He was just 17 man, coming back from the mall. Probably thinking about fun things like what to wear prom and graduation. I can't count how many times I've been just like these kids at their age and played music stupidly loud with my friends while doing snack runs at convenience stores or gas stations. It breaks my heart that he isn't here because of a deranged trigger-happy racist loser. Rest in peace Jordan. I pray for continual healing for the family and friends.

So sad to think about the fact that he was about to graduate.

So sad to think about the fact that he was about to graduate.

@_rhea.b_ I feel like the fact you felt you had to criticize the teens behavior in this situation that is so serious, that you thought that was the right thing to add to the conversation, is beyond disrespectful and tone deaf. In another conversation less serious than this one, sure criticize how teens are today but something as small as being rowdy ended a young persons life, they didn't get to go to prom, go to college, get married ,get kids. You cared more about bringing up how they acted then how their live was impacted. I as a teen myself am apauled that you would be, as an adult, so insensitive.

He should have minded his business but if he wasn't a fast draw, he'd be dead.

He should have minded his business but if he wasn't a fast draw, he'd be dead.

Exactly wouldn’t bother me a bit & if it do then just move. These ppl think they run the world

@Ryuk oh my God, how racist does someone have to be before you would see it?

@Ryuk oh my God, how racist does someone have to be before you would see it?

@_rhea.b_ Who said I was black? I’m just saying that it’s extremely weird to be bashing children for playing music, when these same children died because of a racist. You’d think the racist child murderer would be more deserving of all these comments, but apparently not to you, you feel the need to shine the light on the horrible actions of these savage teenagers, who played music in a car at a higher decibel than what Supreme Lord Mike Dunn seemed fit.

@Devs lol I’m convinced that no one in these comments can read. Criticising their actions is not “bashing”, it’s pointing out flaws in their behaviour. “Listening to music in public”. They don’t own that land, they can’t just play their music as loud as they like with no regard for anyone else in the vicinity. If you think that’s ok then you weren’t raised properly either.

@_rhea.b_ Then you wouldn’t be bashing a black 17 year old for listening to music in public, especially one who was murdered by someone who frequently expressed his disdain for black people. Let me ask you, do you interact with people often? Do you have a hard time navigating social situations?

@Jd M yes and if you could read, you’d notice I said that the behaviour on BOTH sides was appalling, obviously more so this guy’s behaviour. But that doesn’t negate the fact that those kids were wrong for their behaviour as well. Just because one person’s behaviour is heinous, doesn’t mean that the other side should be exempt from criticism

@_rhea.b_ if we're talking about people whose parents clearly failed them, how about the guy who shot up a car full of kids? who's more selfish and entitled, people playing their radio too loud or someone who kills over music they only have to hear for like five minutes, tops?

Dudes definitely don't think about what we're going to wear to prom wtf😂😂

Dudes definitely don't think about what we're going to wear to prom wtf😂😂

@_rhea.b_ There was only one teen who made a wise comment. If you're going to shame everyone for not agreeing with you, get your facts straight and act your age. Your age and your upbringing are no excuse for being rude and disrespectful.

@_rhea.b_ What's your excuse? Shaming people knowing a young innocent teen was gunned down for having a wise mouth. And "are you illiterate" is not a good comment either. If you're deliberately trying to piss people off with your rude unsolicited statements, you've succeeded.  Congrats

@Ryuk no, it sounds like you got the full picture the first time. You nailed it.

Dude definitely over reacted, but thanks to “the right to bear arms”, a life was lost — thankfully to the driver’s lightning quick reaction, more lives weren’t lost.

@TheGeekDotCom bruh. even if you take away the "rich" aspect he wouldn't have done it.

@Shoujo Magic I thought it was obvious! that guy was one of the sickest racists I've ever seen and it goes without saying!

@_rhea.b_ minding your own business is what would be ideal in these situations, strangers don't owe one to adhere to your standards thats the thing we're billions and all diverse in thought and so never sweat small stuff. Minding his business and not get worked up about normal teenager behaviour would ensure a happier life. He is the thug, there's nothing civilized or mature about how he interacted with them. I did things like playing loud music as a teen and it has no bearing to parents, teenagers behave differently when parents aren't around but the most import lesson is HE SHOULD HABE PARKED FURTHER IF IT BOTHERED HIM SO MUCH AND WENT ABOUT HIS OWN BUSINESS

Agreed- these KIDS didn’t do anything wrong IMO but there’s people in society who are bat shit crazy. That’s why you can’t honk, can’t say anything to a stranger you just can’t. You never know.

BRO I feel like I am still a baby and I'm almost 20. 17?? that was a baby!

BRO I feel like I am still a baby and I'm almost 20. 17?? that was a baby!

@happynappyable “different lifestyles and opinions”. Being civilised and respectful and polite isn’t a different lifestyle or opinion, it’s what you expect from people in society. Clearly what this guy did was definitely not civilised either, but the fact he asked them to turn it down and they were purposely being confrontational, means that their parents didn’t teach them properly. Simple.

I blast my music really loud with the windows down all the time, with or without my friends and no one has ever shown that they were bothered by it (they may have been, I don’t know). It’s normal as a young person having fun to do that kind of stuff. It’s so disgusting that just because of someone’s skin color they are automatically judged as being dangerous or lesser when acting normal.

@Rhea Bastian  So, you think it's ok to shoot and kill people for being annoying?

@_rhea.b_ there’s billions of people on this earth . We have to learn to coexist so if someone is doing something like playing loud music I park further from them cause I’m a cranky old geezer . I can’t dictate to them what to do with the music in their car. Our paths will only cross for a few seconds. Same with many other things that are minor inconveniences cause of different lifestyles and opinions etc . Live and let live .  I have a pet peeve at people that spit in the street but I don’t go tap them on the shoulder and tell them to pick it up . It gets on my nerves but it’s cause I hate littering and spitting etc but another person has different values etc

The fact they’re young is no excuse for being entitled and selfish and bratty. Their parents clearly didn’t raise them properly. Shooting them was unjustified and abhorrent and shocking, but I’m sick of people using “they’re young” to excuse bad behaviour.

Mr. Dunn is on the receiving end of the Booty Bandit Welcome Wagon. I take solace in that.

remember even though he was racist not all white people are racist and reverse racism is fake its just normal racism as racism means descrimination of any race. in the story him having a more negative bias is racist for them being black which means hes racist but same can apply to somone doing that because there white.

example: somone shoots white guy for being white

thats descrimination becuase there white and racist.
(just like guy in story for black people)

@Victor Jimenez he abused them and even put a gun to the head of one of them.

@Victor Jimenez he abused them and even put a gun to the head of one of them.

@Ryuk I have to agree with the commenter. I am not one to just lightly throw labels around, but this guy Dunn is a racist, and not even a covert one. His bigger issue is his ego. The racism could <b>potentially</b> be corrected through education & actually expanding his mind, but his ego & narcissistic arrogance are likely only going to get worse the more he convinces himself (& attempts to convince others) that he is a victim being relentlessly persecuted by society. His own inability to hide his disdain for the victim(s) during the trial while on the stand is what I think put the final nail in his coffin & ultimately got the bastard convicted.

@Ryuk I have to agree with the commenter. I am not one to just lightly throw labels around, but this guy Dunn is a racist, and not even a covert one. His bigger issue is his ego. The racism could *potentially* be corrected through education & actually expanding his mind, but his ego & narcissistic arrogance are likely only going to get worse the more he convinces himself (& attempts to convince others) that he is a victim being relentlessly persecuted by society. His own inability to hide his disdain for the victim(s) during the trial while on the stand is what I think put the final nail in his coffin & ultimately got the bastard convicted.

He clearly is, at best, a narcissist but more likely a psychopath. It's so easy to see when he talks about losing his expensive BnB, being proud of his fast draw, and seeing he was the "Victor". Saying that the kid is 17 mean absolutely nothing to him. His conscience is so very comfortable and guilt is something he never felt.<br>BTW black interrogator... Nice touch! Right where it hurts.

He clearly is, at best, a narcissist but more likely a psychopath. It's so easy to see when he talks about losing his expensive BnB, being proud of his fast draw, and seeing he was the "Victor". Saying that the kid is 17 mean absolutely nothing to him. His conscience is so very comfortable and guilt is something he never felt.
BTW black interrogator... Nice touch! Right where it hurts.

Oh God yes, I still love to tune up my radio and sing my lungs out. Don't want to die cause I love my Playlist...

I thought the exact same thing... that was me at 16 with my best friends and honestly we still do the same thing now when everyone is home from school. We’re going on 22. I can’t even imagine - my heart breaks for Jordan and his family.

Or he would become fentinol hero like goerge

Or he would become fentinol hero like goerge

@Shoujo Magic I 100% believe if they were rich white kids he wouldn’t have made all those wild assumptions that they were violent thugs eager to kill him because he asked them to turn the music down.. from the moment she said he pulled up and said I hate this thug music I knew he was racist the way she said he said  it gave me  bad vibes

All Jordan was thinking about was getting some gum so that his breath didn't stink when he went back to the mall with Leland and Tevin. They were meeting up with Jordan's gf and her friends.

Did you hear about what he did to his exes?

Did you hear about what he did to his exes?

There are letters to this insanity? Jeez

There are letters to this insanity? Jeez

@Ryuk Ya bro I think this guy has a big problem with black people.  Seems like he has more than just ignorance and prejudice in his mind, but also maybe hatred or at least indifference in his heart too.  Normal people don’t kill children and then cry because they can’t bring the new puppy to jail.

That's a stereotypical racist generalization for assuming his sexual assignment and preferences.

@Shoujo Magic  he is definitely violent and predjudiced, and i will have to go read the letters. Maybe i did not get the full picture from this video alone. Probably because the video did not bring race up very much, and focused more on narccissistic behavior, I didnt think race played that big of a part. sorry if i came off a little harsh!


I don't wanna lose my freedom. Michael, Jordan Davis lost his freedom that night. Enjoy prison


They were children.. They were children!  God damn it..they were just kids..


They had just drove????? They had just DRIVEN!!!


Cars have become the new coffins! This shi is so damn sad son. Those kids were just minding their business its not like they were sitting outside of his home with the music up. Dont ask me to turn my music down if your not paying this car note/insurance  although i personally have common courtesy  but he had no rights from jump!! He reacted purely out of hate for our people,im so glad his wife has a different heart its almost unbelievable they were an item watching her take the stand against him but now he can enjoy folks that look like me every single day now hell he may even have to sleep next to one of us every single night in his cellblock/dorm now thats karma mr racist 💯


If there were no cameras and so many witnesses the police would have probably believed the guy shot in self defense. BET


At 45.30 I would be saying I have nothing more to say I want a lawyer. Why do they not used their rights and ask for a lawyer straight away? I think I know why. It is because they watched too many crime dramas where the person who asks for a lawyer is always the guilty party. It has been drummed into their heads that innocent people don't lawyer up. And this is why innocent people end up spending years and decades in prison convicted for a crime they didn't commit because they talked to police during an interview and they ended up having their words twisted and used against them. We all know witness testimony is unreliable at best and that we misremember things and order of events. The brain will even fill in gaps with memories that didn't happen.

Not saying the guy is innocent. He is clearly guilty of murder.

In cases that involve narcissists, like this guy, they believe they can talk their way out of it.


this guy talks like toby from the office 😭 drives me insane


What the fuck did he think was going to happen? Seriously some people really have no capacity for long term consideration, which is the reason so many people are miserable.


One of my favorite traditions is watching JCS while snuggled up in bed with nice food. The commentary is just phenomenal and often points out the absurdity of the offenders' explanations, which just makes an otherwise disturbing cases more interesting and entertaining to watch. Have never missed one video!

A comfy bed is a good safe place to observe and analyze the worst of humanity from for sure

I’m in bed with coffee and croissants right now Saturday morning. Haha. I love this channel.

The narrator's name is Kizzume, you should definitely check out his YouTube channel too because he's got great content as well :)

@Devoured Death only JIm as allowed to use such rediculous words.

Similar here. It’s relaxing and enthralling.


Lying in front of court to the family of that poor kid...


Only the engine block of a car provides any defence against bullets, doors are like tin foil


I went to school with Jordan. I can’t begin to explain how infuriating that interrogation was. He really thought he was a hero…

I'm so sorry for your loss, he should've lived a long healthy life :(

So sorry for the trauma. This is a sad situation.

So sorry brother. It's crazy when someone you have seen at school or in your life who unjustly loses their life to narcissists like this creature here.

@Non Ya Mike Dunn in prison instead of getting manipulated & used by his fiance.

My condolences sir even if it's late.....

I pray that his family is doing well . I know that they must miss their baby ❤❤

Deepest condolences for his loved ones 🙏🏼❤

@Melonie Ndebele or he could have chosen to go to the NEXT gas station if the music bothered him so much…he didn’t have to stop at that one. This guy gets what he deserves in prison.

@will bill I feel very sorry for anyone that thinks music is "bad for the soul" as you say it.

As for the trolls that clearly didn’t watch the whole video and are defending my friend’s murderer:

 32:00 how can you make a threatening advance from inside the vehicle?

36:15 not one kid in that car had any type of record, especially Jordan..

Thank you all for your kind words and positivity. Jordan was a popular guy back in school and it shocked all of us to find out on the news what happened to him. We’re all glad he got the justice he deserved.

@Maximum I believe the video. The guy clearly walked up to him with bad intentions 🤷♂🤷♂🤷♂

Looks like they had it coming. Advancing and threatening? You get what you deserve.

@Papi Mew acted tough? You mean to tell me you actually believe anything the guy in this video says? Did you also know the word gullible is written on the ceiling?

@Maximum no ones trying to be cool or edgy. Just pointing out the obvious 🤷♂

sorry for your loss bro. Sending love to you and everyone affected. May he rest in power.

@Maximum you should think again about what you just said,music is a torture to the soul my friend,but I do agree it ain't worth killing over.

He doesn't think he's a hero he's was thinking murder

@SeanRaw_ So sorry for the loss of this young man. You’re right the interview and his jail calls to the wife are absolutely disgusting. This guy thinks he’s Batman for murdering a kid who’s music was too loud. I hope Jordan’s family is getting on the best as we can expect them to after this.

@Tony Arcieri No music, no matter how crass, no matter what the content is, has the capability to turn anyone into anything. Rap doesn’t create criminals, nor does Weird Al turn me into a comedian.

i hope his family and friends eventually found comfort and peace 💖

im so sorry for your loss and your communities loss💔

@Tim Stout dont bother. Tony posts a ton of 💩 on this channel and elsewhere

All perps think they are the hero until they are numb to it.
It is an illusion that protects them from the reality of what happened.

I am sorry you went through what you did, Sean. <3

Jordan gets resurrected some day and it's going to be amazing! His friendship isn't gone just because of this.

These young kids out enjoying their day and enjoying their music get shot at TEN times and you blame it on the music???

@Tony Arcieri how can you begin to blame any of this terrible situation on music?

Hip hop destroys black lives in so many ways, it’s infuriating.

@Melonie Ndebele true and he instantly calls these kids thugs!

I'm sorry for your loss. There's a hidden racist element to this guy<br>A gas station trip literally lasts 5 min max. All he had to do was bear the music for 5 min

I'm sorry for your loss. There's a hidden racist element to this guy
A gas station trip literally lasts 5 min max. All he had to do was bear the music for 5 min

@SeanRaw_ damn bruh, sorry for your loss.

@SeanRaw_ damn bruh, sorry for your loss.

I'm so sorry for your loss, may he rest in peace. Blessed Be

@Tampa Supreme we were in the same grade so he’d be 25-26 now


Another guy who obviously wishes he was a commando saw some young kids jamming out in the parking lot while he’s feeling buzzed decided he was going to have target practice on the poor innocent kids boy I hope he gets his in jail prison whatever it is


40:20 "All these things you're saying are great, but..." Wut 😂


Just curious why she's blurred out in the interview, when we already saw her on the stand.

@The Penster That's my assumption, too, but thought maybe there was an 'outside the box' explaination.


I dont believe what the killer said. The other guys turn music so loud but the killer can gear all the words . Loud music n ur window up u can hear everything, tgat xar music loud before u park next to them so u just want to show them u r the power one not the.  If he married his gf might be the victim one.


That woman is such a champ for not trying to cover for that POS.


He had his b- with him, they were frontin', the situation needed regulating he had to represent, yo


All this over someone playing loud  music. Ffs what is wrong with people.


Im still trying to figure out what a fiance is

When a couple is engaged they are referred to as eachothers finances until marriage

So basically when your past calling them your bf or gf but your not married yet


If it were 4 white kids blasting rock music he would have never demanded the music be turned down.. Hes a liar! Took a innocent 17yr old child life over music... anyone who truly believed they were thugs,  never would of pulled next to them and then asked them to turn the music down.. who tf are you to tell them


Definitely not the first time his trainer Jack Daniels was in his corner.


@Nessie112 I was terrified looking at his face!!!


YO JCS VIDEOS ARE GETTING PUT BACK UP FUCK YEAH WOOOO


30:00 waiting for the wink? It’s not a video game bro


It's remarkable that women ignore some many bad traits thinking they can change   them  Ihey  are already broken and unredemable


the way his eyebrows looks its sure his guilty anyway


J C. Are you coming back to us?  We miss you


He only had to sit in that car for a couple minutes and "endure" their music. Everything you need to know about him he said himself: he just wanted to shoot his gun, and was a racist. Rest in peace to that boy and I am sorry for the trauma inflicted on his surviving friends.

Why are you apologising for something you never done?

Why are you apologising for something you never done?

Don’t think he’s a racist, Just think he’s a lunatic

Don’t think he’s a racist, Just think he’s a lunatic

@Google User actually, he answered your question like multiple times but it’s easy to not see something you aren’t looking for or even accepting as a possibility I guess.

@Google User actually, he answered your question like multiple times but it’s easy to not see something you aren’t looking for or even accepting as a possibility I guess.

@Google User Glad I saw your playlists before you hid your content, you had tons of Country thug music, for example; a song literally with Meth Lab in its name haha

@Google User Glad I saw your playlists before you hid your content, you had tons of Country thug music, for example; a song literally with Meth Lab in its name haha

@Google User no, while i didn't read all of your comments i did see you say it was shitty and i was simply stating my opinion on the main argument here. in what way am i race baiting lol?

@SabotPottery lol you couldn't be more wrong about your statement. White privilege? What's that? The right to get off my ass and make an honest living working 60 hours a week for what I have and pay taxes? If THAT is white privilege, then yes, I have it. Sig is better than Glock, by the way.

@Alex Crowley If you watch the entire thing over again, you will find the type of music he was listening to is exactly as I stated before. By the way, just type in "thug music" into youtube - it's doesnt bring up the playlist for Sesame Street... You're a race baiter. Next!

Everyone who's white or that disagrees with me is racist

Everyone who's white or that disagrees with me is racist

@Google User plus he literally shows zero remorse at all i mean what more do you need? something is clearly wrong, i don't think it's a reach of a conclusion to come to that he might be racist.

@Admiral KipperYou can worry about both bud.

@Admiral KipperYou can worry about both bud.

@Google User Google user, if you don't think any of the interactions were racially charged, with such statements like "I hate that thug music" and other, then you are a peabrained lost cause, and you are beyond help.

@Google User why are you defending a murderer?

@Google User why are you defending a murderer?

@Google User And damn right I’ll call him racist. It doesn’t feel good to say it, it’s shameful that it has to be said.

@Google User And damn right I’ll call him racist. It doesn’t feel good to say it, it’s shameful that it has to be said.

@Alex Crowley Without facts, it sounds like you're profiling this man just because he was an older white man. That's racist. You're racist. Not because of any facts, but just because I feel like saying it because "it feels good" to say. That is what you people sound like.

@Google User you can commit racist acts without announcing to the world you are racist, ya donut

@Google User you can commit racist acts without announcing to the world you are racist, ya donut

@Google User I get the vibe he don’t like seasoned chicken and to be fair that kinda makes sense being old

@Google User I get the vibe he don’t like seasoned chicken and to be fair that kinda makes sense being old

@Admiral Kipper Racism, bigotry and having prejudices aren't illegal. It's not right, but it's not illegal. But this guy isn't a racist. He didn't single dude out because he was black. He singled him out because he thought his music was stupid and obnoxious. And I don't disagree with people blasting annoying ass rap music loud as hell being a pain in the ass. But he shouldn't have lashed out and then fabricated a story to cover up what he did. The fact that he didn't call 9-11 immediately after the fact, or after getting a block or so away shows he knew what he did was wrong.

@Melted dark chocolate racism isn’t a crime

@Melted dark chocolate racism isn’t a crime

finally someone said it. he was racist simple

finally someone said it. he was racist simple

@Google User he doesn't have to say he was racist or explicitly say he hates black people, because he saw a car full of black kids, assumed they were thugs and assumed they had guns with no proof, and murdered one of them. that's as racist as it gets

@Google User if you can't see the obvious racism in this case you're just blind

@Google User if you can't see the obvious racism in this case you're just blind

The racism is irrelevant, your free to not like people of you want, it’s the murder that’s the problem here

The racism is irrelevant, your free to not like people of you want, it’s the murder that’s the problem here

@Google User nah he was definitely internally racist. I see your perspective but it’s just an educated inference that he was in fact racist due to his diction and the way in which he described these children. Myself and multiple other people knew the race of the children before they were shown simply by the way he spoke of them. Because we are educated on how people of color are stereotyped as “thugs”. It’s a sad world. And you should be able to view that he was racially profiling these children. A little education goes a long way. Black lives will ALWAYS and have ALWAYS mattered. People like you just don’t realize how the system degrades people simply because of the color of their skin.

@Google User "Where is his statement of disliking black folk?"  His actions and behaviors speak louder than words.  I mean, in this interview look at his reaction the first time the black cop questions one of his comments....

Google User and then not being sorry about a seventeen year old child being dead? that would make sense because he’s a racist and he didn’t value his life in the first place.

Google User and then not being sorry about a seventeen year old child being dead? that would make sense because he’s a racist and he didn’t value his life in the first place.

Google User read my reply again you intellectual human being, he’s a teenager. that is how teenagers and as he puts it ‘KIDS’ would react. I don’t know if you have a normal household or what, but my 16 year old sister reacts the same when I tell her off and it is completely normal, they learn as they grow up. He called them savages because of HIS race, it’s a clear cut inference, man. Come on.

@pagundaa the thing was, he had already been charged when he was picked up at his home after running away.

@pagundaa the thing was, he had already been charged when he was picked up at his home after running away.

Google User Dude what? “How is he racist”. If I openly discriminate and hold prejudice against a certain race of people based solely of the color of their skin, but then I say “I’m not a racist”, does that mean I’m not racist?

Google User What did you wanted to hear him say? “I, Michael Dunn, hate blacks with all my being” That’s not how racism works buddy, you don’t need to explicitly say you hate someone, his actions speak for itself.

@Mikayla Brown I was simply going off what the guy said. How was I to know he was lying? I should have guessed as these interviews show you should never trust a cop, no matter the colour. He will pretend to be on your side to try make you incriminate yourself. Guilty or not.

You are now doing the very thing to me you accuse me of doing. Desperate to make me out to be a racist. Judging me without having full information.

David Kinsella no it’s not him lying it’s them doing whatever they can to get the truth you only feel this way because it’s a black officer had it been a white man you woulda said it’s his job.  You made a judgment off the kids after being ignorant and not getting the full information

@Mikayla Brown Yeah, I heard that later on. Now you are assuming I'm racist when I was just repeating what the black cop said. Maybe he was lying to the suspect. Cops have a bad habit of that no matter their colour it seems.

@Google User lol I find it hard to believe that if it was a bunch of cranky white grannies hard of hearing with loud music playing, and picking up their cane (a barrel!) saying they'd kill him for daring to demand that Sinatra's crooning be turned down because big band was too annoying for him... That he'd have reacted how he did. Or a bunch of young women. Call it what you want, a collection of ageism, sexism/gender bias, racism... Nothing about how that went down was normal at all. And his lack of remorse for the human victim, and his constant insistence that he thought he was under attack... I feel ya. But that's just a fact of what covert racism is like. It's undeniably a factor. None of them were the thugs he presumed. So at most we can assure he's prejudiced towards what he thinks thugs are... Apparently black young males with loud music and attitudes. He was blind at that point. Even admits not remembering the Durango moving. The word thugs is even very racially charged now. But yeah he didn't explicitly state it, and in fact denied it. I'm not saying it's even fully a conscious thing on his end. But he is prejudiced and unfeeling. And I strongly feel race plays a role.

@Flusterette He's still not an admitted or verifiable racist. At this point only he and God know the truth on that. But at face value, nobody can say if he did what he did as being racially motivated. He still shouldn't have done it.

@Dáithi O'Cinnsealach how could that be so if they even admitted these kids didn't have a criminal record or even issues in school just say you racist and move on to you KKK meeting

@Dáithi O'Cinnsealach how could that be so if they even admitted these kids didn't have a criminal record or even issues in school just say you racist and move on to you KKK meeting

@Google User covert racism is the cowardly prejudiced hateful issue at hand. It's not a defense to say they didn't explicitly bring it up, with that much prejudice and inappropriate response.

Did you hear what the black cop said? He believed they would have shot him of they had a gun. Even he admitted they were thugs. Sorry about your emotional drivel for these "children". Many of these "children" are tried by this same "justice" system as adults. And you'd be at the top screaming that it's right they do so I bet.

Google User do you go to a public restaurant ONE YOU DONT OWN and tel them to change the radio station cause you don’t like the music playing NO if you didn’t like it you’re best bet is to just leave. The restaurant isn’t at fault. Same with the young men who were in THEIR PROPERTY OF THEIR CAR.

@connie S So having a group of young males cussing you out because you asked them to turn down their loud/annoying music doesn't warrant an elevated perceived threat? Your threat level increases when there are multiples of potential assailants verbally attacking you. At that point, it is best to leave the area as quickly as possible and not to engage them. If they engage you violently, then by all means fight back. Which the suspect didn't exercise good judgment at that time, and it cost him his freedom and a 17 YOM's life. Totally stupid how both parties acted. This isn't a matter of race. This is a matter of two different parties acting completely stupid. If you cannot see it for what it really is, the problem cannot be addressed. It's easier to paint it with the broad brush of racism.

GanjiStyle he’s clearly not open-minded, there was literally no perceived threat there. Just because they were in a group doesn’t mean there’s a threat and if his brain works like that, he needs help before he does something irrational and ends up on this channel

Google User listen to the call where he was speaking to Rhonda and kept calling them violent, that’s racial profiling, you’re way in over your head if you think someone has to say I’m racist to be racist. And yeah, I get your point that not everyone wants to listen to whatever music it was that was playing, but it’s a public parking spot, you’re there for what, maybe 10-15mins tops, ‘enduring’ that for a short amount of time is going to have no affect on your life whatsoever. Not to mention, the kid who died was 17, and he was doing the talking back, if you know anything about teenagers, most teenagers don’t like being told what to do. Again, listen to the beginning of this video, what he said WAS racist.

@GanjiStyle They ran their mouths and got loud with him. I can see his perceived threat. Not to mention, there was more than one of them against him. But he fired his gun illegally. Still not clear cut and defined racism though. Just because it's white vs black doesn't mean it's racist. Not everybody wants to go to a convenient store and hear that loud annoying ass rap trash. I don't blame him for telling them to shut the hell up. But he shouldn't have started shooting given the circumstances.

@GanjiStyle Interesting. All he did was ask them to turn the music down, and THEY became confrontational.

@GanjiStyle Interesting. All he did was ask them to turn the music down, and THEY became confrontational.

@Google User He automatically saw them as a threat and thought they were "going to kill him". He saw them as a threat and even though HE provoked THEM, he was already thinking about his gun in his glove compartment as his "only choice" and was hyperaware of the kids in the back. He heard them say "fuck that bitch" and "fuck this and that" even though the kids didn't say that. He unloaded almost his entire clip even though they weren't even firing back or attacking him in any way. He heard that they wanted to kill him and instead of grabbing his fiance and leaving right away, he stayed and rolled his window down and asked "you talking to me?" Are you serious?? If he was scared, he would go inside and call the police or drive away and call his fiance to stay put in the store until he saw the kids left. Also, the way he glared at the black kids as they testified but then realized he had to control his facial expression and look remorseful, was just too evident. Also, why was he worried about his expensive breakfast? When I was almost shot at, I was shaken up for about 10 minutes. He was way too calm that entire time. He knew what he was doing. If you don't think this was racially motivated, you're blind or you're intentionally trying to be blind to it.

Racism is more often subtle , it doesn’t have to be clear cut. You take the totality of the evidence and use common sense. If you think only the people who call people the N word in front of the world are the only racist means that either you’re a fool.... or you think we are. Which is it?

@Darkness No, I do not think it's okay to kill anyone without just cause.

@Darkness No, I do not think it's okay to kill anyone without just cause.

pagundaa — His sense of entitlement is out of this world...... He really didn’t think he was in too much trouble. They way he would just shrug when they were giving him facts and logic. He was basically like “yeah yeah okay, whatever. I already said I was  scared so that should be the end of it”......

@Google User  you think its ok to kill someone under the age of 20

@Google User  you think its ok to kill someone under the age of 20

@Google User  I know what you're trying to say but apparently

@Google User  I know what you're trying to say but apparently

Google User my point is that you don’t need to have an actual statement/admission when the behaviour shows the obvious. But go off. Have a good day

Google User my point is that you don’t need to have an actual statement/admission when the behaviour shows the obvious. But go off. Have a good day

@pagundaa I'm sorry, where was he found in court "guilty of racism beyond a reasonable doubt" by his peers? He wasn't. Your point is moot. He was guilty of murder and serving life in prison for it. What more could you ask for?

@Google User and where is the statement of him saying he murdered the guy intentionally? There wasn’t one. He still got convicted because it’s too damn obvious. Idk what you’re trying to get at. If you can’t see the racism behind this, i don’t know what to tell you buddy.

@S People that call other people racist when racism wasn't brought up in the first place, or clearly defined in anyone's intentions... Is in fact a racist. So, hello little racists.

@S People that call other people racist when racism wasn't brought up in the first place, or clearly defined in anyone's intentions... Is in fact a racist. So, hello little racists.

@Google User you probs can't read my guy/gal

@Google User you probs can't read my guy/gal

Google User you’re probably racist too if you don’t think this guy is racist

Google User you’re probably racist too if you don’t think this guy is racist

@pagundaa You didn't answer the question. Again... Where is his clear cut racism? Where is his statement of disliking black folk?

@pagundaa You didn't answer the question. Again... Where is his clear cut racism? Where is his statement of disliking black folk?

@Google User 1. He assumed they are thugs. He even said 'i hate that thug music'. 2. He assumed they will 100% have a gun because of how they looked. 3. He assumed police will believe him because of his privilege, and was in full shock when he was told that this is now a murder case. He just cared about his bed and breakfast. 4. He assumed he will get killed for having a verbal altercation because of their appearance. <br>You don't have to say you hate blacks to be racist lol. Actions speak louder than words.

@Google User 1. He assumed they are thugs. He even said 'i hate that thug music'. 2. He assumed they will 100% have a gun because of how they looked. 3. He assumed police will believe him because of his privilege, and was in full shock when he was told that this is now a murder case. He just cared about his bed and breakfast. 4. He assumed he will get killed for having a verbal altercation because of their appearance.
You don't have to say you hate blacks to be racist lol. Actions speak louder than words.

Why was he racist? Did he say he hated blacks?

Why was he racist? Did he say he hated blacks?


To me music is not a problem if you're here in the words you know and maybe don't like the words but it's the woofers it's the base speakers that vibrate and boom into your brain these speakers these noise can cause people to have a seizures it causes anxiety it causes your heart rate to go up it's not funny.
To me the only purpose of having woofers in your car or best speakers the vibrate are exactly to annoy people or there's another scenario they're showing off to you know the guys are flexing their muscles I got bigger better louder speakers than you that's another one. I tell you listen to that long enough and interferes with your daily life it provokes you it it's very vexing.
Juss sayin 🙉🤯


This guys real problem is that he's such a poor shooter.


I feel bad for the victim/victims family/ and this poor woman who was this douche bags fiancé.


"What were you shooting at?"
"The rear passenger door."
"Why were you shooting there"
"To save my life"
"From the door?"
I love this detective LOL

"Hell if there was a water gun at the scene painted black...." lol

Windsor Ongchan if there wasn’t a life lost, I would feel better about laughing about that. The investigators are great.


I love how they use the white cop to get him comfortable enough to talk in the interrogation and the black cop to press him on the issues with his story. I feel so bad for the innocent 17 year old Jordan who got killed over some music. He’s so unremorseful it’s satisfying to see him give damning statements to this man. Glad he’s got life in prison, justice was served as much as it could be in this case

That black cop is ready to jump in and wants to rip him a new one, but these detectives know how to handle this.   You can’t see his face and can totally feel his emotion!

I also liked how the black cop wasn’t buying the bullshit. At a certain point, I was getting annoyed this guy seriously thought we’re all supposed to placate his delusions of inventing nonexistent shotgun barrels to justify shooting children. The black guy just straight up slaps him with “was it your imagination?”

At one point, the black cop just facepalms in complete awe... I’m sure he’s got kids of his own and it’s his worst nightmare.

The moment when the black cop <i>leans into the frame</i> to start questioning him is very satisfying.

The moment when the black cop _leans into the frame_ to start questioning him is very satisfying.

Agreed!  During Rhonda’s testimony I can tell that with each conflicting answer she gives against Dunn’s story she’ll never see the man that she loves again and with each one of her answers his conviction becomes stronger.  I feel bad for her because her life changed overnight but she’ll get over it.  Jordan’s family on the other hand I can’t imagine the pain, sorrow and anger that they must feel.  Justice was served but complete justice would include getting their son back.  Very sadly that’s impossible.  They will have to live with the loss of their son for the rest of their lives.  It’s so very sad.  Dunn however, he’s a remorseless piece of garbage and he’s exactly where he needs to be.

Yeah it's a horrible situation.  Truly, he showed no remorse or concern for the victim or the other kids he almost killed.   I also feel bad for Jordan's family, he was brutally killed for no good reason.


I can't even imagine starting a argument over loud music in a place where I will most likely spend 5 minutes or less. <br>It seems like he was just in a mood for trouble so he found it

I can't even imagine starting a argument over loud music in a place where I will most likely spend 5 minutes or less.
It seems like he was just in a mood for trouble so he found it

True. Your son just got married, you had a couple drinks, your headed home to your puppy with your fiancé for a nice night. Why not just let someone enjoy their music and go on with your night?

What a pointless argument, it’s basically the copy paste of every road rage attacks. I mean I don’t like loud music, especially hip hop, but I will never get in argument about something so pointless and so related to my perception. If I’m waiting for the green at the traffic light, with my windows all rolled down because it’s hot, and someone’s near or back of my car, doesn’t like rock or metal music there’s no argument, if the people are there in the queue waiting for the green, because everyone is focused on getting the green light and go by their own way. I use normal volume otherwise, I can’t hear outside noises while driving, which is dangerous. If I have a migraine and someone is listening to music in a parking lot, I’m not even bothering to go to complain to the people in the car, I will buy the things that I need in the shop and then drive away, simple as that.
If someone is searching for trouble to take out its own personal and behavioral problems, deciding to vent out the rage violently, there’s no logical need of a specific situation, every insignificant moment is a possibility to vent out, and having the adrenaline rush by using violence, no reason is needed to start this behavior. The individual is just a time bomb waiting to explode on something/someone at random.

What a pointless argument, it’s basically the copy paste of every road rage attacks. I mean I don’t like loud music, especially hip hop, but I will never get in argument about something so pointless and so related to my perception. If I’m waiting for the green at the traffic light, with my windows all rolled down because it’s hot, and someone’s near or back of my car, doesn’t like rock or metal music there’s no argument, if the people are there in the queue waiting for the green, because everyone is focused on getting the green light and go by their own way. I use normal volume otherwise, I can’t hear outside noises while driving, which is dangerous. If I have a migraine and someone is listening to music in a parking lot, I’m not even bothering to go to complain to the people in the car, I will buy the things that I need in the shop and then drive away, simple as that.
*If someone is searching for trouble to take out its own personal and behavioral problems, deciding to vent out the rage violently, there’s no logical need of a specific situation, every insignificant moment is a possibility to vent out, and having the adrenaline rush by using violence, no reason is needed to start this behavior. The individual is just a time bomb waiting to explode on something/someone at random.*

and he was under the influence of alcohol

no question. he was the instigator. his baby voice when talking to the inspectors was sickening and i know they saw right through it

Rich - yep. His son probably didn’t even want him at the wedding (notice he never spoke in defense of his dad), and at the event dunn observed his ex with a new and better man than he, which triggered his fragile ego. He left the wedding early ‘cause he was in an emotional rage, and he took it out on the poor kids within minutes.

Octoboobs exactly!!!! You gonna be there for a hot sec...it ain’t like it’s the upstairs neighbor! He wanted to be a tough guy!! I hope he got that same energy in prison! 🤣🤣😩😩🤣🤣🤣

reminds me of nearly every road rage gone wrong I have ever heard or seen.


he keeps saying "in my mind" when describing his side of the events. he's right. his side is completely his imagination.

Tj Mckenzie did he really think that? I don’t think so.

That is a great point.  I really think he believes he did nothing wrong.  His life was NEVER in danger but he still believes it was.


I can't imagine the kind of hate that prompts you to shoot a group of teenagers you don't know because you don't like their music. Also on your kid's wedding day? He seriously could have just dealt with it until one of them left the parking lot in like two minutes. Then he still has the confidence to brag about it and call himself the victim. He shot at them TEN TIMES. Over MUSIC. I'm speechless. This is ridiculous.

@TheFangirlOtaku no disagreement here from me. The guy was on whisky and angry and stupid. But if you go around poking your head in a bears den looking for trouble it will find you. Every teenager should be wary of being so brave around people they don't know. They need to be educated by their parents.

Okay, there seems to be a misunderstanding here. I know there was a vocal altercation. The whole thing was started by the music, and the argument was inconsequential. He still shouldn't have shot. Also, teens are stupid. I know a ton of people who play their music too loud and get offended when you ask them to turn it down. They don't get shot at because shooting at someone over that is ridiculous. I'm not saying it's cool to blast your music and argue with people, just that nobody deserves to be shot over it.

When you were 16 did you ever threaten some guy you didn't know because he didn't like your loud music? You didn't, because you had respect for other people and you knew there was crazy people around like this old man that could pull a gun and do something stupid. So you didn't play stupid games to win stupid prizes6

@Rick Justus Or just go into the store with your fiancé


When she said "we need to go home NOW" SHE became an ACCOMPLICE!!!!


How devastating for his Fiancee Rhonda. She seems like a genuinely sweet and kind woman

How devastating for his Fiancee Rhonda. She seems like a genuinely sweet and kind woman

@Chris Whalley Well I certainly agree with that, sir.

@Chris Whalley Well I certainly agree with that, sir.

Blue Azure, I don’t disagree with that but there’s a lot off about a lot of people who aren’t criminals

Blue Azure, which part of my assessment did you disagree with?

Blue Azure, which part of my assessment did you disagree with?

@Chris Whalley I don't care what you say man, something is off about that lady.

@Chris Whalley I don't care what you say man, something is off about that lady.

Blue Azure, yup, it helps if you’re actually trained in criminal psychology

Blue Azure, yup, it helps if you’re actually trained in criminal psychology

@Chris Whalley <b>calls people armchair psychologists*... *armchair psychologizes</b>

@Chris Whalley *calls people armchair psychologists*... *armchair psychologizes*

All the armchair psychologists throwing Rhonda under the bus are telling quite an interesting story, too bad it doesn’t fit with the facts.  Go back and listen to the call in the intro, she clearly doesn’t agree with him and tries to shut down the conversation when he goes on and on about himself being the victim.  She tells the truth to the cops even when she realizes it’s bad for him.  She wasn’t even with him when the shooting went down and she didn’t see it from inside the store, WTF is she supposed to do when the person she planned to spend the rest of her life lies to her about the details.  The one thing I think she could have done different is to call the cops immediately but, then again, she trusted the word of her fiancé in the absence seeing the altercation herself. All this nonsense about her being complicit is a bunch of baloney.  This guy is a total jerk, a liar, and a murderer but that doesn’t automatically make her bad too, it just means she made a bad choice in partners which all us (myself included) have done once or twice.

Jorge Peleteiro not really
Man- no high horse here. See that’s a problem
With having a constantly suspicious Perception.
 Peace

Yeah she told the truth, but the way she was this quivering mess set my bullshit detectors off. I don't think she felt nearly as bad as she portrays. I think she felt 'inconvenienced' and doesn't want to be perceived negatively by the public.

@Rob Banks The same could be said of your argument, perception!. I'm sure you also question people's motives and intentions  on a daily basis based on the way they communicate and emote their feelings... it's only human nature!. You just choose to ride the fence in this case and take the opportunity to lecture from a high horse.

@Mike739107 what do you mean by "dog whistles"? who are you referring to?

@Mike739107 what do you mean by "dog whistles"? who are you referring to?

Nah! She knew what was going on and was playing dumb to walk free and live her life being the naive something.

Come on, there is NO excuse for not calling the cops. What he did was evil. And neither of them gave a damn if people were killed. Despicable

Brittany L. Coley ——-‘Brave enough to tell the truth’?? She saw those guys shot & because of the ‘look’ her fiancée gives her, she doesn’t call 911, she doesn’t stay to help......she has to get to her puppy. Any NORMAL person wouldn’t get in the car after that trauma, worrying about a puppy. Rhonda lived w/this but, which means she’s twisted in the same way but her ‘acting out’ is passive.

@Koke Garcia and  Cait L.   Can you guys enlighten me on something, please?  Why is it that the only folks who ever hear these alleged "dog whistles" are the people who purport to be anti-racist?  Really makes you think.  🤔

@Nobody Matters way to true I should know my mother is one

@Nobody Matters way to true I should know my mother is one

Felt terrible for her.  And of course the victim and his friends.  I always tell my son to be careful in public, because you never know who's unhinged and who isn't.

But yes, this scumbag destroyed several lives that day.

@Unfettered One what about opposites attract?

@Unfettered One what about opposites attract?

Phookie Phook yeah it’s a shame that you make the assumption that none of us have I called the police and if I hadn’t I’d be sitting in Leavenworth right now she should have called 911 if anything to just check on the injured party or to report a shooting “in self defense “

@Anna Andre so, every black person that kills a white person is racist?

@Anna Andre so, every black person that kills a white person is racist?

@Nobody Matters yep... you dont enable a narcissist, you withstand them... and they manipulate you like im certain he did to her. if you show even the slightest bit of weakness they use that and use yourself as a weapon against yourself.

Jorge Peleteiro so if she didn’t emote feelings of stress and emotional
Pain- she wouldn’t be deceitful?

Everyone reacts to situations differently.
The only thing u have to go by is this video, in terms of believing you fully know who she is, how she thinks, and how she is supposed
To act.

There are a good number of other more significant points and themes that I fee deserve primary address other than speculating to know what she is thinking and feeing apposed to what YOU feel she should be thinking and feeling.

Jorge Peleteiro ok- but is someone who is a sex trafficking victim
Is scum because of who she walks with?

I follow
Your point but just trying to point out that it shouldn’t be applied in 💯 % of the time.

I kind of feel bad for her. At the same time I wonder why after the shock wore off she didn’t realize that him firing shots over loud music (remember, she didn’t yet know anyone was dead) was a sign she needed to get out NOW. I don’t think she’s being fake, but I think she tends to bury her head in the sand. In the end, I might feel bad for her to an extent, I’m reserving the bulk of my sympathy for Jordan’s family.

Some of y'all got empty nest syndrome or something. You just see someone sniffling and shaking and you automatically go "aWhHh PoOr ThInG" <br>Obviously shes not guilty of any crime aside from the drinking and driving but she's not totally innocent. And her being so sensitive and being so effected and traumitized by the incident doesnt change her role in the whole thing. You can criticize and analyze what happened. She objectively did some wrong things and objectively shouldve done other things. Regardless, she didn't kill or hurt anyone and this piece of shit did. Which is why she walked away and hes serving life in prison

Some of y'all got empty nest syndrome or something. You just see someone sniffling and shaking and you automatically go "aWhHh PoOr ThInG"
Obviously shes not guilty of any crime aside from the drinking and driving but she's not totally innocent. And her being so sensitive and being so effected and traumitized by the incident doesnt change her role in the whole thing. You can criticize and analyze what happened. She objectively did some wrong things and objectively shouldve done other things. Regardless, she didn't kill or hurt anyone and this piece of shit did. Which is why she walked away and hes serving life in prison

@Cait L. I think you hit the nail on the head. Down to run with the big bad dogs till the tiniest thing happens and start shaking like a chihuahua yapping about everything

@Cait L. I love you for your comment. You're probably right, I was looking at this wrong.

@Koke Garcia Excellent comment and something to really think about thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Devastating for the youth who lost his life. At least she didn't marry that turd. So she actually won.

@Unfettered One Pretty sure if it was any woman she would get the same reception.

@Unfettered One Pretty sure if it was any woman she would get the same reception.

@Tyler Gay never did I say she lied, if anything she is taking this whole affair as an opportunity to get rid of him (surely assured by her legal counsel that there is no chance he'd be getting out of prison). Deceitful and cowardly in the sense that she was complicit in covering the whole issue as if your partner shooting up cars at a gas station was an ordinary occurrence yet throwing him under the bus the minute police came knocking on the door! as well as her fake, affected little girl voice and mannerisms in the courtroom as opposed to her tone during the police investigation (with the exception when she "cried"). But then again... just my two cents!

@Cait L.  Thats a crazy assumption. Thats like labeling a bunch of kids as thugs because of loud music and swearing.

@Anna Andre violet racist? He was purple?

@Anna Andre violet racist? He was purple?

How devastating for the poor kid that was killed and his friends. I don’t have any empathy for sweet and kind enablers of violet racists.<br>Edit: violent

How devastating for the poor kid that was killed and his friends. I don’t have any empathy for sweet and kind enablers of violet racists.
Edit: violent

@Troispoint this implies you have never been a victim of a narcissist.

@Troispoint this implies you have never been a victim of a narcissist.

Damn a lot of assholes here saying how she should of done this or that. I don’t think anyone can say what they would do until they have actually been in that situation.

@Black Lagoon Death Squad then he shoots her in "self-defense"

@Black Lagoon Death Squad then he shoots her in "self-defense"

@Troispoint that's fair. She is definitely a victim in this case as well. Regardless of her natural personality

SHE SHOULD HAVE CALLED THE POLICE. also they were drinking and driving

SHE SHOULD HAVE CALLED THE POLICE. also they were drinking and driving

@Nobody Matters This implies she's a passive actor in all of this. She's in her 40s. She should know better.

@Koke Garcia she's lying yet everything I saw her say seemed to be in line with the truth despite most of it being terrible for her fiances case. Care to elaborate?

@Troispoint you don't enable narcissist. They hunt you, comb you, encompass your life, isolate you and brain wash you.

Tom shock. When I found out my friend had died- I cried and then slept. When I found out I had cancer I just sat there and was asleep within 30 minutes. When my aunt died I was asleep quickly. I normally take about 2-4 hours to sleep. It’s shock and grief.

She's probably the type to enable narcissists. Just a kind, sweet, never questioning wife. Not a bad person, but profoundly useless.

For sure. Anyone judging her is ridiculous. I'm sure she was low key scared for her life. Imagine someone you are engaged too shoots and kills someone just because of loud music. She probably realized he has a terrible violent temper and is capable of doing that to anyone

@Tom What elese is there to be done after that? And she had to go see the puppy.

@Tom What elese is there to be done after that? And she had to go see the puppy.

And a bit simple...why did she just go to the hotel and go to sleep after her fiance just shot someone ?


"Nope, you're not gonna talk to me that way."

^In my opinion, this is the most damning evidence that Michael Dunn never feared for his life. That quote tells us clearly that he just lost his shit when a black person didn't give him the respect he felt he was owed.

Dude is a coward through and through.

For people to also say he was calling black people violent. He wasn’t and never said that. He was trying to create a fake story in which he was being threatened for his life by another person. Never in any sort of instance did he say black people were violent.

@Juaquin Murrietta they’re saying Michael Dunn is a racist

@Juaquin Murrietta they’re saying Michael Dunn is a racist

@Nanox19435 normally I try and see the good in people....I belive most ppl are not racist. Most people do not let someone's race, gender, etc effect how they see someone. But hearing michael Dunn say "what do you expect?? They're violent" when talking to his fiancé....that absolutely shows me he was being prejudice and judging based on race. This man thought claiming self defense gives you an out on shooting someone you had an altercation with. He was pissed they didn't back down, knowing he had his gun gave him bigger balls, and he was wanting to have an excuse to shoot his gun and use his ccw <br>This should not be what people think of people who lawfully carry....my husband, a disabled marine veteran carries everywhere....he hopes he NEVER has to use it, he says he is even less likely to confront people bc he really doesn't ever want to have to use our line of defense. It's not a weapon to teach people a lesson....its a last line of defense when you or a loved one's life is in danger.

@Nanox19435 normally I try and see the good in people....I belive most ppl are not racist. Most people do not let someone's race, gender, etc effect how they see someone. But hearing michael Dunn say "what do you expect?? They're violent" when talking to his fiancé....that absolutely shows me he was being prejudice and judging based on race. This man thought claiming self defense gives you an out on shooting someone you had an altercation with. He was pissed they didn't back down, knowing he had his gun gave him bigger balls, and he was wanting to have an excuse to shoot his gun and use his ccw
This should not be what people think of people who lawfully carry....my husband, a disabled marine veteran carries everywhere....he hopes he NEVER has to use it, he says he is even less likely to confront people bc he really doesn't ever want to have to use our line of defense. It's not a weapon to teach people a lesson....its a last line of defense when you or a loved one's life is in danger.

@Juaquin Murrietta He called them "thugs" and called them aggressive, typically people who do these things (shoot at black people) say this type of stuff to cover ip for racism and the assumption that all black people are "thugs".<br>His death was one that the BLM movement also gave alot of coverage causing it to be synonymous with unnecessary violence to unarmed black people.

@Juaquin Murrietta He called them "thugs" and called them aggressive, typically people who do these things (shoot at black people) say this type of stuff to cover ip for racism and the assumption that all black people are "thugs".
His death was one that the BLM movement also gave alot of coverage causing it to be synonymous with unnecessary violence to unarmed black people.

@Floyd Abrams Did Tupac say he hated "that thug music" when black people were listening to rap in a vehicle near him? No? Maybe drop the stupid bad faith arguments, then.

@Shaurmiath would Tupac be considered racist today then?

@Shaurmiath would Tupac be considered racist today then?

@Jarrad Pechie Honestly, I agree with what you're saying. That was more or less my point. The person I was replying to was insinuating that "thug music" could mean anything, and I was insisting that he knew exactly what it meant.

@Shaurmiath let me weigh in here and state that Dunn is demonstrably racist and also that rap IS thug music. Gang bangers aren't riding around listening to Beethoven or Radiohead. Just because people that aren't thugs listen to rap does not preclude it from being the unofficial genre of thugs. Not to mention the lyrical content is often about violent and abusive themes.

That all said, Dunn's racism made him perceive these kids as a threat, and that's why he shot.

@Juaquin Murrietta You're really going through some contortions to pretend race didn't factor into it. Thug music ABSOLUTELY, 100%, without a doubt implies race to anyone who uses it. He didn't have to scream "this is because you are black" while opening fire for everyone to be able to tell that it was about race. Just because you refuse to see it doesn't mean that we're jumping to conclusions, you clown.

And when you say "all that jib-jab you spewed doesn't apply," that just tells me you didn't read it. Don't try to have discussions if you don't actually want to consider what others say.

@Juaquin Murrietta in his letters he said “blacks seem to be calling the shots” and “the whites who live in Jacksonville know how the blacks behave” if you want to read his letters You could see it more clearly. But in regards to what you heared, calling the black men violent and thug without any apparent reason other than music is most likely due to race.

@Shaurmiath still no where does thug music imply any race 😭 all that jib-jab you just spewed out doesn’t apply to this situation he never mentioned their race. So everyone cant jump to conclusions saying it was racially charged. All an Inference. Which is you drew the conclusion of racial because that’s what you chose to see and make it out to be. All I’m going off of is facts. That facts are that he murdered an innocent man and you can prove anything was racially tied.

@Juaquin Murrietta Not someone. The murderer said "thug music." He referred to the victims as violent, despite the fact that they did nothing violent to him. It was absolutely racially motivated, everyone knows it, including you, and your bad-faith mental gymnastics do absolutely nothing to cast doubt on that. Even your original comment is very telling, "He shouldn't be killing anyone period." This would be relevant if he'd killed lots of people of all different races, but he didn't.

The people he pulled a gun on and shot at were black. The fact that he isn't getting into conflicts like this with people of all races, only black people, should make it clear that his problem was their race. You can talk like you don't see color or all lives matter or whatever other nonsense you want to say,  but you're just trying to cover up racism and act like it's not happening.

Yes, killing people, any people of any kind, is bad. In this situation, though, the conflict happened because the attacker had a problem with black people. If it were some good old country boys sitting in a pickup truck blasting Tim McGraw, he would have had no issue with them. He was suspicious of them and ready to attack them because of their racial identity. Another witness said he didn't park next to them because he didn't want to deal with the loud music. This guy picked the spot next to them because he wanted an excuse to use his gun on black people.

"I don't know how many kids were in that but the windows were down"    All over music. What a sad story for all involved. Entire lives will be different. Imagine if he had never bought a gun, that type of man probably wouldn't even of mentioned the music to them. He was a "I have a gun so I'm a tough guy" type of guy. The worst kind. Cowards.    That man could of done a million other things then shoot to kill and try to play victim.

@Snoop Are you serious? ?? Of course not.. You can not and should not respect everyone. That would be like committing suicide... e.g. why would I respect someone who tortures animals.. respect to all the rapists.. respect all the murderers.. were you joking? What a stupid comment.

I agree.  Justice was served but that innocent teenager died for no reason and that’s the tragedy in all of this.

Lesson? I don’t know. You cannot trust or expect strangers to react rationally u under any circumstances. Avoid confrontation and practice patience when dealing with sick twisted people for the sake of your life.

His character and ability to murder someone like this tells me he would have done this to anyone who angered him enough at that moment in time, regardless of colour. There are a lot of grumpy old men who get enraged over kids playing their music really loud, or even playing on skateboards or bikes. I had something similar as a youth and I’m a white female (only difference is, me and my mates weren’t shot) but we were accused of listening to bad music and looked at like we were scum … I’m 40 now and went through phases of listening to some pretty hard and heavy music with some shocking lyrics so I am not surprised the oldies were disgusted by it.  I remember my mother saying “why are you listening to that rude druggie stuff that criminals listen to?” - and I repeat: I am white, not black. These old people say “thug music” because they genuinely think it is gang / criminal music, no matter what skin colour you have… they don’t realise kids are just kids and just because they listen to that music and they swear and use the F word, it doesn’t mean they are bad or dangerous criminals! I went through a massive Marilyn Manson phase and back in those days people thought I was a satanist lol. Nothing could be further from the truth - but this is what the older generation thought of me and my buddies. Of course, his opinions do not give him an excuse - that’s why he’s saying “they threatened my life” - which is obviously not true. The truth is, he’s a murderer, he’s aggressive, angry, narcissistic and self righteous and basically projecting his bad character into those boys. And as much as I wouldn’t blast music like I used to 15 years ago, that doesn’t mean I expect anything less from teenagers nowadays. Teenagers DO annoy me a bit now I am older, but I always remember I was once a teenager myself. Of course they answer back and swear and play loud music - that’s what teens do.  As adults we just have to be understanding and patient. This man wasn’t scared for his life at all. He knew they were just being cocky arrogant teens - which isn’t a crime. He thought he was better than them and he was already enraged over their music and when they then dared challenge him and answered back it tipped his rage over the edge and he then fired the rounds  - this crime was an anger rage crime, it was impulsive and not a racially driven crime (in my opinion) and i can guarantee he has always been a liar, a manipulator and a bully and he’d have done it to me and my mates too.

@Juaquin Murrietta as someone in another comment mentioned I recommend reading his letters from prison   Hes way more openly racist in them.

@Juaquin Murrietta the thug music comment is a dog whistle. The whole point is that there’s the plausible deniability. When someone points the dog whistle out no one else knows what they’re talking about apart from a select few (usually those who hold the same beliefs).  This allows whoever is using the dog whistle to deny holding whatever belief they’re being accused of holding while making the person pointing it out look crazy.

The idea that black people (mainly black men) are thugs has historical roots in racism, hence the use of the word thug. Since rap specifically has a lot of black men who both make it and listen to it it’s “thug music”.

@Snoop no
Not everyone deserves it
In order to get it
You must give it

Even THEN you are not entitled to someones respect
Its earned

In Dunn’s case, he never warranted anything but a confrontation
And now look where he at….

@Juaquin Murrietta “thug music” calling them violent when they didnt do shit.

@Juaquin Murrietta “thug music” calling them violent when they didnt do shit.

@Cady still yet no one has explained to me where the racial motivation is… someone said “thug music” but as far as I know every race on planet earth has rap and thug music. So I don’t know how it can be racially charged when there’s no evidence to back it up.

@Juaquin Murrietta the fact you keep poking at people to explain what race has to do with it, is a you problem. Just because you don’t see the obvious fact the man’s actions were fueled by his racist thought process, doesn’t mean it’s not there, it just means that you don’t understand.

@Maddie it’s really not evident to me, no racial motivation in this case.

@Maddie it’s really not evident to me, no racial motivation in this case.

@MicahDude no one has given me any real solid evidence that backs up their claims of racial motivation.

@Juaquin Murrietta it’s quite clear that this was racially motivated lmao

@Juaquin Murrietta it’s quite clear that this was racially motivated lmao

@Snoop "Sometimes people use "respect" to mean "treating someone like a person" and sometimes to mean "treating someone like an authority" For some, "if you don't respect me, I won't respect you" means "if you don't treat me like an authority, I won't treat you like a person"

@Juaquin Murrietta most people associate thug music with rap and hip hop, and these genres are associated with black people. I highly doubt Michael Dunn is a person who thinks of thug music as anything that isn't rap or hip hop.

@Juaquin Murrietta because in their mind most rap, especially sang by poc, is thug music.

@JUNO still don’t know what thug music has to do with race 🥱🥱🥱 it wasn’t racially charged.

@Juaquin Murrietta it was race, he said "I hate that thug music" to his fiance about their music, having a racist stepfather myself--its race.

The thing that is scary is that I don't even think they them being black was the biggest factor, the dudes a huge racist but I think his anger and narcissism would had lead to an event like this eventually

@Juaquin Murrietta He clearly held the opinion that black people are inherently violent, as he assumed that they were extremely hostile, had a shotgun, and assumed they were thugs. Sure he didn't shoot them specifically because they had some melanin in their skin, but it is 100% about race.

@Juaquin Murrietta you can tell by his language that his actions were racially charged . He said “ They’re violent “ and called rap “thug music”

@Juaquin Murrietta @Nathan Levine wasn’t commenting on whether or not this guy should have killed anyone. He said that he killed the boy because the boy is black, which is glaringly obvious.<br>And it does have something to do with it. It’s the reason why this guy killed someone. That’s one of the first questions families ask about someone who murdered a family member, “why did they do it?”

@Juaquin Murrietta @Nathan Levine wasn’t commenting on whether or not this guy should have killed anyone. He said that he killed the boy because the boy is black, which is glaringly obvious.
And it does have something to do with it. It’s the reason why this guy killed someone. That’s one of the first questions families ask about someone who murdered a family member, “why did they do it?”

@Juaquin Murrietta I think the original comment is describing the murderer's thought process, which is very, very likely a racist one.

What does him bring black have anything yo do with it? He shouldn’t be killing anyone period.


"You guys are seeing this as murder" Yes because you murdered someone.

I mean it would classify as homicide, right? But yeah, the point stands

@thenerdnetwork the premeditation can be a second before the murder.

Racists are delusional... Withing the first minute of this video he not only highlights his prejudice but also dehumanizes a group of people. He thinks Black people are animals, that's what he believes, so in his mind, he truly is thinking "what's the big deal, I go deer hunting all the time! This isn't murder"

@thenerdnetwork Also not a lawyer, but my understanding of the first-degree is that premeditation can be basically instant; it doesn't have to be a drawn-out process. First degree is apparently defined by "willfulness" (intent to kill at least a person, even if it isn't specific), "deliberation" (awareness of consequences and choice to do so regardless, and not provoked on equivalent scale), and "premeditated" (considered beforehand, which to quote the website I'm looking at, "can be as simple as seeing a weapon nearby and using it to commit the act").

On those grounds, I can see how this can be argued into first degree, even if-- as little leeway as this shitstain deserves-- he probably wasn't specifically aiming to kill someone, he just wasn't sorry about doing it. He willfully fired that gun at people, deliberately aiming at them; he had an awareness of what the consequences of that action could be, and despite his flimsy claims of self-defense was not sufficiently provoked to retaliate with gunfire; he sat in the car and thought about it for at least long enough to pull the gun out and (probably) switch off the safety before he fired, and long enough to reload/re-aim/whatever between volleys.

On those grounds, with premeditation not having a set time minimum-- yeah, it does qualify as first-degree. He made a conscious choice, with the time to think about it, to fatally endanger other lives while being fully aware of the potential consequences of his actions.

I am no pro on Florida law here, but I find it incredible that the prosecution was able to secure a 1st degree murder conviction on him. I just don't see how this is first degree murder in any way, he didn't plan on running into these particular people at this particular gas station. So I just don't know how this was 1st degree murder, 2nd degree? Maybe... 1st degree? No. Anyways the guy is a piece of shit and with all the other convictions he wasn't ever going to get out anyways. But still, scary that a jury found him guilty of a charge that he ABSOLUTELY did not commit, simply because there was no other homicide charges filed by the DA.

True. <br>I think his argument was that it was self defense, this didn't seem to hold water as the defendant had no reason to believe his life was in any danger.

True.
I think his argument was that it was self defense, this didn't seem to hold water as the defendant had no reason to believe his life was in any danger.


He wanted his fiancé to lie for him. That’s why he calls her and says, I was a victim. He is a narcissist and I wonder what he was saying to her on the way back to the hotel and on the way home. She didn’t lie for him and it’s clear that she feared him. Lying and perjuring yourself is wrong, but I wonder if she would have lied for someone who was really a nice person who made a mistake, but wasn’t harming her in any way.  🤔 I bet he terrorized her.  Not one tear for that poor young boy who had his whole life ahead of him. An innocent who talked back like a lot of teenagers do.

He is far worse than just a narciccist he's also a psychopath, no remorse, no way if thinking,

I was myself raised by a narciccist and I'm glad I'm away from him,

From personal experience

Shame on the dude, I just hope he rots in jail,  and doesn't get out. But unfortunately these killers find ways to get out, from bribing to escape. It's really disgusting, reminds me of this dude that killed a bunch of people and is getting out this year, they have it to easy, they always say without parole and then they still get parole.

Linda Ann Quiles, you're exactly right....Deep down, she was probably elated to tell the truth and put him away... Could've truly been an escape out of an abusive relationship.  Who knows....🤷🏿♂🤔


I’m black and I’m from Memphis, but I believe him. Lil bro was capping, rapping the words to the song trying to intimidate the old white man. You gotta watch your words before they cost you💯

@Papa Smurf I bet gargamel has some good shit

Yeah...I'm blue and from smurf village smoking reefer grown by gargamel

Yes. “Song lyrics” lead to a child’s death reasonably


If I discovered that I took someone’s life by mistake, I would be inconsolable.

@fooflateka yeah because the car doubled back to call for 911 after Michael Dunn left. There was never a weapon found in the teenagers car, none of the teenagers had a criminal record. Didn’t you watch the doc?

Ditto. I'd be a mess. I can't even hurt a fly. 🥺 And this guy sitting in court just casually throwing it aside. Even if I was justified to take a life, I'd take years to overcome that. This guy. Zero. Remorse.

@fooflateka I’m french actually lol. But considering you keep dragging politics into this matter I’m guessing you’re American. Nothing more ‘murican than politicizing peoples existences at every turn.

@fooflateka Well he definitely had bullets. You know, in his fucking chest.

I can’t even imagine how devastated I would be. I cry when I hit squirrels while I’m driving.  😕

I'd be freaked out if I even shot a firearm in public I'd call police immediately

Athena124 he didn’t take it by mistake. He shot at them with intention.

That has nothing to do with this. You wouldn't feel that way if you were claiming self defense, which is his entire defense.

@Bigman Dogs I've been every level of drunk except dead and I never actually shot someone, puked on someone but didn't shoot em so idk but it sounds fishy

Grow up it’s not about u it’s about the victim

@Bigman Dogs But the point is, when he sobered up and realized that he had killed an unarmed teenager, he should have been a wreck. Instead, he doubled down on his actions. That's pretty heartless.

@Kornelija Earthling I think another issue is that he was drunk and obviously not think straight. I have never been drunk myself but I imagine it has some sort of thought impairing effect. The fact that he himself has gun in his car likely makes him more likely to assume others do too.

Right! And a teenager at that!! He only thinks of himself.

Back to the that-one-time-I-accidentally-squished-a-turtle-with-my-car thing...I practically lost my mind with grief and guilt. If that had been a person? Holy cow.

Exactly! A 17 year old kid?!? And I'd be like outraged that I had such deeply ingrained racism that in a moment like that I was a total piece of shit and murdered a young man cause I imagined he had a shotgun. But nah this dude doubled down on his inherent American white supremacy and tried to say he was defending himself from a careful of teenagers baking away in fear. Rot in hell my guy! You won't be missed.


How traumatizing for those boys in that car. Watching their friend bleed out after running for their lives. Over music. I can’t imagine the flashbacks they have

I know. Hip hop destroys black lives in many ways.

@Seething Walnut I'm not trolling but thanks. Still winning though.

@Not Sure if youre trolling, then you are fucking winning at an astronomical level

@Not Sure who's an edgy boy? Yes, you are 🥰🥰🥰

@Not Sure who's an edgy boy? Yes, you are 🥰🥰🥰

@Nichole Brown couldn't have said it better myself. 👍

@Shaggy G Idk what you’re picking sides for but again, k lol

@Shaggy G I’m not talking about ‘things like loud music’. If you can’t quickly find 10 different cases of people being murdered specifically for playing loud music in their car on public property in the last 5 years then it’s rare. But regardless that’s a very weird & pointless thing for you to want to point out. Out of all the comments above that’s what you want to disprove lol k

@Nichole Brown  im not here to fight with anyone im just saying yes people have been killed several times for things like loud music , were i live there was a case of someone who got stabbed in the eye and died there over a parking spot is messed up but not rare at all

@Will Richert your Saturday night suck that much you’d rather be hateful towards teens you never met? Very sad. Hope your heart flutters when you get this notification thinking it’s someone that enjoys you just for you to realize it’s another person telling you how worthless you are. Have a great night!

@Nichole Brown you're fantastic. 🙌🏻💖 I hope you have the best day, week, month, year, life.

@Chris Prescott is that what you said in your OP? Or did you say bet those boys still blast their music, as if music is why they were killed & not an unhinged racist. THEN you doubled down and said violence happens all the time bc of music. Then you realized you were blaming the victims and said but but ‘Dunn didn’t learn anything either!’ Lmao okay Chris! I’ll go argue with the real racists of the world not the passive ones

@Nichole Brown Well I can tell you for a fact that Dunn didnt learn anything. He thinks hes the victim. Did you know that both sides  can learn lessons from situations that they end up in? What a concept.

@Chris Prescott & now you’re the victim lol but scroll up babe I’ve been checking ALL of you that seem to place an inkling of blame on these teenagers

@Nichole Brown Yeah. Argue with me instead of the actual racists in the thread. Cool.

@Chris Prescott so why does the straight up racially motivated murder need to result in the teenagers learning a lesson? When their murder was unwarranted and racist? Lol do you not hear yourself.

@Nichole Brown It has lead to violence an uncountable amount of times. I'm not supporting the shooter by the way. What he did was probably motivated by racism and ego, and it was murder straight up.

@Not Sure you needed racism to help you respect yourself? Yikes. Explains why you’re forced to show small pieces to yourself to different women for willful companionship.

@Nichole Brown Several ongoing side pieces, and self respect is how far. 😎

@Nichole Brown Nah. Just saying I bet they didnt learn from their experience. Cant look weak.

@Not Sure how far has racism gotten you?? Can’t be too virtuous if you’re online trying to make people upset. Does the unfulfilling job and empty bed and racism keep you warm at night while you think about all the people in life you haven’t been good enough for?

@Chris Prescott yea it’s almost like in America loud music in public isn’t illegal & punishable by death

I bet they still blast their music everywhere they go.

@Lemonworm No, it proves he didn't get past the door. That's not the beginning of the process. It was never argued that the process was completed. That's the point of suppressive fire. To hinder that process. It's beautiful and virtuous to be racist.

@Not Sure This literally makes zero sense? self defense isn’t killing anyone you perceive as a threat, in that case someone with anxiety could kill just about every person they come across. It’s about whether or not said person was an actual threat, which they weren’t. Simple. And also….you’re wrong. “Perception” isn’t the only thing that matters here, which is why he’s in jail and not the people who did nothing wrong. I’d suggest you read up on self defense precedent, but you’ve proven to be incapable of basic critical thinking skills. There’s no way you can read law.

@Meredith Wild No, yet. Lil Bill got justice through the door years ago. In one swift motion, quick as a flash.

@Not Sure his wife testified against him Awipe

@Not Sure No I don’t. Which is why the real victim here is unfortunately dead. Your brother in arms is deservingly in jail for murder. Send him a few letters sympathizing with him instead of caping for him on YouTube.

@Not Sure you’re advocating for the unarmed boy shot at 3 times through a car door and 4 times while fleeing, by saying someone PERCEIVED him as dangerous? Lmao right. If I perceive you as a heartless psychopath and therefore dangerous, do I get permission to take you out bc I don’t like your words?

@Nichole Brown Sure he would. If that person was behind the door and there was probability that he was armed (which there was - remember only perception matters here), then he would need to shoot through the door and window to hit the assailant. I'm not playing Devil's advocate, I'm playing victim's advocate.

@Not Sure please play devil’s advocate somewhere else. If he was being advanced, he wouldn’t need to shoot THROUGH a car door to effectively hit the person ‘advancing’ him.

Over death threats and advancing toward him.

Over death threats and advancing toward him.

I was thinking about his mother, what if she had other kids, I know I would be too scared for my other kids life to let them go hang out with friends after that.

Right? The officer saying "those two shot at were fine", I was thinking "no, none of them are 'fine'".


Honestly I think he was in fear for his life but it was an irrational, over-reaction drunken fear. I do think the teen in the back was probably being an ass and was singing/rapping along to whatever the song was. The victim didn't help himself out but this guy shouldn't have even been driving after he had so much to drink. The kid didn't deserve to die but he thought someone wasn't gonna defend himself after he threaten him. (Though I think the original threat was actually music lyrics)

@Jojo i understand. Mistakes happen. Hope you have a great day

@Mrs. Bees my bad I commented that while I was half asleep ur good my bad

@Jojo no, not at all....hence why I said "he didn't deserve to die".


Scared, anxious, shaking, nervous, confused, and not in control of her emotions. Yet, not a single nerve of her righteousness ever falters. Courage my friends, in its truest form.

write a book<br>I know that's random but this is beautifully written (and true ofc) but honestly

write a book
I know that's random but this is beautifully written (and true ofc) but honestly


Dunn: I shot at the door
Detective: What was the purpose of that ?
Dunn : Save my life
Detective : From the Door ?

And if they shoot first. Now what u say fool

I read this as soon as It played on the video haha

Come on man, you know the 3rd leading cause of death in America are militant car doors. A trunk lid killed my chihuahua, damn hyper violently exterior car designs.

@J F I saw that when I was in Jr High lmao. One of his best bits

@Patrick Lawler exactly because no one has seen what happens after the door becomes ajar. No one has EVER talked about it

He had to save himself from the door before it became ajar.

Dunn : The Door looks angry to me, its red 😐

Had to think of this Bill Burr bit in which he places himself in the mind of his agitated dog: "Is it the door? Are you mad at the door?"


Imagine facing your son's murderer and seeing him openly cry in the court room about his dog....

@ileana banana people have died over far less

@Ollie Hood making up stuff, just like all these other weak claims.

Provide proof. Your quotations so far are not what I've said.

If you continue to twist my words, and contort them to your false beliefs, you're no better than the mainstream media.

Yes cursing someone is definetly evil....how is that love?
There is hatred, and there is love.

You either have one or the other

Love is the absence of hatred.
Without hatred there is only love.

Robbie Ezc So because a 17 year old said “fuck that guy” he’s evil? Do you really have zero understanding of how the real world works?

Robbie Ezc “ I value all life, expect those who play loud music” this is what you sound like. You are blaming a 17 year old for being murdered by an grown ass man

@A T never said any of that, more weak claims with no proof.

Made by weak people.

@Erin M you're talking about yourself, lol.

@Erin M lol, i struck your nerves Erin.

Look at all your reactions.

@Robbie Ezc YOU said you have no empathy. And you demonstrated that with your comments. You continue to do so by calling me "weak." What a wierd and animalistic way to argue...

Robbie Ezc I don’t know why that comment got reported, along with my other one that I had to edit into one of my responses. I would take a loooong look in the mirror before telling people they’re controlled by their ego. The visceral reaction to your callous words is what defines us as humans. Raw emotion exudes when we feel injustice, inequality, and experience just all around senseless tragedy. If you can say you’ve discussed every topic levelheaded and dispassionately, congratulations, you either pretty much feel nothing or you’re on the spectrum. I’m not insane at all, I’m pressing you for something because you’re incapable of giving direct answers. It is not that hard to answer a question directly and you refuse to do that, even though you dug yourself in that hole. The fact is, the remarks you made about a teenage boy’s murder would make most normal humans capable of feeling anything quite upset, because your comments are cruel and most of all completely unwarranted. Who made you the arbiter of looking at these situations “objectively”? Cause that what it seems you think you are. How am I liar? How can you throw around random accusations like a crazy person and not feel like everything you say is a joke? 😂

@Erin M You can go read up, I've explained to you many times.

Claiming that I haven't explain completely discredits you, and is proof, that you're a liar.

Robbie Ezc you’re the one that brought up logic so you should be able to explain yourself, unless you’re ready to admit that you’re wrong and you just like dancing on children’s graves?

@Erin M Read my past comments. theres no need to repeat myself.

Robbie Ezc I’m asking where YOUR logic is.

Robbie Ezc I’m asking where YOUR logic is.

@Erin M I've explained the entirety of the situation to you, and it's there in the comment section as proof.

You continue to fail in reading, so this time I suggest you work on your literacy.

We can't communicate via text, if you can't read.

@Jimmy Pineapple I'll tell you a secret Ethen, your thoughts...are lies.

@Robbie Ezc I think you're asking for it

@Robbie Ezc I think you're asking for it

Robbie Ezc you didn’t answer my questions at all and the fact that you can’t even address my points directly shows that you know there’s no logic in what this man did.

@Erin M I answered your question thoroughly. If you don't get it you can read it again.

Robbie Ezc how about you stop dodging my questions and answer them?

@Erin M maybe If you actually read my words, instead of trying to fight with me.
You would understand what I am saying

I value all life.

The logic here is that it's done and over with.
How could situations like this be avoided in the future?
If one can be aware that starting confrontations with people is usually a bad idea.

That's a very good step in the right direction.

Who could teach such a simple lesson? The parents.

All parents need to be examples for their children, or their children will likely repeat their behavior.

Ive been outside of America for years, I've been to different counties.

America is different than the rest of the world.
Here we believe "starting a confrontation doesnt mean you should die"
And we can all agree to that.

But in this world there are all sorts of people who do all sorts of things.

In real life, that's how you get into some ugly ugly situations, by starting a confrontation.

It's better to walk away, that way nobody has to get hurt.

The true definition of "Timid" those with great weapons, yet refuse to use them.

People should be timid, in the sense that regardless of what powerful weapons they may have at their disposal, they prefer the peaceful approach, and do not let their ego get the best of them.

Robbie Ezc Even if we were to disregard the value of that boy’s life, the man still murdered a youngin over something trivial and petty and threw his own life away in the process. Where’s the logic in that?

Robbie Ezc okay, how is murdering a teenage boy for being rude over loud music “logical”? And why are you putting “humanity” in quotations? What does that mean? Do you feel like you’re above humanity?

Robbie Ezc  No, it’s called having humanity. It’s not about logic.

@all i do is watch even his own friends admitted that everything was civil, until the one that died started running his mouth.

Surprise suprise the one that started it, is the one who ended up getting hit...(ps. It isn't a surprise, he made himself the target)

Trigger happy Michael was gunning for him specifically.

I doubt he was a 17 year old Jesus incarnate, trying to be peaceful, and loving, and died in the process.

@Erin M No lack of empathy.

You are being emotional, while I'm being logical.

@Johnny I appreciate it, but unfortunately everyone makes their own decisions, and these things happen.

I hope for everyone that they will make the right decisions, behave with respect, and decency.

@Robbie Ezc I hope to god you never loose one of your loved ones over something so trivial and idiotic.

what is wrong with that? My cat is worth 50000000 people!

Robbie Ezc RIP the dead and rot away the jailed 🤟🏿

He was a kid, he didn't deserve to get killed. You have never complained?? EVERYONE COMPLAINS!!!! What kind of sick person thinks someone deserves to die over music. I hope you don't have any kids you are a terrible person. He was just a kid and there could have been more deaths since he just unloaded his gun like a cold blooded murderer.

@Robbie Ezc it's amazing how people can make up excuses for shooting people. He asked for it, right.

If I raised my son to get bitchy over his friend turning down the music.

I wouldn't be suprised.

The little emotional son, probably talked too much, and ended up asking for it.

I doubt he was a wise 17 year old Jesus incarnate who was trying to be peacful, and died in the process.

I hope they were a little sedated. Because I don’t think I could have kept my composure.