I feel so bad for her, she seems to think she is partly responsible because she wanted a bottle of wine...

@TJ she was one of the most sober people in the state of Florida that night, so I'm not sure she should feel judged.

@Jazza BigHits the dude killed someone for no reason. Don't do that & you'll have a much greater chance of your wife standing by you😅

Guys, this just shows why you don't get married. She'll throw you under the bus. And then a bunch of women on youtube will agree with her.

@Praevasc Yeah, she definitely played a key role in this whole trial. No camera footage and no additional eye-witnesses, besides the friends of the victim who would (theoretically) have very good reasons to lie about the alleged "shotgun"/"stick"

@Peter Parker And she testified against him. And that testimony (he claimed he mentioned her several times the kids had a shotgun, but she denied that) could have been what convinced the jury that he was lying.

@Chad K Considering she wasn't up for the role of victim (except as a close call for almost marrying this creep) and she was the one who told the truth without basing it on opinion, what's your point?  I stand by my earlier statement. A person's voice often changes when they're scared. Training and practice can help. Talking to police, talking at a trial, public talking in general are fairly universal things that make people nervous. You don't think cops know the difference?

Well, had she not wanted to indulge in alcohol, it wouldn't have happened. Furthermore, she was driving around with a man who was drinking and driving, so yes, it is partially her fault.

@Chad K He's her fiance, she's been living with this guy for many years and fucking loves him, would you rather believe his story or that he just murdered some random innocent kids for no reason? Do you know something called love? It changes your way of thinking.
I completely agree with you when it comes to women acting like the victims. I've seen this my entire fucking life, I'm well aware how they do it and how to see through it. After a while you learn how to read people. And I'm fucking sure of one thing, she's literally an angel who's been manipulated by a narcissistic disgusting trash human being. She's one of those nurses that will smile genuinely and ask you 50 times if everything is ok, cus she means it.

When it comes to her voice, she's just like that, narcissists find "small" and weak people to manipulate easyli. It's how it works. Why? because they are innocent and loving people, they don't see they are getting manipulated cus they don't even believe that is a possibility.

And for the other guys, no she doesn't fear him taking revenge, nor she fears being seen as a drunk. It's a natural emotion when you lose something you loved until that moment, which is her entire life, that is falling apart in front of her. She also blames herself for stopping there just to get a single bottle of wine (to end an amazing day so far in a relaxing way).

If you wanna blame someone, blame it on the narcissistic racist pig who escalated everything cus of his fucking ego. If this happened to one of you some day and people insulted you, blamed you, claimed you were guilty, while you were completely innocent, you wouldn't be happy about it.

@Chad K You don't know for certain if it's an "act", she looks genuinely terrified to me. You can't say "women" as if referring to all women, just because "some women" do that. I don't know if you've ever been a victim of manipulation and false accusations and I'm sorry if you have but that doesn't mean you can go painting every person black because of your view. Hate breeds hate. What this lady exhibits is a normal response when someone is traumatised and scared, men are just as capable to be deceptive and play the victim just like women are, look at how Michael Dunn displayed human emotions when he thought about the love of his life (most likely because she was the perfect spouse for narcissistic supply so really he's crying for himself because he's about to lose that..but that's another topic). Really, we should just be grateful that she served her part in the justice for that young boy, she told the detectives everything she recalled and her statements helped execute the case. So before you spit venom at people, remember, you don't know them, their story and where they came from.....I mean you wouldn't shoot someone because you THOUGHT they had a shotgun would you?..don't be that guy, no one likes that guy.

@Chad K pretty sure she probably is shaken up by the whole thing... of course this comment comes from a Chad🤣🤣

You feel bad for a woman that saw the news and told him to leave instead of calling the cops (which she could’ve done herself instead of eating a whole pizza with him and go to sleep) or instead of suggest to drive him to the police station instead? She had many options, many!

@It Really Doesn’t Matter Yeah, all that makes sense. <br>I don't quite buy that she's a good, thoughtful person yet.

@It Really Doesn’t Matter Yeah, all that makes sense.
I don't quite buy that she's a good, thoughtful person yet.

rhywnn I agree wholeheartedly, good point.

You kinda notice something about this guy pretty quick. Like he doesn't process things around him quite correctly. You get a sense that he's  constantly concerned with being viewed as cool, and competent maybe. I don't know, but there's just something off behind his eyes. So that makes me wonder about her.. I'd say, from what's in the video. Whatever is going on with his head it can flare up to make him dangerous, and unpredictable. He  shouldn't be out in charge of himself. I don't think his girlfriend merits much more than a good chewing out for not gathering the courage to figure out what happened herself. She might not be a strong thinker, or maybe has other issues. Maybe not. <br>I don't think there's enough here to assume she was hollering him into the parking lot. Pretty likely he served her a bill of goods to downplay the situation once they left the scene though.

You kinda notice something about this guy pretty quick. Like he doesn't process things around him quite correctly. You get a sense that he's  constantly concerned with being viewed as cool, and competent maybe. I don't know, but there's just something off behind his eyes. So that makes me wonder about her.. I'd say, from what's in the video. Whatever is going on with his head it can flare up to make him dangerous, and unpredictable. He  shouldn't be out in charge of himself. I don't think his girlfriend merits much more than a good chewing out for not gathering the courage to figure out what happened herself. She might not be a strong thinker, or maybe has other issues. Maybe not.
I don't think there's enough here to assume she was hollering him into the parking lot. Pretty likely he served her a bill of goods to downplay the situation once they left the scene though.

@Ariana AJ Beaverhausen oh, yeah. Absolutely

@Chad K I'm glad that you explained that you're just talking about some women 🧐😁 One of my brothers had a gf like that, fortunately he left her and escaped to travel the world a few years ago. Some women can definitely be manipulative, as some men can be of course, and those types of people spit in the face of true victims. I think we need to give fake victims tough sentences, and we need to do it before they turn into Jodi Arias! Edit: to be clear I don't know if this woman is being manipulative or not, I fully blame her husband in this case.

@CalderaXII I completely agree BUT they should have taken a taxi instead of drink driving.

@Mackenzie Kohlhorst charges should be placed on both of them. She knew he did this yet left the seen. She did nothing to contact police. She is an adult and should be held accountable. No one forced her into his car note prevented her from doing the correct thing.

Peter Parker I think it’s both. At first she probably felt guilt but once shock wore off she realized it was all him. Cause remember she didn’t see any of it

marocstars well I don’t think I’d be getting in the car with a murdered no, he told her before they got into the car that he had fired his gun. Idk it’s just common sense to me.

@Chad K Where do you get the idea it's fake? That some people, particularly women and children, when scared, unconsciously make themselves smaller and quieter? Some women, in particular, talk this way all the time based on their background, trying not to take up too much space or call attention to themselves. Believe me, it's not fake. It's a self-protection strategy. A lot of women have to train themselves not to talk like that, to be more assertive just to sound "normal." If you've never run across anyone in your life like that before you likely will at some point if you're paying attention.

@Mackenzie Kohlhorst are you really gonna call the cops when a murderer is sitting next to you especially as a woman who is weaker psychically.<br>Unless she stayed in the store and the store owner called the police then maybe.

@Mackenzie Kohlhorst are you really gonna call the cops when a murderer is sitting next to you especially as a woman who is weaker psychically.
Unless she stayed in the store and the store owner called the police then maybe.

Idk I don’t feel sympathetic to a person who has just been told their fiancé just shot multiple times at a car full of people and didn’t think to call the police? Or even sympathize with the guy, even when she just found out he murdered an innocent boy! It’s sick

@TJ That's an interesting thought, actually. Tbh, about halfway through the video I already completely forgot about all the events that led to the 'victor' parking next to the victim. Maybe you and Potato Fury are really onto something here. I can very well imagine, that she was already drunk and repeatedly demanded from her fiancee in an aggressive tone to pull over at the nearest store where she could get more alcohol. And maybe that annoyed him to the point where loud 'thug-music' would be enough to go totally berserk, although (of course) that wouldn't excuse his behavior even in the slightest bit. <br>But it could be an indication, that she really felt either ashamed (your theory) and/or partly responsible (Potato's theory) because of what she had done prior to the crime. And we don't even know if HE was intoxicated, do we? Gosh, I thought after watching this video, there are no (important) questions left to be asked, but apparently I just didn't pay enough attention to the details...

@TJ That's an interesting thought, actually. Tbh, about halfway through the video I already completely forgot about all the events that led to the 'victor' parking next to the victim. Maybe you and Potato Fury are really onto something here. I can very well imagine, that she was already drunk and repeatedly demanded from her fiancee in an aggressive tone to pull over at the nearest store where she could get more alcohol. And maybe that annoyed him to the point where loud 'thug-music' would be enough to go totally berserk, although (of course) that wouldn't excuse his behavior even in the slightest bit.
But it could be an indication, that she really felt either ashamed (your theory) and/or partly responsible (Potato's theory) because of what she had done prior to the crime. And we don't even know if HE was intoxicated, do we? Gosh, I thought after watching this video, there are no (important) questions left to be asked, but apparently I just didn't pay enough attention to the details...

@TJ you're probably right, yeah. Maybe even both a little bit... But god damn, if you can't get fucking smashed on the day of your (step)sons wedding, I don't know when you could at all.

I see her concern in that singular moment as more of a fear that she's coming off as a drunk in a court of law. After tossing a few back, its still not enough and she needs to get more wine after the party. I think that particular scene upset her because she feels her character is going to be questioned as not being respectable, and possibly even not reliable.

I don't think so. I think she was just traumatized by the fact that she loved and almost married a totally sick and disgusting man who had the violent potential of spontaneously committing a cold-blooded murder in front of her and she was obviously afraid for her life as she testified against him as one of the most crucial witnesses, not knowing for sure how long he'll be locked up (if at all).<br>That's a terrible situation for her: Either she decides to support her fiancee and takes the huge risk of being convicted as a partner in a serious crime, including false testimony etc. or she decides to be honest and takes the huge risk of eventually getting murdered by this man (who is obviously capable of doing that) as an act of revenge. And that's far more terrible than believing, that you are in some abstract way complicit in murdering a victim, that - let's be honest - you almost know nothing about and can't really relate to (in her case)

I don't think so. I think she was just traumatized by the fact that she loved and almost married a totally sick and disgusting man who had the violent potential of spontaneously committing a cold-blooded murder in front of her and she was obviously afraid for her life as she testified against him as one of the most crucial witnesses, not knowing for sure how long he'll be locked up (if at all).
That's a terrible situation for her: Either she decides to support her fiancee and takes the huge risk of being convicted as a partner in a serious crime, including false testimony etc. or she decides to be honest and takes the huge risk of eventually getting murdered by this man (who is obviously capable of doing that) as an act of revenge. And that's far more terrible than believing, that you are in some abstract way complicit in murdering a victim, that - let's be honest - you almost know nothing about and can't really relate to (in her case)


Rhonda's bravery in saying he never mentioned a weapon of any kind is unfathomable. Speaking truth against your loved one to honor the unrighteous murder of a child seems like the obvious action, but I believe she walked the narrow path here and I commend her for upholding justice.

@La_Ru0921 The complaint is that trying to rehabilitate the dregs of society is a drain on the system the productive members are keeping afloat. They think it's unfair. But then no one asked to be born and bred in the dregs. Surely they deserve a chance? Maybe. Maybe not. Depends on one's view, and there is no way to determine which is right, always struggling with a balance.

@La_Ru0921 There's no such thing as a 17 year old child.

@La_Ru0921 There's no such thing as a 17 year old child.

@Ra Akhanaten Why do you have an ancient Assyrian stone depiction as your profile picture?

@Ra Akhanaten Why do you have an ancient Assyrian stone depiction as your profile picture?

@Dáithi O'Cinnsealach Yes, unfortunately it would, and that's a terrible thing. Were I in a position of power, judicial and sentencing reform would be my passionate cause, or one of them. In fact, this country needs an entire overhaul of our carceral system. We have learned how the human brain isn't fully formed until one is in his or her mid twenties or even closer to 30. The prefrontal cortex, the part of our brain responsible for logic, reasoning, and impulse control, undergoes drastic changes in adolescence. Thus, I believe juveniles should be tried as juveniles, not as adults, regardless of the crime.

@The Bringer of Salt the child who was murdered. I think he was seventeen.

@The Bringer of Salt the child who was murdered. I think he was seventeen.

she had to tell the truth otherwise the police would convict her as assisting murder

she had to tell the truth otherwise the police would convict her as assisting murder

TheBMan I see you skipped reading comprehension in primary school.

TheBMan I see you skipped reading comprehension in primary school.

Yeah. I definitely know I wouldn't find it in me to tell the truth knowing I'd help send my fiance away

Yeah really. Not only is it hard to testify against a loved one, but I would fear for my life if he ever got out of jail given that's he's proven to murder out of anger.

Lmao once I shopped lifted and my mom told me to lie to the police but I couldnt lie so I just told them the whole truth

I Remember in highschool i had a friend who fingergun shot an old lady while we were driving. He turned to me and asked "what would you do?" And i said, "call the police and probably tell them you've gone crazy." He seemed visibly insulted by that. To shorten the story we don't talk anymore.

I think by Nature she's a good person like she has a pure heart what is she doing with him or what was she doing with him is beyond me

Antonieta Sicsik yeah but if it was me, I’d think that my idea of buying a bottle of wine in a round about way also cost a 17 yr. old kid his life, and because of the POS I’m engaged to, I would feel an incredible amount of guilt. If I was her I don’t know if I could live with that kind of guilt. Maybe it’s cause I have a Jewish mother and that’s Jewish guilt talking, but I would feel a certain amount of insurmountable bystander responsibility if I was her. Like “why didn’t I just skip a bottle of wine, I was already buzzed”😢

@Klaus Kinski The American justice system works as well as other western countries and better than in virtually all developing countries. Does it have corruption? Yes, but all justice systems do. France is free of corruption? Britain? Canada? You're implying none of those countries suffer from individuals who would use the system for themselves against its intended purpose? That's nonsense, and naive.

Saying something cynical that has a grain of truth and with a "lol" tacked on doesn't make you right nor does it make anyone who may disagree with you, or attempt to argue against your point immediately wrong. It main gain you some troll cred, which I can appreciate, but mostly it makes you look like a spoiled brat.

What is also interesting to me is that if I, as an American, were to make a blanket statement about all citizens in a specific foreign country, such as you just did, about how they are all wrong about something, it would likely cause other people to view me as a "Nationalist" or even a "racist" if it were about a country with an ethnic demographic dissimilar to the USA. Yet somehow you feel as though you are immune to this effect. I'm not sure why you would, whether it be because you believe you're in the majority of people who dislike the United States for one reason or another, or just because you don't care what people think about you, but, I can assure you, I for one think it's riduliculous. You are of course entitled to your opinion, but maybe in the future, you could try to do just that, express something debatable as your opinion and not a fact that's so laughably obvious that anyone who may disagree with you is surely a moron.

lol I love how the american people still believe that the justice system is an actual thing that exists.<br>It may work on the general public thats correct. But anyone thats a cop or a government offical is above the law & can virtually do whatever they want. From killing men,women,children, all sorts of different ethnic groups you name it. I pity those that have to live over there.

lol I love how the american people still believe that the justice system is an actual thing that exists.
It may work on the general public thats correct. But anyone thats a cop or a government offical is above the law & can virtually do whatever they want. From killing men,women,children, all sorts of different ethnic groups you name it. I pity those that have to live over there.

@Odin Satanas I couldn't have said it better myself, Allfather Satan.

@Odin Satanas I couldn't have said it better myself, Allfather Satan.

Seriously, holy shit<br>She was so pained having to give such damning testimony but knew it was the right thing to do, for the sake of that poor kids family and not perjure herself

Seriously, holy shit
She was so pained having to give such damning testimony but knew it was the right thing to do, for the sake of that poor kids family and not perjure herself

@Dáithi O'Cinnsealach I get the legally part, and I would agree that the line is blurry, especially since in other western countries, as well as many other parts of the world, the age of adulthood is currently and historically much lower than 18. That being said, the maturation of modern Americans has actually been shown to be slowing down due to a change in society as a whole. It's not one thing that is determining this shift, but some examples might include increased difficulty of personal financial security for young adults due to increasing economic burden, urbanizing lifestyles leading to decreased need to fend for oneself (less dependency on oneself with an expectation that things will be provided to you in a modernized society), and a generally feeling that it's ok to nurture your children later in life. All of these things are for better or worse and I wouldn't argue in favor or against any of them, I only bring up these points in an attempt to explain that it's not this boys fault that he lives in a country with an unusually high age threshold for considering one an adult, and, for all intents and purposes, he was still a child (I was definitely just a child at the age of 17 due to all these factors and I had already lost a parent and had to act more mature as a result). So considering all that, and considering I'm a parent myself and I would still view my teenage son as a child, I thinks it's ok to call this boy, in this scenario a child, and it definitely makes no sense to insist he is not one.

@Luke Freeman the idea of when a human becomes an adult is a tricky one and up until last century was usually in the lower teens. It's now in the upper teens. 17 is some ways an adult and in some ways a man. I'm only pointing out that in this case everyone wants to emphasize that he was a child. Which is usually reserved for young humans. I find it hard to call a 17 year old a child and they don't like it themselves. I know legally it's such and such, but legally a lot of stuff is bullshit.

@Dáithi O'Cinnsealach A child is legally anyone under the age of 18 where he was killed. Also, as a culture, so long as that person retains their innocence we still generally consider them to be a child at that age in the United States. If, however, a child commits a heinous act of murder or some other similarly gruesome crime , they can, under certain circumstances, indeed be tried as an adult because they have lost that sense of innocence, culturally speaking. It could have been that their innocence was stripped from them against their will by a cruel parent or adult in their life, or it could have been something within them that stripped it off of them, but until the innocence is gone, yes, in the United States of America we allow murdered minors to be called children. I'm sorry if that is offensive to you, I can't imagine why, but, if you must, by all means, call him an adult. I can't see how it makes the atrocities committed against his person or the aftermath left to his grieving parents any better, but if it makes you feel better, call him an adult. It looks bad on you, but its your prerogative and I won't judge you for it.

In a weird way though, you sort of turned this around on the victim somehow, for some unascertainable reason, which, to me is kind of disgusting, but you may have a good reason for doing so. So I'd like to offer you a chance to extrapolate a bit on why it's so bad to call a 17 year murder victim a "child." And no I'm not being facetious, I'd really like to know your reasoning.

Child? Come now. If that "child" had done the murder your government would want to try him as an adult.

Child? Come now. If that "child" had done the murder your government would want to try him as an adult.

@Mynamesjamildude  The truth isn't always easy to tell even when it's obvious. This woman was obviously scared, anybody who sees her can easily tell that. I see no reason for you to be so calous with her. She could very well fear for her life.

Besides, in my life I've realized people usually revert to something called tribalism, which is where they tend to defend those they know and have allegiance to in one form or another. Individual who overcome this are exhibiting a rare and honorable trait, which is allegiance to the truth, and should be commended for that.

Lastly, the crime isn't worse because the man is a racist. It's 100% evil because he's a murderer and killed a child. If the death had been of a a child of any ethnicity, it would have been equally as tragic, he would have been equally as evil, and his fiancee's testimony would have been equally as brave.

She's not brave she's simply saying the truth she wasn't threatened there was no cost to tell the truth to her and tbh when a child gets murdered the least you can do is give up the actual criminal especially if he's a racist

@ra That's fair. Mob mentality is like a virus and rarely beneficial. You are right. For example, I imagine if I we're Micheal's brother, I'd feel he were justified fully in his actions.

@ra Well I am certainly no expert on the law or the system nor have I looked at the numbers but that is certainly a pretty hard stance to take. More power to you though. I just don't know enough to make the decision myself. I've never really known any one personally who was convicted without good evidence. I had an older cousin sentenced for crimes he admitted to, and I had cousin's husband (still in trial) who murdered my cousin and their two children in a drug induced rage who is definitely guilty though his lawyer is looking to get his sentence reduved for the fact that he was not of sound mind. (The case is that of Oscar Daniel Espinoza of California if you're interested in looking it up.) So my view is biased anecdotally for having worked in favor of the innocent for all cases I know of personally.

@ra But isn't that the beauty of the system? Innocent until proven guilty, protecting the guilty and innocnet alike.

You seem like the kind of person that would find the one criminal who actually was innocent and defend them on some technicality, save their life, literally, and then years later the actually culprit would be caught and justify your defense. It could be epic.

@ra Now that... That was a damn good response. You must be a lawyer, or a psychologist or something, because that was some seriously well thought out and beleiveable mental gymnastics. Well said.

Obviously I still would commend her but I may now add the statement "even if she was just trying to get back at him for something". Even then I would only say that because no weapon of any kind was ever found. Not that there wasn't a weapon, to be fair - I know you'll insist there is no way we can ever be sure that there was no weapon - but only going of the evidence presented in court that no weapon was recovered in or around the crime scene.

But, yeah, ra, you presented your case well, thorough, and without resorting to personal insult as is rampant in YouTube comments sections. So yeah, I tip my hat to you.

@ra True enough. There is definitely always a possibility she is lying. I don't like or dislike her personally. I don't know her. It only seems her testimony was honest, more honest than his. But your statement does stand, "She might be lying."

And yeah she made a mistake by not immediately calling the cops or forcing him to stay there after shooting and possibly killing someone. She failed at that. She was probably scared and that's not a good reason, but it doesn't take away from the fact that she testified against him.

Now the contention... WHY would she lie and say he never said they had a gun? Especially when that lie HURTS her fiancee. Presumably she'd want to protect  him. Why lie to hurt her fiancee? Because she wanted him in jail because she hates him? Your reasoning that "it could be a lie" is sound, irrefutable even, but you have failed to speculate whyyyyy she would lie to put her fiancee in jail. Consider that her lie brought justice too, because it did. It helped to jail him. That's what I'm asking. WHY did she lie? To what end?

@ra True enough. There is definitely always a possibility she is lying. I don't like or dislike her personally. I don't know her. It only seems her testimony was honest, more honest than his. But your statement does stand, "She might be lying."

And yeah she made a mistake by not immediately calling the cops or forcing him to stay there after shooting and possibly killing someone. She failed at that. She was probably scared and that's not a good reason, but it doesn't take away from the fact that she testified against him.

Now the contention... WHY would she lie and say he never said they had a gun? Especially when that lie HURTS her fiancee. Presumably she'd want to protect  him. Why lie to hurt her fiancee? Because she wanted him in jail because she hates him? Your reasoning that "it could be a lie" is sound, irrefutable even, but you have failed to speculate *whyyyyy* she would lie to put her fiancee in jail. Consider that her lie brought justice too, because it did. It helped to jail him. That's what I'm asking. WHY did she lie? To what end?

@ra Can I ask you why you are questioning her character? I can only speculate as to your reasoning, whether it be simply out of fairness, or a feeling that maybe she was lying, but what confuses me is why you'd be trying to highlight these possible flaws. Her testimony against her fiancee was to his detriment. Additionally, like I said before, the truth she told - the one about him never telling her about the kid having a gun - helped bring him to conviction, by proving he explicitly lied to the prosecution about having told her that they did pull a weapon on him. So, please, tell me, why try and soil her character, and to what end? Do you think Micheal Dunn was justified? Innocent even? If so, what proof to the contrary of the final ruling do you have? Please, enlighten me.

@ra I doubt it, only because this lie hurts her fiancee case, so why would she. Unless she <b>wants</b> him to go to jail.

@ra I doubt it, only because this lie hurts her fiancee case, so why would she. Unless she *wants* him to go to jail.

@The Bringer of Salt I thought I heard them say the boy who died was 17. Perhaps I'm mistaken. Regardless of his age though, he was young and his parents lost a child. Even if he were a young man, the sentiment holds.

@some idiot you're correct. She really was putting herself at risk with what she said, but she stood with justice and that honored that poor boy who was murdered and his grieving family.

xZed oh thank god you're here to tell people how they should verbalize their feelings. please tell us an alternative word you would have used without sounding pretentious, o great one

but yeah. op, you're right. that kind of bravery is unfathomable. especially considering dunn's history with women. i hope and pray for nothing but rhonda and the victims' families to find peace after all this. they were all tossed into a fatal and traumatic situation bc of one racist man. for her to go against her fiancé's testimony when it was very likely he could have been acquitted/released, is very brave. if dunn was willing to kill over loud trap music, god knows how he could have retaliated against her for providing testimony that conflicted against his

I know right, you can tell it was hard for her.

I know right, you can tell it was hard for her.

I feel so bad for her, she seems like such a sweet lady.

I feel so bad for her, she seems like such a sweet lady.

“Unfathomable” I love how we just throw words around

“Unfathomable” I love how we just throw words around

I'm watching this for the first time- and she was so brave and honest. I started crying for her. She also tried to tell him stop "talking" on the jail phone which made sense-but she did not take sides-you could tell she was struggling with all of this, trying to support him, but not the murder!! Brave lady as I too believe that was a burden to carry- But she must count her blessings that she did not end up with this total loser.

@Antonieta Sicsik pretty terrifying to think about, yeah!

@Antonieta Sicsik pretty terrifying to think about, yeah!

Right I praise her also for that and she should acknowledge that the simple fact of buying a bottle of wine helped her save her life and future imagine sparing your life w such a horrible inhuman being, Best,

@TheBMan  55:15 is when the part I'm referring to starts, ending at 57:22. Micheal refuses to state how many times he told Rhonda the kid he shot had a gun, saying "if I told her, I told her in the car at the hotel and on the drive home." When pressed he said at least once, and when pressed again defended himself saying "You weren't there." No doubt a tactic of his attorney. Then when Rhonda was asked, multiple times, if he had mentioned them having a gun, she said "No" everytime, meaning she testified that he never told her they had a gun, and he weakly testified that he probably told her at least once they had a gun. It's in his favor to convince the jury they had a gun so it looks like self defense. It is not in his favor for his fiancee to repeatedly say he never told her they had a gun, especially if he says he did. So yeah, as far as I can tell, she testified against him, and I'd say good on her for that.

@TheBMan I can't remember exactly, but I THOUGHT she was telling the judge/jury that he never mentioned HIS gun, even though he said he told her about it. It sounded like she testified against her fiance, which would have been a hard thing to do. If that's not what happened, then I am actually the one who is confused. I'll watch this again and see if I can figure out what's going on and if I need to rescind my commendation.

im confused. It's unfathomable and she said  he never mentioned  a  gun  (which is siding with  the  ex is  it not)? and then  you commend  her?  IS there a typo  or am  I brain dead lol


His wife is a real one, her love for him never let her lose her morals or good heart, she just told the truth.

@Stephen Grigg for real back in my drinking days I would have hit that open bar for at least 10 beers, 5 or 6 mixed drinks, and a couple of shots. No problem.

@Irish Jester I was just about to say this. If we could kill people just because we were afraid then there would be dead bodies everywhere in this country. <br>Hell my mom was legit TERRIFIED of clowns with big feet, doesn't mean she can walk into a kids birthday party and start shootin the poor guy.

@Irish Jester I was just about to say this. If we could kill people just because we were afraid then there would be dead bodies everywhere in this country.
Hell my mom was legit TERRIFIED of clowns with big feet, doesn't mean she can walk into a kids birthday party and start shootin the poor guy.

Miss Viking I’d normally try and present a counter argument here but there is literally an entire hour long video including police procedure, multimedia  evidence and a grand jury trial. Whether you believe a person or not is irrelevant, your opinions must be based on the evidence presented to you. That is such a fundamental aspect of law that I can’t quite grasp how it has passed you by...

No she just isn't stupid! Her partner shot up a car with teenagers inside, over loud music. What would he do to her if they got into a argument?

She really is.    She’s so sweet, it wouldn’t surprise me if she blames herself for wanting to stop and get the wine.

Miss Viking ??? What are you on about? This guy pulled into that space and instigated this whole confrontation. I have been annoyed by teenagers with loud music...I just roll my eyes and carryon.

She was madly in love with a racist, what’s that say about her? I don’t even have bigoted friends let alone spend the rest of my life with one. Just saying.....

@Akoyash if three drinks over three hours gets you drunk you must be allergic to alcohol

@lukemanius she went to the liquor store for cigarettes.<br>And three drinks over 3 hours while at a wedding reception is a lot to you? Jeeze

@lukemanius she went to the liquor store for cigarettes.
And three drinks over 3 hours while at a wedding reception is a lot to you? Jeeze

Also he dumb for even putting her in that situation. Like how dare him think that she would lie about something so horrible and important. A life is forever gone his whole blood line is gone. And he over ordering pizza or being on the stand about to cry for his dam DOG!!  No shame

@lukemanius  it doesn’t matter if she was/is or an alcoholic or not.  Substance misuse/abuse does not make someone a bad person.  She told the truth even if it was against some she loved.  Her alcohol use is irrelevant and I do not think your comment has anything constructive to add to this thread.

@Akoyash yes it is. And it's not even relevant if it's a small amount or not. One drinking session does not indicate alcoholism. Getting drunk doesn't make someone an alcoholic. If that is hard to understand then I'm not sure what to say.

She stabbed her partner in the back. In most places they would have disappeared her after snitching on her man like that.

Rhonda realized, "No move, you f up! No BJ tonight!

Or. Ever.

Aot of drinks, for who?
5 drinks in 6-7 hours?
After a son's wedding?

If that was true, half the reception would join AA. LOL

Of course, I'm sure the blow increased his tolerance.😳

Imagine how the inmates adore his annoying his whiney, and racist arrogance!
Hahaha!

RIP Jordan...

Because she's a decent human being that felt compelled to do the right thing, even though she hated doing it. That pie e of shit should really feel like shit for putting her through that.

@James Volk I think she probably did, she just knew how stupid she was for talking with the police. They both were. He just hadn't accepted how stupid it was yet.

I believe she told the truth because she was afraid for herself. She did not want to chance getting in trouble for lying about for her murdering fiancé and seeing herself possibly in prison as hell.

Don Diddy you don’t know that she told the truth though. And why does it even matter? The defendant has to prove that he killed out of fear and not out of rage. What do you think happened? It WAS fear. Can you prove something so subjective as fear? It’s a feeling! And I believe him. He might have not said anything to Rhonda about seeing a gun because he didn’t need to PROVE Rhonda that he wanted to protect her: she already knew that. He should have called a lawyer right away and even so, he would have probably been convicted. The shooter will always be convicted no matter what. There’s no right to protect yourself in this country - even if someone broke into your home at night! Well in similar scenario the guy never had a gun he intended to kill you gently by suffocating you. And maybe he just hoped you weren’t home. If your shoot you will end up in jail, the right to bear arms ain’t going to save you. And it’s sad that we live in a world like this, where you must PROVE you are afraid for your and your partners life. Really?. What would you do? I mean you are confronted by 5 menacing loud teenagers, right in your face, do you have any chance of overpowering them?. No way. This is the stuff they write in the papers - about this sort of stuff happening at the gas station. If I saw/heard people like this I would be running, driving away, blasting off!

I hate to burst the image of good people in the world but: She was truthful because she already gave multiple testimonies to police and would've committed perjury be saying otherwise at the trial. She too would've ended up in jail for trying to protect him.

The guy is a real narcissistic man to not even try to prepare her to lie for him during the night of the murder. If he had any less faith in his ability to convince people of whatever he wanted to convince them, he would've made sure she was ready to give a corroborating story to the police, when the time came.

This man is truly insidious.

Salene Brom I got that same feeling. He definitely has an abusers demeanor.

Wouldn’t be surprised at the way she’s acting that he was beating on her because otherwise why is she so scared of him while she was in court

@lukemanius no, but drinking a small amount then sharing a bottle of wine when you're celebrating doesn't make you one.

@Vidalion based on the fact that she just had a glass of wine and two rum & cokes, and sadly answered that it was her idea to go by the liquor store.

@Bob Jones And you know they probably told her ass that too.

lukemanius Based on......one convenience store purchase?  Seems a bit of a stretch.

He lied about so much the stand, pretty sick individual.

She was truthful because she got in the car with him after he murdered someone, if she wasn't truthful she would of been an accomplice for sure!!


Respect for Rhonda. She told the truth instead protecting her asshole future husband who she loved even knowing he's going to jail. <br>That takes courage. True humanity in her soul.

Respect for Rhonda. She told the truth instead protecting her asshole future husband who she loved even knowing he's going to jail.
That takes courage. True humanity in her soul.

@Exploring Creations society has fallen? You say that like people haven't been lying to authorities to protect themselves or their kin since the dawn of civilization.

@Exploring Creations Idk the spouses stick with and protect their monster partners very often. I grew up in churches and 2 of them had child molester preachers and both their wives stayed with them and protected them. So for me I was so relieved when I heard she told the truth and it made me respect her more.

@Q Alba well, Let's supouse he was drunk. So he souldn't be driving drunk at the very begining. She didn't betrayed him, she just said the truth, even if that means that he has to spend time in jail, even if she love him, she said the truth. <br>It can be not respectful for you, but hey that's ok! it's your opinion, not mine.

@Q Alba well, Let's supouse he was drunk. So he souldn't be driving drunk at the very begining. She didn't betrayed him, she just said the truth, even if that means that he has to spend time in jail, even if she love him, she said the truth.
It can be not respectful for you, but hey that's ok! it's your opinion, not mine.

@kinnoyu IDK what your talking about cause I've never said that, I said absolutely the opposite. As a person that have being abuse all of my life from family and partners, I certanly have respect for her, and that's what my comment says. <br>So all of that belong to your interpretation and judgment about my comment that was not written in the comment itself.

@kinnoyu IDK what your talking about cause I've never said that, I said absolutely the opposite. As a person that have being abuse all of my life from family and partners, I certanly have respect for her, and that's what my comment says.
So all of that belong to your interpretation and judgment about my comment that was not written in the comment itself.

@Q Alba what are you talking about? The dude wasn't drunk off, what, 2 rum&cokes? O doubt both of them would've been fine with someone drunk behind the wheel.

He didn't save her life he put it in immediate jeopardy

Being drunk makes him unable make Right decisions at the right time so they distracted him with loud music

She betrayed him big time <br>How can you agree on such an evil action, he trusted her and asked her to get in the car and saved her life

She betrayed him big time
How can you agree on such an evil action, he trusted her and asked her to get in the car and saved her life

I think a more plausible explanation is that Rhonda was terrified that she might be an accessory to murder. I'm sure she was told that lying under oath could have dire consequences.

@Sol he has a history of being abusive to his partner. And that's not hard to see; her extreme timid behavior, her not engaging in what hes saying, she seems terrified of him when he's angry and violent.

Trying to act as if what she did wasn't brave and took a lot of guts is being woefully ignorant of the situation she was in. Do you think battered partners aren't brave when they finally stand up to their abuser?

There is always more to a story that makes it nuanced. To make a sweeping statement, implying that she doesn't deserve the praise is just mean.

I'm sure Rhonda is currently in a much healthier relationship now. No doubt her letters and phone calls to Michael have become less and less frequent, and soon they will be non-existent.

I adore my husband but I would not lie to protect him if he murdered someone. To do so is an abhorrent disregard for human life. I admire for her honesty but anything less makes you equally culpable in the victims families pain.

@Alex G it is when you have standars and you have self respect and respect for others beings too<br>. True and genuine healthy mind and heart.

@Alex G it is when you have standars and you have self respect and respect for others beings too
. True and genuine healthy mind and heart.

@Sol Taking the stand against your significant other is not that black and white lmao.

@Exploring Creations right? this should be the rule in every situation. But we live in a almost entire pshycopatic society, so we are much more used to see the loveones to cover the criminal faults and traits (even if this are not consider a crime per se, but an ethical crimal instead)

Wow! Oh how much society has fallen that telling the truth is considered a remarkable feat of integrity.

yeh this was my main thought, she was so brave and did the right thing even where many people wouldn’t. called out his lies even in court when he was present.

dunn had a history of being abusive in relationships so it’s also so good for her that she didn’t get hurt or killed too.

That was my first comment! I just wanna hug her.

Yes. Total respect. She chose to do what was right and it was clear what it cost her. You could almost hear her heart breaking every time she said no.


"I was the victor, but the victim too.."

The signature attitude of a narcissist. They are NEVER the villain.

@Mutato I've met people who admitted they were abusers and did wrong, grew and became better. They still did mistakes and had setbacks no one should have to endure but they were honest and continued to work on it until they didn't hurt anyone anymore through their tendencies. Obviously they didn't kill anyone but yeah those people exist but I agree that nearly no one would do that when they are investigated on trail.

@Yovanii Red  I mean isolation IS actually awful to us people. Many people during the pandemic who don't life with their family or friends learned about that and isolation cells are awful and inn my opinion a form of torture but I would lie if the thought of:" You couldn't handle being with yourself because you had to confront your own awfulness and horrible action." didn't slip my mind.

It just made me made that he still found excuses in his head during that time instead of confronting, confirming, accepting and changing his awful actions. But that's what happens if you don't get guide through those thought prozesses.

In any case I'm less worried about him than the friends and family of the person he killed. The only reason I think about his murdered more is because he's the focus of this documentary because that's the focus of this channel. Any help should go to the relatives and friends of the victims first before this dough bag of a murderer

@Brian Cannon don't confuse narcissism with being egotistical. Those are two different things and the difference is often the amount and intensity of that characteristic which is why there is a distinction in the first place.

@ambi_cc The more educated people are on them, they won't. This guy certainly didn't win and it's no wonder the narc population in prison is 30+%. Good, it's where they belong away from others so they don't do any more damage....save for other narcs.

@Brian Cannon Not most people, but you need the educational tools to spot them.

Have u ever met anyone that admits to being the villain?

Have u ever met anyone that admits to being the villain?

" I killed a young man BUT he didnt turn down his music so its fair" - probably what he was thinking

@Nate Cooper  I know too many people who are like this

@Nate Cooper  I know too many people who are like this

“Haha, they’ll record this call and hear how sincere i sound!”

“Haha, they’ll record this call and hear how sincere i sound!”

@Hanh MunHan I don't know why, but the second he said that, on top of the other behaviors he displayed.... BOOM. NarckyMcNarc-Narc.

If they ever make a movie out of this case, please let John Carroll Lynch play Michael! I´m BEGGING you!

"It sucks being  in a room all by myself...."

Worst nightmare for narcky. XD

OR the looser. But sometimes you just can't have both.

OR the looser. But sometimes you just can't have both.

@Nihil0s 100%!!! I used to live with one too, this guy reeks of the traits.

@CtrlALlTerrorS I don't use it because it's a "catch word", I use it because he fits the definition. Narcissists don't have to feign emotions or speak with tone to be narcissists. There is a phrase about narcissists which is literally "always the victor or the victim, never the villain". It's a state of mind and attitude, it's also a huge lacking of self-awareness, an abnormally large sense of self-importance and lacking empathy, which could explain his nonchalant and emotionless behavior. Though, I do agree psychopathy is for sure a part of it! As that and narcissism typically aren't mutually exclusive. They both actually have a psychological concept in common called "The dark triad."

Narcissism is so the catchword of the moment.  I'm inclined to lean towards psychopathy actually.  His tone is flat, even throughout his statement.  He can't even feign the emotional reactions you or I would be displaying.

I used to live with a narcissist. It is incredible how they twist events to suit their position as the victim. They are always the victim, never ever the cause of a problem.

most ppl are narcissists.  its the world we live in

most ppl are narcissists.  its the world we live in

@bingus enthusiast It’s essentially normal everyday actions/phrases that can be seen as offensive.

@Daniel Casillas They make the people around them suffer instead.

@Daniel Casillas They make the people around them suffer instead.

@MaTilda D'Hum xoxo Exactly. It's not like they had just all moved in next door ffs. 2 minutes, that is it and him and his missus would've been driving away and each party would've forgot the other existed in a heartbeat.

@Milky Waythis guy is terrible. He’s the one at work who claims that he has a tumor to get out of doing some heavy lifting.

@Daniel Casillas write the word evil down and I will agree 100.

@Daniel Casillas write the word evil down and I will agree 100.

@Neil Siebenthal I just asked that one. ……he had a lot of “Dutch courage” after his sons wedding.

There are many red flags in this story that prove narcissistic behavior.

Teen angers got on my nerves when I was a teen ager  but he should have known that they would be hard on him because he was a grown man and should know that teens talk shit when they are in group. His best bet would have been to just roll up his window and listen to some all radio or hurry his girlfriend up. Especially since they did not threaten him.

………my question would have been: “why did he wait so long to do it?”

Textbook narcissist. Not to mention that he kept trying to manipulate the detectives into believing what he believed happened… geez, people are awful.

when i heard that i was like “omg this guy”

when i heard that i was like “omg this guy”

@jumpinjohnnyruss The point isn't thinking you are the villain, the point is taking responsibility for your actions and in this case, shooting someone dead, you are by default, the villain.

The signature attitude of a HUMAN. They are NEVER the villain

The signature attitude of a HUMAN. They are NEVER the villain

@Jacker cooper Lol, I doubt it. But being undiagnosed ain't the checkmate you think it is, bud. A clinical diagnosis of NPD is exceedingly rare because the nature of the personality disorder prevents those individuals suffering from it to seeking treatment.

@Jacker cooper In this case, it most certainly is about narcissism lol

@the flowing Drowner what are micro aggressions? i always hear this word and i dont know what it means

Yet we value these type of people in movies though, the villain

Yet we value these type of people in movies though, the villain

White privilege and micro aggression plays into that as well!

White privilege and micro aggression plays into that as well!

@Jacker cooper yeah normal people can admit when they're wrong, but suppressing the feeling that you're in the wrong and not being able to ever let yourself be wrong by lying and shifting the blame is classic narcissism. Being wrong is too damaging to their fragile egos and it sends them into a rage so they make a false reality

tbf people usually don't see temselves as villains, that isn't about narcissism

@Hanh MunHan so basically he was the douper and the wife was the doupeé? Lmao I got some tcap in my jcs...

I got physically nauseous when he said this oh my god. Not a shred of remorse for taking someone’s life.

He thinks loud music is a threat to his life.. How did he even make it that far in life...

Something about that line, and the way he says it just makes my skin crawl.  Something about this man I find absolutely revolting.

They are never racists either , its normal everyday behavior to them.

@Colby  100% agree, it's so true. The way he maintains his innocence to his wife gave me such bad vibes.


He’s trying really hard to paint those teenage kids who never been in a lick of trouble as heartless thugs on a random killing spree.

He’s trying really hard to paint those teenage kids who never been in a lick of trouble as heartless thugs on a random killing spree.

@dushas that same "what if " thinking got that man in jail for the rest if his life.

@dushas that same "what if " thinking got that man in jail for the rest if his life.

@Hard31337 it’s crazy how you bothering me initially … can get me killed …

@Hard31337 it’s crazy how you bothering me initially … can get me killed …

@Lokey Odinson yeaaa...i am a high school teacher at an inner-city school here in Los Angeles. There's no justification for what he did, even IF the kids mouthed off to him. Do you know how many kids have mouthed off to me in a classroom setting, some in a threatening manner? If i had a gun, would I unload a clip into the teenage kid that got into my face? It's absurd that anyone would justify this. I am not saying you are, but to give the "caveat" of..."well i worked in these neighborhoods" doesn't mean anything in a court of law.

I worked in this neighborhood at the time, was on duty when this went down. It's not a good neighborhood, drug dealers and prostitutes galore, but regular people too. It's a hard neighborhood. I have no doubt they did start talking shit to this guy, just like I have no doubt he didn't "politely" ask then to turn down their music. They could have been trying to intimidate him, but when you start throwing rounds, then reposition to continue firing, and then they don't have a gun? Sounds more like anger then fear.

When it’s a clip of him on trail towards the end I got the feeling that those things he made up they were saying was actually what he was thinking in his own mind “I’m gonna kill these mf’ers”

@vivian Kuang the thing is, where I live it's only white kids, since there is no blacks here at all. And they are indeed considered thugs, and there are multiple occasions when those "kids" end up killing people that look at them wrong way, animals go wild when they feel they can get away with it. The fact that you mix their race in to the discussion only means that you are in fact racist.

@Pika Pika I don't think they are ever going to favor evidence over personal bias. According to them, witness statements are wrong because 60 year olds can't snap. Never happens. Impossible. Lmao

@dushas I hear white rich suburban boys listen to rap all the time (they love it). Yet they are never considered thugs. So it’s very clear to see what sets those boys apart from the “thugs” you’re referring to

@Tom Weever facts! As a teenager, every single fight I’ve ever had with other teenagers have in fact ended up in a shooting…

On call of duty

@Tom Weever facts! As a teenager, every single fight I’ve ever had with other teenagers have in fact ended up in a shooting…

On call of duty

@dushas how u believe the dude who had his WHOLE STORY PROVEN WRONG BY VIDEO EVIDENCE

@dushas how u believe the dude who had his WHOLE STORY PROVEN WRONG BY VIDEO EVIDENCE

@dushas yeah beacuse every argument beteeen 2 groups of teeens ends with a shoot out, never just shit talking and driving off.

@dushas yeah beacuse every argument beteeen 2 groups of teeens ends with a shoot out, never just shit talking and driving off.

@dushas it’s crazy how hard you’re siding with this racist murderer. To the point where you don’t even trust that the cops did their jobs correctly in putting this guy in jail.

@dushas it’s crazy how hard you’re siding with this racist murderer. To the point where you don’t even trust that the cops did their jobs correctly in putting this guy in jail.

I don’t think he’s trying very hard at all. He doesn’t strike me as the kind of person who’s had to try very hard to do anything in life, except maybe to pee.

I don’t think he’s trying very hard at all. He doesn’t strike me as the kind of person who’s had to try very hard to do anything in life, except maybe to pee.

@dushas Why do you keep claiming the man is in his 60's when it's literally stated at the start of the video that he's in his 40's? You're trying really hard to frame this guy as a senile old man who was about to be attacked when there's literally no proof of this other than the word of a man who's trying not to go to prison for murder.

Why didn't he call the police after they ran if they were coming after him to kill him? Why did he continue to fire at the car while it was driving away? Why didn't the guy he shot with the first 4 rounds he fired and hit in the heart die in the street if he only shot when he exited the car? Why didn't he tell his wife that they had a gun and were about to kill him? Why didn't any of the other witnesses hear them say they were going to kill him or see the teenagers exit the car? Why was his neighbor not surprised by his actions and stated that Michael's ex-wives (that's fucking plural by the way) would come to his house and tell him that Michael was abusive and would beat them? The same neighbor who stated that Michael was arrogant, controlling, and an aggressive man. Why does common sense say to deny all of this and believe the guy who's trying to save his own ass?

@YourStepMother have we watched the same video? The only thing that was proven is that they didn't have a gun. And as the cop himself said, even if they had a water pistol this would've changed everything.

@dushas everything you said about those teens was disproven. Everything the man said was proven to be a lie. Going against what eyewitness testimonies and the man's own fiance had to say because of someone's age is ridiculous.

@dushas Thugs? Animals? They're just rebel teenagers

@dushas Thugs? Animals? They're just rebel teenagers

@dushas He's the only "witness" with any motive to be disingenuous.  Any reasonable person gives him no credibility.

@dushas He's the only "witness" with any motive to be disingenuous.  Any reasonable person gives him no credibility.

@Nathan Miller uhuh, 60 years old guy, with a clean record suddenly decides to shoot innocent kids doing nothing. I'm sorry but you guys are delusional. There's always a motive, nothing is done without a reason. You want world to be black and white, but both parties are at fault her for what happened, one side is dead the other is in prison for life, all of which could've been avoided if either side showed restraint.

@dushas Theres no evidence of aggression from them. No independent witnesses corroborated his bs. He never claimed any of that to his gf, only after being interrogated. It's obviously a lie to save his own skin. The only reason to believe him is personal bias.

@Nathan Miller when they proceeded to shit talk the old fart after he asked them to tone down the music. The fact that they were threatening him comes from his testimony, and is common sense, dude that made it to his 60-s without prior similar incident, don't just goes on a shooting rampage without a reason. You're trying to dispute them being "harmless kids" when the very first witness says that he didn't park near them cause he was scared of them.

@Hard31337 if what you said is factually why are you deleting comments lmao GUILT

@Hard31337 if what you said is factually why are you deleting comments lmao GUILT

@dushas If your analogy is good, it isnt, when were they "aggressive?"

@dushas If your analogy is good, it isnt, when were they "aggressive?"

@dushas You continue to say they threatened him, can you please provide any proof of that?

@dushas You continue to say they threatened him, can you please provide any proof of that?

@A Tsylor Yeah, guns should only be used as an absolute last resort. If someone has a knife or weapon and they are coming at you you should use it but not if some teenagers are arguing with you.

@dushas People get offended by all sorts of dumb s. Teens can be obnoxious, regardless of race or culture. It was on him to be the adult.

@dushas People get offended by all sorts of dumb s. Teens can be obnoxious, regardless of race or culture. It was on him to be the adult.

@dushas Yet, they never threatened him....he just started shooting when he felt "disrespected."   And you call them "animals" and "thugs."

@dushas Yet, they never threatened him....he just started shooting when he felt "disrespected."   And you call them "animals" and "thugs."

@dushas Is a white kid that listens to metal also automatically a thug?

@dushas Is a white kid that listens to metal also automatically a thug?

@dushas He wouldn't have even started the conversation if he wasnt armed. He had his security blanket, and used it, thinking he would get away with it. And yes, victim blaming is victim blaming. There's no evidence of any aggression from the teens. Their behavior is absolutely irrelevant in this case since it included nothing threatening. You're still saying, "she shouldn't have been wearing that."

@YourStepMother I believe it's more likely that a man that lived to his 60-s without prior similar incidents, had a reason why he suddenly resorted to firing a gun, than I believe that "clean record" of said, bunch of "kids", having a "clean record" at 17 means literally nothing. From what have been given it was reasonable to assume that those "kids" next step after their shit talk would be violence of unknown level, and him assuming they had fire arms is not unreasonable either, given their behavior and a country they're living in. <br>And I'm not saying what that old fart did was the right thing to do, old fart got scared shitless and did a cowardly act, but don't paint here fairytales of poor innocent "kids" assaulted for no reason. None of this would've happened if they weren't behaving like animals.

@YourStepMother I believe it's more likely that a man that lived to his 60-s without prior similar incidents, had a reason why he suddenly resorted to firing a gun, than I believe that "clean record" of said, bunch of "kids", having a "clean record" at 17 means literally nothing. From what have been given it was reasonable to assume that those "kids" next step after their shit talk would be violence of unknown level, and him assuming they had fire arms is not unreasonable either, given their behavior and a country they're living in.
And I'm not saying what that old fart did was the right thing to do, old fart got scared shitless and did a cowardly act, but don't paint here fairytales of poor innocent "kids" assaulted for no reason. None of this would've happened if they weren't behaving like animals.

@dushas you think it's more likely that a bunch of kids with no prior record threatened to kill him and also had a gun despite witness accounts saying otherwise, and no evidence of a gun? Even man's wife said he didn't bring up the gun to her at all. And he also didn't call the police. Based off of this, it's pretty easy to assume he thought nobody would catch him, and when they did, he made up the gun and made up the threats.

@m g pretty unsettling that this is the American we live in (or, I mean, me, idk if you're American)

@m g pretty unsettling that this is the American we live in (or, I mean, me, idk if you're American)

@dushas Leave it to a conservative to defend a sociopath lol.

@dushas Leave it to a conservative to defend a sociopath lol.

@dushas “i hate that thug music” it wasn’t cause it’s loud it’s because the type of music that was playing i bet t

@dushas “i hate that thug music” it wasn’t cause it’s loud it’s because the type of music that was playing i bet t

@Rolo 3 of 4 people there said he didn't  say that

@Rolo 3 of 4 people there said he didn't  say that

@YourStepMother I'm gonna believe a common sense, that dude is what 60? Somehow he managed to survive to that age and not go on a murder rampage, so what suddenly changed? What's different in this case? He never seen black dudes blasting music in a car prior to this day? Nobody was ever rude to him? Or maybe, nobody ever threatened to kill him? Which is more likely?

@dushas No cap though, literally wouldve been a gang shooting

@dushas No cap though, literally wouldve been a gang shooting

So the gas station doesn't have outdoor security cameras?

So the gas station doesn't have outdoor security cameras?

@Rolo I’m not saying that either, I’m saying that no one in that car said that, there was no threats. He was cussed out but that’s it. He is the only one saying that they threatened his life.

@dushas the only person who is saying there was a death threat was the murderer. You are going to believe him when there were witnesses?

@dushas the only person who is saying there was a death threat was the murderer. You are going to believe him when there were witnesses?

@Hard31337 bro stop trying to look at this from “both sides”... there is only one side. That man is evil and has such a strong sense of entitlement that he thinks he has the right to kill people because they simply annoyed him with their music.

@dushas ignoring the fact that the witnesses at the scene said they didn't hear any threats from the victims, a teenager VERBALLY threatening you still isn't a death sentence, and doesn't justify "self defense" with lethal force.

He could've pulled the gun and aimed it at them. That would still be wrong, but far better than this. The irrationality of the escalation is the issue.

This dude probably had preconceived assumptions about young black men and it cost lives and his freedom.

@Ikari hey we get a he'll if w lot wrong that I can't argue with and you can use Aus as an example if you prefer.

Still clear facts show that since Port Arthur in Aus and Dunblane in the UK guns have been banned in both countries. Since they the number of mass shootings has been 0!

Since 2000 the US has had loads, I tried to count them but stopped at the horrifying number of 50 and I wasn't even half way by the looks of it...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States

So while UK may be far from perfect I think we can pretty confidently say we have got this one right the Aussies too and whoever else has banned the stupid things IMO!

@Rolo Nah they just say the guy called him a cracker and that other unbiased witness reports in the parking lot contradict his, I can timestamp if it helps

@Rolo Nah they just say the guy called him a cracker and that other unbiased witness reports in the parking lot contradict his, I can timestamp if it helps

@caramel Yeah probably. I thought the victims had confessed to threatening him

@caramel Yeah probably. I thought the victims had confessed to threatening him

@Kokichi Shares I'm not saying they were actually planning on killing him... I'm neither saying that Micheal Dunn had the right to take a shot either...let alone fire 10 shots

@Kokichi Shares I'm not saying they were actually planning on killing him... I'm neither saying that Micheal Dunn had the right to take a shot either...let alone fire 10 shots

@Rolo mate it's quite obvious Michael Dunn lied about being threatened, watch the video

@Rolo mate it's quite obvious Michael Dunn lied about being threatened, watch the video

@Rolo LOL you might wanna rewatch that clip you sent me, he's not saying "oh he said kill him." As a fact. He's stating how unlikely it is that he would say that with no weapon and not leaving the car, especially since no one can corroborate

@Kokichi Shares They did threaten him... watch the video 36:00

@Kokichi Shares They did threaten him... watch the video 36:00

@Chrissycupcakes People who say "I'm gonna kill you, you're dead" could be classed as thugs.

The guy is definitely guilty, he didn't act on self defense. But let's not pretend that saying "I'm gonna kill you, you're dead" to someone is normal.

Never been in a lick of trouble yet threatened to kill him? You think that's normal?

Never been in a lick of trouble yet threatened to kill him? You think that's normal?

@dushas you sound just like the guy in the video lol

@dushas you sound just like the guy in the video lol

@dushas They'd be classified as murderers but they didn't do that as they were innocent children

@dushas They'd be classified as murderers but they didn't do that as they were innocent children

@Hard31337 There's no evidence of that happening.

@Hard31337 There's no evidence of that happening.

He didn't know if they had a record or not.

He didn't know if they had a record or not.

@dushas legally, this is inaccurate. You cannot plead self defense from a verbal threat. The weapon used must be of equal or lesser force. (PS it’s also illegal to carry a firearm while intoxicated in the slightest) why are we defending this racist.

@dushas you’re putting innocent in quotations marks bro😭someone get him in the same cell with this man Dunn

@dushas you’re putting innocent in quotations marks bro😭someone get him in the same cell with this man Dunn

A lot of racists here trying to blame the victims.

A lot of racists here trying to blame the victims.

@dushas I like your kind has to imagine the other guys threatening to kill him to justify your own thoughts process lol it’s adorable you have such an overactive imagination

@dushas I like your kind has to imagine the other guys threatening to kill him to justify your own thoughts process lol it’s adorable you have such an overactive imagination

@dushas So people who play loud music are thugs? That's ridiculous.

@dushas So people who play loud music are thugs? That's ridiculous.

So crazy that people think its ok to kill someone over words.

So crazy that people think its ok to kill someone over words.

@dushas I think a thug is more like the sort of person who shoots a car full of people because they disrespected him.

@dushas I think a thug is more like the sort of person who shoots a car full of people because they disrespected him.

@dushas conservative propoganda has made you think people with a certain aesthetic are all the same, that they're all criminals. The victims of this crime had no criminal records and were just being annoying teenagers. Trying to justify this murder by forcing them into your manufactured idea of a criminal is morally abhorrent.

@dushas playing loud music and swearing at a grumpy old dude isn't a "thug", nor does it justify a death sentence. You have a very warped view of morality.

@dushas playing loud music and swearing at a grumpy old dude isn't a "thug", nor does it justify a death sentence. You have a very warped view of morality.

@Hayley what do you mean stereotyping? They were thugs and they acted like thugs, old mans reaction was disproportional but not uncalled for.

@Hayley what do you mean stereotyping? They were thugs and they acted like thugs, old mans reaction was disproportional but not uncalled for.

@SomeCoolToad Ban gun's like in UK and there is no excuse for any of it, just an idea!

@SomeCoolToad Ban gun's like in UK and there is no excuse for any of it, just an idea!

@Hayley Exactly man! I live right near where this shit went down (in fact the shooter stopped in my town overnight after the shooting) and it’s so frustrating hearing my white friends calling every single other black kid who plays black music or has dreadlocks a “thug”. And they wonder why these stupid shootings happen

@SomeCoolToad I'd agree with you, but the forensics showed they never attempted to get out of the car

@SomeCoolToad I'd agree with you, but the forensics showed they never attempted to get out of the car

Man when i see people i can instantly know when someone was never in a lick of trouble. Oh right i can't, Because if someone wants to harm you , you would never know until the very moment.

I understand the first volley of shots , they make sense if the explanation was "they were getting out of the car and i went for my gun" . But there is no excuse for the second volley, There was no way to make up a favorable story from that point on.

Unfortunately this is what happens when you stereotype a section of the population as if they're all "thugs"

Unfortunately this is what happens when you stereotype a section of the population as if they're all "thugs"

@Hard31337 but that isn’t their fault. If a girl gets dragged off the street and raped, you don’t say “she was wearing a short dress”. Whether or not you’re excusing it, people will assume you are because otherwise you wouldn’t point it out. Were they disrespectful? Maybe. But why point it out?

It's the fear of the unknown, probably has no close black friends and he's scared of what he doesn't know, that or he's just a racist who thought he could get away with it and I think his lack of remorse tells us which one that is!

Either way the result is yet another tragic needless death!

@dushas There is no proof any of them ever said a word about killing him. The evidence is 3/1 on that

@dushas There is no proof any of them ever said a word about killing him. The evidence is 3/1 on that

@Madeline Brewer if you verbally assault and threating to kill somebody for a simple request of putting your music down, be prepared to pay the same price you're threatening with.

@dushas literally what are you saying rn

@dushas literally what are you saying rn

@A Tsylor What I said is factual.  They were disrespectful and racist.  I never said they deserved to be killed or shot at.  Bottom line is that if everyone treated everyone with respect, this would have never happened.  Doesn't make it justified, but the truth is the truth.

Edit add - I also agree with you that the guy is scared of his own shadow.  He's also garbage.

@A Tsylor tell me, what would've happened, if those 4 "innocent kids" talked the same way, to another set of similar "4 innocent kids"? That's right, same result, but they wouldn't, as it would've been an expected outcome.

You heard what he called the people in the jail with him.

You heard what he called the people in the jail with him.


rhonda is so honest, i'm so glad she didn't even try to defend her fiance from doing that.

@Benjamin Matheny oh that's what it's about? I thought it was about him doing stuff to his puppy...

It's illegal to lie in court, she isn't stupid

She is honest coz she  Realised she was living with a sociopath and it was the only  way to get him  out of her life!!!

Guys, this just shows why you don't get married. She'll throw you under the bus. And then a bunch of women on youtube will agree with her.

@Benjamin Matheny being under the influence is no excuse, she chose to drink those drinks...

May be she was lying just to get rid of him

@Benjamin Matheny Watched the whole thing, I never seen that this was a narrative. She was buying booze and then after hearing the shots, she left with them.

@Pugachev's Kobra i read up on it and two ex wives of his said that he was abusive and violent towards them, along with a former neighbor saying he wasn't surprised by his actions

Yeah I cant fault her for not immediately challenging his narrative or calling the cops. Guys like him don't usually take kindly to the word "no", and most of these guys are legit domestic abusers so I don't think it's a good idea to confront them.

@John R also no disrespect in any capacity brother and or sister but using an episode of tv to debunk something as a myth from tv isn’t the best defense an example from real life is much better.

@John R Marital communications privilege<br>Neither spouse can be compelled to testify as to private, confidential communications between them in either criminal or civil proceedings. But, only communications that the spouses intend to be, and maintain as confidential are protected.

@John R Marital communications privilege
Neither spouse can be compelled to testify as to private, confidential communications between them in either criminal or civil proceedings. But, only communications that the spouses intend to be, and maintain as confidential are protected.

@Sam Makin she was being told her fiance was about to be killed and protected himself. He seems like an incredibley awful, empathy- less, insensitive, manipulative bastard. Emphasis on manipulative. Now, I do agree that she very well should've done something either way, but I'm sure considering this dude's temper, he wouldn't deal with being blamed by his finance very well.

She's a good woman. It must be hard because she probably has called her own judgement in men/people into question. I've dealt with the same thing but in a much less intense manner than my fiance having killed a teenager in cold blood and then lying about it. I hope she's made it through the years  and I hope she knows that loving people isn't wrong and neither is she. All the best to Rhonda ❤

See legally wives aren’t forced to testify against their husbands, but she’s not married to him yet so legally she’s a witness and needs to tell them what she knows.

@Sam Makin She had no idea anyone was hurt

@Sam Makin I mean, the narrative for her at the time was that her fiance fired off a few rounds to scare off some hoodlums. She was also under the influence of alcohol. I can hardly hold her choices that night against her.

Because she knew she'd end up in a cell next to him, she never called the cops, instead she ate pizza and had sex.


During the court hearing Rhonda wasn't wearing an engagement ring.


pls come back with more content .. you guys are the best out here.


He legitimately thought that the cops would just brush this incident under the rug using the same terminology as police use during a use of force statement/.  "I couldn't see his hands" and "he made sudden movements."  Sorry dude, that only works with law enforcement ON THE JOB, not your ass.


The whole crying about his puppy thing made my stomach turn


35:00 “is he going to bite my ear off??” Lmao 😂 staring at the black cop insinuating some Tyson bullshit.


lmao 43:12
Detective: and what was the purpose of that?
Michael: to save my life
Detective: from the door?


“The last thing I’m looking for is trouble” as he pulls into a gas station in a city he doesn’t live in and asks a teens minding their own business to turn their music down and proceeds to pull holes in their vehicle as their retreating


Trust me, I think it is very annoying and inconsiderate when people play their music loud, but I could NEVER imagine wanting to kill someone over something so trivial. Why not take the route of the first guy and just not park next to them or just deal with it for a few minutes and leave? Like there were so many other choices this guy could have made. This is what happens when people think they have a right to play god. The fact that he has no remorse is so disgusting.

Its not rude at all. If you are in a public space and literally have no right to privacy while being there.

@Alicia Taylor noise ordinance at 6 pm???????

ooooooooooooook lady

@Alicia Taylor noise ordinance at 6 pm???????

*ooooooooooooook lady*

@Ana Hernandez actually it is illegal in most areas in the US, but the decibel level allowed is different depending on where you live. Try researching noise ordinances.

That said, doubtful the music was really loud enough to be illegal.

@quinn.e ☽ u wanna enjoy private peaceful time with ur family stay home. Thats the only place ur guaranteed peace and quiet. The world doesn't have to be quiet to make u comfortable.

The amount of people doing mental gymnastics & jumping through hoops to prove this guy isn't racist, despite his own words & deeds & the testimonials of the people who knew him stating that he was undeniably racist, don't realize that they themselves are being racist, & it's quite interesting to me.

He parked next to them because he wanted na confrontation. The witness did what any reasonable person would have done, parked a few spots down. But he chose to park right next to the car full of black kids blasting music. He knew exactly what he was doing.

He parked next to them because he wanted na confrontation. The witness did what any reasonable person would have done, parked a few spots down. But he chose to park *right next* to the car full of black kids blasting music. He knew *exactly* what he was doing.

My neighbors play hard music all the time. I work overnight, come home in the morning, mid-day, that's when they want to play they music. They are white, and I'm black. Imagine harming these people because of their lourd music, while I'm trying to get some sleep. I hate these people listening to these loud music,but I won't do nothing stupid. Just move on and leave.

@Ana Hernandez yes, it is. No one likes it when people blast music above 50 volume in a car. At around 25-30, you can already hear it from outside the car, so imagine listening to things on 100. People have preferences and opinions on things but I’m sure that a majority don’t appreciate it if they hear loud things while trying to, somewhat, enjoy their private time with loved ones or even by themselves.

TLDR; we’re trying to have a little rest but people that play music unnecessarily loud are completely disregarding how it would impact everyone else

I like my music loud so I just turn up my worship gospel music just as loud too so I can’t hear the others

@beefchuck and they're not culturally insensitive for blasting that shit?

It wasn’t the loud music. It was the rap (thug) music. Because if it was his favorite song they would have had a sing-a-long in the parking lot with zero issues

The language he uses also seems to indicate him being racist

@William Wilson listening to music loudly. Is not disturbing the peace buddy. Check ur entitlement before u comment.

@Ana Hernandez Christ, that is pretty dumb. It is inconsiderate to play loud music when others are around who don’t want to listen…especially if it’s so loud it’s painful.  That’s why we have laws designed to prevent disturbing the peace.

@goodwill lover how is thug a racist word? I’m not saying it can’t stem from racist thoughts but the word thug in no way implies someone is black or any other color for that matter.

It's not inconsiderate to play loud music. The fact that yt ppl feel that entitled that anything they don't like is inconsiderate. I mean how about u just mind ur own business. Who cares what other ppl do. U don't like loud music. Don't listen to loud music. Wow. So simple eh.

I bet he blasted music when he was a teenager. There was only one kid who was outside of the care t a l k i n g to him and they weren’t even grown men (if they were grown they still wouldn’t have been a threat in any capacity but, what could a normal teenage boy do to a grown man?).

@goodwill lover You do get middle-aged people who see all of that generation as thugs, or who see certain behaviour (loud music, handing round on the street, tattoos etc.) as the mark of a thug. There may be a racist element, there probably is, but he may also have taken the same attitude against a bunch of white working class kids.

Mike was reasoning with his chest rather than brains........ Lesson: don't meddle on other people's problems

I would imagine it, but would never go through with it

Totally agree with you. People are going to act the way they want regardless, so its pointless to engage them just leave to another store.

the most obvious part is that he displays zero remorse for killing a teenager

When the video started, I imagined these were neighbors who played loud Music all the time and the guy got fed up... But then it was kids in a parking lot. They could get away from them and possibly never see them again. The guy killed someone and wasted his own life for nothing

@beefchuck and then him calling the kids “thugs”..just because they were playing some music. Def racist


I can't help but enjoy the thought of how much it must be bothering him to get interrogated and contradicted by a black man.


"Do I need a lawyer? Sounds like that I'm in deep shit!"  "Nay...it's a bit too late for this now basically. I mean do what ever you want bruv. It's your time innit?"<br>Even if I would know that I"m innocent I would never ever talk to them without a Lawyer I trust. Especially not in a situation like that.

"Do I need a lawyer? Sounds like that I'm in deep shit!"  "Nay...it's a bit too late for this now basically. I mean do what ever you want bruv. It's your time innit?"
Even if I would know that I"m innocent I would never ever talk to them without a Lawyer I trust. Especially not in a situation like that.


It's interesting that he would insist on self defence when he clearly created the situation and then fired his gun at the suv that was trying to escape. Idiot.<br>His gf saying "i know" to his comment "i dont like that thug music"... He was obviously looking for trouble any time the opportunity presented itself.

It's interesting that he would insist on self defence when he clearly created the situation and then fired his gun at the suv that was trying to escape. Idiot.
His gf saying "i know" to his comment "i dont like that thug music"... He was obviously looking for trouble any time the opportunity presented itself.


Unfortunately there's alot of these psychos out there, thankfully this one went to jail


Literally who tells people who are not going to see each other again in their life at a gas station to turn off their music. The type of narcissism u have to have imo to think people care about ur feeling or opinion at a gas station baffles me. His voice also rlly annoys me

Its been said that he was already drunk.<br>Thats something a drunk person would definitely do.

Its been said that he was already drunk.
Thats something a drunk person would definitely do.


This is what a massive ego will get you, 10 seconds of stupidity for a life in prison🤦🏻♂ the fiancé is a real good person, she seems quiet and as if she was under his thumb, I wouldn’t be surprised if he was severely abusive, he seems like the narcissistic type, playing the victim, absolutely zero remorse. He’s only sorry because he got caught, rip to the young man who was killed, the other young black men seem very well spoken and intelligent, not like the young thugs he made them out to be.


His overly dramatic performance on the stand is sickening to watch.


The victor of what exactly. His arrogance and entitlement make me sick. My thoughts and prayers are with the young man's family. 😞🙏🏻


That was mailicious of how he just unrelentingly shot at a car and killed an innocent guy who was enjoying his day with his friends. It's a shame.


Loud music is fucking annoying yeah but how long was he going to be there? 5 minutes? What's the point? I'd understand risking confrontation if it's coming from an apartment next door but a car you'll never see again in a matter of minutes? Mind boggling. It's clear he had some fantasy of self defense and saw this as an opportunity to live it out.


"Who reached down and picked it up?"
"Well hopefully is the guy I hit.."

Did I hear correctly.. 😮

That man seems to be narcissist and I would not be surprised if he would also be a man using domestic violance.. So that poor woman is lucky to have gotten rid of him before it would be too late.


Unbelievable! I go regularly to gas stations - in particular a QT where this place is LARGE. And there are people there that are going to put in something loud(I don’t consider some to be music). Who THE HELL ARE YOU TO TELL SOMEONE ELSE TO TURN DOWN THEIR MUSIC or whatever when YOURE THE ONE THAT CAME UP AFTER THEM!!?? BESIDES ITS A FREE COUNTRY - why didn’t this guy park SOMEWHERE ELSE!!?? Wow, you shoot at people over loud music!!


47:55 “Damn, I didn’t really know I was gonna get arrested for murder. That sucks.”


Trash. I’m glad his fiancé knew what was up and stated everything truthfully. I feel so bad for the family of that young man.


40:48 damn thats the most convincing concern for his life i've ever heard


“You went 0-100 without even getting to 50”


“It was either a barrel or a stick”

Yeah, real smooth talking


How am I just now hearing about this case? I literally live on Southside Jax and have been at that specific gas station a million times


I would have had so much trouble  not rolling my eyes during the crap of him  crying on the stand if I was in the jury box.


At first he was so cocky thinking he is smarter than the detectives interrogating him.


He is clearly a nasty man but I’m going to say Those 4 or 5 rum a cokes at the wedding just cost him his life. People don’t realize how much a few drinks can effect them.


the way he paints himself like some kind of main character from an action movie in the interrogation and the trial is so gross... hes literally the stereotype of the narcissistic gun happy american man


I still don’t understand why a seemingly “normal”  man would want to kill obviously young men over rap music. Even if a confrontation broke out it’s not enough to justify what he did. What the hell happened in his head to make him take his gun out and unload it.


These videos reinforce that our RIGHT to have an attorney present is so important, even if you believe you did nothing wrong or your actions were justifiable. Asking for an attorney before answering questions may make you feel like you look guilty, but its actually very smart and essential and it is your right, not privilege. And these videos of these guys drawing guns and shooting prematurely is really disturbing. Our society is filled with guys who think they’re tough because they have a gun, but when they face even the hint of a confrontation they draw and just start shooting. Maybe if they got in a few actual fistfights when they were a kid they wouldn’t be so wimpy and quick to shoot someone. Who knows. In any case, it should be a reminder to everyone not to fire a weapon unless you are absolutely certain that you are in danger.


“I didn’t know i would be arrested. That sucks.” You know what else sucks? Finding out your seventeen year old child has been killed and his friends shot at for a petty argument. Finding out that a grown man made the decision to fire on children. That does suck.


24:32 "and it was either a barrel or a stick"

man deadass just jumped to conclusions and procedded shoot a 17yr old


I wasn’t exactly sure what he was saying so I pulled my gun....? Ya dude you just dug your own grave..


He sounds like a really odd guy,  very slow and  calm in the interview. Strange dude for sure .


Imagine how one feels guilt for going there for wine, while the other for cigarettes


Rhonda was brave.

Also I wonder how he got convicted but George Zimmerman did not.


Not a second of remorse for the boy... only busy with himself. You know there are awfull people in the world, still it battles me to see them in real life


If they at least had a water gun! 🤦🏽♀ fix it lord


Found it especially nasty that he only said he was sorry it turned out the way it did when he found out what exactly he was being charged with. Did they press him to find out if it was racially motivated ?


He realizes after 46:22 minutes that he maybe needs a lawyer. This guy should go to prison no matter what happened, because he is so stupid.

@Manolo Volkov ps - you could equally say, half the pop is of average intelligence or greater. It's a half glass thing (full or empty?)

@Manolo Volkov You missed the facetiousness of my comment. I never argued against either of the two propositions you have outlined. Indeed, you only reinforce my point. Stupidity or intelligence has little to do with a person's eligibility for the big house.

@fred bloggs  What?! Plenty of prisoners are way above average in intelligence; and there are plenty of stupid people that are successful

Yes but if we convicted people on their smarts, well the majority are of average IQ or less, so how big a prison state do you desire?


What the cop said that the teen couldnt have killed him because he was unarmed is invalid and not the thought process when you are in the moment.
Is the guy guilty, yes he is, but when you are confronted with a group of guys or any group for that matter and you are on your own and you are in the middle of a confrontation where verbal profanities are exchanged, there would be no need to have any weapons in the car with the teens as the individual would still feel threatened even if that person is armed.
The simple reason is when you are outnumbered you will always feel defensive regardless who has a weapon.
The teens could all have jumped out of the car and pounced on this guy even without a weapon so the cops point is void, saying the teen couldnt have killed him because he was unarmed.


Damn his girlfriend was such a sweet lady, you could tell it hurt her soul to have to tell the truth about her man


If my voice sounded like this, I would turn myself in for stupidity immediately.

Just call a spade a spade.


He killed a young man and his son's wedding day is marred forever. Selfish man.


As soon as I noticed car full of young loud kids, I'd get the hell out of there. He should've stayed quiet in the car n get out of there with his girlfriend. That's what I would've did.  Whole thing avoidable I think 🤔

car full of blacks that play loud music=obviously not a good location.


He was only supposed to be there a few mins while his fiancée got some wine and he couldn’t just let people be whilst he waited. He does not value human life and this kid lost his life for nothing. He’s also taken a child from his parents/family and traumatised 3 other teens for life. All for nothing.

@[?] Question Block exactly, he made his choice and I hope it haunts him every day. I can’t imagine pulling up next to a car and telling other people what to do to suit me, especially when it’s not hurting anyone.

Exactly what i was thinking, all she was doing was getting a bottle of wine.. just a few minutes and he couldn't just deal with the music for a few minutes. Oh well he made his choice. Sad that someone had to die 😔


Notice how he demonstrates his actions when asked how he shot. He points the weapon at the black cop.