is a young man with no criminal record or violent history is dead. Not sure if he care about the latter but it is still horrible. Somebody's child and sibling and friend. Everything he was going to do in life will never happen. Heartbreaking. I hope everyone takes a lesson from this. Don't let your ego and/or anger get the best of you and on the other hand you never know who you're running your mouth at or what type of hype they are on.
It's obvious alcohol had a critical role in this, along with countless drunk driving and domestic violence incidents. I wonder when they will finally make such an evil substance illegal.
@Pickles Meanwhile, i cant buy my glorious pot, love and peace weed from a normal store, instead i have to go to places where the son cry and the mother dont see, places like fucking hell, or wait the rare good will of a friend. Fuck!
@Two0Nina I'm not sure, I was just commenting that alcohol precedes acts of violence, including domestic violence as well as shootings. On one hand it wouldn't surprise me, but on the other it seems as though this guy has never dealt with the wrong end of the law before, as he really thought he was going to "talk his way out of it" and go home. In order to be arrested for domestic violence you have to have charges brought against you -- with a temper like that combined with his victim complex I'd be terrified of him if I were the fiancee.
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bill p2020-03-05 03:47:43 (edited 2020-03-05 03:49:47 )
My guess is his actions had nothing. to do with the music
@Pickles Alcohol should not be illegal. They tried that in the 20's, and all it did was make the crime, murder, organised crime and addiction rates skyrocket, in addition to an increase in other health problems caused by black market alcohol mixed with poisonous additives. As a matter of fact, prohibition essentially created American gang culture.
Prohibition doesn't work.
And anyway, most people who drink are able to do so without killing or hurting anyone.
awesomeguynamedjon And so you think alcohol, instead of guns, should be illegal? I’m afraid the evidence shows the latter, my friend. The problem is the guns, not the alcohol.
J English that a dumb reson to kill someone, you might be one of those people that think the guy that came back to work and kill his coworkers bc they fired him and treated him bad was a just reason for him to kill them. You mist think that it was just for Watts to kill his whole family bc he find another chick and his wife and kids was in the find instead of getting a divorcee. Sometime you should just walk away why kill someone bc you mad when you can just walk away and go someone else, all the cases i names the evil killers can not control his feeling and just leave and that why no one have to die.
@MONEY/SUCCESS 10Million Yes. And let them handle the situation considering it's their property. Literally any option is better than fucking killing someone.
@Just Another Happy Humanist Oh, I totally agree with you. My statement was meant to highlight other, modern substances currently under prohibition and the subsequent profiting of cartels, millions spent to ruin the lives of and cage nonviolent offenders, and the high death rate due to lack of regulation. For some reason people are happy to peaceful drug users in jail just for possessing a substance, but nobody blinks an eye at all the crime caused by alcohol. Seriously though, next time you call AT&T when your Internet goes out, there's a good chance you're talking to someone getting paid a nickel an hour in prison on the other end. (Slavery is legal in the US if you have been convicted of a crime.) Anyway, have a good one!
Pickles Oh, I totally agree with you about prohibition in relation to other substances, and the prison-industrial complex. And you’re right that alcohol causes more damage (emotional, physical, and psychological) than other substances. It just shouldn’t be illegal, either, because prohibition doesn’t work - with any substance. Regulated legalisation is the best course of action, the way we already do with alcohol and cigarettes. That won’t prevent people from making poor choices - but that’s something the government can’t wholly stop. Some people are always going to make bad decisions. Even if you regulate absolutely everything humans have ever produced, there’s still always going to be some moron who throws someone off a cliff, or jumps off that cliff themselves. That’s why, in conjunction with regulation, education is also important (and I don’t mean the pseudo-drugs education of the Reagan, Bush, and Clinton Eras - I mean real, scientific education that conveys, and simplifies, the findings of up-to-date neuropsychpharmacological research). People should have the right to make their own informed decisions - whether those decisions are bad or good. Society would be the better for it (especially because of the issues you raised in relation to the prison-industrial complex, but also because addiction rates and social stigma would decrease - causing more addicts to feel comfortable seeking help, and gangs would lose a major source of revenue. Another positive aspect of regulation is that health-related substance issues - including overdose - would not be as numerous, since substances would hopefully be regulated, free from dangerous admixture, and standardised, so people wouldn’t risk getting a dose stronger than what they expected. Even people who have never touched a substance in their life should be able to see that legalised regulation is the only ethical, rational, scientific, and intelligent option.
Anyway, I think we’re coming from pretty much the same viewpoint. I’m preaching to the choir, aren’t I? 😊
Why Would I Imagine Something That Stupid? Why Would Anyone Suggest I Imagine That? Imagination Should Be for Rainbows & Unicorns!!!... Not Beavis & Butthead!!!! Cheesecake Head!!!
plops993 I agree that possession of a gun emboldens these people to put themselves in confrontational situations that they would otherwise almost certainly avoid. However, it is the same concept for the victims, they also felt emboldened by their youth and numbers to win a physical confrontation which caused them to put themselves possibly in one. Had it been a single small black man and a much bigger stronger white guy, the black guy probably would not have turned the music back up
Both sides are using a “might makes right” justification for their actions. Both also have the possibility of deadly force as a result, because people die from head trauma from losing a fight sometimes. However, the gun is far more lethal, obviously
@J English Imagine getting killed by some thugs because you complain about their Music- this easily could have went the other way & then EVERYONE would have had something to say negative about the kids who got approached about music then started shooting at the approachee
@YoLo Videos Me too, I don't care what people think, granted no ones every said anything to me, and I'm a 48 year old white/blonde lady in a shady part of town. I stick out like a sore thumb.
Image murdering someone who threatens to kill you and is waving a gun. Every sane person would do the exact same thing Michael Dunn did. It's a shame he didn't get all 4 of them.
@Love to share or just driving away. But i think he was viewing himself as being attacked by someone "lesser" not obeying his word and therefore his self awarded authority was challenged. Thugs, animals, and whatever else he called the kids. I like most those comments that say "maybe he was not a racist???" Like really?
Andrew Heffel2021-06-13 00:16:43 (edited 2021-06-14 00:24:44 )
This is facinating, like watching a train wreck in slow motion. The cops are highly skilled. He is guilty of murder, and he is helping the cops convict him. To protect his rights, he should never have spoken with the cops at all. He is saying all the wrong things. I can see why defense lawyers always advise clients to not talk to the police without counsel present, regardless of guilt or innocence. STFU until your lawyer arrives.
EDIT: One thing I really like is the cops are doing their job. They see the black teenagers are the victims, and are charging this man with murder. All police need to do their job in a professional and unbiased manner.
This is honestly the truth. Good on them for putting him away not this. It's inexcusable. They hadn't done anything to warrant any use of a firearm, taser, blade, or any other device used for self defense. They were only verbal and he attacked them with a (very pretty might I add) firearm. Something like that doesn't belong in the hands of someone like that.
45 minutes in... and I have still NOT heard him say anything about him feeling badly for shooting children, injuring them physically and mentally And killing a kid.
He sure is sad that he... has a puppy though? Very odd. Literally the only emotion he displays, other than some anger in that phone call about being a "victim", is crying because he's thinking about a dog. He killed a 17 year old kid!
And he'd "do it again"! He was more concerned about keeping the police up, or missing his favourite TV show or whatever "5 other things" than taking a life.
@Silvano stand your ground laws state that you have to retreat unless you can’t. You can’t chase after the person or shoot them anywhere that isn’t in the front of the body bc otherwise you’re trying to kill them, not protect yourself
@Shaneia Pearson when she said she was too afraid to say anything to him after the shooting so she wouldn’t make him more angry Yeahhhh that tells me he was abusive
@whoop S H doesn’t mean they were abusive it’s just pure fear you watch someone murder a group of people and wonder what might happen to you if you try and get involved or something along those lines
@starving But listen to the prison call, with all the "Yes, I know" and avoidance answers instead of being frank and telling him he's not a victim. He's in prison and can't get to her but she still is afraid of angering him. That doesn't happen overnight. It's a conditioned response.
Even in the one on one interview with the detective, she was more confident giving her side of the story than what she thinks Michael would want to hear in the court room.
Definitely she’s obviously a lovely human being in terrible situation my heart goes out to her those poor kids should not have had to deal with this asshole
As soon as she said he started by saying he hates thug music and her reply was "yes I know", it seemed like she listened to him rant about his pet peeve on more than a few occasions. He was obviously the music police and wasn't going to let another offender go with just a warning.
@Luciano Victor she just always makes herself the victim in any situation. People don’t like her work? They’re bullies. She gets called out for bad behavior? They’re bullies. She’s the victor and the victim.
That line gave me some slight PTSD, because it's the same kind of gaslighting my abuser used to do.... It's made me extremely skeptical when people are too eager to blame someone. Probably trying to make them a scapegoat for their own ass.
If I may be partisan, from the moment Stand Your Ground Laws (as well as Castle Doctrine to a lesser extent) were passed, the political opponents have been framing it as "License to murder" and painting it like that silly hunting scene in the first season of South Park, where all you need to say was "I was in fear for my life!' or "I THOUGHT they had a gun" and like Magic you go free. I believe they make such outlandish claims to scare people into being against which is actually quite a reasonable law, but you can only tell such lies for so long before a loser like Dunn actually believes them and shoots a young man because he got mad.
Learning Makes Me Happy you know Shaun is a left leaning political Channel and obviously had a bit of a slant. Zimmerman was legally in the right, regardless of whether or not you think it’s racism that caused him to follow Trayvon in the first place.
Cases like this?? 1 case of sum crazy dude with a gun and MOST people shouldnt have one? You do know citizens with guns save more lives a year than are taken by nut cases with guns... doesn’t matter any way because OUR RIGHT to bear arms shall not EVER be infringed..
That’s why mine stays in my bedside nightstand. Only used if someone breaks in. I NEVER take it with me anywhere. Even though it’s legal by certification, i just don’t see a need.
Reminds me of the Simpsons episode where Homer goes to buy a gun and the clerks says, "There's a 2-day waiting period." Homer says: "Awww, but I mad NOW....!!!"
@SHONUFF Three million lives saved by guns every year? From what? It would be from guns would it? The Kleck Gertz study that provides the number 2.5 million, is complete nonsense. About 20% of their respondents estimated that they would have been killed had they not defended themselves. That works out to 500,000. In 1994, the year of the study, there were 18,000 homicides. We do not know how many orders of magnitude Kleck and Gertz are out by.
It's not 30,000, it's 40,000 gun deaths in america each year, and climbing. (2017=39,773 deaths). America has more lax firearm laws than any other developed country, and it shows. Stricter gun laws actually DO lead to less gun violence; not only in other countries but also in the states. If there's less guns, there's less shootings. It's simple math.
Assault weapons don't belong in law enforcement or in the hands of the average joe. They are designed specifically to shoot lots of people. You can't hunt with it or defend yourself with it. They're toys of war. They don't belong in the public.
If you're the kind of person who believes your gun would be taken away if background checks become stricter, you shouldn't have one.
@Randy Weaver sorry, but I find your argument is invalid. Keeping fire extinguisher(s) in a home would not make one a "fire nut" because: 1) people don't carry a concealed-carry extinguisher around with them at all times, and 2) people don't spray people with the extinguisher because they "feared they would spontaneously combust."
@Robert House Ok, I looked it up. Here are my findings: The american average for every 100,000 people is 11.9.
Illinois: 1490 gun deaths,11.7 out of every 100,000 people. No firearm registration, bulk firearm purchase restrictions, or local government authority on firearms. Does have background checks, waiting periods, handgun design saftey standards, and extreme risk prevention laws.
Missouri:1144 gun deaths, 19 out of every 100,000 people. No universal background checks, waiting period, firearm registration, gun dealer liscensing, ammunition sale regulation, local government authority of firearms and ammunition.
New York: 900 gun deaths, 4.4 out of every 100,000 people. No waiting period. Does have background checks, gun dealer liscensing, assault weapon ban, handgun liscensing, handgun saftey standards, ammunition sale regulation.
Canada has a rate of 2 per 100,000. The European Union has a rate of 1.34 per 100,000. Australia has a rate of .9 per 100,000.
I'll take some disgruntled gun owners over thousands of dead people any day, thanks.
@Subversive Control Wow, what a convincing and rational argument. You got me, dude. Liberals destroyed. I've said my piece on the issues. Maybe when you're ready to grow up, you'll feel the same way.
Now go ahead and vomit out another pithy remark. I know you won't be able to resist getting the last word.
Holy shit how did I get so many likes? I don't even know what I'm talking about xD my comment isn't even original I just commented the same as someone below me LOL
LaughingDove I also encourage you to research the Hollywood Bank Robberies if you truly believe in taking away “assault weapons” (what a ridiculous fucking term) from law enforcement
@tortoise he did plenty of things 'wrong' to put himself in a situation he didn't need to be in. Don't confuse 'legally justified' with intelligent conduct. The action he took after getting his head smashed against concrete passed legal muster for self defense, that's it.
What I am genuinely confused by is : the USA has su h a high murder rate compared to the uk Australia NZ and canada. Yet these countries have very strict gun control and hand guns are extremely difficult to obtain . So how are your very open gun laws working to keep you safe?
@Howard Gibson yeah and how will you defend yourself without a gun? Do you know that people who want to commit murders would get illegal guns anyway? Why most murders happen in gun-free zones and places with strict gun rules?
@wivuyao You are correct that guns were taken away from Jews. Regulations were actually loosened for whoever Nazi Germany deemed "ordinary". And It's silly to think that if they had had their weapons they could have taken down a fascist police state that most of the population of Germany supported or tolerated. And I actually do want people to have the opportunity to defend themselves with a firearm. Background checks are essential as a matter of public safety, not as some kind of conspiracy to quash rights. And you do realize that an "illegal gun" usually means a gun that was purchased legally in a state with lax laws and brought into one with stricter laws, right? They're not coming from secret weapons factories lol. A convicted felon can visit any state with lax laws, purchase a firearm from a private seller, and own it that day.
@wivuyao and the 1994 Federal Assault Weapons ban was laughably weak and poorly planned. It only banned the possession of the targeted weapons that were received after the date of the enactment. It had no buy back plan implemented, so people wanting to get rid of their now-illegal weapons sold them to whoever would buy. It also exempted hundred of kinds of automatic and semi-automatic weapons, like the AR15. It's no surprise that an act so small and only lasting for 10 years made such little impact on gun violence.
Some people are not cut out to own a weapon, especially those who regularly consume above average amounts of alcohol, which impairs judgement as well as any drug out there....
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Matt Smith2020-03-14 09:11:14 (edited 2020-03-14 09:12:19 )
@SHONUFF I'm not saying you're wrong, but you're quoting a lot of statistics with no sources.
I've heard politicians before claiming unemployment has gone down, and they had the numbers to prove it. When I actually investigated it, the numbers went down because they changed the way they defined 'unemployed'.
It seems like the general rule should be: more guns available, more gun deaths occur. That is the general trend in the rest of the world, and makes logical sense. When you find stats that appear to contradict logic and the overall picture, I think you should be asking yourself where those numbers came from, and how the analyses were produced. If you know what you're doing, you can use the same data set to (apparently) support very different ideas.
@SHONUFF Because other civilised countries don't have such a problem with guns and violence.
Part of the problem of course is not the guns, specifically. However, knives have more additional uses than just destroying or killing what you point them at. Guns are way easier to kill with than knives.
If you have a look at the 'correct' stats, compared with the vast majority of other countries, it seems clear removing guns would improve safety, not the reverse.
As far as an armed population rising up against a tyrannical government goes, that's not very practical at all, and hasn't been for a long time. Some might argue you even have the kind of government that should be overthrown right now, lead by an utterly corrupt, incompetent despot.
jen jen. rutherford This is months old and you come back lol, don’t you have anything better to do with your life? And on the contrary my family is quite content with the fact that I am well on my way to obtaining my Mechanical Engineering degree
Sometimes it seems that people who have liberal beliefs think people like me, who are very conservative, hard working members of society and the NRA, support these types of people. WE DONT. As a matter of fact, we wouldn't be in the situation he was in EVER because we wouldn't allow our significant others to go into a convenient store in a foreign area. (Foreign meaning an area not known to him)
Steamy Senpai Gun owners are not bad people for owning guns. Myself, my family, my friends are all responsible keepers of firearms. Unfortunately the bad apples in every batch get the most attention .
@SHONUFF "There are over 500,000 to 3 million lives saved by defensive use of a firearm in the USA a year. " Not sure how all these other countries cope without all the life saving fire arms they must have 10x the number of deaths of USA.
@Art Vandelay For sure. That doesn't make a moral or logical argument for it though. Guns are engrained in American culture. Why not just admit the obvious that they cause way more harm than they do good and that you don't give a fuck because you think guns are cool as they make you feel powerful?
Facts. 💯 This guy dreamed of unloading on someone many times before it happened. Bonus for him was that it was some black guys (or Thugs as he calls them).
@Subversive Control live somewhere where you're not constantly scared of "tweakers" breaking into your home? or in a country where theres an abundance of unsupported drug addicts because your govenment runs a war on drugs backed by racism and capitalism. the same people that control your guns lol
@Randy Weaver I see where you're coming from and I kind of agree, kind of disagree. I do believe in the 2nd amendment and that most people should have the right to own firearms, not only for protection but for recreation as well as long as you're able to be responsible. Michael Dunn clearly isn't responsible and should not have owned a gun at all. I think there should be some kind of test and/or mandatory safety instruction before you're able to obtain a license for a firearm.
@SHONUFF Jeez. One extreme to another. I agree that guns shouldn't be entirely outlawed but the idea that EVERYONE should own a gun is absurd. Should we really be giving guns to people with paranoid schizophrenia or people with a history of violent crime?
I grew up with guns, I used them as a kid. To me they’re just a tool. A dangerous one to be respected and kept away from people who don’t use them properly. My cousin told me his wife’s sister is married to a guy who obsesses about how much he needs a gun to keep the family safe. My cousin one said to him he lives in a town of about 1800 in Iowa where they had one murder over half a century ago and besides kids trying to get beer and people going ten over the speed limit, there is no crime in that town. The guy keeps saying it’s a dangerous world and it could happen there.
Randy Weaver Human can easily practice rights without a lethal weapon on their hands. Even tasers and stun guns require proper license where I live. I practice my rights, and I live with liberty. I feel safe. I don’t need to have a gun in my hand to do so. I can stuff a rock or a perfume bottle in my pocket when I go out alone in the dark to shoot photos. That makes me feel safe. Non lethal weapons are no problem, but this righteous behaviour that Americans exhibit that there is nothing wrong with their system is laughable. That is the reason you can’t bring your country back up from its state. You never acknowledge your mistakes, and with a president like that, I doubt there’s going to be any good news for you for a while.
Subversive Control And you think scaring the living shit out of him is a fair excuse for emptying 10 bullets in the CABIN of the car? If he was scared, he could’ve scared them away by shooting their tires or shooting on the ground if he really wanted to shoot. This man fully knew what he was doing and his intent is clear.
wivuyao You dont have a kitchen knife? A baton? Hiding spots at your home? The guns that you laude so much can be replaced with non lethal stun guns, or are you insecure of your aim?
@ItsVizor what about the people with illegal guns? How are you supposed to fight back against them.... With a kitchen knife LMFAO 😂. I hope you never get in a bad situation, because you aren't going to make it. This guy is the reason the firearm was used. You can throw that gun on the ground and it will never do anything but rot into the earth, he just purchased it legally.
Idk if shooting at a car park next to you and then as it’s driving AWAY from continue shoot constitutes as a guy with a hero complex. Sounds to me like the guy just snapped
500,000-3,000,000 self defense uses of a firearm every year in the United States according to the CDC. (Study ordered/authorized by the Obama administration)
@Laurel Street that sounds sensible. If someone is trying to get into your house that's a self defense issue without question. The problem seems to be the armed wannabes . As an outsider it appears to me your cops are plain terrified which makes them a danger.
@Robert HouseEven if ur claim was accurate, & it's not, correlation does not equal causation. In reality, generally, stricter gun laws do lead to fewer gun deaths...by causation.
@Robert HouseEven if ur claim was accurate, & it's not, correlation does not equal causation. In reality, generally, stricter gun laws do lead to fewer gun deaths...by causation.
That's the most dangerous type of gun owner. One who thinks he's deputized because he has one.
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Matt Turner2020-10-29 17:37:41 (edited 2020-10-29 17:41:27 )
I'm as pro-gun as they come, and have some reasonable basis to arm myself in the name of self-defense as I live and drive around some bad neighborhoods from time to time, but I've found that my everyday circles of life don't warrant me owning a firearm so I've made the conscious decision to take the risk of not being able to shoot back...maybe it's stupid, but I'm not one to escalate the situation, I'll try to be chill and listen and find some common ground. If somebody kills me in cold blood, the Gods will welcome me just the same, and the killer will be facing hell. Fair trade. Also, have some awareness, when I was 17 I was blasting music and thinking I was invincible, while music that isn't necessarily from your generation being blasted is annoying, have a little empathy, you know, kids want to turn it up, if they cross paths with you, you can ask them nicely to turn it down (if they're being disrespectful it should be pretty obvious), or just relocate to another area. Acting all superior and confrontational is a recipe for disaster.
The way he said "You were not there" chilled me to the core. He showed his true self in that moment. The self that the kid saw right before he died. Absolutely evil.
I would love to see an analysis of someone who actually defended themselves when their life was threatened. How different the responses would be. We only ever see guilty people, it would be great to see the interrogation of an innocent person
On one of his Patreon videos there’s a woman being questioned after her boyfriends Suicide, and she was completely innocent, but the interrogator was dead set on getting her to admit she murdered him. It was kinda sad
I think in legitimate lethal force self defense cases, the self-defender is often seriously fucked up about it, crying or incoherent. They feel guilty even though they shouldn't, and are often left with PTSD and/or lifelong nightmares.
The innocent ones are usually not involved but end up convicted because they're forced to confess. I know I'm digressing but those are the shows we get to see from innocent ppl
You can see it in his eyes in court,that's what struck me.. don't fuck with me. Maintaining a kind of victim facade during interrogation that fell away sharply in court.
Let the white racism out guys. Add something about white privilege, remind everyone of slavery, sprinkle some more buzzwords on top. Then the upper middle class white kids can relieve themselves of guilt from something they had nothing to do with. And minorities with a victim mentality can have an excuse to be hateful.
A lot of people in America who carry guns have a "I wish someone would" mentality. To them, the idea of needing to use their firearm for self defense is an actively enticing prospect. When that kind of person is significantly lacking morals in other areas and you catch them in a bad moment or on a bad day, they find a reason to use their firearm and take away life.
Beyond mass shootings, I view this as the second biggest problem with gun-ownership. Feeling a desire to defend yourself too often manifests in offensive use of a firearm, and actively poisons the culture of gun ownership.
the way it's put in the documentary, it truly seems like the guy was looking for a confrontation from the start, then lost his temper with these kids and started shooting to teach them a lesson ("you're not gonna talk to me like that") ; certainly his actions don't match what he says when interviewed by the police. BUT I think the scariest part is how later on at the court his version of the story changes and suddenly sounds much more reasonable meaning had he gotten a lawyer straight from the start, he possibly could've walked "free".
I think being rich and powerful the reason why people think the rich get off easy, when in actuality it is because they get a lawyer early. Thankfully not everyone thinks of getting one in time.
bravo1IsixI yes, i agree, while watching the video i often wonder if i could express myself propeŕy during the interrogation since it seems like every word you say can literally be used against you later on, including the intonation etc. and if you focus too much on choosing your words carefully, people might say you lack humanity and emotions - sort of a trap if you ask me... however, in this guys case with what he said and how he acted, im glad he didn’t get a lawyer, he did kill a teenager after all and it obviously wasn’t an accident either
As annoying as it is when people have super loud music and as stupid as this situation even is... it really is truly scary. He wanted his moment, and I know he was probably given a lot of praise for his actions.
BasedGod Strugglin' yes, probably so, I imagine many people will identify with his ‘court’ version of the story where he acts as the “protector” of the love of his life and so on and many will stand by him for showing those “thugs” what for; after all people believe what they wanna believe, most will never watch this documentary etc
These types of guys dream of the confrontation. They are eager for the opportunity to “defend” themselves with deadly force. Same with Zimmerman and so many others.
Ultradude I agree that was definitely the last nail in the coffin for him, but do you think had she not testified he would’ve walked free? It is possible, who knows..
Well, I like to think the forensic evidence and third party testimonies would be pretty damning. Sit back and think like a lawyer - how do you make him seem like the innocent one, in this particular situation? If his testimony contradicts the testimony of spectators in any way, shape or form, he's not going to be given the benefit of the doubt. What's more, the forensic evidence concluded that A) the SUV didn't have a single weapon, or objects that resembled weapons, anywhere. It could be argued that the party in the SUV would have WANTED to dispose of such evidence, but how are they going to when there were so many witnesses? The police probably showed up minutes later, so there was no way for them to just make the gun vanish. Moreover, they themselves never even LEFT the parking lot! If a bunch of punks had anything to hide, I doubt they would have hung back at the scene and waited to give their statements to the police, they'd either run to the hospital or hide out at a friend's place to lay low. And B) the victim never left the car. Ballistics don't lie, the victim was obviously in much more danger than Dunn ever was. And let's not forget how many rounds he peppered that SUV with - ten rounds is probably the entire clip. A simple warning shot or two would have drove the point right home. There just wouldn't be any way for a lawyer to use the cold hard facts of the case to somehow NOT make Dunn look like the aggressor. All he had to do was ignore some punk kids and their thumping bass while his biddy went and got some Merlot. The camera even showed her talking to the cashier when this all went down, so she would have been back out in under five minutes.
Hell, just look at the way he was testifying, even with his council's 'expert' advice. 'Yer not gunna kill ME, you SONOVABITCH!' What, does he think he's some grizzled detective in some early 80s pulp movie or Sin City or something? I would have actually had to stop myself from snickering if I was on jury duty that day. If I was in the situation he was in, my exclamations would probably be somewhere along the lines of 'OH SHIT', 'FUCK YOU', or just 'STOP' before opening fire.
μ Ted The pro-Dunn responses on the board put into sobering focus why anti-black racism has been so durable and intense in America. This case is settled: Rock solid forensic evidence, multiple eye witness (including the fiancée), and basic physics and logic all tell us what happened beyond all doubt, and yet countless people will still paint the black murdered victim as the aggressor and his white murderer as the innocent party who killed him valiantly and legally.
The victims were good kids who did no wrong, but the depths of anti black racism knows no bottom, and has been nurtured thru centuries of dehumanizing black humans.
Jiří of course that’s why (even tho I’m glad he didn’t) you should ALWAYS ask for a lawyer. Whether you’re innocent or guilty, they will fuck you over.
@Mc_ Zittrer thank you for this comment. You have a mountain of ballistic/physical and circumstantial evidence, eye witness and independent eye witness testimony and the initial police interviews up against basically just the perp's version of events; the latter's testimony alone is just not enough to create reasonable doubt. I'm a chemist who works in forensics, and while the US legal system does have major flaws, I still believe it is one of the best legal systems in the world.
@German Bro well if we talk about people who have a lot of money. you are right, it is the lawyer which keeps them out of prison. But some people have real power and the case would never go to court nor be on the news nor would you ever hear about it. they silence thousands of victims every year. especially women which have been abused by powerful politicians or famous people. Bill cosbys victims have been silenced for years, until no one cared about him enough any more to protect him.
@Sam-pson Smith reaching an out-of-court settlement or a party taking money in exchange for their refraining from engaging in legal action, is not the same as "being silenced", the latter which implies a threat of violence or coercion. I mean, do people not remember the Gennifer Flowers scandal which involved a woman making public allegations of sexual misconduct against the President of United States? Many of the actresses who accused Harvey Weinstein of sexual assault initially stayed silent in exchange for a large sum of cash or due to concerns about their career (albeit the latter is still a huge problem and could be considered coercion) but there was no physical barrier to them filing a suit against him.
@Somni 224 you are right, everything you said are real things, and real problems. but so is everything i said. People are being threatened and sometimes even killed to protect certain people in power. (The cosby case was just an example i don't know enough about it to argue on that.)
@Sam-pson Smith fair enough. I would say, however, that the cases where people have been silenced/barred from taking legal action through violence is more tied with criminal activity, such as instances with involving the mafia, than due to some flaw in the US legal system that makes such behavior a viable option; which was the point of my initial response to you.
@Somni 224 and i am saying it is not the mafia but powerful elite. which is i guess the point on which we disagree. i will not pretend to know enough about the US legal system to point out the exact flaws. i am not even talking about the US in general. But rather see that as a global issue. There are people above the law, that was my point.
"I didn't realize I was being charged with murder and attempted murder... That sucks" made me snort. Also like you know what really sucks? The fact a kid died.
I sat transfixed and horrified through the whole thing, then he said that and I snorted too. Then went right back to horrified.
It reminded me of me, though. I once got stabbed in the eye with a pencil (luckily not very deeply because I jerked back and it was a soft lead pencil), everyone turns around and looks and GASPs because I am sitting there with a pencil sticking out of my fingers what are covering my eye. I reach up with the other hand, yank the pencil out, hand it to the other adult who was coming over to assist me and said, totally deadpan, "Ouch. This sucks."
It’s clear he’s embellished the story. Why would one need to do that unless the truth is insufficient? “Scared for my life so I went back to my motel and waited for more armed thugs, ordered a pie, popped a cork and didn’t call police.” Really?!?
All he had to do was drive away from the loud music! Who is so entitled they think they are judge, jury, and executioner!!! Hey pops, let the kids have fun! You 😈 demon!!!
That’s the mind state of a person who has lived an entire life with white privilege & entitlement!He is white privilege personified for those people who don’t blv white privilege is even a real thing
“where did you shoot at” “i shot at the door” “what was the purpose of that” “to save my life” “....from the door...” IM PISSING MY PANTS THAT WAS SO FUNNY PLS. that cop was fed up w his bs
@Sean Matthew King Hey man, cops are individuals. Some cops genuinely shouldn't be cops, but it's unfair to assume all cops actively look for opportunities to kill.
I laughed pretty hard when Dunn says “I thought they’d shoot the car so I got out” and the cop goes “your car wasn’t shooting them!?” 😂
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A rare potato2020-12-30 04:21:37 (edited 2020-12-30 04:21:48 )
@Sean Matthew King I would agree to an extent.
On one side, Imagine someone who has been shot at multiple times in the past and many times you couldn't tell until after the first shot, and the PTSD effects your decision making when you see a sudden movement that could be someone reaching for a gun.
At the same time, there are officers who are rather trigger happy and are despicable.
tbh I think people like Dunn are... mentally unable to take responsibility, if that makes sense? So they'll (conscioously or unconsciously? I don't know) say stuff like "I shot at the door" instead of "I shot at the person behind that door", because shooting at an object and hitting someone "incidentally" is less bad that hitting someone with intent and damaging an object for that purpose.
Police interrogations will also often say stuff like "the event" instead of "the shooting" or "the murder". Might be something like, softer language so these people don't put a guard back up? It's easier to be "considered" "part of an event" than being "accused" of "committing a crime", especially if you're unable to take responsibility.
@Gabrielle Purdy it's not okay to kill, but at the same time not okay to disrespect people just because they wanted your LOUD music turned down. Man, imagine if they just turned it down to their own, and not threatened like they were tough guys, this would've turned out completely different
2020 and still think teenagers are innocents. Don't get me wrong, I agree that killing is wrong, but THREATENING to kill someone is fairly wrong too.
The fuck is wrong with you people defending these kids, masking them as "innocent". Not all of them are innocent.
@Dylan Boe You clearly didn't get the point. Did he shoot them because they're teenagers or did he shoot them because they were threatening to take his life?
@SilentGamer are the emojis too much for the nerd to handle? Do they hurt his smooth brain because he cant process emotions like the rest of us? Awww poor baby 😰😰😰
Dude’s a monster and a coward for pretending to be the victim. He’s too emotionally stunted to understand the perspective of those guys whose normal day he turned into an actual horrifying and traumatic nightmare. He can’t see himself from the outside. He can’t see what he did. It’s like he’s a toddler with no theory-of-mind. It’s creepy that someone can commit murder and then be unable to see themselves as a murderer.
39:33 The only plausible explanation for this contradiction is that when he used the word kids, he was just using it to describe people who were significantly younger than him, not necessarily people who are minors. I've met multiple people throughout my late teens and 20s who have referred to me and other people in my age group as "kids," not because we were actual kids, but because the person in question was middle-aged or older.
Not saying that the guy is defensible in any way, I'm just saying that it's something that a lawyer could explain away in court
I am sincerely disturbed by the prejudice of this dude and how it manifested into a total nightmare. What a tragedy. My heart hurts for anyone close to the situation and anyone even potentially triggered by this racist confrontation.
I can see how much it bothers her that it was her idea to stop at the store. She had no idea what was going to go down but if they skip that stop then non of this probably happens.
Rhonda did an amazing thing in telling the truth. This man was clearly a manipulative, controlling man. She did the right thing. You do not lie to cover a partners massive error. You never lie to law enforcement. You never "cover" for a partner. Its not worth the trouble you can get in. Honesty is hard, but it's so important. I respect Rhonda for being honest and doing what was right. She was hurting but stayed strong. I wish her all the best in her future I really do.
Despite the fact that this man is a cold blooded criminal and it’s good that he’s off the streets, this is another great example of why you should always get a lawyer.
He talked so much without counsel in his initial interrogation that his case was over before it even began. Crazy.
For telling the truth on the stand? Well, you know that she would have been crucified if she had said anything else... her earlier interrogation testimony was that no gun had been mentioned by Mike. The detectives made sure to get a recording of her saying it twice at least. So at the trial, she had no choice but to tell the truth on that point. The defense would have already known this and should have been prepared for it.
She sang like a bird because women watch a lot of true crime and they know what happens if you lie to the cops.
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Tor Nordmark2021-12-22 14:13:31 (edited 2021-12-22 14:15:41 )
The Way that he kept firing at the car when they were driving away reminded me of a Swedish shooting, where the cops killed a 20 year old man with downs syndrome, described as "Having the mental and communicative capacity of a 3 year old" He had ran away from home with a toy gun, an obvious one that is made of plasic and is green and blue. Cops found him due to the mother calling that he had ran away and was carrying a toy gun but just wanted him found. At the time he was apparently just playing in the woods.
The Three cops claimed they feared he was aggressive as he raised his obvious toy gun and shot at him 25 times, where 3 of those shots hit, two in the back with one being fatal. The cops was cleared of all charges.
"No no, we were the victims. He tried to attack us with an imaginary weapon!"
@Aimee Nicole it would be if it were true. Found the news story, neighbors called in to police saying they thought it was a real gun. It is described as resembling a ‘submachinegun’, not a ray gun. Young man’s name was Eric Torell, look it up.
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Jeff Roberts2021-12-24 01:26:05 (edited 2021-12-24 01:32:37 )
Alcohol, not wanting to look like a milk toast in front of your faience..and a narcissistic hero complex led to this. It always amazes me the lengths that people will go to..to try and make the world revolve around themselves. My condolences to the family of that young boy.
I honestly think he thought he’d get away with it, and have Rhonda white lie about not shooting or being there. But then someone died, and talking his way out of it was no longer the case.. The ego is so powerful, the ego has caused so many fights and deaths bc walking away seems weak. Walk away, it’s a harder option!
A few minutes of loud music while waiting for Rhonda, that's all it took, to turn lives upside down. Its entirely possible Mr. Dunn truly felt a sense of threat, at least a "perception of threat". Perceptions are learned, created, indoctrinated. Guns don't create security, in fact they create insecurity as we perceive others being armed. Guns aside, mind is another volatile zone, that's where emotions, reactions, thoughts, beliefs, pressures and perceptions are born, leading to rather erratic and automatic behaviors. So much chaos could have been prevented. RIP young man.
90 years plus additional life. Yikes. A lesson to all the rambos out there. RIP to the kid who was shot. Dunn lacking in self awareness. His guilt seems obvs.
I do have conflicting some thoughts about this video though. Claiming that he knew they were minors. And playing up his use of word kids. I call kids anyone under 27. I feel there was some bias apparent there. Also what if his fiance is fabricating claiming no weapon mentioned. She initially said it was fairly silent. My wife tonight forgot that she used to cover the kids milk with plastic wrap before microwaving. She swears she never did. Ut i recall vividly she did. People can forget things you would expect theyd recall easily.
Did this happen in Oregon? I'm an Oregonian and this reminded me a lot of how certain groups of people act. The whole "I was just defending myself, they were gonna kill me. They were thugs!" and it's just baseless attempts to justify dehumanizing other individuals. My heart goes out to the victim and their family. Justice was served although nothing will ever bring back the victim and that is what we must remember above all else.
Regardless of this case, all of the suspects that are interrogated on this channel are almost always convicted because they are stupid enough to talk to the police without a lawyer.
I feel bad for his daughter. She looked so beautiful at her wedding. Then all of this is going on. "What happened to your daddy, we are ready for the daddy/daughter dance." Well, he just killed a young man and went and ordered pizza. My wishes go out for the young couple. They look very happy.
Ruined his life on the day of his sons wedding over loud music... God damn man old people need to get off their high horse. Got what he deserved for his prideful view on life and what I assume are racial prejudices. I don't know how a man could try to justify pulling a gun like that and unloading the clip, walking away thinking he did the right thing.
He was already drunk and had that liquid courage… seen some young kids and tried to be a macho man… he actually thought he would get away with this crime
“The sad fact of it is, is that he’s telling me he’s gonna kill me” no THE SAD FACT is that you opened fire on a car full of unarmed boys, took one of their lives and feel no remorse about it.
They just could not get him over the bridge that there WAS NO SHOTGUN. It’s like he doesn’t want to be bothered with that minor fact and can’t understand why they keep bringing it up😂 He really believes it doesn’t matter whether they had a weapon or not. He genuinely believes all that matters is what was going on in his sick, demented head and depraved heart. Those rum and cokes betrayed him. Did him in. Devil. I hope he’s having a great time with Bubba😂
Frankly, if I killed someone I'd prefer to just get it out right away instead of lying about it. Honesty helps more. As my dad has said to me about any action that you think is right, but will be punished "Always count your coin, because there is no fooling the butchers bill."
All actions have consequences and you have to accept it, no matter what. You WILL pay the butchers bill, so be damn sure you can afford it before acting. Just because it cost more than you thought doesn't abstain you from the cost.
These people are just as dangerous as a "normal" murderer. They just hide it behind a facade of self defense and pretending to be the victim. Like a parasite.
This is a result of gun laws in US. You have a lot of guys like this (also see Michael Drejka) who are deeply obsessed with firearms snd quasi military training and are desperate for a situation to come up where they feel threatened so they could open fire. The defence is that people kill people not guns, but nobody outside of the US is driving around with knives and crossbows and going to knife clubs to learn self defence etc. 2A has a cost and this is it.
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Robert Gaudet2021-12-26 17:50:32 (edited 2021-12-26 17:51:01 )
@rafer Jefferson iii you picked out two of the worst examples possible. Not only that, but both examples are serving very long prison terms. Seems like the system is working.
@Robert Gaudet well, it isn’t is it? 2 men are dead, and the state has to support 2 men in prison until they die. Whereas this wouldn’t have happened at all in Europe. For goodness sake try to think these things through, if the system worked those 2 men would still be alive.
Calling them “kids” doesn’t mean he knew they were “kids” could just mean “young people”. That man is old. I’m in my mid 30s and even I call people that are 23-24 year olds kids lol. Someone who is 24 is obviously full grown. Just something I wanted to point out. Anyways what happened was WRONG it did not need to end in a shooting with a pointless loss of live. Very sad
Can we take a moment to appreciate Rhonda for being a genuinely honest and kind human being and not even for a second considering she could lie to protect this monster? Thank you, Rhonda. I'm sorry this man stole your heart and your time from you. You'll find someone much better.
56:00 - When Dunn's entire defense collapsed due to the honesty of his girlfriend. Damn, I guess he didn't have those mind-control powers that he wished for.
23:40 you can kinda hear in the cops voice “ya know hindsight’s 20/20!” Ok so now he’s saying he saw a barrel??? Which was it?! A shotgun across his chest or a barrel? AUGH, those independent witnesses’s will fuck ya every time right?!
If only he knew how to keep his thoughts to himself and how to keep his big mouth shut.
Had he just remained in his vehicle and waited for his fiancé to return, they proably wouldn't have been around the so called "thug" music much longer. And the poor kid would have never have lost his life at such a young age.
Also, what the f!ck is "thug" music? Like how does a person consider a certain type of music, "thug"? Just because you don't like it? I don't like rap music, but I don't think it's "thug" music. I just don't like it. It's not my taste, not my style.
nah yeah i could see him making up the shotgun thing after realizing what he did - no idea how a cop could wrap their mind around anyone doing something like that though i mean 'he definitely had a gun' amirite?
This is why I avoid any public altercations. You never know who will be a psychopath looking for someone to shoot. They should have just kept the music down and left. He shouldn’t have asked them to turn the music down in the first place but since he did they could have just gone on their own way. Being a tough guy is never worth it due to psychos like this guy
15:06 i just wanted to say that i sometimes refer to others as "kids" even though they're adults and sometimes even older than me. generally when i use it in this way, it's more of like a condescending remark to something they've done that's juvenile. i don't mean to defend the guy; even with my usage of the word, it implies he saw their loud music as juvenile and thought himself better than them because of it. i just don't agree with the prosecution suggesting his usage of "kids" implies he knew their age.
Nothing will justify that poor boy's death, but I'm so glad they confronted him at the end and told him that he had NO criminal history. Truly breaks my heart. I hope he's living peacefully in heaven.
I have to say that I am in my mid 50s and everyone younger than me is ‘a kid’, a girl or boy. I’d say up to about 40 yeah. Those kids. That girl… Just the way I talk and think. Everyone doesn’t do those things the same.
"I have so much going on in my personal life..." Oh really? Pray tell! "The last thing I want to do is be in trouble." And so that's why I carry a Dirty Harry-style gun in my glove box.
While he seems to have been in the wrong it seems a severe sentence compared to many other criminal cases. I had a shadow of a doubt until his fiance's testimony.
“I really didn’t know that I was being charged with murder and attempted murder… that sucks…”
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Single mumma2021-12-22 07:27:28 (edited 2021-12-22 07:36:43 )
I get the feeling he was abit drunk and aggressive when drinking, he snapped over something so small, loud music, he aimed his loaded gun straight at them boys with intent to put a bullet in them, why didn’t he just show it as a scare tactic he didn’t really need to shoot, obviously he wasn’t thinking clearly due to having 4 rum and coke, and being somewhat racist, and showing no remorse for killing a boy, hes gunna regret that decision the rest of his days
why in the US you cant talk to lawyer before speaking to police? i mean i see in all the videos the accused men are kinda forced to speak to police without even seeing a lawyer
The black gentleman in the yellow tie at the trial, most likely Jordan Davis's father, looked like he wanted to jump out of his skin when done recounts his "chits going down" version of events.
I've been next to vehicles with the music blaring and bass thumping. It is irritating because I don't like loud noises. But what you do is just wait it out. She was going to be in and out of that store in 5 min. or less. He certainly could have put up with the music for a few minutes.
I just don't understand. Trust me, I go to work every morning, so if he was home trying to sleep while some dude was outside blaring music, I'd be very sympathetic to that. Been in that situation before and it's very stressful. But bro!! He was at a gas station during the middle of the day!! Like how tf was that music bothering him? It's music, it wasn't physically affecting him. It wasn't keeping him awake. What a baby smh
I would argue just bc using two hands doesn't mean it takes more time to think. If you've trained yourself to draw and fire with two hands, it's natural if able.
Sad! Over music 🎶 he didn't understand or like. We live in a world where people believe they can't be offended. Learn to deal with things you can't control.. and control ourselves. Peace ✌
Its not like you are going to be at the service station for a long time. Why mess with folks? Let people alone. If they are not mess with don't mess people back
20 bucks says he's that guy at the range shooting at the burly thug with the gun paper target practicing his two hand draw just waiting for the day someone tests him
Poor innocent kid , RIP ! This sick monster who killed you unfairly is not capable of hurting more innocent people, he is rotting in jail for the rest of his life ! Never gonna see the day light 😢 no remorse no conscience no dearness ! Nothing at all ! It’s shocking how he deal with killing an innocent unarmed underage kid just listening his favorite music 😭 and about Rhonda just respect ! She is a honorable woman !
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Jack Cade2021-12-22 16:50:29 (edited 2021-12-22 16:51:46 )
Little man (nothing to do with physical size) spent his whole life being small (listen to his wheedy voice), as he was, until in one moment he found an excuse to use the gun to make himself feel big.
But it didn't make him big. It just made him a small, dangerous man with a gun, who was becoming even smaller. Being dangerous isn't big, it is, actually, the opposite.
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robert adriano2021-12-26 14:59:54 (edited 2021-12-27 19:18:37 )
What I don’t understand is that the detective says “I can’t shoot someone because I THINK they have a gun, despite officers killing people all the time because they THINK they have a gun” sounds a little odd to me
This is why A. You should have proper training to own a gun and B. You shouldn’t point a gun at someone you don’t intend to kill. What a sick boomer fuq!
Kids blast their music. It’s just part of adolescence and young adulthood. I hate to say it but I think this is really about race. Because I can’t help but wonder if he would’ve reacted like this if the kids were white.
This is why I told my teens to be cordial with their elders. So many older men especially are hateful to young men. I have heard older ladies call teen girls whores because of their fashion statement s. Short or those tight fitting clothes & how dare these women use that language around kids ! I instructed my kids to be helpful but careful ,feel the elderly out a bit as some have dementia & guns. Guys have told my son's computers are stupid & they are gay for going to college & getting a PhD they should work a Man's job like the military or construction. 😆 Beware of Crazy old people with guns !
Andrew Mahon so you're admitting that you're no better. well i guess i agree.
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Andrew Mahon2020-08-19 04:27:31 (edited 2020-08-19 04:33:32 )
Peyton Farrell aight so the guy calling black kids vile creatures and wishing death on them is okay but me wanting a racist to get beat up is so wrong. Sorry but I think I’m definitely better than someone wishing death on “vile creatures”. Just admit you’re racist like that other guy and move on
@VC Islander I`ve been attacked by gangs, robbed, carjacked and kidnapped....on and on....and they say I hate for no reason. If I go into detail YouTube simply deletes my comment. The violence and hatred directed at whites is effectively covered up.
@Termite Bacon Any interaction with this race is dangerous. Your "friend" will draw others in who will scope out your place and eventually rob you. This is a common occurrence. When you let your guard down around these creatures, or project your sense of morals and decency on them, you might be making a fatal mistake. Yes, some bees don`t sting, but I dare you to kick the hive. But bees only sting in self defense. These creatures will destroy you out of pure animal instinct, envy, and blind hatred.
I REALLY feel like Rhonda was abused on a regular basis by this man. She was clearly terrified of him that night, she was afraid to say anything to him so she kept quiet- she even said she didn't want to upset him, so I bet his anger is often out of control- and then she was afraid to talk about it on the way home so she was silent as he continually lovebombed her to try to manipulate her into backing him up because he knew they'd both be found and questioned soon. She hesitated and was even afraid to say to the investigator that she was thinking "how could he do something so stupid" because she generally isn't able to voice thoughts like this about him. His abuse is evident all over her, and I hope she's able to find strength in herself and move on from him. He's a covertly abusive monster.
Super appreciate this comment! I felt all of this but couldn't put it into words, so thank you. I think she's lucky he didn't kill her on the drive back or at the hotel that night.
this is reminding me of battered woman syndrome which idek how relevant that is these days or in this situation. but just that conversation where he calls her from prison is a prime example of his manipulation and her deescalation. she clearly disagrees with him when she says, let's not talk about this anymore.
Yeah definitely, I thought this too but I think when she hesitated and asked if she should be talking about what she was thinking it's probably because she was told to just state the facts in the interview. It seems like it was based on something the detective said earlier if you listen closely to how he replies. At first he absently replies then he seems to remember something and tells her to tell him everything.
My impression is that they are two very sheltered people who rarely, if ever, had any trouble with the law until he stupidly dropped this bombshell that destroyed and devastated so many lives. Watching this makes my heart break for the family and loved ones of of those poor kids and their friend who was murdered. And it breaks my heart to see Rhonda bravely doing the right thing by testifying and refuting his bogus claim that he told her he thought those kids were brandishing a gun. I'm just glad she was only with that guy for 4 years--a long time, sure, but still short enough that she can move on and put this dark chapter of her life behind her. If only the same could be said of the victim and his friends.
I was going to state exactly this. A guy who open fires at a car full of KIDS listening to music loudly has MAJOR anger issues. His reaction was so over the top it's insane. Living with him would be hell. You'd have to walk on egg shells all the time. To those who are familiar with narcissists like this it's clear to see how abusive he is.
U could see her shaking as she is testifying she was so scared she was going to say something to upset him just in the courtroom where he can't get to her and she is scared
Only past the phone call and I quickly get the sense he's the kind of guy who pushes people's buttons till they flip out so he can justified in his response.
Yeah. I knew a girl like that. Then when I pushed her buttons (after she did that to me 5 times) she got offended. Hahahahaha they never like it when the tables are turned
She's my hero. It's hard to do the right thing and choose to stand up for truth and justice when your loved ones are on the wrong side of it.
I'm sure she's a wonderful person with a kind heart. It's a shame for her that she had to be part of this tragedy. But lucky for the rest of us that there was a good person like her there to tell the truth of what happened.
If it wasn't for the kid dying, this would almost be laughable. He's using all the slang he's ever heard on Netflix. Thank God for honest witnesses and true justice.
"All that slang" could have been actually used in the event. Also he hardly mentioned any slang at all as far as I recall; I only heard him say one slang word "cracker". It's pointless since even if everything he said was true aside from the weapon it would still be murder.
Mshojat when he was describing what they apparently said (which apparently isn’t what they actually said) and was just spewing out “fuck that bitch I’m gonna kill the bitch”... I thought maybe they meant that as “slang”.
This guy IS a hateful racist, murderer with zero remorse. The part overshadowed in this story is a teenaged boy that was murdered and the horror his family and friends have been put through. Condolences and prayers for them.
@XaldinX i think they meant that IF michael said anything that was true, it would still be murder. the car was fleeing and no longer a threat. "suppression fire to keep their heads down" is murder
He's a cold blooded killer, if he didn't get caught he would've killed again. How could you eat normally after killing a kid? I think he should've gotten the death penalty.
Good God, when he said he didn’t want to cause the police “a sleepless night” - my mouth dropped open. Someone just died over loud music - and he is acting like nothing happened... wow...
No chance, cause it seems the car was immediately apprehended for evidence. Moreover I don't think they were so worried about the potential gun as much as their best friend bleeding out beside them. Also- if they had a gun why didn't they shoot back? The kids aren't to blame here.
This man was just incredibly racist and wanted an excuse to kill someone. I read those letters linked in the description and hoo boy. He was MESSED UP.
I always want evidence before calling someone a racist, no matter who--since that's a big deal. because the shooting itself wasn't proof he was racist, it just proved he was a horrible crazy man. But I just read those letters you linked and yup. He seems pretty racist. Thanks for sharing man. The other people who are skeptical of his Dunns racism should read those letters too.
@Derek Dan but even before reading the letters it’s clear that he’s racist, this man was trying to make those kids sound like they were and actual threat when it’s clear that they weren’t, ESPECIALLY when he said that they pulled out a gun. Try to be more critical the next time and not play blind
@Hotties Only how was what you just described racist? Is it racist to lie and make people look bad when they are innocent? I would say that's just evil. Those actions only only sound like someone who's irresponsible and really wanted to shoot people. Just because they happen to be different skin colors doesn't mean its automatically racist. Context matters. In this case, this guy is crazy, and there evidence to back up this was also racially motivated.
Derek Dan To automatically associate a black kid coming at you with a mortal threat is an expression of racist beliefs. So even at his best, assuming he’s telling the truth and honest in his beliefs, Dunns’s a racist. This is with or without him being a “horrible crazy man” who shoots to kill.
@Derek Dan context matters, the context is: they were black and he’s racist. There is literally no reason for him to feel like his life is at risk. And I don’t think you’re getting it, this wouldn’t have happened if they were white
@Chun Chung Chauwe're obviously looking at from different perspectives. The same could've happen with a white kid or an Asian kid. You can also assume a white, Indian, native American or Asian kid etc. is a "mortal threat" you don't have to be racist to assume that. It could be something you do with any human being. Obviously in this case, seems racism definitely played a part. The only thing I'm saying is that a shooting between two opposite races doesn't automatically mean racism. That would be ridiculous to assume, especially if you believe we are part of the same human race, color doesn't matter. That's why its important to find evidence someone is racist before calling them racist. In this case there is definitely evidence with everything he said and wrote.
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Chun Chung Chau2021-01-10 08:14:24 (edited 2021-01-10 09:01:10 )
Derek Dan Hmmm...I agree we need to be careful about accusing someone of being a racist given the seriousness of the allegation, but I guess what’s biting at me with these scenarios is simply the fact that exploring counterfactuals (eg would he have done the same thing had the kids been white or Asian?) just seems irrelevant.
Because what we’re dealing with here is an asymmetry of information: We DO know how he reacts to perceived threats coming from a member of a race (Jordan). The issue being whether we can validly infer from this a negative disposition he has against said race.
What you’re suggesting is that the inference can only be drawn if the asymmetry is corrected or if the negative disposition obtains in all possible worlds to the exclusion of a similar disposition against other races. But I disagree. I think this is asking too much because for one, the asymmetry will always be there: You can be racist against more than one race. If you’re racist against blacks chances are you’ll find reason to hate other races too. So it seems in order to answer the question “Was Dunn being racist?” under your paradigm, there’ll be an infinite regress where we demand more and more counterfactuals to be brought up until we are PERFECTLY CERTAIN, or it is a logical impossibility that someone is or is not a racist. Notwithstanding that many of these counterfactuals can never occur, which means these are impossible questions with no answers but mere speculation, thinking like this leads to the inevitable conclusion that NO ONE can be safely called a racist, no matter their actions. This cannot be right.
I think the relevant circumstances to be considered here must assume the following:
(1) The shooter is white (2) The unarmed victim is black (3) The alleged reason for shooting is because of a perceived mortal threat
In thinking about the validity of an inference of racial motive we can consider different events which do not contradict these established premises, eg whether the white shooter has or doesn’t have black friends, or has a rocky or cordial history with members of the black community etc etc. But to the point where you alter any of the premises, say, consider what would have happened had (2) been false, you’re essentially considering a situation VERY different from what we’re contending with here, with its own set of unique considerations.
For example, if we think about what would’ve happened had the victims been Asian, given the form of racism Asians face is generally speaking less overt and more “it’s a joke but not really”, the fact that Dunn decides to kill or spare the would-be Asian victims would have less bearing over whether racism can be inferred from the act, compared to the situation here where premises (1) and (2) are simultaneously true. I don’t think it’s unreasonable to say when a white man gets off from killing an unarmed black teen in the US, an inference of racism must be much stronger and more reasonable than in analogous instances of inter-racial violence between different races, where the motive can range from racism to insanity.
It’s similar to how certain “scientists” write books about blacks on average having lower IQ only to claim that they’re not racist because it’s just an empirical conclusion ~~ True as that may be, you can’t not question the decision to target blacks specifically in these books because the history of black enslavement and deprivation (both material and intellectual) is not something you can just overlook. Similarly when Asians are offended by bad jokes, you can’t just say “oh but racist jokes can be made about just anyone” because the weight of an act as evidence in deciding whether racism is a motive is contextual. And in the context of gun violence, the presumption, imo, is absolutely in favor of racism.
I apologize if I come off as being overly complicating but given the seriousness of the subject matter I feel I can only do justice by sketching out why it’s NOT UNREASONABLE to assume racism, or at least it’d be very hard for someone in Dunn’s position to claim he’s not a racist - even without the added info such as the letters which surfaced after the trial - when we’re talking about shooting specifically between blacks and whites in the US. And this presumption, while defeasible by evidence - is not just a product of “woke” culture. It’s grounded in rationality and cannot simply be displaced by remote counterfactuals.
@lady hotep yeah I saw this in another comment, did you see how he was talking to a white cop and when they asked him how he pointed the gun the night of the event he did the example pointing towards the black cop?
He’s definitely proud that he shot, as it was done so purposefully and maliciously, and doesn’t feel any guilt, and is even complimenting his gun handling skills. However he doesn’t want to deal with consequences.
I've been shooting all my life, and just recently got my License to Carry. I've had range sessions where I do something that I find extraordinary for me and I'm genuinely proud of my shots. I'm genuinely afraid this might be me in the future. I'm afraid there may be an altercation where I use my firearm in self defense, and am proud of it. Even with my LTC, I refuse to carry anything outside of range sessions.
@Gob Sauce I’m glad that you do that but I wouldn’t let people like this discourage you. You clearly show that you wouldn’t just shoot like this dude. The difference between you and this guy is one person is hoping for this moment while another dreads it.
@DownFromTheREEEfters Kevin found it surprising that dunn made it to his 40s but didn't find it surprising that a black teen got shot. Tells you something. I never said anything about big threats
@Odin Borsson no you implied that , context matters . This was a hate crime in my opinion dealing with an white and black person . Not Asian , Hispanic so therefore why are you trying to down play what’s happening to the black community it’s cultural insensitive , your basically saying black people aren’t the only race deal with racism that’s downplaying another’s experience
@M.J.E. maybe he did think this but didn’t state it? All we are saying is micheal was ready to kill, the other dude brought up a completely unrelated topic.
I'm surprised I can go a day on the Internet without gouging my eyes out. I wish people would stop trying to make some kind of a point all of the time.
@DownFromTheREEEfters you’re seriously trying to argue that because black on black crime exists, THIS crime wasn’t racist? He repeatedly called a car full of underaged black boys “thugs” for having loud music. I can’t even begin to count all of the things that went over your head just in that one comment.
@Kirsty~Welsh Amethyst Girl You have no evidence to assume that. Could just as well be that this is when he snapped. Good thing you're not in law enforcement.
@M.J.E. He doesn’t have to list everything he finds surprising about this case in a comment. It looks like you’re just searching for a reason to be offended
Didn't ask how his wife was, during the call. Claimed he was the victim. His wife severely enables him (presumably through fear) Such a sweetheart. She's lucky to not have him around..
Not at all, she didn't enable him. Shes was going through a lot and didn't want to fight with him. Also everyone knows that those calls are recorded, was she suppose to say, Mike you bastard you killed that kid for no reason?
@TRUTHSPEAKER wow... You have no idea what you're saying. For an account called "TRUTHSPEAKER" you just lied. The video broke down how he was lying about what he saw and what he did and how he did it. The only thing those kids were guilty of was being teenagers. They weren't thugs.
Yeah. We can’t. But us normal civilians don’t enjoy the privileges they do
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Jean Hunter2020-10-12 05:03:13 (edited 2020-10-12 05:03:45 )
I mean I think they’re doubting that he thought that at all during it. Considering there wasn’t even anything that resembled a gun nearby that he could point to.
@kay mulani I mean the police had breached the door and one was immediately shot. So yeah they had a pretty good reason to assume a weapon was involved.
@Malk Von Batshit your analogy is so stupid as to not even warrant discussion. The only reason they aren’t pinning charges on him is because the evidence is irrefutable. They already TRIED to nail him for it and failed.
I was thinking the same thing, if everything was the same except he was off duty and had a badge, he’d probably get a paid suspension for an internal investigation then found not guilty.
You ain't lying lol. It's pretty sad. Not having a weapon and having your hands up won't always help you, they might shoot your ass anyway and then claim they "thought" you had a gun. It's happening plenty of time before and I'm sure it'll keep on happening.
nope,police didn't shoot someone because they "thought" they had a weapon,but they shoot if they are sure that the suspect had a weapon and threatening their lives.
@titus kriswanto That rock you're living under must be amazing. Philando Castille, Johnathon Pierce and Daniel Shaver....thats just off the top of my head.
Police officers have an incredibly dangerous job and deal with the worst and most violent of humanity on a daily basis. Yes they are afforded more leeway than us, otherwise they would all be dead. Mistakes happen sometimes and they are tragic but they are in no way the norm for most police officers. And for those arguing about the breonna shooting..yes there was a weapon that was fired at police but it was a stupid no knock raid so the boyfriend thought he was protecting his family. I would've done the same. This is why no knock raids should not be a thing unless its for a serial killer or something. If anyone wants to change that you have to go to the politicians that make those laws.
@cyndi vedock I was in the military. Bottom line is id do my job to the best of my ability. I've been in situations where I had to deal with dudes with guns. I held it down as a soldier...so no excuses...
@kay mulani they were there because the police thought her boyfriend was getting drugs delivered to his house so under reasonable suspicion they assumed he had a gun but they shouldn’t have shot if they didn’t see one
@Jean Hunter yes but they were officers in plain clothes & he said he never heard themselves announce themselves as police forcing entry. How could anyone NOT think those were intruders in your home meaning to do harm??
@titus kriswanto lol, american police shoots anyone whenever maybe just for kicks or having a bad mood and then just keeps on being a free non-convicted murderer cop. There is mountains of evidence supporting this available.
Sir Noba2020-10-27 21:20:36 (edited 2020-10-27 21:21:24 )
@Vlad Impaler "It's not free no one does anything for free", there is a difference between these two statements, it's free to us because we're not paying for it, but they still earn revenue from us viewing their material on this platform thus they still have motivation to produce their content, everyone is aware of this and for you to call us suckers in light of the fact that both parties are reaping a benefit from the content that they produce and the viewership we provide is just cynical for no reason.
@Vlad Impaler We're not suckers. It's how everything works - TV, radio, newspapers, YouTube, Facebook. People make content. They sell ads to make money. We get to watch for free. Everybody wins.
@Sir Noba I know it cracks me up how many people want others to work for free... Cuz of course the commenters go to work day in and day out and work 40 hours every week for free. The only ones who greedily ask to get paid for working are YouTubers. 😂😂
@Mas A I’ll never be bored, thanks! I watch Bailey Sarian and Kendall Rae. Bailey is a riot but sincere. Like Mike. Nancy Grace appeared on her show a few months back. Kendall is also caring and kind and always doing fundraisers for crime victims and organizations. In case you want to check them out 😊
When the product is free, YOU are the product. Advertisers have every intention of making their money back from you one way or another. Nothing is free in this world.
@mydemonswontleavemealone as a biracial person I find this offensive. Maybe he doesn’t fit in because he can tell the people around him are judging due to the color of his skin.
He saw his freedom get up and walk out the door. His girlfriend was probably already with another man in the room he paid for. The dog was even glad he was gone for good.
45??Shit I'm 44,father of my kids 62,my dad's 61 & he looks older than both of them & looks like he could be my father...Lack of things like sincere charisma,body language etc.(body mass index too I guess) makes him look a lot older but biggest turn off is his personality.That woman of his deserves so much better.Cannot believe he just killed a kid over🤷🏼♀️ & show no remorse whatsoever🤦🏼♀️.90 yrs.in prison,well done & very much deserved mate.No time for hatery,literally do despice him tho, hats off👒
You’re right, I’m 50 and pass for 33. He looks like my father’s age. Sometimes it’s good genetics but often it’s like you said- every day is a bottle of rum and ever use is limited to flip flops like he’s going to Cocomo. Well, going to the Pen now.
@Alejandro Lazarte Didn’t have to. It’s quite obvious from the very beginning of the video when he wife recalled his comments about “thug music.” Plenty of cues littered around.
@Alejandro Lazarte Don't have to. It could be a passive thought in his mind. Consciously he doesn't care about someone's race, subconsciously he does.
4 black kids in a truck, listening to, quote, "thug" music, listening to it at a loud volume, immediately goes to them having a gun rather than some type of knife of some kind.
It sounds like racial stereotypes he may have been influenced by in the past.
But what he says should not be evidence that he is, but his choice of words can lead people to that conclusion.
@socillizt4life lmaoooo bro i can guarantee that some music sounds like thug music and it’s mostly rap lmaooo you literally can’t lie that it do and no CAP IT FUCKING SLAPSSSSS
@Alejandro Lazarte I hate how race is always given as the reason for x thing happening(correlation isn't causation), but race played a huge factor here. "I was expecting all of em to come out of the car and attack me". He acknowledged and mentioned how the other guys that talked to him were friendly/nice and how the one guy was violent, but then insists that quote^. Not to say that race is the primary reason--he clearly has something else wrong with him. Learning you have just killed a child(or person)of any race should devastate you, where here he brags about it.
It's funny. In my line of work I deal with the homeless mostly, but also with many addicts and ex offenders. Doing hefty amounts of drugs and alcohol will age you certainly. But I have to say, over time I have come to believe that evil ages a person too. To be clear I am not saying my clients are all bad people. But just that the ones who are, or who have done significantly bad things repeatedly, always look haggard. Worn thin in a way. Even the ones who had wealthy backgrounds ect. What goes on in the mind can affect the body I guess...
@brugdabidbrug I was not claiming some forms of hip hop aren’t or shouldn’t be classified as “THUG Muzak”,certain artists self define themselves as thug/street music,that’s a fact.I was making the assumption that the couple weren’t using their lil code “THUG music” in that car that night,that’s only needed infront of police or a jury & camera to the world,everybody should know that Michael ‘fkknn’ Dunn doesn’t use the term ”thug music” behind closed doors,that would be “n****r(with a hard R) music”,that was my point,I was not claiming some MCs don’t play(or live) up to the thug image
That's just insane. Another case where a person could not mind his business. Like, he could have moved his car, went inside the store, etc. to get away from the music. Just wow.
Alternatively (now this might sound crazy I’m sure but bare with me here), he could have just sat there for 5 minutes and put up with it, peacefully minding his own god damn business
He could have rolled his windows up and blasted his own music to drown them out. I've done it plenty of times at red lights when someone pulls up next to me blaring music.
Why in her interrogation is she pixelated but you then show her in court clear as day? Anyway, this woman seems perfect, she says "I could see he was upset so I kept my feelings to myself..." - I wish my girl would keep her feelings to herself when I'm upset!
i think everyone who has lost a child to violence has had to listen to some horribly insulting BS story when the attacker goes to court. It's the final disrespect in this sad journey.
@Franz Borow it's a very small blessing disguised as a horrible curse, cause all this bullshit is falling on deaf ears and all it means is that he will 110% be locked up for the rest of his life
@FactsOverFeelings Matter you're comparing a grieving mother to Hitler and her son's murderer just because you're overly emotional? wow, try and think for yourself and not be so brainwashed
@FactsOverFeelings Matter Hitler actually relaxed gun control from the Weimar period.It's a myth that Hitler took people's guns away.Nazi Germany was a very militaristic society way more so than America is today and also required training young boys in marksmanship to prep them for compulsory service.
@dil oreo it has nothing to do with "ben Shapiro". It has more to do with someone who campaigns for gun control just because they lost kids to gun violence in their personal lives. You cant try to write policy for other people based on your own anecdotal experience
@CoolMan Caravan If someone's opinion is based on "I bet this is what'll happen" and comparing a woman who lost a child to Hitler, then "tacky" is putting it mildly. Anyone who MIGHT want reasonable gun laws (I don't know if it's on her agenda) gets attacked. Who said losing a kid would make them fit for office? "I bet she will be a bigger criminal than Mr.. Dunn" isn't an opinion, it's assumption that isn't connected to reality. What you need to ask yourself, is why people are demonizing someone who has done nothing wrong (unless someone can prove otherwise), but in fact lost a lot. I understand you share some values with these people, probably about gun laws, but that doesn't mean you have to be against others. "Well, Rapist-Rick, if you like weed and I like weed, then we're on the same side".
@Baychimo I can compare myself to hitler. We both breathed air, we are both relatively short men, both caucasian. You can COMPARE the actions of 2 people without saying they are literally the same person.
@CoolMan Caravan That's what you got from what I said? Wow. Anyway, yes, let me rephrase that: you can compare anyone to anyone, but doing so based on a lie, and with the clear intent to demonize the "opposition", is in my opinion a bit silly.
@Kieren Moore Yup. It was good till they started talking about the lady benefiting from her son's death, Hitler, gun control, politics. Not the place for such crap. Oh, and if you disagree with them, you're whining. Gotta love that line. It's immature and petty.
Yeah I heard she wants to help bring in stricter gun laws. That’s extremely courageous especially in Florida. America is fucked when it comes to gun control and sadly it probably won’t ever change no matter how many innocent people are killed
@SuperAussieOi Did you consider how many lives are saved by the guns you hate so much? On average 2-3mln self-defense uses per year in US. Guns save way more inocent lives than they take. Your argument is invalid.
Kamil C. And tell that to the hundreds of parents who lost their children to school shootings. In my country we have very strict gun laws. Zero school shootings. 🤔🤔
Bailey if that’s the case then how come so many psychos are able to purchase guns legally !? And not just a hand gun but fully automatic weapons used for military combat! Would never and has never happened in my country yet happens every year in the states. Nothing you gun loving maniacs say will ever change my mind.
@Doug Rogan not the fact that USA, one of the only countries where almost everyone can carry, have the most shootings in the world? Or the fact that the US had the most mass shootings ever recorded last year? Guns should be banned, and you know it
It’s beautiful to see his smug smile at 55:38 getting wiped off his when Rhonda says no every time she’s asked about a weapon. Justice prevails is always a beautiful thing to see
@Random guy with a baseball batte you don’t know any of these victims personally. Just because they played loud music does not make them “thugs”. A teenage boy lost their life way too early so we don’t know who he could have became.
@Random guy with a baseball batte Okay then, Mr. Expert on racism, please enlighten us as to the definition of racism and how it relates to your nit-picking middleschool-level maturity response. I’d also love to see these “ethnic statistics” and what they show “alongside reality”.
@Random guy with a baseball batte Also: “bat”. Unless “a baseball batte” is some new phrase being used, in which case I’d love to know about it so I can use it in a sentence. Given that it’s flagged by autocorrect I can only assume it’s either relatively new slang or a typo much like the one you made fun of
@F Morley You do "butt lifting workout", enough said, nothing you say is relevant. Also, I see no relation between being black and what I said other than being offended to gather attention.
@bluwaslive This. It's bait. He's trying to get a rise out of y'all. He prolly doesn't even believe what he's saying, he just thought it'd piss people on the internet off. And he's right.
Imagine being so scared that your fiance is going to hurt you after he just shot 10 times at a car with kids in it that you still go with him. Then imagine having to go into court and say the entire truth right in front of him. Oh my god that woman is amazing
I mean if she didn’t, her life, for the rest of it would have been in jail.
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K Hall2020-07-15 19:12:33 (edited 2020-07-15 19:12:49 )
@deanmoncaster but at the time that she gave the testimony, she didn't know if he would be convicted. Even if the evidence was strong, somewhere in the back of her mind she's gotta know there's a greater than zero chance that the verdict would be "not guilty".
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Zero Depressive2020-07-15 21:49:15 (edited 2020-07-15 21:59:16 )
She seems like a good person, but I don't agree that she lived those events as you describe.
She could have called the cops while he was walking the dog, she should have called the cops, she wanted to put it behind her, get home, move on with her life. She turned on him to protect herself. Can't see it any other way.
@Joshualacruz maybe, hopefully. I just know how hard people will work to preserve their own status quo though. I've seen too many people let other human beings suffer because they know that life will be disrupted once they do the right thing.
@Patrick the old guy. I dont think her motives were selfish at all though. Imagine: you have just witnessed your incredibly volatile fiance shoot at some guys in public, without a care in the world. You know the police will have to catch up with him eventually. But if you do anything he perceives as confrontational in the meantime, or try to get away -- if you bruise that fragile ego just the slightest amount -- what's he going to do to you?? I think she was wanting to testify, she just had to survive him first. (If theres anything in there that contradicts me, lmk. I'm only 20 minutes in. That being said the psychology here has got to be complicated)
@Pete White yeah, all we can do is second guess her thinking. To give her the benefit of doubt, i will say she testified. That was doing the right thing. Anything else is just speculation.
@Gavin Semonell that's what made this case so enthralling; Dunn literally thought he was in the right and clear even though he killed someone, except for maybe a stern talking to about fleeing the scene.
@Fuhreak wouldn’t matter in this case bc he talk on a jail phone and his girlfriend was smart enough and say stop talking but he keep going, than he write a letter in jail saying how he hate n@@ and the jail full of them. I guess he didn’t think their read his mail. He would have got it no matter unless he had a corrupt police department and judge that do not care about justice. Remember the actor from Chicago that tried a fake MAGE thing, he had friends in high places but the cops was on their job and that plan of dividing us that way fall though. He only got away because he had friends in high places so high they refuse to release the talk they had. I believe the rabbit hole is more deep than with people want to believe. Than they push as many stories to bury it. It the something in the city that had a huge murder where even the female organs be missing of young black woman and the city have cameras everywhere that made the people up cry even more. They have a few serial killer high there but they spend all the investigation on a attack that cause no death. I believe I lot of this carmena are not in place to solve crime or stop it, only when they feel like weighting a finger. I starting to believe just to take help control the masses and protect the government and every now and than to make the public happy if losing publicity as they main focus is to stop enemies of the state. They working to get us like CCP and than the book 1984.
They got us to divide to try and do anything of the real problem and that going according plan.
@Fishtest well is a teen an adult? are they allowed to buy alcohol? buy a gun? vote? no. they are still in school. they are still figuring out their place in life.
@Abhay According to world population studies, approximately 108 billion people have lived on this planet. Assuming that the average lifespan of all these people was 25, there has been around 2.7 trillion years of life, if we multiply this by the number of days in a year (365), there is a total of 985,500,000,000,000 days of life (985.5 trillion days). Not once in any of those days did anybody ask.
centre national de la recherche inepte Lol what are you even rambling about? Go speak to a therapist or invest in a diary, because nobody here cares about your inappropriate remarks
@Kim DeBoer but loud music could hurt his ear drums. If it played too loudly, he could go deaf. Similar issues happen for people who fire a gun without ear protection, thank goodness nobody did that. Just think about how damaging that music was to his ears
@Fishtest Yes, teenagers playing their music loud as do all teens, that really makes them ‘thugs’ 🙄 If it was a car full of the same aged, white girls I’m pretty sure you wouldn’t have the same attitude.
@tysquirt111 Then he could've done what the other guy did and park in another spot😐He could've turned up his window, left and went to another store, or even fucking go in the store with his wife. This situation could've been avoided and the fact that you are defending his actions is disgusting.
@удивительный the literal definition of a child agrees with her and not you fools! A child is literally “a young human being below the age of puberty or below the legal age of majority.” That includes teenagers! Stop sleeping with your siblings and read a book.
the point is when he was told that the kid dont have a gun he show no remorse or guilty feeling, hes a self entitled prick. people make mistake they do but for people with empathy or heart theyll feel remorsefull when they know they made mistake especially if their mistake get other people killed.
Bless the girlfriend. Don't u just wanna hug her?? I like her for so many reasons. From the brief clips of her, she seems so sweet, caring and clearly upstanding. It must have torn her up to testify against her man but she clearly won't compromise her principles...even tho it was her testimony that sealed his fate.
@Georgia DN you can love someone and not be just like them. She has some kind of moral compass and has the ability to tell the truth no matter what the outcome. I would rather look up to a woman who is willing to tell the truth and still love someone who had made a horrible choice than someone who lies to cover up for their partner and is just as shitty.
You could almost hear her brain working overdrive in the witness interview with some of the questions. She knew that the truth would not line up with what Dunn had told police. And she considered-just for a moment- protecting him. But she ultimately did the right thing. She could have made this that much more difficult for the victims and their families. But she didn't.
It makes me feel so incredibly sad that the young man, not even in the prime of his life yet, was blasted away from his family and his friends who had to watch him die. For no reason whatsoever at all.
Technically, there was a reason. That being said, the reason is just about as sharp as a sphere made of a single crystal of silicon-28 made by a master lens maker.
Your own well being is in the hands of strangers everyday. At any moment, someone could decide that they want to kill someone and you could be the closest person in that moment of their decision. It is a weird thing to be aware of and it is something you shouldn't have your mind consumed by as well.
There was a reason. It's like those people that honk because they feel they were cut off. You never know and if your behavior potentially puts you in that position and you do not adjust, you are partially responsible.
@Dominic Rodrigues What justifiable reason did he have for committing murder?
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M V2021-10-06 01:04:53 (edited 2021-10-06 01:05:38 )
@:Whatarehumans:3 justifiable for murder? No. But there was a reason for the argument, just like road rage that leads in death which occurs at least once a day according to U.S. crime statistics. The reason is the cause of the argument, some people can't control their rage, piss enough people and at least one of them will be crazy.
@M V No, absolutely not. That's a very poor "reason". That's only if it could be called a "reason" to begin with. To even say that it was because he "couldn't control his rage," please. It seems more like he shot at them because his ego was bruised. He inserted himself into a situation that had nothing to do with him. I don't buy it, sorry.
@Caspers true, but an innocent person could just as easily end up in an interrogation just like this. At that point in the process, it's ultimately up to what the police think. They could be convinced that you're a suspect when in reality you are just a witness.
@Alexander LI That is wrong. Never talk to the police without the presence of a lawyer. Witness or suspect. If you are innocent, the lawyer will make sure you will stay innocent.
Charles Grguras agreed. A witness can quickly become suspect without ever knowing it. Especially if the cops don’t actually have a suspect, something a witness wouldn’t necessarily know.
Haha, my grandfather was a cop but my mom always told me that if I ever had police contact say "Thank you, but I'd like to speak to my lawyer"... out of experience, unfortunately, that was the absolute best advice I could have gotten in that situation. Edit: and any situation concerning the police. Full stop.
@Q S ***** Yes. Also, the thing is, you most probably won't be interviewed in a murder case. But more likely in like a weed possession, DUI, civil disobedience or whatever the fuck. They can pin it on you very easily if you talk too much, so you should always only talk with a lawyer present.
tocov I forget the case but it was a murder and a witness came to the scene and asked about the victim, who was also his friend. He decided to try to help by going to the station to “answer some questions”, but next thing he knows he’s taken a polygraph, was told that he failed miserably and therefore clearly guilty, and is subjected to multiple hours long sessions of vigorous interrogation. He wasn’t being “interviewed” or “questioned” anymore, he was straight up being accused of raping and killing his friend and the detectives were asking him why he did it, apparently no longer looking for actual clues. I think they kept him in jail for some time. He was a very young man, essentially just a big kid who could have easily cracked and signed a false confession, like so many before him. Then they realized he didn’t do it, got another suspect and basically did the same thing to him. Turned out neither were guilty, the murderer was some other unrelated dude. A good lawyer for each of them would have saved a lot of time, pain, unnecessary jail time and might have even helped the cops get to the truth sooner and catch the actual murderer quicker, not waste boatloads of time getting innocent people to shit their pants on false rape and murder charges.
Don’t ever talk to the cops. Get out of this “if I have nothing to hide, I have nothing to fear” mentality. That’s how you get accused of bs. I’ve personally seen 2 people who thought they were being helpful that end up getting accused of bs
Or maybe the first rule is don’t shoot people out of anger ??? Some of you are focused more On him Talking to the police than actually KILLING someone.
And some of you are very clearly missing that this is not a case of an innocent man being fearful for his life but a racist male who has been walking in white priviledge his entire life acting on his anger that is based on racial stereotypes that he obviously not only believes in, but actively uses to profile people in public? If an ounce of him was obviously remorseful when he learned their age and that he killed one of the teenagers then it might be a different story. If a stupid and racist yet innocent man who simply was afraid of black people acted out of fear he would have called the cops and not left his gun in the car as he walked the dog and apparently was shivering as he thought about another car of "thugs" coming.
I genuinely do not understand how THIS IS WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT REGARDING THIS VIDEO. How about this guy was an actual danger to society? He was a danger to anyone into "thug" music which I'm sure to him means any music with rapping in it. The kind of discussion that is happening in this comment section belongs under a video about a case of an actual innocent person being taken to prison, but not here. This is not a case of "he shouldnt have talked to the police without a lawyer". This is clearly "I'm glad that guilty prick was too stupid to call one". What is wrong w people smh
@RyanPhoenixAZ not a single thing you named was racist on the teenagers part. I literally have done the same exact thing when I was their age. An adult should know to just laugh at the stupidity and walk away. White priviledge is a very dense and complicated topic with many moving parts so I don't blame you for not understanding it.
The problem that most people seem to fall into is that they think hiring a lawyer or requesting your lawyer be present during questioning makes you look guilty (which, in all honesty, does) and will draw police into wanting to look into you as the suspect, whether you're guilty or not. Many criminals will think that by not having a lawyer, especially when police are just "asking some questions" to "clear things up" or to "get to the bottom of what happened", it'll make them look innocent and the police will move on to another suspect.
No lawyer would of got reasonable suspicion out of this case. At best, he would of gotten a better plea for keeping his mouth shut.
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Q S *****2020-02-21 05:01:34 (edited 2020-02-21 05:10:19 )
Kornelija Earthling the original comment was clearly a statement about whether or not people should engage the services of a lawyer when being questioned by police, and the potential benefits and pitfalls of doing so or not. Nobody in this thread was talking about race until you came along. And now you’re upset that nobody wants to share your outrage at something you haven’t even remotely proven to be true in this case. Lol but sad at the same time.
Edit- I sincerely hope you’re not a cop because I can seriously see you cruising around at night, pulling people over for petty reasons and wholeheartedly assigning guilt based on race with absolutely no evidence whatsoever....would you like to guess what that makes you?!?!🤔🤦♂️
findme Oh, absolutely. You should always lawyer up, no matter if it’s a couple of simple questions or if they truly do suspect you of the crime. I’m just saying that by invoking your right to a lawyer, even though it’s always smart to do, makes it look like you’re hiding something.
@Cameron Crawford seems like you're very clearly proving my point. I don't care if you need a lawyer, don't incriminate yourself, etc. He killed someone. The first rule should have been maybe NOT shoot at someone after you've been drinking. Then he wouldn't need to get lawyer to defend him. You must be a confused on how you can walk away from situations without deadly violence.
@Canine University 101 You need to provide some actual references instead of some vague allusion to it. We all know what the video shows us. What "full discussion" are you referring to that would show that Rhonda was on his side and what did she say that proved that. We've seen that she was honest about what happened and forthcoming, didn't hide anything. In the call at the beginning, she seemed very mute and unresponsive. one-word unenthusiastic answers to his claims of being the victim before asking him to stop talking about it. Yet you're telling us she had his back.
Second,The OP said that Rhonda had none of it during that conversation, the "I fought back" and I was being "preyed on" conversation and that is not true.The one worded answers was how THIS video edited it is what i am saying. That conversation is way way more indepth then the 5 second conversation JCS showed because it only can go over so much.
She says "The legal system is not set up for people like you babe, I know you are innocent. I know you did what you had to do and that you did not want to do it" or something along these lines at the 2:27 mark on this video https://youtu.be/4zHUIZu-SuM
This is simply a snipit of it too! Listen to the entire thing during the trial. Many many phone conversations.
BUT
Rhonda stepped up big time and sent his butt to the slammer along with all the evidence. Not at all saying she didn't do that.
@Canine University 101 I see, Well I'm still leaning towards giving her the benefit of the doubt. I doubt she would have been able to piece together the idea that her fiance was an unstable murder who killed a kid because he said some mean things. It's second nature to trust the word of someone you love and I believe that would have been the motivating factor. Seems like the reality thankfully came around and she saw it for what it was. Murder.
@Canine University 101 exactly. Rhonda was just as guilty. In fact it was her idea to get more drunk. She should be locked under the jail and her ugly hair cut.
@Joshua Slappe I'm doing well. I had a productive day. Work went well. Just stopped at a gas station to take a shit and go through my notifications. About to go home and make sure BF2042 is downloaded so I can play it when it launches tonight.
Thanks for watching guys, please share your thoughts. And if you want another take on this, check out TRUE CRIME Loser - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCe4SSwboaAh-Fqj-E0H5ucg
7130 likesAlso, here’s a good documentary on the same case - https://youtu.be/nJGvoP5LWe8
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You need to do better on your Description. You act if EVERYONE knows about this person. Who is Michael Dunn?
183 likesThank you for the new video, JCS <3 <3 <3
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39 likesThanks Jim - you spoil us this month!
38 likesJCS - Criminal Psychology so looking forward to this video!!!💪🏻✌🏻👍🏻❤️🔥🙏🏼😋😋😋😋
20 likeswhere is your analysis of prince andrew's interview???
61 likesI cant watch that other video . It says i can't watch it new zealand but im gona join patreon so i can watch ur stuff. Ty . Its so interesting!!!!
16 likesPlease make a video on the Kendrick Johnson case. Never got the attention it deserves.
33 likesAcrylic Paintings by Joyce ever heard of google?
56 likesThank you. Love TCL'S channel too.
10 likesI ever heard of this before.
31 likesIt shows a little of the racism in the US.
But still, they got the thug?
Why are people so preoccupied with skin color.
The last ten so-called terrorism attacks in Europe was made by Nazi people, they blame others....
@7 Eyes open wide wholly fuck... i must research. That is exceptionally cruel. I am looking forward to an analysis of rowan baxter who a couple of days ago murdered his family and then stabbed himself to death
9 likesJim is your old videos also on patron?
1 likeJIM, I have joined your patreon.
6 likes@Jackson Robert Dennie During class 😂😂😂
4 likesThank you
1 like@Art, Garden, Food Expressions He goes through what happened in the video
21 likes@Felecia's Foot Fungus Yeah the Jodi Arias video is on Patreon!
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7 likesThese videos are insightful and really enjoy the narration.
12 likesI became a patreon after being a fan for almost a year, don't know what took me so long. But so glad I did. Thanks for churning out quality stuff and thanks for the shout out to TCL.
9 likesI figured you were a Floridian until I heard you say 'Breverd County'.
9 likes@Johnny Cage he literally brought that out two months ago. You not seen it?
0 likes@Art, Garden, Food Expressions I had no idea who Michael Dunn was either until I watched the whole video...... lol
19 likesJCS - Criminal Psychology I really wish you posted more I really really enjoy your videos😫👍🏻
15 likesSusan I was shocked when he said Brevard and showed the map...I live smack dab in the middle, on Merritt Island! Never heard of this guy though...until now!
3 likesIan Holmes You from Brevard?
2 likes@Matt Greek 1066 i have seen it but it got deleted
2 likes@lilly girl just set up a proxy and you won't have to worry about that anymore.
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4 likesanother classic anaylsis. thank you man!
2 likesHe cried for the dog, but not for Jordan...... smh......
9 likesI'd like to see a video on Judge Mason, the judge in Ohio who beat his wife, then later on went on to kill her.
@Johnny Cage now that IS interesting, I thought you meant that. Hope JCS gives you an answer!
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That interrogation is awesome.
6 likesIt's about race. They had a African American detective on this. I don't think the guy is racist. Its a social problem.
They shouldn't put him in a corner tho
2 likesPlease do an episode on Jeremy Christian if possible. I wrote a paper on him for forensic psychology, and the jury should come in tonight or tomorrow. I find him so interesting, especially with the debated pathology (ASPD vs. ASD).
0 likesAre yoy true crime looser?
1 likeLove him ❤️
@Akehap Kap Not mu point. If he uploaded this. He should be using that description box for his viewers and not sending people on a wild goose chase for information before watching it. That description box is not only for Paypal and Patreon requests.
9 likes@Betty Graine If it's there now, he added it after I said something.
0 likesThis may have been asked before , but are you former or currently an officer or detective , did you take any criminal justice classes , just wondering how your able to correctly breakdown these interviews , love the channel .
3 likesThanks 👍👍
JCS - Criminal Psychology you’re incredible, thank you for the work you do on these videos
3 likesGreat work JCP. Like the naration and lenght (not too long) of your videos. Hope to see more.
1 likeDocumentary doesn´t work. Greetings from Bosnia.
0 likes"Could it have been your imagination?"
2 likes"Sure, well, no?"
Thank you for another great analysis!
0 likes@Art, Garden, Food Expressions how about you watch the video first. You'll get the answer to your question.
15 likesThe black detective is a comic as well. Keith Robinson.
2 likesSCHEEMDAS STAND UP!!!!
5 likesThank you kindly JCS! WE LOVE AND APPRECIATE YA!
2 likesJCS - Criminal Psychology I’ve been a Big fan of TCL and your channel! You guys are great! So it 411NOW is a great true crime channel! Love that you dropped 2 videos a week apart! I’ve missed you so!! ✌🏻💪🏻💯❌❣️❤️⭕️😍🌹💐
0 likesWhere is the intro "life can be a dream" as soon as I seen your notification the song popped into my head.
2 likesThank you JCS
2 likesLove u jim
3 likesNo no, thank YOU for uploading! Always eager to see more, this is better than a soap opera + tutorial all packed into one video! This is great, by all means upload more of these!
1 likeJCS - Criminal Psychology thanks for all your work on these. I love your channel and recently joined your patreon because I needed all the content and it’s well worth the nominal fee.
2 likesI’d like to request a topic for you to consider exploring in a video- The fraud case of confidence man Dr. Cleal Watts, III. I’ve watched his seven hour deposition so many times I’ve lost count. I would be fascinated (and think others would be too) to see your treatment of the psychological aspect of his lying and manipulation. Also, sometimes it’s nice to explore true crime topics that aren’t so grisly or tragic. I think that’s why I’ve enjoyed your videos on Dahlia Dippolito and Jussie Smollett in particular; you achieved both fascinating and funny with those. Just a suggestion, please don’t take it as criticism. Thank you for your consideration and thanks again for all your hard work on this exceptional content.
TCL and JCS rule!!!!
2 likesJackson Robert Dennie why do you go to class then? Some people Spears better in their own. You could just be wasting your time going.
0 likesWhy styven, why
3 likesPlease upload more vids I already watched all the ones you have 👍
1 like@jason rhea wow. Since when does the actions of one individual apply to an entire group of people?? You appear to be saying that.
0 likesDang man. Jacksonville's police response time is pretty shyte (I've literally had multiple occasions where I had to call the police and they either didn't show up or were too lazy to write a report). All cops aren't like that, but too many here in Jax are. That aside, I freakin' love interrogations officers, I wish I could do that for a living but I don't think the police hire folks with disabilities. The white cop is funny af though, I can't believe he lives here. I'd love to meet those guys and ask them what it was like to get to interrogate and help put someone so disgusting away? That dude had the balls to shed a tear for himself the first time they walked out of the room, and didn't once comment that he regretted killing the kid or hurting his family and friends, possibly giving the other kids that were with them PTSD. All because he didn't like the music they were listening to and they were black and looked like soft targets, when it comes down to it. If you look into this guy, he gets way worse before they actually prosecuted him. Like he tried to act like he lost his mind or something during the trial from the "stress" he was under....and just succeeded in proving how much of a narcissistic sociopath he was. He didn't get near the time he deserved, in my opinion.
4 likesJCS is the best!
0 likesThe 2nd link you posted says the video is not available?
0 likesYour docs and editing are amazing. I am a huge fan of your content. I look forward to your updates.
1 likeevery time you post a video is like a christmas gift
2 likesAwesome explanation on the whole contrived emotion for his pet and fiancé but none for the kid that’s exactly what I was thinking but your words were perfect as usual
2 likesThanks for your dedication to the coverage of these cases!
1 likeWheres the footage from the court?
0 likesLudicris it’s in the video near the end
0 likesHi Jim, great video as usual! I was wondering what happened to your other cases.. were they deleted? I remember you discussed a case about a man who used Jesus as a way to push off blame from himself for his crime of.. kidnapping someone i think. It was real funny how the interrogators rebuffed him.. i would love to see that video again..;)
0 likesJCS - Criminal Psychology I don’t understand did this guy kill the kid because this guy is a bad guy or did he kill the kid because he was afraid I can’t figure it out? I can see the guy is a heartless self-centered person and doesn’t care of the fact that he murdered someone but was he ever afraid?
0 likesJCS - Criminal Psychology Absolutely the best channel on YouTube thank you
1 like@Art, Garden, Food Expressions I appreciate your thoughts but we can't assume that just because we're huge fans of sociopaths and true crime, it doesn't mean we'll recognize every name we see...
2 likesCan we get captions? :)
0 likes@Art, Garden, Food Expressions it's not like they don't go into details about what happened is it? Jesus Christ, this video literally analyses and goes into mad details on the case and who it concerns... 😂😂🤦🏽♀️🤷🏽♀️
4 likesExcellent video once again team!!! Thank you 🙏
1 likeYou want my thoughts? You don't release enough content and you don't release it often enough. Your videos are awesome make more, now.
0 likesJoe Simpson quality over quantity Joe. Don’t be ungrateful, give them a dollar on their Patreon and view their entire library. There is hours and hours of content on there.
2 likesJCS - Criminal Psychology thanks for another great post, awesome video
0 likesI don't know, something about the way this guy speaks and carries himself, not sure he isn't having the time of his life, a real belle of the ball
0 likesThank you for making awesome videos! I’m always waiting for the next! Don’t miss a single one!! 😊
1 likeIT COULD HAVE BEEN A STICK!!!
0 likesA prime time TV company should pick this up, your good at this!
0 likesHi Jim, It’s a shame you don’t have the same sort of access to UK interrogations, you would have a field day. There is a programme called 24 hours in Police custody that is on in the UK, do a search on here, well worth a watch!
0 likesLove your videos Jim, and I also love your support for True Crime Loser, both of you are my favourites ♥️ xx
0 likesMe like me like
0 likesMuch respect JCS, you teach the world reality. We can't imagine our lives without a spontaneous episode of Jim Can't Swim. When your new videos pop up we go woohoo.
0 likesJCS - Criminal Psychology I remember when this happened. I live in Satellite Beach, where this pos is from, so it was all over our local news.
1 likeSidebar, you were kind of driving me batty every time you pronounced our county, which is Brevard. It’s pronounced Bruh-vard (like yard).
I would love to see an episode of an innocent person being interrogated for an hour and a description of how the police determine innocence during an interrogation as well. Like what are the signs that someone is telling the truth. How do innocent people behave during interrogations etc
2 likesJCS - Criminal Psychology Another stupid senseless crime.
1 likeJIM Great job. You articulate these cases impeccably.
0 likes@Jack Budington There's currently 4 of these cases on the patreon. All laid out and explained just as you requested right there.
2 likesYour videos are amazing and honestly better content than most paid programming.. you realy are doing a good service. Thank you for keeping alot of us informed on things going on.
0 likesJCS - Criminal Psychology have you analyzed the Wendi Adelson interview yet?
0 likesAcrylic Paintings by Joyce that’s the point of the entire video...:
0 likesAcrylic Paintings by Joyce “case of a guy who shot through a Durango at an unarmed man over music” is quite a long title 🙄
3 likesThe whole idea is to lock the suspect into a story
1 like@Shaun Edson That case got an insane amount of attention. It's been 7 years and it's still getting attention. People need to get over it. It was an accident.
0 likesthats rediculous:(
0 likesyea
0 likesI excited for JCS does “The Case of Anthony Palma”. 🪓
2 likesFirst time watching, I'll be back. Job well done putting this together.
0 likes@Jack Budington there are certainly a lot of innocent people that have been wrongly convicted. Did you see how many were released by the use of DNA evidence?
2 likesSomething going on in that state of Florida that needs "draining".
2 likesLove the shout out to True Crime Loser! #schmeeda
2 likesJoined Patreon this week to help during my insomnia ! Love what u do Jim ❤️
0 likesHis testimony and domineer on the stand was truly stomach-churning.
0 likesMy heart breaks for the pain Jordan’s parents and the boys will forever bare.
Hey mate great channel
1 likeLove it .... would really like to see you analyse Grant Amarto interrogation. Anyway keep up the good work ... brilliant
Acrylic Paintings by Joyce right!
0 likes@Johnny Cage This uploader has a habit of taking down his older videos.
0 likes@Clarence Boddicker it was barely couple of weeks old, if i remember correctly
0 likesJim can’t Swim always has excellent videos
1 like@Johnny Cage The Prince Andrew video got made private for some reason.
0 likesHey Jim like your insight wish you would comment more in your videos. Sometimes it feels like there are large gaps in your commentary. Keep up the good work though
0 likesAkehap Kap I honestly don’t see racism where I live but it’s sad if anyone is still racist. My heart and prayers go out to the young man and his parents. It appears Dunn (never heard of this case) caused the confrontation in the first place. He wouldn’t have been such a bulky if he didn’t have a gun. Not once did he ever feel bad or show any remorse fir killing an innocent 17 year old. I only see good and bad and thus man Dunn is bad. Bully that had no right to ever fire that gun. Thank God the driver backed out so quickly preventing any other deaths or injuries. I honestly hate guns because of idiots like this. He was probably drunk and never should have been driving anyway. He is a narcissist as he thought he was going to get away with it. I will agree that asshole appears to be a racist and it’s sickening.
1 likeJCS - Criminal Psychology what a Scary unapologetic Monster!!! Trying to kill a bunch of kids listening to music and buying junk food or something. What an awful Monster! They were children!! I just can’t imagine... what sorrow.
1 likeYou should do a video on gabriel fernandez
0 likesI would find it interesting if you did some crimes other than murder. Just because I'm curious if the police use different tactics for assault, rape, robberies etc.
1 likeI seriously cannot wait for the next video i've watched all of them multiple times thank you for the content
1 like@Akehap Kap
0 likesWhy is the corner not a good idea?
Acrylic Paintings by Joyce
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@134BrothersMusic two things that jump out at me is...that guy was never a slave...the girl I'm sure was never a slave owner! It makes me sick when people that was not directly affected by events that happened 100 yrs ago
0 likesThe documentary is gone 😭
1 like@134BrothersMusic Holy moly!
0 likesVery Good Commentary. Thanks 4 sharing
0 likesWould you ever cover Ezra McCandless?
0 likesJCS - Criminal Psychology Great video. The commentary was perfect. No unnecessary pausing after every 2 or 3 seconds and talking for 10 minutes about pointless things. Avoiding biased opinions and sticking to the facts, which is rare on YouTube. And I love the psychological breakdowns
1 likeSubscribed! 👍
Hes DUNN for!!
3 likesGreat Work!!This is up there with the Lazarus interrogation.SUBSCRIBED!!
0 likesHe's literally "Dunn" now lol... Dunn with life
1 likeThe slave movie ad is a nice touch.
0 likesLeft a comment, open comment.
0 likes@Akehap Kap they do that to everybody they interrogate...it is a psychological tactic.
1 likeMy thoughts are that you have WAY to many ads 🙄 And everything you are saying is common sense...☹
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0 likes@Art, Garden, Food Expressions I sincerely was just about to do this beofre seeing your comment. Look him up that is.
0 likes@unitoolzee i think her comment was ment to be constructive. a little more info about dunn would have been interesting.
0 likesHe sounds like the teacher from Beavis & Butthead
0 likeslove you!
0 likesLove this channel man keep up the good work!!!
0 likesPinned by JCS - Criminal Psychology: The black young men acted like hooligans at that time, they never said the truth about why this happen.. The white man said 90% truth of what happen..... But most of all, the white man didn't want to kill them, for he shot not at the windows of their car... The black young men played a dangerous game, and this thing happen... The Judge was, and i believe still is - good for nothing.....
1 likeHe was given the serial killer package 😂
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0 likesLove this channel !! So addictive
0 likesWhy is everyone named Mike?
0 likes@Art, Garden, Food Expressions you expect him to fucking paint you a picture bro?
1 likeI agree with acrylic paintings by Joyce. This happens so frequently because thugs like this demon think they're entitled to take another person's life and get away with it.
2 likesDo you think it’s a good tactic for the detectives to be sarcastic? When he said he was shooting at the door the police detective says something to the extent that the door wasn’t attacking him or something. I find that completely dumb. First off doors are not cover they are concealment. Secondly, the guy was behind the freaking door so what is the point of that sarcasm? I don’t understand that. It’s stupid to me.
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0 likesI don't understand how he was able to shoot the back of the SUV when it reversed away from him. Am I missing something here?
0 likesAcrylic Paintings by Joyce if it’s to detailed better chance the video will be flagged.
0 likesReally good video and love justice being served. Just wish it didn't happen in the first place. Some info on the boy would been nice although would upset me more....
0 likes@Art, Garden, Food Expressions waaaaaaaa.
0 likesGeek girl. . . Use Google for research and that will lead to other venues .
Individuals put a lot into the videos they post. Be grateful that we have these resources.. if you're truly interested in crime psychology or the study of/ details of a particular case it would do justice to do more than just read the description. No reason to be critical of anyone's efforts. Peace . ✌
You make these videos yourself? I love them. So much interrogation in them, but I'm not bored because you know how to edit, when to jump in with interesting facts, & when to let things speak for themselves. Stellar, dude! Subscribing!
0 likesJCS: Your videos are the best! Other true-crime videos tell the story of the crimes and outcomes, but I learn so much from your discussion of the interrogation and why people say what they say or act the way they act. The non-JCS videos are disappointing after watching yours. Please keep up the outstanding work. I need MORE to watch! -Jeff
0 likesYour first sequel should be on this. There is so much more to this sad and disgraceful story.
0 likesDude keep making these they are so addicting and your voice over and analyzes are great!
1 likeHow about a video on Casey Anthony?
1 likehey why not add a description for your video buuuuDY?
2 likesAcrylic Paintings by Joyce the ambiguity is the point. it’s meant to be intriguing. We don’t know who he is but by watching the video we’re told all we need to know. Less is more sometimes
1 likeLove your videos already. I’ve been waiting for someone to make videos like this! No frills, just info. Love it
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1 likeLove the channel ❤️
1 likeI love finding the odd little details on stories: This is one I had to find out. Here is song that was to loud.
1 likehttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TDh0FcJ1atA
Kane Dea
1 likethank you!
0 likesIt's me again JCS
0 likesPut up more true documentaries videos
0 likesI love what you do I would like to be an investigator one day. I love it to solve a puzzle and bring Justice to innocents and victims. I have being through a lot in life people rarely stood up for me. I am amazed by your skills and ability to unravel his lies.
0 likesGod bless you!
@Art, Garden, Food Expressions watch the video and find out
1 like@KingSaint Ides Here's a novel idea for you. Move on. I have. thank you,.
0 likesDid your shoot one handed? Two handed? “One handed and sideways g.”
0 likesThank YOU for putting something interesting on thats worth watching !!
0 likesVery impressive channel.
0 likesM Gal same here I’m in satellite beach never heard this until now
0 likesILive2Rescue I live in satellite beach too
0 likesAcrylic Paintings by Joyce google is FREE.
0 likesAnother great mini documentary! New subscriber!
0 likesI love your videos I just found your channel last week and I hope u make more! I love the psychological viewpoint you guys give.
0 likesAcrylic Paintings by Joyce ri
0 likesWas a young life unnecessary extinguished?
1 likeYes!
Was any mention or consideration of malicious imposition given in this case?
No!
Your narration is completely negative and judging incorrectly. I've liked some of your videos, but you really lost my respect on this one.
1 like@Kaioken20 amen
0 likesThis is like interrogating Trump 🤦🏽♂️
0 likes@Art, Garden, Food Expressions are you kidding? Show some appreciation.
0 likesWas this a racial thing?
1 likeYou should give a description of who this guy is and what it's all about. Even if it's just brief. Better than nothing which is laziness on your part.
1 like@unitoolzee shouldn't have to use Google! They should describe things
1 likeko jak everyone on the planet knows who that is
0 likes@Orbweaver Bit of advice.. Mention a name in your comment so people know who you are directing your question at.. Basic stuff, but very effective.
0 likesRandom thought, could it have been that he was freestyling over the music oh, and his friends were saying "ooo kill em"? That's the only logical explanation that I can think of, because he had turned up the music, and the gunman said that he couldn't tell if he was singing or yelling.
1 likePlz do more of these. Ive finished and am now doing reruns because I find your point of view fascinating and very enjoyable.
0 likesPlease keep them coming, I am addicted to your channel ( and no I do not have a problem)
0 likesBtw being from the county it's called BreVARD not "breverd"
0 likesAkehap Kap yes, CRT has everyone seeing color
0 likesVery educational and entertaining I will now be the youngest professor in earth thank you.
0 likesYour editing is great. Starting with the phone call was perfect.
0 likesOne of his neighbours was interviewed, it's here on YT, the women in Dunns life were treated like sh!t by him
0 likesYes sir because in my mind it was fluid motion
0 likesThe mother of the victim now sits in Newt Gingrich's old Congressional seat. Her political activism was spurred by this tragic event.
1 likeWish you would break the ENTIRE trial down. That would be epic!
0 likesWhat you said: please, share your thoughts
0 likesWhat youtube commenters heard: please, share your memes
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0 likesBlack guy interrogate him....pretty byiest
1 likeYour narration is amazing!! Its put me to bed everytime. Keep up the good work 👏
0 likes@Art, Garden, Food Expressions I agree .. I'm watching from th uk .. never heard who he is x
0 likesFantastic video !. I love the way you break it all down in these interrogations. I had vaguely heard about this case but didn't remember the name til about 5 minutes in. This guy is a racist bigoted a liar and now a killer of a young man who was only starting his future. This man looks like he has absolutely no remorse and he even said he would do it again
0 likesThat sucks. He says. Yeah it sucks for the kid you killed, his friends who witnessed it and his family too.
0 likesGreat narration
0 likes@Art, Garden, Food Expressions Google not work where you are?
0 likes@Art, Garden, Food Expressions Just Click on them and enjoy the story. You should know what you're in for when you see the channel name. Lmbo you're small minded and it's sad!
0 likes@Art, Garden, Food Expressions ...not knowing who he was, and learning drip by drip, really did it for me. But I look at it from a fiction writer's perspective. Your mileage my vary.
0 likesu have a talent... don't stop.. make more please
0 likesAcrylic Paintings by Joyce look it up !!!
0 likesYou just have to do a part 2.
0 likesKind of bizarre how similar this is to the drejka case..and yet not surprising, you get a cowardly asshole gun nut just looking for a chance to fire his gun in a situation that doesn't remotely call for it, when you're not in danger
1 likeKind of telling these are all in Florida
0 likesDo more
0 likes@Art, Garden, Food Expressions pppppppppppppppppp
0 likesIn his Defence im 17 and i call my peers kids because that is the way i learned from my dad
0 likes@Art, Garden, Food Expressions 4.2 million views...you were saying what now?
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0 likes@Kane Dean By
0 likes“If you thought he had a shotgun, you most likely would be concerned with how he intended to do it. You would likely be more concerned with getting shot with a shotgun as opposed to having your ear bitten off.”
0 likesTruer words were never spoken.
Avid fan but the interpretations of the police, witnesses and his fiance are skewed. Fear was a motivator here. Manslaughter, yes. Murder, no.
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0 likesHow can i join your patroen please ??
0 likes@JCS - Criminal Psych…✔️ My ONLY request is if you could do a follow up on cases that were either retried, had some type of complications, got moved back for years and years (dalia diwitlito), or other factors. You wouldn’t have to do an individual video on all but more like a “where are they now,” type of thing. Hopefully ALL in jail minus any “innocent” people, that would be my ONLY thing the rest of your work is fantastic!
0 likes@Aurora Tipaldi - Yocum I was referring to the Kendrick Johnson case. That WAS an accident.
0 likes@7 Eyes open wide thanks for suggestions bc I’m now looking into this case too since I never, even heard of it! Hopefully that friend got her help and he got in trouble!!
1 likePlease continue uploading new episodes. I can't wait.
0 likes@Justine Calub they’re working on new one now. Their narrator finished the voice over last week. Shouldn’t be long now. I’m gonna guess x mas eve or day they’ll release it, but dont quote me on that. It’s just a shot in the dark.
0 likes8:45
0 likesI wanna see a thug picture of Jordan Davis.
Not a 'baby angel' deceptive picture.
@Art, Garden, Food Expressions if you had of just watched the video like everyone else, all of the info you sought would have been easily answered. Practice some more art and asmr and relax a little
0 likesWe love you JCS! Thank you for your amazing content!!
1 likeI have a serious problem with this channel. Please post more ! :)
0 likesTo be hones I just turned 39 and people in their 20s up to even early 30s I still call kids! Especially college kids who are 18 and up so has no relevance to point that out as 17 year olds can definitely look 18 or 19 or higher and be adults?
0 likes45:55 when he says "i've been MAD before where my hands have been shaking..." that should have been used in the trial. He slipped up and directly said he was mad but nothing like hes ever experienced before. This guy got raging mad at some innocent guys because he was too immature to just not deal with it like witness 7 at the start. He got made and shot to kill with more than the declared 8 shots and likely would have ran off with his wife regardless if he had gotten them.
0 likesEdit to an earlier comment Amen to the wife for not lying and trying to be as nightmare fuel as her husband with that stare in his mugshot, same blank lack of expression as the day after he did all this. He did it out of rage but in the aftermath on the drive back he knew he was done for that is why he told his wife so many times he loved her he knew what was going to happen. His story completely changed and thank god for the access to the tapes during trial because that gave me the chills like Poe.
0 likesI’m sure you have the ôpi
0 likes@lilly girl Download and Use a free VPN.
0 likesAt 43:20 -
1 likeDetective: “What was the purpose of that?”
Michael Dunn: “To save my life.”
Detective: “From what? The door?”
😂😂
@Kane Dean 2vy?
0 likesDiscovered your channel yesterday and this is fantastic stuff (of course it's horrible but it's fascinating). Thank you for the great production and keep 'em coming.
0 likes@C. Ramos no idea what you are saying. I'm sorry
0 likes@Courtney Simala no idea what this means
0 likesDeserved the sentence he got, BUT always ask for a Lawyer lol
0 likesThat poor kid and woman.
0 likes1.87 mill subs heh 😳🧐👨✈️
0 likes208 is when he should of lawyered up
0 likesWe need more videos, best stuff in Youtube. 👌
0 likesI need my JCS fix!!!
0 likes@lilly girl just get a vpn
0 likesLoop ppppppl
0 likesDid dun go to jail
0 likesHis fiancé was more upset than him that says it alllllll right there! She feels guilty for what her fiancé did!
0 likesWho here doesn't like True Crime loser?
0 likes@Enoch Powell oh you're hilarious 🤣 just the sort of thing old Enoch would have said, he was something else
0 likesPlease come back
0 likes@Art, Garden, Food Expressions Uhh, dude has 6.1 million views on 1 video....what’s your channel got?
0 likes@Art, Garden, Food Expressions OCP runs the cops
0 likesOver half of Jim's content has been removed. His Patreon is functionally dead, and you have to pay again whenever you want to access the old videos. He has made 0 attempt to fix ANY of this, and actively still actively removes archives of these deleted videos to this day. So many bad business practices, I can't say I'm still a fan of JCS. It was a good ride.
1 likeMichael was a mission to eliminate thug music
0 likes@pyrobison2002 He doesn’t like violence in certain entertainment,I’m sure it wouldn’t take a very sensitive gut feeling to know that the poor specimen of a “man” called Dunn wouldn’t have felt threatened in the slightest,infact I’m sure he would have hummed along carefree if it was the legendary Johnny Cash who was detailing how many tines he “watched that man die”!DUNN only lives the thug life for REALeven if in a insanely hypocritical manner,there’s no doubt he down for the “THUG LIFE”!!!zero joke intended as it’s a 100% FACT!
0 likesI like your voice but when your using words that you don’t hear all the time it’s hard to know what your talking bout I would dumb it down a bit or explain those words but other than that you do great work I’m gonna subscribe and like
0 likesI love you man!
0 likesSo the point was he made up the gun; and the girlfriend and kids' stories matched more?
0 likes@Art, Garden, Food Expressions the video did get more than 6mil views so I ges your opinion doesn't matter. 😂
0 likes27:07 what kind of emotion is that? Is it disgust?
0 likesGenius work
0 likes@Art, Garden, Food Expressions if you watched the video that the description is on you'd know who michael dunn is...
0 likesAt 31:18 read the frustration of the black detective make the suspect uncomfortable when he glances in the corner of his eyes....let's be honest...he's using the... these black dangerous teens made me fear for my life so I defended my life.....he thought he could pull a stand your ground with this mild manner demeanor....
0 likesI see a lot of anti white racism here from the jury and officers!
0 likesThank you so much for your upload. This channel is fascinating and has cost me some enjoyable late nights. 🇬🇧
0 likesEnded up watching this entire channel in one night
1 like@Art, Garden, Food Expressions
0 likesMmm
@Art, Garden, Food Expressions one lmo
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0 likesI agree with most of the views here but I do think you are missing something "Kid" or "Kids" is usually thrown out for people that are younger than yourself at his age more than an indication of actual adolescence.
0 likes@Art, Garden, Food Expressions We click on it and then webfind out.
0 likesYour channel is the shit man.
0 likesAs a huge supporter of the second amendment and concealed carry, I really enjoyed this video and the Michael Drejka video. It highlights the fact that we are responsible for each and every bullet that leaves our barrel and we have to deal with the consequences for the damage it causes. Some people don't understand this until their in Jail.
0 likesPlease make more self defense shooting videos.
0 likesSo this man was drunk and felt disrespected and let his emotions lead him into stupidity. I bet he blows his top regularly and blames others because he has been attacked.
1 likeCops said it exactly right. He lost his temper and killed a kid. So busy defending himself can’t take responsibility for his own actions.
@Art, Garden, Food Expressions it pretty much explains it as you watch the video
0 likesOttomatic making excuses for being racist lol
0 likesYeah, racists often try to claim that lol
0 likesright. like how you're afraid to face the fact that you're racist and projecting it on other people lol
0 likes@Jackson Robert Dennie oh goodness! 🤣 What class were you taking at the time? (I'm hooked on watching these videos too.)
0 likes@Kaioken20
0 likesBcpop
@DrealTeam 6ix ?
0 likes@Art, Garden, Food Expressions thats what the video is for 😐😐 you could also just do your own research lmao
0 likesThe 1st 3 shots YEAH. The 1s after we're too much. Cops do the shit all the time based on what they think they seen!!!
0 likesThis dude was scared for his life!!! Str8 up. Look at the violence black youth presents to america. It's ashame and stereotypical but it's why he reacted the way he did
0 likesThat bullshit bullet point at the top of the video about him not knowing they were kids is B.S CUZ now he's being interrogated and he knows after everything that they are in fact kids
0 likesHi :)
0 likesPlease make a podcast! I will be the first to subscribe to a paid membership. Hell, I’ll be your cohost and will bear the expenses!
0 likesWeird how there are no riots about cases like these....
0 likes@Art, Garden, Food Expressions why not just quickly google... Or wait a couple of minutes when it explains who he is. Stop being lazy/impatient. Its free quality content.
0 likes@Art, Garden, Food Expressions google could tell you
0 likes@Kyle Brown stupid comment. Someone puts out a video and then directs you to go to Google for info about it. LOL. get outta here. you're muted.
0 likesLike, not only have you provided some really great quality content and information, educating rather than mindless dribble, but you have also asked for input and linked to alternate views or additional sources. This channel is amazing!
0 likesWay too close to home my best friend is a LEO at JSO
0 likesInimqnn
0 likesStop narrating over the videos. You are always wrong
0 likesSaying "his pet, his puppet" Referring to his fiancé was wrong IMO. There are only a few example of her honesty and kindness.
0 likesmake some new shit
0 likes@7 Eyes open wide I would be interested in that case also
1 like@Art, Garden, Food Expressions John Dunn’s brother.
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0 likes@Art, Garden, Food Expressions 1pq cs0c
0 likesHe was very stupid not to admit guilt and remorse over the pain he inflicted on the victims families. This makes him a narcissist and psychopat. His girlfriend is the only one who gained on his crime , she can now leave this monster without physical threats and start a new life.....h
0 likes@Long Duk Dong you ok?
0 likes@Long Duk Dong great stuff.
0 likes@Long Duk Dong 😂
0 likes13percentcommitover54percentofallviolentcrimes
0 likesCrazy
0 likesThis video seems like a ad for armoured cars cuz now I want a armoured car so I don’t get lit up by some boomer
0 likesShe's so nice 😭
0 likesCop: There’s no weapon in that car.
0 likesMikey: Well can I get a stick for $300, Alex?
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
do jeremy dewitte next
0 likesHey man I fuckin love your videos. You are making a new wave of copycat accounts trying to do interrogation analysis videos like yours but not as good. Keep making more videos. So many cases you can cover. Hope you post more soon.
0 likesHurry up and make more content
0 likesWe are all waiting for the next video
Don’t keep us waiting 4 months tho time
Seemed to me that this guy would have done what any other person would in this stressful situation with out thinking it through
0 likesWwwww
0 likesDude this is a video about an area by me. My man thank you
0 likes@Art, Garden, Food Expressions it’s called an intriguing title....
0 likesPlease make more more more
0 likes@Art, Garden, Food Expressions I didn't know who he was either. I learned as I watched though. I mean it does say "The case of Michael Dunn" I know now. Piece of shit did what did of his own accord and didn't think of anyone involved not even "the love of my life" God this is upsetting.
0 likes@Peter Quint oh I love it!!!!!!!!!!
0 likes@Peter Quint omg yes and Latisha Tee Gough
0 likes@Art, Garden, Food Expressions if you watched the video you would know tf
0 likesI didn't know how many kids there were in there?
0 likesI thought they were all grown up men..🤯
There are so many comments here, and this video was uploaded a year ago, so I don't know if you'll read this. But if you do...Thank-you for breaking down these cases the way you do! And Thank-you to everyone who put so much time and energy into creating videos that give us all insight into the cases, and minds, of these individuals. Awesome job! ✌😎🤘
0 likesAs my cop step dad used to say, "thank God criminals are stupid but think they are smart otherwise we wouldn't catch nearly as many of em". What a sociopathic piece of work
0 likesMore!!!!!
0 likesLol. I love watching your Channel.
Dunn sounds pretty based
0 likes@Art, Garden, Food Expressions the video tells you who he is
0 likesAs soon as the detectives leave......the holy grail die inside.
0 likesNarration is annoying.. Besides that great vid 👍
0 likes@Art, Garden, Food Expressions You are disgusting speaking that way 🤢
0 likesHe looks like an LA Noire interrogation on the stand!!
0 likesPlease do about Molly Martens and her father Thomas Martens. Everyone still believes that they both murdered Jason Corbett.
0 likesI love your Documentations♡
0 likesOr because he's done 14 months in prison bringing up his Bird/dog living together ..made him cry because he's stuck in a cell and knows he's f.d up
2 likesU
0 likes@Art, Garden, Food Expressions what no he doesn’t he explained to us who he is and if that’s not enough then just search him up
0 likesSomething about this case fascinates me. I honestly don't know why, but your coverage of this case is succinct.
0 likes@Becca S. in what respect
0 likesI've watched this over 3 times, great job. Love your editing style and pacing, to include the abrupt "just the facts" ending (without a 2 min Bill Kurtis voiceover wrap up of the psychology of Mr. Dunn). Thanks!
0 likesQuestion- do you have a Patreon or anything else I can do to extra help you out? Your videos are awesome and I want to give you all the support I can.
0 likesIf they ever make a movie out of this case, please let John Carroll Lynch play Michael! I´m BEGGING you!
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0 likes@Art, Garden, Food Expressions During the wedding reception Michael Dunn drank three glasses of fluid motion and feasted on a plate of cheese and something, something crackers
0 likesWhy did he do it? - Life without parole. Sheesh
0 likesWhere is the JCS merchandise?
0 likessorry man but this is your worst interpretation thus far, I have enjoyed your other videos though
0 likesHey, I have to thank you for this video and your commentary (The channel named "this is MONSTERS" also does a great - and different - take on this case).
0 likesIs there video from the party store?
0 likes@Art, Garden, Food Expressions well, I'm just guessing here but....maybe the guy the whole video is about? Let's watch it and find out!
0 likesI want John Carrol Lynch so bad to play Michael in a movie, omg, they look so alike.....
0 likesI don't recall and I want a lawyer
0 likesI don't recall and I want a lawyer
@Youtuber how does that work please, whenever you join is there another section of videos on there?
0 likes@maria cheung how does patron wrk please?
0 likes@Art, Garden, Food Expressions o 0⁰0990
0 likesI'm from the UK it is so strange to us how guns are so worshiped in USA, we never see or touch guns over here, thank God, I would be afraid to go out in the USA, they are not in our culture thank the lord🙏🙏👎
0 likesthank u so much
0 likes@Art, Garden, Food Expressions my thoughts exactly. I googled him and got nothing so ... well said bro.
0 likesWe need more videos, please. There's nobody who does the job better than you. We need more,more,more videos please 🙏.
0 likesAND," WHO ARE YOU "!?
0 likesI need more content !! I’ve rewatched your vids like 15 times
0 likesThere are millions of angry white and black racist people out there wanting to do this on a daily basis! How do we stop this hatred?
0 likesWait a minute.
0 likesYou don’t get a correct confession ever when a person is in the police station. Person get confidence after person get days to rest.
will he be in jail all the time alone?
0 likesThank you for your videos. I was wondering if we can get a video of a interview where the suspect is actually innocent.. and what for clues to look for
0 likes@Pleunie Van Den Hurck do you think he's innocent?
0 likesA car driver blocking our community gate entrance threatened to kill me when I approached the car and asked them if everyone was ok. My 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th thoughts were “nothing is worth this trouble, lets call the police if they dont leave soon”. At no point does a sane person think “hmmm, maybe shoot first and ask questions later”
0 likes@Art, Garden, Food Expressions 12 million views and 5 million subscribers suggest this channel might be better at this than you are. Maybe pay attention and think “how are they doing it”, rather than “I’m smarter than you”. Let me guess: you didn’t get good grades in school, did you?
0 likesThis guy is so egotistical he can’t even pretend to regret murdering a kid because he is too involved in describing how heroically and perfectly he loaded his weapon
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I loved it, every move he described to load it. Hes an Avenger
103 likesThe way he speaks, his vocal pattern reminds me of onision. I think narcissists/egotistical crazy people all talk like that
141 likesWithout any military training too! But he has friends in the military. What a cool guy😤
85 likes"It was a fluid motion, both handed, I felt like John Wick."
91 likes@Samantha Bauer you hit the nail on the head
9 likes@TheSnapshotKingat 51:46 I think it was "you're not gonna kill me you son of a bitch!" And he nailed a perfect John Wayne too🤣
23 likesHe is probably racist too
51 likes@Bryan Smith wait hold up. He has friends in the military?!?! This changes everything. If only we could all be as cool as him with his military friends!
17 likesI just agree I don't like loud music and could do something like this if someone ignored me when I used my right
0 likes@Kacper Parzęcki better be joking
2 likes@C$PG Weeb speak normally
9 likesHow dare you not mention his fairly expensive Bed&Breakfast! How shameless of you!
8 likes@Jacob Eden well start telling black people that in they face
29 likesLet’s be honest here this guys viewpoint was rooted in ardent racism and is probably why he felt so fucking comfortable killing a kid
22 likesHe's a trump
9 likes@Joshua Zavala Yes, he is a trump. One singular trump. Just one trump. That's the one. A trump. He is a trump.
9 likesscary
1 like@Jacob Eden
1 likeBased af bro
@Thanos TheGoat
2 likesThis guy did, lol
He put a more than words to their face
What are you gonna do about it? Nothing
You larp as a tough guy on the internet but you’re nothing and you won’t do anything
That's America!!!
1 like@Jacob Eden Excuse you ?
6 likesExactly this.
0 likes@Agent K And look what happened to him, he's in prison. Project much? Just curious, I'd love for drive-in theaters to make a comeback and you look like a great projector, Mr. Internet Skinhead.
6 likes@TheSnapshotKing Yeah, he was trying so hard to describe the stereotypical angry, black guy. SMFH!
6 likes@TheSnapshotKing there probably was a whole action movie with him as lead roll playing in hes head.
0 likes@Ocelot SF dude what?
0 likes@Jacob Eden I really do hope that this comment is sarcasm
1 likeI think guilt creates a blindspot that prevents you from acknowledging victims. In order to effectively lie, he has to push down his guilt, which necessarily means disassociating himself from the plight of his victims. For a criminal to get around that would require next level preparation.
1 like@Demi Urge How so?
0 likes@Jacob Eden...well it looks like you and this guy are in agreement. Too bad the cops didn't agree.
0 likes@Tucsonan Dude he was 17, which is legally a kid. Did u even watch the video?
4 likes@Jacob Eden grow up
0 likes@Jacob Eden the color of skin doesn't determine someone's personality.
1 like@Anonymous Hiram yeah he doesn’t see black people as human . He describes the shooting as if he were telling a hunting story and his use of language towards the victims. “Thugs” ,”They’re violent “ ,”thug music”. There’s no remorse in his speech. The reason he was so upset is because he couldn’t believe that a
2 likesgroup of black kids would dare go against his will
@Kacper Parzęcki probably? No most definitely
0 likesHe could of made the navy seals when he was younger but his unit was far too big. Kept gettin in the way.
0 likes“I hate that thug music”
2335 likesimmediately commits a drive by shooting over a verbal argument
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Yeah, I was thinking that. He's somewhat lacking in self-irony. I wonder if he wielded his weapon gangsta style?
135 likesits just his culture lmao
52 likesAnd even worse is he chose to park right on the side of the truck with the loud music.
40 likes@Tree Cooper Typical boomer. Gotta control everything.
61 likesMy favorite comment lol
2 likesBased tbh
1 likeImmediately runs up on an opp
24 likesThis comment wins
1 likeWe all know he doesn't say "thug music". He used the n-word.
30 likes@Jeffrow Ryan good
7 likes@pooh cope and seethe
23 likes@Greatest in da nation Wide about what
1 like😆😆😆😆😆😆👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
1 likeThug life choose him
1 likelmao
0 likesThugs shot by a real OG.
1 likeI don’t think he used the word “thug”.. the real phrase would’ve made it a hate crime.
11 likes@Castro Jordan she said he said that
1 likeon me
0 likes@fred bloggs the cops asked him that basically lol
0 likesThis just illustrates the power of that kind of music to make otherwise rational people commit acts of evil.
0 likes@Limlaith Lmao the truth is You just dont understand that this man wanted that situation. He hates that kind of music to the point of irrationality. That makes him irrational ma’am. He was still shooting at them as they drove back, he said he returned fire when they didn’t shoot a single bullet.
7 likes@Limlaith he didn’t have to listen to it though. You can go to other stores you know..
1 like@Andrew Hill it ain't the music he hates pal
6 likes@Daily Dissent yeah obviously its deeper than that pal, guy is looking for it.
0 likes@Daily Dissent His women aint even cover his back, she knows he aint jack sh**
3 likes@pooh least racist 4channer
4 likes@Limlaith Endless excuses from the “moralist” crowd.
0 likes@Jake Yates Hey my pop's a boomer and he would only blast you for playing Bieber ;)
0 likes@Jeffrow Ryan You mean the F bomb? (the Fuhrman bomb)
0 likesI can almost guarantee he didn't say "thug"
0 likesFor real though, those young men were so much less of thugs than that pile of garbage
0 likesJesus Christ, I never even thought of that 🤦🏾♂️
1 likeIRONYYYY
1 likeHates the thug music; loves the thug life
1 likeHe's not against rap, he's not against rappers, but he is against those thugs...
1 like"Straaight outta Compton"
0 likesHow does that relate to “thug music”
0 likes“I have never been more scared in my life”
2615 likesDrives off, orders pizza, walks dog unarmed…absolutely terrified…
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LOOOOOOOOL... "absolutely terrified"
36 likesExactly
4 likes“My lord I had quite a fright! A peasant dared to upon me!”
37 likesYes, but it wasn't revenge he was scared of. It was getting caught. So he tried to play it cool. And completely fucked it up! Good riddance.
12 likes😂😂😂😂😂😂
1 likeTerrified of the police coming to arrest him
7 likesHe said he was afraid the thugs might find him at the hotel yet he walked the dog, ordered pizza and DIDN’T CALL THE POLICE!!!
18 likesyes, he was petrified. lol
2 likesSo what? Man's gotta eat, dog's gotta sheet...
4 likesHey give him a break, it was Pizza Hut. Turning off sarcasm. This POS really gets me worked up. I can't believe someone could kill a person, let alone a teenager, and say he is the victim. I am not one in favor of the death penalty, but I actually feel its warranted here
6 likes@Timothy Sztaba he really tried it but it didn’t work lol
0 likes@Sincerely Yours "Oh officer! Black kid play the shooty bang music and I had to defend myself! I was so scared!"
6 likesDevils advocate some people are just that stupid lol
2 likes@Viral Video "I hate thug music but I'm gonna sit there and let it bother me anyway."
2 likesDon't forget...he leaves the gun in the glove box upon returning to the hotel
0 likesThats what pizza does to you.
0 likesIndeed! And that's why he proceeded to open fire on a car full of unarmed black teenagers for playing their rap music too loud.
0 likesYou're telling me you don't impulsively do chores and order food when you're scared????
0 likesfinally someone gets it
0 likesThat detective intentionally comes out with one of the great sarcastic remarks.
1409 likes"What did you shoot at?"
"The door"
"What was the purpose of that?"
"To save my life."
"From the door?"
That's gold.
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7 likesGigainterviewer
1 likeTime stamp pls
3 likes@Night 43:06
14 likesGot him!
0 likesThe only thing I don’t agree with are his comments of “I can’t shoot someone cause I think they have a gun” cops do that shot all time and walk away without even a slap on the wrist
17 likes"not the car was shooting, you were shooting"
1 like@FISHIN MAGICIAN Yes but they bring along their throw-downs.
0 likes@FISHIN MAGICIAN My thoughts exactly!
0 likesI still can’t believe that teenagers playing music is what drove him to murder. Those poor boys, I’m glad that monster is locked up
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He saw them as less do to them being black
63 likes@Kendall Simington due*** to them
12 likes@Annabelle oh be fair!
4 likes@Brick Top lol that wasnt me being racist or sum dw im kidding
5 likesit wasn't the music, it was his racism
29 likesi moved to the us over a year ago - for the life of me i will never understand why you have to annoy other people with your loud music, in my steet it happens every day and it is a nice area. but i guess its just the egotistical american culture
10 likes@Kendall Simington is ebonics now being taught instead of traditional english in US public schools? Urban youth are incredibly uneducated on average. Reading and writing at what would be a grade 5 level here in Canada
0 likes@Shawn Hughes No one cares shawn, but greetings from NS!
7 likes@Dylan Jackson I know but, here in Canada we are all together. If you are all born and raised in the same neighbourhood, you all act and sound very similar regardless of colour. It seems like Americans are all separated and even if you grow up blocks away from each other, it still depends on what race you are.... so weird eh?
1 like@Shawn Hughes It's THAT high?
0 likes@Shawn Hughes Americans living in cities have been separated due to race over time. Specifically black people were only given loans to buy houses in certain lower income districts while white families of the same income were given loans to live in much more wealthy neighborhoods and while that kind of ruling has since been made illegal, the effects of it remain to this day. Meaning there are often large areas of low income families that are primarily black today. It depends on what race you are only for this reason.
6 likesAnd even further from that, some black families have since become more wealthy and have gotten out of life of crime and have integrated into higher income areas and they more often than not talk very similar to people of different races that live in the same areas. So id argue it does not necessarily depend on race, rather the area you live in, which is often segmented by race.
@Nick Dimitre ya true... good points
0 likes@Piknk It wasn't over music. It was over disrespect from Black teenagers to a White man twice their age. All participated in this tragedy.
5 likesThat's really disingenuous to pretend there isn't a racial aspect to this.
8 likesHe did nothing wrong.
2 likes@Shawn Hughes Your comment is not dissimilar to the racist attitudes that spur these monsters on. Conflating AAVE with education. You have scant self-awareness and your inability to parse dialects or creoles or aave is an indictment of you and not others.
11 likes@Mark9898 ??
0 likes@Mark9898 the SUV was at the store first. They had no idea an older white racist was going to pull beside him and start trouble.
2 likesI would've danced with them a second or two.
Music, ALL MUSIC, is good for the soul. It's great therapy and a great way to make friends. I didn't like rap or hiphop when it first started. But, I started listening to the lyrics. I can say I love ALL music.
5 minutes. This racist man couldn't put up with culturally different music from himself for 5 minutes. One or both would've been gone. Jordan would still be alive.
@inegnu “look at meeee! Look at meee! USA! USA!”
3 likesThey were acting like thugs, lessons to be learnt on all sides I think.
1 like@Nick Dimitre Disbarring legally-mandated segregation, it’s a combination of housing policy, racially restrictive housing covenants, deeds that banned sale to black people (see Levittown), credit discrimination, and if I listed all of them this would be twice as long.
2 likesAll of those factors have worked to confine millions to bleak living conditions and set the stage for worse when the Nixon and Reagan Administrations began the war on drugs.
Which makes the legal distinction between “de jure” and “de facto” segregation since 1971 all the more infuriatingly counterintuitive. All segregation in this country was birthed from deliberately discriminatory acts to deny the social uplift of the formerly enslaved.
I think it was more than the music, calling them thugs says it all.
3 likeshe's not a monster he's a complete and utter idiot who owns a gun not a great mix
0 likesI will say the way he seemed to idk brag about how well-versed he is on guns and his practice and experience with them despite the fact he shot and killed a kid is indicative of a lack of empathy or concern that he killed someone and the prison phone call seems like he takes pride in what he's done feeling it was justified which is sick even after his claim to self-defense was broken down by the cops at that point of the timeline of events
@Shawn Hughes yes because Canada is known to treat the Eskimo population safe, and doesn't mistreat them at all.
0 likesRhonda’s humanity is incredible. The truth causes her so much pain, but she suffers through it because she knows it’s the right thing to do. I hope she finds peace.
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I know!! Poor woman, her whole life turned upside down because of that monster and then having to get up in court and testify against the man she loved because she knew that he was a murderer must have been so difficult. Her testimony no doubt is what solidified his conviction as he was shown by the person closest to him to be a liar. Thank goodness for her and that she actually had empathy.
3350 likesI agree, I have a feeling her truth comes from abusive history shes seen before from him but it's hard to admit to strangers
1462 likesShe’s had a lucky escape, she seems like a sweet and mild woman, but who knows what would’ve happened if she upset him during a fight. She could’ve been next.
1998 likes@bravo1IsixI it's not about "snitching" it's an internal battle she is fighting.
1536 likesShe is fighting herself as she knows she needs to tell the truth because that's what the victims deserve and trying to protect her fiance.
I think what she did was remarkable as you can tell this was a major battle she was fighting in her mind.
I just hope she eventually moves on and finds somebody that will treat her like the lady she deserves to be treated like.
He broke her heart
376 likesFlygon Fiasco yes, I felt the same way! I truly hope she’s able to find peace as well...Hearing her voice shaking so much while on the witness stand broke my heart for her. 😰
276 likesBroken Silence and thus she persisted, so strong, so conflicted. That’s such a load of bullshit. She stuck by him until the cops showed up and then she got scared and snitched. If she was so brave and strong she would have called the police from the hotel, not waited until they tracked her down. Spare everyone the feminist shit and see things for what they are.
109 likesShe is having an internal battle - not snitch on her old boy and risk being prosecuted for it; or disown her fiancee because she wouldn't wanna do a few months in jail for him. She is a coward and a snitch.
51 likes@bravo1IsixI I coulda sworn she said she got a call when they got home and he was starting to walk the dog.
60 likesWell said! And I agree totally
5 likes@bravo1IsixI in civilised places it's called being honorable, telling the truth, being honest. Not sure what shithole you're living in on the daily but when you swear an oath you don't lie
576 likes@bravo1IsixIAnd hiding a murder is a better way. Grow up
336 likes@Nurmi Koil It's not being a coward to tell the truth. That kind of thinking is cancerous to society. Being a snitch is going out of your way to inform LE of something one of your friends has done without being questioned, FOR YOUR BENEFIT, either to protect yourself, or to get a reduced sentence for something else. Being questioned by the police about the senseless murder of young boys and telling the truth about what he said isn't being a snitch. He admitted he shot them, he admitted to shooting a fleeing vehicle, none of that was in doubt. She was questioned already before the trial and just told the truth. Telling the truth despite the repercussions is courageous, she didn't do it to save herself.
381 likes@Anastacia Marchesini Leave the detective work to those who know how to do it and spare us your bias.
7 likesI hope Rhonda was able to move on and isn't wasting her life feeling some stupid form of loyalty to a man that had no problems dragging her into his bullshit story. And rest in peace to the poor boy that lost his life over a man wanting to be a hero in his delusional mind.
128 likesFake crying
20 likesNurmi Koil the coward is also the killer and he snitching on himself in the interrogation with no lawyer.
39 likes@S 13 out of 50 commenters disagree, I wonder why /s
5 likesNah she knew that man had racism in his heart. No way she could be with someone who would say “I hate thug music” when pulling up beside a car of young black men and not have heard him say something else before this incident. I’m glad she told the truth but there’s no way she hasn’t been complicit in his racism before, it just hadn’t gotten to this point.
115 likesS everyone is a coward until they are not. You ain’t no coward for battling the truth!
9 likesmorbidmaddi - I don't know why the judge and prosecution didn't just go directly to you instead of setting a trial, you seem to have it all worked out
39 likeszz3open - you seem very agitated, do you even know why? seems like you have the girlfriends thoughts and motives thoroughly understood? Do you watch a lot of daytime tv and scream your insights at the people on your shows?
19 likesShe should have called police in the morning when she saw the news footage. I doubt prior to that she even realized a crime had been committed. He didn’t talk in the car then went out a walked the dog. She was in the store when it all went down. She may have passed out before he got back with the dog. He also could have retrieved his gun before the dog walk. All she knows is that he didn’t take it to the room. But once she realized that something definitely went down, she should have turned herself in, not driven two hours back home.
25 likes@S Yeah being a snitch is only wrong regarding victimless crimes....
28 likes@zz3OPEN excellent point. the man chose submissive, dependent personalities to be with, whom he could easily intimidate. she is loosing her safety blanket. though i still think she has a good heart.
18 likesbravo1IsixI - and murder isn’t?
15 likesN. Johnson she probably testified against him in exchange for immunity. She never called the police despite having knowledge of a murder.
19 likes@bravo1IsixI "People should let others get away with murdering innocent people!"
43 likes@bravo1IsixI "being a snitch is wrong." The anthem of smooth-brains who celebrate criminality. Dude you're so fucking epic win. Please do a Ted talk, you brave soul. 🤗🤗🤗
73 likesTook Rhonda awhile to find her humanity. It wasn't until the 2nd trial when she told the truth.
13 likesbravo1IsixI or she was scared he would hurt her before the cops got there? do you honestly think that she was in the wrong in this situation? or is it okay to go around shooting innocent people because you don’t like their disposition?
40 likesmollkatless how did you get that I have it all worked out from that comment? I’m just saying she knew before he killed that kid that he was racist. No way she didn’t. I didn’t say she didn’t do the right thing in the end
8 likes@S it's a lie taught to us by those who don't want to participate themselves in truth-telling.. the 1%. It has nothing to do ethics.
1 like@Madison the sweet little lily white lady of the old South... Whimpering and wringing her hands... What a fake.
19 likesFlygon Fiasco yes she comes across as a survivor herself watching during the interview and Stand makes me believe that doing her relationship she probably went through a lot of emotional and verbal abuse from Mr. DUNNBut yet she stayed courageous and told the truth no pun intended but I think this incident allowed her to dodge a bullet herself I can only imagine what a nightmare he must be as a husband
20 likes@Jakey Knightsy lol
0 likes@bravo1IsixI not if hes guilty
4 likesbravo1IsixI snitching against some nerd with no friends to do anything about yeah good one 😂😂😂
3 likes@bravo1IsixI why is he talking shit? Because he doesn't agree with you? Justice for the victim far outweighs the need to "snitch"
19 likesSo let me get this straight...a young man was murdered in front of his 3 friends who were inches away. His parents lost their child and all you people direct your sympathy towards the murderer's fiancee ? Someone who fled the scene with him and couldn't take 3 seconds to dial 911 ? Disgusting
51 likes@Some Body I know, makes you wonder what their personal life was like before this horrid thing happened... He screams of woman beater and mommy issues.
11 likesI hope she realizes she’s attracted to psychopaths and fixes that about herself. It’s called being a doormat, and the outcome is never good.
11 likesRhonda killed herself November 9th 2019
9 likes@Akbar Shabazz-Jenkins What does his being black have to do with anything?
1 likeAmazing woman
1 like@Madison racist! You are just looking for a reason to hate. She is not to blame for ANY of this!
10 likes@christine robinson turned HERSELF in... for what? So easy to judge what someone else should have done now that you have all the facts of a case... if SHE had known all the facts at that time she may have acted differently.
15 likes@Madison so what if she did know he was racist! Most blacks who comment on youtube are racist and their entire families are too. What are you trying to say?
7 likes@Design Studio she also told him to go talk to their local sheriff.
10 likesYup
1 like@PBMS123 I applaud you for giving a sensitive and insightful explanation of the situation. It must have been heartbreaking for her but telling the truth showed that she had the compassion for the victims that her boyfriend lacked. It had to have been devastating to know that he was capable of such a violent, senseless act.
6 likes@Madison That's possible (that she knew he was a racist) but she didn't murder anybody.
11 likes@zz3OPEN Those two things are not mutually exclusive. She could have been "torn up" both because he senselessly took another life, and also because he did something so horrible he's going to prison when they had previously planned to marry before all this happened.
10 likesAnastacia Marchesini - I like your thoughts, somebody can see!
0 likes1000%
2 likesShe has my sincere admiration.
6 likesCan you imagine if this incident didn't happen and she married that guy and then one day he gets irrationally upset with something she does and then she's the murder victim because this guy responds with lethal violence for minor transgressions.
6 likesRhonda is lucky to be away from Mike!
3 likesI read an article. It said everyone who knew him incl. friends and neighbours, said he was a mean bastard. He was violent with ex's. Only his daughter defended him. It didn't say anything about how this fiance felt. I'm sure she saw his meanness. Not sure why she even wanted to marry him. I can't see him suppressing it while with her. Who knows tho. One person who knew him well said they were not surprised he was in this kind of trouble.
13 likesshes a narc. narcs get what they deserve! Glad that lunatic is in jail tho lol
1 likeTrue, am even thinking, who knows, may be she has experienced his out of control behaviour, and she is glad that he is out of her life😅
2 likesPBMS123
3 likesWell said! Thank you.
Pylo Dae
2 likesRight. It’s the people who don’t “snitch” because they’re afraid or they live life on the wrong side who are the cowards.
Scott Alderson
13 likesI could find nothing about Rhonda Rouer killing herself at the end of 2019. She hasn’t been in the news since 2015, when she was quoted as saying she couldn’t visit Dunn in prison because it left her traumatized.
Please provide a link, if you’re telling the truth, or an explanation if you’re lying.
Rhonda is an adult with a cell phone who, after fleeing a crime scene, didn’t call the police so they wouldn’t have to search for her and Dunn all night and day. Dunn tells her he was attacked and she knows those boys never touched Dunn, no mention of a gun and she still rides for him. She didn’t lie on the stand and everybody wants to give her an award. Maybe she didn’t want to commit perjury and get arrested herself. Also, if I have to hear about their god damn dog when a child is dead, I’m going to scream.
7 likesI hope so too. But in my eyes she had done what she could, and kept doing the right thing.
7 likesAlso she didn't pull the trigger or pulled up the gun.
She didn't do anything wrong, she just happened to be there as it happened I hope she will be okay
I've heard Rhonda is no longer with us and committed suicide last year, but could not confirm.
13 likesRhonda was in shock at first. This is very clear.
But in the hotel room, she made a choice not to call the police and get away from her fiance. She may have kept that silence if the police hadn't found him by themselves. She isn't a strong woman and has trouble choosing in a situation that requires a choice. While we can give her empathy for not making a choice due to reasons of possible shock, emotions, and loyalty to fiance, we shouldn't celebrate her lack of choice as something someone does who is strong. I do hope she finds peace and that she shouldn't be hard on herself. She very obviously is scared and unable to choose, connecting to others like Dunn who control her life and choices. If she is alive, I do hope she forgives her own self her weakness as we should as well. The tears she is shedding during the trial is more from her extreme anxiety and emotional level and shouldn't be taken as humanity. She no doubt has it, however, and will be dealing with the pain of this for years. The actual victim who died should still get more focus and sympathy however.
Does a woman's feelings trump a boy's life? Purely rhetorical, but there seems to be a group of people showing greater empathy for her and her position than for the death of the boy.
@Pax00Imperium I disagree with that last statement. Everyone feels sad for the boy but some are attacking her and so others are defending her.
16 likes@Madison...FINALLY SOMEONE WITHBRAINS...THANK YOU
0 likes@bravo1IsixI truth!!!
0 likes@Scott francis def
0 likes@Blkeclipse L they are sheep. Blind and deaf born to follow
2 likesbravo1IsixI this woman seems very meek and mild sounds to me she was afraid of him in some way when you are afraid of some pos like a man like that you don’t say NO it’s not in the dictionary of men like that please don’t put woman like that in a bad light.
9 likesMorbidMaddi Bingo!!! You don't just shoot somebody like that outta know where. She knew about his racism and either agreed with him or was too cowardly to leave such a bigoted person. Either way she gets sympathy because she's a white woman.
0 likes@bravo1IsixI found the criminal
5 likesShe’s good, I’ve been tapping that on the low
0 likesAkbar Shabazz-Jenkins George Zimmerman is white now?
1 likeShe didn't deserve to go through any of this and she appears to be completely honest and brave. I agree, that's humanity right there.
5 likesShe wasn't there, she was inside, I feel bad someone got killed but I'm not sure how I'd react in fear either?
4 likes@Aaron James WORD!
0 likesREALLY? WHAT ABOUT THE BOYS?? In a way what you say is deeply disturbing.
0 likesAussie Girl oh give me break alteady
0 likesShe was truthful because she got in the car with him after he murdered someone, if she wasn't truthful she would of been an accomplice for sure!!
2 likes@Scott Alderson Whoa, seriously??
0 likesShe deserves peace and happiness. If there were more people like her, the world would be a much better place.
1 like@N. Johnson Poor woman? She was the only lucky person in this whole situation. The true victim is Jordan, his friends and especially his parents, who in their middle age, lost their one and only son. What Rhonda went through giving that testimony was little more than an inconvenience compared to what Jordans parents went through listening to it.
5 likes@Scott Alderson Did she!? Whoa!
0 likesGod works in mysterious ways ha
0 likesAmen. Praying for the boys family more than anything but praying for her as well. It's a horrible tragedy this man inflicted upon a young boy. It's horrible the what this woman had to go through but she was brave enough to go through it in order to pursue justice for the boy and his family. Truly wishing peace on his family as well as her.
4 likes@Brotha Awakener I'm with ya there. F that Dunn, his narcissism, and his fake empathy.
3 likesBut the same "race" that traded black slaves, killed 60 million whites, from starvation, in just one country, in WW2.
It's no secret, our common enemy prefers standing by laughing while we hate and fight one another, while they laugh, teap the spoils, and rewrite our real histories. The enemy owns the NGO's, and MSM, and use their standard divide and conquer bs as playbook.
The only way the enemy wins, is by us falling for their bs. I have all "shades" of friends; none of believe in lies, and hate...
We are all brothers, my friend.❤️
@Juan Crisantes Plot twist💥She marries a Black dude and Charlie has Black puppies.
2 likes@zz3OPEN and was in a relationship with a man who is clearly petty, aggressive, entitled, dramatic and, going by how infuriatingly meek she is, possibly abusive/controlling. She sounds like she just nods her head, yes sir, yes sir, no sir, yes sir, never rocks the boat. I'm pretty sure this man's behaviour wasn't some out of the blue brain fart, she knows what kind of a person he is.
3 likes@ICEY I CAN'T with this comment 😂😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣
0 likesFlygon Fiasco I hope she doesn’t date another racist.
1 like@Blkeclipse L I know she should have been charged aswell because she had so many opportunities to call the police but she didn't and I can bet anything if the police didn't know who did it she would have kept it to herself. The man who took his number plate deserves a medal! He was on probation aswell but still came forward. RIP JORDAN.
1 like@Madison yes
0 likesNot just that but knowing that the person you’re supposed to be marrying would kill someone randomly over nothing is not exactly a desirable trait.
1 likeF this lady... She still here living it up.
0 likesThe truth will always find the light and the truth was in her and forced its way to the light. She immediately knew he overreacted because during her interrogation she said she was thinking as they were leaving the scene “how could you be so stupid?” Now what woman after hearing her fiancé express to her that he was in legitimate fear for his and her life would think that his actions were stupid? She’s logically think even if it were a lie that he was at least partially justified if that’s what he honestly felt. But she knew better. He never expressed the eminent threat to either of their lives because there never was one. She knew that the only threat that night was in fact her fiancé and not those boys. Whew! What a thing to discover about the man you love.
0 likes@bravo1IsixI shes not a snitch. she helped get justice for that kid
1 likeShe wouldn’t of come forward if she thought her husband could get away with it
0 likesshe really does seem like a lovely person.
0 likesJust goes to show you ladies... don't settle, lots of good men out there leagues better than this guy. Demand more for yourselves!! Your a hot commdity! Poor Rhonda settled :(
2 likesAnd she was a nurse, right? For the rest of her life she gets to remember she dedicated her life to helping people then her wanting wine led to the murder of a poor teenager- you know she probably thinks of that young man and his family every day...and even if she didn't do a damn thing- you know she feels guilt.
0 likes@PBMS123 thank you
0 likesI feel extremely bad for Rhonda. I can't even imagine the shock, fear, and panic she must have felt
0 likesShe is objectively a good person, but if it was my wife or partner giving evidence against me, it would leave a bitter taste. I would not expect my wife to lie for me, but also she should not testify against me - I certainly would not testify against her even if I knew my wife was in the wrong. If you can't rely on your partner, who can you rely on? If it was me, I'd not say a thing to police, courts etc, just keep my fucking mouth shut.
2 likes@bravo1IsixI I'd say snitching is more a case of ratting out accomplices to benefit yourself, not simply telling the truth
0 likesshe´s a nurse that have another view of life as her fiance. So, she would lying (and betray) to herself and her whole life if she would not tell the truth in this case of a disproportionate.
0 likesShe was just a victim of a narcissist. Nothing brave about that.
0 likesAnyone who’d protect their “loved ones” when that person killed an innocent 17 year old boy and never cried for that boy for a second would be an evil bastard. But they exist. I’m glad she wasnt one of them and she’s a very brave person for that.
1 likeShe knew him for 4 years at least. I’m sure she knew he was racist
1 likeI have a 'controversial' take on Rhonda.
0 likesWhen you watch her full interview she is paranoid about being charged with a crime herself, especially for leaving the scene and not calling the police.
The detectives then get her to take the same oath you would in court to corroborate her statement in the interview.
During the trial she never contradicts her statement in the police interview. I wonder if she was worried she would be found in contempt of court or some kind of criminal charge for contradiction of an earlier statement.
As consequently, Micheal Dunn suggests in letters to Rhonda after her interview to state facts that he hadnt mentioned to her before his arrest.
She disloyal
0 likes@Madison You have absolutely no evidence of that.
1 like@christine robinson u
0 likesAgreed... Obviously I feel bad for the family of the victim, but I feel bad for her as well. You can tell she's a good person and realizes how much of an idiot her fiance was. I think she lucked out in that she didn't yet get married to this asshole.
4 likes@bravo1IsixI she knows telling the truth is the right thing to do, especially when it involves the death of a kid.
1 likeNot telling the truth would be selfish and cowardly.
What if it had been your kid???
@Nurmi Koil boo hoo. The murder's fiance didn't lie so he could be a free man. He killed someone for no reason. She did the right thing.
0 likes@bravo1IsixI I mean he was in the same room/car and just saw him shoot some kids I'd be terrified too. Not to mention giving him the benefit of the doubt when he said he only shot the car.
2 likesYou’re giving her too much credit. The truth is already out there, she’s just confirming it. And if she lies while under oath, then that’s perjury which carries its own consequences. She literally has no choice but to tell the truth.
1 like@Blkeclipse L My thoughts exactly.
1 likeThe truth of the matter is: deep down, we are all sick and tired of joggers.
0 likesShe didnt call the cops
0 likes@bravo1IsixI STFU😁
0 likesRhonda is a nurse which describes her character and ethics. She even asked if he'd hurt anyone.
1 likeI feel for her so much 🥺
0 likes@Scott Alderson Is that true?
0 likes@Scott Alderson I think you bullshitting Prove me wrong
0 likes@Turquoise I think Alderson is lying I have asked also for the link Rhonda Rouer still has an active Facebook page. Cheers
0 likes@Captain Freedom Scott is insecure and is lying
0 likes@Molly Ram He is lying
0 likes@Corrie Jesu and Rhonda had a teenage son herself
0 likesThat should just be standart practice though
0 likes@Scott Alderson Is this real or are you just interjecting more drama?? does nopt anyone here care about providing provennce for any statement or has this gone completely surreal.
0 likes@bravo1IsixI SIIIIIKE the clownery
0 likes@bravo1IsixI people really have to stop using terms they don’t know the meaning behind. A snitch is someone who commits a crime with someone else, and when caught by police. They tell on that person to receive a lesser punishment. Rhonda didn’t fire that weapon, nor did she want Jordan to die. She didn’t “snitch” she told the truth and helped put a cold hearted killer behind bars
3 likes@Trae Spicer Incel.
0 likes@bravo1IsixI What are you, an ex-con? Weak bait
0 likes@Anastacia Marchesini there is not "her truth" there is only THE truth. Thats why trials exist. by saying this you are devalorizing her.
1 likeAgee
0 likes@Jay M You should have heard Dunn's original description of their music, verbatim.
0 likes@bravo1IsixI I hope you never date lol
0 likes@bravo1IsixI 😂😂🤣🤣
0 likes@Matthew McGowan calm down billy bob
0 likes@Akbar Shabazz-Jenkins 100% He probably never even considered catching a murder charge. He's genuinely surprised when the cops tell him tell him he's being charged with murder. Yeah that's how it works when you kill somebody over nothing. Pretty much says everything about how toxic our society really is.
1 like@bravo1IsixI maybe she was afraid to upset the dude with the gun sleeping in her bed and sharing a hotel room with her that night, so she didn't call the cops right away.
1 likeAn freggin angel!!!!
0 likes@Anastacia Marchesini I never thought of that you could be on to something
0 likesBets her next boyfriend is black 🖤
0 likes@Jeff Warren damnit I made the same comment 1 minute before I found yours
1 like@Cap10 ZomB Great minds.😉 Aside from being obsessed with crime docs,I do comedy...
1 like@Jeff Warren I can't subscribe, Your number..how did you get this amount of subscribers?
0 likes@bravo1IsixI pretty sure it’s hard to leave your lover without something insane happening, and from the looks of it thee shooting was the first event of such a magnitude
0 likesSometimes lying is better than truth.
0 likesAmen!
0 likes@bravo1IsixI snitching is telling cops who you bought weed from. This is just testifying against someone who shot a kid for liking loud music.
1 like@Matthew McGowan too bad all tribes don’t play by those sane honesty rules. Tribes who don’t snitch will win. Those that do will lose. Country is dead.
0 likes@Matthew McGowan lol CHILD?!? Ha!
0 likesShe looks like a Minecraft character
0 likes@Scott Alderson I'm sorry but where did you hear that she killed herself in 2019? I'm trying to look for information and I don't seen anything
1 likeWhat a vile woman, she will rot in hell with her integrity
0 likes@bravo1IsixI lmao sure tough guy
1 likebless her sweet little heart
0 likes@Mary Stevens he shot at a car with a bunch of kids who were scared and trying to run away over some damn music. He is no hero, and it obviously wasn't in self defense. It would be fine and understandable of it was, but it clearly wasn't.
1 like@Trenton Duke wtf? She was innocent in all of this. If I believed in heaven/hell, she'd definitely go to heaven
0 likesYes, shérif is honest. But ist is sac, That we all expect her to lie. It should be normal to Stau honest and Talk truth.
0 likes@bravo1IsixI - Uh, she and Mike didn't know a person was dead until the next morning. Did you miss that entire part?
0 likesPoor soul
0 likes@Camvin lucky it was only fiance I mean can't make a spouse testify against thier spouse.
0 likes@FolkPunk MusicJunkie is that a fact or just assumption? Idk really asking
0 likes@Akbar Shabazz-Jenkins trey von martin and this case are apples and zucchinis they are not analogous in any way than the shooters were both looking to shoot someone. We don't know that the prejudice was against black kids he could have just as easily done the same to white kids that acted behaved and presented the same way. It could have been racially motivated but we can't know and the fact is regardless its a fucking tragedy. Is it any more or less tragic if the murdered child is a specific race?
0 likes@Randy Lin thank you 🙏
0 likes@Matt Dettling 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
0 likes@landrec2 this is not society's fault
0 likes@bravo1IsixI omg Ur so badass 🤣🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪
0 likes@bravo1IsixI In the case of murder, it is not wrong to "snitch " Her testimony is so important for the victim and his family. And the most compelling reason to come forward in a case like this is to prevent this violent racist from killing again.
0 likes@bravo1IsixI I don't what your point is. This poor woman was no doubt terrified of her fiance. She had nothing to do with the killing. Why should she keep quiet?
0 likes@Nurmi Koil If you think this woman was a coward and a snitch I think you must be a criminal. I'm right, aren't I?
1 like@Madison What is your point? She was not complicit in this murder on any sense. And you have no way of knowing if she realized he was racist or not.
1 likeRespect to her.
1 likeShe’s a good person
1 likei hope she finds a new fiance, the way she responds to him and just agrees with everything he says tells me hes abusive and violent
0 likesStill sus that she knew him for 4yrs and did have a problem with him being super racist until he did something about it. She seems like a nice lady tho...
0 likes@bravo1IsixI my guy telling the truth and being a decent human is a lot different from snitching.
2 likesPsychopaths often choose partners who are particularly good and empathetic people
1 like@Blkeclipse L true
1 likeI hope she is dating a black guy that loves rap music and she sends him photos of them every holiday.
2 likesYou think she didn’t hold those racist views too, really 🤦🏾♂️ They are both married, they have things in common. This isn’t his first racist incident.
2 likesshe did the bare minimum
3 likes@comrade shmurda possibly during the trial, ya I agree, she whimpered through it, but if u watch her statements to the detectives she pretty much kills Dunn's bullshit story, his version that is.
2 likes@bravo1IsixI be a dear and grow up. He killed because he was being childish about loud music, and thinks he’s justified.
2 likes@Nurmi Koil do yourself a solid: next time you have a thought, let it go.
1 like@Scott Alderson that’s tragic. Poor lady.
0 likes@Scott Alderson Really? .-.
0 likesShe was so scared up there. Her hand was trembling while she was being sworn in. Poor lady
2 likes@Greg Black some people are just so charming that lonely people or people who already have trauma ignore or miss the red flags.
0 likesShe not doing it because it's the right thing to do, she's only doing it because she'll be arrested if she doesn't. That doesn't make her a good person. A good person would have called the police. A good person wouldn't be calling him behind bars cooing at him and stroking his ego.
0 likes@Anastacia Marchesini Some people are just truthful in nature.
0 likesI wouldn't bring abuse into this as there really isn't anything to point at it, it hasn't really slipped into my mind for one.
@Anastacia Marchesini Some people are talking about him abusing his ex-wives
0 likesIdk haven't watched the full video yet, idk idk
She seems like a wonderful woman. I admire her honesty 💖💕
0 likesI've seen this video a few times now and came here to say this. Poor old girl just wanted a husband to call her own. She seems so sweet and empathetic, yet stoic enough to push through her own pain to tell the truth. She won't lie for him no matter how much she loves him.
1 like@bravo1IsixI Everyone just ignore this clown. I do agree that the boy deserves the most sympathy out of all this. As for the fiancee, well we dont really know her thought process during this entire ordeal. Remember that emotions can cloud one's judgment and perception of a situation. As for you Bravo, you are not a tough one pal. You could have clarified people if you were misunderstood but you had to act all macho.
1 like@Some Body EXACTLY my thoughts.
0 likesSame.
0 likesShe's a ditz. She the kind of person who is entirely open to the interpretation of stronger personalities around her. She was clearly manipulated.
0 likesI guess that's Dunn's fault for marrying such a weak person.
@Yorkshire_Tea_innit daaaamn hahahaha. Got her.
0 likes@bonkerz huntsdemons I'm not trying to hurt her, she seems like a perfectly nice person in a more mundane setting where she isnt charged with such a heavy responsibility. It's just intellectually dishonest to praise someone for moral bravery when there are a multiple more likely explanations, especially given that she is so clearly a very loose, agreeable, malleable type of person. Afterall, if Dunn was so bad why was she even marrying him?
0 likes@Yorkshire_Tea_innit aye you right. No question bout that I jus can't believe they're from oregon we ain't like that here. And she knew the type of dude he was fasho. Its sad what this society is coming too yo.
0 likes@PBMS123 Absolutely what I was going to type.
0 likesLet’s not forget she said “let’s go home” rather than questioning wtf was going on
0 likes@Nurmi Koil I cant imagine a worse take
0 likesGood human being
1 likeRhonda didn't call the cops for an entire day after her man shot someone. Y'all saying she's a good person for that have very low standards
0 likes@Nurmi Koil Bruh, how about because it's the right thing to do? She told the truth.
1 likeI feel bad for her. May good things come to her and find peace.
0 likesI feel really bad for her too. Even though she made terrible decisions, you could see her struggle and she ultimately did the right thing. Keep in mind also - and I’m not sure if anyone else has mentioned this - that it was her idea to stop at the station to buy wine. In her mind, and doubtless many others, it could be assumed that if it were not for that decision then this tragedy would never have occurred…
1 like@N. Johnson you can probably go
0 likes@bravo1IsixI being a snitch is never wrong.
0 likes@Matthew McGowan loads of people lie under oath. I'm not even sure why swearing under oath is even a thing.
0 likesLiterally what I just wrote before I even saw this comment, I do hope she’s okay bless her heart x
0 likes@bravo1IsixI it’s not snitching are you normal? Think about how HARD it would be to testify against the man you loved and you don’t want to believe he’s done something so wrotten! She’s suffering cos the man she loved in a murderer! Your mean just saying
2 likesSo very true! And agreed.
0 likes@Blkeclipse L You act like we also don't care for the victims family or the victim himself..she was clearly distraught and it seemed like there was at least some sort of abuse going on, so she very well could also be a victim.
1 like@Jay M she's in COURT for a MURDER.
1 like@bravo1IsixI honestly your thoughts towards this are disgusting, heartless and void of any human understanding. I hope you find the happiness you’re clearly lacking
2 likes@Timtam Casper dude. I’m super happy that a joke I made well over a year ago is still hurting people’s feelings so bad. I have truly found my bliss.
0 likes@Alexandra as w
0 likesIts so rare. Where Im from people sweep it under the rug and it manifests in ugly ways. She saved her own life and even maybe her soul.
0 likes@bravo1IsixI I mean they got there the next day- I think she’d have called in.
1 like@N. Johnson av ggrf
0 likesPoor woman is so torn by it. She doesn't want to turn on the man she loves but knows he was in the wrong and doesn't want to be a part of the murder of anyone. Shes a victim as well.
0 likes@bravo1IsixI I don't think its about snitching to her it's more like she doesn't want to be a betrayer to him the man she loves.
0 likesI felt this exact way. I was thinking, if it hadn't been this kid, she probably would have died by his hands in the long run. He seems like a horrible narcissist and/or psychopath, that had already beaten down Rhonda. She seems so scared through it all, she probably knew that she just had to go along with him until he got arrested because she had seen his violent and evil side many times before. The phone call shows to me that she was even scared of him after his arrest. Poor woman, and poor kids. It seems he likes to prey on all minorities.
0 likes@bravo1IsixI True, but maybe you overlook the fact that she was probably scared of him.
0 likes@bravo1IsixI this was 2 funny jJajaja
0 likesShe is so meek and obedient to her intended. I hate to think about what might have happened to her to make her that way.
0 likesIt would be so hard to spend that night at a hotel with a killer
1 likeShe was the bravest woman in the entire world, but her to sit in that courtroom, in front of her prejudice ass husband, and tell the entire truth, all I can say is wow, and thank you so very much 🙏❣️💐🌷🌷🌷🌷🌷🌷🌷🌷🌷🌷🌷🌷
0 likes@Anastacia Marchesini Lmao, this has NOTHING to do with "abusive history", why do women always have to escalate shit to the moon...
0 likes@bravo1IsixI don’t you think defending a murderer falsely in court is wrong too?
1 likeI feel horrible for her. You can hear the pain in her voice as she has to confront her narcissistic POS fiancé in court. I hope she is doing better now
0 likesShe's great.
0 likesHe pulled the trigger, he made a conscious decision to pull the gun in the first place.
He's not only a murderer but also a terrible liar.
@bravo1IsixI keep coping buddy
2 likesGuys, this just shows why you don't get married. She'll throw you under the bus. And then a bunch of women on youtube will agree with her.
0 likesShe dodged a bullet herself. An easy out from this abusive relationship. Shes not strong enough to leave on her own.
0 likes@Scott Alderson no
0 likes@bravo1IsixI This comment is why we have racial issues.
1 likeShe likes the drink.
0 likes@Scott Alderson I couldn't find anything to substantiate that claim. Are you able to provide a link? I'm not saying that it didn't happen, just that I searched and personally couldn't find anything regarding this.
1 like@bravo1IsixI Your attitude of "snitching" is dangerous. It's clear you prioritise your relationship with other people over basic morality and "doing the right thing", even if it means turning your back on people who you care about who do evil things. That makes you vulnerable to manipulation and getting used by monsters like this man. It's not something to be proud of. It's dumb, brainless loyalty.
1 likeShe’s an absolute hero
0 likes@bravo1IsixI Telling the truth is wrong. 🤔
1 likeShe's singing like a bird, against the man she loves - and you're praising her for it!
0 likes@Luey Sixty-six damn straight.
1 likeShe looks and sounds so much like a sweetheart. Her sense of justice overcame her love for this monster. What a heroine.
0 likes@christine robinson That's a very easy position to take when you're not the one in that situation. There's so many countless factors that play into why you wouldn't immediately call the police on your fiancé: In this case primarily the fact that you're engaged and if you're wrong about this you just permanently stained your relationship with said fiancé.
0 likesDoing the right thing is commendable, no matter how long it takes.
yeah, but her voice is really annoying, while i do understand her situation
0 likes@bravo1IsixI troll much? 🤡🤡
1 like@bravo1IsixI ....y'all kids literally don't know what snitching is
1 likeRhonda was a liar. Her emotions were all over the place.
0 likes@Sarah G what are you talking about? She already told the truth in her first interview.
0 likes@with goddess just because you sucked up and always pushed it down doesn't mean everyone is so detrained when it come to crying.
0 likesI can't tell if it's fake or not but I'm being honest about that. But I'll gladly listen to your explaintion if it actually involves knowledge about how to read body language and emotions and not your gut feeling based on your experience. Otherwise your guess is as good as mine. The reason why I think it isn't is because I've seen it by other people and there was no reason why she should fake cry. The things she says are already enough but you seem to still find and excuse to make your claims.
Listen I get that when you aren't used to knowing such emotional people that it obviously looks fake. The reason I get that is because I felt like that until I got to know more people who were more sensitive. When they cried because of actual awful thing's that happened it was similar to that. I was overwhelmed and didn't know what to do. I was looking around for cameras or expected a joke but the truth is they again had no reasons to fake cry, they didn't gain anything (I already was there for them if anything I got more uncomfortable which made them apologize) and I just wasn't use to it.
You have to get to know more people man.
@Blkeclipse L So let me get this straight... a young man was murdered, a witness, his wife, didn't see the result of the shootings, was lied to by her husband, was in a relationship with that murder who is also known for his abuse but still witnessed against him, knowing she'll also risk her own safety and got this murderer in jail, actively helping the traumatized friends and the family of the dead kid through that and all you claim is that just because some people called this part brave means they direct non of their sympathy towards the greatest victims when they are thousands of comments in this comment section who do just that?
0 likesDude just because you happen to find a nishe part of an analysis of a murder trail people talk about doesn't mean no one is paying sympathy towards that killed child's friend's and family.
In any case I do hope they are ok now and that murderer stays in jail away form the people he harmed. I wish they wouldn't have to go through this and that friend who backed away is a hero and probably saved the rest of his friends from that psycho. I hope he doesn't experience surviver guilt because he couldn't save his friend because nothing of that is his fault but that murders.
@Dom Powell I would hope my wife would testify against me as long as it's the truth if she knew I murdered someone.
0 likesIdk what would ever push me so far but the people of the person I'd murdered deserve peace and justice and whatever my sick mind would think of to excuse an murder (not self defense) I'd like to be out away because of it and she'd be helping. Yeah it probably feels bitter as much as it feels wrong that you killed a god damn person but those feelings shouldn't be an excuse for wishing to prevent someone from doing the right thing for the people who matter and need that information.
@Jakub Krąkowski "sometimes lying is better than the truth." and that's not the case here.
0 likes@Tech Girl Tiff we actually know that he is racist based on the letters he wrote from jail in which he wrote a lot of racist stuff and if it wasn't racism it was at least racist bios.
0 likes@Szczypior the statements of the neighbors and the divorce of two of his ex wife's who said he was abusive hint at it pretty big.
1 likeI hope that information helps you out but yeah if you don't know that it's just an assumption that he was abusive.
@Ralf Ramirez the things he writes and the likes he gets make me concerned. I hope he's been watched for he hurts someone himself...
0 likes@That Kiwi Guy she also said he should go to the sheriff. Idk why she said "let's go home."but my guess was that she thought they'll probably look for them at their home and they should be there instead of appearing to be fleeing and going to the police that they know.
0 likesI know it's obviously better to directly go to the police but I guess that was the first thought she had when she realized what her spouse did and it was a suggestion that would more likely not cause him to get angry.
@Grace T. and you completely ignore that she didn't know someone was shot until the next day.
0 likes@Satou Hikou she didn't lie tho. What she said fit the evidence and what the other witnesses said.
0 likesJust because someones emotion's are all over the place doesn't mean someone lies. If you want to learn hot to read and interprete someone's emotions you'll definitely have to practice a lot more!
@Luey Sixty-six Hell yes. She is putting her feeling to the side to get a dangerous person who killed an innocent teen and gets justice for his family.
0 likesShe did everything right. The more concerning question is why you seem to have a problem with her obviously right decision. So obviously right that many have already rightfully pointed out that's a bare minimal everyone should have done in that situation.
@Kino Cartoon Now you're lying. Why?
0 likes@Satou Hikou the better question is why you think I'm lying. But did she say what was wrong and how did you know it was wrong is also a question that needs to be answered.
0 likes@Kino Cartoon She made the claim. That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. "Eyewitness" testimony is nothing more than hearsay.
0 likes@Kino Cartoon who is bravo lol
0 likes@Jazza BigHits his comment is pretty high up in case you wonder. I hope that helps to find it.
0 likes@mychannel302 Rhonda was inside the store when the shooting took place. Dunn told her that the black men from the SUV had threatened to kill him so he shot at them before they could kill him. She was already in the car before Dunn had said anything about the shooting. This woman already had severe anxiety before this shooting & murder take place.
0 likesLet's be realistic, Dunn was a very large & violent man and her worst fears came true when he killed an innocent black man over some trash-talking and a car-stereo playing loud rap music. What if Dunn heard her call the police from the motel and became enraged with anger & killed her?? Dunn was a ticking time-bomb! There is no room for error when dealing with a psychopath who has no regard for life and is more concerned about a little dog than a harmless young blackman. We used to trash-talk to each-other in the D-st.Projects, South Boston during the 70's and the only person that would kill somebody over that, was Whitey Bulger.
Peace for rhonda
0 likes@bravo1IsixI no "snitching" is the right thing to do almost always lol
0 likestypical millennial alleviating all guilt because it's a woman who knows anything about this woman?
0 likes@Blkeclipse L sounds about white
0 likes@Randy Lin racism requires a balance of power - financial, political, social, religious - that black people currently don't have in the world. So umm NOT racist
0 likesI completely disagree. She knew EXACTLY who he was, and was happy to aid and abet him before he got caught. He even left her alone for several hours after they got home, and yet she still didn't call the police.
1 likeAlso, she was legally obligated to testify, they weren't married, so spousal privilege doesn't apply. Same applies to the interrogation. You don't get brownie points for doing the bare minimum of basic human decency, especially if it's done only after you've exhausted every other option.
She was raised right, but I feel more pain for Jordan's family
0 likesRhonda is going straight to heaven
0 likesAnd he has no emotion… this man is a psychopath. The only time he starts crying is when talking about his fiancé.
0 likes@Anastacia Marchesini I agree about the probability of abusive behavior in his past toward her.
0 likesI believe she was afraid of him and was only pacifying him until he's guilty verdict just in case he got set free.
@bravo1IsixI when it comes to the safety of children, there is no such thing as being a snitch. There's protecting children, or not protecting children. Even those living the code would testify in open court. So stop acting like you know anything and go back to blippi videos.
0 likes@Some Body the way she responds to him in that phone call is very telling to me at least that shes been abused or mistreated by him
0 likes@zz3OPEN lmfao the police called her for questioning the SAME DAY when she got home after she heard it on the news.
0 likes@bravo1IsixI OMG well played kind Sir... well played.....
0 likesShe lucked out tho cause this tragedy saved her from marriage to a monster
0 likes@bravo1IsixI LOL, are you part of the mob? Snitching has become such a meaningless word, it's incredibly situational. If your brother smoked weed and didn't want your parents to know. Telling them is Snitching yeah.
0 likesIf your Best friend killed two people in cold blood, telling the police is the right thing to do.
@bravo1IsixI "Snitch"?? Seriously? He shot someone in cold blood, not helped himself to a bar of candy..
0 likes@bravo1IsixI lol
0 likesThis hella made me laugh
@bravo1IsixI my exact thoughts
0 likesFunny how humanity comes out when they can charge one with a crime…
0 likes@Matthew McGowan nothing honourable in bigoted racist comment so don’t talk about things you know nothing about mr bigmouth
0 likesMore like she'd go to jail for perjury. She believed what Mike said which is why she gave such an honest interview. If she went back on what she said she would be in trouble too.
0 likes@Pax00Imperium She wasn't there when it happened. She asked what happened. Mike said he shot at the car and hit no-one. You are not going to call the police for that. That would be snitching. If she knew he actually shot that guy, it's different.
0 likesBs. She put on an act. She should be held accountable for it calling police. She witnessed a murder and stayed quiet. She got her own attorney because would be on deep shit. She wasn’t upset at all during interrogation. I don’t by her little act for a second.
0 likes@bravo1IsixI -Someone who has clearly never been in an abusive relationship
0 likesHoly crap that's a lot of likes for a comment.
0 likeshumanity!!!!!???? she dated him for 4 years, she knew he was racist
0 likesrespect to those kids. idk how they were able to be so calm talking about the murder of their friend
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sadly, many black people especially dudes have a nihilistic approach to these cases because of how often it happens... its honestly sad. I wish the world was better.
93 likesI would assume it's because it's their duty as friends to be strong for the one that can't speak for himself
42 likesapparently the areas dangerous, so theyre probably used to it.
4 likes@xBelial exactly
1 like@xBelial no that’s not it
0 likes@Lightly Lemony That area is not dangerous at all.
7 likes@jaudice They are not kids, they are teenagers at the end of the spectrum 1-2 years from being adults. Had their disrespect for their elder not been at the level it was none of this would have happened. I bet they never would have spoken to a Black elder in that fashion. Racism played a role in this crime on both sides and neither admitted to it. Bad behavior with all. No, I am not making any excuses for Dunn, he was more than old enough to know and act better. He is a punk and deserves prison for taking a life over BS.
3 likesCause they tryna hit that ghetto lottery
2 likes@Mark9898 dunn stated imidiately after pulling up that "he hated THUG music"- i believe he was a big racist and decided to have an unhealthy argument with these kids, make them uncomfortable for listening to their music. now, listening to music loudly is disrespectful but can be tolarated. these kids were 17-18 at the time and who knows what his demenaor was while asking them to lower the volume. they may have been angry for his behaviour and decided to keep listening to music. this is not about their disrespect. a black man would NOT get THIS angry over a music.
24 likes@Pınar Şahin I agree with some of what you wrote but the points I do not are:
1 likeThey were not kids, they were disrespectful, foul mouth teenagers near adulthood treating a person not of their ethnicity in a fashion I doubt they would have replicated had they been surrounded by people of their ethnicity. I think all were acting in a racial manner.
It's absurd to claim no person of their ethnicity would have requested and\or told them to lower their music.
In regards to "thug" music yes, it has racial overtones however thugs come in all ethnicities and nationalities so who knows.
He did not request they lower the column, he said told them. Demanding is impolite and not advisable with people already disrespecting everybody within earshot.
Noted: you disregard their foul language with their elder who happens not to be their ethnicity.
Let's face it: none of them acted well, all were seeking a confrontation, and they all got it.
@Mark9898 he’s white how is he their elder? Mark😴
6 likes@Jasmine Simpson Seriously?
2 likesAge has nothing to do with ethnicity.
Familiar with "apples & oranges" and logic?
@Mark9898 I don't understand how they (teenagers) were seeking a confrontation? They were enjoying their music before Dunn even pulled up and to say they would not have refused to turn their music down for an elder of their own ethnicity is a very big assumption you have made. It is not uncommon for teenagers to be rude to pretty much everyone, doesn't warrant this kind of response. Dunn's actions are completely unjustifiable.
10 likes@Connor B93 "I don't understand how they (teenagers) were seeking a confrontation? " Blaring music in a store parking lot adjacent to other cars is obnoxious. The expectation that people that don't like to be treated obnoxiously to confront them is reasonable.
1 like"to say they would not have refused to turn their music down for an elder of their own ethnicity is a very big assumption you have made." Agreed, and I stand by it 100%.
"It is not uncommon for teenagers to be rude to pretty much everyone" Not true.
"doesn't warrant this kind of response. " Nor did I claim it did.
"Dunn's actions are completely unjustifiable." Agreed.
As are the teenagers.
Proof again, "you reap what you sow".
@Mark9898 See you said you didn’t claim their actions warranted this kind of response, but then you went on to say the teenagers “reap what they sow.” Slight contradiction there.
10 likes@Connor B93 Not at all. Dunn is guilty of murder. The teenagers are guilty of being rude, foul mouthed, arrogant, disrespectful punks that led directly to the death of their friend.
1 likeBeing a jerk has consequences that may not result in criminal prosecution & prison.
None of them acted well.
Hopefully, the punks learned some lessons.
Hopefully Dunn never breathes free air again.
Its been some time after that happened.
0 likesRespect your elders.
0 likes@Clare Owens I think don’t shoot people is a more important takeaway.
6 likesProbably used to the murder from seeing their Fathers/Uncles/Brothers committing the same type of crime 🤷♂️
0 likes@Mark9898 Anything to not recognize a hate crime as a hate crime.
8 likesY’all are vile.
@Mark9898 If you are an example of how “elders” act and think, elders shouldN’s be treated with respect, only disdain for how spiteful, vindictive, and ironically childish they are.
4 likesThankfully not everyone older than me is as bloodthirsty as you.
@Clare Owens Worship your elders is the actual sentiment here. A person like this deserves no respect nor sympathy, yet he still gets it from people such as yourself.
1 like@Mark9898 being foul mouthed and arrogant doesn’t imply a death sentence, are you kidding me?
1 likeWhen you really want justice, you'll be patient.
0 likesWhat kills me is the fact this man spends his evening at an upscale BnB, walks his dog, enjoys some pizza and then sleeps a whole night with his fiancée while the family of that boy probably sat in silence, devastated by the loss of their son/brother/ cousin, whatever, over some music. When any person dies, particularly a young person, whose parents outlive them, there's just such a gaping hole left behind. He didn't die to cancer or in a car accident, he was murdered by a pathetic excuse for a man who then had the audacity to play himself up as the victim. He sympathises more for himself than he does for the 17-year-old boy whose life he robbed or the family who have to spend the rest of their lives with that empty space. Truly, he cannot rot in prison long enough.
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Amen
3 likesMichael Dunn, is a typical narcissist.
5 likesYes this exactly
0 likesHis mind isn't even capable of getting to this point of empathy and I'm not sure if that's more sad ?
2 likesYou can tell Rhonda blames herself for wanting to get wine on the way back to their hotel and feels she's the one at fault for all this. But she's not the one who pulled the trigger. Michael created the situation, not her. I hope she forgives herself one day.
27 likesI think this guy really thought that he could just say he feared for his life, and they"d just let him go. He emptied a clip into a car full of innocent people, killed one, and genuinely seems surprised it didn't work.
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"I don't understand it worked for george zimmerman" Michael probably
57 likes‘They were ducking so they didn’t get hit by the return fire’
36 likesThis sentence is too much!
Ducking while retreating means they’re not firing ..wtf return fire
They were KIDS teenagers in high school!
19 likesHe thought he could talk his way out . No buddy . Life for you
11 likesWell this was a couple years after the Trayvon Martin trial where Zimmerman was acquitted in the exact same state. I’m pretty sure he thought he could use the stand your ground law as well. Glad he can rot now. Threw his whole life away because of loud music at a damn convenient store parking lot.
9 likesIf he was a cop it would of worked
14 likes@I’m machine facts
5 likesWell it happens all the time so I’m not surprised at all he thought he could do that
1 like@Phil Lower True. But this is so outrageously blatant. Its like the guy isn't even trying to deny any allegations. I know, it happens all the time. But this one was on camera,. Uploaded on YouTube, and linked in my "recommended". So that's what I'm commenting on.
2 likes@christian If those guys had beat him off the cement he likely would have been legally justified.
2 likesit's made clear during the interview he attempted in futility to reason that a barrel was poking out the car or a "stick"
0 likesit's only after that was shot down due to not even a your gun or water gun being found in the car that he had to rely on the "I feared for my life" argument
@Kuro True true. I wasn't being detailed when explaining, but I don't really think I needed to be. Its pretty clear I was commenting on his general attitude.
0 likesAnd I agree, his story was ridiculous. I just wasn't necessarily referring to that part specifically.
poor Rhonda was shaking like a leaf the entire time she was on the stand, and you can tell she feels so guilty about what happened and how she thinks this is her fault because she wanted a bottle of wine. She's truly a good person and I wish i could give her a hug.
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i wonder why was she blurred when in the interrogation room... im glad she was honest though forsure, she's a good lady
73 likesA thug hug?
6 likes@Goin GOLD I'd assume she didn't want her face shown since they record these for records and such
58 likesOr some wine.
3 likesThat’s a true innocent person on the stand and how someone should act when confronted with this situation. Michael is a prime example of a guilty narcissist who can’t comprehend personal responsibility enough to show remorse for their actions
74 likesRip to the young man who lost he’s life and his grieving family. That bitch sat there many nights with him sharing their racist views together.
30 likes@Bash 916 how can you judge someone by 3 minutes of collective footage? This definitely seems like a racially motivated killing but you can't blame the fiance for the guys actions. The mere fact that she didn't help him by confirming his lies about the gun mention shows you she is an honest person
115 likes@Thanasis Zelos dont argue with them, those people probably come from twitter
40 likesSilence is violence she at sat home with him knowing he was a violent racist that’s not something a good person would do I hope she loses her medical license. when you become a nurse you swear on oath to protect those in harm and she failed to do that
10 likes@sksk She probably always told herself that "Oh it's not that bad, he's actually a good guy". Aka lying to herself, hiding from a hard to swallow truth
55 likesMultiple times in the video you can hear Mike say something like "love of my life" or telling her he loves her etc. It's incredibly difficult seeing someone's true self if you feel loved and appreciated
So I don't think she was silent just very passive and ignorant. From what I saw she seems to never share any of his beliefs and she very obviously is disturbed and traumatised by what he's done. She explains the situation as unbiased as possible
She even seems to be putting the guilt on herself for wanting to buy a bottle of wine. She cannot handle the idea that the man she wants to spend the rest of her life with is a disgusting horrible monster
I can understand that you and others would consider her a guilty member for not speaking up, though I disagree with that statement
BUT I believe you are completely and utterly wrong for saying she should get her license taken away "cuz she wasn't a good person"
Every day she was a good person. The problem is she showed that kindness to a horrible racist rather than someone worthy. Yet she thought he was
She probably sees now how wrong she was about him and that must be completely destroying her
Don't let yourself get distracted, concentrate on the disgusting creature whose fault it really is
@sksk bingo, so caught up in their ignorance they can’t see it
3 likes@sksk What is funny is these same sorts of people that rationalize the fact that a "good person" would socialize and even maintain several year old relationships with open white supremist are the first ones to demonize anyone who does not automatically denounce and/or is associated with preachers like Farrakhan and hardline second amendment civil rights groups or any individual who is a pro black who rejects the 1950s pacifism and civility politics.
4 likesAmericans are full of it. They are comfortable with bigotry, just different degrees. They are only truly disturbed by it once someone does a horrible murder. They are not disturbed by hate just death. To compare african american boys to animals is just a "opinion" to them.
It's very telling when everyone has several white friends who each have certain family members you can't be around because they are racist, it is pathetic. There is a serious cultural issue with accepting white supremist in social circles instead of outright shunning them and making them feel unsafe in a society that is supposed to be civilized and decent.
It was an act. Rhonda just wanted lil Charlie all to herself.
2 likes@_GGG_ yeah she seems very passive...st the very least. Abusers like him look for people like her to prey on.
15 likes@Share it happens man. Humans are like that. I don't know shit about this case but the guy doesn't appear to be a neonazi type. He's your everyd6, average racist...maybe a little more vocal. Lots of us has family like that and we love or at least tolerate them. If he's an put and out white supremacist, participates on marches etc then you'd have a point. But he didn't seem to be and maybe his views only came out occasionally. And she prob wrote them off bc she was on love with him. That's what happens with a lot of red flags unfortunately.
10 likesI'm sure Fritzl's wife was nice as well who didn't realise he'd constructed a dungeon and had imprisoned his daughter for over twenty years!
1 likeshe's a good person if she tries her best to that murderer sent to prison for life
0 likes@James T ahhhh thanks 😊 for thinking about me 😘
0 likes@Sean Damon II twitter is literally just basic social media lmao, its where half of all other social media platforms get its content, especially instagram lmao
1 like@Zerzavy I'm not talking about the platform or the people behind it, I'm talking about the people that use it. Seriously, it's amazing how bad of a time you can have by just browsing twitter for an hour. It sucks, because a lot of the people that use it suck
2 likes@Sean Damon II how can u talk about the people and not the platform itself when the platform is formed by the people that use it lol…
1 like@Zerzavy I mean the people that own the actual platform. Not those who have it installed on their phone, the people that made it. I don't have a problem with them
1 like@Sean Damon II oh, well no one on twitter really likes them either lmao
2 likesYou are exactly the reason covid will always be around
0 likesGuys, this just shows why you don't get married. She'll throw you under the bus. And then a bunch of women on youtube will agree with her.
0 likesPoor Ronda poor Ronda blah blah blah why are all the comments like this I’ve seen one or two talking about the child that died
1 likeWhite women tears are worth more than a black child’s life
Shaking due to a shortage of wine in her system, one might wager.
1 likeYea I to feel so bad for her!
0 likesI completely get it, I always confuse shotguns with sticks... I get traumatized every time I go for a walk in the woods because I'm constantly wondering if the trees are about to blow me away..
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Exactly! Michael Dunn is innocent!
11 likesMe too brother. I went to the timber yard a few weeks ago, I looked to my wife and said “what’s with all the shotguns everywhere, are you sure we’re at the right place?”
25 likesSilly me, they were just 2 by 4’s.
Right. I always wondered how he went from it being the barrel of a shotgun to a stick. Those are 2 completely different things. The fact that they didn’t find anything in the car that could even resemble a shotgun let’s you know that this guy just made it up cause he thought it would help get him off. He honestly believed that if he just said I thought I saw a gun that that would somehow make it ok to kill someone. This guy deserves every day he spends in prison
10 likesLmfffaooooo
2 likes@Blinkysaurus Rex lmffffffaoooooo
2 likesThat's gold. 🤣🤣
1 like😆😆😆
1 likeImagine killing a literal child for no reason, then having the absolute nerve to call him and his friends thugs.
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I like his attitude
8 likesA child? A 17 year old is a adolescent, and a 17 year old male is probably the most aggressive and dangerous a person could possibly be.
23 likesNot to excuse his gross overreaction, but calling them "children" is a little too ridiculous.
They arent children, and they look like grown men too.
@Carl Panzram He's not a legal adult. What would you call someone that isn't an adult? I'd call them a child.
82 likes@Kaia Carter yeah well our legal system Is flawed what a shocker.
4 likes“Child” lol
11 likesThug junior!!
6 likes@Carl Panzram Smh
4 likesTeenager. Not child but he was wrong off the rip and wanted to express his racism to the fullest extent
15 likes@swingshift yeah 17 with nothing but a truancy at high school. Neither of his friends in the vehicle. Maybe you missed that part of the interrogation huh? jackazz!
11 likes@MsLady V that's it ya tool !!
0 likesThey were, I guess it's ok to ignore that fact because.. we'll because you want to
1 like@MsLady V you're right, you must of been watching something else!
0 likes@Carl Panzram hey Carl, what are your views on the age of consent?
16 likes@Carl Panzram What part of the legal age of majority is flawed in your opinion?
5 likes@swingshift you wouldn’t be calling these kids thugs if they were white. I can almost guarantee that.
22 likes@Nero yeah, whatever you say.
0 likes@Carl Panzram if this is your way of justifying you sleeping with minors I’ll pray for yoy
6 likes@Carl Panzram Dude. No matter what country. 17yo is a kid. You cant call yourself an adult before you turn at least 24. And if someone get offended about it that means they are not there yet and when they turn like 25yo, they whill think that when they were even 23 or what ever, they were still just a child. Legal system may judge you as an adult but your brain is not finished before you turn 24, and it will show if you have any self understanding
3 likes@Kaia Carter no, you wouldn’t just call them a child... 17 is young but child would be like 10 or younger. Teenagers aren’t children, they’re teens and adolescents.
1 like@swingshift chill.. your racism is showing
2 likesHe may have been completely in the wrong for what he did, but calling them thugs is pretty fair
0 likes@Carl Panzram Well EVIDENTLY 17 isn’t the “most aggressive and dangerous someone could “probably” be”.
3 likesWho was killed here again?
@Stephen Misener Right, no, totally. The “thugs” were the ones with no murderous intent.
1 like@Carl Panzram Yes I, a 17 year old male who only plays star wars the old republic and likes staring at the clouds am the most aggressive and dangerous a person could possibly be.
1 like@Carl Panzram you know what’s more aggressive than a 17 year old who can’t legally own a gun let alone hasn’t even reached their adult height or mindset, a grown man who’s lived his whole life as a narssacist in possession of weapon who thinks is entitled to everything. That person is truly the most dangerous the one with a gun demanding something they want, so take a step back Carl and look at what you just said.
0 likes@Carl Panzram your username is literally carl panzram
0 likesthey were thugs. no more no less
0 likes@Timewind this guy is actually defending the murderer lol
0 likes17 years, 364 days, 23 hours, 59 minutes, 59 seconds: child
0 likesliterally one second after: ADULT
Imagine being this dense...
@MrFujinko so he killed an almost adult for playing music, that doesnt make him any better lol
0 likes@Azu i agree with you.
0 likesYes. Usually when I think someone in the car next to me said "kill him", I roll down my window and make sure I heard him correctly.
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😂😂 now thats safe I guess
15 likesLol. His story was so lame. Just so bad and he had 22 hours to think of his story. Narcissist
41 likesHow both officers remained under control when he said "..well hopefully it was the guy I hit..." Was really impressive. That was awful
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time stamp?
4 likes@Drew Ramstetter 24:53
7 likesBig props to the driver, Tommie Stornes, for reacting so quickly. Not only did he manage to J-turn while under gunfire. He also drove back around to the scene, which is important, because the witnesses and other people there could help them, call 911 for medical help, and give a full report to law enforcement. His quick thinking and bravery likely saved the rest of them from being injured or killed. He managed all this while his friend, Jordan Davis, was shot and bleeding to death. The injustice of his murder will be remembered. Rest in peace Jordan Davis.
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Actual 5 head moves from that dude. Big respect
697 likesYes agree Tommy Storns kept his head and saved the rest of them they were ambushed pure and simple
746 likesim so impressed with him, hes smart as hell, my dumb ass would have done some dumb shit
822 likeshonestly never thought about it that way, he’s a goddamn hero 👏👏👏
288 likesHe a genius or a warrior acting like that facing death
233 likesExactly. Think about it. Someone is unloading a clip at you - I think most people would've froze or cowered even for a few seconds. Perhaps even get out of the car and bolt or use it as a shield.
578 likesThis kid manages to put the car in reverse while under fire - then put it in forward gear and get the hell out of there. He saved lives that night.
I honestly dont know how I wouldve reacted especially as an inexperienced teenaged driver. I probably wouldve forgotten where the damn shift was located.
Definitely.. thank god he thought quickly .. or more of them may have been killed x
112 likes@mlc rip Thats true, as tragic as it is to consider. I added that to my comment.
39 likesYep amazing presence of mind to do that under fire when 17. Saved lives, and still has to live with the horrors of watching a friend bleed to death over 40 seconds. Jesus christ this man disgusts me.
271 likes@I. Wynn Wynn The hell are you talking about? He has no history of violence, he's never been in jail. Stop generalizing.
87 likesI. Wynn Wynn move along troll
31 likesMato Matijević ain’t dense he just doesn’t fuck with stereotypes, as he should.
72 likesWhat a fool this Michael Dunn. All the chaos and grief he's caused over a 3 minute long song... Sad.
67 likes@Mc Rou that's alcohol for ya
12 likes@UndergroundRap subscribe Be careful about how willing you are to propogate stereotypes, even if they hold true to yourself. Also from what I know, many Asian countries have laxer driving rules than in the U.S., which is probably why theres a bad driving standard. But I also know Asian immigrants who take the rules very seriously, and I know someone who immigrated here in 2002, bought their first car and had that same car for 15+ years, without so much as a speeding ticket. It all depends on a person's attitude and willingness for the rules.
31 likes@UndergroundRap subscribe Agreed.
0 likesTommie clearly plays GTA V
10 likesHell yeah if he stayed and was caught with a rifle .. there be a hole different story
5 likes@Blkeclipse L not his 1st rodeo I suppose.
4 likesMariyam S it’s so sad that a kid had to do this :(
7 likesI fully agree, full on military/police/paramedic/firefighter material, keeping a cool head in shit like this.
28 likesThat's all I keep thinking about, his poor friend bleeding out in 45 seconds which was so fast but must have also seemed like an eternity.
26 likes@WorldzGone Z Not God, he drove that car that night
6 likesYes, he did everything right. I can only hope that he realizes that, and I hope he doesn't blame himself for what happened.
39 likesYou are right.
2 likesDefinitely the hero of the story..
12 likesWell said.
2 likesRIP Jordan and much respect Tommy.....
26 likesRest In Peace Jordan Davis ❤️
13 likesEspecially as a teenager to have the wherewithal for all of that... incredible. So sad
10 likesPoor little guy who died. What a waste. Guns suck
13 likesJust teenagers out on a Saturday night. This guy wasn't even local . at the beginning he was going to report the incident to his local police. Just passing through kind of homicide
18 likesTwo kids
0 likesReal shit
0 likesindeed . tragic.
1 likeGreat tribute
1 likeHopefully he joined the police force and can make difference in this world.
0 likesIt will be remembered by a few maybe
0 likesVery well said. I'm so glad the wife didn't try to defend him... He killed a child for nothing... Taking 10 seconds before shooting more? He wasnt defending himself. He was hunting young black men.
13 likesWell said, and succinctly put!
3 likesI have nothing to add to your post beyond my agreement.
RIP jordan tommie is a legend
4 likesMay I ask what do you mean by injustice? He got 90 years in prison, he's gonna die behind bars. Seems like justice was served. Just confused by that point
4 likesYes indeed.
1 likei’m so impressed by him i would’ve freaked out and probably would be still in shock
2 likesHe probably knew how to do that because those thugs have been in gunfire before lol
2 likes@Herky these boys have never been “thugs”. they don’t have any track record on them.
17 likes@Reddeddeaded he was arrested on three counts of burglary. Those guys were all thugs.
3 likesa literal hero
1 likeHow come every time a black person gets killed, it's called an 'injustice'? Every murder not in self-defense is an injustice because life is lost, however justice WAS served as this dude got life in jail without the possibility of parole.
3 likes🥺Rest in Peace Jordan Davis🙏🏿
2 likesHe's truly a hero🙏🏿💕!
1 likeIt’s too bad he’s been in prison for 3 years. He’s just a boy.
1 likeB
0 likes@Joshua Smith it's an injustice because the color of their skin changes the outcome.
3 likesI most likely would’ve went to reverse and instead drove straight through the gas station
1 likeVery good
1 like@Herky Which one?
0 likesQuit virtue signaling. Its cringey.
0 likesThey could of ditched the gun
0 likesSelective outrage. Lmfao.
0 likesAmen! So brave and such unnecessary horrible trauma! 🥺
1 likeRespect ✊🏾
1 likeWatched this video a couple times and always check out what’s going on in the comments. This shit right here… I don’t know why it made me so emotional but fucking yes. Every bit of that. I couldn’t even imagine being in that situation but to have that kind of clarity amid so much chaos… I don’t even have words.
1 likeI agree it was the right decision but hero? Really? Just because a person is the victim in a situation doesn't mean you have to glorify them.
0 likes@matt smith ambushed?
0 likes@NathanJames yes ambushed he reached for a gun and started spraying bullets
1 likeWheres the injustice? The dude got life in prison…..
2 likesMad respect dude has to have a medal like wtf if it were me I would curl cry and scream like a baby this dude legit saved lives while under gunfire
2 likes@lexi exactly , same here ! I am definitely sure i make the worst decision in that situation !
1 like@UndergroundRap subscribe lol alcohol doesn't make you want to kill people
0 likes"These fucking thugs, all they know is pull a gun on people on the street for no reason at all other than someone getting close to their ego or their inhumane sensibilities."
0 likes-A well behaved citizen
It was so incredibly satisfying seeing the detectives defend the black young men, and totally demolishing this asshole’s “they’re black and violent” defense. Being black and listening to rap music does not automatically mean we are violent or thugs. I don’t know which is worse, the fact that he thought he was going to weasel his way out of this, or that he thought he would outsmart the detectives with his lies.
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You can totally see the look on he racists face at 36:16 when he hears that the kids werent criminals and had no criminal record. Its like at that moment it just then occurs to him that they were just teenagers being teenagers.
43 likesHes waiting for the cops to say they were criminals and then the cops tell them that none of them have a record and he kinda does a surprised half nod.
So its pretty obvious he saw young black guys playing hip hop loudly and his racist beliefs kicked off and those innocent teens got shot. Nothing else but pure racism - stereotypes about young black guys.
Im so glad the detectives called him on it instead of letting it slide because hes an "upstanding citizen white man being terrified by the scary black male teenagers" as he so desperately tried to portray himself.
Exactly; it doesn't work anymore.
5 likes@child of cascadia It comes down to presentation. Thug life is criminality. When anyone sees any person of any ethnic persuasion present as a thug listening to this stuff, the guard goes up. In Dunn's case it was his only real opportunity to create a narrative after his short fuse ended the rest of his life.
3 likes@DezertFox No it doesn’t come down to presentation, it comes down to your implicit biases.
7 likesHe never made that argument, you inferred that on top without any clear evidence exhibiting exactly the kind of prejudice you accuse him of. Was he in the wrong in the case? Obviously yes and got his due for that justly.
1 likeEveryone of Color that I've met has been very sweet and kind. Loud, but very kind
1 like@Doomhuntress886 Gaming People are people. Whatever frailty one finds in one ethnic group, they'll find all the rest.
1 like@No Name are you dense? yes it is an inference which is based off clear repeated instances where the suspect calls the victims thugs or dangerous.
0 likesThe honesty of Rhonda should absolutely be commended. The levels are basically unheard of in a situation like that.
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She is a very rare bird... ❤
5 likes@Kyle Vernon I'm not saying I'd marry the woman just that the level of honesty is rare af
1 likeWhat Kind of people are you hanging with? ?? Its not only basic human decency , its basic common sense since it would bei idiotic to lie in front of a judge. She does the normal thing and you people are in awe for that. Makes me wonder. Also, she was engaged to that human. She had no problem with his values until it came to this. Most people I know would tell the truth here. For the above mentioned reasons. Get some new friends, have different standards maybe?
3 likes@Bobo Hobo Dude you don't know me so don't even try. I was just talking about in the situation she was married to a most people seem to go with the ride or die thing.
1 likeYeahhh... nah.. its pretty normal for a person in a similar situation as hers to be completely honest and compliant with the investigators.... :d
0 likes“I’m the victim here”
300 likesI can’t believe this guy. A teenager died. What an evil prick
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😂
1 like@John Smith Lloyd as \
0 likesHe did nothing wrong
1 likeHis neighbors said he was a jerk.
4 likes@Mr. Red means nothing
0 likes@Lee Davies of course he did nothing wrong. The world is so much safer now thanks to the brave actions of the music police. I'll be sure to let everyone know regardless of the type of music you like don't ever play it loud enough to offend anyone or you might lose your life by the hands of the music police.
6 likes@Lee Davies Means nothing to a homicidal sociopath.
1 likeNarcissists actually perceive things in a manner that makes them the victim or makes them less at fault.
2 likesYou can literally be doing nothing, minding your own business, and a narcissist can imagine you threatening them in some way. That’s my mother and father. So I know it’s true.
A great documentary about this case is “3 1/2 minutes 10 bullets” It’s all there, interviews with Jordan’s family and friends paint a picture of a typical teenager. Non- violent, good kid, not a thug as the defendant assumed. Interviews after the crime with police, neighbors of Dunn and even more eye opening jail house phone calls between he and Rhonda. It’s no surprise he’s a racist but to hear him spell it out during these phone calls? He dug his own grave!! If you’re interested in this case it’s a must see. I do hope Rhonda has found some peace, she did the right thing. 💜
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Thanks for the recommendation
1 like@Landon Torppey you’re welcome :)
0 likeswhere can we watch this?
0 likes@Inger Williams looks like on Hulu
0 likesThat woman, his ex-fiance, is one hell of a strong woman. Not too many people would be able to do what she did for the sake of having justice on a stranger's behalf.
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Thats whats wrong with this world, there was only 1 choice for her, and everyone faced with the decision of telling the truth or a lie, THE CORRECT CHOICE: ALWAYS TELL THE TRUTH.
197 likes@SubCulture _Vulture Sure, that's a lovely sentiment, but it's not reality. Rhonda was able to tell the truth here bc she's a nurse & not dependent on the defendant. I've tried cases where people feel unable to tell the truth against a defendant either bc they depend on him for money or it will jeopardize their life or the lives of others in their family
399 likes@cody davis Their comment seems to be reasonable, I don't understand the hostility coming from you.
146 likes@cody davis I'm Gen Z but ok.
90 likesScarlet she clearly loved him, her decision was very bold
58 likesi legitimately feel bad for her. full of love and unfortunately gave it to the wrong person.
112 likesShe can be glad to get rid of this guy before he had a chance to get violent to her.
71 likescody davis has been was the a good
0 likesbumble has was a good idea
0 likesWouldn't a weak person would do the same thing when confronted? I think your whole statement is sentimental poppycock
4 likesuh nooo, a strong woman is someone who shaves her head and has tattoos, all the while calling everyone rapists..
8 likesShe looks so sweet and loving she deserved better
18 likescody davis what is your problem you’re being really weird
13 likesMr Pupp what are you talking about???
11 likesMr Pupp k what has that got to do with anything?
10 likes@cody davis ok
2 likescody davis aight.
2 likes@cody davis I wish the dislike button worked on Youtube
16 likesA few questions you might want to be prepared for, are you a creature of habit? Does change upset you? Do you feel like you need patterns in your daily routine? how do you handle conflict? Do you feel the need to join niche groups as a way to justify/validate your own feeling of exclusion from society? Sometimes the worst thing we can do is purposely enter an echo chamber.
6 likes@cody davis Could I recommend you a nice christian band? My 13 year old loves skillet. They are hardcore while still staying true to jesus, you can hear the religious subtext in their lyrics!
4 likes@Cody Davis The guy you are responding to, likes World of warcraft, anime, the simpsons, and skillet..... I don't know the definition of a neet, just kidding I do, but I think you are being tricked. You are siding with the nutjob......he still lives at home... I did a quick search And found every youtube comment he ever made, using that I was able to figure out where he lives, and narrow down the different cody davis's on social media. He made his youtube email private, so likely that was his most commonly used email, once I got that you can find so many sites he has signed up for. The funny thing is, you forget some of the things you have said online. Sometimes you say things that narrow down where you live. Love from St petersburg.
5 likes@Cody Davis Using two accounts to troll? You might be smarter than I gave you credit for.
3 likes@Cody Davis Here I know how much the last word means to you girls, so i'll be the bigger troll and walk away.
2 likesSomeone died, and if you lie only to benefit yourself, that's disgusting. Sure it might be harder to tell the truth in circumstances. But it reflects more in who you are as a person and not what you're going through. To her, her fiance almost died that day... but something much worse then death
0 likesI totally agree with you but in all honesty i wouldn't try to cover up the murder of a congresswoman's only child either... that shit gets a little assassiny...
0 likesScarlet how the fuck do you know her reason? Is it not possible she just did the right thing and told the truth because she’s a good person?
0 likes@cody davis i wouldn't say Weird describes how you're acting in these comments. psychotic fits much better.
2 likesheck i wouldn’t wanna be with a murderer either
0 likesI have empathy for her, but she shouldn't have been with such a garbage person in the first place.
0 likes@Scarlet I understand what youre saying but i think her being financially independent had anything to do with why she told the true. I think she told the truth because she's just that kind of person. The fact that she is a nurse is more indicative of the fact that she is a moral human being.
0 likesWhy are the replies under this comment incredibly annoying? I wanna say something else, but I don’t know what to say ‘cause it’s all stupid.
0 likes@cody davis You must be trolling. Quit embarrassing yourself.
1 likeNot at all she didn't have much of a choice, she was nervous I get it but I certainly wouldn't call her strong
1 like😒
0 likes@Scarlet "depend on them for money"
1 likeThat's a shit excuse for the morally bankrupt
Christ, I starved for 3 months and never once considered stealing
Not really, she just wanted his money lol.
0 likesThe prosecution may have put some pressure on Rhonda. After all, she was technically an accessory to murder when she fled the scene and then the city with him and made no attempt to report the shooting or to encourage him to do so, and very possibly would have kept it secret forever if other witnesses hadn't seen their license plate. It's not much but it'd be enough to convince her to testify in exchange for immunity.
0 likes@Ryan McBride
1 likeI was thinking the same about her just leaving the scene of a shooting incident and fleeing the city after it became clear, someone has died. I think she got very lucky / the police was very understanding of her situation.
But since they apparently never discussed any defense plan before being interrogated separately (!) by the police, there was absolutely no way to come up with a story that would have helped him.
Respect her.
1 likeHonest woman.
Saying that she's "strong" for testifying sounds true enough but it also implies that she'd be "weak" for not testifying, which I don't think would be the case. If the detectives put the screws on her saying she would go to jail unless she testified against her man, and she said "fuck you, I ain't no snitch."... that's weakness? Nah. That would make her kinda a badass in a way. What did she risk by taking the stand? Michael Dunn going to call his homies from the software company? Is she in witness protection now?
0 likesI mean she certainly did the right thing getting justice for the victim's family; without her testimony that he had never mentioned a weapon, there may have been reasonable doubt that the men in the red truck could have threatened him with a weapon and gotten rid of it before the cops showed up. Perhaps the charges would have been dropped to manslaughter and reckless endangerment and he'd be out in a couple of years on good behavior. I think Rhonda was just rightfully disgusted with what had happened plus possibly facing her own charges, so what she did was relatively easy.
@lockandloadlikehell so you are a ghost?
0 likesOr she just didnt want to get arrested for obstruction of justice.
0 likesIs it really that hard to believe that a human being would be against murder of another? What's more interesting is she probably was a victim of dv.
0 likesLimb
0 likes@cybernetic ghost of christmas past from the future Honestly kinda scared of you
0 likesI’ve seen many comments about her character. Yours is the one that captures the essence of why she is so admirable.
0 likesno the fuck she's not, she fled the scene right with him and it seems coddled his racism for a long time. the only reason she decided to get "justice on a strangers behalf" was to avoid getting charges of her own
0 likes@joanna n maybe it was both. When was the last time you didn’t have conflicting emotions yourself?
0 likesWhat do you mean not many people would do that? Be honest?! I’m seriously wondering. I may be sheltered living in ND my whole life lol, but is the consensus REALLY that this genuinely wonderful woman is in a small population of people who would be honest in a court setting? Who would lie for this situation? Why would she? Lie in Court for what? I don’t know why this is too much for me lol 😆 Is humanity as a whole really that debased that they would lie in court to protect their partner for murdering another human? I’d love statistics, but then maybe not :(
0 likesShe's a nurse. I'm not surprised; she did the right thing. If she lied, it would eaten her alive.
0 likesNot too many people can be honest?
0 likes@Khat Dragon right?
0 likesHe shot 10 shots at unarmed men and had the nerve to call himself the victim. Wtf?
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Unarmed kids*** the victim was underage. It’s a hate crime, he though he would get away like Zimmerman
26 likesAnd he calls them thugs. The irony.
8 likes@Jake Yates He didn't call them thugs he said he hated that thug music he was describing the music as thug music..
1 like@Oversized tshirt7767 hate crime? Where's your evidence of that?
1 like@Luis Ramirez IK what you're doing and I'm not falling for it
20 likes@Luis Ramirez its a common way for ppl to criticise black culture. Its clearly racist by using the parallel of music.
13 likes@lol no well you have to prove what your saying with evidence
2 likes@Luis Ramirez At the very beginning of the video on his call with Rhonda he says "but they're violent" and in context there is only one reasonable interpretation of "they". Beyond that you can clearly see how he fabricated an imaginary threat so he could execute someone and feel self-righteous about it. That delusion doesn't come up randomly or as a product of mental illness, it's a consequence of his beliefs. Don't get me wrong, it's not enough to charge him with a hate crime, but it's also obviously his hatred that motivated him to kill. He's absolutely remorseless.
9 likes@Abe Buckingham some people provoke things also
1 like@Luis Ramirez Yeah that's why he's going to spend the rest of his life in jail. It's difficult to believe how blinded some people can be by their own hatred but here we are.
8 likes@Abe Buckingham yeah he is spending his life in jail but the kid he shot lost his life maybe if he wouldn't have started yelling bad words at the guy none of this would've happened..
1 like@Luis Ramirez Right, and if the guy didn't start the confrontation he wouldn't have gotten yelled at, but that was his plan. He incited the confrontation so he play out his racist fantasy of killing some thugs in self-defense. This wasn't 2nd degree murder, it was 1st. He planned this.
6 likes@Luis Ramirez They did prove it, that's why he was convicted of 1st degree murder. I take it you didn't watch all the trial footage?
5 likes@Abe Buckingham So you're telling me he knew the victim was gonna be there when he stopped at the gas station?? How did he plan it ?
1 like@Luis Ramirez If you really care just go watch the trial. That's what I did. It was literally days worth of information and you didn't get the whole picture here.
5 likesHow will we get to Mars now, without this astronaut doctor president?
0 likes@Luis Ramirez dam u really trying to defend this dude lmao.
5 likes@Luis Ramirez oOoOoOOoor, hear me out! The guy should've just drove away with his wife after she got done buying what she was buying. I don't know why you're defending this murderer so hard, it sounds like you wanna marry him or something
5 likes@Abe Buckingham He's trolling. Don't feed him.
1 likesounds about white! LoL
0 likesHey that music was loud, he couldn't hear himself think about not shooting unarmed black children.
0 likesJCS created an entirely new genre. Raised the bar. All he received in return was trouble. No wonder he doesn't post anymore. ☹️
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I'm unfamiliar, can you elaborate on what you mean when you say he received trouble in return?
2 likes@Justin watch The Assassination of JCS it explains why
13 likesI heard they made a deal with yt and they will return
6 likes@Naj 😆
0 likes@nejc Source: „trust me bro”
3 likes@Rose Raid they clearly made progress since videos are monetaized again. I heard it in icam podcast
0 likesHer being stuck alone with him is probably why she didn't call the police. He doesn't seem like a reasonable person at best and at worst he's cold and abusive. She was alone with a murderer for a long time.
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Well said
1 likeIf JCS videos have taught me anything, it is this: never ever ever ever feel the need to explain yourself in a police interrogation room. Say absolutely nothing to the police and request an attorney immediately.
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or... and just maybe...don't commit a crime.
29 likes@KvngCobra that to 😂
4 likes@KvngCobra of course, but one day you could be one of those unlucky ones and get falsely accused because you were at the wrong place at the wrong time.
20 likesI actually really appreciated Rhonda’s testimony. It was so refreshing to see the behavior of an honest witness on this channel, and it stood out so much after watching guilty people try to fake it.
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I got the impression that she's a sweet lady with terrible taste in men. Big props to her for doing the right thing, not easy to do.
622 likesFelt the same. Poor woman had no idea who her fiance really was
253 likesWhy "actually"? Who wouldn't expect you to appreciate it?
25 likes@Jacob exactly! Poor Rhonda fell in love with Archie Bunker. SMH. Glad he found his pigpen at the end. Happy endings make me all fuzzzy inside 😂
44 likes@jumpinjohnnyruss good point haha—everyone in the comments is agreeing with me! I didn’t mean it as if I was saying something controversial, but more like: “I expected to be more focused on the murderer’s interrogation, but instead I got to witness an honest person’s testimony, and I was actually more interested in that part.” Rereading my comment, though, it does sound like I was implying that most people wouldn’t appreciate her testimony.
84 likes@Eagle Fang Sports I have yet to date anyone even approaching the homicidal hemorrhoid that is Michael Dunn.
57 likesI’m proud of her. But you can bet that he blames her for the amount of his sentence based on her testimony!
32 likesHe admitted guilt and the intent to kill without self defense being at play the very moment he left the scene and went home to make his run and coke. It's possible things could have played out how we said they did, but they didn't and the proof is that he left the scene, which in it's self is a crime..
11 likes@jumpinjohnnyruss not her fault for using the word "actually" here, she's actually not that smart
1 like@Philip Craig you a bot?
2 likes@Eagle Fang Sports who are you even arguing with?.. total difference between dating someone "rough around the edges" and a violent racist. regardless, no one is even blaming her for not knowing. even if testifying against him was the bare minimum, sometimes we don't even get that and it's refreshing that she did.
6 likesIkr!
0 likes@Garrett Davis I think she knew. Her reply to his comment about how he "hates that thug music" was "I know". She knew and clearly did not care for it but wasn't confident enough to stand up for her beliefs against Michael, which honestly I understand.
5 likesIt looked painful for her to tell the truth. She probably still cares about him and knew her testimony would damage his defense. Probably took her a while to accept that her fiancee was not the gentle, gallant, honest man he pretended to be.
12 likesAgreed
0 likesYou'd think there would be some kind of loyalty to the man she supposedly loved. I'm not saying he was right nor am I saying she should have lied but she could have handled it differently. It's common for females to throw loyalty out the window at the slightest discomfort. Remember this young men, never pit yourself in a situation where your life depends on her loyalty.
3 likes@Ollie Foxx very true
0 likes@Ollie Foxx This wasn't a slight discomfort. Her fiance killed someone, she did it perfectly, I don't get what did you expected her to do. If I love someone and he results to be a killer, that's not the person I thought I loved! She doesn't own him anything
25 likes@Mora A. She could have handled this differently and still have done her due diligence. They didn't just meet, they were engaged after knowing each other FOR YEARS. They were ENGAGED. Why did this software engineer snap? What was going on in his life or past that could have explained it? Had he ever shown this type of behavior in the past? Did she bother trying to help his attorney AT ALL? It's rare for a female to show true loyalty. That's a fact. It's a weakness of character. You're just underscoring my point. Yes, he killed someone. Yes, he deserved punishment. Yes, she testified AGAINST her FIANCE. What did she do at all to help the person she supposedly loved?
2 likes@Jacob Maybe not terrible taste, just might have not seen him in this kind of situation or brushed off similar but not nearly as violent ones
0 likesOne hell of a gal. She threw the man she was soooo in love under the bus put it in reverse and ran over him again ... Whatta gal
3 likes@Non Ya EXACTLY
1 likeAll the young guys reading the comments. She dated this guy for YEARS. Was going to marry him. She KNEW how he was by that time. She could have been more loyal. All these women praising her are one bad day away from being as disloyal as her.
@Ollie Foxx finally! Someone on my same frequency. Thank you!
1 like@Non Ya Same here. Loyalty is had to find now a days. It's like looking for a ruby in a landfill. When or if a man ever finds a good woman he better treat them well. Just read the comments of all these ladies that actually think they're the rubies amongst the crap...no one wants that
0 likesShe is truly a breath of fresh air with how honest and true she was the whole time, such a sweet lady
7 likes@Ollie Foxx I don't think your hangups over women being disloyal are comparable to a women telling her honest account of a crime. Clearly you're projecting here. How could she tell the truth without being disloyal as you say she is? And then to say women who think that her telling the truth was a good thing are also not loyal? And therefore these strangers you don't even know are crap? What? How do you even know that? It seems more like you're pushing your agenda of how you feel about women onto a case that has like, nothing to do with that
28 likesAnd also being with someone for years doesn't mean you know they'll commit murder? There are lots of murder cases where friends and family are in utter disbelief that the perpetrator did what they did. It's not her fault for being in a relationship with someone who eventually committed a crime, it's not usually outwardly obvious someone will end up doing that kind of thing
I don't think loyalty is as hard to find as you seem to think it is, it's clear you have a warped view on women and they can probably tell that
@Ollie Foxx I’m confused. What could she have done to be viewed as “loyal” in your eyes? Is she disloyal because she told the truth during questioning?
22 likesShe was locked in to her original statement. Changing her story would put her at risk of a perjury charge. I do agree with you that she seemed to me to just be an honest person.
6 likes@Sonia Fernandes <-----Careful fellas, when the going gets tough this one will fold on you like a lawnchair.
1 like@e- w- 🙄🙄🙄 In your rush to point fingers and virtue signal you forgot to actually read my posts. Some of you have the minds of children. She knew this man for years and was his fiance. Instead of having his back and trying to figure out what happened to cause this guy to snap she turned on him and helped the cops. By being loyal to him thats not condoning what he did. She should have tried to understand why he did it and how she could help him through it. All you gals cheering for her only confirms the stereotype that a loyal woman is as rare as hens teeth. There are loyal women but all the comments supporting her betrayal show how shallow most of you are.
0 likes@e- w- Look at you. Ranting like a mad person. You're making excuses and strawman arguments to justify your shallow character. That woman never said a word about him abusing her. They were happy and in love till she asked him to stop and get her more wine. He wasn't a drinker, had been drinking at a wedding and as a result did a terrible thing. He was definitely in the wrong. You don't throw your fiance under the bus at the first bad experience. She should have helped him get through the bad time. I'm not saying they should have stayed together but she should have at least done more. I guarantee youre one of those, "If he can't love me at my worst he doesn't deserve me at me best." kind of gals. You definitely expect your significant other to have your back. It works both ways.
0 likes@e- w- "....ending up on watch lists"...WHAT?! So having a different opinion than your is enough to put me on some kind of list? Only a raging Karen says things like that. So you're the type to report your parents and associates (Karen's don't have friends) to the authorities for things you don't like. The more you post the crazier you sound. I see now you are the kind of person that's loyal to no one or nothing. Talking about watch lists is what crazy people say.
0 likesShe was in a vise. They had video of her initial interview with the detectives so she couldn't testify any other way or she'd be looking at 5 years.
4 likesSpeaking of Rhonda, why on earth is she pixelated (pixated? pixled? pixified?) in the police interrogation? She's an adult, she's on full display in the courtroom, she's a witness; what's the purpose?
3 likesShe deserves much better than that killer she’s so sweet it’s so sad to see her painfully answering the questions
5 likes@Mattias Lundkvist I was wondering that, too. My best guess is that the creator scavenged the video from a different source, like a news broadcast, where the video was already pixelated since the case was still ongoing. My guess is the creator didn’t pixelate the footage. But I’m just spitballin’ ☺️
1 like@Lost and Found makes sense.
0 likesIndeed
0 likesagree, same with the black kids testifying, and that other random dude.
0 likes@John Verdecia omg thank you for this comment, I didn’t want to expend the energy putting it into words. Some of these comments are just bizarre.
3 likes@Garrett Davis I disagree. She knew EXACTLY who he was, and was happy to aid and abet him before he got caught. He even left her alone after it happened, and yet she still didn't call the police. She was legally obligated to testify, they weren't married so spousal privilege doesn't apply. It was this, or get arrested for perjury. You don't get brownie points for doing the bare minimum of basic human decency, especially if it's done only after you've exhausted every other option.
0 likes@Ollie Foxx "point fingers and virtue signsl".....REALLY?
0 likesYou just made "woman" a category of pejorative, yet THEY'RE pointing fingers and being holierthan thou
@Garrett Davis I feel like she was abused in the relationship, she says when she’s been questioned by the cops “I was thinking in my head, why the hell would you do this? Why did you do it? But I didn’t wanna tell that to my husband because he already looked upset.” I’m sure he would abuse her sometimes too or just wasn’t treated right
0 likesIf anyone's wondering why Dunn drove home to turn himself in to his hometown sheriff instead of surrendering in Jacksonville, it's likely because he thought his local sheriff would take his side and run interference for him. Now this was a stupid notion on Dunn's part since the crime didn't take place in his home county, so his sheriff couldn't have helped even if he had wanted to. Who knows, maybe if this had happened in Dunn's home county, he might never have even been charged for this.
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Indeed. Does Mr Dunn strike you as an astrophysicist? I think Dumb is Dunn's status quo, alas.
6 likesHonestly, you are making some wild assumptions here. Do you know the Sheriff of Jacksonville? I highly doubt any officer would ignore the evidence and take Dunn's side. Beside that, I highly doubt he ever intended to contact the police in the first place. Him stating that he drove home to contact his local sheriff was just an excuse to explain why he drove home. The real reason he drove home is probably because he hoped he wouldn't get caught.
0 likes@OmgPotatoButt 1. Dunn was from Brevard County, not Duval County (where Jacksonville is and where the crime occurred). 2. If you "highly doubt any officer would ignore the evidence and take Dunn's side", you've most likely never lived in Florida, or most any place in the South.
25 likesThis was just a few months after George Zimmerman killed Trayvon Martin in Seminole Co. (next to Brevard). Zimmerman was only arrested and charged weeks later after a national outcry. Initially, police didn't even question Zimmerman. Instead, they performed a toxicology screening on Martin, the victim. Maybe that's not enough to convince you that Dunn likely would have had every reason to expect kid glove treatment had the crime occurred in his home county. If not, then there's not much more to be said on the subject.
Dunn was drunk and needed a night to sober up
2 likes@Libbathegreat Trayvon Martin was a kid who made some terrible choices and sadly he chose the wrong one to attack that night. RIP to Martin but Zimmerman wasn’t in the wrong either to be honest.
0 likesYou're making very foolish assumptions.
0 likesI really hope Rhonda is doing well and is married/soon to be married to someone who doesn’t have a heart filled with evil. She really does deserve the best.
56 likesI mean, at the end of the day he opened fire on innocent teens because he didn't like their music. And usually you'd expect some level of accountability or empathy for the lives and families of those who killed/traumatised, yet all he does is justify his actions and paint himself as the allmighty good.
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It is obvious that he IS racist.
24 likesHe probably hated them so much that he completely blocked any empathy that would be expected.
Its normal that you don't feel empathy for people you hate.
Sad thing is I'm guessing he was a prick while asking them to turn the radio down which started it all from there. If you are respectful and kind with a tiny request like turn your music down 99.9% of people will oblige. I feel horrible for the teen that lost his life. The driver reacting and immediately reversing to protect them all was the perfect thing to do. I'm happy they got this bastard.
9 likes@Huskers12 🤣🤣🤣🤣
0 likes@Lee Davies 🤡🤡🤡🤡
0 likesHe parked next to them because he wanted a confrontation. The witness did what any reasonable person would have done, parked a few spots down. But he chose to park right next to the car full of black kids blasting music. He knew exactly what he was doing.
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This is extremely accurate.
7 likesExactly, what I hear from a lot of 2A lovers such as myself is the best way to defend yourself is to not put yourself in a situation where you need to.
4 likesHonestly, if I had pulled up like Witness No. 7, I would have done the same thing he did - just park away from the loud music. The music isn't hurting anyone, it's just not something I need overtaking the entirety of my senses, no matter who's playing it. Personally, I listen to classical and opera, but I don't feel the need to force everyone around me to hear it. So, I just avoid stuff I don't like. It really does sound like he intentionally pulled up next to the guys, thinking "these guys are thugs but I have a gun and I can take them out before they can start anything". So then HE starts something, knowing his gun's right there. It makes me sick. I know people have already commented this, but I'm just so disgusted by that uppity, condescending look on his face..."i'm the victim". Honestly. What a dick.
2 likes@Scott W 100% you just leave them to it
0 likesThis is extremely inaccurate and unprovable. Very foolish immature people commenting.
0 likes@DezertFox so your counter is?
1 like@DezertFox you must be joking me? Many many drunken people insert themselves intentionally.
1 like@James Walkington I am quite confident I am dealing with another Asperger sufferer from America.
0 likes@DezertFox I am quite confident I dealing with someone that hasn’t ever ventured out into the real world nor experienced how some drunken humans can be.
0 likes@DezertFox bizarrely, I am becoming drawn to your arguments and the way in which you word them. My rebuttal would be that you too cannot determine whether your viewpoint is correct.
0 likesHowever, I do admit I was the one that indulged the op in their viewpoint therefore I was the one that made an assumption.
It isn’t beyond the realm of possibility; I have seen those behaviours before but that is a morsel of humanity and not indicative of the whole.
btw, I am not American.
Lovely. Few thugs blast music, and everyone has to nicely avoid them not to park too close to them,God forbid.
0 likes@Timewind That's why I said here that this kid created the situation in the first place. He could have just turned the music down and he'd be alive. Dunn deserves his sentence and was unjustifiable, but this kid opened the door for his own death. A lesson to people in how to behave in society, avoid trouble.
1 like@Timewind bless you.
0 likes@DezertFox agree
0 likes@DezertFox “it was unjustifiable but lemme justify it” lmfao
0 likesRhonda not lying for her husband is honestly really nice to see. she didn’t seem to lie or downplay the situation ever to save her fiancé from getting a harsher sentence. even when she talks to him on the phone she doesn’t just give in to what he wants to hear. that’s really... like... you don’t see that often.
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It is surprising especially after seeing the mother and lawyers of Dalia Dippolito...
267 likesi was coming here to say this. She clearly respects the process and I respect her for it.
171 likesShe was too good for him.
232 likesIt feels a lot like their relationship was abusive. The way she describes that he was already angry and she didn't want to ask any questions over the next 24 hours really says she has been walking on egg shells. This event gave her the space to be on her own after he was arrested and finally realise her situation. It's a shame that someone had to be murdered for her to get out of that situation.
348 likesShe was his fiance, not his wife. She literally dodged a bullet.
174 likesShe told him that they needed to leave town right away and head home after she saw the news. Why not talk him in to turning himself in? Leaving was her idea
23 likesMaldives Baby they still call her his fiancé at the trial so they’re still together
5 likesI think when it came to court she had to tell the truth to avoid committing perjury due to her statements in the witness interrogation.
33 likes@Robert Cerat fr fr
3 likesYeah she’s called “genuine” she never once stated anything with any motives she just wants to be honest. It’s so rare that she stands out. In a world of casual misinformation
31 likesshe told in her interrogation that Michael never said anything about a gun, if she would lie in court saying he did, there would be proof she would be lying under oath and get her in trouble as well
8 likessound to me like she was trying to save her skin..
2 likesYou can see during one of her interviews that she takes a second to consider whether or not she should lie to protect her fiance, and she pretty quickly decides she HAS to tell the truth. Props to her.
28 likesPoor woman, she didn’t deserve this
2 likes@Lilly Rose I think you bring up a fair point. Imagine though you just learn, after you hear from your fiance that no one got hurt and now you're suddenly learning that's completely wrong, isn't it reasonable that you want to both deny this new reality (because it's someone you love and you want to trust you have good judgement on people you love) and try to go about normal while also trying to process this as the truth? She states in the interview that she on the way home was just in a sort of state of shock. The other thing too, they definitely got their plates, so they know where they lived, so it'd be reasonable if trying to not accept this and to hide from it to go anywhere else BUT home.
14 likesStill, in the trial, she still called herself his fiance and that just...for someone that was being honest from the get go with the police? She's doing herself a true disservice.
you don't see that often?!!! im pretty sure the cases where a partner stays silent on such an extreme incident is quite rare, likely if the husband is very controlling or abusive.
0 likeshow the hell did this get almost 2000 likes?
She talks too high pitched, that's how you know a person was been abused or suffered trauma. Probably this situation freed her from a bad guy.
21 likes@sad pee I can read her fear and distress in her voice.
9 likes@sad pee im not expert of usa system, but almost in all EU system, parents and nearest relatives - can chiose to not testify.
5 likesAnd yes, with a word like "i saw a gun" and an attorney that know what he is doing, this man would be free and not sentence for life wothiut parole
@Silvano i never said they didn't have a choice. i said most use it in situations like this.
2 likesmoreover idk american law that well either but i think they have to appear in court as witness, only they can choose to remain silent if they wish
She really said under the bus is where you deserve to be honey, respectfully .
15 likes@Tehzeeb Ali save her skin from what? She didn’t commit any crimes. She’s on video as being in the gas station when the shooting happened. The only “crime” she may have done was failure to report a crime...
21 likesGlad to see a nurse with her heart in the right place. She knew her fiance was a moron and completely in the wrong for escalating the situation... if the loud music was something he enjoyed, he probably wouldn't have said anything. Sounds like he had more than just a few drinks based on his behavior and comments though
5 likesShe was NOT his wife ONLY a fiance
1 like@Jake Bob fiance not wife
1 likeSalt of the earth
0 likes@Lilly Rose no you don’t tell that to a racist, probably sexist serial killer. He’s an angry man and it’s not her job to get him to turn himself in. At least she got him home where the police know he lives.
12 likes*fiancė
1 like@Silvano In the US you only only have the right to not testify against yourself or a spouse. They weren't technically married yet, just engaged, so she wouldn't have that right.
2 likes@AnonymousVampire I realized that too. She was a witness for the prosecution. I hope she is moving on and doing alright.
2 likesShe probably hadn't seen that bad side of him before and realised that she might end up on the receiving end of it one day.
3 likes@Luiz Felipe Probably SA as a child. From what I’m understanding is the voice stays frozen from the age of trauma.
1 like@Fungigi that is not true lmfao. People deal with trauma in different ways. It's completely impossible to speculate on whether someone has been sexually abused unless they display behaviours associated with it. A voice is not that. Where did you read that complete nonsense. Source: I work with children who experience CSA.
9 likesbare fucking minimum 💀
1 likeFiancé. Don't any of you read?
2 likesNo, she knew that calls were recorded and didn't want him to say something that they could use against him.
1 likeI think it’s cause people have this obsession with loyalty, but not integrity.
1 likeHer integrity is immaculate
1 likeShe has empathy…he does not.
1 like@Maldives Baby not literally
0 likes@Robert Cerat sure she was. hybristophilia is a common occurrence.
1 like@Lilly Rose she’s honest about that. There’s no dissembling. I think we can allow her 24 hours of not knowing what the fuck to do. Also remember- at that point it was just her and him. And listen to her grey rocking him on the phone call. She’s used to managing his temper.
1 like@dwerg2k could have married him, then would not have been obliged to testify against him. That’s her choice.
0 likes@Robert Cerat agreed
0 likesGuys, this just shows why you don't get married. She'll throw you under the bus. And then a bunch of women on youtube will agree with her.
1 like@Jazza BigHits don’t shoot teenagers for no damn reason. Don’t hold a gun to you’re wives heads in domestic disputes. Don’t threaten them with deportation. Be a man worthy of loyalty. This man deserves worse than he got, long before he committed his final crime. Men who menace woman should be barred from ever touching a gun. Women are always the first to know what a man is.
3 likesShe's a good person through and through. Sadly true you don't see that often..
1 like@hasslfoot dont even bother hes just copypasting the same thing on every comment that mentions her. this clown just wants attention
1 like@sad pee show me the evidence that supports partners openly telling on their spouse. You’re accusation that this isn’t rare is ridiculous.
0 likes@Jordan Cedillo you want me to show proof for OP having no proof? prove a negative claim. if he asserts something as fact and i contest it, the burden of proof is on him. not me. it lies on the one making the statements to prove it not on the ones hearing the statement to disprove it.
0 likes@Tehzeeb Ali That's it and that's all!
0 likes@Maldives Baby but he caught it since she couldn’t be compelled to testify against him if they were married at the time
0 likesI can't believe how heartless this guy is about killing a kid yet he chokes up when talking about his dog? I'm guessing he realized he'd never see it again
14 likesAll I'm picturing is this young boy's mother getting the news that her baby boy was shot because his car music was too loud.
30 likesWhat an awful man, he seems to have no remorse either... And his poor fiancé too, she's showing such incredible humanity here, not hiding anything and cooperating fully.
glad they were smart and acted fast, my deepest sympathies for jordan and the trauma they experienced. the way young black men are seen by people like him infuriates me, the ones that raised me are the kindest men I know and have had to actively break the stereotypes for small minded people
21 likesGod bless Rhonda. Too many times do people choose to lie for their loved ones rather than do what’s right.
38 likesWhat these videos have taught me: Never talk to the police without an attorney and life is extremely stress free when you don’t kill people.
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Don't shoot at a stranger's car
713 likesI feel like since most of them were brought in not as a suspect, they didn’t want to appear guilty or suspicious. So they chose to lie their asses off as a “witness” instead of getting an attorney. Requiring an attorney would just paint them as having something to hide
301 likesFr. Even if you're innocent. Always lawyer up
632 likes@Christina Nie yeah it seems like that logically but remember anything you say can be held against you-therefore anything you don't say can't be held against you
207 likesi feel like ive seen this comment before on one of these videos.
61 likessame here
2 likes@Christina Nie to the bystanders cops ect yes. the judge is bound by oath and by lar to uphold the constitutution and can't take it against you.
27 likesstolen comment
20 likes@Christina Nie Thing is, they don't read you your Miranda rights unless you're a suspect. This was pointed out in one of the other videos. The whole purpose of them is that "hey, you look pretty sus, so we got our eye on you, and you might wanna watch what you say." The fact they're somehow oblivious to that, in each of these videos, is exactly why they're warned in the first place. It's the cops' way of saying "well, we tried, but you still wanted to implicate yourself so... have fun with that"
95 likesYou got that right
1 likeThat's.. it?
4 likesunder rated comment
3 likes@frank it's not under rated. It's stolen. I see it on a lot of these videos
17 likes@Dominick Wheeler ok, ain't got time to validate 60,000 comments, sorry! :)
10 likes@frank XD watch a couple videos and check comments. You'll see them ;)
1 like@Olivia I agree, but I have a question about this. Do you say nothing to any police? Do you ask for a lawyer as soon as a police asks you any questions? what if you're a witness to something and they ask? Should I lawyer up for that as well? Do you only ask for a lawyer if they say you're arrested? idk at what point you should lawyer up. Is it when youre told the Miranda rights?
22 likes@pvic You should ask for an attorney immediately and don't answer any questions. If a police officer wants to bring you in for interrogation ask for a lawyer even if you're a witness. Detectives will always try to twist your words and incriminate you, it's their job.
61 likesThey get paid to put people in jail.
14 likesI never said anything about whether the person was guilty.
@Olivia Thank you! ok so its at the point where they're taking you in for questioning then? Because what if the scenario is there was a crash and they ask you, on the road, what happened? If I answer quickly, I could save a life, but if I ask for a lawyer.. idk. So I guess in this scenario, if they formally take me for questioning/interrogation, thats when I ask for a lawyer, but random questions are ok?
11 likes@Olivia i gave you the 69th like 😂
2 likes@pvic yea. It really depends on the scenario lol. If they're bringing you into an interrogation room they are def trying to incriminate you or find your lies and thats when you need an attorney
24 likes@Olivia lol maybe the best thing to do is ask for a lawyer every time no matter what haha.
25 likesme: I want a lawyer
police: im just telling you your tail light it out
me: ...
Absolutely
0 likesInnocent people end up in these situations too. I was one of them, thank got my case was dropped though.
12 likes@Christina Nie No legal expert advises to speak to police without an attorney present, regardless of guilt.
17 likesYes, even if you're not guilty. Don't ever talk to the police without an attorney, they'll cherry pick your statement to hell and back.
25 likesPOW…same
0 likesSometimes You have to kill someone in self defence but that’s not the point of self defence and when someone is killed in self defence shootings it tends not to be shooting at someone who’s fleeing. If someone’s fleeing they aren’t currently a threat and if they turn around to attack you again you save bullets by not shooting a fleeing “attacker” because if they flee then you are safe plus they are more likely to survive if you don’t shoot them while they are fleeing. And even if they decide to attack you again you still have bullets left or if someone else attacks you. My point is their is almost no reason to shoot a fleeing person in self defence.
3 likes‘Life is extremely stress free when you don’t kill people.’ Sounds like an anger management motto. I like it.
7 likesAMEN
0 likesYou “life is stress free when you don’t murder” copycats found your life’s purpose.
2 likes@Will Russell your response is what investigators call defensive. This is a tactic suspects use when confronted with the possibility that the police may have uncovered more evidence than they have revealed.
9 likes@Alana Corbella mostly in america
0 likesHow about DON'T MURDER
2 likes@pvic always ask if you're being detained, always ask for a lawyer, and if they ask you questions before your lawyer arrives, always answer with "I plead the fifth." the best thing you can do for yourself.
7 likesIn my country—Sweden, prison is a joke.
0 likes@Tony Arcieri Yup
1 likelol
0 likesSeems like he didnt even care he killed that kid. Absolutely no emotion
6 likes@Misleader Unknown Time to grow up eh?
0 likesThat's true.. But it's so good that he did!!Otherwise this monster could have gotten away with killing a teenager for no good reason.
3 likesYou missed the main lesson. Keep the volume down.
4 likes"Life is extremely stress free when you don't kill people". Weird take tbh. Seems like you are empathizing with the stress of the killers being interrogated? Also just objectively untrue, there is a lot of more stressful things then that. At least in this situation they know they have access to food water and shelter still. What about the stress of someone who is struggling to even meet those basic needs? I'm not trying to be rude or anything, but I just feel like you shouldn't throw around big statements like that when they aren't very true.
0 likes@Marina Gaul wut. I think you read way too much into that lmao.
12 likes@Thaddeus Cosse agreed. Also, the "others have it worse" argument is getting old anyway
4 likesHa ha, how did you not already know those 2 things? If you're 10 years old, my apologies
0 likes“Officer, I respect that you have to ask these questions, and I would like to assist you with your investigation. However, I would prefer speaking with an attorney before we move forward.”
5 likesHear hear
0 likes@Marina Gaul lol. Life IS extremely stress free of you don't go around kill people.. And for your opinion, you don't have the right to decide for anybody of what is "very true" and not.
3 likesIf I go thru life without killing anybody it will mean a less stressful life. Even if I live a shit life already where I can barely push thru on a daily basis in terms of providing myself with food and water, life will ALWAYS be less stressful of you don't kill...
@Capigliutu It is and the poster still gets 8 K likes for a stolen comment
1 likeYup, don't shoot up a stranger's car because you had a few rum and coke.
0 likes@InSaynt He already had a warrant to be arrested for murder and attempted murder whilst being interviewed
0 likes@pvic Yeah, generally ask for a lawyer when police want to ask you any questions about ANYTHING other than an immediate situation that is happening, like if you saw someone shot in front of you and the police arrive in 5 minutes. If the crime happened longer than an hour ago, lawyer up. It can't hurt. The reality of the American justice system is that it prioritizes money over justice, so innocent people are imprisoned all the time.
2 likesSpoken like a true narcissist
1 likeHeard that quote before
0 likesStress free when you don't kill people? What about the video of the dude who was innocent but had brain damage?
0 likes@Cosmin Croitoru Sure think the same. But copying and pasting isn't thinking, it's just plagiarism.
2 likes@Dominick Wheeler I don't know, but that's exactly what i think also. Guilty or not, just lawyer up.
0 likesIdk bruh. I've never killed anyone and my life is stressful/shit. 😂
0 likes@Cloud
0 likesI have. It's no big deal..
@Cosmin Croitoru just a bit sad though really isn't it, loving them easy likes
0 likes@Darkch4o5 Don't use a water gun?
0 likes@Visassess no no I did not mean to put water gun picture when I typed gun
0 likes@Christina Nie doesn’t matter. They can paint you however they want but if you don’t talk that’s always better
2 likesOr cheat. (Usually cheating is involved.)
0 likes@Darkch4o5 but they didn’t those young guys go off on him? They were into fighting too.
1 likeRight!!!!!!
0 likesDude... You read my mind! After watching these videos I can only imagine the stress.
0 likes@Olivia Many people, including myself, understand what you're saying. These guys just want to "jerk your chain" a little. It's literally common sense. If you are completely not affiliated in any capacity, and you're literally just a bystander and WANT to give witness testimony, you can choose wether to do so or not. If you're more involved or get yourself involved by stepping into a situation, always ask for a lawyer. Especially in the case of death. You can politely say that "I don't wish to answer any questions until I have a lawyer present to ensure my safety and rights. I am requesting a lawyer and I'm evoking my 5th amendment right to remain silent".
3 likesThis video is a good example of when to get a lawyer. All of the videos on this channel are. Getting pulled over for basic traffic offenses and asking for a lawyer is ridiculous, but it's your right. It's ALWAYS your right with LEO's.
Why do I see this comment on every single one of those videos??
1 like@Capri Jaylene why do you watch every single one of these videos?
2 likes@Julian Gonzalez I get what you are trying to say, but profesor of law James Duane highlights Salinas vs. Texas in his book in the chapter "Don't plead the fifth". So that answer " I plead the fifth" could be problematic, and is inferior to asserting your right to counsel.
0 likesThere is always a fart somewhere In the interrogation 😂
0 likesHahahahaha we’ve cracked the code, the secret to life lol
0 likes😄😄😄😄😄
0 likes@pvic you tell the police that you absolutely do not talk to them under any circumstances without your lawyer
0 likesEVER
Yes
0 likes@Darkch4o5 agreed, but still..don't talk to the police without an attorney. Guilty till proven innocent.. always let them know you invoke the fifth and stay silent..
0 likesWell said
0 likesMy friend after an altercation just recently had someone on the street shoot to bullets at his car then drive off. He ran his car into them to try and save himself then they drove off. Thankfully no one was killed but his front bumper fell off.
0 likesagreed
0 likesIt’s ironic he turned into the very thing he hated. A thug.
1 likeget a better wife
0 likes@Christina Nie. That is what they want people to think. There are enough innocent people who are incarcerated by mistake that there are many movies and tv shows about it.
0 likesNot all law enforcement are as competent as the ones in these videos.
I would suggest the only thing you should ask is if you are under arrest, if they respond with a yes, the meeting is over. If they say no, the meeting is over.
Everyone wants to be helpful if they are innocent, that is admirable and helpful. Some cops may be lazy or feel pressure to get a conviction, you just never know.
I was just going to say don’t kill people and you won’t have to worry about having a lawyer to talk to police lol
1 like😮😐
0 likes@Christina Nie The lack of saying anything is not admissible in court unless they are intentionally omitting information that they have already agreed to disclose. Having an attorney present, while it might seem suspicious, is not a valid reason whatsoever to paint you as guilty. Even remotely.
0 likesThis guy was a guilty trash ball and I’m glad he didn’t think to lawyer up early on. That said, yeah lol even if you have nothing to hide and you’re completely innocent you should always talk to a lawyer immediately. “Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law” does not in any way guarantee “and might also help you if you say something that proves you aren’t guilty of anything”
1 likeyou learn quick
0 likesI would have to agree.. 😂
0 likesThat's what u got from this. Maybe be a decent person whose doesn't commit even small crimes let alone murder might be the better thing to take away from this
0 likesTrue, but based on the fact that they arrested him the next day there was too much evidence against him. They would have been able to convict him even if he refused to talk. Also I think it’s sooooo hard for people to shut up thinking they will be able to get empathy and sway the cops. Also they figure the guilty person is the one who lawyers upright away.
1 likeFactssssss
0 likesboggles my mind that this guys knows he had killed someone (seen it on the TV), yet he did NOT think that he was in serious enough trouble to warrant a lawyer before talking to cops. I guess this is America.
0 likesWell, not stress free. But much less stressful.
0 likes100% correct
0 likes@Christina Nie At the end of the day being suspicious for lawyering up is infinitely better than being suspicious for having an inconsistent story. Many people who are still believed to have committed their crimes have gotten away with it because they kept quiet and lawyering up because being quiet isn't enough for a charge even if it's suspicious. And innocent people have been found guilty because of minor inconsistencies in their story because they forgot a detail or got one wrong.
2 likes@frank a. .There's no such thing as a "stolen comment". Silly little girl.
0 likes@Cloud. . .I think the commenter meant "less stressful" since there really are very few things that are stress free, yeah?
0 likes@RFC55🇬🇧. .No stopping the production of methane.
0 likes@Bingbong Bang okay smart boy Plagiarized comment then
1 likeAnd when you just mind your own damn business.
0 likes@Olivia
1 likeDifficult call. I've had the experience of being thought a suspect and went through five hours of interrogation plus a home visit and some being followed. Eventually they figured out that I was innocent -- but calling a lawyer never occurred to me: it was just obvious to me that i didn't need one -- which may or may not have been correct.
I dunno.
@cyanideassassin82 Imagine not being an axe murderer lmaoo
0 likesThe reason u ask for a lawyer is simple.
1 likeIs that why life is so stressful for me?
0 likes@Darkch4o5 don’t shoot ANY car lol
0 likes@Darkch4o5 Provided they are not shooting at you first.
0 likesLmao at ur name. Have you watched the one with Russell Williams?
0 likesYour First thought WASN'T 'don't kill people'.
1 likeJeesh
@Will Russell. one of the best comments I’ve ever read on youtube!!😉👌🏼
0 likesLife is also more stress free when you mind your business, especially when it comes to other peoples choice of music
0 likesAs stressful as watching these videos is it's really nice to think that even at my worst I'm never gonna end up in that situation. If everything ends up going wrong tomorrow (knock on wood) I have an extremely low chance of ending up getting interrogated and sent to die in prison.
0 likesLoad music isn't worth murder
0 likesI haven't killed anyone and life is anything but stress free. I get what you are saying. I don't have the look behind me stress. I am free of that.
0 likesRunning away in stressful situations instead of reacting can save you 25 years in prison.
0 likesSame!
0 likesPeople who are depressed and suicidal should watch these videos to feel good about themselves because they can’t have messed up their lives like this.
0 likesI was told by a lawyer to never talk to the police,always ask for a lawyer
0 likes@Christina Nie so? It doesn’t matter if the cops think you’re guilty for asking for an attorney. It has no bearing on whether you’ll be indicted or convicted. In fact, you’re much less likely to be convicted if you speak to an attorney first.
0 likes@Master Dodger you act like police don’t falsely arrest people literally every where
0 likes100% but I would add that booze and guns don't make for GOoD outcomes.
0 likesLol Better Call Saul
0 likesDebate v hate
0 likesDamn straight.
0 likesNot talking to the police will seem like you have things to hide as well
1 like@Christina Nie Police tell you not to hire a lawyer because it looks like guilt meanwhile celebrities and legal professionals keep their own lawyers on retainer.
0 likes@Olivia tbh the only time I didn't lawyer up was when I was guilty. I admitted everything on the spot the first interview lol
0 likesI'm fed up of this get a lawyer. Are you supporting criminals?? This guy is totally a psycho. Killed them young. For just playing a music they liked?? If he was innocent, yes he should have called a lawyer. But he is guilty as 100% . I'm glad he got framed from his own words.
0 likes@Tohuto I don’t think that’s what the comment meant but I could see it being taken that way
0 likesUnless your Kyle Rittenhouse, then you can get away with uf
0 likesTo be fair, most people are not racist bigots and don't have to worry about murdering innocent people because they were slighted.
1 like@InSaynt Not always, sometimes they are fishing, sure they can't use what you say against you, but they can make you a suspect or just arrest you.
1 like@Julian Gonzalez actually don’t plead the fifth to police. Quoting the fifth amendment states that you won’t speak because you could incriminate yourself. That is a tacit admission of guilt that police and prosecutors utilize in reports that will be shown to a Grand Jury as they are considering whether or not to indict. The best thing to say to police is “I don’t want to speak without my attorney present.”
0 likesbig facts
0 likes@Dominick Wheeler thats because every new person that start watching this vids feels this way literally just started watching this videos recently and every vid I watch Ive been feeling exactly how this comment describes this just because you are saying the same thing everyone feeling doesn't mean its copied
0 likes@Nkosi Moyo I'm not saying this problem doesn't describe how a new person would feel. What I'm saying it's a copied comment, word for word, like a slogan. Nothing wrong with that.
0 likesDon't worry when you have done nothing wrong.
0 likesOr minding your own business. All this would’ve been good if he didn’t ask them to turn down the music
0 likes@Jose Salas I disagree.
0 likesAsking kids to turn down the music in the public interest is the right thing to do.
But getting drunk and taking the law in your hands specially with a fire arm is a punishable crime.
stress free?
0 likesIt's also important to act like a civilised human being and not have your music blasting out, which could potentially annoy a psychopath!
0 likesIf the music wasn't at such a ridiculous volume then this wouldn't have happened. Another witness stated that he didn't park near that car due to the "loud music", so it was something that was annoying/irritating/causing fear in others.
No loud music...no murder.
@UltaFlame It’s a problem.
0 likesPolice departments base pay off of arrests so all the resources directed at crimes that are easy to solve and can result in quick arrests. Meanwhile the clearance rates of violent crimes has been SLIDING since the 50s (and clearance even includes arrests made regardless of actual convictions)!
@pvic Always always ALWAYS lawyer up when talking to the police, even if only as a witness. Reason being that the miranda rights are considered RIGHTS which mean they're always present, and the phrase in the MR "anything and everything you say can and WILL be used against you in a court of law". The whole point being that there is literally not ONE thing you can say to a police officer that will ever help or protect you. The police exist for one reason and one reason only: to prosecute people for violating the law. That does not mean they must prosecute the CORRECT person for violating the law. If you're innocent and you say something they can use to close the case, they're more than happy to call it there usually. You never EVER have to cooperate with police as a witness if you don't want to, so always have a lawyer present. Unlike congress or a judge in another trial, the police can't subpoena you simply to collect evidence.
0 likesit's amazing how many people are read their right to silence and then proceed to blather with the cops
0 likesidk if they think they're infallible enough to keep a storyline straight or if they just want to resolve the situation as quickly as possible and by talking and playing ball they think they can get away
I will say the way investigators will strride in with an ambiable and agreeable personality which eddies the suspect into a stream of dialogue which will be used to box them in in incrimental fashion
Idk how someone could do something like this in a way that makes it seem like they didnt even know before and when doing it that there would be consequences. Seems like the dude thought he was gonna be fine
0 likesYeah I’m calling bullshit I never kill anyone and my life is a never ending maelstrom of stress
0 likes@Michael deBidart im sure it was more of a warning to adhere to in order to avoid more stress
0 likesStress mitigation basically
@John R The police are not your friends and it doesn't matter whether you're innocent or guilty, you should never speak to them without an Attorney present. They can lie when they're interrogating you and this is what they do.
0 likesi wouldn't say stress free, but if we're doing the comparison that would be a correct enough approximation
0 likesHow long would it take his fiancée to buy a bottle of wine? 1-2 minutes? Could he not put up with the music for that long. I think he just wanted to use his firearm. He says he was really shocked when he asked them to turn music down and they shut it off. That tells me he was expecting some retaliation from them, and he only asked them because he know if anything went wrong, he had his pistol. Coward
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Thinking of your comment when Dunn proudly states how quickly he chambered a round, his great two handed manoeuvre, and how he shoots at a gun club. He fetishized his gun ownership. Combine that with his obvious deep fear and hatred of young black men and you get the ingredients for this tragedy. Sadly, many gun owners fit this bill in my experience. The gun is part of their identity. If I buy a snowboard and have a snowboarder identity, best believe that board isn’t sitting in the attic I’m going to be shredding up and down the snowy mountain. Same thing with guns except a gun only serves one purpose - to deliver a piece of metal into the body of another person with lethal force.
3 likesRIP Jordan Davis. Completely undeserved. Mad respect to Rhonda for not trying to cover anything up and respect to Tommy for saving as many lives as he could.
48 likesthis is one of the first cases i've seen on this channel that actually made me emotional while watching because it hits close to home. and to know there are still so many people out there with this same mindset. horrible.
33 likesA racist narcissist served due justice. I return to this video often
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Everything is racist to your type. Except the entire society has to lower its standards to be at your level
0 likes@Timewind man what
0 likesI swear these JCS videos are soooooo much better then any Netflix documentary about true crime. I watch them over and over. Keep up the good work sir!
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He needs a show for real
155 likesFacts
20 likesExactly
14 likesRobert Hughes heyyyy make a movie!!! Do you have a PODCAST ? Too?
10 likesFacts!!!
2 likesmccowaniii is It’s not one person. At the same time I’d absolutely bet that a studio or production company would limit segments in time that would mean information would have to be omitted.
38 likesThis is the best way for good, rich and detailed content to be delivered - without restraints.
They need their own show.
3 likesI agree. The JCS team are amazing.
16 likesRobert Hughes
10 likesI know right. I can’t watch documentaries anymore, haven’t seen a decent one in three years.
I agree so much. This is what we the people need and want.
7 likesSupa facts
2 likesnetflix is big corporate biz that seeks to brainwash their customers. mostly dark devil shows and war worshipping propaganda. JCS rocks and i'll probably become a patron.
16 likes@jason rhea Disney+ too! And Airlines!
1 likeFax
1 likeThat I will agree with Everytime! Jcs is actually informative , Netflix docs are more focused on the drama surrounding the murder or incident.
6 likesYes, I fully agree
1 likeRobert Hughes that’s what I’m saying. To make it on YouTube it has to actually be good content. Tv has to much filler content to make a time frame I find. No time frame to fill when it’s on YouTube. Also if the YouTube video doesn’t have a good first 5 min people click off.
4 likes@Robert Hughes Ikr. JCS is my favourite crimi channel on Youtube and absolutely the best in my opinion.
5 likesI just joined his patreon for one dollar, and theres like 27 more videos! Sign up, if you haven't already!
9 likes@suprcrzy I signed up months ago lol but thank you
2 likesAny documentary that has music in it I know will be rubbish and I turn it off.
3 likesi agree!
0 likesIt's the research and analysis that really makes this channel great; it's become a Lockdown guilty pleasure for me.
4 likesTrue
0 likes+1 brother
1 likeNo overly dramatic music, no uneccesary repetitions or cwhaz happens next"-narrations. Just the case with all the details laid out with the available evidence in a concise manner. It couldn't be better
6 likesI feel like they play out a lot like Sword and Scale, it’s really nice bc a lot of times I wish I could see the interrogations played on Sword and Scale.
1 likeI agree! The narrator is soooooo cool!
1 likemccowaniii naw he needs to stay on YouTube or it’ll get plagued with commercials and guidelines he’d have to follow for tv networks, YouTube is the best place for this channel
2 likes@truth atlast calm down
0 likesSame
0 likesSo true ! I'm loving them & can't click on fast enough when I get a new notification.
1 likeSo true! I agree, JCS shows all the evidence, videos, paperwork, etc. available to the public. Amazing work!
1 likeEhh they're okay. I find them kind of boring prefer the crime watch daily documentaries
0 likesIf it was on Net Flix this show would be called, "Good Criminal/ Bad Criminal" or "Words & Weasel's in a Pig Sty" I don't know but every episode should have an ambigous ending I reckon.
0 likesPlus he has a good narration voice! It actually puts me to 💤 😴
2 likesLit , I just put a doc on Netflix and turned it off so boring and long winded !!
1 likeThey indeed are
1 likeYep.. great vids👍🏻
1 likeAgreed brother
0 likesThe best part is the narraters voice! It puts me to bed everytime!
0 likesRight!?! I have been bingeing ever since I stumbled upon the case where the Asian woman plotted to have her parents killed.
2 likes@Teezy Peezy Sameeeee. Youtube algorithm on point with this recommendation
1 likeAnyone knows who is the commentator?
2 likesMe too
0 likesRight? I wish there were endless documentaries of his. I’ve been hooked since I found this channel which was last night and have been through 4 already. Not ashamed, lol.
2 likesDitto!
0 likesIt’s the writing, the structure, and editing.
1 likeAlso the narrator is really good. It’s a voice that keeps you engaged, his tone and pronunciation are perfect. His inflections are perfect.
The narrator is the exact opposite of Chills’ trash ass.
Netflix aim for wider market. JCS is good but the content and its delivery is a bit niche.
0 likesI didnt justify things, just a speculation on why Netflix crime shows are shallow.
Totally agree. The reason these videos are better is because they are not so much about the crime and how it was uncovered etc but about the Psychology of the criminals, which is truly intriguing
2 likesI found this channel by fluke and now I'm hooked.
1 likeTrue as fuck
1 likeYes.
0 likes*than
0 likesThe Fall is a good Netflix serie if your interested . One to watch 🙂
0 likesBeing better than Netflix is no challenge, Netflix exists only for the purpose to take over people during conventional TV. These people who thinks they"want to have choice" and they are fed with agendas all the time.
0 likesBut yes this LCS guy does great work
@mccowan3rd yes! he does need a show 😭
0 likesAbsolutely. I just discovered yesterday and he had me hooked and subscribed after 5 mins.
0 likesThis is his "show". Support JCS by joining his patreon.
1 like@keller70 true! All mainstream media is propaganda.
1 likePunching the air rn
0 likesRIGHT?! I love how they explain the psychology behind it too! Nothing feels over done to make the case more appealing, it's just pure education and does a great job keeping my attention on the case! I freaking love this channel, kinda hope it never changes <3
0 likesSetting the bar pretty low my guy
0 likesWhere are they now?
0 likes@Es I know I’m a little late, but the commentator’s channel is Kizzume, and it’s linked in the description of every JCS vid!
0 likesCos he just lets it flow with few interruptions other than occasional explanations and doesn’t jump cut with stupid reenactment closeups and tearful interviews that jar you out of the events of the scene to try to get you to have an emotional response to the survivors
0 likesDarn I was hoping to see the 9.9k turn to 10k when I gave this comment a thumbs up.
0 likesFucking agreed most Netflix documentaries are garbage and I imagine only old ass men watch them
0 likesAgreed, just footage, limited commentary of just facts and techniques ...and none of that constant f*****g recapping!
0 likesGlad I'm not the only one that watched them over and over...... 👍👍❤🙂
1 likeForreal. Netflix shit go off on tangents and don't use as much real footage as these videos do.
0 likesSame here
0 likesI was bored of Netflix documentaries after a couple of good ones and now am binge watching this channel
1 likeSome of them are good. White house murders is good,
0 likesThese are on you tube brides in the bath.
Hhhomes murder Castel.
Ed gine.
If I think of more I'll edit it :)
I stumbled on to these a couple days ago, and I am additcted!
0 likesThey’re cute, built good.
0 likesReal footage, minimal and only necessary narration, well organized timeline, no flashy Hollywood drama crap = Great content
0 likesthat is a fact
0 likesShould put him on Netflix and pay em
0 likesYep, damn right.
0 likes"I really didn't think this would be a murder charge," - guy who fired ten shots into the car next to him
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and says the other car had a “shotgun” or w.e
1 likewith multiple people in the car. Just mind blowing.
1 likeAnd he kept firing as they drove away
1 likeI really feel that Rhonda dodged a bullet in every sense of the word when he did this. I feel terrible for that kid and his family
2 likesChannels like this with no useless filler and just informative content is rare.
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omg and no snazzy copyright free music, I didn't even notice until I read this comment
0 likesdo yall have any other channel recommendations? I've hit a drought as far as youtube content goes which is why I'm back here 😂
0 likes@Codswallop :/ usually JCS inspired content works well! Idk. I’ve heard a lot of different things about JCS, one about how they realized how popular the videos got and that they could make more money on a different platform, so I’m not too sure if they’re coming back. Idk how true that is, but I think there’s more info on reddit
0 likesHis poor wife. I can't imagine how difficult it must have been for her to essentially testify against him. She did the right thing and is very pure of heart
17 likesQuotes from this dude: "They were thugs", "They're violent", "I'm the victim".
4330 likesAlso this dude: Drives drunk, stops at gas station to buy more booze, starts a verbal altercation with teenagers and then commits murder
Everything this man assumed about his victims was actually projection.
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Nice strong dash of racism as well
300 likes@Connor S In this case, as well as in the Michael Drejka case, it all starts with this class of people who think that they are entitled to break the law.
34 likesin the Michael Drejka case, it was the selfish woman who parked illegally (in a handicapped spot), and in this case, the thugs blasting music in close proximity of others trying to enjoy their own lives, but cannot, due to these people who have NO place in civilized society. And, when others try to defend themselves, or try to ask the miscreants to stop breaking the law (i.e. illegal parking, illegal noise violation), they are the ones who end up in prison. Society in these here United States of America, has become unbearable over time, due to this unfortunate evolution of society into one where one particular class of people makes life miserable for others
@Rand Paul2024 what are you talking about. He shot at them because of his twisted reasons
86 likes@lucci's simp Did you watch the whole video? He said they were being thuggy and threatening him. He was afraid for his life.
4 likes@Timmy Vawwter playing loud music isn't a crime. but the white dude was literally in the middle of committing an actual crime (drunk driving) when he shot at the kids
120 likes@Emily Hannon Why do you say I am white? 🤔
5 likes@Emily Hannon Playing loud music during the day can be illegal depending on what the laws state in your area. You should be able to discover what the noise laws are in your city without having to dig too deeply. Once you know the laws, you might be able to simply call the police to get things taken care of quickly.
4 likesActually, You're right, Emily. You're right....Mr. Dunn's attorney screwed up in not mounting a defense of intoxication, although Mr. Dunn probably talked his way into a hole too deep for the lawyers to dig him out of, during his police interviews.
@Rand Paul2024 They were four innocent teens listening to music. There are comments which explains his hatred and racism for black people. How was they being "thuggy" and threatening by sitting in a car and listening to music. Stop defending his shit
84 likes@lucci's simp You didn't listen to the whole thing. They threatened to kill him!
2 likes@Rand Paul2024 yes, he CLAIMS they threatened to kill him. He has one hell of a reason to sell that as a story. Does not make his claim credible or true.
83 likesAlso also this dude: *Beat his exes, pulled guns on them, and forced one to sleep with strangers in a swingers' club*
40 likes@Rand Paul2024 NO YOU DID NOT!!! Her was trying to lie and manipulate his way through this. The teens did not do anything but listen back, not once did they do anything " threatening" or "aggressive". Disgusting how you are blaming the victims and one that lost his life bc of this racist man. Stop defending racist people bc it says everything about you.
59 likes“I’m the victim” proceeds to continue shooting at the car as it drives away
39 likesTo be fair asking someone to turn their music down isn't starting a verbal altercation, but close enough
1 like@Emily Hannon Not everything racist is nazism.
4 likes@data the nazis took inspiration from Jim Crow laws and the treatment of Native Americans in the US. So defending anti-black racism IS actually nazism. You're welcome for the history lesson.
25 likes@Emily Hannon I'm not even gonna laugh, that logic is just straight up sad.
0 likes@Emily Hannon You really shouldn't get into politics if you can't even distinguish what things are
3 likes@data "uhhh akshually technically that's not Nazism 🤓"
25 likesYou're just being annoying, no one cares about the semantics you know what they meant.
@Luna It's not semantics, it's just simply not nazism.
1 like@Emily Hannon Please step far away from political conversations until you can figure out the difference between nazism and racism.
2 likes@data all racially segregated societies are operating under more or less the same principles; yes, the nazis were very overtly fascist, but as Frantz Fanon said, "What is fascism if not colonialism when rooted in a traditionally colonialist country?"
11 likes@Ash Lee. The guy in this video is a pos, no question. Those were innocent kids.
4 likesI would hesitate to use a racist statement in protest of racism in such a general way.
@Emily Hannon
8 likesSo you are saying it is ok to have a problem with someone based solely on the color of their skin? How is that not racism?
You don't live in a white supremist society at all by the way, that is just silly.
I can tell you are full of hatred and that makes me sad. The fact that you would hate people for their complexion because you feel as though you have been mistreated would be the same as the abused happily becoming the abuser and trying to justify it with claiming to be the victim afterward.
I would never be an asshole to anyone because of their skin color, I just couldn't imagine that. It sounds to me like you feel justified in being mean to people because of their skin color. That makes you no better than any white supremist that you could find.
There are shitty human beings on all sides, that much is clear. Congratulations on helping keep racism alive. I hope you don't ever hurt anyone.
@Sapporo Ichiban stop playing the victim, no one has ever victimized you for being white. i'm a white person myself. how can i be racist against myself ?
13 likes@LeaveBritneyAlone what are you talking about
0 likes@Rand Paul2024 he clearly stated that he didn’t know if they were singing or mouthing that so your statement is actually false. You should rewatch the video.
3 likes@Sapporo Ichiban except it's not racist to point out the power that white people have and the ways that this unfair power dynamic affects black people. people like you who call basic sociology "racism" is what's causing racial tension.... maybe try listening to where people might be coming from instead of getting so offended?
10 likes@Emily Hannon You seem to think that people with a certain skin color should feel guilty for things they have not done and they need to accept the fact that people should be allowed to hate them for things they have not done. That is utter stupidity.
9 likesThe citizens of Asian descent are doing the best economically in western society, there is plenty of white poverty in many places.
There are no laws on the books that afford rights or deny them based on race, period.
There was a time where this was not the case but that is not so now. Your theories are based on feelings and your expectations of people are unrealistic.
You mention sociology. Am I to understand that you believe a race of people are feeling insecure about another races confidence and so that justifies an adjustment through any means, up to and including mistreatment?
The only thing I am finding offensive is the possibility that people who espouse these beliefs are misleading people. You don't improve the confidence of one group by destroying another or labeling them as the oppressor, all that serves to do is start a fight, which people like you may well do.
I think you should do some research and stop feeling like conflict will give the desired result. I also think someone has convinced you to chase ghosts. I have noticed that racism has not even been a hot topic until it became a useful tool just recently. Make you a deal, stop saying that racism is justified and I will stop being offended.
@Emily Hannon
5 likesI have a feeling that the mental gymnastics are going to continue, so I think it should come to a conclusion.
I am just going to leave it at this. There are no laws that are giving advantage to anyone because of their race.
I responded to you because you say you are angered because you figure people are being place into a group and mistreated based on skin color and your solution is to use that to justify placing people into a group and mistreating them based on their skin color.
Sounds pretty stupid hey? And now you are going to actually try and argue that point? I would abandon that crazy shit asap.
@lucci's simp That is what bigots do the best. Just that the ogre that assaulted the teenage girls at that smoothie shop. A lot of the comments were siding with him because his son had an allergic reaction. Telling someone not to add peanut butter to something is totally different from telling someone you have a peanut allergy.
0 likesRight! Honestly the privilege and entitlement shows when he asked them to turn there music down. Get over it. If you didn’t want any problems you’d just let them be , got your wine and moved on.
4 likes@Rand Paul2024 you’re obviously a troll lmao
5 likes@zer 0 Okay and what relevance does this have? May I ask
0 likes@Sapporo Ichiban we don’t live in a white supremacist society…?😂😂😂 funny joke bsf
6 likes@Emily Hannon I'm thinking RandPaul's statements are sarcasm. But still, it struck me when he kept saying "I feared for my life." That seems to be the go-to phrase used by people who murder innocent victims now.
5 likes@Rand Paul2024 with the gaslighting again 😂. You don’t know anything about me to say that. My mom is white and my dad is black. I don’t see my dads side of the family because he doesn’t feel it’s right for me. So i’m left to see my white side of the family who I love more than anything in the world. I also go to a predominantly white school and have a bunch of white friends who I hold very close to my heart. Don’t assume without the knowledge 👀. And to second. It’s weird how you’re defending a man who killed innocent teenagers who didn’t even have a gun with them. He played the victim card and if you fail to realize that, you’re the common denominator here. No one’s racist or has hate for white people and you can’t see that. It’s no one’s fault but yours 😂
5 likes@Sapporo Ichiban Idk what “Your government” Is but i do not define myself along with the uneducated and overly sensitive mainstream media.
2 likes@Anthony That's fair. To be honest, you didn't give me a lot to go on and I did make some assumptions.
2 likesAgain, there are not any laws that I am aware of that sway anything in favor of one race over another. That is the basis of a societies structure.
By all means, you are free to call me names all you wish if that is how you roll. I am quite satisfied with my speed, lol.
I would suggest that if you believe something is true and wish to be convincing, you may want to validate your argument with some facts. At the end of the day, you are right, I doubt either of us truly care what the other thinks.
@Rand Paul2024 and you believe that?
1 like@Anthony Your black family doesn't tolerate you but your white family is accepting and loving? Why does this scenario sound so familiar... 🤔
1 like@Rand Paul2024 no my dad doesn’t want me meeting them because they are not in a good place right now, not because of me
4 likes@Sapporo Ichiban dude. Your way above these people. Let them go.. some people are a lost cause
5 likes@rexthedog You are right, I should probably just stop. You likely saved me a lot of frustration. Thank you.
5 likes@Sapporo Ichiban I don’t know you’re hard to navigate, I guess I can give it to you
1 like@Anthony Not entirely, I do understand what you were saying, there are individuals who are terrible people such as the guy in the video.
1 likeI just wanted to say that there are good people as well and we can't let emotional situations that challenge us, turn us into people we wouldn't like. I really do wish you well.
Y’all know he is trolling everyone
0 likes@goodwill lover How dare he ? The teens even put the music down as requested. They were in their own car - it was a temporary situation. He’d been drinking and looking for a fight. I think he shot absolutely deliberately. Heart breaking.
4 likes@Timmy Vawwter you accuse these 2 men of stereotyping, while you stereotype them, as this "class of people". Hypocrite. The two Michael's were wrong, their thinking is wrong. However you can stereotype anyone. Try seeing them as 2 individuals. It is not like they represent most crimes.
0 likes@Rand Paul2024 yeah HE said that based on the recounting of events from literally everyone else, that never happened
1 like@Isis Smith I have looked up the word racism. It doesn't mean what you think it does. 👍
0 likesAll true, Emily. All true.
4 likes@Rand Paul2024 troll.
1 like@Rand Paul2024 he doesn’t say anything it’s his actions that do the speaking I believe there’s definitely a stigma attached to his crim!
0 likes@Rand Paul2024 Please read the letters that he wrote to his family during his time. Just search up 'michael dunn letters' and read every one of them. He's a racist, and this 17 year old died because of racism.
6 likesWell said ✌️
0 likesthis comment section, i swear to god..
0 likesSounds exactly like what a narcissist does...
1 likeSorta like you assume ex he was drunk 🤔 like you’re projecting he as an alcoholic
0 likes@Emily Hannon lol love how you’re projecting your own brand of racism
1 like@lucci's simp lol how do you know Paul is whit????
1 like@lucci's simp(I know this is an old comment, my apologies) well I'm not gonna say this guy wasn't racist bc it's always possible. But he didnt actually say anything racist, thug music is very much a thing and is listened to by all races (some more than others). Without assuming he's racist, it's way more likely that hes just a drunk, violent, narcissist who just happens to be white. And the kids listening to this "thug" music happen to be black. I'm pretty confident someone like this would do this no matter the race. Again, not saying he isnt racist. Just saying it is pretty rash, and quite frankly a step back in the progression of race equality, to assume he's racist just based on the fact that it is a white on black crime.
1 like@Dead_Chicken when he was speaking to his wife, Rhonda he still mentioned they were violent and showed no signs of remorse or regard. He portrayed himself as the victim and associated “ thugs and loud music” with these black teens. He thought he got himself to be the victim because they were black and targeted them. It was definitely a form of racism here and his disrespect to these black teens was disgusting and adding to your fact that he was drunk too showed his truce colours. I understand our point and where this is coming from but here it shows he was definitely racist 🤷♂️🤷♂️
0 likes@Ryan A okay💀 the person I was speaking to was definitely white and ignorant. Not all white people are like that. All the replies and the comments saw his ignorance and his utter disrespect. Stop focusing on such trivial matters and focus on the racism and disrespect these four black teens faced leading to a death.
0 likes@thurston4mor And the teens are still the victims
0 likesthats it summed up
0 likesIt's always projection with these people. Pathetic
0 likes@Sapporo Ichiban our legal system extends far beyond the “laws on the books”.
2 likesIf you’d like an example of how our society continues legal oppression of others you can read up on the average sentences given to people of different races for the same crimes (hint: black people are sentenced for longer for the same crimes than white people on average).
You can also read up on policing and arresting bias that looks into whether arrests are proportional (eg. white and black people use marijuana at the same rate but black people are much more likely to be arrested for it).
Or perhaps you’d like to learn about how long ago it was legal to discriminate against non-white people who were trying to move into a neighborhood and what happened to many of the non-white neighborhoods after it was made illegal (hint: many were bulldozed for highways, parks, stadiums, etc.)
@OopsAllFrench I live in Canada so it is far different.
0 likesI would be interested in where you find your statistics though.
I do seem to remember the current American vice president allegedly being implicated in a prisoner labor ring where she was increasing sentences for minor offences and pimping them out as slave labor while she was serving as attorney general of California. She is a woman of color, right? I would site that as a potential incident where we would agree that the system was misused if true. I do believe it can happen, I am a bit of a sceptic when it comes to the idea the laws are designed for it.
Anyway, I would be interested to see the stats and all the circumstances such as how many offences occurred before the one we are looking at which could impact a decision for appropriate discipline. Also, I think it is fair to consider time period as well. We should be talking about current events as the nation has changed quite a bit, at least it was headed in a preferable direction.
I wouldn't suggest that racism does not exist individually, unfortunately, I am hearing it used commonly in arguments completely unrelated to race in any way all the time, which diminishes the meaning. I would suggest that I am not going to become emotional and jump on the bandwagon of racist laws and government structure in this day and age. If it does occur, it is not the intent of the system and is corruption in specific instances.
Racism is unacceptable, which is why I treat it very seriously. That is why I am careful to reject the notion when it is unfounded, misused in order to push an agenda, used as coercion to garner agreement, or used in ways that intentionally creates division and actually breeds more resentment which could result in racism. I find it just as repulsive as other crimes against people which is why I want to make damn certain that I am correct when condemning someone.
In his defense, they were playing auto tuned, mumble rap. Yuck! 🤣 (And, everyone knows it’s open season on Dodge Durangos. But it did have nice rims 🤣).
0 likesLiterally, all it was, was some buddies listening to music and getting something. Insane
1 like@Timmy Vawwter "I think the problem is the people playing loud music, not the murderers who feel entitled to the position of judge and executioner."
3 likes@Rand Paul2024 Can you explain what 'being thuggy' is, exactly? Since it's grounds for execution apparently, it feels like we should probably be specific
1 like@Rand Paul2024 Was he afraid for his life when he stood, aimed, and fired the last 3 shots into the vehicle rapidly speeding away? Can you explain exactly how that was 'for his safety'?
0 likes@data You really shouldn't get into, any thing scientific, if you don't understand that some things in the world are connected lmfao
1 like@Garrett Goetz look in the mirror, stop projecting.
0 likes@data ok, have fun in Algebra II tomorrow lmfao
0 likes@Timmy Vawwter are you trying to say that because they were blasting music, those kids had a more justifiable death. Does it make the murderer… less a murderer? I would hope not.
2 likes@Rand Paul2024 really, Rand Paul 2024? We're playing make believe now?
0 likesOk.
@Timmy Vawwter Michael Drejka parked illegally himself to berate a woman who parked illegally
1 like@Timmy Vawwter if you have to shoot someone because of music wow
0 likes@Emily Hannon he’s trolling don’t listen to him
0 likes@Timmy Vawwter year seriously, how is that Drejka and Dunn are the ones who end up in prison when the woman was the one who illegally parked and the kid was the one in the car with loud music, and all the white dudes did was END THEIR LIVES….. the injustice. The people who thought they were entitled to break the law were the armed white men who made these situations into their own business…… I mean unless you didn’t watch the video it’s plain as day how often this man lied AFTER what he did cause he knew it was wrong…..the group of people ruining for everyone else, European Immigrants (white people)
2 likesdriving drunk is hella based lmao
0 likes@Rand Paul2024 funny you're taking his words at face value, and not the fact that he murdered someone and doesn't want to get in trouble
1 like@Timmy Vawwter But they were parked there and Dunn parked next to them. Witness 6? 7? they play the clip where he didn't park next to the kids because he didn't like the loud noise. Nice try to blame the victims though.
2 likes@Timmy Vawwter 🤨
0 likesStand your ground.
1 likeI can't stand society and its sensitivities. The music was the problem and with dancing fool to add to it. People push on people's liberties until there is a beef. U people got the race thing rite
@Timmy Vawwter Class of people??? Ahhhh.....you are THAT type of person. Defending murderers....ffs
0 likesIf "I'm not racist but..." was a person
130 likesWhat happened that day is obviously a nightmare for so many people. I also feel sorry for Michael s son. It should have been one of the happiest days of his life. Now his wedding day will forever be associated with this senseless murder. Also, Michael states, idiotically, that he was "The Victor". How so? He's taken one life and ruined his own. Tragic and pointless.
11 likesI’m just so amazed at the outrage the officers are. They don’t even attempt to pretend to play good cop bad cop 😂 they’re calling him out on his bs and I’m here for it!
18 likes“I’m being charged with murder? Well that sucks.“. Damn ,what a heartless SOB. He murdered somebody’s CHILD. SMH 🤦🏻♀️ So sorry for that young man’s family. NO amount of yelling or arguing was worth his life. 🪦💔 RIP
10 likes"I'm the victor, but also the victim" is such a revealing phrase.
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781 likes@MKMW C are you ok?
3 likeshe knew they were listening. He was trying so hard lol
191 likesTo be fair, if he actually was in real danger, I'd understand, but... he's just a person trying to use self-defence as a reason for shooting kids he believed were thugs for... playing the music too loud.
367 likesPeople like these give self-defence such a bad name.
As soon as he said that I knew it was to do with black people.....
199 likesSounds like Trump talking about the election
85 likesHe "won" over an unarmed teenage boy
217 likesI didn't know Bob Vance Vance Refrigeration was such a cold guy. But I guess it makes sense
58 likes@A Spelling Error Sort of doubt that, I cant really imagine that type of language he used at the beginning of the video if it wasnt, at least, partly racism.
47 likes@A Spelling Error Even before they showed anyone, when I heard the term “loud music” I knew they had to be black. My heart sank when I found out I was right. I am extremely sure that if they were white, or if at least there was one white person, they would not have been shot at. It’s a sad and disgusting reality.
60 likesikr! I thought the same thing
6 likesIf u come to say that after killing a kid u have problems
16 likesWell put!
3 likes@Van 1:58 def was racist. That and the bite my ear off comment
31 likes"I've won but at what cost"
5 likesAlso that's not what he said
2 likes@Kim Kardashian Jong-Un bingo.
0 likesYeah you can really hear the guilt and remorse in every syllable /s
9 likes@IrishHoopers ok redditor
3 likesAll white dudes like him think this about themselves in literally any situation.
18 likesNot really. Not everyone shys away from conflict. So someone like that who's bullied and counters it with aggression/intimidation would say something like this. Police are trained to do this to control a situation. Like a bluff but your opponent would need to think you mean business (that's a goal) to convince them to reevaluate their position and deescalate the situation. Note: I'm commenting on the comment. Not the video itself or anything within.
1 like@Hugo Passmore what does this have to do w/ Trump? It reminds me more of Biden saying he doesn't want white kids going to school w/black kids bc it will be a racial jungle 🙄
10 likes@A Spelling Error He wouldn't have shot them at all.
3 likesThe supremacist mantra
1 likeYeah, as if this was some sick game, and these kids were his enemy...
5 likesIt’s stupid af is what it is
0 likesSaying he’s the victor is just so....out there. What kind of delusional narrative he painted where he thought he won some sort of Mortal Kombat?
12 likesIt doesn’t make sense like everything else that comes out of his mouth .
1 like@Miss Misfits that’s racially prejudiced, isn’t it?
4 likesHis ego and entitlement can't allow him feel he can be a victim. He has to be a victor always
2 likesVictim of his own impotent rage
3 likes@folou I think he was angry that they weren’t “respectful” to him. I don’t think the music was why he shot them. That was just a reason for the initial confrontation
6 likesRight.
2 likesAnd the fiancé was trying to get him to not talk about what happened over the jail phone, for a very obvious reason, but dumb dumb wanted to keep saying how he was the victim yet also the winner.
How dare anyone back talk HIM , the mighty victor . The poor Victim. He is emotionless . If I even hurt someone in error trying to defend myself I’d be racked with guilt
6 likes@Bwah Channel totally. The “thug music” was so disgusting. So sad
2 likesThought the same thing
1 like@A Spelling Error No, he wouldn’t have. I severely doubt that.
0 likes@BleedFromMyEarsBass lol bob vance … that’s perfect 🤩 i could totally see bob vance doing something like this.
0 likesIndeed
0 likesIt sucks when good men are forced into tough situations, do the right thing, and still get punished for it.
0 likes@Not Sure This guy did not do the right thing though.
1 like@Not Sure lol and he wasn’t forced into a tough situation. It was music. He could’ve parked elsewhere. Or ignored it like we tell young children to do. 🙄
4 likes@Hollywood Star Let ALONE if they're loudly broadcasting war music. Which is inherently what rap is in relation to whites.
0 likesWell if it was genuine self defence then that is accurate people do genuinely kill others justifiably in self defence but this case doesn’t seem like it
2 likes@MGS3Snake6 It's the best drug of all: responsibility.
1 like@Not Sure So are you just purposely ignoring all of the white rappers in history and the fact that one of the current biggest rappers, Post Malone, is a white man? Do facts really hurt your fragile ego so much?
3 likes@PinkDarkBoy No, I'm not ignoring anything at all. My worldview encompasses so much more than yours. I've forgotten more than you'll ever even hear about.
0 likesI won, but the game was rigged. Shoulda just live and let live
2 likes@JackBlackfan420 He was responding to death threats from extremely dangerous people.
1 likeThe dragon who sees himself as knight and damsel both.
3 likes@TyphoonZebra Doesn't apply. He's the hero where the victim cried foul.
0 likes@TyphoonZebra Wow. None of what you said matters in this case at all lol. AT ALL.
1 like@Not Sure Yawn, unfunny trolls are the worst kind
0 likes@Kim Kardashian Jong-Un not at all, mr internet psychiatrist
0 likes@Epoch of An Era absolutely. Transparently feeble attempt to manipulate the authorities. Pathetic.
0 likesThat’s narcissist language
0 likesWow, it’s amazing how someone can twist the phrase “I refuse to be a victim” into something disgusting, the way this D bag did. And it’s so obvious that he knew his prison call was recorded. He’s basically testifying his case to his fiancé on the phone. Not for her to hear though. But for whatever law enforcement is listening. To make himself sound believable.
16 likesThis man is a dullard. After listening to the first four minutes of his interview with the police, it was more than obvious to me that he was fabricating several points to simply appear more credible, capable and rational. He belongs in prison. Excellent.
16 likeswhat’s funny is that cops get away with killing civilians over “perceived threat” ALL THE TIME…but I digress
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Right!?!
1 likeIf playing music a little loud and talking a little bit of shit is punishable by death to this guy, I, and most of my friends would have probably died fifty times over when we were 16-19.
23 likesI couldn’t imagine being so pathetically insecure that you pull a gun on someone for talking back to you over loud music. I’d love to know how he settles his disputes in prison, I have a feeling people will be a lot less diplomatic than “are you talking to me”. And there won’t be a gun for his sorry ass this time.
Man, you can see Rhonda is absolutely devastated that she has to basically destroy her husband's alibi, but still she soldiers on and does it. I feel so bad for her.
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@sammygirl6910 well, all the more reasons to feel bad for her. And I'm also happy that she was able to tell the truth. Usually wives that go through that tend to protect their abusive husbands
319 likes@Kim Trotti Guys, this just shows why you don't get married. She'll throw you under the bus. And then a bunch of women on youtube will agree with her.
25 likesWhat an absolute trooper.
11 likes@Jazza BigHits I don't plan on murdering children so I think I'll be alright
322 likes@Kim Trotti I do honestly feel bad for her, hopefully she's doing better and knows she did the right thing.
49 likes@Jazza BigHits so you're saying you sympathise with the man who shot and killed a child?
100 likes@Jazza BigHits I agree with you half way, you just have to find the" right one" ,which is nearly impossible.
7 likesThey don't make women like they use to.
Can't be trusted ( not all)
I admire her strength and honesty.it seems all the good women wind up with the wrong guys, and vice versa.
*Ex fiance but yeah she did the right thing and I have so much respect for her because of that.
17 likes@SPIRIT13 THE1ST Y I K E S.
52 likesYeah what a gal. Wish I could find one that would divulge any and all info to cops and get me a 90 year sentence if god forbid I found myself doing something stupid like mike did . She is Definitely a keeper
5 likesBunch of supremacists in those comments
34 likes@William Campbell Yeah, but for a completely stupid reason.
2 likesI don't feel bad for her. She did the right thing! She has a real backbone, as opposed to her fiance.
12 likes@Non Ya so many USA women just don't get it. I do...and you do.
0 likes@Bare Yeelos you mean like at the Waukesha xmas parade?? Get real and get your facts right.
0 likes@Jazza BigHits Nah Rhonda is who you want on your team. Willing to give the truth even when it hurts. A good woman, even if her man is a piece of shit.
31 likes@Jazza BigHits looks like someone can’t get a girlfriend
20 likes@Henry Graybeal lol
1 like@Kim Trotti I feel bad for the parents who lost their child.
12 likes@Jazza BigHits michael dunn was not married to Rhonda
3 likesmichael dunn was not married to Rhonda
2 likes@Jazza BigHits “how dare you throw me under the bus after I murdered an unarmed teenager” um I think you’re just bitter about women
25 likes@SPIRIT13 THE1ST how did they use to make women? And who is they? Amazon? Santa’s elves? Are women assembled like cars?
28 likes@Costanza Constanza don't be a simp, I treat women very well,that's how I discovered their true nature,social media and camera phones have also brought behaviors to light.
0 likes@Kino Cartoon AMEN KINO
1 like@Costanza It's okay to say you don't understand loyalty or marriage dude.
0 likes@Bare Yeelos Imagine trying to race bait in a comment section of a youtube video. Go back to writing for Salon
1 like@Kino Cartoon Don't get with someone and then throw them under the bus dude.
0 likes@Henry Graybeal If my girlfriend ever killed someone, I wouldn't turn her in. I wouldn't purposely get myself in trouble as an accessory trying to hide her, but there's no way in hell I'd turn her in. She's murdered somebody else, not me. If she treats me well I don't care.
0 likes@Costanza Idk why you have to make this about gender? If she was the murderer and he turned her in, I'd have a go at him for throwing her under the bus too.
0 likes@Sam Kostka That's more of an extreme case scenario. What if she catches you doing something accidentally like you accidentally put something in your bag/pocket and forgot to pay for it? Then she goes up and tells them you're a thief or stealing? Yeah, I'm good without a partner that throws me under the bus.
0 likes@N H No, I'm saying even Hitler had a wife who didn't turn him in for war crimes. I guess marriage doesn't mean much these days...
0 likesShe chose him, and was with him for 4 years. She knew exactly who he was.
1 like@Jazza BigHits really? he does a crime? and you blame the wife for telling the damn truth? if she covered for him, she would be facing jail time, why should SHE suffer for him?
16 likes@Amelia Bee No, I didn't. I mentioned people getting thrown under the bus after getting married. In this particular case, it was by a woman. Gay marriages most likely end with guys getting thrown under the bus too
0 likes@Amelia Bee She probably didn't expect him to get such a stiff sentence. The shooting was pretty borderline and could have been justified. I think probation would have been appropriate in this case. It is too bad the aggressive sentencing ruined their relationship they seemed like they had a pretty good relationship going.
0 likes@Jazza BigHits EXACTLY!
1 like@Jazza BigHits troll
2 likes@Jazza BigHits incel
3 likes@Walczyk 1/10
1 like@sammygirl6910 Bravo! Great comment 👏🏾👏🏾✌🏾
0 likes@jaim haas Surely you're not doing a silly juvenile tit-for-tat, comparing two totally different incidents? Why would you allow yourself to be pulled so low as to bring that to the table? Please stick to the topic at hand. ✌🏾
0 likes@Jazza BigHits Hitler wasn't married to Eva Braun, and she didn't tell on him because she cowardly committed suicide along with Hitler, in the bunker they were hiding in! But how you could invoke his name into this conversation, and hold him up as some example for loyalty from his girlfriend, is stunning.
7 likes@jaim haas Compared to what you're full of, I'm good 👋🏽✌🏾
1 like@Chestine Johnson I'm pretty sure she could've reported him for war crimes at ANY point before they shot themselves in the bunker. The point is that one of the most disgusting/evil people in the world had a partner who didn't throw him under the bus.
1 like@Jazza BigHits 😐🤔😐
0 likes@Jazza BigHits say sike rn
1 like@xereeto SIKE
0 likes@Jazza BigHits I've heard enough. My child murdering rights deserve proper protection, even if they are virtually worthless!
1 like@Jazza BigHits Oh, you're not joking. Yeah I'd like to rescind those rights... she made the right choice.
1 like@James Nnabuihe LOL
0 likesSuch a brave woman, I'm glad she betrayed her friend; we need more women like her around - GIRL POWER!!.
2 likes@jougetsu bad take
0 likes@Jazza BigHits when has marriage been about helping the other slither away from facing consiquenses of their horrible actions? If my wife killed some grown-ass adult for self defence, I’d stay by her side until the end. But killing a unarmed child cause of over-reaction? No fuckin way
6 likesAnd stop comparing Hitler to this case because you obviously have no idea what tou talking about
@Jazza BigHits ok nice guy
0 likes@Jazza BigHits wtf man
0 likes@therealslimsadie I'm not very nice dude
0 likes@Jazza BigHits “you shouldn’t get married because you won’t be able to be a sociopath and murder people because she will tell the truth about you” wow you’re such a good person
4 likes@Jazza BigHits then your a horrible person. Period. If your significant other murdered someone and you don’t go to the police or urge them to go ur just as wrong and evil as them.
0 likes@Aria jackson Grammar aside, you're entitled to your opinion dude.
0 likesI'm no coward, I'll jump under that bus without anyone's help!
0 likes@Jack Jackkara LOL
0 likesnot husband* Fiance
0 likesShe is scared, but it could be argued that she realized he was fucked and decided to be honest, not out of sympathy for the boy who died, nor for the reason of justice... it could be argued her honesty was actually self-preservation... if she would have lied at that point or confirmed his story... and later found out that she was lying... she could be charged too with hiding or obscuring evidence no?
then again, she could be simply telling the truth for the sake of the truth, and maybe she does feel bad about the death.
@Jazza BigHits sir you are currently defending a murderer in the name of misogyny that is insane
0 likes@Emma Anderson Nah, check my other comment on the JCS inspired video where the guy reported his girlfriend (the teen emo thrill killer). I specifically commented the boyfriend threw her under the bus, and it got pretty much no response. Seems people just like to make things sexist or cause a divide when there isn't one these days, which is unfortunate.
0 likes@Jazza BigHits you are the one making things sexist? sorry i don’t blame the woman here for telling the truth lmao and i haven’t watched the video ur talking about but if the bf just told the truth then he is in the right. if u wanna say ur not a misogynist whatever idc. ur still weird asf for saying that a witness helping a murder be brought to justice is them throwing throwing the murder under the bus
0 likes@Jazza BigHits basically im telling u that regardless of gender it’s fucjing insane that ur defending a murderer
0 likes@Emma Anderson Like I said, I made LITERALLY the exact same comment on another video, saying the boy threw his girlfriend under the bus. If you're in a relationship with someone, don't throw them under the bus lol. I guess some people just don't understand loyalty these days. Please don't get married Emma. Have a good day though :)
0 likes@Emma Anderson As an Australian, I have to vote or I get fined. As for reproduce, do you mean sexually, as in have kids? Because technically my skin cells/brain cells/etc reproduce quite often.
0 likesLol I feel sorry for your boyfriend. You should really try to stay out of relationships if you don't understand loyalty.
@Costanza Check the video "emo teen thrill killer" and i note how the boyfriend throws the girl under the bus too. Nothing about gender, it's about loyalty.
0 likes@Jazza BigHits the way that they've explained the point to you so many times and you still have the audacity to miss it
0 likes@average gamer The way I've commented the same thing on other videos (including the teen thrill killer one) saying the BOYFRIEND threw the GIRL under the bus, but nobody called me sexist or anything for that. But people still have the audacity to think it's about gender or something. Loyalty>all
0 likesRhonda seems to be a loving, innocent and honest person. She had the strength to tell her part without covering or lying. God bless her and r.i.p to the young man in this senseless trigger happy violence.
16 likesSome high schoolers are having fun, listening to music in their car at a gas station: "My life was in danger"
21 likesAlso adding: "Cracker" to your story at trial is disgusting.
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Bro what does he think this is? 1997?😂😂 No one uses "Cracker" as a derogatory phrase for white people anymore. It's so corny. But that's literally the only word he could think of🤦🏽♂️
1 likeIt’s amazing how brave people are with a gun. Take away his gun, I’m willing to bet my left nut the music wouldn’t have been a problem. He somehow thought, I run these streets at this very moment because I have a gun in the glove compartment. He’s been waiting for this Moment all his life. He’s even practice how he would shoot. Clear case Of shooting unarmed people because you have a itch. Best place for him is to be in jail in general pop.
3 likesHis neighbour said Michaels previous relationships told him that Michael was physically and mentally abusive towards them. His neighbour also said Michael had tried to solicit a hitman through him
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Yep, I believe that. I mean, how does a man who is so entitled he shoots at teenagers for their music not be an abuser at home? God, I can only imagine what his wife, ex fiance, and children have gone through.
8 likesSource?
0 likes"I didn't know I was being charged with murder... That sucks." His lack of empathy for the kid he just killed is stunning. All he cares about is whether he can bond out.
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Well some people lack human emotion and empathy who is sad but you can’t do anything about that as some people think different ways and have beliefs that regular humans don’t and won’t understand
23 likesReally sucks that I mag dumped in some kids car... and killed someone, probably would have done that differently.
46 likesI'm not sure really. If I accidentally fly killed someone I probably at first would be worried about spending rest of my life inn prison too.
1 likeSee. I cant do anything g about the guy I accidently killed. But my life is still here.
So first few days in custody I probably would be thinking more about myself than anyone else incl. Victim.
That is, if it was genuine accident. If I acted hot headed and as result so.eone dies, I'd at first probably would be asking to lock me up for life. I assume.e it's just easier mentally to get punishment, easier to cope with horrible thing I just did... kind of, closure for myself... not sure if I could live knowing I just killed someone..
@mlc rip There is something missing in you.
5 likes@Marisel Lopez You don't value black lives?? That's horrendous!
7 likesmlc rip Right, but it very obviously wasn’t an accident
1 likeSteven Baker when they said we* I think they were just talking about general actions of the country, so since he’s part of the country he would say we* whether he is part of those actions or not.
0 likesHe thought he would be able to too, easy peasy ya know.
0 likesHe needs a drink during this😵😵🍺🍺🥃🥃🥃🥃🥃🥃🥃
0 likesI hope for safety for everybody. Rest In Peace Jordan 💗 quick thinking Stormy, I hope you and your friends get help to proses what happened to you so that Dunns actions don’t plague you forever 💗
2 likesI'm all for Carrying a gun to protect your loved ones and yourself, however this is a perfect example of what NOT to do.
25 likesA pretentious, Self Centered, Princess...
Under the influence of Alcohol, inserts himself into a situation that was there FIRST!!! Then, has the audacity to tell people what HE doesn't like....
He gets told exactly what he SHOULD HAVE been told, gets his feelings hurt, then shoots and kills someone because of it,
He then tries to make himself out to be a victim. 👍
Yea..... This guy EARNED every Year he was given in prison.
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1 likeSeeing people getting mad at the wife for "snitching" have me questioning whether they're okay with a guy willing to kill people over the volume of music you're not going to hear for more than 5 minutes, get off with no charge. Like how is telling the truth while heartbroken "snitching"?
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That's just prison and gangster talk anyway. Civilians are supposed to "snitch".
0 likesThe fact that he actually thinks he's a victim is just mind boggling....
8 likesDunn killed that boy the night of his son’s wedding. His son and daughter-in-law will have that to think about every anniversary. No mention seemed to be made that he was probably drunk at the time. Condolences to the victim’s family and friends. Such a senseless murder.
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@BenTramer Yes, his fiancée said he had rum and Coke, maybe 3-4 I think she said. As we watched the interrogation and trial details, no mention of this as one of his many issues that contributed to the incident going down the way it did.
13 likeswhy would it matter if he were drunk or not? and it’s not about his son and daughter-in-law, it’s about the innocent young boy who was murdered
51 likes@232 432 no, drunken people are held far more accountable than not. If you are drinking you’re expected to be extra careful in everything you do, and if you aren’t then you face incredible consequences
30 likesOnly 3-4 rum and cokes, who the fuck gets drunk off of 3?
17 likes@The Big Enchilada Legally drunk vs. blitzed is what I was wondering about. I wonder if the reception venue could have been held partly responsible. Just making small talk, friends.
11 likes@sweetstormz Dram shop law - look it up and try to understand, genius.
7 likes@tmUSA I’m just laughing at the fact that you think it’s worth pursuing at all. Like, the man is old as fuck. Let him accept responsibility for his needless actions, please.
6 likesI literally watched the video. Thanks for summarizing?
1 like@sweetstormz It would be up to the victim’s family to pursue ADDITIONAL damages. It has nothing to do with an old murderer. He would rot in prison regardless. If somebody knows more about the case it would be interesting to know. That’s it.
1 like@The Big Enchilada people who aren't steady drinkers.
0 likes@sweetstormz at a bar, the bartender can say *enough*, no more drinks. Nobody at a party has to go along with that rule.
1 like@sweetstormz you think he's "old"? wait until you are his age. It won't feel like anything.
2 likes@Elixer except that didn’t happen, all witnesses testified in favor of the boys, the threat to kill, even if it did happen, wouldn’t have meant anything, the dude wasn’t armed. Did we watch the same video bro?
3 likes@watchgoose I shouldn’t even have to say this, but me saying that he is old as fuck, is basically me saying that he’s old enough to know better.
2 likesWhen I reach his considerable age, I won’t be serving time in a federal prison, because I know better. 😇
They mentioned what he drank. He wasn't drunk
1 like@GengarVenom doesn't matter on the amount and if he were "drunk". Any amount is considered inhibition. As soon as there were admission of imbibement, his ability to commit to lethal force was in question.
1 like@tmUSA the reception cannot be held for someone elses actions.
0 likes@watchgoose yes the bartender can say that.. but if you are adult enough to drink, hold a driving licence, carry a gun then you have to be responsible for your own actions...
0 likesHe killed a boy for no reason other than he was is arse and didn't like the music and has an over inflated sense of superiority and self righteousness.. with that the usual bullying ways...
Plus I guess as awful as it is I would not be surprised if the fact the lads were young and black affected his awful attitude and behaviour.
It's interesting he knows which windows we're up and down but does not remember how many were in the car ..
@Bluematchhead well said..
0 likes"turn the music back up"
0 likes'so you have chosen death'
@tmUSA he is an adult. the venue is giving alcohol to guests. nothing to discuss here. Would you blame the bartender of a pub for serving a guy two beers if he was 25 years old and paid for them, then went out and broke a store after drinking them? you are responsible for your actions , tipsy, drunk or totally fucked up. The only issue i would find logical would be if someone would spike your drinks with drugs ,but it is a fucking wedding. They just give normal drinks to guests and alcohol combinations.
1 likeThe person serving you can deny you further drinks if you are too drunk but i don't think that's a legal obligation that the venue can be held accoutable for. nobody forces you to drink. Also after a few cokes and rum you wouldn't see the guy swaying around and exhibiting signs of being drunk most likely( reason...well he seemed to do well in the talk, cocking a fucking gun, aiming and firing). Also, if you plan to drink and go to a wedding i'd say it is a good idea not to bring a firearm with you? just an afterthought. Why are some people so paranoid that they carry it everywhere? Does he think someone will jump him at his son's wedding or on the way home?
@The Big Enchilada people who aren’t alcoholics or binge drinkers like me
0 likesBless Rhonda who actually shows incredible bravery and humanity.
6 likesI couldn't be an interrogating officer. I would have my mouth hanging open and looking at this man in utter disbelief after this total mess of an interview. Poor Rhonda thinks this is her fault and he's a first class POS.
8 likesWhen he’s testifying on the stand he sounds proud. He can’t hide the excitement he feels about shooting at those kids. I’ve noticed in my life as a black person that white adults often perceive me as older than I was and attempted to hold me accountable as an adult when I was a child. It happened at school, at friends houses, in public places. I never considered that this form of micro aggression could be a symptom of a deeper hatred that could lead to me being a perceived threat and therefor deadly until I got older. It’s so depressing. I’m never having kids. This world is too disgusting.
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no one asked
1 likeLmao don't care
1 likeWhy are these replies so darn rude? Like get a life 😒 I’m sorry about what you’ve been through op, and I hope things get better! 👍
19 likesHave kids. Raise them right. Make sure they're awesome, then the world will be more awesome. Giving up isn't gonna change stuff. I know it sucks and it's hard but dont let the present unpleasantness rob your future of joy.
7 likes@Princc Elijah well nothing other than people CAN fix those things so I'm not sure what you're getting at. And what's stopping YOU from making your own little perfect rainbow utopia if that's what you believe? Or are you just like most leftists and only capable of raging and complaining and blaming everything that sucks about your life on others?
0 likes@Hanan Adem because ✨racism✨
3 likes@Adrian people are obsessed with that word, I don't like it. We shouldn't accuse eachother in chats, it doesn't help. Don't like those two comments either but for all we know these accounts aren't even real.
0 likes@Hanan Adem "This nigga is Clearly lying" ~ Dave Chappell
0 likes@Tom what you don’t like and what is a reality are two different things. At least 25 million people deal with racism in this country everyday. If you don’t fall in that category consider yourself very privileged or very ignorant/oblivious
0 likesIt's amazing how little he cared about what happened to the other people in the car as is evident at 43:46 when the investigator starts to explain the details of how lucky they were that 3 people didn't meet the same fate. This guy couldn't care less what happened to those "kids" as he puts it. It's very frightening that something like this could happen over something as trivial as the volume of a car stereo. What a sudden, violent, and terrifying end to this young man's life. I can't even imagine. So one moment, you're with your friends pulling into a gas station for cigarettes. Then the next moment, you hear yelling and then shots being fired and you get hit 3 times. The last things he probably ever felt were intense shock, terror, confusion, and pain. What a terrible way to have your life taken from you. He was 17, he didn't even get a chance to fully live yet. That's such a tragedy. All because some random guy didn't appreciate the volume or the type of music they were playing in their vehicle. How sad is that.
2 likesNot once did he apologize for his overreaction to killing a person over something as stupid as loud music.
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why would he apologize to people who threaten his life?
8 likes@angryengineering because he killed someone over "annoying music" (code word, probably racist). there were no weapons in the SUV of the kids. dunn claims he was threatened with a gun or a stick; the girlfriend says no such threat was made.
174 likesso even though he has all the reason to apologise, i wouldnt expect one - just like you dont -, because he's an unapologetic racist (and that's not a good thing)
@comrade wolf Well said.
27 likesSo if a group of thugs is threatening to kill you you just gonna sit there and wait whether they walk the talk? I would prepare myself to fight or flight as well.
6 likesand dont say "they dont have a criminal record" u dont know that in that moment.
the last thing coming out of my mouth is "im sorry U threatened my life and I took that serious"
IT WAS NOT THE LOUD MUSIC like u are saying.
the girlfriend was in the store and thus has no idea whether such a threat was made or not
@angryengineering tell me where the witnesses testified to this threat. other witnesses also testified to seeing no weapons. inspection of the SUV found no weapons. who is likelier to lie: a killer who would possibly go away for life, who could shorten his sentence by pleading self-defense, or the fiancee AND witnesses? it's clear which side is likelier to lie.
97 likesyour entire argument is based on the false premise that verbal threats were made by the other side. that said, you "would prepare yourself to fight or flight". you would not begin fighting right away and shoot without assessing the situation, unlike michael here.
and i also agree that it was not the loud music. i said it was pure and simple racism. you have missed my point entirely. i don't want to be rude, but your argument is both disrespectful and baseless, both of which are things i cannot stand. figure out how to read comments, and from there maybe you can progress to reading up the actual facts of this case.
@comrade wolf my point is that I dont agree with stephen dacey´s statement at all. It is completely wrong.
3 likesand to you I want to say:
"tell me where the witnesses testified to this threat." there 2 cars close next to each other why should anyone witness anything there
" inspection of the SUV found no weapons." they obviously could have just tossed their weapons away before reporting this incident. Also it is not whether they were armed or not but that they threathened him. This alone is enough for some people to take action and its not illegal.
my thoughts are that he lives in a rich people area and is not used to being threatened on his health + they look like typical thugs + he was on his own in a foreign area
@angryengineering and my point is that stephen dacey is correct in the important part; that firstly, michael dunn overreacted, and secondly, that he did not apologise. thirdly, the surface story is about the loud music when clearly it was rooted in deeper issues; the music was merely an excuse, if anything. however, that does not make stephen dacey's statement wrong.
46 likeslike i have spent a while trying to explain to you, michael dunn was not in the right and doing something like this would merit an apology. why? because dunn was a bloomin racist who murdered a seventeen year old boy. i have already explained to you that no threats were made, and no weapons were found. therefore, what excuse does dunn have? he was neither threatened nor shown a gun or a stick (as he asserted). so why SHOULDN'T he apologise? pray tell me where stephen dacey's statement is wrong in light of the facts i have explained to you.
@comrade wolf "Not once did he apologize for his overreaction"
2 likesim telling u it is not an overreaction if someone is threatening to kill you.
"killing a person over something as stupid as loud music."
its not the fking music but the threaths.
" no threats were made"
suddenly u urself are a witness? Seriously man not to be racist but u really think it is impossible for a young black guy filled with testosterone and no future to threathen a white grandpa who just told u to lower the volume? think again
@angryengineering he’s a narcissistic racist and if you don’t see the issue with this situation you probably share some character traits with him, which is why you are empathetic with him
86 likes@angryengineering if you can watch a full hour video of this man talking aswell as the witness testimonies, and you can’t tell he’s lying to cover himself, you either have absolutely no ability to think critically and read people, or you’re a lunatic like he is
56 likes@comrade wolf u dont get my point at all
1 like@angryengineering Everyone understands your point, we just don't agree with it..and neither does the court system, which is why this murderer is in jail.
64 likes@Lamech he should be in jail lmao. this is not my point. its the above statement
1 like@angryengineering bro he killed a kid and you’re defending the killer. Look at yourself.
56 likes@angryengineering You're defending the murder because the kids were threatening to kill him. You shouldn't respond to a vocalize threat with deadly force unless the threat is credible. This dude was obviously scared shitless from a car full of black teenagers because he's a coward and unfortunately for the kids they didn't know they were dealing with a psycho.
27 likesHe was irrationally afraid, and they weren't afraid enough.
I want to repeat myself: if a stranger gives u death threats and u prevent that, u should not apologize for it. I dont understand how u think this is some crazy thought. its basic logics 101
4 likes@angryengineering and 2….they found that no death threats were made…..he simply lied to build his character as “the victim”
29 likes@Bethany Akaraiwe BUT HE HAD NO IDEA THEY WERE UNARMED. He just parks his car, his wife got out and within seconds his neighbours shout "kill him". WTF
4 likes@Bethany Akaraiwe who is they and how did they find out? U seriously think the young guys just turn the music back up and that grandpa instantly shoots them?
2 likes@angryengineering you have about as much of a point as an unsharpened pencil
36 likes@angryengineering wow, this comment is loaded with supposition!
6 likes@angryengineering well that’s IS what happened. Seriously do you only trust your judicial system when all the black people go to jail? And no white person goes to jail? Jim Crow much!
17 likes@The Firm man i dont even know what to respond at this point so this will be my last comment. take care
3 likes@angryengineering so they threatened his life by playing loud music
19 likes@Jj rich🎵 All you have to do is look at his comments to tell that's true about him.
3 likes@angryengineering buddy they didn’t dump a weapon because as the detective says multiple times, “they never left the parking lot” there definitely ARE witnesses to back that statement up even if u don’t believe they can hear the yelling going on between the two vehicles beforehand
12 likes@angryengineering you know they proved they never said that......if the music was indeed that loud how tf did he hear them say ¨kill him¨ them???? Also if they were armed dont u think that was the first thing he would have told his wife
3 likes@Atomix117 exactlyyy they proved it so many times.......if the music was so loud how did he hear them say kill him.......it makes no sense. Micheal is just simply crazy asf and was just dumb enough to think that a gun would be the solution to loud music
5 likesNo no, he's a boomer, he didn't kill someone over music, he killed someone because he didn't get the respect boomers feel they are owed. They're like that.
6 likes@angryengineering why tf did he go out of his way to tell them to turn the music down????????? Couldn’t just mind his business as a grown ass man!!!???????????? They shouldn’t threatened him but he walked up to them??? The fuck? He could’ve just let the music b and call the non emergency police phone line and made a complaint asking for a cop out. Smh.
2 likes@kaizokuj what
1 like@angryengineering You don't know what to respond with because you have no credible argument and instead of admitting that, you're just going to not bother to continue doubling down.
5 likes@angryengineering look in the mirror. The criminal is in jail. A kid is dead. Yet you're defending the criminal and not acknowledging the fact that a kid is dead. You're ignoring evidence and forming your own narrative based on what? "He could've stashed the weapon" LOL how genius? With cops combing the scene you think they missed a tossed stick or gun? You need help.
5 likes@angryengineering You got the whole squad laughing, the circus awaits you
4 likesHey people are killing each other over masks so it doesnt surprise me. We are living in hell everyone
0 likes@angryengineering yea his trial seemed more political because it ended in a hung jury the first time yet the prosecuters went for a trial again
0 likesSeriously, his story contradicted itself repeatedly. First, the music was too loud to hear them and he had his window up. And yet he then clearly heard them threatening him, when he just stated he couldn't hear them. Well, which is it, Dunn? It can't be both.
0 likesThe witness testimonies match up with the teens' accounts, meaning the music wasn't that loud, because they were able to hear the encounter go down. Not once do the witnesses mention any threats on the part of the teens, but they did clearly hear Dunn say "Are you talking to me?" and "You can't say that to me" (or whatever it was he said exactly at that part). The witnesses aren't backing Dunn's version of events in the least bit. Why? Because he's a lying, self-serving POS who can't even come up with a coherent story. I mean, the bit where they were somehow coming out the door which never opened?
@angryengineering there's no proof they made a threat. The fact he's a blatant racist makes me not give him any benefit of the doubt.
0 likes@angryengineering hes drunk behind the wheel and youre defending him over the child who lost their life because you think they look like thugs
1 like@angryengineering " Not to sound racist " ....well u are
1 likeMan this thread is Gold! 🤣
0 likes@angryengineering this doesnt even make sense because those kids weren’t a group pf thugs? there was 3 kids in a car listening to music. You’re only saying “thugs” because theyre black.
0 likesThe crazy thing here is he might have actually gotten off if he had called a lawyer right away. He was clearly guilty, but if he would have said it the way he did in his courtroom testimony, who knows what would have happened. That’s just wild to think about. This dude might have been let go…
4 likesThe beginning where he’s talking on the phone from prison to his fiancé about he’s the victim is disgusting 🤮
8 likesThe mental gymnastics Michael Dunn’s performing is worthy of the Olympics.
“I really didnt know that I was being charged with murder and attempted murder… that sucks”
9 likesWhat a nonchalant and calm way to realize that you life is ruined.
Im the victor, but I was a victim too...
7 likesthis guy is unbelievable.
I feel so bad for Rhonda like you can feel the pain in her voice when she says it was her idea to go to the gas station, poor lady.
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It is often those with no real culpability who blame themselves, while many who are guilty have a hundred excuses for why their bad behavior was everyone else’s fault.
1307 likesI really hope she got help. It clear wasn't her fault. She seemed like a decent person just trapped in a bad situation with someone she loved. I'm glad she actually told the truth and didn't make up lies to get herself in trouble.
978 likes@irish Sinatra how tf was she in on it
58 likeswhat!!! I FEEL BAD FOR THOSE KIDS AND THEIR MOTHERS!!! THEY WERE SHOT AT AND THE 17 YR OLD DIED.....SHHHHHEEEESH PEOPLE!!
154 likes@VideoEtTaceo She didnt call the police after he told her he "shot a car" either. Telling the truth in court is the only thing that makes me feel better about them not charging her as an accessory after the fact
108 likesQuinten and JoAnn Klonowski exactly my thought all the comments are about rhonda as if a child didn’t die and his family has to deal with that
85 likesBut no sympathy for the actual murder victim?
60 likes@Caleb Gann I agree. I admire her strength and courage. So glad she got another chance. But devastated that young man had to lose his life over a piece of trash crying over loud "thug" music. I can't stand looking at and hearing this man, a waste of air is what I mean
94 likesAlso a very good question to ask by the prosecution. It is not that important for the crime commited, but it shows that Rhonda tells the whole truth and nothing but the truth, even if its painful for herself.
20 likeswhat about her telling the truth (i presume) about him not having told her about them having a gun, rather than covering for him, knowing that by telling the truth, she would incriminate him...
19 likesthat must have pained her.
@Memphis Bangkok If there was a scene in the video where the mother of the victim would talk and her voice would crack - people would feel a lot of empathy for her. So much so, they would probably shed a tear (I would). It's just, that we don't get to know the mother, other family members of the victim or the other boys. That's why just watching the video you wouldn't grow attached to them. That's very natural and nothing to insult someone about.
58 likesWhen I was a teenager, our history teacher put up a couple of short articles about historical events to introduce a new topic for the semester. There was one article about a dog that was shot into space. Another one talked about the death of 50000 or something adults and children, who had frozen to death while forced to cut a ditch or something like that. I don't remember precisly. Eather way, everyone in class was asking about the dog and whether he survived or not (he didn't) and how they where able to do such a thing to an innocent dog. So they where outraged about that story with the dog, but not about the one with the 50000 humans. But that was not, because they where "disgusting" as you say, but because they were not able to empathise with 50000 nameless and faceless people all at once. Which is actually human.
@JIKitty Well, it is also about not knowing all details of a situation they are evaluating. The story about the dog (it was actually she, not he) is heartbreaking, but the people who shot her out to the space were not heartless bastards. They were sorry for her and were remembering her with tears in their eyes after decades. She was not the only dog to die in that program, but she was the only one they knew for sure that was going to die. It was political decision - the USSR leaders wanted a living animal in the space earlier than USA. The scientists didn't have the way to bring the capsule back to the Earth yet, but politicians said: "Doesn't matter, we are doing it now." So the space program guys didn't have a choice (it was USSR, 1950s, disobeying could have meant something very ugly for that person and their family.) They chose the dog, they constructed mechanism that was to eutanize the dog after few orbits, so she didn't suffer. In reality something broke and she died due to stress and overheating, but that was an unintended accident. She was also a street dog cought on the streets and brought to the space program. She died an ugly death, but before the death she lived more happily in that space program than she would have on the streets. Also - had she survived the experiments (like some others dogs from the program) she would have been adopted to a family and have a nice rest of life. Therefore for the surviving dogs the space program was a good thing that happened to them and for all the dogs it was a chance for better life. So the story is more complicated and less clear if you tell it whole and not just in a shortcut on the beginning of semester.
7 likes@Vidalion Empathy is a double edged sword in this way. It's a heavy burden feeling the pain of others, I wish there were more people willing to share the load.
8 likesShe knew how he was and needed a way out. Their neighbors hated him and were glad she was rid of him. Not clear if he abused her but he did abuse in past relationships.
0 likesI could see that she was feeling that the poor kids death was on her head. I felt her pain. I pray for everyone right now affected by this tragedy.
12 likes@VideoEtTaceo I completely agree. she did nothing wrong but I also felt like she blamed herself for this young boys death. This man is true terrible person and he probably was mentally and emotionally abusive to her. I feel sorry for her. I hope she has moved in
10 likes@The Life of Mary D. TBF I probably wouldn’t have either if I was in the car with an angry man who just shot at kids for having their music too loud.
20 likesShe is just a sweet person. You can tell she deserves a kinder man.
7 likesThese course of events were tragic it cost someone their life but at least there’s one less racist in our society and instead rotting in prison. Tragic way to make progress, people have to die.
3 likes@Dana Davison "nimrod" :D he sounds boring alright.. but.. nimrod :D
0 likesShe blames herself but, he’s an unhinged maniac who would have done this anyway
4 likesThis dude would have done this sometime in his life no matter if she’d had the idea to get wine at the gas station or not... I agree poor woman probably blames herself. I just hope she knows that this man was a ticking racist time bomb... what a bigot. Casually killed and shot at young men in a car for playing loud music. Like bruh... the dude shot at people for playing loud music. HE WOULD GONE AFTER ANYONE.
12 likes@Tara Lamppa
3 likesTo be fair, that conversation was edited at that point, and it was actually her who started the conversation on what had happened by saying that she knows he's innocent.
She had 4 years to realize he's an arrogant, entitled racist punk and she didn't leave him. She only testified against him to prevent her own prosecution on charges of accessory after the fact. I don't see any redeeming qualities in her.
22 likesYea it sucks for her, but I really feel bad for those kids that were shot at and the kid that died
6 likes@Lord Northstar they don’t care and it’s sad
1 likeI like how people are attacking you for not giving sympathy for the victims even though you never stated that lmao
16 likesI felt so sad for the deaf child and his family.
0 likes@Quinten and JoAnn Klonowski these are the same people who believe a animals life would be worth more than a person of color.
1 likethe ultimate example of butterfly effect, one more dance one more drink, one red light or green light different along the way. life is truly wild that way
6 likesRight, you can tell from the get how broken up she is about this. Probably holds some fault to herself for the event. I'm just glad she spoke up. And kept speaking up
1 likeSomehow I think Mike blames her for what he did
0 likesImagine carpooling with your partner just going to the gas station to get some water just water no snacks no gas, and hear gum shots outside just to find out it was them and they killed someone.
1 like@Bob Loblaw fax
0 likes@Quinten and JoAnn Klonowski nobody said that what happened to the kids and their family was not a tragedy. He or she was just stating how the pain in her voice affected him
8 likes@Quinten and JoAnn Klonowski What if I told you that you can feel bad for more than one party at a time.
11 likes@The Life of Mary D. Let's be honest, she's the one who made him turn himself in. We all know he wouldn't have.
3 likes@Hannah Beine you can have empathy for two people at the same time hannah....
8 likesIkr
0 likesI think Rhonda fears, Michael I hope she has broke free since the prison call.
0 likes@Hannah Beine You're assuming that everyone who is talking about Rhonda is white. That in and of itself is kinda racist. Even if everyone who commented about Rhonda were white (highly doubtful), it makes sense that they chose to fixate on her. She did the right thing and testified against her monster of a fiance. Personally, I suspect that the relationship between the two of them wasn't anything near sunshine and rainbows. Also, because it needs to be said, the kid didn't deserve to die. This was yet another case of a man with an ego killing someone because he got offended. Recently, another man with an ego ended up shooting and killing a six year old child after the man's GF was flipped over for cutting a mother off on a highway. These types of men need to stop being allowed to buy guns!
9 likes@Hannah Beine you can feel empathetic for more than one person.
5 likesShe married him 🤷🏻♀️
0 likes@Hannah Beine "you white people" jeeeeeeezus.
12 likesHave never said "you black people" in my life and cried for the loss of that poor boy.
Way to widen the divide...
As well as assuming that everyone feeling sympathy for both people (or those feeling bad for that chick) are white.
I suppose they are only women too, that feel bad for her.
And only men feel bad for the boy, right?
Cos that's how it works? You only feel empathetic for people that look like yourself?
@Hannah Beine all I'm saying is just because you empathize with Rhonda doesn't mean you suddenly don't empathize with the person who was shot. There are comments epathizing with both of them. This one just happens to be about rhonda.
8 likes@Lord Northstar You might be surprised to learn this but some people can actually walk and chew gum at the same time.
3 likes@Cripple_King 🤡🤡🤡
1 likeShe's so sweet! I hope she's doing ok now
1 like@Hannah Beine - I’m not white and I feel bad for this woman. I also feel bad for the boy who died, for his parents, for his friends who had their youth ripped away from them by being forced to watch their friend die. Your comment doesn’t do anything to bridge the racial divide and is rife with assumptions that are unhelpful. Of course you can emphasize who whoever you want to but then so can everyone else.
5 likesShe is very fortunate she did not marry Michael Dunn. He has a hair trigger temper and kills over loud music and someone who does not comply with his demands. He eventually would be violent to her and others as well.
2 likes@Lord Northstar He did not deserve death for loud music and sass. Sympathy for his family and friends.
0 likes@miki minach well obviously we also feel horrible for them too. I feel terrible for everyone in this situation except the murderer. I even feel bad for his son, who had his wedding day be the same day his own father killed a kid.
0 likes@Lord Northstar sympathy for all.
0 likesIt’s so odd to see people say “but no sympathy for the victims??” Like no fucking shit OBVIOUSLY we feel horrible for them too. The families that were affected, the poor kid who had his life cut short, his friends and others who knew him, the boys in the car, the son who has his wedding day be a reminder that his own father killed a kid, the wife who has to be reminded that it was her idea to go to the gas station and blame herself even when she shouldn’t. Plenty of people were horribly affected by this. They all deserve sympathy, don’t think because someone is showing it for one of them means that they don’t care about all. That’s a stupid conclusion and way to think. The only one who doesn’t deserve sympathy is the murderer.
5 likes@Tara Lamppa that’s the moment I suspected he abused her
0 likes@Vidalion Ironic
0 likes@_nljh she did ???? In prison ???
0 likes@Hannah Beine exactly no one can. Tell anyone who to empathize with … poor Rhonda
0 likes@Jermaine Washington also doesn't anyone find it weird she didn't want to go to the police but instead says to him, we have to go back home right now! I get that he probably was abusing her. I've been abused myself and I get why women don't leave but she just found out he killed a guy and her first thought is let's just go back home and wait for the police to call us if they find us?
0 likes@Missaskia yeah I think that's suspicious too.
0 likes@Quinten and JoAnn Klonowski You understand you can feel bad for multiple people at once, right?
2 likes@miki minach Which specific comments are "as if a child didn't die"? So when you grow up you'll understand you can feel sympathy for multiple people at once. And saying you feel bad for one person does not mean you are saying you don't feel bad for someone else.
1 like@JIKitty thank you! That’s what I was thinking reading all these comments. It’s just that we feel empathy for Rhonda because she is being filmed here.
0 likesWell, Rhonda wants to detach herself from Dunn, completely. She understamds he has no future, and is hated throughout all black communities in America. Siding with him, no matter if he tells the truth or not, will mean she will live in fear the rest of her life, "the racist's wife who helped him dodging a life sentence for murdering a sweeeeet black teenage darling boy" - is not how she wants to spend her life. She knows she has to side with the black people to protect herself from BLM rage. The good thing is that she probably told the truth, though. It's all pretty simple; she didn't want ANY part of this, she detached herself from Dunn with a surgical cut, so to speak. She doesn't want to hear his name, or see him, ever again.
1 likeYeah bro a kid died and you feel sad for Rhonda
0 likesThere’s something wrong with you if you don’t have the capability to comprehend that you can feel bad for more than one person affected by a situation. You must be one of those people who shames someone for crying when they scraped their knee, because you know someone who has no legs. One has nothing to do with the other. Saying you feel remorse for his fiancé doesn’t somehow mean you don’t feel remorse for the victim. Grow up.
1 likeI don't feel sorry for either one of them... Doesn't matter who's idea it was to go to the gas station. It's not hard to deal with music in a parking lot for 5 to 10 minutes... If he didn't want to hear that music , simply leave, how hard is it.... Also she should of called the cops, I don't care if he's her fiance, wrong is wrong... She's to blame as well ...
1 likeHates thug music but shoots up a car park
0 likesgood people don't get engaged to homicidal racists. She's a terrible judge of character and chose multiple times to not leave him and call the police on him. The moment she got in that car and drove away from the crime scene with him, she became an accomplice. I only wonder how many more times she has watched him drunkenly attack/kill young black kids and then helped him abandon the scene. For all we know, she only cares this time because it ended up on the news and she knew they would get caught
1 like@The Life of Mary D. just think this. You’re in a moving car with a man who just confessed to shooting at a car just because their music was too loud? Would you really want to aggravate him even further by phoning the police?
0 likes@Ellie Walton Come on. 😒The ONLY time she could call is in the car. Not when they got to the hotel? Not before they left that morning?😊 No innocent adult in their right mind shoots at someone and or kills them and doesn't know they need to talk to law enforcement...right away! I'm not emotionless but a child died, because the adults around him who know better were careless and selfish. She lied and was evasive to protect her fiancé, granted...but your fiancé is a murderer of a minor. I understand scared, but she wasn't afraid enough to excuse herself to the lobby and call 911. I understand where you're coming from but even taking into account human error, it's still hard for me to make excuses for a grown woman that wasn't directly threatened. There were definitely better decisions she could have made that wouldn'tve implicated her. 🤷🏾♀️
0 likes@Caleb Gann A decent person would have called the police. A decent person wouldn't have stuck by a murderer and dutifully called him to stroke his ego and tell him he was totally justified in murdering children.
1 like@Eltanin25 One of the scientists working on the case, Oleg Gazenko, regretted allowing her to die. However, they should've at least tried to have her survive the voyage. Even if they had failed, an effort would've been made.
0 likes@Eltanin25 The Soviet Union was very forceful, about that, I agree. (They glossed over how Laika died for decades.)
0 likesGuys, this just shows why you don't get married. She'll throw you under the bus. And then a bunch of women on youtube will agree with her.
0 likes@The Life of Mary D. I don't think it serves any good purpose to look from an outsider's point of view and act like any one of us would've done better in her position. This isnt a situation you prepare for, you're thrown into it. No one falls in love with their fiancee expecting they might one day have to turn them into the police. It's a very disorienting and confusing situation you're thrust into and you have a short amount of time to know what the right thing to do is, ESPECIALLY when something as grave as murder is involved. Likely she was just too stunned to act on anything and waited for something to help her make her decision. Once the police reached out to her she figured out what to do.
1 like@Pimparoo I hear you, but I can look from an outside POV and KNOW I would have done differently. In part because the only standard I'm holding her to is the legal one that says evoke the 5th, but don't lie or mislead. Or, if you're with someone who murdered another and run with them you've become an accessory. I understand humans react to stress in strange ways. I assume that had it not been for lack of evidence they would have charged her. But short of being threatened/ forced, the law doesn't excuse breaking the law. You're still responsible for you're behavior even if you're under pressure.
1 like@clear as water no way you’re reaching that far.
1 like@Richard Milliken that's fair. But she knew he shot at a car full of kids and didn't call the police, at pizza and had a couple drinks. She did take the stand, was terrified, and her testimony helped seal a conviction. For that I guess she should be commended. But she really had no choice other than to tell the truth or she would have gone to prison herself if she'd lied.
0 likesYep, she’s the victim here.
1 likeThis is the problem. Those boys will be traumatized forever and we’re saddened for the lady who witnessed it. I have some sympathy for her of course but how can nobody care about those boys and the growing violence they face. Gross.
@The Life of Mary D. she was likely in shock. People in shock don't make good decisions or think clearly. It wasn't her fault at all and she carries zero blame
1 like@La Belle Lune Everyone's responsible for their own action or lack of action. Im not saying shock couldnt have contributed to her behavior, Im saying that it doesn't completely excuse it. And im glad they took the time to discern before just locking everyone away. However, I dont believe she's free because shes not culpable. Many others in her exact situation arent.
0 likesI don’t like the baby voice she’s using in court. Seems put on.
0 likes@Jermaine Washington Did she know someone was killed when they took off? Or did all she know was he shot up a car. When she tells the detectives she saw the news it sounds to me like that is the first time she realized someone was killed.
0 likes@Quinten and JoAnn Klonowski I don't understand why people respond like this. OBVIOUSLY the kids and their family have it worse. They lost a child, a friend, a loved one in a senseless crime. Nobody is trying to devalue that BUT his fiance now also has to deal with a guilty conscience and lots of other complex emotional trauma for something that wasn't her fault. She is also a victim whether or not you want to understand it.
0 likesThe satisfaction that we get from watching the Black detective inform him that “there were NO WEAPONS in the vehicle” and Dunn’s whole demeanor shifted.
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Did it really shift though? He didn’t seem to care that much.
0 likesThe perpetrator is a cowardly bully. I'm glad he didn't get away with it.
10 likes"What is the name of your dog?"
29 likesSniffles, puts handkerchief up to his mouth, starts crying
"His name is Charlie"
Breaks down crying
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He was likely thinking how he wouldn’t be able to return to the comfort of his home and see his dog. :P
2 likesI feel like he thought if he claimed that he was threatened, everybody would believe he was justified because the kids were black. We see too many people try racist shit like that... glad he didn't get away with it.
21 likesI'm glad his girlfriend had the sympathy & humility to be honest. She was obviously really traumatized by his actions
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at first i was mad that she didn't beg him to turn himself in but i honestly think she was terrified.
79 likes@L E Yeah there's some sort of subservient weirdness going on with her. Not to her credit, she knows better, but she's conditioned to agree with and not contradict men. The phone call, he wants to go off and probably incriminate himself, she knows the call is monitored and manages to say something about "probably shouldn't talk about this" - he's gonna say something racist or incriminating and she tries to put him off gently, but he plows on. And the gripe about the music he makes, her reply was "yes, I know," - placating, allowing him to be right, but not offering any opinion of her own. She's used to him going on and on, and she doesn't contribute or contradict.
66 likes@KymbaKhan that's sad, she should've left him. She's super cute
14 likesRight! I bet she was thinking “who the F am I about to marry?!?”
12 likes@Christina Wells That has to be the worst part. She got engaged to a guy like that :(
11 likesGuys, this just shows why you don't get married. She'll throw you under the bus. And then a bunch of women on youtube will agree with her.
0 likes@KymbaKhan for what it’s worth, 2 of his ex-partners described him as controlling & manipulative. I don’t recall either of them using the word “abusive”, but both of them definitely said “controlling”. That really stood out to me. Rhonda should have handled certain things differently, but overall I do think she genuinely felt awful about the situation. & iir, she wasn’t subpoenaed, she testified voluntarily against her fiancé.
13 likes@Jazza BigHits they weren't married. If you want to remain with no girlfriend and live in your dad's basement all safe and protected then that's your choice. But don't blame a woman who has been called to testify and sworn in for telling the truth. If Michael had a brain in his head he would've stfu and minded his own business.
23 likes@Jazza BigHits are you gonna keep commenting this stupid shit on every reply? guys,(and gals) this just shows why marrying the right person is so important. i applaud her for telling the complete and honest truth and not letting this horrible man go free
14 likes@goatsmilky LOL, I agree with you 100%, marrying the right person IS important. You shouldn't wait until you're about to get married to realise if they're a bad person or murderer, if you've taken that long, you're pretty ignorant yourself.
1 like@Brian Badonde bro what
0 likesImagine is this was a family of African Americans how she would keep lying as hard as she could ….
0 likesAmazing how he doesn’t want to be in a room with “animals” and “they” are violent. Yet he’s the one that killed someone that night yet he’s the victim?
14 likesYour ability to analyze these people is beyond me, number one reason I love your content.
0 likesGoddamn...the way his fiance says the idea to stop for wine was hers breaks my heart. You can just see the thought: "if I hadn't done that, none of this would have happened."
60 likesI hope she doesn't blame herself for what happened to Jordan. None of that had to happen if Dunn had acted differently.
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It was meant to be. There was no white wine at the wedding reception, only red. Rhonda prefers white and was probably hankering for it all through the reception. That is why she just had to stop and pick up a bottle. That decision to serve only red wine set this whole string of events into motion...
1 likeSad part is this guy saw 4 young black men who were just doing what teenagers do and thought he had the right to shoot at them. It is so pointless and tragic a young man lost his life and three others have to live with losing their friend and being shot at for no reason.
2 likesi appreciate that his fiancée didn't lie to cover his ass. it was probably hard for her to tell the truth but it was the right thing to do.
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She took a dangerous criminal off the streets, her fiance... That man shot those kids for simply insulting him, it was only a matter of time before he took another life.
446 likes@Rian Dolan Yeah and with someone that unhinged and who called himself a victim after murdering a child... I'm thankful she's safe from him now
283 likesnana
44 likesAgreed!
But you can tell she's truly terrified!
@Ellie R from the Bronx
60 likesShe did. There was another questioning of her, and at that point they weren't engaged anymore and she said he was her ex.
@LeftEyeReport
98 likesI agree! I have a very strong feeling that he was abusive towards her. The way she acts in the first questioning (small voice), versus the way she acts in the second one, is very different.
9:10
68 likesYou can even tell here, where he's not present, that her voice is much different. She seems stronger.
Probably pointless to lie at that stage, since the police would certainly have ascertained whether the accused had mentioned to her that he had seen a weapon. It's interesting to note that the accused did not seem to have 'primed' his fiancee with his narrative of events for use in her questioning by the police. He seems to have been far too casually and naively sure that a vague claim of self defence would suffice. No signs of remorse, either, for the life he took for nothing more than his wounded pride and lack of self control.
29 likes@samsara
36 likesYes!
This case was odd, because of the defendants demeanor. But honestly, I think he's the kind who's nasty behind closed doors. I really hate to sound cruel that way, but after going through a DV situation, and now watching people (over the past 10 years), it's not that hard to tell who's hiding something... Victim or Perp. There are just certain signs with both of them. I know it sounds crazy, but after you go through something like I did, you just notice things differently, than before (kind of like a sixth sense I guess).
Not sure if you noticed how the fiance talked on the stand, and then how she talked in the interrogation room... Way different. Even at his second trial when she was NOT engaged to him anymore, she didn't sound as weak as she did in the first hearing.
He's the type of person who acts all "chummy and kind" in person, but has a mean streak... I think.
I could be wrong, but I don't think so with this one.
She looked so broken, so sad. He's ruined so many lives with his actions, her included
40 likes@ItsSpecialHands
15 likesAgreed! I definitely think he was NOT always nice to her.
nana right
1 likeI feel so sorry for her. She was under tremendous duress because of him. She seems so sweet. He did not deserve her.
19 likesYes because if she did, she would of been charged too.
2 likesLooked like she was abused and controlled. But good on her for telling the truth
21 likes@Jeffrey Epstein's Rotten corpse how could she realistically be charged as an accessory to murder?? the thing is they would have no way of proving that she was lying and covering something up if she said he told her about the gun. it could easily be assumed that he had lied to her too.
7 likesAbsolutely that lady is a true sweetheart
3 likes@Goose I could definitely see that, she also said in her interview that she didn't challenge his thought process bc she knew he was angry so she'd bring it up later when he wasn't mad. Of course that could just mean she is trying to be considerate for his feelings, but it could also mean she knew better than to mess with him when he's mad.
12 likesIf he did nothing wrong theres no reason to lie. If he did something wrong, he's not worth lying for
5 likesI was thinking the same thing...
0 likes@Bailey Because they weren't married yet she couldn't invoke her 5th Amendment Right not to testify against her spouse. She was a key witness to the state and had to testify or she would be charged for withholding evidence and interfering with an investigation.
2 likes@Only Two Shoes i'm aware, but she was allowed to testify for or against him. i'm just saying that she could have very well testified in his favour if she wanted to, no one could have proven she was lying.
4 likes@Bailey That would be perjury, then she could end up in jail as well.
0 likes@Only Two Shoes it would, if she was caught. again she is testifying about conversations that happened between just the two of them at multiple points in time. correct me if i'm wrong, but there was very little possibility they would be able to prove she would be lying if she said he told her about another gun. unless in her first interrogation with the police she told them he never told her there was a gun, which may of happened but i was multitasking while watching this so I didn't catch every single detail, but i don't recall that being the case.
1 like@Bailey No, you are correct. She definitely could have lied and there would be little chance that she would have been caught. I think one of the other commenters for this video said she stated that her fiancé was verbally and physically abusive, so she might have seen telling the truth as her way out of a relationship she knew was toxic and dangerous.
2 likes“Hard for her to tell the truth”? Since when is it “hard to tell the truth” ffs. It’s a sign of a sick society when in the case of a murder one assumes that responsible adults find it “hard to tell the truth”.
3 likes@Minoozola I don't know where you live, but here in America with have 5th Amendment Rights, where you can't be forced to testify against your spouse, because it is hard to tell the truth when it results in putting someone you love away in prison. Fortunately, that was not the case in this scenario, but yes telling the truth is not always easy.
7 likesShe could have just made no definative statements especially about him not having gun at hotel
1 likeIt was the ONLY thing for her to do, hard or easy shouldn't even be concidered!
3 likes@Jeffrey Epstein's Rotten corpse I'm not saying nobody told her that the police definitely share traits with the rest of us and often try to use people's ignorance to scare them and honestly I understand that it's right on par with how a lot of us (myself very much included) would have no problem depending on the situation obviously with lying to some degree to minimize our consequences but yeah I mean regardless of what they may or may not have told her I think I would have had a hard time keeping a straight face I'm sure it was more of a scare tactic but accessory after never would have happened for her and this is just my opinion but I would expect her demeanor to be different in the first interview than it was in court but how could it not be? I doubt it has anything to do with her being afraid of getting in trouble especially since she still didn't lie in the first one either even though she could have.
0 likesAgain though I'm not surprised that she was acting differently the first interview was just her and the detectives the second time was in court acknowledging that he (who she had been with for years) was lying while he was there looking at her the whole time I could be wrong but I seriously doubt that has anything to do with being afraid of getting in trouble
@Ellie R from the Bronx she has, she is dating a African American right now! Oh how I love justice.🤣
0 likes@Jeffrey Epstein's Rotten corpse I know! I don't think she did just to get of being charged because she had so many chances to call the police but she didn't.
1 likeShe seems such a sweetheart entangled with a jerk!
1 likeShe saw his true colors.. Probably scared the crap out of her..
4 likesif my wife would snitch on me like that.
0 likesoh damn
@samsara he'll cry for his girlfriend and his dog, but not for his child victim.
10 likesA1
0 likesAnd she looked right at him like she still loved him but she knew he did it out of hate and she couldn't live with it her face said it all
2 likesIt was not hard for her to tell the truth the police had her entire interview on record which you could not deviate from or get charged with perjury
0 likes@Bailey if she lied at all
1 likeShe turned him in , what a love story
1 likethe right thing to have Dunn
2 likesShe seems like such a sweet lady too
0 likes@Goose vv good observation
1 like@Andy Cohen this right there.. he was armed and drunk. She's lucky and Charly is too.
1 like@Goose I think you are spot on! Narcissist abusers are "nice" in public, often popular and well liked but are not "kind" genuine people. It's all a ruse.
6 likes@Madeline Townsend narcissistic abusers absolutely control what you can and cannot say to them . Ugh.
4 likes@Goose the way he interrupted her on the jail call told me all I need to know about how he treated people - rude
4 likes@Agita you can kind of tell though she has the personality of a dishrag... ;-)
1 like@Ellie R from the Bronx doesn't need to drop him. he's dropped in a cell for the rest of his life.
0 likesNever hard to tell the truth
0 likesShe was clearly raised by a good, loving family. I like her.
1 likeThat's what happens when you mary a good honest woman, u pay the price when u do bad
0 likeswell, why is this man under trial? A software engineer, big brain man, taken from his freedom for 4 lowlifes good at nothing at they are as they are? Well done America, well done. Continue to defend the 'usual suspects" and nothing will remain out of your country. You see the signs already. You want to be defiant and disrespectful? well, then you deserve it.
1 like@LeftEyeReport Let's be honest though, they weren't children, they were young adults. It's absolutely horrible what he did, but people should really stop overusing the word "child" just because they are under 20 years old.
1 like@Sky stanlake Interesting deduction ! hmmm
0 likesim not religious in the slightest, but this is the one reason i actually admire religious people. You're not gonna lie about shit like this, if you think the big G is listening in.
0 likesProbably? Did you hear her voice nonstop trembling?
2 likes:'(
0 likesShe looks like a good woman. A God fearing woman...
0 likes@Rian Dolan Look how old he is. This is an indicent. He wouldn't have killed more.
0 likesIt takes quite a level of psychopathy (narcissism?) to act in such fashion/be triggered by loud music (even if it isn’t his style). I wouldn’t answer his calls again and move/change my number. How would her future life with him have been like?
1 like@Willem Gijs are you kidding me
0 likesI think this was key for his guilty verdict. If she says he told her they had a gun he may be free
0 likesWould she have face perjury if her statements contradicted what she said to the cops?
0 likes@samsara Yeah probably wasn't able to ever talk to her directly(in private) since he went right to jail after his initial interview and stayed until trial. Jerkoff just assumed she would back his story up if/when she was called as a witness.
0 likesTru. If her testimony was changed I'm sure the verdict would've changed too.
0 likesGirlboss 101
0 likesGuys, this just shows why you don't get married. She'll throw you under the bus. And then a bunch of women on youtube will agree with her.
0 likesIf you're like her it's not hard to tell the truth, it's hard NOT to tell the truth.
0 likesHe shows absolutely no remorse over killing a teenager. So very sad for the teenager's family and friends.
4 likesMy heart and prayers are with the victims families and friends. Such such terrible loss of life
3 likesDid that man seriously say in the interrogation room at 41:19 "the last thing I'm looking for is trouble" ??!!
9 likesYeah, I shot at someones car and killed an innocent 17-YEAR-OLD, (and could have killed more if their fight or flight response were to freeze) devastating not just his life, tragically lost, but also the lives of all of the people who cared about him and were rooting for him to follow his dreams and see the man he becomes...but, I wouldn't want the police officers to not get their rest, because, after all...ThE lAsT tHiNg I'm LoOkInG fOr Is TrOuBlE... 🙄
People like him make me hate society...
The problem was certainly not the loud music. He just hated the boys for being black and took their behaviour as a "lack of respect" for the white chief. Rhonda was great. Not for a moment, she tried to protect the bloke. She just did what she had to do.
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Oh thanks for your interpretation of his motives.
7 likesWhat an original interpretation of events what a brave opinion
7 likesI mean... It could have also been the loud music and his finger itching to play god
3 likes@Nat S no it was definitely them being black
5 likes@Jordan Muller but it wasn't
4 likes@Kendall Simington prove it
0 likes@Glass Moon Wrong, sir. I usually don't do that, and whenever I do it, it is not "automatically". I am not one of those who "automatically" say "they executed the bloke because he was black", or "he was beaten up by police because he was black." BUT, in this particular case, my impression is that racism is a plausible explanation. As far as I can see, his own wife thought that way.
4 likesAnd I don't think that the 135 people who liked my comment (so far) are, all of them, black people. You know what I mean. Cheers.
Give me a break.
0 likesMusic was a problem, might’ve been what you said as well, but the music most certainly played a role
0 likesThis man is actually proud that he lit up a vehicle full of teenagers. No regret or trauma, and complete detachment from reality. Adds little descriptors like “quick as a flash” and “fluid motion” like he thinks he is some kind of badass.
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@OhMyGulay he’s the only thug in this situation
132 likesThe only thing he seems to fear is prison
50 likesI don't get the need to have a gun, this situations really escalates quickly because of it...
26 likes@Parmoor It’s not even the gun; it’s the fact that the moment he pulled out his weapon he already had them on the run, and that clearly wasn’t enough for him.
26 likes@Purple Emerald nonetheless if the gun wasn’t there, it wouldn’t have happened. He would be pissed off but just drive away.
21 likes@Érico Schmitt True. But the fact that even with the gun he still had a chance to let them go but didn’t is even more infuriating. At least if he lacked the option, I couldn’t be angered by his poor decision making.
6 likes@Purple Emerald Sure, but if buying guns was more difficult, maybe he shouldn’t have it, forcing him to avoid conflict in one other manner...
7 likesYeah him chucking that "fluid motion" in there got me. The last time his body did anything with fluid motion was 5 hours after some bad seafood.
16 likes@Taliban223 Ms it's definitely scary.
1 like@Taliban223 Ms Do you not see your own racist undertones in your own comment ? The lack of self awareness and critical thinking regarding the subject of race is the real problem. You're being baited into believing the world is a lot worse than it actually is
7 likesLike he's writing a memoir
0 likesGod bless! Believe in your heart and confess with your mouth that Jesus Christ is our Lord and Savior and the Son of God and died on a cross for our sins! Believe God is our Father and Creator and raised His Son Jesus from the dead! Confess and repent of your sins and trust in God! Live for Jesus as He died for you!! (Don’t swear or take God’s name in vain!) 🥰🤍
2 likesLike Jason Blaha
0 likesThe gravyseals strike again.
6 likesIf wyte m3n like these have nothing else, we know they at least have the audacity. 😂
They were future muderers thieves anyway
0 likesWell their music WAS loud so it all worked out.
0 likes@GalaxyStandard77 vm so
0 likesOh yeah you should hear all the shit his neighbor had to say about him (I’m pretty sure you just have to look up “Mike Dunn Neighbor”.)
1 likeLol he thinks he's in an action movie. "I don't think so, you son of a bitch!" *pop pop*. "Your flight's been canceled."
2 likesDidn't his wife say that he went back and had a drink as well? What a James Bond.
Thinks he's John Wayne and that he saved everyone there, whether it was to make himself seem innocent or he truly believed it idk.
1 likeThis is just like the case of Michael Drejka (coincidentally same first name). These dudes are so ignorant from their own racism that it doesn't even register to them that situation they provoked led to the death of an innocent person.
2 likesThis is just the prime example why guns aren’t making the world any safer.
1 likeDon’t understand me wrong I’m all for the use of guns for recreational purposes but they aren’t making anything any safer and should not exist at all in public spaces.
@GalaxyStandard77 don’t feed the trolls
0 likesNahh he’s proud he lit up a vehicle full of black teenagers
0 likesAdd "are you talking to me?". He thinks he's Robert deNiro or some shit from Taxi Driver.
0 likesI laughed when Rhonda says "Your Mom is sending you a book". That'll really help the decades fly by!
9 likesI’m glad Mike gave us a Saturday morning cartoon-esque recap of the story so far on the phone with his fiancé, that’s exceedingly convenient
1 likeHis fiancee's testimony that the shooter never mentioned seeing a gun in the other vehicle was devastating. Because any normal person would immediately attempt to explain to their significant other the reasons why they fired multiple rounds at another car. It would be the first thing one would do. It's human nature. Coupled with the fact that he left the scene of the crime and did not call the police, this all spoke to his guilt.
0 likesGood on Rhonda for telling the truth. You can tell it’s really upsetting for her, but she does it because she knows it’s the right thing to do 💛
3 likesRhonda is so lost, “should i tell you what i was thinking?” Poor woman, good for her for not covering up for him.
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She is lucky not to be charged, she saw the news and then still didn't contact the police.
601 likesR Daysh thank youuuuu! These poor woman comments are annoying
253 likesR Daysh That’s a good point. To be fair, she was reliant on traveling back to their home with their dog and such. Calling the police while in the same hotel or such may put her/the dog in danger when she can call later that day. I know there are plenty of other options, but I still think that is a rough spot to be
582 likes@GreekNeek What? I never once mentioned a walk.
146 likes@R Daysh I thought they said they called from the house, and I imagine it's the most difficult situation to be in, it can take a bit of time to actually comprehend a situation sometimes. Tbh she seems quite timid, I feel like he treated her like shit. I was pleasantly surprised when I saw her standing against him.
344 likesBro she left the scene of a crime and didn't say shit
44 likesShe turned on her own husband to get off
@PANDA Not entirely sure she knew the extent, or if the two of them were actually in danger. She has nothing to be charged with. She was not driving, did not provide information or shelter. She is totally in the clear. Her testimony against him, as far as I can tell, was because she determined it was right. Absolutely could have gotten away with saying he DID mention a gun in the kids' car on the way from the gas station. NOBODY would be able to discredit that.
350 likesR Daysh If she called the police right after having seen the news, he might have reacted negatively and attacked her, I’m thinking.
358 likesEXACTLY, submissive, weak, lost!
9 likes@PANDA She did not fully realize what happened until they were back home and she is so timid that she seems to have been overpowered by his persona. I feel like she was in shock too. edit: she ran out of F's at the trial and stood up for herself to possibly gain immunity
140 likes@R Daysh Maybe she got out of any trouble by testifying against him at the end. I think it said she was a registered nurse (RN).
3 likes@Becc F.S. What she did at the end took a lot of courage though.
37 likes@GreekNeek she fled the scene not knowing what had fully happened. She didn't see anything, she was in the store. All she had was her husband's perspective, a manipulated perspective at that. Also, she's with him the whole time. How is she supposed to call the police on him in his presence without endangering herself. Also this is the 'love of her life'. Someone she imagined spending the rest of her life with. It can be extremely difficult to let that go. To betray someone you love, despite what they did. Ever heard the phrase love is blind? It really can be blinding. She was probably in a huge state of shock and confusion. All I can say is props to her for not protecting him when speaking to the cops or court, ultimately she told the truth. But yes, you're right, the real victim here is 100% the tragic life of that child that was taken far too soon. Heartbreaking. That said, this lady deserves forgiveness and understanding. You can see she has a good heart.
167 likesIn most parts of the states failiure to report is not a crime. In this case she was only a witness. She did not help him commit the crime nor did she attempt to cover it up. I believe spouses especially have the privilege in choosing not to speak or testify BUT she still did!
62 likesHe was/is a murder waiting to happen and I think she knew it. Racially motivated, he knew he would get contention saying what he said. He lies, then his conversation saying he is the victim....like when!!!?????
3 likes@Laura Lee Originally
36 likesI mean in all seriousness, if he can shoot a stranger what is he capable of doing behind closed doors. She is as much a victim as others, she would have been in shock at first, then panic, then confusion. That man was never a victim. He could have walked on by....
The poor little girl act on the witness stand sounds like a completely different person from the police interview. I wonder why.
6 likesI think she's the biggest winner here by loosing him ! Imagine if she stuck with this humanlike entity the rest of her life ! She must be so happy now he's out of her life.
9 likesPANDA / I think she is afraid of him.
6 likesMAGADETH / she got on the stand and told the truth, even against him when she could have lied bc she is afraid of him.
2 likesAaron Hughes exactly. you never know what happens behind closed doors. means that his immediate reaction to that is to shoot instead of ignoring it, it’s highly probable he is the same behind closed doors. She also said “i didn’t want to make him any angrier”. You never know the truth behind relationships
20 likesMAGADETH shes not complicit. there’s enough witnesses to say she was inside of the store (not complicit only a witness). She was only given half the truth from his perspective (which is shown to be false). She’s not complicit.
23 likesMAGADETH still not complicit legally
3 likesAkane I would like to pay you a compliment with out sounding like a weirdo. Your red hair is awesome and looks really good on you.
3 likesI honestly cant believe some of the comments saying the fiance was in the wrong for dropping him in it. She did the correct and right thing by telling the truth. I dont understand why people are saying she shouldnt have thrown him under the bus. She is clearly traumatised. He also seems to show emotion but doesnt shed a single tear and lied in his silence
12 likesAgree.
0 likesMAGADETH you should read my other reply in this thread. You never know what goes on behind closed doors.
1 like@R Daysh yeah right if they tried to charge her she would refuse to testify against her own husband.....
1 like@Becc F.S. this woman was a poor woman. also, poor woman.
1 like@R Daysh if you saw someone you loved wanted by police you would probably not believe it is them at first, then have a moral dilemma over what to do (no matter who you are, it is a traumatic experience and you will hesitate, don’t even disagree) then they make the decision on what they do, she was honest. She made the right choice. I know most people here are riding the coat tails of the racism hatred but don’t say dumb shit.
7 likesShe didn't call the cops
0 likes@R Daysh since he seems like such a narcissist to me it's very likely he manipulated her.
3 likesB S I agree with you, but I think she was afraid of him. If my significant other killed someone, I honestly wouldn’t get in the car with him and drive back home. She was probably in shock and didn’t know what to do. He seems manipulative and emotionally abusive and she seems very timid
4 likes@Olduglyentwife because she isn't in the same room as him. This is very common in relationships when the partner is physically or emotionally abusive.
6 likes@PANDA fiance, well it's a good thing she didn't cover for him and corroborate the story, if she had lied and testified that the finance did mention seeing a shotgun, take the gun out of their car when they got to the hotel and fear for their life etc. Then the middle class white jury may have believed them, if their stories matched, and didn't talk to police before seeking council they would have had a strong liklihood of getting away with it. If any of the black teens had any hint of a record they'd also would have gotton away. The right wing like to point at Goerge Floyd's past record as an excuse why he was retrained with a knee to his neck.
2 likesNo doubt this guy is in prison and joined the aryan brotherhood, he decided to park next to the black guy's car and tell them to put the music down as a provocation, because he knew he had a gun in the car and trying to incite a response as an excuse to shoot and kill them.
@Grimshaw Grummage you realize that if you go to prison, you are joining a racial gang, regardless of your beliefs, right? That's the order of things in prison.
3 likes@R Daysh Anyone would be afraid after seeing what the person you're with is capable of. You aren't Finnair convince me she isn't or hasn't been afraid of him or been on the other end of his violence etc
1 like@R Daysh to be fair she testified against him, that's why is safe to say they threaten her to charge her unless she got on the stand.
0 likes@PANDA she didn't know a crime had taken place
4 likes@Billy Caves At least in some states you dont have to testify againts your husband/family
1 likeSomeone said he abused his ex-wives, so he was probably abusing her too. Women in that kind of situation will rarely turn in their SOs for crimes, they're conditioned to be scared and obedient. The fact that she testified against him demonstrates that she is a good person.
3 likes@Charlie Brown talking about yourself?
0 likesKeep in mind, she didn't know that any shots hit anyone. She said that when she got in the car and she asked, "is anyone hurt" that man said "no, it's fine" she didn't know. And she was scared.
3 likes@Charlie Brown and yet she gave her testimony truthfully, fearlessly.
3 likesI dont blame her, shes just way too nice to everyone, including bad people.
0 likes1. She heard gunshots and left the scene
2. Guy confessed to her as they drive off, she does nothing
3. Sees report on news, still does nothing
It sounded like she had already told him what she thought and she didn't want to repeat herself unnecessarily.
0 likesMy heart broke for her. He put her in such a horrible position and she did the right thing.
1 like@PANDA if you’ve never been in an abusive situation, you cannot say her actions were wrong. he literally pulled his gun on some random kid whose music was too loud, there’s no saying what he would’ve done to her if she had tried to resist/defy him.
4 likes@R Daysh tell me how exactly she would have been able to do that without risk to her safety
2 likesFrom the conversation with him in jail I'd say she had been in denial for a while but deep down she knew he was a murderer and she couldn't be with him anymore, when she started being interrogated it was a turning point and she decided to do the good thing, good for her
1 like@Billy Caves I love dogs but a normal person would be more concerned about potentially dead people; especially if there’s no indication that the dog is in any danger.
1 like@James Moseley Kid was already dead, dog wasn't. Nothing can be done about the kid at this point. Can always report it later. But I could easily understand how she would think maybe dude is off his rocker after what he said/did, maybe would try to challenge the police in a standoff because he did not want to go to prison for the rest of his life, or threaten her about it, either way his actions could hurt/kill HER OR the dog.
2 likes@R Daysh They were engaged and she didnt know what happened, how heartless are you? Would you immediately call the police if your s/o was involved in some sort of crime and you dont even know the extent?
3 likes@Corrupted Yes she knew exactly what happened they saw it on the news. And no I probably would not call the police on my spouse, but I'd then be going to prison for not doing that, that's the law in the USA. She is guilty, got off because she is a middle age white women.
0 likes@Becc F.S. they aren’t going to charge someone they are going to use against him later
0 likesShe really didn’t know what to do and felt lost when everything went down until the detective called her. But she was very obviously upset and the frustrated and possible afraid for her own safety which makes sense because she didn’t call the police. She did the right thing in the end and honestly should have cut off the engagement as soon as she saw it in the news. But that’s my opinion and it really doesn’t matter in this situation
2 likesAll these comments talking about Rhonda being some kind of saint, what the actual f*ck?? Are ya’ll insane? She left with a murderer and didn’t call the cops. She stayed him with him even after the verdict. She shows no real remorse for what happened to the kid or the families involved. Only for herself. She should’ve been charged as an accomplice. She’s a spineless alcoholic who probably drinks twice as much now cuz she thinks of herself as a victim just as her fiancé does. What a joke.
0 likes@Becc F.S. Facts
1 like@PANDA nigha WHAG
0 likes@R Daysh true, she also drove them away from the scene
1 likeI thought this too. Wonderful women. Appears fragile on the outside but is the strongest women xxx
2 likes@Billy Caves So trying to protect a dog over a human being who was shot makes her a victim here? No. She's a horrible person.
0 likes@Kylie Albaniel right?! I gotta assume he’s abusive. The death of that poor child is prob a reason she’s she’s still alive.
2 likes@Grace T. Huh? The person is dead already, the dog isn’t. She can’t protect that person anymore. She CAN protect herself and the dog
1 likeRhonda should be charged with murder too.
1 like🥺🥺🥺 how scared she was at the end to answer honestly
0 likesAkane Merlo what a cool name.
1 like@R Daysh not trying to say that was the correct action, but I’m sure she was also probably in shock / scared of what he would do if she had just witnessed him opening fire on a bunch of unarmed teenagers. I’m not sure I would be able to call the police immediately, either.
0 likes@R Daysh Michael Dunn was married twice before, and both wives alleged he was mentally and physically abusive. If that's true, she probably went through the same with him. I believe she was probably afraid of him.
1 likeGuys, this just shows why you don't get married. She'll throw you under the bus. And then a bunch of women on youtube will agree with her.
1 likeAkane please don't get married. I could be mean or salty and say something like "i hope one day your spouse doesn't cover for you or have your back", but I don't hope for any marriage to fail. If you love someone enough to marry them but won't cover for them, you're not really loving them. Please, just don't get married.
1 like@R Daysh I don't think she knew at that time he shot at the kids. She was inside, heard gunshots, went back to the car and they left. She never said he told her what happened.
0 likes@R Daysh or maybe the dude was abusive and told her to stfu about it
0 likes@R Daysh dude u Can tell from her voice that she's an abuse survivor so of course she's scared of her abusive husband considering he had no problem murdering someone. I guarantee she would've inevitably gone to thepolice but there wasn't time for her to not to mention she's in a shared car
0 likesSelf awareness. She'd probably seen court scenes where attorneys object to speculation on the part of witnesses, and was second guessing herself as to the appropriateness of her answers (facts vs feelings).
1 like@R Daysh I think we can give her the benefit of the doubt that she was in a state of shock, and was also probably scared to contact the police knowing that her husband is a volatile cry baby who will murder someone if they say something he doesn't like.
1 like@Alan Canon She asked for permission from the detective to speak about her thoughts...the way I see it, it honestly sounds like she was being abused and was used to asking permission for things like this....
0 likesit's harrowing to see a woman so upset and stricken with remorse
3 likesi genuinely believe she's like that because she believes she might have been at fault because she suggested to grab some wine from a station. she's a wonderful woman with a lot of heart and didn't deserve some prick to enter her life and cause so much pain.
This is why I treat others with respect. You often don't know who is a psycho until it's too late.
3 likesThat one boy didn't give an F but he met someone who REALLY didn't give an F.
So sad, it all could've been avoided for those boys.
R.i.p. Jordan Davis
7 likesWhat a awful tragedy
Thank GOD he was “afraid for his life” and honestly “was the victim” enough so he talked to the police with an attorney. I I LOVE that for him! 🙃
1 likeWow he called himself “the victor”. He really feels accomplished of what he did that’s sad.
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When did he say that?
8 likes@Stefan Reich 2:17
53 likes@Exerray Oh, indeed
9 likesYup. Big tough guy kills a teenager cause he doesn't like his music.
268 likesHe should probably join the police force. He would fit right in.
147 likeshope the irony isnt lost on him
12 likes@famouslastwords hahahaha, these gang members wouldve killed him anyway
2 likes@Velo City LMAOOOOO
10 likesStefan Reich how did you miss it???
4 likesStefan Reich this is what happens when a kid is raised on Action movies,but doesn’t grasp the understanding of consequences.
8 likesAs the saying goes, "We are all the hero of our own stories"
22 likesYou'd be surprised just how much humans are capable of bending the objective truth to conceal a crime or other emotionally charged situation they are unwilling to face.
He genuinely see's himself as the hero, having done nothing wrong.The cognitive dissonance is really strong.
@Stefan Reich from the opening video
2 likes@star gazer thats a very profound statement
0 likesHe was the real victim though
5 likes@SUEDE Persuade he was NOT and let's not pretend he is
46 likesIs crazy how great some people feel when snuffing out minorities. They really love it and enjoy it. Seeing kids in cells and kids dead, they really celebrate it. I wish everyone would just be real about it so we can maybe think about growing as a society. Won’t happen In my lifetimes though so I just hope I make it to old age before another “victim” comes around and I may be in the area
30 likesAn out of shape man 2/3's through his life claiming a mental trophy after killing an unarmed 17 year old with one of the most effective weapons in history. What a damn gladiator, this man is sick. I feel safer knowing he's locked up and that i can listen to Beastie Boys in a parking lot without having to worry about software dev's going rambo.
22 likesYeah, we kinda just glossed over that. He literally considers this a battle that he won
9 likesHe is discusting
5 likesHe looked like he felt especially accomplished at 52:02 when he got to re-enact how much of a hero he was shooting the poor kids...
9 likes@RobNobby yooooooo based??? 😳😳😳
0 likes@Velo City
2 likes> "He should probably join the police force."
Your joke is bad and you should feel bad.
@Charles Stevens He was angry a young black kid disrespected him openly.
8 likeswho's going to tell him that life isn't a Tom Clancy novel and he's not a war hero?
10 likes@Unlicensed Morgue He will realize that in prison. Oh well, he will never get out alive. ha ha ha ha
5 likesEscaping with your life from a gun fight must feel like an accomplishment.
1 like@Linmayzie Mitchell There is a silver lining to all of this. He will never get out of prison on his own two feet. He will not be able to harm anyone again.
2 likes@Velo City No. We need less of these kind of people in our police force.
1 like@IIIIII thats exactly the point
1 likeHe did accomplish something he took another good for nothing thug off the street
1 like@Stefan Reich in the beginning monologue
0 likesAlways ask for an attorney. Even if you are innocent. This guy clearly wasn’t, but talking without one only incriminates yourself
2 likes@Mr X he felt disrespected. He said multiple times it wasn’t about the music.
0 likes@star gazer i bet you're the type to say "Racism isn't a problem in America" while you're contradicting yourself
3 likes@RobNobby Preach
0 likesNazi's gonna nazing
1 like@ThaGVPSon the black kid without any criminal record?
3 likes@McSnezzly So don't read it. Kind of ignorant to ignore someone's point of view because it has too many words for you to handle, but it is what it is.
0 likesI feel like he actually believes his own lie so much that he truly believes he was the "victor"
0 likes@Not Sure wtf man is riggers meant to be the n word?
0 likes@CSIS Election riggers in the last election. Do your homework.
0 likes@Not Sure how do you know who they voted for wtf this ain’t even political
0 likes@Not Sure but it sounds like u just wanna have fun with people’s reactions so I’ll go along
0 likes@Not Sure yeah wanna know what else is dumb? Doc told me drinking petrol “wasn’t healthy” like what could go wrong I’ve only had 3 strokes and 4 liver failures but that’s prob because the government was trying to brainwash me
0 likes@star gazer ah yes, the gang members with no weapons on them with no track records.
2 likes@Charles Stevens A black someone i would add
0 likes@CSIS obvious dog whistle is obvious
0 likesHis lawyer after watching this interrogation: 🤦🏻♂️
3 likesI mean I get it. He probably thought he was justified for shooting and when you’ve been through a traumatic event and feel you have done nothing wrong you might talk to the police because you feel you have nothing to hide, it won’t hurt to talk and you want to be cooperative. Here’s the thing, NOTHING good comes out of talking to the police in ANY scenario. In any kind of criminal investigation it will never help you, it will only hurt you. Nothing can be decided in a police station, it’s not the court room. Talking has nothing but downsides. Lawyer up and wait for the court room to make your case.
I have a gun in the house. I have not seen it in probably 10 years. In fact, its not loaded, and if I ever needed it, I probably couldn't get to it in time anyway. I think unfortunately there are those who have been trained how to use a gun - almost to the point of expecting they will one day need to pull their weapon and use it. I feel this guy has set the bar in his mind justifying what constitutes the NEED to pull his weapon. He may not have consciously been wanting to run into a situation like this, but its like he trained just a bit too much in anticipation. Over music?
4 likesThis honestly has become almost like a podcast to me where I’ll listen to it all day while driving during the day at work. I enjoy the content as disturbing as all these people are
1 likeIt’s interesting that his first response to “could it have been your imagination” was a defensive confused “no.” The whole implication of his story is that he might have misunderstood the threat in a moment of fear. That is what he needs everyone to entertain to save his ass. Evidence shows that there was no weapon, no one coming out of the car, no real threat—-but I thought there was. But once that gets explicitly expressed he denies it. Idk for sure, but it feels like he cannot stomach the explicit idea that he messed up at all. It’s more important that he feel perfect than it is for him to have plausible deniability.
0 likesIt's hard to claim self defense when they're driving away from you.
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Not really, the driver in control of the car is separated from the mentality of the shooter completely.
125 likesdepends if the other person showed a weapon imo but in this case the teens clearly didn’t try and cause trouble they were just playing loud music that pissed this guy off
693 likes@Russian Bot #568984 how the hell was they going kill him? They DIDN'T have a weapon!
355 likes@Linus Karlsson not a threat.he could have just moved his car to another location without even making eye contact.
618 likes@Linus Karlsson They're playing music, they're not remotely a threat 😂 & them turning up the music to say, "You don't tell us what to do" still does not classify them as a threat or being threatening.
620 likes@jjosephdubya Of course it makes sense, you doofus. Not saying these kids did anything wrong, cause we know at this point that they didn't. But in a driveby, people drive away from the person they're shooting all the time, with the driver being separate from those doing the shooting.
8 likesjjosephdubya I swear to god Mfers don’t even be saying shit just using words at random
26 likes@jjosephdubya It does make sense. The passenger was the one that Michael said had a shotgun, not the driver. Michael says he shot the second volley of 4 bullets to keep their heads down. In his story, why couldn't the passenger try to shoot him as he's driving away?
3 likes@Josianne Ash It doesn't matter whether or not they had a shotgun. The defense has to prove that Michael thought he was in imminent danger, and acted in selfdefense
11 likes@jjosephdubya bruh your mad confused. No one is talking about this specific case or saying there was a gun. He literally only said that in a hypothetical situation you could claim self defense from a car moving away.
5 likesLinus Karlsson the fact that you specifically say “black people” in this statement shows that you’re a racist. putting it in the specific context of “well when they’re black they’re threatening” is the exact problem. it’s very sad to see that you think this way
203 likes@DeToxcc Zebra if he thought he was in imminent danger he wouldn't have lied about the imagery weapon.. He would have spoken the truth.. He couldn't even get his lie straight..😒
45 likesjjosephdubya do you think that it is possible that there was actually a gun in the car and that the teenagers got rid of it after the shooting?
4 likesCarlin Pendleton say what now?
0 likesYou can easily claim that, just like how you can claim that being shot twice in the back of the head is suicide. I can claim to be the Queen of England.
18 likesI a big fan of star wars rules for any and all gunplay. The first one to shoot is the criminal. Frame accurate.
3 likesNot necessarily. If the kids were to shoot first and he shot after them and they took off, it could be because they got scared and wanted to flee the crime scene as to not get apprehended. We know this didn’t happen, but just as an example, your scenario isn’t necessarily true.
4 likesLinus Karlsson o don’t see how being to,d that others are not yours to command is a threat.
3 likes@Adam Gillespie Exactly. You're going to drive off in like 2 minutes anyway after his wife purchased the alcohol. That's why there's the notion of "picking your battles."
24 likesdriving towards as the Earth is round and they was going the long way.
3 likesCarlin Pendleton Yeah, no that’s not how it works.
1 like@Russian Bot #568984 great handle "Russian Bot" !
0 likesWish I'd thought of that name
Cringe, not true
0 likesDeToxcc Zebra not true. For a criminal conviction, prosicution has the burden of proof. And its a high one 95% “beyond a reasonable doubt”.
2 likesWith that being said. Claiming selfdefense in opening statement and then not giving attention to the matter whilst testifying would be inadvised.
@Linus Karlsson Loud music is not a reason to murder people.
29 likes@Nicole first of all, assuming someone is a thug based on their behavior does not make me a racist.
9 likesSecond, thug music isn't called that for nothing. So when younglings listen to thug music, and then act disrespectful, i can very well think they are also capable of threatening him. I never said they did do it. If they didn't then hell yes he was a cold blooded murderer. But non of us really know the whole truth.
Also, yes, i am slightly racist. And i have good reasons for it too. Not gonna give you my lifes story tho, nor do i expect you to understand or accept that. However i would never think harming ANYONE is ok except in clear self defense.
@Courier Black never said that. What i meant that kind of behavior makes me see that they are also capable of also threatening him. Never underestimate what a group of young men would do to show each other they are alpha.
4 likes@Linus Karlsson...so blasting music is a threat...
44 likesLet everyone know not to annoy you then or you'll take it as a threat.
@Misti D you're putting words in my mouth to make me look bad. Don't do that.
6 likesLinus Karlsson it’s annoying but NOT a threat. Unless someone on their side had flashed a gun at him or said something like “you’re DEAD” there would sort of be an argument of “self defense”
30 likes@S E B so many ppl reply saying "playing loud music isn't a threat". I NEVER SAID IT IS. Do you not read before you push "reply" or do you lack basic reading comprehension?
3 likes@Linus Karlsson You literally "I can see they posed a threat this man" in your original reply.
46 likesSo please explain to me how they posed a threat.
@Misti D yeah, based on their behavior connected to my personal experience, i definitely think they are the kind of ppl who are capable to threat someone.
4 likes@Misti D well yeah he killed the kid, so ofc he is a murderer. And don't get me wrong, violence is not acceptable in any form. And there is no proof of them threatening him, so its a just verdict in that sense.
3 likes@Linus Karlsson But that doesnt prove they threatened him just cause "they seem like the type "
44 likes@Misti D correct
3 likes@j But they had no weapon.
0 likes@Linus Karlsson Lmao if you feel threatened by that then you need to find another planet to live on
56 likes@Kid’s World Entertainment but i don't. Don't strawman, its stupid.
3 likes@Linus Karlsson But you literally said in your initial comments you did, so you wanna keep lying for the public to see?
25 likes@Kid’s World Entertainment i litterally did not. I said i can see how they posed a threat. As in i find it believable that they thretened him. As i said, don't strawman.
3 likes@Linus Karlsson You can see how they posed a threat through personal experience, because you too also get scared of black people that play loud music. I just find it ironic that you’re actually trying to say something about a “straw man” when you’re sitting here trying to convince people that loud music is life threatening 😂😂😂
53 likes@Kid’s World Entertainment dude, why do you hate white ppl?
2 likes@Linus Karlsson loud music=threat? Noone has a right to demand any music to be turned down in the parking lot of a gas station, and since we all know a kid was shot how is even arguing that they were a “threat” constructive?
21 likes@G Ham too loud music can be an offense you can be fined for, if its disturbing. So no, you can't be how loud you want.
2 likesStop making a strawman. I never said loud music is a threat. What i meant was i can immagine them threatening him, judging by how they behaved.
@avocado on toast w/egg and bacon yes, lets pretend thats exactly how it is and what i said.
2 likes@Linus Karlsson WTF DID THEY HAVE TO RESPECT HIM FOR? He ain’t nobody respect is earned! All he had to do was get his fuckin wine and go tf home or to his hotel or wherever he was going!! All of this could’ve been avoided if he just minded his business and went home! They have every right to play music! YOURE MISSING THE POINT AND YOURE IN THIS MONSTERS DEFENSE!
41 likes@Linus Karlsson I listen to “thug” music all time but can barely kill a insect stop trying to justify this he was wrong he had no reason to feel threatened
25 likesI would of felt threatened, what he did was wrong but he didn't deserve prison
2 likes@John Smith a lot of people would have felt threatened in this situation. Most would not have felt like they needed to kill or be killed, however. Especially based on all the evidence presented.
2 likesAnd these actions absolutely deserve prison time.
@Contagious Gloom ... how?😂
0 likes@Nicole Fiancé*
0 likesUnless they have an anti aircraft gun mounted on there car and its aimed at you
1 like@J Shaw lol?
0 likes@Linus Karlsson so you can imagine them threatening him because of how they behaved? You weren’t even there. They didn’t even threaten him, this is made clear in the video.
12 likes@Carlin Pendleton (sorry for my tardiness lol) but in a normal case I 100% agree, obviously in this case no one in that car had a gun or actually showed one.
2 likes@Linus Karlsson yo listening to river dance music doesn’t make me start clogging bro wtf does thug music even mean. Y’all are so.....clearly the problem. That entire mentality was his he went in the situation and it shows
26 likes@Linus Karlsson just say you're racist and go
21 likes@Linus Karlsson you would feel anxious around them why exactly? They’re teenagers who listen to loud music that doesn’t seem very threatening or are u threatened just because they’re black? Because that is certainly what it seems like lmao when will u people learn that the color of someone’s skin does not make them threatening 🙄
12 likes@Linus Karlsson the fact you unironically call it thug music says a lot...
16 likes@High as duck well, rap songs lyrics are generally about thug culture, no?
2 likes@Linus Karlsson i'm pretty sure rappers rap about their lives, and sex. And no, sex is not thug culture. everybody has that
11 likes@High as duck so their lives are mainly about drugs and gang life. So there you have it. There is no point arguing about it.
2 likesduck sropducks stop responding to him. Hes obviously a racist. They lack common sense. Happy new year.
17 likes@AfricanBeard since i stereotype blacks, i suppose i am a racist per se. However i don't dislike someone solely by skincolor. The guys in the clip for example, i wouldn't hold a grudge against them. But i would not interract with them because my experience says they potentially mean trouble. Do you see the difference?
2 likes@Linus Karlsson why pull up next to the loud music in the first place?
2 likes@Ango Gablogian why are you asking me that?
1 like@Linus Karlsson Lmfaooo someone had to do a little back tracking.
9 likes@Linus Karlsson If someone were playing loud music, why interact with them to begin with like this gentleman did?
7 likes@Ango Gablogian you know its not me in the clip, right?
1 like@Linus Karlsson oh, I had no idea my mistake I suppose.
1 like@Linus Karlsson “black people listen to thug music?” lol my dad is a die hard Bruce Springsteen fan... he blasts that all day long. He’s black. Is that thug music? Oh and I listen to classical music because i play classical guitar. Am I a thug? Oh I am black as well. Try again to not sound completely racist.
30 likes@Linus Karlsson lol you shouldn’t be in this comment section if you’re “slightly racist”. I hope you’re very proud of that tho.
6 likes@Linus Karlsson so listening to “thug” music automatically poses you as a potential threat when you play it too loud??? lord, make it make sense....
13 likes@Jay b yes, thats the only thing i wrote in my entire post, right? Way to cherry pick just to make some selfrighteous spewing. I don't need you you agree with me. I have my own experience. If i find it possible that they are ppl who COULD threath somone base on their culture and behavior, then you gotta accept that. I never said the DID threat him at all actually.
0 likes@KhizDidIt well, everyone aren't born and live in some nice suburban utopia. Some of us live in places where the black neighbour, Mr. Robinsson, is a super nice guy. Some of us deal with being victim of oppression, harrassment and racism from blacks on a daily basis. Where they all listen to thug music and act accordingly to this mans description hard to believe huh? Im not stupid, i know ppl are not evil because they have a dark skin color. But from my experience, if i see black ppl that listen to that kind of music, and act disrespectful, i have to watch out.
1 likeAlso real hard to claim someone would use a shotgun at a distance especially driving away.
0 likes@Linus Karlsson stop your victim complex.I can tell from your previous comments that you probably were being a racist and then they retaliated.You just admitted in your previous comment that you are a racist!You judge black people if they play “thug music”.You are the definition of a racist.And the man was clearly over exaggerating and lying.We can clearly see this from him lying about the barrel sticking out the window so it is clear he lied about other things.Stop being a racist and be quiet.
17 likes@Ioan Jeffrey but i am a victim. And no, i wouldn't dare express any racist word. Im too much of a coward for that. Its more their behavior i judge them by, as i have already said plenty of times. but in the end its the whole situation. He was definitely overeaggerating. And he killed someone. Its terrible.
1 like@Linus Karlsson If you stop at a gas station, mall, public parking, ect, and sombody is playing loud music. Why t.f don't you move your f car away from them if it bothers you.
2 likes@Dionis Herrera i would. I definitely 100% would
2 likesYou can’t shoot when the perp is fleeing, you can get nailed for that easily. Bad idea 100% of the time
1 like@Linus Karlsson
6 likesListening to music is disrespectful?
Since when?
They were just enjoying their lives
They were kids!!! Teenagers!!!
@Josianne Ash or cops never found it .because we know how inept the police are.
0 likes@Linus Karlsson They didn't owe him any respect after he rudely confronted them about music. Regardless, disrespect does not equal a threat or "capable to threat" whatever that means. Based on your comments It sounds like you're "threatened" by the mere presence of black men.
10 likes@Linus Karlsson How would you know they even could pose a threat or were potentionally dangerous? You do not know those people. You are literally basing that they were dangerous just off of the color of their skin. Literally few teenagers listening to loud music are in you eyes dangerous because they are black. That's not a solid argument, it's very much your biased opinion based on stereotypes and apparently the things that happened to you in the past. But you definetely shouldn't generalise people based on their skin colour or other traits especially when it comes singular cases.
6 likes@Linus Karlsson you wouldn’t say that if it was Taylor swift lmao
3 likesI don’t blame him, where im from you can get killed for simply bumping on someone on the train, forget about when them popeys chicken sandwiches came out lmfaooo you never know with these people
1 like@Linus Karlsson Clearly Mr. Dunn posed more of a threat to those kids listening to the "thug music" than they posed to him
2 likesPeople in comments trying to defend him 🤦
3 likes@Linus Karlsson you afraid of people who listen to biggie
1 like@Linus Karlsson "To be fair, black ppl listening to thug music that was turned down, just to abruptly turned up again was very likely to show "no bruh, you dont tell us what to do". I can see that they posed a threat to the man."
8 likesInterested to see how you can spin that one into not implying that playing loud music is a threat, Mr. Reading Comprehension. That's almost a verbatim reading of your words my guy lol
@Linus Karlsson Horrible comment
3 likes@Linus Karlsson LMAOOOO
2 likes@Linus Karlsson I'm curious why you didnt just say "people playing loud music is a threat" in spite of saying "black people playing loud music is a threat".
3 likes@Linus Karlsson What is 'thug music', rap music with controversial themes? It seems like the only way to lend credibility to Dunn's thought processes is to pretend that rap music and black children is/are intimidating which is EXTREMELY subjective considering how popular the music is among people of all races and cultures.
3 likesHonestly, people like Dunn demonstrate that they do not have the capacity to evaluate what constitutes a threat due to his personal beliefs about people who do not look and act like them.
@Linus Karlsson call it "thug music" and you sound just like him.
2 likes@Linus Karlsson weird how you seemingly know what a strawman argument is but not the right name for rap music,you'd have to have some pretty serious blinders on to not at least know the term "hip hop".
2 likesLet's put everyone from any race into a box and hate anyone with that color skin because of it. Believe that anyone of a certain race couldn't possibly be any other way or think any other way then a preconceived notion. The spread of this belief in this country is rapid. It is sickening.
0 likes@Linus Karlsson I kinda do get what you are trying to say. Dunno what these clowns above me getting mad about.
1 likeThere is definitely some thug music and you can feel threatened, not to the points of shooting but sure. And if you listen to the video which I guess people didn't do they did threaten him with words wow huh? what? they threatened him? Ye in video they do say that.
Like imagine you ask someone to turn down the music they do, then they turn it back on and they start cursing at you. You feel somewhat unsafe and then you leave that area.
@Linus Karlsson would you feel threatened if they were white tho? Lmaaooo
1 likeI live in an affluent neighborhood. I see white kids blasting “thug music” all the time but, they are not considered thugs right!? It’s just cool when they do it...smh 😒
6 likes@Linus Karlsson thug music? are you kidding me? Whole nations of teenagers nowadays do listen to rap music that you call "thug"? Who the hell he is to tell them what to do? Maybe he said it in a threatening manner? He was drunk and rude. He actually created the threat himself by coming to their car and threatening them for listening to the music loudly. It never should justify his lies about being threatened.
4 likes@DeToxcc Zebra because Michael lied about seeing a shotgun. And he lied about the conversation which was way shorter then he described according to independent witnesses. He contradicted himself there was loud music yet he heard every word they supposedly said to each other in the car. Then he sees a gun pointed at him and instead of hiding to avoid being shot, he opens up goes to the gun comes out of the car and starts blasting. Does it look logical to you and in accordance with his version of events? Not for everyone else, hence the defense failed to prove he was thinking he was in immediate danger. He didn't call 911, he didn't say to his fiancé a word about the gun yet said everything else, no proof of his words later whatsoever. He needed to have an excuse for that many bullets that's where all of those "rear seat passenger" and a shotgun came from. He was drunk and lost control from rage. btw, on everyone not saying he is racist, here is his neighbor evaluation/recollection what he was saying: https://floridajustice.com/michaeldunn, 18:51 timestamp
3 likes@The Puppet Head i know what rap music is. But calling it thug music seem more appropiate.
2 likes@Slimekin Joe depends. Less likely, but still very plausible. If they act disrespectful and agitated towards me, then yes.
0 likes@Zstead one yeah thats the part about reading comprehension. Was my focus on the music itself, or their mannerism? You clearly lack skills in reading comprehension since you think my issue was the dB of the music.
0 likes@Linus Karlsson I don't hold back on racism as well, I'm just saying I have reasons to be racist too based on my experience, but I didn't become one. I agree with you it's sometimes even seems popular to be openly shaming white peoples racism and the nation itself here in America for bad things they did in the past for other people. I always felt awkward when I heard something like this, sometimes from my own white professors at college, who would say "what can we do to change our privilege?" xDD. But I have not seen it to this point in other countries I've lived or studied to. I believe it's in a way same situation as with Holocaust - more time needed to pass before people get settled on slavery and Nazis and it won't be relevant anymore. And you are right, overall the majority of black people at least in America I meet, seem to be looking to the future more than to the past.
0 likes@Linus Karlsson From the verbatim reading of your comment, the qualifier 'thug' is applied to the word 'music'. Therefore, it is safe to conclude that you meant the music. That's what's called reading comprehension- when you analyze meaning out of what is written. Just because you had some other meaning in your head and were too stupid to be able to convey it clearly doesn't mean everyone else lacks reading comprehension, you just either made a stupid mistake or are afraid of admitting the point.
1 like@Zstead one if i tell you a murderer killed with a jumping rope, it doesn't automaticlly make him an athlete. So your logic was incredibly flawed.
0 likes@Linus Karlsson Except that's an implication that's far greater than the one you made, where you associated 'thug' with 'music' with 'threat'. Learn degrees of inferences and understand logical implications before you claim to see flaws.
1 like@Linus Karlsson it’s only cus they’re black white ppl also bump rap music at high volumes
2 likes@Linus Karlsson Ok, thanks for telling us. You are allowed to have a wrong sense of judgement just don't wonder when you're going to prison for 90 years because you are unable to judge a situation right and open fire on black teenagers, for listening to their "thug" music.
4 likes@avocado on toast w/egg and bacon He already said himself that he is kinda racist.Do you think he cares if you call him one ? The word is starting to lose its power and meaning which while sad is probably necessary.
0 likes@John Smith He definitely did deserve Prison.
1 like@J Shaw Nice one.
1 like@Daelyn Miller He already stated himself that he is. He is immune to your racist card.
2 likes@Amber Bela Muse I am not on his side here, but he clarified that he feels threatened by black people listening to rap. So no, he probably would not think you are a thug if you were listening to classic music.
0 likes@Reuel Naresh Dude you can't offend someone who calls himself a racist by calling him a racist. Is that so hard to understand people.
0 likes@Almira Izumchensky We are all racist. Every single person on planet earth is a racist with no exception. You may not express it ever or have no racist thought in your life. But psychology tells us that it is human nature to prefer people who look similar to us (therefore people of the same race) to people who do not (therefore people of other races).
1 likeIn which scale we express our racism or if we express it at all is subjective, but per definition you and me and every other person is a racist. This is not an opinion, it's psychology.
So starting your argument by saying that his arguments are invalid for the reason he is biased is simply put illogical. We are all biased. You as well. You might tell yourself that you are not but you are. It is in your nature.
@Linus Karlsson little boy that can hardly formulate a sentence. Trying ever so hard to convince the YT comment section he knows what he’s talking about.😂
2 likes@Linus Karlsson yeah i kept reading your comments and decided you’re a tad bit prejudice if not downright racist.
1 likeYou should look in the mirror before casting stones .
@Marius Acripina you can actually generalize it to the point that we all are apes, we all breathe and we all die someday. What you are trying to do here, is to attach nationalism, or patriotism, to racism. Loving your own culture and prefer it over others is not equal to hate, disregard, discriminate another race and view it as not deserving to exist which actual racism is hence this word. There is no scale that expressing your love to your own race would mean eradicate other human beings that do not belong to that. Just because we are all animals at some degree, it does not mean being a rapist is just a maximum scale of expression of someone's love to sex. It's simply viewed as a psychological flaw, defect, ugliness in our world of humans. Yes we have ugly, we have sick people. That we punish or treat in specific places. Now systematic racism has become like an Overton window, that allowed a lot of people to express their ugliness where there was an opportunity. Does it mean it was normal? No. But for sure, some ugly people could use their twisted nature to torture someone while not being prosecuted. Many got the opportunity, while there still were many who never was supporter of that. American Civil War is a great example. Some people were just not ok with what was happening. Funny how you would justify systemic racism of Nazi Germans, all of them would who would burn people, who are not enough Aryas, in gas chambers. They for sure loved their own race! And in my family, almost all of my great-grand fathers left to war and died to save us all from "people who express their preference to their own culture to the biggest scale", as you would call it? 26+ millions from my country died in that war, and that number is an understatement. People from all around the world remember their grandparents, dads, mothers - who were hanged, lynched, burned, shot just a century ago, sometimes less, because someone....expressed preference to their own race to a bigger degree? if you relate this to your generalized point about us all being having instincts by our psychology - I feel sorry for you. It's been quite some time since people started globalizing, coexisting civilly. Children see no skill color. They play with each other. Those hateful agendas are being put into our minds by someone else.
1 like@Almira Izumchensky I am racis, I don't care do not address me again. Thank you
0 likes@Marius Acripina correct
0 likes@Marius Acripina I do not believe he did, he felt he was in danger
0 likes@thepants1450 why? it's perfectly natural.
1 like@Linus Karlsson you can imagine them threatening HIM, but if that counted as justification for his actions, you could get away with anything as long as it felt okay in your own mind.
0 likes@S. H. im not a little boy, and im also not insulted by you trying to imply im childish. And yes, english isn't my native language, so im aware its far from perfect. But i also know i write well enough for you to understand everything i write perfectly well.
0 likesAnything else?
@Enomikas I think my question is more why he felt the need to open his mouth in the first place?? It’s so easy to just kind your business or move your car. Nobody owes anybody anything just for your personal comfort. Why is this even an argument?
1 like@Linus Karlsson the way that you claim you’ve experienced racism and harassment while also being racist yourself by playing into stereotypes is so hypocritical and lacks self awareness. Dunn could’ve easily just minded his business and not gotten involved if he was so “threatened” by “thug” music. This isn’t a defense considering he put himself in the position for confrontation. He initially approached them according to his own story.
3 likes@Macalia Erickson look. My original comment was never meany to insinuate he was doing the right thing or anything right at all. All i meant to say was ye, black kids acting disrespectful, listening to this kind of music in a group fits very well into the stereotype and also my experience of ppl who are capable to threaten someone. Thats it. And yeah i already admitted to being racist. Im sure you are too, towards whites, in some degree. As i already stated in like a million replies, i don't, and never would; go around and act racist towards black ppl. Never in my life have i used violence, and never will. But i see stereotypes as true for most of the times, and its true that also makes me racist. Now calm down.
0 likes@Linus Karlsson Disrespect isn't a threat. No one deserves respect. Only their bodies.
4 likes@Macalia Erickson I don't think people should get mad for asking to turn your music down. If you start cursing them just for that you should rethink your upbringing. And do you know what separates us from animals? we can talk and communicate. Look I'm not saying shooting was the right thing to do, heck no, he should go to jail. But if you start cursing at me for something as simple as that, I wouldn't want anything to do with you. There are people that shoot people for looking at them wrong. I don't want anything to do with you if you start yelling at me for something as stupid as music.
0 likes@Enomikas Exactly. People in this thread are acting as if they wouldn't even feel the slightest bit of trepidation when a car full of young men are blaring music and then get lippy when you ask them to turn it down.
0 likes@Linus Karlsson no, you wrote that as well as calling their music "thug music"...how did loud music turn into thug music? 🤔
2 likes@Linus Karlsson What threat? Eventual hearing loss? That's not a justification for self defense.
2 likes@Troodon good to know. Thanks for the info.
0 likes@Enomikas I don’t think the teenagers response was appropriate either however, as I said previously, they didn’t owe Dunn anything. I will never understand expecting people to do things for you when you don’t know them.
0 likes@Linus Karlsson considering you have been arguing in these comments for a few months now, it seems you need to consider calming down. As for me, I do not judge people based on their skin tone considering many times, stereotypes are incorrect and personal experiences do not speak for the majority. As for the boys, it looks like even the police didn’t buy the idea of self defense so I’m not sure why you’re so invested in that. Can you explain why Dunn approached the car to begin with if he was so threatened by the music. Do you normally approach things that scare you? Nothing you’ve argued makes sense.
4 likes@Macalia Erickson They don't have to turn down the music its more of a polite thing to do.
0 likes@Macalia Erickson i bet every penny i have ever owned you sometimes judge based on skin color.
0 likesAnd stereotypes are stereotypes for a reason.
And once again, whats up with you all thinking its the music being the threat? How many comments have i recieved now saying "how is loud music a threat", its stupid. He probably approached the care because he is a male karen and wanted to express his concern with loud music, but i wouldn't know because im not him.
Nothing i argued makes sense? How sad.
@Linus Karlsson the only reason people are bringing up the music being a threat is because your original statement says that. The entire point that others have been arguing with you is that he’s a male Karen who got couldn’t mind his business and got involved. None of the comments you made have stated this at all and you keep canceling out your previous statements. Please pick an argument and stick with it cause you’re all over the place. This is hilarious and I hope you have a good one.
3 likes@Macalia Erickson im all over the place? Ok lady you clearly didn't read my posts. Hope you have a great life.
0 likes@Linus Karlsson this was completely unnecessary. Anything could potentially be threatening. Also pretty disgusting that you’re defending him at all.
3 likes@Linus Karlsson “black people” idk if you noticed but teenagers of all races behave like them racist
2 likes@Carlin Pendleton what shooter exactly? Wtf.
0 likes@S. H. The person literally states themselves that they're racist so yeah
5 likesthat's his road man, he's gotta defend his road
0 likes@Linus Karlsson You've got some racism to work through.
0 likes@Kai Pierre And the 'thug music' remark--
0 likes@Linus Karlsson You've done a great job of making yourself look bad all on your own
1 likei'm not saying that his innocent, or anyone had a gun besides him.
0 likesbut if his story was true, the driver and shooter were two different person, so someone shooting your shooter, is a pretty reasonable to drive away.
@Linus Karlsson You literally just said you don't like them because of their skin colour--
3 likes@Dad He literally tried to say that black people oppress him lmfao!
1 like@Enomikas If you feel threatened by loud rap music you're soft.
1 like@Linus Karlsson "A bit" is a wild understatement
2 likesK.T.N.B.O.T.P
0 likesId argue its ok to shoot if they tryd to kill you, but your right, and he probable was just mad
0 likes@Mak there are soft people out. Not everyones in the army. Once I was comming home from work doing wheelies on my bicycles. Moved out of the of a car since it was a narrow street this was in UK and the guys thought I was stealing car parts. Did not have anything on me except for a small man purse? Got punched by one of them other tried to steal my phone but the others said no. What did I do wrong? It was in the night like 3am. And its not exatcly the music that scares me its more if a, them cursing at me while doing the opposite.
0 likes@Linus Karlsson lmfao "thug music" wtf does that mean , also i'm sure he started the engagement because he had a gun so he felt safe and have no doubt on using it after the minimum threat (which was turning up the music)
0 likes@YourStepMother people feel threatened when others respond to your request that way. It may be unfounded but that's how people feel. Language, disrespect, etc. I didn't mean feel like your life was threatened, so apology if you took it that way. That part was invented by the perpetrator. Clearly a lie, and the trial exposed this as you pointed out.
0 likesPolice do it all of the time.
1 like@Linus Karlsson it doesn't matter what the kids were listening. They could be listening to Satan music 🎶. One doesn't have the right to tell people what to do. If one doesn't like what others are doing, one can always leave. In this case, this guy ordered the kids to lower the music 🎶 because he was prejudiced towards the kids for their race. They lowered the volume, however, they realized the position of power he spoke, and said no to him by increasing the volume back up. He got angry and acted on his assumed position of power with violence and lethality.
1 like@Linus Karlsson You can believe they are capable of threatening someone, that doesnt mean they did. Independent witnesses said they didn't. He killed him, had no justifiable defense.
1 like@Linus Karlsson It was probably rap. Rap is not "thug music", it's a genre ppl enjoy. If he didn't like it, def could've moved the car to a different spot. Also, music does not always correlate with personality. I doubt they were genuinely threathening, he was just pissed some kids told him off. If he genuinely thought they were a threat and found out there really was no threat later, he would've been distraught that he just killed an innocent kid. He wasn't, showed no remorse, and kept trying to justify his actions. He deserves everything coming to him.
1 like@Linus Karlsson So black people are capable of threatening people because they are playing loud music? 🤨
0 likes@Linus Karlsson So you believe that they posed a threat because they are black teens in a car blasting music? Well I think this man is lying because that's what majority of racist white middle aged men do when harming someone. From my personal experience I fully believe he is 100% lying😊
1 like@Linus Karlsson "thug music" he says. ignorant.
0 likes@Linus Karlsson no offense to your headass comment but no one knows what type of music they’re listening. For all we know they could’ve blasted some drake
0 likes@Marius Acripina are you that naive to believe its the “rap music” he was threatened by? iMy point is the term thug had nothing to do with music, nothing to do with mannerisms. Its their skin color. He was threatened by their black skin. He doesnt like black people and his girlfriend knew it.
0 likes@Amber Bela Muse And that tells us ?
0 likes@Linus Karlsson found the racist, jesus christ. Since when is loud music a threat? You’ve seriously never blasted music in the car with your friends when you were young? They’re kids. That’s what kids do. They’re only threatening if you’re afraid of black men.
2 likes@Linus Karlsson "i am slightly racist." Discussion over lol.
1 likeEven harder when they drive away and then you get out of your card to shoot 4 more times
0 likes@Linus Karlsson you admit ur racist that’s all we had to hear for why ur defending a racists terrible actions
2 likesWatching far to much csi Miami lol or bad boys
0 likesIunno, cops seem to get away with it.
0 likes@Linus Karlsson I think it's suffice to say that admitting to being "slightly" racist makes you look bad enough on its own.
0 likes@Carlin Pendleton false. Luckily stand your ground laws have especially detailed clauses for firing into a vehicle and what constitutes both aggression and appropriate retaliatory force. So in conclusion it's hard to claim self defense when you're firing into a vehicle driving away from you.
1 like@Jordan Wade hmm.. even when the driver is a different person from the one actively shooting at you? I don’t think so. I mean it’d be a tricky tangly mess in court but… idk- I will say, it’s an interesting hypothetical..
0 likes@JonesFam I agree totally with you !
0 likes@Macalia Erickson totally agree with your first comment ! Why he open his mounth just for music. Music ! Something who make people happy. And it's not like he would stay somes hours at the gas station, this is a public place where he came just for wine, so 5 mn, 10mn...if he felt bothered he can go...
0 likes@YourStepMother yeah and I would be angry also..
0 likes@Carlin Pendleton Facts…but he completely overreacted…just saying. Def agree though
0 likesWell, to be fair, bullets can still be fired out of a car in reverse and moving away from you. Problem is, all the boys did was verbally threaten Dunn so there's no evidence to justify him shooting into the car unlike Drejka who was violently pushed off his feet and unable to flee with his assailant standing over him.
1 likeYou ain't lying,, that's exactly what it is,, well he say he shit the door because he felt afraid for his life,,, his mind is not like ours😁🤣😂🤣😂, he different🤦🤷🤣😂
0 likes@Omniferous Swan I didnt murder any kids ;-;
0 likes@Linus Karlsson dude, why do you hate everyone whos not white?
0 likes@Linus Karlsson And you're offended by music? why are you so scared of anything thats not a white person?
0 likes@Carlin Pendleton there was no shooter! You missed that?
0 likesyeah, better carry a handbook of what's lawful and what bites your *ss in every stressful situation.
0 likesWhat if they are shooting at you as they drive away?
0 likes@Robert Gaudet Were they shooting at him? 🤨
1 likeThe police do that all the time
0 likes@Brianna Alvarez Exactly!! I can’t with people calling it thug music, like it’s only created by people who commit crimes and are real life gangsters. It’s rap. It’s a genre of music. You don’t even have to like it if you don’t like the drugs and idk other “thug” themes (I can’t think of anymore) in the music. And if it were white kids listening to “thug” music and telling him off, he wouldn’t have done a thing. He would have thought “they’re just dumb kids.”
0 likesWhere I live everyone carry’s guns around. I am white and I blast rap music with the windows down all the time. No one has ever perceived me as a threat. These kids do the same thing and they get shot for it. This world is disgusting.
@Linus Karlsson "I have a good reason to be racist"
1 likeYeah, you're the first in your family to walk upright.
@Carlin Pendleton still it makes it harder to claim than if the car doing the opposite.
0 likesNo, it's clearly self-defence. He feared for
0 likeshisRhonda's life because he knew theboysgangsters were about to fire their stick backwards over their shoulders like movie characters.@Carlin Pendleton "shooter" What shooter? The guy who murdered a kid and almost killed some more?
0 likesYeah😂
0 likes@Linus Karlsson you literally are the straw man
0 likes@Linus Karlsson Lemme try and rationalize this. Because of a previous interaction with black people and/or having been exposed to stereotypes of black people being inherently loud and violent with very little to suggest otherwise, you approach any following interaction with a preset notion that they are likely dangerous individuals. Is that what you're saying? Because if so, you're not exactly racist, but you definitely lack perspective. Not every rapper is a drug addict and not all songs are about sex and thug life. There are plenty of rappers who use their music as a way of calling attention to problems in society, or to tell a story. While a lot of rap music sounds somewhat the same, the variety in its content is just as diverse as any other genre. I won't touch on black people being inherently aggressive or dangerous because it would seem you understand that it's not true. But I would recommend looking into it a bit further. From the way you phrased your opinion, you might've made the exact same mistake as the guy above.
1 like@Nintendo Freak You got it pretty much right. In addition to what you said i would like to add, my experience is not based on an isolated incident. Its sadly plentyful. And obviously there are exceptions. Statistics support the claim that blacks are more prone to violence than whites, so there is no point arguing about that.
0 likesBold claim to say its inhereted, you might say. Keep in mind its not necessary geneticly speaking, its more likely culturaly inherited.
Fair enough, not all rap is promoting drugs and crimes. Like some country isn't about love or a cowboy dude. However a lot of mainstream rap does tho, especially the type that gangs blast in their speakers.
And 10 shots
0 likesNo, actually it is not hard to claim self-defense if you shoot at someone driving or walking away from you. It depends on what the person or persons in the vehicle are doing at the time they are driving away. The right to self-defense does not depend on which war the person is going at the time. Had someone in the red vehicle been shooting at him, he might have had a self-defense case, but based on what the evidence showed, it was not self-defense. Study your law books Indy before you make such an uninformed remark.
0 likes@Linus Karlsson Hi friend, I appreciate you taking the time to respond to people's comments, though, admittedly, I couldn't disagree with you more. The word violence is broad and vague to the point of meaninglessness. I don't believe that Black people are more violent than White people or Latinos (who are usually white-passing). Still, I do know that Black people are "overrepresented among offenders in nonfatal violent crimes overall (29%) relative to their share of the U.S. population (13%)" (source 1). Due to this, people often draw the conclusion that Black people are more violent. I also believe that some people have consciously (or unconsciously) decided that Black people are more violent, and then they look at crime stats and have their pre-determined belief confirmed. Statistics are great, but we should never just accept them outright without critically thinking about them. Hope you have a good day!
0 likesSource 1: https://bjs.ojp.gov/content/pub/pdf/revcoa18.pdf
i hope those boys and Rhonda are able to find peace after this… what an awful thing. may that man rot for trying to take innocent lives.
4 likesEven if he was “scared” he never once mentioned being worried about Rhonda getting hurt until he got on the stand. Very manipulative
0 likesRhonda is such a sweetheart, she didn't deserve any of this and I hope she's found happiness
3 likesThe crazy part about of this is if this guy had a decent lawyer from the start he beats this case fairly easily
0 likesHe clearly has a lot of prejudice and suppressed hatred for young black men but the fact that it only took a few rum and cokes for him to murder one still blows my mind
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We need to make hard drugs like alcohol illegal. Alcohol leads to murders, domestic violence, rapes, assaults, and more. Anyone who abused hard drugs in the past should be convicted to 10 years of forced labor in a private prison. 🌈
0 likes@Robert Schnobert what? No
0 likes@Robert Schnobert mashallah brother
0 likesI, too, get annoyed when I hear kids playing obnoxiously loud music. But instead of wanting to murder them, I simply think of Karma and how it is being visited upon me for doing THE EXACT SAME THING when I was a kid. Please. No one cares about whether or not you appreciate the quality or volume of the music playing from a teenager's car. It's practically a rite of passage.
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hah hah those were the days
0 likesI used to play music loud too.....and the difference between how I was raised and how kids today are: if an adult, ANY adult told me to turn it down, I did. Just because it is a rite of passage doesn't make it acceptable.
0 likesEven the cops said they could see the "kids" getting all hot headed and mouthing off. They didn't deserve to be shot at, but please don't even TRY and tell me that guy didn't say anything back to Dunn like get that mothereffer etc.
@Muskoka Mike It doesn't matter one iota what the teenager said to Mr. Dunn about his request to turn down the music. The young man's disrespectful speech is protected by the 1st amendment of this country's Constitution. And the consequences for disrespectful speech are not murder-by-gunfire. As to your point about kids being less respectful of authority today than they were in generations past, you have a legit point, but the larger point is that this generation was RAISED by our generation.
9 likes@Muskoka Mike The ONLY person who perceived a "threat" that had to be met with deadly force was Mr. Dunn. No one else. What are the odds that the man who lied about nearly every aspect of the murder he committed also lied about the shotgun barrel? Answer: A jury of his peers determined those odds to be not 99%, but 100%. They found him to be both a murderer and a liar. What obviously happened was that he didn't like the "thugs" attitude of disrespect and the "rap crap" so he decided to correct their attitude by unloading his clip into their SUV. Yes, for Mr. Dunn, black "thugs" who are disrespectful deserve death, and that is what he delivered. He could have ended all 4 of their lives! There was NO weapon. No stick. No barrel. Nothing but Mr. Dunn's heart full of virulent racism and mouth full of lies and baseless justifications. Mr. Dunn played a stupid game and he won the grand prize of life without parole.
2 likes@Mosca Bianca now back to the excuse you gave previously:
0 likesNo, a person saying they are going to kill you is NOT protected under the 1st amendment.
Everything else you wrote, and I bet you enjoyed it, is irrelevant.
Here's how it works:
They can play their music
ANYONE can tell them to turn it down
They can abide by that request or not
The person complaining can then call the police and have them cited for disturbing the peace.
The ones playing the music do NOT have the right to make threats against the person making the request to turn down their music.
IF one of them said "I'm going to kill that mothereffer" or anything of the sort, then the person making the request THEN has reasonable grounds to perceive that as a threat and defend themselves.
If you think even for an instant that you are protected by law to make a threat against someone, you're in for a rude awakening.
@Muskoka Mike That is not the case. Dunn had an obligation under the stand your ground statute to retreat because it was possible for him to do so. Not only did he choose not to retreat, he kept firing at his victims after they attempted to escape the hail of gunfire he rained down upon their vehicle. Then he chose not to call the police. Then he chose to drive out of the jurisdiction the following morning. Then he chose to lie to investigators. Beyond that, there was no weapon of any kind or anything resembling a weapon, as he claimed he saw, that justified deadly force as a legal defense. The jury reached a just verdict and the judge issued a just sentence.
0 likes@Mosca Bianca Once again, blah blah blah.
0 likesNO, your teenage heros did NOT have a right to utter threats at anyone. PERIOD.
Dunn couldn't have left, HIS FIANCE was still INSIDE lol
If YOU think you have a protected right to threaten someone, you're going to find yourself in jail at some point......
@Muskoka Mike And if you are ever faced with the same set of circumstances that your hero faced and choose to behave in the same manner, trust that you will enjoy similar accommodations as Mr. Dunn now enjoys for the balance of your life. Choose wisely.
5 likes@Mosca Bianca LOL @ hero....you're funny and not in a stand up comedian sort of way.
0 likesBTW: I have faced the same situation and when someone threatened to kill me, I kicked their ass 6 ways from sunday.
Remember one thing: I never asserted that you can legally threaten the life of someone, that's all you!
@Muskoka MikeNice discussion. Though we did not necessarily have a meeting of the minds, you kept the discourse mostly civil and hopefully, we both learned something in the process.
2 likes@Muskoka Mike no he didn't threaten him although u keep trying to say he did. Dunn was a murderer and had no reasont do what he did plain and simple.
1 likeI thought there was quite a contrast between Rhonda’s testimony vs Michael in regards to the issue of him telling her the boys had a gun. This came out near the end of the video.. he seems quite cold whereas she is very upset by the entire incident and her emotions line up with what she says. Mike tried very hard to project his nobility but that ended up being exactly what was in question. The door being open on the car was another major issue with his story, this was specifically asked by the detectives. It’s a major conflict that mikes story don’t line up because of the forensics of the ballistics, the door could not have been opened because the bullets were in the kid and the door. Mikes rendering of the story had many flaws. When he seemed to show the most emotion was over Ronda during the trial telling his story, I think at that moment he was realizing he may never be with her again in this life and was manufacturing as much emotion as he could but then switched gears and soberly answered a question as if the emotions switched off . Quite the contrast between Ronda and mike.
1 likeThis guy chose to park next to them. And he'll be leaving soon. It wasn't like next store neighbors having a loud party until the wee hours of the morning. And Rhonda wasn't really talking to him about what happened on the drive to there hotel. She knew better, she knew not to get him upset again. She was scared of him. She knew what he was like.
6 likesWell, I can confirm that no Black kid their age says phrases such as “you’re dead, b***h!” It’s only in the movies. If I can hear a group of people saying “let’s f*****g kill him” and “you’re dead, b***h!” then I highly doubt I’m going to roll down my window to confront what is already deemed to be an extremely hostile situation. The total lack of remorse shown by a man who just fired multiple rounds into a car full of young men is obviously something that stems from racially-charged prejudices.
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Yeah not to sound weird but that’s not really how black people talk.
9 likesGood point. That isn't not how black people talk at all. That's how he talks. That was projection.
13 likesWhat he calls thugs will now be called cell mates.
7 likesAny normal person just shrugs at loud music, or mutters to themselves about it. The only reason he reacted the way he did is because he was armed, and because of that was on a power trip. People who are armed approach situations like these a lot differently than anyone else.
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In my experience most Gun carriers try harder to avoid situations like this than non-carriers
3 likesYoure wrong. A select few who make the news but most do not go on a power trip. Theres a few bad apples in every bunch
0 likesCountless times I have come across people playing their music super loud at the lights, petrol stations, supermarkets etc. It's annoying but I ignore it and move on. Why would anyone get this mad and shoot the occupants? Insane. Guns give some people a sense of god like powers and they see it as a way of solving trivial problems.
8 likesCome on guys he's innocent. I confuse shotguns for sticks all the time. Walking through the woods is terrifying
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The giving tree lookin mad weird at a distance
333 likesIt's happened like 3 times, never had my glasses on
76 likesLmaoo just walking down the path like “oh what a nice da-AHHH PLEASE TAKE MY WALLET oh it’s just a stick. Whew. AHHH PLEASE NO oh it’s another stick.”
197 likes😂😂😂😂💀. Guns everywhere.
21 likesI seen a loaded stick before…..
52 likes@David Devita they exist people just don't want to believe it,,,
19 likesYeah the whole country has a gun issue. Get it sorted for gods sake
17 likesImagine claiming you frequently walk through the woods and have never seen a shotgun tree.
42 likesI went to the shotgun store but ended up in the forest again. Then I went to the forest and ended up in a shotgun shop.
34 likesIt really is a minefield
@rafer Jefferson iii That's why the brands called mossberg
11 likes@Imoblivious I can never find my mossberg. It’s camouflaged so well
8 likesIs your gun rack full of branches?
9 likesAnd expensive. So much ammo expended after every hike.
2 likesI’d rather let out the Hmong guy.
2 likesTrees attack you, you're the victim. I mean, it's ABSURD that they would do that, but, they're violent.
13 likes@Robert Gaudet excuse me sir, may I ask why you have a gun tree.
8 likesMe: careful it's well branched out and heavily armed
Exactly. They are the same shape and everything
2 likes@David Devita I almost shit maself with that jajajaajjajaja
3 likesI stepped on one and thought I was going to die.
5 likesAll them trees out to get ya
2 likesAre they loaded? Who's holding them? Are they sentient???
5 likes@See Me Rolling 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
0 likesMan those lightsaber duals as a kid would've been crazy if we were swinging shotguns around instead
5 likesdo you flinch every time you take a leak?
3 likesLmao
1 likeyeah, they definitely lifted up a stick to the window in a way that would cause anyone to confuse it with a gun! that's absoLUTELy something that happened!
2 likessorry 'bout the prison time, 'bro'.
id lmao if a kid didn't have to die for us all to see who this man truly is once his mask slipped
I wonder how he'd react were ME & MY friends bumping the exact same song @ the same volume. I wonder ... would little white girls n boys compel that dude SHOOT UP THE CAR???!!
"Can you turn that shooting down"
2 likesLOOOL
1 likea death threat is still a death threat, there were four of them and one of him, he reached down and brought up a weapon intentionally, doesnt matter if it was a stick or a gun
2 likesWell some people call shotguns boomSTICKS so....
3 likesI’m surprised he didn’t mention the possibility of AK-47 !
1 likeSpeaking of sticks, listen to his track "Stick A Shank In Me, I'm Dunn"
1 likeTo anybody studying law in the comments, can a lawyer actually lie or tell his client to lie? Cause I keep seeing that it's not authorized in many jurisdictions but in all these videos we see the accused being instructed by their lawyer to reshape their version of events, isn't that lying to the jury? (for example Michael Dunn saying they told him "shit's about to go down" only after counsel from his attorney, and exaggerating the whole situation)
1 likeI’m an avid hiker. Can you imagine what it must be like for me? It’s like my life is being threatened everyday. I’ve called the police multiple times to report that I’m being shot at, only to waste their time and resources because I didn’t realize it was just trees.
5 likes😆 🤣 😂 😹 😆 🤣 😂 😹 😆
1 likeStoppp 💀💀
0 likes🤪🤣🤣🤣
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0 likes@Sharyn Allan Guns grow on trees in the USA. And sticks also grow on trees. It’s a mess.
4 likesshotgun trees hit different in the woods
1 likeyou are wrong for this lol
0 likes\
It was a stick up
2 likesThere's a path I walk down to and from work. In winter it can be absolutely pitch black on the way back. Some times a bush or stray plant can get that ogga booga part of my brain firing off. Puts you on edge.
0 likesThe loud thumping sound hurt his ears but 8 gunshots didn't! 😛
2 likesLMAO ohhhh man, good one. Best comment ever.
0 likesI can’t stop laughing at all these shotgun tree analogy jokes. 😹😹😹😹
1 like@rafer Jefferson iii lol good stuff
0 likesGot us in the first half, not gonna lie
0 likeslol
0 likesThere was a shotgun tapping against my window last night, horrifying.
2 likesIs it bad that I heard "fortunate son" stsrting to play when i read this comment?
1 likeI love this thread.
0 likesfucking LMAO
0 likesthey were probably gangbangers though. Easy to assume they were armed. The gangster rap is a sign.
0 likesGet back to work egor
0 likesLol Now I'm going to be to afraid to go hiking at the mountainside.
0 likesI know, so many trees pointing things at me. Are they sticks or guns?
0 likesEspecially when the trees play loud rap crap 🤦🏿♂️
0 likesYou made me laugh out loud in a bus and people looked at me weird.
0 likes🤣🤣
0 likesOnly problem is there wasn’t even a stick
0 likesLMAO
0 likesOmg I just choked on my sprite 😭😭😭😭😭🤣 🤣🤣😭 lmmfao
0 likesHe ain’t innocent his ass bttr stay in p.c 🤣 i dont lower my music for nobody ya gotta deal with my Spanish music whereever i go
0 likesThe fiance (Rhonda) dodged a bullet by not being with him anymore, but at the cost of that young mans life. So tragic.
6 likesOne of the many takeaways from JCS content is to never speak to police without a lawyer
3 likesSo it sounds like she was aware that he murdered this teenager and did this whole crime and she wants to run away. It seems like she threw him to the Wolves when she realized that they were both likely in trouble. Had his license plate number not been written down by a witness or Witnesses at the scene, I believe that she would have never spoken to the police and covered his tracks with him. I think that there is a case as to why she should have been criminally charged as well.
0 likesthis is so damn tragic... and as for the young man who died in that line of fire... So sorry man... it should not have been like this... but it happened so fast without any good reason at all...RIP , condoleances to the people who love him. As his wife tragically became a victim by losing her husband in this manner and getting pulled into a crime with the loss of a human life... as for the one responsible... you are where you belong even tough I still have doubts wether he is being a little truthfull or just without any emotion , I do not think he is without emotion but lives in denial however , he seems without emotion tough... Just not entirely sure(not yet)
0 likes"I'm the victor, but also the victim" Yes Mike, you truly are the "victor" for opening fire at a car full of unarmed teenagers...
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*at a Gas Station
59 likes@Shammo • Nah. His sentence is correct
28 likes@Skye Himalaya ye the sentence is correct didnt say anything about that but imagine what could have happened from Shooting a gun at a Gas Station
67 likes@Shammo • What sense does that make lmao.
11 likes@Skye Himalaya the fucking Gas Station blowing up?
114 likes@Shammo • Ah, that makes more sense. Didn't know what you were referring to.
18 likes@Shammo • you do know that a bullet hitting gasoline doesn't just blow it all up like in the movies right?
40 likes@Dominick Schrute ehhhhh it’s possible if one bullet causes gas to leak and another causes a spark from impact with a surface, and considering how many rounds he was dumping it definitely could’ve happened, crazier things have
61 likes@Dominick Schrute You sound experienced in the field of shooting at gasoline lol
17 likes@Random guy with a baseball batte saw it on Mythbusters...
17 likes@Dominick Schrute I was joking
1 like@StikySamurai he was shooting at the car door. Last I checked people didn’t have internal gas tanks. Pretty sure he hit a person, too. I don’t think that guy was sitting next to a gas tank.
2 likes@J VII the car? It has an internal gas tank
6 likes@J VII and after impact remember bullets can do weird things
5 likes@J VII I didn’t mean to imply he was shooting at the car’s gas tank, rather that if a stray bullet struck a gas pump causing it to leak another one could’ve caused a spark to ignite it.
2 likes@J VII I’m not supporting what he did as a matter of fact I condemn it completely. I was just trying to point out that it could’ve gone a lot worse and many other could’ve been injured/killed by his actions
2 likesCops do that on the daily
1 like@Skye Himalaya a lot
0 likes@Skye Himalaya are you simple?
0 likes@Random guy with a baseball batte he knows all about it
1 likeWhat's your profile picture from
0 likes@Fiendish Memory lmao what. I haven't been apart of this comment thread for a while. What do you want
0 likes@George Mcfly [Vinesauce] Vinny - Android Trash #5
0 likes@Shammo • So true!! That would have been very dangerous!!
0 likes@adjudicator_heroic as a long time shooter, sometimes bullets can do weird things even before impact. It's almost like people don't understand that when you launch an unguided projectile, you've relinquished control of it.
3 likes@J VII my dude was shooting at a car door and his aim was so poor he shot every part of the car
1 likeNot to mention there could have been a racially motivated, he called it thug music
4 likesHe caught them lackin
1 likeThey were armed! With shotguns!.... Or sticks... Shotgunsticks
4 likeshearing him say that triggers my fucking gag reflex every time. its just disgusting for him to say that!
1 likeHe called them thugs. The guy who opened fire on a group of teenagers because he threw a tantrum is calling other people thugs
11 likes@Shammo • unexpected ratio
0 likesdon't forget that he kept shooting after the car was driving away
1 like@Shammo • real life is not a gta, son
0 likes@Setryon N1 who tf are you calling people son? And so you would say it's a good idea shooting at a gas station or what? Some guys really wanna correct people just for the sake of it smh
0 likes@Setryon N1 oh plus congrats for defending a murderer 🎉🎉
0 likes@Mack Edwards Drug dealers? Where are you getting that info from? The police said these boys had no prior run ins with the law. And it’s not ‘allegedly,’ they were unarmed. That was fact. You sound way too eager to strip people of their humanity.
1 like@JeffSayYes It’s not a shame. He’s evil.
0 likesIt was way deeper than that, this is coming from a mom raising a black son in America. That wanted to kill them out of the hate in heart. The wife said he had five drinks...his true colors came out... This was a hate crime and its heartbreaking. I cried for the parents to sit in that court room with him they knew they felt it..The mom was numb dad was broken. This is also of mom of a school aged child. It's 2022 and with the Robb Elementary school shooting in Texas smh..we need some type of gun control... or this will continue to happen.
2 likesI’ve listened to this story a handful of times over the past year and it still never gets old how the narrator says “beloved puppy”
1 likeYou can’t just say “ I was in fear for my life” and then it all be good. You need to actually have a reason to be in fear of your life. Dude has been hanging around to many gun range attorneys
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That excuse only works for pigs
3 likes@Lief Theorine BLUE LIVES MATTER 👮💙
1 like@Herbert West COPS DO IT BY THE BOOKS
1 likeDunn, no doubt, was a member of the 'Real Men Carry Guns Club'. This is why people are petrified that if more people got a hold of a 'firing weapon' there'd be way more friggin' tragedy'. Where I live, innocent people at the wrong place at the wrong time get killed by gunshots and it can all happen in a parking lot , restaurant, beauty salons etc. Glad Dunn is done.
6 likesI guess he counted on his fiance to save his arse by lying for him. Respect to this lady for doing what is right.
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I think she was looking for an out, and coincidentally this happened.
36 likesAgreed. The guy was a total piece of sh*t that abused her psychologically, verbally, and physically. Not only that he has a track record of abuse with his previous wives. Her defending him would have made no sense and she did the right thing.
70 likes@Daniel Zerich Wow give her some damn credit jesus do you understand how hard it is to turn on your partner like that ?
27 likes@Stina boop*
3 likes@Stina he didn’t say anything bad about her….he was saying she might have been looking for a way out of the relationship and this coincidentally happened. I mean considering he had a previous record of abuse, that would be a possibility
10 likes@Stina For women, it's quite easy. They always defer to the strongest authority, regardless.
1 likeI also thought would she lie about the other car
2 likeshaving a gun. This was damming testimony to him.
She told the truth. A good and brave woman.
She did not want to speak about this over the prison phone.
Definitely !! that’s why he kept mention how much he loves her on the way home , not because he genuinely does . I’m sure he only wants to remind her of the “ loyalty “she’s supposed to have to him in his twisted / arrogant ass mind.
4 likes@K See What a nonsense comment that is.
5 likes@K See Incel lmao
4 likestruth
0 likesThere must be so much turmoil for Rhonda. The man she loves, but she doesn't cover up and lie for him. She was sad for the victim and the whole tragedy. There are still good people on this earth.
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She knew the kind of man he was
0 likesI find it somewhat ironic that when a cop kills an innocent man because he “thinks he has a weapon” then all is forgiven, but when Joe Public who has no training or experience of deadly situations does it, they are interrogated like this.
10 likesObviously this guy deserves to go to prison for a long time but I’m hard pressed to except the clear difference in treatment.
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Cops don’t shoot people because they see a stick though, when a cop shoots an unarmed man 9/10 the dude moved fast towards them, or is fishing in his pockets
3 likesNo defense lawyer ever said to himself, "Boy, I'm glad my client spoke with the police before retaining my services"... even if you believe you have a clear-cut self-defense situation, you don't answer any questions. You request a lawyer. Talking to the police is not going to get you home any faster than talking with your lawyer.
2 likesIt speaks volumes to the kind of person he is, that he would call them violent when he was the only one who hurt and killed someone that night. And it speaks volumes in contrast to what kind of person his ex-fiance is, that she was so afraid to testify that she would tremble and forget her right/lefts, but still do it fully and honestly
0 likesYou could tell it broke her heart not to lie for him, but she was gonna tell the truth. Good for her, that dude is trash.
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You can be my Rhonda :3
20 likes@JG Luxe bruh
134 likes@JG Luxe brother is down horrendous
113 likes@JG Luxe down egregiously atrocious
81 likes@JG Luxe down absolutely universally astronomically
60 likes@JG Luxe quite considerably subterranean and, with complete honesty, in a severe state of harrowing struggle
60 likesHonestly I think she felt absolutely horrible because it was her decision to stop at the gas station. She probably is feeling a lot of internalized guilt about it and she seems to be actually grieving the death of that teenager. I think it probably is partially because she knows that testifying against him will end up with him in jail but I know personally, even if I loved the person to death, if they did what he did I would be doing the same thing she is. I actually feel really bad for her
56 likes@JG Luxe Get help
8 likes@Emmett Paul Yeah, honsestly the same. None of this is her fault and I hope she can deal with it and move past this fucker ruining everyone’s life.
10 likesThat guy definitely had a pattern of racist behavior “I hate that thug music” “I know you do honey” that’s someone who says racist shit everyday
22 likes@JG Luxe boy sit down
4 likes@JG Luxe LMAO
2 likesMan down call the ambulance @JG Luxe
2 likesr/increasinglyverbose
1 likeGuys, this just shows why you don't get married. She'll throw you under the bus. And then a bunch of women on youtube will agree with her.
0 likes@Jazza BigHits hey but what about gay marriage?
0 likes@😁smiley face I don't believe in gay marriage. Gays are free to be together if they'd like but that isn't marriage, it's a civil union.
0 likes@Jazza BigHits interesting take Jazza.
0 likesI wish you good luck in your life.
@😁smiley face Thanks for leaving out the hostility, hope you have good luck in yours too
0 likes@Jazza BigHits wow that was special…in a bad way if you weren’t sure.
0 likes@jcsaclkh What was special? The fact that I don't believe in gay marriage (it's considered a civil union), or the fact that i think you shouldn't throw your partner under the bus if they commit a crime? (Note: i commented something similar on the Teen Emo Thrill Killer JCS inspired video saying the boyfriend gave her up and threw her under the bus, it's not about gender, it's about loyalty)
0 likes@Jazza BigHits all of that
0 likes@jcsaclkh Fair enough, you're entitled to your opinion as well. Hope you have a good night/day
0 likes@Jazza BigHits well duh. Although, being entitled to a shit opinion still makes it a shit opinion.
0 likes@jcsaclkh It's good that you can concede that your opinion is shit, but you don't need to be so down on yourself. Any opinion makes sense depending on context and differing experiences of individuals.
0 likes@Jazza BigHits lol also incredibly false. You really need to learn to not speak in generalities and extremes. Not all crimes should be kept secret for a loved one and not all opinions make sense even with full context and specific experiences. You’re apparently stuck in an incredibly small box that you can’t think your way out it.
0 likes"I really didn't know I was being charged with murder ... that sucks"
13 likes-wow 😭😭😭
Tommy Stornes is a damn hero, shout out to him, and RIP Jordan Davis. Rediculous.
0 likesLong ago when I was at college, maybe about 21/22 yo, I came home a bit late one night and entering my room, to turn the light on, I mistakenly switched on the AC plug outlet switch and my dual cassette player-recorder(which was plugged in and gifted by my dad when I had passed out high school) abruptly blared out a Motely Crue number. My dad who was sleeping in the adjacent room got up from his slumber, took an axe from the store room and smashed the player into pieces. That was a horrible moment in my life. I'm 50 now but am still puzzled why he had acted so violent at such a trivial thing. But I get consolation from my confidence that I can never do something like that with my son who's now 19.
3 likesI don't believe he would not have done the same thing to ANY color skin. Narcissists are not into thinking they are better than a specific race, just better than anyone!
4 likesRhonda dodged a bullet.
I can see why he liked Rhonda so much, she seems like a genuinely great human being. However she is SUCH a good person (unfortunately for him) that she wouldn't lie on the stand for him. I really feel for her, she was thrust into this situation through no fault of her own, but she did the right thing, which I'm sure was not easy.
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Ryan Hanselman that’s why she was shaking. She has too good of a conscience too lie for him. She knew she was sending him to prison.
231 likesFrom the recorded phone calls played in the beginning of the video, Rhonda seems like she tries to distance herself from Michael's racist comments and rants too. She really does appear to be an honest woman, which makes me wonder what she sees in Michael and why she still supports him.
209 likes@Nolan Harris probably in denial and didn't wanna believe him until this tragedy happened
36 likesHe liked Rhonda so much because he’s a control freak and she’s totally submissive!!
78 likes@Juanita Young totally submissive?! She refused to lie for him! That doesn't sound too submissive to me.
137 likesI got the same impression. She got lucky though he would of been the type of husband that you see on the news begging for help trying to find his missing wife that just all of a sudden vanished and right after all the carpet in the house gets replaced.
82 likes@dil oreo Yea it's really sad to watch her give testimony. You can tell that it was killing her to contradict everything that this POS was saying about the shooting, but she knew what she had to do. I hope she moved on with her life and found someone much better than some racist POS who kills over too much bass.
58 likesRyan Hanselman of course she refused to lie for him.. it’s a court of law and she’s be more worried about GOD striking her down
9 likesRyan Hanselman Somewhere in her interrogation it sounded as if maybe she felt guilty that she had wanted to stop to buy the bottle of wine. Like she was thinking, this wouldn’t have happened if ... (But problem people have to be supervised and she stepped away for a few minutes.)
14 likes@Lisa Tosca Uhm no?? If she did, she would have lied to corroborate his story. The reason she was so broken up was because she spent *four years of her life* with him, and she was going to marry him. She was in love with him, and all of that came crumbling down because of some kids playing some music. Plus, you don't just stop loving someone over night because they fucked up, no matter how extreme. That shit takes years to heal, if it ever does. She's an extremely compassionate and brave person, and she should honestly be applauded for putting justice & truth before any lingering feelings she had for this man.
33 likesI think they made a deal immunity from prosecution if she told the truth and stuck the truth during the trial. Originally, she was an accomplice to the shooting since she ran and did not report it. If I am in the car during a driveby shooting I am arrested, too. She signed a sworn statement during her interrogation and there was no backing out during the trial.
8 likesWord
2 likesFinally someone who gets it.
3 likesI sure hope she got some counseling and has found a good man and is happy!!
8 likesYeah, Ronda deserves a medal. Its very tragic, the kind of pain this crime inflicted into her.
5 likesnarcissists usually target strong empaths like her
19 likesNarcissists are attract to empaths.
9 likes@Alfred Indy I don't think she was ever really considered an accomplice. It's pretty clear from the video she was inside the store when it happened. I don't think she needed immunity because she obviously did nothing wrong. Where are you getting this info that she was granted immunity? Just a hunch?
12 likes@Plumsmuggler In the video where they said that she signed a sworn statement. It was stated that she would not change her story at the trial. I do know that if you are with someone when they commit a crime and don't report it and escape with the person involve that you are considered an accomplice. That almost happened to me once as a juvenile. But, there would be no reason for her to sign a sworn statement if she wasn't in fear of being prosecuted.
2 likes@Dave Shaw God will do plenty when he leaves this earth if he is unrepentant
2 likesNolan Harris - well, they say love is blind for a reason. She’s an older woman, so it’s likely she may have dealt with a lot of disappointment and heartache and decided to settle for Dunn in her later years rather than spend her life alone. Whatever the case, we can also conclude that alcohol played a significant role in their relationship. They were drunks. Based on their actions that day they were binge drinking (drinking heavily at the wedding and buying more alcohol at the time of the murders). Alcohol papers over a lot of personal issues, and dulls your morality, and is a great distraction for the reservations one may have in a relationship and an easy way to numb pain.
4 likesRhona seems sweet but she was willing to spend 4 years with a racist. In all my years of dating there were always 2 things that were deal breakers... Racism and under tipping a server.
1 like@WealthBuilder right on bro or sister
1 like@Plumsmuggler Maybe because the law is higher in terms of authority.
1 likeSo she's more submissive to law than to him. Makes that sence?
@Juanita Young He got the impression that she was submissive. She was actually such a good person to the point she'd refuse to lie for a man she loved.
2 likes@Haker10201 l
0 likes@Dave Shaw Aman to that 😂
0 likes@Alfred Indy everyone who gives a statement to police signs the statement. Signing a sworn statememt does not automatically give you immunity. You would have to make a deal with the prosecutor. There was no such deal. Rhonda didnt need one.
3 likesCodependent
1 like@Haker10201 It didn't come down over music.It came down over the murder of a 17 year old.
1 likeShe knows he was a racist person....but probably thought he would change...I think she sensed something bad was going to happen when they pulled beside that car...the loud music would have been his trigger, she probably knew that as well....
0 likesI can’t imagine the guilt she feels for knowing her stopping for wine was her idea :/
0 likesI've tried imagining the dynamic between the two in their relationship and it creeps me tf out. She's better off with him in prison!
1 likeThe right thing would have been to call the police when your lover kill kids... I got great respect for her to have said the truth but no sympathy for her... I doubt she would have done the right thing, if the police didn’t find them...
1 likeRyan Hanselman submissive in the sense of not interacting/ feeding into his rude comments towards others. But she didn’t want to be quit during this situation and called him out. It’s a GOOD thing she wasn’t too submissive.
0 likesAlfred Indy incorrect. She was not an accomplice or even accessory after the fact, and she was not offered “immunity”.
1 likeAlfred Indy every witness expected to testify at trial signs a sworn statement, I’m surprised you’ve been through the justice system but don’t know that
1 likeI agree. The first time I watched this video, most of the comments were tearing her apart. This thread goes into a little, even. People never cease to amaze me. Lots of psychics and experts of psychology, too, it seems.
0 likes@WealthBuilder why dont you help tip the waiter so it isnt low o.o? Idk, always found this bs because some people cant afford it. Not saying I cant, but you can be clean and neat and be unable to tip after you eat. Shit happens. Thats why tip should be shared most of the time so things like this dont happen.
1 likeGranted it sucks if only one waiter is gettin all the tips and they have to share. Kitchen deserves tip too. Honestly, tip should be included in the food prices tbh
@Plumsmuggler Only because we was locked up in jail and couldn't get to her. Try using your common sense.
0 likes@Plumsmuggler - The Cops told her she wasn't in trouble that she didn't do anything. So not sure why people jump on the "immunity" agenda.
0 likes@Dave Shaw Spot on!
0 likesGuys, this just shows why you don't get married. She'll throw you under the bus. And then a bunch of women on youtube will agree with her.
1 likeHe really starts to tap dance around 17:00, adding in all that extra BS when he's getting to the part where he does the killing. I'd love to know how he'd be talking if there wasn't a black cop in the room. Dunn is being sooo deferential and respectful to him with his body language. Like the school bully trying to bullshit the school principal.
7 likesTo quote Ocean O'Connell-Rosenberg, a character from a great musical called Ride The Cyclone: "To say that if one dies young they die needlessly? That is to discount the years we had. The experiences we had. The hopes, dreams. I would gladly take my 17 years over nothing."
1 likeThe irony of him being an actual thug, murdering someone over being mildly “disrespected “ . Teenagers music is admittedly obnoxious but nowhere near as annoying as him, his “love of his life” fiancée, And that gd puppy .
6 likesHe is such an unlikable guy. He thought if he said he was scared for his life he'd be in the clear.
5 likesI think my favorite thing about this channel is the lack of music. Just pure information.
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Usually in British drama shows, footage is pretty raw and music is kept to a minimum. The silence adds a lot of tension, and the focus is entirely on the topic. Love this style of presentation.
262 likesAgreed. I hate music especially in educational videos.
153 likesI like the fact that there is minimal narration and he never tries to tell any jokes.
128 likes@Rachael Setzer in otger vids he makes a few jones but they are actually funny like when he compared a woman sitting down to a sea lion looking over a rock😂
170 likes@Juan Jodi arias 😂😂😂
38 likesSaves the video from any potential copystrikes too
16 likesTotally agree. This establishes a sense of realism
27 likesMichael would agree with you
37 likesI can not stand some Netflix's documentaries, like the one about the Ted serial killer guy, which is like two episodes basically of people describing how fucking scared the students were in the campus, and all those annoying dramatic pauses.
18 likesso you don't like music? Ok, just please dont shoot anybody
38 likesYES YES YES
1 likemusic is haram lol
3 likesHa! You mean “loud music”...
2 likes@Renã Souza I love music. I'm a musician. Been playing it my whole life. I simply don't like how people dilute information with music to guide the viewer's emotion in a documentary type video.
20 likesI hate music "pulls out pistol"
12 likesLack of music and lack of lawyers lol
2 likesYeah, I hate that thug music.
5 likesI think you skipped some of the best videos like "The case of Andy B." or "The Jon Koppenhaver case" where the soundtrack perfectly complets and elevates the content....
2 likesTurn down that music. Yeah.
1 likeyes
1 likeIt's upto us to get in the mood
1 likeloud music would have been particularly inappropriate in this specific case...
2 likesYes!
1 likeoh !!! the irony that this one happened because of music !!!
2 likeswrong, there wAS LOUD THUG MUSIC!! 😂
1 like@Juan he said that literally only because she looked in that precise moment, exactly just like a sea lion leaning over a rock
1 likeHUGE upside. HUUGGEE
1 likeSome thug music would've set the tone.
1 likeNo music. Don’t want to piss off any boomer white dudes.
2 likesWhy have music in a
2 likesinterigation-video?
@MrYberr Because a soundtrack gives it atmosphere.
1 likeBut how do we know how we're supposed to feel without music telling us?
2 likesSo do I. Music in any kind of setting tries to force you to feel in a certain way in respect to the situation and I really dislike that. Just show me what happened and let me judge it.
1 likeAnd the minimal and concise narration.
1 likeWell the few videos from this channel that have music have been demonetized so that may have something to do with it
1 likeThe audio in some of the interviews are pretty hard to comprenhend even without music. In this one, the police detective is a little difficult to understand with the camera's sound quality, so putting music would make an obligation for this channel to subtitle everything
1 like@Mean Pee yeah the sound effects im America kitchen nightmares is fucking hilarious.
1 likeΟH SO THE MUSIC IRRITATES YOU?
1 like100%
1 likeI tried to figure out why I prefer this channel to so many others who produce similar content, and I think this is one of the reasons. It feels nicer this way, and less like the given content is being dramatized.
1 likeyaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaas
1 likeNah needs more thug music and gangster rap.
1 like@• peachy pulls out 9mm.
1 likeand the lack of cheesy animations !
1 likeCHILLS
1 likeA nice reprieve from over production.l
1 likeI hate that thug music
1 likeAnd no unnecessary commentary
1 likeOh god it would be terrible with cheesy piano music and royalty free tension track
1 likeU definitely chose the worst video of his to comment this on. Lol
0 likesEven music is a form of information
1 likeI hate that thug yt video music 😝
0 likesI am a musician and I wholeheartedly agree. Using music to enhance the viewers emotional setting under serious circumstances such as these would make it feel more like a parody or a propaganda film.
1 likeTerrible information. This narrator interrupts precious moments of the video by making a huge deal about how they said green shoes one time and then grey shoes the next... The biggest highbrow rising moments fly right over his head lol
0 likes@whodatchink And from someone shooting at the owner if it is too loud.
0 likes@Rachael Setzer he tells mad jokes. His voice is just monotone. The part with the shot gun vs ear bite had me chuckling
0 likesAgreed!
0 likes... it would be a tad bit odd especially if it were to be thug cause then I'd be Dunn with it. So done.
0 likes@Jess exactly. Not to mention Ted being a pos that’s overly talked about. JCS always covers cases that aren’t well known and have really important information that we can take something from
0 likesTrue, I hate music just like michael, in fact I would shoot my phone If I watched a criminal case video that had music
0 likesThe funny thing is how much trouble Tommy Storns got into from his mother for buying those cigarettes.
2 likesOMG this case infuriates me. Like there's so much I wanna say I can't even say it all. He is so full of excuses and it just shows how racist he is that he thought this story would fly. He is UNBELIEVABLE. When I listen I to him I imagine he's talking about my son and I wanna come thru the damn phone on him.
1 likeI feel like he creamed himself talking about him using a gun. Disgusting
12 likes“The music was already loud?”
9 likes“Yes sir”
“And you parked next to them and asked them to turn it down” The guy brags he’s an avid gun guy, uses jargon like “return fire” “chambered a round”…… this guy was ITCHING for a reason to use his gun on a black person, he didn’t plan it, and he may not have even specifically thought about it but that situation was close enough to an encounter he thought he could get away with so he gambled, and lost…. Not as much as the KID he shot
That poor, honest woman is probably racked with guilt for wanting to stop for wine. Rough.
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If she'd known how it would turn out she would have kept her piehole shut about wanting wine.
738 likesEdit - I am catching some flack for victim shaming. Hardly - she could not have known how this situation would shake out. She no reason whatsoever to blame herself for anything.
The sole responsibility sits on the shoulders of her spouse.
@Jamal Labarge No shit
3680 likesJamal Labarge um, not her fault Jamal
2908 likes@Jamal Labarge woah, calm down jamal, dont pull out the 9! haha
2612 likes@Lynn Bryan Ain't possible to anticipate some things..... so don't stress over it.
174 likes@Jamal Labarge please stop carrying a firearm. Your self righteous tone tells me you shouldn't have one.
719 likes@CommieCowboy No. Have a better day, Doc.
172 likesOnly thing she should feel guilty about is dating a racist
800 likes@Jamal Labarge I'm just saying, I bet 100% this guy made the exact same statements you did. Most "self defense but I'm going to jail" shooters do.
177 likesThat lady is a serious alcoholic to have had 6 rum & cokes, and a glass of wine, and still want to stop for more 🍷 wine.
149 likes@CommieCowboy How is Jamal Labarge in any way self righteous? What are you talking about?
173 likesI don't know why would she keep communicating with the murderer...
44 likesShe seems submissive. He would have had a similar altercation with someone else if it was not them. She shouldn’t feel guilty
223 likesim like #divorce him
23 likes@Moonhaze Considering who she was dating/engaged to at the time, I'd have a drinking problem too
248 likesSarafina Delirium you went in a store to get something and your partner gunned down a kid over something trivial too? I’m sorry..
12 likes@Just Johnny
32 likesStop blaming men for women's shortcomings. If the feminists are correct, women are supposedly fully functioning adults who can choose wisely for themselves.
@lana lake
13 likesBecause the comment insinuates that something about the husband may have lead to the wives alcoholism. Men don't create alcoholic wives. Her alcoholism is her issue with no one to blame but herself.
It's her fault too. She allowed him to drive drunk. She then decided it would be a good idea to stop, and buy more alcohol, while he is driving drunk. A good wife wouldn't let her husband drive drunk. Now she plays the boohoo, poor me card.
52 likes@lana lake YES!! 100%
2 likes@krispy A man of culture
6 likesShe drove home with him knowing he killed a kid though
39 likesShe didnt call police when she saw news and learned someone died she chose to tell him they needed to leave area immediately and go home
80 likesBilb Ono LMFAOOOO
0 likes@Moonhaze exactly, and drive (or let him drive drunk)! And she's a freaking nurse to boot. She must have seen what driving high does.
15 likesThat poor, honest woman didn't insist he call the police. Instead, she had pizza at the hotel. Nobody freaking does that if they have a soul.
64 likesThat bottle of wine saved Her so that's fantastic turn of events, in my opinion,
7 likes@Donald Priola Yeah but she didn't know the kid died. She believed this dude when he told her he just shot at the car for self defence.
108 likesBilb Ono 💀💀💀
0 likes@Moonhaze absolutely not, she just wanted to enjoy her night. That is not an alcohol problem.
89 likes@Moonhaze how are you assuming she has an alcohol problem from this? Is that really what you're taking away from this whole documentary? Because even if she did have an alcohol problem (which we cannot assume and confirm from this video alone), does that mean it's her fault her partner committed murder? Because she wanted to stop for wine? Absolutely none of this situation is her fault. None of it.
131 likes@Rei Hitchens
13 likesThe fact that she's most likely actually an alcoholic has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that her husband is a murderer.
@Moonhaze how do you come to the conclusion that she's "most likely an alcoholic"?
72 likes@Rei Hitchens
13 likesIf I remember correctly, she explained that she had 6 rum and cokes, and a glass of wine at the party, and then wanted to stop at a liquor store for more wine. For a man that would be a considerable amount of alcohol, but for most women (because of their size) that's a TON of alcohol, any woman who can withstand that amount of alcohol in her bloodstream and still have a thirst for more is obviously a regular drinker, and most probably has an alcohol problem.
@Moonhaze she had a glass of wine, 3 or 4 rum and cokes and then wanted to stop for wine (which she may well have wanted to share with her partner)
147 likesThat's not a ton of alcohol, especially on a night celebrating a wedding. If anything, perhaps you could assume she is a binge drinker, but not an alcohlic. Of course you're entitled to your opinion, but in my opinion it's naive to label someone an alcoholic based on one snippet of information of their life, and her drinking "habits" so to speak are not the issue in this whole situation.
@Dana Davison it was too late by then. Shed have said in the interview that he mentioned no gun. Cant change that on oath. He shudve gone over with the story they were gonna tell police. Had ample time. Think he arrogantly thought he was going to get away with it
7 likes@Moonhaze in uk, thats nothing for a woman. Theyd have sunk 10 pints on top
49 likesJamal Labarge it ain’t that deep, my dear
5 likesAll the best wine is in the gas station. On the top shelf
4 likes@krispy 😃💀💀😀
0 likesMoonhaze I’m not necessarily disagreeing, but the two of them had just left the wedding reception for Michael’s son—usually a pretty festive occasion. They had a lot of drinks but were there for three hours. He was probably too drunk to drive, but we don’t know that from this video. To me, the evidence we have doesn’t add up to alcoholism. Just MHO.
33 likes@Robin M what does his BAC gave to do with murder?
0 likesJamal Labarge: Nightmares can destroy a person who took someone’s life. When they show up in the middle of the night trying to drag you off your bed, it’s horrible.
2 likesThis idiot was/is a pansy, and HE KNOWS they never said what he says they said. Never act a fool, and what’s worse, is he does nothing but whine about HIM! He could care less about the person he killed.
@Jamal Labarge yh no shit sherlock
1 like@Beautiful Roses but unfortunately she will as she is a nice person
2 likes@all4one together4all My point was that she should not feel any guilt.
5 likesJamal Labarge I’ve met great security guards, one is a BIG Maori and he said he’s never had to get physical, he said it’s how you talk to people. So I agree 👍🏻
8 likesI think she should look at it as a blessing in disguise. Would have probably been her on the receiving end of that pistol the first time she disagreed with him.
11 likes@GoddessLee racism isn’t a crime buddy, it’s an opinion anyone’s free to have
4 likes@Moonhaze come on bro, feminism is obviously not real, women are what they are and that’s ok
0 likes@GoddessLee objective fact
2 likesThey stopped for a bottle of water not wine
2 likes@Jamal Labarge wisely said brother 🦋🔥
2 likes@Jamal Labarge exactly it's all about Control of Self. Then all is posible. 😘
1 like@Tim So people like me, who support Stand your Ground because anti-gun prosecutors want to chuck anyone who uses a firearm for self defense into prison, are to blame for this douchebag's behavior.
5 likesHere's a helpful hint, Tim. I don't sign everyone's concealed carry permit. I signed my own. We have stand your ground in my State. I still back off if I can.
The takeaway for you is that even if you have stand your ground you are not obligated to exercise it. Heck, you can even choose not to carry a gun at all.
@Jamal Labarge if she knew how it'd play out she probably wouldn't have been with the guy in the first place.
12 likesPretty sure she dodged a literal bullet. The guy was itching to use that gun.
11 likesNothing my to feel guilty for. She didn't make her fiance shoot the kid. Not her fault at all
13 likes@Rockin' RVer Where did I say that she made her fiancé shoot anyone?
2 likesI've got plenty of time. I'll wait.
@CommieCowboy @CommieCowboy @CommieCowboy So Jamal shouldnt have a gun? Lol he has the exact attitude I would hope anyone who owns a gun would have. "I've never had to reach for my piece. I'd love to spend the rest of my life that way." So this guy has a gun just for self defense and he's being self righteous I just...
3 likesI felt she was fake crying, idk tho
1 like@Moonhazeyou don’t know the timeline
1 like@Moonhaze Your comment gave me a hard laugh. Thanks. Actually she said she had a glass of wine and 2 or 3 rum and cokes which probably meant 2 glasses of wines and 6 rum and cokes. So then she wants wine... I've never bought into her light and airy, Jackie Kennedyesque voice and damsel in distress demeanor. Listen to her interrogation. I am not saying she is guilty of anything but how good a person can she be for not reporting this sooner?
4 likes@Rei Hitchens How big were those glasses. Were they drinking from shot glasses, goblets or red plastic cups? You can get a lot of liquid in certain glass ware. She had a glass of wine. Did you use the same wine glass for those rum and cokes. How much coke in the rum? I am surprised it never came up at trial.
1 likeBruh, I almost cried watching her testify against him
7 likesImagine how bad the friend feels turning the music back up. I wouldnt be able to live it down
9 likes@Moonhaze yeah, pretty sure you're just projecting your hatred for women or feminism or whatever because implying dating a douchebag made someone want to be intoxicated at all times isn't a sexist statement regardless of who is the douchebag and who is the person tired of their bs, they're talking about michael and rhonda not the whole male and female population. stop projecting.
29 likes@Jamal Labarge but you contradicted yourself when your first comment was aggressive.
3 likes@D X My aggression was directed against Monday Morning Quarterbacks who think that she "caused" this situation.
3 likesI think she didn't do anything wrong.
Especially when there’s a two grocery stores literally across the street from the gas station...
0 likes@Moonhaze You're just a light weight...
13 likes@Jamal Labarge idk man but the way you write these comments give me the feeling they all had a good reason for not liking you :-/ no offence
9 likes@krispy calm down mike***
0 likes@Moonhaze She said a glass of red wine and 2 to 3 rum & cokes. This isn't that much.
13 likes@Moonhaze or she was just at a wedding 😂
13 likesBs. She should've contact the police right away or leave this hotel as soon she heard that somebody died... But no, she told him: "let's go home".. bs. She thought they are getting away with it.
4 likesShe should’ve called the police? This dude had no issue shooting at a bunch of teenagers just sitting in a car. What does that say about him as a person? For all we know, she was scared of him
11 likes@Moonhaze they stopped for water
0 likes@CommieCowboy so true. But you're not going to convince these gun nuts here cuz this channel is filled primirily with people who believe in retributive justice... So you know their political leaning
0 likesi really did feel bad for that woman as well. she knew that there was something in him that she didn’t agree with, but her love for him other ways compelled her to be supportive and stayed. i could tell too just by the way she was explaining it that there’s a fear about what he could to do her too.
7 likesSome dude that would just start shooting some guys because he was mildly inconvenienced......I think this lady dodged a bullet with this dude. She shouldn't feel guilty for telling the truth.
6 likes@possesst That's a good point. I hope Rhonda knows this isn't really her fault
2 likes@possesst thats right i was thinking that exactly
0 likesAt least is happened before she married him!
1 likeif you are that afraid for your life you should not carry a gun. seems like this is the problem in america these days. having a gun means you have responsible, doesn't they get that? you can't shoot on everything that may potentially be a threat or seeking provocation
6 likesPoor?? Yes it will mess with her but now that she sees what a fiend this guy is, it saved her life.
0 likes@Moonhaze well yes and no someone can be stressed to a point where they look for ways to escape reality usually by drugs, alcohol, or destructive behavior.
0 likes@CommieCowboy Jamal has demonstrated his restraint. He literally said “I go out of my way to avoid conflict” Jamal is in no way like this dunce in the video. Nice try.
1 likeA black teenager is murdered "let's talk about the murderers wifes feelings"
9 likesShe went for a bottle of water is what she said
0 likesOr she saved her own life down the road... This dude is a psycho.
0 likes@chrisdher65 Alcohol at gas stations, that's a crazy concept when one thinks about it.
1 like@TIMOTHY DRAPER I try my best. I wish everyone when they put on a firearm would understand that it's not power but very grave responsibility.
1 like@TIMOTHY DRAPER they sell lighters and cigarettes there too so why not go for the trifecta
0 likesI know right, thank God they arent married bc then he probably would convince her she wouldnt have to testify
0 likes@krispy reckless 😂🏄♀️
0 likesI think she was a victim of dv and now can live her life free from him
2 likes@A Guy Named Something it's not her fault his drunk ass shot and killed someone. Definitely not her fault. That was his choice. Should they be driving drunk ? No, that's on them both. Him killing someone, not her fault. That's obvious. Also she can't "allow" him to do anything he did that of his own free will.
0 likesShe didn't call the cops
1 likeAt least she was honest. I may not like her dating choices, but she at least had the integrity not to lie.
0 likes@Christopher Arnold I agree. She also fled the scene of a shooting where a teenager was murdered. In the end though, she never lied about the incident. I do believe she is very honest with the police during her interrogation, and she didn't lie on the stand. Makes it hard to really be angry at her, at least for me.
1 like@Jamal Labarge this guy is a genius.
0 likesShe seems so sweet. But she is lucky to be away from this monster
0 likesShe stopped for water. Just sayin 😂🤷♀️
0 likesSo painful to watch the consecutive Nos 😢
0 likes@Moonhaze Nice over-simplistic opinion
1 like@Jamal Labarge one could say she was whining for more wine 🤔
1 like@possesst yea or too her
0 likes@Jamal Labarge no one could predict what was ab to happen 😐 i feel so bad for her
1 like@Jamal Labarge woah, really!?
0 likesIt was inevitable I think 💭
0 likesShe should be happy it was someone else, he would have ended up killing her some time down their marriage
2 likesYou think your Jesus turning water into wine
0 likesShe's not racked with guilt for allowing her husband to drive drunk though.
0 likes@Moonhaze I did think about this thats why she hesitated before she said the reason why they stopped..she shouldn't of gone in what kinda man sends his wife in if he thinks "thugs" are in the store.
0 likesShe's not a "poor, honest woman..." She was perfectly willing to date and plan to marry a racist, and she was perfectly willing to flee the state once she found out he murdered someone rather than urging him to go to the police.
2 likesNot lying to the police and not lying under oath doesn't mean someone is a great person...maybe she is, but she was happy to date a racist arse who killed a kid. To me, that's like saying "What a good, honest mom" about a woman whose boyfriend beat her kid to death because she didn't lie about it and she wasn't the one beating her kid...sure, she knew he liked to beat kids and she still dated him, but what a poor, honest woman she is not to lie about it all...
@Andrea B As if everybody knows who is racist or not. Do you think people advertise that in their Tinder profile or talk about that openly? Besides, most of humanity has an -ist or -phobic label, you are a detached loony if you think most people don't have prejudices. Blame her all you want, I honestly don't think you ever experienced being in love.
4 likes@Sea Dreamz Is that an accusation or a confession?
0 likesHe was drunk already and she got in the car with him in the first place and wanted to get more alcohol. She May feel guilty but it was either these kids be killed or he crash into somebody else potentially
0 likes@Moonhaze maybe, maybe not. But even if she was/is, that's not really illegal, is it? The main tragedy is that poor young man lost his life and his friends lost someone close to them. But there is still room for empathy for her. I don't think she's a bad person, maybe a little naive and in love with someone who is violent and a racist, but she didn't lie for him, and she didn't cover for him. She told the truth because it was right. She could've covered, but she didn't.
1 like@Jamal Labarge This is stupid but made me laugh.
1 like@Beautiful Roses To be honest she kind of got her comeuppance for ignoring his casual racism for whatever she liked about him. Who dates someone who calls hip-hop "thug music"?
1 like@Moonhaze True. Ahhhhhhhh so that's why she ended up dating the insane racist.
0 likesYeah it's her fault fr
0 likesLol bullshit. She put on a good act.
1 like@Moonhaze I'd suggest that you don't drink alcohol as well if you think that is an alcohol problem .
2 likesTons of people have serious alcohol problems this lady doesn't fall into that category .
@Jamal Labarge everyone got a peice or a knife. Only got em coz they scared of a flogging...
0 likes@Suck My Turnip Some of us carry both. Guns are noisy, knives get goop all over you.
0 likesOf course hand to hand is better - Juries don't freak out about it.
she probably needs therapy.
0 likes@krispy 😂😂
0 likesthe butterfly effect man... fuck rip to the kid
0 likesIf he wouldn’t have shot those poor kids, he could have done something much more vile at a later moment in his life..
0 likesthey've separated fyi
1 likeNO...she was threatened with PRISON by the heroes if she didn't testify...
1 like@Moonhaze bruhh she had 3 and 1 glass of wine and its a wedding.
4 likesHows that a alcoholic
@DionZ it's an alcoholic when possessing the physiology of a woman, and after having had 3 cocktails and a glass of wine, she has to stop by the liquor store to buy more booze.
0 likesIt isn't complicated, at all.
Honestly she is a little bit at fault.
0 likesgrown man made a decision no matter who’s idea it is. if that was his mentality with his pistol, then it would’ve still ultimately happened no matter what....is hopefully how she thinks of it.
0 likesGas station"
0 likes@CommieCowboy "jamal" "gun"
0 likesAt least she stop drinking wine to this day
0 likesWhere is your sympathy for the kid that got murdered?
0 likes@Jamal Labarge totally off topic but I like your comments, very clear. Are you a writer???
0 likesShe shouldn't blame herself for this, theres no way she could've known her husband was a psychopath
4 likes@Moonhaze she was stopping for a water bottle
0 likes@krispy classic
0 likes@Moonhaze some people are alcoholics 🤷🏻♀️ others are addicted to caffeine or sugar. we all got a vice lol
0 likes@Moonhaze it's almost as if alcohol lowers inhibitions against having more alcohol
0 likesI love how everyone here is just taking her at her word about how many drinks she had. That’s like asking a woman how many dudes she’s slept with. Whatever she says, multiply that by 2. And if she’s a drinker, you can multiply by 3.
0 likes@Jay Remí so she had 3 glasses of wine and 9 rum and cokes ? Damn , she can really pack it away.
1 like@seth Appleton it’s a joke. I laughed anyway. But there is some truth to it. Also, if you think she just decided to tell the truth out of the goodness of her heart then you’re naive. The prosecution obviously threatened her. And seeing as this is a very timid woman she probably broke instantly.
0 likes@Jay Remí hey I mean, I consider telling the truth after learning the consequences of being dishonest better than lying to the bitter end. And even before the prosecution got to her, it wasn't like she was lying in her statement to the police.
0 likes@Aneeya ⛽🥂deadly combo
0 likes@a nu start One could say that your gag was awful 🤭👈
0 likes@Gordon Alias Me idek what I commented lol
0 likes@Aneeya me neither lol,🤷♂️
0 likes@Moonhaze yet she didn’t drive and she didn’t kill anyone that night.mi suppose being hooked up with him would drive Mother Teresa to bing 🍷🙄
1 like@Jamal Labarge beautifully said brother wether it being self righteous or just speaking your truth I hope you really live like this!
1 likeWhat does this man think hes a victim off??
1 like@a nu start With jokes like that, you should be blocked 😷
0 likesI know 😞 fortunately though that guy was just waiting to kill a black man, that's not her fault. She just picked a racist partner
1 likeTotally true
0 likes@Che Anarchist I know, right ? That's what I was thinking
0 likes@Jamal Labarge You’re a good man
1 likeI think she knows that that would have happened sooner or later anyway.
0 likesHer voice cracked when she said it was her idea. 😔
0 likes@CommieCowboy are you kidding. This guy has the right mentality to own a gun. Dare i say the perfect mentality
1 like@A Guy Named Something I agree that knowingly stepping into a drunk drivers car is incredibly irresponsible. But you cant blame her for that guy shooting soneome. Thats like blaming your parents for crimes you committed because you wouldnt exist if they didnt have sex at some point.
1 like@Moonhaze I'm reading threw these comments and noticed this "Annies" chick just going ham on you about the alcoholic lady haha.. It's like Annie gets so offended that your calling the lady in this video an alcoholic .. I think Annie is a raging alcoholic lol . it's funny how but hurt she got over your commit haha.. But I side with you bud, their lives would be completely different if the damn lady just didn't have to have one more sip. He probably didn't even want to stop at the gas station, but she with a heavy slurring buzz was probably cussing the guy out and to pull into the station so she can get another bottle lol. Poor guy.
0 likesThe one who speaks like a 4yr old while on the stand.
0 likes@Moonhaze you weren’t listening
0 likes@Backpain In Your Area explain?
0 likes@Thad Sanders I’m sorry that your name is Thad
0 likes@GoddessLee wait How’s he racist
2 likes@Moonhaze to be fair, it was a celebration day. They were attending a wedding. I don't think she was an alcoholic. She might've been
1 like@Dismeii During the call to his fiance at the beginning he referred to his cell mates as "animals". Also as he pulled up to the gas station he said "I hate that 'thug' music." You can also see it in his entitlement in both going up to the car and when he thinks he won't get any repurcussions for murder. He definitely wouldn't have acted this way if the kids in the car were white.
2 likes@Jamal Labarge if we could see the future we wouldnt make mistakes. Yeah no shit
1 like@Luis Sanchez She would have avoided going there if she knew that things would go to shit. She could not have reasonably known. She has no basis for feeling guilty about it.
2 likesIt is not possible to understand random shit that happens. That's pretty clear, right?
Are we having a bad day? Too bad.
@Moonhaze you do not remember correctly
0 likesWell something would’ve happened eventually better sooner than later
0 likes@Lynn Bryan That is what he said. She didn't know it would turn out like that!
0 likes@Emma Frost No you do not know that at all and no one needs you who wasn't present and who isn't a trained psychologist to make any random assumptions.
0 likes@vivi44 You ok there, buddy ?
0 likes@Black Skellington Are we not allowed to do that ? If you want to talk about the black teenager, go ahead there are thousands of other comments doing so, no need to enforce your white guilt here.
1 like@shameblamenamegame He doesn't feel anything. He is dead. Nice try, next.
0 likes@Adrian Trejo Since there is no way besides pure assumption for you to know that, what you are doing is defamation and a legal offense.
0 likes@TrueCrimeGuru Judging by your responses you are someone with poor judging abilities as well so I would be careful putting the blame on her, doesn't make you look good.
0 likes@Moonhaze Are you like 5'4 and never hit the gym before or why do you have such a false conception on the consumption of alcohol.
1 like@Jamal Labarge Jamal you rock man!
3 likesHope you had a good Memorial Day brother. Stay strong and keep on!
Honest would be calling the coos
0 likes@Moonhaze drinking leads to more drinking
0 likes@Jamal Labarge Good for you! Keep carrying and stay safe man!
2 likesI like how they needed to get wine after they had been drinking at the wedding. This guy was clearly fucked up and thought he was Rambo
0 likesIt was fate. I’m sure she feels that way, but really, things happen for a reason. He may have ended up doing something worse in the future had this not happened. Clearly, the guy is unhinged.
0 likesGod bless! Believe in your heart and confess with your mouth that Jesus Christ is our Lord and Savior and the Son of God and died on a cross for our sins! Believe God is our Father and Creator and raised His Son Jesus from the dead! Confess and repent of your sins and trust in God! Live for Jesus as He died for you!! (Don’t swear or take God’s name in vain!) 🥰🤍
1 like@Christopher Arnold he had a gun.....maybe she was afraid of him a she said nothing to protect him in trial. Straight up send his ass to prison to be never back... Anything is posible
1 likeShe is just as guilty as him
0 likesNot her fault this is on him
2 likeshonest woman? dating a racist LMFAOOOOOO
0 likes@CommieCowboy Jamal said "I've never had to reach for my piece. I'd love to spend the rest of my life that way."
2 likesYou said "I bet 100% this guy made the exact same statements you did"
Do you even agree with yourself?
If she was "racked" with guilt she would have called the gd cops
0 likesPoor and honest? She didn't call the cops after it happened. TF you giving her sorrow and pity for? The victim deserves that.
0 likesIf not this time then another..
0 likes@GoddessLee wait where was the part about racism? Or is that just assumed to be the problem when a white guy kills someone black? He can’t just be a psycho?
0 likes@Jamal Labarge you are absolutely correct. You said nothing for him to say you should not own a gun. He sounds like the commie part is fitting for him.
0 likes@Mistah G.A.P Wow unbelievable 🤦♀️
0 likes@Moonhaze you need to get a grip how is 7 drinks a serious alcoholic lmao I was a serious alcoholic drinking a litre of vodka a day
0 likes@Phil Mitchell Boxing
0 likesAny woman of average female size and weight who can handle seven drinks equivalent to 7 shots of 40 proof liquor and then still want more alcohol, has developed a dangerous resistance to alcohol or IS in fact an alcoholic. Take it from me, not the kind of girl you want to marry or bring home to mama, Unless of course, you like that sorta thing, sadly, many men do.
@Chrissy B I'm sorry the comments section is huge and the comment I made is quite old. But I'm a socialist myself so sure I do have a lot to agree with a communist. I'm for gun rights too, as are many leftists. Also I'm not an American, I'm a Canadian
0 likes@Chrissy B see my last comment, it's pretty obvious. Does he look like a psycho to you? Looks pretty well adjusted during that interrogation.
0 likes@Aneeya I am not sure gun ownership and communism go hand in hand.
0 likes@Backpain In Your Area Did you do a Hare Psychopathy Assessment on him? What was the score?
0 likes@Rockin' RVer You'd be surprised how people second guess themselves.
0 likes"If only I had not asked for wine...."
@Rockin' RVer "You are insinuating that if she"
0 likesYou are insinuating that I think that she's guilty. You're wrong.
I'm concerned that SHE might have second thoughts.
@Jamal Labarge yes...and as if they hadnt already had too much too drink at the wedding
0 likes@Chrissy B they do :) it is one of the basic tenets that a Marxist believes. The right to bear arms
0 likes@Chrissy B there's more than the fact that they are just different races. Like I said before, the wife testified when he pulled up to the gas station he said "I hate that 'thug' music". 'Thug' is a well-known dog whistle for racism. Same for when he called his cell mates "animals". I understand it's easier to believe like racism doesn't exist or that it's rare, but it does and it's common. And this is a blatant example. Pointing it out doesn't create division, it's important to see things for what they are.
2 likes@GoddessLee ok first of all I don’t think of a thug as a black person. And I have never heard it equated with black people. A thug is a criminal. There were many white thugs in the neighborhood I grew up in. And some of the trashy music could be called thug music. I think anyone that associates that word with a black person is part of the problem. And I would highly doubt that his cell mate is black. Considering most prisons do segregate races. I think there is way more talk of racism then there is actual racism. If we could all just see each other as people we would be in a lot better place.
0 likes@Aneeya you can believe what you want but if we become a communist country we will not own guns. That’s a guarantee.
0 likesa comment can only have 500 replies, i’m happy to take my spot at 260
0 likesAWWWWWW Donnnt even sayyy that 🙆🏾♂️😲😢 I didn’t even think of that.
0 likes@Moonhaze She was at a wedding!!!! I would have had 5-7 drinks for sure!!!
1 likeI'd be more guilty for dating a racist than getting wine
2 likesthird eye love
0 likes@Chrissy B same goes to you anti-communist. You an believe whatever you want. But right bear arms is a right of every proletariat
1 like@Aneeya communism will lead to death and loss of all rights. Always has and always will. Dream on though, but blame yourself when you are living it.
0 likesThat's absurd to think that she is the cause of this situation. Yes, I do sympathize for her. However, this situation was inevitable. Life is a series of tests for each and every one of us. If it wasn't that night they stopped for wine, it would have been sometime later on.
0 likesHe does not feel remorse, so clearly this horrid act of murder wasn't enough for him to learn his lesson. The problem wasn't the wine, it was what was going on in this creepy-voice sociopath liar's mind.
@Jamal Labarge my grandmother once told me this story about some guy following her car. she had a gun and it wasn't loaded but thankfully it was enough to scare him off when he saw it.
2 likes@Jamal Labarge All of those examples of your “real life instances” could’ve easily been solved without a gun. You don’t need a gun to solve your problems, that mindset is meant to shit on itself in due time. Guns are just mediums for people, remove the medium, less violence. I do agree that guns can be useful at times, but that 1-3% of the time that goes bad fucks up the entire thing for everyone. Just like those Samsung phones that were exploding here and there (not the best analogy but I couldn’t think of anything else), only maybe 1 in 100 phones were catching on fire, but they were recalled because that shouldn’t be happening at all. The gun violence problem in America is way too prevalent, and should be lowered down. I don’t think rearming everyone in America to have a piece on them is the right action (or not even everyone, just encouraging people to get their own piece). Not to mention, you already have a pistol in your glove box, do you really need a rifle too? You’re part of the problem, the only time you’d need a rifle is to hurt multiple at the same time, which you’d obviously be able to do with the pistol. Unless you’re in a zombie apocalypse, having a rifle on you does more harm than good. “Hey there’s some drunk dude who I could easily handle, but whatever, this is my chance to flaunt my rifle at him so he runs away apologizing to me!” See how pretentious you sound? You obviously never said this, but this thought process obviously crossed your mind because you described it just like that. Also, one question, do you agree with denuclearization of all the countries across the world? Or did you favor the arms race during the Cold War when the US and USSR were in constant competition to see who could have the bigger weapon? This is the same thing as the gun control problem but scaled up to international business.
1 like@Jamal Labarge whoa Jamal don't pull out the 9
1 like@GoddessLee I think she is more concerned about the killing
0 likesBut that guy will probably get involved into some other shits with that personality and that weapon soon or later.
0 likes@Moonhaze ?
0 likes@Joe Asuncion "Guns are just mediums for people, remove the medium, less violence"
1 likeNonsense. Gun control restores the Law of the Jungle - the big prey on the weak, the many prey on the few.
You need to adopt paragraphs, Joe. Then again, grammatically correct nonsense is still nonsense.
@Chrissy B He called music their music ‘thug music’. They could have easily been listening to pop music or jazz. Racism isn’t this massive and boisterous attitude. If it were then it would be much easier to detect and combat against. But when people are so subtle with their weird prejudices, it hard to teach/correct people
2 likesThat poor honest woman knew she was engaged to a Racist!
0 likes@Jamal Labarge She knew he is a racist, she said " yeah, I know". All these years, she wouldn't see the red flags, that's different. Don't blame it on her buying wine, blame it on him being racist
1 likeHer guy is a Qanon white supremacist NRA Ken, you cannot date a man for 4 years without seeing the red flags, give me a break! Soon after he said " I hate this music" she said I know!
0 likes@CommieCowboy are you serious? You should just not comment, you make zero sense.
0 likes@Moonhaze she said a glass of wine and 2-3 rum & coke’s. Where did you get 6 from? And since when is it a crime to grab a bottle of wine while your out with your S.O.? Stupid to blame her for any of this.
1 like@Yana Sosnovskaya when your partner tells you he was “almost killed” and shot at a car, what was she supposed to do? Even after the fact, you can see that she wanted desperately to believe him. That was the man she was planning to spend the rest of her life with. You’re not looking at it from her perspective.
0 likes@Tim “stand your ground” laws have NOTHING to do with this. You know damn well that he would’ve done this regardless of what he “thought” the law said. Using this as an argument against “stand your ground” is idiotic.
0 likes@Jessica webb no, it was wine but it still doesn’t matter what they stopped for anyway. It’s what happened after that matters. 4:34
0 likes@Tabitha Rutland 4:34 they stopped for a bottle of wine.
0 likes@Dismeii exactly!
0 likes@NATASHA JOHNSON soo now he’s “racist” too? Do you know him? Or is it automatic to you because he’s white and the victim is black?
0 likes@CommieCowboy aww, my feelings are so hurt because of the mean man on YouTube. 🤣😂
0 likes@Kosi Queensly I have never heard of the word thug as a word related to race. People make these things up to stoke more division. I don’t care what anyone’s skin color is. And I think most people feel this way.
1 like@Chrissy B Are you sure? People use the word thug to describe all the time. Especially in the 90s. Just because you’ve never heard the word being used in this way doesn’t mean it hasn’t happen. Your experience doesn’t reflect the experiences of others. And of course you haven’t heard the word used in this manner, you’re most likely white or at least non black. I’ve heard Asian people, Spanish people and polish people describe black people ad thugs. I don’t want to assume that you’re America but especially in America, they like to use that word and then act as if they never established the connection between thug and black people (used heavily during the war on drugs era). You’re well meaning but people who say ‘I don’t see colour’ don’t necessarily know what exactly that entails. You saying ‘you don’t see colour’ negates the awful treatment that black people (and other POC) experience. Ignoring racist behaviour isn’t the same as combating it. Of course they are differences between us. Acknowledge the horrible mistreatment of black individuals, simply pushing it aside doesn’t help anyone. I’d rather talk to a racist than block them. At least in talking to them, there’s a chance of rehabilitation. I definitely see colour, I see that one colour is being preferred over the others. ‘Seeing colour’ has allowed for conversation and change, it allowed the apartheid to end in South Africa, it allowed for the death of George Floyd to spark conversation globally. It’s absolutely insane (in a good way) that one incident in America, has black people in Ireland, France, Britain, Germany, India etc to have the own protests and conversations. So ‘seeing colour’ isn’t inherently a bad thing. Like just don’t be racist, it seems so simple but difficult a lot of people unfortunately.
2 likesshe never called the cops and she only told the truth so she wouldn't go to jail to save her own hide
0 likesReally ..... her fault .?????
0 likesI mean it’s her and her addictions fault it’s a sign to stop drinking
0 likes@Donald Priola You either never had a partner or never been abused. It isn't her fault that her first instinct wasn't to call the cops, she was in shock on the incident that just transpired. No one is going to immediately blame their partner after something like this occurring, she held on to her feelings and believed that none of this actually happened.
1 like@Moonhaze - Um, she never said she had 6 rum and cokes. Perhaps a hearing test is in your near future.
1 like@GoddessLee how’s he a racist?
0 likesAnd I’m just saying. They probably did say they were going to kill him.
1 likeIt’s sad. Bc it’s not her fault but seeing the person she is in the video you definitely know she feels guilty. But you can’t control others. She went there to do what she planned to do. Her fiancé had no self control.
0 likesDamn some of the people in your replies clearly hate women in general LOL they were just waiting for an opportunity to say something
0 likes@Jamal Labarge or if he didn’t shoot them
1 like@Moonhaze Wow what an assessment. You must be some kind of expert.
0 likes@Jamal Labarge Can you come down and talk to us? It's hard to hear you all the way up there.
1 like@Moonhaze fyi buddy, the commenter said the husband would lead to an alcohol problem, not that men lead women to have alcohol problems, but this guy just sucks so much she has to be drunk to put up with him.
0 likes@Moonhaze LMAO oh my god, when annie points out the time and amount of alcohol you don't even defend your points you just insult them
0 likes@Jamal Labarge thats a bit rude innit.
1 like@Dank Graff It's because the assertion that someone has 3 rum & cokes and shares a glass of wine of a 3-4 hour period on a festive day makes someone an alcoholic is absurd and moonhaze is obviously sexist.
0 likesIt's not her fault he's a dip. It was for the best because this was going to happen one day or another. The coward has revealed himself!
0 likes@Jamal Labarge this dude out here speaking the truth.
0 likesIf you are strapped, you better know how to talk someone down.
A gun is not a tool to end an argument, you should have the presence of mind to use your words.
Words work far more miracles than bullets even could.
It takes a man to be calm, to talk, to listen. It take a child to shoot first, and ask questions later.
@cbaby gags I'll try to talk louder.
0 likes@Soul Man I've talked people down a few times.
0 likesThe fact that I can talk people down does mean that i do not need a firearm. I am not some child who needs their "anti social" behaviors moderate for the good for the Administrative Dictatorship.
@Lynn Bryan he just said it’s not her fault. Trans the full comment.
0 likesShe seems more upset that her fiancé is in jail.
0 likesI fully feel for her tho. Everyone reacts differently to tramua. Of course, usually people feel bad in some way or another and her husband doesn't seem to feel too bad. Her on the other hand I can tell she is dissociating cuz of the tramua she just witnessed and I'm an alcoholic and drinking used to be my go to when shit got bad. So I don't think she should beat herself up. She was just trying to deal with her anxiety ATM. Sure alcohol isn't a great idea when u are dealing with ptsd or depression or anxiety, but I can understand why she got herself a bottle of wine. I don't think anyone should be mean to her about this cuz I would probably shut down too if I just saw my loved one do something like that. She must've been so scared. But not because of the kids but because of what her husband might do. So sad. I feel bad for her. And u can tell she feels so bad about what happened and that she truly did care. But her husband, I can just tell he doesn't care. Like who the fuck shoots at a kid, he is supposed to be the adult in this situation but instead he escalated it.
0 likes@Moonhaze how is that a serious alcoholic? 7 drinks might get you drunk. Definitely not an alcoholic. 😂🤦♂️
0 likesBut like on that phone call when he called himself the victim, all she said was “I know”?
0 likesShe was shaking, and almost seemed like she cowered in Michael's presence, I hope she had healed.
0 likes@Jamal Labarge I understand what you’re saying and while it might be easy for us to go ‘it wasn’t your fault, you couldn’t have predicted that this would happen’, it’s obviously not that easy for her.
0 likes@NeedToPooNow I need to emphasize so strongly that I am not blaming her for anything.
0 likesI just hope that she isn't going to blame herself.
Who would have thought that your life partner would do something so damn foolish!!!
@Jamal Labarge oh no, I completely understand that you weren’t blaming her at all! You made it clear that you weren’t. I was just saying that, while we can easily say it wasn’t her fault, she’s going to find it a lot harder to not blame herself.
1 like@NeedToPooNow I sure hope that she has some good friends to break it down for her.
0 likesShe is going to have endless misery trying to pay lawyer bills and set her life in a new direction.
I do not understand the thought processes of her husband. I could not imagine killing someone over loud music. It's out there in the weird behavior zone.
I couldn't even holler over it, unless it was 0300 hours and I had to be at work, and even then it's one of those things you gotta sneak up on. We're all going to have some loud times in our lives, no point spilling blood over it.
@Jamal Labarge I hope her friends don’t decide her grief is too much or let her push them away :/
1 like@NeedToPooNow Real friends wouldn't leave her in the lurch.
0 likes@Jamal Labarge which is why I hope she has real friends
0 likes@Jamal Labarge would you rather kill someone than have a fair fight? I understand protecting yourself and your family from someone trying to kill you/them. But in my experience people arent just out there trying to kill each other. People fight of course because we're human that's what we do. I just cant stand cowards who would rather pull a gun on someone and give them that final ultimatum of death straight away. Are you scared to get hit? Or is it about your pride? Do you not want to lose a fight to another man? Would you rather kill someone than use your brain or your fists? Cowardly, weak and selfish individuals tend to carry guns. You just need to take a punch to see how it feels, it's not that bad, you dont need to be so scared.
0 likesWtf you talking 'bout? Rhonda dodged a bullet. (No pun intended. Rest in piece to the poor 17 year old)
0 likes@Jamal Labarge Well said. You sound much more socially responsible than anyone with who calls themselves a commie.
1 likeIn their mind : "people shouldn't have guns because some people commit murder with them. But let's give that ideology that's been responsible for the death and oppression of hundreds of millions another go!" 😃
Logic. 🙌
@Kevin James Thank you. We all try our best to keep ourselves self regulated.
1 likeToo many "revolutionaries" out there who have no idea how hard it is to execute a revolution. They are in love with a fantasy. A fantasy that can be cured by a quick plane ride to Havana or Caracas.
I've never personally met a revolutionary tourist. Always someone else - someone else can pay, someone else can do.
Worse - the revolution always eats its own. Always.
Our friend Commie could well end up dying in a ditch somewhere. Bet that they won't be saying 'Long live the revolution!".
@Jamal Labarge Not going to stop the human brain from feeling guilt.
0 likes@CommieCowboy at least they have restraint.
0 likes@Jamal Labarge Glad you talk people out of violence instead of shooting people. You are the kind of person who SHOULD have a gun. We need more good people with guns and less armed psychos.
1 like@Jamal Labarge if she wouldve known she wouldve bailed off that relationship with the psychopathy
1 like@Sam Smith That would have been the wise move for her. To go.
0 likesMight have convinced him to get his head out of his butt before he murdered those young men.
She was getting water
0 likes@Moonhaze she only had 1 or 2 rum and cokes and 1 glass of wine. He had 3 or 4 of the rum and cokes. With his size could probably blow a .08% BAC with ease after them too. They shoulda been grabbing at least 2 bottles of wine. Maybe more.
1 likeI hope she understands that this murderer was a ticking time bomb, he was ready to pull out that gun at any time over something frivolous.
1 likeYea..
0 likesConvenience store wine.
0 likes@Moonhaze everyone's allowed to have faults
0 likes@A Guy Named Something I doubt she "allowed" or "let" him to do anything
0 likes@krispy must suck being named Jamal and having to answer for a meme that's also a stereotype which randoms will bring up at the sight of your name at all points in time in any medium. Wouldn't you think so?
0 likes@NAchobo ok lol
0 likes@krispy Yeah. translation: fucking cringy.
0 likeswater
0 likes@NAchobo i dont care
0 likes@krispy I didn't really care whether you cared. I'm letting you know.
0 likes@Admiral Kipper Dude, play in traffic.
0 likes@vivi44 Really doubt this one exists anywhere outside of your head. Respectfully, I doubt she's instantly dead broke when her husband gets locked up. I don't understand how people even come up with these comments.
0 likes@NAchobo bro, i literally do not care at all. youre wasting your time on an 8 month old comment if anyone is cringey its you
0 likes@krispy Look back and read this convo again in 10 years when you're a big boy, and you know how to act like an adult and treat people normally.
0 likes@krispy You ever considered the gist of your joke is really just, "haha black person name, black person name = gun, bahahaha"
0 likes@Moonhaze I think they mean they understand why, under the circumstances of being with him, she would use alcohol as a coping mechanism which then turned into alcoholism. I had that happen to me because of my abusive ex... I'm one of the lucky ones that got out of the relationship and off of alcohol...
0 likesSure she was right there with him and shared his racist views. Two people are not together all them years and don’t share the same views when it comes to something like racism. FOH keep that hate in your heart this is what it could bring. That kids parents will never see their child again that’s who should get the sympathy here.
0 likes@Jamal Labarge I knew what you were saying. I’m not the type to just throw around, “racism” but I believe he did it because they were black and he thought he’d get away with it.
0 likes@Annelee Klein Maybe. I think he thought that they were "gangsta" and were doing to roll on him.
0 likesIn reality they were just kids being kids.
@Jamal Labarge your edit doesn't take away from how that comment comes across...
0 likesExactly. It breaks my heart because you see her hesitate because she wants to defend him but she knows nothing she says will justify anything. I'm proud of her for doing what she believed was right.
1 like@CommieCowboy And how is not what you said right now self righteousness?
0 likes@GoddessLee YUP
0 likes@Moonhaze she was at a wedding and having a good time. That’s some holier than thou shit.
0 likesLol yea might be sleeping on her pillow for her entire life :'(
0 likesThe people blaming this woman, no one should think this would happen, it’s not her fault
0 likes@Jamal Labarge lol at least you recognize you said something dumb
0 likes@Your Mom Maybe "insensitive" is a better term.
0 likes@Jamal Labarge not really lol i think its a really dumb statement but im not holding that against you
0 likes@Backpain In Your Area dodged a bullet. I see what you did there.
0 likesAt least they got this thug off the streets
1 likeI doubt it, given the way this guy reacted, this is his nature, he would have even have killed her one day in a violent rage...
0 likesNo but it’s a good thing she did because then she got to see how Dunn really is and it was her way out
0 likesShe might be, but if not that day, some other day his lack of self control would come up one way or another. Maybe not with such devastating consequences. Maybe he’d “just” start beating her up while being drunk. Maybe he’d burn down a neighbor’s car over an argument or suspicion. He clearly has anger management issues that become especially obvious when he’s not sober. I hope she finds a better man, she deserves it.
0 likesYes it was her fault
0 likesAgreed. She’ll never ask for wine again.
1 like@Jamal Labarge “piehole”….
1 likeSo its her fault? What a world we are living in. Unbelievable. People get drunk Europe, but i have never seen a gun in my life, to say the least this kind of horrible racism. Im disgusted by all the comnents and happy i was raised in Amsterdam
0 likes@Jamal Labarge I think it's the "keep her piehole shut" part that has people annoyed with you
0 likesi don’t feel bad for her she knew he was racist and didn’t care
0 likes@Jamal Labarge please remove your edit and leave it as the original was. Thanks in advance.
0 likes@Squiggly Line No.
0 likesIt’s really sad because they had already been drinking. If she could’ve just relaxed on the alcohol, this whole mess would’ve been avoided, but what’s happened has happened.
0 likesHindsight is 20/20
0 likes@Jamal Labarge Most people would agree it wasn’t her fault. But that doesn’t mean she won’t blame herself or wouldn’t feel guilty about it. I think that’s what the commenter was expressing.
0 likes@A Guy Named Something Yeah, he was drinking and driving. I listen to the police scanner a fair amount and the number one drug out there that causes problems is alcohol. 90% of their calls are breaking up some fight or domestic.
1 like@A Guy Named Something the only thing I directly blame her for is driving with him to their house without calling the news. She was also drunk, so neither of them were in their right mind at the time. They are equally responsible for the dui.
0 likesWhat's so honest about being forced to testify? She was his girlfriend, not his wife. She wasn't doing this because she wanted to, if she didn't she'd have gotten arrested for contempt of court. She's not a victim in the slightest. She's the one supporting that murderer.
0 likesShe plays so innocent
0 likes@Moonhaze And who drove the car when both were drunk? Or is it allowed there to drink and drive?
0 likes@krispy 😂
0 likes@BigChump ahaahah this made me laugh more than it should of
0 likes@GoddessLee yup
0 likesThe reality is, this fucker would do something like this sooner or later, no way she should be blaming herself. Poor woman
0 likes@krispy im serious.... HAHAHAHAHA
0 likes@Jamal Labarge "piehole" ok grandpa
0 likes@Donald Priola maybe she was scared of him so she just did what he said for the time being until she was away from him
0 likes@GoddessLee She shouldn't feel guilty about dating a murderer? Are you seven years old?
0 likes@Izabella Podowski they weren't married
0 likesEff her. She knew exactly what this guy was like. She never should have been with him.
0 likes@SunAndGray It's possible to feel sorry for both. You must not be very smart.
0 likesWhat about the dead black kid
0 likesWhat about the poor black kid
0 likesL
0 likes@Joshua Slappe Never leave home without one. I don't bring one into the building at work, it's forbidden.
0 likesYou seem to be prone to snap judgments. Might want to work on that, Josh.
I don’t know how bad I feel for her. She was about to marry a complete PoS. Clearly her judgement isn’t great. But at least she didn’t lie for him. That’s something.
0 likes@Donald Priola At that point, they didn't know someone had died.... but still, they should have called the police before leaving the scene....
0 likes@Moonhaze uh no, it just means that some people party hard. I know a ton of women who, when they have a night of drinking, will have shots then margaritas, then shots, then Long Island ice teas, then more shots, then fruity margarita drinks, then end the night with wine. They don’t drink all the time or have a reliance on alcohol. It’s an insane claim to make when you’ve heard what someone had during one night of drinking.
0 likesyou call her the poor woman when the coverd on her killer fiance knowing he shots on the car !
0 likesThat's crazy asf dude
0 likes@krispy this made me laugh more than it probably should have 😂
0 likesShe knew what he was.
0 likes@GoddessLee Talk about nailing it!
0 likesShould they have been driving as they both had a lot of rum and coke at wedding strange
0 likes"Should I tell you what I was thinking?"
25 likes"Yeah"
"I was thinking you stupid ass!"
This woman is amazing...
I can’t stand when people play their music super loud like that either and honestly think it’s super disrespectful especially when it’s at stoplights or in neighborhoods but I’d never kill someone over it. This dude was just waiting for the moment to be able to kill someone who knows he may have heard them playing this music driving passed them and then planned it out. Glad he’ll rot in prison.
10 likes“I unholstered my weapon, chambered a round quicker than a flash, shot them in a fluid motion”. who gives a shit about how well you play Lone Ranger and cry about being picked on!
7 likesThe fact he said that he practices pulling the gun and loading it as if he had practiced from the glove box just shows this was a matter of time
1 likeThis guy's whole defense is literally "So anyway i started blasting."
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188 likesLmao
45 likesWhen you're a grown ass man with a gun and these random unarmed high schoolers are apparently just really terrifying for some reason. Like... what...
680 likesAnd he never once expressed remorse for killing someone over playing music he didnt like that was 'too loud'
319 likesKillBash Oh yeah, totally. I'm just saying that his "defense" holds up about as well as a paper bag getting filled with rocks. If he had even the tiniest shred of decency he would've dropped the whole act and owned up to what he did, but of course he chose not to do that. What a disgusting guy and I'm glad he's locked up for good.
122 likesLmao
9 likesIt is surprising to see that he really had the same reasoning as many gang bangers use..He "dissss respectedddd me"
153 likesOh god. I feel like shit laughing at your comment but I did. It’s spot on unfortunately
36 likesI'm the trash man! I eat garbage!
51 likes😂😂😂 gtfo I am dying
9 likesGood comment lmao. Devito's character in It's Always Sunny telling the story before that line is eerily similar to this guy's story and thought process, too.
19 likesYou guys don’t watch the whole video and think critically. The thug was yelling at him. The other men confirmed that.
12 likesNarcissists feel entitled.
24 likesHaha I love stale memes
3 likes@Dawn Thug? Did you not watch the whole vid? Did you miss the part where the cops told him these were high school students with no criminal records? Or the part where the murderer himself called them kids?
85 likesHahahaha!!!! You so funny, "so anyway I started blasting" is literally his whole defense, hahahahaha!!!! That was hilarious.
8 likes@Dawn You don't know the self-defense law: you cannot shoot someone for a threat or shouting match! I am glad Michelle Dunn got life in prison. I am way too much of a man to support a man with a woman's voice.
34 likesDSstudios it’s always sunny in prison 😆
10 likes@Dawn Yea you can totally shoot a someone who yells at you.....yelling puts lives in danger 🙄😒😂🤣
39 likesShould we assume the word thug is a shined up cleaned up N bomb 🙄🤨
61 likes@T.McCall hello how are you? I know this is completely random 🤨😂 but I have an aunt in Alabama named Tonya McCall.....you wouldnt be from alabama would you?
12 likesmoscowmule Dude!! I’m saying like c’mon you suppose to be the most laid back worried free person when your got your weapon . You should feel like John Wayne
2 likes@Andrea Manning That would be a crazy coincidence if she is.
8 likes@Clickbait it would 🤔🤔🤣🤣🤣
4 likes@Dawn You just referred to the guy with no criminal record as "the thug" Thank you for exposing yourself for all to see.
48 likeswell.. that's basically what he did. what I'm annoyed about is I'd really like to know what his actual mindset was when he went on the attack. but we can't know that as long as he tries to stick to the self defense lie.
7 likes@Kirika Yumura Hes never going to admit that hes racist and killed a black kid for getting smart with him 😞😥 he just KNEW the stand your ground law would protect him.....
30 likes😂😂😂
1 likeFrank 😂😂
3 likes"But I don't see so good so I missed. They ran away, so I ran after 'em. 'BANG', tried to shoot 'em in the back, but I don't run so good either..."
20 likes"Black kid play the shooty bang music. I had to defend myself."
14 likes@Alfred Indy "Michelle Dunn" O I C wut u did thar
4 likes@Andrea Manning Hopefully, Dawn doesn't have a permit to carry a firearm, because her instructor failed miserably.
10 likes@Alfred Indy No you said he has a woman's voice and you called him Michelle Dunn. I took it as you calling him a woman, but since he's in the big house getting in touch with his more feminine side, he might as well be.
10 likes@Jake Yates LOL
1 likeComic relief is necessary sometimes 😂
5 likesBruh 💀💀💀
1 likeAnthony Foster Sure, he looked up their clean records as he was being confronted
2 likesPaul Clinton entitle? To what?
0 likesLmfaoo
0 likesbang tried to shoot 'em in the back
2 likesNot before quoting the Taxi Driver "are you talking to me?" Before blasting
7 likesgod bless this comment :)
0 likesLMAO
1 like@Andrea Manning sad to say but I think you're right. I just wish he would've owned up to it.. well I wish he wasn't ever carrying a firearm to begin with.
4 likes@Andrea Manning Yes we should. I'm an aging white man and when I hear the T word do not distinguish any difference from the N word. They are one and the same.
4 likes@Dawn And you watch the whole video to think ignorantly. That "Thug" was a child. And you're telling the internet you've never once yelled at someone for sticking their nose where it doesnt belong? over music. Big Period.
7 likesBro I literally started laughing and this situation is so sad lol
3 likesLMAO well said
2 likesRight, and "they were threatening me" because they were black teenagers.
8 likesone smooth movement
2 likes@Ken Jay WOW...YOU LAUGHED "OUT LOUD"! Amazing!
0 likes@Dawn so yelling at someone gets you the death warrant??
5 likes@Andrea Manning He had also been drinking, and probably felt like John Wayne with his weapon. He warped, and ended life, and lives, including his own.
5 likes@KillBash at LEAST silver...the fuq. game was rigged from the start.
0 likes@moscowmule They deserved it.
1 likeHe has absolutely no defense. He can't see past his own ego, his "freedom" and "right" to be the violent aggressor. He continues to think of himself as the victim because he cannot understand the value of human life. They weren't innocent kids in his mind; they were "thugs". He was worried there'd be "more of *them*", as if "they" are a hivemind. It's obvious why he thought that; he reduces their existence to a stereotype.
5 likesThe only appropriate way to prevent or retaliate against people like Dunn is to look at them in the same way: to view them as one-dimensional stereotypes of racist scum, not has human beings, and in turn to take action.
Frank Reynolds
0 likesNah, it was literally "I thought they wuz gon kill me"
1 likeI laughed out loud lmao
1 likeDawn if that’s your way of critical thinking, I feel really sorry for you. I know you’re probably smart in other ways but I hope you never sit in a jury.
1 likeClickbait I know. That would be something.
0 likesJim Morrison glad you’re not a judge or on a jury. You have to think logically for that type of job.
1 like🥴🥴🥴🥴😂😂😂😂😂
0 likesLol
0 likesI always read the comments to decide if I'm gonna watch it. I saw this first and i hit play.
0 likesDawn
0 likesYelling doesn’t mean you should shoot someone! Why don’t you have gun control in your country? It’s saves many lives. Especially children’s lives.
Shabbazz Valley
0 likesActually you should feel ashamed of yourself if you have a weapon.
@Dawn and because you never yell at anybody ur still alive lucky you
3 likesOh my gosh you're right, LOL!
0 likes@moscowmule well if he genuinely thought they had a gun, that would be pretty scary
0 likesliterally just spat my tea back into the mug reading this. im fucking dead
0 likesI dont go anywhere with out my peices
0 likesIt depends what music they were listening to- if it was lil pump then I actually completely understand
0 likesA
0 likesI'm the 100th comment
0 likes@dihpA I'm going to delete my previous comment to make mine the 100th 😈
0 likes@Dawn yeah we know the thug with the gun was yelling at the kids.. I saw that part.
1 likeBtw was that a joke? Its pretty funny I guess.. Big man had to shoot at/kill everyone cuz he got yelled at🤣
@Andrea Manning I assumed that it was..
0 likes@DMVcon ARTists then I'll delete mine and be 100
1 like@DMVcon ARTists or I could just spam the letter a until 1000
1 like@dihpA touche... 🤔 damn your good!🤬
0 likes@DMVcon ARTists sometimes its hard, being the best.
0 likesPeople who say um. Worry me the most.
0 likesWhy did that make me laugh so hard. I immediately thought about that joke:
4 likes"Your honor, prosecution would like to drop the charges on the count this nigga is just too real"
BROOO
0 likesDawn has left the post. Lol she must didn't watch the whole video because she would have known they weren't thugs
0 likesI hate myself for cracking up at this
1 likeLMAO! I think I woke the neighbors...
0 likesYoooooo !!!!!
0 likes"Live And Let Live", as he cocked the gun. Dude, has seen too many action movies.
2 likesHe just needs glasses like the small guy and that's it
1 likeim sad but this made me choke on my cheerios pfft
0 likes@Andrea Manning lol 😂 I was thinking the same thing
0 likesFrank from it's always sunny 😂 "Anyways so I started blasting, I don't see so-well so I don't know if I hit anything, but thank god i had my guns."
3 likes@The ObnoxiouslyCharming makes me think of when keeping it real goes wrong when I heard that
0 likesI love ASIP, hate this dude but love the reference
1 likeCan I offer you an egg in this trying time?
3 likesThis is a really great comment. Bravo.
0 likesOh Frank
1 likeIM DEADDDD
0 likesLol
0 likesHe must’ve been a former police officer 🙈🤣
1 like(The detectives says: I can’t shoot someone because I think they have a weapon..
Well that’s all good, apart from the fact that that’s exactly what you (the police) do🙈🙈)
Now I don't see so good so I missed.
0 likes😂😂😂
0 likesI swear
0 likes@Amber Perry I agree! But make sure you tell the woman advocate @Dawn that who started this debate.
0 likes@Andrea Manning It basically is or at least fox news jargon
0 likes@Jim Morrison Such racism exists sadly amongst too many minds
0 likesSo fuckn true
0 likesLmfaooo but so fuckn true
0 likes🤣🤣
0 likesThey threatened to kill him and he hates thug music
0 likesLmfao
0 likesLmfao 💀
0 likes@moscowmule I guarantee he still tells it the same way when people ask why he's in
1 likeYeah... idk where this guy is from but i assume Mississippi or alabama
0 likesi don't know what happened but.. Got to the shooting!!
0 likes@Chill Penguin a minor with a gta conviction is an astronaut doctor than I guess. I’m sure they all stole cars but only one was convicted. Nice try though buddy. How are we going to get to Mars now without this future astronaut doctor president?
1 like@The ObnoxiouslyCharming lmaooo
0 likes@dang99991 we don’t need to go to mars dawg
0 likes@Aristotle the whole joke is about a r*apist who only assaults other men his size. So Dave chappelle jokes that "that's the most baller shit he's ever heard" lol it's a good bit. Dark as hell but funny
0 likes@Chill Penguin you deleted your comment lol
0 likesYES MY FAVORITE CASE IS BACCC NOW I CAN RE WATCH IT EVERY WEEK
21 likes"It was either a barrel or a stick" I cringed so hard when those lies left his mouth
7 likesJust listening to this man makes me so mad. He's so full of himself and clearly had no regard for the lives of the people he shot.....he was surprised at the fact that he was being charged with murder and it wasn't being viewed as self defense. On top of that, he has a really obnoxious matter of fact inflection in his voice that I think he thinks makes him sound innocent.
0 likesYou don’t get to shoot someone just because they hurt your feelings there buddy boy.
19 likesRhonda is too pure for this world. She was honest about everything and she even felt guilty because she was the one that had the idea to get to that gas station. She shouldn't feel that guilt, I hope she is doing ok and the other boys too.
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And to me it’s just so obvious that Mike hates black dudes and he pulled up to have a confrontation with them on purpose. You can hear his clear beliefs on the subject in his phone call from the jail.
315 likes@CPT Freeman Here's a thought: You can feel sorry for two people at the same time. Shocker!
197 likes@CPT Freeman Didn't she become a politician?
8 likesRhonda is awesome
21 likes@Bradley The Builder The guy's a FREAK.
3 likesnibblesxsips yet I hear more people talking about the woman who lost nothing and not of the woman who lost her child my comment must’ve hit home for you
72 likesI loved Rhonda and we need more people like her.
21 likes@CPT Freeman that's not necessarily true my guy. you're thinking about the situation far too black and white. more than one life was lost in this confrontation; most importantly though, the loss of child's life.
24 likes@ShyGurl Yup, she's Congresswoman Lucia "Lucy" McBath (D-GA) now.
10 likesShe knew who she married
12 likes@CPT Freeman because of her demeanour on the stand. She looks broken.
0 likesI feel bad for her too but this is also what happens when we tolerate racists. I'm not blaming her. But we shouldn't give them the time of day so maybe they think hmm wonder why I'm so alone, maybe I shouldn't say shady stuff all the time.
28 likesshes sweet but how could she let the conversation end after he just told her he was SHOOTING at a car?? cant imagine just letting that go and moving on with the night? maybe he was abusive and she didn’t want to push the issue but i just cant see someone having such little reaction to your fiance telling you he just let off a clip in a fucking 7/11 parking lot. smh i don’t get it.
15 likesHim: "I hate that thug music"
39 likesHer: "I know...."
We don't stop this behavior by marrying it and brushing it aside our whole lives. She knew he was a racist piece of shit and still married him, she's not that much of a saint.
Yup what a great woman. Hope you find such a great partner...
0 likesBastiwen not really,she wanted to spend the rest of her life with a racist. She did tell the truth and I guess she deserves a pat on the back for being a decent human being. We really are setting the bar low though.
22 likes@Lexmix that's like saying a mother knows when she's gonna birth out a serial killer so it's her fault that said serial killer then killed.
18 likesPeople can hide a lot and show what they want to. Sociopaths, narcissists etc. Are very good at this. She genuinely seems very pure and what he did shook her to the core... like what he did was something she would never expect from the man she's "known" and loved.
Jesse Henderson they weren’t married yet
6 likes@Heather Harnish exactly.
1 like@N E S S Unfortunately its more like
2 likesRacists: Everyone hates me and won't associate with me
Other racists: don't worry man we like you.
shaming doesn't promote change it simply cause racists to seek solidarity with other racists furthing reinforcing their racism.
@Bradley The Builder The only race issue that was brought up was the person in the back seat calling him a cracker, And unless you are a mind reader we will never know who was racist if any. No need to race pimp this shooting
6 likesI felt so bad in the beginning when she was shaking and obviously terrified. Haven’t finished the video yet so I don’t know whether she turns out to be unlikeable, but it’s sad. My heart goes out to the grieving family.
0 likesRobert Hunter A grown man took three minutes to decide to grab his gun and start shooting at a vehicle with teenage boys in it. Even as they drove away. He is racist to his core. And if you can’t see that…...then you’ve cut from the same cloth.
9 likes@Bradley The Builder Source on that.
1 likeBradley The Builder he never said the n word though
0 likesRhonda broke my heart, she was really honest and the fact she is blaiming herself cause it was her idea of going to the gas station, that is a very excelent woman, and her fiance.....well he is a very confuse man, the fact is that he didnt thought on what he was doing,, he was nervous and got scared, and that is a loose cannon, he reacted he never thought of any, when you havre a gun for self defense, you take classes to use the guns in the correct way TAKE A DAMM CLASS FOR SELFDEFENSE AND THE RIGHT USAGE OF A GUN!!....takin a gun out is your last resort!! its when there is no doubt you are or someone else in real life danger! and takin a gun out, just take this in consideration, if the gun is out its cause someone else will die, YOU WANT THAT?? No way! that is why is your last resort and your life or somone else is in imidiant and imminent life danger!......this mas had no idea and a kid end up loosing his life cause of ignorance...this case is truly sad
1 like@Jesse Henderson but there is such a thing as thug music and hating it doesn't make you a racist. This guy may well be a racist, but his taste in music is not proof of it. I also hate music about drugs and gangs and fucking women and would define it at thug music.
7 likesBut while watching news of a 17 yr old murdered bc of music she said "we need to go home"
3 likes@Dra Kid True but in the girlfriend department it is a little different. Much easier to find "a woman" than specifically a racist woman who reaffirms my racism. I doubt ladies are knocking down his door. If she shut him out it could have been a wake up call. Then again he could have murdered her, he is clearly a ciolent person.
0 likes@Valtyr Berzerk Learn how to write
0 likesCPT Freeman The death of a child is a million times worse than having a fiance who ends up being a convicted murderer, but the latter is still a huge loss too.
0 likes@Mon she didn't want to die too probably. Same as my uncle.
2 likesmorgan1985uk I mean yeah kinda. Mike seems a bit like a narcissistic ruling elite to me...
0 likesWell...actually I feel like she was just scared and her morals had nothing to do with this. I hate Dunn’s guts but how fast she turned on him kinda surprised me...seemed like self preservation more than anything else to me. (Again, absolutely not defending Dunn, just think that we shouldn’t deify ppl for no reason)
2 likesI wish I could hug her and the family
0 likes@Ian Mangham hopefully you are right Rhonda is the majority but I grew up in churches with rapist preachers who's wives all stayed
0 likes@Lexmix you're not following the story too well they weren't married just engaged
0 likes@Robert Hunter Hunter. If you're white, you probably contribute to our racist world. There is no white person that's not racist to some degree, we grow up in a racist society. Ignoring it and claiming you're not racist is ironically racist. Let's be honest with ourselves, his attitude, our society. Unfortunately this is racist, 17 year old black kids playing "thug music" and he ended up killing them. Sorry if it hurts your feelings buddy but this is racist.
2 likes@Darrin Rentruc He confirms being racist in his letters from jail, lots of hard r
1 likeYea much respect to her for having principles and sticking to them when it counted the most. I’d join the Rhonda fan club
0 likesExcept the part of her being engaged to a racist pos.
1 likehe was looking for that kind of opportunity. he carried a gun and parked right next to them. he has an aggressive and racist mentality and wanted to get into a conflict where he would be the “victor.” you could see how much pride he took in his gun-related activity and his military buddies. he was looking for the opportunity to use his gun.
2 likesalso, how could you call a racist murderer “honey”?
1 likeI wonder if some of that guilt is because it was clear who he was and she felt bad for being with him as well as the wine. Poor woman 💕
0 likesGuys, this just shows why you don't get married. She'll throw you under the bus. And then a bunch of women on youtube will agree with her.
1 like@Jazza BigHits First zhings first, I'm a guy. Second, it's not "throwing someone under the bus", it's not defending a murderer, you know, obeying the law ?
2 likesIt’s been a year since JCS uploaded.
1 likeWe need more of these videos….
When this guy was growing up people probably could have gotten away with what he did
1 likeI dont know, and I know you shouldnt judge on first impressions but he strikes me as a bully and, like all bullies, he is a coward at heart. He is extremely unlikeable and would imagine he didnt have many friends. My heart goes out to the family of the kid he killed...what a waste of a young life!
0 likesHe pulls in right beside them having already heard the loud music, then takes exception to it.
2 likesHe is further irritated by the music being turned back up, and then yet even further irritated by being mouthed off to by a bunch of kids. He is well aware they are singing out the lyrics of the song in order to antagonize him, but it infuriates him nonetheless.
He grabbed the gun out of pure anger and instantly reacted.....an extremely common theme among people who have had too much to drink and been offended in some way. The fact that he went to the hotel room and had pizza (to try to soak up the excess alcohol and hopefully appear more sober if the police show up) and then went to sleep instead of calling the police (sleep off the drunkenness and if the police don't come until morning, why would you call them to have them come sooner) further supports this thesis. Then when the police don't show up in the morning, he makes a break for it and screams home thinking he's safe from being found out. Completely and selfishly concerned only with how anything affects him and how he feels about everything.
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I like to drink, quite often to excess.
1 likeSo anyway a few years ago I used to have a hunting knife of some description, I used to like to pull it out while I was blackout drunk and only realize when I would wake up the next day.
So that happened a few times and it honestly freaked me out what I was doing with it in that state so I ended up getting rid of it. I felt like it was the best way not to end up like this jackass here.
He literally told his story like he believed he was in the right and had nothing to be concerned about at all and the cops were going to say "sorry you felt threatened sir and good job for shooting up a car of kids"..
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he thought that, since he's white and the people he had attacked were of color, he would be fine
114 likes@unnamed fangirl yeah..i think in his mind, he would have no consequences due to that. He believed all cops are racists...hes the same type of guy to call the cops when he saw some black people having barbeque at a public park
53 likes@uh wot theyre under 18..i think thats what they mean..technically still kids
25 likesI had to find a low numbered comment to say this but goddamn that public footage looked straight out of a movie. Great camera guy they got in Florida.
5 likes@uh wot ikr. It's kids when it's suits. It's adults when it suits. All emotional drivel.
2 likesEven the black cop said he thought those "kids" would shoot at him of they'd had a gun. These aren't innocent, bright eyed, 5 year olds.
3 likes@gdbiw86 just because he didn't mention anything doesn't mean there's no underlying causes. Do you expect him to let our racial slurs amidst the situation he's in? Calling them "thugs" and saying he hates "thug" music whereas they were all unarmed teenagers. He felt threatened because they were black, none of these would have happened if it were white kids. You seem to lack knowledge on this topic not the other way around.
26 likes@gdbiw86 You sound mad lol
1 likeHe heard about this so called white privilege, and actually believed it was a thing 😂😂
4 likes@Slick Grit Productions "thug" music/culture needs more dehumanization.
0 likesIf it evaporated from afro-american culture over night then anti-black sentiment would follow along with it.
@madlarkin8 'jazz' music/culture needs more dehumanisation; 'blues' music/culture needs more dehumanisation, etc.
2 likes@madlarkin8 what about all the other genre of music that comes from African American culture that every listens to? Country music comes from African American culture also so what your point. Might as well dehumanize all of it and yall create yall own shit for once
0 likes@unnamed fangirl spoken like a true socially engineered American
0 likes@LazyBunnyLyn BBQ Becky. Or in this case, BBQ Becker.
0 likes@Daniel O white priivelege does not mean you can do anything and get away with it. It does mean a lot of things in life will be easier for you though. You're 66% less likely to get a call back for a job if you have a black sounding name. Its just the way it is.
1 like@Seraph Sephiroth however on an individual basis your right a racist white employer will likely try not to hire blacks, but same goes for black employers or far left self hating white employers. Theres no laws in place that make a black mans life any more difficult, though
0 likesTwitter likes to go on about bullshit and call everything racism and white privilege - but I believe this is a case of actual white privilege (or at least, perceived privilege).
0 likesHe thought he was in the right because he's white.
@Seraph Sephiroth article didnt say anything about their work background or criminal history, buddy
0 likes@Daniel O it's not "bull crap" lol. This is something that has been studied on multiple occasions. Even I completed a research project about this subject in college. Guess what we found after surveying a little over 300 random participants? People with "white" sounding names would get a call back or hired more than people with "black" sounding names, regardless of their educational background, accolades, etc. But hey, your one personal experience MUST mean that this doesn't actually happen.
4 likes@Bre R. Even if true and it has nothibg to do with work history or criminal records, then like I said its still on an individual basis, and NO law allows this, there is zero laws in place to give white people the edge. One day whites wont be the majority anymore, then youll be happy
0 likes@LazyBunnyLyn that’s a big assumption there
0 likes@River Bagley thats why i said "think" and not i "believe"..it is just what i "think" and my assumption of what he felt at that time
0 likes@Dáithi O'Cinnsealach he didn't say that. He actually said that these KIDS, literal teenagers, didn't have any history of violence or history with the law.
0 likes@Dáithi O'Cinnsealach you ain't too bright...the cop at that point was saying all kinds of stuff to goad him into admitting too much before he had a lawyer
1 likethey were normal teenagers
0 likes@Dáithi O'Cinnsealach You wouldn't shoot someone back if you got shot at?
0 likesLove the videos man,Wish you still made them or whatever.I been telling everyone that likes 48hours and 20/20 this is 100%Better.The streets are talking about the JCS( inspired..you have created a whole new category
5 likesThe most important part for me was the "In my head, I'm thinking :"You stupid ass!" But I see that he was already upset."
2 likes1 - She doesn't say "scared", but "upset". The dude was never scared.
2 - if you're in a healthy relationship, you can say whatever you need to say to your partner, even if he or she's angry. If you think it's better to wait until s/he's cool down before making a reproach, ponder if it's really the kind of relation you want, it's doomed to end badly.
And seriously... Who the f* cares about the music during the day on the parking of a gas station ? If it was during the night under the window of your home, I could understand the annoyance. Not the shooting, but the annoyance. But on a public place, during the day, in a space where you don't intend to spend more than 10 minutes, the music is not your concern.
Lastly, during the phonecall with his fiancée, the dude by this point KNOWS he killed an unarmed teenager, and the ass got the gall the say "I'm the victor, but also the victim" lilke if it was a clever things to say.
You are not the victor dude, you shot 8 rounds on an unarmed fleeing teenager, that's not beeing a victor, that's being a bully with not a shred of remorse, and I'm happy you'll spend the rest of your life behind the bar. I'm sorry for the kid who lost his life because you were allowed to hold a gun even if you were not responsible enough to handle such a thing. I'm sorry for his pals who lost a friend/brother while there were just chilling during the day. And I'm sorry for your fiancée, who got to go through this ordeal just because she fell in love with an arse with a temper who didn't deserve her.
Proud of Ronda for telling the truth and not letting this evil man get away with it
1 likeMichael Dunn holds the biggest pitty party in 2012.
2 likesEdit he says that his windows were rolled up and the music was blaring yet he still manages to hear someone say "just kill him". He must have incredible hearing.
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That's a great alternate title. But yeah, just think if he refused to talk without speaking with a lawyer. He probably would've gotten off. It's a good thing these heinous criminals aren't very bright or knowledgeable.
0 likes'I hate that thug music'
33808 likesProceeds to act like a thug ringing out 10 shots at some kids in a car.
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Good point well made
1060 likesThat’s wild, solid point
822 likesAbsolutely fucking spot on.
824 likesIrony at its most tragic.
495 likesClear example of how “thug” is dog whistle for black person, especially propagated through conservative news stations including Fox News
1590 likesHahaha, I know that's what she testified, but he absolutely did not use the word "thug".
163 likes@I'll taketh thy cheese by force , define gang, and define crime.
171 likesBecause there's a gang in this People's White House and they sure are committing a lot of crimes and a lot of these gang members are getting away with it.
I wonder what he was listening to at the time.
37 likes@P why does race always have to be a part of everything? We all know thugs come from every race.
223 likesIt can suck for sure, so can’t some country & hip hop & rock, definitely pop but none of them suck enough to shoot your gun 9? 10? Into the car. Idk man. Just no excuse
81 likes@I'll taketh thy cheese by force
18 likes👍😊 your name is awesome bro!!!! Get that cheeeese!🧀🧀🧀
I'll taketh thy cheese by force and my no mean am I insinuating you said that, I’m just saying myself lol
2 likes@I'll taketh thy cheese by force It's a dog whistle, my guy. You being black doesn't change the fact that a lot of neocons and alt-right reactionaries use the word to describe your demographic.
207 likes@TheOriginal GGHarasser Being racist isn't very slime of you
25 likes@Subversive Control Yeah, I saw. You used words to make absolutely no point at all. Because 'tractor' carries no loaded, subversive meaning to a knowing audience, goofy.
77 likes@Ebon you have to be painfully delusional to act like this doesn't have a racial element to it. This is why racism isn't being dealt with, people like you put their head in the sand and give racists excuses
278 likesGuarantee he used a word other than "thug" in the car lol
80 likesSubversive Control believe it or not it is as it was presented. His own fiancé said he made no mention of a gun, how convenient that he feared for his life after the fact. He was just mad the kids cursed his ass out, why shoot after they start driving away. I know you racists want to justify this but there is absolutely no justification. Even if they did get out of the car, this is not a stand your ground case at all!
146 likes@Jevvy Media to you maybe
2 likesI guess he was giving them what he perceived to be a taste of their own medicine. Sometimes you don't know who you're pissing off.
9 likes@P REDDIT MOMENT
5 likesCozyPHID it’s propagated through rap music. There is your problem. Rappers calling each other the N-Word and degrading women. Some rock music is just as bad. Black metal is even worse. Nothing positive comes out of any music with sexual, degrading and negative overtones. Conservatives did not create the word thug or propagate the word.
32 likes@I'll taketh thy cheese by force it is a dog whistle lol wake up. and they should just say blacks, but theyll get fired if they do so they say thugs.
11 likesExactly...
1 likeYeah good point!
1 like@Subversive Control stop with the white nationalist foxnews view points and discuss the video...
54 likes@Nadia Allman
2 likesExcellent Observation and you are so right!
To the many foxnews supporting comments...you sound a lot like Mr Dunn here...been brainwashed by fox...and we all know Dunn watches fox.
62 likesThat being said , they #ucked with the wrong person. Maybe other teenagers will to realize they don’t control the world and them being rude and threatening can have dire results,
13 likes@Sean what does thug mean? lol. black?
0 likes@I'll taketh thy cheese by force yeah right Mr. I'm Black...gtfoh!
3 likes@Subversive Control you are indeed correct with your analysis.
5 likes@_ANCIENT ASTRONAUT THEORIST_ no,... government IS different than gang etc, but what we have is a gang etc. libertarianism is wrong.
2 likesWe all know he didn't say thug.
7 likes@Sew Me okay so specifically what distinguishes blacks from whites genetically. Give me the actual biology to back your claims.
32 likesPlease enlighten me.
@Subversive Control i agree with you 100 percent, all the kids did was blast some music
5 likes@Subversive Control you are mistaken, of course we have SOME idea of what happened...aren't you listening? 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
7 likesThis is the dumbest comments thread I've ever come across. No hate to the OP.
40 likesI didn't see any kids in the car
1 like@_ANCIENT ASTRONAUT THEORIST_ Sorry, what are you referring to? People from the left/far-left that do what?
1 likeDamn
0 likesSubversive Control . Your exhausting responses are a study on why anti-black racism remains so durable and powerful in America. This case is settled: Forensics, multiple eye witnesses, reason and logic all tell us what happened in totality, but you’ll avoid all the facts and power thru with your racial bias anyway and paint the black murder victims as aggressors who had it coming. This is not cognitive dissonance. You’re just a hate merchant against black folk. Like millions in America
66 likesWell put.. And i know, wtf
1 likeAfter watching this video I Googled Michael Dunn and found this spectacular treasure trove of letters he wrote during his trial:
37 likeshttps://floridajustice.com/michael-dunns-letters-from-jail/
Two main takeaways:
1) Yes, he's exactly as racist as you think
2) He's grappling with the enormity of being sent to prison for murdering a child by calling literally every person there except himself a "thug"
@TheOriginal GGHarasser You deny using a dog whistle and then IN YOUR VERY NEXT SENTENCE say "not my fault a lot of them act like thugs."
51 likesWhy do you even bother pretending you're not racist? You realize that you don't get to decide whether or not you are, right? Other people decide that for you.
@Coco Vaughn exactly he used the hard ER
6 likesThat part!
0 likes@LAVATORR nice find!
4 likes@Pete Haskell happened to a guy with a table leg. Officers favour, yes, civilians, no.
0 likes@Jay Bee , are you a forever-Trumper?
1 like@Callum Lambkin You are using the word racism so loosely. Makes it seem like you don't understand what it actually means.
4 likesLike I said, the only valid argument is one of culture.
Unless you can provide the biological evidence that race is more important that culture, these type of discussion is not worth anyone's time.
@Pete Haskell Where can read more on this? Post the link.
0 likes@Subversive Control Sarcasm!!? Apparently, you know These kids. What did they do?
6 likes@Coco Vaughn So, you know these people? You're involved in the case?
4 likes@TheOriginal GGHarasser So, you Klan members feel that simple disrespect from a black person justified murder? And, I believe the only way you were through the courts was as a defendent. Possible something sexual towards kids. White guys love kids.
25 likes@Subversive Control When was a tire jack introduced in this case? There was no mention of this anywhere.
18 likes@I'll taketh thy cheese by force well done. The world needs more ppl like you maybe. How can we ever deal with situations if we can't even talk to each other honestly. The world seems to be increasingly full of ppl who just cannot 'wait to be offended by something.
5 likesCarbonQuellist go watch chapo trap house
0 likes@Subversive Control The context is Fox News and their demonstrable use of "thug" as an allegory for "black people". Do share your independently verified, falsifiable and peer-reviewed evidence for your claims as well as a mechanism we can use to delineate your beliefs from delusions. Surely you care whether or not your beliefs comport with reality, right? Where's your data that demonstrates a tire iron, or similar object, pointed at Dunn or that the KIDS in the car did anything to cause the thug, Dunn, to murder one of them. Can't wait to review your evidence! Maybe you can have his conviction overturned! Smdh.
22 likes@Subversive Control Well, your little wish list of possibilities does not make you an attorney. I do appreciate the fact that you're trying to insert reasonable doubt into the minds of the readers of this thread as lame as it is. Good luck with All that.
15 likes@LAVATORR seriously, it'd be better if they just accepted themselves so we could know more easily to stay away from them. They know being racist is bad and unacceptable but want to be racist anyway so they need to find cheeky ways to avoid it
17 likes@Lucie Otis why u pointing out his colour? That's the sort of shit that keeps racism alive. Let it go already.
3 likes@Ebon I'm totally not saying I'm 'with her coz I'm not but, their 'are genetic differences. Of course! You know that right? Else how could you do one of those "ancestory" dna swab tests?
1 like@Pete Haskell you're right. I bet a cop wouldn't have got 90 years!!!
0 likes@John Attwood I do realize that I just want to learn about this "thug" gene.
6 likesI basically am just trying to prove that all their comments derive from culture rather than genetics.
As far as as I know there is no biology to support any of their claims and that is what i would love to learn about.
Both Dunn and the victim acted like thugs. Dunn out-thugged him, unfortunately.
0 likes@ADMA FBI Table 23.
0 likesNo. The thugs were playing the loud noogie boogie. Now there’s one less thug. This man is a hero.
4 likes@Callum Lambkin Dingdingding. Absolutely. Racists swear up and down they're the "silent majority" and their ideas have tons of widespread appeal, yet they're such fucking cowards they trip over themselves lying about their beliefs under even minor pressure.
18 likesYour ideas are so popular even YOU are embarrassed to stand by them in public.
then on the way home him and his wife listened to his music on whatever volume he choose
7 likes@Donnie W They're not thugs so it's okay.
3 likesYour Honor, I said "I don't like that slug music."
6 likes@Subversive Control yeah, they didn't, they had absolutely no criminal record
13 likes@Subversive Control man what are you talking about, what's that got to do with what I said
10 likes@Subversive Control whats your deal?
12 likesJohn Attwood You should stop. You all only say this to black people who agree with you and who assuage your guilty conscience. Its so transparent.
7 likesExactly
2 likesDefinition of THUG: a cruel or vicious ruffian, robber, or murderer.
12 likesYup...the only thug here is Michael Dunn.
"kids"
2 likes@NordMan 17 is a kid
6 likes@Callum Lambkin uhhh I'd say the bigger issue that needs to be addressed is inside the black community. There would be far less racists in the world if they cleaned up their act.
4 likesJevvy Media
0 likesWhich is perfectly acceptable. Blacks say the NWord I'd Our Word. Okay, Thug is ours now. And it can describe more than one race.
Renee S.
0 likesI agree.
@LAVATORR thanks for sharing...racism and our gun culture is a terrifying combination.
7 likesSew Me “the races are not equal” jeez almost like one of them took the resources from the majority or something, weird.
9 likesTheOriginal GGHarasser it’s funny because there’s a movement in the black community who say the same, black owned business supported by black people for black people
1 like@yo did i just shit myself? the government is not a gang.. THEY ARE THE GANG...
1 like@TheOriginal GGHarasser 100% agreed
0 likes@Jevvy Media really? It is?
0 likessurprised he didn't try to blame his rage on the "thug music" made him do it.
5 likesHes Dunn for.
5 likesHis jail bf is now the Victor...
@Subversive Control You are correct - they did absolutely nothing illegal! Loud music is a noise compliant - not an arrest!
4 likes@TheOriginal GGHarasser YEah right! Walking towards the car was proven untrue. Nice that you support a man with a woman's voice.
4 likes@Lucie Otis That is because he supports the man with the woman's voice.
3 likes@Pete Haskell There was no instant of an arrest. There was no object seen pointed at Michelle Dunn. He has lost two appeal attempts - so good luck with that ridiculous belief.
7 likes@Pete Haskell No imminent threat is necessary. Now we as a society grant our LE officers a miscalculation enforcing the law at times. But self-defense is not what you imagine - it is what is imminent - being a real threat. Why do you think that Michelle lost two appeals so far? Because he cannot prove that he was threatened with a firearm. He cannot prove that Jordan ran at him with a crowbar. You cannot imagine and react. You cannot lie and react.
2 likesyou know he had the 9 pointed sideways.
1 likeNadia Allman- Well said
1 like@LL Cool Nay
0 likesNo, that logic, and excuse only applies to white teens.
@LL Cool Nay
4 likesDon't waste your time, it could be a hd video with amazing sound quality and he would still present some convoluted "doubt which would put a hole in the lynch mobs argument"
@Sew Me
0 likesMeeting a few friends of mine would
destroy your whole argument.
that's right we are sick and tired of teenage thugs . they should either respect people around them or they deserve what's coming to them when they defy everybody around
0 likesThat's not how it happened at all... but ok
0 likesSubversive Control actually they didn’t do anything wrong
5 likesSew Me does that constitute being shot??? FOH
4 likesTheTruth too bad he’s in prison he thought his white skin would free him
4 likes@Anastasia Beaverhousen doing what kids at that age do, I know I played loud music
1 like@Justin Ashton it's exactly what happened
0 likesYep.. you nailed it.
1 like@sognodiangeli "No, that logic, and excuse only applies to white teens." That's 100% the case. It's almost endearing how some people in this thread feel the need to defend their fellow racist. Kudos to them for being such a tightly knit group.
7 likesMark Walker
5 likesSometimes I think for some it’s their inability to face reality while for others it’s as you so truthfully stated.
Aim better next time mr Dunn
0 likesikr like damn cant you politely ask too turn the music down
4 likesand even if they didn't turn it down they probably cant hear you because the music is a bit up
he just sounds all around prejudice too say the least and batshit crazy
he is a supposed to be grown man and he shoots at teenagers? i mean who the hell does this?
it makes no sense
and even if the teens were aggressive in any way ( i mean what teen isnt rebellious?) he should have walked into the store and called the police
he failed too do this because he isnt a responsible adult
he should never be let outside of jail never
this whole mess isso disturbing to me because as a child of GOD alot of things in this situation scare me and saddens me
I just hope the families find justice and heal over time i can oly imagine what they go through each day
@Teardropangel30 You gave the best explanation of what happened that I have read on this thread. When you said, Michael Dunn was the adult, so few seem to forget that. And, who hasn't been around teenagers who mouth off? Thank you!
5 likesNadia Allman wow yes!! Indeed
1 like@I'll taketh thy cheese by force Addressing gang culture is a great subject except, which discussing this case which had absolutely nothing to do with gang culture. Jordan and his friends weren't even close to looking gangster.
6 likes@TheOriginal GGHarasser
0 likesWell said
TheOriginal GGHarasser I was just think what if he had shot in the air? That would have scared most people off. If it didn’t and they still start getting out or point something that’s different.
0 likes@Subversive Control lynch mob argument? He was investigated by professionals and convicted by a jury of his peers. It's called justice.
8 likes@Sew Me gr8 b8 m8! Happy trails 2 yous! 👍
0 likesYeah, they should have been blasting Beethoven. They would have had a better chance if he used a musket.
1 likeBest comment
0 likes@Callum Lambkin it may have a racial element to it to you because the people invovled happen to be of a diff race...theres nothing but him stating that they called him a "cracker" to say this was racially motivated ect. Why do you beleive this is a racially motivated crime?
1 like@TheOriginal GGHarasser "openly disrespected him"? Respect is EARNED.
3 likesTheOriginal GGHarasser I agree
0 likesHe used such perfect logic.
0 likesThat's guns for you. Humans even considered 'normal' by most other people on the surface can be irrational and lose it at times. No gun - No death.
0 likesHe acted like a thug when complaining of others being thugs! Amazing. Guilty..That's why guns don't give people second chances - Black or White, Yellow or Red. Period.
Nadia A only in America
3 likesdeep in his heart, he is holding a grudge towards non-white people, its a race thing.Hate crime.
10 likes@Subversive Control please explain exactly what you mean.
0 likesLol thug life!!!
0 likesThat music (noise) makes me very angry. I could see why he went for his gun.
0 likes"Black kids were playing the music that goes shooty bang. I had to defend myself."
10 likesthe thugs started the altercation
1 like@theodor blasius The thug, you mean. He coulda moved his car.
8 likesPeople started using the word “thug” because they can’t use the n-word anymore. Dunn deserves to be locked up.
9 likeshe did say he hated the "music"
0 likes@I'll taketh thy cheese by force I really suggest watching 13th on Netflix by Ava DuVernay. It's very enlightening about how the US government created fear of black people in the US even among black communities. Every US citizen should watch it, especially African Americans who deserve more than what they are given
4 likesInnocent
0 likesThis Person who narrates this is a cruel SOB
0 likes@Subversive Control Doesn't appear that they did anything that justifies this guy's action, whatsoever.
0 likesI bet he didn't call it thug music.
0 likes@Austin Craig I directly quoted him from the show...
1 likeADMA Exactly. Great point. Those are the thugs that wear suits.
0 likesCozyPHID woah you’re right that’s crazy, everyone has exactly the same thought process and recognizes identical meanings for the words they use.
0 likes@TheOriginal GGHarasser Except they didn't try to walk through his car according to the forensic evidence based on the bullets of the trajectory through the doors. And uh. . . these things the cops said they had called: independent witness. *Shrugs shoulders.
0 likesHoly crap that's dead on. No pun intended
0 likes@Subversive Control Nothing justifies shooting into a car full of kids. Nothing.
1 like@Sew Me ok let's go with repatriation... I am sure the Americans (Native Americans) would love their land back. So where are you heading? 😂
2 likesShooting a gun is not synonymous with acting like a thug.
0 likesAmerican soldiers in Iraq fired into cars and weren’t called thugs.
so sad and absurd. fighting what he thinks is hate with hate
1 likeThats not thug life thats manifest destiny.
0 likesThinking the same thing
0 likesAnnoying people with loud obnoxious does not warrant their death. I saw through your subtle comment there. Like the cops said, they were teenagers. Teenagers can be rebellious. They were at the gas station first. Mr. Dunn pulled up beside them. Why didn't he park somewhere else like the other driver witness?
3 likesDeep
0 likes@I'll taketh thy cheese by force I love how instead of just saying you are black you criticised your accuser of not being clairvoyant. Quality rebuttal.
1 likeWhat do you think they did or didn’t do?
0 likes@Carl Swenson probably some Disney on ice bullshit.
0 likes@Iam AW 6.5k people disagree :)
0 likesIts contagious.
0 likes@Subversive Control They told us that there was nothing in the car no weapon of any kind
0 likes@Carl Swenson i wonder what he has to listen to in prison
0 likes@Subversive Control as a white person, can confirm, tractor is pretty accurate.
0 likesTheOriginal GGHarasser it’s not their fault a lot of you people act like KKK members either
0 likesGood point!
0 likesImagine being in a parking lot for a total of 3 mins and firing TEN SHOTS!!!!!!
2 likesExactly!
0 likesI hate that whiney, wimpy voice of his!
0 likes@michael boultinghouse defending himself...from music?
5 likesFunny how only Leftists hear these dog whistles.
2 likes@Coco Vaughn Definitely didn't say it here 19:48, nope "absolutely did not use the word "thug"... 🙄🙄🙄
1 likeIs he wrong? It is thug music. I grew up in the hood. I used to listen to rap, just to piss off my parents. Listen to the lyrics. Glorification of violence, drug dealing / use, and mistreatment of women. It's really difficult to put a positive spin on rap once you read the lyrics.
4 likes@Realistic Penguin Oh man, you sure got me good, I forgot that there's a magical energy field the police put up during an interrogation that prevents anyone from lying, and that I was arguing that he'd never said the word 'thug' before. I'm totally destroyed, feel free to celebrate with some more emojis
0 likesPsychopaths do that and understand the consequences, a lot of thugs kinda do that and don’t get the gravity of the situation, but also I’m incredibly not qualified to be talking about this 😂
0 likesThe music did it, it got to him smh
1 like@Subversive Control He shot at a car that was driving away. HE had been drinking. HE rolled his window down to tell them to turn the music down. HE hated the music, but chose to park right by the Loud Music. HE only had to deal with the music for minutes. It's not like they were neighbors. HE escalated things. As a grown man HE should have had more self control. Remember that.
4 likes@Cool Noah Maybe he did but it is said teen white boys listen to rap about as much as black boys do.
6 likesKids
0 likesthanks for the spoiler, now I don't need to watch an hour long video
0 likes@Roche fort6 Boy Who Cried Wolf or Blasted Aggressive Music?
0 likeslol yeah
0 likesCozyPHID yeah he could have easily said n*** but he didn’t. I think what he meant by thug was thug lmao
3 likesI feel very sorry for the young men in that car, and what a loss of the young man who was murdered. This was an awful incident.
3 likesI mean I don’t think the guy is innocent by any means but maybe be more respectful it is rather annoying when you have music so fucking Loud. Where I’m from you assume everyone has a gun
0 likesI Live In A Van Down By The River not really what happens lmAo some kids being disrespectful to the wrong guy
0 likes@ADMA Government institutions are not "gangs". Go look up the definition. Npw, name one crime that has been 100% proven to be committed by this "gang". Perjury during an illegal investigation does not count as a crime.
0 likes@Carl Swenson Cop Killer by Ice-T. ..a goood ole wholesome rap classic enjoyed by young peace loving men around the world!
1 like@TheOriginal GGHarasser I do not think that wprd means what you think it means! ;D
0 likes@Lucie Otis ballistics dont prove shit about a door being open or closed. You can't argue angle of entry of the bullets either....the door could have been shut right before the bullets hit even so that is a non-starter. Guess I am racist too now right?
0 likesI will not call that 'kidz'
0 likes@Subversive Control Cop 1: "You know how many times that kid has been to Jail? Never. He has no history of violence. These aren't violent guys." So what is it that fuels your sarcasm? What do you reckon they did wrong? Perhaps you object to their listening to loud music while being black?
2 likesThat's not acting like a thug..
0 likes@Carl Swenson ikr 😂
0 likes😂😂 I've been laughing hard for like 5mins cause of this comment I'm gonna go to hell now
0 likesWhat, was there a half price Ammo sale at Walmart?
0 likes@P Well, that didn't age well.
1 likeYou win
0 likesGood
0 likesTHIS! very good comment 👏🏻
0 likes@I'll taketh thy cheese by force It absolutely is the new n-word. Älä valehtele, se on inhottava tapa, joka monilla ihmisillä on tänään.
1 like@ADMA Facts 👏🏻!
1 like@Big Stank It is sad that you feel the need to valehdella. Olet väärässä väärässä ja tiedät sen. Ällöttävä!
1 like@TheOriginal GGHarasser You are literally making your point of view up. If you only listened to the people in this video you would know that the only person to say what you said is a convicted murderer. Every other person that watched this event go down says that you are a LIAR.
1 like@KH for God sakes ALL TEENAGERS OF ALL PLACES WITH THE RECOURCES PLAY LOUD MUSIC AND LIKE TO REBELL!
5 likesPLAYING LOUD MUSIC DOES NOT JUSTIFY A KILLING
@Sean ...a dog is too good for him. Dogs are loyal and care about people...he's a sub-species.
1 like@Subversive Control you're repeating similar comments as the murderer made in the vid. Just goes to show both of your feelings about black people or young people is more common that some people think
1 like@Sew Me damn, racists aren't even trying to hide it anymore
1 like@Subversive Control i mean you watched the video and still made a comment after the fact about "im sure these poor children did nothing wrong". Why would you make a comment like that after you've seen the evidence and proof? The only people saying shit like that is people with similar mindsets as the murderer, i.e. racists or older people who have something against the youth
1 like@Subversive Control he's been convicted of murder, and wont be getting out. Im not arguin about it being premeditated, im simply saying his comments had racial undertones. And a lot of comments in this thread including yours seemingly share the same views he does or of other old racists
1 likeStill...
0 likesnot blameless
0 likesFACTS
0 likesSubversive Control explain what you think they did to justify getting shot, genius.
1 likeMy Channel you dont know what happened. Possible one of the kids flashed a bit of silver.. would be in character. To say oh these poor teens were blameless is obv politically motivated. Reality says otherwise.
0 likesEpic
0 likesEnjoy YourDay w
0 likes@Big Stank You know how many times that's been debunked. Actually do some research, "they fought eachother so they deserved to have their land stolen and genocided" idiotic to assume every one of the hundreds of tribes were violent and not just a select few.
1 likeJevvy Media I was just going to say this... we all know what he means by ‘thug’
1 likeCarl Swenson, most likely Lawrence Welk!
0 likes@TheOriginal GGHarasser
0 likesI'm sure he didn't know he had taken that teenagers life. And he never made up any excuse about having taken a life because he didn't know he had to do so! I believe he did see something he mistook for a gun, and believe the teenager did open his door to advance but realised whilst the man was reaching for his gun in what he claims was fear for his or his fiancées life, the teenager realised and closed his door, but he had never stepped out but had opened the door and made it clear to the man he was in the midst of getting out and advancing. None of the teenagers having criminal records doesn't mean they weren't into crime, just means they were fortunate not to then have yet been caught for anything. And all criminals at some stage in their lives didn't have criminal records until they first got caught.
This would make an interesting Broadway musical.
0 likeswhen you carry a hammer all your problems will look like nails.
0 likes@Subversive Control ur telling me loud music justifies someone going full punisher on you ?!? Are you insane ?
1 likeWell , he will enjoy next 60 years where there's no loud music!
1 like@Sean I've never heard the word thug directed to a black person if thats what you meant. everyone goes to race way to fast
0 likesActually I would blame the rap thug music for inciting violence . It was designed for that in the first place. Every time I hear it it makes me reach for both Lady Smith and Mr Wesson. That Sledge hammer makes the same frequency as the rap music . (:
0 likesIKR 😑
2 likesExactly...
0 likesFlorida is a dangerous place to live damn!
0 likes@Subversive Control So loud music justifies murder now?
2 likes@Subversive Control You didn't answer my question.
0 likesSew Me there’s no science supporting that.
2 likes@Broken Abyss Just took a listen. I can tell you're new. Are you used to talking into a mic? It sounds like you're reading a paragraph in front of the class, but I wouldn't worry. That comes with time. Keep it up!
1 like@HorseLuver4Everlol i know!!! I’m
0 likesnot a strong reader in the first place, but reading on the spot when recording is even harder. My biggest problem is that I use my iPhone to write, record and edit the videos. So the audio wouldn’t be great even if I was a stronger reader. I plan on buying a mic and laptop as soon as I can. I have broke people problems, but at least I have an iPhone. Lol
Jahh Cobb Just one thing to say, the robotic sort of reading. Other than that You got this! You’ll do great!
0 likes@Big Stank the trump administration behaves like a crime syndicate...called his own lawyer a rat.
0 likesWether you believe it or not several trump people have been indicted and are serving time
RICO would fit.
@Subversive Control The court concurs with that notion. Which is why Dunn is in jail.
1 likeSmh. Facts
0 likesRight? They were KIDS.
1 likeSimply put he was racist 🤷🏾♀️
0 likesBig Stank it’s the biggest gang there is.
0 likesYou know when he saw that Black detective he was sick as hell 😂
0 likesWe see that a lot these days.
0 likesThey were both wrong. One just overreacted.
1 likeWell said my friend!! Your correct, I never thought of that way he was the only "thug" in this devastating story. RIP JORDAN
0 likesEbon honestly, it does look like he was “scared for his life” because it was black teenagers. i doubt that he would feel this intimidated if it were white teenagers. white people tend to feel more “afraid” of people of color. i don’t blame them though, this behavior is taught from a young age. it was always be untaught.
0 likesChris they were teenagers. KIDS. TEENS. HARD HEADED TEENS. the older man should have known better than to expect a group of teenagers to care whether he likes their music or not.
0 likes@Leslie Melo That is silly. 1st what you wrote is a gross exaggeration. 2nd its is a common conception in the US... and still racist. 3rd I am a "person of color" and educated in body language communications. The first reaction is to how someone is dressed, (not skin color) and second how they behave (not skin color.) What you are talking about is not "taught" it's a reaction to behavior. Also I will add that not only "African" Americans have "black" skin. Many East Indians are also "black." This crap about skin color needs to stop.
0 likesThat was a great comment
0 likes@ADMA name one and give substantial proof of that please......
0 likes@Leslie Melo Yes as much as it goes against the grain, racism is usually a part of a culture. No one sits in school and teaches racism like a science (except for the 1920's and thirties... which is why the members of the Nazi Party were mostly doctors! of all things.) "Racism" mostly exists in the "African" American community but not in other black communities like the (actual) African and Western Antillies communities. They "look" the same (like Leventines and Greeks) but their body language (attitude) is largely different. Each individual is also different. Other "of color" people also do not face the same supposed discrimination the "African" Americans complain about. And just as a disclosure both of my parents are from Africa. I was born in Asia.
0 likes@Leslie Melo if racism is taught... who was the first teacher?
0 likesnogh Thangs parents.
0 likeslmao honestly tho
0 likes@Leslie Melo Again, that is culture. So you want to wipe out certain cultures (peoples) is that your genocidal solution... your "final" solution.
0 likesit's the racism for me
0 likesnogh Thangs lol no, it is not culture to be racist 💀 again, you’re making zero points
0 likes@Leslie Melo Its not skin color...its culture. Ergo it's not racism...its annoyance.
0 likesnogh Thangs whatever makes you happy buddy. sorry you can’t see the sad reality of my statement. have a nice day
0 likesKids kids kids kids all i hear is kids
0 likesIt's poetic in a way how kids listen to music about being a criminal.
0 likes💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯
0 likes@Big Stank actually the government is a gang. Run by gangsters like the Clintons.
1 like@Ryan Depaulo best comment on the entire video my man
1 likeThey're not kids.
0 likes@The Bringer of Salt they were 17, they were minors
0 likesWhat was the song, though?
0 likesfair enough 😂😂😂
0 likes@Coco Vaughn hit that nail right on the head
0 likes@ADMA No one wants to hear that here. We're watching interesting videos.
0 likesPeriod
0 likesChef_Excellence 19:52 YES HE DID
1 likemy thoughts exactly.
0 likesGreat point
0 likesHe didn't choose Thug Life...
0 likes"Kids in a car" can often be quite dangerous.
0 likes@Carl Swenson probably some gay Jimmy Buffett song lol
1 likebest damn comment
0 likesyes.
0 likes@Sew Me says The Troglodyte 😄
0 likesLiterallyyy
0 likesthe music made him act that way. i rest my case.
0 likesExcept thugs are smarter like my dad got killed in a drive by my idiot gang member step brothers where both killed by rival gang members and to this day 1/2/2021 there has been 0 arrests cuz they be smarter then Dunn .
0 likes@KK and sims 4 damn sorry to hear that :( rip
0 likesAs an OG of the Brevard County Vatos Locos, Mr. Dunn represented for the East Coast gangsta rap scene. The young men in the Durango were bumping some Dirty South booty bass and a turf war was unavoidable.
0 likesRiiight
0 likes@Ebon what do you think his motive was? (The trial already proved that it wasn't self defense).
0 likes@Coco Vaughn yeah, unfortunately I’m inclined to agree with you.
0 likesTwo types of gun owners, the ones who hope they never have to use it, and the ones who hope they do
2 likes@Sew Me what...
0 likes@Coco Vaughn I'd bet every dollar that's it. The lawyer told them to not use slurs and replace them with another word they could use. They definitely lied in court.
1 likeJust be respectful and turn the music down. It's really that simple.
0 likes@Coco Vaughn it’s true, I was the car
0 likes@Sew Me I used to play my music super load at 16-20, I had a subwoofer and would blast kid cudi, 2pac, snoop, any rap or hip hop song that was “in”...with my windows down. 🤔🤷♀️ Oh, I’m white. Playing loud music has NOTHING to do with race.....
1 likeAnd later flees the scene without calling the authorities.
0 likes@Coco Vaughn How are you so sure?
0 likes@Ebon Lol don't act dumb. We all know what "thug" means when used by white conservatives
0 likesonly ten shots?
0 likesHe was the only one acting like a thug that day.... 😡😡😡
2 likes@Ebon Because racist people keep using "thug" to mean "black person".
0 likes@JHamm Um, actually yes they did. It wasn't communists, socialists, or liberals who started calling people "thugs".
0 likes@TheTruth Did you seriously say they deserved to die for playing loud music?
0 likesAlso, it's been proven in many cases that older people think teenagers are being disrespectful, when they aren't even doing anything.
@Ebon Uhhhh, "white" people get sunburnt more often, but get more vitamins out of solar radiation. "White" people have a stronger tolerance for lactose, but weaker for things like beans.
0 likesThis is because building up a tolerance to food takes hundreds, if not thousands of years.
That's basically most of the genetic aspects.
Hit it on the knob
0 likes@Ebon not everyone thinks that plus this whole video is abt a race motivated murder so that’s why someone would bring race into it
0 likes@P nah
0 likes@Ebon thugs are used to describe black people period.
0 likesand its a racially motivated crime so your point makes no sense
@P not true. Conservatives don’t think all black people are thugs. Lol.
1 like@P look up "Chicago" or "weekend shootings" or even "school shootings" and then look at how many are gang related.
2 likes@Coco Vaughn "waiting for another car load of thugs to come" 20:00
0 likeswell, why is this man under trial? A software engineer taken from his freedom for 4 lowlifes good at nothing? Well done America, well done. Continue to defend the 'usual suspects" and nothing will remain out of your country.
1 likeWell said, crazy overreaction. Feel so bad for the pointless loss. Alcohol and firearms are never a good idea. I’m UK and guns are not something the general public own. I’m sure there’s more positives than negatives with gun ownership, but when it goes wrong it’s tragic.
0 likes@Ebon absolutely ignorant, look at the context of the situation. Don’t ignore racial issues because they make you uncomfortable. The more we face them head on, the less murders like this occurs
0 likesTwist: music made him do it
0 likes@Ebon because without racism the left has nothing to push on.
0 likesIn the industry, we call this projection
0 likesThug music is not black music. Thug music is music that glorified crime. To say it is black music is racist. All colors commit crime. Thug music is the music that is blared 95% of the time or more. It is rude and disgusting. That obscene music is often blared around kids as it talks about sex, murder, money and other unbecoming things. This man is wrong, but the kids also should be respectful
0 likes@Ebon they are never called thugs when they are not black. Its usually "troubled teen" (school shooter), "misguided youth" white gang member. But if a black person exists its "thug". So yes the word is racially charged. When it comes to other races there are other terms for them as well by the white media. Look into how the media manipulates people to hate other groups through the language they use
0 likes@P facts. As soon as I heard her say that he hated that "thug" music. I knew what he meant. And that's honestly if he even said "thug". He may really said the N word but she cleaned it up.
0 likesthe thug music brainwashed him to do it, he wasn't used to it
0 likes@P 💯💯💯
0 likesKids btw
0 likesRelatable
0 likes@Ebon Except one group of people disproportionately produces them.
0 likes@Sew Me Genetics absolutely matter. These fools are ridiculous.
0 likes@Ebon Are you seriously acting like there's no difference between races? Seriously?
0 likes@Ebon How do you believe culture arises? Explain.
0 likes@Callum Lambkin Explain why being "racist" is bad.
0 likes@sognodiangeli Ancedotes aren't valid information. Sorry.
0 likes@Don't drink the Kool-Aid
0 likesCare to elaborate, it’s a year old comment..
@sognodiangeli Your argument of "Oh meet my friends and you'd think differently" is an awful one. Anecdotal evidence is weak.
1 like@Ebon because when news outlets use the word ‘thug’, they ONLY use it to describe a certain group of people.
0 likes@JHamm they ONLY attack rap music. they don’t attack rock music as much at all.
0 likes@Ebon the copium of this man is incredible, in absolute denial of who calls who a thug 90% of the time
0 likes@Ebon okay but this was very clearly racially motivated, stop deflecting
0 likes@TheTruth dunn literally provoked them first.. you can’t seriously be trying to justify firing 10 shots off into a car full of unarmed teens because you don’t like their music??
0 likes"I hate the way the Luftwaffe has bombed Coventry".
0 likesProceeds to bomb Berlin into oblivion.
You were sayin?
@Don't drink the Kool-Aid
0 likesWe’re in the comment section of a YouTube video, and not in court Sir. How else can one have insight, if not for personal experience?
What else would someone consider thug music? Who do folks generally call thugs? Bikers and black folks come on. everyone saying “everything isn’t about race” lives in a god damned bubble, or have never seen subtle racism before chill.
0 likes@Ebon Ask Mike Dunn, but there was obvious racial prejudice here. And you’re just ignorant to it, and that’s fine I guess but don’t go acting like this has nothing to do with race? What other genre do you hear people refer to as thug music or thugs?
0 likes@Ebon he wouldnt have called them thugs if they were white
0 likes@Carl Swenson Tucker, prolly.
0 likesNot even thugs would do what he did
0 likesHe needs to stop appropriating black culture
0 likes@JHamm Rap doesn't exclusively have these themes, while I understand you're referring to the mainstream term, acting like this is the entire genre [and songs with sexual degrading or negative overtones] are all inherently bad isn't really cool. These things aren't even propagated via rap music, rap music is used as an outlet by these people as much as any other genre is.
0 likes@Ebon dude if you can’t see how this guy was racist idek how to help you. It was blatantly obvious, he def wouldn’t have used that word to describe a bunch of white kids listening to the same kind of mysic
0 likes@DrGreen to be true to yourself xx to be honest Paige is the only ones I've exercised you can come see the boys to be true though
0 likes@Ebon while that is true, thug is applicable to behavior not a certain race, it is often used as a dog whistle, or subtle political language, to bring down African Americans or to portray them as violent criminals
0 likes@Ebon it’s like using the word “urban” an older white guy saw a car of black teenagers blasting rap music and the word “Thug” first came to mind. Pure hatred arose and he took a life. As someone of color I often try to give ppl the benefit of the doubt but if this wasn’t an act of racism idk what it lmao
0 likes💀
0 likes@Ebon no, thug is absolutely a racist dog whistle. Your defense of the term is why it's called a "dog whistle" it's meant to be covert
0 likes"I was trying to prevent a blind firing situation"
0 likesBy firing 10 times into a vehicle full of children
@TheTruth what a disgusting take. "kids should be in moral fear that anyone around could kill them at any moment if they find them annoying."
0 likesI was thinking the same thing.
0 likesIt's like he's surprised they're not gang bangers. Like you wouldn't be able to tell by looking at the young men. Nothing about their appearance or demeanor screamed thug. He is the racist thug. People need to be reprogrammed
0 likesAnd then leaving the scene🤦♂️ the irony of it all
0 likesFR
0 likes@Death Morphosis fr
0 likesThat’s why he hated the music, he was the real thug.
1 likeThe funny thing about racist is they don’t see irony
0 likesThose kids were arrested on three counts of burglary, they are thugs
0 likes@Ebon That being said....the Dunn’s of the world need to know that
0 likes@N Yeah that’s why he’s in jail and list his cushy job and fiancé
0 likes@Harden Laird you are sick in the head if you think any reasonable human is going to be respectful to a guy who murdered a teenager.
0 likes@Bill Wilson just mind your own business until you’ve bought what you want.
0 likesAmen
0 likes😂😂😂😂
0 likeswith a thug beretta 92fs..
0 likes@Bill Wilson Just park your further away from the music. Just realize it's a gas station and not your house. Just learn to tolerate things you don't like. It's really that simple.
0 likes@nolanone: Just treat people with kindness and respect. It's really that simple.
0 likesThis guy played out a whole action movie in his mind
6 likesJCS we need more videos. There are only 17 videos. You're so good at these videos. We need more. Please 🙏
7 likesso so so so sad hearing abt how they were just hanging out listening to some music and dancing and it just makes me so sad. just some people trying to enjoy life in this dystopia and theyre shot at with a gun. i cant even believe it. RIP and i hope the survivors can move on and still find enjoyment in life and music man its just such a bummer 😞 RIP
1 likeWhat I am trying to wrap my head around watching these documentaries is how everyday Joe’s turn into killers over inconvenienced situations. Situations don’t always go your way and peoples reactions are not always in your favor. Grow up.
1 likeI swear I can’t stop watching these. If Netflix documentaries had a comment section I would officially never leave my house.
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FELT THIS SIS
368 likesI swear all of a sudden, boom, im interested in these videos
174 likesA Netflix comments section would be dead AF
188 likesOmg I'm addicted too!!!! Last night I watched like 5! Wth!
71 likessame
5 likesJim C Swim still has a patreon with about 20 similar videos. Ive resubscribed just to binge watch them all again.
16 likesMe too, I think it's my 7th in a row
20 likesI just discovered this channel... this is my 3rd episode
32 likes@mad sus Same here. I've never been interested in true crime stories, but it seems like I've fallen into the JCS rabbit hole, and I can't get out. And for some strange reason, I have a craving for a Coke and a Butterfinger!
79 likesYes and no. If they had a comment section I probably wouldn’t have wasted as much time watching bullshit that repeats itself every season :)
12 likesLol
1 likeDamn girl you need to broaden your horizons 🤦♂️
4 likesI mean, given COVID-19 spikes, never leaving is kind of ideal...
11 likesNetflix used to! Then they removed it 😕
4 likesNetflix comments section what a great idea
9 likesI’d definitely binge watch with you haha
5 likesDON'T GIVE THEM ANY IDEAS
5 likesI thought the exact same thing when watching American Murder: The Family Next Door, “I wish this had a comment section”
5 likesIt's very addictive 😂
4 likesSame. 🙌🏽
5 likesI’m also addicted to ID. (Investigation Discovery)
Don’t give them any ideas!
3 likesIv been hooked on these for the last few days. Obsessed
6 likesThey do have a doc section. Click on movie and genre and you will see all the options. They have a lot of great documentaries on crimes.
2 likesI know I always look for the comment section on netflix but it doesn't exist
0 likes“Officially”
1 likeSame
2 likesThey're brilliant, been binging on them the last few days while working
3 likesSAME! So fascinating 😳
4 likesI'm addicted to this too
3 likessame
1 likeUr momma paying u right?
0 likesAnd this is free. So no monthly payment.
2 likesWow I was just thinking that after watching Netflix I tried to scroll down to read comments like I was on YouTube. Lol 😆 On another note I hate it after I watch a YT video only to find out they disabled the comment section. Pretty sure I lose a little of my soul every time I come across this awful setting. Don't disabled the voices!...Wow rant over.
5 likesI'm addicted to JCS this channel is gold for your mind.
🤣🤣🤣 You should win some type of award for this comment. Respek
3 likesI do remember this tho. I'm from North Florida, and was living in Jacksonville at the time. What a senseless incident. So sad
2 likesSame here!
1 likeAlways be lookin for the comment section on Netflix too!
2 likesSame
1 likereddit has many real crimes sub for discussions
1 likeS A M E
1 likeThis isn't netflix
0 likesComments are always better then the video.. I almost cant watch tv cause I want to know what other people think of it more them watching it myself
6 likes@FREEDOMCANADA thats what twitter and reddit is for
3 likesTheres the forensic files collections, if you wanna give it a try.
4 likeslet's netflix & chill sometime.
2 likestOO REAL
1 likeReeeeeeelatable 100%👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻
3 likesWe in the same boat 🚢
1 likeWell, corona and all, you're probably not leaving much haha
1 likeDitto!!
1 like@Lisa Bowers ahahaha
2 likesI already don't
1 likeSame with me, totally addicted.....!
2 likesYou used to be able to post reviews but Netflix got rid of that feature
3 likesLiterally, same. Lol!
2 likesOmg I’ve been wanting a comment section on Netflix too!
2 likesThey’ll never have a comment section. They don’t like it when people call them out or “notice”. That’s why they took off reviews in 2017
3 likes@AdolphHipster call them out or notice about what?
0 likesNope. Netflix would bloat this hour into six hour long episodes.
1 like@1966 Anything you don’t have to watch buddy
0 likesRemember in the beginning of Netflix when you use to be able to leave reviews under shows on Netflix and they scraped it because it was all swear words and sex references 😄
1 likeOh yes netflix needs comments...
1 likeTrue!
1 likeOmg same could u get your Instagram?
1 likeAfter Cuties, Im over netflix.
1 likeI have binged 10 hours of this channel!!!
3 likesAre you sure it’s not because you’re 400 pounds
0 likesSame, it’s on my iPad and I fell asleep, the playlist was on this channel, my husband asking me next day “is everything ok? Something bothers you? We can get out of town for a weekend’ I asked him what’s going on, he replied with “3 videos where about women killing their husbands. Just checking , didn’t know if you were getting some ideas or just enjoyed watching this type of videos “🤦♀️
3 likesMeh, documentaries are boring. So linear.
0 likesSAMEEEEEEE
1 likeThese are a lot better than those netflix docs, except for Night Stalker, that was cool. Other's not so much
2 likesAmy Schumer will not allow ratings, she definitely won't allow comments!
1 like🤣🤣🤣 I agree
1 likeDown the Rabbit hole I go
1 likeReddit is the comment section for everything on Netflix and most other things on the internet.
0 likes😂
1 likeSAME BRO HAHAHAHA
1 like@Lisa Bowers oh my gosh😭😂😂😂
2 likes@Lisa Bowers underated comments
0 likesSeriously! can someone from Netflix read this and let us add comments cuz I read the comments while I watch these, it’s part of my viewing
2 likesYea dudes legit..
1 likebruh i felt this a little too much
0 likesRight! Netflix totally should!
1 likeI don't have netflix and never leave the house so gg
1 like@Matthew Vaughan They used to have a comment section, but it was shut down a few years ago when one big star (I can't remember who) complained about people posting too many unjustifiably negative comments on her movie.
2 likes🤣🤣🤣
1 likeComment sections are so toxic
0 likesthat would change the game lol
1 likeexcept to walk the dog
1 likeI couldn’t agree more.
1 likeBruh literally over half of the entire video is just investigation footage and the other about 10% is his commentary if you’re so interested it’s not impossible to find this stuff online
1 likeforensic files!
0 likes@Matthew Vaughan there was before I remember. Or it was only for rating maybe...
0 likes@Leslie I am addicted to but it would be better if he put english subtiles. As a french it's sometime hard to understand everything for me just by hearing because sometime we don't hear so much
0 likes@j101s I am addict to "creepy encounter" and one more on reddit but forgot the second. There is a long time. I read it for hours...
0 likes@AdolphHipster so I was right, there was a review section ! 2017, oh already !
0 likes@Marina Keller funny 😂🤣🤣 he must fear of you !
0 likes@Mylena zvezta welll, he is a marine , 6’1 240 pounds, I am 5’7 and 115 pounds. But at the end of the day, what I say goes ;)))))) at least I think that it does 😜
0 likesI felt this. Never ever leave. 😂😂
1 like🤣
1 likeI am so addicted
1 likeSame Gurl! 🤩🤩💯💣💥
1 likeYou speak my words, lol!! 🤣 Girl, I totally feel you! 🙌
1 likeMa'am you keep saying that you didn't pay your rent because you lost your job because you stopped leaving your house because you are watching psychology videos? Does that sound like a good excuse to you?
0 likesDamn that sucks
0 likesright the comments make the video so much better.
0 likes@Marvin Na that one Ted Bundy documentary falling for a killer was pretty good.
0 likesSeriously. You just hit the nail on the head.
0 likesYou just gave Netflix a Billion dollar Idea !
0 likesMe too
0 likesFucking same. This is the only thing that gets me through my 16 hr shifts
0 likesTHIS COMMENT WHEW
0 likesLol same. Every time I watch a true crime on Netflix I always want to comment and point things out.
0 likesExcuse me but.. what is the difference between Netflix and Youtube? I guess having all those documentaries on Youtube... for free... by people and not huge companies that ruin movies and documentaries and shows, a comment section.. why ON EARTH would you want to have it on a streaming site if you can bingewatch it here? I dont get this Netflix generation. (which is kind of also my generation and that makes me feel sad)
0 likesA YOUTUBE comment section tho, cos facebook and instagram comment sections suck.
0 likesIm almost done with all of them ... hopefully he does more bcuz im addicted and im a guy who never watches the news
0 likesSad, worthless life.
0 likesIt’s better that way
0 likesImagine ruining your life and taking another for such a stupid reason. Game over for this stupid man.
0 likesRIP to that poor kid.
The man was going for an Oscar with the court scene. His testimony in court seems like a completely different case as the interrogation.
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Well it didn't help him. But they rehearse like crazy with their lawyers for this, should they insist on taking the stand, which he probably had to do given his initial blabbing but is not generally recommended.
0 likesthe way he says "that sucks" when they tell him he's being charged for murder is insane to me.
1 likethe disturbing aspect is how many lawyers have successfully gotten their clients off the hook by telling them how to act for the jury 👀
1 likeI feel so bad for Rhonda, and I respect her massively for her integrity. Refusing to lie for the man she loved because it was the right thing to do.
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You feel so bad for Rhonda?...what about the murder victim and the ones who almost died?
5 likes@Derrick Harris ... you know you can feel bad for multiple people at once right? without explicitly saying that you do?
124 likes@Virral love this response lOL
16 likes@Virral 😂👌
7 likes@Virral 9/11 was America's fault.
6 likes@Virral Rhonda was the least affected from this situation, typical white person, totally forgetting a mother and father lost a son , and a group of young black boys had to watch their friend get murdered , but let’s feel sorry for the white lady , who went back to the hotel with the killer to eat pizza
1 like@Fresh prince of London Ss ah yes she should have abandoned her family, tracked down the victims and revived the dead
23 likesYoure either an impersonator or I used to follow you on tumblr for years! Woah, if it's you just know your blog was awesome and if not my apologies ☺
2 likes@bronyamorgan lol yea that's me. i know who you are. hey :)
3 likes@Virral you do?? I hope you're sure about that. I don't even remember my own tumblr name. I hope you're doing good, wow what are the chances I found you In the comments on the same vids im watching like this! Fate ☺ you're super cool, keep being you. Thanks for inspiring my evangelion addiction and love for asuka 😋
2 likesYes i feel respect for her. She looked complacent and so nervous all the time i assumed she'd be the type to defend her fiance by instinct or say she doesn't remember but she was all honest and understood mike was a f*cked up idiot
3 likes@Bb if only more people could see that to be the actual truth but you don’t know. Unless you do your own research
0 likes@bronyamorgan do you have twitter?
1 like@Virral yeah, was following you : ^ )
0 likesI am a psycopath and I read in TV Guide that a psycopath does not feel sorry for everyone, so I do not feel bad at all.
0 likes@Martin Zanichelli what?
0 likes@Martin Zanichelli you let a TV guide dictate your psychotic tendencies?
1 like@Martin Zanichelli lmao, you would start crying as soon as you get into a fight.
1 likeI believe he was legitimately crying because he was sad that he wasn’t around Charlie and Rhonda, he just misdirected those emotions for his story.
1 likeSmart move getting a black detective in there. You can see the dynamic playing out well. Gave me chills the way he said "two handed" 29:35 and shot his hands up.
0 likes"another car of thugs" doesn't make me think he feels horrible for his crime, nor feel bad about it. It makes me think he feels justified in doing what he did.
1 like"the last thing I'm looking for is trouble" said the man who shot a car full of teenagers 10 times because of some loud music
8 likesThat last clip of his testimony around 54:00 makes me so mad because you can just tell that he fully, completely expected Rhonda to lie for him about how he callously murdered that boy. That she could just completely shunt aside her humanity like he has and just pretend like that poor kid had to die that night.
1154 likesThank god she has a fuckin' heart. You can see on her face she knows someone's baby was murdered and that her fiance didn't think twice about it.
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Well said!
16 likesYeah but the police probably told her if she wasn't completely truthful she can probably be charged with accessory to murder cuz she was with him and left the scene with them and they did not call the cops neither did she. Because if you think about it she has a cell phone too and she had all all duty to call police on the spot also cuz now she's a witness, they probably told her that if she's not one hundred percent truthful that she might be charged with being a part of the kids murder
10 likes@James Broomfield Woah! It’s almost as if you called the cops on a KNOWN ABUSER WITH A GUN right in front of him, things might not go good!
63 likes@James Broomfield true , I was kind of buying it when she got in the car before an explanation of what happened it her confusion, but when she saw on the news that someone died and said "we need to go home". I was like home??? You can't go home..
2 likes@Sally H. I think she said that because you know where everything is at your home town including police station etc. and that if they saw their license plate that they'll probably know where they live and would get suspicious if they weren't home.
5 likesAt least that's what I thought but honestly Idk. I'm just making assumptions.
She should date a black guy for that.. Then visit him with her new man
1 like@Rosmarinstimme He left her alone for several hours after they got back home, and yet she still didn't call the police. Soooo....yeah, abused woman terrified of retribution? I don't think so.
2 likesAlso, she was legally obligated to testify, they weren't married so spousal privilege doesn't apply. It was this, or get arrested for perjury. You don't get brownie points for doing the bare minimum of basic human decency, especially if it's done only after you've exhausted every other option.
@James Broomfield to be fair, he told her that he shot at the car and didn’t hurt anyone and i guess she had no reason not to believe him at the time. she didn’t know anyone died until she watched the news, and was probably thinking “we shouldn’t be sitting here at this hotel, we need to go home so we can talk to the police”
12 likesif i were her i wouldn’t want to call and talk to anyone about what happened when i’m still vulnerable to this guy with a GUN who just shot at and killed a boy over music. if she said, “you need to turn yourself in” or “let’s go to the police” he probably would’ve killed her too. she was trying to appease him and keep him calm for the sake of her own life, too.
@Arianna Diamond THANK YOU! There’s so much to this that the commenters above refuse to acknowledge. I can only imagine the million racing thoughts she was having those first 12 hours. It isn’t so black and white as people make it out to be.
2 likesI don't understand how these people can kill someone and later say "I don't want to go to jail" or "I don't want to lose my freedom" they should of thought about that before doing what they did.
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😂👍
0 likesThat Poor woman.....She is courageous for telling the truth .
0 likesThat poor man that lost his life at such a young age for literally no logical reason...rest in peace.
Stop messing with this channel! It helps me sleep!
6 likesI think a part of her love for him probably died when he did what he did. I don't think she can look at him the same way anymore.
0 likesi cant imagine how awful this poor boy's family must have felt to learn that their SEVENTEEN YEAR OLD was killed over loud music.
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@A23 huh ?
3 likesI think that the mother of the murdered boy was just elected to Congress! Good for her!
62 likes@Mikaila Cook Lucy McBath, representative for Georgia's 6th District since 2019.
61 likesmore like racism and loud music
80 likesIt was a racist attack
46 likesVery sad. As I've got older, I definitely stopped getting angry over shit while driving. Never been in this situation but road rage etc. It's not worth it, you never know what a stranger is capable of or how they'll react. Not all blaming the kids. Not at all. I don't know if they actually said shit to him or not, altho I'm sure he's exaggerating what they said. But it's best to just ignore people or leave when possible because there's a lot of nuts like this out there. Especially in stand your ground states where people think they can get away with this and often do.
12 likesthe kid deserve it, shouldn't be a tough guy and disturbing other with their thug music
7 likesThen the'll shoul tough him better
0 likesDont worry, they're used to people they know being shot and killed.
4 likesLets just completely ignore the last three responses under here because theyre blatantly racist and disgusting and the commenters obviously dont have enough braincells to be reasoned with, so Ill just say I could never imagine that feeling. This vile old man nearly killed four teenagers over MUSIC, like Jesus Christ I couldnt even begin to think about the lasting trauma to the other kids over something so simple
48 likes@Yuh yuh ignore him bro. He just a troll who wants to get a reaction out of people. Best to just ignore him and make him irrelevant.
40 likes@swtrooper42 oh wow! that’s really good to hear
1 like@Mikaila Cook state congress but nonetheless impressive
2 likes@Blackout HQ just turn your music down ffs
4 likesDunn doing god's work
3 likesI can understand people being upset over music. Personally speaking, I have tinnitus and loud noises annoy the absolute fuck out of me. Enrage me even. For some random dude to shoot a kid over it, especially without a legitimate reason or disability to lean on other then loud music, is very, very disappointing.
7 likes@Douglas Huffstetler no. Just mind your own business and get what you need at the gas station.
5 likesHe was killed because he was black and a racist angry white man was mildly inconvenienced by his presence.
9 likes@Ebin Friend just stop
1 likeCan you imagine if this never happened and this guy had his own kids one day...."turn that music down" and a rebellious teen saying no. What might this violent man have done to his own kids. IF you have that kind of nature as he did, it would come out somewhere else down the line
1 likeyou say seventeen year old as if you are saying two year old
2 likesIkr. It must be horrible and I hope they are doing as close to ok as they can.
0 likes@Content Ganja I hope that is sarcasm. Noise pollution isn't equal to murder. Noise pollution is a fine and maybe jail and not the death penalty for a reason.
1 like@Marie Bee I doubt that. The mom is a congress woman now. They were kids not gang bangers. No past crimes or anything.
1 like@Ebin Friend because of music? Get help.
1 like@taliwakka27 still a kid and it was over music.
1 like@Yuh yuh don't pay him attention brotha he's a troll he's miserable. He'll rot from the inside. Be safe 💯
1 likeRidiculous
0 likes@Marie Bee by other people of their own group mostly
0 likes@Surripere "white rage"?
0 likesNot loud music. Racism that would be more accurate. The murderer just needed an excuse
1 likeHe calls the people in prison "animals" yet he did the exact same thing alot of them are in there for
1 likeThis is super heartbreaking. Because they were literal teenagers enjoying music, maybe it was too loud but it’s literally harmless in the long run. So for this racist dude to get so triggered by it to shoot at them just shows how much hatred he harbored in his heart prior
0 likesThis is really a hard one to watch..
5 likesthe dude very clearly believes he was in on some normative social exceptionalism - quite literally his defensive strategy was to repeat
" I was afraid of black children who wouldn't do what I told them with no back-sass "
+ it's very clear he expected the cops to agree with that take, & to a dude his age, with the lead poisoning and all the media here, you can start to see why he might think that ...
He was waiting for the fellas to pat him on the back & tell him how cool and brave he was for projecting & enforcing white supremacy - even on the witness stand
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Lmao if only this had taken place in the 50's. Or today in a small Texas town.
1 like"i hate that thug music"
5 likesproceeds to shoot at a car for basically no reason
"..I'm being charged with murder and attempted murder..that sucks."
2022 likesThis guy really doesn't give a fuck that he killed that kid.
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Disgusting
27 likesI totally agree. Based on the nature of the crime the death penalty almost seems merciful.
16 likesBlack children aren’t children to some white people.
46 likes@Simmone Watts most defs white children aren't children to some white people either and Hispanic children are not children to some black, white, and other Hispanic people and Asian children are not children to some white, black, Hispanic and other Asian people and......ah well you get the idea sometimes it seems like the only thing humans have been able to consistently work together for about as long as written history and probably before also is hating each other
10 likes@Simmone Watts Black children aren’t children to some blacks people what’s your point?
6 likesMore like life
0 likes@anonymous that's not true We see kids as kids we don't even call 18 year olds adults because they aren't biologically. I'm 33 and have never viewed a teenage white, Hispanic, Asian or any other as an adult when they weren't
1 like@CornholioPuppetMaster death is letting them off bruh
1 like@King G Yes the brain is not fully developed til 22
2 likes@King G hmm maybe I misunderstood the OP I thought it was in reference to how some people view kids and adults as subhuman based on their race
0 likes@CornholioPuppetMaster that sounds more like iran then america
0 likesLots of those upper class folk are so fucking removed from reality.
0 likes@anonymous clearly you missed @bad bich colada williams point. She is saying that in america, there is this perception that regardless of how old a young black male may be 14, 15, 16, they are perceived as a inherently violent man, instead of an innocent child. See cases such as Tamir Rice and Trevon Martin, as just a few examples. Mr. Dunn knew they were children, because he said so himself... but he saw them as violent thugs and not worthy of living if they did not comply with his demands. This whole thing is an example of him activating his white privilege and protecting his male fragility.
6 likes@My Peep's damn i didn’t realize this
0 likes@My Peep's nor apologized or felt sorry. Mad man
0 likes@anonymous i agree, the overwhelming majority doesn't. However, i believe the last 4 years has shown us that far too many do. Additionally, a lot of work needs to be done. I think what's most frustrating is that people of color have been talking about this for eons. Many people of non-color would disregard it, minimize it, or flat out didn't believe these things are still happening. You might not realize it but the fact that you instinctively was moved to basically say there are many people in all races that don't see children as children is an example of you minimizing what was said... same with all lives matter slogans it's the same thing.
0 likes@Angela J yeah thats a very good point I can't speak for everyone but for me personally a lot of it comes from a combination of not feeling or thinking of myself as better or different than anyone else based on something as hollow as race or gender
0 likesOn top of that as much as I dislike things like that happening and the people that carry and spread that sort of ideology around I also can't ever truly understand (from a pure empathy perspective) what people on the other side of that go through and deal with
I also don't want to come across like any minor frustration I may have is relevant or significant in any way compared to anyone else
I suppose I just hate to feel like a part of all of that. I just kinda hate how it seems like the biggest and loudest assholes can be the ones that reach the most people
Sometimes it seems like it takes a thousand people to even attempt to counter one jackass that hurts or kills someone for something that stupid again im not trying to complain I know its absolutely nothing like what people who are victims in some way have to deal with but its still aggravating
@CornholioPuppetMaster have you considered the possibility that in fact they were innocent?
0 likes@King G So when someone turns 18 in your world, they automatically change colors, or what?
0 likesAt times, walking away is the best decision to do in your life! That would be the bravest to do!!! If either party did that, there would not be a tragedy!
0 likesThank you for making these amazing videos and providing them for free it makes my Saturday nights awesome
0 likesThis old man was probably getting roasted and got so angry he went into rage mode and just started shooting
3 likesRhonda immediately shut down his "being in there with them animals" remark in that phone call, and refused to play into his "I'm the victim` nonsense. You could tell just by her reaction on the phone that she didn't have the same views, and probably wouldn't be defending him in court.
0 likesSo, for those not too familiar with Jacksonville, Baymeadows is in an area of town full of old families. It’s widely considered one of the safest areas in town and a great place to raise a family. That SUVs full of gun wielding lunatics hang out at gas stations is ludicrous. These were just kids being kids.
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Yeah this is nowhere near downtown or any of the areas with trouble, it doesn't even LOOK sketch at all. Its one of the cleanest areast in Jacksonville.
75 likesEven if this did take place in a “dangerous” area, even if the guys in the suv were armed themselves, that’s still not an excuse to start a random confrontation or shoot at them for listening to loud music at a gas station.
142 likesI live here and gangs are in every part of town. You can not shoot until you see the weapon, unless you is a cop.
19 likesIf they threatened to kill 911 should have been called and he should have left.
@LostStarzOfTheSky facts. Jacksonville relative here also... And you all are correct the areas explaining are not violent places at all.. Definitely when compared to other areas in the city.. trust me I know lol
5 likesfr! this whole time, i'm over here thinking "wait... that's a nice part of town."
4 likesThey were prolly just some normal people gettin a blunt and some munchies, doin what most teens do. Then along came this rap hating lowkey racist.
45 likesIronically, the only gun wielding lunatic that night was Dunn, and he was an out-of-towner.
30 likes@心黒白 Baymeadows is a very nice area! I used to work for ClientLogic off of Baymeadows, that's where you go when you want a great paying job, sage neighborhoods and general caring people...mostly older! I used to leave my windows down in my car while I was at work. I'd never do that on the West side, where I lived!!
5 likes@Queen UshiriYah damn, that makes alot crazier than it already was, what a fkn racist.
7 likesThanks for sharing your experience of the area, now i know his reaction had 0 rational intent and was just pure evil
@心黒白 It doesn't make a difference if he was aware of the areas reputation or not. He opened fire on a car full of guys because he didn't like their music. Rhonda would have been five minutes, tops, buying a bottle of wine. If I can listen to ten minutes of country or polka without going postal, he can listen to five minutes of whatever they were playing without resorting to murder.
4 likes@AnonEyeMouse agree, dude's just fked up
1 likeAs a Jacksonville native I couldn’t agree more.. this man is so delusional even him lying to make himself looks better makes him look like a racist gun nut, this man wasn’t scared of shit and his retelling in such a calm manner is almost laughable. This poor child and family… and his poor friends in the car that saw this happen and had to testify, I’m sick thinking about it and hope they have found peace 🥺
3 likes@心黒白 He was exactly what he's been accused of...a Racist! I have 2 teenage Young Men and even though I can't be with them 24/7...they have had their fair share of racism living in Florida! They both are alive and can continue to pray that I never get "that call"! Pray for us and with us...we are doing the same! Peace and Blessings!
2 likes@Teena Jarvis I know right! This story literally was on the news for like a week! I remember being at work...crying so hard after they announced Young Jordan was only 17!! My Sons were 15 and 17 at the time!! I was so afraid to let them go out. I even took my car back and made both of my Sons take the bus for rest of the year! A Mother's fear...never leaves! Thank you!
1 likeIt just breaks my heart. I have a teenage son. This man is the devil.
1 likePoor Rhonda. My heart breaks for her
1 likeIm glad the cops didn't even entertain his bullshit they picked him apart real quick they pointed out every inconsistency my first thought was if your windows were up and the music was blasting how could you make out what they were saying literally nothing of his story made sense but that alone would be enough to know hes full of shit also not only was Rhonda honest she was an adversarial witness against dunn in the trial good on her
3 likesThese young men who happened to enjoy rap music saw their friend die. I feel awful for them, like unless you served in viet nam or any war really you shouldn’t have to go through that
0 likesMichael Dunn: They are violent thugs.
5 likesAlso Michael Dunn: (Acts like an actual thug)
I can really empathize with her because I had to testify in an abuse case, and my father (the defendant) had attempted to coach me before the trial. Although her bond to the defendant was much stronger, and the case more serious, I know that kind of terror. The fact that she told the truth, no matter how painful it was to say, shows that she is a wonderful person who deserves peace and happiness. One day, I hope she sees these comments, because should know hundreds if not thousands of people support her.
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I also really want to commend Jordan Davis’s friends. The same amount of support should go to them too.
48 likes@isabel lind Please, nothing is on her. She showed her true colors when testifying. She was probably both in shock and denial. She testified against him, no matter how hard it was. No reason to blame her for anything. Regardless, her calling the police wouldn't really change the outcome.
4 likesI admire your strength in testifying
4 likes@isabel lind I never called her å victim, I just think she deserves the benefit of the doubt. Could she have done something better? She didn't know if anyone even got hurt. You don't either know how you would react. She was obiviously fearful, he could be severly controlling for all we know. Anyways, she did the right thing MOST of the time. She came forward as soon as she realized how serious it was. He did the shooting, the driving, the lying, the victim blaming and everything. HE was in the wrong. She was at the wrong place at the wrong time with the wrong man, that is it. She helped this case. She cared more about the young man dying and justice, than she cared for her fiance's freedom. You don't know how you would react. She did NOTHING wrong.
6 likesI feel so bad for Rhonda, she seems like such a sweet lady
0 likesthe woman seems so sweet, I feel sorry for her too.
1 like"I can't shoot someone because in my mind they have a weapon" - A Cop
3 likeslol
"Ugh I hate that thug music" I'm sorry but I burst into laughter. Imagine that being enough for you to fire shots and kill someone. And then lie because you're in denial about the whole thing and say they threatened you when YOU indeed were the threat.
3 likesFor most of this video, we saw a bad person who did a bad thing trying to make himself look good. ......and At the very end, we saw a good person doing a good thing trying to make herself feel better. God bless that woman. She chose her soul.
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foreal, it's inspiring
9 likes🙏🏽
5 likesShe didn't do it to make herself feel better, but quite the opposite. She did it because she's a good honest person. It didn't make her feel better doing it
65 likes@Gary Enwards I would put all of your money on her doing the exact same thing if she was not under oath, she is a genuine good gentle woman. The reason she was emotional was because it was tough for her to through this ordeal, at the same time knowing that this person she still has strong feelings for will never walk free again.
13 likesThe reason Mike was with a woman like her was because he was always in full control. As soon as I saw him I knew he was a total prick, throughout the video he went on to prove my prejudgement of him was spot on.
Absolutely 👌🙏❤
2 likesI don't think she was feeling good at all, but she knew that the truth was the most important thing.
3 likes@Ross J MacGregor I totally agree with you, I think she hated having to accept that the man she had planned and dreamed about spending the rest of her life with was not the man she had thought
3 likes@May de Wilde Definitely not easy for her :(
1 likeJustice, and congrats on the spouse to tell the truth, even tho they were so in love to the point of tear dropping, jez that felt good to watch
0 likesThis is so damn sad, young life lost for absolutely no reason. RIP
0 likesHe keeps saying that he said “Thank you” like that makes him out to be the good guy.
1 likeEven if he’d kept his mouth shut, there is no self defense justification for shooting at the car as it’s driving away. He still would be guilty of second degree murder and be in prison for life.
1 likeBless the wife for dropping his story and saying the truth, she alone destroyed any story he could have made by telling the truth.
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Fiance*
4 likesI don't think she ever "held" his story in the first place
11 likesThese things happen
0 likes@Suzy Rottencrotch Huh??
0 likesI feel like she was so honest bc she’s a nurse & has probably seen needless loss of life & human suffering for no reason. He shot a child & left the scene immediately, she knew he was guilty.
7 likes@Suzy Rottencrotch I’m confused as to what the purpose of your comment is, are you trying to defend the murderer?
5 likes@renee Yes, from taking a look at her other comments, she is.
5 likesI honestly don’t think she ever had the idea of lying nor did he ever try to get her to lie for him. He probably assumed she would have for him, but luckily she naturally told the truth. Also did they ever get even a guess motive? Dunn said self defense but what was going on in his head? “Some teens playing music better kill them.”???
2 likes@renee I don’t think she’s defending him, just more so saying people are crazy and you never know who’s going to snap over the lightest things. Just my take on it at least :)
1 like@derainboI mean one of the witnesses said the last thing he said was “you’re not gonna fucking talk to me like that” before he shot so I think he just wasn’t taking back talk for black kids especially since even the other teens said the kid was slinging cuss words at him. Also all his neighbors said he was a hot head who liked to start shit with them cause he was a tough guy.
1 like@Skylar still isnt justification. Maybe if he minded his business in the first place, he never would have a confrontation with the kid in the first place. If he doesn't like cigarette smoke, and a guy is smoking, he's not just going to blast the guy cause he's smoking. There is zero justification for what he did.
2 likes@Jamal Sowell Dunn is where he belongs. The fiancé was probably in the convenience store for 10 minutes if that, it doesn’t take long to grab wine and chips. If he can’t deal with a minor nuisance for that long without resorting to murder, he should never be released
3 likes@SarahsCraftyCreation agreed. If he can't take someone cursing at him, I don't know how he made it this long in life before killing someone talking back to him.
1 likeGod the whole time im listening to her I just want her to stop, because she clearly is too scarred and bruised from this experience to really be fit for sitting up there... yet they made her do it anyways. God what an unfortunate situation.
0 likes@Chris Reimers fiancée
0 likes"I had friend in the military who taught me blah blah". Took out his inadequacies as a human, fantasised about being a bad ass and was itching for an excuse to validate his masculinity. Yay America.
0 likes23:43 love this bit detective stops him explaining cause I know know why cause it stops the suspect rest his mind and adds to anxiety and its subtly aggressive aswell I learn this from this uploader 👍
0 likes41:19 "the last thing I want is trouble"
2 likesBut the FIRST thing he wanted was to kill someone.
I hope it's the one I hit. Who says that.
man, his downfall is completely his own making. he not once told the love of his life of his concerns of them having a gun, he went outside to walk the dog unarmed, he didn't contact police or anyone regarding this and instead fled the scene. i think even had he lawyered up big time he wouldn't have gotten off the hook
0 likesrhonda's account truly unmade him and sealed his fate
According to his neighbour, Dunn was a controlling person who often came across as arrogant and his ex-wives would tell him of the domestic abuse they suffered although he never witnessed it himself. Just watching Rhonda, I get the feeling she's suffered similarly. She's terrified to even be up there to the point she can't tell left from right. The stare he gives when she says Dunn did not mention a shotgun at any point, effectively dismantling what little defence he had, says a lot.
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If that's the case then thankfully she's free now.
25 likes@Sara Carolina Indeed
6 likesProbably a bit of a gut check for her relationship standards. Hoping her next guy is far more settled
2 likesIf that’s all true, I’m so glad she told the truth and didn’t defend him out of fear.
2 likesSadly not surprising at all. Look at her hand shaking when she even went to sworn to tell the truth.
2 likesThere’s nothing like the beginning and watching who gets a picture of them in court and who has to have an old photo pulled. I already know what happens before I watch past the first few minutes.
0 likesThe take away from every single one of these videos: always take the 5th, only speak with an attorney present.
0 likesmasterful video journalism, whose imitators pale in comparison. i would like to see a JCS presentation on the criminal group psychology of US foreign policy over the last few decades.
0 likesWho was he to demand someone to turn their music down. All he had to do was get his gas ,drink, or whatever the heck he was buying that night and take his a$$ home. He had no right to kill someone because they did not comply to his irrelevant demands.
2 likesI feel for his wife so much.
649 likesYou can see the internal battle she is fighting within herself.
You can tell this is something she will always struggle with.
She is more remorseful then he is even when she is completely innocent and not knowing what her fiance would do.
She is a very honest honorable woman.
I hope she finds somebody who will treat her like the lady she is.
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I seriously think she was abused by him. You can believe the second I knew what he had done I'd be at the police station AFTER cussing him tf out but nah, she just goes to the room and then goes home after that! Wtf
43 likesI agree with you completely but my sympathy lies with the family of the young man who lost his life and those in the vehicle who will probably suffer emotionally from this for the rest of their lives.
49 likesshe did the right thing, both for her and the society, this will be haunting her for long time though
8 likesI think she’s happier without him, he seems like the controlling type
9 likesBroken Silence she was completely honest. He wasn’t
3 likesAll I see is polished poor-woman acting, rubbing her hands and trying to sound as weakly as possible, when in reality someone in this position is so overwhelmed by adrenaline that must be containing the urge to start jumping with all their might.
1 likeYou don’t think she sounds phoney?
4 likesmomster Not sure how it could be phoney considering she was inside the gas station and there's no way she could have foreseen or taken part in this weird random confrontation he randomly started... am I missing something here?
17 likes@a51mj12 hey look we have an expert over here
6 likes@liukangstoupee this was back in 2012 and the trial took place in 2014, he was sentenced to life plus 90
3 likes@cala lily however she sounds, she's at least honest about the situation, and many people in her position would have been less than helpful or honest. We can maybe question her choice in men, but there's not really any point in picking apart her demeanor, her words are what's important here.
9 likesYes!!! She was absolutely breaking my heart. And in the beginning, with the prison phone call, she literally says "I don't think we should talk about it anymore" and he just continues right on talking about it on a recorded line like a moron. Right then I knew we were dealing with a real piece of shit.
6 likesThey aren’t married. It was already mentioned that they were engaged, not married
6 likesShe's so "honest and honorable" she rides home with him in relative silence and doesn't call the police or let any authorities know about what just happened.
1 likeShe's no more honest than him.
According to the Wikipedia article, a neighbour said that he was supposed to have beat his first wife (although the neighbour never actually witnessed it 1st hand)
4 likes@Robert D That's exactly what I expect of the likes of him. And she gives off that mousy vibe. That's why she got in the car when he told her to and didn't ask any questions.
3 likesI think she knew her husband had a temper for sure.
0 likesPretty ridiculous he let his fiancé go in the store to buy stuff when he’s the man and he should done that, especially when she was wearing heels and wedding casual attire. That would have avoided the whole situation for him.
3 likesPart of the problem is the access to guns these muppets have. He’s had a few drinks and gets into an altercation which ends with him firing his gun. It’s like the other guy who shot the man who pushed him over …there’s no restraint they just go for the weapon and use lethal force. Just have a scrap or a push and a shove and then get back on with your day! Why must they draw their weapon and take a life?? Madness
4 likes"Two handed takes longer - more time to think"... Most interjections are good but that one was just stupid. Anyone who owns a gun should use two hands. That's what you automatically want to do when holding a hand gun. At least in my experience. (Shoot with my cousin's step-dad, and shot some pistol during my 'manditory military training' but we mostly used rifles).
0 likes'They attacked me' says man who shot at several young adults from in their car because one of them might have a stick and it scared his gun
3 likesImagine killing someone's son after watching your own get married.
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Thats a very profound statement. Impressive
249 likesThis made me actually say "woah."
97 likes@Skye Michael Does your mother know you've travelled back to 2006 to comment that?
268 likesimagine killing some kid over loud music....
117 likesImagine being such a boomer, that you shoot a kid for playing loud music.
134 likesExactly evil man
12 likesFeb 21, 2020.
2 likesOk, now what?
2 likes@Zelchi didn’t they pull out after he started shooting? And he still shot at the moving vehicle. If he truly felt scared, he would’ve let the vehicle go and be glad that the danger is gone, he just needed to wait for his fiancé and book it. But, no, he wasn’t scared. He was a white man who felt threatened by a black teenager playing “thug music” and decided killing him was the only solution.
25 likes@e g i know what im saying is his lies sound like the truth they r that good
1 like@Venetta Vogel but im friends with pathological liars who believe themselves and i always know they r lying. Maybe its cause it was such a serious situation
0 likesYeah but he’s the victim, he might be the victor, but he’s the victim too!
1 like@Skye Michael wow ur so very funny great comment 😁
9 likesEveryone is someone's son. This statement sounds profound but means nothing in reality
6 likesNot defending the man in any way, just commenting on this specific comment
@João Rebocho OaW I completely agree that every man is someones son. What I mean by my comment is that he believed that he had the right to take away a kids life but his own will go on to get married and live a full one. It's more-so about privilege.
12 likes@Pika ChuChu the man's insane. What I mean is that nothing in this situation would cause him to make such a connection since they were grown men and weren't accompanied by their parents. Either way, you were right, your comment makes sense given they should be about the same age as his son. I just feel it's a forceful connection to be making
1 like@João Rebocho OaW People with privilege usually don't make those connections. I definitely wouldn't have expected him to make it.
3 likes@Pika ChuChu no one did. Hence why people were believing his story
0 likes@João Rebocho OaW I mean.. He was incarcerated because people didn't believe him.
3 likes@Pika ChuChu you probably do not know, but opinions were incredibly divided when this was news.
2 likesdamn. never heard it put this way.
3 likesThey used to do that all the time...
0 likes@Skye Michael Makes you want to hug him in sympathy and support. Lol
0 likes@João Rebocho OaW It's just a way of looking at the situation. Putting those to facts together is a way to think of it we did not all put together that way.
0 likes@Pika ChuChu And evidence and his own mouth.
0 likes@João Rebocho OaW Is that true? You listen to this guy for 2 minutes and it is impossible to not know he is lying. Well, I think so. He's a terrible liar. And shooting people in the back...I mean...really there was a big division on this case? I wonder if it was racism or the way it was portrayed in the media. Both I guess.
4 likes@Addie Alexander trust me. We always feel like the truth is easy to grasp after we already know it. If you weren't watching this video already aware of the events it's very likely you'd have a harder time coming to a conclusion
1 like@João Rebocho OaW To an extent I agree why there would be confusion. If we didn't see the interrogation and we just saw the CCTV footage of the shooting, I think there would be very little room for doubt about whether he was right or wrong. The boys try to drive away and Michael Dunn carries on shooting. 10 shots in 3 and a half minutes. In my opinion, 3.5 minutes is a long time in this situation. In those 3.5 minutes not a single shot is fired back so I would fail to justify the 10 bullets fired into a reversing car. Seems like overkill to me.
2 likesDam
2 likesThat’s deep
3 likesVery poignant.
2 likesWow
2 likesI mean, any man you kill will have been someone's son, so the scenario boils down to "imagine killing a man after your son gets married".
1 like@Nyah Senai Bacon boils down to "slaughtered sliced cured pig", but some things just sound better 🙄.
2 likes@Nyah Senai they were around the same age, so no
0 likes@Nyah Senai Michael Dunn killed a 17 year old kid. The sentiment is about his privilege allowing him to think that someone else's kid is less important than his own.
2 likesyou've never seen a hood wedding
0 likesIt is worth noting that he was previously estranged from the son who gone married. IMO, that should be indicative of his character, obviously in addition to killing a teenager
1 like@Max David You make a really interesting point. The guy definitely had issues.
0 likesWithout empathy that's not a problem.
0 likesI don’t have a son
0 likesImagine being a racist
0 likes@Sour Pickle why
0 likes@chris bean Cuz it's bad
0 likes@Sour Pickle well then why would you want us to imagine it
0 likes@chris bean I was quoting the original comment. As in like imagine being this racist that he killed a black guy only bc of hatred and the loud music, thug music bs is just an excuse.
0 likesRuined sons weddind day as well
0 likes@Zelchi 1. why are you friends with pathological liars 2. his lies aren't convincing at all, you're just gullible 😕
1 like@fabbi1. im not friends with them, i hung out with them alot, in our village. 2. His lies are not convincing to u, because u know they are lies lol. How can u make such a statement? Such a 0 thought statement.
0 likes@Lexi M.G. same for u.
0 likesDamn tht hit diff
1 likeDamn. That's fucking deep. Didn't even think about it like that... faaawwk. Now that kids dad will never see his son get married🥶
1 like@Pika ChuChu
0 likesI'm thinking that " gay" is a " Flickted' statement. lol
Happens all the time in the hud. Life for a Life blood for blood
0 likesDamn...
0 likesConan the barbarian survival of the fittest alpha chad type stuff
0 likesIt happens.
0 likes@Jake Yates you misspelled racist.
0 likesImagine threatening a man's life because he asked you to turn your music down, and then acting surprised when he defends himself.. And then omitting in court that you threatened him and allowing him to spend the rest of his life in prison because of your omission of truth. 🤦
1 like@Pika ChuChu If I see the word "privilege" again I'm going to vomit 🤢🤦
1 likeSo true 😲😢😭
0 likes@Palahume lol why you so quick to defend this murderer?
0 likes@Burned Edits "So quick"? 🤔
0 likes@Palahume I doubt you would comment the same thing if it were 4 white teen boys shot by a black man.
0 likes@Burned Edits I would, easily. If the circumstances were the exact same, and the man presented the same explanation in court, than I wouldn't even think twice to draw the same conclusion.
1 like@Burned Edits No. I'm including things said in court and during interrogation. I'd still feel the same way. You're reaching so hard saying the guy merely wanted to kill black teens. I'm very certain that was not the case. 🤦
0 likes@Palahume the dude referred to these kids as "thugs" and "animals". If you can't see the very blatant dogwhistling you're just oblivious.
0 likesThere is a reason he was sentenced guilty.
Horrible
0 likes@Palahume Imagine shooting and killing a kid over some music and then acting surprised when you have to spend the rest of your life in prison because you took someone's life. 🤦♀️
0 likes@Palahume #Privilege !
0 likes@Pika ChuChu I can't imagine that because that's not what happened in this case.. It wasn't over "some music". It was over his life being threatened...lmfao 🤦
0 likes@Pika ChuChu Yes, black privilege in this case... Since the courts took their word for it over his. 🤔
0 likes@Palahume Threatening a life and taking a life - two very different things. I've never had to kill someone because I felt threatened. If the kids in the car had a gun or a weapon, they would have used it as soon as Michael Dunn fired his shots. But they didn't. So who was the real threat?
0 likes@Pika ChuChu I wouldn't have shot at them either. I agree, he did take it too far. However, I'd be willing to bet that those kids really did threaten him.
1 like@Palahume They probably did! If the tables were turned and the boys shot Michael Dunn, they would all have gone down for it too, regardless of threat or not.
0 likesUm, r-strategy offspring aren't the same thing as K-strategy children. Don't even attempt to equate the two.
0 likesWoah
1 likeVery cool,very edgy comment
1 likeAnd then calling him a "son of a bitch" in court with his mother sitting in the same room.
2 likes@Palahume If he had felt threatened he should have called police. Instead he went back to his hotel, walked his dog and seemed to be very calm. Not the actions of someone who feels scared or victimized and that's why he's guilty and vile af
0 likes@Zelchi He is not believable at all 🙄
1 likeThis one... holy shit
1 like@Pika ChuChu 2006 Xbox Live 😋
0 likes@Pika ChuChu I’m not disagreeing with the point you’ve made, however I believe the entire event — from the perpetrator pulling into the spot to him and his fiancé leaving — was three and a half minutes, while the actual shooting was six or seven seconds at most. (With a four second gap between the first six shots and the final four, as well.)
1 likeIt’s that last part that’s incredibly damning in my eyes: by that point while he pauses the Durango is executing a quick J-turn and then he resumes firing at the REAR of the SUV as it’s speeding AWAY from him….
Ok, that packed a bit of a punch. Wish this guy had had thought something along those lines himself that night.
1 likeHe doesn't think of those black kids as human in the same way as his son.
1 like"i cant shoot someone because in my mind they had a weapon" wish more cops understood that
0 likesThere are millions of psycho/sociopaths out there. If you would put them in a compromising situation where they had their ego contested, they too would be in a courtroom, fighting for their freedom.
1 likeHe was finished after that second "volley" of shots. He had very little chance after the first set. Precisely the problem with everybody and their brothers able to walk around like the wild, wild West. Change my mind.
0 likesso many comments about how everyone feels bad for Rhonda, and none about the boy who died…
2 likes“Your car’s not shooting at them, you are.” Perfect statement by the interrogator
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And impressive in how immediate the statement was. Such a great job he did, kudos to him
12 likesI read this comment right as he said it
1 like"what was the purpose of that?"
8 likes"to save my life"
"from the door?"
That poor young man and his family. What an arrogant manipulative POS. I hope his finance can move on. She did the right thing. Bless all that did.🙏
1 likeEvery so often I watch this and I hope this guy is having a nightmare in prison
2 likesHe annoys me so much
Rhonda was probably unconsciously relieved to be away from him. With her being meek and her mild, he probably bullied her all the time. GOOD RIDDANCE
2 likesKeep this channel going it's 2 fire 🔥 🔥
3 likesMichael: “I was shooting at the door”
4190 likesOfficer: “What was the purpose of that?”
Michael: “To save my life”
Officer: “From the door?”
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😂
28 likes😂
14 likesWell done
13 likesSeriously. When the car is leaving, like... Stop shooting. You're not a cop. You're not performing a citizen's arrest. Nobody is shooting at you. Don't recklessly and vengefully empty your clip. Ugh if these people had to wield a knife instead, you'd see much smarter fighters. One of the reasons I'm annoyed by guns in the hands of amateurs.
113 likesChad K What was Dunn talking about?
3 likes@Chad K but don't forget, by that point they'd also been talking about that there was no weapon and that he was already starting to go into overkill while the vehicle backed up; hitting the front passenger door as well, and nearly getting the driver in the head too. Like, he can't SEE what he's shooting, so I think the Cop wanted to try to get some humility from Dunn. I know they were trying to make him feel like a weisel, but he had ALSO fled scene & didn't get in touch with cops right away. And he ALSO didn't have an attorney present. Dunn asked for it. Dunn's one of those people who are cowards with lead. Right to bear arms, sure. But he pretty much did it all wrong. Trigger happy jerk.
29 likes👏
2 likes@Flusterette adrinalin is one hell of a drug even trained cops who thought they shot 4 shots each actually shot 14 and 18 times respectively because of all the adrenalin
2 likeslol
0 likes"So I shot 4 more times"
8 likes"When they were fleeing?"
"Yeah. And they had their heads down trying to protect themselves from the severe threat that I was presenting"
"I'm the victim here".
Chad K Dude you can if he’s lying, what’s he’s saying wasn’t making sense therefor they played along to his deception. Most shooters would never get out of their car. It makes no sense to be suppressive firing when they clearly had nothing resembling a gun. Let the cops mess with him a little bit, it adds pressure which is part of the interrogation technique.
2 likesThey were probably being sarcastic.
0 likesFlusterette: Imagine if he hit the pump and exploded and killed who knows how many.
0 likes@Chad K Most people would shoot through the window if they wished to hit someone attacking. IF the attacker's head is already down then they're clearly not a threat anymore. Why do you feel the need to defend the story? Even if the attacker coming out of the door and then going back in the car makes sense, the defendant had no reason to continue his "defensive" firing. Shooting at the doors of a car means you're trying to hit someone who's HIDING.
3 likes@Chad K at that point they weren't being idiotic. They were not being professional at worst. It was sarcasm and outright mocking them.
0 likesLMFAOOOOOO 😂😂😂
0 likesLove that the officer is low key roasting him
4 likesDamn i read this as it was being said..
1 likeTo be fair, a shotgun would mince anything from that distance. Like if there really was a barrel pointing at you, what would you do? Driving away is not an option obviously.
0 likesI know this is a serious situation, but I lost it when the cop said, "from the door?"
1 likeMichael: Well I thought the door had a shotgun... or maybe it was a stick.
0 likes43:30 lol
3 likes"hopefully the guy that I hit."
0 likesI don't know if I should take this as a "I hope the guy who reached for the gun got what he deserved" or as a "hopefully no innocent people got hurt", but judging his tone...
Something that really gets me about this guy and this interrogation is the lack of remorse or guilt. If I (or practically anyone else) had shot and killed someone in self defense-even if it WAS my life vs theirs- I would be so ridiculously distraught. And this guy, whose story is entirely bs? Nothing.
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Completely agree.
0 likesDefinitely. He is acting very matter of fact and confidently deliberate about his actions. I would be crying on the floor, apologizing. at least get manslaughter or something alike. His hate and pride won’t allow that though.
0 likes"What was the purpose of you shooting the door?"
3 likes"Save my life??"
"From the door?"
"No-"
Lmao
Dunn: the guy said he was gonna kill me! Of course his friends would corroborate with him!
2 likesDetectives: we have several independent witnesses who heard the conversation
Dunn: ...well I wasn't sure if i heard him...
This guy doesn't want to be locked up with the "animals." He still doesn't realize he is one.
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Biff Tannen, Esq. how can you tell someone to stop commenting in a comment section 😂
110 likes@Susan Victoria shhhh, thinking makes his head hurt
75 likesVegetable, mineral or animal...and guess which one we are.
4 likesI know what he meant by "animals". He was scared that when he went to prison, it would get out that he murdered a black teenager, and that they would fuck him up. He viewed them as animals. He hates 'that' music. He chose to get into a confrontation with a group of black teenagers over it. It doesn't take a genius to see what happened here. All I wish for America is that people would point their hatred towards the actual racist fucks like this, instead of screaming about cops simply doing their jobs.
110 likes@Todd Hårig he never said Marxism was tied to the USSR. He stated they are using the same tactics used by the Bolsheviks
14 likesThe founders of BLM have stated they are open Marxists
The fundamentals of Marxist are actually really good. Sad thing is anytime you've ever had them implemented onto a society it totally goes to shit. Nice idea but we've never seen it put properly into practice on a large scale of a country
11 likesAdmittedly - we all are.
1 likeWow! These are young teenager enjoying their music! This guy is fractions! This man is in his own world! Everything is about him...he is a dangerous character! Why didn't he move? This world does not relvove around him only! This female is a yes man- woman! Q1 I
4 likes@HolyMith agree 100%...
0 likes@Black Sheep Nomad Marxism a nice idea? What school did you go to?
2 likes@HolyMith I appreciate this comment. There is a LOT more to it than cops just doing their jobs BUT yes, I can side with you. As a person with 3 best friends as cops, I can of course tell you about good and bad cops. Screaming at a cop is just stupid because SCREAMING AT A HUMAN WITH A GUN, just isnt smart period. LOL
6 likes@Louisiana ??? What are you trying to say? They had no prior criminal record at all, no weapons or drugs in the car....they were literally just sitting in a parking lot listening to music.
28 likesHe’s obviously a racist so he’s prolly more worried abt the color of their skin
17 likes@HolyMith there are plenty of cops who act like this. See the killers of : Tamir Rice, Breonna Taylor, Philando Castille, George Floyd, Atatiana Jefferson and on and on and on and on....
10 likesThe cops job is make sure the SUSPECT sees their day in court. Not to judge and execute them for potential crimes.
@Louisiana Ben Franklin and UNO where i got my music and history degree.
0 likesIm willing to bet $$$ you dont know the definition of socialism or why 1956 is significant.
@HolyMith people aren't blaming cops who are out there simply trying to do their job. People are blaming the cops that think exactly like this guy does and get to actually commit murders and hide behind their badge. Cops are just people doing a job. They aren't heroes because they wear a uniform. The deification of law enforcement and military personnel in this country is a sign of creeping authoritarianism. It happens in all countries that are heading the wrong direction.
9 likes@S there's a big difference between respect and gratitude and deification. People who are willing to risk harm or death in order to protect the country deserve your respect and gratitude. Are there bad eggs who are in it for the wrong reasons? Sure. But I'm afraid the demand far outweighs the supply in that regard. People want to vilify them more often than they want to deify them.
0 likes@HolyMith I see a whole lot more blue stripe license plates than I do BLM license plates. Your idea that most people want to vilify cops is something you've made up in your mind. constant victimhood ideology is also a sign of creeping authoritarian government. Cops aren't victims and they aren't heroes and they don't deserve any more gratitude than anyone else who does a job for a living. they don't even rank in the top 20 of most dangerous jobs so I'm not sure why we should all be bending over backwards to genuflect in their presence
10 likes@HolyMith I guarantee you don't thank your local restaurant health inspector for keeping you safe....or nurses and doctors or any of the other professions dedicated to public safety. And the reason is those professions aren't authority figures. A good pct if all populations have authoritarian boot lickers, who just need a strong daddy to worship
6 likesLive 45 years in peace, kill ONE 17 year old unarmed kid and now they call you an animal. Society, amirite? smh
1 like@S You're not being objective about this at all. Health and safety workers, nurses, doctors etc have excellent protective measures but there's only so much you can do against a bullet. It's a false comparison I'm afraid. And need I again remind you that police and military deserve your respect for putting themselves in potential danger for the upholding of your own safety and interests. I didn't say you should treat them like saints, but their jobs are extremely important and sometimes dangerous so a little gratitude is appropriate. Whether people deify or vilify them more often is a matter of perception, but you shouldn't fall victim to selection bias. The media jumps all over controversial cases because they want sensationalism. You don't hear about all the times cops save someone's ass.
0 likes@HolyMith if the only reason why you bow in the presence of law enforcement and military officers is because they keep the public safe then I would ask you why you don't feel the same way about highway maintenance workers? Where's all the love for the guys in reflective tape? they die on the job at about five times the rate of police officers or military. The only goal of their job is to keep citizens safe through the proper maintenance of roads and highways. Yet I've never seen a single "back to the boys in blue" type adulation for these guys. and the only reason that is if because they don't carry guns and tell" those people" their place. And again I'll remind you that it is their job to keep the public safe. That's exactly what they get paid to do. Cops aren't working the beat because they just want everyone to be safe. That's a silly straw man argument that needs to die. They're doing a job that they get paid extremely handsomely to do. Yet you only feel the need to deify one and not the other. The only reason for that is because cops are authority figures and highway maintenance workers are not. It's pure authoritarian worship.
4 likes@HolyMith and also your comparison that nurses and doctors get protection that police don't is just silly especially considering the events of the past year. More nurses and doctors have died in the last year doing their jobs than cops have died in the last 20 years doing theirs. For you to say I'm the one not being objective is kind of ironic. I'm the one who treats everyone equally I don't give anyone the benefit of the doubt just because of the job they do. People deserve respect not job titles. That respect must always be earned...individually. I have known far too many criminals who wear a badge to just give blanket respect to the profession. and I can assure you those criminals didn't get into the job because they wanted to help people. It's because they wanted to commit crimes with impunity while also being adored by their community.
5 likes@HolyMith I guess you were a little too embarrassed about that silly response about doctors and nurses getting more protection than police do to respond. I don't blame you that was one of the dumbest things I've read in the last year. And do me a favor point me to a single Facebook page that tells us to thank every highway maintenance worker for their heroic service to our public safety. Then your point about the only reason people need to give cops gratitude is because of their public service and heroism and not simply because they're authority figures with guns who keep us "safe"
3 likes@Wanda Rose as a rule us men love our submissive women..
0 likesall humans are animals
3 likes😂 nahhhhh look at him dude
1 like@Todd Hårig Random, no the USSR was the biggest country and economy that implemented marxism. it lasted 77 years and it was a failed experiment for a lot of reasons.
0 likesWhile marxism is german in origin its biggest success was being full implemented by the Russians in 1917. It is very much tied to the USSR as this philosophy would be nothing more than a footnote without it. You most likely would not know about this idea if it werent for this event unless youre also well versed in esoteric philosphy of the 19th century.
While different, and a much lesser idea, Hamburgers are distinctly american, however the meal originated, and is a german meal.
Hope this helped!
@LuBu4u Mhm, very interesting. In which ways did the USSR democratize the economy for the proletariat? How did the proletariat exercise their political power?
0 likes@Collin o MIssed this.
0 likesDon't remember what he said, he deleted his comment it seems?
Either way what you are saying is not exactly accurate, well in a sense.
The founders of the BLM organization do not speak for BLM the movement. The organization is not the movement.
Whatever, 9 month old comment, what does it matter?
@Todd Hårig https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_democracy
0 likes@HolyMith for sure man! The murder was definitely racially charged imo
0 likesThey never do
0 likes@LuBu4u I take it you never read that article? In your own words, how did USSR citizens, the proletariat excersice their power, how did the "dictatorship of the proletariat" work in the USSR?
0 likesI mean if this was meant as a counter argument it sure speaks more for my point than it does yours.
Fun side note: Socialist republican party (Democratic socialist basically) won over the Bolsheviks in the National Assembly, the Bolsheviks didn't care and seized power.
The Bolsheviks did not gain power by popular support, they did not work for or fight for the people, they were never truly a socialist/communist party and the "War communism" that shaped their later rule was in theory supposed to be later dropped in favour of abolishing the state entirely, but i don't think anyone bought this.
@Todd Hårig Soviet democracy, or council democracy, is a political system in which the rule of the population by directly elected soviets (Russian for "council") is exercised. The councils are directly responsible to their electors and bound by their instructions using delegate model of representation. Such an imperative mandate is in contrast to a free mandate, in which the elected delegates are only responsible to their conscience. Delegates may accordingly be dismissed from their post at any time or be voted out (recall).
0 likesIn a soviet democracy, voters are organized in basic units, for example the workers of a company, the inhabitants of a district, or the soldiers of a barracks. They directly send the delegates as public functionaries, which act as legislators, government and courts in one. In contrast to earlier democracy models according to John Locke and Montesquieu, there is no separation of powers. The councils are elected on several levels: At the residential and business level, delegates are sent to the local councils in plenary assemblies. In turn, these can delegate members to the next level. The system of delegation continues to the Congress of Soviets at the state level.[1] The electoral processes thus take place from the bottom upwards. The levels are usually tied to administrative levels.[2] Go away.
@LuBu4u And you still didn't read the whole article it seems. How about you go further down to the suppression of the political powers of the proletariat and any non-bolshevik parties?
0 likesMarxism was all about the dictatorship of the proletariat, often confused by a "dictatorship for the proletariat". It was also all about seizing the means of production from the owning class to the working class. Sure, the means of productions was seized, but it was never democratized and given to the people. Not that Marxism is the be all end all when it comes to Socialism but at the end of the day the Bolsheviks didn't allow for any political discourse outside of the accepted Bolshevik stances. Democratic socialists (the ones with the most popular support), anarchists, syndicalists, etc did not get to participate, the economy was not democratized.
I suggest you read up on the differences between Marxist-Leninism and Marxism. Socialism is a very confusing topic, especially if all you know about it is the 20th century states that were all born through bloodshed into a death struggle with the most powerful nation(s) on earth.
Socialism has a LOT of subcategories, most of them are democratic. Most "communist" states that have existed have still been state capitalist (another term i suggest you familiarize yourself with, the USSR and modern china are for instance accused of being state capitalist).
As to not go off topic here: My main argument from the start was that Marxism and the ideology of the USSR are not one and the same, they are not intertwined, they are not even similar in a lot of if not in most aspects. Hell, Marxism isnt' even a definitive ideology, its a set of ideas.
He's not locked up with them. They're locked up with him!
0 likes@Todd Hårig You asked "In which ways did the USSR democratize the economy for the proletariat?"
0 likesIts been fully answered. Youre just back peddling into "It wasnt REAL communism!" and ive already seen this song and dance. Very pretty essay though, congrats.
@LuBu4u "Its been fully answered."
0 likesIt hasn't since if you read the entire article you would see that it agrees with my stance, not yours.
"Youre just back peddling into "It wasnt REAL communism!" and ive already seen this song and dance. Very pretty essay though, congrats."
I'm saying Marxism and Marxist-Leninism aren't the same, which is what I have done since the beginning.
There is a difference between a Marxist Leninist and a Democratic Socialist, there is a difference between a Democratic Socialist and a Social Democrat, There is a difference between a Syndicalist and a Trade unionist. All of these however are either socialist/marxist ideologies or a at the very least a compromise.
Which is all im saying :)
@LuBu4u " You cannot agree or disagree when questioned "How""
0 likesWhat?? The original question was meant to gauge your knowledge (you had to google it and couldn't put anything into your own words, hoping that the article you never even read would be enough for you) as well as to showcase that the Bolsheviks never practiced Marxism to any meaningful extent. Any democracy that was available was for show and extremely local, in that case Feudal society was democratic too as peasants could often petition the king or local lords.
I mean there are similarities, but its still not the same. Marx did bring up the possibility of a centralized state working for and being run by the proletariat democratically. How democratic things ought to be and what is allowed to be run democratically is up to the different -isms. Lenin argued that war time communism ought not to be disrupted by factionalism and thus eroded the democratic power of the proletariat.
"If you read the article you would see how the USSR democratized the proletariat, successfully or otherwise. Youre pathetic."
I'm pathetic because im pointing out that there are differences between things that are different?
So am I pathetic if I point out that there is a difference between laissez faire capitalism and mixed market economics or Keynesian economics despite all of them being capitalist systems?
Notice how you have not made any argument on your own and have just relied on the hope that something in that article makes you sound like you have a point.
Here are some quotes that nullify that:
"After the revolution, the Bolsheviks had to defend the newly formed government in World War I and the Russian Civil War. According to some critics, many of the effects of the wars on the new Soviet government may be part of what led to the decline of soviet democracy in Russia (due to the authority the state took on in war time) and to the emergence of the bureaucratic structure that maintained much control throughout the history of the Soviet Union."
"Some believe that one key blow against soviet democracy occurred as early as March 1918, when all nineteen city soviets that were elected during the spring were disbanded in a series of Bolshevik coups d'etat because workers returned Menshevik-SR (Remember how i told you that they actually held a popular vote and that the bolsheviks lost to democratic socialists) majorities, or non-Bolshevik socialist majorities."
These paragraphs and snippets are from your link btw.
edit: btw, just realized that my original question to you was "In which ways did the USSR democratize the economy", which is not even touched upon by this article. You have been answering questions (wrongfully) that I never asked.
@LuBu4u "However, a key development in the course of soviet democracy in Russia occurred in March, 1921, with the Kronstadt rebellion. The outset of the year was marked by strikes and demonstrations - in both Moscow and Petrograd, as well as the countryside - due to discontent with the results of policies that made up war communism. The Bolsheviks, in response to the protests, enacted martial law and sent the Red Army to disperse the workers. This was followed up by mass arrests executed by the Cheka. Repression and minor concessions only temporarily quelled the discontent as Petrograd protests continued that year in March. This time the factory workers were joined by sailors stationed on the nearby island-fort of Kronstadt. Disappointed in the direction of the Bolshevik government, the rebels demanded a series of reforms including: reduction in Bolshevik priviliges, newly elected soviet councils to include socialist and anarchist groups, economic freedom for peasants and workers, dissolution of the bureaucratic governmental organs created during the civil war, and the restoration of worker rights for the working class.[18] The workers and sailors of the Kronstadt rebellion were promptly crushed by Red Army forces, with a thousand rebels killed in battle and another thousand executed the following weeks, with many more fleeing abroad and to the countryside. These events coincided with the 10th Congress of the Russian Communist Party (Bolsheviks). There, Lenin argued that the soviets and the principle of democratic centralism within the Bolshevik party still assured democracy. However, faced with support for Kronstadt within Bolshevik ranks, Lenin also issued a "temporary" ban on factions in the Russian Communist Party. This ban remained until the revolutions of 1989 and, according to some critics, made the democratic procedures within the party an empty formality, and helped Stalin to consolidate much more authority under the party. Soviets were transformed into the bureaucratic structure that existed for the rest of the history of the Soviet Union and were completely under the control of party officials and the politburo."
0 likesInteresting how Bolsheviks had to put down other Socialists due them being the wrong kind of socialists eh? Almost as if its not all one and the same.
These paragraphs and snippets are from your link btw.
In case you are too far gone to understand what the argument is here:
The French revolution was largely a failure in terms of what the original goal was and what they got. They wanted to abolish the monarchy and to abolish or at least bridge the gaps between the lower and the upper classes. Instead they got the reign of terror, Robespierre and later on an emperor who crowned himself as an absolute ruler. Does that mean that the ideals of "fraternite egalite liberte" doesn't work? Does that mean that the serfs were wrong to want to overthrow the current system? Does the failure of the French revolution to realize their goals mean that the only rightful way to rule is monarchy?
Another interesting thought experiment: How did the fact that every monarch power in Europe tried to militarily crush the revolution affect the revolutionary government? How did the fact that every Fascist and Capitalist states in the world tried to crush every almost every Communist or socialist revolution in history affect the course of these revolutions? - Not really related to the topic but it is interesting to see how armed revolution and threatening the status quo has a tendency to corrupt everything.
Disagree. My dog would never do something like this. The worst thing he’s ever done is bark at squirrels. This guy’s not an animal, he’s a monster.
1 likeLol
0 likes@Nayden Benchev I don't know if socialism is the answer or not but I do know capitalism is messed up. All you working people literally work to make me wealthy.
0 likesaint no pistols in jail he will be someone's bride
0 likesself defense isn't being an animal, it's preservation
0 likesHe cant even lie well... "i thought they had a shotgun" is the dumbest lie... shotguns are really big... he would have done better trying to say he thought a cell phone was a handgun... no one imagines a whole a$$ shotgun 🤦♀️
2 likesJustice was served , he is where he belongs.
1 like"You would be likely more concerned with being shot with a shotgun, as opposed to having your ear bitten off" - Best quote ever
1 likeWow the editing for the timeline of events splicing all the different witnesses! Very nice
0 likesEdit: Also I really wonder what song was playing
Sometimes you look at a person, and then you listen to them, and you wonder how they made it to 45 years old.
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@Phil Porter and then you wonder how they look like that at 45..
62 likes@John Caulfield Uh yea except Trump wasn't even a presidential candidate at the time..good one.
19 likes@John Caulfield it's so weak to immidiately taint someones derived actions as political. You don't know that we only know he is fucked up in the head regardless of his political views.
25 likes@John Caulfield Look, I understand you want to support Trump..But stop making your crowd look so bad. Not everything is Trump or political. People like you remind me of those that mention gender and race ad nauseam.
7 likesJohn Caulfield orange man bad
11 likesHe probably has an IQ double that of yours. He's a software dev, what are you?
0 likes@John Caulfield Of course not. That doesn't change the fact that political views don't apply here. Stop bringing it where it doesn't belong.
4 likes@Bill Lumbergh the odds are that that person is not someone who killed a minor in cold blood. you can also be a software dev and not have a high IQ. furthermore, IQ is a measure of how much you CAN learn, not how much you HAVE learned. having the potential to become intelligent and actually being intelligent are not the same thing.
5 likesOr how they managed to set an alarm, and tie their shoes. And leave the house.
0 likes@John Caulfield Go Away
0 likesI am very amused at how fast this thread went from wondering how folks make it through life to "Fuck John Caulfield"
3 likesMy thoughts exactly...
0 likesHe is 3 years younger than me, but he looks 20 years older than me. Evil eats away at a person until they look awful 😕
1 likeThere's no way that man is 45... He looks at least 58 my God
0 likesI have watched the lengthy interview with DUNN'S neighbors.
0 likesThey shed tons of knowledge onto this ENTIRE investigation.
Their interviews explain a lot about DUNN'S former behaviors.
If only this could have been prevented by like, I don’t know, not allowing any drunk bozo with a short temper to own a firearm. People will shoot eachother over a candybar. But freedom above all, right? God bless America.
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Ur a brick
0 likesthe part that i think about the most is the witness. “heard the loud music, didn’t want to deal with it.” its that simple. michael could have just minded his own business, put up with the music for a few minutes, and went on his way. instead, he chose to murder a teenage boy. my heart breaks for the 3 other boys, who had to witness their friend being killed. rest in peace jordan davis.
5 likesThank God the driver in the SUV was quick to move the vehicle and saved most of the inhabitants of the vehicle. All because of a hot headed drunk.
1 likeMike would be the kind of guy who’d yell at a kid for being excited that he caught a toy in the Walmart claw machine, but he’s in prison so…
1 like“Can’t hear myself think” your at a 7/11 parking lot waiting for your fiancé to get wine...wtf do you need to think about?
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There’s no proof that this is because of racism. So chill.
49 likes@Nathan Sornsovan of course it is. Tf
421 likesGeneral Robert E Lee oh no, a minor inconvenience. Time to get my gun!!!
284 likesTina Barnes i usually don’t agree with black people pulling the racism card but this idiot definitely seemed to do this cuz of him being racist and not liking “thug music”. there’s a reason like stated in the video that the police put a black cop right next to the suspect too lol
129 likesNathan Sornsovan he called them thugs repeatedly, which studies have shown to be associated with racist behavior. “Proving” racism is something that anyone could refute because you don’t know what’s going on in someone’s head, but saying race isn’t a factor is bullshit
167 likesNathan Sornsovan you’re right !! i forgot that racists love to openly admit that they’re racist
90 likesLoL! He was thinkin "OMG, this is why I spent all that time at the range!" But that thug beat threatened to break up his thought. THUG THUG THUG THUG THUG
7 likes@Blake bro what you talking about, you here trying to shatter our racism narrative, is funny the same people who stand and outrage in every perceivable act of so call racism, wont say a word about their "brothas and sistas" killing each other in far higher rate then any of all "racists" attacks, not defending the guy, he got what he deserve, and rip to the other dud.
4 likes@Hypno_BPM So because you don't like "thug music" that makes you automatically racist? Makes zero sense. So people who don't like country music are automatically racist towards whites?
14 likesBlake my dude, first of all you’re completely strawmanning what I’m saying to fit some weird argument that I never made. All I did was point out that race was a factor. I never said that the crime would be less horrible if the victim was white, so you’re entire argument is invalid. Second of all, I think that in a societal sense, crimes fueled by racism do matter. Although we will never know how this guy would have acted had the kids been white, would it not be worrying to you at all if them being black made them more likely for him to see them as thugs? I’ve read the studies and research, the most recent one I’ve looked into shows that black men are more likely to be perceived as bigger and more menacing than white men when dressed the same and having the exact same weight, height, and build. How can you not think that race is an issue? Murder is always bad, but racism leads to hate crimes and people are more likely to be subjected to violence who are black because of preconceived notions. That’s not even going into the idea that the murder “got what he deserved” in this case, yet there are thousands of examples since black people were made equal under the law in which their cases weren’t taken as seriously and their murders (briana taylor) still are walking free without charges.
64 likesJay Hughes studies show that white people usuallt associate words like thug with black people unfortunately. Also, he didn’t just call their music “thug”, he called the kids thugs for no reason other than I guess they played their music loudly and cursed at him for basically being a boomer😂
56 likes@caromela Studies shows White Farmers are being murdered in South-Africa ain't no communist organization helping them🙏🏻🇳🇱
7 likes@Nathan Sornsovan Mike said "I hate thug music". Now, explain how that's not racism. I'll wait.
36 likesHe was salty that those black guys were talking about him...if they even were...
7 likesExactly! Youre parked for 3 min max, suck it up old man
13 likes@rainy tee. I bet he thought he would get some special deal for being white like in the Travon case.
4 likesBrian M ... thugs come in all colors
7 likes@Nathan Sornsovan lol, you think he would have done it, if it was a car full of white teenagers listening to "I'm a barbie girl" or something?
42 likesLMAO
0 likes@Jay Hughes calling rap music thug music is evidence of racist behavior/feelings lmao.
30 likesNathan Sornsovan dude, it was totally racism. He had a good day and was stopping to get some more wine and some kids pulled up blaring some rap music and he was a boomer to the extreme. He called them thugs multiple times. Even when he talks about prison I have doubt when he says “these people” and “animals” he’s talking about the general population and not the overall statistic that most prisons house African Americans.
23 likesShouldn't have been playing that thug music. I see alot of anger by people who see their country turning into a cultural wasteland.
1 like@Ash’Karra In the beginning he says "it's absurd that they would do that but, you know, they're violent."
26 likesLet's call a spade a spade here. This sentence shows clear racial bias, especially when coupled with the fact that he had been told by the police that all of those kids had a clean record.
@Thatshow ED And - that's right, Thatshow - that's racist. You're weakening humanity - adapt and do better, or keep your thoughtless, racist sentiments to yourself.
6 likes🤣🤣🤣
0 likesSaying that this has anything to do with racism is insulting to people that are actual victims of racism. Stop trying to use the racism card on every situation that involves african american people.
3 likesIf you think this had nothing to do with race, then you are probably racist. Would he feel in danger of his life if those kids were white? He probably just jumped to the conclusion that those black kids are armed and dangerous.
21 likes@robin2012ism you told me the exact same thing I said, thanks.
0 likes@Hypno_BPM - It IS THUG music. In fact it isn't even MUSIC, it is NOISE.
2 likesC-store wine and parking lot philosopher. Classic pair.
2 likesits an expression
0 likesWhite or red.. unfortunately for the gentlemen in that vehicle thats a 20 minute decision for mr dunn
0 likes@Nathan Sornsovan "thugs" is a code word
2 likesGeneral Robert E Lee so that justifies murder?
0 likes@Raph K Perhaps (and this is just a thought) people are disillusioned by the fact that they can be murdered, in broad daylight. for playing a song. Or buying Skittles. Or going for a jog. Or sleeping in their own bed. Just sayin'.
9 likes@Thatshow ED Are you jealous? What a weird response to a video about murder.
6 likesOkay?!
0 likes@jack thursby That doesn't make it thug music?? Just because some rap songs consistent of that doesn't make it thug music considering there is rap that doesn't consistent of that. That's just a subsection of Rap. Rap is a music genre. Not thug music. Unfortunately thanks to redlining a lot of black people live in poorer neighbors and have to do some not so great things to get by. And Rap is something that originated in black culture so obviously they're mostly singing their experiences. It's not "thug" music just because of that. You're activately demonizing music that belongs to a culture because they're rapping about a common experience people in poorer areas tend to experience/go through.
14 likes@Raph K are you gonna prove me wrong instead of calling me stupid on something you don't know anything about?
3 likes@Laura R Barrow Okay and there are black people that put down their own race for having darker skin. Doesn't make it any less wrong buddy. You're not disproving the fact calling it thug music is still racist. Calling rap, thug music is demonizing a culture's music and is racist.
11 likes@jack thursby I'm ignorant??? You're calling a whole music genre thug music. Rap literally is just "a type of music of African American origin in which rhythmic and usually rhyming speech is chanted to a musical accompaniment" which is it's official definition. Nowhere does it say "music that talks about being in gangs, s3lling dr*gs, ki//ing people etc." If you're rhyming and using rhythm while speaking in a faster pace than normal, it's called rapping and a song with rapping in it is rap. Calling it thug music is racist. There's no debate.
12 likes@jack thursby Wow such a good response. Try harder again next time. I educate myself and have a lot of practice in debating and I didn't know that biased media dictated definitions. Could you have a weaker argument? Seriously do some research before you call me ignorant on a subject in my own culture 💓 Nice subliminal message racist. anyway explaining why things are the way they are isn't simping for criminals but then again you're calling black people criminals after trying to say calling rap music thug music isn't racist. So...really anything you say couldn't matter less to me.
2 likes@jack thursby No, you define rap by it's definition, also I thought you weren't trying to debate with me? And I didn't I said it's a subsection of rap, and I can actually disagree with you saying it 90% of the genre because you don't have any proof of that.
6 likes@jack thursby I'm actually not mad, I have many conversations like this, it makes me happy when I get to win debates against people who don't know what they're talking about. You're not the first person to pull the "I just wanted to make you triggered ;)/😂/🤣" card. Also I don't get what trump has to do with this but trust me when I say I do not care. Biden and Trump are the same person pal.
5 likesDATONE GAMER you can do a lot of illegal shit in a couple of minutes...
0 likesI think it was just a figure of speech...
0 likes@jack thursby I don't think they're delusions, but I do think you're kidding yourself. Yet you literally just were contributing to the debate/argument with that "90%" comment. So are you debating or not. You also were debating me but stopped once I pulled out the definition of rap/rapping and why it's racist to call it thug music. You can win a argument if your opponents have no comeback arguments/can't refute your points/give up which is what you did. I recommend you go to an actual debate class inside of taking note from Trump as well as advise you educate yourself on topics before you say things that are inaccurate.
6 likes@jack thursby whatever helps you sleep at night sir, I promise being wrong isn't so bad your ego can handle it, now see I would tell you every single one of my views but that has absolutely nothing to do with this conversation and I already know where you're going with this, you did it with the delusions you brought up for whatever reason.
3 likesHahahHahahaha 😂
0 likes@Nathan Sornsovan I believe thug music was used.
0 likes@Nathan Sornsovan also he assumed that 4 black kids had to just have a gun. And by listening to music they were threatening his life....(listening to thug music he said) That... Simply put is the most racist thing I have heard.
9 likes@DATONE GAMER And he already had a few drinks before. I was wondering if they could've charged him with DUI.
3 likesAnd they were only there for a bit. The dude who was in the store even came out and they were probably ready to leave.
7 likesHe acted like they are going to spend 4 hours in that 7/11 parking lot.
@Em Pac This guy CHOSE to park next to a group of teens blasting "thug music." He could've parked somewhere else.
9 likesSagatuppercut SF2 exactly. He also could’ve chose to ignore the music for all of the 5 minutes he was beside the car.
8 likesThe speakers hurt his hearing but blasting his gun 10 times didn't hurt him at all but sadly it hurt a 17 year old kid! What a piece of shit. RIP JORDAN
6 likes@caromela your 100% correct!
0 likes@Blake it makes it worse because it showcases a systemic problem
1 like😂😂😂😂
0 likes@jack thursby 1) you need to listen to more rap my dude that's the shitty side of it, and even then listening to a song doesn't make you violent
6 likes2) hentai isn't a hobby it's porn lmfao
Needs to think about how he’s driving intoxicated, with about 5 rum and cokes in him
1 like@rainy tee. THIS! This guy was just waiting for an opportunity.
1 like@Hypno_BPM Fyi, nobody cares if you don't agree with Black people being vocal about racism. Choosing to be ignorant is your personal choice.
5 likes@Ash’Karra but dont you think his whole "I was scared for my life" defense has to do with the racist fear that black men/boys are dangerous?
2 likes@Blake it only matters as to motive. Since it is over there is no reason to discuss it at all, but the reason for the discussion is that this seems to be a race related shooting. Shootings happen all the time. It is incidents like this that we discuss because of the apparent motive and defense. If they were white kids, not only do I believe it wouldnt have happened but more than that, if it did we would not be talking about it, no video would be made.
0 likes@Armor King Shootings happen all the time. It is incidents like this that we discuss because of the apparent motive and defense. If they were white kids, not only do I believe it wouldnt have happened but more than that, if it did we would not be talking about it, no video would be made.
0 likesBlake Just call this shit what it is RACIST . We know not all whites people are racist duh ! But why wouldn’t we call out someone who CLEARLY is and what CLEARLY motivated this crime . I get tired of people making excuses . Does racism existing scare you ? It shouldn’t if you don’t display the behavior.
2 likesBlake Okay if you understand 90 % of it was racially motivated then why try to downplay that fact ? I don’t think anything needs to make national television for it to be a shitty situation and for law and order to prevail. Even when it doesn’t innocent lives lost is fucked up no matter what race . You are over here creating a hypothetical situation over something that factually happened ! And what makes it hypothetical is how could we truly know if it was two white guys it wouldn’t have made the news. We are not going to sit here and act like nobody ever shows white people getting murdered and making it big . Just like when that black man killed that white kid recently that made national news ! It’s just really insensitive to these victims to worry about it getting media attention bc they were black. Shame.
4 likesPick your battles ladies and gentlemen....pick your fuckin battles.
0 likesHes thinking about how to manipulate the situation but the emotions hes facing with him getting caught is too overwhelming for him to properly articulate his words in a convincing way.
0 likes@Nathan Sornsovan yeah sure keep tellin yourself that
0 likesThe entitlement of it all. That he owns a public space and should be accommodated in it. That his being uncomfortable is so unacceptable that he justified in his warped mind, using legal force against a car full of high schoolers. I’m telling you prison isn’t enough.
2 likesPetroleum Gas*
0 likesThis is the most accurate comment I have ever read lol
0 likesRight - he think so highly of himself that he felt he could boss around a group of teenagers
0 likes"Should I get a slurpee?"
1 likenot to mention he was driving after having several drinks. . . clearly not thinking much.
0 likesMurder apparently.....
0 likes@Sadie Ireland thats just a nonsensical comment, one used by someone who has no actual argument worth debating lol
0 likes@Sadie Ireland You're welcome
0 likesRead this just as it played on the audio 😂
0 likesFor sure not about lay the Sheila down...
0 likes@Hypno_BPM "I usually don't agree with black people pulling the racist card" does it bother you that people are actually racist? it's not a card. it happens. your comment doesn't specify the difference between those who exaggerate a situation and those that are actually racist.
0 likes@anitazxx if you listen long enough.
0 likes@Jay Hughes but billions of people from all around the world listen to country music so what's your point? There's a very specific sub group of white folks who really, reealllllyyy despise the genre of rap/hip hop/r&b specifically because they see it as "thug" music. Lol they're just trifling busy bodies who have an insane urge to control others. Like let people listen to what they want to. Who cares?! But you'll see this phenomenon online and in real life quite often. A lot of white folks truly hate hip hop and r&b. But then turn right around listen to Christian rock about their magical non existent sky daddy being glorious.
0 likes5000th like lfg
0 likesIkr, I hate when people cry about loud music. Get over it.
0 likesi mean, it's the whole reason trump got elected as prez
0 likes@Raph K their country? who’s country? playing ... folk music is more American? Is specifically only “thug” music wasteland worthy? wouldn’t you say a grown man driving under the influence and shooting at cars is a downfall of civilized america?!
0 likes@Ash’Karra if the kids were blasting some Led Zeppelin or Foreigner, he wouldn't have said shit. There was definitely a racial component to this.
1 likeIt cant take that long to run in and buy a bottle of wine. In and out . Surely loud music can be tolerated for 5 minutes. " live and let live" did he say? Lol what happened to that Michael's
0 likes@matt smith facts are facts
0 likes@Nathan Sornsovan No proof? Really? NO PROOF? Are you out of your mind?
0 likes@Allyson Moore what's the proof then? There is no pinpoint evidence of it. You can't just say its racism just because he's white and the victim was black.
0 likes@Jay Hughes hes a legit racist, if you couldnt tell by the many hints in the video, then you should tell by his racist prison letters
2 likes@Rants N' At I don't think this man was stupid: he was a software developer--he had to be somewhat high on the intelligence curve. However, he did have a strong bias which he unfortunately acted on. Considering how "sensitive" people are about race relations these days, he should have monitored himself better--i.e., turn other cheek. Just get your wine and leave.
0 likesWhat?
0 likes@rainy tee. This. This is the second time on this channel a chubby middle aged doubchey military role-play guy has started a confrontation, and then drew out a gun and pre-emptively shot the minute they felt threatened.
2 likesIt's a paradox cause, the guys like this seem to hold 2 important premises at once:
- my guns keep me safe in case of danger.
- I always have to be prepared for the worst, and shoot if I have to.
But the issue is when walking knowing that they're safe leads them to start trouble and talk crap. Cause well, if it gets bad, they're safe, right?
But they haven't ever really been in a situation like this before, it's stressful and they are terrible judges of the situation and acting on adrenaline and fear.
So given this, when they are ready to shoot if they absolutely "need" to, but then go around putting themselves In situations where they might irrationally think that they "need" to in a panic; its a recipe for disaster.
These guys can't handle stress and conflict and the minute things get difficult, they immediately use their gun, with lethal consequences. They have little regard for the lives of others nor the consequences of being a douce bag cause "well ill be okay".
@Jay Hughes If I consistently referred to country music as “inbred redneck music,” you might assume I wasn’t fond of rural whites.
1 likeI think it’s just an expression. All he means is that it’s too loud for his own taste
0 likes@Nathan Sornsovan Suuuuuure.
0 likes@Nathan Sornsovan you’re tripping. Thug music? There’s prejudice all over that man. He saw a car full of black kids being “ignorant” and couldn’t get off on a power trip.
1 likeLife choices
0 likes@PREDACON PAUL sounds like you think edp just wanted some cupcakes
0 likesracism
0 likes@rainy tee. I’m not saying it’s not racism in action , but you wouldn’t believe how much people are just psychos in plain sight.
0 likesGod bless! Believe in your heart and confess with your mouth that Jesus Christ is our Lord and Savior and the Son of God and died on a cross for our sins! Believe God is our Father and Creator and raised His Son Jesus from the dead! Confess and repent of your sins and trust in God! Live for Jesus as He died for you!! (Don’t swear or take God’s name in vain!) 🥰🤍
1 like@Nathan Sornsovan I think it is bro he thought cause there black I can get away with this 🤦♂️ or If I’m wrong my bad
0 likes"Where do I keep the gun?" I suppose...
0 likes@Nathan Sornsovan We got a racism denier over here guys
1 likeThat is an expression and the thinking referred to is not literal.
0 likesHe swore he was in a library
0 likes@Nathan Sornsovan but it is.
0 likesThe irony of the examiner asking a question that sounds like "How long have you known Mr. done for"
0 likesWe need this kind of justice and investigators in my country. If this happened here, oh man, this guy would be drinking beer at home peacefully.
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Where is that?
0 likes@Ian Sellers Argentina 😐
0 likesIt’s heartbreaking to think that that 17yr old boy might still be alive if he was another skin complexion. To refer to rap as “thug music” and to call yourself a victor because you murdered a child shows the narcissism and psychotic issues that lay in that man. I wonder what else he has done to innocent unsuspecting black citizens
4 likesThis man deserves everything that comes to him in prison. May he never have a days peace.
1 likeYou can really see Rhonda's remorse in the beginning of the video. Her hand is shaking as she's in court, and she's visibly upset over her involvement.
1705 likesTo then hear her recollection of events during the interrogation videos just adds to her authenticity as a genuine human.
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Beetter say, incubator
1 likeYour Friend, Ponce sure, they are. Didnt u know?
0 likes@ethan carter shit man no kidding...bizarre lol.
62 likes@Your Friend, Ponce They are so deranged, it's exhausting and lowkey terrifying
59 likesGuys, this just shows why you don't get married. She'll throw you under the bus. And then a bunch of women on youtube will agree with her.
2 likes@Jazza BigHits dude he murdered a kid in cold blood of course she turned him in
75 likes@Артем Евженков bro can u just call her Rhonda please axper 😭
1 like@Артем Евженков lmao
0 likes@Jazza BigHits Hmm you have a strange sense of right and wrong. Makes me wonder what you've done in your life where you feel you're entitled to unconditional loyalty. Do yo see a partner as a companion or an alibi?
7 likes@Jazza BigHits Dude was going to jail no matter what. He murdered an innocent kid. What would be the point for her to lie? So that she too can go to jail for perjury?
10 likesAnd now she’s spending his money and living the life while he rots in jail… I’m a man and I’m fine with that. Justice = served.
@Артем Евженков get help
2 likesBe vigilante but be calm and keep your brain working.
0 likesI was working as a medicine delivery driver few years back, one day i parked in an apartment parking lot in an empty non-reserved space. It was raining lightly, i was double checking the details and was about to turn off my car and get out. A young black guy in a hoodie walked up to my car and i saw him in my rear mirror that he is walking up then he tried to open the back door of my car, since my car was still running and the doors were still locked. He couldn't open twice he tried, i honked and he then looked inside at my seat and as soon as he saw me he kind of panicked, and started apologizing, he quickly went back and stood at the stairway of the building as he was before because he was waiting for someone to pick him up, i turned off the car and got out with the package and walked towards the stairs he smiled and again said i am very sorry for trying to open the car door i am getting picked up by someone i do not know which car he is bringing. I told him fair enough, gave him a fist bump and told him it's all cool. No worries. Not everyone is bad, yes there are bad people out there is every shape, color and form but always stay calm, understand and assess the situation. Reason for sharing is because it is a personal experience and this might help someone someday.
Should have just endured the music for the few moments you were parked beside the boys, instead of throwing your weight around, then you'd still be a free man.
1 likeRIP to the young man who was so senselessly murdered, because of this POS's arrogance & stupidity 💔
I’m sick to my stomach with this guy and his racism. He is sooooo guilty it makes me sick. He’s using certain terms in reference to them and being nonchalant about the one he “hit” 🥺🤨😡😠
0 likesHoly crap the channel is back up. I need to binge!
4 likesDo you have a patreon or rumble channel that you can put all your videos up on? I would happily sub.
Crazy how a man can sit there crying about his dog and fiance when the parents of the victims are sitting in the gallery
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Makes my blood boil
35 likesExactly how I felt
10 likesSuch an evil man. Such a shame too because they seem like good kids. Have to worry about getting shot not even doing anything now. I’m glad that man is never getting out.
22 likesHis nice life is over. It’s hard for him to accept. He is all torn up inside.
3 likes@Lord Badass did you even watch the video?
7 likesI dont blame him. Their lives are worth more. And so is his.
0 likesExactly. At no point did he express ANY feelings about taking an unarmed life, especially a teenager. Made me sick. Glad he's off the streets.
6 likesWell they attacked him with loud music
1 like@Manolo Volkov 💀💀
0 likes@Ashley Underwood you’re white
0 likesIt worked for Rittenhouse
0 likesYou can see the detective 🕵️♀️ trying to control his anger 😨
0 likes"Oh my god, where's all this hostility coming from?" Says the jerk who's the source of the hostility.
4 likes"They're like 'we're gonna kill you' and then they said 'you're dead, bitch!'" Seems like Mikey's been watching too much Breaking Bad -- he makes these kids sound an awful lot like a bootleg Jesse Pinkman 🥴
4 likesI love how the detective is “fake”writing.. lol
4 likes“What was the purpose of that?”
2156 likes“To save my life”
“From the door?” LOL i love the investigator
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I literally just commented this, nice to know I’m not the only one who got a chuckle out of that bit
15 likesLol. The investigators were havin none of it from him.
35 likesIt's the way he said it, was so funny
8 likesdoes some have a time stamp? i miss it >:/
5 likesIzzy Vargas 43:15
17 likesI was scrolling through the comments and read this exactly as I read this comment... Haunting
1 like43:20 best moment of the interview
9 likes4:54 shoutout to Witness 7. I saw a thing that would frustrate me… and moved away instead of making a scene.
5 likesLadies and gents, the correct reaction.
This poor woman is so upset. That poor girl. She was so brave when testifying!
0 likesAnybody else felt violently angry while listening to this man try and lie his way out of essentially murdering an innocent teenager? Like , this piece of excrement legit has my blood boiling.
1 likeI just came across Your channel. Great content and amazing job of Yours!!!! Thank You and waiting for more 🥳😎
0 likesi used to think asking for an attorney is giving away guilt but then after watching these videos the first thing im gonna do guilty or not is ask for a lawyer lollll
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You should do that no matter what
96 likesYep, especially if you are innocent: just zip it and ask for your attorney.
119 likeschaja95 bingo!!!! Soooo many people think that way and are manipulated into thinking that way. Always lawyer up and know ur rights
61 likesBecause the system is fucked lmao
21 likesDuh
6 likesYep no one will think you’re guilty, they’ll just know you’re aware of your rights
26 likesThe most important line of the Miranda rights in regards to this is, "Everything you say can AND WILL be used AGAINST you".
21 likesyes. me too. even if innocent. ive watched other videos about police interrogation and the bottom line to retain is "the police are not your friend". But they WILL pretend like they are.
10 likeschaja95 just make sure your attorney has the a last name with “Stein” or “Berg” in it. You should be golden.
9 likes@Ashley Williams what's up
0 likesYou, I've been interrogated before, 9 hours. You won't be able to talk your way out of it, even of you didn't do anything at all. But especially if you did do what you're accused of... shut your mouth and let them proove their side.
3 likes@aboctok damn near everyone thinks they talk their way out of trouble.
0 likesSo you want to get away with crime?
0 likesYeah the first thing I do next time I kill someone is get a lawyer too.
2 likesYes! Better to raise eyebrows by lawyering up than to be railroaded in an interview room.
2 likesLawyering up is what saved JonBenet Ramsey’s family.
3 likesAsking for lawyer doesn’t mean one is guilty it means that one is aware that they don’t know the law better than lawyers and police officers
2 likesjames jones LMFAO!!!
0 likesPlease, from this point never accept jury duty.
1 likeI've been through interrogation I. Just told the truth.. Point blank I wasn't bother no more after that. damn a lawyer..do the crime do the time..
0 likesAlways have a lawyer, they do the talking so you dont have to. its safer that way
1 likeI agree. Dude was totally wrong but an attorney definitely could have helped.
0 likesAlways get a lawyer, innocent people can end up in prison, not just the guilty.
5 likesI cannot express this point enough.
0 likesI'm not saying that you shouldn't lawyer up especially if you're innocent, but if you're guilty, and they have multiple suspects the detectives are going to make you their number one suspect. This happened in the case of serial rapist that was covered in another JCS video. Also subscribe to JCS on Patreon for a dollar a month it's worth it.
0 likesI work at Harley-Davidson, and one of my coworkers is a biker attorney, and bikers know their rights!!
0 likesI was pulled over once and just went through my "assertion of rights":
Officer please understand: I have the right to have an attorney present if you want to question me or conduct any search of my body or personal effects. I'm giving no consent to any type of search.
if I am under arrest: I wish to invoke and exercise my Miranda Rights. I want to speak to my attorney now, I do not want my personal property impounded, nor do I consent to any impoundment. I request the opportunity to secure my personal effects.
if I am not under arrest: please tell me immediately so that I may leave.
Sometimes you can't always trust the officers judgement, very many situations could pop up in an instant if you're not careful or if you think you know your rights, but aren't familiar with them! Hopefully this helps out someone like it helped me.
@Drunken Cowboi Yes, that's what guilty or not means. Thanks for the hot take, though.
0 likes@DADDY GIRL CHANEL HINES I've also been interrogated but had my lawyer with me and told the truth. I can say the demeanor of the police was notably cautious when I introduced my lawyer before entering the interrogation room...I wasn't bothered again either.
0 likesAgain, I’m struck by how guilty people think that to play innocent you have to have a reason for everything and remember each moment down to your logic and reasoning. Like, if it were a genuine panicked mistake from an actual threat, the second volley would be explained away with “I was in a panic and not thinking straight. I don’t have police training so I didn’t think to hide, I didn’t think at all, I just panicked.”
1 likeBut no, he has a reason for every move he makes and notices the position of every person.
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IKR In the end, the more you say, the more fodder for the prosecution. Wait for your lawyer, consult with them and refrain to answer if you're really in trouble. Who cares if it looks incriminating? They're suspicious anyway.
1 likeThrough the ENTIRE video he does not, even once, expressed concern for the well being of the kids...I mean grown men
1 likewhen he said "i was just like live and let live" in the interview.
2 likesis he for real!?
You know this guy deserves the guilty on all counts verdict but if he was honest about the situation said he'd been drinking made a mistake whatever he probably would have ended up with a lighter sentence
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Yes but he needed to hand himself in straight away for any mitigation whatsoever. It's one of the first things the detective says to him. Fair enough, you may abscond from the immediate scene out of adrenaline and fear. But then, if you were remotely contrite, you would have to get on to the cops immediately and "walk them in" as the D put it. Frankly, I think he initially thought, "well I didn't hit anyone. Given the police caseload, if I just get out of dodge, they'll probably drop this one". But once he saw there had been a killing on the news, again, he failed to hand himself over there and then. There goes any chance at mitigation. What a dope.
0 likesthis channel is class apart and so underrated from everything else on internet
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@biggreenmachine2007 dint knew that...good to hear..cheers!
17 likes@biggreenmachine2007 How did you work out his earnings?
5 likesAm I right when I say some channels don't make money on YouTube so have to make it on other sites like patreon?
I never knew how fascinating I find police interrogations until I watched this channel.
29 likesBroken Silence close to 40k Patreon members and popular YouTube, however many people who operate this channel deserves all the money they get
11 likesVery true
0 likesim so excited to watch this i want to take the day off
2 likesThis statement should be considered a truism
0 likesbiggreenmachine2007 that’s an awful reasoning lol
0 likes100% the quality is astounding.
1 likeJakey Knightsy corono cough. Grade 10 LEGO physics animation project. I guess that’s kinda cool #boomer
0 likes@biggreenmachine2007 best dollar I spend every month, but I wish he would upload more content
3 likesTrue, I'm not a big fan of this type of content but this is still my favorite channel atm
1 likebiggreenmachine2007 his Patreon is ONE dollar with great content. He is in a space where there isn’t much comparable content as well so it’s not all that surprising he has a dedicated group willing to spend that dollar. His earnings don’t determine if he is or isn’t underrated.
2 likesFor MMA fans, people really like UFC embedded, which is 100% just a rip off of “Anatomy of a Fighter”. He makes amazing content, but is drastically less known than programs like Embedded. Because he is still making a decent amount of money doing it does that make him not underrated?
have you heard "s-town" the podcast? that will curl your toes. or "my favorite murder" or "let's not meet"? all exceptionally high quality though with slightly different subject matter
4 likesjerk chicken thanks!
0 likesCheck out audit the auditor or whatever... also this channel makes millions lmao... the watch time must be INSANE
1 likeSymbolic Bass I just checked out Audit the Audit and it seems really interesting. Thanks!
0 likesNot a class apart from LA beasts channel
0 likes.. have a good day
biggreenmachine2007 subscriber wise I think he’s underrated but, due to his editing and quality, he seems worthy of the money
1 likeI wish he uploaded more, I love the narrators voice
1 likeTrue
0 likes"Cold justice" is a good one also
0 likesLol right I feel like im making out like a bandit getting all this free education
0 likes@Mark Rampersad absolutely theybdo so much work for us to sit back and relax and just watch
0 likesWhat kind of narcissist empties a magazine into a vehicle and goes, "Yeah, I can navigate this without a lawyer"?
0 likesThis dude deserves to go to jail just for not asking for a lawyer when he first sat down with the interrogators. Then again if he did we wouldn’t be watching this on this awesome channel :D
0 likesClearly the added drama and "new facts" in the court was something the lawyer told him... And it failed hard. That lawyer sucks.
0 likesHe was over the limit for holding a gun., and over the limit for driving. He was a bit drunk why pull a gun and why flee the scene if he was sober.
0 likes“I’m the victor and the victim”
3803 likes- A narcisist.
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he victor part is so disgusting
130 likeshe feels literally triumphant but also wants to feel like he was just wronged
I mean in this context you're definitely right. He's definitely in the wrong. However in a case of "ACTUAL Self defense" I think you can be the victor and the victim.
33 likes@goavs I think he used the word “Victor” to mean the opposite of “victim”
13 likesBut idk I could be wrong here.
@KobzELFN he feels like he won because he killed a black kid and got away with his own life when it wasn’t in danger to begin with, and feels like a victim because he’s in police custody and not with his puppy
63 likesGotta love the Dark Triad
2 likesThis is the best comment! Haha
1 like@ZetsubouNoShima oh ok
0 likesSomething like Trump would say.
5 likesRight.
0 likesPlagiarized from Putin
0 likesAnother ironic quote from him "live and let live"
2 likesTrumpty?
0 likesVictors don't go to jail! That's losing Big Time
2 likes@Abdul Ahmed nope
1 like@Abdul Ahmed nope
1 likeRight!! How can you be a victor of any situation where you shot and killed a kid 🙄🙄
0 likesI didn't understand the meaning here. What is being a Victor? 😁
0 likesexactly my thoughts.
0 likesand how mid conversation says " yeah ya know u was the victim " like no one asked
1 like@Abdul Ahmed well, the american justice system is 100% stupid, i agree, but so is your comment.
0 likesWhat a crazy line
0 likesSounds like my soon to be ex husband.
0 likesI’m so glad this man was convicted. “Victor” is not the word one should use after killing an unarmed kid over music!
0 likesVictommy. My foot
0 likesThe man asked "are you talking to me?" as if he was DeNiro form Taxi Driver, brags about his swift handling of the gun etc. Dude goes to a shooting range and carries an unnecessarily powerful pistol that can shoot through a car door and through a human body too. This means even if he found himself in a situation of real self defence, he could shoot some kid or two standing behind a supposed attacker.
0 likesAnd yeah, thanks for reminding his words from the phone call.
All the respect for his fiancee.
R.I.P. young man.
@ZetsubouNoShima spot on
0 likesAgree.
0 likesExactly!! You hit the nail on the head. Narcissist never take accountability and always place blame. #1 🚩out of 8 🚩
0 likes@Basic Simp Now it sounds like something Basic Simp would say, 🤔🚩
0 likestoo many of these comments are talking about how brave rhonda was (and she was), but nobody mentions how those teenagers have to live with the sounds of gunfire hitting their car, watching their friend die, and then having to recount the events over and over again in front of total strangers because of an entitled, racist asshole. those kids deserve better and i hope they're getting the therapy/help they need to cope.
1 likeAs I watch I'm actually annoyed by the black detective. I'm black myself any yet I can CLEARLY see that he is almost single handedly ruining this investigation by constantly refuting the defendants statement with facts.
0 likesI believe the art of war instructs you to always give the enemy a way out.
The MOMENT this happens you see the halt of CONVERSATION that include incriminating statements to simple replies as he sees he can't talk himself out.
Even his partner's interruptions don't really help.
we were all teens once and pretty sure at one point we had the music on loudly. that's not cause to kill someone
4 likesdude shoots 8 times over music? and heads to hotel to order pizza? wow! life in prison is what he should get
4 likes"It's unfortunate that things turned out the way that it did."
21353 likes- Man who unfortunately was there to turn things out that way
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Cool to see us and our favorite content creators are equally addicted to these vids :D
103 likesThat’s the best way I could have put it
18 likesWhy do I feel sorry for him and wished he was judged free? Am I just naive and felt for his crying? Or is it because he is white and the kids were black? Or both?
26 likes@Mr White what
243 likes@Mr White I’d say naive.
143 likesHes basically trying to appear genuine.... while clearly suffering from a massive ego whom also owned a handgun and thought he could use it to support said ego. Hes trying to say its "unfortunate" things turned out as not "self defense" and he couldnt talk his way out of this like everything else in his life.
106 likes@Mr White Yeah you’re naïve. This was a guy, consciously or unconsciously, trying to find an excuse to shoot someone.
183 likesIt's crazy that he "feared for his life" yet didn't call authorities, instead went straight to hotel as if nothing happened.
114 likes@Mr White you feel sorry for him because the tape is on him. If there were questioning with the kid who dieds parents, crying or the other kids in the car youd feel bad for them. And the fact of the matter is he WAS judged freely. The detectives had him talk his story and he had every chance to appear valid or genuine with how he reacted like that. They didnt start contradicting him until after he said everything. They gave him the opportunity to talk and did judge him freely. There are other videos of him threatening to kill his ex wife whom was a foreign person married for citizenship, if I recall. This is a guy who went around threatening lives and trying to intimidate people for a long time. The black teenagers were having none of it. They werent intimidated by him. So he shot them. Race should make absolutely no difference for how you feel. If you feel sorry for him its because the way he spoke to appeal to others emotions got to you. Thats what he did. He was a manipulator.
126 likes@Mr White What in the everloving hell are you on about??? You don't sound very smart.
50 likes@Purposely Pondering exactly if you have other options like running away, the cops will always ask why u didn’t take that route
2 likes@Lance Handy Manipulation worked on me.
5 likes@Professionally Correct I'm not. But I try my best to work around it.
19 likes@Professionally Correct calling someone not smart solves nothing
20 likes@Mr White Probably both
4 likesamerica... where u can buy guns in your local store... we dont have such cases often in central europe^^
33 likes@Mr White skin color has nothing to do with it they were criminals black or white, doesn’t matter, he was wrong as well, it was a bad situation that happened to a group of people who don’t want to take responsibility for their actions
2 likes@CertainDeath777 second amendment. America was built on people owning their own guns. Hard to change that now.
8 likes@Jon Holla - I think Marcus Moore's "it" was supposed to be "if", so simmer down. Reread the sentence with "if" not "it'
3 likes@Nun Ya In context with what he said that doesn't make sense. He said "skin color has nothing to do with it, they were criminals black or white" not "skin color has nothing to do with if...."
21 likesr/leopardsatenyface
1 like@CertainDeath777 Not that bad, in South africa you buy guns outside on the streetcorner. Our whole world is just messed up.
7 likesOh my Gods Linfamy is here. Great content mate ❤
2 likes@Lance Handy Mr White is a waste of air
6 likes@Jon Holla For sure. He’s a coward
3 likesHe was defending himself.
2 likes@Not Sure """""defending """""
13 likes@Not Sure are you sure? Or not sure???
13 likes@Lance Handy well it was actually built on forming militias so….
1 like@Rachael how is that different than what I said? Wouldnt you need to own a firearm to be in a militia?
0 likes@Lance Handy well it wasn’t specifically focused on the firearm part believe it or not. Back then guns were actually really inefficient and were only effective when you had a massive group of people all firing a volley. A gun would have been completely useless in defending yourself if you were alone because of how inaccurate they were. It sounds more to me that the founding fathers were more concerned about the scenario of a tyrannical government forming and then being able to form a militia to combat it than in a home invasion.
4 likesAlso you wouldn’t need to own a firearm to be in a militia. If you have a competent way of taking people down without a gun I think that would honestly save a lot of resources. Take the Vietcong for example, they didn’t really need to use guns to kill Americans as they could use their immediate surroundings to much greater effect.
3 likes@Rachael youd rather have a firearm then not have if you were defending yourself alone. Thats a random hypothetical situation anyway, if you were alone lol. The second amendment is a correspondence to the seizure of weapons from the colonies via king george and the british never returned them. And the right to house soldiers since it was demanded the colonies had to whenever the british so pleased. A lot of laws were directly reflective of laws that the british tried to oppose with. But how "inefficient" firearms were is so beside the point. An entire law was made around guns, so that inefficiency thing you wrote is a little invalidated. Theres not a law "right to form militias", forming militias didnt win them the war. Neither did allowing anyone to own a gun. It helped, for sure militias and owning guns helped, but it was a piece to an even bigger puzzle. When I say guns "founded" america, I'm saying its one of they key pieces. Militias are a concept that have been around since the dawn of civilization. Saying militias "founded" a country doesn't sound right. And as for what you alo wrote.... Guns were a superior weapon. They werent most effective "in a volley" because of how inaccurate they were. They did that because it was the descendant of how people used to fight in europe en masse with large groups of people in pitched battles. There were many groups of people utilizing guerilla warfare around the world and causing far more damage with a firearms than their numbers would suggest they could potentially output showing the true potential of a gun from a concealed position. It had nothing to do with how inaccurate guns were. By the time the arquebus was invented, firearms were decently reliable. They werent perfectly accurate, not until rifling came along, but youd still rather have it than not have it. And yes, militias for the most part had to arm themselves. Sure youd want as many people using whatever they could.... but lets be honest, you want them to have guns. Thats how youre going to win. Arming them with guns. I mean whats the alternative? Swords? Forks? Hatchets? Pikes? Bows? Cmon now. Thats just ridiculous.
0 likes@Lance Handy I agree mostly with you except that the entire continental army was a militia. They weren’t a country yet and why would Britain allow their problem child to form an army? No these were not trained soldiers, they were just untrained countrymen that banded together into units without many resources. So in this way, militias were the reason the US won at all.
3 likes@Lance Handy and even then, in today’s world I personally could never bring myself to buy a gun. Too much could go wrong. I’d carry a knife at the most
2 likesOr maybe a non lethal weapon like a taser or stun gun
@Rachael yeah but you saying "they actually won because of militias" gives an implication that its not because of guns. They had militias for sure..... with guns. They would not have won with a militia..... without firearms. Or artillery or a leader whom understood military combat of the time. Sure they werent an army of actual soldiers, but thats because they really didnt have the time to train them to such a degree. But they did equip them. With guns. Gun control definitely was a factor in sparking the revolution. Forming militias to combat the british was esential for defnsive purposes. All that we are considering between right to bear arms and taxation without representation sparking the revolution and forming militias and organizing all that they had and could obtain to combat Britain is what obviously founded America. But to say "it was actually founded because of militias" is such a nuanced thing to say that it feels like you just want to debate. One could argue if british never try to gun control.... the colonies might not revolt. So how exactly is it wrong to say the right to bear arms didnt help found the country. Same as freedom of speech, press, religion, etc.... the bill of rights is directly relative to how and why the country was founded. Going against that is.... silly.
1 like@Mr White I'd say stupid!!
4 likes@Marcus Moore tell us the reasons how you came to the conclusion that they were criminals in this matter because no one understands what you’re talking about.
4 likes@Marcus Moore what responsibility are they supposed to take for what actions?
3 likes@CertainDeath777 America is crazy but that’s just how it’s built. The people could pretend that we don’t need guns but the people who aren’t supposed to have them will obtain them whether or not it’s legal. Those who are against them will remain defenseless.
0 likesYou’re basically accepting the fact that you will die or get raped or tortured and all that will be left is a man with a gun in police custody. Maybe.
@Lance Handy right I agree
0 likes@Mr White i think you might have some unconscious biases. Maybe you feel like you can identify with him, but not the teenagers in the car? Of course the video is essentially all him talking and not so much the guys in the other car, so maybe it feels more natural to empathize with him? Something to think about at least
6 likes@Vellarus he's your favorite content creator?
0 likes@ownagebutter yes, could be unconscious biases.
5 likesMr White I’m happy you’re trying to better yourself. Be patient and treat others of different backgrounds how you’d treat the people around you.
2 likesHe was a Narcissist. And his partner is a narcissists dream. Super submissive and gentle.
8 likes@Jon Holla they antagonized him with the loud music and disrespect those people need to be put in jail until they can learn to respect society
1 like@Marcus Moore none of the kids were criminals. Why would u lie 🤣
4 likes@Cosmic fire "Must have learned this warped way of thinking from your racist family" What a big prejudice. Are you black?
0 likes@Mr White it was a question girlie
5 likes@Mr White but I already know the answer🤣🤣its ok. Get the psychological help u need baby girl
6 likesWow, even given shock for getting arrested this person is so cold-blooded! No concern at all for the teen who was killed! That is a basic human response. The media made this man to be a hero and the teens over violent. Instead they were obnoxious, normal, boys. This man is way too deep into himself. He needs to simply face reality. He was wrong. He needs to ask forgiveness and move on.
3 likes@Mr White lol Mr White your clowning lol 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
1 likeDang
1 like@Johnson Johnson Don't know if you are right. But don't feel bad beeing a racist.
1 likeMy man Linfamy!
1 like@Professionally Correct imagine saying something that is in the bill of rights isnt what the country is built on. The right to bear arms is also to maintain a militia and the colonies militias are exactly what helped found the country. Get rekt kid.
0 likes@Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Yes he is clowning. He's sitting in his pee soaked recliner...clowning...night after miserable night this Mr. WHITE.
1 like@Jan *psychopath
0 likes@Mr White You might just value white lives over black ones AND be naive of this guys intentions if you see this and feel bad for someone who couldn’t hold his temper over music and being told he has no authority when he clearly had zero authority.
1 like@Nathanial Humphrey I hope that you follow your own advice, Mr. Humphrey.
0 likes@Lance Handy yeah own guns not freely murder with the false excuse of “self defense”
0 likesdarkallegiance666 not my real name, but hell yeah. Lmao
0 likes@Marcus Moore found the klansman
2 likes@Lance Handy america was also built on slavery yet they got rid of that
2 likes@Thomas Winters if you look at countries where guns are illegal theres much much less gun crime (take britain for example, yes a shooting happened recently but multiple probably happened in america that same day)
1 like@Nar🏆 nah
0 likes@Purposely Pondering Even crazier how he feared that "another carload of thugs" were gonna come, yet he felt brave enough to walk his dog
5 likesThis guy was a ticking bomb... according to his neighbor's testimony.
5 likes@Mr White I think you have empathy for this guy because you have experienced something similar. It is not about race. It is about people believing they can do what they want without regard that others maybe unbalanced whether it is temporary or otherwise. All these kids had to do was have a little respect and turn their music down. They didn't, they took a risk, and one lost his life. This could happen anywhere, anytime. We as people need to behave as if everyone may have a gun.
0 likes@Jan You are probably entitled, am I right?
0 likes@Lance Handy I think you are partially correct. Everyone has reached that point where you want to reach out and hurt someone, we just don't. We all need to be kind to each other, maintain respect, and act as if our every move could cause someone to shoot us. Look at the road rage . . . :-(
0 likes@Katherine ND "it is about people believing they can do what they want without regard that others maybe unbalanced" 100%
1 likeWhat would you have said if they gunned him down instead? 🤔 another day in America?
0 likesoh damn
0 likes@Drew Tou bait
0 likes@Mr White you are the kind of person that should NEVER sit on a jury !! ...or you just wrote that for the hell of it ???
3 likes@anita Stone my country unfortunately has no jury. we have professional judges. And what is "for the hell of it"?
0 likes@Vellarus m
0 likes@Rachael Not sure if anyone responded to you, but I recommend pepper spray
1 like@John R ok thanks!
0 likes@Marcus Moore Where did you get that? They were not criminals
0 likes@Purposely Pondering And order Pizza lol
0 likes@Mr White Man wanted the music turned downed, they turned it down then turned it back up. Dude shot at the car to assert dominace, i won't blame him. Shouldve just kept it down and leave
0 likesYeah it didn’t turn out that way. He did that. He took those actions
0 likes@Rachael Actually the Continental Army was a professional army with the Articles of War (the precursor to the UCMJ), an officers corps, an NCO corps, and junior enlisted men.
0 likes@Vellarus the demon youtuber named "share his vision" is not here...
0 likesAll good youtubers go to new york and see him. They kiss his dark hand and get illuminattT power. Amen
@Mr White I understand why people reacted negatively to your comment, but it seemed like a genuine question trying to figure out why you naturally react a certain way. And also maybe seeing if you have a little bias against black people that you don’t intentionally know you have. A lot of us are probably slightly racist without ever meaning to be just because of how we were raised. Good questions to think about for sure- I think we should all work on questioning our subconscious biases.
2 likes@Eli J. True words
1 like@Rachael The Vietcong was equipped with AK-47s and M53’s (among other weapons…). What do you mean? And the Patter Infantry Rifle was accurate up to 300 yards….which is what Americans would’ve been armed with during the revolution….so yes….it was pretty accurate. AR-15s have a “max effective” range of 550 yards and it’s 2021. Accuracy distance has only increased 250 yards since the Patter Infantry Rifle. As far as “so many things can go wrong” woth owning a weapon….things only go wrong if YOU don’t know how to handle it. More people are injured with knives than with guns. You should learn how to fight with a knife if that’s your preferred weapon of self-defense. Additionally, a knife is a lethal weapon - so if your worried you may accidentally kill someone stick to your pepper spray and whistles.
0 likes@Mr White lmao are you saying you're racist?
1 like@S. V. He cried on the stand talking about his dog, but shed none while talking about taking a 17 year old boys life.
0 likes@Mr White I sell bed sheets and crosses online, I can get you really good deals buying in bulk. HMU👍
0 likes@Terra_the _Nightingale I'd say he is a troll because of his name
0 likes@Lance Handy Responding the way you are does even less
0 likes@Mr White im not supposed to talk to people who light their pipe from the bottom.
0 likes@Marcus Moore being a jerk isn't illegal. Murder is.
0 likes@Purposely Pondering hey, don't underrepresent the situation. He also ordered a pizza 😂😂.
0 likeshe just like me
0 likesRepublican.... or ... Republican? Everybody's thinking it. Rittenhouse had an assault rifle. "Antifa" had a skateboard. Yeah... guns don't kill people... Anitifa neither... Sure woulda ended better if Mr. Karen didn't have that gun.
0 likesThe cop looks so tired
0 likesIf there's anything this channel taught me its the scary amount of people out there just waiting for any excuse to commit extreme acts of violence.
0 likesIf it hadn't been this black kid it would have been some other later down the line that disobeyed him or insulted him. Those saying we have to walk on eggshells in case these people kill us are naive. They will always find an excuse.
I think it's in your name.
0 likes"The last thing that I'm looking for is trouble... the last thing."
1 like- Man who causes trouble first thing.
Ah, yes... If I heard someone parked next to me threaten my life, I too would react by rolling down my window like, "Parden me, sir?"
0 likesSo the guy just killed a black teenager for playing loud music and the best story to justify his actions, that he could come up with in 22 hours, is still full of racism. Now hes sitting in front of a black policeman, tells this story and seriously thinks he sounds reasonable?
2 likesThis is hard to watch in a YouTube video. That Interrogator must have nerves of steel.
I remember when this happened. Anybody from Jacksonville will tell you that the Baymeadows area is so not "hood"! I would've loved to have been able to raise my Children over there but it's a little too pricey for my budget! The schools are better and it's not much crime there! 💙May Jordan Rest In Eternal Paradise and prayers to all that are effected by his untimely stolen loss of life!💙
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it's incredible to be able to have so much insight with your personal testimony! thank you :)
1 like@MYMBA I appreciate you! Thank you for your comment! Peace and Blessings!
0 likesEdited: Jordan's Law!! Thank you, Florida! Even the Police bump their music!! We love him and so sorry that the law was established after this Baby lost his life! My Son will be 20 tomorrow...just make us all greatful for our blessings!
When people lie they seem to do it so effortlessly. Many of us have had someone lie right to our faces all the while knowing it's a lie. Very disconcerting.
0 likesC’mon guys, go easy on him. He missed out on a fairly expensive bed and breakfast.
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😱😱😱
19 likes90 years sentence
33 likesthose things alone are good
52 likesBut BOTH together??? man that must be the worst thing to miss :(
😂😂😂😂😂
1 likeHe’ll probably get breakfast in prison. And a bed. He won’t be sharing either with who he expected though.
24 likesI learned empathy today
14 likesWell he don't gotta worry those are free for him now, and they suck..
12 likesFair enough
1 likeI now understand that reference
0 likesLol
0 likesI don’t get it
0 likesYeah, waaaah I got shot. These blacks need to learn
0 likesMichael Dunn led me to invest into Bitcoin back in 2011, weird but he made me rich😫😫🤐😑
0 likesThank you Micahel Dunn@olive oil
1 likeLmao in my town too
0 likes😂😂
0 likes😆🤣 right go as easy on him as he was top those children in that parking lot
0 likes@Mike Russo he would get conjical visits with his spouse in prison though right?
1 likeAnd now he's got bed, breakfast, lunch and dinner free for the rest of his life. And he'll never be lonely, ever.
5 likesYaaa that's probably why he was rushing and got irritated over some noise. He just can't wait! <3
1 likeHe GOT his bed and breakfast !!
1 like@Snakeybakey they broke up
0 likes😂😭
0 likesYep, priorities
1 like“What was the purpose of shooting the rear passenger door”
2 likes“To save my life”
“From the door?”
😹😹😹😹that remark from the cop made me laugh for 5 mins
That mugshot just looks evil, that’s all I need to see. Also, love how he’s adding random new shit on the stand 🙄
1 likeThis guy shoots off 10 rounds, drives off, orders a pizza, takes dog for a walk, drives home and not once did he call police.
2 likesKills a kid and says it sucks to be charged with murder.
Rhonda needs to move on.
All because music was loud.
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So? That's just a normal Saturday night for me.
1 likeThe fact that he thinks he’s the victim is crazy
1 likeImagine firing ANY SHOTS and thinking that you can just *drive off*. That is literally never ok, self-defense or not.
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They should have the island boys as his cellmates and sing rap lyrics all night.
103 likes@Hood atheist it would make me tie my sheets together and dangle from the sink in the cell
31 likesratio
3 likesPretty ok with it in the Rittenhouse case. Had he been able to drive off after the first guy, one more guy and one more bicep would still be with us.
7 likes@Hood atheist Dunn is making rap himself. Listen to "Excuse Me, Can You Turn Dat Down" and "Sticka Shank In Me, I'm Dunn".
22 likesYou can leave the scene if you have to, but to not report it ASAP is a very very bad idea
13 likesAnd what should I be waiting for? For counter fire/revenge?
3 likes"That is literally never ok, self-defense or not"
6 likesUm.. why not?
@Bob Frostmourne because you can’t just shoot someone and leave and not report it? Do you want to be charged with a crime? Because you will be charged with a crime.
19 likes@bloodrune329 You didn't say "not report it". You just said "drive off".
5 likesYou are totally allowed to drive off after shooting someone, making what you said wrong.
@Bob Frostmourne They said "*just* drive off". That is, drive off and do nothing else.
7 likes@Joel Polowin 'Just' can also just mean to put emphasis on what follows it, as I just did in this sentence.
0 likes@Bob Frostmourne Your first use of the word in that sentence means "merely"; the second, "a tiny bit previously". Neither is merely emphasis.
3 likesNow, what @bloodrune329 wrote isn't literally true. Obviously, it's physically possible to merely drive away; that's what Dunn did, after all. One can't do so without risking serious consequences. One mustn't merely drive away. But the meaning of the original is pretty clear.
@Joel Polowin "Merely" means only... that is NOT how the word 'just' was being used in my sentence the first time. Why would anyone use a word that means 'merely' immediately after using the word 'also'?? That wouldn't make any sense.
0 likes"But the meaning of the original is pretty clear."
No, it wasn't, as evidenced by the fact that multiple people in this thread have interpreted his claim to be focused on the driving away and not at all on the reporting. Using a word with like 6 different definitions in an ambiguous way is not 'pretty clear' dude.
@bloodrune329 ...WRONG... Even if he didn't report it, he could still easily walk if it's proven he was shot at first. I have seen felons with guns not report incidents and walk. (maybe charged with illegally possessing a firearm) but the shooting declared self-defense with NO CHARGES AND DECLARED A JUSTIFIABLE SHOOTING.
1 like@Mark “I have seen…” anecdotal evidence does not mean anything.
2 likes@bloodrune329 Great analysis Einstein, but in ACTUAL cases these have been dismissed by the prosecuting DA as self defense with NO charges pursued. Is that "anecdotal evidence?"
1 likeNow go troll someone who knows less than you...lol
@Mark uhhhh I heard this story one time about it happening! Doesn’t apply to actual law.
0 likes@bloodrune329 No actual law basically states if someone fires a weapon at me first, I have the right to defend myself why do you think they throw out clear cut cases of self-defense and never even have a trial?
2 likesPlease quit embarrassing yourself and hit those law books, son
@Mark right, so you definitely won’t look suspicious when you shoot someone and drive away.
0 likesAt a gun range it seems to be fine to shoot off a bunch of shots and just drive off .....? Context is key...
1 like@sq33qs ...lol... I don't think bloodrune329 will understand the logic in that, or our LAWS and RIGHT TO SELF-DEFENSE
0 likesYou can leave if you still fear for your life but you need to contact police right away. He obviously feared prosecution not loss of life. He was just pissed that he couldn't boss the kids around so resorted to a fire arm like a true coward.
0 likes@Bob Frostmourne you're the only dude struggling here
0 likes@ReyCo47 Wait for the police in the middle of shootout? Simply clever
1 likeTotally. Even if you were in a threatening environment, if you were legit in self defense you would call the cops yourself at the first opportunity when you d fled to safety EDIT: lol... i should have waited a bit. Exactly the first antagonistic question the police officer asks
1 likeA fact !!!
0 likes@Robert Gaudet yeah, except Kyle went directly to police. He didn’t go order pizza and walk his dog.
0 likesHe left because he knew he was in the wrong!
0 likesHonesty, call a lawyer first
0 likesi’m proud of rhonda for not trying to lie to cover up her fiancés actions. good woman.
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@Setryon N1 he committed a (most likely racially motivated) murder, and you want her to lie for him?
517 likes@therealslimsadie ngl he does have a point, we dont know why he did that i also assume its racially motivated…. But if someone loved someone so much they probs would lie for them lol
60 likes@Eek that’s just wrong
260 likes@therealslimsadie I mean of course it is wrong because your stopping justice, but a lot of people I know will lie to save someone they care about the most, as seeing them go is worse for a partner/spouse that have a lot of importance in peoples life… dont twist what i said, i never said it was right, just said he had a point lol
54 likes@Eek and i really didn’t mean that for you personally, it was just a comment on how wrong it is for someone to pause justice, especially in a case like this. im so sorry i didnt mean for it to come off wrong!
68 likes@Eek This is not like a stealing situation...I'm sure she will lie for him in those type of situation....but a life was involved in this so she absolutely did the right and acceptable thing
57 likesYep. She deserves props for that.
21 likes@Eek Lying is one thing, perjury is a felony that can send you to prison for years
25 likes@Skylar Why is my name being thrown out, i literally said its wrong because your stopping justice but its a hypothetical scenario that shows the other guy’s comment points
5 likes@Eek Could you imagine a black dude not standing up for another black dude?
5 likes@Eek I disagree, I think this shows she has really good morals here.
28 likes@Eek not if you have a spine
3 likes@Bb "Could you imagine a black dude not standing up for another black dude?"
9 likesYes. Kanye West. Flies away
@kunkkaralho™ Kanye West is half white.
0 likes@Bb Are you saying that it is his white side not standing up for another black dude?
15 likes@kunkkaralho™ Either that or he is just confused. Do you consider Bob Marley as black or white?
2 likes@Bb I'd say that, for me, the color of the skin doesn't really matter since we're all the same. But to answer you specifically I'd say that he doesn't look caucasian to me.
3 likes@kunkkaralho™ Caucasian also includes North Africa and the Horn of Africa.
1 like@Bb Depends on what your sources are, but I shall agree with that statement. Doesn't mean that Kanye or Bob Marley 'look' caucasian.
4 likes@Setryon N1 Im sorry dude, but if you can call this clearly compationate, humane woman a ''snake'' for realizing she married a violent monster... I have to ask you - do you have any social interactions?
21 likes@Setryon N1. .Are you drunk?
4 likes@Bb. . .There's no such thing as "half white". Have you ever spoken to a black person in your life?
2 likes@Bingbong Bang Then he is half black.
2 likes@Eek Wrong.
6 likesNo moral person would lie in those circumstances.
@Maltina Maltina bro you need to learn to read, tf i am wrong about i clearly i said i know its wrong because your stopping justice but the other guy comment has a point
4 likes@Eek Just read the entire thread and you are despicable. Just kidding. The lack of context in everyone's responses were hilarious though.
2 likesAlso, you are most definitely right. When people (to be clear, humans) get put in these high pressure situations they dont always make the right decision, or follow their own moral compass. Although in my humble opinion, this one was an uncontested layup. Easy decision. This guy is basically making her an accessory with his lies on the stand. She knew he broke the law by open firing and leaving the scene. Even if she realized in the car ride back to the hotel, or on the news the next day. Duvall County had to contact them in Brevard County. Hindsight is always 20/20.
@Isis Smith That would explain why Rhonda seemed so nervous and distressed when she was on the stand. She literally had to face her potentially abusive fiance and tell the truth to his face. If she was abused then that takes some serious guts. A lot of abuse victims struggle to come forward since they are convinced that no one will help them or that no one will believe them.
3 likes@Killbillfanaqui i do appreciate you, your like the few people on this comment who can read loool, and i 100% agree with you lol, your moral point is what this comment section doesn’t understand, and its toxic lmao :/
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0 likes@Maltina Maltina I think love can be more important for some than morals
0 likes@therealslimsadie she was engaged to a racist. She heard that her husband killed someone because of “loud music,” & suggested they “go home.” I don’t think she’s as good of a person as everyone is making her seem
1 like@ChiefinASmith all i’m saying is that she didn’t lie on his behalf. that’s all i’m mentioning here
4 likes@Kevin Jabroni you’re disgusting for even saying that. she was correct for telling the truth about what happened. you need to get your morals straight my friend
8 likes@therealslimsadie true
0 likes@Eek personally, i think that nobody should lie for the one they love if it involves something like murder
7 likes@Quinn Mae "I hate that thug music" "more thugs might come for me" mentioning he heard "something something cracker", his language around them is definitely... questionable...
9 likes@therealslimsadie love backward is evol lol no but theres love that vile.
1 like@Eek I'm glad Rhonda isn't too blinded by love to do the right thing.
2 likes@Setryon N1 or maybe she was shocked that someone she was gonna marry is capable of such a thing over something so small. She could’ve been thinking it could’ve been her
6 likesShe also stayed with him though 🤔
1 likeDamn she cooked his ass. She didn’t want any parts of that situation
1 like@Eek I don't love anyone enough to cover for them maliciously committing a crime.
3 likes@Quinn Mae The video is a fraction of the truth. He had a neighbor who told authorities he wasn't at all surprised it happened because he was violent to his spouses, talked all the time about how he hated minorities, and even asked his neighbor how to get a hit on someone.
3 likesHe's an awful person.
Are you absolutely sure rhonda was honest.
0 likes@JK1988 what motive or benefit could she have had to tell that store? She actually had a motive to say the opposite. Not only that the evidence backs up everything she said.
2 likesI’d lie like no other to protect my wife.
2 likesShe left him... And why wasn't she charged in some manner? She said let's go instead of let's call 911
1 likeThat is by far the thing I am most impressed by after having seen most of the other videos on the channel.
1 likeThis comment section is pretty aweful...
1 like@HexFire03 why?
1 likeI would lie for my brother and I don’t like him. No matter if he wiped out a whole continent.
2 likesbetrayed by his own girl friend
0 likes@therealslimsadie No proof it was racially motivated
0 likes@Patrick Schaan If you’d lie to protect your wife after she murdered a teenager, you’re not noble, you’re selfish to the point of evil.
3 likesShe’s been wanting him out of her life clearly lol
0 likes@Eek it’s absolutely racially motivated. Well said
4 likes@Eek happened recently with Peter Spencer
0 likes@Eek Personally speaking, it doesn't matter how much I love someone if they do something horrible I'm not covering it up for them, part of loving someone is accepting they have faults and they can fuck up and if all you're doing is telling them they're perfect you're halting their growth as a person.
3 likes@Eek he said she was the love of his life not the other way around
0 likes@Quinn Mae because he’s white and he attacked black people. It’s not like that happens the other way around ALL THE TIME or anything…
1 like@Eek nah if you love someone you hold them accountable for there actions
1 like@DrxpGod XX at this point everyone like you, replying to me cant read🥴
0 likes@DrxpGod XX bro can you not read ffs, its annoying how you all twist what i said apart from 1 comment 🤦♂️
0 likes@Eek And take a felony charge for lying under oath???
0 likes@therealslimsadie Yes.
0 likes@Setryon N1 Maybe.. she didn't approve of his murdering a teenager?
1 like@Quinn Mae It must be great to be so willingly naive. Of course Dunn didn't say "I shot at them because they were black and I'm just a big old racist." . Remember how in the phone call at the beginning of the video, he called them animals? But I guess if the murder he commited doesn't show you he is a racist, you will never believe it.
2 likes@therealslimsadie plenty of people,of all shades and religions,lie for their loved ones,to keep them out of prison.If you think they don’t,then you are very naive.
0 likes@Elk Femur She's a nurse which makes her a healer as Jesus is GOoD but in her case, she was an enabler of hate which is evil. This hate crime was her wake up call.
1 likeIf my bf did something like this he would be dead to me. I only have unconditional love for my mom, grandma and sister
1 likeYeah. But I hate when women use that cute little whispery voice
1 likeShe'd be an idiot to lie either way. There was already multiple witnesses. Her lying would only get her into trouble. As it is I'm surprised she wasn't brought up on charges for leaving the scene, not immediately calling police, etc.
2 likesshe's taking very serious the vow she gave to remain truthful
1 like@kunkkaralho™ Kanye is a real one
0 likesyes , it must have been very hard on her too, totally agreed
0 likesTook a lot of courage to do that but if I’m in the situation I’m definitely lying to save em lol
0 likesBless her heart!
0 likes@Bingbong Bang Factually wrong.
0 likes@Bb no he’s not. Y’all just say whatever to make a point. You told a blatant lie on a thread about lying. Weirdo.
1 like@Michael Stinnett Misinformation
0 likesHe strikes me as a bully and she probably knew it better than most.
0 likes@Sir Dankleberry. . .But culturally accurate. Perhaps you've heard of the single drop rule.
0 likes@Eek im on Eeks side here, i think people are either scared to agree out of social pressure, or they have never truly loved another person
0 likes@Bingbong Bang Doesn't matter. If one of your parents is black and the other is white then you are half of both.
0 likesyeah your proud of her for snitching cuzz loyalty means nothing to you.
1 likeIf I'm ever going to be a angry old gun owning American I'll need a nice subservient wife that will lie for me
2 likesBoah , Definitely don't see that these days Lbs these females will go to jail to keep the dude from going SMH #DamnShame #SheTight #RealWoman #SheSolid
0 likesBETA!!!
1 likeYour standards are pretty low.
0 likes@Eek Perhaps Ego Motivated is a better term for his over reaction.
1 likeWhy? You're proud of her for doing the BARE MINIMUM of what was required to this country? If I was her, he would never hear a word from me again, except in the courtroom.
2 likesImagine the guilt too, it was her idea to stop for the wine. She probably blames herself, especially with the idea that they were in an abusive relationship.
2 likes@Wildfire Huh
0 likesShe knows he shot at a car, but proceeds to just go back to the hotel? No thought to leave him. In the morning she knows he killed someone with those shots and just wants to go home? No thought to leave and call the police? Only until she is confronted by police does she decide to talk? BS, she was complicit, and decides to save her own skin by appearing to cooperate and be law abiding.
0 likesYou can tell Rohnda feels soooo guilty when she didn’t have anything to do with it. She feels responsible for wanting to stop for wine, we’re as Mike seems emotionless and careless about killing the kid.
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Though TBH I think it's for the best (for her, obviously not for the kid) - she still has time to rebuild her life while this psycho was volatile the entire time, he'd snap someday so not only she'd suffer way more if she'd been his wife for 10-20 years and that happened or if he'd actually snap at her.
71 likesHe was probably blaming her and telling her it’s her fault, he seems like the type
77 likesHe convinced him self so he can live with himself. But honestly I think he just wanted to prove a point that he was in charge.
19 likesTypical narcissist/empath relationships
26 likesWhere as*
6 likesJordan H Thank you grammar police
5 likesI can't even imagine how terrible she feels. She spoke out against someone she loved. During the events she probably felt so scared, confused, and alone. She didn't do anything wrong, those kids didn't do anything wrong. No one in this situation deserves what they go other then the racist, shitty, old fuck that took someone's life over some music
29 likesMy heart went out to her. Bless her for telling the truth and bless those people and the families.
5 likes@B T Well if you're done, why assume something in the style of a question before you say you're done? Are you not going to give me an opportunity to answer it?
0 likesashleelmb it’s a brand new concept called a “rhetorical question.” It’s what you use when you don’t respect someone enough to give a shit about their answer.
9 likesI think she feels so guilty because it was her that wanted to go to the gas station in the first place.
2 likes@SkatieSadiemator You may have just reminded me why as an empath I'm no longer in such a relationship, and why I'm so wary of it in the future.
2 likesRonda is a dope
0 likesKeep raising your left hand Rhonda keeps raising your left hand you dope
0 likes@Noelia Who? The killer or the guy I just had an argument with?
0 likes@Noelia how was my argument a strawman? Their second comment (which you might not be able to see anymore because it got downvoted so much) was saying that the music they were listening to displayed their attitudes and in turn meant that they were dangerous and deserved to be shot. I simply said that if he believes that then it must go for all kids who listen to rap. I did not distort or misrepresent their argument, I took exactly what they said to a larger scale because they also said in that comment they were proud of being racist.
0 likes@Noelia the fact remains that I didn’t distort their argument, I used exactly what they said and applied it to all kids to try and make them see how terrible it was. If you want to pick apart my verbiage to discredit my point, go ahead. But all your doing is making an admitted racist feel better about saying that black kids deserve to be killed for being normal teenagers. Is that what you want?
0 likes@Noelia I’m absolutely not doing it with you. I told you the what the result of what you’re doing is and legitimately asked if you if that is what you want. I assumed nothing for you. You act as if you are not allowed to ask questions in a discussion. Do you think it is exaggeration to say that telling someone to not entertain an opposing argument validates them?
0 likesits so crazy every time the officer brings up the fact that the kid is dead he doesn't even comment on it at all, he's and idiot and Rohnda is brave for telling the truth
1 like@Richard Ogura smart comment, I see eye to eye With you.
0 likesRhonda is a sweetheart. I hope she's doing alright.
1 likeGuys, this just shows why you don't get married. She'll throw you under the bus. And then a bunch of women on youtube will agree with her.
1 like@Patrick Mccarthy W⚓
0 likes@Jazza BigHits That speaks to your character
0 likes@Elp Smith Thank you :) Hope you have a good day
0 likes@Jazza BigHits Not really a compliment but have a good day
0 likes@Elp Smith Oh, you were being sarcastic? Well there's no need to be rude. I hope any partner you have in the future can look past your imperfections and you can be happy. :)
0 likes@Jazza BigHits 🤣
0 likes@Elp Smith I'm not being sarcastic, I genuinely hope that you (and everyone in these comments) is able to find a partner who is loyal and loves them. Regardless, you're entitled to your opinion on the matter (and of me). Take it easy dude :)
0 likesI feel so bad for her, she seems to think she is partly responsible because she wanted a bottle of wine...
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I don't think so. I think she was just traumatized by the fact that she loved and almost married a totally sick and disgusting man who had the violent potential of spontaneously committing a cold-blooded murder in front of her and she was obviously afraid for her life as she testified against him as one of the most crucial witnesses, not knowing for sure how long he'll be locked up (if at all).
112 likesThat's a terrible situation for her: Either she decides to support her fiancee and takes the huge risk of being convicted as a partner in a serious crime, including false testimony etc. or she decides to be honest and takes the huge risk of eventually getting murdered by this man (who is obviously capable of doing that) as an act of revenge. And that's far more terrible than believing, that you are in some abstract way complicit in murdering a victim, that - let's be honest - you almost know nothing about and can't really relate to (in her case)
I see her concern in that singular moment as more of a fear that she's coming off as a drunk in a court of law. After tossing a few back, its still not enough and she needs to get more wine after the party. I think that particular scene upset her because she feels her character is going to be questioned as not being respectable, and possibly even not reliable.
64 likes@TJ you're probably right, yeah. Maybe even both a little bit... But god damn, if you can't get fucking smashed on the day of your (step)sons wedding, I don't know when you could at all.
30 likes@TJ That's an interesting thought, actually. Tbh, about halfway through the video I already completely forgot about all the events that led to the 'victor' parking next to the victim. Maybe you and Potato Fury are really onto something here. I can very well imagine, that she was already drunk and repeatedly demanded from her fiancee in an aggressive tone to pull over at the nearest store where she could get more alcohol. And maybe that annoyed him to the point where loud 'thug-music' would be enough to go totally berserk, although (of course) that wouldn't excuse his behavior even in the slightest bit.
9 likesBut it could be an indication, that she really felt either ashamed (your theory) and/or partly responsible (Potato's theory) because of what she had done prior to the crime. And we don't even know if HE was intoxicated, do we? Gosh, I thought after watching this video, there are no (important) questions left to be asked, but apparently I just didn't pay enough attention to the details...
Idk I don’t feel sympathetic to a person who has just been told their fiancé just shot multiple times at a car full of people and didn’t think to call the police? Or even sympathize with the guy, even when she just found out he murdered an innocent boy! It’s sick
18 likes@Mackenzie Kohlhorst are you really gonna call the cops when a murderer is sitting next to you especially as a woman who is weaker psychically.
29 likesUnless she stayed in the store and the store owner called the police then maybe.
@Chad K Where do you get the idea it's fake? That some people, particularly women and children, when scared, unconsciously make themselves smaller and quieter? Some women, in particular, talk this way all the time based on their background, trying not to take up too much space or call attention to themselves. Believe me, it's not fake. It's a self-protection strategy. A lot of women have to train themselves not to talk like that, to be more assertive just to sound "normal." If you've never run across anyone in your life like that before you likely will at some point if you're paying attention.
42 likesmarocstars well I don’t think I’d be getting in the car with a murdered no, he told her before they got into the car that he had fired his gun. Idk it’s just common sense to me.
1 likePeter Parker I think it’s both. At first she probably felt guilt but once shock wore off she realized it was all him. Cause remember she didn’t see any of it
2 likes@Mackenzie Kohlhorst charges should be placed on both of them. She knew he did this yet left the seen. She did nothing to contact police. She is an adult and should be held accountable. No one forced her into his car note prevented her from doing the correct thing.
4 likes@CalderaXII I completely agree BUT they should have taken a taxi instead of drink driving.
0 likes@Chad K I'm glad that you explained that you're just talking about some women 🧐😁 One of my brothers had a gf like that, fortunately he left her and escaped to travel the world a few years ago. Some women can definitely be manipulative, as some men can be of course, and those types of people spit in the face of true victims. I think we need to give fake victims tough sentences, and we need to do it before they turn into Jodi Arias! Edit: to be clear I don't know if this woman is being manipulative or not, I fully blame her husband in this case.
4 likes@Ariana AJ Beaverhausen oh, yeah. Absolutely
0 likesAbsolutely 100% she does
0 likesYou kinda notice something about this guy pretty quick. Like he doesn't process things around him quite correctly. You get a sense that he's constantly concerned with being viewed as cool, and competent maybe. I don't know, but there's just something off behind his eyes. So that makes me wonder about her.. I'd say, from what's in the video. Whatever is going on with his head it can flare up to make him dangerous, and unpredictable. He shouldn't be out in charge of himself. I don't think his girlfriend merits much more than a good chewing out for not gathering the courage to figure out what happened herself. She might not be a strong thinker, or maybe has other issues. Maybe not.
5 likesI don't think there's enough here to assume she was hollering him into the parking lot. Pretty likely he served her a bill of goods to downplay the situation once they left the scene though.
rhywnn I agree wholeheartedly, good point.
0 likes@It Really Doesn’t Matter Yeah, all that makes sense.
0 likesI don't quite buy that she's a good, thoughtful person yet.
You feel bad for a woman that saw the news and told him to leave instead of calling the cops (which she could’ve done herself instead of eating a whole pizza with him and go to sleep) or instead of suggest to drive him to the police station instead? She had many options, many!
2 likes@Chad K pretty sure she probably is shaken up by the whole thing... of course this comment comes from a Chad🤣🤣
3 likesShe seems like a genuine person
0 likes@Chad K You don't know for certain if it's an "act", she looks genuinely terrified to me. You can't say "women" as if referring to all women, just because "some women" do that. I don't know if you've ever been a victim of manipulation and false accusations and I'm sorry if you have but that doesn't mean you can go painting every person black because of your view. Hate breeds hate. What this lady exhibits is a normal response when someone is traumatised and scared, men are just as capable to be deceptive and play the victim just like women are, look at how Michael Dunn displayed human emotions when he thought about the love of his life (most likely because she was the perfect spouse for narcissistic supply so really he's crying for himself because he's about to lose that..but that's another topic). Really, we should just be grateful that she served her part in the justice for that young boy, she told the detectives everything she recalled and her statements helped execute the case. So before you spit venom at people, remember, you don't know them, their story and where they came from.....I mean you wouldn't shoot someone because you THOUGHT they had a shotgun would you?..don't be that guy, no one likes that guy.
4 likes@Chad K He's her fiance, she's been living with this guy for many years and fucking loves him, would you rather believe his story or that he just murdered some random innocent kids for no reason? Do you know something called love? It changes your way of thinking.
3 likesI completely agree with you when it comes to women acting like the victims. I've seen this my entire fucking life, I'm well aware how they do it and how to see through it. After a while you learn how to read people. And I'm fucking sure of one thing, she's literally an angel who's been manipulated by a narcissistic disgusting trash human being. She's one of those nurses that will smile genuinely and ask you 50 times if everything is ok, cus she means it.
When it comes to her voice, she's just like that, narcissists find "small" and weak people to manipulate easyli. It's how it works. Why? because they are innocent and loving people, they don't see they are getting manipulated cus they don't even believe that is a possibility.
And for the other guys, no she doesn't fear him taking revenge, nor she fears being seen as a drunk. It's a natural emotion when you lose something you loved until that moment, which is her entire life, that is falling apart in front of her. She also blames herself for stopping there just to get a single bottle of wine (to end an amazing day so far in a relaxing way).
If you wanna blame someone, blame it on the narcissistic racist pig who escalated everything cus of his fucking ego. If this happened to one of you some day and people insulted you, blamed you, claimed you were guilty, while you were completely innocent, you wouldn't be happy about it.
Well, had she not wanted to indulge in alcohol, it wouldn't have happened. Furthermore, she was driving around with a man who was drinking and driving, so yes, it is partially her fault.
0 likes@Chad K Considering she wasn't up for the role of victim (except as a close call for almost marrying this creep) and she was the one who told the truth without basing it on opinion, what's your point? I stand by my earlier statement. A person's voice often changes when they're scared. Training and practice can help. Talking to police, talking at a trial, public talking in general are fairly universal things that make people nervous. You don't think cops know the difference?
1 like@Peter Parker And she testified against him. And that testimony (he claimed he mentioned her several times the kids had a shotgun, but she denied that) could have been what convinced the jury that he was lying.
0 likes@Praevasc Yeah, she definitely played a key role in this whole trial. No camera footage and no additional eye-witnesses, besides the friends of the victim who would (theoretically) have very good reasons to lie about the alleged "shotgun"/"stick"
0 likes@rhywnn she shouldn't be charged, lol
0 likesGuys, this just shows why you don't get married. She'll throw you under the bus. And then a bunch of women on youtube will agree with her.
1 like@Jazza BigHits the dude killed someone for no reason. Don't do that & you'll have a much greater chance of your wife standing by you😅
2 likes@TJ she was one of the most sober people in the state of Florida that night, so I'm not sure she should feel judged.
0 likes@Jazza BigHits i hope you're trolling
0 likesRhonda's bravery in saying he never mentioned a weapon of any kind is unfathomable. Speaking truth against your loved one to honor the unrighteous murder of a child seems like the obvious action, but I believe she walked the narrow path here and I commend her for upholding justice.
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im confused. It's unfathomable and she said he never mentioned a gun (which is siding with the ex is it not)? and then you commend her? IS there a typo or am I brain dead lol
17 likes@TheBMan I can't remember exactly, but I THOUGHT she was telling the judge/jury that he never mentioned HIS gun, even though he said he told her about it. It sounded like she testified against her fiance, which would have been a hard thing to do. If that's not what happened, then I am actually the one who is confused. I'll watch this again and see if I can figure out what's going on and if I need to rescind my commendation.
22 likes@TheBMan 55:15 is when the part I'm referring to starts, ending at 57:22. Micheal refuses to state how many times he told Rhonda the kid he shot had a gun, saying "if I told her, I told her in the car at the hotel and on the drive home." When pressed he said at least once, and when pressed again defended himself saying "You weren't there." No doubt a tactic of his attorney. Then when Rhonda was asked, multiple times, if he had mentioned them having a gun, she said "No" everytime, meaning she testified that he never told her they had a gun, and he weakly testified that he probably told her at least once they had a gun. It's in his favor to convince the jury they had a gun so it looks like self defense. It is not in his favor for his fiancee to repeatedly say he never told her they had a gun, especially if he says he did. So yeah, as far as I can tell, she testified against him, and I'd say good on her for that.
62 likes@No Diggity Nah it was 4am tbhlol
4 likesgotchya thanks
6 likesRight I praise her also for that and she should acknowledge that the simple fact of buying a bottle of wine helped her save her life and future imagine sparing your life w such a horrible inhuman being, Best,
26 likes@Antonieta Sicsik pretty terrifying to think about, yeah!
3 likesI'm watching this for the first time- and she was so brave and honest. I started crying for her. She also tried to tell him stop "talking" on the jail phone which made sense-but she did not take sides-you could tell she was struggling with all of this, trying to support him, but not the murder!! Brave lady as I too believe that was a burden to carry- But she must count her blessings that she did not end up with this total loser.
47 likes@SISTAH SISTAH well put
1 like“Unfathomable” I love how we just throw words around
0 likesI feel so bad for her, she seems like such a sweet lady.
16 likesI know right, you can tell it was hard for her.
2 likesxZed oh thank god you're here to tell people how they should verbalize their feelings. please tell us an alternative word you would have used without sounding pretentious, o great one
8 likesbut yeah. op, you're right. that kind of bravery is unfathomable. especially considering dunn's history with women. i hope and pray for nothing but rhonda and the victims' families to find peace after all this. they were all tossed into a fatal and traumatic situation bc of one racist man. for her to go against her fiancé's testimony when it was very likely he could have been acquitted/released, is very brave. if dunn was willing to kill over loud trap music, god knows how he could have retaliated against her for providing testimony that conflicted against his
@some idiot you're correct. She really was putting herself at risk with what she said, but she stood with justice and that honored that poor boy who was murdered and his grieving family.
8 likesThat woman's strength is immeasurable.
4 likesWhat child?
0 likes@The Bringer of Salt I thought I heard them say the boy who died was 17. Perhaps I'm mistaken. Regardless of his age though, he was young and his parents lost a child. Even if he were a young man, the sentiment holds.
8 likes@ra I doubt it, only because this lie hurts her fiancee case, so why would she. Unless she wants him to go to jail.
4 likes@ra Can I ask you why you are questioning her character? I can only speculate as to your reasoning, whether it be simply out of fairness, or a feeling that maybe she was lying, but what confuses me is why you'd be trying to highlight these possible flaws. Her testimony against her fiancee was to his detriment. Additionally, like I said before, the truth she told - the one about him never telling her about the kid having a gun - helped bring him to conviction, by proving he explicitly lied to the prosecution about having told her that they did pull a weapon on him. So, please, tell me, why try and soil her character, and to what end? Do you think Micheal Dunn was justified? Innocent even? If so, what proof to the contrary of the final ruling do you have? Please, enlighten me.
3 likes@ra True enough. There is definitely always a possibility she is lying. I don't like or dislike her personally. I don't know her. It only seems her testimony was honest, more honest than his. But your statement does stand, "She might be lying."
4 likesAnd yeah she made a mistake by not immediately calling the cops or forcing him to stay there after shooting and possibly killing someone. She failed at that. She was probably scared and that's not a good reason, but it doesn't take away from the fact that she testified against him.
Now the contention... WHY would she lie and say he never said they had a gun? Especially when that lie HURTS her fiancee. Presumably she'd want to protect him. Why lie to hurt her fiancee? Because she wanted him in jail because she hates him? Your reasoning that "it could be a lie" is sound, irrefutable even, but you have failed to speculate whyyyyy she would lie to put her fiancee in jail. Consider that her lie brought justice too, because it did. It helped to jail him. That's what I'm asking. WHY did she lie? To what end?
@ra Now that... That was a damn good response. You must be a lawyer, or a psychologist or something, because that was some seriously well thought out and beleiveable mental gymnastics. Well said.
0 likesObviously I still would commend her but I may now add the statement "even if she was just trying to get back at him for something". Even then I would only say that because no weapon of any kind was ever found. Not that there wasn't a weapon, to be fair - I know you'll insist there is no way we can ever be sure that there was no weapon - but only going of the evidence presented in court that no weapon was recovered in or around the crime scene.
But, yeah, ra, you presented your case well, thorough, and without resorting to personal insult as is rampant in YouTube comments sections. So yeah, I tip my hat to you.
@ra But isn't that the beauty of the system? Innocent until proven guilty, protecting the guilty and innocnet alike.
0 likesYou seem like the kind of person that would find the one criminal who actually was innocent and defend them on some technicality, save their life, literally, and then years later the actually culprit would be caught and justify your defense. It could be epic.
@ra Well I am certainly no expert on the law or the system nor have I looked at the numbers but that is certainly a pretty hard stance to take. More power to you though. I just don't know enough to make the decision myself. I've never really known any one personally who was convicted without good evidence. I had an older cousin sentenced for crimes he admitted to, and I had cousin's husband (still in trial) who murdered my cousin and their two children in a drug induced rage who is definitely guilty though his lawyer is looking to get his sentence reduved for the fact that he was not of sound mind. (The case is that of Oscar Daniel Espinoza of California if you're interested in looking it up.) So my view is biased anecdotally for having worked in favor of the innocent for all cases I know of personally.
0 likes@ra That's fair. Mob mentality is like a virus and rarely beneficial. You are right. For example, I imagine if I we're Micheal's brother, I'd feel he were justified fully in his actions.
0 likesShe's not brave she's simply saying the truth she wasn't threatened there was no cost to tell the truth to her and tbh when a child gets murdered the least you can do is give up the actual criminal especially if he's a racist
1 like@Mynamesjamildude The truth isn't always easy to tell even when it's obvious. This woman was obviously scared, anybody who sees her can easily tell that. I see no reason for you to be so calous with her. She could very well fear for her life.
6 likesBesides, in my life I've realized people usually revert to something called tribalism, which is where they tend to defend those they know and have allegiance to in one form or another. Individual who overcome this are exhibiting a rare and honorable trait, which is allegiance to the truth, and should be commended for that.
Lastly, the crime isn't worse because the man is a racist. It's 100% evil because he's a murderer and killed a child. If the death had been of a a child of any ethnicity, it would have been equally as tragic, he would have been equally as evil, and his fiancee's testimony would have been equally as brave.
Child? Come now. If that "child" had done the murder your government would want to try him as an adult.
0 likes@Dáithi O'Cinnsealach A child is legally anyone under the age of 18 where he was killed. Also, as a culture, so long as that person retains their innocence we still generally consider them to be a child at that age in the United States. If, however, a child commits a heinous act of murder or some other similarly gruesome crime , they can, under certain circumstances, indeed be tried as an adult because they have lost that sense of innocence, culturally speaking. It could have been that their innocence was stripped from them against their will by a cruel parent or adult in their life, or it could have been something within them that stripped it off of them, but until the innocence is gone, yes, in the United States of America we allow murdered minors to be called children. I'm sorry if that is offensive to you, I can't imagine why, but, if you must, by all means, call him an adult. I can't see how it makes the atrocities committed against his person or the aftermath left to his grieving parents any better, but if it makes you feel better, call him an adult. It looks bad on you, but its your prerogative and I won't judge you for it.
4 likesIn a weird way though, you sort of turned this around on the victim somehow, for some unascertainable reason, which, to me is kind of disgusting, but you may have a good reason for doing so. So I'd like to offer you a chance to extrapolate a bit on why it's so bad to call a 17 year murder victim a "child." And no I'm not being facetious, I'd really like to know your reasoning.
@Luke Freeman the idea of when a human becomes an adult is a tricky one and up until last century was usually in the lower teens. It's now in the upper teens. 17 is some ways an adult and in some ways a man. I'm only pointing out that in this case everyone wants to emphasize that he was a child. Which is usually reserved for young humans. I find it hard to call a 17 year old a child and they don't like it themselves. I know legally it's such and such, but legally a lot of stuff is bullshit.
1 like@Dáithi O'Cinnsealach I get the legally part, and I would agree that the line is blurry, especially since in other western countries, as well as many other parts of the world, the age of adulthood is currently and historically much lower than 18. That being said, the maturation of modern Americans has actually been shown to be slowing down due to a change in society as a whole. It's not one thing that is determining this shift, but some examples might include increased difficulty of personal financial security for young adults due to increasing economic burden, urbanizing lifestyles leading to decreased need to fend for oneself (less dependency on oneself with an expectation that things will be provided to you in a modernized society), and a generally feeling that it's ok to nurture your children later in life. All of these things are for better or worse and I wouldn't argue in favor or against any of them, I only bring up these points in an attempt to explain that it's not this boys fault that he lives in a country with an unusually high age threshold for considering one an adult, and, for all intents and purposes, he was still a child (I was definitely just a child at the age of 17 due to all these factors and I had already lost a parent and had to act more mature as a result). So considering all that, and considering I'm a parent myself and I would still view my teenage son as a child, I thinks it's ok to call this boy, in this scenario a child, and it definitely makes no sense to insist he is not one.
0 likesSeriously, holy shit
0 likesShe was so pained having to give such damning testimony but knew it was the right thing to do, for the sake of that poor kids family and not perjure herself
@Odin Satanas I couldn't have said it better myself, Allfather Satan.
0 likeslol I love how the american people still believe that the justice system is an actual thing that exists.
0 likesIt may work on the general public thats correct. But anyone thats a cop or a government offical is above the law & can virtually do whatever they want. From killing men,women,children, all sorts of different ethnic groups you name it. I pity those that have to live over there.
@Klaus Kinski The American justice system works as well as other western countries and better than in virtually all developing countries. Does it have corruption? Yes, but all justice systems do. France is free of corruption? Britain? Canada? You're implying none of those countries suffer from individuals who would use the system for themselves against its intended purpose? That's nonsense, and naive.
1 likeSaying something cynical that has a grain of truth and with a "lol" tacked on doesn't make you right nor does it make anyone who may disagree with you, or attempt to argue against your point immediately wrong. It main gain you some troll cred, which I can appreciate, but mostly it makes you look like a spoiled brat.
What is also interesting to me is that if I, as an American, were to make a blanket statement about all citizens in a specific foreign country, such as you just did, about how they are all wrong about something, it would likely cause other people to view me as a "Nationalist" or even a "racist" if it were about a country with an ethnic demographic dissimilar to the USA. Yet somehow you feel as though you are immune to this effect. I'm not sure why you would, whether it be because you believe you're in the majority of people who dislike the United States for one reason or another, or just because you don't care what people think about you, but, I can assure you, I for one think it's riduliculous. You are of course entitled to your opinion, but maybe in the future, you could try to do just that, express something debatable as your opinion and not a fact that's so laughably obvious that anyone who may disagree with you is surely a moron.
Antonieta Sicsik yeah but if it was me, I’d think that my idea of buying a bottle of wine in a round about way also cost a 17 yr. old kid his life, and because of the POS I’m engaged to, I would feel an incredible amount of guilt. If I was her I don’t know if I could live with that kind of guilt. Maybe it’s cause I have a Jewish mother and that’s Jewish guilt talking, but I would feel a certain amount of insurmountable bystander responsibility if I was her. Like “why didn’t I just skip a bottle of wine, I was already buzzed”😢
3 likesI think by Nature she's a good person like she has a pure heart what is she doing with him or what was she doing with him is beyond me
0 likesI Remember in highschool i had a friend who fingergun shot an old lady while we were driving. He turned to me and asked "what would you do?" And i said, "call the police and probably tell them you've gone crazy." He seemed visibly insulted by that. To shorten the story we don't talk anymore.
0 likesUnrighteous??
0 likesLmao once I shopped lifted and my mom told me to lie to the police but I couldnt lie so I just told them the whole truth
1 likeYeah really. Not only is it hard to testify against a loved one, but I would fear for my life if he ever got out of jail given that's he's proven to murder out of anger.
0 likesYeah. I definitely know I wouldn't find it in me to tell the truth knowing I'd help send my fiance away
0 likesTheBMan I see you skipped reading comprehension in primary school.
0 likes@pFo Dynamite Agree to disagree.
1 likeshe had to tell the truth otherwise the police would convict her as assisting murder
0 likes@Paul Wickett That is true.
0 likes@No Diggity No doubt
0 likes@The Bringer of Salt the child who was murdered. I think he was seventeen.
0 likes@Dáithi O'Cinnsealach Yes, unfortunately it would, and that's a terrible thing. Were I in a position of power, judicial and sentencing reform would be my passionate cause, or one of them. In fact, this country needs an entire overhaul of our carceral system. We have learned how the human brain isn't fully formed until one is in his or her mid twenties or even closer to 30. The prefrontal cortex, the part of our brain responsible for logic, reasoning, and impulse control, undergoes drastic changes in adolescence. Thus, I believe juveniles should be tried as juveniles, not as adults, regardless of the crime.
0 likes@Ra Akhanaten Why do you have an ancient Assyrian stone depiction as your profile picture?
0 likes@La_Ru0921 There's no such thing as a 17 year old child.
0 likes@La_Ru0921 The complaint is that trying to rehabilitate the dregs of society is a drain on the system the productive members are keeping afloat. They think it's unfair. But then no one asked to be born and bred in the dregs. Surely they deserve a chance? Maybe. Maybe not. Depends on one's view, and there is no way to determine which is right, always struggling with a balance.
0 likesHis wife is a real one, her love for him never let her lose her morals or good heart, she just told the truth.
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She was truthful because she got in the car with him after he murdered someone, if she wasn't truthful she would of been an accomplice for sure!!
129 likesI think she was an alcoholic.
26 likesHe lied about so much the stand, pretty sick individual.
15 likeslukemanius Based on......one convenience store purchase? Seems a bit of a stretch.
127 likes@Bob Jones And you know they probably told her ass that too.
9 likes@Vidalion based on the fact that she just had a glass of wine and two rum & cokes, and sadly answered that it was her idea to go by the liquor store.
14 likes@lukemanius no, but drinking a small amount then sharing a bottle of wine when you're celebrating doesn't make you one.
108 likesWouldn’t be surprised at the way she’s acting that he was beating on her because otherwise why is she so scared of him while she was in court
25 likesSalene Brom I got that same feeling. He definitely has an abusers demeanor.
16 likesI thought same thing
0 likesI hate to burst the image of good people in the world but: She was truthful because she already gave multiple testimonies to police and would've committed perjury be saying otherwise at the trial. She too would've ended up in jail for trying to protect him.
12 likesThe guy is a real narcissistic man to not even try to prepare her to lie for him during the night of the murder. If he had any less faith in his ability to convince people of whatever he wanted to convince them, he would've made sure she was ready to give a corroborating story to the police, when the time came.
This man is truly insidious.
Don Diddy you don’t know that she told the truth though. And why does it even matter? The defendant has to prove that he killed out of fear and not out of rage. What do you think happened? It WAS fear. Can you prove something so subjective as fear? It’s a feeling! And I believe him. He might have not said anything to Rhonda about seeing a gun because he didn’t need to PROVE Rhonda that he wanted to protect her: she already knew that. He should have called a lawyer right away and even so, he would have probably been convicted. The shooter will always be convicted no matter what. There’s no right to protect yourself in this country - even if someone broke into your home at night! Well in similar scenario the guy never had a gun he intended to kill you gently by suffocating you. And maybe he just hoped you weren’t home. If your shoot you will end up in jail, the right to bear arms ain’t going to save you. And it’s sad that we live in a world like this, where you must PROVE you are afraid for your and your partners life. Really?. What would you do? I mean you are confronted by 5 menacing loud teenagers, right in your face, do you have any chance of overpowering them?. No way. This is the stuff they write in the papers - about this sort of stuff happening at the gas station. If I saw/heard people like this I would be running, driving away, blasting off!
1 likeI believe she told the truth because she was afraid for herself. She did not want to chance getting in trouble for lying about for her murdering fiancé and seeing herself possibly in prison as hell.
2 likes@James Volk I think she probably did, she just knew how stupid she was for talking with the police. They both were. He just hadn't accepted how stupid it was yet.
0 likesBecause she's a decent human being that felt compelled to do the right thing, even though she hated doing it. That pie e of shit should really feel like shit for putting her through that.
1 likeAot of drinks, for who?
3 likes5 drinks in 6-7 hours?
After a son's wedding?
If that was true, half the reception would join AA. LOL
Of course, I'm sure the blow increased his tolerance.😳
Imagine how the inmates adore his annoying his whiney, and racist arrogance!
Hahaha!
RIP Jordan...
Rhonda realized, "No move, you f up! No BJ tonight!
1 likeOr. Ever.
She stabbed her partner in the back. In most places they would have disappeared her after snitching on her man like that.
1 like@Akoyash yes it is. And it's not even relevant if it's a small amount or not. One drinking session does not indicate alcoholism. Getting drunk doesn't make someone an alcoholic. If that is hard to understand then I'm not sure what to say.
3 likes@lukemanius it doesn’t matter if she was/is or an alcoholic or not. Substance misuse/abuse does not make someone a bad person. She told the truth even if it was against some she loved. Her alcohol use is irrelevant and I do not think your comment has anything constructive to add to this thread.
6 likesAlso he dumb for even putting her in that situation. Like how dare him think that she would lie about something so horrible and important. A life is forever gone his whole blood line is gone. And he over ordering pizza or being on the stand about to cry for his dam DOG!! No shame
0 likes@lukemanius she went to the liquor store for cigarettes.
0 likesAnd three drinks over 3 hours while at a wedding reception is a lot to you? Jeeze
@Akoyash if three drinks over three hours gets you drunk you must be allergic to alcohol
0 likesShe was madly in love with a racist, what’s that say about her? I don’t even have bigoted friends let alone spend the rest of my life with one. Just saying.....
1 likeShe was NOT married to him!
5 likesMiss Viking ??? What are you on about? This guy pulled into that space and instigated this whole confrontation. I have been annoyed by teenagers with loud music...I just roll my eyes and carryon.
3 likesShe really is. She’s so sweet, it wouldn’t surprise me if she blames herself for wanting to stop and get the wine.
0 likesNo she just isn't stupid! Her partner shot up a car with teenagers inside, over loud music. What would he do to her if they got into a argument?
0 likesMiss Viking I’d normally try and present a counter argument here but there is literally an entire hour long video including police procedure, multimedia evidence and a grand jury trial. Whether you believe a person or not is irrelevant, your opinions must be based on the evidence presented to you. That is such a fundamental aspect of law that I can’t quite grasp how it has passed you by...
3 likes@Irish Jester I was just about to say this. If we could kill people just because we were afraid then there would be dead bodies everywhere in this country.
0 likesHell my mom was legit TERRIFIED of clowns with big feet, doesn't mean she can walk into a kids birthday party and start shootin the poor guy.
Shes afraid to death of him.
1 like@Stephen Grigg for real back in my drinking days I would have hit that open bar for at least 10 beers, 5 or 6 mixed drinks, and a couple of shots. No problem.
0 likesSo did he.
0 likesRespect for Rhonda. She told the truth instead protecting her asshole future husband who she loved even knowing he's going to jail.
2383 likesThat takes courage. True humanity in her soul.
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Yes. Total respect. She chose to do what was right and it was clear what it cost her. You could almost hear her heart breaking every time she said no.
76 likesThat was my first comment! I just wanna hug her.
19 likesyeh this was my main thought, she was so brave and did the right thing even where many people wouldn’t. called out his lies even in court when he was present.
52 likesdunn had a history of being abusive in relationships so it’s also so good for her that she didn’t get hurt or killed too.
Wow! Oh how much society has fallen that telling the truth is considered a remarkable feat of integrity.
9 likes@Exploring Creations right? this should be the rule in every situation. But we live in a almost entire pshycopatic society, so we are much more used to see the loveones to cover the criminal faults and traits (even if this are not consider a crime per se, but an ethical crimal instead)
2 likes@Sol Taking the stand against your significant other is not that black and white lmao.
11 likes@Alex G it is when you have standars and you have self respect and respect for others beings too
1 like. True and genuine healthy mind and heart.
I adore my husband but I would not lie to protect him if he murdered someone. To do so is an abhorrent disregard for human life. I admire for her honesty but anything less makes you equally culpable in the victims families pain.
7 likesI'm sure Rhonda is currently in a much healthier relationship now. No doubt her letters and phone calls to Michael have become less and less frequent, and soon they will be non-existent.
2 likes@Sol he has a history of being abusive to his partner. And that's not hard to see; her extreme timid behavior, her not engaging in what hes saying, she seems terrified of him when he's angry and violent.
3 likesTrying to act as if what she did wasn't brave and took a lot of guts is being woefully ignorant of the situation she was in. Do you think battered partners aren't brave when they finally stand up to their abuser?
There is always more to a story that makes it nuanced. To make a sweeping statement, implying that she doesn't deserve the praise is just mean.
I think a more plausible explanation is that Rhonda was terrified that she might be an accessory to murder. I'm sure she was told that lying under oath could have dire consequences.
3 likesShe betrayed him big time
0 likesHow can you agree on such an evil action, he trusted her and asked her to get in the car and saved her life
Being drunk makes him unable make Right decisions at the right time so they distracted him with loud music
0 likes@Q Alba what are you talking about? The dude wasn't drunk off, what, 2 rum&cokes? O doubt both of them would've been fine with someone drunk behind the wheel.
2 likesHe didn't save her life he put it in immediate jeopardy
@kinnoyu IDK what your talking about cause I've never said that, I said absolutely the opposite. As a person that have being abuse all of my life from family and partners, I certanly have respect for her, and that's what my comment says.
0 likesSo all of that belong to your interpretation and judgment about my comment that was not written in the comment itself.
@Q Alba well, Let's supouse he was drunk. So he souldn't be driving drunk at the very begining. She didn't betrayed him, she just said the truth, even if that means that he has to spend time in jail, even if she love him, she said the truth.
2 likesIt can be not respectful for you, but hey that's ok! it's your opinion, not mine.
@Exploring Creations Unironically true
0 likes@Exploring Creations Idk the spouses stick with and protect their monster partners very often. I grew up in churches and 2 of them had child molester preachers and both their wives stayed with them and protected them. So for me I was so relieved when I heard she told the truth and it made me respect her more.
1 likePl nmmj
0 likes@Exploring Creations society has fallen? You say that like people haven't been lying to authorities to protect themselves or their kin since the dawn of civilization.
0 likes"I was the victor, but the victim too.."
6044 likesThe signature attitude of a narcissist. They are NEVER the villain.
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@Colby 100% agree, it's so true. The way he maintains his innocence to his wife gave me such bad vibes.
59 likesThey are never racists either , its normal everyday behavior to them.
80 likesYUP. It makes my skin crawl
18 likesSomething about that line, and the way he says it just makes my skin crawl. Something about this man I find absolutely revolting.
37 likesHe thinks loud music is a threat to his life.. How did he even make it that far in life...
61 likes@Neil Siebenthal Right? 🤦🏻♀️
7 likesI got physically nauseous when he said this oh my god. Not a shred of remorse for taking someone’s life.
30 likes@Hanh MunHan so basically he was the douper and the wife was the doupeé? Lmao I got some tcap in my jcs...
1 liketbf people usually don't see temselves as villains, that isn't about narcissism
3 likes@Jacker cooper yeah normal people can admit when they're wrong, but suppressing the feeling that you're in the wrong and not being able to ever let yourself be wrong by lying and shifting the blame is classic narcissism. Being wrong is too damaging to their fragile egos and it sends them into a rage so they make a false reality
23 likesWhite privilege and micro aggression plays into that as well!
11 likesYet we value these type of people in movies though, the villain
3 likes@the flowing Drowner what are micro aggressions? i always hear this word and i dont know what it means
2 likes@Jacker cooper In this case, it most certainly is about narcissism lol
7 likes@Daniel Casillas is he diagnosed?
2 likes@Jacker cooper Lol, I doubt it. But being undiagnosed ain't the checkmate you think it is, bud. A clinical diagnosis of NPD is exceedingly rare because the nature of the personality disorder prevents those individuals suffering from it to seeking treatment.
13 likesThe signature attitude of a HUMAN. They are NEVER the villain
6 likesWho thinks they're the villain, though?
2 likes@jumpinjohnnyruss The point isn't thinking you are the villain, the point is taking responsibility for your actions and in this case, shooting someone dead, you are by default, the villain.
9 likeswhen i heard that i was like “omg this guy”
1 likeTextbook narcissist. Not to mention that he kept trying to manipulate the detectives into believing what he believed happened… geez, people are awful.
3 likesThere are many red flags in this story that prove narcissistic behavior.
2 likesTeen angers got on my nerves when I was a teen ager but he should have known that they would be hard on him because he was a grown man and should know that teens talk shit when they are in group. His best bet would have been to just roll up his window and listen to some all radio or hurry his girlfriend up. Especially since they did not threaten him.
………my question would have been: “why did he wait so long to do it?”
@Neil Siebenthal I just asked that one. ……he had a lot of “Dutch courage” after his sons wedding.
2 likes@Daniel Casillas write the word evil down and I will agree 100.
0 likes@Milky Waythis guy is terrible. He’s the one at work who claims that he has a tumor to get out of doing some heavy lifting.
2 likes@MaTilda D'Hum xoxo Exactly. It's not like they had just all moved in next door ffs. 2 minutes, that is it and him and his missus would've been driving away and each party would've forgot the other existed in a heartbeat.
3 likes@Daniel Casillas They make the people around them suffer instead.
1 like@bingus enthusiast It’s essentially normal everyday actions/phrases that can be seen as offensive.
0 likesmost ppl are narcissists. its the world we live in
0 likesand they always win
0 likesI used to live with a narcissist. It is incredible how they twist events to suit their position as the victim. They are always the victim, never ever the cause of a problem.
5 likesA lot them are out there !
0 likesNarcissism is so the catchword of the moment. I'm inclined to lean towards psychopathy actually. His tone is flat, even throughout his statement. He can't even feign the emotional reactions you or I would be displaying.
0 likes@CtrlALlTerrorS I don't use it because it's a "catch word", I use it because he fits the definition. Narcissists don't have to feign emotions or speak with tone to be narcissists. There is a phrase about narcissists which is literally "always the victor or the victim, never the villain". It's a state of mind and attitude, it's also a huge lacking of self-awareness, an abnormally large sense of self-importance and lacking empathy, which could explain his nonchalant and emotionless behavior. Though, I do agree psychopathy is for sure a part of it! As that and narcissism typically aren't mutually exclusive. They both actually have a psychological concept in common called "The dark triad."
6 likes@Philip Craig 👁👄👁
0 likes@Nihil0s 100%!!! I used to live with one too, this guy reeks of the traits.
0 likesOR the looser. But sometimes you just can't have both.
1 like"It sucks being in a room all by myself...."
7 likesWorst nightmare for narcky. XD
@Yovanii Red AHAHAHA, so true!🤣🤣
1 likeIf they ever make a movie out of this case, please let John Carroll Lynch play Michael! I´m BEGGING you!
0 likes@Hanh MunHan I don't know why, but the second he said that, on top of the other behaviors he displayed.... BOOM. NarckyMcNarc-Narc.
3 likes“Haha, they’ll record this call and hear how sincere i sound!”
3 likes@Nate Cooper I know too many people who are like this
1 like" I killed a young man BUT he didnt turn down his music so its fair" - probably what he was thinking
5 likesHave u ever met anyone that admits to being the villain?
1 like@Mutato yes
1 like@Brian Cannon Not most people, but you need the educational tools to spot them.
0 likes@ambi_cc The more educated people are on them, they won't. This guy certainly didn't win and it's no wonder the narc population in prison is 30+%. Good, it's where they belong away from others so they don't do any more damage....save for other narcs.
1 likeIt's never their fault.
0 likes@Brian Cannon don't confuse narcissism with being egotistical. Those are two different things and the difference is often the amount and intensity of that characteristic which is why there is a distinction in the first place.
0 likes@Yovanii Red I mean isolation IS actually awful to us people. Many people during the pandemic who don't life with their family or friends learned about that and isolation cells are awful and inn my opinion a form of torture but I would lie if the thought of:" You couldn't handle being with yourself because you had to confront your own awfulness and horrible action." didn't slip my mind.
0 likesIt just made me made that he still found excuses in his head during that time instead of confronting, confirming, accepting and changing his awful actions. But that's what happens if you don't get guide through those thought prozesses.
In any case I'm less worried about him than the friends and family of the person he killed. The only reason I think about his murdered more is because he's the focus of this documentary because that's the focus of this channel. Any help should go to the relatives and friends of the victims first before this dough bag of a murderer
@Mutato I've met people who admitted they were abusers and did wrong, grew and became better. They still did mistakes and had setbacks no one should have to endure but they were honest and continued to work on it until they didn't hurt anyone anymore through their tendencies. Obviously they didn't kill anyone but yeah those people exist but I agree that nearly no one would do that when they are investigated on trail.
0 likesHe’s trying really hard to paint those teenage kids who never been in a lick of trouble as heartless thugs on a random killing spree.
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You heard what he called the people in the jail with him.
140 likes@A Tsylor tell me, what would've happened, if those 4 "innocent kids" talked the same way, to another set of similar "4 innocent kids"? That's right, same result, but they wouldn't, as it would've been an expected outcome.
15 likes@A Tsylor What I said is factual. They were disrespectful and racist. I never said they deserved to be killed or shot at. Bottom line is that if everyone treated everyone with respect, this would have never happened. Doesn't make it justified, but the truth is the truth.
31 likesEdit add - I also agree with you that the guy is scared of his own shadow. He's also garbage.
@dushas literally what are you saying rn
118 likes@Madeline Brewer if you verbally assault and threating to kill somebody for a simple request of putting your music down, be prepared to pay the same price you're threatening with.
13 likes@dushas There is no proof any of them ever said a word about killing him. The evidence is 3/1 on that
181 likesIt's the fear of the unknown, probably has no close black friends and he's scared of what he doesn't know, that or he's just a racist who thought he could get away with it and I think his lack of remorse tells us which one that is!
60 likesEither way the result is yet another tragic needless death!
@Hard31337 but that isn’t their fault. If a girl gets dragged off the street and raped, you don’t say “she was wearing a short dress”. Whether or not you’re excusing it, people will assume you are because otherwise you wouldn’t point it out. Were they disrespectful? Maybe. But why point it out?
75 likesUnfortunately this is what happens when you stereotype a section of the population as if they're all "thugs"
104 likesMan when i see people i can instantly know when someone was never in a lick of trouble. Oh right i can't, Because if someone wants to harm you , you would never know until the very moment.
0 likesI understand the first volley of shots , they make sense if the explanation was "they were getting out of the car and i went for my gun" . But there is no excuse for the second volley, There was no way to make up a favorable story from that point on.
@SomeCoolToad I'd agree with you, but the forensics showed they never attempted to get out of the car
47 likes@Hayley Exactly man! I live right near where this shit went down (in fact the shooter stopped in my town overnight after the shooting) and it’s so frustrating hearing my white friends calling every single other black kid who plays black music or has dreadlocks a “thug”. And they wonder why these stupid shootings happen
32 likes@SomeCoolToad Ban gun's like in UK and there is no excuse for any of it, just an idea!
8 likes@Hayley what do you mean stereotyping? They were thugs and they acted like thugs, old mans reaction was disproportional but not uncalled for.
5 likes@dushas playing loud music and swearing at a grumpy old dude isn't a "thug", nor does it justify a death sentence. You have a very warped view of morality.
86 likes@dushas conservative propoganda has made you think people with a certain aesthetic are all the same, that they're all criminals. The victims of this crime had no criminal records and were just being annoying teenagers. Trying to justify this murder by forcing them into your manufactured idea of a criminal is morally abhorrent.
62 likes@dushas I think a thug is more like the sort of person who shoots a car full of people because they disrespected him.
88 likesSo crazy that people think its ok to kill someone over words.
23 likes@dushas So people who play loud music are thugs? That's ridiculous.
39 likes@dushas I like your kind has to imagine the other guys threatening to kill him to justify your own thoughts process lol it’s adorable you have such an overactive imagination
30 likesA lot of racists here trying to blame the victims.
60 likes@Adam G Well said.
3 likes@dushas you’re putting innocent in quotations marks bro😭someone get him in the same cell with this man Dunn
38 likes@dushas legally, this is inaccurate. You cannot plead self defense from a verbal threat. The weapon used must be of equal or lesser force. (PS it’s also illegal to carry a firearm while intoxicated in the slightest) why are we defending this racist.
36 likes@dushas oh you know them?
2 likes@Adam G THIS
3 likesHe didn't know if they had a record or not.
0 likes@Hard31337 There's no evidence of that happening.
1 like@dushas They'd be classified as murderers but they didn't do that as they were innocent children
1 like@dushas you sound just like the guy in the video lol
15 likes@dushas michael ?
8 likesNever been in a lick of trouble yet threatened to kill him? You think that's normal?
1 like@Chrissycupcakes People who say "I'm gonna kill you, you're dead" could be classed as thugs.
2 likesThe guy is definitely guilty, he didn't act on self defense. But let's not pretend that saying "I'm gonna kill you, you're dead" to someone is normal.
@Kokichi Shares They did threaten him... watch the video 36:00
1 like@Rolo LOL you might wanna rewatch that clip you sent me, he's not saying "oh he said kill him." As a fact. He's stating how unlikely it is that he would say that with no weapon and not leaving the car, especially since no one can corroborate
13 likes@Rolo mate it's quite obvious Michael Dunn lied about being threatened, watch the video
14 likes@irrational moon w
0 likes@Kokichi Shares I'm not saying they were actually planning on killing him... I'm neither saying that Micheal Dunn had the right to take a shot either...let alone fire 10 shots
0 likes@caramel Yeah probably. I thought the victims had confessed to threatening him
0 likes@Rolo Nah they just say the guy called him a cracker and that other unbiased witness reports in the parking lot contradict his, I can timestamp if it helps
2 likes@Ikari hey we get a he'll if w lot wrong that I can't argue with and you can use Aus as an example if you prefer.
2 likesStill clear facts show that since Port Arthur in Aus and Dunblane in the UK guns have been banned in both countries. Since they the number of mass shootings has been 0!
Since 2000 the US has had loads, I tried to count them but stopped at the horrifying number of 50 and I wasn't even half way by the looks of it...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States
So while UK may be far from perfect I think we can pretty confidently say we have got this one right the Aussies too and whoever else has banned the stupid things IMO!
@dushas ignoring the fact that the witnesses at the scene said they didn't hear any threats from the victims, a teenager VERBALLY threatening you still isn't a death sentence, and doesn't justify "self defense" with lethal force.
9 likesHe could've pulled the gun and aimed it at them. That would still be wrong, but far better than this. The irrationality of the escalation is the issue.
This dude probably had preconceived assumptions about young black men and it cost lives and his freedom.
@m g yep
0 likes@Hard31337 bro stop trying to look at this from “both sides”... there is only one side. That man is evil and has such a strong sense of entitlement that he thinks he has the right to kill people because they simply annoyed him with their music.
7 likes@dushas the only person who is saying there was a death threat was the murderer. You are going to believe him when there were witnesses?
5 likes@Rolo I’m not saying that either, I’m saying that no one in that car said that, there was no threats. He was cussed out but that’s it. He is the only one saying that they threatened his life.
3 likesSo the gas station doesn't have outdoor security cameras?
0 likes@dushas No cap though, literally wouldve been a gang shooting
0 likes@YourStepMother I'm gonna believe a common sense, that dude is what 60? Somehow he managed to survive to that age and not go on a murder rampage, so what suddenly changed? What's different in this case? He never seen black dudes blasting music in a car prior to this day? Nobody was ever rude to him? Or maybe, nobody ever threatened to kill him? Which is more likely?
0 likes@Rolo 3 of 4 people there said he didn't say that
1 like@dushas “i hate that thug music” it wasn’t cause it’s loud it’s because the type of music that was playing i bet t
2 likes@dushas Leave it to a conservative to defend a sociopath lol.
8 likes@m g pretty unsettling that this is the American we live in (or, I mean, me, idk if you're American)
0 likes@dushas you think it's more likely that a bunch of kids with no prior record threatened to kill him and also had a gun despite witness accounts saying otherwise, and no evidence of a gun? Even man's wife said he didn't bring up the gun to her at all. And he also didn't call the police. Based off of this, it's pretty easy to assume he thought nobody would catch him, and when they did, he made up the gun and made up the threats.
6 likes@YourStepMother I believe it's more likely that a man that lived to his 60-s without prior similar incidents, had a reason why he suddenly resorted to firing a gun, than I believe that "clean record" of said, bunch of "kids", having a "clean record" at 17 means literally nothing. From what have been given it was reasonable to assume that those "kids" next step after their shit talk would be violence of unknown level, and him assuming they had fire arms is not unreasonable either, given their behavior and a country they're living in.
0 likesAnd I'm not saying what that old fart did was the right thing to do, old fart got scared shitless and did a cowardly act, but don't paint here fairytales of poor innocent "kids" assaulted for no reason. None of this would've happened if they weren't behaving like animals.
@dushas He wouldn't have even started the conversation if he wasnt armed. He had his security blanket, and used it, thinking he would get away with it. And yes, victim blaming is victim blaming. There's no evidence of any aggression from the teens. Their behavior is absolutely irrelevant in this case since it included nothing threatening. You're still saying, "she shouldn't have been wearing that."
6 likes@dushas Is a white kid that listens to metal also automatically a thug?
7 likes@dushas Yet, they never threatened him....he just started shooting when he felt "disrespected." And you call them "animals" and "thugs."
5 likes@dushas People get offended by all sorts of dumb s. Teens can be obnoxious, regardless of race or culture. It was on him to be the adult.
4 likes@A Tsylor Yeah, guns should only be used as an absolute last resort. If someone has a knife or weapon and they are coming at you you should use it but not if some teenagers are arguing with you.
4 likes@dushas lol I found the racist!!! 😂😂😂😂
9 likes@dushas You continue to say they threatened him, can you please provide any proof of that?
5 likes@dushas If your analogy is good, it isnt, when were they "aggressive?"
1 like@Hard31337 if what you said is factually why are you deleting comments lmao GUILT
0 likes@Nathan Miller when they proceeded to shit talk the old fart after he asked them to tone down the music. The fact that they were threatening him comes from his testimony, and is common sense, dude that made it to his 60-s without prior similar incident, don't just goes on a shooting rampage without a reason. You're trying to dispute them being "harmless kids" when the very first witness says that he didn't park near them cause he was scared of them.
0 likes@dushas Theres no evidence of aggression from them. No independent witnesses corroborated his bs. He never claimed any of that to his gf, only after being interrogated. It's obviously a lie to save his own skin. The only reason to believe him is personal bias.
5 likes@Nathan Miller uhuh, 60 years old guy, with a clean record suddenly decides to shoot innocent kids doing nothing. I'm sorry but you guys are delusional. There's always a motive, nothing is done without a reason. You want world to be black and white, but both parties are at fault her for what happened, one side is dead the other is in prison for life, all of which could've been avoided if either side showed restraint.
0 likes@dushas He's the only "witness" with any motive to be disingenuous. Any reasonable person gives him no credibility.
6 likes@dushas Thugs? Animals? They're just rebel teenagers
3 likes@dushas everything you said about those teens was disproven. Everything the man said was proven to be a lie. Going against what eyewitness testimonies and the man's own fiance had to say because of someone's age is ridiculous.
3 likes@Hard31337 ya they were no angels!
0 likes@YourStepMother have we watched the same video? The only thing that was proven is that they didn't have a gun. And as the cop himself said, even if they had a water pistol this would've changed everything.
0 likes@dushas Why do you keep claiming the man is in his 60's when it's literally stated at the start of the video that he's in his 40's? You're trying really hard to frame this guy as a senile old man who was about to be attacked when there's literally no proof of this other than the word of a man who's trying not to go to prison for murder.
5 likesWhy didn't he call the police after they ran if they were coming after him to kill him? Why did he continue to fire at the car while it was driving away? Why didn't the guy he shot with the first 4 rounds he fired and hit in the heart die in the street if he only shot when he exited the car? Why didn't he tell his wife that they had a gun and were about to kill him? Why didn't any of the other witnesses hear them say they were going to kill him or see the teenagers exit the car? Why was his neighbor not surprised by his actions and stated that Michael's ex-wives (that's fucking plural by the way) would come to his house and tell him that Michael was abusive and would beat them? The same neighbor who stated that Michael was arrogant, controlling, and an aggressive man. Why does common sense say to deny all of this and believe the guy who's trying to save his own ass?
I don’t think he’s trying very hard at all. He doesn’t strike me as the kind of person who’s had to try very hard to do anything in life, except maybe to pee.
1 like@dushas it’s crazy how hard you’re siding with this racist murderer. To the point where you don’t even trust that the cops did their jobs correctly in putting this guy in jail.
2 likes@dushas wow
0 likes@dushas yeah beacuse every argument beteeen 2 groups of teeens ends with a shoot out, never just shit talking and driving off.
2 likes@dushas how u believe the dude who had his WHOLE STORY PROVEN WRONG BY VIDEO EVIDENCE
1 like@Tom Weever facts! As a teenager, every single fight I’ve ever had with other teenagers have in fact ended up in a shooting…
1 likeOn call of duty
@dushas I hear white rich suburban boys listen to rap all the time (they love it). Yet they are never considered thugs. So it’s very clear to see what sets those boys apart from the “thugs” you’re referring to
1 like@Pika Pika I don't think they are ever going to favor evidence over personal bias. According to them, witness statements are wrong because 60 year olds can't snap. Never happens. Impossible. Lmao
0 likes@vivian Kuang the thing is, where I live it's only white kids, since there is no blacks here at all. And they are indeed considered thugs, and there are multiple occasions when those "kids" end up killing people that look at them wrong way, animals go wild when they feel they can get away with it. The fact that you mix their race in to the discussion only means that you are in fact racist.
0 likesWhen it’s a clip of him on trail towards the end I got the feeling that those things he made up they were saying was actually what he was thinking in his own mind “I’m gonna kill these mf’ers”
0 likesI worked in this neighborhood at the time, was on duty when this went down. It's not a good neighborhood, drug dealers and prostitutes galore, but regular people too. It's a hard neighborhood. I have no doubt they did start talking shit to this guy, just like I have no doubt he didn't "politely" ask then to turn down their music. They could have been trying to intimidate him, but when you start throwing rounds, then reposition to continue firing, and then they don't have a gun? Sounds more like anger then fear.
0 likes@Lokey Odinson yeaaa...i am a high school teacher at an inner-city school here in Los Angeles. There's no justification for what he did, even IF the kids mouthed off to him. Do you know how many kids have mouthed off to me in a classroom setting, some in a threatening manner? If i had a gun, would I unload a clip into the teenage kid that got into my face? It's absurd that anyone would justify this. I am not saying you are, but to give the "caveat" of..."well i worked in these neighborhoods" doesn't mean anything in a court of law.
0 likes@Hayley get em hayley!
0 likes@Hard31337 it’s crazy how you bothering me initially … can get me killed …
0 likes@dushas that same "what if " thinking got that man in jail for the rest if his life.
0 likesrhonda is so honest, i'm so glad she didn't even try to defend her fiance from doing that.
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Because she knew she'd end up in a cell next to him, she never called the cops, instead she ate pizza and had sex.
91 likes@Sam Makin I mean, the narrative for her at the time was that her fiance fired off a few rounds to scare off some hoodlums. She was also under the influence of alcohol. I can hardly hold her choices that night against her.
214 likes@Sam Makin She had no idea anyone was hurt
66 likesSee legally wives aren’t forced to testify against their husbands, but she’s not married to him yet so legally she’s a witness and needs to tell them what she knows.
23 likesShe's a good woman. It must be hard because she probably has called her own judgement in men/people into question. I've dealt with the same thing but in a much less intense manner than my fiance having killed a teenager in cold blood and then lying about it. I hope she's made it through the years and I hope she knows that loving people isn't wrong and neither is she. All the best to Rhonda ❤️
50 likes@Sam Makin she was being told her fiance was about to be killed and protected himself. He seems like an incredibley awful, empathy- less, insensitive, manipulative bastard. Emphasis on manipulative. Now, I do agree that she very well should've done something either way, but I'm sure considering this dude's temper, he wouldn't deal with being blamed by his finance very well.
38 likes@John R Marital communications privilege
5 likesNeither spouse can be compelled to testify as to private, confidential communications between them in either criminal or civil proceedings. But, only communications that the spouses intend to be, and maintain as confidential are protected.
@John R also no disrespect in any capacity brother and or sister but using an episode of tv to debunk something as a myth from tv isn’t the best defense an example from real life is much better.
8 likesYeah I cant fault her for not immediately challenging his narrative or calling the cops. Guys like him don't usually take kindly to the word "no", and most of these guys are legit domestic abusers so I don't think it's a good idea to confront them.
15 likes@Pugachev's Kobra i read up on it and two ex wives of his said that he was abusive and violent towards them, along with a former neighbor saying he wasn't surprised by his actions
10 likes@Benjamin Matheny Watched the whole thing, I never seen that this was a narrative. She was buying booze and then after hearing the shots, she left with them.
0 likesMay be she was lying just to get rid of him
0 likesRhonda cost him any chance of freedom!!
1 like@Benjamin Matheny being under the influence is no excuse, she chose to drink those drinks...
0 likesGuys, this just shows why you don't get married. She'll throw you under the bus. And then a bunch of women on youtube will agree with her.
1 like@Sam Makin lmao
0 likes@Jazza BigHits Jesus Christ dude
6 likes@Ralph Masucci not quite
0 likesIsn't worth going down for that shit
2 likesShe is honest coz she Realised she was living with a sociopath and it was the only way to get him out of her life!!!
2 likesIt's illegal to lie in court, she isn't stupid
0 likes@Jess Pavlichenko that's generalising
0 likes@Yurei read the comment I'm replying to
0 likes@Benjamin Matheny oh that's what it's about? I thought it was about him doing stuff to his puppy...
0 likesDuring the court hearing Rhonda wasn't wearing an engagement ring.
2 likespls come back with more content .. you guys are the best out here.
0 likesHe legitimately thought that the cops would just brush this incident under the rug using the same terminology as police use during a use of force statement/. "I couldn't see his hands" and "he made sudden movements." Sorry dude, that only works with law enforcement ON THE JOB, not your ass.
1 likeThe whole crying about his puppy thing made my stomach turn
1 like35:00 “is he going to bite my ear off??” Lmao 😂 staring at the black cop insinuating some Tyson bullshit.
2 likeslmao 43:12
2 likesDetective: and what was the purpose of that?
Michael: to save my life
Detective: from the door?
“The last thing I’m looking for is trouble” as he pulls into a gas station in a city he doesn’t live in and asks a teens minding their own business to turn their music down and proceeds to pull holes in their vehicle as their retreating
1 likeTrust me, I think it is very annoying and inconsiderate when people play their music loud, but I could NEVER imagine wanting to kill someone over something so trivial. Why not take the route of the first guy and just not park next to them or just deal with it for a few minutes and leave? Like there were so many other choices this guy could have made. This is what happens when people think they have a right to play god. The fact that he has no remorse is so disgusting.
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@beefchuck and then him calling the kids “thugs”..just because they were playing some music. Def racist
109 likesWhen the video started, I imagined these were neighbors who played loud Music all the time and the guy got fed up... But then it was kids in a parking lot. They could get away from them and possibly never see them again. The guy killed someone and wasted his own life for nothing
48 likesthe most obvious part is that he displays zero remorse for killing a teenager
35 likesTotally agree with you. People are going to act the way they want regardless, so its pointless to engage them just leave to another store.
3 likesI would imagine it, but would never go through with it
1 likeMike was reasoning with his chest rather than brains........ Lesson: don't meddle on other people's problems
0 likes@goodwill lover You do get middle-aged people who see all of that generation as thugs, or who see certain behaviour (loud music, handing round on the street, tattoos etc.) as the mark of a thug. There may be a racist element, there probably is, but he may also have taken the same attitude against a bunch of white working class kids.
7 likesI bet he blasted music when he was a teenager. There was only one kid who was outside of the care t a l k i n g to him and they weren’t even grown men (if they were grown they still wouldn’t have been a threat in any capacity but, what could a normal teenage boy do to a grown man?).
5 likesIt's not inconsiderate to play loud music. The fact that yt ppl feel that entitled that anything they don't like is inconsiderate. I mean how about u just mind ur own business. Who cares what other ppl do. U don't like loud music. Don't listen to loud music. Wow. So simple eh.
9 likes@goodwill lover how is thug a racist word? I’m not saying it can’t stem from racist thoughts but the word thug in no way implies someone is black or any other color for that matter.
1 like@Ana Hernandez Christ, that is pretty dumb. It is inconsiderate to play loud music when others are around who don’t want to listen…especially if it’s so loud it’s painful. That’s why we have laws designed to prevent disturbing the peace.
13 likes@William Wilson listening to music loudly. Is not disturbing the peace buddy. Check ur entitlement before u comment.
8 likesThe language he uses also seems to indicate him being racist
4 likesIt wasn’t the loud music. It was the rap (thug) music. Because if it was his favorite song they would have had a sing-a-long in the parking lot with zero issues
3 likes@beefchuck and they're not culturally insensitive for blasting that shit?
1 likeI like my music loud so I just turn up my worship gospel music just as loud too so I can’t hear the others
1 like@Ana Hernandez yes, it is. No one likes it when people blast music above 50 volume in a car. At around 25-30, you can already hear it from outside the car, so imagine listening to things on 100. People have preferences and opinions on things but I’m sure that a majority don’t appreciate it if they hear loud things while trying to, somewhat, enjoy their private time with loved ones or even by themselves.
7 likesTLDR; we’re trying to have a little rest but people that play music unnecessarily loud are completely disregarding how it would impact everyone else
My neighbors play hard music all the time. I work overnight, come home in the morning, mid-day, that's when they want to play they music. They are white, and I'm black. Imagine harming these people because of their lourd music, while I'm trying to get some sleep. I hate these people listening to these loud music,but I won't do nothing stupid. Just move on and leave.
7 likesHe parked next to them because he wanted na confrontation. The witness did what any reasonable person would have done, parked a few spots down. But he chose to park right next to the car full of black kids blasting music. He knew exactly what he was doing.
6 likesThe amount of people doing mental gymnastics & jumping through hoops to prove this guy isn't racist, despite his own words & deeds & the testimonials of the people who knew him stating that he was undeniably racist, don't realize that they themselves are being racist, & it's quite interesting to me.
6 likes@Megan Allen exactly!
1 like@quinn.e ☽ u wanna enjoy private peaceful time with ur family stay home. Thats the only place ur guaranteed peace and quiet. The world doesn't have to be quiet to make u comfortable.
1 like@Ana Hernandez the irony..
1 like@Ana Hernandez actually it is illegal in most areas in the US, but the decibel level allowed is different depending on where you live. Try researching noise ordinances.
1 likeThat said, doubtful the music was really loud enough to be illegal.
@Alicia Taylor noise ordinance at 6 pm???????
0 likesooooooooooooook lady
Its not rude at all. If you are in a public space and literally have no right to privacy while being there.
1 likeI can't help but enjoy the thought of how much it must be bothering him to get interrogated and contradicted by a black man.
0 likes"Do I need a lawyer? Sounds like that I'm in deep shit!" "Nay...it's a bit too late for this now basically. I mean do what ever you want bruv. It's your time innit?"
3 likesEven if I would know that I"m innocent I would never ever talk to them without a Lawyer I trust. Especially not in a situation like that.
It's interesting that he would insist on self defence when he clearly created the situation and then fired his gun at the suv that was trying to escape. Idiot.
1 likeHis gf saying "i know" to his comment "i dont like that thug music"... He was obviously looking for trouble any time the opportunity presented itself.
Unfortunately there's alot of these psychos out there, thankfully this one went to jail
1 likeLiterally who tells people who are not going to see each other again in their life at a gas station to turn off their music. The type of narcissism u have to have imo to think people care about ur feeling or opinion at a gas station baffles me. His voice also rlly annoys me
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Its been said that he was already drunk.
1 likeThats something a drunk person would definitely do.
This is what a massive ego will get you, 10 seconds of stupidity for a life in prison🤦🏻♂️ the fiancé is a real good person, she seems quiet and as if she was under his thumb, I wouldn’t be surprised if he was severely abusive, he seems like the narcissistic type, playing the victim, absolutely zero remorse. He’s only sorry because he got caught, rip to the young man who was killed, the other young black men seem very well spoken and intelligent, not like the young thugs he made them out to be.
5 likesHis overly dramatic performance on the stand is sickening to watch.
2 likesThe victor of what exactly. His arrogance and entitlement make me sick. My thoughts and prayers are with the young man's family. 😞🙏🏻
0 likesThat was mailicious of how he just unrelentingly shot at a car and killed an innocent guy who was enjoying his day with his friends. It's a shame.
0 likesLoud music is fucking annoying yeah but how long was he going to be there? 5 minutes? What's the point? I'd understand risking confrontation if it's coming from an apartment next door but a car you'll never see again in a matter of minutes? Mind boggling. It's clear he had some fantasy of self defense and saw this as an opportunity to live it out.
4 likes"Who reached down and picked it up?"
41 likes"Well hopefully is the guy I hit.."
Did I hear correctly.. 😮
That man seems to be narcissist and I would not be surprised if he would also be a man using domestic violance.. So that poor woman is lucky to have gotten rid of him before it would be too late.
Unbelievable! I go regularly to gas stations - in particular a QT where this place is LARGE. And there are people there that are going to put in something loud(I don’t consider some to be music). Who THE HELL ARE YOU TO TELL SOMEONE ELSE TO TURN DOWN THEIR MUSIC or whatever when YOURE THE ONE THAT CAME UP AFTER THEM!!?? BESIDES ITS A FREE COUNTRY - why didn’t this guy park SOMEWHERE ELSE!!?? Wow, you shoot at people over loud music!!
1 like47:55 “Damn, I didn’t really know I was gonna get arrested for murder. That sucks.”
2 likesTrash. I’m glad his fiancé knew what was up and stated everything truthfully. I feel so bad for the family of that young man.
0 likes40:48 damn thats the most convincing concern for his life i've ever heard
0 likes“You went 0-100 without even getting to 50”
3 likes“It was either a barrel or a stick”
4 likesYeah, real smooth talking
How am I just now hearing about this case? I literally live on Southside Jax and have been at that specific gas station a million times
0 likesI would have had so much trouble not rolling my eyes during the crap of him crying on the stand if I was in the jury box.
0 likesAt first he was so cocky thinking he is smarter than the detectives interrogating him.
3 likesHe is clearly a nasty man but I’m going to say Those 4 or 5 rum a cokes at the wedding just cost him his life. People don’t realize how much a few drinks can effect them.
1 likethe way he paints himself like some kind of main character from an action movie in the interrogation and the trial is so gross... hes literally the stereotype of the narcissistic gun happy american man
1 likeNever talk to police without a lawyer….
1 likeI still don’t understand why a seemingly “normal” man would want to kill obviously young men over rap music. Even if a confrontation broke out it’s not enough to justify what he did. What the hell happened in his head to make him take his gun out and unload it.
0 likesThese videos reinforce that our RIGHT to have an attorney present is so important, even if you believe you did nothing wrong or your actions were justifiable. Asking for an attorney before answering questions may make you feel like you look guilty, but its actually very smart and essential and it is your right, not privilege. And these videos of these guys drawing guns and shooting prematurely is really disturbing. Our society is filled with guys who think they’re tough because they have a gun, but when they face even the hint of a confrontation they draw and just start shooting. Maybe if they got in a few actual fistfights when they were a kid they wouldn’t be so wimpy and quick to shoot someone. Who knows. In any case, it should be a reminder to everyone not to fire a weapon unless you are absolutely certain that you are in danger.
0 likes“I didn’t know i would be arrested. That sucks.” You know what else sucks? Finding out your seventeen year old child has been killed and his friends shot at for a petty argument. Finding out that a grown man made the decision to fire on children. That does suck.
1 like24:32 "and it was either a barrel or a stick"
1 likeman deadass just jumped to conclusions and procedded shoot a 17yr old
I wasn’t exactly sure what he was saying so I pulled my gun....? Ya dude you just dug your own grave..
2 likesHe sounds like a really odd guy, very slow and calm in the interview. Strange dude for sure .
0 likesImagine how one feels guilt for going there for wine, while the other for cigarettes
0 likesRhonda was brave.
0 likesAlso I wonder how he got convicted but George Zimmerman did not.
Not a second of remorse for the boy... only busy with himself. You know there are awfull people in the world, still it battles me to see them in real life
1 likeIf they at least had a water gun! 🤦🏽♀️ fix it lord
3 likesFound it especially nasty that he only said he was sorry it turned out the way it did when he found out what exactly he was being charged with. Did they press him to find out if it was racially motivated ?
1 likeHe realizes after 46:22 minutes that he maybe needs a lawyer. This guy should go to prison no matter what happened, because he is so stupid.
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Yes but if we convicted people on their smarts, well the majority are of average IQ or less, so how big a prison state do you desire?
0 likes@fred bloggs What?! Plenty of prisoners are way above average in intelligence; and there are plenty of stupid people that are successful
1 like@Manolo Volkov You missed the facetiousness of my comment. I never argued against either of the two propositions you have outlined. Indeed, you only reinforce my point. Stupidity or intelligence has little to do with a person's eligibility for the big house.
0 likes@Manolo Volkov ps - you could equally say, half the pop is of average intelligence or greater. It's a half glass thing (full or empty?)
0 likesWhat the cop said that the teen couldnt have killed him because he was unarmed is invalid and not the thought process when you are in the moment.
0 likesIs the guy guilty, yes he is, but when you are confronted with a group of guys or any group for that matter and you are on your own and you are in the middle of a confrontation where verbal profanities are exchanged, there would be no need to have any weapons in the car with the teens as the individual would still feel threatened even if that person is armed.
The simple reason is when you are outnumbered you will always feel defensive regardless who has a weapon.
The teens could all have jumped out of the car and pounced on this guy even without a weapon so the cops point is void, saying the teen couldnt have killed him because he was unarmed.
Damn his girlfriend was such a sweet lady, you could tell it hurt her soul to have to tell the truth about her man
2 likesIf my voice sounded like this, I would turn myself in for stupidity immediately.
1 likeJust call a spade a spade.
He killed a young man and his son's wedding day is marred forever. Selfish man.
2 likesAs soon as I noticed car full of young loud kids, I'd get the hell out of there. He should've stayed quiet in the car n get out of there with his girlfriend. That's what I would've did. Whole thing avoidable I think 🤔
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car full of blacks that play loud music=obviously not a good location.
0 likesHe was only supposed to be there a few mins while his fiancée got some wine and he couldn’t just let people be whilst he waited. He does not value human life and this kid lost his life for nothing. He’s also taken a child from his parents/family and traumatised 3 other teens for life. All for nothing.
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Exactly what i was thinking, all she was doing was getting a bottle of wine.. just a few minutes and he couldn't just deal with the music for a few minutes. Oh well he made his choice. Sad that someone had to die 😔
1 like@[?] Question Block exactly, he made his choice and I hope it haunts him every day. I can’t imagine pulling up next to a car and telling other people what to do to suit me, especially when it’s not hurting anyone.
0 likesNotice how he demonstrates his actions when asked how he shot. He points the weapon at the black cop.
1 likeHis wife knows he’s talking bullshit over that jail phone.
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Yea cause he said he was a victor for killing a child over loud music
218 likes@Adam Thompson are you aware that it costs the taxpayers more to put someone six feet under
98 likes@Adam Thompson No, we should set an example and say that we will NOT take anyones life, we will be the better people. No one has the right to take a life, certainly not the government, which is basically a corporate mafia. If you can show me data that shows that the death penalty reduces crime then go ahead.
67 likesFiancée, not wife
22 likes@cloakedrhombus are you aware of why they say that is the case or are you just spouting the headline?
3 likes@Joseph yeah that's nice, save your perspectives for children.
2 likes@Adam Thompson I won’t say anything because that was per the request of the victim’s family. Their religion saved him
3 likes@Joseph I agree
1 likeYeah, at first I was giving him the benefit of the doubt during that intro but it wasn't long before I had no sympathy for him.
9 likes@Adam Thompson taxpayers money is being wasted regardless. The death penalty is just more costly due to the court fees and the cost of jailing them until the date comes.
4 likes@Adam Thompson life in prison is worse then death
7 likes@Joseph there is no crime in middle eastern countries because if u kill , they chop ur head off . If u steal , they chop ur hand off. Nobady gona risk it
4 likes@cloakedrhombus nah man, even with crazy ammo prices one .45 acp would do the trick quick and dirty.
2 likes@ig47 oh no, there is crime in the middle east. You just have to be in the correct group.
6 likes@Gabrielle O'Shaughnessy
0 likesWhatever..that wasnt the point..lord nick pick someone u dont know over a word
@Joseph Some humans cannot be rehabilitated in modern society and should be put down
3 likes@Pia and your point on tax payers. You claim it would get wasted regardless so just waste more right? Cause who cares. Having him killed will not bring justice to anything. Not even for his family. They’ll have to live with that. Like I said. Death is his salvation. He wants to die, probably even or most likely this moment right now and every second after. No communication to the outside world. No friends there. His thoughts will consume him soon. And he will suffer and realize it was only him and no one else that caused this. And no one cares about him anymore.
1 likeSame thing at police interrogation room . .. fail.
0 likes@Nymbus Cumulo Actually you're right they should have just let Bundy go after he escaped
0 likes@cloakedrhombus not if the guillotine was implemented
2 likesquick, painless and cheap af
@ig47 there is crime.
0 likeswell, why is this man under trial? A software engineer, big brain man, taken from his freedom for 4 lowlifes good at nothing at they are as they are? Well done America, well done. Continue to defend the 'usual suspects" and nothing will remain out of your country. You see the signs already. You want to be defiant and disrespectful? well, then you deserve it.
0 likes@Gabrielle O'Shaughnessy ex fiance, not fiance.
0 likes@ig47 um the united States military disagrees with you.
0 likes@viralshield what??
0 likesNo his wife didn't. It's his fiancee'. Please listen more carefully
0 likes@Gabrielle O'Shaughnessy - IKR. And just think these folks with hearing problems could be on a Jury someday.. Scary stuff.
0 likesyou can tell she's used to not speaking back, gotten used to receving bs without commenting on it. the way she describes him hating "thug music" and her just going "i know" like wow i could see it in her face.
1 like@ig47 I think that would be a great deterrent for Americans. Only if they would use it equally for all the people.
0 likes@setral I hate to agree with you but I do 100%.
0 likes@Adam Thompson capitial punishment is actually quite expensive the government has to give a massive bonus to the prisons for it, plus the years on death row it's about as expensive as a life sentence
0 likes@Nun Ya Wife, Fiancée, who cares?
0 likesThis case could have easily turned out differently if he lawyered up. Though he does deserve to be in prison. That guy was too excited to use his Glock. Sad af.
0 likesWow when he said that one of these guys picked some from the ground and the detective asked wich one pick it up,
0 likesand he said: hopefully the one that I hit!!!
I mean are you serious?? that’s hurt even
I don’t know that young man R.I.P
Say what you like but for his misses to stand in court and tell the truth is amazing as most people wouldnt be so truthful
0 likesHow many times have we heard trained police officers say "I thought he had a gun" after they gunned down some unarmed kid, and not only got away with it, but got a paid vacation while their fellow officers figured out how to blame the victim?
29 likesI'm not saying this guy is innocent, but I'd love to see a cop's interrogation after such a shooting... of course we know those never happen...
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You MUST comply with police.... They have authority to shoot, so why would anyone not comply?
4 likesBecause its a cops job to chase and confront people... Dunn was not a cop.
0 likes"we have investigated ourselves and found no wrongdoing"
0 likesWas thinking exactly the same thing @Karmkase
0 likesits crazy how many of these interrogations ive watched but jim going into detail about them is wicked
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Jim breaks down the science. Love it!
11 likesYup Jim rox!
3 likesI wish I knew what Jim's voice sounded like ):
1 likeIf I were Rhonda, I too would tell the 100% truth. How could any decent person remain a relationship with a killer?
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Ho ho you’d be surprised.
1 like@Co Oh I know.. Chris Watts have women who visit him in prison Knowing he murdered his Beautiful wife, 2 kids and 1 son in Shannan’s belly.
0 likes@Alex Andra that is disgusting. I don’t know if I want to cry or vomit. There are plenty of men out there who aren’t child murderers and they go for the one they know it is?
1 likeOh poor sweet Rhonda bless her she needs help she seems like she's a victim of Michael's as well
1 like3:39 I thought that lady in the back was either dead, a doll, or a photograph 😂 scared the crap outta me
1 likeHearing to Rhonda talk broke my heart, God damn
0 likesGuys, try to understand, he missed on a fairly expensive bed and breakfast.
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And it’s not easy to have to hear music you do not like.
295 likesMaybe they were a bit much.
6 likesAnd that “thug music” is discussing! Right?
16 likes“He loves that baby”
87 likes@Cameron Berry Damn, was it a BMW or a Mercedes?
32 likes@Eleonore Bon all he to was listen to it for like 5 minutes but no
6 likesMainly the breakfast!
10 likesA life can be easy discarded for those two things. It is hard to resist.
7 likes@Frivolity Machine what?? a bit much so someone had to die? anyone can play music whenever they want
4 likes@Cameron Berry "My father drives a Mercedes, and . . . "
10 likesNonmi Hiseddeo lmao. That chick was crazy
2 likesyeah gee, and he was so kind that it was only one murder, coulda been three, gosh, and it’s been so long could as well been 1 million years ago, gah
8 likes@G C Right?
1 likeHe's the real victim here
8 likes@Alyssa Warren He's the victor, but he's also the victim.
5 likes@Lance Anthony yeah, me too. Definitely!
0 likesAnnaliese Teschler or maybe they were going to bite his ear off. 😂
3 likesCameron Berry I’m so weak I just came from that video of Jen lol.
1 likeCaitlyn Ortega it was sarcasm. This whole comment thread is sarcasm. It’s mocking the killer.
4 likes@Nonmi Hiseddeo does he love that baby
2 likes@🐞Somar Chimon🐞 He LOVES that baby!
2 likes@Annaliese Teschler A single-shot shotgun. Fool thinks he's a gun expert. He doesn't know he's talking about a type of shotgun people don't carry around.
1 likeExactly, like why the fuck is HE getting interrogated..
1 likeThis is reverse racism obviously.
😂😂
Haha this man is the poster child for The Mr Karens. “They were too loud I had to kill them”
3 likes@carmen capa "Black kid play the music with the shooty bang words. I felt threatened and had to defend myself."
5 likes@TyTeana Thomas im late to the party my bad I realized it too late lmao
0 likes@Bill Geo It was a Volkswagen
0 likesThat what his lawyer should of told the jury Common folks can relate to a good breakfast buffet and a good night sleep
1 likeYeah, give him a break. He was saving his life from a door.
5 likeshe got himself some pizza though after killing that kid.. that pizza was probably good asf.. he probably kicked his feet up.. sipped his wine enjoyed the pizza and watched himself on TV.
1 like💀
0 likes@sui generis well look at the way he showed up at the POLICE STATION..
0 likesHe was dressed as though he was headed to a luau after attending to his situation.
He is disrespectful and vulgar at the same time.
His family must be extremely proud of his theatrical performance for the
DETECTIVE INTEGRATING HIM.
I find that many guys who have similar looks as this guy have narcissistic traits…i wonder why.
1 likeI love how he just says “that sucks” when hearing his charges. Shows how he has no sympathy.
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He probably already knew it was coming lol
0 likesWhat's weird is this is all just a few miles from where I grew up. Literally just down the road. Wasn't expecting to see my neighborhood when I was a kid in one of these videos.
0 likesHe said the door opened yet when he shot he shot thru the door , they didn’t sit before they pulled off so there would be no time time for them to close the door . He shot THRUUUU IT . How ?
1 like“You shot at the door.”
3286 likes“Yes.”
“What was the purpose of that?”
“Save my life(?)”
“From the door ?”
GOT ‘EM 😂
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Look that door had a gun. It was either the door or me.
158 likes@Boris Indigo "The door was unhinged, acted crazy"
190 likes@Lazlow Behen the door was un*hinged*
26 likes@Dangerous Beans ha
0 likesTime stamp?
4 likesNo, obviously he was defending himself against the music!
28 likes@Mystical Llama3500 43:11
12 likes@Dangerous Beans Yes, we noticed the joke
7 likesI was scared that it was gonna open! so I fired in defence!
3 likes🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
0 likes@Boris Indigo Or maybe it was a stick?
5 likesay man i saw Car 2. Can't be too sure.
0 likes@Samuel Look at one point the door said “You’re dead B***h” so I did what any natural human being would…
2 likesIs that supposed to be funny?
0 likesThe door might have had a stick
1 likeHe assumed they would have guns because the were listening to "thug music"
1 like@The Big Daddy G What he actually saw were the massive bbcs.
0 likesI didn't realise instantly that in his story the door was open at that point with the guy not behind it anymore so a second later I was like 'damn that officer was quick with that one, nice'
0 likesI think he was trying to prompt him to clearly state that he intentionally shot at the kid.
0 likesCallous, he just killed a kid but he's upset about missing out on brunch!
2 likesThe irony of the call where he states, "You know, they're violent." They're violent?!?! Says the man who fired 8 shots into barely college aged kids car. Poor babies! I listened to loud music 🎶 at that age. Absurdly loud. You're young. Music is part of your identity and you think everyone should know who you are. I'm so glad he hung himself in interrogation. Although I felt he was deeply dislikable even on the stand. Rhonda acts like a battered wife. He ruined so many lives. He misses his puppy though so set him free.
0 likesImagine killing a kid and putting yourself in jail for life over 30 seconds of music
2 likes"I didn't know I was being charged for murder and attempted murder...that sucks"
1 like-Someone who killed an unarmed 17 year old
To say he’s the “victor and the victim too” that’s an extremely deranged sense of ego
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he said this for the jailhouse recording - thinking it may help him when the cops listen to it
19 likesBoo oo I understood what he said and so did others
8 likesBall Juice of Zeus. Nice psuedonym my man.
1 likeYes and homie said “I was the victor” and he didn’t lose so I don’t think he was wrong in that sense
2 likesN Logan exactly, and same
1 likeConfusion of da highest oDahhhhh. PASTA!!!!
0 likes"You're the best, arooound, and nothin's ever gonna keep you down"
0 likesWell. He is still alive. So I'd say he's the victor.
0 likesCRINGE! When he said that!!!
1 like@Lee Devitt Thank you. Very well said.
0 likesMike Jones eugenics is pseudo science
1 like@Mike Jones There's nothing I believe more than a random far right troll starting a post with "I'm black, and this killing of a child for listening to music is actually good"
1 likeClassic narcissist
0 likes@Lee Devitt He is a very sick egotistical man with violence right under his veneer. I wonder what other violent incidents he was involved in previously.
0 likesI couldn't agree more.
0 likes@Shaxx How? Taking a life needlessly is never a victorious thing. If he was a victim, it was all in his head. He showed no remorse, even after finding out they were kids. Loud music annoys me at times, but ... come on...really?
0 likes@Lee Devitt sounds about right 😬
0 likes@Lucy Bell Love this comment.
1 like@Speedy Lose what is the question. He used a gun against children for no reason. They were less than half his age and he couldn't display the slightest bit of maturity? He should've controlled his liquor, his prejudice, and his downright disregard for human life (whatever age they looked like to him). Victor? I think not 👨⚖
0 likes@DOUGH It sounds like Lucy Bell hit a Neve with you. Was her description too close to home for you?
0 likesNever let perception control your reality
1 likeWhy would you even give a crap about loud music? You're literally going into a gas station to pick up something and will be gone in about 5 minutes.
3 likes51:00 If things are starting to escalate or you feel uncomfortable, you could've just left.
2 likesMove your car away from there's, go get your fiance and leave the gas station.
Loud music? Move your car. A guy says "fuck you", move your car. Guys says "I should kill you", move your car. If at any point you start fearing for your life, remove yourself from the situation.
will all that alcohol he drank he was always going to be a menace to himself and others.his fiancee should take some of the blame.
0 likesplus easy access to guns and you have a situation totally out of control.
I was living in Jacksonville when this happened. The most shocking thing is that his demeanor and way of answering questions doesn't change after he was told that the victim was unarmed. That would have rattled anybody and made them doubt themselves, even if they were able to later rationalize it. He already knew that boy didn't have a gun.
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Yup it’s so wrong like he didn’t care about what he did. He killed young man. Gave them no chance to run.
11 likesYep he was drunk and is trying to rationalize it to his sober self
1 likeIve lived in Jacksonville my whole life and I cant stand this guy, its disgusting
0 likeshow would you know that
0 likes@ChickenIsGood There's no way you could have watched the hour long video or researched the case and still think that Dunn thought the poor boy had a gun. I know JCS didn't dive into witness testimony, but a neutral witness heard Dunn say "You aren't going to talk to me like that." This was a man who felt disrespected, and his response was to kill.
1 likeWasn’t news to him
0 likesEveryone say it with me: "I would like a lawyer."
0 likesThe most high definition courtroom footage. Depp heard didn’t have this camera quality
0 likesThank God the witnesses took down his license plate. They probably would’ve found them with the video surveillance of her at the cash register as well.
0 likesIt sounds like he'd imagined this scenario with his ex-military buddies and decided on his fertile imagination that this was it.
1 likethe poor fiance probably internalizes this as her fault, because she had the idea to pull up to the gas station. seeing her hand shaking while she gave her oath was unbelievably sad :(
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Ik she was so scared:( she deserved better
27 likesYou never really know a person...
14 likesPoor victim, shot in his lungs and heart. Bleed to death within 45 minutes. The fiance lives to see another day, she will be ok.
37 likes@cookie22100 45 seconds...
46 likesThe guilt when she said they went there for her to get cigs, so sad :(
5 likes@Toshio well shit, even worse.
2 likes@Zero Depressive you have a point there. Regardless, the boy was murdered after doing a mundane task. It's tragic either way.
6 likes@Zero Depressive calm down Mr depressed
0 likesWhat about the friend in the backseat who said to put the music back on?! He has Absolutely No Guilt to bare...but I bet he's dealing with some 😢
5 likes@cookie22100 Nobody says they don't feel guilty for the victim... But that doesn't mean their life is the only one impacted. Imagine those other kids in the car who have to live with the memory of their friend dying in their arms, or indeed this kind lady whose life got thrown upside down. If someone you love(d) and respect(ed) ever commits a terrible crime you'll know how this lady feels. It's not something you get over. It's something you carry with you for life.
6 likesI feel bad for her. She seems like a super sweet lady too. How she got mixed up with this psycho is mind blowing 🤯
2 likesI feel this... I've dealt with this feeling... The "What if I didn't rush my bf that day... He'd still be here."
4 likesYe...
This video is all too real.
@Whizzie the Wise :( Sorry for your loss.
1 likeShe acted. it.
0 likes@Whizzie the Wise hugs for Ming Ming
0 likesJoeNoobie she was scared and in shock probably. fight or flight
7 likes@Thanh Nguyen She encouraged him to flee the scene of the crime, and when the cops caught them before they could get out of the state, she rolled over on him and said everything she could to remove her culpability. That doesn't sound like a good person. Fight or flight response is exactly that. A response. She was never put in a threatening situation other than the threat of going to prison for being an accessory to murder.
1 like@cookie22100 Well that's unnecessarily insensitive. That's like getting in a car accident and someone dies and you say "well you didn't die so stop crying". This was a traumatic experience for everyone involved and it will be a heavy burden to carry
6 likes@SMG2fanatic did I say it was not a traumatic experience for everyone involved? Learn to take the context for what it is, don't assume my reasoning.
0 likes@cookie22100 fine, but if you can’t see how your original comment could be seen as discrediting the fiancé’s experience in this context, then I don’t know what to tell ya
5 likes@JoeNoobie He reportedly was abusive and controlling to her and previous women he had relationships with. She may have feared for her own life, and just wanted to get through the situation to a moment when she felt safe.
6 likes@SMG2fanatic Maybe stop focusing on how something could be seen, and take it for what it is.
0 likes@T. Istist he's the one that got shot isn't he?
2 likes@Dee-Dee Richman I'd have to watch again - you might be right
1 likeJoeNoobie what culpability? She was in the store. She didn’t even know he had shot and killed someone when he left the scene of the crime. She found out the next morning. You’re judging her based on her reaction in that moment?
3 likesDarlene Richman yes.
1 like@DRT XD Relative to what ? Because relative to Cancer it kinda is.
0 likesboohoo poor girl that's no way involved in the whole thing
0 likes@JoeNoobie its almost like people don't want to go to prison for retarded crimes they didn't commit and wouldnt want to have committed. Yet her cooperating with the state makes her somehow a bad person
1 likeReal sad for her :-(
0 likesShe should know that it’s not her fault at all. It would have happened sooner or later whether she was there or not. He was a ticking time bomb.
1 likeThese guys make going to prison look so easy.
0 likes"When the music starts the shooting starts."
0 likes-Micheal Dunn
How much you wanna bet this was also racially motivated, hence the “thug music”
2 likesToo many fears of scenes from Boys in the hood. Clear example of white fear and how he doesn't get emotional until he talks about his wife. I've seen that many times with psychopathic murders.
1 likeSo many people literally give up their rights the second they talk to these detectives. In Mikes case, he thought he was such a good bullshitter. But, ended up not being able to remember all the bullshit he was spewing. Mr “Victor” didn’t seem all that victorious in that interrogation room now did he !
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Well said. That’s it, that’s all.
5 likes@Ma’am Yes Ma’am 👌
1 likeParkour_ Bear 🐻 has
0 likes@Carla Thomas Sadly I think the race card may be just here.
5 likes@Carla Thomas I agree.
0 likesUnbelievably it never occurred to him that he was being charged. Thank god this guy is put away. He was a danger. RIP to the victim. The poor mother and his friends must be traumatized.
5 likesexactly my thoughts!
0 likesExtreme hubris comes often with narcissism.
1 likeI think some people don't know how long they have to wait for a lawyer.. And are society today is.. I want it now, easily tempted and sometimes bad self control.. So not knowing how long he might have to be in jail for before he can talks to a lawyer, he rather get it over with now and bullshit his way threw then be scared of the unknown. To be honest it's better to be scared then talk to the police no matter what you're in trouble for lol.
1 likeAnd the award🏆 goes to parkour_bear..lol
0 likes@Jennifer Adams I don't want him having a lawyer
0 likesI want all evildoers to admit all their evil deeds fast and Correctly
I would say that this case have some things common with the Drejka case.
0 likesBc both man had a gun and both wanted to finally use the gun. But not with empty cans of cola, they both wanted living target.
And both chose Afroamerican man. Both were racists. And both said it was self defence.
And i just want to say big complain to the wife, bc some women playing stupid or they lie for their man. She was honest from the jump. She not even tried to lie.
It’s terrifying to think there’s a guy who will shoot you cause he doesn’t like your Spotify playlist
3 likesSuch a sad story, 3 young black teens who were only guilty of being rude teenagers ending up on the wrong end of a gun . Prayer to the victim and the families affected .
0 likesHe shot at these kids 10 times because he did not like them talking back about their music. I think the most surprising part in all of this is they didn’t even shoot back. This reckless action could’ve had way more consequences 🙏🏾 for the victim and his loved ones
0 likesThe kind of lady his fiancé is, she’s probably going to blame herself for the rest of her life, thinking it never would’ve happened if they didn’t stop for wine.
1964 likesThat’s a burden she shouldn’t have to live with.
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Oh my goodness :'( poor girl eghh
31 likesyes.
130 likesI also think she feels responsible and/or guilty for being with a man with clear "beliefs" like this.
you can tell she doesn't stand for that shit and doesn't want anyone to think she does.
Yeah, it still would have happened at some point...
12 likes@Imani Dominguez I was thinking that when she related the conversation: "I hate that thug music," and "I know you do."
74 likesSucks but she probably wondered if she could have done more to change him. Not her responsibility though.
@Bigby B you’re absolutely right. Plus, WE can’t change anyone. That person has to want that themselves.
33 likesBut I hope she knows that it’s very clear and we all see she isn’t anything like her bigoted ass ex-fiancé.
What’s even sadder is SHES feeling the trauma & regret that HE isn’t. After he literally murdered a whole TEENAGER! Disgusting
Not to derail the focus away from the responsibility that her fiance holds, but let's not forget that this woman did not call the police when she knew he had shot at a car, she did not call the police when she found out that he had killed a 17 year old, she suggested that they just drive home. Not exactly the behaviour I'd expect from a compassionate harmless woman :/
44 likes@Landon That’s true, I mean, all we’re dealing with is conjecture, for all we know, she would’ve never called the cops had they not found them, and that’s morally reprehensible.
27 likesBut honestly, if that was true, I couldn’t justify it, but I’d still understand where she’d be coming from, sometimes people are just conflicted between doing the right thing & protecting their loved ones even though it would be the wrong decision to make. It’s human nature.
My point was sometimes things people do affect their loved ones more than they affect the people themselves, & as a man, the guy should’ve known the trauma his actions would cause his to be wife, he’s a stain on manhood.
@Landon that is true. She did the right thing by being honest after the fact but she didn't call the police. Well, one last night with her man may be what she needed then. Can't imagine wanting to sleep next to a murderer but hey....
13 likes@Yours Truly yeah I agree. The whole thing of her being honest with the police now though throws me off a little. I can't help but think she realized how screwed they were when the police actually came looking for them that she decided to make sure he went down without her. It could've just been poor judgement in the moment or lack of understanding that stopped her from calling the police, but I'm not entirely convinced that there isn't some acting going on.
7 likes@Imani Dominguez - Women think they can change a man, it is prevalent all over the World and probably will be until the Earth dies, if that ever happens.
2 likes@Nun Ya I don’t disagree with you but it’s not just women who think that.
7 likesThe same way you have men who think they can take a woman who belong to the streets and make her a wife.
People think they can change people.
It’s not a gendered issue. It’s a HUMAN issue. 🤷🏽♀️
@Matt Turner you been waiting to use that reference all your life , haven't you?
6 likes😂😂😂
@Imani Dominguez yeah cause I didn’t just discover this channel yesterday. As you can clearly tell by clicking my name. You got me !!! 😐🙄
0 likes@Matt Turner discovering a video/ channel has absolutely no correlation with you holding onto "Sigmund Fraud" , dude. LOL
3 likesbut it's okay. i know i got you. we all do it.
we all think of things to say before arguments started with random strangers on the internet. It's fine 😉😂😂😂
@Matt Turner Ooh I made the simplest of “probable” deductions from watching another human being talk & behave, I MUST be a psychoanalytical poser.
5 likesBut I get why it baffles you, cuz there’s many specific sets of behavioral characteristics that normal human beings can associate with others based on their body language & general demeanor, it’s a skill humans learn from making friends & socializing instead of starting YouTube pissing contests from their mom’s basements.
@Landon I’ve heard her explanation as to why she didn’t call the police and it was totally reasonable.
1 likethe way she says things like "yes, I know" to things that are obviously unreasonable that he says tells me that there's some measure of verbal abuse and that she's just trying to get through a conversation without being yelled at for disagreeing with him. It hurts to watch.
3 likes@Sidewinder yea she’s a good hearted lady
0 likesExactly. She seems so weak.
0 likes@Enter User Name no she’s kind not weak but then again u might be right cause what else would u expect from women
0 likesI don't feel sorry for her. At all.
0 likeswell, they snitched, she can console herself knowing they broke the code of the streets the music they listen to promotes.
0 likesShe seems so sweet 💔
0 likesWell she is ALIVE to feel whatever way she feels. Lol. Someone how she's the victim out of all of this lol. Typical
1 likeEverything that is supposed to happen, happens. That was their fate.... she may not think that way though
0 likes@Landon You can’t deduce that she wasn’t “compassionate” or “harmless” from her not calling police - she seems like the submissive type. He probably told her it would be better to deal with the cops in their own town. She seems like a nice lady, honest.
2 likesI love how you all know how she feels :D Youtube experts in everything are at it once again.
0 likes@Yours Truly Unfortunately I believe you are 100% correct. Time bomb
0 likes@Sidewinder exactly. that’s how my mom used to respond to my alcoholic and abusive dad to prevent him having a big boy meltdown. it was always “yes honey” or “i know honey” i’ve heard it all for over 20 years.
0 likesI guarantee that man was displaying all types of odd behavior that his wife was teaching herself to overlook.
5 likesInstead of giving the wife a pass, I bet there were many things that she ignored about her husband that could have been a warning that he wasn't the Altruistic Gun Owner that he portrays himself as.
A woman I know, was married to a man who had an unhealthy obsession with firearms. However on the surface he could easily be overlooked. He would regularly avoid social things with his wife to stay home pressing bullets into the spent shells that he collects off the ground at the shooting range. This guy had a room filled with 60 lbs ammo boxes, stacked to the ceiling. He would walk around their house often wearing his holstered weapon, doing things like dry firing at TV characters, "practicing his draw." I'm not saying there's anything wrong with being an enthusiast, but there are little things you start to notice about somebody. When you're have your wife answer the doorbell after 11pm, and you're standing on the stairs pointing a chambered weapon "over her shoulder," you a crazy MF. Eventually it escalated to where she says once they were arguing, he was wearing his holster and he pulled his weapon on her. He said it was a muscle memory thing that he didn't mean. She's not married to him any more and she did report that incident because she was afraid he might wind up one of these shooters on the news.
@Landon yes I agree, I got the impression that if they got home and no one caught them she would spend the rest of her life just pretending it didn’t happen
0 likes@PixelsRnautDed the way he openly talked about having practiced getting the gun out of the console. He was waiting for the opportunity to do this and would’ve used any excuse
0 likes@Imani Dominguez "I hate that thug music" "I know"
0 likes@Landon I mean that is accurate, however what if she feared for her own life or being shot at/harmed if she mentioned something right away. Maybe getting home was an escape to not be in the same room as him/in his harms way.
0 likesShe sure sold his ass out on that stand though, didn't she?!
0 likesI feel so bad for Rhonda. Such an honest person, and when she's cross examined, she knows every answer is destroying their relationship, and probably putting her Mike away. Tragic.
2243 likesBut she dodged a bullet. She woulda ended up as his wife.
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She seems so kind and innocent. She didn't do anything wrong and now she's in the unfortunate position of loving a cold-blooded racist murderer and being in the national spotlight. I wish her identity was concealed from the public, that would make sense to me.
140 likesWhen she took the stand her voice just hurt me 😔
55 likes@Cierra Rose She deserved better.
65 likesThis guy was just internally racist and it took a little alcohol to unhinge him. It's not like he got shit-faced, more like his true self came out.
Such a good woman...
Serpentine Deity she really is such a good women and deserves a down to earth man. I just feel so bad she had to fall in love with someone just for them to be like this. She does deserve better
25 likesFreddie thats what I was thinking.This dude is scary sick due to arrogance ,people think its not that bad being arrogant ,yet this is it of the very 1st order. She has gotta find someone else, by default.
9 likesHers was an extraordinarily compelling testimony. I'd imagine Dunn's defense lawyers knew he was sunk.
14 likesI really hope the victims family isn't harboring any negitve feelings for her. She really was a poor soul in the wrong place because of someone she loved and trusted her mental state must of been a mess. She really did the hardest thing anyone could possibly do by testifying against your life partner.
26 likesShe was racist though
3 likes@Annabel I missed that part, how?
24 likes@E.B Hunter don't pay her comment no mind, she's just a troll fanning the flames.
17 likesE.B hunter I don’t know exactly, but she was basically endorsing her racist fiancees behavior and is still with despite him being a racist
9 likesstation do you have proof of that ?
16 likesNow you're just making other wild assumptions, lol. We have no idea if the guy was also a wife killer. For all we know he could have been very tender and caring to his wife.
13 likesEven hitler was a dog lover. Some people push their hatred toward select groups, while maintaining relationships well with other's, but yeah, let's paint this guy as bad as possible.
I'm all for condemning bad people, but there's no need to make other unreasonable assumptions based off absolutely no evidence whatsoever.
17 likesIts just a chick
1 like@E.B Hunter At the very least, it seems like his racism wasn't a deal breaker for her.
13 likesYeah, she’s so honest that she tossed her guy under the bus for a bunch of worthless punks... great gal, we all need a woman like that 🙄
2 likesI mean, she does seem like someone that just happened to find herself in a terrible situation and it clearly fucked with her. But this guy is obviously racist and capable of cold blooded murder. I find it hard to believe he didn't display some of these traits in some manner in the 4 years they were together, so it makes me wonder about her own character. I'm not accusing her of anything, but it raises questions.
10 likes@VanessaMW 11 She seems quite fragile, he surely kinda took control over her
14 likesAt least she still has Charlie.
3 likesPeteena Poodle Why Styvan? Why? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
1 like@Wes Richards Understand what you mean. I also respect women who stand by their men. But on the other hand, I see her as idealistic. She places the Truth ahead of her relationship with whatshisname, the murderer. I don't think she was doing it for the punks (if they were punks; maybe they were just music lovers). She'd be speakin' truth no matter who it hurt, or helped. The poignant drama here is that she spoke Truth even though it hurt herself, and whatshisname. Mo betta whatshisname thought a few things through before he whipped out his piece. Too late now.
7 likesHow do you know she's honest? Wtf
1 like@CreamPuff lmfao ok....what did she lie about? She literally threw her fiancee under the bus and you think she lied? How do you know she LIED?
5 likesYou feel bad for Rhonda...How about feeing just a little bad for Jordan Davis, the MURDER victim? And perhaps his FAMILY? Ya think?
8 likesqueen of the gas station how?
1 likeTo me this is one of those secret racist.. she says.... "Yeah I know" when he says he hates that loud music... he's expressed it to her, she knows...
4 likesWes Richards worthless punks?? when HE started it? smh just say you’re racist and go.
5 likesRuak i felt the same way. he actually said “i hate that THUG music”. and she agreed. she’s a closeted racist, and he’s open about it. i don’t feel bad for her
1 likeYes
0 likes@Dear Me big facts
0 likesI don't think she's completely without fault as she did say she told him that they should go home after seeing the news about the shooting and finding out that one of the victims was dead. She missed two opportunities to get him to turn himself in. I know she wasn't fully aware of the entire situation when they first fled the scene, but shooting (whether it results in death or not) outside if a range is illegal so she should have urged him to go to the police at that time, if only to report the supposed threat to his life, let alone after seeing the news the next morning. I definitely give her a lot of credit, though, for being honest with the police when questioned.
1 like@TheMrsGeorgeHarrison Eh can't really pin it on her. She was confused and literally didn't know the exact story. She just wanted to go home. She did nothing wrong, if he confessed to murder to her then yes going to the police was the right answer. Try putting yourself in her shoes. The love of your life just killed someone and is claiming self defense, you no very little details at all about what happened, what are you going to do in the exact moment? Go straight to the police without even knowing exactly what happened yourself? No that's a silly expectation. Even seeing it on the news doesn't tell her what happened just yet. So once the police got involved she told her story exactly as truthful as she could and that's all we really should of expected from her. She is in no way to blame for any of this and putting any amount of blame on her at all is a miscarriage of justice. She is also a victim because she lost whom she thought was the love of her live. Its a shitty situation for everyone because of what a terrible person her future husband turned out to be. You can't control the actions of your loved ones and that is that. Also she was scared, she didn't want to aggravate him and telling him to go confess to the police is definitely a bad move if you don't want to get shot and killed too.
1 likeFor someone who hates "thugs" so much, wildly firing a gun into a car over a petty argument is probably the most thug-like thing you could do.
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Best comment I’ve read tonight 💯
54 likesThis was a guy who couldn't handle what was, at worst, a teen or two in a car telling him to fuck off. I once worked a call center job (claims reporting for a major insurance carrier - the clients called us to report accidents and injuries, we didn't make cold calls, just to clarify.). I regularly got called all sorts of horrible things by irate callers - and to be fair, I think most of the people who went off weren't normally assholes, they were just having a horrible day and emotions run high when you're stressed out. But some were just assholes. And you know, I never went out and shot anyone over getting called things. Mostly I just flipped off the phone during their rants because they couldn't see it and it made me feel better. Maybe take a quick breather after a particularly bad one.
99 likesI was in my early 20s when I worked there. I was more a peer of these teens than to Dunn. A grown-ass man couldn't handle being around some noisy teens for the amount of time it took for his fiance to run inside a gas station mini mart. I mean, it's a fucking convenience store. You stop at these places for maybe 10 minutes, tops, if it's busy. You're not hanging around there unless you're an employee, or your car is broken down and you're waiting for a tow.
@Navikthered
60 likesYeah pretty much anyone who has worked a retail or service industry job has endured far worse. But I guess most people aren’t racist drunks.
PREACH
4 likesIt's basically the same story as the Lee Roberts case that JCS did. This is just another gun guy who has fantasized so hard about "not being a victim" that he created the threat in his mind to finally live out that hero moment he's been waiting for.
64 likeswhat's the most valiant thug thing to do ? tell me so i can try it...
1 likeExactly!
0 likespeople often dislike others because they see their 'bad' traits in them and are ignorant to it
2 likesHe acted abused his exes and pulled guns on them.
1 like@Fus ion No clue what your point is here.
8 likesFunny thing these guys are so narcissistic that they think every one else is the bad guy. They are always the victim and are always justify
4 likesSomething tells me "Thug" wasn't the word he actually used.
14 likesYesss!!
1 likefacts
1 like@Fus ion what?
2 likesi mean what would you do if the dude you asked a second time to turn down the music then says "Yea, I'm talkin to you" and proceeds to pull a gun on you. what would you do if someone was imminently about to shoot you?
1 likeprojection
1 like@Professionally Correct my point is that the original comment glorifies thugs and "thug behavior" by belittling the perpetrator (the most thug thing he could do), i am not defending his actions but "thug behavior" cannot be glorified, at least that's what i think.
1 likeOften times this sentence ""is that the most thug thing you can do??"" or similar ones promote violence in teenage boys, you would know it if you have been through, if someone says that , they're taunting you & you being a teenager will most likely act upon that, so don't provoke shit!
the victim here cursed & yelled & maybe threatened mike dunn and he didn't deserve to die for that .....
someone needs to tell teenagers this kind of behavior is dangerous! you never what the other person might or might not do so why not be cautious while in public , instead of confrontation try and avoid it, it doesn't make you a coward, but that contradicts with thug mentality which dictates that if someone tells you to lower the volume of your playing music , you should reply ""fuck that bich , imma kill that bich, i should kil that bich""
why the hell did i write all this.....
Thugs is code for him being racist against young black men. He feels insecure and threatened by them
6 likes@Fus ion Because as we all know, teenagers implicitly trust adults who tell them what they can and cannot do.
7 likes("Thug" is a dog-whistle racist epithet used to refer to black men, and "thug music" is a nonsensical term if you use the word by any other definition. if the exact same events had occurred, but the kids were white, this guy wouldn't have even considered pulling out his gun.)
@Scratch-O yeah i get the point about thugs & thug music but this guy would have shot white kids regardless because he felt humiliated as the witness said he yelled ""you won't talk to me that way!!"" and shot the kid, so he is that kind of a guy .....
0 likesRight.
1 like"I hate thugs"
Opens fire at car full of unarmed kids for disrespecting him
@Scratch-O a thug is a criminal. It literally has nothing to do with race. Just because the far left extremists are trying to make it a racist word does not make it so.
3 likes@Adeline First off, language is a constantly evolving system, and currently, the only white people who still get called "thugs" after the eighties are the ones that stand in front of club entrances or next to VIPs. Second, please give me an example of a politician you consider a "far-left extremist."
4 likes@Scratch-O Imagine still unironically using the word "racist" on the Internet.
1 like@Suwako Moriya What?
3 likes@Scratch-O Seethe cope dilate.
1 like@Suwako Moriya Sorry, you're gonna have to explain this one to me. I know what a "cope" is, but not "dilate" or "seethe."
2 likes@Fus ion I think you completely missed the point. The op. Wasn’t glorifying thug ness at all. But pointing out the irony of mike Dunn’s disdain for thugs. And acting like a compete thug.
2 likes@Scratch-O Sneed's Feed and Seed (Formerly Chuck's)
0 likesit was just a kid and wasn’t trying to hurt anybody
1 likeI was waiting for the officer to say that literally
0 likesBest comment here
0 likes@AJ A sad reality
0 likes@Demagogue It’s why I stopped working retail I wanted to strangle some customers sometimes.
0 likes@UC3IuV6bAtWiIdIYE4S4XWrw yeah my guess is he was hammered racist
0 likesBut also old gen and actually genuinely scared of black people due to reinforced systemic stereotypes that he genuinely and falsely believed to be true
So he massively overreacted and believed his life was at risk.
Either way, still not the cold blooded type of racist looking to kill blacks, just a drunk pssy who is afraid of them for all of the wrong reasons willing to go to extremes if a percieved threat exists
@Scratch-O It can be, but I don't think that's the origin of the term or its actual meaning. According to what I found, a "thug" is:
0 likes1. a violent person, especially a criminal.
"he was attacked by a gang of thugs"
2. (historical) a member of a group or organization of robbers and assassins in India who waylaid and strangled their victims, usually travelers, and stole their belongings. They were suppressed by the British in the 1830s.
Obviously it's racist to assume all black men are violent criminals, and that appears to be where the confusion arises. But it isn't a purely racist term, any more than "rapist" is - though probably a lot of racists would maliciously apply that pejorative to black and Latino men.
@Scratch-O a dog whistle? do you remember 2pac? he brought thug life to the masses. fucking dog whistle hahahaha
0 likesTruth. He went hood real quick.
0 likes@Fus ion I don't see the original comment as glorifying thugs. He literally just used the idiot's own words against him. It was the asshole who assumed these young men were "thugs" based on their skin. Then he turned around and acted exactly what he accused these young men of being (basing the actions "thugs" are assumed to do). So I see exactly what the comment meant. He acted exactly the way he assumed these boys would act.
1 likeI think we all know what he means by the word "thugs"
1 like“Those animals“ and “I was the victim, but I was also the victor“ tell us a lot of what is going on in this man’s head.
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I had the same thought. It’s disturbing that he killed a kid and he calls himself a “victor.”
147 likesExactly right as he said that I was confused 😐 he was clearly boasting about killing the kid
36 likesi'm the 666th like lol
3 likes@Hot Wheels Truly a sociopath. No empathy whatsoever. Worse still, he even told to the police —and one stand IRRC— that “there was nothing he would have changed different” if he could go back in time. Like, not even roll your window up or just move your car if someone else’s music is making you so mad to the point you want to shoot them? And now you are a murderer spending the rest of your life in prison? Jesus Christ he is twisted.
44 likes@Jessie my dog! No worries, 666 is not even close to the most evil thing in this video. Michael Dunn makes 666 look like 420 or 69 and a bouquet of roses by comparison. Lol
14 likes@Jen T twisted af
2 likesAgree
0 likes@Insidious Vidz Agreed, I think sociopathy is the best fit.
0 likesI mean… both are correct technically.
0 likes@Insidious Vidz He just defended himself
1 like@Jazza BigHits who just defended themselves?
0 likes@TheInsomniaddict indeed
0 likes@Lincoln Rockwell Both what? He was a “victim” in this scenario?
0 likesDid I miss something? Did his sense of entitlement go up to strangers on someone else's property to tell them to turn down the music? He's telling people at a convenience store to lower their volume?
0 likes@Cindy Ashley Yes. You missed a lot if this is all you believe happened. Instead of waiting two minutes for his girlfriend to come out and then they could leave or moving to another spot all the parking lot his sense of entitlement went up to another vehicle — gun in hand — telling other people minding their own business to turn the music down. There was also this pesky little thing called murder that took place which is why he is in prison for the rest of his life.
5 likesThe fact that he sits in jail whining and saying “I’m the fucking victim” and refusing to let the matter go when his fiancée wanted to let it go says a lot about him. Disgusting.
3 likesBased
0 likes@Sam subhuman??? what? he literally killed a teenager over music, lied to try and save his own ass and then proceeded to call himself the victim...
3 likes@goatsmilky the teenager pointed a gun at him so it wasn't over loud music it was bc they threatened his life after disrespecting their elders' request to turn down the music
0 likes@goatsmilky Sam is a troll mate. Not worth your time or effort.
0 likesHe was a software developer, now he's dealing with other guy's hardware in prison.
1 like@Cindy Ashley It was a public place. He could have put on his big boy pants and just lived with it for a couple of minutes, yet he went full tantrum. I'll tell you what, I don't like loud noises either, but if I were in his situation, I would have been a sane adult and just ignored it.
2 likesLol@ Lou Seinas
0 likes@Sam I sincerely hope you are not vaccinated and have no plans of doing so.
0 likes@Philip Craig They are under gunfire and in the middle of escaping on a Moving vehicle after a highly risky J-turn manoever, Please DO ENLIGHTEN me how you dial your phone in that kind of situation.
0 likesAnd we can throw that question back to Dunn. Why he doesn't call the cops when they are blaring loud music? He is in a Convenience Store, not his own yard. He can call the cops and report a Public Disturbance instead of shooting TEN ROUNDS, I repeat TEN .45 ACP PISTOL ROUNDS to 3 unarmed teenage boys on Someone else's Private Property. If I own the store, I will report THE GUY WHO SHOT FIRST. I don't care if a bunch of Kids blare Rap music with 50 Volume and Deepfry level Bass Boost... But, Nobody will play Cowboy on my Store.
And let's say they did have a gun tucked in their truck, DISREGARDING evidence found by LEO. The kids doesn't brandish their gun first, it's Dunn that do it first. Dunn is the Aggresor in this situation. Even if they are packing AKs / ARs, it doesn't matter because Dunn drew and, even SHOT, first
The way the innocent woman Rhonda shows astronomically more remorse and sorrow for what happened then the ADULT MAN WHO FIRED 10 SHOTS INTO A CAR BECAUSE OF A DISAGREEMENT is absolutely tragic. Rhonda, you're a good lady. I'm sorry you had to experience the trauma of that event. I hope you are able to find peace that you WERE NOT THE CAUSE.
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I agree. She shouldn't have to feel guilty for what he did!
62 likesShe knew he was a racist! As a nurse, what did she do to heal him?
13 likesIt wasnt a disagreeement. A racist committed a hate crime.
46 likes@Deborah Hershey yeah, there's no way she didn't know he's a racist in the time she knew him. But she still shouldn't feel guilty for his actions.
44 likesThan*
0 likesDisagreement? It was a death threat
1 like@Stepping On Legos It was a murder. He wasn't threatened.
38 likes@ECsix He was threatened though? I distinctly remember the victim's friends recounting during witness testimony that his friend admittedly uttered "lets kill him" towards the start of this video. Was it or was it not in contention?
2 likes@Stepping On Legos After he confronted them aggressively. If true I'd interpret that as a veiled threat by a kid, wanting the ADULT to leave them alone.
17 likes@Frogstarr He confronted them aggressively? Was it not in question the fact that he asked the teens to turn the music down- to which it prompted the threat response? My only dog in this fight is the idea that this was a "disagreement" as OP puts it as.
1 like@Stepping On Legos If that is true, then he should simply walk away. Its a store not his front lawn. He goes in, cant hear it anymore, buys a bottle of wine and drives off. Instead he pulls out a gun and starts blasting away. Youre acting like playing music is way worse than murder. Youre insane. Or racist. Probably both.
27 likesAgree.! Rest in peace Jordan.
1 likeAh yes, she contacted the authorities and as a nurse stopped to render aid... Oh wait, she didn't do jack shit until they were caught... She may not be criminally liable but morally, she fucked up beyond what I'd consider to be acceptable and she sure as FUCK is no saint that I hope will be able to find peace.
3 likes@Michael May you really blame her to be confused and scared in the moment from the gunshots outside and her husband’s story that they may come after them? When it isn’t clear to anyone at that point that someone did get hurt? Cognitive dissonance is insane for you
17 likes@Stepping On Legos shots ring out in the parking lot
6 likesdon't worry baby let's just go back to the hotel and drink some rum
@Stepping On Legos Imagine some Black guy comes up to you, and orders you and your friends to turn your hillbilly music down. And when you dont, you argue. You threaten him so he kills a couple of your friends. Would you say its your fault?Easiest way to figure out bullying is to work out who approached who.
2 likes@Frogstarr You mischaracterize the entire situation with that analogy. It wasn't in question that Dunn that had asked, not ordered, that the music be turned down. It's not in question that when he asked for it to be turned down, he didn't describe it as "thug" music or whatever equivalent of "hillbilly" you're trying to draw from.
4 likesHe requested that the music be turned down, which was turned back up after a moment, then the teenagers made a threat to his life.
It seems as though the teenagers, as unjustified the shooting was, who were the ones who were doing the bullying.
@Stepping On Legos According to him the teenagers made a threat on his life but there's no proof of that. The officer interviewing him even says that none of the others in the car said they heard that(but did admit to the guy mouthing off at him in other ways). Even Dunn doesn't even seem sure of it and points out that he could barely hear them. He even claimed they had a gun to try to prove his point, which just proved to be BS. Even according to his own statement, it was really only one of the teenagers that was being an ass about the music(the others turned it off at first and it was just that one guy mouthing off about it)
21 likesThe teenagers weren't bullying a grown ass man. A grown ass man couldn't handle that someone didn't respect his request and ended up shooting them over nothing.
@Arcade Rat I clearly remember one of the teenager’s testimonies claiming that one of them did indeed say something along the lines of “lets kill him”. If I’m to be mistaken, it’s still ultimately not a disagreement as OP suggested
0 likes@Stepping On Legos Well, you are mistaken, I suggest rewatching it. Around 35 minutes is where the officers say that the friends said the guy was mouthing off but no one said anything about the kid saying he was going to kill him. 37 minutes is when the officers also tell him that no one in the parking lot heard it either(While also specifying that they are independent witnesses). I'd also suggest rewatching the testimony from the other guys in the car from the start of the video because they didn't say what you think they said.
18 likesAnd if it's not a disagreement, what is it? They didn't agree on the volume of the music, that is the whole cause of this. He wanted them to turn it down and the kid he killed wanted to keep it loud and when they didn't turn it back down and mouthed off too much, he shot at them. All of his claims about it being self defense were proving to be BS (No gun in the car or anything that could have looked like a pipe, the trajectory of the bullet holes proved they weren't getting out of the car like he claimed and he continued to fire when they were trying to get away). If there had been anything that could collaborate his claim that his life was threatened, he wouldn't have gotten 90 years for attempted murder and life for murder.
So yes, it started as a disagreement, and Dunn took it way too far. It wasn't self defense from a death threat.
A smart person would have ignored the music and waited for his fiance which took about 10 minutes to come out the store and just proceed on. Or if the music was that loud go in the store and wait, or better yet move to another. A dead teenage and life in prison all over his ego.
10 likes@Анастасия Сенцова Well his 90 years + life prison sentence would suggest otherwise. He's only innocent by his own claims, claims which were disproven in court and he has no support on (Even from his fiance)
8 likes@Arcade Rat nah he's factually innocent
0 likes@Анастасия Сенцова Maybe innocent of not being guilty.
14 likes@Анастасия Сенцова How can you look at all the evidence presented in this video and think he's innocent?
4 likes@Nick Dimitre how can you look at all the evidence in this video and think he's not?
0 likes@Анастасия Сенцова Чем ты докажешь?
0 likes@Michael May its no fault of hers. The guy did the shooting and killed the kid. He was hoping to get away with it thats why he was shouting to her to get in the car she didn't even know what day it was. She a good woman she has not lied for him
0 likes@Deborah Hershey She’s a nurse, not a miracle worker.
2 likesshes not a victim. she knew the guy for 4 years... she clearly knew and was content with marrying a racist animal with anger issues.
2 likes@K1LLERBEE11 She did know because this wasn’t the first time he had acted out violently. He attacked a guy talking on the street curb about Jesus and the Bible, and holding signs. Dunn took offense to what they were saying, and punched one in the face after screaming at them. He ran from the scene ( go figure), but was recognized by others that witnessed it. The victim refused to press charges so Dunn was never charged. They broke up after this for a short period. He referred to this in their jail audio calls once.
2 likes@graygirlful Doesnt take a "miracle worker" to call the police and render aid. it takes a nurse.
0 likes@Frogstarr I was referring to the comment about why Rhonda didn’t try to “ cure” him of being racist. I never said anything about rendering aid to the victims. 🤦♀️
0 likesHim calling himself the ‘victor’ really shows his true character.
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@Gib Bogle even after he learned the fact that nobody was armed and they were kids
87 likesMultiple times during this you can see a glimmer of pride in him over what appears to be getting one for “his side”. Putrid human.
57 likesSelf victimization Narcissism
10 likesCloset racist “thug music” he probably said something worse but his bird made it less racist
22 likesYep. You really got the nail on the head on that one. He wanted to be the man and win the argument the laziest way possible.
2 likes@Gib Bogle he said "VICTIM".... Not Victor.
0 likes@Joshua Carter He said both.
11 likes@Elia Elirko He already knew that. Even more disgusting.
4 likes@Joshua Carter he said "I was the victim...but also the victor" it's in the same phrase
5 likes@Elia Elirko with zero prior convictions
1 like@Phil thy and that gives them the right to beat and possibly try to kill him?
0 likes@Ante what?
2 likes@Ante But they didn't. If you paid attention, in the video it is stated there is forensic proof none of them ever left the car as the doors were not opened. Plus only the shooter said the kid threatened to kill him, all other witnesses said he just cussed him out.
4 likesSounds like Kyle rittenhouse to me
2 likesI know right, I thought his name was Mike
0 likesI do not live in the USA so i'm not well informed about the law there, but, as far as i can assume, the kids were in an open space, he was the one who parked next to them and proceeded telling them to turn the music down?
1 like@Joshua Carter victim victor same difference right?
0 likes@Alexandra Wolf Yup.
1 likeIs sickening
0 likesThis poor lady, every time she speaks it’s so quivery, I feel so bad for her. She just wanted to take care of her puppy and have some wine and pizza, which is exactly what most of us want in the end, and she has to deal with all of this. Tragic
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Yes the poor lady, AND the poor kid who lost his life?
148 likes@Kojo Degraft-Johnson reall I feel just awful for everyone in this situation with the exception of one obvious person
118 likes@Kojo Degraft-Johnson ayy man, one guy points out one thing in a video. Obviously we cant expect everyone to point out everything in a video just so they can make a statement about one part of it, thats unrealistic.
202 likesI would feel the same but I have slightly less sympathy because at the beginning when her fiancé said he doesn't like the "thug music" she said she knows, meaning he's been racist in front of her before. Maybe if that kind of attitude wasn't acceptable from the beginning he wouldn't have been so comfortable shooting teenagers in front of her. I don't know, it's not like it's her fault at all, but I personally would just never feel comfortable spending my life with someone so openly racist.
56 likes@Leader of Communist China look, granted it’s fair to sympathise with her but the reality is, life goes on for her yes she’s been apart of a tragic situation but in my opinion most of if not all the sympathy should be with the victim and his family that’s all I’m saying. Credit to her for doing the right thing.
24 likes@Kojo Degraft-Johnson Let us all listen to the godly wisdom of Kojo Degraft-Johnson, that governs who everyone is allowed to feel sympathy for and all other matters in the universe
36 likes@bleu jarr gold star for you! 🙌🏾
4 likes@Kenny J I get the sense that she has likely had to sit through many rants in the past few years she knew him and "I know" was her way of avoiding it without his anger shifting to her for "not caring" or "not listening".
39 likes@Kojo Degraft-Johnson I agree... I feel bad for both the lady and the kid and the kid's friends... even those who survived. I think Stone was just hitting on one of the many nails. You hit on another. Neither of you are wrong. I do truly feel for that woman though, because not only did she do the right thing, but that was (is) her fiance. She had to feel so damn conflicted in that moment. It doesn't lessen what happened to the kid, no... but I think we've all been in situations where we've been split in two, and that woman is totally split in two. Just hurts to see so outwardly how hard it was to do the right thing... maybe not hard to choose the right thing, but to endure doing it despite the pain. It's just all too real in her expression of emotion. I know I'd feel the same for the survivors of the victim.
17 likesImagine she goes on to marry one of the victims later, that would be the funniest "fuck you" towards Michael Dunn
4 likes@Kenny J Yes. Everybody has to do way, way, way better than this, even poor Rhonda. Racism speaks to character, it's foundational. It's not a quirk. It's very puzzling that she could overlook it if she's not racist herself, unless maybe he hid it at first. It wouldn't be a stretch to imagine him as abusive, at least emotionally, and I suppose she could have had difficulty leaving once his true character came out. Just speculating, because I don't quite understand people like this.
6 likes@Kenny J i mean, you can or can not like certain types of music. if i dont like RAP or Jazz (music that is part of the afroamerican culture) becouse of the rithyms am i racist?. if i dont like Banda wich is the most commun mexican music of ranchs, am i racist to the mexicans? i dont think she was racist. after all, she came out and did the right thing, even if that mean to lose her lofe of her life
2 likes@leonardo Moreno Aragón Yeah I'm not saying she herself was racist or that everyone has to love rap, but calling rap "thug" music is a racist remark itself.
10 likes@Kenny J not really
6 likes@Kathryn Stull Yes, exactly,. It's hard to know. I don't understand either.
0 likes@John Smith yes really
3 likes@Kenny J He definitely was, this kind of racist rage takes years to grow. He likely always makes racist remarks around her the only justification for her being his fiancé anyways is, that he probably was at least emotionally abusive to her. Which seems plausible but he also might not have been emotionally abusive to her at all so that's important to remember.
4 likes*edit nvm just watched entire thing. the only time she showed remorse was when it had to do with her murderer fiance.
@Kojo Degraft-Johnson How is that in any way helpful? If you want me to continue with your logic, why are you heartless monster disregarding the family of the kid who died, completely on purpose, of course?
4 likesIf you want a complete recollection of what happened and who the victims are, then you should watch the video, not try to expect a complete report of events accounting for all people in the story in a two line comment.
@leonardo Moreno Aragón Their point is more so that he uses thugs to describe innocent black teenagers playing an unspecified genre of music and simply labeling the music 'thug music' on the basis of it being played by black people or relating to the culture of black people is really racist, especially considering thugs are defined as criminals. I don't think Kenny said she was racist either, just that the wife was passive and a sort of enabler to some extent.
4 likesThere's no shortage of upstanding black people that would also characterize some rap as "thug" music and they wouldn't be wrong (or racist) for having that view.
5 likes@KateMich12 well, as someone who isn’t single, the thought of watching them go through trial being charged with attempted murder that I knew they committed, it’d effect me incredibly negatively, so I can empathize with her.
1 like@Kojo Degraft-Johnson Man shut up. He doesn't have to make a list .. he was pointing out the demeanor of the wife
1 likeshe’s so hot
0 likesShe didn’t call the police, that’s not what most of us want in the end.
0 likes@Kenny J 95% of rap is Thug music. They literally say it themselves in just about all their songs. And I’ve been listening to rap since the early 90s and am a huge fan.
3 likes@Kojo Degraft-Johnson Lol come on man that is such a slimy comment. You are pretty blatantly insinuating that OP doesn't care about the victims because they didn't specifically mention them.
1 likeThe original comment was upvoted so much because so many others sympathized with this woman.
Everyone feels terrible about the deceased, it's ok to recognize secondary victims of tragedies.
This seems so obvious but it seems like some people refuse to accept people feeling sympathy for more than just the primary victim.
@Kenny J could you please explain why calling certain music ‘thug’ is racist? I’m not trying to be condescending or rude, I’d genuinely like to know so I don’t offend anyone and can tell anyone who might say it why they shouldn’t call it that either (not that I usually go around calling anything thug anyway, but still). Hope this didn’t come off as rude. Thanks :)
0 likes@Kenny J Not liking rap doesnt make you racist. neither does thinking its "thug music". I know many old black folks that think the same
3 likes@BT GKG96 I get that Thug music is a label for Rap and I don't want to debate if it's racist or not. But if you are arrested for shooting at a black kid sitting in front of a black investigator, why would you ever make a statement that could even slightly be taken as racist? Did he hope the investigator would go "oh they listened to thug music? Guess it must be self defense then"
0 likes@Kenny J I feel slightly dumber after reading your comment
0 likesGuess what guys, people are accountable for their own actions and a wife saying I know isn’t enabling someone to try and gun down kids
1 like@Titvn Gaming thank you for explaining that so well
0 likes@Titvn Gaming I clarified in the original comment I don't think it was her fault. Just that dating a racist garners less sympathy from me.
0 likesalso, a boy died
0 likes@Stone Brick me too
0 likes@Kenny J I noticed the 'I know 'being said alot..here's the thing, I doubt if she called him out on his racism he wud stop..its how he is . And from expericne being around ppl with his temper etc it's easier to just say 'I know ' rather than get into a disagreement with them as they are a lot of work..she seems very timid and gentle spoken, doesn't seem she'd be able to handle herself around him
0 likestbh the lady is smart af. She folded like a wet paper bag because she had met the real him. From her demeanor and actions I would say she's unquestionably been a victim of abuse, either in the past or ongoing. She saw her chance to get him out of her life.
0 likes@Titvn Gaming Yes you are correct, she is not at fault for this kid dying, but enabling racism is a big reason it still exists. It doesn't mean she's racist, however glancing over racist remarks helps people like him justify them.
0 likes@Comment section guy with all due respect that doesn't warrant or justify a grown man shooting at children he parked next to.
0 likes@Comment section guy Pretty sure it is though lol
0 likes@Kenny J She is a suspected white supremacist. She's guilty by association. She also has no problem with his white supremacists epithets. So I feel the same way about her as I do him.
0 likes@Comment section guy And I'm saying you couldn't know either and given the guys description of the teenagers [i.e calling them 'animals'], he probably assumed it was thug music off of the basis of what they look like or just the fact that it could be hip-hop. Though again to refer to the latter, this guy said some typical dog whistle shit about the teenagers he attacked unprovoked.
0 likesI don't know why you mention drill music separately from trap either because it's a sub genre of the sub genre, that being hip-hop. Like you couldn't know either so why're you going ' if it was what I think it was' and then saying 'but we don’t know that' in the same comment? Bit odd innit?
@Comment section guy also ' On top of that a lot of rappers call themselves thugs.' doesn't really make them thugs and is pretty off topic and we could very much know given there were other witnesses in the parking lot.
0 likesHer whining about having a horrible trip home after the shooting. I have zero sympathy for her.
0 likes@Comment section guy
0 likesyoo im going to break this down if thats cool
>'Yes but it makes it thug music. They talk about being thugs and doing thug things.'
People claiming to be hard criminals wouldn't then make all of their music thug music inherently unless they meet the required standards as specified by you here. It just means they claim to be thugs. That's pretty much it.
>'And I said “if it was what I think it was” because it’s really the only music I hear played loudly and that I play loudly.'
With all due respect that's a really bad reason to assume it's inherently about crime, there's pop, vocaloid, raps that aren't about crime but daily issues or social issues, rock, etc. that can be played loudly. Some people just turn on the radio and blast whatever's on.
>'I really don’t know why you brought that up like I can’t suspect something without knowing it.'
Because you said the same thing to me.
>'The guy is no doubt racist and a piece of shit, but in general, calling trap music “thug music” isn’t wrong, let alone racist.'
Agreed but again, given he has a background of being racist and these kids came back from the mall/have a clean record [as specified in the video], meaning they're at least somewhat sociable/probably don't look up to criminals. Basically it's unlikely, but I agree that calling trap music thug music isn't racist. Because it isn't.
@Kenny J Calling rap "thug" music is not racist. The word "thug" is not even remotely a word that is specifically used to refer to black people, and there are plenty of non-black people that listen to rap music. While I personally wouldn't refer to it in such a manner, I would imagine that anyone who calls it "thug music" is likely referring to the overwhelming number of rap songs with lyrics that glorify violence and illegal/contrary activity.
0 likesi'm proud of her for being real. sometimes you got to throw someone under the bus they been waiting for
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The bus they built, stuck a brick under the gas pedal and stood in front of.
25 likesLuvmuffin McBangalot 🚌 l will ride this bus all day looooooong
0 likesJust imagine the sorrow, the agony and the remorse his son would feel on his every wedding anniversary, that very same day his dad shot and murdered an unarmed teenager. I feel so sorry for his son, but more so for the young life of Jordan that was lost so early and senselessly, my heart aches for Jordan and his parents.
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He dad could be just like him....
8 likesYeah, I feel sorry too. His wedding anniversary should be happy and full of pleasant memoris. It's everything but that. ;~;
69 likes@YouTube has Taken over my life why assume
48 likesHe has heard his father talk he has shown signs, that he was this way.
4 likes@Tig Knight is it possible? Yes. Is it likely? Probably. Do you know for certain? No. So shush
32 likes@VargVikernes1488 explain?
26 likes@Morgan Quiles I just report them and move along. They live off of getting a rise out of folks but it's all so pedantic.
22 likesHe murdered a dumb thug who like his friends were probably going to become criminals like many rappers in the hood, no biggie for his son I think he will recover.
3 likes@𝑪𝒂𝒕𝒉𝒆𝒓𝒊𝒏𝒆 ॐ da hell with that . Someone innocent was murdered!! Anniversary day ?!! That’s 1 / 365 days . Tell that to the parents of the victim
2 likes@Stephane Well, of course I meant that this anniversary sadness is nothing compared to the sorrow of the parents of the victims. They have to live with that horrible sorrow to the rest of their lives, and I feel so bad for them. And I meant that this wedding couple must also feel so horrible because of the victims. As they should. I would.
2 likes@Random guy with a baseball batte cringe
12 likes@Paul Knoll Any child who must say "cringe" is himself cringe
1 like@Random guy with a baseball batte cringe
9 likes@Random guy with a baseball batte cope
5 likes@Paul Knoll Yeah, thanks for confirming my thoughts.
1 like@Random guy with a baseball batte cope
7 likesI played world of Warcraft with his son when I was in middle school and through high school. Crazy how all this transpired
0 likes@Random guy with a baseball batte Racist much?!? How did you become a fortune teller?!?
6 likes@Random guy with a baseball batte I think you’re about to be the next Mike Dunn
10 likes@xoMillzxo Ironically you calling me racist for saying rappers in the hoods become thugs, is implying blacks become thugs, therefore YOU are racist.
1 like@Random guy with a baseball batte There was a lot more in your comment than generalised notions about rappers and thugs.
2 likesRhonda didn't deserve any of this either.
1 like@Pixietoria As what ? Tell me more, have some courage in your ideas since you're commenting anyway.
0 likes@Random guy with a baseball batte I was pointing out that your reaction to xoMillzxo's question was disingenuous.
1 likeMaybe you need to have more courage in your own ideas.
@Pixietoria I do, otherwise I would not post a very unpopular, almost insulting in the head of some people, idea. Think what you want, if you're not ready to go through your own opinion until the end yourself that's fine but it's kind of ironic in itself.
0 likes@Random guy with a baseball batte
2 likesI’m just observing a public exchange that contained a few logical fallacies I was curious to understand but if you don’t want to say why you came to your original conclusions on the victim it doesn’t really interest me further.
I’ve not actually said what my stance is. Was merely questioning yours because it pertains to understanding the same viewpoint as the murderer in this case.
I’m not really into speculating about where someone is coming from. I’d rather people explain their stance themselves because that’s more interesting and educationally worthwhile.
I’ve not made any assumptions about you other than observing your interactions (on a public forum). Ideas are interesting to me. Assumptions about people aren’t particularly.
Enjoy your day.
@Random guy with a baseball batte
2 likes(*Assumptions about the people discussing the ideas aren’t particularly interesting to me.)
@Pixietoria Why bother using big words if it's to say pretty much nothing ? It doesn't make you sound smarter to people who understand the words you use. If you didn't think anything of it, you wouldn't have commented in the first place.
0 likesAnd also I did explain my stance quite clearly, you're just the one assuming there's more to it, and then refusing to elaborate, therefore confirming my point.
@Pixietoria Then why bother commenting if you're not interested ? Seems pointless to me.
0 likes@Random guy with a baseball batte
2 likesYou made a statement about the victim that didn’t have an obvious chain of reasoning behind it, so it’s likely people might want to understand where that conclusion comes from. Especially since it’s the same conclusion Michael Dunn came to. Reading this thread I was personally hoping you might explain how you came to your conclusion - you seem to know things about the victim and his probable future but don’t say why.
However, you do appear interested in making assumptions about the people asking rather than expanding on your own statement. That actually explains it better than any direct answer you could provide tbh.
Dictionaries are available if you don’t understand all of the words I’ve used.
Have a good day. :)
@Pixietoria you’re fucking amazing
4 likes@Random guy with a baseball batte
1 likeSimply put:
What you haven't explained is how you know enough about the victim to say he was a "dumb thug who would probably end up a criminal". Not "people like him" (whatever that means...) but Jordan Davis himself. The person you wrote your inital statement about.
If your opinion is based on his one interaction before the shooting then I don't see anything in that that isn't typical and very common inconsiderate teenage behaviour myself. That sort of thing is not necessarily an indication of how someone is likely to turn out in my experience. I don't know how old you are, so maybe you don't recall what it's like being a teenager and how badly they can often behave. If it's based on more than that then I can't see why you wouldn't share. I've not been able to find much information about him myself.
@Random guy with a baseball batte btw - I've explained already that my first comment was on the back of the exchange between yourself and xoMillzxo. It wasn't clear initially so I explained that already. If you read that exchange back and then my first comment it should make sense, but if it doesn't, then it doesn't really matter because I've highlighted the same question for you since.
1 like@Pixietoria Well then, you're also judging out of your experience, so how come is it wrong that I have opinions about my experiences ? Don't you see it's kind of hypocritical ? Also judging the age of someone because of his opinion, that's so much more mature, let me applaude you sarcastically, congratulations.
0 likes@Pixietoria And still you didn't go on and clearly said what you think I implied. So much words to say nothing, for, as I suspect, either a reason of ego or attention craving.
0 likes@Random guy with a baseball batte I have literally restated what I was curious about from your initial exchange serveral times. In xoMillzxo's original words: "How did you become a fortune teller?!?"
1 like@Pixietoria And I already answered. If you see anything more to it as you pretended initially, let me know.
0 likes@Random guy with a baseball batte
2 likesI have no pretences. But you can hold whatever scenarios you have about me in your head - I have no desire to defend those perceived inaccuracies - and it’s clear those assumptions will cloud whatever I actually write here so I shan’t engage further. You have misunderstood and redirected at every comment.
I was genuinely trying to have a discussion of ideas not have a ridiculous “me against you” fight. Hence I won’t engage in assumptions you have about me. I’m secure enough to not get dragged down with ad hominem attacks. [cue you analysing my use of the term “ad hominem”]
Remember this insightful old adage; it may be useful:
To assume makes an ass of me and you.
Take care and have a wonderful weekend. X
@Pixietoria Well it's weird to be partly self aware about your mistakes and still contradict yourself in the same comment, unless you like to "make an ass of me and you". Not every assumption is baseless, and you know it. Proof is you knew what I'd assume and I knew what you'd assume. It's not about being a fortune teller as you've seen and proven yourself in this very comment section. Therefore you know you're wrong about the assumptions part.
0 likes@Paul Knoll are you like 10 years old you really shouldn’t be on this channel.
0 likes@Dave only God knows
1 likeNot once did he apologise for murdering that kid. On the contrary, he made a point to show he was remorseless. Even calling the victim a 'SOB" in court with his greiving parents watching on. Abhorrent.
1 likeI hope Rhonda is okay and is doing well in life.
1 likeWe all can feel safer now thanks to the music police
3 likesOne thing I know, guilty or not i’m not talking if I ever get brought into an interrogation room haha
0 likesI love that he has to listen to rap in prison 🤣🤣
3 likesThank You...Jordan's Law!! Rest in Paradise! We gonna pump one for you and your memory!!
2 likesEverybody's a tough guy with a loaded gun.
1 likeWe all suffer from moments of disassociation from reality where our better part is submerged in anger, perhaps momentary irrational hate while venting.
Good reasons not to posses a loaded gun.
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I disagree.
1 likeNot everyone is an unhinged maniac.
0 likesThe judge should have said "You're Dunn, buddy"
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lol! Stop hole Dunn out on us buddy! I'm Dunn playing games with you. No court will ever par Dunn you for this! Don't you tell me this was a sud Dunn death situation. You must feel pretty Dunn right now?
1 likeKilled a kid over loud music, I’m so glad his girl didn’t try to cover for him. Then the most ironic thing he considers himself a victim.
1 likethe racial overtones of this case are baffling. had those boys been white, this wouldnt have happened
27 likes"It was a 9mm or a .45, it was a large caliber"
0 likesLmao dude clearly knows nothing about guns
I'm very glad the verdict was first degree murder resulting in life without parole.
0 likes“Car load of thugs” the fear of black people is wild
9 likesThat's exactly why people say, "Never give a Gun to a Child"
0 likesA foolish Adult child in this case.
Well, we really have lost the plot! I do not feel sorry for anyone here, they are all casualties of sick system that was put into play many moons ago, I will pray for all, and hope as humans we will do better!
0 likesI feel so bad for her.. im sure she feels like she’s at fault. If she hadn’t want to stop..
0 likes“Waiting for the wink”… At this point he doesn’t even believe his story
0 likesI wonder about this guys past record of violence or other issues. He is def. unstable.
1 likeHow can he hear what they’re saying if they turned up their music?
2 likesYou know what's so scary? There are people out there that have done exactly what this person has done or worse and did get a lawyer. So yes... People like this are walking the street still..
1 likeEven in that mug shot you can see the smug smirk on his face. Utter evil
0 likesI feel sorry for Rhonda. She seemed so nice
1 like“Do I need to get a lawyer? Sounds like I’m in some deep shit.” Nooooo shit….you just murdered someone’s child.
1 like"I know the scriptures say Not judge lest ye be judged, but Im just gunna come out and say it...this Michael Dunn guy, hes a real jerk!"
1 likeHe just does not appear to have the requisite IQ. He should have asked for an attorney once warned. His speech does not appear to make him appear like the sharpest knife in the rack.
2 likesSo sorry for the victim's family. Pointless, pointless incident. Moral of the story: don't drive if you can't handle other drivers. Respect to RR. Eta: this guy's horrible.
1 likeI can't even count the amount of times I stopped at a gas station with friends after coming back from the mall as teens. Never once new my life was in danger.
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It needs to happen just once....one time in the fabric of the universe. Be happy, that it is the way it is and your life was never in danger!
1 like"knew"
0 likes@Sterling Archer Fuck dude, I lost that cause about ten years ago. Be happy if a poster gets to, two and too right!
1 like@fred bloggs hahaha yes " your" right ( see what I did there......?)
1 like@Sterling Archer Ha! Another of my pet hates. I tell them, there is yore, yaw, your and you're and it usually blows their minds. Oh and then there's the people who don't know their theres from their they'res!
0 likes@fred bloggs it's all just "to" much for me "too" handle 😅🤣
0 likesIt sucks what he did, sounds like hes in a fog, I am sad for the victims.... I would have said I am going to speak to a lawyer
0 likesJustice served <3
0 likes“ I was so scared so I shot 4 more times... yes as they fled.”
1 likeUnbelievable
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😂
0 likessomeone taunts Michael after playing loud music
4 likesMichael: I am literally being attacked I better shoot
This guy looks like the definition of "Looking for a fight" definitely tries to fight dads who cut in line at Dairy Queen or something.
0 likesRhonda is a wonderful human being and I'm so glad this racist pos is not getting out of jail to bother her ever again.
0 likesShe did the right thing and her conscious is clear
This case pisses me off, he is a POS , there was no logical reason for him to pull out a gun
1 likeI'm confused by his motive though - I guess because he had a gun so he wanted to be a tough guy and just started firing?
5 likesLiterally 'so anyway, I started blasting'?
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yes, he has a coward complex
1 likeThis comment is late but I think at some point his wife was trying to make sure her husband wouldn't get caught and was aware at that moment of how bad the situation actually was when she heard someone mentioning about it as her response was tell her husband and for them to go home together.
1 like"I didn't know I was being charged for killing the kid. That sucks."
3608 likesThis dude has NO empathy.
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Right? Even if he fully believed he was defending his own life, if a person kills a CHILD, you’d think they’d be a little bit more upset by it.
128 likesIf I had killed someone and found out that there was never a weapon on their vehicle, I’d never forgive myself for it. He killed that kid for no reason. And he didn’t even feel sorry for it.
Also the “for killing the KID” once again conflicts with his whole “I thought they were all full-grown adults” defense.
85 likesThe "That sucks" 100% was for the arrested part, not the murder
44 likesHis biggest mistake was being in Jacksonville in the first place.
10 likesThat aside, he shoulda just called the police when he was threatened. Or be sensible and park somewhere further from the SUV full of teenagers playing loud music.
@TROPICS ADRIATIC Dude literally told his wife he 'hates that thug music'. She testified to it, under oath. 😂 Stop making excuses for him.
47 likes@FrizzKid05 😂 chill homie. By thug music he meant rap and people of all colours make rap music. That means nothing. Remove your bias and you’ll realise that people are almost always judged on character and behaviour rather than color.
28 likesHis ego thought what ever social privilege in this world would save him.
7 likes@Me Ballerman You're just wrong, cartoon character.
25 likes@Me Ballerman Ummmm...No, there was no 'both sides' to this. Witnesses never heard Jordan say anything about race. He was pissed that a dude told them to turn the music down in a public parking lot.
20 likesThere was no reason to even suspect he was mad about the asshole's race. You're 100% just making it up to claim 'both sides', which is you speaking out of privilege.
One party was using racial tropes and the other wasn't. There's no both sides, here.
@FrizzKid05 But do you think Jordan would've throwed the same tantrum if a 45yo black guy asked him to ease off the volume? That is very interesting, but impossible to answer, as Jordan's dead.
5 likesNo, Jordan didn't scream racial insults at Dunn it seems - but Dunn didn't throw racial insults at Jordan either. We know from the police interrogation, and from people who knew him, and from his letters from jail that he is somewhat a racist. We really need to have a 45yo black guy asking Jordan to turn music down, and watch/listen to his reactions in this example. But we can't.
Anyways - I see Dunn as a clown, a clown who came from his son's wedding, had waaay too much to drink - and unfortunately had a loaded gun in his car. And then he finds himself involved with a bunch of black guys who play loud music. The music they play is made by/for black people, it's loud, just outside the gas station, and it annoys Dunn. The episode ends up with the clown drawing his gun and killing one of the blacks. Now he's in prison for the rest of his life.
@Me Ballerman There was literally nothing in the interaction to indicate that race had to do with Jordan's response, unlike Dunn, who literally went into the situation with the racial overtones. (Aka - 'I hate that thug music', we all know what middle-aged white men mean by that)
16 likesYou're literally inventing the 'both sides' argument, In this situation.
@FrizzKid05 I can see what you mean "inventing the both sides" - however, it seems I'm the only one in the "whole world" to suspect Jordan of being as much a racist as Dunn. Nobody else but me have thought about this. But think about it: Isn't rap music about "black gangsta heroes and cocaine and gang war"? And Jordan had been listening to this together with his friends, maybe/possibly identifying himself with it, even more so than his more easy going friends. And then came Dunn, the clown.
3 likesSee, I imagine the episode from both sides, and I can "see" them both. Not even Dunn's own lawyer had been going down "my" path here. Only I have thought about this.
Anyways, the verdict was correct, except I think it was manslaughter, not murder1. It just happened.
@Me Ballerman 'Nobody else but me...'
15 likesDude! Just fucking stop! There was absolutely nothing to indicate race had anything to do with Jordan's response...so stop making excuses for interjecting claims without evidence and stop doing it.
@FrizzKid05 Mind you: Dunn isn't in prison for racism. He's in prison for murder1. But honestly - if Dunn were a black man, how do you think Jordan would've reacted? This is interesting, but you refuse to hear about it, because deep indside we both have the feeling that Jordan would've answered a black guy something like: "Yo bro, no problemo. We keep it down until we're outta here". As a poc yourself - what do you think? Yes, I could be wrong, we can't test it. But what do you feel? (and sorry if that isn't how black Americans express themselves, hmmm. Maybe he would just say "Yeah, OK bro"
5 likes@Wai'ala Kāhele Exactly!
5 likes@TROPICS ADRIATIC you make a compelling argument but it is unmistakably racist in this case. It was a man and some kids talking shit about the kids’ “thug music” until the man heard something he didn’t like and drew a firearm.
3 likes@Me Ballerman you know what they say about people who assume. I grew up in a neighborhood that was predominantly families of color and none of us white people were ever treated differently lol don’t pull a muscle reaching fam.
1 like@Quinton Moad I don't understand the term "don't pull a muscle reaching fam" - I've no clue what that means?
0 likes@Me Ballerman 😂 Thanks for the Belly laugh so early in the AM! Almost tears!! Answer me this, besides the fact that you say his biggest mistake WASN’T murdering a 17-year old innocent child but instead “…being in Jacksonville in the first place.” Why was it a mistake to be in Jacksonville?
6 likes@Me Ballerman Also, prejudism is not a real word.
4 likes@Wai'ala Kāhele I don't know, I didn't say that? You confuse me with another commenter I guess? Dunn did a horrible and stupid thing. But you know - in the USA people fool around with guns, they even have them in their glove boxes, this is "normal". And he was drunk driving with that pistol in his glove box. Clown he is.
0 likes@Wai'ala Kāhele Ahh, thanks. I'm not a native English speaker. Prejudice is the right one, yes?
1 like@Me Ballerman It is. And yes it was someone else.
2 likes@Wai'ala Kāhele All good.
0 likesWould you have empathy for killing someone who is gonna kill you?
0 likes@FrizzKid05 No shit Sherlock. Im going based on the interrogation and his justification.
1 like@DMNT-Atlacatl Except, you're ignoring the obvious context. Even if we grant him that the kid made a threat, which obviously wasn't the case, a human being would still show some amount of regret for killing a kid.
10 likesThat dude's voice is annoying asf, and just hearing his pathetic excuses about why he fired off those rounds it's so aggravating
4 likes@Quinton Moad Aah OK, thanks for the explanation. Well, I might be utterly wrong about how Jordan would have reacted towards a black man. But it is interesting, and it seems nobody but I gave this a thought. Thanks for being polite. Yeah, Dunn was dangerous. Shouldn't have been allowed to fool around with a firearm.
1 like@Me Ballerman It's only interesting if you like inventing scenarios. It's useless, here, because he wasn't actually the one who pulled a gun.
5 likes@It's Because Wtf are you even talking about, child? What does that have to do with my commentary?
4 likesFrizzKid05
3 likesAnd your problem is you attack anyone with opinions different from yours. You have so much hatred in your life an I feel sorry for you man. Your laws allow people like you with anger issues to have guns causing so many deaths like this case.
@Me Ballerman no, not all rap music is about drugs and gangster. There’s different genres of rap. So 1 you’re wrong, and again this is very obvious that this was racially charged. Black people we’ve seen shit like this for decades. Also on the phone he calls them “ animals” and then says “ I don’t like this thug music”. Usually when people say shit like that it has racial undertones to it. And then his lack of empathy also plays a big factor. He also lied about them attacking them and threatening him. There race obviously played a part in this shit and if you don’t think so still then I wouldn’t expect you to because you aren’t black you don’t hear or see people treat you that way.
5 likes@FrizzKid05 You calling everyone names and screaming BLM, only makes the movement and the people supporting it look bad and immature (when its not). If you want to make an argument or statement, i suggest you do so with composure and dignity, otherwise people will never listen to you even if youre saying something true and/or important.
2 likes@Me Ballerman lololololololol. Y'all are hopeless.
6 likes@FrizzKid05 exactly
5 likesRight!!!!.. he's Throwoff!!!!
1 like@Me Ballerman 100% agree with you again sir. No matter what we do we can't win with these folks. Always have to throw insults around and get vitriolic. Thanks for answering the raging storm with calm sir.
1 like@FrizzKid05 sir, are you capable of writing a sentence without insulting someone you disagree with? Goodness the amount of hatred you carry inside you is...frightening. What happened to you?
1 like@FrizzKid05 wow. We've moved to existential insults, that is meta. Someone's very existence is an insult and it's your sacred duty to insult those whose existences insult themselves....that is....very interesting.
1 like@FrizzKid05 Also, you read one comment from me and have already determined that my "existence insults everyone?" Holy cow what a massive statement of arrogance that is. You see a single paragraph of writing from me and assume that you can accurately characterize the effect my entire existence has upon the world around me? That isn't psychopathic? Look in the mirror man. I'm not your enemy, I have nothing against you personally despite our obvious differences in opinion, but your behavior of calling other people literal psychopaths for having a difference in opinion and not completely agreeing with your galvanizing mindset is insane.
1 likeDo you actually, truly believe that you are so perfect, so flawless, that you can play God with people's existence and determining their value? That isn't insane?
To be fair neither do most of them. They were kneeling on babies necks in the weeks after Floyd was killed. Two wrongs doesn't make a right though.
1 like@FrizzKid05 He should work for Bidens reelection campaign.
0 likes@TROPICS ADRIATIC Right? They were dressed for the part. Not a justification, but it DOES go to character. If I shaved my head and wore flannel vests, one might assume I was a skinhead, right?
1 like@FrizzKid05 😂😂😂😂😂 lmfao yeah...or you are? Youre who Malcom X was talking about.
1 like@FrizzKid05 Child...lmfao. Stop calling people "child" child. You aint about that.
1 like@Amanda Barnhart Also, Malcolm X would call you idiots for dismissing the obvious racism of a racist murderer.
7 likes@Haterade Gangnem A good firefighter waters the surrounding houses so the fire doesn't spread.
0 likeswrong, just because you dont understand the monster does not mean it has no empathy
1 like@Pia Belanger I'm decently sure if he killed him with his own hands it'd be different from a gun. A gun distances any mental trauma (for me at least.)
0 likes@Cash Nelson Exactly!
3 likes@AboveAll Hmmm idk if this case is the best example for you bud, this is a pretty cut and dry "dude was racist" murder! Save that concern trolling for the ones where it's at least slightly debatable
4 likes@trongamer56 i mean yeah, probably lol, it's more "stupidly overgeneralizing" than racist i tend to think racism is about actions more than thoughts
2 likes@Cash Nelson I guess.
0 likesWhy do I read these comment threads...
5 likes@Mike Elliott good question
0 likes@Patrick Bell m gf
0 likesC
@TROPICS ADRIATIC i agree that always isn’t the case, however, this case tho definitely indicates it to be racially motivated, as the shooter was previously known for racist behavior and referring to the rap music the kids were listening to as “thug” music
2 likesjust in my take of the situation that happened ^ we never can possibly know what was going on in the sick mind of that man, and you are absolutely correct it saddens me how he had no empathy once so ever, and felt very entitled to take the kids life
2 likes@Mike Elliott Morbid fascination? 😜
0 likesI'm always torturing myself, like that.
@Me Ballerman It's funny you're talking about people needing to be grateful to be in your country.. what about your country's history in regard to colonialism? Perhaps you should have never left home and taken over lands that had nothing to do with your people. Should have been grateful to be in Denmark. That's your logic, right?
1 like@Smooth That's true..
0 likes@Smooth Ikr? I've been saying that from the beginning. There was no reason for him to park that close to them from the outset.
0 likes@FrizzKid05 you have allot of common sense brother! I agree with all of your comments. 💘
1 like@Zaneisha Phillips 😊😊 I do my best. 😇
4 likes@FrizzKid05 the amount of people just parroting right wing propaganda about blm was just gross-so much blind hate and ignorance
1 like@Giantenemyturtle Ikr? Especially given the fact that there's no dispute about this guy's racial animus.
2 likesPeople are getting tired of disrespect.
1 like@Notyou Are you implying that it justifies shooting a teenager because he disrespected you?
1 likeSeriously, is that what you're fucking implying, here?
You know what I have to say about his conviction?!! GOOD, GOOD AND MORE GOOD!!!!!
0 likesJust walk away. Move seats. Move parking spot, leave the store or the party. Don’t challenge people
0 likesMe practicing what i would say only to realize im not a murderer so it doesnt matter lol its funny how crime stuff i always think like "dude why didnt you cover your tracks" then im like wait good, dont cover them hahah
3 likesI wonder if you didn't do anything to immediately lawyer up as in interrogations they basically are trying to get you to admit you committed a crime.
0 likesHis fiance feels more remorse for wanting to stop to get wine than he does for murdering an innocent child.
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@Steve Christie Um...when your only comments are to random women about their age/hitting on them. It makes you look every creepy. So maybe try a different avenue one that's not so stranger danger vibes.
295 likesIf you are a serial killer than ignore everything I just wrote...cause atleast then I know you will never get a victim with that approach.
@Leslie damn what did he say?
133 likesJust who evers name and 25 -30? Then I clicked on his profile and saw that was his MO. Randomly creepy hitting on women in comment section. Thought someone should be honest with him.
262 likes@Leslie lmao
58 likesCuz she could have avoided everything. She's taking the blame for what she was responsible for.
125 likes@Disciple Mike wait what? Are you blaming the wife?
205 likes@Michał Krawcow no, the main comment says she felt more remorse over the thought to stop for wine over the guy who was killed. I'm saying anyone would in her shoes because in her mind it's the one partshe would feel she had to play in it. She blames herself for that. Not that any of it was her fault in the least. In her mind she would say "if only I didn't tell him to pull over for wine it all would have been avoided."
440 likes@Leslie I’m glad u called him out
54 likesI love her bc she testified against him. In a world where we have Chris Watts mom saying Shannan killed the kids, it’s nice we have others that hold their loved ones accountable.
288 likesProbably because she was the one who wanted wine. That's normal. Her reaction is normal. She feels awful because she knew that if they hadn't stopped for wine, the innocent child wouldn't have gotten killed because the situation wouldn't have happened at all.
157 likesNot a child.
11 likes@summer 91 Regardless of if the person was an actual child or not, he is the child of his mother and father. He is someone's child. He was only 17, which is a teenager, but he is still someone's child.
144 likesIt's that situation of a person blaming themselves for an unfortunate event because they had some influence over the unforseen circumstances which led to the tragedy, even though they couldn't have known. She cleary doesn't support what he did, It's awful of you to look down on her.
43 likes@Disciple Mike Yes, the original comment doesn't seem intended to blame or question the fiancee's guilt over stopping for wine -- the intent seemed to be to point out how it differs from Dunn's reaction. She feels a lot of remorse for the small entirely unintentional part she played, like any human being with empathy might. He, on the other hand, seems to feel no remorse at all for murdering a teenage boy.
35 likesShe was so fucking nervous in that court session, I felt so bad for her. Could feel that woman's soul trembling!
63 likesYeah, "child" feels technically inaccurate, "teen" might have been more appropriate. But I'll admit, that's a bit pedantic. Otherwise, I fully agree with OP's sentiment
10 likes@Disciple Mike people have the right to stop a a liquor store for a night cap, your fiance doesn't have the right to take out a gun and shoot at a car 10.not 9.. not 2 times. TEN TIMES.. if it weren't the liquor store,that lunatic would have done something else in another situation
22 likes@The Midnight Library Idk how it is in the States, but here anyone under 18 is still regarded as a child.
35 likes@Miss Vee I'm not saying that it's her fault. It's all on the guys fault of course. I'm saying IN HER MIND she's taking what blame she has convinced herself she has.
9 likes@Disciple Mike oh I see yes .. I also think she genuinely believes that too and I think she is carrying the burden of it because of the life it took.. hope she gets therapy..she doesn't look like she is all there... neither does he ro be honest..
11 likes@Miss Vee exactly. Me too. I wonder how she's doing now
6 likes@jenni, while I agree this guy doesn't show any remorse for killing that boy, I have to wholeheartedly disagree with your assessment of the boy being considered a "child." A person who is 17 is absolutely NOT a child. Are they young, a teen, or a youth? Absolutely. If a person is old enough to have gone through puberty though, he or she is not a child. Just saying...
3 likesLOL innocent child... the guy was wrong for what he did but come on hahaha.
0 likes@Roo H Yeah, I was scratching my head over that one too. Sure, if the guy had accidentally killed an eight year old boy or girl or some similar age, then those words might be appropriate. But in this case, teen, young adult, or youth makes more sense than "innocent child."
4 likes@James Ford - there is a part of society that has an inherent need to turn a blind eye to the bad behavior of groups based not on the behavior itself but on the a fake "intersectional victim status" that they feel the person belonged to. It is a lame sort of virtue signaling where the person making the comment feels morally superior towards anyone who dares call out the comment, immediately labeling them as racist or sexist or xenophobic, in order to try and discredit the person. There was a time that didn't work, but now the media has embraced it, and it is nasty as hell.
5 likesAbsolutely
0 likes@The Midnight Library This country was "founded" on race.
2 likes@The Midnight Library as a 17 year old, yes it is lol
1 like@Galaxie_ Coeur this would have happened some other day some other place, she should realize not her but him
1 like@Jordan's Channel Yes, I know he's the problem, but its natural for her to feel more guilt. Someone in her position would feel as if it could've been avoided in the first place.
1 like@Roo H deez nuts
1 like@DeadMeme - what nuts, you identify as a female. HAHAHA REKT!!!
0 likesShe was talking about the act that initiate everything, just watch the all thing. She even said that it was a horrible experience and apologize to the victims in a interview.
1 likeSo, yeah, she felt remorse, a lot actually.
People arguing over the obvious teens being labeled as children🙄, in a judicial court don’t you think they’d have to use the legal terminology of “child” for people’s under the age of consent which majority age in the US is 18? Just because you don’t define them as children doesn’t mean the legal system will change the definite law. 18 is defined as the age of maturity in the US, you can vote, are independently in charge of ones own self, be recruited for the military and witness the tragedies and joys of adulthood. These “young men” are not men yet, therefore shouldn’t be held in any different standing of the court system. They have experienced adult tragedies before the age of full understanding, legally defined in the US.
17 likes@James Ford "The United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child defines child as a human being below the age of 18 years."
16 likesI'm using the legal definition. A person who is under the age of 18 IS a child. A child can go through puberty at 12-13, would you argue that after that they are no longer a child? Kids develop physically at different paces but that does not mean they're no longer children.
@Francisco Tejerina I know, that's my point. She felt remorse for a mundane non-criminal thing because she's a decent person who felt awful about the kid being murdered and felt like she had a part in that chain of events. What's striking is the contrast between her remorse and her husband's lack of remorse, even though he's the one who murdered the victim.
9 likes@Hazey you just wrote a long idiotic rant that has nothing to do with why people are responding to the word children used in the original post, especially the term innocent children.
1 like@The Midnight Library At 17, your brain is not finished fully developing. That means you are a child! Now, does he fit the definition of a 5 year old? No, but the definition of child is very versatile. I'm a young adult, (if I wanna stretch it very far) but I still consider myself a child because I'm under 18. I'm over 13, but I am still considered a child.
4 likes@customsongmaker PFFFFF BAHAHAHAHA I REALLY HOPE YOU DON'T BELIEVE THAT-
3 likes@Lunar DeBrie no, you are not still considered a child at 18. You are literally considered an adult, hence why you can be tried for crimes and taken to court, as an adult. New adult doesn’t mean still being a child.
1 like@Lunar DeBrie No, you're considered a minor, but not a child.
1 like@Bruce Gender Trans Jenner exactly. 17 is not a child. It’s disingenuous to say that. They’re one year away (let’s be real, LESS than one year away unless it’s their 17th birthday today) from being an adult and being able to vote, join the military, and go to court and be tried as an adult. Not to mention, every 17 year old I’ve known, such as myself when I was 17, thinks of themself as an adult already. 17 isn’t a child. If you have to call him an “innocent” anything, say “innocent teen”. Lol.
0 likesMy only issue here is the wording. I think we can all agree Michael Dunn is a waste of air, and those guys stopping at a gas station while playing music did not in any way warrant what that POS did.
@Jackman LeBlanc exactly. honestly i think the people who are hyper focused on saying he’s “not a child” are trying to take away from the tragedy of the event. maybe they think those kids were thugs and don’t want everyone to over-sympathize with the victims, because obviously it doesn’t matter whether you consider 17 a child or not, he’s a kid and he was murdered. i’m just speculating though. that’s just how i see it.
13 likes@The Midnight Library 17 year old with no criminal history listening to rap music with his friends at a gas station. That is literally the definition of an innocent child
13 likes@Annie Macrae Yeah I agree with you. It's really disappointing how little empathy people have these days. I don't understand how they can learn about this poor kid being murdered for no reason and the only thing they can do is argue he wasn't really a kid. It's horrible.
8 likes@Parker Lawhon no, that’s literally the definition of an innocent teen.
0 likes@The Midnight Library Jesus Christ man he’s 17 years old, he’s a kid😂 and you said he was innocent that’s my fault. The legal definition of a child is a young human below the legal age of majority if that’s what you’re trying to argue, although it doesn’t even matter 🤦🏻♂️ I misunderstood you and thought you were arguing the innocent part as well, I apologize. My bad.
3 likes@Parker Lawhon 17 is not a kid. 17 year olds can be tried as adults. 17 year olds have murdered people before. To call him a child is silly, do you people not understand that? He’s only a child because he was innocent. Had he killed someone, he wouldn’t be a child in your eyes would he? No. He’d be an almost-18-year-old. My entire point is just be consistent. Being innocent doesn’t make someone older or younger lmao.
0 likes@Disciple Mike sorry i take it back
0 likesHe was 17 a young adult not a innocent child
1 like@customsongmaker Are you even serious!? No where in the video did it suggest that she nagged him non stop, she doesn’t even look like the kind to nag at someone, she suggested that they stop to get alcohol and they did. Don’t even try to blame her for his actions and for him “snapping”, she had nothing to do with it and he is fully responsible for his actions. And if he was capable of doing so that night he was capable of doing it any other time. You don’t know what happened that night, and for you to speculate and try to blame someone without evidence is disgusting behavior, I would suggest for you to kindly stfu and only talk about things you are certain of.
2 likesYou just killed a person and you go willy nilly into police interrogation without a lawyer. Boggles the mind
2 likes@The Midnight Library 17 years old is a minor. That is a child.
2 likes@customsongmaker Sounds like you're blaming her, the person who was not firing the gun in the situation. I don't think you undersrand the situation very well.
2 likes@Hazey Finally! Somebody with some sense
0 likes@Speccy SquareGoLike 17 is an adolescent, not a child😂 this is such a pointless conversation. If that same 17 year old were the shooter instead of the victim, would he still be a child? If that 17 year old shot someone you loved, would you not see him punished as an adult? There’s clearly a double standard here. All i’m saying is be consistent. Child implies far younger than 17, usually 12 and under. It’s misleading to call him an innocent child. Innocent, YES. Child, NO.
0 likes@Lunar DeBrie No hate to you, but female brains don't fully develop until like 25 or something and male brains, like 28-30, if I remember correctly. I do agree with your overall statement, though.
1 like@The Midnight Library According to international law , a child is literally someone who is under 18. Why are you so pressed about this?
3 likes@The Midnight Library Go to UNICEF and look it up, it's not hard. I'm sorry you're upset about not being considered an adult yet, I used to consider myself as a young adult when I was a kid, but looking back, I was definitely still a child and I won't see it any differently
3 likes@Speccy SquareGoLike I’m 23 lol. I just think it’s silly that you and others are calling 17 a CHILD, when it’s literally not. Ask anyone what they think when you say the word “child”. I’ll bet not even one person pictures a 17 year old.
0 likes@The Midnight Library You didn't look it up, did you? I'm gonna leave you with that, because I really can't be stuffed arguing something that is literally a fact . Hope you have a good day
0 likes@Speccy SquareGoLike - no, it's also his fault for staying with her.
0 likes@customsongmaker I don't know what point you're trying to get at, but it's going nowhere
2 likes@Speccy SquareGoLike - thank you for admitting your own ignorance. I hope my comment from 5 months ago continues to challenge your mind.
0 likes@customsongmaker He was also under the influence. It's not her fault that he decided to shoot at a bunch of kids. Also, I'm talking about the "it's his fault for staying with her" comment. Not your original one blaming the person who had nothing to do with the murder. Try to keep up 🙄
2 likesi reckon it is because the man is clearly an abusive husband and probably blamed it on her cause the wine was the reason they where at the scene in the first place
2 likes@piece of pasta - what if someone is attempting to murder a black teenage girl, is that a reason to shoot the murderer and save an innocent life?
0 likes@Agent K you deserve to be put on a watchlist.
4 likesinnocent child? yeahhhhhhh
1 like@The Midnight Library as a 17yr old I am legally considered a child until my birthday on July 20th. The line has to be drawn somewhere, and in most places that line is you have to be 18 to be considered an adult.
2 likesWell, she's at least free of him now, and perhaps one day she will be free of the guilt.
1 likeTeen .....not a child lol
0 likes@Alfo Bootidir not a child...young boy
0 likesA child is under 12.
@Michał Krawcow Yeah she wasn't a drunk this never what happened.
0 likes@Bob Terrana 1. brain doesn’t stop until 25 2. Legally a child 3. If you’re an adult and don’t consider under 18 be a child, something inside you is wrong. You need therapy
1 like@Leslie there’s a bunch of men in this comment section hitting on women it’s really strange..
0 likesRight?!
0 likes@summer 91 17 years old is technically still a child
2 likesAnd she is right
0 likes@James Ford according to you my mom and a class mate was children till they was way in their 20’s because that when they got their period.
0 likesMy 9 year old rebrew is a man bc that when he reach his.
@Gary Whitehead Legally there is no distinction. A teen is a child. The legal definition is what matters here, not the specifics of human development and maturity. In court, children can be “tried AS adults” depending on the crime and proximity of their age to legal adulthood, but theres a reason it’s “tried as” and not “legally an” adult.
1 likeThe law doesn’t distinguish between minors. You’re either a minor (a child of any age below 18) or an adult. It’s a courtroom, not a science class. There are only 2 categories.
@The Midnight Library I completely disagree I see someone who is a child as someone who is ignorant to the world and how things are just because someone is 13 and not 12 doesn’t mean they changed mentally or physically much 17 is young and “just a kid” and saying “killed a child” are used for someone early 20s to about 10 ish imo
0 likesNothing compares to a fairly expensive bed and breakfast paid for in St. Augustine
1 like@Leslie wtf? What did they say?
0 likes@Disciple Mike yes because getting a bottle of wine always results in murder...
1 like@Galaxie_ Coeur I'm pretty sure he would have murdered someone else eventually. Avoiding thug music isn't possible. There will be loud horrible music playing and you can't murder someone for it but he didn't get it.
0 likes@summer 91 17 is a minor. Legally a child.
2 likes@thehoneyeffect ever consider some people hide bad traits?
0 likes@customsongmaker he could have left if she was the problem.
0 likes@Jenna Mattern not necessarily. She could have him arrested at any time by claiming he hit her. He wasn't free to leave, since our government would send men with guns to enforce her whims.
0 likes@Galaxie_ Coeur I get what summer is saying. It's semantics. He was technically not a child at 17. At least a year from being an "adult". To us, he's a child because of his age. But is that true or is it how we use words. At 45, I call csll mid 20s kids and children. But try are not.
0 likesIt's semantics for no reason. Especially when it's one lined like that. He was a minor and a young person. As an older person a modicum of restraint and wisdom are expected.
I'm from the hood. I've asked people to lower there music at publics places. Some are cool. Others are assholes. Unfortunately I cannot make someone do something. I carry also. Knowing people can be assholes and I carry, I'm not looking to escalate a situation. I wanna go home with no drama. 🤣
@Jackman LeBlanc that's what I'm fucking saying!!! People are so petty. The point is he emptied TEN rounds into the car of innocent boys
0 likes@The Midnight Library the law disagrees with you LOL
0 likes@customsongmaker if Mike was taken out of this equation, would that innocent boy still have lost his life?
0 likeswhen she was asked what she heard at 7:45 I bursted out laughing... I'm going straight to hell
0 likesthat moment you learn the love of your life is a lying bully. with a gun.
1 likeMichael: turn your music down!!!
3 likesTeens: lol ok boomer
Michael: (shoots and kills one of the teens)
It’s Nice when Scumbags go to Jail
2 likes"You went from zero to a hundred without even getting to fifty!"
1785 likesThe other detective definitely had a little bit of a chuckle.
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When in the video?
7 likesspace totodile in a hoodie
4 likes@Ouien 37:16
18 likespeople like this prepare their whole lives for an apocalyptic scenario that never comes. his 50 was on the shooting range
9 likesHe was driving a tesla
0 likesSo in fear of his life and innocent that he takes 4 shots , steps out of his car and into their line of sight and shoots 4 more times, as they're taking off. Then leaves the scene, goes to a hotel, orders pizza, and walks his dog. Not guilty at all.
1 likeThat’s exactly the reason why people do not supposed to have guns. You are angry - you take a gun and shoot loud guys. That’s unacceptable
1 likeCan anyone please recommend similar channels to JCS and EXPLORE WITH US? I've gotten really into this stuff and want to see more. Of course when they upload something new I'll watch their videos, but I'm curious i theres any recommendations people have on other similar channels? Thanks and apologies if the comment is inappropriate.
0 likes47:05 trying to figure out how old he'll be when he get out of prison, counting it out on his fingers 😆
0 likesPure entitlement. He truly believed that as long as he said he feared for his life, he was going home. He looked flabbergasted when he realized he would not be going home in the last ten minutes. He walked in with almost no concern. He planned what he would say and had a couple stand your ground buzzwords tossed in. He thought if he kept saying he feared for his life he was going home. He seemed so nonplussed when told there was no gun, it didn't matter. When they said the kid never opened the car door it barely fazed him. Even when he was pressed about blindly firing a gun into a car of people he couldn't see that posed no threat while it was driving away, it barely registered. After all of that he still believed he was going home. This is pure entitlement.
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1 likeFacts
0 likes90 years , for something stupid he did , pointless shooting, I’m happy for that lady hope she moves on with her life , the loser is never getting out
0 likesLmao when he’s on trial after talking to the lawyer makes me think the lawyer wanted to be a movie producer to get him to relay the events that happened so theatrical and hilarious to watch. Too bad Dunn is a shit actor and couldn’t convince the jury.
0 likesGoes without saying that he should have just moved his car away from vehicle that he found bothersome. He should also get a dwi and handling a firearm under the influence and they should get a disturbing the peace violation. If these hadn't occured, this wouldn't have happened. Lesson: don't instigate and intentionally aggravate and don't engage with those who do. Wonder what kind of partner he was. Fear of this kind of man with a gun is a real one in the US.
0 likesDo I need a lawyer? Ahh, yes, that would be recommended. This was a very foolish thing to do.
0 likesNarrator is great. His voice is very concise and clear and to the point. Hopefully he narrates books so you can listen with ease.
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I think it is the down the rabbit hole guy. Channel name is Frederick something. He takes his time on videos and they are very good.
3 likes@Klaytrix no it's kizzume, says so right in the description
8 likes@Klaytrix bruh they're 2 different people, this channel has a different narrator
3 likesDrago Kragulj I was thinking the same thing. Right to the point and very clear.
0 likesNah he’s not an actual voice actor lol
0 likesHe sounds like the Asian dude from buzzfeed coldcase videos
0 likes@Ben Horn dayum you right, just noticed he totally does sound like ryan boogarian
0 likeswhat a world we have to live in nowadays where it‘s not self defence when you shoot fleeing people who are unarmed and never posed a real threat in the first place like damn times are rough
0 likesAnd to this day i refuse to go to the "Murder Gate" gas station.
2 likes"What was the importance of that?"
2 likes"To save my life."
"from the door?"
"no i-"
NHA cuz that was so funny to me, cuddos to the detective for his patience for this narcissistic baffoon
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I have to admit, my interest is piqued by your correct spelling of narcissistic, a word commonly misspelled, yet "Kudos" and "buffoon" escaped you entirely.... Truly intriguing.
3 likes@Sterling Archer 33% obscurantist spelling rate? Better than most on YT, who seem to struggle with to, two and too.
0 likesI love how the black cop leans in towards him and stares at him
0 likesWhat a psychopath, dude killed a child and thinks he was a victor
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"Victim and the victor"
181 likesHe's the perfect encapsulation of all of the whiniest triggered racist creeps
@LeftEyeReportIn other words: Trump Followers
76 likes@B Bodziak way to make this a political subject buddy!
46 likesThe Left takes any chance to shame the Right it seems, no matter how shameful.
Oh btw, if you have any shred of wisdom in you, you'd vote for Trump as well instead of those pocket-filling Democrats.
@Brian I'm guessing that you didn't realize that Jordan's mother, Lucy McBath, was prompted by this event-- the murder of her only child, AS WELL AS, Trump's and the GOP's lack of concern over any type of real gun-control to run for a House seat in Congress as a Democrat. So, YES, the death of this young man, who had his life unnecessarily cut far, far too short, DOES have a political edge to it. In 2018, Lucy won her first attempt at running for any public office outside of a position on a middle school's PTA board. She unseated a 26 year fixture of the GOP , Karen Handel. She proudly and successfully represents hers AND my district in Georgia; and I not only enjoy having Lucy as my House Congressional Representative, I have also enjoyed and have had the pleasure of working side-by-side Lucy at a commercial airline for almost 30 years. Trump's behavior and lack of empathy and concern for shooting victims is a huge reason that she decided to run for office.
80 likesIf you still do not think that this crime and my comment(s) is intricately linked to politics, please explain to me how so.
FYI: The comment I equated to Trump Followers held this description, as follows:
--Whiny
--Triggered (easily)
--Racist
Check, Check, and Check. The only possible exception is "Creep", and that's ONLY because I do not resort to using descriptive terms that shouldn't even be used on middle school playgrounds -- Given that it's a regular "go-to" term used by Trump and his Followers, it likely is deserved to be on this list as an accurate adjective, but I'm not quite ready to stoop to the distasteful tactics so often seen from the GOP, especially from the highest ranking member of the GOP. They gave turned our nation into the laughingstock of the world, even in the two countries that our "leader" has sucked up to time and time again: Russian and North Korea.
Trump 2020
20 likesB Bodziak i’m from Britain so have no views on American politics, however i don’t think it’s fair to generalise like that.
15 likesHe also thought he was a victim. (He said so in his phone conversation with his fiance.)
12 likesSusan Will Exactly what a warped perception! He murdered someone and still though of himself as a victim and “victor”, dangerous lack of empathy
15 likes@B Bodziak It's amazing how Trump supporters are only able to project the worst traits of their dear leader on Democrats. Pocket filling?!? Are you kidding me? 🤣😂 There must be some criticism they could level against Dems that doesn't better describe the current GOP and Trump, but I've yet to hear it.
43 likesright 😓
0 likesB Bodziak thank you for your comment with the detail about Jordan’s mother. I’m so glad that some good has come from this tragedy and hopefully she can do some real good for the community in her sons name.
4 likes@November Witch +99% of BLM protests have been peacefull, unlike rightwing protests by organizations like the proud boys etc
15 likesthe Fbi has proven that there was no Antifa involvement
When people say that rightwing talking points are based on feelings and misinformation this is what they mean
Casey88 88 not gonna happen 😬
2 likesB Bodziak
11 likesI think this is about more than politics, there’s a horrible system in the US that teaches ppl who aren’t exactly exposed to real black people, that black people are dangerous, it isn’t 100% a right wing doctrine either, it’s just a racist doctrine. This man in the video is obviously an extreme case, but his ideals exist in many us citizens, and that is the real problem, not the politicians who would use real tragedies to bolster their popularity, because at the end of the day a child died because a racist man labeled him a thug for the colour of his skin, and the music he was listening to.
@Brian the trump supporting right has a lot to be ashamed of. Dont act high and mighty buddy.
4 likes@R gee whiz, someone should tell americans that, huh!
1 like(also idk but i sure hope ur referring to those confederates and not "rebellious people")
They could have just turned the shit down
1 like@Kyle Mortensen Who? If you have to go that far back for your current "whataboutism" you are losing.
5 likes@Kyle Mortensen imagine if like...... e.g. every serial killer on trial used "well what about all the serial killers u HAVENT caught" as a free get-out-of-jail pass lol. "aw shit u right mr bundy case dismissed. in fact YOU should be the judge. heres my gavel"
5 likeshe is a terrible person :/
0 likesTeru Mikami the world doesn’t bend to suit whatever you want, if something’s too loud, boohoo it’s in a public space, you can be mad about it, but normal adults move the hell on, not pull out a gun.
2 likesAnd worried about his bed and breakfast hotel
0 likes@Norman Weiß you are delusional
0 likesBrian Trump is literally filling his pockets by going to his properties and having everyone he brings with him Pay to get in and stay. Out of the three plus years he has been in office he has visited his properties 500+ times and spent 394 days there. So well over a year of his presidency.
3 likes@B Bodziak So half the population of America are racist creeps? Do you really believe this?
0 likes@Susan Will u can rationalize anything. No one wants to be in the wrong. But to murder?
0 likesTrump 2020
0 likes@Saucy Minx please tell me what im lying about point it out so we can talk about it
1 likeMAGADETH wow you figured out that are born and grow up into adults, someone give this guys a Nobel peace prize
0 likesMAGADETH give me an example of somebody who won the Nobel peace prize and didn’t deserve it
0 likesMAGADETH weren’t you the one who said that tangent wasn’t pertinent to the original comment? Maybe instead of trying to prove to complete strangers how well you can use google we can have an actual conversation here, you tried to justify child murder in your original comment, let’s get back to that.
0 likesTeru Mikami hardly the point
0 likes@Kate Wilkinson you're wrong. You don't live here.
0 likes@Casey88 88 HA!
0 likes18:20 - “Return fire” as he was the ONLY one who fired.
0 likesHonestly, the fact that the father of the groom leaves the wedding early to take the dog for a walk is already a red flag!
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Are you a bot?
0 likes@Daiyuki117 maybe
0 likesWoah, I just now noticed that when the interviewer asked if he shot one handed or 2 handed he immediately pointed an imaginary gun at the black interviewer instead of anywhere in the room, that's really telling of this man.
2 likesThis happened in Florida. The US has more guns than people. The country with the next-most number of guns is India with like, a billion people and 71 million guns. It’s easy to have the mentality as a civilian that someone “bending down in their car” is reaching for a shotgun when everyone and their dogs are packing heat. The US is fucked. And somehow, the people in the US are raised to think this is not only OK, but that it’s a good thing to have guns, and that the issue is “illegal” guns and mental health. Guess what, Michael Dunn chasing after a car with a knife is a completely different story than shooting a car 10 times.
2 likesRhonda is a legend. Truly someone who cares about doing the right thing.
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?? She is a freaking mouse. Honey this, honey that....he's my fiance. Oh please, if I was in the car next to this fool as he shot someone dead , bragging like he is Clint Eastwood, and they go back to the hotel like nothing happened
16 likes@Ellybean Ok, imagine still falling in love with someone, and then they slowly reveal their true character. People are likely going to focus on the best parts of the their fiance's character, especially after years of being together.
65 likes@Ellybean typical keyboard hero. The thing is, you don't know what you would do. I'm not saying she did the right thing at that moment but think about it, imagine the love of your life doing something like that. Would you immediately blame him/her? Wouldn't you try to understand and think about reasons why he/she would do that? In the end, when all things became clear she had the guts to tell the truth, and that means alot. It means she has character and honesty. That's not a mouse.
75 likes@Ellybean “he’s my fiance” well yea, thats what he is/was, why is that a problem for her to say that?
23 likesIs not about doing the right thing is about protecting ur loves one so is obviously she don't want him
2 likes@Fishing Is life Obviously she fell in love with someone that she believed would not commit murder
17 likes@Ellybean EXACTLY! everyone in the comments are feeling bad for Rhonda, like what about the kids that got shot at!!
2 likes@Ellybean she wasn't in the car with him when it happened she was inside the gas station and only told the police what she knew and was probably told be dunn
2 likes@perhaps today he's too egocentric to do that
1 like@Ellybean Usually it's guys like you who are quick to point fingers that never back up their words when the time comes.
2 likes@Arturo Alvarez The thing is that everyone watched Rhonda talking and feeling emotions, thus empathizing with her is simple. But I agree with you, when I saw the picture of the kid, even before I knew what was going on I thought something bad happened to him and I felt disgusted and sad. Hearing he was murdered was shocking to me because we already watched all of his friends, all just kids that stopped for some cigarettes and liked music and getting in trouble, but never actually hurting anyone. What about his family? What about his school peers? Maybe he had a girlfriend or someone that never had the chance to tell him how much they love him. Gosh, how in the hell was Dunn expecting we would empathize with someone that ENDED a kid's life for NO reason.
4 likesHe did nothing wrong. It is crazy that he was arrested. He needs to be released immediately.
0 likes@Arturo Alvarez No one here isn't NOT feeling for the kids. That's obvious. It's just interesting to see someone have to come to terms with the fact she loved someone who was willing to lie and shoot at some kids. She could be feeling everything from betrayal, anxiety, and paranoia from being around someone who so easily did what he did. The kids are the obvious victims and certainly recieve many sympathies from everyone in the comments section.
3 likesAs someone who went through a similar situation with someone you love revealing their true evil face and hurt innocent people around you, it's highly relateable and I sympathize with the sure conflict she's feeling. Torn between loving someone and coming to terms with reality. It's a lot harder than people make it out to be-- You can't just... ditch those feelings, especially since it wasn't you who was directly affected. Everyone feels for the kids, as they didn't deserve this at all from a monster like that. But people do forget the others affected from truama indirectly.
"I couldn't hear what they were saying but I heard them saying, 'You're dead.'" oh I see
1 likeYoooo this was shown in my law class about a week ago, awesome (not the case, this is dumb as hell)
1 like“Is he gonna bite my ear off” this man knows 4 black people 😭
4 likesIf he kept his trap shut and asked for a lawyer, he would have had a big chance of getting away with it.
0 likesDunn obviously thought his girlfriend was going to lie for him, I love that look he has on his face when she tells the truth.
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respect to her for not & keeping her morals instead
134 likesShe not only told the truth but she was very objective and didn’t try to defend him in anyway, no “well he did do that but it was because of this” and that is really admirable
63 likes@Luis she*
0 likes@Luis you’re welcome
0 likesI feel very bad for her. She seems nice.
19 likesShe answered the questions as she was asked and without inserting her own commentary and additional details. That is your duty as a witness to any crime, let alone a violent crime that resulted in the death of a chid. She clearly understands the gravity of the crime and her importance as a witness.
41 likes@informitas 0
8 likesShe seemed scared tho. Idk why I just got that vibe like she felt his family would argue with her or something
@Luis obviously didnt get it did u
0 likes@Koli kari you really can't read huh-
1 like@oop petal u lack depth of perspective
0 likes@oop petal ah finally proof of braincells
0 likes@oop petal you have a lot of time and patience.
2 likes@BunBuns♡ More likely she still has very strong feelings for him and it genuinely it is hurting her to do the right thing
0 likesI wonder her reaction to finding out the real man she was engaged to
1 likeWhen he drops his head and smirks that's all you need to know he's guilty 22:53
0 likesHas military friends that show him the right stuff, yet tea-cups when showing how he shot at them. No chance this guy had any lessons, let alone any training on situational awareness or deescalation. I think this is actually a straightforward trigger happy murderer.
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they could well have been military during the bay of pigs invasion....so yeah, possibly dated and shit AF
0 likesSo, Jordan Davis is State Representative Lucy McBath's son? Wow!
0 likesIncredible that he never once expressed regret for killing a kid
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If you read his prison letters, he's very proud of it and thinks more people should murder 'thugs' so they will know their place.
142 likes@Bees. link?
2 likesThis is not about thugs it’s probably about “color”
75 likes@Robert Smith, It's also incredible that humans express no regret for the murder that happens everyday in slaughterhouses. People are predators by nature, no matter how much you all think you're better than this guy, the fact is you're not. Nor am I. We all have our limits and we don't know why he did what he did, because we AREN'T Mike. We're all parasites on this planet, we just like to lie and mask it to make ourselves feel like we're better, but the fact is, it takes little to send someone to the point of taking it as far as Mike did.
18 likesMurder has been commited by all nations throughout history, be it against another person, or animals. The only time murder is prohibited is when it goes against Law. The same Law which was created by a handful of control-freaks which are hell-bent on trying to play god and maintain control over everything on their land, yet give the green light and say it's okay to let it happen to other beings. i.e pets getting burnt/hung alive, killed/butchered and eaten. It's hyper-hypocritical behaviour.
The only thing murders do is prove that the less of us on this planet, the better off it will be. This race is seriously messed up and that's not reserved for the people in these videos, i'm talking about everyone.
@adrenalinflow yeah I agree. His choice of words describing the victims and their selection of music was a tell tale sign. I also believe he is a sociopath.
40 likes@Robert Smith "Sociopathic", you say that like it's something to be a ashmed of. If you think it is, then you'll probably want to start questioning all of those in power, y'know, the ones that wrote all of the rules you live your life by? People in power tend to have the Traits of Socipathy more so than anyone else, to the point where it's concerning. It can apply to anyone out of power too.
11 likesGo and dig up history on anyone that's ever been in control of something of importance. You'd be concerned at how many of those in power tick all of these boxes, be it a severe Lack of Empathy, or having difficult relationships, being Manipulative and deceitful, Hostile, acting on Impulsivity, and partaking in risky behavior.
@Wardy T Do you deadass think people who commit first degree murder are just like everyone else? Should get that checked.
16 likes@Wardy T well said
2 likes@Wardy T hugs....I hear you
3 likes@Yaritza i mean i didn't need proof lol, i was just curios to read his letters.. this dude is crazy af, i don't need proof for that haha
1 like@Yaritza also thanks for the link
1 like@Wardy T idk man.. "it takes little to send someone to the point of taking it as far as Mike did." i mean.. many still didn't do it, i think that's a pretty good reason to not compare everyone to a murderer.
2 likesalso the thing with the slaughterhouses, humans ARE predators by nature, the first humans had to hunt to survive, i guess some of it is still in our DNA but not murder.
anyone who gets off of hanging animals and shit is not right in the head. it's just not ok to put every single human being in one pot.
@Robert Smith Yeah its so sickening he shows no remorse and acts like its nothing. He sounds tired of discussing it
1 like@Zene' Means I mean I doubt he would have shot 3 old black people in church clothes listening to gospel music too loud. It could be a factor but I’d say it’s more about the rap gangsta culture and young people being punks, in his view.
1 like@Tech Support some are
0 likes@Jesus Acero ty!
0 likesHonestly its usually one in the same
0 likes@Rando That's some primo trolling mate. Here's some attention.
14 likesHe blatantly refers to them as animals multiple times. The racism is strong in him.
11 likes@Bees. can you blame him for that?
0 likesLIFE WITHOUT PAROLE
0 likesi swear some of yall gonna end up in one of the videos on this channel lol
4 likes@Tech Support You want me to get checked? Under the same Laws that were written by, and defended by Psychos and Socipaths? I'll be damned if I'm going to be pointed at and shamed by hypocrites who are no better. I think you need to realise that we can all be subjected to adopting the traits of a psycho/sociopath, if the trauma we're thrown into is bad enough. put yourself in his shoes, you'd want to be treated fairly.
6 likesIf you think caring about the fact these kids were shot makes you all-round empathetic and a good person, then you're wrong. You're not showing any empathy toward the guy that's probably been subjected to abuse as a kid, or something else traumatic that's caused him to become unstable enough to gun down these people.
All people like you do is point and laugh at those who act out and do bad deeds, but you never care about the abuse they suffered at the hands of family, or the things that made them the way they are.
@Rando music comes down to preference so no genre ‘sucks’ and the guy was obviously racist
2 likes@CuTTyFlaM Here we go... another human trying to shame/label another because his feelings were hurt. I'm not an antinatalist. For a start, I never said that ALL humans should abstain from procreation, that's just you putting words in my mouth and you're wrong. I said that SOME people don't think before bringing life into this world, my parents are guilty of such thing.
5 likesThis thread’s a fucking mess.
0 likes@Zene' Means the implications of the word thug comes with people of color nowadays
1 like@IIZeRoII Have you ever been in a Life vs Death situation? Those moments fly by so quickly, and the window to react varies. What you've just said tells me that you haven't been in that position, for which I'd say you're fortunate - You'd be shocked where the human mind goes when it prioritises keeping the rest of your body alive - Anyone that hasn't found themselves in such situations, you are priviliged people. That doesn't, however, grant you or any other priviliged person permission to shame others for being unfortunate enough to be where they are, it just means you have had life easier.
4 likes"it's just not ok to put every single human being in one pot." If you were a fetus at one point, leeching sustanance from your Mother, if you eat meat, plant matter, or even breathe oxygen they give off, then you're a parasite by definition of the word, which means we are all in one pot. I don't care how much you try to detach from that, in regards to a parasite, you and I, and any other living beings are just that.
Anyone can be a killer/murderer too and they're both the same to me, be it "Lawfully" or not. Food or not, It's still founded in selfishness, how ever you look at it.
I'm not replying to anymore of these messages.
@K As is humanity. Welcome to the family.
2 likesThug
0 likes"So who had the gun?"
0 likes"Hopefully the guy that I hit..."
He doesn't consider him a human being or a child. He initiated the engagement on pure hatred alone.
1 like@Wardy T you project way too much buddy
1 likeCommon mentality of trigger happy gun owners: "Its their fault i killed them for petty reasons"
1 like@Wardy T
2 likesYou're honestly saying a lot more about yourself than anyone else.
You first have to view them as humans first!
0 likeshe truly felt like the victim i guess, its crazy how stubborn and arrogant he is
0 likesYou mean killing a thug ?
0 likes@Zene' Means it definitely is
0 likes@Vicious Vegan I thought thugs where ppl with criminal records.
0 likes@Zene' Means in this case thugs refers to colour, since its a word used to identify black boys or men
1 likeBut he thought he was a full grown man so that makes him justified, right?
0 likes@Goabnb94 in the beginning of the Interrogation he admits admits knowing they where kids.
0 likesThis guy should go to JAL big time...he shouldn't have had a gun in the first place. He should have had a safety class before he got a gun of any kind.
0 likesThe # 4 was very prevalent in this case.
0 likesKudos to the fiance for the doing the right thing, like Gus Petch she nailed his ass
0 likesThat initial phone call where he rants and raves about his victimhood well also dropping all those insults against black people in particular really tells everything you should know about what kind of animal this man was and why he completely deserves to be spending the rest of his life in prison. It's completely obvious that racism was deeply ingrained in this man's mind and totally contributed to his decision to kill that black teenager because he had the nerve to stand up to a white man.
1 likeI cringed with his every word while wondering who the fuck thinks like this. I am genuinely embarrassed for him and as a fellow human being. These people are NOT right in the head. They look "normal" and behave "normal" but are secretly and unknowingly damaged thinkers. May God please forgive us and help us all and watch over those young men and their families.
0 likesDo i need a lawyer? It sounds like i'm in deep shit. Well the district attorney's office, has issued a warrant for your arrest & you're being charged with 1st degree murder & attempted murder.
1 likeYou should've kept your mouth shut and asked for a lawyer before speaking to two homicide detectives.
One thing this channel has taught me, life is amazing when you don’t kill someone
2 likesRhonda is so softly spoken. I feel so bad for her
1 likeThe strength of Michael Dunn's ex fiance, Rhonda, is astounding. That had to be the hardest thing to endure; being brutally honest to detectives and the judge/jury/lawyers, knowing the answers would condemn the man she once loved.
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Still loved, I would think, at least at the time. You don’t immediately stop loving someone because they do something awful. Yet as clearly submissive as she was and as much as she loved him, she didn’t falter once as she spoke. I’m not surprised her voice was shaking. But damn, underneath her submissive personality is a hidden core of steel. I just hope she’s healing and can find happiness in life again.
57 likesIf she has any sense she'd have gotten over that love quick.
2 likes@Tig Knight He may be your father.
2 likes@Tig Knight she definitely knew he was gonna murder someone before that day. Yeah, that’s how things work. Lmfao
5 likesYeah what a gal. Wish I could find one that would divulge any and all info to cops and get me a 90 year sentence if god forbid I found myself doing something stupid like mike did . She is Definitely a keeper
3 likes@Non Ya teen murder = 'something stupid' right lol
3 likesyou dont have to do this if you are married i am pretty sure you are protected from going on hearing.
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0 likesSame animals he dealt with at the gas station are the same type of animals he dealt with in jail...
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Let him tell those chaps three cells down to keep it quiet and see how long it is before he is shanked!
0 likesjordan looked so innocent :(
1 likeIs it just me or was he smiling all the way through
0 likesMichael dunn was drunk thats why he waited so long to report anything if he was even going to report anything his girlfriend even said he had 4 mix drinks. He said all that stuff to his girlfriend over the phone knowing it would get out.what really sad ia there was a boy dead and dunn was aware . but all he cared about was there dogs well being.
1 like“I didn’t know I was being charged with murder.. that sucks.” 😂 yeah man that’s one way to put it. What a clown
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completely delusional lololol
35 likeshate when that happens, always ruins my day
94 likesLike it was a damn traffic ticket. Never even acknowledged the 17 year old who died because they're not human to him. Sad
67 likesLooks to me like psychopath response where they don’t care so much about consequences. Also very narcissistic and self serving with zero remorse… classic
20 likesIt sucks more to be dead. What about the families of the deceased ?
3 likesLol haha
0 likesLOL
0 likesLadies and Gentlemen what you will witness at the end of this tragic video is the DEVIL in his purest form. May he suffer every waking day of his life.
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0 likesThe fact that he did not once feel sorry for killing an unarmed 17 year old teenager is what baffles me the most. He went so far as saying that he'd do it again tomorrow if he happened to be in a similar situation 😐 disgusting, really. His fiancee felt more guilt than him and it wasn't even her fault.
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Privilege.
44 likesKilling a dirt bag violent criminal who happened to be 17. They had a gun btw. They ditched it to protect themselves.
16 likes@DeludoSui Oh god I hate engaging with trolls but.... how would he be in prison if you, obviously all knowing and all seeing, knew they had a gun? The child didn't have a record, neither did any of the others in the car, so how could he be a 'dirt bag criminal'? Fairly sure you are just making this up.
116 likesIkelos this is a joke right?
66 likesIkelos “if he took the shooting like a good victim” i know you’re joking lmao
48 likesHe doesn't see Black kids as human
50 likesIkelos “I only believe in statistics I have faked myself.” -Churchill
42 likesFelix DC some people are just that cold-hearted, it’s not worth engaging. I bet this is the type of guy who’s thinks the cops who killed George Floyd were in the right.
37 likes@KayUndae - That name again. George Floyd died of a heart attack while overdosing on fentanyl and meth. He worked himself up into a fit and his heart couldn't take it. The cops had to restrain a crazy person, whom they were quite considerate and concerned for until he started flailing around and screaming--Actually, even then. It was only after this continued that they took him to the ground and held him down, waiting for him to settle down.
7 likesActually he said there were "about 5 things he would have done differently last night" and the events were unfortunate. Of course asking people to turn their music down it's going to escalate things, it's their right to be rude to others and get away with it because they are black. One boomer calls them out and they get upset thinking their black privilege of acting thug will keep them from the consequences, but not that day.
5 likesDon't make the black kids angry.
3 likes@IttyBitty Exactly.
0 likes@KayUndae but they were?
0 likes@KayUndae Floyd absolutely did have drugs in his system. Fentanyl is a major depressant. Combined with a powerful amphetamine like meth, it absolutely would cause breathing problems.
2 likes@Chicken Wings
1 likeHuh?
Because of what?
I have been be homeless, doctors have done me wrong, police too..im not rich at all..i guess im waiting for my pirivilege😳😳😳😒
@Chicken Wings
0 likesHave been homeless*
@DeludoSui You are condoning the murder of a child without any cause or evidence.
4 likes@Outy Man "Whether or not he was intoxicated or had medications in his system is irrelevant to the cause of death, which is homicide."
1 likeTwo different independent studies confirmed that.
End of story.
@Chicken Wings Saying it's privilege is like me saying blacks are superpredaters. Let's have less of the racist crap.
0 likesHis fiance really dodged a bullet, on a couple levels. Definitely an abuser.
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According to Dunn's 1st two wives he was. If he and his fiancee were together for six years, I'm sure he was abusive to her too.
109 likesundoubtedly, everyone victim blaming her saying “she knew what she married” is appalling. discussing her passivity in his racism can be done with nuance and without blaming her
120 likesI've met people like her. She ends up with a pos guy because she wants security and doesn't want to be alone.
43 likes@Jon M the irony is she would have security with a regular dude but she perceives that an aggressive man will keep her safe.
13 likesyou know who DIDNT dodge a bullet?
9 likesReally and the evidence of abuse is what?
2 likes@Random guy with a baseball batte did you watch the video? None of the kids in the car had any violent record whatsoever ever. They were in high school and listening to music in a car. The punishment of murder doesn’t fit listening to music too loud “crime”.
21 likes@M A Yet
0 likesYep. Abusers always involved in power struggles.
2 likes@Random guy with a baseball batte This is a pretty awful perspective to have. Nobody in that group threatened them, the taste in music/race doesn't have shit to do with it. Living near a suburban area with barely any crime you'll have people blasting music on occassion, this doesn't mean they're thugs. Your labelling them as such for the music and, I imagine, the skin color is why the issue keeps on repeating itself; Same as the case of a man taking his rifle to fire at a teen just for knocking at the door, just presume trouble off of minor shit like music or race.
11 likes@Random guy with a baseball batte he was a kid who cursed at an older man. This makes him a thug?
10 likes@Avery Young he’s just a racist being sad on the internet don’t mind him
8 likes@Air Rodriguez And my stuff keeps getting deleted by youtube algorithm so my full comment is not complete, great.
0 likes@Random guy with a baseball batte it doesn't even matter when you sound like a guy who will be the perpetrator sometime in the future, just get some help
16 likes@bbarrera86 he obviously relates to Michael Dunn in some form. Probably looks just like him
13 likes@M A That means nothing. Not having a violent past is not evidence of innocence. It's not a binary. It just means they can't make an assumption about someone they've never met.
2 likes@Random guy with a baseball batte
1 likeIn addition you really have to re-listen to this 36:17 part.
That's the actually description of the KID who has been murdered because of the racists prejudgments of his murder that have been displayed before the shooting and confirmed with letters he wrote from jail.
They are no thug's and no life has been safes through the murder of that kid. The only person who saved lifes was the friend of that kid who saved the rest from that lunatic while he tried to kill even more of them.
@Kino Cartoon I've read the first paragraph and I'm not inclined to continue, I didn't excuse rapes but if you think that, then your comprehension reading is too low so I'm not willing to read the rest.
0 likes@Random guy with a baseball batte
1 like".., but it's like I'd you're a woman who dress half naked at 4 am in a dangerous place, criminals should be punished but ultimately it's also the woman's fault ..."
That's the comment I referred to. I know you wrote that criminals should be punished regardless but you also literally victim blamed a hypothetical rape victim even if it's an exaggerated example. But I do agree that "excuses rape" was the wrong descriptions for that so my apologies for it.
For this bit I still have to say that you need to learn the difference between "being at fault" and "being a/part of the cause".
Don't feel forced to reply, it's totally ok if you don't. It's your time and you decide how to send it.
@Jon M that isn’t true. You don’t understand the psychology of abused women or the dynamics in the relationship. It has nothing to do with security! It has a lot to do with the woman not knowing what love feels like, and actually believing (falsely) that feelings of fear mixed with a desire to be admired/loved is the sensation of “love”. This is usually due to an abusive father or absent father figure resulting in the woman believing sincerely that she is unworthy of love and deserving of the abuse.
0 likesAbused women believe they are broken no matter how hard they try to be good people. When the man treats her badly she is usually very apologetic and feels responsible.
It’s the perfect pairing, as a narcissist (or psychopath) takes no personal responsibility for anything ever, and the abused woman takes responsibility for everything, including the actions of others, and often becomes codependent in her desperate desire to feel loved and worthy by a male figure.
It’s very sad and some women never get out of those relationships and then they pass it on to their children.
@Kino Cartoon I'm not saying she's at fault in the legal sense, but it's up to everyone to use common sense. If you start insulting a guy in a gang knowingly and he shoots you, obviously he's the one to be punished by law, but you have a part of responsability. If you don't think so, society has successfully brainwashed you and you can only blame yourself when reality strikes back.
0 likes@Random guy with a baseball batte
0 likesAnd you my gal just successfully described the difference between being at fault and being a cause.
Being a cause means that whatever you did was part of causing the situation. In your example it was provoking someone who can hurt you.
Being at fault includes being a cause and means you are responsible for the action or event that transpired which in case of harm being done by a person is that actors fault. Aka the guy who hurt the other guy for the insults in still responsibility for that action because he did it.
Another example is that a stalker starts to stalk and harm a person who insulted and laughed at them on the internet. If the person hadn't insulted the stalker this wouldn't have happened and there for they are part of the cause which resulted in the stalkers assault but the stalker was ultimately the person who did the harm and the harmful action making them part of the cause AND responsible for what he does resulting in him being at fault.
That's what I tried to tell you and I hope you get that now.
@Kino Cartoon But if you're a cause on purpose, you're still partly at fault because you actively participated into getting in a dangerous situation.
0 likesThere's a reason why not many people cry or feel bad for the people who ignore warnings and go do unecessarily dangerous stuff like going into underwater caves that are known to have 200+ body count including professionnals and have signs all over the place describing how dangerous and forbidden it is, despite being an amateur. Why is it different here ? Because the killer is human ? For me, they're all at fault.
He genuinely believes he deserves to be let go because he was justified in his rage. What a sense of entitlement. What cruelty and disregard for human life.
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Nah that was just an act. He does genuinely think that everybody's stupid tho and thought he could get away with murder. Had he got away he would've taken pleasure by getting away with something he knew he shouldn't have.
17 likes@Alex Rodriguez its just an act based on what? He reeks of entitlement from the first couple minutes of this video and it gets progressively worse, Im not sure how he could be acting when the only acting he did was pretending he saw anything resembling a weapon and pretending the kids did anything threatening to him.
19 likes@Jon Evans Saying that he's not acting is implying that he genuinely believes he did nothing wrong, but that's not the case otherwise he would've called the cops right away and not changed the story from kids to men multuple times.
5 likesthat's the definition of white privilege.
37 likes@Michael Morrison Let me guess... you're white?
30 likesI told you there’s no white.
2 likes@Michael Morrison well that answers the question
2 likesDoes Lebron James kids have white privilege?
2 likes@Michael Morrison is lebron white😂. if you actually follow him you’ll see him post the struggles he deals with being black in the us. try another person
12 likes@Jo’kesha I’m sure Lebrun struggles a whole lot.
3 likesWell said spaghetti bird.
0 likes@Michael McQueeferton Even if you’re insulting me I like the sound of that.
0 likes@Wai'ala Kāhele no I was replying to the OP. I’m not involved in your argument
1 like@GreedEU You don’t understand these topics as well as you think, remember to listen and learn above else
1 like@Michael Morrison fallacy
2 likes@Ferreira Designs wut
0 likes!!!!!!!
0 likesI am a white female wasp. I did not know that I was Entitled. Can someone please tell me what I'm entitled to?
0 likesA Callouss and pitiless person
1 likeSomething, unfortunately, very common in USA.
0 likesHe has npd
0 likesentitlement is the best way to describe this disgusting man
3 likes@Michael Morrison there is such thing as white! It’s a color…or a shade either way it’s real!
0 likes@Staci Schuck to sting people without remorse
0 likesI’m talking about culture there genius, you can’t lump all people of a certain color into one box it’s small minded and exactly what your rulers want.
0 likesWelcome to fucking florida.
0 likes@Saucy Pupper for loud music?
0 likesFor animal life
0 likes@Michael Morrison glad you can get a joke
0 likes@Michael Morrison Like saying there are no straight lines. In reality, sure, you're right. In nature, yeah, you can't find a single straight line, as described by x=y, etc. But they DO exist—in our minds. Just like how, whether or not there's a gene for whiteness, the concept still undeniably plays a huge role in almost every society on Earth.
0 likes@GreedEU doesn't mean it doesn't or hasn't happened on other occasions.
0 likes@GreedEU they didn't help him because he didn't give them a leg to stand on there was nothing they could do or say to help him... It was that blatant why would this man go through all this if he didn't think it could work?
0 likesExactly my thought
0 likesHis fiancee is a real hero of this story. Honest and honorable woman.
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@ScheezyTV you don't have to be so rude if you disagree
146 likes@ScheezyTV like seriously, what did she do to you personally?
69 likesEh I mean she did stay with that pos for at least a day before and that’s odd to me. Not very honorable in my opinion. She shouldn’t have ever gotten in the car or at least got away and called police after the incident
78 likes@Agey bb I wouldn’t run away from a guy who just killed somebody personally. Like. I don’t want to die too.
225 likes@ScheezyTV honesty is good thing
11 likesMost of these people have a comic book definition of "hero" in their heads, don't bother with them.
47 likes@Shaye Marina What's your definition of a hero?
6 likes@Nicholas Jarvis true, she did say she didnt want to express her thoughts as he was already timid.
13 likesSo many people here triggered by the word "hero." I guess they expected her to jump out, tackle him to the ground and grab the gun? Really though, when so many people in her position would lie to try to help the person they were with, she did the right thing and told the truth to the cops. I give her credit for at least being honorable in a world where so many people are not.
94 likes@djcsr Thank you. I never thought that people will react this way 🤔
15 likes@Shaye Marina yes she is
4 likes@Agey bb she should have gotten herself stuck in Florida? Most ppl in her situation would lie.
5 likesShe might have been afraid of him, but felt safe enough to tell the truth once the police had her in the interrogation room
28 likesI'm just amazed by how many people think that betraying your family is the right thing to do. You even have literal laws that exonerate people from testifying against their husband or wife. If your son shot someone dead would you go to the police and turn him in? Because it's the right and honorable thing to do and the world would be a better place and society would thank you very much for this?
5 likesStand by your man in good and bad times, she is def not a hero.
1 like@ScheezyTV she’s brave and you think crying is week which is pathetic on your part okay no one asked for your toxic opinion
14 likes@Nurmi Koil Yes. I would. No one should stand up for a person who kills with no justification.
27 likes@Nurmi Koil I'm sorry, but are you saying she should have stood by a murderer? I love my family and I would be absolutely heartbroken if any of them did this, but I know I my pain wouldn't be as bad as the other family's if they had their loved one ripped away from them in such a brutal and cold blooded manner. I find it extremely disturbing how you would willingly cover for a murderer just because they are a loved one
29 likes@Stephen Dedalus Jusy because someone is emotional does not make her any less honorable. The fact that she stood against the love of her life after such a traumatizing event is admirable itself. Unfortunately many people will lie for their loved ones either out of fear of losing them or fear of being abused or killed by them. There are a lot of true crime videos and podcasts that cover cases like that and it is absolutely gut wrenching.
27 likes@Sven S. Standing by your man during financial, health, and relationship trials yes. Standing by him after he shot at teenagers, killing one of them in the process, absolutely not.
36 likes@Tay Tay Unicorn you're right thank you for taking the time to correct me
5 likes@Nurmi Koil you do realise that a young man who got shot has family too? I just don't undetstand this kind of thinking.Sorry that's just my opinion.
14 likes@Agey bb it’s not like she was aware of the situation he did. They had been together for years and were on a trip for a wedding.
8 likesShrek is a Real Hero.
9 likesI have a 'controversial' take on Rhonda.
2 likesWhen you watch her full interview she is paranoid about being charged with a crime herself, especially for leaving the scene and not calling the police.
The detectives then get her to take the same oath you would in court to corroborate her statement in the interview.
During the trial she never contradicts her statement in the police interview. I wonder if she was worried she would be found in contempt of court or some kind of criminal charge for contradiction of an earlier statement.
As consequently, Micheal Dunn suggests in letters to Rhonda after her interview to state facts that he hadnt mentioned to her before his arrest.
@Nicholas Jarvis It can be so easy to want to lie to the police in that situation because you know instead of dealing with them being pissed when you're home they will be doting over the fact that you had their back, and ultimately you are going home with that person. Im like 10 min in and I can already see how toxic their relationship is. Cool that you saw she was scared of him, I think you are right I'm sure she knew it was him almost immediately.
2 likes@Sven S. I agree about sticking by your man in all times, but I don't know about these two, we are only getting a glimpse of a night that he flew off the rail and got caught. Who knows what other violent outbursts he has had in the privacy of their home. She seems so timid probably because the dude was abusive in some way or another. That said, I don't view her as a hero per se, but at least she didn't lie for his sorry ass. A 17 year old is dead because why? That's just so sad.
8 likes@ScheezyTV she stood against her fiance and told the truth, she recognised that he had killed a 17 year old for no good reason and instead of defending him like so many others have done (Chris Watt's mother for example, he killed both of her granddaughters and her daughter in law for his new mistress) she shopped him. She is both a better person and braver than you ever will be, have fun sitting behind your screen throwing insults.
9 likes@Nurmi Koil well maybe his lawyer should have moved to exclude “spousal” evidence from court... rhonda’s job as a witness is to tell he truth. He sounds like he got a shitty lawyer
1 like@ScheezyTV this man was clearly not a good man. He has extremely arrogant, narcissistic and showed sociopathic behaviour. She was probably subject to forms of manipulation and narcissistic behaviour in the relationship, and she most likely is insecure or something else to agree to be in a relationship with this man. On top of that, she was called up in front of the whole public to basically go against her fiancé and contribute to his life sentence, right in front of him. In combination with the pressure, manipulation, and other factors, it’s very likely she could have cracked and lied for him. Instead she told the truth. She’s not a knight in shining armour but I have respect for this
7 likes@Agey bb if your fiancé said “get in the car” all hysterically i guarantee you’d jump in the car too. this was her fiancé, most wouldn’t come forward at all so no need to be rude.
8 likesI think the hero is Tommy. The man who reversed, quick thinking to try and save himself and friends. This whole story is terrible, a life lost because you don’t like the music someone is playing? Evilness, after just attending his own SONS wedding. He would so carelessly take a child’s life away like that.
12 likesWell said she deserves better than him
0 likes@Agey bb she didn’t really know what had happened until she saw it on the news the next morning.
1 like@djcsr Its good to see that the amount of like actually makes sense on this thread. Some people just are born to be against and that's it. kudos to the lady, she was shaking, probably thinking that in this wicked world, there was a possibility for him to walk away from this and his shadow would prey on her as she already had witness. If you follow this channel, you now that are monsters out there that trick the system or are just in luck, sometimes with the most absurd timings in history, and they just keep plaguing our world...
2 likes@Agey bb I mean, she didn't know what happened. Drejka just drove off. Why would she stay and call the police on whose behalf? She didn't know what happened. She didn't even initially know it was her fiance who fired the shots.
1 like@Rytis Gervickas people will display their righteous anger to strangers just to stroke their ego and ride their moral high horse
2 likes@Nurmi Koil apparently these heroic people would. At least that's what I would expect from them seeing they seem to love to profess that they're so unbiasedly moral.
0 likesShes cool but all 3 boys were better, like cmon their friend died
1 likeAgreed!
0 likesHope they are no longer engaged... He doesn't deserve this woman filled with integrity. Plus, their relationship may turn a bit toxic with a constant mindset like "I'm in jail right not because you didn't lie for me."
1 likeas if he wasn't racist or doing dumb shit before that incident. who tf would date this guy? i don't think she's a hero at all. just someone trying to keep themselves out of trouble
1 likeAgreed. I'm sure that wasn't easy for her.
0 likes@Press Play it's a free country and she could've left him a long time ago.. Yeah their relationship was probably not going good and this was the perfect opportunity to get rid of him and keep his shit
0 likes@Hathai wow you're a little to committed to defending her??
0 likesVery honest and honourable lady
0 likes@Agey bb he convinced her that they were trying to take his life.. I'm curious how that falls on her for staying with her significant other who just claimed to almost be murdered after SHE suggested to pull into the gas station
0 likes@djcsr I don't think many people would lie for their bf or gf tbh. You can get a big sentence and she knew he was a monster after that.
2 likes@Agey bb bruh of course she’s gonna get in the car with the guy she had known for over 4 years and was her Fiancé! She had no idea what happened so there’s nothing dishonorable with her getting into the car of her significant other and asking what happened. Are you just purposefully not thinking logically?
1 like@Oznem Derks I certainly hope not-- and you're right about the consequences. However, my comment was aimed more at the opinions expressed here that she should have. I suppose we should remember that the YouTube comments section is filled with 14-year-olds ;)
1 likeShe's just a fucking normal person, dont call her a hero
0 likesshe is just a normal honest woman who in her life endured unfair treatment of "strong" as*holes she always pick as a partner. This time she finally met one that "has a heart and is such good guy"...she was finally happy. Too bad for her...he "was a victim his whole life" type of asshole with complexes in him....
2 likesSo she once again...ended up as a loser in all this. This type of women who pick always the wrong guy....and this kind of "victim" white boys who "always did what is right and once they tried to do it different they pay for it....so unfair." Are on every corner..
No heroes.......just people
The guy's entitlement mentality is sickening. He said "I'm the victim here" wtf? You just killed an unarmed teenager and you still had the guts to say these kind of thing?
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@Wade Smith unhinged 💀
25 likes@Suzy Rottencrotch dude you need help if someone being "annoying" justifies murder in your eyes
121 likes@starry night Murder is never justified this is just life and you should get used to it
4 likes@starry night 😊
1 likeRacism be like that sometimes
40 likes@Suzy Rottencrotch
33 likesBut, the killer did not get away with the crime. He is being punished. You need to get used to criminals being locked up for a long time. Both parties had fault and both parties messed up their lives royally.
@amethyst light How was he being punished if he cost the United States taxpayer $36,000 a year just to keep him in jail and he’s doing Fentanyl the entire time
5 likes@Suzy Rottencrotch Uhhh, everyone else, leave this person be.
28 likesThey're obviously trolling.
Well to be fair he's a POS but I genuinely think he believed they were armed at that point. The crime is not so much in the specific incident and the resulting tragedy, but rather that he harbored the mentality that led to the incident for apparently the better part of 45 years.
4 likes@Suzy Rottencrotch so you'd be ok with it if you or someone close to you was murdered, once again, MURDERED, for playing country or whatever you listen to, loudly, in your own damn car? Didn't think so.
4 likes@eggpearman he didn’t think that they were armed. it was a cop out, he lengthened the time of their probably 20 second exchange to make it seem like there was time for a weapon to be flashed when in reality all that happened was the boy saying “Yeah i’m talking to you “ them the guy started shooting. he didn’t fear for his life he just thought he could get away with killing some black kids.
9 likes@Suzy Rottencrotch ah classic
2 likesExactly. The second he started whining about being the victim, my eyes rolled so hard they practically fell out of my head.
2 likes@Renee To be fair, there is no evidence of this being race related. I think what the guy did was horrible, but we really should stop assuming something is race related just because it involves a white guy and a black guy.
2 likes@H Hasslinger He might not consciously be thinking "they're black so they're subhuman", but it's very clear that he had a prejudicial judgement of the people he was shooting at. He literally called them "animals", that their music was "thug music", etc.
14 likesYou don't pull a gun on someone for saying "yeah, I'm talking to you" and playing loud music unless you have a very strong hatred for that person already, and considering that they were strangers, had barely done anything to him, and Dunn wasn't really going through much that might've been frustrating him, racism is pretty much the only motivation that makes any sense as a potential trigger. He believed the man he murdered was a "thug", not a person, and genuinely didn't understand why he was being punished.
@Suzy Rottencrotch u lose the right to speak if ur name is suzy. unwritten rule
2 likes@Suzy Rottencrotch this ain't ip2...
2 likes@XANTASTIC lol quite a mess I’ve created
1 like@Suzy Rottencrotch
2 likesOh Suzy, you rapscallion 🤣
Such an obvious yet delightfully executed troll. Kudos 👍
😊 On that note I’ll see myself out... TRUMP 2024
1 likeYou won’t be able to convince him that he’s the criminal in this scenario.
0 likes“I refused to be the victim, so I’m the victim” make it make sense
0 likesTruly evil
0 likesYou're wrong. That's not mentality sick... Almost everyone in the world tries the "i'm the victim here"... Just look at feminism, blm, marroc vs spain, cuba or venezuela vs usa, employe vs boss.
1 like@DarthVaderReviews It was thug music, and he probably called them animals because they were playing the music very loudly, and also because it was thug music. It doesn't have anything to do with them being black. That being said, it was absolutely horrible what he did.
1 like@Suzy Rottencrotch how does loud music for the short duration your next to each other fuck up anyone’s day? If you music you don’t like is being played and it fucks up your day then you need therapy for unresolved issues you may or may not know about.
1 likeyea its funny how it's "self defense" yet they didn't do anything like get out or pull out a knife or smh, they just talked smh
0 likes@H Hasslinger If your response is "but yeah, it is thug music" and then say calling someone an animal for playing loud music you consider thuggish seems like a reasonable enough train of thought that involves zero racism... MAYBE you should take a look in the mirror.
1 like@starry night it does fpr joggers during protests and they been gettin out
0 likesWhile his fiancé was basically telling him he was full of shit
0 likesHis entitlement comes from him even thinking he can ask someone else to turn their music down. Most people would just shut up and deal with it because it is only a temporary encounter. He needed to be obeyed.
0 likes@DarthVaderReviews Did you ever listen to the song? It definitely is thug music. I think we can both agree on that. Also, while everyone has their own opinion on people playing ridiculously loud, thuggish music, the fact that he probably called them animals more than likely had to do with that. Is it a "black" trait to play unnecessarily loud thug music? Of course not, it's a ghetto trait. Bottom line is that it's not racist to dislike thug music, or to be very bothered by people playing loud music in their cars.
1 like@Sean Kelly Where is the evidence?
1 likeThey dont look nor act like teenagers
0 likes@3a3a3a that is a rather short comment and I'm wondering what you mean by it because I don't know which video you look at but the victims looked young to me if I didn't know who they were or hadn't heard the news story I would have assumed they were between the ages of possibly 16 to 22. So I'm not sure what you're trying to state are you in some warped way trying to defend the complete psychopath that murdered that young man?
1 like@Wade Smith and have a no drop limit so all their heads pop off
0 likes@Dakota Brown now we’re cooking with bacon grease
1 likeThis man is a monster he definitely committed a hate crime by murdering a young man over Hatefulness Victim my ass.
0 likes@3a3a3a have you met a teenager?
0 likes@Sean Kelly I don't think it's worrying to want evidence if someone claims racism. It would be wrong if a black man was falsely accused of racism just because the person he killed was white and because the people had a feeling it was racist without proof. It should be the same the other way around. In those letters, he never fully explained that he hates black people. He mentioned that almost everyone in the prison with him were black and that they were all thugs. Most likely its because of the whole way race works in prison. Most inmates group up by race, so he was probably treated badly. That being said, I dont feel bad for him at all, he absolutely deserves it. I'm just saying that there is no proof that he is racist. If it were racially motivated, then he would have been convicted of a hate crime.
0 likesWell, what can i say! They're big boys. So?
0 likesOnce the cop on video realizes that Micheal got out of the car to haul off on these kids he can't even look at him.
1 likeWhen is people gonna learn to say nothing to the law without an attorney..
0 likes"I really didn't know I was being charged with murder. That sucks." It does? Gee wiz.
1 likeSome of the analysis seemed a little off.. just because he called them kids during the interview and then described how he thought they were adults during the altercation doesn’t disprove his initial thinking, he likely at that point had the benefit of knowing they were adolescents by the time that interview occurred.. also, I don’t think the jury saw the emotional breakdown on the stand as 100% methodical, He did ultimately lose everything he loved, don’t think it was that malicious..
1 likenevertheless fuck him lol
Edit - also love this channel usually the analysis is spot on just two parts I had second thoughts about on this analysis.
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You're not necessary wrong but this is exactly why you never ever talk to the police without a lawyer. They're not joking when they say "anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law".
0 likesThe police are never your friends, they're building a case against you at all times. Every single word you say matters in an interrogation room.
I feel bad for the kids that were shot up because some deranged psychopath that thinks he is Clint Eastwood that can bark orders for people to turn off their music. The victims families and the Wife of Dunn because she knows what happened and had to testify against her husband.
2 likesI don't know how PC this is, but the psychological tactic of having an African American, successful, fluent detective interrogate a racist goes unmentioned. It's also smart.
0 likesThis guys defense was literally: "so anyways, I started blasting..."
0 likesThe poetic Justice that he was grilled by a black detective 🤣🤣🤣🤣🕵🏿♂️
1 likeGod bless this family I hope this racist man rots in jail
1 likeWhen keepin' it real goes wrong.
1 like“I was like ‘live and let live’”….. we’re you really now?
2 likesI like when the guy calls 9mm a "large caliber"
0 likesI think he’s guilty. Inexcusable. But why don’t they ask for a lawyer?!!
0 likesI wish humans weren't so weak or proud or prejudicial or anything bad for that matter. Imagine how hard it is to be an errorless and clean human 24x7x365 for each one of us.
0 likesWhy can't we get rid of "the bad ourselves" ever?
Feels so grossly sad for the kid who got to see only that much of the world and life as a whole. It's painful to see Rhonda's dreams shattered too but she sacrificed it all for honesty. All just because of a human being falling into the trap of prejudice and ego.
I wish Rhonda all the very best in life and sincerely hope that she's moved past that nightmare. Respect and love to you, ma'am. 🙏🏻
I really love these videos, but most of the interviews are of people who were convicted and are guilty. I was wondering if you guys could analyze the interview of someone innocent and how they figured that out. Thanks!
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There was one. I think it was from Canada, where police made up a bunch of stuff and pulled in some guy that got off a bus (and didn't know what happened). They tried all the techniques, nothing worked. When they lied and said they had the tape, he responded by saying he wanted to see it. He was in jail for some time for no reason and sued the police/government, too. I think the perp the police were looking for was light skinned, but they arrested a dark skinned guy.
41 likesCheck out his Patreon, I believe there are some videos of people that are innocent on there.
13 likesThere’s a show on Netflix that is like these videos but it’s when innocent people admit to a crime they didn’t commit because of interrogation tactics. The episodes get me mad because I don’t understand how people say things they didn’t do (one as serious as “I shot him with a shotgun several times”, the guy didn’t do it, but had minor mental problems)
7 likes@Dogbert There's also that particularly brutal "interrogation" where the cops basically dragged a homicide survivor from his gf's home (where his girlfriend's ex - and the ex's dad - shot the both of them at point blank) to the interrogation room while he still had a bullet lodged in his brain. Still can't get through that one all the way.
8 likesOh god now I see this comment on every videos of jcs just buy a membership on patreon if u want more content there are some videos of innocents people’s
4 likesThey did a couple of those! There’s one awhile back of a guy who him and his gf were shot by her ex. They drag this poor SOB in and interview him as a suspect of an attempted murder suicide WHILE he has a bullet home in his face and they act like it’s suspicious that he can’t answer questions with a brain injury it is SO frustrating
8 likesWell, convicted yes! It's possible some years hence some of these will be shown to be innocent (probably not this one!). We are seeing the same "facts" as the jury/prosecutors, not necessarily the true story
1 likeThis please!
0 likes@Meghan Wallace where can I find those? On the patreon?
1 likeJulio Chavez Casanova yeah you only need to pay 1$ a month though to view the content and honestly it’s worth it! YouTube wouldn’t allow the video to be public I think because honestly this particular video I mentioned was really disturbing in a different way than the convicted murderers. It’s just heart breaking seeing someone suffer and be falsely accused of something
4 likes@Meghan Wallace dang that's crazy, thanks for the reply
0 likesWatch the interview of Ben J from the band New Boyz where he talks about killing a man in self defense. it's up on youtube. Theres a case of a guy who killed someone in a life or death situation, and was traumatized by it. Emotions aside, all the story telling beats are totally different.
2 likesI know of 2. Get on Patreon. One a kid who had been shot in the face was being interviwed as a suspect. Took the detectives a while to realize his mumbling and weird behavior was because he was a victim. Another was of a mom who lost her child and the detectives dug into her because she was too logical and not emotional enough.
1 like@Dogbert i saw that one. It was unbelievable.
0 likesThrowback1911 not as good as this channel though
0 likes@Jane Smith I don't know if it's the same one you're talking about, but there's also a 17 year old girl accused of killing her newborn baby because her little brother died like 10 years earlier. And a new widow who gets screamed at over her husband's suicide. And the college boy who's accused of killing his girlfriend even though he has a solid alibi (the guy who goes "check everything, please, check everything.") Can you tell I watch these videos too much...
1 like@clovery i know the ones you are talking about. Im not sure the Asian girl was innocent but i suppose it is unfair to blame her childs death on her because another baby died in her care . Sad stories.
1 likeHere: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lr_zt1J64BU
0 likesImagine how awkward that night was haha I’d be like wtf did you do!!
0 likesI guess you could say that his future is... dunn for
2 likesNo matter the situation, your never wrong for telling the truth.
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Even when you have Anne Frank in your attic?
1 likeTWENTY SEVEN DOLLARS FOR A PHONE CALL????!!!!!! I'd hang up immediatley.
1 like"I was sob wOrRiEd sob aBoUt rHoNdA" 😩
6 likesGag.
Dude was wrong for killing that man, period!!!
1 likeHe shot NINE times and didn’t hit the stereo ONCE?! Jeeez, If he had a problem with the music…
0 likesThe fiancé is noble AF telling the truth when it was hard.
0 likesYour mom is sending you a book. That was the most awkward dialogue I have ever heard
0 likesnarrator has such a great voice
0 likesTragedies like this young man losing his life over absolutely nothing make me grateful we don't have readily available guns on the streets in the UK
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Guns arent the issue hate is the issue
0 likes@Timothy Williams of course guns are the issue, that kid would still be alive if Michael Dunn didn't have a gun.
0 likes@void_minis so
0 likesAnd especially in the united states, banning guns wont stop guns, just like drugs
0 likes@Kenneth Bush yeah just like it didn't work in Australia or the UK or any and every other nation that doesn't have guns. The casual "so" reply to a statement about a young man's loss of life is unbelievable in its callousness
1 like@void_minis i see what i see because i live here, you hear what you hear because you dont, unfortunately any freedoms given to a large amount of ppl will be met with consequences, gang on gang violence is the majority of gun related deaths and i dont give a damn what they do to each other, its not the guns its the cultural united states thats the issue, lots of countries whos right to be armed is allowed do not face the issues we face, our country is full of hate and fear among our people and the fact that im able to own such things is a blessing for me, i will not give up my right for tue wrong doings of others, our justice system has allowed serious crime to be dealt with in a petty way, the "so" was a challenge for you to reply not a disrespect to the victim
0 likes@void_minis how do you feel about our police?, dont worry you dont have to answer that i already know what you will say
0 likesRacism isnt a problem among our police i live in an area of cultural diversity and its never been a problem
0 likes@void_minis your argument is no longer valid
0 likes@Kenneth Bush hahaha yes sir.. the facts of my country make my point invalid after your long rant about your country earlier I find that highly amusing. Congratulations on perpetuating the idea the Americans can't take criticism or hear another's points. "My rights are what matters" trumps all I guess
0 likesHe's not sorry at all, even though he knows he shot the boy in cold blood
1 like“Didn’t know I would be charged with murder, that sucks “ How out of touch with human emotions can you be
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Stefan Dellis Cioanca I had to laugh when he came out with that! Quite unreal.
10 likeshe still thinks he has a chance to get out, he that convinced hes a hero. he expects people to believe it his way, and for the charges to be dropped. typical for these kinda of people
6 likestelegan yeah that’s true, most people don’t process emotions like that guy for sure
2 likes“Hold up fellas, am I hearing this right? You’re charging me with murder? Why? Just because I murdered someone?”
1 likeHe's not bragging about his gun skills.....he's trying to come off as a proficient, trained gun handler that has training and he was just following some kind of protocol or procedure as a result of having military friends that show him stuff. He's also trying to find affinity with the officers because they are trained gun handlers, who follow procedures from training. It's an attempt to appear emotionally detached and analytically following some taught protocol, in order to detract thought from that he might have fired in anger.
0 likesI'm so glad this dude is locked up.
0 likes“Hopefully it was the kid that I hit” jesus christ dude
0 likesIf those boys had a gun to defend themselves, it woulda been a different story.
0 likes“im the victor but im also the victim” god that phone call in the beginning says SO SO SO MUCH about who this guy is
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"The victor" like it was a videogame not a murder
23 likesHe really said “preyed upon” like they were fucking animals
32 likesAlso: “they’re violent.” SIR, WHAT?
At the end of the day, no matter what happens, Israel always wins.
9 likes💯💯💯❤
0 likes@Hannah and some people in the comments are saying he ain't racist 😂
7 likes@Karolin that's right. He doesn't have to be racist to hate thug, n-word music bombarding his senses.
0 likesJustice SERVED ……. kinda. Someone’s still dead and someone’s still alive …….. so …… KINDA ……… is the keyword here
0 likesI’ve watched this so many times.
0 likeslistening to this guy speak damaged my brain cells
0 likesHe just ruined his life in less then 10 minutes, i can’t understand why peaple do stuff like this.
0 likesThe hidden story is how lucky that lady got for not marrying Dunn.
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literally dodged a bullet lmao
1589 likesShe could've divorced and gotten his entire estate while behind bars, that would've been a golden ending to this guys life
753 likesFirst Seal DawnOfArmageddon “I didn’t want to aggravate him” after he just shot a guy. Yeah real stand up husband
357 likesWell put.
20 likesLook how scared she is. Pretty sure he made her life hell. Hope now she is living a free and happy life away from that bully.
578 likesLol
3 likes@jmaedl027 jmaedl so? She had to deal with this idiot, I'd be drinking too.
299 likesExactly what I was thinking.
45 likesMuh girl got an easy out!
Exactly.
2 likes@Women Rock! Thankfully they weren't married yet. If his behavior here is any indication, this could have been her death, perhaps at a later time.
155 likesI felt so bad for her. Worse for the young man who died. This jackass destroyed two people that day. I'm sure his friends are still traumatized as well.
159 likesShe seems like the kind of person who ends up with this kind of guy every time though. I'd still be worried about her.
110 likesDid she break off the engagement? Because when she testified she called him her fiance, not ex
41 likesNow the poor lady has PTSD💔
43 likesThe first hidden story is using an excuse of walking the dog to leave his son's wedding early. It's his dog's fault that he's an arse. He had to be in control at all times, and nobody else matters at all, any time.
67 likesI HATE her mousey demeanor and the "babe of the woods" routine is gag-worthy! ugh She knew EXACTLY what was going on.
53 likesPink and Black Girl oh, but you’re definitely a lot more nuanced than her, yeah?
2 likesShe killed herself November 9th 2019
4 likes@Scott Alderson proof?
11 likesU can tell she knew this might b her only way to escape b4 she was the next one to lose her life..good for her. Smart lady..
8 likesVery good point.
1 likeBre-VARD County*
4 likesHe probably was very aggressive towards her. She is so sweet and soft spoken I don't even understand how they ended up together.
44 likes@R that actually would have been smart
0 likes@Scott Alderson how did she do it?
1 likeAbsolutely..
0 likes@Unfettered One, appears alcohol was the common denominator.
4 likes@Scott Alderson Where did you hear that? I think you're mistaken. I did an extensive Google search and found nothing about her death, from suicide or otherwise.
43 likesimagine him yelling at her to shut music down ! bang! "she threatened my life, I defended myself "! huh!!!
4 likesim glad our last names aren't the same
8 likesRhonda did not commit suicide. She is no longer with Dunn. She broke off the engagement before his trial in 2014.
48 likes@Unfettered One Opposites don't attract?
2 likes@Unfettered One Like does not always attract like. It would be nice if that were the case, but it's simply not true. There are nice, selfless people who date selfish assholes, insecure people who date narcissists, violent people who date peaceful people, and honest people who date liars. Lots of people end up with people who aren't them, and don't hold the same values. Love can blind people to who a person really is, and often people don't find out who their partner really is until they learn the hard way. It sucks, but it happens.
32 likesThis woman is clearly not like the man that she was about to marry. Her testimony contradicted his and helped convict him. She is obviously an honest person, who was distraught at his actions.
@Dio Brando See my above comment.
0 likes@Jeff Warren Did you seriously just try to use this tragedy to advertise your YouTube channel? There's a time and a place, man. Now is not it.
15 likes@Just Another Happy Humanist Sorry if I offended u.Listen,I am Black.I followed this case probably more than anyone else.Its beyond sad.I wanted to make people laugh instead of cry.
9 likesThis case was about racism and hatred.My comedy has an underlying message in it which I hope one day can bridge gaps,no matter how small.If I offended u,that was not my intent.Comics cope in different ways.
@Dio Brando Thanks bro!!
1 like@Debbie Meyers what do you think a fiance is? Lol no she didn't break it off
0 likes@ShelbisTheShloth well i was replying to someone who called him her ex boyfriend, so,
0 likes@Debbie Meyers didn't convey because you didn't "tag" a person so I interpreted it different.
0 likesThe Hidden Story???
7 likesWTF!!!
A Person is Dead!!!
Cheesecake Head!
@TheUpwardbound1 because weak people get manipulated- thats why
1 like@Tallon Qsack BAAWAAHAHAHHAHA! 100% TRUTH!!!!
0 likesyall are exactly right unfortunately and unsurprisingly. a neighbor stated to investigators he had witnessed dunn physically abuse his ex-wives, even said he had held a gun to one of their heads at some point and threatened at least 2 with deportation. all alleged of course but i mean. this guy's behavior and the way he talks speaks for itself
20 likesJavagirl69 that's what I was thinking too that she could of pissed him off years later after they got married and he could of murdered her too. Hopefully she realizes this and doesn't stay with him. As far as we know, she hasn't broken up with him or has she?
6 likesToyoka they weren’t super lucky. They watched their friend get shot and bleed out in under a minute.
4 likesNot really.....Hes a socio path as am i...So I can break it down for u...Just cause he shows no compassion for others, does not mean he didn't love her!!!! The love of a socio path is genuinely stronger than tht of a normal individual......
2 likes@Jason Mitchell Unfounded arrogance coupled with wildly incorrect statements.
19 likes@Fooku Studios whatever man
0 likesjmaedl027 jmaedl what makes you think she’s an alcoholic? Why would that even matter?
5 likesI was thinking the same the whole time she was on
0 likesShe's such a sweetheart, doughboy didn't deserve her.
3 likesAmen to that
0 likesShe did the right thing.
0 likesI wonder if he abused her behind closed doors.... Or if he had like split personalities that he was able to hide for four years years without her realizing who he truly was...
3 likes@Tallon Qsack Right on.
0 likesI don‘t see why everyone is blaming Mr. Dunn!!! The fact that these guys don‘t have a rap sheet is mere chance and the outcome could be completely otherwise!!! See Nathan Potter and propably thousands of others. White lives matter, too👏🏻👍🏻🤷🏻♀️
0 likesAnd she looked scared the whole time. He tried to pass himself off as the knight in shining armour protecting his lady, she saw a killer.
8 likesI was thinking her family probably never liked him. He's a bully.
9 likes@R Well he was never getting out and they had shared their house and dog, so she had a good-ish ending..
1 like@jmaedl027 jmaedl I bet she stopped after this, but I do not remember that coming up. Was she?
0 likesJASON Mitchell You people are not able to love!
2 likesNo the story is a young man lost his life for no reason at all. He no doubt was abusive towards his girlfriend
5 likesFirst Seal DawnOfArmageddon he probably was beating her behind......she’s way too passive
3 likes69adrummer a weak woman......smh
1 likeatombrain figuratively dodged a bullet.
0 likes...or how lucky that guy got being born white in America.
0 likes@R No.
0 likes@javagirl69 She needs to thank her lucky stars
0 likesshe didnt marry him!
@Scott Alderson really?? 🙏 RIP
0 likes@Pink and Black Girl I don't think she's a simpleton (she's a nurse for one thing); I can image her being a codependent, though, trying to fix Dunne.
3 likesR He was declared “broke” at the trial. And murder cases like these will put even rich celebrities in the poorhouse, let alone an average guy like this. The legal counsel on this type of case is an enormous expense and typically guys like this will liquidate their assets (often including land and property) to put up the money to hire quality representation.
1 likeShe's gotta be racked with guilt though from suggesting they stop at the gas station. Like, obviously she had no idea that would happen, but "what if" you know?
2 likesScott Alderson did she really?
0 likesShe knew he was a racist she chose to be with him, I’m sure they wasn’t his first incident
1 like@Women Rock! shows she was scared of him.
0 likesI thought the very same thing... Probably saved her life.
0 likes@Regina Rutledge
0 likesActually Scott Alderson is wrong.......it was the dog that committed suicide.
She seems really sweet
2 likesShe knows it too.
0 likesRum and Coke...never cool.
@jmaedl027 jmaedl bruh she bought a bottle of wine that's like 4 glasses max. Shes a nice lady.
1 like@Scott Alderson yea right
0 likesSilver linings
0 likes@Women Rock! At that time she didnt know he killed someone, I think. Plus she was scared of him probably.
0 likespoor rhonda could have been playing out the patriarchal relationship she had growing up, she may have worshipped a trash father as a girl and recreated that by agreeing to marry dunn, a racist coward who wanted to kill.
2 likesThat's why she was shaking all the time in the trial- God how lucky I am
0 likes@R if she married him before the trial she wouldn’t be able to testify. I think that’s why she didn’t do it
1 likeIt's also good because she wouldn't have been able to testify against him.
2 likesShe is blessed. Dunn reminds me of someone that would have no problem smacking his wife around if he got pissed at her.
4 likesAin't that the truth.
0 likesнормальный он мужик
0 likesHonestly
0 likesLiterally my thoughts.
0 likesShe coulda left him at any time, or not??
0 likesCame here to say the exact same thing.
0 likes@Scott Alderson 🧢
0 likes@TheUpwardbound1 my first thought when she started to talk about all this is she been beaten down by him, physically or mentally. Its not hard to see when its happened to you. Its really easy to spot.
2 likesThe silent part however is how hip hop destroys black lives in myriad of ways.
0 likesBut the real story is how a 17 year old lost his life to a crazy ass man with a gun. He could of had a future
0 likesShe did the right thing by telling the truth, but that dudes behavior doesnt come out of no where. There must've been warning signs.
0 likes@TheUpwardbound1 a good predator always knows his prey!!
0 likes@Claire Rayson yeah. She's the real victim here. Forget about the murdered black people. Love you American feminists.
0 likesDunn is DONE.
0 likes@ShelbisTheShloth As they are no longer engaged, YES they did break it off, just not before that video was taken.
0 likes@kaycosette I said it didn't convey cause the tag wasn't there
0 likesYeah. She really dodged a bullet he probably would have tried to kill her if he just shoots for no reason
0 likesThat lady was with this monster for over four years.
0 likesNo kidding. I appreciate her testimony and hope she's happy and realises how brave and lucky she is.
0 likesGuys, this just shows why you don't get married. She'll throw you under the bus. And then a bunch of women on youtube will agree with her.
0 likes"You weren't there."
0 likes"You were not there."
"That is incorrect."
🤣
Bro listening to the beginning of that phone call at 1 AM is so scary
0 likesI wonder, had Rhonda decided to cover for him by lying on the stand and to cops, but the cops got to the truth anyway which I’m sure they wouldve. Would they have charged her with something? I really don’t know anything about this kind of stuff
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Were she to lie and the police could prove it, she'd likely be charged for a crime, yes. Lying under oath, obstruction of justice, something like that. It's a crime to lie during a police interview or during a court testimony.
1 likethe only time you should ever answer questions is at trial, if you even if you want to take the stand
0 likesIt’s crazy how this mans brain concocted this situation in his head to rationalize his actions towards a group of kids. Not only is his ego too large to accept that it was him that created this situation, but it also couldn’t let him feel remorse for the kids in the situation. They will never be more than thugs and therefore they can only be a threat and aren’t worth sympathy. He wasn’t worried cause he genuinely thought that he did NOTHING wrong.
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I agree with you he didn’t see any value with in those kids and couldn’t imagine someone caring if one was killed
23 likesYeah,u pretty much nailed it
2 likes✊🏿🤜🏾🤛🏻✊🏽
It’s terrifying that there is a lot of people like this out there
5 likesOn another note I thought the word concocted was obsolete, Thanks for bringing it back to my memory, lol.
2 likesI'm black-and I know thugs ,these are no thugs, those are high school and college kids.. But the perpetrator is definitely a Thug.
14 likes@Love Givens lol you’re welcome
1 likeRACIAL PROFILING 💔💔💔💔
4 likesRacism is mental illness. Everybody is a million times worse than they appear to them.
7 likes@Derrick Stinoski nope. Racism is a choice. Choosing to be uneducated and plain hateful.
5 likesDehumanize someone or a group and you don't treat them as human.
2 likesNah he knew what he did- was just in guilty denial trying to get his defence straight in his head. But yea a good lesson for kids in a country where anyone can be holding at any time
1 like@Love Givens "On another note I thought the word concocted was obsolete..." 😂 I'm not sure why I found your comment as hysterically funny as I did...but I did. Thanks I needed a laugh after this video...
1 likeBTW If you hung around my house when I was a teen you would have heard that word more than a few times coming from my mom, usually towards me and my brother or friends "I don't know what story you guys concocted now but..." tee hee
@susan ivy 🤭lol
0 likesPlus, I would like to say to Miss Rhonda, you're a GOOD woman. He just knew that you were going to lie for him? Boy, he didn't know you very well? So, Miss Rhonda, don't let this BUM interfere with the rest of your life. You'll find the perfect man for you.
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Oh don't bet on it. She knew she could get in deep trouble herself as an accessory after the fact if she gave perjured evidence. You can bet on altruism, I'll go with self-interest.
0 likesAbsolutely ZERO remorse or concern for the vic
0 likesRest in peace Jordan
2 likesDang I'm 70, those were kids, shooting kids for loud music hope they never let him out. I'm a believer of owning guns. But dang anyone misues them should never get out of jail.
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100% agree with you friend! Some gun owners want to play "action hero" when, really, without the gun, they would never have sought confrontation.
0 likesI feel terrible for his fiancé . She told the truth knowing it was destroying his argument but did it through crying eyes anyways
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I think she was also disgusted and maybe had a hard time accepting that someone she almost married was capable of something so horrific.
4 likesThugs come in all sizes and colors.
1 likeAnother monster giving gun owners a bad name.
I can’t stop watching at around 46:55 😂🤣
0 likesYeah I can see how someone can threaten your life and one react, but he left and didn’t call the police to report any of this. He figured “phew I just prevented myself from getting murdered, let me go on about my life like it didn’t happen”.
3 likesamerican justice: "plllllls dont get a lawyer or you will get free"
0 likesThis channel should be called "Never Talk to the Police Without an Attorney"
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194 likesLol exactly
193 likesseriously, it's nuts. And I'm sure more than a few people watching this WILL commit crimes in their life that put them in this situation, and they'll know exactly what not to do. It's interesting to think about.
792 likesBest advice I've ever seen given.
152 likesThat's what the name means lol
9 likesPeople think they can talk their way out of being charged and walk out. They dig that hole deep. Dumb.
382 likes@Daniel Naranjo Fr!
2 likesI’m glad! He got what he deserved which was to spend the rest of his life in jail.
236 likesLots of people think the police will assume guilt if you lawyer up, so they think if they talk without a lawyer itll present an innocence.... but the police bank on that . Props to these detectives.
200 likesmoonasha they’ll likely still talk to the police anyways. Part of the reason this stuff works is because the criminal wants to seem like the good guy. They want to convince the police that they’re wrong. It’d do them much better to shut up. It’s easy to talk theory until ours the one in the hot seat.
80 likesRight?! lol
1 likeLawyer Up.
30 likesShh...
4 likesBut then we’d have no videos :(
47 likes@noctis nox what do you mean enciting people to commit crime? They already committed the crime?
12 likesDont talk to the police without an attorney... unless you are an actual criminal
53 likesTahkeem Hilton2.0 I don’t think she overreacted at all in fact she did the right thing
79 likesIn the UK you CANNOT be interrogated without a legal representative in the room ...
66 likesWatching all the American footage contained on youtube is strange to see ...
@Martyn Stembridge never watched "24 hours in police custody"? They get people to talk all the time without a lawyer
35 likes@Martyn Stembridge they are not being interrogated they are mostly in there for voluntary interviews and either think they can out smart the detectives or too dumb to ask for a lawyer.
55 likes@moonasha hopefully you'll try not to
3 likes@ZuluGaming Yeah, good point.
2 likesThat is most people it’s insane never talk innocent or guilty the only thing to say is lawyer
28 likesUnless you're this guy
5 likesIf you’re guilty or innocent, always always ALWAYS ask for an attorney and say nothing!!!
50 likes@Comfy Frog yep Martin is wrong.
1 likeCalvin what do you mean that’s what the name means? “Jim Can’t Swim” is analogy for someone being out of their depth in an interrogation? Do you have evidence for this revelation or is that just your interpretation? Either way I’m into it.
12 likes@noctis nox That comment speaks more to your character than anyone else... You seriously feel like committing a crime after watching these?
6 likeslmfao XD yeess
1 likeI keep wondering why they do, but I guess they were stupid to begin with and for ending up in their predicament.
3 likesBryant Hall it should be called “look at all the shitty people in jail because they weren’t smart enough to get a lawyer”
9 likesWhen I was looking at 91 to life the investigators twisted my words around. During trial the D.A. Even the judge you could see the lies continued but still they pressed on hoping to win on lies! I won my case, she got to walk free.
11 likesLostInPA Chris watts thought he was so slick he could fool a lie detector and then get away with lying about lying. No limit to a narcissist’s stupidity.
13 likesBryant Hall 100%! The guy is a software engineer, you’d think he would be a little smarter than that!
7 likes@moonasha It's a shame that it tends to be people with low intelligence or have a physiological conditions that end up getting taken advantage of because they don't realise.
3 likesWell but it’s good that he didn’t!
3 likesIt's so weird to me that this is what you got from this one? Like with an attorney right away chances are this guy would have gotten away with murdering a 17 year old boy... I'm glad this idiot didn't think to call one.
23 likesEspecially if you’re prince Andrew
10 likesBryant Hall god that’s a great comment. Completely true too lol.
1 likeYup, if you’re innocent you have nothing to worry about. If your guilty, only the evidence will dig your grave. A child rapist stayed quite but tried tucking his hands in his sleeves and arms because they identified him through his hands in a video he made.
7 likesBy the time you are sitting in front of the police, they already know you did it, they just want the icing on the cake. When you are sitting there, knowing they got you, it human nature to try and at least spin the circumstances. I cant figure out why this is the case, but I see it all the time. RE: The Norfolk 5, all confessed to the murder, and none of them actually did it.
2 likesThe first move, is to fail a fake polygraph.
He has a video on that on patreon. There are circumstances where requesting an attorney during police questioning leads to further suspicion and possibly them focusing the investigation on you
3 likes@Robert D Thanks for the info Robbie.
2 likesExactly right. Each person that talks has it used against them. I know how easy it can be to take one statement and twist it to attack another one.
5 likesIn this case, even if he didnt talk to the police, his gf and his actions after the fact would've still convicted him..
15 likesever
0 likes@Kornelija EarthlingIt's hard to believe, but Dunn's first trial was a mistrial on the first degree murder charge because the jury couldn't come to an agreement (they had an easier time with the three counts of attempted murder) despite the overwhelming evidence. The lawyer did a good enough job laying on the 'stand your ground' rhetoric to sow doubt. Lawyers can be instrumental in getting both innocent and guilty people off the hook. And these things can be close shaves.
5 likes@mta don't forget, in schools the "whoever smelled it, dealt it" law still applies.
2 likes😂
0 likesYou should add: "Especially If You Are Guilty".
1 like@Calvin how does Jim can't swim mean that?
2 likesJason Liggett ^
0 likesQuestion Everything ^
1 likeBro he murdered in cold blood on camera. It wouldnt matter what he did or didn't say.
2 likesLmao 🤣. For real....
0 likes🙌🏼 YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO REMAIN SILENT🙌🏼
3 likesIf only these people would just exercise their right and stfu!!!
Bryant Hall you know that’s a damn statement to make right😏
1 likeSeriously!!!🤣🤣🤣🤣 or be called “What not to do”
2 likesnoctis nox loud music is equal to a use the force where you end up taking a life?? Uhm nahhh this episode should be called “ man wants a fight thinks he is the big gun ( pun intended) on the street wanted any excuse to use the gun” this dude is ridiculous!
2 likes@Martyn Stembridge Since when? I've seen many videos of suspects in the UK being questioned without a lawyer. To be fair though, those UK suspects are smart enough to keep their mouth shut most of the time. Literally... the cops will keep asking questions & the suspect will just sit through it without ever answering, or they'll just say "no comment".
2 likesThe dude was stupid enough to open fire on a 17 year old kid over MUSIC, but it's the fact he talks to police that get you ticked off? Got it. Fact is, people talk all the time, especially those who think they can get off or know they are about to be arrested and fear and irrational behavior takes over. Just human nature.....
4 likesBryant Hall Jim, can you swim? -sir, I’m going to need an attorney
0 likesThat's the same thing I was thinking
0 likes@LostInPA - Dad Enduro IF someone is dead, shut up and lawyer up, especially if your innocent.
3 likes@noctis nox ... they played the "I dare you to kill me" game and lost.
3 likes.......if you're guilty. Finish the sentence.
0 likesBetter call Saul.
5 likesThis comment is single-handedly the sole reason I hit "subscribe" 😆😆😆
0 likesEven an attorney can't produce a shotgun that doesn't exist. It would not have made a difference!!!
1 likeIndeed. However I think it was for the best in this case that Dunn didn't as all he did was incriminate himself more, the detectives let his own arrogance and ignorance play against him and dig his own grave.
4 likesmoonasha 🙃
0 likesFor real
0 likes@ZuluGaming That is the definition of interrogation. They call it "voluntary interview" to make it sound casual and put you at ease with your guard down. The interrogation starts the minute they ask to speak to you, whether its on your doorstep or in their tiny room. Get a lawyer.
5 likes@Andre Roman Had nothing to do with his intelligence. He genuinely felt he did nothing wrong. Speaks more to his character
3 likesThe sad part about that statement is it's so true. While this was an open-and-shut type of case there are situations out there where a naive sometimes it is sent person will talk to the police and the cops will bend their words either way to make them look guilty when they in truth are not and all they had to do was get a lawyer
2 likesBryant Hall However in his case it wouldn’t have made a difference because the scene, his demeanor and witnesses (one of which was his wife) spoke loud and clear
2 likesFortunately his Narcissism and sense of Entitlement wouldn't allow him to believe he needed an attorney 😏
5 likesNEVER TALK TO COPS WITHOUT A LAWYER EVEN IF YOUR INNOCENT! -Attorney of Law
9 likesThey can and will use anything against you even if your innocent. You tell a story a little different, catch you in a lie, give info that can implicate you even in the slightest (even if innocent).
he done
0 likesPink and Black Girl I think that person miss typed? I thought it sounded weird too, I think they ment. Entice people into telling on them selves. And then whatch the legal system..........etc? Idk ha ha
0 likes@Tahkeem Hilton2.0 Or dont kill innocent kids????
1 likebless you
0 likesYes! 💯
0 likesBryant Hall “LAWYER UP” 😅
1 like@Martyn StembridgeWow that is so nice. It is really unimaginable over here. That you would automatically be given a lawyer. Yet here we are (The USA) thinking we are the country with the most freedom and the most rights. We do actually have a lot of written rights I guess it is just that they are often not respected by law enforcrment and the government.
0 likesSeriously, after all these Netflix documentaries and youtube videos, I won't trust cops for shit. The only words out of my mouth is lawyer, and am I under arrest?
1 likeWhats scary is how many of these scum bags woulda got away with it had they had an attorney
2 likesAmen
0 likesOr don't pull out your gun unless it is legally justified, to literally save a life. Otherwise you are the criminal.
2 likes@Tahkeem Hilton_2.0 just "never commit a crime." If it is rightful self defense, it is not a crime. This was murder, not self defense.
2 likes@Question Everything 8
0 likesGuilty people often don’t want an attorney because they believe it will make them look more guilty. If you’re not in the wrong telling the truth should be enough.
0 likesseriously. everyone cooks themselves.
0 likesIf you're guilty ;)
1 likeI know it’s not funny but I laughed out loud when I read your comment. I’m so glad that those who were guilty DID, however. In this case ESPECIALLY - poor baby kid. Heartbreaking. It’s now 2020 and I’m watching this with tears in my eyes. #BLM
0 likesBryant Hall This interview should be called “don’t slaughter people for no reason.”
0 likesThats the point, isnt it, She is gonna leave him, there is no way you can continue to be with someone thats so deep in denial and hasnt lost any arrogance at all .
0 likesHahaha
0 likesActually, that's damn accurate. I learned it firsthand when was falsely accused of a crime several years ago. I had nothing to hide, was not guilty of the crime and had four witnesses who also knew of my innocence and knew it was a bullshit accusation by someone due to revenge because I had rejected them. So I figured why not talk to police. Nothing to hide. Well, the police don't care about innocence. They are looking for a collar and to build a strong case for conviction regardless of any evidence or lack thereof. The officers report on me -- as was revealed in court -- was full of errors and assumptions and mistakes, including not one of the witnesses talked to! They even got my physical description and name wrong. They had a conviction in mind and were indifferent to the facts. Thank goodness my attorney -- which cost me $9,000 -- knew all too well the tactics of cops and also managed to get the accuser's admission that she had lied to police. That attorney's wife was a former police officer. That experience forever changed my blind trust in police. Not to mention the whole system. And rest assured if ever the police ask me to talk to them again, I'll not say a word without an attorney present. It sucks because guilty scumbags are perceived to be the only ones who "lawyer up" whereas in reality the lawyering up is protection from false prosecution due to overzealous police officers indifferent to the evidence.
3 likesTrue NCS No Comment Statement
0 likes@AK Man So stupid to give them any narrative to twist let them convince a jury don't help
0 likesHe seriously believes he was in the right and nothing to hide thats why he did that.
1 likeThis channel should be called "Never Talk to the Police Without an Attorney * Even if you are totally innocent of any involvement whatsoever.
2 likesYet people think the cops are always the "bad guys" when actually they're trying to get the truth before the defence warp it their way.
1 likeFacts! I can't believe how many people talk themselves right into charges. It makes the cops job way too easy. If they're good cops/investigators and there's enough evidence, they'll get a conviction whether you have a lawyer or not. The funny thing is, most of these guys that talk themselves into charges could've easily got a lot less time if charged at all had they just had a lawyer during questioning. At the very least they'd have less severe or lower level charges. Had I know what I know now back when I used to get in trouble, I would've had a field day with police. Of course I've also never done anything bad enough to require intense questioning like these guys go through.
0 likesBut there's definitely an altered prescription charge I could've easily gotten away with had I just kept my mouth shut. It also would've saved me from spending 2 years in jail. 🤣
Oh well, you live and learn. Haven't gotten in trouble since 2012 and don't intend to anytime in the future. Got too much going on now to be fucking up.
It should be call don't unjustifiably kill people and you want go for life. JS
0 likesOr don't, if you're guilty. It'll make the jury's and court's life a lot easier 😆
0 likesThey are very clever. They invite you in for a "chat". You're not under arrest to begin with so a lawyer would make you look suspicious. Great tactic
2 likes*unless you are guilty 🤗
0 likesKFI?
0 likesBlm
0 likesyou are right XD
0 likesJust amazing to me!
0 likesBryant Hall especially after a shooting.... What was he thinking?
0 likes@Martyn Stembridge that means in the UK he could have gotten off. I dislike that.
0 likesOr just a normal human female, but yeah bro you almost there
0 likesWeese Bowski similar thing happened when I was looking at 1.75k years to life.
0 likesbetter call saul!
0 likesWhy do these guys not stay quiet tho? How can people be so stupid
0 likesJeremy Caulk Lol, good one. Hahaha
0 likes@Melanie Facts
0 likesI've never even gotten a ticket but from what I know from this show, lawyer up immediately.
2 likesI suppose not shooting up random cars couldn't be the answer. How about avoid police contact and confrontations with strangers. Note to self, dont shoot up a teens car bc I dont like the music, duh!!!
0 likes"Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law"
2 likesNot once does it say
"Anything you say can and will be used TO HELP you in a court of law"
Everyone should remember that sentence, never ever talk to the police, innocent or not. they dont say "anything you say can and will be used to help you in the court of law", its always to your disadvantage.
3 likesIam glad this guy did
0 likesSeriously ... Blows my mind. I've never been in trouble with the law other than a few driving tickets when I was younger ... Even I know you don't say a thing to a police officer other than yes sir, no sir and I want my attorney ... Thought that was basic common knowledge ... I mean, the cops even remind you by reading you your Miranda rights before they start interrogating.
1 likeMore like "Don't be crazy". These people were guilty and it's a good thing they got justice. None of these are examples of "Never talk to the police without an attorney".
2 likesCause if you commit murder and homicide if you hired a lawyer before interrogation then you're consider guilty.
0 likesNot really. It's a good thing he talked to the police without an attorney it made the case much easier for the jury and judge.
0 likesan attorney worth his retainer will always tell you to..........KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT!!
0 likesRight!! Kept thinking that when he was telling his story. 🤦🏼♀️🤦🏼♀️🤦🏼♀️ Glad Justice was served though even though it’s not enough. My heart breaks for the parents.
0 likesNo! Should be called, don't do this Shit?
0 likesI agree. However, in this case ( and many others) im so happy they did....cos asking for a lawyer would probably have got him off....and who needs another gun toting racist walking around????
0 likes@moonasha even then id say your wrong because current cases prove criminals and the innocent are still ignorant.
0 likesRight!!!😂
0 likesAnd 'don't murder people'
0 likesthe first 48 taught me that in '04 always lawyer up, even if your innocent
0 likesyou should add: "when you did something dreadful like killing someone"
0 likesIt depends. Convictions need not be derived from the Defendant's mouth. Indisputable facts are hard to fight. He knew it and decided lie to save his skin. Typical traits of killers like him.
0 likesGood title. Maybe with a substitute name of ("NEVER SUBMIT TO A POLYGRAPH...EVER!").
1 likeThat’s it!!! These cops are crafty mofos...
0 likesBryant Hall or just “plead the fifth”
0 likesBryant Hall ABSOLUTELY 👍
0 likes@Kelly Lynch
2 likesSure they are. They have been trained how to get a confession, no matter the cost. That's why you keep saying "Lawyer". And why you should NEVER take a polygraph test! Even if you pass it, they will say you failed.
I tell people all the time If they as if you'd take it, ask one simple question. "Are they admissible in court?". The answer is "No". Because, they're not. Because, they are unreliable.
When they tell you "No", then your reply should be, "Well, there's no reason to take it then,"
And, keep saying LAWYER!
Thank you
0 likesI’m yelling at my phone about that hahah
0 likesI was born in Alabama in the 50s rase in ga all my life. I,m 63 year old white man. I still remember what is was like being a young 17 years old teenage. That young kid was killed for no reason at all .loud music. He should have gotten the death penalty. God rest your soul young man. That's so sad murderd because he was black and loud music
0 likesIf he never spoke the police he might night have been convicted of murder. The contradiction between the interview and trial are too different. Your memory does not get better 14 months later. Game over dude.
1 like@Martyn Stembridge OMG yes you can, I'm from UK n believe me they ask if u want to speak to solicitor they get one on 4n n if u want them in your interview u tell them u want them there or u can say no n you get interviewed without 1 so I don't no where your getting this "they have to interview u with solicitor present" that's just so not true my friend never has been. Just I would think most ppl in UK would be bright enough to "no comment" in a interview. But saying that maybe not lol
0 likes@Comfy Frog they can interview without solicitor he doesn't know what he talking about
1 like@James the Bear couldn't agree more
0 likes@Nicolishoss really? Thanks for the reply
0 likesI was always a good kid, but my mom told me from a young age to never speak to the police. If I was young and got arrested I was to demand my mom, and as an adult you demand a lawyer. My mom told me that when the police bring you in they will mess with you, and they are never your friend in that situation. These people are so arrogant they think they can outsmart the police.
0 likesOr ya know just... don’t randomly kill people and then you won’t need one?
0 likesYeap
0 likesAlex Garcia mendoza lo
0 likes😂😂😂😂😂
0 likesThe truth came out when the attorney was not there otherwise the attorney would shut him up by taking a fifth.
1 likeI'm glad the people who are guilty don't ask for an attorney so I agree and disagree
0 likesHe was expecting the white privilege to help him since they were black
0 likesPvMstevo even if you are an actual criminal you should use a lawyer tf
1 likeFor a normal person that's a good idea. wise counsel can help you express the facts clearly and concisely and have your right respected.
0 likesBut these liars cant do that because they are trying to avoid suspicion not jump right in. counsel helps everyone in this scenario. But a liar murderer will want to avoid all that so they will instead try to lie on their own
@Duble Owe and how not to be a murderer
0 likesBegon Genesis lol ya know
1 like👍🏻
0 likesI mean, people like this guy should continue to talk to cops on their own.
0 likesI was thinking the same thing 😂
0 likesHow about dont commit murder
1 likeOr it could be called "being a POS doesnt pay"
0 likes@The Nicholas seriously, really makes you wonder about the commenter and all those that agreed with him pretty disgusting thing to say
0 likes@Kornelija Earthling Why do you think he would have gotten away with murder? There was at least seven witnesses, and bullet casings that matched his gun. This isn't a cartoon, nobody gets away with that in this country except maybe the police due to qualified immunity
0 likes@moonasha ehm I wouldn't be so sure, basically everyone under the law is a crimanal, the legal system is just a huge "jungle", yeah the law is there, but the thing is that nobody knows it (and no, letting it be readable to anyone doesn't solve the issue, as I said before the legal system is a huge jungle, and even the syntax itself is usessly complicated (it is made on purpose)) but even so it is still applied, you cannot just say "oh I didn't know", if the laws weren't not a damm wasteyard, well.. most likely we shouldn't have to borrow an avocate at all
0 likesBut the thing is that in most cases you do need to find someone that is willing to pay to let let those laws to be applied aganist you, and crimes are not just things like drugs, murder, and etx
@AK Man To be fair I think only psychopaths think like that. A normal person in this position would know straight away they were in deep doggy do, and either confess all straight away, or lawyer up. Most of the people in these videos have a superiority complex and genuinely believe they can talk their way out of it.
0 likesThen that would have been another story of a white man getting away with the murder of another innocent black person. So it was very fortunate that he did agree to speak without an attorney. This guy is a joke. He gives “his” version of the event, contradicting himself over and over, then when things get real he ask’s, DO I NEED A LAWYER? NO U NEED JESUS. I honestly feel like this guy wouldn’t even have had the balls to comment murder had he been sober. That liquid courage is the worse. He thought they’d believe his story and he’d be free to go. WHAT A DAMN FOOL, SMH.
0 likesYou aint lying!!! Lol
0 likes@moonasha like me
0 likesjk
If they’re dumb enough to do the crime they’re definitely nt smart enough to outsmart the boys in blue
0 likes@Martyn Stembridge era yes you can.
0 likesis this comment on every video???
1 like@Brett H yes
0 likesIt should be called "People who talk to police without an attorney".
0 likesExactly,,,, not taking up for him,,,,, but I wonder did he tell her they had a gun and maybe she just didn’t remember,,,,, she seems kind of goofy to me like she is afraid of everything,,,,
0 likesor better yet "don't murder someone for fuck's sake"
0 likes*"If you are guilty", be like the lady and talk to police if you are innocent.
0 likesHis girlfriend went in for two minutes to the shop and he couldn't bear the music for two minutes.. He was so afraid of these guys in a country where everyone can hold a gun, that he dares to complain about their music. This guy is stupid, they could've beaten him up without even owning a gun, even if they were white people. Who the hell he thinks he is to complain about the music in other people's car.
0 likes@U D I'm sorry, but she was really overdoing it on the witness stand. Especially in the beginning part of this video.
0 likesNever say anything to the police with out a lawyer. Anything you say will be used against you.
0 likesHonestly the people who live in fear of the police dont truly understand the way they work.
0 likesThe more you know the police the less likely they are a threat and the more likely they are to become an allie.
"Jim can't speak without an attorney."
0 likesOr never murder people that are cursing you out and then you don’t need to talk to police or a lawyer.
0 likes@Stephen Ireland well true. I domt think thats what he meant tho.
0 likesIf your pulled into this situation and you never killed anyone yet your accused. The police can use thease tricks to make you say you killed them yet you didnt.
Its how some people are wrongly accused to this day. Some will die in prison even tho they never commited the crime.
Or never kill anyone
0 likesWait WTF no it’s a GOOD thing that criminals don’t get attorneys that’s how they get CAUGHT
0 likes@Simone Kocijan What if there is a case were he isnt a criminal?
0 likesWhat if your pulled in because of actual self defense yet your sentenced for life because you defended yourself.
Pretty much, this interview is the most solid evidence they have, and it's straight from the defendant.
0 likesThe conversation between parties cannot really be verified.
Witness 7 is crucial as well.
EVVVVER!
0 likesLiterally told my brother yesterday that if this channel teaches me anything it’s this... if I’m ever put in an interrogation room then immediately request council and “Shut the fuck up”
0 likesShe told the truth which is good
0 likesAs glad as we are that he didn’t talk with an attorney because he really deserved his verdict,it still is pretty bold for him to not talk with an attorney smh
0 likes😅😅
0 likesBetter call Saul!
0 likes@moonasha This is why the investigators at first treat the suspect like a witness, and are friendly, and pretending to be on the suspect's side. So when the suspects later realize that they are actually being interrogated, it's already too late.
1 likeUnless your innocent 😁
0 likesNever talk to the police without your attorney present.
1 likeIf your attorney is present, let them do the talking
Fook right
0 likes@Gary Geiser I wish I had watched a video like this/ had somehow known what I didn't know. A factor of great relevance for me at the time, as to why I held trust in the police, is because I have known many of them, as a result of my parents and family members, some of whom are cops. Anyway, thanks for the link to this video. Going to have my adult sons and teenage son watch this
0 likesIt should be called don't open fire on innocent teens sitting in parking lots
0 likes@Kornelija Earthling I don't think he would have gotten away but he would have not have gotten life without parole
0 likesAs a happy alternative let’s not kill people 🤪
1 likeOMG! YES ! I have a son who is an atty, a son who was Chief of police of a very large city, a son in law policeman.......THEY ALL SAY.......don't talk to police,
0 likesCall an atty, call an atty, call an atty.......🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️
@Kev Dean of course it would. If he kept his mouth shut from the beginning chances are prosecutors would have a much weaker case.
0 likes@Lee EightiesBaby that’s a bit over the top don’t you think? I put it down to stupidity & naivety.
0 likes@KeyserSoze26B Attorney-at-law
0 likes@Ultra Vires burden of proof is on the prosecution so your wrong with that statement
0 likes@Mark Yeah nope that’s not true
0 likes@Javito how do you figure? I think he was just dumb
0 likes@Benjamin Grezik it’s quite simple, just confirm your name & reply no comment to all of the questions.
0 likesI just wrote all I learn from these videos is shut up and ask for a lawyer. People are dumb.
0 likesLmaooo
0 likesExcept for criminals...feel free to speak
0 likesPeeps be digging themselves graves over here
0 likesBetter call saul!
0 likesOr... don’t commit a crime?
0 likesNever talk to police. Full stop.
0 likesActually if your innocent you do have something to worry about. Do you actually believe only guilty people have been convicted?? That’s quite naive
0 likesExactly what I was thinking 😱
0 likeswell how about the LEGENDARY JEFF.
0 likeslol thats one thing i've learned so far
0 likesSeems like this whole comment thread thinks the detectives and police force are all evil manipulating scum when they just doing there job lmfao. The guy was guilty, killed a boy and everyone like “he should of got an attorney”
0 likesAlso don’t kill people
0 likesRofl.
0 likesOnly fools don't get that concept.
0 likesAlso, "When your attorney tells you not to testify in your own defense, listen to him." "Clear and Present Danger" lol, what an arrogant narcissist. He not only thinks thinks he is in a movie, he thinks he is Harrison Ford.
0 likes@moonasha u get to see the methods and psychology behind these interrogations and how they get you into a corner. It’s really interesting
0 likesTHIS!!!!!! I am dumbfounded at how all of these people willingly spill their guts to the detectives. Absolutely not! Even if you truly believe you did nothing wrong, and maybe you didn’t, but get a lawyer first.
0 likesFAXTS
0 likesEven if your 100% innocent
0 likesOr how about, don't shoot at people for no reason??
0 likesI would have to agree with that. So many incidents (not all) are based on perception. Attorneys are good at "framing" perception.
1 likeEspecially in an actual self defense case. You can easily incriminate yourself and become wrongfully imprisoned. This guy wasn't defending himself though.
0 likesWhatever you say will be use against you in a court of law even if you are innocent. So in my opinion always lawyer up 🤷🏽♀️
0 likesWhat was he embarrassed to say at the start of the interrogation?
0 likesSomething is off with him - besides being a racist entitled narcissist.
0 likesHis monotone speech and peculiar tone and body language was weird. He doesn’t seem very “present”.
Seems like a sociopath to me.
“you guys are seeing this as murder” YES BECAUSE YOU MURDERED SOMEONE
0 likes"..and I'm like.."live and let live"..." then proceeds to blindly fire into a full vehicle, setting off one barrage of shots, then repositioning and firing again, against unarmed, fleeing kids. so full of sht and nobody buys the nice guy routine for a second
0 likesIt gives me chills to hear him say “hopefully the kid who was running his mouth is the one that is dead.”
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If that gives you chills you'd lose your mind hearing how how gangsters talk about their murders they've committed against each other. Some people are just a little crazier than others. But this behavior is nothing new. Go hangout in the rough parts of Chicago for a weekend. It's scary. There's a world out there that you know nothing about and would shock you
82 likes@rodgazinya chill, dude. Just because OP isn't as jaded as you, doesn't mean they don't know that there are crazy people out there.
543 likes@rodgazinya that’s a bit dehumanizing.
251 likes@rodgazinya we do not care
227 likes@rodgazinya oh please yes. enlighten us. we totally wanna hear your life story which is harder than anyone else who's ever existed. can we get you a cookie and a security blanket while you regale us with your traumatizing experience?
265 likesThat statement just shows that he didn’t see Jordan with a gun or weapon. Dunn did this because HE felt disrespected. Can you imagine what he was like as a father? His kid would probably get backhanded for just rolling his eyes.
97 likes@rodgazinya It’s true, there are many, many messed up people in this world who are a waste of space.
13 likesHe said hit or shot.
0 likes@rodgazinya alright hard man
20 likes@rodgazinya where’s the correlation to the original comment 💀💀
28 likes@rodgazinya speak up cool guy
14 likeslol
0 likesHonestly though! Like none of them should be dead… a kids life was lost. How tf can you say that
10 likesRodgazinva got so put in their place they vanished from the discussion. ☺️ like a coward! Stick to what you say or don’t say it. At the very least admit when you’re being an edgelord
16 likes@rodgazinya lmao u r being clowned
18 likes@Dont Stalk me How so? Everything he said was factual, there is nothing to add. Just cause you're pissy about your Twitter world being fake doesn't mean he has to respond.
6 likes@rodgazinya who asked
8 likes@rodgazinya what does that have to do with this video and what Michael Dunn did ?
12 likes@rodgazinya everyone hating on you but I agree. This girl has no clue
2 likes@rodgazinya You typed all that, just to say nothing. Clownery
12 likes@rodgazinya Gotcha, I will head straight up to the rough parts of Chicago so I can become desensitized and talk down to people who see murder as appalling 👍
16 likes@auzziernvdl reminds me of the 911 dude who was mad that the girl who was calling cursed at him. Her friend was literally shot and dying and he said “you know what you can go handle that.” She was only a teenager
2 likes@rodgazinya that was kind of a weird comment bro lol
3 likesRight!! That’s really horrible
0 likesDidn't he say, "Hopefully the one who [he claimed] was pulling a gun?"
1 likeNot that it really matters... I just think it's important to be accurate and honest even in trivial matters, and I thought that's what he'd said.
He never said that.
0 likes@Gael O’Connor 😅
0 likes@rodgazinya badass over here hahaha/s
3 likes@thebrawlerspub can't have the security blanket cause Michael Rafferty's using it
2 likesWhaaaat I didn’t even make it that far into the interview…. That is crazy. All I know is his wife better not step outta line since he so trigger happy. 🤦🏼♀️
1 like@A. Sutherland hahaha oh man that's fucked up XDDD
0 likesLast time I checked talking shit isn’t a crime, let alone a capitol offense.
2 likes@rodgazinya were holding software engineers to the same moral standards as gangsters now?
1 likeOh yea this guy is as racist as it get. And he tells himself and other people that he is not racist.
1 like@rodgazinya this guy is probably saying to his "gangster" friends that he grew up on the strets when in reality he grew up in a suburban house with his family and had everything given to him 🤡🤡
0 likes@A D okay redditor
0 likes@rodgazinya oooo so hard
0 likes@auzziernvdl ur right but i think there’s a bit of a difference between how he was as a father and how he reacted to the victims. he said he hated “the thug music” which leads me to think he only did this because of their race, and since he felt disrespected by them talking back and the fact that they were black he acted that way.
0 likesHe also said he thought they were adults
0 likesYes it turned me on too. Chills. Shivers. Goosebumps.
0 likes@❤︎Stxrstruck❤︎ what case is that bro? I wanna hear that call, sounds interesting.
0 likesNot really
0 likesnext time the man says turn it down he means it
1 like@Frances Wilson 3 people against 1 and they're swearing at him? I'd consider myself in danger too, regardless of their age or complexion.
0 likes@rodgazinya nobody asked or mentioned gangsters
0 likes@rodgazinya tell me you are racist without telling me you are racist
0 likes@rodgazinya and the reason they talk about it like that is due to desensitization and PTSD. Sure you don’t hear PTSD being talked about much in the hood, and the reasons for that are a different conversation altogether, but it’s something most gangbangers go through, as well as extensive desensitization from growing up around death/murder. Because at the end of the day, each gangbanger is a regular person just like everyone else, with the same complex emotions and needs. However they end up as a product of their environment, and the way they talk about it (murder) is partially a coping mechanism. If you dehumanize your enemy you won’t have mental or emotional issues when they die. The US military has done this in boot camp & training for centuries, especially during wartime. It’s easier to get thousands of soldiers to pull the trigger, and keep pulling the trigger if they don’t view the target down range as human. And if they don’t view the target as human and view it as almost inanimate, then when they do put a target down, they won’t have any emotional or mental issues to deal with, and can continue to the next target seamlessly. Then when the battle is over and the soldier gets time to breath and reboot, the only thing he’ll think of is “2 targets down, and me and the boys are still alive” instead of “I just took the life of someone just like me, a father/son/brother was just lost by my hands, an entire life just like mine ended, parents/children/siblings/wife just lost a family member, etc”. and having a mental and emotional breakdown.
0 likesThey talk about it like that for a reason, and it’s not because they’re that different than any other person walking down the street, it’s because that’s the only way people can get by doing what they’re doing.
@rodgazinya It's not every day I shudder from cringe in a YouTube comment section, bravo dude. Real cringy comment.
0 likesWell, play stupid games win stupid prizes! Like death at 17.
0 likes@rodgazinya Lol. You tried to sound hard and ended up getting clowned on
0 likes@rodgazinya Strong will survive, weak will die
0 likesIt gives me chills to hear people say "running his mouth" And "threatening to kill" is the same.
0 likesAnother incident with a scared man and a gun. I wish there was a way to make sure cowards don’t get guns
1 likeNo concern for the poor kid. Only for himself.
2 likesIt's so funny when he cries on the stand
0 likesBrave and honest fiancee indeed...
0 likes“It’s unfortunate I’m being charged with murder, that sucks.” Zero remorse
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If I had some dudes threaten to kill me and came at me I'd feel close to no remorse as well. Dudes guilty as sin but remorse is based also on experiences. Non remorse doesnt mean guilt. *edit yeah just saw the 27 minute mark. Dudes a git.
40 likes@Remorce He was informed that the guy didn't have a weapon, fact that he already knew, that's the reason he's showing no remorse. Thinking he was "going to be attacked" is his delusion he's trying to sell, he went to provoke a situation where he could have the chance of '"teaching those thugs a lesson' and don't forget the context that this happened after Trayvon Martin got killed and the guy who killed him is free.
64 likes@juan gomez yup, my response made sense in my head. I didnt express it well enough. To me he was just fed up with kids showing no respect. When the kid said to turn up the radio Dunn snapped. He showed the same lack of respect but thought himself better. That to me is why no remorse. Hopefully that was better worded ;)
4 likes@Remorce It's reasonable thinking if you are going to get attack by 4 guys you have the right to defend yourself but this was not the case from the start. The proof of that is the guy who said: "I heard loud music, I didn't like it, I left", meaning if you have the option of leaving then you're not under threat . That tells you the guy went to look for this outcome and even in the case of self defense the law says 'reasonable action' meaning if the guys are fleeing you don't have the right to keep shooting at them because they are not longer a threat to you, only psycho like Dunn might think that's self defense. Last thing: check Dunn's comments about his life in prison, that gives you a good portrait of what kind of guy is this...individual.
22 likes@juan gomez I never said any differently. Your vernacular merely mirrors my expressed cogitation but without a sybaritic runoff.
1 likeWhy should he ever feel remorse? It was him or the party firing at him.
3 likes"Do I...Do I need to get a lawyer?" @ 46:39 XD
0 likes@Anonymous Anonymous funny troll 😂😂
2 likes@Remorce Imagine thinking murder is the same as turning music up..
0 likes@MacRC no idea where that came from but ok sure.
0 likesmake more videos please.
0 likesRewatching this for the 15th time, I can’t get over this feeling that it was in some way racially motivated. You’ve got a group of young black men in a car playing loud music and he felt it necessary to unload over 10 bullets over some music? It’s clear they didn’t have a weapon or threaten him so why did he go so far? Would he have done the same to a car full of young white males? I personally don’t think he would
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I have the same thoughts. I'm not sure he would have behaved the same had it been a car of white kids playing rock music.
2 likes@ellentronic mistress i feel like there was more at play but definitely he was a racist
0 likeshe shot at the doors as that's where he thought the offensive speakers were dummies.
0 likesThis man is such a liar. It’s disgusting 🤨🤨
0 likesImagine remembering your wedding day every year as the day your dad killed a guy for playing loud music.
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💀💀💀😭😭😭
682 likesThanks Dad!
1641 likes“Well that sucks”
1636 likeswas it his kid's wedding? i skipped over that i guess i thought it was a friend
1031 likes@Diener Christi That reminds me of Randy from South Park, matter of fact this whole story does.
303 likes@broquest warsneeder Randy: "Oh I'm Sorry! I THOUGHT THIS WAS AMERICA!"
624 likesWayyyyy to go dad
137 likes@Conor Williamson yes, that is the perfect encapsulation of this case x)!
54 likesI guarantee you this is not the first time he has done reckless shit with alcohol in his blood. That son probably knew his father was a shithead for many years beforehand.
735 likeshe killed him for threatening him, not playing loud music, try to keep up with facts and logic and not just your emotions. it's not proven either way that the kid did or didn't have a gun, or that the kid did or didn't threaten to kill him, or that the kid did or didn't pretend he had a gun while threatening to kill him. this case is a lot more nuanced than you're portraying and it's immoral for you to attribute more malice than is evident to the accused, just like in your imaginary scenario of events the accused is wrong for falsely attributing malice to the kid, hypocrite
120 likes@Autonomous Thought lol I love when people say "facts and logic"
631 likesSo true.
6 likes@Autonomous Thought 12 of his peers who were presented both sides of the issue in it's entirety believe you're incorrect beyond a reasonable doubt.
606 likes@2122 and they're wrong. it's also spelled "its" when you're using the word in a possessive way
31 likesyet if they had had a gun in the car or even in the trunk, he prolly woulda gotten away with it
132 likes@Danielle Calderwood i want you to be completely honest here, do you completely trust the police when they are accusing a black person of something? you really accept what the police say as undisputed fact when the accused is black? i'm pretty sure you don't. but now in this case, the cops saying there was no gun = it's fact that there was no gun? i don't care what the cops say is fact, cops can be wrong, evidence and logic determines what is fact, not a supposed authority saying so
34 likesclassic Florida Wedding
96 likes@2122 well you can believe in your fictional imaginary reality if you want and continue to derive serotonin responses without merit, i would like you to continue to do that actually. we will see how powerless we respectively are
14 likesWow. You’re right
4 likesAnnaJAlexander his son
3 likesTalk about wanting to be the center of attention...
299 likesAutonomous Thought the INDEPENDENT WITNESS said he heard the defendant YELL “you’re not gonna talk to me like that!!” Is that something you say to someone holding a gun to you? I know I’m just feeding a troll but it’s late and I have nothing better to do. P.S. how’s my grammar? Did I make any mistakes?!
254 likes@Autonomous Thought Did we watch the same video? Cause its pretty clear by the evidence that his story doesn't line up with what the other peoples accounts. Also the evidence is also clear that he killed the kid for little to no reason.
211 likes@Danielle Calderwood yes it absolutely does matter whether or not the kids antagonized him. if they threatened to kill him and motioned as if they had a gun then it's up for debate if they, or at least the one, deserved to die. he could've not heard what they said for part of the altercation and heard another part. you people are so hysterical it's ridiculous, like just try entertaining the hypothetical that he's innocent before you form your opinion. i'm not justifying his actions, my position isn't even that he should have been found not guilty. i'm unsure on it, my position is that you people are irrationally over confident about his guilt and the kids' innocence. it's a clear sickness in a large section of society whenever it's an issue of white vs black
20 likesnot just for playing loud music. there was absolutely some kind of underlying racism here. "thug music," violent reaction to a damn teenager getting foolish. absolutely some tricky shit going on with this guy on the race front.
221 likes@sleep on dirt how is that racism? rap is largely thug music, that's likely just an accurate description
15 likesAutonomous Thought im sure youd kno all about tht
175 likesDamn....
5 likes@sleep on dirt yes, as someone really good at logic i'm especially able to recognize faulty logic
10 likes@Autonomous Thought You are the one who believes there was a shotgun when the man leaves the scene and doesn't report the shooting - which is a complete failure when you have a permit to carry.
185 likesAutonomous Thought LOL
80 likes@Autonomous Thought And by the way - that shotgun conspiracy was started by a man who accidently added that maybe they were dumping a weapon. He signed a sworn statement that he never saw anything the teens had that resembled a shotgun or weapon. The defense lawyer grabbed that and used it. There was no witnesses to it or sworn statements of any kind saying that there was such a weapon. So before you try and make fun of people over logic, you better study the case so that you know where the statements came from. Yours came from a conspiracy.
154 likesAlfred Indy I’m sure Autonomous Thought will come up with some really stupid convoluted reason for why he didn’t call the cops afterwards which he’ll insist is completely reasonable. Smh
130 likes@Bay Bee My class to get my permit stated upfront - if you are involved in a shooting - you are required to call immediately. If you have to go across the street for safety - that was okay - but you had to call in a.s.a.p.
123 likesTo be fair - Michael Dunn is a moron and a coward, so I will give him a pass to drive to the hotel. But once in his room - he had to call the police and report the incident. He could then say he was scared for his life and is in his room. He has no excuse for not calling from the hotel. Running is guilt!
Only a racist would tell you that he had the right to not report and drive one hundred miles away from the scene.
@Autonomous Thought I find it interesting to see grammatical errors pointed out, yet there is a clear lack of proper capitalization and punctuation in every one of your comments. I don't mind that at all; I just find it interesting.
177 likesLooking at the discussion here, it seems likely that you were biased before the whole story even came out. I understand and have seen unwarranted defense based on race, but this was not one of those cases.
@Autonomous Thought
120 likes1. Let's say a shotgun had been dumped. What are the chances it would have been recovered by police? I would guess the area had been searched for evidence and evidently, they hadn't even made it completely out of the parking lot.
2. What reason would the shooter have for getting out of his vehicle to continue shooting while the car was leaving the scene?
3. Even if the kids threatened his life (which doesn't line up with witness statements), he did not clearly see a shotgun by his own admission. Considering no weapons were found in the SUV, logic points toward that part of the story being made up.
It's also fair to keep in mind that we only heard part of the story here in this video. The jury had much more information to consider in making their decision.
@Violet Joy The shotgun conspiracy he sites came from a 911 call where the caller was excited and did not mean that he saw a weapon. The 911 caller signed a sworn statement stating he never saw the teens dispose of anything. That statement was omitted in the courtroom. Using that as his defense after he has lost both a district and a state appeals court appeals - is illogical.
41 likes@Violet Joy none of my grammatical "errors" interfere with the coherence of what i'm saying. it also should be obvious that i clearly could capitalize the first letter of a sentence and put a period at the end if i wanted to, i'm clearly just speaking in a casual way that is appropriate for the internet. the same doesn't apply to someone who incorrectly types "it's" instead of "its", "it's" is an extra character, it's less casual, and is clearly an indication of a genuine lack of literacy.
9 likeswhat do you mean i was biased? i genuinely am just trying to analyze the case logically and accurately, and so i'm pointing out clear errors. again, my position isn't even that he should have been found not guilty. i'm honestly morally unclear on that, it's a grey area of morality for me as to what constitutes enough evidence for a claim of self defense. what is clear and not a grey area tho, is that most people commenting on this case are demonstrating an inappropriate level of confidence in the guilt of the accused / the innocence of the kid(s)
@Violet Joy 1. the chances are pretty low if the gun had been dumped. they aren't low however if the gun was actively removed by the kids or someone connected to them. they were in their own neighbourhood and if they were criminally minded people, it would be something they'd probably do. i know people like this and instances similar to this, i know that things like this happen and it's not an unlikely pattern of thought or behaviour if these kids were criminally minded
8 likes2. one reason could be that he was expecting return fire if he thought that they had a gun, and wanted to make sure that they did in fact fully flee
3. again, it wouldn't be likely that witnesses would have seen the threats made if they were made, so it's not significant evidence of lack of threats made that there weren't any witnesses to them. if the kid did threaten to kill him and did actively attempt to intimidate the man by pretending he had a gun when he didn't, which is within the realm of possibility (i've actually seen this kind of behaviour in person with my own eyes), then he may actually have a case for self defense. i disagree that logic points to the story being made up. logic only says that we can't conclusively say what happened because we don't know with certainty. some people genuinely behave in the way that is portrayed in the story of the accused, it's really not uncommon
@Tea Noire if he thought they had a gun it makes complete sense that he'd continue to fire at the vehicle to ensure that it continues to drive away and not return fire. sorry if you can't fathom actually defending yourself with lethal force, it isn't always wrong. your response is hysterical gibberish. you can call it "playing devil's advocate" but actually looking at the facts and both sides is the moral thing to do
6 likes@Autonomous Thought It is not mentally weak to disregard a conspiracy where the 911 caller signed a sworn statement that he did not see any object leaving the van. It is not mentally weak to that out of three jurors that two juries convicted him, throwing out his shotgun story. It is not mentally weak to consider that he has lost two appeals and that each lose weakens his excuse.
96 likes@Violet Joy I forget if I was at that gas station that night or the previous day. You could very easily hide a weapon for a period of time. I do think racism was a motivating factor in this, but in Florida if you go out you come across black people, I'm sure this was a daily occurrence for this guy, why did he wait so long to commit this "hate crime"? Almost as if, real or perceived, in this instance he feared for his life. This is a well lit, rather nice gas station that backs up to a gated community, not the type of place where you would "finally have a chance". Would that kid be alive if he hadn't acted like an asshole? Yes.
5 likesDo I believe he should be in jail in 2020?
No, he did not plan this and I believe he was fearful, the average rapist serves less than 4 years and you have to try to make that happen. This guy is an example of man bites dog, white guy kills a black teen, so he got punished. Murder 3 people set the car on fire and don't cooperate, I doubt you get even 15 years, assuming all victims and perpetrators are black. He got punished for a narrative(and cooperation)
(EDIT) That said a 10 year sentence, serve 2/3 would've been appropriate in my opinion. Also we, as a nation, need to punish rapists much more severely.
@Alfred Indy uh, i didn't call disbelief mentally weak, i clearly called forming beliefs in unproven things mentally weak. none of what you said is conclusive proof that there was no shotgun
5 likes@Autonomous Thought Nothing Dunn said conclusive proof that there was a shotgun! And my opinion is more sound than yours because the one witness walking out to his car right before Dunn started shooting, stated on the witness stand - he said nothing in the van that resembled a shotgun in the hands of the teens. That is 100 percent more creditable than a slip on a 911 call where the caller signed a sworn statement than he did not see the teens disposing of a weapon.
63 likesIf Dunn had anything to prove a possibility of a shotgun one of his appeal attempts would have at least heard his case. No courts have granted him a retrial.
@Alfred Indy my claim isn't that there was a shotgun. i never said there was conclusive proof that there was a shotgun. my position is that it's not a fact that there was no shotgun. how are you struggling this? me saying it's not a fact that there was no shotgun =/= me saying it's fact that there was a shotgun
5 likes@Autonomous Thought I am struggling because this case proved (along with two failed appeals) that this wasn't self-defense. If there was a shotgun then that would change the conviction. Did Michael Dunn carry the shotgun away in his rectum? The witness who saw the van stop swore - no gun. The people at the gas station swore - no gun. So the only logical theory is - that Michael Dunn sat on the shotgun and forgot it was there. Under your logic that is a possibility.
65 likesLol didnt even think of that
0 likes@Alfred Indy you're misusing the word "proved"
5 likes@Autonomous Thought You keep using the phrase "irrational and immoral". Why? What makes an argument "immoral"? What is morality to you? You should avoid using such subjective language if you're attempting to make an argument from objectivity. What you've argued so far isn't compelling. There was enough evidence from the interrogation, the witnesses, and the crime scene itself to make a case for the suspect's motive. Rejecting evidence is irrational.
104 likes@Autonomous Thought You are misusing the negated version NOT proven.
52 likes@Samuel David there definitely isn't substantial evidence, what are you talking about? and what a completely nonsensical thing to say. what i'm calling immoral is objectively immoral, as long as you subjectively agree that adhering to truth is better than not adhering to truth. you disagree on that subjective premise? you think questioning that subjective premise is actually a substantial argument? are you new to thinking about morality? cuz literally everything else you said to me implies that you agree that adhering to truth is superior to not adhering to truth, although maybe not, because you are pretty bad at it
6 likes@Autonomous Thought so you choose to believe him, a man with 5+ drinks in him and not his wife and witnesses, nice facts and logic.
95 likes@Filip Raos no, if you had a 3 digit IQ you'd be able to read and think properly, and you'd realize that my position isn't that i believe him. it's that there isn't proof of what is being claimed either way
5 likes@Autonomous Thought you are just arguing for the sake of arguing.
119 likesYou keep saying how there is a small chance that his actions were justified.
And sure, thats true. nobody is saying that there was no chance in hell that hes innocent.
BUT you dont have to point that out, its like saying that the sky is blue and then acting intelectually superior because of it.
There is a possiblity for anything , thats a logical point of view that all sane people share. But nobody points that out cause its a given.
Also, most of the people, including me, are replying to your opening statement: "he killed him for threatening him, not playing loud music, try to keep up with facts and logic and not just your emotions" which is different from arguing a slight possiblity that his actions are justified.
Enjoy living on your high horse, you are up for a bumpy ride if you act like this in real life.
Best of luck
Brian Davis I hadn’t even thought of that. Wow.
0 likesAutonomous thought you are stating succinctly what I am thinking. Police lie during interrogations purposely to pump info and confessions out of people. He very well could have believed there was a shotgun—seems very a reasonable conclusion. The other witnesses may not have heard death threats from their vantage points. And just because these young men had no records doesn’t mean they have stellar character. They were behaving less than stellar, in fact. They weren’t exactly choir boys. And about the point, did the 17 year old “deserve” to die? I guess I want to say, Don’t tempt fate by threatening another’s life. None of this should have happened. The couple was drunk. Judgment was lessened. Michael is an instigator, and the young men chose to get riled rather than let it go. They could have chosen to ignore Michael. Afterall, a trip to the convenience store is rarely longer than ten minutes. Both of the parties could have ignored one another. Poor Ronda, she just wants some wine to get even more drunk. Maybe she was looking for some action back at the hotel. I hope none of the commenters on this thread ever serve on a jury. Their judgment is clouded by misconceptions of evidence. One point in that regard is that witnesses see something through their own worldview lens. Each person witnesses an event in entirely different ways. They could even be lying for their own purpose. Even video footage is not foolproof because it doesn’t record what happened prior to the recording. Ronda was very convincing in the trial, but she could have been persuaded to say that; after all she’s easily manipulated. It’s all these things together that make a case, not just one thing. I would have to have been in the trial to know if I would pronounce him guilty or not. That’s not possible from my armchair viewing of cherry picked commentary and footage. I see some gray area here; it’s not open and shut. As advice and warning to readers and viewers, I would suggest laying off the rum at parties. Maybe this could have been avoided if he hadn’t been buzzed or even drunk.
6 likes@christine robinson He has lost two appeals, so far. It is safe to say that it is an open and cut case of guilty. Besides, threatening someone (if true) without being an imminent threat is not justification for self-defense. Please review the self-defense and stand your ground laws in Florida for more assistance.
62 likesDunn's past: arrested for DUI, when he was younger; Flying his plane in a restricted airspace and having to be forced down my the military planes. Not a perfect citizen in his past, either.
Rhonda made a sworn statement stating what she said. She could have been prosecuted as being part of the crime. I don't think she was persuaded other than fear of being dragged into fleeing the scene of crime.
The whole trial was on court tv. People are not arm chairing the jury. The jury came to the right decision.
@Autonomous Thought This guy is already unhinged as it is. What makes you think you can just say he was threatened? Or that there was a weapon when it was never proven? They towed the vehicle from the store.. Dude was 6 drinks in maybe more. His ability to make sound judgement was impaired. Not to mention he just went home and ordered a fuckin pizza and took his dog for a walk. And then proceeded to drink himself to sleep.??
61 likesAutonomous Thought do you realize there was no gun there? No fun at the scene lol talking about facts and logic meanwhile you’re the one clearly emotional! Funny username btw since it seems u look at things from the lens of your preexisting zeitgeist and worldview, but hey I cud be wrong bout that. I have an open mind for real
55 likesMajor oof. 😬
0 likesSomeone in this comment section needs a hobby
53 likes@Autonomous Thought you talk about the evidence you didn't see and the testimony you didn't hear .... But the jurors saw and heard the evidence and testimony... And they found him guilty.
57 likesSo.... There's that?
Look at the possibilities. Look at the evidence. Weigh these things. Judge credibility of the sources. Render a verdict.
Even if the threats occured, which literally nobody but the shooter says happened, the shoot was still not justified self-defence.
When you have to really stretch the bounds and bring in conspiracies and hidden stealth ninjas absconding with evidence in order to cast doubt on the established narrative.... Then the doubt is not reasonable doubt.
@Danielle Calderwood they did leave the parking lot. They "circled around and came back in the parking lot after seeing him leave the parking lot" could have easily dropped a gun somewhere.
0 likes@Autonomous Thought Why is it so hard to accept that he is a murderer and there is undeniable proof? Are you insane? You're making yourself look like a clown online.
72 likeschristine robinson you must have missed the end of the video...
8 likesJohn C has
0 likes@Autonomous Thought I agree to a point. I don't know this man's past. Maybe he had been attached or threatened in his past. Maybe that's why he had a gun. I think he may have imagined that the young men were threatening him. He heard what he "wanted" or imagined what they said. So he was scared and reached out of misinformation.
1 likeThe lyrics of the BEEF song playing were basically: said: "you don't want no beef with us because we will run up on you and shoot you."
1 like@David Crandall Look at the Brightside - Duntz is hard of hearing and did not hear the lyrics.
7 likes@Sa-Amir el-Hayeed Not even remotely possible.
11 likes@Alfred Indy rewatch the video the cop told that to the murderer when he explained that he ran away because he thought there could be more people coming
1 like@Sa-Amir el-Hayeed Carry permit class 101: Rule number 1) You are allowed to flee to a safe place but, YOU MUST REPORT ANY SHOOTING THAT YOU ARE INVOLVED IN. I will be generous, and give him to the safety of his hotel room - but after that - it was a fleeing felon. You better read up on firearm training. You cannot wait 24 hours to report a self-defense shooting. You are forced to call right away.
39 likes@Alfred Indy I wasn't defending his actions in any way. I was saying that it was possible that the people in the other car could have reasonably left, dropped the gun somewhere and come back to the scene of the crime
1 like@Sa-Amir el-Hayeed If it had been reasonable - he would have not lost his original case and two appeals so far. The fact that he ran and tried to go home never calling the LE speaks volumes for his innocents.
26 likes@Taylor Fausett why does it have to be the past? why are you afraid to acknowledge the possibility that they actually threatened him? you people are destroying your society with your fear of seeming racist, it's pathetic and you're deeply immoral
6 likes@Autonomous Thought No, if we followed your lead we would be destroying society by destroying the concept of the jury system. A group of people exactly like Michael Dunn listened to the case and found what he said to be garbage and convicted him. Then two appeals judges found what the District court did to be within the law. Basically you are stating that our system sucks! Maybe you better swallow your ego and conclude that Michael Dunn sucks?
49 likes@Alfred IndyWell, they weren't: "She loves you yeah, yeah, yeah" or: "I wanna hold your hand." But things would have turned out differently if it was.
1 like@Alfred Indy that's an irrational conclusion. you don't know what happened but you're acting like you do because of social proof. you're an immoral person. again, my position isn't even that he's not guilty
4 likes@Sa-Amir el-Hayeed What are the key elements you would have seen in this case if there really had been a gun in the van - besides the fact that no one saw the gun in the parking lot, or the fact that Dunn never told Rhonda? First - the teens would have not come back to the scene of the shooting and would have taken Jordan to the emergency. They did not plan to circle back and pretend that they did not have a weapon. That would have taken way too much planning. They reacted like suburban teens who were just assaulted. Second - Dunn would have not used suppression fire and would have got the license number to report the van who tried to shoot him. None of this - I believe Jordan could have had a gun and ditched it - makes any sense. Neither the teens nor Dunn would have reacted the way they did if the teens had a shotgun. Third, who would have retrieved the shotgun from the lot when the teens were all taken in after the incident? Do people not report a shotgun laying in the lot of a strip mall? The whole thing that Dunn claimed is science fiction at best.
19 likesBesides, if Dunn got a retrial for the Jordan Davis shooting what would that prove? He would then have to appeal his suppression fire at a fleeing vehicle which was a second conviction and would have to be appealed separately. He still has 20 years to serve on firing into a vehicle.
@Autonomous Thought calling people immoral because they are conscious of racism?
49 likes@Autonomous Thought Bro stop trolling. I know your game...
26 likesImagine loosing a friend a brother and a child. Those trump any wedding day memories that will be bad for her.
3 likes@Kev Dean Yes, and reoccurring dates of Michael Dunn trying to appeal his case. He has lost two appeal attempts already, but it has to hurt reminding them that the murderer wants his freedom, which means Jordan meant nothing to him.
12 likes@Autonomous Thought You are morally against, or at least unconvinced, of the American justice system's intent behind utilizing judges, jury, and witnesses. That or the concept of people having faith in these things.
16 likesIf the former, would you rather the court cases be managed by a computer? I'm just curious
Autonomous Thought You wrote like 20 replies and all you have to offer are ad hominem attacks, stipulations, and appeals to ignorance. At least brush up on your argumentative skills if you’re going to be a keyboard warrior.
54 likesBtw thanks for all the love guys.
4 likesPlot twist.Shes now married to a BLACK man.😆Im DUNN!!
3 likesSad story.😭..😀 LAUGHTER eases pain.Have a FREE LAUGH on me.Watch my 2nd OPEN MIC.
@Autonomous Thought Just Another Happy Humanist did not say this was based on race. She said you guys discount actual evidence in the case, and think that the court system was not fair. Sorry - either put up or shut up - Michael Dunn. You either prove the evidence that Jordan had a gun and disposed of it or you don't have a legitimate case to appeal. Also, Michael Dunn prove to us why you ignored your permit to carry requirement to report your firearm use.
30 likesDamn.😶😔
1 likeMurder pretty much only happens for a few reasons. Revenge, capital gain, and perversion. Not loud music. Wtf?
3 likesNo shit huh😣
0 likes@Autonomous Thought they didnt threaten him and there was no weapon. Jesus christ
20 likesAutonomous Thought Don’t criticise others misuse of words. When you can’t capitalise, use commas or full stops yourself mate.
21 likesImage the family who have lost a son/daughter bein' shot dead (even their own) by some idiot who was given a gun permit who had no qualms shooting it without critical assessment.... in a public venue 'cause they were intoxicated, were irritated by loud music and a mouthy response and then runs. Sadly, there are plenty of innocent folks who have died at the hands of such idiots.
13 likes@catothewiser They weren't thugs, they were teenagers The worlds full of 'em, we're not entitled to shoot 'em cause they are defiant, it's their nature.
24 likes@mumfurds Yes it was. He was planning reconnecting with his son after the wedding, but he blew it. Permanently.
2 likesRite that's crazy
0 likesThat is crazy the imagine.
0 likesJust imagine they think he was protecting himself.
@Danielle Calderwood...💪🏾
0 likes@Conor Williamson "and were gonna top that with a little creme fraiche ugghh yeaahhh"
1 like@Autonomous Thought what!?! He used "it's" instead of "its"? Well that just discreets everything he said! Good job dude!!!
11 likes@Autonomous Thought so... what evidence do you have for believing what you believe?
12 likes@Autonomous Thought yeah except this lunatic continued to fire shots even as they retreated!
13 likesWedding nightmares- got to be No1
0 likesDavid Kosiborod 🤣🤣
0 likesSad, isn't it. 😭
0 likesAutonomous Thought Exactly.
0 likesAutonomous Thought If reasonable people like you or me have doubts about his guilt, then Dunn should have been found not guilty.
1 likeAlfred Indy I believe what Autonomous Thought is saying is that we don’t know for certain whether the kids had a gun or not or whether they threatened him or not. But consider this: do wealthy middle-aged software developers just pull a gun and start shooting at a gas station?
1 like@Autonomous Thought I would bet a lot of money that you're unemployed and have said "why don't we have a white history month?" before.
26 likesdont really think it was the music. if they were white and playing loud music do you think there would be a trial?
7 likesAutonomous Thought.... All those words for what? Make yourself feel better? Need a hug?
9 likesAnd not even just a guy but a kid
2 likesYup :(
0 likes@Scorch428 probably
0 likes@Autonomous Thought exactly. And they went to court. And based upon the evidence and the facts he was convicted.
8 likesOh my! He really ruined their anniversary :/
1 likeAutonomous T
0 likesAutonomous Thought FOH with word salad, lol.
3 likesNo, you have mouthy 17 year after of threatening him with 3 other punks to back him up
0 likesnot even just a guy, a kid. :/
1 like@Autonomous Thought You should lay off the Ben Shapiro bro. Find a hobby to relax your mind and learn to be at peace.
24 likesI hate that guy.
0 likesJr probably was all that surprised, really. No one that knew Dunn personally was surprised in the least, apparently.
1 like@rustyshack Yes, because murder and 2-3 counts of attempted murder should render a charge less of that then 1 charge of Aggravated sexual assault
2 likes@Autonomous Thought How do you imagine an evidence of an absence of a thing would look? You don't prove absence, you prove that there were no evidence for presence.
17 likesMaybe he was mad because he didn't want that wedding to happen? And that's why he shoot someone?
0 likes@Autonomous Thought
11 likesTfw his story was contradicted by all parties present, they found no eveidence self-defence, he changed up his story, and was found guilty by his peers and you're trying to defend him with "facts and logic".
@Autonomous Thought I’ve got good news for you. Jim didn’t convict this guy, a jury who sat through all the evidence and multiple witness testimony did. So... everything you just said was pointless drivel.
15 likesOh god I didn't even think of that!!
0 likes@Autonomous Thought I'm worry abt u dude srsly, a man who's defending another one who KILLED a teenager is just messed up i hope no one get hurt by u in the future .
10 likesThe plot thickens
1 likeHer... dad..?
0 likesCheck that out !
0 likesthak u i needed a description for what this is about lol
0 likesImagine being the parent of that guy he killed:(
0 likesOuch, God damn. If u put it that way.
0 likesThat music threatened his life.... Maybe he was just trying to hit the radio
0 likes@J H bro, I don't think it was the alcohol. He seems like the wild west type. Can't say if mattered that they were black( only he really knows) but I'm pretty sure he isn't used to people saying no to him, and I doubt it would've mattered much if they were white. Just another loose cannon with no real empathy for the human race.
0 likesso stop playing loud music in a public place kid. learn to show some respect.
0 likesNobody will ever know. Nobody was there except the two parties. Nobody ever gonna know. Both could be equally responsible
0 likesPluto101 uppu y’all
0 likes@Autonomous Thought thank you so much for this thread.
2 likesEh, not likely that she remembers it that way, as she told the news back when he was first tried in court that he was a "good man" and that if he had to "defend himself" (against what exactly, I wonder?) he would. Doesn't seem like she thinks he was guilty at all! Idiocy runs in the family
1 likeOmg I didn’t even think about that
0 likesDad??
0 likesAutonomous Though
0 likes@Autonomous Thought but why put all of that energy into so many post? It's over he's locked up.
2 likes@Danielle Calderwood you tell'em danielle.
2 likesShannon Shannonbobannon I know, Lol
0 likes@Captain Freedom inebriated emotional men constantly get into unnecessary altercations while drunk and emotional. What faulty logic here.
3 likesVery much hope his son isn't like him
1 like" killed a guy for playing loud music" That's not the story though. He shot someone because they insulted him and he couldn't handle it.
5 likesSo, Cops are able to do it, Military are able to, etc, etc..
0 likesThat's also why there's a movement, and that should also be why we start seeing A LOT more Cops finally getting the same JUSTICE that We, as citizens, get!
OOOF
0 likesThat's what I was thinking 🤦♀️
0 likes“So how was the wedding?”
1 likeOh shit man. Never thought about that. My mother is a murderer also, shenkilled a black man in 1976 on South Beach in Miami. She was able to make bail and ran for 26 years. They caught her in the state of Maine in 2003 and she was released in 2010. She is free living off the tax payers on disability still using racist terminology in the daily rants on FB. I asked her at one point at dinner before I totaly stopped speaking to her and writing to her. Anyway back to question " do you ever feel bad about killing that man?" Her response " I feel bad I got caught." I have no idea why she's out living her life while that man is dead. I feel ashamed of my her and I can't in good conscious be there for her mother or not.
6 likesDo you suppose he sends his son a Happy Anniversary card from prison each year?
1 likeWow I didn't even think about thatv
0 likes2122 that is not a good argument though, as I will prove in two words: Casey Anthony.
0 likesIt’s admirable that that people are fighting the good fight with Autonomous Thought but the prosecutor basically already dealt with this. Yes it’s theoretically possible that the neighborhood helped the kids hide the gun, that Dunn got temporary amnesia and forgot to mention it for 24 hours, that he only saw the gun in the split second between saying ‘don’t talk to me like that’ and firing, that the witnesses somehow only heard Dunn’s tantrum and not the kids’ (shouted) death threats, that the kids were actually massive thugs despite all having clean records, etc etc. But beyond reasonable doubt does not require the exclusion of these fanciful possibilities. And if it’s good enough for the Court is certainly not ‘immoral’ for people to be certain of Dunn’s guilt. If you are truly interested in the truth then I think you should consider why you seem to require the proof of Dunn’s guilt beyond all doubt and whether it is you who is seeing things through a distorting racial prism. With the likes of Philando Castile etc can you really say with a straight face that US society is quick to presume and punish white on black violence as some sort of racial reparation?
13 likesI’d get married on a different day, I’d act as if that day never happened I’d call the court and tell them to scratch the day completely
1 likeThere’s always that one family member that ruins everything
3 likesAutonomous Thought how do you prove a negative.
0 likes@Autonomous Thought saying "There isn't evidence that there wasn't a gun" proves that you don't understand evidence. The fact is there was no evidence that there WAS a gun. That's how evidence works.
14 likes🥺 💯
0 likesA kid at that
0 likesBeats being dead 💀
0 likesHe’s probably a hero to these kind of peoples.
0 likes*17 year old boy
0 likes//Rebecca Dunn, Dunn's daughter, defended her father's story, by her statement during an interview, "He is going to protect himself if he sees no other way than to bring out his gun, then that's what he's going to do." She described Dunn as "a good man. He's not a racist. He's very loving."//
1 likeThanks for all the likes BTW. This is the most I've ever gotten, And totally unexpected!
0 likesracist dad*
0 likesOof
0 likesWhos marrying their dad? Lol this isnt a muslim country
0 likesAutonomous Thought He reached into the glove compartment
14 likesPulled out a gun
Had to put the magazine in the gun
Aim
And then start firing
In the time it would have taken him to do this they would have been able to shoot atleast once with this magical shotgun
Nevermind the fact that they never stepped out of the car
And if he had started shooting at them and they had a shotgun they absolutely would have fired back and tried to flee while doing so because there was multiple of them and one of him
It‘s pretty blatant what you are and what you’re trying to do by clicking on your profile but your little "oh you all are ignoring the possibility and just accepting what the police say"
There is no possibility. There was no gun. You don‘t need to accept the police on it, he fires 2 volleys and doesn‘t get fired back at and they wait for him to leave but don‘t shoot the car then for revenge on their friend he shot?
You have to live on the sun for your brain to be fried enough to think that there was even a modicum of a possibility these kids had a gun.
@Autonomous Thought it's irrational to believe the grown ass man shooting a gun at a car load of kids that are DRIVING AWAY FROM HIM is the act of an innocent man. There's literally no reason to shoot when they're trying to get away, there's literally no reason to shoot at the car at all.
13 likes@Autonomous Thought no reason to logically dispute illogical claims.
1 likeyeah, how sad for the son.
0 likesFucking rough 😂
0 likes@Autonomous Thought did you watch the video or do you also hate "thug music"
5 likesWell no, he feared for his and girls life
0 likes@Mac Gyver he was lying
3 likes@Autonomous Thought
2 likesThank you for the content pseud
oof
0 likes@Autonomous Thought no they really didn’t read the ACTUAL facts
1 like@Autonomous Thought also what was the reason to shoot at the car that is moving away
3 likesHe shot at them because he couldn't handle black teenagers talking shit to him. He keeps saying he was threatened and scared but that wasn't true, he was just so angry at them talking back to him that he wanted to kill them.
8 likesBased on evidence, the kid that got murdered stayed inside the car the whole time. He just made up a story that they were coming up to him with a weapon and he got scared for his life, when he got arrested, thinking he could fool them that it was self-defense.
@bumpet He was also probably High as well being obviously drunk due to what he drank at the wedding. He was a fan of cocaine as well. Didn't want to get himself in even bigger trouble so he went back to the bed and breakfast, walked the dog, and drank himself to sleep, then proceeded to wake himself up, watch the news of the shooting, and then drive back home. What a sociopath.
1 like@Brian Davis Yes, but I don't think he was intoxicated enough to be seeing things, he just said that story about them advancing on him and the kid having a gun when he was arrested to give his actions an excuse.
0 likesHe knew where he was shooting, inside the car as the kid never went out. The other shots were probably so he could kill more, but he didn't expect the car to move. Every action he did there was of an aggressor. He must have thought the police were stupid.
@Autonomous Thought didn't know you could access the internet in prison.
4 likes"This is why we can't have nice things!"
1 like@Autonomous Thought I'm an old White lady and one of my favorite songs is 'X gon' give it to you'.
1 like@Tea Noire And really there's no evidence that the kid who got shot made ANY threats or did anything at all to contribute to the scene. He couldn't have been turning the music up or down; he was in the back.
1 like@mumfurds His son's wedding
0 likes'a kid'
0 likes@mumfurds he was the father of the groom
0 likesNot just “a guy” tho, he killed a kid
1 likeAfter a few miles the horse stopped in the middle of the road and the husband gave the horse a light pop with the whip. The horse kicked and bucked. The man quietly murmured "That's strike one.". A few minutes later the horse stopped again and after a light tap on his hind quarters bucked even more violently. This time the man murmured "That's strike two.". A few minutes later the horse bucked again and the man quietly climbed down from the carriage, pulled out a pistol, and shot the horse dead. His new wife immediately began screaming and yelling and striking the man asking what the hell was wrong with him. The man pocketed his pistol, looked up at his distraught wife, and murmured "That's strike one."
1 likeEvery year or every week?
0 likeshonestly, this is so fucking hilarious, and it's kind of like it's own justice, right? feels great, anyways.
1 like@Autonomous Thought what kind of brain damage does it take to get these garbage ideas? Real talk
8 likesThis sentence makes no sense...
0 likesExcept there’s no punch line this time lol
0 likes@rustyshack I think the reason he waited so long to commit this “hate crime” is because up until then he had no real reason to. Being drunk could have escalated his inner hatred. Obviously this is just a guess though.
2 likes@Autonomous Thought ay bro, u still there? u still breathing right?
4 likes@2122 Only 9 of his peers thought so at his first trial
1 likeNot just a guy, a teenager
0 likes@Autonomous Thought - Are you saying you think the cops set the white boy up to take the fall for a self-defense shooting by saying that the black kids didn’t have a gun when they did?
2 likesJeez!!! That sucks!
0 likesuh i think it was because the thugs were coming after him
0 likesI think the guy was pumped up from the wedding and thought he was the shit.
0 likesThat’s comedy
0 likes@Autonomous Thought lol you said “cuz” 😅
2 likesAutonomous Thought Either way, mind your business. Hearing someone else’s loud music for a few minutes won’t kill you. That’s the problem with this world. Everyone is so sensitive and entitled
2 likesThugs
0 likesgood job pops.. 👏
0 likesJust be respectful and turn the music down. It's really that simple.
0 likesDamn
0 likes@mumfurds groom's dad..
0 likes@Autonomous Thought the fallacy in your arguments is that they are all speculation without evidence. just like many of your opponents. The issues are 1 How drunk was Dunn 2 just how loud and threatening was the music, loud violent gangsta rap Loud enough that another man deliberately parks away from the SUV can be deliberately disturbing the peace. 3 Was there a real threat a gesture or was Dunn a complete nutter who would commit murder on a simple irritation. 4 what previous evidence is there as to Dunns ability or inability to deal rationally with minor irritations while drinking 5 Just how drunk was he at the wedding and was he offensive at the wedding or not? All these question need to be addressed. Dunn is not going anywhere. But this case is raising way to much heat without anyone trying to get to the bottom of this. That is bad for society as a whole, which is my concern right now not what happens to Dunn. One extreme seems to think he was a closet hater who exploded into a murderous rage after a few drinks with only a mild provocation. The other side seems to say he was seriously threatened with a deadly weapon. Doesn't anybody want to investigate to see what really happened before this causes further violence or is everybody just good and happy stirring up more violence and saying fuck you to both real and imagined opponents?? Just saying. . .. . and by the way people if you have evidence to put up, provide provenance you can see the damage wild speculation does...
2 likes@rustyshack That is an important issue this is a middle age( late forties} man. if there was a case of violent racism it surely would have manifested itself before this I have my opinions on his mental state but I will not fuel more wild speculation with conjecture INVESTIGATION is the answer FACTS not speculation HERESAY is not evidence. surely there are some people out there who knew all the people in this and can provide some ACTUAL eveidence.
0 likes@Alfred Indy actually the people swore they DID NOT SEE a gun None of them was close to the action. Please do not misstate evidence
0 likes@Sa-Amir el-Hayeed that is extremely important evidence. Obviously if they did have a gun they would have ditched it. But like the other evidence presented here. provenese reference to trial testimony please.
0 likes@David Crandall again more evidence again I ask for provenance trial testimony page and date would be nice. and at what volume was this playing
0 likes@Alfred Indy you are correct
0 likes@Sa-Amir el-Hayeed testimony of this please testimony and video
0 likes@johnb66y Please don't mistake three appeals attempts: district, state court of appeals, and state supreme court. Your ignorance is calling three courts judges lying about your imaginary evidence.
3 likesHe lost all three appeals because he never had a case to begin with. Three courts threw out his appeal. You going to call me a liar when three judges think as I do?
Guilty people run and do not report shootings. Honorable permit carrying gun owners like myself know to move to a safe place and call 911 immediately.
@Alfred Indy I support the innocence project unfortunately winning at trial very much depends how far the establishment is willing to push tings to get the result ot wants
0 likes@johnb66y I don't get your point. Appeals courts iron out the flaws of the original trial. I know research attorneys and they go into each appeal with an open mind and research the whole case and whether the suspect was robbed of any rights. They would have found a flaw if there was any possibility that there was a gun involved.
1 likeThe fact still remains that Michael Dunn never reported the incident to the police, like every permit carrying gun owner knows that you have to do. That alone proves guilt.
@johnb66y " I support the innocence project unfortunately winning at trial very much depends how far the establishment is willing to push tings to get the result ot wants" <=== well then you lose like Michael Dunn did. He has exhausted all his chances at appealing his conviction.
0 likes@Autonomous Thought your arguments defeat themselves when you attest motives to others in ad hominem attacks. You have no idea what motivates Alfred Indy and you owe him a apology for the smear.
4 likes@Alfred Indy Unfortunatley as the innocence project has found the Jury system is too easily swayed by slick tricks by the proprietorial team and by judges eager to go along to get along. I can sympathize with you that you think this guy was venal, rather than just confused and panicked but he has no record of venality towards blacks. Now this is pure speculation and not evidence but just maybe the guy was so far gone and that the kid was woofing but Dunn read it as a real threat wouldn't be the first time by a long shot. I am just speculating so you can see the possibilities. The fact is I do not think Dunn would have done that if he did not think he was being threatened with a weapon. Now that is just my opinion but it is based upon my experience in life and that I know that people are creatures of habit. Again this case is important enough that all the facts of both Dunn and these Kids should be thoroughly dug up.
0 likes@Alfred Indy If i walked down the street and said " I am going to go get my nine and blow you away" I could be ARRESTED AND CONVICTED FOR MAKING A TERRORIST THREAT but if I come into a gas station in a car full of black youths and look mean at people turn the volume up and sing along with the same lyrics and maybe make a few gestures, you are saying that I am now protected because I am just singing and dancing along with the radio?? really ?? Maybe you would like to think about that a little bit!!
0 likes@Alfred Indy I would go with the second conviction but not the first I believe the teens well may have woof faked Dunn into believing they had a gun and were going to fire I believe his state of partial inebriation would have contributed to his panicked fire I believe he thought the gun was real. I believe he did not report this because he thought that it would go badly for him. I believe if he had been the murdering racist that he has been portrayed as being that he would have acted out long before his mid forties. My beliefs are based upon logic and the information so far that has be brought forward If you have any Facts that would logically invalidate my beliefs please put them forward.
0 likes@Alfred Indy first the state really wanted a guilty verdict to avoid more racial trouble. That is incontrovertible. Second appeals courts are not allowed to change jury verdicts by reassessing facts. The jury found willful homicide and rejected self defense. The appeals court could only overturn that if Rhonda gave evidence to appeals that she had been coerced into testimony by the police threat which she did not . Third 90 years was absurd there was no premeditation and there was probable provocation. The sentence was a sop to the black community upset about black racism. The Power structure does that a lot. fourth IF as you said his entire record was a youthful DUI and a bust of restricted airspace which is not even a criminal offense unless he willfully entered into R airspace when he knew he had done it and knew it was active at the time. (THERE AINT NO LINES UP THERE FYI AND LOW TIME VFR PILOTS OFTEN GET A LITTLE OFF COURSE.) so by your evidence ( AND i have no idea how complete this evidence was,) he was just a regular guy. Come on people Evidence is names dates witnesses willing to attest to what they actually experienced, not conjecture and hearsay.
0 likes@2122 not that it matters but old auto head was right about the use of its. it's means the same as it is. "Its" in this case is using" it" to refer to the noun" issue" and the possessive modifier "entirety" as a property of this specific issue. So this exchange shows interesting psychology between two people who are antagonistic towards each other. Autonomous who somehow seems to be trying to make a case that the irrational act by the defendant was justified by by a real shotgun which somehow magically disappeared. But then he uses a cheap trick to Disparage 2122 for a common grammar mistake.( I make it often) Then 2122 comes back to attack the person of' autonomous', taunting him for being impotent to get the defendant out of jail.Then 2122 shows interesting irrationality by saying he will leave his grammar mistake uncorrected, as a sort of psychological homage to the rightness of Dunns conviction and sentence. Then there are all the other various attributions as to motive all as far as I can see without any evidence. I would like to see a real psychiatric professional go through Dunns mind and try to figure out what made him snap. Right now all we have is an irrational act without any reason. or even evidence of any reason
1 like@J H a smear without the slightest shred of evidence. your comment is typical of those who speculate then invent supporting arguments without attempting to ascertain facts
1 like@Alfred Indy Music has a profound influence on behavior just like movies do. 17 year old kids should be not be listening to those R-rated lyrics. That why gangster rap is labeled 'parental guidance' for violent lyrics. That parents should not have let their kids listen or buy this music. It's illegal to do so.
0 likes@David Crandall Sounds like the lyrics were too mature for Michael Dunn to handle after alcohol consumption.
4 likes@johnb66y "Now that is just my opinion but it is based upon my experience in life and that I know that people are creatures of habit. Again this case is important enough that all the facts of both Dunn and these Kids should be thoroughly dug up." <=== They were four times and a jury and three appeals courts sided with the original judge. Unless Dunn can wait ten years and dig up large sums of money to take it to the United States Supreme Court, Dunn is done!
3 likes@johnb66y "Third 90 years was absurd there was no premeditation and there was probable provocation." <=== There is no length limit on premeditation, so first degree murder was a valid charge since Dunn argued with the teens prior to the shooting.
2 likesPS: since you say that Dunn has no record of hatred towards blacks; note, none of the three surviving teens (now young adults) have been arrested for any crimes since they were assaulted by Dunn. That should be noted as well verses your brownnosing of Michelle Dunn.
@johnb66y "My beliefs are based upon logic and the information so far that has be brought forward If you have any Facts that would logically invalidate my beliefs please put them forward." <=== Permit cpl owners have to report all shootings to the police a.s.a.p. Of course there is a clause that the shooter is allowed to flee to a safe position BUT, they still have to report the shooting. I will be very generous and give Dunn to retreat to the safety of his Hotel room, but upon his arrival to his room, he had no legal excuse to not report and meet with the police. After that - Michael Dunn was a fleeing felon - period. So there is the proof that Dunn had no self-defense case - the fact that he negated his training and did not report the shooting.
2 likesPS: your logic is as good as your spelling, which is nonexistent!
Reading below for Autonomous to be torn down by facts and still be as dense as a brick. Cognitive distancing at its finest.
3 likes@Captain Freedom "If reasonable people like you or me have doubts about his guilt, then Dunn should have been found not guilty." <=== and we are suppose to put our faith in you and Autonomous thought when Michelle Dunn lost all three appeals. I have a bridge to sell you then.
1 like@Bill Wilson "Just be respectful and turn the music down. It's really that simple." <=== And if the people with the loud music ignore you (then show some class and), ignore them!
1 like@Alfred Indy: It's rather difficult to "ignore" loud music. Read the entire thread, princess.
0 likes@Bill Wilson I did! Yes, the teens did act disrespectful. No, the situation did not need to be escalated - princess!
2 likesBefore you make remarks about people's manhood - have you listened to Michelle Dunn's voice lately? Can you spell Girlyman?
@Conor Williamson 🤣
0 likesIt's the worst best day of your life
0 likes@Autonomous Thought lmao its insane that you keep talking about "facts and evidence" when none of the evidence or witnesses line up with Dunn's ridiculous story lol.
5 likes@Stewie G The fact that Dunn has appealed all the way up to the State Supreme Court and the FACT that no court takes his "threatened with a gun" seriously, is proof enough for any logical person that Dunn was lying.
0 likesThis they were afraid of riots means that I cannot argue with the true told by the courts.
Damn..all the years I've known about this case for years and that never even crossed my mind..that would be messed up
0 likes@Left.Inland All you should know is that Michael Dunn was rightfully convicted and the appeals courts all agree with his conviction.
0 likes@Alfred Indy Your reply has nothing to do with my comment. ..Zero.
3 likesMy reply was to the fact that Dunn's son will relive this incident every time he celebrates his own wedding anniversary.
Do I believe the teens brandished a weapon..no..
do I think the shooting was justified..no
I'll even take it a step further and say he wouldn't even of asked them to turn the music down had there not been a pistol in his glove box. There..now your comment can have some relevance
@Left.Inland Good! This thread is huge and the latest posts have been from nimrod trolls, so I thought that you were commenting on those idiotic remarks. I apologize! I can see you are one of the intelligent posters.
2 likes@Alfred Indy I appreciate that..
2 likesa real case to look at is the
Christopher Childress shooting by Cortez Waller. Cortez was sleeping with Chris's wife at their job. She quit the job and tried to work it out. When the men ran into each other on the street Chris ran up to Cortez and Cortez shot him..before a glove was placed on him. Cortez Waller was found not guilty. I'll let you look up the case to see why ppl didn't riot.
@Left.Inland To state that three appeals courts sided with the district court because they were afraid of riots is just plain stupid. Look at the other court cases which the Supreme Court has sided on whether the people liked the decision or not. The justices are well protected and they do not have to worry about their own safety.
0 likesWhen I hear someone say Michael Dunn was convicted because the system was worried about riots - I realize that the person posting it has not valid debating point to use and is making an excuse up.
@Left.Inland I read your case and I think that the jury came to the wrong decision, but I have to accept the outcome because you cannot try a person twice for the same crime. However, Michelle Dunn got the correct sentence and lost three appeals. People who conclude that this case was self-defense do not know the meaning of self-defense.
0 likesTo use this case to justify that there may have been a gun in Jordan Davis's van is idiotic at best. Notice the man in this case who was acquitted turned himself into LE right away. So the two cases cannot be compared. Only guilty people run!
So your troll set up is a waste of bandwidth! Michelle Dunn is where he should be.
@Left.Inland There was no comparison between the case you cited and this case. The fact that the shooter turned himself into the police right away is night and day compared to the Jordan Davis murder case. Also, compare the states which they occurred. Florida was among the most lenient stand your ground states. Unfortunately for Florida - they had stupid people testing the limits of the new law.
0 likescommenters
@Alfred Indy like I daid..I was making reference to the fact that the uproar would be different ...key word..different..if the roles were switched. And there you are in left field reading something that isnt there...
1 likeJust give up bro..seriously
@Left.Inland " I appreciate that..
0 likesa real case to look at is the
Christopher Childress shooting by Cortez Waller. Cortez was sleeping with Chris's wife at their job. She quit the job and tried to work it out. When the men ran into each other on the street Chris ran up to Cortez and Cortez shot him..before a glove was placed on him. Cortez Waller was found not guilty. I'll let you look up the case to see why ppl didn't riot." <=== Not me! The whole reason I responded is because you were too lazy to cut and paste to the original comment you were referring to. I cannot help it you don't take the time to point out who you are responding to.
@Left.Inland "Damn..all the years I've known about this case for years and that never even crossed my mind..that would be messed up" <=== You don't even post to the person you are responding to and make it look like you are commenting to the mess at the bottom of the thread. Maybe you should be less vague if you cannot stand people getting off topic.
0 likes@Alfred Indy I responded to one person about the sons wedding..any reply to the Brian Davis will be at the bottom playa..we were in his thread therefore making any comment a response to the core comment..pretty simple..never directed anything at ppl in the side discussion. Maybe you should pay attention
1 like@Left.Inland I know that cut n paste takes more effort so my apologies. Whenever I see a comment with no name included and it is highlighted I take it as a post to the group.
0 likesYou make a big deal out of additional thoughts to comments which is kind of ignorant on your part when you have spelling errors and fragments as sentences. I will leave it alone now. But if I am an ahole then you are one in the same. Now leave the immaturity alone and post to whoever you want.
@Autonomous Thought well this is why we have a justice system. They did the work. Brought out the facts. That's kind of how this sort of thing works, you know? Lol. Your whole statement hold no water whatsoever.
3 likes@Dyno Hrnic The most idiotic excuse was suppression fire to keep their heads down. I cannot believe anyone would use such a unreasonable and idiot statement like that.
0 likes@Autonomous Thought heres something that logically refutes what you said, according to the pig on the stand they werent" conversating it was more of a yelling he could hear with his windows up" way to watch the video.
2 likes@Autonomous Thought Also, to say it isn’t about race clearly means you haven’t looked into the case. Google his letters sent from prison. They all say things like “all whites should arm themselves against the black menace” “I hope the next county picks up this case because it is predominantly republican and white and they’re pro guns”
2 likes@mumfurds yes..Father of the groom
0 likesShhhhhhhiiii-
0 likes@Autonomous Thought Is that why Michael was sentenced to life in prison without parole? The judge and jury found him guilty. He’ll have to spend the rest of his life in prison.
1 like@christine robinson Is that why Michael was sentenced to life in prison without parole? The judge and jury found him guilty. He’ll spend the rest of his life in prison.
0 likesAnd he had only seen his father three times in the past 15 years!
0 likes@Kevin Zhu Cute dog, Calvin! Is that a husky? I got a Labrador.
0 likesBruh must have been a really quiet wedding that
0 likes@Danielle Calderwood Preach. PREACH.
0 likes@Autonomous Thought It is very funny to see how you are getting done in this comment section. Every answer you're getting is against your reasoning precisely because you're wrong and you're analyzing things from a frustated and kind of narcisistic point of view; I would even daré to say immoral. I barely read one of your comments and had to drop it when you were practically implying that you are extremely intelligent and that you are an expert on logic. Believe it or not, it doesn't show at all. And the worst part is that it doesn't matter how many people answer to you with the evidence on this case, you're incapable of accepting that you're wrong and you messed up. Very clever.
6 likes@Filip Raos this is the best destruction comment of all time hands down. Fair play! 👏
0 likes@broquest warsneeder THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WAS THINKINGGG except, lahey is more likely to get piss ass drunk and kill a guy over music rather than a flustered randy
0 likes@Autonomous Thought you’re definitely not thinking autonomously m when you’re parroting phrases like ‘facts and logic’
2 likes@Autonomous Thought Uhm, id respect your talking points more if they weren’t just a regurgitation of other people’s and they showed a semblance of independent analytical thought. I go to the most competitive university in the world, my IQ is high enough 😊
1 like@Autonomous Thought "someone good at logic" 😂😂 yeah sure buddy what are you 12 and watched one Ben Shapiro video?
5 likesSheeeesh that sucks
0 likesOuuuuu.... goood point wow...
0 likes@Autonomous Thought wait.. y the fuck would the kids pretend to have a gun?
3 likes@Autonomous Thought hmm, did u just unironically imply that ur an extremely logical and intelligent person? i was reading into ur comments to possibly agree but thats uh... quite the ego u have.
4 likes@Just Another Happy Humanist exactly! now i dont have to comment the same thing lol
0 likes@j dub well shit, it happened
0 likeslol
0 likes@Autonomous Thought ... lol they found a gun? Did they not try to escape? I don’t understand how you can stand up for him when his own fiancé didn’t.
2 likesPolly divorce eventually xD
0 likesThat bastard thug music!
0 likes@Autonomous Thought stop watching ben shapiro lol
6 likes@Autonomous Thought so wait is your argument still “we don’t know for 100% sure that the kid didn’t have a gun”? As if proving a negative is possible?
2 likes@Autonomous Thought great comment and great name
0 likes@Autonomous Thought well saidddddddd
0 likes@A CJ Why, ? Because his ideas are not like those of the masses ?
0 likes@Danielle Calderwood He didnt defend anyone ...He just keeps an open, and logical mind....
0 likes@Autonomous Thought yes, indeed
0 likes@sleep on dirt What a very ignorant comment....
0 likes@Autonomous Thought They dont get you, Autonomous....Your comments are like a breath of fresh air...
0 likes@Autonomous Thought yes, it is
0 likes@Evy Courtney you should rlly get out more
2 likesGreat reception tho...
0 likes@Autonomous Thought yikes. What drugs are you on?
3 likes@Autonomous Thought yikes man. Think you “ignored” certain parts of the video you didn’t like lol. Might need to review again, but not add your own filter.
3 likesCame here to say this 💀😂🤣
0 likesYo
0 likes@Autonomous Thought There's no evidence for any of the kids threatening the guy and evidence against both that and them being armed in the first place. There is, however, evidence for an adult man calling music 'thug music' on the basis of fucking nothing but the appearance of teenagers I guess, and evidence for an adult man killing a minor over music. I will agree, the teenager ran his mouth ['you cant tell me what to do'] but given the age and the adult man escalating the situation, this is a minor thing that doesn't warrant this response.
1 likeIf you want to suggest otherwise please site your sources as your claims make the burden of proof fall on you, I'm simply reciting what's from the video.
Following claims made by you [original comment]:
'he killed him for threatening him [no evidence], not playing loud music, try to keep up with facts and logic and not just your emotions [no evidence, gas lightly]. it's not proven either way that the kid did or didn't have a gun [it's been proven by witnesses from both parties in the video], or that the kid did or didn't threaten to kill him [opposite proven by witnesses in the video], or that the kid did or didn't pretend he had a gun while threatening to kill him. this case is a lot more nuanced than you're portraying and it's immoral for you to attribute more malice than is evident to the accused, just like in your imaginary scenario of events the accused is wrong for falsely attributing malice to the kid, hypocrite'
@Autonomous Thought >'You keep using the phrase "irrational and immoral". Why? What makes an argument "immoral"? What is morality to you? You should avoid using such subjective language if you're attempting to make an argument from objectivity. What you've argued so far isn't compelling. There was enough evidence from the interrogation, the witnesses, and the crime scene itself to make a case for the suspect's motive. Rejecting evidence is irrational.'
3 likes-questioning openly and providing evidence, making points against your claim
>' there definitely isn't substantial evidence, what are you talking about? and what a completely nonsensical thing to say. what i'm calling immoral is objectively immoral, as long as you subjectively agree that adhering to truth is better than not adhering to truth. you disagree on that subjective premise? you think questioning that subjective premise is actually a substantial argument? are you new to thinking about morality? cuz literally everything else you said to me implies that you agree that adhering to truth is superior to not adhering to truth, although maybe not, because you are pretty bad at it'
-attacks the person, not the points
-doesn't answer the questions or explain themselves, just claims that you're right because you are
-'i am truth'
-ignores evidence suggesting otherwise to their claims
@Danielle Calderwood The detective said in the video that the guys admitted to saying that they were gonna kill him
0 likeslmao he left his sons wedding early just to go home and walk his dog...he has a terrible relationship with him most likely especially considering he said his dog is his child during the trial and didn't mention once about his actual kid.
1 like@Autonomous Thought your racism is showing
3 likes@2122 I just want you know that I admire you.
0 likes@Autonomous Thought My dude defending a racist murderer by ignoring shit presented in the video is not the good look you think it is
3 likes@Autonomous Thought You are what a living fedora would speak like
1 like@Autonomous Thought But you understood what the other person was saying. You're being a hypocrite, because you were the person to bring up grammar in the first place.
2 likes@Clark Kent No. Go away, thanks
0 likes@Anil But she's his daughter. Obviously, she would hold a biased opinion of him
0 likes@Kyle Marshall I'm not Muslim, but that definitely does not happen in Islam. Get your sh*t straight, my guy
0 likes@mainlymusicman They were teenagers. Not thugs, ffs
0 likes@Bill Wilson But why? They weren't gonna be there for long and the dude is an adult. He should've been able to deal with it for a few minutes
0 likes@Evy Courtney What was logical about anything they said? Just stop watching Ben Shapiro, it'll do you some good. I promise 🖤
0 likes@Autonomous Thought "as someone really good at logic" "derive serotonin response without merit" lol I wish I was as smart as you think you are. Do me a favor and explain what you were trying to get across with that "derive serotonin response without merit" line because A) I think you're confusing 5-hydroxytryptamine (5ht/serotonin) with dopamine and B) "derive serotonin response" is not a thing. So ironic that Mr corrects-grammar would use a completely nonsensical string of words in attempt to seem smarter.
5 likes@Speccy SquareGoLike: Your question tells me you haven't read the entire thread. The answer lies within, my friend.
0 likes@Bill Wilson Your response tells me that you're being ignorant. My reply is clear. I read the whole thread and watched the video. You just don't have a proper answer for my question, which is why you're avoiding it.
0 likesThat must suck...
0 likesIf they would of kept the music off for another 60 seconds all that could of been prevented but noooo someone had to be a tough guy and turn the music up again.
1 like@Autonomous Thought found him guys!! I found the racist 👆👆
3 likes@2pacalypse: THANK YOU for your common sense statement and kudos to whoever raised you!
0 likes@Autonomous Thought Saying rap is "largely thug music" in and of itself is a racist generalization, so there's that.
2 likesStop it
0 likes😮😥
0 likesHis dad was a racist. He murdered a kid.
0 likes*killed a kid
0 likesLiterally just commenting to fuck up the 420. Also lmao tru
0 likesMan this deep
0 likesOof size: large
0 likesKilled a child at that
0 likes😢
0 likes@Autonomous Thought lololol I can't believe that you actually believe that the police would lie to PROTECT a black man
3 likes@Parrot Pirate why did she kill him?
0 likes@Diener Christi top tier comment ngl
0 likesMust certainly make for an awkward anniversary…..
0 likes@Autonomous Thought criiiiiiinge. Never met a person who extoles their own logical skills and intelligence who was anything but a bag of hot air, sniffing their own farts
3 likes@Autonomous Thought You say Its not proven even tho they said that there wasnt even a fucking water gun in the car. Everything in this case was confirmed.
4 likes@mumfurds it was his son's wedding
0 likes@Autonomous Thought you keep saying evidence and logic but you’re literally ignoring the evidence and the logic 😶
4 likesi guess the male equivilant to a karen should be a mike now
0 likes😭😭😭😭☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️
0 likesYou're not capitalizing words correctly in your responses.
1 like@Autonomous Thought it was proven they didn't have a gun though because no gun was ever found in the vehicle or on the gas station premises. It was also proven that they never threatened to kill him from 3rd party witness testimony. Lay off the crack bud.
3 likes@christine robinson - I would have to argue that no, she is obviously not easily manipulated.
0 likes@Cecil Yi
0 likes"LeArN rEsSPeCt"
It's public, who cares? There wasn't a sign that said "no loud music allowed" 😂
his son is probably racist as well ebcause that's how he was raised and thinks of his father as the victim. Same for the girlfriend, idk why people feel sorry for her.
0 likes@Taylor Fausett 🤦🏽🤦🏽🤦🏽🤦🏽🤦🏽🤦🏽🤦🏽🤦🏽
0 likes@Autonomous Thought late but
1 likeThe video itself stated he was just twisting the story to make himself look like the victim/to make it seem like he was just acting out of self defense
@Autonomous Thought Well I see someone didn't get beaten enough as a child.
1 like@Autonomous Thought this comment right here officer
1 likeSomeone's dad who's a cop have killed a victim who reached for his phone. They'll remember that too but in contrary, the dad is not in jail.
0 likes@Autonomous Thought they cant be wrong when you have proven anything. And its the comments not an essay boomer. I dont have to type an apostrophe if I dont have to. Youll understand what I mean just fine. Just use that declining brain of yours
1 likeDivorced probably
0 likes@Pluto101 were those emojis your attempt at empathy? Jesus Christ.
0 likes@Autonomous Thought rewatch the video please
1 like@Autonomous Thought cos he's literally a racist ?? it was def motivated on race
1 like@Autonomous Thought none of these terrible, pointless deaths and ludicrous confrontational situations would happen if people didn't have rampant access to guns.
1 likeWhy does this not get said more often?
It seems really clear cut to me, and to millions of people in my country, where these kinds of murders very, very rarely occur.
In addition, given the possible grey areas, of this case happened here, the culprit would be jailed for some years, in recognition of his crime and massive lack of judgement, but not for the rest of his life.
Basically most of these videos teach us to not move to Florida 😂
1 likeA CHILD’s LIFE WAS LOST
1 likeAmazing...they were all good kids.
0 likes"did you hurt anyone?" "No I just shot at them"
0 likes“I hate “thug” music, so to prove my point I shot an unarmed minor in a parking lot”
3373 likesGood defense my guy.
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"Black kid play the shooty bang music, I had to defend myself."
243 likes@ivan The irony 🤣🤣
20 likesAlmost like it’s not the “thug” music that he hates.
68 likesJake Yates Fox News be like
9 likes😲😲😲
0 likesI don't think he said the word thug I think he used the n word. Because the way she pauses
29 likes100% this dude said “n word music” I can just hear it coming out of his mouth.
35 likes@R Collins Agree .How else would a middle age white dude categorize it.
2 likesShut up for 5 minutes and tolerate you are not the only one around. Short unpleasant moments don't require 10 pumped into fully occupied vehicle and drive away.
Now imagine there was a shotgun.
0 likes@2and900 - War Thunder Weekly and you pull pulls the race card .....
2 likes@Pat Bigglesworth Except there is no evidence that it was self defence.
17 likesHe claims that the victims threatened him, but that's just him trying to save his own ass.
@Pat Bigglesworth you ARE a Micheal Dunn.
14 likes@Pat Bigglesworth like did u even watch this video or you’re just blindly confessing to your own racism
13 likesUno reverse thuggery
1 like@2and900 - War Thunder Weekly lol
0 likes@ivan Right? The irony is painful. Dude is worse than the thing he hates times 500. Horrible shit.
2 likesthose who listen to "thug music" have criminal behavior and experience showed us that eventually they do commit all sorts of crime.
3 likesso... idk, i side with the Dunn here.
@it'sMe TheHerpes You just made an absurdly untrue and laughably racist generalization, made even worse by the fact they literal had no criminal record, yet you tried to justify killing them with “well they’d EVENTUALLY commit a crime”;
18 likesso it makes sense you’d side with him.
@renee oh really ? "racist" ? lol strange of you o say that, since i mentioned no race in my comment.
1 likewhat are you implying here, that the word "criminal = black" ? because all i said is that future thugs listen to crmininal music, and all of a sudden you associated that with blacks, and then called me racist 😂 🤣
@DeDe boy you're mad at life, aren't you ? lol. it's not my fault you amount to nothing, you know ?
2 likesI don’t know I think he’s just like anybody else so if you player thug music loud you can expect to be shot that’s how life is
1 like@DeDe sure, take care. don't do anything stupid now, ok ?
1 like@it'sMe TheHerpes what makes a song Criminal please tell me how listening to a song makes you a thug he shot an innocent unarmed 17 year old kid who's only crime was listening to music loud something almost everyone that age does
6 likes@Shanobian I think he probably did, fittingly, because that's exactly how they acted.
0 likes@Craft Lawrence yeah right... "innocent 17 year old" sure... the poor lad was in church when that happened right ? helping the poor maybe ? lol. get a grip of yourself.
1 like@it'sMe TheHerpes he was seventeen he didn't have the chance to live his life to know what he wanted to be or who he was he didn't get to find out because he was killed by someone who obviously feels no remorse
4 likes@Craft Lawrence you're biased, and it's obvious.
0 likes@it'sMe TheHerpes yes I'm biased he shot a 17 year old unarmed kid I'm going to be biased against anyone shooting a unarmed kid and yes at 17 you are a kid
6 likes@twocents oh i can assure you that i do not listen to music with profanities that encourages people to crime.
0 likes@it'sMe TheHerpes So because they listen to a certain type of music they deserved to die? I listen to rap music and I'm just a normal guy who likes video games and movies. Does that make me a potential criminal who should be shot before he even committed a crime???
7 likesI hate Red Hot Chili Peppers and yet I easily manage not to shoot my dad when he plays it hour after hour.
1 like@Moomyung lol, honey how old are you ? just out of curiosity
0 likes@Nick Z i never said that, you did. see ? the hip hop in you is already showing. you listen to crap music, you have crappy thoughts.
1 likeNarcissism is an American value
2 likesIt’s ironic, hates thug music but is a thug himself.
3 likes@twocents first of all, i never said killing someone for music is ok, and this shooting was not about music, was abut a bunch of violent teens who don't have any regards for anyone around them.
1 likesecond, would it be bad to live in an all white society ? i mean... all i see is people who want to move in all white countries. so it means that... something is good onside a white society, ey ?
you never see people want to migrate to other places. logically, it means that where ever there is a majority of whites, it's good.
@Jonathan Francis that is interesting and somewhat disturbing. but... you are on to something here.
2 likes@Jack Henderson that's some irony right there
0 likes@it'sMe TheHerpes
1 likeSo do I
Chances are, the man saved the lives of MANY people by taking that thug out of the equation
They gave him the black detective for a reason 😂
1 likeIt's insane, because they even turned the music down after he asked them.
2 likes@Long TaLLhow was he a thug he was an innocent 17 year old unarmed kid who was shot because he liked a type of music and listening to it loudly witch most kids do
3 likes@Tevo77777 they turned it up a second time (fact not taking racist bros side)
0 likes@Gorest Fump One guy turned it down, and another asked for it to go back up or turned it back up.
1 likeSo one guy at least tried to turn the music down.
Also, after you ask someone to turn down their music, you say thanks.
@Tevo77777 they did say thanks and what you said is exactly what I typed bro quit goofin
0 likes@Craft Lawrence again let me tell you : innocent 17 year olds don't go around offending people, and threatening to kill them.
0 likes@twocents no, he would not go to jail. what would happen is : he calls the police, and the police will handle you in their manner, most likely by teasing and shooting you. 2 police officers in front of 4 thugs listening to crime music ? lol, the cops would start blasting their guns the second they got there.
0 likes@Craft Lawrence ok, let's say they didn't. still their behavior was menacing. come on man... quit the bias and realize that the thugs in the car were not in the right. i am not saying that shooting them was the best course of action, but the ones in the car were not ok either.
0 likesthere are no victims here, they are both in the wrong.
@willie schoeman this case is entirely about race. look at his letters from jail and you’ll see exactly how racially motivated this is.
0 likes@it'sMe TheHerpes Teenagers in that car had no track record of crime , as told by the detective ... don't say both were wrong !!WTH!! there is only one victim here and it's the kid who lost his life !!
1 like@it'sMe TheHerpesU seem lack sympathy to the person who lost his life. Watch the vedio , the teenagers did not do anything other than verbal abuse. Verbal abuse is level 1. Murdering a person is level 10000 don't u understand?.. I am not biased , I am just a law student who loves to watch this channel... I keep a neutral perspective on everything. What did he do to deserve this ? u must be sick to support the murderer .. anyway I'm happy he is prison.
1 like@it'sMe TheHerpes what about the kid who shoot up a school on this channel what was he listening to again. And thats the same as saying video games make people violent or movies
1 like@Game Boyz006 you don't know what you are talking about. who ever told you that your opinion on this subject matters, was lying to you.
0 likes@it'sMe TheHerpes He knows alot more than you and is bringing up facts witch you aren't so his matters more than yours
0 likes'unarmed minor' threatening to kill me would get the same treatment, regardless of what skin color they might me.
1 like@it'sMe TheHerpes when you’re referring to “thug music” are you saying hip hop? because everyone listens to hip hop, not just “thugs” all people. music is universal, and listening to hip hop doesn’t make you a criminal. music is simply entertainment. and you say you’re siding with the guy who felt so entitled to make young kids turn their music down in public, and killed them. you’re siding with someone who fired ten shots over music? how disgusting.
0 likes@GermanGDragon why even imagine though?
0 likes@it'sMe TheHerpes as are You ? So what now ? Playing purposefully obtuse when confronted about the fact that you are defending a murderer by saying anyone who listens to rap will eventually commit a crime, thus calling the people literally deemed innocent by the law youre claiming to defend criminals
0 likes@Mauree Golden again i am telling you, this shooting was not about music. it's about those "teens" making that guy feel unsafe.
0 likeswhat was the purpose of shooting at the door....to save my life?.......from a door? LOL
1 likeDetective play it right with the music been playing before they come park next to them.
0 likesgood job Detective
17:58 tries to lie, realizes how easily disproven he'll be, backpedals
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he forgot that important line at 00:01 "I want my lawyer"
0 likes@fred bloggs what a poignant obversation noone has made yet fantastic job
1 like@Servers Lol it's because I am a legal genius. But, the point is well made because none of these dills ever seem to grasp it.
0 likes@Servers Btw if you give me any more sass I'll jump out blasting
0 likesgets told hes being charged with murder and attempted murder
0 likes"that sucks"
yeah no shit
I love how the detectives allows Michael to dig his own grave deeper.
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Passed him the shovel and he didn't even question it, dude just started digging.
94 likesThey always do
21 likesThe biggest thing I take from this video is that you STAY ABSOLUTELY SILENT if have no attorney yet.
48 likesThat's their job, and a FINE job they did...
17 likesYes!
1 likeThat’s what they want. For you to confess as much as possible.
1 likeAs they say, it can all be used in court.
You say that like that's not common practice
2 likesThat’s Their job..
0 likesIt's how you play the game, and those two detectives play the game very very well. I love it when the one detective says "And here's where I bet a year of my salary..." because he's so confident that they've got him dead to rights.
2 likesI always feel that's kinda dirty to do that before he gets legal counsel but then I remember they totally deserve it and i say go for it
0 likes@Victor Jimenez It just shows how detached from reality he is to think he was in the right for the actions he took.
2 likes@AuroraMarie Claire still wouldn’t have helped this guy lol
0 likes@AuroraMarie Claire or don't kill anyone
1 likeWell no duh
0 likesAllow.
0 likesIt's kind of hard to not dig when you just "know" you're the victim.
0 likesListen to Michael "(I)MDunn" Dunn's tracks "Excuse Me, Can You Turn Dat Down" and "Sticka Shank In Me, I'm Dunn"
0 likesI’m surprised he didn’t finish off the mag, if he was so scared.
0 likesThat was fucking amazing
0 likesNote to self even if I get questioned about Jay walking ....request council!
0 likesWhat a psycho. At one point I thought this guy was in a drunken rage and just trying to look like a tough guy, but the 10 shots is pretty damning. He really intentionally killed someone because they cussed him out. Even if they had threatened him (which they didn’t) he still would’ve been guilty. He should have just left. What a moron. Thank God he’s locked away now.
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It doesn't take much to pop off ten shots with a semi-auto though. Not that I don't agree with your general point.
0 likesThe phone call in the beginning is interesting because you can see exactly how he reframed what really happened in his mind and how he in some way takes pride in it: he calls himself the “victor” and he’s still thinks he’s the “victim.” It’s crazy.
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that's what it feels like to fight your life and win, victim --> victor
4 likesSome people say victor, others say victim, I say convict. Tomato...
28 likesHe killed a kid, and calls himself a victor. Hope he never gets out.
20 likesJohn Sexton he won’t get out. He’s serving life without parole plus 90 years. Justice was served. The real justice would be America having stricter gun laws and a young boy wouldn’t have lost his life.
9 likes@SuperAussieOi Trueee
4 likesi know right
0 likes@SuperAussieOi truer words were never spoken.
0 likesVictors can be victims though. IN THIS CASE NAH
2 likesI deadass believe if something happens and early enough on you tell yourself, others when you recount it, a different version that's how your brain will start to remember it. Something with how recount memories I'm telling you its how people go all delusional lol
0 likesa true racist sees black people and minorities as just criminals with no recourse since birth, he has probably fully justified it. it is totally crazy
0 likes"Kids" doesn't really mean much . To somebody who is 46 calling 20 year olds "kids" isn't that odd. Heck I'm 35, my brother is 22 and I call him and his friends "kids" all the time
1 like"the law doesnt allow me to shoot someone just because i think they have a gun" it does if youre a cop
4 likesI don’t know how many kids are in there…
0 likesLater: I didn’t know they were kids I thought they were grown men
I can't get over how hard he sounds like Collin Robinson.
0 likesEveryone’s talking about how bad it was for Rhonda (no doubt it was agonising) but I can’t even BEGIN to imagine the monumental pain and grief of Jordan’s family. I don’t know how you live life after the senseless murder of your child
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His mom is a congresswoman, Lucy McBath. Apparently, life has thrown the book at her many times, as not only was her son murdered, but she's also had breast cancer twice.
54 likes@Wings of Castiel She had another son who also died, in 1993.
27 likesThat’s exactly what I was thinking about all those comments.She must have been aware of this mans character,who would even think to cause an action as insane & racist as this to come to pass & she FREELY CHOSE TO GET ENGAGED TO A PSYCHOPATH RACIST!!SHE IS NOT THE VICTIM IN ANYWAY.She’s as much of a victim as she is a perpetrator of the crime!Which in other words makes her neither a victim or a criminal.She made a huge mistake in judge of character when she chose to agree to get engaged to a racist murderer!Only the kids in the car & the teenager whose existence was taken from him just for acting like a teenager with a cheeky mouth like 99.9% of teenagers worldwide,he & his family.They are the victims nobody else!
18 likes@PepperKettle┊ˊˎ- ☆ that’s why a put she wasn’t a perpetrator or victim,I said she was neither victim or perpetrator,she made a huge mistake by being with that psycho’.I wasn’t saying she was responsible for his actions
3 likesIt's not a contest though. Pain is universal and there is lots to go around with this story. One person's pain does not invalidate another's. RIP to Jordan.
8 likes@Moon HODLer Er ok. That's your only response huh. Yeah it figures, since you have no other proof of your ridiculous claims
2 likesRhonda was mikes beard.
1 like@Eugene Caldwell your comment would be true if they started talking shit to him first... I agree you never run your mouth at random people for no reason...but that’s not how this happened. This man initiated with them first about their music. HE could have minded HIS own business and went the fuck on with his night.... but no he just had to say something to those kids. Ugh
1 like@Suzy Rottencrotch username checks out.
3 likes@Bert Bertsson Jordan should have brought the heater. If you’re going to commit a crime like disorderly conduct then it’s not that far out of the scope of imagination for someone to commit another crime against you
0 likes@starry night I didn’t say that I just said Fuck around lay around
0 likes@Michael O this is a story about a little boy who died and 99% of the comments are talking about rhonda
1 like@Moon HODLer it’s not rampant systemic racism. Reparations lol. Why don’t you go to work for a white person for a year or two and then you can apply for reparations
0 likes@Suzy Rottencrotch There was no instance of disorderly conduct. Playing music loudly in a public gas station parking lot does not constitute disorderly conduct. Especially since he turned the music down after being asked to do so.
0 likes@I27T I84 white privilege, plain and simple. People would rather focus on the pain of a white whiteness than that of a black victim.
0 likes@Eugene Caldwell Victim blaming at its finest.
0 likes@socillizt4life exactly! Why is the white woman always the victim?
0 likesHe should have recited Pastor Troy “Help Me Rhonda” lyrics
0 likes😌😌😌
Dame unloaded the clip at them for playing loud music and not accepting to turn down the music that's nuts literally shot at for nothing on top of all that left the scene of the crime
0 likesputting aside everything else, how is a stick a weapon.....
1 likeWhy the hell would you have this guy testify?
1 likeHomeboy could have just blasted his favorite AM talk radio station and had a noise battle like an adult
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Yes, exactly.. the adult way, that's what adults do.
77 likeslol funny as hell. It'd be Rush Limbaugh or some shit lol
19 likes@Ruin your childhood Don't misunderstand me. Where I come neither is acceptable nor tolerated by society. For my nation this event is unimaginable.
3 likesThe most anyone would do is comment on the taste of music passive-aggressively.
Yes 🤣 I blast my hair bands 😅 whenever I hear rap playing.
3 likes@vinsanity982 LOL Or Dave Ramsey, "A budget is telling your money where to go, instead of wondering where it went . . . "
5 likesThey need to be done away with, he's a hero
2 likesHe should have just chilled and listened to fresh air. Wtf
2 likes@dragonclaws it should be the government doing what he did on a mass scale, he has my sympathies. My prayers are with him
1 likeRuin your childhood fun lnnnnq
0 likesE q
@Artis LALALALA CAN'T HEAR YOU ARE TALKING BUT I CAN'T HEAR YOU LALALALA!!!
0 likesI love talk radio. Lol
0 likesRuin your childhood wise words
0 likesNPR...
0 likesRight? When someone's playing really loud music at a red light or something, I blast mine right back. Story 2 beats whatever shit you got fam. But never, never, EVER, would it occur to me to even SAY anything to them, and NEVER fucking shoot them. Dude's a sociopath who wanted to be a vigilante hero.
3 likesSam Adams hahahah be quiet.
0 likesTrue lol
0 likesBest comment
1 likelol thats awesome and a duel after
0 likes@Sam Adams nobody gave this troll attention? Guess i will
0 likesHe was such a gentleman sending the love of his life into the store by herself at night at a strange gas station.
3 likesThink of it this way... how do you think you would do if you played some one-on-one with any professional basketball player... not so good i would think... so why do these people think they can out strategize/think people who do interrogations for a living...
0 likesA son didn't return home that night, him, his whole family and everyone around him, punished for the crime of hearing "too loud" music. What a revolting episode.
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Killed for nothing man!
22 likesNo worries, not like he had any parents around
8 likesThey probably did say something and acted like young thugs. Lets not kid ourselfes here. It still doesnt resolve him though
9 likes@Robert Jušić: Did you miss the fact that there were several witnesses, including the mans fiancé?
46 likesHe had 4 or 5 or more drinks in him.......hates rap and black folks and was probably looking to be a badass........ Ruined his life and the victims.
45 likesIts disgusting and truly so sad, this dude needs to rot
14 likesIt makes me so mad!!
7 likesRobert Ri where did they act like thugs though?? They were literally only listening to music a little bit loud, there was no altercation..Mike started it.
23 likes@Z Rosaleen i mean, we only have this limited perspective on the subject. We dont know how anyone was acting besides what everyone is saying happened.
4 likesNot saying anyone was "thuggish" or anyone was being racist, im trying to be neutral in stating that none of us were there, testimony can be biased, and witness testimony can be insanely flawed due to biases in the incident as well as in the person giving the testimony.
Regardless, this was a stupid, stupid altercation over stupid, stupid bullshit.
You mean punished for the crime of being black. This guy is a racist and this was entirely motivated by his hatred of people different than him. He probably loves his own music loud.
9 likes@Robert Jušić Your grasp of this situation seems to be as accurate as your ability to spell "ourselves".
4 likesYou also don't seem to understand what the word "resolve" means. Maybe just be quiet.
@Mellow Yello nothing that went down in that parking lot warranted those teens being shot at. Literally nothing they weren't trying to hurt him whatsoever
1 likeRobert Ri soo?? That still doesn’t justify him shooting at them
1 likePaul Caruso Is this meant to be English? 😬
1 like@Robert Jušić playing any music, doesn't equal death, playing country music doesn't mean that I'm going to go out and kill horses.
0 likesThe shooting was completely unjustified, but leaving the scene after discharging a firearm is unbelievable even if he thought something had justified it.
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I know, right? I remain at the scene if I'm leaving walmart and something in my bag that I paid for sets of the alarm.
10 likesMakerInMotion LOL same
2 likesThe fiancée is amazing in this. She spoke up against her lover. She didn’t lie and she ended up putting this terrible guy away.
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I don't see many people talking about this. You might think it's like 'Well yeah, of course any decent person would tell the truth.' But she threw away any chance of salvaging the life she used to have by testifying truthfully. And before anyone goes 'Well yeah but the boy's parent have it harder.' Yeah I get that. It's not the pain Olympics, there can be more than one victim and we can be grateful that she chose justice over the 'easy' path.
109 likesThey had her strung up as an accomplice (whether BS or not) so she obviously panicked and squealed. She could have taken the 5th and not talked.
8 likesShe didn't speak against him; she just told the truth as best as she knows it.
14 likes@TheBuddyGamer her life was probably shit anyway. The dude said, “I hate that thug music” and she just reply’s, “yes I know” I would argue that she hated her life and only stayed with him out of fear she was too old to find someone else, or not wanting to deal with a break up. They knew each other for 6 years but had only been together for 6 months, so this tells me they probably both decided to get together because neither of them had a chance with anyone else.
1 like@TheBuddyGamer well said bro
0 likes@Mitchell Nova yea her life was probably improved not having him in it anymore, locked away in jail
0 likesfor all the guilty perpetrators out there: please talk to the police just like this guy did, and no you absolutely don't need to lawyer up :)
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Hopefully these videos dissuade people from committing a crime. As it shows the weak and pathetic state the perpetrators are in at the end when they are caught.
47 likesthat dont rly apply to drugs and other victimless crimes, but i agree with the sentiment. rapists and murderers should hang, not rot in a cell.
20 likesGood answer, #Binary. This world would be a better place if more perps took that advice. :-)
3 likesLol I always state that outloud!
1 like@Анастасия Сенцова ?? Red flag... Please go see yourself. Call a psychologist.
1 likeTHANK YOU
0 likes@bruh standler selling drugs should still be criminalized.
0 likes@Lukas The Dark explain to me how the illicit drug trade is less harmful than a regulated drug trade pls
2 likes@bruh standler can you clarify?
0 likesEdit: let me clarify actually, distribution and manufacturing should still be illegal
@Lukas The Dark what advantages does it have moving the market from a medical, safe, regulated market to an illicit, unstable, and unsafe market? there has been 0 non government backed, peer reviewed studies showing that the war on drugs is successful, so why continue it at all? all we are doing by it is marginalizing minorities and causing overdose deaths to skyrocket every single year. sure drugs aren't safe but trying to fight the use of drugs (a mental health problem) with legal consequences is like fighting fire with fire.
3 likes@bruh standler I feel like you’re misunderstanding me. I’ve made it clear that I don’t think the use of drugs should be illegal. I think the distribution and manufacturing should be, and let me be even more clear, I mean certain drugs deemed to be dangerous (cocaine, meth, pcp, etc.). People who manufacture and distribute these drugs should be punished for enabling addicts, whilst addicts should seek help, and it’s my belief they can only do that if use is legalized. We still need to punish the manufacturers and distributors however.
0 likes@Lukas The Dark If we live in a free country, with capitalism (free market) then we should be able to buy and exchange substances that interact with our bodies. A drug dealer enables an addict in the same way a liquor store, vape shop, or casino might. Just because some of these substances are legal doesn't make them morally right or wrong. Alcohol and nicotine kill the most people out of any drugs, yet they are legal. We already have seen with alcohol how an illicit market will make more and more dangerous products, instead of stopping like it is supposed to. Yet history repeats itself and we are still fighting this pointless war on drugs by trying to bust drug dealers instead of trying to refocus the market to a legalized alternative. That's the point I'm trying to make.
4 likes@bruh standler I disagree. I think your idea that alcohol kills the most people and therefore it’s more dangerous is skewed, I’d like to know where you’re getting this information
0 likes@bruh standler doing drugs isn’t a victimless crime, they chose to try the drugs knowing they might be illegal, it may be hard to quit but it’s not impossible.
0 likes@bruh standler the dealer should also get the same amount of blame
0 likes@Unwiser only person they are harming is them self
1 like@Unwiser not like they forcing anyone to buy it. ppl just weak willed
0 likes@Deacon Except we already do that and there are hundreds of kilos pouring into every major city nonetheless. We need to make users safer to lower ODs, and part of that is legalizing.
1 like@bruh standler like I said we should have mandatory drug testing for peoples supply if they want to get high. A hands off approach is very lazy when this issue is one that needs to be handled very quickly and efficiently. Shut down the southern border and increase security at all ports to decrease drug trafficking:
0 likes@Deacon Shutting down the southern borden won't do us any good, will probably bring on the recession. Legalizing however though, and selling out of pharmacies instead of street corners will probably change a lot. It's like with weed, who goes to buy cartel brick weed when there's a dispensary around the corner?
3 likes@bruh standler The southern border is the reason for the high drug use, gun violence and more in the US rn. Because it’s a free for all zone do whatever.
0 likesIt's easy to say that now but once you get arrested and are a guilty perpetrator looking at XXX years and can follow through on that morally righteous advice you posted as on youtube then I will agree with you fully
0 likesbut until then you have the complete possibility of just devolving into a hypocrite when put into that position
Even guilty people talking to lawyers makes the system function better, because lawyers quickly tell them to quit the bullshit, get the story out, and start working on a plea deal for them to confess through rather than tying up the trial court system for people who need it.
0 likes@bruh standler I know this is an older post but, I need to clarify something people keep saying. Most drugs are not a "victimless crime." You want to do pot? I could care less, you want to do PCP? Well now we have a problem. These drugs can induce psychotic episodes and make someone become violent. There are cases where one man on drugs attacks someone and they are shot, a lot, but continue to try and attack the person. There was a guy who was on PCP and he was eating a homeless guy alive! The guy couldn't defend himself because the drug made him so strong! Not victimless so stop pretending.
0 likesInteresting to see how many people think telling the truth is snitching on the fiancé? I can see that from a mobster wife but not from a good decent human being which that woman was. She might have saved herself domestic violence down the road and who knows what else.
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100%. That guy literally has a hair-trigger response to confrontation and I have no doubt she'd find inevitably herself on the wrong side of his fists
203 likeswhile scrolling through the comments, yours is actually the first and only comment i have seen that refers as the fiance as a snitch, i find it quite despicable your interested to see if there are any likeminded people that see her in this way.
29 likesI noticed she no longer had her engagement ring on at the trial.... In the end, she was spared alot of heart-ache. He would be a hard guy to be married to..... Imagine how his son feels that every year on his wedding anniversary, he gets to remember how his father ruined the day....
69 likes@skapunker1986 there are responses to other comments calling the wife a snitch... I noticed the same thing and I definitely don't see it that way
62 likes@skapunker1986 Dude, there are an insane amount of comments calling her a snitch and shaming her. And something can be ‘interesting’ in a disturbing way, which is clearly the intent of the comment.
57 likesWhen someone who you are involved with suddenly does something that you would never expect, especially in an absurdly illegal sense, that isn't really snitching. Snitiching, to me, is when you knew about their illegal shit for a good while and then tell on them to lesser your own involvement.
43 likesEXACTLY!!! She had just married him, and Michael Dunn obviously has SERIOUS rage issues that are escalated intensely by booze. She’d probably (hopefully NOT) be next. The authorities knew already (via film and audio, as stated) what had basically happened, so….Why should she lie & incriminate herself as well when she was innocent?!
13 likes@Lisa McCaff I agree 100%! 👍🏻✌️🌎
1 likeShe's a nurse. Added to that you can see she's disgusted with her fiance's macho act.
5 likes@skapunker1986 you're not the brightest one aren't you?
11 likes@Truth17John17 i never thought of that... damn, what an aniversery.
5 likesBtw, what a stupid defense attorney, giving dunn a chance to cry Bout his fn dog... that looks SOOOOO terrible, considering what he did, and his lack of emotion over the boy.
She knew he was a racist! Birds of a feather!
1 likeI agree with you. I am an ex con and felon. The only people I hold accountable for snitching is people who live the street life. Wether is drug dealing, guns z robbery we are expected to keep it shut. but a normal law abiding citizen doesn't have to live by a street code.
7 likesI agree idk why people would consider that snitching she’s doing the right thing she isn’t a gang member or criminal she doesn’t have to abide by any code of the streets or lifestyle im sure not in her wildest dreams would she think the people she has in her life would just start shooting at people in public im sure she avoids all the illegal bs so being a regular civilian tell anyone the truth about what happens isn’t snitching
3 likesyeah how did that happen I thought spouses can't be compelled to testify against onanother.
1 like@Candyman they weren't married so you might be right though
1 likeYep. Tragic for Rhonda, but still, could've been much worse if she actually married him. If this guy was so triggered by loud music, imagine what else he'll be triggered by.
4 likes@Candyman not compelled, but they can volunteer
0 likes@skapunker1986 literally a thousand comments saying snitch and this comment is asking why would they call her that, not that she is one.
1 likeI'll cover up alot for a guy but shooting a child, no, you're on your own bud.
1 likeimagine if they were married, she wouldn’t have even been able to..
0 likesPretentious white suburbanites saying ‘snitches get stitches’ on social media is the funniest thing.
1 like@Lord of Allusion if you are not a criminal or involved in crimes, THAT SHIT DOES NOT APPLY TO YOU!! Snitching is when you get caught doing a crime and give details about others involvement in that crime. If you are innocent and someone commits crime, you SHOULD tell every and all details
3 likes@Jefferson Ott Tbf that's probably the only option the defense attorney had considering the overwhelming amount of evidence against him at that point. His only play, while still certainly hopeless, was to try to convince the jury that he wasn't a monster that would just kill because of a disagreement. Like could you come up with a better defense considering all the evidence the cops gathered from his time in the interrogation without his lawyer?
1 likeYeah. It’s snitching when your partner is driving with a suspended license, not when she/he brutally murders someone.
1 likeSnitch is a word to stigmatize someone telling the truth. It entrenches a herd mentality.
1 likeShe’s a civilian she can tell the cops whatever she wants
0 likesshe could have not talked at all, you know. But she throws her man under the bus.
0 likes@Babes & Board Games She spoke the truth and did the right thing. There was sufficient evidence to convict him anyway.
0 likes@DezertFox showing that the modern woman is loyal to her daddy, the state, and not her actual man. You look at it like its some sort of virtue. Its not.
0 likesI honestly feel bad for the fiancée, all she wanted was wine, had she not known this would happened . She did everything right about being honest. On the other hand, he deserved everything that happened to him, those boys were just chilling listening to music and he got mad and shot them? Really? Was that necessary? He killed a poor teen and almost killed the others. He is a terrible person.
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he was most likely racist and she remained married to him, she deserves no sympathy. When he said "I hate that thug music" she said "I know", so clearly she was aware of his evilness. I wouldn't be surprised if she was racist as well, and just less openly violent than him. She deserves this.
97 likes@mochimochi honestly I completely agree with you, I didn’t even realize.
9 likes@mochimochi Did you just call her evil for saying she doesn't like rap
91 likes@noire no. they called his hatred of "thug" music, evil. This was separate from his obviously evil act of taking a life. The commenter said "she was clearly aware of his evil"... simply because she responded to his hatred of "thug" music with "i know". Bizarre comment by "mochimochi" any way you slice it.
45 likes@mochimochi That's an insane amount of mental gymnastics lmao
95 likes@Dennzer1 she could've said "I know" simply because she does know that he doesn't like that type of music.
64 likes@BlackAces FR like what.
2 likes@Isaiah D Dude deserves a gold metal for that shit
3 likes@mochimochi Yeah and tipsy and then casually got to hotel and ordered pizza.
2 likes@mochimochi saying she deserves this after her being truthfull and doing her part in helping with the investigation is so wrong...
24 likes@mochimochi and it also doesnt make sense to think that just because of an assumption you have that could easily be proven wrong and interpreted differently anytime...
9 likes@mochimochi but however i agree with the point that he was most likely racist
4 likes@mochimochi exactly!
1 like@Isaiah D how
0 likesSo?
@muhmuhmaranda that’s her fiancé be teal
0 likes@muhmuhmaranda Exactly my point.
0 likesRacist is what it is. You can just tell. It’s horrible, makes me sick to my stomach.
2 likesDidn't it say she was dating him for four years but had been engaged for six months? She clearly HAD to know he was a racist. I'm not saying she deserved this because she didn't have anything to do with killing someone, but let's not kid ourselves and pretend she didn't know her own fiance.
7 likesIt’s hard to feel bad for a racist lady or at the very least a racist sympathizer
4 likes@Dennzer1 yea that’s what I was thinking, I think she knew he was racist but loved him and dealt with it. She never would’ve expected him to take a life, and you can tell. She was in shock on the ride home, every time he said “I love you” she said “I know” never “I love you too”
5 likes@Void Yes, I think you're right on sort of both things there...
2 likesif it didnt happen there on that day, it would have happened somewhere else eventually. that dude owned a gun and wanted to use it on someone.
3 likes@Rick Rhone agreed
0 likesI feel horrible that you can hear that she actually feels horrible and guilty just because she wanted the wine and "put them in that situation", I mean how can he love her, and put that on her conscience so she can beat herself up feeling guilty just for wanting a wine....
3 likes@Great Scott! Not necessarily, I've seen people hide things right up until marriage, you can tell she was genuinely shocked he did this she even said she immediately thought he was stupid for that, at that point she didn't want to agitate him further.
4 likesShe might have had hints, but listen to her...she wasn't happy with him
@Nas H you don't know that, she clearly disagrees with him completely, you can hear she despises him
1 likeMost likely, he told them to turn it down aggressively, they turned it off, someone in the car said "fuck that guy" turned it back on. He then yelled back at them, got pissed because they yelled at him and then thought he was a badass and shot at them.
0 likes@Jack Kawf I agree she was shocked he would flat out kill someone like he did, but I'm also sure she knew he had racist tendencies of some kind. You can't be with someone for four years and not know that.
1 like@Great Scott! possibly, but I mean by the way I'm seeing it, it sounds like she wanted a way out and this guy wasn't the "let them go..." Type, I can almost guarantee she was so forthcoming because she was finally out of this
0 likesI feel bad for the murdered kid but maybe that's just me idk
1 like@noire he called the rap music thug music which in the context of the situation implies
0 likes@Rick Rhone agreed
0 likes@Jack Kawf she might despise him because he killed people but he she was with him 4 years and agreed to marry him she knew he was racist and was okay with it
0 likes@Nas H you are so narrow minded dude, I've seen people hide things for longer, even at that, and as I've said...he doesn't seem like the type that would just allow her to leave or speak her mind.
4 likesYou lost your point when you became just as narrow minded as the shooter.
You don't know, you cannot assume, and regardless you cannot assume or say what someone should do in a situation you were never in and have no knowledge of.
You're just as bad without the violence.
@mochimochi "i know" literally does not mean anything in this context
0 likes@Old Ironsides ummm... 💀
0 likes@muhmuhmaranda that’s how I took it
0 likesthis dude really killed a kid, traumatised 3 other kids, traumatised his fiancé, destroyed the victim's family and caused this whole mess because some guys were listening to hip hop.
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And then calls himself the victim
458 likesSounds based
63 likesSweet home Alabama
26 likesAccording to him, “thug music.” That reference alone paints how racist he is.
363 likesGod forbid he should have to listen to 5 minutes of music he doesn't like. He was clearly itching for a situation like this.
234 likesAnd they had turned it down and just one was being obnoxious and they all would have been gone in a minute.
41 likescrazy! when u tell sum1 to turn down ya music is already a fine line.. but then to say I can't hear myself think!! He wAs being a smartass from jump!! looking for an issue!
53 likesIf I was on a phone call: I'd get angry, not to kill
8 likesIf I was just listening to the music: Meh
@SS S true
11 likes@Zeno lull yourself
4 likes????? He was a teenager fool lol.
0 likes@Easter Basket fuckin crazy these days. It seems that hip hop is a bigger genre then rock currently.
4 likesThis guy thinks he’s Tackleberry from Police Academy.
3 likes@SS S How do you know
5 likesWell it wasn't really the music. He was, in my opinion, narcissistic. Probably inevitable with that guy. He snapped.
14 likesSuppose he wasn't carrying a pointless gun in his car. Then what happens? People who think they need to carry guns at all times have mental problems.
26 likes@Easter Basket that’s not racist
5 likesAlcohol
3 likes@Zeno 💀
0 likes@Benji Lawson It's rooted in racist rhetoric and ideologies.
23 likes@Karan Field He is clearly narcissistic. What I wonder is how a person like that, who kills for such a small nuisance, hasn't killed before.
7 likesI kept shooting and shooting because I THOUGHT he had a gun...That's a good argument until they're retreating and you're still shooting. This man is a L.
7 likesI know. Hip hop destroys black lives in many ways.
5 likesAnd actually believed HE was the victim
9 likes@Easter Basket I understand what you mean and I’m not taking up for this guy but how is it being racist by calling a type of music by a name that it is known by that name. Kinda like how rappers call trap music trap music it’s just the type of music it is. Even rappers themselves have called rap music thug music. I mean I grew up listening to rap as well as other kinds of music. I’m not saying either way if this guy is a racist or not but really can’t make that call by him calling a type of music by a name that others have called it including the news.
3 likes@Easter Basket maybe but let’s keep it real, he accurately described it. It is thug music.
6 likesYeah,he hates “thug music” but loves living the “thug life” for REAL,by blasting off shots into an SUV packed with teenage kids??
7 likes🤷♂️🤔🤦♂️
@Tony Arcieri Hip Hop has MANY different sub genres,A Tribe called Quest,De La Soul,The ROOTS,Public Enemy,Common,MF DOOM,Run the Jewels,Gangstarr(don’t let their name fool you),Souls of Mischief,Divital Underground,Freestyle Fellowship,are just a few off the top of the head examples of Hip Hop acts who aren’t even close to being “thug music” or “Gangsta Rap”,Hip Hop is a very wide ranging art form,JFTR
4 likesI think he has probably been waiting for this sort of situation for YEARS & probably fantasied about it just waiting for his opportunity to act it out.That’s my honest opinion!
4 likesPeople listening to loud music dont think about others. People listen to music lodly to ppurposely annnoy others
5 likes@Diego Flores What’s your point?!Are you trying to say teenagers doing what teenagers do,is now a crime worthy of the death penalty with zero need for a court,jury or judge or even a cop for that matter???
5 likes🤷♂️🤔🤦♂️
@Diego Flores dude we're talking about a middle aged man who killed a teen over music. there's a time and place to talk about how loud music can be disrespectful but this sure as fuck isn't it
4 likes@Diego Flores i like to play loud music in car, i like to promote good music :) no, not hip hop. dance music
1 like@Zeno it's not based. What about it is based.. tf
0 likes@Curtis Vance This is an onion situation and there are many layers to his racism. This is only a tiny drop in the bucket.
2 likes@Easter Basket oh I’m not saying he isn’t and I haven’t seen a lot of this guy to even voice my opinion on how racist he really is. I was just saying I felt like the detective part wasn’t necessarily true. As far as the rest I can’t speak on because I would have to see and hear the facts before coming to a conclusion on rather or not if or how much racist he was. Now days people wanna call someone or some situations racist when it really is not. This guy I’m pretty sure he had some type of hate in his heart either it being for someone of different color or someone he felt was lower class then himself I don’t know.
0 likesEdit….not saying these young men where below him. I was just saying how he might think of people. I didn’t want my words getting twisted up lol
there was a murder of some puerto rican parents who told that group of kids to turn of the music, later they get murdered. the couple's newborn kid was on the backseat as the group shot them execution style.
1 like@T that music is Mamoth's music. It should be outlawed!
0 likes@Constantin B. You're joking right? Lol I know it should be obvious that you're joking, but this is YouTube 🤪
0 likesMust have been A$AP rocky for sure
0 likesSeriously man, racists never fail to mess things up, they all look like nice dudes too.
1 like@Curtis Vance I think your heart is in the right place, but to doubt this mans hatred for anyone of any other nationality, is a bit naive. He was waiting for this opportunity for sure. Also, just because you have a certain way of seeing things (i.e. a middle aged white man trying to be snide by calling it “thug music”), absolutely doesn’t mean that you share the same thought process. He’s a blatant racist. Don’t be him
0 likesracism moment
0 likesI really wanna know the song they were listening to
0 likesIt all happened literally because of sounds. Amazing.
1 likepriorities i guess
0 likes@Zeno based in fantasy
0 likesThat's some killer music
0 likesThis is why you shouldn't drink in excess
1 liketo be fair, if someone was blasting country music next to me I might react the same way.
0 likes@Gary Whitehead a teenager is literally a child??? What are you on??
1 like@Nancy then why are they called teens?
0 likesHim: shoots
0 likesMe: makes plans to install a loud stereo system playing vivaldi
and he still thinks he's the hero lol
0 likes@slin0053 I mean you and I weren't there but the fact that after he killed someone he continued to shoot into the car from behind
0 likes.... I feel so sorry for Rhonda she loves him. But I am so proud of her for being honest on the stand! Go Rhonda!
@socillizt4life based antisemite
0 likes@K2ggers Anti Zionism is not anti Semitism.A lot of Jews are anti zionist!The current Israeli state is an apartheid state!FACT NOT OPINION.
0 likesEnd of!This isn’t the place for that discussion.I was just pointing out how ridiculous your OG comment was & will remain.
@socillizt4life i know. based,
0 likes@Luke Sargent he still thinks he's the hero, despite everyone else saying that he said "no, you're not gonna talk to me like that" before unloading on them
1 like@Zeno He was doing Gods work was he??it’s best you stay infront of that computer screen of yours,it’s not too safe for a head with your thoughts outside!
0 likes@K2ggers Are you trying to type the word biased??What is based??
0 likes@K2ggers Deal with it,it’s reality!
0 likes“We support the PLO 100% against the evils of Israel’s apartheid state”-Nelson Mandela
@socillizt4life dude i'm on your side
0 likes@Zeno Stay in front of that computer screen lad,’ cause if someone was to speak the words you typed in my ear shot or of someone like myselfs earshot then I would happily go back to prison for breaking the jaw of someone who was to say “Mr Dunn was doing Gods work” & I’m being 100% truthful!
0 likes@socillizt4life >the george floyd reject was a convict
0 likeslike clockwork
Yup hip hop invokes this kind of stuff. Why are you surprised
1 likeThose kids were violent kids are one of the most violent stuff out there
0 likes@Zeno what TF are you bringing Mr Floyds name up for,he has nothing to do with this case?!?
0 likesAnd tried to ruin his reputation in court along with his friends trying to convince the public they were the murderers just so he doesn’t lose his own freedom.
0 likes@Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ?
1 likeHe lame
0 likesAf. They hate rappers cause all their wives want some chocolate and they know they can’t keep her when HIP HOP walks in the door.
Thug music, stupid.
0 likesOh but don’t mention the fiancé because internet trolls have decided you can only feel bad for one or the other. If you feel bad for her, cleaaaarly you somehow don’t feel bad for the murder victim and his family. God I hate people.
1 likeBefore that, he beat his exes, pulled guns on them, and forced one to sleep with strangers in a swingers' club. Oh and he tried to order a hitman to kill someone.
2 likesI don’t think that he acted wisely, but the kids did not help either being disrespectful, maybe things would be different if they show some respect for others.
0 likesHip hop is pretty trash tho
0 likes@Maria Cameron No, they were there first and Dunn chose to park next to them. If anything Dunn should've just moved his car and went inside the store like a mature adult would.
1 like@Sergio get help
0 likesIn his defense hip hop sucks
0 likesThat's one way to put it yeah
0 likesReading some of these comments disgusts me. This man was clearly racist.
0 likes@Kendra Lewis I just want to clarify that I know the actual reason he did it was because he's racist, my comment was just making fun of the way he tried to justify his actions with "oh they were rude and listening to bad music"
1 like@kuromi I was referring to the replies made to your comment
0 likes@Kendra Lewis oh okay, sorry for the misunderstanding
0 likes@F Blacks I'm a loser for having an opinion? Or are you just name calling because you're childish?
0 likes@#kanepoe ! You are putting words in my mouth and I don't appreciate that. I never said thugs were black, I'm merely observing the entire picture. If you don't believe he's racist, I can't change your mind. I've met enough people like him to know racist undertones. Racism isn't always in your face obvious and is often subconscious.
0 likesAnd the cherry on top? He says HES the victim.
0 likesIt wasn't that, it was the fact he got threatened
0 likes@Curtis Vance the key to this point is the context in which specifically white men in places like Florida choose to word their grievances; the use of the term "thug" in these parts by certain demographics, and I speak from experience, tends to carry baggage and racist connotation if not directly used as a proxy for a slur. Therefore, him calling it "thug music" of all other things he could call it, despite seeming to try and word what he says otherwise in a way which would make him seem nice at first, and especially considering that he without reason opened fire on a car of black teens, among other details all taken in context lead to a fair guess that there was some pre-existing bias which lead to his actions. If he had fired once and shown remorse when he learned there was no weapon etcetera etcetera then perhaps it would not be so easy to point to that wording as a sort of.. dog whistle, for lack of better term, but with the context of everything else it becomes increasingly difficult to argue against imo.
0 likesHe sounds like a proper Chad, if only more Americans were like that...
2 likes@Easter Basket because "Thug Music" isn't a genre?
0 likes@BrokedDownPalace it is
0 likes@Skinny1234 how is music evil?
0 likesAnd he still thinks hes a victim. What a PoS...
1 likeNot really. They turned it off.
0 likes@Ar1 learn to spell
0 likesRap is pretty bad 😂😂😂
0 likesSo hip hop should be banned.
0 likes@Benji Lawson oh please, referring to it as “thug music” and literally shooting at their car over MUSIC, no, he was racist and angry.
0 likes@Curtis Vance where is hip hop known as “thug music”? It’s only referred to that way by people with prejudice. Quit going to bat for a murderer lol cuz you definitely are.
0 likes@Diego Flores what? Lol. There are noise ordinances in most places and times you have to stop playing loud music, if someone’s driving listening to loud music they’re probably just enjoying themselves, idc about others when I listen to my music loudly while driving. If you’re annoyed by it, lucky you, you can drive away.
0 likesAnd had the gaul to play victim
0 likes@GIA LUCATO it was 2012
0 likesRap*
0 likes@Nun Ya i can't imagine a worse choice than returning fire at a swat team. The best case scenario is to be born into a country with better gun control and the cops don't have to worry about getting shot as much.
0 likes@Curtis Vance I think the way he said it and the context of shooting the people listening to said music within the next 5 minutes is more relevant than his exact word choice
0 likeshis testimony just shows how little he views the victims as human. truly disgusting.
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He thought he was doing social justice killing a black kid, he is just a racist, but not just a casual racism guy, but a full on one. He is disguting
85 likes@pollitorsiones I totally agree, this is just so gross. Why would you shoot someone because of their music? I feel for the parents. One thing I find extremely pathetic is when the man said that he is the victim.
20 likes@pollitorsiones enough casual racism, WE GOIN RANKED
5 likesI feel as if there's just been a devaluation of human life over time. If you don't believe life is sacred then this is just one of the many outcomes. Similar to the ability to abuse, or neglect. One thinks so little of others that there is no limit to the harm they are willing to inflict. Especially if its to their benefit.
4 likesIt's also disgusting that during the drive home, when he was turning the radio down and telling Rhonda he loved her, it was almost certainly solely because he'd need her testimony
8 likes@Dylan Callies Or because he knew he was in trouble...
1 like@Lasse Poulsen that is a possibility, but considering his word choice, his fake emotion during the trial, his disappointment with his wife telling the truth and the phone call at the beginning, is far more likely it was calculated to help get her support.
2 likestruly based
2 likeshe took a child’s life, ruined his own life, his fiancée’s life, Jordan’s friends and family’s life all over music he didn’t like. I cannot imagine how traumatized his friends are watching him die in 45 seconds.
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It wasn't about music, it was about disrespect & spite. Look at the cities of Baltimore & Chicago. This kind of incident happens in those cities dozens of times a week.
52 likes@Kernel Kestrel sooo does that somehow justify it? 🤔
29 likes@morgaidz it doesn't justify it, but it is 99.9% true in this instance, and many other instances.
16 likesHe’s 17 he a young adult
5 likesEdit: was 17
@Bigdogteigan does it make it better?
46 likes@Bigdogteigan his age doesn't change anything
81 likes@Bigdogteigan so a unarmed teenager?
53 likes@Bigdogteigan weirdo
74 likes"They're violent, you know." I assume it was caused by racism, too.
59 likesthe fact he was drunk doesn't make it better, it makes it worse. it makes it sad because some people can't handle drinking and we can't stop them from drinking. it won't change.
10 likesI'm just sayin im sure people here in the comments aren't trying to justify it that way.
he's the victim
2 likesHe ruined that poor puppies life bruh
0 likes17 is not a child.
2 likes@Meg Mucklebones 17 is legally a child, 17 year olds aren't even entirely developed yet.
28 likes@Yaritza Lmao...
5 likes"you people act like all black people are from there."
First off, idk who you people are, second no one said that.
that is a manifestation of your own subconscious.
@Kernel Kestrel He wasn't that drunk. His fiance said he only have 3 or 4 drinks. You could say he's a light weight but he was still able to drive and was steady enough to grab his gun (maybe loaded it because he said "I pu-got the clip into the chamber") then cock it and start firing out his window. I would understand if he was sloppy drunk but he at most had a light buzz.
8 likes@ahhh yes ratio this clown
3 likes@Gharug Gro Sigma Male no shit
0 likes@Bread it does though. The reaction to him shooting a 9 year old would be entirely different. Obviously it doesn’t justify it but don’t act like the age doesn’t matter
0 likes@Kernel Kestrel you are signed in on your work account. Delete it.
1 like@Andreia Anderson i was thinking the same thing about some of these weirdos spewing the same thinly veiled racist shit as Michael Dunn , see them on the next episode 😂🕳
1 likeReally sad about the shooting, but these 'hood guys wouldn't cross anyone unless they think they can beat his ass up. 17 year old is not an age to measure in a fight with a grown up man. I'm not saying a shooting is justified, but the thug attitude it's gonna end up really bad for some.
5 likes@Daniel U. “hood guys” lmao. You can’t talk shit without being from the hood now? Ridiculous.
6 likes@Eliecer Quintero Look, wherever these guys are from, if it not pops with a gun it's gonna be somebody else, guaranteed.
2 likesThere's less chance to cross anyone when you don't talk shit uncalled.
@RunOfTheTrill nope perceived disrespect and possibly difference in culture adding to it.....happens everyday in Chicago and Detroit. Live in reality please. Not everyone is a closet racist. The guy had a mental/emotional ineptitude like almost all who kill. Leave it at that
1 like@joshbonds they are teenagers? Seventeeeeen, get it? Children are not teenagers and teenagers are not children. Please don't think I'm excusing the scumbag that shot this poor teen, it's awful what happened. But, say he shot a child is incorrect.
1 like@Bigdogteigan he is a kid, stop trying to make this kid seem older than he is. did you see that picture they used of him? it was a SCHOOL picture. he murdered a child for listening to music and could’ve potentially also killed other kids.
4 likes@l9o6p7a3k4a weird justification for killing someone over loud music lmao.
1 likeI feel so terrible... I cant imagine watching your friend bleed out after being shot at because of music
1 like@Bread then why do people grieve more when it’s a child
0 likes@Meg Mucklebones They were minors. They weren’t adults. Couldn’t drink legally. Couldn’t vote. They were their parents children. They were kids. Stop trying to negate people’s empathy about this loss.
0 likesSame as they ruined the life of the neighbourgh🤷♂️
0 likes@Meg Mucklebones according to the Oxford dictionary a child is someone under the age of puberty OR below the legal age of majority
1 like@Philosopher Stoned it’s not a justification dumb dumb I’m keeping the conversation reality based . Looking at all the facts I don’t see how you can jump to a race based conclusion. What’s werid is you seeing race when there is really no reason to.
0 likesTo be fair, he did ask them to lower the volume.
0 likes@Fee Nok yeah , then proceeded to unload ten rounds into a car full of unarmed people, I don't know where you are from but listening to music loud isn't a reason to get killed, if the dude cared that much he could've just parked somewhere else
1 likeAnd all of them possible with GUNS! Guess what would have happened in any other country: angry grandpa leaves and shouts. In america you're getting shot.
0 likes@Fee Nok it's still no reason to get shot, also the guy literally lied about them saying " I'm going to kill this mf" so you can't be saying that
0 likes@joshbonds His not the only one lying :)
0 likes@Fee Nok then again there's absolutely no way to know that but all we know is that the dude shot unarmed people bc he got his feelings hurt so he deserves to rot in jail anyways
0 likesYou do realize he didn't intend to take anyone's life he just intended to scare them into running so he wouldn't hear the music
0 likesHe definitely did overreact and he does deserve a charge for that but an accidental murder is much less worse than something intentional
0 likes@kyle yung it was about music
0 likes@Bigdogteigan 17 isn’t an adult
2 likes@Uranium Clown firing like 10 shots aimed at a car full of poeple... to scare them? Are you ok?
0 likes@Uranium Clown it’s been proven he shot to kill. You trying to search for a reason to defend a murderer makes me suspect that you have some prejudices against the teen victims. He was looking for any reason to kill, and you could tell by the way he 1, dramaticised there retelling like it was some marvel film, 2, lied about the teenagers reaction and them having a gun, and 3,) where he shot, how much he had shot, and how he lied about where he had shot.
0 likesHe’s a murderer plain and simple, it was no accident. It mightve even had racial motivation.
@Yaritza they bringing up Chicago cus of the crime rating not everything’s about race bruh
1 like@Meg Mucklebones it's not a adult
0 likes@koren taylor OK, so what ages are teenagers then?
0 likes@Meg Mucklebones a teenager is still a kid, even the murderer said they were kids. this is a huge issue in america where black kids/teens are called “adults” when they are literally children being killers
1 like@Bigdogteigan such a cold blooded analogy get some help
0 likes@koren taylor exactly 🙄
0 likesi assure you it had 1% to do with the music and 99% to do with his unapologetic racism and pride. these kinds of people will find any excuse to prove their superiority over people they treat as subhuman because of their twisted beliefs. hell, he killed a 17 year old and still has the gall to call himself the victim.
0 likesThis is the danger of buying a gun to feel powerful, rather than to defend yourself. If you buy a gun because you "like how it feels in your hand" or "just in case I see a crime going on". If you have a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
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20 likesawesome quote
11 likesWell said! I'm going to use this one!
8 likesThat’s such a powerful sentence, “if you have a hammer, everything looks like a nail”.
42 likes@Zoe Grace arrival
1 like"If you have a hammer, everything looks like a nail." Why isn't there an epidemic of mass hammerings then?
21 likes@Kyrrodi not gonna lie, that made me laugh 🤣 in the context of this comment, is what I mean (which I assume you know already)
6 likes@Erik Uden most of the time the violence is b on b
4 likesSo, Merica
1 like@Erik Uden Factor out the gun violence of the 5 most violent cities in the US and its violent crime rate is comparable to that of a small European country. It is also curious that most of the gun-related violence in the US occurs in states with incredibly strict gun control laws. Look up the most violent cities in the US and tell me if you see a pattern, both demographically and politically.
14 likes@Erik Uden Additionally, I think it's cute that you can unironically state that the US counts as a civilized nation now.
13 likes@Kyrrodi I like you.
1 like@Kyrrodi ….and the winner of most idiotic question of 2021 goes to…..
0 likes@Kyrrodi no exaggeration, there's currently deadly mass-shootings every single day in the U.S.
2 likesIf I had a hammer, I'd hammer in the morning, I'd hammer in the evening, all over this laaaand...
2 likes@Enta S the vast, vast majority of what is classified as "mass shootings" is the result of gang violence.
8 likes>60% of all gun deaths in the u.s. are the result of suicides.
The way the world is being presented to you is dishonest. People have strong convictions about restricting guns, and they will manipulate information to further that goal.
You're right. I have a concealed carry license just because a lot of private sellers like to see it when I buy and sell firearms, and I just never even take them out of my house unless i'm going to a sale or the range. In both cases I make sure that I don't have to make any stops along the way. I simply will not bring a deadly weapon into any situation because the truth is, 99.999% of the time none of us ever truly need a weapon on us.
4 likes@D H "if we restrict guns further, the country will be safer"
2 likes@D H "We could totally eliminate gun violence only IF we just pass more laws and stuff telling criminals (A criminal defined as a person who actively breaks laws) that they cant legally have guns that exist with or without our laws.... While we are at it, let's also tell law abiding citizens (the actual people who would be forced to obey such laws, being law abiding and everything) that they can"t legally have guns either, because surely IF we do that, the criminals won't just decide to have guns anyway regardless of what some invisible law says, and surely they won't just continue to commit crimes, only now with an even greater advantage over those law abiding citizens who otherwise could defend themselves on equal footing if not for our laws. Dangerous criminals who have such little fear of the justice system that they will knowingly rob and MURDER regardless of consequence, surely they will respect the gun free zone signs we hang up, won't they?" Yeah that doesn't sound like "hypothetical imaginary land" at all.... Also, factoring out suicides and inner city GANG VIOLENCE is very much a good way to analyze actual gun crimes, since ya know, the majority of human beings in the country do not subscribe to street gangs nor lives of crime, so it isn't ideal to toss in the actions of hardened criminals who will be hardened criminals no matter the circumstances (proven by their own cities strict gun laws and their utter refusal to abide them) alongside those of average Americans as if it is all one in the same, as if Joe Blow with his legally owned weapon is contributing to 800 deaths a night in Chicago or whatever absurd number it likely is, this is why we should not restrict freedoms of law abiding people based on the actions of criminals. And as for suicide, it will happen regardless of method. Furthermore, factor in how many gun deaths are DEFENSIVE meaning someone killing in self defense, a home invader, etc etc, and the cited "honest media reported" statistics grow even more fragile.
4 likes@D H If dense populaces are what causes violent crime and crime in general then Tokyo would be one of the most violent cities on earth, but it's actually the most peaceful capital. Poverty certainly correlates with crime, as does lack of literacy, but you see much higher violent crime rates among certain demographics than others, even when you factor in literacy, income and access to resources. You need to be honest with yourself when analysing why these cities are so violent.
3 likes@D H It's also ironic that you talk about an "imaginary fairy land" yet you can make the obtuse assumption that if you take away the guns, the violence disappears. There is no correlation between legal gun ownership and violent crime. In fact, places with high amounts of gun ownership have less crime overall, even if abject poverty is present. I come from a city where guns (and knives) were banned a long, long time ago, but it has a violent crime rate comparable to New York.
3 likes@Jelton Inc. “b on b” violence doesn’t exist. It’s just violence. When you see crime scenes you don’t say “yt on yt crime” do you 🤨
0 likes@Kyrrodi lots of poverty that is forced on the people in that city
0 likes@edward Certainly, people can be born into bad circumstances. It's demonstrably proven that people can rise from these circumstances, however. Also, choosing to rob/kill people, regardless of your financial situation, still takes a certain predisposition. In multicultural nations, you'll find a much clearer correlation between violent crime and demographics than you will between violent crime and poverty.
4 likesExactly my thoughts exactly.. the fact this guy uses the shooting a act of “self defense” is ridiculous
0 likes@Kyrrodi What are you trying to say?
1 like..oh I love that line
0 likes@Tyler My comment is pretty clear.
0 likes@Kyrrodi It's really not that clear. If violent crime isn't linked to population density or socioeconomic factors, what's the driving force behind it? Who is in this demographic you keep referring to, and what about them makes them predisposed to commit violent crime?
0 likes@Erik Uden You should also look at how many of those shootings are comitted with illegally owned guns.
1 like@Tyler a lot of the most violent cities in America are sanctuary cities. What's a sanctuary City and who is at fault for it?
0 likes@Tyler Los Angeles, San Francisco both sanctuary City. Because it protects illegal immigration. So the cartel set up there. There's also really no punishment against drug users. Lot of homeless drug users. Lot of gangs in Los Angeles too so the cartel get two big customers.
0 likes@Tyler cartel smuggles guns into Los Angeles and then sells it to the local gangs, who then kill one another. large amounts of homeless people migrate to Los Angeles and San Francisco's cuz of the really lenient drug laws, witch the cartel supplying most of the drugs in the area. Since the cartel makes it easy to get guns in Los Angeles in San Francisco if you know the right person. drugged up homeless people can get access to guns pretty easy as long as they know the right person.
0 likes@Tyler who to blame for the sanctuary cities Tyler.
0 likes@Tyler Portland Oregon just decriminalized all drugs. There's no punishment for doing PCP, heroin, meth. Lot of weirdos going to be running around that city. San Francisco same thing. there's so many drugged up homeless people in Los Angeles they're not even trying to put them in jail anymore. New York eliminated cash bales for everything except for some violent felonies. They arrested a guy for killing a woman and then released him the next day. Six defendants were released without bail in January of 2020 after a $7 million drug bust in the Bronx
0 likes@the dude And where do you think those guns come from? I'll give you a hint: they're not coming from Mexico. The War on Drugs was a disaster for this country, it only benefited the prison industrial complex. Decriminalizing drugs and allocating funds that would normally go to bloated prison & police budgets into rehabilitation programs would go so much farther than locking offenders up and making it impossible for them to find work, housing, and secondary education once they're released.
0 likes@the dude also, I wasn't talking to you. I just wanted to see if Gabriel had the balls to come right out and go full-on mask off racist, which he clearly doesn't.
1 likelove how this comment section turned from cringe "guns bad" to based factsposting
0 likes@Tyler wrong lmao. Based = a statement or action that braves the potential consequences in any situation. For example, if someone said "I don't think there's anything wrong with being jewish" on /pol/ and got a million angry (You)s (this has happened) that is based and I would say so, just like on twitter if someone posted "I don't think we should kill all rich people, I also disagree with communism" I would also deem that statement as based. In both these situations a person is going against a hivemind to say what's really on their minds. That is based, and so are the underdogs here arguing using sound logic to preserve gun rights and educate people. Being based is an act of confidence and individualism, showing a individual doesn't care about what others think. That is admirable and is why I and many others use "based" to compliment people regardless of political views.
0 likesBut go on. Make this a oversimplified left-right spectrum problem. It's you who thinks labels matter. Hence you aren't based and therefore have a problem with "based" since you see everyone but you getting called based. Now that's an opinion derived from bias.
@Dav0d Magnum lmao i'm not gonna read any of that
0 likes@Erik Uden illegal weapons, not legal weapons
0 likes@Tyler your loss
0 likes@Tyler South of mexico. Chiapas is controlled by The Zapatista Army of National Liberation. They're the ones, who supply cartel with most of their weapons. they also help fuel the drug war in Mexico. Cuz they been trying to take over Mexico completely since 1994.
0 likes@Tyler the Zapatista movement, which is a Democratic, socialist, Marxist group. helped supply and fun the cartels in the 80s. in hope that it would destabilize the nation and weaken the government and army of Mexico. so their takeover of Mexico would be easy. Which I would say has been working pretty well.
0 likes@Tyler which is funny, because a large portion of the drug war in America is because of the cartel.
0 likes@the dude that's such a painful oversimplification and misrepresentation of what's happening in central America. The Zapatista's formed largely in response to American neoliberal trade policies, and a large portion of the firearms used in those conflicts are purchased in the US.
0 likes@the dude It's not even my opinion. The war on drugs was a failure and the skyrocketing rates on incarceration are proof of that. There are laws on both state and federal levels that make it exceedingly difficult for offenders to reintigrate into society after they're released, which forces them to return to illegal activities in order to survive. Your obsession with retribution over rehabilitation is exactly what's wrong with this country.
0 likes@the dude If you can't see what Gabriel is trying to imply by eliminating socioeconomic and geopolitical factors from violence in the US and referring to certain "demographics" as being predisposed to commit violent crime, then you're just being willfully ignorant
0 likes@the dude oh so now you're just going full on jingoist conspiracy mode. Sit down dude, you're done
0 likes@Tyler I mean Mexico was weekend from outside influence. The Zapatista Army of National Liberation. Play a big role and launched a full-on scale attack on Mexico in 1994 but was repelled back by the Mexican army, but they weren't defeated so they're still very much interested in grabbing Mexico and they're probably not going to stop there.
0 likes@Tyler and I bet you The Zapatista Army of National Liberation is back by China or Russia.
0 likes@the dude ok old man, why don't you go back to sharing infowars memes on facebook
0 likes@Tyler and yeah the war on drugs was a failure. that was the whole purpose of it just like in Mexico.
0 likes@Tyler I mean there's a full on drug war happening in Mexico that's tearing the entire nation apart as we speak.
0 likesTyler Mans really expected Gabriel to reply to his comment in a day 😂
0 likes@Tyler oh and The Zapatista Army and Mexico conflict. go all the way back to
0 likesMexico's revolution of 1910, which America had nothing to do with. With Emiliano Zapata the man who started the revolution And gave birth to the Zapatismo. They used America Canada and Mexico's tariff policy as an excuse to start a rebellion in 1994.
@Tyler they've been trying to take over Mexico for more than a hundred years now.
0 likes@Tyler so In truth we got the Marxist communist. to blame for the drug war in both Mexico and America.
0 likes@Tyler which ain't that funny. a lot of the leaders of the sanctuary cities. happen to be democratic socialist marxists. How about that. They help start the drug war by bringing the cartel over and now they're offering a solution to it by decriminalizing drugs.
0 likes@Tyler lol why you so mad
0 likes@Kyrrodi you still haven't answered the question
0 likes@Tyler it's not my job to educate you sweety 👁️👄👁️💅
0 likes@Kyrrodi nah you scared
0 likesSeriously and the detective made a good point. Even a dark water gun could have been perceived as a threat. “Your dead bitch”? I’m in my forties but pretty sure nobody talks like that who is about to shoot you or in general.
0 likesI have multiple hammers and the only thing that looks like a nail....is a nail. I have had multiple guns all my life and have never pointed one at anyone. It's the person, not the gun.
0 likes@Obnoxiously Charming lol didnt read. meltdown harder next time maybe someone will pay attention to your seetheposting.
0 likes@Dav0d Magnum buddy I don't even know who you are or what you're talking about. But since I didn't get worked up not once on this video and you to your own admittance you have difficulty reading more than paragraph I'll assume this is your dumb mistake. Idk what you didn't read. But I get it. Stupid people can't read a lot. You'll get headaches. Just keep working on vowels with your tutor bud you'll get there. Calling it a meltdown made me chuckle though.
0 likes43:21 mins When you went and grabbed the gun, wrapped it, and went around ...(..) Police: And what was the purpose of that? MD: To save my life Police: From WHAT? The Door?? MD: Nooo, Uhm...
0 likesUm. It’s a free world. U don’t have the right to ask somebody to turn there music down. Bc who are you?! lol ppl can do what they want if it’s bothering you that much LEAVE.. he’s manipulative af!
2 likesShould have got a lawyer
1 likeif he’s supposedly acts like this when he’s terrified, he shouldn’t have a gun. obviously he wasn’t scared, but wtf is the “i’m not trained” excuse?
1 likeWill you be making more videos?
0 likesThese videos are very interesting
0 likesBully with a gun…..very dangerous combination
0 likes43:37 says it all
1 likeDude kills a kid and shows no remorse, but when he thinks about the fact that his ex hates him because he killed a kid...THATS when the emotions hit.
0 likesOne thing that doesnt make sense to me. The cop complained that he got out of his car and yet if a cop is getting shot at the FIRST thing hed do is get out of his car. Thats basic training lol
0 likesPlay stupid games (tough guy), win stupid prizes
0 likesLucky he didn’t catch machine gun fire.. this is Zoe Pound territory
Why is this guy driving around with a gun at all? When I am packing for a weekend away at a BnB I'm not thinking I need a gun... the fuck is wrong with people
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that wasnt the issue, plenty of people carry a gun with them at all times, its their right
3 likes@Dean Azarnush True. But that right leads many to believe they can just do this shit.
0 likes@Dorian Michaelis that doesn't diminish people's rights, no matter your excuses
0 likes@Dean Azarnush you're missing the point on purpose
0 likesThose cops both are both great interragators
0 likesi almost feel like the backlash over people defending rhonda is unwaranted. OF COURSE the victim, his friends, and his family deserve all the sympathy, empathy, and all the other words. I feel like that goes without saying. This video concentrated on her quite a bit, so people are commenting on her. I thi k the hero in all this is the driver with the dreads. He coulda easily froze up, and this racist al/rageaholic woulda slaughtered 4 children for the simple act of being teenagers. Only a person looking for a problem would pull right next to a truck blaring music, then con front the teenagers in it. Im a fit guy whos been in lots of fights in his 30s, and a truckload of teenagers, white, black or zebra, would be INSANE to confront them.
Guess the gun and the drinks changed that. Pssy
If you're only going to be there for a few moments, why even bother complaining to people vibing to loud music?? Like you're gonna be gone soon and they're having fun just leave them alone :/ What an awful person
1 likeGlad the vids are back (atleast partially)
1 likeWith all the tactics police have why would anybody speak without a lawyer.
0 likesHe could do with a couple more acting lessons he over playing his part
0 likesDude deserves a Dunnce cap.
0 likesHe was dying to shoot somebody, anybody.
2 likesrest in peace jordan :(
1 likeGood job
1 likeTell me this guy didn't have a loud stereo when he was 17. Wtf
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And like he couldn't tolerate it for 5 minutes, or parked elsewhere
0 likes2 to 3 drinks? I know if I 2 drinks I would remember getting a drink twice im sure 3 as well
0 likes“Two handed takes longer”
0 likesNot if you’re right handed and turning to the left to shoot. Literally takes zero additional time. Even if you shoot on the right and have to bring you’re left hand over, it’ll be near instant to do. Especially if you train to draw and fire that way. Also if you legitimately fear for your life (which I don’t think he did) you would want to be accurate, and using two hands makes you much more accurate. Not everyone would react this way but I would definitely use two hands even if I had to quickly draw on someone. This was my only issue with this video.
I also love the forensics with the dowels marking bullet trajectory even though bullets can ricochet and often do when being shot through something hard like a car door. Even with forensics it’s near impossible to tell if a bullets path changed after going through an object
Edit: he probably could’ve gotten off with lesser charges without the interrogation. I’m glad people are stupid to talk to cops
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It does take longer. The left and right side of your body are controlled by the opposite side of the brain, which means that using both hands requires more brain funtionality which undisputedly takes longer than only using one hand to preform an action.
0 likes@OmgPotatoButt not if you move the gun across your body. You can move your left hand up while moving the gun across with your right. It takes zero additional time to do. You can’t move your wrist and shoot without injuring yourself or being wildly inaccurate. If you’ve trained to shoot guns you would understand the point I’m making. Talking about the different sides of the brain is irrelevant. You can use both sides of your brain at once, hence why you can move your left and right arms at the same time. Your point is beyond absurd and seems to totally misunderstand (or not even make an attempt at understanding) what I even said. He needed to pull the slide and already even had both hands on the gun. You can grab the gun with two hands while aiming after pulling the slide back without take ANY additional time whatsoever. If you already have the left hand pulling the slide, you can grip the gun with the left hand, while lowering it down with your right. Please tell me how that takes any additional time because it just doesn’t and I know this based on my experiences with guns. Even if it magically did take 1/100th of a second longer, IT DOES NOT EVEN MATTER! He said he’s been trained by military friends how to shoot and shoots often. If you train a lot with a gun you’re going to naturally shoot it the same way you train to shoot it, which is with both hands. But it doesn’t take any bit of extra time whatsoever and this could easily be proven in any court of law by an attorney that talks to a firearm expert based on where he was and the fact he pulled the slide with his left hand putting it on the gun already ready and literally only an inch or two from the grip
0 likes@OmgPotatoButt and taking more “brain functionality” DOES NOT mean it takes longer to do. It’s such a weird thing to say and you thing a task requiring more brain power takes longer when that just isn’t true dude. You really need to do some research and think before you say something. Running would take longer because it requires more “brain functionality” than walking. Because it’s walking but quicker which is more brain functionality. That’s the simplest way I can show you how your point falls apart. Imagine if you’re more right side brain dominant and try to run as fast as possible. Then you’d spin in a circle because the left side of your brain can’t keep up. Also that point you made is a massive oversimplification of how the brain works and is not entirely true
0 likesI presume the black guy in the seating is the victims dad and I just want to say I really appreciate and respect him for his composure 🤙 god bless
1 likeYes, sir. Fluid motion.....
0 likesWhen he demonstrates how he held his gun while shooting he has to turn to point towards the black cop.
0 likes24:53 "Hopefully it's the guy that I hit" wtf that man has no remorse whatsoever
2 likesI almost have to wonder if it is the lyrics of the song when he hears the threats. I have had a guy get mad at what I said and it was my stero. I was not the one saying "Bitch Please" though that was MC Ride.
0 likesnot justifying his actions, he is guilty 100%, but I dont think him getting out of his car was too much to incriminate him cause I watch a lot of gun stuff and self defense videos and listen to a lot of people with experience on the subject, they all say to get out of the car as fast as you can cause it turns into a death box. Yet again not defending him, just saying the detectives bashing him for getting out of the car was a little eh looking as it was a "self defense" situation
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Not getting a lawyer was the dumbest decision of his life (other than the shooting)
0 likes"Quicker than The Flash." Lol okay buddy.
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He's had training from his mates, don't you know? 😅
0 likesAs a black twenty something year old
9 likesI’ve never heard anyone in my peer group say “this shits going down” before any kind of altercation lol
Dudes lying through his teeth
“You’re not gonna k*ll me you son of a b*tch”
He never said that either
Dude thinks he’s in a Steven segal movie
Rhonda is such a sweetheart.
1 likeI could tell he was racist from the very first phone call. I didn’t even know what this video was but I could hear it in his tone and the certain words he used.
1 likeRhonda told the truth, even knowing it would bury her fiancée. I hope she's found someone who deserves her.
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Thanks for getting it right. So many people call her his wife.
31 likesRhonda, is good people for sure. Thank God she told the truth.
38 likesshe bad lowkey
13 likes@lord flako She indirectly caused this
8 likes@Jake Yates couldnt agree more
1 likeThe way she timidly says her response to "i hate this thug music" as "yes, I know" goes to show how she probably dealt with his bullshit before. Agree, I hope she found someone better whos not a racist murderer with a temper.
65 likes@Jake Yates what makes you say that??
6 likes@Jake Yates how the heck did she indirectly cause this
24 likes@skeevy nicks It was her decision to stop for wine.
1 like@Jake Yates yea but that doesn’t mean she knows her fiancé is a lunatic that’s gonna kill someone while she’s inside
60 likes@Jake Yates i think that’s putting too much blame on her. she wanted to stop for wine, how is she supposed to know her fiancé would go full lunatic on some kids
38 likes@Jake Yates bro…do not attempt to pin this on her in any way 😂
14 likesJake kinda has a point. If Rhonda wasn't so desperately in need of wine, none of this would've happened. It's like the Seinfeld finale where Kramer jumps on the plane and causes the group the land in a town where they get arrested for witnessing a robbery and not helping the victim. That's what he means by indirectly.
7 likes@Jesse Morgan well, even in the Seinfeld episode, they were jailed for no reason. There is no duty to help someone who is attacked by an armed person. It's completely optional and your own safety should be one of your concerns.
2 likes@silentlamb21re:Seinfeld , the reason the were initial arrested was by breaking the local Good Samaritan ordinance .The trial backed up their total lack of any Samaritan tendencies , if I remember correctly .
2 likesSeinfeld, they didn’t just NOT help. They actively video recorded and mocked the victim.
2 likes@C S Exactly. She said they have to go home together. She probably thought he might not get caught. She should have called the cops.
3 likesShe buried him.
1 like@Quest4Adventure She's not a good person for doing what she had to do. She HAD to testify or e held in contempt. She doesn't get spousal privilege, they weren't married. She's a weak, weak woman who continued to support that fiIth and bolster his disgusting egotism in that opening phone call. She knew what he was like and still wanted to marry him. That doesn't make her a good person.
1 like@Nabil Negeye How could she not know? She was with him for several years, you seriously think she wasn't aware that he was a racist with a violent streak? Really?
2 likes@Amelia Bee it's almost like abusive people hid thier motive/condition people thier with to accept the abuse?
6 likesalso, she very much could of lied on courtm if she belive he was in the right.
She didn't, she told the truth, and she should be praised for it.
@Jesse Morgan If she hadn’t stopped for wine then her Fiancé wouldn’t have killed that kid, yes. But this doesn’t mean her Fiancé wouldn’t have killed another “thug” in the future. If he was willing to do this over music then what would he do in the future.
1 like@Jake Yates by that logic witness number 7 is also to blame for this because if he had parked next to the truck Dunn would have had to park someplace else and wouldn't have been so mad about the music. The store is also at fault for being open and selling wine at that time. Had they not sold win the couple never would have stopped there. Had they not been open the kids never would have been there. Sorry buddy but thats just not how reality works. Its nobodies fault but the monster who pulled the trigger.
2 likesSo true. She seems like a great lady.
0 likes@Jake Yates how so???
0 likes@Jake Yates just because you stop for wine doesn’t make you complicit to a murder
3 likessome people in this comment section really just hate women … it’s unsettling
3 likes@Jake Yates Dude… did you forget that quick already? She testified against him in court!!🤦🏻♂️ She’s the whole reason why his ass is sitting in jail right now.
1 like@chakenbacon I know. Everyone knows.
1 likelucky escape for her
1 likeSo by the logic I see in this thread, every time I want my boyfriend to make a stop for bum wine, I am responsible for whether or not I consider that it may result in murder.
3 likesI don't think that's how law works lol? Y'all silly. Unless I got trolled.
@autumn h it’s sad. God didn’t put woman on earth to be treated poorly.
1 like@Amelia Bee Exactly. Plus, when she told the jury that he said "I hate that thug music.", that's a red flag right there.
1 likeWatch the interview with his neighbor. He gives you a good take on this narcissist and woman beater. Rhonda got her best chance to end her relationship with him that’s why she exposed his lies and helped prepare his grave
1 likeShe’s mine now 😈
2 likes@Jake Yates Bro what?
1 likeI think you deserve Her. LMAO.
0 likes@Jake Yates hi Jake. I think that she was scared shitless and he probably had her afraid of doing anything that he might hurt her over. Remember that he had just shot up a car full of people. She knew that the cops were going to catch up with them. They always do when they know the car plate. She did what she was told and it might have saved her life. Put yourself in her shoes if you can. I had nothing to do with her it was about her mans anger. It was him 100 %. He’s a killer not her. She didn’t tell him to do it. She was in a store buying something. It was on him. Not her. Where is your humanity brother? She acknowledged that she knew he did not like music coming from the car that HE chose to pull up next to. The kids had the right to play their music as loud as they wanted. As long as it’s not late at night. She never said anything either way about her feelings about the music. She just wanted to go and buy something at the store. It could’ve been tampons it doesn’t matter.
0 likes@umungus Why stop there? Schoolly D and Ice-T are at fault for pioneering gangster rap.
2 likes@Jake Yates Apparently not you…
0 likes@chakenbacon She confirmed he never mentioned that he saw the boys with a weapon, and confirmed he said "I hate that thug music", but hey, "I don't know".
0 likesPoor kids just havin fun!!! What we all did an being a fool.. they didnt hurt anyone, they didnt do anything but play loud music which we all did!!
1 likeThis guy sounds exactly like the guy who sits in pies from Better Call Saul.
1 like29:34 - I find it interesting how when the white officer asks him how he shot the gun, he faces the black officier and recreates how he shot at the kids. Very subtle but kinda shows that this guy targeted them because of their skin, alongside other reasons ofc.
1 likePeople shouldn't play loud music in public places out of respect for others space. That said, shooting for that reason is bat shit crazy!
0 likesRhonda is an angel. She deserves so much better than him. The worst part is that she probably honestly thought he was a good guy. Sometimes people's bad side comes out when we least expect it. She is so sweet. I hope she moves on and lives a long and fulfilling life.
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Dirty Guy lol did she really?? hoping this is true
7 likesDirty Guy she must’ve been a gold digger or a horrible judge of character.
0 likesI sincerely hope she doesn’t blame herself. She said it was her idea to go stop at the 7-11 to get a bottle of wine.
0 likesDirty Guy please tell me that’s true lmao
0 likesGood for the fiance for not lying. He is a cold blooded killer
1 likeWhy didn't Michael Dunn mind his own effing business? Totally avoidable!
0 likesthe black cop “here’s what i’ll bet you a whole years salary” haha ctfu get em
0 likesAnother case of a tough guy boomer thinking because he carries a gun he can start fights and end them with shooting.
0 likesgreat video...
0 likesNow this P.O.S is in prison forever for not minding his business
3 likesThat opening ring tone made me think my phone was ringing lol
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I thought I was calling someone and the phone wasn't even near me lol
1 likeHe looks like the Mayor from nightmare before Christmas lol
1 likeIts crazy to know there are people out there who think their concealed carry permit is a license to murder anyone who annoys or upsets them on a bad day… AND they have to know in this day and age there will be witnesses, camera/ audio footage, evidence & that every second of what occurred will be reviewed against the accuracy & creditability of their testimony… BUT THEN they somehow delude themselves into thinking that they are “innocent” “victim” to such a degree that they will disregard & deny themselves their legal right to remain silent & obtain legal counsel… Do they actually think the detectives are going to be like “hey its all good buddy, you were totally justified for senselessly murdering unarmed innocent people, shame on them for making you a little annoyed & upset, sorry we had to track you down for the interrogation, you’re free to go home now” wtf?!?
0 likesThis guy really murdered over checks notes loud music... It's a good thing he didn't get married and have kids because those children would not have lived for long
0 likesThey should have stayed at the scene and waited for the police
0 likesThis guy reminds me of the guy with the yellow hummer in better call Saul
0 likesThis is one of those guys, who waits for these "life threatening situations" all his life just to prove how strong and capable he is. Guys like this will judge a situation in a completely wrong way just to self-justify their brutal actions.
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I reckon he always wanted to be a cop.... one of those bad ones .
189 likesa "nice guy", basically
70 likes@Robert Biondo I think he is clearly racist.
201 likes@SuperMerchus acab
22 likes@GradKat I'm an avid gun guy and hope I never have to shoot someone.
32 likes@GradKat - Does it? Perhaps he is a collector and happens to enjoy shooting. Your assumptions are ridiculous
10 likes@ce le - Right. Because of the context it’s automatically about race, right? Hogwash.
15 likesYeah, lots of guys like that in Florida
2 likes@Joe Public nah his assumption is pretty spot on if you had more people knowledge you'd know that too
17 likesHow is this a life treating situation he's just a spoiled brat who got away with everything so when someone said something to him he went on a power trip and thought he would get away with it
12 likes@GradKat you be a gun guy without wanting to harm people some individuals find the mechanics of firearms interesting or looks the of weapon
12 likes@secret message That's the reason why I put the words into quotation marks.
3 likes@SuperMerchus i hate the "always wanted to be a cop" guys. They want to be cops so they can get around the law
13 likesOne of those guys huh ? .... You mean most older white men? He’s clearly racist, let’s not negate the facts
6 likesheyysimone ur videos in your playlist definitely describe you
1 like@Rema Bundles O so you're one of those guys?? The ones who think they can walk around being racist 24/7 and pretend to be a victim?
9 likesYou make me sick.
I think he was motivated by fear and hatred of gangs. Jacksonville Florida is a high-crime district. The chances of becoming a victim of violent crime there much higher than the national average. Of course, his response to the argument was irrational and unwarranted. They did not shoot at him first. This was not self-defense. That's why he was convicted.
5 likesTook the words out of my mouth, he seems like an ignorant abusive husband who thinks he’s tough and wanted to prove to himself he is, he’s just an insecure husk of a man
6 likes@Monica Catalano I had a similar experience. I was on a bus coming back from a fundraiser for a charity and my friend and I were talking about how much money was raised. A man on the bus thought I was soliciting my business colleague (a woman), offering her money for sex. His English was poor. I suppose he could not imagine a man talking to a woman about money outside of that context. I told him he was mistaken and it was not what he thought it was. My colleague thought it was funny and started laughing. The man kept insisting he was right, became flustered, then moved to another part of the bus.
5 likesSimilar to Michael Drejka...
3 likesScarier thing is that in the midwestern town Ive grown up in, how many of these guys I have met. Ive seen victims of crime get like this but also unfortunately people who were never victims and created their narratives in their head
3 likesWell my my.... Guess he has quite the hourglass of many fortnights to think about this moment in time ...
1 likeThis is why the 2nd amendment needs to go away!
1 likeMaybe.... more likely is that he grew up being screwed with, got himself a "nerd" occupation, got some money and wanted to go shooting. Concealed carry training requires threat evaluation and getting out of the line of fire.
0 likesWhat he did was stupid and had an air of malice to it.
@Monica Catalano " do not accept any other possible interpretation. A bit like people who believe in conspiracies!"
1 likeThere are some real conspiracies.... in the early days of World War One US based banker JP Morgan Jr loaned the British 2 billion dollars in "war loans". That's the equivalent of $52 billion dollars today. Solid gold dollars, not bit patterns in a computer or database. The British came back a while later, told him that they couldn't repay the loans if they lost the war. Morgan began to lean on his fellow Plutocrats to change things.
First it was arming the British. US companies began to manufacture weapons for the British, in violation of neutrality. The P14 Enfield was a US manufactured rifle that fired a British 303 round. We started manufacture of explosives and artillery shells for the British. We would later make the Mosin-Nagan for the Tsar's army.
Woodrow Wilson won election in 2016 as a "peace candidate". One in four Americans were of German ancestry. There are many German language newspapers in the US.
The US more or less accepted the British blockade of Germany and Austria.
A media campaign began against Germans. Dachsunds were stomped, food was renamed. German language newspapers were closed. In 1917 WIlson asked for a declaration of war. There was widespread resistance to the draft. "Slackers", people who wanted to resist, were arrested in large numbers.
Morgan got his loan repaid, with interest.
The US also invaded Russia. The Intervention. Trotsky later thanked us, the British, French and Japanese, for making the Communists look like patriots.
Why were we there? War loans to the Tsar.
@Jim Marbaz I like how you put that word in quotes.... but it's the real deal.
2 likesI'm really nasty when I'm disarmed. Put on a gun on me? I'm Mr. Sunshine. Nope, don't want any trouble here.
Well said
0 likesi smell projection
1 likeEntitlement in a nutshell
1 like@frost Did you even watch the video?
0 likesHe's racist
3 likes@Rema Bundles no, it is you who doesn't understand rly. With calling 'most older white guys racist', you are making a racist statement yourself. That is what he meant.
2 likesMy best friend murdered his neighbor, had the very same mentality. Sad
0 likesvery hard cool man with a gun. dangerous people
0 likesYup
0 likes@Drengr The US constitution needs a sensible renewal and adjustment to the current times. I agree with you that there are groups that have no interest in changing anything because they would lose power. Happy New Year 2021!
0 likes@Joe Public so you think if it was a bunch of white kids he would have done the same? Hogwash.
1 like@ce le Yeah, me too. He continuously refers to these kids as thugs, and assumed they were armed and up to no good. And when he was testifying on the stand he embellished his story of their confrontation to include them calling him a cracker. That's a term I've never heard anyone use seriously in my life, but old white people love to get upset imagining being called one.
0 likes@Joe Public yes
0 likes“I don’t like tht thug music”
Yes br
These comments are making me lose braincells
4 likesHe was wrongfully convicted by an anti-white system. These comments are a perfect example. Disgusting
1 likeHave you learned nothing about making assumptions?
0 likesThere is so much truth in this.(
0 likesI just came here to laugh at all the experts. So many Karen’s. So many betas. Xo
0 likes@Jacques So what Well you definitely misunderstood the terms "Karen" or "beta". But sure go on with stroking your tiny ego. Some people really need that.
0 likes@Think for yourself his response wasnt motivated by fear....ego if anything....if he was scared he would of just minded his own business...which he should of.
0 likesReally is that what they are trying to do? Hum? I just stay away from all and any men who are single and available. No way Jose. Peace.
0 likes@xPoemi aww. Did I hurt you little guy?
0 likes@Jacques So what Says the guy who needs to call other men "beta" just too feel better about himself. Cheers.
0 likes@xPoemi I call it the way I see it
0 likesprincess. Kisses. Xo
@J Wilcox so you only go for men already in relationships?
0 likes@xPoemi it’s spelled “apparently “ princess. Or did that hurt your feelings too? Xo
1 like@Txiv Neeb's Waffles and Shrooms Instrumentals as proud as I am of you for clearly having just learned the word "projection," no it's not.
0 likes@Txiv Neeb's Waffles and Shrooms Instrumentals Well suprise, so did Michel Dunn. He also didn't have a gun pulled on him.
0 likesAnd thankfully I don't have to worry about that much since I live in Switzerland and we don't allow any person with a room temperature IQ to buy a gun here. A shooting happens maybe twice a year.
Shooting lessons cost a lot of money. Some of these dum dum's are looking for an opportunity to put it to use
0 likes@Jamal Labarge magnifique
1 likeProfound !
0 likes@Drengr "scream bloody murder at the thought of a simple mental health test, an aptitude test, and a firearm licence."
0 likesWhat is a "mental health test"? What does that the term mean? I had evals in the past, they're pretty easy. They mess with you, see how you respond.
I don't like licensing. It's too easy to fiddle with it. Illinois and New Jersey in the US already require a license in order to purchase a handgun. How are their stats? Are they working in Chicago and Newark?
How are they working in disenfranchising ordinary people in those two locales, especially Jersey? Pretty good. I hear a lot of griping from people out that way.
Aptitude for what?
You sling these terms about as if they have some meaning external to your perceptions.
@New England Aviation Spotting it seems you all say the same thing.
0 likesThis guy also said this during interrogation.
Michael Dunn goofed
0 likesPeople who pull a gun for anything are the worst 🙄 especially when they are the ones that instigate fights with unarmed people.
1 like@Jamal Labarge A constitution that came into force 1789 might not be up to date anymore, don't you think so? There are not many native Americans roaming the streets that want your wife and your cattle and you need to defend yourself. BTW: Wall Street doesn't need gun control, stealing is their main business. The Sullivan Act is in force since 1911! Stay under your rock and work on your argumentation and on your bias, the world moves on.
0 likesI dont think this guy is a racist or psycopath. It is one of those situations where life can go terribly wrong. Everyone has those in life. Just most of the times it turn good. Does not need to be a shootout. It can be walking 5 mins before a bomb explodes or racing with your car for 1 min through the city.
0 likesI dont excuse him though. He could have managed the situation in many more different ways.
His partner was remarkable. How difficult it must be to do the right thing in those circumstanced. Put honesty above love knowing you're sending the love of your life on a life sentence.
I never understood why those types of people don't just move to a waring country and enlist as a mercenary or try to be a delivery trucker/bus driver where the supply lines are attacked routinely. Probably couldn't handle real violence/war.
0 likes@Lukkaboc You need to be disciplined under those conditions, yes?
0 likesNow they could do what some Italians were doing during the Balkan Civil Wars. I read of rumors that some Italian "adventurers" would fly to the former Yugoslavia to shoot at people.
Me, I keep it in the holster.
@Robert Biondo "personally I think he was just a scared dumbass." I think this is really the only explanation. A lot of people calling him racist and looking for a gunfight. I doubt that... I suspect there was some racial profiling going on considering everything he's said, but at the same time, what with the music and the confrontational attitude he recieved after asking them to turn down the music. I think him branding them as "thugs" was justified from his perspective. That turns them from a group of kids to a group of people you don't want to mess with and one of them is now visibly agitated over such an innocent request. Who's to say what they'll do if this confrontation escalates?
0 likesSo he ended it first. I don't doubt he saw some object or precieved some motion they made as reaching for a gun so he reacted.
To me this whole scenario happened due to a stupid escalation of a non-conflict on both sides and Dunn capped it off with misinterpreting their reactions as a threat to his life. There are likely psychological factors at play as others have mentioned, like being a gun-nut/ passive racism etc. But I think the bulk of what happened was due to him being scared and stupid.
Yo, this comment actually gave me some insight. Thank you, it's not a good thing to think that way, life isn't a movie or fantasy novel, unfortunately.
0 likes@Bogus Billiam rude.
0 likes@Y Don't shoot me bro.
0 likes@Rick yes it is with corrupt in power, illegally. # patriotsrising #JesusChristisLord
0 likesThose are some wise words, Waddles
0 likes@Jamal Labarge tf is a nerd occupation lmao
0 likes@qwerty asdf STEM and such.
0 likesWe all work for Nerds - they helped Biden get out the vote after all.
@Jamal Labarge ??????? Why are you talking about politics? I’m just confused. I guess I’ll agree that nerds rule the world tho
1 likeYou're sooo right dude. They usually end up being cops or soldiers though, so this is a oddball.
0 likes@Dorin Oprea How was firing 10 shots at 3 unarmed teens, killing 1 justify an acquittal?
0 likesLol. Everyone is about that life, until someone actually is. Then everybody is about that victim status. Helter Skelter, the whole world is upside down
0 likesOh he’s going to have a fun time in duval county jail 😭
0 likesIf You don't like the Music someone is playing parked beside You, Blast Your Music as loud as possible. Just make sure You have a louder System than they do.
1 likeU can tell that even his wife knew that was he was sayin was total bs.
0 likesCrazy to think that this all started because of a wine bottle
0 likesHe ruined his own case so badly you almost feel sorry him. But his complete lack of remorse makes that impossible.
1 likeOn this earth you can do what ever you want when I’m saying you can do what ever you want i mean you can Fight/Steel/cheat/ or have sex behind your partner back whatever those things are normally things on this earth that we are leaving but do not do one thing Bro take someone’s life no do not 😭
0 likesI feel bad for Rhonda
0 likesThe fact that he unloaded two rounds on that car and continued to shoot as they drove away tells me all I need to know
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YES
7 likesYeah. No one can say what was on his mind other than what he admittedly said.
14 likesIf it was the guys home and was physically attacked or if the shooter reasonably knew he was going to be fatally attacked ( with weapon like in a car jack), maybe he could claim castle doctrine. But this is a killing. Be nice to everyone or you may be an asshole to the wrong person. Ain’t worth it!
@Sauce Johnson he was the real tugga hugga that night 💋
0 likes@Sauce Johnson THIS 💯
0 likesHe should of hidden from the "danger" Notify the people that he is armed and will shoot and if they continuing being hostile shoot shots lethal or not. Why didnt he learn that at his "army training"
18 likes@Colby 1000000%
0 likesThese dudes ALWAYS start trouble then when they get a rise out of their “target” they pull a gun and claim “self defense”. There are trials on tv right now about the same situations. These “stand your ground” laws are being taken advantage of by these types of dudes.
46 likesHe's a hero.
2 likesright? and he said he was scared for his life but yet the kids were the ones running away?? oh and he stepped out the car, into the open and kept shooting
13 likes@Jim Jo ‘Stand your ground’ laws aren’t the issue. They’re irrelevant in this situation. This guy was looking for any excuse and made a very bad (stupid) decision. The law dealt with him accordingly.
11 likesThere’s nothing wrong with the law. If YOU want to flee an armed intruder with your loved ones in your house, feel free. People shouldn’t go to prison for defending their homes and loved ones.
Good luck 🍀👍
@Swim Jane Swim - Crime and Horror
11 likesA few people talk shit, so you decide to draw a weapon and fire a warning shot?
It was a hell of a lot more then two rounds
2 likes@Sarah Bryant nice last name
0 likes@David P. So you think the dude lives at the gas station? Can you pass me whatever it is you're smoking?
2 likesOver music he doesn't like.
2 likesSTAY OFF THE Rum & Coke 🍻🍻🍻
2 likesThe fact you just said two rounds tells me everything I need to know XD
3 likes@empty windex bottle are you insane? What danger does 3 teenage boys in a car with loud music pose?
6 likes@JessicaMarlana None, that is why i wrote "danger" as to refer what he was saying
1 like@empty windex bottle What uh... what exactly do you think a car door would do to protect you from a shotgun?
0 likesHe starts a confrontation with 4 young dudes in a car and pulls out a gun as soon as someone says something to him..
2 likesHe doesn't need to fire shots for me to see what kind of person this is.
@Vinnie G If you put your bias down for a second, the victims literally said that it was the one boy that started the confrontation after he came back out to the car.
0 likes@Xen N Ah yes the part where Michael says: Put the music down'' never happened then?
0 likesIt's the freaking definition of confrontation if you walk up to 3 strangers and, in Michael's own words :''Ask / Demand'' they put the music down...
@Sauce Johnson the fact that he drove that day tells me everything you need to know 💯
0 likesWhen 1 man drives up and tells three other guys "Turn your fuking music down" something is not adding up. Just turn the music down for a min and live to see another day. People need to use their head and stop being so confritational.
0 likes@David P. Alcohol was on his mind, for one. Which in no way makes this better-in fact, worse. I just wanted to point that out as that could be an additional charge in some states...
0 likessad.
0 likesGod help us all.
Wtf I am misunderstanding the beggining of this video. Didn’t he say he was the victim? He was clearly the aggressor and the thug and a murder.
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Yes. He was trying to play the victim for sympathy
1 likeRhonda the unsung hero.
2 likesI'm confused. So the driver of the victims car was 17. Yet the cop said they only stopped so the driver could get cigarettes...
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The driver was 18 , the victim was 17 years old
8 likesMega props to Rhonda for being honest and as collected as possible. She's an MVP
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Absolutely agree.
18 likesHer righteousness must not be taken for granted.
She dodged a bullet with him being in prison
14 likes@Lillie ૮₍ . ̫.⑅₎ა I have no idea why she was with him to begin with. He's so gross.
7 likessalt hindsight is 2020
5 likesYou can hear the pain in her voice the poor woman
5 likesWhen this video started, I had this weird feeling that she was going to cover for him and she was faking her anxiety on the stand.
3 likesThe longer it went on, the more and more I respected her. That had to be so difficult to do, and it clearly wasn’t easy for her, but she handled it like a fuckin champ.
the most karen case I have ever heard
1 likeHe fucked up his life. He had a good life and a pretty fiancé! Smh!
0 likesThe ego is a monster in some people
0 likesSad thing is that many people, police or not, have shot and killed many people because they "think" they "saw" a gun or what could've been a gun.. All over the news/ world citizens and police have killed with that mindset or lying about that very mindset being the reason they shot to begin with.. It's so sad. I feel for that kid and his family.. RIP
0 likesThe fact that the boys backed out, circled the parking lot and waited until HE left to go back to the spot, tells me that THEY were the ones feeling threatened. A car of 'thugs' would have followed him or returned fire.
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Its prolly racism paired with shitty gun control laws that caused the entire scenario in the first place
30 likesWhat, when ya mates int back bleeding out? Don’t think so tbh
1 like_ Wayfinder _ well to say that those kids were thugs obviously implies that it was racially motivated no? I mean that word is literally always used to describe black, teenage boys. Plus if there was more gun control then I’m pretty sure he wouldn’t have been able to have a gun so easily in the first place no?
6 likes@Coochie flip flops no. that word is not always used to describe black teenage boys. and, therefore it is not obvious that this was racially motivated. yes, gun control would make it harder for him to get a gun. however, it still wouldn't be very hard. and, denying the ability for responsible people to protect themselves behind the actions of an idiot not only makes no sense, its completely unethical. just because something makes you uncomfortable doesn't mean it's a bad thing. you're allowed to not like something. you're allowed to be uncomfortable about things. you cannot legislate away everything that makes you uncomfortable, though. that creates a lot more problems that im betting you're not considering.
4 likes@Coochie flip flops I'm sorry the word thug means criminal, if YOU hear that word and think "black, teenage boys" then I think that's something for you to work out, but that's your bias.
6 likes@Hurricane Meridian gun control wouldnt prevent shit like this from happening
1 like@Hurricane Meridian So the 'kids' in the car blasting violent music had no part in it?
0 likesFacts. What a disgraceful human being.
0 likes@Zylthis I don't think it's the individuals fault of that line of thought. I typically associate the word thug with young guys that hand out in groups on the street and accost other people, usually with clothing that matches what you'd expect such people to wear. It just so happens that black people tend toward some of these traits more than white people which I think is largely a cultral thing. I also dont believe it to be inherrantly bad to be seen as a "thug" but I know that boomers especially have a problem with it
0 likesWhat? Their friend was dying, or already dead and they didn’t flee to a hospital or call the cops? Nah, they were worried about the gun they tossed.
1 like@Coochie flip flops Gun control doesn't stop people from getting their hands on guns if they really want to. There's always a black market for weapons. Even if it was made completely illegal for U.S. citizens to own guns, you can bet there would still be quite a few people acquiring them nonetheless.
0 likes@Trump2020 Thug also includes someone who pulls a gun out and shoots into a car with no regard for life. You left that out of the definition of a thug. This man acted like a gangster more than the kids who okay pretend to be a gangster. This man acted like a real gangster or thug. And he's a terrible liar. Tell the whole story.
1 likeJohn Bistis does that justify taking a life tho? No
0 likes@Symmetrics it would be way less people though, which makes for less gun violence
0 likes@Trump2020 regardless of whether or not they turned down the music does it really justify Mike shooting at the car and killing a child?
0 likes@Trump2020 I like that fact that you are justifying murder of a teenage boy bc he and his friends didn't want to turn music down. Think about that .
0 likesThink of a problem family member you have, think of all the things you did as a teenager. Imagine you're black and you did what ever you did wrong, in front of this guy. You think you'd be alive?
Were you never a shit head as a teenager?
By the way I'm not calling the music dudes shit heads. They wanted to hear music and we're shot at for it.
@HandOfThemis to call hip hop thug music, totally makes this racially motivated. People who can all hip hop thug music, are people who call all black people thugs.
0 likes@Chad Love yes teenagers do.
0 likesStop justifying murder please.
@Chad Love no. Ever heard of free speech? Same shit with music choice.
0 likes@Daisy Belle that's a good question, why did they come back? I'm assuming they didn't know he was hit. They said he died pretty fast.
0 likesI don't think they had a gun, bc according to his girlfriend he never told her that he saw a gun.
@John Bistis but there's no evidence of that.
0 likesLived all those years as a narcissistic psychopath before being found out?
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Very common
0 likeswhy this looks fake? like the first scenes, preparation, cameras, perfect ilumination
0 likesRemember this when you're blaring your music in public.
0 likesEnjoy your bed n breakfast in prison with extra thug life music
2 likesI'm really glad he just started talking without a lawyer.
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@Salmon Sandwich a few.
3 likes@Zangief ☭ Watching the First 48, its amazing how many people casually admit to murder
26 likes@Salmon Sandwich yeah I almost got charged with a serious crime once but I've seen JCS so ... Lawyered up baby.. the da rejected the case and they freed me 😈🤔👌 I did talk to the cops during the interrogation though... I was like I'm innocent get me a lawyer.
22 likesAbsolutely. If a lawyer would have got to him beforehand, this may have ended completely different. Just imagine that. This dude getting pissed at some black guys because of music and out of nowhere decides to shoot at um thinking he's gonna scare um or something but ends up fucking KILLING one of them yet he might've walked if a lawyer would have got to him. Wow.
14 likes@MasterClassComments yeah because the prosecutor has to divulge all of the witnesses all of the evidence etc. he did have one thing going for them in the most of the time there was really loud noise on so nobody heard exactly what was being said. Unfortunately he changed his story so many times and he lied about the other man getting out of the car when there were other witnesses that were not in the car that corroborated the statements of the people that were in the car. yeah if he had shut up and just waited for all of the evidence and all of the witnesses to be assigned in the case he could have totally gotten his story perfectly straight and would have told it the first time on the witness stand and it would have been believable... In such a scenario I imagine he would have maybe got in 5 to 10 years even after being convicted because the judge would have been unable to tell whether or not the story is true. Also, I have no idea why they didn't press the issue that a weapon could have been thrown out the door of the SUV as they were driving away. I heard no mention of that and if I had been his lawyer I would have hammered that one home that... That there was ample ability for the people in the car to dispose of a weapon.
6 likesIt's even worse when people are also being falsely accused for a murder but also started talking to the police without a lawyer. This goes both ways.
12 likesDude watched making a murderer ONCE and told himself he could beat a murder case
6 likes@MasterClassComments ur correct💯💯
0 likes@MasterClassComments if his wife hadn't told him to buy that bottle of wine...
3 likes@Salmon Sandwich - True, but there were a ton of witnesses to this crime. I don't think he ever had any hope of walking.
0 likes@Sviolinist The detective said the boys never left the scene. They backed up, then Dunn left and they returned to the parking lot..
1 like@Darío Gallegos - Based on watching crime shows, the ones who beat the murder charges are wise enough to make sure there are no witnesses, the murder can be staged as accidental and or the body is not found. Sometimes, jurisdiction can work in favor of the accused if they don't have a large police dept or DA's office with seasoned investigators. That is rarely the case in a place like Florida.
0 likes@MasterClassComments - You mean another racist. That is what she is ,having decided to marry a hard core racist.
0 likeslol watch tom segura the first 48
0 likes@Salmon Sandwich what’s wrong if you talk to the police without a lawyer? I don’t understand.
0 likesThe arrogant ones usually do.
0 likes@Salmon Sandwich Narcissist
0 likes@Salmon Sandwich we learn from their mistakes
0 likes@Salmon Sandwich you'd actually be surprised. Modern evidence collection and technology really allow us to recreate scenes and scenarios with minimal to no witness testimony, given the situation. A criminal can say all they want, but evidence doesn't lie. Lawyer or no lawyer. Plus, the difference between a lawyer and an attorney, is that lawyers chase ambulances, and attorneys practice law lol. I had to be cheeky, cheers.
0 likes@Sviolinist what did you do i am not a cop
0 likes@milk testing woman i didn't do anything. I was charged with domestic violence but i have 2 strikes coulda done life. Btw my first strike was for a crime i was innocent of and i was convicted because i talked to police. That and more brought me to jcs
0 likesIm not a cop = u are a cop they lie like crazy in these videos 😜
Right what a clown to be fare hes white and in Florida so
0 likes@Salmon Sandwich no lmao.
0 likes@Wincofufu Game Police interrogators are more interested in acquiring confessions or incriminating evidence than actually investigating a crime. If they can get a guy to confess to something just through conversation it looks really good on their record and is often a fast track to promotion. This is fine when they've got someone who is actually guilty, but it can be devastating and irreparably destructive to justice when an interrogator is just hungry for the prestige of a confession to the point where they care more about that than correctly solving the case. Anyone who knows anything about any legal system will tell you to not talk to the police where you're not absolutely required to because they have an uncanny knack for making someone who is completely innocent walk out of the station as a criminal. Shut up and let your attorney do the talking, always.
2 likes@Max Smith how did you deduct that she is a racist???
0 likes@Wincofufu Game The police can twist and turn everything you say, AMD you can be found guilty of a crime you had nothing to do with. I know it sounds crazy, but until you have been in a legal situation, it is impossible to understand, or even believe. Trust me when I say, if you are charged with a crime, you are guilty until you prove your innocence. You can be charged with a crime, put in jail, held on lets say a $50,000 bond. Now if you can't afford to get out, how can you hire a lawyer? If you dont have the money to bond out, you certainly don't have the money for a retainer, and you can't work to put money together. So, NEVER speak to police without a lawyer present
0 likes@Joe Malloy - She dated and lived with a racist. And i am sure if she did not agree with his views, he would kick her to the curb.
0 likes@Shawn rb Perfect pattern hey man, I'm white and in Florida. Relax bro
0 likesHis mom and dad are made of glass the world can see through him
0 likesLive and Let Live He says!! :)
0 likesWe know what this was about…
1 likethe kid jordan, his mom became a Georgia congresswoman...after mutliple child losses.
0 likes"You shot at the door. What was the purpose of that?"
1697 likes"To save my life"
"From the door?"
I couldn't stop laughing.
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The cop ask this to make him admit that he knew there was a person behind that door. Could be the difference between murder and manslaughter.
38 likesMust not be from the city, most shootings accure from a moving vehicle behind a closed car door..
5 likesI knew I'd find this on the comments, hilarious!!👌🏾😅🤣
7 likes@Andrew Freeston yep. Life is better that way.
27 likes@Chad K how would ot be unreasonable tf
4 likesWow what does that even mean
0 likesWow what does that even mean
0 likesWell he does seem to have been hallucinating so it's possible he saw the door coming at him in a threatening manner.
3 likesChad K maybe because what he did was unreasonable?
1 likespoiler
0 likesThey threathened to kill him with loud music.3or 4 of them,he alone..selfdefense book example..just throw away the key..
1 like@Jeffrey Epstein's Rotten corpsegay af
1 likeGUNS AND ALCOHOL DO NOT GO WELL TOGETHER 😕 ...I KNOW I LEARNED THE HARD WAY .
0 likesGreat, another every 7 mins you get 2 ads video. Where as I watched the entire Casey Anthony with zero ads. I don't get this channel. Great content. Shitty advertisements.
0 likesTook it from 0 to 100 now your in jail for murder my boi
0 likesMaking up things as he goes along.
1 likeFrom the beginning of the interview, you can tell this guy is totally expecting the investigators to say something along the lines of, "Okay sir, thank you for your time. You're free to go." In his mind, he is completely justified. There is no inkling whatsoever on his part of how over the top pants-crappingly insane the shit he just pulled really was. I know it's Florida and all, but Jesus.
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If he thought he was completely justified why would he lie so much about what happened?
5 likes@Top Weeb ego protection. Which is exactly why he can’t understand “how over the top pants-crappingly insane the shit he just pulled” was. He mentally convinced himself that he really was the victim. First on the car ride home and again after he was incarcerated.
51 likesHaha yup. “Thank you for your service sir. You’re free to go.” Crazy.
9 likes@Top Weeb because people like him are actually delusional
0 likesthis guy is insanely wreckless, in Texas 1/4 white men r like this by the way
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As a guy with 5 other brothers I'd say it's closer to 1/3 haha
0 likesWhy didn’t he stay for his son’s whole reception instead of bringing the dog and leaving early?
0 likesGod bless Rhonda
0 likesI honestly don’t get why someone in this situation who is obviously guilty or at least responsible for the death of a teen, and just not admit your I’ll intention. He’s already dead, wether you did because you were afraid or because you just didn’t like the music is minor. If you racist you rascist, if you scared you scared, don’t be a racist then retract under ppl eyes
0 likesRhonda clearly blames herself for all this happening, cause she wanted to stop and get the wine.
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So basically she sent him away lol
7 likes@AK set his ass up? She's not a psychic bruh how was she supposed to know this would happen?
328 likes@TheStickyDynamite exactly, wanting to get a bottle of wine after a celebratory family event isn’t a set up, idk what they are thinking 😭
212 likes@Sarah S he obviously doesn’t mean set up in the literal sense
10 likesthis is why you don't drink alcohol kids, one minute you stop at a gas station to get a bottle and the next you're facing life in prison without the possibility of parole
27 likes@AK the only person responsible for the outcome of that scenario that happened like that, and his own failure, is the shooter himself. rhonda had no idea in her mind that her fiancé would do something like that, nor had no way of predicting the future and knowing that would go down. and yes i agree, it’s sick, definitely believe it was racially motivated as well, and it’s genuinely saddening that, that had happened.
47 likesHopefully some day she comes to realize the incident was completely the fault of the guys who had their music up too loud.
4 likes@biscuitbear or the person who shot at them
26 likes@jessica or the store clerk that took too long to sell the durango drivers cigarettes
3 likes@Yuri Tarded it’s literally no ones fault, but the shooter himself
30 likes^ he is the person responsible for the life lost that night
2 likes4:40 given her age she might take that guilt with her all the way. Ironically she really probably learned via the hubby to victim shame herself
6 likesIt's not nessesarily that she blames herself, but rather she knows that had she not requested to make a stop for wine, then none of it would've happened. As much as she recognizes her partners actions were not her own, she can't help but feel somewhat responsible for what happened.
10 likes@TheStickyDynamite For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. John 3:16😁
3 likes@AK For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. John 3:16😁
2 likesIf I was engaged to him I would definitely need bottles of wine.
5 likes@AK I disagree that SHE has ANY responsibility in this, and her actions afterwards demonstrate this. She probably (unconsciously) made the very basic assumption that she could leave her fiancée in the parking lot for 5 minutes while she got a bottle of wine, and not worry about him murdering a child.
8 likesHe is completely and totally at fault here and I very much agree with the second part of your statement. He didn’t like the way a Black kid was talking to him so he decided to react aggressively and escalate the situation in a deadly way, 00% regard for the human lives in that vehicle, 100% care for his own ego and not tolerating it being stepped on. I have a feeling he feels sad for the consequences for himself, but glad for the outcome of the boy being dead.
This guy seems very much like someone with narcissistic and/or antisocial personality disorder, showing no real emotion or regard for any of what happened, besides slightly when it actually implicates his guilt.
His total lack of emotional responses and ease of telling lies, and various disturbing commentaries, is all very concerning.
To be honest…. Bc this seems to shed light of his character…. She could have just as well saved her own life since he is so trigger happy…. I’d hate to see her get outta line.
3 likes@biscuitbear lmao it's a 17 year old teenager lol.
0 likesI just want to give her a hug. :(
2 likesShe might blame herself because she saw the signs and knows she shouldn’t be with such a person
2 likesWhy would she blame herself. She obviously doesn't anyway?
0 likesShit I didn't think of it that way. Who knows for sure if that's what she's thinking. I think it's likely, yes, but that is a very good point. Maybe she thinks that, and if she did, maybe she also thought yes the wine was my idea but he could've come in with me so as to not deal with the music so he says.
3 likesI don’t feel that bad for her. She’s been with him for 4 years......she has seen his evil many times before.
1 likeAs she should have. And then she left the scene of a murder
2 likesEveryone is entitled to have a few drinks on a night out without the risk of pumping a clip into someone.
2 likesGuys, this just shows why you don't get married. She'll throw you under the bus. And then a bunch of women on youtube will agree with her.
1 likeI’d feel the same way
0 likes@IAmLegend English has rules for a reason lmao
0 likesWondering if it made her quit drinking...........
0 likesWhat a difference one choice makes.
0 likesA question to Americans from an European - how are you guys not scared to live in a country where someone can just pull out a firearm and shoot you over something trivial?
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I think it depends on where you live . If you would love somewhere up north where the gun laws are more strict the chances of someone shooting you would be higher. But down in the south they just passed a law to make it so you don’t need a license to conceal carry a weapon, so you never know who’s gonna have a gun. I think that’s why the massacres tend to happen more up north .
2 likesRhonda is getting split in half while he spends the rest of his life in prison.
0 likesHis name might be Michael but his voice is Toby and the logic is Jean..
0 likesHis fiancé has to be one of the nicest voices I’ve ever heard, so brave of her to testify against her own fiancé because she knew what was right
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it was her boyfriend, whom she soon after dumped.
5 likes@Max Smith my bad, I meant fiancé
10 likesOr she testified because otherwise she'd incriminate herself by contradicting everything she said while interviewing with the police prior.
19 likesOr could be a bit of both. Either way justice found its way.
@Gerald Bouey my point was more so that she didn’t feel tempted to bend the truth, unlike a lot of other people who would do that to protect their loved ones
10 likes@Dunker Bunker I think that aside from doing what is right, she also knew that it was in her best interests to testify against him. The man murdered some stranger for no reason, I think she knew that it could have just as easily been her who died
1 like@Gerald Bouey if she intended to defend him she would have done it since the police interrogation, she's just a good person doing the right thing.
1 likeshe was. she was understanding of the situation and stood for what's right. she is a really good person.
0 likes@dris If Michael didn't know he was being arrested until near the end of the interview, how much more do you think she knew? She gave essential evidence against him without knowing the whole story or that he was being placed under arrest.
0 likesHow could she dispute anything she said during the interview if she decided to try and help him later on? Her testimony would immediately be thrown out the window.
I'm not disputing her character, just that it wouldn't make sense for her to even try and defend him.
@Gerald Bouey if she had planned to defend him at all she wouldn't have said the absolute truth at the police department she would have atleast left some minor details but she didn't, it's annoying to see people try to discredit her by saying she was only saving Herself
0 likesI just wanna know what Micheal was thinking? Shoot some people over a disagreement? Talk his way out of it and say he was in danger? He's delusional.
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1 likeIt seems disrespectful to put ads on content like this in the first place but the clorox sponsorship is a little much
1 likeAlmost forgot to watch Mike convict himself today
1 likeI am not defending the man, but I do think that when strong young men (of any color) have their tempers up it can be very intimidating.
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Yeah I am sure "rum & coke" parked next to them because he felt intimidated
4 likesI feel sorry for his fiancee, she seemed so disturbed by the events. She stayed honest, and showed remorse for the unnecessary death.
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She feels guilty because it was her idea to stop and get wine
10 likesHe shoulda married Rhonda. She wouldn't have had to testify. But he might have been a piece of crap boyfriend too. I wonder how this would have played out if he wasn't narcissistic enough to talk to the police and hired a lawyer? Also, he left the scene because he was most likely drunk.
1 likeHe hates thug music so he acts like a thug🤷🏽♀️ ohhh ok🤔
1 likepoor dead kid Over a radio
1 likePoor lady she’s been they alot it seems too
i believe he has no remorse nor feels guilty but i have a strange feeling he’s telling the truth - just refuses to admit it was a genuine mistake and that he is sorry.
0 likesMike is definetly a scary guy. luckily he was stupid enough not to ask for a lawyer right away.
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Josefine honestly without a gun or anything that could resemble a gun in the car his case would still be weak... Ofc there wouldn’t be all these inconsistencies in the stories he made up on the go any time he asked, disregarding any former stories
6 likesLol the only reason he got so "brave" was because of the gun he had on hand. Let's see how he holds up in prison without one.
18 likesDont even need a lawyer. Just need to claim the 5th amendment
2 likesIgnorance and stupidity are not the same thing.
0 likes@blazeaglory thats correct but hed still need a lawyer at some point to get him out of the mess he got himself into.
0 likesscary? no. stupid? yes.
0 likes@Isbandiyah M. TH sadly it would... i repect lawyers but at times its a sin.
0 likesDesigner, this guy reminds me of Timmy Turner. "Kill everybody 🚶♂️, turn turn down the music, b4 i kill everybody walking.
0 likesDon't talk to the police!!!! Ever!!!
1 likeAlso, the black guy interviewing him says "do you know which one you hit"? and he immediately said "I hope it's the one that I shot"!!! Also, I believe it was a hate crime that stemmed from racism, he just would not look at that man interviewing him, I think it's because he was black.
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Timestamp plz
0 likesALWAYS ask for a Lawyer!
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Always! Always! ALWAYS! Even if you’re innocent ask for a lawyer. Also NEVER accept gifts from police such as food or drink all they want is dna
0 likesSummary: Guy calls kids thugs, then acts like a thug himself.
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But they aren't thugs.
9 likes@Mark Myers the commenter didn't say they were
126 likesYou know he wanted to call them the n word so bad.
133 likes@s103792 totally you can hear him almost mentioning it a few times
46 likesSeeing as how thug is a doctrinal word used to describe black people existing, I would say this guy wasn't acting like a thug at all. In fact, those who use that word to refer to PoC are usually found to have ties to white nationalism.
50 likes@bobafet106 maybe if people weren't taught to shoot at things they're annoyed at, a boy wouldn't be dead. What's your point?
19 likesOmega Haxors I call my blond hair blue eye white little brother a thug when he’s acting a fool, didn’t realize it was a racial thing, just thought it was an adjective to describe any one who’s up to some mischief.
9 likes@MageofDoomsie it's not a racial thing when used on white people, but is used towards black people to further the supremacist ideology that all black people are criminals. When not used on black/brown people, it's pretty much harmless
40 likesLogan Mook here’s a thing though, I have a black friend and growing up he would always call himself a thug (in reality he’d never hurt a fly), and as we got older he stopped. I asked him why and he said he was just perpetuating a negative stereotype and stopped. So is it perpetuating a stereotype if black/brown people use the term themselves?
4 likes@MageofDoomsieI think that that question comes down to personal perspective. Im honestly not sure how I feel. I certainly think anyone can perpetuate a stereotype, but I also think that the idea of generalizing an entire ethnicity due to the actions of a marginalized few is much worse than simply calling yourself one of the negative stereo types. Honestly tho I think if any black person wants to refer to themselves as anything that's purely up to them and not me
11 likes@MageofDoomsie It's not always a straight racial thing but it definitely can be and this sad situation shows how it can go to the extreme. Had these kids been white I don't think they'd be dead Micheal would've probably just thought "Stupid kids lower your crappy music" and gone on with his day but since they're black his thoughts shifted to "Oh these thugs are criminals" and looked for any reason to justify his killing.
17 likesfluid motion
0 likesYeah...Thugs because they listen to music. Apparently I'm a White grandmother, aka...a thug. Because I love music too! classic case of racial profiling. I'd love to hear his definition of a thug.
7 likes@Drd20 definitely it's a huge ego thing there's clearly a lot of insecurities in the actions of a man who would willingly murder young men cause they had a rebuttal
4 likes@MageofDoomsie people used to slap womens ass at work too as societies and people grow older what is and isn't acceptable change as people get wiser.
1 likeOmega Haxors we’ll, where I’m from a thug can and often does describe people off all ethnicities.
2 likes@Mez if you're from America than that's a very narrow view, as regardless of person use, the word is colloquially used as a racial epithet. As much as I would love to take racial connotations away from words, ignoring the history behind some of those terms can be really irresponsible
0 likesLogan Mook idk from my experience I’ve not heard the word used or thought of with the connotation that the people it’s describing are black. I can’t find any reference to it originating as a derogatory term towards African Americans either. Now are there a lot of African-American “thugs”? Ya, our prison system is almost halfway made up of African Americans. But I’ve heard white people described as thugs as much as I have African Americans. Btw, I am white and have taken African-American psychology and do charity work to help thinks like the male African-American graduation rates in the U.S
3 likess103792 “waiting for another load of...thugs..”
0 likesAnd he kept saying he was worried more would show up. Even when the detective said maybe they would come back and he corrected them saying or lie showing up. As if they are just some gang members with shooters right around the corner.
0 likesHes a man they are boys. Get a hold of yourself
0 likes@Rose Cullen idk, the word thug had been around for a long time. Bonnie and Clyde were thugs. The reason you probably think it means black people is because of all the focus on gang culture since the 80s, but society has used it to represent anyone who was a "trouble maker". I dont doubt this guy is a racist pos, but there is also truth that had he been black, this would have been just another Saturday night in my neighborhood. I can't even find a news story explaining the gun shots I heard the night before. That's the part that breaks my heart.
2 likes@Rose Cullen I did not know that people were taught to shoot at things that annoy them
0 likesHe didn’t say thug she edited what he said to cover up for him or maybe to avoid having to say it herself but we all know what he said and he uses that word all the time probably, when he called the prisoners animals he meant the same thing by that.
2 likesYeah, he thinks teens are adults while has has the ego of a child (one with 50 years of shitty memories).
1 like@MageofDoomsie it's not a racial thing. The word was around before there were blacks in america ffs
1 likePyropell That’s the direct definition but it’s used very often to describe Black people. They say it meaning the definition you use, but usually it’s not warranted, and the only reason they use it is to justify their actions against said people. To dehumanize them.
0 likesPyropell One connection you could make is to stereotypes that Asian people are bad I’m driving, now of course calling someone white bad at driving is not going to be anything offensive. You can even say that to an Asian and if it’s true that’s fine but, if they are good at driving and you call them bad at driving because their asian, that’s wrong.
0 likesClassic projection for sure. This man was definitely looking to start trouble.
0 likes"Black kid play the shooty bang music, I had to defend myself."
0 likesGuy calls kids thugs, but previously did horrible things to his ex-wives.
0 likes@s103792 “thug” is their acceptable replacement for the n word.
0 likesPretty much.
0 likesracially motivated
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honestly a hate crime imo
2 likesI miss JCS
2 likesDam, this is ridonkulus!!!!!!
0 likesHe's not a good liar
0 likesThis guy is completely detached from reality. Not only does he kill a kid over not liking „thug music“, but then also thinks he’ll get away with claiming it was self defense and is surprised that he is charged with murder. And on top of all that he thinks he is the „victim“ in the situation.
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Racism
76 likes@Jane Baker that’s what you got out of this? Maybe you’re detached from reality as well
9 likes@Orion Scott they aren’t minorities.
1 like@Scripted S. you're saying no racism to see here?
27 likesHe doesn't think he's the victim, he is portraying himself that way.
1 like@Scripted S. Anyone who isn't white in America is a minority.
14 likesCommas aren't quotation marks.
2 likes@Scripted S. I'm the type of guy who fucking hates when people bring up race just to do it (I'm white btw), but man how can you not see that this guy clearly thought he shot somebody that was not worth to live? If you add that with thinking all 5 guys were violent, they were listening to 'thug' music then yeah, the first thing that comes to mind is racism. I bet you that guy doesn't even think he killed a human being, I mean he not once mentioned he was sorry for what he's done, he's even boasting on the phone for being 'a victor turned to victim'...
12 likes@Arch Bishop of the crusades oh please, he shot at the car thinking "he was gonna show those kids a lesson" and he wound up shooting that kid. He was already drinking and went back to the hotel and pretended like nothing happened. He might not be a racist 100000% but he for sure knows his rights and his privilages.
4 likesThere’s some states where they have laws basically justifying murder as long as you can claim it was out of self defense and provide evidence. He was probably trying to rely on one of those laws but instead just failed miserably since there’s no justifying what he did
0 likes@Basil it’s not murder if it’s self defense. Obviously this is not self defense, but I didn’t like you calling self defense “justifying murder.”
0 likesDoesn't like "thug music". Proceeds to fire his gun into a vehicle with the intention of taking someone out. Pretty much exactly what a thug would do.
1 likeNarc
0 likes@Scripted S. You clearly don’t know what a minority is, because black is definitely a minority in the US.
0 likes@Carl Panzram Yeah and nearly 80% of america is white while all the other races are less than 15%. That makes them minorities
0 likesmoral of the story: mind your business
0 likes3:21 how long have you known Mr done for.
0 likesWhat do you mean No Bond, I just saw the new James Bond with a Black 007. Michael would've loved her.
0 likesGenius videos
0 likesThe way Rhonda says "that...thug music" you can feel the venom in Mike's voice through her discomfort. I feel so bad for her.
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@mur No, thank you. I prefer the truth.
13 likesAnd, apparently, just speaking truth is now considered the new "hate speech" unfortunately.
@Timmy Vawwter oh right, you just have to make it like "you can't speak the truth nowadays or you'll get hated on" to justify your racism. listening to music isn't a crime, killing someone is. yeah, it wasn't the best of them to blast the music back again but that doesn't make it in any way okay for michael to pull out a gun. he literally did it because they didn't co-operate with him about such an insignificant issue like the volume of music
173 likes@Timmy Vawwter sadly this life isn't black or white, people esp young ones are loud, annoying or break minor laws - even stealing beer from a gas station is - in my mind - not a reason to take or threaten a life. I get where you come from with your reasoning, life is still much more valuable than a simple felony like listening to music too loud in public. There are steps you can choose to take before threatening or hurting people. Usually children who lack the ability to articulate themselves they become frustrated and often switch to aggressive behavior. If that issue is never resolved this turns into a grown adult acting that way, easily triggered by small things. They are often in a ego-driven state and justify their actions through pointing out other peoples failures. Imo taking anyones life or even threatening that can never be justified over one simple mistake a stranger does. I myself was in a state of mind similar to this as teenager, I hated people and glared at them judging each step but it's simply not fair. It's not the others. It was me and I changed my thought process, starting self reflecting my actions and adapted. It's not easy if you didn't grow up in a "happy family setting" but - let's be honest - most people don't have it easy and we can't assume anything without talking to them in depth. Everyone has a story. I choose no violence until my life is in true danger, what would you choose?
20 likes@Timmy Vawwter dude just say “we live in a society” and save yourself the trouble of typing an essay’s worth of Joker-tier monologue
82 likes@SusuSketches listening to loud music in public isn't any kind of felony, simple misdemeanor at best.
42 likesI thought she said "dub music" but could have been wrong.
1 like@Timmy Vawwter You don't get to act as judge, jury and executioner for any crime. No society on earth accepts killing people for minor offences. The problem here is not primarily with those being discourteous to others, it is with a certain class of person (usually white, male, middle aged and middle class) feeling they need to prove they're a man by shooting someone that doesn't show them the respect they believe they deserve.
20 likes@Tc Clish nah I think that guy was racist
32 likes@Tc Clish He literally was implying that it was about race through his entire comment. I agree with your sentiment but this was literally was just racism lmao
11 likes@LOTTO Оh no, someone wrote his own analytical opinion. Lets make fun of him!
0 likesGrow up.
@Voil Velev oh damn it's Timmy's alt account
11 likes@Tc Clish he called them thugs after presumably watching the video explaining that they were just normal ass kids, calling them thugs for playing loud music is where race came into play. Bc what other reason would he feel the need to label them thugs
5 likes@Timmy Vawwter What did you originally say I'm kinda interested?
0 likesWell, it IS thug music.
3 likesThats not even racist or anything like that, they litteraly constantly talk about thug shit, selling drugs, doing drugs, raping woman, killing people, killing police, being a gangster etc.
So, if it was your usual rap, it definitely was thug music.
I mean, it does throw a bad light on your character if you sorround yourself with a criminal Degenerated Culture.
Its not "black" culture to be a violent rapist Murderer is it? Its thug culture.
Hes probably still a racist, it does shines through. But still, this particular statement is entirely true, in my opinion.
I too listen too rap, but still, its NOT anything to be proud of. Selling and doing crack or opiates, doing SERIOUS crimes, taking lifes. Thats some toxoc stuff, and it DOES corrupt the minds Of young people no doubt.
@Carl Panzram don’t generalize rap into thug music, might have been started and popularized by “thug culture” as you would put it but it’s a lot more than that. A genre of music such as rap, jazz, or rock has many sub genres under each category. Gangsta rap and big band swing jazz for example differs a lot from pop rap like drake or whoever and fusion jazz like snarky puppy, but they’re both considered rap and jazz. Music can’t throw a bad light on anyones character, that’s why there’s Christian metal music. It’s about the actual character of that person, someone who assumes that a person who listens to rap music is a thug for example is probably not that thoughtful or kind compared to their peers.
11 likes@Allen Madigan Ofcourse its very diverse, not all rap is about crime and violence, but most of it is.
3 likesA lot of Poprap is also about crime and violence.
And of course just listening to it doesn't mean anything, but bring involved and assimilating to that culture DOES mean something. In my social environment there are plenty of people who sell drugs and glorify violence and crime, and the reasonnfir that is that they are CONSTANTLY sorounded by "idols" who talk about that stuff, and then they are also sorounded by peers who also sorround thesmelves in that culture.
My little brother of 12 and his friends litteraly want to be criminals when they grow up. Its not just some juvenile stupidity, no being violent and criminal is something they actively idolize. They hate the police, they hate any authority, they dont respect woman, they dont respect their peers, they dont resoect the law, they dont respect anything.
This probably wouldn't have happened if their lead cultural influences would have been good.
BTW my brother has a healthy and functional home, a loving mother and father, me, my sister, a good neighborhood etc.
I dont know, i do think that it does corrupt people. It used to be a niche culture, it was young black people raooing about their life and its troubles in the hood. No one iutside of that environment though it had a meaning to them, it was simply music. Nowadays its just fake idiots peddling and glorifying a culture of violence and crime.
Talk shit, stabbed people, rob people, kill people, do drugs, sell drugs, be a prisoner a lowlife criminal. Thats NOT good.
Ofcourse people dislike it, and judge you for it.
Imagine someone listened and glorified nazi music eith texts that call for genocide and ethnic cleansing.
Yiu wouldn't want to have yiur people listen to that and idolize those "artists" and you wouldn't like people who do sorround themselves in that culture, right?
@Carl Panzram sometimes you just gotta think for yourself and appreciate art however you feel is appropriate. You could make the same argument about culture modifying behavior about a lot of stuff it’s just part of being human. Not all rappers associate themselves with criminal behavior and those that do are often ostracized by those who hold themselves and their practice to a higher standard. Most people don’t have the faculties to think for themselves when it come to culture so maybe artists or whoever controls PR for artists should hold themselves more accountable for the messages that might be construed from their art, but that kinda seems anti free speech
4 likesAnyone who gets that triggered over loud music deserves to be removed from society
6 likes@Carl Panzram dude...Tom Macdonald is a rapper who has saved countless lives through his music. Dax is much the same way. Yeah there is some rap that talks about bad shit but the dame can be said gor any kind of music. Many artists are trying hard to get rid of that shit. My point is you cannot make such accusations and still be logical
6 likesI thought that too
1 like@Carl Panzram when was the last time you listen to hip-hop? Yep back in the 90s early 2000 some and I repeat some of it was like that.
3 likes@Rodney Bever exactly
1 like@Carl Panzram it also bares to mention that I was like you up till a few years ago. I was a metal head and the only rap on my play list was beastie boys. I did not like what was being produced and assumed everything in that genre would be the same. Then I found Tom Macdonald who have me a light to follow out of darkness that had became my life. A rapper brought me back from the edge of suicide. I swear I will never again aloe myself to be judgemental over anything luke that ever since.
2 likes@commoguru simple inconvenience at best
0 likes@N L Wilson Boy you don't know much about Brazil then do you lol
0 likes@Huskers12 What the heck has Brazil got to do with anything? I can't even work out which of my comments you were referring to.
0 likes@Rodney Bever like I said in another comment - you're waiting for your wife in the store to get a bottle of wine, you're not at the drive in movies. Ignore it while you're there.
0 likes@najgorzej Saying "I hate that thug music" isn't racist, it is a fact.
2 likes@Carl Panzram so is horrorcore serial killer music? is dnb junkie music? how is rap "thug" music? that's incredibly racist yikes
2 likes@commoguru it's literally NOT A CRIME AT ALL
0 likes@My new channel YUPPPP
0 likes@sad satan no, saying that isn’t racist in itself, even though the man in the clip probably was
1 like@Playboi Gramsci It is depending on location & time of day. Noise ordinances are a thing, but they would not have been applicable here.
0 likes@sad satan Its not entirely about whats being said, but about the meaning behind it.
0 likesI listen to rap, i like it a lot, but purely as a art. I dont believe in killing cops, competitors, or being violent and misogynistic. A lot of rap artists do tho, and a lit of rap fans do too.
Do horrorcore artists and fans believe in murdering people?
If horrorcore would be extremely popular in a large Culture of serial killers, it would be something else.
I also hear her potentially changing the actual word he used in order to not have this case turn into a racially motivated one, which it very well was, despite that not coming to light.
0 likes@commoguru in most areas, it’s not illegal at all if it is illegal it’s mostly punishable by a fine :( def not worth loosing a life over that’s for sure
0 likes@Rodney Bever Yeah how dare someone get triggered over music because they're trying to sleep or study in silence.
0 likes@Sir Dankleberry how dare the world around you not conform to your desires. Life isn't about having it your way all the time. It is up to you how you react. Negatively or positively. Choice is yours mate. I choose virtue.
0 likes@commoguru literally what i said, i knew what time it was
0 likes@Allen Madigan ok yeah but also like it’s 3 17 year old kids trying to act tough and cool. You really think they are listening to Drake instead of Kodak Black? No way.
0 likes@Rodney Bever no, you deserve to be removed making statements like this bud lol people must have respect for one another
0 likes@E N you know more than I do bruv
0 likes@Allen Madigan clearly lol
0 likes@E N you completely missed the sarcasm of my remark there partner. The comment about people who get triggered was not meant to be literal. But the rest of what I said I meant with all my heart.
0 likesTo be fair, that type of music is trash.
0 likes@Mark not all. Dax has recently inspired 10's of thousands of people to fight addiction with his amazing song "Dear Alcohol". My life was pulled back from the brink thanks to Tom Macdonald. I am 47 and just started liking some rap a few years ago and have learned that I was wrong. In fact Tom Macdonald is completely against the drug and gang and money and cars and all that bullshit and raps about things to enlighten his listeners. Give Tom's song "Castles" or "Angels" to see that rap and hip hop can indeed be good.
0 likes@E N shhh you know too much to be dealing with us commoners, spare us from your soul crushing intelligence oh great and powerful YouTube commenter we are not worthy
0 likes@Allen Madigan I’m so glad to hear you know your place ☺️ takes the responsibility of explaining away from me ! ✨💜
0 likesInteresting comments 🙄 Exactly why I am glad he will rot in prison and while he is rotting I’m sure he won’t be telling anyone to turn down the music 😎
0 likesA class narcissist
1 like"All these things you're saying are great, but..."
0 likesThis was cold blooded murder.
0 likesHis entire defense is literally just “so anyways, I started blasting!”
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That's basically any self defense argument lol
2 likes@John Russell No lol
83 likesThere are self-defense cases that are 100% justified. This isn’t one of them.
don't compare him to frank reynolds lol frank's a lot better than that
8 likesSomeone posted this exact comment a year ago 🤣🤣
2 likesThis caught me offguard. Funny as hell
0 likesI was listening, taking it all seriously and then this comment. Damn that was a good laugh
0 likeshahaha yep
0 likes@Owl the Reviewer Pretty sure he was joking, but yea, I agree.
0 likes@mc Frank has admitted to killing numerous people, mostly in his sweatshops in Vietnam.
1 like“And i did it very fast and accurate with no military training!”
1 like@Jack better in the method of approach i meant
0 likesI watched Deathwish 3 and thought, yes...
0 likes@Big Chungus Clip Channel 2 We don’t know that though. Not all black kids that listen to loud music will be criminals either. It’s just culture.
0 likesThey were 4 young blacks. That's all the defense you need.
0 likes@Local_Brain_Error // Synaptic_Misfire_Detected how do you know he is racist?
0 likes@John Russell Self defense against mean hurtful words. :(
0 likes@Bail Lol really ?
0 likes@Local_Brain_Error // Synaptic_Misfire_Detected Yes.
0 likes@Bail So if that was rock music playing with whites boys you think he would’ve shot them ? You don’t have to get recorded saying the n word to be racist. His actions speaks for itself.
0 likesSo you are correct, AB'S USE of the English language is atrocious and puts him in such a different lower status quo grouping.
0 likeswho does he think he is? robert de niro?
1 likeOther than dating a racist who had just committed murder, and buying wine at a gas station she was having a pretty good day.
0 likesRonda is gorgeous! And so sweet 🥺
0 likesRhonda's voice shaking as she recounted the events broke my heart. I can only imagine the amount of guilt she holds for Jordan's death. i wish her and the other boys in the car the absolute best.
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especially since she was the one who wanted to stop for wine...i feel bad for every victim in this situation..
38 likesAnd for betrayal
4 likesHer hand shaking in the beginning is what got me
8 likes@Mistress Mara talk about having to handle someone with kid gloves. geez lady, how old are you to be that nervous?
0 likes@hokies1507 Weak bait
2 likesWhy do we keep getting these videos taken away and brought back 🤣
0 likesWhen they showed the father in the begining ..while the woman was crying talking about punk ASS CHARLIE .DUDE WAS JUST SHAKING HIS HEAD .
0 likesWhat’s up with a bunch of the videos being unlisted and videos such as this one being relisted? Some really good ones were wiped.
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They made a deal wirh yt and they will be coming back
0 likesI don’t like other people’s music either but in order for me to have freedom to play the music I like in public, I have to allow them their right to play their music in public.
1 likeEven if you believed even 1% that he feared for his life, how disturbing that he didn’t freak out when he’s told the kid didn’t have a weapon. He just shrugs.
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That's a racist who had been keeping that to himself for years.
46 likesWaved it off, to boot!!!
5 likesButtdreads tht doesn’t make sense
22 likeslauren bader because I am your grandma and said so
0 likes@Pete Olivarez yep. we definitely for a fact know he was a racist. great observation! have you considered monetizing your mind reading abilities?
1 likePete Olivarez FINALLY SOMEONE BRINGS THIS UP. I have been searching comments to see if anyone else was thinking this reeks of racism.
3 likes@Pete Olivarez i think he thought they were gang members he was definitely racist.
0 likesherogibson what would he have to do in order to convince you then? We can’t make any obvious inferences from people’s behavior now? Does this man have to say “I AM A RACIST” in order for it to be obvious?
1 likewhere is the part where they interrogated the woman? did it get removed
1 likebro they were just vibing too :(
2 likesHe goofy he think if he had a shotgun he would have time to reach for his gun and shoot before he got shoot with a shotgun
1 likeDon’t talk to cops man
1 likeOnly thing criminal about crimes is having to pay to call out of a jail cell.
0 likesAs soon as he said that Micheal shot a vehicle 10 times because of loud music, I knew it was a racist moviated case
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well that depends entirely on the genre.
0 likes@fred bloggs ah yes, I know so many people show were shot for blasting Taylor Swift 😔 Such a shame loud music brings so much anger to people. /j
0 likes@Pony Kazy I might if you caught me in the wrong mood ;) Certainly Beiber.
0 likesSticks and guns don't even look alike.
2 likesWhat was the outcome? Did he get life?
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Life plus 90 years
3 likesDetective 1: “what were u shooting at?”
1185 likesMichael: “ at the rear door”
Detective 1: “ what was the purpose of that?”
Michael: “to save my life”
Detective 2: “ from the door?”
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Lolll was zoning out reading this comment right as he said it and had to back up.
9 likesI literally want cameras to follow all of their interrogations. These detectives were funny
17 likes43:13
2 likes😂😆😂
0 likesOh my goodness 🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️
0 likesUnfortunately a large number of people in this country have zero idea as to what is accepted as self defense or not ..!!
0 likesI feel so terrible for Rhonda. She is so strong.
1 likeGOOD FOR RHONDA
0 likesI really respect his fiance; he tried to manipulate everyone, including her, and she told the truth regardless. Regardless, this was a disgusting waste of life of a young man who did nothing to aggravate a shooting. I hope he rots in jail, and I hope the family of him and the three other victims are healing from the trauma. This was disgusting to every degree.
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@Nathan Harrington I believe it's when the teens turned the music back on (truly dangerous behaviour) and he 'couldn't tell if they were singing or what' (paraphrased) but they were saying things like 'I should kill that bitch'. He rolled his window down and asked 'are you talking about me?' (which is different to their report of him saying 'are you talking TO me') and one replied 'yeah i'm talking to you'. He then claimed to see a 'barrel of a shotgun or stick' (two very easy mistakes to make, obviously) despite the fact no gun or stick was found in or near the vehicle, took this as an immediate threat to himself and pulled his gun out. One witness claimed he heard him say 'no, you're not going to talk to me like that' as he clocked the gun back. He then started firing at the unarmed teens, got out his car and fired another round AFTER THEY'D STARTED DRIVING AWAY. His fiancé then exited the store after hearing gunshots and he demanded her to get in the car and drove off to a hotel where he had pizza and walked his dog whilst 'fearing for his life'.
13 likesThe genuine absurdity of the situation and his pathetic attempt to defend such a disgusting attack on young black teens (who already face enough pathetic racism and stereotyping) who were unarmed and had no track record is ridiculous and sickening.
I hope he rots in jail and experiences all the pain, torment and fear that the victims and their families experience daily, especially since they lost an only son and a friend. He is worth nothing, he took an innocent life and tried to be the victim. We make mistakes, some worse than others, but his lying and manipulation automatically makes him disgusting and worthless. Prison is too good for him, but so is death.
@Nathan Harrington I think it was the part of the conversation where they threw F-bombs at him, which they confessed to. And because no dialogue is mentioned after they said that they were talking to him, I think he then proceeded to say what Witness #7 heard and unloaded his gun on them. Anyway, that is just my perception.
1 likeThat black detective wasn't having any of it.
0 likesThat court got them 4k cameras
0 likesThe jury system kinda sucks though. P2W bullshit :/
2 likesbecause their music was loud? ppl are so entitled!
0 likes"In my mind, there was a gun". Okay, and in my mind, I'm a millionaire but, when I go to the bank, the tellers say I only have 63.76 in my savings account. Clearly, the bank doesn't understand that if I want something to be true, then it's true. That's how reality works.
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i have 88.40 in my account lmao
19 likesIn my mind
1 likeIn his mind he had a million bullets in his gun so that was true
4 likesPsh I have like 267, you guys are poor
14 likes@StrobeLightGaming i have 4 dollars to my name now wish me luck bud
15 likesIn my mind, I'm dating Kim Kardashian. Then I wake up and realize I'm having a nightmare.
20 likes@StrobeLightGaming pfffft 267 I have -357.33 get on my level fool! 😂
8 likes@HillbillyHell 🤣😂🤣
1 like😂😂 facts
1 like63.76? You just came up with that number? Or is that actually your bank account?
2 likes@My new channel Don't worry, people tell us that all the time. You just did!
1 like@David Gilbert I'm joking, I'm getting by okay. I live pretty comfortably :)
0 likesThis whole situation is not funny. But your comment made me laugh out loud lol
6 likesLMFAOOOO ! ZING! hahahaha Bro this has to be pinned to the vid lol
1 like@StrobeLightGaming Lol
1 like63130.87 lol
0 likesI've only got $45.00
1 likeRest in peace, Jordan.
@Tim Stout I’ve got about $3200 because I just got my income tax back but with Michael Dunn’s type of thinking I’m going to make it into 3.2 mil
0 likesin my mind, I'm on a yacht in Monaco slurping caviar out of oyster shells in my hot tub full of playboy bunnies. are you saying I'm being wishful?
0 likesThe Prejudiced mind will always act like him....He is not to be blamed......
0 likesBring back JCS.....!!!
2 likesHalf of all your videos just got deleted and I was watching 1 of them. What happened?
1 like'his name is charlie'...... LOLLLLLL
2 likesJust imagine, if he had the brains to shut up and demand a lawyer, he'd probably be free right now. Lucky for the rest of us, he was an idiot and got what he deserves.
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Yeah it’s hilarious how clueless he was when it came to dealing with the cops. He totally incriminated himself then asked the detectives if he should get a lawyer as if they’re there to help him out. Pretty sure one of them smirked at his naïveté when he asked that.
61 likesWell said. Why on earth wouldn't you keep your mouth shut and demand an attorney be present?
16 likesWesMan because he’s narcissistic and thinks he’s smarter than everyone. Like the staged call to Rhonda, not helping at all but thinks he’s being strategic
58 likesHe likely still would have been convicted of attempted second degree murder for firing at the car as it drove away. The three passengers were not in conflict with Dunn at all, yet he continued to fire. Yes, we’re lucky he’s off the streets. He’s extremely dangerous.
28 likesYou really think so?
1 likeZactly..
1 likeMaxxx Models ALWAYS ask for an attorney...right away..
5 likesI doubt he would be free w/ all those witness testimonies.
17 likescarrie8083 well said. Once someone starts to evade you have to stop shooting because it longer becomes a threat.
8 likesHere’s a software developer who lacked the common sense to ask for an attorney.
7 likesNah. He would have been convicted. Too many witnesses saw him shoot the kid. They took down his license plate and it is undisputed that he drives the Volkswagen, owns the gun, and was the only person in the car WITH THE GUN at the time of the shooting. He got out of his car for Pete's sake and was still shooting in a stance!--because the woman was in the store. Talk or no talk, he's going away.
5 likeshis type always think they can talk their way out anything. He thinks he is smarter than everyone.
3 likesHe actually thought he was more clever than the police, that's what fucked him up! He thought he wasn't in any trouble but realised when they said this is NOT one of them cases where you did the right thing! I thank God the jury got it right! Rip jordan.
2 likesHe was relying on the having the police perceive young, black men as inherently threatening and dangerous and his white, male privilege.
9 likes@Hope Springs-A-Turtle Bingo!
1 like@ComplexWork Unless you're a cop who is chasing a guy who just discharged shots.
0 likesIs that a good thing considering he shot and killed a kid for playing loud music?
0 likesI actually would keep silence except for immediately demanding an attorney, even if they accused me of stealing the Statue of Liberty or - in my Country, Italy - the Coliseum...
2 likes@Eleonora Santini hahaha
1 like@Rolanda Loathe i watched the trial.. a homeless guy that had warrants came forward.
2 likes@robert sebold hes a kid living in his car.
2 likes@Hector Perez yeah thats it.. his testimony was heartbreaking. i felt bad for him
2 likes@robert sebold yeah. If I remember right he was also taking care of his girlfriend.
1 likeHe wouldn't have been free but he wouldn't have giving them all these lies. The police said, there were other witnesses in the area.
2 likesSounds like people in this thread have never been locked up or been through the system. People need to stfu
0 likesI don’t know about FREE, but he might have some hope of seeing the light if day again.
0 likesknowthycell did you watch until the end? He got multiple life sentences and denied appeals
0 likesMichael B I think you read my reply incorrectly. It’s a response to the original comment.
0 likesknowthycell sorry for butting in
0 likesHope Springs-A-Turtle luckily 99.99% of cops aren’t like that
0 likeswhat was he the victim of huh?? loud music??
1 likeHe was lie and let lie,all those guys were doing was buying snacks and were getting ready to leave thats why they turned music back up,his intent was trouble,because he did not like the loud music,he started it and ended it,middle aged and showing toughness or so he thought a misunderstanding.
1 likeI feel so bad for Rhonda. She is so very aware of the bigger picture.
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She knows that if she never wanted to stop for wine, this whole incident would have not happened, she probably blames herself in some way. Honestly I think the murder and Dunn's perspective / perception was heavily influenced by the alcohol he was drinking at the wedding..I don't buy the whole "he's a monster" narrative, just an inebriated idiot with pre-conceived notions that ended up costing a young man his life and ripping him away from his family...They really threw the book at him though...I have no idea what was actually running through Dunn's mind when he decided to open fire, though I'm sure it was alcohol influenced (which doesn't excuse it)..It's tragic for the victims family but I still don't see Dunn as a monster...there's a lot of elements at play here and maybe he's a racist bigot with a giant ego, or he could have been genuinely afraid and reacted in what he thought was justifiable...maybe a mix of both?
10 likes@Max I think it's hilarious everyone just blames alcohol for everything. You don't just turn into a killer because of a bit of alcohol!
45 likes@E M It's the correlation...He wasn't a killer beforehand and was under the influence of alcohol when he decided to open fire..I'm only saying that a sober brain probably would have approached the situation differently than an intoxicated brain..At the end of the day it's still his fault, I just think it's sad that alcohol played a part in ruining his own life and taking the life of another..Also it wasn't even brought up in the video but, he was also driving while under the influence and we all know how much they tell you not to do that, and there's good reason why they tell you not do that
4 likes@E M you are completely correct. Dunn has run through this scenario countless times in his head. His fiancee said that he always talked about how he hated "thug music." He himself talks about how he'd practice at the range and rehearse a situation similar to this. He wanted the chance to do this for a long time and maybe the alcohol helped a little, but a few drinks only helps to reveal the true man underneath
14 likesShe’ll be ok she can find another man Jordan parents can’t get another rson
11 likes@Max doesn't matter what you think. Fact is he murdered someone... a kid.
1 likeWhy?
0 likes@Max alcohol just sped up the inevitable, he was clearly thinking about it before he shot the gun so how was he not a killer before he drank alcohol. Of you kill someone it means you've been thinking about sober alcohol just gives people more balls
0 likes@Max "but I still don't see Dunn as a monster " start with this so people know youre foolish before they read
1 likemax stamb i know what you mean but also he was sober when he showed absolutely no remorse. he’s a killer at heart
0 likesmax stamb alcohol lowers inhibitions but that means he has that within him to kill without those inhibitions. Murder and rape under alcohol influence isn’t because of alcohol, even if it was a catalyst, it was only a catalyst for what was already within that person
1 likeNn Bb very true. me and my friends have been drunk and pissed off countless times, and we’ve never even laid a hand on anyone, let alone KILLING someone!!! even someone with real bad anger problems wouldn’t kill someone if they had any empathy or remorse
0 likesRhonda threw this fool under the bus...
0 likesThat's why guns should be restricted to people with responsability and training.
0 likesThe sense of entitlement. Is it rude to play music loudly? Probably (not blaming the victims here, just making a statement about Michael's entitlement) That being said, you're in a public fucking place. Don't like it? Too bad. Stay in your house the rest of your life.
1 likeGood woman Rhonda.
0 likesRhonda is a beautiful soul. Her ex is a coward!
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Well she was attracted to him enough to agree to marry him. She doesn't sound like a 5/5 person either. Still sad.
0 likesJordan's mother, Lucy McBath, became an activist AND U.S. Congresswoman (GA-6) after her son's murder. She had two sons - one passed in 1993, and the other was murdered. Heartbreaking. 💔
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Sound like some thugs
6 likes@M.J.E. lol
1 like@M.J.E. what?
87 likes@M.J.E. hey get some fresh air, your brain cells need it desperately
138 likes@M.J.E. also her first son died when he was a child, no one mentioned gun violence. How about you self-reflect on your thinly veiled misogyny and get some therapy. Hope you’re happier someday.
177 likes@M.J.E. Shouldn't make assumptions fool
64 likes@Michael McCray it’s not funny
15 likes@M.J.E. sort yourself out mate, i'm just going to assume you're trolling for a reaction. That's a very sad way to live but that's just the way people are.
70 likes@Ines J Is it racism, or misogyny... hmm, better pick one buzzword for the day.
12 likes@Nugget blaming a woman for her child being killed by an unhinged stranger? And blaming her for the death of her other child about whose death they know nothing about? Yeah, to me it's plain misogyny when they are ignorant about a situation and instantly blame it on a woman who had nothing to do with it. It's ok though, keep spreading condescension !
74 likes@Ines J It's ignorant, yes. It's stupid as fuck. Misogyny doesn't mean either of those, so like I said, just pick one out of the bucket.
12 likes"It's ok though, keep spreading condescension!", making assumptions that I support him, yeah... it's okay though, I didn't expect much, lmao.
@Ty Gill Wow, an intellectual response.
4 likes@Nugget POV : You've never felt the touch of a woman.
21 likes@lil dafodil lol you mad
2 likesGod bless her soul, what an incredibly strong and impressive woman
13 likesBoosta said that cause she is one of the democrats taking our rights
0 likes@Caleb Reutener absolutely because Republicans have always supported the rights of ALL Americans. Not once have they tried to take the rights of minorities away, after all they are all about love, Jesus and fairness. Right?
15 likesDamn, I knew who Lucy McBath was but I never knew that she was the mother of the victim in this case, and I've watched this video before.
5 likes@Michael McCray Yeah, her first child was likely stillborn or died shortly after birth due to a condition that made it nearly impossible to carry her child to term. The second was a typical defiant teenager murdered for blasting music bysomeone who got really offended by it. Real thug life there... 🙄
7 likesHave a little humanity for chrissakes.
Well she will become an anti gun activists, blame the human not the machine
1 likeShe raised a disrespectful punk and now she wants to write laws based on emotions instead of logic. Great!
2 likes@TheBenjammin5150 wishing for someone elses death just bc u disagree with them and then calling a 17 year old kid a disrespectful punk, hmmm...
5 likes666 likes lol
0 likes@Nugget ur pretty condescending stilllll
0 likes@Zona Uh, so what? I'm not wrong. Using terms wrongly makes those terms useless, and alienates those you wish to get a point across to.
2 likes@ari - wow they should have mentioned that in the video. Seems like some interesting context to footnote at the end.
0 likes@Michael McCray I'm sure will be hearing your name in the news Dunn was the thug not those kid's
0 likes@M.J.E. you misspelled “that poor mother , I wish her peace ❤️”
2 likes@Corinne Givens it is so obvious that you live in a suburban neighborhood in a bubble of unicorns fairies and other pleasantries
0 likesPlease visit the west side of Chicago around Pulaski and 290 and you'll see how these "good parents" have their kids active running around on corners where crack and heroin is constantly being sold and used
AND BEFORE THERE IS A FLOOD OF HATE RESPONSES
This is the ABSOLUTE NORM in these communities then when their kids die in a gang shooting which so often happens they get on the news and cry and cry when in reality
THE PARENTS SHOULD BE THROWN IN JAIL FOR CHILD ABUSE/NEGLECT
@Michael McCray Sure I'll come visit but I can't leave my suburbs for to long. My unicorns can't take care of themselves. Duh they're not magical unicorns. Thanks for the invite homie! That's mighty white of ya! Have a great day!!☺
2 likes@M.J.E. He’s never been arrested before, no weapons and the other son died as a child. To blame the parent for what a racist did and what someone else did to her eldest child says that you’re no different than this racist, murderous criminal…so who’s the “thug”? lol 😂
3 likes@TheBenjammin5150 Jordan was an innocent child who was murdered by a stupid murderer. Thank God Michael will spend the rest of his life in prison.
0 likes@Kefirro87 Cringe
0 likes@Michael McCray Are your parents siblings? LMAO!
0 likes@M.J.E. You’re a very sad troll.
0 likes@Nugget wow i didnt know tired was spelled m-a-d.😵
0 likes@blueroses That's because I'm correcting his incorrect premise. You're welcome!
0 likes@Nugget It’s obvious that you’ve never felt the touch of a woman. 😂
0 likes@Michael McCray You’re just mad because your parents are siblings. 😂
0 likes@Christian Loves Sonic the Hedgehog y u so mad man
0 likesso,..another useless politician in other words
0 likesThe prosecutor sounds like Kevin Costner.
0 likesWhen was this? Where there hate crime laws at the time?
0 likesthe fake tears instructed by his lawyer jfc
1 likeThank the lord
0 likesYou can watch almost all the JCS videos if you search “JCS unlisted”. There’s two playlist
2 likeshis fiancee sounds like Eric cartman's mom
1 likeThis guy fired ten shots into what was initially a stationary car at close range and only managed to hit one of the four occupants. With that kind of marksmanship, he belongs in the Russian army.
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Michael is obviously a retired stormtrooper
0 likesRhonda is such a strong woman.
1 likethe multiple times he told her "i love you, you know that?" on the way back home, is a clear form of emotional manipulation for her testimony, like he's saying "whatever i come up with, you will back, right?" and im happy she saw it
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Bullshit. He knew he was going down regardless. He was also just comforting her. Thats just whats true. No reading into bullshit. People are rarely so methodical with something like this happening
1 like@HeyGuy4321 there’s a difference between knowing your methods and knowing u are using them and naturally using it as a barrier to protect yourself. just like a cat has a instinct to prey on a noise. would be the same to him naturally trying to manipulate her with or without him fully knowing. no bullshit
18 likesI agree is TSAR ALEXANDER II on this one.
0 likes@HeyGuy4321 People who manipulate are OFTEN methodical in their tactics. And this guy wasn't some scared child who was in over his head. He sat there for an hour trying to fit the facts into the narrative he was constructing. He does this frequently because it's probably worked before. Was trying to comfort her? Maybe.
3 likesBut two things can be true at the same time.
@HeyGuy4321 No way! He had no idea he was "going down"... did you see the shock come over him when he finally realized the interrogators weren't buying his fantasy? He is self deluded and narcissistic and acted in line with that personality type. I have seen this exact tactic in an abusive relationship before.
1 likeThe world is full of lunatics. But in USA everybody walks around with guns.. as if they are toys. frightening.
0 likesAin't no way they turned the music down
0 likesHow in the world did he catch her?🤨🤨🤔🤔😓😓
1 likeWell this is awkward.
1 likeProps to his fiancé for being honest and not protecting his ass.
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She did protect him though. She never once called the police. Not at the gas station, not at the hotel, not at their house. She received a call from police at their house and that's the only time she started talking.
34 likes@fawn ever thought she might have been frightened of him?
81 likes@madi She was merely looking out for her own self interest. According to Dunn, they barely discussed the incidence, had more wine and Pizza. She was afraid of lying for him as she would have been facing charges of perjury and acessory after the fact. She cared about saving her own life, not that of the boys. Again, after this incident, she drank wine and had pizza.
21 likes@fawn bro she was alone with a dude who killed over music - and you wanted her to directly oppose him? cannot ask that of any sane person
66 likes@boccci honestly. She’s afraid of this man. Even on the phone call, it sounds like shes scared and just agreeing with him.
35 likesShe probably had a lot of pent up feelings from being in a relationship with that psycho and needed to vent too.
4 likes@shaaronie Probably she didn't even know that he had killed a teenager. The policeman said it clearly: he luckily "only" killed one guy, but could have killed the 2 guys more shooting that way.
10 likes@Nacho Vinssac during her interrogation, she admitted that they'd bothof saw the incident on tv the next morning. Instead of suggesting that they call the police to report his involvement,she saidit she demanded to be taken home, she did mentionedthat concern for her dog back home. I am sorry but her teeny tiny Melanie Griifin voiced and poor me tears did not cut it. If she had on mentioned that she asked Dunn for more details, or anything along the lines of care beyond herself,I would agree with you. I she did not care what happened, I she only cared about NOT being involved and of course poor Charlie, the dog.
3 likes@shaaronie I'm pretty sure she mentioned that she wanted them to go talk to their local sheriff. We know the facts of what he did, she doesn't. All she knows is that he felt the need to use his gun and that a life was taken. The police aren't your friends, especially if their not your local law enforcement. This wasn't him admitting to her that he'd committed a crime and even then its important to talk to someone you trust about what to do. There's a reason that these videos are of people who didn't choose to wait for a lawyer and has moments where he even mentions that a lawyer would have told them to do things differently. You run to the cops if you're a victim, but if you're also potentially the aggressor/criminal you talk to someone you can trust within the law enforcement system first.
2 likesBeyond that though, of course you would want to be in a place you feel comfortable when you're not the person that shot somebody and are currently in the presence of that person. Emotions are a thing.
@Death2Boredom Nope. Never happened. She knew who he was and what he stood for. He wasn't the type to hide it.
0 likes@shaaronie huh? What does that have to do with anything? The dude himself is deluded and doesn't think he unjustly killed someone. Why should she? More so, of she did, why should she put herself in danger? The kid is already dead, she's not suggesting moving to Mexico to hide away. She suggested getting on home turf to collect their thoughts and better handle everything. My main point really has nothing to do with her character because regardless of character I think she did the right thing 🤷🏽♂️. You don't run into a police department with your pants bellow your knees and a ketchup stain in your shirt unless someone just did something illegal to you.
2 likes@Death2Boredom Pure speculation on your part. You're seeing her for what you'd liked to see and I see her for what she actually did. She either did the right thing or suffer the consequences. It's not like she had a choice in the matter.
2 likes@Death2Boredom Actually what she testified to is that they never discussed the incident much at all, after he explained the gun shots that she'd heard. She accepted his explanation that he'd simply shot at some "thugs" and went to the hotel and ate pizza and drank wine. She ate pizza and drank wine. Sounds like a party to me.
0 likes@shaaronie As I said, I'm not seeing her as anything more than someone that did what you're supposed to do before going to the police as anything other than a victim. You seem to more want to live in a mystical world of purity and justice. Acting out of purity and justice can land you in jail.
2 likes@shaaronie I mean, if you're already drunk and the pizza is there why not. At the time you don't know if anyone is dead and there are no wounds on the person you're with. You weren't the one that shot and your also now stuck with the person that did fire a gun in public like it's nothing, best to just let the alcohol and pizza smooth things over.
3 likes@Death2Boredom Awww! You're in love!
0 likes@Death2Boredom Hmmph! You're describing yourself. A few sniffles and a teeny voice and you're convinced?!!! Wow! I like fairy tales too but I love facts and analysis much better. Show me a human that's in love with a racist and I'll show you a racist!
0 likeswell she was on tape saying that, so i mean yeah props for not wanting a charge for obstruction lol
0 likes@fawn You didn't listen. He didn't indicate to her that he shot anyone, he only said that he shot at the car.
1 like@dontruninthehalls ! I felt that too
0 likes@fawn she never knew he had shot someone.
2 likesShe probably saved her own life. Who could guarantee this guy wouldn't shoot her in future getting angry, drunk and delusional someday?
0 likesThis guy should go to prison just for Lying
0 likesNEVER talk to cops. Also don't kill people.
1 likeDamn he sprayed them boys over music
1 likeDunn and Dunn. And I mean Dunn!
0 likes"I'm the victor" nobody who had to actually shot and then kill someone in true self-defense would ever say that. You are never a victor when someone has to die.
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Of course you are, in a true self defense situation. It's life or death
5 likes@kish bish no, its still a loss of life
5 likesYou win the exchange... but you lose things as a person when you look in the mirror and see someone who's had to kill someone.
10 likesAll in all it is just tragic. That split second memory of pulling the trigger haunts you forever.
It's a loss in that most normal people would rather never have to kill anyone. Nobody wants that weighing on them.
Word.
0 likesI think he has delusions of being a superhero or something-.
0 likes@kish bish it's just survival.
0 likes@kish bish He wasn't in a life or death situation you think he's gonna get out and shoot with no cover if he's scared?! Why make excuses for him he's the WORST kind of person....he deserves what's coming, self defense my ass.
0 likesI thought it was wiped out
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me too!
0 likesNever go full Dirty Harry...
0 likesA child lost his life at the hands of a angry racist, entitled, violent, buffoon
2895 likesMay Jordan Davis family find peace, that young man didn't deserve this
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I feel sick !!! This comment gets 20 likes 🧐😒 yet poor Rhonda comments get 40k we live In a fucked up world full of psychopaths and Michael Dunns may you all rot in hell 💯
48 likesRIEP JORDAN 💔😇
Yes this comment tho
1 like@Rubi Dechambre they’re saying comments like these get much less likes than a comment saying “poor rhonda”. Which is true and weird. A kid lost his life. I’m not really dwelling on the wife.
34 likesNot sure why you call him a racist, a terrible human being sure, but racist? i don't recall anything mentioning race
54 likes@Xephyr It's way too easy to let politics get in the way of criminal psychology, and that's why it tends to be a huge debate when racism is involved. From an objective standpoint, you know damn well this guy wouldn't have shot a couple of white boys listening to music. The murder was racially motivated.
62 likesWhat's worse is that with how statistically corrupt and racist police tend to be, you can easily draw the conclusion that he expected them to be on his side. And he wouldn't have been wrong on any other day.
But there's a certain narrative some people like to preserve. A narrative that racially charged violence doesn't exist.
Just watch out for it. And if you're reading this, try to check yourself for that narrative.
@tutorial: brush him I’m absolutely aware of all of this, but thanks for adding it to the thread.
9 likesThe truth!
1 like@Mr. Erik He specifically said "they are violent" while referring to black people in general during his prison call with Rhonda. He is for sure ab actual racist.
59 likes@avenger31X That's fair, when i heard that i thought he talked about young people 'in the hood' in general but now that i think about it he probably reffered to black people as you said
7 likesYou have described Michael Dunn perfectly. He says he left the scene because he was still scared? He nearly emptied his gun while the poor kids were trying to get away, no way is that self defence! His racism plus a gun is a frightening situation just waiting to happen! He shows no remorse. This man is a threat to humanity and killed and attempted to kill four young lawful kids because he hated their music. Before Rhonda left the car to go into the store, he’s already telling her that the “thug music” ticks him off. Rhonda told the detectives that he had four or more drinks at the wedding and he had told them he had one toast and one rum and coke.
11 likes@Rhonda Sheldon what does "racism" mean? is brack on Whyte crime racism? is brack on brack crime racism? or is only Whyte on brack racism?
7 likes@Xephyr Thank you 💯💯
0 likes@Rand Paul2024 Hi Michael. I see they let you have an hour on the Internet 🤔🤣
9 likes@Xephyr No evidence presented in this clip points to that conclusion.
5 likes@Tomski McDougle I'd argue quite literally everything in this clip points to EXACTLY that conclusion. You cannot convince me white boys playing country music would have illicited the same response from this man, and his clear prejudice.
17 likes@Xephyr no evidence this clip points to that conclusion either.
6 likes@Tomski McDougle you’re allowed to be blind 🤷🏻♂️
17 likes@Xephyr and you're allowed to fill in gaps in reality with your imagination.
9 likes@Tomski McDougle It sounds to me like you're unable to make inferences based on context, locational knowledge, and clear evidence of lying.
16 likesSure, this guy might not be racist. But its absolutely the most likely scenario to answer the question to why an unprovoked white man in a nice neighborhood at a public location decided to pull out a firearm and shoot many times at a vehicle as it pulls away, killing a boy. All clearly out of fear, or hatred.
You're absolutely allowed to come to a different conclusion. But I will never see a crime with these circumstances and pretend it isn't a racially charged white man with a twitchy trigger finger.
@Flammen Official And as a spectator of an official proceeding, I am absolutely within my rights to make inferences based on evidence provided to me. I do not claim to be an expert, have any sway on an official verdict, or in any way act as the judge or juror of Mr. Dunn. Nor is my classification of anyone as a racist directly associated to whether or not they are guilty of a crime. Not sure where that wildly unfounded claim comes from.
11 likesI am absolutely allowed to call some dude a racist on the internet. And you're absolutely allowed to come to a different conclusion. Have a wonderful rest of your day.
@Xephyr Nor is my classification of anyone as a racist directly associated to whether or not they are guilty of a crime.
8 likesYet based on the defendants guilt of the crime of murder, you infer they must be racist....
@Mr. Erik his perception of a bunch of black kids is what makes him racist. He threw damn near every stereo type we’ve heard at them. Calling teenagers that are acting like teenagers animals and thugs when he knows absolutely nothing about them says it all.
19 likes@Xephyr he’s a troll love. Let him get his fix for the day by being racist behind a computer screen.
13 likesAccording to the largest stat base ‘NYC’ police. Largest gun crime is black on blacks first.
5 likes@tutorial: brush him Amen. Even when he said to the officers he "didn't want to cause them to loose sleep" he only motioned in the direction of the white officer. It's sad that this is real.
1 like@Carl Jones Good
0 likesNo. No they did not. This infuriated me. Kids play loud music. Even if they were being annoying that’s not a crime you shoot someone for. Ego maniac.
2 likes@Carl Jones bro it's black and white learn how to spell
0 likes@pp head worthy retort, bro
0 likes@Mr. Erik calling black people that you don’t even know “thugs” is a pretty good indication of a racist person. Especially when you see them on the stand and they’re well spoken, respectful young men
7 likes@Xephyr I think his point is that this racism flows two ways. I can definitely see it as a white boy growing up in the ghetto. But yea, this seemed racially motivated, but everyone does like to make it seem it’s a one way street.
1 likeThat's it in a nutshell. The entire police interrogation he was in CYA mode, not an ounce of remorse or regret for what he did. That boy was ARMED with nothing more than a fresh mouth! This bigot opened fire on ALL of them and continued even after they were trying to get the hell away!! I feel for that kid's parents.
2 likes@Rubi Dechambre thata? Why it gets likes? Did you complete High school…?😂
0 likesHe wasn’t racist. Just hated thugs. Don’t we all 😂
3 likesHe shouldve been given a medal.... not jail time.
3 likes@Chris PL how are you going to justify racially motivated murder?
1 like@Li are you ok?
1 like@laura müller Go away
1 likeBasically, he's definitely a pure wicked racist .
3 likes@ПIGΉƬMΛЯΣ Stop it Michael..... you're only allowed on the Internet for a short time, don't waste it 🙄
3 likes@Bikaboy X14 100% There's something in the donuts and coffee 🤣😐
1 like@Mr. Erik search up 'micheal dunn letters' and you'll get letters he wrote to his family
0 likes@Li prolly cus rhonda didn't die...?
0 likes@Carl Jones it’s extremely weird how you keep defending this point when multiple people have given you clear proof that the crime was racially motivated.
1 like@Nick Kempf Calling people 'thugs' does not make them racist. If anything, you jumping to that conclusion would infer you could be the racist. Look up thug in the dictionary. No where does it say 'black person.'
1 likeBro he was 17, that's not a child . . .
0 likes@Chris PL Damn u really think this guy isn't racist? He's not even saying "all white ppl are racist 🌈" like some ppl are racist bro, they do exist
1 like@Mr. Erik bruh. So ur saying when he immediately referred to them as "thugs" he completely ignored their race. Definitely.
0 likes@n8rHaack i doubt it now since people showed me evidence that clearly suggest racism, but it could be possible to be used neutrally, i hear allot of people use it to white and black people, it might be my bias but i try to not claim intent(specifically here of racism) without proof that justifies such claims
0 likes@Chris PL We think you mean 'human.'
0 likes"Child" LOL, nothing of value was lost that day.
0 likes@Xephyr :)
0 likesand he made himself believe he's innocent during the call as well, some people are fully disgusting and deserve no more or no less than their whole life in prison, they don't deserve death
0 likesShame on anyone here making this political. This is an unfortunate tragedy and some people really trying to put forward their agenda. Shame.
0 likes@Flammen Official You got one thing right, you are watching a psychoanalysis video. Can't wrap my mind around how you can realise this, and then in the same breath say "there wasn't any evidence" pointing towards his racism. Do what JCS is doing, follow his mannerisms and his terminology and draw a conclusion from that..
0 likes@MeefBeef prove it
0 likes@Tomski McDougle read my comment again
0 likes@MeefBeef source?
0 likes@Carl Jones just for context, I'm half swedish (dad is blonde/blue) and half black. I don't disagree with everything you've said, and I've been reading your comments, but racism/racists is not some invented word used strictly for manipulation. Making a blanket statement about ANY group of people based on their skin color is just stupid. There is nothing about someone's skin color that can definitively inform you about that individual's nature. "White" people from Britain are vastly different from "white" people in Romania. "Race" doesn't even exist, biologically speaking. The adaptation to create melanin is evolutionary. It is not cultural, it is geographic and environmental. Racism is the enforcement of prejudice. I find that in my life, racism has had VERY little impact. My Head HS counselor told my mom (black) that her son (me) didn't need to take the SAT, assuming that her son (like many black kids at my school) wouldn't be going to university. In fact I was very nearly a national merit scholar, who also TA'd for this same counselor. Once he realized that she was my mom, it was all peaches and cream. TRUE Racism is rare, but it does happen. I agree that the news would not call black on white crime racism, even if it was. Most news is super leftist and "woke". The hyperbolic use of racism at every turn, like other "boy who cried wolf" scenarios, ruins the actual times when it does happen. I.e. women who file false rape charges ruin the perspective and ultimately the trials and perceptions of women who are actually raped.
0 likes@Mr. Erik dont be dense
0 likes@Mr. Erik its pretty racist to automatically assume a group of young black men are armed and dangerous. Even if he didn't think that in the moment and just made it up for the sake of the interrogation, that means he thinks it's more plausible that a group of young black men are violent. He 100% believed that as long as he held on to that horrible racist stereotype, he'd go free. Even if he never actually says "I hate black people", he still does apparently.
0 likes@Xephyr You put it perfectly! Men like him filled with racist bs in their hearts and own guns are looking for opportunities to unload on people they hate, and that was what this was, his opportunity and he shows it by how hard he tries to paint himself to be the victim when a teenager (tbh a child still) lost their lives due to a grown ass man's hatred.
0 likes@Teena Jarvis you jumping to conclusions doesn’t add anything to the discussion, and btw I’m Muslim
0 likes@avenger31X have you seen FBI crime stats bro
0 likes@Mr. Erik he attacked black kids for playing “thug music” sure he isn’t racist
0 likes@Li You want a tissue?
0 likes@Mr. Erik Letters have been released where he calls the boys "blacks"
0 likes@Li it’s probably because the comment about her wife was posted 2 years ago as opposed to 2 months ago.
0 likesThe fiance is a true hero in this case. Her honesty ensured that that child's murderer was brought to justice. I wish more people were brave like her.
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@Marcos 989 💯
0 likesMarcos 989 there’s this thing called shock and denial. Normal human reaction when your entire life suddenly changes. Should have, yes, but what matters is that she cooperated in the end.
44 likesOh yeah real hero. Such a hero that she enjoyed some pizza after her boyfriend shot some people. She should have been sentenced as well
6 likeswhy do you people always consider anything a woman does as ''brave'' lmao they are grown ass adults not children
3 likesThat guy had just shot kids for loud music, what do you think she felt would happen to her if she called the cops on him.
6 likesSamantha Simental thank you for commenting with some sense. People always forget about the role emotional and/or physical abuse play within a relationship. On top of that, like you said, the dude just went from 0 to 100 real quick and dangerously; a lot of the folks here saying “I would’ve done this or that in the moment if I were in her shoes...” no, you wouldn’t have. You would have been just as petrified as she was, ffs.
7 likes@Will she did not know anyone had been hurt. The car was gone. She was drunk and in shock and probably tired from the days events. And she was probably afraid of him. Easy to judge after the fact isnt it?
3 likes@Guides Galore who are "you people" and how do you know what "they" think?
1 like@Samantha Simental exactly! I think she was already afraid of him before this event.
1 like@Guides Galore What a weird thing to get upset over lol. I didn't refer to her as a woman to make some "girl power" statement. I called her a woman because she's a woman.
0 likes@CathartesAura yeah ok
0 likesWill did we watch the same video? She didn’t know someone was killed at that point
0 likesS okay??? Automatic shots don’t mean you killed someone. He could have fired in the air or something for all she knows
0 likesWell there’s this thing called perjury so...🤷🏻♀️ she kinda had to tell the truth unless she wanted to be charged with perjury and thrown in jail as well.
0 likes@Katie Cochran that doesn’t stop a lot of people
0 likes@lisvender I'll give you that.
0 likesMan I feel for the victim's family. Can't imagine what that's like to be put in that painful predicament to not only have your son killed because a racist's fear but hear you're sons killer tell lies right in front of them. RIP
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@Odd One If you can't come to that consensus through watching the video then you need to work on some awareness.. Seriously.
25 likes@Odd One bruh
2 likesMan not enough people talk about how rock solid those kids had to be to deal with two trials, the horror of losing their friend in front of them, and the kid who saved some lives by getting his buds out of there.
2357 likesGodspeed dudes. I hope you all are doing well
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Arw, they made a gangsta rap about the incident a month later, and everybody looks up to them. They are considered "cool, poor and black and heroes". I wouldn't care too much. They're fine.
26 likes@Me Ballerman gangsta rap? Is there a song somewhere about this made by them?
13 likesDUUUUUUUVAL. No but for real, we breed them strong here. They’re some strong kids for sure.
16 likes@Karolina O-ska Most likely.
1 like@Me Ballerman “Most likely”? Does that mean your first reply was pure speculation?
112 likes@HailBones 666 I guess so...
4 likes@PowerStikk StikkPower A little mean of me, yes. Actually I'm trying to be entertaining, and to get people to react. The incident took place 9 years ago.
11 likesHow'bout: Most people commenting here are black people, moaning over Jordan's death 9 years ago. Wailing along "racism, racism, racism.
I'm a Danish guy, from Danmark, Northern Europe, and have zero connection to the USA, but I am good at looking into people's brains.
Wouldn't you agree that this incident SCREAMS for a gangsta rap?
@PowerStikk StikkPower - with reality
0 likes@Me Ballerman like i said your not in the us. you don’t know how they treat poc here. so you talking is irrelevant because you’ll never understand and clearly you ain’t did no research
53 likes@Me Ballerman and your forgetting the fact “ASSUMED” he had a weapon and he was “saving his life” but after he shot the first time and realized they weren’t shooting continued to shoot. even as they were pulling away
39 likes@Jo’kesha I totally agree with the prosecution - Dunn drew his gun to put an end to Jordan's insults, just as the prosecutor stated. He didn't fear for his life, he just couldn't have Jordan talking to him like that, so I'm not defending Dunn, but I can see his situation, and feel a little sorry for him. He should've cut down on the liquor before he got in his car.
6 likesWhat I'm saying is that Jordan most likely was as much of a racist as Dunn.
By the way - Dunn isn't accused of racism - he's accused of murder 1.
If you ask me, his sentence is a little harsh - think about the cop who had a lot of fun placing his knee on the throat of the other black guy (can't recall his name) until he died. If I remember correctly, he got 30 years or so - on a much milder paragraph, "misuse of force" or whatever it was.
I think the cop should have the life sentence - and Dunn the 30 years.
Why? - Because Dunn did what he did out drunkenness and stupidity and some pride. The cop with the knee, on the other hand - did it out of pure evil, he enjoyed every second of the guy dying under his knee.
@Me Ballerman like your response, it's a good rebuttal. I would take out the second paragraph if I was your publicist, and it's perfect. As a white guy from California, who is a big fan of "thug-rap" if there isn't a song about this that's a shame, and If there isn't I've got lots of black homies who would hella write something that slaps about this story.
5 likes@Jo’kesha I think racial tensions are worse than most foreigners would realize. I was born and grew up in Stockton California till I was 18 a white kid where there was no clear minority, there were just as many Asian people as Hispanic, and white and a large black population, and it's very metropolitan racism doesn't seem to be a thing. But now I live in Boise, ID and there are tons of white people, and people of Mexican decent, and that's it. I joke that I know all the black people in Nampa with my friends, but every city in Idaho other than Boise is so monogamous, sheltered, backwards thinking, and cops can be brutal to the locals of any race they fuck with and kill with impunity people of every race in America the deciding factor is if you're poor, or not, not what color your skin is. Your skin makes you more likely to get shot by the police in most places, but not all, but being poor makes you fair game for the police everywhere no matter what your skin color is.
7 likes@Me Ballerman damn, what a racist thing to say and assume. That never happened, they never made any song. The fact that you assume that they instantly profited off the slaying of their friend is horrible and you should be ashamed.
27 likes@Brandon Guthrie Thx - yeah, make'em do an overkill thug rap.
1 like@TheKingsPride C'mon...
0 likes@Me Ballerman WHY DO I SEE YOU EVERYWHERE SPEWING YOUR GARBAGE??
18 likes@Qu Yuchan Because I spew garbage everywhere? That must be it.
1 like@Me Ballerman this is really really not okay. i can understand that it might not be as bad in other places and that maybe it’s more okay over there to make these kinds of jokes, but racial issues prevail largely in the us. it’s a big problem, this is a big problem, and you cannot come in here treating it like it’s a joke. i’m sure you didn’t really mean it and you didn’t realise the severity of what you said but please keep in mind next time, this isn’t okay. /lh/nm
13 likes@callum this guys clearly a lost cause. Racism is just as rife in Europe as it is in America. I’m from England and it’s still extremely prominent here. This guy claims to be from Denmark and I have friends over there who also say racism is sadly prominent there too. Bottom line this man is a racist and arguing with him is pretty futile as sad as that is to admit. The only way to prevent racism is not to provoke these people and instead to educate them before anything bad happens or gets said.
22 likes@Charlie Borthwick ah, alright. thank you so much for informing me. yeah, you’re right. /g
7 likes@Me Ballerman as soon as you said blm bot you lost
7 likes@Me Ballerman seek help
17 likes@SOULREAVER654 By mistake I wrote an answer to you, but it was to another person. I have now addressed it properly. But the opening lines in said answer is actually to you, about the bot. A little stressful to answer to different people, and get things right.
0 likes@Charlie Borthwick I shall do that first thing in the morning - fine, but you did not answer as much as one single one of my questions. OK, it was too hard for you. But can you answer the last question, just that one, and forget about the others.
1 likeI asked: HOW MANY languages do you speak and write? Are you an English monoglot? Do you need education? - Oh that was 3 questions.
Just tell me if you are an English monoglot, then. That's all I need to know, then I can deduce what I already know about you from that.
@Me Ballerman you wrote too much for me to care
10 likes@callum Damn, I wrote a very good and polite answer to you, but BLM bot didn't like it. I'm actually getting better at circumventing it, but I'm not 100% there yet.
1 likeOK, now I will just say thanks for a good and intelligent answer from you. I tried to explain the reason for my rap joke, but BLM bot saw something it didn't like.
I'll try an ultra short version then: I got tired of reading "we're victim's of white privilege" answers/comments from black women. And the "sweet baby boy" also got to me. I then explained to you what little baby boys do, and what they don't. Bot deleted instantly. Maybe this will work.
Anyways, you are right it was a little over the top of me with the rap joke. But I still think I'm witty, you don't need to agree. And you are also right that we in Danmark can get away with saying/writing stuff that you cannot in the US. But not for long, we are implementing BLM bots here too. In 2 years from now, it's over. We will lose the last bit of free speech that we have.
@Charlie Borthwick Translation of your reply:
1 like"You overwhelmed me with facts, and now I just walk away as I have no way of winning a war of words against you, Me Ballerman. Even in my own native tongue you are too bright for me to deal with"
That is OK my friend. If it aint raining at your place, you can go out and play some football. Actually a good idea.
@Me Ballerman I would be contradicting my own original statement if I was to engage in an argument with you. Hence I’m not. That’s all that needs to be said bro. Have a good day
11 likes@Charlie Borthwick OK, all fine. And a nice day to you too.
0 likes@Me Ballerman being born black doesnt make you worse, your skin color has nothing to do with it. It's the communities you were born in that shape the way you will live your life. Those communities were based off racism. So yes, what you said was correct, but you drew the wrong conclusion from it.
5 likes@Bhafferty I'm not sure what you refer to, but you seem nice. Goodnight, it's late here, way past midnight.
0 likesYes I hope so too. I can’t understand how this must have been.
0 likes@Urs Mr. Olympia I answer when people address me. Lying I'm not.
0 likes@Me Ballerman Denial, denial, denial, you are just like those guys. Your "answers" are either nonsensical rambling or short and pointless statements like this one. Get some help.
9 likes@Urs Mr. Olympia Hu? You lost me??
0 likes@Me Ballerman "Hu? What're you talking about? I didn't say any of those things".
3 likesShall we continue?
@Urs Mr. Olympia Just enlighten me about my lies. Could you do that?
0 likes@Urs Mr. Olympia That's unspecific.
0 likes@Me Ballerman That's unspecifc.
2 likes@Urs Mr. Olympia So I win?
0 likes@Me Ballerman So I win?
7 likesAgain...you know nothing about them.
0 likes@HailBones 666 😂😂😂😂 Or just an educated guess.
0 likes@Jo’kesha 😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂 Morgan Freeman is facepalming somewhere reading stuff like this.
0 likes@Shan Greer Oh...
0 likes@Me Ballerman have you really been keeping up with comments in this thread alone for 3 weeks straight? Get a hobby, seriously thats really sad
1 like@Biosquid239 But people keep addressing me. Now you said something to me. I opened you tube to look for a vid about "how to remove front bumper from a Corsa C" - and already 2 people have addressed me in the Dunn vid. I always look up announcements. And now I will answer the other guy addressing me, and THEN turn my attention to the bumper vid.
0 likes@Anh Tran I will sek help first thing tomorrow morning, very early.
0 likes@Me Ballerman Dunn got life because he put many people in danger. I believe you’re missing the fact that Dunn shot a gun in a public area (A GAS STATION MIND YOU) he took Jordan’s life and put everyone else around them in danger whilst attempting to take the life of the other two kids in the car. His sentence is not harsh, it’s reasonable.
1 like@TheKingsPride if you didnt listen to their mix tape shut UP, its pure 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
1 like@ELLERRRR A weirdo. A Nazi. A racist. A troll. Needs education. Needs help. Needs a life.
2 likesYou are all too kind and caring. Thank you very much.
@Me Ballerman you made a joke about a kid that died, YOURE fine.
1 likeThey got brilliant lesson of behavour
0 likes@Me Ballerman I don’t think realists automatically assume black kids who were fired at made a gangsta rap song first thing. You’re too prideful of your racism as if that’s supposed to validate your points. It just comes off as you knew you messed up so you’re trying to act as if you meant to do that. You know nothing of US affairs. Stay in your lane.
5 likes@Me Ballerman i didnt know Dunn was in the comments under the profile Me Ballerman.....sick fuck
1 like@Me Ballerman CAP!!! i hear Dunn's wife got with a black man after this lmao
0 likesSilly thread. Jesus.
1 like@Edward Peak Hey there, scientist.
0 likes@Me Ballerman most intelligent person here
1 like@Servers Thank you very much for acknowledging. I'm certain you are quite awesome yourself.
0 likes@Me Ballerman Smearing your poop on a wall and so people go "that's gross" isn't the same as being a provocateur. Try harder and be better.
2 likes@Sooz Kempner Clever post. Smart words. Oh, you copied/pasted them from somewhere. I'm sure I read them before. To be original, try harder.
0 likes@PowerStikk StikkPower Cause the 'we breed them strong here' is not a racist comment?
0 likesBallerman, you're in the wrong here; just accept it.
1 like@Sooz Kempner Actually, there's a really famous painting made with gold and elephant shit.. so yeah that is kind of what a provocateur does
1 like@Me Ballerman ive learnt much from your replies here and I'm coming away w more knowledge than I came in with. Thank u! ☺
1 like@That One Titan oh yea right online where the victims family can see it sure that makes them feel great and clearly dude wasn’t joking after the first reply he was serious asf 🤣
0 likes@That One Titan if you wanna make jokes like that online you have to expect people to say shit. I mean cmon he did that on purpose.
0 likes@ELLERRRR Tbh freedom of speech is more important to me than the family's feelings. He's welcome to make any joke he wants (even if it's not a joke and is kind of racist), you're welcome to tell him he's dumb, and I'm welcome to tell you to lay off him. That's the beauty of free speech. None of us actually have to listen to the others 😅
1 like@That One Titan Yea so uhhh what’s your point here
1 like@ELLERRRR Well I asked if you've really never told a dark joke, and you chose to not answer. So I guess that was my point, and you proved it nicely
1 like@That One Titan sooo their child jus died and basically you’d rather read a joke that you’ll prolly forget in 2 mins that the family may remember forever?Nice I’m sure buddy got the attention he needed.
0 likes... I’m assuming you’d like someone making unfunny jokes about your dead family member. Desensitize us to the wrong things as much as we can as they prepare us for the worst and people still trust them am i rightttttt
@ELLERRRR You still didn't answer, probably because you know you have and that makes your point seem hypocritical, but I'll answer your question. I'm genuinely curious why I'm supposed to care about them or their kid. I've never met them. Do you get this upset about all of the 50 million people who die every year? If you do, I'm not sure how you function worrying about it all the time
1 like@1god2savem3 This is great. Thx.
1 like@Me Ballerman Thanks ballerman, you're doing good work
1 like@The Absolute Mad Lad ??? Absolutely not. I'm just assing around.
0 likes@Me Ballerman Am i the only one reading this dude weird explanations with Stephen Mcdaniels voice? Fuckin hell JCS i must be trippin' 🤣
1 like@Me Ballerman so according to you, someone who doesnt live in america, racism in america didnt exist 10 years ago?
0 likesMaybe they'll think twice before blasting profane music in public?
1 likeI was hoping there was a comment like this. This is the most ridiculous reason to shoot someone.
0 likes@Cheryl Hudson I'm not saying I agree with what he did. He belongs in jail for sure. I'm just looking on the bright side. One less person blasting obnoxious music in public, and one less crazy gunman on the streets. Both pluses in my book.
0 likes@Milky Way I am sorry you never go out. There are good people in the world and so much of life to enjoy. Don’t let the Dunns of the world take that away from you.
0 likes@M. Diane Julie Benton Yeah well that's not thr only reason I don't go out. Covid, selfish manipulative people and not wanting to be used by the women I date is why I don't go out. And lack of interest in going out. I am very much a homebody, introverted, etc.
1 like@Milky Way I understand and do enjoy being home and k other introverts, be with myself. All the best to you.
0 likes@M. Diane Julie Benton I wish you the best too. Stay safe.
0 likes@Me Ballerman try not to shoot anyone today captain.
0 likesLove watching him squirm under the mere presence of the black detective. He can't even turn to face him, yet he seems to be looking for some kind of approval from him.
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I noticed this behavior also.
173 likesI believe the foundation of this incident was definitely racial. The fact he immediately commented on the music with "you know i hate this "thug" music"... which I have a feeling he didn't actually use the word "thug".
@Frank White he’s being housed in Oregon prison
4 likesyou can't see where his eyes are looking in that low-d
4 likes@ThatRandomGuy Randomness there were two deceives present and the other was white and he should similar behaviour. I would say he mostly kept looking at the ground as a form of shame.
5 likesI guarantee you he's uses the N word in private.
25 likesQuintessential American comment section
5 likesAnd the prosecutor was black too.
1 likeAh. I noticed that too.
0 likes@Byron Heath Maybe in USA, but I don’t think there’s so much ignorance in the UK. I may be wrong.
0 likesHe's going to need protective custody
0 likesAlot of black cope in these comments, they only reason this case is even talked about is because a older white man shooting a black teen is a man bites dog situation.
1 like@Frank White trust and believe
0 likesHE WILL
@Briala B So are you insinuating only black people are thugs? That's pretty racist. Try to cover up your racism by using "I didn't mean it like that" shit doesn't erase your racism. Nice try though!
1 like@Normal Human You couldn't be any righter about that!
0 likesYup spot on
0 likesHe has more social power than the detective until he committed a crime , he was just trying to sell a dumb story. Yt men don’t look up to or impress blk men, it’s backwards.
0 likes@daminox There’s a website that has a long list of transcripts, prison phone calls, letters, personal notes, statements from other inmates etc. that show him using racial slurs many times.
1 likeOn point observation!
1 likeI applaud this woman for staying true to herself. This should be taught to all women. Never lower yourself to the level of a bad guy because you 'love' him.
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You can tell how hard it was for her, too. Trembling voice, hands fidgeting. I commend her strength.
56 likesShe probably realised that in doing so she was taking back her future
13 likesGoes both ways. It’s a good call though. Don’t lower yourself.
14 likesi dont think she was being noble... i think she was just scared shitless by the prosecution and wanted the nightmare to be over, and also wasnt a lying type of person so anything other than the truth would have been unnatural to say for her.
8 likesmy take after watching 15 hours of these videos. aha
green lamp I’ve been binging these too. I didn’t sleep last night. I watched all night. Now I’m tired... and kids... fuuuu
5 likesCongrats, you got like from BLACK
0 likesWhat does that mean "true to yourself"? Does it mean to tell the truth like she was sworn to do under fear she will go to jailif she doesn't? It seems that lying is normal and telling the truth is not in today's way of being "true to yourself", whatever that means.
1 likeWhat does that mean "true to yourself"? Does it mean to tell the truth like she was sworn to do under fear she will go to jailif she doesn't? It seems that lying is normal and telling the truth is not in today's way of being "true to yourself", whatever that means.
0 likes1969Vanessa G Lol... yeah Vanessa. Haha. I like you.
0 likesI don't know. This guy is obviously pretty off. You don't see someone so blatantly fake, or so unshakabley self concerned every day. So that leaves some questions about her personality. Maybe she's honorable, or she could be a terrible person.
0 likesNicholas McAfee I see you. And yeah. A lill. But she isn’t malevolent... she just isn’t. That’s what they mean. It’s just nice to see that. lol. Especially when everyone sucks mostly... meh.
0 likeslady starkitten jopll I’ll
0 likesExactly 👍👍👍👍👍
0 likesUncomfortable ride home , I can imagine .
0 likesHis fiancé is a strong person. She upheld her oath to tell the truth; I can imagine that’s difficult to do when the defendant is a loved one.
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she ate a pizza and went to sleep instead of going to the police , she is protecting herself
7 likes@A1 exactly wtf... she drove right back home with her husband
0 likesA1
31 likesI don’t think she understood the gravity of the situation at the time because her fiancé was being deceitful about what he had done.
ok then the next day when she saw the news...?
1 likeA1 I thought the same thing at first, but this guy just murdered a kid in cold blood, and she knew it. She could have been terrified herself.
14 likes@A1 Did you even bother watching the video? she had no idea anyone was even hit and she had been drinking
3 likesYou can totally tell by the way Michael describes his gun-skills and the way he pulled it from his glove-box that he had just been waiting for the "perfect" moment to use his gun. I bet in his twisted mind he thought he'd be a hero for fighting back against a group of "thugs" - last time I checked thugs dont usually have clean records and no history of violence.
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Diesel Jr all these young in’s do now
2 likesradarlovedr well I don’t, they didn’t.
34 likesDiesel Jr that’s the crazy part!
4 likes@radarlovedr no they dont. And these young men didn't. So not sure what narrative you're trying to paint
33 likesPaul Meza he couldn’t manage to paint a coherent narrative even with the help of Da Vinci
13 likesYep... This guy was waiting for this moment, and justify shooting someone over loud music!
10 likesThey just like hip hop. Part of the culture they may have grown up in, doesn't make them criminals.
10 likesThis guy spent decades praying that he will get to shoot someone and be a hero.
4 likesHe probably has a history of saying “you talkin to me?” in to the mirror a lot before this incident
8 likesDeep down,that boomer is just racist af
5 likesDiesel Jr plenty of them do though. Do you really think every criminal gets caught? As a teenager I committed breaking in entering, grand theft auto, arson and even armed robbery and assault. I have a squeaky clean record. He still shouldn’t of done what he did, but you still made a stupid statement
1 likeRight, but if they did? Even if he really believed they were up to know good, how is killing them for sitting in a car justice? Who's the thug? I'm thinking the murderer.
1 likeLuxell Goldberg tell me more about this armed robbery and grand theft auto. I’m here to help you.
5 likesLuxell Goldberg all four of them with a squeaky clean record? Not even a fight at school. So all of them got away Scott free? You get real. Your criminal childhood doesn’t apply to everyone else. You’re myopic.
0 likesMaster Foo lmao. This the most obvious bait I’ve ever seen in my life.
0 likesI love this murderer's fiance. You can see that she is a loving soul and she didn't try to cover for the love of her life. Fate did her a favour
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She threw that dude under the bus then drove over him again...ha
45 likesIt seems to me like she was struggling with the fact that she really loves the man, and that she feels terrible about the teenage boy who lost his life because of him.
166 likesI can’t imagine how difficult that would be for her.
I think it says a lot about her morals that she didn’t lie for him and told the truth of what she knew, that must’ve been really hard
@Hugo Gojibiter it sounds like a terrible situation to be in. I agree with you that she did the right thing.
17 likesThere had to be a really touching moment where they convinced her to just be completely honest without worrying about protecting him. Something like "you know doing what's right is more important than love." She's such a sweetie. She said "oh sorry, am i allowed to say what i was thinking?" Just a sweet inoccent lady it makes me blush
27 likes@Brad Phuck She didn't throw him under the bus or did anything betray the guy. She was simply being honest and spoke the truth.
18 likes@Zissou Moonshot because emotions don't make any logical sense at all and brain chemistry is one hell of a drug.
1 likeShe's single now, so why not get in touch?!
0 likesYes but that favor came with a terrible price.
1 like@Brad Phuck wouldn’t have been a bus to throw under if he hadn’t pulled a Dirty Harry.
1 likeThis couldn't be. MY wife
0 likes"I love this murderer's fiance" I love that phrase.
0 likes@Southern Fun Only in your head.
0 likes@Hugo Gojibiter I don't think we know all of the details, but she does seem honest and like a good person. This had to be horrible for her.
0 likes@Different People what's a norbit?
0 likesShe dodged a bullet in more ways than one.
1 likeFacts
0 likesa truly respectable woman!
0 likesShe is so sweet ... I was thinking that the hole time
0 likesI keep wondering why he didn't immediately call for a lawyer, but then realize he wanted so badly to brag about his gun skills and knew a lawyer wouldn't do it for him. He's so proud of himself it's pathetic.
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Sounds familiar cough cough Michael Drejka cough cough
3 likes"FlUiD mOtIoN."
2 likesIt gets worse: From his prison cell...he was recorded saying that Jordan would've just become a criminal anyway. Dunn is right where he belongs.
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So tragic. Poor kids, that must've been brutal. I can't even imagine what it's like to have your friend get murdered in your car like that.
369 likesWhat a piece of shit.
Racism?
173 likesWho recorded that?
12 likesAnd look who became the criminal
146 likes@PHOTON, The Blue Flash of course it's racism.
190 likes@Andrew V phone call with someone. All prison phone calls are recorded.
61 likesHe isn't lying. Dude did have a record. I see it as trash taking out trash. Nothing of value lost either way
27 likes@P Craft the kid literally didn't have a record lmao. The cop in the video even says so- so um...looks like the only scumbags are this murderer and whoever would make up lies about a dead child
321 likes@P Craft So you blatantly ignore the part where the cop says he didn’t have a record during the interrogation?
211 likes@Keya being born black is being born with a record to people like this
193 likes@P Craft So what if he had a record? Which he didn't.. He should be gunned down like that??
145 likesNah, should’ve gotten the chair.
14 likes@𝖙𝖖 𝖇𝖇 too good for him, I say let him waste away behind bars
31 likes@P Craft You’re probably trolling, but even if the kid did have a record (which he didn’t), he was fucking 17. A hypothetical kid stealing a candy bar or getting in a fight at school when they’re like 15 doesn’t justify fucking murdering them.
89 likes@P Craft wow ok, he was 17. Plenty of time to turn his life around even if it was headed the wrong direction. Doesn’t mean that his life had no value. It’s not trash taking out trash. Horrible wording when referring to a dead teenager.
62 likes@P Craft 36:17 zero record. Check your facts
29 likesI wasn't looking but the second I heard "I hate music like' (or whatever)that I knew the victim was black.
10 likesI don't particularly care for alot of modern rap but I nor anyone including bigoted elderly black people I know of color would say anything like that because people like him use it.
I try and advoid stuff like this bc I struggle with body positivity sometimes but I had to sit through this one and listen till the end.
You’re right, he was a future doctor for sure
4 likes@P Craft you have to be trolling. Its literally stated by the officers that NONE of those kids had records. Even if they did, theyre children with their whole lives ahead of them. You don't get to decide who deserves to die, random youtube comment section troll.
33 likesWell statistically speaking.. that’s probably true.
5 likeshope he enjoys being bubbas fleshlight for the duration of his sentence
6 likesDunn had a record for drinking and driving when he was just as young as his victim. One in which lead him to spending 5 nights in a county jail. For that I'd say Dunn was young and made some very stupid mistakes, but its disgusting that Jordan isnt *given the same benefit of the doubt because he had some infraction in high school
22 likes@P Craft Just to be clear, a single instance of playing truant at school is NOT a criminal record, which is the only even MILDLY negative thing that was ever raised against Jordan. How on Earth is that a case of 'trash taking out trash'? The innocent victim had no criminal record whatsoever.
19 likesI can believe the young guys were trash talking but it doesn't give this man the right to shoot
6 likesOh the good old prison cell recording devices I forgot about thoseeee.... wtf is this hear say haha
0 likesO Wow...yes he definitely is. #1 Who is he to tell ANYONE to turn their music down.
4 likesHe would become a criminal anyway
4 likes@P Craft you making up “a record” for Jordan makes you just like Dunn. Jordan had no record.
9 likesNo remorse at all. Gets what he deserves
4 likes@𝖙𝖖 𝖇𝖇 Nah this guy needs to brew in this fine cup of tea that he made for himself
3 likes@B G does he have to be a doctor to deserve not getting shot?
8 likes@S1deshowRob pretty accurate tbh. Same with cops, I call it DWB or Driving While Black. That's enough reason to pull a person over right there and then God forbid they twitch their hand or the cops will assume they're reaching for a gun.
7 likesIt's just disgusting how people like that assume that any black person they encounter, from the streets of Harlem to a CEO, they're all probably drug dealers and that CEO probably stole the Mercedes he's driving
@P Craft even if he did have a record, that’s not worth gunning him down with your own personal firing squad. And what kind of record? Is it violent or sexual or did he steal a bag of chips or something?
3 likes@Rachael i think we’d all settle for non-criminal at this point
0 likes@Lashay Fine imagine being this self-centered. Very cool thanks “Lashay”!
0 likes@B G what do you mean by that?
1 like@Callum Lambkin I really think he was just looking for any old guy to shoot. I think racism is definitely an issue, but I don’t think he was being racist in his shooting him. I think his justification however was very racist
3 likes@B G with affirmative action it wouldnt have been hard
1 like@P Craft try to contain your racism. Thanks 😉
3 likesAnd you heard it? Wheres the proof?
0 likesCriminalstats are racist?
0 likes@The Franchise its not racist to point that only one race exists where all other races have to take care of them or they will go extinct. It's eugenics really.
0 likes@PHOTON, The Blue Flash definitely racism
1 like@P Craft he did not have a record. The driver had a record but was still a well behaved kid. He made a mistake when he was younger but was far from a hardened criminal.
2 likes@B G the way you say that makes me think that you’re being sarcastic. So if you are, my question is are you a doctor? and are you a productive member of society? 2 separate questions with 2 different reasonings.
1 like@Eff Yu you’re wrong, dead wrong
1 like@Pooper Scooper ltm the only infraction that he had was truancy which is nothing
1 like@southofheck it was nothing, just truancy
2 likes@bbennyj shit man, I’ve nearly been got for truancy. I bet a good chunk of high schoolers have. That’s barely anything as far as criminality goes. Can’t believe that’d be used as a justification for an act like murder.
2 likes@bbennyj Stats don’t lie, and you clearly don’t know them. The truth also can hurt, and that’s why you’re here.
0 likes@southofheck I know, it’s just judgemental people trying to bring up nonsense
2 likes@Eff Yu before you start judging people by statistics, start looking at yourself and do something positive to uplift others.
1 like@Eff Yu the funny thing is you are just like Dunn. Instead of Dunn looking at himself and seeing the criminal that he was, he started judging other people because they were being annoying to him and simply being kids.
2 likes@Phil the Thrill it's assumtptive and stereotyping but isn't inferring a superiority or inferiority based on race . it is not racism per se, do not let engineered media change for you what the definition of what such a term is.
0 likes@Missy Rivas they can say what they want in interrogations except lie about jail terms and sentences
0 likes@Callum Lambkin it's simple statistic probability
0 likes@03056932R what are u referring to exactly?
1 like@03056932R oh I see now. The funny thing is I wasn't referring to anything that can't be fact checked. Yeah pigs can say what they want in an interrogation but the fact remains- the kid had zero record and that was addressed and made clear in this video
2 likesCan you provide a link to any site with that on i wouldn't mind reading it?
0 likes@P Craft You tell me hows there is only one race and the rest of us will tell you what its like to have a physically intimate connection with someone who loves you lmfao
5 likes@P Craft I got caught stealing a pack of gum when I was 7. I didn't turn in to a criminal and actually own a business now in my 30s. Where do you get your crack? That must be some good shit.
2 likes@Dan R not an argument
1 likeI would like some more context to this
0 likesHearing him make a story to justify what he did made me feel like he's lowkey racist.
0 likes@PHOTON, The Blue Flash I am not sure if it is racism but DEFINITELY xenophobia.
0 likesNow he is the criminal and unfortunately another black young man - INNOCENT - is dead😟
@P Craft the biggest beneficiaries of the welfare state are white people. Look it up. There are more white people on welfare than any other race. So you’re welcome for every other race taking care of you and your people. But back to your original racist statement. Jordan Davis didn’t have a record. So defining him as “trash” and putting him in the same category as Michael Dunn is typical of the mindless and uniformed. Hitler was an advocate for Eugenics and it’s not surprising that you would invoke that logic into this discourse.
3 likes“Among the 59 million people we identified as receiving [public] assistance, more than two in five (43 percent) are non-Hispanic white people. The next largest group of recipients are Hispanic people (26 percent), followed by non-Hispanic black people (23 percent).”
@P Craft satanist
0 likesPretty suspicious of him to say that. Benefit of the doubt I’m trying to give but I can’t help but agree when none of the evidence lines up with what he’s trying to say
0 likesPoor Jordan if we can have any saving grace at least he didn’t have to suffer for long :c
0 likesPhil the Thrill not necessarily racism it could be racism obviously but it could just be general aggression and being a bad person he’s a bad guy idk if he’s racist but he’s bad unless you can prove me wrong
0 likesSo is Jordan
0 likes@P Craft I like how you keep confidently replying as if you didn't already get absolutely dunked on by half this comment section for your initial comment being provably wrong. You know what we call people who speak confidently on topics of which they know nothing about?
2 likesHINT: It's not "scientist".
P Craft has a point. Just because he didn't get caught doesn't mean he didn't commit crimes prior. Naive people smh.
0 likes@Pooper Scooper ltm I disagree. No point in keeping him or others behind bars for life. Give them all the death penalty and execute within 3 years on cases that have solid evidence. This is my opinion.
0 likes@Joel Farrelly get trolled
0 likes@CornerPressurE Aw, you’re now trying to pretend your abject failure was some form of victory. How precious😌
4 likes@Timothy Strees solid evidence to who bro. The defense of them could think solid evidence isnt solid and play word salad and what about the crimes that are horrific but it's hard to determine a specific killer? You don't understand anything about the court of law if you think shit will be that easy with no failure lmao
0 likes@Katherine Villarreal 😄I knew my comment would stir someone up. Glad it worked. I believe some people really are wrongfully convicted and should be given some time to make sure no new evidence comes to light. My example of solid evidence would have to be multiple forms. If they had dna,video and a confession without spending hours pressing the issue. That once again IN MY OPINION would be plenty to expedite the execution process . If you don't agree with that awesome! Everyone can have an opinion. Above is mine. 😃
0 likesI'm not going to be that guy that is going to lie and say I know everything about the legal system. I don't know everything,I possibly know less than you. I am okay with that. I find the "justice" system to be interesting and have a little knowledge on it. However above is based on my opinions only and not based on knowledge of how it work.
@Timothy Strees ok and
0 likesjeez….
0 likes@Joel Farrelly believe what you will. I'm sure you believe evolution stops at the neck also.
0 likes@P Craft Do you think “trolling” means “being so wrong you have to create a second YouTube profile to agree with your own comment because no one else will”? Or are you just desperately trying to bury the exchange where you got exposed for inventing fake internet friends?
4 likesEither way, I have no problem continuing to clown on you for it😉
Source?
0 likesDunn looks crazy ash u dont even need to know him to see it😂😂
0 likesWow
0 likeslol hes got a point right there
0 likesHope he’s getting the love ❤️ he needs now
1 like@Joel Farrelly wow!!!…..ouch!! Looks like P-craft got P-owned!!! 🎤 drop!!! 🤣😂🤣😂
2 likesWe are all stuck in a rabbit hole and we won’t get out
4636 likesIt all started with “what pretending to be crazy looks like”
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fact
92 likesOmg. You are me😯
89 likesYasss
22 likes🤦🏻♀️ I cant climb out. I may die down in this hole.
53 likesSome of us are real jcs fans Actually
51 likesThat Casey Anthony video was straight up "bruh, how can jury say not guilty?"
49 likesCouldn't have said it better. This is exactly me...
7 likesSAME
4 likesI feel seen
8 likesI was here long before that lol
24 likes@Styll Dash cool I’m speaking for the vast majority lol
3 likes@Hidden Object same^
0 likesFacts
0 likesDammit how did you know
0 likesYesss I started with that a week ago and listen/watch these all day long while I’m at work in a boring office
0 likesHere’s a tip from a long time JCS viewer. Pay $1 for his Patreon. He has a bunch of videos on there that aren’t on YouTube anymore. Some of his best videos are only on Patreon.
22 likesYeah same here.. I love rabbit holes.. they shouldn't be this easy to fall into..
2 likesCopied comment???
0 likes@ghsucjsnf did someone copy mine?
0 likesOMG exactly
0 likes@Ryan Stearns Idk maybe Im going crazy. I saw a comment a few days ago that was similar to this one on another video but I might've accidentally clicked on this one and not notice.
0 likes@ghsucjsnf nah I even made sure nobody commented the same thing
0 likesOmg yes
0 likes@Styll Dash Don't gatekeep bro. New fan old fan, it doesn't matter because we're all into the same stuff!
4 likesOne of us, one of us
2 likesYup
0 likesBro wtf 😂
0 likesYesss ! Lol
0 likes@Joseph T I didn’t even know he had a patreon. What is it??
0 likes100%😂😂😂
0 likesSame 🤦🏽♀️
0 likes😂😂
0 likesim not alone on this painful journey :)
1 likeI’m from Casey and other channels <3
0 likesWtf...
0 likesFacts
0 likesI have never had an original experience...
0 likesI felt this comment.
0 likesfacts lol
0 likesLast Wednesday, as a matter of fact
0 likesbeen in this rabbit hole for years
1 likeYES YES YES
0 likes@Joseph T thanks bro
0 likes@CobaltCrazy207 exactlyy
0 likesO-O... how you know...
0 likesWe all know TikTok brought us here 😳😏
0 likesAbsolutely
0 likesYes! The Jodi Arias one is a masterpiece!
0 likesBeen watching quite a long time before that video
0 likesBRO GET OUT OF MY HEAD
0 likesThis should be top comment.
0 likesLmao!! Facts
0 likes@Joseph T You, Joseph, are now my friend. Thank you.
0 likesWell.... shit, yeah, you're right.
0 likesI have exam in 15hrs still can't help but watch this lmao
1 likeRIGHT?! I know way too much about Casey Anthony now, and I'm kinda stanning Jennifer Pan.
0 likesAnyone else going from shortest to longest video?
0 likesVery true.
0 likesToo accurate
0 likesHahaha that is so true!
0 likesomg you too?
0 likesY’all went to Patreon yet? You should!
0 likesJC is amazing man I found him from the frazy video nd been addicted since
0 likesSo true😳😧
0 likesI was enjoying my comedies on Netflix before I found this channel 🤦🏽♀️
0 likesFacts
0 likesI started with The Legend of Jeff :)
0 likesWAIT HOWD U KNOW
0 likesthats where YOU started. Its been a long time for me
0 likesYeah, same here 🥴🤣
0 likesWhoa 🤔
0 likesHaha same here
0 likesThat's exactly how it started for me.
0 likesdude yes
0 likesI just realized I spend 10%of my time watching this the last week
0 likesDid everybody start off this way? 😱 that’s all it took and now I can’t stop
0 likesThat comment is too real
0 likesSame
0 likesLiterally
0 likesFRRRR
0 likesI-... uhhh... yea :O
0 likes& you are correct 🤣
0 likeslmao true
0 likesWeirdest thing - for me it was the "Legend of Jeff" video. I have no idea when I watched it, but I was recently suggested the "Crazy" video and went to binge and realized I'd been here once before haha. This channel is great, though.
0 likesyep
0 likesYUP
0 likesNah, I've been in stuck on JCS for a couple years now.
0 likesFACTS
0 likesFacts
0 likesHow is this so accurate xDDDD
0 likesLol.. I am a lil concerned how everybody got traped in the same rabbit hole...
0 likesI've been here since his chris watts series so speak for yourself
1 likeSpot onnn
0 likesThis is so accurate! 😆
0 likesFor real
0 likesdid yall just find JCS
0 likesthis is me right now- I saw that video and now I'm stuck watching more. It's so interesting
0 likesFacts
0 likeshaha down the hole we go!
0 likesOnly toolbags bud
0 likesThese are addictive
0 likesI’m not alone!!!
0 likesThere’s so many of us 😅🤣
0 likesThe amount of ads they put in these videos is ridiculous though.
0 likesNo lol, i started with this last year, before he even had millions of views
0 likesGet the hell out of my head
0 likeshahahaha ahhhh fuck, you're right.
0 likesStoppp how’d you know 😭🤣
0 likesfacts💀
0 likesYUP
0 likesGUILTY.
0 likesStop attacking me
0 likesMine was the guilty until proven innocent
0 likesoh fuck yes.... are you spying on me or something???
0 likesbro I'm gonna tell you I've spent HOURS of my life seeing this videos oh shit
SAME
0 likesLOL yes i love these
0 likesYes.
0 likesLiterally yes
0 likesI’ve been stuck in it for days
0 likesI actually first got into JCS after watching a video that I guess they deleted, that was showing how people being accused for crimes they didnt do react, and it went over two different people, one who got angry and visibly frustrated about being accused for a crime, and another who remained pretty calm and calmly answered his questions
0 likes@Jeddicus It wasn't deleted, it's still up. I believe it is titled "Innocent Until Proven Guilty"
0 likesBRUH YES😂😂 saw that and thought ‘ooh, this looks interesting’
0 likesBruh
0 likesThere is no escape
0 likesOmg lmao so true
0 likesare we the same ppl 😂😂😂😂
0 likeshow did you-
0 likeshow relatable
0 likesLiterally wtf 😂😂
0 likesThere's the youtube recommendation algorithm at work right there.
0 likesOng 😫😫
0 likes😂 yep
1 likeim addicted
0 likesSaaame. 🤦♀️ It's a trap.
0 likesI want to see his subscriber/viewers count data, it's had to have gone a lot higher recently
0 likesfacts
0 likesI didn't even get it in recommended videos. I just read somewhere about it being recommended, and now I'm stuck.
0 likesbeen in this rabbit hole for a year
0 likesYes, exactly 😃 But i learned a few things here, though i hope i will never be dependent on remembering what i learned here!!!!
0 likesMe asf😭
0 likesIt is difficult to hear this killer attempt to incriminate a dead child
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Well yea it’s horrible.
15 likes17. Cops didn't treat me like a child at 17. Funny how these terms change according to circumstance. I would be intimidated by many 17 year old "children" in a gang late at night.
33 likesDavid Kinsella
148 likesThese people weren’t in a a gang. They just stopped by the gas station
@Dáithi O'Cinnsealach The circumstance being that these specific ones did not commit a crime.
34 likes@Dáithi O'Cinnsealach They were a group of people in a car. I guess that's supposed to constitute a gang in your mind?
105 likesDavid Kinsella yeah 17 is a child. That’s not an opinion that’s the law. Deal with it.
65 likes@Dáithi O'Cinnsealach no one there was in a gang, you're just being racist
86 likes@Caspers In Ireland gang doesn't always mean what you think it means. So that's reverse racism assuming I meant a criminals gang just because of their colour. I should have said group, but here we can say a gang of youths and not intend it to mean an organized criminal group with weapons and dealing drugs etc.
10 likesSnich Trolliana
1 likeLegally, the term child may refer to anyone below the age of majority or some other age limit. The United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child defines child as "a human being below the age of 18 years unless under the law applicable to the child, majority is attained earlier".
Literally Wikipedia my dude. Make sense?
@Dáithi O'Cinnsealach sure dude, we all know what you meant
39 likes@Dáithi O'Cinnsealach So true!
1 likeDavid Kinsella that doesnt give u the right to shoot them buddy. if you were truly threatened, then leave. its that easy.
18 likes@Dáithi O'Cinnsealach i mean police hates young people. of course they don't threat teens well. smh
1 likeAs someone who lost my boyfriend when we were 17, it is absolutely heartbreaking to see someone try and justify taking such a young life. Gotta stop watching these vids, fucking heartbreaking
6 likes@Dáithi O'Cinnsealach I agree, how many of these programs have I watched, where 16 and 17 year old perpetrators were trialled as adults. American's just love an agenda and a story they can tell. The law is twisted to suit their political and or financial agenda. They don't give a shit about the victim.
2 likesIt's also VERY disturbing how he shot up that truck, went to the hotel, ordered pizza and then slept like a baby.
2 likesLol, a 17 year old is not a child
0 likes@poundmytomtom *minor
0 likes@Dáithi O'Cinnsealach child. 17 is one year above 16.... 🙄 you really that weak to be intimidated by a bunch of kids??
1 like@Dáithi O'Cinnsealach just cuz 4 black men are in a car together, doesn’t mean they’re in a gang! These young boys were just hanging out.
1 like@Sydney H Yep, already explained this. In Ireland a gang is just a group of people. We don't really have "gangs" here the way you do there.
0 likes@Zealed You could have just said "no u"
0 likesIt's even worse to hear him call them thugs.
0 likesThe poor kid was 17 years old! Every kid at 17 goes for a cruise with loud music sometimes. This just hurts my heart, man.
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@Charles Lindbergh His murder was justified? In what world!?
30 likes@Charles Lindbergh are you out of your mind?
25 likes@Charles Lindbergh why is a black kid being gunned down in the street just?
18 likes@Charles Lindbergh hope you'll ask for it too
25 likes@Charles Lindbergh how?
4 likes@Charles Lindbergh so acting brash in one case means that murder is justified?
7 likes@Robert Bektas dont feed the trol
19 likesuh I didn't and I'm 19 almost 20
12 likes@Cuddle Cakes I guess every kid with friends
50 likesExactly... me and my friends always crused around with loud music when we first got our drivers license. Thank europe to have strict gun laws, otherwise half of the teenagers would be dead by now...
21 likes@Robert Bektas Bell is a troll. Don't waste your time on him.
4 likesYou mean poor animal?
1 like@Charles Lindbergh i heard Elliot secretly fantasizes about a bunch of homies turning him out. No shame in that, just a weird fantasy IMO
5 likes@Josef J Oh no, it's a weeb. Poor kneckbeard doesn't know how to let others enjoy what they want to enjoy without getting triggered. Which is ironic seeing as how they were the blunt of every internet joke for years and still are. My prayers go out to you for having in an interest in anime
1 like@Cuddle Cakes 1 black dynamite ain't no anime. 2 ask any person who's not into anime or mlp witch one's more autistic. I bet you they gonna say mlp. I don't know anybody who watches mlp and isn't on the spectrum my guy.🤦🏽♂️
7 likes@Charles Lindbergh I see the sickos are coming out of the woodwork. I have a personal question for you Elliot, do you go up to bereaved people at a funeral and dis the deceased just to provoke a reaction??
4 likes@johnb66y He's the kind of guy that will only talk shit when he can do it safe and anonymously.
5 likes@Cuddle Cakes i ain't say there's nothing bad bout being on the spectrum. Just that you and your friends prolly not act like normal teens cause you watch mlp. You acting you so much better than people playing loud music in their cars. How you gonna call me rude, while insulting a dead kid? And how you gonna say I'm bad for judging people based on what they watch, while at the same time calling people weebs?🤦🏽♂️
11 likesDont fuck with strangers man.
1 likeI'm his age and thats one of my favourite activities :/
2 likesNone of us knows the full story, only the suspect and the victim knows what really happened.
0 likesI always drive around with loud music I like my music loud because it helps my anxiety when driving Bc I have a lot of anxiety driving Bc I have adhd and driving with my music extremely loud let’s me focus on the road surprisingly and when I found that out I blast my music wherever I go. It’s not to be rude or annoying it’s to help me not get into an accident and that’s that. Nobody knows other people’s stories. These are obviously teenage boys having fun. I have been in a car with friends and they blast music even when I’m not driving. It’s fun for teenagers. I can’t imagine being in these kid’s situation they were probably scared to death and beside them is their friend who’s dead. That’s sickening and the fact people are actually trying to defend the guy who shot them is unbelievable. The fact he fucking left the scene too after knowing he might’ve killed someone and actually did kill someone is unbelievable to me. It’s inhumane. It’s honestly unfathomable.
5 likesPlus why would you tell someone to turn down their music if you’re only going to be there for a short amount of time? How does loud music bother someone that much where you even feel the need to tell someone to turn it down? Where are you where you are there long enough for it to bother you that much? It makes no fucking sense.
5 likes@Dev also witnesses testifying that he heard no threatening words from the kids, only from Dunn. We also have a dead 17 year old kid and his killer who doesn’t show the slightest bit of remorse. THAT is what we do know
5 likes@3030toby yeah and witnesses are known for their truthfulness, same as victims and the offenders. And Dunn is known for his reverse drive-by.
0 likes@Dev so we don’t know the full story, but you know enough to know that everyone involved lied? even the witness, who had literally no reason to lie?
4 likes@3030toby just because you see no reason to lie doesn't mean there isn't one. It's like those videos that start half way and everybody decides that this person is guilty without the full story.
0 likes@Dev yea, but in this case the video ends with a teenager getting shot and killed
4 likes@Dev and what about his wife, who said Dunn made no mention of any threatening words or gestures directed at him? let me guess, someone payed her off?
4 likes@Dev you’re right, we don’t know 100%, and I understand wanting to give him the benefit of the doubt. But what about the exponentially more plausible idea that the kid that was killed was entirely minding his own business and got killed by an angry old racist prick because he didn’t like his “thug, animal music”
5 likes@3030toby well you attack Dunn but you could aswell attack those young guys, at court whatever they are asked they keep saying "yes sir, no sir" it's fake, they are trying to act like nice guys that would never do anything bad. Do you think they told Dunn " I'm sorry sir but I can't fulfill your requirement"? Or they just told him to fuck off because there was 4 of them?
0 likes@Dev who cares if they did lol, that’s freedom of speech.
2 likes@3030toby As we can see Dunn did care. Freedom of speech is not really a thing anymore. Somebody gets offended by whatever you say and you get judged by what you said.
0 likesIf you're not 17 and full of loud music and attitude at adults and authority in general, you're doing it wrong! We've all been, including me, and you end up growing up and working and getting a family and calming down and figuring it out. Michael Dunn never let one of these kids "figure it out" because he killed him first. Thank you, old grumpy men in my day for never shooting at me for giving lip and attitude... It was just my hormones and not personal!
3 likes@Sir Smokee Fortwence look how that turned out good friends haha
0 likes@Cuddle Cakes its not dumb or irresponsible to play loud music, square
2 likes@Jellyfish Josh So listening to loud music in the parking is a freedom of speech. And you call me stupid 😀
0 likesDamn, I'm 17, and I'd kill myself in shame if you'd tell me to play music loudly at a public place. But I get your point lol
1 likeAs a white 16 years old who goes driving around with a group of friends all the time bumping tunes, it’s crazy to me how I never fear an interaction like this. I think at worst for me, a young white dude, is a Karen who tries yelling at me. For a black dude my age this is their worst, and that difference is just crazy to me
6 likessure yes, a cruise with loud music. thats all fine and good. but I never sat in a parking lot of a gas station blaring my music and I certainly would never be rude and confrontational if somebody asked me to turn it down. that's the difference here. putting aside the whole murder thing because I dont think anybody is disputing that.
3 likes@N A You're defending a murderer because the teenager was rude.
1 like@M.J.E. that should be the message, be polite, don't threaten people you don't know on the off chance some dude with 5 whiskeys in him is going to do something stupid and pull a gun and shoot you. Because crazy people are out there and acting stupid is a magnet for bad things to happen.
0 likes@Dyno Hrnic play stupid games and win stupid prizes. Play your music loud and piss of some lunatic with 5 whiskeys in him with a gun. You can be right and dead. It's still better to be polite. Occasionally you can even be polite and run into bad people anyway, still a good idea to decide to fight or walk away. Most times its better to walk away from irrational people. This is a perfect example of how fast something simple can get totally out of hand.
0 likes@Trent Gustus yes well im from Croatia not America so people here don't murder others like their life is nothing
3 likes@Dyno Hrnic I'm pretty sure if you test the odds in Croatia you can find someone as crazy as this man and the outcome won't be much different. He might not have a gun, it could be a knife.
0 likesHonestly, i do hate those kids with loud musics.. but what do i do? I walk away
0 likes@Uasakura you were 17 at one point though. Kids do this. Eventually they grow out of it and become more like you. The I'll walk away type. As it should be.
0 likes@Dyno Hrnic not to mention him and his fiance were already boozed up and going in for more booze. So you got two drunk fools driving around with a loaded gun. And why shoot at the back of the truck as it was driving away ???
2 likesNow he thinks they were ADULTS not teens. WTF has age have to do with this??????
1 like@21donuts I never said he was right. But I don't think they should been playing loud music either. Many people find it disruptive and annoying, so do I.
0 likes@Dev if you're small enough to feel that people judging you for what you say is losing your right to freedom of speech, that is your issue only.
1 like@Eliot Gierat right of speech goes both ways, you can say what you think and I can say what I think. If there is somebody who doesn't like that fact then he/she has a problem. If you are small enough? To be honest I always thought like I could be 5 cm taller, 185 sounds a lot better than 180
0 likesCringe
0 likesNext time you feel you are a horrible person and are hard on yourself, be gentle, be patient, and be grateful you aren't this guy.
0 likesThese officers are interrogating this guy and toward the end, they tell him he's being charged with murder and attempted murder. Did they ever read him his rights? Did he know he had the right to remain silent? Because if so he should have done what you always do when cops start to ask you questions. "shut the fuck up!"
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In the full video, yes they did. Also he mentioned a lawyer at one point and they stopped questioning until he confirmed that he wasn’t asking for one now. These cops know they’d blow it on a technicality to not Mirandize him.
5 likesHis voice, the way he looks just makes me sick 🤢🤢
0 likesthat phone call was so cringy at the beginning
0 likesHe’s looking at Rhonda like you better not tell them the truth.
0 likesWhy are they telling him about the kids criminal records!? WTF difference does that make? He couldn't have looked them up in any register anyway! And the cop says it himself; he knows people i Jacksonville who would do this and that before asking questions! Doh!
0 likesHappy new year Michael. x 20
0 likes“I’m the Victor and the victim “
11 likes…Sounds about white
I guess he really hates being with "Those animals " now "LOL".
0 likesI'm sick of this terrible world.
0 likesAll this crap makes me draw my wagons and trust no one.
All over loud music haha. This guy is as pathetic as they come 😑
0 likesYou can kill someone an be go home with your wife and just eat pizza? No wonder half of a million people go missing every year
0 likesPure narcissist! No shed of remorse for the victim. Why did he even have a gun in the first place how is that legal! I can’t help but think that these types of events are inevitable when a you allow a narcissistic, racist to have a gun.
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Yeah you can see the thickness in his face
0 likesWhy all these white Kevin’s got guns and the same attitudes and the same names killing kids in parking lots for nothing?
0 likesMy husbands named Michael, got me worried
Black interrogator is awesome
1 likeso don’t get me wrong most of this is spot on and dudes a narcissistic guy who killed someone and was trying to be manipulative. I just personally like to go into things in more detail. Is a far fetched thought that when he contradicts himself by saying “I don’t know how many kids were in the car” and “i thought there were grown men” that he could have just become aware of the fact that they were kids but did think they were adults? idk, i know it’s a relatively small part of this entire case but it’s interesting to me. if you read this hope you have a good day!
0 likesSuch a terrible incident this is why anytime I get near a public place parked oh I always turn my music down because you never know what crazy person is going to be triggered just from something like that
0 likesPlease return 😢
0 likesPee wee herrman over here cant get his story straight lol
1 likenever trust french bulldog owners
1 likeWhy do these people talk without a lawyer. I mean I guess its better that they do
1 likeUSA - give guns in hands of everyone because of 2nd amendment or something
4 likesAlso USA - Whaaaaaaaaaaa??? We are so shocked that these incidents keep on happening.
dont talk without an attorney
0 likesReally thought we were going to get married...I'm such an idiot 🙄😒
0 likesJCS needs help fron Rekieta Law with their youtube copyright problems
1 likeThey never believe they do any thing wrong .l.k.u.
1 likeWow, he spun quite the fairy tale.
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Yes but he forget to flee in the pumpkin carriage ...
0 likesI was like what happen to the video!! Nice that it’s back… can I ask why it was removed?
0 likesMore dangerous & evil people get much lesser sentences than this guy. Sadly, he paid the price for talking openly to police without legal experience / lawyer.
0 likesMost poly-LIE-TIC-ians & their psychopathic corrupt poolice enforcers deserve the sentence he got.
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why not polieticians instead of polylieticians
0 likesI bet he’s regretting playing tough guy now
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I would bet he’s not. He is who he is. Everything he says regarding his behavior, he defends himself and claims he’s in the right.
0 likesI LIVE RIGHT AROUND THERE BRUH STOOOOP 😭
0 likesRhonda is a good person
0 likesWhen you shoot while they're running it's no longer self defense if someone you just shot at is running you get to cover and make sure they're not coming back
2 likesNever talk to police
0 likesPoor alcoholic Rhonda
1 like“you’re dead b*tch” ..man black people don’t even talk like that lol
3 likesGod rest 17 year old Jordan Davis
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Well he won't jive talk anyone no more!
0 likes@fred bloggs fred how many times are you going to comment?
2 likes@Christy B Lol! It's my distraction when I get tired of writing my PhD. Call it my frivolous outlet. Anyway, you're not one of those sanctimonious comment cops are you?
0 likesImaging ruinging your life because of some music
0 likesMy life is a chain of frustrations, i haven't killed anyone! (yet). 😄
0 likesugh him fake crying on the stand is pathetic
2 likesThink about this. White men got away with this for decades. Race is a huge problem in America, but there has been progress too.
1 likeYou know what me and my bf do when annoyed by other peoples music? We blast Baby Shark at them. Baaaaaby shark doo doo doo dooo do doooo, ya know that.
0 likesgod who cares about charlie and getting rhonda more wine maybe this wouldnt have happened
0 likesYouTube is so stupid for flagging this channel. I’m so fkn pissed #freejcs #bringbackjcs
1 likeHe seems like a snob and a hot head. Not surprised this happened. Probably a race thing also
1 likedon tknow why an Additional charge comes after 3 convictions
0 likesSo mike is done huh?
0 likesWhat a spin.
0 likesI wish jcs would upload more
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I'm pretty sure they can't BC of YouTube's bs rules
0 likesWhy can’t somebody bed patient for something someone else does and he does not like?does not really harm him?he would be gone in too minutes and had forgot about the music..
0 likesMy heart breaks so much for Jordan’s family. I can’t imagine killing a KID and thinking you’re in the RIGHT???
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He doesn't think he's in the right. He is exhibiting guilty behavior (you can figure what that is in the video "Guilty until proven innocent" on this channel)
7 likesBut obviously he's not gonna come out and say i tried to kill those kids, the only situation where he can get away with he has done is self defense which implicates that the kids would have done much worse than he had done to them (again, the only way you can justify that second volley.)
So yes, whilst he is saying he is in the right, the guilty behavior he is exhibiting is flaring up.
@Alvin Walker this is just victim blaming. A kid talking shit to someone doesn’t mean they deserve to die. Usually when someone’s murdered we don’t say “ya but they were doing something they shouldn’t have” so what. So what if “he was no angel”
21 likesHE HAD IT COMING.
0 likesBig Daddy Dunn was a bad one.
0 likesI dislike inconsiderate people in public too, but Jesus, that guy is absolutely unhinged.
2 likesAlcohol was a major factor here
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Without question.
1 likeNot sure why faces are blurred?? We have seen their faces for years
0 likesRhonda seems like such a sweet person. Even asking the cop "should tell you what I was thinking? " Too bad she wasted so much time on this guy!
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She deserves a lot of respect for telling the truth when it clearly hurt her so damn much. I know realistically we should all expect to tell the truth were we on that stand up there but obviously the relationship can blind that situation and make you refuse to be cooperative and I don't know it just saddens me for her in a way I am struggling to describe, I hope she's in a better place now that he is locked up.
28 likesI feel horribly for the victims family as well and all the ones in the car that has to deal with that trauma for the rest of their lives too, so fucking sad, he ruined so many lives in just a few seconds.
I agree. She's a superior person. You can tell she's direct and honest with everyone, and in the nicest way she can muster, given the circumstances.
10 likesEveryone should be blessed with such a partner. He was a lucky man, for his last four years before prison anyway.
@jonahlevin67 I hope she's doing okay.
2 likes@Black Weirdo He's either a troll or a narcissist himself, don't fall for his comments.
2 likesI just don't understand why she wouldn't address the whole I just shot at them .... Saying she would mention it tomorrow... Was it normal? Or ... I dunno. She didn't say scared. Just curious how that's not completely fkd up
2 likes@Franque Worren No he didn't, people overempathizing with narcissists is one of the most normal things in the world. That's one of the reasons why people get stuck in abusive relationships.
0 likesShe Snitched on her man .typical woman.
0 likes@seriall1337 she died.
0 likestommy stornes? thats brandon knight lol
0 likesWhat I don't understand is how u in a whole nother city trying to regulate the volume of someone music. The nerve of this dude. That's that white privilege that Karen mentality smmfh. I know I can't go to a biker bar and say your Harley is too loud
0 likesThere were no other thugs bar him.
0 likesThe audacity of this POS. I hope he rots in jail.
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😂👍
1 likeHow is he going to change and add stuff in court lol. Stoopid
0 likes14:05 ( Timestamp for Myself )
0 likesIt’s the 🐊 for me
0 likesSo it wasn’t a STICK up all a long?
0 likesHe could never wrap his brain around the fact that he was the only "thug" in that situation.
297 likesWatching this again it's crazy that if he had called a lawyer before the first interview I think he might have gotten away with this!
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There was a massive amount of evidence against him. Did you even watch the whole video?
0 likes@Herbert West of course. And I agree completely, the evidence is overwhelming, but people can wiggle out of even the tightest of situations with a decent legal team putting doubt in the mind of the jury.
2 likes@LasiSims Casey Anthony comes to mind
1 likeLiar liar pants on fire
0 likesNo tears, mate
0 likesThis guy gets me sick!
0 likesIt really upsets me that he killed an only child :( that family must have felt pain beyond words, I can’t even imagine
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Yes. In addition to ALL of the sons and daughters lost to violent crime.
1 likeNo Jordan had a brother who died before he was born
0 likesOlivia I completely agree. ❤️
0 likesWhile it is devastating for any parents to lose any of their children, it's beyond devastating for those of us who were only blessed with one child.
If/when we lose them, there are none left to hug, to comfort, to love, to cry with, and to go forwards in life with. Our everything is buried in the ground with that one child.
I only have one child, a son, and I thank God every day for him. 💖
I feel deeply for these parents. 😔💜
@Jake Yates oh wow, that's so sad 😔, double the pain for these parents. ❤️
0 likesI've seen multiple cases about a white man shooting and killing a black person in a insedence exactly like this. No one mentioned anything about the race of the kids. I feel as if he felt disrespected by these kids and there "thug music" and then they take 0 to 100. Then they play it like these kids were a threat to him and were going to shoot him with a shot gun? Absolutely disgusting.
1 likeIronically he had a nigga moment
2 likesif you call his fiance a "snitch" "snake" or anything of the sort for speaking the truth in a room where it is a felony to do otherwise, you're not only delusional but a criminal enabler yourself. Even in this video Dunn was manipulative towards her- just imagine how abusive he was at home. would you stick up for a manipulative psychopath, or would you send him out of your life for good? what pathetic "people" you are. Feel ashamed.
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Who said that
0 likes@Mimi Do If you look at any comments talking about her speaking against her husband, there are people actually calling her an unloyal snitch and a bad partner.
1 like@zoomies Oh wow. I only saw top comments and the newest ones but didn't find anyone calling her that, though I wasn't looking too hard. That's gross to do that :( she deserves praise, love, and reassurance. She helped bring justice for a family that lost their child. I can't believe anyone would shame her. Disgusting
2 likes@Mimi Do absolutely, so many weirdos were saying the nastiest things under replies and stuff, i felt like i had to say something myself. they were being 100% serious too :[
2 likes@zoomies it's great on you to speak out!!! ^~^ Respect to you, and have a beautiful day
2 likesGood idea to to turn down tunes at watering hole !
0 likesHelp help me rhonda!!!!!
0 likesWhy does he sound like Matpat?
0 likesThe fact people don’t get that “thug” music is what racist people say to validate their hate towards a group
0 likesSad as hell. Poor kid
0 likesDude thought it was the 1950s and he’d just walk away no questions asked.
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I noticed this as well. He genuinely believed he’d be going home and everything would go back to normal. Not a care that a kid died or a mother was devastated for losing her son to a racist POS.
93 likesNow it just happens the other way and racists just ignore it
5 likes@GOD'S FORSAKEN ONE Race doesn't play into it as much. It usually depends on whether they are rich/have rich connections who can cover it up
2 likes@Koba Not that long ago you could kill a black dude and have nothing happen to you, heck cops still do it
31 likes@Koba race doesn't play in to it? You're delusional
25 likes@Sir. Grumpy Pawson Read the context first.
0 likes@Sir. Grumpy Pawson Proof of this? The stats show cops kill more white people per 10k people arrested of each race
1 like@GOD'S FORSAKEN ONE funny how your stats conveniently exclude % of population, almost like you're reaching or something, weird
11 likes@GOD'S FORSAKEN ONE stay mad :)
3 likes@BUTTT CANDY lol who is mad soyboy?
0 likes@GOD'S FORSAKEN ONE what were those 14 words again?
1 like@lil paw I'm sure you can find them
0 likes@GOD'S FORSAKEN ONE why don't you just tell us? are they bad or something?
0 likes@GOD'S FORSAKEN ONE “now it just happens the other way around and the racists ignore it “, You’re seething. :)
2 likes@BUTTT CANDY not seething, just pointing out facts. Are you happy that it happens?
0 likes@GOD'S FORSAKEN ONE I’m just entertained when people get upset, like in your first comment.
2 likes@BUTTT CANDY You must have social issues if you think that comment meant i was upset.
0 likes@Sir. Grumpy Pawson He gives you a per capita adjusted statistic and you accuse him of not correcting for % of population. We must almost be reaching negative IQ here.
1 like@GOD'S FORSAKEN ONE sure, whatever helps you cope.
1 like@BUTTT CANDY doesn't seem like its me trying to cope here
0 likes@GOD'S FORSAKEN ONE lol white ppl are 70% of the US population ofc there’s more
0 likesThank God that stuff doesn't happen anymore.
0 likes@Donnagelina Only happens of you're white now
0 likes@GOD'S FORSAKEN ONE Good thing we have people like Biden in office now, many more racists will be put behind bars.🙏🏾
0 likes@BUTTT CANDY lol I'm not American but good luck with that
0 likesif he was a cop, he wouldve
0 likes@GOD'S FORSAKEN ONE oh...
0 likes@XXAsDesire Falls Lol no idea at all
0 likes@Sir. Grumpy Pawson Bingo. And also details of said study like who they studied. Who did the study. How large of a sample group. A lot.
0 likesI personally hate when people blair their music as well. But I’m not gonna start shooting at them. Some people are just jerks. Same with the morons that decide to modify their exhaust so it’s extremely loud.
1 likerot in jail michael
0 likesyoutube leave JCS alone!!
0 likesWhy did he not play his white privilege? This was clearly a situation where he should have used his White heritage.
0 likes“I didn’t know I was being charged with murder. That sucks”. Understatement of the century 🤪
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Stolen comment.
2 likes@makina muerte I hope he returns it, verry important stuff.. good thing you caught him reaaallly important.
29 likes😂😂😂😂...baaahahhaha
0 likes"I just willingly threw the rest of my life away. That sucks."
19 likes"oh man what a bummer"
4 likes@48:12
1 likeReminds me of the guy that was kidnapped and tortured by a cartel, and he kept saying "well at that point I was irritated". 😂
12 likes@suprcrzy lmao do you have a link for that
2 likesShoulda given him a 🏅
0 likes@skitz241 - "Larry Pollock - Fresh out interview"
0 likesI posted the link yesterday, but youtube is shadow banning links for some reason. Its a crazy video!
That's how I got here lol
0 likes"Black kids were playing the shooty bang music. I had to defend myself."
0 likes45:58 glove department???
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Department of homeland gloves
1 likeDepartment of justice
1 likeAll this over loud music
2 likesThere’s exactly 13 comments on each video of this channel, wth?
0 likesDude clearly never saw Falling Down (1993)
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Or at least never saw the end. He really never thought he was the bad guy in all of this?
2 likesHis wife seems like the nicest lady in the world how unfortunate for her
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She’s a nurse, I wonder if she’s still working in that profession. Thinking of her now.
94 likesfiancée
6 likesA lot of nice ladies end up with monsters. Because they take it :(
72 likes@Becca Young really?!
3 likes@Anna McCormick Most killers are manipulators too so in that sense it would make sense. Nice people also make great character judgements.
43 likesYeah poor girl probably felt so scared/ bad to testify against him. Ik I would feel uncomfortable even if I knew he was guilty
25 likesShe dodged a bullet. I would love to know who broke up with who, well atleast how the conversation went, and if Rhonda is married and happy. I hope she is.
41 likesIt is thing that narcissists, look for empaths as partners and vice versa. I'm glad she had a commitment to the truth, it really made all the difference.
36 likesAccomplice*
1 likeYou saw the pain in her eyes when she testified in court, brave as hell not to protect the person she loved and absolutely the right thing to do even though it probably hurt like hell knowing what he did. :(
24 likes@Becca Young sadly we accept the love we think we deserve...some don't think they deserve a good love... Usually due to childhood trauma within that category.
8 likesAnd heavily abused.
0 likes@Sabrina B How is she an accomplice? She's the one who wanted to call the police, and gave them all he information they needed. She testified against him.
11 likesWhy would she want to help him murder some kids?
You know she must be a nice lady because technically she didn't have to testify with complete honesty.
7 likesFiancé*
0 likesShe's just acting up cuz she doesn't wana go to jail. She knew the dude shot rounds and still went to bed with him, saw the news THE NEXT DAY and told him "we need to go home". Yeah, she tried to avoid it and in the end just snitched probably in return for immunity.
4 likes@Jay Rollo Spot on.
3 likesACTUALLY FORTUNATE... SHE GOT AWAY FROM THAT ABUSIVE BULLY! HES A TERRIBLE MAN!
1 likeShe didnt call the cops
0 likes@RealTalk This was her fiance and she didn't know anyone had been killed until the next morning. She was inside the store when it happened.
2 likes@Event Horizon That's incorrect. She never married him. She did not observe the killing and she had no knowledge he had murdered someone. She testified against him with the truth.
2 likes@Winter Came doesn't matter she knew he shot on people
0 likes@Becca Young or nice ladies like demons
0 likesHer fiancee did not ask her why he is not calling police after shooting multiple times at a car.
0 likes@MR Ian Firth Lmao I know it’s fun to play internet psychiatrist but why the fuck would you not want an empathetic partner?
1 likeshes my wife now
0 likes@MR Ian Firth the had police interviews could not change them for the court
0 likes@Stefan Sipola they also had her police interview which she could not deviate from or she would get in trouble in court
1 like@Fallen king WHAT?!?!!??!!?
0 likesProbably not a coincidence, narcissists often attract neurotics.
0 likesNo one got out to go toward him. He s also contradicting himself. Are they kids are men?
0 likesSo many lives destroyed. Pathetic. None of it would have taken place if he did not have a weapon.
0 likesDude why did you stop uploading these are good stuffs want more
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It’s sad to know really informative videos on criminal psychology hope things will change 🤞
1 likeThis guys like adult clyde from south park
0 likesImagine killing a teen, regardless of the initial confrontation, and still finding yourself the victim and yet the victor. That conversation alone speaks volumes.
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I know! And Rhonda has told him to shut his trap since obviously these calls are monitored.
12 likesYes! Even if he wanted to claim victimhood, he could have at least said “i know i fucked up, but i’m a victim too!”. Instead, he describes himself as a “victor”. Victory over what? Wrongfully killing a kid is “winning”, now?
22 likeshonesty though I can understand his frustration, when you live near that "culture" it doesn't take much to put you over the edge sometimes. You can never relax
2 likes@Enlightened Doggo did we watch the same video? Could’ve sworn the interrogator said there was nothing in the car that could’ve possibly resembled a weapon. It was his story and his story was found to be straight bullshit in court.
3 likes@Enlightened Doggo I get what you’re saying, you’re right it does matter.
1 likeWell a teen dying isn't always automatically a tragedy. They can murder as well. In this case it clearly is q tragedy though
2 likes@Toefoo100 so now you know how everybody esle in the world feels about white Americans. Like get over yourselves everything your people touch does not turn to gold.
9 likesRacism.
0 likesI see what you are saying.. but I completely disagree with the statement "regardless of the initial confrontation".
0 likes@Toefoo100 There is no understanding for anyone who will get frustrated to the point of wanting to murder unarmed teens. And not to mention they were strangers who he’d probably never come into contact with again if had self control and common sense. Seek help
5 likesWhy is Rhonda censored in the interrogation part? We know who this is..
0 likesDunn is a horrible liar. I hope he enjoys prison.
1 likeWhy were they drink driving after wedding
1 likeprison mike is real doe
0 likesDunn: "It could've been... just a stick."
1808 likesInvestigator: "Could it have been... your imagination?"
Man, that investigator is GOLD.
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When ?
6 likes@Enrick Nemesis 42:05
7 likesAgreed. His body language is on point the whole way through too.
14 likesHonestly both investigators were great
5 likesI’m watching it now and i completely like come on man
2 likes"From the door?" fucking gold
2 likesHe has dr phill energy
0 likesHopefully this POS doesn’t have anymore victims from his past…
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Given his capacity for cover up, I seriously doubt it.
0 likesWhy is he serving his time in Oregon instead of Florida?
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Since it was a high profile case and racially driven
0 likes4:32 aww=[
0 likesWhat an incredible incident...
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Either that or another banal day in batshit America?
0 likesNow that’s a real nurse. She actually cares for what’s right and not trying to cover up for her chubby racist husband. She deserves the best
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@Zylo this is true!!!!
1 likeYou can only speak for yourself. Saying - 99% of US white people think just like me! - is silly. There are better factors to reinforce your argument. Race is not one.
75 likes@vSpade that was my thought exactly. How dumb of a statement when you think you speak for most people in a certain group.
23 likesYou didn’t gotta mention chubby..
8 likes@Zylo i feel like 99% number is completely off. Not saying all white people but still a good majority. Especially as someone who lives in the south I can say that number is wrong.
16 likes@Zylo It's not pleasant to think about, but suggesting 99% of white people are not racist is just untrue. I'm white and I know it, and the brown people who have to deal with the racism in this country sure as hell know it. I hope we work hard to move closer to that number, but honestly I'd be shocked if we get there in my lifetime, or ever.
28 likes@Zylo 99%? Is that backed by actual data?
4 likesI dont see why you specify his weight?
3 likesImagine thinking it's wrong to body shame a racist murderer.
9 likes@Kevin Ruiz It’s a good majority for sure, but I honestly do believe a double-digit number have somewhat racist views, whether they’re aware of it or not. It’s a massive minority of those who are consciously, actively hateful I’d say though.
1 like@vrey shaming him for his body type shames not only him, but also everyone with that body type, even the good people. You're probably among those who advocate for body positivity then shame guys with small penises. Selective body shaming is still body shaming smh
3 likesIt´s not because he killed a black guy, that he´s racist...
0 likes@Fresh He pretty obviously is, though.
2 likes@Fresh referring to young, INNOCENT, never been in trouble black teens as thugs makes him seem pretty racist to anyone with a brain.
4 likes@Fresh He didn’t kill a black guy simply because of racism, but it very obviously played into his “fear.”
2 likes@vrey i´ve been called a thug by elderly people and i´m a white guy who loves rap music... your point being?
2 likesFiancé! Don't any of you read?
0 likes@Jake Yates Close enough
0 likes@Jake Yates wtf does that matter
0 likes@Kevin Ruiz She couldn't testify against him if they were married. That is the fuck that matters!
1 like@Zylo given who was previously in office as president, this statement is not only not true, it's down right ridiculous.
0 likesI noticed that too. She is genuinely a good soul who doesn’t see color or even agreed with him on hating rap music she simply just said “I know” in a way where it’s more annoying that he’s that hatful towards something so mundane than the music. i think she got stuck with this asshole and is too nice to just leave him.
1 like@vSpade bro all i think he was trying to say is don’t let this person make you believe we are all like this!
0 likesDoubt it. She did not turn him in and if they never got caught she probably never would have and he would have gotten away with it.
0 likesHis “fairly expensive”b and b is $169 per night😂😂😂
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Aye alright Mr. Moneybags
0 likesI know there is A LOT of subject here with this one. Reading the comments, a lot of topic is about the gal. And I agree, she seems like a sweet person and it sucks for her to be involved w this douche and this situation he created, BUT, don't lose sight of the real victim here. A 17 yr old kid was shot multiple times and suffered to his death in front of his friends. Maybe keep a pic of Jordan up on the corner of the screen or something to remind US as viewers to rmbr and be REMINDED whilst we are watching.
3 likesLove these videos!
They should play that same rap track in his cell 23 hours a day.
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Why not 24 hours lol
2 likesHe looks like chandler from friends
0 likesThe depressed look he has on his face when the Detective says "The kid he has no track record. The two boys with him have no track records," that's priceless
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Timestamp?
3 likes36:30
22 likesI mean, it did have a price. : (
9 likes@RedTukeGuy what'll you mean by it did have a price?
0 likes@Eugene Caldwell the death
19 likes@Eugene Caldwell a person's life.
8 likesLol now they have no future record
5 likes@Suzy Rottencrotch usually I have an appreciation for dark edgy internet humor, but this just hit wrong.
29 likes@Suzy Rottencrotch Shouldn't you be begging for attention on Twitter or making jokes about 9/11 somewhere else?
17 likes@Suzy Rottencrotch how could you have no empathy?
3 likesthat annoyed me, regardless if he did or didn't you shouldn't be shooting at people.
3 likes@Gregor Heisenhorn don't think so he is too old and not attractive for that
0 likesLove the pfp
0 likesIt’s pretty funny that he is a racist and a black guy is one of the guys interrogating him.
2 likesRacially driven
1 likeRhonda is a queen amongst women.
1 likeWhat’s a glove department?
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the thing that is in the front passenger seat where you often put car paper or car manual in.
2 likes@Ne0n No that's a glove COMPARTMENT. A glove department is where the cops store bloody gloves before they are moved to courtrooms for suspect fittings ...
0 likesI don't even understand how people find it so easy to actually kill someone, for no reason like this, it's insane.
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They're insane too. Like for real. Watch this channels video about the parkland shooter. If you don't here's the tldr. In that video this channels narrator shows a different interrogation reel from a case in OK and then the parkland one. The narrator shows what real insanity and faked insanity is. I found it interesting. I recomend the watch/listen. Or Maybe you've watched already idk.
19 likes@Hugh Mungas That's actually the first video I watched from this channel, it is absolutely fascinating. I feel a bit bad for the guy that really was mentally ill, but for those who are not and have absolutely no excuse, it is just ridiculous. I can't imagine ever doing such a thing, yet it comes so easily to some, even for teenagers.
13 likes@Hugh Mungas I've seen that video too, and I've gotta say, the man in this video does not appear insane compared to that display.
2 likesRACISM makes it easy to see ZERO value in OTHER human beings.
10 likes@Bryzerse its a wild thing actually taking someone’s life. Seeing the way people react differently is so interesting, it’s part of the reason this channels so dope
2 likeshungry for choas
0 likesIt’s a psychological trait that starts early in life or after a frontal lobe head injury, mental illness, abuse during early upbringing, bad influences during adolescence gangs . May start with benign activities and thought but develops into a much pathological disease where very dark and destructive thoughts and actions towards at first animals then Escalade to people, from hurt with sexual actions to debilitating consequences on the victims, dismemberment, death and more.
0 likesNot every human is raised the same. If you're raised different from the norm or against the grain then you'll be different to what is "acceptable".
3 likesSome people will step on a lizard and walk about their day without a though....some a cat... Some other humans
I think the problem was, he was wasted
0 likesMy thoughs;
0 likes1. Alcohol numbs your senses and rational thought process.
2. Killing is a lot easier then most people think, what comes after (guilt, flashbacks, nightmares etc.) is hard to deal with.
2.5. Adrenaline is hard to calm down and only escalates any tension that might have been there.
3. And guns take away a lot of the fear of taking away a life. With for example knives or swords, you actively use a lot of energy and time to take a life. You have more time to possibly think about the situation, other options etc. Firearms are a lot simpler, you pull the trigger. It's one of the reasons why firearms changed the military in history (other main reason being ease of use).
To be clear, I don't condone this man's actions. Nor is this comment about gun control etc. This is just give a couple of reasons why I think,(some) humans seem to be able to kill easly.
The Fight is constant...................
0 likespeople like michael dunn only eat gas station nachos for dinner
0 likesDetective: “I can’t shoot someone because I ‘think’ they have a weapon”
0 likesStreet cops: 😈
STOP MESSING WITH THIS CHANNEL I NEED THIS IN THE BACKGROUND TO SLEEP
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Same!
2 likesHe has not showed one shred of remorse, he literally didn’t say anything about feeling guilt about killing a child, sick
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@Dscuff Man 17 is a child
82 likes@Dscuff Man Your opinion might differ, but in the eyes of the law a 17 year old is classified as a child.
98 likes@Dscuff Man he’s a minor
47 likesHe even called himself a victim like HUH
55 likes@Dscuff Man regardless, no shred of remorse for killing him, regardless of age
18 likes@Dscuff Man the witnesses lol . Did you even watch the video?
30 likes@Dscuff Man did you watch the video?
17 likes@Dscuff Man there are more situations where nothing happens. Teens playing loud music is not new... park somewhere else
20 likesThis guy defended himself in my opinion if the teenager did threaten the mans life then proceeded to step out of the car or attempt to the guy that to the shot deserves some credit and there was also 3-4 of them in the car
6 likesLike the mans not gonna kills some kids for not turning down music at a gas station
1 likeI can think of a variety of descriptors, but “child” isn’t one of them.
5 likesmeh, i woudlnt either
1 like@Amadeus Reignald alright edgelord
6 likes@Amadeus Reignald look at this cool guy over here
6 likes@Dscuff Man cry troll!
3 likes@Dscuff Man cry troll
5 likesyeah he's playing the victim card
0 likes@Jack Scott if it was in self defense, he wouldn't have continued shooting at them as they were trying to leave. And yeah, he apparently did kill someone over some stupid music. Jesus, we have people killing others over dumb shit all the time, like pop, a CD, a breakup, etc. So honestly I'm not even surprised someone would kill over music being too loud.
11 likesI really want to hear what this @DscuffMan guy said lol
4 likes@Amadeus Reignald take off Max from your profile pic, edgelord
0 likes@Adrian J🇺🇦 he might have been in a state of shock tunnel vision etc multiple reason why he would have kept shooting till they left completely
1 likeHe wants to play victim, saving his own ass
1 likeHis head is probably 100% focused on his own survival... as he comes across as one of those, first me and then me, and if anything is left, thats for me as well. dudes.
0 likesThe only argument I could take of a 17 year old boy not being a child it will be if that boy have recieve at least six months of military training, which as far as I know doesn't fit with the victim in this case.
0 likes@Ben Ghazi they are classed as a child in the eyes of the law but in some criminal cases can be tried as an adult. However, as a victim like the kid was here that wouldn't happen, so as a result the law sees him as a child.
0 likes@rachel friedman, just about as sick as the cattle/infant cattle that are slaughtered for the food we all eat, right? Far as I'm concerned, humans deserve what they give.
4 likes@Jack Scott if u go into a state of shock over teens playing music u don’t like and can’t control yourself so you kill them, then he should be locked up
1 likeI mean calling him a child isn't 'technically' wrong but it does feel a little disingenuous.
0 likes@rachel friedman can I shoot my shot, here, on the comment section of an investigative murder YT channel?
1 like@Jack Scott but they didn't threaten his life or step out of the car. there's no reason he should have shot them. period. i still find it ridiculous that that's even possible to do something like this in America because of the stupid gun laws. it's sick.
2 likes@Alexandra Eagle how do u know they didn’t threaten him none of us do it’s his word against there’s
1 like@Taliban223 Ms like u do, u mean
0 likes@Jack Scott yes,,plus had had a few drinks
0 likes@Evy Courtney so that just incriminateds him ???
0 likes@Jack Scott right
0 likes@Jack Scott 1st he was clearly lying 2nd if he was defending himself he wouldn’t of felt the need to lie 3rd he did a second round of guns 4th he showed no remorse for murdering someone
0 likes@Dennis Sparks he was literally a child lol
0 likes@Jack Scott no they left and he STOPED SHOOTING then Started shooting AGAIN
0 likes@WyomingPTT 17 isn’t a close to full grown man
0 likesYou guys have to remember the court date is much later than the event so they may look older . but mainly he fired so many shots at people that didn't even threaten him, with no remorse he pretty much made the whole situation happen himself he's no victim.
0 likes@Evy Courtney shorty u make no sense
0 likes@Jack Scott yes he was provoked let’s entertain your idea, if he was so provoked why not call the cops after 1 round of shots? If he was provoked why would he lie? If he was provoked why there no remorse after finding out the kid in the car was completely innocent?
0 likes@MessedUp Pika because everyone who gets into those situations are not thinking properly are they there thoughts are everywhere split second to react he’s no a professional shooter or anything like that he probably knew he hit the kid and got really scared by it that’s why he didn’t call cops and left the sene idk just my opinion
0 likes@Wardy T not sure exactly where you are going with this? I'm a vegan, killing animals is wrong, but what happened here is also wrong.
0 likes"My kill, done"
0 likesI hate when people play loud music and act stupid but my God man when is it ever ok to just unload a gun on a bunch of kids???? This is absolutely incredible and sickening! Just ignore them and everyone will be ok
1 likeHe can’t even fake pretending to be in fear smh
0 likesNo, no , no , no , no , no , no …. Cut to him in oranges ! Classic !
0 likes“I’m the victor...”
2845 likesThis guy sees killing a 17 year old boy as a victory. I hope he rots in jail.
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victory royale
87 likesHe's gonna get his shit kicked in jail forsure
54 likes@Brian Number one?
10 likes@Wazoski Slark ye fortnite we bout to get down
13 likesHes racist as hell too
35 likesHe said victim
4 likes@Whatsit Tooya he said "I was the victor... I was the victor, and the victim".
21 likesTrue man
0 likes@Nick Appler 10 kills on the board right now
4 likes@Nick Appler fortnite? well ok lets build shower around him and hand him a soap, its only 99 other then him 😁
1 like@Whatsit Tooya 2:17 so the sentence was “I’m the victim but I was the victim too.” ?
3 likes@J. holy woooooow
0 likes@Nick Appler GET DOWN!
2 likesFunny your name is Victoria
1 like“I’m a victim” you killed an innocent minor rot it hell and jail
6 likes@♡Leslie M☆ yep
0 likes@Chinese Name your making light out of murder?
5 likes@Chinese Name your what’s wrong with this country mate
8 likes@Chinese Name I doubt that they threatened him he felt threatened because oh their race he’s racist hun sorry to tell you and even if he wasn’t it doesn’t justify what he did
10 likes@Chinese Name 35:58
1 like@drysty no I
2 likesOh he will don’t worry
0 likesIf those “kids” would have learnt to respect people and to don’t talk shit as if they were kings this would have never happened. How can you possibly stay calm after some black dude say they’ll kill you. I mean, If a shotgun was actually there, trust me that it would be so easy to hide it somewhere to don’t get in trouble. Kids with these attitudes are just frighting and unpredictable
1 likeI think he said victim
0 likes@Francesco Ferro whats frightening about some kids talking back to you in a gas station parking lot that you’re going to be in for 4 minutes? Micheal Dunn wasn’t scared when he said “No you’re not gonna talk to me that way.” He wasn’t scared when his supposed military training kicks in and his first instinct is to start start shooting. He wasn’t scared when he got out of the car to continue to shoot at them even though he said he just saw a gun. No rational grown man would’ve done what he did and trying to say the kids were at fault for this is ridiculous.
6 likesthat line struck me as really strange, and showed it was not just a result of intoxication
0 likesSadly, the AB probably accepted him with open arms.
0 likes@♡Leslie M☆ being racist is okay its normal
0 likesself preservation is a helluva physiological response- easy to judge a man who knows his life is in danger of falling into the abyss, but truth is you would probably do something similar
0 likesIm pretty sure the "boys" were not innocent too, this guy does not looksliek a murder! I think he is in jail because he is white! yes, thats what i think...
1 like@Jussy 12 not innocent in what respect? they arent guilty of anything but engaging in a particular set of cultural values that didnt rub this old man the right way.... that isnt an offense that our justice system has anything to say about. he is in jail because he showed a complete disregard of human life by murdering someone in cold blood when his life was in no way in danger. the thing we may never know is if he truly felt as if his life was in danger or not. but in either case he is a danger to society and should definitely be incarcerated.
0 likessome 17 years old kid are capable of a lot of harm, just saying
0 likes@Jussy 12 I hope you are joking
0 likes@FRooP DooP prison is a luxurious life compared to being dead you don’t suffer in prison, boredom isn’t suffering
0 likes@Awesome O 🤦♂️🤦♂️
0 likes@Awesome O dont really have much to say besides, if you really believe a white person saying thug music or calling someone a thug isn't blatant that he's talking about black people your delusional.
0 likes@J3RX Eruption depends who you are
1 likeGun range Lawyer(prob retired cop or something): If you ever catch yourself shooting unarmed black teens indiscriminately, just say constantly “you are in fear of your life, to the cops and they will let you go!”
2 likesMichael Dunn: 🤔
Thank God his fiance spoke up. Because he white we know he was not going to jail with out her testimony
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0 likesPoor woman
0 likesIt would not be hard to get rid of a gun.
0 likesPeople who share his logic believe that being scared is an excuse to kill. He didnt even act like it was unfortunate. He thought he did his duty by shooting at some slightly confrontational kids.
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Even being threatened with death is still no reason to kill as he wrongly believes. As illegal as threats may be, they are just words. Without signs of weapons or life threatening manuevers you cannot use deadly force.
49 likesLike another guy killed a man just because he was shoved..thats insane!! Also was in Florida
11 likes@Michelle Cox don't worry. Justice usually comes to people like that. If the court fails to bring justice, someone like that is likely to bring justice upon themselves by one day making the wrong move against the wrong people. What goes around comes around.
2 likes@aw heck
6 likesIt was also at little store parking lot..over a handicap parking space white guy killed a young black male right in front of his children..
Beyond horrible!!!.. I live in Florida, what is wrong with these folks?😣
He was the confrontational one by addressing a innocent group of teens that were doing nothing. He acted like a dam thug and killed a 17yr old with no remorse.
10 likesI know he’s an adult! They were teenagers! And he said after being told someone was killed he said
7 likes“I hope it was the guy that pulled the weapons “ he said he HOPED
What a disgusting human
This is why guns shouldn't be legal for everyone to have in the US. Imagine the number of crazy people like him who own a gun and are just waiting for an excuse to use it.
5 likes@Redeemed so I gusss hate speech is just words so if people say kill black people that’s fine it’s just words
0 likeshe wasn’t scared. he didn’t like them. Racism
3 likesCops do that all the time honestly. And they get away with it
0 likesSlightly confrontational ?! The kids didn’t walk up to him/ or drive up to him and confront the killer! Jordan responded to some one CONFRONTING him! 🙄 the killer is the confrontational one! Period!
2 likes@Kiyah Kali 🍑 Yeah. He parked next to them.
0 likesI don’t buy that he was afraid. I think he just has a fatal case of entitlement.
0 likesThe kids weren’t even confrontational. Dunn was confrontational when he initiated the interaction them first.
0 likes@Dave He chose to park next to them. He had no right to even ask them to turn their music down when he could've just went into the store with his fiance.
1 likePeople like him would never say anything, but he had a gun so now he is mr brave.
0 likesYet it was Dunn who caused the confrontation in the first place. Anyone who goes around telling people what to do without any legal or moral authority to do so, will find himself in many slightly confrontational situations.
0 likes@Sammy Long Amen! You park your car next to a group of people who were present in the area first, you have no right to tell or even ask them to do anything.
1 likeCan we just take a moment to discuss how bizarre and invasive it is to ask someone else to turn their music down. The music they chose to play inside their own car in their own space. That is a Karen 5000 move
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Dont agree
0 likesI just wanna know what song they were bumping.
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Beef by Lil Reese
2 likesAnd the price for the most annoying voice goes to....
0 likesIn prison shew he will be in trouble then.
0 likesAll this could've been avoided with three words. "Just ignore it." It's not like it was a neighbor doing this on a daily basis. It would've been done in 5 minutes and that moron could've gone to his precious, expensive bed and breakfast.
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Yeah and it’s not like ur not allowed to play music from ur radio, they were just having fun
61 likesi just can't get over the fact that he parked right next to them when they already played music that he hates. there is just no logical reason to do that.
41 likesAbsolutely, noting that this guy pulled up next to the kids car that was ALREADY playing loud music. If he hates the music so much, drive on my man. But no, feels like he targeted them and if it wasn't these young black males on that day, it would have been some another black man, another day. Stand your ground laws make killing easy for evil people like this guy.
28 likesI just made comment then saw your comment lol. Yes absolutely agree. Targeted them. This was premeditated murder in my opinion.
8 likes@Gachabrain Not saying the dude isn't racist but shit goes a lot deeper than that with this guy. He's a narcissist and a psychopath/sociopath. I'm actually surprised it took the guy this long to get into trouble given his complete lack of empathy, lack of self awareness and in general cold demeanor. While I haven't looked up the background of the guy I'm assuming the fact he was a software engineer means he kept out of trouble prior to this incident. This entire case is really bizarre.
12 likesFairly expensive🧐🤷♂️
0 likesIt's not always that simple, as I ran into a similar situation, but the thugs were darn well acting like they were gonna jump me. I didn't have a weapon, so I ended up getting into a fight with the one who was calling me out. I took care of the guy in quick form, as I was lucky to have had advanced tactics in the military. I was lucky that the other guys didn't jump me, but they kept it a fair fight. These guys were still thugs and they told me that they went out looking for a fight. My point is that people have the right to travel their days without others, blasting thumping music or interfering, with any one else minding their own business. I don't condone what this man did, but I also don't condone a bunch of young guys out looking for the thug life. They may just find it...
2 likesRight? Also, I bet he always talks about how much freedom means to him, yet he can't take someone else enjoying a little loud music.
3 likes@Wilzy SO basically he's worst than a racist?
1 like@DAJ Dools This is anecdotal and completely different from the story, and sounds like bullshit. Were you in a car? Where was this in the first place, their house? An alley? A place they actively hang out? Your house? Why would they tell you they were actively looking for a fight and when did they? Was this while you were fighting them? Further more if they were fighting fairly, why would they jump you in the first place? If they wanted a fight that was equal they can spar with each other.
2 likesFurther more there's no actual confirmation that these teenagers were thugs either, just that the murderer called them thugs to justify himself in killing/openly attacking a minor over music. He doesn't even specify what music is 'thug' musc- rap? jazz? Pop? How does he know thugs - defined as criminals - listen to these types of music? How is listening to music thug-like at all when there's no criminal correlation? Unless you mean 'people have the right to blast music' in which case your phrasing is shit and what the fuck is 'I also don't condone a bunch of young guys out looking for the thug life. They may just find it...' supposed to mean?
This adult man killed a fucking boy over, allegedly, not liking their fucking music. You don't condone it so you know this is bullshit.
I'd also like to point out that people have the right to play music where they want to, and if someone doesn't like that music it is then contradictory behaviour to park directly next to them unless an attack like this was pre-meditated.
@DAJ Dools wtf are u talking bout nun of them said they was thugs nor said they wanted a fight they have a right to music if u don’t like it move away or ignore
3 likes@Luis Crawford-rosado lol @DAJ Dools was just looking for an excuse to tell everyone the time he fought a black dude and won or some shit idk
2 likesThese old always poking their nose and demanding things ... just ignore it
0 likes@Gachabrain My guess is no he's not a racist, he may not like when people listen thug music loudly as it indicates that they themselves might be thugs. He had a big ego to tell them to turn it down but they probably had an even bigger ego and shouted all kinds of threats/antagonism back at him, since that what thug music teaches. Dude lost his cool and was like "oh yeah, ill show these guys a real thug". Not that it was self defense but I really wouldn't be surprised based on the sht i've seen life if telling them to turn it down was enough to make them threaten him and try to start a fight.
0 likes@caramel at least 9/10 rap songs i hear are about thuggery (violence, drug deals, antagonising other rappers). I am also not saying they ARE thugs for sure, but I am saying there is a strong possibility they take on some of the characteristics of the music they listen to and as a result probably reacted very angrily when he told them to please turn down their annoying rap music. If it were Eminem i can understand but if not Eminem most rap songs are straight up annoying
0 likes@dragorn >'at least 9/10 rap songs i hear are about thuggery (violence, drug deals, antagonising other rappers).'
0 likesbro this anecdotal and even then most likely refers to the mainstream hip-hop. You even acknowledge another popular rapper that doesn't do this, meaning it's not 'thug music', it's an outlet for people to boast about how 'badass' they are.
>' I am also not saying they ARE thugs for sure, but I am saying there is a strong possibility they take on some of the characteristics of the music they listen to and as a result probably reacted very angrily when he told them to please turn down their annoying rap music.'
Cool but how so? in terms attitude? Again it's been established prior that these are teenagers and likely came to this music because they like it/act like it, not the other way around, and there are witnesses who claim otherwise. As in one guy got upset some guy was telling them to turn their music down [presumably because the driver/murderer actively parked next to them] and called him a cracker. This is displayed in the video. They're also not thugs either, again in the video a detective states these minors all have clean records, and given the context they likely like this music because teenagers are notoriously rebellious. I don't think you understand that criminals don't have a set standard of music and someone also liking that music wouldn't make them a criminal or even a suspect, because it's music. Something subjective.
The driver never states that it's rap music either, just that it's 'thug music' which is really bloody vague. It could refer to jazz, indie, hip-hop, hyperpop, vocaloid, etc, because again, criminals don't have a set taste of music. I understand that there are tons of people boasting about how hardcore they are in the rap genre but there are songs about kidnapping, murder, etc in other genres that're commonplace, for example 'we know where you sleep'.
Something being annoying is also subjective, no idea why you included this.
@dragorn also 'thug culture'? you realize that means 'criminal culture', right? Something that doesn't exist? Where are your sources for things like ' thugs always fight 5 against 1.'?
0 likesand 'fragile egos'? yes, no shit, teenagers are unstable emotionally charged little twits and this is an adult who knows that and actively went towards the thing he found annoying. It's stated in the video he parks directly next to their car and he really didn't act in self defense at all, please, watch the video.
@dragorn like how do you go from saying they could thugs to asserting they threatened someone over music? Mate these a teenagers. get a grip.
0 likesYou’re done.
0 likesAnother in Florida .......
2 likesGood shoot.
0 likesFunny I have never been attracted by music hes no victim in any sence of the word
0 likesMike: I really hate being alone and spending my life in jail.
1979 likesRhonda: Ya, well your mom is bringing you a book……
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33 likesRhonda is based
135 likes@Trent Tagestad Guys, this just shows why you don't get married. She'll throw you under the bus. And then a bunch of women on youtube will agree with her.
29 likeslol how were they even together still?! everything she said directly contradicted his story and helped the defense properly sentence him to life and he's a racist that killed someone in cold blood and they were both like yeah I love this person
38 likes@Jazza BigHits wait are you being serious? Her fiancé murdered a man? Is it truly unfair for her to be upset?
278 likes@Jazza BigHits trow him under the bus? The hell you want from her? Helping him on bleaching fingertips and burying bodies together?
239 likesHe's an angry man, Good for her to distance herself a bit from him.
21 likesIt'd be different if he knows what has done and wait for his lawyer. People can get angry and do stupid stuff. But apparently he wanted more bargain than he deserve, playing a smartarse card, and it came back to bite him in his arse...
@Jazza BigHits 'Oh no, a woman! I'm scared!'
73 likesJazza BigHits
@Trent Tagestad
0 likesTru say - fair enough bro
@Jazza BigHits That's called being smart and doing the right thing. He's a killer. A criminal. Its a crime to lie to the police during an investigation you know. Why should she suffer for his wrong doings? He shot someone because they were playing music too loud. That's annoying, but certainly not worth killing over. He threw himself under the bus.
44 likesIt's "In Cold Blood" by Truman Capote
1 likehahaha we all know what Mike was getting and and Rhonda was like "there was no way.."
0 likes@Jazza BigHits Have you considered getting some help? If it is a troll comment you made, then, well done, I suppose.
15 likes@Sigbjørn LOL
1 like@Jazza BigHits LOL
8 likes@Dr. Jay lmao
1 like@Sigbjørn lol ty
0 likes@Jazza BigHits Nope, incel is a personality type and there's nothing pointing to it applying to him :)
19 likes@Jazza BigHits omg dude all ur comments are about women, your mommy issues are showing :( get help soon 💚
31 likes@Jazza BigHits What are you, gay?
3 likesRhonda sounds like a wonderful and honoust person
7 likes😅 I dont think she knew what to say
0 likes@Jazza BigHits go take a shower, I can smell you from here
14 likes@Jazza BigHits Aren't you the one who's replying to almost every comment on this video about how bad women are?
16 likes@asskirk I assumed he was joking, so I laughed. Now after everyone's response, I'm not so sure.
7 likes@Alexis you can check his comments and see all of em are derogatory or hateful towards women in this channel, he's clearly just an incel, doesn't surprise me
14 likes@Jazza BigHits what, the wife is supposed to defend her husband who's a murderer?
7 likes@John Scally just look at his profile picture, of course he has issues with women.. and who can blame them really 😂😂😂
4 likes@Jazza BigHits my dude you comment on all these videos about the women......it doesn't look the best considering their arguments
6 likes@Ivanka Let’s not attack their looks here. It’s the personality that matters most.
3 likesI’m like what does a book have to do with what he said 😂😂😂
0 likes@LTown8365 Hope you enjoyed the chuckle dude
0 likes@Jazza BigHits Freud rolling in his grave rn…. Seek help 💕
6 likes@Thanya Cruz I thought you'd at least mention Oedipus lol
1 like@Jazza BigHits So you’re self aware about your mommy issues. Acceptance is the first step 💚 Good luck to u!!!
3 likes@Jazza BigHits I think your sarcasm went over a few heads here.
2 likesWouldn't happen in England as we don't have guns on hands. Give power to someone and they will do it
2 likes@Jazza BigHits the fact that you’re on the husbands side is disgusting like…wtf why? 😐
4 likes@Chris W Lol have a good day mate :)
0 likes@Jazza BigHits Who hurt you?
2 likes@Chris W well jokes are supposed to be funny so if you found that funny then this whole comment section now knows about your dry sense of humor
0 likes@Frants Sagmyr-Truksvik LOL
0 likes@Storms nice meme
0 likes@Jazza BigHits Now tell us about the Chads and Stacys.
1 like@NoSoup4Me I've actually never met anyone named Chad or Stacey. One of my great uncles is named Charles though. Why do you ask?
0 likes@lunatic Are you saying my mother isn't a woman? lol
0 likes@Jazza BigHits I hope not. Imagine having that kind of son! Ew
0 likes@Timothy Clayton Idk dude we "dont have guns in australia" but there is still occasional gun crime.
1 like@Nikki W • 69 years ago humour is kind of relative, some people like dark humour, some like slapstick, some like light comedy, etc
0 likes@lunatic You hope my mother isn't a woman? What are you even trying to say? LOL
0 likes@Jazza BigHits You do have a point that you'd expect someone to stick by you if you're engaged. If he had done this to actually save her life, then I'd have agreed with you but however he was just trigger happy and he was simply lying. He wasn't being truthful about his perspective so why would she stand up for him?
0 likesAlso, this is just my impression but she comes across to me as a very soft person who would easily crack under pressure when the police would ask her the same question multiple ways. Some wise person told her to be truthful from the beginning or else she would have ended up incriminating herself as an accomplice or even obstructing justice and she'd have gone to jail with him. And she would NOT last in jail.
@Jazza BigHits is this from personal experience of killing someone and your girl didnt want to help you go batshit crazy?
0 likes@bearycool Yes, currently typing this comment from my cell while not under 23 hr per day isolation.
0 likes@Jazza BigHits bro this ain't Breaking Bad
0 likesShe better bring another 3,000
0 likes@Jazza BigHits yea, you're right, I agree.
0 likesJust wait till some stranger shoots at you and drives away.
You'd want justice too.
@Jazza BigHits We’re gonna be talking about YOU on this channel one day LMAO!
0 likes@Jazza BigHits You gay?
0 likes@Jazza BigHits wow I wanted to hate on you for your view on this but the woman in this comment section got me on your side my respect for humanity declines by the second
0 likes@KID KUSH LOL, if it's any consolation, I commented on the teem emo killer thing saying the boyfriend threw his girlfriend (the killer) under the bus. That wasn't a JCS video though, I think it was Explore With Us
0 likes@poppyexists only for you daddy
0 likes@Hayden Anderson guys I REALLY think Jazza was joking
0 likesEdit well now he's just trolling ya'll in the comments but you walked right into that
@Jazza BigHits maybe don't shoot at teenagers?
0 likes😂😂😂😂😂😂
0 likesALL LIES. EVERY WORD.
0 likesThe US is a scary place. Tell me this is not an every day situation.
1 like5:03 Right. "The loud 'music." I don't like dealing with "loud music" around convenience stores, either. In fact, any time I see "loud music", I park as far away as possible. And I hide my iPhone, too.
0 likesThat guy was itching to shoot at them, the music was his excuse to start up the dispute, given that the teens are teens they won't give a fuck about what some old boomer thinks about the music and given the fact that they're young, chances are they're gonna be a Lil hot headed. Given that the teens weren't completely innocent either but end of the day. It's a public place they have the right to play their music, he chose to park next to them they decided not to go somewhere else for the wine and either way the guys were leaving soon anyways its not like he was forced to be there and listen against his will. He asked for the rush of getting to shoot at them and received the ramifications.
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It's highly unlikely that he was "itching" to shoot at them. He simply has a very short fuse and couldn't control himself. I'd say that this was likely a bullet dodged by his fiance, as she'd have found this out the hard way!
0 likesNow imagine if he had just ignored the music and waited 3 minutes for his fiance to come out of the store and they drove away and everyone went about their day. A young man would still be alive and he wouldn't be doing life in prison. She should consider herself lucky because in 10 years she would probably be buried in a crawl space and he would be practicing his 911 call.
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You cant fool me Mr. Morgan Freeman
28 likesNow imagine if some people were more considerate of others, and turned down their loud disturbing music when asked.
29 likesaDriveAway orrrr you can not shoot them, and accept that nobody is obligated to cater to your every little need. Either way works though ig.
98 likes@aDriveAway Or he could have just not parked next to them like Witness #7 did? The music was so loud they could hear it pulling into the lot... He was just itching for a thrill with his shiny gun.
74 likesNotMorganFreeman I’m terribly sad for the young seventeen year old that died, he was innocent & didn’t deserve this, bless him! Unfortunately it seems Americans carry guns like a European carry a bag or briefcase for work!
19 likesYeah imagine if everyone just bent over
2 likes@Maria Is that what aDriveAway said?? That someone needed to die?? No....that's NOT what they said. Learn to read please.
3 likesaDriveAway wow
4 likes@S. A. Exactly. They are both wrong, but shooting someone cause you don't wanna "back down"?
4 likesThe music was playing loud before he got there. And young people are known for playing loud music. You can't wait a few minutes?? He was looking for a reason to kill.
9 likes@Jonesy he said that replying to a comment saying the kid would've been alive if the guy just ignored the music. His comment just implies that if the volume wasn't loud the kid would be alive. Which might be true, yes, but that thought puts the blame on the kids instead of the fucked up guy who shot at them, for something very trivial compared to someone losing their life: loud music. It's just ridiculous in my opinion to watch a video about a serious crime, where a 17 year old lost his life in front of his friends, and only focus on, oh well they were disrespectful and played music loud.
10 likesMr Dunn did not believe that Black lives Matter at that time. Wonder how he feels now?
1 like@K. Suliman
0 likesDoesn't matter. That's NOT what he said. Making assumptions is unfair and stupid.
That was my first thought. How much time are you really going to be spending at a gas station convenience store? Just get in, buy your shit, and get out of there. The truth is, no doubt, that he was looking for trouble. just like the witness said, he didn’t park in that spot because he heard the loud music and didn’t want to deal with it. Dunn parked there because he was looking for trouble.
6 likes@Jonesy he's making a mockery of the situation so it is the same thing ..how bout you read in between the lines
3 likesCody Williams 😁🤣😂
0 likesVictim blaming 101!
2 likesAmanda Charlebois that’s what I’m saying
1 likeJaryn Covell and like the detectives said.. if he was so convinced they were gonna shoot him, why step out of the vehicle? Your only sense of protection. You have a handgun and you think somebody has a big ass shot gun so your rational response is to get out of the only thing shielding you and essentially protecting your life and shoot? Then when they’re already leaving he shot at the back of the vehicle. He was just trigger happy. By the time they were speeding from the parking lot it shows they’re scared and there should’ve been no perceived threat at least from the red vehicle anymore.
2 likes@Jaryn Covell So ur choosing to believe the murderers side? Everyone in that parking lot said that there were no threats on the mans life. Also ur saying someone killing someone else for saying "fuck that bitch" and turning up music is not cold blooded and without feeling?
1 likeNow imagine if the Thugs were respectful and turned down the music then they would still be alive!
3 likesJust think if thugs didnt play their music loud, disturbing other normal people. Then this never would have happened. Hope the song was worth it
3 likes@cxmbosama It bothers my ears. I dont like my ears to hurt. Hurt my ears, I hurt back :)
1 like@S. A. Is the word "teen" supposed to trigger my empathy lever???
2 likes@K. Suliman correct, blame the teens.
2 likesOr maybe imagine guns were illegal??????
1 likeJaryn Covell you typed all that and you still sound unintelligent. Try using bigger words maybe that’ll help.
1 likeHe’s a wife killer now?
2 likes@Callie Soon Imagine murder being illegal. Then no one would ever get killed.
3 likesNotMorganFreeman...EXACTLY!!! What a psycho to kill a child for innocently enjoying his music!
1 likeIt’s completely possible he has killed someone else and just never got caught.
1 likeIf USA had different gun laws this wouldn’t happen either
2 likesCody Williams Kk
0 likesCody Williams K
0 likesNotMorganFreeman that is a great answer! I’m sure that you’re probably absolutely RIGHT!
1 like@aDriveAway It don't warrent murder
1 like@Jaryn Covell
1 likeThat's if you take the killer at his word, which you clearly believe,
even though he outright lied compared to other independant accounts.
You might not have said the young guy deserved to die but you infer it.
'If they turned the music down'
Is that your logic..?
Playing the 'if' game,
Ooh, 'if' i wear blue today there might be a million to one chance i'll be seen by ta bloods & get shot.
'If' i walk down the street & some stranger doesnt like the look of me, something 'could' happen...
better not do anything to annoy a passerby or what if, even though i have no clue what their potential triggers are..
Sometimes people dont behave according to others expectations,
thats life, people can be selfish, could have blocked his ears with his fingers for a bit but no.
Those who do the escalating & murder are always the first to conveniently say they feared for their lives.
I call bs.
Here's an if
If he wouldve kept his need to control the behaviour of strangers in check, & if he minded his own business like normal folk - his angry arse wouldnt be where it is.
@aDriveAway @aDriveAway at 12:23 the woman states that the very next day after they had already left their room after leaving the scene ..... bc they were all over the news..... says they were listening to the radio, he turns down the music to say I love you...... the same thing he selfishly stole someone life over he gets to enjoy the next day.... makes me sick really, makes my skin crawl.
0 likes@aDriveAway at 12:23 the woman states that the very next day after they had already left their room after leaving the scene ..... says THEY WERE LISTENING TO THEIR RADIO and then he would turn it down to say I love you! It makes my skin crawl to think the very reason someone's life was stolen and he tried to steal the others as well they get to enjoy?!?!?! Give this physco the death penalty and his little nurse girlfriend also needs some jail time and her license revoked leaving the scene where shooting just happened she could have been administering life saving techniques until more help arrived she could have called the police when they got back to their room while he was out walking the dog she needs to be apprehended
1 likeI'd like to have been there to see how it really went down, what was really said, and how it really appeared to the shooter. 20 years ago I witnessed the murder of a gas station attendant in NJ. I was 12 feet away when a guy walked up to him, pointed a gun at his head, and demanded cash. The attendant gave him the wad of cash in his pocket and then the robber shot him in the head. There was absolutely no reason to kill him because he already got the cash. The robber was never caught. The only description I could give the police was he was about 5'10, thin build, black, wearing blue jeans and a green hoody, and appeared to be in his 20s.
2 likesIt was night time and there were only a few people there but I was the closest and heard and saw everything. I heard what a couple of the other witnesses told the detectives and they were completely wrong about a couple of things and they were both on the other side of the parking lot. It's always made me wonder how accurate most witnesses statement's.
It was just pure racism pure hate pure evil he didn’t like black people and he knew it idgaf what people say
0 likesjud lar how about this if. If you would read what I said you’d understand you’re feeling make zero deference on the facts. I take the other kids at their words when they said they turned it down and then turned it back up and started to talk shit. The situation ended when the music was turned down. No argument or anything. What part of, it is a fact that if the music was kept down there wouldn’t have been the conflict that lead to death, means “his death was justified”? What part of *turns music back up and starts telling himself to fuck himself* keeps the situation from escalating? Maybe it’s the part that separates a justification for a shooting from a reason for one. And since you still haven’t seem to worried about playing the hero to understand... You Can See The Reason Something Happened And Understand What Could Have Been Done To Avoid It And Still Recognize The Crime Was Unjustified. A Reason doesn’t mean Excuse.
1 likeSorry, if he had no gun on him, he would've thought twice to complain in the first place
1 like@Michael Fleming he parked there because he had a gun and was itching to use it. If he had no gun, very likely he wouldn't go looking for trouble
1 like@aDriveAway Are you implying that a teenager deserves to die over loud music?
0 likes@soccertripe Armchair psychoanalysis. What would the point be of not parking next to them if the music was loud enough someone could hear it when pulling into the lot?
0 likes@Maria I never said that and that wasn't what I was implying.
0 likes@Stoic VanderBloomen No. In the two videos they've done on these kind of scenarios, both parties instigate the confrontation yet no one sees it that way -- neither of them, except for the one person in the car who turned the music down, attempt to diffuse the situation. How hard would it have been to ignore the music? How hard would it have been to simply turn it down? The confrontation turns lethal, with the person committing the lethal act being white (probably simply because he has a gun so it's so much easier to commit murder). No one looks at it that way -- with the convenience of hindsight and the way the events played out, it then turns into race-baiting and psuedo-martyrdom dogshit.
0 likesI don't believe they deserved to die -- if you push peoples buttons, instigating or exacerbating conflict, and then the person happens to turn out crazy or really violent and commits murder.... I don't think people (in the comments) should have the right to claim victimhood/sainthood. Whether or not you commit murder isn't the sole arbiter of a good person.
@cxmbosama "accept that nobody is obligated to cater to your every little need" lmao. I can't with people like you that think like this. biggest hypocrites on the planet, for sure.
0 likesMejo it found its way to the wastepaper bin
0 likes@Florence well said .I can not understand why they ignore the obvious🙄Money matters ..
0 likes@cxmbosama orrrr you can be a decent human being and fellow citizen and understand these confrontations are the very reason there are disturbing the peace laws on the books, my blood boils when people act like this in public, and I call the police to mediate because I do not trust myself to mediate with someone old enough to be my son who is cussing and slinging spittle in my face. An armed society is a polite society, treat other people how you want to be treated.
1 likeP.S. the homicide was absolutely unjustifiable, don't let me be misunderstood. But having been in these situations, I'll warn all of us these sorts of exchanges are a byword, blood runs hot when you have strangers cussing at you, let's maintain the common public peace and civil decency.
@sanvloamzn "if somebody nicely ask you “sir can you please be quiet” after they sat next to you... you would be quiet and stop YOUR conversation cause some asshole wants to sit next to you? Then if you continued talking and he shoots you it’s okay cause you should’ve just been quiet? It’s all the same shit. He didn’t like noise and got mad about it." It's not illegal to speak, it's illegal to be blaring music in public, this is the reason there are disturbing the peace laws, literally, to disturb the peace is to create conflict, they initiated this confrontation with their rude aggressive behavior, but the perpetrator was wrong in his actions, it was not justifiable homicide, but blood runs hot in these conflicts... can you imagine just cussing out a random stranger, ya don't know anything about them, some Navy SEAL with PTSD that can kill you 20 ways with a pinky? lol, it was unwise behavior and they need to start teaching kids civics and history again, they are completely out of touch with the common good and civil society. Sad this kid lost his life over some bad manners and dumb thug music though.
0 likes@Lady🖤 Justice⚖ "Give this physco the death penalty and his little nurse girlfriend also needs some jail time and her license revoked leaving the scene where shooting just happened" lol you should be sending this woman chocolates and flowers if you feel so strongly about the case, that was one kind and honest woman who took her swearing in on the stand very seriously, it is clear she is hurt by the entire situation and is in love with the defendant, yet she states in no uncertain terms that he never mentioned that it was an act of self defense, I wish everyone in life was as honest as that woman. As for you thinking she should've rushed into a gun battle scene like some combat medic, she was in shock, in a strange town, and was told by her fiance to get in the car, she completely cooperated with the police and was honest about the situation, we can ask no more of a citizen and if this was my son that had been killed I'd have been eternally grateful for this woman's unimpeachable character.
1 like@Jack O'Neill like I said when physco was walking the dog she should have called the police.... should have told them what happened and she was fearing for her life a nurse is use to being put on the spot anywhere they work and her man was the one who shot not the opposite she may be honest but also a coward even if they thought they were in the right any ways they would have honestly called the police right on the spot not after they got busted and blasted on the news I know it is not her fault but she knew better
0 likesEXACTLY
0 likesJack O'Neill well for one you should do more research on your laws, because I blast my music when I drive yet have never been pulled over NOT ONCE. Disturbing the peace laws are not pertaining to the average citizens’ idea of peace, by peace they mean something like a civil and humane environment. Those kids did not play their music with any intent other than enjoying their music, and the man took it as a personal attack. He could have called the cops from the beginning like you but he didn’t. That’s what laws like this are for, for you to call the enforcers. These laws aren’t put into place to prevent certain reactions from certain people, it’s just due diligence not to shoot somebody when they piss you off. These laws are for us citizens to call the police so that they can handle it. Those boys were teenagers so of course they did what any arrogant teen would do, but legally those boys did nothing wrong. For all I care, he could have blasted his own music back and they would have forgot about it 5 minutes after. If blasting your music excludes you from the decent human category, then I must be a damn turtle or something. I know you’re not trying to shift the blame or anything but it sounds like it. Nothing about this guys reaction was reasonable, and it frustrates me when you basically say these kids gaslighted his reaction.
0 likesShania Frangipanini I recon that you’ll delete your comment later out of sheer embarrassment.
0 likesaDriveAway I’m a hypocrite how? You seem to know more than everybody on this planet, so enlighten me with your never heard before next level knowledge.
0 likes@Jaryn Covell some people really can't stop victim blaming, huh. Pretty disgusting.
0 likesSo stupid to speak without a lawyer
0 likesThe prosecutor is making statements to the witness. Why isn't defense lawyer panel objecting? Hello, wake up.
0 likesGuns... wreck lives.
1 likeWhy are they blurring Her face and body out in the interrogation? When they clearly showed her already
0 likes"a mercedes... and he loved that baby"
5009 likes"oh, gosh, well, i mean, that was a million years ago"
"a fairly...expensive bed & breakfast"
added to the list
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Very perceptive Alina.
104 likesSmh at these criminals...
80 likesWhat’s the first one from ?👀
18 likes@Maggi it's from the video called "Jennifer's Solution", she was 24 and killed her parents
166 likes@Elissa thanks ! I saw that one but guess I missed that line hahah
19 likesDon’t forget “wham, bam, thank you for the coke, PUT me back in my cell”
500 likes@Mad Anderson Classic Jeff
96 likesThis comment!!!!
4 likes@Maggi jennifers solution which actually sucked me into this rabbit hole of true crime documentaries
158 likesApparently I've been watching all the same ones as you - lol
27 likes@AO 2nd is from Stephanie Lazarus. Police officer that brutally murdered the wife of her ex-boyfriend.
50 likesThe 3rd is from this video
@Doc Watson yeah I know... I did watch the whole video... It's not like I was trying to explain exactly what happened in my comment, but okay lmao
1 likeI just watched that😂
0 likesWhat's the fourth one from,?
4 likesdamn, I watched all of these today...
4 likesYou forgot
19 likes"I dont know whats going on please!"
“Live and let live.”
7 likesI swear I’ve watched the same videos in the same order. Next I want to see what these Jeff comments are about 😂
14 likesI've watched too many of these...i know exactly what you're talking about 😆
5 likesThis comment tripped me out
1 like“I’m shittin’ bricks”
13 likesi hate that i know where all of these are coming from
5 likes"I was shitting bricks."
7 likesgod that jennifer quote, the first one, get's me pahahaha
1 like@A2P it was more of “I saw what you saw and i heard what you heard” lmao
12 likes"small loan of a million dollars" headass lmaooo
4 likes@Maggi I did to . I can't put my finger on why , but I'm addicted to these types of cases and serial killer interviews and interrogations .
1 likeDon’t forget “a body? ... I need to sit down for a minute”
16 likesHaha🤣🤣🤣
0 likes@Aurtisan Miner I'M LIKE BRUH YOU KILLED SOMEONE???????
2 likes@Doc Watson why are u mansplaining rn we all watched it obviously 💀
0 likes@Doc Watson "she didn't kill her parents, she killed her MOM" like who cares 💀
0 likes@Sligh same!! came on my recommended and I was like ya okay i fucken like this shit
0 likes@corey 🐥 my thoughts exactly.
0 likes@Maggi i think its the Asian girl who set her parents up to get killed
0 likes@Üzun jennifer in ‘jennifers solution’
0 likesAnd 'fluid motion' and 'quick like lightning' over and over. He's like another case on here I watched who kept bragging how awesome he was at shooting.
1 likeThe fact I read those and nodded thinking yup I remember those lines makes me wonder what Ive been doing with my life the last week
1 likeAHAHAAH I love this
0 likesI love how you quoted exactly word for word what was said.
0 likes“i’m shitting bricks” i would add that instead LOL
0 likesYEWER HAYERR WAS THAYERR STAYYVEN!!
5 likesA man if culture I see
1 likeFirst one hit so hard I watched the whole thing and remembered her saying that out of everything she said
3 likes"all of my ex-boyfriends are still alive" is also a classic
14 likes"I kicked a dog once" should be there too
17 likeshell yeah:))
0 likesSTOP IT NO AHHHHHHHHHHH
0 likesbest list 2020
1 likeAnd "whaam baam thank you for the coke... now take me to my cell"
2 likes@wintertrine 😂 hers has so many winners in it, it's hard to choose just one, but that is the one that made me literally start laughing hysterically because she gets so "remorseful" and acts like this admission is such a grave one that she couldn't POSSIBLY have hurt a person!!! 😇 it's just so utterly ridiculous lol. Her whole "designing" a tshirt by typing the word "survivor" into wordart as an appeal to the JURY at her MURDER TRIAL WHERE SHE HAD ALREADY BEEN CONVICTED OF MURDERING SOMEONE (this was before sentencing) deserves an honorable mention even though it's not a quote. 😛
3 likes@s0lastsummer7 also being mad that her makeup wasn't great 😃 and telling everyone about her faith. But yeah. That t shirt thing was the worst...
1 like@Sligh same 😂
0 likes@Gabba Hitta really? How could you remember that video? It was like a million years ago...
3 likesWho said that was a million years ago? I’m catching up now 😂
0 likes@Ali Chaikoski Stephanie Lazarus, watch it, it may be the best one.
1 like@Jack thank you! I’m watching the Michael Drejka one now, infuriating!
2 likesAnd how can you forget "STAYVUN" "aon know"
1 like@Mad Anderson MY FAV
1 likeYes sir
0 likesAdd "I don't know" "I clean my room once a week"
1 likeWe're all binge watching lol.
1 likestopped for a coke on a handicap space
0 likes“Yes”
1 like“No”
“I dunno”
"Does that make sense to you?"
2 likes"Yes."
"So what I'm saying right now makes sense"
"No."
Did anyone else notice when * Surprised came up on the screen that it is spelled wrong? *Surpised
0 likes@Sligh Same!!
0 likesAny other good channels with similar content?
0 likesI submit that the more wild statement from him is “I’m the victor, but also the victim”. What a sociopath.
1 likeAdd "5000% sure" to the list
1 likeYou know your classics 😎
0 likesThe demons !! The voices !
0 likes“I had dog his name was doggy boy”
4 likesIf you sign up to his Patreon for $1 the most chilling one is Detective: “There was enough fentanyl in that sippy cup to kill 2 grown men.” Mom: “Any other questions?”
0 likes@Fatima Alarcon and "all my ex boyfriends are still alive soo🤷♀️"
0 likesCoke and butterfinger
0 likesLmaooo
0 likesscreaming
0 likesAll these video references are amazing. Just goes to show how idiotic these murders really are.
0 likes“I had a dog… his name was doggy boy”
0 likes"I just wanted to TAWK" 🙄
0 likes😂😂
0 likes@A2P or ‘they are getting ready to take me AGAIN’ 😂
0 likesOmg yes
0 likesOmfg hahahahahah
0 likeshaaa i love this comment
0 likes“The gentleman that killed my mom”
0 likesWhich one is "I'm shitting bricks" from?! I can't recall
1 like@Robin Knight this one Michael Dunn
1 likeA 📕
0 likesLawyer lawyer lawyer
0 likesIf you're a bad liar - and you know that you are a bad liar - you shouldn't lie... AT ALL!!!
1 likeSo anyway I started blasting
0 likes“I hate thug music”
51178 likescommits murder in a parking lot
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Aint that funny 🤔
792 likesIt wasn’t a hate of the music; it was much deeper than that.
2941 likesLike rain on your wedding day.
267 likesWhen you hate a genre so bad you kill someone
995 likesMy Movers Inc Moving he’s looking for a fight.
24 likes@AppleSauwse I think rain would be beautiful
35 likes@Dawnbreaker Obama call rioter "Thugs". When Trump does it he somehow automatically a racist?
578 likesWhat's thug music 🤔 Country? Rap? Pop? R&B? Rock? I'm confused.
108 likes@Dawnbreaker Yeah. I'd be surprised if "thug" is what he actually said.
248 likes"Dont sing about it, be about it!"
39 likes@AppleSauwse it's a free ride but you already paid
29 likescody davis You’re not a victim at all
16 likes@Dawnbreaker No it is not.
53 likesiluvpinkandgold they mean rap. It has this connection because of Tupac (“Thug Life”) and it started in ~1990. Can also be thought of as “Gangsta Rap” but more loosely people who dislike/hate blacks use it to mean any uptempo black music.
175 likesJames Gutember I don’t think that comment was supposed to be funny. It’s presenting the cold irony.
23 likesLuna Smith the word Thug has been in play as an n-word cover since Tupac, was healthy and alive through Bushes, Clinton, Obama (yep!) and currently. You’re not wrong, just want you to see it’s not a new thing.
166 likesPatch Weaver that’s the double standard they live by
13 likescody davis or code for we need 1 black and at least 1 brown ..... smh shady business
1 like@AppleSauwse good advice that ya just didnt take
9 likes@DMVcon ARTists and who would've thought it'd figureeee
12 likes@cody davis "nword code" is that better than just calling people the nword?
21 likes@cody davis Hey Cody, your racism is showing!
52 likesWhy did i laugh
5 likesSleepy Sage 🐇🍄🌾 the contradiction created a tension in you and laughter lets that out
8 likesIt's clearly the "rap music" that suddenly turned him into a thug... but really the guy is a murderer end of story, simple, he murdered unjustly.
54 likesHe hated it cause its enables him
7 likesM Detlef I don’t think Trump is an extreme racist. Everyone has their own level of racism. The worst form of racism is the type that pretend they aren’t racist. While label other people as racist in order to benefit from their misfortune. So they can obtain fame and wealth through other people emotion.
56 likesLuna Smith uh oh libby
10 likesPp tip pp
1 likeIt would be funny if in the interview he said something like "They we're playing wack ass mumble rap, they could have at least been playing some Wutang”
42 likesLeinad Selcce 😁😂😁 WU-TANG!
1 likeI’ve been down with RTJ4 this past month. 🏃🏻 tha’ 💎s babay
@Dawnbreaker Orange Man Bad
54 likesThe irony!
3 likesguns don't kill people, thug music does
26 likesWhat i don't understand is... how is it possible for an apperently "normal man" to just lose it and start shooting for the purpose of menacing/killing? I mean, of course the boys were right and they are victims in this! I'm surprised there was no racism charge here... but maybe he was in full denial for what he had done (just lost his shit and went casually postal) and continued to lie to himself? Or do you guys think he is just a psycho with no empathy? How can something this big happen so casually one day? (I don't know if i'm expressing correctly)
31 likes@Dawnbreaker "Thug" has been code for "black male" for a lot longer than Trump has been President.
84 likesFlowerPowerWorld guarantee you the rum and coke had a lot to do with it. Also the guy is a big floppy wanker and so he’s trying to be tough and has a gun, ego stuff. Also he is in unfamiliar area so probably a bit jumpy, I believe he was at least a little afraid probably because he is just afraid of blacks.
36 likesNoah x yep it’s not the syllables that are bad, it’s the idea they represent and wanting to brand people like that.
4 likesPatch Weaver it’s racist when trump does it, it was racist when Obama did it too
25 likes@Patch Weaver We need the Division agents to handle these "peaceful" criminals 😅 oof imagine
3 likesAmy Kawaii I’m not so sure about the Trump hating poor people. Can you supplement your reason on why you think that way? It would clarify any poorly misconceived notion.
6 likesplays smooth jazz music on the drive back to the hotel
18 likes@Dawnbreaker I am certain he is a racist and this was a hatecrime
45 likeshe encourages his girlfriend to take a Valium if she gets nervous. He said she probably will get “offers from Hollywood” from testifying. What a twisted man
18 likesGo search for Michael Dunn letters, it contain about his letters to his gf and families
2 likes@Big Boss you really kept us waiting huh?
0 likes@Dawnbreaker no it isn't. A thug is a thug.
26 likes@James Gutember " now that's gangsta"
0 likesYup, such irony.
0 likes@AppleSauwse so far 17 people have good taste in music.
3 likes😂😂😂
0 likesGangsta rap made me do it! :p
4 likesThe music they were listening to was basically talking about the events that unfolded 💀
3 likes@lïßêrå†ïðñ I legit almost took your comment serious lol good one.
4 likesI A I think he only murdered one if memory serves me right.
2 likes@My Movers Inc Moving yes dear, I'm aware.
1 likeOmg that’s hilarious 😂
1 likeI would have to admit. This is one of the racists out there.
2 likesYes is ok to hate thug music but don’t hate people who loves thug music. They hate your stupid music too but allow you to do yourself!!
7 likes@Mudoru I could understand if it was just hatred of rap. I hate rap, too. I suspect it was a bit more than that, though.
11 likesPeople who assume thug only refers to black males are the racist ones. Thugs are of all races, and are a real thing. What would you prefer they be called? Personally I don’t see why not call the black ones the n word. They are offensive to decent ppl so why not be offensive to them
9 likesBane MAN I hear you. Is sad, many of them never fully evolve. Still have to love them and be kind to them. They still have the aweful animal behavioral
0 likes@Dawnbreaker Trump 2020!
9 likes@Patch Weaver I can answer that on their behalf. No. They have no reason and they absolutely cannot "supplement" fuck all, other than because that's what the TV said. The mainstream establishment backed sources tell me how to think, and I obey because I'm ignorant. That's the correct answer. They won't say that though.
3 likes@I A 50 bucks says your IQ is in the 80s.
8 likesLeinad Selcce ha that would have been a stronger defense
0 likesWe've all done it
0 likes@Dawnbreaker thug has nothing to do with race.
13 likes@Patch Weaver Obama was a political leader that didn't say that Mexico was sending rapists to the US.
9 likes@Noah x yes, it's less harsh
0 likesI like short comments that sum up volumous situations accurately whilst highlighting the irony....very hard to do...
3 likesLuna Smith I’m a trump supporter and I listen to rap everyday
5 likesLmfao
1 like"Hide 102 replies" wew time to witness the overwhelming humanity of youtube comments
5 likesiluvpinkandgold anything by babyface
0 likesLmao
0 likesPatch Weaver when did Trump ever show racism? Give me facts.
7 likesThen proceeds to do “thug” shit
0 likes@FlowerPowerWorld alcohol does horrible things to many people.
1 likeWOW. Michael Dunn has so many dummy accounts posting comments in this section.
2 likes@cody davis are you a comedy writer or are you being serious?
0 likes@Patch Weaver Well, to be fair, it's better than Biden and Hillary calling black kids Superpredators
10 likes@Dawnbreaker yeah he dated black women. What a racist for calling a duck a duck.
5 likes@miss Anie Bananie he was never a leader
0 likes@cody davis can you reword that more clearly to get your point across better there pboy?
0 likes@Mudoru idk ever listen to 100 gecs?
0 likesOh my gosh I never thought of that, good point!
0 likes@Dawnbreaker bro grow up
3 likesif you hate “thugs” don’t even go to jacksonville bruh 💀
0 likes@AppleSauwse 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
1 like@iluvpinkandgold Rap.
0 likesspot on chap 😂
0 likesSoooo I have to like the music? If I don’t, does that automatically make me racist??? Lol
8 likesThat’s some thug shit
3 likesWhat you hate and judge lyes inside of you. It’s a mirror of yourself.
0 likes🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
0 likesXactly
0 likes@Dawnbreaker u know how long “thug” has been around lol
2 likesIt wasn’t “thug” he said.
0 likes@FlowerPowerWorld He shows that he has no remorse about what he did. It's very easy to see that he has no problem with killing a young black man.
3 likes🥀 RIP TO THE YOUNG MAN THAT DIED🥀
7 likesGangsta rap made him do it!
2 likesHonestly lmaoo
0 likesHe prefers to live like thug music.
1 likeStraight thuggin tho smh
0 likes@Patch Weaver who cares he lost to a guy sleeping in his basement pathetic
0 likes@Ronald Rohlsen faxx we be getting on everything’s ass
0 likescommits murder in a gas station parking lot at that..
0 likes@Mudoru He was dead wrong to shoot, but the genre sings all the time about killing too, right?
4 likes@iluvpinkandgold I think they mean opera. That's where the real hate speech comes in...if you learn Italian.
0 likesCorrection: it’s not “music”
3 likes@Dawnbreaker it’s just a violent criminal no one thinks that it means the n slur
6 likes@Patch Weaver it just means a violent person or criminal it has nothing to do with race
6 likesThe American way
0 likesGansta
0 likes@AppleSauwse a black fly in your chardonnay
1 likeEXACTLY WHAT I SAID
0 likesI would wager that the word he actually used was not "thug"
0 likes@Robinsane Hate crime laws are bullshit
0 likes@Dawnbreaker how is trump in this now lol
6 likes@James Gutember 😂 it is when you’re dark
0 likes"Are you talking to me?"
1 likePride is a bitch
Violent music 😂😂😂
0 likes@Big Boss You're absolutely right! The hate is deep with this one. I think the term racist is thrown around way too much these days, but this guy clearly is one, and deserves to wear the label!
2 likes@Dawnbreaker I don't agree that Thug is a dogwhistle at all. Thugs come in all colors, and calling someone a thug is not necessarily racist. On the other hand, though, this guy is clearly a racist.
4 likesI hate prog rock but I wouldn't kill an average, middle-aged, suburban dad.
3 likesYou win best comment on this video hahaha
0 likes@Patch Weaver that’s the point of dog whistles
0 likesracism does that to a person's mind
1 like@Bubba O'Reilly if he actually was afraid, and not just pretending that was the case when he was being interrogated, then the only reason he was afraid is because he's a racist. the only reason he would be afraid of some harmless teenagers is because they were black. he's a racist.
2 likes“I hate gangsta music!”
1 like-commits “gangsta” style crime
@Dawnbreaker How do you know who he voted for?
3 likes😂🤣
0 likes@JerryOnlyChild who is they?
0 likes@JerryOnlyChild double standard? one president was professional and still had humor but didn’t use that to offend mass amount of people with un-acceptable comments. Where as the other one does and gets confused on why people don’t like him? He’s unprofessional. If he was capable of catching himself when he’s about to say something stupid he wouldn’t be widely hated. He did that to himself.
0 likes@Sammysapphire context
0 likes@iluvpinkandgold it's stereotyping but OP's joke would fall flat if he used another term since he was highlighting the irony of hating music associated to thugs while acting like one.
1 like@Dawnbreaker so you think his definition of a thug may have something to do with melatonin? No way!
1 like@Patch Weaver wow defending trump even when he isnt being attacked. bet you think this guy was in the right too
0 likes@Dawnbreaker I dunno thug has been around for a while
2 likesI know honey, try not to be racist while I'm away
0 likes@miss Anie Bananie Are you talking about the same Obama that built cages to hold kids found crossing the border?
2 likes@HallowedFlux yes it is
0 likesfucking thank you
0 likes"I hate thug music" - him
0 likes"Menacing methods label me a lethal weapon watching n** die witnessing breathless imperfections, can you picture my specific plan? To be a man in this wicked land underhanded hits are planned" - also him
@Dawnbreaker LOL!
6 likesNo. A 'thug' can be any color, that you think they are only one color...is very telling about you.
Who even cares what his definition is. He shot a child over music. The end.
4 likes@Big Boss definitely a hate crime no doubt
0 likesCould be another day in an inner city.
0 likes@Joker Gaming triggered lame
0 likesPeople were killed for less
0 likesYeah, so you think the black people he asked to turn the music down were angels?
2 likesSounds like the story line of a bad movie.
0 likesikr holy fuck
0 likesThat's thug asf
0 likes@Patch Weaver well of course!
1 likeLook at how Biden and especially Kamala Harris has treated poc yet they just adore them!
The media has brainwashed TF outta people.
@Noise Injection Irony can be amusing/funny btw,I’m a self hating smart ass YT commenter😉
0 likes@Dawnbreaker being racist has nothing to do w supporting trump
4 likes@Dawnbreaker idk about that but ok
0 likes@Dawnbreaker how did you politicize this
2 likesDid you see how uncomfortable he was with the black detective? You could tell he was trying not to say certain words that he otherwise would use.
0 likes@James Gutember
0 likesfunny and ironic
@I A Ah, yes the time that Trump called White Supremist good people. Which he never did. You don't have to like Trump, but don't lie about the reasons.
4 likesIs that like shuck and jive music?
0 likesUhmmm, he most certainly did refer to them as very good people. I watched it live as I'm sure you did. Lol. Just because you support the trash bag doesn't mean you have to deny the truth dear. He's out! Get over it 🤣🤣🤣
2 likesright? he was going to be there for 5 minutes tops, whats the point to fight about it ? ffffff
0 likes@James Gutember they are responsible for the vast majority of v crime this man did a service by taking them oooout
1 like@I A There's videos proving you wrong! Stop lying and try to get your news from different sources, not just from CNN and your leftist twitter-bubble.
3 likesFor your own sake that is.
@Dawnbreaker wtf
0 likes@Kiwi86 leftist dont watch CNN. Learn what the difference between leftist and liberals are.
2 likesI swear right wingers don't understand context or the basic definitions of words
I guess its time to redefine what is thug music now.
0 likesexactly
0 likes@Dawnbreaker Pretty sure the N-words have been glorifying "thug life" for over 3 decades.
2 likes@James Gutember I didn't find it funny, but I found it witty.
1 likeDawnbreaker how can you link this to Trump😂 Biden is from the party of the kkk...
2 likesCaptain Morgan so true, so many have been taken down by it. This guys pride cost a young guy his life and ruined both families lives. So sad😞
1 likeRight?!
0 likesi don’t like rap at all but i know it’s not thug music and i certainly wouldn’t hate on someone who likes it, or describe it that hatefully. people are just assholes sometimes. especially ones who kill other people.
0 likes@Mudoru mhm
0 likes@Dawnbreaker Thug is a lot older than anything Trump or Tupac has said. Here's a hint: it has nothing to do with Americans. Thug comes from the word Thuggee, which refers technically to a swindler or dishonest individual but is most famously associated with a cult of Indian stranglers.
2 likes@Rick I'm not clicking that.
0 likesIf that ain't some thug shit🤔
0 likes@Sabrina Oh I was just using Dawnbreakers language. Are we not allowed to say n-word anymore?
0 likesIt seems like this man is so entitled that he was triggered that these kids refused to obey his request to put the volume down and had the nerves to insult him in the process. It sounds like that’s what made him commit murder. His anger may have been exacerbated by prejudicial ideas against these kids...
0 likes@Patch Weaver he was just trying to be fair.
0 likes@Patch Weaver it is when in the same breath you are praising white supremacists that end up driving into crowds of humans or storming our nation's capitol like legit terrorists holding weapons and binding gear, while he's telling them they are "patriots", or "very fine people" and that he "loves them"
0 likescontext and followup mean a lot
Dunn assumed they were "thugs" merely for being black and listening to I am guessing harder rap. The cops proved they were otherwise.
@valiant360420 Metal also talks about murder and video games constantly glorify murder..someone that likes metal and plays games wants to kill or gets the feeling they want to? I never have..if music and games alone influence someone to that manner they have a mental illness
0 likesAmazing this wasnt a hate crime
0 likes@Dawnbreaker wa?
0 likes@Mudoru me with techno.
0 likesI guess he really doesn't like "thug" music.
0 likes@Joker Gaming duurr
0 likes@Dawnbreaker 4 More years 😄👍
0 likes@Godservative Well Said! 😂👍
0 likesPimpin ain't easy
0 likes@iluvpinkandgold as a young black city man with dreads and face and hand tats, I can say with confidence country is hella thuggish
0 likes@Mudoru yeah I got a feeling he doesn't hate the music as much as what it represents to him. Think it's clear to everybody watching that there's be no dead kid, had they been white
0 likes🤦🏽♂️ thought she said dubb music
0 likes@Patch Weaver poor victim Trump. There is no reason whatsoever to believe he's racist 😢
0 likesThey were taunting him. No doubt.
0 likes@iluvpinkandgold, yes, you are very confused. Common Sense tells you that most rap music is representative of violence, sex, and drugs. Stop pretending that you don't know anything.
0 likes@Dawnbreaker, but they can be racist, and call him a cracker, and that is okay? Right?
0 likesNo@James Gutember, not the least bit.
0 likesHe is way too much a narcissistic racist to ever believe he did anything wrong.
0 likesI feel like she didn't say the truth and he said the n word
0 likes@Linley Smith You got it right the first time.
0 likesHA
0 likes@Big Boss you're looking at a joke, sir
0 likes@Big Boss I agree, the guy was a racist and felt disrespected, he had been drinking, it is too bad the young men couldn't have just turned the music down for a minute until they left. I play music loud at times but with my windows up and not probably as loud as these guys were, it is very annoying when people feel the need to force what ever they are listening to onto everyone within a block around, no one deserves to be shot at or killed for this but it's also a shame people just can't be considerate.
0 likes@AppleSauwse 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Ironic
0 likes@FlowerPowerWorld
0 likesI feel he’s a small man, he wanted to feel big....
that’s why he shot at those boys. He was looking for a reason.
@JerryOnlyChild bbnnn
0 likesThe guy was only doing what the music promoted
1 likecan die hero or live long enough to become the thug
0 likes@matsl iva well I pretty much just coughed up everything I was just drinking😆😂
0 likes@Internet Dinosaur it's someone's eating up all the leftist media pollution...
0 likes@Dawnbreaker when you think thugs are only blacks, you might be the racist
1 like@Patch Weaver but Obama wasn’t a racist??? Please
0 likes@I A stop watching cnn. Everything in your post is a lie
0 likes@Joy turn the damn radio down so other people don’t have to hear that cRAP
0 likes@Dog Egg when did he say that? Thanks
0 likeswithout music
0 likes@Jonathan Acs music was playing
0 likes@Anne Haight How bout “super predators”
0 likesI doubt he said the word thug..
0 likes"Are you talking to me ? " de Niro quote from Taxi Driver , as he starts a gun rampage
1 like@Dawnbreaker so you’re probably one of those people were it’s okay to be racist as long as you’re not white I’m assuming
1 like@My Movers Inc Moving No, someone not liking rap music doesn't mean they're racist.
1 like@Carol V Carol, I don't understand your comment: could you clarify. Thanks.
0 likes@Big Boss Calling the music just stems from sheer racism. And I"m a white middle aged woman that's crazy for good hiphop. lol
0 likes13-52
0 likesYeah Michael Dunn is a murderer. But he's not part of the 13 that do 52
Well actually a gas station I think. But yeah.
0 likes@Noise Injection not literal irony... but sure.
0 likesLet’s not stereotype murderers as thugs .. remember .. Johnny Cash shot a man in Reno just to watch him die ...
0 likes@Mudoru yeah we all know that mood
0 likesHere in the UK, a thug means thug. It's not some racist metaphor. Soon you guys will have no words left for anything. That means you will be unable to communicate. That means your society will in danger of collapse. You need to learn to refute these dangerous ideas, it's just somebody's opinion and you all need to take a step back and make up your own minds. You have a great language, if you didn't mean what you meant and somebody tries to insinuate you really meant something else, just assert yourself, say you don't agree, say you don't see it that way, say you don't subscribe to that idea and walk away.
1 likeCrazy SOB, what a reaction. He even called himself the victim
0 likes@Sammysapphire great man
0 likesOh the irony! Smh
0 likesThank you. I couldn't remember if this was the case of cherish perrywinkle. I forgot that guy's name. Thank you for refreshing my memory about which one it was. I live in Jacksonville Florida so it's kind of weird hearing my County Jail name come up on a YouTube video.
0 likesMAGA 2024 🔴🇺🇸💎🦅
0 likesJust be respectful and turn the music down. It's really that simple.
1 like@Uncle Junior : More simple would have been to show respect and turn down the music. Again, it's really that simple. There are no winners here.
1 like@Offilaw Noone Interesting. Do you ever have race riots going on in the streets there?
0 likes@Bill Wilson it would’ve been far more simple not to shoot someone for not turning down the music.. at the end of the day they don’t have to do what he says or asks.. he’s not their dad.
0 likes@Uncle Junior : Had they simply been respectful as was Mr. Thompson and turned down the music, no one would have died.
0 likes"at the end of the day they don’t have to do what he says or asks" - this nasty attitude will get you into trouble especially if you run into an unstable person. This nasty attitude is what snuffed out a life by an unstable person. Who won?
@Dawnbreaker thug is actually an abbreviation of thuggee, an Indian word for murderer.But I can go with both definitions.
0 likes@Robinsane how are you sure? were you there?
0 likes@Michael Lucas why?
0 likesWith no regard for human life shot up the place like a madman
0 likestrue thug :)
0 likesI thought she said ‘dub music’ haha
0 likesblack music
0 likesBless that 17 year old young mans heart. He was so handsome. How could you do this?!?!?
0 likes@Dawnbreaker exactly what I was thinking
0 likesthat's thug life AF
0 likesI hate that I scrolled through these comments, mostly discussing a horrifically tragic situation and, I'm curious as to whether the lyrics to Alanis Morissette's "Ironic" were ever finished. I know, I'm a horrible person. I'll see myself out now. Take care everyone. 🚶
1 like@Jennyanydots LOL... Sall good Jenny. +1
1 like@Carlos Mazda LOL Thanks for that! 😉
1 like@Dawnbreaker tell me you’re a sweaty liberal, without telling me you’re a sweaty liberal.
0 likes@My Movers Inc Moving true
0 likes@My Movers Inc Moving it’s not an “n word cover” lmao do you drink cat water or something?
0 likes@FlowerPowerWorld chances are. Far more was said than either side cares to share. They don’t want to make themselves look bad. It’s possible the lawyers controlled that discourse. But in the grand scheme of things. It is unlikely he is a psychopath. More likely that he has a full denial of his actions. Enless this man absolutley hates black people, it’s hard to even pin it on racism. Yes it may have contributed to his altercation being more rude towards the victims, and eventually led him to the escalation of firing a gun. Personally, I’m sure the boys had choice words for him. As they may have assumed he was simply a racist white guy based on his tone and the way he came across (which is equally prejudice and racist by definition) and he probably is a racist, wouldn’t be surprised if it helped him pull the trigger. It’s hard to say without anyone haveing audio recording. He however did attempt to lie and get them in more trouble than they should have been, which is ridiculous and he for sure deserves time served for ALL of his actions before and after the shooting. Simply said, I believe he didn’t think people would care if he shot at some black kids. Which is sooooo wrong and racist
1 like@Joker Gaming libtard? Are you 12?
0 likesThe music compelled him lol
0 likes"I hate these fucking people" Puts on Tiger mask "And their music" Intense synth music plays
0 likesi feel bad for the guy if someone call you SOB thar a greed light
0 likesI honestly think he was drunk and wanted to kill a black kid. Just got the record I'm a white republican
0 likesMore like a cowboy trying to take out some robbers
0 likes@Montgomery House lol
0 likes@Dawnbreaker no, we just say the word itself.
0 likesI hate thug music too, but not enough to pull out a weapon and shoot someone over it. Geez
0 likes@Big Boss yes, I hate that kind of music too, but wouldn't pull out a gun over it, let alone shoot it. I would just crank up AC/DC roll up the windows and rock on!!
0 likes@Darrell Sharp ill do it if someone play country music lol
0 likes@Patch Weaver no it was racist when Obama did it too
1 like@Wayne Hicks he isn't racist
1 like@GAMEBRED_13TH Lol
0 likes@Zeron Peat Wanted to be gangsta. Lol
0 likesOr a free ride when you’ve already paid .
0 likesIt is music by thugs ,some pretend some real but thugs I agree the lyrics are awful
0 likesHe had 5 whiskies, probably doubles. It's why he left the scene. Whiskey seems to agitate some people. If he was on weed he'd be like "hey man cool music"
0 likes@Dawnbreaker You wish
0 likes@Patch Weaver No, the worst kind of racist is someone who murders innocent teenagers in a parking lot because they dont like the teens skin tone or choice of music.
1 likeAttempts lynching minors! I mean I know that life is life, but a life so young taken away by a drunk racist driver just hits me that much harder.
0 likes@Patch Weaver yeah just because a black person uses it doesnt mean it cant be used in a racist context. and chuds aways complain about idpol lmaoo
0 likes@Dawnbreaker The mob was hero’s? 🤔...smh genomes🤦🏿♂️
0 likesThis comment is so underrated........
0 likesImagine if they didn’t have the music obnoxiously blaring and had a little respect for the community. They might still
0 likesBe alive, I know that’s really difficult to understand
@Ric Pla there’s no set way to live life ...there are laws tho .......and unfortunately playing music out loud isn’t one of them
2 likesI’m sure it had nothing to do with the music. I’m sure he hated somethings else, but let me not assume.
0 likes@Big Boss facts!
0 likes@Alexander Parsival Maximilian Too bad he wasn't smart enough to have you as his defense lawyer.
0 likes@Dawnbreaker funny, since racist Joe Biden used "thug" as he was writing the law that incarcerated tens of thousands of minorities...the law that Trump had overturned, and Trump in turn had many Blacks pardoned from Biden's overtly racist law. Fascinating that so many ignore the Truth, since they're interested in false narratives.
0 likes@Patch Weaver facts
0 likes@AppleSauwse
0 likes🎵Who woulda thought...?🎶
@DMVcon ARTists 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 That guy said that to Simon Cowell......
0 likesHe really didn’t like it obviously
0 likesSIMPLY DON'T LISTEN TO IT.THAT DOESN'T GIVE YOU OR ANY ONE THE RIGHT TO GO AROUND KILLING WHO EVER LISTENING To It
0 likesThe IRONY of it all!!! lol
0 likes@StarFruitNinja Yeah, as if the MAFIA didn’t listen to CLASSICAL MUSIC lol.
0 likesIsn’t it funny how that always seems to be the case???
0 likes“I hate thug music”
0 likesCommits murder after saying “You talking to me?”
Hahahhahaha
0 likes@AppleSauwse hahahha
0 likesmurder? it was a mercy killing
1 like@RPD during the trial the fiancé confirmed that’s what he said unfortunately. She was pretty shocked but she did tell the truth..much respect to her
0 likes@Sith Otaku Why does everyone assume I am an avid Trump supporter, white supremacist or terrorist. I am just trying to say that just because you use the word “thug” doesn’t mean you are an automatic racist. It just a word that has been used for thousands of years and it has never been tied down to a specific race before. Beside that I honestly don’t care about Trump. It when people make everything political that I start to give a shit. This video wasn’t even about Trump before the breach into the capital.
1 like@German Gonzalez He is racist and why do you think he isn’t?
0 likes@Sammy Long I’ve mention that before. Read one of my comment “Stubbornness” is the surface level of racism that society hates the most. It basically “We breed hatred, raise hatred, and believe hate to be our savior” type of racism that is bury down to the core of racism. This is not an uncommon trait and I’ve seen countless of countries practicing it and it should be shunned and rebut by society.
0 likes@Patch Weaver too many comments... because he seems like some paranoid pent up freak
0 likes@German Gonzalez I haven’t commented in a while since I wasn’t on YouTube for over 6 months. “Paranoid pent up freak” sounds like you are describing yourself.
0 likes@Patch Weaver Who
0 likes@Dawnbreaker Dogwhistle doesn't mean synonym, it is a term for when someone is signaling to a group of people covertly(a dogwhistle being silent to human hearing) that they are one of them and/or to do something. If you are going to use buzzwords use them correctly.
1 likeE
0 likesThey better had listen to metal😉
0 likesRight? He ain’t even a thug. He’s a straight coward.
0 likesTragically ironic.
0 likesThug life
0 likesI'd do the same that lol
0 likes@Patch Weaver ok.... Let's not talk about how in the "hes talking about Donald Trump never said anything about any race These people heard the word "thug" and immediately thought of black people
0 likes@I A no he doesn't lol
0 likesTwo wrongs don’t make a right. Turn that thug shit off!!!!
1 likeThe guy says “Kill that bitch etc…” so it was self defense. He was a victim
1 likeThugs lost this time. Soooo sorry 😢
0 likes@Robinsane Certain with zero evidence - Right
0 likesPoor guy was railroaded. Defended himself plain & simple
0 likesThe black cop is protecting the guys who make threats of murder
1 like@I A Not only is this wrong. It's absolutely stupid.
0 likes@Patch Weaver when Trump does it ofc
0 likesIt unlocked his inner gangsta.
0 likes@iluvpinkandgold nowadays... im pretty sure sure theyre all thug music. Damn you struggle jennings and jelly roll... had to go breaking down barriers.
0 likesThe music must've made him violent second hand.
0 likesYeah no ones ever died from music. It’s just the modern version of blues.
0 likes@AppleSauwse That song has made me wish guns were legal in the UK , just so I could shoot the radio sometimes , Lol.
0 likes@Dawnbreaker why are you guys like this ?
0 likesaha
0 likes@Elixer dunn very likely made that up
0 likes@Elixer you talk like you were there lmao. And why do you assume that just because they blast loud music theyre the instigators here?! Either way the “thugs” were unarmed and the shooting was unjustified
0 likes😂😂😂😂
0 likesI hate murderers more 🤷🏻♀️
0 likes@Sammysapphire but thug has been used to describe black males for god knows how long
0 likes@Joe Kerr that’s literally like saying I’m not racist I have a black friend
0 likes@Hesse3 melanin*
0 likes@Dawnbreaker no shit Sherlock
0 likes@iluvpinkandgold polka actually
0 likes@My Movers Inc Moving thug also could refer to Tony Hawk's Underground
0 likes@Patch Weaver his first mistake was saying “trump”
0 likesPolitics drives shit off topic so often its not worth having
@Legbad It's funny cause I wonder if he would've did the same thing if they were playing some Southern Horrorcore. My friends would roll around playing Lord Infamous - Anyone Out There
0 likes@FlowerPowerWorld Nah he's just indoctrinated. Being on the internet a lot it's not hard to find more people who think just like him then they create echo-chambers and become cults.
0 likesI don’t like Thug Music either I would just roll my windows up and leave..... quickly
0 likes@Patch Weaver different context buddy. Referring to minority groups as “thugs” just because they are playing music and from their looks is racist plain and simple. There is the proper term for thug: criminal and there is the racist term for thug. Depends on the context.
1 like@Dawnbreaker if you don’t think “thugs” are a real thing you’ve lived a very privileged life
1 like@Anne Haight “thug” is just the way someone is dressed. It has nothing to do with skin color
1 like@AppleSauwse A free ride when you already paid!
0 likesUSA
0 likesSTRAIGHT THUGIN
0 likesswamponions You triggered LMAO
0 likesNevadaR6 Conservative snowflake LMAO
0 likes@valiant360420 what are you talking about?
0 likes@Patch Weaver obama appealed to white moderates like no tomorrow.
0 likesOf course he said that, because its what lots of people wanna hear.
The point is that the word thug is often used towards black people, meanwhile that same language is refrained from for white kids. That word has a lot of racialised baggage.
Its a bit like asking a black person “do you like watermelon?”, we ofc cant prove whether or not that had racist intent considering the stereotype, but regardless the racialised baggage is there and unavoidable!
@Patch Weaver nah obama can be racist too.
1 likeso that music made him do that ? ....lookin at that country - yeah, its like that.
0 likesLMFAOOOO
0 likeswe all know what he actually meant
0 likes*sigh* Why can't people just take a joke?
0 likes@Mudoru understandable if people listen to mumble rap
0 likes"I hate thug music", said a Thug.
0 likesAnd a GAS STATION parking lot at that lol
0 likes@Dawnbreaker well we have to use codewords. we cant just tweet it or go on podcasts and call people subhuman like nick cannon
0 likes@Patch Weaver yes
0 likesThat shit made me laugh way more than it should’ve xD
0 likesthis comment is so perfect in every way
0 likeslike a thug
0 likesHaha I know right he busted a 187
0 likes@Mudoru yeah hes got me beat
0 likesJust racist
0 likesMy thought exactly.
0 likesBiggest thug of em allll
0 likesI'd say he's more concerned than just thug 🎶 music....
1 likeI gUeSs RaP mUsIc rEaLLy DoEs MaKe PeOpLe ViOlEnT
0 likes@Dawnbreaker literally 😭😭
0 likesI know right?!
0 likesIrony
0 likes😂😂😂😂 I should not be laughing
0 likesWhy has he stop posting. Where can I watch more of these
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apparently YT have been fucking with his monetisation ... nothing new alas.
1 likeSucks for him she was only his fiancé on that stand
0 likesEverything reminds me of ...
0 likes33:54
1 likeHis woman was such a sweetheart. No idea how those 2 ended up together. Hopefully she found someone better and is happy now. Same to the family who was killed by this lunatic
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@EVOLICIOUS you are so wrong
60 likes@EVOLICIOUS 1.) Sociopaths like this are great at hiding their tendencies until they've got their partner, essentially, 'trapped' in marriage, it's unfortunately common, and 2.) Really says something about your priorities that you put 'ugly' and 'fat' before 'narcissistic racist', let alone include them at all.
59 likes@EVOLICIOUS “ugly, fat” (things you can’t always fix) and “narcissistic, racists” aren’t the same things and it sucks that people act like they belong in the same categories sometimes. Also the OP saying “his woman...” just oof. I hate the comment section. 🙄 why am I here lolll
6 likes@Lagtim3 completely agree, thank you.
0 likesThese are the only males available to conservative women.
2 likes@FruityBlue dude its a colloquilism. You knew what I meant. If you thought I meant in any way, shape, or form, that he owned her, then you are the one with problems. Being pedantic isn't a good look. I spent the majority of the post calling her a sweetheart and saying she deserved better.
2 likes@EVOLICIOUS Makes me think of low self esteem, thinking you deserve nothing better.... Can't believe that that's the first time he's exhibited violent tendencies..... (and theres plenty of things to dislike him for, no need to bodyshame, my dude)
1 like@Van Goghs Severed Ear what family was killed ? ? 🤔
0 likesMrs raur is beautiful
0 likes42:53
0 likesTHIS is what FL’s “Stand your ground” law creates. Empowers guys like this to go directly to deadly violence and then plea that they were “in fear,” for their lives. George Zimmerman is another fine example.
3 likesThe gas station didn’t have cameras?
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Not outside
2 likesFair play to the driver reversing and getting away within four seconds. Heartbreaking that it wasn’t enough to save everyone
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Props to the guy who turned the music back up...oh wait.
4 likesYes it could've been worst😟
0 likes@hallergreen shouldn’t have died to begin with. Let’s not throw shady remarks towards a child who was murdered by a grown man who couldn’t stand to listen to some loud music for a few minutes without the urge to kill
11 likesghetto experience :DD
0 likes@Pendejo yes, he shouldn't have listened to loud music in the first place. No one anywhere should enjoy the little bit of time they have on this planet. No one ever should dance. They are just asking to be shot. 🙄 Smh.
1 like@Dizzle Bambizzle
0 likesYeah, that's what I said and meant. You people sure get emotional, and that makes you irrational.
@NotRelatedByBlood
0 likesIf only I didn't turn the music back up after turning it down just to spite the person who requested it to be turned down.
@Cheetah Chrome
0 likesI think you mean "fitting" username. It's called "beating the predictable idiots to the punch."
@Achxo He's basically saying that the kid amped up the confrontation and you can act big and tough and disrespect people but you never know who's willing to "go there". Fuck no the dude didn't deserve to die over loud music but it never helps to
0 likes@Pendejo You're right. Being in an emotional state makes you think irrationally. That's a perfect example to put Mike in here. Mike heard loud music, thought they needed to turn it down, stated that to the SUV, so the SUV turned it down. Then, one of the people in the SUV thought, hmh it's our car and I can play my music as loud as I want to so, they turned it up again. Mike felt a certain way about them turning the music up again meaning he got emotional and he didn't use his brain but instead his emotions. Therefore showing you how him grabbing a gun and shooting a child to death was an irrational moment of his all fueled by emotions. So, he's most definitely in the wrong.
0 likes@magikines
0 likesWho's arguing that Dunn didn't get what he deserved? I merely claim that there were other relevant factors that should not be left unaddressed.
Damn boomers man...
1 likeWow
1 likeWas it racially motivated?
0 likes"I can't shoot someone because I think they have a weapon"
3 likesLmao, coming from US police that's just RICH
I can’t imagine being Rhonda on that drive home 😰 She must’ve been scared shitless. Wouldn’t be at all surprised if she was being abused in that relationship.
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She escaped unscathed before she married him.
14 likesProbably wondering if shes next hes the type of person to do that.
8 likesI wouldn’t be surprised if she knew he had this in him and looked the other way
10 likesShe sounds so done with him already
5 likesShut your mouth, get a lawyer! Jeez, you are NOT going to talk your way out of trouble. No one ever has.
0 likesDoes she care about the poor kid?
0 likesHow does two handed take longer than one handed?
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Think about it, it takes longer to grab something with two hands if it’s further away from you because both of your hands have to reach for it even if it’s not a huge gap. Grabbing a pen with two hands vs one
1 like@Jojo well you wouldn't 'grab' it with two hands, just shoot it with two hands. why would you grab a handgun with two hands? and even so, how much extra time are we talking? a half of a second at most? he demonstrated how he shot, looks like it took less than a second as it was...
0 likes@jBone that’s true too! I hadn’t considered that part but in the video he said it takes longer to think about grabbing it with two hands, rather than instinctively grabbing it with one. I guess we’ll never know though :)
0 likes@Jojo lol yeah. The only reason it sticks out to me is because these days if you’ve had any gun training whatsoever you shoot with two hands automatically. All good, thanks for responding
1 likeI praise and respect Rhonda for her truthful backbone and not letting the love for him cloud her mind to down play or lie for him. She seriously dodged several bullets pun intended in this case, I hope she doesn't feel guilt and has moved forward to be with someone who does truly deserve her.
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Yeah I don't like that there's a few people her calling her weak and evil for staying with Michael. I pray a woman never confides in those people about abuse
23 likesHopefully it's a black guy. LoL
11 likes@Jax Mr dunns attitude is that of trying to compensate for lack of something, so if she did go for chocolate next she'd finally be adding for flavor to her life lol.
9 likesMaybe she didn't like him 😂
1 like@JuLi3B3AN Lawd 😭😭😭 y’all r too funny in this comment section sometimes 😂
6 likes@Erium add 30 to it, I can see how my youth can be misleading even to a "man" with glasses ✌️
4 likesThe way she admitted asking him to stop at the gas station to buy a bottle of wine makes me think she does feel guilty, in the sense that if she hadn’t asked him to stop, this wouldn’t have happened. Poor lady!
9 likes@Jax Muh Nigga ( in Denzels voice)
0 likesYou can tell she is emotionally pulling away from him from the very first audio clip. "I know.....I know.....I know.....".
1 like@Jilal Jahangir yo tbh i thought of this for a second. She is partly a reason of him fucking up only cus she asked for thag stupid fuckin bottle
0 likesOf wine. But he is responsibld for his own actions and he has to pay. But damn if she never asked for that bottle of wine.. maybe just maybe that kid would be live still .. think about it. This womans stupid idea caused a bad outcome cus he was put in a situation where he thought he had to react. Its fucked up . I dont like mike nor what he did nor condone it.
Yeah she did. I hope she heard about what Dunn did to his ex-wives.
0 likes42:20 I think he might've just seen the guys fucking seatbelt, even though I think the kid wasn't using his seatbelt... but he always says " a barrel" and the motion of like strapping it or something. So I just imagine this kid like pulling on his seatbelt to be able to further lean toward the window or something and shout at him and maybe he somehow saw that or wanted to see it like "Oh shit, thing looks like a barrel, I better start blastin'" - even still though, I think this guy was just waiting for an excuse where he can finally use his gun, "protect himself" or some shit like that.
0 likesIt's people like him that should never be allowed to even have a gawd damn gun.
Wow
0 likes43:34
0 likeslol usa has some wild gun laws
0 likesGotta feel for Rhonda. She was clearly way more distraught than him about this whole situation.
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Yeah, I feel for the poor woman. I hope she can recover from this.
10 likesOne person has empathy and the other does not. Womp womp.
1 like@mSa same. Can't imagine how she must have been/still be absolutely reeling.
2 likesBetter she find out now and maybe get an annulment.
2 likesIts interesting too, to see at end of the video when she's answering questions you see her looking at him with such disappointment. I wonder if she ever asked him to just give up his lie. She was not going along with his BS.
2 likesThe horrible thing here actually is that there are millions of men and women out there with the same hatred wanting to do this! Our broken system in America will probably continue to allow this happen for a millennia! How and when do honorable people answer back?
0 likesHe sounds like Ethan from h3
0 likesR.I.P. King the saints will remember all of them on The Messiah’s return.
0 likesWow
0 likesHe was so afraid for his life, he immediately went back to his hotel and ordered a pizza. I don’t know about you guys, but when I’ve just had a near death experience my first reaction is “hey, let’s eat!”
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Not to mention that he walked his dog too
101 likesCrazy!! And the fiancé just goes with him!!!!
21 likesYes eating is a stress reliever, it sucks that he had to call order and wait then tip...hehe
20 likesI'd be too terrified to eat pizza. How he could not realize he's about to be charged with murder is mind blowing. He really thought he was gonna get off Scott free
38 likes@Mike Tyson That my friend is called privilege of the white variety.
51 likesNot defending this dude, but I'm totally guilty of eating right after I narrowly avoided a head on collision.
28 likesHe knew it would be his last good pizza.
10 likesRight when something like that happens all ergency of hunger an useing the bathroom go out the window so he obviously didn't feel that way
4 likes@Mike Tyson He thought cos they were black they probably had an arsenal of weapons and drugs, not realising they're normal kids with loving families.
13 likes@Shan Greeryou seem smart haha
2 likesI love pizza 🍕😋
3 likesI peed myself, kinda embarrassed but was assured that it happens.
1 like@Mike Tyson I thought it was a smart thing to say..
5 likesEating after a traumatic experience is completely normal food tends to calm the nerves for alot of people
1 likeHahahaha
0 likesim so terrified of the scary black teenagers listening to music in their car 😢😢 not like that’s what teenagers fucking do or nothing
6 likes@bubsy oh no scary black kids listening to music .... And if i recon one of them had a stick! ..... A huge stick .... Or it was a butter knife? Wither way I was terrified 😢
7 likesNot defending him, but you truly won’t know how you act until it’s happened. He can’t be judged for normality straight after.
0 likesSpeaking from experience also
@Sirene Kalypso lol u bogus
0 likesEspecially because when the “fear for your life” part of your brain is very active your appetite is nonexistent
1 likeNever the wrong time for pizza 😎
1 like@Shan Greer yeah imagine being with someone who just shot someone because of loud music and doing as he says... Almost as if... You don't want to disobey out of fear. Who could have thought of that?
0 likes@Idontknow WhoIam That’s a fair point. It shows you shouldn’t judge situations unless you are in them.
0 likes@Shan Greer which probably is the reason she went along until police told her what happened and that there was no weapon in the car of the teens. Along with her being distinctively afraid
0 likes@Idontknow WhoIam You are right. I think the danger, and my mistake, is we often view other people’s experiences through our own lens. If you haven’t experienced something similar, you try to put yourself in the person’s shoes which is difficult. I have never seen someone killed and I have never been in a relationship with someone who would do that. From my perspective, I could not imagine getting into a car with a man who did that. After reading your post, I thought about it and in the shock of it all, I may well have gotten into the car. It’s hard to know what I would do and I hope I never have to make that decision.
0 likes@Shan Greer I'm glad you see it that way. In reality, "empathy" (in the supposedly"objective" way people talk about it as something you either have it so you completely feel others or you don't so your a narcissistic psychopathic killer) is a delusion. We always view everything through our own experience. And our experiences create a bias on what we will think of a situation that has no actual proof (like what someone is feeling). I've personally been in a situation where I was scared for my life being next to a psychopath who had a gun and I know that I acted as if everything was normal because I truly was scared I'd die. It's actually very common to repress negative emotions completely out of fear and pretend everything is normal in the stage of either denial or complete "fight or flight" mode.
0 likes@Shan Greer she must be scared speechless. Look at the man he's ruthless
0 likesHaha, same here. Pizza is the solution to everything. Didn't you hear? :)
0 likesif you're anxious and puke, you might want to eat to get food back in your body
0 likesDude knew he boutta go to jail so he had to have a good last meal
0 likes@Shan Greer yeah, how was she not charged as an accomplice?🤔
0 likes@Jeff No shame in that! I mean you survived so you might as well eat to keep it that way.
0 likesPizza time
0 likesNothing gets my appetite going like a near death experience
0 likesHe didn't know back then that he killed one blacky
0 likesAppetite is the first thing human being lack when there is a danger around...just saying
0 likesand then went to go walk his dog outside unarmed
0 likeshe feared for his life, he feared he was gonna starve to death, he is obviously really cautious person
0 likesDepends on what's on the pizza. Pepperoni? Hard-to-say. Ham-and-Pineapple? Guilty!
0 likesIt actually is a reasonable response to be hungry after something like that, but he just went about his day lol.
0 likes57:04 He is so orange
0 likesWhy does no one ever ask for a lawyer!? I just don't understand.
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Asking for a lawyer immediately arouses suspicion. And guilty people want to look as innocent as possible so don't lawyer up. There is your answer my good man
2 likes@Music-Is Great Yes but it's such a serious error. If you're in an interrogation room, they're already suspicious. 1) By law, you are not allowed as a prosecutor or a cop to use a person's right to silence against them. All you have to say is, I desire legal advice and will reserve my right to comment until I have taken said advice. Then, if the lawyer tells you to STFU, you simply tell them, that's what you are heeding 2) If you are guilty, and you think you are clever enough to have it over experienced detectives, good luck to you. But you WILL fail to convince them. Shit, most of the time they already have damning evidence against you. 3) Even if you are innocent, you could get snowed or brow beaten into a plea confession or say something that they'll use against you. The reason the right to silence exists is at least in part to avoid bullying or undue self-incrimination, which people sometimes do out of sheer inarticulation. Miranda warns suspects, anything you say can and WILL be USED AGAINST YOU in a court of law. Heed the advice folks :)
0 likesThe way his fiancee apologises and shuts down around him was enough for me to know that he was most likely an abuser. I don't blame her for a second for not covering for him. The interviews around this case paint a very bad picture of this man and I absolutely don't blame her. she did the right thing
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Why are you reaching? He's a stupid reckless possibly racist man. But what does his fiancé being shook at court (she clearly has anxiety from her speech and shaking) have to do with their personal relationship?
27 likesBecause she's intimidated by him. And judging from the crime this person just committed, and her testimony, there's high probable cause
43 likes@Tanner didn't you know everybody in these comments is God?
4 likesI noticed that too. She was too afraid to say anything in the car after the shooting... big red flag. I was the same with my abuser.... walking on eggshells to not upset him worse 😒
35 likesNo one is reaching here... of course we do not know for sure but it doesnt take a genius or God to see the red flags of abuse.
1000%
1 like@Alicia Taylor Don't get into relationships with abusers. I will never understand you type of people. Have more self respect for yourself and quit feeding those abusers egos by getting into relationships with them!
1 like@Quentin Wade Dugger People don't normally KNOW people are abusers when they get into relationships with them. Abusers will often wait until their partner is too emotionally invested in them, pregnant, financially dependent, married to them, etc. until they start showing signs of abusive behavior. Because by that point, the victim is already too invested in them to leave, or doesn't have the means to.
35 likesNobody WANTS to be abused and frankly it's a little victim blame-y to pretend like they do
Thats just conjecture and nothing more dude.
0 likesShe wasn't the first wife. You bet he was an abuser.
10 likes@Quentin Wade Dugger What do you mean by "you type of people"? Us survivors of domestic abuse don't inherently choose to be in that situation. Most of us don't even know our s/o was going to be abusive. They're charming, sweet, loving and loyal at first. Then little by little they break you down. It's a statement like this that makes it hard to share our stories, because it's "our fault" for being in that situation or it's "our fault" we let it happen. Trust me, it's a lot harder than you think.
14 likes@Quentin Wade Dugger bruh 💀💀💀 I need to know that you’re joking or we’re blasted when you wrote that
1 like@Quentin Wade Dugger oh my god!! if only they had thought of that before!! you just solved domestic violence. what a hero!
5 likesorrrrrrr she's a reasonable person who has to present herself in a stressful situation
0 likesshe was being honest to separate herself from her husband's actions so she didn't get dragged into the fray as well which is the smart thing to do
don't extrapolate your own personal narrative from reactions that can be interpreted multiple ways with the simplest answer of any reasonable person being under duress while in court where they're forced to speak
As a person that suffered from intimate partner violence for over 5 years, this woman's behavior is exactly how i acted as well. She loves but is terrified of him. I feel so bad for her.
2 likes@Quentin Wade Dugger 'you type of people'... Yup it's always the victims fault with dudes like YOU ain't it bro.
0 likesHe didn't mention being worried about Rhonda at all during the police interview, but in court, all of a sudden he's in tears about how worried he was about Rhonda.
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He did mention it in the interview
5 likesIn passing he mentioned it a couple of times. And yet mere hours after the accident he’s far less emotional than his recounting of it years later at the hearing
0 likesHe was crying about his dog too
0 likesIn so many of these cases, the shooter always looks stunned when they are asked hard questions about their choices. It's like they have been in a bubble of hate so long, he can't even recognize how inappropriate his actions were. Like they never thought or reflected on their own behavior bc the victims were black and that's where they want the story to stop. They were black, so I shot, bc I felt scared.
139 likesAnd the phone calls at the beginning show how he's in his own head so deep, it never, ever occurred to him that he was in the wrong by saying anything, especially the way we know he said it. This guy is someone who automatically thinks Blacks are dangerous criminals and that he must take a defensive stance from the getgo. During the interrogation when he is told that none of these kids have a single thing on their record, he looks unpleasantly shocked. Like he never, ever considered these to be normal teens doing normal teen stuff. In his eyes, they were criminals to be feared.
This man is a whiny baby who probably has never been forced to reflect on his actions and attitudes until now. And he obviously still doesn't get it.
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Agreed
10 likesAlso did you catch how he reacted when the black detective first spoke to him?
@YouTubers Out of Context the way he jumped like, oh no this N#### is talking to MEEE!?!?-
4 likesWell said friend.
2 likesIs it just me or does it seem like he might have been waiting for an "excuse" to do something like this?
2889 likesIt's hard to judge without being there and really knowing exactly what was said and done. But the way he talked in his original interview does make you wonder.
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Yeah... Why even bring a gun to a wedding...
134 likesNo it’s not just you, I think you’re right. He just needed the perfect opportunity and he found it with those boys.
119 likesWe all know, racism bleeds this country
196 likesI lot of people have watched this in the past 2 hours
20 likesThis seems like a case of one of those people who should not be allowed to carry a weapon. The cowardly but egotistical types that, if they didn’t have a gun, they wouldn’t start arguments or stick their business where it doesn’t belong. But, since they know they could easily scare or end a persons life, they don’t feel a need to hold back but also, know that the other person may have a weapon so, he will need to strike fast and ramp it up to 100 when 30 is what it’s at.
35 likesAnd, most dangerous of all, feel justified.
Yeah, I agree, it’s obvious what group of people he calls “animals” and “more of them”
53 likesHow he calls himself a victim
He was a ticking, racist time-bomb just waiting for the chance, the opportunity to kill
And he loved it, he clearly did, hope he rots in jail
@Jamie White your statement in itself asserts why you should NEVER be issued a CCL 😉
13 likesYeah. There’s a whole type of person who drives around all day with their gun praying for a strand your ground scenario.
19 likesLook at that dude in Texas who shot the people in his neighbors house after being told not to 14 times and becoming a celebrity there
Definitely, the American gun "culture" is so twisted that I think a good portion of gun owners belong in that category of people... And they're the ones that are the loudest when it comes to protesting stricter laws concerning guns, they KNOW they would be deemed unfit to have guns if a psych eval was required for a permit.
17 likesHim mentioning that he has military friends showing how to hold the gun, to me, tells me that he romanticized having to use his gun in some way. I feel like he wanted to have his "Hero" or "moment of greatness"
20 likesHe seems like the main character in Nobody
1 likeNah he definitely was. Reminds me of that other guy in Florida who went up to a woman parked in a handicap spot and starting yelling at her to move. Her husband came out, pushed the guy away and ever so slowly the guy took out his gun and shot the man even as he backed away.
13 likesIf I had to guess it's because the SYG law combined with the perception of young black men makes these old white dudes think "well i'll never go to jail for this'.
Sad thing is lots of people think like this. Good thing is not all of them have guns.
@babykrul here in New Hampshire someone came into a wedding and shot people. The wedding might not be the only place I plan on going, and things don’t always go according to plan, carrying a gun is about always having it, not when you think you might need it.
6 likesIt's not just you. He seems like the kind of person to fantasize about a burglar breaking into his home and then killing him in an over the top fashion
9 likes@BroudbrunMusicMerge that’s the thing. I don’t think the evidence was in his favor because there wasn’t much evidence at all. Knowing the kind of person he is, and knowing he was instructed by police not to follow, but did, and with only his testimony to go on because no witnesses, I don’t think it was a JUST ruling, just a legal one. But I believe he did it and lied, as he’s proven himself to be a liar.
10 likesEven being acquitted doesn’t mean people gotta defend him. It’s like bringing OJ to meet your wife or letting Casey Anthony babysit. They weren’t found guilty but...
It does seem so imo. He has a gun with him. I think he might have thought that he'd get away with it if it happened far from home and it was quickly in and out. I don't know if the boys ethinicity had anything to do with it. I kind of get the creepy feeling that he just wanted to kill somebody.
5 likes@Trash King the Mighty Ruler of Garbage Town I know why they call you trash king now 😅
0 likes@Gabriel Rodriguez why did the Martin's mom file trademark applications for 2 slogans containing her sons name? 🤔
1 likeAnd that's why you don't pre-judge someone unless you want to be arrested on possibly doing something one day.
0 likes@vic you haven't been outside of the US and your comment proves that fact. Been to Europe, Africa, the Caribbean, Middle East, and Asia. Racism is EVERYWHERE. Lmfao step outside.
4 likes@Matt Beaudet That’s true though, you’re right. Here in Europe nobody has guns, most average policemen don’t even have guns (rather a bat and zapper thingy as weapons) so the whole idea of bringing a gun, let alone to a wedding, just baffles me. School shootings don’t exist here, no school has gates here and anyone can walk in and out, the only thing we worry about is terrorist attacks at big events. But they are not ‘our’ people. Just the idea of your average Joe carrying a gun and being able to kill someone at any given time, I just can’t comprehend with it. Must be a difficult thing to live around guns, I guess people get desensitized to it? Idk. Very fascinating and difficult topic.
4 likes@Gregor Heisenhorn Are you celebrating someone being raped while in custody? Thats some inhumane war crime type stuff my guy.
1 like@Dan Silver To try and prevent people from making money off of the slogans with his name. Why did you ask a simple question that would’ve taken you two seconds to google and get an answer? 🤔
6 likesNope not just you. Seemed like he had some built up anger/resentment
1 like@David Fence Whoa there bud! You gonna take on the WHOLE comment thread? You're so brave!
2 likesI would love to know how I am bigoted though. Explain more, please.
@babykrul I see you’re side, and I’m happy you share a personal viewpoint because that helps me put myself into your shoes. Guns can be scary, you’re definitely right, but so can knives, bats, cars, etc. A gun is a tool just like a hammer is a tool, they both serve specific roles, and they can both be repurposed to cause harm to another human being. My point with that is I’m more afraid of people than I am afraid of objects, if someone wants to cause harm it doesn’t matter if they have an AR15 or a knife, they are going to cause some sort of harm. Not trying to be naive and say someone with a knife is more deadly than a man with a gun either, but I think you get my core point. To be honest, almost any average Joe can completely snap and kill someone with almost anything, watch some videos on Active Self Protections channel, he has a plethora of attacks on innocent people and it puts your vulnerability, and the fact that one short moment can truly be your last into perspective.
3 likesAs far as desensitized? I’d disagree. Firearms are such a large part of both American History, and American Culture, and in a lot of areas they are what bring a lot of people together.
Last note. I understand terrorist in your country are not “your people”, isn’t that all the more reason to want the most elite form of self protection against enemies both foreign and domestic? You’re absolutely right that this is an awesome topic for discussion, I’ve been around them my entire life, I’m assuming you’ve never held one, but we can still talk and express our opinions!
The biggest indicator for me is when he lies about the music being on when they pulled in. He says it was not on when he pulled in which several witnesses, including his fiancée, disputed that claim. Makes me feel like he heard the loud rap music and intentionally pulled next to that vehicle hoping that an altercation would occur so that he could open fire on the vehicle.
4 likes@Montè If he wanted to shoot the vehicle, wouldn't he have just done it? I agree that he might have used his gun as an excuse to not de-escalate the situation (stayed in it too long), but I don't think this was racially motivated. Unfortunately he set a terrible example for concealed carry.
0 likesI was thinking the same thing.
0 likes@David Fence whats wrong with his comment tho? since he doesnt know much about other countries, should he claim as if he does?
1 like@zfJames I didn’t once say this was racially motivated? I said I believe he heard the loud rap music, made an assumption that people who listen to “thug” music (as he called it) are thuggish and assumed he would be able to get into an altercation and use his gun in self defense. As a ccw holder I can say this is not a bad example of concealed carry. This is cold blooded murder. He knew those kids did not pose a threat but shot at them anyway simply because he wanted to.
6 likes@Montè I think we're on the same page then. My reason in saying it sets a bad example is because it makes the rest of CCW holders look like they are just waiting to murder someone. Is this guy a murderer? Absolutely, quite literally.
4 likes@Higai I only agree cause he actually bought a pizza after that . Crazy
1 likeHe spent a whole minute bragging about how he practices pulling a gun on someone all the time, by his military friends.
4 likesI would bet a lot that he was dreaming of the time he would be able to shoot a man legally.
@LongLiveSmoove iiiiiii
0 likesEveryone says this all the time
0 likesLol born in raised in Duval county.... what they don't tell you is the innocent boys drove off.... they had a gun... sweet Jordan. Yeah right... duuuuvalll😅
1 like@Jen M yes the child attacked him. They could never explain after the incident when the boys drove off where they go? They were ditching a gun. Zimmerman was attacked. I'm from Duval County Mr Jordan wasn't no innocent little boy period and being from Duval County you're right there were probably racist present. And they were in the Durango. Facts
2 likes@babykrul gun stays in my car especially in Duval County. Those boys weren't innocent. There's always been something wrong with that chase there's always been a time frame missing time frame in which they disposed of a gun. Sweet little angels blaring their trashy vulgar music LOL there is a missing time frame that this case they ditched a gun. Don't care what anybody says I'm from Duval County I know those were notb sweet angels in that Durango that night
1 like@babykrul Well, that is a moot point. When i used to carry, i was armed 24/7 unless it would earn me a felony, but besides that absolutely this man just wanted to shoot someone.
2 likesI have this same exact thought with gun owners/self-defense psychos. Why buy something for a couple thousand dollars and not want to use it or carry it around?
0 likes@Logan Serbus Theres nothing wrong with carrying, or owning weapons. There is everything wrong with this mans psyche and discipline, and saying that owning a firearm and/or carry permit makes somebody psychotic is just not a rational statement.
4 likes@Alexander Erickson If I gave you a pencil, the act of drawing or writing something is much more probable than if I never gave you a writing utensil in the first place. The same logic applies here. If I gave you a firearm, the probability of a violent incident resulting in death/injury is much higher than if I didn't. Everybody, and I MEAN EVERYBODY has there off-days or bad days.
3 likesThere is certainly nothing wrong with carrying/owning firearms, you are correct. It's the individuals who choose to do so that worry me. That was my point and logic.
Dude was ready... I got the exact same vibe.
0 likes@SCORTEX he wanted to be clint eastwood he wanted to be seen as some kind of hero who saved the day against some armed thugs.
2 likesYa know I've pondered on this thought the 1st time I watched this. But not that he was actively/consciously waiting everyday for this kind of thing to show up, but more along the lines of his subconscious waiting for this moment.
0 likesLike a sort of pride thing. Just the thought engulfing him on the inside almost dormant. But when the moment arises, he knew what time it was. His moment to shine if you will. Fascinating thought FOR SURE.
He surely used to drive around and see 'people like that' and tell himself they're the people who would shoot him for something minor. Now he's in prison and gets to remember every day he was the 'thug' and 'killer'
2 likesThat's what I think. He didn't enter that parking lot thinking this would happen. It was just spur of the moment, yet at the same time built up over time as a result of his wanting to have a chance to do this
2 likesAll from that demographic are always looking for an excuse.
1 likeYes. I mean why would you even bother to ask for the music to be turned down when you are likely to be in and out of the place in 10 minutes.
1 like@Bonnie so you're a hypocrite then. well done, you just played yourself.
0 likes@Joey johnson
3 likesGot any proof for that?
That guy didn‘t even know himself clearly what he ‚saw‘ , no one elese saw what he ‚saw‘ and he was caught lying and he didn’t even act slightly scared according to his fiance, so there is no reason to believe that these boys did anything harmful to anyone.
That‘s just blatant racism from your side it seems.
@bobby ray of the family smith unfortunately you’re not lying when you say there are those exact fat white dudes that dream about a self defense shooting in their favor. Here in America we are the “melting pot” and we have hundreds of cultures and ethnicity’s blending into one, so to say it’s mainly white middle aged men that are the threat to general society, I’d disagree. Regardless, I carry a gun, and those people that are intentionally looking for trouble are the reason why. That genuinely scares me that there’s people both with, and without firearms, that want to start trouble strictly as an excuse to cause harm to somebody else and “get away” with it. Or those people that want to just cause harm to other people. I absolutely never wish to use my firearm on another person, ever, for any reason at all. I’m mainly a hunter and hunt for the purpose of feeding myself in an independent way, so my firearms do serve me a utility as well. There are extremists within every culture, religion, etc in the world, don’t let the few assholes in the firearm community portray an image for us all.
2 likes@babykrul what? You should bring it everywhere and also he said it was in his car
0 likesdoes waiting for an excuse count as premeditated?
0 likes@Jamie White
0 likesI am honestly not sure how to respond to this.
Instead of this being the case of a racist abusing his right to keep and bear arms to violate another persons right to life.
It has to be about how people advocating or being in favor of shall issue conceal carry licenses - fantasize about committing murder and getting away with it.
It is especially interesting and noteworthy that - what may for all intent and purpose to be considered - defamation of gun owners or gun rights people. That this is done by the same type of person to go on about how we need "common sense" gun control laws. That being you.
But hey, if dehumanizing gun rights advocates helps makes you feel better and helps to put your mind at ease.
Then be so be it.
I quite frankly consider such defamatory remarks to be irrelevant to the video in question and the gun control debate as a whole.
A more productive discussion would have been to argue the point shall issue gun ownership makes violent crime more deadly and that shall issue public carry leads to an increase in a per capita increase in violent crime.
Then again, anecdotes - which this case study really is - are more emotionally engaging that cold, hard data... that being boring.
All this gun rights stuff isn’t nearly as big a problem in other countries as it is down in the states, because Americans have an entitled attitude about freedom and that anything they don’t like is the end of the world. The rest of the world sees things as privileges, America sees everything as a right and it’s stubborn and petty because of it
0 likes@Jamie White
1 likeI do agree that there what is considered an individuals right - especially concerning gun ownership - is vastly different in America then Europe and most of the rest of the world.
Your disagreement with an individuals right to keep and bear arms is not what I take issue with.
The problem is when you make the claim - without evidence of any sort - that a majority of people who conceal carry firearms in public.
Do so, not because they sincerely believe that only they themselves are responsible for their own safety - or because they are concerned about the possibility of being unable to defend themselves with their fists against a knife or bat or group of attackers.
No, instead you go on to argue that - people who conceal carry do so because they, well - "simply want to act upon their twisted fantasize of killing people".
That is the issue.
I yet to share my view on gun laws or the public carrying of firearms by civilians.
Because I do not consider it to be all that important to this disagreement.
I believe in an individuals right to keep and bear arms - which includes shall issue purchase, manufacture and public carry.
I think that open carry - as opposed to concealed carry - is (in a large majority of instances) actually braindead, bordering on retarded.
I am fundamentally opposed to pre-emptively restricting and individuals freedom for the sole reason that said freedom can be misused. Even if that misuse can constitute the violation of another person right to life.
This is what European and non-American gun laws are - you cannot argue this point.
What we disagree about if such a preemptive restriction of an individuals freedom is justified.
And this is where we have to agree to disagree.
TL;DR
I know that you are probably upset that a raging racist murdered and tried to murder several black teenagers. Fine, I dislike that to.
Yet harping and defaming people who wish and do carry firearms concealed as bloodthirsty or trigger happy... does not leave me with a fresh of cold mint.
I don't know man, knowing joggers it seems a LOT more reasonable that they actually said "you dead bitch" and him in a panic shooting them than their story (him taking his gun, showing them how he loads it like in a bad movie and then fucking up his whole life over loud music)....
3 likesAgreed. It all screams perfect situational racism. Except the science and evidence (and witnesses) don't work in his favour.
2 likes@bobby ray of the family smith that could very well be... oh man.
0 likes@babykrul self defense in case for the hotel or the ride but this dude especially the way he described the way he pulled the gun was clearly looking for a moment to be some action star
1 like@Jamie White majority of gun owners hope they don't pls don't speak on an a negative minority of people has if it's the whole
2 likeswell, why is this man under trial? A software engineer, big brain man, taken from his freedom for 4 lowlifes good at nothing at they are as they are? Well done America, well done. Continue to defend the 'usual suspects" and nothing will remain out of your country. You see the signs already.
1 like@LongLiveSmoove Wasn’t that guy that got shot a white guy? That dude shot that poor guy just because he was looking for a reason though. He was yelling at the dudes wife with the kids in the car and ended up getting his butt kicked a little bit and ended up killing that guy because he is a coward.
1 like@Legiamas he had the chance to lower the music down, isn't it? it had the chance to not provoke and disrespect a man when is with his woman? Isn't it? It is hard to accept facts and numbers and realities in your country. Until when? Because of these people you are already down, don't you see that? Really? We in Europe reject all that is coming in media/news/movies/TV series from US, the antiwhite propaganda that is.
1 like@viralshield he did lower the music, the shooter and everyone who was there corroborated this. I’m not with the anti white bs, most people aren’t. The reality is that a guy blasted a teen over music because he felt like it, not because he was provoked. What part of Europe are you even from, France?
0 likes@Eren Yeager all the 4 kids were black. Jordan Davis was the one who got shot and killed. Orrrrrr not, I’m thinking of this, you’re talkin about a Florida shooting lol
1 likeDriving around with a loaded gun whilst intoxicated does not sound like the actions of a well person. Feel so sorry for the young man and his loved ones. He shouldn’t of even been driving, it would have been more sensible to get a taxi.
0 likes@vic 2
0 likesAbsolutely. Even the way he talked about them and justified literal murder
0 likes@Montè
0 likesAgreed. This man is a murderer, who wanted to kill not one of them but all of them. He shot at all 4 of them. He did not seek cover, he got out of his car and started shooting at them. He shot at them as they were FLEEING. He fired 10 rounds at them. If the music was loud enough for him to ask them to turn it down, there's no way he could understand their conversation. Even if he could, being threatened is not a valid reason to open fire on a group of people.
The real problem here is, why was this bloodthirsty monster the only one with a gun? Why was no one there to stop him? That young man's life could have been spared if just one decent carrier, officer or civilian, had been present.
def, he also abused his ex wives, threatened one with a gun, and talked about putting a hit on someone who annoyed him. pure evil.
2 likesthe old saying, when you've got a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
1 likeI agree, I thought that as well... It felt like he needed an excuse
0 likes@Matt Beaudet That is so fascinating. Thank you for this info! Indeed never had such a conversation with someone that has experience with/around guns that is not a soldier. (I assume:) I agree that the person makes the weapon, maybe Europeans have a different vision on gun control because guns seem so far away from reality here. Also, schools and public buildings are way smaller here, there are more of them spread throughout the country (Netherlands btw), making your local supermarket/mall/etc. excessible by bike, no matter where in the country you live. I think buildings and areas where people come together feel safer because it all feels local and not as places where everyone from the country can gather, but I can connect to what you’re saying because the fear is still there at gas stations on the side of the highway, airports, etc. Thinking of how big your country is (I believe the Netherlands is about the size of a single state) and how many vastly different ways of living there can be, from very rural places to modern cities, makes sense things are really different. Doesn’t mean all is well in our country: a while ago people have been setting 5G towers on fire as a protest, and the moment the government decided on a temporary curfew due to covid, they set cars and stores on fire. People are weapons indeed! Thanks for this enlightening info. Quite special to have an open conversation like this in the youtube comments! :)
1 like@Scotsman if that were true, there'd be a lot more than ~15k deaths by gun every year
0 likesHe wanted an excuse to throw his life away sure.
0 likes100%…!!!!! I knew some people that were part of very high profile double murder that made international news a while back. Although I didn’t know the people very closely, but knew them well enough, I predicted that something like this was going to happen… and unfortunately, it did, and for the dumbest reason ever (which is why it made international news). Although I don’t know this guy from Adam, I get the same type of vibe from him……
0 likesHe may be a racist , but we don’t know the dialogue that went on between those two cars.. they may have been egging him on and talking shit to him.. they were young and he told them to turn the music down.. they could have been talking shot and trying to egg him on, maybe even acting like they had a gun, but he fired way too many shots even after they were fleeing the scene.. it’s so hard to speculate not being there first hand
0 likesyes
0 likesAbsolutely
0 likes@vic ikr? It’s disgusting. Amazing to me how ignorant and simple minded people are. So unwilling to accept change. Life is about change.
2 likesKids in the hood find an excuse everyday..
1 like@Gabriel Rodriguez you're telling me this wacko is suing the family and signing confederate flags??
0 likes@Matt Beaudet it’s no use bro. People are dead set on their beliefs.
1 like@Montè maybe they were listening to “Thuggish ruggish Bone” by Bone Thugz
0 likes@Logan Serbus your ignorance on fire arms shows.
0 likes@Jamie White hahahaha we have an entitlement to freedom? That’s a bad thing? Hahahahahahahahaha
0 likes@The Truth will come out! people on here act like this case isn’t an outlier.
0 likesit does
0 likes@SCORTEX either way, still fucked ip
0 likesThey always are looking for an excuse to shed some lead. Hopefully they'll get enough in their rear end in prison
1 like@a-a-ron jupp.
0 likes@babykrul maybe because its a shotgun wedding. :|
0 likes@vic yea towards white people
0 likesIt's not waiting for an excuse, it's called being prepared. These people are ruthless.
0 likes@babykrul people leave handguns in there vehicle
0 likes@babykrul dude, no guns at a wedding?! That's like going hunting without liquor!...
2 likes@babykrul I’m not a solider, just a 23 year old civilian who’s grown up around guns. I live in a small state, lot of woods and back country towns, yes we have a few “cities” here but the vast majority of my state is woods/open land/mountains. I went to a private high school and graduated with 98 kids, the city high school had a graduating class of 600-700 kids, small for American standards.In my state as long as you’re legally able to own a firearm, you can carry one both openly and concealed without a permit. It sounds wild, especially with me mentioning a shooting taking place at a wedding, but the gun violence in New Hampshire is extremely low. It’s majority people like myself. And people that do want to cause harm/criminals taking advantage of people, it’s that much more discomforting to them knowing basically anyone could be carrying a gun. Again our culture isn’t 100% right and I’m not saying our way of life is what’s best for all, but I think the media gives it a lot worse of a rap than it really should. They really like to demonize people like myself in the media and it’s very disheartening and upsetting because it portrays such a poor image on a community of people that’s is majority full of great people who help each other and their communities. Also thank you for your information as well! Times are tough and it’s so easy to be harsh to each other, but talking to another human and trying to place yourself in their shoes and see their viewpoint is a lot more rewarding!
0 likes@zamoragiloz you feel entitled to everything and think it’s about freedom. In no other country are gun rights this controversial, every time someone tries to change something you say it’s about your freedoms to use guns and your god given right and stuff but it’s not, it’s a privilege
0 likesI agree, I feel like he saw their race and looked for any small thing to set it off. There are people who are hidden racists, and he's definitely one of them. He automatically registered them in his mind as thugs because they listen to rap music and they're black.
0 likesthe fact that he called it “thug music” immediately made me feel that this was not a spur of the moment thing. he obviously had a hatred for black people and was waiting to act on it.
1 like@Jamie White you are so spot on
0 likes@viralshield Tell me this: Are all men created equal? Because the fact that you don't belive this means you are no longer welcome here.
1 like@Daniel Miller 1 shot was too many. If you have random people shit talking you in the parking lot, your response is to leave.
1 like@David Fence what?
0 likes@Jonas Strzyz somehow that one was longer than the last one lol
0 likesLetting people own handguns is stupid, with your logic people should be allowed to deal drugs, because it’s about freedom not safety to you. Guns are cool, and I’m sure they’re fun to own and shoot, but if your rights end where someone else’s begin then why should you be allowed to carry a lethal weapon around with you everywhere you go, I get there’s a hero here and there that uses it for good but how many people are murdered, killed by suicide or robbed with them for those few incidents. Think of how many incidents you’ve had where you’re like “darn wish I had a gun right now”. Your logic is pretty backwards, and yeah I do think the people who feel the need to carry guns around do fantasize about being heroes and defending themselves, not everyone is going to kill someone to feel like that obviously but there’s definitely some James Bond feelings associated with carrying a gun around, you’re pretty much never going to need a gun and much more often non-lethal would be better, if you insist on guns so much then use a beanbag shotgun I don’t care, there are cops now you don’t need to be a vigilante like it says in the constitution. Times have changed from 300 years ago
@Allison Foster on which comment lol
0 likes"Letting people own handguns is stupid,"
0 likesI disagree
"with your logic people should be allowed to deal drugs,"
Yes, at least in the US.
I grew up in Germany and lived in Sweden for more than half my life. In both of these countries there is an agreement among the majority of citizens that the government has a duty to care for its people. Care is not viewed as limited to a military, the police and courts. No, it is extended and includes matters, such as tax payer funded education and healthcare.
As such the those countries have an interest in preventing keeping their people healthy.
Consuming fast food and sodas on a regular basis is not healthy. Doing drugs recreationally is also not healthy. Thus I have a lot less of an issue with the government saying. "No you cannot put 50% sugar by weight in a baked product and call it bread." and "No, you cannot deal and/or use drugs.
Though I do not consider prison for mer drug use to be a justified form of punishment - if said use did not pose a danger to others people or the public.
In the US, this same notion and general expectation that healthcare should be taxpayer funded - does not apply. To extent that it exists, it does not appear to be a majority opinion.
"because it’s about freedom not safety to you." Exactly, this where you will have to agree to disagree.
"but how many people are murdered,"
Good question, have you done the math or speculated as to how low the murder rate per capita in the US would be, was firearms ownership not on a shall issue basis?
"killed by suicide"
when it comes to suicide, ownership of handguns or the carrying of firearms in public is irrelevant to this discussion.
As someone who has actually been suicidal for extended periods of my life - I do not think that I had my father owned a rifle but not a handgun, that I would have gone.
"Darn it, I really want to fucking not live, but aiming the rifle at my head is just to much of a bother, so I will not end my own existence - which is agonizing and miserable."
I honestly do not know as to who would ever think such a thought.
Teen suicide rates can be reduced by implementing safe storage laws - which, if they do not violate DC. vs Heller 2008, or put an undue burden on the gun owner, I support.
"or robbed with them for those few incidents."
This is actually interesting, because you mention armed robbery. In Sweden - this does not apply to Germany to anywhere near the same extent.
There is this thing commonly reffered to as "knivlagen" directly translated into "knifelaw" - yes, Swedish grammar allows for that.
The short of this is that a civilian carrying a knife, pepper spray, baton, two by four, hammer, crowbar, baseball bat or similar item without a valid reason - self defense not being considered one - has committed a crime.
I do not believe that it is particularly difficult to conceal a hammer, butcher knife, clever, machete or hammer and then rob someone with it.
I also have a hard time believing that people who get robbed in Sweden go like - ah, well, he only has a knife so I am totally going to be able to defend myself and not get seriously injured. In fact, one could make the argument that being robbed with a gun makes the victim less prone to defend themselves - which reduces the chance of the victim getting injured.
If you concern is that when the victim gets injured, that it is more likely to be seriously injured, then I would have to agree.
However, your characterization of "conceal carries" - which does that include me? - is really uncharitable, it also does not exactly help your case of "common sense" gun laws. When you just insulted the person who you are arguing against that they carry their firearms because they are "just itching to pull the trigger", because they "just want to get into a shootout and emerge victorious".
I would recommend watching Paul Harrel, Carl Cassandra from InrangeTV, Ian McCollum from Forgotten Weapons. The first has a lot of military and firearms experience and has actually been involved in a shooting, while the latter two both conceal carry and a quite respectable individuals of the gun community, as much as dislike that term.
The fact that he identified the kid who was talking crap to him, yet was willing to endanger the lives of three other minors by shooting 10 times, shows that he really wanted to hurt them before they said a word to him because of their "thug music" and the fact that he called himself the victor to his wife also proves this. If he was brave enough to get out of his car, why didn't he signal to the kid and say "you right there, get out, imma kick your ass" but the truth is that he made up his mind to shoot someone soon after he pulled into the parking lot.
7 likesthe amount of times this man said "you are dead bitch" is so ridiculous.
9 likesthis man truly got what he deserved.
taking the life of a 17 year old kid. it is just so sad man
The editing on this is amazing.... The way JCS tells the story in chronological order using the testimony of the witnesses -- KUDOS!!!
9 likesI can just imagine the “Oh, crap!” moment when Dunderhead first saw the black detective coming to participate in his questioning. Makes me smile a little, despite the tragedy of his murder of an innocent kid. I doubt he would have said anything had that been loud rock or country music and a carload of white kids.
12 likesWe miss your great video analysis JCS. I hope you return one day very soon.
7 likesThis guy … who is the narrator, has the best ability to get you involved and interested with what we all deal with daily.People and more people. He can explain what most of us feel from everyday, shooting the shit with anyone any given moment! I absolutely love his narrative and physiology with what the person is all about as your watching! Number one!
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@Just A Fan You get brain aneurysms reading college textbooks.
0 likesHe said it was self defense - but the guys were in their car... driving away?
8 likesHe's obviously the victim here... of a bad case of narcissism.
these guys just dig themselves deeper and deeper with every question, glad this guy didn't but maaan the number 1 thing I have learned from this channel is to get a lawyer whether you're guilty or innocent
2 likesThis guy shows more emotion when he talked about his stupid dog more than taking someone’s life! Disgusting. His sentence is well deserved! My condolences to the family.
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Chill. Dont insults dog like that
13 likesWho cares about thugs lives and gangsters ?
1 likeWhy would you insult an innocent dog?
3 likesIt’s true, like I read in the comments, this interview is def more interesting & REVEALING than all of the current “true crime” tv shows. As for the “fictional dramas”, they can’t write dialogue as bold as this “actual” person because NO ONE would believe it & because NO ONE would watch it. It’s hard for me to comprehend that this is a “REAL LIFE” man.
4 likes" I heard the loud music and didn't wanna deal with it" that statement speaks volumes in this case.
5 likesThe police, lawyers, judge, witnesses, jury & victims in this video: there was no weapon in the car, none of the kids had a criminal record nor was Mr. Dunn threatened with death
12 likesSome people in the comments still : a bunch criminal thugs threatened to shoot this man to death
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He's a wacist and im not and i want everyone in YT comments to know that!
0 likesI can’t believe it. Thankfully I’ve only read one dude’s comments say stuff like that. Or woman. Women can be POS too.
0 likesRhonda's a hero ❤
5 likesFeel bad she had to go through this
Listening to this guys own lie’s is pathetic.
4 likesWhat a total shame!
so unnecessary!
He’s always just been a ticking time bomb waiting to go off.
So common this situation so unjustified thought he was bigger than the law.
What's the big deal with loud music? He was only going to be there a minute or two. He's obviously a very angry and dangerous man. He probably thought he'd get away with it especially cause those poor guys were black.
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he just needed a reason. i swear some people that do this just go out looking for a chance to murder in “self defense”.
0 likes@Slop King That's what happens when people are allowed to walk around with guns, they have extra confidence to start trouble because they are armed but America does not see its own foolishness which is at this point blatant to the world.
3 likesThat man is so evil . Prayers for these kids and their families and his family . 😢
4 likesThat jail phone call almost sounds scripted and he made sure to get it all in, despite Rhonda trying to stop him, since he knew he was being recorded. He knows the truth of what he did and may not care but is clearly aware that he killed an innocent kid.
1 likeThis woman is too damn wholesome <3 love it
3 likesI am completely dumbfounded. How can anyone hold so much hatred for an innocent group of people?
2 likesIt's best to just ignore these kinds of things, finish your business and leave the area. It's not worth screwing up your whole life over because that is what will happen. You can't win with these kinds of situations ever.
1 likeDoes anybody else find it amusing and ironic that @15:35 out of all the expressions he could’ve used, he chose to say “I thought live and let live”. Because he didn’t live and let live at all. He shot into a car full of unarmed people.
3 likesI love the call in the intro. Rhonda doesn't want to hear him continue talking because she knew what he was saying was bullshit. Or maybe not. But that's what makes me happy.
3 likesSo glad I'm seeing more of your videos recommended!! I wondered where they all went.
0 likesThat is so fd up that he barely can hide his smile when the officer says they re lucky that only one out of four was shot and they all could ve been hit. As he is imagining that in delectation. This is sickening... hatred at its worst
0 likesThey also (Cops) KNOW how to talk their way outta “these situations”...they’ve DONE this so many times, they have a whole protocol for it. It’s so obvious to them he’s said the wrong things...
1 likeRhonda you brave woman.
0 likesSuch a shame she has to go through this
I've never been as scared as I got when that teenager pulled out a possibly real stick and tried to maybe get out of his car...
1 likeHe might of had a chance if he had only shot one or two times and stayed at the scene or at least called from the hotel. His shooting 12 times and at a retreating car is the deciding factor here I think.
1 likeIt’s ironic how he calls em thugs when he was the only one acting like one🤷🏻♂️
7 likesThis woman has the morals to tell the truth even when it would incriminate her husband. She's a keeper.
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Fiancé i think. Luckily they weren't married lpl
46 likesNah, she is NOT a keeper. I mean im glad he's in prison he deserves it, but nah
48 likesThat is quite the opposite of a keeper.
68 likesA woman with her heart in the right place dedicated to justice even if its her own husband, or maybe, especially when its her own husband / fiance, hell yeah she's a keeper, just not for this guy to keep.
196 likesIf you think she's the opposite, you are looking for an accomplice, not a wife.
@John Walker then dont innocently shoot teenagers? The point was the woman knew the guy was wrong, why support a murderer? If the situation was more nuanced and the murder was "justified" in any sense, she probably wouldnt have "ratted" him.
45 likes@John Walker apparently not considering he's in jail and her morals were lawful
7 likes@John Walker she wasn't forced, and she shouldn't have been - dude was waiting for years just to whip his pistol out and bust some shots.
18 likesThat much was clear, if its racially motivated Ill leave out of the debate but highly likely.
Also, should I ever marry a woman, we would have a mutual understanding of what our perception of moral is, so if you are a healthy person with a functioning brain a similar situation would never happen, since you would never get caught up in something so foolishly stupid.
If you expect the love of your life to get herself in trouble for your bullshit then thats a wrong on your side lol.
It's called integrity. Yep.
11 likesIf she was a keeper she'd be married long time ago. Looks like she settled for this pos. Anyway glad this guy was caught.
3 likesShe's not honest despite the truth incriminating her partner, she's honest because not telling the truth would incriminate her too.
8 likesUnlike men
1 likeor is she? :D
0 likesshe's the exact opposite of a keeper...i want a woman who would help me bury a body
2 likes@simon lloyd wow
0 likes@Mo Hamed its wrong to protect predators and murderers. Relation to the killer means nothing.
1 like@Sean Matthew King HIS ACTIONS threw him in jail not his fiance
4 likesNot her husband. She may have needed a way out, mentions “knowing how he gets” and how she didn’t really want to bother him about what had happened... living in fear. No one should live like that but people do get trapped sadly :( glad she got away... he could have realised how much shit he was in and gone on a rampage or killed her the dog and then himself! Thankfully not.
1 like@Sanka Plays wooooah, just laid down the LAWWWW that was epic
0 likesUhh glad to see that some of your videos are being put back up!!!!
4 likes"I really didn't know I was being charged with murder and attempted murder. That sucks." Valid reaction
2 likesThe victim’s mom, Lucy McBath, is now a politician working to end gun violence. RIP to Jordan Davis and kudos to his mother for all she’s done to prevent gun violence since his tragic death
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I remember when she won the congress seat in the election last year. I was so happy for her
91 likesWhat’s the plan to end gun violence then?
25 likesRobert Gaudet Gun control. Stricter laws that don’t let just anyone go up to a walmart and buy a weapon. Must be only available to people that have received extensive training and gone through regular mental health checks. So many countries have this, I don’t understand how the same can’t be done in the US
101 likesLol. Sisyphean effort on her part
3 likes@cryomancer the second amendment is the easy reason, but the real reason is that theres just not broad support amoungst the electorate for the policies you describe.
11 likes@Don Quasebarth It baffles me that the majority of Americans genuinely aren't more supportive of gun control laws and policies.
58 likes@cryomancer I think our Constitution has a section most others lack. Iraq, for instance, has a carbon copy of our Constitution just missing one part. Guess which part.
17 likes@cryomancer so the plan is to amend the Constitution. Good luck with that.
14 likesRobert Gaudet have no idea what your point here is, but gun safety laws don’t violate the 2nd amendment in the slightest. People would still have access to guns, but only trained, responsible and mentally stable people.
47 likes@Zarquon Z we have thousands of gun control laws in this country, and any further restrictions pose a significant burden on law abiding citizens with no demonstrable net reduction in violent crime. They also, like the nfa that already exists, largely artificially raise the cost of arms, putting them out of reach of the poor and lower middle class. This very much disproportionately restricts the ability of minorities to obtain defensive weapons, while still allowing the wealthy to do whatever they want.
50 likesYour efforts would go a lot further in saving lives if you focused on disrupting inner city hood culture, without negatively impacting 100 million people that are never going to hurt anyone with their guns. Guys like michael Dunn are an outlier, and the one or 2 cases like his a year are not a reason for broad restrictions for the public at large. Charging the guy with murder is the proper response.
@cryomancer you already have to pass a background check to get a gun.. you can't walk into Walmart and buy a just "buy a gun" maybe you should educate yourself a bit.
33 likesI left out a part on accident.
15 likesOur defensive use of firearms is over 1000% higher than crimes done with guns.
@Cryomancer Insulting a position you disagree with by mocking their perceived political affiliation is childish at best, and extremely laughable in pretty much every scenario. You'll get nowhere with people who don't exactly believe what you believe by belittling them and acting like you have the moral high ground because you happen to support the "correct" political party. People like you are why there is such a huge division in our country. You don't respect, nor seemingly have the ability to listen to someone else say something that you don't agree with. None of that makes what that person said wrong. Do you even know how many laws we have restricting gun ownership? The problem isn't gonna be solved by adding new laws. How about actually enforcing some of the ones we already have for starters? In the majority of shootings in the US the guns were acquired illegally anyway, so I'm not sure what makes you think more laws would help. There have been SO many cases in the past decade that should have been prevented except the government screwed up and didn't enforce the existing laws, leading to people who should not be able to own guns owning guns. Try not being a smug prick sometime btw, definitely helps when you're trying to win an argument. And just because someone thinks differently than you doesn't make them "brainwashed" lmao. But I know you just want to feel better than other people, pretty obvious when you think mentioning someone's perceived political affiliation is shutting down their argument, lmao.
26 likes"I'm better than you because I follow the CORRECT political party!" -Cryomancer
@cryomancer I love how facts have become right wing propaganda.
35 likes@cryomancer how many firearms do you own?
1 likeMitchell Monroe if you think gun laws don’t work you must live in a bubble. If you’re too lazy to read statistics, you can just look at countries that have gun control and compare it to the US. 26% of Canada own guns, significant number. The level of gun violence there can’t even compare to this country. It’s honestly embarrassing for a place that’s supposed to be “first-world”
14 likes@Zarquon Z because every gun law is an infringement. The government literally should have no say about how law abiding citizens choose to arm themselves. “Shall not be infringed” is clear. Just because one person uses their rights to hurt another person doesn’t mean you take away everyone’s rights. Gun laws also don’t work, chicago, detroit, new york, california have some of the strictest gun laws and have the most gun deaths.
7 likes@cryomancer while i agree with sensible gun control(permit, no mental issues), do you really think that usa is just gonna become a canada-like country? I dont know much about you but i hope you don't fall into the trap that guns are the issue of crime, and not the person behind the gun. It has to do allot with mentality, culture and general relations and less about legal availability than some might think. Im sure you probably heard this argument a ton by now but its true, people are gonna find alternatives if their objective is killing either via illegal(black) market or by different weapons and most innocent citizens won't buy and use illegal weapons to protect themselves so they are gonna be at disadvantage.
9 likes@Koen Dietrich so by your logic, it's okay to give a baby a knife?
1 likeMr. Erik I agree that culture could be an issue, US citizens have been conditioned to be gun obsessed for generations now. This is why radical ideas such as a gun ban are absurd, not only bc it’s an infringement of rights, but also bc it would never work in this country. Gun control wouldn’t make it impossible to obtain guns, but it’d certainly discourage violence to some degree. Not only to prevent harm to others, but also to themselves. I’ve heard of sooo many mentally ill people’s statements of how the easy accessibility of guns triggered more violent/suicidal thoughts in them. It’s not an irrefutable solution, but it’d prevent so many more tragedies
7 likesOk wtf is happing to this comment section, multiple of my comments have been deleted, including many others
2 likes@Don Quasebarth Spot on
1 like@shiny warm Can you give a breakdown of violent gun crimes according to race a socio-economic status? Maybe by state and county as well? That should clear things up
7 likes@shiny warm cross county murder rates dont prove that, because cultures are different from country to county.
4 likesIf you look at per capita firearm ownership in various locations within the us there is no noticable differences in violent crime rates. You've also cherry picked data sets, as there are several countries with far more restrictive gun control legislation packages that have significantly higher murder rates. Comparing the united states, a large and culturally diverse country to small largely homogeneous european countries isnt a fair comparison. Most of those countries are in recent years seeing upticks in all their violent crime rates as non european natives are immigrating into their countries. Give them 200 years of essentially unrestricted imigration like the united states has allowed and see where they are at.
There is, however, even within individual cities, a pretty major difference in murder rates based on ethnic background and more importantly, median income levels, these are the real predictors of violent crime rates.
@cory ponder I'm afraid Im not here to undertake detailed research for the benefit of - with respect - random Youtubers. My comment was simply pointing out that the assertion made by that poster lacked any substance and the gross statistical evidence points in exactly the opposite direction
4 likes@shiny warm points the opposite direction for a class of people for sure. For others life is not about violent active as much as others.
0 likes@Don Quasebarth your opening statement is true, but meaningless in this context, as gun laws and the availability of firearms is an integral part of a culture. The question is whether a culture in which there are strict gun control reduces the likelihood that people will use guns to commit crime. The evidence is that, even though they are not sufficient in themselves, other things being equal, they do help lower the rate. Your suggestion that median income is the main driver of gun deaths is an oversimplification. eg the wealthiest states of the US by median income are Maryland (gun death rate 11.9), New Jersey (5.29) and Massachusetts (3.4). Only the third of these has a lower rate than any European country. The worst European country is Montenegro at 3.5, one of the poorest countries in Europe, and one of those formed in the aftermath of an extremely bloody civil war, where firearms were freely circulated. You're also right about the influence of gangs, but so far the evidence shows gun laws can still play an important part in making it tougher for gangs to operate in a gun-based subculture, and in spreading gun violence more widely
4 likes@shiny warm homicides arent equally occurring across any state, or even any city. They are hyper focused in low income areas. Every state has a couple cities that are responsible for a majority of their homicides, and every city has a couple blocks that are responsible for a majority of their homicides. These locations are overwhelmingly populated with people living well below the median, many of the residents in these areas are living in fatherless homes (a major predictor of violent crime tendancies) and/or living on some form of government assistance
3 likesAlso, in the united states the overwhelming majority of homicide victims are convicted felons, known gang associates, or actively committing a felony at the time of their deaths. Something like 70 percent of homicide victims fall into one of those categories.
@Don Quasebarth, thanks. The US remains an outlier amongst developed countries. To take the UK as an example of a country with strict gun laws, the entire UK (population 67 million) suffered 30 gun murders IN TOTAL in 2019-20. The US state of Maryland alone (population 6m) suffered over 600. To put it another way, the criminal population of one of the most prosperous states in the US shoots 20 times more of its citizens to death than the entire underclass of the UK - and all its drug gangs, felons and the rest - combined. Only when you add in every other type of murder does the UK reach an annual total of 600 murders. So strict gun control is not a complete solution to gun crime, but it makes it harder to become a murderer. We see the same dynamic in countries where guns have become readily available following war eg Serbia has become notorious in Europe for having a per capita gun ownership rate second only to the US - and the murder rate by firearm is correspondingly high
4 likes@cryomancer typical ad hominem opening statement 🙄 😒 😑
0 likes@Hatte! lmao y’all just say anything and call it an argument huh? How is half the population disqualified? Give me one example of this happening in any other country. And what other ways could this go wrong? If you had an answer for that you would’ve just said it. The reason why you’re so defensive is because you aren’t willing to have an open mind. You’re just willing to react, to contradict.
0 likes@cory ponder Australia has incredibly harsh gun laws, what are you talking about? After the Port Arthur Massacre 650,000 privately-owned firearms were confiscated and there’s a complete ban on semi-automatic weapons. They also have a national gun registry so that they know exactly who owns what guns. They’ve almost completely eliminated mass shootings and homicide and suicide rates have also been reduced.
4 likes@Kamil Zapart Idk man the guy who shot up his job in Indianapolis was on an FBI watch list and was still able to legally buy a gun. Doesn’t seem like they’re very difficult to get.
2 likes@Maggie Karabel His mom called the police and said he might do a suicide shooting. Wouldn't you think the logical thing to do in this case was idk, maybe the police or the freaking FBI to issue a block or some type of red flag on his file when it came to him buying a firearm? Police already confiscated a shotgun prior and he had undergone a mental health evaluation. So it sounds like the system failed in preventing this teenager from getting another gun. How many other shootings have had the same scenario? So to me in this particular case, you should be blaming the shitty authorities for their crappy work that if they actually cared couldve prevented him from getting another gun. I mean you see how different things are when you actually bring up events that happened to the lead of a situation instead of just summarizing what happened?
1 like@Kamil Zapart I do blame the authorities. I don’t understand how what you said is in any way different than what I said.
1 like@cryomancer oh that will work, look at california
1 like@shiny warm I said "violent crime" in Europe and you did the classic bait and switch of only focusing on shootings in Europe.
3 likes@avenger31X you dont seem to have understood the statistics. The all-cause homicide rate for the US is around 7.5 per 100 000. For Europe it is 1.7. Not a single country in Europe can match the US murder rate. So even if you are right and that other methods of killing are more prevalent, that would just mean the firearm murder rate in the US alone accounts for the excess of murders in the US. In other words, the US murder rate by firearms alone (around 3.5) is higher than the murder rate from all means including firearms, stabbings, stranglings, poisonings, beatings and everything else in every European country except Latvia. Either US citizens are exceptionally murderous types or the comparatively easy availability of guns in the US makes them much more likely to kill - and die
6 likes@avenger31X without wanting to write a thesis here I'd be interested in the sources of the statistical data supporting your claims about violent crime excluding guns. What is the sexual assault rate in the US v Europe for example?
4 likesThank you for telling us that. The strength of a Mother is powerful. May God give her continued love and strength.
2 likes@avenger31X send the links over then, cause I don’t see your statistics anywhere lmao it’s 60%, not 80.
1 likeRetribution moment
0 likes@Imagine Wagons non sequitur argument/fallacy, good try though.
0 likes@Koen Dietrich it isn't, but cope however you'd like.
1 likeWow, she's my representative (Roswell, GA) I knew her son was killed but didn't connect the dots until I saw your comment
1 like@cryomancer what countries? And please tell me how their crime rate looks?
1 like@cryomancer The information you gave is just straight up factually incorrect dude. You don't know nothing about gun laws and how any of it works. And saying a shooting happens every week is extremely overdramatic
1 like@Paul R A school bus driver in minnesota was shot in the head while the bus was full of kids, 2 days ago. Less than a week earlier another bus packed with kids was shot at in north carolina. None of this makes the mainstream news because it happens so often. Yes, shootings happen every week in this country. If only you cared enough, you would’ve known that
4 likesSo sad l feel for her
0 likes@Zarquon Z Your faith in the haste of the police is baffling. Was robbed at gunpoint and waited eight minutes for their arrival. Bought a gun after that.
1 like@shiny warm Look at the statistics for self defense of home invaders, muggers, robbers, carjackers because of concealed carry.
1 like@A C why?
0 likes@shiny warm Because it's relevant data to factor in to the decision on weighing out gun control or no gun control.
1 like@A C lots of things are relevant, but do you want to make a specific point here?
0 likesI just wanna point out to all the Americans flame warring each other: the root word for amendment is amend. As in, to change, adapt.
5 likesYou can change this stuff. It's literally already been changed before.
It's not some holy text or some such.
Lol how can anyone stop another human being from committing gun violence?
0 likesHow about end lack of respect for others, this guy was a fool for shoot at them, but nothing would’ve had happened if they had an once of respect.
2 likesVery selfish of her first to prioritize gun safety once After she had a personal motivation.
0 likesCool info! Good on her.
0 likes@shiny warm 30 gun murders and 2000 knife murders...
1 like@trith72 I imagine you're refering to the UK murder statistics? In which case, you have it wildly wrong. The most recent Home Office report states, "In the year ending March 2021 there were 224 homicides (currently recorded) using a sharp instrument, including knives and broken bottles.". You have exaggerated the number by a factor of 10. In fact, the number of homicides from ALL causes in the UK each year rarely exceeds 1,000 in total.
1 like@shiny warm I live in the real world, the one that contains communist China, communist Korea, and where Soviet Russia and the Gestapo occurred alongside one another. You can feel safe and cozy in government arms - I appreciate my second amendment.
1 like@A C The state with the nnext highest gun ownership rate in the world to the US is Yemen. Do you thik the citizens of Yemen enjoy a particularly safe or free life? That's followed by Serbia and Montenegro - hardly models of freedom and democracy. The region with the highest private gun ownership level in the UK is Northern Ireland. NI was occupied by the British army for 38 years, and even today civilians are terrorised by armed militia. Afghanistan is another great example of what happens when guns are freely available. Private gun ownership does not guarantee personal safety - as we can see by the murder rate in the US. Neither does it protect people from oppression. Instead, it facilitates the growth of gangsterism and extortion rackets
3 likes@shiny warm Why are you still talking to me?
0 likes@A C it's the brilliance of your argument I guess. That and your charm
3 likes@A C you're welcome to your thoughts. It doesn't look like they are based on facts, though.
3 likes@shiny warm You should fire at least 300 rounds through at least 3 handguns of varying caliber before deciding you want someone else to potentially have one while you do not. I'm assuming you haven't done that.
1 likeAnyway, again, no point in talking about this with me, Senator Shiny Warm. Take it up with the rest of Congress and get a bill to present to the president. He has the final say so, and we're getting nowhere here.
@A C for someone who thinks we are getting nowhere, you seem keen on continuing the discussion. I already pointed out the vicious cycle of easy gun availability, and if I were surrounded by private citizens carrying guns, I might well want to get one myself. But that's how you end up with a murder rate that is way ahead of every other civilised country. There's nothing special about US borders. The countries of the EU have free movement. It is possible to make a single, interrupted car trip from Spain to Beijing, crossing through many of the gangster states of the former USSR, Iraq and Afghanistan. But Europeans still manage to control guns, are not state tyrannies, and don't murder each other at the rate Americans do.
2 likesThat's amazing I live in her congressional district (Georgia's 6th) and knowing that she's motivated by personal experiences makes me like her even more
0 likesThat's amazing I live in her congressional district (Georgia's 6th) and knowing that she's motivated by personal experiences makes me like her even more
0 likes@cryomancer check records and keep them. No need for all that extra bullshit, don’t think it’s too hard to determine who should and shouldn’t be allowed to own any variation of a firearm.
0 likesSo the victims mom wants to create more victims. Nice~
1 like@Jay P maybe because blue cities have millions and millions of people while kentucky and co have a population of like 5 lmao
1 likeGod I hope the families and his fiancé find happiness.
0 likes@ 52:17
5 likesHis attorney is signaling him. They rehearsed this and he’s reminding him that this is the part we’re he’s suppose to cry
I’m crying too 🤣🤣🤣
I have the utmost respect for Rhonda!
1 likeI’ve never been administered the oath with the So Help You God in it, and I’ve never heard it at any time in court. I always wanted it to happen so I could say “No”.
0 likesive watched this a couple times. I want to know what 'your mom is sending you a BOOK.....' means. like it sounds like contraband but what use would that be, especially when she pretty much entirely refuses to lie for him at any other point.
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Just like a book to read
0 likesIf you could do a video on George Zimmerman that would be terrific. I love your channel
0 likesI am now very interested in your thinking about this case and the verdict. What do you think is the reason for his doing?
1 like1. A false recognition of reality and therefore dealing within a split second false? But really thinking his life was in danger?
2. A quick blackout, feeling like a hero, feeling really a threat but due to feeling like Bruce Willis he was overacting and absolutely didn’t react the way he should? But we believe him, that he felt in a way threatened?
3. He made this, knowing there is no real threat. He is not in danger, he has just fun playing the strong guy, protecting his fiancée and his life (not really fearing)
4. Has a deep grown hate towards black young men, seeing in all black guys more a gang manner than a part of the society, always wanted to make usage of his weapon. Waited for a situation like this, was happy that these guys played with him like he was expecting (growing aggressions and escalating), ready to kill someone in a situation which means no danger to him but may look for the outside like a self defence situation. Would have done this to anyone, but being his “opponent” black, made this “better”?
5. Or did I miss a reason?
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That and also...
0 likes6. He's a huge ddoooouuuuccchhhh!!!!
Extremely telling statement 9:45
3 likes“I shot at the car”
Not “omg they pulled out a shotgun”
BUT “I shot at the car”
I have a pretty loud stereo in my car and this case makes me never want to play music on it again .
2 likes14:40 reminds me on the meme:"Dumbledore asked calmly" :D
3 likesWouldn't have been a problem if you minded you're own business in the first place.
3 likesglad to see some proper fucking justice done...especially with similar cases that have occurred in recent times
0 likesNoticed how when the black detective addresses him he turns his body away and doesn't seem to want to interact with him.
8 likes"i thought it was a gun but i guess it could have just been a stick" he's saying it so casually as if it's normal to just drive around with sticks in your car
1 likeThis man's fortitude was in that glove box when he pulled into that parking lot. The alcohol just inflated that sense. If that gun wasn't in his car, he would have never opened his mouth to ask for the music to be turned down. He's probably played this hero scenario out in his head hundreds of times before this night, being the hero for his lady. Hence, no remorse for a dead teenage boy or his family but can't hold back the waterfalls for his puppy. Good job jury!
4 likesThe only thing he regrets is not killing all 4 of them.
5 likesHe called himself the Victor after killing someone 😐
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0 likesThat first call had me feeling sorry for the guy, boy was i wrong.
1 likeAll because of loud music, and bad decisions. A beautiful young man gone. Just sad.
0 likesDrunk McDriver really thought he could get away with shooting and killing a highschooler for being rude ..
1 likeI would hate myself a lot more if I had that dude’s voice
1 like"I didn't know I was being charged with murder and attempted murder... that sucks.." holy shit lmao 🤣
0 likesOne rage moment can ruin your life, end another and affect many many more.
1 likeCrazy how this man weighs a dog more than an actual human being🤮
1 likebeen watching this kind of content and always seen JCS inspired
5 likesi think now i know who is jcs
Looks like YouTube has been allowing these videos back in. I'm taking advantage and rewatching them all haha.
2 likesI reckon she is EXTREMELY LUCKY he was jailed. Otherwise she would definitely be in an abusive relationship. He is a narcissist whose ONLY remedy is violence. She at least was upset by the shooting, but almost seems to agree with him that HE IS a victim. Though she does try to cut him off from that train. He's a self centred bully.
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I think she agrees 100% that he was in the wrong even to the extent of not being willing to alter or omit her testimony. You can tell how upset she is with everything, she’s seems like a kind person. Some people turn in to real tough guys when they drink which seems to have been a factor, among many others, in this case. Some people also look for a reason to pull their gun. This is a heartbreaking story, I remember being young and playing our music loud and just enjoying life. As a little bit older person now the super loud music can be irritating but I just remind myself how they’re young and enjoying life like they should be or I’ll ask them who they’re listening to which automatically gets it turned down and strikes up a friendly conversation and I get some new music ideas to listen to.
0 likes"I really didn't know I was being charged with murder and attempted murder. That sucks."
0 likes"I didn't know I was being charged with murder and attempted murder... That sucks"
2 likesComical
He thought that music was loud? He doesn't know what loud is but he will when he sets one foot in prison. This was very avoidable for everybody involved
0 likesI pray that the three men who survived are well today. No one deserves to see that. Peace to those boys.
2 likesCourtroom part really got me singing 'we both reached for the gun!' Billy flynn style ngl ...
0 likes43:13
0 likes"What was the purpose of that?"
"To save my life"
"From the door?"
🤣
Let's face it he couldn't wait too fire that gun that he had just got, also he is a racist as well
3 likesA real tough guy until the cop interview him
0 likesJesus Christ man im 17 and was out with friends earlier today, mad to think he was in the same situation and it ended so differently because of some racist prick, rest in peace man
0 likesYou should have kept your mouth closed from the start and none of this would have happened. Them playing loud music was none of your business.
2 likes“And how long have you know mr. DUNN FOR?” OMG…
1 like29:33 2 handed might take longer, but 2 handed is also more accurate
0 likesDrunken man sees some coloured lads doing nothing other then listening to music minding their own business. So he decides to cause beef with them rather then park elsewhere or just mind his own business and be on his way. All caused by him and now he has to suffer his actions. Hope the lads are doing good these days and staying strong. Sorry to the poor young lad who lost his like and his family who have to miss him :(
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+ruddy123 I don’t understand why he couldn’t have just moved somewhere else or just ignored them. I don’t love loud music when I’m out and about myself, doesn’t mean I can take lives over it. I just stick to what I’m doing and only ever turn my own music up full blast when I’m alone on the highway. I only hope the boys’ family can one day find some peace. And the fiancé of that Dunn guy, poor lady was a mess probably blaming herself for it all.
0 likesHe was as scared for his life as a police officer who chooses to shoot unarmed people. This guy won't get away with no jail time, though.
0 likesMike: they were gonna kill me because I asked them to turn their music down!
0 likesAlso mike: kills them because he asked them to turn their music down.
I was kind of not completely sure about him until he mentioned is breakfast... freaking crazy
1 likeMan I wish all cases had trial footage like this; such a nice flickering of perspectives from the witnesses testifying to the defendant to the people in attendance. Great analysis as always, thanks for the video!
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I was incredibly impressed with the court footage quality as well, it was really well shot and gave a perfect parallel to the interview footage.f
3 likesWell done Rhonda
1 likeNot one time did he apologize or feel any remorse for killing that kid. Such a bad man.
0 likesI thought this was one of my teachers. His last name is also Dunn
0 likesWhen it comes to this case, I have to invoke Chris Rock talking about OJ Simpson ... "I'm not saying he should have killed her ... but I understand" 🤣 Let this video be a lesson to people ... Don't shoot at people for frivolous things like bumping music ... And don't bump your music ☝🏻
0 likesShe is a good person with a good heart, did not lie for him. She knew what he did was wrong and followed her moral principles because she’s not hateful racist. I’m glad she got away from this man!
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@Nandan Shetty it says a lot about you not being able to tell this guy is racist
131 likesThat fact people pick up on his racist vibes is one thing that could be called speculation, but the letters he wrote confirmed that he in fact is.
62 likes@first name i do believe it was slightly race influenced, maybe not intentional but i feel like some people are intimidated by people of color and act more hastily and aggressive when put in a "stressful" situation
15 likes@Mr. Alan considering i make music, you dont judge peoples music choice and base that on what you think their character will be. ive heard little scrawny nerds make the most aggressive dark music youve ever heard. But in actuality they were super nice and respectful, its just the kind of art they fell in love with, goes the same for people that listen to music rather than make it. It doesnt define their moral compass and if it makes you intimidated hearing "thug" (btw in this case im guessing it was someone like NBA YoungBoy, not oldies like tupac n biggie) music then you definetly have a touch of closeted racism in ya
23 likes@Mr. Alan homie said "menacing" how about they had it playing when they pulled into the GAS STATION where you will be inside only long enough to buy a snack? How about deal with someone else enjoying themselves for 2 minutes rather than being a psychopath who escalates that into murder
19 likes@Mike Hunt ???
1 like@Vexzi You say it's not race related, then describe a pre-conditioned assumption he had about black people (that they are agressive). Once these assumptions motivate behaviour, that is racism. Michael also did this because he thought, as a white man, that he would not be punished That shows he has s number of other race based assumptions about the worth and status of black people in society that he thinks everyone shares
20 likes@Bea I. Engio i said it was racially motivated?
0 likes@Vexzi Oh sorry, my bad. I read it as "I do not believe it was even slightly". I will clamber back in my box now.
13 likesShe is a good person to be honest and you can see she is devastated by what happened
7 likes@Nandan Shetty I wouldn't be surprised if you was a racist too
9 likes@Jarosław Kaczyński Karl Marx was white wasn't he? A blimmin German. What genocide of white people anywhere ever? Your comment makes no worldly sense. I guess I'm just trying to determine if you're completely raving.
12 likesShe didnt call the cops
4 likes@Jarosław Kaczyński Nah. I'm good. So you know, your writing presents as a series of tag lines, probably from the far right, on themes that most people don't consider to be related. You need to explain a point rather than shoe horn in lots of headline statements about world events and ideologies because you are unintelligible and not making any point.
9 likes@Christopher Arnold she was drunk of her ass and didn’t want to be an accomplice. Then puts that little poor me act on when taking the stand. She didn’t sound too upset at interrogation. Got her own attorney to keep from going to jail herself as an accomplice. She’s as low as he is.
4 likes@David Diaz the same guys who say “what does race have to with anything?” Are the same guys that use dog whistles like thug and are the first ones to describe a person by nationality or skin color.
5 likesDamn, trying hard for likes. I do agree with you though :D
0 likes@mmdirtyworkz thug music doesn't have to have anything to do with colour. Ironically enough, to speculate that he did it because of race is racist on its own.
0 likesHis letters do confirm he's a racist but the story itself could simply be an act of rage and you could just perceive it to be racially motivated.
His actions are perceived correctly, no question about it. Sometimes what you see is exactly what you get.
1 like" Ironically enough, to speculate that he did it because of race is racist on its own." this is so stupid it almost gave me a Forest Whittaker eye.
@Jules Asher bullshit. She’s a good actress. She didn’t call police either. She could’ve been an accomplice. She got her own lawyer. Put on her little pitiful poor me act and threw him under the bus. I don’t believe her and don’t feel a bit sorry for her. She wasn’t Ll wimpy sappy in the detective office. She’s full of it. I’d run far away from this trickster.
4 likes@B Prathe Thanks for sharing your opinion. Do you feel better?
0 likesThou Shall Not Bear False Witness.
0 likes@Nandan Shetty not even the "thug music" comment, but also the, "...they're violent," and calling them "animals" (the ppl he was being isolated from in the beginning of this episode, which would be other black prisoners).
3 likes@Christopher Arnold for right or wrong, she clearly was submissive to him. Even in her conversations w/ him, she gives short, placating answers: "I know." "Right." They sound more like a question than agreemt, with that slightly upturned lilt showing she would like to say more. Note, she actually DOES at the point that he makes that comment about solitary confinement and being glad hes's not w/ those "animals." Well, the "animals" ftom which he was being protected, that would be angry w/ the situation, would mainly the other black people who knew what thoughts motivated his actions. It was the one time Rhonda DID stand up (and u could hear the disdain in her voice for him) saying, "Well, they probably aren't too thrilled about what's going on either... (paraphrased)."
3 likesWhat matters is that she came thru when she needed to. Testifying against him must have been heartbreaking. I deeply admire her for her courage.
(Besides, who knows that she wouldn't have reported him soon after they got home? They had just walked in when the police called. It really seems she would have called, esp. if it had gotten to the point where they were publicizing requests for info. She was probably just waiting until she could be home and he wasn't within her immediate vicinity. )
She did tell him that they need to leave once she saw it on the TV and knew it was him who shot the guys on the red car...but she is a good person ? how ? she fled with him after she know what happened.
2 likesWhat does racism have to do with any of this?
0 likes@Ane Calvo so you think this wouldn't have happened if the victim was different color? Would it have happened if he was Chinese? Egyptian? Iranian? Brazilian? What is the qualification for his death?
0 likesI think this guy was looking for an excuse to shoot.
never trust a woman with your secrets. this was a decent lesson
0 likes@Jarosław Kaczyński Jesus Christ you are so far down the alt right rabbit hole I genuinely genuinely feel bad for you
2 likes@mmdirtyworkz yeah he probably is racist, but him shooting someone that's black, and him not liking a certain genre of music isn't enough evidence to support that he's racist. He didn't say anything racial or had no racial motivation brought up in court or it would be a hate crime.
2 likesShe has a moral compass a good woman too good for him!
1 likeI was looking for the comment that would pull the r word with 0 evidence...
0 likesYou are r for assuming a psycho is r just because of his skin color...
@Aleksandar Ivanov zero evidence??? really?? listen to the phone call at very beginning. he calls them violent. why does he think they are violent. because of how they looked.
0 likes@jack leonard that's you projecting an intent. That's not how proof works.
1 likeYou honestly can't think of absolutely no other reason, beside skin color there ?
I would be inclined to call you r, for admitting you see everything through skin color alone and nothing else...
@Aleksandar Ivanov i see the obvious truth. its you thats in denial
1 like@jack leonard You are deflecting.
1 likeWhen confronted with a question that would reveal a truth that refutes what you are saying, deflection is a typical dishonest reaction.
You wouldn't deflect, if you were right.
@Bea I. Engio there’s literally genocides of white farmers in South Africa but ok lol
0 likes@Tanielu Stowers I personally believe that each beginning letter of the Ten Commandments should be capitalized. Some writings capitalize every letter. That’s just me though.
0 likesI was stating that she obeyed God’s commandment if not bearing false witness. I respect her for that.
@Yasser Abouzeid yeah but there is a difference between blatant racism and closet racism which was my point here
2 likes@Sockersmulan scroll up in this comment section for proof lol someone linked it months ago
0 likes@laur Ok, so Iooked this up. It's a heavily disputed claim that is widely referred to as a conspiracy theory. First hit is (okay I know) Wikipedia https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_African_farm_attacks but I looked deeper. Happy to be wrong, but so far I don't think this is substantiated.
0 likes@Bea I. Engio I don't know, what "blimming" means, but it doesnt belong in front of "german".
0 likes@Karla Shmeeda Vlasta It's not an insult to Germans. It's a British way of emphasising or re-enforcing something light-heartedly: E.g. "that is so blimmin expensive" or "blimmin marvellous" ... Or "blimmin heck."
0 likes@Bea I. Engio blimmin heck! I learnt something today! 🌻
2 likesI'm only about halfway through the video but literally nothing in this video is about race. Apart from the fact that he's white and the kids were black.
0 likesShe was quite willing to date and plan to marry a racist, though...Idk. Just because she won't lie in court or to the police doesn't mean she's a stellar person.
0 likes@laur " there’s literally genocides of white farmers in South Africa..." That is not what the word "genocide" means.
1 like@Bea I. Engio there is a Facebook page called “ stop white South African genocide “ you can read all about it on that. Wish I could post screenshots
0 likes@Bea I. Engio .
0 likes@Vexzi yeah, that subconscious bias is what contributes so heavily to this sort of thing happening here and also in cases of police brutality
0 likes@Alyssa Moody exactly its really sickening tbh
1 likeWell to be honest it seems like she ignored his casual racism for years because she liked other stuff about him never realising how deep and serious it was. I wouldn't want to live with someone racist enough to say stuff like "thug music" myself and I'm white.
1 like@Name Irrelevant Also the phone call at the beginning confirmed it as fact.
0 likes@TrueCrimeGuru That’s definitively true for sure. A lot of people do that & that’s one of the reasons society isn’t progressing faster right now.
0 likesRight. And you could see in her demeanor that she knows in her heart he's wrong with the way she was so emotional at court.
0 likesIt's painfun listen to his lies!
0 likesGood police work !!!
0 likesHe's delusional, a total narcissist! It's never their fault, no remorse, no empathy, someone is dead over rap music 😳
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He made a mistake when he turned the music back up. If he had respected other people he would still be alive.
0 likes@*ᴥ* that's not the point, playing loud music is not against the law, the old man should have just minded his business and he wouldn't be in jail for the rest of his miserable life
1 like@*ᴥ* 🙄
1 likeThere is some justice in the us afterall
0 likesRIP young brother
1 likeI don’t understand why people just won’t show their pistols and not fire any bullets in order to prevent any deaths, if the situation worsens, they could fire their gun in self defence. If you could do a video on George Zimmerman that would be greatly appreciated
0 likesI've been watching several of these cases and it's always the same story. What do average citizens do with firearms in their car or at home ? If that right to bear arms was abolished at last, there would be much less cases of that type
2 likes“Thug music… they’re violent… I’m a victim and I fought back” yeah that doesn’t sound like a racist at all yep definitely not
0 likeshe was 45 during that? hate really does make you look so much older damn
1 like“It was either a barrel or a stick” well that’s a big difference brobro
0 likesAfter 44:17... THEY HAD ALL THEY NEEDED...🙄 That’s when they laid it on him!
0 likesI have no lie watched this video several hundred times. A few times every day. I'm not sure what that means.
0 likesAs if at just 17 you could ever be capable of killing anyone?
0 likesIf my husband said he shot ppl like that, I would leave asap. The woman is sus
1 likeDude fr admitted that he was shooting them as they were trying to get away
1 likeWell mike, you are Dunn alright. 😁
2 likes47:55 ".....that sucks" 😭💀😂
1 likeThis guy is delusional
2 likesToo much false pride and ego.
8 likes“When black kids play music too loud they’re a threat” -this guy probably
0 likesPeople are unpredictable. Avoid confrontation. It’s not worth it.
1 likeHe was just 17 man, coming back from the mall. Probably thinking about fun things like what to wear prom and graduation. I can't count how many times I've been just like these kids at their age and played music stupidly loud with my friends while doing snack runs at convenience stores or gas stations. It breaks my heart that he isn't here because of a deranged trigger-happy racist loser. Rest in peace Jordan. I pray for continual healing for the family and friends.
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@Shoujo Magic he is definitely violent and predjudiced, and i will have to go read the letters. Maybe i did not get the full picture from this video alone. Probably because the video did not bring race up very much, and focused more on narccissistic behavior, I didnt think race played that big of a part. sorry if i came off a little harsh!
80 likesThat's a stereotypical racist generalization for assuming his sexual assignment and preferences.
7 likes@Ryuk Ya bro I think this guy has a big problem with black people. Seems like he has more than just ignorance and prejudice in his mind, but also maybe hatred or at least indifference in his heart too. Normal people don’t kill children and then cry because they can’t bring the new puppy to jail.
94 likesThere are letters to this insanity? Jeez
12 likesThanks for your comment
1 likeDid you hear about what he did to his exes?
3 likesAll Jordan was thinking about was getting some gum so that his breath didn't stink when he went back to the mall with Leland and Tevin. They were meeting up with Jordan's gf and her friends.
7 likes@Jake Yates What did he do?
1 like@Shoujo Magic I 100% believe if they were rich white kids he wouldn’t have made all those wild assumptions that they were violent thugs eager to kill him because he asked them to turn the music down.. from the moment she said he pulled up and said I hate this thug music I knew he was racist the way she said he said it gave me bad vibes
29 likesOr he would become fentinol hero like goerge
2 likesI thought the exact same thing... that was me at 16 with my best friends and honestly we still do the same thing now when everyone is home from school. We’re going on 22. I can’t even imagine - my heart breaks for Jordan and his family.
13 likesOh God yes, I still love to tune up my radio and sing my lungs out. Don't want to die cause I love my Playlist...
11 likesHe clearly is, at best, a narcissist but more likely a psychopath. It's so easy to see when he talks about losing his expensive BnB, being proud of his fast draw, and seeing he was the "Victor". Saying that the kid is 17 mean absolutely nothing to him. His conscience is so very comfortable and guilt is something he never felt.
8 likesBTW black interrogator... Nice touch! Right where it hurts.
@Ryuk I have to agree with the commenter. I am not one to just lightly throw labels around, but this guy Dunn is a racist, and not even a covert one. His bigger issue is his ego. The racism could potentially be corrected through education & actually expanding his mind, but his ego & narcissistic arrogance are likely only going to get worse the more he convinces himself (& attempts to convince others) that he is a victim being relentlessly persecuted by society. His own inability to hide his disdain for the victim(s) during the trial while on the stand is what I think put the final nail in his coffin & ultimately got the bastard convicted.
11 likes@Victor Jimenez he abused them and even put a gun to the head of one of them.
1 likeremember even though he was racist not all white people are racist and reverse racism is fake its just normal racism as racism means descrimination of any race. in the story him having a more negative bias is racist for them being black which means hes racist but same can apply to somone doing that because there white.
9 likesexample: somone shoots white guy for being white
thats descrimination becuase there white and racist.
(just like guy in story for black people)
Mr. Dunn is on the receiving end of the Booty Bandit Welcome Wagon. I take solace in that.
2 likesThe fact they’re young is no excuse for being entitled and selfish and bratty. Their parents clearly didn’t raise them properly. Shooting them was unjustified and abhorrent and shocking, but I’m sick of people using “they’re young” to excuse bad behaviour.
6 likes@_rhea.b_ there’s billions of people on this earth . We have to learn to coexist so if someone is doing something like playing loud music I park further from them cause I’m a cranky old geezer . I can’t dictate to them what to do with the music in their car. Our paths will only cross for a few seconds. Same with many other things that are minor inconveniences cause of different lifestyles and opinions etc . Live and let live . I have a pet peeve at people that spit in the street but I don’t go tap them on the shoulder and tell them to pick it up . It gets on my nerves but it’s cause I hate littering and spitting etc but another person has different values etc
11 likes@Rhea Bastian So, you think it's ok to shoot and kill people for being annoying?
4 likesI blast my music really loud with the windows down all the time, with or without my friends and no one has ever shown that they were bothered by it (they may have been, I don’t know). It’s normal as a young person having fun to do that kind of stuff. It’s so disgusting that just because of someone’s skin color they are automatically judged as being dangerous or lesser when acting normal.
8 likes@happynappyable “different lifestyles and opinions”. Being civilised and respectful and polite isn’t a different lifestyle or opinion, it’s what you expect from people in society. Clearly what this guy did was definitely not civilised either, but the fact he asked them to turn it down and they were purposely being confrontational, means that their parents didn’t teach them properly. Simple.
6 likesBRO I feel like I am still a baby and I'm almost 20. 17?? that was a baby!
3 likes@Tia 20 year olds are babies
2 likesAgreed- these KIDS didn’t do anything wrong IMO but there’s people in society who are bat shit crazy. That’s why you can’t honk, can’t say anything to a stranger you just can’t. You never know.
5 likes@_rhea.b_ minding your own business is what would be ideal in these situations, strangers don't owe one to adhere to your standards thats the thing we're billions and all diverse in thought and so never sweat small stuff. Minding his business and not get worked up about normal teenager behaviour would ensure a happier life. He is the thug, there's nothing civilized or mature about how he interacted with them. I did things like playing loud music as a teen and it has no bearing to parents, teenagers behave differently when parents aren't around but the most import lesson is HE SHOULD HABE PARKED FURTHER IF IT BOTHERED HIM SO MUCH AND WENT ABOUT HIS OWN BUSINESS
3 likes@Shoujo Magic I thought it was obvious! that guy was one of the sickest racists I've ever seen and it goes without saying!
1 like@TheGeekDotCom bruh. even if you take away the "rich" aspect he wouldn't have done it.
0 likesDude definitely over reacted, but thanks to “the right to bear arms”, a life was lost — thankfully to the driver’s lightning quick reaction, more lives weren’t lost.
3 likes@Ryuk no, it sounds like you got the full picture the first time. You nailed it.
0 likes@_rhea.b_ What's your excuse? Shaming people knowing a young innocent teen was gunned down for having a wise mouth. And "are you illiterate" is not a good comment either. If you're deliberately trying to piss people off with your rude unsolicited statements, you've succeeded. Congrats
2 likes@_rhea.b_ There was only one teen who made a wise comment. If you're going to shame everyone for not agreeing with you, get your facts straight and act your age. Your age and your upbringing are no excuse for being rude and disrespectful.
2 likesDudes definitely don't think about what we're going to wear to prom wtf😂😂
1 like@_rhea.b_ if we're talking about people whose parents clearly failed them, how about the guy who shot up a car full of kids? who's more selfish and entitled, people playing their radio too loud or someone who kills over music they only have to hear for like five minutes, tops?
1 like@Jd M yes and if you could read, you’d notice I said that the behaviour on BOTH sides was appalling, obviously more so this guy’s behaviour. But that doesn’t negate the fact that those kids were wrong for their behaviour as well. Just because one person’s behaviour is heinous, doesn’t mean that the other side should be exempt from criticism
1 like@_rhea.b_ Then you wouldn’t be bashing a black 17 year old for listening to music in public, especially one who was murdered by someone who frequently expressed his disdain for black people. Let me ask you, do you interact with people often? Do you have a hard time navigating social situations?
1 like@Devs lol I’m convinced that no one in these comments can read. Criticising their actions is not “bashing”, it’s pointing out flaws in their behaviour. “Listening to music in public”. They don’t own that land, they can’t just play their music as loud as they like with no regard for anyone else in the vicinity. If you think that’s ok then you weren’t raised properly either.
1 like@_rhea.b_ Who said I was black? I’m just saying that it’s extremely weird to be bashing children for playing music, when these same children died because of a racist. You’d think the racist child murderer would be more deserving of all these comments, but apparently not to you, you feel the need to shine the light on the horrible actions of these savage teenagers, who played music in a car at a higher decibel than what Supreme Lord Mike Dunn seemed fit.
0 likes@Ryuk oh my God, how racist does someone have to be before you would see it?
0 likesExactly wouldn’t bother me a bit & if it do then just move. These ppl think they run the world
0 likesHe should have minded his business but if he wasn't a fast draw, he'd be dead.
0 likes@_rhea.b_ I feel like the fact you felt you had to criticize the teens behavior in this situation that is so serious, that you thought that was the right thing to add to the conversation, is beyond disrespectful and tone deaf. In another conversation less serious than this one, sure criticize how teens are today but something as small as being rowdy ended a young persons life, they didn't get to go to prom, go to college, get married ,get kids. You cared more about bringing up how they acted then how their live was impacted. I as a teen myself am apauled that you would be, as an adult, so insensitive.
2 likesSo sad to think about the fact that he was about to graduate.
0 likesWell said.
0 likesI don't wanna lose my freedom. Michael, Jordan Davis lost his freedom that night. Enjoy prison
1 likeThey were children.. They were children! God damn it..they were just kids..
3 likesThey had just drove????? They had just DRIVEN!!!
0 likesCars have become the new coffins! This shi is so damn sad son. Those kids were just minding their business its not like they were sitting outside of his home with the music up. Dont ask me to turn my music down if your not paying this car note/insurance although i personally have common courtesy but he had no rights from jump!! He reacted purely out of hate for our people,im so glad his wife has a different heart its almost unbelievable they were an item watching her take the stand against him but now he can enjoy folks that look like me every single day now hell he may even have to sleep next to one of us every single night in his cellblock/dorm now thats karma mr racist 💯
0 likesIf there were no cameras and so many witnesses the police would have probably believed the guy shot in self defense. BET
0 likesAt 45.30 I would be saying I have nothing more to say I want a lawyer. Why do they not used their rights and ask for a lawyer straight away? I think I know why. It is because they watched too many crime dramas where the person who asks for a lawyer is always the guilty party. It has been drummed into their heads that innocent people don't lawyer up. And this is why innocent people end up spending years and decades in prison convicted for a crime they didn't commit because they talked to police during an interview and they ended up having their words twisted and used against them. We all know witness testimony is unreliable at best and that we misremember things and order of events. The brain will even fill in gaps with memories that didn't happen.
0 likesNot saying the guy is innocent. He is clearly guilty of murder.
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In cases that involve narcissists, like this guy, they believe they can talk their way out of it.
0 likesthis guy talks like toby from the office 😭 drives me insane
0 likesWhat the fuck did he think was going to happen? Seriously some people really have no capacity for long term consideration, which is the reason so many people are miserable.
0 likesOne of my favorite traditions is watching JCS while snuggled up in bed with nice food. The commentary is just phenomenal and often points out the absurdity of the offenders' explanations, which just makes an otherwise disturbing cases more interesting and entertaining to watch. Have never missed one video!
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Similar here. It’s relaxing and enthralling.
1 like@Devoured Death only JIm as allowed to use such rediculous words.
1 likeThe narrator's name is Kizzume, you should definitely check out his YouTube channel too because he's got great content as well :)
1 likeI’m in bed with coffee and croissants right now Saturday morning. Haha. I love this channel.
1 likeA comfy bed is a good safe place to observe and analyze the worst of humanity from for sure
1 likeLying in front of court to the family of that poor kid...
0 likesOnly the engine block of a car provides any defence against bullets, doors are like tin foil
0 likesClassic gaslighting from the perp.
1 likeI went to school with Jordan. I can’t begin to explain how infuriating that interrogation was. He really thought he was a hero…
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How old he would be if he never died ?
18 likes@Tampa Supreme we were in the same grade so he’d be 25-26 now
209 likesI'm so sorry for your loss, may he rest in peace. Blessed Be
84 likesSo sad
8 likes@SeanRaw_ damn bruh, sorry for your loss.
16 likesI'm sorry for your loss. There's a hidden racist element to this guy
128 likesA gas station trip literally lasts 5 min max. All he had to do was bear the music for 5 min
@Melonie Ndebele true and he instantly calls these kids thugs!
60 likesHip hop destroys black lives in so many ways, it’s infuriating.
12 likes@Tony Arcieri how can you begin to blame any of this terrible situation on music?
70 likesThese young kids out enjoying their day and enjoying their music get shot at TEN times and you blame it on the music???
57 likes@Tony Arcieri ???
16 likesAll perps think they are the hero until they are numb to it.
7 likesIt is an illusion that protects them from the reality of what happened.
I am sorry you went through what you did, Sean. <3
Jordan gets resurrected some day and it's going to be amazing! His friendship isn't gone just because of this.
@Tim Stout dont bother. Tony posts a ton of 💩 on this channel and elsewhere
13 likesim so sorry for your loss and your communities loss💔
4 likesSo heartbreaking 💔 I'm so sorry 😞
2 likesi hope his family and friends eventually found comfort and peace 💖
3 likesI am very sorry for your loss.
2 likes@Tony Arcieri No music, no matter how crass, no matter what the content is, has the capability to turn anyone into anything. Rap doesn’t create criminals, nor does Weird Al turn me into a comedian.
12 likes@SeanRaw_ So sorry for the loss of this young man. You’re right the interview and his jail calls to the wife are absolutely disgusting. This guy thinks he’s Batman for murdering a kid who’s music was too loud. I hope Jordan’s family is getting on the best as we can expect them to after this.
2 likesDamn he shouldn’t have acted tough then
0 likes@Tim Stout don't feed the trolls.
0 likesHe doesn't think he's a hero he's was thinking murder
0 likes@Maximum you should think again about what you just said,music is a torture to the soul my friend,but I do agree it ain't worth killing over.
1 likesorry for your loss bro. Sending love to you and everyone affected. May he rest in power.
1 likeKids are violent.
0 likes@Maximum no ones trying to be cool or edgy. Just pointing out the obvious 🤷♂️
0 likes@Papi Mew acted tough? You mean to tell me you actually believe anything the guy in this video says? Did you also know the word gullible is written on the ceiling?
2 likesLooks like they had it coming. Advancing and threatening? You get what you deserve.
0 likes@Maximum I believe the video. The guy clearly walked up to him with bad intentions 🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
0 likesThank you all for your kind words and positivity. Jordan was a popular guy back in school and it shocked all of us to find out on the news what happened to him. We’re all glad he got the justice he deserved.
5 likesAs for the trolls that clearly didn’t watch the whole video and are defending my friend’s murderer:
4 likes32:00 how can you make a threatening advance from inside the vehicle?
36:15 not one kid in that car had any type of record, especially Jordan..
@will bill I feel very sorry for anyone that thinks music is "bad for the soul" as you say it.
1 likeI’m very sorry for your loss.
1 like@Melonie Ndebele or he could have chosen to go to the NEXT gas station if the music bothered him so much…he didn’t have to stop at that one. This guy gets what he deserves in prison.
1 likeDeepest condolences for his loved ones 🙏🏼❤️
1 likeN we all know what “thug” is code for
3 likesSorry for your loss 🙁
0 likesI pray that his family is doing well . I know that they must miss their baby ❤️❤️
1 likeMy condolences sir even if it's late.....
2 likes@Non Ya Mike Dunn in prison instead of getting manipulated & used by his fiance.
0 likesSo sorry brother. It's crazy when someone you have seen at school or in your life who unjustly loses their life to narcissists like this creature here.
0 likesSo sorry for the trauma. This is a sad situation.
1 likeI'm so sorry for your loss, he should've lived a long healthy life :(
0 likesWhat an absolute basket case
0 likesThis guy is so crazy
0 likesAnother guy who obviously wishes he was a commando saw some young kids jamming out in the parking lot while he’s feeling buzzed decided he was going to have target practice on the poor innocent kids boy I hope he gets his in jail prison whatever it is
1 like40:20 "All these things you're saying are great, but..." Wut 😂
0 likesJust curious why she's blurred out in the interview, when we already saw her on the stand.
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Must’ve come that way
1 like@The Penster That's my assumption, too, but thought maybe there was an 'outside the box' explaination.
0 likesHe must have been a Java developer
0 likesI dont believe what the killer said. The other guys turn music so loud but the killer can gear all the words . Loud music n ur window up u can hear everything, tgat xar music loud before u park next to them so u just want to show them u r the power one not the. If he married his gf might be the victim one.
0 likesno training, who gave you a license?
0 likesDude should have Lawyered up ....
0 likesShe was a great UFC fighter
0 likesThat woman is such a champ for not trying to cover for that POS.
0 likesHe had his b- with him, they were frontin', the situation needed regulating he had to represent, yo
0 likesAll this over someone playing loud music. Ffs what is wrong with people.
2 likesThose poor kids omg
0 likesIm still trying to figure out what a fiance is
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When a couple is engaged they are referred to as eachothers finances until marriage
3 likesSo basically when your past calling them your bf or gf but your not married yet
If it were 4 white kids blasting rock music he would have never demanded the music be turned down.. Hes a liar! Took a innocent 17yr old child life over music... anyone who truly believed they were thugs, never would of pulled next to them and then asked them to turn the music down.. who tf are you to tell them
0 likes45? He looks like he’s 60
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Definitely not the first time his trainer Jack Daniels was in his corner.
0 likes57:02 jumpscare warning 💀
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0 likes@Nessie112 I was terrified looking at his face!!!
0 likes@Papa Smurf hahahahah
0 likes55:19
0 likes“LET ME FINISH” 😤🤬😡
YESSSIIRRR
RIP
3 likesHe’s so monotone :/
2 likes14:42 saving for later
0 likesYO JCS VIDEOS ARE GETTING PUT BACK UP FUCK YEAH WOOOO
1 like30:00 waiting for the wink? It’s not a video game bro
0 likesDude be talking like Toby Flanderson
1 likeYo this video just turned 2 years old 😮
1 likeIt's remarkable that women ignore some many bad traits thinking they can change them Ihey are already broken and unredemable
0 likesthe way his eyebrows looks its sure his guilty anyway
0 likesJ C. Are you coming back to us? We miss you
1 likeHe only had to sit in that car for a couple minutes and "endure" their music. Everything you need to know about him he said himself: he just wanted to shoot his gun, and was a racist. Rest in peace to that boy and I am sorry for the trauma inflicted on his surviving friends.
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Well spoke
12 likesWhy was he racist? Did he say he hated blacks?
15 likes@Google User 1. He assumed they are thugs. He even said 'i hate that thug music'. 2. He assumed they will 100% have a gun because of how they looked. 3. He assumed police will believe him because of his privilege, and was in full shock when he was told that this is now a murder case. He just cared about his bed and breakfast. 4. He assumed he will get killed for having a verbal altercation because of their appearance.
165 likesYou don't have to say you hate blacks to be racist lol. Actions speak louder than words.
@pagundaa You didn't answer the question. Again... Where is his clear cut racism? Where is his statement of disliking black folk?
10 likesGoogle User you’re probably racist too if you don’t think this guy is racist
133 likesThey did answer it
55 likes@Google User you probs can't read my guy/gal
37 likes@S People that call other people racist when racism wasn't brought up in the first place, or clearly defined in anyone's intentions... Is in fact a racist. So, hello little racists.
11 likes@Google User and where is the statement of him saying he murdered the guy intentionally? There wasn’t one. He still got convicted because it’s too damn obvious. Idk what you’re trying to get at. If you can’t see the racism behind this, i don’t know what to tell you buddy.
68 likes@pagundaa I'm sorry, where was he found in court "guilty of racism beyond a reasonable doubt" by his peers? He wasn't. Your point is moot. He was guilty of murder and serving life in prison for it. What more could you ask for?
5 likesGoogle User my point is that you don’t need to have an actual statement/admission when the behaviour shows the obvious. But go off. Have a good day
53 likes@Google User I know what you're trying to say but apparently
3 likes@Google User you think its ok to kill someone under the age of 20
5 likespagundaa — His sense of entitlement is out of this world...... He really didn’t think he was in too much trouble. They way he would just shrug when they were giving him facts and logic. He was basically like “yeah yeah okay, whatever. I already said I was scared so that should be the end of it”......
15 likes@Darkness No, I do not think it's okay to kill anyone without just cause.
1 likeRacism is more often subtle , it doesn’t have to be clear cut. You take the totality of the evidence and use common sense. If you think only the people who call people the N word in front of the world are the only racist means that either you’re a fool.... or you think we are. Which is it?
35 likes@Google User He automatically saw them as a threat and thought they were "going to kill him". He saw them as a threat and even though HE provoked THEM, he was already thinking about his gun in his glove compartment as his "only choice" and was hyperaware of the kids in the back. He heard them say "fuck that bitch" and "fuck this and that" even though the kids didn't say that. He unloaded almost his entire clip even though they weren't even firing back or attacking him in any way. He heard that they wanted to kill him and instead of grabbing his fiance and leaving right away, he stayed and rolled his window down and asked "you talking to me?" Are you serious?? If he was scared, he would go inside and call the police or drive away and call his fiance to stay put in the store until he saw the kids left. Also, the way he glared at the black kids as they testified but then realized he had to control his facial expression and look remorseful, was just too evident. Also, why was he worried about his expensive breakfast? When I was almost shot at, I was shaken up for about 10 minutes. He was way too calm that entire time. He knew what he was doing. If you don't think this was racially motivated, you're blind or you're intentionally trying to be blind to it.
22 likes@GanjiStyle Interesting. All he did was ask them to turn the music down, and THEY became confrontational.
2 likes@GanjiStyle They ran their mouths and got loud with him. I can see his perceived threat. Not to mention, there was more than one of them against him. But he fired his gun illegally. Still not clear cut and defined racism though. Just because it's white vs black doesn't mean it's racist. Not everybody wants to go to a convenient store and hear that loud annoying ass rap trash. I don't blame him for telling them to shut the hell up. But he shouldn't have started shooting given the circumstances.
5 likesGoogle User listen to the call where he was speaking to Rhonda and kept calling them violent, that’s racial profiling, you’re way in over your head if you think someone has to say I’m racist to be racist. And yeah, I get your point that not everyone wants to listen to whatever music it was that was playing, but it’s a public parking spot, you’re there for what, maybe 10-15mins tops, ‘enduring’ that for a short amount of time is going to have no affect on your life whatsoever. Not to mention, the kid who died was 17, and he was doing the talking back, if you know anything about teenagers, most teenagers don’t like being told what to do. Again, listen to the beginning of this video, what he said WAS racist.
13 likesGanjiStyle he’s clearly not open-minded, there was literally no perceived threat there. Just because they were in a group doesn’t mean there’s a threat and if his brain works like that, he needs help before he does something irrational and ends up on this channel
2 likes@connie S So having a group of young males cussing you out because you asked them to turn down their loud/annoying music doesn't warrant an elevated perceived threat? Your threat level increases when there are multiples of potential assailants verbally attacking you. At that point, it is best to leave the area as quickly as possible and not to engage them. If they engage you violently, then by all means fight back. Which the suspect didn't exercise good judgment at that time, and it cost him his freedom and a 17 YOM's life. Totally stupid how both parties acted. This isn't a matter of race. This is a matter of two different parties acting completely stupid. If you cannot see it for what it really is, the problem cannot be addressed. It's easier to paint it with the broad brush of racism.
4 likesGoogle User do you go to a public restaurant ONE YOU DONT OWN and tel them to change the radio station cause you don’t like the music playing NO if you didn’t like it you’re best bet is to just leave. The restaurant isn’t at fault. Same with the young men who were in THEIR PROPERTY OF THEIR CAR.
8 likesDid you hear what the black cop said? He believed they would have shot him of they had a gun. Even he admitted they were thugs. Sorry about your emotional drivel for these "children". Many of these "children" are tried by this same "justice" system as adults. And you'd be at the top screaming that it's right they do so I bet.
0 likes@Google User covert racism is the cowardly prejudiced hateful issue at hand. It's not a defense to say they didn't explicitly bring it up, with that much prejudice and inappropriate response.
1 like@Dáithi O'Cinnsealach how could that be so if they even admitted these kids didn't have a criminal record or even issues in school just say you racist and move on to you KKK meeting
8 likes@Flusterette He's still not an admitted or verifiable racist. At this point only he and God know the truth on that. But at face value, nobody can say if he did what he did as being racially motivated. He still shouldn't have done it.
1 like@Google User lol I find it hard to believe that if it was a bunch of cranky white grannies hard of hearing with loud music playing, and picking up their cane (a barrel!) saying they'd kill him for daring to demand that Sinatra's crooning be turned down because big band was too annoying for him... That he'd have reacted how he did. Or a bunch of young women. Call it what you want, a collection of ageism, sexism/gender bias, racism... Nothing about how that went down was normal at all. And his lack of remorse for the human victim, and his constant insistence that he thought he was under attack... I feel ya. But that's just a fact of what covert racism is like. It's undeniably a factor. None of them were the thugs he presumed. So at most we can assure he's prejudiced towards what he thinks thugs are... Apparently black young males with loud music and attitudes. He was blind at that point. Even admits not remembering the Durango moving. The word thugs is even very racially charged now. But yeah he didn't explicitly state it, and in fact denied it. I'm not saying it's even fully a conscious thing on his end. But he is prejudiced and unfeeling. And I strongly feel race plays a role.
4 likes@Mikayla Brown Yeah, I heard that later on. Now you are assuming I'm racist when I was just repeating what the black cop said. Maybe he was lying to the suspect. Cops have a bad habit of that no matter their colour it seems.
0 likesDavid Kinsella no it’s not him lying it’s them doing whatever they can to get the truth you only feel this way because it’s a black officer had it been a white man you woulda said it’s his job. You made a judgment off the kids after being ignorant and not getting the full information
5 likes@Mikayla Brown I was simply going off what the guy said. How was I to know he was lying? I should have guessed as these interviews show you should never trust a cop, no matter the colour. He will pretend to be on your side to try make you incriminate yourself. Guilty or not.
1 likeYou are now doing the very thing to me you accuse me of doing. Desperate to make me out to be a racist. Judging me without having full information.
Olli Rolli oh what an insult.
0 likesAmen
0 likesGoogle User What did you wanted to hear him say? “I, Michael Dunn, hate blacks with all my being” That’s not how racism works buddy, you don’t need to explicitly say you hate someone, his actions speak for itself.
8 likesGoogle User Dude what? “How is he racist”. If I openly discriminate and hold prejudice against a certain race of people based solely of the color of their skin, but then I say “I’m not a racist”, does that mean I’m not racist?
6 likes@pagundaa the thing was, he had already been charged when he was picked up at his home after running away.
0 likesGoogle User read my reply again you intellectual human being, he’s a teenager. that is how teenagers and as he puts it ‘KIDS’ would react. I don’t know if you have a normal household or what, but my 16 year old sister reacts the same when I tell her off and it is completely normal, they learn as they grow up. He called them savages because of HIS race, it’s a clear cut inference, man. Come on.
1 likeGoogle User and then not being sorry about a seventeen year old child being dead? that would make sense because he’s a racist and he didn’t value his life in the first place.
2 likes@Google User "Where is his statement of disliking black folk?" His actions and behaviors speak louder than words. I mean, in this interview look at his reaction the first time the black cop questions one of his comments....
3 likes@Google User nah he was definitely internally racist. I see your perspective but it’s just an educated inference that he was in fact racist due to his diction and the way in which he described these children. Myself and multiple other people knew the race of the children before they were shown simply by the way he spoke of them. Because we are educated on how people of color are stereotyped as “thugs”. It’s a sad world. And you should be able to view that he was racially profiling these children. A little education goes a long way. Black lives will ALWAYS and have ALWAYS mattered. People like you just don’t realize how the system degrades people simply because of the color of their skin.
2 likesThe racism is irrelevant, your free to not like people of you want, it’s the murder that’s the problem here
0 likes@Google User if you can't see the obvious racism in this case you're just blind
2 likes@Google User he doesn't have to say he was racist or explicitly say he hates black people, because he saw a car full of black kids, assumed they were thugs and assumed they had guns with no proof, and murdered one of them. that's as racist as it gets
2 likesfinally someone said it. he was racist simple
0 likes@Melted dark chocolate racism isn’t a crime
1 like@Admiral Kipper Racism, bigotry and having prejudices aren't illegal. It's not right, but it's not illegal. But this guy isn't a racist. He didn't single dude out because he was black. He singled him out because he thought his music was stupid and obnoxious. And I don't disagree with people blasting annoying ass rap music loud as hell being a pain in the ass. But he shouldn't have lashed out and then fabricated a story to cover up what he did. The fact that he didn't call 9-11 immediately after the fact, or after getting a block or so away shows he knew what he did was wrong.
0 likes@Google User I get the vibe he don’t like seasoned chicken and to be fair that kinda makes sense being old
2 likes@Google User you can commit racist acts without announcing to the world you are racist, ya donut
5 likes@Alex Crowley Without facts, it sounds like you're profiling this man just because he was an older white man. That's racist. You're racist. Not because of any facts, but just because I feel like saying it because "it feels good" to say. That is what you people sound like.
0 likes@Google User I am a white man.
1 like@Google User And damn right I’ll call him racist. It doesn’t feel good to say it, it’s shameful that it has to be said.
2 likes@Google User why are you defending a murderer?
3 likes@Google User Google user, if you don't think any of the interactions were racially charged, with such statements like "I hate that thug music" and other, then you are a peabrained lost cause, and you are beyond help.
0 likes@Admiral KipperYou can worry about both bud.
0 likesWell said
0 likes@Google User plus he literally shows zero remorse at all i mean what more do you need? something is clearly wrong, i don't think it's a reach of a conclusion to come to that he might be racist.
0 likesEveryone who's white or that disagrees with me is racist
0 likes@Alex Crowley If you watch the entire thing over again, you will find the type of music he was listening to is exactly as I stated before. By the way, just type in "thug music" into youtube - it's doesnt bring up the playlist for Sesame Street... You're a race baiter. Next!
0 likes@SabotPottery lol you couldn't be more wrong about your statement. White privilege? What's that? The right to get off my ass and make an honest living working 60 hours a week for what I have and pay taxes? If THAT is white privilege, then yes, I have it. Sig is better than Glock, by the way.
0 likes@Google User no, while i didn't read all of your comments i did see you say it was shitty and i was simply stating my opinion on the main argument here. in what way am i race baiting lol?
1 like@Google User Glad I saw your playlists before you hid your content, you had tons of Country thug music, for example; a song literally with Meth Lab in its name haha
3 likes@Google User actually, he answered your question like multiple times but it’s easy to not see something you aren’t looking for or even accepting as a possibility I guess.
1 likeDon’t think he’s a racist, Just think he’s a lunatic
0 likesWhy are you apologising for something you never done?
0 likesTo me music is not a problem if you're here in the words you know and maybe don't like the words but it's the woofers it's the base speakers that vibrate and boom into your brain these speakers these noise can cause people to have a seizures it causes anxiety it causes your heart rate to go up it's not funny.
0 likesTo me the only purpose of having woofers in your car or best speakers the vibrate are exactly to annoy people or there's another scenario they're showing off to you know the guys are flexing their muscles I got bigger better louder speakers than you that's another one. I tell you listen to that long enough and interferes with your daily life it provokes you it it's very vexing.
Juss sayin 🙉🤯
This guys real problem is that he's such a poor shooter.
0 likesI feel bad for the victim/victims family/ and this poor woman who was this douche bags fiancé.
0 likes"What were you shooting at?"
538 likes"The rear passenger door."
"Why were you shooting there"
"To save my life"
"From the door?"
I love this detective LOL
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Windsor Ongchan if there wasn’t a life lost, I would feel better about laughing about that. The investigators are great.
29 likes"Hell if there was a water gun at the scene painted black...." lol
0 likesI love how they use the white cop to get him comfortable enough to talk in the interrogation and the black cop to press him on the issues with his story. I feel so bad for the innocent 17 year old Jordan who got killed over some music. He’s so unremorseful it’s satisfying to see him give damning statements to this man. Glad he’s got life in prison, justice was served as much as it could be in this case
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Yeah it's a horrible situation. Truly, he showed no remorse or concern for the victim or the other kids he almost killed. I also feel bad for Jordan's family, he was brutally killed for no good reason.
18 likesAgreed! During Rhonda’s testimony I can tell that with each conflicting answer she gives against Dunn’s story she’ll never see the man that she loves again and with each one of her answers his conviction becomes stronger. I feel bad for her because her life changed overnight but she’ll get over it. Jordan’s family on the other hand I can’t imagine the pain, sorrow and anger that they must feel. Justice was served but complete justice would include getting their son back. Very sadly that’s impossible. They will have to live with the loss of their son for the rest of their lives. It’s so very sad. Dunn however, he’s a remorseless piece of garbage and he’s exactly where he needs to be.
8 likesThe moment when the black cop leans into the frame to start questioning him is very satisfying.
15 likesI also liked how the black cop wasn’t buying the bullshit. At a certain point, I was getting annoyed this guy seriously thought we’re all supposed to placate his delusions of inventing nonexistent shotgun barrels to justify shooting children. The black guy just straight up slaps him with “was it your imagination?”
5 likesAt one point, the black cop just facepalms in complete awe... I’m sure he’s got kids of his own and it’s his worst nightmare.
That black cop is ready to jump in and wants to rip him a new one, but these detectives know how to handle this. You can’t see his face and can totally feel his emotion!
0 likesLeast racist Fox News viewer
4 likesWhat a piece
0 likesI can't even imagine starting a argument over loud music in a place where I will most likely spend 5 minutes or less.
266 likesIt seems like he was just in a mood for trouble so he found it
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reminds me of nearly every road rage gone wrong I have ever heard or seen.
13 likesOctoboobs exactly!!!! You gonna be there for a hot sec...it ain’t like it’s the upstairs neighbor! He wanted to be a tough guy!! I hope he got that same energy in prison! 🤣🤣😩😩🤣🤣🤣
9 likesRich - yep. His son probably didn’t even want him at the wedding (notice he never spoke in defense of his dad), and at the event dunn observed his ex with a new and better man than he, which triggered his fragile ego. He left the wedding early ‘cause he was in an emotional rage, and he took it out on the poor kids within minutes.
9 likesno question. he was the instigator. his baby voice when talking to the inspectors was sickening and i know they saw right through it
0 likesGreat point
1 likeand he was under the influence of alcohol
4 likesWhat a pointless argument, it’s basically the copy paste of every road rage attacks. I mean I don’t like loud music, especially hip hop, but I will never get in argument about something so pointless and so related to my perception. If I’m waiting for the green at the traffic light, with my windows all rolled down because it’s hot, and someone’s near or back of my car, doesn’t like rock or metal music there’s no argument, if the people are there in the queue waiting for the green, because everyone is focused on getting the green light and go by their own way. I use normal volume otherwise, I can’t hear outside noises while driving, which is dangerous. If I have a migraine and someone is listening to music in a parking lot, I’m not even bothering to go to complain to the people in the car, I will buy the things that I need in the shop and then drive away, simple as that.
1 likeIf someone is searching for trouble to take out its own personal and behavioral problems, deciding to vent out the rage violently, there’s no logical need of a specific situation, every insignificant moment is a possibility to vent out, and having the adrenaline rush by using violence, no reason is needed to start this behavior. The individual is just a time bomb waiting to explode on something/someone at random.
True. Your son just got married, you had a couple drinks, your headed home to your puppy with your fiancé for a nice night. Why not just let someone enjoy their music and go on with your night?
0 likeshe keeps saying "in my mind" when describing his side of the events. he's right. his side is completely his imagination.
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That is a great point. I really think he believes he did nothing wrong. His life was NEVER in danger but he still believes it was.
9 likesTj Mckenzie did he really think that? I don’t think so.
5 likesI can't imagine the kind of hate that prompts you to shoot a group of teenagers you don't know because you don't like their music. Also on your kid's wedding day? He seriously could have just dealt with it until one of them left the parking lot in like two minutes. Then he still has the confidence to brag about it and call himself the victim. He shot at them TEN TIMES. Over MUSIC. I'm speechless. This is ridiculous.
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@Rick Justus Or just go into the store with your fiancé
4 likesWhen you were 16 did you ever threaten some guy you didn't know because he didn't like your loud music? You didn't, because you had respect for other people and you knew there was crazy people around like this old man that could pull a gun and do something stupid. So you didn't play stupid games to win stupid prizes6
3 likesOkay, there seems to be a misunderstanding here. I know there was a vocal altercation. The whole thing was started by the music, and the argument was inconsequential. He still shouldn't have shot. Also, teens are stupid. I know a ton of people who play their music too loud and get offended when you ask them to turn it down. They don't get shot at because shooting at someone over that is ridiculous. I'm not saying it's cool to blast your music and argue with people, just that nobody deserves to be shot over it.
1 like@TheFangirlOtaku no disagreement here from me. The guy was on whisky and angry and stupid. But if you go around poking your head in a bears den looking for trouble it will find you. Every teenager should be wary of being so brave around people they don't know. They need to be educated by their parents.
0 likesWhen she said "we need to go home NOW" SHE became an ACCOMPLICE!!!!
1 likeHow devastating for his Fiancee Rhonda. She seems like a genuinely sweet and kind woman
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And a bit simple...why did she just go to the hotel and go to sleep after her fiance just shot someone ?
100 likesLove can be a crazy thing
25 likes@Tom What elese is there to be done after that? And she had to go see the puppy.
40 likesFor sure. Anyone judging her is ridiculous. I'm sure she was low key scared for her life. Imagine someone you are engaged too shoots and kills someone just because of loud music. She probably realized he has a terrible violent temper and is capable of doing that to anyone
97 likesShe's probably the type to enable narcissists. Just a kind, sweet, never questioning wife. Not a bad person, but profoundly useless.
69 likesTom shock. When I found out my friend had died- I cried and then slept. When I found out I had cancer I just sat there and was asleep within 30 minutes. When my aunt died I was asleep quickly. I normally take about 2-4 hours to sleep. It’s shock and grief.
36 likes@Troispoint you don't enable narcissist. They hunt you, comb you, encompass your life, isolate you and brain wash you.
31 likesLove is blind
2 likes@Cait L. you smelled it too huh? :)
4 likesShe probably dodged a bullet
2 likes@Koke Garcia she's lying yet everything I saw her say seemed to be in line with the truth despite most of it being terrible for her fiances case. Care to elaborate?
16 likes@Nobody Matters This implies she's a passive actor in all of this. She's in her 40s. She should know better.
4 likesSHE SHOULD HAVE CALLED THE POLICE. also they were drinking and driving
8 likes@Troispoint that's fair. She is definitely a victim in this case as well. Regardless of her natural personality
2 likes@Black Lagoon Death Squad then he shoots her in "self-defense"
3 likesDamn a lot of assholes here saying how she should of done this or that. I don’t think anyone can say what they would do until they have actually been in that situation.
12 likes@Troispoint this implies you have never been a victim of a narcissist.
2 likesHow devastating for the poor kid that was killed and his friends. I don’t have any empathy for sweet and kind enablers of violet racists.
2 likesEdit: violent
@Anna Andre violet racist? He was purple?
3 likes@Cait L. Thats a crazy assumption. Thats like labeling a bunch of kids as thugs because of loud music and swearing.
11 likes@Tyler Gay never did I say she lied, if anything she is taking this whole affair as an opportunity to get rid of him (surely assured by her legal counsel that there is no chance he'd be getting out of prison). Deceitful and cowardly in the sense that she was complicit in covering the whole issue as if your partner shooting up cars at a gas station was an ordinary occurrence yet throwing him under the bus the minute police came knocking on the door! as well as her fake, affected little girl voice and mannerisms in the courtroom as opposed to her tone during the police investigation (with the exception when she "cried"). But then again... just my two cents!
1 likeNobody Matters lol 😂
1 like@Unfettered One Pretty sure if it was any woman she would get the same reception.
0 likesDevastating for the youth who lost his life. At least she didn't marry that turd. So she actually won.
4 likes@Koke Garcia Excellent comment and something to really think about thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
1 like@Cait L. I love you for your comment. You're probably right, I was looking at this wrong.
0 likes@Cait L. I think you hit the nail on the head. Down to run with the big bad dogs till the tiniest thing happens and start shaking like a chihuahua yapping about everything
1 likeSome of y'all got empty nest syndrome or something. You just see someone sniffling and shaking and you automatically go "aWhHh PoOr ThInG"
7 likesObviously shes not guilty of any crime aside from the drinking and driving but she's not totally innocent. And her being so sensitive and being so effected and traumitized by the incident doesnt change her role in the whole thing. You can criticize and analyze what happened. She objectively did some wrong things and objectively shouldve done other things. Regardless, she didn't kill or hurt anyone and this piece of shit did. Which is why she walked away and hes serving life in prison
I kind of feel bad for her. At the same time I wonder why after the shock wore off she didn’t realize that him firing shots over loud music (remember, she didn’t yet know anyone was dead) was a sign she needed to get out NOW. I don’t think she’s being fake, but I think she tends to bury her head in the sand. In the end, I might feel bad for her to an extent, I’m reserving the bulk of my sympathy for Jordan’s family.
3 likesJorge Peleteiro ok- but is someone who is a sex trafficking victim
0 likesIs scum because of who she walks with?
I follow
Your point but just trying to point out that it shouldn’t be applied in 💯 % of the time.
Jorge Peleteiro so if she didn’t emote feelings of stress and emotional
0 likesPain- she wouldn’t be deceitful?
Everyone reacts to situations differently.
The only thing u have to go by is this video, in terms of believing you fully know who she is, how she thinks, and how she is supposed
To act.
There are a good number of other more significant points and themes that I fee deserve primary address other than speculating to know what she is thinking and feeing apposed to what YOU feel she should be thinking and feeling.
@Nobody Matters yep... you dont enable a narcissist, you withstand them... and they manipulate you like im certain he did to her. if you show even the slightest bit of weakness they use that and use yourself as a weapon against yourself.
2 likes@Anna Andre so, every black person that kills a white person is racist?
0 likesPhookie Phook yeah it’s a shame that you make the assumption that none of us have I called the police and if I hadn’t I’d be sitting in Leavenworth right now she should have called 911 if anything to just check on the injured party or to report a shooting “in self defense “
1 like@Unfettered One what about opposites attract?
0 likesFelt terrible for her. And of course the victim and his friends. I always tell my son to be careful in public, because you never know who's unhinged and who isn't.
0 likesBut yes, this scumbag destroyed several lives that day.
@Nobody Matters way to true I should know my mother is one
1 like@Koke Garcia and Cait L. Can you guys enlighten me on something, please? Why is it that the only folks who ever hear these alleged "dog whistles" are the people who purport to be anti-racist? Really makes you think. 🤔
0 likesBrittany L. Coley ——-‘Brave enough to tell the truth’?? She saw those guys shot & because of the ‘look’ her fiancée gives her, she doesn’t call 911, she doesn’t stay to help......she has to get to her puppy. Any NORMAL person wouldn’t get in the car after that trauma, worrying about a puppy. Rhonda lived w/this but, which means she’s twisted in the same way but her ‘acting out’ is passive.
2 likesCome on, there is NO excuse for not calling the cops. What he did was evil. And neither of them gave a damn if people were killed. Despicable
4 likesNah! She knew what was going on and was playing dumb to walk free and live her life being the naive something.
2 likes@Mike739107 what do you mean by "dog whistles"? who are you referring to?
0 likes@Rob Banks The same could be said of your argument, perception!. I'm sure you also question people's motives and intentions on a daily basis based on the way they communicate and emote their feelings... it's only human nature!. You just choose to ride the fence in this case and take the opportunity to lecture from a high horse.
0 likesShe told the truth on the stand.
0 likesYeah she told the truth, but the way she was this quivering mess set my bullshit detectors off. I don't think she felt nearly as bad as she portrays. I think she felt 'inconvenienced' and doesn't want to be perceived negatively by the public.
1 likeJorge Peleteiro not really
0 likesMan- no high horse here. See that’s a problem
With having a constantly suspicious Perception.
Peace
All the armchair psychologists throwing Rhonda under the bus are telling quite an interesting story, too bad it doesn’t fit with the facts. Go back and listen to the call in the intro, she clearly doesn’t agree with him and tries to shut down the conversation when he goes on and on about himself being the victim. She tells the truth to the cops even when she realizes it’s bad for him. She wasn’t even with him when the shooting went down and she didn’t see it from inside the store, WTF is she supposed to do when the person she planned to spend the rest of her life lies to her about the details. The one thing I think she could have done different is to call the cops immediately but, then again, she trusted the word of her fiancé in the absence seeing the altercation herself. All this nonsense about her being complicit is a bunch of baloney. This guy is a total jerk, a liar, and a murderer but that doesn’t automatically make her bad too, it just means she made a bad choice in partners which all us (myself included) have done once or twice.
1 like@Chris Whalley calls people armchair psychologists*... *armchair psychologizes
1 likeBlue Azure, yup, it helps if you’re actually trained in criminal psychology
0 likes@Chris Whalley I don't care what you say man, something is off about that lady.
0 likesBlue Azure, which part of my assessment did you disagree with?
0 likesBlue Azure, I don’t disagree with that but there’s a lot off about a lot of people who aren’t criminals
1 like@Chris Whalley Well I certainly agree with that, sir.
1 like"Nope, you're not gonna talk to me that way."
1971 likes^In my opinion, this is the most damning evidence that Michael Dunn never feared for his life. That quote tells us clearly that he just lost his shit when a black person didn't give him the respect he felt he was owed.
Dude is a coward through and through.
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Doesn't everyone deserve respect.
19 likesWhat does him bring black have anything yo do with it? He shouldn’t be killing anyone period.
38 likes@Snoop no
62 likes@ReyCo47 A scyzoid culture .
5 likes@Juaquin Murrietta Thug Music
29 likes@Juaquin Murrietta I think the original comment is describing the murderer's thought process, which is very, very likely a racist one.
133 likes@Juaquin Murrietta @Nathan Levine wasn’t commenting on whether or not this guy should have killed anyone. He said that he killed the boy because the boy is black, which is glaringly obvious.
50 likesAnd it does have something to do with it. It’s the reason why this guy killed someone. That’s one of the first questions families ask about someone who murdered a family member, “why did they do it?”
@Juaquin Murrietta you can tell by his language that his actions were racially charged . He said “ They’re violent “ and called rap “thug music”
77 likes@Juaquin Murrietta He clearly held the opinion that black people are inherently violent, as he assumed that they were extremely hostile, had a shotgun, and assumed they were thugs. Sure he didn't shoot them specifically because they had some melanin in their skin, but it is 100% about race.
68 likes@Snoop no not everyone deserves respect
9 likesThe thing that is scary is that I don't even think they them being black was the biggest factor, the dudes a huge racist but I think his anger and narcissism would had lead to an event like this eventually
10 likes@Juaquin Murrietta it was race, he said "I hate that thug music" to his fiance about their music, having a racist stepfather myself--its race.
17 likes@JUNO still don’t know what thug music has to do with race 🥱🥱🥱 it wasn’t racially charged.
5 likes@Juaquin Murrietta because in their mind most rap, especially sang by poc, is thug music.
15 likes@Juaquin Murrietta most people associate thug music with rap and hip hop, and these genres are associated with black people. I highly doubt Michael Dunn is a person who thinks of thug music as anything that isn't rap or hip hop.
11 likes@Snoop "Sometimes people use "respect" to mean "treating someone like a person" and sometimes to mean "treating someone like an authority" For some, "if you don't respect me, I won't respect you" means "if you don't treat me like an authority, I won't treat you like a person"
9 likes@Juaquin Murrietta it’s quite clear that this was racially motivated lmao
4 likes@MicahDude no one has given me any real solid evidence that backs up their claims of racial motivation.
3 likes@Maddie it’s really not evident to me, no racial motivation in this case.
3 likes@Juaquin Murrietta and i agree with you
2 likes@Juaquin Murrietta the fact you keep poking at people to explain what race has to do with it, is a you problem. Just because you don’t see the obvious fact the man’s actions were fueled by his racist thought process, doesn’t mean it’s not there, it just means that you don’t understand.
17 likes@Cady still yet no one has explained to me where the racial motivation is… someone said “thug music” but as far as I know every race on planet earth has rap and thug music. So I don’t know how it can be racially charged when there’s no evidence to back it up.
2 likes@Juaquin Murrietta “thug music” calling them violent when they didnt do shit.
2 likesPhone ☎️ call ☎️ at your office
0 likes@Snoop no
1 likeNot everyone deserves it
In order to get it
You must give it
Even THEN you are not entitled to someones respect
Its earned
In Dunn’s case, he never warranted anything but a confrontation
And now look where he at….
@Juaquin Murrietta the thug music comment is a dog whistle. The whole point is that there’s the plausible deniability. When someone points the dog whistle out no one else knows what they’re talking about apart from a select few (usually those who hold the same beliefs). This allows whoever is using the dog whistle to deny holding whatever belief they’re being accused of holding while making the person pointing it out look crazy.
4 likesThe idea that black people (mainly black men) are thugs has historical roots in racism, hence the use of the word thug. Since rap specifically has a lot of black men who both make it and listen to it it’s “thug music”.
@Juaquin Murrietta as someone in another comment mentioned I recommend reading his letters from prison Hes way more openly racist in them.
5 likesHis character and ability to murder someone like this tells me he would have done this to anyone who angered him enough at that moment in time, regardless of colour. There are a lot of grumpy old men who get enraged over kids playing their music really loud, or even playing on skateboards or bikes. I had something similar as a youth and I’m a white female (only difference is, me and my mates weren’t shot) but we were accused of listening to bad music and looked at like we were scum … I’m 40 now and went through phases of listening to some pretty hard and heavy music with some shocking lyrics so I am not surprised the oldies were disgusted by it. I remember my mother saying “why are you listening to that rude druggie stuff that criminals listen to?” - and I repeat: I am white, not black. These old people say “thug music” because they genuinely think it is gang / criminal music, no matter what skin colour you have… they don’t realise kids are just kids and just because they listen to that music and they swear and use the F word, it doesn’t mean they are bad or dangerous criminals! I went through a massive Marilyn Manson phase and back in those days people thought I was a satanist lol. Nothing could be further from the truth - but this is what the older generation thought of me and my buddies. Of course, his opinions do not give him an excuse - that’s why he’s saying “they threatened my life” - which is obviously not true. The truth is, he’s a murderer, he’s aggressive, angry, narcissistic and self righteous and basically projecting his bad character into those boys. And as much as I wouldn’t blast music like I used to 15 years ago, that doesn’t mean I expect anything less from teenagers nowadays. Teenagers DO annoy me a bit now I am older, but I always remember I was once a teenager myself. Of course they answer back and swear and play loud music - that’s what teens do. As adults we just have to be understanding and patient. This man wasn’t scared for his life at all. He knew they were just being cocky arrogant teens - which isn’t a crime. He thought he was better than them and he was already enraged over their music and when they then dared challenge him and answered back it tipped his rage over the edge and he then fired the rounds - this crime was an anger rage crime, it was impulsive and not a racially driven crime (in my opinion) and i can guarantee he has always been a liar, a manipulator and a bully and he’d have done it to me and my mates too.
1 likeI agree. Justice was served but that innocent teenager died for no reason and that’s the tragedy in all of this.
1 likeLesson? I don’t know. You cannot trust or expect strangers to react rationally u under any circumstances. Avoid confrontation and practice patience when dealing with sick twisted people for the sake of your life.
@Snoop Are you serious? ?? Of course not.. You can not and should not respect everyone. That would be like committing suicide... e.g. why would I respect someone who tortures animals.. respect to all the rapists.. respect all the murderers.. were you joking? What a stupid comment.
0 likes"I don't know how many kids were in that but the windows were down" All over music. What a sad story for all involved. Entire lives will be different. Imagine if he had never bought a gun, that type of man probably wouldn't even of mentioned the music to them. He was a "I have a gun so I'm a tough guy" type of guy. The worst kind. Cowards. That man could of done a million other things then shoot to kill and try to play victim.
0 likes@Juaquin Murrietta Not someone. The murderer said "thug music." He referred to the victims as violent, despite the fact that they did nothing violent to him. It was absolutely racially motivated, everyone knows it, including you, and your bad-faith mental gymnastics do absolutely nothing to cast doubt on that. Even your original comment is very telling, "He shouldn't be killing anyone period." This would be relevant if he'd killed lots of people of all different races, but he didn't.
4 likesThe people he pulled a gun on and shot at were black. The fact that he isn't getting into conflicts like this with people of all races, only black people, should make it clear that his problem was their race. You can talk like you don't see color or all lives matter or whatever other nonsense you want to say, but you're just trying to cover up racism and act like it's not happening.
Yes, killing people, any people of any kind, is bad. In this situation, though, the conflict happened because the attacker had a problem with black people. If it were some good old country boys sitting in a pickup truck blasting Tim McGraw, he would have had no issue with them. He was suspicious of them and ready to attack them because of their racial identity. Another witness said he didn't park next to them because he didn't want to deal with the loud music. This guy picked the spot next to them because he wanted an excuse to use his gun on black people.
@Shaurmiath still no where does thug music imply any race 😭 all that jib-jab you just spewed out doesn’t apply to this situation he never mentioned their race. So everyone cant jump to conclusions saying it was racially charged. All an Inference. Which is you drew the conclusion of racial because that’s what you chose to see and make it out to be. All I’m going off of is facts. That facts are that he murdered an innocent man and you can prove anything was racially tied.
1 like@Juaquin Murrietta in his letters he said “blacks seem to be calling the shots” and “the whites who live in Jacksonville know how the blacks behave” if you want to read his letters You could see it more clearly. But in regards to what you heared, calling the black men violent and thug without any apparent reason other than music is most likely due to race.
5 likes@Juaquin Murrietta You're really going through some contortions to pretend race didn't factor into it. Thug music ABSOLUTELY, 100%, without a doubt implies race to anyone who uses it. He didn't have to scream "this is because you are black" while opening fire for everyone to be able to tell that it was about race. Just because you refuse to see it doesn't mean that we're jumping to conclusions, you clown.
6 likesAnd when you say "all that jib-jab you spewed doesn't apply," that just tells me you didn't read it. Don't try to have discussions if you don't actually want to consider what others say.
@Shaurmiath let me weigh in here and state that Dunn is demonstrably racist and also that rap IS thug music. Gang bangers aren't riding around listening to Beethoven or Radiohead. Just because people that aren't thugs listen to rap does not preclude it from being the unofficial genre of thugs. Not to mention the lyrical content is often about violent and abusive themes.
1 likeThat all said, Dunn's racism made him perceive these kids as a threat, and that's why he shot.
@Jarrad Pechie Honestly, I agree with what you're saying. That was more or less my point. The person I was replying to was insinuating that "thug music" could mean anything, and I was insisting that he knew exactly what it meant.
1 like@Shaurmiath would Tupac be considered racist today then?
0 likes@Floyd Abrams Did Tupac say he hated "that thug music" when black people were listening to rap in a vehicle near him? No? Maybe drop the stupid bad faith arguments, then.
0 likes@Juaquin Murrietta He called them "thugs" and called them aggressive, typically people who do these things (shoot at black people) say this type of stuff to cover ip for racism and the assumption that all black people are "thugs".
1 likeHis death was one that the BLM movement also gave alot of coverage causing it to be synonymous with unnecessary violence to unarmed black people.
@Snoop Respect is earned.
0 likesexactly.
0 likes@Nanox19435 normally I try and see the good in people....I belive most ppl are not racist. Most people do not let someone's race, gender, etc effect how they see someone. But hearing michael Dunn say "what do you expect?? They're violent" when talking to his fiancé....that absolutely shows me he was being prejudice and judging based on race. This man thought claiming self defense gives you an out on shooting someone you had an altercation with. He was pissed they didn't back down, knowing he had his gun gave him bigger balls, and he was wanting to have an excuse to shoot his gun and use his ccw
2 likesThis should not be what people think of people who lawfully carry....my husband, a disabled marine veteran carries everywhere....he hopes he NEVER has to use it, he says he is even less likely to confront people bc he really doesn't ever want to have to use our line of defense. It's not a weapon to teach people a lesson....its a last line of defense when you or a loved one's life is in danger.
@Juaquin Murrietta they’re saying Michael Dunn is a racist
0 likesFor people to also say he was calling black people violent. He wasn’t and never said that. He was trying to create a fake story in which he was being threatened for his life by another person. Never in any sort of instance did he say black people were violent.
0 likesPerfect comment. Agreed.
0 likes"You guys are seeing this as murder" Yes because you murdered someone.
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True.
26 likesI think his argument was that it was self defense, this didn't seem to hold water as the defendant had no reason to believe his life was in any danger.
I am no pro on Florida law here, but I find it incredible that the prosecution was able to secure a 1st degree murder conviction on him. I just don't see how this is first degree murder in any way, he didn't plan on running into these particular people at this particular gas station. So I just don't know how this was 1st degree murder, 2nd degree? Maybe... 1st degree? No. Anyways the guy is a piece of shit and with all the other convictions he wasn't ever going to get out anyways. But still, scary that a jury found him guilty of a charge that he ABSOLUTELY did not commit, simply because there was no other homicide charges filed by the DA.
5 likes@thenerdnetwork Also not a lawyer, but my understanding of the first-degree is that premeditation can be basically instant; it doesn't have to be a drawn-out process. First degree is apparently defined by "willfulness" (intent to kill at least a person, even if it isn't specific), "deliberation" (awareness of consequences and choice to do so regardless, and not provoked on equivalent scale), and "premeditated" (considered beforehand, which to quote the website I'm looking at, "can be as simple as seeing a weapon nearby and using it to commit the act").
36 likesOn those grounds, I can see how this can be argued into first degree, even if-- as little leeway as this shitstain deserves-- he probably wasn't specifically aiming to kill someone, he just wasn't sorry about doing it. He willfully fired that gun at people, deliberately aiming at them; he had an awareness of what the consequences of that action could be, and despite his flimsy claims of self-defense was not sufficiently provoked to retaliate with gunfire; he sat in the car and thought about it for at least long enough to pull the gun out and (probably) switch off the safety before he fired, and long enough to reload/re-aim/whatever between volleys.
On those grounds, with premeditation not having a set time minimum-- yeah, it does qualify as first-degree. He made a conscious choice, with the time to think about it, to fatally endanger other lives while being fully aware of the potential consequences of his actions.
Lolno
1 likeI thought the same exact thing 😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳
1 likeRacists are delusional... Withing the first minute of this video he not only highlights his prejudice but also dehumanizes a group of people. He thinks Black people are animals, that's what he believes, so in his mind, he truly is thinking "what's the big deal, I go deer hunting all the time! This isn't murder"
3 likes@thenerdnetwork the premeditation can be a second before the murder.
1 likeI mean it would classify as homicide, right? But yeah, the point stands
1 like@Posegativity likely
0 likesHe wanted his fiancé to lie for him. That’s why he calls her and says, I was a victim. He is a narcissist and I wonder what he was saying to her on the way back to the hotel and on the way home. She didn’t lie for him and it’s clear that she feared him. Lying and perjuring yourself is wrong, but I wonder if she would have lied for someone who was really a nice person who made a mistake, but wasn’t harming her in any way. 🤔 I bet he terrorized her. Not one tear for that poor young boy who had his whole life ahead of him. An innocent who talked back like a lot of teenagers do.
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Linda Ann Quiles, you're exactly right....Deep down, she was probably elated to tell the truth and put him away... Could've truly been an escape out of an abusive relationship. Who knows....🤷🏿♂️🤔
8 likesHe is far worse than just a narciccist he's also a psychopath, no remorse, no way if thinking,
0 likesI was myself raised by a narciccist and I'm glad I'm away from him,
From personal experience
Shame on the dude, I just hope he rots in jail, and doesn't get out. But unfortunately these killers find ways to get out, from bribing to escape. It's really disgusting, reminds me of this dude that killed a bunch of people and is getting out this year, they have it to easy, they always say without parole and then they still get parole.
I’m black and I’m from Memphis, but I believe him. Lil bro was capping, rapping the words to the song trying to intimidate the old white man. You gotta watch your words before they cost you💯
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Yes. “Song lyrics” lead to a child’s death reasonably
1 likeYeah...I'm blue and from smurf village smoking reefer grown by gargamel
0 likes@Papa Smurf I bet gargamel has some good shit
0 likesIf I discovered that I took someone’s life by mistake, I would be inconsolable.
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Exactly! A 17 year old kid?!? And I'd be like outraged that I had such deeply ingrained racism that in a moment like that I was a total piece of shit and murdered a young man cause I imagined he had a shotgun. But nah this dude doubled down on his inherent American white supremacy and tried to say he was defending himself from a careful of teenagers baking away in fear. Rot in hell my guy! You won't be missed.
92 likesBecause you’re a good person
39 likesThis video is not about a mistake.
33 likesBack to the that-one-time-I-accidentally-squished-a-turtle-with-my-car thing...I practically lost my mind with grief and guilt. If that had been a person? Holy cow.
23 likesRight! And a teenager at that!! He only thinks of himself.
9 likes@Kornelija Earthling I think another issue is that he was drunk and obviously not think straight. I have never been drunk myself but I imagine it has some sort of thought impairing effect. The fact that he himself has gun in his car likely makes him more likely to assume others do too.
5 likes@Bigman Dogs But the point is, when he sobered up and realized that he had killed an unarmed teenager, he should have been a wreck. Instead, he doubled down on his actions. That's pretty heartless.
29 likesGrow up it’s not about u it’s about the victim
3 likesso cute
1 like@Bigman Dogs I've been every level of drunk except dead and I never actually shot someone, puked on someone but didn't shoot em so idk but it sounds fishy
4 likesThat has nothing to do with this. You wouldn't feel that way if you were claiming self defense, which is his entire defense.
2 likesAthena124 he didn’t take it by mistake. He shot at them with intention.
3 likesI'd be freaked out if I even shot a firearm in public I'd call police immediately
3 likesI can’t even imagine how devastated I would be. I cry when I hit squirrels while I’m driving. 😕
1 like@fooflateka Well he definitely had bullets. You know, in his fucking chest.
1 like@fooflateka I’m french actually lol. But considering you keep dragging politics into this matter I’m guessing you’re American. Nothing more ‘murican than politicizing peoples existences at every turn.
1 likeDitto. I'd be a mess. I can't even hurt a fly. 🥺 And this guy sitting in court just casually throwing it aside. Even if I was justified to take a life, I'd take years to overcome that. This guy. Zero. Remorse.
0 likes@fooflateka yeah because the car doubled back to call for 911 after Michael Dunn left. There was never a weapon found in the teenagers car, none of the teenagers had a criminal record. Didn’t you watch the doc?
0 likesHow traumatizing for those boys in that car. Watching their friend bleed out after running for their lives. Over music. I can’t imagine the flashbacks they have
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Right? The officer saying "those two shot at were fine", I was thinking "no, none of them are 'fine'".
116 likesIkr?!
4 likesI was thinking about his mother, what if she had other kids, I know I would be too scared for my other kids life to let them go hang out with friends after that.
41 likesOver death threats and advancing toward him.
12 likes@Not Sure please play devil’s advocate somewhere else. If he was being advanced, he wouldn’t need to shoot THROUGH a car door to effectively hit the person ‘advancing’ him.
74 likes@Nichole Brown Sure he would. If that person was behind the door and there was probability that he was armed (which there was - remember only perception matters here), then he would need to shoot through the door and window to hit the assailant. I'm not playing Devil's advocate, I'm playing victim's advocate.
4 likes@Not Sure you’re advocating for the unarmed boy shot at 3 times through a car door and 4 times while fleeing, by saying someone PERCEIVED him as dangerous? Lmao right. If I perceive you as a heartless psychopath and therefore dangerous, do I get permission to take you out bc I don’t like your words?
81 likes@Not Sure No I don’t. Which is why the real victim here is unfortunately dead. Your brother in arms is deservingly in jail for murder. Send him a few letters sympathizing with him instead of caping for him on YouTube.
56 likes@Not Sure garbage.
34 likes@Not Sure his wife testified against him Awipe
39 likes@Not Sure not yet it seems. :)
5 likes@cap Nope
1 like@Meredith Wild No, yet. Lil Bill got justice through the door years ago. In one swift motion, quick as a flash.
2 likesRespect is earned not given.
2 likes@Not Sure This literally makes zero sense? self defense isn’t killing anyone you perceive as a threat, in that case someone with anxiety could kill just about every person they come across. It’s about whether or not said person was an actual threat, which they weren’t. Simple. And also….you’re wrong. “Perception” isn’t the only thing that matters here, which is why he’s in jail and not the people who did nothing wrong. I’d suggest you read up on self defense precedent, but you’ve proven to be incapable of basic critical thinking skills. There’s no way you can read law.
30 likes@Not Sure bigot
12 likes@Christopher Darden Yes?
2 likesHilarious
1 like@Lemonworm No, it proves he didn't get past the door. That's not the beginning of the process. It was never argued that the process was completed. That's the point of suppressive fire. To hinder that process. It's beautiful and virtuous to be racist.
2 likesI bet they still blast their music everywhere they go.
4 likes@Chris Prescott Hell yeah.
1 like@Chris Prescott yea it’s almost like in America loud music in public isn’t illegal & punishable by death
21 likes@Not Sure how far has racism gotten you?? Can’t be too virtuous if you’re online trying to make people upset. Does the unfulfilling job and empty bed and racism keep you warm at night while you think about all the people in life you haven’t been good enough for?
18 likes@Nichole Brown Nah. Just saying I bet they didnt learn from their experience. Cant look weak.
1 like@Nichole Brown Several ongoing side pieces, and self respect is how far. 😎
1 like@Not Sure you needed racism to help you respect yourself? Yikes. Explains why you’re forced to show small pieces to yourself to different women for willful companionship.
17 likes@Nichole Brown It has lead to violence an uncountable amount of times. I'm not supporting the shooter by the way. What he did was probably motivated by racism and ego, and it was murder straight up.
1 like@Chris Prescott so why does the straight up racially motivated murder need to result in the teenagers learning a lesson? When their murder was unwarranted and racist? Lol do you not hear yourself.
11 likes@Nichole Brown Yeah. Argue with me instead of the actual racists in the thread. Cool.
0 likes@Chris Prescott & now you’re the victim lol but scroll up babe I’ve been checking ALL of you that seem to place an inkling of blame on these teenagers
4 likes@Nichole Brown Well I can tell you for a fact that Dunn didnt learn anything. He thinks hes the victim. Did you know that both sides can learn lessons from situations that they end up in? What a concept.
1 like@Chris Prescott is that what you said in your OP? Or did you say bet those boys still blast their music, as if music is why they were killed & not an unhinged racist. THEN you doubled down and said violence happens all the time bc of music. Then you realized you were blaming the victims and said but but ‘Dunn didn’t learn anything either!’ Lmao okay Chris! I’ll go argue with the real racists of the world not the passive ones
16 likes@Nichole Brown you're fantastic. 🙌🏻💖 I hope you have the best day, week, month, year, life.
10 likes@Will Richert your Saturday night suck that much you’d rather be hateful towards teens you never met? Very sad. Hope your heart flutters when you get this notification thinking it’s someone that enjoys you just for you to realize it’s another person telling you how worthless you are. Have a great night!
9 likes@Nichole Brown im not here to fight with anyone im just saying yes people have been killed several times for things like loud music , were i live there was a case of someone who got stabbed in the eye and died there over a parking spot is messed up but not rare at all
1 like@Shaggy G I’m not talking about ‘things like loud music’. If you can’t quickly find 10 different cases of people being murdered specifically for playing loud music in their car on public property in the last 5 years then it’s rare. But regardless that’s a very weird & pointless thing for you to want to point out. Out of all the comments above that’s what you want to disprove lol k
4 likes@Shaggy G Idk what you’re picking sides for but again, k lol
5 likes@Shaggy G k lol
3 likes@Nichole Brown couldn't have said it better myself. 👍
3 likes@Not Sure who's an edgy boy? Yes, you are 🥰🥰🥰
3 likes@Daniel Gadomski Cool.
1 like@JAYDEE I didn't claim that they do...
0 likes@Not Sure if youre trolling, then you are fucking winning at an astronomical level
0 likes@Seething Walnut I'm not trolling but thanks. Still winning though.
1 likeI know. Hip hop destroys black lives in many ways.
0 likes@Tony Arcieri Same.
0 likesTraumatized.. Give me a break..
1 likeHonestly I think he was in fear for his life but it was an irrational, over-reaction drunken fear. I do think the teen in the back was probably being an ass and was singing/rapping along to whatever the song was. The victim didn't help himself out but this guy shouldn't have even been driving after he had so much to drink. The kid didn't deserve to die but he thought someone wasn't gonna defend himself after he threaten him. (Though I think the original threat was actually music lyrics)
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@Jojo no, not at all....hence why I said "he didn't deserve to die".
0 likes@Mrs. Bees my bad I commented that while I was half asleep ur good my bad
2 likes@Jojo i understand. Mistakes happen. Hope you have a great day
1 likeThe guy was based
1 likeScared, anxious, shaking, nervous, confused, and not in control of her emotions. Yet, not a single nerve of her righteousness ever falters. Courage my friends, in its truest form.
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write a book
23 likesI know that's random but this is beautifully written (and true ofc) but honestly
the obvious racial narrative
1 likeDunn: I shot at the door
2023 likesDetective: What was the purpose of that ?
Dunn : Save my life
Detective : From the Door ?
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Had to think of this Bill Burr bit in which he places himself in the mind of his agitated dog: "Is it the door? Are you mad at the door?"
39 likes@J F Lol, Very True !
3 likeslmao
1 likeDunn : The Door looks angry to me, its red 😐
18 likesHe had to save himself from the door before it became ajar.
11 likes@Patrick Lawler exactly because no one has seen what happens after the door becomes ajar. No one has EVER talked about it
2 likes@J F I saw that when I was in Jr High lmao. One of his best bits
0 likesCome on man, you know the 3rd leading cause of death in America are militant car doors. A trunk lid killed my chihuahua, damn hyper violently exterior car designs.
1 like🤣👌
0 likes@Andreas Salim lol that's cute!
0 likesI read this as soon as It played on the video haha
0 likesAnd if they shoot first. Now what u say fool
0 likesSelf defence is not shooting first.
1 likeImagine facing your son's murderer and seeing him openly cry in the court room about his dog....
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I hope they were a little sedated. Because I don’t think I could have kept my composure.
44 likesIf I raised my son to get bitchy over his friend turning down the music.
14 likesI wouldn't be suprised.
The little emotional son, probably talked too much, and ended up asking for it.
I doubt he was a wise 17 year old Jesus incarnate who was trying to be peacful, and died in the process.
@Robbie Ezc it's amazing how people can make up excuses for shooting people. He asked for it, right.
88 likesHe was a kid, he didn't deserve to get killed. You have never complained?? EVERYONE COMPLAINS!!!! What kind of sick person thinks someone deserves to die over music. I hope you don't have any kids you are a terrible person. He was just a kid and there could have been more deaths since he just unloaded his gun like a cold blooded murderer.
58 likesRobbie Ezc RIP the dead and rot away the jailed 🤟🏿
0 likeswhat is wrong with that? My cat is worth 50000000 people!
3 likes@Robbie Ezc I hope to god you never loose one of your loved ones over something so trivial and idiotic.
15 likes@Johnny I appreciate it, but unfortunately everyone makes their own decisions, and these things happen.
3 likesI hope for everyone that they will make the right decisions, behave with respect, and decency.
@Erin M No lack of empathy.
1 likeYou are being emotional, while I'm being logical.
@all i do is watch even his own friends admitted that everything was civil, until the one that died started running his mouth.
0 likesSurprise suprise the one that started it, is the one who ended up getting hit...(ps. It isn't a surprise, he made himself the target)
Trigger happy Michael was gunning for him specifically.
I doubt he was a 17 year old Jesus incarnate, trying to be peaceful, and loving, and died in the process.
Robbie Ezc No, it’s called having humanity. It’s not about logic.
12 likes@Erin M your "humanity" lacks logic.
0 likesRobbie Ezc okay, how is murdering a teenage boy for being rude over loud music “logical”? And why are you putting “humanity” in quotations? What does that mean? Do you feel like you’re above humanity?
9 likesRobbie Ezc Even if we were to disregard the value of that boy’s life, the man still murdered a youngin over something trivial and petty and threw his own life away in the process. Where’s the logic in that?
4 likes@Erin M maybe If you actually read my words, instead of trying to fight with me.
3 likesYou would understand what I am saying
I value all life.
The logic here is that it's done and over with.
How could situations like this be avoided in the future?
If one can be aware that starting confrontations with people is usually a bad idea.
That's a very good step in the right direction.
Who could teach such a simple lesson? The parents.
All parents need to be examples for their children, or their children will likely repeat their behavior.
Ive been outside of America for years, I've been to different counties.
America is different than the rest of the world.
Here we believe "starting a confrontation doesnt mean you should die"
And we can all agree to that.
But in this world there are all sorts of people who do all sorts of things.
In real life, that's how you get into some ugly ugly situations, by starting a confrontation.
It's better to walk away, that way nobody has to get hurt.
The true definition of "Timid" those with great weapons, yet refuse to use them.
People should be timid, in the sense that regardless of what powerful weapons they may have at their disposal, they prefer the peaceful approach, and do not let their ego get the best of them.
Robbie Ezc how about you stop dodging my questions and answer them?
2 likes@Erin M I answered your question thoroughly. If you don't get it you can read it again.
2 likesRobbie Ezc you didn’t answer my questions at all and the fact that you can’t even address my points directly shows that you know there’s no logic in what this man did.
3 likes@Robbie Ezc I think you're asking for it
2 likes@Jimmy Pineapple I'll tell you a secret Ethen, your thoughts...are lies.
1 like@Erin M I've explained the entirety of the situation to you, and it's there in the comment section as proof.
1 likeYou continue to fail in reading, so this time I suggest you work on your literacy.
We can't communicate via text, if you can't read.
Robbie Ezc I’m asking where YOUR logic is.
1 like@Erin M Read my past comments. theres no need to repeat myself.
1 likeRobbie Ezc you’re the one that brought up logic so you should be able to explain yourself, unless you’re ready to admit that you’re wrong and you just like dancing on children’s graves?
1 like@Erin M You can go read up, I've explained to you many times.
1 likeClaiming that I haven't explain completely discredits you, and is proof, that you're a liar.
Robbie Ezc I don’t know why that comment got reported, along with my other one that I had to edit into one of my responses. I would take a loooong look in the mirror before telling people they’re controlled by their ego. The visceral reaction to your callous words is what defines us as humans. Raw emotion exudes when we feel injustice, inequality, and experience just all around senseless tragedy. If you can say you’ve discussed every topic levelheaded and dispassionately, congratulations, you either pretty much feel nothing or you’re on the spectrum. I’m not insane at all, I’m pressing you for something because you’re incapable of giving direct answers. It is not that hard to answer a question directly and you refuse to do that, even though you dug yourself in that hole. The fact is, the remarks you made about a teenage boy’s murder would make most normal humans capable of feeling anything quite upset, because your comments are cruel and most of all completely unwarranted. Who made you the arbiter of looking at these situations “objectively”? Cause that what it seems you think you are. How am I liar? How can you throw around random accusations like a crazy person and not feel like everything you say is a joke? 😂
2 likes@Robbie Ezc YOU said you have no empathy. And you demonstrated that with your comments. You continue to do so by calling me "weak." What a wierd and animalistic way to argue...
1 like@Erin M lol, i struck your nerves Erin.
1 likeLook at all your reactions.
@Erin M you're talking about yourself, lol.
1 like@A T never said any of that, more weak claims with no proof.
1 likeMade by weak people.
Robbie Ezc “ I value all life, expect those who play loud music” this is what you sound like. You are blaming a 17 year old for being murdered by an grown ass man
1 likeRobbie Ezc So because a 17 year old said “fuck that guy” he’s evil? Do you really have zero understanding of how the real world works?
0 likes@Ollie Hood making up stuff, just like all these other weak claims.
1 likeProvide proof. Your quotations so far are not what I've said.
If you continue to twist my words, and contort them to your false beliefs, you're no better than the mainstream media.
Yes cursing someone is definetly evil....how is that love?
There is hatred, and there is love.
You either have one or the other
Love is the absence of hatred.
Without hatred there is only love.
@ileana banana people have died over far less
1 like101 don't speak to the law
0 likesTheres no self-defence here. You dont shoot at people ten times and then say “i won”, much less about a couple of kids being kids.
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Exactly. That's what gets under my skin. Of course some young lads are going to sass an older man for telling them to turn down the music. He could have moved his car, or just gone into the store with his fiancé until they were ready to go. There was no justification for death.
69 likesRight exactly! When you are in fear and defend yourself you think protect myself,! so 10 shots the first separate from the others! Crazy racist bastard
11 likesThis one was certainly tough to watch. Even as they were pulling away, he kept shooting. So many cases where a person is being attacked, the victim disarms them and then uses the weapon on the attacker. They just switched who the victim was. They teach this in most firearm safety classes that have a self defense component. Personal protection is a last resort, not a first resort.
5 likesKids mentally but may have been as tall or stronger physically, and there were 4 of them. While I am not defending what he has done and he deserve the consequences, the "kids" should've been taught public decency as well.
5 likes@My Peep's 7:53 listen carefully. 🗿
2 likesAnd parents should make it clear to their children that their blaring, thumping music is highly intrusive, rude and jarring to others. It IS a passive-aggressive, in-your-face behavior. Actually, never mind, kids already know this.
5 likes@Diane Taylor In no way does that justify someone getting shot and dying. Let alone a kid.
5 likes@Sloane M Did I say that?
1 like@QKVooDoo yes they probably were stronger physically. But they didnt attack him with fists. Didnt have a weapon. And didnt threaten him. He was in absolutely no danger. I am a petite women. Most men are way stonger than me and could overpower me easily. But that doesnt give me right to murder any of them.
4 likes@Diane Taylor you insinuated that by saying it’s the kids and the parents fault for not teaching their children to play music at a lower volume
0 likes@Sloane M Not “fault”. It’s our “responsibility” as parents to teach manners, ethics and civility to our children before we send them out in the world on their own. Blaring sound at strangers is bad behavior. It is a military psyops tactic known to cause distress. Kids know this is wrong. It’s an act of rebellion.
0 likes@Diane Taylor Almost ALL teenagers/kids act rebellious to feel more 'independent' and 'grown', I don't even know if you have kids but I'm sure you were a teenager once and witnessed other kids acting out - either way it's hard to get them to listen once they go into such a phase. Blaring loud music is of course jarring, but it shouldn't anger you to such an extent. I mean he was a teenager once as well. You're making this out to be more deep than it already is lmfao.
3 likes@Francesca N I think that’s exactly what I said, so I’m not sure what your point is. And it doesn’t “anger” me to any extent. It’s irritating. It’s rude. It’s intentional.
0 likes@Diane Taylor 'Irritating' = 'angering'. What exactly is your point? You're arguing with people saying that the parents should've taught them better (over something that should barely irritate you) and I'm saying that teenagers going through a rebellious phase won't listen.
1 like@Terp the Bandit Of course they are physically mature, my whole point was that they are not cognitively mature and that refusal to turn loud music down is not a serious act of defiance or rebellion. All I'm saying is that teaching a child respect whilst they are going through a rebellious phase is difficult and that loud music is generally barely irritating and shouldn't anger someone to such an extent and really not that serious. Of course threatening someone physical harm is serious - which cannot compare to this situation. The children in the car did not attempt any sort of aggressive confrontation at all, so there was no reason to feel threatened. I'm not really sure with what you're attempting to get at here.
1 like@My Peep's How did you hear 8 shots when the audio record clearly hearing 10 shots 😂👍
0 likes@My Peep's 😃 You hear 3 shots first then 4 shots and finally last 3 shots which adds to 10 the audio confirms how did you supposedly heard 4 + 4 shots = 8 shots???? 😂👍
0 likes@My Peep's 😂 How do you know if he had 8, 10, or 15 round clip???? They never say BUT the audio clearly recorded 10 shots 😂👍
0 likes@My Peep's 😂 Too bad Cant report on stupidity 😂👍
0 likes@My Peep's Again Audio record confirms 10 shots. Prove me wrong?? Oh wait you CANT 😂👍
0 likes@My Peep's 7:57 Prove me Right 10 shots said, shown, and finally heard which prove you absolutely Wrong 😂😂😂😂😂👍
0 likes@My Peep's On the contrary its you that's comprehensively challenged here 😃👍
0 likesMichael: “A car full of thugs; playing thug music”
3549 likesAlso Michael: Acts like a real thug by shooting them down
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Also Also Michael: *previously beat his ex-wives and pulled guns on them*
201 likesThis guy needs to stay out of Tampa. Loud music happens hourly. If you don't care for it... Move your car to a different space or find another store. He said they were there first. This guy is beyond stupid and down right mean. Leave them kids alone.
73 likes@Poo'dee I don't blame Jordan for talking back to him. He told them (not asked) to turn the music down and decided to be a smartass about it by adding "I can't hear myself think". He acted like the music somehow froze him and prevented him from moving his car or going into the store with Rhonda.
50 likes@Jake Yates probably why the wife testified against him. 👍🏼
28 likes@Spiritual Ru Fiancé but yeah
4 likesThey were teenagers coming back from the mall and blasting music. What group of teens hasn't done that? Even I did that a few times in high school.
49 likes@Jam1053428 Me neither. Dunn acted like he lived at the gas station.
8 likes@Jake Yates I don't think it matters lol. Even if Jordan was completely in the wrong for talking back that still doesn't mean you can whip out your chrome .45 and start blasting
11 likes@Brian D It should matter.
0 likesAnd it was a 9mm.
They say Thug these days, but we know what word they really want to use.
19 likes@Ryan Berman Exactly, they aren’t fooling anyone
9 likes@LuxLoose remorse, empathy. Any good person would still feel something toward the person they’d killed in self-defence.
6 likesHe displays no remorse, no empathy.
At least they weren't literal children. "Real thugs" do that just about every weekend. People watch these videos in disgust but watch gang violence like theyre war vets.
3 likes@Amanda Barnhart ladies and gentlemen, our 1st racist Amanda, has entered the conversation.
18 likesLolololol
0 likes@Poo'dee - And if you are playing music too loud and it is past the noise ordinance time, hope they get called on and get tickets. People are RUDE.
0 likes@Nun Ya Here in Tampa, the police ask you to kick it back some & you do. No harm no foul. It's petty.
0 likes@Jake Yates who the hell tells or even asks someone on the street to turn the music down. He was just looking for trouble, wanted to use his gun.
1 like@Moomyung I still do it High 🤣
0 likes@Jake Yates Dunn is exactly the same as Michael Drejka. Wouldn't say anything to anybody if he hasn't got his Gun with him.
0 likes@Mr Ataxophobia Definitely. Dude was 45 but looked like he was 60.
1 like@Clarence Worley it's Dunn's Daughter
0 likesThat's how you solve the problem
0 likes@That Part lol I know!! Why she lying about that....we all know what he said it's ridiculous how obvious it was.
0 likes@Bean Soup lmao exactly 🤦🏽♂️
0 likesMan was like a true thug and did a fucking drive-by wtf 💀
2 likesI do believe playing loud music at s gas station is a little disrespectful. But I don't believe it's bad enough for someone to be killed over it.
0 likes@Jake Yates WELL, ACTUALLY 🤓 (how you sound like)
0 likesWhy is she blurred? Her face is all over the other videos about this case.
1 likeI almost wish the "I'm the victim" phone call was saved for the end when you can totally comprehend just how out of touch this dude was
98 likesI like that the victim's friends admitted the kid was talking trash. They are describing a real person, not trying to make up a story about an angel, the way Dunn was desperately trying to do about himself, also the fact that this came to trial 15 months later and his fiancee was still telling the same story and it was against him made her very credible. He had all of that time get that story of her's twisted in her mind, but couldn't.
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I do think the boys made some good decisions like immediately leaving the parking lot and then returning instantly, but admitting the trash talk was kind of necessary. That was a central part of the case, he got trashed talked so he shot them, and so if they try to claim he wasn’t trash talking, it would cast suspicion on the them on what else they could be hiding. It’s best to just be honest about what happened because the more the lie, the most you risk getting caught for leaving out major pieces which is a red flag someone’s lying.
6 likesWouldn’t they have been separated long before trial ? He should spend all that time in jail , right ?
3 likesG. C. He was arrested and then spent the next 15 months in jail, until his trial, but they had phone calls, letters, visits if she bothered with any of that stuff. She did the right thing anyway. Maybe she decided mostly not to have anything to do with him.
3 likesThomas Clark-Phelps yea, but people do it. These are/were smart kids.
1 like@Thomas Clark-Phelps Dunn didn't think of that, but you are right.
1 like"Do I need a lawyer?" he says after completely hosing himself in this interview.
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ya, and then he said something like," i think i fucked up",, omg.
45 likesAmazing point 👉!
4 likes👏👏👏
exactly my thoughts!!! why the fuck would he say that near the end of the interrogation? he clearly thought he could breeze his way through this thing.
22 likes“Yeah you do. About 5 hours ago.”
8 likesNOT ANYMORE!
5 likesYa gotta love it when criminals dig their hole even deeper
9 likeshe was so clueless
2 likesI think he was just convinced that he was in right and therefore doesn’t need one.
6 likes@Luca exactly this. Even after he asked if he needed a lawyer, he was asking if it was automatically a murder charge and that the way he saw it, it was just him defending himself.
6 likes“I really didn’t know I was being charged with murder and attempted murder.. that sucks.”
He truly believed he did nothing wrong. He thought he was ‘George Zimmerman’ lucky.
@ because the cops turned up the heat to max since they had everything they needed. So at that point they no longer had to act like they were just trying to "clear everything up". Fucking master class of an interrogation.
1 likeHe thought they were going to let him waltz out of there even though he knew his story was bs
0 likes@Robert Demon He really almost did. First trial he’s found guilty mainly because the second volley of gunfire as the SUV was pulling off. He even says it was hard to justify. He got found guilty of the 3 attempted murder charges and was trying to get the 30 year sentence for each to be served at the same time so he’d be up for parole in 14 years. The first jury was hung on Jordan, which I thought was ridiculous. If someone tells me to fuck off or they will kick my ass I can’t pull out my gun AND shoot them. He has been drinking at the wedding, had a dui and another felony already, that’s why he didn’t contact police, he was sleeping it off.
1 likeNo, not anymore. A public defender will be just as good now lol
1 like@Maxim o IMO, in the first trial where he got found guilty of three counts of attempted murder which carried 30 year terms each if the judge sentenced him consecutively and the jury was hung on the murder charge for Jordan, I think he paid for that attorney and omg, I thought that guy sucked. Like Dunn was such an unsympathetic character and the attorney made it worse by being so unlikeable. I don’t know if he got a public defender for the second trial where he got sentenced to life for killing Jordan, but I think it was a PD because Dunn seemed to give up for the second trial because he somehow knew the 3 counts of attempted murder would already keep him incarcerated for the rest of his life,
0 likesThem boys 🐀 snitches
0 likesHe assumes that black people just bite ears because his only perspective of them is watching Mike Tyson, lol.
0 likes"I shot at the door"
813 likes"Which door?"
"The rear passenger door"
"What was the purpose of that?"
"To save my life"
"From the door?"
I love how sassy these detectives get sometimes lmao
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Gotta have some fun on the job lol
8 likesSometimes people need to hear how stupid they sound Lol
35 likesheck yeah from the door! He had to put the door in its place
7 likes“Do I need to get a lawyer” after 45 minutes of interview with police where he’s been told repeatedly he‘s killed another human, a 17 year old kid, and attempted to kill 3 other people in the car but they all just got lucky and weren’t injured
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He genuinely thought that what he did was justified under Florida law and that the police would just let him go.
27 likesWe wouldn't get to view this amazing channel if people knew how to lawyer up lol!
22 likesoh my god THANK you
1 likelawyer up.. I always see people think " oh I got this" neverrrrrrr works haha
7 likesBrett Schultz Seconded! 🤫🤫🤫
2 likesTrump will save us all from this hell on earth. He will banish the evil as predicted in the bible. #trump2020
2 likes@2122 and that's why he will save us. #trump2080
3 likesEgomaniac with a gun thinking he would talk his way out of it.
0 likesValerie some people’s egos are so big they really cannot see beyond their own horseshit. It’s insanity
0 likesA Gaytheist yep. Exactly why he didn’t lawyer up, trying to play the victim card and hopes it works out with the cops....yeAA that denial is strong
0 likesA Gaytheist
0 likesI mean... it IS Florida after all, I’m honestly SHOCKED it didn’t go exactly like he expected.
45 minutes into the video, probably hours into the interrogation.
0 likesPretty ironic he shot at "thugs" and is now surrounded by actual thugs for the rest of his life without his firearm to protect him.
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Eris Floralia haha! yeah that's hilarious!!!
4 likesCrazy eh. I can't comprehend how you can pull into a convenience store and you're more concerned about what the complete stranger the car next to you is doing, than your 3 minute visit for wine. Who cares if someone's playing music, you're never gonna see them again anyway. The guy is an idiot. He fully reminds me of a giant red flag spazz I met off tinder once. Turned out the guy had multiple assaults under his belt.
34 likes@Hell_Pike None of this is hilarious.
4 likesJason Wood He’s referring to the irony. You might not find a goof going to prison hilarious. I do. Especially when he asks if he can have bail lol! On murder lol!
8 likesQueen Of Swords exactly! If you don’t like the music park farther away... 🤦♀️🤦♀️
5 likesJason Wood Michael Dunn is a joke, not the situation.
3 likesHell_Pike
1 likeIrony usually is 😍
Queen Of Swords
0 likesWell clearly you’re Canadian so your brain is wired... weird. lol good weird, sorry eh
Blake1720
4 likesJust like witness number whatever did —
“Why didn’t you park in the adjacent spot?”
“Loud music, didn’t want to deal with it.”
EXACTLY. Doesn’t matter if the occupants of the car are from fucking Siberia, if you have loud obnoxious music on while waiting on someone in the parking lot - chances are you’re a douche and there’s a bigger chance of an altercation than if I just park somewhere, literally anywhere other than right next to you.... the way this dude grouped his shots (and later mentioned in the interview w police) like he knows EXACTLY what he’s doing, he was ITCHING to use that gun; and sure as shit not on a paper target.
Basically, he IS the thug in this situation.
4 likesEris Floralia Well said.
1 likeHe’ll be a hero to the AB in prison. He won’t need a gun, he’ll have a whole bunch of Skinheads.
0 likesQueen Of Swords maybe quit meeting guys on Tinder.
2 likesbravo1IsixI I don’t know if prison is really like it is in American history x ?
0 likes@Lisa Elliott haha, New Zealander actually, but close! 😉
1 like@bravo1IsixI I dont meet guys on tinder. Was a one off many years ago. Thanks for looking out for me though 👍
0 likesThe curious case of comment disappearance
1 likeI don't know about you, but it seems to me that the guy who puts 11 rounds into a fleeing car full of unarmed kids because he felt 'dissed' is the REAL thug.
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ironic lol
9 likesHe also did bad things to his ex-wives
24 likes@Annette Carter Exactly, Annette. Well said.
13 likes@Annette Carter this.
1 like@Jake Yates He did?
1 like@Melvin Thomas awwww poor babies… tough. guy gangsters until a gun cone out 😂
1 like@eric hoskinson the guy who shot them will die in prison and never see his family in the free world again 😂😂
9 likes@eric hoskinson they weren’t trying to be “gangsters”, you just can’t see past your own prejudice to just see them as teenagers who didn’t want to be told by some random senile old Rambo wannabe that they need to change their music volume or risk dying for mildly inconveniencing him.
16 likesGuys a hero.
0 likes@Maitland Darragh he’s a hero who will rot in jail and never see his dog Charlie again lol
5 likes@Melvin Thomas he should have gotten a crime stoppers cheque..
0 likes@Maitland Darragh well instead he got life in prison bud
2 likes@Melvin Thomas well,thats to bad. Another example of the broken justice system.
0 likes@Annette Carter he was a programmer so he was probably a little bit autistic. Most software engineers are. They are weird as fuck. The littlest things set them off. You can see the way he's avoiding eye contact in the interrogation, autistic people don't like making eye contact. Not an excuse for his behavior. He should have seen a therapist at a young age to learn how to control his triggers
2 likes"They threatened to kill me". Bull shit.
4 likes@Stormy Sheppard loud music is annoying as fuck and no one should blast it in a parking lot and not expect annoyed looks or like “shut up” type attitudes towards them. But regardless of that shooting them was extremely fuxked and wrong
4 likes@jamalydude “I’m annoyed, so It’s messed up, but justifiable if I kill children”
2 likesYeah in my experience, only one group of people thinks that makes any sense.
He fired several bullets into a fleeing SUV, because they were playing their music to loud. Pathetic. Just pathetic.
0 likes@Maitland Darragh too* bad . I guess you’re an example of the broken education system :)
0 likes@Seth N. Why did anybody waste their time teaching you to read and write?
0 likesSAME. I was just thinking how different the interrogation wouldve gone had Dunn been a few shades darker. How different he could have swayed me if i was on the jury if i had not seen the interrogation tape. Im all for self defense, but shooting up a car of mouthy kids exercising their first amendment rights while he was obviously drunk/impaired just because? That IS a thug. He could look like he does or he could have gang tattoos all over his face and the bottom line is that he is a piece of work. Im so glad to hear the trial came out the way it should have. God bless those other boys. My heart goes out to them.
0 likesDetective: “You have the right to remain silent..”
1544 likesMike: “So anyway I started blasting”
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LOL
7 likesLOL, spit out my drink on that one. Seriously, it's pretty accurate.
1 likeQuicker than a flash
8 likesLmao 😂 I read this and my noodles went everywhere
0 likesfluid motion~
1 likeDetective: "We need to ask some questions. What happened last night?"
0 likesMike: "Black kid play the shooty bang music, I had to defend myself."
Jesus! That poor kids family losing a kid for no fucking reason. And his friends having to witness the entire thing.
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Michael does look good for his age but it's a stretch to call him a kid. It is sad though, hopefully he can appeal his crooked conviction
9 likes@Proud Tobestraight i think they were talking about the boy that was killed, not Michael
81 likes@Proud Tobestraight Obvious troll is obvious.
17 likes@Pat Bigglesworth there's no proof that they threatened him
15 likes@Bradley White privilege is alive and well. Maybe you don't know that because you're white, but try to do some research on all the cases of white people having the upper hand over minorities. Secondly, the guy was racist, equating black people to "thugs." He obviously twisted the narrative to his favor. He was unfairly judging MINORS for their skin, and he deserves the longest sentence they can give him. I hope he loses his racism in jail.
13 likesEdit: I should also point out that all this happened over some music. This is honestly ridiculous, the guy could have moved his car, he could have waited it out, he could have done so many things but he chose violence.
@Suzy Rottencrotch What are you even talking about anymore
10 likes@wish In certain communities and the majority of people that live there are animals
0 likes@Suzy Rottencrotch I think it's bad to call humans animals, but I agree that there are a very finite amount of communities which support "stoning women" or other things you're referring to, but i don't know how those very few communities relate to this discussion.
2 likes@Suzy Rottencrotch Did you really just say getting shot for playing music too loud is 'just life'? Disgusting
6 likes@Tanay Well if you lived in Palestine you would feel differently
0 likes@Tanay Sometimes you get shot just for being alive and that’s how life works so maybe you should reevaluate the way you think
1 like@Suzy Rottencrotch yep just read your second name i got baited
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0 likes@Nailor Moon
0 likes5
seriously.. poor kid.. some of these people shouldnt be allowed guns
0 likesThere was a reason. It just appears it was not a justified reason. Kid went rap culture and the murderer tried to play TV cop. I wouldn't shed a tear for either.
0 likes@Suzy Rottencrotch you say it like its the same as spilling a drink "uh oh haha thats life"
0 likesTruly heartbreaking, a person that deserves to rot in prison for sure
0 likes@Bradley it’s hilarious to realize you consistently advocate for something u don’t believe in (white privilege)
0 likesyea. but hopefully these thugs got a lesson and will be able to graduate from high school
0 likes@Let's Go Brandon meanwhile they all were doing great in school, have no record, and you actually with that comment now have a more violent record than any of those “thugs”
2 likes@Kingof Grim sure, karen
0 likes@Let's Go Brandon WATCH OUT EVERYONE THE KARENS HAVE BECOME SELF AWARE
0 likes@Jackie P shhhh, they’ll discover irony one day
0 likes@Enrico Monteŕo nice interpretation.
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0 likesPolice:"You DO NOT have to talk to us. Anything you say will be USED AGAINST YOU."
739 likesSuspect:"Got it. So what had happened was...."
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He thought he did nothing wrong but defend himself.
17 likes@Jannik Xiu No, I think in the moment he really thought he was defending himself. That's what racism does to people: It makes them fearful above all else.
8 likes@Michiel Ariens exactly. racists, for whatever reason, hold fear against someone purely because of the color of their skin. he did genuinely believe he was in danger, but without any reason other than his racism. hope he rots in jail:)
4 likesThe true facts are probably that the young men were acting over the top. It was their bonding time. They were four, and young, and on a high life. I've been there. And this white guy was probably a bit buzzed, and agitated by his woman getting more wine, emboldened by the idea he had a hidden weapon and disliked the rap. All these emotions swirling around in a quick mix. One of the young guys may have talked smack down language at the idea some white old guy was shutting down his moment in comfort. So I believe the kids can and do get over bold. White people were fresh up to it with the knock out game at this time. So to say black kids are harmless is a joke.
4 likesBut it is clear to me that using a gun is a momentous decision while in public, and even showing it can get you time. So its a gamble and while I support gun ownership, its not to be taken lightly by people, and killing someone is a special form of robbery. You need to be sorry. And you can't just shoot at unseen targets. There are people living in those skins, and the whole concept of gun ownership is life first for everyone. There are certain civil rules here to be observed. And the shooter did go from zero to 100%. There is no way I would have let him off. His sentence was a bit too harsh though. I assume because of the current racial climate and white shaming in society, he got a maximum. But his lack of outward sorrow for a young 17 year old guy dying is really bad.
@Jannik Xiu Well said
1 like@Michiel Ariens but he shows no remorse to the fact that a kid is dead, or even shooting to a group of teenagers. No surprise, no emotion, no ever worrying or concern is just odd for a persons who thought it was in self-defense (even if he acted due racism)
1 likeIdk it doesn't seems genuine, there's no correlation with someone who is afraid of loosing is own life or even his wife life. I mean it could be real at some degree but not even close from the dimensions he's describing on 1st interview..
Even if you have done nothing wrong, you should ALWAYS get legal council before talking with police.
5 likes@Em Custard Agree absolutely. They could "analyze" your talkind and "decide" to hold you as suspicious. A lawyer will always add to credibility; not diminish it.
1 like"So anyways I started blasting..."
1 likeFor a guy who (from other interviews) is such a swindler its amazing to me that he thought talking at this moment was a good idea. maybe he's just used to getting away with everything.
1 like@Jannik Xiu no, he thought he was the victim
0 likes@Michiel Ariens you don’t understand what being afraid means
0 likes@Robot plays ??
1 likedon’t pull out the race card
0 likes@Robot plays how am i pulling the race card? I'm white and I'm saying he's racist. That's like the opposite of playing the race card.
1 like@Michiel Ariens you legit have no evidence of racism
0 likes@Robot plays Umm, did we watch the same video? You must be Micheal Dunn. Nice if them to give you some internet time in the can.
1 likesay yes to your rights... then say the words LAWYER... then enjoy the silence
0 likes@Em Custard I like your advice but it's more expensive to do that and what if you're are unemployed with no money and in a bind? They don't don't give you a lawyer right away so you spend time in the jail while you look for one.
0 likes😂😂😂
0 likesThe black cop in the room was a good touch. This guy is obviously a racist person.
1 likeThis courtroom has cinema quality cameras. Dang.
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And the contrast??? Like okay HBO documentary!!!!! I see you!!
278 likesand it's not just the quality of the picture; the person behind it is taking some legit beautiful angles on some of the footage - that is an aspiring artist that found a way to pay for their "hobby" lol well done, whoever you are
240 likesOn God they do
5 likes@SoulChorea fareal he already lives what he does.. the angles are poetic
13 likesYeah with professional colour grading lmao
70 likes@3rdEyeVision FVS What?
0 likes@Ken S on God they do
6 likesIndeed, and this was six years ago. The camera behind the lawyer has flags in C-stands to prevent flares, the color temp of the images are spot on, and the shots are composed as if for broadcast. It makes you wonder if this was filmed for a documentary.
42 likesYeah i thought it was a movie reenactment in the beginning.
13 likesDamn yeah I noticed that too
1 likeIts Florida. Shit is on cable between Fox and Univision.
5 likesMeanwhile the interrogation room looks like it was recorded on a DS
27 likesi just liked and made it 1k
2 likesmeanwhile the PD is using a 10dollar webcam from 2004
6 likesAren’t cameras illegal in the court room?
1 like@Not a great name This was probably a large case. I feel like there are a lot broadcast to television or other media sources like YouTube. But also you can request some from public records, if they are recorded.
0 likesThat "movie-like" effect is done in post-production, but you can tell whoever shot this knew what he/she was doing, the cinematography, the editing and the sound quality is professional. It really felt like watching a movie; except for Dunn, that is.
6 likes@spencerprops It is for a documentary.
0 likesI thought it was a dramatization of the trial lol
1 likeHey you can afford better cameras when you neglect funding everything else lol
3 likes@Not a great name only in civilized country
0 likesI feel so bad for the fiancé. She seems like a good person who went through an experience she shouldn't have.
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On the other hand she has probably had a lucky escape, she could have married him and then realized what sort of person he was.
18 likesThe victim parents probably deserve some of the empathy
10 likes@XXAB8XX
17 likesWhat is up with this whole either-or thing on the internet? I see it when someone expresses empathy for someone, someone else always pops in and is like "oh, you should have empathy for this other thing".
Empathy isnt a finite thing. You can have empathy for multiple people involved in a horrible event.
I have empathy for everyone involved in this situation except for the racist POS who shot 10 times into a vehicle because black kids were playing music he didnt like.
It’s absolutely surreal how out of touch this man is. It’s as though he’s trying to avoid after school detention.
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Imagine you being in his situation what would u say and do
1 like@Dana Joan Not shooting people because they were mean to you is a start.
42 likesHe clearly thought he would never be punished or held responsible for his behaviour. This is probably the first time in his life that his behaviour & lack of forethought has gotten him in trouble.
16 likesHe's tied with a guy I saw on The First 48. He had a guy come buy drugs from him, and he fired on the customer and the driver as they drove away. His reasoning was that he saw they had a gun, and "you don't bring a gun to a drug deal" so he had to pull his gun (that he brought to the drug deal) after the transaction was completed and the guys were driving away to "save his life."
5 likesHe just kept saying it was justified because they had a gun in the car even though no one touched it, no one mentioned it, and he got paid and the guys were driving away before he drew and fired. He had the same entitlement tone to his pontificating.
@Cory Stoker snowflakes
0 likesThis guy should be out in jails for his winny voice.
0 likesYes, he seemed like he was a person that was use to getting away with stuff, and mommy always was there for her little baby boy.
4 likesMakua Matata He’s definitely not in touch with the whole magnitude of his predicament
0 likes@Usrnot found lol obviously
0 likesGeez thank God there was a white witness..also disgusting he cries for a dog not a person..I Love dogs but he was a person..a person..a son ..a brother..a friend ...a bf . A student..so sad so needless so senseless
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I know many canines that excel their owners.
0 likesMichael : “ i shot at the back passenger seat”
3047 likesDetective - “Why?”
Michael-“to protect myself”
Detective-“ from the door?”
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Lmao that cop was mildly sarcastic during this whole interview.
133 likesRoasted! One less red hat walking the streets, well done detective
39 likes@Ripe Van winkle "Your car is not shooting at them, you are."
41 likesHe belongs to jail. But still not sure how they know what was said to him.
2 likes@Mr Gunslinger there was eyewitnesses mate
24 likes@Veronica Sawyer as I've said he belongs to jail no problem. But damn I'm sure this is one of those cases that if not here and this way, these kids would be in trouble after some time doing things like this.
0 likes@Mr Gunslinger what listening to loud music or telling someone to do one when telling them to turn their music down in their OWN CAR? This is exactly what racism is. Just because they are black and didn't take a man telling them what to do you automatic come to the conclusion that they will be criminals in the near future. You need to change that thinking.
48 likes@Abraar Shah Way to play the race card where it doesn't belong. Dude never mentioned anything about their race.
8 likesHe could have just been referring to the fact that they played loud music beyond what many would consider to be a respectful volume and being confrontational about it when someone asked them to turn it down. Is he wrong for assuming that? That's a conversation worth having. But don't presume he's racist when there's no reason to think that yet.
@Brooke Agree wholeheartedly 👏
9 likes@BrookeThis might be a surprise to you, but Mr Gunslinger (the guy that the person I was responding to called a racist) is not Michael Dunn. Nothing in my previous comment was about Michael Dunn.
7 likesFurthermore, the laws pertaining to volume are loosely defined, but they do exist, and it is entirely possible to get a traffic violation for having your music up too loud.
However, that is besides the point. I must reiterate Mr. Gunslinger's earlier statement, that Michael Dunn is a murderer and absolutely deserved to be incarcerated, but the fact does remain that it is not unreasonable for a person bothered by loud music to be allowed to ask the owner of the vehicle to turn the music down.
I don't agree with Mr. Gunslinger when he said that those teens would have gotten in trouble at some point, but that's not the point of contention. My issue was that the commentor after him claimed he was racist for thinking that. It's not racist if the person isn't referring to race.
@Brooke No problem, we all make mistakes.
1 like@Mr Gunslinger Wrong person, m8. I was actually defending you. Abz was the one calling you racist.
1 like@Mr Gunslinger what did these kids to indicate that they’ll eventually participate in criminal activities? They were literally just sitting at a gas station with their music turned up. When they were asked to turn it down, one complied while the other one didn’t. Nothing indicates that they’re dangerous.
11 likes@Xelane In that case ignore. Not even sure why I'm reading the comments of these other guys who are probably just 11 year old kids with no life experience. Youtube is starting to be like radical left Reddit. Imagine I'm not even from the US and if I notice that, that website has to be more far extremist than North Korea.
1 like@Mr Gunslinger ... LMFAOOOOO HOW EMBARRASSING.
8 likes@Mr Gunslinger Ahh yes, the classic "I have black friends" argument. I, as official spokesperson of all POC, must now give you a free pass to say whatever veiled racist victim-blaming stuff you want.
10 likes@Mr Gunslinger Slave owners also had black employees, genius.
8 likesAnd he's perfectly right, your comment has serious racist overtones.
If you don't like that, you need to work on your issues.
@Brooke anime pfp sjw
1 like@Mr Gunslinger This is the funniest thing I’ve read today
2 likes@Xelane many people listen to loud music especially teenagers not all teenagers listen to music at a respectful volume that doesn’t mean they deserve to die
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0 likes@Stephen Kennedy Thank you
0 likes@RandomFactsRandomStuff Neither I, nor Mr. Gunslinger said that they did.
2 likesGunslinger said that they would have probably gotten into trouble--likely meaning a life-threatening situation--sooner or later.
Someone called him racist for it. My ONLY defense for him was that it wasn't a racist comment. I ALSO went on to say that I did not agree with him
@Brooke I thoroughly agree with your discourse.
1 likeI LOL'd at that comment! So slick!
0 likes@Brooke so not defending the dude here, but if it was a public place he could have just asked them nicely again instead of shooting, however given that it was a public place it was their choice weather to oblige or not. I'm heavily surprised that Michael didn't just screw off considering he would have only been there s few minutes. I'm assuming that maybe the music was a trigger that made him crack, and was possibly building up before hand
0 likes@Mr. Anderson as far as I know it's lefties murdering across America the last year so
1 like@Xelane Why would you make that assumption? What evidence do you have to suggest that? Because they didn’t want to turn their music down (which they are not legally required to do) for an entitled old white man with an obvious aggression towards black people?
0 likes@renee What assumption do you think I'm making?
1 likeI've said twice now that I didn't agree with what Gunslinger said about them probably getting into trouble at some point.
@Mr. Anderson red hat?
0 likes@Ripe Van winkle he knew right away his story was BS
0 likes@Allen Scott "straight, white, conservative, male"....like we couldn't tell by your post 🙄
0 likes@Abraar Shah I think it's funny everyone attacking @Xelane. Do you not read the whole comment or do you just cherry pick what you want to see and then reply to it? @Xelane made a point to say that @Mr Gunslingers comment wasn't racist. Not that he/she agreed with him, just that it wasn't racist in nature. While I agree it wasn't racist it was a pretty stupid presumption made by @Mr Gunslinger. @Xelane never said Michael Dunn wasn't racist. If you're going to be a troll then be a good troll and read every post.
0 likes@My dog Niko OK my bad! I thought he said that Mr dumb dunn wasn't a racist.
0 likes@My dog Niko Thanks for speaking up. I appreciate it.
0 likes@abz s No worries. A lot of people in this comment chain did the same thing.
@Mr Gunslinger "guuys...I can't be racist my gf is Latina!!"
1 likeIt’s so crazy how someone can convince themselves, so completely, that they were totally justified in committing a heartless crime against an innocent person.
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There are millions wanting to do crimes like this w/o impunity!
4 likesNah, he definitely knows that what he did was wrong but he still did it because he wanted to. He just said what he said to try and get away from it.
5 likesHe was genuinely hoping they'd ask him to join the force, wasn't he?
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BAHAHAHA
4 likes"Sir, would you do us the honour of joining our police force? You can protect all of us from thug music!"
3 likesHe was hoping to receive an award and be asked to be their captain.
1 likeThe fact that the kids turned the music down when he asked would tell me they were respectful and weren’t confrontational or threatening. Whatever happened after that point was him either perceiving something that just wasn’t there or him being a hateful idiot with no regard for life.
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I am surprised they did. I’d expect them to smirk and keep it up to which I’d mutter under my breath ‘dicks’.
9 likesThat would be that, kids being kids and me being a little ott.
But if they turned it down I’d change in an instant. I’d actually apologise for being curt with them.
The dynamics shift so much with their instant and humble gesture.
Hopefully Rhonda finds a better guy. It’s very hard to do the right thing at times but she did which shows she’s a pure honest person. And it looks like the family of the victim appreciated her. Also hope they can find peace.
35 likesFirst of all, Thank You very much JCS for all your hard work in bringing this to YouTube. Your work is top notch!!!!! At 47:58 Dunn states; "I didn't know I was being charged with Murder and Attempted Murder, That Sucks...." What sucks isn't the charges against you Dunn but the fact you killed a wonderful son and friend to so many. And at 48:15; Dunn again says; "It's unfortunate how it turned out like it did..." was his response to not having a Bond. No, you racist POS, the unfortunate thing in this situation was you shot dead a 17-year-old Teenager, one who had a family, a host of friends, and a girlfriend that loved him dearly. A young man that never had a mark against him as being an unruly teenager but one that had a promising life ahead of him. He had a promising life ahead of himself. I hope Dunn ends up in the worst prison in the country filled with inmates that will continue to dish out punishment towards him daily for many years to come!!!!!
42 likesThink about that 17-year-old who died. He had dreams, he was shot in the heart, right where those dreams came from, he hadn’t even graduated high school. He hadn’t even graduated high school.
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you don't think with the heart it pumps blood
20 likes@Big Phat Walrus Wait there not supposed to come from there?
4 likesOo
0 likes#jsoles36. I've been holding back tears as I read these comments...
4 likesyours tore my heart out!
So painfully true.
Basketball American
2 likesI ideally think with my head
2 likes@Big Phat Walrus you should back that up with official medical research
2 likes@Big Phat Walrus that's called poetic license. It is a form of
5 likesamphigory.
Lol just like George Floyd🤣
3 likes@Matthew Hamstein y’all are stale and boring
6 likesYou paint the guy like he was an angel. You can be sure he was puffing up his chest and acting tough. Obviously he didn’t deserve to be murdered, but I’ve heard teenagers be very intimidating.
0 likes@Susan Thomas straight Karen take to all this. Wow.
7 likes●●●●● Saying the almost adult was 17 years old is an excuse. They knew they were not behaving well
0 likes@●●●●●5 so...that makes it ok for him to be killed?
2 likes@Ayo, is that a spider bite on yo pp? YOUR ICON
0 likeshe had dreams to because a criminal
0 likesthis is so racially motivated it’s insane. this man drunk driving, gets more booze but the unarmed teenagers are “violent”
46 likesIt's just...bizarre. He really thought he could just shoot someone for something so petty and get away with it by coming up with the most paper thin defense ever. He really thought he was just gonna be able to talk his way out of this and go on with his life and this wasn't gonna be a big deal. It's so strange. He's so blasé about it all. Talk about throwing all caution to the wind.
47 likesLike what is this thought process? Why would you even gamble like this? So many lives ruined just so he could feel like a hero in his mind. I mean what the hell.
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Don't know why his lawyer didn't go the insanity route. Until he was told that there's a murder charge on his head, he really thought he was going home.
1 likeHe’s so insanely racist he doesn’t even see black people as PEOPLE, he thought it was just like shooting an animal or something I think, it’s just fucking sick and disturbing
5 likesI think he assumed the cops were as racist as he was.
1 likeJustice was actually served. I love this case's outcome. R.I.P. to the child
41 likesNothing but love and respect for Rhonda and her testimony. ♥
19 likesI've watched all of the JCS videos, but this one definitely resonated with me more. I'm from Jacksonville, FL and I went to High School with, not the victim, but one of the witnesses. I forgot the name of the defendant, so I didn't realize what case this was when I clicked on it. I was the same age as the victim when this happened back in 2012 and I remember seeing all of the stories on the news and just thinking about how I was the same age as the victim and how, with a small change of circumstance, this could have been me. It's wild seeing the interrogation videos and hearing how Michael Dunn tries to defend what is a blatant act of unjustified homicide when I knew one of the witnesses and how the incident played out. Even if I give the benefit of the doubt and say that Michael Dunn really did fear for his life, I could defend his first volley of shots, but the follow up shots as the SUV is fleeing can absolutely not be described as self defense. It's so disturbing to see how he tried to play this off as nothing, and it's even more disturbing to know that if he had not shot himself in the foot during the interrogation, he may have gotten away with it.
6 likesThe look on Jordan’s fathers face when this pile of crap says “this was self defense”. The heartbreak. 😢
7 likesThis had to have 100% been racially motivated. The use of terms like "thug music" and Dunn's demeanor in this situation make that very obvious. Nobody with a good head on their shoulders would ever choose to shoot a car full of teenagers for playing loud music. The audio of the shots makes it clear that Dunn wasn't fighting for his life, but instead actively trying to take the lives of innocent people just because he was mad. They drove away, and if it wasn't for Tommie's quick thinking, then it's very likely that all four of the boys in that car would be dead, based on the audio of the gunfire.
178 likesDunn parked next to them because he wanted to start something. Dunn knew he would upset these TEENAGERS by asking them to turn down their music. Dunn also knew he would have a chance to use his gun for his apparent "self-defense". The boys were unarmed, they drove away, and Dunn still decided to fire 3 more shots at the back of the vehicle. Even if Dunn didn't know if they were armed or not, the fact that he pulled his gun and started blasting solely based off of assumption shows that he isn't level-headed enough to hold a weapon to begin with.
Guns usually don't solve problems, they make existing problems worse. In this case, the problem was teenagers being teenagers and an old white dude being mad about it. I don't know how anybody could find reasons to defend him.
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@Mayde ohh yeah? where can I read these letters?
1 likeThe truth is that Michael carried a loaded gun in his glove box for exactly this reason. He initiated contact with these men. Who in their right mind tells a truck load of men to turn their music down? Seriously! A man with a gun does. What a sad excuse for a man Micheal is.
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@stillpril bruh
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0 likes@stillpril bruh
0 likesThey were KIDS teenagers in high school! Not Men!
11 likesI like that you're assuming asking a car full of people to turn they're music down is crazy.
3 likesI'm not saying Micheal Dunn isn't a psychopath who shot them for no reason but it's not really an instigating action lol
@Alex C When you approach a car full of people you don't know at a convenience store and ask them to turn their music down you are instigating an action Alex. Very simple really. Unfortunately, Micheal brought a gun along to enforce his point. Guilty as O.J.
9 likesTrue, I carry concealed and I try my very best to avoid conflict
2 likesI can't argue with You. Exactly. You can tell he's proud of what He did.
1 likeRhonda is who we all should be. It was so painful to tell the truth against the one she loved but she knew it was the right thing to do. If only everyone was like that!
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i could never imagine being in her situation. shes so brave
1 likekills a 17 year old kid - "well that sucks i'm being charged with murder"
21 likesno remorse, no regret, no empathy
Yeah you have every right to be annoyed w someone playing loud music but you do NOT have the right to kill someone over it. It’s NEVER that big of a deal
3 likesHow did such a sweet and emotionally diminutive woman like Rhonda get hitched and then stay hitched to a malignant narcissist if not full blown sociopath like Michael Dumb???
2 likesThis channel helps me focus on my work better than the 12 years of therapy. Thanks
2 likesWhat a sad story for these young men and RIP to the young man who passed away. This is a tragedy to the parents of the young man who died. You gave gun license to a man who should probably never had one, he's short tempered , his girlfriend seems to be afraid of him as well. Gun laws need to be changed!!!
4 likesSome people just have that evil look. It's in the eyes.
3 likesEvery bone in my body screamed "aw hell no" when the first image of him popped up.
Could you imagine if Rhonda wasn't honest about what happened, even though that's the right thing to do, bless her i know that was so hard to do
4 likesClearly, loud music and some aggressive behavior do not justify the use of a firearm; I do not believe Dunn felt his or Rhondas' life was in danger. This was about feelings of power and powerlessness. I will admit that the loud music situation distresses me, and that I encounter it regularly; I have strong feelings about folks subjecting others to their own will and if I'm being honest, feel that this behavior with the music often has a racist component.
3 likesI always consider that even if I feel provoked, my best course of action is to NOT create more negativity. We live in a society with many differing perspectives as to what is acceptable behavior, and there are lots of self-centered people, aggressive people, and those who want to create mayhem, but violence should only be a response when there are no other options.
We have all seen news reports of police shootings of fleeing suspects, or people that the officer "thought" had a gun, I can't help but feel that the statements made by detectives display a sad irony. My encounters with police have never had bad consequences and I treat police with the respect they deserve from their role in society, but also with the respect required by the fact that they are armed and have the authority to do whatever each individual officer interprets their authority to allow. I am not against police, am grateful for folks who are motivated to be in that field, but am not blind to the fact that all positions of power will have some bad actors in those roles.
I'm encouraged at the content of the comments, and hope that we may finally be moving toward a society of greater tolerance, empathy for others, and non-acceptance of any of the many -ist behaviors.
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I am a huge advocate that police are only humans and make questionable choices (as the news has recently shown) I as well have never had a negative encounter with the police but I do not have any belief that people in the world haven’t had aweful experiences with members of the police force. But that is the same in any profession it’s just unfortunate that those odd officers have bad moments while in possession of a fire arm. I’m all for the second amendment but in this kind of situation had the second amendment not been in effect that young man would still be alive.
0 likesDude tried to get the detectives to believe that someone was bearing down on him with a shotgun but was able to lean over into the glove box, pull the gun out the Holster, put one in the chamber and fire first? Good story brah!
1 likeThis is incredibly devastating!!! So sad that, that young guy died 😔
1 likeI never want to hang out at gas stations for long, for me it always looks like a sketchy dangerous places.
The only downside to JCS,s videos is that there are too few of them , I've watched them all at least ten times a piece
2 likesWife: “Did you hurt anyone?!”
2 likesSubhuman: “Nah I just shot at the car”
BRO WHAT
Thank God the driver of the Durango had the quick thinking to back out when he did...it could have been way worse than it was. Tragic all the same, but at least the law caught up with that crazy drunk.
0 likesWatching that, i am glad that i live in a country where firearms are not as easily accessible and people don't casually carry weapons. My dad is exactly the type of entitled person who would have done what Michael did.
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I feel the same way! I have an uncle, after supposedly getting cut off on the road, who FOLLOWED the other driver all the way to their house. So fucking scary for that poor person! If there had been weapons, some stuff would gone down for sure. What's worse is that he had my 10-year-old cousin in the car. Great example for your kid. Goodness some people are such trashbags.
0 likesinteresting how he tried to justified killing a teenager by saying he was loud and animated... hmm....two stereotypes... definitely not surprised.
3 likesYou know, the guns these types of people use really do say a lot about the person who shoots without a good reason. Case and point, this guy had a Taurus PT 92, which is essentially a budget copy of the Beretta M9, a staple of action movies and the US military from just after Vietnam to just a few years ago. Then, Drejka, who had a Glock which is a favorite of law enforcement throughout the western world, and exactly what a boomer larping as a cop would be expected to have.
11 likesEdit: rewatched the Drejka video, it's even worse. 10mm, the worst caliber.
Notice how the suspect refers to the people he shot at, he refuses to acknowledge their ages when the investigators bring it up, calling them "guys" when the police refer to them, rightfully, as kids. He's trying to justify the fact that he shot at a group of teenagers.
0 likesThis is exactly why racism is dangerous, and needs to be fought and spoken against at every turn. This guy murdered a person who hadn't even reached adulthood simply because the music they were listening to was annoying.
Another thing, this guy says "They definitely had a shotgun." The cops tell him they were unarmed, and his response is "I didn't know that." Lmao.
i really like the detectives in this😄 they speak with so much sass, almost like actors in a movie
2 likesHe must have super human hearing. Heard threats through blaring music and a rolled up window. 🤥 Apparently his vision is the issue. He thought he saw a shotgun. 🙄
0 likesShould be an iq test to carry.... If you are in danger 99.9% just showing the gun resolves the situation. That is why most people who decide to pull the trigger go away for life. The threat was either false or retreating. You can't sign someone's death sentence....
3 likesSO much respect for Rhonda! 💪🏼
1 likeHe posture and got caught up. For all intents he probably thought with the escalation with the drink he believes it that he had to defend himself in that way. Look at his mind and wants he said... the pre thought... "these thugs" everything he filtered was they would get him. None of this is right however nor legal. But it is clear he did not just want to. He's not a crazy killer, he's an idiot however. He is misplaced and his mind was not right on drink.
0 likesI love your videos, now I’m hook to your channel.. believing I’m a detective 🕵️♂️😆
1 likeDictionary definition of a sad sack. Good riddance.
4 likesI hope Rhonda knows nobody blames her for suggesting going to the gas station
0 likeshow could she have known her husband was that big of a monster
I watched the documentary on netflix it was well done.
1 likeRhonda is the hero in this story, She had every chance to lie and help the love of her live out, she stood strong and told the truth, put him in jail for ever, where he belongs.
2 likesRhonda looks really upset; but, still did the right thing. God bless her.
0 likes"The last thing I wanna do is being in trouble"
3 likescarries a gun
It’s bad that a kid being a kid running their mouth had to lose his life.
1 likeIt's not first degree murder and the man obviously didn't want to end any lives, he just genuinely believed he could "scare them off" without hurting anyone using a gun and then upon finding out that he killed someone he said anything he could think of to try and get away without a heavy sentence. It's just amazing to me how many fully formed adult humans just have absolutely no fucking idea how dangerous guns are. This is a man that went to firing ranges, he handled guns frequently and yet still somehow thought "oh the frame of the car will stop the bullets from hurting anyone"
2 likesWhy was this trial shot so well?? It’s like the most cinematic live film I’ve ever seen I don’t get it.
1 likeWhen the cop says “I can’t shoot someone because I think they have a gun” 😑 Ummm okay, cops do though and get away with it all the time.
2 likesAlso when the guy says “do I need a lawyer” after incriminating himself for the last hour lol.
If ever there was an instructional video for the concept of don’t talk to police, talk to your attorney.
0 likesHis discomfort at looking at the black officer is self incrimination at its best
1 likeLove that little tactic where the black detective rubs his face because of how mind-numbingly dumb Michael's story is, as if to let Michael know he's pissing them off with his bullshit lie.
1 likeOh so incredibly tragic. May he Rest In Peace 😢😢😢
1 like"I'm the victim!" wow, the audacity.
0 likesIt was either a shotgun, or a stick. That's the best he could come up with? Some people don't have a brain.
1 likeIn insane you can be that heartless, not once did he show anything close to remouse for killing someone.
0 likes“What was the purpose of that?”
1 like“To save my life?”
“…From the door?”
Him: 👁👄👁
Fortunately, nobody else in that vehicle was killed but it's sickening listening to him boast about his gun skills when he missed the majority of his shots.
0 likesThanx JCS. But im really hoping and waiting for a new fantastic video. You are the nr 1 in interrogation psychology. Greetings from Norway!
0 likes33:48 “the sad fact of it is he’s telling me he’s going to kill me”
1 likethe sad fact is that you killed him
Every un-aggravated and imagined shooting has them saying-" i was in fear of my life" ..as if its their get out of jail free card...smh
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It's the gun crime equivalent of someone who's assaulted and murdered someone saying the first part was consensual when they get caught. On paper "in fear for my life" is technically when shooting is justified but, in practice "in fear for your life" has to be fear because of an actual active threat of harm.
2 likes@One Ghost Damn...no wonderin he was insisting that the kid had a gun and was trying to open car door as if to justify his actions.. thx 4 dat🙃
0 likesWow .. his testimony is like a Hollywood script
0 likesAt 16:40 the way the investigator says "uhumm" over and over again makes me think that the investigator knew that Dunn was lying in that moment.
0 likesHe didn’t think he was going to be arrested and charged.. the entitlement 😮
0 likeshis poor son. his anniversary is the same day his dad murdered someone. 😔
1 like50:20 people that don’t clear their throat in public deserve any punishment that’s inflicted on them
1 likeDisturbing and very sad for the young men in the SUV. Even saddest for the dead boy and his family. Guns don’t kill people but idiot humans do and then try to convince a jury they are innocent. Those young men were all totally respectful and innocent and like all young ones, they love load music. The dangerous part about guns is the human that owns and uses them.
0 likesHow long it takes to go to trial is ridiculous. Just something I thought about
0 likesInstead of worrying about his wife let’s give some thoughts to the 17 year old teenage victim. RIP Jordan Davis.
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:(
2 likesHaving empathy for Rhonda doesn’t mean you can’t feel for the victim. Neither of them did anything wrong.
153 likesHow will "giving thoughts" help exactly? Genuinely curiosity..
23 likesArtis Zelmenis i just wanna say this, exclusively from the dozen or so words that u managed to conjure up here, ive come to the conclusion that individuals like u literally do not deserve political power even in the slightest. Why dont u go think about ur ethics and morality, oh wait thats correct u dont believe in thinking.
1 likesocillizt4life read what i wrote about that dude lol, ull genuinely appreciate it
1 likeRhonda was his fiance
0 likeslol
0 likes@Artis Just as helpful as prayer. I WANT to feel like I'm helping but i DON'T want to put any effort into it.
5 likesWell, maybe not instead. Both were victims of the same person. She may have had the same fate. We should be giving our thoughts, of course. But, maybe not instead of. Maybe alongside. <3 Rest in peace, Jordan Davis
2 likes@Jake Yates LOL there’s all these people arguing and then there’s you. People like you make the world not so bad. Congrats dude
0 likes@Dear Me Exactly this. Sympathy isn't a finite or limited resource that can only by allotted in limited amounts. There is absolutely nothing wrong with feeling sympathy for multiple innocent people involved in a tragic incident.
1 like@socillizt4life wishful thinking at best, delusion at worst. Good luck.
1 like@asdfghjkl3669 it actually shows that this person can think of two things at once. you can feel sorry for two people at the same time, for different reasons. MOST human brains are capable of that
2 likesDear Me That’s a very true,valid point.Like u said quite a lot of people don’t care about anybody outside their close family circle & it’s understandable in some cases,I just hope they’re the very small minority,or humans are screwed.We have evolved to feel empathy for others & not to harm others, because if you exist in an environment that doesn’t care about strangers then the other members of your society will treat you in a non caring, apathetic manner which isn’t a good society to live in,so most of us are hardwired to care for others because it benefits them from an evolutionary standpoint.
0 likesRed Target No don’t get me twisted,I know that the day EVERYBODY thinks in an empathic way towards these type of situations is a day that will nvr come to reality,I was just trying to point out to a numbnut who thought that having empathic thoughts would be pointless & of no use in reality,they didn’t seem to understand that every racist murder that becomes a reality starts out as thoughts b4 any action is taken,I know a utopian Earth is a non starter m8
0 likesNah I'll carry on worrying about his wife. Thanks for the suggestion tho.
3 likesHe's a really dangerous person! He speaks about a sleepless night for the policeman...and he doesn't want trouble instead feeling sorry for his actions? And instead calling a lawyer .....narcissist dangerous racist person
0 likesRIP poor soul.
0 likesJordan Davis thought he was tough because he was with his buddies.
0 likesno ... lets' not do that
0 likes@socillizt4life I don't believe in anything - I try to achieve reasonable level of certainty. Mainly, because beliefs can be wrong and most of the time are wrong.
1 likeThat's the first thing you got wrong about me. Namely, that I am not certain in the thinking itself. Reasoning is one of the most enjoyable thing there is. It helps you to align yourself according to the reality.
You see, I agree, thought process makes people do certain actions, based on thoughts.
But, that wasn't what I asked, now wasn't it?
Trying to look past your undeserved name-calling..
@Eaves Eaves I ask politely to not be rude to me for simply asking a question.
1 likeCan you clarify how did you deduce that I am not certain in the value of thinking process?
You’d be kidding Me yeah she was madly in love with a racist. What’s that say about her?
1 likeRIP JORDAN
0 likeshe's already dead thought, your thought and prayer doesnt do anything and justice has been served, he shot the guy, the guy dead, he go to prison its clear case
0 likesI can walk and chew bubblegum and the same time.
1 likeBruh she was a prime witness are u slow?
0 likes@socillizt4life Those empathy-less people are one of the reasons we've been able to get where we are today.
0 likesAlso, you said yourself you don't think everyone will be at a point of sharing your level of empathy with everyone else. So how do you not understand the guys point about the fact that these atrocities will still ocurr regardless? Because, as you said, not everyone will ever be that way.
Sure, if it was as you said then there would be LESS of these cases, but you said there wouldn't be ANY. So you see the contention, right?
Edit: Side note, it was obviously implied that the subject of the help via the "thoughts" would be the victim, yet nobody has answered still. How do your thoughts help the victim? He's dead, sadly, so they don't help him. Thoughts might help 'give comfort' to the family and friends etc, maybe. But if you've ever lost someone close to you, I hope you haven't, you know that nothing helps. Nothing at all, certainly not 'thoughts' of strangers on the internet that you're unaware of.
I don't understand why people now have to prove they care about the right stuff. Why can't it just be assumed to be the case until shown to be otherwise, like the good old days...
@Artis To answer your question in short, they don't help. Not one bit.
0 likesSee above (the edit) for explanation, would feel dirty copy, pasting myself.
N.B My thoughts are with you regarding the shit you got for asking a simple question.
Edit: (the edit)
@Artis See, they don't mean shit.
0 likesHow about we stop assuming that having sympathy for one person means you don’t have sympathy for anyone else. If someone comments about only one of them, it’s likely because they noticed a lot of comments about the other one and felt they should mention one of the other victims. It’s the same thing you’re doing except you’re assuming they don’t care about anyone but the person that they commented about
0 likesnah
1 likeYes may he rest in heaven. Innocently killed over music. Smmfh
0 likesYou know it's possible to feel empathy for multiple people simultaneously, right?
0 likesTragic that such a young man died because of this selfish man. However, can I just say that the wife's honesty since the beginning is commendable. She didn't hide anything from police, she didn't try lying to police. She spoke honestly.
0 likesNow, she could have done the right thing and said to go to the police... But I think going home was her shocked reaction to finding out that somebody she loved killed somebody...
@Eaves Eaves I think what giving thoughts means is to remember the victim and not to forget that the victim in this crime was a 17 year old boy and not a woman that happened to know the killer. I can be reading into this too much, but that is what I am thinking was meant by that statement.
0 likesThe way you respond makes it very clear that you can't exactly handle another's opinion when it differs from yours.
Not his wife
0 likesno it's wild, you can literally see he's getting agitated with the black officer
2 likesthis editing job is amazing!!
1 likeWhat bothers me slightly is not everyone will respond me the same manner, given there are some clear cut signs of guilt. But, one could easily ramble or add irrelevant information based on ones attempt to calm oneself by means of distraction. The trouble is we are looking through our own lenses of understanding, how we would respond, feel, and do. The mainstream idea of what's normal and what's abnormal; The image of what we are suppose to be... is what's killing this world.
0 likes"They're violent " Michael Dunn, in jail for murder.
0 likesGuilty as charged
2 likesDrinking definitely had a play in his decision making
when he's in the dock, he looks like he's half-smirking the whole time
0 likesit’s unfortunate it turned out the way it did? Because you were arrested and not because a young teenager lost his f*cking life?!
0 likesA drunk, wannabe tough guy all because he knew he had a pistol with him. Could have all been avoided
0 likesThe part that REALLY upsets me is the fact that the shooter shows NO REMORSE for a dead 17 year old kid. He is just worried that the cops don't believe him. Michael Dunn does not feel bad at all about what he has done.................I am a 68 year old white guy raised in NYC and I can tell you what this guy is. I have seen a lot of them. He is a racist. He shot and shot ALL AROUND that truck and did not care who he shot or who he killed. He feels he shot some "N"s ( I won't say that word )...So sad. I feel so bad for a 17 year old who never had a chance to live. Twenty seconds of drunken temper and stupidity changed the lives of some 5 people and saw the end of one.
0 likesThis is that kind of guy you should never ever marry, date, or be friend with. The lady did the right thing. It’s not because he’s drunk or loud music or anything, he just has that kind of personality and she might be his victim if this did not happen.
0 likesMan he got 27 $ on his card. That's living large when locked up:)
1 likeThis dude shot at a car and thought he could go home and carry on with his life 😂
0 likeshe thought he was a cop and the mere mentioning of a gun would materialize it
1 likeI love that they have a poc detective in the interrogation room with that looser !
0 likesGuy with gun, shooting at retreating car 18:33 never once did he express any interest in the lives of those boys.
0 likesHe really said they turned the music back up so I thought you know what live and let live....yeah you really thought that.
2 likesCrazy Jordan went to school with my brothers, he didn't deserve this
0 likesHe knew if he said what he actually said "are you talking to me" he was gonna come off like Robert de Niro so he changed it to "are you talking about me"
0 likesHe screwed himself by shooting after the car... pretty hard to claim self defence if who he was shooting at was fleeing
0 likes“i guess it would be better in a room with them animals” “thug music” i can’t wrap my head around this case. you can tell me all you want that this had nothing to do with race and i wouldn’t believe you for one moment. it was a 17 year old boy who had a life ahead of him and it was ended early because of some music?
0 likesEven if you think you are innocent you should never talk to the police without a lawyer period.
0 likesCome on people, NEVER TALK TO THE POLICE WITHOUT AN ATTORNEY PRESENT
0 likes"Didn't know I was being charged with murder ... that sucks" REALLY?
0 likes--losing your car keys sucks
--burning your toast sucks
--getting a paper cut sucks
--bird droppings on my car sucks
That women needed to be arrested as well for not calling cops on time but eating pizza and drinking beer
0 likesThis guy comes into a random neighbourhood, shoots up a car full of kids over loud music and still says HE is the one fearing for his life. You can't make this stuff up
0 likesI used to live where all this happened
0 likesThis man is definitely a narcissist. I don’t think it was a racist motive. He felt disrespected and felt like he should teach them a lesson.
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Like, you can be both a narcissist and a racist. They are not mutually exclusive. And he has so many racist dog whistles in what he says, let alone in his actions of shooting and four black teenagers, that it’s clear he’s both.
2 likes90 year sentence plus an additional life without parole! Such a beautiful ending to this story 😍
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sure is 😌
27 likesIn florida prison aswell, he will certainly regret firing those shots every last minute of the rest of his life.
110 likesNot sure anything about this is "beautiful"
87 likesKids are still dead. Isn’t exactly a picture perfect ending
101 likes@Tradeladder It was premeditated he pulled next to their care when there was loads of other spaces available and within seconds started a confrontation with the young men more then likely intoxicated himself, before opening fire in two seperate bursts, this WAS premeditated first degree murder.
55 likesIt's actually ridiculous
2 likes@Anna Steffans that has nothing to do with the price of tea in China .. and I’ve never seen a serial killer get less than this in the US ,at least, I mean please give me names so I can do some research.. & how about the truth is that he was not in fear for his life, there was no weapon for him to have a legitimate reason to open fire, he fled the scene & never returned (therefore admitting guilt) he lied continuously, also while the car was fleeing he still was shooting. That’s facts he thought stand your ground would protect him but an argument does not justify killing anyone period!!
4 likes@R4mbunctious_ I'd say 25 years to life. I'm just bummed I don't see the same energy when real monsters commit crimes, such as Chris Watts and Matt Coleman. You want this random man who let his anger get the best out of him to serve 90 years, but how come you don't care that the above-mentioned monsters get life as well?? Are those crimes comparable to you? To me, they're not.
11 likesNot to mention that this guy shot at the car, he never intended to kill anyone, he just wanted to win the argument and/or scare them I suppose. Do you see the difference? Look up the pos's that I named in my comment.
@Anna Steffans you left out the past where he killed a kid karen
34 likes@Anna Steffans I hate when people deflect or bring up other situations that aren’t comparable to the topic at hand! But what the heck lets compare shall we! What is a “real monster”?🤔 I really want to know. Is it a person who kills kids ?because that’s literally what all three men have in common? But yet you single this man out because he “lost his temper” well ms. Girl I hate to break it to you so did Chris watts and Matthew Coleman they lost their temper and killed their families but by your logic they should only get 25 years because maybe by Chris choking his wife he was just trying to “scare” her your comment is laughable… you’re saying a person shooting at a car does not have the intent to kill well… then why shoot at all ? And then keep shooting as the car flees ? And then leave the crime scene and never alert police ? I’m more scared of having you or people who think like you on a jury.. a person who is willing to see the evil intent in some but justifying the evil intent in others is mad scary to me.. btw not sure if Matthew Coleman went to trial yet but he’s facing the death penalty and life imprisonment!! Which is way more than a slap on the wrist and what this man has been sentenced to, Chris watts is serving life so again what are you even talking about
21 likes@Monet Monroe you know a lot of people serving time in prison, let alone in maximum security? The fact that they are allowed to keep correspondence and meet women even if it's just penpals is already disgusting. What is truly mind-boggling is the fact that you as an average layperson feel more anger towards someone who committed involuntary manslaughter than real monsters that planned their murders and disposed of their victims' bodies in fucked up ways. And then you have the audacity to compare the crimes and state that they deserve the SAME punishment. Oh wait, not even the same, because if you think about it, 90 years is much more than anyone's whole damn life. That's our justice system in a nutshell, and you're okay with it.
2 likes"Entitlement" is what's bothering you. You don't talk about how some people are entitled to fucking life after they annihilate their whole family or kill and torture dozens of innocent people. That somehow isn't entitlement to you. The funny part is that you're trying to prove to me that this man in the video deserves punishment as if I said let him walk free. All I said was that the punishment should be proportional to what crime is committed.
@R4mbunctious_ no matter how you look at this, it clearly wasn't (ie. should not be regarded as) "murder", there was absolutely no premeditation involved and he fired at the car, not at the individual
2 likesLove it, but you spoiled it for me... knew I should have kept out of the comments 😢
0 likes@SiisKolkytEuroo Ah yes, firing 10 bullets into a car full of people ... How was the poor psychopath supposed to know people die from being shot?
12 likes@Tradeladder a guy who kills a kid and acts like it was okay, doesnt deserve any "acts of kindness"
8 likes@James Flaherty started a confrontation? maybe they started the confrontation by turning the music back up again?
4 likesHis mother also became involved in gun reform and ran for congress. She is currently serving her second term. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucy_McBath
0 likesNothing about this is beautiful. A kid's dead, a family has lost their son/sibling/grandson/etc., friends lost a friend, a man threw his life away and will rot in jail forever, a long-term relationship is broken forever, a newly-wed couple's wedding is forever stained, a newly-wed groom's father is in prison forever, and a community is hurt. Absolutely nothing about this is beautiful. This is a tragedy through and through.
0 likes@Anna Steffans his punishment is perfect.
0 likes@Anna Steffans please don’t procreate
1 like@Anna Steffans Shooting a gun at a person with the intent to "just scare them" is a horrific mindset. Really hope you seriously reflect on how ridiculously irresponsible that statement is.
0 likesInvoluntary manslaughter implies that shooting at a car with people in it is not voluntarily endangering people's lives when it quite literally is. This man shot at a vehicle with people in it with intent. Whether it was to kill, maim, threaten, all of it leads to the involuntary prefix no longer applying. This isn't even manslaughter as he used a gun on people deliberately.
A gun's purpose is not to threaten; A gun's primary purpose is to end another living being's life. If you can't handle that responsibility you shouldn't own a gun. Simple as.
@Anna Steffans if he wanted to intimidate them he could’ve shot at the sky, not in the door of a fully occupied vehicle…
0 likes@SiisKolkytEuroo he fired at the individual inside the car. He kept it aimed at the same spot, the SUV just happened to move.
0 likes@Anna Steffans Just because other people didn't get a fair sentence doesn't mean he should get away with this. He shot a firearm at an occupied vehicle. Firearms kill people, if he shot at them then he intended to kill them. You don't argue or scare people by firing bullets at them, you fire bullets at people to maim or kill them. The fact that you are incapable of understanding the sole purpose of a firearm really makes me hope that you never have access to one
1 like@Friend of P. Depends on your local law but premeditation doesn't have to be long before the act. A guy in my town got convicted of 1st degree murder because after an argument he walked to his truck, got in, revved the engine a couple times and plowed into a crowd of college kids. The whole thing took a minute or two but he had enough time to think and carry out the act with intent. Similar to this case, he got more and more pissed off and had time to make a decision. Instead of rolling up his window and ignoring the kids he decided to grab his firearm and murder them. Wasn't a split second decision, it was a deliberate act carried out after time to consider what he was doing
0 likes*justified ending to a sad story
0 likesHow you can be happy when people died, putting smiley faces and the word beautiful is sick. Does it bring them back? Is it an even punishment? The man still has his life and others don't. Now the are going to have to pay for this man for life! This is not a beautiful ending at all, it is , unfair, sad disgusting ending!
0 likesComing from the UK, I do love how unnecessarily long American prison sentences are. Just in case someone lives to 200. Here, most people who go down for murder can be released in 25-30 years.
0 likes@Allison pineda People are happy because a murderer is in prison.
0 likes@Zeus bullets also come down from the sky
0 likesGuy is literally pulling the Chicago defense..."oh yes oh yes oh yes oh yes we both reach for the gun!"
0 likes"you were not there." Okay big guy who gets emotional over his pet dog named charlie.
0 likesSelf defense 🙌🏽
0 likesI guess the additional charge was: drinking Rum and Coke at that age 😄
0 likesAt 51:48 he was way to excited be doing that
1 likeim sorry but this was definitely racially motivated, he sat there and made up some sick story about him "having a shootout with a group of vicious thugs" when in reality they were just black teens being teenagers
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Yea that's unfortunately probably true. I don't like to assume racism too often, but I'd be astonished if this guy wasn't prejudiced.
0 likesYea and all the racist comments under this video that are agreeing with him!?!?!? Its 2022 I thought we were past this shit. I hate how their is people like this . My bf is Jamaican and lives in a pretty suspicious area in my city. Makes me worry for him alot thats why whenever I get bad vibes from anyone in public while with him I hold him closer to me . Cause God forbid anyone does something to him they are taking me with him.
1 likeWow. Just wow. How could this happen?
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Shit people doing shit things will always happen, unfortunately
0 likes“You weren’t there”
0 likesNOT THE TIME MICHEAL FFS
Ayyyyyy he was found guilty on my birthday how awesome
1 likeWhy don’t you start a website with subscription? I’ll gladly pay for your content.
0 likesIn Argentina this happens all the time. But we cant kill shit because we dont use guns. Think about it.
1 likeHe can see a shotgun but "couldn't register that the vehicle was moving"...... wow
0 likesI’m like Rhonda, if my husband ever were to do dumb shit I won’t lie for you . Nope , not me .
0 likesTruth is he was drunk and had a distorted sense of anger and confidence.
0 likesPlease do a video on Jacob Stockdale plssssss
0 likesWhat I've learnt is that these criminals are sort of out of touch with reality. They dont see the consequences of their actions and only feel sorry when they get caught.
3 likesI can’t decide if this guy is either doing fantastic or really appalling mental gymnastics . It’s so cringe inducing.
0 likesJUST ROLL UP YOUR F-KING WINDWOS
3 likesTo save my life “from the door?” Bahahahahaha
0 likesGreat loss. Probably knew javascript.
0 likes29:59 waiting for the wink? What?!
0 likesYAY. Got him.🙂🙂🙂
0 likesI think Michael had been playing to much GTA week .
0 likesHe should’ve stay at his son wedding reception and not worry about the dog
0 likesFirst gun safety rule is guns are the last option!!!
0 likesHow scared are you?
1 likeI could slam a pizza you know?
Loud boom box music will make most people go insane and snap.
1 like“Right…. So yeah you got that book or nah”
0 likesWhen did this happen??
0 likesLol.. you’re not the victim. Nobody was ‘preying’ pon you.. u have no right to ask them to turn their music down… I like how he says those things over the phone bcuz he knows he being recorded smh
0 likesI’m thinking , how much he drank did not help with his thinking.
0 likesI MISS JIM!!!!!!!!!!
0 likesGuy kills someone cause of the music their playing then turns right around and plays the victim. I don’t want to live on this planet anymore….
0 likesThe problem is you shouldn't even let this guy have a gun. US gun law is a joke.
1 likeAnother Micheal Drejka. Them 2 guys… it’s hard to understand their actions.
1 likeHe’s Dunn for
3 likes3:30 - who invited the toad lady?
0 likesthe most stupid awkward phone call ive heard
1 likeThose GTL collect calls days...
0 likesThe victim Jordan Davis' mother, Lucy Bath, ran for Congress not long after this on a platform of gun law reform. She won. She's now a member of the US. House of Representatives representing Georgia's 6th District.
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PERIOD
37 likesThank you for sharing!
10 likesThat takes a lot of guts
4 likes@jasmin flower What does it mean when someone answer with „period“ to a comment? Asking as a non native.
2 likes@itsme its an expression that black lesbians use to try to emphasize a point being made
12 likesLol who cares, she raised somebody with no respect which ended up in him getting smoked
2 likes@CH 01 lol who cares, disrespecting someone shouldn't cost you your life
11 likes@eliza lyday as they should. women shape our futures
3 likesGun control isnt the answer imo. Good for her though
5 likes@Angelo Mike the reason a man died that day not the gun
4 likesOmmg🔥
0 likesGreat, and I'm sure she's going to try and pass some dumbass gun control.
3 likeshell yeah we love to see it
0 likes@slow your roll no just black women, black culture
0 likes*not
0 likes@jasmin flower didnt ask
0 likesThat’s good to hear
0 likesDont be Michael Dunn.
1 likeYour done dunn!!!!!!!
0 likesRhonda determined correctly he does not deserve a second chance.
0 likesRhonda is a champ.
1 likeLive and let live
0 likes-Mike
It's pathetic at how he is pandering so ;hard to his obviously perceived societal privilege'' as an excuse for shooting a black kid because the hip hop music annoyed him.. Truly sick tbh.
0 likesTommy Stornes is a genius. If he had driven away from the parking lot or even to the hospital, Dunn's lawyer could've created reasonable doubt within the jury that there WAS a shotgun or that there WAS a stick that they dumped on the way to the hospital. Since Tommy Stornes smart driving kept the ccar out of Dunn's line of fire, kept the car in the parking lot, and called 911, he not only saved his friends, he helped make a somewhat open and shut case.
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100% agree. the kid has a great head on his shoulders. he saved lives that night, I hope he's doing good these days...
24 likesJust coincidence
0 likes@Paul Janssen mustn’t give black kid credit
19 likes@Piff Flair Why not?
0 likesSo sad
0 likesDude more emotional about a dog
0 likesrhonda deserves the world
0 likesWhy is he in the Oregon pen?
0 likesI’m as big a self-defense advocate as there is, but this is in no way self defense. It fails every test for legitimate self defense. Dunn was rightly convicted and deserves his sentence.
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14 likesHe thought he’d be the next George Zimmerman. Lots of parallels.
Zero similarity with Zimmerman. Zimmerman had an airtight case for self defense.
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24 likesAs I recall overweight adult Zimmerman tackled a skinny unarmed 17 year old kid who was minding his own business then shot him. Looks to me like Zimmerman and Dunn are both angry wannabe vigilantes.
@KaaBee I don't think that's what "happened" (obviously only Zimmerman knows exactly what happened). If I recall correctly the official story was that Zimmerman was following Martin because he though he looked *suspicious*. Zimmerman called the police and said he was doing this. Martin realized he was being followed by a grown man with a gun and somewhat ambushed Zimmerman got on top of him and started hitting him in the face. Zimmerman tried to get Martin off of him, but ended up shooting him from underneath.
8 likesMartin was actually pretty muscular for his age, I believe; a lot of the circulated photos were of a younger Martin. Zimmerman shouldn't have followed Martin and I understand Martin's reasoning, but I think Zimmerman's case still falls under self-defense.
Brometheus I believe self defense falls under feeling that your life is threatened. If you was being followed by someone with a gun I think you will feel threaten. Zimmerman was the threat. Can’t be self defense if you the one causing the threat. That case was bullshit.
14 likes@DozensOfViewers Zimmerman was a punk and should have been convicted.
10 likesBrometheus Zimmerman was the aggressor.. there is no self defense in Zimmerman’s case.. none!! Might I add Zimmerman had the gun.. so go figure...
1 likeDee Lem how would he have known about the gun before the confrontation?
1 like@Dee Lem Self defense only works if the threat is reasonable. You can't legally beat someone up for following you in a public area, even if they have a holstered gun. Martin may have felt uncomfortably but he should not have just started beating on Zimmerman. To be clear, I don't like Zimmerman, I think he is a racist weirdo, but that doesn't change that there simply wasn't evidence to show Zimmerman as the aggressor in that situation.
2 likes@Will Fryer 2 It was considered self defense because Zimmerman was bloodied and beaten by Martin before he shot him.
1 like@Brometheus tbh that do hold weight. I have to say i agree with your argument on this. The law is the law no matter have mess up it is at times.
0 likesBrometheus you are recalling the defenses STORY LINE (not facts) which makes you bias.
0 likesDee Lem well stated
0 likesBrometheus the fact is: we will never know the truth. Only one person survived and will say anything to defend himself just like we have just seen in this video. If there were no other witnesses, it’s highly possible that this would have been another Zimmerman case.
0 likes@Brometheus if a dude with a gun follows me around, am I not allowed to defend myself, too?
1 likeThis piece of garbage actually thought he was right to kill that guy. That's just...I don't know what that is. How does a person kill another person so casually? How much hate must he have in his heart?
0 likesI remember the trial, he reminded me of one of those people who carries a gun and looks for any reason to pull it out. He just wasn't going to let those teenagers talk to him that way...but he gets to rot in jail now...
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Like cops?
1 like@The American Militia like cops.
0 likes@The American Militia yes, but pls not all those gun crazy thugs who deal drugs and kill ppl left and right. We need them! RIGHT?Like he said, this guy probably just wished for a moment to pull then gun, for sure. But im fairly sure, based on experience, that those "victims" were no good and very well might had that shotgun.
0 likes@The American Militia nothing he did was justified tho. So don´t get me wrong. This dude is definitely a monster and deserves his sentence.
0 likesHe doesn’t deserve a woman like that.
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What are you implying ? That he deserves BETTER ??😲😲😲
5 likes@Joel Goldsmith 😐 no, he doesn’t deserve any woman
179 likes@Noel Except, you know, to put him in prison for the rest of his life. But sure.
23 likesI now it doesn't belong here but you are really pretty....Damn
5 likesHe called blacks in the south the scourge of the earth. He said no one should even be listening to the survivors. They're just thugs and daddy's who are thugs.
13 likesHow much of that you think he hid from her? Any of it? "I know honey" she knows the monster he is... She loved him wanted to be with him forever and liked him... She was one of em bud.
Your intuition isn't good. Careful what you're instincts tell you about people. You seem to be off a lot
Jorge Mendez : It`s the other way around.
0 likes@freda jordan oh yeah. Such a catch lol
0 likesHe's "somebody's woman" now.
8 likes@Master Blaster ~ ooh-wee,we got us a Barney badass here.. don't break your mom's keyboard.
1 like@curtis morris You haven't even seen the comment I replied to, he deleted it. You must love putting your nose into people's business without even knowing what the argument is about.
5 likes@Master Blaster Says the one who deleted their comment
0 likes@Bagel Person Lol what? When did I delete a comment?
1 like@Master Blaster ok so I may be stupid
2 likes@Master Blaster ~ Right..Because "shut the fuck up" is always the educated answer. Genius.
0 likes@Joel Goldsmith not the smartest in the room, are you?
2 likes@Obnoxiously Charming Your bulb doesn't shine too brightly does it? Have you any clue how blinding love is? I've seen people claim someone is, "good at heart", endlessly trying to find the good in them. Love is blinding. People will find any reason not to believe someone is a bad person. "Ah well he doesn't TRULY think that!". Plus she seems like the kind of person that would want to find the good in someone.
9 likes@curtis morris yess i was gonna comment something like this- its so true. i hope his butt hurts. makes me wanna watch hard time again lol
1 likeI honestly feel bad for her
4 likes@Volruhe yep, one of the reasons I keep, and keep on, meeting terrible horrible people.
0 likesYou're right.
0 likesWhy is there a whole argument going on here? Just accept that none of us know the situation between Michael and Rhonda, and that we shouldn’t be constantly making unsubstantiated guesses.
4 likes@Aaron Louse Jesus, finally someone is rational about this
0 likes@Obnoxiously Charming Do you have parents my guy? Even if your parents were wretched people deserving of death would you kill them? Could you kill them? Also, what if he only showed that side of him after marriage? At that point it's difficult to escape.
1 likehis feyonce doesnt deserve a man like this , lets put it this way
1 like@Acidfreak *fiance
0 likesThey are a perfect match, he like to command, she like to be commanded.
0 likesThe dog is guilty
0 likesAny finger guns? Any “brrrraattrtttt sound effects?”
0 likesas much as this was disgusting to watch, the ending with him getting a 90+ year sentence was really satisfying
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Why? It costs tax payers money to keep a piece of shit alive in jail, and nothing gets better for the family or the victims
8 likes@Kyle Broussard yea one persons taxes gets like 50 cents taken out of it to fund prisons.
30 likes@Allison Castro yeah times a couple hundred thousand people in prison, times all the life they will live in there. It comes out to about $70,000+/- per year to keep one inmate in prison.
2 likesAbout 200,000 prisoners in the US are in there for life. That's 70,000 times 200,000 per year, or $14B per year in tax payers money to support people deemed to be so dangerous in society, they need to live in prison forever.
@wade wilson young rich men go for younger women lol
3 likes@Ritvik Giridharan how? Death sentences cost 1 bullet
1 like@Kyle Broussard This article I found explained it well "It seems like common sense that it’s cheaper to execute someone than to house, feed and take care of them for the rest of their natural life. But there are a lot of unavoidable costs that make a death sentence far more expensive than a sentence of life without parole.
17 likesMost of these costs result from the unique status of the death penalty within the US justice system. Because it’s the only truly irreversible form of punishment, the Constitution requires a long and complex judicial process for capital cases, including several levels of mandatory review after a death sentence is issued. The appeals process takes decades to complete.
Studies of the California death penalty system, the largest in the US, have revealed that a death sentence costs at least 18 times as much as a sentence of life without parole would cost."
@Kyle Broussard I'll gladly have my taxes go towards him. And him being behind bars for the rest of his life is as good as it gets.
5 likesAnd impressive, you'd be very shocked to find out how many murderers only get 20-30 years.
3 likes@Kyle Broussard
3 likesSure keeping them imprisoned costs a lot. But their psychological distress of knowing they will be wasting the rest of their life forever jailed and never seeing the outside world for the rest of their life surpasses any form of execution. Being forced to keep living a bland and monotonous life with no way out is worth every penny.
amen
1 like@Kyle Broussard years and years of appeals. Plus we don't use firing squads, or squad anymore.
2 likes@Drunk Vegan Gal not really seeing as he won't probably even live a quarter of that
0 likesThanks for the spoiler dude !!!
0 likes@dodo vomitory I mean not always. Everyone's got their own types and tastes, dude.
1 like@Kyle Broussard It costs society more money to sentence someone to death.
1 like@Martin .. wow.
0 likes@Hypocritical Satire That’s insane. You’d rather spend a million on keeping inmates in prison for life so they feel prolonged distress rather than spending that money in something useful? Do you realize if we put that money towards Malaria, we could save about 12 lives a year ($70k cost a year divided by $5k it takes to save a life).
0 likesOf course, in reality, for reasons explained above, the cost of executing someone is often more than the cost of life in prison, but if it was as cheap as paying for the cost of a bullet, then in cases where absolute certitude about their guilt existed, that would be the obvious solution.
@Sean Matthew King okay but thats like what 1 or 2 cases a year?
0 likesDamn girl... spoiler alert lol
0 likes@Kyle Broussard your wrong , knowing that he won't have an easy way out made me and my family hurt but satisfied with the result...
0 likesIt's life without parole PLUS 90 years
0 likes@Kyle Broussard Sure in some fantasy world that could work. However in 99% of the cases you don’t have photo clear evidence.
0 likeshis defense: they were black.......this is florida right?
2 likes“You weren’t there....I said, YOU. WERE. NOT. THERE.” Wife proceeds to tell the truth and make him look like an absolute fool.
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0 likes@salomonReyes 👌perfect words
3 likesI like that woman, stands for truth in all expenses.
46 likesShe was not his wife, If she was she would not be called as a witness.
6 likes@Darrin Rentruc is my understanding a spouse "can not be compelled to testify" but can still be asked or even volunteer to do so.
18 likesStand for truth and justice even against your family, friends or kin.
6 likesYou mean Make him look like the absolute fool that he is ?
3 likesDarrin Rentruc The fact that she was so Straight forward makes me think she might have gone on her own will voluntarily
4 likesShe was his girlfriend. He’d already been divorced a few times by wives who’d said he was abusive and controlling.
8 likesA wife can be called as a witness by the prosecution but cannot be forced to testify
3 likesI love her
0 likesIn conclusion be like witness 7.
0 likesHe sounds like he's constantly trying to write an action thriller about himself
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This could legitimately be a Steven Seagal movie.
27 likesI've noticed in many of these interviews that subjects go out of their way to paint a positive picture of themselves and they often over do it.
16 likes@Jason Dulin I guess all humans are narcissistic. If someone does something, they see no issue in it and shit. In this case, he sees no issue in murdering a child.
2 likesHe just sounds like a typical narcissistic
5 likesMidlife crisis had him down horrendous.
2 likesHe believes he’s a main character. Little he knew he’s just a shitty villain.
1 likehe even gave himself a punchline for when he shot, "you're not gonna kill me you sob", who does he think he is?
9 likesHe sounds proud lol
0 likes@Jeff -66 - Stop generalizing, it makes you a racist too. I know a LOT of people of both political parties that have guns and a lot of them. Some of them hunt and some of them don't. So you stop being "racist". You are just another "divider" and wouldn't know the truth if God Himself was holding a sign in front of you, about anything truthful, you wouldn't believe it.
0 likesThese guys spend every waking moment hoping to be confronted so they can live out their fantasy. Rationalizing it with the gun-nut logic version of self-defense that they talk about with their friends.
0 likesHe's seen too many Clint Eastwood movies.
0 likesI frankly believe him more than any of the others
0 likesHe doesss lmaooo
0 likes“I am the victor, but I also was the victim” ☹️ he really wants to be a store
0 likes"You're not gonna kill me you son of a bitch!" Who talks like that?
0 likesTo think he even had the right to asked strangers about their music in their car... Not even an act of public indecency or abuse... just loud music. That was already wrong of him to do. And the fact he traumatized those men and killed one of them, over his clearly internalized racism (hence the “thug music” and presumptions that they were going to attack him). Sad.
4 likesSafe to say he won't be shedding any more tears over ye ole faithful Rhonda
0 likesHe was so confident that he was going to be free not knowing he would spend the rest of his life in prison
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Thought hed be a regular george zimmerman right
34 likesI think he was confident he would get away with it too. Remember the climate of "stand your ground" happening at that time??
21 likes@Morningbikeride you mean being a cop and have one of them charge you after you warn then several times to stop then shooting them, defo not justified
0 likes@Morningbikeride That's what I was thinking. He thought he'd get slapped w/ stand your ground. These detectives were thorough in their investigation. The story doesn't match w/ science.
5 likesNarcissists are always overly confident because the mostly get away with victimizing others until reality hits them.
1 likeI don't get these criminal. Even innocent people are not supposed to talk to the police without a lawyer, why tf do these guilty people think it's a good idea.
0 likes“They will begin to set traps for him, and destabilize his thought process by inducing anxiety”
3726 likesMe: 🍿
happy 2021, all you up voters. Stay vigilant
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Great idea! I'm at 17:42 and I have some! Thanks for reminding me
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5 likesLmao 👏
1 like👁👄👁*monch*🍿
19 likes@open every door Funny how we usually end up right about the same point in the video and always start scrolling thru the comments. lol
11 likes@vtwinbreed I literally read the main comment as the narrator was speaking it. Except I need popcorn 😕
3 likesBest comment here 🤟
1 likeMore like:
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Love this, so true! 😂😂🤣
2 likesThis is the best comment ever
2 likes😂 Ikr?
1 likeThis comment 💘
1 likeMy brain does that to itself already
1 likeLol :>
0 likes🤣🤣🤣🤣 Me too!!! 🤨🤏🍿
1 like@Trueblue777 happy new year’s 💙
2 likes@D K HAPPY NEW YEARS TO YOU TOO!!! 🥰🎉🎊✨
0 likes🍿👀 *munch munch munch*. It’s coming, be ready.
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Best enjoyed with coke and butterfingers
0 likesthat chuckle as he said that HE was the victim here is really disturbing.. i truly hope he's just saying that as a type of defense, and not that he actually thinks he is in a case where he shot at unarmed young teenagers TEN separate times and killed one just for playing their music too loud next to him.. 😒
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You'd be surprised how people can rationalize their behavior. I bet he actually believes what he's saying. Assuming he's prejudiced against black people, it's probably not hard for him to rationalize what he did (since he believes he's better than them).
0 likes3:43 The black gentleman in the first clips of testimony... I'm assuming that's the victim's father. The two looks you catch on his face... The first is the pain he's dealing with, but that first expression is clearly sympathy. Sympathy for the fiance of the monster who killed his son. He can tell she is obviously suffering for something she had and wanted no part of. What a GOOD man. Decency like that is so rare and my heart broke for him. God, that poor man.
60 likesYour content is phenomenal, Jim. My favorite channel by a mile. 👊
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I noticed that right away as well! Before I knew who was who- or who Dunn is, that is Empathy my brother sympathy is just the act of saying sorry that man shows True empathy which only something like 16% of the population can actually show it and have the gift of feeling for another human, it’s decreasing by the day but ya thank you for pointing this out! It’s so important to shout out to true empathy peoples it’s a super power!
3 likesHe left his sons wedding early to walk a dog. That is weird. If he could not have had a friend dog sit for a couple days, he could have put the dog in a kennel for $100. I can not think of many things which would make me leave my kids wedding early. That tells you right there he is a selfish person.
0 likesListening to that woman's voice crack when she has to describe what happened, it makes me so sad for her :(
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She is obviously a victim of dv
4 likes@Christopher Arnold ok? and you look like my old bus driver?
0 likesThis is one of those guys who misses the "Good ole days" when he could tell this story to the cops and they would automatically believe him. It never once crossed his mind that the car was full of smart ass teenagers who have never been in trouble and not the seasoned, adult gang members he assumed they were.
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Dude for real! Like he just assumed they’d probably have a gun in their car and his wack story would be validated
54 likesWhite Alliance what are you talking about?
18 likes@White Alliance I can't help but wonder if you misunderstood Sydney's comment. 🤔
13 likes@PurpleNiobe i just wanna bring some snow bunnies to the hood "lolz" . some of you people sit around defending groups of people you never dealt with or know personally. Malcom X talked about what "certain" type of people can do to help.... Which means they should do nothing.
0 likes@White Alliance So you just randomly started talking at the one person that appeared to be white about a completely different topic? Or are you saying you believe the boys who were shot at were thugs? Your post is all over the place.
20 likes@PurpleNiobe well first of all, youre not even the girl i replied to... So im not sure why you dont mind your business. 2nd there is no randomness to my comments. I never asked to speak to you, so now youre confused because my comments arent for you... Its all rather clear if you stop thinking every reply is for you.
0 likesThat other reply was not meant for you.
@White Alliance Martini is it you? Say hello to nurse Ratched.
12 likes@White Alliance how are you trying to clown on someone who says "lolz" when you left another comment on this video saying "lmaoz"
12 likesWhite Alliance Quick tip nobody says “thuggas” that gave you away. Also hope you’re getting the attention you want.
11 likes@Kaliym "gave me away?" What does this mean? I gave away what?
0 likesMAGA 🤣
3 likesGood ole days = MAGA
5 likesFred Yuballa ?????
1 likeWell despite his lies and horrible act, i see that this man is not born to kill. He is naive.
0 likes@Maysa yeddek Of course he wasn't born to kill. No one is. But he's not naive. His bigotry just made him blind.
2 likesI would have been your 1k comment but 999 Rip juice wrld
0 likesWhat good ole days would that be? surely not the days of my youth.and that spans from the late 60's to present day.
0 likes@facetious39 Well, in the 60s my dad was being chased down the street by a group of white boys calling him the n word. In the 50's an angry white man stormed into my dad's classroom with a shotgun and pointed it at my dad's teacher because Mr. Shot was mad she had the audacity to politely ask his kids to play away from the schoolhouse so her students could stop being distracted. My father wouldn't call the 50's and 60's the good ole days, but I bet you Mr Shotgun and the group of white boys chasing him sure would.
3 likesWell,what's your story? Is it I'm going to be a victim forever?
2 likes@facetious39 Your comment on "being a victim forever" immediatly indicates you're not truly interested in any story I would have to tell.🤷🏾♀️
0 likes@purpleniobe. I completely agree with your initial comment and there after all your others.
2 likesIt gets tiring the amount of attention seeking trolls that are on YouTube, Fragglebook (which I do not have an account for, as there is not an ounce of intellect to be found) and other such social media. Its best not to respond to them at all and leave them to their own worlds.
PurpleNiobe I literally never comment on youtube but i read all these trolls’ responses and just wanna say you’re on point. These trolls replying don’t even deserve your time of day! Peace and love to you
1 like@John Breslin Thank you (and @D. ) for your comments. I use to argue with Trolls when I was bored until I realized that just gave them more fuel to harass other people. Believe it or not I've even found some people aren't even trolls in the traditional sense. They're just incapable of having a discussion or debate without lacing it with insults.
0 likesracism lmao
0 likes@White Alliance lmfaoooooo copy pasta potential
0 likes@White Alliance such a hero!
1 like@Gabe thank you this is a compliment to me friend.
0 likesGood thread overall, I liek you peoples
@James Davis Sadly, that is the thinking of a lot of people who just start blasting. If they are so afraid they need to stay home so that our kids can live to reach old age.
0 likesLennart Andersson The 1920’s?! How about 2020?!!
0 likesDid you see his reaction when he realized he was being charged for murder? He was surprised a white man killing a black “thug” would be treated as murder 🤦♀️
0 likesI want to feel bad for Rhonda but I just can’t. She knew her fiancé shot into another vehicle at least 3 times and just jumped in the car with him and left the crime scene, like Bonnie and Clyde. She knew the next morning that he had killed a CHILD and did not once tell him to talk to the police. In fact she urged him to go on the run and “get them home”. It wasn’t until AFTER she received the call from the detectives that she realized there was no escaping the truth and decided to throw her fiancé under the bus to save herself. Let’s be very clear, I feel no remorse for her. She knew the type of man he was well before that night.
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i kind of disagree, people can hide their nature very well. she didnt know what happened and he was lying to her, and she was probably very scared and in shock. her being manipulated by a murderer doesn't mean you shouldn't feel any remorse for her, she was a victim in some ways too.
2 likesSalute to the homeless guy and his humanity. Despite knowing he had warrants, he put himself aside to do the right thing. I call that a stand up guy without a home, but a huge heart ❤
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Homeless guy?
8 likes@ron james yes, in the interview it was mentioned that a homeless guy was a witness and spoke with police
56 likesOkay
3 likesHey could you time stamp it? I just finished the whole thing but missed that ;(
6 likesA homeless man who would read the paper everyday brought a fairly wanted fugitive down because he just happened too see this guy the same day his face was on the front page of the paper !
7 likesDoes mess with homeless people !
Wow I didn’t even hear that part. That’s amazing.
1 likeNowhere in this video is there ever a mention of a homeless guy. I’m not saying there wasn’t one, perhaps you saw it in another video covering the same case but it was definitely not in this video.
32 likesYou sound Crazy Theresa James.
1 like@Tomski McDougle me and 526 other viewers. Think before you speak. I'm sure that's a challenge for you
4 likesWhen the cop is facepalming during your story, your statement's probably not going well.
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I don’t think he got the memo 😂
24 likesHaha i missed that when was that?
0 likesLMAO
0 likesIt seems like Rhonda was a bit scared of him, he was a ticking time bomb and she possibly dodged a bullet for later on
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I picked up on such from her speech and careful wording too. I recognise a few things from my own experiences. She's incredibly brave.
147 likesI'm sure she did
8 likesHis neighbor alleged that he was abusive towards ex-wives, so maybe.
68 likesFiguratively and possibly literally
19 likesThats what i thought. I was honestly scared for her when i heard about her having to go with him after this happened
14 likesshe should be in jail too the guy killed someone and she saw then just said we'll deal with it in the morning
4 likes@Nothing rhymes with Silver. bad take
19 likes@Nothing rhymes with Silver. She didnt know someone was dead until the news the next day. I think she even said in her interveiws he wouldnt tell her anything about what happened
25 likespossibly??
0 likesshe dodged a bullet but it hit a kid in the crossfire
5 likes@Just a Strider she had no way of knowing he would do that, yes he told her he hates that “thug” music but his response is no where normal. She was in the store when the gunshots were fired.
5 likesI work at a school with very destructive, unpredictable and manipulative 13 year old and this is exactly how his mom talks to him as well. Total hostage, very sad
0 likes@Nothing rhymes with Silver. she only heard gunshots she didn't know someone died. Plus after that she was inside a car with someone mad with a gun then in a hotel room with someone who used a gun and is drunk. I think she's justified.
6 likesPun intended?
0 likes@Nothing rhymes with Silver. When did she see it? I don’t recall hearing that she saw anything. The video said that she went outside the store after hearing shots went off.
0 likesThe way she sighs when she recounts him saying he hated the music, and she said “yes, I know...” How many rants had she sat through about things he didn’t like?
2 likesYou should do videos on this process on innocent people and how innocent people can be screwed over. I love your work so far, keep it coming regardless :)
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He has done I think one or two ... check out his previous worl
1 likeThat would be interesting
1 likeHe has some on Patreon... only a $1 a month its worth it lol!
2 likesHe had some great interviews of innocent people but i cant find them here nor on the patreon
1 likeThere was one about a woman convicted of murder for allegedly pushing her partner through a window that was grossly inadequate for the size and application. She killed herself in prison. Absolutely disgusting injustice.
0 likesIs there no cctv footage of the crime scene? Surely there must be? Anyone?
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I dont think there is .
1 likeProbably not released footage
0 likesHe deserves to be in prison being somebody's play thang for what he did so I'm glad he talked to the police without a lawyer. But I can't understand how people feel like talking to the police can ever turn out good for them.
0 likesThis woman has a level of honesty rarely seen.
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It’s sad though. She’ll probably live the rest of her life thinking “all I wanted was wine and now a child is dead” That’s definitely what I would be thinking
19 likes@Pinoy Pineapple Drinking causes no end of problems. ^^
1 likeRhonda definitely gives off abused spouse vibes. I'm glad she told the truth.
2 likes“I am the victim and the victor”.
419 likesHe should say that phrase to the parole board when he gets a chance.
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You should not be proud of taking a life, no matter how justified you perceive it to be.
16 likes@Decoy Lunch whoosh
7 likesI'd love to go to that parole meeting with a speaker. Halfway into his testimony about how hes reformed... "I'm the victor, AND the victim!"
15 likesNah boi, get back to your cell.
@R Nah boi?
1 likeR
3 likesHe is unrepentant narcissist.
He must be popular in prison.
"I'm the driver, I'm the winner. Things are gonna change, I can feel it"
6 likes@mickeydusk I get that it was a joke. Point still stands towards Dunn's statement. Not the op comment.
1 like@Umer Tracker I do't think he will be addressing the parole board - I think he got life without parole plus 90 years.
4 likesHe might not be able to get his words out when he’s 197 years old
1 like"Did you hurt anyone"
563 likes"No. I just shot at the car"
Oh you mean the car with people inside?
With bullets that easily penetrate a car door?
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IIAndersII He knew what he was doing, in fact it appeared to me that he was proud of what he did.
42 likes@Brad BradBradBrad
7 likesOr as Louis CK once said "I dunno he just leaned into it"
Hold up. They penetrate car doors? It never happened that way on The A-Team!
4 likes“I’m the victor, but the victim”
2877 likesAh yes... killing a child and spending the rest of your life in prison, a true victory...
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Phatty dubz
17 likesSightless Sniper at 17, he still has a lot of growing up to do though, and at least sixty years left to live. While calling him kid may be a little inaccurate ( personally at sixteen I would not have much problem with being called a kid ) he is definitely not a fully grown man being at least three or four years from becoming an adult. Whatever you want to call it, sixty odd years is a lot for a stranger to take away from you.
75 likes@Dat Boi pretty much the only thing I was saying, thank you
6 likesEven if you don’t think that 17 is a child/kid/teen or whatever, 17 is still a minor
36 likesI think he meant victor of the situation not the results
2 likes@Sightless Sniper No one asked you what you did when you were 17…
55 likes@Dat Boi "for a stranger to take away from you." Like they have nothing to do with what happens this evening ... ok they were young mens, but they was old enough too drive a car, to insult people. They have started this shit. And btw how do you do the difference between 17 year old and 22 years old late at night ? You can't. Easy to judge for us with all the elements.
5 likesAnt hony what is your point again? 22 or 17, either way, that's around sixty years left to live. Also, they did not know mike did they? So he's a stranger and they definitely did not start it. They were just listening to music.
12 likesTake a life, forfeit yours. Rape, forfeit your life. Steal, pay it back double, can’t pay it back, you now work for whom you stole from. Prison just breeds more criminals.
0 likesBetter then being in the fucking ground
0 likes@Sightless Sniper In law, a minor is a person under a certain age, usually the age of majority, which legally demarcates childhood from adulthood. The age of majority depends upon jurisdiction and application, but it is generally 18. Minor may also be used in contexts that are unconnected to the overall age of majority.
5 likes@Aye Jax and our brains don't mature fully until around 25 years old, so while a 17 year-old is physically pretty much an adult they're in no way one mentally
4 likes@Sightless Sniper Or maybe you were a child who was handed a rifle by a country who considered you expendable?
6 likes@Sightless Sniper and they never should have done that because you were absolutely a child.
1 likeWho here thinks Mike Dunn is a Trump supporter?
3 likes@Sightless Sniper 17 is by definition a child. If anything, your "I was enlisted" is more of an indictment of the way the US Military manipulates youth and puts them in situations no kid that age should be in.
5 likesThis thing was a true narcissus to the bone!!! His next door neighbor went to the authorities to let them know what kind of asshole this "it" was. How he stole from his parents and he is just a ,or was a blatant bully in everything he did.....so now he has gotten his just deserts, by the way his woman left him as you knew she would.
0 likes@Sightless Sniperand it was BOYS who died on dday man.
0 likesHe is no victim. He put himself in that situation. It sucks, but he did it too himself.
1 like@Jakob Gabrielsson I don’t think the guy was in Fear of their witty and cutting remarks.. physicality is all that counts, Hell, it’s even more dangerous when that physicality isn’t tempered by the maturity of mind, so perhaps a 17yo is MORE dangerous than an adult...
0 likesThe narrator mentioned how he seemed to be unable to keep from bragging about what happened. This was my immediate thought too when I heard that
2 likes@Sightless Sniper 17 is a minor… high school student
2 likes@Sightless Sniper 17 year olds do tons of stupid crap and are very likely to mouth off. Source: was a 17 year old for about a year
1 likeI agree with your comment but wouldnt call a 17 year old a child
0 likes@Melody Johnson just because someone is not a kid at 17years og age makes you mad?
0 likes@Joe T although the law says a person is an adult at 18 doesnt necessarily mean its the absolute truth. It is strictly 18 so there can a legal definition if an adult. Byrocrasy needs definitions
0 likes@Mysterious Stranger are you replying to the right person? I said 17 year olds are kids.
0 likes@Ethan 👏💯
1 like@Sightless Sniper nice bait bro. I have a serious feeling you aren't even over the age of 17 with that attitude alone.
1 like@Sightless Sniper I joined at 17 I was a kid
0 likes@Charles Stevens
0 likesYes good for her. She deserved better.
@Sightless Sniper A murder took place, but calling a 17 year old a child is the real crime. Great work detective.
1 like@Travis B According to the law anyone who is under 18 is a child! and the majority is attained at the age of 18!
0 likes@Melody Johnson drinks soylent and has glasses on
0 likes@Aye Jax Saying "child" suggest a harmless six year old, A 17 year old male can murder you with his fists, and it does happen.
1 like@Sightless Sniper A 17 year old is a kid. It doesn’t matter if you were in the army at that age, there’s 10 year old soldiers in Rwanda so....
0 likesWow
0 likesSo he was drink driving and thinking he owned the streets and a young man has lost his life because of a trigger happy drunk if it was my kids life u took like that u better hope police get to.u first
0 likes@RJ No one asked you if anyone asked them what they did when they were 17 ... So why are you saying us about who asked or not?
0 likesAgreed
0 likesnot a child
0 likes@Sightless Sniper Correct sir👊👊🇺🇸🇺🇸
0 likes@Aye Jax If 17 as a kid in the US has child soldiers ha ha
0 likessniper the type of guy to be in one of these videos
0 likesYall can chill off of sightless sniper, the dude's not responding. Since im here though, with a name like sightless sniper, im not sure you stopped being 17
0 likes@Joe T No they are not . Legally only adults are allowed to have a driving license not children . So if you have a driving license legally you are not a child . So if a 16 year old does something wrong he/she will be sent to a child correctional facility and not to a prison but if a 17 year old is involved in a criminal act he/she will definitely go to a prison .
0 likesGuy sounds like the narratorin stand by me
0 likesIt must have been so hard for Rhonda to sit up there and testify. She's an honest and admirable woman.
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Yall glorifying snitches lol
1 like@Johnson Jame The whole concept of snitches being the wrong ones is so fucked up. A 17 year old kid is dead. Without Rhonda's testimony, it's possible that Dunn wouldn't have gotten the sentence he did. People shouldn't stay quiet if they see fucked up shit, and the idea that they should is stupid.
5 likes@Aquaman it was joke
0 likesthis dude shot and killed a seventeen year old and then proceeded to buy himself a pizza like nothing happened, and had the audacity to say " i'M tHe viCTiM" words can't describe how i feel
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Ah another lebanese mate, salut 👋🏻
7 likesThis is the, fortunately rare, but inevitable extreme of Karen-ism.
26 likesGod bless! Believe in your heart and confess with your mouth that Jesus Christ is our Lord and Savior and the Son of God and died on a cross for our sins! Believe God is our Father and Creator and raised His Son Jesus from the dead! Confess and repent of your sins and trust in God! Live for Jesus as He died for you!! (Don’t swear or take God’s name in vain!) 🥰🤍
8 likes@olivia grace never
20 likesHe didn't know he killed someone at that time of buying a pizza.
2 likes@Talal Badreddine 😀✋🏻 salut
2 likes@Lyra Pople couldn’t have said it better😂
0 likes@olivia grace he didn’t die me. He died for everyone but me.
1 like@olivia grace Stop forcing your beliefs on us
11 likesSalam waleikum Bashir w Abu arz 7ay fina! Ouwet w bas!
0 likes@olivia grace You need help 😂 preaching as if you're in church on a Sunday morning, we're in a crime analysis video, your comment is so irrelevant lol
13 likesBoomers gonna boom
2 likes@potato chip These comments are like everywhere in this comment section I’m starting to believe they‘re just bots. And if they’re not bots I really hate this kind of people who force their religious beliefs on others.
3 likesProbably didn't even see them as humans. This whole situation screams that some racist got too hostile too quick because some black kids were speaking to him like that.
8 likesMassive entitlement it is all about the glorification of his ego. If I shot someone I would not leave and I wait for the police.
2 likes@olivia grace I didn't ask him to die for me.
0 likeshe didnt know he killed someone till the next day in morning when ge watched the news check your facts
0 likes@LxnobodyXL bruh he shot at a car (10 times) with kids inside and he didn't think he killed anyone? 😑
4 likesPeople with anime pictures have no valid opinions
0 likesAll of you people seem to forget, he didn't KNOW he hit someone until the NEXT morning when it was on the news. That is when they, Mike and Rhonda, knew that someone was dead. Sure hope people like you all don't ever get on a Jury, your selective hearing is a real concern.
0 likesI bet your all bent out of shape.
0 likes@LxnobodyXL thats an unvalid point what r u tryna prove
0 likesI only wanted more of the wife's version of the story. She drove stakes into his story with just a couple sentences
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@WIll Marsh She didn't do anything wrong lmao why tf would she support her husband for doing something clearly despicable and wrong. She told the truth and supported justice for the boy that was killed.
2 likes@Jimmy Rustler thats exactly what he means. He just wanted to hear more from her point of view...
10 likesof course you did shes just so strong and brave
0 likes“Animals…thugs…violent…” She has her “listening to his racist rant” voice on during that call. I hope she’s dumped him and gotten a good therapist to help her realize she never deserved to be in a relationship with such an abusive jerk.
0 likesRhonda gets a golden pass VIP ticket to the cookout. Poor lady, I just want to give here a hug. She’s too pure for this man, he never deserved her.
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A hug and a couple of rum and cokes 😆
154 likesFor real. And props to her for not caving and telling the story like it was at the trial. Hope Mike's soul rots n never reincarnates
187 likesMy heart broke as soon as I heard her talking, that poor woman doesn't deserve this.
77 likes@Ricicici 33 So true love is defending a murderer? Alrighty then.
112 likes@Ricicici 33 you’re right, it’s common sense and morals.
51 likesMy heart broke as soon as I heard her talking, that poor woman doesn't deserve this
36 likesI don’t know about the cook out but she did do what she was supposed to do!
13 likesNo she's not. She was enabling her husband's or boyfriend racist behavior. Before he took it too far. She is just as selfish as he is. She is very hypocritical.
31 likes@Rilak Kuma I'm sorry but she's not fucking responsible for actions any other than her own. She told the truth, that's the only thing she could do and she did it right.
152 likes@rriarria you're right! That's the ONLY thing she did right. to save herself!
22 likesIf she had called him out on his behavior for hating "thugs" for no reason ,maybe that monster would have been a little more educated and know the real definition of a thug.
@Ricicici 33 True love is loving someone enough to have them face the rightful consequences of their actions
12 likesThat's so TRUE! I was thinking that when he said he was shooting his damned gun the first time, and she emphatically asked, "WHY?" Her heart is so obviously with her, as well as conscience. He's not only a loser, but Forever a murderer. God knows she moved on quickly to a decent man after her deposition was over.
10 likes@Hugh Darrow that’s not the entire story tho. she not only enabled his statement prior to her entering the store, but she also went home with him and literally ran from the situation. barely asked about the situation, even when the news clearly articulated that someone had died. neither one of them called the police, or even considered the lives of the kids. u only ever see her react when shes testifying and realizes her fiancé is going to jail. she’s not sympathetic to the life that was taken from jordan and his family, but rather, the life she was hoping to have with micheal.
11 likesShe doesn’t want to go to your stinky cookout
4 likes@Ricicici 33 Isn't Love a PART of your Life? I got a lot of bubbles in my life, one of them is love, one of them is career, one of them is attitude etc. If your lover fits in this bubble because of his or her belief, you keep this bubble as healthy and alive as possible, until death. So, she did love him but still stood in her bubble of righteousness and confidence. It's what makes her a rare, charismatic human being. And I appreciate it. It was just fair and right. Kinda pure and innocent.
1 like@Rilak Kuma think he said thug music.
1 likeLove this comment so much
0 likes@Meme Man and for the love of god no wine
1 like@Kaela Hillman Maybe she was scared of how far he would go if she raised any objections, further more depending on the person it may take time to fully process the situation and realize the extend of her husbands action. Its very easy to point out errors looking at a case from an outside perspective but doing "the right thing" in extreme situations isnt easy and we can never be fully prepared for it. It doesnt rule self preservation out as her only motive but I wouldnt be too quick to judge. Calling her husband out in court was the right thing no matter her intentions....
9 likes@Rilak Kuma doing the right thing, even if it's for selfish reasons, is still doing the right thing. You shouldn't discourage someone from. doing the right thing for selfish reasons because it ultimately helps more people. If I witness a neighbour I hate doing something illegal like dealing drugs, I may be phoning the police because I hate him and I want to get one over him but ultimately its the right thing to do as it helps more people in the long run.
2 likesNo
0 likes@Dheadbydfault that's a bit harsh.
0 likes@Rilak Kuma what a donut
0 likes@Kaela Hillman some people are really bad at empathy.
5 likes@Explosivo100 That's the thing...she DIDN'T defend him...quite the opposite, even knowing he would be imprisoned for life over it. We have to remember, she didn't meet him as a murderer . Do people abandon their cherished loved ones if they commit murder? Personally, I never had to tackle that, thank God. However, I can't blame her for having compassion towards the man she KNEW...it's totally different coming from our place, only knowing the person AFTER they commit an act of murder. She probably knows his temper and convinced herself he has a "good heart" (my assumption of course). Either way, she did not defend him even though she still has some type of love for him (out of just compassion for him...who knows? She does seem compassionate- (makes sense she became a nurse).
6 likesNow...if she had lied for him, the concept of defending a murderer would be apt. Anyhow, she's not the cold hearted b@stard, he is.
@Rilak Kuma How do you know that conversation came up, and if it did how in the world could you expect her to foresee what happened! We BOTH need more info before we can say one way or the other (he may have been on his best behavior around her). What IS clear is she has compassion for the man she loved for almost 4 years prior...but still gave the true story, even to the detectives...damning statements at that. It's not like she had to turn state's evidence against him as she was not part of the crime. As I said to someone else, she is not the cold blooded b@stard, he is!
0 likesthats why she needed another bottle of wine to keep hanging out with him.
2 likesWell... Her heart is certainly in the right place, but they were both DRUNK when she let him drive. She’s not a saint... nor is she smart.
1 like@coffeefrog why us she responsible for both of their actions if she was intoxicated? Why us it, “she let him drive”, and not that he drove? Why as a drunk woman is it her fault her husband drove drunk?
6 likesIt sounds like mental gymnastics to make it somehow her fault HE got drunk and killed a child.
So no one noticed that Rhonda told detectives early on that they didn't speak of anything, just went to bed? Her "no" responses to him mentioning any weapon could have also been, "but we didn't speak".
0 likesMy take is that he was drunk, causing him to misread everything, especially the supposed threats and actions of the teens while emboldening him to shoot and murder. No alcohol, he would've parked away from them initially, just as the other driver did.
@Bean sprout 🌱💞 I didn't say it was only her fault, but we've just been talking about her here. Obviously it's his fault. If she was aware he was drinking, which she was, then it's both their fault that he drove drunk. Both of them are responsible for not getting a proper ride home.
0 likesShe has been going out with a hard core racist, for 4 years. This is not their first date. You think he never made a racist joke in his presence? Never revealed his true felling about POC? I am sure she knew his exact thinking on those matters and she was at home with it.
1 likeGranted she did not pull the tigger. However, I am not hearing HER remorse for what happened to the deceased or the 3 survivors. She is crying because Dunn's act of murder, has wrecked her life at that point and ended her marriage plans. She was going to marry a guy who has a history of abusing women, a guy who tried to get them to participate in orgies.
@Anonym neighbors affirmed it.
0 likes@Kaela Hillman if your husband shoots at people for the smallest things, would you confront him at home?
4 likes@Hugh Darrow - My spin: He is arrogant and thinks cops are idiots. He has no problem engaging the black detective ( who is sharp as can be ) not because he wants to hide his racism, but because he thinks the black cop is not smart enough to figure out, he is lying. In other words, he holds the black cop, especially, in total contempt.
3 likesHis inner thinking, IMHO, is along the lines of " hey man, I told you the story, it is simple to follow, what is your problem that you cannot figure it out ".
That is what he is thinking, because if Dunn had any clue, absolutely ANY clue as to how intelligent those detectives were, he would not say one word. But he goes ahead, acts his normal arrogant self, and makes chopped liver of any defense his attorney could mount.
Arrogance keeps an expensive school. Fools will learn in no other.
@John - You have no idea what she is like in private. Her fiancé is a hard core racist.
0 likes@susan ivy -
2 likesShe date him 4 years. She saw the racism. She was with it.
@Jay Silva - Yep. 4 mixed drinks and a glass of wine were clearly not enough. Imagine what she drinks when at home. Both are alcoholics.
0 likes@John perceived protection and status most likely
0 likes@Explosivo100 she absolutely did not defend him.... If anything she gave them more evidence against him then shit to help him out did you watch the video man?
0 likesthats a reach saying someone doesn't deserve someone else implies they are better than them that woman is better than no-one
0 likes@Ricicici 33 That poor woman deserves one way better than this stupid Rambo.
0 likesWhat is wrong with this dude?
0 likes@rriarria i did fall for the Southern belle routine either. Listen to the interview-she knows the deal and was co signing his racist behavior until it went too far 😡‼️
0 likes@cat snake I am not buying into her acting.
0 likes@Rilak Kuma seems like she would tend to lie or dissemble to protect her fiance in that case. Nope. She blasted his a$$ right outta the water and into a LIFETIME in a cage (which he deserves), along with destroying her future marriage and life with him. Doesn't seem that selfish...🤔
0 likes@Rilak Kuma how do you know she didn´t? Because you already hate her and are looking at everything through that lens.
0 likes@Kaela Hillman I so have to agree with you! From the moment it all went down her thoughts were on how this was going to ruin her life her dreams and Ambitions with this clown... Sad actually. Because any rational human being would say oh my God you shot at them? You need to make sure that nobody was hurt...
0 likesWhy? I guarantee they did threaten him. He more than overreacted, but I can tell you they're no angels. Hood people(not just black,cause I know you will take it that way... white and Hispanic too) are roudy and respond with threats all the time. I've been in situations like this numerous times."what you gonna do white boy" I've been jumped for even stepping foot in the wrong hood. But when its a white guy "he's evil, racist " but when its one of our own nobody says shit
0 likes@Anonym Never. That would be a very not smart thing to do.
0 likes@Rilak Kuma aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand sjw virtue signalling
0 likesNo room to talk ma'am
0 likesCookout sure, but no house parties..........
0 likesY’all need to listen to this again. I don’t think she was going to report her dude to the police...
0 likesEveryone saying they were pissed faced drunk. No. They said they had 3 to 4 drinks each, over a 3 hour period. Now as an alcoholic who has been to DUI classes and drug and alcohol counseling, I can tell you that a glass of wine, shot of liqour, or a beer all equal the same amount of ABV roughly. I can also tell you that the alcohol in your system wears off at a calculated rate at about one drink an hour. So if you drink 3 to four drinks in 3 hours then you are at an ABV of 0-1 drinks worth which would be between %0.00-%0.04
0 likesShe can take two to go plates cuz whew Chile…
0 likesIf he's saying things like "I hate that thug music" often enough that she shrugs it off, there's no way this was his first time being racist and awful that she was aware of 🙃
0 likesMaybe the rap music said it was gonna kill him. Rap music does that sometimes.
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Hmm maybe . Good observation. But it still doesn't make up or excuse for what be did.
1 like@𝘼𝙎𝙈𝙍 MoonCat It also shows how irrational it is to judge people by their music.
0 likesand this is exactly why you mind your business even if you don’t like what someone else is doing. he started the altercation himself, and escalated it himself. now he’s in prison.
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What bothers me moreso is it was only temporary, he only had to deal with for as long as she took to buy wine or they left, he didn't ever have to hear or see them again.
25 likes@Jack Kawf exactly, he ruined his whole life because he was uncomfortable for 10 minutes max.
18 likes@Ken M i’m not concerned for his well being at all, i could care less what happens to him. i’m just trying to say that minding your business can save you from making a mistake that will ruin your life. i see stories of children dying everyday. don’t try to make it seem like i don’t sympathize for them. woman.
1 like@Jack Kawf exactly, why not just turn the radio up in your own car? Like easiest and fastest solution!
1 likePrivilege revoked
0 likesHis wife knows he is wrong. I hope she left him
1 likeI have to give credit to homies fiancé. She was 100% honest even though she knew she was probably burying her man. Now that’s honor.
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She’s earned my respect a thousand times over because of her pure honesty. And the fact that she felt guilty that she wanted to stop to get wine and thought it was her fault because of it, when it was obviously his fault... she’s too good for him.
47 likesHomie isn’t a very descriptive word for what he actually is
18 likesBy law she could have easily refused to testify against him since they were common law married
2 likesYou are right that she was HONEST regardless of how it would end up for him. She is probably permanently traumatized because of that racist POS.
7 likesHow you discover someone a racist psycho on the honeymoon
1 likeHe looks like trump, he is like trump
2 likesWhat bothers me the most is that it'd take his wife a couple minutes to get into the store and come back with the wine. It isn't like he'd spend a couple hours listening to loud music unwillingly. He deliberately chose to kill those boys. Nothing can justify trying to kill people because you couldn't wait a couple minutes in the car listening to music you don't like. What a fucking monster.
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Exactly, he was quick to have a major problem with them. I think he is a racist & intolerable of others
21 likesThis is exactly what I would have write if my english was perfect ! 😉 I totally agree with you, this is one of the thing that bothering me the most and that I can't understand. I write something like that in the comments...
9 likesYou clearly never heard Maria Leal or Zé Cabra.
0 likesHe chose to kill them because they threatened him.
1 like@Not Sure did u watch the video
16 likes@Vector Enigma Yes.
1 likeThen he shouldve gave them a warning shot. He didnt have to fire multiple shots. Thats overkill and intent.
4 likes@i am toxic It's okay to intend things.
1 like@Not Sure why do you keep defending a racist murderer under every comment? and where is the proof that he was “threatened”
10 likes@Mauree Golden What racist? I'm not defending any specific racist. I defend racism generally, because emotions are a human right. But there is no racist in question in this video. Grow up.
1 like@Not Sure how is there not a racist present? he called what i’m sure they were listening to (hip hop) “thug music” already placing a target on their back from the start, he then pulls up right next to them but hates “thug music” so he was looking for a fight. on a phone call he calls them “criminals” though they are innocent. in his cell, he was recorded saying that the young child he killed “would’ve became a criminal anyways” he later fires ten shots of rage, this is racism. i am grown, and have experienced racism. people find ways other than calling you the N word to be racist. you grow tf up, and stop living in fanasty land. people are racist, and he happens to be one of them.
16 likes@Not Sure you defend racism??? um i see why you’re defending him under every comment, people like you are why the world won’t ever move on from this
10 likes@Not Sure “it’s okay to identify thug music as such” what are you even talking about. i’m starting to believe you’re the racist, you say slick remarks and keep defending him.
11 likesFiancé. Please watch the video before commenting.
3 likes@Cristian Malaquias Your response is substantially the same as "takes one to know one" or "I know you are but what am I?". Case closed.
1 likeEven if they played music 24 fucking 7 as their neighbor, there is no justification for this shit.
2 likesHe pulled up and was immediately annoyed by the music. If it was that big of an issue I don’t see why he couldn’t have taken the extra minute or two to pull out of that spot and park somewhere else. This guy wanted a confrontation.
2 likes@Cassity It's righteous to hold your ground and confront packs of joggers.
2 likes@Not Sure sorry you're unloved
3 likes@MY NAMA CHEF You're going with that, huh? Stay mad.
2 likesPay him no mind. This is probably the most fun he’s had 😅😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 @Not sure is a loser
5 likes@Divine M Undefeated so far. Keep forcing it though. You might convince yourself.
2 likesEntitlement runs deep in some cultures and it's pretty obvious he was brought up in a culture that values their own comfort over others' lives. Unfortunately, I've met many like him where I'm from 😪
0 likes@v b And in such cultures those claiming entitlement ARE entitled. They're not merely claiming it, they does deserve and get what they claim to deserve to get in those cultures. No one's comfort was valued over life. The life of a victim was valued over that of assailant.
1 likeHe will pay.
0 likes@dzjoneshauser He did pay. He got shot through the fucking door he hid behind 😂
1 like@La Kenzie You really shouldn't make the "your/you're" mistake when calling someone illiterate. 😂
1 like@Not Sure Mauree Golden finished you. I dont know why my first comment was removed but i’ll happily type it again ina shorter version. He’s more well spoken then you, used facts provided by the video from Michael Dunn’s own mouth, and all you did was be passive aggressive with assumptions. You lost buddy. You come here to be the man you will never be, in a comment section on the internet.
3 likes@La Kenzie No, I haven't been refuted or disproven anywhere here. Your weak attempts to shame me into compliance don't work, they just reveal the desperation of your position. Cope.
1 likeTurn down for what!
0 likesI love how witness 7, like most of us with brains, didn’t want to listen to the loud, most likely crappy music, and just parked somewhere else. That’s what normal humans do. We don’t all have to like the same things, but we don’t have to kill people for our opinions.
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Not trying to defend Dunn who's clearly in the wrong but at least have some courtesy lol, don't put out loud music in a public place, and also him using his guns was only intended to scare them away not to kill them
49 likes@MultiChantal22 He intended to scare them away by shooting at them?
398 likes@MultiChantal22 you must be joking.
274 likes@BrentTX87 Well yeah, that's why he shot the car door, not the windshield, not the window, and not directly at them
8 likes@MultiChantal22 You been to any city, man? People blast music everywhere- it's 100% annoying but in no way exceedingly uncommon.
195 likes@MultiChantal22 "Not trying to defend Dunn" yet that's exactly what you did.
148 likes@MultiChantal22 Scare them away huh? Try that next time you hear some music you don’t like and I’ll see you on the news in handcuffs lol
80 likes@MultiChantal22 I agree that playing music loudly enough for the cars next to you to hear is incredibly rude. And doing so in a parking lot is even worse.
68 likesBut you do not shoot at cars if you do not want to hurt someone. And music is hardly a reason for a gun. I think that if he didn't want to hurt them he wouldn't have shot his gun.
These kids have no respect for anyone.
13 likesThen they act surprised when get shot.
@Zstead one blasting music that loud can be illegal in some places i think though, but obviously should just call the police or complain to the people inside
13 likes@Juicy342YT Fair enough, but I don't think a gas station qualifies and you're right- generally you'd just lodge a noise complaint with the appropriate party.
12 likes@Zstead one yeah im not too familiar with specific laws like that, just recall some conversation or reading about it or something
2 likes@MultiChantal22 as long as you are not causing someone harm. You owe a stranger NOTHING, not even courtesy. That’s the problem with certain peoples mindset in this country. The sense of entitlement is IMMENSE and clearly can be dangerous.
50 likesThey were in a petrol station, no one is in a petrol station long enough to care about anyone's music. If he had just shut up for a few minutes he could have just driven away, cussing about them all the way home and never had to think about it again.
42 likesMy real problem is why are they calling him witness 7 if they'll show his face in 4k
12 likes@Aldo Horn if it's a gas station or a Walmart or a public park parking, I don't find it rude at all u can bust whatever music as loud as u want just not in a housing area
22 likes@Ray Operator Which kids? black kids?
35 likes@aiight bet I still think it is a bit rude, because not everyone wants to listen to another person's music.
15 likesBut I agree that a gas station is not really a quiet place and to expect absolute silence is really stupid.
Also when I say that I find it rude I mean I will sigh lightly, wished that I could have everything go my way, realise that that is an idiotic way to think about life, buy what I need, and drive on while listening to my own music in like 2 minutes. Loud music is in reality a non-issue even if I dislike it.
@Aldo Horn Respect man.. He was even partying with his girl too, they could've all been dancing drunk around the car instead of a murder scene
9 likes@MultiChantal22 dude the door has their bodies and vitals RIGHT behind it. Idk how you’ve somehow justified body shots as an appropriate way to handle anything but I hope you gain some common sense soon.
32 likes@aiight bet all of them ! Black yellow white green and blue
2 likes@Ray Operator oh you're clowning
27 likes@MultiChantal22 you defending him is sick
20 likes@aiight bet the word you are looking for is “trolling”
0 likes@Ray Operator but u a clown not a troll
39 likes@MultiChantal22 Ok but you’re at the gas station, for, what… 5 minutes roughly? Why couldn’t he just had minded his business for a few minutes while his wife bought wine?
18 likes@MultiChantal22 u r literally defending him💀
13 likes@vigilantassassin RIGHT?! Like, not even Dunn himself had the audacity to suggest those were “warning shots” he was pumping into the SUV, but here little miss “I’m not defending the guy, buuuuuut” is, trying to pass that asinine argument off with a straight face. GIVE. ME. A. BREAK, DAMN.
15 likes@MultiChantal22 You don’t fire your weapon in someone’s direction to “scare” them. If you think that’s appropriate, never own a firearm. You should never even POINT your firearm in someone’s direction unless you are preparing to shoot them, knowing you may be killing them with this action.
21 likesAdditionally, this fool told investigators that he was shooting to save his life. He wasn’t just trying to scare them off because of loud music. The fact this idiot thought any of his self-serving bullshit behavior was okay is abhorrent; the fact you defend those actions is ignorant at best, hateful and entitled at worst.
@MultiChantal22 shooting a car door doesn’t stop a bullet, the fuck? That’s not trying to scare, that’s trying to hit.
7 likesWhat lol
0 likesRoll up your windows, turn up your radio a bit and mind your business.
8 likes@TheDarkCat it's just to "scare them" 😂 or are there really edgelords in here saying that? If so in reality they would just be quiet and say nothing.
2 likes@Rachel Zuppe classless
0 likesI think if Mikey had not been drinking at his son's wedding, this sad case of booze and guns don't mix would not be a matter of public concern
3 likes👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
0 likes@MultiChantal22 lol let me shoot directly at a vehicle to “scare it away” and then continue shooting at the vehicle once he completed that mission. Did he get overzealous and feared the 4 shots that went at the vehicle weren’t enough? One shot straight up would’ve done the trick
2 likes@MultiChantal22 rule #1 to gun handling and safety: never point one at anything you are not willing to absolutely destroy. It’s not a BB gun dude, it’s a deadly weapon.
3 likes@MultiChantal22 i will scare them away with these ten consecutive shots….ok
3 likesSpot on.
1 likeI guess carrying a gun makes you feel superior to others. But yeah it’s only for self defense of course. Bla bla my ass.
0 likesRomulus: confused stares
0 likes@MultiChantal22 too accurate
0 likes@MultiChantal22 U must not be where i’m from😂 And clearly where they were from. depends on how loud it was but i mean i blast my music and nobody complains most people in my area do it’s just how shit is.
1 likeI dunno depends on what was playing... if it was Nikki Minaj crap music they was blasting then that changes everything.....lol I'm only kidding.
1 like@MultiChantal22 theres no law against playing music in ur car lol, simply just try to coexist with people instead of oh idk shooting at them
0 likes@BrentTX87 that doesn’t make sense if he attended on trying to scare them he could of shot away… from the car but he shot at the car smh! Naw he guilty… makes no sense. People will run or flee if gunshots are near. If not carrying a firearm them selfs. He thought of white privilege… it’s simple! Not today my good sir! He didn’t even cared that a person died but only cared about his freedom and dog.
0 likesR.I.P to homie that died and o well to that man in prison!
@MultiChantal22 bullets go through doors? i mean it’s just common sense… if someone’s behind the door the bullets gonna go into them too…
0 likes@MultiChantal22 lmao scare away people with a pocket rocket, yup definitely the smartest move, “I’m going to do what is called a Pro Gamer Move”
0 likes@Aldo Horn lmao if you don’t want to listen to someone else’s music, turn your music up too! Fight fire with fire, not physically or violently please 🤓💀😂
0 likes@MultiChantal22 I'll defend him then. I completely understand the compulsion, and we have laws that let us know what following through with it will do. That wasn't enough to stop him. Anyone who hasn't even slightly considered that course of action is a liar. It would scare people to think that this guy see a fairly average, up until that Rubicon was crossed.
0 likes@MultiChantal22 Scare them by shooting at them? ? Hmm......sure
0 likes@Ryan Rainer Not entirely clear on that point- are you saying that playing music loudly is guaranteed to cause people to snap eventually?
0 likes@Aldo Horn it wasn’t about the music…the attitude “disrespect” set him off. His is NOT the only case where disrespect cause a person to “flip their lid”. I’m NOT defending him. He was wrong…anger management man!
1 like@MultiChantal22 you literally jus defended him
0 likesThe point is we shouldn't have to change our lives in order to not have to listen to crappy music. It's called respect and people like these kids don't have any.
2 likes@MultiChantal22 it scares me that your comment has 27 likes
0 likes@MultiChantal22 you trying to justify the use of a deadly weapon to “scare them” is incomprehensible. You’re taught when learning firearm safety not to point it.. let alone discharge the weapon at anything you’re not 100% willing to destroy. This is the kind of mindset that gets people unnecessarily murdered.
0 likes@Juicy342YT yeah. You learn a lot in your teenage years. Sometimes it gets you an ass whooping, but disrespect alone shouldn’t get you killed.
0 likes@MultiChantal22 He shot directly at the passenger door where a passenger was sitting. A passenger is another person in the vehicle who is not driving, ergo he was indeed shooting directly at them.
1 likeTarfa The Wise • really though .. dude took a second to think and parked somewhere else. Imagine that. Props sir.
0 likes@Ryan Cameron thanks bud!
0 likes@MultiChantal22 Are you dense? Why would you use shooting the car DOOR as an excuse as if there wasn't people inside?! Do you just expect the bullets to dissapear after they hit the car?
3 likes@Zstead one which would explain that maybe this pushed him over the edge. I'm only offering another alternative to everything being racist. I am also trying to tell people to be kind and respectful. This to me is more about "road rage" than anything.
0 likes@Hector Pereda this comment doesn't help prove anything but could encite anger and when the person strikes back are you the victim?
0 likes@VigilantAssassin he isn't trying to defend him just offering alternatives. Intelligent people like a good debate
0 likes@Rachel Zuppe then don't act surprised when they get shot or hurt. You never know where that other person is on the mental scale
0 likes@macy ryan and they couldn't have just turned down their music? It goes both ways.
0 likes@autumn ruis so?
0 likes@TheDarkCat any reasonable person wouldn't shoot at so eone who cut them off, yet happens all the time. You never know what a person's mental state is. They risked it, a kid lost his life.
0 likes@Lux Aeterna they weren't children. They were rude teens acting as if they were all grown and could do what they wanted
0 likes@The Black Sun so wrong. You cannot know his motivation.
0 likes@Nar🏆 weird, it's illegal where I live. See you just don't know the other person.
0 likes@chelsey now that is a racist comment
0 likes@Katherine ND Does that really mean they deserve to die? They’re kids. Kids listen to loud music. It’s inevitable. This is a grown man who decided not to control his racist ass. It’s his fault.
3 likes@Katherine ND If you are someone who handles a gun, you need to learn how to handle a gun. You can’t let your emotions get involved with a lethal weapon. He was not trying to protect himself, he was trying to kill.
4 likes@The Black Sun and, from the USA, show my post where I stated he did not deserve a consequence. The first thing snowflakes sant to point out are their feelings or racism or whatever gets them to their belief. I'm showing there could be alternatives. It upsets their bubble world but we do not know his motivation. Probably never will for 100% certain.
0 likes@macy ryan you cannot prove that. All you can prove is he killed the boy. Again, we don't know what was going in in his mind. You don't know whether or what pushed him to do what he did. He may not know
0 likes@macy ryan if you are someone who is driving, learn how to handle your emotions so there is no road rage. I'd rather err on the side of being kind and respectful than passing someone off. You never know what mental state they are in
0 likes@Katherine ND whole lot of illegal shit is normal where i’m from😂
1 like@Katherine ND Since when were we talking about road rage? Road rage was not a factor in this what so ever? If you’re not in a good mental state, you probably shouldn’t be driving anyway. I’m gathering that you believe that since kids were listening to music, they deserved to die. Sounds pretty irrational if you ask me.
2 likes@Katherine ND Wtf? How do you even have the audacity to justify a grown man killing a kid? Killing anyone at that?
1 like@macy ryan not at all what I said.
0 likes@Nar🏆 🤔😄😄😄😄
0 likes@Katherine ND Tell me that that’s not what you said? Are you kidding?
0 likes@Katherine ND You arguing about this is justifying his actions, is it not?
1 like@UCSS-lS3hIKlzhqevT812hDQ did not say he was mentally ill. Everyone at some point in their life becomes unstable. You are making assumptions from my post. People in general are angrier than they used to be. I would behave with caution. The boys chose not to, they chose to be rude and disrespectful and one died. They have a responsibility in what happened as well. They are not entirely innocent. We all make choices and must live with those choices
0 likes@macy ryan they were not "kids", they were rude, obnoxious teenagers and made choices that contributed to one being killed. That is a fact. I remember when there was not road rage and then it became a thing. When people started carrying guns, road rage became a caution activity.
0 likesIt isn't that the teen deserved to die but their choices played a part in the situation
@Katherine ND they are still kids. Kids will act like kids, they weren’t even 18. This was a grown man, who should’ve known better. It’s sick to justify this man’s actions. He is a murderer and deserves to spend the rest of his life in jail. You’re saying that if you have a mental breakdown or any sort of heightened emotions, you have a right to kill someone? He decided to pull out a LETHAL weapon. That was his choice. We’ve all had mental breaks, but do we all shoot people because of it? No. Learn how to control yourself. Just because I’m upset by some music doesn’t give me the right to end someone’s life. Lmao.
1 like@Katherine ND What if those kids were unstable? And they killed the man? Would you feel the same way as you do now?
1 like@Katherine ND Do you know what a “minor” means? It means a person under the age of 18, in case you didn’t know.
0 likes@Katherine ND Road rage NEVER happened. Watch the video again. They drove in opposite directions. Wtf? You’re delusion dude.
1 like@macy ryan ok. Typical response from someone who lost
0 likes@macy ryan sigh. I can tell you scan posts instead of read them
0 likes@macy ryan I do know what minor means. I agree, they were minors. You didn't say minor. You're one of those that if they cannot win an argument you change the argument.
0 likes@Katherine ND Oh not at all, Katherine. Minors mean KIDS. I don’t understand how you’re not getting this
0 likes@Katherine ND Lost what? You see this as some sort of competition? We’re talking about a kid who was wrongfully murdered and you’re prideful that you “won”? HA
1 like@Katherine ND I didn’t scan your posts. I read all of them. And they are all wrong. You’re the kind of person who seems like they don’t believe victims. You didn’t even respond to everything I said, which means you’re brushing over questions you don’t want to answer.
0 likes@Katherine ND I don’t wanna waste my time with people who have no empathy for victims. You are apart of the problem, Katherine. Justifying the death of minors, kids, whatever you want to call them. Doesn’t matter to me, because guess what? They mean the same thing.
1 like@Katherine ND I’ve responded thoroughly to everything you’ve said so I have no clue what you’re talking about lmao
0 likes@Katherine ND Not once did I change the argument. You made a false claim that they were not kids, and I was correcting you.
0 likes@MultiChantal22 "Not to defend Dunn..." immediately begins defending Dunn
2 likesit goes back to a racial bias…. they didn’t like the music because it was most likely black music
2 likes@amanda p That’s not entirely true. It just probably sucked.
1 like@Rachel Zuppe You don't owe a stranger courtesy??? That's a really shitty attitude.
1 likeAmen
0 likes@MultiChantal22
2 likes"Not directly at them"
>Kills one of them
@Katherine ND So, if the kids were being well behaved, they wouldnt be shot. So it's the victim's fault.
0 likesI want you to sit their mothers down, look in the eyes of the victim's mother, as she cries over her lost child, and say "well, he was having a bad day. And your kids were brats. When you think about it, they deserved to die, acting like they were grown!" I want you to listen to her sob and cry out for her son at night. I want you to tell that to his father as he stares down at his hands, tears in his eyes, wondering if he could have changed something by being there. Blaming himself for his son's death as you tell him "yup, you should have raised him better! If he was docile and polite, he would be alive. He didn't deserve to live, acting like a grown man when he's just a little kid." Then sit down his siblings, his friends, cousins, and all the neighbors and kids in his neighborhood who looked up to him, that he's never coming home, because he's too loud and plays music too much and he got what he deserved, that the bullets riddling the car were right to take his life away as a drunken man asserted lie after lie to save his own hide, trying to slander a child he murdered. Tell his aunts and uncles and grandmas and grandmas that he should have been quiet and he would have lived.
Because that's the world you would rather live in than accept racism exists. Since you want it so bad, go tell them. Tell them how he deserved to die for playing loud music at a gas station. Justify the killer as a man who made a mistake. Do it.
Tell them exactly what you want to be the truth, if you're that convicted in it.
@TheDarkCat those are your words and you're attempting to play to an audience.
0 likesWe could say that about everyone who has died. If only the bartender didn't serve that last drink.....we all have a role in the life we live. I never stated they shooter should not be held accountable. At the same time, we have to recognize that incivility and rudeness have become acceptable. I cannot say why he did what he did just as I cannot say why those boys made their choices. We can guess based on his past actions and statements but then that would still only be a guess. I stand by my statement. They made their choice and a teen died and a man is in jail because of his choice.
@Travis Cassidy say that to a gang leader
0 likes@macy ryan ok. Last time. They were not kids. They were rude and disrespectful teenagers. Did they deserve to be shot at and one losing his life? I never said that. What I said was they made their choices which culminated in a death. The shooter made his choices which culminated in his incarceration. You cannot say with 100% certainty anything else. Not everything is about race. He could be coming from an Era where he expected respect and when they turned the music back up, aggravated the situation, they gambled on a reaction. They got one.
0 likes@macy ryan where did I say he had the right? That's your interpretation of what I said. YOU never know what pushes someone over the edge. We all have the capability to different degrees.
0 likes@macy ryan yep. I would be saying the exact same thing
0 likes@macy ryan wow....it can be compared to road rage
0 likes@macy ryan they made a choice that led to their death....tell me what part of that statement is wrong.
0 likes@macy ryan a minor is a person under the age of full legal responsibility.
0 likes@macy ryan weird. I didn't say that
0 likes@macy ryan and yet you keep posting and responding
0 likes@macy ryan they were not kids.
0 likes@macy ryan 🤣🤣🤣you keep putting words in my post. SHOW me where I stated I didn't care.
0 likesWhy are you assuming the music is crappy?
0 likes@Katherine ND Ok. Last time. Teenagers mean kids. They were not 18. Point blank. You don’t know your basic definitions, obviously.
0 likes@Katherine ND Yeah, a choice to play music. Nobody is obligated to listen to a stranger, especially if it’s as dumb as asking them to turn down their “thug” music. His words, not mine.
0 likes@Katherine ND And your point is? They cannot be tried as adults. They are not fully, legally responsible. You are not and have not made sense at all.
0 likes@Katherine ND I’m posting and responding because it’s hilarious. Hilarious that victim blamers like you exist. You commented to me, I didn’t start this. Don’t start talking if you don’t want to have a conversation. Your actions have led me to keep responding, right? ;)
0 likes@Katherine ND You’re saying they’re not kids, but you are factually incorrect. Google exists for a reason.
0 likes@amanda p Absolutely nothing to do with my post. Don’t make something out of nothing, that’s just immature.
0 likes@Katherine ND I think I see what you’re getting at, but I will disagree because that only works for reasonable expectations.
2 likesIt is not reasonably predictable that turning up your music will result in death, so to suggest that they bear some responsibility is incorrect. They would only bear some responsibility if one could reasonably conclude that gunfire was is a likely outcome (such as if the attacker revealed his firearm, but the victims continued to verbally harass him).
If it wasn’t for his gun and entitlement, they would be alive. If the situation was exactly the same but he had no gun, the likelihood that one of them would die would be incredibly low. This means the blame is squarely on the attacker, not the victims. Their behavior did not cause the death; it was caused by an entitled, immature individual who decided to not only brandish but fire a weapon in a completely non-violent situation.
@HailBones 666 I enjoyed your post. However, I think our world is just angry. A person never expects to be killed in many interactions but we are seeing it more and more. If there had not been a gun, there may still have been a stronger interaction that could have resulted in harm. It is possible even leaving their music down could have resulted in an altercation. I am simply saying they chose to have their music loud which for the man began his downward slide.
0 likesI can tell I'm not saying it so people understand. It's like a car accident - a certain amount of liability is placed on you just because you were there. It's not blame, it just is what it is. The chose not to turn there music down which resulted in one being dead. The man chose not to use alternative behavior and killed them. We cannot say for certain it was racial. Only the man knows for sure.
@macy ryan again, never said obligation. You're reading too much into my comments.
0 likes@macy ryan show me where I said "it is road rage" sigh. Good God, stop reading so much into my comments.
0 likes@macy ryan they are not kids. According to the definition a child or young person leaves much to interpretation. They are teenagers who should have more common sense than a 5 year old.
0 likesIf this had been reversed, I would be saying the same thing. If he had asked them to turn down their music and an argument ensued, then he was shot, I would be saying the same thing.
don't agree, what any normal human does is NOT put the music too loud, it's just rude of course is not a justification for killing the person, that's totally out of line
0 likes@Josefina Marin ok
0 likes@Katherine ND ok
1 like@Laquan As long as am not near a school or housing area, I'mma play twinkle twinkle if I wish…street isn't for made for your peace of mind and meditation.. if you want peace, go home.
0 likes@MultiChantal22 you dont seem to know how shooting works. Bullets don't magically stop at cars door. even if it were warning shots( which is still unacceptable in such situation) he would shoot near them or in air
1 like@Katherine ND You want to blame someone for not cutting him off? His partner. She knew the number of drinks he had. She drove intoxicated to get more alcohol. She knew him better than anyone.
0 likesShe should have cut him off. It's not some faceless bartender's fault this happened.
@TheDarkCat what are you talking about? I think this message has become convoluted
0 likes@TheDarkCat show me where I said equally. I am willing to tell his mother her son and friends made a choice, a decision, which resulted in her son's death. I'm equally willing to tell what's his name's family he made a choice which resulted in his incarceration. They both made a choice. Tell me which fact is incorrect. All these other posts are based on how the reader read it, and put in their unconscious bias. Which tells me about about the person posting.
0 likesJust like the guy that said I posted this was road rage. No, I posted its like road rage. Regardless, ALL of you save one or two has not comprehended my posts. A person never knows another's mentality, their emotional state. I remember a time when a fight resulted in the saying of hands and everyone moved on. People were shocked when a fight ended in a knife fight, or worse, a gun fight. How did we get to this point? I don't know for sure, but we are here and when making choices or decisions, those possibilities should be kept in mind. When someone is on my tail or cuts me off, I let them go. I don't respond because I don't know that they are not carrying a gun.
Having said that, we don't know what the reason for him choosing to shoot. Fear, anger, racism, any number of reasons. In fact, I cannot say that he would not have shot his gun even if they turned the music down. I can't say this any clearer or differently.
@TheDarkCat I think I know where you got the cutting him off from alcohol. I wasn't speaking about him. I speaking in general using that as an example to all decisions. I think it was in response to something but for the life of me, I cannot figure out how these posts don't have subcategories so I can follow.
0 likes@Katherine ND Generalizing murder with non-murder is a bad idea. Taking another person's life is the worst offense you could possibly commit. Not only do you end a life, you severely damage the lives of everyone around them. You shouldn't be "speaking in general using that as an example to all decisions", as word salad as that headache is to read. We're talking about murder here. Death. Not drunk driving resulting in a rear-ended busted car. Intentional homicide. There's nothing worse you can do than take another life. Period.
1 like@Katherine ND I think you should get a hobby that doesn't involve exposing people on the internet to how bad you are at explaining things, since poor you is constantly being misunderstood.
1 likeIf you genuinely can't understand why so many people are mad at what you posted, the problem is likely you.
How many people are you going to brush off as people who don't understand you before you have to admit that it's not everyone else, it's just you? What's the common denominator in all these interactions? It's you. You're obviously very eager to push the blame off on everyone except "one or two" people for just not understanding you.
Or, maybe, just maybe, the majority is right, and something about the words you use and how you use them isn't coming across the way you apparently intend.
@TheDarkCat you don't say :-D
0 likes@TheDarkCat you come across so angry. Tell me what I said that isn't factual. I'm laughing at you because you can't face a truth
0 likesFirst of all this is Jacksonville if you know Florida most of our music is loud we put speakers in cars literally there’s not one side of town u won’t hear loud music
0 likes@Jay Thompson yeah, I don't live there. I live where there is not an abundance of ppl. There are more animals than ppl
0 likes@MultiChantal22 jUsT tO sCaRE tHeM aWAy tho 🤡🤡
0 likes@MultiChantal22 ah yes let’s traumatize a group of kids by killing one of their friends and nearly harming everyone else in the car 😐
1 likethey are kids. they play loud music when hanging out, sure it might be obnoxious but he never had to interject in any way, he made it HIS problem for no reason.
@MultiChantal22 They are teenagers. They do stupid things. I did that when I was a kid and I wasn’t a thug. I sang classical music and played flute in a marching band.
2 likes@MultiChantal22 because as we all know, car doors stop bullets!
0 likes@MultiChantal22 you shoot in the air or ground or anywhere else.. not 8 times in car full of kids..
0 likesIf you wanna be tough you have to face the consequences.
1 like@Juicy342YT call the police cause they playing music ??? I jus think everybody need to mind their business 😂😂 go in the store, get ya stuff and pull off.. real simple
0 likes@Bree Smith if its above a certain amount of decibels its illegal
0 likes@Bree Smith You cannot say what his motive is unless you read minds. But, you have a great day believing you understand everything.
0 likesYeah, let us park on another planet, letting animals do whatever they wish
0 likes@MultiChantal22 people really acting like you're the one who shot at the car huh?
0 likes@MultiChantal22 dam homey, you got slammed and rightfully so. Piece of advice, delete your comment.
0 likesYou do not absolutely do not pull guns to "scare" people , that's someone who should not have a gun , add shooting at the car to scare them is 100 times worse , even if no one was injured or killed he should serve time and never be allowed to possess a firearm again,
0 likesI'm an avid gun enthusiast they need to be respected , a gun only should come out in a case of immediate threat to your life even in that case I'd keep it low until I was 100% sure
@MultiChantal22 lol it’s bothers people that others like there music loud? I’ll keep mines up now
0 likes@MultiChantal22 dude he actually shot at them. He wasn’t trying to scare them away.
0 likes@MultiChantal22 NO ONE DESERVES VIOLENCE OVER MUSIC STOP HAVING A TANTRUM OVER LOUD SOUNDS UNLESS IT'S A NEIGHBOR PARTYING EVERY NIGHT AND EVEN THEN-- CALL THE POLICE. STOP! JUSTIFYING! GUNS!
1 like@Ray Operator These murderers break the law.
0 likesThen act surprised they serve life.
The worst part is he thought he would get away with it. He truly believed the police would side with him. Thank god they did not
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I keep seeing people say “ he really thought he did nothing wrong “. That’s not true .
59 likesThis one guy 100 percent did whatever he wanted and thought the cops would side with him because he was an older white man and they were young black men .
He knew he was wrong
It takes him quite a while to finally realize they aren’t buying his shit too, it would be embarrassing if it wasn’t so sad
13 likesI would side with him
2 likesEven sadder is knowing that in a lot of other jurisdictions, they might have. "You're not allowed to shoot defenseless black kids. That's OUR job."
16 likes@Shakia Korieocha yes.. and..
2 likesAll he had to do was call 911 and Park at a Safe distance and he could of got off with Manslaughter or even less, now he has to listen to Hip Hop in his Cell, thats a Life Sentence in itself.
0 likes@Alexandre Santorini ...and that is bad?
8 likes@Thatguy_Nick no.
3 likes@Alexandre Santorini Why do you think that it isn't bad?
1 likeImagine having a job as awful as having to agree with people like this as they spew the cringe equivalent to nails via chalkboard.
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No
12 likesCool finding you here, hope we meet again in another comment section B) cool videos btw
23 likesIt might be sort of satisfying to agree with them knowing they are full of shit and you are going to disprove everything rhey said
75 likes@Matías Bosques ❤️❤️❤️
9 likes@Duje Radman My family member is a cop and he said that it's incredibly satisfying to get a confession after hours of bullshit. Apparently also just knowing that his story doesn't match up is awesome because you know that you got the right guy.
41 likes@Duje Radman unless youre the lawyer i dont see how they defend shit bags all day
14 likesThe way I see it they get to be the ones who put these people put in prison. That would be great.
2 likesThey love when the suspect blabs. The more the better.
3 likes@demonjmh Money, also everyone has a right to an attorney
0 likes@Ledger Balance oh man I'm loving this!!! After the first 3 shots he was justified in self defense but after that he screwed himself
0 likesYou know what's totally f'd up!!!??? If it was a black man who asked it would have been all good. No more music!!!
0 likesyeah but then u get to tell them u know they're lieing and destroy them
0 likesIt's not the means that they take satisfaction from, but instead the result of putting away someone that has commited a crime. Just like any job, you may not enjoy accounting if you own a business, but you enjoy the net result. It's a means to an end.
0 likes@demonjmh It's very simple, yes you have to defend the guilty, but you want to make sure he gets what he deserves and nothing more. Maybe a murder happened, but the reasoning of the murder is somewhat justified (say, in response to someone being raped by the murder victim). Yes, the man is guilty but you need to have some to argue against the maximum sentence for the crime. In any case, if someone is definitively guilty and manages to walk away, I would absolutely lay the fault at the feet of the prosecution. (Granted there are issues with the wealthy being able to work the system by dragging things on, but there are some new laws that are aiming to put all fees on said wealthy individuals.)
0 likesThere’s a reason why lawyers have an absurdly high suicide rate
0 likes@Mattgeezy sorry, I'm a bit unclear on what you're trying to communicate :( are you saying the black kids would've listened to a black man, and that mike was justified for shooting them in self defense (after shooting at them three times)? I'm genuinely confused and would love elaboration
1 likeI couldn’t imagine they have to act calm no matter how ridiculous the words that come out of his mouth are
0 likesoh hi Brad, I didn’t expect to see you here. Love u bb 🤩🤩
1 likewow, it would appear you have a... Brad taste in YouTube video's
2 likesI don't like them to be honest, they seem to only be there to make your punishment worse but try to make it seem like it'd be better.
1 like@Mr Blister not really
0 likes@ashtar Assadi yeah it is.
0 likes@Mr Blister well thanks for sharing your opinion
1 likeHello Brad!
0 likes@ashtar Assadi and I thank you for sharing yours.
0 likes@ashtar Assadi lmao btw I wasn’t even replying to you it was to the main comment aha.
0 likes@Mr Blister i know
0 likesRiiight? Sheeshhh You couldn't pay me enough
0 likesYoooo what’s up brad (sus)
0 likesomg hi brad
0 likes@Ledger Balance ok
0 likeshi Brad 👋🏻👋🏻
0 likes@Andy Blacksmith mI has been a while since I was a kid named adam doing packout and I was going to be a long time with the bike and I was going to be a long time with the bike and I was going to be a long time with the bike and I was going to be a long time with the bike and I was going to be a long time with the bike and I was going to be a long time with the bike and I was going to be a long time with the bike and I was going to be a long time with the bike and I was going to be a long time with the bike and I was going to be a long time with the bike and I was going to be a long time with the bike and I was going to be a good note Michelle saw me and I was going to be a long time with a lot of people dont want to go to the hospital and I was going to be a long time with the bike and I was going to be a long time with the bike and I was going to be a long time with the bike and I was going to be a long nite of the girls to pile up on the couch for most of the day I think I love u and I love u and I love u so much to do it lol I was going to be a long time with the bike and I was going to be a long time with the bike and I was going to be a long time with the bike and I was going to be a long time with the bike and I was going to be a while back and I was going to be a long time with the bike and I was going to be a long time with the bike and I was going to be a long time with the bike and I was going for a walk and I was going to be a long time with the bike and I was going to be a long time with the bike and I was going to be a long time with the bike and I was going around the store tonite and Sunday I said to me and I was going to be a long time with the bike and I was going to be a long time with the bike and I was going to be a long time with the bike and I was going to be a long time with him but I was going to be a long time with the bike and I was going to be a long time with the bike and I was going to be a long time with the bike and I was going to be a long time with the bike and I was going to be on the couch and single chair and it was a bitch I said to me and I was going to be a long time with the bike and I was going to be a long time with the bike and the new girl susan is a little bit mostly over stock of the girls to pile up on the couch and single chair and it was a good idea to have a good time call leeann...if and I was going to be a long time with the bike and I was going to be a long time with the bike and I was going to be a long time with the bike and I was going to be a long time with the bike and I was going to be a long time with the bike and I was going to be a long time with the bike and I was going to be a long time with the bike and I was going to be a long time with the bike and I was going to be a long time with the bike and I was going to do it for a while back and I was
0 likesThe end result is the reward for the effort. Knowing they're making their bed and they'll have to lay in it later without ever knowing it.
0 likes"Nails via chalkboard" dude why?
0 likesAre you referring to congress?
0 likesThank god I live in Europe and not every racist and stupid person gets a gun
3 likesThis man really says "I'm a victor.. but I'm a victim too!"
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Well those two things aren't necessarily incompatible. In this case, they are but not always
9 likesHe's the victor as in. He won the confrontation. And he thinks he's the victim for "defenending" himself.
3 likes@Willem Gijs yeah we know what it means, but I think he is highlighting it is the most asshole and narcissistic thing to say after murdering someone. It is almost cliche how bad it is.
30 likesDunn Dunn Dunn
1 likeknowing he's never leaving that jail brings me so much joy. He deserves every second he's forced to spend in that jail
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He left the jail...for prison
27 likesI just wish he was younger so he could spend a good 60 years in prison.
13 likes@Chad Bobby yes, yes. i mixed them up 😅
1 like@Muhammad Malik i wish he wouldnt have killed someone but i guess we're working with what we have...
4 likesI actually wish these people weren't allowed to just have guns allowing them to act on these impulses like this.
9 likesIn an ideal world he could have realized he has these issues and worked on them to become a better person in future. Him being stuck in prison is obviously the due process but I don't entirely agree with it. I agree with incarceration for murder but I think a lot of people in prison could be reformed under a better system.
@DankFrank I fully agree! We need better gun control, and better prisons, because as it stands the current “gun control” is pathetic and harms so many people, whereas the current prisons often make people WORSE rather than better. they’re systematized revenge fantasies.
7 likes+ we also need to make it easier for released prisoners to be reintegrated into society. the lack of aid also contributes to re-offenders. honestly, so many bad people nowadays are just a product of their environment, and it’s a shame
@The Sleepy Dot couldnt have said it better myself. 200% agree!
2 likes“ I was the victor but I was the victim too” that’s one of the most horrible things I’ve ever heard..
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So disgusting!
4 likesSpoken like a true narcissist. King of the world and a victim all at the same time
15 likesAll that matters is that he “won” 🙄
@Barbara Manatee Exactly. That is exactly what all narcissists want you to think when they have done something wrong. And it’s disgusting that he uses the word victor. He thinks killing someone is victorious, even if it was in self defense. (It clearly wasn’t but, that’s his claim.)
7 likesDo I need to get a lawyer? This sounds like it could be serious. Yea...you killed someone! Besides being a murderer I don't think this guy could be any more of an idiot. Kudos to Rhonda for doing the right thing.
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@KB That only caries you so far LOL.
0 likes@austininflorida and yet it does...
0 likesI don’t know why people don’t immediately get a lawyer… even if I was involved in the most 100% shut and closed self defense case, I’m talking to my lawyer lmao
4 likesIt’s really telling that when the detective asks him if he shot one-handed or two-handed, he felt the need to demonstrate, and pointed his imaginary gun directly at the black cop, who wasn’t the one to ask him. Every other interrogation I’ve seen where somebody demonstrates a shot they took, they aim at the detective that’s talking to them.
553 likesI’m not saying that this definitely means anything, but Michael looked way too ready to aim at the black detective, in my opinion. I’ve watched this video a few times already, and it shocks me every time he does it.
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Is it possible he moves that way because he was in the driver's seat so it's the way he moved to face the door/window?
42 likesEr, no. He pointed sideways to shoot and that is what he demonstrated.
25 likesJack, I can’t find the spot that you’re referring to, but it would make absolute sense for him to turn toward his left to reenact his actions. The other car was to his left and so he was shooting to his left.
12 likesBut you seem to be reading much more into it.
I never even noticed that, good eye. We can't know what his intentions were, but it certainly fits in with what we know of him.
13 likesU have it wrong
2 likes@R D 29:35
19 likesAlso he is obviously doing that to demonstrate the motion he used when he fired out of the driver’s seat of his car, not to awkwardly aim at the black cop lol
He this is definitely not it just a stupid thought of yours
4 likesGood point
1 likeI thought you were exaggerating until I saw this part. It really is just immediately, no hesitation, right at the black detective
8 likesNo, he re-enacts it using the correct angle and direction, you are looking at something a tad to deeply
8 likesGood observation I didn’t think of that. However it’s also quite possible he was trying to re-enact the direction of the scene. But his lack of regard for black people in general, did show subconsciously by pointing the gun towards the black detective.
6 likesI thought so too! He aimed at him real quick.
1 likeNot everyone in the replies trying to prove that he wasn’t being racist /this time/ 😵💫
5 likesCool observation
0 likesit's likely that the black cop is sat closer so it would appear easier to demonstrate using him as the target.
1 likeIt is beyond me how guilty people agree to an interview/interrogation without a lawyer present.. Even if I were not guilty I would want a lawyer present! Although, I’m not the least bit angry that these criminals open their mouths and expose themselves for their horrendous crimes
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I think it's the narcissistic personality. "If i were to get a lawyer, it would look as though I feel I need to protect myself as if I'm guilty. But, if I give my side of the story, I'll appear confident in my innocence and they'll believe me." It's the calculated thought that they're smarter than anyone else in the room.
3 likesThe actually smart approach is realizing that not one damn thing you say in an interrogation is going to "save" you. The police aren't the people that decide your culpability; the judge and jury do that. As such, you would need to understand that the situation is no longer about whether what you did was "right" or "wrong", but about how your attorney can frame the evidence.
Not that I agree with that. Dumbass narcissistic racist assholes should absolutely spill their guts to the police. It makes the trial easier. But whether you're guilty or not, talking to the police will only make the situation worse.
He thinks that he did the white, I mean, right thing. 😒
4 likesLearned you only got the right for a supevention solicitor when you arrested not during a "talking session"
0 likesThey want to get their side of the story out. They think being cooperative and twisting the narrative will allow themselves to be seen as innocent and in a positive light. They think that refusing to cooperate without a lawyer present will make them appear guilty.
0 likesHe’s clearly confused why the Justice system isn’t just blindly defending him
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He must not have got his white privilege card in the mail yet.
2 likes@Patrick Baklava 😂
1 like@Patrick Baklava should have had Amazon prime 😂
2 likesThis happened within minutes of leaving his Son’s wedding. Not an excuse, but he was most likely drunk-drunk and had no business handling a weapon at all. It’s fucking terrible that boy was killed and I’m glad he got locked up. Imagine if he and his wife didn’t give interviews and brought a lawyer? It’s likely this murderer would be walking around.
33 likesAs soon as she mentioned that he said he hates “that thug music” it was obvious that this was gonna be at least partially racially motivated
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In this case, as well as in the Michael Drejka case, it all starts with this class of people who think that they are entitled to break the law.
2 likesin the Michael Drejka case, it was the selfish woman who parked illegally (in a handicapped spot), and in this case, the thugs blasting music in close proximity of others trying to enjoy their own lives, but cannot, due to these people who have NO place in civilized society. And, when others try to defend themselves, or try to ask the miscreants to stop breaking the law (i.e. illegal parking, illegal noise violation), they are the ones who end up in prison. Society in these here United States of America, has become unbearable over time, due to this unfortunate evolution of society into one where one particular class of people makes life miserable for others
@Timmy Vawwter bro u can’t be serious. Everyone blasts music. Ur a brick.
6 likes@Timmy Vawwter You’re over here defending murderers, not just 1 but 2. Impressive. Next time your music is a little too loud I pray you come across someone else who thinks like you.
6 likes@Timmy Vawwter not only are you flying to the defense of two white men who murdered unarmed people, you are also failing to understand that these people (that being this class of white middle aged men who believe that they have this self imposed responsibility to uphold the law) are people who have the assumption that just because they have a gun in their hands, they have the lawful right to start firing. This man killed an innocent boy playing music with his friends, and you think that because he had it turned up loud that he deserved to die?
6 likesI in NO WAY agree with this dude as far as any actions he took bc I have been that 17 year old loud mouth kid more times than I can count.
4 likesBut the crazy thing is, I really think this dude is so in love with his own self and the only way of the “right life” is his lifestyle-but he genuinely thinks he is justified in this.!! It’s crazy.
He can’t see any other perspective other than his own.
And not to make it political or create any issues with saying this, but it feels like Mikey here just might be a tad bit racist along with just generally feeling like he is better than everyone else that can’t stay in an upscale 5 star hotel whenever they want.
Imagine being so annoyed with loud music you just start shooting wildly? WTF? You're gonna be there for 5 or 10 minutes at most. It's a temporary annoyance not worth throwing your life away.
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Exactly.
0 likesI think you're completely misreading it. The guy had likely been looking for some cause to use the gun since he bought it. Not every gun owner is like that (I'm an owner of multiple guns). But there's definitely a subset that don't just want a gun for sport or as a last ditch effort to defend themselves, but instead really want the opportunity to kill someone with it. He thought he had the perfect opportunity to do it and get away with it, given Florida's stupid Stand Your Ground law.
0 likesThis is a lesson to everyone in any situation. In a country where gun ownership is prevalent and anyone could be reaching for a gun at any time with such ease, it pays to be wary of strangers and your interaction with them. Whether you like someone or not, it pays to be respectful and considerate. Witness 7 said he didn't want to deal with the loud music - he was the smartest one as he read a situation as potentially risky and chose to avoid it.
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In a land of a gun you may be respectful and shut your loud music down . Not everyone wants to deal your hangars shit . Not everyone will pass away just because you are loud.
0 likesLater knowledge about Dunn revealed that he lived for confrontation, especially when drunk. Michael Dunn met that Michael Dunn finally and destroyed himself. Pathetic.
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You said it best. Plain and simple.
3 likesIt's ridiculous to see the measures people go through to lie. I appreciated Rhonda's honesty, I could see how it hurt her to go against her fiance's words but she knew it wasn't just a little white lie, it's serious. It's murder, she knew how stupid it was to escalate a situation that could've been ignored. All of the words that came out of his mouth were so uncaring, inhumane, and overall pathetic. To keep lying, to act to appeal to the jury, and to put lies into a dead person's mouth that obviously can't defend himself.
3 likesIt's quite amazing the way Mike Dunn continued to push this narrative of him being 'afraid for his life' and 'more scared than he'd ever been in his entire life' throughout the entire investigation in regards to his personal issue with "loud music"...or as his fiancé disclosed, "thug music," because in his mind he really thought the cops or the jury would empathize with him. He didn't show any remorse despite him already being known during these interviews to be the one responsible for one young person's death and others' permanent trauma and loss.
0 likes“Strange town in a strange area.” For context, that particular gas station on Bay Meadows is surrounded by golf courses and high income exclusive neighborhoods and luxury apartments. This ain’t Emerson Blvd. My in-laws live just around the corner in a HUGE house in a VERY NICE neighborhood. This dude wasn’t anywhere near Jacksonville’s “hood.” This is an entitled rich boy drunk on alcohol
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32 likes“I’ve never been so scared in my life.” He says with a tone of voice sounding like he’s reading off the terms and conditions.
First time I laid eyes on the young people from the victim' s car and I know what that monster meant by " they're violent" . Murder murder bloody murder! I hope the inmates know how to deal with him!
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I can not BELIEVE that monster actually said " live and let live" during his whole act !
0 likesI could see, in the courtroom, that Rhonda was devastated. What a terrible state she must have been through because of this horrific being.
1 likeThis is a great example to propel these wise words. “Never Talk to the Police”
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Well he did and he’s DONE! Checkmate ✔️
1 likeMy poor heart breaks for Ms Rhonda. She is such a wonderful human with a big heart. I truly hope she heals from all this and finds peace.
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My heart goes out to the victims … the teenagers that survived and the teenager that murdered in cold blood
0 likesRhonda could have easily lied, and changed the whole trial, but she didn't. That means she places 'Right' above all else, a very rare human trait these days. I'm glad he paid for killing that poor kid. Truth is, his Rum and Cokes had made him into Rambo that day and his bullying people to turn off their music was already a well worn routine for him. That might he met his match, but sadly the Rum had done its job on Dunn and we know the rest. RIP Jordan and props to Tommie for getting them out of what could have been an even worse situation.
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So basic human decency is supposed to be rewarded now?
0 likesU know it’s illegal to lie on the stand right?
I mean the kid died I doubt he would get off Scot free
I am not an English native speaker and after watching this video many times I translated online „victor“ and this made me think about this case way more negative with respect to Mike. The way of thinking about this issue of being the winner of a fight makes him not stand in a good lighting.
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Your completely right. Also we dont often use victor like this, he thought he was being clever, and was very proud of himself.
1 like@Altus Show Ahhhh….. makes this even more interesting and makes it more aware for him. I mean he states all happened by accident but there are shining more and more issues through that he was seemingly more aware of what he has done (is doing) . More being an hero in Die Hard Part. X than being within an accident, dealing the wrong way within splitseconds. So thanks for your comment and the clarification regarding the every-day-life usage of his wording ;)
0 likesThis case was chilling,That last silent cut to that mugshot gave me cold chills down my spine.
1 likerhonda: i heard your mom is gonna send you a book,,, that’s nice
14 likesmike: okay but i was the victim of the murder i committed
Getting out the danger zone is totally fine. No one can fault you for that. Your number one goal though, in that situation, is to be the first on the horn with the cops...assuming you are innocent lol! The first to call is gonna be seen as the least likely suspect.
0 likesPoor choices, the self Centered guy tying the life so so many including the woman he loves. What an amazing woman Rhonda is for standing up for the truth, I pray that she’s moved on from this and found someone better. This guy is so selfish and has no emotions for any other life. Condolences to the family and victims involved.
2 likesI understand being aggravated by loud music and maybe even confronting someone but an argument is where I draw the line. But this guy is crazy
1 likeLife is so much easier when you don't commit crimes.
6 likesHorrible what's happened to the recent videos on the channel, YouTube is so unreasonable. Hope you can make the channel sustainable again <3
3 likesI can't believe he thought that everybody would believe him and not the multiple witnesses.
1 likeIn my opinion, Michael Dunn is definitely a racist thug! When I heard his phone call to Rhonda from the jail saying he was the victor and also the victim made me beyond repulsed.
29 likesShoutout to Rhonda for being an incredible human being and despite being his significant other, she still told the truth and has morals. Oh, and she isn’t racist like Mr. Dunn here. I bet he loved being questioned by another “thug” like he calls those young boys just being teenagers. Tell me running to 711 or making runs to the store as a teenager while listening to your music and living in the moment wasn’t a part of your daily life?
6 likesMy heart goes out to the parents of this young Man. SMH
2 likesI just can’t get over the fact that he shot 10 times and killed a kid…over music. They were only at the gas station for minutes and the car with the music was leaving so I don’t see why the appropriate reaction would be to shoot at a car 10 times.
4 likes“i shot at the door”
2 likes“what was the purpose of that?”
“to safe my life..?”
“from the door?”
He's upset when he talks about his fiancé while on the stand yet shows absolutely no emotion when she's clearly extremely upset and distressed giving her testimony.
2 likesHaven’t finished this video yet but:
7 likesTo say he’s unremorseful at the news of hearing there was no weapon in the car, in my opinion, is too definite. We don’t know if he was in shock, him processing, or even him wondering if it’s an investigative tactic (or a number of other things I’m not thinking of).
To say he thinks or believes this or that is mucky at this point in the interview.
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I hope you've finished the video since you made the comment. Because it becomes very clear he never felt any remorse.
2 likesPoor sweet Rhonda. She’s so strong and brave
4 likesI had the same kind of young brats pull up next to me when I was filling up at a gas station. I looked over at the car and all 👀 eyeballs were looking at me. Kind of like what are you going to do about it? I smelled trouble with them so I left.
0 likesSome would say that I am a coward but I think I'm more of a free coward. In the past I didn't leave and I ended up spending that night in jail and getting five more months in jail and losing at lest $38,000 So yeah I learn to walk away from it you gain nothing if you don't
Was he 45 when it happened? I thought he was in his 60s. He looks old and miserable
7 likesIf he was so afraid, why then did he confront them in the first place?
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The gun in the glove compartment and rum and cokes in his system made him "brave". What a stupid man. Surely, he could have just moved to another parking spot.
0 likesHe wanted an excuse to kill a black teenager so he made it happen by provoking. The “thug music” was his excuse to get confrontational.
0 likesthat woman is so sweet and lovely... its just another injustice she ended up with such a garbage racist
2 likesThis guy really thought he could just walk in and say he "feared for his life" and walk right out
0 likesI know everyone is tired of hearing about race issues, but it's hard to watch this and not think that this guy probably imagined he could get out of this because he was white and because the big scary black men made him "fear for his life".
4 likesEdit: I had a different interpretation of Michael getting upset on the stand when asked about his fiancé and his dog. During this point (start around 53:10) he is asked about his fiancé and gives a reply. However, he is more upset when asked if they were living together at the time. Then he regains some composure, but when they begin talking about the dog he gets upset again. The way it goes is he is asked the dog's name. Likely picturing his adorable puppy, Michael smiles quickly, before struggling to get the dog's name out of his mouth. At this point I think he knows he is going away, likely for more than a decade. So when he thinks about living at his house or thinks about his dog, I think he was remembering how much simpler and happier everything was before the incident. I think he also imagined what his life would be like had that incident never happened. Now all of that is gone forever. Likely would make anyone feel sad. Unfortunately, he didn't seem to have a shred of empathy for the boy (Jordan Davis) he killed, the Jordan's family, or Jordan's friends who were likely scarred for life from this incident.
Can we start with the fact that there’s no way in hell I’d ask someone to turn the music down in THEIR car?! If he would’ve minded his business none of that would’ve happened.
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especially because it’s not like they’re blasting it in your neighborhood. it’s not like this is something a neighbor was doing to him everyday, making him lose sleep or something. you’re at a gas station. if someone is annoying you at the gas station, leave. no one is forcing you to be there
0 likesAstonishing. In the Netherlands we do not carry weapons on the street. When you hear stories like this, how can you maintain that it's a good idea if every crazy person can carry a gun?
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It’s wild right? I’m Canadian and live within 100 km of the US border and the difference in “gun culture” is astonishing when you consider how geographically close Canada and the US are. I will never understand why Americans are (in some cases LITERALLY) willing to die on the “gun rights” hill. A lot of Americans don’t understand that their obsession with firearms is the exception and not the rule.
1 likeThe media loves to focus on terrible cases like this one in the video, but they rarely mention the overwhelmingly more common LEGITIMATE gun uses.
1 likeYou non Americans don't understand that individual freedom and the concept of natural rights are the very foundation upon which our country was built.
Forget the media for a minute and consider this, in the usa there are approximately 30 thousand "gun deaths" annually. Half of those are suicide. The majority of the other half are police/gang related. Very few shootings fall into the categories the media LOVES to promote.
Conversely, firearms are used DEFENSIVELY at a minimum of 500 thousand times annually. Some stats put defensive gun uses at about 1.5 million annually.
The fact is, like it or not, privately held arms in the usa save FAR more innocent lives than they take.
All that having been said, the guy in this video was a shitbag and was definitely in the wrong. I'm glad he's rotting in jail.
But do your criminals carry guns? We carry to protect ourselves from real criminals. Once they can take away guns from criminals, I will gladly give up mine.
0 likesHowever, this guy was not under threat. What he did was over react and he committed murder.
@aceman1126 That's fair enough; the media has a huge effect on how non-Americans view the US. I could definitely use a more diverse media diet for sure. I'm happy for any suggestions you have!
0 likesI do take issue with "[y]ou non Americans don't understand that individual freedom and the concept of natural rights are the very foundation upon which our country was built." America, like Canada and the Netherlands, was founded on the IDEALS of freedom and natural rights but today those ideals are rarely applied. Plenty of countries fought revolutions against their colonial masters and/or absolute monarchies so it isn't unique to the USA. American Exceptionalism (the belief that most Americans hold that the USA is fundamentally different from any other country in the world) is EXHAUSTING. Also the US was founded on natural rights? For who? White people? At the end of the American Revolution, Black folx were still enslaved, the US government was determined push further west even if it meant displacing and murdering Indigenous people, and women coudn't vote.. Now, to be clear, I'm not suggesting that Canada and the Netherlands are innocent. What Canada did to our Indigenous people is, in my opinion, way worse than what the US did. Not to mention that the Netherlands helped set up the Apartheid system in South Africa. It's okay that you country has flaws, all do.
I hope you're doing well and are looking forward to a relaxing weekend! :) Stay safe out there!
@Patti Peters I see where you're coming from but I wonder if having guns only makes people FEEL safe as opposed to actually increasing safety. Also, I would say that- at least here in Canada, I can't speak for the Netherlands- fewer criminals have guns. Unfortunately, I have been the victim of a violent crime and, in my experience, most attacked with knives. Hope you're having a nice Wednesday! :)
0 likes@nolanone what I was getting at was that we codified our natural right and officially acknowledged that said rights apply to all people and are given by God himself and no man or government is supposed to trample on or violate those rights.
0 likesWhat we call the bill of rights isn't what is commonly thought to be a list of rights granted to subjects by their government like a lot of other countries have, rather it is a list of what the government ISN'T allowed to do.
Sure, in the past we messed up and made mistakes like everyone does, however what makes us unique is the cost we collectively paid and continue to pay to ensure those rights are respected and applied to EVERYONE.
It took a while of course but a lot of people here and globally like to shit on the USA for past wrongs and ignore the unprecedented cost in money and blood it too to try and fix the problem. They also seem to conveniently forget that the entire world has been involved in the slave trade and systemic genocide of unwanted peoples, yet the usa is particularly attacked on this front.
Hell, there's more people in slaved today that in the height of the African slave trading days of early America and rarely do people mention it. I proudly support organizations that currently fight slavery across the globe.
And I agree american exceptionalism is annoying to a degree and a lot of ignorant people screech about it, but the reality is that america as a whole despite its flaws has done VASTLY more good than bad. Never has a single country helped more people, ended more poverty, and ensured global stability than the US.
I dont agree with a lot of what we've done in the past or in the present but all in all we're a shit ton better than any other global superpower and the small countries (especially in europe) that a lot of people seem to love and think can do no wrong could ONLY exist in their current form due to USA policies and aid.
So yeah, I think we still kick ass but we also always have work to do.
Don't mean to rant, just intend to express a viewpoint that is often overlooked these days.
@aceman1126 No worries about ranting! I didn't know that about the Bill of Rights! I found your comment interesting and it provides, as you said, an often looked-over viewpoint :)
0 likesI think the reason a lot of non-American bring the USA to task on human rights is because of American Exceptionalism. Since the (some parts of the) US government and some of its citizens insist on the exceptioanlism narrative. Also, people love an underdog story and the USA is anything but (though, admittedly, the USA certainly started as an underdog in the beginning). You're right that other countries get a "get out of geonocide" free card, both from its own citizens and/or from the international community. I think my country, Canada, and my fellow Canadians LOVE to ignore our past atrocities (residential schools, Ukrainian & Japanese internment, the Chinese Head Tax, slavery, fighting/supporting wars of aggression.) And let's not even start with the British & French.
I don't know if America has done more good than bad but I do know that most Americans are good people. I have greatly enjoyed my vacations in the USA; people are always friendly and welcoming. I live close to the NY/Ontario border and go over to shop all the time.
Hope you're well friend!
His complete lack of concern or remorse for Jordan losing his life really seals the deal guilt-wise.
2 likes29:25 I like how the cop says "I can't shoot people if in my mind they have a weapon", if only that was an universal truth.
1 likepolice: you’re being charged with murder and attempted murder
3 likesmichael: …that sucks
DECEPTION 100
That poor kid. Just 17...when i was 17, my friends and i would pile into the jeep for a .5mile trip to the McDonald's stoned af ...any of us coulve just been caught in that EXACT position. Drunken, murder fueled by haye and racism....its just so so sad :(
5 likesthe explanation of how the cops are interviewing him to make him "not get a lawyer" is a bit disturbing, everyone should get a lawyer every time, it's your right - do it.
0 likesANYONE ELSE THINK THAT HE HAD MISTEATED RHONDA IN THE PAST & SHE USED THE OPPORTUNITY TO TELL THE TRUTH & HAVE HIM SENT UP THE RIVER!!
2 likesIt'd be great to get a reaction video from these people watching these videos lol , the criminals, have their jail buddies all sit around and watch with em lol.
0 likesI, myself, hate loud music especially when people do it on purpose. But I don't shoot them. This guy has serious anger and self entitlement issues
2 likesI live in duval county, so hearing him say all these familiar places and locations gives me chills.
0 likesGiven that this was racially motivated, I’m surprised this wasn’t higher profile in the media.
1 likeThere’s no, “thanks for watching” or “be sure to like and subscribe”
4 likesJust a chilling photo and the sentence. Fucking cold
If it wasn't so tragic, it would be hilarious how this guy thought he was reliving a scene in Taxi Driver
0 likes@jcs as much as your channel were being f up by YouTube, I really hope if they took down your channel, you will create another one because you will always have our continuous support.
1 like"live and let live" okay, so you practice that by killing?
6 likesMan I’m gonna miss JCS. I don’t understand how and why YT is going after this channel
2 likes43:11 "Save my life"... Detective: "From the door? " 🤣🤣 That comeback was gold. Spilled my coffee.
0 likesIf I lived in America with all those trigger-happy cowboys I would be too scared to say boo to anyone! A child lost his life for no good reason! RIP. Perpetrator has a long time to reflect on what he's done!
0 likesdisgusting. clearly this man had something against these boys for more than just their music. Calling them thugs, yet he’s the only armed and dangerous one.
1 likeI love how the witness was like, yeah i just didnt park near it hahaha
2 likesthe whole made up conversation that he suddenly "remembers" at the trial at the end is actually hilarious. "This shit is going to go down" "you're not gonna kill me, bitch" you couldn't have come up with something better than that?
1 likeThis video is so increadibly Well done.
2 likes28:54 I wish cops thought that way when they deal with civilians that drive off instead of shooting them like MD did…
2 likesThe fucked up part about this? The officers are doing a good job of calling it, but, there's no doubt in my mind the suspect thought "Oh, it's some black kids, doesn't matter if I kill them, it's get away with it." I'm glad the officers kept sticking it to him. Disgusting bastard...
1 like41:36 later and i'm still waiting for him to say sorry for killing a teenager... Such a heartless monster :/
2 likes46 min later no remorse apart of nogging his head, like unconsciously, even his inner self know its not looking good... Wtf is going wrong with you people???
52:27 Fake cry xD
So apparently listening to rap music loud makes you a thug but actually opening up and firing on a car full of kids is “self defense.” Yeah aight.
1 likeAs a Floridian, it's still mind blowing to me the percentage of cases that come out of this state
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Florida is it’s own planet.
1 likeI lived a few blocks away from this and went to that gate all the time. There always seemed to be a tense vibe there
1 likelegend says he still fears for his life and sees shotguns hanging on trees
1 likeIf guns were banned, all he could’ve done is got into a fistfight with the kids. Like in my country. Unregulated guns means you’re asking for crimes like this.
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Proof?
0 likesHow can a man fully aware that he is carrying a gun feel his life is in danger. That does not make any sense.
4 likesNarcissists can convince themselves that they’re the victim, no matter the circumstances. The beginning recording of their conversation tells you that he truly believes he is the victim.
88 likesWhat a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive, clearly guilty, clearly a hotheaded moment complicated with alcohol
0 likesIt’s crazy cuz it’s not far fetched to assume so many of the assumptions the guy made before shooting were super racially motivated
0 likes‘To Save my life’
1 likeDetective: “From the door??”
For all the time it would have taken Rhonda to get the water, he couldnt just sit through the loud music?? She was literally at the counter. Another younk kid dies for no reason. I cant believe he sat talking on that phone saying those young boys attacked him....they wldnt have had any time to get back into the god damn car if he was shooting at the from outside thier car
4 likesWatching that one detective put his head in hands like he’s frustrated with all his bs lmao
1 likeWitness 7 with most logical epic statement ever.. "Heard the loud music, didn't wanna deal with it!"
1 like"There was no mention of a shotgun?" - "No."
0 likes"There was no mention of a barrell?" - "No."
..sooo basically thats a "yes" to that there was a shotgun and a barrell :D
17:00 These gun club guys so eager to pull their pistol on a real target, not trying to put all the eggs in the same basket but damn this is a rotten one.
1 likeThis is why I get so annoyed when television police open their cars doors to use as a bullet shield.
0 likesThis is the problem with the free availability of hand guns in U.S.A. if this guy hadnt a gun he would have had to chew his steering wheel for a few minutes and drive up the road ranting to his wife about the black kids and that would have been the end of it.
1 likeInteresting that one of the lawyers sounds EXACTLY like Kevin Costner in 'JFK'. Lol!
0 likes1:35 this moment when he affirms to be attacked says all
0 likesI'm the victor and I'm the victim too - That aged well The only victor is the guy who sold the amunition, made a buck or two out of it. Everybody else loose.
1 likeSoftware developer jobs can apparently drive people mad.
1 likeHe should of asked for his lawyer no matter if it's murder or a seat belt ticket , I believe he assumed they had guns didn't see. A gun. And he shoot a bunch of times. He shouldn't of said nothing to them would of solved everything. Nuff said
0 likes"Excuse me, fine gentlemen. Are you saying that you're going to kill me?"
1 likeWow. How horrible. Michael Dunn has an uncontrollable temper. He was at fault
0 likesI think he felt threatened because they were black and he had preconseived ideas about them.
2 likesMakes me think of the Michael Douglas film "Falling Down". Mild mannered guy who is just having a bad day and SNAPS! That or Michael Dunn REALLY didn't like the Durango's music. There's a moral to this story... It's unacceptable to shoot someone for playing their music too loud and flip-side, if someone asks you to turn the jams down, he may shoot you if you don't.
0 likes"Yes sir, fluid motion" new favorite, quote.
0 likesHe could have just shot in the air, or not shot at all. Just pulling the gun would scare the people away. All over music? The guy is guilty. His excuses are crap. He doesn't seem bothered that someone is dead.. poor him.
2 likesI bet michael did the "Are you talking to me? HUH??!! ARE YOU TALKING TO ME??!!" alot in front of a mirror.😂😂
1 likeKeep re-watching cause I need JCS videos
1 likeIronic He became the thing he supposed hated “ a thug”
0 likeswhy is the interview of Rhonda blurred but not the security tapes? Or during the witness statements?
1 likeHe probably could've gotten way less, if anything if he had just stfu and got a lawyer. I'm not defending him & he got what he deserved. But the main theme in all these interrogations are that fact if the assailant never spoke to police, they probably could have gotten off.
0 likesThis is one of these cases that make me so conflicted. I can actually understand how this guy feels and why did he do what he did. I get triggered by loud people hitting my ears with their hard bass songs too. I also get adrenaline rush and immediately go into self defense mode when a gang of hoodies starts talking about me in a hostile manner. If I actually heard them say outloud that I'm gonna die I don't know what I would do. I'd be seriously scared for my life too, that's for certain. I know this guy should've just drove some distance away, wait for his gf and get out, not freakin shoot on sight... especially after the car moved and all... I know he weirdly has no remorse, and I know he did a bad thing by not calling police and all. He deserves jail for sure. But those kinds of gangs that make casual life threats without any consequences is cancer of the night life, and they can't be justified either. The guy who got killed never should've been there in such company.
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They didn’t make any life threats. This dude was just pissed off because someone he felt was inferior to him was disrespecting him, so thought “I’ll show them” and it got out of hand. I’m sure this dude fantasized about being present during a Robert or something where he could pull out his gun and be the hero.
0 likesAll the evidence points towards the black kids not making any life threats. This guy clearly made it up to justify killing teenagers out of racist petty rage. The guy who got killed was in the company of friends who wanted to listen to loud music. And gang of hoodies? You sound like you need to get some biases sorted out.
0 likesThe guy sounds like a 30 year alcoholic...diminished capacity..
8 likesHey I'm just wondering... isn't failure to report a crime, a crime in itself? If Rhonda Rouer knew what had happened (and it's fairly clear she had figured it out), she could've been charged as well, couldn't she?
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My opinion is that she was scared of Michael. He has a history of being abusive in his relationships.
2 likesI have to say when the detective started his whole line of questioning and confrontation related to "I can't shoot someone because in my mind they have a gun," I kind of lost it. It's like talking to a 5 year old lol
0 likesHe's swcewed, I have not even seen all the video but I know he's gone and found guilty. I don't like music loud but I ant pulling no gun unless I believe my life is in danger and the black man had to have been in the car because he was trying to kill them all and I'm white. No that's not justified and if his lawyer can beat this case, he got a good lawyer. Some people just don't need a gun because they get to thinking nobody can say nothing to me because I have a gun. Hes swcewed if they didn't have no gun and he shot the wrong person, that's taking a 17 year old life and u shot all ur bullets and they were trying to get away. He was trying to provoking them because I know they would not say nothing if a gun comes out. I don't believe a damn word about them saying killem. Nobody tells you they are going to kill you because if he didn't see a gun he's lien because he shot more than 9. Return fire, they never shot and he better hope they have a gun. Who cares about what u did and brag about gun skills, u must have not been to good because they seem like they practiced what they were going to say, this is why u don't talk until you have a lawyer because ur going to prison because if u can kill someone else and act like it was nothing, you don't leave the scene because it makes you guilty. He could have went down the road and called the police. He was hoping nobody saw his plate, u never say nothing unless you knew u had something to kill with and I know 💯 percent he would have said nothing without that gun, he's really doomb because nobody had a gun and he can't even say self defense. They had to get away from him and if ur trying to get away, u can't shoot nobody In the back, even In the cowboy days u would be hung if u shot someone in the back because u were called a coward if u did. He is talking nonsense. I would have been crying because I killed someone who had no way to defend himself and he doesn't care and he's not worried about the kid he killed, he's keeps saying I don't want to go to jail, they don't want to hear that
0 likes"IM the victim"
1 like"THEY attacked ME"
bruh🤨
Around 15:00 "Im like live and let live and yknow" YEAH WHAT DO I KNOW MICHAEL? I THINK U FAILED ON THAT ASPECT OF THAT SENTIMENT
1 likeAm I the only one who thinks this man wanted to shoot someone one day? I think that because of how proud he is about being educated on how to shoot guns!
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a lot of these cases, where it was a simple argument over something like a parking spot, or loud music like this one-it always seems like these people are just looking for an excuse to take matters into their own hands. itchy trigger fingers
2 likesWell the future wife does not get to see or sit in the court room because she just said he doesn't say anything about a weapon, how they didn't get together and say this is what u say, because she left him and she would either testify for the DA or be charged as well and they all ready told her to say he never told u about a weapon, that's the first thing they asked because it made him look like a lier and he just made a bad decision and he has to pay for it
0 likesThis dude is 45? Did they mean 55?
3 likespeople who get triggered to easy and guns for sale to nearly all, welcome to america
3 likesThis must have been out of character for him. I, for one, have never met an arrogant soft developer :‑J
0 likesRhonda did a good thing. But Jordan Davis was gunner down by her wild, out of control husband for no reason. He was just a kid.
0 likesMan that was deep 😯
0 likesThink they both drunk is why eager to get out of there and not call cops that night. She was there for more wine.
1 likethe ear bite off reference is a call back to Tyson holyfield, which was weird thing outside of race 🤔
0 likesDoes anybody else feel bad for Rhonda as well as the teenagers
0 likesWhy does he even feel entitled to try to control other people? Narcissistic and racist. Smh I heard “thug” and cringed like I always do. My goodness and him trying to reason with the interrogators through his stereotypes is disgusting smh. Another innocent black life gone because of a racist person’s ignorance and arrogance. And the trauma that his friends experienced from a random act of violence. RIP Jordan. You didn’t deserve that at all. Such a horrible tragedy. And I hope your friends and family find peace.
1 like24:31 My dog whenever I throw any object at all anywhere.
0 likesMichael: "I did this coz I feared for my wife's safety . She is everything to me"
1 likeRhonda: "guilty!"
"live and let live" is sort of ironic here, no?
1 likeWhat a monster
2 likesShe is such a sweet lady...
0 likesWait sticks have barrels now?
3 likesI put forth that he's not the victor.
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Far from it!
1 likeFree Mike so he can get Dunn💯 👁4️⃣👁
0 likesHis smug expression when he says "fluid motion" 🤢. The interrogators do a great job.
47 likes"What was the purpose of that?"
"To save my life."
"From the door?"
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The door was agitated! It had a shotgun....or maybe a stick, either way I thought I was dead. 😂
3 likesWho are these people who initiate violence and then plead for self-defense? What is that?
0 likesSNUFFALUFFAGUS!!!!! .......🙊 sorry, I got a little too excited when I finally realized who he sounds like. How's Big Bird, Snuffy??? 🐥
0 likesKnows that his phone calls are recorded so keeps insisting on his “innocence” and his “victim” status. Shameful. “Do I need a lawyer? It sounds like I’m in deep $hit.” Well, the guy you shot is in deep dirt, but you’re not thinking of him much are ya?
54 likesMy tutor is called Michael Dunn.....🤣funny coincidence
0 likesDamn, people just need to learn some courtesy.
0 likesJiminal Crustice System lmao
2 likesAbsolutely no remorse.
0 likesWatching these now since a bunch of JCS vids have been taken down.
0 likesWat he really said was ( YOU AIN'T GONNA SHOOT ME YOU S.O.B. PILGRIM 😀 ) OOPS ; MAYBE THAT WAS THE DUKE ; john wayne 😳
0 likesAhh... so many times I've heard the Global Tel Link prompt.
0 likes"I didn't know I was being charged with murder and attempted murder. That sucks."
5 likesNever go full GOP/ trumpy
2 likesRe-watching this before YouTube takes it down.
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is youtube taking down these video's?
0 likes@Francis York Morgan Thank you for the warning, downloading the video now.
1 like@Becca S. I wish I had your foresight, I would have pulled Pretending to be Crazy and Something About Jody.
0 likesLet’s call it what it is; racism. Even “witness 7” said he didn’t want to park next to the red Durango because he “didn’t want to deal with the music” but they’re really just beating around the bush because they had a preconceived notion of prejudice and racism. They thought “oh great here’s a car filled with black kids they are blasting music they’re probably going to mess with me I “don’t want to deal with it”.
6 likesGoing that's where he belongs..💯
1 likeThis is obv a case of racism shooting. He felt the urge to shoot because the kids are black and he “doesn’t like that kind of music”
2 likesAlligator tears on that defence stand.
0 likesJcs making acab less rhetorically effective with every upload.
0 likesWorth it
You want to kill… m-me?? 😳
1 likeDunn: I shot into the door. Detective: What was the purpose of that? Dunn: I was trying to save my life. Detective: From the door?
1485 likesClassic. Sad case but that was good 😆
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Shade. 😅
10 likesTerrible situation but I couldn’t help but laugh
8 likesThe thing i keep thinking about too is him complaining about music in a parking lot. You’re literally stopping for maybe a total of 20 minutes in a town that isnt even your own. Afterwards you will leave and never see these people again. You literally got agitated over something so small. I just can’t wrap my head around it
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I was thinking this too. It's not even like it was in an adjacent hotel room or something. He was stopping for a few minutes while his fiance got wine. Utterly deranged
40 likes20 minutes? More like 2 minutes or less to get a bottle of water.
47 likesHe wanted to kill a black man
31 likesBuildup of inner racism finally letting the hate out of his heart.
37 likesThey were intoxicated, which impairs his ability to think about long term consequences. He likely could not think beyond his emotions in the moment, and probably racist presumptions given the words he's used. Again and again I keep thinking if people just didn't have easy access to firearms this would not be an issue.
5 likes@Francis Ge not get rid of them but just regulate the hell out of them
4 likes@Danitza Porrascorrect, in his past there must have been a similar situation which he couldnt handle in his favour, so that it harmed his selfesteem, thus he tryed to rebuild his selfconvidence with this action, to overlaye the old memorys, to feel superior.
0 likes@Francis Ge I understand being intoxicated and not thinking clearly, but if you're that drunk to where you can pull out a gun and shoot at ppl over dumb shit, maybe you shouldn't drink. drunk actions are sober thoughts. also I'm pretty sure he has racist motives
1 likeI was wondering that too. I’ve stopped at a gas station and heard loud as fuck music a thousand times and never once have I demanded someone turn it down. This guy was looking to start some shit. The only reason he asked them to turn the music down was because he wanted to assert some type of dominance.
1 likewhen he said that he was the victim, i thought that he was actually threatened. but then i heard the rest of the story.
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same here. if all i heard was the call i would’ve actually felt bad for him, but he’s a horrible person
37 likesme too i thought "oh this is going to be good.. Steve Bannon survived a thug attack and even put one of them to sleep"
7 likesThaCape Buffalo i’m not sure what my race has to do with it. if you played the first minute to anyone, i think they would assume that someone was actually threatened or in danger. he didn’t say anything about their race in the first clip, for all i knew at the beginning of the video, he could’ve been getting robbed and he shot him, it could’ve been anyone who did it.
11 likesI had a feeling he was full of crap.
5 likes@Anna House you could tell he was full of crap from the 1st minute though....you assumed he was the victim because of your racial desposition...regardless if the victim was black or not
7 likesHe didn’t even say the kids were black from the first minute. This has nothing to do with race stop making this about race
5 likes@Sydney Roth Are you kidding me? He kept calling them "thugs" over and over and over again, because they listened to real music, and because they're black. He had no other discernable reason to say that, and no other reason to assume that they had a gun. Also, he almost never looked at the black officer when he spoke to him, but kept looking at the white officer. How can that not be about race?
8 likes@Prosperity's Soaps once again, none of that information is in the first minute of the video. she was talking about the first minute
9 likes@Sydney Roth And you were saying he wasn't a racist. You were making the bullshit argument that this wasn't about race. It was about the kids' race, and you know it. That's why you said that "first minute" bullshit. His motive was their race.
2 likes@Prosperity's Soaps No dummy, we're talking about the first minute. His motive was obviously race. But you can't imply that from the first minute which doesn't mention race.
6 likes@Sydney Roth yeah but I mean it was pretty obvious what he was talking about when he said 'they're violent' on the phone at the start
1 like@SavageMindSavageLife I'm black and I thought he was innocent at first.
0 likes@Prosperity's Soaps huh??
0 likes@SavageMindSavageLife A lot of people were kind of attacking me on here. Don't worry about it.
0 likesEdit: I actually kind of agree with what you said, (above), about racial dispositions.
@Prosperity's Soaps exactly my point....These folks thought he was innocent because he's white...ergo projecting their hidden racism
1 like@SavageMindSavageLife No, I think that they just didn't catch it. Different life experiences, ya know? You guys caught it, it went right over their heads at first.
0 likesEdit: It really shouldn't have been such a big deal if they didn't start verbally attacking everyone for no reason, though.
Prosperity's Soaps rite?!? Like why do they have to start calling people stupid in the YouTube comments? They act like anyone who disagrees with them is a piece of shit. I notice this a lot with people commenting on YouTube. People are so angry
0 likesBtw I noticed it from the first minute , first off even if I was in jail I would listen to my wife and how she is doing instead of bitching about being in jail. Like he cut her off and started telling her he’s the victim. Plus he called them thugs? Like he sounds hateful and obsessed with himself in the first couple seconds
@Aurorasfamily Productions Agreed. I mean, it went over my head at first, but when other pointed it out, I was like, "ohh. Duh." And I noticed it more afterward.
0 likesAs soon as he said I was the Victor not only the victim i found that statement was way out of place for someone who found the situation unfortunate... that was the utterances of someone with a pretty big chip on his shoulder, and portrays a person with a superiority complex.... even down to the description of how skilled he is with a firearm, almost glorifying himself and his skills... this isn't a remorseful, scared individual, this is a guy with serious egotistical issues
0 likesHearing him call himself a victim after he killed a 17 year old is beyond disgusting. >:(
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So matter of fact about it, like its a normal thing to do
2 likesThose animals aren't kids they're future or current criminals
3 likes@David Green What? Are you implying he's right for killing an innocent person?
9 likes@David Green lol bet ur a trump supporter 🥺🖤
8 likesI don’t know why everyone’s so upset about the age. A 17 year old threatening you isn’t any less dangerous than a 40 years old doing it. Obviously I’m this case they weren’t a threat and it was unjustified but the age doesn’t really matter
0 likes@UCdx52IqV10H_7pqM88txrLg not to mention you’re the only one fighting for your ideas here, I can see you talking with other people about how those of color should lose their lives because apparently the world revolves around you...? I could be extremely disrespectful just as you have been to multiple people here, but I decide to stay more composed and mature about this situation.
0 likesYes, and I think it's equally disgusting that he also calls himself a victor.
2 likesI'm lost for words.
0 likes2:20 - "I'm the victor, but I was the victim too." - This is a fascinating statement. It's is beautiful in how it succinctly demonstrates his thought processes.
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Im still trying to clock how he thinks hes been victimised so delusional
45 likes@Boqoreh Precision
37 likesMaybe you are trolling but if not then I would suggest you try and put aside your ideological viewpoints and analysis this sort of thing through a more objective lens.
@Rabbi Coomershekel McPornstien LOL and he will not be the victor.
0 likes@Laughing Achilles the word is analyze
3 likesI was the victim? When someone is dead... I will go out on a limb and say the dead guy is the victim.
16 likesBoqoreh you’re right. Good observation.
7 likesThey are “Pursed”.
“Lips which are pulled inwards from all directions are an indication of tension and may indicate frustration or disapproval. Pursed lips are a classic sign of anger, including when it is suppressed. It is effectively holding the mouth shut to prevent the person saying what they feel like saying.”
@Rabbi Coomershekel McPornstien don't think we can sit here like we're cool consuming criminology while we're making jokes about the horrific state of sexual assault in prisons. Criticizing Dunn cos he has exposed his deep true self while exposing your own... Ur embarrassing urself 😬 toughboy
3 likesDon't react, think
Yeah that part actually took me by surprise. Without even knowing what this was really about I just instantly felt like that sounded so bold, selfish, and childish. It was almost like he knew he was being cheeky, the way he said it. Like he relishes in it when fantasises about the idea of others glamourising his actions the way he does.
5 likesHe appears to see himself as the sort of militia man, capable of doing what needs to be done and using his skills with a firearm to protect him and his loved ones. That honestly seems to be how he sees it, his voice becomes so dramatic and invested, more creative, when he's talking about the actual event and his role in it.
It's really creepy but it shows how stupid he is. The act alone shows that. Guy got a little boozed and thought he'd try to out-gangster some kids who were probably just doing what most groups of young men do. Yeah, they probably were boisterous, maybe one of them did call him a bitch and say he'd kill him. Who fucking cares.
There was clearly no way that those guys were going to randomly starting shooting up some crusty, disgusting old white guy just because he was mouthing off. I think that also shows you a lot about the way he views these guys.
He is clearly harbouring some sort of repressed or redirected racism where he is consistently characterising the victims as thugs or implying they would have weapons. I have little doubt that there is racism in his mind and even if it was not a major part of it, it will likely have played a part in how this all turned out.
I am not one to harp on about racism and stuff like that, I don't really like how sensitive people have become and "isms" are often used as social weapons to manipulate crowds of people. Still, I really think there was a component of that in this.
It feels like it fits with what I imagine when I try to put myself in his mind, to understand why he did it. I genuinely believe that he is insecure to a point that he perceives these young, black men as a threat to his manliness. He seems them being loud and abrasive as an affront to his right to silence as a man. Rather than simply rise above it, his pathetic, childish behaviour came out and he felt compelled to further challenge them.
As this was going on he was no doubt probably already beginning to characterise them more and more as villainous, a threat. That obviously built to a point in his mind where he felt sufficiently frustrated by their taunts, and excited by his combination of alcohol and adrenaline, that he decided to simply shoot them to assert his dominance.
I think the alcohol and adrenaline play a big part in it too. Alcohol fuels fantastical thoughts, if you've ever caught yourself alone (maybe in a pub or club toilet), you will more keenly notice how strongly alcohol effects your actual thought process. Most of the time with alcohol you don't really feel as if you are changing much unlike other drugs where you really notice a stark difference in perspective or just how you feel.
Those thoughts were probably underlying and because he was drunk he was feeling more keen to fight, more sensitive to his already wounded self-esteem, more excited by the rush of chaos that adrenaline brings, and more compelled to take a big step and completely throw caution to the wind to "out-thug the thugs" whilst protecting his woman and righteously gunning down the threat to his town.
His actions after imply he didn't give a shit that he'd killed someone and he wasn't worried about their rebuttal because he knew they weren't going to attack him to begin with. Probably after he sobered up, and the adrenaline wore off, he begin to feel terrible but only because he realised he would inevitably get caught. His worry, sadness or anxiety can all be explained by the fact he knows he's facing life in prison.
Everyone knows that feeling of waking up hung over and remembering what you did the night before in horror. Or worse, you can have "the doom" when you don't remember and your entire day (sometimes week) is spent uncovering whatever damage you wrought.
That's because alcohol lowers your ambitions, it fuels your passions, it narrows your view, it limits your appreciation of anything beyond what is in front of you. It emboldens your imagination and heightens your emotions. That's why alcohol is such a good thing for causing fights, rows, and all other manner of passionately driven thing. Sex. You name it, there's probably way more examples i'm forgetting.
Adeline added into that mix is terrible. If you are really drunk and then you feel threatened, or get flooded with adrenaline for any reason, you become more animalistic. You realise there is a threat but you also understand (because adrenaline sobers you up to some degree) that your senses are dulled and you are vulnerable because of the alcohol. It makes you react quite chaotically and violently. This is why people can hurt those they really care about even if they have no abusive tendencies at all.
Someone who is appropriately inhibited will often begin to see most things as a threat as they begin to feel more vulnerable and act more violently or erratically as a result.
I think this was a case of an insecure cunt, who looks as disgusting as the darkest crease of satan's asshole, who has delusions of grandeur and a general selfish focus on his fantasy life. Someone who thinks all day about what they want to be but never tries to become it, that disparity and disconnect becoming more apparent as they age (as it often does) until they are forced to face their own pathetic, disgusting existence.
When that happens all you may have to do is throw in alcohol and the fantastical whims of the animal brain will begin to force you to act erratically and selfishly in pursuit of becoming what you want to be perceived as.
I think that basic logic underlies why many people do what they do, and I don't think anyone can ever really truly claim to "not care what others think" when they belong to the human race. Our species has thrived, and entirely relies, on collective effort and the power of numbers, socialisation. It is central to pretty much everything we do, people pretty much suffer horrific physical and mental damage if isolated and can literally just die.
I think that's what this is. Its just an example of how people can be selfish assholes who are reckless and rash, how we can kill each other and how life is not just like a game. Life is life, you behave a certain way you get no start over. You kill someone, sorry mate but its life in bars or a needle in the arm.
The story may be tragic all round as he suffers for his pathetic life and his brash, insecure actions; the victim's family and friend is traumatised for life; probably hundreds of people are effected by the death and overall a few minutes of intense recklessness wrought all that.
I think that is pretty much just the human condition as a whole. I believe everyone, including myself, is capable of terrible things for really shitty reasons. I think we should all be incredibly aware of that capability so we don't become a slave to bad habits, stop ourselves from indulging in things we know are wrong, build skills, increase your knowledge, become more capable, engender positivity and progress, be unstoppable. Those are my goals, I want to be a force of nature but for a good reason.
I'm not even saying I want to save the world or do anything significant, I just want to be the type of person who is driven by principal and overall just leaves things more positively than when I left them. That takes a lot of work and I still fail often, but at least i'm trying.
I think this is what happens when you don't try, you age, you allow life to drag you down and you begin to crumble and give into basic, animal-like behaviour because you face your mortality in ignorance, you face the reality of the world with spite and distain and you look at the world as an extension of only your own story.
It can be incredibly hard to gain new perspective. The world is an extremely complicated place when considered in its entirety. Too much nuance and minutiae in every little thing for anyone to ever be able to perceive it all, at once, and be thoughtful to every facet. However, I think we should work towards that because otherwise we'll just stay as stupid, filthy animals rolling around in our own shit, setting fire to our own houses, shooting our own kind, and generally just being overall pretty cunty people.
@Mince
1 likeThis is why he's interesting. Any normal thinking person cannot understand how he could consider himself to be the victim.
In general, those who kill others in self defense will be distraught as it's such an awful thing to have done. Even when they are absolutely within their rights, killing another person will put them in a state of shock. Dunn fails to demonstrate any guilt or shock, and this is key to understanding him.
@Typhon 608
1 likeYou are quite correct. I do hope a single error in typing will not cause you to dismiss the argument I put forward.
@Boqoreh Precision
3 likesYou latched on to a physical feature and related it to a current politician apropos of nothing. This is a clear demonstration of a political agenda despite your claim of a simple aesthetic observation.
No remorse at all!
0 likesBaron Thundercunt
0 likesYes a good synopsis of the human condition in some people. I do think in his drunken state he did feel threatened but went for the reasons you said went right over the top. The downside of alcohol for sure . It has caused so much misery in so many situations for so many people.
He wants praise and sympathy at the same time.
0 likesLaughing Achilles lol what?
1 likeMichaelangelo Evans + Laughing Achilles - both of you are the obnoxious ones. Calm down.
1 like@Laughing Achilles Noticing a similarity has nothing to do with ideology. It's literally an objective observation you dunce.
4 likesAlso I think it's quite healthy to express disagreement towards any ideology that calls nazis "fine people"
:)
Laughing Achilles argument??? Huh?
1 like@G F
0 likeswhat did I do that was obnoxious?
@Solo
1 like"He literally has the smug Trump mouth...must be a correlation."
"Noticing a similarity has nothing to do with ideology. It's literally an objective observation you dunce."
please be honest with others and with yourself.
@dagmastr12 Without having watched the whole thing, plenty of attackers are killed, and just because they are killed does not mean they are the "victim". Especially when the dead was the attacker. I'm not saying this is so in this case, but obviously, not all who die in an altercation are "victims".
0 likes@illy wolf 13/50.
0 likesYou want privilege, murder less.
You mean 'demonstrates his delusion '. He was neither. He's just a racist murderer.
0 likesIt shows how heartless he is! He doesn't have any remorse for killing a kid! JORDAN WAS THE VICTIM AND HE WAS THE THUG!
0 likes@Sean Winters tds is pathetic attempt to reflect any accusation toward djt and frame it as if they were without merit and presented in bad faith. Way to dodge criticism without counterarguments. Tool of people who know they are wrong.
0 likes@Sean Winters viewing person as member of a group of people instead of an individual, responsible of his groups actions instead of his personal actions, what is that?
0 likes@PokeriLaama It's racism, just like the concept of white privilege. But no, it's only bad when one group does it, not the other(sounds like me racism to me.)
0 likesGo ahead, hypocrite. Explain why it's okay when one group is racist and not the other.
@PokeriLaama Also, bad faith arguments are bad faith indeed.
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0 likesShoots people 10 times for no reason and has the nerve to call himself the “victor but the victim.” How deluded and sociopathic
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@Caroline Smyth no reason to shoot. no reason at all
14 likes@Michael on YouTube yeah I get ya...
3 likesRob Romeo not deluded, he knew the call was being recorded, he just wanted to paint himself in the best possible light to try to get out of or at least minimize the trouble he is in.
7 likesmaybe he thought it was a pellet gun lol
0 likesTo a sociopath they are always the victim. Thats their weakness.
4 likes@Curtis Newton What about the context - middle-aged man who talks with a woman's voice trying to be a tough guy?
1 likeSome Thing We got an edgelord out here. You see the joke is clearly humorous because it’s edgy and has no other aspect of a good joke that might make someone laugh. Thank you for contributing to the internet with your wise words sir edgelord, and may you go on to randomly say the n-word in the name of attention seeking.
0 likesPsychopathic.
0 likesSuppression fire - even the detectives were laughing at Michael about that one.
1 likeShould of been more respectful to him, he only asked nicely that they lower the volume a bit. I am sure it was crazy, stupid savage loud.
0 likes@OdinsCloud Yes, in the perfect world people show respect. But is also true - in the perfect world adults show restraint and don't pull guns and act like thug gang members, like Dunn did. The laws on self-defense were written with Dunn in mind and that is why he was convicted and lost two appeals.
4 likesSome Thing A minor lost his life because his music was too loud, and you’re applauding that? You’re sick.
2 likes@Paula Lins He never mentioned once that they were black, not once. You are saying that he is racist, because he is white, don´t you? This is called racism. So you have no right to call someone a racist, while being a racist yourself.
0 likesSome Thing ooohh we got a badass over here, folks
0 likes@tigerlilly721 Thug music! Read his mail house letters. If you still say that he isn't a racist then learn to read.
1 like57:25 I m confuse this happen in florida why JCS SAID he is in a Oregon maximum security Oregon state prison
1 likeThere’s not even a shred of remorse. None, whatsoever. He is truly a monster.
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Off topic but nice profile picture :)
34 likesJust didn't want to loose his freedom, that's it. Couldn't give 2 shits about those involved, just himself
3 likesWow totally off topic but but 2 both of you.. lovely profile pictures 🌼
10 likes@Chuck Binladen You need to up your profile pic game
10 likes@Owen, dam straight he hasn't
0 likes@Daily Bread
2 likesYou are dead right, only cried over the dog ffs
I wouldn't say he is a monster because he has no remorse although that does appear to be true he definitely needs to go to jail but there are far worse people out there that target individuals in far worse ways this was a bit of a random act of madness.
1 likeIn his mind, he is doing others a favour by being alive.
2 likesBut he sure loved his dog. Just the thought of it brings him to tears.
0 likesWell they were spades
0 likesHe cared more about his puppy, than taking the life of an innocent young man
0 likesI had to stop the video and cry once he said that he didn’t know who had the gun but hopefully it was the one that he hit. He was a BOY
1 likeThat poor woman, oh wow.. when they asked whose idea it was to stop at the gas station, she hesitated before she said 'mine' really softly. I know she may have been trying to decide whether to lie or not (not saying she was, just saying that's a possibility for the hesitation), but I believe I saw and heard so much regret in her, blaming herself. "If only I hadn't decided on that..." If you ever read this, please remember none of this was your fault. 0% of this was your fault. You did not do a thing wrong by making that choice and you could not have predicted this.
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Yeah that poor lady. What a nightmare that unfolded in moments! That monster was just looking for trouble and trigger happy.
41 likesIf he was capable to snap with a bunch of kids that were just being slightly disrespectful, he would do the same to her
46 likes@Rohan Luke "Farming equipment"? What does that mean?
14 likes@HorseLuver4Ever I'm scared that he's referring to the black kids
30 likes@Callum Lambkin As am I. The amount of racism in that thought alone is devastating.
26 likesHorseLuver4Ever only devastating to whoever thinks like thats heart and mind
2 likesHe would have done something else the next day. Never seen someone so detached. When was last time after you shoot someone you go home take your dog out and go to sleep ? He is a piece of shit and belongs in prison. Incredible that he truly believes he is the victim. That is his reality and no one will ever change it, no matter what.
12 likesIgnore the nasty troll and report the disgusting hate speach.
7 likesIt must be a sad life they have.
@piraterocks might be!? 🤯 the word might is the mindblowing issue
1 likeRohan Luke Dehumanizes other people yet thinks he’s an example of humanity. How’s that cognitive dissonance treating you?
4 likesI don't think she hesitated bc she thought she might not admit it was her idea to stop
10 likes... I think she hesitated bc, like you said, she feels like this whole thing was her fault. I don't think the woman has it in her to lie. It's rare to see such honesty in a person these days. She's definitely lucky to have found out her fiance had such malice and evil in him.
Rohan Luke Oh okay. Did you get the attention you needed?
3 likes@Callum Lambkin I don't think so. Those kids were innocent.
1 like@HorseLuver4Ever I did not hear any racism. What makes you say that?
0 likes@nogh Thangs That person is referring to those boys, who are black, as "farming equipment".
3 likesShe was out with a man who was drinking and driving, so yes, it is kind of her fault.
2 likes@HorseLuver4Ever that is just sick. I thought he was referring to the shooter.
3 likes@Rohan Luke referring to those kids as farming equipment is just sick.
2 likes@HorseLuver4Ever I went back and reread what was written... that is just sick.
4 likes@HorseLuver4Ever, racism is ugly. But a racist YouTube comment devastated you?
1 like@A Guy Named Something People who think like that do because some people act on that in real life.
3 likes@Rohan Luke Ah yes. The classic defense of "Other people are worse so I'm not bad."
0 likesRohan Luke I find it funny how a teenager has so much more critical thinking than someone who appears to either be an adult or a heavily indoctrinated child. I recommend you listen less to just Fox News, and more than just what you enjoy.
2 likes@TakamiHawks Which teenager?
1 likeHorseLuver4Ever Me
1 like@TakamiHawks Same
1 likeHorseLuver4Ever I apologize. I thought the fact I was referring to myself was implied.
1 like@TakamiHawks No worries. It's why I asked for a clarification.
1 like@hot100easypack yup, ironic that in jail he might listen to more "thugh music" .
2 likesI think the hesitation was the realization of responsibility. She wasnt responsible but felt guilt in that pause maybe
1 likeTruth
0 likesAnd he would've found another reason to fire that gun. The man is clearly trigger happy.
0 likesShe just wanted a bottle of water and to check on her dog :(
0 likesRead your comment before seeing the moment and this is an exaggeration. She almost immediately said “mine” like what?
0 likesOr she could have acted that way because she could have felt guilty for asking go to the store and this incident happened as a result.
1 like@Kirk TV That's exactly why she was halting with her answer -- she felt guilty (which is why I gave the original poster a partial thumbs up for everything except thinking an option could be her contemplating lying).
0 likesBesides there being no point to lying about who's idea it was to stop, it's obvious that she hesitated because, like anyone in her position, she'd naturally be playing the 'what if' game.
"Live and let live" is a weird thing to say while being interrogated for murder.
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Levi Benezra live and let die?
8 likesThey used to say, "live and let live"
2 likesRight
0 likes@I Em Hoo I Iz I don't think she could have saved him. He got out of the car and kept shooting as they were fleeing. That throws any illusion of "fearing for your life" out the window.
0 likesIf those 4 dudes never got out of their car, and didn't point any weapons at Dunn.... then this guy had NO justification to fire at them !!! 2nd degree murder.
2 likesThis guy is making me sick to my stomach, kiling a kid simply because he talked back at him. And then these crocodile tears in court, NOT because of the kid but boohoohoo I was so scared for my fiance. YECH!!!
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I wonder if he was having some kind of PTSD or anger issues. A hair trigger temper like that wouldn't have come without some kind of warning signs. He should have been under watch before he murdered a bunch of kids.
2 likes@Alex Buchanan There was a warning sign obviously. When he said he didn't like that "thug" music, his fiancee replied "yes, i know". He clearly had prejudice toward these children for more than just their volume of music. He can't even look the officers in the eyes while being questioned. He is looking at their feet, his hands, or the note pad. He gets clearly agitated when the officer in blue begins questioning him. That behaviour, at least where I am from, is not abnormal in people like him.
7 likesThe "kid" threatened his life.
0 likes@Steve Purcell He did not! He was back talking him, but did not threaten him.
3 likes@Steve Purcell In any case he fired several shots at the vehicle. They attempted to flee for fear of their lives, and he still fired more shots. He felt no remorse for killing a 17 year old child. An unarmed child that was no threat to him. He lied to the police, but you see justification in the murder of this young man? The child threatened his life by playing loud music he didn't like?
4 likes@Alex Buchanan I have PTSD and I can't speak for everyone but I'm not gonna pull a gun out and shoot someone! I'm currently living in volatile abusive situation with constant triggers and I still wouldn't shoot someone. Ever
2 likesor maybe he was actually threatened by animals
0 likes@Jxmi Official animals? The CHILD he shot was a human being. He had a mother and father. He had a future ahead of him, and that was snuffed out by that monster in cold blood. The only animal I saw in that situation was the one who murdered a person whose only transgression was being a regular teenager, and talking back to a privileged beast.
1 likeThis guy doesn't seem like the full deck to me
0 likesThe way he expects everyone to just go along with his story and how he genuinely thinks "fearing for his life" is an excuse to kill a harmless kid, makes me wonder how much racism he got away with before he reached this age.
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Well Zimmerman got away with it then sold the gun he used at auction for a quarter million $ so it’s not too far fetched to think he could have gotten away with it.
21 likesIt's not illegal to be racist lol. What do you mean "got away with" racism?
8 likes@Wombo Combo Since when is it not illegal to be racist?
20 likes@MotaShotta how would it be illegal?
10 likes@Wombo Combo it means he hasn't faced any consequences for it until this point
15 likes@Jonathan King I don’t know what you’re talking about. You need solid evidence to prove it’s racism rather than making assumptions. Eminem is white - some people discriminate because of music and style and hip hop culture, regardless of skin colour there are both black and white people who consider it “thug music”. I’m not discriminating them because of their choice of music, but the murderer could have been. Lots of a*** holes like him are judgemental - doesn’t mean I am. I went through a phase of listening to all of that and 2Pac so how can I judge. Like I said, racism IS possible and feasible but it’s not proven beyond any reasonable doubt. Talking about burning crosses is silly. Use a level head instead of emotions. Facts and truths are far more important than expectations and beliefs.. he certainly seems like an evil racist man, it’s possible he was stereotyping rather than being racist. If you’ve ever seen a group of white or Asian kids listening to hip hop they are often judged in the same way for their style and music rather their skin tone … it’s just a hunch and I am not one for following sheep just to gain approval. I want hard evidence and not a popularity vote.
5 likes@Jonathan King you’re on another planet. You’re completely bonkers.
3 likes@Jonathan King and it’s obvious you’re only young - and have a lot to learn in life yet.
4 likes@Jonathan King i’m british too & the word thug here in the uk is absolutely used as a racist word towards black people/culture, dude is 100% talking out of his ass
22 likes@Jonathan King someone has been googling … you’re going all over the place now and have gone off on a tangent. I think you just enjoy arguing, namely because you’re intolerable and narcissistic- so you’re clutching at straws.
2 likes@Jonathan King and you’re out of your depth with British Indian history
1 like@Jonathan King you’re INSANE. I’ve never in my life known anything or anyone like it. You’re bonkers 👋
3 likes@Brindians he is clearly racist no way he would have done that to a car full of white teenagers everything he said points to him being a racist but I see you just want to argue with people
5 likes@Lucky Luke that was pure racism calling them thugs and saying how he hates thug music then lied about them having a gun was because they were black
4 likes@Lucky Luke I have the same notion. The discussion whether or not he is a racist is irrelevant after he made those shots and killed other human being. Btw the word "thug" is used for any skin colour here in Ireland for describing anyone up to no good who is prone to committing a crime of some kind.
1 like@MotaShotta He is a murderer. Without remorse as the court recording proves. Assumptions about him being a racist are assumptions. I don't see any point in disputes over that. The murderer was sentenced. Racism is not good and better be fought in the local communities rather than having this hero stance against racism here in the comments section.
1 like@Brindians why doubt they were listening to Mozart? Lmaaao your true colors show. Obviously they were listening to rap based on what was said in the video but still. You realize that black people are largely responsible for the creation of rock and roll right? Not every black person just listens to rap.
2 likes@ReyCo47 in fact - it’s your assumption that I don’t know rap music or hip hop because of my skin colour that’s hilarious here.
0 likesWhy does it have to be racist? Hate crimes are crimes being racist isn’t a crime it’s a belief….
1 like@Kmmz 444 analysing data, complex cases information is my job - of 20 years. You need to be 100% correct and precise and evidence should be conclusive and not speculative. The stupid thing is, I’ve not denied he’s racist. I’ve said there is no solid and conclusive evidence that he definitely is. And I am 100% correct in my assertion. But because you all get emotional you can’t handle any kind of questioning - it’s a dangerous society when you can’t question things because of the sheeple getting upset and offended. I’m speaking the truth.
1 like@TooMuchGusto it’s not actually a hate crime by definition if the crime wasn’t committed due to someone’s race or gender or whatever
0 likes@Kmmz 444 I’ve also fired people and saved their asses - and I can assure you, when you’re making life changing decisions that can change peoples futures you really do learn to question every fine detail.… I’m sharing my wisdom here guys. I’m technically an old lady with a lot of life experience and ups and downs … criminology is a fascinating subject because things can shock you and are not always what they seem. There was a case about a man who was walking by and saw an open window, he went in the house through the window and urinated on the carpet and stole a worthless photo frame. When he was questioned he had no prior convictions and he was assessed by professionals as sane and deemed to have no motive. In this case, he committed a crime without motive but it proves that people can commit crimes without there being a motive such as “race” - although race as a motivating factor is a good possibility here, it’s not a 100% definite. The man who urinated on the carpet was deemed to have had a moment of impulsivity where he was compelled to do what he did - without any other reason. The human mind is so complex like that - people need to consider this.
1 likePut another way, hypothetically, if any of you lot are ever implicated in a serious crime (I hope you never are) and there are suspicions of your guilt (even if innocent) - you’d want your case to be analysed fairly and with a fine toothed comb and you’d want evidence to be used without bias or speculation. Now, whilst we can all agree that THIS murderer deserves whatever he gets (whether he’s racist or not he still murdered someone so it doesn’t really matter anyway) if it were any other case, or if YOU were accused of something, you’d soon come to respect it when people analyse your case thoroughly. You’d be pretty annoyed if you saw YouTube threads with everyone saying “oh yeah he did it - definitely a psycho or a homophobe or a racist” - you’d want truth not speculation. It doesn’t matter here because this man is definitely guilty anyway so you can call him whatever you like really, but because the same principle can apply if someone is innocent - yes it’s important to get it right and be factual about motives. Also, the true motive of a crime can impact someone’s sentencing.
0 likes@Brindians lol k
1 likeWtf does race have to do with it
0 likes@Jonathan King it is thug music though? Assuming they are listening to 95% of what rap music talks about
0 likes@MotaShotta There's a pretty simple answer as to why they don't think he's racist. (They're racist too)
1 like@Brindians no one made that assumption?
1 like@MotaShotta Since forever. There has yet to be laws in place against having a distaste for a given race. That's like thoughtcrime, my dude.--That said, Canada is working on it.
0 likesImagine being that woman. Your picking up wine after a wedding, excited to continue a fun night with your fiancé. But in the time it took for you to go in and buy wine, the person you love more than anyone in the world got so mad about some loud music that he guns down a 17 year old in cold blood. The person you love and trust, suddenly transforming into a complete monster, over some hip hop.
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imagine the fear in her heart on the way home in the car
239 likesI completely agree, but nobody said it was hip-hop , couldve been some soothing classical music
65 likesStopping at the corner store takes not even 7 mins.... He wanted to tell someone to shut up in that small time? Who cares if the music is loud wow
56 likes@Jack O’Rourke Right, because a white man would refer to classical music as "Thug music"
133 likes@Sanne Thomsen it was clearly a joke , i’d say your some buzz at parties
41 likes@Jack O’Rourke I don't party.
18 likes@Jack O’Rourke No, my name is Sanne not Sherlock. I don't know where you got that name from
20 likes@Sanne Thomsen No wonder you don’t party, who would invite you hahahahahaha
40 likes@Jack O’Rourke Won't you invite me?
30 likes@Sanne Thomsen Fine… i like your persistence
39 likes@Jack O’Rourke Yayyy, party time! Thank you!
39 likes@Sanne Thomsen oh by the way we’re only playing classical thug music at this party…
55 likes@Jack O’RourkeBummer... I prefer jazz thug music, but I am looking forward to see you trying to dance to that!
33 likes@Sanne Thomsen well… i do like some jazz, i also like thug music… it’s a date
27 likes@Jack O’Rourke I knew right from the start we were destined for each other!! Will you pick me up?
31 likes@Sanne Thomsen Nas has a song that’s based off of Fur Elise so it could be classical and hip hop.
9 likesWhat are these comments lol
85 likesHe was shot for threatening a man with death, then advancing towards him.
3 likes@Jack O’Rourke Better to be someone who doesn't "party" at all than to live the party life seeking validation
10 likes@Lame Gamer what are you on about kid?hahahahahah
5 likes@Jack O’Rourke It's okay Jack, I'll give you validation....as soon as you take me to that party you promised me
17 likes@Federico Garcia-De Castro facts
8 likesWell I would say that some of the boys and her dodged a bullet that day.
4 likes@Sanne Thomsen i love it when ppl go from arguing to becoming chill in comment sections 💀💀
16 likes@Jack O’Rourke you know damn well what thug music means lmao.
4 likesHe probably would have asked them to turn it up if it was Kenny Rogers and not Kendrick Lamar.
Although I guess Dunn is so racist he probably could have convinced himself that Beethoven was actually 2 Live Crew and found a reason to start popping off anyway
Horrific. Reminds me of that scene in Frends when Phoebe moves in with the cop....the man she thought was perfect....until he shoots a bird for singing in the morning...but tragic and not funny.
0 likesThat pure hatred in his heart
1 likeHey man Yung Lunch Pail just does somethin to a man
1 likeHe wasn't suddenly transforming. This racist behaviour was there when she met him. The violent tendencies, the escalating. It was all part of his personality.
8 likesI'll bet on that
@ケジ art
1 like@GermanSausages exactly.
1 likeRhonda was thinking "I can't go to prison, I won't make it"... And she let the truth roll right out.
2 likesBruh
0 likesIt wasn’t “in cold blood”. He was clearly quite angry and didn’t have time to reflect about the situation. But of course that doesn’t justify any of what he did.
0 likes@Sanne Thomsen Yayyy you guys I ship it😂❤
7 likes@Jack O’Rourke “is that BACH?!?! Hell naw, we are good respectable BEETHOVEN people here…”
3 likesPeople are crazy
0 likesSomething tells me she knew what kind of man he was already but didn’t think he’d actually go through with it.
4 likes@Jack O’Rourke the idea of them absolutely vibing to intensely loud Paganini or something is hilarious despite the events
5 likesI like how Sanne and Jack have peacefully come to an agreement, it’s like straight out of an enemies to lovers slow-burn fluff angst 40k word fanfic
8 likes@Jack O’Rourke bro shut up. That was the most likely scenario thethe majority of us blank people listen to it. So we’re gonna use the majority in this case
0 likesYour assumption that this man was someone she trusted, and also that he was somehow a stand-up citizen that "suddenly" transformed?
3 likesHe definitely beat her on a regular basis, and was an extremely racist piece of trash. There was no transformation into a monster. He was born one.
I have so much respect for her for not trying to paint him in a better light during her interviews. She told the facts exactly like they were, even though she easily could have lied to say that yes he was afraid at the hotel, etc, and continue the narrative that "he was afraid of retribution".
6 likes@Sanne Thomsen this comment chain is unironically a better story than most Hollywood movies
3 likes@Andrew Shearin they were together for four years she def know what kind of person he was she just didnt care cause it didnt affect her
0 likes@Andrew Shearin they were together for four years she def know what kind of person he was she just didnt care cause it didnt affect her
0 likes*over his racism
0 likesyeah they should have turned down their music.
0 likes@Jack O’Rourke LMAO :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
0 likes@Meyrum enemies to lovers 🤩
2 likesI imagine she was treated like a possession by him. I pray she has since found someone better.
0 likesRhonda should've left him way before this happened. She's lucky to be alive herself. You cant tell me he didn't abuse her, at the very least, emotionally. Listen to her demeanor talking with police, and compare it when she's on the phone with him. He even terrifies her on the phone.
0 likesShe told the judge she stopped to buy water lol
0 likesYou gotta control ya impulses
0 likesNot taking anything away from this guy, but that's the power of alcohol. It brings out these tendancies in some people. And people hate on weed instead smh.
0 likes@b YESS VERY MUCH AN ENEMIES TO LOVERS TYPE OF ENERGY
1 liketo be honest, when I hear hip hop being played in public, I reach for my gun too, but then take a deep breath and choose to let the perp live
1 likeShe kinda dodged a bullet no pun intended
0 likes69
0 likes@Jack O’Rourke "I hate that thug Mozart."
2 likesHe was a racist bully!!
0 likes@Jack O’Rourke Vivaldi's Bass Requiem 😥
1 like@Sanne Thomsen but you do jump...to conclusions.
0 likes@Video et Taceo I think you @ the wrong person
0 likes@Sanne Thomsen what time am i picking you up
0 likes@Roxanne Moser and she’s terrified during the trial!! Actually saying things against him in front of him terrifies her. I feel so awful for this woman. Other people are saying she knew who he was but she’s terrified of him
0 likesSong must've sucked
0 likesCorrection, over “BASS”. His windows where up.
0 likes"I'm the victor", that says it right there. He counts himself as the winner of the exchange because he shot at a bunch of kids who were having fun. He ended a life, he traumatized probably the rest of those kids and others who were there potentially, and he's going to prison probably for the rest of his life. That isn't winning, that's being a cowardly sack of shit.
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Best comment.
8 likesNot to mention completely tainted the wedding night of his son and daughter-in-law. Every anniversary they celebrate will be the anniversary that his dad murdered a child in cold blood.
51 likes💯💯
1 likeWorded perfectly
0 likesPp
0 likes@Luc Laflamme or, they were just being kids?
20 likes@Luc Laflamme its funny bcuz witness 7 stated that he parked away from the car bcuz the music was loud. And that there was an empty spot nxt to witness 7's car where he could've parked but instead he parked nxt to the car with the loud music. Not only did he choose to park there but thn he choose to say something. And then after the driver gets into the car he starts talking to them AGAIN. Not only did he not hav to wind his window back down the 2nd time. 1zt time sure. He asked nd thy did turn the music down. He said thank u nd the music starts again. If thy clearly didnt care the 1st time u asked y continue to entertain the young men? On top of that. He winds down his window a 2nd time and speaks directly to the only one is the car who is defensive to resume the verbal. And bcuz he was speaking to him "yes, i am talking to you" he shot him 3x and murdered him? And after those 3 shots that murdered his target in the 1st 45 SECONDS!!! Of the shooting he continued to shoot off another 5-6 shots? And those 5-6 shots were staggered. He shot 2 while the car reversed hitting the front door nd thn continued while the car fled. Ill nvr understand how in any moment during this entire situation did he feel his life was in danger. Those 3 boys DID fear as thy drove away being shot at, but sadly the 4th boy died b4 he could've even been afraid bcuz he shot straight at him.
3 likes@Leo Vasquez you‘re literally trying to make these kids look like they‘re in any way shape or form responsible for being shot at 10 times and one of them being murdered in cold blood? how sick can you be
4 likes@Leo Vasquez He came with a problem, and hate in his heart. Don’t fucking defend a man who shot children in cold blood. Jesus Christ
3 likes@Kerchoo. so are you implying the 17 year old ww2 soldiers were not men. Your brain fully develops in your 20s so 18 and 19 yr olds are children too? I didn’t say they deserved to die. I said don’t provoke and be surprised at repercussions. Do you tease a dog then play the victim when it bites you.
0 likes@Kerchoo. I’m not defending him. He got what he deserved. He shouldn’t have shot them nor said anything to them. I’m saying don’t be surprised when you confront someone.
0 likes@EREX98 ignoring things that you know will take you to a point like that, to shoot literal KIDS? That’s now being an adult, that’s childish asf. Adults ignore things and have a much better temperament, or at least they should, since they’re ADULTS (18+) those kids were still in high school. There’s no excuse. Because toddlers are annoying, but you shouldn’t hit or hurt them. Same with developing young adults. Sheesh man😕
2 likes@Leo Vasquez so listening to music loudly = death sentence...noted
2 likes@KGNT messing with the wrong one = possible death sentence. That’s common sense. Something I had as a teenager. Living in Flint, Mi teaches you that ;)
0 likes@Leo Vasquez the reason why our government want 17 year olds was because they were so easy to trick to fight a war for them.
0 likesIt would of been better to go home .... The Wine wasn't that important .
0 likesIf you were so so scared of the guys in the car, you wouldn't have asked them to turn down the music.
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Not a damn peep...
20 likesno. you dont always assume people will attack you. you ask them to turn down the music, they attack and NOW you are scared of them, so you retaliate. I havent watched the video so i dont know the full case but that statement isnt true
31 likes@MISC But they never attacked, especially after they were shot at
76 likes@Connor Jones didnt he push him over?
0 likes@MISC No, I believe you're thinking of Michael Drejka, another video on this channel.
55 likes@Connor Jones you're right, I commented on them both today. My bad
18 likesOr just park elsewhere. This guy just wanted to be a tough guy with his gun. I believe it was the perfect opportunity for him. My thinking is that he was trying to kill them all, hence firing so many shots. If he was truly afraid, he would have warned them or fired a warning shot (if he believed he was truly on danger). He's a maniac.
38 likesAlcohol is a hell of a drug.
13 likes@MISC that’s a really stupid thing to say... “i didn’t watch the video” ... like you have no say if you didn’t watch...
21 likesrepsandgrooves — It’s hard to tell exactly what his intent was.... At first I didn’t think he intended to kill them or else he would’ve shot directly through the glass, but I didn’t know bullets from a hand gun were strong enough to go through car doors!..... Yikes. He kept on saying “I shot at the door” like he didn’t know the bullets can go through it. My guess is that he was just pissed and wanted to shoot up the vehicle.
6 likesHe didn't ask. He picked a fight with them.
3 likesI would never ask someone to turn down the music. If I don't like it, I move.
5 likes@MISC i never called u stupid.. you should read the whole comment just like you should have watched the whole video. but if you’re scared of a bear your not gonna walk up to it and ask it not to go through your camp site... it’s just smart to ignore something if it’s imposing a threat
7 likes@MISC I think for the first time in your life you need to admit a loss everybody in the comments disagrees with you.
8 likesAnd keep firing at a retreating car while not a single shot was fired at him
5 likes@Connor Jones angry old dude wasn't about to have some kids back talk him. Even in the interrogation you can see parts where he tries to use trigger words to get off. Saying things like "I feared for my life". Later on the stand turned into "clear and present danger". Icarus flew too close to the sun that day
1 like@Caner ERBAY ask: 0
0 likesLol
0 likesDeadass. Scared = flee . You don’t instigate altercation when you’re scared 😑
0 likessalt and vinegar EXACTLY!! IF The kids would have been REAL GUN WAVING GANGSTERS....This dummy would have been SCARED to even look at them.
1 like@SPOONING KAT "poor reading comprehension" am i the one that needed a second try to write his comment?
0 likes@MISC And as for my first response, I'm not sure why it's not showing up as I would like it to (although I did send it from my phone) but it seems that is a common occurrence for comments nowadays.
1 likehe wasnt scared of them until they said stuff about kiling
0 likesExactly i would never talk to them if i was terrified of them
0 likes@A Mcintosh Of course they can penetrate a car door so long as it isn't armoured.
1 likeThat is an excellent valid point.
0 likesthats true but the fact that they turned it down then back up shows they wanted a fight... they were trying to bully everyone else..
0 likesunless you have a gun, then you dont care and think you are almighty
0 likes@MISC i mean, ok show the gun and/or shoot in the air one, two. if they are still not afraid, maybe hit in the tires, but not like bam bam bam ~10 shoots in the middle of the care. come one...
0 likesIn my opinion I think he drank too much liquid courage at the wedding reception and was picking a fight. If the thug music was so damn loud and hurt his ear as Michael Dunn put it....why did park so close to their vehicle that he couldn't completely open his car door without hitting the red trunk when there where other open parking spaces? The coward felt tough bullying kids I doubt he would ask 3 adult Hells angels to turn their music down..
0 likes@Ride there are two factors. One is the drug, the other is the person... A person without judgement, can,t handle drugs, or even themselves.
0 likes@MISC watch the video before answering a question..ur answer wasnt the case in this story
0 likes@MISC u mean urself i think but nevermind
0 likes@Naatskie💯 nah.
0 likesI feel sorry for that woman and for that boy's parents
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I searched up the parents and they had two sons and both passed away. So sad.
64 likes@Hanna common thing in Jacksonville. Rip to the two boys though.
20 likes6:55 I’m kind of irritated that they have edited out part of the testimony. What did Jordan say to Mike Dunn that pissed him off when Dunn said “You talking to me?”? I don’t like editing (when it’s censorship).
0 likesAs far as the guilt of Dunn goes, it doesn’t matter — nothing justifies what he did. But I feel like it was cut from the video to avoid ignorant comments, and that is dangerous. That’s the slippery slope we’ve been on for the last couple of years. Social media has deemed themselves the babysitters of the world; THEY’ll decide what is good for you and what is bad for you, what might upset you, or what might hurt your feelings, and they’ll hide it from you TO PROTECT YOU. Like the jab — it’s all for your own good.
The guy strikes me as a person who was itching for any provocation to use his gun so to prove to the world what a real man he is when in fact he is a mealy-mouthed coward.
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Nailed it!
8 likesThat reminds me of most conservatives who own guns. All they obsess over is getting to use their guns. I own guns and never touch them.
13 likesWas also probably buzzed bordering on drunk if he'd had 4 rum and cokes before leaving a wedding reception early.
3 likesF. Friedrich Kling ...the state of Florida is filled with such ‘men’.
2 likesJennifer A and you just proved you know very few if any “conservatives that own guns”. Nice try though.
15 likes@Alan Bunder If he was a daily drinker, a measly 4 rum & Cokes is nothing.
3 likesjohn doyle: speaking facts
2 likesYa don't take em to the range or hunting? I mean... chmon...
2 likesWhat's the point of owning em if ya ain't gonna touch them.
If you have to whip out a gun there's a good chance you're already dead type of deal...
Facts, Big facts. NO 🧢. (I strike as smn who just wants to use those expressions) but facts tho, f him
0 likesAfter reading your comment I can deff see that! Itchy trigger finger.
1 like@Jennifer Really? That's strange since there are approximately 150 million gun owners in the US while the Republican Party has approximately 72 million members. The 2nd Amendment applies to all American citizens who haven't forfeited their rights by committing a felony, not just those members of a certain party.
3 likes@Jennifer I'm not a conservative by any means, but I can't agree with that. And how do you own guns, and never touch them? Wouldn't you want to know how to properly handle a gun in the event you need to use it for self defense? Stop lying just to prove a point.
2 likesAlcohol will do that
1 likeNip the kid provoked it. Watch youtube videos about what happened and what he did. The trial is all there.
0 likes@Jaqen H'ghar Correct you are. The NEW conservatives are ideological culture warriors who are fueled by fear and looking for ANY reason to be the victim...and are over-reactive because they lack prognostic. logical cognitive-thinking skills. All that is POLAR opposite of what the conservatives were in this country just a couple decades ago.
4 likes+Kling. An average hidden carrier then... /sarcasm
1 likeI don't actually know what mealy mouthed means
0 likes@catch 2022 Spelled with a hyphen, "mealy-mouthed" or as a single word, "mealymouthed". Def. Unwilling to state facts or opinions simply, directly, and with sincerity; communicates in a deceitful and disingenuous manner; speaks with a forked-tongue.
1 likeAs a legal conceal carrier who has my firearm every waking moment on my (unless where not legally allowed), people like this make me sick to my stomach. This is what gives responsible gun owners a bad name.
1 like@Jennifer Yea gotta agree, I own a 1911 and over 5k rounds of ammo but never shoot.
2 likes@Rhea B I'm a conservative. But to be fair almost all others like me all have dreams of self defense. Nothing wrong with it, but obsessing on it can be dangerous.
1 like@James Soltis I think you are on to something.
1 likeGuilty as sin. Guys like these are horrible for the 2A rights.
0 likes“They’re all fine.” Yeah, no they’re not. They witnessed the murder of one of their friends. Nobody is “fine” after that kind of trauma.
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People who have to kill in self defense are also not "fine". It's super traumatic to them. If I had to do something like that, I would be so messed up I wouldn't eat anything for a week, but this guy was ordering pizza that same night. He's clearly a psychopath who wanted to do something like this for years and finally got his chance.
96 likes@wewd yeah, seems like he’s missing a crucial section of his brain.
8 likes@jeff k tf?
5 likes@Eminator Studios It's a satirical comment.
5 likesIf you're talking about what the detective said, he clearly meant fine as in, they didn't get any bullet wounds
2 likesI think they meant physically but yeah they’re traumatized for life now
3 likeshis friends are probably better off without him. I do feel sorry for them for their trauma and for Rhonda, I just have no sympathy for either psychopath michael nor death threat guy
1 like@wewd exactly. If I killed in self defense, I’d feel that I would never forgive myself for it
0 likes@Peter Löwenbräu Griffin except there is no evidence that the victim ever threatened Michael Dunn.
3 likesJust him saying that's how it happened.
The saddest part about the whole story is the mother of the young kid I fell so bad for here
0 likesWell I guess death happens lol
0 likesSo anyway, I started blasting.
0 likesIt’s disgusting he really thought he was going to get away with this.
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Definitely! I think the suspects racism plays into both why he felt so threatened by a car full of boys and his callous interview responses with the detective. He might not see African Americans as equal
11 likes@memomorph so far I don't see how racism plays into it. I think that if a couple of "thuggish looking white guys were blasting music at a gas station he would have had the same reaction. He's a text book narcissist, and I guarantee you he treats everyone he sees as a "thug" equally as bad. Sure, he could very well be a racist, but there's really no indication of such.
1 likeCharles Darwin there were most definitely racist undertones with calling it thug music and feeling threatened by a group of black men.
2 likesI think it’s pretty funny
0 likesThe man who's "Witness 7" and said he saw the red durango, heard the loud music and "didn't want to deal with it" was easily the smartest person in this whole situation. If a tense situation is present and you're not involved, just avoid it.
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What drives me mad is that he literally had to deal with the music for like what, 5 minutes?? And he would of drove away and would probably never see them again..smh
6 likesI am a white man from Europe, living in a 99.8% white comunity. But even I can see that this guy was clinging onto a privilege he felt he had in that moment to feel fairly superior to that bunch of teenagers. And it wasn't the age angle. I wonder if he ever realized the music was just a frame for the culture had to teach a lesson.
6 likesAlso, well played as a victim, bro! Just think of the heartfelt tear he shed for the dog. Devastating.
He feared so much for his life that when one of the guys supposedly said ‘I’m gonna kill you’, he rolled DOWN his window.
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@Rebecca Buschhorn Or...you know...drive a little further. He's in a box that can move to another position after all lol
6 likesExactly.... he is a hot head who was itching to use his firearm.
8 likes@Rebecca Buschhorn You mean he was a nobody with a gun. Now he's just a nobody with no gun and no key to his door.
2 likesRichard Porter You sound like a hater as well. Not surprising though, there are lots of you out there. Just hope you can hold your temper, else you could end up in jail for the rest of your life like Michael Dunn.
1 likeThis is KEY and I hope they mentioned this during his trial
1 likeI don’t know why you are jumping down Richard’s throat you harridans. He just provided the shooter’s likely rationale for rolling down his window. No need to jump him for perceived wrong think lol
0 likes@V J it's "rolled" haha because back in the day we used to have to turn a crank to literally roll down the windows in the car. Old school
2 likesYeah, that plastic window is going to protect you from 4 determined thugs.
0 likesWithout Rhonda's testimony, he still didn't have a case but I'm glad she told the truth.
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It was really brave of her to tell the truth when they asked her if Dunn had told her about the kids having a gun, especially with her psychotic fiance right there
12 likesDead 17 year old and his response to being charged is
2074 likes“ that sucks “
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Unbelievable but believable
19 likesBefore finishing the video I thought this comment was just a paraphrase but holy shit he actually said that (48:01)
40 likesYeah, it's clear he doesn't care that he died
8 likesI mean it's just a 17 year old thug right?
10 likes@Crispy . sarcasm! I'm just kinda roleplaying a sympathizer for our murderer here.
8 likesI mean for him it does suck
1 likeI mean he's not wrong
1 like@Meep Meep wanna rp as a skinny Japanese girl
1 likeWhat would be your response?
0 likesI mean, it's not really situation for which you have appropriate response. He just muttered it to not be silent I guess.
1 like@Aleksei Barulin this is the sickest!
0 likesHow about he a knowledge the three young men who had to watch their friend die- or perhaps the agony and pain the parent’s feel. “That sucks”- he is exactly where he should be.
0 likes@ctx I think, emotions takes too much energy, he just way too exausted to give any other response.
0 likes“I refuse to be a victim here.”
1184 likes*spends the rest of the call crying about how he’s a victim*
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Thanks for getting it right
2 likesLol
0 likesyou’re right jesus
0 likes😂😂😂
0 likesThat’s why I cannot have gun! I can’t handle an argument or a threat. A lot of people are like me too. It’s best to assume everyone else has gun and know that I don’t so I can just let things go or try to avoid trouble altogether.
0 likeshe actually said "i refused to be the victim". meaning he was not going to be the victim here, hence why he grabbed his gun and shot at those poor kids.
0 likesEspecially in the shower...
0 likesSo she doesn't sound like a kitten all the time
0 likesThank you for covering this. Holy shit, I remember hearing about this right after it happened and it just made me sick. Murders, killings, death, all are upsetting. But something about this one stuck out and made me especially sad and baffled and horrified.
45 likesHe killed a boy for pride. Drunken, racist pride.
And that just haunts me.
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I doubt he was drunk if he really only had 4 rum and cokes at the wedding in 3 hours time. That's how many drinks Rhonda said he had and she didn't lie about anything else.
0 likes@stides40 Also what's race got to do with this case? x
0 likes“who reached for the barrel”
421 likes“well i’m hoping it was the guy i hit”
i’m beyond disgusted, he knew he wanted to kill him
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also futher incriminating himself as he just admitted he had no idea who reached for the barrel, because noone did
30 likesFacts he killed the kid with the most mouth. Shooting him three times was not a Coincidence .
9 likesThat’s the point if someone’s pointing a gun at you?
0 likes@Bari actually it wouldn’t. Him saying that is him claiming he believed someone did actually reach for the barrel he just didn’t know who.
0 likes@dom. there was no barrel
0 likesHe is repulsive. You can tell that he thought he could talk the cops into sympathizing with him and walk out of there a free man. He's just oozing with entitled hubris. He's absolutely not sorry that he took the life of a 17-yr. old kid.
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Nail on head
3 likes@Zachary Odom This young man was not someone to implicate in his lies by saying something like he was afraid for life and everyone in the car. Who knows how the mind of a liar works? His entire story was spun out if whole cloth. It would be naive to think that juries aren't somewhat influenced by a person's background. The more the defense can dirty up the young men in that car, the more they would salivate over it. They were barking up the wrong tree with this young person. They didn't have anything against him to try to present him in an unsympathetic light! I'm looking at this through the eyes of a defense lawyer not as someone with a moral compass. I don't think anyone should be murdered, unless it's in self-defense. Since my statement wasn't clear, I'll amend it or delete it.
1 likeMale Karen = MattDunn
0 likesHe was even bragging about his marksmanship and "training" to create some sort of bond with the cops
2 likesCan you turn that shooting down
1 likeI was so terrified and thought my life was in danger that I fled to my hotel, ordered a pizza, took my little dog for a walk, played some Candy Crush on my phone, and then went to bed and slept soundly till the next day. So scared.
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Pretty much what happened
17 likesGoodpoint.
6 likesImagine putting the person you "love" so much through this hell, attempting to coax her into committing perjury and lie to the faces of two parents of the kid you murdered.
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Imagine if she married him and he ever "lost his temper" with her... I think he wouldve tried to cover up his crime just like he tried to do here
10 likesJames Baz you know damn well that wasn’t the point of their comment you ignoramus
3 likesImagine being..DEAD?!?! 🤯🤯🤯
2 likes@Matthew Smith justtt imagine non - EXISTENCE
0 likesI could never even imagine doing that! I’d only be thinking “OMG! I killed someone?!?!? OMG!”
0 likes@sylvia puppysticker Imagine if he'd treat her the same way he treated his ex-wives.
0 likesOh michael what have you dunn...
7 likessorry
"Who reached down and picked the gun up?"
308 likes"Well, hopefully it was the guy I hit..."
This monster's callousness is only matched by his idiocy.
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Diamond Axe Studios Music Yeah that statement was a huge Red Flag! Huge! For someone trying to play the victim that was a huge slip.
15 likesI hope you meant to write gun instead of fun...
3 likesFirst guy, "I heard loud music. I didn't want to deal with it so I went somewhere else". THAT'S the way you deal with this situation like an adult.
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Exactly not poppin shots off
24 likesNo even an adult, any rational human being would know how to find the proper solution to the issue
81 likesYep. I mean even if i was annoyed by the rudely loud music I would still say nothing. Just get what you need and leave. (And yes i think anyone playing music super loud to where everyone near by can hear it is rude. And its usually teenagers.)
55 likes@E. Sterling especially in areas where people come and go. If it were a residential situation, that'd be different but even then a firearm shouldn't be brandished or used even in that situation. This guy deserves time.
23 likes@E. Sterling also this guy seemed so much more guilty because his ego was more important then him not looking guilty
4 likesliterally like 😭 its a parking lot he literally couldve just drove to a different spot or even to a different store but he acted like he was stuck beside them in an enclosed space. he was absolutely looking for an altercation
21 likes@OB Juan Exactly.
0 likes@Derek _ Yeah it wasnt a good look.
0 likes@E. Sterling Yeah “the victim and the victor.” It’s out of control
8 likesOr appreciate the different culture. If it's just music, might as well absorb what other people enjoy and try understanding their interests.
8 likesA man politely asks a fellow man to turn his loud music down, the other man is polite and turns the music down, then the thug in the back seat had to start problems and threaten to kill because he didnt want the music down, and a man prepared to defend himself and out of fear overreacted. To bad the thug in the backseat didnt just keep his mouth shut
18 likes@No View right but still their was no need to pull out a gun and shoot either
3 likes@No View there was at least a teen in there. Young people are usually immature. This guy is racist. If they really were planning on shooting on him they couldve shot back at least once. He was calm, and he had time to shoot. This was disgusting especially the amount of times he shot
24 likes@Jason B I'm sorry, what?
6 likes@Jason B Yeah but thing is most people HAVE listened to other music and know what they like and dont like. They dont need educated by random people about different types. Its incredibly rude and selfish to blast your music so loud and not care that its disturbing other people. Doing that is saying i only care about MY wants, and just disregarding anyone elses. A lot time that selfishness goes away with maturity. Theres a reason why we dont drive down the street and constantly hear everyones car blaring loud music, (whether rap, classical, rock etc.) And thats because its largely accepted that its rude. And for example i highly doubt those teens (in this specific case) would have enjoyed listening to someone else in that parking lot playing loud operatic music. They too would have been annoyed. (And I'm not defending this guys behavior btw.)
10 likesEven if you had to stay for a minute or two you can listen to your own music or tune it out. It's not that hard. I do it all the time when people blast country or mumble rap.
3 likesAlcohol and a gun makes superheros out of mere mortals
7 likes@E. Sterling then what exactly are you defending?? Teens being teens?? Yeah they should learn more respect. But Id assume that when something bothers u, u leave. Not shoot someone.
5 likesWhenever I get told I'm under arrest for murder and attempted murder I always say "well that sucks."
2 likesYou should respect other people, and turn ya music down. Plus that man should have just rolled his windows up, and played his music up loud.
3 likes@Angel_eyes65 something tells me the white dude's 'system' probably was stock. 🤣🤣
2 likes@Marco Im guessing you didnt fully read my original comment. Maybe you should do that before you start questioning me.
1 like@No View here's the same scenario under different light... An intoxicated man with an admitted hate of what he categorized as "thug music" passive-aggressively requests strangers who are enjoying themselves to turn down their music for his agitated sake. The first young man complies, the other young man protests (within his rights to do so) and the intoxicated man rolls down his window to confront the protesting young man. Why? Pride? Liquid balls? Had he not had the gun in the glovebox, what options would he have had? Exit the vehicle and have a physical confrontation with the agitated teen? But since he had the gun, he escalates, as the investigator said, from 0-100 and never stopped at 50. Too bad they didn't get his BAC at the time it happened, because I'm sure the rum & cokes he had were a big contribution to his thought process and actions. Too bad the intoxicated thug with the gun didn't just keep his window up and his temper down.
11 likesNah, the proper way to deal with loud music in a parking lot is ignore it. lol
3 likes@No View eye witness testified that it was Dunn who was shouting, didn’t hear those kids say anything threatening. His own fiancé testified that he made no mention of any gun waved at him. Why don’t YOU keep your mouth shut
6 likesMe depending on my mood.
1 likePlay an even louder music so they will know how it feels and consciously aware until they turn it off themselves.
Grab my ear phones.
But you can’t if they got four Ak-47’s and flashing gangsta signs! And don’t forget, they were all wearing matching bandannas...
0 likesOr you could remember when you were a teenager how you liked loud music
2 likes@No View the only “thug” in this situation is the one that murdered a 17 year old child.
1 like@Tucker Im 23 about to be 24 and I play my music loud sometimes too. Just because someone else is annoyed doesn't mean you have to not be happy. I think its just crazy this kid had to lose his life bc of some racist white man in a bad mood.
2 likes@bryanna graham I am in my 60s and I can still remember playing very loud music, it was called the "devils" music back then 😂
0 likesTrue, not fucking shooting someone to get the “thug music” turned off
0 likesThe initial exchange was handled like an adult where he asked and they complied. The guy turning it back up and talking back about the situation was childish. Shooting the guy for being childish was criminal
0 likes@Lobuttomize He wasn't acting childish, he was a child. Even a grown adult would be annoyed by a crusty old dude screaming at them for no reason, obviously a teenage boy isn't going to respond with unquestioned compliance and agreement. Nobody reacts politely to negative confrontation.
1 like@OliveBranch You know children can act childish? And nobody said he yelled at them when he requested they turn it down initially
0 likes@Lobuttomize There is witness testimony stating that the only person they heard yelling was him yelling at the boys. There was nothing childish about their behavior. Refusing to listen to a screaming old stranger isn't childish.
1 like@OliveBranch Did it say he did initially? The witness says he said something like "Can you turn the music down, I can't hear myself think." After they turned it back up they likely got into a yelling match. Either way, turning music already turned down back up to be obstinate and purposely annoy somebody-
0 likeseven if they were rude-is childish@Lobuttomize Whether he yelled at them immediately or slightly after he came back, he was still the instigator and was still extremely confrontational and rude. No logical person would have any reason to listen to him. You're assuming they only turned the music up to agitate him, but they already had the music up. They didn't turn it up to a higher volume, they returned it to the volume it was already at before he even got there. That's not them being antagonistic or childish. That's them being stubborn at worst, which they were well within their right to do, considering he was an aggressive stranger.
1 like@OliveBranch You're very clearly letting your bias influence you on this. The one kid turned it off because it's the polite thing to do. The other kid, even according to his friends, was acting up by turning it back up and saying stuff like "fuck him," obviously loudly enough for the shooter to hear him. If you genuinely believe that turning the radio back up to the level that was bothering another person who asked that you turn it down is an adult thing to do, you're childish as well
0 likes@Lobuttomize There is nothing to be biased about. I would say this even if nobody had died, even if it was two white kids and an old black guy, etc. This is basic common sense. "Polite" implies that it is a part of some kind of etiquette or courtesy. Placating a violently angry, adult stranger who is rude to you and your teenage friends is not a part of curtesy or etiquette. They had absolutely zero reason to listen to him, nor did they need to. In certain self defense classes, you're actually taught to ignore those types of people completely. So, no, it wasn't childish. Also, he said "Fuck him" privately to his friends as he told them that old guy's opinion didn't matter, and that they deserved to have their music turned back up. He said "Fuck you" loudly in response to when the guy returned and told them to turn it back down again. You're talking about two different parts of the situation. That's not antagonistic, nor is it childish. He had quite literally every reason not to listen to him. The only thing he shouldn't have done was respond to him verbally, because he didn't deserve to be acknowledged.
1 like@Jason B lolwhat? i listen to my music while not bothering others, so i expect others to behave the same way. if they're "enjoying loud music" and if they are bothering me, they should turn it down, otherwise they're not respecting others and not just "the part of the different culture"
0 likescrocodile tears
1 likeHe kinda looks like Shane Dawson
0 likesIronically he is going to live in a place where it is never quiet. Ever.
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Ever... Protective Custody for the remainder of his life behind bars.
2 likes@Michael Trenton ones who are slamming shyt around at night tryna keep people awake are gonna have to keep that same energy when they lights come on so its not gonna be an every night thing. Every prison is different though and every pod is different. If you're n a dorm or pod with alot of young kids who are up all night then you'll prolly have some issues if u want it to stop
16 likesThey gonna be playing the same type of music that he shot that kid over
27 likesHe's most likely going to be be in PC for the rest life. 23 hour lockdown. He definitely isn't going GP
12 likesHaha! Nelson Muntz pointing.>
1 likeFacts
1 likeEVER!!!! Frfr
1 likeGonna be surrounded by a whole bunch of thugs now 😂
11 likes@Caleb Compton why is that? Why is he in protective custody? And not GP?
2 likesExactly!!! Loud music eh ? Yea okay, I can't imagine what he'l be hearing from now on in prison!
1 like@lifeisgood070 The other inmates would probably try to knife him...because of what he did.....there is nothing heroic in killing a kid, who meant no harm.....also he is not exactly a 'gang' person, so he would definitely be taken advantage of by other experienced inmates.
5 likesI can vouch for this mr magne is correct.
1 likeFucking NEVER!!!! Great karma...🤣🤣🤣
1 like@lifeisgood070
2 likesHe'll probably request it. All you have to do is say you fear for your life.
Yup
0 likesExactly and MUSIC 🎶 😂
0 likesDeep
0 likesImagine how
0 likesI picture Eddie Murphy singing Roxanne with his headphones on. (48 Hours)
4 likes@Caleb Compton That sent me into panic mode, but he deserves it. It's just more than I can stand to think about if I had to do it.
0 likes@lifeisgood070 cause he's not going to want to hook up with the white boys in prison and put in work, but if he doesn't, the brothers in there are gonna want to split his motherfuckin cap wide open. I mean, that was basically a hate crime.
4 likes24 to a pod not ever a chance everyone is going to be quiet all night
1 likeFirst night getting used to the noise in any prison is shit as fuck!
0 likes🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂
1 likeHes gonna hear "thug music" as he calls it 24/7, he better learn to like it. Theres talented rappers in prison, and producers, they can make a sick beat with with only a pen and a desk top.
3 likesMichael Trenton Uncle Ruckus?
1 likeCaleb Compton why not gp?
0 likesI think he's underestimating his ability to have gotten that kid angry enough to advance on him.
0 likes@lifeisgood070 since Dahmer got killed in prison. Most if not all high profile inmates are segregated. Thats prison though. Most jails don't give a fuck who you are and u need to request protective custody.
1 likeThe weeping and gnashing of teeth, I can imagine hell would be pretty loud
0 likesTrust me! Prisoners do NOT like people who kill children!especially for playing loud music, they will open him up like a tin of tuna.
2 likes@Abraar Shah won't get within 5 locked doors of him. Prisoners don't run the prisons, you are aware of that right? I'm guessing you get 100% of your knowledge of prisons from movies and TV.
0 likes@Caleb Compton why is this?
0 likes@Michael Trenton y'all thinkin of the holding cells with drunks and addicts going through withdraws. Once you are transfered to either your cell or your pod, a room full of about 20 bunk beds, things end up normal. Most people aren't in for life and prefer to keep a normal and usually very clean living space. Give respect and get respect. I was in for 1 week and it was more quiet than my own household at night.
2 likes@Isidro salas they probably do it worse there . as they are usually mad . and bang on the doors and walls
0 likes@They_Call_Me_ Pebbles correct. Thats why I differentiated between them. Take a reading comprehension course.
0 likesIf I was his jailmate and found out who he was...guess who playing tupac after hours!!😂😂😂😂😯
0 likes@Gloria0082 yeah because thats what happens in prison. Just hanging out playing music at all hours.
0 likes@JayblesTO i was just being silly😒
0 likesWith thugs
0 likesYep I'm sure he hears all kinds of hip hop nowadays. Even if its only someone rapping at the next table.
3 likesMy money is on he doesn't complain anymore.
Caleb Compton idk law that well why would they no put him in the general population?
0 likes@Michael Trenton Baby, he is in Florida lmao. Florida has some of the most dangerous prisons. He will be a maximum security.
1 likeIf he was legitimately in danger, and reacted in self defense, he wouldn't have fled the scene then left the county the next morning.
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@Gene Clark ideally, innocent people who exercised their right to protected themselves with lethal force legally. Why have most of the replies to this comment been in defense of a guy that murdered someone? Did you watch this whole video? Or just scroll to the comments to reply without context?
5 likesPlus once the "danger" is driving away from you, you can't keep shooting at the car.
6 likes@Sherry Drake well, you can, but it doesn't help your "self defense" claim. Also, thank you for watching the whole video before commenting.
1 likeThose are two completely different cases buddy. Drejka was assaulted, then shot. Michael Dunn shot at teenagers who he claimed "threatened" him with words. Not even close to the same.
0 likes@15:12...oh I can't hear anything he's saying but there was a lot of fuck him and fuck that which obviously insulted me. oh wait shit.
0 likesThis guy is completely delusional and lives in his own bubble. He's convinced that the police would find some weapon on them (to help his case) just because he thinks they're thugs for cussing at him and yet he's the one who kills in cold blood just like that. How do you live like that?
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I think he is going on the Karen theory is you see someone who is black and you are in fear of their blackness therefore you are justified in your actions despite the outcome and the presence of eminent danger
24 likesin prison.
1 likeisnt it what we call ''white priveledge''?
0 likesthis is just sad. Just some kids listening to music. who cares what they were listening to or what they were doing. People have fought for our freedom just so we can do this. but then you have these bigots....what a shame
0 likesImagine feel so entitled, so self centered that you sit in your car with a bunch of others sitting in their car and you believe you have the power to control what happens in their vehicle all because of what YOU PREFER at that very moment. I hope this guy gets everything he deserves, in the worst way
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Think about his ears. The pain it must have felt. Come on!
11 likes@Daisx Flywalker lol yeah I thought he said his ear drums blew out
4 likes@0 1 I hope you're being sarcastic lol
24 likesOn second thought, I'll built an expensive sound system into my car, park it in front of your house with windows open at 7AM blasting Dutch hardcore for the whole day. If you say anything to me, you're wrong.
13 likes@Bill Lumbergh because that and sitting by someone playing music at the gas station are the same thing
29 likesMilton Waddams his fiancé was inside buying a bottle of wine that would easily take 5 minutes
3 likeswell said!!!
0 likes@Dave Skeet yeah it's like he was ready for an altercation, I guess since he had a gun
5 likes@Mandy Candy No it's not life and no I don't have to tolerate it. I've dealt with it through legal means and I've won.
7 likesAlso, that is not how property works. A car is not the same as a house. This is why a car can be towed for a parking violation. Your property or not, does not matter.
@cal c So now you have extra rules, what else do you have? In most civilized countries disturbance/noise pollution laws apply at all hours in all locations.
4 likes@Bill Lumbergh this
1 like@Bill Lumbergh and this
0 likesMilton Waddams I wouldn’t mind Dutch hardcore though. And you can do whatever you want ‘till 22:00.
1 likenah, noise complaints are a real issue when it comes to liberty infringement. it's illegal to interfere with people's environment to a certain extent, and that extent can be reached with noise. we structure our law around the concept of liberty and property, and if you are making it so that someone cannot hear anything but you on their property, or have enough quiet to sleep for example, you are arguably violating their property rights. it's a grey area when it comes to liberty and property infringement. i'm not saying the killer is right, in this case i think he's in the wrong, but don't act like there isn't any merit to noise complaints
7 likes@Autonomous Thought you said it yourself "on their property ", I guess you must be referring to his example. Once again they weren't on their property. That null and voids your argument. They were playing loud music inside of their car parked outside a gas station that had a customer inside. they were doing nothing illegal
7 likes@Mandy Candy so if he doesn't like thug music, he should leave and have to go to another place inconveniently? nah. there are 2 different issues here. one is him having a problem with the music. he didn't say they were violating his liberty or anything when they were playing the music. he acknowledged they had the right to play the music, and that is evident by the fact that he asked them to turn it down. there isn't anything seriously wrong with him having a problem with the music. the issue is that he fucking killed people, that's the issue here, not whether or not he's in the right asking them to turn down the music. that's the major issue here, whether or not he has a claim to self defense, which is really completely unrelated to the music, they either seriously threatened him or didn't
7 likes@Autonomous Thought incovenient but its life. He couldn't control himself towards the point a kid got killed, all because be didn't like their "thug music". Its childish. the guy commented and made this about him and his situation, which kinda shifted my discussion. My point was and still is, that man felt entitled like he had the power to make those black kids turn their music down, in a public setting. And still felt no remorse after he exaggerated the events and learned there was no gun. He'll have his karma as he serves his time
8 likes@Mandy Candy a person's property includes their body
5 likes@Autonomous Thought and if you read my comments I mentioned no one deserved to die, the cops should've been called. I am aware of the proper protocol.
8 likes@Mandy Candy also on public property, public is a key word, it's payed for by the public via taxation, so they should have a right to the benefits of the property to a certain extent, again i don't think they were wrong to be playing music, i'm just pointing out that it's a somewhat grey area, it's not completely ridiculous for someone to be bothered by loud noises, it is an actual grey area with some merit when it comes to property rights and liberty infringement. but also again, that's not the key issue here, the music issue isn't the big deal, whether or not the killing is self defense or murder is
4 likes@Mandy Candy again, no he didn't feel "entitled like he had the power to make those black kids turn their music down", he asked them, which is perfectly within his right and not necessarily wrong, not especially entitled. the fact that he asked them to turn it down is evidence that he is aware they have the right to keep it up. also you're using the word entitled like it makes any kind of point when it doesn't, people should feel entitled to things like freedom and liberty, entitlement isn't necessarily a bad thing, it's not as strong an argument as you seem to think it is to call someone entitled. you don't know what happened and neither do i. you don't know that the kid didn't have a shotgun that was later disposed of by the other kids before the cops got there. you do not know that the black kid wasn't threatening his life and pretending he had a gun. that kind of shit happens, trust me. you are overly confident that he's guilty and that they're innocent, and it's pretty clearly because you're indoctrinated into leftist racial mythology
5 likesAutonomous Thought solid facts
2 likesMilton Waddams - .... that is a different set of circumstances where there are noise disturbance laws. Also, I wouldn’t attempt to shoot a person for making noise. Call the police (in your hypothetical situation) or in this situation, drive away.
4 likesHe won't. Unfortunately, he's not good looking.
0 likes@Bill Lumbergh shooting someone because their music was loud? Because there was no reason to shoot in the first place? There was imminent threat
2 likes@Bill Lumbergh if his actions were so justified why's he doing 90 yrs plus a life sentence? Answer me that since you're so smart
3 likes5 minutes of loud music or a lifetime in prison? 'nuf said...:D
4 likes@Cali Girl lol basically
0 likes@Autonomous Thought I think you're using what appears to be 'logic' to obfuscate the fact that a man (of whatever race) got so upset by a bunch of kids (of whatever race) playing music, that he decided to take out a gun and shoot them. Since you accuse Mandy of being 'leftist', and to some extent brainwashed, let's remove race out of it.
2 likesThe fact of the case still remains that a man was so entitled to 5 minutes if peace that he shot a bunch of kids. Come on! Are you not able to see the insanity of this?
@Mandy Candy Same reason why people go to jail for small amounts of marijuana or people who torture animals are NOT jailed for years. The justice system is far from fair and just.
2 likes@Bill Lumbergh It's interesting to read your view on 'snowflake', saying that a man with a gun is no snowflake.
1 likeIn the East, we say 'the general is greatest who wins his wars without shedding a drop of blood'.
So a trigger-happy guy with such little self control that he pulls a gun in kids in a car is actually the weakest man. Because strength is about mastery of mind and body, regardless of circumstance. If he had really mastered his mind, he would not have reacted so harshly at a pit stop!
@Bill Lumbergh lol thanks for trolling, have a great night
3 likes@Anu Kal i think you're using what appears to be, extremely low IQ emotional gibberish, to change the story of what happened to a man killing someone because he didn't like the music they were playing, rather than a man killing someone because they threatened his life, because this new alternative narrative comforts you emotionally
5 likesHe makes me sad to be white
1 like@Anu Kal Sure, I can agree with that. But in the western modern sense of the term, it means someone who gets offended easily about things that don't concern them. This was not one of those cases.
2 likesGuys have pride and a code, so if someone insults you and laughs at you, you can expect repercussions. I'm not approving of his methods but just "letting it go" is also not a good way to go about it. If everyone just let's everything go in society, nothing would improve. And yes, 95%+ people are exactly like this and this is why they lead average insignificant lives.
@0 1 Please, I beg you, change your ways. Seriously. That's a terrible and dangerous mindset. Maybe you're joking though.
0 likes@Tom Steinhardt awww, you're sad to be white, steinhardt? we should just feel so bad right, us whites?
1 like@Nauzika lmao i almost couldn't believe this guy was actually saying that with that name
1 like@Jay Bee hey now, take it easy, he's only not white sometimes, like when it suits him
0 likes@Isis Montgomery yea cool but like what if he's actually telling the truth and they did threaten to kill him and pretend to have a gun and he genuinely shot in self defense, you'd still wish that upon him?
0 likes@Bill Lumbergh It's funny you go on to defend that a snowflake is someone who gets offended unnecessarily, but then justify this man's action with a 'code'. One could argue that a man who gets so upset by a bunch of unarmed teenagers is the real coward. I mean, you must have no mastery of mind body and spirit if every little thing gets you upset.
0 likesThe code of men in the East is that a real man never gets flustered, no matter what. You handle it calmly. Getting wildly angry over little things is something animals do. What distinguishes us from them is our power of self mastery.
@Anu Kal Yes, I'm aware of keeping the face. People grinning like idiots while being angry. You call that superior, I call it ridiculous.
0 likesYes, he obviously overreacted but I understand why. When you're tired, ask someone to do something nicely and then the teens start getting in your face, it's too much.
Funny how you don't apply the same logic in regard to the aggressive teens. If they just had kept their mouths shut and turned down the music, they'd be fine.
@Mandy Candy so it's boo hoo if someone expects loud music to be kept down because kids don't need or shouldn't have to be subjected to that kind of language. Boo hoo for anyone who doesn't want to hear cursing and murdering music screaming out someone else car but the car disrespecting all kids in earshot of their music is all good??? Ok got it
0 likesIf the last thing he's looking for is trouble, he wouldn't have even mentioned the music in the first place. It's a fucking gas station. You run in. You grab what you need. You leave. One of you is bound to leave in the next two minutes. I'm neurodivergent and extremely noise sensitive. I hate loud music it makes me irrationally angry and extremely anxious, but I would not have said anything to those boys. It's two minutes of discomfort in my life and they're just kids trying to have a good time
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He could’ve easily ignored the music for like 2 minutes, or however long it would take in the gas station and he would still be fine. He took a life just because. It’s not like you’re gonna be in the car forever.
41 likesI don't get the point in you mentioning that you are "neurodivergent". Even if loud noise bothers you, I am quite sure you or anyone else besides that drunk belligerent fool of a man, wouldn't have done something as heinous as that, even a majority of people wouldn't have interacted with the group if they were in that man's place.
6 likes@mell my point was simply that I get what it's like to be irritated by noise but no amount of irritation would ever justify what he did. I mentioned my neurodivergency because the amount of frustration I feel towards loud noises if completely irrational. So really, all I meant was that nothing he says can justify what he did. If I were to do what he did, even my psychiatrist explaining that I can't tolerate loud noises wouldn't be an excuse. I wasn't trying to say that I'm special, but I felt that the point was relevant to prove that nothing justifies the means he resorted to
69 likesExactly! I once left a gas station bc some crazy person had the music loud enough to rattle my teeth lol. I drove down the road to another station!
10 likesOr how about don't pull up in the spot RIGHT fucking next to them? The one witness even said they decided to park away because they didn't want to deal with the music. Nah, Mikey boy was trying to live out his fantasy. Hope it was worth it, enjoy that cement box.
31 likes@Connor Blake exactly! A sick fantasy. That’s why he got busted when the detective asked if he could have been imagining the “barrel.”
2 likes@mell neurodivergent people are much more sensitive to stimuli than neurotypical people. Probably pointed it out for context and/or to drive the fact home.
4 likes@MeefBeef ah i assumed those two words where the same neurodivergent and neurotypical. That was a mistake on my behalf
1 likeOr….pull into a different spot. Not that hard.
2 likes💯👏👏👏
0 likesThat's exactly what I do!
I won't even park next to someone at a gas station. For what? If there's multiple parking spots available? I don't mind walking a few extra steps. Or if I'm waiting in the car at a stop light or gas station and someone has there music extremely loud? I just roll the window up and go on about my day. Simple life. 👍
If he would of covered his ears with his fingers "lalalalalaallalalalalaalalal" then he would of been a free man walking his dog eating a fairly expensive dinner or pizza w his fiance but instead Mr. Music's too loud is rotting in jail like he deserves
2 likesThey could not playing music so loud either …. Gangsters
0 likes@Pepperkill Development Playing music loud makes you a “gangster” I guess… but I’m assuming you’re trolling or just raised to be racist so that’s all I’m gonna say to you lol
2 likesWell said, my adhd causes a lot of overstimulation and makes me feel irritable when music is too loud or too many sensory things are going on in general. Your point about managing it yourself and not losing your temper on people who are clearly not intentionally frustrating you is a valuable one, it takes real willpower sometimes!
0 likes@Leel does your adhd also make you abnormally sensitive to the texture of clothes or (consistency of) food
0 likesI am also neurodivergent and noise sensitive. The music may have irritated me to no end but never would I think of gunning down three kids over it.
1 likeThis woman didn't deserve to ever experience this. She's such a good woman.
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I completely disagree. She knew EXACTLY who he was, and was happy to aid and abet him before he got caught. He even left her alone for several hours after they got home, and yet she still didn't call the police.
33 likesAlso, she was legally obligated to testify, they weren't married, so spousal privilege doesn't apply. Same applies to the interrogation. You don't get brownie points for doing the bare minimum of basic human decency, especially if it's done only after you've exhausted every other option.
@Amelia Bee ok
10 likesThe best thing that came out of this situation is that sweet, loving, honest woman may have saved her own life as well as far as giving an honest testimony which likely resulted in them spliting up which is best b/c he displayed a quick flip of the switch with no control over his rage and his first form of defense is just to fuckin shoot so what if she pissed him off enough which clearly doesn’t take much it’s likely she would end up on the other side of that barrel where Jordan Davis once was all b/c he pissed the dude off! Unfortunately there is no positive to this other than so many lessons being learned BUT if one thinghaf to come out of this. Jordan Davis likely saved Rhonda’s (the fiancée) life as well by him showing his true colors to someone he knows nothing about soooo imagine if his fiancée pissed him off the least little bit so Davis’ is also a hero in this situation even know that doesn’t discount the pain/grief of what the family/friends are feeling! Love & Prayers to everyone involved in this situation including the fiancée of this monster!
4 likes@Amelia Bee You may be a strong person who would have handled it the correct way, but I think you are being a little hard on Dunn's fiance. I sense that Rhonda is a deeply insecure, fragile woman who may not have been used to being treated well, someone who might have been abused in the past (I wouldn't be at all surprised if Dunn was also abusive towards her at times....) Look how terrified she was on the stand and how timid she sounded on the phone when Dunn called her from jail.... Maybe Rhonda wanted to do the right thing when they returned to the hotel, and especially the next morning when they found out that Dunn had killed someone, but she may have been too fearful of angering him. (I can't imagine the emotional turmoil immediately upon finding out your hot-head idiot fiance just killed a teenager.) After all, look what happens when he gets pissed off, and Dunn had a reputation as a hothead before all this happened. I also think Dunn knew Rhonda would want to do the right thing -- he obviously knew she was angry and upset because he kept trying to reassure her on the way home...."I love you.... You know I love you...." In other words, "Please do not call the police on me!" In the end, Rhonda bravely told the truth on the stand to his detriment, and that was not an easy thing for her to do.
25 likesYou're good woman, I'm good man.
0 likesHm?
0 likes@Amelia Bee Wow, crazy how not everyone is just like you Amelia Bee, pretty crazy right??
10 likes@Amelia Bee I think you’re a little hard on her. I have no doubt that their relationship was entirely manipulative and that he hid all his bad qualities from her to create the illusion that he is a great guy, so that when he did act out, she’d wear rose-colored glasses until it was impossible for her to not see who he truly was. I honestly believe he took advantage of her kindness and had her build some sort of emotional dependence on him.
5 likes@My new channel The Lord works in mysterious ways....
1 like@Truth17John17 almost like he doesn’t exist…
3 likes@My new channel Maybe in your life, not in mine!
1 like@Amelia Bee And she stayed with him.
0 likesthe teenagers too. they were just having fun and that turned out horrible as one of their friends died.... all the victims in this case shouldn't have been involved my heart breaks for them.
0 likes"I was the victor and the victim." By which he meant: "I'm a racist, trigger-happy child murderer, and would've had more victims if the driver hadn't successfully gotten away from me, but also simultaneously believe I was attacked by the unarmed teenagers because they played loud [derogatory stereotype] music."
445 likesJordan, you deserved so much better, and I'm so sorry your life was taken that soon by such a horrible person. And to the driver, Tommy, you're a hero for being able to save the lives of everyone else in the car. To Rhonda, thank you for having a heart and for not letting that sad excuse of a man get away with murder
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Perfectly said!
5 likesthe only thing missing is the half-dozen N-words peppering his inner monologue
21 likesBest comment! For real... dead on. Driver is a hero, rhonda is cool, and cute(why was she with this psycho?) and dunn is just the absolute worst.
7 likesI have a feelimg he left the receptikn eatly cause his family didnt really want him there.
@Jefferson Ott If he were my family, I wouldn't have invited him in the first place. So you're probably right about the reception lol
6 likesMost perfect comment
0 likesthe first thing that makes him guilty is not calling the police HIMSELF. I think it just flows with logic that if you feel the need to fire your weapon in self defense, you should call the police. A. to explain what happened and take responsibility for your actions PROactively. and B. To let the police know about the people you were defending against.
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That was my first thought too.
2 likesExactly....no excuse for leaving and not calling the police at all. Its obvious he knew he was wrong.
0 likesKilling someone and then say “I didn’t know that I was being charged with murder” 47:59 , I don’t know how to think about this, the audacity and entitlement he got are out of this world.
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He probably still thought the kid was a thug just because he was black and thought you don't go to jail If you kill a black person. He clearly saw no value in those lives.
29 likes@Mari G. Yes, and that was horrible. I don't know whether he is so ignorant or in full denial. The whole situation is just unbelievable to me.
4 likesWow
0 likesHe appears so smug. He was not in danger. He could have driven away, he could have gone into the store…he was looking for a fight and murdered a teenager
159 likesWhat really struck me was 23:48 when the Black detective starts speaking, Michael waits a second or two and then turns his attention to him. He's visibly annoyed and doesn't want to listen or interact with him. This guy is a real piece of sh*t.
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I saw that.
8 likesMan real s—t! He did that the whole time talking to him! You can tell he didn’t respect him
11 likesYou're right, I saw that too!
2 likesHe also displays the most nervous body language when the black cop Is talking to him and seems to "shrink" into the wall the longer the conversation goes...his behavior was telling
9 likesGood eye lol
0 likesthank god for the fiancé's honest testimony. it was obviously breaking her heart to testify against the love of her life, but she was honest regardless and helped to see justice served for that young man who wrongfully lost his life to senseless violence.
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i was sensing more of a fear of telling the truth... maybe its just me. i could see him threatening her.
7 likes@chellefell 13 you know what, now that you say that, i think that’s entirely plausible. he definitely gives off a “bully” energy.
6 likesmight even be a little bit of both!
@Fancy Pants so i did some research after i typed that to you... and yep. he was abusive to his previous wives, and very controlling
4 likes@Fancy Pants and i found out also, that his sons wedding was the first time that he had seen or talked to his son for 5 years. i couldnt find the source of the falling out though.... i tried, lol :)
3 likes@chellefell 13 Yikes! Another red flag. Yeah, definitely sounds like a really unpleasant person all around and I commend the fiancé all the more for speaking the truth despite the fact that he probably did scare her. Hey, thanks for following up on this convo with this new information! Really puts things in perspective.
4 likes@chellefell 13 thank you for that insight, it makes more sense. Maybe this is how poor Rhonda finally got out of that situation with him by being honest and getting his ass packed away for good.
0 likesIt's very annoying and interesting how this man destroyed his whole life over something so unnecessarily petty
429 likesEdit,: "But wut about the guy he killed" "HiS liFe WhO cArEs" I mean. The video is analysis of the suspect. And im curious. 🤷
Yeah. That sucks. But I mainly watch JCS to see criminal behavior and psychology.
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Not only his life. That man took a innocent life and traumatized tree other people!
75 likes@Kino Cartoon more than three
28 likeshis life? who cares about him. how about the others?
39 likes@squeaka67
5 likesYou think the death of a black teen is interesting? 🤔
@Frog Glen Why "interesting?" They never said that.
10 likesThat's why you don't drink when you have a gun on you...
3 likes@József Mozer Especially if you’re a bad guy like him - see previous comments. The teens had no criminal records. He’s a bad tempered liar - also stupid. Even I know not to talk to police without a lawyer.
0 likes@József Mozer that's why no civilian should have a gun, even regular people can go through rough times, arguments, mental issues , and end up impulsively killing others, guns make it so much easier to kill some one , all you need is move a finger
1 likeThat's what happens when you live a racist life
1 like@Geg Og im glad your opinion doesnt mean much when it comes to policy decisions. Also you should look up the survival rates for gunshots vs stab wounds, it might surprise you
0 likestheres absolutely no excuse for what he did, and the fact he thinks hes the victim is disgusting.
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And the fact that he claimed THEY were violent when he was the one shooting at them simply for the loud music.. it’s so sickening, makes my heart drop. Rest In Peace to that young man :(
9 likesThis is my first time hearing of this case and I love how JCS puts it all together. I am so sorry for the family of Jordan and for his life being cut short by an asshat with an ego problem as well as probable racist tendencies. I can't believe the story Michael tries to pass on as what went down and how entitled he must feel he is. It is awesome to see someone like him put in his place! Rhonda is a hero in this case for standing up for the truth even though it breaks her heart and led to her fiancés rightful life in jail. Michael doesn't deserve a life outside.
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Probable?
0 likesHe had CLEAR racist tendencies!
Man every time I watch these videos I am just so impressed with the psychological skill of the interrogators.
18 likesWith content as good as this I wanna know the man behind it all ! If this is edited , narrated , researched , and written all by the same guy this man is talented beyond comprehension and if it’s a team it’s equally as fucking amazing . We love you JCS, and keep up the unbelievably well done content.
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The narrator is just a voice actor, he has a channel under kizzume. He's a pretty interesting guy, I don't know about the rest of the te though.
1 likeThe heartbreak the of Rhonda feeling as if it is her fault because she was the one that said to pull into the gas station. Rest In Peace to the innocent life that was lost way too soon.
19 likesThis guy couldn't even to pretend any kind of remorse or sadness when the cops tell him there wasn't a gun in the car. He couldn't even pretend surprise. Nobody with half a brain can watch that and think that he ever believed himself to be in danger. He kept saying he was in fear for his life over and over again like it was a magic phrase to get him out of trouble. I'm really glad the cops and the jury were having none of it. Nothing can make up for the senseless murder of a child (or the traumatizing of three others) but sending this murderer to prison for the rest of his life with no chance of parole is the least a decent society can do for them.
10 likesSpeaking of, that black cop was incredibly entertaining. He had such incisive comments to bring Dunn's nonsene to a screeching halt while calling him on his bullshit. He lets the other cops ease Dunn into it but when the pressure's on he just makes it so clear that he knows EXACTLY what this asshole's game is and that he's not interested in playing.
Kudos to Rhonda, she kept it honest, and didn't lie whatsoever, I believe she sealed the deal in his conviction.
3 likesI feel so sorry for those boys having to experience such malice at the hands of his man
16 likesYou have a right to remain silent, anything you say can be used against you in a court of law...... I don't know why people disregard this right every single time.
6 likesYou are a good person Rhonda. Never doubt that.
8 likes2 hours into the interrogation after giving them his bullshit (woe is me, heroic act of vigilance) story "umm...do I need to get a lawyer?"
23 likesGood lord its should be illegal itself to be that stupid.
I feel bad for Rhonda, most women lie for they men. She TOLD THE TRUTH. Thank you lady.
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not sure if your profile pic is you but that eyeliner is iconic
0 likesIf you're gonna find yourself an honest partner with a heart of gold, you'd better make sure to be an honest person yourself.
8 likesIt's the monotone level of voice he speaks in to defend himself to the investigators. I feel like he knows he fucked up but dosent know how to get out of the situation. The investigators speak with intention and meaning behind what they say. Anybody could see how guilty this guy is
7 likesThrew his life away because he couldn’t mind his business for 5 minutes
17 likesGuilty suspects are far more likely to waive their rights and talk to the police than innocent ones -- and this is a perfect example of why. Dunn knows this isn't a straightforward case of self-defense. He has to not only come up with an explanation to satisfy investigators, but to also explain away the evidence against him.
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Thank god it works out like that. Not all of the time, but you really gotta be smart or have connections to get away with stuff like this.
0 likesWhen his lawyer asks him about his dog and he tears up I laughed out loud. That asshole sure shed no tears when he found out he killed a kid and that he had no weapon.
5 likes42:41 The hell?! He sys he felt threatened and feared for his life because of the boy going out of the car and going towards him. But then the police interrogator askes why he shot the doors if it's not the doors that allegedly may have endangered his life. And this man says it's because at some point the boy went back in... Wasn't his whole point that he felt threatened because the boy was outside?! Then why he is not shooting in that moment but when there is no one comming towards him?! 😤 Obviously he can't keep tracks of his lies.
6 likesIf he was the “victim” he would’ve called the police immediately after it happened
9 likesThe lighting and camera angles in the court room footage are impeccable.
4 likesso much respect for the lady. she told truth, altho could lie to protect him. Bless her heart ❤
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She knows soooo well
0 likesThat lying to professional would get her in trouble as well. One trouble is enough already. She's scared to go to jail by lying. One option: to tell the truth. Court can be scary. Look how she's shaking and speaking sooo slowly. It's intimidating to face that in court. Truth set ppl free
@John M i don't think that, i mean a lot of people know that lying is a crime but a lot of people choose to do that for people they love. ofc they get sentenced but when you love someone you will do things for love. even risk to lie. so respect to her.
1 like@TIFFA RAFFI yes respect her I do agree on that! However, different ppl use their judgement differently. Other may take the risk , and other really knows the consequences ( using their brain the way it's supposed to be not just the heart)...
0 likesFor exemple, as much as I love my girlfriend. If she commit a murder for exemple... I'm not supporting that. I will tell the truth. Because such a bug crime is tolerance Zero. And she has morals unlike other ppl...
1. She has morals
2. Ooooooh yessss wait until they find out you lied... big consequences coming.
3. It's just the right thing to do.
I'm not supporting a murderer whether it's my girlfriend or son...
We all have a choice in life. Hoping that each and everyone me the right choice.
Not to mention that, if his fiancé is able to kill a human being, she might be next . It shows her how that man is...killing someone over a loud music. Imagine if he think that she's cheating on him or wanna leave him. He would do the exact very same thing.
I live in Quebec /Canada. I'm so scared when I go visit the US. Impulsive ppl out there. Ready to shoot. Ppl born and raised with guns, not for me.
This bloke reminds me of the egotistical customers/clients you get in customer service. They want to take control, think they're always right..
4 likesAt 52:16 the defence makes a gesture to the defendant to start getting emotional, and thats exactly what Michael does and starts crying, or at least pretends to cry.
6 likesPeople need to learn from this and keep their anger under control
1 likeWhat an absolute clown, takes the life of an innocent black kid because he was on a power trip and didn’t like them defying his authority turning their music back up after he told them to turn it down.. then tries to get his wife to agree with him over a phone call because he’s insecure and wants justification for his actions. Seeing something you thought was a gun doesn’t make you a victim, you have to absolutely be sure of what you saw, because when you assume wrong and kill innocent people there is consequences. Rest In Peace to that young man , blasting loud music is freedom of expression
2 likesThe loud music in a gas station is antagonizing along with a arrogant driver can make anyone go off at times . Answer don't carry a gun it will bring out the Evil that will permanently damage you or others .
3 likesSo sorry about that expensive Bed & Breakfast you missed ...
9 likessaid no one ever.
The thing is I don’t think Rhonda should feel blame not just because she wouldn’t have known and it’s not her fault, but with a person like this in a big city, he would have done it eventually later on.
1 likeI have NEVER heard an actual victim say “You know what, I’m the victim here!”
5 likesCops are trained to operate from the presumption of guilt and impunity is granted if they for shooting an unarmed person in the back running if they believe at that point they were in fear for their life. Doesn't matter if there was a gun in the vehicle if he was operating under the belief there was one. If they supposedly threatened his life and he believed them to be inflicting bodily harm, injury, and or death lethal force would of been authorized at that point...guy musta had a piss poor lawyer. 🤷♂️
0 likesWas there a stick? Was there a broom handle? Was there a bat? Was there mop? Was there an extension pole? Was there a branch? Was the a ski pole? Let me ask you this, was there anything long in the vehicle and did you double check the area?
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Wrapping paper from last Christmas is most definitely what it was.
0 likesVERY interesting once again JCS. Thank you. Great site this.
2 likesWhat I find most baffling about this whole story, and many others like this, is how many people have guns just casually with them in their cars or whatever. Why did he have it in the first place? Basically everybody has a gun. It's just unbelievable. Why the guns?
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You're pretty much the first person to ask that. Which speaks volumes. That deadly force is so easily employed by so many is horrifying.
1 likeWe are allowed to.. it's in the constitution ya know? Lots of people have guns and lots of them do not. America is a big place..
1 likeFlori-duh.
1 like50:42 - 50:43 "I tought I was going to be killed. And I was like - where all this hostility comes from..." 👀 No, nobody who believes they're about to be killed any moment is asking themselves this! You react - freez from fear/shock, try to escape/save yourself or defend yourself/attack trying to prevent someone from hurting you! You don't just sit there analyzing what are the things that provoke the worst in human nature 😑 What a bullsh*t!
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51:46 This line with this intonation was like taken from a low rated movie. And why did he empahsize at "son of a b*tch" instead of "You're not gonna kill me" /I'll not let you kill me? For me it shows which part was true and which was made out. If he tough these are dangerous grown men, why he even went to tell them to turn down the music?! What was the urgency since it would take only minutes to drift parts anyway?! I believe he knew these are young teens but his ego was hurt. His unexisting autority was not taken seriously, he kept being the invisible person who nobody bothers to even notice let alone to kiss his *ss. On top of that he was not just being ignored but also called a "b*tch" (which he proves he is) so he decided to show how "powerful" he is and as a real man he shooted his gun against unarmed teens 😒
0 likesIf he tought they are so dangerous and were about to kill him, why after he "defended" himself he didn't call immediatly the police - to check if anyone is harmed and to make sure the guys won't go after him
0 likesbru fr the beginning caught me off guard. i rlly thought he was gone be the victim. but the only victims here were the people he shot at and mike’s car seat for having to endure him sitting on it😆🤢
2 likesTrying to play the calm, remorseful, victim of circumstance, but can't help but get those lines about his gunmanship and 'military training' from a friend. A couple rum and cokes and this guy definitely becomes unhinged.
0 likesThe main takeaway I get from this channel is to not talk to the cops
0 likesHis entire alibi destroyed by one word: "no"
5 likesAside from that you should never do what this SOB did; the lesson is also: NEVER TALK TO DETECTIVES WITHOUT A LAWYER! These guys thinking they can just improvise.... stupid
0 likesi love how she spoke against her own fiance.. justice enough :P
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She probably feels awful because it was her idea to stop to get a bottle of whine.
0 likesAsk a defense attourney "Was there ever a situation where you thought "Thank god my defendent speak to the police without me present"" and the laugh will tell you how delusional mister dunn was for this ;D
0 likesthis guy flushed his life down the toilet over loud music. That's definetly a special kind of stupid 🙄
4 likesAmerica!!!
4 likesNow, imagine if every other person on the street didn’t have a gun.
A slight misunderstanding or a confrontation wouldn’t end in death. There’s no ‘I had to shoot him because I feared for my life’
“Do I need to get a lawyer? It sounds like I’m in deep shit...” SIR YOU MURDERED A TEENAGER.
3 likesim gonna be a sociophsycological expert at the end of my lockdown after watching all these interrogation videos
1 likeMike has the same anger issues as Michael Douglas' character in the film Falling Down. That, or he thinks he's some sort of Dirty Harry. There's something seriously wrong with this guy & Rhonda did herself a big favour!
0 likes2 minutes into the video and I'm like, this Dunn guy is spending the rest of his life in prison. And that is where he belongs.
1 likeCrazy, murdering someone and throwing away your entire life (on top of ruining several others) over “thug music” that was too loud.
0 likesEveryone of your vids gets 10’s of millions of views. That’s got to worth some extra cash man! We want more!!
2 likesbig hugs to Rhonda I hope she's doing ok
1 likeHis response at 51:20 had me rolling on the floor goddamn this guy hatches up little graves for horseshit
1 likeThis seems unusually aesthetic and cinematic? And one of the attorneys sounds like Kevin Costner.
0 likesThe black cop's accent is amazing.
2 likesThis guy reminds me of Onision. The way he talks, the words he uses. Scary.
3 likesLife so stress free when you don’t kill anyone
2 likesAnd to think he was inside of a transportation machine at the time of fearing for his life.
0 likes"I shot at the door"
2 likes"What was the purpose of that?"
"Save my life?"
"From the door?"
why are detectives so funny sometimes?? TT . TT
like i dont wanna laugh but how could i not??
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0 likesThe mystery that keeps on bugging me in all of this is ‘ what did he get on the pizza? ‘.
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The mystery that keeps on bugging me in all of this is what song(s) was playing?
0 likesThis should be shown to everyone that is studying to b a cop
1 likeThe camera quality of the courtroom scenes look legit.
1 likeTHE WAY THE DETECTIVE IS JUST STARING AT HIM DUMBFOUNDED PLSSS literally the most horrible liar ive ever seen
0 likesAll that non training sure came in handy against these…
0 likeskids. Sounds about right. Glad John Wayne’s under the jail.
obviously the action was racially motivated, but, even if it wasn't, why shoot some random kids over some music? they have their rights.
2 likes"Do I need to get a lawyer ?..."
1 like😆😂🤣 This guy's funny as fuck.
Not funny that a 17 y.o. kid is dead though, all because this lard-ass has:
(i) a bad temper
(ii) no tolerance
(iii) a sense of entitlement
(iv) a piece in the glove-box
Cop: You have clearly murdered someone. Want a lawyer?
2 likesMurderer: nah I’m straight fam, let’s sit and talk for several hours.
This reminds me of an episode of South Park. The one where the Hicks want to shoot endangered animals. Or hunt outside of season. So they just yell "Shit! It's coming at us!!" and then shoot flamethrowers and rocket launchers at baby deers and penguins.
0 likesYou killed a kid!
2 likesMichael: Oh
Life is hard and I'm not perfect, but at least I can wake up everyday and think, "I haven't murdered unarmed people today".
1 likeHe was drunk or buzzed, he killed them,cause he was mad! Ya he's a murder.
3 likesOne day I'll find me a Rhonda, that lady kept it honest no matter what
0 likesI saw a large pile of single shot shotguns underneath a tree but as I got closer I realised it was actually a pile of sticks
1 likeExactly the ego we don't want packing heat. Power tripping scaredy cats with itchy fingers
2 likesToo much Clint Eastwood, John Wayne and war movies blurred reality for this guy. The American nightmare.
1 likeThrew his life away.
2 likesAh... I love justice.
1 likeIt breaks my brain when I try to understand what type of person would see themselves as a "victor" while making a prepaid phone call from the pokey.. Ahh yes, enjoy the spoils of victory from your new posh bachelor pad (aka a dirty, stinking jail cell), you dummy.. You've certainly earned them, lmao..
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ikr ? The 'victor', because he shot up a car and killed an unarmed kid in cold blood.
0 likesHow are you going to get mad over somebody Elsa playing loud music just move the car she wasn't going to be in the gas station forever maybe 10 minutes just deal with it life is about compromising with other people everything can't be the way you want to be all the time
1 likeDefinitely an uncalled for shooting!
0 likesI genuinely was watching a true crime drama on Netflix when I saw this notification come up, switched over so quick. This content is far superior to anything else out there.
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what were u watching ?
0 likesSo basically he killed a teenager because he didn't mind his own business!?! He couldn't get his gas & move on? So we got "Karl's" out here now?
2 likesMan, i kid you not, if it was me in that situation i would rather happen everything else except for me to be facing a murder charge
0 likes"Kill him!"
1 like"Excuse me, are you talking about me?"
🤣
2:20 he really sounds like every cop after shooting another unarmed black man 😪 “BUt I wAS thE ViCtiM”
0 likesWho would’ve thought Shoenice was a killer?
1 likeTommy turned the music down out of respect to an elder and that’s rare…if Michael had not had too much etoh….two sets of people out having fun times with family and friends…I just don’t get it. In the blink of an eye a young person dead and a middle aged professional man ended his life as he knew it. I hate loud loud rap music with that base that you can feel in your house. I want to shoot the speakers. If I’m in my car I just move along or turn up my country music. My dogs would really miss me if I didn’t make it home so…✌️✌️🤷🏼♀️
1 likeEvery lawyer watching this video is screaming at the defendant, 'Shut the f**k up!!!!'
0 likesA 17 year old kid, for god sakes. He had his whole life ahead of him. And he lost his life over a petty fucking argument??
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There was no argument. Just a trigger happy narcissist.
1 like@Gary morris I agree he was a trigger happy narcissist, but there was definitely an argument as stated by the victims and the witnesses, not that that in any way justifies murder
0 likes@Wolfy100 ...sure. But I guess what I meant was, no pistol, no confrontation and there would have been no so called argument. Common sense is to not park next to a car playing loud music. However, this joker had a gun and was buzzing from his rums and cokes which allowed him to challenge these kids. Wrong move on every level. Again, no gun, no "argument ". He would have went on his way.
0 likesSo we didn’t pick up on the fact he said... If I had told herself n the way to the hotel Intold her several times ... the If should have been pointed out by the D.A
0 likes"Kids listening to music?"
2 likesBANG BANG BANG
"Alright get in! We can't miss that fairly expensive breakfast!"
Its crazy how easy this could’ve been de escalates sad case man fr
0 likesHis fiance talks normal in the interrogation but tried talking all innocent on the stand.
0 likesThe poor dog 😭
1 likeAnger is a stupid emotion the human brain makes.
2 likesBrevard county is pronounced Brie-Vard for future reference. (Florida is a popular state for these sorts of things lol)
1 like12:42-13:02 Her voice went so quick to normal... Am I reading
0 likesNtoo much into it? Anyway, I have more than 40 mins more to watch but it is so sad... Most of the teens love laud music. No one deserves to die because of it! I remember another case where a man shot and killed his neighboor over laud music 😔
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The telephone conversation at the beginning sounded sow fake to me. It was like:"I know the call is recorded so I will tell what I want them to think that really happened"
0 likesGuess you never know when someone is gonna snap :/ hope im never the reason, and the target.
1 likeHe tried to use the "I feared for my life" defense which is commonly used against Black people no matter the circumstance even if that Black person is fleeing.
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How do we know racism is a factor?
0 likes@Elliot Nelson "I'm not racist you're racist for calling out racism!" Foh answer this as honestly as you can: Would Kyle Rittenhouse get treated like he's being treated if he were Black! Answer that question and be honest.
4 likes@Elliot Nelson
0 likesDon't mind me, I just want to have a pop up if your ever gather the guys to answer that question.
@Iron Will Sorry, I'm Indian. and, I love America
0 likes@Timmy Vawwter Yea sure you are... 😂
1 like@Iron Will Kyle Rittenhouse would get the same verdict no matter what his race is.
0 likes@Iron Will It would be ironic if he was an african american, imagine the headlines would be like BLM tries to attack black people who disagrees with them, not only that he was the one who is trying to help his community in Kenosha... It is quite clear to me that you never knew the facts of the Rittenhouse case dude.
0 likes@Lucius Aurelian I know it was self defense. I don't have a problem with anyone defending themselves. I also know the police couldn't locate him for a month. I know he was seen with the proud boys (white supremacists organization). I know he went to Kenosha with the intent to harm Black People. I'm not seeing your point
1 like@Iron Will yeah, no this is what I meant, again he has no intent to hurt anybody there dude and what is it with claiming any organization such as the proud boys who is led by a hispanic as white supremacist ?? And again Kyle Rittenhouse was not seen or collaborating with anybody to do harm. Look dude his father lived in kenosha, his grandma too, and many of his close friends lived in Kenosha, he also works part time there, His intent was clear, to protect his community.
0 likes@Lucius Aurelian just because he's Latin doesn't mean he's not a self hating minority. He's never referred to himself as Cuban anyway. And I don't believe he's the actual leader.
1 like@Lucius Aurelian Hispanic is not a race, it's an ethnicity! There are white Hispanics, black Hispanics, and Asian Hispanics.
0 likes@Lucius Aurelian What's the definition of American nationalism?
0 likes@Iron Will Definetly not a democrat someone like Thomas Sowell and Candace Owens
0 likes@Lucius Aurelian Dems and Reps. Are both wings of the same bird. And the fact that you mentioned those two 🦝's tells me exactly what I thought of someone like you. I'm surprised you didn't also mention Larry Elder. You listen to a lot of Richard Spencer, & Jared Taylor I bet.
0 likes@Iron Will I am a Zionist if you don't know but hmmm... again its just so funny you calling both of them racoons it tells perfectly that you actually never listen to their ideas.
0 likes@Lucius Aurelian trust me I've listened to them. And believe me when I say that they're speaking for your people not mine.
0 likes@Lucius Aurelian Good for you, I'm sure you rationalize those claims after performing or participating in anti Black racism. Because despite what you claim to believe in; it won't trump your ideology.
0 likes@Iron Will its not claims it is fact that the more small the government the more free people would become. I never discriminate anyone as far as Im concerned its just your baseless assumption since every single person who disagrees with you are automatically "racist" or "white supremacist" in the end anyways.
0 likes@Lucius Aurelian Would Kyle Rittenhouse be receiving the same treatment if he were Black? Give me your honest answer. Without dancing around it
0 likes@Iron Will Yes he would, no matter what his race is.
0 likes@Iron Will I already told you the facts of the case anyways and the trial wasn't anything about race it is about self-defense.
0 likes@Iron Will HAHAHAHAHA I am Mizrahim but I guess you never even heard of the mizrahim and just spout every nonsense that the msm gives to you. The fact is that the status of the weapon would not be applicable to this case due to the wisconsin law on self defense, the trial would go the same way, no matter what his race
0 likesis. Second of all, he also already lived in kenosha since his father, close friends and grand mother lives there, he even worked there. Rittenhouse was there to help and if you watched the trial you could see that his actions actually helped the people who lived in Kenosha, But anyways thank you for the conversation.
Wow. What a great loyal wife. If you can't trust your other half to be at the plate for ya. What's the point. What a kick in the balls for this defendant. He a killer tho but dam. She was no mrs. Hill here.
0 likesIf the jury got to see his interrogation tape, why would his lawyer allow him to add all that extra dialogue? Him & his lawyer would’ve practiced all these questions.. I’m glad he shot himself in the foot during the trial but it just doesn’t make sense.
0 likesHow come this trial footage looks like a movie?
0 likesHe's the thug here clearly
2 likesHow entitled he is... First of all who the f is he to tell others how loud they should listen to music IN A PUBLIC SPACE?
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Yep. Let kids be kids, we've all been there, give them space, just ignore the noise or park somewhere else, live and let live, ffs.
2 likesWell he's never getting out, but if only it was 90 years for attempted murder, but without the youngster dying.
Sad day indeed. That said, wonder if they'll still blast music in parking lots.
0 likesRhonda is a real good woman and didnt deserve a monster like this. I'm glad she is free!
1 likeDo I need to get a lawyer?
0 likesGUILty, what a busybody dangerous person
1 likeThis guy looks and sounds like a politician...
1 likei hope all the other inmates are playing "thug music" loud af in there everyday for the rest of his life
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Considering that he wrote racist letters out of jail and seem to have gotten in an Isolation cell this might even have happened.
0 likesEdit: I forgot that they are probably aren't allowed to listen to music :/
Wonder how he is doing in prison.
0 likesIs anyone going to pin The blame on Charlie?
1 likeWhen keeping it real goes way wrong…
2 likesRhonda seems like a nice woman. She was shaking so hard. I feel bad she had to go through all this as well as the people killed. Its sad.
39 likesanother future research scientist bites the dust
0 likesRIP Jordan Russel Davis
1 likePeople call me a pushover, maybe even a bitch because when somebody is doing something around me like playing loud music that I don't like for the three seconds I'm around them, I don't say anything. But hey, guess what; I'm not the one being commented on for doing something stupid. 🤷 🤣
0 likesAfter doing what he did his last name was changed to Dumb.
1 likeI am so disgusted by this man
1 likeWhy would someone shoot at 3 teens for loud music dude.
0 likesI love how the homeboy on the witness stand is chewing gum- real classy!
0 likesRhonda is clearly devastated
0 likesDo not speak without council. Not even in a room by yourself
0 likesNo remorse for human life
0 likesThe lesson I'm getting out of this is
0 likesbe kind to your fellow man for you do not know if he has a 45 in the glove compartment.
Also, loud music kills.
57:10
0 likesHol' up, a 90 year sentence? Jesus.
Poor Rhonda
0 likesThey so lucked out, if ole boy had been a better shot or less drunk they would all be dead. Yeah, good advice I follow myself, don't mouth off to people in FL or TX, even their babies are armed.
1 like20:27 do you see it…
0 likesI think he started it
0 likesRhonda is an Angel !
0 likesThis guy is the only “thug” i see wouldn’t be surprised if their color also motivated him to see some kids judging their music cause it was probably black people music
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"Black people music" lol
0 likesBob Vance? Vance refrigeration?
3 likesThird "Michael" so far... (Watch out Michael "Mike" Vanderman, you might see a...stick at any minute)
0 likesI think this guy worked at Blizzard
1 likeThat poor woman.
0 likesMan talks like toby flederson
2 likesDid someone fart at 18.42 ?
2 likes51:45 and the Golden Raspberry goes to.........
0 likesFunny how he says he closes his window and can’t hear but then says the kid was cursing him out. Weird how he was able to “hear” that
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He heard what he wanted to hear to justify his actions, in his mind.
20 likesMental telepathy hahhahaa
0 likesRight he literally said when his window was up and he could hear the music all he could hear was the loud bass 💀💀 (in interview 1)
4 likes“I only shot at them 4 times, and then 4 more times as they were fleeing, that’s all I did. I don’t know how he died”
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i was so scared but i was still
101 likesable to load my handgun quick as a flash.
@walking olga well people who train with firearms train to operate them via muscle memory so fear might not necessarily be a factor, I know I could operate a firearm regardless of fear if my life was being threatened (or at least I hope I could) based on repetitive training. However don’t get me wrong, none of these factors apply this was clearly a murder and fear played no role, anger did.
20 likes@Keith Thom I agree, it does become a problem when said person is in “danger” yet is able to take the time to aim.
2 likes“I shot 8 times into a car with 4 people I didn’t think anyone would die though this is unfair I’m the victim”
20 likes@Zombies “yeah man I only shot 8 times, it usually takes 10 shots to kill a guy 🙄”
5 likes@Keith Thom I imagine your more likely to shoot an unidentified target out of fear, rather than not shooting at all. Maybe not..I guess it depends how second nature it is to reach for a weapon.
0 likesOn a side note, I punched my own mom in the face while the power was out, after she hid and scared me..
Im not sure if thats the same, but I obviously had no intention of throwing a punch.
@On the Rims well I think under ideal conditions you would have a clear cut threshold for an assailant where until that line is crossed you display your weapon and warn the would be attacker with authority in an attempt to deter an attack, but once that attacker proceeds with the attack you act decisively while attempting to balance both neutralizing the threat with not going further then necessary. Unfortunately life rarely plays out exactly how we would like it to. God forbid I ever end up in this situation, but if I did the first thing I would do after taking the shot is call the police, frisk the individual for weapons for my own safety and then provided that person is no longer a threat I would do my best to render medical aid whether that means CPR or a makeshift tourniquet. Those who carry for self defense need to always remember that the purpose is indeed SELF DEFENSE. You do everything you can to avoid firing, you only fire as much as is necessary, you NEVER fire out of anger and only out of necessity. The point is to avoid becoming a victim, not to victimize someone else.
0 likesAs to your comment about target ID your completely correct. Many people, myself included, believe that any firearm that will be used in self defense should have a light on it. Obviously that’s not always applicable but it’s dark 1/3 of the time and that seems to be when the criminals like to come out to play. Ultimately it comes down to one of the main rules of firearm safety, being “know you’re target and what’s behind it.” You simply CANNOT fire at what you cannot identify, and in this case the guy didn’t just fire at a man who was never a threat, he OPENED UP on a whole car full of teenagers and it’s a miracle that all those boys aren’t dead. There’s an unspoken code of conduct for people who carry firearms for defense and this guy violated every single rule and certainly doesn’t represent the gun community.
@On the Rims Punching can heavily be argued to be a reflex, yet with a gun there's a lot more in play that gives your mind time to say "wait hold up wtf are you doing?" The other fact that he shot after the car was driving away is fucking evil though, and kinda closes the case on it's own imo.
0 likes@walking olga racking a slide takes like one second at most
0 likes@UnknownGamer40464 that’s cool but it was still unnecessary for him to add as he recounted what happened that day
0 likesGive him a break, he was trying to save his life from a door.
0 likesThe worst part is, throughout the whole interview, he doesn’t ever show remorse, regret, sorrow, or shame for killing a 17 year old. Not even an ounce. Rot in jail bro
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Donna Mellick technical statistics show you would be more alive.
3 likesDonna Mellick we are not afraid, I’d say for the most part it is weariness. Unless it’s a cop. I stay way clear.
7 likesTread Knought it is creepy to see none though
1 likeTread Knought you’re poor lol
1 like@Tread Knought Pardon?
0 likes@Jesse K Sorry !I didn't mean to do that
1 like@Jesse K Ok, a hell of a lot of whites are scared of blacks. Better?
3 likes@Addie Alexander You are just arguing semantics, you are admitting you're afraid deep down. "Weariness" lol. Wording it like an 18th century aristocrat doesn't change that
4 likes@Donna Mellick the more I read about America, the more I think statements like these are correct for the most part :(
3 likesAddie Alexander in
0 likes@Barry Shitpeas "Weariness." is the word of an aristocrat??" and you think it means, afraid?? Wow!
4 likes@Adrian it is definitely a problem right now that we are trying to get through. I feel like (or at least I hope) that after the current situations become better that we it’ll be better. It’s not totally correct, but I would say in a lot of places it’s true, sadly.
0 likesEdit: Also, society makes it seem that way, so that’s another part of the problems right now. Hopefully the protests will make it all (at least a bit) better.
Addie Alexander they were right, at least definitely about the afraid part, at least in the context you put it in (in my opinion)
1 likeI'm not one to throw this word around, because I think it's just overused and saturated but.... he feels no remorse because he's a TRUE racist. That is what a real racist is. He hates black people and their culture and killing one to him was an accomplishment. He's not upset about the murder, he's upset about getting punished for it.
9 likesTypical psychopath.. I can tell from the recording of the phone call at the start.
3 likesHate is great ha ha👿👿👿
0 likesWithout empathy, there is absolutely no reason for remorse.
2 likesNah dude.
0 likesLike I appreciate what you mean on a purely humane level, but that's it, really bro. This guy, not even fucking once for a second, showed care he killed a human. During the whole thing I felt like he was caught slaughtering a hen for dinner.
That's what scary to me, he's lying like he's trying to justify backing over your dog last morning when he was taxing out of his garage.
Trey Kennedy : Because he has no remorse. In his mind, he got rid of one of "them".
1 like@Iron Shredder people have every right to get angry at racists
1 like@Donna Mellick Perhaps for good reason?
1 likeL
0 likesimagine fundraising inmates to deal with people like him ... the bathroom way, filming it and release it on thepiratebay?
0 likes@Donna Mellick i totally disagree with you... this guy would get recruited by KKC ( clan spells with a C moron) and ranked vice wizard on the spot after that achievement ( its not but it is for them) !
1 like@Jesse K word 👍
0 likesYeah the whole time he was just worried what others were going to think about him. He didn't give a second thought about the fact he ended a young man's life.
2 likesVantazzy I agree with most of what you said, that’s what generally intimidates white people, not the color of their skin, but more the behavior and attitude of SOME. But I don’t believe that it was fear that played the primary role, I think it was mostly anger and hate.
1 likeDonna Mellick I would say a lot of white guys are scared of black guys tbh. I’m a white dude and I used to live in Baltimore before I moved to hick town fucking USA, and honestly, a lot of white guys, guys specifically, are really scared of black people it’s crazy.
0 likesAddie Alexander but why? Have you ever been like, attacked by a black guy?
0 likesI get part of what you are saying but if his testimony is truthful or he needs to convince the investigators that what he is saying is the truth, why would he have remorse for killing someone who said "I'm going to fucking kill you" and then grabbing a weapon to shoot him. I don't believe his account but from his perspective it would make less sense to feel remorse about killing someone who was trying to kill you.
0 likesNo remorse is clear and he actually said himself he was the victor” He clearly didn’t consider the life of this teenager valuable in anyway. He is scared of blacks and racist and definitely deserves to be in jail!!!
1 likeBen Thomas Because that’s how a normal person’s pathology would work. Even if you truly thought the boy deserved to die, you would still show some sort of weight for taking another life. He’s showing intent, by not showing any kind of guilty. Most people who legit where defending themselves, are still beside themselves for ending someone.
0 likesYeah that’s what got me too, when the cops told him he had killed one of the guys he didn’t flinch, no surprise, no “oh shit I didn’t mean to do that” “are the other guys ok” there was no “I was freaked out all night” no tears no “I’m sorry I overreacted” no apology to the parents
3 likesThe only time that he got emotional was when he started talking about how screwed up this is because he was happy and wouldn’t spoil that
when he was on the stand at 52:35 he mentions Rhonda his partner and his body language screams “OMG I can’t believe how much I screwed up, and then he proceeds to cry, but, he’s only emotional about what he’s lost not what the victims have lost, that’s the only time I’ve seen any emotional or remorse from him. It’s terrible
Broooo
0 likesmy cats name I think he should get rewarded! Enough of this teens acting like thugs but at the end they are just soft
0 likes@Donna Mellick when a young lady was MURDERED for saying all lives matter, what do you expect?
0 likesTrey Kennedy you’re right,man.All this shit over some loud music.WTF,man.Kid was only 17.
0 likesDonna Mellick I’m white,live in a black neighborhood,not scared at all,but maybe you’re right, I just don’t understand why people don’t let other people do their own things,we all gotta do the best we can to survive.
0 likesHe killed a child and he's not at all phased, instead more worried about himself getting in trouble. So awful.
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@Jay McDanieLThe kid was 17 years old. Legal age to be charged as an adult is 18, until then a person is still considered a minor in the eyes of the law, and it is up to the Judge along with the persons past history for whether they are charged as a Juvenile or Adult. So while child can be considered a loaded term, in the eyes of the law it would be, and is, a valid statement.
8 likesIn the eyes of the law a 12 year old (youngest age of criminal responsibility in all states, some states don't have a limit so even an 8 or 6 year old would be seen the same) is also considered a minor but could be tried as an Adult based on the same factors. Would you say Child is a loaded term for a 12 year old (or younger in some states) since they can also be charged as an Adult as well?
This is all irrelevant though as the facts of the matter are that the guy did kill a minor with no criminal record or even any violent associations in cold blood and showed no remorse about it.
@Jay McDanieL Indeed they did, and when they got back they still weren't legally allowed to drink alcohol, and would still need intervention by a judge to be charged as an adult for a crime if they were under 18 when they got back. Pretty fucked up ain't it?
2 likes@Jay McDanieL I literally said that with Judge intervention they could be charged as an adult. But it was still up to the judge. So no I'm not arguing against that, and I don't know why you think I am... Barring that intervention though, they would still be charged as a minor.
1 likeAs for the 12 year old part I was just using it as an example to point out the flaw in how you where saying child was a loaded term when legally it is a valid statement in the eyes of the law and how children of 12 or less could also be charged as an adult showing the dichotomy of the law/situation.
Mainly Im just pointing out how our legal terms do not match everyday terms and cant be applied the same way in a 1 to 1 situation
@Jay McDanieL who ever told you that 13-14 is a minimum age to be tried as an adult is wrong considering that 13 states don't have a minimum age and Texas as a state has a minimum age of 10. I pointed this out in my original comment. Please re-read and do better research. Also cut back on the insults. It make you look childish and immature that you can't handle a rational discussion without sprinkling them in.
2 likesA child ? Or do you mean a 17 years old thug ?
0 likes@T xD
0 likes@Jay McDanieL Stop insulting decent people.
0 likesSick people 🤮
0 likesRest in peace to that young boy. This is such a tragedy, lying people, hating on other people's music. Clearly racist. Narcissistic and a vile person. No less than life in prison for this man.
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Ok
3 likesI cannot stand that damned music so I would have moved or rolled up my window. Who the hell should tell young people our music is better than theirs?
1 likewhy does Dunn sound like colin robinson
0 likesDunn's wife loved him so much. So honestly... She loved him so much she refused to lie for him, and she looked him right in the eyes while doing it. He couldn't even look at her back. She deserved better than that. He didn't deserve her.
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@How Not To maybe just intuition. From what we saw in the interview, she seems to be a genuine and honest person. Very loving and caring as well. She cried in trial when she was talking about her relationship with Dunn. She seemed so distressed and so sad for him...
27 likesSuch a shame michael dunn didnt show the same upset and hurt about shooting and taking a young mans life, so tragic and i must say the victims parents or whoever this video shown sat in court showed such dignity and poise whilst they probably wanted to scream at him so prayers to the victims family who still live with this tragedy daily 🙏
12 likesNot married
4 likesMaybe if she was his wife, she might have lied on his behalf. He was just stringing her along, with the "girlfriend" scam or the "fiancé" (with no ring and no set wedding date), for an indefinite time period scam. She was just a place holder, until he gets the next person, who he could lie to and control.
4 likesJay Richest If they Were married, she couldn’t have been compelled to testify against him, right?
0 likesanother jacksonville one??
0 likesHoney i dont think you should talk about it anymore....and you shouldn't tell someone to turn down there radio
0 likes43:10 - "You shot at the car door?"
667 likes"Yes."
"What was the purpose of that?"
"To save my life"
Detective: "...From the door?"
Detective Savage reporting for duty, sir.
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pretty funny the Marian!!!
1 likeWhy are you like this!? I’m dead. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
1 like“Detective Savage”
0 likesI’m done for the day.
“ I can’t shoot someone who in my mind has a weapon.” 🤔 well that’s ironic.
0 likesEverything aside, can we all just appreciate how nice the quality is for the court cameras? It looks like a damn movie, kudos to who ever made that decision.
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I noticed too, some Court cameras suck. It does look like a really intense movie scene.
7 likesRight? Holy crap, those court cameras were really good.
3 likes"i was in fear for my life" if you were scared then imagine how the children being shot at by a middle aged psychopath felt.
155 likes"I shot at the door."
1638 likes"What was the purpose of that?"
"It was to save my life-"
"From the door?"
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I mean the door looked angry it was red
98 likesI love the sass from the detective soon as there done extracting his bs narrative he just lets loose
59 likesLiterally my favorite part lmao
5 likesi read this as he said this... what great timing i also just love the investigator's humor its just my cup o' tea
4 likesI burst out laughing during this part. 😂
4 likesI was looking for This comment 😂
1 like@Annalisa yeah i felt dirty typing it but here i am
1 likehahahha i can’t stop laughing. so dumb
3 likes@Coco Nut "have you seen Inside Out? That is the color of Rage, officer"
1 likeThis is one of those times where American justice is true and just. So sorry for the loss of a beautiful 17 yo young man.
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His name is Jordan Davis
10 likes@Bill Simmons or perhaps maybe...he could have been idk... A PERSON not a statistic and even so what gives this guy the right to play god and kill a kid? Put yourself in the shoes of the parents of the child c'mon
19 likes@ThePickledOnion It's quite true actually. Facts don't care about your feelings.
0 likes@Bill Simmons yea he does...really sad case. How could you do that to someone :(
0 likes@Bill Simmons lol what? 'Statistically, given that he was shot and killed by some random white guy for listening to music, he would have ended up dead or in prison'
8 likesZed Zul Zorander actually it’s not true, it’s a stereotype and those are usually based off opinions not facts.
3 likesHe'd still be alive if they had any respect and turned down the music. Not saying that Dunn isn't a idiot. But we all know that they were acting like punks
1 like@SouthJerseySound He'd still be alive if some piece of shit hadn't shot them. He didn't die from the vibration of the music.
11 likes@LazuliScarab He'd be alive if he didn't attack a man with a gun.
1 like@Frank Drebin He didn't have a gun
4 likesYeah justice did good on this. To bad the law didn't.... He would have still been alive if there was a ban on guns.
0 likes@Frank Drebin Considering he didn't attack a man with a gun, he was MURDERED by a man with a gun, idk what point you're trying to make here.
1 like@War Wolf You have no proof of that. How dare you try to justify someone's murder.
1 like@SouthJerseySound yeh ofcourse dunn is a psychopath but kids be like they are the greatest and strongest in the world, are extremely rude. Parents play a big role in upbringing, kids have to be taught how to respect.
0 likes@passe leegum exactly and had they been taught some respect they'd still be alive. Now I'm not making a excuse for Dunn but the facts are facts nonetheless.
1 likeIt's quite scary that this man could quite possibly still be on the streets, still shooting children, had he just requested a lawyer during the interrogation.
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Yes. I'm from Jacksonville and remember when this happened. I'm in no way condoning his actions but it amazes me how the majority of these guys/gals don't lawyer up...
11 likes@Black2Black That's because subconsciously, they're ashamed of what they did.
13 likes@Kent, Knight of Caelin I actually think it’s the complete opposite! They feel so in the right a lawyer isn’t even needed, they don’t feel like they have anything to hide, that they didn’t do anything wrong.
80 likes@Rachel Madden legally, this guy knew what he did was wrong but morally I do agree he thinks that his actions were justified
13 likes@Natalie I think you’re right on. And he totally thought those police would be like, yeah, you shouldn’t have killed the guy but we’ll give you a pass wink wink.
7 likesYeah luckily people like him are usually so detached from reality they just expect everyone to go along with their version of events. He totally thought he was strolling out of there with a pat on the back.
1 like@Rachel Madden exactly. He believes it and he believes a LIE
0 likesHe thought he was smarter than the law. That be the downfall of all dumb criminals
3 likesThe problem is the law in the US. Here in Canada, to get away with shooting someone, that person would have to shoot you also, you have to show equal force to be able to plead self defence. Also we have better gun control so you couldn't just walk with a handgun and it would be unlawful to use it that way. And guess what we have almost no shootings like that and we people use a gun for violence it is almost automatically a prison sentence.
1 likeJust change the legislation I really don't get your country...
@Gabriel Massicotte-Rochon I'm from Australia and I think the laws over there need to change also. We have stricter gun control than Canada and, sure, people still get shot from time to time but it doesn't happen nearly as often as in the US, nor on the same scale. They have mass shootings all the time, we very rarely have them. It is far, far too easy to get a gun in the US.
1 likeNope he was gone to the pen as soon as he pulled the trigger.
0 likeswhat would he have said with a lawyers advice?
0 likes@Moritz Dietrich In the video you can tell that in court he is much more confident and consistent, a ways more consistent and picky about what he says.
0 likesThe Detective that can be seen next to Dunn is so annoyed by him you can see it multiple times in the video.
142 likesIt would be funny if there wasn't a 17-year old that died.
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Your comment made me rewatch this video & You are correct
9 likesThis, his pain and frustration with the situation was palpable
21 likesThe first time the black detective spoke up he turned to him in shock, like he wasn't supposed to be the one questioning him. He's such a racist pos. I loved when the detective just put his head in his hands lol
28 likesRagerodracir ——-I find that the most bewildering part. EVERYONE has had an annoyance while driving, tailgaters, comes across to occupy your space, won’t move at traffic lights, swervers, people cut in front & slowing or even stopping, but you leave it in your rear view mirror. You don’t engage with them because it’s MOMENTARY. This screwball not just engages but he kills a kid and he’s totally nonplussed by that! It’s amazing he’s lived this long and good for screwy Rhonda to go find another gem like Dunn.
4 likesTallon Qsack looool this moment!! It was almost comical if it wasn’t so shitty
0 likesIt's crazy to think what YT people have been getting away with for ages. R.I.P to the young man, speechless.
1 likeDoes anyone know what song(s) was playing?
1 like"They will begin to destabilize his thought process by inducing anxiety" - literally my own brain and the police have the same tactics
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Ignorethespots Then you can personally understand how effective it is 😂
4 likes@timestamps for good videos He's a puppet now
2 likesThis shit would be a lot more funnier if it wasn’t so damn true
8 likesSad when your own brain uses police interrogation tactics against you. chest pound
3 likesWorst of all is when you refuse to break so your brain goes old school cop style and beats the shit out of you with the neurological equivalent of a phone book, lol
1 likeFascinating case. Watched it thoroughly about a year ago before I discovered your channel. Glad I get to see your perspective.
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Where do you watch our listen to more true crimes like this?
4 likesI know some youtube channel and podcast exist but i dont know the names
I to remember it on the news very disquieting.
1 likeAkash Gupta search police interrogations. You’ll go down a rabbit hole soon enough.
10 likes@Hmm
2 likesThe podcast 'True Murder' is great. All info and no dumb jokes or fluff. Its great
I dont think it's that fascinating really, just a grumpy guy who gets angry when hes drinking liquor. Maybe he saw a gun maybe they ditched it when they left but most likely he just assumed they were probably armed being young and black. I doubt this would have happened if he was sober. Either way he never stopped to think about what he was doing and now hes gonna pay for it.
1 like@Rusty Shackleford thanks any other podcast? Or youtube channel like this?
0 likes@- MuzikizuM - thanks! Do you have any recommendations of podcast or youtube channels?
0 likesAkash Gupta Not really. Like I said just search YouTube for police interrogations. Some go for hours so watch a bit and if it peaks you interest watch some more videos. Hopefully soon enough Jim will feature the criminal on his channel 😊
0 likesImagine how horrifying that was for the teenagers.... U are just listening to music and all out of sudden a crazy man decides to shoot you because he is on a power trip. Its just mind boggling and scary. Something out of a horror movie.
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Thank you for mentioning this. Like I get the fiancé he's a saint but these kids may have been saints too. It's still like what white washing the situation
59 likes@M 3 this is obviously because of the humans that migrated out of Africa and mixed with Neanderthals. Neanderthals died out because they were unfit for survival. Modern humans made them go extinct. So it is short your comment does not make any sense. One because of evolution. Two because human beings are also mammals. We all fall under that category of animals in that regard. Read a book once in awhile thanks!
15 likesEh, I'm sure they're used to it.
3 likes@Jake Fournier If you think somebody deserves to lose their life for ignoring an adult you are clinically insane and I hope to God you never have kids
72 likes@Jake Fournier he should have asked nicely, and if they turned it back on or insulted him he should have called the police
11 likes@EGPMH He should have just minded his own fuckin business lmao
53 likes@EGPMH it's music in a parking lot not a gang meeting
33 likes@Lucas Campbell not my point, point is if it truly bothered him that badly you do not whip out a fucking gun you call the authorities and pull the "disturbing the peace" card
20 likesit only happens once in a while.. you just have to be lucky enough not to be there when it happens.
0 likes@Jake Fournier i agree. pls do not have kids. ur nuts dude
5 likesTbh I turn down my music for this reason. People are crazy.
3 likes@Marie Bee they have no priors. They aren't criminals.
5 likesThis is a nightmare I have a lot. Me and my friends are having a great day and boom and I’m dead. Shits terrifying.
2 likes@Jenna Mattern exactly bro. White kids on YouTube comment threads will never understand. Stop gaslighting
7 likes@Steven Schnepp I can see how you have this viewpoint but you’re unknowingly sympathizing with this man. No matter what the situation is. No one needed to die. And when I say white kids wouldn’t understand. It’s because they will not experience an eminent threat like this. I’m generalizing because the privilege that exist is obvious. Don’t gaslight me to try to come off as understanding yet debatable. It’s embarrassing
13 likes@Steven Schnepp if those kids were white would they have been shot in your opinion ? Ask yourself this and don’t assume my viewpoint of you or white people is that of racism. Because it’s not. But if you’re a sympathizer I assume you’re white as well. And In that case, it’s entire up to you to realize that what was done here was done based off prejudice. Nothing else
2 likeswell, there are downsides to living in a country where everyone is potentially armed
3 likesHopefully the parents of those teenagers will teach their other kids to keep their music down in public and to not escalate situations with crazy people to avoid such horrifying fates. No matter how wrong or right your behavior is you should deescalate situations when confrontations are happening, and of course avoid being a public disturbance in the first place to not attract crazies to confront you.
4 likes@Milktube
1 likeI thought they were like 18 or so. They prolly go to college and aren't living with parents any more. Parent wouldn't even know that their kids are causing trouble out there until this incident. It was lucky that there happened to be a psychopath parked next to them to scare them in to possibly becoming a more sensible citizen.
666 likes... Cool
1 likeThe dude probably lost his mind writing JavaScript code that day. Could happen to everyone in the software industry.
0 likesI remember the same thing happened to me a couple of years ago. Me and my friend were playing football in this small alley and there was a house near us. Everything was fine until this old crazy man ran out with a gun in his garden and pointed at us. Both of us ran and thankfully he just wanted to scare us away. Btw this man didnt give us any warning before he pulled out a gun. Idk why Its so hard for some people to act normal.
3 likes@L0WFIDELITY you're just being paranoid. Asians are under attack!
0 likesSee if they had shot back then this video would be about them lol.
0 likes@L0WFIDELITY Is it that much of an insane concept to just swallow your pride and avoid confrontations all together?
0 likes@j K Apparently that's what happened here.
0 likes@EGPMH why to be bothered by that first ? And why to call the police for that ! Even if there is insults. I would be mad too...
0 likes@EGPMH no no no ! Why call the police for music. This is not in an appartment. If he feel bothered, he can go...
0 likes@Mylena zvezta you are missing the point, I suggested he call the police for the soul purpose to show that is what most would do after they started threatening him and having the music up; only a lunatic decides to shoot people up, and even you don't call the police you ponder on it or ponder on at least kicking their stereo but never shooting them
0 likes@Zob Rombie there's also a theory that neanderthals just breeded themselves into extinction.
0 likesFirst Last if only something knocked some sensibility into you
0 likesI remember when this happened. Listening to that phone call when he was talking to his girlfriend, it made me so mad but it also showed his character. Who was that demon trying to fool?? I know this was very hard for his girlfriend because of who he was to her but doing the right thing is always the best decision. She dodged a bullet because she got to see what type of demonic entity she was about marry before she took the walk of shame down the isle.
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Demons don't exist what are you 5
0 likes@TheAmusingOddities grapes is using a figure of speech called metaphor
9 likes@TheAmusingOddities Demon (3): a person considered extremely wicked, evil, or cruel. - Dictionary.com
7 likes@Cheetopuffed you don't have to explain anything to somebody who can't comprehend what he's reading.
1 like@"The Narrator" 😂😂
1 likeIs this another Karen situation oh wait it’s a man I think.
0 likesLearning the psychology of these different people and situations has become my favorite hobby because of this channel.
39 likesThis guy looks like the zodiac
0 likesImagine murdering someone and messing up your entire life instead of just dealing with loud music in a public parking lot for a few minutes.
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At the very most, you can contact the gas station owners or file a complaint about disturbing the peace. But anyone with critical thinking skills can determine this guy’s gripe with these kids was not just about the music.
103 likescant imagine that cause im usually blasting the music
13 likes@Kurly Kayla Yup. Pathetic that he thinks people can't see that.
14 likesExactly!!! Just like that it's over. Your whole life will be spent in jail and there is a young man with no criminal record or violent history is dead. Not sure if he care about the latter but it is still horrible. Somebody's child and sibling and friend. Everything he was going to do in life will never happen. Heartbreaking. I hope everyone takes a lesson from this. Don't let your ego and/or anger get the best of you and on the other hand you never know who you're running your mouth at or what type of hype they are on.
21 likesWhite male rage, white male rage, white male rage. Joker.
16 likesIt's obvious alcohol had a critical role in this, along with countless drunk driving and domestic violence incidents. I wonder when they will finally make such an evil substance illegal.
14 likesI can’t imagine. And I hate loud music!
5 likes@Pickles Meanwhile, i cant buy my glorious pot, love and peace weed from a normal store, instead i have to go to places where the son cry and the mother dont see, places like fucking hell, or wait the rare good will of a friend. Fuck!
4 likes@Two0Nina I'm not sure, I was just commenting that alcohol precedes acts of violence, including domestic violence as well as shootings. On one hand it wouldn't surprise me, but on the other it seems as though this guy has never dealt with the wrong end of the law before, as he really thought he was going to "talk his way out of it" and go home. In order to be arrested for domestic violence you have to have charges brought against you -- with a temper like that combined with his victim complex I'd be terrified of him if I were the fiancee.
5 likesMy guess is his actions had nothing. to do with the music
11 likes@Pickles Alcohol should not be illegal. They tried that in the 20's, and all it did was make the crime, murder, organised crime and addiction rates skyrocket, in addition to an increase in other health problems caused by black market alcohol mixed with poisonous additives. As a matter of fact, prohibition essentially created American gang culture.
3 likesProhibition doesn't work.
And anyway, most people who drink are able to do so without killing or hurting anyone.
awesomeguynamedjon And so you think alcohol, instead of guns, should be illegal? I’m afraid the evidence shows the latter, my friend. The problem is the guns, not the alcohol.
2 likes@dazzerstar I feel you, but you need to truly get a grip and don't take shit like that so seriously.
5 likesI feel like he really believed in his privllage. I think he thought they would be believe him cause he's white, He's older, etc.
8 likes@Kurly Kayla Contacting the Gas station owner???? Thats gonna do nothing
3 likesJ English that a dumb reson to kill someone, you might be one of those people that think the guy that came back to work and kill his coworkers bc they fired him and treated him bad was a just reason for him to kill them. You mist think that it was just for Watts to kill his whole family bc he find another chick and his wife and kids was in the find instead of getting a divorcee. Sometime you should just walk away why kill someone bc you mad when you can just walk away and go someone else, all the cases i names the evil killers can not control his feeling and just leave and that why no one have to die.
5 likes@MONEY/SUCCESS 10Million Yes. And let them handle the situation considering it's their property. Literally any option is better than fucking killing someone.
2 likes@Pula Paw i surrender, you are right, maybe beat them good would be acceptable instead of killing them
2 likes@dazzerstar 👋 Oh indeed it Fricken does & nor can I stand that rancid noise pollution 👍👍👍☕
0 likes@J English 👋 Ikr 👍👍👍☕
1 like@Just Another Happy Humanist Oh, I totally agree with you. My statement was meant to highlight other, modern substances currently under prohibition and the subsequent profiting of cartels, millions spent to ruin the lives of and cage nonviolent offenders, and the high death rate due to lack of regulation. For some reason people are happy to peaceful drug users in jail just for possessing a substance, but nobody blinks an eye at all the crime caused by alcohol.
2 likesSeriously though, next time you call AT&T when your Internet goes out, there's a good chance you're talking to someone getting paid a nickel an hour in prison on the other end. (Slavery is legal in the US if you have been convicted of a crime.) Anyway, have a good one!
Pickles Oh, I totally agree with you about prohibition in relation to other substances, and the prison-industrial complex. And you’re right that alcohol causes more damage (emotional, physical, and psychological) than other substances. It just shouldn’t be illegal, either, because prohibition doesn’t work - with any substance. Regulated legalisation is the best course of action, the way we already do with alcohol and cigarettes. That won’t prevent people from making poor choices - but that’s something the government can’t wholly stop. Some people are always going to make bad decisions. Even if you regulate absolutely everything humans have ever produced, there’s still always going to be some moron who throws someone off a cliff, or jumps off that cliff themselves. That’s why, in conjunction with regulation, education is also important (and I don’t mean the pseudo-drugs education of the Reagan, Bush, and Clinton Eras - I mean real, scientific education that conveys, and simplifies, the findings of up-to-date neuropsychpharmacological research). People should have the right to make their own informed decisions - whether those decisions are bad or good. Society would be the better for it (especially because of the issues you raised in relation to the prison-industrial complex, but also because addiction rates and social stigma would decrease - causing more addicts to feel comfortable seeking help, and gangs would lose a major source of revenue. Another positive aspect of regulation is that health-related substance issues - including overdose - would not be as numerous, since substances would hopefully be regulated, free from dangerous admixture, and standardised, so people wouldn’t risk getting a dose stronger than what they expected. Even people who have never touched a substance in their life should be able to see that legalised regulation is the only ethical, rational, scientific, and intelligent option.
1 likeAnyway, I think we’re coming from pretty much the same viewpoint. I’m preaching to the choir, aren’t I? 😊
Right!?
0 likesImagine dragons
1 likeYou wish? Is this guy a lover of yours? Who says that about a complete stranger unless hes grabbing his ankles?
0 likesWhy Would I Imagine Something That Stupid?
0 likesWhy Would Anyone Suggest I Imagine That?
Imagination Should Be for Rainbows & Unicorns!!!...
Not Beavis & Butthead!!!!
Cheesecake Head!!!
@hg etu hey i gave up
0 likesplops993
0 likesI agree that possession of a gun emboldens these people to put themselves in confrontational situations that they would otherwise almost certainly avoid. However, it is the same concept for the victims, they also felt emboldened by their youth and numbers to win a physical confrontation which caused them to put themselves possibly in one. Had it been a single small black man and a much bigger stronger white guy, the black guy probably would not have turned the music back up
Both sides are using a “might makes right” justification for their actions. Both also have the possibility of deadly force as a result, because people die from head trauma from losing a fight sometimes. However, the gun is far more lethal, obviously
@Kurly Kayla stuff i day dream zbout. A lot of people do.
0 likes@JD Chaidez why would you imagine a pink elephant? I don't know, but you just did. Oh wait I know, because I frickin' told you to that's why.
0 likes@Red Milk Yup. You can tell he thinks he has it in the bag during his interrogation.
1 like@Mr. West lndian t.v. Don't forget racist behavior based on his ignorant misdirected animosities.
1 likeJust Another Happy Humanist it was not the gun but the man behind the gun!
1 like111bep worse than that he didn't have to listen to the loud music as they turned the music down when he asked them to....smh
1 likedepletable it's a good thing dazzerstar isn't drinking with a gun....hating what you don't understand is a serious problem
1 likeJ English they turned it off he said....not even turned it down they turned it off
2 likes@Just Another Happy Humanist we still have illegal alcohol where I live (moonshine )
0 likes@J English Imagine getting killed by some thugs because you complain about their Music- this easily could have went the other way & then EVERYONE would have had something to say negative about the kids who got approached about music then started shooting at the approachee
0 likes@J English I think its better NOT TO KILL AT ALL over shit that you can fix by simply walking/ driving away
2 likes@YoLo Videos Me too, I don't care what people think, granted no ones every said anything to me, and I'm a 48 year old white/blonde lady in a shady part of town. I stick out like a sore thumb.
0 likesAllat
0 likesIt is sometimes hard to reason when you have a gun right around.
0 likesThese kids were acting like thugs and went out like thugs
0 likesImage murdering someone who threatens to kill you and is waving a gun. Every sane person would do the exact same thing Michael Dunn did. It's a shame he didn't get all 4 of them.
0 likes@Remco Braadworst they didn't find a gun.
0 likesIt had very little to do with music and how loud it was, imo.
0 likes@Pickles alcohol gives us unwarranted confidence as does being armed
0 likes@Angel Dark bet that dude has felt small all his life and having a gun and being drunk made him feel much bigger
0 likes@Love to share or just driving away. But i think he was viewing himself as being attacked by someone "lesser" not obeying his word and therefore his self awarded authority was challenged. Thugs, animals, and whatever else he called the kids. I like most those comments that say "maybe he was not a racist???" Like really?
0 likes@Remco Braadworst how edgy
1 likeCrazy how this guy made it to his age without having an incident like this
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First time caught
11 likesThis is facinating, like watching a train wreck in slow motion. The cops are highly skilled. He is guilty of murder, and he is helping the cops convict him. To protect his rights, he should never have spoken with the cops at all. He is saying all the wrong things. I can see why defense lawyers always advise clients to not talk to the police without counsel present, regardless of guilt or innocence. STFU until your lawyer arrives.
382 likesEDIT: One thing I really like is the cops are doing their job. They see the black teenagers are the victims, and are charging this man with murder. All police need to do their job in a professional and unbiased manner.
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This is honestly the truth. Good on them for putting him away not this. It's inexcusable. They hadn't done anything to warrant any use of a firearm, taser, blade, or any other device used for self defense. They were only verbal and he attacked them with a (very pretty might I add) firearm. Something like that doesn't belong in the hands of someone like that.
4 likes@bébé phoque They existed, that was reason enough for Michael Dunn to enact pest control.
0 likes45 minutes in... and I have still NOT heard him say anything about him feeling badly for shooting children, injuring them physically and mentally And killing a kid.
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He sure is sad that he... has a puppy though? Very odd. Literally the only emotion he displays, other than some anger in that phone call about being a "victim", is crying because he's thinking about a dog. He killed a 17 year old kid!
18 likesAnd he'd "do it again"! He was more concerned about keeping the police up, or missing his favourite TV show or whatever "5 other things" than taking a life.
What a nutter.
Stand your ground law had to be applied, coulour jury or judge?
0 likes@Silvano bro what
4 likes@Silvano I dont think the Stand your ground law applies when you are shooting at a car that is driving away lmao
13 likes@Silvano stand your ground laws state that you have to retreat unless you can’t. You can’t chase after the person or shoot them anywhere that isn’t in the front of the body bc otherwise you’re trying to kill them, not protect yourself
2 likes@McSnezzly no, it's all about that you CAN no retreat🤷♂️ no question on selfdefense.
0 likesI honestly believe the fiancé won in the end, she got away from an abusive insensitive murder. She saved herself by telling the truth.
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I do think he was mean to her
0 likes@Shaneia Pearson when she said she was too afraid to say anything to him after the shooting so she wouldn’t make him more angry
24 likesYeahhhh that tells me he was abusive
@whoop S H doesn’t mean they were abusive it’s just pure fear you watch someone murder a group of people and wonder what might happen to you if you try and get involved or something along those lines
2 likes@starving But listen to the prison call, with all the "Yes, I know" and avoidance answers instead of being frank and telling him he's not a victim. He's in prison and can't get to her but she still is afraid of angering him. That doesn't happen overnight. It's a conditioned response.
4 likes@Suzanne Nixon I get what you mean but I’m still sticking to what I agree with
0 likes@starving Well, at least you're honest.
0 likesThere are no winners in this. Even for the murderer, there is a senario where nothing like this happens, lets say if he didn't own a gun.
2 likesWould never have happened if he didn't have a gun in his car!
4 likes28:25 jesus fuckin christ
1 likeAnyone else notice how the fiancee doesn't seem to believe him? Even over the phone, she certainly doesn't sound too convinced.
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Shes scared of him, even before he shot someone dead. The guy is an evil narcissist who tries to control everybody and every thing.
78 likesI agree
5 likesEven in the one on one interview with the detective, she was more confident giving her side of the story than what she thinks Michael would want to hear in the court room.
9 likesThe fiance..was asked "did he ever mention they had a gun"..and she awnsered.."nope".😂🤣😂
3 likesI wouldn’t believe a person that’s literally trying to convince themselves that they’re the victim either
3 likesFrom all the times he blamed her
0 likesshe sounded horrified and relieved at the same time, now that hes out of her life now.
0 likesDefinitely she’s obviously a lovely human being in terrible situation my heart goes out to her those poor kids should not have had to deal with this asshole
1 likeFrank Leclair her life was destroyed with this....I really feels sorry for her
0 likesseven rue sad thing is he was already convinced
0 likesShe's probably a guilt ridden liberal?
0 likesAs soon as she said he started by saying he hates thug music and her reply was "yes I know", it seemed like she listened to him rant about his pet peeve on more than a few occasions. He was obviously the music police and wasn't going to let another offender go with just a warning.
2 likes@Anthony okay expert what is every one missing?
1 like"I'm the victim here. I'm the fucking victim here!" alright calm down Gabbie Hanna
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holy shit 💀💀
47 likes😂😂
10 likesThis the one
16 likesLMAOO💀
9 likeswhats the tea about gabbie?did she do something again?
1 like@Luciano Victor she just always makes herself the victim in any situation. People don’t like her work? They’re bullies. She gets called out for bad behavior? They’re bullies. She’s the victor and the victim.
49 likesThe way I just screamed
13 likes💀💀💀
4 likesBYE LMAOOOO😭
6 likesI CHOKED
4 likesTRUE 💀
4 likesLMFAO💀💀💀
4 likesGabbie AND Trisha now 😭😭
6 likes🤣😆
1 likeLmfao, i know the reference 💀
2 likesYou spelt Trisha Paytas wrong
5 likesOMG HAHA, her long lost dad
1 like@yoda apologist both of them bro 😭
4 likesLmaooo I was thinking the same thing!
1 likeLmffffaoooo wow good one david
1 likeThat line gave me some slight PTSD, because it's the same kind of gaslighting my abuser used to do.... It's made me extremely skeptical when people are too eager to blame someone. Probably trying to make them a scapegoat for their own ass.
7 likesi thought of that too
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1 likeI said the same thing 😭😭😭
1 likeYou done and made me choke on a chocolate chip cookie 🍪😂😂
5 likesThe kids in the truck were “boolies... high school. Föking. bOoLiEs”
4 likeswrong... there was no pointless singing mid conversation
0 likesLol. Pretty sure the guy who was murdered is the victim.
0 likes💀💀💀
0 likesGod damnnnnnn🤣
0 likesDAMN
0 likesOmggggg😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 yesssss!
0 likesHow could someone, who shot 8x at unarmed kids.. killed one kid in the process.. still claim he is the victim..
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This makes me sick also...he knows exactly what he did and is trying to get a lighter sentence or acquittal for self-defense.
1 likeIf I may be partisan, from the moment Stand Your Ground Laws (as well as Castle Doctrine to a lesser extent) were passed, the political opponents have been framing it as "License to murder" and painting it like that silly hunting scene in the first season of South Park, where all you need to say was "I was in fear for my life!' or "I THOUGHT they had a gun" and like Magic you go free. I believe they make such outlandish claims to scare people into being against which is actually quite a reasonable law, but you can only tell such lies for so long before a loser like Dunn actually believes them and shoots a young man because he got mad.
3 likesIt's entitlement, racism, indoctrinated fear, and gun-related power fantasy---with a few drinks thrown in.
6 likes14x
1 likeBecause boomer old. Boomer hated loud music. Boomer went and done bang bang on "thugs" because "lOuD tHuG mUsIc BAAAAAD".
1 like@Striker Alpha One he technically might be early Gen X
0 likesAnother guy with a hero complex, goes and buys a gun and imagines scenarios in his head and just can't wait to use it
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Exactly..
142 likesSo glad I live somewhere guns are not prolific
293 likesLike george Zimmerman
171 likesGypsum Fantastic Zimmerman followed him... wtf ... did you even do any research on the case or ?
195 likes@Gypsum Fantastic Look up Shaun's video on the Zimmerman case.
79 likesYou'll absolutely change your mind.
Learning Makes Me Happy you know Shaun is a left leaning political
8 likesChannel and obviously had a bit of a slant. Zimmerman was legally in the right, regardless of whether or not you think it’s racism that caused him to follow Trayvon in the first place.
Cases like this?? 1 case of sum crazy dude with a gun and MOST people shouldnt have one? You do know citizens with guns save more lives a year than are taken by nut cases with guns... doesn’t matter any way because OUR RIGHT to bear arms shall not EVER be infringed..
19 likes@SHONUFF That and most murders with guns are illegal guns.
12 likesThat’s why mine stays in my bedside nightstand. Only used if someone breaks in. I NEVER take it with me anywhere. Even though it’s legal by certification, i just don’t see a need.
14 likes@Comrade Hartliss ayyyy breadtuber fan ✊
3 likes@Gypsum Fantastic b-biggity-but i be a white man.. I just know right from wrong.
8 likesSteamy Senpai Places with stricter gun laws have higher rates of gun violence.
6 likesSo true
0 likesSteamy Senpai Everyone should have unfettered access to all weapons, as the constitution intended lol
8 likes@SlavSupreme dude really? lol
7 likesREDDIT THE COMMENT
3 likesBill Thanas Yep
0 likesReminds me of the Simpsons episode where Homer goes to buy a gun and the clerks says, "There's a 2-day waiting period." Homer says: "Awww, but I mad NOW....!!!"
22 likes@SHONUFF Three million lives saved by guns every year? From what? It would be from guns would it? The Kleck Gertz study that provides the number 2.5 million, is complete nonsense. About 20% of their respondents estimated that they would have been killed had they not defended themselves. That works out to 500,000. In 1994, the year of the study, there were 18,000 homicides. We do not know how many orders of magnitude Kleck and Gertz are out by.
15 likesJust like Travis bickle. Are you talking to me?
2 likesGypsum Fantastic amen.
0 likesIt's not 30,000, it's 40,000 gun deaths in america each year, and climbing. (2017=39,773 deaths). America has more lax firearm laws than any other developed country, and it shows. Stricter gun laws actually DO lead to less gun violence; not only in other countries but also in the states. If there's less guns, there's less shootings. It's simple math.
31 likesAssault weapons don't belong in law enforcement or in the hands of the average joe. They are designed specifically to shoot lots of people. You can't hunt with it or defend yourself with it. They're toys of war. They don't belong in the public.
If you're the kind of person who believes your gun would be taken away if background checks become stricter, you shouldn't have one.
@CathartesAura "Assault weapons" lol
5 likes@CathartesAura Chicago, St Louis, and New York. Strict gun laws. Check their murder rates.
5 likes@Randy Weaver sorry, but I find your argument is invalid. Keeping fire extinguisher(s) in a home would not make one a "fire nut" because: 1) people don't carry a concealed-carry extinguisher around with them at all times, and 2) people don't spray people with the extinguisher because they "feared they would spontaneously combust."
21 likesAnd, I say this as an American who owns guns.
@SHONUFF oh my. You should come down to your local FBI and get a little more info.
0 likesyou don't know that, it's immoral to attribute malice to people with certainty when you aren't in reality certain
2 likesTHIS
0 likesProbably thinks he looked like Liam Neeson in his fantasies. Although I think Randy Quaid would be a better fit.
5 likesWhen you buy a hammer every problem looks like a nail.
9 likes109367 conservative victim-playing as if the system and society is out to get them all the time
11 likes@Robert House Ok, I looked it up. Here are my findings:
22 likesThe american average for every 100,000 people is 11.9.
Illinois: 1490 gun deaths,11.7 out of every 100,000 people. No firearm registration, bulk firearm purchase restrictions, or local government authority on firearms. Does have background checks, waiting periods, handgun design saftey standards, and extreme risk prevention laws.
Missouri:1144 gun deaths, 19 out of every 100,000 people. No universal background checks, waiting period, firearm registration, gun dealer liscensing, ammunition sale regulation, local government authority of firearms and ammunition.
New York: 900 gun deaths, 4.4 out of every 100,000 people. No waiting period. Does have background checks, gun dealer liscensing, assault weapon ban, handgun liscensing, handgun saftey standards, ammunition sale regulation.
Canada has a rate of 2 per 100,000.
The European Union has a rate of 1.34 per 100,000.
Australia has a rate of .9 per 100,000.
I'll take some disgruntled gun owners over thousands of dead people any day, thanks.
@Subversive Control the penalty of being a snarky teen is not death.
9 likes@Subversive Control You're just like Dunn. Whipping out your weapon when you get your fee-fees hurt. You make the rest of us gun owners look bad.
7 likes@Subversive Control Wow, what a convincing and rational argument. You got me, dude. Liberals destroyed.
8 likesI've said my piece on the issues. Maybe when you're ready to grow up, you'll feel the same way.
Now go ahead and vomit out another pithy remark. I know you won't be able to resist getting the last word.
Holy shit how did I get so many likes? I don't even know what I'm talking about xD my comment isn't even original I just commented the same as someone below me LOL
1 like@SHONUFF you're trying to tell me? Um, you might want to look a little closer to who you're talking to buddy.
0 likesLaughingDove Gun Death statistics include suicide, which unfairly skews the data and makes your argument hold SIGNIFICANTLY less weight.
2 likesLaughingDove I also encourage you to research the Hollywood Bank Robberies if you truly believe in taking away “assault weapons” (what a ridiculous fucking term) from law enforcement
1 like@tortoise he did plenty of things 'wrong' to put himself in a situation he didn't need to be in. Don't confuse 'legally justified' with intelligent conduct. The action he took after getting his head smashed against concrete passed legal muster for self defense, that's it.
0 likesThis guys was waiting to kill someone.
5 likesDon't take your guns to town Son, Leave your guns at home Bill.
1 like@SlavSupreme what's a boomer
2 likesIs this some kind of trump thing ?
@Randy Weaver of course those "rights " were never meant to be exercised by slaves
2 likesjen jen. rutherford Scary that your type are the people dictating our laws, economy, and culture when you don’t even recognize the term “baby boomer”
2 likes@yo did i just shit myself? you and I watched totally different docs 🧖♀️
0 likes@Howard Gibson from the ghosts in these mindless dangerous peoples heads
0 likesWhat I am genuinely confused by is : the USA has su h a high murder rate compared to the uk Australia NZ and canada. Yet these countries have very strict gun control and hand guns are extremely difficult to obtain . So how are your very open gun laws working to keep you safe?
7 likes@SlavSupremehow do you manage to access the internet when you live under a rock ? Do you go to Starbucks a lot ? 😁
1 like@Randy Weaver if you find yourself wearing camo gear to bed please get help
1 like@CathartesAura unless you are a young black man it seems.
0 likes@CathartesAura your honesty is valued .
1 like@KurtyB guns make suicide more likely to succeed
2 likes@jen jen. rutherford yeah it's better to not be able to defend yourself in case you are really threatened?
4 likes@Grog SmashRock yeah and why most gun violence happens in gun-free zones?
1 like@Howard Gibson yeah and how will you defend yourself without a gun? Do you know that people who want to commit murders would get illegal guns anyway? Why most murders happen in gun-free zones and places with strict gun rules?
1 like@CathartesAura USSR and Nazi Germany's tyrannies happened after governments took away their people's guns
1 like@wivuyao You are correct that guns were taken away from Jews. Regulations were actually loosened for whoever Nazi Germany deemed "ordinary". And It's silly to think that if they had had their weapons they could have taken down a fascist police state that most of the population of Germany supported or tolerated.
7 likesAnd I actually do want people to have the opportunity to defend themselves with a firearm. Background checks are essential as a matter of public safety, not as some kind of conspiracy to quash rights.
And you do realize that an "illegal gun" usually means a gun that was purchased legally in a state with lax laws and brought into one with stricter laws, right? They're not coming from secret weapons factories lol. A convicted felon can visit any state with lax laws, purchase a firearm from a private seller, and own it that day.
@wivuyao and the 1994 Federal Assault Weapons ban was laughably weak and poorly planned. It only banned the possession of the targeted weapons that were received after the date of the enactment. It had no buy back plan implemented, so people wanting to get rid of their now-illegal weapons sold them to whoever would buy. It also exempted hundred of kinds of automatic and semi-automatic weapons, like the AR15. It's no surprise that an act so small and only lasting for 10 years made such little impact on gun violence.
2 likes@wivuyao I would
0 likesYou get the Gold medal My friend.
0 likes🏅🏅🏅🏅
Most people who carry are not like this guy though.
1 like@Worse Than Joe Rogan I know I'm not, but it's still scary to know there are people out there who are, ya know?
0 likesPlot twist.Shes now married to a BLACK man.😆Im DUNN!!
0 likesSad story.😭..😀 LAUGHTER eases pain.Have a FREE LAUGH on me.Watch my 2nd OPEN MIC.
Guy with a gun
0 likesHear! Hear!
2 likesSome people are not cut out to own a weapon, especially those who regularly consume above average amounts of alcohol, which impairs judgement as well as any drug out there....
@SHONUFF
0 likesI'm not saying you're wrong, but you're quoting a lot of statistics with no sources.
I've heard politicians before claiming unemployment has gone down, and they had the numbers to prove it. When I actually investigated it, the numbers went down because they changed the way they defined 'unemployed'.
It seems like the general rule should be: more guns available, more gun deaths occur. That is the general trend in the rest of the world, and makes logical sense. When you find stats that appear to contradict logic and the overall picture, I think you should be asking yourself where those numbers came from, and how the analyses were produced. If you know what you're doing, you can use the same data set to (apparently) support very different ideas.
@SHONUFF
0 likesBecause other civilised countries don't have such a problem with guns and violence.
Part of the problem of course is not the guns, specifically. However, knives have more additional uses than just destroying or killing what you point them at. Guns are way easier to kill with than knives.
If you have a look at the 'correct' stats, compared with the vast majority of other countries, it seems clear removing guns would improve safety, not the reverse.
As far as an armed population rising up against a tyrannical government goes, that's not very practical at all, and hasn't been for a long time. Some might argue you even have the kind of government that should be overthrown right now, lead by an utterly corrupt, incompetent despot.
jen jen. rutherford This is months old and you come back lol, don’t you have anything better to do with your life? And on the contrary my family is quite content with the fact that I am well on my way to obtaining my Mechanical Engineering degree
0 likesSometimes it seems that people who have liberal beliefs think people like me, who are very conservative, hard working members of society and the NRA, support these types of people. WE DONT. As a matter of fact, we wouldn't be in the situation he was in EVER because we wouldn't allow our significant others to go into a convenient store in a foreign area. (Foreign meaning an area not known to him)
0 likesSteamy Senpai Gun owners are not bad people for owning guns. Myself, my family, my friends are all responsible keepers of firearms. Unfortunately the bad apples in every batch get the most attention .
2 likes@SHONUFF "There are over 500,000 to 3 million lives saved by defensive use of a firearm in the USA a year. " Not sure how all these other countries cope without all the life saving fire arms they must have 10x the number of deaths of USA.
1 likeit's our constitutional right to bear arms for protection
1 like@Art Vandelay For sure. That doesn't make a moral or logical argument for it though. Guns are engrained in American culture. Why not just admit the obvious that they cause way more harm than they do good and that you don't give a fuck because you think guns are cool as they make you feel powerful?
0 likesI dunno about all that and the hero complex, kinda projecting tbh, more than likely was just pissed off
0 likes@J Gunn like brothas in chicago
0 likesYep just like a gangster
0 likesFacts. 💯 This guy dreamed of unloading on someone many times before it happened. Bonus for him was that it was some black guys (or Thugs as he calls them).
0 likes@SHONUFF only? only 30,000? are you seriously saying only here? if anyone that you knew was a park of that 30,000 it would be a different story
1 like@O K not true, send facts
0 likes@Subversive Control live somewhere where you're not constantly scared of "tweakers" breaking into your home? or in a country where theres an abundance of unsupported drug addicts because your govenment runs a war on drugs backed by racism and capitalism. the same people that control your guns lol
1 like@Randy Weaver I see where you're coming from and I kind of agree, kind of disagree. I do believe in the 2nd amendment and that most people should have the right to own firearms, not only for protection but for recreation as well as long as you're able to be responsible. Michael Dunn clearly isn't responsible and should not have owned a gun at all. I think there should be some kind of test and/or mandatory safety instruction before you're able to obtain a license for a firearm.
1 like@SHONUFF Jeez. One extreme to another. I agree that guns shouldn't be entirely outlawed but the idea that EVERYONE should own a gun is absurd. Should we really be giving guns to people with paranoid schizophrenia or people with a history of violent crime?
1 like@steve822009 *some
0 likesExactly.
0 likesI just made you get to 2.1k likes
0 likes@O K England has very strict gun control and has almost no gun violence
0 likesI grew up with guns, I used them as a kid. To me they’re just a tool. A dangerous one to be respected and kept away from people who don’t use them properly. My cousin told me his wife’s sister is married to a guy who obsesses about how much he needs a gun to keep the family safe. My cousin one said to him he lives in a town of about 1800 in Iowa where they had one murder over half a century ago and besides kids trying to get beer and people going ten over the speed limit, there is no crime in that town. The guy keeps saying it’s a dangerous world and it could happen there.
0 likes@steve822009 find me numbers. You can't say things like that without backing it up. Facts not feelings.
0 likesBut mUh frEEdoMss..
0 likesThat’s exactly what happened. Nobody buys a gun and doesn’t look for any excuse not to use it. They want to use it. And now.
0 likesRandy Weaver Human can easily practice rights without a lethal weapon on their hands. Even tasers and stun guns require proper license where I live. I practice my rights, and I live with liberty. I feel safe. I don’t need to have a gun in my hand to do so. I can stuff a rock or a perfume bottle in my pocket when I go out alone in the dark to shoot photos. That makes me feel safe. Non lethal weapons are no problem, but this righteous behaviour that Americans exhibit that there is nothing wrong with their system is laughable. That is the reason you can’t bring your country back up from its state. You never acknowledge your mistakes, and with a president like that, I doubt there’s going to be any good news for you for a while.
1 likeSubversive Control And you think scaring the living shit out of him is a fair excuse for emptying 10 bullets in the CABIN of the car? If he was scared, he could’ve scared them away by shooting their tires or shooting on the ground if he really wanted to shoot. This man fully knew what he was doing and his intent is clear.
1 likeMarky Mangle Literally any other country in the world, check their gun violence rates.
1 likewivuyao You dont have a kitchen knife? A baton? Hiding spots at your home? The guns that you laude so much can be replaced with non lethal stun guns, or are you insecure of your aim?
1 likewivuyao Look in the present.
0 likes@ItsVizor what about the people with illegal guns? How are you supposed to fight back against them.... With a kitchen knife LMFAO 😂. I hope you never get in a bad situation, because you aren't going to make it. This guy is the reason the firearm was used. You can throw that gun on the ground and it will never do anything but rot into the earth, he just purchased it legally.
0 likes@Subversive Control It's the 10 bullets fired that made it seem unlikely that he wasn't out for blood that night - for me anyway
0 likesThat’s literally all this situation was. He was just trigger itching. He’s been waiting for any situation to pop off so he can shoot.
0 likesOr just an assuming racist
1 likeSubversive Control k
0 likesThis is not “hero complex”
0 likesStop letting people buy guns = less gun crimes! Just an idea!!!
0 likesIt keeps happening here and its almost always racists against Black people and their supporters.
0 likes@steve822009 probably British, they want to ban forks and spoons soon.
0 likes@Kat Howard ofc its the racists again.. why does everything always have to revolve around race?
0 likesYou think he wouldn’t have shot if four skinheads were blasting Oi and giving him an attitude?
Idk if shooting at a car park next to you and then as it’s driving AWAY from continue shoot constitutes as a guy with a hero complex. Sounds to me like the guy just snapped
0 likes@Juan Blondo It's mostly gang violence isn't it?
0 likesMore like victim complex
0 likes@Randy Weaver this will make a hilarious copypasta
0 likes@tjfSIM As a petite American woman who works at night in high crime areas I'm happy I can buy and carry a gun
0 likesThis guy didn’t have a hero complex he obviously has some sort of psychological imbalance that results in anger. Psychopathic maybe
0 likes500,000-3,000,000 self defense uses of a firearm every year in the United States according to the CDC. (Study ordered/authorized by the Obama administration)
1 likeAnd also he was extremely drunk
0 likes@jen jen. rutherford Last time somebody said that, they started an armed resistance against the Nazis....
0 likes@Laurel Street that sounds sensible. If someone is trying to get into your house that's a self defense issue without question. The problem seems to be the armed wannabes . As an outsider it appears to me your cops are plain terrified which makes them a danger.
0 likesDisgusting men. Weapon possession should be illegal
0 likes* * loud music plays * *
0 likesHim: THIS IS IT
@Robert HouseEven if ur claim was accurate, & it's not, correlation does not equal causation. In reality, generally, stricter gun laws do lead to fewer gun deaths...by causation.
0 likes@Robert HouseEven if ur claim was accurate, & it's not, correlation does not equal causation. In reality, generally, stricter gun laws do lead to fewer gun deaths...by causation.
0 likesThis.
0 likesThat's the most dangerous type of gun owner. One who thinks he's deputized because he has one.
0 likesI'm as pro-gun as they come, and have some reasonable basis to arm myself in the name of self-defense as I live and drive around some bad neighborhoods from time to time, but I've found that my everyday circles of life don't warrant me owning a firearm so I've made the conscious decision to take the risk of not being able to shoot back...maybe it's stupid, but I'm not one to escalate the situation, I'll try to be chill and listen and find some common ground. If somebody kills me in cold blood, the Gods will welcome me just the same, and the killer will be facing hell. Fair trade. Also, have some awareness, when I was 17 I was blasting music and thinking I was invincible, while music that isn't necessarily from your generation being blasted is annoying, have a little empathy, you know, kids want to turn it up, if they cross paths with you, you can ask them nicely to turn it down (if they're being disrespectful it should be pretty obvious), or just relocate to another area. Acting all superior and confrontational is a recipe for disaster.
1 likethe thumbnail looks like Christopher Hitchens lol
0 likesThat poor poor woman is racked with guilt. An innocent decision turned disastrous because of an asshole with a gun. Rip my little dude x
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He was a gud boi
0 likesThe way he said "You were not there" chilled me to the core. He showed his true self in that moment. The self that the kid saw right before he died. Absolutely evil.
88 likesI would love to see an analysis of someone who actually defended themselves when their life was threatened. How different the responses would be. We only ever see guilty people, it would be great to see the interrogation of an innocent person
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@mta truth
0 likesOn one of his Patreon videos there’s a woman being questioned after her boyfriends Suicide, and she was completely innocent, but the interrogator was dead set on getting her to admit she murdered him. It was kinda sad
5 likesI think in legitimate lethal force self defense cases, the self-defender is often seriously fucked up about it, crying or incoherent. They feel guilty even though they shouldn't, and are often left with PTSD and/or lifelong nightmares.
0 likesThe innocent ones are usually not involved but end up convicted because they're forced to confess. I know I'm digressing but those are the shows we get to see from innocent ppl
0 likesThis guy is oozing with entitlement. Even his voice sounds entitled.
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You can see it in his eyes in court,that's what struck me.. don't fuck with me. Maintaining a kind of victim facade during interrogation that fell away sharply in court.
13 likesKarens brother
5 likesWhat white people don’t understand. Feeling entitled is a behavior and is easily seen (and heard)
4 likesjinx86 looking like her great grandfather
1 likeOr when he was being interrogated and he tells the cops “well that’s fine and dandy” as if they work for him and they need to rethink what he’s said.
3 likesLet the white racism out guys. Add something about white privilege, remind everyone of slavery, sprinkle some more buzzwords on top. Then the upper middle class white kids can relieve themselves of guilt from something they had nothing to do with. And minorities with a victim mentality can have an excuse to be hateful.
4 likes@Michael Garrett Found one!
6 likesA lot of people in America who carry guns have a "I wish someone would" mentality. To them, the idea of needing to use their firearm for self defense is an actively enticing prospect. When that kind of person is significantly lacking morals in other areas and you catch them in a bad moment or on a bad day, they find a reason to use their firearm and take away life.
4 likesBeyond mass shootings, I view this as the second biggest problem with gun-ownership. Feeling a desire to defend yourself too often manifests in offensive use of a firearm, and actively poisons the culture of gun ownership.
Michael Garrett ahhh he has arrived
2 likesWhere is his white privilege card????
0 likesMre upset over dog than person he killed
1 likethe way it's put in the documentary, it truly seems like the guy was looking for a confrontation from the start, then lost his temper with these kids and started shooting to teach them a lesson ("you're not gonna talk to me like that") ; certainly his actions don't match what he says when interviewed by the police. BUT I think the scariest part is how later on at the court his version of the story changes and suddenly sounds much more reasonable meaning had he gotten a lawyer straight from the start, he possibly could've walked "free".
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I think being rich and powerful the reason why people think the rich get off easy, when in actuality it is because they get a lawyer early. Thankfully not everyone thinks of getting one in time.
53 likesIt’s a good lesson in “never talk to the cops”.
28 likesbravo1IsixI yes, i agree, while watching the video i often wonder if i could express myself propeŕy during the interrogation since it seems like every word you say can literally be used against you later on, including the intonation etc. and if you focus too much on choosing your words carefully, people might say you lack humanity and emotions - sort of a trap if you ask me... however, in this guys case with what he said and how he acted, im glad he didn’t get a lawyer, he did kill a teenager after all and it obviously wasn’t an accident either
21 likesAs annoying as it is when people have super loud music and as stupid as this situation even is... it really is truly scary. He wanted his moment, and I know he was probably given a lot of praise for his actions.
12 likesBasedGod Strugglin' yes, probably so, I imagine many people will identify with his ‘court’ version of the story where he acts as the “protector” of the love of his life and so on and many will stand by him for showing those “thugs” what for; after all people believe what they wanna believe, most will never watch this documentary etc
6 likesNot necessarily. Michael Dunn wouldn't be convicted without Rhonda s testimony. She's a woman with a conscience
19 likesThese types of guys dream of the confrontation. They are eager for the opportunity to “defend” themselves with deadly force. Same with Zimmerman and so many others.
25 likesUltradude I agree that was definitely the last nail in the coffin for him, but do you think had she not testified he would’ve walked free? It is possible, who knows..
2 likes@Ultradude She certainly is.
0 likesAstute
0 likes@sham421 Agreed...
0 likesWell, I like to think the forensic evidence and third party testimonies would be pretty damning. Sit back and think like a lawyer - how do you make him seem like the innocent one, in this particular situation? If his testimony contradicts the testimony of spectators in any way, shape or form, he's not going to be given the benefit of the doubt. What's more, the forensic evidence concluded that A) the SUV didn't have a single weapon, or objects that resembled weapons, anywhere. It could be argued that the party in the SUV would have WANTED to dispose of such evidence, but how are they going to when there were so many witnesses? The police probably showed up minutes later, so there was no way for them to just make the gun vanish. Moreover, they themselves never even LEFT the parking lot! If a bunch of punks had anything to hide, I doubt they would have hung back at the scene and waited to give their statements to the police, they'd either run to the hospital or hide out at a friend's place to lay low. And B) the victim never left the car. Ballistics don't lie, the victim was obviously in much more danger than Dunn ever was. And let's not forget how many rounds he peppered that SUV with - ten rounds is probably the entire clip. A simple warning shot or two would have drove the point right home. There just wouldn't be any way for a lawyer to use the cold hard facts of the case to somehow NOT make Dunn look like the aggressor. All he had to do was ignore some punk kids and their thumping bass while his biddy went and got some Merlot. The camera even showed her talking to the cashier when this all went down, so she would have been back out in under five minutes.
9 likesHell, just look at the way he was testifying, even with his council's 'expert' advice. 'Yer not gunna kill ME, you SONOVABITCH!' What, does he think he's some grizzled detective in some early 80s pulp movie or Sin City or something? I would have actually had to stop myself from snickering if I was on jury duty that day. If I was in the situation he was in, my exclamations would probably be somewhere along the lines of 'OH SHIT', 'FUCK YOU', or just 'STOP' before opening fire.
You would do as you're told lol
0 likesToo similar to Michael Drejka
2 likesGreat and deserved ending.
1 like@Brandon Miller "wearing hoodie get death sentence" - not in fact a caveman, but Brandon Miller himself
1 likeμ Ted The pro-Dunn responses on the board put into sobering focus why anti-black racism has been so durable and intense in America. This case is settled: Rock solid forensic evidence, multiple eye witness (including the fiancée), and basic physics and logic all tell us what happened beyond all doubt, and yet countless people will still paint the black murdered victim as the aggressor and his white murderer as the innocent party who killed him valiantly and legally.
7 likesThe victims were good kids who did no wrong, but the depths of anti black racism knows no bottom, and has been nurtured thru centuries of dehumanizing black humans.
Jiří of course that’s why (even tho I’m glad he didn’t) you should ALWAYS ask for a lawyer. Whether you’re innocent or guilty, they will fuck you over.
2 likes@Mc_ Zittrer thank you for this comment. You have a mountain of ballistic/physical and circumstantial evidence, eye witness and independent eye witness testimony and the initial police interviews up against basically just the perp's version of events; the latter's testimony alone is just not enough to create reasonable doubt. I'm a chemist who works in forensics, and while the US legal system does have major flaws, I still believe it is one of the best legal systems in the world.
2 likes@German Bro well if we talk about people who have a lot of money. you are right, it is the lawyer which keeps them out of prison.
1 likeBut some people have real power and the case would never go to court nor be on the news nor would you ever hear about it.
they silence thousands of victims every year. especially women which have been abused by powerful politicians or famous people.
Bill cosbys victims have been silenced for years, until no one cared about him enough any more to protect him.
@Dante Good which is why America has an openly racist president.
1 likeμ Ted how do you know?
0 likesμ Ted and the phrase talk shit, get hit has nothing to do with what happened here.
0 likesI'm glad he didn't get a lawyer
1 like@Jiří hence no comment at all times
0 likes@Sam-pson Smith reaching an out-of-court settlement or a party taking money in exchange for their refraining from engaging in legal action, is not the same as "being silenced", the latter which implies a threat of violence or coercion. I mean, do people not remember the Gennifer Flowers scandal which involved a woman making public allegations of sexual misconduct against the President of United States? Many of the actresses who accused Harvey Weinstein of sexual assault initially stayed silent in exchange for a large sum of cash or due to concerns about their career (albeit the latter is still a huge problem and could be considered coercion) but there was no physical barrier to them filing a suit against him.
0 likes@Somni 224 you are right, everything you said are real things, and real problems.
0 likesbut so is everything i said. People are being threatened and sometimes even killed to protect certain people in power.
(The cosby case was just an example i don't know enough about it to argue on that.)
@Sam-pson Smith fair enough. I would say, however, that the cases where people have been silenced/barred from taking legal action through violence is more tied with criminal activity, such as instances with involving the mafia, than due to some flaw in the US legal system that makes such behavior a viable option; which was the point of my initial response to you.
0 likes@Somni 224 and i am saying it is not the mafia but powerful elite.
0 likeswhich is i guess the point on which we disagree. i will not pretend to know enough about the US legal system to point out the exact flaws. i am not even talking about the US in general. But rather see that as a global issue.
There are people above the law, that was my point.
Ok
0 likesLuc - I’m talking about this case specifically.
0 likesPlot twist.Shes now married to a BLACK man.😆Im DUNN!!
0 likesSad story.😭..😀 LAUGHTER eases pain.Have a FREE LAUGH on me.Watch my 2nd OPEN MIC.
“Avid gun guy”. Ugh. This is the worst of that stereotype. A weak man who recklessly uses a gun to feel powerful.
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Seriously. Just listen to Joe Rogan and hit the weights. I guess he can do that in prison too.
0 likesThis is the most HD real court footage I’ve ever seen.
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Yeah it looked like a movie
36 likesSeriously I thought I was watching a court show for a moment there.
12 likesr/PraiseTheCameraman
11 likesU could smell the farts
5 likesLooked like a Fincher film written by Sorkin
0 likes"I didn't realize I was being charged with murder and attempted murder... That sucks" made me snort. Also like you know what really sucks? The fact a kid died.
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I sat transfixed and horrified through the whole thing, then he said that and I snorted too. Then went right back to horrified.
2 likesIt reminded me of me, though. I once got stabbed in the eye with a pencil (luckily not very deeply because I jerked back and it was a soft lead pencil), everyone turns around and looks and GASPs because I am sitting there with a pencil sticking out of my fingers what are covering my eye. I reach up with the other hand, yank the pencil out, hand it to the other adult who was coming over to assist me and said, totally deadpan, "Ouch. This sucks."
A kid died? I didn't see no kid.
0 likes17 about to be 18. 30 year olds are kids today.
0 likesIt’s clear he’s embellished the story. Why would one need to do that unless the truth is insufficient? “Scared for my life so I went back to my motel and waited for more armed thugs, ordered a pie, popped a cork and didn’t call police.” Really?!?
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😂 he was so scared he needed the alcohol to escape his demons.
14 likesDon't forget walking the dog!
10 likes@fligglebobbin And taking the dog to use the bathroom (which he described as "potty", as though he was 5)
0 likesI agree with you David if the truth is sufficient why lie
1 like“I didn’t know I was being charged for murder and attempted murder, that sucks” guy is a joke
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“That sucks😕” zero emotion
36 likes“That sucks” to the charge, no response to the death of a young man... Yikes
16 likesYou’re In a glass cage of emotion!
1 likeRhonda is breaking my heart.
0 likesAn absolute narcissist that showed NO remorse whatsoever... Disgusting. RIP Jordan Davis, may he rest in peace.
122 likes“I really didn’t know I was going to be charged with murder and attempted murder...That sucks.”
829 likesThis guy...
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Thats because he shot at them, so he wouldnt die fun fact
2 likes“He was scared for his life” though. 🤣🤣 that whole sweet voice he had when they were interviewing him... 🤮🤮
4 likeslmao no you don’t know . You don’t think about it when it go down .
2 likesAll he had to do was drive away from the loud music! Who is so entitled they think they are judge, jury, and executioner!!! Hey pops, let the kids have fun! You 😈 demon!!!
2 likesThat’s the mind state of a person who has lived an entire life with white privilege & entitlement!He is white privilege personified for those people who don’t blv white privilege is even a real thing
6 likes@socillizt4life It's ok to be white. He has no remorse it has nothing to do with race, at all.
1 like@65firered Like someone else said, he was relying on systemic racism and prejudice to see him through, but it backfired.
1 likeRight?! WTF?
0 likes“where did you shoot at”
2628 likes“i shot at the door”
“what was the purpose of that”
“to save my life”
“....from the door...”
IM PISSING MY PANTS THAT WAS SO FUNNY PLS. that cop was fed up w his bs
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i imagine him looking at the watch and thinking how long they had to listen to him
50 likesLmao
0 likes43:20
23 likesI didn't know Bob Vance Vance Refrigeration was such a cold guy. But I guess it makes sense
26 likesAnother funny thing the cop said “your car is not shooting at them. You are.” Perfect logic!
18 likesCop: 29:23 “I can’t shoot someone because “in my mind” they had a weapon.”
24 likesAlso cops: Routinely kill people because they think someone has a weapon.
Just saying...
@Sean Matthew King Hey man, cops are individuals. Some cops genuinely shouldn't be cops, but it's unfair to assume all cops actively look for opportunities to kill.
13 likes@Wyrmkin Toothgrim No its not. They all claim to be brothers so they dont get to be a gang and individuals at the same time.
4 likesI laughed pretty hard when Dunn says “I thought they’d shoot the car so I got out” and the cop goes “your car wasn’t shooting them!?” 😂
2 likes@Sean Matthew King I would agree to an extent.
2 likesOn one side, Imagine someone who has been shot at multiple times in the past and many times you couldn't tell until after the first shot, and the PTSD effects your decision making when you see a sudden movement that could be someone reaching for a gun.
At the same time, there are officers who are rather trigger happy and are despicable.
@Sean Matthew King
0 likesDo you know what the word 'routinely' means, my guy?
@Jason Boyce True. And you can tell it breaks that detective's heart. He is so composed dealing with a tragedy.
0 likestbh I think people like Dunn are... mentally unable to take responsibility, if that makes sense? So they'll (conscioously or unconsciously? I don't know) say stuff like "I shot at the door" instead of "I shot at the person behind that door", because shooting at an object and hitting someone "incidentally" is less bad that hitting someone with intent and damaging an object for that purpose.
7 likesPolice interrogations will also often say stuff like "the event" instead of "the shooting" or "the murder". Might be something like, softer language so these people don't put a guard back up? It's easier to be "considered" "part of an event" than being "accused" of "committing a crime", especially if you're unable to take responsibility.
@Wyrmkin Toothgrim He didn't say all cops.
0 likesRest in Peace Jordan Davis, your young life was heartlessly taken.
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SilentGamer Serves him right how? For listening to music like people do? And some old racist decided to kill him?
148 likes@M Czenk Don´t be disrespecting older people. He own that bullet!
4 likesAmen girl
2 likesHe's only 17 that's so sad
46 likesMathias Grün um, I don’t give a fuck if he disrespected him. He had no right to take Jordan’s life.
89 likesSilentGamer ok troll.
36 likes@Mathias Grün Do you think someone deserve to die because he disrespected an older person? I think by that logic half the world would be dead by now.
59 likesMathias Grün Tf is wrong with you. He didn’t even touch the radio. From my understanding he was in the back seat.
8 likesHe hung around a shitty crowd apparently. Sucks for him.
2 likesM Czenk i think he meant the shooter and that he’s charged with murder
0 likesGod bless Michael Dunn.
3 likesThat’s too horrible that precious soul was taken off this earth. Why didn’t the racist B just move his car. Let the kids be kids.
1 likeThe Bringer of Salt he did..str8 into a prison cell for life..Amen🙏🏾
1 like@Christian Cullen why shoot a group of teenagers for being teenagers? Why not be considerate of human life?
9 likes@Christian Cullen Are you trying to justify this guys actions for shooting at a bunch of teenagers?
0 likes@Christian Cullen why why shoot an innocent teenager
0 likes@Gabrielle Purdy it's not okay to kill, but at the same time not okay to disrespect people just because they wanted your LOUD music turned down. Man, imagine if they just turned it down to their own, and not threatened like they were tough guys, this would've turned out completely different
2 likes 2020 and still think teenagers are innocents. Don't get me wrong, I agree that killing is wrong, but THREATENING to kill someone is fairly wrong too.
2 likesThe fuck is wrong with you people defending these kids, masking them as "innocent". Not all of them are innocent.
@Dylan Boe You clearly didn't get the point. Did he shoot them because they're teenagers or did he shoot them because they were threatening to take his life?
1 likeLet's check your comprehension
etaperily lol k i guess
2 likes@SilentGamer imagine unironically using libtard as an insult in 2020 😭 i could not imagine being that smooth brained🤣😎
2 likesImagine unironically using emojis past 12 years old.
2 likes@SilentGamer are the emojis too much for the nerd to handle? Do they hurt his smooth brain because he cant process emotions like the rest of us? Awww poor baby 😰😰😰
2 likesDylan Boe are you having a stroke?
2 likes@SilentGamer no im not but that was a really funny and clever insult 😐😐😐
2 likes@SilentGamer stfu redditor
2 likes@SilentGamer yes because i knew it would insult you ;)
1 like@L. R. Wow and you think that would be an insult? How old are you?
1 like@L. R. I can't even remember why I triggered you and you're still talking, that's quite sad actually.
2 likes@SilentGamer Oh, you didn't trigger me I just saw your comments and thought you'd be fun to mess with. Clearly it worked, thanks for playing luv xx
2 likes@L. R. Not really, but whatever helps you sleeping at night I guess, good night boy.
1 like@SilentGamer And a lovely night to you as well ;)
2 likes@L. R. Yup, night boy.
1 like@SilentGamer this isn't pol. Simmer down.
2 likesDude’s a monster and a coward for pretending to be the victim. He’s too emotionally stunted to understand the perspective of those guys whose normal day he turned into an actual horrifying and traumatic nightmare. He can’t see himself from the outside. He can’t see what he did. It’s like he’s a toddler with no theory-of-mind. It’s creepy that someone can commit murder and then be unable to see themselves as a murderer.
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I feel the same!!! He had absolutely no remorse. Gun unfounded yet he needs to imagine that there was one in order to justify his murder.
9 likesIt's frightening how many people out there think that all rules go out the window when they feel disrespected/offended.
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And how many of those people have a gun in their disposal....
4 likes39:33 The only plausible explanation for this contradiction is that when he used the word kids, he was just using it to describe people who were significantly younger than him, not necessarily people who are minors.
62 likesI've met multiple people throughout my late teens and 20s who have referred to me and other people in my age group as "kids," not because we were actual kids, but because the person in question was middle-aged or older.
Not saying that the guy is defensible in any way, I'm just saying that it's something that a lawyer could explain away in court
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True
1 like- "am i being charged with murder and attempted murder?"
139 likes- "yes"
- "that sucks..." 😂
I am sincerely disturbed by the prejudice of this dude and how it manifested into a total nightmare. What a tragedy. My heart hurts for anyone close to the situation and anyone even potentially triggered by this racist confrontation.
12 likesI can see how much it bothers her that it was her idea to stop at the store. She had no idea what was going to go down but if they skip that stop then non of this probably happens.
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the question is if he would do something like that later, or it would never happen and he would live his life. I would really like to know.
0 likesRhonda did an amazing thing in telling the truth. This man was clearly a manipulative, controlling man. She did the right thing. You do not lie to cover a partners massive error. You never lie to law enforcement. You never "cover" for a partner. Its not worth the trouble you can get in. Honesty is hard, but it's so important. I respect Rhonda for being honest and doing what was right. She was hurting but stayed strong. I wish her all the best in her future I really do.
15 likesDespite the fact that this man is a cold blooded criminal and it’s good that he’s off the streets, this is another great example of why you should always get a lawyer.
27 likesHe talked so much without counsel in his initial interrogation that his case was over before it even began. Crazy.
I can tell Rhonda had a great upbringing. She is a rare diamond in a world of rocks. We need more people like her.
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She is a hero indeed
0 likesFor telling the truth on the stand? Well, you know that she would have been crucified if she had said anything else... her earlier interrogation testimony was that no gun had been mentioned by Mike. The detectives made sure to get a recording of her saying it twice at least.
0 likesSo at the trial, she had no choice but to tell the truth on that point. The defense would have already known this and should have been prepared for it.
@uruiamnot CRUCIFIED?? 🤣🤣❤️
0 likesShe sang like a bird because women watch a lot of true crime and they know what happens if you lie to the cops.
2 likesThe Way that he kept firing at the car when they were driving away reminded me of a Swedish shooting, where the cops killed a 20 year old man with downs syndrome, described as "Having the mental and communicative capacity of a 3 year old"
22 likesHe had ran away from home with a toy gun, an obvious one that is made of plasic and is green and blue.
Cops found him due to the mother calling that he had ran away and was carrying a toy gun but just wanted him found. At the time he was apparently just playing in the woods.
The Three cops claimed they feared he was aggressive as he raised his obvious toy gun and shot at him 25 times, where 3 of those shots hit, two in the back with one being fatal.
The cops was cleared of all charges.
"No no, we were the victims. He tried to attack us with an imaginary weapon!"
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Omg.... that is fucking devastating. : (
2 likes@Aimee Nicole it would be if it were true. Found the news story, neighbors called in to police saying they thought it was a real gun. It is described as resembling a ‘submachinegun’, not a ray gun. Young man’s name was Eric Torell, look it up.
1 likeAlcohol, not wanting to look like a milk toast in front of your faience..and a narcissistic hero complex led to this. It always amazes me the lengths that people will go to..to try and make the world revolve around themselves. My condolences to the family of that young boy.
5 likesI've met this kind of fellow many times in life. A truly unsalvageable type of individual.
3 likesI honestly think he thought he’d get away with it, and have Rhonda white lie about not shooting or being there. But then someone died, and talking his way out of it was no longer the case.. The ego is so powerful, the ego has caused so many fights and deaths bc walking away seems weak. Walk away, it’s a harder option!
3 likesA few minutes of loud music while waiting for Rhonda, that's all it took, to turn lives upside down. Its entirely possible Mr. Dunn truly felt a sense of threat, at least a "perception of threat". Perceptions are learned, created, indoctrinated. Guns don't create security, in fact they create insecurity as we perceive others being armed. Guns aside, mind is another volatile zone, that's where emotions, reactions, thoughts, beliefs, pressures and perceptions are born, leading to rather erratic and automatic behaviors. So much chaos could have been prevented. RIP young man.
3 likesThe guy has the mentality of a 14 year old at best..... unbelievable he made it this far in life without other major problems
6 likes90 years plus additional life. Yikes. A lesson to all the rambos out there. RIP to the kid who was shot. Dunn lacking in self awareness. His guilt seems obvs.
2 likesI do have conflicting some thoughts about this video though. Claiming that he knew they were minors. And playing up his use of word kids. I call kids anyone under 27. I feel there was some bias apparent there. Also what if his fiance is fabricating claiming no weapon mentioned. She initially said it was fairly silent. My wife tonight forgot that she used to cover the kids milk with plastic wrap before microwaving. She swears she never did. Ut i recall vividly she did. People can forget things you would expect theyd recall easily.
Did this happen in Oregon? I'm an Oregonian and this reminded me a lot of how certain groups of people act. The whole "I was just defending myself, they were gonna kill me. They were thugs!" and it's just baseless attempts to justify dehumanizing other individuals. My heart goes out to the victim and their family. Justice was served although nothing will ever bring back the victim and that is what we must remember above all else.
1 likeRegardless of this case, all of the suspects that are interrogated on this channel are almost always convicted because they are stupid enough to talk to the police without a lawyer.
5 likesEven in the trial he’s enjoying telling how he shot at them exclaiming “you’re not going to kill me!” Like it’s a game or something
5 likesI feel bad for his daughter. She looked so beautiful at her wedding. Then all of this is going on. "What happened to your daddy, we are ready for the daddy/daughter dance." Well, he just killed a young man and went and ordered pizza. My wishes go out for the young couple. They look very happy.
4 likesHands down one of the greatest YouTube channels to ever exist. JCS, please keep making content. You are AMAZING!
33 likesRuined his life on the day of his sons wedding over loud music... God damn man old people need to get off their high horse. Got what he deserved for his prideful view on life and what I assume are racial prejudices. I don't know how a man could try to justify pulling a gun like that and unloading the clip, walking away thinking he did the right thing.
5 likesthe intro is all you need. just the way he laughs it off even with the gravity of the situation
1 likeHe was already drunk and had that liquid courage… seen some young kids and tried to be a macho man… he actually thought he would get away with this crime
4 likesUnfortunate how these tragedies get sparked. God help us all. We need it!
1 like“I didn’t know I was being charged with murder and attempted murder… that sucks” Lmao
10 likes“The sad fact of it is, is that he’s telling me he’s gonna kill me” no THE SAD FACT is that you opened fire on a car full of unarmed boys, took one of their lives and feel no remorse about it.
7 likesHow could someone, in the right state of mind, get out of his car in order to fire at someone with a gun???????
2 likesDunn is GUILTY!!!!!!!!!!!!
They just could not get him over the bridge that there WAS NO SHOTGUN. It’s like he doesn’t want to be bothered with that minor fact and can’t understand why they keep bringing it up😂 He really believes it doesn’t matter whether they had a weapon or not. He genuinely believes all that matters is what was going on in his sick, demented head and depraved heart. Those rum and cokes betrayed him. Did him in. Devil. I hope he’s having a great time with Bubba😂
2 likesFrankly, if I killed someone I'd prefer to just get it out right away instead of lying about it. Honesty helps more.
0 likesAs my dad has said to me about any action that you think is right, but will be punished
"Always count your coin, because there is no fooling the butchers bill."
All actions have consequences and you have to accept it, no matter what. You WILL pay the butchers bill, so be damn sure you can afford it before acting. Just because it cost more than you thought doesn't abstain you from the cost.
56:02 Rhonda saying no for all the questions made me feel so bad for her
4 likes“There was no weapon found in the vehicle.”
5 likes“Was there a stick?”
😧
These people are just as dangerous as a "normal" murderer. They just hide it behind a facade of self defense and pretending to be the victim. Like a parasite.
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This is a result of gun laws in US. You have a lot of guys like this (also see Michael Drejka) who are deeply obsessed with firearms snd quasi military training and are desperate for a situation to come up where they feel threatened so they could open fire.
2 likesThe defence is that people kill people not guns, but nobody outside of the US is driving around with knives and crossbows and going to knife clubs to learn self defence etc.
2A has a cost and this is it.
@rafer Jefferson iii you picked out two of the worst examples possible. Not only that, but both examples are serving very long prison terms. Seems like the system is working.
0 likes@Robert Gaudet well, it isn’t is it? 2 men are dead, and the state has to support 2 men in prison until they die.
0 likesWhereas this wouldn’t have happened at all in Europe.
For goodness sake try to think these things through, if the system worked those 2 men would still be alive.
Witness 7 is the smart one to avoid that open parking spot. Also Rhonda did the right thing by not covering for the douche.
2 likesRhonda , please move forward , you are too nice to be friends with that pathetic guy.
2 likesCalling them “kids” doesn’t mean he knew they were “kids” could just mean “young people”. That man is old. I’m in my mid 30s and even I call people that are 23-24 year olds kids lol. Someone who is 24 is obviously full grown. Just something I wanted to point out. Anyways what happened was WRONG it did not need to end in a shooting with a pointless loss of live. Very sad
1 likeUnfortunely you have to wait until a weapon is pointed at you with witnesses or video to claim stand your ground.
0 likesImagine being testified against by your own wife...
1 like"It was either a barrel or a stick." Very convincing stuff...
1 likeI love your channel ! You’re my favourite new channel I’ve found ! I can only hope someone says the same about me one day :)
0 likesCan we take a moment to appreciate Rhonda for being a genuinely honest and kind human being and not even for a second considering she could lie to protect this monster? Thank you, Rhonda. I'm sorry this man stole your heart and your time from you. You'll find someone much better.
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she probably saw the opportunity to get out of a shitty abusive marriage and took it. Good for her.
14 likes@Jack M. indeed
0 likesJack M. Wasn’t even married yet
1 like@Parkour they were engaged, she dodged the bullet. Why are you being a pedant, lol
7 likesThis fool thought he was a tough guy.. well.. now he gets to prove how tough he is for the rest of his life.
2 likeswhen he called himself the "victor" i got angry
5 likes56:00 - When Dunn's entire defense collapsed due to the honesty of his girlfriend. Damn, I guess he didn't have those mind-control powers that he wished for.
2 likes"I really didn't know I was being charged for murder and attempted murder. That sucks."
2 likesYup.
Another example that having a gun is more likely to cause your demise than to your save your life
3 likesI feel bad for Rhonda because she had to be there yo witness it all and see her fiancée kill an innocent man
0 likes23:40 you can kinda hear in the cops voice “ya know hindsight’s 20/20!” Ok so now he’s saying he saw a barrel??? Which was it?! A shotgun across his chest or a barrel? AUGH, those independent witnesses’s will fuck ya every time right?!
0 likesEasy fix: Don't give everyone guns. Hell, take away everyone's guns. No guns, no gun violence.
2 likes"I hate this thug music."
11 likesgoes on to do some thug shit
"Being in a room by myself kinda sucks...". You're in a cell. This man has lost all sense of reality.
1 like"i honestly got the shit scared out of me."
0 likes"oh, i know."
that sarcastic tone is priceless.
If the music is so loud that you can barely hear anything then how did you hear them saying they were going to kill you?
0 likes“He was coming at me” poor kid didn’t even get out of the car 🤦🏼♂️
0 likesI can't be the only person that feels like he has done this before just not been caught! He just seems to be far to calm!
5 likes29:07 the irony of an officer of the law claiming that you cant shoot at someone just because you think he has a weapon
6 likesIf only he knew how to keep his thoughts to himself and how to keep his big mouth shut.
0 likesHad he just remained in his vehicle and waited for his fiancé to return, they proably wouldn't have been around the so called "thug" music much longer. And the poor kid would have never have lost his life at such a young age.
Also, what the f!ck is "thug" music? Like how does a person consider a certain type of music, "thug"? Just because you don't like it? I don't like rap music, but I don't think it's "thug" music. I just don't like it. It's not my taste, not my style.
Anyways, I'm glad this guy is behind bars.
So unprovoked he shot at the young men, why does this make zero sense. Was loud music and a verbal dispute enough to justify shooting his gun ?
1 likeHe initiated his own downfall, why he didn’t park his car as far away from loud music if he doesn’t like it.
3 likesI've never watched this whole video, because this guy is so difficult to listen to. I just am left with a bad taste in my mouth for this man.
0 likesDude had a ride or die fiancé , why would you risk that for what?
2 likes"How much more grevious the consequences of anger than the causes of it." Marcus Aurelius
0 likesThe wife knows he has a short temper and I wonder if she answered that question under oath?
0 likesnah yeah i could see him making up the shotgun thing after realizing what he did - no idea how a cop could wrap their mind around anyone doing something like that though i mean 'he definitely had a gun' amirite?
0 likesMore content dude! Please!!!
0 likesThis is why I avoid any public altercations. You never know who will be a psychopath looking for someone to shoot. They should have just kept the music down and left. He shouldn’t have asked them to turn the music down in the first place but since he did they could have just gone on their own way. Being a tough guy is never worth it due to psychos like this guy
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“They should have just kept the music down and left”…that’s wild to blame the victim.
3 likesThey had no obligation to turn the music down IN THEIR OWN CAR.
4 likesHe shouldn't have shot at them. End of story. What is wrong with you?
0 likes“Before I do, anything, I ask myself, “Would an idiot to that?” If the answer is yes, I do not do that thing.” Dwight.
1 likeHe thought by saying "I feared for my life" was going to help him 🤣🤣🤣
0 likes15:06 i just wanted to say that i sometimes refer to others as "kids" even though they're adults and sometimes even older than me. generally when i use it in this way, it's more of like a condescending remark to something they've done that's juvenile. i don't mean to defend the guy; even with my usage of the word, it implies he saw their loud music as juvenile and thought himself better than them because of it. i just don't agree with the prosecution suggesting his usage of "kids" implies he knew their age.
0 likesNothing will justify that poor boy's death, but I'm so glad they confronted him at the end and told him that he had NO criminal history. Truly breaks my heart. I hope he's living peacefully in heaven.
31 likesI have to say that I am in my mid 50s and everyone younger than me is ‘a kid’, a girl or boy. I’d say up to about 40 yeah. Those kids. That girl… Just the way I talk and think. Everyone doesn’t do those things the same.
0 likesThat was bothering me. Had to chime in.
"I have so much going on in my personal life..." Oh really? Pray tell! "The last thing I want to do is be in trouble." And so that's why I carry a Dirty Harry-style gun in my glove box.
0 likes“Hopefully it’s the guy that I hit” sir you are not convincing
1 like"I thought I was gonna be killed... I was just, like, going: "Oh my god, where is all this hostility coming from?" ."
0 likesI thought heat of the moment means no premeditation which means no first degree murder charge? Thought it would be second degree or manslaughter .
0 likesWhile he seems to have been in the wrong it seems a severe sentence compared to many other criminal cases. I had a shadow of a doubt until his fiance's testimony.
1 likewhen the love of your life put you in jail maximum years 😂
0 likes“I really didn’t know that I was being charged with murder and attempted murder… that sucks…”
1 likeI get the feeling he was abit drunk and aggressive when drinking, he snapped over something so small, loud music, he aimed his loaded gun straight at them boys with intent to put a bullet in them, why didn’t he just show it as a scare tactic he didn’t really need to shoot, obviously he wasn’t thinking clearly due to having 4 rum and coke, and being somewhat racist, and showing no remorse for killing a boy, hes gunna regret that decision the rest of his days
0 likesIf this video doesn't sum up the political state of America right now then I don't know what will
2 likeswhy in the US you cant talk to lawyer before speaking to police? i mean i see in all the videos the accused men are kinda forced to speak to police without even seeing a lawyer
0 likesProsecutor sounds like Kevin Costner. Half expecting to hear "Back and to the left..."
1 likeThe black gentleman in the yellow tie at the trial, most likely Jordan Davis's father, looked like he wanted to jump out of his skin when done recounts his "chits going down" version of events.
1 likeHer testimony killed him he deserves what he got
0 likesThis guy had a gun to protect himself, and set out to use it.
0 likesbig props to the wife!
0 likes“I know I shoot through the door. Driving him back.”
5 likes“How’s he coming out if you shot through the door? You’re confusing us.”
“Alright.” - he says this like it’s a challenge.
I've been next to vehicles with the music blaring and bass thumping. It is irritating because I don't like loud noises. But what you do is just wait it out. She was going to be in and out of that store in 5 min. or less. He certainly could have put up with the music for a few minutes.
1 likeHe called because he knows it’s being recorded!
0 likesPride will lead you down such a bad road. Just let it go.
2 likesSo much lies from this guy it's insane
0 likesstopping to add the joint and sunglasses thug life meme to these detectives every time they earned it would triple this videos length.
0 likesMichael Dunn is your typical entitled boomer.
2 likesI just don't understand. Trust me, I go to work every morning, so if he was home trying to sleep while some dude was outside blaring music, I'd be very sympathetic to that. Been in that situation before and it's very stressful. But bro!! He was at a gas station during the middle of the day!! Like how tf was that music bothering him? It's music, it wasn't physically affecting him. It wasn't keeping him awake. What a baby smh
1 likeimagine throwing your life away over loud music that you would be near for less than 5 minutes :|
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He’s gonna be around it much more in jail lol
0 likes“I hate that thug music”
1 like*commits armed murder in a parking lot*
This is HATRED, RACIALLY motivated.
3 likesI would argue just bc using two hands doesn't mean it takes more time to think. If you've trained yourself to draw and fire with two hands, it's natural if able.
0 likes27:42. He never saw a gun ! Liar
0 likes29:06 "I can't shoot somebody because in my mind they had a weapon."
1 likewell, unless you're a cop
I knew it! It was Arthur Leigh Allen!!!
0 likesThis guy was looking for trouble. And he found it.
0 likesI feel like the white homeboy could have avoided all of this, if Rhonda could have introduced him to Playboi Carti.
0 likes"I mean, it's absurd that they would do that, but you know, they are violent"
0 likesHMMMMMMMMMMMMM
The judge waiting to clock out 🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️
0 likesHe was a software developer?! He doesn’t seem bright or articulate enough.
0 likesam i the only that can't stop revisiting this video just to hear at 55:20 "let me finish"
0 likesDammmn, that was better than any motion picture i saw recently
0 likesThere may be some racial undertones in this case
1 likeDoes the suspect have a job at Fox News yet?
0 likesWhole life gone away in the blink of an eye
0 likesThis dude has the same mannerisms as Chris Chan
1 likeSad! Over music 🎶 he didn't understand or like. We live in a world where people believe they can't be offended. Learn to deal with things you can't control.. and control ourselves. Peace ✌
0 likesOf course he’s being held in Oregon… fits right in
0 likesWhy fuzz her out? We already saw her on the surveillance footage…
0 likesAlways get a lawyer.
0 likesHe thought he was going to walk like Zimmerman.
0 likesthis is beautiful
0 likesCorect response would be: "alright son, I go and make you a brother now".
0 likesIts not like you are going to be at the service station for a long time. Why mess with folks? Let people alone. If they are not mess with don't mess people back
0 likesAll that's missing so far is "I'm American, man!"
0 likes20 bucks says he's that guy at the range shooting at the burly thug with the gun paper target practicing his two hand draw just waiting for the day someone tests him
0 likesLong story short: smoking kills
1 likeI hate when I'm watching these and 10 mins in I realize I already seen it.
1 likewhy the court videos shot like a movie?
4 likesEven Clayton Bixby didn't shoot teenagers because of loud rap music.
3 likesI wonder if he would have been convicted if they didn't talk to the pigs
1 likePoor innocent kid , RIP ! This sick monster who killed you unfairly is not capable of hurting more innocent people, he is rotting in jail for the rest of his life ! Never gonna see the day light 😢
0 likesno remorse no conscience no dearness ! Nothing at all ! It’s shocking how he deal with killing an innocent unarmed underage kid just listening his favorite music 😭 and about Rhonda just respect ! She is a honorable woman !
Little man (nothing to do with physical size) spent his whole life being small (listen to his wheedy voice), as he was, until in one moment he found an excuse to use the gun to make himself feel big.
3 likesBut it didn't make him big. It just made him a small, dangerous man with a gun, who was becoming even smaller.
Being dangerous isn't big, it is, actually, the opposite.
What I don’t understand is that the detective says “I can’t shoot someone because I THINK they have a gun, despite officers killing people all the time because they THINK they have a gun” sounds a little odd to me
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Amen
0 likesTruth
0 likesIf a cop did this it be justice
0 likesKaren got mad and shot a kid end of a story
0 likesokay did the kid open the door because unfortunately them's definitely fightin' words...
0 likesbe real you never heard a kid 'i'll f*in k!ll that ninja bro - he step to me i'll be a listener of rap music... which just got turned down.'
"9mm or .45 it was a large caliber " bruh
0 likesRhonda is my hero.
1 likehe’s so terrible lying
0 likes“I don’t like that thug music.” Proceeds to pull out his glock.
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Unimaginably based.
1 likeIs it a coincidence that it's a black police officer doing the interrogation? I have a feeling the suspect didn't like that part.
0 likesI'm sorry Rhonda...
0 likesevery day that I’m alive Ima ride wit this stick
0 likes-21 savage
These hot shots all studied at the George Zimmerman school for storytelling
0 likeshe was sitting there thinking 'fuuuuuck'
0 likesI can't with the whiny voice.
2 likesThis is why A. You should have proper training to own a gun and B. You shouldn’t point a gun at someone you don’t intend to kill. What a sick boomer fuq!
0 likesi cant remember if i've watched this one
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ok i definitely have yuck
0 likesthe song that was playing was Beef by lil Reese when this Dunn told them to turn it off
0 likesI am still so dumbfounded that he could shoot 10 shots at some kids for living their life and still think he is a victim. Disgusting
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Thank you. Disgusting indeed.
10 likesAgreed, some people think their way is all the matters. Pure evil.
9 likesThugs threatened the wrong guy. I live around these vile creatures and know exactly what happened. Too bad he didn`t get them all.
5 likes@BAN EVERYTHING! "Vile creatures" yeah buddy, it's totally them that's the problem. Not you or him.
14 likesBAN EVERYTHING! Sooo much hate in your heart? Too bad there is no medicine for that..
10 likesKids blast their music. It’s just part of adolescence and young adulthood. I hate to say it but I think this is really about race. Because I can’t help but wonder if he would’ve reacted like this if the kids were white.
6 likesThis is why I told my teens to be cordial with their elders. So many older men especially are hateful to young men. I have heard older ladies call teen girls whores because of their fashion statement s. Short or those tight fitting clothes & how dare these women use that language around kids ! I instructed my kids to be helpful but careful ,feel the elderly out a bit as some have dementia & guns. Guys have told my son's computers are stupid & they are gay for going to college & getting a PhD they should work a Man's job like the military or construction. 😆 Beware of Crazy old people with guns !
6 likesblew that attempt at a moral high ground, didn't ya Andrew
2 likesPeyton Farrell never said I was in the right for saying what I said but sure whatever you say peyton
2 likesAndrew Mahon so you're admitting that you're no better. well
3 likesi guess i agree.
Peyton Farrell aight so the guy calling black kids vile creatures and wishing death on them is okay but me wanting a racist to get beat up is so wrong. Sorry but I think I’m definitely better than someone wishing death on “vile creatures”. Just admit you’re racist like that other guy and move on
3 likesKristin Breen he is a psycho
0 likesthis is exactly what i felt the whole time
0 likesHe’s a racist for sure
0 likes@Andrew Mahon they won't, they're cowards
0 likes@BAN EVERYTHING!
0 likesExactly.
@VC Islander I`ve been attacked by gangs, robbed, carjacked and kidnapped....on and on....and they say I hate for no reason. If I go into detail YouTube simply deletes my comment. The violence and hatred directed at whites is effectively covered up.
1 like@Termite Bacon Tell us how great Trayvon was. I`m sure you defended him too...
1 like@BAN EVERYTHING! Here's an idea: maybe save your hatred for the specific people that have harmed you, not the entire race.
0 likes@Termite Bacon Any interaction with this race is dangerous. Your "friend" will draw others in who will scope out your place and eventually rob you. This is a common occurrence. When you let your guard down around these creatures, or project your sense of morals and decency on them, you might be making a fatal mistake. Yes, some bees don`t sting, but I dare you to kick the hive. But bees only sting in self defense. These creatures will destroy you out of pure animal instinct, envy, and blind hatred.
1 likeAnd it's hard to understand why if he didn't feel severely threatened? In that case he ought to have tried it before and gotten in trouble before.
0 likesI REALLY feel like Rhonda was abused on a regular basis by this man. She was clearly terrified of him that night, she was afraid to say anything to him so she kept quiet- she even said she didn't want to upset him, so I bet his anger is often out of control- and then she was afraid to talk about it on the way home so she was silent as he continually lovebombed her to try to manipulate her into backing him up because he knew they'd both be found and questioned soon. She hesitated and was even afraid to say to the investigator that she was thinking "how could he do something so stupid" because she generally isn't able to voice thoughts like this about him. His abuse is evident all over her, and I hope she's able to find strength in herself and move on from him. He's a covertly abusive monster.
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well, obviously sdhe don't have that problem anymore, no reason to worry.
4 likesThat’s very perceptive of you to spot. Thank you for adding this point of view
26 likesSuper appreciate this comment! I felt all of this but couldn't put it into words, so thank you. I think she's lucky he didn't kill her on the drive back or at the hotel that night.
19 likesA neighbor said that Dunn's ex-wives had told him the guy was violently abusive to them.
18 likesthis is reminding me of battered woman syndrome which idek how relevant that is these days or in this situation. but just that conversation where he calls her from prison is a prime example of his manipulation and her deescalation. she clearly disagrees with him when she says, let's not talk about this anymore.
16 likesi was thinking the same exact thing 😢
1 likeIdk about abused.... Maybe she was terrified by learning that her husband had the capacity to kill people without guilt.
4 likesShe’s obviously deeply in love.
1 likeWow good insight I didnt think of that. It definitely makes sense.
2 likesLeave the freaking drama
0 likesagree, she was probably worried he'd shoot her too if she showed any signs of outrage at what he did.
5 likesYeah definitely, I thought this too but I think when she hesitated and asked if she should be talking about what she was thinking it's probably because she was told to just state the facts in the interview. It seems like it was based on something the detective said earlier if you listen closely to how he replies. At first he absently replies then he seems to remember something and tells her to tell him everything.
2 likesI’m so glad she didn’t lie for him!
5 likesMy impression is that they are two very sheltered people who rarely, if ever, had any trouble with the law until he stupidly dropped this bombshell that destroyed and devastated so many lives. Watching this makes my heart break for the family and loved ones of of those poor kids and their friend who was murdered. And it breaks my heart to see Rhonda bravely doing the right thing by testifying and refuting his bogus claim that he told her he thought those kids were brandishing a gun. I'm just glad she was only with that guy for 4 years--a long time, sure, but still short enough that she can move on and put this dark chapter of her life behind her. If only the same could be said of the victim and his friends.
0 likesI was going to state exactly this. A guy who open fires at a car full of KIDS listening to music loudly has MAJOR anger issues. His reaction was so over the top it's insane. Living with him would be hell. You'd have to walk on egg shells all the time. To those who are familiar with narcissists like this it's clear to see how abusive he is.
4 likesU could see her shaking as she is testifying she was so scared she was going to say something to upset him just in the courtroom where he can't get to her and she is scared
0 likesAbsolutely, I definitely got that vibe
0 likesYeah, I think you're right. She sounded terrified.
0 likesYes I think she was afraid of this controlling narcissistic sociopath. Glad he will never get out.
0 likesIf your snivelling and have no tears then I don't trust you at all.
0 likesOnly past the phone call and I quickly get the sense he's the kind of guy who pushes people's buttons till they flip out so he can justified in his response.
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Fax no printer
4 likesYeah. I knew a girl like that. Then when I pushed her buttons (after she did that to me 5 times) she got offended. Hahahahaha they never like it when the tables are turned
3 likesRespect to the fiancée for being honest.
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Yes, I really feel for her.
1 likeShe's my hero. It's hard to do the right thing and choose to stand up for truth and justice when your loved ones are on the wrong side of it.
0 likesI'm sure she's a wonderful person with a kind heart. It's a shame for her that she had to be part of this tragedy. But lucky for the rest of us that there was a good person like her there to tell the truth of what happened.
57:03 WHY DID HE TURN ORANGE
1 likeimagine how traumatized these teenagers must have been to watch their own friend get shot in the same car
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i was thinking that
0 likesand bleed to death. it’s crazy.
2 likeshe bled to death, how traumatizing is that
1 likeIt was a clean shoot.
1 likeHope he enjoyed that last pizza.
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I don't.
1 likeIf it wasn't for the kid dying, this would almost be laughable. He's using all the slang he's ever heard on Netflix. Thank God for honest witnesses and true justice.
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"All that slang" could have been actually used in the event. Also he hardly mentioned any slang at all as far as I recall; I only heard him say one slang word "cracker".
6 likesIt's pointless since even if everything he said was true aside from the weapon it would still be murder.
@Mshojat I think the phrase "talking all that jazz" would make better sense to you on this one.
3 likesMshojat when he was describing what they apparently said (which apparently isn’t what they actually said) and was just spewing out “fuck that bitch I’m gonna kill the bitch”... I thought maybe they meant that as “slang”.
6 likesThis guy IS a hateful racist, murderer with zero remorse. The part overshadowed in this story is a teenaged boy that was murdered and the horror his family and friends have been put through. Condolences and prayers for them.
12 likesYou picked that up, too?
3 likessteph said i thought when he said that it sounded weird like something the bully would say in it 🤣
1 likeMshojat he literally lied about multiple things in his interrogation are u like willing ignorant??
0 likes@XaldinX i think they meant that IF michael said anything that was true, it would still be murder. the car was fleeing and no longer a threat. "suppression fire to keep their heads down" is murder
2 likesHe's a cold blooded killer, if he didn't get caught he would've killed again. How could you eat normally after killing a kid? I think he should've gotten the death penalty.
1 likeGood God, when he said he didn’t want to cause the police “a sleepless night” - my mouth dropped open. Someone just died over loud music - and he is acting like nothing happened... wow...
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They turned the music down TWICE!!!!! It baffles me how much credit people give this psycho... his poor fiancee
0 likesIs it possible that they hid the gun they disposed of the gun
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No chance, cause it seems the car was immediately apprehended for evidence. Moreover I don't think they were so worried about the potential gun as much as their best friend bleeding out beside them. Also- if they had a gun why didn't they shoot back? The kids aren't to blame here.
0 likesThis man was just incredibly racist and wanted an excuse to kill someone. I read those letters linked in the description and hoo boy. He was MESSED UP.
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What letters
5 likes^^ what letters?
2 likesPigwidgeon they are linked in the description of the video
4 likes@Gecks There's only two links in the description and they're both to other Youtube channels, not any letters.
0 likesNot racist, but okay
4 likes@Bubbles gg “the more I am exposed to these people, the more prejudiced against them I become.”
58 likesdid you read it the letters?
@Maecy don’t even bother replying to the “not racist” people. Literally it’s in their faces at this point
41 likesYou should hear what he did to his ex-wives.
5 likes@Jonelle Daniels Yeah, especially @The Devil
0 likes@Jake Yates what did he do? 👀
3 likes@Thælo Fox thank you for linking those! Though I have to say, I’m absolutely repulsed after reading them. What an undeniable monster.
8 likesI always want evidence before calling someone a racist, no matter who--since that's a big deal. because the shooting itself wasn't proof he was racist, it just proved he was a horrible crazy man.
15 likesBut I just read those letters you linked and yup. He seems pretty racist. Thanks for sharing man. The other people who are skeptical of his Dunns racism should read those letters too.
@Jake Yates dafuq?!??!!
0 likes@Derek Dan is it a big deal tho? Being racist comes with basically no repercussions.
0 likes@Derek Dan but even before reading the letters it’s clear that he’s racist, this man was trying to make those kids sound like they were and actual threat when it’s clear that they weren’t, ESPECIALLY when he said that they pulled out a gun. Try to be more critical the next time and not play blind
2 likes@Hotties Only how was what you just described racist? Is it racist to lie and make people look bad when they are innocent? I would say that's just evil. Those actions only only sound like someone who's irresponsible and really wanted to shoot people. Just because they happen to be different skin colors doesn't mean its automatically racist. Context matters. In this case, this guy is crazy, and there evidence to back up this was also racially motivated.
0 likesDerek Dan To automatically associate a black kid coming at you with a mortal threat is an expression of racist beliefs. So even at his best, assuming he’s telling the truth and honest in his beliefs, Dunns’s a racist. This is with or without him being a “horrible crazy man” who shoots to kill.
3 likes@Derek Dan context matters, the context is: they were black and he’s racist. There is literally no reason for him to feel like his life is at risk. And I don’t think you’re getting it, this wouldn’t have happened if they were white
2 likes@Chun Chung Chauwe're obviously looking at from different perspectives. The same could've happen with a white kid or an Asian kid. You can also assume a white, Indian, native American or Asian kid etc. is a "mortal threat" you don't have to be racist to assume that. It could be something you do with any human being. Obviously in this case, seems racism definitely played a part. The only thing I'm saying is that a shooting between two opposite races doesn't automatically mean racism. That would be ridiculous to assume, especially if you believe we are part of the same human race, color doesn't matter. That's why its important to find evidence someone is racist before calling them racist. In this case there is definitely evidence with everything he said and wrote.
0 likesDerek Dan Hmmm...I agree we need to be careful about accusing someone of being a racist given the seriousness of the allegation, but I guess what’s biting at me with these scenarios is simply the fact that exploring counterfactuals (eg would he have done the same thing had the kids been white or Asian?) just seems irrelevant.
0 likesBecause what we’re dealing with here is an asymmetry of information: We DO know how he reacts to perceived threats coming from a member of a race (Jordan). The issue being whether we can validly infer from this a negative disposition he has against said race.
What you’re suggesting is that the inference can only be drawn if the asymmetry is corrected or if the negative disposition obtains in all possible worlds to the exclusion of a similar disposition against other races. But I disagree. I think this is asking too much because for one, the asymmetry will always be there: You can be racist against more than one race. If you’re racist against blacks chances are you’ll find reason to hate other races too. So it seems in order to answer the question “Was Dunn being racist?” under your paradigm, there’ll be an infinite regress where we demand more and more counterfactuals to be brought up until we are PERFECTLY CERTAIN, or it is a logical impossibility that someone is or is not a racist. Notwithstanding that many of these counterfactuals can never occur, which means these are impossible questions with no answers but mere speculation, thinking like this leads to the inevitable conclusion that NO ONE can be safely called a racist, no matter their actions. This cannot be right.
I think the relevant circumstances to be considered here must assume the following:
(1) The shooter is white
(2) The unarmed victim is black
(3) The alleged reason for shooting is because of a perceived mortal threat
In thinking about the validity of an inference of racial motive we can consider different events which do not contradict these established premises, eg whether the white shooter has or doesn’t have black friends, or has a rocky or cordial history with members of the black community etc etc. But to the point where you alter any of the premises, say, consider what would have happened had (2) been false, you’re essentially considering a situation VERY different from what we’re contending with here, with its own set of unique considerations.
For example, if we think about what would’ve happened had the victims been Asian, given the form of racism Asians face is generally speaking less overt and more “it’s a joke but not really”, the fact that Dunn decides to kill or spare the would-be Asian victims would have less bearing over whether racism can be inferred from the act, compared to the situation here where premises (1) and (2) are simultaneously true. I don’t think it’s unreasonable to say when a white man gets off from killing an unarmed black teen in the US, an inference of racism must be much stronger and more reasonable than in analogous instances of inter-racial violence between different races, where the motive can range from racism to insanity.
It’s similar to how certain “scientists” write books about blacks on average having lower IQ only to claim that they’re not racist because it’s just an empirical conclusion ~~ True as that may be, you can’t not question the decision to target blacks specifically in these books because the history of black enslavement and deprivation (both material and intellectual) is not something you can just overlook. Similarly when Asians are offended by bad jokes, you can’t just say “oh but racist jokes can be made about just anyone” because the weight of an act as evidence in deciding whether racism is a motive is contextual. And in the context of gun violence, the presumption, imo, is absolutely in favor of racism.
I apologize if I come off as being overly complicating but given the seriousness of the subject matter I feel I can only do justice by sketching out why it’s NOT UNREASONABLE to assume racism, or at least it’d be very hard for someone in Dunn’s position to claim he’s not a racist - even without the added info such as the letters which surfaced after the trial - when we’re talking about shooting specifically between blacks and whites in the US. And this presumption, while defeasible by evidence - is not just a product of “woke” culture. It’s grounded in rationality and cannot simply be displaced by remote counterfactuals.
@Hotties Only Ignore him. He's a troll.
0 likes@Chun Chung Chau Ignore that dude. He's a troll.
0 likes@C Cannon He also tried to hire a hitman to kill someone.
0 likes@Jake Yates jesus christ seriously?
0 likes@Hotties Only I wonder what he thought of the Black detective 🤔
0 likesHe's in the least a bigot.
0 likes@lady hotep yeah I saw this in another comment, did you see how he was talking to a white cop and when they asked him how he pointed the gun the night of the event he did the example pointing towards the black cop?
0 likes@lady hotep According to one of his neighbors, yes.
0 likesAlso thank you to everyone who gave me all the likes!
0 likesHe’s definitely proud that he shot, as it was done so purposefully and maliciously, and doesn’t feel any guilt, and is even complimenting his gun handling skills. However he doesn’t want to deal with consequences.
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I've been shooting all my life, and just recently got my License to Carry. I've had range sessions where I do something that I find extraordinary for me and I'm genuinely proud of my shots. I'm genuinely afraid this might be me in the future. I'm afraid there may be an altercation where I use my firearm in self defense, and am proud of it. Even with my LTC, I refuse to carry anything outside of range sessions.
1 like@Gob Sauce I’m glad that you do that but I wouldn’t let people like this discourage you. You clearly show that you wouldn’t just shoot like this dude. The difference between you and this guy is one person is hoping for this moment while another dreads it.
3 likes@Rafael Luca de tena Sorry, say again?
0 likesI don't know how Michael Dunn made it to his forties without murdering someone if this is all the provocation it took for him to murder.
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yet you find it exceedingly common that a black 17 year old caught a bullet? Whats that tell you?
3 likes@M.J.E. I have read this three times and have no clue what point you are trying to make. Either make a point or don't.
131 likes@DownFromTheREEEfters Kevin found it surprising that dunn made it to his 40s but didn't find it surprising that a black teen got shot. Tells you something. I never said anything about big threats
1 like@Odin Borsson no you implied that , context matters . This was a hate crime in my opinion dealing with an white and black person . Not Asian , Hispanic so therefore why are you trying to down play what’s happening to the black community it’s cultural insensitive , your basically saying black people aren’t the only race deal with racism that’s downplaying another’s experience
3 likes@M.J.E. maybe he did think this but didn’t state it? All we are saying is micheal was ready to kill, the other dude brought up a completely unrelated topic.
11 likes@M.J.E. how are you so sure he finds it exceedingly common? What's that tell you?
8 likes@Odin Borsson No. They're implying Mike is racist. Jesus christ people, use your brain.
1 like@Ulysses Farr You have two subscribers. That number must also be your IQ.
0 likes@Christian Loves Sonic the Hedgehog mans really just said he has a gf in youtube comments I’m DEAD 💀💀
4 likestick tock, probs a helluva alot more out there.
0 likesCranky Older men especially grandpas have lesser patience
1 like@suri curian She’s actually half black, half white.
0 likesI'm surprised I can go a day on the Internet without gouging my eyes out. I wish people would stop trying to make some kind of a point all of the time.
3 likes@DownFromTheREEEfters you’re seriously trying to argue that because black on black crime exists, THIS crime wasn’t racist? He repeatedly called a car full of underaged black boys “thugs” for having loud music. I can’t even begin to count all of the things that went over your head just in that one comment.
2 likesGive this man his victim card he wants to have a cry for himself innrelation to someone else dying.
0 likesMaybe he didn't make it. Just got away with it before.
1 likeJust reading the responses to this single comment shows you how fucked up USA is ...
7 likesTotally agree he must of had bouts of violence before this
0 likes@Kirsty~Welsh Amethyst Girl You have no evidence to assume that. Could just as well be that this is when he snapped. Good thing you're not in law enforcement.
0 likesEXACTLY
0 likes@Odin Borsson I mean you can’t say that wasn’t a factor here
0 likes@M.J.E. he also never mentioned anything about how dolphins sleep with one eye open. Tells me everything i need to know about him
1 like@M.J.E. He doesn’t have to list everything he finds surprising about this case in a comment. It looks like you’re just searching for a reason to be offended
0 likes@Odin Borsson I like how you never replied to me but replied to everyone else’s no backbone or no backup 😂
1 like@Jim Beans if it comes with a #, it’s probably already too late.
1 likeDidn't ask how his wife was, during the call. Claimed he was the victim. His wife severely enables him (presumably through fear) Such a sweetheart. She's lucky to not have him around..
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Not at all, she didn't enable him. Shes was going through a lot and didn't want to fight with him. Also everyone knows that those calls are recorded, was she suppose to say, Mike you bastard you killed that kid for no reason?
5 likes@TRUTHSPEAKER YOUR JOKING RIGHT?
10 likes@TRUTHSPEAKER wow... You have no idea what you're saying. For an account called "TRUTHSPEAKER" you just lied. The video broke down how he was lying about what he saw and what he did and how he did it. The only thing those kids were guilty of was being teenagers. They weren't thugs.
5 likesWell at the beginning he said he was calling her right back so I'd assume they had just ran out of time and he called her right back.
0 likesTheRisskee seems like sarcasm
3 likesViolet Heavensbee Fiancé
0 likesIt's weird hearing cops say you can't just shoot someone because you thought they had a weapon...
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Yeah. We can’t. But us normal civilians don’t enjoy the privileges they do
53 likesI mean I think they’re doubting that he thought that at all during it. Considering there wasn’t even anything that resembled a gun nearby that he could point to.
4 likesI think this person said that because whats going on in the world, for example brianna taylor and the police THOUGHT someone had a weapon and so shot
11 likes@kay mulani I mean the police had breached the door and one was immediately shot. So yeah they had a pretty good reason to assume a weapon was involved.
9 likesJean Hunter sir or ma’am ik you did not just lie like that, no way shape or form they should have been shooting at anyone in that house
5 likes@kay mulani The boyfriend doesn't even dispute that he had shot the officer and then the return fire came at him.
11 likesJean Hunter goodbye.
2 likes@Malk Von Batshit your analogy is so stupid as to not even warrant discussion. The only reason they aren’t pinning charges on him is because the evidence is irrefutable. They already TRIED to nail him for it and failed.
1 like@kay mulani sis I wouldn’t even bother with these people, I’m sorry for their lack of empathy and understanding of what this world is
4 likes@anddudewaslike Racists say anything to defend other racists! Lol
7 likesI was thinking the same thing, if everything was the same except he was off duty and had a badge, he’d probably get a paid suspension for an internal investigation then found not guilty.
4 likesNo it isn't lmao
0 likesYou ain't lying lol. It's pretty sad. Not having a weapon and having your hands up won't always help you, they might shoot your ass anyway and then claim they "thought" you had a gun. It's happening plenty of time before and I'm sure it'll keep on happening.
0 likesI had the same exact thought. They murder people all the time because they "think" they have a weapon.
0 likesnope,police didn't shoot someone because they "thought" they had a weapon,but they shoot if they are sure that the suspect had a weapon and threatening their lives.
2 likes@titus kriswanto That rock you're living under must be amazing. Philando Castille, Johnathon Pierce and Daniel Shaver....thats just off the top of my head.
1 likeWake Up.
Police officers have an incredibly dangerous job and deal with the worst and most violent of humanity on a daily basis. Yes they are afforded more leeway than us, otherwise they would all be dead. Mistakes happen sometimes and they are tragic but they are in no way the norm for most police officers. And for those arguing about the breonna shooting..yes there was a weapon that was fired at police but it was a stupid no knock raid so the boyfriend thought he was protecting his family. I would've done the same. This is why no knock raids should not be a thing unless its for a serial killer or something. If anyone wants to change that you have to go to the politicians that make those laws.
0 likesI was thinking the same, I guess it doesn’t apply to cops
1 likeagree i feel the same
0 likes@cyndi vedock I was in the military. Bottom line is id do my job to the best of my ability. I've been in situations where I had to deal with dudes with guns. I held it down as a soldier...so no excuses...
0 likes@kay mulani they did
0 likes@kay mulani they were there because the police thought her boyfriend was getting drugs delivered to his house so under reasonable suspicion they assumed he had a gun but they shouldn’t have shot if they didn’t see one
0 likes@Jean Hunter yes but they were officers in plain clothes & he said he never heard themselves announce themselves as police forcing entry.
2 likesHow could anyone NOT think those were intruders in your home meaning to do harm??
@StrawberryNinja Nibbles They were uniformed officers what are you going on about
0 likes*American cops
1 like@titus kriswanto lol, american police shoots anyone whenever maybe just for kicks or having a bad mood and then just keeps on being a free non-convicted murderer cop. There is mountains of evidence supporting this available.
0 likes@A Wright cops do not follow laws
0 likes@cyndi vedock they are supposed to be professionals.
0 likes@Chase Morris most drugdealers here are not armed and it does not follow that drugs=having a gun
0 likesWhy do I feel like I'm watching a whole ass documentary? Very well done. I can't wait to watch your other videos.
30 likesstill can’t believe this content is free
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You should check out Audit the Audit what they do is somewhat similar to this
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39 likesI wouldn't be surprised if something showed up on my bank statement lmao
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122 likesDon’t say that. You’ll give them ideas
24 likes@Vlad Impaler rich?? You’re joking right? You obviously have no idea how much money YT video’s make.
21 likes@artemis You pay with your time watching
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3 likesThis is YouTube not your onlyfans brah 👍
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4 likes@Vlad Impaler We're not suckers. It's how everything works - TV, radio, newspapers, YouTube, Facebook. People make content. They sell ads to make money. We get to watch for free. Everybody wins.
3 likes@Sir Noba I know it cracks me up how many people want others to work for free... Cuz of course the commenters go to work day in and day out and work 40 hours every week for free. The only ones who greedily ask to get paid for working are YouTubers. 😂😂
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0 likesBecause if it was paid I guarantee you they would have a PEAK viewer count of 50 people.
0 likesPlease be quiet
0 likesIt’s not free, one must endure countless ads or pay extra
3 likes@hydro audit the audit is great. its more in-the-field body camera coverage than interrogation coverage. 10/10 though.
0 likes@Mas A I’m subscribed to That Chapter, haven’t heard of the other 2 but will check out, thanks 😊
1 like@Mas A Funny! I found his channel yesterday and subscribed 😊 Now I can binge watch! Thank you so much!
1 likei know! and commercials with the most brain killing music every minute and a half too!!
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0 likes@artemis No
0 likes@Mas A I’ll never be bored, thanks! I watch Bailey Sarian and Kendall Rae. Bailey is a riot but sincere. Like Mike. Nancy Grace appeared on her show a few months back. Kendall is also caring and kind and always doing fundraisers for crime victims and organizations. In case you want to check them out 😊
1 like@Vlad Impaler it is free for us, just because it generates money doesnt mean it isnt free
1 likeI can't believe this content is available.
2 likesI mean you are spending time watching it.
0 likesWhen the product is free, YOU are the product. Advertisers have every intention of making their money back from you one way or another. Nothing is free in this world.
0 likesShhhh
0 likesDamn Niamh you cute as hell
2 likesGretchen ok cashapp him then if it bothers you
0 likesDid you see the Ads? It's not free.
1 like@Kelly 111 Okay Dear…
0 likes@Kevin she’s so pretty!!!!
2 likesHey Niamh, so am I
0 likesthe beauty of new media
0 likes@Vlad Impaler it is nice that i get all the content on youtube for 10.00 a month ad free. just 10 years ago that was almost unheard of
1 like@Kevin thanku omg
0 likes@Emma Shoo thankyou!!🥺
0 likes@Vlad Impaler YouTube doesn't work like that LMAOOOOO
0 likesKeep it a secret!🤫
0 likes@Kevin calm down there ladiesman, this is a jcs video not tinder
1 like@Vlad Impaler Not me, I block ads...
0 likesit's not free.... somebody died so that you can have this content.
2 likes@hydro I thought this was the same person
0 likesYeah, the kid he killed wasn't real to him.
0 likes@My Channel and ideas she gave😡
0 likesThere’s always that one family member that ruins family gatherings
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In most families its the drunk uncle with racist remarks, not the dad xD
15 likesThe saddest part is he ruined a 17 year olds whole life! Who knows what he could have achieved in his life. RIP JORDAN
27 likes@David just bc you're someone's uncle doesn't mean you can't be a dad too
5 likesTiara I think he meant not the dad of the groom
2 likes@mydemonswontleavemealone as a biracial person I find this offensive. Maybe he doesn’t fit in because he can tell the people around him are judging due to the color of his skin.
0 likes"I never been so scared in my life!"
1543 likes*leaves the scene, goes back to the hotel room, orders a pizza and not call the police *
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Confident enough to walk the dog first thing and without a gun. Wow
73 likesHe also made himself another drink and walked the dog.
36 likes@Jim Nacosta Wow bro, you're so edgy.
10 likesIt sounds fine to me, not so reasonable but fine, what does make me understand he is lying is that the scene sounds just stupid
0 likes@Monika G
0 likesHe was so scared of them he demanded they turn down the music
1 likehaha funny you said that... im innocent as fuk whenever i win like 20-300$ im like fk it im up :) let's order some pizza lol
0 likes@Mike Stein He pulled up next to them and chose to sit there to begin with
0 likes“I didn’t know I was being charged with murder... that sucks” bro lmaoooo
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Buchi Chu Dude was just pissed he was gonna miss his expensive b&b
121 likesthats a vibe
17 likesi lost it when he said "that sucks"
54 likesIkr that fucking killed me
11 likesNo kidding the killer is a pathetic man.
19 likes@Izabella Podowski NOT A VIBE
4 likes@Jordan Martens it's a negative vibe bro!
11 likes@Izabella Podowski does 2020 pass the vibe check?? (The one time I watched tiktok, please don't tell anyone)
3 likes@Jordan Martens i don't own tik tok, i just know how to vibe. 2020 is prime example of negative vibes
4 likes@Izabella Podowski oh I thought you were referencing a video haha
0 likes@Jordan Martens i just be vibing!
0 likesIzabella Podowski your profile picture deeply terrifies me
4 likesSaladToss good saladtoss
2 likes@Chunky soup I drew it myself! feeling complimented lol
3 likesIzabella Podowski it's really good! suuupeer creepy
3 likesblitzblade I sure am :)
0 likes@Chunky soup thx omg:D creepy art is my vibe i do mainly paintings and sculptures
0 likes@irish Sinatra your mom's not a vibe...
0 likesNot that funny, actually. I feel too bad for the person who died. Many others could have died, too.
2 likesyeah, a but of an understatement
1 likeBummer dawg
0 likesGuess he's a more of a glass half-full guy...
1 like@O b s c u r e ? he did not only he did he actually woke up and saw it on the news and that's when they decided to go home so yes he knew
0 likesthat moment was just... perfect
0 likesHe saw his freedom get up and walk out the door. His girlfriend was probably already with another man in the room he paid for. The dog was even glad he was gone for good.
2 likes@Buchi Chu of course he should.. he still has 3 slices of pizza left in his fridge.. pizza is obviously by far more important than some dumb murder.
1 likeQuote is at 47:54 for anyone who wants to go to it
2 likes@Buchi Chu sad he feel that entitled
0 likesim really craving mayo and fish
0 likesTHAT guy is only 45?
1967 likesHatred, alcohol abuse, and racist paranoia really do a number on the body.
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Omg I thought he was like 60
152 likes@halatiny dude same he looks as old as my dad
12 likesL
No way, I'm 45 and i dont look like that. he looks like he's near my mother's age.
46 likes@halatiny same tbh tbqh
1 likeNo way!!
0 likesmy dad's his age and he looks like he could be my grandpa!
5 likes45??Shit I'm 44,father of my kids 62,my dad's 61 & he looks older than both of them & looks like he could be my father...Lack of things like sincere charisma,body language etc.(body mass index too I guess) makes him look a lot older but biggest turn off is his personality.That woman of his deserves so much better.Cannot believe he just killed a kid over🤷🏼♀️ & show no remorse whatsoever🤦🏼♀️.90 yrs.in prison,well done & very much deserved mate.No time for hatery,literally do despice him tho, hats off👒
11 likes@Erika B ur dad is 45
0 likes@I'm Going Supersonic no the guy looks AS OLD as my add, like he looks older. My dad is in his early 60s
6 likesthe tea is hot and steamy just the way i like it 🫖
3 likesDang, he looks a lot older
1 likeI’m 46, and I honestly thought this guy was in his 60’s.
6 likesI know people his age or possibly older that look younger than him
0 likesLmao
Holy shit...
0 likesOr he’s an average American.
1 likeRacism is poisonous, kids. Say no.
5 likesNow think about how Paul Rudd is 51
2 likesHe's 45?? I didn't think he was my age he looks a lot older
1 likeYou’re right, I’m 50 and pass for 33. He looks like my father’s age. Sometimes it’s good genetics but often it’s like you said- every day is a bottle of rum and ever use is limited to flip flops like he’s going to Cocomo. Well, going to the Pen now.
1 likeikr? I´m 45 and that guy looks almost as old as my father.
0 likesAnd don’t forget this really was a racist attack
1 likeHereditary
0 likescase and point: most of the GOP
3 likes😯, he is freaking 45! Damn
0 likesHey relax I abuse alcohol and I’m not gandolf
3 likesDon’t think being racist increases the rate you age but ok
2 likes@Stony Man idk man I think it might...when was the last time you saw a really hot racist?
7 likesPizza too. Don't forget Pizza.
0 likes@Sean Matthew King Nein.
0 likesI wouldn't be surprised if he's a racist, but I'm at 45 min in and he hasn't mentioned the race of the kids not once
0 likesNice of you to just assume racism because you don't like the shooters race.
3 likes@jacksputrid not yet
0 likesJust because the two parties are different races doesn't mean its a racist crime. I highly doubt you'd say the same had races been reversed
2 likes@ALi Finally someone who gets it. You are smarter than 99.9% of the people commenting on this video.
2 likes@Alejandro Lazarte Didn’t have to. It’s quite obvious from the very beginning of the video when he wife recalled his comments about “thug music.” Plenty of cues littered around.
1 like@Alejandro Lazarte Don't have to. It could be a passive thought in his mind. Consciously he doesn't care about someone's race, subconsciously he does.
3 likes4 black kids in a truck, listening to, quote, "thug" music, listening to it at a loud volume, immediately goes to them having a gun rather than some type of knife of some kind.
It sounds like racial stereotypes he may have been influenced by in the past.
But what he says should not be evidence that he is, but his choice of words can lead people to that conclusion.
He looks 55
0 likesRight? My father is 41 and looks 29
0 likesNo it’s just good old laziness & over eating.That’s what a lazy mid forties man looks like
0 likes@socillizt4life lmaoooo bro i can guarantee that some music sounds like thug music and it’s mostly rap lmaooo you literally can’t lie that it do and no CAP IT FUCKING SLAPSSSSS
0 likes@Alejandro Lazarte I hate how race is always given as the reason for x thing happening(correlation isn't causation), but race played a huge factor here. "I was expecting all of em to come out of the car and attack me". He acknowledged and mentioned how the other guys that talked to him were friendly/nice and how the one guy was violent, but then insists that quote^. Not to say that race is the primary reason--he clearly has something else wrong with him. Learning you have just killed a child(or person)of any race should devastate you, where here he brags about it.
2 likesIt's funny. In my line of work I deal with the homeless mostly, but also with many addicts and ex offenders. Doing hefty amounts of drugs and alcohol will age you certainly. But I have to say, over time I have come to believe that evil ages a person too. To be clear I am not saying my clients are all bad people. But just that the ones who are, or who have done significantly bad things repeatedly, always look haggard. Worn thin in a way. Even the ones who had wealthy backgrounds ect. What goes on in the mind can affect the body I guess...
0 likes@brugdabidbrug I was not claiming some forms of hip hop aren’t or shouldn’t be classified as “THUG Muzak”,certain artists self define themselves as thug/street music,that’s a fact.I was making the assumption that the couple weren’t using their lil code “THUG music” in that car that night,that’s only needed infront of police or a jury & camera to the world,everybody should know that Michael ‘fkknn’ Dunn doesn’t use the term ”thug music” behind closed doors,that would be “n****r(with a hard R) music”,that was my point,I was not claiming some MCs don’t play(or live) up to the thug image
0 likesYeah. Welcome to the new America.
0 likesThis man was obviously hugely judgemental about kids he had never met, what a self entitled boomer, thinking he is a victim too.
1 likehis girlfriend looked really old for being 45 as well.
0 likesIkr, looks 65
0 likeseminem used drugs and alcohol and hes 48 and looks young, its just the type of ur body
1 likeJesus I'm sixty and don't look anywhere near as bad. Playing drums keeps you young.
0 likes@Yeetbag Mcgee smh not ever
0 likes@socillizt4life OHHHH well i mean my statement still stand THUG MUSIC SHLAPPSSSS
0 likesYou should see Michael Paul Adams (guy who killed Elijah Al-Amin for loud music). He's 27, but looks 47
0 likesI feel so bad for Rhonda, you can hear her heart break when she says "Pop, pop, pop" at 7:40
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i wish feminine energy had a chance in this world. Such beauty a woman can share
10 likesjordy hargrove ...it does and has had a place in the world for millennia. It’s what has kept us alive this long.
8 likes@jordy hargrove YESSSS, WOMEN KNOW THE STRUGGLE. totally agree.
0 likesRhonda is a fucking champ for this
0 likesThat's just insane. Another case where a person could not mind his business. Like, he could have moved his car, went inside the store, etc. to get away from the music. Just wow.
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Alternatively (now this might sound crazy I’m sure but bare with me here), he could have just sat there for 5 minutes and put up with it, peacefully minding his own god damn business
12 likesThe unfortunate and disturbing truth is he wanted to use his gun.. at least in my opinion
8 likesTruth.
0 likes@Adolf Stallin he killed a teenager. That's not standing your ground, that's him being a racist murderer.
7 likesAdolf Stallin how did he stand his ground when he was the aggressor. Troll comment
1 likeHe could have rolled his windows up and blasted his own music to drown them out. I've done it plenty of times at red lights when someone pulls up next to me blaring music.
1 likeWhy in her interrogation is she pixelated but you then show her in court clear as day? Anyway, this woman seems perfect, she says "I could see he was upset so I kept my feelings to myself..." - I wish my girl would keep her feelings to herself when I'm upset!
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Difference sources do the censoring, he probably found the footage like that
1 likeimagine prematurely losing ur 17 yr old child over loud music and then having to listen to the bs that ur child’s murderer makes up in court
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I’m surprised the dad was able to keep his composure.
29 likesIf I were that child’s father, I’d tear the murderer apart right in the court & sit the life sentence for it.
24 likesi think everyone who has lost a child to violence has had to listen to some horribly insulting BS story when the attacker goes to court. It's the final disrespect in this sad journey.
30 likes😔
1 likeHis mother is now a U.S. congressional representative! So sad she had to go through this.
12 likesThe worst part, Lucy had trouble having kids. Having Jordan was an extremely rare chance for her and Ron.
9 likesthen teach your child not to be thug and all will be ok. I impressed there was an actual dad.
3 likes@Michael Sundarev Yes, Dunn's parents should've taught him not to be a thug
9 likesNext kid gonna have better taste for sure.
0 likes@Franz Borow it's a very small blessing disguised as a horrible curse, cause all this bullshit is falling on deaf ears and all it means is that he will 110% be locked up for the rest of his life
0 likes@Alex Burr🏠 no you wouldn't lmao
0 likesThis man had the nerve to say “I’m the victim”. He was acting tough because he knew he had a gun. He deserves to be in jail..
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I highly doubt he actually feels like a victim. To me it comes across more like he’s just saying it to convince everyone else.
1 like@Beeper He's trying to convince himself as well, but he clearly doesn't feel anything but fear of consequences
2 likesAnd.., You coukd tell Thst his fiancé saw right through him. Smart young woman..
1 likeRip Jordan. This is absolutely tragic, what a terrible loss so young.
98 likesThe victim’s mom became a US congresswoman recently.
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Really? That's pretty cool!
147 likesGood for her! Hopefully, she will be able to make some positive changes in our society and the people that live in it.
256 likesHey nicky
3 likes@Heyons I found her. Lucy Mcbath. Tragic life she had. Two sons killed and two times breast cancer.
247 likesShe should thank Michael for doing her a favor then.
12 likes@Robert Ellison why
22 likes@FactsOverFeelings Matter you're comparing a grieving mother to Hitler and her son's murderer just because you're overly emotional? wow, try and think for yourself and not be so brainwashed
213 likes@Nicky Blue Hey Nicky!
2 likes@ozma facts over feelings is a typical Ben Shapiro tagline. Don't mind the alt-right troll he's just trying to get a rise out of you.
71 likesDoubtful
0 likesCredentials: Having a son that was shot and killed...
20 likesI wonder if she’s in the order of the eastern star
5 likes@Fetero feelings are what they use to try and take the guns away
10 likes@Doug Rogan what
1 like@SnapTexas Sounds like she was a crappy mother. Single I presume?
10 likes@BA black so yeah
6 likes@Rachel Callahan imagine ACTUALLY thinking you can make the government into anything but garbage
3 likes@FactsOverFeelings Matter Hitler actually relaxed gun control from the Weimar period.It's a myth that Hitler took people's guns away.Nazi Germany was a very militaristic society way more so than America is today and also required training young boys in marksmanship to prep them for compulsory service.
14 likes@Scorch428 The Trump way. No credentials or expertise required. Or does that only work for certain people? 🤨🤔
5 likesI don't agree with her policy on gun control, but good for her regardless.
4 likes@Liz Steeds why are they tacky for having an opinion? They're not wrong. Losing a kid doesn't automatically make you fit for office.
13 likes@dil oreo it has nothing to do with "ben Shapiro". It has more to do with someone who campaigns for gun control just because they lost kids to gun violence in their personal lives. You cant try to write policy for other people based on your own anecdotal experience
11 likespaper tiger
0 likeslulz, sad but true
@Scorch428 How do you know her credentials?
1 like@CoolMan Caravan Not anecdotal.Actual.And why can,t you? Are you making that a rule are you?
2 likes@CoolMan Caravan If someone's opinion is based on "I bet this is what'll happen" and comparing a woman who lost a child to Hitler, then "tacky" is putting it mildly. Anyone who MIGHT want reasonable gun laws (I don't know if it's on her agenda) gets attacked. Who said losing a kid would make them fit for office? "I bet she will be a bigger criminal than Mr.. Dunn" isn't an opinion, it's assumption that isn't connected to reality. What you need to ask yourself, is why people are demonizing someone who has done nothing wrong (unless someone can prove otherwise), but in fact lost a lot. I understand you share some values with these people, probably about gun laws, but that doesn't mean you have to be against others. "Well, Rapist-Rick, if you like weed and I like weed, then we're on the same side".
11 likes@Baychimo I can compare myself to hitler. We both breathed air, we are both relatively short men, both caucasian. You can COMPARE the actions of 2 people without saying they are literally the same person.
1 like@Richard Berry you should look up what anecdotal means because that's exactly what it is
1 like@CoolMan Caravan The account of the death of her son is based on hearsay and rumour?
1 like@CoolMan Caravan That's what you got from what I said? Wow. Anyway, yes, let me rephrase that: you can compare anyone to anyone, but doing so based on a lie, and with the clear intent to demonize the "opposition", is in my opinion a bit silly.
4 likesFactsOverFeelings Matter Your feelings are showing.
6 likes@Delovely 1 the only "wrong information" I see is campaigning on gun control just because you had 2 sons who wouldn't stay off the street.
1 like@FactsOverFeelings Matter yeah these people get the point they're just pretending like they don't
1 like@Kieren Moore Yup. It was good till they started talking about the lady benefiting from her son's death, Hitler, gun control, politics. Not the place for such crap.
0 likesOh, and if you disagree with them, you're whining. Gotta love that line. It's immature and petty.
@FactsOverFeelings Matter I'm a democrat and I don't want guns taken away at all. you're just sensitive
0 likesDafuk is up with all the Nikki's on this comment?
1 likeYeah I heard she wants to help bring in stricter gun laws. That’s extremely courageous especially in Florida. America is fucked when it comes to gun control and sadly it probably won’t ever change no matter how many innocent people are killed
0 likesYay!!
0 likesAlexander Zephyrus Gee, would you sacrifice a child to get elected? What would that say about you?
1 likeRobert Ellison Wth is wrong w you?
0 likes@SuperAussieOi Did you consider how many lives are saved by the guns you hate so much? On average 2-3mln self-defense uses per year in US. Guns save way more inocent lives than they take. Your argument is invalid.
1 likeKamil C. People wouldn’t need guns to save their lives if there weren’t so many guns. Your argument is invalid.
1 likeKamil C. And tell that to the hundreds of parents who lost their children to school shootings. In my country we have very strict gun laws. Zero school shootings. 🤔🤔
1 likeWow big deal who cares lol
0 likesAlexander Zephyrus mmmmm what
0 likes@Fetero That's probably a Russian troll. Ignore it
0 likes@Luca Brasi doesn't the doc say that the victim was an only child though?
0 likesBailey if that’s the case then how come so many psychos are able to purchase guns legally !? And not just a hand gun but fully automatic weapons used for military combat! Would never and has never happened in my country yet happens every year in the states. Nothing you gun loving maniacs say will ever change my mind.
0 likes@Doug Rogan not the fact that USA, one of the only countries where almost everyone can carry, have the most shootings in the world? Or the fact that the US had the most mass shootings ever recorded last year? Guns should be banned, and you know it
0 likes@Heyons Lucy McBath, she flipped a suburban Georgian district
1 like@lizzfrmhon nice non-argument there
0 likesBoomers and their guns.
0 likesIt’s beautiful to see his smug smile at 55:38 getting wiped off his when Rhonda says no every time she’s asked about a weapon. Justice prevails is always a beautiful thing to see
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@Random guy with a baseball batte wtf?
46 likes@Random guy with a baseball batte you don’t know any of these victims personally. Just because they played loud music does not make them “thugs”. A teenage boy lost their life way too early so we don’t know who he could have became.
69 likes@MrGONZO "your". Enough said. Not expecting people like you to understand what racism is or what ethnic statistics shows alongside reality.
2 likes@Random guy with a baseball batte Okay then, Mr. Expert on racism, please enlighten us as to the definition of racism and how it relates to your nit-picking middleschool-level maturity response. I’d also love to see these “ethnic statistics” and what they show “alongside reality”.
36 likes@Random guy with a baseball batte Also: “bat”. Unless “a baseball batte” is some new phrase being used, in which case I’d love to know about it so I can use it in a sentence. Given that it’s flagged by autocorrect I can only assume it’s either relatively new slang or a typo much like the one you made fun of
11 likes@Pomegranate Vibes Look up ethnic statistics in the US about murders, robbery etc and you will see interesting results.
2 likes@Random guy with a baseball batte Most obvious bait I've ever seen lmao
9 likes@Random guy with a baseball batte you’re no better than him and if you think this way, you’ll probably end up in the same cell as him
7 likes@Raccoon Teefs Nope.
0 likes@Raccoon Teefs Btw your profile picture represents you, your comments and the people answering perfectly
0 likes@Random guy with a baseball battedamn, what a long winded way of saying "I'm bored and juvenile".
11 likes@Random guy with a baseball batteNope - I am black so I'm actually just a robbing thug or did you forget your own rhetoric?
6 likes@F Morley You do "butt lifting workout", enough said, nothing you say is relevant. Also, I see no relation between being black and what I said other than being offended to gather attention.
3 likes@Random guy with a baseball batte yeah I probably did do stupid videos like that in my early 20s. I do not require attention from you, sir. Take care.
7 likes@Stony Potson Believe what you want.
0 likesThis Batte guy just baited all of you.
1 like@Random guy with a baseball batte who hurt you? Lmao.
0 likes@bluwaslive This. It's bait. He's trying to get a rise out of y'all. He prolly doesn't even believe what he's saying, he just thought it'd piss people on the internet off. And he's right.
4 likes@Wyatt Rogers Yep that's right
0 likes@Random guy with a baseball batte
1 likenice bait
@First Name Last Name So good some of my comments were deleted
0 likesActually it's not a bait but you get my point
@Random guy with a baseball batte
0 likessure buddy
DESPITE
0 likesSucks for him that she is only the fiancé
1 likeRhonda is a STRONG woman of compassion AND integrity. Wow.
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Why the capitalisation
0 likes@Admiral Kipper Why no punctuation
7 likes@Michael Evans You played yourself, mum.
0 likes@Michael Evans heyyyyyy
0 likesHope we are never put in this mans position.
0 likes"What was the purpose of that?"
783 likes"To save my life"
"From the door?"
I love how in every one of these interrogations, the detectives/officers can't resist poking at them.
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These detectives get in such good jabs. My favourite is “does your demon want an attorney”
146 likes@Randooly lmfao yes
3 likesHaving a sense of humor probably helps with the fact they deal with the worst of society
33 likes@Randooly dude yes 😂😂
2 likes@Abraham Soto yeah, gotta be stoic
0 likesImagine being so scared that your fiance is going to hurt you after he just shot 10 times at a car with kids in it that you still go with him. Then imagine having to go into court and say the entire truth right in front of him. Oh my god that woman is amazing
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Not like he was going to get her after the sentencing.... Lol
8 likesI mean if she didn’t, her life, for the rest of it would have been in jail.
3 likes@deanmoncaster but at the time that she gave the testimony, she didn't know if he would be convicted. Even if the evidence was strong, somewhere in the back of her mind she's gotta know there's a greater than zero chance that the verdict would be "not guilty".
8 likesShe seems like a good person, but I don't agree that she lived those events as you describe.
3 likes@K Hall if he was released there'd be no sentencing...... 🤔
1 likeShe could have called the cops while he was walking the dog, she should have called the cops, she wanted to put it behind her, get home, move on with her life. She turned on him to protect herself. Can't see it any other way.
3 likesDramatic
0 likes@Alex Terrel not sure that's how that works. but ok.
0 likes@Joshualacruz maybe, hopefully. I just know how hard people will work to preserve their own status quo though. I've seen too many people let other human beings suffer because they know that life will be disrupted once they do the right thing.
1 like@Patrick the old guy. I dont think her motives were selfish at all though. Imagine: you have just witnessed your incredibly volatile fiance shoot at some guys in public, without a care in the world. You know the police will have to catch up with him eventually. But if you do anything he perceives as confrontational in the meantime, or try to get away -- if you bruise that fragile ego just the slightest amount -- what's he going to do to you?? I think she was wanting to testify, she just had to survive him first.
0 likes(If theres anything in there that contradicts me, lmk. I'm only 20 minutes in. That being said the psychology here has got to be complicated)
@Pete White yeah, all we can do is second guess her thinking. To give her the benefit of doubt, i will say she testified. That was doing the right thing. Anything else is just speculation.
0 likesAnd this is all just you words.
0 likes“What was the purpose of that?”
1047 likes“To save my life.”
“From the door?”
Had to laugh
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That Detective was almost making fun of him the entire time
53 likesBahaha yessss. I loved the black detectives fast thinking.
8 likesLol 😂😂😂 I giggeler hhh he is protecting himself from a car!
1 like@Zelda Fitzgerald dude he was tired asf.
0 likesgdbiw86 lmao
0 likesI LUV DAT THUG MUZIK. But not that modern mumble rap BULLSHIT
1 likeI can understand how shootings happen between gang and criminals...but shooting because of annoying music ...
1 likeDetective: "You have the right to remain silent."
2090 likesDunn: "Ok. So anyways, I started blasting..."
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"Black kid play the shooty bang music."
50 likesNow I don’t see so good, so I missed
12 likesFrank Reynolds has entered the chat
12 likesNobody ever does and its literally the easiest and best way to defend yourself keep ur mouth shut and get ur lawyer
19 likes@Gavin Semonell that's what made this case so enthralling; Dunn literally thought he was in the right and clear even though he killed someone, except for maybe a stern talking to about fleeing the scene.
20 likes@Jake Yates 😭
0 likesNever been in any legal trouble, but I've always been told "Do not speak until you have your lawyer, even if you're innocent."
12 likes@Fuhreak wouldn’t matter in this case bc he talk on a jail phone and his girlfriend was smart enough and say stop talking but he keep going, than he write a letter in jail saying how he hate n@@ and the jail full of them. I guess he didn’t think their read his mail. He would have got it no matter unless he had a corrupt police department and judge that do not care about justice. Remember the actor from Chicago that tried a fake MAGE thing, he had friends in high places but the cops was on their job and that plan of dividing us that way fall though. He only got away because he had friends in high places so high they refuse to release the talk they had. I believe the rabbit hole is more deep than with people want to believe. Than they push as many stories to bury it. It the something in the city that had a huge murder where even the female organs be missing of young black woman and the city have cameras everywhere that made the people up cry even more. They have a few serial killer high there but they spend all the investigation on a attack that cause no death. I believe I lot of this carmena are not in place to solve crime or stop it, only when they feel like weighting a finger. I starting to believe just to take help control the masses and protect the government and every now and than to make the public happy if losing publicity as they main focus is to stop enemies of the state. They working to get us like CCP and than the book 1984.
3 likesThey got us to divide to try and do anything of the real problem and that going according plan.
@Pula Paw
7 likesYou okay there dude?
L.A.W.Y.E.R
2 likes@Pula Paw dude… You should edit your comment so it’s actually decipherable!
6 likes“ am I going to need a lawyer ? “ yes brother , about 10 hours ago !
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0 likesThis channel should be called “how to manipulate people when your a police officer” shooting was justified
0 likes@Fuffen no he missed 3killed one ☝️
0 likesHe shows no remorse for murdering a child
2292 likesHis fiance is showing more remorse than him.
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Yea :/
8 likes@Fishtest what?
54 likes@Fishtest yikes
57 likes@Fishtest Teenagers are children
76 likes@Fishtest and teenagers being obnoxious with loud music is no reason to kill them
97 likes@Kim DeBoer teenagers are not children
13 likes@Ruben Gonzalez Either way, nobody deserves to be murdered over music
52 likes@Kim DeBoer teenager is not the same as a child
6 likes@Fishtest absolutely agree
3 likes@Don Corleone any person below the age of 18 is considered a minor/child.
65 likes@Fishtest well is a teen an adult? are they allowed to buy alcohol? buy a gun? vote? no. they are still in school. they are still figuring out their place in life.
48 likes@Abhay According to world population studies, approximately 108 billion people have lived on this planet. Assuming that the average lifespan of all these people was 25, there has been around 2.7 trillion years of life, if we multiply this by the number of days in a year (365), there is a total of 985,500,000,000,000 days of life (985.5 trillion days). Not once in any of those days did anybody ask.
30 likescentre national de la recherche inepte Lol what are you even rambling about? Go speak to a therapist or invest in a diary, because nobody here cares about your inappropriate remarks
22 likes@Fishtest 18. Barely an adult.
2 likesRacism is a hell of a drug
27 likesI know he acts like it’s such an injustice against him!!!! He murdered someone he shot at a car that was LEAVING over loud music
12 likesthat pizza must’ve been bomb though
1 like@Kim DeBoer but loud music could hurt his ear drums. If it played too loudly, he could go deaf. Similar issues happen for people who fire a gun without ear protection, thank goodness nobody did that. Just think about how damaging that music was to his ears
8 likes@Fishtest Yes, teenagers playing their music loud as do all teens, that really makes them ‘thugs’ 🙄 If it was a car full of the same aged, white girls I’m pretty sure you wouldn’t have the same attitude.
11 likeschildren don't drive or antagonize adults in public
2 likes@Kim DeBoer it wasn’t over music. The altercation may have started over music. But that’s not the sole reason it accelerated.
1 like@Don Corleone she didnt say they were toddlers... when you're 17 you're a kid...
8 likes@Fishtest who hurt you ? boohoo...
5 likes@Fishtest what made them seem like thugs to you
5 likesYea she is broken cus of it all he doesnt care at all
1 like@M.J.E. wtf yes they do
0 likes@Fishtest Kinda weird being racist in this day and age. Get with the times.
3 likes@centre national de la recherche inepte calm down incel
5 likesI'm having a feeling the people in the replays to the comment were never told to shut the fucc up once in their life.
0 likesKim DeBoer: Don't be dramatic. He didn't murder a "child".
1 like@Roc ROCA just education animals
0 likesThe officer even said they deal with people who would kill you just for telling them to turn the music down. Real problem culture problem
0 likesthe kids was calling him out you gonna back it up ...
1 like@cdf360 love this
1 like@Fishtest 26 likes 🤦♂️
1 likea child ??? you sound like the type of person who would ruin a developed society by their ignorance ...
1 like@удивительный kim doesn't understand that man child was starting trouble
0 likes@Ruben Gonzalez well they're certainly not adults either
3 likes@tysquirt111 Then he could've done what the other guy did and park in another spot😐He could've turned up his window, left and went to another store, or even fucking go in the store with his wife. This situation could've been avoided and the fact that you are defending his actions is disgusting.
3 likes@Ooop erm... Did you read my comment? Like, at all?
0 likesdon’t get it twisted - shes remorseful her fiancé’s on trial, not for the life he took
1 likeLoopt weer lekker uit de hand hè die comments😂
0 likesYeah.. you can hear her break with guilt when she says it was her idea to drop by the store to get wine.
0 likesThat's because shes not a sociopath.
1 like@удивительный the literal definition of a child agrees with her and not you fools! A child is literally “a young human being below the age of puberty or below the legal age of majority.” That includes teenagers! Stop sleeping with your siblings and read a book.
0 likesHe was no child either..they were acting thuggish and got schooled..no innocents
0 likes@Gerry isaac Herrera Yes, Michael Dunn was acting Thuggish, and justice system schooled him.
0 likesthe point is when he was told that the kid dont have a gun he show no remorse or guilty feeling, hes a self entitled prick. people make mistake they do but for people with empathy or heart theyll feel remorsefull when they know they made mistake especially if their mistake get other people killed.
0 likesDetective 1: “You shot his door?”
507 likesDunn: “Yes”
Detective 1: “OK”
Detective 2: “What was the purpose of that?
Dunn: “To save my life.”
Detective 2: “From the door?”
Dunn: No....Ummm....🤥
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😂😂😂 lmao
8 likesMy favourite bit - better follow up: "are you sure it wasn’t the door that was armed?"
7 likesThat cop has filters on the break room corkboard inviting people to his Thursdsy night open mike night, cause that was gold
1 likeBruh 😂😂😂
1 likeDoor lives matter to
2 likesAs sad as Jordan's cold-blooded killing is, this made me laugh
2 likesThat had to be the moment he crapped his pants
1 likeBless the girlfriend. Don't u just wanna hug her?? I like her for so many reasons. From the brief clips of her, she seems so sweet, caring and clearly upstanding. It must have torn her up to testify against her man but she clearly won't compromise her principles...even tho it was her testimony that sealed his fate.
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@Georgia DN you can love someone and not be just like them. She has some kind of moral compass and has the ability to tell the truth no matter what the outcome.
73 likesI would rather look up to a woman who is willing to tell the truth and still love someone who had made a horrible choice than someone who lies to cover up for their partner and is just as shitty.
@Georgia DN how do u know this?
5 likesI’m happy w how she reacted to all of it. Could have been the opposite..
3 likesshe did it to protect her ass and tbh I support her on that, she had nothing to do with the crime so why go down and lie.
4 likes@CLC he looks like he would do something like that
1 likeI just hate how she didn't report anything. Kind of makes me think what if he was abusive toward her at home
2 likesNow that in reading into the wikipedia, his neighbors stated that he was abusive and controlling, so there you go.
3 likesYou could almost hear her brain working overdrive in the witness interview with some of the questions. She knew that the truth would not line up with what Dunn had told police. And she considered-
1 likejust for a moment-protecting him. But she ultimately did the right thing. She could have made this that much more difficult for the victims and their families. But she didn't.5:04 probably the most damning part
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30:49 nvm
0 likesIt makes me feel so incredibly sad that the young man, not even in the prime of his life yet, was blasted away from his family and his friends who had to watch him die. For no reason whatsoever at all.
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Technically, there was a reason. That being said, the reason is just about as sharp as a sphere made of a single crystal of silicon-28 made by a master lens maker.
7 likesYour own well being is in the hands of strangers everyday. At any moment, someone could decide that they want to kill someone and you could be the closest person in that moment of their decision. It is a weird thing to be aware of and it is something you shouldn't have your mind consumed by as well.
2 likesThere was a reason. It's like those people that honk because they feel they were cut off. You never know and if your behavior potentially puts you in that position and you do not adjust, you are partially responsible.
3 likesNo reason? Lol you are so oblivious
3 likes@Dominic Rodrigues What justifiable reason did he have for committing murder?
2 likes@:Whatarehumans:3 justifiable for murder? No. But there was a reason for the argument, just like road rage that leads in death which occurs at least once a day according to U.S. crime statistics. The reason is the cause of the argument, some people can't control their rage, piss enough people and at least one of them will be crazy.
0 likes@M V No, absolutely not. That's a very poor "reason". That's only if it could be called a "reason" to begin with. To even say that it was because he "couldn't control his rage," please. It seems more like he shot at them because his ego was bruised. He inserted himself into a situation that had nothing to do with him. I don't buy it, sorry.
6 likesOfficers: Youre charged with murder and attempted murder
626 likesHim: That sucks
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I know I couldn't believe it😳
4 likesHe's being honest. Treasure it.
4 likesHe’s still thinking a lawyer will get him off.
4 likesFreddie Trollabyte I know, that’s as much honesty as you will see come out of him. Everything else out of his mouth is just a lie.
0 likes54:27 - Why would somebody display emotion (sorrow) for somebody that tried to kill them ? Your arguments are flawed.
0 likesHe broke the first rule: If you aren't a witness then never agree to interrogations without a lawyer.
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Don't really care if a criminal is breaking one of the "get out of crime" rules.
36 likes@Caspers true, but an innocent person could just as easily end up in an interrogation just like this. At that point in the process, it's ultimately up to what the police think. They could be convinced that you're a suspect when in reality you are just a witness.
67 likes@Charles Grguras why ? I worry that insisting on getting a lawyer will attract unwarranted suspicion? Surely being innocent is enough.
3 likes@Alexander LI It's not. Please avoid talking to the cops.
30 likes@Alexander LI That is wrong. Never talk to the police without the presence of a lawyer. Witness or suspect. If you are innocent, the lawyer will make sure you will stay innocent.
42 likesCharles Grguras agreed. A witness can quickly become suspect without ever knowing it. Especially if the cops don’t actually have a suspect, something a witness wouldn’t necessarily know.
18 likesHaha, my grandfather was a cop but my mom always told me that if I ever had police contact say "Thank you, but I'd like to speak to my lawyer"... out of experience, unfortunately, that was the absolute best advice I could have gotten in that situation.
10 likesEdit: and any situation concerning the police. Full stop.
@Q S ***** Yes.
7 likesAlso, the thing is, you most probably won't be interviewed in a murder case. But more likely in like a weed possession, DUI, civil disobedience or whatever the fuck.
They can pin it on you very easily if you talk too much, so you should always only talk with a lawyer present.
That's like rule 12.
0 likes@tocov Yep. Got it, thanks.
0 likestocov I forget the case but it was a murder and a witness came to the scene and asked about the victim, who was also his friend. He decided to try to help by going to the station to “answer some questions”, but next thing he knows he’s taken a polygraph, was told that he failed miserably and therefore clearly guilty, and is subjected to multiple hours long sessions of vigorous interrogation. He wasn’t being “interviewed” or “questioned” anymore, he was straight up being accused of raping and killing his friend and the detectives were asking him why he did it, apparently no longer looking for actual clues. I think they kept him in jail for some time. He was a very young man, essentially just a big kid who could have easily cracked and signed a false confession, like so many before him. Then they realized he didn’t do it, got another suspect and basically did the same thing to him. Turned out neither were guilty, the murderer was some other unrelated dude. A good lawyer for each of them would have saved a lot of time, pain, unnecessary jail time and might have even helped the cops get to the truth sooner and catch the actual murderer quicker, not waste boatloads of time getting innocent people to shit their pants on false rape and murder charges.
4 likesOh they twist your words, and fill in the blanks...don’t ask me how i know!
4 likesDon’t ever talk to the cops. Get out of this “if I have nothing to hide, I have nothing to fear” mentality. That’s how you get accused of bs. I’ve personally seen 2 people who thought they were being helpful that end up getting accused of bs
4 likesEven if you are a witness you should still consult a lawyer
3 likesOr maybe the first rule is don’t shoot people out of anger ??? Some of you are focused more
2 likesOn him
Talking to the police than actually KILLING someone.
@Angela Diego you're very clearly missing the point of this comment
5 likesYeah, always get a lawyer, witness or suspect. Witness can be made into a suspect
2 likesAlexander LI watch the documentaries about false confessions...some cops are crooked & just want the case solved unfortunately
3 likesAnd some of you are very clearly missing that this is not a case of an innocent man being fearful for his life but a racist male who has been walking in white priviledge his entire life acting on his anger that is based on racial stereotypes that he obviously not only believes in, but actively uses to profile people in public? If an ounce of him was obviously remorseful when he learned their age and that he killed one of the teenagers then it might be a different story. If a stupid and racist yet innocent man who simply was afraid of black people acted out of fear he would have called the cops and not left his gun in the car as he walked the dog and apparently was shivering as he thought about another car of "thugs" coming.
2 likesIn my country first rule is Don't kill anyone. I know, we are weirdos.
1 likeLook up the YT video called "Never talk to the police". Cops telling you how they use everything you say against you.
2 likesI mean, the FIRST rule he broke was murdering an innocent child
2 likes@Luca Brasi ah. Sounds nice to hear. I grew up in a country like that, too. Then we moved to America.
0 likesI genuinely do not understand how THIS IS WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT REGARDING THIS VIDEO. How about this guy was an actual danger to society? He was a danger to anyone into "thug" music which I'm sure to him means any music with rapping in it. The kind of discussion that is happening in this comment section belongs under a video about a case of an actual innocent person being taken to prison, but not here. This is not a case of "he shouldnt have talked to the police without a lawyer". This is clearly "I'm glad that guilty prick was too stupid to call one". What is wrong w people smh
0 likes@Kornelija Earthling Greatest country of the world.
0 likes@RyanPhoenixAZ not a single thing you named was racist on the teenagers part. I literally have done the same exact thing when I was their age. An adult should know to just laugh at the stupidity and walk away. White priviledge is a very dense and complicated topic with many moving parts so I don't blame you for not understanding it.
1 like@Luca Brasi "greatest" is such a vapid word tbh. Wtf do you people even mean when you say that, do you yourself even know?
0 likes@Alexander LI sometimes and hopefully
0 likesMcZee luckily i feel like all kids my age know this
1 likeWe find him guilty of having a butt cut
1 likeThe problem that most people seem to fall into is that they think hiring a lawyer or requesting your lawyer be present during questioning makes you look guilty (which, in all honesty, does) and will draw police into wanting to look into you as the suspect, whether you're guilty or not. Many criminals will think that by not having a lawyer, especially when police are just "asking some questions" to "clear things up" or to "get to the bottom of what happened", it'll make them look innocent and the police will move on to another suspect.
2 likesNo lawyer would of got reasonable suspicion out of this case. At best, he would of gotten a better plea for keeping his mouth shut.
0 likesKornelija Earthling the original comment was clearly a statement about whether or not people should engage the services of a lawyer when being questioned by police, and the potential benefits and pitfalls of doing so or not. Nobody in this thread was talking about race until you came along. And now you’re upset that nobody wants to share your outrage at something you haven’t even remotely proven to be true in this case. Lol but sad at the same time.
0 likesEdit- I sincerely hope you’re not a cop because I can seriously see you cruising around at night, pulling people over for petty reasons and wholeheartedly assigning guilt based on race with absolutely no evidence whatsoever....would you like to guess what that makes you?!?!🤔🤦♂️
findme Oh, absolutely. You should always lawyer up, no matter if it’s a couple of simple questions or if they truly do suspect you of the crime. I’m just saying that by invoking your right to a lawyer, even though it’s always smart to do, makes it look like you’re hiding something.
1 like@Cameron Crawford seems like you're very clearly proving my point. I don't care if you need a lawyer, don't incriminate yourself, etc. He killed someone. The first rule should have been maybe NOT shoot at someone after you've been drinking. Then he wouldn't need to get lawyer to defend him. You must be a confused on how you can walk away from situations without deadly violence.
0 likesthe red mist
0 likesDear future boyfriends, Rhonda ain’t no ride or die.
0 likesMike: "I was the one that was being preyed upon, and I fought back"
2345 likesRhonda: "Right...🙄"
She is having NONE of it XD.
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😂
3 likes#burnfurries
14 likesSo this video does a horrible job of representing what happened in that discussion.
6 likesRhonda was on his side
What do you mean?
1 like@Canine University 101 you make absolutely no sense whatsoever 🤣🤣🤣
34 likes#SPED
@Joshua Slappe How do I make no sense followed by laughing emojis and SPED?
10 likesThe OP references a discussion early in the video and said Rhonda had none of it which isn't true
The videos' cuts make it seem like Rhonda was not on his side during but during the full discussion she agrees with him pretty much the entire time..
@Joshua Slappe Ohh the Irony 🤣🤣
1 like@Canine University 101 You need to provide some actual references instead of some vague allusion to it. We all know what the video shows us. What "full discussion" are you referring to that would show that Rhonda was on his side and what did she say that proved that. We've seen that she was honest about what happened and forthcoming, didn't hide anything. In the call at the beginning, she seemed very mute and unresponsive. one-word unenthusiastic answers to his claims of being the victim before asking him to stop talking about it. Yet you're telling us she had his back.
30 likes@Dic CEOFirst off this is the best Channel on YT.
33 likesSecond,The OP said that Rhonda had none of it during that conversation, the "I fought back" and I was being "preyed on" conversation and that is not true.The one worded answers was how THIS video edited it is what i am saying. That conversation is way way more indepth then the 5 second conversation JCS showed because it only can go over so much.
She says "The legal system is not set up for people like you babe, I know you are innocent. I know you did what you had to do and that you did not want to do it" or something along these lines at the 2:27 mark on this video https://youtu.be/4zHUIZu-SuM
This is simply a snipit of it too! Listen to the entire thing during the trial. Many many phone conversations.
BUT
Rhonda stepped up big time and sent his butt to the slammer along with all the evidence. Not at all saying she didn't do that.
@Canine University 101 I see, Well I'm still leaning towards giving her the benefit of the doubt. I doubt she would have been able to piece together the idea that her fiance was an unstable murder who killed a kid because he said some mean things. It's second nature to trust the word of someone you love and I believe that would have been the motivating factor. Seems like the reality thankfully came around and she saw it for what it was. Murder.
13 likes@Canine University 101 also I agree, this is the best channel in YouTube
5 likes@Dic CEO I was simply just pointing out that in the intro discussion she was kinda on his side.
10 likesShe clearly changed though once the facts were out
@Canine University 101 exactly. Rhonda was just as guilty. In fact it was her idea to get more drunk. She should be locked under the jail and her ugly hair cut.
0 likes@Joshua Slappe you okay dude?
3 likes@Dic CEO you okay dude?
0 likes@Joshua Slappe I'm doing well. I had a productive day. Work went well. Just stopped at a gas station to take a shit and go through my notifications. About to go home and make sure BF2042 is downloaded so I can play it when it launches tonight.
5 likes@Canine University 101 you probably did lol
0 likes@Joshua Slappe Hell yea, let's link up
0 likes@Canine University 101 same here buddy🤗🤗
2 likes@Joshua Slappe did we just become best friends?
1 likeIt's actually not "right" it's more like "RIIIIIIIGHT!"
0 likes@Canine University 101 ur weird bro
0 likes@White Alliance just as guilty, lol. Don't ever become a juror.
2 likesGuys, this just shows why you don't get married. She'll throw you under the bus. And then a bunch of women on youtube will agree with her.
1 likeWhat's so funny? XD LOL LMAO YOLO
0 likes@Canine University 101 it could be argued that way, because of what she admits in the interview, that she thought he was an idiot.
1 likeAnd the narcissist believes she is genuinely agreeing with him
1 like@Dic CEO that is why she said to stop talking about it, she knew ot was being recorded. If i thought he was a murderer why accept his call.
0 likesThis comment section is fucking brilliant 😆
0 likes@OrbitalRain #shh
0 likesOwO I love your icon :3
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