I swear I can’t stop watching these.  If Netflix documentaries had a comment section I would officially never leave my house.

Im almost done with all of them ... hopefully he does more bcuz im addicted and im a guy who never watches the news

A YOUTUBE comment section tho, cos facebook and instagram comment sections suck.

Excuse me but.. what is the difference between Netflix and Youtube? I guess having all those documentaries on Youtube... for free... by people and not huge companies that ruin movies and documentaries and shows, a comment section.. why ON EARTH would you want to have it on a streaming site if you can bingewatch it here? I dont get this Netflix generation. (which is kind of also my generation and that makes me feel sad)

Lol same. Every time I watch a true crime on Netflix I always want to comment and point things out.

Fucking same. This is the only thing that gets me through my 16 hr shifts

You just gave Netflix a Billion dollar Idea !

You just gave Netflix a Billion dollar Idea !

Seriously. You just hit the nail on the head.

Seriously. You just hit the nail on the head.

@Marvin Na that one Ted Bundy documentary falling for a killer was pretty good.

right the comments make the video so much better.

right the comments make the video so much better.

Ma'am you keep saying that you didn't pay your rent because you lost your job because you stopped leaving your house because you are watching psychology videos? Does that sound like a good excuse to you?

You speak my words, lol!! 🤣 Girl, I totally feel you! 🙌

You speak my words, lol!! 🤣 Girl, I totally feel you! 🙌

@Mylena zvezta welll, he is a marine , 6’1 240 pounds, I am 5’7 and 115 pounds. But at the end of the day, what I say goes ;)))))) at least I think that it does 😜

@Marina Keller funny 😂🤣🤣 he must fear of you !

@Marina Keller funny 😂🤣🤣 he must fear of you !

@AdolphHipster so I was right, there was a review section ! 2017, oh already !

@j101s I am addict to "creepy encounter" and one more on reddit but forgot the second. There is a long time. I read it for hours...

@Leslie I am addicted to but it would be better if he put english subtiles. As a french it's sometime hard to understand everything for me just by hearing because sometime we don't hear so much

@Matthew Vaughan there was before I remember. Or it was only for rating maybe...

Bruh literally over half of the entire video is just investigation footage and the other about 10% is his commentary if you’re so interested it’s not impossible to find this stuff online

@Matthew Vaughan They used to have a comment section, but it was shut down a few years ago when one big star (I can't remember who) complained about people posting too many unjustifiably negative comments on her movie.

I don't have netflix and never leave the house so gg

I don't have netflix and never leave the house so gg

Seriously! can someone from Netflix read this and let us add comments cuz I read the comments while I watch these, it’s part of my viewing

Reddit is the comment section for everything on Netflix and most other things on the internet.

Amy Schumer will not allow ratings, she definitely won't allow comments!

These are a lot better than those netflix docs, except for Night Stalker, that was cool. Other's not so much

Meh, documentaries are boring. So linear.

Meh, documentaries are boring. So linear.

Same, it’s on my iPad and I fell asleep, the playlist was on this channel, my husband asking me next day “is everything ok? Something bothers you? We can get out of town for a weekend’ I asked him what’s going on, he replied with “3 videos where about women killing their husbands. Just checking , didn’t know if you were getting some ideas or just enjoyed  watching this type of videos “🤦♀

Are you sure it’s not because you’re  400 pounds

Are you sure it’s not because you’re  400 pounds

I have binged 10 hours of this channel!!!

I have binged 10 hours of this channel!!!

Remember in the beginning of Netflix when you use to be able to leave reviews under shows on Netflix and they scraped it because it was all swear words and sex references 😄

@1966 Anything you don’t have to watch buddy

@1966 Anything you don’t have to watch buddy

Nope. Netflix would bloat this hour into six hour long episodes.

Nope. Netflix would bloat this hour into six hour long episodes.

@AdolphHipster call them out or notice about what?

@AdolphHipster call them out or notice about what?

They’ll never have a comment section. They don’t like it when people call them out or “notice”. That’s why they took off reviews in 2017

Omg I’ve been wanting a comment section on Netflix too!

Omg I’ve been wanting a comment section on Netflix too!

You used to be able to post reviews but Netflix got rid of that feature

Well, corona and all, you're probably not leaving much haha

Well, corona and all, you're probably not leaving much haha

Theres the forensic files collections, if you wanna give it a try.

Theres the forensic files collections, if you wanna give it a try.

@FREEDOMCANADA thats what twitter and reddit is for

@FREEDOMCANADA thats what twitter and reddit is for

Comments are always better then the video.. I almost cant watch tv cause I want to know what other people think of it more them watching it myself

reddit has many real crimes sub for discussions

reddit has many real crimes sub for discussions

Always be lookin for the comment section on Netflix too!

Always be lookin for the comment section on Netflix too!

I do remember this tho. I'm from North Florida, and was living in Jacksonville at the time. What a senseless incident. So sad

🤣🤣🤣 You should win some type of award for this comment. Respek

🤣🤣🤣 You should win some type of award for this comment. Respek

Wow I was just thinking that after watching Netflix I tried to scroll down to read comments like I was on YouTube. Lol 😆 On another note I hate it after I watch a YT video only to find out they disabled the comment section. Pretty sure I lose a little of my soul every time I come across this awful setting. Don't disabled the voices!...Wow rant over.

I'm addicted to JCS this channel is gold for your mind.

And this is free. So no monthly payment.

And this is free. So no monthly payment.

They're brilliant, been binging on them the last few days while working

They're brilliant, been binging on them the last few days while working

I know I always look for the comment section on netflix but it doesn't exist

They do have a doc section.  Click on movie and genre and you will see all the options.  They have a lot of great documentaries on crimes.

Iv been hooked on these for the last few days. Obsessed

Iv been hooked on these for the last few days. Obsessed

Same. 🙌🏽<br>I’m also addicted to ID. (Investigation Discovery)

Same. 🙌🏽
I’m also addicted to ID. (Investigation Discovery)

I thought the exact same thing when watching American Murder: The Family Next Door, “I wish this had a comment section”

I’d definitely binge watch with you haha

I’d definitely binge watch with you haha

Netflix comments section what a great idea

Netflix comments section what a great idea

I mean, given COVID-19 spikes, never leaving is kind of ideal...

I mean, given COVID-19 spikes, never leaving is kind of ideal...

Damn girl you need to broaden your horizons 🤦♂

Damn girl you need to broaden your horizons 🤦♂

Yes and no. If they had a comment section I probably wouldn’t have wasted as much time watching bullshit that repeats itself every season :)

@mad sus Same here. I've never been interested in true crime stories, but it seems like I've fallen into the JCS rabbit hole, and I can't get out. And for some strange reason, I have a craving for a Coke and a Butterfinger!

I just discovered this channel... this is my 3rd episode

I just discovered this channel... this is my 3rd episode

Jim C Swim still has a patreon with about 20 similar videos. Ive resubscribed just to binge watch them all again.

Omg I'm addicted too!!!! Last night I watched like 5! Wth!

Omg I'm addicted too!!!! Last night I watched like 5! Wth!

A Netflix comments section would be dead AF

A Netflix comments section would be dead AF

I swear all of a sudden, boom,  im interested in these videos

I swear all of a sudden, boom,  im interested in these videos


Imagine ruining your life and taking another for such a stupid reason. Game over for this stupid man. <br>RIP to that poor kid.

Imagine ruining your life and taking another for such a stupid reason. Game over for this stupid man.
RIP to that poor kid.


The man was going for an Oscar with the court scene. His testimony in court seems like a completely different case as the interrogation.

Well it didn't help him. But they rehearse like crazy with their lawyers for this, should they insist on taking the stand, which he probably had to do given his initial blabbing but is not generally recommended.


the way he says "that sucks" when they tell him he's being charged for murder is insane to me.


the disturbing aspect is how many lawyers have successfully gotten their clients off the hook by telling them how to act for the jury 👀


I feel so bad for Rhonda, and I respect her massively for her integrity. Refusing to lie for the man she loved because it was the right thing to do.

@Martin Zanichelli lmao, you would start crying as soon as you get into a fight.

@Martin Zanichelli you let a TV guide dictate your psychotic tendencies?

I am a psycopath and I read in TV Guide that a psycopath does not feel sorry for everyone, so I do not feel bad at all.

@Bb if only more people could see that to be the actual truth but you don’t know. Unless you do your own research

Yes i feel respect for her. She looked complacent and so nervous all the time i assumed she'd be the type to defend her fiance by instinct or say she doesn't remember but she was all honest and understood mike was a f*cked up idiot

@Virral you do?? I hope you're sure about that. I don't even remember my own tumblr name. I hope you're doing good, wow what are the chances I found you In the comments on the same vids im watching like this! Fate ☺ you're super cool, keep being you. Thanks for inspiring my evangelion addiction and love for asuka 😋

@bronyamorgan lol yea that's me. i know who you are. hey :)

Youre either an impersonator or I used to follow you on tumblr for years! Woah, if it's you just know your blog was awesome and if not my apologies ☺

@Fresh prince of London Ss ah yes she should have abandoned her family, tracked down the victims and revived the dead

@Virral Rhonda was the least affected from this situation, typical white person, totally forgetting a mother and father lost a son , and a group of young black boys had to watch their friend  get murdered , but let’s feel sorry for the white lady , who went back to the hotel with the killer to eat pizza

@Derrick Harris ... you know you can feel bad for multiple people at once right? without explicitly saying that you do?

You feel so bad for Rhonda?...what about the murder victim and the ones who almost died?


I believe he was legitimately crying because he was sad that he wasn’t around Charlie and Rhonda, he just misdirected those emotions for his story.


Smart move getting a black detective in there. You can see the dynamic playing out well. Gave me chills the way he said "two handed" 29:35 and shot his hands up.


"another car of thugs" doesn't make me think he feels horrible for his crime, nor feel bad about it. It makes me think he feels justified in doing what he did.


"the last thing I'm looking for is trouble" said the man who shot a car full of teenagers 10 times because of some loud music


That last clip of his testimony around 54:00 makes me so mad because you can just tell that he fully, completely expected Rhonda to lie for him about how he callously murdered that boy. That she could just completely shunt aside her humanity like he has and just pretend like that poor kid had to die that night.
Thank god she has a fuckin' heart. You can see on her face she knows someone's baby was murdered and that her fiance didn't think twice about it.

That last clip of his testimony around 54:00 makes me so mad because you can just *tell* that he fully, completely expected Rhonda to lie for him about how he callously murdered that boy. That she could just completely shunt aside her humanity like he has and just pretend like that poor kid had to die that night.
Thank god she has a fuckin' heart. You can see on her face she knows someone's baby was murdered and that her fiance didn't think twice about it.

@Arianna Diamond THANK YOU! There’s so much to this that the commenters above refuse to acknowledge. I can only imagine the million racing thoughts she was having those first 12 hours. It isn’t so black and white as people make it out to be.

@James Broomfield to be fair, he told her that he shot at the car and didn’t hurt anyone and i guess she had no reason not to believe him at the time. she didn’t know anyone died until she watched the news, and was probably thinking “we shouldn’t be sitting here at this hotel, we need to go home so we can talk to the police”

if i were her i wouldn’t want to call and talk to anyone about what happened when i’m still vulnerable to this guy with a GUN who just shot at and killed a boy over music. if she said, “you need to turn yourself in” or “let’s go to the police” he probably would’ve killed her too. she was trying to appease him and keep him calm for the sake of her own life, too.

@Rosmarinstimme  He left her alone for several hours after they got back home, and yet she still didn't call the police. Soooo....yeah, abused woman terrified of retribution? I don't think so.

Also, she was legally obligated to testify, they weren't married so spousal privilege doesn't apply. It was this, or get arrested for perjury. You don't get brownie points for doing the bare minimum of basic human decency, especially if it's done only after you've exhausted every other option.

She should date a black guy for that.. Then visit him with her new man

@Sally H. I think she said that because you know where everything is at your home town including police station etc. and that if they saw their license plate that they'll probably know where they live and would get suspicious if they weren't home.

At least that's what I thought but honestly Idk. I'm just making assumptions.

@James Broomfield true , I was kind of buying it when she got in the car before an explanation of what happened it her confusion, but when she saw on the news that someone died and said "we need to go home". I was like home??? You can't go home..

@James Broomfield Woah! It’s almost as if you called the cops on a KNOWN ABUSER WITH A GUN right in front of him, things might not go good!

Yeah but the police probably told her if she wasn't completely truthful she can probably be charged with accessory to murder cuz she was with him and left the scene with them and they did not call the cops neither did she. Because if you think about it she has a cell phone too and she had all all duty to call police on the spot also cuz now she's a witness, they probably told her that if she's not one hundred percent truthful that she might be charged with being a part of the kids murder


I don't understand how these people can kill someone and later say "I don't want to go to jail" or "I don't want to lose my freedom" they should of thought about that before doing what they did.


That Poor woman.....She is courageous for telling the truth .<br>That poor man that lost his life at such a young age for literally no logical reason...rest in peace.

That Poor woman.....She is courageous for telling the truth .
That poor man that lost his life at such a young age for literally no logical reason...rest in peace.


Stop messing with this channel! It helps me sleep!


I think a part of her love for him probably died when he did what he did. I don't think she can look at him the same way anymore.


i cant imagine how awful this poor boy's family must have felt to learn that their SEVENTEEN YEAR OLD was killed over loud music.

Not loud music. Racism that would be more accurate. The murderer just needed an excuse

@Marie Bee by other people of their own group mostly

@Yuh yuh don't pay him attention brotha he's a troll he's miserable. He'll rot from the inside. Be safe 💯

@taliwakka27 still a kid and it was over music.

@Ebin Friend because of music? Get help.

@Marie Bee I doubt that. The mom is a congress woman now. They were kids not gang bangers. No past crimes or anything.

@Content Ganja I hope that is sarcasm. Noise pollution isn't equal to murder. Noise pollution is a fine and maybe jail and not the death penalty for a reason.

Ikr. It must be horrible and I hope they are doing as close to ok as they can.

you say seventeen year old as if you are saying two year old

Can you imagine if this never happened and this guy had his own kids one day...."turn that music down" and a rebellious teen saying no. What might this violent man have done to his own kids. IF you have that kind of nature as he did, it would come out somewhere else down the line

He was killed because he was black and a racist angry white man was mildly inconvenienced by his presence.

@Douglas Huffstetler no. Just mind your own business and get what you need at the gas station.

I can understand people being upset over music. Personally speaking, I have tinnitus and loud noises annoy the absolute fuck out of me. Enrage me even. For some random dude to shoot a kid over it, especially without a legitimate reason or disability to lean on other then loud music, is very, very disappointing.

@Blackout HQ just turn your music down ffs

@Mikaila Cook state congress but nonetheless impressive

@swtrooper42 oh wow! that’s really good to hear

@Yuh yuh ignore him bro. He just a troll who wants to get a reaction out of people. Best to just ignore him and make him irrelevant.

Lets just completely ignore the last three responses under here because theyre blatantly racist and disgusting and the commenters obviously dont have enough braincells to be reasoned with, so Ill just say I could never imagine that feeling. This vile old man nearly killed four teenagers over MUSIC, like Jesus Christ I couldnt even begin to think about the lasting trauma to the other kids over something so simple

Dont worry, they're used to people they know being shot and killed.

the kid deserve it, shouldn't be a tough guy and disturbing other with their thug music

Very sad. As I've got older, I definitely stopped getting angry over shit while driving. Never been in this situation but road rage etc. It's not worth it, you never know what a stranger is capable of or how they'll react. Not all blaming the kids. Not at all. I don't know if they actually said shit to him or not, altho I'm sure he's exaggerating what they said. But it's best to just ignore people or leave when possible because there's a lot of nuts like this out there. Especially in stand your ground states where people think they can get away with this and often do.

@Mikaila Cook Lucy McBath, representative for Georgia's 6th District since 2019.

I think that the mother of the murdered boy was just elected to Congress! Good for her!


He calls the people in prison "animals" yet he did the exact same thing alot of them are in there for


This is super heartbreaking. Because they were literal teenagers enjoying music, maybe it was too loud but it’s literally harmless in the long run. So for this racist dude to get so triggered by it to shoot at them just shows how much hatred he harbored in his heart prior


This is really a hard one to watch..

the dude very clearly believes he was in on some normative social exceptionalism - quite literally his defensive strategy was to repeat

" I was afraid of black children who wouldn't do what I told them with no back-sass "

+ it's very clear he expected the cops to agree with that take, & to a dude his age, with the lead poisoning and all the media here, you can start to see why he might think that ...

He was waiting for the fellas to pat him on the back & tell him how cool and brave he was for projecting & enforcing white supremacy - even on the witness stand

Lmao if only this had taken place in the 50's. Or today in a small Texas town.


"i hate that thug music"
proceeds to shoot at a car for basically no reason

"i hate that thug music"
*proceeds to shoot at a car for basically no reason*


"..I'm being charged with murder and attempted murder..that sucks."

This guy really doesn't give a fuck that he killed that kid.

@King G So when someone turns 18 in your world, they automatically change colors, or what?

@CornholioPuppetMaster have you considered the possibility that in fact they were innocent?

@Angela J yeah thats a very good point I can't speak for everyone but for me personally a lot of it comes from a combination of not feeling or thinking of myself as better or different than anyone else based on something as hollow as race or gender
On top of that as much as I dislike things like that happening and the people that carry and spread that sort of ideology around I also can't ever truly understand (from a pure empathy perspective) what people on the other side of that go through and deal with
I also don't want to come across like any minor frustration I may have is relevant or significant in any way compared to anyone else
I suppose I just hate to feel like a part of all of that.  I just kinda hate how it seems like the biggest and loudest assholes can be the ones that reach the most people
Sometimes it seems like it takes a thousand people to even attempt to counter one jackass that hurts or kills someone for something that stupid again im not trying to complain I know its absolutely nothing like what people who are victims in some way have to deal with but its still aggravating

@anonymous i agree, the overwhelming majority doesn't. However, i believe the last 4 years has shown us that far too many do. Additionally, a lot of work needs to be done. I think what's most frustrating is that people of color have been talking about this for eons. Many people of non-color would disregard it, minimize it, or flat out didn't believe these things are still happening. You might not realize it but the fact that you instinctively was moved to basically say there are many people in all races that don't see children as children is an example of you minimizing what was said... same with all lives matter slogans it's the same thing.

@My Peep's nor apologized or felt sorry. Mad man

@anonymous clearly you missed @bad bich colada williams point. She is saying that in america, there is this perception that regardless of how old a young black male may be 14, 15, 16, they are perceived as a inherently violent man, instead of an innocent child. See cases such as Tamir Rice and Trevon Martin, as just a few examples. Mr. Dunn knew they were children, because he said so himself... but he saw them as violent thugs and not worthy of living if they did not comply with his demands. This whole thing is an example of him activating his white privilege and protecting his male fragility.

Lots of those upper class folk are so fucking removed from reality.

@CornholioPuppetMaster that sounds more like iran then america

@King G hmm maybe I misunderstood the OP I thought it was in reference to how some people view kids and adults as subhuman based on their race

@King G Yes the brain is not fully developed til 22

@CornholioPuppetMaster death is letting them off bruh

@anonymous that's not true We see kids as kids we don't even call 18 year olds adults because they aren't biologically. I'm 33 and have never viewed a teenage white, Hispanic, Asian or any other as an adult when they weren't

@Simmone Watts Black children aren’t children to some blacks people what’s your point?

@Simmone Watts most defs white children aren't children to some white people either and Hispanic children are not children to some black, white, and other Hispanic people and Asian children are not children to some white, black, Hispanic and other Asian people and......ah well you get the idea sometimes it seems like the only thing humans have been able to consistently work together for about as long as written history and probably before also is hating each other

Black children aren’t children to some white people.

I totally agree. Based on the nature of the crime the death penalty almost seems merciful.


At times, walking away is the best decision to do in your life! That would be the bravest to do!!! If either party did that, there would not be a tragedy!


Thank you for making these amazing videos and providing them for free it makes my Saturday nights awesome


This old man was probably getting roasted and got so angry he went into rage mode and just started shooting


Rhonda immediately shut down his "being in there with them animals" remark in that phone call, and refused to play into his "I'm the victim` nonsense. You could tell just by her reaction on the phone that she didn't have the same views, and probably wouldn't be defending him in court.


So, for those not too familiar with Jacksonville, Baymeadows is in an area of town full of old families. It’s widely considered one of the safest areas in town and a great place to raise a family. That SUVs full of gun wielding lunatics hang out at gas stations is ludicrous. These were just kids being kids.

It just breaks my heart. I have a teenage son. This man is the devil.

@Teena Jarvis I know right! This story literally was on the news for like a week! I remember being at work...crying so hard after they announced Young Jordan was only 17!! My Sons were 15 and 17 at the time!! I was so afraid to let them go out. I even took my car back and made both of my Sons take the bus for rest of the year! A Mother's fear...never leaves! Thank you!

@心黒白 He was exactly what he's been accused of...a Racist! I have 2 teenage Young Men and even though I can't be with them 24/7...they have had their fair share of racism living in Florida! They both are alive and can continue to pray that I never get "that call"! Pray for us and with us...we are doing the same! Peace and Blessings!

As a Jacksonville native I couldn’t agree more..  this man is so delusional even him lying to make himself looks better makes him look like a racist gun nut, this man wasn’t scared of shit and his retelling in such a calm manner is almost laughable. This poor child and family… and his poor friends in the car that saw this happen and had to testify, I’m sick thinking about it and hope they have found peace 🥺

@AnonEyeMouse agree, dude's just fked up

@心黒白 It doesn't make a difference if he was aware of the areas reputation or not. He opened fire on a car full of guys because he didn't like their music. Rhonda would have been five minutes, tops, buying a bottle of wine. If I can listen to ten minutes of country or polka without going postal, he can listen to five minutes of whatever they were playing without resorting to murder.

@Queen UshiriYah damn, that makes alot crazier than it already was, what a fkn racist.<br>Thanks for sharing your experience of the area, now i know his reaction had 0 rational intent and was just pure evil

@Queen UshiriYah damn, that makes alot crazier than it already was, what a fkn racist.
Thanks for sharing your experience of the area, now i know his reaction had 0 rational intent and was just pure evil

@心黒白 Baymeadows is a very nice area! I used to work for ClientLogic off of Baymeadows, that's where you go when you want a great paying job, sage neighborhoods and general caring people...mostly older! I used to leave my windows down in my car while I was at work. I'd never do that on the West side, where I lived!!

Ironically, the only gun wielding lunatic that night was Dunn, and he was an out-of-towner.

They were prolly just some normal people gettin a blunt and some munchies, doin what most teens do. Then along came this rap hating lowkey racist.

fr! this whole time, i'm over here thinking "wait... that's a nice part of town."

@LostStarzOfTheSky facts. Jacksonville relative here also... And you all are correct the areas explaining are not violent places at all.. Definitely when compared to other areas in the city.. trust me I know lol

I live here and gangs are in every part of town.  You can not shoot until you see the weapon, unless you is a cop.<br>If they threatened to kill 911 should have been called and he should have left.

I live here and gangs are in every part of town.  You can not shoot until you see the weapon, unless you is a cop.
If they threatened to kill 911 should have been called and he should have left.

Even if this did take place in a “dangerous” area, even if the guys in the suv were armed themselves, that’s still not an excuse to start a random confrontation or shoot at them for listening to loud music at a gas station.

Yeah this is nowhere near downtown or any of the areas with trouble, it doesn't even LOOK sketch at all. Its one of the cleanest areast in Jacksonville.


Im glad the cops didn't even entertain his bullshit they picked him apart real quick they pointed out every inconsistency my first thought was if your windows were up and the music was blasting how could you make out what they were saying literally nothing of his story made sense but that alone would be enough to know hes full of shit also not only was Rhonda honest she was an adversarial witness against dunn in the trial good on her


These young men who happened to enjoy rap music saw their friend die. I feel awful for them, like unless you served in viet nam or any war really you shouldn’t have to go through that


Michael Dunn: They are violent thugs.<br>Also Michael Dunn:  (Acts like an actual thug)

Michael Dunn: They are violent thugs.
Also Michael Dunn:  (Acts like an actual thug)


I can really empathize with her because I had to testify in an abuse case, and my father (the defendant) had attempted to coach me before the trial. Although her bond to the defendant was much stronger, and the case more serious, I know that kind of terror. The fact that she told the truth, no matter how painful it was to say, shows that she is a wonderful person who deserves peace and happiness. One day, I hope she sees these comments, because should know hundreds if not thousands of people support her.

@isabel lind I never called her å victim, I just think she deserves the benefit of the doubt. Could she have done something better? She didn't know if anyone even got hurt. You don't either know how you would react. She was obiviously fearful, he could be severly controlling for all we know. Anyways, she did the right thing MOST of the time. She came forward as soon as she realized how serious it was. He did the shooting, the driving, the lying, the victim blaming and everything. HE was in the wrong. She was at the wrong place at the wrong time with the wrong man, that is it. She helped this case. She cared more about the young man dying and justice, than she cared for her fiance's freedom. You don't know how you would react. She did NOTHING wrong.

@isabel lind Please, nothing is on her. She showed her true colors when testifying. She was probably both in shock and denial. She testified against him, no matter how hard it was. No reason to blame her for anything. Regardless, her calling the police wouldn't really change the outcome.

I also really want to commend Jordan Davis’s friends. The same amount of support should go to them too.


I feel so bad for Rhonda, she seems like such a sweet lady


the woman seems so sweet, I feel sorry for her too.


"I can't shoot someone because in my mind they have a weapon" - A Cop<br>lol

"I can't shoot someone because in my mind they have a weapon" - A Cop
lol


"Ugh I hate that thug music" I'm sorry but I burst into laughter. Imagine that being enough for you to fire shots and kill someone. And then lie because you're in denial about the whole thing and say they threatened you when YOU indeed were the threat.


For most of this video, we saw a bad person who did a bad thing trying to make himself look good. ......and At the very end, we saw a good person doing a good thing trying to make herself feel better. God bless that woman. She chose her soul.

@May de Wilde Definitely not easy for her :(

@Ross J MacGregor I totally agree with you, I think she hated having to accept that the man she had planned and dreamed about spending the rest of her life with was not the man she had thought

I don't think she was feeling good at all, but she knew that the truth was the most important thing.

@Gary Enwards I would put all of your money on her doing the exact same thing if she was not under oath, she is a genuine good gentle woman. The reason she was emotional was because it was tough for her to through this ordeal, at the same time knowing that this person she still has strong feelings for will never walk free again.

The reason Mike was with a woman like her was because he was always in full control. As soon as I saw him I knew he was a total prick, throughout the video he went on to prove my prejudgement of him was spot on.

She didn't do it to make herself feel better, but quite the opposite. She did it because she's a good honest person. It didn't make her feel better doing it


Justice, and congrats on the spouse to tell the truth, even tho they were so in love to the point of tear dropping, jez that felt good to watch


This is so damn sad, young life lost for absolutely no reason. RIP


He keeps saying that he said “Thank you” like that makes him out to be the good guy.


Even if he’d kept his mouth shut, there is no self defense justification for shooting at the car as it’s driving away.  He still would be guilty of second degree murder and be in prison for life.


Bless the wife for dropping his story and saying the truth, she alone destroyed any story he could have made by telling the truth.

God the whole time im listening to her I just want her to stop, because she clearly is too scarred and bruised from this experience to really be fit for sitting up there... yet they made her do it anyways.  God what an unfortunate situation.

@SarahsCraftyCreation agreed. If he can't take someone cursing at him, I don't know how he made it this long in life before killing someone talking back to him.

@Jamal Sowell Dunn is where he belongs. The fiancé was probably in the convenience store for 10 minutes if that, it doesn’t take long to grab wine and chips. If he can’t deal with a minor nuisance for that long without resorting to murder, he should never be released

@Skylar still isnt justification. Maybe if he minded his business in the first place, he never would have a confrontation with the kid in the first place. If he doesn't like cigarette smoke, and a guy is smoking, he's not just going to blast the guy cause he's smoking. There is zero justification for what he did.

@derainboI mean one of the witnesses said the last thing he said was “you’re not gonna fucking talk to me like that” before he shot so I think he just wasn’t taking back talk for black kids especially since even the other teens said the kid was slinging cuss words at him. Also all his neighbors said he was a hot head who liked to start shit with them cause he was a tough guy.

@renee I don’t think she’s defending him, just more so saying people are crazy and you never know who’s going to snap over the lightest things. Just my take on it at least :)

I honestly don’t think she ever had the idea of lying nor did he ever try to get her to lie for him. He probably assumed she would have for him, but luckily she naturally told the truth. Also did they ever get even a guess motive? Dunn said self defense but what was going on in his head? “Some teens playing music better kill them.”???

@renee Yes, from taking a look at her other comments, she is.

@Suzy Rottencrotch I’m confused as to what the purpose of your comment is, are you trying to defend the murderer?

I feel like she was so honest bc she’s a nurse & has probably seen needless loss of life & human suffering for no reason. He shot a child & left the scene immediately, she knew he was guilty.

I don't think she ever "held" his story in the first place


"I had friend in the military who taught me blah blah". Took out his inadequacies as a human, fantasised about being a bad ass and was itching for an excuse to validate his masculinity. Yay America.


23:43 love this bit detective stops him explaining cause I know know why cause it stops the suspect rest his mind and adds to anxiety and its subtly aggressive aswell I learn this from this uploader 👍


41:19 "the last thing I want is trouble"
But the FIRST thing he wanted was to kill someone.
I hope it's the one I hit. Who says that.


man, his downfall is completely his own making. he not once told the love of his life of his concerns of them having a gun, he went outside to walk the dog unarmed, he didn't contact police or anyone regarding this and instead fled the scene. i think even had he lawyered up big time he wouldn't have gotten off the hook

rhonda's account truly unmade him and sealed his fate


According to his neighbour, Dunn was a controlling person who often came across as arrogant and his ex-wives would tell him of the domestic abuse they suffered although he never witnessed it himself. Just watching Rhonda, I get the feeling she's suffered similarly. She's terrified to even be up there to the point she can't tell left from right. The stare he gives when she says Dunn did not mention a shotgun at any point, effectively dismantling what little defence he had, says a lot.

Sadly not surprising at all. Look at her hand shaking when she even went to sworn to tell the truth.

If that’s all true, I’m so glad she told the truth and didn’t defend him out of fear.

Probably a bit of a gut check for her relationship standards. Hoping her next guy is far more settled

If that's the case then thankfully she's free now.


There’s nothing like the beginning and watching who gets a picture of them in court and who has to have an old photo pulled. I already know what happens before I watch past the first few minutes.


The take away from every single one of these videos: always take the 5th, only speak with an attorney present.


masterful video journalism, whose imitators pale in comparison. i would like to see a JCS presentation on the criminal group psychology of US foreign policy over the last few decades.


Who was he to demand someone to turn their music down. All he had to do was get his gas ,drink, or whatever the heck he was buying that night and take his a$$ home. He had no right to kill someone because they did not comply to his irrelevant demands.


I feel for his wife so much.
You can see the internal battle she is fighting within herself.
You can tell this is something she will always struggle with.
She is more remorseful then he is even when she is completely innocent and not knowing what her fiance would do.
She is a very honest honorable woman.
I hope she finds somebody who will treat her like the lady she is.

I think she knew her husband had a temper for sure.

@Robert D That's exactly what I expect of the likes of him. And she gives off that mousy vibe. That's why she got in the car when he told her to and didn't ask any questions.

According to the Wikipedia article, a neighbour said that he was supposed to have beat his first wife (although the neighbour never actually witnessed it 1st hand)

She's so "honest and honorable" she rides home with him in relative silence and doesn't call the police or let any authorities know about what just happened.

She's no more honest than him.

They aren’t married. It was already mentioned that they were engaged, not married

Yes!!! She was absolutely breaking my heart. And in the beginning, with the prison phone call, she literally says "I don't think we should talk about it anymore" and he just continues right on talking about it on a recorded line like a moron. Right then I knew we were dealing with a real piece of shit.

@cala lily however she sounds, she's at least honest about the situation, and many people in her position would have been less than helpful or honest. We can maybe question her choice in men, but there's not really any point in picking apart her demeanor, her words are what's important here.

@liukangstoupee this was back in 2012 and the trial took place in 2014, he was sentenced to life plus 90

@a51mj12 hey look we have an expert over here

momster Not sure how it could be phoney considering she was inside the gas station and there's no way she could have foreseen or taken part in this weird random confrontation he randomly started... am I missing something here?

All I see is polished poor-woman acting, rubbing her hands and trying to sound as weakly as possible, when in reality someone in this position is so overwhelmed by adrenaline that must be containing the urge to start jumping with all their might.

Broken Silence she was completely honest. He wasn’t

I think she’s happier without him, he seems like the controlling type

she did the right thing, both for her and the society, this will be haunting her for long time though

I agree with you completely but my sympathy lies with the family of the young man who lost his life and those in the vehicle who will probably suffer emotionally from this for the rest of their lives.

I seriously think she was abused by him. You can believe the second I knew what he had done I'd be at the police station AFTER cussing him tf out but nah, she just goes to the room and then goes home after that! Wtf


Pretty ridiculous he let his fiancé go in the store to buy stuff when he’s the man and he should done that, especially when she was wearing heels and wedding casual attire. That would have avoided the whole situation for him.


Part of the problem is the access to guns these muppets have. He’s had a few drinks and gets into an altercation which ends with him firing his gun. It’s like the other guy who shot the man who pushed him over …there’s no restraint they just go for the weapon and use lethal force. Just have a scrap or a push and a shove and then get back on with your day! Why must they draw their weapon and take a life?? Madness


"Two handed takes longer - more time to think"... Most interjections are good but that one was just stupid. Anyone who owns a gun should use two hands. That's what you automatically want to do when holding a hand gun. At least in my experience. (Shoot with my cousin's step-dad, and shot some pistol during my 'manditory military training' but we mostly used rifles).


'They attacked me' says man who shot at several young adults from in their car because one of them might have a stick and it scared his gun


Imagine killing someone's son after watching your own get married.

Imagine killing someone's son after watching your own get married.

He doesn't think of those black kids as human in the same way as his son.

He doesn't think of those black kids as human in the same way as his son.

Ok, that packed a bit of a punch. Wish this guy had had thought something along those lines himself that night.

@Pika ChuChu I’m not disagreeing with the point you’ve made, however I believe the entire event — from the perpetrator pulling into the spot to him and his fiancé leaving — was three and a half minutes, while the actual shooting was six or seven seconds at most. (With a four second gap between the first six shots and the final four, as well.)

It’s that last part that’s incredibly damning in my eyes: by that point while he pauses the Durango is executing a quick J-turn and then he resumes firing at the REAR of the SUV as it’s speeding AWAY from him….

@Palahume If he had felt threatened he should have called police. Instead he went back to his hotel, walked his dog and seemed to be very calm. Not the actions of someone who feels scared or victimized and that's why he's guilty and vile af

And then calling him a "son of a bitch" in court with his mother sitting in the same room.

And then calling him a "son of a bitch" in court with his mother sitting in the same room.

Um, r-strategy offspring aren't the same thing as K-strategy children. Don't even attempt to equate the two.

@Palahume They probably did! If the tables were turned and the boys shot Michael Dunn, they would all have gone down for it too, regardless of threat or not.

@Pika ChuChu I wouldn't have shot at them either. I agree, he did take it too far. However, I'd be willing to bet that those kids really did threaten him.

@Palahume Threatening a life and taking a life - two very different things. I've never had to kill someone because I felt threatened. If the kids in the car had a gun or a weapon, they would have used it as soon as Michael Dunn fired his shots. But they didn't. So who was the real threat?

@Pika ChuChu Yes, black privilege in this case... Since the courts took their word for it over his. 🤔

@Pika ChuChu I can't imagine that because that's not what happened in this case.. It wasn't over "some music". It was over his life being threatened...lmfao 🤦

@Palahume Imagine shooting and killing a kid over some music and then acting surprised when you have to spend the rest of your life in prison because you took someone's life. 🤦♀

@Palahume the dude referred to these kids as "thugs" and "animals". If you can't see the very blatant dogwhistling you're just oblivious.

There is a reason he was sentenced guilty.

@Burned Edits No. I'm including things said in court and during interrogation. I'd still feel the same way. You're reaching so hard saying the guy merely wanted to kill black teens. I'm very certain that was not the case. 🤦

@Burned Edits I would, easily. If the circumstances were the exact same, and the man presented the same explanation in court, than I wouldn't even think twice to draw the same conclusion.

@Palahume I doubt you would comment the same thing if it were 4 white teen boys shot by a black man.

@Palahume lol why you so quick to defend this murderer?

@Palahume lol why you so quick to defend this murderer?

@Pika ChuChu If I see the word "privilege" again I'm going to vomit 🤢🤦

@Pika ChuChu If I see the word "privilege" again I'm going to vomit 🤢🤦

Imagine threatening a man's life because he asked you to turn your music down, and then acting surprised when he defends himself.. And then omitting in court that you threatened him and allowing him to spend the rest of his life in prison because of your omission of truth. 🤦

Conan the barbarian survival of the fittest alpha chad type stuff

Conan the barbarian survival of the fittest alpha chad type stuff

Happens all the time in the hud. Life for a Life blood for blood

Happens all the time in the hud. Life for a Life blood for blood

@Pika ChuChu <br>I'm thinking that " gay" is a " Flickted' statement. lol

@Pika ChuChu
I'm thinking that " gay" is a " Flickted' statement. lol

Damn. That's fucking deep. Didn't even think about it like that... faaawwk. Now that kids dad will never see his son get married🥶

@fabbi1. im not friends with them, i hung out with them alot, in our village. 2. His lies are not convincing to u, because u know they are lies lol. How can u make such a statement? Such a 0 thought statement.

@Zelchi 1. why are you friends with pathological liars 2. his lies aren't convincing at all, you're just gullible 😕

@chris bean I was quoting the original comment. As in like imagine being this racist that he killed a black guy only bc of hatred and the loud music, thug music bs is just an excuse.

@Sour Pickle well then why would you want us to imagine it

@Sour Pickle well then why would you want us to imagine it

@Max David You make a really interesting point. The guy definitely had issues.

@Max David You make a really interesting point. The guy definitely had issues.

It is worth noting that he was previously estranged from the son who gone married. IMO, that should be indicative of his character, obviously in addition to killing a teenager

@Nyah Senai Michael Dunn killed a 17 year old kid. The sentiment is about his privilege allowing him to think that someone else's kid is less important than his own.

@Nyah Senai they were around the same age, so no

@Nyah Senai they were around the same age, so no

@Nyah Senai Bacon boils down to  "slaughtered sliced cured pig", but some things just sound better 🙄.

@Nyah Senai Bacon boils down to  "slaughtered sliced cured pig", but some things just sound better 🙄.

I mean, any man you kill will have been someone's son, so the scenario boils down to "imagine killing a man after your son gets married".

@João Rebocho OaW To an extent I agree why there would be confusion. If we didn't see the interrogation and we just saw the CCTV footage of the shooting, I think there would be very little room for doubt about whether he was right or wrong. The boys try to drive away and Michael Dunn carries on shooting. 10 shots in 3 and a half minutes. In my opinion, 3.5 minutes is a long time in this situation. In those 3.5 minutes not a single shot is fired back so I would fail to justify the 10 bullets fired into a reversing car. Seems like overkill to me.

@Addie Alexander trust me. We always feel like the truth is easy to grasp after we already know it. If you weren't watching this video already aware of the events it's very likely you'd have a harder time coming to a conclusion

@João Rebocho OaW Is that true? You listen to this guy for 2 minutes and it is impossible to not know he is lying. Well, I think so. He's a terrible liar. And shooting people in the back...I mean...really there was a big division on this case? I wonder if it was racism or the way it was portrayed in the media. Both I guess.

@Pika ChuChu And evidence and his own mouth.

@Pika ChuChu And evidence and his own mouth.

@João Rebocho OaW It's just a way of looking at the situation. Putting those to facts together is a way to think of it we did not all put together that way.

@Skye Michael Makes you want to hug him in sympathy and support. Lol

@Skye Michael Makes you want to hug him in sympathy and support. Lol

@Pika ChuChu you probably do not know, but opinions were incredibly divided when this was news.

@Pika ChuChu you probably do not know, but opinions were incredibly divided when this was news.

@João Rebocho OaW I mean.. He was incarcerated because people didn't believe him.

@João Rebocho OaW I mean.. He was incarcerated because people didn't believe him.

@Pika ChuChu no one did. Hence why people were believing his story

@Pika ChuChu no one did. Hence why people were believing his story

@João Rebocho OaW People with privilege usually don't make those connections. I definitely wouldn't have expected him to make it.

@Pika ChuChu the man's insane. What I mean is that nothing in this situation would cause him to make such a connection since they were grown men and weren't accompanied by their parents. Either way, you were right, your comment makes sense given they should be about the same age as his son. I just feel it's a forceful connection to be making

@João Rebocho OaW I completely agree that every man is someones son. What I mean by my comment is that he believed that he had the right to take away a kids life but his own will go on to get married and live a full one. It's more-so about privilege.

Everyone is someone's son. This statement sounds profound but means nothing in reality

Not defending the man in any way, just commenting on this specific comment

@Skye Michael wow ur so very funny great comment 😁

@Skye Michael wow ur so very funny great comment 😁

Yeah but he’s the victim, he might be the victor, but he’s the victim too!

Yeah but he’s the victim, he might be the victor, but he’s the victim too!

@Venetta Vogel but im friends with pathological liars who believe themselves and i always know they r lying. Maybe its cause it was such a serious situation

@e g i know what im saying is his lies sound like the truth they r that good

@e g i know what im saying is his lies sound like the truth they r that good

@Zelchi didn’t they pull out after he started shooting? And he still shot at the moving vehicle. If he truly felt scared, he would’ve let the vehicle go and be glad that the danger is gone, he just needed to wait for his fiancé and book it. But, no, he wasn’t scared. He was a white man who felt threatened by a black teenager playing “thug music” and decided killing him was the only solution.

Imagine being such a boomer, that you shoot a kid for playing loud music.

Imagine being such a boomer, that you shoot a kid for playing loud music.

imagine killing some kid over loud music....

imagine killing some kid over loud music....

@Skye Michael Does your mother know you've travelled back to 2006 to comment that?

@Skye Michael Does your mother know you've travelled back to 2006 to comment that?

Thats a very profound statement. Impressive

Thats a very profound statement. Impressive


"i cant shoot someone because in my mind they had a weapon" wish more cops understood that


There are millions of psycho/sociopaths out there. If you would put them in a compromising situation where they had their ego contested, they too would be in a courtroom, fighting for their freedom.


He was finished after that second "volley" of shots. He had very little chance after the first set. Precisely the problem with everybody and their brothers able to walk around like the wild, wild West. Change my mind.


so many comments about how everyone feels bad for Rhonda, and none about the boy who died…


“Your car’s not shooting at them, you are.” Perfect statement by the interrogator

"what was the purpose of that?"
"to save my life"
"from the door?"

And impressive in how immediate the statement was. Such a great job he did, kudos to him


That poor young man and his family. What an arrogant manipulative POS. I hope his finance can move on. She did the right thing. Bless all that did.🙏


Every so often I watch this and I hope this guy is having a nightmare in prison <br>He annoys me so much

Every so often I watch this and I hope this guy is having a nightmare in prison
He annoys me so much


Rhonda was probably unconsciously relieved to be away from him. With her being meek and her mild, he probably bullied her all the time. GOOD RIDDANCE


Michael: “I was shooting at the door”
Officer: “What was the purpose of that?”
Michael: “To save my life”
Officer: “From the door?”

Michael: Well I thought the door had a shotgun... or maybe it was a stick.

I know this is a serious situation, but I lost it when the cop said, "from the door?"

To be fair, a shotgun would mince anything from that distance. Like if there really was a barrel pointing at you, what would you do? Driving away is not an option obviously.

Love that the officer is low key roasting him

@Chad K at that point they weren't being idiotic. They were not being professional at worst. It was sarcasm and outright mocking them.

@Chad K Most people would shoot through the window if they wished to hit someone attacking. IF the attacker's head is already down then they're clearly not a threat anymore. Why do you feel the need to defend the story? Even if the attacker coming out of the door and then going back in the car makes sense, the defendant had no reason to continue his "defensive" firing. Shooting at the doors of a car means you're trying to hit someone who's HIDING.

Flusterette: Imagine if he hit the pump and exploded and killed who knows how many.

Chad K Dude you can if he’s lying, what’s he’s saying wasn’t making sense therefor they played along to his deception. Most shooters would never get out of their car. It makes no sense to be suppressive firing when they clearly had nothing resembling a gun. Let the cops mess with him a little bit, it adds pressure which is part of the interrogation technique.

"So I shot 4 more times"
"When they were fleeing?"
"Yeah. And they had their heads down trying to protect themselves from the severe threat that I was presenting"

"I'm the victim here".

@Flusterette adrinalin is one hell of a drug even trained cops who thought they shot 4 shots each actually shot 14 and 18 times respectively because of all the adrenalin

@Chad K but don't forget, by that point they'd also been talking about that there was no weapon and that he was already starting to go into overkill while the vehicle backed up; hitting the front passenger door as well, and nearly getting the driver in the head too. Like, he can't SEE what he's shooting, so I think the Cop wanted to try to get some humility from Dunn. I know they were trying to make him feel like a weisel, but he had ALSO fled scene & didn't get in touch with cops right away. And he ALSO didn't have an attorney present. Dunn asked for it. Dunn's one of those people who are cowards with lead. Right to bear arms, sure. But he pretty much did it all wrong. Trigger happy jerk.

Seriously. When the car is leaving, like... Stop shooting. You're not a cop. You're not performing a citizen's arrest. Nobody is shooting at you. Don't recklessly and vengefully empty your clip. Ugh if these people had to wield a knife instead, you'd see much smarter fighters. One of the reasons I'm annoyed by guns in the hands of amateurs.


"hopefully the guy that I hit."<br>I don't know if I should take this as a "I hope the guy who reached for the gun got what he deserved" or as a "hopefully no innocent people got hurt", but judging his tone...

"hopefully the guy that I hit."
I don't know if I should take this as a "I hope the guy who reached for the gun got what he deserved" or as a "hopefully no innocent people got hurt", but judging his tone...


Something that really gets me about this guy and this interrogation is the lack of remorse or guilt. If I (or practically anyone else) had shot and killed someone in self defense-even if it WAS my life vs theirs- I would be so ridiculously distraught. And this guy, whose story is entirely bs? Nothing.

Definitely. He is acting very matter of fact and confidently deliberate about his actions. I would be crying on the floor, apologizing. at least get manslaughter or something alike. His hate and pride won’t allow that though.


"What was the purpose of you shooting the door?"
"Save my life??"
"From the door?"
"No-"
Lmao


Dunn: the guy said he was gonna kill me! Of course his friends would corroborate with him!
Detectives: we have several independent witnesses who heard the conversation
Dunn: ...well I wasn't sure if i heard him...


This guy doesn't want to be locked up with the "animals." He still doesn't realize he is one.

self defense isn't being an animal, it's preservation

self defense isn't being an animal, it's preservation

aint no pistols in jail he will be someone's bride

aint no pistols in jail he will be someone's bride

@Nayden Benchev I don't know if socialism is the answer or not but I do know capitalism is messed up. All you working people literally work to make me wealthy.

Disagree. My dog would never do something like this. The worst thing he’s ever done is bark at squirrels. This guy’s not an animal, he’s a monster.

@LuBu4u "However, a key development in the course of soviet democracy in Russia occurred in March, 1921, with the Kronstadt rebellion. The outset of the year was marked by strikes and demonstrations - in both Moscow and Petrograd, as well as the countryside - due to discontent with the results of policies that made up war communism. The Bolsheviks, in response to the protests, enacted martial law and sent the Red Army to disperse the workers. This was followed up by mass arrests executed by the Cheka. Repression and minor concessions only temporarily quelled the discontent as Petrograd protests continued that year in March. This time the factory workers were joined by sailors stationed on the nearby island-fort of Kronstadt. Disappointed in the direction of the Bolshevik government, the rebels demanded a series of reforms including: reduction in Bolshevik priviliges, newly elected soviet councils to include socialist and anarchist groups, economic freedom for peasants and workers, dissolution of the bureaucratic governmental organs created during the civil war, and the restoration of worker rights for the working class.[18] The workers and sailors of the Kronstadt rebellion were promptly crushed by Red Army forces, with a thousand rebels killed in battle and another thousand executed the following weeks, with many more fleeing abroad and to the countryside. These events coincided with the 10th Congress of the Russian Communist Party (Bolsheviks). There, Lenin argued that the soviets and the principle of democratic centralism within the Bolshevik party still assured democracy. However, faced with support for Kronstadt within Bolshevik ranks, Lenin also issued a "temporary" ban on factions in the Russian Communist Party. This ban remained until the revolutions of 1989 and, according to some critics, made the democratic procedures within the party an empty formality, and helped Stalin to consolidate much more authority under the party. Soviets were transformed into the bureaucratic structure that existed for the rest of the history of the Soviet Union and were completely under the control of party officials and the politburo."

Interesting how Bolsheviks had to put down other Socialists due them being the wrong kind of socialists eh? Almost as if its not all one and the same.

These paragraphs and snippets are from your link btw.

In case you are too far gone to understand what the argument is here:

The French revolution was largely a failure in terms of what the original goal was and what they got. They wanted to abolish the monarchy and to abolish or at least bridge the gaps between the lower and the upper classes. Instead they got the reign of terror, Robespierre and later on an emperor who crowned himself as an absolute ruler. Does that mean that the ideals of  "fraternite egalite liberte" doesn't work? Does that mean that the serfs were wrong to want to overthrow the current system? Does the failure of the French revolution to realize their goals mean that the only rightful way to rule is monarchy?

Another interesting thought experiment: How did the fact that every monarch power in Europe tried to militarily crush the revolution affect the revolutionary government? How did the fact that every Fascist and Capitalist states in the world tried to crush every almost every Communist or socialist revolution in history affect the course of these revolutions? - Not really related to the topic but it is interesting to see how armed revolution and threatening the status quo has a tendency to corrupt everything.

@LuBu4u *"However, a key development in the course of soviet democracy in Russia occurred in March, 1921, with the Kronstadt rebellion. The outset of the year was marked by strikes and demonstrations - in both Moscow and Petrograd, as well as the countryside - due to discontent with the results of policies that made up war communism. The Bolsheviks, in response to the protests, enacted martial law and sent the Red Army to disperse the workers. This was followed up by mass arrests executed by the Cheka. Repression and minor concessions only temporarily quelled the discontent as Petrograd protests continued that year in March. This time the factory workers were joined by sailors stationed on the nearby island-fort of Kronstadt. Disappointed in the direction of the Bolshevik government, the rebels demanded a series of reforms including: reduction in Bolshevik priviliges, newly elected soviet councils to include socialist and anarchist groups, economic freedom for peasants and workers, dissolution of the bureaucratic governmental organs created during the civil war, and the restoration of worker rights for the working class.[18] The workers and sailors of the Kronstadt rebellion were promptly crushed by Red Army forces, with a thousand rebels killed in battle and another thousand executed the following weeks, with many more fleeing abroad and to the countryside. These events coincided with the 10th Congress of the Russian Communist Party (Bolsheviks). There, Lenin argued that the soviets and the principle of democratic centralism within the Bolshevik party still assured democracy. However, faced with support for Kronstadt within Bolshevik ranks, Lenin also issued a "temporary" ban on factions in the Russian Communist Party. This ban remained until the revolutions of 1989 and, according to some critics, made the democratic procedures within the party an empty formality, and helped Stalin to consolidate much more authority under the party. Soviets were transformed into the bureaucratic structure that existed for the rest of the history of the Soviet Union and were completely under the control of party officials and the politburo."*

Interesting how Bolsheviks had to put down other Socialists due them being the wrong kind of socialists eh? Almost as if its not all one and the same.

These paragraphs and snippets are from your link btw.

In case you are too far gone to understand what the argument is here:

The French revolution was largely a failure in terms of what the original goal was and what they got. They wanted to abolish the monarchy and to abolish or at least bridge the gaps between the lower and the upper classes. Instead they got the reign of terror, Robespierre and later on an emperor who crowned himself as an absolute ruler. Does that mean that the ideals of  "fraternite egalite liberte" doesn't work? Does that mean that the serfs were wrong to want to overthrow the current system? Does the failure of the French revolution to realize their goals mean that the only rightful way to rule is monarchy?

Another interesting thought experiment: How did the fact that every monarch power in Europe tried to militarily crush the revolution affect the revolutionary government? How did the fact that every Fascist and Capitalist states in the world tried to crush every almost every Communist or socialist revolution in history affect the course of these revolutions? - Not really related to the topic but it is interesting to see how armed revolution and threatening the status quo has a tendency to corrupt everything.

@LuBu4u " You cannot agree or disagree when questioned "How""

What?? The original question was meant to gauge your knowledge (you had to google it and couldn't put anything into your own words, hoping that the article you never even read would be enough for you) as well as to showcase that the Bolsheviks never practiced Marxism to any meaningful extent. Any democracy that was available was for show and extremely local, in that case Feudal society was democratic too as peasants could often petition the king or local lords.

I mean there are similarities, but its still not the same. Marx did bring up the possibility of a centralized state working for and being run by the proletariat democratically. How democratic things ought to be and what is allowed to be run democratically is up to the different -isms. Lenin argued that war time communism ought not to be disrupted by factionalism and thus eroded the democratic power of the proletariat.

"If you read the article you would see how the USSR democratized the proletariat, successfully or otherwise.  Youre pathetic."

I'm pathetic because im pointing out that there are differences between things that are different?

So am I pathetic if I point out that there is a difference between laissez faire capitalism and mixed market economics or Keynesian economics despite all of them being capitalist systems?

Notice how you have not made any argument on your own and have just relied on the hope that something in that article makes you sound like you have a point.

Here are some quotes that nullify that:

"After the revolution, the Bolsheviks had to defend the newly formed government in World War I and the Russian Civil War. According to some critics, many of the effects of the wars on the new Soviet government may be part of what led to the decline of soviet democracy in Russia (due to the authority the state took on in war time) and to the emergence of the bureaucratic structure that maintained much control throughout the history of the Soviet Union."

"Some believe that one key blow against soviet democracy occurred as early as March 1918, when all nineteen city soviets that were elected during the spring were disbanded in a series of Bolshevik coups d'etat because workers returned Menshevik-SR (Remember how i told you that they actually held a popular vote and that the bolsheviks lost to democratic socialists) majorities, or non-Bolshevik socialist majorities."

These paragraphs and snippets are from your link btw.

edit: btw, just realized that my original question to you was "In which ways did the USSR democratize the economy", which is not even touched upon by this article. You have been answering questions (wrongfully) that I never asked.

@LuBu4u *" You cannot agree or disagree when questioned "How""*

What?? The original question was meant to gauge your knowledge (you had to google it and couldn't put anything into your own words, hoping that the article you never even read would be enough for you) as well as to showcase that the Bolsheviks never practiced Marxism to any meaningful extent. Any democracy that was available was for show and extremely local, in that case Feudal society was democratic too as peasants could often petition the king or local lords.

I mean there are similarities, but its still not the same. Marx did bring up the possibility of a centralized state working for and being run by the proletariat democratically. How democratic things ought to be and what is allowed to be run democratically is up to the different -isms. Lenin argued that war time communism ought not to be disrupted by factionalism and thus eroded the democratic power of the proletariat.

*"If you read the article you would see how the USSR democratized the proletariat, successfully or otherwise.  Youre pathetic."*

I'm pathetic because im pointing out that there are differences between things that are different?

So am I pathetic if I point out that there is a difference between laissez faire capitalism and mixed market economics or Keynesian economics despite all of them being capitalist systems?

Notice how you have not made any argument on your own and have just relied on the hope that something in that article makes you sound like you have a point.

Here are some quotes that nullify that:

"After the revolution, the Bolsheviks had to defend the newly formed government in World War I and the Russian Civil War. According to some critics, many of the effects of the wars on the new Soviet government may be part of what led to the decline of soviet democracy in Russia (due to the authority the state took on in war time) and to the emergence of the bureaucratic structure that maintained much control throughout the history of the Soviet Union."

"Some believe that one key blow against soviet democracy occurred as early as March 1918, when all nineteen city soviets that were elected during the spring were disbanded in a series of Bolshevik coups d'etat because workers returned Menshevik-SR (Remember how i told you that they actually held a popular vote and that the bolsheviks lost to democratic socialists) majorities, or non-Bolshevik socialist majorities."

These paragraphs and snippets are from your link btw.

edit: btw, just realized that my original question to you was "In which ways did the USSR democratize the economy", which is not even touched upon by this article. You have been answering questions (wrongfully) that I never asked.

@LuBu4u "Its been fully answered."

It hasn't since if you read the entire article you would see that it agrees with my stance, not yours.

"Youre just back peddling into "It wasnt REAL communism!" and ive already seen this song and dance. Very pretty essay though, congrats."

I'm saying Marxism and Marxist-Leninism aren't the same, which is what I have done since the beginning.

There is a difference between a Marxist Leninist and a Democratic Socialist, there is a difference between a Democratic Socialist and a Social Democrat, There is a difference between a Syndicalist and a Trade unionist. All of these however are either socialist/marxist ideologies or a at the very least a compromise.

Which is all im saying :)

@LuBu4u *"Its been fully answered."*

It hasn't since if you read the entire article you would see that it agrees with my stance, not yours.

*"Youre just back peddling into "It wasnt REAL communism!" and ive already seen this song and dance. Very pretty essay though, congrats."*

I'm saying Marxism and Marxist-Leninism aren't the same, which is what I have done since the beginning.

There is a difference between a Marxist Leninist and a Democratic Socialist, there is a difference between a Democratic Socialist and a Social Democrat, There is a difference between a Syndicalist and a Trade unionist. All of these however are either socialist/marxist ideologies or a at the very least a compromise.

Which is all im saying :)

@Todd Hårig You asked "In which ways did the USSR democratize the economy for the proletariat?"

Its been fully answered. Youre just back peddling into "It wasnt REAL communism!" and ive already seen this song and dance. Very pretty essay though, congrats.

He's not locked up with them. They're locked up with him!

He's not locked up with them. They're locked up with him!

@LuBu4u And you still didn't read the whole article it seems. How about you go further down to the suppression of the political powers of the proletariat and any non-bolshevik parties?

Marxism was all about the dictatorship of the proletariat, often confused by a "dictatorship for the proletariat". It was also all about seizing the means of production from the owning class to the working class. Sure, the means of productions was seized, but it was never democratized and given to the people. Not that Marxism is the be all end all when it comes to Socialism but at the end of the day the Bolsheviks didn't allow for any political discourse outside of the accepted Bolshevik stances. Democratic socialists (the ones with the most popular support), anarchists, syndicalists, etc did not get to participate, the economy was not democratized.

I suggest you read up on the differences between Marxist-Leninism and Marxism. Socialism is a very confusing topic, especially if all you know about it is the 20th century states that were all born through bloodshed into a death struggle with the most powerful nation(s) on earth.

Socialism has a LOT of subcategories, most of them are democratic. Most "communist" states that have existed have still been state capitalist (another term i suggest you familiarize yourself with, the USSR and modern china are for instance accused of being state capitalist).

As to not go off topic here: My main argument from the start was that Marxism and the ideology of the USSR are not one and the same, they are not intertwined, they are not even similar in a lot of if not in most aspects. Hell, Marxism isnt' even a definitive ideology, its a set of ideas.

@Todd Hårig Soviet democracy, or council democracy, is a political system in which the rule of the population by directly elected soviets (Russian for "council") is exercised. The councils are directly responsible to their electors and bound by their instructions using delegate model of representation. Such an imperative mandate is in contrast to a free mandate, in which the elected delegates are only responsible to their conscience. Delegates may accordingly be dismissed from their post at any time or be voted out (recall).

In a soviet democracy, voters are organized in basic units, for example the workers of a company, the inhabitants of a district, or the soldiers of a barracks. They directly send the delegates as public functionaries, which act as legislators, government and courts in one. In contrast to earlier democracy models according to John Locke and Montesquieu, there is no separation of powers. The councils are elected on several levels: At the residential and business level, delegates are sent to the local councils in plenary assemblies. In turn, these can delegate members to the next level. The system of delegation continues to the Congress of Soviets at the state level.[1] The electoral processes thus take place from the bottom upwards. The levels are usually tied to administrative levels.[2]  Go away.

@LuBu4u I take it you never read that article? In your own words, how did USSR citizens, the proletariat excersice their power, how did the "dictatorship of the proletariat" work in the USSR?

I mean if this was meant as a counter argument it sure speaks more for my point than it does yours.

Fun side note: Socialist republican party (Democratic socialist basically) won over the Bolsheviks in the National Assembly, the Bolsheviks didn't care and seized power.

The Bolsheviks did not gain power by popular support, they did not work for or fight for the people, they were never truly a socialist/communist party and the "War communism" that shaped their later rule was in theory supposed to be later dropped in favour of abolishing the state entirely, but i don't think anyone bought this.

@HolyMith for sure man! The murder was definitely racially charged imo

@HolyMith for sure man! The murder was definitely racially charged imo

@Collin o MIssed this.

Don't remember what he said, he deleted his comment it seems?

Either way what you are saying is not exactly accurate, well in a sense.

The founders of the BLM organization do not speak for BLM the movement. The organization is not the movement.

Whatever, 9 month old comment, what does it matter?

@LuBu4u Mhm, very interesting. In which ways did the USSR democratize the economy for the proletariat? How did the proletariat exercise their political power?

@Todd Hårig Random, no the USSR was the biggest country and economy that implemented marxism. it lasted 77 years and it was a failed experiment for a lot of reasons.

While marxism is german in origin its biggest success was being full implemented by the Russians in 1917. It is very much tied to the USSR as this philosophy would be nothing more than a footnote without it. You most likely would not know about this idea if it werent for this event unless youre also well versed in esoteric philosphy of the 19th century.
While different, and a much lesser idea, Hamburgers are distinctly american, however the meal originated, and is a german meal.

Hope this helped!

@Wanda Rose as a rule us men love our submissive women..

@Wanda Rose as a rule us men love our submissive women..

@HolyMith I guess you were a little too embarrassed about that silly response about doctors and nurses getting more protection than police do to respond.  I don't blame you that was one of the dumbest things I've read in the last year.  And do me a favor point me to a single Facebook page that tells us to thank every highway maintenance worker for their heroic service to our public safety.  Then your point about the only reason people need to give cops gratitude is because of their public service and heroism and not simply because they're authority figures with guns who keep us "safe"

@HolyMith and also your comparison that nurses and doctors get protection that police don't is just silly especially considering the events of the past year.  More nurses and doctors have died in the last year doing their jobs than cops have died in the last 20 years doing theirs.  For you to say I'm the one not being objective is kind of ironic.  I'm the one who treats everyone equally I don't give anyone the benefit of the doubt just because of the job they do.  People deserve respect not job titles.  That respect must always be earned...individually.  I have known far too many criminals who wear a badge to just give blanket respect to the profession.  and I can assure you those criminals didn't get into the job because they wanted to help people.  It's because they wanted to commit crimes with impunity while also being adored by their community.

@HolyMith if the only reason why you bow in the presence of law enforcement and military officers is because they keep the public safe then I would ask you why you don't feel the same way about highway maintenance workers?  Where's all the love for the guys in reflective tape?  they die on the job at about five times the rate of police officers or military.  The only goal of their job is to keep citizens safe through the proper maintenance of roads and highways.  Yet I've never seen a single "back to the boys in blue" type adulation for these guys.  and the only reason that is if because they don't carry guns and tell" those people" their place. And again I'll remind you that it is their job to keep the public safe.  That's exactly what they get paid to do. Cops aren't working the beat  because they just want everyone to be safe.  That's a silly straw man argument that needs to die.  They're doing a job that they get paid extremely handsomely to do.  Yet you only feel the need to deify one and not the other.  The only reason for that is because cops are authority figures and highway maintenance workers are not.  It's pure authoritarian worship.

@S You're not being objective about this at all. Health and safety workers, nurses, doctors etc have excellent protective measures but there's only so much you can do against a bullet. It's a false comparison I'm afraid. And need I again remind you that police and military deserve your respect for putting themselves in potential danger for the upholding of your own safety and interests. I didn't say you should treat them like saints, but their jobs are extremely important and sometimes dangerous so a little gratitude is appropriate. Whether people deify or vilify them more often is a matter of perception, but you shouldn't fall victim to selection bias. The media jumps all over controversial cases because they want sensationalism. You don't hear about all the times cops save someone's ass.

Live 45 years in peace, kill ONE 17 year old unarmed kid and now they call you an animal. Society, amirite? smh

@HolyMith I guarantee you don't thank your local restaurant health inspector for keeping you safe....or nurses and doctors or any of the other professions dedicated to public safety.  And the reason is those professions aren't authority figures.  A good pct if all populations have authoritarian boot lickers, who just need a strong daddy to worship

@HolyMith I see a whole lot more blue stripe license plates than I do BLM license plates.  Your idea that most people want to vilify cops is something you've made up in your mind.  constant victimhood ideology is also a sign of creeping authoritarian government.  Cops aren't victims and they aren't heroes and they don't deserve any more gratitude than anyone else who does a job for a living.  they don't even rank in the top 20 of most dangerous jobs so I'm not sure why we should all be bending over backwards to genuflect in their presence

@S there's a big difference between respect and gratitude and deification. People who are willing to risk harm or death in order to protect the country deserve your respect and gratitude. Are there bad eggs who are in it for the wrong reasons? Sure. But I'm afraid the demand far outweighs the supply in that regard. People want to vilify them more often than they want to deify them.

@HolyMith people aren't blaming cops who are out there simply trying to do their job.  People are blaming the cops that think exactly like this guy does and get to actually commit murders and hide behind their badge.  Cops are just people doing a job. They aren't heroes because they wear a uniform.  The deification of law enforcement and military personnel in this country is a sign of creeping authoritarianism.  It happens in all countries that are heading the wrong direction.

@Louisiana Ben Franklin and UNO where i got my music and history degree.

Im willing to bet $$$ you dont know the definition of socialism or why 1956 is significant.

@HolyMith there are plenty of cops who act like this. See the killers of : Tamir Rice, Breonna Taylor, Philando Castille, George Floyd, Atatiana Jefferson and on and on and on and on....

The cops job is make sure the SUSPECT sees their day in court. Not to judge and execute them for potential crimes.

He’s obviously a racist so he’s prolly more worried abt the color of their skin

@Louisiana ??? What are you trying to say? They had no prior criminal record at all, no weapons or drugs in the car....they were literally just sitting in a parking lot listening to music.

@HolyMith I appreciate this comment. There is a LOT more to it than cops just doing their jobs BUT yes, I can side with you. As a person with 3 best friends as cops, I can of course tell you about good and bad cops. Screaming at a cop is just stupid because SCREAMING AT A HUMAN WITH A GUN, just isnt smart period. LOL

@Black Sheep Nomad Marxism a nice idea?  What school did you go to?

@Black Sheep Nomad Marxism a nice idea?  What school did you go to?

Wow! These are young teenager enjoying their music! This guy is fractions!  This man is in his own world! Everything is about him...he is a dangerous character!  Why didn't he move? This world does not relvove around him only! This female is a yes man- woman!  Q1 I

The fundamentals of Marxist are actually really good. Sad thing is anytime you've ever had them implemented onto a society it totally goes to shit. Nice idea but we've never seen it put properly into practice on a large scale of a country

@Todd Hårig he never said Marxism was tied to the USSR. He stated they are using the same tactics used by the Bolsheviks<br>The founders of BLM have stated they are open Marxists

@Todd Hårig he never said Marxism was tied to the USSR. He stated they are using the same tactics used by the Bolsheviks
The founders of BLM have stated they are open Marxists

I know what he meant by "animals". He was scared that when he went to prison, it would get out that he murdered a black teenager, and that they would fuck him up. He viewed them as animals. He hates 'that' music. He chose to get into a confrontation with a group of black teenagers over it. It doesn't take a genius to see what happened here. All I wish for America is that people would point their hatred towards the actual racist fucks like this, instead of screaming about cops simply doing their jobs.

Vegetable, mineral or animal...and guess which one we are.

Vegetable, mineral or animal...and guess which one we are.

@Susan Victoria shhhh, thinking makes his head hurt

@Susan Victoria shhhh, thinking makes his head hurt

Biff Tannen, Esq. how can you tell someone to stop commenting in a comment section 😂


He cant even lie well... "i thought they had a shotgun" is the dumbest lie... shotguns are really big... he would have done better trying to say he thought a cell phone was a handgun... no one imagines a whole a$$ shotgun 🤦♀


Justice was served , he is where he belongs.


"You would be likely more concerned with being shot with a shotgun, as opposed to having your ear bitten off" - Best quote ever


Wow the editing for the timeline of events splicing all the different witnesses! Very nice<br>Edit: Also I really wonder what song was playing

Wow the editing for the timeline of events splicing all the different witnesses! Very nice
Edit: Also I really wonder what song was playing


Sometimes you look at a person, and then you listen to them, and you wonder how they made it to 45 years old.

I have watched the lengthy interview with DUNN'S neighbors.
They shed tons of knowledge onto this ENTIRE investigation.
Their interviews explain a lot about DUNN'S former behaviors.

There's no way that man is 45... He looks at least 58 my God

He is 3 years younger than me, but he looks 20 years older than me. Evil eats away at a person until they look awful 😕

I am very amused at how fast this thread went from wondering how folks make it through life to "Fuck John Caulfield"

Or how they managed to set an alarm, and tie their shoes. And leave the house.

@Bill Lumbergh the odds are that that person is not someone who killed a minor in cold blood.  you can also be a software dev and not have a high IQ.  furthermore, IQ is a measure of how much you CAN learn, not how much you HAVE learned.  having the potential to become intelligent and actually being intelligent are not the same thing.

@John Caulfield Of course not. That doesn't change the fact that political views don't apply here. Stop bringing it where it doesn't belong.

He probably has an IQ double that of yours. He's a software dev, what are you?

@John Caulfield Look, I understand you want to support Trump..But stop making your crowd look so bad. Not everything is Trump or political. People like you remind me of those that mention gender and race ad nauseam.

@John Caulfield it's so weak to immidiately taint someones derived actions as political. You don't know that we only know he is fucked up in the head regardless of his political views.

@John Caulfield Uh yea except Trump wasn't even a presidential candidate at the time..good one.

@Phil Porter and then you wonder how they look like that at 45..


If only this could have been prevented by like, I don’t know, not allowing any drunk bozo with a short temper to own a firearm. People will shoot eachother over a candybar. But freedom above all, right? God bless America.


the part that i think about the most is the witness. “heard the loud music, didn’t want to deal with it.” its that simple. michael could have just minded his own business, put up with the music for a few minutes, and went on his way. instead, he chose to murder a teenage boy. my heart breaks for the 3 other boys, who had to witness their friend being killed. rest in peace jordan davis.


Thank God the driver in the SUV was quick to move the vehicle and saved most of the inhabitants of the vehicle.  All because of a hot headed drunk.


Mike would be the kind of guy who’d yell at a kid for being excited that he caught a toy in the Walmart claw machine, but he’s in prison so…