BURRRP Ha-hair is meaningless Morty, th-there's millions of hairs on your head, Morty, in the grand scheme of things I think BELCH I think fingernails should be considered more important, you only get 10 of those, Morty.
Between you and me (and anyone else who reads this comment) i thought the 2nd half of season 4 was insanely funny and really tightly written, I feel that it was sort of meditation for dan harmon and it really showed, I'm extremely interested and eager to see where rick and morty can go from here, loved the video and keep up the great work!
That sponsorship segment blindsided me dude. Great analysis but damn, I can't get over how well you put it the ad in there. Never go into marketing you'll ruin a generation of kids into commercialism.
If I had to applaud one of your critics of season 3, as the best one you made, it would debunking the whole "Season 3 is dark, guyz" meme, which I have seen far too often, used as a defence. It just seems like a talking point everyone accepted, and repeats without thinking about it. Its like children who are asked to descrive god just use the same words which they have been told. Its rather scary, is a weird way that mostly rational adults could all fall for something which is basically brain washing.
I feel like we're in to different universes because like I never really heard anything about how people started hating Rick and Morty as a show and like mass amounts of people not wanting to talk about the show. It's weird like of course they have a few bad episode like most shows (or honestly the worst they can get is "Meh"). And any and all type of fandoms have a toxic side to them no matter how decent that fandom may be. (I mean of course we're going to see more negative things than positive things.) Was it really that big of a deal though? I never really felt like it was that big of a deal.
Or maybe I've only been in the good side of the fandom somehow for most to all of the length of it. Lol... I guess it's just a matter of perspective and that's one of the partial reasons why I could disagree with this video. A decent video overall though
@Gary Oak sam Hyde on the million Dollar Extreme world Peace deal with adult Swim and the government sized it for the Joker movie and get worried when people start killing journalists that's a quote
In all seriousness, you've done an amazing job on this video, a lot of your points are valet and I feel like I'm on the same boat as you. I will continue to love Rick and Morty for being just another cartoon to entertain and make me feel happy. Thank you for expressing your personal thoughts on the show, I'm still supporting you after seven years of watching your content, keep up the good work!
I just finished the first Dune book and it was incredible and I'm beyond hyped for the movie this year! With Avengers being finished and Star Wars in a burning dumpster (to my great agony) Dune's movie has the potential to enable a resurgence in popularity for one of, if not the most influential, Sci Fi books known to man and see the rise of a new cinematic dynasty!
Hey emp not sure if youâre ever going to see this or if you listen to suggestions but how about there will never ever be a game like minecraft this isnt a meme minecraft has been a special thing to me and many other people I remember being ten staying up till 3:am in the blue light of my tv listening to its amazing soundtrack
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season 4 became cynical but honestly it's a smart idea to figure out who really liked the show for what the animators, and writers WANTED to do not what the fans wanted
I can see how the show was influenced by the fandom and that was annoying but saying the show was ruined by it is completely over the top. I still love the show as much as I always have. Of course thatâs just me but seriously just sit back and enjoy the show and stop over analyzing
I like the show but I wouldn't call it a cultural phenomenon. for me I like shows like harvey birdman , spaceghost coast to coast and athf more than rick and Morty
You also never covered the main issue with the show. Itâs lazy. All new shows are lazy. Ten episode seasons? The Simpsonâs and futurama did twice that per season. The inconsistent season releases also ruin the show. Itâs not a solid state show and itâs sad.
Ever considered doing an episode on Venture Bro's ?, I'm late to the series, but damn does it have some if the best written characters in any animated series, hate that the show got "cancelled"
well, rick got more powerful because he LITERALLY swapped minds with one of the highest ranked ricks in the citadel of ricks. gaining all the body mods, tech, abilities, powers, and skills that that rick had. Imagine if you, a human being, traded bodies with thanos and the completed infinity gauntlet and then killed thanos in your old body. You'd be OP AF too...
This kid doesn't remember the 80's and 90's, when Sci-Fi and Fantasy were one in the same, not diametrically opposed world views as he seems to think they are now.
I also noticed it! And on the line of the video, I think it has to do with the constant grandiose 'smartest man in the universe' moments, in detriment of the more down to earth weird grandpa moments of the first seasons
While that doesn't ruin the show for me by any stretch, I did notice that his drunkenness got really toned down after the first season or so. I do think it added to his character and the comedy a bit.
The reason he stopped burping cus the voice over used air blown into is stomach to cus the real burls but after a while he found it to disgusting so he stopped just noticed some one already said the reason so nm
It's a telling reminder that the character is different than he was before. He was always incredibly smart but was handicapped by aimlessness and drunkness brought on by severe depression. All of a sudden, that changes instantly and he becomes superman. Had it happened more gradually with the audiance being shown him using his intellect more pointedly and the reasons for it, much of Emps critic would be null
probably happend bc of the whole "smartest man in the universe" shit. like the show creators saw how much the fandom idolized rick and so they played into that by making him the smartest man in the universe because that's easier to idolize. and it's just harder to put someone on a pedastal and use as a front for the brand when they are a drunk that burps all the time. more people would find it repulsive and it would therefor be harder to use rick to attract new fans.
in the earlier seasons rick was a flawed character and it was pretty clear you weren't supposed to like him. that's why people sympathized with him but nobody truly thought he was "perfect" or a good person. but then something in the fandom clicked and people started to see rick as some sort god instead of the alcoholic old man who left his daughter, is a dick to his family but kinda knows how to do sci-fi shit. now it's like the fandom willingly chooses to ignore that and the show is playing into it. kinda frustrating tbh
Real talk, it's probably because doing a ton of burp takes was probably hell on roiland, the process for that kind of thing is pretty ridiculous. Maybe hes on a bit less of an alcholic streak and didnt want to do as many
@Tahseen Khan Apparently those were often improvised, a side effect of drinking in the recording booth. So you're probably right, he's most likely not drinking while recording as often.
@OtakuUnitedStudio well if memory serves, some were improvised, but the writers did also sometimes write in lines where they wanted roiland to burp, so hed have to do the so called "burp takes" till he got the line right.
The therapist scene might be heavy-handed but i feel like it was dan harmon getting sick of the fans who worshipped rick and didn't get the point. And then fans attached themselves to the fucking pickle.
It's all fun and games to worship a fictional nutter like Rick, so long as you get it into your head that if he existed in real life, you reallly, REALLY, shouldn't want to like him.
@Citizen B lets be honest, they're mostly saying that as pretty average people. this man was literally designed to be unbearable, seeing him get better was probably some of the best you could do with him
Nice to see that they acknowledged the whole "rick using body modifications without any explanation" in Season 5 where Rick outright mentions he'll deus ex machina the fight then gets stripped of all his weapons and body modifications and becomes defensless again.
Rick definitely still has that aspect of being a near unkillable god so I hope that becomes less of a prominent feature of his character over time. Pointing out that the body modifications were a dumb idea is the first step to improving it
Sure it ways nice but I can only thinkg of so many excuses Rick wont use his script powers in the future, my guess is that writers will just try to gradually forget about it, just like rick came up with these body augmentations out of nowhere aswell lol.
@Sin With Us Hate to be this guy, but Rick has those body modifications because it's not his original body after the events of the premier to Season 3. Him choosing to keep reintroducing them into his body is weird, but eh, people came to expect it because they seemed pretty cool in the first few occasions he used them. We didn't question the vaguely godlike abilities of his mind, his flying space-car or his portal gun in seasons 1 and 2, so I dunno why you guys got so torn apart by the body mods.
Sure, things got blown way out proportion, but eh, that's a toxic fanbase for you, and because everything has to 150% for toxic fanbases, it meant repeating the same mindless crap over and over until it embarassed us all to the point where it isn't "cool" to like the thing anymore, and only nerds who actually like the subject matter stay on board. It's the same with everything, the internet just made the end results more prevalent and the lifespan of events far shorter - see any and all sports team fanbases anywhere in the world.
@Valokiloren Yeah, I feel like in many reviews and discussions, about Rick's cybernetic enhancements, people keep forgetting he switched bodies, multiple times.
It was good, especialy since it put rick in a position he couldn't escape with science, by taking away his gadgeds. He couldn't just deus ex machina the whole plot by being there. I mean, the dude got arrested, by normal police men. Not an evil god, not by an evil version of him, but by normal police men.
it was a good episode until jessica went crazy it's getting so tiring, nothing changes, morty can't get a girlfriend because the characters can't change and man am i not looking foward to the next time where something important happens and in the last second the showrunners go 'ha isn't it funny that this thing that could change the status quo actually went wrong? anyway see you next week for the same punchline with a diferent setup'
@ItzNotCaleb That's too wild to say im sorry, Morty killed alot of people on that episode alone but when her gf does it it disgusts him, riiiight.* You could argue morty killed in self-defense but I mean come on, maybe only on THIS episode but morty has killed or done worse to so many sentient beings beyond humans I think Its safe to say he's only second because of rick. Not only that but he has seen far far worse being perpetrated right in front of his eyes.
When Planetina or whatever started killing those man Im not saying its unnatural morty had a negative response, but I really thought it would be more of a DONWARD SPIRAL from there, but nope! just one little massacre made in the name of a cause and to rude people (they have commited genociede for literally nothing lol) and that BREAKS morty, It really makes him question wether he loves her or not, not whether its convinient to be with her just waiting for an accident to happen, which would make much more sense.
I could go on and on but it really seemed like they just wanted Beth back in a family role rather than out in the open as she was left, but it was such flawed and out of tone attempt that it really messes up the episode for me, I really liked the other ones tho and even the b-plot was kinda good, Which even some writers think sucks, I mean this whole paragraph is mostly based on the "how it was made" of the episode, If you havent seen it go watch it, It's always interesting to see what the guys who made it think of something you like.
I can agree with that, I feel like rick and morty was never bad, seasons 1-2 were great, season 3-4 were ok-meh, season 5 seems to be going back to Great Level
It's a nice season so far, if you take Emp's points into account. The only thing missing is accountability, a ton of stuff happens that goes unpunished or it gets resolved within the episode
looking back at this, after the season 5 finale... it could be possible that we now have a rough date for when rick created the central finite curve.
"somewhere along the way, rick transformed from the flawed scientist into the smartest man in the universe"
"the show only starts calling rick this in season 3"
i wonder if the creators had the curve in mind even back then.
also, they confirmed that the "made up backstory" rick "only used to escape prison" was actually real.
either its a big coincidence, they watched this video - or its just genius.
@Ein they first mentioned it in the fist in ârick-counters with the Rick kindâ when one of the council members said âout of all the ricks in the central finite curve your the malcontent, the rougeâ so actually itâs been a thing since season 1
Shame that with such a promising premiere it ended up being by far the shittest season yet. Completely aimless and unmemorable, extremely strange and borderline fetishist concepts, characters acting far too out of character, certain characters being completely pointless, Rick being ridiculously nerfed, among many more. I'd take the worst of 3 or 4 over most of 5 any day. If season 6 which will probably premiere at the end of this year or early 2022 is just as bad, the show is dead and is relegated to modern Family Guy levels of irrelevance.
First episode was fire and then it sucks unfortunately. Though I did like episode 3. Last episode was lukewarm. Episode 8 was something that should have been good, but to me, wasnât.
@Sin With Us my interpretation of Morty and Plantina's relationship coming to an end is, in fact, very much in character. Throughout the show we saw Morty being coerced into violence by Rick, killing so many sentient creatures that he would probably be the second most wanted criminal in the galaxy. Planetina, the nice environmentalist superhero was the antithesis to Rick in Morty's eyes, someone that possesses superior power and uses them for good, directly going against Rick's nihilistic self destructive mentality. Morty got so upset when she used arbitrary violence to justify her means because that's something he was running from, something he didn't need anymore, something he tried to leave behind. That's why he snapped when that illusion shattered, just like how your illusions of a person tend to do when a relationship goes sour.
I agree that Rick's drastically changed characterization took a turn for the worst in seasons 3 and 4. After watching season 5's lore filled episodes tho, What if it was all planned?(this is just a theory lol) All of those episodes that personified Rick as this godlike entity could've been used as a dramatic setup for season 5's end result; to further explain the central finite curve. Now that we know Rick isn't the strongest man in the universe and is the most vulnerable he's ever been, this sets up the show for more creative writing opportunities. Rick is now put in a situation where he can't runaway from his own problems. It lets us know that Rick's weaknesses never went away, they've just been lurking beyond the central finite curve. I'd like to think that this was the writers' true intentions all along. Could just be wishfull thinking. Regardless, Rick and Morty seems to be at it's peek again. Can't wait to see what they do with Season 6.
Oh damn i'm not the only one thinking they had it planned. just gonna copypaste the comment i just wrote here "20:25 OH MY GOD i just realized something.
looking back at this, after the season 5 finale... it could be possible that around that time, rick created the central finite curve, and they had it all planned.
"somewhere along the way, rick transformed from the flawed scientist into the smartest man in the universe"
"the show only starts calling rick this in season 3"
i wonder if the creators had the curve in mind back then. if so, that redeems the weird writing back then for me.
also, they confirmed that the "made up backstory" rick "only used to escape prison" was actually real.
either its a big coincidence, they watched this video - or its just genius."
Idk I donât think they had it planned the whole time if you look at the behind the scenes of the finale posted on adult swim YouTube channel they said they had to rewatch all the old episodes to plan the finale
@Baccarah Especially Morty. It seems like Rick and Morty are reversing their roles. Like just look at the fake breakup episode. Morty was the one crying, breaking, and trying to get Rick back instead of Rick himself.
It speaks volumes when 90% of a fandom says they âidentifyâ with a character thatâs nihilistic, self-aggrandizing, self-centered, self-destructive, alcoholic, morally corrupt, selfish, apathetic, and just downright more toxic than venusâs atmosphere...
@Kos 291 "And the funny thing is, those fans are more like Jerry irl." and yet if you actually agree with most of ricks themes you still couldn't convince anyone and hear exactly this line as response
EmpLemon's wrong on this one. Rick and Morty is pretty bad. Its 'comedy' is terribly pretentious with Dan Harmon and Justin Roiland self inserting their weird fetishes.
@Sacha Daenens THANK YOU! People love identifying themselves with "cool", edgy, villainous characters regardless of how antithetical they are to them irl. People like Rick because they want to be (or in more deluded cases, think they already are) like Rick. What they fail to realize is just being miserable and having no morals doesn't make you intelligent, or cool. And that no matter how intelligent they may (or may not) actually be, they will never be 1/1000th as smart or innovative as Rick, and thus never actually experience any of the insane adventures that Rick has (obviously). And because of that, they don't actually have the same basis or justification for their nihlistic worldview. They're just emulating him like sheep.
Some people may just relate to how flawed he is rather than to how he is an incomparable genius, how simply being 'smart' doesn't explain or even explain his choices, and even how Rick's hatred to materialism and human tendencies provides just that; a very material and human ego. It provides a very flawed, and in essence, human character, albeit very highly exaggerated.
@Nonya Biizwacs You're just strawmanning now. When did I say that they were teaching something or that people need them to grow up? I simply defended people saying they could empathise and find characters relatable. I said they gave relatable traits and circumstances. Again, Bojack horseman with growing up when you feel it sucks and it won't get better. Rick with feeling like you can't be tested to the best of your abilities and you just tune out the "mediocrity" you perceive. It's why heaps of smart kids fail at school or just burn out. Walter White is a great example of feeling you wasted your life and want to live in fantasy land. He had an opportunity to solve his cancer in like the fifth episode but didn't take it. Not because if pride but because he wanted to be a drug lord.
@Nonya Biizwacs This isn't big brain language. These are words you learn in the seventh grade. Not my fault you were homeless either. You're just trying to insult my character now since you can't argue against my point. Read a book.
@Nonya Biizwacs Being homeless didn't factor into anything at all either. This is a YouTube comment section argument. If I'm wrong, prove it. Make a valid argument against what I said. I don't have to agree it just has to be valid.
@Nonya Biizwacs and again, they are not life lessons. That's like saying the fact a character doesn't like ice cream is a life lesson for being able to not like things. These are character traits and story elements that people can understand with basic reading comprehension.
rick is the only character i know that is like me, i am also a selfish emotionally-apathetic nihilist with no morality. the difference is i am not a genius and also would not have a family (dont want one) and would have upgraded myself endlessly to become a super AI to figure out how to delete all of reality or stop existing.
@Rodrigo People have trouble understanding that a vocal minority isnt actually representative of the overall group. Kinda the main issue with human beings, we have a tendency to categorize people based on a couple of interests/traits/features we learn about them, then draw conclusions about the other 99% of their personality from our views of the group we categorized them into.
Evolutionarily speaking that shit works, a hyena is pretty much always going to be a real bastard to run into, the last time I ate that berry I shat myself for 2 days, might be a good idea to not eat that berry again. We just have trouble with nuance and not knowing stuff, so our brains happily pretend to know stuff about people instead so we feel better.
Sacha Daenens the only difference between a Rick and a Jerry is confidence & competence. Aside from that, theyâre basically the same, which probably explains why Rick hates Jerry so damn much.
Nonya Biizwacs Moral Orel was amazing, it was way better written than Rick and Morty. Btw Clay is a great character but heâs a terrible person who you shouldnât identify with
I enjoy the show quite a bit, Iâm not going to conventions or buying merch, but i enjoy the absurdism and anti-humor.
I like all the characters except for Jerry, because I can relate to Jerry. I donât enjoy looking at a reflection of my own mediocrity. I often see myself as petty, cowardly, sycophantic, and frequently donât feel in control of my own life. But anyone whoâs worked as an adult has some Jerry in them. Everyone has felt imposter syndrome, everyone has felt lazy, dumb, and petty. I think thatâs part of what makes Rick and Morty a good show, at least the early seasons.
@Horpus Corpus i donât think it was the fandom they were trying to protect but rather the show. I am sure you are just trolling anyhow but I donât get how people can be so negative over something so subjective, even the people you initially replied to lol.
@Meister Proper spreading the word to save others from watching it. Tbh I don't know how anyone can watch a show written by a guy who has sex with toy babies.
Exactly. Creators themselves have said Rick is not an idol. Theyâre only Rick on the internet. Theyâre Jerryâs in denial. And ironically, Jerry is about the only one closer to a role model on there. Heâs just a normal guy wanting to live a normal life
I think people relate to the fact that he is confused about the knowledge he has, he is in a massive existential crisis, Rick is a relatable character when going through your own existential crisis
It's what's going to spawn a generation of kids who are underachievering as a result and usally that mindset to identify with will result in substance abuse. This show does not capture the horrors of being an alcoholic, it's romanticized in the show which is often how nihilism views substance abuse. Since the belief is the world is messed up so what's the point will result in being a young adult who's not improving their life and making it far worse, often destroying their bodies which will make it harder to become sober after realizing the destruction you caused.....
Please don't look at life like this guys. You need a balanced life! Good comment, for an amazing video!!
People expect way too much from this show. Just watch it if you want, and enjoy it. If you don't, hey that's cool too. Don't. Who cares. In the end, we can ALL agree that the fandom is cancer. Maybe if we all ignore it hard enough, it'll go away someday.
The first episode of season 5 is free on youtube. It was really entertaining to watch, imo. I'm excited for the rest of season 5, and whatever else is to come.
Well you have to realize that a lot of them are kids. Actual children. The show may be for adults, but I can guarantee that a majority of the viewers are kids. Adult Swim is on Cartoon Network. It is like "aspirational programming" makes kids feel like they are mature. I watched family guy and adult swim as a kid
My attitude when it comes to shows, music and other media I enjoy (to paraphrase one of the best taglines Iâve ever heard):
âIf these things arenât your favorite, thatâs great. Itâs just my silly personal opinion, and Iâm biased so take this with a pinch of salt.â
Agreed it is sad that it parodies so many great things and then makes these gross fake fans who have nor fun laughing at people who enjoy the real thing over their lame trendy pandering show
I already saw this "dysfunctional family" part of the show when I started watching it for a while, I pretty much like and appreciate everything about the show from the silly jokes to the cleverly thought out concepts. I'm a fan of the show itself although I'm not a part of the fandom, I just enjoy the show as is and separate the fandom from it as to not ruin my personal experience.
Sometimes i think its best for some shows to not end up on adult networks (since they could potentially end up like FG and AD) however GF definitely is a exception because a lot of good potential was held back because of disney
@Fallen Phoenix that's kind of the problem with writers, artists, illustrators and animators in general these days. Sometimes it seems to me that 60% of then let politics come before their art. It's really sad because this happens to so many amazingly creative people. I think SU is just a consequence of this problem in art.
eh i kinda disagree, partially because i wouldnât have found it as a kid, but also i think it couldâve been another situation like this one where a show overstays its welcome. itâs perfect the way it is.
@modernmalls gravity falls ended after 2 seasons on Alex Hirsch's decision. Disney wanted him to make more, but he refused. I don't think it being on Adult Swim would change how the ending and episode amount was done
Remember everybody: Nobody likes nihilism. Not even Nietzsche liked nihilism, and he wrote the book on it. In fact, he said humanity should and must find a way to rise above it and find the things in your life worth believing in. Take his advice, don't be a Rick.
I think you have a different definition of nihilism than Nietzsche. We're talking about the guy that wrote "We must imagine Sisyphus to be happy", right?
@awkwardcultism That is Camus. And Camus said that because Sisyphus didn't have to deal with the existential angst of... existence because he always had something to do. Intrinsically, for Camus life is suffering (it is an existential axiom after all), but you can make the best of it if you take that suffering to be the way for happiness or meaning itself.
And Nietzsche's "god is dead" quote is precisely about what Xylas is talking of. He believed that, having gone past through religion, the modern man would have to deal with horrors. Nietzsche said "What was holiest and mightiest of all that the world has yet owned has bled to death under our knives; who will wipe this blood off us?" Doesn't sound triumphant to me.
And that right there is why BoJack is 100 times more emotionally mature than Rick and Morty. I mean, I like both shows but there's no denying the former is far superior.
There is meaning to this world, you give it meaning but thatâs only whatâs important to you not that thereâs anything wrong with that. Existence doesnât have to be pian, life is a gift, donât be so ungrateful to say âI give upâ. Learn to grow and change for the better and improve yourself when you get the chance. The world doesnât revolve around us, things can move on without us and thatâs ok. This planet and itâs nature has billions of creatures and things with their own purpose to keep its world ticking. Just appreciate what you have right now in the moment but also work for a better future. The biggest lie I have ever heard is nothing has a âpurpose or meaningâ.
JoeRingo118 thanks for saying that. Iâm just pointing out the idea of nothing having purpose or value being bs. But your right, personal value is something you give and assign to things, you donât have to be scared to do that.
Laszlo, the finest mind of his generation thatâs a smart way to look at it, I just donât like the idea of living your whole life with that philosophy.
Taoism is the greatest antidote I have found. If You read a good translation of the Tao Te Ching by Lao Tzu (the founder of Taoism) and not feel changed after, keep reading it, it is simple and percise for the majority of it. I reccomend the Jane English translation. Truly life changing. Its like the swiss army knife of philosophy, just know when to read it literally and when to see it as metaphor and you will get it. Making that distinction is pretty easy with this text too.
Falling into the negative side of Nihilism can be a dangerous trap, yes, the universe and life itself are meaningless and pointless in the grand scheme of things, that's something we'll never be able to change or control, and that's exactly why we shouldn't dwell on that thought for too long, accepting life's lack of meaning is the first step towards giving YOUR life meaning, fuck the universe, fuck being a spec of dust in the grand scheme of things, if nothing has value then I'll give it a value myself, life isn't happiness and rainbows 24/7, but it doesn't have to be a dark hole either.
Negative nihilism and positive nihilism are not the same. Schopenhauer was a negative nihilism, in that the only way he believed the Will could be conquered was through death. At his core, he's pessimistic and longed for death.
However, Nietzsche is a positive nihilist who's philosophy was that no inherent meaning in the universe resulted in letting us create meaning for ourselves.
As jreg put it: DON'T đ CALL đ YOURSELF đ AN đ ANARCHO đ NIHILIST đ IF đ YOU đ BELIEVE đ IN đ ANARCHY đ OR đ NIHILISM đ
@Laszlo, the finest mind of his generation Does that actually work for you? Or do you just hope it will work but then it doesn't really? Genuine question.
Because in reality most people who like nihilism are not actual nihilist, just bored middle class people with actual life and easy access to basic human luxuries. True nihilists don't even give two shit about the world especially some animated TV show for mature audience. Even the true nihilist writer that wrote nihilist stories and actual nihilist irl never become mainstream because his stories are hard to swallow. Meanwhile Nietzche wasn't a true nihilist and even trying to reverse the damage the book caused to public.
@Laszlo, the finest mind of his generation and this is the best example of people who claimed to be nihilistic but not. Just because you read books about nihilism suddenly you're a nihilist. This is the equivalent of a girl who just returned from 3 months long "spiritual journey" from Italy, India and Bali, and return home thinking she's the best philosopher in the world because she ate some pasta and pizza with fresh ingredients, doing some basic yoga and getting a tan in a beach.
@JoeRingo118 so if it's all about avoiding nihilism, then why people still claim that they're nihilist as their philosophy when it's not even considered one by Nietzche? If philosophy is based on how people creating value on something does it mean they indeed turning nihilism into a philosophy even when in their life they never a nihilist?
I bet most people here (including me) never experience true nihilistic moment. Meanwhile people who actually experienced true nihilism very rarely share it to other people or they're dead. All I see are Middle class people bored with their mundane life with easy access to affordable luxuries, like watching a cartoon people think it's the smartest show in the world, weirdly written by average minds.
@Kos 291 there's two types of nihilism: existential and universal. I don't remember who proposed the existential, but he said that religion gives meaning to man and it is necessary to him. The universal is Nietzsche's nihilism, as you said, everyone who really experienced is dead or had depression.
I don't get how people who think that nothing matters don't realise that that attitude also doesn't matter. Harmon almost got it right at 13:10 (the sentiment was there, but he justified it from a utilitarian perspective as opposed to a nihilistic one). If you truly believe that nothing matters, then you should also believe that that belief doesn't matter, and that any "path" you choose is just as valid as that one. It's almost as if they're cherry picking what does and doesn't matter. What I also don't like is the people who over-correct themselves by rejecting nihilism and embracing xyz. To me, they're no different to the religious zealots (the fundamentalist-christian types) who reject all other ways of thinking and parade theirs as better.
I don't know where I'm going with this and who I heard this from, but there was an academic/philosopher who said that they approached everything with "infinite doubt" which was supposed to mean that they challenged every thought that they had with every possible criticism from logical fallacies to cognitive biases. I don't do this because I cant be fucked familiarising myself with all the logical fallacies and cognitive biases, but what I do do is I accuse myself of being a stinge cunt through accusations like "You're over-correcting yourself", "You only think this because you're [insert any negative trait like selfishness, narcissism, etc]", "You're generalising", and "You only think that because you don't want to admit that you're a bad person" and then rebut those accusations til I get bored. I guess what I'm tryna say is: People should do that.
@the Harvard Yard Now, let's look at this world leader. pans to Hitler Uptight, high-strung, always angry, pay close attention to the "I really want to take over the world to satisfy the gaping void in my soul" button. These are all the markings of a bad world leader. If you want to be a good world leader, always remember this handy acronym: People Overthrow Oppressive Politicians
@134Cerky "There is meaning to this world, you give it meaning" ... well in my eyes we are all just a bunch of cells with electric pulses and chemicals floating aorund. family means nothing to me since why should it? just other humans that happen to be realated to me. i know that everything i do, be it sex, eating food, playing games ist just my desire for chemicals in my brain. i wish i could live without social interactions because i know that it's just something our brains are wired to do. there is nothing really special about it. there is nothing special to anything in my life. and i tried multiple times to see more... to see that stuff that other people seem to see. is it just my autism, who knows... but it's only about 3000 weeks (about 60 years) at most until this shitshow is finally over, so at least there's that
Chris aka Schulbus Well the way you view the world is based a lot around your mindset. You are lucky to even have eyes or a brain to think with, so what if itâs chemicals and cells? Thatâs just how they work, that doesnât take away from itâs worth. It seems to me that you might be taking all of this for granted. Iâd say your life is special, no one is exactly the same, we can think alike but thatâs not the same thing. Though there are urges or temptations we get from certain experiences we can reject them if we choose and we donât do everything for the soul reason that we feel them.
@134Cerky "Iâd say your life is special" and if everyone's special... you know the phrase.
i still don't see the meaning or worth of it all. the reason i'm here is because my parents had sex. and i'm one amongst billions on a sandcorn floating through space. maybe i should be happy to be born at all... thrown into all that shit i had to go through just to be here with no good future outlook.
i really am trying to understand why other humans think and feel like they do, it feels so damn alienating to not understand it.
@Chris aka Schulbus So sorry to get in the middle of all this, but I found your comments fascinating. Does it really matter how you were made into this world? Or, that you're one of many lifeforms within this planet? It seems that you have taken into account the logical idea for human beings but not the emotional idea. Both are equally important to human living (I had to learn that the hard way). Like the commenter who was replying to you before, even if emotion is just chemicals in your brain (something like that), it doesn't mean that the value of emotion loses any of its weight.
I have one last question for you, if you genuinely do feel sad that you can't understand people, why not make that your meaning? This is a question you don't need to apply to. As long as you have an answer to it is what's important. Whether that answer is negative or positive is up to you.
Sorry again, but this conversation was too good to pass up. To learn, hell, just to theorize what other people think, it's truly the greatest wonder in the world.
@Gabriel Sanchez i am not really sad that i can't understand how other people think and feel... it's just like i said, really alienating.
but usually i don't make this my biggest problem, since there are many other things that don't go that well right now.
and no, it doesn't matter that much how or why i'm here, it's just hard finding any kind of real meaning to it.
but i actually didn't want to go that much offtopic, it was more about the idea that i see many things i think and feel in rick and morty... it really speaks to many thoughts and opinions i have about this existence.
@Chris aka Schulbus Ah, I understand. Thank you for replying anyways. As I stated before, I personally love talking about mindsets and all that. I enjoy watching Rick and Morty, but there isn't really a whole lot of other philosophies that come through that show (well, too much in depth). Again, thank you for replying, I'm now going to be searching for other interesting conversations I can meddle in.
@Gabriel Sanchez it's pretty much the core philosophy of the show... of course i do understand what dan harmon said with "knowing that nothing matters, while it might be true, doesn't get you anywhere" or something along those lines.
"I'm now going to be searching for other interesting conversations I can meddle in." if you're doing this on youtube it could be hard tho find some, but they do exist ;)
Yeah to add to this. Nietzsche was a v pessimistic philosopher, but he was also staunchly against nihilism, his concept of the ubermensch was partly made to counteract it. As that in itself as a meaning as from him no one has achieved ubermensch yet.
Personally I think anyone who leans on nihilism in their beliefs rely on a mute point to stop abstract and logical thought, which is why imo it's usually teenagers who talk about it
@EvanPlaysPc "Personally I think anyone who leans on nihilism in their beliefs rely on a mute point to stop abstract and logical thought" ... but i think it's exactly logic and rational thought that makes me so pessimistic and non-caring. or do i interpret your comment wrong?
@Chris aka Schulbus nihilism, like every philosophical outlook, comes from rational and abstract thought, you're right there, but to claim that's the only logical conclusion from these mental tools would be false.
Nihilism is a full-stop on growth in theories and logic, by acknowledging nihilism then you just abandon any potential growth around that. Nihilism is a state of inertia that would doom us were we all to embrace it
@EvanPlaysPc "but to claim that's the only logical conclusion from these mental tools would be false." that might be true, yet i still don't see any rational and objective reason to care about or embrace those other philosophies, maybe if i'm generous "we need them because humanity would probably go extinct"
@Chris aka Schulbus apologies, I deleted my first message as I misread your reply.
Imo that response is why nihilism is a dangerous doctrine to believe in philosophy, because unlike other modes of belief, it doesnt grow with your knowledge, instead it corrodes your other beliefs through it's very idea. While i don't agree with nihilism, I do agree to believe that it actively hurts a desire to learn more about the world
EvanPlaysPc I agree, Iâd say thatâs a problem with it. Itâs idea that nothing matters or has any value is discouraging and doesnât really tell you to grow or learn anything.
@Chris aka Schulbus No it isn't. Sounds like you've just been sheltered from bad feelings and when you experience them it's overwhelming. Happiness is a pendulum, you will forever move from Happiness to sadness because that is the nature of chaos. All things must have equilibrium.
@YourPalHDee how do you come to the conclusion that i've been sheltered from bad feelings? the crap has always overpowered the good stuff in my life... all the work, for not even half as much fun. and i'm wrong because i don't think that there is more to this existence? "why are you right?" would be my question towards you
@Chris aka Schulbus humanity still existing is the proof. I dunno what you mean by "one of those guys" I'm just telling you my opinion it hope to help. I can tell you from my own experiences of depression and hopelessness, the ONLY alternative to suicide is to keep trying. There's no other options and suicide is utterly pointless. If religions are to be believed then suicide is a sin and you will go to hell, if you don't believe in an afterlife, then you are cutting short your single opportunity of existing as conscious life for eternity of non-existence. Life is almost impossible, you've beaten the odds and you somehow get to exist as a living, breathing, conscious being, you should respect that and try to make it matter as much as possible. Life for most is an endless pursuit of meaning, but even if we never find that meaning, in the pursuit we find purpose.
@YourPalHDee maybe i'm too rational for "in the pursuit we find purpose."... is this the same kind of thinking like "it's about the journey"?
and no, suicide and keep trying are not the only options, the third one is just accepting it. i only have at most 3000 weeks (about 60 years) and then this is finally over, there is no need for suicide or keep trying.
maybe i can at some point live life like other people, no matter how irrational and unimportant it is.
@Z1LL4 JR when did i say that it was the worlds fault? the world just is what it is... but i see you are a person of high intellect the way you approach this subject.
if i didn't add anything to the discussion, you actually subtracted something from it.
thank you for your meaningful input, anything else you wanna share? ^^
@Z1LL4 JR So you're gonna immediately turn to mockery and insults to try proving a point, but insist that other people are acting like children? Seems a bit hypocritical, no?
@ĐČĐ°Đ»Đ”ĐœĐŸĐș I don't think we need to go that far quite yet. Even if we did, I don't think neutrino bombs are ready. We'll have to delay that plan until they're done. /j
Watching this now after the first 3 episodes of Season 5, I think theyâre getting back on track. Focusing more on the family and Rick seeming less like a god. I think they need to input more direction on story / consequences but overall they are doing better than both season 3 & 4.
can i just jump into season 5 from s2? I tried to watch s3 and some bits of 4 but i just couldn't bear it. Do i need to follow some plot or just get right into the new eps?
@Raymundo GonzĂĄlez You should probably watch the first episode of season 3 and the âricklantisâ episode. Those 2 are important. Maybe the season 3 finale too (the episode kinda sucks) but it sets up the season 4 finale. And speaking of season 4, the finale is basically the only episode that matters to the story. Thereâs some episodes that are enjoyable but not story important.
Iâm here after the 4th episode of season 5, basically the sperm episode, and Iâm so disappointed honestly. I know they can do better than 22 minutes of sperm and incest jokes. So dissatisfying.
@Vape Lord Yoda Canadian online cinematheatre showed 7th episode instead of 4th. And the episode is one big parody of power rangers with this giant robots from separate smaller robots. But it roboferrets, idk why, but it is
Update for episode 5: Going downhill, very mediocre. I just donât know whatâs wrong with them. Just a unremarkable episode I will never care to rewatch again.
@Luis Castro Yes you are right lol they really mislead me with the first episode. 70% of the season felt so lazy and didnât feel like Rick and Morty.
@Raymundo GonzĂĄlez Please do yourself a favor and at least watch the Ricklantis Mixup. It's actually incredibly well done and totally stands out from the rest of Season 3 and 4.
The fact "wubba lubba dub dub" means "I am in great pain, please help me" manages to capture all of the shows greatest strengths and weaknesses simultaneously.
And almost completely killed the show in the process. I'm not sure how they are going to pull it back from the gravitational singularity that is the incest baby.
@CryoraptorA303TM honestly? I forgot it even happened until the ferret episode. And I assumed they were ripping on themselves by making a new pickle Rick. Thatâs how I interpreted it anyway
@Kebab kebob Nope, of course it was not a " disaster " for me, it was one of the best seasons of all since the third one. The jokes are amazing, the themes and parodies... it was a phenomenal season! = )
To be fair, as cringe the memes are, I absolutely LOVED pickle rick, it's the embodiment of what I would come up with in my dreams as a teenager, I think the Dr. Wong scene was very bold, the criticism 100% valid but I think the sheer suddeness of it being LITERALLY portraided boldly and exactly how it is was quite funny and interesting, and to them then awkwardly just disregarding it in the car to me ressembled how people disregard psychology as a science in general. I think it does not get enough credit.
to this day i still dont understand how The Boondocks wasnt more loved and viewed, it had great characters, really funny comedy, and extremly good political commentary that made fun and critized basically everyone, just like south park does
Do you really want to have the same fate happened to The Boondocks? On top of that a lot of those type of people who want to be trendy miss the actual point of The Boondocks cartoon series and the comics.
The Boondocks had an issue of audiences seeing it as "that black show", if you're in a room of mixed races and bring up the Boondocks, it's really obvious to see who watched it and who didn't
Honestly the way Emp described Rick's relation to the fandom really reminded me of all the pseudorevolutionists who look to Huey. Huey is similar in the fact that he is thematically the "straight man" in the show while not really being a "straight man" himself. And with the general climate and reaction to criticism of any aspect of black culture nowadays, I'm really worried about how the new reboot is gonna turn out
The Boondocks didn't have the same widespread appeal as something like Rick and Morty. Mainly it's because The Boondocks deals heavily with a lot of cultural and political issues while leaning pretty far left, which I and many others enjoy and admire about The Boondocks, but it doesn't appeal to as large of an audience as the merchandising gold mine of stoners and reddit users that Rick and Morty struck a huge chord with. The anime art style also appealed to a more niche audience around the time The Boondocks was airing. Rick and Morty is arguably the Adult Swim show with the most marketable art style.
@Bryan Conrad Learn to read. I said "also", meaning, thats definitely a possible contributing factor but not the only reason. And as usual, those who are first to call someone else "low IQ" prove themeselves to be the ones with low IQ themselves.
@Tiger Festivals i think youre severely overestimating how much of "contributing" factor having the n word in quotes would be, in fact i think it made it more popular
@William Shaughnessy The fact that the Boondocks was always very left leaning is enough of a reason for it not to do well. Trump won for a reason. Same reason he's going to win again.
@Bryan Conrad considering the current climate of the internet, The boondocks will most likely be the world's most controversial show just for saying nigga a bunch of time
@Deadliest Vice Watching South Park after season 10 is the funniest shit cause a lot of those episodes have not aged well at all. There's an episode that focuses on 2006-2008 memes
bocodamondo It really didnât make fun of everyone.
Huey generally portrayed Huey as being the best at everything. He was very often proven correct about most things he said, and is rarely called out for things he did.
The show also goes through extreme seasonal rot, just like Rick and Morty did.
For a good example, go and watch the episode where Tom is first introduced. The show portrays the people criticizing Tom for having a white wife, as being in the wrong, and shows that at the end of the day, Tom has a happy life with a loving family. The next season, the show acts like Tom is stupid to have ever even married her, as it heavily implies that she cheated on him with Obama.
The show completely changes all of its stances on Tom after his first episode.
I get it, Tom is meant to be the other side of âUncle Tomâ to Uncle Ruckus, but the show in season 2 forward, treats him like he deserves to be punished, for living his life how he wants, even though heâs hurting no one.
There are just a lot of issues the show has after season 1. Season 4 is just when all the issues finally crystallize, and come to the forefront.
I really love season 1. And itâs sad that after season 1, the show stopped caring about having genuine conversations, and started focusing more on episodes solely about pop culture parodies, and fight scenes.
William Shaughnessy The problem for the show was that it leaned left yet maintained black culture and ripped on a lot of people on the left, people on the left typically arenât edgy and are snowflakes to put it bluntly, so saying words like âniggaâ isnât going to go well with that audience, and it isnât going to go well with the more right wing edgy audience that watches adult swim because it is left leaning, the show died because it doesnât have a niche as a political and social show.
@Kyrem 12 I got called racist once for liking the Boondocks as a tiny white girl but bro. It's made by a black guy. Let him have creative freedom. If you would let them scream the n word in Blazing Saddles, then why not The Boondocks.
boondocks is 100 times better then any episode of the boring sci-fi pop culture reference garbage that is rick and morty. Waaaaaaay better animated too. Rick and Morty doesn't have any really deep messages about life, politics, race. It never makes you really think unless your a 15 year old who thinks that "Whoa dude were all just like dust and nothing matters" is incredible commentary on human existence.
@William Shaughnessy man I never liked any anime art or show but the Boondocks combination of that art with everything else grabbed me and never let go. I really miss that show, only one I ever sat down to watch episode premieres of.
@Deadliest Vice im glad someone else is mentioning this. Im not afraid to admit i laugh hard at the new south park seasons when they're new, im not exactly a comedy conaisseur. Its great to see someone take a piss out of the current bs going on around you. But rewatching them even a year out of their original release, they feel weird dated and irrelevant. I can only imagine how confused someone will be watching them 10 years down the line. South Park's new seasons just arent gonna age well but i dont think the writers really care. It isnt zombified like simpsons but its really not gonna have much of an impact in the future.
@soundofspace did you watch "Nigga Moment"? How about the episode where MLK came back to life? A lot of these episodes put fault in the black people themselves as having a damaging, antisocial, and flawed culture
The Boondocks is a dangerous show. Its a comedy, and that is why it is dangerous. If one watches it without the correct life experience/perspective or without the correct mindset going in to it they can retrieve extremely wrong, problematic messages from the show. Imagine if you got someone like Ben Shapiro to watch the Boondocks, it would just confirm all of the surface level biases that he has about the black community in the first place without causing him to feel compelled to have any reflective thoughts at all, remaining completely ignorant of the shows greater themes and messages because the nuance within most of the jokes is completely lost on someone who has been raised outside of the black community. I'm black and I'm happy I've seen the Boondocks and wish more black people would watch it. But other races and people of different life experience have the increased burden of really educating themselves before or while they are watching it to avoid falling into the the trap of bias confirmation.
Actaully Boondocks is a great comparison to Rick and Morty. Both shows are cleverly written, with the main characters being satirical view of social issues.
Riley written was a impressionable young kid, who was suppose to represent the self destructive nature gangster culture can cause on youth who want to mimic gangster behaviour. There are people who unironically follow the ideas of Riley, the same way people claim to be "just like Rick"
Best thing tho? The show is returning with the original creators and writers behind the wheel. It is a show that is desperately needed in today's extremely toxic political discourse
It was loved and viewed. That is why it is coming back. It only went because the creator, Aaron, left. The last series had nothing to do with him and it showed.
Stop trying to be a hipster. It is really dumb.
And it didn't critisize everyone. At times it was a little preachy and needed more humility. It also couldve done with talking more about toxic culture within African American society... Such as the massive hoomophobia and transphobia. They attacked R Kelly but not Snoop ... Which is funny given snoops twitter and insta rants about gays, trans people and female rappers. Calling one a dyke.
South Park is actually more like modern day fables. Ever hear of a dude named Aesop? Now the dude created all these fables, or compiled them. You will have heard of some of them... Like the boy whom cried wolf. South Park is the same... Boondocks isn't. Boondocks is racially centered. South Park is human centered. It tackles way way way way more issues than Boondocks. When has boondocks challenged the catholic church about confession and communion? When has boondocks attacked social media and trolls? When has boondocks mocked the UK royal family? When has boondocks talked about transgender people? When has it used pets to preach acceptance of homosexual people?
Honestly you have to be an idiot to think the two are anywwhere near the same. That is like saying "oh yeah, wine gums are just like polish vodka" or like saying "yeah Hot Wheels are just as fast as a McClarren p1"
Didn't the writer leave and it got taken over by mediocre team after? Never bothered sticking with s3 and 4, seemed like it lost something along the way
its always annoying to see these enlightened centrists, even anti-leftists praise the boondocks as a show that "criticizes everyone", when people seem to entirely forget that the show's criticism are through the lens of a leftist worldview which makes perfect sense given mcgruder's politics.
Nick Armitt did you just use the word âtransphobiaâ unironically? See this is why even if I cared about boondocks I wouldnât want it to come back lol
The boondocks was "too black" at the time for mass appeal. There probably wasn't a hard enough push from marketers to make it more popular because it was "that black show", it was produced for a smaller platform and was probably rejected from fox for being "that black show", and it is still known by most people as "that black show". And most people just weren't interested as a result. That's the problem.
And yeh, the N word was not a problem, lol. I think the "N word" could be seen as, if anything, representing the main "problem" which was the blackness of the show.
@shizz I was quite skeptical when I started reading your comment but you really made an excellent point. For example, I've seen so many ppl claiming Ruckus as "the best character"? Like sure, he does have great (tho problematic) quotes. But as funny and ridiculous he can be, as a black person I have hard time seeing how you can genuinely think of him as such a good character (let alone better than most) when he often add so little to the story and has absolutely no character arc whatsorver. He's just the embodiement of every incel alt right troll out there. But at least as a black person you'll have the percepective and "life experience" required to take a step back and see the bigger picture in his saying.
However if as a white person the best thing you took out of this show is the only black character that think like a white supremacist... then I feel like there's good chance ur watching it for the wrong reasons.
@Energetic Yellow There's no such thing as wrongthink. There is, however, the reality of having a flawed outlook/thought process. My comment simply pointed out that in order to understand the artistic intentions behind the boondocks and what those artistic qualities reflect in the real world, one should try to understand the community which it refers to. Understand, the good, the bad, and the ugly as the show so beautifully exemplifies. If you saw my comment as trying to play the role of thought-police then you are mistaken my friend.
@Tiger Festivals I mean you just gotta know your audience. I had some really lax black friends that didn't have an issue with me quoting Stinkmeaner, and with other people I don't know as well, it's not hard to quote around the n words, or other lines that didn't have any. It wasnt just non-stop n-words
Boondocks has to be one of the funniest shows ever, but since McGruder left it wasn't the same in season 4. And even now that grandad died in real life (I forget the actors name) there's no chance of a revival, which is sad because these past couple of years would have been great material to base the show on.
Could you imagine Uncle ruckus with Trump, shit would be legendary
@HueyDavisX My understanding from white viewers liking Ruckus is they know he's an obvious "Uncle Tom" and that allows non black viewer to laugh at him without feeling bad about it.
He's a completely one-dimensional character with absolutely no controversy for any audience member. They don't need to think about him. He's "just an Uncle Tom" and "not really black."
Nevermind the irony of that whole statement and how the accusation of "Uncle Tom " is a pretty self-destructive shut-down, that doesn't matter. Non-black viewers don't need to consider their own prejudices, or the flaws of the black community when they see Uncle Ruckus.
Another I noticed when Boondocks comes up is most people who aren't black don't just see it as "That black show" but also as some sort homework style social obligation. This is especially true among white liberals.
"If you don't watch Boondocks you're racist and don't appreciate black humor."
So they watch it as "assigned social homework" and take away Uncle Ruckus from it because he's the easiest part of the assignment to pay attention to.
@Tiger Festivals Boondocks is the only animated drama I know that had and used the n word pass to the full extent. Tbh watching it as a young teens I loved the show but holy fuck did I not internally cringe because of that being basic white weeb boi. Still looking back I really appreciate that show and what it set out to do.
@FBadge yeah i had one specific black friend in college who was also a fan who didn't mind me quoting it, but it's not something i could just quote around anyone lol. I would still reccomend the show to people since i think it's genuinely funny and well made for the most part. Edit: and yeah its not hard to quote around it, but many of the funny quotes include it so you have to pick and choose.
@shizz very well said, its almost too many levels of reference above the amount that most folk who arent black are likely to engage with / understand and if you just watched it at surface level you'd miss out a lot of the sarcastic / ironic points
It was too controversial, and too political. It made fun of people you aren't allowed to make fun of. I don't agree with everything it said but I still appreciate what it had to say, but it's fucked that they're censoring it now.
@QuickShot I think it mostly appeals to the edgy left or "dirtbag", those that are left socially and economically but who dislike idpol as it is commonly used on Twitter and so forth. An example of someone who embodies that idea would be Vaush. There is a divide opening up between those who like the idpol/cancel culture stuff and those who don't even if they have basically the same political beliefs.
The Boondocks wasn't more loved and viewed because Season 4 happened. Should've stopped at season 3. Every show has a peak and a consistency, and then that period where it drops off permanently without ever reaching that overall consistently good level ever again. Happened with the Simpsons after season 7 (when it peaked, it lowered slowly after that; debatable when it became overall bad, but many say season 9 and onwards). Happened with Family Guy after season 5 or so. Happened with South Park in the season prior to the Hillary/Trump season. And it happened to Rick & Morty after season 2. Season 3 was worse than the first 2, and season 4 was even worse than that. It's not going to recover, because no show in history has ever recovered from a 2 season lapse that severe, especially if they're animated. This isn't one that has any signs for being the exception.
Even though it was satire on todays society it was still the truth which is something people have a hard time dealing with Mcgruder said as much when he left
@SPARKYREVENGE // No need to get into whose struggle is worse, mate. From Jewish people to black people to Latin America, humankind in general has had it pretty fucked up.
I think you forget how the premises that The Boondocks has been built on is culture specific and not universal. It's a product of US American sub culture, which means it would be very difficult to market it outside of the US because the focus is not relatable to 95% of the world, and almost every episode would require further explanation if the people watching aren't not only familiar with US American pop culture, but also sub culture and history.
Rick & Morty focuses on family dynamics, which is a near universal theme, so the grounds for success were already much more stable for the show in comparison.
Because itâs a black show.... Boondocks is popular in the black community but the black community donât do weird fandom they just watch and like it so thatâs why you donât have a big hype about it
Boondocks started airing in 2005. That was before Twitter. Before Tumblr. Heck, before YouTube. Social media was still in its infancy. It had not completely consumed people's lives yet.
I feel like things like Twitter and Reddit were essential to Rick & Morty becoming what it has become. Heck, R&M didn't have this crazy fandom until Season 3 in 2017, three years after Boondocks' last episode aired. Prior to that, the fandom for Seasons 1 and 2 weren't all that different from the fandoms behind other adult swim shows.
For one a lot of its humor/jokes and references were those of its time. If you know what I mean, a lot of the humor still aged well now but it was a 2000s show at its peak.
@ct3000 that's true. The culture got more black dominant and time went on , hence more people recognize it. I wasnt into black culture like that for a while.
@intheory32 I still am very unknowledgeable when it comes to black culture but I'm trying to learn more everyday, I started watching more black comedy, doing my own research, and taking a hip hop culture class at my college and I have to say it's been very eye opening.
@intheory32 Thank you for saying this. I already kind of had this epiphany when listening to excessive amounts of hip hop in order to seem "cool," what I discovered that I do infact enjoy certain hip hop artists especially from the early 90s like biggie smalls and ice tea, yet when I was listening to mumble rap and trap I really wasn't enjoying myself or the music so I went back to my comfort zone of fast metal and video game music. Everything you've said is completely true and at some points I really was forcing myself to enjoy content I couldn't relate to. However boondocks is an outlier, I love the show, the characters, and the comedy on a personal level. It's not a perfect show, I feel the uncle ruckus joke although well used in the episode about him his cameos we're frequently unfunny an disrupting to the plot. I also think that the show started with a greater focus on Huey's life and later that shifted for both better and worse. In the I end I feel that boondocks would've been more successful now than when it came out, but I still enjoyed it as the show it was without being black.
@ct3000 ya boon docks was somewhat down near the end, the guy who started the show had to leave before the last season. I listen to old shit too. Metal and video game music too. Nothing wrong with metal or game music, they are fun but niche. You gotta own it all. I fuck with some new shit but it ain't all that either I agree , a lot of it is trash. Personally i find the uncle ruckus the funniest. I just turned 29 so I'm prolly a bit older then you , but like I said do your own thing and dont worry about others. White guilt last decade was turned up to 11 and you dont gotta listen to that shit. I know I'm not racist but I think Ruckus is the funniest. Dont mean I'm racist it just means that I find the shit funny, nothing to get mad at. I didnt get mad when snoop dogg put on white face and made twitter videos one time as a charachter . It was pretty funny . World just too serious man. ( getting rambly again ). My advice is shut out politics and just focus on having fun with stuff. Its gonna be tough thought. Try listening to some tyler the creator, even he acknowledges that white kids like him. đ srsly tho he good. First 3 albums emo but good and the rest get out of that but show his artistry as a producer and lyricist. I dunno man .
@Maya agreed. A lot of older seasons shout, "I approached this topic with the mentality of a 12yo because I thought it was funny." They're so cringey now. Like Mr. Garrisons sex change, where once he realized he couldn't have kids he stated he was a woman with a mutilated penis. Huge yikes. Also it projects a heavily transphobic view on trans and body dismorphia.
I still like a lot of older episodes, and SP has a place in my heart, but I think it's important to be able to go back and discuss how bad older episodes are.
Still watch that show like twice a year. The reason it wasn't bigger was how often they said ***ger. That's my theory, networks just can only justify a certain amount, even if it wasn't derogatory (sometimes), it was very genuine. I miss that show.
@Rob Joe yeah just ask Seth MacFarlane how far criticizing everyone will get you. Nowhere, not even, a bunch of TV shows and millions of dollars, that's for sure... People also hate those old Dean Martin Roasts, where people just criticize and criticize, never a laugh on that show.
@Rob Joe I think the nihilism gets old for sure, but making fun of everything around you is a tried and true format for animation specifically. I think the suicide scenes lost viewers, I think the long release times between seasons lost viewers, and yes the nihilism just gets grating if you're not using it to justify something funnier than more nihilism.
@Paradox Box The reason a lot of far right people enjoy the boondocks is because they donât see past the satire, and assume that much of the humor is centered around âblack culture is stupid.â
@Tiger Festivals if your quoting something like a movie song or tv show and the black people your around have a problem with you using the N word. Should hang around different black people. đ€·đŸââïž
because its about black american culture and most people dont find it funny. everyone has their own sense of humour. i fucking loved boondocks and im not even american, nor from the ghetto. just a biracial european dude.
@Maya Calvin and Hobbes's satire and commentary aged like fine, fine wine (except for the Mars story, but we don't talk about that). It's even more relevant today than it was back then in the 90's
Boondocks cuts too close to the bone. Its stereotype-comedy is not easily understood by audiences that have no experience with the African American culture - something that the author was attempting to directly criticize. It's a liiiittle too intelligent to pick up and become a major hit, as it doesn't feature South Park-esque bouts of throwing angry swears and slurs very loudly, or the mandated room-temperature IQ that parts of Rick and Morty require.
@JERACERX I'm Chinese and I loved Boondocks back then. I've recently watched it twice and I still love it, more now than ever since I see the political background to it.
@TheUnholyOne this aged like milk, plus, Boondocks isnât left leaning- that just shows you never watched it, and based that assumption off the fact itâs black characters.
The show was criticizing both parties, and especially toxic black culture, or what is rather perceived as black culture- and obviously it spoke on racism, bigotry, and classism.
There was an episode where it made fun of Obama & The Black Vote.
The show was layered, but some, like yourself, never gave it a chance due to certain ideologies, worldviews, and political stance.
As a fan, The Boondocks is just the black version of South Park. I donât say it as a criticism, but more as to why watching the show sometimes feels jarring. To some people (and Iâm sure this was the case for anyone who watched The Boondocks for the first time), the show is very bold in its execution, and most of the comedy and moments are derived from stuff that black people can mostly relate to. Obviously the show can be enjoyed by other ethnicities and races, but TLDR the show is hard to appeal to a general audience
@Low Level Content the boondocks is extremely left leaning. Itâs precisely because of that it dunks on both parties. Someoneâs not getting the show lmao.
@Low Level Content âguys I watched a single interview so Iâm an expert on the boondocksâ Aaron Mcgruder has specifically espoused his socialism on multiple occasions. He specifically critiques both parties from a leftist perspective. Not from some âcentristâ position lmao. He wrote the show to be a black Charlie Brown. Huey is a reflection of leftist political radicals, Riley is a reflection Aaronâs view on the bling hip hop culture. Jazmine is a reflection of the experience of contemporary mixed race black people in the Americaâs. The episode âThe itisâ specifically dealt with the methods capitalist interests use to claim public land/resources/utilities The episode âThe realâ investigates the governmentâs historical and current practice of using the executive branch to investigate and even assassinate leftist political Radicals. The episode âItâs a Black President, Huey Freeman.â Directly espouses Aaron McGruders concerns about Obama through hueys objections to Obamaâs presidency. The episode specifically highlights how a lot of black people specifically at the time had no real political conciousness and were simply voting for a Obama because he was black. Aaron specifically has scenes in the episode which showed that obama was a neoliberal reinforcement of the status quo. For the creator, Obama wasnât leftist ENOUGH.
⊠But youâre the âboondocks understanderâ right?
I would watch the show while loading my flash games in the dead of night as a kid. However I never really talked to anyone about it because I wasn't sure I was allowed too and plus... I was a kid so most of the nuance went over my head. I was still in the "characters get into wacky shenanigans" mindset about every single show so I saw it as characters being characters. I was a dumb child and I think like half the audience was too and that probably effected the show that most people didn't have any clue what was actually going on.
@Bryan Conrad ik im late af to this thread but yea, no, he has a point and your missing it entirely, one of the most popular characters on boondocks bc of how extreme of a parody he is of an uncle tom type character is uncle ruckus, and he takes up quite a but of screen time, and when a GOOD portion of the jokes revolve around the use of the N word and racism and the political and social commentary surrounding it, it can be pretty hard to meme or quote, not impossible, just more difficult imo.
@Bryan Conrad No, I think he's saying it's hard to relate the show to others in a way that is authentic to its humor and context without saying that. There's certainly ways that you can, but sooner or later it's gonna crop up.
A year later I still get gamers in my notifications about this. Chris Rock and Dave Chappelle were literally the two most famous and most quoted comedians of that era. I can assure you that no one in 2007 was scared to say nigga when referencing media.
So don't worry, it wasn't time traveling SJWs that hampered boondocks. It was probably the 1am air time on a children's cartoon channel during a time before media streaming platforms were part of the norm.
@LuckoDaStars what "fate" are you talking about? do you mean being moved to hbo+ and renewed for new seasons, episodes, and the series getting brought back from death? or were you not aware the boondocks was being brought to streaming for new episodes and seasons, and thought they were dead and gone?
well, I mean, they WERE AND ARE, because the boondocks is being brought back THIS YEAR to streaming platform [hbo max I believe] with brand new episodes and pretty much the entirety of the old cast, writers, and crew.
@Bryan Conrad Hmm, that was a different time, true. Still, I can't imagine fans of the show who weren't black felt super comfortable quoting it in public locations like schools.
Scifi simply has better visuals than a down-to-earth show like the Boondacks. Would you ever see a laser gun shoot out between aliens and the same people but from different dimensions in that show? No!
It's because no one likes being criticised, so shows that only target a specific audience or broadly hit everyone with pulled punches become dominant. If you're hitting everyone with truth bombs, eventually sensitive people get tired of hearing the truth and want to go back to their fantasy.
@D I'm black, and Rick and Morty is a much better show than boondocks. It actually has great subtle commentary on loneliness and nihilism like this video says but it got out of control. Not everything has to be deep and have commentary. You definitely didn't watch Rick and Morty, your just annoyed by a subsection of the fanbase. Too bad, your loss
@Greg Castetter Highly doubt that's it. Considering how popular rap music which is filled with the N word and is popular among many groups of people. I think it's just that it's a pretty serious show with political commentary. Left leaning political commentary, and who doesn't like that? About half of the US population. The show bieng more mature also makes its audience more limited. And lastly, the fact that is for the most part considered anime by many, limits the show even more.
1) The main characters are black, and the show has a lot of cultural satire that white people might not get (especially with the internet still being in its infancy).
2) The art style was very anime inspired. Anime was heavily stigmatized back when it was airing. Those who did watch The Boondocks would be laughed at for liking an anime.
3) The show had a lot of uses of the soft n word, which made it extremely difficult to get into for white people. They would feel uncomfortable because of that, and wouldn't want to quote the show because they didn't want to say the word.
It was an amazing show, but sadly due to its nature it very heavily alienated audiences that weren't adults, black, and fans of anime. Small demographic, only ran late at night, and the viewers outside the target demographic couldn't really spread knowledge about it. Hopefully it'll make a resurgence though and people will finally recognize it as a masterpiece!
@Yeasstt I have talked to soooooo many white people who loved the show. Gotta disagree with #1.
I think it was the opposite reason. The show frequently portrayed black people poking fun at SJWs, so SJWs couldn't handle that. It wasn't about race, it was about criticizing liberal people from the left, which is forbidden by media moguls.
I haven't watched the show but form your observation I think it's just because it was a deffrent age on the internet and because it didn't bring much fantasy Not hating
Don't wanna be the one to pull " racial card here " but all characters are black. And they speak out about it with politics and issues thag happends in society within the Black community, its a hard pill to swallow for Many therefore not many want to watch a Cartoon that realistically point the issues by society from a Black Family perspective.
Its very sad that the show didn't received the love it deserved because of how well written its was! I loved the Boondocks and its very sad it had to go when it was just getting started with posting more issues and raising voice agaisnt it.
The Boondocks is to smart and nuanced for a mass audience. Better that it remain obscure and retain its artistic integrity than get stuck catering to its popularity.
I can tell you why. Because it is an American show, that talks about the society and culture of the US. I am American but was raised in Brazil, when I was 16 I came back to the US and the YouTube kept recommending me the show, so I watched, and it fucking sucks. After sometime living in the US I understood how much race is important to Americans - like, seriously, for one god damn second, please stop talking about race - I was asked about my race on school on my job interview and all. The jokes and critics that that show makes are only funny here, so it was extremely limited to the US public, differently to a lot of other shows.
@Leptus I'm Dutch never been to the US in my life and I love the show/comics (you do have a point with the comics though. Some jokes were so topical they flew right over my head)
@TheUnholyOne boondocks left leaning? LMAO boondocks made fun and ridiculed everyone, but your not alone in thinking that. I've seen left and right wingers dislike the show.
@shizz this is an excellent point and i realize your comment is a year old at this point but i just wanted to let you know you put something into words that iâve struggled with articulating and for that i thank you
I prefer Rick and morty over the boondocks because the bondocks has a specific target audience,which is Americans ig more specifically black Americans. It makes commentary on American politics while Rick and morty is mostly about philosophical ideologies and stuff that can be understood by a wider range of people not just Americans . I also think that Rick and morty has better written characters compared to the boondocks aswell but thatâs mostly opinion.Iâve tried watching the boondocks but icl I quit after the first season Iâm gonna carry on after some while but I would still prefer Rick and morty because of its creative ideas and writing.
So in short, the show had its own identity and themes that it elegantly portrayed, but halfway through, the creators got weak from the fame and abandoned their original intentions to cater to the consumer? Blimey if we haven't heard that one before. Excellent video, Emp. Always love your stuff.
I honestly love what they did with season 4 and season 5 bc now most of that iq fan base is gone, Rick is losing a lot more fights, itâs becoming less Rick and morty and more the smith family, and the writers can be more loose with it. Basically what Iâm saying is that season four rly shedded light on the fans who like only parts of the series and the others who love the entirety
I really loved a lot of Season 5. The Planetina episode in particular was a huge standout for me but holy fuck I could not at all get over how anyone could come up with the giant incest baby plot line. That initial episode felt like the ultimate fever dream.
Tbh my favorite parts of this entire show is just seeing Rickâs depression, yeah heâs the most intelligent man in the universe with extremely nihilistic behaviors and almost borderline sociopathy, but at the end of the day he sees that as a flaw at the same time, heâs constantly in pain, feeling cursed with his intelligence just as much as blessed with it, and his family is the only thing that makes him feel human, the people who try to idolize Rick are just dumb, heâs not supposed to be idolized, i believe heâs supposed to show the ultimate result of a man who found the ultimate knowledge. In the end heâs just as flawed as everyone in the world without showing it to the people heâs around
it's a shame this comment was overlooked. this is a perfect encapsulation of what people should do vs what they actually do regarding his character. idolizing a self destructive character is missing the point entirely. just enjoy it for what it is and stop trying to convince yours of concepts that dont exist.
@Issac Cromwell Such a shame their toxic fanbase ruins such a good show. I mean it doesn't ruin the show, but almost gives it a bad rep because of the toxicity of certain "fans."
I feel it's a zeitgeist problem. This generation is full of very unruly behavior that fosters such irritating dialogue between the fans and the "fans." You know, find problems that you make up yourself because you're inadvertently projecting you're own insecurity and behaviours onto your favorite cast of characters. So when said characters deviate from what you expect, it causes a host of problems that you made up for yourself. Had you instead watched the show with the foresight to know "it's just a show." and not philosophize it into perdition, maybe you could actually enjoy it for what it is. Fun.
I like the Pickle Rick episode because itâs the embodiment of what the creators want. They said they donât want to have to worry about an over arching story. They just want to do what they want. Each episode being something different and unique. Thatâs why I like it.
i dont even personally think that pickle rick was a bad episode or that is "divided" the audience. i just think the fandom took that joke and wouldn't shut up about it until it became cringe.
@Vwap Trader2019 coming from a woman who likes rick and morty: no woman thought pickle rick was "cute" and most jokes were specifically to make fun of guys like YOU
It's not just the fandom, but the meme community as whole, especially for Reddit. I've seen a lot of Pickle Rick memes all over the Internet and I thought it's funny, even I haven't watched the episode yet.
I don't know about you but saying that "women should be staying in the kitchen" for ruining the show is just... ridiculous.
@Mr. Friendship yeah i absolutely loved the irony of the pickle rick memes, saying that "it was the funniest shit I've ever seen" as a way of making fun of the people who took it too far. def one of my favorite memes ever, and also one of m favorite episodes, if not my favorite.
I think why Rick turned himself into a pickle is grossly overlooked. The actual thing he became means little compared to the impact on Beth and the kids. Face it Susan Sarandon is gold. As far as people taking things to extremes.... that will never end. The audience literally drove Dave Chappell off his own show.
IMO, certain parts of the fandom ran that joke into the ground before the episode revolving around Pickle Rick aired. I also felt it was the end product of lazyness or they felt they had a better way to tell the same joke. Not saying that it was a bad episode, just that a previous episode stole the jokes impact. But that is just my opinion, and in the grand scheme that puts it between cow shit and pig snot in importance.
I always took the final scene with Dr. Wong as a way of grounding Rickâs god complex in the fact that a normal, regular therapist that also treats poop eatersâŠcan completely pull apart the real problem with Rick, something he tries running from constantly yet itâs still so blatantly obvious. It made Rick directly face his problems, I donât think it was meant to tell us (the audience) what to feel. I think we are all smart enough to also see the issue without Wong
I started watching the show like a month ago and I was surprised by how it was actually good and funny and not so "hard to understand intellectual bla bla bla" as the fandom made it out to be
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Alex the Average2021-12-12 05:44:34 (edited 2021-12-12 05:45:58 )
I suffered from serious insomnia all through junior high and high school, maybe sleeping an hour or two at most. Adult Swim was my best friend during that time. King of the Hill, Futurama, Naruto, and Inuyasha got me through many sleepless nights.
3:45 I love how the word "zeitgeist" found its way into the english language. Always thought it was a typical german word combining the word "Zeit" = time and "Geist" = spirit.
@Haispawner It could be an expressly American thing, but yeah. Most public pools have times of the day often called "Adult Swim" where only adults are allowed in the pool so they can swim without annoying kids in the way.
Adult swim is generally used for lap swimming, or swimming as exercise instead of recreation. Imagine Michael Phelps trying to train for the olympics with kids doing canonballs and dog paddling everywhere.
@fusionfountain Aw man the pool ads really brought me back. On wikipedia they section the show into "Pool Era" "Intertitle Card Era" and "Scenery Pans Era"
I'm American and I used to wonder if it was a real thing as a kid, I still never heard the term ever used outside of channel of Adult Swim, like I can't even think of any pool I've been too or anything that ever referenced "adult swim" being a thing
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Mr. Friendship2020-11-07 14:02:41 (edited 2020-11-07 14:04:11 )
Same thing, even I never grew up with Adult Swim to begin with. Maybe it's more of a metaphor of how kids shouldn't watched Cartoon Network at midnight and the schedule changed to the point of turning into a weird fever dream. Some kids were terrified at the scary aspects of Adult Swim because of the unnerving yet satisfyingly relaxing bumpers and once they grow up, they are getting nostalgic as an adult and watched more of the Adult Swim content.
At the end, the book-end metaphor is this: "all kids who grow up are joining for the Adult Swim."
@vezonf3nrak I'm a new Yorker and I've never heard of that. Then again... I've only ever been to a public pool in Brooklyn just to see concerts like the breeders and the Beastie boys lol
@vezonf3nrak When I was a kid, I noticed that adults NEVER used the diving boards during adult swim...they just seam laps. So I made the sensible suggestion "why not let us use the unused diving boards that aren't being used anyway?" and got shot down.
I quickly came to realize it was as much about "pulling rank" as anything else. Logic doesn't always win!
@bcubed72 At least at the pools I visited Adult Swim didn't have lifeguards as it was there break period. So that was the main reason kids weren't allowed
@Joseph S. youâre right about adult swim being a real thing in public pools, but itâs not for a whole hour? instead how adult swim works is on an hourly basis at American public pools. There is 15 minute time slot dedicated for adults only. Usually the last 15 minutes of every hour.
The nostalgia hits so hard. Brings me back to a simpler time in life... Me staying up passed my bed time parents asleep upstairs and watching shows that in my head made me feel like I was on drugs because it was all so different compared to the norm
Growing up, the pool I went to had regular swim for 45 min then 15 min for Adult Swim. It was also a chance for leisure swimming for adults without kids splashing and getting in the way. The. The lifeguards would get in their chairs at the end and all the kids would line up around the side of the pool and when they blew their whistles, all of the kids jumped back in.
Me as just a casual viewer really never noticed these changes in the shows narrative until you pointed them out it. I just enjoyed the show for its sci fi elements and witty humor. It will be interesting to rewatch the first two seasons now with this knowledge
I truly believe that the point of the show has yet to be realized. I hope that the addition of more writers hasnât diminished the shows integrity, but that may very well be the case as well. I think calling Rick the smartest man in the universe is not only correct, but necessary to achieve its point. I mean from the start of the show we havenât seen anyone truly match Rick, and even the beings with intrinsically more power than him still donât have the gadgetry or know-how that he does. I mean heâs the only one who has a collection of his alternate selves powerful enough to unite and rule inter-dimensionally. Weâve all been thinking it, Rick is the smartest man in the universe. So when he starts rubbing off on the rest of the family, they start understanding that they have more power than they previously thought, a realization everyone has when observing someone who operates on a higher level. Their perspectives change and with that they develop new feelings regarding their identity.
Meanwhile, Rick delves into his own nihilism, which, if youâve ever truly accepted that nothing matters at any point, you know it leaves you with only one thing, your ego. No longer are you restrained by moral integrity, making the ârightâ choice, or in Rickâs case, the need to be loved by his family, or really anyone. By the end of the season his sheer honesty with each of the family members has helped them stand up to him and themselves, but Rickâs ego leaves him with nothing to show for it. This theme continues in season 4 and in season 5 we see that Rick isnât the most invincible man in the universe, and may not actually be the smartest.
My major point behind all this is that I donât think that the fandom has affected the show as much as this video might suggest, and I donât think season 3 was as sloppy either. It was designed to feel loose and aimless, and itâs insane marketability further accentuated the nihilism of vanity. I suppose weâll only know after Rickâs final arc ever completes.
Sorry for the essay, if you read this, youâre a g and Iâd love to hear your thoughts too.
Damn so i'm not the only one thinking something like that, just gonna copypaste the comment i just wrote here: "20:25 OH MY GOD i just realized something.
looking back at this, after the season 5 finale... it could be possible that somewhere around that time, rick created the central finite curve.
"somewhere along the way, rick transformed from the flawed scientist into the smartest man in the universe"
"the show only starts calling rick this in season 3"
i wonder if the creators had the curve in mind back then. if so, that redeems the weird writing back then for me.
also, they confirmed that the "made up backstory" rick "only used to escape prison" was actually real.
either they watched this video and took it to heart, or it was actually genius writing all along.
There's one of those times where I really wished I watched adult swim when I was a kid, idk just fantasizing the experience watching TV and tuning in to these goofy characters late at night was an experience I could have had.
You should talk about the new seasons, they did crack down hard on Rick's flaws to the point where he's not even at the center of his family anymore, let alone the universe
Fool I do not detect the sent of the concoction of classified ingredients for capitalist benefit known as "Szechuan Sauce" therefore making your argument underdeveloped and silly.
This video was able to explain the unexplainable feeling I had watching Rick Morty season after season. I guess I really ended up loving Rick and Morty not only because of the space adventure and nihilism but also because of the family drama aspect of it. It made me miss that. Idk where else I can find that same feeling of experience and satisfaction if not rick and morty realize where it truly shined.
The inflated intellectualism that had arisen from the shadow side of the fan base is the exact reason why big bang theory was always a drag script wise. And thank you for mentioning Futurama, I feel the intelligence with which it was written is seriously overlooked/understated and knocks both Big Bang and RaM out of the water
Watched the show for the first time when they put rick in fortnite and MAN, the first 2 seasons fucking ROCKED. Season 3 and 4 were still ok aside from 1 or 2 episodes but I enjoyed it as a whole.
@Aumima Mimadino which is a goddamn shame. I still hold the opinion that Undertale is a masterpiece, but saying that outloud will probably get me to hell on earth
SU definitely has one of the worst fanbases ever, but it's infamous reputation isn't just on them.
Sometime around season 4 all of the show's flaws started growing larger and larger until all aspects of the show devolved to the point that "Change your mind" happened.
I'd say it's reputation is thanks both to its toxic fanbase and the writing of the show itself imploding.
@Aumima Mimadino UTs fanbase was an absolute Dumpster fire for a good while, but I'd say both it's fanbase and reputation have mostly recovered.
A large number of the toxic fans were trend followers who have moved on to other things, and a lot of the cringy younger fans grew up and came to their senses.
Nowdays the fandom is mostly chill, and I've seen lots of people return to it and giving it praise again. So I'd say it wasn't beyond repair.
I think we could say every fandom kill the original work. It's sad but showing to much love and fantism to any piece of work or artist is the best way to hurt it. Great vid btw, detailed analysis
Aumima Mimadino I mean youâre really only going to see fanfic if you go searching for it . . . Why criticize a show over something thatâs easy to avoid đ
the fandom is terrible bc they became devoted to the show during the 1st and half of the 2nd season (when it was Good) and stayed that devoted even when the show got worse and worseâart and story wiseâand ended by. making you sympathize with literal space dictators.........that had a human zoo.......in which all the humans were brown.......not a good look
@Leonardo I disagree. JoJo fans dont go around doxxing people or sending artists death threats just because that person didnt like some romantic relationship or that artist "drew a character wrong" (at least to my knowledge).
The hate against jojo fans, i would say, is a bit exagerrated. At worst we're just annoying, spamming memes and diluting the meaning of inside jokes. Pretty bad, sure, but its no where near the garbage fire that steven universe and undertales fandoms is/was.
@confused The problem is that everyone knows how bad SU is. Everyone seems to love and even reference Jojo all the time. People will defend Jojo like its God's favorite anime.
@George Liquor I mean it's pretty good, but a lot of people in this side of the planet think it's the best because it's the most adapted to western tastes since its very conception, I can see why
@George Liquor As a fan of JoJo, i can confidently say the shows quality is overexagerrated for the sake of comedy. I've never met a jojo fan who actually says it is the greatest show in existence unironically.
On that note, watch the show before i shatter your kneecaps
The important thing about JoJo fans to me is that they don't really think JoJo is well-written or anything. Unlike fans of Undertale, Steven Universe, or Rick and Morty, JoJo fans are never pretentious and don't ascribe any deeper meaning to the show other than that it's fun and memorable. I can see why people would find them annoying, but the fact that they don't talk down to anyone puts them above the "worst of the worst" fandoms in my opinion.
Eat At Joe's2020-07-29 03:11:40 (edited 2020-07-30 04:57:55 )
Steven Universe is really interesting to me because the fandom became more insufferable alongside the show's gradual writing deterioration over time.
1st season = relatively chill, fandom & writing make it fun to watch 2nd season: still cool, starting to crack though w/Keystone Motel/suicide-baity bullshit Season 3: mild, watch the fandom though... Season 4, 5: holy shit, what happened?!
Now it's hit that unique sweet spot where both the fandom and the hatedom are irritating fuckwads, please go away.
@gghhghhghgh gghhghhghgh Anecdote: I'm a Steven Universe fan and I'm well aware the show sucks in a ton of places. What attracted me to the show was the concepts within them. Near-immortal alien space rocks that can merge their forms to become more powerful sounds pretty awesome to me. The combination of magic and science fiction seemed pretty cool as well. It's a shame it wasn't actually handled all that well in the show itself. That's why I focus more on fan-work nowadays, especially since the show is over (to what I imagine some people's pleasure)
My feelings on fandoms are pretty forgiving, probably. Unless %50 of the fandom is actually doing shitty toxic things, it's not a toxic fandom. When people say a fandom is toxic they're implying that it's most of the fandom when at most it's like %10. I've seen way more people criticize the toxic fans for being idiots than toxic fans being toxic. And yes I'm still talking about SU.
I think this whole toxicity aspect to fandom is more prevalent with IPs that attract younger audiences who don't have enough self-awareness to realize they're being retarded or adults who never grew out of being pathetically stupid. There's a ton of other factors but I'm not here to write an essay.
@Nobody Cares disagree, since trying out new themes is not signs of a "horribly inconsistent writer" and are actually signs of "not being stale and being boring by doing the same shit for 12 seasons" and JoJo isnt that overhyped
parker k âall the humans were brownâ?? You clearly never saw it or are just making stuff up. Most of the humans in the zoo were some shade of white, including the main blonde lady, and a quick Google search can prove that
@Aumima Mimadino I legitimately can't convince some friends to play Undertale because of it's reputation. Easily one of my favorite games from the last decade
Childhood Trauma Heâs really not as inconsistent as people make him out to be. Just a lot of incompetents complaining because they lack basic comprehension.
Araki definitely got some glaring fuck ups, but the whole Araki forgot thing is just a joke some people decided to take serious.
JoJo is a good show in my opinion. I think like someone described above, it ainât deep, donât have good dialogue, nothing special or crazy. Itâs just simply fun and memorable. Kinda like dragon ball. Sometimes I just wanna throw on som anime that make me excited like a 10 year old ya know?
@gghhghhghgh gghhghhghgh Yeah, real character depth comes far later than the animated parts. Part 7 is probably the first one with actual themes and character development, with a pretty good philosophy.
â@Space junk That ironically is always a catalyst for bashing that show's fandom but that was more so a tumblr push if you looked more into it.
If you ever noticed what UT, SU, and a lot of cancerous fandoms have in common is that sometimes it's a lot of concentration on one particular platform until it explodes out into other websites.
@gghhghhghgh gghhghhghgh You would be surprised..... I think a show can be well written despite not being particularly complex, and Jojo's does present some decent layers to its narrative, but there's a new, growing part of the danbase that genuinely thinks that the show is peak writting and they will use every buzzword in the book to try to make you think so
@LX BDK (Notifications are OFF) Honestly I think the show's main mistake was the diamonds' redemption. It had a lot of potential and good episodes, but that arc just made no sense, and there was really no coming back from it
I would say itâs really up to how much the fandom actually can have an impact on the actual art, but toxic fandoms can make a barbed wire fence around the actual piece of media, making it look very unappealing from the outside.
Not tied to any specific IP, but furry, gaming, and anime in general. The sheer volume of bad actors in these fandoms taint the entire fucking thing for many people, regardless that in each one of these said annoying, bad people aren't the majority. All three share similar stereotypes with furries having their weird sex stuff be gay and open rather than straight incel shit.
Undertale seems more likely to withstand the test of time than SU though, because it had to be polished and tell a self-contained story before it even released. SU is bad because the Crewniverse made it bad, and the fandom is a byproduct of its incredibly poorly thought-out and inefficient storytelling. Undertale's reputation as a cringe magnet is primarily the product of its fandom, who latched on just as Homestuck was starting to wane in relevance. At the same time many of these fans started latching onto SU because they saw in it another potential lore-rich story that they failed to anticipate was all but guaranteed to disappoint due to its serial storytelling approach.
The serial format is a fucking curse that increases opportunities for the creative forces behind it to fuck everything up if not handled extremely competently, and greater potential for invested time and interest that doesn't meaningfully pay off. Handled extremely poorly, you get absolute shitshows like Steven Moffat's Sherlock Holmes adaptation, or the worst elements of Homestuck content after Act 5 and even more so after Act 7. These circumstances create dedicated hatedoms, arguably more knowledgeable about the core text than the most loyal fans willing to swallow any revisionist fan-fiction-tier bullshit from Word of God, and furious about the months or even years sunk into trying to understand these fictional worlds. Like Rick and Morty, these other properties succumbed to the additional dangers of compromising their identities to appeal to their fandoms (although Sherlock seemed to do almost the opposite, saying "fuck you" to anyone trying to follow Sherlock's train of thought), which will also turn early die-hard supporters into die-hard haters.
I'm frankly terrified the same sort of shit will happen with Hazbin Hotel, which has only 1.5 episodes out so far, since that cartoon seems extremely promising at the moment but faces many of the same dangers serials like Homestuck and SU did at their beginning: the showrunner seem extremely ambitious to expand the scope of her world and storytelling, planning to run a parallel slice of life office comedy happening in the same universe and apparently too young and energetic to know what burnout feels like yet, not unlike Andrew Hussie around 10 years ago. If the Hazbin fandom turns to shit from the show turning to shit, I can anticipate why that might happen. I will be among the first to jump ship if this shit derails. I've seen this shit happen too many times.
In contrast I continue looking forward to Deltarune regardless of how long it takes because I know it's going to come out in a self-contained form and don't have enough information about it to inflate my expectations beyond its capabilities. It won't have another opportunity to build hype for itself, it'll just unceremoniously drop on our laps, fully formed, if and when it's finished.
@Nobody Cares So what? Thats not evidence of part 7 originally not being about JoJo. The main protagonist (Johnny Joestar) is a JoJo and was introduced in the chapters you claim to have been what was "supposed to be Part 7"
@ken People liking shows is an inevitability, buddy. Good shows, at least in theory and mostly in practice, get large fanbases that are pretty diverse. Thats just how it is.
Shaming these people for liking something instead of not liking/not watching it so it remains niche is pretty stupid
The show is exaggerated, but its satirical. Its comical that most people would actually think we're serious when we say its perfect
On that note, watch the series its God's divine gift to humanity
@ken You're acting like you actually know about the show by saying we "ruined" it, when in reality you've barely scratched a fifth of it. Whats there to ruin if you dont even know what it is we are ruining?
I personally think its a great show. Not the best, but at least good. And so, i talk about it to people. Other JoJo fans do the same. This is called "recommendations" and its fine to not like recommendations since taste in entertainment is subjective.
Its better if you'd just not reply to this, its pretty baffling that you dont understand the illogicality of thinking we've ruined a show by recommending it and thinking its good (while not even knowing 4/5 of what the show is about)
@Nobody Cares Posting spoilers is always a rude act that shouldn't be done. And I have to disagree with the inconsistency. People just speed-read and completely misinterpret things because of memes or botched translations. Example, King Crimson is incredibly easily explained.
@CrunchyWolf Honestly, when you start reading the later parts the show actually becomes way deeper in themes. I feel like part 7 is where araki really comes into his own and makes what Jojo was meant to be from the start. I.e. it has actual character development.
@gghhghhghgh gghhghhghgh It's definitely a series loved for how over the top, memorable and fun it is, but just because it doesn't take itself too seriously, it doesn't mean it's devoid of any genuinely good writing though. From part 4 onwards the writing slowly but surely improves. Part 7 specifically is often considered peak JoJo.
@Nobody Cares man you're really overexaggerating how incoherent jojo's is. you know we're talking about an anime that began and continued as a battle comic right? where the plot serves to fill the action and not vice versa? if you don't like the action, I get it, don't watch it because it's not for you. that's all it is. it's not flawed because it's incoherent, it just doesn't suit your taste.
final season and future were fucking masterpieces and the fact that some arseholes in the fandom being so vicious pushed people away from it is such a shame
@Odd Life Do you fail to realize that every fandoms have a bad side? There are nice and friendly ones in the good side but you shouldn't be overlooking on the toxic side of the fandom too much.
@Mr. Friendship Yeah that's basically what I was saying but I didn't explain it well and I probably didn't put much thought in what I typed back when I made that comment lol.
@Discount Chocolate The difference is that Undertale is a good game (though I haven't played it but the walkthrough had to think of it otherwise) while Steven Universe is also good at least from the beginning but the later seasons where things are rather complicated.
@Leonardo as a jjba fan, most fans of jjba go through that phase and then chill out later, with how massively influencial the manga was even without being widely available in america cobined with the fact that the show is weird af but somehow applying to everything resulted in the meme of iS tHAt a jOJo refrence and a lot of other memes, (killer queen has already touched that ______)(ZA WURLDO) (torture dance) (it was me dio) (how many breads have you eaten in your life) its kinda expected for the fandom to be toxic and annoying(some are toxic, some are just annoying)
@Balazs Docs no not minecraft, minecraft youtubers, most of the toxic stans only affect youtubers like technoblade dream and tommyinit, just the ones on the dream smp ngl,because mumbo jumbo and grian dont have those stans even though their minecraft youtubers. Also your points only affects dream smp youtubers so you do apply some good points just the points are targeted a small portion of the minecraft community and nobody actualy thinks that thats the entire minecraft community
i came to say "the pacing of SU means its difficult to watch unless you were there at the time for the stevenbomb release structure" and scroll down to find dream smp discourse lol
13:10 That's basically how I approach everything. I feel like it might be a copout for the difficulty that comes with introspection and challenging your beliefs, but sometimes I really hit that dead-end where it's more like "So what, you dissected it and exposed it. It's still society and you're still part of it. Go play."
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Gore Obsessed2021-07-10 07:17:55 (edited 2021-07-10 07:18:17 )
As much as I love this show it's obvious that they're making it up as they go. The reason Rick became this smartest man in the universe is because that was season 3s thing
Well, it's September 2021, Rick And Morty just aired Season 5 finale, and I must say.....Season 5 has become the best season of this show for me since Season 2. I loved it, because I felt as if they returned to form, and finale destroyed the system (in a good way). Can't wait for Season 6. As for a Fandom...I really don't give a s@#$ about them. They won't change my mind about this show, and I'll keep watching it and giving each Season my honest opionion instead of shuting down whole show just because of mind-set: FANDOM-BAD = SERIES-BAD. I won't do that ever.
Agree my friend đ. Despite C-137 Rick was somewhat nerfed at Season 5, but i can understand why because it was as a part of his character development especially he become more kinder toward Morty because he don't want become just like the other Ricks
@premier1975 Agreed, but have trouble decide between this one, Rick & Morty's Thanksploitation Spectactular and Rickmurai Jack, because in my opinion they are also amazing
Have you heard about this Trump guy? People have been talking about him becoming a peach for over two years now. Imagine some guy being put inside a peach.
There's a point where being ironic about something doesn't even matter anymore. You're doing the same thing that fandoms are criticized about. Using copypasta to make fun of a fandom or an idea becomes it's own copypasta, it's basically making fun of people for something you're are actually doing right now.
@Wyllowisp No, that meme isn't done by the bad part of the fandom, it is done by the people making fun of that fandom, and is also in spite of the show itself. The meme is sarcastically saying that pickle rick isn't funny.
I hear compelling a lot in this video and I think itâs worthy to note that rick and morty creators donât always want to make a compelling story. Thereâs multiple cases of rick and morty excusing reasons to go in depth about their backstory or understand what there is in their universe, because it ruins what makes the show fun. If you know everything about how things work in the show then thereâs no reason to explain what shit is, and it wouldnât make sense for the smartest man in the universe to never explain shit to you. plus I personally appreciate the inconsistency of growth in this series because I think it shows reality instead of what you want, it would feel great to watch them all become good people, but itâd also ruin the whole âdysfunctional familyâ dynamic. Rick and Morty is better when you donât try to break everything down, because not everything has an answer or reason why.
I feel as though itâs really fitting that the showâs last great episode ended with a song from an album literally called âThe Downward Spiralâ.
If you think egomaniac Dan Harmon seriously allowed the fandom's opinions to "make the show more nihilist" you know nothing about him
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Arthur Durham2022-04-26 21:32:11 (edited 2022-04-26 21:38:07 )
Ignoring the fandom, I honestly just don't think Rick and Morty had enough of a foundation to be great for too long. Eventually something starts to show its cracks, and you either end or you hit a downward spiral.
This is evident in basically every show that doesn't end at its prime. Basically any series people will usually argue the later parts aren't as good as the early or mid parts.
Some shows can thrive on that for a bit and have their best moments mid way (e.g It's Always Sunny or Simpsons if you count the first 10 seasons as a different era).
But even shows like South Park that have defied expectations and still create all time classics 20+ years in, most fans will agree it hasn't been as consistently good as it was back in the day with a lot more dud episodes now.
I think Rick and Morty had a formula that wasn't built to last even as long as those shows. It's too irreverent and hyperbolic and based on a popular ideologies of when it released and internet type humor.
It did hit its peak when they injected some heart into the series but I don't believe the show was created with much of that intent. I don't even think the writers had any plans on how to pay off these plot points and character beats.
Comparing it to Futurama (like Emp says is its most similar forebearer), one of the biggest series plot twists was written into the first episode and you can see clues there. That helped it maintain some brilliance in the revival run bc the writers wrote aspects with longevity in mind.
And that's how you end up with episodes like Pickle Rick. The basic extreme of everything the show is. Rick at his most Rick and the ending spoonfeeding you the heart and message.
And all they could do from there is just keep going with that extreme. Because imo at least it wasn't built to be more than zany Sci Fi adventures with some family drama to ground but the show keeps getting renewed.
And even in the recent 5th season they seem to be trying to go back to a less omnipotent Rick and build out the universe and family drama more, which I appreciate, but it kind of just feels sudden and unearned.
They'll still come out with a great episode periodically but the ice on the lake that is R&M began to crack quickly when it kept going past its fresh new ideas and while there are still solid patches you can stand on it's much easier to see where you'd fall in.
It had enough foundation to be great for longer than 2 seasons but it wasn't. Because they changed the foundation to one with more cracks. And then a show should obviously know when to end aswell.
Ricklantius mixup was great, but you can't sleep on Pickle Rick. It gave a big bad punch on the face of fans who think they're Rick(referringto the therapist scene)
@uncensored008 no joke, The ricklantis mixup IMO is the best episode of the series. I don't hate the pickle rick episode, I see it as a funny lets be crazy episode and thats great but not something that is amazing by any means.
i love how all these people are like "you dont get the smart people jokes" and im like "nah youre just over complicating a funny show that isnt always funny"
@Maanav Sikaria i havent watched most of his videos, theres over 7 billion people in the world is it that hard to think that two of them had the same thought
@John Nirtamo it's actually extremely common for groups of people to have the same thoughts, especially at the same time too. Theirs a whole phenomenon called "multiple discovery" that is all about two different people in two different places having the same idea and/or thought.
I hope not Shows like Rick and Morty are bound to have theories thanks to the way they are written To say not to think about it too much ruins one of the main cores of the show The whole don't worry about it thing cause the picked Rick episode (memes aside) to be hated by pretty much everyone
@Cult Python like the scientists that discovered the exact same crystal in different parts of the world (mayne time crystals or non repeating patters idk anymore)
But in the same episode, he asks, "So no one's asking how I can talk?" So it isn't trying to say theories are bad but rather that theorizing everything in a show is bad
Yea I remember seeing a thread where someone asked about what they saw in the memory thing and people started chiming in that to try and theorize about what the cat did is to ruin the whole point of it, and that the plot thread isn't meant to go anywhere.
@Kastral Dan Harmon does, but I can see Justin Roiland making fun of them. Dan Harmon is a big proponent of serialized drama, and Justin Roiland just wants fun episodic adventures.
Season 5 was pretty much nail in the coffin. I've understood they're making season 6, but I'm quite sure after that it's pretty much a dead horse for adult swim. Thankfully we have more Smiling Friends coming up in the future.
I've almost never solely view it from this lens, and it made alot of sense. I've always knew something was off about season 3 and that the fandom/popularity had influenced it to some degree but never knew hor or what specifically, until now tho because your points were totally spot on! It's interesting because this season Rick is a stark contrast to season 3. No longer omnipotent if not just as vulnerable as any other characters, and it's a season with more family drama involved although i don't think just because there is more family drama makes it a really great show, the balance in season 1 and 2 may not be properly replicated ever but at least season 5 has Abit more weight to it, relative to season 3 and alot more experimental. I'm glad that the writers are doing more of what they want rather than to specifically cater on the fandoms. Hopefully if the show ever blow up again, they won't repeat the same mistake they did for season 3
I understand the criticism of season 3, but I think the aimlessness was supposed to represent the effect of Rick on the family. Without the grounded, familiar input of Jerry, the family started to enter a downward spiral of becoming like Rick, and therefore most if not all consequences or meanings were devalued. Other theorists have said this before, but here are the general points of each season. S1: The family gets to know Rick. S2: The family and audience get to know Rick on a deeper level. S3: Rick toxifies the family. S4: The family learns and begins to become independent from Rick. I think everything that happened in season 3 was necessary for the audience to realize just how much influence Rick has on the family dynamic (the main narrative of the show), especially without Jerry. Season four was then the family realizing how unhealthy they are acting and rising above Rick's nihilism, finding purpose in things other than Rick. And I think a big part of that was Jerry. In 4x9 this change is illustrated perfectly. Rick and his daughter build a society of his "children" where nothing matters, and people are just valued on intelligence. Meanwhile, Jerry finds his own meanings and reasons for why things matter, shown through camping, and eventually gets God power, the power of "faith" if you will. Eventually, the two sides come in confrontation, and Rick is defeated by God only for the kids to kill God anyway, who themselves end up learning from their mistakes in the process. They realize that not caring about anything and being overconfident about their intelligence almost got them killed, and killed God in the process, basically symbolizing how nihilistic intelligence is the killer of faith and meaning. And yet, even as intelligence conquers God, God's corpse still crushes Rick's meaningless society.
Enrico Pucci Pretty good summary all in all. Season 5 may be Rick having to undergo his own personal changes to figure out who he wants to be, and facing his problems more directly. He canât just rely on the family thinking heâs amazing, he needs to find his purpose
@Nahuel Ahpa hes not doing anyones job, would you rather the show to blatantly tell you the reason behind every story decision themselves? Show dont tell, remember
Unfortunately the writing in season 4 was so bad that i didnt have the patience to finish it. Although i like your analysis of it and i could see the direction they were going after season 3 which seemed to solidify jerry as ricks ultimate foil.
@Mongo Bongo honestly i only remember three episodes, the toilet one, the dragon one and "you son of a bitch, im in!" Episode. I remember them more so because of how absurdist and off the wall they were. "Bad" probably isnt the right word to describe it. I just didnt think it was anything good. And the fact that i can hardly remember any of the season is telling of that.
@Shannax The fans who read so much into something that they see meaning that is simply not there are some of the worst kinds of fans. Season 3 sucked for the most part, season 4 was trash, there is no way around it. Yes, there is a story arc in the show, but is irrelevant given the drop in quality the writing has suffered. Every episode sucks now so it does not matter the story the "big picture" is telling because there is nothing left in to show for the audience to cling to.
@El Dexo not serious, just stating the facts, but it does suck how a show that was so good all of the sudden becomes so bad, is simpsons syndrome all over again
I get why emp shied away from the topic, but the staff changes in my opinion were the sole reason the show went downhill. We see it time and time again but people donât call it like it is because they fear backlash, but the moment Dan went on a woke crusade and hired based on checking boxes for âdiversityâ, everything went into the ground. Itâs a very simple concept really, if you hire based on qualifications and skill, you will do good and have good results. If you hire based on physical traits for woke points, you will go down, because you arenât hiring people for their skill or ability, youâre hiring because theyâre black, or trans or gay or whatever is popular today. And I know some are gonna jump on this and use their 3 brain cells to attack this claim like âoh so you think black/trans/queer people canât write good?â, to which I disagree. Thereâs plenty in these communities that are skilled creators, but thereâs also some that arenât, and if you have a pool of 3 people, 2 of them being average white artists with a wealth of experience, the last one a black trans artist with less than one year experience, itâs clear to see where the better choice is, and that choice isnât based on the personal traits of the candidate but their work experience, and people always ignore this and claim they were not chosen because they were black or trans or whatever. I wish people could use logic and see this conundrum for what it is but we donât live in times like that anymore everything is based on filling a quota now instead of focusing on quality, and these companies arenât going to grow or learn anything until they stop acting on behalf of being woke and appeasing people. Itâs like the saying goes:
To quote SFO: "When you got two people who based their actions on Nietzsche, and end up causing catastrophic atrocities on humanity, while constantly misinterpreting his message, you know you got someone's who's pretty tough to read", which leads to the more common quote: "People don't read Nietzsche, they read quotations of him and find them to be cool".
@Nick the Pick not inherently u can take a Bojack lens on Nihilism where nothing matters objectively but that doesnât mean one should sit around and complain ab it all day do what u can with what u have regardless of weather thereâs inherent meaning in the universe
@Anthony That is also true. Sorry, what I meant was that shows like Bojack show why Nihlisim is wrong, and that you should do something about it rather than just do nothing.
@Slender Man 186 Okay, I like that. The problem is, Rick and Morty(The show) doesn't go forward with this idea to make the universe a better place. It's awful for the sake of being awful, and that's what makes it bad.
@Nick the Pick thats not what the message of the show is at all. Its not about "making the universe a better place", its about valuing the things and people in your life (ie family) even if they have no intrinsic value in themselves (in other words dont be a Rick and just run away)
@Mumkey Maan Well, the show doesn't focus on that aspect enough. And I'm well aware that the show is about not making the universe a better place. Nor do I care. And in my opinion, the entire family aside from Rick, is equally as awful. The only reason I'm here is because someone recommended me this video.
@Kreiser_VII Nietzsche was mostly concentrated on being against the church and its obsession of subjugating mankind to an imaginary friend and as such wasting their lives because according to him every living being desires power and giving it to a figment of someone's imagination was just madness. And no, I didn't read Nietzsche, he was the subject of a couple of my philosophy classes so i know the tl;dr.
@GTAmaniac Nietzche's Thus Spoke Zarathustra really hones in on this point. It's essentially about a man who can no longer understand society after spending time alone on a mountain and coming to the conclusion that God doesn't exist, although we do have to recognise that although Nietzche based a fair amount of his work on Kant and his views (although he is mainly in opposition) the Gay Science's views on nihilism are often in line with the more 'edgy' modern-day views we see today.
Anyways, thank you for providing a view on Nietzche that isn't completely based on the fact that he wrote Beyond Good & Evil and that's the only thing anyone actually bothers to read.
I cite myself, then say be an optimistic nilalist. I mean, life is, for me at least, peaceful. If there is more to life after death, that would be nice, but its fine to just pass away into nothing.
@Nick the Pick But they are doing that. The family is stronger than ever and Rick could just fuck off if he didn't really want to be a part of the new law. But he doesn't, he continues to roll with the punches because deep down I think he understand that the only thing that makes any sense in this universe, is what close relations you can keep and nurture. They are making their universe a better one. If everybody did the same, the whole would be even better than the sum of its parts. But we all keep waiting for a heavenly Rick to come from up high, be the skies, politics or corporate, to sort shit out for us. In a way that doesn't require us to change too much about ourselves and isn't too painful.
"I dont give them a copy of Cather And The Rye and explain why Holden Claufield is such an intellectual. Well, he WASN'T an intellectual, he was a spoiled brat!" -Quagmire (family guy)
Great video, I love your channel. I disagree when you say enjoying content and being in the fandom go hand and hand. I enjoy a lot of media but I'm not part of any fandom. I still enjoy them.
This video is absolutely amazing, because I come across arrogent fools who constantly talk about how the warp drive is way more complex and deep then anything written off of human flaws, and if you disagree then you're a "simpleton". Reading in between the lines is way smarter then understanding a warp drive, remember that.
@Shiny Guy true, adding anyone new does causes change and a bit of limbo(its like any group, its kinda weird to just add 3 new people in the middle of nowhere)but its been a while and the writers have probably settled now so lets just see if its a good or bad change
@Twoozy Uzi I mean a female mindset is now in the show and thats why they went all emotional and woke. I hate the new show. The first two seasons are like the first three seasons of sponge bob. Only ones worth the title.
@Shiny Guy but i did reply, look im just not gonna argue against your opinion(i know you think its fact but saying a show went woke and emotional is mosty opinion) on a show cause thats kinda pointless
@Shiny Guy The Incel energy is strong with you. Honestly who gives a shit, they make a few tasteful references and a few jokes about that kind of stuff and then quickly move on. You're allowed to not like them but to say it ruins the show as a whole is stupid. And it most definitely is an opinion.
For what it's worth in its golden years Rick and Morty was legitimacy a gateway to philosophical concepts I didn't know who Friedrich Nietzsche was till the show started to get discussed. Something family guy and all that never really did. Now part of me absolutely died when you played those clips of Rick referencing Reddit and events like Gamergate like that stuff even matters given the philosophical concepts the earlier episodes brought for better or worse. The comedy of referencing a thing for the sake of audience response is what absolutely kills me with movies, hell Fortnite showed up in Endgame. it's so wince-worthy and dates a piece of media.
I looked at your channel and you seem to make mediocre commentary style videos. I hope you aren't just saying you learned about Nietzsche a bit and stopped and that you kept looking at other continental philosophy.
The fuck? You really got educated on some of the most basic Philosophers in existence? He's right next to Plato literally if you look him up on wikipedia, now thats not to say he's a bad philosopher or anything but he's extremely misunderstood especially by the type of cynicism that the writers of Rick and Morty ploy when trying to be nihilistic and edgy. Don't think or pretend that theres any difference between Rick talking about reddit or gamergate and Rick name dropping quantum physics, Schrodinger cat or Nietzsche they're both the same pop culture surface level references to get fans excited because "oh he said thing I know that thing yay!"
@Mcheetah I think so too. I don't like how emplemon deflects the blame from the diversity hires. A show never gets better when writers are added to "balance things out".
Lmao Pickle Rick's therapy scenes are some of the best. Apparently confronting characters directly, when their issues are destroying everybody around them is a no-no screenwriting rule. No-no rule!
@Dancing Israeli "Watching rick get absolutely BTFO by some regular human was cathartic" i agree, i also think that was the reason why some of those people didn't like that; it was a scene that completely undermined their idolization of Rick
I had always been a pretty big Adult Swim fan, from the beginning i was watching and have always appreciated the AS lore, and history. I was pretty annoyed by Rick and Morty turning it so mainstream that i refused to watch it until recently, ive enjoyed it but it just never felt like an AS show... just not abstract enough
remember: those that idolize rick are missing the point. Just because our lives won't matter millions of years from now that doesn't mean that we can't work to improve the lives of our friends and family in the now. I do my damndest to help my sister raise my Nephew because I care about the two of them deeply, and I want my nephew to have a healthy upbringing that will net him a better adulthood later in life. If someone were to tell me my efforts were a waste and that my nephew wouldn't matter in a million years I'd punch them in the mouth and say 'it may not matter then, but it matters now' and that statement would invalidate their whole sentiment
Actually it does, because If yoy didn't take the time to raise your kid well, then will grow up as a fucked up individual, and will use what they know to raise their kids and then those kids will grow up to be fucked up individuals. What you teach them now is what they'll teach their kids in the future. It's a butterfly effect. One small butterfly flap can create a burst of wind on the other side of earth.
@Nicholas Dante yes of course, and sirinterweb literally said that. you're on the same page. but also, enjoy yourself! you only have your childhood, then your youth, then your middle age. enjoy it
This philosophical belief is absurdism. If shit doesn't matter, give it your own meaning! Love people and live your life to the fullest because it is your life. That is the core response to Nihilism.
I recognize the pointlessness of life, however thatâs at an objective/general level. Is the universe indifferent towards my existence and actions? Most definitely. Is life pointless? Maybe, but ultimately, itâs not up to me to decide that for others. If people find life pointless, is because they havenât defined their own purpose and are hoping thereâs an objective reasoning as to why they are alive. Defining your purpose in life is completely subjective and no one can give you an answer to it except yourself.
@Daryl Zambrana I think Pixar's Souls does this better about the life purpose because your purpose of life is to live for the better and appreciate that you are already exist, just to live. It's a nice message.
But does it really matter now? I mean weâre all gonna die eventually and our efforts wonât have really mattered, sure it might matter a bit now now but fast forward a hundred years and youâre just a memory if even. If you did or didnât do that the fate for all of us remains the same, and thats death.
@Kirb The Legend the point is the now For us humans the now is really All we have. Making the now matter to you and others is important. You make your own value
Way simpler answer is: You are alive today, not in a million years. Why should you care what the world is like in a million years when you only live to 80-90? You should try to make the best out of your 80-90 years on this earth.
But, if it doesn't matter in a million years, why the hell does it matter now?
For example, what would be the point of having fun, going to parties, doing fun stuff with friends, if, for example, you have an accident that erases your memory, and you knew it would happen? What's the point of learning something, if you forget it? it would've literally wasted your time.
Nothing matters, that's a fact, but that doesn't mean you can just make people unhappy.
Iâm a HUGE Rick and morty fan but I hate the other fans so much. I believe season 3 was the worst but season five looks pretty good so far. The mr. nimbus episode looks like they might further the story a lot more
thank you for finally letting me focus on why I hated S3 so much, why it felt so bland and inconsistent, and why I only liked 3 episodes of it. On the flip side, S5 was pretty good
I don't understand why people think they want to be Rick. Both Rick and Jerry have traits that are good and bad but neither character is seen as something to strive for.
Nah, many think they are like Rick because they think he's cool, and in reality they probably actually are like Rick, but similar in the ways they don't recognise. Similar in his loneliness, depression, feelings of inadequacy and inferiority complex, nihilism, problems with social conduct and assholery to mention a few.
and, thats a good thing. This show makes it clear that between Rick and Jerry its Jerry that has the more well rounded life, yes he still has problems (who doesn't) but out of the two of them he is the closest one to being, happy.
Now a lot of people might jump to the "well happiness is bliss, ricks just miserable due to his curse to be smarter than everyone else" thats the reason rick would give for himself as well however this show, SHOWS how that's not the case. that a lot of it has to do with him just being a total jerk to almost everyone he meets.
That would make a great episode. Jerry starts mimicking Rick and starts thinking he's just as intelligent as Rick because he acts like him so him must think like him too. Rick goes along with it till Jerry starts saying he's smarter then Rick. Rick goes off on him in a way that is like he's telling off the fans who think that way.
While I do agree in some reflections you make I have to say, season 3 was for me the best season except the last episode(where I completely agree with you), but I remember laughing and having so much fun at each episode(Especially Pickle Rick, I didnât even know this episode could be hated) and there was some good reflections on the episodes(How Rick fake memories realizes how solitary it is to be a âRickâ/ How Rick puts the message to Summer get out of the room when she wakes both him and Morty) and even if I thought the first half of season four was weak, I genuinely adored the second half(Especially Morty save points episode).
looking back at this, after the season 5 finale... it could be possible that somewhere around that time, rick created the central finite curve. "somewhere along the way, rick transformed from the flawed scientist into the smartest man in the universe" "the show only starts calling rick this in season 3"
i wonder if the creators had the curve in mind back then. if so, that redeems the weird writing back then for me. also, they confirmed that the "made up backstory" rick "only used to escape prison" was actually real.
either its a big coincidence, they watched this video - or its just genius.
Iâm a person who loves Rick & Morty for all the aspects of the show you listed for why someone would love Rick & Morty. I genuinely think itâs one of the best tv-shows ever made, and not just animated, but of all tv-shows ever. Very much in the same way that I love Itâs Always Sunny. Which funnily enough are very similar in tone and cynicism, and rooted in the fact that they both Anti-Sitcoms. Only difference is oneâs live action and based in the real world, an absurd filled with absurd people doing absurd stuff never learning a lesson or moral of any situation while the other is animated and based in an extremely complex sci-fi meta-universe where literally anything could happen and will always catch subvert expectation though sometime will do the âexpectedâ but only ironically. Never in earnest, since the driving force of the how and why shit happens is a nihilistic asshole and sociopath with a God-complex and death wish motivated by suicidal tendencies rather than just recklessness.
EmpLemon's wrong on this one. Rick and Morty is pretty bad. Its 'comedy' is terribly pretentious with Dan Harmon and Justin Roiland self inserting their weird fetishes.
@Aspen72 you replied to a comment of me saying I hope its a reference I don't get because the comment I was referring to said the comedy is going downhill because of all the female writers, and you said 'no way how'
Yknow i absolutely loved this show when season two ended. I was in my freshman and sophmore year of college and me and my friends would watch and talk about how crazy and hilarious the latest episode was. I remember my jaw hitting the fucking ground and howling with laughter at how fucked up the king jellybean thing was. We'd never seen anything like it...
It was basically a year later and season 3 came with a bang after a long wait... and then the szechuan sauce happened. My local mcdonalds literally had to shut down for the day because of turnout and there were a couple of police cars in the parking lot. Then i saw.. that video... i was working in fast food at the time so i felt every ounce of that cashiers anguish.
I wrote off the show and told myself i'll revisit it when everyone shuts the hell up about it. But now that its not so obnoxious? I might have to pickup from where i left off. Great vid lemon<3
Iâve watched a few recent Rick and Morty episodes and havenât even cracked a smile much less let out a laugh. I seriously remember a time when I found the show rly funny. I dunno watch changed tbh.
I'm glad it's less about the family aspect. There are already wayyyy too many shows revolving around a family dynamic. One of the reasons I love Rick and Morty is because it's so different!
I always interpreted that capitalist rant with the toy train as a meta way of the show acknowledging that it had gone to shit, and I respect that. I think that the writers didn't have much of a choice, if the show doesn't please the audience then they don't have a job, etc, etc, etc,... and I felt like that was a sort of apology. Thanks to the long waits I think it'll go back to normal over time.
As a snyder fan and the mcu fan, the snyderverse fandom and the mcu's fandom or at least a small part of them has become like this toxic superior group that look down upon you if you don't like what they like.
@Spencer Galland Then any anime you can name cause you know weebs.
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Mr. Friendship2021-05-08 17:44:16 (edited 2021-06-23 10:48:05 )
@Poras Srivastava Not just that, it's basically Marvel vs. DC in general. People keep calling someone a "fanboy" or "manbabies" for having different opinions from them which I find it immature ironically.
If you like Superman, Marvel fans will call you out for nothing. Same goes for DC fans when someone likes Iron Man or Captain America. It's a neverending cycle of hate. Just let people like what they want and what they like.
Yeah I've stopped from watching JoJo because of how obnoxious the fandom is, listen to an old song and suddenly 14 years old in the comment section are having a stroke spamming "is that a JOJO REFERENCE!!!1!!"
@hand cleaning soap agreed thankfully I don't see "is that a jojo reference" all over the place anymore but for a time it was inescapable and obnoxious
@Mr. Friendship I honestly blame both companies for that though. They used to do fucking crossovers all the time but now both are to pissy to basically print money like that anymore
Damn at 26 minutes something I decided to take a look into the comment section and exactly when he started saying that sentence I read your comment perfectly synced what a funny coincident
@hand cleaning soap Yeah, some people can't have the same taste. I really watch R&M when I am going to sleep, but I still enjoy it well enough. But if JJBA's new season would come at the same time I wouldn't watch R&M at all tbh:D
@Toniee B lmao my confession is I actually donât like MHA at all but watched like 5 episodes then googled the characters and now I just read the fanficđ
Kay Dollar2021-07-15 09:55:42 (edited 2021-07-15 09:56:09 )
Honestly AOT fandom became so freaking toxic because of the new people that just wanted to see âChad Erenâ, I remember when everything was Marco memes. Some months ago I got harassed by a group of AOT fans for some days because I said I didnât hate certain character. Pathetic.
@Spencer Galland lol I love MHA and most anime, but Iâve never heard of a toxic fan base? Where do these people show that? Twitter or something? Genuinely curious
A lot of anime fandoms tbh, take bnha for example since thatâs the most obvious one. Other cartoon examples like Steven Universe come to mind as well or even video game fandoms like Fortnite or minecraft nowadays (at least from what I can see on mc YouTube videos). JoJo also has a relatively annoying fanbase due to how some people in the fandom love making references all the time (something which I used to do for a period in my life when I was younger until I matured a bit) but luckily I donât think thatâs ruined the reputation of the show beyond repair, though it has scared off some people from watching it
FNaF comes to mind as a toxic fandom but I don't commonly see them as a toxic one. Sure, there is stuff like R34 and stuff and weird theories, but the actual people aren't as toxic as one like the car community reacting to electric vehicle. They say that EVs are toys and not actual cars. Or more like Teslas they're toxic towards, even though the points they make are mostly pretty bad and relate more to EVs than Tesla.
@Spencer Galland FINALLY someone who has my same opinion, my friend's been watching MHA recently and is spamming me messages like HAHA THIS IMAGE IS TODOROKI BUT IT'S TODORONI SO IT'S PASTA AND LOOK AT DEKU WITH ALL MIGHT FACE HAAHAHAHAHAAHA GOD STFU
i know some people have already said it, but the DSMP fandom (and âmodernâ mcyt fandom in general) has completely warped the internetâs view on the media itself. granted, minecraft content isnât for everyone, but the fandom got so large so quickly and everything went downhill SO fucking fast. itâs genuinely upsetting sometimes :/
@Kappu I wouldn't say it ruined Minecraft's reputation since they are multiple "mini-fandoms" in Minecraft that simply one mini fandom aka MCYT is toxic doesn't mean the others will since outside of MCYT there is the competitive side, the building side, the hypixel side, etc.
MCYT as a whole in the other hand It has been ruined. If you don't like MCYT you would just get harassed online just because you are not as obsessive as stans themselves are and if you do like MCYT you would just get harassed because they think you are as obsessive as the stans even though you are in the community because you watch some guy in a minecart testing mods in a desert laboratory when you are 11.
@Sodapop The music isn't the problem. BTS makes great music. It's the drones of 14 year olds and 23 year olds (who ACT like 14 year olds) that are the problem.
@Sodapop thatâs fair. I mean it seems pretty accurate, but I donât watch BTS or interact with the community at all. Plus the dancers are treated super poorly to begin with, and thatâs another issue with the band. The directors and the stans make the entire community bad. I donât have an issue with the regular fans or anything, youâre allowed to like stuff, but once it becomes an issue to other people.. thatâs when it becomes a problem
@Dankington While SU having one of the most degenerate worst excuses of a Fanbase ever around definitely harmed the shows reputation a good deal the show just being genuinely atrocious aside from a few good moments at the end of S1 and parts of S2/S3 definitely is a big part for its infamy too.
The bottom tier trash qualities of the show like the ungodly bad filler/pacing, abysmal """redemption""" of the equivalent of space h1tler, and the terribly lazy animation error is a large amount for why it's not just something that had its reception smeared by a bad community but is instead legit one of the worst series to come out of CN.
@Mr. Friendship I never understood why people have a problem for liking the supposedly opposite property; I love both Zootopia and Beastars, Fallout and Elder Scrolls, Minecraft bedrock edition and the original Java title.
To me there's really nothing that makes one worse than the other unless there's something objective like animation studios not putting enough time to create the necessary cells to make the animation smoother or something to that effect.
@Balazs Docs I'm annoyed at how pedophile is synonymous with child molester when semantically those are two entirely different phrases, I'm not dismissing those types as not a problem what I'm more saying is that there's a difference with connotations within the professional field of study.
Regardless of my personal problems about misunderstanding words I still don't stand on people going after children within these games, a good person would control themselves and activity not act on vile urges; it just disappointing to find people reacting based on a unchosen attractions, attractions aren't the choice but your behaviors and activities are, manage yourselves.
@Gortalla i felt this one, i got attacked by the entirity of twitter for preferring the manga designs of female characters and not liking how they get slimmed down into super models for the anime in some cases
@Spencer Galland I like the show, then the first movie came out, I went to see it in my town. Couldnt hear the fucking movie over people yelling BEST GIRL or WORST GIRL in my ear. Fucks sake, this isnt rocky horror fucking picture show.
@atroqui9nine mainly just for people who watch youtubers for dream smp technoblade is awesome outside of dream smp same thing with wilbur(i think the only other thing i know him for is his arg) ranboo and lazarbeam
"It's not just a show about an anti-hero, it's an anti-show."
This line right here perfectly sums up why animated shows like Rick & Morty and BoJack Horseman are my favorite shows in the last decade. They both take so much cultural history that's been previously established in America media and constantly reframe and question it.
Not to mention, I love the lack of limitations animation brings to the table when touching on serious topics. Rick's attempted suicide would be impossible for me to watch if it was live-action, if it was attempted with a gun or pills, instead of a sci-fi thingy machine that's generally beyond our comprehension.
I wouldn't consider Bojack to be an anti-show like R&M. Bojack does follow a pretty standard series of events like any other show, it just gives a fuck-ton more nuance and humanization compared to other shows that step into those kinds of topics.
@Kaweta I think bojack horseman is definitely an anti-sitcom. The show originally presents itself like a goofy animated sitcom, but quickly becomes much more. The show presents a long storyline that runs through the entirety of 6 seasons, instead of resetting each episode like a traditional sitcom. However, the show most importantly uses it's sitcom-like appearance as a contrast to the reality of the show and to highlight a source of Bojack's depression. One of the main messages of the show is that there isn't always a happy ending and problems don't always get closure, in stark contrast to the messages of a traditional sitcom. Bojack had a miserable childhood, so his idea of a normal life comes from his time on horsin' around. However, this depiction of life is very different from his actual life. He constantly strives for an idealized, perfect life, and is constantly disappointed in himself when faced with reality.
@Kaweta Eh, I would. Because when most shows in the past touched on things like MI and abuse, they tended to use those subjects as just window dressing and motivation for characters being "evil" and "violent". They simply glorified the subject matter. But BJH directly addressed that and many other thing, like Hollywood corruption, sexism, and a long list of other heavy subjects that are just used as plot points in other shows w/o be given proper respect or nuance. So, I would totally classify it as an anti-show: anti-hollywood culture.
Bojack isn't an anti-show. It may have looked like that in the first season, and of course it parodies a lot of stereotypes (but which show doesn't), but in the end it is a very honest series about very real themes.
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Michael Vessel2020-07-29 02:07:21 (edited 2020-08-03 21:00:48 )
You know I'm actually really glad that BoJack never quite got the obnoxious fanbase that Rick and Morty eventually got, but then again I do think that it was always the more mature show, especially when it comes to its standout dramatic moments.
""It's not just a show about an anti-hero, it's an anti-show."
This line right here perfectly sums up why animated shows like Rick & Morty and BoJack Horseman are my favorite shows in the last decade. They both take so much cultural history that's been previously established in America media and constantly reframe and question it. " What is that even supposed to mean? Like is it because they name off tropes and sterotypes, and found out about anti-humor, maybe because they have a meta narrative and faux meaning shoved in?
Yes they're "definitely" the first shows to be deconstructionist but lets also praise them for calling out shitty lazy writing by intentionally being shitty trope filled lamp-shading writing then not actually going on to show a better way of doing it, its fine to call out or parody a trope but you need to actually then show something better than that trope, you can't just say "haha aren't fart jokes so bad and cliche" without a follow up or you're being just as bad but with a lazy level of "irony" They both try to subvert expectations but its so shallow that the subversion themselves are at this point cliches in themselves.
Bojack is by far neither the first nor the best "anit-sitcom" Theres been a million sappy drama fake sitcoms where characters seem like typical sitcom characters but with realistic shitty traits who never change or develop and constantly break the episodic formula and honestly in my opinion the best comedy anti-sitcom is probably always sunny because it actually uses its subversion to be humorous and plays off it to make better humor not just say "hey this writing sucks haha now laugh at it anyways"
@Kaweta Bojack goes against a lot of tropes. The "hero" doesn't get the girl, there is no happy ending and everything doesn't just reset after the 20 minute mark.
It doesn't really feel like an anti-show, especially when it's so fused with mainstream culture. Probably because I don't see nihilism or convention breaking as counter-culture anymore.
@joshin'round im sorry the most complex thing you can understand is a sit com for stoned teenagers so that you feel the need to apply some great value to it to make yourself feel better. Deeply sorry
the rick and morty fandom claims to be one of the smartest ever, yet doesn't understand that liking and relating to a character doesn't mean you should identify with them. i wrote a character who screwed up his entire life, embraced his anger over trying to control it, lost the girl of his dreams, and then died trying to redeem himself and i don't identify with him at all. i can relate to screwing up and losing someone, and i do enjoy the arc i put on him, but i wouldn't exactly base my personality around him, although i did incorporate elements of my own life into his, he's still nothing like me
Honestly I just stumbled across episodes of the show like, fuckin 3 days ago, and I realized there was a reason why I was into that show. Like shitâs good. Donât let the fandom ruin it for you.
"You had people trying to dissect the greater intellectual meaning behind Mr. Poopybutthole" is sentence that nobody on planet Earth ever expected to hear and that is hilarious
I'm still hoping for something to come of that they redid the intro and everything for him and then never really brought up that something was going on with him
@ïŒłïœïœïœïœïœâïŒąïœïœïœïœ (代ć ăœ) yeah I get that just seems like alot of work for not a great joke oh well they made up for it with pickle Rick anyhow
Goddamn, literally all of Emps videos have such an immaculate vibe.
But to be fair, you have to have a very high iq to understand Empl-
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Jay Sharp2021-07-18 23:39:27 (edited 2021-07-18 23:49:03 )
This video is bizarre in it's direct cohesiveness. You have a skill/talent. I could not look away
I especially enjoyed your incorporation of the adult swim bumper format/music and did an emplemon keeps commercial using Rick's male pattern baldness for continuity
The ingredient in keeps work. I used a prescription for it from my Dr for years and all the hair around my forehead grew back also my bald spot disappeared completely.
I watched this video and then binged the entirety of Rick and Morty. Season 5 dives into time travel and fighting gods, two things that Rick has repeatedly said that he doesnât fuck with. I really, really liked the show, though. Thx for the vid Emp!
that kinda mindset is something i think also applies to a wide variaty of shows and genres, specifically anime. i fucking love beastars, neon genesis evangellion and cowboy bebop, and those shows are really really great, but i dont ever wanna bring it up with my family or friends because of the disgusted looks id get from everyone.
Its one of those peices of media you genuinely enjoy but are embarrassed and ashamed to even talk about cause you dont want to get put into a box and be stereotyped and criticized
Haven't watched R&M since the first episode of season 3 due to interests in other things and I think I unintentionally made the right call, it seems like it's became what people thought the show was like based on the fanbase.
And good GOD were those references fucking painful đ€ą
Rick and Morty seasons 1 & 2 - Rick was an imperfect, nhillistic, cynic like the rest of us, but he had power via his intelligence which is what we all wanted Rick and Morty seasons after 2 - Rick was a godlike person who was far less relatable
5:52 Okay quick little tidbit! This art here is done by the amazing artist TinyPainty (Michelle Fus)! Just wanted to mention it cuz a lot of really talented people work on these scenes for adult swim, and some of her work is absolutely stunning!
Rick and Morty still has good final episodes and first episodes in the seasons. Rick leaving in season 2 probably was the new direction they were taking because some of the best episodes they have were when Rick was apart from the family. The man was going through a divorce and his future was uncertain in all of season 3 and a co creatorâs attention was divided, so pressure adds up. I think it still has great stories to tell
5:27 now that ive watched it myself.. Not a lot actually changed with the show. Its kind of just the same as it was. Feels kind of repetitive at times actually. It has a verry specific kind of message I guess, and it uses different unique and wacky situations to pull out that message in different ways. It just kind of asks the question "does anything matter if everything is replaceable?" over and over. 26:52 again now that ive watched the show... This doesnt really make sense chronologically. They called him the smartest man in the universe episode 1. I know the season 2 cliffhanger got some hype, but was that really the point when the fandom got out of control? and was there enough time in there for it to actually effect the show. If there was, then I can see why they thought they had to spell it out for everyone in pickle rick. 31:08 id argue its rick and morty with less steps. I mean, it feels like rick and morty if you took out rick and morty. Its boring.
"The truth is that EVERY fanbase has itâs âtoxicâ side, and thatâs because every fanbase has a huge variety of ages, a huge variety of opinions, and a huge variety of maturities. There will always be people who irritate you, inside and outside of any fanbase. Thatâs not a fault of the fanbase, itâs a fault of people, and weâre all guilty." - Scott Cawthon
@Deo Vindice While I don't disagree with your general point, toxicity really is a thing all fandoms have. We just don't notice it most of the time because the work isn't popular, or the fans don't have a big online presence, or the culture keeps the toxic people separated, or nobody outside the fanbase cares, whatever. Having certain demographics/tones/reputations/etc makes any toxicity that does arise in a fandom much more likely to spill out into popular consciousness and become what everyone hears about, but it doesn't mean they're the only ones that have it.
Actually taking criticism seriously, using said criticism to his advantage, able to keep folks wondering what he's gonna do next with his work and understanding the idea of fandoms better then every 'journalist' who claims that being a fan of something means you're a racist, sexist jerk or some sexual deviant (depending on what you're a fan of), on top of all that, he keeps a humble head and is able to admit when he makes mistakes and take accountability. That Scott kid has one good head on his shoulders
@YahImTalkingToYou They are on the same level as the steven universe fanbase The my hero academia fanbase harrased the Japanese staff because some things are "problematic" like Deku being born on 4/20
@ImmaLittlePip exactly it's so stupid. They force their ships om everyone and complain about Momo's outfit and that the creator is sexist but she's only dressed that way because of her quirk. Plus that one dude with spiky red hair is shirtless in his costume but no one cares cuz he's a guy.
@JOHN JOHN "I cant differentiate between good or bad quotes, so I'm gonna say they are all bad so I get smart points for being a cynical asshole" Brutal Honesty version of the above, 1969 (the comment I was answering was deleted lmao)
@Pink GhostFace its a little more complex: the curve of fandom assholery makes it so really obscure shows (say ASCII Sector, a pretty obscure game) have real nice fandoms because if you misbehave the other members will instantly know that you're an a-hole and kick you out, while completely mainstream shows (say franchises like the MCU or crappy 80s sitcoms that everyone watched) have the a-holes be spread between all corners of the world.
Shows that have gained a large following but are still their own fandom (instead of being part of the culture or a really big franchise) frequently have jerks everywhere because the fandom is so large no one can keep track of all of them yet so small their presence is very noticeable.
Rick & Morty is most probably not seen by everyone but its following is very large, and it isnt part pf the culture nor a franchise, so naturally the fandom was extremely toxic until its popularity began to die out
yes, here's the show less button
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Mr. Friendship2021-05-08 18:15:20 (edited 2021-05-08 18:22:46 )
I definitely agreed with Scott Cawthon with this quote. People on the Internet may have a good or bad reason to hate a certain group, but they failed to realize that there are a nice and friendlier side of the group who are enjoying what they want. The good fan even has issues with the toxic fan in terms of harassment and bullying.
Unfortunately, the Internet haters said, "This horrendous piece of garbage show is the reason why terrible fans exist!"
Is this even the show's fault for being held responsible for the recklessness of the toxic fan's behavior? If I were the creator of a TV show, then I would be shocked about that. It's not the show that takes the blame for the toxic fan's behavior but the fans themselves. There's always be the bad apple that rots the entire barrel and the fandom won't accept that guy for the terrible things they did.
@Always watching It's basically the toxic side, not the entirety of every fandom in general. There's a always be the good side but they aren't noticed.
You know what's cool? Maybe AS listened to you. There are numerous scenes in season 5 where Rick is stripped of all the weapons he has inside of him that would make him unbeatable.
Rick and Morty gives you two choices: > Praise it and sound like an oblivious pseudointellectual > Criticize it and sound like an oblivious pseudointellectual
I like the show but I canât say I like it without someone I know saying that I idolize Rick and Iâm trying to be like him cause Iâve always been a pessimist I understand rick is supposed to be a character you donât like
@Cactusmanofdestiny No. The word Pseudointellectual can be spelled like that, or Pseudo Intellectual, or Pseudo-Intellectual. All three are technically correct. But in most other cases where you use "Pseudo" as a prefix, there should be a "-" between "Pseudo" and the other word. ie, "Pseudo-InsertWordHere."
If I where a writer for some show and if I noticed my fandom becoming like this I'd just pull a 180 and piss off the fandom intentionally just to see what chaos might develop.
@Whatsit tooya I know my hyperfixation can make me seem intelligent but I'm sure I'm not a genius, my linguistic abilities only has improved since I took on second language acquisition.
Anyone else notice that like 80-90% of the crowd in that picture at 3:50 are ricks? All of the obnoxious Rick fans think Rick is a hero and that they are just like him, it perfectly sums up the fandom
The season 2 finale was really good, but there were also better episodes in season 3... Tales from the Citadel definitely deserves some kind of award, and the first episode of season 3 was also really good
I actually really like this video I come back literally everyday to watch it again and it seems like every time I do I pick up on something I didn't before good job dude
Iâm a huge fan of this show but I also wasnât aware there was so much societal prejudice against the fandom. I actually thought season 3 was one of the best seasons of the show (behind season 1), while season 4 was probably the worst for me. I love this show and am not ashamed to wear some of its merchandise lol
You can definitely tell the writing suffers a bit because of the female writers in certain later episodes. At one point I remember Summer and Beth making cringey man-bashing jokes you would expect from a feminist writer as opposed to a clever writer. Fortunately though if you look at the credits you can tell that the men still do the heavy lifting most of the time saving the show from turning into complete garbage.
I'm not one of those fans who doesn't recognize everything he's addressing in this video but I still have enjoyed the show, even in these most recent seasons.
Oh yeah, homestuck is a depressing example of a fandom literally destroying its media directly. The epilouges and its "pseudo" sequel are the result of this and you can see for yourself why they're god awful. Hussie is currently making a new project and I hope the Fandom doesn't put its dirty hands on it
@Mercury iâm assuming op means the original thing has been directly worsened by the fandom thatâs just the usual âgood until you think about the fandomâ deal
@madcat789 hs2 isn't dead is it? They just said there won't be any bi monthly updates & they'll just dump it all-out once it's finished. At least that's what I thought
I would also say Hussie helped the fandom destroy the media by not giving a fuck anymore, if he hadn't let the fans take it and just ended Homestuck as it was it would've been much better.
i would argue that season 3 was when the series started to get good. the fever dream hyperviolence nihilism rainbow slick phamtasmagorian reality really sharpens the focus on the theme.
Well Evil Morty's actions in the s5 finale should basically fix the issue ofRick constantly being the smartest man in the universe from season 3 onwards
Man listens to gorillaz D sides, he built different, very well done video, I can tell you put a lot of time into it , and you bring up a lot of good points , some I haven't considered and many others probably haven't either such as though the fandom has influenced the show and the dulling out of the Smith family to all be a little bit more like Rick , completely changed what made rick an interesting and standout character in the show.
Unpopular opinion: I donât like the first 2 seasons aside from standout episodes like Rick getting arrested. People say the show became ironically nihilistic, but I saw it gain a new energy, grow more nuanced as it broke itself. Rick turning into this god-level monster made me feel seen as a dysfunctional individual. Your day-to-day misery snowballs into a life where you float outside conventional relationships to people and reality. Thereâs no foresight or narrative growth, but just waves of disfunction pulling you back and forth.
The season 3 premier is, without a doubt, one of the best episodes of television I've ever seen. It was so creative and so much fun that it's impossible to expect the show to ever duplicate it.
The therapist scene is kind of the opposite, even though I liked the rest of Pickle Rick. I knew what they were trying to do as I watched it, but this is a show where, as stated here, moments of saccharine tenderness would get fourth-wall destroyed at any time. Sincerity can't solve every problem, and conventional psychological "you know what your problem is" talks are not a good enough answer for the kind of nihilism that these characters live in.
When Rick says "love is just chemicals" I immediately thought of the "Hypocrite that you are to trust the chemicals in your brain to tell you they are chemicals." Meme.
Not a bad point, actually. The one who goes on living in a world, that he knows can be scientifically deconstructed, will be stronger than someone who just gives in to fate.
@Deadliest Vice Science fails and that makes science, science. Of course that things like math and physics can be explained but chemistry requires a lot more "lab" work for good answers.
i mean, reality in theory may just stop existing, or maybe it never did. Because we get very bit of information from our eyes, ears, nose, tactile sensations etc.
And there's like an actual theory about reality just not being. You could be a brain floating in space who made it all up to keep itself entertained
@another random internet guy Yes and that theory is extremely frustrating because you can't argue for or against it "Okay you got arguments or evidence to back it up?" "Nah bro it could be true but there's no way to disprove it so everyone now has to take this "theory" seriously"
@Random Username similar with God and religions and other quantum physics theories tbh, but Boltzmann brain theory I was talking about was proven wrong tho.
And paraphilia is when particular parts of the brian is crosswired to find this unusual or rather extreme thing as either or both romantically and erotically satisfying, in this instance "Love is just chemicals" hits stronger than most; you get that depressed feeling that you'll never find a consenting partner that'll play out your dark fantasies that you repress every chance possible just to keep your humanity in check.
@Random Username it's just a thought experiment though. As you mentioned it's not really a testable hypothesis putting it more in the realm of philosophy than any hard science.
You are right about people often misunderstanding this though, like with the simulation theory. Drives me crazy when people bring that up as an actual argument...
@Zwenk Wiel I agree, and it's pretty interesting that an entire philosophical stream stopped trusting their senses, which is good imo. But arguing with this idea is completely useless as both parties get nowhere. The best conclusion this idea resulted in is that we know for sure that the only thing that can't be doubted is that there exists conciousness in the universe
The "smartest man in the universe" stuff actually helped me with own writings
I'm writing a series where a character (not a main character) is an Incredibly genius scientist, but he constantly refers to himself as "the 12th smartest being in the galaxy" and will occasionally mention one of the 11 smarter beings as being genuinely smarter
To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Rick and Morty. The humor is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of theoretical physics most of the jokes will go over a typical viewer's head. There's also Rick's nihilistic outlook, which is deftly woven into his characterisation - his personal philosophy draws heavily fromNarodnaya Volya literature, for instance. The fans understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of these jokes, to realize that they're not just funny- they say something deep about LIFE. As a consequence people who dislike Rick and Morty truly ARE idiots- of course they wouldn't appreciate, for instance, the humour in Rick's existencial catchphrase "Wubba Lubba Dub Dub," which itself is a cryptic reference to Turgenev's Russian epic Fathers and Sons I'm smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion as Dan Harmon's genius unfolds itself on their television screens. What fools... how I pity them. đ And yes by the way, I DO have a Rick and Morty tattoo. And no, you cannot see it. It's for the ladies' eyes only- And even they have to demonstrate that they're within 5 IQ points of my own (preferably lower) beforehand.
Iâm interested on what youâd think about Solar Opposites, I havenât seen it, but I wonder if it keeps the original themes of Rick and Morty or if itâs more along the lines of the later seasons.
I'll be honest. I feel like this is really overanalysing the show and is exactly what created the toxic fanbase to begin with. I'm a huge fan of rick and morty, but never really understood everyone's need to analyse every minutia and draw some profound meaning from it. I think it's worth listening to Grandma's Virginity, Roiland's podcast, just to hear him talk about his creative process and get a deeper insight into his personality, because a lot of the things that get overanalysed are just random moments of improv 95% of the time.
I usually tend to avoid video essays that break down shows and analyse everything like this, and I feel like it's very different from a lot of your other videos. I assumed this would be a focus on the strange fandom that it developed, and not just a breakdown of how we're supposed to interpret the show.
i know it's been said relentlessly, but consistently the thing that i've learned is that those who are less intelligent swear by their superiority while the genuinely smarter realize their overall understanding to have greater potential. those screenshots at 23:30 just make me wanna scream man.
Honestly, this video kinda puts the ending of season 5 in a different light⊠[Season 5 spoilers in 3âŠ2âŠ1âŠ]
Through Evil Mortyâs actions at the end of Season 5, the retconning of Pickle Rick is essentially completeâŠAs in what now kinda feels like a response to this video, Rick has been once again reduced to a state of âSavvy, but not invincible.â
Season 3 episode 1 is my favorite episode of the whole series and never really thought of season 3 as different until now really. I feel like Season 3 episode 1 was more of a conclusion of season 2 discontinued from the rest of season 3. I loved season 3 and saw season 4 as the beginning of the fall. I think season 5 is pound for pound the best season. Hopefully you talk about season 5 soon because I haven't heard much different opinion than mine and my friend who also believes season 5 is the best one and would like to know if it's just us.
25:31 if a man tells you he empathizes with the character of bojack horseman and thinks itâs a good show, itâs all good, but if a man tells you heâs LIKE bojack horseman, YOU RUN
Iâm a good friend, big family person, etc⊠but I also have similar negative or self imploding habits.
If youâve been through the ringer in life, itâs easy to slip into a depression that you donât fully see whatâs happening or how youâre acting.
Yeah there's a very fine line between "damn I feel for this guy" and "damn I am this guy", a line I rammed face-first into when I looked at Shinji Ikari of Neon Genesis Evangelion, how he was portrayed in the series, and saw myself, and then watched the opening scene of End of Evangelion. Anno you glorious bastard.
Bob-Waksberg saw that there was a contingent in the fan Base that saw Bojack as an aspirational character, and he responded directly and emphatically in season 5, "no he's not, and here's why". That was a smart move IMO.
Im so glad the latest season (s5) has gone back to focusing on the family most episodes. I didnt care for the latest episode (s5e8), it was a little too meta and rick focused, but the season overall gives me hope that the show is course correcting and we're due for more peak episodes in the future
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Random Person2021-07-02 03:00:52 (edited 2021-07-12 14:13:03 )
Those anime elitists who preach about how neon genesis evangelion, yosuga no sora, and boku no pico are godlike anime with no equal. That is the truly m.A.A.d. fandom.
People on 4chan don't mock it because it's edgy they hate Rick and Morty because it is super beloved by Reddit and the fanbase was super easy to mock. The "you have to have a high IQ" copypasta was a troll that was posted on /tv/ as a mocking of what they thought redditors sounded like when they talked about the show.
@D because that's all most of 4chan users do, be it on /v/ or wherever. people don't go there to be decent or treat people with respect, all they do is complain and create a cycle of endless mediocre flame wars. at least Reddit is regulated enough and built in a way for it not to be the case, most likely because you can't be anonymous about it so you get reminded that what you say and do has consequences. 4chan is just not healthy imo. I've seen people destroy themselves on that site, get doxxed because they wanted to "trust x board" or just become bitter over useless flame wars.
@Nick Name if there are limitations on what comes out of your mouth then it goes to show why 4chan looks down on Reddit so much. the point of the Anonymity thing is so people can actually speak their heart out without being screwed over in real life, and in an era of political correctness the limitations get narrower. because they are actually honest with themselves, that's why they could never agree with each other. and in case you don't know, when they managed to cooperate they've manipulated polls, trolled celebrities, and called in airstrikes, something that other sites with several times as many users can't even get close to.
Reddit is an fascistic, terrible platform that stifles actual discussion and upvotes people for having a "correct" or "mainstream" opinion. 4chan is complete freedom of speech and the lack of perceived order by someone who has never actually been it is telling of your thoughtless nature.
@MBSB I'm just saying, saying Reddit as a whole is fascist is kinda like saying Discord as a whole is fascist. Are there subreddits/servers that are fascist by your definitions **cough cough Yandere Simulator cough cough**? Of course, but the platforms as a whole are far from it. It's just the issue that comes with letting people set up their own little mini-communities, and making sweeping generalizations like the one you did does make you sound like the boy who cried fascist. Plus I couldn't resist the irony of calling a channer a snowflake. Can you blame me?
@ballslover33 Yeah that sure is a lot of buzzword salad you threw together. >MFW we owned those redditors with facts and logic. >channer good redditor bad pic related >stereotypes are funny when they're not stereotypes of us
@Emperor TGP Yeah. Honestly I only stuck up for Reddit because no one else was. I don't even think it's any better than 4chan (I find YouTubers that read from both sites entertaining). I just don't know how the fuck you can glean "fascist" from it without SJW logic.
@Nick Name How funny. Last time i visited 4ch, i was shocked by how people were actually helping others. Maybe visiting /vg/ and other boards that aren't /v/ or /pol/ does make for a fun experience. Now sites like Twitter, those sites i've quit simply because browsing them made my mood drop straight into shit. Same for Reddit, except Reddit at least has a few funny posts occasionally, even if rarely.
@Emperor TGP Console wars aren't pathetic. They caused competition for the corporations - SEGA and Nintendo in that era (Later Sony and a bit of Microsoft) tried to do the best possible thing and innovated on every corner. It wasn't the most fun time for some players and there were failed innovations, but it was still overall great. Now there is no competition in portable market, for example, which leads to Nintendo basically having a monopoly and doing lots of stupid shit without any need to worry about losing to a superior competitor.
they're ripping on it cause normies love it and therefore they feel they stole it from them (which given the quality of latter seasons is kinda true). If R&M never got as popular as it did it'd be universally loved on 4chan.
Dan Harmon is an old man that made terrible mistakes. But⊠he learned from them, and heâs trying to help you. Heâs trying to tell you not to fuck up the way he did.
Wow i was just thinking today that over time ricks presence in the family was affecting the family with his worst qualities. Especially in the newest ep. Morty is becoming his grandpa. Enjoyed this vid a lot
i like the show, i really wished they cut down on the 4th wall thing though, they do it every episode now while also trying to maintain a lore. they are trying to have their cake and eat it too.
@ChiefKeith No idea, maybe his videos aren't upto par with certain people's expectations
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Dr. Oofers2020-07-29 15:46:55 (edited 2020-07-29 16:13:51 )
Hemmoroidza I can only guess that it is due to his ability to constantly create âtheoriesâ that ends up just feeling like he is milking a certain topic. Some old fans watched him for actually theories that proposed mathematical equations and what not, but now his theories donât involve that. Lastly, there are rumors that some of his theories he âmakesâ are pretty much copied from reddit. But those are rumors.
It's just "normie" content with theories that don't really make sense. Basically clickbait with peak moments like "Ness is Sans" and giving Undertale to the Pope.
Steve Stevenson: Didnât he make a Game Theory about wondering if Mario would survive COVID-19? Like, thatâs just complete bad taste. And to think a good chunk fans probably had a close one die to COVID-19 and saw that video on their notifications...
Renosance Is dead Matpat is not actually hated. He just easy to make fun off when he is pretty much the top essayist on YouTube.
He has a distinctive style and brand thatâs easy to parody and sense he is so popular everyone already knows about him. He is a bit more mainstream and has made many videos with some of them not besting the best.
With him you have to remember itâs basically a business while this guy and similar is mostly just the one person makinh content at the pace they want while Matpat employs like two dozen people. Matpat has a real business and they have to focus on content that popular. Some people seem to have a hard understanding that he makes content that people actually see.
Don't forget his inability to handle criticism well Like when he put gamersfrommars and mutahar in the same category as his "haters" and when he cried people were making fun of his videos
@A L it would make MORE sense in the context of bumping into the pope and wanting to give a present.
also, 'pretty much the top essayist on youtube' lmfao please, here's a short list of those who're much better and far less aggravating in general: Lindsay Ellis hBomberguy internet historian Drew Gooden kliksphilip Camelworks core A gaming cinematic excrement YMS Mrsundaymovies Jacob Geller Nakeyjakey the art assignment the cantina the closer look
and i haven't even mentioned media-unrelated essayists
His channel was straight gold before five nights at freddys. I think that the big change happened when his videos stopped being about theories that relate real life to video games and vice versa, and instead meta theories about the games themselves.
I only go to the MatPat's channel for Austin, he sadly got neutered to keep the channel's squeaky clean and child friendly brand, he even got a goofy avatar like MatPat, the rest of his video style is intact though.
Honestly donât know why someone would hate a YouTuber unless they did something illegal. You tubers literally make content you watch for free. Itâs not like EA where I pay for a game and am disappointed afterwards when it dosenât meet my expectations . If you donât like mat pat just donât watch his content,donât go hating on him in other peopleâs videos.
i agree with this i hope 1 day they go back to how season 1 and 2 were, i feele like rick is too overpowerd now than in the earlier episodes like u said. yup, good vid
Yo, Emp, great video. I know, I'm a bit late, but your thoughts are just... so right. They resonate so much with mine. Keep up the good work (I'm drunk, and I don't know what I want to add, but as I said, I found so much...
yeah im sure some of season 3 is that. the pickle rick episode i feel they just thought would be funny and fun to do but then it got blown way out of proportion. like the meseeks episode, I love that episode but im not going to run around dressed like a meseeks.....
@You Squidding Me? I'm with you but not at the same time, these guys seem to care about their show but I can't know for sure what their intentions are.
Well Rick and Morty peaked on season 3 and from what I understand you go out of your way to dislike it because it became mainstream so it no longer felt like a rare special jem that you can brag about
@ΊÏÏÎ·Ï No, personally I still love Season 3. But I do feel like the family dynamic being broken was an intentional anti-postmodernist message. But maybe Iâm just projecting
Idk bout y'all but I thought S3 started good and ended great, it did have like 2-3 bad episodes but overall I prefer S4 to S3. My disliked S4 eps: Crewcoo's Morty, Claw and Hoarder, Rattlestar Ricklactica.
ΊÏÏÎ·Ï ÎÎĄÎÎÎÎÎŁ âhow dare you have a different opinion on season 3 its objectively good youâre just trying to be a hipster by having a different opinion >:(â
I enjoyed season 3. I still haven't seen 4 tho. I was stoked for it, but I don't have cable. I think it's finally on Hulu. Eh, I'm gonna sit around and watch it when I'm mega bored. No shade, just not interested right now.
Ok but if you compare it to other shows, you clearly see theyâre not even trying at this point, literally producing only a merely 10 episode while others produced twice as much n less time, but imo they did everything they wanted in season 1 n 2 and werenât expecting to do more.
I saw that with star wars with the two directors with star wars toys grabbing the figures from each other crying "*thats* not how you play star wars. this is how you play star wars!"
@Pagodeiro Master im talkin before covid waiting 2 years for season 3 but as well Covid is a great time for their writers to just mess around n experiment(since what else can they do right? With covid)
@NEIGHBOR agreed it pissed me off when it cut to comercial n rick is back to his all powerful science self, like atleast show us something, how he does it or how just manages to outwit magic with his knowledge
Season 4 has the worst episode in the show (the dragon one) and it has arguably the best episode in the show, at least in my opinion (the vat of acid episode)
@Pagodeiro Master animation isnât really affected in covid. No one has to be near anyone in order to do it. They have taken years for seasons prior to covid.
@Lub Mang finding a new way to phrase "money first, artistic integrity second" doesn't change what it means đ€·ââïž
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Lub Mang2021-03-13 14:46:49 (edited 2021-03-13 15:08:29 )
@Andrew Marshall you are too rigid in your beliefs and see things in a black and white way. What I said wasnât about money. But making something for others to enjoy. I saw him do a talk at a college a few years back and he talked about doing it for yourself or for your tribe. Iâm not a huge fan of the last two seasons but Iâm not gonna paint with as broad a brush. People are multi faceted.
Season 5 and 4 heavily nerfed Rick from what he was in season 3 - itâs a bit early to tell but with how the season ended and how Rick has returned to being more flawed the show seems to be returning to its roots.
Looking back after watching the season 5 finale, u can see that they noticed these issues and retconned them, with the reveal that rick isnt the smartest
Viva Emptiness friends is a SLOG to sit through. Itâs not even bad funny or bad entertaining, itâs just garbage. How did it achieve the âcultâ status it has? At least âThe Officeâ is a dumb funny show, sort of like Parks and Rec, but Friends is just retirement home-tier garbage youâd leave on for dementia patients to stare off at
@Dusk Legend yeah, I honestly have no idea how it's still so popular. I've tried watching it, but it's just so unfunny that I can barely get through one ep.
I think now and days the hype is coming back as new people are watching and understanding what made this show so good many of my friends started and now are addicted to the show
The biggest thing in the way of me wanting to watch Rick and Morty is the way every fan I come across pats himself on the back for watching and liking the show.
i just binge watched rick and morty a year ago. Pickle rick was my favorite episode because it was funny and suprised me. I didnât pay much attention to the therapist plot. Why do people take Entertainment so seriously.
Michael Hemsley $70 curious tho? Also someone opened it at the restaurant and shared it with a bunch of people so trying it there my memory was it being similar to their sweet and sour with a little extra teriyaki zest to it.
@Michael Hemsley I help out at a cards and collectables shop and am a bank teller by trade, and I can verify that people are weird with money in general.
Had a guy who's card was restricted because he had like 3 purchases from asiandates.com, he denied knowing the website but signed off saying that he did the transactions saying that it was him.
the season 5 finale gives me hope that seasons 3, 4 and 5 were just the weird puberty stage of the show
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sad bum2021-07-05 22:52:30 (edited 2021-07-05 23:01:12 )
I always said "Pickle Rick" was the episode that broke me off from the show, and you nailed why. Emmys don't mean shit besides "What made the industry the most money this time?"
I loved rick and morty for the lore and worldbuilding. These two elements are now more dead than new coke and I can't ever see myself watching it again.
I love viewing the comments on any video about Rick and morty. All of a sudden everybody has a graduate degree in psychology/sociology/theology/philosophy. Itâs way funnier than the actual show
I'll have to agree, but most of the conclusions are pretty basic, you don't need a degree in every last conclusion you make, you know. It's just people sharing opinions, some radical, others not. Best to accept that rather than alienate yourself from it.
I can't say I didn't see the writing on the wall in real time with R&M. Too much commercialization can ruin a a show & fan base. I simply don't like being thought of as another shallow fan to a show that honestly has lost its charm.
EmpLemon's wrong on this one. Rick and Morty is pretty bad. Its 'comedy' is terribly pretentious with Dan Harmon and Justin Roiland self inserting their weird fetishes.
To me, the show lost its charm due to its fan base. And the moment the fan base became insufferable to me was the episode with Pickle Rick. Ever since that episode, people went to far and became so unbearable to me.
@north korean defector I believe he's referring to the joke video he made, where he satirically exposed Emp and Rusty Cage for "stealing" his background music. Really, it was just Mumkey being Mumkey.
Introducing and then subsequently destroying the Central Finite Curve was the best decision the writers couldâve made. Stating Rick as the smartest man in the universe explains why heâs able to outsmart everyone with ease and never get into any real trouble. But now that the CFC has been destroyed, Rick is no longer the smartest man in the universeâor at least, he is no longer the only person in the universe with his level of intelligence. This opens up so many possibilities as far as where they can take the show. Now, Rick can remain just as OP as heâs come to be, and yet still be on equal footing with the antagonists.
@D Gam not really, i watched all of rick and morty without ever engaging with the fan base. not because I thought they were toxic, more because it seemed like a waste of time and energy to me personally. to each their own i guess.
@Suu Slime You can not like it all you want but it seems like to me you base your dislike towards it simply beacause of the fandom which I don't think is a vaid reason to hate a show
The reason fandom is bad is almost never given. This is the first time we actually get to hear the "Why" as it's hard to put it into words as to how it got so bad during the show's early years. Steven Universe's fandom is Rick and Morty's, but the lifespan has been accelerated due to the rise of social media, like a supergiant star ala Betelgeuse compared to a smaller star, like the Sun.
@GaiaX5 We heard why the fandom was bad all the time. This video literally brought zero new perspectives to the table, but instead just served it all the perspectives on a big plate.
You should of brought up how Dan Harmon was embroiled in a sexual harassment scandal (Which he admitted doing, and apparently reconciled with his victim), I think this may have had a large influence on the production of the show since it was around the time the show was starting to tank.
@Wilo Polis lol whoops, just didn't put quite enough predicates and prepositions I guess; Youtube Vanced is legit as fuck though, great for binging WWII History or anything.. and the sponsor-blocking is DIY and accessible. I'm on a Pixel 2XL btw.
@Wilo Polis Yah, gotta use F-Droid and fhe unofficial apps store, yaddayadda. It pretty much uses the front end of mobile YT almost exactly as is, but with dev settings enabled by defualt and the almighty sponsor block that you can both personalize and help others by flagging the sections; quite a few selections of designation so you can cut out even more (or less) as you want.
@Wilo Polis Can even login and shitpost like me right now, completely integrated. Also has VLC-esque touch control for volumd and brightness that you need to enable; LH screen side is brightness (separate from phone brightness too) and RH is volume. You just scroll vertically to adjust either
Rick and Morty is a show about an infinite amount of different versions of the same dysfunctional family. The idea that you are never really sure which dimensional version of the smith family you are watching on any giving episode is pretty fun. The narrative has the ability to be uncertain but still not leve you lost wondering, what the Dick happened from episode to episode. I mean sure Rick from the show is the âRickiest Rickâ. But every Rick thinks that, so who are we really watching?
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Dr. Pepper2022-03-20 09:30:20 (edited 2022-03-20 09:30:34 )
"In my opinion, it would've been a lot more compelling, if the series chose to separate Rick from the family instead of Jerry" Justin Roiland and Dan Harmon : [22:45] "WRITE THAT DOWN ! WRITE THAT DOWN !"
God I wish we could go back to season two. I was like 10-11 when I first watched it back in 2015 and the Grumbly Fumbly joke actually got me. I was like Morty and Summer, laughing at a joke that meant nothing because I wanted to enjoy the adult show. Imagine my shock when Rick speaks directly to me and calls me a sheep lmao total ego killer. Wouldn't get that experience from modern Rick and Morty. The sperm episode isn't gonna make me rethink the way I watch shows. I have little hope for Season 6 but hope nonetheless.
The biggest showing for me how the show isnt the smartest show on television and shouldn't be treated like something that you need to go frame by frame to dissect the meaning behind each frame, is there was a episode of film theory that used math and calculations to find out if beth's clone existed and the theory was wrong because the writers didn't spend 200 hours on otherwise should be straight forward just to make sure the times were right, the writers are spending that 150 extra hours from not doing that, is used to keep plot holes to a minimum but still its a funny thing
This is probably the best take I ever heard, I donât know why I didnât see the fact that everyone becoming more like rick was bad, maybe I myself overvalued his traits because I saw it as some kind of weird ideal, maybe thatâs what happened to the writers too or the feedback they listened to since itâs not like the booth really changed unlike with say spongebob
I get how it's not really super interesting, but in universe it makes a lot of sense. They all have a lot more experience with Rick, and the type of stuff Rick goes through, especially Morty.
It's a good video but I don't agree with you about how it went "aimless" after season 3. It's called character development, he for example invented those gatchets of his because he is in danger constantly.. I don't care about the fandom either, it has always been cringe so I don't follow it. I just want to watch the show, because unlike you I don't want to overanalyze it because it's not THAT deep, just like Roiland said himself. To me the 4th season was the best by far.
if emplemon says it's well written then I believe him, unfortunately the ugly art style with bizarrely shaped people with horrifying round teeth is just insufferable
Some of yall have to get over it when normies end up liking something. I get it that shit gets annoying but if you lose your love for something JUST BECAUSE OTHER PEOPLE LIKE IT then that is YOUR problem not a show or band or whatever.
aaron wouldn't be liked by the toxic culture of today. imagine a black guy criticizing black culture in 2020. he'd be crucified by his peers. such a brilliant show that never got fully fleshed out.
Boondocks was really inconsistent in terms of quality writing. Felt like the best bits could have easily been compressed into just one or two seasons worth of material.
I watched 2 episodes of season 3... "Oh, thats what its gonna be now... ok" and tuned out. Never even got a bite of the pickle. Did they ever make another season?
I totally get your point about Rick's power level season 3 in the past, but consider it from this perspective, because Rick got beat up and robbed by a teenage girl, he started to acquire a bunch of over powered body augmentations.
I've never actually seen the show myself, only been exposed to the fandom once it got popular and got fed up with that real quick. And yet, this video manages to provide very detailled insight into the topic to me, someone who more or less knows nothing about the subject at hand. This is what I find great about your videos, Emp. Your ability to get me hooked on something that I may have virtually no clue about, all without losing even a single bit of my interest or attention.
The family becoming nihilistic like Rick and losing their identity just to become more like him is actually brilliant in itself because itâs what happens when people become enthralled with a narcissistic personality
I didn't know that after pickle rick episode, show went downhill. I dont know why but it was same for me from starting to last. Intresting. It was probably because I watched the whole show in one go within days and I didn't have the context of how it evolved or influenced.
As a binge watcher that just watched Rick and morty for the first time last month, I didn't have to deal with any of those problems so my opinion is gonna be far different, and is far different. I just thought it was all natural. It also might be partly because I'm a filthy weeb (đ) and have gotten used to the MHA Fandom
We're likely to invent biological immortality before Yandere Sim gets released, then Alex can put his brain into a tin can with hands and continue to be an incompetent coder.
I feel viewership would go back up if they released episodes on Hulu or HBO Max weekly after tv airs instead of like a year after airing. Less people would pirate the show
@Chance Edwards Rick is a funny character yes but not a good person by any means heâs a sociopathic person yes he has his good moments but over all he is a horrible ducking person
Man, legit, i aways liked the fact that Rick opposes his own views with his actions on the earlier seasons, by actually caring about stuff, and the family not being like him offered great contrast to his ideals, now everyone is like him, i hate that so much
This is every interpretation of nihilism it's the same with nietzche himself. People interpreted his criticism of nihilism as a sign to brace nihilism despite him being very clear it's not good even if it's unavoidable
@Swerzye do you think the âexistentialismâ (literal meme pop-philosophy) the show tries to talk about is contradictory to anything Rick says? Rick is wrong because of his apathy and disinterest, not because of his ânihilism.â
in my opinion the whole point of season three being about nihilism was so that the family could learn it is wrong. theyâve been numbed by the wild sci-fi stuff that rick has felt with and start to agree with him.
i liked the susan sarandon scene, it showed normal people being relevant and the importance of therapy, it was played extremely poorly because rick is such a dick and was exhausted for all the things he did before getting there, and he wasn't at all ready to hear what she said, she's right, but that exposition was addressed to us rather than at rick, she figured him out in 2 minutes which is something professionals are very accurate at bbut still wait for the right moment to give their true opinions even if at all, he should be there because he wanted to, not out of necesity for a mcguffin to not die
I feel like there's an issue with pretty much every show in that you start with a concept you're very excited about and you have a ton of plans, but after the first season or two you've already explored that concept and got across what you had in mind, yet you somehow have to keep going after that. You've said everything you wanted to say and now you're forced to ramble endlessly and meaninglessly, grasping at some kind of point or message which you're making up as you go along. It's easy to plan a first season, and plenty of writers have ideas about how to follow it up in the second, but after that you run out of your original ideas and have to start creating new ones.
In that same vein, you have to keep upping the ante until your character is basically a god, or "the smartest man in the universe", and it becomes difficult to be invested and see some threat when you know your protagonist could punch god and survive a planet crushing them. Think of just about any fiction show or film series and you'll see this trend, but it's perhaps displayed even better in comparison to videogames, where at the start your protagonist is level 1 and they're fighting mindless grunts and then face a weak boss, but by the end they're level 100 and fighting a boss who has the power to destroy the world and every mindless grunt is suddenly a being that could take out an entire army alone while you cleave through hundreds of them without a sweat.
The longer a show goes on, the more it falls into these pitfalls, and the only way to avoid it is to shift gears and start experimenting with new concepts, but doing so alienates your existing fanbase, leaving you with a choice of creating a shallow continuation that's only going to deteriorate in quality, or trying something new and potentially losing fans.
"Can a fandom be so insufferable that they damage their shows reputation beyond repair?"
It happened to Undertale and FnaF. I remember their famdoms very clearly. Not only would the fans gang up on you if you said anything negative about the games, but they would also spam Undertale and FnaF comments on unrelated videos.
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That One Guy2020-09-21 17:12:14 (edited 2020-09-21 17:18:57 )
Was in both of those fandoms, can confirm it was fucked Iâm also fairly confident that both were Only Children but idk
More than a few people got poisoned and hurt due to food tampering by Undertale fans. Like that one artist who got either glass or needles in a cookie from a "fan" who didn't like the art he drew of some characters.
Shit remember when mat pat sparked a fan war between the mother fanbase and undertale fanbase??? I couldn't watch a let's play or video about either one without seeing a flame war in the comment sections đ€Ł
Imagine if I created a TV show or a video game that became popular to the point of being drastically affected the reputation, and I really do understand. The "hatedom" is always aware of that, but they aren't aware by the fact that they just hated the content/media because of experiencing the horrors of the community, and I do admit that these fandoms have negative sides that are outright terrifying. But blaming on the show just because it has fandoms in it is actually the most invalid argument I've ever seen. It's nothing new about it.
Well, I think Toby Fox even feared his own success of Undertale as we know it.
Ä°t happened on minecraft as well. Ä° would argue that one of the biggest reasons why minecraft fell out of popularity in 2015-2016 was because of its fandom. The fandom turned into a group of insufferable cringy kids that ruined minecrafts reputation and resulted in it being labelled as a "kids game".
@Lidiloth can you like, chill with the mat pat hate man. Heres a person with flaws and aspirations yet you're here speaking of him as if he only has flaws
I'll be honest, I've been a huge fan of fnaf for a long time and I never really came in contact with the fandom, and damn I'm hella glad I didn't. the undertale fandom is another story It also happened to Danganronpa, a game series I really enjoyed, but the fandom is just so...
@Infinity Hand I think msot people have the wrong idea about the JoJo fandom, they're overall pretty wholesome and chill believe it or not. Tho there are those who will take every oppurtunity to recommend you JoJo and also to constantly repeat the 3 JoJo memes that died years ago; that is not the majority of the fandom. They're mostly very cool, but I can understand why a lot of people think it's a bad fandom
I would argue the Homestuck fandom perfected that. They spawned the undertale fandom and while fnaf doesn't have any direct connections, the fandoms are strikingly similar.
I think we can all agree after the twist about ricks multiverse we learned at the end of this last season the issue about rick being the smartest most powerful being kinda becomes mute
they had a story going on, infinite ricks and mortys, evil morty who seemed like the whole next season was going to be working around. But nothing happened, no more story building they just kept making episodes with no connection to each other and blamed "infinite universes, these arent the same ricks and mortys"
28:38 he then does criticise them. i feel like it'd be funnier if he didn't criticise them but he and the creators knew. 29:01 maybe thats why the fandom wants to identify with him. but he would know he manipulates them and it would be dark
I started watching Rick and Morty after season 3 ended, but before season 4 started. I honestly enjoyed season 3 a lot, even the pickle rick episode. I never really noticed any of the elements that you say made the show go downhill, but I did notice my enjoyment in the drop during season 4. So far, season 5 has been alright, some good some bad. Not trying to make a point or anything, just sharing my opinion.
to me the show ended with season 2 finale it was an excellent end that they absolutely destroyed in 5 min with season 3 and now it's just good with great animation which i enjoy going through but not as serious as it used to be just feels like nonstop filler, i am looking forward to the next episode as some people are speculating it's about bird person
Never really got into this show. Saw 5 or 6 episodes of season 1 and got kinda bored of it. Maybe I just have a low IQ. Who knows? But I do acknowledge it as a good show regardless if I like it or not.
The guy screaming on the counter was a skit, and McDonalds brought back that stupid sauce to just a few locations without talking to or collaborating with Adult Swim or the show creators. Itâs dumb that people lined up for a fast food sauce, but the fans got the blame for a skit and marketing incompetence.
Ok Christ sorry his point wasnât about race I just felt like correcting it cos I noticed it my bad
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Carl Hartwell2020-07-28 17:34:24 (edited 2020-07-28 17:42:23 )
1. Not sure why being skinny and white is relevant. 2. It's called Keeps it's not for people who have already lost their hair, therefore age is irrelevant.
*edit lol and I didn't even know but others have said he's not even white....so wtf? Oh man. Next someone else will say he's 200lb's! Not that that would invalidate my original post.
@TheEdMaster - he said it in his Shrek your privilege Video or sth like that& also I basically stalk emplemon, I know his name, where he went to high school and that he was a math tutor in grade 10
Heli The Chemical ill be petty and say heâs Half Asian, calling him either is inaccurate and semi disrespectful to one parent or the other. He has a Chinese mother and an American White father.
But do Seasons 4 and 5 work without Season 3; the answer is no. Because there's a lot of established points that the later seasons entirely hinge upon. It's the setups and character explorations that put the characterisation set pieces in order ready for those later seasons. The whole god complex issue is literally addressed in season 3 and 4 but spurred out of the events of season 2.
watching the initial segment of the vid about adult swim and how they "handed artists the reins" to make the shows they wanted, is disappointing knowing that Sam Hyde and Million Dollar Extreme received the exact opposite treatment just for their political leanings.
season 3 was still good, while not as good as 1 and 2, it wasn't bad as 4 and 5. I think they jumped the shark with the time travel snakes episode. they broke their "no time travel" rule. seasons 4 and 5 have the most bad or filler episodes. it's like they fired the writers or something. it's jarring. season 3 still felt like made by the same people.
You should do the history of Antarctic expeditions. I thought that when you did the world highest jump record progression, it was really cool. So, maybe this could be better. Just an idea.
I actually like the therapist scene, too many fans think of themselves as a "Rick", and the therapist kind of highlighted how that's not a good thing. It was a well written scene, really the only issue I had with it is how most "Ricks" probably didn't listen, and were too busy losing their minds over Pickle Rick. So I think it's more of an issue with the episode and placement than the scene itself.
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Mike Wert2020-08-02 23:49:59 (edited 2020-08-02 23:51:49 )
I agree. Stripping the "mysticism" of the show was brilliant. Rick isn't amazing, hes just a guy, and a pretty broken one at that. But when the fandom ignored that bit and hyperfocused on a lame joke, I think the creators realized how much their vision of the show had diverged with the audience's. So much so that I believe they didn't know what to do after that. Of course, Pickle Rick might have been the vision all along and our interpretation of the show is the one not in sync with the author's.
@LTB Yeah, that part of it is a little goofy, but i've seen muuuuch worse writer inserts! Like that one dude who put his self insert into the powerpuff girls reboot to date blossom.
@Shadow111111 I don't see why a character on screen for a few minutes in the entire series would need to be anything else though. Not every minor character needs to be fleshed out!
Yeah, imo the fandom was getting out of hand. To many people think rick is a role model, the therapist scene was needed to make people stop using the show to justify being assholes. The irony is people that think rick is great tend to hate the therapists
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Rude My Dude2020-08-06 02:41:42 (edited 2020-08-06 02:42:58 )
@Lurk Snitchtongue i was actually confusing mary sue with jane doe, my bad, but either way, she was a therapist doing her job for a few minutes, why would they need to show her flaws, to prevent "mary sueism"? what would be the point? And what would the viewers gain out of it when the scene is supposed to be about Rick going to therapy?
@Rude My Dude therapists aren't nearly that heavy handed, they don't have "gotcha!" moments because it'll only make a patient clam up and dislike them.
Electric Boogie I get what youâre saying, from an outside perspective, it does seem like a âgotchaâ, but in context of the scene, Rick insulted the therapist and the idea of her career, and what she said boils down to âfrom what your family has told me, youâre just as imperfect as the rest of usâ She didnât attempt to alienate him, she was just being realistic, and going off of what she was told
@Rude My Dude The crux of being a therapist is not being emotional and doing your best to help patients my boy, even if they insult you, especially if they insult you. Insults are usually a self defense mechanism, and the dumbest thing a therapist could do is fire back with condescension. Their job is to break through shells, not make them even thicker. That's why it comes off as a self insert of the writer who just wanted to own Rick.
Its also super out of character for Rick to respond the way he did - which is another reason it comes off as so cringy. as EZPZ put it "in a past season he would have broken down her belief in herself and her career, then sold her into slavery to aliens not out of malice, but so he could play video games at a galactic arcade." And that's someone who doesn't even like the show saying that. That outcome would have been infinitely more in the tone with the show, actually funny, and not feel like a blatant self insert mary sue.
People don't just think a character is a mary sue for no reason; the biggest red flag that a character is a mary sue is when they have an intellectual gravitational field. That is to say if being around a character saps another character of their intelligence or competence, the first character is probably a Mary sue.
â@Lurk Snitchtongue I'm not saying that you don't have a reason to think she's a Mary Sue, I just disagree. I don't know man, I thought it was a good contrast to Rick's lack of emotional intelligence. Also that scenario sounds waaaay more like later Rick than early Rick, he was always an asshole, but he had heart (well, for the most part)! Now he's one step away from "Jerkass Homer" but with a brain and a bodycount
@Rude My Dude A: a good writer doesn't moralize his characters so heavy handedly. As Chekhov once said, you only write the truth, to look at it subjectively is up to the reader. B: Building your writing around the lowest common denominator is how you make shit.
â@Rude My Dude You're defending this scene like its an abusive lover. People don't need to analyse a scene for it to feel off, bad writing is pretty widely recognized even if you can't explain why its bad. For example: the scene in question. Analysis of writing is simply explaining why a scene doesn't work, but recognizing it as not working is something most people can do inherently. Kind of like how you can recognize a smoking engine is bad even if you can't explain what exactly is wrong with your car.
@Lurk Snitchtongue LIKE AN ABUSIVE LOVER? yeah you got me dude, this scene gaslit me and now everything in my life revolves around this 3 minute scene that i enjoyed when I watched it once because without it i'm craaaazy
â@Lurk Snitchtongue Writing is subjective, it's an art, all I said in my original statement is that I liked it. I'm really sorry you feel so strongly about it, at least enough to come back to it a week later. I encourage you to disagree.
â@Rude My Dude >writing is subjective lmao. No its not. Whether you like a work is subjective, but there are objective qualifiers of good writing. The only people who say writing is subjective is people trying to defend trash writing that they have run out of arguments for (you). You started with saying its a well written scene, but how can that be true if all writing is subjective? Couldn't you only say its a scene that's written in an enjoyable way to you? Of course that's idiotic, there are such things as well written or poorly written scenes, you're simply back peddling because you can't respond to someone who actually understands what goes into good writing.
@Lurk Snitchtongue Uhhhhhhhh, I think you're aggrandizing this entire conversation to be some kind of debate to win or lose, so if it makes you feel any better, you win? I really thought we agreed to disagree like a week ago
Agreed. The scene did speak to the audience, but I feel that chalking the Therapy Scene in Pickle Rick scene up to that, and that alone, overlooks an important point.
The therapist accurately nailed and spelled out Rick's issues not just to his face, but to Beth's and the kids'. And Beth and Rick immediately blew it off, which tells us a lot about... well, okay, it doesn't tell us anything about Rick that we didn't know already, but it speaks volumes to Beth's willingness to overlook her father's issues to the detriment of her family, even when she gets slapped across the face with them, even as she claims she wants to fix them. Therapy was HER idea!
Beth wants things to get better, but she doesn't want to acknowledge why they're bad. She wants someone to give her an answer that doesn't involve admitting her father is toxic and horrible. She doesn't want to listen. But the kids? The kids listened, and wanted to go back... and were ignored.
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Buffy Summers2020-08-18 07:36:03 (edited 2020-08-18 07:38:21 )
Rick has narcissistic tendencies and therefore attracts fans with narcissistic tendencies in themselves who relate to him and are drawn to his perceived indifference, as that is something they tend to strive for and lack resulting from their obsession with image above all else, along with his elevated intelligence that allows him to be so entitled, resonating with either how they view themselves or wish to view themselves as a means of justification for those self-serving behaviors, and ultimately because one of the main traits of narcissism is the inability to accept personal criticism on any level they are only capable of deflecting her criticism.
Frankly Iâve recently been developing a theory that narcissism is becoming more and more common in society which is why Iâm so genuinely grateful that the progression of awareness in things like mental illness advocacy, therapy, and care for mental health has allowed for them to become much less stigmatized and more commonly propagated because otherwise narcissists and people with narcissistic tendencies are significantly less likely to get the help they need and thus further adding to the problem by passing on these traits to future generations.
Why do I take the time to write things like this, though, is what is truly most baffling.
Same. It was satisfying because itâs exactly what I had wanted to yell at the narcissists blindly idolizing Rick like they do Tyler durden or bojack horseman
@Lurk Snitchtongue That's why characters need some flaws. However, Mary Sues are perfect but the biggest irony is that the "perfection" is part of a flaw as well. Take a look at One Punch Man, for example. He's a superhero who is extremely overpowered and being OP is one of his flaws.
Imagine that you have a life as a Mary Sue. You got your strengths, you got a lot of people who adored you, and you get everything you want. The problem is that your "perfection" is nothing more than just an obstacle course that easily prevent you from living in a normal life as a human being. Perfection is just an illusion where being "neat" can make you inhumane. That's why flaws are important to everyone. We all made mistakes, and once you made mistakes can depend whatever the fate you come across -- fixing it or facing the karma of your actions.
@nerdtronis141 I would say the whole season was great, the mysticism if anything is the serialized story going on between seasons and they show very little because I donât think Rick and morty is trying to be deep as much as itâs trying to be entertaining and explore ideas we donât expect, making it a hit or miss show but the new season was great IMO
@Lurk Snitchtongue While the Rick and Morty memes are fine, I think the fandom took it way too seriously for that one. Memes are just Internet jokes for fun, not acting like it's a trophy for being a comedian at some sort.
27:30 fast forward to now and Rick and Morty is STILL a super marketing machine ads they make with companyâs get put in videos with millions of views and interest in the show as at an all time high
Season 5 is basically Family Guy. Crazy, "zany and random" stuff happens and then everything's back to normal at the end of the episode with no impact on the characters. The latest episode featuring Bird Person was a nice change though and there was actually some backstory and development.
nochtczar less edgy, more just nonsensical and less appealing to basically anyone but the showâs creators. Too bad the show is actually really good and super fucking funny lol
@PatrickTheGod Drug trip with PS2 graphics that feels insightful and completely meaningless at the same time. It's very similar to The Shivering Truth, which is a more modern Adult Swim fever dream about nothing. XRA's incoherent ramblings have amazing untapped meme potential: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJ__1lmPJWY
Season 1 was great. Season 2, not so much, especially when Xavier stopped sounding like a wise shaman spouting off insane nonsense and more like someone deliberately trying to be wacky and random.
It's really sad what Rick and Morty has turned into. When I first heard about it, I brushed it off as another Family Guy rip off but after seeing Rick try to off himself, I ended up binge watching the whole thing. Season 2 was definitely the best and probably the most heartfelt with a lot of fun episodes and now it seems like the show has become essentially a Family Guy in space. I agree with all you said about season 3, besides like 3 episodes, it really wasn't anything to write home about. Fortunately, they did retcon the fabricated backstory stuff which I never cared for anyway especially with how Rick reacted, I knew something had to be up with the whole Beth and Diane situation even if what happened may not have been true. Season 3 was essentially a very mediocre season with a couple episodes that were some of the lowest for the series. It didn't help that each season was worse than the previous. Season 5 was outright horrible. There was barely anything memorable besides jokes here and there and finally revealing some lore. That's all, like I can't recommend that season at all. The good parts (which aren't a whole lot of) are all on youtube.
Characters don't grow, consequences don't last or matter, and every character seems to be a Rick in some way, which ruins the original dynamic of especially Rick and Morty themselves. I was fine with Morty as the anxious, normal, innocent kid but now he just seems like a mostly sociopathic angsty teen rebel whose motivations are now selfish and even sometimes evil instead of altruistic. While they brought his altruism back for the penultimate season 5 episode, it was pretty much for only one scene, the rest of the episode just involves him selfishly trying to make friends with a crazy person.
I also miss the more heartwarming moments of the show. I'm not going to say that there aren't any but they seem to be getting less and less as Rick becomes more distant from his family and his family becomes more hostile to him. While I do have a lot of problems with the fake breakup scene in and of itself, that scene could've been a great opportunity to show a genuine moment of affection from Rick but we didn't even get that. He just gave Morty his portal gun (MORTY, a GUY WHO FUCKS SHIT UP IN ALMOST EVERY ADVENTURE) and then bounced. Like no hugs or kisses. It really shows how unaffectionate Rick seems to be these past few seasons. In seasons 1 and 2, Rick was abusive but had a few moments of genuine bonding with his family and now Rick just seems to be distant and doesn't have that many heartwarming moments with his family anymore.
It's sad because even though I have never been the biggest fan of Rick and Morty, I had a lot of hope for the show. It was refreshing for its time and it had a lot of potential to grow and capitalize on its uniqueness and depth but instead, it just beats itself over and over again partly because of its dumb fanbase and because of how Adult Swim has been treating it (70 episodes?! come the fuck on!). Season 5 has made me so enraged to the point where I don't think I'd even really call myself a fan anymore. I lost respect for the show since season 4 but season 5 made me the most angry.
I'm not going to abandon all hope and I'm still going to continue watching the show if there's an episode I'm interested in but they seriously got to fix this show. Bring the original writers back and hopefully get Justin back assuming he's not too busy with Solar Opposites because at this point, I fear Rick and Morty is going to keep digging a deeper ditch until it becomes a complete shell of its former self, a show that nobody will care about in the future.
"can a fandom become so insufferable that it damages a show beyond repair" .... just ask the psycho fans over at Star Wars who try to get current actors to kill themselves because they don't agree with the writing of a character.
I don't really think the writers of the sequels were taking into account what most Star Wars fans wanted when they were writing their stories. That is an example of toxic fans, but I don't think it impacted the writing of the show much like he was talking about.
They messed that up on their own because the different teams for the movies had terrible communication between themselves. So the movies ended up being sloppily made because each movie was trying to go in a different direction.
I think the season finale of s5 gives me hope. Heâs no longer the smartest man in the multiverse⊠I really hope they make him vulnerable in a potential season 6
I like villains more because no matter what they're doing, they tend to have a reason for it, no matter how obtuse it may be. A hero only exists to stop the bad guy, and really their only considered good BECAUSE they try to stop bad shit from happening. If it wasn't for the villain, they'd probably just be a regular dude.
I think the therapist was there bc otherwise none of them, especially Rick is going to have a conversation and acknowledge his flaws on his own. Plus the writers could have also been saying with that episode, this is who Rick is, stop your theories lol even though everything the therapist says can definitely be gathered by everything we have seen and heard about Rick before the episode.
This is possibly a VERY underrated opinion in the Rick and Morty fandom..but I have no problem with Jerry. I don't like him, I don't HATE him...he's just there. I'm neutral when it comes to him tbh.
They should have made pickle Rick similar as fly episode in Breaking Bad. One out of the place episode to break tension and then have show go on same phase as before
I see Rick and Morty as the cartoon that showed the mainstream midia, and even fandom users, how flawed fandons are At the end of the day, fandoms in general were never meant to be consumed in big masses, and along with social midia, made us more anti-social than ever
Thereâs a reason the Ricklantis Mixup/Tales from the Citadel is the best rated episode of the show, because when they focus on the world, the relationships, the actual dark, nihilistic yet comedic world, instead of just one dark nihilistic man, itâs a much better show
Yeah, as much as I like the wacky fun episodes, I'm way more interested in the worldbuilding in Rick and Morty, that shit is really fun and creative, seeing a world shaped with different versions of 2 people and the relationship of these two individuals being the central piece of how that place is built. Basically, wacky stuff with actual consequences.
EmpLemon's wrong on this one. Rick and Morty is pretty bad. Its 'comedy' is terribly pretentious with Dan Harmon and Justin Roiland self inserting their weird fetishes.
that might actually be the best episode of the show, is barely funny, but it has good quality, season 3 was mostly mediocre with some decent moments (episodes 1, 7 and 8 were decent enough, the other not so much) but the show has already fallen
@Wyllowisp I think episodes like interdimention cable from season 1 and even the snakes episode in season 4 show the problem was never wakey adventures or specific story plots, just make something interesting, I hated the sedital until ricklantis mixup and the snakes episode is probaby my favourite from season 4 because it plays the obsurdity of a planet of just snakes completely straight the other episodes from Season 3 just bother me because I never came to the show to see a therapist tell Rick why he's unhappy but fail to do anything about it or Beth being fucked up kid because Rick was never around, i think the show is great why it just be's itself and doesn't care about making more people like it, Season 3's best episode to me is why Rick and Jerry just hangout, yeah Rick tells Jerry off but by the end of it they both respect eachother until later episodes make them get on eachothers nerves like what the hell happened, I guess nothing really does matter
Wyllowisp Morty as a character is so perfectly built to be our surrogate in this world, as naive as the audience and so the show is not jarring when Morty has things explained to him. When they only focus on Rick, and heâs the smartest man ever, they canât go into world building or explaining, because Rick already knows it all so thereâs nothing that needs to be explained to him, and when he explains things it never feels weighty because he explains it as if heâs seen it a million times, and heâs seen a million better things
Anime Reviews With Trip itâs a matter of taste and there are some episodes that fall completely flat for me. Donât really laugh at loud at any shows so the clever jokes do entertain me, but it gets a bit repetitive after a while
Nahuel Ahpa I personally think it is and itâs the best rated and the lack of out and out jokes is a real reason. The show is hugely influenced by nihilism and âthe absurdâ but it takes a very elitist view of these things threw Rick. Our Rick has the privilege of being able to laugh at the absurdity of it all, how nothing really means anything, like Albert Camus wrote about, but Tales of the Citadel shows us that isnât the reality. Not to get too bleak or philosophical but, yes laughing at the absurdity of everything might be great, but I still need to pay rent, and in that episode we see Ricks and Mortyâs who know the world is meaningless, theyâre no dumber than Rick C137, but they have lives they have to live.
So⊠I disagree that there is a âshow donât tell issueâ about how to feel. I think you are interpreting it the wrong wayâ to anyone these things were obvious, the therapist is a device to advance the show past the 4th wall where we accept the emotional weakness and vulnerability of the Rick character. Bethâs reliance on her relationship with her family and kids is the REAL narrative of that episode. I personally have enjoyed the journey to Rickâs playing field, because it means the fall is coming and I look forward to this. The plot devising is so much of what makes R&M flow so wellâ the nihilism is the aimlessness. The getting back is the aimlessness, that is the POINT!!!
I agree with a lot of this, but I did feel a sliver of hope with the most recent season's finale. It brought back a lot of the older family dynamics that I loved from earlier seasons, and despite Rick's crazy combat abilities he still gets the shit beat out of him with ease. Rick is shown up multiple times both intellectually and physically by his own daughter, and damn is it satisfying. Maybe I'm being too optimistic, but I'm hoping they're capture that same energy for the next season and bring back some of the show's old charm.
I think the last season was more all over the place in quality then the other season. It had some of the best episodes in the series and also some of the worst. Does not mean the show is actually bad now.
@A L yeah I like that space Beth is her own person and is a far cry better then she's been all series by having a life outside the family which she really needed, I feel toning down Rick was fine but the whole family shitting on him feels more like everybody not realizing chastising Rick for being unpleasant isn't gonna make him go "hey everyone your right I really should change my ways and be better" it's gonna make him isolate from the family more and I don't think they care
I actually feel like Rick wasn't handled that well in season 4. You bring up how he has "crazy combat abilities", but the writers' solution to it was to have him basically not use any of them. In one scene, he literally has a device that completely shields him from an actual smite from a greek god, flies directly to him, and then stops using any and all technology to have a fist fight with him and lose when the point of Rick is that he can and has probably already created an appropriate gadget to get him out of any threatening situation.
EarlNacht The Simpsons peaked with seasons 6 and 7 so you never know
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David Wong2022-04-28 12:27:58 (edited 2022-04-28 12:28:12 )
Though season 5 ended up being their weakest but I am hoping they take the cliff hangar they left us on seriously and introduce an element limitation to Rick in the season 6
In my opinion, this past season has been all about who Rick and Morty are when separated from each other. Think about it. There has been one, maybe two, if you count the turkey episode, (But that was more about Rick and Fauxbamaâs dynamic), where itâs actually beeen the standard Rick and Morty adventure. And while I certainly miss the dynamic, as I enjoyed how they played off of each other, especially in the later seasons, itâs a refreshing change and an interesting exploration of both their characters and what happens when a specific aspect of them gets out of control: Episode 1: Mortyâs crush on Jessica Episode 2: Rickâs plans for every eventuality Episode 3: Mortyâs need for love and companionship and Rickâs ultimate succumb to said need. Episode 4: As much as we all hate this episode, Mortyâs H O R N Y. Episode 5: Rickâs berating of Jerry and both Summer and Mortyâs needs to be popular (though thatâs just standard teenage fare) Episode 6: Rickâs overconfidence. Episode 7: Rickâs over-ambition Episode 8: Rickâs secret keeping and how he keeps important secrets from everyone unless he believes he needs to tell them. Now, the finale seems to be a much more overt exploration of the initial pitch, literally being marketed with, âWhatâs Rick without Morty?â We could get some stuff from the citadel this season if the possible pattern from seasons 1 and 3 keeps up or this could be an exploration of another facets of the characters of the two. Either way, Iâm looking forward to it, and hopefully it doesnât suck.
25:37 Don't forget the romanticisation of mob characters like: Tony Soprano, Tony Montana, Vito Corleone, every mob character DeNiro or Joe Pesci ever played etc.
I can't lie this video kinda made me wanna grab a bunch of animators and make "Rick And Morty: Season 2 Extended" and the arc of Rick being in intergalactic prison
Yeah I guess the therapist scene in the pickle rick episode is decisive because that was one of my favorite parts of the show and really resonated with me. I found it poignant and a cool counter punch to rick's ego that had been steadily building but then watching him blow her off in the car ride back just felt right. like this is a show where people don't learn lessons and have introspection for brief moments so to me it all felt fitting and maybe i'm just a sucker for snappy writing but she has some great lines in there. I watch rick and morty expecting to have my blown with some new whacky premise and watch terrible people deal with insane chaotic situations and have clever reparte along the way. I think the family element is important is it's the glue that holds the characters together but it isn't as essential as you make it out. I think if it was we'd miss more characters of the family. but we could go 3 episodes with out beth jerry or summer and not miss much.
I like how this video is basically the âyou have to be an intellect to fully understand Rick and Mortyâ copypasta but not really in the âpseudo intellectualâ way
It basically is the same considering he tried to connect it to Futurama, despite there being zero connection beyond both being comedies, solely because he enjoyed both of them.
@ChaosSwissroIl the video literally says that even though Futurama might be the first thing you compare it to, it has more in common with the Simpsons, though??
@AngryReacts OnlyPlease  @AngryReacts OnlyPlease 1) I've never watched Rick and Morty, and I never claimed to have a "high iq". 2) Your original comment appears to say that because there are different themes within Futurama and Rick and Morty that the two shows cannot be compared or related to each other. Emp's video showcases several reasons the shows can be compared. Therefore I assumed that you hadn't watched the video or missed the areas in which the shows are obviously comparable in your rush to make your point. 3) And calling me a "troglodyte" and "mongoloid" for making a single incorrect assumption shows you to be a shining pinnacle of human brilliance, doesn't it?
Can't have character development without repeating the same life lessons or the characters losing their characteristic flaws.
I'd say the deeper the character the longer the series goes on. But too much depth could feel artificial (unless...).
I wouldn't know how far a constant dupe would go - Having the character(s) seem to have learned from their mistakes, only to remake the same mistakes/avoidances. Just take The Simpsons for example. How did that show keep going?
May i also add that rick and morty was abit better at capturing an international audience whereas simpsons mainly captured north americans in the first few years of its existence. it helped ramp up the popularity online a great deal. There is just much more overall relatability in each episode.
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Lord Zacarius2021-02-28 23:07:43 (edited 2021-02-28 23:08:00 )
Liking a series and then having the fandom give it a horrible reputation is something that I hate so much, it happens to me more than it should
Sucks because a much more impressive and creative side of the fandom usually exists only to be derided because all the mega obsessed freaks with no creative input or contribution to the fandom destroyed it. So both the talented indivduals and the closet/casual fans are burned by extension
I Think rick and Morty possesses the unique ability to make a season for the fans on purpose, to grow its cultural presence, then disobey it and return to its roots by directly calling it out in the show. Dan Harmon expressed the same when he returned to Community in season 4 or 5, referring to the year of season 3 as the âgas leakâ year (or was it season 4 i forget, but still.) Rick and morty is redeemable.
Something that gets missed when talking about the Rick and Morty fandom is that the clip of the guy at mcdonalds did that purposefully to copyright the video and sell it as a "Cringe meme." he also had videos that showed him going to a library and renting out mein kampf, they too were copyrighted and sold.
The amount of episodes itâs getting compared to the time is pretty good in terms of anime time stares at attack on Titan and all those amazing anime that end at 12 episodes and never start again
This is the 2nd channel tonight thats surprised me with gran turismo music in the midst of the documentary lol its so cool to see such a variety of music... its fun recognizing all of your song choices! Great video!
I didnt knew people dont like the show? I thought it would still be hyped af. I love to see every episode and I'm thrilled for what happens next in the story
The therapist in Pickle Rick was actually a self-insert for one of the new writers on the show, who said something along the lines of âI wanted to put Rick in his place.â
Which is why Rick, so out of character, never responds to what the therapist says to him.
No matter what the showâs defenders say, this moment didnât have any meaning behind it. It was just a power fantasy for a new writer on the team.
Can anyone think of an example where a self-insert character hasn't turned out terribly? Seriously, it should be taught in Writing 101: NO SELF INSERTS.
On the DVD commentary for pickle Rick, one of the woman writers explains the idea was to castrate Rick's male power privilege or something, and the pickle Rick is a metaphor for Rick's penis having it's own adventure
Didn't she and Harmon have a podcast where she said the role was supposed to go to an Asian because racism in Hollywood? And that the uninterrupted monologue was just to give a diversity hire the spotlight? But the role ended up going to an established white actress anyway?
@C Good example. He's a good writer. Too bad Jessica Gao isn't anywhere near his level otherwise we could have avoided fanfiction levels of self-insert from her.
The show was good, the show is still good, the community was good, the community is no longer good. Sadly after pickle Rick it was blown up and everyone just memed it. They never returned to the original style.
Another example of people not really knowing why they like what they like. Artists shouldn't listen to fans, if fans knew about that sort of stuff they'd be artists themselves.
It's double edged. Sometimes you get producers/show runners working on an established IP, who don't understand what made it great in the first place. i.e. new Star Trek.
Listen to fans, but also listen to your own logic, and understand the thing you're making. If you don't understand, listen to fans and yourself and what you know, and combine it.
Just becaus they can't write a show themselves, doesnt mean they cant see what you cant see. But that applies in the reverse. You have the ability to see things they can't, and you can use thier ideas if you truly get the show you make. If you don't, then you're flawed in making the show, not flawed for listening.
The better phrase you may've meant was "Dont be influenced by fans to the point you go with their word over yours every time, that will only lead to entropy of the art." But i get your POV. I just vehemently disagree.
Season 3 was uneven but it had some gems like Tales from the Citadel and overall there were more laughs than I feel there were in Seasons 4 and 5. With 5 done, looking back the season felt more off than 3 with a lot of it feeling forced. It felt like a fanfic version of the show and this probably because most of the crew were relatively new having only come in that season or the last one. The ideas were interesting but they weren't executed well or as I've saying describing the episodes make them sound funnier and wilder than actually watching them.
what i like about rick and morty is the dark humor, the cool schi-fi and fantasy but allso the wierd feeling the theme gives, it feels just wierd but you still get it, and the dark humor mixed in makes it sound less stupid as when i watch a movie with drama i often remember the flash series wich was good in the beggining but after a while characters just turn stupid and making up pointless meanings in life that don't make any sens. and it felt the same when ever i watched a serius movie.
@Ad3l It's pretty weird considered that Adult Swim aired the whole series of Samurai Jack from Season 1 to 5 despite the fact that it's still a kid show back then.
@Ad3l It does but Adult Swim owned it anyways. If you look at their official YouTube channel, there's some scenes that appeared on the previous seasons besides S5. Just check them out.
@Andrew Burke hey yo man idk if you know this but Mumkey is still on YouTube! Search "Simian Jimmy", it's his new channel, it's been around for awhile and there's some pretty good content on there!
I've been watching it since the beginning, and witnessing the trendy insane fandom rise and fall has been a ride. They leveled back Rick's power level in the new season and some fans are pissed. I blame the marketing and fandom that propelled this show up and out into the zeitgeist. It was smartly written out with story beats, dialogue that wasn't cringe, yet it was utterly stupid and fun. Somewhere down the line everyone forgot this and it was the smartest show on television when it was a well thought out show that just took time to make also Warner being greedy with the 8 month long negotiations going back and forth.
At the beginning of the vid he says he doesn't like how they changed the formula.... then at the end he says maybe they should try changing the formula, and he respects their creative experimentation đ€Šââïž
In my opinion, Pickle Rick's therapy segment was ingenious. For the first time in the show, ironically Rick's omnipotence factor was taken away in a sense RATHER than perpetuated. He was shown to have lesser intelligence than the therapist. Emotional intelligence.
Nah that was a self insert that at best was perpetuating a sense of âhigh IQ commentaryâ that makes people hate the show for its seemingly âmore smarter than thouâ attitude
Ironically enough the show explains this feeling quite well in one of the episodes where rick dismantles the heroes via a jigsaw esk series of traps
I think the line went like âeven if you are right, if you are an asshole no one wants to agree with youâ or something like that.... which makes sense, this self insert felt legitimately like a âhah look at me, Iâm just a normal human person who totally isnât a self insert with meta knowledge of the show itself which allows me to strike at the shows favorite character, Rick in a way that no other character canâ
The whole âcommentaryâ on rickâs character would have felt stronger if it came from one of the family.... I mean, they know him more than some random fucking therapist who had just met him.... literally ask anyone who has gone to a therapist, especially family therapists.... they all admit that it didnât do much or if it did, the effects simply didnât stick and as such the family reverted plus the whole field of psychology has been proven countless times to be one of The lowest sciences simply due to its lack of replicate-able tests.... in essence, psychology is borderline pseudoscience from the fact a lot of it simply canât be verified with enough data.... Iâm not saying all of psychology is like, just a lot of it tends to be so. An added note to make also is that half of the cast at this point lacks significance Iâd argue.... they donât have as much permanence (since you know, every time rick fucks up, he just goes to another universe and everything is back to normal)
Yeah, well that's how intelligence works, it's not just a metric where you have dumb people with low intelligence and smart people with lots of intelligence, intelligence is rather a mix of your understanding of multiple different things, someone can be a great mathematician while having no emotional intelligence, they might struggle with interpersonal intelligence and socializing but they have great intrapersonal understanding of themselves.
I mean becoming more confident in your intelligence is more about finding what you understand and what you don't understand, rather than trying to expand your comprehension of everything as a whole, because even then; your learning will be gravitated towards certain topics more than others. Intelligence is knowing when you know something, wisdom is knowing when you don't know something.
They did remove most of his augmentations recently so that's nice. Doesn't help that he still has enough guns to kill cities, even his innocent little partner is killing too.
Looking back at the Halcyon days of R&M, it's never gonna be the same. I thought season 3 was good. Put simply it had the same energy of season 1-2, 4 and 5 feel like a different beast trying to emulate what was there before. Not a lot of good clever humor. That improv was the best. Not a lot of anything really. season 5 had like 3 good episodes? 4 about the same I guess. I don't know, everything these past few years, media, appstore releases, video games, movies, chans, they've all gone downhill almost inexplicably. What used to be an update is now DLC, and if TF2's MvM were released today it would be an entirely different game. You can't find shit on google or elsewhere, things seem to be coalescing and all becoming vapid feedback loops or all cashgrabs. I think if this passes 2019-2022 will be seen as a weird grey period between a media golden age and a bot-free wild west internet, and discerning people making their own way.
Heres a rule: nobody whos ever been to comicon should ever get to decide the future of a series, ever. Your fanatical devotion over some piece of media is not only cringe, but somehow also incredibly basic. Memorizing every line of Star Trek doesnt make you any smarter or a better critic of sci-fi than anyone else, and if anything, probably the opposite.
Or you can just let people enjoy what they want to enjoy. I agree fandoms shouldnât prompt changes in a show, but people are allowed to be apart of them
Jack Frost And Jerry is a prime example of going from a character youâre supposed to hate, to ending up being one of your more sympathetic characters.
I don't particularly dislike the mindless fun that the last seasons bring. It's just not as impactful. I remember being a teenager this show really blew my mind and put me in a different place. I guess I was so afraid that the show was canceled because of the delays of the 3rd season that I got satisfied with anything that came after.
it seems like most things i enjoy later become a fandom like steven universe, rick and morty, etc. so I feel super ashamed for enjoying it and I never say I enjoy them because im worried that people will think i am one of those people and make people dislike me.
I can tell you from free the writers are not people pleasers at all. they constantly do not bow down to what the fans want. and who tf watches rick and morty for tensionđđđ
"There is no empirical, scientific reason to care about others." Caring about others tends to lead to increased chances of survival as people generally tend to be more willing to help those who are more likely to help them. The ability to cooperate with others is an evolutionary advantage.
EmpLemon has some bad takes like this in other videos as well. He said something along the lines of "Morality is relative" in a recent video. Moral relativism is insane.
@Michael Harbach Morality IS relative. Not everyone is as empathetic person as those around them. The reason we can work as a society is that most of us see the same things wrong or right but the reason the world feels like shit some times is that some people just don't care. I don't know if those people feel that they are doing something wrong or really just don't feel nothing at all.
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Michael Harbach2021-01-06 17:41:14 (edited 2021-01-06 17:41:51 )
@nefelibatacomingthrough first of all, we don't function well as a society (e.g. war, discrimination, wealth disparity, and pollution). Secondly, I'd love to hear you explain to me how rape is moral. Oh, you can't? That's because morality is not relative. Societal norms do not dictate what is moral. For example, there are societies that will fill a stadium to watch an animal be tortured to death for their sick amusement. Do you argue this is moral because that particular society says so? Moral relativism is just as dumb & false as subjectivism.
@Michael Harbach Weak examples. Differences don't have to bee that drastic. The society works, it's not perfect but it works in some level. Again, go back and read every sentence in that comment. I have nothing more to say since I don't see any need to converse with trolls or idiots in the internet.
@Michael Harbach it is moral to THEM,that's the point,like gladiatorial battles to the death may be seen as amusing to one society while to another it may be seen as sickening Those societies have different moral compasses,and therefore different sights as to what's good and bad,morality is subjective as people can see different things as right and wrong depending on either how they are raised,and which society they are raised in
@Michael Harbach actually that seems pretty dumb,I thought it meant like society-wise but a given belief system (such as a religion) CAN influence that decision
@Michael Harbach I think the original guy you were responding to was unfamiliar with the term moral relativism. Both of you were arguing on different wavelengths.
He was, (as far as I could tell) talking about how in the society we live in, morality and our values can differ depending on nature / nurture - (environment we grew up in, social background, values instilled in us during childhood, etc etc). How we empathise with others and perceive the world changes dependent on our perspective and understanding.
Whereas you were arguing that the philosophical position of moral relativism is really really stupid. As in, there are actions that no matter what the society / culture deems them, should be seen as morally reprehensible.
I think this whole thread was just a big misunderstanding. You were talking about concepts unfamiliar to them. But maybe cut them some slack next time, I think you were a little mean haha
@ΊÏÏÎ·Ï Human beings require social interaction. We are social creatures by nature. The effects of isolation are very well studied, and are shown to almost be entirely negative.
@Michael Harbach yeah and you started talking about subjectivism, like that may sound similar but obviously 1+1=2. relative is different than subjective, first off. second, i think moral relativism is a valid thing because what we view as moral could be viewed as horrendous and rude and terrible by a higher society, or us 100 years later. I understand that slaughtering animals for meat may be incorrect now that we have the technology and systems in place to replace meat protein or domestication of animals, but 200 years ago that shit did not matter. they made do, didn't murder each other, and killed the shit out of millions of bison. they didn't know. we don't know we don't know. Morals are relative to our understanding of what we see as cruel or morally "wrong."
@boomer funny jim gaffigan Your argument boils down to "Rape is moral because the rapist might not know any better" which is insane. Rethink your position. Whether or not a person/society knows that something is immoral is irrelevant to the truth about its morality. This isn't some magic realm where "I believe something, therefore it is true" holds any weight. Subjectivism is actually the perfect comparison because if someone says "The earth is flat" then we can scientifically/mathematically prove them incorrect, and their belief in the flatness of the world doesn't change the truth of the matter.
When you have some you care for you have some youâd protect them from, thus furthering conflict, evolution takes it both ways by caring about your family youâll siege war on anotherâs
@Froggy Agreed,like,why do i need empathy or have to be social,what a shithead to say that we are social,when we are actually Anti - Social,as humanity a whole though. Society is a messed concept,there's no such thing as Society,you just have to be social to gain something,if not,Just do what you want,Human nature is itself sociopathic so yeah,if it existed these of guddie x baddie,world would be perfect,but it isn't so...
@Froggy Sure, but you'd have to do it carefully, since if they figure out that you don't actually care, they'll be MUCH less likely to want to help you, and in fact may want to hurt or hinder you. The risk/reward ratio of merely pretending to care may be worse than actually caring.
@Fellow G̶o̶y̶i̶m̶ White The fact that humanity only got as far as it did because of cooperation blows what you said out of the water. Tribes cooperated, all of our progress technologically is because of cooperation. Society exists because humanity invented it, you going "we are anti-social because I personally don't think so" doesn't hold a candle against that truth.
@boomer funny jim gaffigan It all depends on logic. In my opinion, I believe most people should stop believing that since something is moral/immoral we must do/not do it. An action can be immoral and yet we would still do that action. For example, killing animals is definitely immoral but we would still kill them for meat. Sometimes, it's hard to know whethe something is bad or not, is killing flies wrong? This is where logic comes into play. Here's a rule we have always known, murder is wrong unless... Unless it's baby Hitler, or unless it's a rich guy, or unless it's something. This where the moral gray area begins, and it's very simple to say murder is wrong UNLESS, UNLESS is when murder being immoral starts to be a complex topic. I believe that moral relativism is dumb, morality depends on logic. There's no such thing as rape being 'okay', maybe unless it's a pedophiles people would start getting divided on the subject. But overall rape is certainly bad when it harms innocent people, this has no justification.
@Michael Harbach Morality is relative like good and evil are subjective. The moral guidelines we develop for our selves in society isnât based on something objectively good or moral, itâs based on what we find to be helpful to our survival. Moral values change from country to country and from the past, to the present and it will probably change in the future. People in the middle ages werenât immoral or evil, they just had a different set of values which is usually decided by the society you grow up in.
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hans hansen2021-03-04 07:55:56 (edited 2021-03-04 08:02:16 )
@Michael Harbach A case for rape being moral: In a situation with severe declining birthrates where new children a desperately needed, you could argue it would be moral to rape someone who refuse to reproduce.
Subjectivity: Somethings can be considered a fact, like you mentioned that the earth is round, which would fall under the objectivity category, while things like which color is pretty or what you felt during a movie is subjective.
To add insult to injury, you've failed at reading comprehension with your example of subjectivity. The discussion was about subjectivism, which is a specific topic in the realm of philosophy. It means precisely what I've defined it to mean. You're example of people liking different colors is literally not an example of philosophical subjectivism. Your lack of education is astounding.
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hans hansen2021-03-04 12:00:45 (edited 2021-03-04 12:03:44 )
@Michael Harbach Haha mate, easy now. I will gladly admit I misunderstood subjectivism, but does that negate my other points or do you find them equally idiotic since you didnât respond to them? And I must say that I find it funny that you berate others for a lack of education, while clearly showing that you lack the knowledge to consider that there exist other forms of education and areas of expertise outside of different schools of philosophy.
Edit: Also your not âyouâreâ. That must have slipped your highly educated mind.
Lol the Taliban consider themselves freedom fighters and the west says they're terrorists but sure "mOrALitYy is objEeeCTIve!" đ€Šââïžđ€Šââïžđ€Šââïžđ€Šââïž
@Le Bonk To be fair, Itâs mainly Michael thatâs being toxic from what I see. The other comments so far arenât that bad, but hey, thatâs just my subjective opinion.
I think you are missing the exact point, but only by a tiny hair. The key word here is "care". You can do positive things for other people, helping them, and being collaborative and therefore gaining the evolutionary advantage without a shred of actual caring. Plenty of the worst people to ever exist "helped" others, but they probably didn't care. Some of the most skilled collaborators turn out to be scumbags. Therefore, there's no reason to care; only to appear to care. Still, I agree with the fundamental idea of your comment.
@Le Bonk "oh no I started a conversation that isn't going exactly as I'd hoped. Better shut the whole thing down!!" đ€Šââïžđ€Šââïžđ€Šââïž
@Andrew Marshall If by "isn't going exactly as I'd hoped" you mean "has devolved into a shit-flinging competition in which ad hominem and facepalm emojis are accepted as valid substitutes for actual arguments and the topic is no longer relevant to the parent comment itself"
@ΊÏÏÎ·Ï okay does Rick grow his own food? Does he make his own water? Does he provide himself with a house? Does he derive pleasure from dominating others on his own? No, he's reliant upon others, just like EVERYONE is. This hyperindividualism nonsense that ur spouting is completely baseless and scientifically invalid. Survival is a common goal, not an individual pursuit, that's literally just how human beings work.
This entire comment chain is just a nutshell embodiment of how stupid people on the internet can be. Especially ones that watch shows like Rick and Morty
@ΊÏÏÎ·Ï !! Only read if you have nothing better to do and are okay with being bored to death !!
that's a pretty bad take. while I agree that morality is sort of just a made up concept and completely relative it does make sense. we need it. there's a reason it's there. first of all people have a social need. we are social creatures and to fill that social need we need a support system and people we know we can count on in case something really bad happens(what we would define as love). we need approval from other people because it makes us feel good. it's also a human need. now, how do we get that? by being nice. now being nice wouldn't be a thing at all without morals. how else would you determine what makes a person "nice" and what not? even if we didn't have language there'd still be morals. people would know to like you if you help then hunt for food and they'd know to dislike you if you threw rocks at them. without morality both these acts are exactly the same amout of good or bad but you'd still know one is bad for you and the other one is good. because we've determined these rules we can function in a society without us all killing each other and shit (mostly). so while morals are relative they are still very much needed to function or they'd be nothing to stop people from ripping off your arm for no reason at all. we know what is right and what is wrong based on what we know we wouldn't want to happen to us. and so we apply that to other people and don't do it to them.
now that the basic concept of morality and why it is extremely important is out of the way, let's get to your argument. a meeseecks box isn't enough. not at all. as people we need other *people*. it's like a person couldn't be happy if they were forever alone but had a fucking bird to talk to. it wouldn't be the same. we are programmed to live in social settings and groups because we are social creatures. let's say aliens are real (which they probably are) then they would most likely have different morals, different language and a different behavior than us so talking to them would most likely just feel the same as talking to a bird. it wouldn't satisfy you. in rick and morty most aliens are depicted very "human-like" but they probably wouldn't be like that outside of a TV show. rick can also communicate with people from other dimensions. for that he also needs morals though. of course he can travel to a dimension where people don't have morals but people would most likely be ripping each other's heads off so I don't think he'd want to look for a support system there. he'd most likely look for a dimension similar to earth because humans need other *humans*. and then, to make relationships, he'd need to act moral.
so in conclusion, you can't really be happy without morals. you'd be alone and miserable and fucking hate yourself, perhaps even off yourself. I'm sorry if this is incredibly long and just over-analizing your comment for no real reason but I'm kinda sick of rick and morty fans running around saying they are smarter than everyone because they've cracked the code and they are the only one's who understand how meaningless everything is. (I'm sorry if this isn't what you were trying to say) things are the way they are for a reason. maybe it's not a deep, spiritual reason that warms hearts but there are reason to why shit is the way it is. if you read all that, I'm sorry for wasting your time. (also sorry for my english, it's not my first language.)
I remember watching Rick and Morty when season 1 was still new, and was completely shocked when it became popular out of nowhere right before season 3. Iâll never forget how strange of it period it was seeing something so niche hit main stream so fast, with so much lame merch like Funko pops and people who treated it like it was the New Testaments. I think the final straw was when Dan Harmon had a meltdown on twitter over the McDonalds incident. By the time of season 4, Iâm not sure what to make of it since itâs kind of just around but still popular, but the clips Iâve scene of it arenât as good. I guess this is what happens when a show like it comes around when reddit is prevalent, since that is where itâs most popular community activity is
I know what you mean. An animator friend of mine introduced me to the show when it was still relatively unknown and I was immediately hooked with it's aloof awareness of the general dysfunction in society. Then it blew up and to avoid drowning in the torrent of normie meme culture surrounding the show, I made my enjoyment of Rick & Morty a much more private affair.
I had a very close experience too, only talking about it with two other friends who enjoyed it and got into it from the beginning. I still only talk to them about it and not any others lol, but personally I have been enjoying season 4 so far (took a break from watching it to focus on stuff, but I'll finish it soon.)
I often wonder what would the fandom of 90's shows like The Simpsons South Park, Family Guy ect. be like if they premiered in the social media/internet age, yes fans would buy the merch and quote the show but that's as far as it went not many really saw themselves in characters like Homer, Bart, Cartman or Stewie and for those are the ones that did you wouldn't hear about it unless you really knew that person, social media has made it so easy for fans to express their love or sometimes hate for a show that they fall into that toxic trap where they think their fan fics are worth pitching to a show they have no business writing for, obsession never has a good outcome and just blinds them to miss the point entirely especially young fans they see themselves in Rick or Bojack because they struggle with identity irl, I treat Rick and Morty like any other animated sitcom it definitely has it's flaws but when it delivers on it's odd randomness and nuggets of comedy the pay off is immensely huge, the lore of the show I've honestly never cared about because it's obvious the creators are trolls and love to torment the audience that take it so seriously especially in the later seasons, they constantly flip the script on everyone everytime and that's a fact
I donât think that itâs Rickâs intellect that isolated him. I think itâs his failure to accept that meaning doesnât have to be objective. Because value is subjective, he thinks it doesnât matter. Itâs hypocritical, because only valuing objectivity, is a value judgement.
But the issue is, the smarter you are, the harder is to relate to most human beings, let alone enjoy their company. Even I hate the average person and think they're dumber than pig shit. George Carlin had a quote that was like, "Think of how dumb the average person is, now realize how many people there are even dumber than that." Now imagine being a 250 IQ big-brain Redditor like Rick. It'd be hard to relate to anyone, let alone find a redeeming purpose for humanity.
The thing that doesn't make sense though, is that Rick is smart enough to fix all the intellectual flaws in humanity and social issues we face so he could find people to relate to. He just chooses not to because he's also a selfish bastard.
@Mcheetah the thing is, Rick is only smart academically. He's emotionally incompetent because of his pettiness and need for control of the family, socially abhorrent due to how many enemies he makes, and there have been times where Jerry has outshone him by helping the family through survival skills when it was Rick's science that caused a problem.
It's Rick's pretentiousness and failure to value other forms of intellect outside of academics that makes him so miserable.
Fart jokes and a bunch of copy-pasted stuff from philosophy textbooks. Lets the fans think they're very clever boys while watching a show full of fart jokes and terrorising McDonald's staff trying to do their jobs.
Wow, I actually really liked season 3 more than seasons 2 and 1 :/ I personally thought the Vindicators and pickle rick episode were super hilarious and fun to watch.
Since the end of season 3 the family drama and now all weâre left with bang bang shoot shoot of ridiculous cannibalistic underground âhorse peopleâ called the chums. BRING BACK THE OLD SHOW not some sci-fi western!
I kind of like how the hype for the show mostly vanished and now the writers can just focus on making the show they like instead of trying to please the audience
Digibro, mere moments before losing his God damn mind, said it best- The reason Rick and Morty went down hill is because roiland finished telling Rick's story at the end of season 2. It's why he v started working on Solar Opposites. Roiland has always been the creative heart of the show Harmon just translates it into something palatable to a mainstream audience.
How a fandom negatively influences a work of art is exactly how it is for an anime called "My Hero Academia". Fandom ruined it and people started to not see it as a good show anymore, and I started to feel embarrassed to like it, even when I shouldn't be.
Japanese creators in general dont give a fuck about fan opinions. At worst, an overzealous editor who places the audience's response over the author's vision can negatively impact the story, but Shounen Jump editors seem to know what they're doing judging by their track record. MHA is in good hands.
I feel this way about being a Sonic fan sometimes just cuz of the weirdo's and bad people that give us all a bad name. I am nothing like those people but I feel embarrased to be associated with them at times. It doesn't help popular influencers like Game Grumps always sh*t on us when ever given the opportunity.
It sucks when a few bad apples in a fandom make other people look bad who just so happend to enjoy a certain show, game, movie ect.
Iâm in the MHA fandom. If you wanna avoid the more annoying parts of the fandom, just read the manga. The manga fandom is much smaller and a lot less cancerous. And the manga is damn good too
raptorkil honestly, why do you think itâs bad though. The only reasons Iâve ever seen people give are 1) bad fan base (not an actual critique of the show) or 2) it adheres to much to common tropes (it doesnât)
I think the existence of this video and all the video essays like it is very unusual.
For me, Rick and Morty walks a pretty identical path that Community did. Community was an irreverent comedy that took its charming setting and used it to make meta jokes and remix classic television formulas in a way that was extremely ahead of itâs time. Watching any episode of Community is almost surreal because it feels like it could have aired yesterday instead of 10 years ago.
But people donât talk about Community in the same way they do Rick and Morty. Rick and Morty always seems to have this pressure to be the greatest, most unique, and boundary breaking show on TV when thatâs a really unfair expectation.
Itâs a perfectly fine show. Seriously. The Pickle Rick episode is fine. It introduces a desperately needed element of emotional intelligence into the show that it would continue to build on in later seasons. Rick and Morty may have changed but it definitely has not declined. Its evolving at a rate that feels like itâs keeping pace with the mileage theyâre able to get out of the themes they introduce.
Itâs a good show burdened by unfair expectations.
The saddest moment in this show is not Rick trying to off himself, not Morty having to bury his dead self, and not even the Fart's death scene. It's fucking Doofus Rick leaving which I think speaks volumes about what people don't understand about the show.
I don't agree that Star Wars would at it's core be about disfunctional families. Seeing the first film as a possible stand alone movie, which it could have ended up being, refutes that.
For me, it's clear that it's a show about good and evil, and making the hard choices over the simple (but evil) ones.
While I understand why people would disregard season 3 as losing its foothold in the more serious analysis of the characters, I personally regard it as the moment where the writers become more self-aware about what the show really portrayed. I'm not talking about what the showrunners (probably) wanted to portray in the first two seasons, but about what they ended up portraying. You explained quite well what you thought they wanted to depict through the alleged accountability of Rick, but while I agree with you in understanding the series that way, I don't believe that it is the most straightforward explanation to what's happening before your eyes. The most straightforward explanation for Rick and Morty having to escape their universe and bury their true selves isn't that Morty get's traumatized and that the consequences of their actions still live on, it is that they can now have a fresh start and Morty's trauma is once again played as a joke. The most straightforward explanation to Rick and Morty having to flee from crazy situations isn't that it reveals Rick's flaws, but that it is always Morty who ends up fucking things up by showing sympathy in an unknown universe where everything is a threat. The most straightforward explanation for Rick's capture isn't that he finally holds accountability, it is that he has become so depressed and nihilistic that he has allowed himself to get captured, Billy the Kid style, in what is probably the ultimate flex. To me, this point is actually where the series peaks in its nihilism.
Season 3 reads to me as the writers acknowledging that while the series does show Rick's flaws, it is his strengths that prevail in the end because he is the only character in this universe capable of defending himself. This is shown time and time again in almost every episode, whether they are heartfelt and touching like the F.A.R.T. one or more forgettable. What the series shows is that Rick's careless, nihilistic and extremely toxic (as Morty still ends up following him because he thinks of him as a role model, even though Rick hurts him countless times) is the only one that allows you to survive in this universe, because intelligence is everything there. You can't blame people for acting pedantic and relating to this flawed scientist character when every highlight moment of the series is allowed to exist because of this character. So, in season 3, I feel like the writers just went "to hell with this surface-level accountability that never goes anywhere, now we're gonna fully acknowledge that Rick is the central character of this universe and that he is basically a demigod". Is it less entertaining ? Probably, but at the same time I think it's also more honest. Getting really deep and straightforward with the consequences in a show isn't necessarily bad for comedy, it just doesn't blend well with the unhinged environment that had been set up here. If you want a series that portrays this kind of accountability really well, then BoJack Horseman is a great example.
Quick sidenote on the "dark" side of Rick and Morty: while some moments are indeed dark and disturbing in a good way, some are just purely gross. Showing Morty about to get raped by the jellybean isn't dark, it's just fucked up and this supposedly "mature" façade doesn't hold well for countless other moments of the show.
In the end, I do appreciate Rick and Morty, but mostly for the very creative universe and the excellent improv bits. My favorite episodes are the Interdimensional Cable ones and the Ricklantis Mixup, so probably the ones that don't actually try to involve the characters and just let the universe take its course. Gotta say also that even though I disagree with you, your videos never fail to provide great talking points supported by top notch editing. As a soccer fan from a rundown French city where soccer is basically everything, your videos on NASCAR resonated very much with me and I want to thank you for presenting the world with what's it's like to be passionate about a sport most will regard as a stupid pastime for uneducated people.
real talk: i'm someone that believes real life is boring, i love the weird part of the show. but i'm not trying to find deeper meaning behind mr bulldops or poopy butthole. i just like weird for weird.
Heâs gone so far down the spiral heâs gone beyond the âbottomâ reached the top, only to be dragged back down to the endlessness below once again. This is his future. His guarantee. Nobody can help him. But I have a suspicion that he doesnât want it. The spiral has become his home. A part of who he is. He has accepted this, and you should too.
@Red Line He born at the bottom, and he climbed. Just to fall, fall, fall from the top. Now he's climbing up there once more. Perhaps he never reached the bottom.
i hate almost everything mainstream (not my fault, i don't decide it to be "cool") like star wars, GOT, or the marvel movies but... i loved rick and morty from the very first episode i watched, i still do today and don't know why ÂŻ\_(ă)_/ÂŻ i don't interact with the fandom tho - with any fandom for all that matters
IDK. I liked the pickle Rick episode. It's funny and a bit nonsensical and it bought me back to the old days of adult swim. Still I agree with a lot of what you're saying in this video.
In season one Morty states to Jerry:" No ones smarter than Rick so the argument about how they never stated Rick was the smartest man in the universe is benign. It wasn't outright stated in most episodes before season 3 it was definitely implied, whilst going against the story telling philosophy of "tell don't show" by doing the exact opposite. I do love your overall opinion throughout the video though, but my opinion of Rick and Morty never changed because of the fanbase and their actions. Yes it was cringy to see them spazzing in public and online with their crazy rants and behaviors, and yes it did slow down a little and become pandering in the later seasons after 2 but it still felt genuine and unique put side by side to other adult cartoons we had at the time. I can't think of another adult cartoon that even came close to Rick and Morty that was in syndication without talking about Netflix exclusives such as Bojack Horseman but that show is a different comedy in it's own right and shouldn't be in the same category as Rick and Morty. Great video I just think you focused more on the online fans and their opinions/reactions/actions. Even the video in McDonald's you showed was an obvious over projection of the fanbase.
I know Rick hates God but he embodies a great bible quote: "For with much wisdom comes much sorrow; the more knowledge, the more grief." -Ecclesiastes 1:18
Yeah, I hate the people say things like âoh I donât believe in god Iâm so smart and rational, your stupid for having a world view I consider to be toxic.â The Bible gives you guidance of how to live life in a good, meaningful way. It states many things that I find to be true, when I followed its teachings more I was more happy and better as a person. Itâs a real mind opener, the problem today is that people have a problem understanding how itâs written, some of the the translations donât have the full meaning or can easily be taken the wrong way. It uses lots of metaphors, poetry and hyperbole to get its point across, its supposed to be read in its full context. You canât take the Bible too literally or else it wonât make any sense at all.
Ghostin thatâs not the point, though it goes off the rails talking about how the Bible works. The point I was trying to get across is that you need some kind of compass or guide to live out your life, nihilism doesnât give you that, Its finds that as a contradiction to its logic.
hweirdo I know, you can take the idea of nihilism in a good way. If nothing matters then you give it your own meaning. There is a positive light to it in a way. I admit I donât necessarily know all about nihilism, but when I look up itâs definitions it all boils down to âabsolutely nothing has meaning or value of any kindâ which I donât think is true. It also involves extreme skepticism of morals. You can find value or meaning in anything and Iâd say our morals brought us pretty far as a species. Itâs an interesting Philosophy, just not something you should live by.
@134Cerky nihilism isn't cut and dry like that though, one can be nihilistic and still strive to fill the void with the "meaningless" things people do to fill the gaps of time before we expire. There are nihilists that truly believe nothing is worthwhile and anything done is a pathetic jab at the universe to show our existence has meaning but they aren't the rule. Someone who has the conscious desire to be more than what the universe tells you, but smart enough to realize that, outside of their sphere of influence, their life means very little. This is exsitensial nihilism. While believing that nothing truly matters, and that the universe is a cold unflinching constant that guarantees frivolous life and guarantees death and that nothing inside the universe means anything because the universe just doesn't care or really just can't care for that matter. That's cosmic nihilism, what rick is
@134Cerky its not just a philosophy of "nothing matters cuz we all be dead someday" its a realization of even if i die, you die, all we care about dies, if everyone were to suddenly pass, the universe would be unaffected. It would exist without us, its the ideal that the universe is a constant outside of feasible control and our influence can't change that or anyone's for a matter of fact. If rick were to die and I mean really die, the universe isn't gonna morn him, and he knows that. A man with infinite intelligence and can make anything still wont be missed. Rick doesn't care because the universe doesn't care, so why should he
Dane Stambaugh wow, thanks for that input. I havenât really thought about it that way (well I kind of already had). But I was mostly looking at the definitions that I have been given. Idk words can mean different things to different people.
Dane Stambaugh i was think I get it now, but if thatâs so whatâs the point of calling it nihilism? How many kinds of nihilism is out there? I get the idea of not caring about things that are out of your control, but anyone can do that. I just donât agree with the parts that I meantioned, how can nothing have value? That doesnât make any sense to me, you can find value in a lot of things it just depends on the person. You know what Iâm saying? There are also consequences to all your actions to, you canât treat everything like it has no meaning or value to it. There are things worth doing and others that are not so much. Also why care about what the universe thinks? Why give up caring for a thing that doesnât think at all?
@Dane Stambaugh a man who really experienced cosmic nihilism is dead or had depression. It is interesting that existential nihilism is overcome with religion (believing in something).
@134Cerky your last comment reflects existential nihilism, where life doesn't have a definitive meaning and you have to acknowledge that. There are many people that practice that, even if they are religious.
@andres ltaif mĂŒller most people aren't cosmic nihilists, to be a cosmic nihilist is to be detached from human morality. Even people who are nihilistic tend to care about the close ones in their life, hence the terminology of "sphere of influence" and that's what separates them from cosmic nihilism. Rick is only a cosmic nihilist because at any point he can hard reset his current universe and run from his problems, and because of that, everything inherently holds no meaning to him. Rick's concept of love is familiarity over time across multiple versions of an individual across the multiverse, rather an attachment to one individual in one universe. In short, Rick's own intelligence has warped his perception on reality and the value it holds
Dane Stambaugh you know what I got from this is that nihilism is like a tool for certain situations or subjects. I just think it shouldnât be used to guide your life completely or you become an asshole like rick. Of course Iâm specifically talking about cosmic nihilism.
@Dane Stambaugh I know that and I said experienced, not being. Being cosmic nihilistic is what you said, experienced it brings a huge existential horror, bigger than just existential nihilism.
andres ltaif mĂŒller so is nihilism a bad thing if you let it consume you? Like how can you ever be happy by detaching yourself from the world like that? I know that it doesnât have to necessarily be a bad thing, but doesnât it seem wrong to purposely not find value or meaning (depending on what it is like morals, consequences. etc) how will you ever learn with a mindset like that?
J D you know now that I think about it, maybe I was too harsh with my words. At the end of the day itâs your choice to live how you want. I was just sharing my thoughts on the subject, though I admit I just learned some more ways of how nihilism works I was just looking at the idea of finding meaning or value in nothing.
I feel bad for Royland about Solar Opposites, I think Royland was trying to capitalize on the fandom by making a new show that solely caters to them... but that show is kinda cringey and has like no following compared to Rick and Morty
@Maxims that meme is extremely outdated, you're beating not even a dead horse, you're literally beating said dead horse's remains that have been turned into ash.
@Gabs Nandes Well Rick is kinda fickle, but a lot of his gadgets end up being single use and he doesnât consistently build things because heâs also a bit lazy. So in line with his character, his fluctuating invincibility almost makes sense
@Strangely Ukrainian i don't think so, because this wasn't something on earlier seasons, he was kinda consistent, you understood that he was insanely smart and strong, but also vulnerable, still, it kinda fits with his caracter but i am not a fan
I also seriously think that Dan Harmons divorce highly influenced season three, and the direction the show went in permanently. I still love Rick and Morty and canât wait for more episodes, but if Rick and Morty, are made to appear conscious of the fact they are created by a higher power. It makes since that they would take on different characteristics and act differently, depending on the current state ofâŠ. Big stretch here⊠their relationship with god. Rick very much knows he is a creation thatâs made for our entertainment. And his recent behavior is just an acknowledgment of his own downfall. Good artists make art that show us who they are, at least some what.. just be funny if Rick was slowly killing himsf because he no longer has faith in his creator. Rick and Mortys writers would do some shit like that.
To quote episode 17 of Season 3 of Brother Vernacular:
âA meme is what happens when so many people start misrepresenting an out of context scene from a piece of media, that the media itself loses its identity!â
Do you like that Brother Vernacular reference? Well guess what? ITS NOT A REAL SHOW! I MADE IT UP!!!
They took like 3 years in between seasons , thatâs a shitload of time. Most people including myself completely lost interest and investment in the story.
"Most people" lol that's definite cap, Evil Morty's motive and Rick's backstory being revealed was one of people's main takeaways from the latest season and its all anyone would really talk about, shut up and stop pretending like you speak for everybody
To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Rick and Morty. The humor is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of theoretical physics most of the jokes will go over a typical viewer's head. There's also Rick's nihilistic outlook, which is deftly woven into his characterisation - his personal philosophy draws heavily fromNarodnaya Volya literature, for instance. The fans understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of these jokes, to realize that they're not just funny- they say something deep about LIFE. As a consequence people who dislike Rick and Morty truly ARE idiots- of course they wouldn't appreciate, for instance, the humour in Rick's existencial catchphrase "Wubba Lubba Dub Dub," which itself is a cryptic reference to Turgenev's Russian epic Fathers and Sons I'm smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion as Dan Harmon's genius unfolds itself on their television screens. What fools... how I pity them. đ And yes by the way, I DO have a Rick and Morty tattoo. And no, you cannot see it. It's for the ladies' eyes only- And even they have to demonstrate that they're within 5 IQ points of my own (preferably lower) beforehand.
So far season 5 is second wind for Rick and Morty, so you were correct in believing that it could bounce back. Season 3 was definitely the series at its absolute worst, with the exception of The Ricklantis Mixup and The Rickshank Rickdemption
"Sci-fi has always existed as the awkward nerdy sibling to it's far more popular counterpart - fantasy." When did that happen? If anything, I'd say up until 2000's it was always the other way around.
As a layman, I'd say that probably the Lord of the Rings movies changed that.
You can also see it in books, games, as well as shows. There was tons of really good sci-fi books and movies for decades with very little fantasy comparatively.
Then the LoTR movies blew up and then a ton of people started to get into fantasy. So it's less that sci-fi got less popular and more that fantasy got way, way more popular and surpassed it.
As for his quote about it "always" being that way, I'd bet he is below 30-35 so he'd have grown up when LotR, games like WoW, and fantasy in general was really starting to get popular.
Also judging by his other videos he is probably a gamer as well so that effect that perception as well since fantasy has always been more popular than a sci-fi in gaming.
A bit off topic but when it comes to fandoms, the MHA fans are completely insane. The amount of Todoroki art is way too high for a 16 year old teenager.
yeah, and don't forgot the shippers. And I'm too lazy to talk about them because of how they are completely ignore all the character interactions at both of the MHA Anime and Manga
You do realize that season 4 was all about rick losing control and being stripped down to what he really is and he got beaten up by a Zeus and Pheonix person. Did no one watch season 4?
I believe the the reason rick becomes I "killing machine" is that it was a build up toward season fives finale as it show why rick would have made the finite curb (other than the Morty farm), to remain the best, this would in turn call for less of an appearance of those classic running away scenes. Because people would think, "why would he need to run away" . Ironically enough that finale was a major reset in order to achieve those classic feelings we got first watching the show. We might not have to see that again, although I am against the fandom in general , I regard it as one of if not the best show I've watched. The whole nothing matters theme made me think of just how big the universe is and admire it and that's why the potential is there, relating back to rick being a killing machine I believe I would like to see him run into problems because of his theoretical wall around the rick and Morty multiverse at least for a few episodes because there is always a problem with everything, and that's what the show ( in my opinion was trying to get across)
Rick and Morty has a fnaf type fan base where everyone loved it during the first 2 games and seasons of the show then after that public view kinda split. The fan base is also cringe and makes a lot of people hate the series out of spite
was this like a Never Ever or just a regular style commentary vid. This doesn't really fit into any real category but neither was your last one. I have been on your channel since 2013 or 2014 but god damn that pickle rick was the funniest shit I've seen
Tbh I liked the therapist bit at the end of pickle Rick. Bc yeah, she is completely correct, she knows exactly whatâs going on and now all of the characters know too. And yet they still act like they always did. Bc the knowledge of whatâs wrong, isnât as helpful as the understanding of what to do next. Also it felt like it was reaching out telling all the dumbasses who praise Rick that no, he isnât a good person, this is why, and you should already know that by now you fuckhead. It felt like he was finally taken down a peg, like Fr. Also I love morty saying he liked her, Bc yeah, he was validated for once in his life, he doesnât get that kind of support very often, and I liked to see it.
I see a lot of criticism of season 5, but honestly, I think it's the best season they've had in a while. I also feel like Solar Opposites is saving Rick and Morty. You can call it "Rick and Morty with Extra Steps", that's fine, even if that was a take that went cold thirty seconds after the first episode of Solar Opposites aired. I stuck it out, and I call it the place they put the jokes that are too sincere and optimistic for Rick and Morty. Is it better than Rick and Morty? In many ways, yes. Am I enjoying the new episodes of Rick and Morty? More than ever, thank you. Solar Opposites may have been a distraction at first, but now it feels like the shows are holding each other up, with Solar Opposites being the project they walk away to whenever they're too fatigued by Rick and Morty. Sometimes you need distance to regroup and gain perspective.
This has to be the absolute GREATEST explanation of the show's (early) philosophy in existence. I hate how everyone thinks it's glorifying Nihilism. When as he describes, it isn't. Just like Nietzsche's works, it's almost a warning against it. Nihilism always ends up being a cover for enormous mental/emotional/philosophical pain, and to numb it. People who are lonely, afraid of the future, haunted by the past, feel worthless, etc, end up pretending that nothing matters to them. But their emotions know that that isn't true.
The probably with dealing with Nihilism is that its by far the most logical belief. Which makes it the stumbling block for Atheist's who put a lot of pride in being "logical" and not relying on a sky fairy for guidance.
No talking about season 4? Im not an expert but i think God beating up Rick means something. He is not longer the nihilistic smarter man of the universe. Idk personally i thought it started to decay in season 4, then i watched it high and i understood the new path it took about Rick no longer being omnipotent. I dont know i think you should reconsider the show apart from season 3, because obviously season 4 is nothing like the third. Peaze
P. D. : You didmt talk about Morty's character development either. I think its worth commenting how he was a virgin Novita in season 1 and how progressivly takes more care of himself. Dont forget the shows called Rick and Morty. I hope you'd read me, i'd really like to know your opinion.
Itâs definitely changed but itâs funny and entertaining so I donât really have a reason to care about itâs âdownfallâ after all, it is entertainment so if itâs entertaining it does itâs job
This definitely isn't the best place to ask this but what happened to schaffrillas' season 3 review of Rick and Morty? I would have liked to hear what he would have said.
18:00 ugh. To this day I always skip the Pickle Rick episode when rewatching the series The fandom ruined it for me. Plus it's not the best of episodes anyway
Was with you for the first part of this video but the second half was meh. Youâre doing the same exact thing the fandom is doing by creating an idea of what the show should be. Itâs a dark comedy that has a slow but developing story line. A lot of the episodes may only feature a small portion of actual important content but thatâs fine. Canât we just enjoy the show for the characters and the great commentary and action? Like why tf does every show have to be the Shawshank redemption of the generation and be the next greatest thing. Iâm so tired of watching people complain about shit like this
it's not that it can't be just a ridiculous show. it's actually super enjoyable both ways to me, but i think the main problem with its evolution is because it presented such incredible development that never saw proper finalization, or at least the same deal of care. it's the fact it changed so greatly too soon.
I disagree but to each their own. I'm pretty sure season 3 just had a bigger audience with hype built during the long hiatus and it wasn't the most perfect show to exist that appealed to everyone. I don't think pickle rick is a downfall at all, in fact, it's one of the most highly rated episodes. Plus the ricklantis mixup came after that one. I don't think the fandom really cared that there was a therapist who said Rick turned himself into a pickle to avoid getting out of therapy (which is the most obvious and basic interpretation you can give within therapy), it's cause it dominated the internet with a meme spread by both people who watched the show and people who haven't seen an episode.
"When the whole show is telling you nothing matters, then the audience has to ask themselves why the show matters." Sums up how I feel about the show. Emp Lem you a smart boi
The show isn't saying "nothing matters" the main character says that whilst his actions completely juxtapose this and show that actually he cares a LOT but he's terrified to show it.
That's like saying "Silence of the lambs tells us to kill people and harvest their skin". Honestly it really breaks my brain the way people think that presenting something is the same as endorsing something.
â@YourPalHDee Rick, Morty and pretty much every character in Season 3 are depressed and hate filled. Did you even watch the video? Rick is called 'smartest man in the universe' and is unstoppable yet the show still pedals this loneliness kryptonite for him that just doesn't work, because 'Morty nothing matters idiot.' I actually love the show but I couldn't put my finger on why I disliked Season 3 so much, and now I feel like I know from Emp Lem's perspective.
Harvesting people's skin wasn't all SIlence of the Lambs had to offer, but boy it sure was in there wasn't it!
The pay off in the season 3 finale is the family coming together to stop Rick (god) nonsense to nihilism over Jerry (human nature) and the next seasons show the family making progress even with flaws, all the seasons are solid with great episodes but the show getting infamous is bc like other media that get popular it brings toxic people
I think you missed the point of the pickle rick episode. Rick turns himself into a pickle so he can avoid going to therapy with his family. You said so urself Ricks defense mechanism is to run away and by turning himself into a pickle thatâs what he does. He avoids the responsibility of having a mature discussion of his mental health and irresponsible behavior by turning himself into a pickle. And I donât believe the therapy scene was Susan Sarandon explaining whatâs the show is or how the audience is supposed to think, I believe sheâs forcing Rick to confront his behavior.
And I disagree that the Pickle Rick episode was created for the sake of fanservice. I donât believe any Rick n Morty episode exists for the sake of fan service. In Season 4 Episode 1 we see the creators throwing away much more interesting plots and concepts for the sake of a joke about fan speculation of the series. Honestly speaking I donât Dan or Justin really give a shit what the fans think and theyâre gonna make their product regardless wether itâs celebrated or disdained by the audience.
Also I donât believe this is the episode where Rick n Morty jump the shark. To me itâs probably the most mundane episode in the series and itâs the one I find the least entertaining.
The fact that Rick is LITERALLY immortal because "If he die, his soul gets uploaded to another clone" really made the show alot less engaging. Where's the suspension in anything if even death isn't a threat??
Well the thing is the main point of a show isnât a complex storyline with tense amd dramatic moments, sure it has some heavy moments scattered here and there but ultimately itâs a comedy show with an extremely meta humor
You are wrong because the winter is smaller than the Spaghetti Couch. Always was and will not be, because continuity and inherent logic. You can't argue with that, period. đ€Ł
@Kino Man Yeah I get that but what's the point of putting Rick in dangerous situations if there are no risk? Plus the one time he tried to kill himself turned out to be pointless
MilkyWay 02 i guess the purpose of putting rick in dangerous situations is to show how he is able to overcome it in the most absurd way possible, or itâs even just a way ro animate an entertaining fight scenes like the one with the president. Hell one of the stakes in a dangerous situation in season 4 is the plot. The plot itself is at stake in that situation
@Kino Man I mean sure, R&M is a Serialized Comedy show, but that doesn't mean it can't have an over-arching Narrative. By making Rick Pseudo Immortal, they take the ability to kill him away for any future story/episodes, because "Well he's always immortal"
One Show I like to bring up a lot in this problem is DBZ (Dragon ball Z) They write a lot of their stories as "This person is the strongest ever" instead of "this person is one of the strongest ever" Meaning that for every Arc or Season, they gotta bust out another strong man and explain how he's even stronger than the last strongest ever big boss man. And it's cause they run into that problem, and why Goku has to have 70 different transformations because they can't obviously have Goku use the same form to destroy the next strongest guy if he's stronger than the last right?
@Free Trial Yes, Superman also had that problem. Since his only weakness is cryptonite the writers had to add a lot of different cryptonite-types to keep the narrative compelling. In addition, the whole One Punch Man anime really shows how boring it is to be unchallenged and immortal.
MilkyWay 02 well yea being unchallenged and immortal is broing for a story but the thing is that what makes rick and morty fun to watch is just because of how rick solves proboems in the most absurd ways possible and also sprinkled with some part of the serious flaws in his character
no, this means he CAN die which increases the tension. if he wasnt immortal he could not die or the show is over. it also adds existential horror in case he actually CANT die.
@Andreas Westerveld Rick possibly dying wasn't ever really the draw of the show was it? I mean he's the main character, to me, their adventures were always more wacky and comedic rather than suspenseful
The curse of Adult swim continues. I spent 6 years waiting for 3 season Of ventures bros only to have to check out because it started blatant pandering.
I don't think people are saying women aren't funny. They're critical of Dan hiring female writers entirely cuz he got shit for the S1-S2 writers room being all guys then getting on a soapbox about adding diversity....and then one of the female writers creating the pickle rick episode with a condescending literal self insert therapist character.
@sTYLz In the modern western world there's a rabid devotion to the idea that every group (writers, mechanics, doctors, etc...) must look like a university poster. That it's essential to have a token for every group rather than the best people for the job. Hiring based on merit runs the risk of the staff not having the acceptable look. That's why Dan and the show got criticism for an all male writing staff even though they were the best fit.
@J W I think its good to have people with similar visions and personality writing a show or game, even if it means your staff is disproportionately white.
@J W Though to be honest race isnt really a factor in deciding who you like as individuals, and there are plenty of systems to determine the credibility of writers like previous projects and recommendations from past studios as well as college degrees in writing. Your point really only come's to fruition when you are considering entry level jobs for people just getting into the industry.
@J W Easy I'd think. If you got good chemistry with the writers, good personal communication and share similar ideas, then yeah you'll often find people hire based on those characteristics. Only those who focus on race make race an issue imo.
@Mookie Ăber Alles I mean, That depends on what you mean by popular, if you mean something that got butts into seats for a couple of episodes, then sure, he's complaining about one episode written by a woman. But if you mean that it completely derailed the entire series and made the show, almost into a parody of what it was trying to parody, then no.
Ok. Sense none of you actually know a thing about the industry, and basically know one does unless you work in it. There is actually a huge problem weâre basically all shows are written by white guys. As in, there is basically no women or diversity in the writer. Like none. You think for diversity for acting jobs is bad, for writers itâs non existent.
@A L But ultimately that's the beauty of media. You can change that if you want. Grab some friends, sit down and write something you find enjoyable and then all that's left is to pitch it. It might not exist yet but you could very well be the start of a show written entirely by black women or a gang of mexican pensioners. If what you come up with is any good i certainly look forward to watching it.
@vorbo01 Very few of them get "free jobs" just because they fit a criteria. You're acting as if all you need to do is belong to these groups, vitue signal, and that's it. You got the job. Nope. The majority will always be white dudes. And it'll take a long time for that to change because people inherently don't like change. Also yeah no one like a person that whines their way into a job, but that rarely ever happens cause no one will buy their bullshit whining.
Interesting how you draw no correlation between the third season being shit with the inclusion of four women to the writing team, with the showrunner openly stating it was for "diversity". Not because he thought they were talented. Not because he thought they were funny or creative. It was because they were women. and season 3 was mostly dogshit, surprise surprise.
Interesting that Joan Rivers never got free legs up because of what was between her legs, and is regarded as a comedy legend, yet these writers will fade into obscurity.
@vorbo01 I meant that it rarely happens in the real world because most people only care about qualifications, whether it be for uni or for jobs. Rick and Morty was just one of the few cases where it did happen for whatever reason. I don't most shows that hire simply because of "muh diversity"
@A L But can I ask you a question though. Why does the Writer of a show being white or Male matter?
What should matter is if the Content is good, not what charateristics the person writing the show has. I know I'm not a person that curates my content by the race behind the person making it.
That's not to say Diversity can't be good (it can) but just like any entertainment industry, the only thing that should matter is if the content is good. Not the people behind the content.
@J W People hiring people who are like themselves is part of what makes a show good. Similar people are going to be more on the same page when it comes to writing or really most ideas - and its absurd to ask a team of artists to add new artists that won't necessarily mesh well with the existing team just because you're obsessed with equity. Writing something worthwhile is incredibly difficult, doing it by committee is harder, and when its by a committee that's 50% diversity hires because 'muh white dudes can't be the whole team' its nearly impossible. t. a writer
Starbursts I hope u are trolling, cause this kind of cases arenât rare anymore, and if so, would u mind sending a link o something? And if u canât, just acknowledge that u might be wrong. This was an interesting comment thread to read.
R&M season 1 and 2 were great. 3-5 were filled with a majority of lackluster episodes.
Even a lot of the good episodes are ruined by this weirdly returning theme of BDSM type humor, which, is really just cringe to most people.
The writers are constantly speaking through Rick about their hatred towards repetitive show themes and cannon story structures, yet they have no problem consistently dropping BDSM themes on their audience.
Im not trying to sound awkward.
But my point is, that most people watch rick and morty to see graphic, epic, and often hilarious adventures through the sci-fi theme-toybox that is space.
I do not watch the show to see some joke about morty banging his sister or some crap like that. It isn't funny, it doesn't gross me out, its just weird and doesn't fit with the rest of the show. If it were only 1 or 2 episodes I wouldn't think much of it, but just as ol George RR wants to flash dicks to his audience, the writers of R&M clearly have some weird sexual craving to drop BDSM themes onto their audience.
Again, it doesn't gross me out, it only angers me because it clearly ruins the show.
They turned the greatest space cartoon ever into the greatest space cartoon ever for people who are into bdsm.
Why is it that whenever you see a shirtless man in R&M, 50% of the time his nipples are pierced or something much worse? Its just weird, this isn't talked about enough.
This and the whole divorce saga completely ruined the show.
Cut the drama, forget the bdsm crap, and you have a great show.
Reminds me of a preacher I heard the other day: âLife is like a train station. Only a stop, but you still canât trash itâ Edit: Talking about the counter-nihilism, specifically 13:10
James the Less2020-07-28 21:33:00 (edited 2020-07-28 21:33:44 )
@mrmarioscatman Life is just a short stop on an eternal journey, but that doesn't mean you should treat it like it's disposable. Though what that has to do with the video besides being a counterpoint to nihilism, I can't tell you.
The meaning I got from it was though you will die and go to heaven or hell eventually, it is still your responsibility to act respectably. You canât just say âweâll all die it doesnât matterâ, and use that as an excuse for your actions.
But Iâm just some dude on the internet so idk make your own meaning of it
This is the same thing that happened to craft beer. Now a large percentage of the market consumes it and itâs everywhere. It âruinedâ it for the small groups in each city who had massive stores of the shit because you had to travel to find it. They donât get to be elitist about it at parties and restaurants anymore so itâs ânot the sameâ or âwas so much better 15 years ago.â The truth is this is a fuckin cartoon created for entertainment. Itâs not high art or profound philosophy. Watch it or donât. No one but you gives a shit.
I stopped watching after season 3 i didn't like this season it wasn't the same. This video explained what happened really well. Really great video man.
Honestly, the bottomline is it became mainstream, so it was frowned upon. That's how practically everything goes. Good show, revered by everyone, then it becomes mainstream. Then suddenly it's garbage, regardless what the show it did itself.
To show how much hype R&M lost: i didnt even know they aired the second half
and i was looking forward to it
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Eat At Joe's2020-07-29 03:27:58 (edited 2020-07-29 04:03:32 )
I knew the fourth season was out, but where my brain would have immediately watched all of it had I still been 18 and the show not fallen into commercialized cynicism - I just mentally checked out around the Dragon Sex episode and watched TVSins recap the rest of it.
Another thing I noticed is that like Two and a Half Men tried to suck the life out of its gimmicky premise/title by adding new people to fill in the "two and a half" role, they're trying to squeeze everything they can out of the Morty/Jerry/Rick name puns in the episode titles now.
"Claw and Hoarder: Special Ricktim's Morty", "Childrick of Mort", and by far the worst one of these is "Star Mort: Rickturn of the Jerri." - like, not only is that stretching your gimmick a little too far, who wants to say they're catching the end of "Star Mort: Rickturn of the Jerri" without sounding stupid or they had a stroke?
At least the Never Ricking Morty title - while still stupid, you can say it out loud without it sounding like you're reading from the Necronomicon.
@Eat At Joe's See, to me, that's why I like the titles; that's the humor in them: they've run out of easy ones but they're committed to seeing it through, so they just go all out in finding the dumbest name pun to fit the episode.
I think the perfect way to sum up the issues with the show is ricks backstory. In seasons 1 and 2 we get glimpses into ricks past, we learn about how he left Beth and his wife, and that Ricks wife has seemingly died. In season 3 we get the reveal an emotional scene the fans had been waiting for, Rick was visited by another Rick before heâd invented the portal gun, who killed his family. It was great, but then the show says fuck you thatâs not the real story ya idiots. The topic was ignored mostly until season 5, where we get a kind of anticlimactic reveal that the story from season 3 was his real backstory. Then right after just to rub salt on the wound, the reveal that fans had been waiting for us is shit on by Rick saying, ânow everyone can shut up about itâ. The writers clearly arenât interested in finishing the storyâs they set up, but fan demand is forcing them to.
The people that defend S4 & S5 are mostly low brow stoner humor fans imo. They never understood the nuance in S1 & S2 so to them the show has barely changed at all, it's still just wacky sci-fi adventures
For me it's just a fun show, nothing more nothing less, it does spoof a lot of things and that's the charm about it. If I wanted to be a nihilist I'd just die.
"Fandoms (...) were never able to truly materialize until the advent of the internet."
A lot of what you say about Rick and Morty and fandoms are on point, but this combined with your earlier comments about Star Trek VS. Star Wars shows a certain ignorance of pop culture history. "Mary Sue", the biggest amorphous boogeyman of pop fiction commentary, came from a 1974 Star Trek fanfiction parodying other Star Trek fanfiction.
@Phoebe Aurum except most fandoms are chaotic pathetic mess, while religions, putting aside a lot of their cons, have brought many (if not more) good things to society. Some of them were: education (in past, only priests of various religions where really well educated, and educated others, such as Church teaching peasantry better techniques of cultivation, or opening first schools), diplomacy, or (whats most important) creating and uniting entire civilizations. Currently popular narrative about Church or other religions holding humanity back is mostly wrong, according to general position of historians and other social researchers. Fandoms on the other hand are mostly filled with a young, introverted, socially inept people, who often do not understand what behaviour is proper or adequate in certain situations. Hence all the "cringiness".
@MonkaKonga Yes, just yo clarify, faith on itself is not toxic or bad or stupid, if you think that it's because you had a pretty easy care free life, but institucionalized religion on the other hand...
@Generic Bro Yo you are being toxic right now I am the Jesus Stan here and I'm telling people God Bless you and you are saying i'm toxic without knowing me. TOXIC AF BRUH
Never seen a Rick And Morty, FNAF, or Undertale fandom running a soup kitchen, donating billions to charity, or salvaging and recording ancient history for thousands of years. Ever hear of that thing called "Scientific Theory"? Yeah, a priest created that. Ever year of "Standard Experimental Procedure"? Yep. Priests made that shit too.
@Akiraspin Yes, but not because they were priest, but because church only allowed knowledge to be spread among them and aside from the common folk, it is an interesting debate sure but it is far from the point
Also, rick and morty, FNAF or undertale fandom do not ask me for money or judge me based on my personal life choices, so no
â@Dany Osuna "I hold it in my heart, the truest pursuit of knowledge, the understanding of this earthly realm, is one of the most righteous attempts at becoming closer to Our Father, who created all of us and this beautiful world in which we inhabit. Therefore, it is impossible for science to ever disprove the existence of God, and as such, should be embraced wholeheartedly for every man of the cloth." - Thomas Aquinas.
Yikes, so basically you're wrong and this guy became a scientist because he was religious, and believed that understanding the universe would bring him closer to God
I'm a huge fan, but I dunno about season 5. Something's wrong with it.. It's like all the characters got nerfed. Rick was less Rick, Beth was less Beth, Jerry was less Jerry..
Rick is nihilistic, reckless and irresponsible with a god complex, but there were many times in season 5 where he was just an idiot. He's not supposed to be dumb.. And since when does Rick love Jerry? There was literally a whole season dedicated to how much Rick hates Jerry! Why does this Rick care so much? I don't want a Rick who cares?!
Where's Beth's ambitious nature and her lizard brain?
And we're not supposed to sympathize with Jerry. He's an insecure coward who USES sympathy. He's a parasite!
What we loved about these characters was how messed up they were. Dan please don't take that away! It's part of the shows charm..
I'm starting to not recognize the characters in this show..
Adult Swim did to Rick & Morty what they did to The Venture Bros. I quit once it was clear they wouldn't be rolling out seasons in any particular time frame.
The original may have been a troll, but a lot of fans are like that. Under a post on the R&M Insta, was one of those sex bots, this time commenting. ''I haven't fricked in so long my hymen is back together and I'm a virgin again uwu''. Told her to get herself a biology class because I thought the comment was pretty funny. Some greasy neckbeard immediately replied to me ''You don't understand biology.'' and when I argued it was a mandatory class, he just made dumb arguments like ''Hehe u still dumb probably'' They knew nothing about me, and still went ''hhehehehheheh I bet she's stupid because I am the superior incel king'', and then went out of their way to try and make someone feel bad/ make themselves feel better. Makes it hard to enjoy the series when you get told ''You probably don't understand it though'' by those types the moment one catches you talking about it.
Anneide Neckbeards and a lot of conservatives on instagram and twitter will literally just say âhehehe snowflake sUpEr WOkeâ after you supply them with reasoning and facts for a simple argument. Any accuse to somehow feel smart like a show about âthe smartest manâ will attract people with very little intelligence. Like sometimes I feel like watching any show people, whether itâs online or irl friends and family, will act as if the show is real and miss the actual point because they canât imagine any other perspective besides their own. It reminds me of that tweet EmpLemon showed how people aspire to be like Rick or The Joker or Walter White in real life or in how they conduct themselves online and by doing so they miss the obvious point that these characters are unhappy for a reason and they are meant to show the viewer the dangers of acting that way.
Anneide Also sorry this is long but the other factor of how Rick and Morty, a show that is written by more liberal/progressive people and shows that through the characters somehow attracts incels and other bigots. Do they somehow not realize that by supporting the show they are supporting something/someone who literally makes fun of them and their skewed beliefs
Iâve never seen Rick and Morty before, but just watching how the fandom devolved everything around the show, even at a distance over the years, is just so fascinating to me.
Same, I just took my imagery popcorn and watched the fandom go up and down. Now I just wanna know if the show is worth the watch. Especially with the new season coming out soon. đ
My rebuttal, no Rick and Morty's quality has not taken any precipitous downturn at any point. However in saying that, one has to acknowledge that Rick and Morty has never been anything more than a good, clever & funny show. Some fans had put it up on a pedestal as something beyond that. It never was, but it remains a good, clever & funny show. Also, Pickle Rick was a great episode and Doctor Wong's dialog being so on the nose was a humorous device aimed at sit-com structure tropes itself as much as the in-episode situation, not a lazy resolution/explanation of the family therapy narrative. Certainly Pickle Rick did not signify and downward trajectory for Rick and Morty, it is a great episode.
Honestly, when I clicked into this video I thought it was a fan made mashup album with Rick and Morty, and Kendrick Lamar, but then I saw who the video was from
He deliberately put an ad there for the joke, didn't he
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Jose Perez2020-07-28 19:34:25 (edited 2020-07-28 21:01:27 )
Lol that was low key funny though. But speaking of buy another one morty consume. Pringles, hbo max, and wendys. They became what they were always against.
I've said it hundreds of times, and I'll say it again.
A fandom does not represent the work itself. Toxic or not, that shouldn't be seen as a slant towards it, as it isn't the work's fault. If you like something, you're free to do so, and you're not obliged to consider yourself part of the fandom. It's completely separate from the work anyway.
Simply put, hating something soley because of its fandom is completely asinine.
Bro did you even watch the video? He literally says that we should judge things off their own merits. The problem isnât a bad fandom, its when said bad fandom directly influences the show.
26:42 u get that with actors, they come on season 1 of a show , they are un known b line actors , then in season 3 -4 they start Not trying as hard , it seems like they don't practice there lines ,,, its like they know ppl will love them No matter how well , or ok they do .
I just realized that he turns the Simmons green to avoid copyright. (Correction it is a completely different reason but I donât remember it.) Edit: he hue shifted them up roughly 255 when he made a YouTube poop on the Simpsons. The 255 was significant because that was the amount of simpsons episodes at the time
Its same as star wars, or any anime. The shows are great, the fans are snarling rabbit weasels that kiss their posters before bed.
And anyone who challenges the fanbase on their virginity ridden lore gets out numbered by grown men who have never spoken to anyone but their parents.. It'd be nice to just be able to enjoy a show like naruto or clone wars without getting literal death threats from the fanbase
@emplemon pls make an update video on this for season 5. I think season 4 was a step in the right direction and season 5 is really good minus a few episodes. Can you pls make an update video on what you think about rick and morty now.
The title good show m.A.A.d fandom is actually very clever itâs a reference to Kendrick Lamarâs good kid MAAD city in that album that MAAD is abbreviation for either my angry adolescence divided which could signal how our memories of the show are ruined from the fandom of Rick and Morty itâs also an abbreviation for my angels on angel dust which could also stand for how the fandom is so unhinged and out of touch itâs like theyâre on drugs
the amount of effort you spend on your videos is unreal, but what wld make it better is if u worried less about the script that u write 4 urself and just did a bit of improv humour like nakeyjakey 4 example bcos i cld find myself whilst visually stimulated a bit bored at times. that wld rly push ur content 2 god tier status :)
rick is depressed for the same reason I'm depressed. He knows that the universe is subject to the hard determinism of cause and effect. Everything that happens in the wholeness of time was determined in the few moments before the big bang. Free will is a lie. The afterlife consists of your subjective experience in the universe echoing throughout eternity. This is as good as it gets.
while I think community is still an excellent show, if we were to live in a world without community and with rick and morty it would be a lot more of the same than vice versa. R&M was more unique, innovative, and groundbreaking. community played to a formula (very well mind you) in the same way that brooklyn 99 and the office played to formulas. all these shows are great. but r&m is special.
Unless specifically stated, assume each Rick you see in an episode is NOT C-137.
The Vat of Acid Episode, the one where he obliterates a Universe out of petty spite for its creator... C-137 got teary over his memories of young Morty, and that just doesn't add up with a lot of what we see of 'Rick'. You shouldn't assume, because you know what they say about those that assume
me and my parents went to germany for 3 months as a test and while i was in school there some kid wore rick and morty merch and shouted wubba lubba dub dub very often, even tho i love rick and morty that was cringe as hell.
Bro the show was so fucking good and still is nothing changes when you have no idea about the fandom, same with every show movie or book. If you donât know what the fandom looks like the show is awesome, I carry this from a lot of animeâs like mha or jojos bizarre adventures the shows are awesome but when you see how cringey and how crazy obsessive and controlling the fandom for both shows are you see that show at a lesser point of view then when youâd never seen the fandom
I think Season 5 fixed a lot of the problems. Why is Rick the smartest man in the universe? Because he engineered it that way. He and his multiverse of selves have separated a group of universes from the rest of the multiverse: the group of universes where he IS the smartest man in the universe. It's achieved in one of two ways. Either he exists in that universe and is the smartest man in the universe, or no sentient beings exist in that universe (the butt dimension, the blender dimension, etc.) and he becomes the smartest man in that universe just by visiting it. The portal guns are programmed to only go to this group of universes, and not outside them. We DO see rare glimpses outside the CFC, like Simple Rick and Dumb Rick, but what are they used for? Exploitation. Rick will only step outside his comfort zone for the purposes of exploitation of others, even if those others are versions of himself. A Morty escaping the bounds of the CFC is a step into breaking the multiverse wide open.
Wow this video has aged badly. Itâs intrinsically linked to exactly what itâs criticising. This is literally the shit the fandom complains about, so youâre making a video about being a part of the problemâŠ
I donât get the hate for the show dropping obscure references. Itâs entertainment, itâs a joke, stop taking shit so fucking seriously.
A charm of Rick and Morty is it's potential to unlimited depth. Though humans' emotion patterns are kinda just paradeep, making the emotional depth to Rick paradeep, being part of humanity. Though still unreachable in intelligence, dealing with crippling depression is something some people relate to. Putting a stop to Rick's inner struggle with simple psychology / behavioural science / whatever would probably trim the audience a slice thinner. That would actually be a benevolent way to end the show đ€
Rick and Morty is pretty funny but once you meet some âhugeâ fans it has almost ruined the show for me. That one video of the guy at the McDonalds freaking out over that suzchan sauce for clout is peak cringe I wish I could forget ever seeing.
I liked it until it came out that the creators made fake/drew child porn and rape scenes with dolls. Lost all respect for the show and creators after that
bill cipher is an example of over powered done right perfection is relative therefor the concept of a marry sue can be applyed justly in this current case then yeah
It was Adult Swim's parent company Turner broadcasting that ordered the show be cancelled not Tim, Adult Swim or anyone else. Tim has connections but he doesn't have the power to cancel shows at random because he had a popular show on the network
If a show doesn't entertain me fails to make me laugh and bunch of others things... That is bad. but, if a show does complete opposite than it's good in my book. Yet, it's really bad to many others.... All has to remember that shows now a days has no plot, continuity, development and so on. But ,if done right, some how it has us hooked for more, that's just plain luck so much so it's really dumb how lucky something become so addicting that it really F@#$s our minds has those go completely nuts over Shas wan sauce...LOL sad...
The meta humor was probably what ruined the series (though Never Ricking Morty is a different story). LS mark made a video about that.
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eric vulgate2021-07-13 14:16:30 (edited 2021-07-13 14:24:50 )
i successfully stopped watching when the show was awesome, so it got to die a hero to me. i wish i'd quit watching 'battlestar galactica' or 'game of thrones' earlier. i enjoyed pickle rick, but but that was where i stopped watching.
Most people love R&M, the hate for it was created by it's popularity which spawned a lot of fanboys. The sezchuan sauce thing, the pickle rick thing, it was everywhere and just like anything popular, it garnered haters.
It is pretty funny how everyone who isnât a scientist, really dosnt even have a slight grasp on science and the theory, laws, etc. me being one of them, but believe it all to be 100% fact like a religion. yet most just have this fallacy were if theyâll just except something like evolution for example but donât understand the concept within that, or how stuff like DNA even came to be and how that happened, as just random happenstance accepting it with blind faith because school told them so, and some scientist said this happens or happened. On blind faith alone that where the information is coming from is true or even correct at all(much like how people rely on priest to make the allegories more digestible.
Much like someone believing intelligent design or some hand of God making it possible. Like did any of us do any experiments ourselves to verify if what were all taught or told is in fact true? No, most likely not. I know I didnât. Science and peoples attitudes towards it have become pretty dogmatic about. Its even got blasphemies and heresies. It gotten pretty fucking wild, and perhaps WAY overboard. At the same time I couldnât careless how we got here today. All I care about is where fuck are we going. Cause so far, itâs probably not anywhere good.
Exactly. These pseudo intellectuals use their superficial level of understanding of philosophy (which seems to always go straight to nihilism) only as a front to make themselves feel superior. Just so they can spew their political nonsense with little to no self critical eye.
Yeah Rick is a total nihilist from having knowledge that there are infinite universes with infinite possibilities. But also he really hates nazis and fascists for no stated reason and knows about gamergate
@High Council Why would he care? He doesn't seem to care about anything else. He didn't care about turning his entire home planet into a Cronenberg nightmare. That's what being a nihilist is. It's more than a little disingenuous to consider yourself a super cool edgy nihilst but also to be wrapped up in this extremely narrow fashionable PC non-offensive non-risk taking political mindset. Like "oh yeah I'm a nihilist and I don't care if my loved ones die and all of humanity goes extinct because there are infinite universes but if you hold the wrong political views I will be seething with rage because of how much I care"
Don't you think that's a little specific to not simply be the beliefs of the writers spilling over into the show?
I remember I started watching the show when everyone was talking about pickle Rick, so I started with the first seasons, and by the time I got to the pickle Rick episode I was so confused why everyone was so excited. I'm glad I watched the show and I still enjoy it, but the fandom just gave me the wrong impression. It seemed like a light hearted comedy on the surface, but I was surprised to find much more than that. This video sums it all up great.
I was already a massive fan before Pickle Rick, I liked that it was getting so popular but at the same time I thought some of these people were missing the point.
Jon Buqaj2022-04-17 18:27:39 (edited 2022-07-03 05:49:03 )
When I saw like sauce,IQ thing and other stuff,I felt bad for being a fan,but didn't care about it There are 2 types of fans of anything 1st.Normal fans that watch the show and enjoy it(like me) 2nd.Crazy ones like in this video
I am really concerned as to where SE6 is going to be honest.
If it does not go back to its original roots Im afraid I won't have any reason to watch the show anymore as SE4 was bad already and SE5 was even worse than that.
I watched the new episodes and I can confidently say that they are trying too hard they found one thing meta jokes and they worked but thatâs one joke and now with the combination of them running out of ideas and the fandom trying so hard to like the show even tho they are tired of i themselfs just corroding the show itself within its own group and beyond so yea thatâs it rick and morty is shit now although got some occasional small jokes such as the sex sea man guy although that died really fast Anyway if you wanna complain I probably wonât listen to your opinion but I have to say this Rick and morty fans arenât smart they have massive egos although look like angry children laughing over the concept of a poop ice cream I admit I laughed at it too ... itâs kinda funny but you get the point Anyway if your looking to turn ur life around watch some jojo put some hair on ur chest unless ur a girl then suplex a pig so hard it explodes then shout ZA WARUDO
that feel when I actually somehow (no idea how it ended up in my possession as a 10 year old kid) owned Gex for the n64 when I was a kid and can vividly remember all of the lines and levels and music and frustrating parts I don't remember it being terrible actually, more that there were mildly fun parts dotted about with a bunch of meandering mediocrity between them that I guess Gex's one liners were supposed to fill the empty space with The space level fucking sucked though, you had to keep running to these oxygen stations so it felt really constricted. Especially since earlier there's a titanic level where you have no such air meter while you're underwater for minutes at a time.
https://youtu.be/JUbvx8nOS2U Here's the link to the reupload (I don't know why it was originally deleted) of the Wheel of Punishment. The first Spin lands on the EmpLemon punishment in which Emp has to do whatever the next spin says (even though he isn't participating in the game.)
I don't think the therapists words were supposed to be taken that way Also the body augmentations are brought up all the time That and ricks action and accountability was only the way you described for like 4 episodes. Taht and half of what you said is purly opinionated. I mean honestly you review of how season 3 played out was extreamly half written and doesn't seem like you actually watched it
@Rick Vasconcelos Being an atheist doesnât âchange your programmingâ magically so that any mention of god(s) existing is removed from your speech, Theyâre common phrases to say either way, I still say âFuck you, Godâ, âGod damn itâ, âBy the Godsâ, âWhat in Godâs nameâ and âOh my Godâ plenty of times even after my strong disbelief in any form of a supreme being(s) or entity(ies).
An atheist would say it without a care in the world, while believers of a supreme being might be more hesitant or even have to do a specific pray to correct their mistake for using the name of it ( I donât know about other religions, but I know this is the case for believers for Christianity, they have to say a quick pray to apologize for saying Godâs outside of pray or mention I think, for ex. saying âGod damn itâ after stubbing your toe)
@The Talking Stick and all of what you wrote don't say anything about the scene.
He was praying for God until he save himself, so in the end he still believes but denied because Rick denies everything except science because science is the escapism of Rick's life, even his emotions Rick's denied.
@Rick Vasconcelos No, what I saw was someone accepting death, realizing they didnât have to die and trying to prevent it, which causes him to panic and desperation that then leads to becoming irrational and you survival instincts kicking in, something science has time and time proven to happen when in a stressful situation. What he did wasnât proof that he wasnât an atheist, itâs proof that he wasnât supposed to be âthe smartest man in the universeâ like he became.
Most human beings when near deathâs door donât exactly keep their integrity or values when they could forfeit them for survival. When youâre irrational and your instincts kick in, youâre gonna try everything you can think of to evade death, even if that means going against your values, people desperately trying to survive donât (funny enough) rationally think about their actions and how they could contradict their own values, because fuck your values, especially if you can substitute them temporarily for more time being alive.
On Rick and Morty multiverse it's not like our experience on universe(like you are trying to say), Dan Harmon can put a god(Zeus), a idea of Jesus(like the train episode) or YHWH to make a joke or a critical commentary of our society(like is what I am saying) but this will change how his characters will see his own lifes or his beliefs.
"which causes him to panic and desperation that then leads to becoming irrational and you survival instincts kicking in" So yeah, he believes in God in the end.
And he feels God/Jesus when he pray and see the collar but when he is safe, he dienies the Christian God. Look the scene again. Rick doesn't want to believe in anything because that will force him to face his emotions/demons. What is he to be a father? He is good at that? "There is no love, is all chemical", so when he try suicide after Unity was all chemical?
When Rick say something that can be nihilistic, Dan Harmon is try to say the opposite.
season 3 is the 2nd best season you are trippen my dude the first 2 seasons was to build up a character they really didn't commit to the family drama trope to you just grew out of it a little expecting to much
Man, it's really sad when you see a great show go down with your eyes. They need to pull Dan and Justin back into writers room. Don't let new writer become incharge of whole episodes (they need to observe) And stop doing fan service
This is just... so well done. I have never looked at it this way yet always knew that series 3 was just lacking but didnât know why
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Teh Grimm Rebel2022-03-20 00:08:54 (edited 2022-03-20 00:09:26 )
Cartoon Network had the biggest variety on single channel at one point 6am-7am the shows that'd appeal to a wider audience though mainly the younger kids would air about 5pm-7pm toonami which had shows for audiences more mature but still in early teen years the adult swim which of course I don't need to say
Emp: "rick and morty is a unique show" Xavier, Renegade Angel: "Fate. Destiny. Fatestinatey. People toss those words around like tennis balls. Well, I eat balls for breakfast."
@Dave Chrome To me it isn't so much a fever dream. XRA I'd say is more like, trying to reach enlightenment looking at motivational posters, while not stopping until you reach said enlightenment, while downing as much caffeine as humanely possible until you can vaguely make out the visage of what seems to be god, and then you realize no human was probably meant to see what you just saw, then your hurled through hell and come back at square one not exactly remember what you just did.
memes giveth memes taketh, disdain for rick and morty started with that idiot Szechwan sauce kid in McDonalds. literally that one kid made people hate rick n morty. not me though i wasn't gonna let some edgy kid ruin this great animation.
HAHA his content its pretty cringy and memeable but mostly target kids and big audiences that's why I have a softspot. Also Mattpatt it's pretty chill.
He's not alone. Matpat's content was at least mildly entertaining many years ago, now all he makes is clickbait and FNAF videos. He also has an ego the size of a star going supernova and throws a tantrum like a child over any kind of criticism.
@Giorno Giovanna the 2th Giorno, I was over-exaggerating or being hyperbolic as some say, that should have been obvious. I was making a point that a large deal of his "theory" videos are about FNAF specifically. This is literally English 101 my dude. Imbelishing a little bit can help drive a point across. I will not fight you on the actual statistics, that would be foolish, I had to be hyperbolic to more easily get a point across.
@Brody Imlay  Oi! We have the same profile picture!
Also matpat's game content is definitely down the drain, some of his film theory stuff is okayish, but it's been years since I've actively followed his stuff.
People saying his contents changed, it hasnât really changed at all thatâs the problem people have, heâs kept his target demographic not his audience, nothing wrong with that, I loved his vids when I was 13/14, now Iâm 19 I donât really care
To like MatPat is to like Behind The Meme or Watch Mojo, bland, rushed content that is pumped out en-mass for kids. You are purposely sacrificing quality for quantity, when this website has enough quality content to go around.
He literally gets attacked when he doesn't make FNAF video what do y'all wantđđđđđđ jeez some are y'all are salty. Like yes his audience is children, there's nothing wrong with that and he's rich
Why should he like Matpat? All Matpat does now is try to scrape money from half-assed "theories" he backs up with useless information, the only reason I'm subbed to him is because Austin is actually funny and stays true to what Game Theory was supposed to be, Austin deserves the fame, not the guy who recently made a channel called "Food Theory" so he could get income from 3 channels.
If anybody tries to claim Rick and Morty âjumped the sharkâ with Pickle Rick, they obviously never watched Tales from the Citadel or The Vat of Acid Episode
All I can say is. . . well I don't know what to say, I can't decide between "ho hum" and "pull-EAZE" - I mean. . . what is wrong with you. . . I guess all I'm left with is your whole point, so you are a success: "I just don't think you get it, man."
I had this chat recently, I always thought the big loss for Rick and Morty in it's later was it's humour, a lot of the jokes of season 1/2 do not at all resemble the jokes of season 3 (didn't watch season 4) despite having a lick of paint given to try and make it look similar.
Like the good jokes in season 1/2 were always v relatable things at their base, ants in my eyes Johnson wasn't funny because he had ants in his eyes, he was funny because he was clear parody of late night infomercials and their frantic speech, there are numerous examples of moments in season 1/2 where the joke is funny because they use something silly to revert you away from the actual joke, to which the punchline was quite relatable.
Post the writers strike in season 3 the humour is the only thing in the show that feels palpably different. for example in the pickle Rick episode there's a hint of relatable humour where Rick turns himself into a pickle to get out of therapy, the avoidance of your problems and therapy could potentially be a funny theme of an episode, but it becomes clear that's not the direction they wanted the joke to take, the episode seemingly drops it in favor of "it's funny because he has to deal with things and he's a pickle". It dropped the actual base of the joke and instead became a shallow gag that lasts a whole episode. It loses all relatability and as a result loses why it was funny in the first place. The humour is what took the hit in the last 2 seasons imo because of this drop of these kinds of punchlines
I also think even the fans know that the humour has dropped significantly, because I have never seen a current Rick and Morty fan defend the humour of the show, they just say "you just don't get it", trying to act like the show was some visionary work of it's time and not some nonsense and pseudo science mixed with occasional good points.
Imo usually fandoms start becoming toxic, overly critical and self hating as soon as the shows become somewhat mainstream. Where in the beginning people who actually liked the show for what it is join just to talk about a show they like, as soon as mainstream audiences catch up on it they infiltrate the discussions for more lesser reasons e.g. not wanting to miss out on a hype, having a quick cash grab, seeking attention by intentionally offending anybody they can find or simply just hating what everybody else likes. Any thoughts on that guys? Ps: Spelling or grammar mistakes can be recycled or offered to Cthulhu, English isn't my first language.
Correct about the fandom, wrong about the show. "Pickle Rick" is an amazing episode. In fact, season three had some of my favorite episodes. I love the Mad Max episode and my absolute favorite is the vat of acid episode. Do you not remember the climax to "Pickle Rick" in the Russian guarded fortress area. That was an incredible scene. Whatever! I agree with some of what you said, but I do think that you may be just shitposting.
That climactic Russian bit reminded me of the action In the Matrix films. I remember going "wow they did this brilliantly in a different way" Was so happy for Dan and Justin when they won an Emmy for it. I guess it's safe to say I'm the opposite of nihlistic
"What happens when the fandom influences the show?" You get an annoying trench-coat clad angel, who completely outlived his purpose for the show by the end of the season he appeared in, but keeps being thrown at the show again and again, even though the showrunners have ran out of ideas of how to fit his in the show and now simply keep sticking him as a redundant plot tool, like a toddler trying to stitch a square form into a round hole, and when they finally say enough, and get rid of him, his crazy fans make so much noise on SM, that the showrunners capitulate and bring him back, which deteriorates the show to such an extent that it's no longer watchable, and most of the fandom that doesn't like the character or "ships" him with one of the main characters , simply stops watching. By the time the showrunners figure out that the character isn't as popular as they thought, and that vocal mob of fans on twitter with their dozens of sock accounts, makes only 10% of the show's fandom, it's already too late, so they're forced to keep him, since taking him hout atp would not only hurt their ratings, but could end up in them being accused of homophobia, because get this: his fans are only his fans because they "ship" him with one of the main characters, so basically they're actually fans of the make-believe relationship, and they keep pressing the creators to make them a couple, despite the main character being straight, so to keep the mom semi-content, the writers are forced to throw them bones in the form of fanservice which causes the main character behave in a OOC manner and further ruining the show. Basically, those fools ruined a good show for the sake of a small minority of gay-fitishizing weirdos, who aren't even fans of the show since they themselves admit that they only watch it for the "ship" and the angel character, which is why most of them didn't even watch the first few seasons before he made his first appearance.
Btw, the show's called Supernatural, it's a guilty pleasure of mine that I'm ashamed to admit of liking because of how corny it is, and because of the destiel (non existent ship between the angel and a main character) fandom, which everyone outside of the fandom associates any fan of the show with, due to how loud they are.
I love Castiel, and I think the issue was not him being pointless but he was used as a punchline rather than the powerful angel he once was because it makes the fans that are most active happy, but thats just my opinion on the issue. Also, i hate when people skip into season 4 because they don't want to watch without Castiel, I don't get it!
@Harold Balzac Exactly how I see it. Maaaybe season 6 for fans who couldn't get enough of the show, but season 7 and onward is like a crappy fanfiction of the original 5 seasons.
Take the SOA fandom out and your right, even though the show is trash and very much a beginner anime which is probally why its so not toxic or maybe i just dont know anything about the soa fandom idk
@A quite tired guy yup. I enjoy JJBA, but ever since part 3 or part 4 Got anime adaptation, normies (Like me) decided to make memes out of it. Memes allowed fedora type of normies to make fun out of People who don't know it and type unfunny jokes.
@marko 2001 as a jojo fan i went through a annoying jjba phase, but i still dont want to think that i made fun of people for not watching it or not knowing it, i made fun of people who said it was good or bad without watching the show
Not necessarily. I can't help but admire Revy from Black Lagoon even though I certainly don't want to be a murdering bitch. Sometimes, an anti-hero or even just a downright villain can be attractive because they still have traits that we deeply desire for ourselves. In this, or should I say, my case, Revy oozes both confidence, independence, and power. Nothing fazes her. Not even some Terminator girl. She doesn't play any bullshit games and she doesn't have anyone else do her dirty work for her. She's like a demoness, emphasizing awful traits, yes, but also traits that I both deeply and selfishly want.
@James F You are probably right about the glorification of sociopaths, even if it may not necessarily be intentional. Some of these characters DO have admirable personality traits apart from the bad ones though and that's what it is.
although its a bit more of a mess, i like the disenchantment series on netflix better than rick and morty. It was made by the same person who made futurama and the simpsons, and is quite good.
I actually really liked the therapist scene. It was satisfying because itâs exactly what I had wanted to yell at the people blindly idolizing Rick like they do Tyler durden or bojack horseman
Really Futurama âOne of the greatest episodic comedy of all time.â Everyone is entitled to their opinion but bloody hell thatâs one of the dumbest things Iâve ever seen. âOne of the greatest episodic comedy of all timeâ is a bloody big stance to take in the first placeâ but pertaining to that fucking show is really one of the worst stands Iâve heard in such a long time. Again, everyone is entitled to their opinion but mate, oeft.
I was the only one of my friends who didnât smoke weed, and I was the only one that didnât really like R&M. It seemed like Futurama for nihilist pot-heads to me đ
Worst part about Rick and Morty... literally half the ppl I talk to about the show don't understand half of the references or where the original idea comes from... they just talk meseeks and pickles... sucks
19:00 this exact reason it what makes old star wars so likeable. They always seem vulnerable and just barely make it out alive with witty thinking. When the vulnerability and wit disappear... you have the new Star wars movies that mostly suck.. lol
I thought that mid commercial plug was like an analysis of some youtuber hype spinning some product in a weird tangent. Well I guess it still was but it was meant to be ironic? Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesh.
Same could be said about the Venture Bros. Although thankfully, there's still hope. There's apparently been talks of getting the show continued on HBO.
Well this didnt age well. New episodes just came out, and I'm confident it's going to go straight back to the top. Once they get a consistent schedule down, it will be the best show on tv again... o and the vat of acid episode is the best of the entire series and that was at the end of the last season soo...
This is an excellent summation of the show. I adore both Futurama and R&M but rewatching them both recently I realized personally why Futurama will always be goat. It's bc in the end it's an optimistic show about the relationships we have and build.
The show is hilarious and brilliant often but it's the emotionally resonent moments (e.g Jurassic Bark, The Late Phillip J Fry, Meanwhile, etc) that I always remember most. And since it's more grounded it feels more relatable. R&M sometimes comes across as a bit juvenile in its angst and philosophies. It can also be brilliant in its comedy but I never found it's ideology anything but meh.
They both use Sci fi to point out the absurdity of existence and relationships, but while R&M is the fedora wearing college kid mad at you caring about things, Futurama is the goofy dad who ultimately wants everyone to have a good time and be happy with his family.
And like you touched upon how R&M lost a lot of the characterization that worked in the first 2 seasons, the Futurama crew not only kept what made the characters great throughout the entire run, but had a lot of heartfelt and we'll deserved character progression. I don't think any series had a finale as perfectly built up to like it did that way.
For as stupid and goofy Futurama can be it feels way more like an adult show than R&M is and as an adult myself I just find it way more endearing while cracking me up, while I mostly watch R&M for the laughs.
Am I the only one who has never seen Rick & Morty? Or has had zero desire ever to see Rick & Morty? Or has always thought âfuck Rick & Mortyâ, despite never seeing even a single scene of it, because years ago within a 6-12 month time span every stoner and friend with a sense of humor/taste in entertainment you do not trust whatsoever felt the need to ask you âdude!.. have you seen Rick & Morty!?..you havenât seen Rick & Morty!?. you gotta see Rick & Morty!.. funniest fucking show ever made!.. seriously, you gotta see Rick & Morty!â.. I REPEAT NOW MORE THAN EVER: FUCK RICK & MORTY!
Whenever Emplemon uploads, you've just gotta set aside some time and kick back for a bit. Each one is like its own passion project, and it's worth every minute.
The shows are shockingly similar at their cores: Centered around an egotistical protagonist with a God-complex and showing the danger of said mindset. And a dysfunctional family. Difference is Communityâs messages are a lot more direct and straightforward. And I think the show is stronger as a result. I mean, the show is also way funnier and handles meta jokes with aplomb whiles R&M pees the bed every time it tries to tell a meta joke.
@MasterOfKnowledge I mean, in a vacuum yeah, but considering the background to seasons 5 and 6 I can't fault them too much, but yeah, seasons 1-3 are the shit
If I remember, he was super aggressive with the staff and it was part of the reason they let him go for Season 4. I never really credit all his good shows to just him, since you gotta remember the Russo broâs were writers for Community to, but Season 4 showed how much impact Harmon had
@MrDrunkUK Don't get me wrong, I liked season 4, but it was just forgettable to me. Not to mention I wasn't even aware there was a season 6, this whole time I thought 5 was the one Yahoo did haha. But yeah, I agree that seasons 1-3 were the prime of that show
I think season 5 is the worst yet just mindless adventures and yes the first episode was different from the others but it went down hill really bad from there I hope the last episode is gone be different from what we have seen now
Stuff does matter and that's scary because that means stuff can hurt you, so rick runs from it instead of trying to confront his problems! Go to therapy you raggedy old man!
@Mcb Eh, half and half makes a whole, all things in equilibrium and all that, but to me the first 2 seasons carry most of the quality out of the entirety of the show, but I have to say the first 2 episodes of Season 5 had me feeling nostalgic r&m quality vibes.
yeah and it's frustrating cuz my friends don't see anything wrong with that! i think it's mainly the huge pressure of the show's popularity on the creators. plus Dan Harmon has a lot of personal problems as a human being
oh man ''those sunday nights knowing id have to drag myself back to school in the morning'' omg lmao this video makes so much more sense now. is this your first time experiencing nostalgia? this whole video is exactly like those 30 year olds who say shit like ''every pokemon game after red blue & yellow is shit, all the pokemon designs are weird and ugly now'' just because the old version is what they new growing up. cmon dude, season 3 and season 4 were great seasons. ricklantis mixup won an award even
This show was peak "I f*cking love science" material. I think most people nowadays have pretty much had it with the Bill Nyes and the Neil Tysons. All that stuff just comes off as pretensious and played out.
Generally speaking, people tend to stop âf*ckinh lovingâ science when science produces results that directly challenge their deeply-held personal beliefs. (Side note: No matter what your deeply-held beliefs are, eventually, science WILL directly challenge some of them.)
So, you have to listen to the psychologist's opinion as the truth in order to agree with your opinion piece. Fascinating. The Episode that won awards is the "Bad one".
Honorable mention to Kendrick Lamar's "Good Kid, M.A.A.D City", which has now spent a staggering 358 weeks on the Billboard 200, Eclipsing "The Eminem Show"'s 357
Great album for sure, still hasn't beat my favorite though. Dark side of the moon at 741 I believe just off the top of my head. And I'm actually really impressed with myself that I still remember that after all these years
People hate Rick and morty? Edit: whaaa people thought quality went downhill in season 3, man I must not have a high expectation or be that big of a fan then
It was cancelled due to Valve being Valve. They were too obsessed with perfection and could not keep up with the minimal episode demands, or get the pilot to fit within the 11 minute run time. So, they just released the pilot in 2014 as Expiration Date and decided to make it into an update.
@FreeToPlay Scout You mean to tell me that there was going to be a tf2 show and the pilot was fucking expiration date? What a complete waste of potential.
@comradecommissar1945 Yes, Adult Swim seemed to show fondness for TF2 in the early 2010s. There is a skit from Robot Chicken that involves Medic, and a scene of the Venture Bros where Rusty is playing TF2. Adult swim advertised TF2 on their blog and ran a commercial for the Venture Bros made by Valve using TF2 characters. There are also a bunch of old promo items in the game from various Adult Swim shows like Robot Chicken, Venture Bros, Aqua Teen Hunger Force, and Metalocalypse. There's several videos on this topic, but VNN has a quick rundown of the timeline: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIjjVrstGd8. Here's some unused textures from the original pilot: https://www.reddit.com/r/tf2/comments/27zgzr/bread_update_textures_leak/. I suppose rushed production could also explain why they couldn't get Grant Goodeve to voice the Engineer and had Nolan North do it instead.
Team neighborhood is the closest thing to a TF2 show we got so far. Unless valve decides to pick it up again. Problem is that some of thevoice actors have aged to a point where they sound off or completely different. Scout still sounds like Scout, but with a deeper voice, for example.
@TiiX Well they wouldn't be able to have Soldier in a speaking role, unless they either have a bunch of unused audio, or like pitch-bend a good impersonator or something. They'd probably just cram Nolan North in there completely unedited like they did in Expiration Date. 15.ai can actually pass itself off as Soldier, but only with very specific phrases and would probably take significant editing to meet production standards. Team Neighborhood is fantastic btw.
@FreeToPlay Scout Yea, did notice that soldier near the end of experation date sounded alot like Blutarch/ Redmond mann. It's sad that he's gone, especially since i love soldier so much." Ihave done nothing but teleport bread for three days". The voice actor of soldier in team neighborhood is also very good in terms of replicating the soldier voice
you say its a good show yet you spend the video saying its bad
just give up on the pipedream
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We just not gonna talk about season 4 and Rick struggling to be there for his daughter? And Jerry trying to stick up for himself and grow a spine? They went back to their roots of dysfunctional family. Weâre not supposed to think about it too hard I anyway I guess.
It's funny how when Emp posited his rhetorical question about why people like the show, I immediately was like characters, and then was like, "yeah that's also good, ooh I do like the improv," and just kinda had to wait for him to agree with me.
Sorry but I'm one of the people that has never seen the series and only learned of it through memes, and I refuse to watch a dumb comedy that is heralded as the highest IQ show there is. I mean, I love dumb comedy but not when a large group of frequently stoned individuals are trying to force it down everyone's throats
I remember my dad telling me about rick and morty and we watched the first two seasons laughing. Couple months later season 3 was announced, so me and my dad would watch each episode as they came out. Such a peaceful time
I watched Rick & Morty up to I think the end of Season 3, but they didn't have season 4 out. I have been putting off Season 4 and 5, I could probably go back to watching it, I'm just not sure. Are Seasons 4 and 5 worth it?
@L. Wolf their was a interview where dan said season 5 will have a lot of lore stuff so maybe it'll be better then season 4 but i guess we'll just have to wait and see
Here's kind of a metaphor of what I'm Rick and Morty used to be grease and sugar you know stoner comedies everyone liked it it taste good now it's more like sugar and Jello I don't know why it's kind of bland or just sugar and more sugar that's basically I can how you put it
Could be worse, the Rick and Morty fanbase could wage Nerd Jihad on each other whenever a new season comes out. Which is what Star Wars fans do whenever a new movie is made.
Iâm a fan of Rick and Morty. I think itâs funny sometimes. Do I consider myself a part of the fandom? No. Iâve never purchased/said/done anything in the show. I like the show though.
I mean i get merchandise of my favorite shows and movies once in a while but it doesn't mean im a part of any fandom
I dont usually associate myself with other people in the fandoms of the the things i like i dont consider myself to be one of them and if i do interact its only with a small group of people but other than that i ignore them
To me a fandom is just a community of people who share the same interests with one another And for me i dont consider myself to be apart of their community
@jeb bryant i remember seeing stuff like that when i was in Maine back in 2019, funny how rick and morty has gone to a point where crackpipes of it exist
@tabasko ah all good got confused with the ping. Also yeah the fact that they went so hard with merch that you could get crack pipes is amazing. I think I should confirm I donât smoke crack I just thought itâd be the funniest thing to own
@jeb bryant i think while i was there i saw a LOT of crackshops and stuff and they had so many random-ass things, like i think i saw a goddamn minion bong or something like that
I don't normally say this, but i'd honestly be fine if they pulled some lazy "it was all a dream" bullshit to basically retcon everything after season 2, and get a fresh start from there so they can do things right
If you think they shit on Doctor Who, just look at ALL of Star Trek. "Lower Decks" is such a steamimg pile of shit, even Netflix passed on ot. The service that gives Amy Schumer and Mindy Kaling comedy specials thought Star Trek Lower Decks was too shitty to sign up on... During a pandemic and Hollywood lockdown. Doctor Who isn't even grazing the tip of the iceberg in how badly they ruined the Star Trek franchise.
Doctor Who ruined itself. Besides, it was never that good. David Tennant and Matt Smith were amazing and there were some amazing episodes, but also some terrible ones, even in their era. But it was usually incredibly cheesy and far from deserving of being considered "sci-fi". More like "mildly science themed fiction". It's mainstream British television and nothing more at the end of the day. It certainly has its moments. Like, really, really good moments. But most of it is crap.
Chris Chibnall is the biggest problem the show is currently facing, look back on his episodes in the past, all stinkers. But the BBC still made him showrunner! The timeless child arc has pissed on 50+ years of world-building and lore, all for the sake of SubVeRTing EXpecTAtionS. He just HAD to leave a permanent mark somehow, for posterities sake; because he certainly wasn't going to be remembered for the QUALITY of his ideas...
u say that adult swim never aired somethin like rick before but superjail was kinda zanny n wacky. less coherent but even the anatomy of the characterts n their noodle bodies n the violence levels were similar. i thionk rick morty was very fitting fitted tyo release on AS not to a surprise for me personally idk
I love the jabs at Film Theory, literally I wouldnât be surprised if Matpat would one day do a video that says that Edd from Ed,Edd n Eddy has aspergers and is actually from Saturn and that somehow represents the human condition and ideology
Well I've heard about the fact that he's gonna release his final TDE album, I hope it won't be his last album ever, but I'm pretty excited about the album itself. It's coming, and I'm hyped up for it.
@Sailor literally the point of this video was that the family dynamic of rick and morty actually was more important than people realized. If you watch season 1 and 2 and all you take away from it is "Nihilistic science comedy", your sort of missing a vital aspect of the show.
11:45 like the vid but thatâs patently false. âCaringâ for others is a wildly beneficial evolutionary trait thatâs many species developed and display to this day. Humans have greater capacity for emotion and deep though, so it is more apparent and well, âdeeperâ but caring and supporting members of our âbloodâ or tribe, and species, working together etc. is what allows for the broad advancement and overall survival of the human race. If every single person was selfish and worked to undermine others for their own benefit, we wouldnât have even made it past discovering fire. Why does the mother bird naturally collect food to bring to her children? Why do wolves hunt in packs? I understand what you are trying to say in the context of that clip, but itâs still pretty off base imo. Again though, great video! Definitely earned a sub
6:23 its about time travel , see Rick is morty , and morty is rick I thought this from the 1st episode , I went back and watch Back tot futer , to see , Marty , has his mom hit on him, and he has to Get his dad to take His mom off his hands , go watch the movie , his mom totally wanted him ,., now I don't think u could do this , with a "dad" , but grandfather , Abosiutle more do able , ( I call it the Grandfather paradox ) , I think Justin Roiland saw this and said . what if Marty was his own father , no that don't make sense , but what if he was his own grandfather , yea , I can see that .. and made ashwo , and they don't / wont do any time travel , cuz I think they are saving this time travel as , this , Marty goes back , and falls in love with his grandma !! ( eww , I know ,. ) but if u watch the movie , the she is based off the movie , and there are clues int eh 1st episode that support this .12:00 Rick don't care about morty , cuz Rick doesn't care about himself , So him saying he doesn't care about morty , is him saying he doesn't care about himself .
Honestly I loved season 3. Ive never been a part of the fandom proper but I've always loved the show. I think he's a bit dramatic about shit. If you ignore outside influences the show itself is always entertaining. I'd suggest checking the show for yourself. Super easy to binge but it's not for everyone
@S V yeah I was getting a pretty biased vibe off it. Same with like hungrybox and some of his other video documentaries. He states his opinions as facts
If you hate me Because I have Irritance/distain of Fandom GOOD I rather be hated for what I am then Something Iâm not. bit of paraphrasing from CM Punk but Iâm not him tho he speaks facts! đ
I hate to tell you, but I wouldn't see this as a sitcom. Yes the family is dysfunctional, but the writer is intend it to be that way in the most over the top manner. The characters treat each other like garbage on the regular, yes they join together as a family unit at points in the show but overall you get the sense that the whole point of the show is that they treat each other like absolute garbage which is the opposite of what a family should do. In this case it's way more dysfunctional than The Simpsons, it's intentionally dysfunctional over the top for the sake of its own surrealism. It explores a lot of scientific theories particularly multiverse theory. And it definitely centers most of the dysfunction around Rick, who seems to be the main catalyst for all of the families issues. I would say part of what makes the show so great, and so fresh, is its surrealism, it's intentional motive of bringing you things you haven't ever seen or imagined, and exploring those things through the lens of a family that just doesn't give a flying f*** about anything they do to each other, because if they did really care all the time, it would just be another movie or TV show, and if they were mildly dysfunctional but always manage to hold things together it would be the Simpsons, but Frank is a sociopath and the rest of the characters are not too far off. Keep in mind I don't support dysfunction, but this comes off more like an intentional satire, possibly trying to beat sitcoms that feature dysfunctional families to death
I have an honest question: is there such a thing as timelessness in this generation? I donât fault Rick and Morty cashed into their brand, but itâs important to work with the new technology
@Pierre Begley i'd say the last episode is good, the bad thing of the season is that its way too random, i mean yea rick and morty has always been random but this season is simply too random in my opinion
THEY ARE TRYING TO SHOW MEDIA WHAT THEY WANT AND THEY EVEN TOLD US THAT IN THE TRAIN EPISODE HOW THEY HAD TO IMPROVE BROAD APEAL AND MARKETING THEY WERE TRYINH TO MAKE IT A SHOW ALL CAN ENJOY ITS STILL A GREAT SHOW BUT ALL PEOPLE HAVE DIFFRENT IDEAS OF A GREAT SHOW EVN IF YOU DIDNT LIKE IT PEOPLE LIKE: ME DID.
Iâm 13 enjoyed like a ton of shows like Simpsons, Futurama, family guy, and Rick and morty despite watching them at age 12 they just tried there best to make it a good show by using suggestions from the FANDOM they proves it in the train episode for more explaintion watch film theory on Rick and mort
Eeehhhhh, cut AdultSwim a bit more slack, they also brought us such gems as Frisky Dingo, Archer and of course the ever ubiquitous, if sadly cancelled Venture Bros. Season 5 isn't really doing it for me, only by merit of that most recent episode where A LOT of background and lore is revealed... and we are breathless with anticipation regarding the season's conclusion.
0:00 Futurama Dies 0:50 Adult Swim 2:52 Rick and Morty - A unique combination, crude and elegant, spontaneous detail, An Anti-Show 4:32 Rick and Morty Grows 5:31 Universally Revered --> Hated 6:25What is Rick and Morty about? - A Disfunctional Family and how it deals with life's great questions (The Smartest show on television?) 8:07 Sci-Fi: Science Fiction 9:42 Dysfunction is the premise, Sci-Fi is the lens which we look through 10:35 Nihilism: Promoting, Critiquing, Warning? 12:00 Deep Down, He Cares 13:10 Salvaging The Good Times Accountability - Actions have Consequences 14:54V-Sauce, Michael Here16:55 Male-Pattern Baldness 17:08 M.A.A.D. Fandom, Season 3 Premiere Family BURSTS 17:55 Pickle Rick, A Turning Point for The Worse? 20:20 Flawed Scientist --> The Smartest Man In The Universe 23:45 The Rick and Morty Fandom 25:45 Rick and Morty stopped being cool! 27:30 Trends Don't Last Long 29:35 4 Female Writers - Sloppy, Inconsistent 31:34 Good Show, that maybe could have been great. It believed its own hype
i actually really liked the pickle rick episode. i mean specifically the payoff of rick ending up in therapy even after almost killing himself and going thru everything he could to get out of it. The therapist puts everything in ricks face and its a really self aware moment thats just high-larious 10/10 would eat poop
Yes but in the episode where he body swaps he gets into a rick from the council and he never left that body so he could be using the body augmentations used by the council
It sounds like they could always pull off the âwe were in a simulationâ to explain away the later seasons if they wanted to get back to what the show was. I enjoyed listening to your thoughts on the show :)
@Consumer of worlds Where a show drags itself out for so long that people forget its existence and yet it still keeps trying to cling to relevancy by doing stupider stunts.
That remark about television not being that good anymore just makes me glad that Phineas and Ferb seems to still have that lightning in a bottle quality that they used to, the promo song from the new movie looks be just promising as the show used be.
its just another trying to hard to be another deconstruction show which is just over done. there is no more reconstruction anymore. i watched full house and its breath of fresh air of optimism and no i hate everyone attitude that is a cancer in modern television
The people who hate gamergate can never stop talking about it. In light of what's gone down since Gamergate I would consider anyone mentioning it to be massively out of touch with current events.
Gamer gate is basically their Vietnam. As in, they basically lost so they have the constantly bring it up like itâs still a thing even though itâs been pretty irrelevant for years now.
The more technological we become, the more humanity we lose. This is because we have put all our feelings, our emotions into technology too. Science is for innovation in life, but not for life itself. Sooner or later science without spirituality will hit a wall that it can't move past unless it looks up. (I'd like to think maybe this is starting to happen now)
So I really enjoy Rick and Morty a ton and I might "idolize" the main antagonists but I still know their actual character and who they are and their story in the show.
For me, seasons 1-2âs depiction of family drama and Rickâs conflict with loneliness and connection are where the themes were at itâs best. The show didnât try to make Rick seem like some overpowered god that couldnât get hurt. He had to rely mostly on his portal gun to save himself and even that would get compromised in certain episodes, leaving him more vulnerable and forced to improvise in order to survive. The show really fell off the rails for me by season 3 when they decided to make him go from a jaded yet goofy alcoholic scientist, to someone with a godlike status that could solve everything with gadgets without facing any real stakes.
Loved your old ytp's, and this new content just blows me away with each new video. I'm glad to see you still sticking to youtube with even higher quality content.
Aw, your analyses are always good! Thank you for putting in the work, and showing us this bit of history and culture! Edit: I also love the mocking reference to Game Theory, the sell-out.
I recently got into Rick and Morty, I felt the same way about the last two seasons. It was a bit concerning at first to learn that adult swim ordered 70 more episodes, because I thought that might put a lot of pressure on the writers.. But if you think about it, itâs meant to be a random show and not something chock-full of lore in each episode, so the writers hopefully can just continue as normal.. And, like you were saying, now that the fandom is cooling down, hopefully the writers can focus on the show. The worst thing writers of any show could do, is listen to the fandom.. Itâs not bad to listen to what your regular viewers have to say, but itâs just best to stick to ones guns on their original ideas.. Most things including TV shows have their low points, and some get better. It would be kind of sad to see another show with potential fall to the wayside..
With all that aside, I still like the show.. Itâs entertaining enough to just escape for a bit and watch something weird...
I thought season 3 was one of the best. It was very consistent. The one when Ruck and Morty are police is one of my favorites. "Same old thing, Mortys' killing Mortys' "
We had fandoms before the internet. We connected via networks of events and synchronicities. We do not live in person quite so much anymore. It is amazing, but still something is lost that you may, sadly, never experience.
I started watching sometime during season three, one of those were the first episodes I saw, then I went and watched up to that point, so I've only really had to wait for season 4, and to me Rick and Morty has only gotten better, even the first half of season 4 I loved
I tried to watch this show. I really did. People kept telling me that it's hilarious and really smart. I forced myself to watch the entire first season and half the second season. Honestly I don't think I laughed once.
I think the way they made the last episode of season 4 where they made Rick start to be obscure and in the spotlight of the most powerful person on the universe made him relise he has nothing but that title I think it was also might have been foreshadowed that when he says âhe is godâ and then a literal god beat him up really makes me think they are trying to change it back to itâs first 2 seasons It was a pretty good season finale to start a new narrative in my opinion Canât wait for the next season
I mean, nice video and everything, I see your points, but I'm really just a stoner that wants to crack a couple laughs watching something wacky. I already have plenty of great shows with intricate and thougtfull plots and writting that makes you reflect on certain issues. Rick and morty does that sometimes, but in my oppinion it's certainly secondary. Idk, I just enjoy it
I think it really peaked once more in the second half of season 4, introducing new dramas like ricks loneliness and exploring the family once more, and with the season 5 trailer looking more like the smith family than rick and morty, I think it will be a great show once more
i hope the next season tackles the drama aspect of the show a bit more. as much as i love its comedy and the sci fi, the underlying story was what i liked most. season four was enjoyable but not as good as i wanted it to be although its not horrible or anything. the acid vat episode and the ending were both great lmao
Im glad that season 4 had moments that slowly showed rick he doesnt own the universe. Like when Birdperson almost killed him, and same with that one god from the episode where the planet had babies.
To be honest I never noticed a dip in quality from season 3 and 4, I feel like the only reason you and/or a lot of other people did was because you pigeonholed your idea of what it should be onto it. Rick & Morty has never taken itself as seriously as you imply it does. It's an episodic comedy, it just needs to be funny and interesting which almost every episode is.
The interdimensional cable episode(?) absolutely destroyed me and I'm still not over it, lol. I guess every child has the feeling that they had ruined their parents lives by being born at some point. I'm the sorry person who thinks about that all the time. I wish I had mlrtx who would tell me to "come watch TV." I liked the episodes that had the family focus and perhaps more focus on Summer/Beth. I liked the Beth's made up land episode. That was season 3 I think? It was a fever dream and I don't remember it well because I saw it only once and my memory ain't good but it did give me guidance lol. It was interesting seeing the characters feal with the same feeling I have, right. Rick and Morty is a prime example about why I don't like fandom culture. I like things for my deep fancy reasons that I have a hard time putting into words and I always dread meeting someone who likes the same thing... It makes me sad when someone likes something just for shitposts and memes. Although it's valid too. I just don't like seeing it lol. I guess that's the point of having niche shows for a small group of people, just like it was mentioned in the video...
I don't know why, but I just started thinking of the Saints Row franchise, what started off having a grounded story with some elements of absurdity until the third installment where everything was turned into an almost mindless action series, while the story is neglected and becomes mediocre
Yes I never liked when rick became the smartest men in the universe, I prefer him to be vulnerable, just a scientist that despise his flaws, manages to do great things.
Agreed. I donât even know where that characterization of Rick came from. The only person that thought Rick was the smartest, was himself. And even then, he never truly believed that either. Seasons 1-2 Rick was someone who would get drunk, go on Sci-fi adventures, then come home and pass out; all of this done in an attempt to avoid being alone with himself. Seasons 3-4 Rick is just some omnipotent god that could do whatever he wants with very little repercussions for it. Even his fight with Bird Person in season 4 was boring since heâs really no threat to Rick at all since he has a surplus supply of body armor that protects his organs. Rick in season 2 got shot by a teenage girl and needed Morty to help him up and seal his wound.
With pickle Rick I respectfully disagree, pickle Rick is the dissection of the show displaying the elements that create Rick and morty and showing the fact is that Rick is incapable of change, the talk at the end of the episode doesnât even phase Rick. Because the ultimate goal of Rick and morty that has become apparent is when Rick will finally break and confront his past
I know that him suddenly having advance Tec for situations is weird but after the situations in the earlyer seasons it kinda makes sense that he doesn't want to rely on just surviving. I mean in the purge episode he did have those suits but he had to get summer to send them to him so mabey it was a misstep having him suddenly able to do that or mabey it is him being more prepared? Who knows I just watch the show for fun not to think about scince
At 25:54, I like how the pseudo intellectual Reddit philosopher spells âPersonalâ wrong after trying to give an image of his own masculinity and intelligence.
The biggest problem with rick and morty is the entitlement of the fandom, 100%.
It's an awesome show, hamstrung by the 'fan theory's culture. I actually like thay its made a point of trolling that section of It's fanbase as much over the past 2 seasons.
I dont think this guys is grasping thr true undertone of this season and how it wraps up loose ends and opens new plots and starts better character development! And season four only further proceeds from these arcs
I go on Reddit and everybody is always like, "Oh Rick, yeah he's so right. He's the best and Jerry's the worst." Those are the people who ruined Rick and Morty.
I dunno man. Many people might disagree but I really conected with season 3 rick. The bouncing between feeling all powerful and a useless piece of shit is very real for me. As a viewer who started watching only after the entire 4th season came out, it honestly felt like the same quality of show throughout, and I feel it points out how people dont automatically change into a different person when they have a character arc. I think the fandom drastically changed the expectation of the show rather than the show itself, but thats just my opinion.
I don't think they necessarily capitulated to the fandom, at least not completely. This moreso reminds me of Neil Young on the Tonights the Night tour where they'd play the album start to finish and alienate most of the audience, then by 30 minutes in asks them if want to hear something they've heard before and starts playing the exact same set they've just played thru.
I just cannot understand how intellectual logic leads anybody to nihilism. It doesn't play. Logic IS purpose. Value exists both of and as you. I think these people are hiding. Fear is logical.
Rick and Mortyâs a good show. The true genius of the show is not to overanalyze things. The pickle rick episode is the funniest shit Iâve ever seen. No need to cry about the therapist. Having Rick go around and unrealistically mess around is hilarious. The fandom sucks but what fandom of a popular outlet doesnât?
I didn't start watching Rick and Morty until 2018 and I had no involvement with the Phantom and I didn't know anybody else that watched it so I was unaffected by what everybody else thought which may give me a better perspective.
I feel like youâre looking at this show a little bit too analytical, Iâd say itâs just a show where the main idea is nothing matters I feel like itâs just a show enjoyable to watch and you shouldnât look that much further into it
25:05 this is a big issue for me, because while yeah in theory the people who like the somewhat obscure things I do should be likeminded... they often arent. In fact polar opposite from some of my beleifs at times. So what am I meant to do? I want to find people who are likminded but also like the same stuff I do. Its hard to do.
Idolize ain't even the right word its more fun to watch than anything I can understand that what their doing is bad and messed up and still think its cool without me thinking that their "good people"
When adult swim cancelled Million Dollar Extreme due to complaining by Tim Heidecker, that's when it started to all collapse. They cancelled a show that got them hundreds of thousands of views every episode, that gave them a significant profit, and they cancelled it due to political reasons.
The bleakness and lostness is the dark before the dawn kid. We are winning, conviction and care is overcoming ignorance, we just need to commit to solidarity and never give up hope. Fight back! đ
13:10 Dude claims he doesn't agree that 'nothing means anything.' Seconds later he says "The knowledge that nothing matters, while accurate, gets you nowhere." I get the sense that you may have missed the magnitude of the words 'while accurate' and spent too much time trying to figure out what happened between seasons 2 and 3. What happened was this guy farted and pulled the sheets over his head.
Yeah this doesn't make sense. You're saying that pickle rick created the fandom but the fandom created pickle rick. Are you actually Dan Harmon?
I can't speak for everyone, and I hate to be one of those people who's like, "I like the old Rick and morty." However, at least for me, I liked the show much more when it relied more on comedy and the overarching plot was subtle. Now it tends to rely on juvenile extreme violence rather than unique comedy.
If pickles and ricks all got along, they prolly gun me down by the end of this song. Seem like the whole fandom go against me. Every time Iâm in the streets I hear REEE! REEE! REEE! REEE!
honestly I love your videos but for me R&M really start picking up at season 3, the scene in pickle rick that you talk about with the psychiatrist for instance to me always seemed more like a - rick is really smart yet this person x took 3 seconds to completely analyse his situation, better than him even - and found humor in that. it was less on the nose and more super meta like much of the stuff they do in season 3 onwards. i'm really not the biggest fan of the first half of season 4 but I'm glad the second half kinda went back a nudge. maybe since I watched 3 seasons in one go the lines are more blurry but I really don't think they lost their charm
I like Rick and Morty, but I'd never defend it, even if I have bones to pick with some criticisms, simply because of the fans of this show pooping on any semblance of legitimacy in any argument in this show's defense, as they come across as psuedo-intellectual wankers who are so self absorbed in the perceived intelligence boost due to the messaging in the show and how relatable Rick is, especially in season 3, that they rightfully out themselves as, well, Jerry.
I like your videos, but you pose everything you say as some unoposable truth, like your analysis is the only right one. And then you only immediatly refute your own previous points, or just "forget" to continue on them in the later part of your videos just so you can make a more intersting narrative. It'd be more suitable if there were some sources other then your opinion if you pose this many statements as truths.
Fandoms didn't exists before the internet? Chariot Racing fandom lead to one of the deadliest riots in history. The Nika Riot in Constantinople started because people who were basically chariot hooligans' got arrested for what the people thought were trumped up murder charges.
Everyone out here saying people are missing the point idolizing rick so they are dumb are also missing the point. Youre just reinforcing their view. Isolating them for many reasons one being you are also wrong, just like everything its about balance. If you condemn rick you condemn everyone who might relate to his sympathetic side or something. Its just seeing in black and white. No different than idolizing a superhero that can do no wrong and make no mistakes.
20:09 TBF if I got robbed by a teenage girl and was getting into life threatening trouble every week, I probably would start carrying weapons too.... It's just that Rick's weapons are insane.
"Any anime ever" for the crazy fandoms i was like "NO NOT DEAMON SLA... no ok they are nuts, well what about Ouran Hig... no they are bat shit too."" Yep, cant think of an anime i enjoy, that doesn't end up having a fair amount of "stans" behind it going "HARUS MIIIIIINE ANYONE ELSE WHO TOUCHES THEM IS DEAD" like its all real and that one person can claim a fake drawing that animates on a screen thats been watched by millions, but yeah no. This Haru is defiantly 'Sailor_Sun4Lyfe's đ€Ł god im too old for this shit, i felt normal when i was a teen but now i feel weird even being near fandoms
haven't seen the video yet but rick and morty is just a silly funny show with silly funny jokes and anyone that tries to make it a lot deeper than that or way worse than that earns my immediate contempt. like omg just laugh at the old man turning himself into a pickle it's not that big of a deal ffs
26:21 The anime thing is the most accurate thing ever. Iâm a huge anime fan and Iâm degenerate enough that I also read manga but I keep it to myself. The community is insufferable except for a few friends I have
@Mercury I feel like he just ran out of content and tried to appeal to too many people and it worked, heâs probably making more money than he ever did before. If I were him I would do the same thing sadly tbh.
@Mercury True, but dignity and pride doesn't really matter when you need to provide for yourself and your family. As sad as it is, he made the right decision in my opinion.
@Bruh Master well, thatâs a complex issue. I honestly donât care if you make money doing something like YouTube, I just feel that once it becomes your career it loses its soul. Money is great and all but thereâs better ways of gaining capital than selling out your dignity.
theres another adult swim show called "xavier : renegade angel" and it has been compared to rick and morty and even called the superior of the 2, if you ever want to, feel free to check it out as like most things on the network its a very bizarre but interesting expereince
Does anyone watch Off The Air?? Its a newer show(made within the decade) but by god that shit is badass. Most unique show I've ever seen on TV. That shit was made to throw those who are unfortunate enough to catch it while tripping into one crazy ass trip. The first time I watched it I had eaten 5g of killer mushies and the damn thing threw my ass into a 6 hour thought loop/existential crisis lol
Futurama gets none of the love it deserves. Rick and Morty is great and actually kinda deep and original but, in many ways, ruined by it's fandom. For me at least.
@Horacio Barrios the problem is a key factor of consuming media is discussing it with others. When a fandom becomes too toxic, you tend to lose the ability to more deeply engage with media and lose part of your interest in it.
This is very blatant in games. Would you want to play an MMO for years if literally every single player was out to scam or insult you? Warframe is a fairly good example of a game that's been carried almost solely off its very active and positive fandom despite the game itself very rarely resonating with people.
Can you enjoy discussing a show when anyone you talk about it with refuses to see any faults in it and gets hung up on every tiny little detail.
@Horacio Barrios While you're right a terrible fandom can ruin or sour the experience I really do think that while season 3 was mediocre the fandom at the time made it unbearable and gave it a worst stigma
@The Playbunny Arcade  good point, even tho I prefer discussing media with friends that share the same interests but I will listen to different opinions, even in toxic fandoms
I wholeheartedly agree with the theory of the showrunners chickening out on the storyline to avoid conflict with how mainstream the show accidentally became. Felt the same watching S3 which is why I eventually dropped it as well. Not a judgement of their character, just a pity.
Edit: love you for the manic anti-hero attachment disorder term, will co-opt it. Also you get complimented on your editing and compelling narratives anyway, so let me add, you have good taste in music.
Season 4 went to greater lengths to show him losing, at least more than season 3. He almost dies to both zeus and birdperson, both times having to be saved by others. Unfortunately the show is being inconsistent with his power level to make these moments work, even disarming him to a boring ass fistfight with zeus.
Mat Roqueta The show tries to subvert expectations so much and punish you for having expectations as a viewer that it doesnât even surprise me anymore. It just feels like a show with an identity crisis.
Yeah but remember how he literally can't die a few episodes befor? It was very strange to see him overcome death but than struggle with a stupid cyborg. I constantly thought: use your fucking tools idiot.
Yohan Bosu no but he had to keep birdperson âsafeâ
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NUT Their âemotional momentsâ are Rick with a frowny face at the end of an episode while an indie song plays in the background. Oh no, his girlfriend dumped him? He cloned his daughter? His friend died? That totally makes me feel bad for this asshole that killed an entire planet just to ruin his grandsonâs Netflix show pitch. âIâm a terrible fatherâ thatâs not even his original Beth.
Are we ovethinking Rick and morty too much? Even though I took a massive break from the show and watched season 3 and 4 late (and don't remember how I felt about them) I thought when rewatching it that it was pretty consistent and really fun, and I feel like it fits the whole philosophy of the show pretty well... I mean the show warns about nihillism but ultimately kind of still is, "Nothing really matters so why not just write fun stuff." The Pickle Rick episode had me laughing like a mf through and through and I don't see why it is a source of conflict, The therapist tells us how we are supposed to feel? I think it's the audience that choses to hear it that way or not, I just saw a therapist explaining her job to Rick who was being disrespectful. And when you stop asking yourself too much questions or holding too much importance to the supposed teachings of the show, then you just start to have fun, then it makes your time worthwhile and then its existence ultimately matters, therefore critcizing pseudo nihilism.
I think the show has the right to not be that deep or smart sometimes, and Ironically it makes it even more profound in my opinion.
@Dave Just Dave people try to find meaning in things where none is intended.
like contemporary art. put an umbrella at a gallery and someone... SOMEONE will take a picture, forming deep introspective analysis as to why it is art. when in reality, it's just a show meant to make you laugh.
Knowing basically this entire video but retracing Rick and Mortyâs origin, reliving my high school experience with [adultswim] and Community and Channel101, staying up for both runs for the premiere of the pilot episode, and getting an EmpLemon video out of it is the best thing to ever happen this year.
Sometimes I wonder what happened that made MatPat so universally maligned.
One a more related note, great video. Makes me wish that more people fundamentaly understood critique so we wouldn't get so many "SU sucks and here's why" type videos.
@luxuriousmoth1 his vids start with a theory that far fetched and then make a ok point then he goes off the deep end a talks about nonsense and caps off the vid p.s the vid that made me stop watching his vids was the god awful hollow knight one that can be debunked with a single in-game image
@sailor skj Mine was a couple years when he made a 2 different videos, 1 was supposed to be a ârealistic historical evaluationâ of a video game but he used video game logic and popular misconceptions that can be disproven with a simple YouTube search.
The another one was his whole DS3 theory about the Unkindled Ash your playing as being the 3rd and final member of the Black Hand, despite the fact only one class you can select only has one of the requirements to have a chance of been an Black Hand, that class can dual-wields, which is a requirement but is missing a second item that you can wear called a Hunter Ring which all 3 members would be wearing as it increases dual-wielding damage and is only given to and worn by Hunters. And a member of the Black Hand would wear it as the Black Hand were the selected best Hunters out of the group, so all 3 would be wearing them.
@Cory the Norm whoa. That went straight over my head. Hahahahahah and I liked it to begin with. Now I gotta rewatch it for an added layer of tongue in cheek diss service lol
I remember watching this new show Rick and Morty back in late 2013. I thought it was strange but entertaining. I assumed it would go down the same lane as China, IL another show on TV around the time. Never knew it would become this big. I only ever watched the 1st season and I think people overrate this show.
This is why I love the Rick and Morty. I saw a show with big sci-fi elements with some slice of life mixed in and got so caught up in the spectacles and relatability that I never noticed the bigger pictures. I always feel like such an idiot when I watch a video and get this stuff pointed out to me but in a satisfying way.
RE: the part about R&M really being a family drama about a dysfunctional family. Dan harmon had the same thing happen with community, a show about a group of outcasts coming together and finding themselves, becoming only about the wacky one-off homage episodes
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Dan was fired off of community after the first three seasons. Partially because the network wanted it to have a broader appeal.
Imagine this: season five starts with a compilation of season 3-4 only for morty to start screaming in bed and Jerry comes to comfort him tell him itâs all alright It was all a nightmare
Then we get a scene of rick playing Russian roulette and actually blowing his brains out title scene shows just âMortyâ
Or ya know just the nightmare thing that works too
Drew Pruitt Thing is, Rick and Morty has indefinitely left its mark. Itâs marketable as fuck and a lot of the themes are relatable to a lot of people. Rick and Morty is to adult swim as spongebob is to Nickelodeon. Smiling friends is an awesome show show but it borderlines niche-internet animation humor. I do hope itâs given a fighting chance.
Smiling Friends looks good, and Iâm sure Iâd like it, but itâs just more manic chaos internet âlol r4nd0mâ loud screeches and gore/psychological horror shock content thatâs funny or entertaining in small doses. I canât imagine that show having more than that niche appeal.
The first inter dimensional cable episode was good, but season 2âs sequel to the episode definitely fell flat. I think what mainly made me like the first inter dimensional cable though was how it delved into Beth and Jerryâs abandonment of Summer, and the show making a callback to Rick Potion #9 by having Morty use his experience in that episode as a vehicle to push Summer out of her funk. And the ending where Beth and Jerry reconcile was one of the most emotional moments of the show for me. But, yeah. I agree that the show went downhill in season 3.
No body has made these kind 9f videos adresing season 3 until pepole actualy got mad at season four every body loves season three so stop pertending you're a critic
if you think i got it from reddit i didnt, i figured it out. noone agrees with me or says that, and reddit is just an echo chamber where the most popularly liked things float to the top.
I usually donât like sci fi and I think itâs because I hate the made up jargon. Sometimes thereâll just be 5 minutes of dialogue and none of it makes actual sense. Feels like a cheap way to pad a story
Look inside these walls and you see them having withdrawals Of a prisoner on his way Trapped inside your desire To fire bullets that stray Track attire just tell you I'm tired and ran away I should ask a choir, "What do you require To sing a song that acquire me to have faith?" As the record spin I should pray For the record I recognize that I'm easily prey I got ate alive yesterday I got animosity building It's probably big as a building Me jumping off of the roof Is just me playing it safe But what am I supposed to do? When the topic is red or blue And you understand that I ain't But know I'm accustomed to Just a couple that look for trouble And live in the street with rank No better picture to paint than me walking from bible study And called his homies because he had said he noticed my face From a function that tooken place They was wondering if I bang Step on my neck and get blood on your Nike checks I don't mind because one day you'll respect The good kid, m.A.A.d. city
It's a shame JoJo is really enjoyable but damn did it get a bad fandom I say not as bad as my hero academia fandom where they bully the creator for having "problematic " elements but just as annoying as r&m
Never was too interested in Jojo. It's something I MUST watch though, but when I see it everywhere, like Undertale in 2016, I sadly tend to grow comepletely uninterested in it. Saw the first JoJo tho, and I was in love. After that, I just took a break. Looking at the fandom outside, it's not too bad, but it's been getting to that point rapidly, overtime. Could be wrong, but that's how I always seen it. I'm just tired of looking at it shoved in everything.
Same in the sense that they both have insufferable fanbases. But I would say that's it. I'm not aware of JoJo fans influencing anything, or tainting the show's reputation.
Completely different. Rick and Morty doesnât always focus on action, it focuses on character development. Jojoâs doesnât have too much character development and focuses more on the fighting and the complete and absolute bullshit absurd logic used during the fight scenes. I love both shows and I donât see too many flaws with both because Jojoâs doesnât need much character development and Rick and Morty doesnât need more action because theyâre a perfect balance of both.
Every fandom has toxic side. For most it's a loud minority... But even then, when there's a million fans of something, a ratio of 1:100 is still a big number from an outside perspective.
I feel the Rick and Morty fanbase is at least more self-contained, where the obnoxious part of the Jojo fandom will shoehorn it everywhere they can. It's to a point where "Is that a JoJo reference?" in itself is a meme
Jojo is the most wholesome fandom in existence. People crapping about earrings in another show. Jojo has a nazi be part of the squad and no one raises a finger.
Honestly there is no good fandom. The truth about communities built around anything is quality vs quantity. The larger the following something has, the more diluted discussion around it becomes due to the need for mass appeal. The discussion around jojos was good back when it was the jojo community and not a fandom. The anime has functioned as a double edged sword, whilst its great to have one of the most influential mangas fully adapted in high quality with a great amount of care by a production company that has a deep love of the source material and is entirely focused on being as accurate to it as they can, it's also opened the floodgates to the more negative aspects of fandom. For ages the jojo community was seen as the best out of all anime communities because they didn't fall into the same traps that larger fandoms did, being a lot more insular and niche due to how unconventional the source material was compared to other anime and manga, however it became only a matter of time before that reputation was lost with jojos becoming just another trashy anime fandom. I think part of this is the people who break good communities into bad fandoms are the people who don't realize they are the problem, they rush to a niche community as soon as it receives a modicum of popularity, flood it with fanaticism, low quality content and discussion, ruin the reputation, then complain about how bad it's become and then move on to find the next community to ruin, perpetuating the cycle. A lot of the time this also comes from people who don't enjoy things for what they are, but rather try to force whatever they like through their preconceived notion to the detriment of anyone who doesn't share their worldview. This is best demonstrated with the far left who try to enforce a message of social justice into whatever media they consume, the more these kinds of people occupy a community the worse it gets. I think this phenomenon is best seen with the /r/shitpostcrusaders subreddit. Originally it was a pretty good quality meme subreddit, however, the infiltration of leftists with strong agendas on the mod team led to them enforcing stupid rules in the name of social justice which alienated the better content creators which harmed the subreddit massively when the quality was already in decline due to the higher quantity of low quality memes. It essentially functioned as a microchasm of the jojo fandom as a whole.
@Captain Weekend While I agree with most of your points, the one about the far left didn't sit right with me. While I agree that quite a bit of the radical left wing does that kind of thing, the radical right wing does the same shit. Radicalism in and of itself involves getting offended at things that don't match what you think and trying to force it anywhere you can.
@The Rat King I've yet to really see the radical right wholesale ruin a community like the far left has though. Typically people on the far right are more conservative when it comes to media, unlike the left they don't demand diversity quotas be met or races of characters be changed for the sake of being progressive, often whatever they will latch to they try to keep it from changing for better or worse. Usually right wingers are attracted to a community because they believe the source material shares its values, they will fight to keep it that way, but they don't typically try to force something to conform to their values.
@Captain Weekend while I haven't seen the right wing really ruin a community exactly, I have seen them get really mad at companies for making their protagonists women to be "progressive". While sometimes it is pandering, a lot of the time it's just what the writers want. Many people from both sides of the political spectrum hate properties for having certain genders/races as a leading/supporting role.
@The Rat King You're basically just reaffirming what I've said, the right fight to preserve media as it is, where as the left fight to change it to better suit their political agenda. Also it being "just what the writers want" is often because they share the same agenda as the radical left that tends to ruin these communities. You're trying to enforce the idea of horseshoe theory here when it doesn't work because both sides do not act in the same way. I don't sympathize with the far right but I can recognize in this scenario they are better at not ruining communities than the far left.
@Captain Weekend What I meant when I said that is that the characters are just like that because they are. If anything you've reaffirming what I said by just seeing what I said and saying that others want to reinforce an agenda. Sometimes things just are how they are because they are. Sometimes politics don't really matter, and both the left and right fail to see this all the time.
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The Rat King2020-07-29 07:11:48 (edited 2020-07-29 07:12:49 )
@Captain Weekend Okay, I thought you were gonna be cool about this, because you were before, but that's besides the point. First off, I'm not even left wing. I share more right beliefs than left. Second off, my point is that the right wing can ruin things by seeing agendas where there aren't. Let's say for example, there's a movie with a black woman lead. The right wing looks at it and sees an agenda. Then, they create a controversy. Now people see the property worse because of the controversy. Third off, I said that sometimes it is pandering because I wanted you to see that I think the left isn't perfect, but you see that as admitting I lost. I can share views with a party and not think that they're flawless. It honestly sounds like you can't take people saying that the right wing can be bad too.
@Sunny in a present, what will he do? Once you tune out the fandom, it's honestly pretty good. It's really the only anime I can stand to watch these days, and it's introduced me to bands and other music I wouldn't have known about or cared to look into more beforehand. As somebody who loves all the music references in all eight parts, it's worth looking back at if you want to give it another go if nothing else piques your interest in the moment.
@Captain Weekend "they dont try to force things to conform to its values" you just havent lived in america since 1980 or ??????? conservatism has ALWAYS dominated what we can/cant show in the mainstream
@lotty last I checked it wasn't the 1980s, it's no longer the satanic panic with conservative bible thumpers trying to restrict freedom of expression, it's now lefties trying to control language and expression under the guise of anything they don't like is sexist/racist/homophobic, etc.
Mr. Friendship2021-02-15 12:03:18 (edited 2021-02-15 12:06:28 )
@The Rat King I'm pretty sure you are referring to the skeptics community where alt-right wingers are against diversity and LGBT representation because they believe that progressivism will destroy the Western civilization. While I do understand that forced diversity as well as misrepresentation of LGBT are becoming problem in the entertainment industry nowadays, they immediately take the blame on minorities for being part of the "woke leftist propaganda" when there is no such thing as a propaganda. Like you said, if there is a black female lead, they'll freak out and complained about it that only white people should take the leave. Politics or not, bad movies can be really problematic when it comes to bad writing and poor acting skills. The "skeptic" community also complained that politics shouldn't be in any entertainment medium, but they bring some political debates that has nothing to do with the movies, TV shows, or video games.
That's like one saying that the Animal Farm novel is "too political" when that's actually the whole point.
It just depends. The people from JoJo who constantly reference garbage shitpost crusaders memes, for example the Kira monologue one, are the absolute worst. Although I will admit the monologue comment on the killer queen music video made me laugh. But the people who have been with the show for a long time are usually pretty cool. At least the fandom for jojo can't ruin the show.
I'm a huge fan of Rick and Morty... EXCEPT the pickle Rick episode. That by far was the most unfunny thing in the entire series and everyone paraded it around like it was so genius.
gotta say the writing and analysis is superb. the accents with ESPRIT take it into another realm of enjoyability once thought impossible to me. awesome work. thank you!
As someone who just got into the show this year, I have to say that I thought that Seasons 1 and 3 were the best while 2 and 4 were inconsistent. Knowing nothing about the show, I watched the first three episodes of season 3 on a plane and I didn't fully understand episodes 1 or 2. Pickle Rick wasn't only funny, but I at least got to see the family in a relatively normal situation. So say what you will about the episode, but at least it was easily accessible to a newcomer like myself.
Sure, beginning the series at season 3 wasn't ideal, but I didn't exactly have a choice.
It's weird because I personally enjoyed season 3 more than 1 or 2. I thought it was the most consistently funny of the series, and Pickle Rick is probably my favorite episode of the show. Season 4 was hit and miss.
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Anthony Minimum2021-04-12 12:12:20 (edited 2021-04-12 12:14:15 )
19:27 in the season 3 premier, he does posses the bodies of three separate Ricks, so itâs possible the third and final Rickâthe one from the main Council of the Citadel of Ricksâhad some body modifications and a fearless personality. Remember, Rick said that he lost his ability to improvise in a gromflomite he possessed earlier, so that means itâs possible for some personalities to be forgotten as well
Although I did like the Pickle Rick episode (which is basically one of 3 maybe 4 good episodes from season 3). I do like the hope you have for show towards the end of the video. And even Harmon seems to hint at this with his "more Emmy-worthy episodes" in coming seasons. Season 4 was half great.
I used to like the third season, now I like the first two more. I used to like the middle seasons of SpongeBob, now I like the first four more. Dammit these videos truly make me change my mind, you reveal so much meaning I missed!
How much you enjoy something can change from how you think about it. If you decide ahead of time you will like/dislike something then you will probably like/dislike it. That can happen in hindsight as well.
The writing team were a bunch of bro's. It was clear from every single frame. It was the output from a nerd frathouse. Unfortunately they caught the fucking "diversity" disease and felt they had to incorporate wahmins, which may or may not have something to do with Harmon's awful behavior towards a female staff member from another show he headed. And his following earned in full shame about the event. When you throw women into a frathouse party the dynamics change completely. And this goes both ways btw. Wahmin are just as fucking awful when they think nobody watches, throw a couple of guys in there and it falls flat on its ass.
I've been thinking about this all day. And even if i kinda agree with you, theres is one part i dont. I think giving rick the feeling that Rick is "indestructible", the nothing matters in the universe feeling has a bigger effect to the viewer, reather than worrying about "is he gonna die in this episode" feeling. I think that the univers is a caotic place, and nothing mattters what we do, is a really good psycological feeling, and how this serie is showing us, but! The serie also shows that the universe is infinite and how fun is it to explore, and it dies worth explore and going on adventures, to find fun in it.
Interesting analysis which I much enjoyed. I always found fry from futurama very unsympathetic and basically a sociopath whereas Rick in his various incarnations is sympatheti and all too familiar.. Somehow morty is the heir to Arthur dent that he is not to me. Also who is to say Susan S was right about Rick? And whose mind is really under its own control? X File music...
The problem with nihilism is that it poses a problem without a solution. To ignore nihilist is to be willfuly stupid. To stay at it is to miss the point. The world really is without an inherent meaning. But you need it to function. So, what do you do? That is where the thought truly begins and diverges.
To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Rick and Morty. The humor is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of theoretical physics most of the jokes will go over a typical viewer's head. There's also Rick's nihilistic outlook, which is deftly woven into his characterisation - his personal philosophy draws heavily from Narodnaya Volya literature, for instance. The fans understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of these jokes, to realize that they're not just funny- they say something deep about LIFE. As a consequence people who dislike Rick and Morty truly ARE idiots- of course they wouldn't appreciate, for instance, the humour in Rick's existencial catchphrase "Wubba Lubba Dub Dub," which itself is a cryptic reference to Turgenev's Russian epic Fathers and Sons I'm smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion as Dan Harmon's genius unfolds itself on their television screens. What fools... how I pity them. đ And yes by the way, I DO have a Rick and Morty tattoo. And no, you cannot see it. It's for the ladies' eyes only- And even they have to demonstrate that they're within 5 IQ points of my own (preferably lower) beforehand.
I avoided watching Rick and morty for a very long time because a majority of the people I encountered who were fans of the show, and would implore me to watch it, were extremely obnoxious about it. When I finally watched the show I did appreciate it and thought it was great and funny. However, I immediately felt that the fans over hype it, and also create this air around it like "you have to be intelligent to understand the show". Someone of my close friends who gave me this impression, who I have known for a long time and know very well, are quite possibly some of the least intelligent, and philosophically impotent people I've ever known. I realized that a lot of the actual depth and substance that exists in the show goes right over these hard-core fans heads, and most people who are obsessed with rick and morty really just like the crude parts, like when Rick is just drunk and ranting about nonsense.
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Anthony Minimum2021-04-11 23:33:50 (edited 2021-04-11 23:35:38 )
8:08 MatPat does provide in another Rick and Morty Film Theory episode that his theory on Mr. Poopybutthole is not plausible by a long shot
To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Rick and Morty. The humor is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of theoretical physics most of the jokes will go over a typical viewer's head. There's also Rick's nihilistic outlook, which is deftly woven into his characterisation - his personal philosophy draws heavily fromNarodnaya Volya literature, for instance. The fans understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of these jokes, to realize that they're not just funny- they say something deep about LIFE. As a consequence people who dislike Rick and Morty truly ARE idiots- of course they wouldn't appreciate, for instance, the humour in Rick's existencial catchphrase "Wubba Lubba Dub Dub," which itself is a cryptic reference to Turgenev's Russian epic Fathers and Sons I'm smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion as Dan Harmon's genius unfolds itself on their television screens. What fools... how I pity them. đ And yes by the way, I DO have a Rick and Morty tattoo. And no, you cannot see it. It's for the ladies' eyes only- And even they have to demonstrate that they're within 5 IQ points of my own (preferably lower) beforehand.
To be fair, most shows peak in their first 2 seasons (HIMYM). South Park got around this by evolving. Breaking bad had a clear destination and was more like an episodic charecter study movie.
To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Rick and Morty. The humour is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of theoretical physics most of the jokes will go over a typical viewer's head. There's also Rick's nihilistic outlook, which is deftly woven into his characterisation- his personal philosophy draws heavily from Narodnaya Volya literature, for instance. The fans understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of these jokes, to realise that they're not just funny- they say something deep about LIFE. As a consequence people who dislike Rick & Morty truly ARE idiots- of course they wouldn't appreciate, for instance, the humour in Rick's existential catchphrase "Wubba Lubba Dub Dub," which itself is a cryptic reference to Turgenev's Russian epic Fathers and Sons. I'm smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion as Dan Harmon's genius wit unfolds itself on their television screens. What fools.. how I pity them. đ
And yes, by the way, i DO have a Rick & Morty tattoo. And no, you cannot see it. It's for the ladies' eyes only- and even then they have to demonstrate that they're within 5 IQ points of my own (preferably lower) beforehand. Nothin personnel kid đ
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John Johnson2021-03-21 12:45:40 (edited 2021-03-22 02:29:23 )
âPickle Rickâ is a great episode. People can be mad about its popularity and the memes. But the episode was very well received by fans and critics when it aired. Then yâall annoying âfansâ wanted to retroactively hate on it because of the memes and the hype. The episode did perhaps represent what should have been a shift in the series, one that the show wasnât ready to make. So, I guess in some ways the episode was a mistake. But the episode itself remains a standout, though perhaps it came too early in the series.
Same. IIt's tough because I know Rick is never getting redeemed and the only possible ending I could want is him losing. Yet I love him so much. It's painful to care about the family like this.
Unfortunately Nihilism gets a bad rep nowadays. The whole point is to realize nothing has INHERENT meaning so you can freely attribute meaning to whatever you want. It's not just about giving up because nothing matters.
Yeah, some jokes require to have a basic understandment. But like futurama, for example. The fact that so many fans of the show would not shut up about how smart you had to be anger me
For years and years I screamed about ratings and the idiocy of broadcast TV, way before I even had broadband I was saying, why are you cancelling this show, cos it only got 6 million viewers??!! That's a lot of people don't stop making it, just put in on the internet and make another show as well to satisfy the people who don't like this one. If there is one defining theme for those of us who were kids in the 90s it's regression to the mean and appeal to mediocrity, everything was aimed at the largest possible market, so it was all incredibly bland. Then something wonderful started to happen with the internet and cable TV and we got better shows, edgier shows, more experimental shows, I remember Watching Queer as Folk when I was 14 (I wasn't gay or at least didn't think so at the time, but I was fascinated by a glimpse at the lives of people who weren't Monica and Chandler). And that was great for a time but them as shows kept becoming more and more niche, communities formed around them, and suddenly we had people starting to complain about literally anything that was in their 5% preference bracket, like no one had ever thought them how to change the channel. and Now we're retroactively going back and sanitising even the 90s shows that absolutely everyone agreed were suitable for all audiences. When I see these people going after racism and sexism and anti-LGBT bigotry etc. I always remember this time when my dad spent like 30 minutes trying to catch and kill and fly in the living room before realising it was actually just a water spot on his glasses. What I'm trying to say is that there are undoubtedly still some occasional cases of these evils and I don't like them either (although I don't necessarily want them sanitised from my media either, I doubt all those WW2 movies I used to watch with the family would have had the same tone or message if the nazis had just been running around handing out flowers and candy). A lot of what people are pointing to and calling unacceptable now, was just the reality of the zeitgeist at the time. Would I agree with the very very over done anti-trans jokes in Ace Ventura if it were released today? No I wouldn't I think there's a way to handle an issue like that more sensitively while still finding humour in it. (A good example might be in Archer, when he falls in love with the Russian Assassin/Sex robot, and freaks the hell out when he finds her vagina soaking in the bathroom sink.) But I really don't care about moments of casual homophobia between Joey and Chandler, they were guys in their 20s in 90s New York, being single and on the market, trying to compete against models and movie stars, it made all guys like that, not homophobic, just a little insecure about if they were projecting themselves as being manly enough. And even if you now in 2021 believe that displaying just behaviour or airing such opinions on television is wrong, well I'm sorry kiddo but it happened, we didn't make it up, sure it's a fictional show, but not set in a fictional universe, these were shows about how real identifiable people would cope in outlandish and absurd situations, while also trying to navigate through the random crap of every day life. And I think they taught a lot of us 90s kids how to grow up, before there was a need to invent the term "adulting".
Wow I went off on a tangent there. I suppose if I have any conclusion it's that TV needs to become more of an event again. We should schedule viewing parties (all nicely safely socially distanced using our oculus rifts) so we can sit in a virtual theatre or around a discussion table, and whisper to the person who is virtually sitting next to you, or yell at the screen loud enough for everyone to complain. The afterwards everyone can postmates or doordash or ubereats their favourite junk food, and nom away while discussing what just happened and what it might mean for the greater plot over a zoom call.
I appreciate Rick and Morty (I don't but I see the appeal) but Xavier Renegade Angel remains my favorite philosophy show. It was even more unique and had a really unique style of having to research or rewatch episodes to understand a few jokes for hardcore fans of course. Anyone interested even slightly in religion philosophy and stuff Rick and Morty explores, I can't recommend Xavier Renegade Angel enough.
I really didnt care about the pickle rick episode as much. It was funny for what it was at the time andd i enjoyed it as the crazy shit that it was. What really hurt the show for me was more the point about rick becoming a god that turned me off in the long run. There was no tension at all in season 4. Season 4 felt like a bunch of unrelated ideas about what you could do with an immortal, cynical,crazy Professor than anything that the show was before. Also the story progression came to almost a full stop. Nothing really happened during the whole season. The show still has potential as it can revert at any moment and even retcon without any efford du to the whole multiverse theme. Hope the show comes back stong for season 5
Rick and Morty was always supposed to be dumb humour (Roiland) with a dash of tv tropes (Harmon). It isn't genius. It isn't profound. It's funny. Regardless, I don't know another show I like which I'd be more embarrassed to admit so.
all the nihilism shit reminds me of a chunk of elder scrolls lore. CHIM is a form of godhood achieved when the person realizes the truth of the universe but continues to believe that things do matter. If the truth is realized and the person becomes a nihilist, they cease to exist. I fucking love how moral that shit is. Become a Vivec, not a Rick.
Rick + Morty is much closer to Family Guy , than it is to Futurama. It is more like the "really" late night Adult Swim animation, but not really like Futurama.
Futurerama was a good show worth making a video about. Boondocks was a good show worth making a video about. But here we are giving more than half an hour to this thing lol.
Season 3 happened. The fanbase became a laughing stock after the high iq essay thing was posted and it became a trend to hate on it and since it went mainstream there were more people to hate
Rick and Morty getting popular made me realize I aged out of pop culture. I watched it and thoguht ah, aqua team hunger force was better. Next thing I know it blew up.
I just watch rock and Morty just because Rick and I have a close personality And I agree with Rick, humans are a PEICE of ...... hmmm I need a long think..... give me a sec
All the good shows and games get the worst fandoms. Think of Undertale and, well, Rick and Morty. Itâs a little saddening. The Nihilist part of the show is self aware and I think discourages Nihilism.
Thatâs a big part of the show that they become more like Rick more depressed and never learn from their mistakes they donât actually learn until season 4 finale
I think Rick And Morty is being looked at something it isnât. Itâs just a dumb show with good writing and all these character arcs and all this world building you want from it I donât believe is what the show is about
Maybe itâs just because the kids at my highschool that liked it, but I really never saw the appeal of the show, Iâve had friends show me episodes and scenes and it never really clicked idk why everyone else seems to love it
Man, I miss the days when season 3 was considered subpar. Season 4 wasn't very good, and then the second part was actually BAD. I had never seen a bad Rick and Morty episode before, and all of a sudden every episode pretty much sucked. There are a hundred reasons for it, poor pacing (train episode), recycled arks (I fucked a planet is awfully similar to the I fucked a hivemind that controls a planet), poorly used refrences in medium that's not built for it (the occasional mention of something like reddit was tolerable, saying we "are gonna do a star wars" is summarizing your whole episode in a shit package), and actual product shilling in an episode. I knew something was going to go wrong when I started seeing the Rick and Morty comercials for Pringles and Wendy's. Granted, they were interesting comercials that didn't even seem like commercials (portraying pringles as a souless corperation and Wendy's as a pack of thugs isn't great brand association), but makeing that connection was off putting. And when they basically put an ad for fucking WRANGLER JEANS as the sole solution to the bad guy I realized the show was fucked
He's not saying the fans aren't smart enough to get it. Just that they're going in with the wrong expectations, and so are having a different experience. It was made as a dysfunctional family show, and instead got treated as sci-fi action comedy so much, that's what it became, killing it in the process.
Saying that Star Wars is about dysfunctional family is just laughably wrong. The first Star wars movie had almost no family in it, and look at how popular it was when it first aired. The family stuff was added in the sequel Empire strikes back, and it was only to shock the audience with a plot twist. The only one of the original trilogy that had any family theme at all (and even that was in the background) was the Return of the Jedi.
The show is good, the fandom and attention it got during its peak was not good and pushes me away from wanting to associate with it. Same thing with Undertale and other similar fandoms. Undertale is a PHENOMENAL game but the fandom is very cringey.
On Omegle I just goof around with my friends and talk to random people while making stupid jokes. I started wearing a pickle costume, not Pickle Rick, just a normal, everyday pickle. I cant tell you how many times Ive been called âPickle Rickâ. At least 90% of the hundreds of people that Ive met called me that at first glance. It concerned me because it made me realize how far the intellectual comedy of Rick and Morty had fallen since the episode.
It concerned me because it made me realize how far the intellectual comedy of Rick and Morty had fallen since the episode. On Omegle ... I started wearing a pickle costume, not Pickle Rick, just a normal, everyday pickle.
I love Rick and Morty. I hate the fans and I hate how much they overrate the intelligence of the show. The only truly intelligent episode was the one with the train in the most recent season.
I like your choice to make Lisa Simpson blue and skin colored in this video, but I totally recommend going back to green for your future content. It might be off-putting to new-coming fans.
So obviously this will get buried, but I have suggestion to mane sense of your claim that season 3 feels aimless. This show is actually from the perspective of Morty, and season 3 is his final loss of innocence and coming of age when he truly sees his hero for the flawed human he is. It hits harder with his parents divorce. All of the traits that you claim make season 3 undesirably "less than', when viewed through this lens, make it feel like a more whole part of the overarching story. This is just from an unwavering fan looking to rationalize the criticism, though. I have not experienced any disappointment with this show, but I also understand how others have. Great deep dive, thanks for the vid
This is totally unrelated but fuck i wish they made a cartoon where each episode was different animation style if crews were used in a cycle to keep every episode a different look and if done right i think it would differ from anything else since theyre not relying on a style it would take creativty and be more difficult which would honestly be so much more entertaining then jus like throwin on full house or sum shit
I feel like this whole "fandom influencing media" thing isn't exclusive to Rick & Morty. I feel like I've noticed some parallels between your conclusions and the From Software's Dark Souls game series. Dark Souls was not designed to be a hard game. The creators just longed for the old days when RPGs didn't aggressively hold the players hand, like they were in recent games. The fact that Dark Souls gained the reputation of being a hard and unforgiving game was an accidental byproduct of its core design philosophy. In fact once you get a feel for the game and learn all the game's basic mechanics, Dark Souls is actually pretty easy and very forgiving. Yet that reputation and resulting marketing push attracted a loyal, vocal, and elitist fanbase that grew large enough to warrant a Dark Souls sequel. This is the first 2 seasons of R&M.
Dark Souls 2 was hard and unforgiving by design and it still splits the fandom to this very day. This is seasons 3 and 4 of R&M. A piece of media catering to the desires of a fanbase where many had gravely misinterpreted why they loved that piece of media to begin with. An interpretation they held until that piece of media actually became what the fandom had originally interpreted it as.
Dark Souls 3 was a return to form for the trilogy and is almost as universally loved as Dark Souls 1 among the fandom. Even if some people note its lack of ambition, noting that the game seems to be trying too hard to be Dark Souls 1 instead of a proper sequel. The fandom has really mellowed out too, They're practically the exact opposite in 2020 compared who they were in 2013 and who their reputation still proclaims them to be. The wider culture around From Software has basically trapped them into the niche of "that company that makes hard videogames". This is what R&M might become in season 5.
I hugely disagree, the biggest issue with DS2 wasn't that it was unforgivable, the issue here is that DS2 was unfair and brutal for all the wrongs reasons. DS1 was hard but a fair challenges, it never put you in a small room with 30 ennemies all at once, DS2 level design is mostly tight and small corridor which does not help the gameplay at all, making it feel cheap and relied on luck sometimes. No matter your opinion on DS3, it was way more in-line with what ds1 was, also DS2 did not have the same director so they had very differents vision on what game design is, that's why it's so drastically opposite to miyazaki other projects on a core level (sekiro demon souls DS1/3 and bloodborne) And before the classic DS2 fans tell me to git gud, i literally got the platinum trophy
@Daniel Silva Yeah that's why the core design philosophy of DS2 was so different than 1. DS1 was mostly one man's vision and he handed the reigns over to someone else. By all rights DS2 is a good game, there's really nothing wrong with it. The game was just taken in a direction the new director was led to believe the fans wanted by the community and the marketing. But it turned out that most of the fans didn't know what they actually wanted.
I remember being disappointed by season three the further it went on (though I really like the Ricklantis episode).
Manic Anti-Hero Attachment Disorder is a good concept explaining this. I also think Roiland & Harmon became too concurrent with pop culture, and it's really noticeable between season 2 & 3 with the references and plot ideas driving every episode. It seems they became overly attuned to the current pop and underground culture opinions of the show, and it heavily influenced the plot/character outcomes, on top of adapting to mounting popularity and network demands.
I finally got around to watching season 4 ep 1 weeks ago and was disappointed, but this video gives me hope it can get better.
P.s. Yes, good choice on the MAAD acronym intro with We Are Happy Landfill, UwU.
The therapy scene comes off more to me as a juxtaposition between the absolute cartoony madness of the Pickle Rick adventure and having him drag his decaying pickle body into the family therapy session only to be completely deconstructed verbally. I think it's meant to be way heavy handed and too on the nose. Rick tries to shrug it off, but by the end of Season 4 it's clear that he already knew thia about himself and just couldn't admit it.
Rick can survive his wacky sci-fi nonsense, but the real world is what actually hurts him.
But I can see how it comes off as being condescending on the part of the writers
Nick Black2021-06-29 04:57:02 (edited 2021-06-29 11:55:57 )
Same here bro shows fucking hilarious the problem starts when people start trying to act like Albert Einstein to others just because they watch the show and others donât enjoy it
It's a way for people to engage in tribal behavior, same as pro sports, politics, and religion. Intelligence isn't mutually exclusive with those, but people who have less willpower and self-sufficiency will naturally feel comforted by participating as a follower, and those with high willpower and self-sufficiency won't need that emotional support so will participate more on the fringe. And the latter, if clever and ambitious, tend to lead if they choose to become embroiled.
So for example in a cult, gullible weak people will be subjugated and their use of intelligence blunted, while those who think for themselves will be excluded by the clear-headed leadership. The result is that the cultists seem like stupid cows and the leaders seem like genius supervillains. It's a combination of a sorting process and people enjoying playing their roles.
@12 21 Dunning-Kruger was debunked. It's a statistical fluke that appears in any data organized the same way, even random noise. I know, it's hard, because I desperately want it to be true too. If it helps, some 5% of people actually suffer from the effect, but 95% aren't, so it's more like 5% of people are dense in this way instead of everyone. But maybe your boss is one of the 5%!
@Googie Gress It's just the way of things, i'm scared of what will come when that change, because someone is working really hard to kill what is left of humanity.
@Googie Gress You shouldn't generalize. Correlation and causalities are not the same. Does anyone who is smart has to have a leader role? Can't a smart person enjoy being part of a group and having discussions?
@Reismehl You'll find, if you read my comment, that I don't disagree with you. Being smart is not the same thing as being strong-willed and independent.
I have already learned "the main lesson" of this video by myself long time ago. Many fandoms before Rick and Morty have had the same effect, but if anything unique in Rick and Morty, it's seeing that effect (more) in real world than usually. I would not enjoy undertale if I cared about it's cringy fandom more than none I already do, and this applies to many things. I applied this logic even to Rick and Morty before I felt it's last season had grown weaker possibly for those fans, instead of me and my kin in fandom.
Fandoms just generally become like unregulated churches (this means also; Self Regulation etc.) - you get loads of zealous people over their fanaticism riling each other into new heights.
Yeah, the fandom for this show makes me pretty hesitant to mention I watch it a lot of times.
Like in a twitch stream I wasnât aware of how toxic the fans were and I mentioned I liked the show and the response was people treating me like Iâm one of the toxic fans because I enjoy watching the show.
A similar thing happens at anime conventions if I mention I played sports in school or, heaven forbid, they discover I played 6 of them.
Often times people hear about something you enjoy and their reaction is to stereotype you as being like the negative toxic people theyâve met whoâre into that. Like if I assumed every league of legends player had anger issues and is a toxic human being because the ones I know personally are kinda like that.
Joe Bob2020-07-28 22:59:51 (edited 2020-07-28 23:00:47 )
I'm about 7 minutes in, and something has been realized by me.
I've been watching your channel for years now. You are a genius when it comes to understanding stuff. That's the best way I can put it.
I'm not saying you are Albert Einstein, but I kind of am. You're the Albert Einstein of Media and culture.
Every time I watch a video you put out I often gain insight. I don't think any other channel has consistently given any interesting perspective into things I never thought I would care about till now.
Venture Bros, One of, If Not THE best show from Adult Swim with a small and extremely loyal and devoted audience, Recently got cancelled and it was such a good fucking show. Hopefully HBOMax picks it up like how they did with Adventure Time,
Just wish we got those other 2 moral orel seasons. Honestly was one of the most impactful shows I've seen. Adult swim does seem to cut off their great shows early.
@đ đđđđđđ Honestly the newest episodes are actually pretty good as far as story and humor goes. Certainly not amazing, but definitely better than 10 years ago.
@đ đđđđđđ Personally I think itâs getting better now. Itâs not as good as when it first premiered, but itâs better than before.
I'll never forgive them for only giving Saul of the Mole Men a single season, not giving The Big O a third season and only ever doing a pilot for Korgoth of Barbaria.
I watched about 4 episodes. I spent more time counting how many times the old guy burped cause it was a cover for him knowing the guy he was taking to. Found out later that is exactly the reason.
It is true that nothing has any real inherent meaning, but as humans, we require meaning for true fulfillment, thus we are liberated by the fact that there is no real meaning, because we can attribute meaning to anything.
The subreddit is an absolute heck hole. Literaly every other post there is left wing political stuff with the people thinking their political opinions are 500iq intelligence.
What these people don't get is that Rick's character was meant to satirize the "tfw to inteligent genius who gets away with being an asshole cuz he's so smart" trope. Although after the last two seasons I am not sure if the writers of the show realize that either.
@TapOnX bruh the last episode was literally about rick losing all the respect his family had for him, wtf are you on about lmao have you even watched the show?
@aliensatemeout first of all the donald trump reddit got locked or something so nobody got it as reccomended and dank memes on reddit arent dank to start with Reddit just finds memes on some site like instagram or apps like discord and then claims them and later kills the stolen meme by overusing it to irrelevance Oh yeah forgot to add that reddit has a plethora of witch hunts for anyone that has a different world view than the mob Different perspectives are always removed by mods or downvoted to hell all while getting death threats and people trying to dox you Lovely progressive place isnt it ?
â@aliensatemeout The main plot is OK and it's a generally a decent show overall, but so many of the newer episodes are basically power fantasies where Rick can do anything he wants, because he is so strong and awesome and smart and always knows what's going on and teaches everyone else a lesson. Plus, too many 4th wall breaks are annoying, a show needs to earn that.
went to check your claim and after scrolling through ~100 posts sorted by new i couldn't see anything like this. either you saw 2 posts like this and blew it so out of proportion it's a downright lie or your like baiting.
â@Clickbait37seeing how much police brutality has been going on during protests the police definitely deserve some bashing no matter your point on the political spectrum.
I love the way you can put my feeling into words. This is pretty much what I think about R&M to this day. I miss the best seasons, but at the same time I don't think the new ones are hot garbage as many ppl like to say. I always thought something was off but never knew why or what. This sums up it all. Again, you always do an amazin job emp. Fucking legend.
Season 3 was my favorite season for some of the reason's. For example I really enjoyed the scene with the therapist. I don't think It was as closed as you made it out to be in this video. Rick and Beth completely disregarded though. I do agree that as the show as gone on it does feel more aimless. I would love the evil Morty plot explored for example. Not just shown and then never brought up until the characters relevancy plummits . Just for my personal taste it's so cruel to tease a great character like evil morty and then give characters like Tammy way more screen time in the newest episodes.
You know, having watched this video some time after (the second half of) Season 4, as well as Harmond's and Roiland's commentary on Season 4, it seems S4 was a complete 180 from S3. This is, it completely isoleted itself from the fandom and the writers did what they wanted.
No, people aren't upset at the fact that they took away the mystique of Rick, people are upset that when they learned the truth about Rick, all of their delusions of the character were dispelled.
I think the third season is excellent, I am sort of surprised that you mentioned the show not being fundamentally about nihilism, and then later pointing out: sheesh it feels like the whole show is about nihilism all of a sudden in season 3! Thatâs the point I think! Itâs not a show about Rick being vulnerable and having to fight fair. It doesnât matter, in all of its premises and logic! It still has an emotional core, but it goes out of its way to say fuck you :-)
Wow you finally pinpointed why I lost interest in the show despite enjoying most of season 3. Rick became too OP and killed the tension of the show. Still haven't watched any of season 4.
Yeah my interest just dropped hard since episode one of session 3, by pickle Rick it reached me on meme form even before I saw the episode so it just felt like exactly what I expected from it.
Never really felt that the quality dropped, I just caught on the fact that R&M knows it's got a limited run-time as any good show it's hard to experiment too far and alienate their viewers or stick to the same joke over and over until it's no longer funny. Never bought the merch or memed on it, just enjoyed and still enjoy the show
I will say I donât think Rick & Morty is completely ruined though. Granted I need to rewatch season 4 to come to any definitive conclusion but I do think the show is attempting to get back on track to its original goal
i think watching this when i was younger and idealising rick (even for a short while, before i realised i don't want to be anything like him) kindof messed me up a little
How can you be mad about the action sequences âhaving no tensionâ when itâs a cartoon in which Rick is literally the main character, AND knowing theyâve been renewed for like 6 seasonâs worth of episodes
No wonder Fandoms are really that M.A.A.D. I should just stay away from them and either satirize, parody, or praise it and give the psychology, philosopy, and meaning in it.
When you say I take the first two seasons and am happy with it you're an optimist but when you say I hope the show gets back to what it was your just naive and gullible
its funny how at 34:15 he says that he's glad he can find meaning in the show, when the show and creator are constantly saying "you shouldn't find meaning in things".
If there is one reason why I prefer Bojack Horseman a lot over Rick & Morty it's because it knows what it wants and it balances that well. Rick & Morty certainly knew what it wanted in the first two seasons but it still didn't always pull this off well in my opinion, partly the reason why Rick & Morty is so well known as that comedic sci-fi show instead of a drama and the third and fourth season feel like they only lean into that feeling more with the philosophical side slowly leaving the show completely to make place for bold, risky episodes and just plain entertainment. Bojack Horseman, on the other hand, has always been seen as while comedic, ultimatly a drama that adresses a limitless amount of problems in a satisfying way. Bojack really knows what it wants and only got better at pulling it off, while Rick & Morty knew what it wanted and only got worse at pulling it off. I still enjoy Rick & Morty a lot and what it does well, it does really well, but I miss that focus and the understanding of what it is that is present in something like Bojack Horseman.
When Rick faced his problems and got caught, that made me angry. He suddenly feels love for the Beth and Summer from this universe but still abandoned his REAL daughter in the universe c-137 were everyone became kronenberg monsters. Why doesn't he go back and rescue his real family. geez he even made a clone of the new-universe instead. Why so much love for this family but not his own?
The entire first episode sets up morty learning and becoming smarter. Making that seem like what the show is going to be about only shit all over that in the last min. The last ep. Of season 2 makes rick seem like he cares only to then turn around and shit all over it in the premiere of season 3. The end of the pickle rick episode wasn't about you (the audience) rick shows so much disdain for therapy and therapists only to have her Imeadiately nail him 2 seconds after he's gone on a tirade about about how little she knows and how dumb he thinks she is, it seemed like her being able to nail him so fast was the real reason he doesn't want therapy..The episode where he gets beat up by a teenage girl sets up why he suddenly has invincibility suits later on.... i dunno i actually think this show is still great and im not one of those crazy fans. I think the reason season 3 was so anticlimactic is totally down to the staff not the writing, and i think maybe the talking cat episode is about videos like this. Overanalizing to the point where the fun is gone....
I like to spin positive views on the nihilism. Like sure nothing matters in the end, but does that mean you shouldn't just roll over and get depressed. Make the best of your life, sure it won't matter and you're forgotten in a generation or two at most but you won't care cause you're dead then, it's not your problem. Have fun in your life and enjoy it.
itâs funny, out of sheer coincidence i got burnout from the show halfway through season 3. i think i was like 13 at the time? but honestly iâm not really too beaten up about it looking back.
im pissed at the end of season 4, because his entire body was literally ripped apart and his innards were pouring out of him, BUT literally a second later hes completely fine, his body is back to normal, and i found this complete bullshit
Ngl back in the 80s and 90s star trek wasn't a "niece subculture", the problem is that star trek explored its characters over a reset type show and its tech jargon. And thats why today people don't like the dated shows , and all new star trek is deadass. Rick and morty resonates perfectly with modern audiences, as star trek with the optimistic 80s , in 20 years time rick and morty will seem dated and won't resonated with the same amount of new people . Ya see what I mean
i saw the dissolving of the general message of the show in season three as kind of a reminder that rick is human and to not idolize him. am i wrong for that? i see everybody bashing season three but i think i was an interesting sort of reset.
the first episode my boyfriend's parents watched was the dragon episode, I felt embarrassed and felt bad that they had to watch that just to see if it was good or not
I can't believe a show that garnered near unprecedented hype and attention (despite likely being thought of as "we love this but it might just do "ok") was changed in some fashion by the immense scrutiny and pressure from that attention! đŹđŹđŹ
Who knows what plan these dudes had for the show. Maybe they only wrote 2 seasons, so they got new ppl on board to try and make new seasons?? I mostly stopped watching because I just don't watch tv, but if sn's 3 and 4 that I did see, it was very entertaining. They did seem to have a point of "don't fall for nihilism" in sessions 1 and and 2, but they got that across
The most absurd part about the high IQ comment is calling the humor subtle. One of the main reasons I disliked the show is that the humor is so extremely in your face, it completely lacks even the tiniest bit of subtlety. Like literally the humor in family guy is more subtle and I'm not even being hyperbolic. While watching Rick and Morty I always had the feeling they wanted to absolutely hammer the point home "THIS IS A JOKE!!!" at every possible turn, which is why I stopped watching after 3-4 episodes. The whole show feels super forced, which doesn't make it a bad show, but to me very unpleasant to watch.
You lost me in the second part. dislike. i kind of get your point but i see the show from an entirely different point( which is normal for a show like this however i still think you are wrong...
honestly man everything that you like about Rick and Morty is the exact opposite of what I like about it like I don't even know how to explain my opinions other than saying they're basically the exact opposite of yours
The rick and morty memes were shit and so were the joker memes. I originally thought that it were good pieces of media, but it was just too much of the same shit and they basically blew out all other memes. I was planning on watching them, but I didn't want to be part of any of that behavior.
Well maad seems to be an accurate description of what happened.
Rick and Morty tends to be more absurdist, rather than nihilist or anything else. We see rick, despite being unable to face his flaws, keep on living. He has had every opportunity to kill himself, but hasn't.
Ricks tale mirrors that of Sisyphus, a man who was forced by the Greek pantheon to push a boulder up a hill forever. When the bolder would get to the top, it would roll back down, every time. Rick's moments of excess show his desire for contentment, but are quickly followed by a steep mental decline.
The absurdist suggests that, despite the pain inherent in life, despite the misery that people cause each other, we should smile in the face of adversity and say, "fuck 'em". The absurdist suggests that we smile in the face of pain or death, simply as a means of spite, a universal last laugh. The absurdist says, "If I have to live, I'm going to do it my way".
"the meaning of life" being rearranged into "The fine game of nil" isn't pessemistic. Nil is defined as "nonexistent" and we are spiritual beings have a human experience, so we truly do not exist. We just think we do. We have lost our connection to Oneness.
The media ITSELF is not the problem w fandoms. It is exclusively the problem w the fans. And sure, we could easily boil it all down to a lack of community in the modern age which forces ppl to find a community thru the things they consume....but if we want to change those things, individuals need to force change.
Tldr, stop letting "what shows you watch\store you shop at" be the thing which your personality is based on
The fan base an that's including you by the sound of it (an like so many other great things) ruined this show... an by the way No one's a Rick an no one's a Jerry you are who u choose to become so stop labeling urself an limiting yourself with them
The radical sect of the fanbase made mocking or otherwise disliking Rick and Morty cool, and praising the show nigh illegal. It's a sad truth, because the show it self was funny as hell, especially with friends around. But hey, that's the internet.
I didn't see it that way. Rick was always written to think that therapy is for stupid people so it was never going to "work" on him. It showed how the children were influenced by the therapist, but not the nihilistic parents.
The later seasons are directed AT the audience and they've already confirmed fan theories forced them to change the show. Rick and Morty was murdered by fandoms having a passion for the show they like. This is why we can't have nice things
yeah it's unfortunate, but the writers and shit tried to read as little as possible and pay no attention to the theories to keep the show pure, but since the show has lots of commentary pop culture it put em in a tight spot. honestly, i loved all the episodes unconditionally.
You know, when I first read that comment I was inclined to disagree. But that's actually not too bad of a comparison. Other than the fact that Jhonen's stuff was pretty explicitly Goth/Scene, whereas Rick and Morty doesn't really fall into a particular subculture or anything. Which makes it come off as a bit less self-aware, imo.
Jhonen probably understands that art getting influences from other art is totally normal, and I think the differences are there that it isn't at all a copy.
@đđŸđŹđŽ đđȘđŹđź I see the connection, tbh. Overly violent nihilist takes on a strange and unsettling world with a normie, very scared sidekick. I think saying "modern JTHM" is a bit of a stretch, but the influence is possible.
Youâre micro analyzing. The show has progressed very fluidly in my eyes. Rick wasnât taking accountability at the end of season 2. It was his plan to be taken and destroy the galactic government, they just killed his best friend. The show just isnât for you if you dont like how the story is playing out.
I stopped watching Rick and Morty like 2 years ago and this video seemed to make every point as to why, but I still think the worst episode is the one with the super heroâs, vindicators??
@Mr. Friendship That's true but a lot of the science fiction displayed in Rick and Morty has no basis in reality. Usually Sci-Fi has that reasonable amount of realism to the concepts.
@No Name As what the video stated, the multiverse is the representation of escapism from reality in which Rick always succumbs to. Fantasy is all about the concepts of magic where there's no rules and anything that is impossible is possible. Science fiction have rules which the subject is about what is the concept of life on Earth and the Universe.
@No Name I also forgot that science fiction can do the "impossible" like what fantasy does. Think about it. Can you imagine that we live in a world where technology is advanced that no human beings can ever invented such things, and it's made by extra-terrestrial life forms, so humans have to adapt it as a part of our daily lives? Or what about the fact that crystal-clear skyscrapers and modern capsule buildings that takes years to finish, or even flying cars with complicated traffic rules? I think you're right that Rick and Morty have little rules of science but Futurama have more rules due to being based on the accuracy of real life science and mathematics. Rick used science, despite being a mad scientist, as an excuse to make to get rid of the pain.
"Science fantasy" is just a pejorative used by science fiction fans to denigrate sci-fi they don't like. Even Isaac Asimov included non-scientific elements, "fantastic" if you will, and he's the godfather of hard sci-fi. Remember the dragon episode? Where Rick's science is explicitly contrasted against magic? How about the fact that in the context of the show, all of Rick's inventions are based on Rick's scientific expertise? Those inventions are technology Rick developed through access to scientific principles unknown to the rest of humanity. Just because you don't understand the principles behind them, or the show made those principles up and didn't explain them well enough to you, doesn't mean the show isn't science fiction.
don't forget dan harmon was the one spearheading world peace's cancellation, him along with heidecker are the reason it's gone, they themselves went to turner
@Alex Amaya i don't think he's ever referenced anything to do with /pol/ in the thousands of videos he's made, with that evidence surely you could prove your statement? right bean?
@Alex Amaya I disagree with you on the "funny" grounds but I will 100% agree that MDE required prior knowledge of the certain stereotypes and political incidents they were parodying and if you weren't in on the joke it was confusing as hell.
Hiring anyone based on their sex or race rather than their talent is going to cause problems. Did you miss star wars sequel? Setting aside characters and fans for politics is a bad idea. They deserve to fail.
I always hated the arguments that rick and morty is a bad show and doesnât really have a substance and itâs just dumb fun. And I totally disagree everytime. Some people hate it just because itâs loved by many and you know how people are when it comes to things that are considered by them âoverratedâ. Some people give rick and morty WAY too much credit without even knowing why it deserves the credit, and others give it too little credit disregarding the reason why it deserves the credit. Itâs not just done with rick and morty, but many other works of art in different mediums.
Honestly, I enjoy the show. However, judging by this video and the reactions in the comments, I'm glad I have never engaged with their fandom or even been exposed to it at all. Seems dangerous.
JoJo Banks Youâre right. But SU is a lazily animated show with tons of mistakes, and if you took all the great episodes, you wouldnât even have enough for half of one season.
@kingdancekiller aka Dingus McBingus The show had very good music, and quite a few interesting concepts i do agree it could be quite bad at times but i personally liked it.
@kingdancekiller aka Dingus McBingus It's not even lazily animated, the animation gets outsourced to some korean sweatshop without proper directions, so the scale and appearance changes on an episodal basis.
@Robin Banks And thatâs not lazy compared to hiring artists at a living wage who have professional standards? Seems like thatâs lazy.
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Robin Banks2020-10-16 15:30:25 (edited 2020-10-16 15:30:43 )
@kingdancekiller aka Dingus McBingus It's shockingly lazy, they don't care about their own show so much to the point where they can't even be bothered to draw decent character sketches.
The only thing they (allegedly) do themselves is writing, and they even manage to fuck that up by (among other things) unintentionally defending rape through inconsistent metaphors.
Men create order and structure wimin safety and stability. That's just what is adaptive for evolution. But you don't get a good adventure story from safety and stability.
I completely disagree with the pickle rick therapy session analysis. At this point they had already completed 2 whole seasons and every fan worth keeping knew damn well what the show was really about and having the therapy session spell it directly out to everyone was, in my opinion, hilarious metacomedy. As for how Rick became OP I completely agree, but I think the family conflict became the focus of the show and I think that was done very well. Them regressing was the entire point of season three and if anything it felt natural. The individual gripes you have in season 3 ill agree with, but holistically I don't agree
At that point power creep seeped in and Rick was no longer a flawed genius loner. He was the smartest man in the universe. That's not a regression of Rick's character, it's flanderization which is always bad for a show no matter what. And with all that said, how does a random tertiary character get away with dressing down Rick's character and not getting any sort of payback for doing so? Rick was basically untouchable for every moment in the season except for that one. Spelling something out for the audience is bad writing. What is it, the joke is that we've all come to this conclusion? Clearly not as a huge swath of Rick and Morty fans don't see Rick as an anti hero that we are not supposed to idolize. A lot of people went on to consider themselves a Rick in their own lives so no. The general audience was not interested in seeing their god figure torn down by a rando. You can still find that scene funny but the humor comes from the show completely breaking itself just because.
I honestly don't think it's on a downturn. I mean he completely ignored the fact that there are gonna be 70+ new episode at a quicker pace given the adult swim deal. I have full confidence in Justin roiland and Harmon. Community was one of my favorite shows and it survived with low ratings while still being brilliant
I feel like this video really overlooked season 4 ..... Rickâs power is really pulled out from under him as his family realizes heâs not as great as he thinks he is. The family drama is stronger than ever as Jerry returns to the house and Morty finds an identity of his own. This video made some really apt points about but I think it was a little too pessimistic in the end, but thatâs just me. I think it dipped in the middle but has found its footing as a great show.
I disagree, fandoms are often not toxic in themselves. Most of the time there is a large group that nobody cares about (since they aren't fans themselves) until the toxic ones step out and get given a megaphone by people who love to hate on the toxic people.
Fandoms are much like bacterial colonies. Most are toxic, but some are like SCOBY/Yeast. As above, so below, as within, so without, as before, so after.
Something that Iâve realized over the years is, no, fandoms are not inherently toxic. That toxic group of people that ruins the experience for everyone? Theyâre the same people in every fandom. Those people fandom-hop like nobodyâs business between whatever piece of media is most popular this week, wreck everything, and leave. The vast, vast majority of people in fandoms are just normal people.
"Most people know it as that episode with that annoying meme"
I have to disagree. Most people who don't constantly peruse meme sites think of it as nothing but another episode. One they generally like, at that. This is where the "required IQ" meme really took off, as it was the show admitting it's not always going to be witty, cutting, and philosophical; but also will gladly indulge in pure nonsensical humor, which in this case they turn into the plot of the episode. Pretty poorly, but they still do it.
Most people who watch the show only really think of it as another animated comedy show that can occasionally surprise with a very well written joke here and there, from what I've gauged.
The people lauding it as the most intelligent show ever and the people taking the piss out of it because it very visibly diverged from any sort of pretentious intellectualism are the vocal majority. Most people I've talked to have seen the show, think it's funny, and don't obsess either way.
Saying "most people" in this context is erroneous because "most people" don't make their voices known, it's just a vocal minority of both sides. (Not to mention any posts about Rick and Morty being intellectual are satire nowadays)
I don't disagree with any of your observations/critiques of the episode, either. Basically a long winded post saying "most people" was completely the wrong term to use.
I don't constantly pursue "meme sites" Pickle rick was impossible to avoid.
I dont like that episode, it's just kind of weird, and not good weird, I don't like the pilot episode very much either, I like Rick and Morty as a show but some episodes are trash, I don't think theres a decent show out there that you could say dosent have a few bad episodes.
Totally agree. People have a tough time separating "internet" from "reality". Just because morons on YouTube comments are echoing some dumb obnoxious opinion everywhere, doesn't mean it's a reflection of society.
I think its an exceptional show in the first 2 seasons and there are a few episodes from seasons 1-3 that are some of the best ive seen in a long time. that being said season 3 really is a dissapointment, i havnt watched through season 4 yet but from what im hearing..... I think of it like I do futurama, I love futurama is every episode amazing no but there are some that are some of the best tv out there. Bojack horseman is another that I feel is a great show but some eps really drag it down. I really appreciate that Rick and Morty deals with beliefs and hard situations that most shows just don't, especially animated shows.
I may make up a really slim percentage of people who had never heard of pickle rick before watching the show ,but I am among a really slim percentage of people who have never heard of pickle rick before watching the show so - I honestly liked the episode , when I was watching it I thought the episode was sort of like a parody for intense action films like John Wick , watching rick get all jacked up I never for a second thought âomg wow rick is so smart đâ I just thought that it was a load of hilarious bullshit ,hence was making a parody out of action films . It was entertaining enough. As for the therapist scene I think that was important to keep the fandom grounded, the fandom had come to point where people were trying to worship and emulate rick, the therapist while talking to rick might as well have been talking to the audience, it made Rick appear human ,and flawed and tried to put his ego in check, that he needed help to change for the better and people didnât like that .
It's people analyze something till it has no where else to go. Stop killing things with your questions. It's like a bunch of 3 year olds who just lernt to say why.....lol. If you be quiet you will actully take in whats in front of you, now sit down and shut up my teacher used to say....A beautiful thing of the past.
@Vape Lord Yoda not so sure anymore, with the new Diversity hires from the end of season 2, add the General socialist bend culture took in the US got I doubt they can do any better.
This is them. Bad propaganda, clap back grossout. Us EMPLEMON subscribers are big fans of downward spirals!
@Leone Maledetto You might be right. Maybe the gold era is gone forever. Maybe the hiring of the new female writers really hurt them bad. I wish the old days could come back.
@Vape Lord Yoda don't wait for Rick and Morty to be good again
Wait for something to become as good as Rick and Morty was! It feels like lighting in a bottle but it's art. There will always be good art as long as we have the freedom to make it!
@Leone Maledetto I didnât even notice until my friend mentioned it; there hasnât been one portal (from ricks portal gun) this season. Thatâs fucking ridiculous. And now that I think about it majority of Season 4 didnât feel like they used portals too much. Maybe thatâs a huge problem? Idk Iâm just really disappointed in the direction of the series.
@Vape Lord Yoda they gave Rick a hundred different superpowers, realized they made a superman with no cryptionote and if you have an unbeatable character there can be no tension in the plot!
So now they have to stealth nerf him. No consistency, no steaks.
â@Highlander I thought the planetina episode was strangely good, except for the b plot with summer having sex romps. The rest was unsatisfying, yet that did not prepare me for the sperms. I had no idea it could get this bad.
@Highlander Episode 1 is one of my favorite of the series by far loved every second of it. Episode 2 is like so dumb that itâs good. Itâs just a fun little 20 mins but it might get repetitive and probably not good for rewatching. Episode 3 I thought was pretty good. The music is great and the A plot with Morty and Planetina I very much enjoyed however the B plot was lame. They basically took the B plot of episode 3 and made it into episode 4, which sucked badly.
@Vape Lord Yoda Episode 1 felt like something out of season 2. I seriously thought the show was making a comeback and going back to itâs roots, but then episode 2 was a disappointment, episode 3 didnât even feel like the show, and episode 4 is just awful. Also, I still have no clue why the writers made Rick OP to begin with. He was never OP in the first two seasons. Rick was someone who relied on his ship, portal gun, and laser pistol to get him out of conflict. So when those things got compromised in an episode, it made for some really great conflict like the purge episode, gazorpazorp world, dimension 35-c, the giantâs world, etc.
@Leone Maledetto Yeah I wasn't all that excited for this season but the Planetina episode made me think that we were on an upward swing, even with how lame they've made Rick, I fear watching this latest one
I just found your channel, it's unbelievably underrated! your commentary and analysis are on point also your editing is fucking amazing! you deserve over 1 mill subs
I love how he actually made an entire commercial. Good bit. Good job staying committed to your plans.
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The Keeper2020-12-26 02:43:54 (edited 2020-12-26 03:16:14 )
The first 2 seasons are awesome and definitely on another level Atleast for me. Iv watched about 4 of your videos so far. Really enjoying this channel right now
I remember being so excited for season 3 and I really liked the pilot for it, but I don't even remember if I got to the p*ckle rick episode because it just became that unappealing and I haven't touched the show in a couple years. Emplemon did a good job articulating how I felt after the show's peak with season 2
i agree rick has gotten overpowered and that it's ruined tension, but i think it opens the door for a totally new dynamic that revolves around his god complex
I love this show for the comedy, the sci fi elements, the lore, and the interdimensional travel. I believe in alternate dimensions/timelines so its cool.
Honestly I think the show has been trying to ground itself more recently with the final half of season 4 I think the Vat of Acid episode is a huge turning point back to the earlier seasons as for once Ricks actions seemed to have a more proper tone the the tone of that episode made it feel really cruel that he would go through all that trouble just to teach Morty to not question him and after Morty went on his own personal adventure he came back with a speech about living for something usually the episode would b played for a sardonic laugh but Morty genuinely loses a lot of respect for Rick after that eventually culminating in the finale where the whole family abandons Rick choosing to live with more purpose and heart then Rick
For me season 3 was absolute peak, pickle rick being one of the best. Completely disagree with nihilism and don't think it's like the smartest show or w/e. I always really hated jerry, just unbearable every moment he was on screen outside of when he was miserable without bringing someone else down with him.
I mean I think the show just is more interested in developing Morty as a character after season 2. Morty changes a lot, he becomes more capable in almost every way not just jaded, and even then I dont think he's really all jaded
I remember that April fools day because what was SUPPOSED to air that day was the new episode of Samurai jack, a show that 4chan's /co/ board had been living for. for rick and Morty to air in it's place as an EPIC PRANK xD when the show had already been labeled as annoying, arrogant, and cringe, further cemented the hatred for it for allot of people.
By far the best analysis I've seen that isn't clickbait!
But I think it has more to do with the behind the scenes with Justin Roland and Dan Harmon, or specifically Dan Harmon. Roland thought his part in rick and morty was the driving force but after solar we know better..... Dan and spotlight makes him nervous, look at his track record
It's its own feeling when you watch a show, love it for reasons unknown to you, and need to have your feelings explained to you by a YouTuber... It's somewhat hurtful
I gotta say, i must be in the minority then. When the first season was ongoing, i watched something like 6 or 7 episodes, never found it even slightly guffaw-inducing funny but rather forced and trying very hard to be "clever", and dropped it at that. I deeply enjoyed Futurama, and still enjoy much of the Simpsons.
I love Futurama. My heart still hurts that its over, but holy shit Rick and Marty came out at just the right time. The season spaces could have been shorter but its just about on track now. We should end up having the same number of episodes. What I love the most about both Futurama and Rick and Morty is how each episode has a science or physics based thing at the heart of the episode or a science fiction based device like a mind switcher or time machine or a shrink ray/grow ray or a multiverse battery. I love a good crazy space adventure, I love the crazy gadgets . And I love the jokes. You can tell now that the first few Futurama seasons, the humor is outdated and heavily censored for TV. Rick and Morty is balls to the wall with the humor and gore or sexual content. I love any cartoon with a lot of sci-fi and outter space stuff, there just aren't a lot of shows in this setting. And for anyone that doesn't like the newer episodes, I have to disagree, the vat of acid episode is now one of my all time favorite episodes. Its an instant classic. Go watch it if you haven't.
Ugh... a show that hires people based on what is between their legs instead based on how well they do their job deserves to fail. Though that is to be expected from Dan Harmon and Justin Roiland, the two degenerates (even though they are quality entertainers). To everyone who is fine with that type of hiring, I just hope that when you need a doctor, you get treated by a doctor that got their job based on the arbitrary quotas that needed to be filled instead of them being a good doctor. :)
To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Rick and Morty. The humor is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of theoretical physics most of the jokes will go over a typical viewer's head. There's also Rick's nihilistic outlook, which is deftly woven into his characterisation - his personal philosophy draws heavily fromNarodnaya Volya literature, for instance. The fans understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of these jokes, to realize that they're not just funny- they say something deep about LIFE. As a consequence people who dislike Rick and Morty truly ARE idiots- of course they wouldn't appreciate, for instance, the humour in Rick's existencial catchphrase "Wubba Lubba Dub Dub," which itself is a cryptic reference to Turgenev's Russian epic Fathers and Sons I'm smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion as Dan Harmon's genius unfolds itself on their television screens. What fools... how I pity them. đ And yes by the way, I DO have a Rick and Morty tattoo. And no, you cannot see it. It's for the ladies' eyes only- And even they have to demonstrate that they're within 5 IQ points of my own (preferably lower) beforehand.
To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Rick and Morty. The humour is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of theoretical physics most of the jokes will go over a typical viewer's head. There's also Rick's nihilistic outlook, which is deftly woven into his characterisation- his personal philosophy draws heavily from Narodnaya Volya literature, for instance. The fans understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of these jokes, to realise that they're not just funny- they say something deep about LIFE. As a consequence people who dislike Rick & Morty truly ARE idiots- of course they wouldn't appreciate, for instance, the humour in Rick's existential catchphrase "Wubba Lubba Dub Dub," which itself is a cryptic reference to Turgenev's Russian epic Fathers and Sons. I'm smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion as Dan Harmon's genius wit unfolds itself on their television screens. What fools.. how I pity them. đ
And yes, by the way, i DO have a Rick & Morty tattoo. And no, you cannot see it. It's for the ladies' eyes only- and even then they have to demonstrate that they're within 5 IQ points of my own (preferably lower) beforehand. Nothin personnel kid đ
for what it is, I find Rick and Morty a very... sitcom-y show. At least in one aspect - for me at least it was very forgetable. a lot of scenes in this video, memes, pop-culture etc. I do not remember seeing. Ive seen every season as soon as it went live, but I just cant recall most stuff people show/reference from the show. Its good fun, yes, I enjoyed watching it, but much like sitcoms I dont remember its jokes, most characters etc. The fandom would have me believe my IQ is too low to understand the jokes so they make no sense beyond the initial shock value of most of it but I just think its a very fun series with clever humor, much above the level of similar media, but not much more than that and people just give it way too much credit
this is what happens when the fans make the creators so tired of their own show because of all those stupid theories, and their reactions to said theories being wrong, that they dive bomb the planned stories just to try and get it over with, so they can make the show they actualy want to make.
The family drama part is a little construed. Both for Star Wars and Rick and Morty, the "family drama" is just a reflected complication of; in Star Wars, morality and love, and Rick and Morty as more of search for meaning and attachment, while developing change between characters.
When people watch Rick N Morty, they're just expecting another Futurama. They wanted whacky sci fi stuff with robots n lazers and timey whimey stuff. What you end up getting is content more relatable to real life, which to some people, looks like actual science fiction... That may have sounded a lil pretentinous idk. Keep up your good work Emp <3
Calling Star Wars sci-fi is like calling Lord or the Rings sci-fi. There are no scientific elements in it, nor explanation of technology. It also takes place in a "galaxy far far away", making it solidly fantasy. Star Trek takes place in an Earth future and focuses heavily on science and explaining technology.
thats why i like rick and morty so much. if it was just about science, i wouldn't be invested in it. Rick and Morty is ultimately about this dysfunctional family. There are many differences in each dimension, but the one constant is that their family has issues. That universal fact is something that they can never get away from.
They can try, but they'll never succeed. Its a fate they'll have to bear. I don't care too much about the science, and in fact it kinda doesn't matter. The show explains the science enough to where it makes sense so you don't even need to understand the concepts before watching.
the magic that was in the first 2 seasons was amazing. i still enjoy rick and morty even now, but the initial start up is why i even started to like the show.
5:02 wait, Cosmos: A Spacetime Odyssey was number 8 below Rick and Morty? I mean, yeah, I think it was a good show but I guess I just didnât realize that it was that popular
I've never watched Rick and Morty. When you said that starting season 3 quality went down and Rick got unexplicable super-powers, I called it that they hired chick writers. It's obvious. But you can;t say that. "Intellectuals" have a dogma that chicks are above criticizim and that my line of thinking is blasphemy -- even though chicks themselves constantly make jugements based on being a chick or a guy.
I mean it just sounds like a tug of war, not as one-sided as you make it out to be. The fanbase is a group of people, not a force of nature. Fans see rick as nihilistic, so they make his caring side more obvious. Then fans got mad at them for writing more clearly ("the mystique of Rick's psychology" are you fucking kidding me man?), so they made the scenarios more nonsensical. So the fans got mad at the power scaling, so the writers emphasized the interpersonal conflicts. Then the fans got mad that the story was about a dysfunctional family... and on and on...
The writers tried to please the fans and messed up the flow, same as george lucas and the prequels. Their best move should've been telling the fans to shut the fuck up.
whyv odes it have to matter so much every season have fun its entertaining and has like 1000 episodes to go have faith in Dan Harmon for all his faults he can write the shit out of a show look at community
Honestly, jerry. His character is something disgusting and something deserving of respect. I urge you to find your own opinions on him and share, n if youre interested, ask me why i think this so.
3:40 Ah yes the show that had a bunch of people camping out in line at McDonald's and paying exorbitant prices for a sauce no one actually liked. Culturally significant indeed. Oof.
5:39 I mean the same thing happened that happens with everything, the honeymoon period ends and, some people, remember they can think for themselves and decide that maybe it wasn't the show of the century. Everyone else bandwagons at one end or the other.
11:48 Connecting there being no empirical, scientific reason to care about others and exploiting the goodwill of others is a pretty far stretch. That it wouldn't make a difference whether or not you did exploit the good will of others is bafflingly strange. Generally when you exploit the good will of others they catch on sooner or later and abandon you. Being surrounded with no one, and being surrounded by those you care for is a massive difference.
That aside, I like the honest look into the trouble the show's had on and off the screen.
I know what made people hate rick and morty, Dan Harmon putting his foot in his mouth talking about politics. He should of stayed out of it but he thought he was big enough he couldn't be touched.
What ruined the show for me is that it started to seen like a woke propaganda piece. Simply using the show to not-so-subtley push the political message of the current year, at the expense of its own integrity
"September 2013 saw the end of one of the greatest episodic comedies of all time as Futurama aired its final episode." Okay, but... what great episodic comedy ended that same day?
Honestly I got a sense that Rick and Morty in season 4 was now trying too hard to be Rick and Morty again sort of like when Community was when Dan Harmon was fired. Like I still like the show with Rick and everything now but like others have said the show became popular, it couldn't just simply be what Justin and Dan wanted it to be, the fandom had to clash and interfere with their vision. Or maybe all this change in the show is symbolic for that the show can be whatever, like a hamster or donut shop without consequences being an entire huge reveal commentary on why it doesn't matter you love or hate the show cause it doesn't matter like this comment and everyone else's opinion on it or the anyone's really in any piece of media. But something less depressing and pathetic love this vid EmpLemon, great analysis.
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media dump2021-01-13 02:51:36 (edited 2021-01-13 02:59:26 )
I think you're taking the show too seriously.
"Nothing matters, everybody's gonna die, come watch TV".
Also Solar Opposites works because it's not Rick & Morty.
idk bruh i liked season 3 and didn't notice anything wrong or different about it and upon watching this i don't think id watch it with any different attitude in the future
I personally think that ricks nihilism is because of all that heâs done. He has such a god complex that when bad things happen he often doesnât care at the moment. However, over time he comes to look back on his actions and realizes heâs ruined and destroyed so many peoples lives. He seems to feel guilt for his past actions but canât allow anyone to see him as weak or emotional. So he decides to drink and push others away when his emotional side starts to get too attached.
Wrong. The Sherlock Holmes fandom was a massive cultural phenomenon before TELEPHONES were available. And before that, political parties and religions. They are cut from the same cloth as fandoms.
Writers get added to the shows all the time with no ill consequences. These gendr quotas killed the show and wrote mary sue Rick becasue they lack any real hardships irl and can't relate to problems. They don't want to crunch either.
But EmpLemon can't say that, because he is now a big channel, and if he doesn't suck up to w*men, they will cancel him.
come on man like I want to watch the show and I like it but the fandom just makes it so cancerous that I donât even want to actually say that I like it feels bad good video though has some really good points that I still canât be good but I still can and yet still have flaws good video man donât look at my profile pic I swear to God I canât change it it physically doesnât work fuck YouTube.
And then season 4 came out and was an incoherent, stupid, poorly written mess that amplified everything bad about the show while simultaneously stripping away everything that made it unique and clever.
i just enjoyed the show the only evidence of a bunch of casuals as the fandom was seeing cring tik tok compliations but i mean tik tok ruins everyithyng
Sometimes I think this is just setting me up for a Penn Jillete âSHUT THE FUCK UPâ and a dive bomb descent into a Poop, hasnât happened yet on my 5th watch. Questionable emp
This is "just a theory" but if you listen to the Harmontown podcast (now cancelled by Dan himself) you realize Dan's divorce affected season 3 HEAVILY which is why season 4 is a little better.
I still really like Rick and morty but I almost never talk about it partially because all the cringe that it spawned (the McDonald's sauce craziness and all trash the musicall.y)
Additionally, the season with a strong focus on MeToo and Diane's vietnamese heritage (I think it was 4) was soooo good. It was really one of the few times female (and Migrant) issues, media culture and all that stuff were genuinely well portrayed and it hit me really hard for an animated TV show.
Never admit you like this show.... and also never admit you think it's a low brow, vulgar, terrible show that's only popular because it's an edgy slapstick cartoon.
To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Rick and Morty. The humour is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of theoretical physics most of the jokes will go over a typical viewer's head. There's also Rick's nihilistic outlook, which is deftly woven into his characterisation- his personal philosophy draws heavily from Narodnaya Volya literature, for instance. The fans understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of these jokes, to realise that they're not just funny- they say something deep about LIFE. As a consequence people who dislike Rick & Morty truly ARE idiots- of course they wouldn't appreciate, for instance, the humour in Rick's existential catchphrase "Wubba Lubba Dub Dub," which itself is a cryptic reference to Turgenev's Russian epic Fathers and Sons. I'm smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion as Dan Harmon's genius wit unfolds itself on their television screens. What fools.. how I pity them. đ
And yes, by the way, i DO have a Rick & Morty tattoo. And no, you cannot see it. It's for the ladies' eyes only- and even then they have to demonstrate that they're within 5 IQ points of my own (preferably lower) beforehand. Nothin personnel kid đ
This is very poorly written. Almost too many instances where you speak as if its an objective fact when it can be interpreted in the complete opposite way.
I think the whole purpose of what he does is to provide a different perspective on a subject, but with that being said, those perspectives are unoriginal and bland.
Eh, I think it's perfectly rated. The people who should love it, pretty much do. It's got some unnecessary Family Guy/Office space cringe comedy bits that take it down a notch IMO. Will the story arc end? Who knows? At least we got some damn good songs and a different style of metal lyrics out of it.
hol up, season 4 ended? Huh, the finale felt like just another episode more... there are some episodes in season 3 and season 4 that I really really like and some jokes that I find very funny but yeah season 2 was the peak.
Bro fandoms for a lot of shit suck. I like dragon ball and my hero but a lot of people in their fandoms garbage lol and yea rick and mortys fandom god awful. Im ashamed to show i like it still lol
Considering I just injected the entire 4 seasons into my veins over two days, this perspective on the shifting tone of the series was rather interesting. I didn't quite notice the shift as much but that's probably a consequence of timescale as much as tidbits of the original themes sticking around despite the midway shift, nevertheless I still got the underlying message loud and clear by the end of my ride. Great content as always and great analysis of the core evolution of the show.
I've watched two of your videos now and you blow my mind with your accurate analyses and fair conclusions. You have my subscription and views. Keep up the good work!
I always thought Season 3 didn't feel the same, and I think you really hit the nail on the head: they changed the way they were writing the show. That said, I still think the show's headed in a good direction. I liked Season 4 a lot more than Season 3 (even if the gratuitous pop-culture references get annoying, coming from a character like Rick), and the end of that season has me hopeful for what's coming in Season 5.
This reminds me so much of the transition between Russell T Davies and Steven Moffat in Doctor Who. Davies kept the character relatively âgroundedâ in terms of power level; sure he has a magic time traveling box and multiple lives, but heâs still very fallible and prone to error. Heâs just a guy who happens to have enough smarts and tech to muddle his way through saving people from bad guys. Once Moffat took control, the Doctor became an invincible force of nature charged with saving the entire universe from various threats. At that point, so much of the interest was lost without the relatability (Matt Smith did his best, bless him, but you canât perfectly cover up bad writing with good acting)
I was also in high school watching the show when it first started, the problem is it went mainstream, as much as people knock on "hipster types" you can't argue that the fanbase of shows getting too big can hurt them in the end, one the popularity exploded it was cool know that so many others enjoyed this show I've been watching for awhile, but then it got to a point where it was affecting my enjoyment of the show, like the whole "sauce thing" made me embarrassed to be a fan.
The first two seasons definitely stand on their own. Some of the best tv ever made imo. I did really like S3 as well but I feel like S4 went off the rails a bit. I will still await S5 eagerly and I hope they can get at least some of the magic back. I haven't been so excited for a show like I was after I discovered R&M since I don't know, maybe when Avatar TLA came out? The first two season really are that good.
In my first semester of college, I watched a lot of Adult Swim because I hadn't fully embraced youtube by that point. Rick & Morty looked like a great diversion from all the the Seth McFarlene shows and the promos were really unique. I watched it and I really liked season 1 and then season 2. I was liking it even more than the Venture Bros. By the time season 3 really came around, it did feel different. By the end of it, I was more interested in Ball Masterz, on after Rick & Morty. I haven't watched the 4th season and I might never. It'll still probably be fun, but I can think usually find more interesting things to watch. Maybe it'll draw me back in, but there isn't anything really worth watching on Adult Swim anymore.
The pickle Rick episode was my first Rick and Morty episode and actually got me into the series. Funny how the episode that got me into it is the same that put people offđ
I love rick and morty. I love the science, the philosophical undertones, the characters, all of it.
I even like how they split between serialized episodes and one off episodes like interdementional cable. I feel like it really shows Rick and morty off in a way thatâs special.
Some of the actions in previous episodes have consequences in the future, but then again some episodes have actions that donât matter in the future ones. I think thatâs cool.
I donât know what Iâm trying to say. I just like how some episodes have more consequences then others. Kind of like real life. Some actions in real life have larger and more severe consequences than others.
Iâm a big fan of Rick and morty and I donât despise the newer seasons at all. I like them just the same as the old ones. Because they hold to the same formula. Cool characters, philosophical undertone, and cool sci-fi. They also stick to the winning formula in other ways as well. Some episodes in the newer seasons have actual real consequences, while other episodes are just one offs like the original interdementional cable. To me, the seasons arenât that different. Characters are still developing, some episodes matter, some episodes dont, and there is cool science.
Also, I just want to say something. While at times Rick can seem unstoppable like you said, season 4 makes it very apparent he isnât. Rick actual got beat up several times in season 4 and it just shows as a reminder that despite him seeming unstoppable, he isnât.
I may be going on to long but I really like the show in how it goes about serialized and episodic episodes. And sometimes they throw in serialized aspects into episodic episodes. Does that make sense? Like in interdementional cable, gazorpazorpfield came on and Rick says âhey gazorpazorp, isnât that where the whole sex robot came from? Remember that whole thing?â (Thatâs not word for word but thatâs the gyst), and I think thatâs cool. Adding some world building and serialization into other wise episodic episodes is a nice bonus. Long story short, I like how they have serialized and episodic episodes and I like how they sometimes add serialized undertones to otherwise episodic episodes (if that makes sense lol).
I think people are too hard on the show. If you really sit back and look, the show hasnât changed that much. We still get reminders that Rick isnât unstoppable, we still get cool science concepts, we still get character development, we still get cool world building and story, and we still get cool whacky one off episodes mixed in with serialized episodes with an underlying story.
And thatâs another thing I like. The story of Rick and morty isnât always flat out pointed out or stated, in some episodes the story is an underlying theme that you have to see for yourself and it adds to the greater story as a whole. Just a cool balance between all. Like in the first episode of season 4 at the end rick says âthere is a lesson here but Iâm not gonna figure it outâ. I think that could be a message to the audience that not all the story points are gonna be pointed out, some have to be inferred and figured out on your own.
For example, I think one of the cool character developments and story points is with how Beth learns to not be so subservient to Rick and to not be so afraid of him leaving. This is a theme throughout the whole show I think you forgot to mention. And it hits a sort of climax for Beth in the 4th season. In the very first episode rick grabs morty to go on an adventure and Beth says âdad there is a way we do this nowâ. I just think there are a lot of different individuals stories mixed into a greater story that all the seasons tell nicely.
Point being, the show isnât in a downward spiral. It is still doing all the great things it has been. It might do them a bit differently sometimes, but different isnât bad. Itâs different. Hell the whole show is different from every other show out there.
It would take way to long for me to type out each individual character arc, individual story, and how they each contribute to the greater story as a whole, but the point being is they are still there, even in the later seasons which people seem to hate on. You get my point. The awesomeness in the first two season is still there in the two most recent seasons.
I like Rick and morty. Basically what Iâm trying to say lol.
I feel like people focus on the aspects of the show that indulge nihilistic behavior and miss the fact that the entire show is a cautionary tale for nihilism.
Honestly I thought it was great to think I was the only one who watched Rick and Morty on Adult Swim, a channel that I thought it was so stupid that not even adults would tune in to it, I love the dark humor and references that sometimes goes over my head, it makes me want to dig in more, Rick being an unstoppable force that defies other characters and itâs sci fi themes, its pretty good. I want to know whatâs going to happen to Evil Morty.
Great video; nice to give some credit to predecessors that paved the way like Futurama and Simpsons - but how could you leave out Venture Bros?!? Criminal!
I remember the first time I watched Rick and morty. It was around 2:00AM and I watched the parasite episode while drinking a monster energy. I loved the humor and watched all the way to the end of season 3. I knew season 3 felt off but never could point out why. I wish the family drama and extremely depressing themes that werenât just there for shock value. I also gotta say that the fandom went too far. After the Szechuan sauce indecent I ended up dropping the show. I still have fond memories of the show but I wish it could have lived up to what it tried to set up in season two. Also fandoms can sometimes be cool like the Hazbin hotel fandom bringing the show to such popularity that it got picked up by A24 to have its first season produced.
Maybe it was because I never ever engaged with the fandom and avoided it like the plague, but not only do I think that Rick and Morty was a good show, but I would go so far as to call it a great show. And I absolutely agree that the fandom is absolutely garbage. The whole Szechuan sauce obsession and pickle rick and all of that. But I never really noticed a big "change" in the quality or direction of the show. You make good points about how the fandom changed the show but I never really noticed a change until you pointed it out. And even if there WAS a change, I don't watch the show to look super deep into it trying to get the meaning of life from it, I watch it because I like the characters and the environments and creative the show can be. Things like the vat of acid episode are what (to me) make the show so good. That whole episode was about rick doing something because he wanted to and eventually ended up as him doing something purely because he could or to get his point across. I'm honestly glad less people are watching it because the less people that watch it, the less likely it is that people start raving about how you have to have a high IQ or start worshipping pickle rick. I honestly love the show and season 4 kept delivering. I only hope that the fandom dies off and people forget about all the cringe that surrounded the show so that it just becomes another show I like to watch and not something to be looked down upon.
I feel like the Pickle Rick episode gets a bad rap because of the fandom. I thought it was a really insightful take on the importance of therapy and how important it is for people who may identify as "Ricks." And yeah, it was heavy-handed and condescending and way too on-the-nose, but so is therapy.
A few years ago when the show was at it's all time high, not too long before series 3 came out I was clubbing and some strangers came up to me through the night...as they do with my spikey outfits. Anyway some of them brought up Rick and Morty. I wasn't invested in the show like they were and they would drone on about it. A couple of them literally stopped talking to me because I didn't want to talk about JUST that show...really it was weird. The show is alright and I was happy to talk about it a bit but some people seemed to fall in love with the damned thing.
To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Emplemom. The humor is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of theoretical physics most of the jokes will go over a typical viewer's head. There's also Rick's nihilistic outlook, which is deftly woven into his characterisation - his personal philosophy draws heavily from Narodnaya Volya literature, for instance. The fans understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of these jokes, to realize that they're not just funny- they say something deep about LIFE. As a consequence people who dislike Rick and Morty truly ARE idiots- of course they wouldn't appreciate, for instance, the humour in Rick's existencial catchphrase "Wubba Lubba Dub Dub," which itself is a cryptic reference to Turgenev's Russian epic Fathers and Sons I'm smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion as Dan Harmon's genius unfolds itself on their television screens. What fools... how I pity them. đ And yes by the way, I DO have a Downward spiral tattoo. And no, you cannot see it. It's for the ladies' eyes only- And even they have to demonstrate that they're within 5 IQ points of my own (preferably lower) beforehand.
Can't I just like the show but think nothing of it? Thats how I've felt after watching Rick and Morty. Good show, enjoyed it but moved on quickly. It's just a show, surely it had it's peak but again, nothing can be great forever. I've just enjoyed it but I didn't try to look for deeper meaning.
You know I used to get the downward spiral thing, but now less than a downward spiral its you becoming an actually good commentary channel, since nowhere to go but up. Level headed takes in my view. And about the writers thing, saying its because theyre women is just absolutely wrong, but saying theyre completely unrelated and mandated women who have nothing to do with the series is about right. Maybe theyre not unrelated, I dont know, but from what Ive heard they just dont know what the idea is fully.
And theres a small possibility that maybe being women is the issue due to different social issues and overall behavior, but I dont think thats the cause of the issue at all, its mostly the obligatory gender quota.
I like the show, and will be hyped to see the next episode or season. Maybe buy some merch like a shirt or a figurine or even a poster.
However it ends there, when when I was a huge doctor who fan I wasn't ever deep into the fandom. I enjoy rick and morty like I do my favorite movies. It isn't my life but I do enjoy it. Some episodes I don't like, some I adore, just a show I really like and that's it
Maybe I am just a dumb man. However, I really liked the therapist talk in Rick n Morty. It really opened my eyes to what Rick was, and I think there are many other mysteries left in the show. I don't think that talk ruined everything. I actually had that mind-blowing moment when she talked. I watched it a few times, and I thought about what she was saying for a while. I think it was one of the best scenes because it actually made me think. It turned my brain on.
This video actually made it all make sense for me, why I began to hate what the show had become. It pointed out every single flaw I had with season 3 (except for one thing, I'll get into that later), and even spoke, verbatim, my exact thought process behind it... but I could never figure out exactly what made the series tick up until I finally had the time to watch this video. I was introduced to this show by my sisters, and I watched all of what was available from the first two seasons (S3 was in production at this time). With season 3, I watched its premiere on April 1st, but that was it. Seeing Pickle Rick when that episode premiered made me lose interest in the series. One of my friends that I introduced to Rick & Morty wanted to sit down and watch season 3 with me, and though he could see some of the flaws I saw, he was actually somewhat irritated with how much criticism I had until he began to see everything I was pointing out. Even the ads, for how much of a chuckle they get out of me for how much they seem to be self-aware, are just marketing and consumerism having taken control. I knew that was one of the biggest flaws of the show from S3 forward, alongside the characters not being the same and the show's distinct charm being all but absent, but what made the first two seasons so great was so simple, yet so deep in the background - the show, at its core, was a family drama layered underneath improv, science fiction, and comedy, and seasoned with a little bit of blatant self-awareness. And it took this video to make me realize, and piece together the puzzle of just how it all went wrong.
In other words, this video is incredible. Great job, Lemon.
You make a ton of great points. You are probably right that the fandom has influenced the show, but Rick is the smartest man in the universe. So smart in fact that he knows he's in a show. That's why he is a nilist, that's why he knows nothing matters. He knows to some degree he cant die, he can only be cancelled. When you talk about the family becoming more nilistic that becasue they too are coming to terms with being inside a television show. When you say that they jumped the shark, they didn't, they are burning through all the good ideas to stay alive. Sure they are catering to the fandom, but the fandom is what gives them literal life.
The problem with fandoms is the loud minority usually shapes everyone's opinions on all the people who enjoy that media. Go in depth to just about any "toxic" or "cringe" fandom any usually a majority of the fans are normal people who like said media
I interpret Rick turning into a god as jerry leaving the family lifting a moral âBall and chainâ, rick constantly had to be careful around morty because of what jerry wanted, and Ik that sounds hypocritical since Rick almost kills morty in every episode seasons 1-2, But tbh thatâs the most logical answer for it
I get the dissatisfaction with Rick being unbeatable with body augments in season 3. It isn't that exciting, but I don't actually agree that it breaks his character. After being imprisoned, having Beth divorce Jerry, Morty being traumatized, and Summer becoming more and more like him, I think he's more paranoid now than he's ever been. What Emp said about his character being about realizing his actions have consequences ties into this well; he knows that the action that will have likely THE most devastating consequences would be his death, so now he's doing everything he can to make sure he doesn't loose a fight. This leads to him being overconfident in season 4 when he tries to fight an actual god and is only saved when Morty crashes a ship into the god's brain. Rick knows that now that he's starting to care and take into account future consequences, his death would be more painful to his family than ever.
yet another example of how power structures, hierarchies and consumer cultural memes self-perpetuate. We all want a big, evil baddie to point the finger at, but we're really the ones doing it.
remember: those that idolize rick are missing the point. Just because our lives won't matter millions of years from now that doesn't mean that we can't work to improve the lives of our friends and family in the now. I do my damndest to help my sister raise my Nephew because I care about the two of them deeply, and I want my nephew to have a healthy upbringing that will net him a better adulthood later in life. If someone were to tell me my efforts were a waste and that my nephew wouldn't matter in a million years I'd punch them in the mouth and say 'it may not matter then, but it matters now' and that statement would invalidate their whole sentiment
I felt like something changed in the season3 and couldn't figure out what , well I think you are straight on point , also like yeeaahhh I would be ashamed of being fan of it too
The one thing that sticks out to me from changing is the hype around the third season. Before it was just a build up of two great seasons and with it ending on a cliff hanger everyone was excited to see it back. With April Fools coming around everyone was shocked and ready to watch it all. What went wrong in my opinion is that they kept playing the episode all night long with previews of the upcoming season. You kept hearing schean sauce, kept seeing Pickle Rick, and saw the small shorts of the show.
Ok so I fully get what your saying, but tbh when I rank the series I go 1- season 4 (best season, every episode except Special ricktims morty was fantastic, and I thought the characterization was perfect for everyone) and then season two, Then one, then 3. I just think 3 is pretty average, I donât think the entire last half of the show is low quality
6:42 oh how right you are, but how wrong you put it. The real story behind Rick and Morty is that Rick is Morty and Morty (Citadel) is Rick, so it literally is about their identity.
Mr. Friendship2021-01-21 06:53:34 (edited 2021-02-15 11:45:45 )
That's absolutely true but the difference is that the anti-fans are half right, perhaps that they talk about the negative aspects of the fandom and not the positive ones which they are mistaken it as whole. In my opinion, these "haters" are pretty much aware of the toxic fandoms but I don't want to defend them since both anti-fans and toxic fans are equally worst at their best for these reasons:
- Haters always belittled someone for little to no reason and used their "criticism" to insult your efforts and insult you with no mercy whatsoever. But there are times that they are correct about something went wrong on the Internet, even their points are cynical and mean-spirited.
- Toxic fans are killjoys who ruined pretty much everything. The positive side is having fun and enjoying what they love, while these morons always making an unhealthy obsession of the things they love and acting like a chatterbox. This makes people get irritated and take a full blame on the show which it's wrong but I can't blame them.
Occasionally, the fandoms do damage the show but they aren't aware that they unintentionally destroyed it. If you are a toxic fan who questioned why the show was ruined in the first place, then that's on YOU. If I said "occasionally", then that's the time they went too far.
Remember when Cyberpunk 2077 was delayed by the developers to fix the issues but the fans were so impatient that gave death threats on them just to force them to release? Well, it's basically a huge disappointment because of said issues and the developers got caught into the legal battle with lawsuits. Well, all the glitches in the game are the rewards for being such an impatient moron. You deserved what you get.
I dont think you understand the therapist scene. Sure it blatantly explains the issues, but i don't think thats the part intended for the audience. Firstly because pretty much all of it was easily assumed already, and the scene after is way more important
Beth and Rick both have their flaws spelled out to them directly. No filter. What do they do with that? Nothing. They don't accept those flaws and deny them. I feel that was more what they were getting across.
God I miss the old adult swim, in England itâs now on E4 itâs on at 11 and is mainly rick and Morty re runs, I miss watching the devil swallow a kitten while at 2 in the morning.
Sorry man, I really like your videos, and opinions are opinions, but I gotta say I disagree HARD.
Rick and Morty is a great show, and it got lucky and became mainstream. Sure, there have been some changes through the years as the show goes on, but itâs still a great show. Pickle Rick became so popular because of the commercial, IMO. Itâs still actually a great episode, youâre not really giving it enough credit. Season 3 was the weakest probably, but still had some of my all time favorite episodes in it too. Point being, Rick and Morty has a deal with adult swim, and theyâll be making more episodes for a long time.
ngl when i watched the pickle rick episode, I thought of how before he was at the appointment how awesome he was fucking up those rats and all the cool fighting and stuff, and after he was explained by the therapist, he was boring and just angry and wanted it to end already. Sounds to me like they deliberately put it in to point out how if they actually gave anything away it'd ruin the show through a lack of mystique surrounding those situations.
I mean I could be assuming a bit much, but it's always felt like it's a dig at the audience for wanting something they shouldn't get (the truth and not theories) because it'd be destructive for what they're wanting it for (the show). Rick and Morty works best when it's not tied to the drama, and simply explores it in a way that makes it enjoyable and thoughtful. Too much of an attempt to have "intelligent humour" ruins the joke half the time and I feel the creators knew this.
I honestly had no idea that people turned sour on this show. Is this what happens when non-stoners watch shows best enjoyed stoned and take them far too seriously? It's just a funny show. I get digging deep into art, but I don't think this is really the best show for that. It has insights and deeper meanings, sure, but it's meant to be entertaining, which it is generally. Chill out and enjoy life.
I'm going to keep watching but at 19:19 you're wrong. Susan Sarandon or Dr. Wong (racist name by the way) is incapsulating the obvious through the lens of psychiatry. She not telling the audience anything they don't already know, unless of course you've never sat in on a family therapy session. The brilliance of that particular scene is that the show finally is taking a very hard look at the dysfunction of Beth and Rick even going so far as to foreshadow what would happen in season 4. That's what good writers do. They understand where they're going and why the destination matters as much as the journey. Rick & Morty the show (not the characters) reflect back at us our own human nature.
I promise you: anyone who hates this show hates themselves and only wants to be the most Rick of Ricks. Watch it again, I'm right.
edit: i hate adult swim since their handling of Metalocolypse. I'd been with AS since the beginning and I honestly don't know what happened to them. I assume they became so full of themselves they fancied themselves above their own content, as if they could exist without it. as if THEY are the talent. I'll never watch AS again... I pirate Rick and Morty. Sorry Dan.
hmm interesting take i understood the pickle rick episode in a different way coming from the angle if y take all the family and plot and logic away from rick y see what he really is a smart unstable psychopath that enyoys violence killing and andterror more then anything else if never seen him animated so "happy" or alive as when he just was murdering everything and when the scene with the therapist happend he was like fuck this i love murder and basic instinctive needs and i dont need some deeper reason for it always thought that the therapis thought she had it figurred out with some depper meaning and not realising she had a creature of instinct infront of her as to changing him to a killing machine from that point on i thought he was just applying his sience to murder instad of all the different stuff he did before and so would rationaly get much better at killing stuff anyway was interesting vid wanted to present my way of loking at it and would love to hear some anwsers sorry for the abyssmal spelling i am high on so many painkillers for my back pain atm ^^
EMPLEMON I AM SO DISSAPOINTED, YOU DIDNT USE THE HEAVY CLIP FROM MEET THE MEDIC WHERE HE MOWS DOWN A BILLION SOLDIERS WHILST UBERED THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN A BETTER CLIP FOR "an invincible killing machine"
You realize that Home Movies isn't an Adult Swim original, right? It aired on UPN about two years before it was picked up by Adult Swim. For what it's worth, though, Adult Swim was willing to give it a chance after UPN canned it only 5 episodes in.
> you found a wishbone in your turkey. đŠ > you wished for __ luck. - if you chose the option with the most votes, youâll get the opposite. if you chose the option with the least votes, youâll get the opposite.
I mean The bit about not being a scientific reason to care about family is not really correct. Humans get more done as a social species, being accepted by society lets you make children more easily. even on a strategic level, ricks family helps him in some situations.
I didn't intend that to be mean, I just thought it was way too funny not to say. I like to think people can have a sense of humor about insightful BS about the thing they like
I think you're being way too hard on the newer seasons. The show has become really unique in the sense that it can kind of be a show about anything because of the whole multiverse thing, so the writers have more freedom than probably anyone else in any show besides like black mirror. I've been watching it for a long time so I get why you like the first couple seasons but I don't see season 3 and especially season 4 as a decline for the show. Stuff like the vat if acid episode is some of my favorite content from the whole show
I watched seasons 1 through 3 and I still haven't watched the 4th. Season 3 really was not it for me and the fandom had nothing to do with it. I felt really uncomfortable with the pop culture references and just like you said the family dynamic was absolute ass. The peak of Rick and Morty for me was season 2 finale. Everything serialized that had happened up until that point was concluded in all the right ways; not to mention the fact that they used nine inch nails - hurt, that song was so perfect for it, definitely made me tear up.
I'll always remember R&M as season 1 and 2, I'll forget about season 3 cuz it sucked and I don't care to watch season 4. I'm happy I got a good series with a good ending in those first 2 seasons, the rest is just hype trains, marketing, pseudo-intellectualism, circle-jerking and self defeating.
I already know where R&M took a turn into "garbage"
Season 3.
The first episode was good and how they released it was pretty cool, but then the "Schezwan sauce" meme and "Pickle Rick" happened and it just went into a downward spiral from there.
The thing is those are not really issues within the show itself. The show itself was never garbage. Some episodes are better then others but say all of season 3 is bad is simply not true.
however somethig about the first season 3 felt very different right from the start, like they changed writers and the new ones missed the point of the show, season 3 overall was a huge drop in quality, i dotn know what happened, probably those new writers
I love your videos EmpLemon, but it's common knowledge that science fiction has been absolutely demolishing the shit out of fantasy as a genre in terms of popularity for a very long time, now. Your comparison of the two genres as science fiction being the nerdy virgin compared to Fantasy's "chad" is a little out there.
How many fantasies have achieved mainstream popularity over your life time? Game of Thrones, Harry Potter? How many science fictions? Star Wars, Star Trek, Warhammer 40k, Starship Troopers? The list goes on. In fact, we can even look at Futurama and Disenchantment as a sort of microcosm for the popularity of the two genres.
Max Roderick2020-07-29 08:18:08 (edited 2020-07-29 08:19:32 )
@Calvin_Coolage if I remember my german right the z has to be pronounced "tz", so "tzīt-gīst" I'm also not sure if the s is pronounced as an s or a z, could be "tzīt-gīzt"
@Max Roderick Well according to Google's TTS, it's pronounced the first way you wrote it's pronunciation. Very subtle difference between tz and z pronunciations, but it's there.
"Pickle Rick" is kinda fault of new writers. That Asian writer at Emmys bragged how she self inserted herself as Susan Sarandon character to teach Rick a lesson. Not that it matters because there are lot of enjoyable episodes in that season also like "The Ricklantis Mixup". Now season 4 is just not memorable. They did nothing for 9 episodes. And then stuffed everything(Phoenix Person and Tammy, Beth clone etc) in a single episode. I feel they should have at least separate those 2 stories in 2 episodes.
@Feathers For Orphans In the grand order of things no. I dont think any episode(aside of maybe dragon one and the one Rick literally beats God) is bad. They are just not that memorable. Crystal one was cool and is MEMErable(see what I did there) and Snakes one has that old episodes vibes, but dont really think any of them would be remembered. Dunno if its about less viewers or just quality, but you just dont see anybody singing praises to new season. And that tells a lot.
Lol season 4 is hella memorable for me. The poop episode , the snake episode , glory to glorzo episode, I mean what else do you want ? Do you want more seasons ? Do you want 3? Rick and morty for ever
@John Snow I'll remember the first one(cause it was first), the snake one (cause I hated it so much), toy train (first good episode that season), vat of acid (last good episode) and the last one(cause it was last).
I mean, if you think about it, it's actually very similar. All fandoms have some sort of bias within the community, similar to a religion. They also tend to have their bad apples, no matter what religion/fandom it is.
@SKIAnway His criticism of the modern industrial world still was quite nuanced. I know that he looks like a hobo and blew up a building, but despite all of that he actually did give some nuanced commentary about the modernity. Even if he was kinda insane.
Not really.... nuance can be accompanied with âbombasticâ action but that action doesnât detract from the nuance of the ideology that inspired said action
SpongeBob Squarepants is the only wholesome fandom...err...Aside from the ever fu cking cringey scenes in Spongebob with Spongebob turning into Squidward's psychotic stalker and the terrible episode SquidBob Tentaclepants thus creating the ever equally fu cking creepy SquidBob yaoi fans...
I think we can safely equate that Spongebob episode to the cringe of what became of Pickle Rick.
Bojack is excellent, season 6 and the ending was meh but is one of the best adult animation shows since the simpsons/south park, along with rick and morty season 1 and 2
Still I donât get the reference, like I know of Kendrick Lamarâs M.a.a.d city but I donât get the reference 100%, looked to the comments for an answer and still havenât found one
It's nice to see some thoughtful critique of the show that's not coming from a pretentious hipster, misogynist or just some one who hates it for the sake of being against something popular.
also i just got to the part where he critiques pickle rick and before that he called season two ending the turning point... this dude an very pretentious and possibly a hipster, but i still enjoyed your comment lol.
@Arni Geir becuase he goes thru the whole video assuming everyone feels the same and sort of implies he knows whats going on when really he seems to miss large points of the show.
and as for the hipster part he literally says season one and two where the good ones and that pickle rick (an episode everyone liked) wasnt his cup of tea which is essentially what a hipster would say if you asked them about the show.
i mean i get it he doesnt have to like every episode but alot of this video kinda felt like watching a guy build a house outta straws... kinda entertaining but the end i kinda felt bad for the guy.
@Ivan Ahumada He mostly goes over the reasons the fan base is split and some of the controversial choices the writers make. you can like/dislike any episodes, but it's hard to ignore the split that happened. Disliking newer content isn't inherently hipster, like the last seasons of Game of Thrones, but doing so without one is.
@Arni Geir i guess id rather hear why something good instead of why it sucks.. to me i didnt even notice the split. also im saying its a cliche is all to not like anything but the early stuff. you dont have to whip the game of thrones card out and trigger my ptsd of the last season.
overall it just felt like cherrypicking his reasons which does feel pompous in away. but his style was really enjoyable to watch.... it was like hearing a really good album about why someones parents divorced told through eyes of one of their kids..
but yea if i think of any good points to add i'll let you know
PIckle Rick's therapist was the funniest shit ever. She literally broke down his entire problem as a human being just for him and the family to conclude with a 'fuck you, we prefer our dysfuntional lifestyle' if anything reinforcing the dynamic of their family traits
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Emp please do a video on the history behind YouTube Poops. You would be the perfect guy for the job given your knowledge of it
99 likesHello
5 likesEmpLemon thanks pickle rick. Your my favorite meme.
4 likesRick and Morty murdered my wife
11 likesKeep Pickle Rick!
1 likeThanks dad
26 likesFunniest shit ive ever seen
6 likes@The Shuckmeister hi channel thats a jojo reference
2 likesBURRRP Ha-hair is meaningless Morty, th-there's millions of hairs on your head, Morty, in the grand scheme of things I think BELCH I think fingernails should be considered more important, you only get 10 of those, Morty.
6 likesBetween you and me (and anyone else who reads this comment) i thought the 2nd half of season 4 was insanely funny and really tightly written, I feel that it was sort of meditation for dan harmon and it really showed, I'm extremely interested and eager to see where rick and morty can go from here, loved the video and keep up the great work!
1 like@Liravin there's no spoilers for season 4 just how if feels tonally compared to the earlier seasons but nothing besides that
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0 likesThe Music used 25:31? What it is? It reminds me too much "Laying Silks and Satins on My Heart" by Sanulim
0 likesThat sponsorship segment blindsided me dude. Great analysis but damn, I can't get over how well you put it the ad in there. Never go into marketing you'll ruin a generation of kids into commercialism.
7 likesDoes it work on ball hair
5 likesthat ad read was the funniest shit ever
1 likeI wish the show was more social seems mean spirited to me.
0 likesWhy did you spell Accountability "Account Ability"? It really messes with me
0 likesfuniest shit ive ever heard tbhhh
1 likeSeems like more of a simple rick product
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0 likesBrah, getting Geowizard's music out there. Awesome!
1 likeThank you for your service to the Internet.
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0 likesDid not even notice its an actual sponsor until the link xD
0 likes@ButterLordIII thanks lol but now it doesn't matter because I've watched everything now
0 likesIf I had to applaud one of your critics of season 3, as the best one you made, it would debunking the whole "Season 3 is dark, guyz" meme, which I have seen far too often, used as a defence. It just seems like a talking point everyone accepted, and repeats without thinking about it. Its like children who are asked to descrive god just use the same words which they have been told. Its rather scary, is a weird way that mostly rational adults could all fall for something which is basically brain washing.
0 likesThere will never ever be another president like Franklin Roosevelt.
0 likesCredit to Grant Scarboco for the idea
Emp, why are you selling me hair loss medicine im 15
3 likesstarted balding this year lmao, at 18. this shit better work emp
4 likesThat was a real sponsor?
0 likesI didn't even realize that was a real ad till I saw that link was real.
0 likeswas gonna say, people are more miserable now is because we record it and people feel more comfortable expressing it in this day and age id say
0 likesEMP YOU SAID KEPS @EmpLemon
1 likeSorry to say emplemon but I have great hair and so does my mothers father
0 likesSo you could say "There will never ever be another show like Rick & Morty?"
0 likeshey emp i wish you could make a video about the unabomber what you think about his crimes and his philosophies
0 likesOk
0 likesWhere did you find that Pickle Rick costume?
0 likesSam Hyde on the joe Rogan podcast now!
0 likesI feel like we're in to different universes because like I never really heard anything about how people started hating Rick and Morty as a show and like mass amounts of people not wanting to talk about the show. It's weird like of course they have a few bad episode like most shows (or honestly the worst they can get is "Meh"). And any and all type of fandoms have a toxic side to them no matter how decent that fandom may be. (I mean of course we're going to see more negative things than positive things.)
0 likesWas it really that big of a deal though? I never really felt like it was that big of a deal.
Or maybe I've only been in the good side of the fandom somehow for most to all of the length of it. Lol... I guess it's just a matter of perspective and that's one of the partial reasons why I could disagree with this video. A decent video overall though
@DJKori true you should watch MDE World Peace
0 likesThanks u
0 likesthank you pickle rick, very cool!
0 likes@Gary Oak sam Hyde on the million Dollar Extreme world Peace deal with adult Swim and the government sized it for the Joker movie and get worried when people start killing journalists that's a quote
0 likescongrats on 600k nerd
0 likesWhat witchcraft is this I just got a separate ad for that before the video started
1 like@James Peterson Sam Hyde on the Joe Biden campaign trail in the dark and 3rd of July of the doub era in Chainlink
0 likesIn all seriousness, you've done an amazing job on this video, a lot of your points are valet and I feel like I'm on the same boat as you. I will continue to love Rick and Morty for being just another cartoon to entertain and make me feel happy. Thank you for expressing your personal thoughts on the show, I'm still supporting you after seven years of watching your content, keep up the good work!
0 likesAnd don't worry, I remembered to unsubscribe.
Always has been.
0 likesI just finished the first Dune book and it was incredible and I'm beyond hyped for the movie this year! With Avengers being finished and Star Wars in a burning dumpster (to my great agony) Dune's movie has the potential to enable a resurgence in popularity for one of, if not the most influential, Sci Fi books known to man and see the rise of a new cinematic dynasty!
0 likesCould make for an interesting video đđ
Hey emp not sure if youâre ever going to see this or if you listen to suggestions but how about there will never ever be a game like minecraft this isnt a meme minecraft has been a special thing to me and many other people I remember being ten staying up till 3:am in the blue light of my tv listening to its amazing soundtrack
0 likesseason 4 became cynical but honestly it's a smart idea to figure out who really liked the show for what the animators, and writers WANTED to do not what the fans wanted
0 likesCan you do one on how Looney Tunes were the original dank memes?
0 likes17:53 Bro, I was sitting there chilling to the background music and the way it just perfect synced with the Pickle Rick bit killed me.
0 likesActually, the show is trash now, season 3 was already a noticeable drop in quality but season 4 was just awful.
0 likeswait was this a real sponsor XD
0 likesPlease do a futurama video
0 likeshappy 28th July!
0 likesoh right, it aint the US no one cares about Peru :c
only 4th July, but still, happy I guess :D
"good show"
0 likesgood joke
Can you make a never ever video on ayrton senna
0 likesI can see how the show was influenced by the fandom and that was annoying but saying the show was ruined by it is completely over the top. I still love the show as much as I always have. Of course thatâs just me but seriously just sit back and enjoy the show and stop over analyzing
0 likesI keep my hair with estrogen, but thanks anyways!
0 likesSo this guy named EmpLemon turned himself into a pickle funniest shit I ever seen
0 likesI tought you cut the pickle rick part from an h3h3 video
0 likesYou're such a cool dude man. Top tier historical magician fosho. Keep training kid!
0 likeswait its real i was thinking it was a joke?
0 likesOh yea btw you should be ashamed for liking the show
0 likesI like the show but I wouldn't call it a cultural phenomenon. for me I like shows like harvey birdman , spaceghost coast to coast and athf more than rick and Morty
0 likesNo
0 likesYour channel is on an upward spiral,you sure that spiral didn't make a u-turn or something?
0 likesRick and morty is closer to adventure time than futurama. You are just young
0 likesYou also never covered the main issue with the show. Itâs lazy. All new shows are lazy. Ten episode seasons? The Simpsonâs and futurama did twice that per season. The inconsistent season releases also ruin the show. Itâs not a solid state show and itâs sad.
0 likesEmp youâre from down south?
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0 likesΊ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxYH5CXbpYA
1 likeSeason 5 drops June 20th, 2021.
0 likesTHAT EMPLEMON GUY...
0 likesHE TURNED HIMSELF INTO A PICKLE
Funniest shit ive ever seen
Ever considered doing an episode on Venture Bro's ?, I'm late to the series, but damn does it have some if the best written characters in any animated series, hate that the show got "cancelled"
0 likesEmplemon punishment
0 likesthank you pickle rick
0 likes@// Emerald1229 \\ no itâs not
0 likeswhens the hypothesis of jerry erectile dysfunction
0 likesSeason 5 might be be ok, let's wait and see
0 likesPoo
0 likesbiggest segway to balding creams. :)
0 likestf is m.A.A.d?
1 likeMothers against against drunk?
well, rick got more powerful because he LITERALLY swapped minds with one of the highest ranked ricks in the citadel of ricks. gaining all the body mods, tech, abilities, powers, and skills that that rick had. Imagine if you, a human being, traded bodies with thanos and the completed infinity gauntlet and then killed thanos in your old body. You'd be OP AF too...
0 likesHate saying this but this is a shit take! Love your content bud but the show has always been solid and always will!
0 likesHey guy, me here reminding you silly goose YouTubers to PUT THE SPONSOR AT THE END
0 likesThis kid doesn't remember the 80's and 90's, when Sci-Fi and Fantasy were one in the same, not diametrically opposed world views as he seems to think they are now.
0 likesWhy do you use pickle rick to advertise Rick and Morty when in your video you describe that episode as cheap and jumping the shark?
0 likesno
0 likesYeah, thanks, make me feel even older, Mr. "I used to stay up late to watch Rick and Morty even though I would be tired at school the next day." ;_;
0 likes9 ok pop oo
0 likes9 ok pop o
0 likesI do see what you mean but I still love that show. I'll love it till then end. #rickandmortyforever
0 likesHope u it 1 million subs
0 likesA friend of mine said he dosen't like the new episodes because Rick burps less.
9205 likesSo thats an opinion I guess.
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@Adam Senzai wouldn't be a bad thing.
90 likesI also noticed it! And on the line of the video, I think it has to do with the constant grandiose 'smartest man in the universe' moments, in detriment of the more down to earth weird grandpa moments of the first seasons
382 likesthe characters stutter less in general.
147 likesWhile that doesn't ruin the show for me by any stretch, I did notice that his drunkenness got really toned down after the first season or so. I do think it added to his character and the comedy a bit.
224 likes@The New I agree. It made the character more interesting.
38 likesI noticed that too
5 likesMade me appreciate the show that much more tbh. The burps and stutters struck me as a lazy attempt to pad the episode's run time.
68 likesThe burps were switched out with more smart I know everything rants obviously
56 likesplease refer your friend to total drama series
11 likes@Revoltz22 You must have a really high IQ
29 likesThey removed it because drinking so much alcohol was really bad for Rick's actor
9 likesA quintessential Rick and Morty fan
6 likesThe reason he stopped burping cus the voice over used air blown into is stomach to cus the real burls but after a while he found it to disgusting so he stopped just noticed some one already said the reason so nm
4 likesLmaođđđ I respect it.
0 likes@ignaeon the stuttering really annoyed me, it was too exaggerated
1 likeseason 3 and 4 sucked
2 likesItâs because the VA canât burp as much as before
0 likesi dont watch normie sjw shows
0 likesOh, ok, let me go not exist for a minute, I need it now......
0 likes@Adam Senzai don't forget his catchphrase of season one, birdman said "i'm suffeing etc etc" so i guess Rick is getting better?
0 likesTrue though, I wish he acted the way he did in the pilot
1 likesorry to say but youre friend are have the rong opinion
0 likesIts becuase hes drinking less
0 likesThat is an opinion that exists.
0 likesWhat a time to be alive.
Based
0 likesOn rewatching s1e1 it always annoyed me how he burped every 5 secs
0 likesA strange,but valid opinion
1 likeFair enough
0 likesYeah I noticed that too, I really liked Pilot Rick's crazy scientist drunk gandpa vibe. Not really into his season 3 cool redditor god dude attitude
3 likes@Revoltz22 facts
0 likesIt's a telling reminder that the character is different than he was before. He was always incredibly smart but was handicapped by aimlessness and drunkness brought on by severe depression. All of a sudden, that changes instantly and he becomes superman. Had it happened more gradually with the audiance being shown him using his intellect more pointedly and the reasons for it, much of Emps critic would be null
1 likeI mean justin roiland was probably gonna get a throat problem, but maybe that's just me
1 likeThose burps in season 1 never failed to make me laugh
0 likesprobably happend bc of the whole "smartest man in the universe" shit. like the show creators saw how much the fandom idolized rick and so they played into that by making him the smartest man in the universe because that's easier to idolize. and it's just harder to put someone on a pedastal and use as a front for the brand when they are a drunk that burps all the time. more people would find it repulsive and it would therefor be harder to use rick to attract new fans.
0 likesin the earlier seasons rick was a flawed character and it was pretty clear you weren't supposed to like him. that's why people sympathized with him but nobody truly thought he was "perfect" or a good person. but then something in the fandom clicked and people started to see rick as some sort god instead of the alcoholic old man who left his daughter, is a dick to his family but kinda knows how to do sci-fi shit. now it's like the fandom willingly chooses to ignore that and the show is playing into it.
kinda frustrating tbh
I love the line âSo thatâs an opinion I guessâ
0 likesI mean this Rick is pretty horrible. Season 5 looks promising for now, not really liking Morty though.
0 likesThe burping is kinda irritating
0 likesYEAH DUDE, I actually miss that so much, it was hilarious
0 likes@Adam Senzai are you a time god
0 likesI kinda thought it was because he was living with his family
0 likesUnderstandable opâs friend, have a very nice day!
0 likesBurp rate has gone down 17% đ
0 likesReal talk, it's probably because doing a ton of burp takes was probably hell on roiland, the process for that kind of thing is pretty ridiculous. Maybe hes on a bit less of an alcholic streak and didnt want to do as many
0 likes"You have to have a high IQ to understand the humor in Rick and Morty."
0 likes"Hahaha, funny science man go brrrp"
@Tahseen Khan Apparently those were often improvised, a side effect of drinking in the recording booth. So you're probably right, he's most likely not drinking while recording as often.
0 likes@OtakuUnitedStudio well if memory serves, some were improvised, but the writers did also sometimes write in lines where they wanted roiland to burp, so hed have to do the so called "burp takes" till he got the line right.
0 likesbased
0 likesYour friend is very smart. We should all decide our opinions like that.
0 likesThe therapist scene might be heavy-handed but i feel like it was dan harmon getting sick of the fans who worshipped rick and didn't get the point. And then fans attached themselves to the fucking pickle.
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They get sick of the fans a lot since in every other episode they piss on the audience about some "going back to simple adventures sucks"
31 likeswas a bit of an ode to sopranos i thought as well, i never thought that came off too corny and it was the whole show!
4 likesFunniest shÂĄt Iâve ever seen
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It's all fun and games to worship a fictional nutter like Rick, so long as you get it into your head that if he existed in real life, you reallly, REALLY, shouldn't want to like him.
0 likes@Citizen B lets be honest, they're mostly saying that as pretty average people. this man was literally designed to be unbearable, seeing him get better was probably some of the best you could do with him
0 likesNice to see that they acknowledged the whole "rick using body modifications without any explanation" in Season 5 where Rick outright mentions he'll deus ex machina the fight then gets stripped of all his weapons and body modifications and becomes defensless again.
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Rick definitely still has that aspect of being a near unkillable god so I hope that becomes less of a prominent feature of his character over time. Pointing out that the body modifications were a dumb idea is the first step to improving it
89 likesSure it ways nice but I can only thinkg of so many excuses Rick wont use his script powers in the future, my guess is that writers will just try to gradually forget about it, just like rick came up with these body augmentations out of nowhere aswell lol.
20 likes@Sin With Us Hate to be this guy, but Rick has those body modifications because it's not his original body after the events of the premier to Season 3. Him choosing to keep reintroducing them into his body is weird, but eh, people came to expect it because they seemed pretty cool in the first few occasions he used them. We didn't question the vaguely godlike abilities of his mind, his flying space-car or his portal gun in seasons 1 and 2, so I dunno why you guys got so torn apart by the body mods.
29 likesSure, things got blown way out proportion, but eh, that's a toxic fanbase for you, and because everything has to 150% for toxic fanbases, it meant repeating the same mindless crap over and over until it embarassed us all to the point where it isn't "cool" to like the thing anymore, and only nerds who actually like the subject matter stay on board. It's the same with everything, the internet just made the end results more prevalent and the lifespan of events far shorter - see any and all sports team fanbases anywhere in the world.
@TophatGeo with like 50+ episodes left in the show I wouldnât be surprised if they improve Rick in that time
1 likeYeah, Rick gets heavily nerfed this season (which is a good thing)
4 likes@Valokiloren Yeah, I feel like in many reviews and discussions, about Rick's cybernetic enhancements, people keep forgetting he switched bodies, multiple times.
1 like@AstroZ The real question is, why did the Rick he end up in have so many mods?
0 likes@Mikeureko Never explained, but he was part of a SEAL team for the Citadel, and one of then had a cybernetic eye that was a different color.
0 likesSeason 5 just aired in the uk and I canât lie itâs been one of the best episodes for me in a while
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Yes, it was amazing
75 likesâfeel goodâ
48 likesDo you know where I can watch the episode for free? For some reason it won't let me log into adult swim
16 likes@Adarfrmnn no clue man Iâm just watching it on the Chanel they air it in in the uk
8 likes@Adarfrmnn on the yt adult swim page
29 likes@Adarfrmnn All4 app my g
8 likes@Warney what is that?
1 like@Adarfrmnn They uploaded the first episode for free on their YouTube channel.
5 likes@Duck yeah I was smooth rain for a sec there lol
3 likesMr nimbus was great
1 like@Asser Rehfeld funky bass noise
1 likedude, it was fantastic. one of my favorites
0 likes@JadeSpecter2260 mr nimbus has really big balls
5 likesIt was good, especialy since it put rick in a position he couldn't escape with science, by taking away his gadgeds. He couldn't just deus ex machina the whole plot by being there. I mean, the dude got arrested, by normal police men. Not an evil god, not by an evil version of him, but by normal police men.
16 likes@Toniee B sha sha bada
0 likesit was a good episode until jessica went crazy it's getting so tiring, nothing changes, morty can't get a girlfriend because the characters can't change and man am i not looking foward to the next time where something important happens and in the last second the showrunners go 'ha isn't it funny that this thing that could change the status quo actually went wrong? anyway see you next week for the same punchline with a diferent setup'
8 likesEpisode one made Rick vulnerable again. He was taken by the police, THE POLICE
3 likes@Adarfrmnn it's on YouTube from the official adult swim account
0 likesk.
1 likeYeah episode 3 just recently aired and it might be the best episode ever made
3 likes@ItzNotCaleb yep
0 likesyeah season 5 has been really solid so far. and s5e2 is a 10/10, incredible episode
2 likesthe premiere definitely reinstilled loads of confidence in the show's future and the other two are proving the season to be very good.
0 likes@ItzNotCaleb That's too wild to say im sorry, Morty killed alot of people on that episode alone but when her gf does it it disgusts him, riiiight.*
1 likeYou could argue morty killed in self-defense but I mean come on, maybe only on THIS episode but morty has killed or done worse to so many sentient beings beyond humans I think Its safe to say he's only second because of rick. Not only that but he has seen far far worse being perpetrated right in front of his eyes.
When Planetina or whatever started killing those man Im not saying its unnatural morty had a negative response, but I really thought it would be more of a DONWARD SPIRAL from there, but nope! just one little massacre made in the name of a cause and to rude people (they have commited genociede for literally nothing lol) and that BREAKS morty, It really makes him question wether he loves her or not, not whether its convinient to be with her just waiting for an accident to happen, which would make much more sense.
I could go on and on but it really seemed like they just wanted Beth back in a family role rather than out in the open as she was left, but it was such flawed and out of tone attempt that it really messes up the episode for me, I really liked the other ones tho and even the b-plot was kinda good, Which even some writers think sucks, I mean this whole paragraph is mostly based on the "how it was made" of the episode, If you havent seen it go watch it, It's always interesting to see what the guys who made it think of something you like.
First two episodes are incredible
1 like@Adarfrmnn you can watch in on flixtor! Its a really good website
0 likes@William Thanks!
0 likes@Adarfrmnn all 4
0 likesComments that aged poorly
14 likesla di-da... Not Ep. 4 or 7 though!!
0 likesEpisode 4 is probably the worst one in the entire series for me, but the other 3 were alright. Not sure what to expect going forward.
9 likes@Adarfrmnn wco
0 likes@Adarfrmnn idlix
0 likesI can agree with that, I feel like rick and morty was never bad, seasons 1-2 were great, season 3-4 were ok-meh, season 5 seems to be going back to Great Level
1 likeI hope it will be on netflix soon. And nice profile pic ;)
0 likes@ultimata watch it on idlix for free
0 likes@ultimata was up my guy yeh it will probably be in there after all the episodes air
0 likesIt's a nice season so far, if you take Emp's points into account. The only thing missing is accountability, a ton of stuff happens that goes unpunished or it gets resolved within the episode
0 likesThe last ones really sucked
3 likes@Matt 4 nah show's definitely going downhill. episode 4-7 have been very mid
6 likeswhat? for me, season 5 is a convoluted mess of action sequences and randomly injecting some hardcore wikipedia knowledge, resulting in no meaning.
7 likesAn then the atrocious episode 4 happened...
6 likesSeeing all the replies, I was so scared this was a fight, and was pleasantly surprised.
0 likes@Stroke oh god me too
0 likesUpdate episode 8 is amazing with so much story and we are on hiatus until September
0 likes@Nick Burton Holy shit you're not kidding, that episode was awesome easily the best in this season so far
0 likesand then rickdependance spray attacked , god that was one of the worst rick and morty episodes
1 likeAdd s5e8 to your hype list if you havent seen it yet it ranks among the top rnm episodes and singlehandedly made me mad excited for the hr long finale
0 likesMan, season five is amazing! Better than 3 and 4, or maybe that's because I watched both of those at least 20 times eachđ
0 likesLucky you, it hasnt aired and isnt going to air until late november in Switzerland
0 likes@Simon Lampart well that sucks
1 likeIt drops off hard
0 likes@Leone Maledetto I know it is the worst season
2 likesI disagree the episodes have very fast pacing and feels aimless.
3 likesAnd then it immediately went downhill back to it's S4 overly self-aware bad writing
6 likesseason 5 is garbage, there's hardly a memorable moment
7 likes@Trace McSorley well Iâve got news for you
2 likesSeason 5 has the best and the worst episodes, which is fun)
0 likes@Adarfrmnn Plex
0 likes@Anomalous morty getting a girlfriend isn't growth and she's a pretty boring character anyway
0 likesI love your pfp â„ïž
0 likes20:25 OH MY GOD i just noticed something.
0 likeslooking back at this, after the season 5 finale... it could be possible that we now have a rough date for when rick created the central finite curve.
"somewhere along the way, rick transformed from the flawed scientist into the smartest man in the universe"
"the show only starts calling rick this in season 3"
i wonder if the creators had the curve in mind even back then.
also, they confirmed that the "made up backstory" rick "only used to escape prison" was actually real.
either its a big coincidence, they watched this video - or its just genius.
@Ein they first mentioned it in the fist in ârick-counters with the Rick kindâ when one of the council members said âout of all the ricks in the central finite curve your the malcontent, the rougeâ so actually itâs been a thing since season 1
1 like@Adarfrmnn get utorent idk
0 likesyeah s5 was soo fuxking insane
0 likesimo season 5 was by far the worst yet,
2 likesI think the team watched this video and took it to heart. Season 5 is the best one since Season 2.
0 likesWhut
0 likesShame that with such a promising premiere it ended up being by far the shittest season yet. Completely aimless and unmemorable, extremely strange and borderline fetishist concepts, characters acting far too out of character, certain characters being completely pointless, Rick being ridiculously nerfed, among many more. I'd take the worst of 3 or 4 over most of 5 any day. If season 6 which will probably premiere at the end of this year or early 2022 is just as bad, the show is dead and is relegated to modern Family Guy levels of irrelevance.
0 likesThis aged poorly.
2 likesWhat episode are you talking about?
0 likesSeason 5 is a season not an episode
0 likes@Curtis Warren it's didn't all air at once.
0 likesIâve liked season 5. Sue me
0 likes@Adarfrmnn yo ho yo ho, a pirates life for me!
0 likesThis aged very poorly.
4 likes@angels with molotovs hey nice PFP!
0 likesI disagree. All the episodes from season 5 range from terrible to downright mediocre.
3 likesFirst episode was fire and then it sucks unfortunately. Though I did like episode 3. Last episode was lukewarm. Episode 8 was something that should have been good, but to me, wasnât.
1 likeThis aged well
0 likes@Adarfrmnn Your best bet is to watch reaction compilations on Youtube.
0 likes@Sin With Us my interpretation of Morty and Plantina's relationship coming to an end is, in fact, very much in character. Throughout the show we saw Morty being coerced into violence by Rick, killing so many sentient creatures that he would probably be the second most wanted criminal in the galaxy. Planetina, the nice environmentalist superhero was the antithesis to Rick in Morty's eyes, someone that possesses superior power and uses them for good, directly going against Rick's nihilistic self destructive mentality. Morty got so upset when she used arbitrary violence to justify her means because that's something he was running from, something he didn't need anymore, something he tried to leave behind. That's why he snapped when that illusion shattered, just like how your illusions of a person tend to do when a relationship goes sour.
0 likesI agree that Rick's drastically changed characterization took a turn for the worst in seasons 3 and 4. After watching season 5's lore filled episodes tho, What if it was all planned?(this is just a theory lol) All of those episodes that personified Rick as this godlike entity could've been used as a dramatic setup for season 5's end result; to further explain the central finite curve. Now that we know Rick isn't the strongest man in the universe and is the most vulnerable he's ever been, this sets up the show for more creative writing opportunities. Rick is now put in a situation where he can't runaway from his own problems. It lets us know that Rick's weaknesses never went away, they've just been lurking beyond the central finite curve. I'd like to think that this was the writers' true intentions all along. Could just be wishfull thinking. Regardless, Rick and Morty seems to be at it's peek again. Can't wait to see what they do with Season 6.
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Oh damn i'm not the only one thinking they had it planned. just gonna copypaste the comment i just wrote here
23 likes"20:25 OH MY GOD i just realized something.
looking back at this, after the season 5 finale... it could be possible that around that time, rick created the central finite curve, and they had it all planned.
"somewhere along the way, rick transformed from the flawed scientist into the smartest man in the universe"
"the show only starts calling rick this in season 3"
i wonder if the creators had the curve in mind back then. if so, that redeems the weird writing back then for me.
also, they confirmed that the "made up backstory" rick "only used to escape prison" was actually real.
either its a big coincidence, they watched this video - or its just genius."
Idk I donât think they had it planned the whole time if you look at the behind the scenes of the finale posted on adult swim YouTube channel they said they had to rewatch all the old episodes to plan the finale
14 likesSeason 5 was horrible. Definitely was the lowest for the series and not the peak. Peak was season 2.
6 likesThat's dumb
1 likeIt also seems like from season 3 onwards the characters have been switched out. Yea, they develop but compare the S1 family to the S5 family.
1 likeIts like they are different people.
@Aleta Nook I agree about the peak. But I really liked the Vat of Acid episode, and the story train one is pretty good too.
0 likes@Baccarah Especially Morty. It seems like Rick and Morty are reversing their roles. Like just look at the fake breakup episode. Morty was the one crying, breaking, and trying to get Rick back instead of Rick himself.
0 likes@Mikeureko Most of season 4's episodes didn't do it for me.
0 likesyeah im just done with the show its really on a downward spiral and will keep on getting worse and worse
0 likesIt speaks volumes when 90% of a fandom says they âidentifyâ with a character thatâs nihilistic, self-aggrandizing, self-centered, self-destructive, alcoholic, morally corrupt, selfish, apathetic, and just downright more toxic than venusâs atmosphere...
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And the funny thing is, those fans are more like Jerry irl. They saw Rick and fantasize about being that brash against society and get away with it.
920 likesI never gonna understand that...
44 likes@Nonya Biizwacs glad somebody still remembers moral oral
84 likesYet I unironically think that THAT'S where the show gets its charm: the storytelling and thought processes of the characters themselves.
70 likes@Kos 291 Facts
7 likes@Sasha Czech pls tell meur joking
12 likesthe same can be said for Walter White, Patrick Bateman, Joker, Tyler Durden, Jordan Belfort and literally every mobster from every mafia movie/TV show
67 likes@Kos 291 "And the funny thing is, those fans are more like Jerry irl." and yet if you actually agree with most of ricks themes you still couldn't convince anyone and hear exactly this line as response
13 likes@Idgaf Dude It's baffling how many people think Tony Montana or Tony Soprano were the good guys.
39 likesEmpLemon's wrong on this one. Rick and Morty is pretty bad. Its 'comedy' is terribly pretentious with Dan Harmon and Justin Roiland self inserting their weird fetishes.
34 likes@Anime Reviews With Trip what are you even doing here if you hate the show so much?
19 likes@Sacha Daenens THANK YOU! People love identifying themselves with "cool", edgy, villainous characters regardless of how antithetical they are to them irl. People like Rick because they want to be (or in more deluded cases, think they already are) like Rick. What they fail to realize is just being miserable and having no morals doesn't make you intelligent, or cool. And that no matter how intelligent they may (or may not) actually be, they will never be 1/1000th as smart or innovative as Rick, and thus never actually experience any of the insane adventures that Rick has (obviously). And because of that, they don't actually have the same basis or justification for their nihlistic worldview. They're just emulating him like sheep.
72 likesYeah. He's fucking human, and not trying to play holier-than-thou on the Internet...
5 likesI identify most with Jerry. When I first saw the show I thought he was supposed to be the most reasonable one. (Even though he has flaws)
9 likesThey mean he has relatable and sympathetic traits. Look at Bojack, Walter White, The Grinch.
6 likesSome people may just relate to how flawed he is rather than to how he is an incomparable genius, how simply being 'smart' doesn't explain or even explain his choices, and even how Rick's hatred to materialism and human tendencies provides just that; a very material and human ego. It provides a very flawed, and in essence, human character, albeit very highly exaggerated.
18 likes@Nonya Biizwacs Or neither. You can be a productive, non-toxic person without necesarily having a family.
5 likes@Nonya Biizwacs You're just strawmanning now. When did I say that they were teaching something or that people need them to grow up? I simply defended people saying they could empathise and find characters relatable. I said they gave relatable traits and circumstances. Again, Bojack horseman with growing up when you feel it sucks and it won't get better. Rick with feeling like you can't be tested to the best of your abilities and you just tune out the "mediocrity" you perceive. It's why heaps of smart kids fail at school or just burn out. Walter White is a great example of feeling you wasted your life and want to live in fantasy land. He had an opportunity to solve his cancer in like the fifth episode but didn't take it. Not because if pride but because he wanted to be a drug lord.
6 likes@Nonya Biizwacs Again, learn some reading comprehension. You can't sum up someone just because they find FICTIONAL CHARACTERS relateable.
1 like@Nonya Biizwacs This isn't big brain language. These are words you learn in the seventh grade. Not my fault you were homeless either. You're just trying to insult my character now since you can't argue against my point. Read a book.
6 likes@Nonya Biizwacs Being homeless didn't factor into anything at all either. This is a YouTube comment section argument. If I'm wrong, prove it. Make a valid argument against what I said. I don't have to agree it just has to be valid.
4 likes@Nonya Biizwacs Just insulting me because you're proven wrong doesn't count.
2 likes@Nonya Biizwacs and again, they are not life lessons. That's like saying the fact a character doesn't like ice cream is a life lesson for being able to not like things. These are character traits and story elements that people can understand with basic reading comprehension.
2 likesrick is the only character i know that is like me, i am also a selfish emotionally-apathetic nihilist with no morality.
0 likesthe difference is i am not a genius and also would not have a family (dont want one) and would have upgraded myself endlessly to become a super AI to figure out how to delete all of reality or stop existing.
Really? I always felt like Jerry
3 likesIt also speaks volumes when people assume that 90% of the fandom identify with Rick, thatâs just stupid.
1 likeJust like GTA5 Character Theory: "Anyone who says they're a Trevor are actually a Lazlow."
4 likesReminds me of the people who think a certain character in Persona 4 "had a point". Lol.
2 likesReddit momentum lmao
1 like@Rodrigo People have trouble understanding that a vocal minority isnt actually representative of the overall group. Kinda the main issue with human beings, we have a tendency to categorize people based on a couple of interests/traits/features we learn about them, then draw conclusions about the other 99% of their personality from our views of the group we categorized them into.
4 likesEvolutionarily speaking that shit works, a hyena is pretty much always going to be a real bastard to run into, the last time I ate that berry I shat myself for 2 days, might be a good idea to not eat that berry again. We just have trouble with nuance and not knowing stuff, so our brains happily pretend to know stuff about people instead so we feel better.
Jey Tee
1 likeClassic âeveryoneâs an idiot except for meâ mentality.
@Kos 291 my sister is literally Beth except the higschool pregnecy and she thinks she is Rick but her character doesnt add up
1 likeSacha Daenens the only difference between a Rick and a Jerry is confidence & competence. Aside from that, theyâre basically the same, which probably explains why Rick hates Jerry so damn much.
2 likes@Sacha Daenens and he ruins everything
0 likesNonya Biizwacs Moral Orel was amazing, it was way better written than Rick and Morty. Btw Clay is a great character but heâs a terrible person who you shouldnât identify with
2 likes@andres ltaif mĂŒller me neither
0 likesi think most of those people say they do to say "Im smart like cartoon guy", ignoring the bad parts of rick in favor of being big brain
3 likes@Idgaf Dude Gatekeeping fictional characters lol,so the character ia made to this,but you say i can't identify with a.fictional guy ? Lol
0 likesI enjoy the show quite a bit, Iâm not going to conventions or buying merch, but i enjoy the absurdism and anti-humor.
1 likeI like all the characters except for Jerry, because I can relate to Jerry. I donât enjoy looking at a reflection of my own mediocrity. I often see myself as petty, cowardly, sycophantic, and frequently donât feel in control of my own life. But anyone whoâs worked as an adult has some Jerry in them. Everyone has felt imposter syndrome, everyone has felt lazy, dumb, and petty. I think thatâs part of what makes Rick and Morty a good show, at least the early seasons.
They dont have to identify with all of ricks flaws.
0 likesI identify more with Morty Honeslty. I havenât watched too terribly much of the show, but what Iâve seen I relate more to him.
2 likes@neel reddy Did you mean "doesn't explain or even excuse his choices."?
0 likes@Horpus Corpus i donât think it was the fandom they were trying to protect but rather the show. I am sure you are just trolling anyhow but I donât get how people can be so negative over something so subjective, even the people you initially replied to lol.
0 likesNo it doesn't.
0 likes@Meister Proper spreading the word to save others from watching it. Tbh I don't know how anyone can watch a show written by a guy who has sex with toy babies.
1 like@Anime Reviews With Trip "anime"
0 likeshey dont diss venus like that i know a guy who lives there
2 likes@Meister Proper It's called having an opinion. Maybe don't respond if you don't like them that much.
0 likesExactly. Creators themselves have said Rick is not an idol. Theyâre only Rick on the internet. Theyâre Jerryâs in denial. And ironically, Jerry is about the only one closer to a role model on there. Heâs just a normal guy wanting to live a normal life
0 likesI think people relate to the fact that he is confused about the knowledge he has, he is in a massive existential crisis, Rick is a relatable character when going through your own existential crisis
0 likesIt's what's going to spawn a generation of kids who are underachievering as a result and usally that mindset to identify with will result in substance abuse. This show does not capture the horrors of being an alcoholic, it's romanticized in the show which is often how nihilism views substance abuse. Since the belief is the world is messed up so what's the point will result in being a young adult who's not improving their life and making it far worse, often destroying their bodies which will make it harder to become sober after realizing the destruction you caused.....
1 likePlease don't look at life like this guys. You need a balanced life! Good comment, for an amazing video!!
Rick is a catch all, I reckon.
0 likesFans focus on the bits they like and ignore the bits they don't
@Kos 291 Jerry became a badass in the Universe where Rick took off.
0 likesIdentify or enjoy?
0 likesSince no one else commented it I guess I have to be the grammar nazi.
0 likesVenus'*
There is no need for the extra "s".
People expect way too much from this show. Just watch it if you want, and enjoy it. If you don't, hey that's cool too. Don't. Who cares. In the end, we can ALL agree that the fandom is cancer. Maybe if we all ignore it hard enough, it'll go away someday.
310 likesThe first episode of season 5 is free on youtube. It was really entertaining to watch, imo. I'm excited for the rest of season 5, and whatever else is to come.
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Well you have to realize that a lot of them are kids. Actual children. The show may be for adults, but I can guarantee that a majority of the viewers are kids. Adult Swim is on Cartoon Network. It is like "aspirational programming" makes kids feel like they are mature. I watched family guy and adult swim as a kid
8 likes@Lopiklop you are putting to much faith that adults won't act like kids.
20 likesMy attitude when it comes to shows, music and other media I enjoy (to paraphrase one of the best taglines Iâve ever heard):
0 likesâIf these things arenât your favorite, thatâs great. Itâs just my silly personal opinion, and Iâm biased so take this with a pinch of salt.â
I wouldn't recommend ignoring cancer and hoping it will just go away someday.
0 likes@Renee Oâshea yeah true
0 likesI just hate how when ever I google âPortal Gunâ I get the Rick and Morty one, and not the Portal one Iâm actually looking for.
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I checked for me i find about 60 40 ballence in the portal gun from well portal's favor
10 likesi mean they do have the same name and rick and north is a bit more popular and modern.
7 likes@Sir Perry it doesn't matter what you think it should be. Rick calls it a portal gun so that's what people will search for when looking for it.
18 likesTry searching Portal Gun Portal instead. Might work.
0 likes@Sir Perry I suppose they are still both called portal guns.
0 likesnice unusual, can i have it?
0 likesthats weird. when i googled it the vast majority of results were the portal version.
9 likes@WDYES maybe hes trying to draw it
0 likesAgreed it is sad that it parodies so many great things and then makes these gross fake fans who have nor fun laughing at people who enjoy the real thing over their lame trendy pandering show
0 likesYou're trippin. I looked it up and portal was first and Rick and Morty was second
2 likesI just did and the vast majority was of the Portal gun from portal, like 1 in 5 is from R&M
3 likes@screm north?
0 likesjust exclude pages that contain rick and morty
0 likesI get the Valve Portal Gun
0 likesI already saw this "dysfunctional family" part of the show when I started watching it for a while, I pretty much like and appreciate everything about the show from the silly jokes to the cleverly thought out concepts. I'm a fan of the show itself although I'm not a part of the fandom, I just enjoy the show as is and separate the fandom from it as to not ruin my personal experience.
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the "disfuncional family" lives in a cronenberg-moster world \o/
3 likesMY GOD, I wish Gravity Falls was made for adult swim
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Bro that would have been insane!
46 likesSometimes i think its best for some shows to not end up on adult networks (since they could potentially end up like FG and AD) however GF definitely is a exception because a lot of good potential was held back because of disney
69 likesTbh I thought that for Steven universe too
8 likesSuch a unique cool concept ruined by all the social issues they kept trying to bring up and it being made for kids
@Fallen Phoenix that's kind of the problem with writers, artists, illustrators and animators in general these days. Sometimes it seems to me that 60% of then let politics come before their art. It's really sad because this happens to so many amazingly creative people. I think SU is just a consequence of this problem in art.
19 likes@Fallen Phoenix yup, a part of me is kinda wishing a more mature reboot of SU lol
0 likeseh i kinda disagree, partially because i wouldnât have found it as a kid, but also i think it couldâve been another situation like this one where a show overstays its welcome. itâs perfect the way it is.
3 likes@Birdo itâs almost as if they are expressing their beliefs through artâŠ
8 likesIt would have fit better on Fox in my opinion
1 likeAdventure Time was on adult swim for a while too. I wish it stayed there
0 likes@modernmalls gravity falls ended after 2 seasons on Alex Hirsch's decision. Disney wanted him to make more, but he refused. I don't think it being on Adult Swim would change how the ending and episode amount was done
1 like@PokeMario2401 yeah exactly
0 likesRemember everybody: Nobody likes nihilism. Not even Nietzsche liked nihilism, and he wrote the book on it. In fact, he said humanity should and must find a way to rise above it and find the things in your life worth believing in. Take his advice, don't be a Rick.
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I think you have a different definition of nihilism than Nietzsche.
23 likesWe're talking about the guy that wrote "We must imagine Sisyphus to be happy", right?
@awkwardcultism if you mean the "god is dead" guy, then yes
102 likes@awkwardcultism no its Camus
24 likes@awkwardcultism That is Camus. And Camus said that because Sisyphus didn't have to deal with the existential angst of... existence because he always had something to do. Intrinsically, for Camus life is suffering (it is an existential axiom after all), but you can make the best of it if you take that suffering to be the way for happiness or meaning itself.
134 likesAnd Nietzsche's "god is dead" quote is precisely about what Xylas is talking of. He believed that, having gone past through religion, the modern man would have to deal with horrors. Nietzsche said "What was holiest and mightiest of all that the world has yet owned has bled to death under our knives; who will wipe this blood off us?"
Doesn't sound triumphant to me.
Don't be a *Squidward
13 likesFTFY
And that right there is why BoJack is 100 times more emotionally mature than Rick and Morty. I mean, I like both shows but there's no denying the former is far superior.
38 likesThere is meaning to this world, you give it meaning but thatâs only whatâs important to you not that thereâs anything wrong with that. Existence doesnât have to be pian, life is a gift, donât be so ungrateful to say âI give upâ. Learn to grow and change for the better and improve yourself when you get the chance. The world doesnât revolve around us, things can move on without us and thatâs ok. This planet and itâs nature has billions of creatures and things with their own purpose to keep its world ticking. Just appreciate what you have right now in the moment but also work for a better future. The biggest lie I have ever heard is nothing has a âpurpose or meaningâ.
37 likes@JoeRingo118read Crime and Punishment.
3 likesJoeRingo118 thanks for saying that. Iâm just pointing out the idea of nothing having purpose or value being bs. But your right, personal value is something you give and assign to things, you donât have to be scared to do that.
4 likesLaszlo, the finest mind of his generation thatâs a smart way to look at it, I just donât like the idea of living your whole life with that philosophy.
1 likeRomanticism is da guey
0 likesTaoism is the greatest antidote I have found. If You read a good translation of the Tao Te Ching by Lao Tzu (the founder of Taoism) and not feel changed after, keep reading it, it is simple and percise for the majority of it. I reccomend the Jane English translation. Truly life changing. Its like the swiss army knife of philosophy, just know when to read it literally and when to see it as metaphor and you will get it. Making that distinction is pretty easy with this text too.
9 likes@Safari Atari Aryanism is better tbf
1 like@Piesiege work on your jokes. you can do it
13 likes@Safari Atari I'm not joking
2 likesFalling into the negative side of Nihilism can be a dangerous trap, yes, the universe and life itself are meaningless and pointless in the grand scheme of things, that's something we'll never be able to change or control, and that's exactly why we shouldn't dwell on that thought for too long, accepting life's lack of meaning is the first step towards giving YOUR life meaning, fuck the universe, fuck being a spec of dust in the grand scheme of things, if nothing has value then I'll give it a value myself, life isn't happiness and rainbows 24/7, but it doesn't have to be a dark hole either.
15 likesNegative nihilism and positive nihilism are not the same. Schopenhauer was a negative nihilism, in that the only way he believed the Will could be conquered was through death. At his core, he's pessimistic and longed for death.
4 likesHowever, Nietzsche is a positive nihilist who's philosophy was that no inherent meaning in the universe resulted in letting us create meaning for ourselves.
As jreg put it: DON'T đ CALL đ YOURSELF đ AN đ ANARCHO đ NIHILIST đ IF đ YOU đ BELIEVE đ IN đ ANARCHY đ OR đ NIHILISM đ
0 likes@Laszlo, the finest mind of his generation Does that actually work for you? Or do you just hope it will work but then it doesn't really? Genuine question.
1 likeBecause in reality most people who like nihilism are not actual nihilist, just bored middle class people with actual life and easy access to basic human luxuries. True nihilists don't even give two shit about the world especially some animated TV show for mature audience. Even the true nihilist writer that wrote nihilist stories and actual nihilist irl never become mainstream because his stories are hard to swallow. Meanwhile Nietzche wasn't a true nihilist and even trying to reverse the damage the book caused to public.
9 likes@Laszlo, the finest mind of his generation and this is the best example of people who claimed to be nihilistic but not. Just because you read books about nihilism suddenly you're a nihilist. This is the equivalent of a girl who just returned from 3 months long "spiritual journey" from Italy, India and Bali, and return home thinking she's the best philosopher in the world because she ate some pasta and pizza with fresh ingredients, doing some basic yoga and getting a tan in a beach.
2 likes@JoeRingo118 so if it's all about avoiding nihilism, then why people still claim that they're nihilist as their philosophy when it's not even considered one by Nietzche? If philosophy is based on how people creating value on something does it mean they indeed turning nihilism into a philosophy even when in their life they never a nihilist?
6 likesI bet most people here (including me) never experience true nihilistic moment. Meanwhile people who actually experienced true nihilism very rarely share it to other people or they're dead. All I see are Middle class people bored with their mundane life with easy access to affordable luxuries, like watching a cartoon people think it's the smartest show in the world, weirdly written by average minds.
@CrocTV42 I'm jGreg
0 likes@Kos 291 there's two types of nihilism: existential and universal. I don't remember who proposed the existential, but he said that religion gives meaning to man and it is necessary to him. The universal is Nietzsche's nihilism, as you said, everyone who really experienced is dead or had depression.
2 likesI don't get how people who think that nothing matters don't realise that that attitude also doesn't matter. Harmon almost got it right at 13:10 (the sentiment was there, but he justified it from a utilitarian perspective as opposed to a nihilistic one). If you truly believe that nothing matters, then you should also believe that that belief doesn't matter, and that any "path" you choose is just as valid as that one. It's almost as if they're cherry picking what does and doesn't matter.
6 likesWhat I also don't like is the people who over-correct themselves by rejecting nihilism and embracing xyz. To me, they're no different to the religious zealots (the fundamentalist-christian types) who reject all other ways of thinking and parade theirs as better.
I don't know where I'm going with this and who I heard this from, but there was an academic/philosopher who said that they approached everything with "infinite doubt" which was supposed to mean that they challenged every thought that they had with every possible criticism from logical fallacies to cognitive biases. I don't do this because I cant be fucked familiarising myself with all the logical fallacies and cognitive biases, but what I do do is I accuse myself of being a stinge cunt through accusations like "You're over-correcting yourself", "You only think this because you're [insert any negative trait like selfishness, narcissism, etc]", "You're generalising", and "You only think that because you don't want to admit that you're a bad person" and then rebut those accusations til I get bored. I guess what I'm tryna say is: People should do that.
hweirdo stop calling nietzsche a nihilist
1 like@Jakky Drakki nope. altruism
0 likesRemember: đ NO đ EMPLOYEE đ WANTS TO đ BE A đ SQUIDWARD
4 likes@the Harvard Yard Now, let's look at this world leader.
3 likespans to Hitler
Uptight, high-strung, always angry, pay close attention to the "I really want to take over the world to satisfy the gaping void in my soul" button. These are all the markings of a bad world leader.
If you want to be a good world leader, always remember this handy acronym:
People
Overthrow
Oppressive
Politicians
Don't be like Rick Sanchez. Be yourself. That's how morals work.
4 likes@Xander T the full quote to that shows that it's not something he liked, he wasn't a reddit user
1 like@134Cerky "There is meaning to this world, you give it meaning" ... well in my eyes we are all just a bunch of cells with electric pulses and chemicals floating aorund. family means nothing to me since why should it? just other humans that happen to be realated to me. i know that everything i do, be it sex, eating food, playing games ist just my desire for chemicals in my brain. i wish i could live without social interactions because i know that it's just something our brains are wired to do. there is nothing really special about it. there is nothing special to anything in my life.
2 likesand i tried multiple times to see more... to see that stuff that other people seem to see. is it just my autism, who knows... but it's only about 3000 weeks (about 60 years) at most until this shitshow is finally over, so at least there's that
Chris aka Schulbus Well the way you view the world is based a lot around your mindset. You are lucky to even have eyes or a brain to think with, so what if itâs chemicals and cells? Thatâs just how they work, that doesnât take away from itâs worth. It seems to me that you might be taking all of this for granted. Iâd say your life is special, no one is exactly the same, we can think alike but thatâs not the same thing. Though there are urges or temptations we get from certain experiences we can reject them if we choose and we donât do everything for the soul reason that we feel them.
3 likes@134Cerky "Iâd say your life is special" and if everyone's special... you know the phrase.
2 likesi still don't see the meaning or worth of it all. the reason i'm here is because my parents had sex. and i'm one amongst billions on a sandcorn floating through space. maybe i should be happy to be born at all... thrown into all that shit i had to go through just to be here with no good future outlook.
i really am trying to understand why other humans think and feel like they do, it feels so damn alienating to not understand it.
@Chris aka Schulbus So sorry to get in the middle of all this, but I found your comments fascinating. Does it really matter how you were made into this world? Or, that you're one of many lifeforms within this planet? It seems that you have taken into account the logical idea for human beings but not the emotional idea. Both are equally important to human living (I had to learn that the hard way). Like the commenter who was replying to you before, even if emotion is just chemicals in your brain (something like that), it doesn't mean that the value of emotion loses any of its weight.
3 likesI have one last question for you, if you genuinely do feel sad that you can't understand people, why not make that your meaning? This is a question you don't need to apply to. As long as you have an answer to it is what's important. Whether that answer is negative or positive is up to you.
Sorry again, but this conversation was too good to pass up. To learn, hell, just to theorize what other people think, it's truly the greatest wonder in the world.
@Gabriel Sanchez i am not really sad that i can't understand how other people think and feel... it's just like i said, really alienating.
1 likebut usually i don't make this my biggest problem, since there are many other things that don't go that well right now.
and no, it doesn't matter that much how or why i'm here, it's just hard finding any kind of real meaning to it.
but i actually didn't want to go that much offtopic, it was more about the idea that i see many things i think and feel in rick and morty... it really speaks to many thoughts and opinions i have about this existence.
@Chris aka Schulbus Ah, I understand. Thank you for replying anyways. As I stated before, I personally love talking about mindsets and all that. I enjoy watching Rick and Morty, but there isn't really a whole lot of other philosophies that come through that show (well, too much in depth). Again, thank you for replying, I'm now going to be searching for other interesting conversations I can meddle in.
5 likes@Gabriel Sanchez it's pretty much the core philosophy of the show... of course i do understand what dan harmon said with "knowing that nothing matters, while it might be true, doesn't get you anywhere" or something along those lines.
4 likes"I'm now going to be searching for other interesting conversations I can meddle in."
if you're doing this on youtube it could be hard tho find some, but they do exist ;)
thanks anyway for the input
I just follow the mindset of the God-Emperor myself.
2 likesYeah to add to this. Nietzsche was a v pessimistic philosopher, but he was also staunchly against nihilism, his concept of the ubermensch was partly made to counteract it. As that in itself as a meaning as from him no one has achieved ubermensch yet.
3 likesPersonally I think anyone who leans on nihilism in their beliefs rely on a mute point to stop abstract and logical thought, which is why imo it's usually teenagers who talk about it
@EvanPlaysPc "Personally I think anyone who leans on nihilism in their beliefs rely on a mute point to stop abstract and logical thought" ... but i think it's exactly logic and rational thought that makes me so pessimistic and non-caring. or do i interpret your comment wrong?
2 likes@Chris aka Schulbus nihilism, like every philosophical outlook, comes from rational and abstract thought, you're right there, but to claim that's the only logical conclusion from these mental tools would be false.
3 likesNihilism is a full-stop on growth in theories and logic, by acknowledging nihilism then you just abandon any potential growth around that. Nihilism is a state of inertia that would doom us were we all to embrace it
@EvanPlaysPc "but to claim that's the only logical conclusion from these mental tools would be false." that might be true, yet i still don't see any rational and objective reason to care about or embrace those other philosophies, maybe if i'm generous "we need them because humanity would probably go extinct"
1 like@Chris aka Schulbus apologies, I deleted my first message as I misread your reply.
3 likesImo that response is why nihilism is a dangerous doctrine to believe in philosophy, because unlike other modes of belief, it doesnt grow with your knowledge, instead it corrodes your other beliefs through it's very idea. While i don't agree with nihilism, I do agree to believe that it actively hurts a desire to learn more about the world
EvanPlaysPc I agree, Iâd say thatâs a problem with it. Itâs idea that nothing matters or has any value is discouraging and doesnât really tell you to grow or learn anything.
0 likesNah! Being edgy and pretending not to care about anything is a super valuable trait in society!
3 likes@YourPalHDee it's better than caring about something and then getting disappointed when you realise that it is pointless
2 likes@Chris aka Schulbus No it isn't. Sounds like you've just been sheltered from bad feelings and when you experience them it's overwhelming. Happiness is a pendulum, you will forever move from Happiness to sadness because that is the nature of chaos. All things must have equilibrium.
3 likes@YourPalHDee how do you come to the conclusion that i've been sheltered from bad feelings?
0 likesthe crap has always overpowered the good stuff in my life... all the work, for not even half as much fun.
and i'm wrong because i don't think that there is more to this existence? "why are you right?" would be my question towards you
@Chris aka Schulbus Yeah, but I'm happy. I'm sorry you're unhappy, but you need to try harder.
4 likes@YourPalHDee and where is the proof that it is worth it? i could try to work, but i know that i will get depressed after two weeks.
0 likesyou're probably one of those guys who just tell everyone who is depressed or in another shitty situation that they just have to "try harder"
@Chris aka Schulbus humanity still existing is the proof. I dunno what you mean by "one of those guys" I'm just telling you my opinion it hope to help. I can tell you from my own experiences of depression and hopelessness, the ONLY alternative to suicide is to keep trying. There's no other options and suicide is utterly pointless. If religions are to be believed then suicide is a sin and you will go to hell, if you don't believe in an afterlife, then you are cutting short your single opportunity of existing as conscious life for eternity of non-existence. Life is almost impossible, you've beaten the odds and you somehow get to exist as a living, breathing, conscious being, you should respect that and try to make it matter as much as possible. Life for most is an endless pursuit of meaning, but even if we never find that meaning, in the pursuit we find purpose.
4 likes@YourPalHDee maybe i'm too rational for "in the pursuit we find purpose."... is this the same kind of thinking like "it's about the journey"?
0 likesand no, suicide and keep trying are not the only options, the third one is just accepting it. i only have at most 3000 weeks (about 60 years) and then this is finally over, there is no need for suicide or keep trying.
maybe i can at some point live life like other people, no matter how irrational and unimportant it is.
@Z1LL4 JR when did i say that it was the worlds fault? the world just is what it is... but i see you are a person of high intellect the way you approach this subject.
0 likesif i didn't add anything to the discussion, you actually subtracted something from it.
thank you for your meaningful input, anything else you wanna share? ^^
@Z1LL4 JR So you're gonna immediately turn to mockery and insults to try proving a point, but insist that other people are acting like children? Seems a bit hypocritical, no?
0 likes@ĐČĐ°Đ»Đ”ĐœĐŸĐș I don't think we need to go that far quite yet.
0 likesEven if we did, I don't think neutrino bombs are ready. We'll have to delay that plan until they're done. /j
Watching this now after the first 3 episodes of Season 5, I think theyâre getting back on track. Focusing more on the family and Rick seeming less like a god. I think they need to input more direction on story / consequences but overall they are doing better than both season 3 & 4.
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can i just jump into season 5 from s2? I tried to watch s3 and some bits of 4 but i just couldn't bear it. Do i need to follow some plot or just get right into the new eps?
6 likes@Raymundo GonzĂĄlez i think you can. You can watch some important and good episodes like Rick Citadel, but it is not necessaliry
1 like@Raymundo GonzĂĄlez You should probably watch the first episode of season 3 and the âricklantisâ episode. Those 2 are important. Maybe the season 3 finale too (the episode kinda sucks) but it sets up the season 4 finale. And speaking of season 4, the finale is basically the only episode that matters to the story. Thereâs some episodes that are enjoyable but not story important.
8 likesIâm here after the 4th episode of season 5, basically the sperm episode, and Iâm so disappointed honestly. I know they can do better than 22 minutes of sperm and incest jokes. So dissatisfying.
10 likes@Vape Lord Yoda true. And do you know about 7 episode leak?
0 likes@ĐĐ°ŃĐŒĐ”Đœ ĐĐ°ĐłŃŃĐ°ŃĐŸĐČ No I donât, whatâs that?
2 likes@Vape Lord Yoda yeah the creators even said that they honestly didnât like the episode
0 likes@Vape Lord Yoda Canadian online cinematheatre showed 7th episode instead of 4th. And the episode is one big parody of power rangers with this giant robots from separate smaller robots. But it roboferrets, idk why, but it is
1 like@Raymundo GonzĂĄlez Just look at the ratings. Watch the highest rated episodes from 3/4.
0 likesEpisode 4 was horrible..
1 likeThatâs good.
0 likesand then episode 4 and 5 came out
1 likeUpdate for episode 5: Going downhill, very mediocre. I just donât know whatâs wrong with them. Just a unremarkable episode I will never care to rewatch again.
0 likesUpdated: Episode 6 was another mediocre episode. Probably a bit better than last 2 but still unremarkable.
0 likes@Vape Lord Yoda I liked episode 6, 4 and 5 were weird though
1 likeRick and Morty season 5 has quickly became my least favorite season yet. Last episode was bland it felt like watching modern family guy.
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1 like@Luis Castro Yes you are right lol they really mislead me with the first episode. 70% of the season felt so lazy and didnât feel like Rick and Morty.
2 likes@Let's Progress what happened?
0 likes@Raymundo GonzĂĄlez Please do yourself a favor and at least watch the Ricklantis Mixup. It's actually incredibly well done and totally stands out from the rest of Season 3 and 4.
0 likesThe fact "wubba lubba dub dub" means "I am in great pain, please help me" manages to capture all of the shows greatest strengths and weaknesses simultaneously.
47 likesGiven how season five is almost a straight rebuttal to the shift of season 3, I look forward to seeing your thoughts as the show continues
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And almost completely killed the show in the process. I'm not sure how they are going to pull it back from the gravitational singularity that is the incest baby.
15 likes@CryoraptorA303TM honestly? I forgot it even happened until the ferret episode. And I assumed they were ripping on themselves by making a new pickle Rick. Thatâs how I interpreted it anyway
0 likesSeason 5 was a disaster
3 likes@Kebab kebob
7 likesNope, of course it was not a " disaster "
for me, it was one of the best seasons of all since the third one.
The jokes are amazing, the themes and parodies... it was a phenomenal season! = )
@Kebab kebob
6 likesIts just a opinion man, relax = )
@Caio Vasconcelos Lara They kinda lost the plot but i rly liked the last episode...except for the crow shit that was so useless
2 likesTo be fair, as cringe the memes are, I absolutely LOVED pickle rick, it's the embodiment of what I would come up with in my dreams as a teenager, I think the Dr. Wong scene was very bold, the criticism 100% valid but I think the sheer suddeness of it being LITERALLY portraided boldly and exactly how it is was quite funny and interesting, and to them then awkwardly just disregarding it in the car to me ressembled how people disregard psychology as a science in general. I think it does not get enough credit.
16 likesto this day i still dont understand how The Boondocks wasnt more loved and viewed, it had great characters, really funny comedy, and extremly good political commentary that made fun and critized basically everyone, just like south park does
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Do you really want to have the same fate happened to The Boondocks? On top of that a lot of those type of people who want to be trendy miss the actual point of The Boondocks cartoon series and the comics.
747 likessouth park has aged well and its fantastic
574 likeson god, i heard about a remake but uhh radio silence on that :(
45 likesThe Boondocks had an issue of audiences seeing it as "that black show", if you're in a room of mixed races and bring up the Boondocks, it's really obvious to see who watched it and who didn't
765 likes@JERACERX it's also hard to spread memes or say quotes out loud because people will crucify you for saying "nigga".
560 likesHonestly the way Emp described Rick's relation to the fandom really reminded me of all the pseudorevolutionists who look to Huey. Huey is similar in the fact that he is thematically the "straight man" in the show while not really being a "straight man" himself. And with the general climate and reaction to criticism of any aspect of black culture nowadays, I'm really worried about how the new reboot is gonna turn out
325 likesFax
3 likesAgreed.
0 likesanyway you figure
11 likesthe president's a ---
@Majin Melon :(
33 likesThe Boondocks didn't have the same widespread appeal as something like Rick and Morty. Mainly it's because The Boondocks deals heavily with a lot of cultural and political issues while leaning pretty far left, which I and many others enjoy and admire about The Boondocks, but it doesn't appeal to as large of an audience as the merchandising gold mine of stoners and reddit users that Rick and Morty struck a huge chord with. The anime art style also appealed to a more niche audience around the time The Boondocks was airing. Rick and Morty is arguably the Adult Swim show with the most marketable art style.
226 likes@Tiger Festivals "The Boondocks wasn't popular because I can't say nigga" some pretty low IQ analysis tbh.
274 likes@Deadliest Vice still funny episodes, i dont even see the problem with the wii or apple ipad episodes, those are things that existed after all
12 likes@Majin Melon everyone can tell your 12 leave this thread
41 likes@Bryan Conrad Learn to read. I said "also", meaning, thats definitely a possible contributing factor but not the only reason. And as usual, those who are first to call someone else "low IQ" prove themeselves to be the ones with low IQ themselves.
51 likes@Tiger Festivals i think youre severely overestimating how much of "contributing" factor having the n word in quotes would be, in fact i think it made it more popular
75 likes@Majin Melon yikes
32 likes@William Shaughnessy The fact that the Boondocks was always very left leaning is enough of a reason for it not to do well. Trump won for a reason. Same reason he's going to win again.
38 likes@Bryan Conrad considering the current climate of the internet, The boondocks will most likely be the world's most controversial show just for saying nigga a bunch of time
49 likes@Deadliest Vice Watching South Park after season 10 is the funniest shit cause a lot of those episodes have not aged well at all. There's an episode that focuses on 2006-2008 memes
34 likesMajin Melon Horrible take
8 likesGod, I love The Boondocks.
20 likesBoondocks is such an underrated show. I love its clever commentary on politics and society. Ruckus is always my favorite character.
58 likesIt was too deep for alot of people
7 likes@Greg Castetter People have got to be less sensitive.
26 likesMajin Melon hot take đ€Żđ€Żđ€Żđ€Żđ€Żđ€Żđ€Żđ€Żđ€Żđ€Żđ€Żđ€Ż
3 likesYeah, I held onto South Park for as long as I could. The episode where they first did Caitlyn Jenner was so uncomfortable.
11 likesBut really, looking back on the older episodes, they're just as terrible when they were attempting commentary.
South Park did a whole episode about how global warming was a myth.
13 likesbocodamondo
59 likesIt really didnât make fun of everyone.
Huey generally portrayed Huey as being the best at everything. He was very often proven correct about most things he said, and is rarely called out for things he did.
The show also goes through extreme seasonal rot, just like Rick and Morty did.
For a good example, go and watch the episode where Tom is first introduced. The show portrays the people criticizing Tom for having a white wife, as being in the wrong, and shows that at the end of the day, Tom has a happy life with a loving family.
The next season, the show acts like Tom is stupid to have ever even married her, as it heavily implies that she cheated on him with Obama.
The show completely changes all of its stances on Tom after his first episode.
I get it, Tom is meant to be the other side of âUncle Tomâ to Uncle Ruckus, but the show in season 2 forward, treats him like he deserves to be punished, for living his life how he wants, even though heâs hurting no one.
There are just a lot of issues the show has after season 1. Season 4 is just when all the issues finally crystallize, and come to the forefront.
I really love season 1. And itâs sad that after season 1, the show stopped caring about having genuine conversations, and started focusing more on episodes solely about pop culture parodies, and fight scenes.
William Shaughnessy The problem for the show was that it leaned left yet maintained black culture and ripped on a lot of people on the left, people on the left typically arenât edgy and are snowflakes to put it bluntly, so saying words like âniggaâ isnât going to go well with that audience, and it isnât going to go well with the more right wing edgy audience that watches adult swim because it is left leaning, the show died because it doesnât have a niche as a political and social show.
57 likesUncle ruckus was OP
14 likes@Nikki Lee If I recall, it was meant to be satire of people denying global warming
9 likesyea but the fandom is as toxic R&M
1 like@Kyrem 12 I got called racist once for liking the Boondocks as a tiny white girl but bro. It's made by a black guy. Let him have creative freedom. If you would let them scream the n word in Blazing Saddles, then why not The Boondocks.
35 likes@Barlakopofai ya season 4 is the worst
7 likesyeeessss
0 likes@Deadliest Vice I agree for a lot of that, but the Wii episode is better now than it was when it aired
0 likesThese are the types of people who donât get it
1 likeDon't mention South Park and Boondocks in the same sentence
11 likesboondocks is 100 times better then any episode of the boring sci-fi pop culture reference garbage that is rick and morty. Waaaaaaay better animated too. Rick and Morty doesn't have any really deep messages about life, politics, race. It never makes you really think unless your a 15 year old who thinks that "Whoa dude were all just like dust and nothing matters" is incredible commentary on human existence.
23 likes@William Shaughnessy man I never liked any anime art or show but the Boondocks combination of that art with everything else grabbed me and never let go. I really miss that show, only one I ever sat down to watch episode premieres of.
4 likes@Barlakopofai you might not, but I do.
0 likesthe government
0 likes@TheUnholyOne the statistics and mass protests say otherwise.
8 likessociety wasnt ready for it
3 likesboondocks doesn't make poop jokes, that's why.
6 likes>black people good
18 likes>white people bad
yeah great "commentary" you got there
@Deadliest Vice im glad someone else is mentioning this. Im not afraid to admit i laugh hard at the new south park seasons when they're new, im not exactly a comedy conaisseur. Its great to see someone take a piss out of the current bs going on around you. But rewatching them even a year out of their original release, they feel weird dated and irrelevant. I can only imagine how confused someone will be watching them 10 years down the line. South Park's new seasons just arent gonna age well but i dont think the writers really care. It isnt zombified like simpsons but its really not gonna have much of an impact in the future.
10 likesSouth Park is outdated contrarian garbage, can you not compare it to The Boondocks which had actual effort put into it
10 likes@soundofspace did you watch the show? aaron ripping on black culture and stereotypes was a theme on every episode.
58 likesYou just added a sieries to my "have to watch list" thank you
1 like@Greg Castetter nah, I've had a couple people shoot me the eye for saying "nigga", even if they're also black
1 like@soundofspace did you watch "Nigga Moment"? How about the episode where MLK came back to life? A lot of these episodes put fault in the black people themselves as having a damaging, antisocial, and flawed culture
45 likesThe Boondocks is a dangerous show. Its a comedy, and that is why it is dangerous. If one watches it without the correct life experience/perspective or without the correct mindset going in to it they can retrieve extremely wrong, problematic messages from the show. Imagine if you got someone like Ben Shapiro to watch the Boondocks, it would just confirm all of the surface level biases that he has about the black community in the first place without causing him to feel compelled to have any reflective thoughts at all, remaining completely ignorant of the shows greater themes and messages because the nuance within most of the jokes is completely lost on someone who has been raised outside of the black community. I'm black and I'm happy I've seen the Boondocks and wish more black people would watch it. But other races and people of different life experience have the increased burden of really educating themselves before or while they are watching it to avoid falling into the the trap of bias confirmation.
59 likesit doesnt havecenough bright colors to encapsulate us mature adults
5 likesActaully Boondocks is a great comparison to Rick and Morty. Both shows are cleverly written, with the main characters being satirical view of social issues.
37 likesRiley written was a impressionable young kid, who was suppose to represent the self destructive nature gangster culture can cause on youth who want to mimic gangster behaviour. There are people who unironically follow the ideas of Riley, the same way people claim to be "just like Rick"
@Nikki Lee ...and then made another episode apologizing for it.
1 like@D yeeeahhhh.... You don't watch it.
2 likesBest thing tho? The show is returning with the original creators and writers behind the wheel. It is a show that is desperately needed in today's extremely toxic political discourse
8 likesI still gotta get around to watching Boondocks
1 like@kingdomatthi Where did you get this from?
7 likesIt was loved and viewed. That is why it is coming back. It only went because the creator, Aaron, left. The last series had nothing to do with him and it showed.
1 likeStop trying to be a hipster. It is really dumb.
And it didn't critisize everyone. At times it was a little preachy and needed more humility. It also couldve done with talking more about toxic culture within African American society... Such as the massive hoomophobia and transphobia. They attacked R Kelly but not Snoop ... Which is funny given snoops twitter and insta rants about gays, trans people and female rappers. Calling one a dyke.
South Park is actually more like modern day fables. Ever hear of a dude named Aesop? Now the dude created all these fables, or compiled them. You will have heard of some of them... Like the boy whom cried wolf. South Park is the same... Boondocks isn't. Boondocks is racially centered. South Park is human centered. It tackles way way way way more issues than Boondocks. When has boondocks challenged the catholic church about confession and communion? When has boondocks attacked social media and trolls? When has boondocks mocked the UK royal family? When has boondocks talked about transgender people? When has it used pets to preach acceptance of homosexual people?
Honestly you have to be an idiot to think the two are anywwhere near the same. That is like saying "oh yeah, wine gums are just like polish vodka" or like saying "yeah Hot Wheels are just as fast as a McClarren p1"
Idiot.
I liked it growing up but from what I recall season 4 went a downhill route. Either way the creator is a smart dude.
4 likes@Nick Armitt How are black people scaried of trans people?
4 likesDidn't the writer leave and it got taken over by mediocre team after? Never bothered sticking with s3 and 4, seemed like it lost something along the way
2 likesChris Chan is a fan of this show lol
5 likesits always annoying to see these enlightened centrists, even anti-leftists praise the boondocks as a show that "criticizes everyone", when people seem to entirely forget that the show's criticism are through the lens of a leftist worldview which makes perfect sense given mcgruder's politics.
20 likesMajin Melon this
1 likeLinda Thompson ^
0 likesQuality NamingSystem a lot, but not all. Thatâs the problem
1 likeshizz did you just write the boondockâs equivalent of âto be fair you have to have a very high IQ to understand Rick and Mortyâ?
12 likesNick Armitt did you just use the word âtransphobiaâ unironically? See this is why even if I cared about boondocks I wouldnât want it to come back lol
5 likesWas way better than anything south park made
3 likesThe boondocks was "too black" at the time for mass appeal. There probably wasn't a hard enough push from marketers to make it more popular because it was "that black show", it was produced for a smaller platform and was probably rejected from fox for being "that black show", and it is still known by most people as "that black show". And most people just weren't interested as a result. That's the problem.
18 likesAnd yeh, the N word was not a problem, lol. I think the "N word" could be seen as, if anything, representing the main "problem" which was the blackness of the show.
@Nikki Lee If South Park makes you uncomfortable then you're a weak person.
5 likes@TheUnholyOne that show made Obama look like a fool all the time this is how i know you guys never watched the show
4 likesthat show is meh, i feel the same about bob burgers: why everybody loves that show that is a a 20 years too late simpsons unfunny rip off is beyond me
4 likesArtstyle and aesthetics + not easily quotable when a lot of the words would get you crucified on social media lol
8 likesTheUnholyOne but trump didnt won the popular vote
1 like@Corrupted boondocks was aired before social media became a big thing.
6 likes@shizz I was quite skeptical when I started reading your comment but you really made an excellent point. For example, I've seen so many ppl claiming Ruckus as "the best character"? Like sure, he does have great (tho problematic) quotes. But as funny and ridiculous he can be, as a black person I have hard time seeing how you can genuinely think of him as such a good character (let alone better than most) when he often add so little to the story and has absolutely no character arc whatsorver. He's just the embodiement of every incel alt right troll out there. But at least as a black person you'll have the percepective and "life experience" required to take a step back and see the bigger picture in his saying.
15 likesHowever if as a white person the best thing you took out of this show is the only black character that think like a white supremacist... then I feel like there's good chance ur watching it for the wrong reasons.
It wasn't the right time for a show like that if that show came out today it would have a huge following
1 likeIt wasnât as heavy on pop culture and it never hit the super mainstream like rick and morty
1 like@Drippee Boye fax
1 likeWell let me ask you this paradox box would you rather be biased towards the other side, or make fun of both sides?
1 likeIt was better than south park in my opinion, until season 4
0 likes@Maya agreed. Now they don't even have characters or plots, every new episode is just a thinly-veiled complaint about something.
0 likesDOUBLE O Thomas
1 likeThey were things that existed and make fun of stuff that was around them. I don't really see a problem with that, they're still funny
darko1295
0 likesEdgy
Maybe it being a critique of black culture had something to do with it ? That conversation is very taboo in modern western society.
13 likes"He turned himself Chinese, man! China Ruckus! Funniest shit Iâve ever seen."
2 likes@shizz Right, don't want people to commit wrongthink.
2 likes@Energetic Yellow There's no such thing as wrongthink. There is, however, the reality of having a flawed outlook/thought process. My comment simply pointed out that in order to understand the artistic intentions behind the boondocks and what those artistic qualities reflect in the real world, one should try to understand the community which it refers to. Understand, the good, the bad, and the ugly as the show so beautifully exemplifies. If you saw my comment as trying to play the role of thought-police then you are mistaken my friend.
6 likesventure bros is pretty underrated too
4 likes@Tiger Festivals
1 likeI mean you just gotta know your audience. I had some really lax black friends that didn't have an issue with me quoting Stinkmeaner, and with other people I don't know as well, it's not hard to quote around the n words, or other lines that didn't have any. It wasnt just non-stop n-words
Boondocks has to be one of the funniest shows ever, but since McGruder left it wasn't the same in season 4. And even now that grandad died in real life (I forget the actors name) there's no chance of a revival, which is sad because these past couple of years would have been great material to base the show on.
2 likesCould you imagine Uncle ruckus with Trump, shit would be legendary
I thought you were gurularry for a moment
0 likes@HueyDavisX My understanding from white viewers liking Ruckus is they know he's an obvious "Uncle Tom" and that allows non black viewer to laugh at him without feeling bad about it.
13 likesHe's a completely one-dimensional character with absolutely no controversy for any audience member. They don't need to think about him. He's "just an Uncle Tom" and "not really black."
Nevermind the irony of that whole statement and how the accusation of "Uncle Tom " is a pretty self-destructive shut-down, that doesn't matter. Non-black viewers don't need to consider their own prejudices, or the flaws of the black community when they see Uncle Ruckus.
Another I noticed when Boondocks comes up is most people who aren't black don't just see it as "That black show" but also as some sort homework style social obligation. This is especially true among white liberals.
"If you don't watch Boondocks you're racist and don't appreciate black humor."
So they watch it as "assigned social homework" and take away Uncle Ruckus from it because he's the easiest part of the assignment to pay attention to.
The Boondocks is pretty popular.
1 like@Tiger Festivals Boondocks is the only animated drama I know that had and used the n word pass to the full extent. Tbh watching it as a young teens I loved the show but holy fuck did I not internally cringe because of that being basic white weeb boi. Still looking back I really appreciate that show and what it set out to do.
1 like@FBadge yeah i had one specific black friend in college who was also a fan who didn't mind me quoting it, but it's not something i could just quote around anyone lol. I would still reccomend the show to people since i think it's genuinely funny and well made for the most part. Edit: and yeah its not hard to quote around it, but many of the funny quotes include it so you have to pick and choose.
2 likesIt was because it told the ugly truth
0 likes@alfa01spotivo no
0 likes@literallyGLaDOS yes
0 likesBecause after Aaron Macgruder left, it was soulless
1 like@Ultra Zeptimus did you have to be a muppet to understand Sesame Street? Get it yet?
8 likes@Ultra Zeptimus stop trying then, and just watch it like a regular show
2 likes@ZXp3ct3R South Park and Boondocks.
2 likes@shizz very well said, its almost too many levels of reference above the amount that most folk who arent black are likely to engage with / understand and if you just watched it at surface level you'd miss out a lot of the sarcastic / ironic points
1 likeIt was too controversial, and too political. It made fun of people you aren't allowed to make fun of. I don't agree with everything it said but I still appreciate what it had to say, but it's fucked that they're censoring it now.
2 likesBoondocks is top 2 shows ever. Not even shitting. Literally the greatest cartoon for generations to come
1 like@Bryan Conrad yup, you're definitely a Rick and Morty fanđ
0 likesIt was too ahead of it's time for the societal context that it presented.
1 like@QuickShot I think it mostly appeals to the edgy left or "dirtbag", those that are left socially and economically but who dislike idpol as it is commonly used on Twitter and so forth. An example of someone who embodies that idea would be Vaush. There is a divide opening up between those who like the idpol/cancel culture stuff and those who don't even if they have basically the same political beliefs.
3 likesBlack anime Zeitgeist is a Gen Z thing not cross generational lol
0 likes@TheUnholyOne The Shows political leanings really doesnt have much to do with it, its really just the subject matter
2 likes@Double thoes are the best
0 likes@Tiger Festivals Ironically, Boondocks had one of the earliest memes with "Bitches love..."
2 likesLol
0 likesThe Boondocks wasn't more loved and viewed because Season 4 happened. Should've stopped at season 3. Every show has a peak and a consistency, and then that period where it drops off permanently without ever reaching that overall consistently good level ever again. Happened with the Simpsons after season 7 (when it peaked, it lowered slowly after that; debatable when it became overall bad, but many say season 9 and onwards). Happened with Family Guy after season 5 or so. Happened with South Park in the season prior to the Hillary/Trump season. And it happened to Rick & Morty after season 2. Season 3 was worse than the first 2, and season 4 was even worse than that. It's not going to recover, because no show in history has ever recovered from a 2 season lapse that severe, especially if they're animated. This isn't one that has any signs for being the exception.
2 likes@Tiger Festivals
6 likes>It's hard to spread memes that say the n word
4chan and gen z: challenge accepted
I always wanted to watch the show but it was on at times I was at work or whatever, they put it at a bad timeslot in my opinion
0 likestrue and a weird fact is that the boondocks got pitched to fox originally and fox liked it but turned it down
1 like@TheUnholyOne he didnât win hahahahaha
6 likes@Killing Me Will Not Bring Back Your Apples too black? Oh brother
0 likes@DriftNinja_ Yeah, the show wouldn't be the same without John Witherspoon playing Granddad.
0 likes@Double especially the two part go god go episodes
0 likes@Nikki Lee how ignorant of an episode even if satirical
0 likes@TheUnholyOne Wonderful prediction. But Iâm sure like others you can insulate yourself with fraud claims.
8 likesEven though it was satire on todays society it was still the truth which is something people have a hard time dealing with Mcgruder said as much when he left
0 likesItâs because white people are uncomfortable watching it
0 likes@SPARKYREVENGE // No need to get into whose struggle is worse, mate. From Jewish people to black people to Latin America, humankind in general has had it pretty fucked up.
14 likesI think you forget how the premises that The Boondocks has been built on is culture specific and not universal.
2 likesIt's a product of US American sub culture, which means it would be very difficult to market it outside of the US because the focus is not relatable to 95% of the world, and almost every episode would require further explanation if the people watching aren't not only familiar with US American pop culture, but also sub culture and history.
Rick & Morty focuses on family dynamics, which is a near universal theme, so the grounds for success were already much more stable for the show in comparison.
@TheUnholyOne "Going to win again"...
10 likesCurb your enthusiasm
Theyâve aged fine. They are making fun of stuff that happened and are funny.
0 likesBecause itâs a black show.... Boondocks is popular in the black community but the black community donât do weird fandom they just watch and like it so thatâs why you donât have a big hype about it
2 likes@TheUnholyOne umm well u see
4 likes@Maya bro you got to be kidding me, give me a clear reason why it's gone worse
0 likesbcause of how old it is and the fact ive never heard of it
0 likesBoondocks started airing in 2005. That was before Twitter. Before Tumblr. Heck, before YouTube. Social media was still in its infancy. It had not completely consumed people's lives yet.
3 likesI feel like things like Twitter and Reddit were essential to Rick & Morty becoming what it has become. Heck, R&M didn't have this crazy fandom until Season 3 in 2017, three years after Boondocks' last episode aired. Prior to that, the fandom for Seasons 1 and 2 weren't all that different from the fandoms behind other adult swim shows.
mhm
0 likesIts anime and everyone hates anime
0 likesIt hurts to see yourself in the mirror
0 likesLie detector test report incoming: He spittin the truth and nothing but the truth.
0 likesFor one a lot of its humor/jokes and references were those of its time. If you know what I mean, a lot of the humor still aged well now but it was a 2000s show at its peak.
1 like@Cofka or some people should just be fine not saying an oppressive word. đ€·đœââïž
1 like@TheUnholyOne That didn't age well
6 likesHolds up today
0 likesThere was a lot of good shit to pay attention to back then.
0 likesThing is I'm white as hell and loved the boondocks but when I tried to watch it with my white friends they just couldn't get into it.
1 like@ct3000 that's true. The culture got more black dominant and time went on , hence more people recognize it. I wasnt into black culture like that for a while.
1 like@intheory32 I still am very unknowledgeable when it comes to black culture but I'm trying to learn more everyday, I started watching more black comedy, doing my own research, and taking a hip hop culture class at my college and I have to say it's been very eye opening.
1 like@intheory32 Thank you for saying this. I already kind of had this epiphany when listening to excessive amounts of hip hop in order to seem "cool," what I discovered that I do infact enjoy certain hip hop artists especially from the early 90s like biggie smalls and ice tea, yet when I was listening to mumble rap and trap I really wasn't enjoying myself or the music so I went back to my comfort zone of fast metal and video game music. Everything you've said is completely true and at some points I really was forcing myself to enjoy content I couldn't relate to. However boondocks is an outlier, I love the show, the characters, and the comedy on a personal level. It's not a perfect show, I feel the uncle ruckus joke although well used in the episode about him his cameos we're frequently unfunny an disrupting to the plot. I also think that the show started with a greater focus on Huey's life and later that shifted for both better and worse. In the I end I feel that boondocks would've been more successful now than when it came out, but I still enjoyed it as the show it was without being black.
3 likes@ct3000 ya boon docks was somewhat down near the end, the guy who started the show had to leave before the last season. I listen to old shit too. Metal and video game music too. Nothing wrong with metal or game music, they are fun but niche. You gotta own it all. I fuck with some new shit but it ain't all that either I agree , a lot of it is trash. Personally i find the uncle ruckus the funniest. I just turned 29 so I'm prolly a bit older then you , but like I said do your own thing and dont worry about others. White guilt last decade was turned up to 11 and you dont gotta listen to that shit. I know I'm not racist but I think Ruckus is the funniest. Dont mean I'm racist it just means that I find the shit funny, nothing to get mad at. I didnt get mad when snoop dogg put on white face and made twitter videos one time as a charachter . It was pretty funny . World just too serious man. ( getting rambly again ). My advice is shut out politics and just focus on having fun with stuff. Its gonna be tough thought. Try listening to some tyler the creator, even he acknowledges that white kids like him. đ srsly tho he good. First 3 albums emo but good and the rest get out of that but show his artistry as a producer and lyricist. I dunno man .
3 likes@TheUnholyOne this didnât age wellđ
4 likes@Maya agreed. A lot of older seasons shout, "I approached this topic with the mentality of a 12yo because I thought it was funny."
0 likesThey're so cringey now. Like Mr. Garrisons sex change, where once he realized he couldn't have kids he stated he was a woman with a mutilated penis. Huge yikes. Also it projects a heavily transphobic view on trans and body dismorphia.
I still like a lot of older episodes, and SP has a place in my heart, but I think it's important to be able to go back and discuss how bad older episodes are.
i wasnt a fan of the animation
0 likes@TheUnholyOne that didnât age well lmao.
3 likesStill watch that show like twice a year. The reason it wasn't bigger was how often they said ***ger. That's my theory, networks just can only justify a certain amount, even if it wasn't derogatory (sometimes), it was very genuine. I miss that show.
0 likes@Rob Joe yeah just ask Seth MacFarlane how far criticizing everyone will get you.
0 likesNowhere, not even, a bunch of TV shows and millions of dollars, that's for sure...
People also hate those old Dean Martin Roasts, where people just criticize and criticize, never a laugh on that show.
No sir.
@Rob Joe I think the nihilism gets old for sure, but making fun of everything around you is a tried and true format for animation specifically.
0 likesI think the suicide scenes lost viewers, I think the long release times between seasons lost viewers, and yes the nihilism just gets grating if you're not using it to justify something funnier than more nihilism.
Same
0 likesΊ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxYH5CXbpYA
1 like@Chad that sounds right "Chad".
3 likes@TheUnholyOne This comment aged like milk
1 like@Paradox Box The reason a lot of far right people enjoy the boondocks is because they donât see past the satire, and assume that much of the humor is centered around âblack culture is stupid.â
0 likesit isnt catered to sheep
0 likesHey man me and just about everyone I fuck with loves the boondocks
0 likesAND MF DOOM
0 likes@Tiger Festivals if your quoting something like a movie song or tv show and the black people your around have a problem with you using the N word. Should hang around different black people. đ€·đŸââïž
1 like@TheUnholyOne that trump comment aged horribly
4 likesit was fucking amazing
0 likesThe boondocks was. What are you talking about?
0 likesbecause its about black american culture and most people dont find it funny. everyone has their own sense of humour. i fucking loved boondocks and im not even american, nor from the ghetto. just a biracial european dude.
0 likes@Maya Calvin and Hobbes's satire and commentary aged like fine, fine wine (except for the Mars story, but we don't talk about that). It's even more relevant today than it was back then in the 90's
0 likes@Tiger Festivals True, true
0 likesBecause normies don't appreciate the truly good things in life.
0 likesBoondocks cuts too close to the bone. Its stereotype-comedy is not easily understood by audiences that have no experience with the African American culture - something that the author was attempting to directly criticize. It's a liiiittle too intelligent to pick up and become a major hit, as it doesn't feature South Park-esque bouts of throwing angry swears and slurs very loudly, or the mandated room-temperature IQ that parts of Rick and Morty require.
0 likes@Maya You kidding? PC Babies are brilliant, so is PC Principal and Strong Woman. Even the older commentary stands up, some of it has aged really well.
1 like@TheUnholyOne this did not age well
1 likeWhat pushed people away was the style of animation, imho
0 likes@JERACERX I'm Chinese and I loved Boondocks back then. I've recently watched it twice and I still love it, more now than ever since I see the political background to it.
0 likes@TheUnholyOne this aged like milk, plus, Boondocks isnât left leaning- that just shows you never watched it, and based that assumption off the fact itâs black characters.
2 likesThe show was criticizing both parties, and especially toxic black culture, or what is rather perceived as black culture- and obviously it spoke on racism, bigotry, and classism.
There was an episode where it made fun of Obama & The Black Vote.
The show was layered, but some, like yourself, never gave it a chance due to certain ideologies, worldviews, and political stance.
As a fan, The Boondocks is just the black version of South Park. I donât say it as a criticism, but more as to why watching the show sometimes feels jarring. To some people (and Iâm sure this was the case for anyone who watched The Boondocks for the first time), the show is very bold in its execution, and most of the comedy and moments are derived from stuff that black people can mostly relate to. Obviously the show can be enjoyed by other ethnicities and races, but TLDR the show is hard to appeal to a general audience
1 like@Maya tegredy farms
0 likes@TheUnholyOne well well well, this comment did age very good did it?
0 likesI considered watching back then but I thought it was a show I wouldnt understand cuz im not black
1 likeprobably because it made white people uncomfortable
4 likes@i miss DOOM This tbh
0 likes@Low Level Content the boondocks is extremely left leaning. Itâs precisely because of that it dunks on both parties. Someoneâs not getting the show lmao.
0 likes@Hambone Smithsonian somebody never listened to an interview by the author himself, but please elaborate on how Boondocks is left leaning..
3 likesIt seems youâve never read the comic strips the show is based on, nor really understand the nuance of the political narratives.
@Low Level Content âguys I watched a single interview so Iâm an expert on the boondocksâ Aaron Mcgruder has specifically espoused his socialism on multiple occasions. He specifically critiques both parties from a leftist perspective. Not from some âcentristâ position lmao. He wrote the show to be a black Charlie Brown. Huey is a reflection of leftist political radicals, Riley is a reflection Aaronâs view on the bling hip hop culture. Jazmine is a reflection of the experience of contemporary mixed race black people in the Americaâs. The episode âThe itisâ specifically dealt with the methods capitalist interests use to claim public land/resources/utilities
4 likesThe episode âThe realâ investigates the governmentâs historical and current practice of using the executive branch to investigate and even assassinate leftist political Radicals.
The episode âItâs a Black President, Huey Freeman.â Directly espouses Aaron McGruders concerns about Obama through hueys objections to Obamaâs presidency. The episode specifically highlights how a lot of black people specifically at the time had no real political conciousness and were simply voting for a Obama because he was black. Aaron specifically has scenes in the episode which showed that obama was a neoliberal reinforcement of the status quo. For the creator, Obama wasnât leftist ENOUGH.
⊠But youâre the âboondocks understanderâ right?
Right i love both south park and the boondocks just as much
0 likes@Random Internet User youâre wrong
0 likesBout to start it up soon Iâve only heard good things about it
0 likesCuz most white people thought it was a show for just black people and thought they wouldnt understand the comedy
0 likesWatched a season of it.. It was at best, only okay
0 likesI would watch the show while loading my flash games in the dead of night as a kid. However I never really talked to anyone about it because I wasn't sure I was allowed too and plus... I was a kid so most of the nuance went over my head. I was still in the "characters get into wacky shenanigans" mindset about every single show so I saw it as characters being characters. I was a dumb child and I think like half the audience was too and that probably effected the show that most people didn't have any clue what was actually going on.
0 likesWhat are you talking about? Im assuming u didnt watch it when it was on tv bc it was really popular here
0 likes@Bryan Conrad ik im late af to this thread but yea, no, he has a point and your missing it entirely, one of the most popular characters on boondocks bc of how extreme of a parody he is of an uncle tom type character is uncle ruckus, and he takes up quite a but of screen time, and when a GOOD portion of the jokes revolve around the use of the N word and racism and the political and social commentary surrounding it, it can be pretty hard to meme or quote, not impossible, just more difficult imo.
0 likes@Bryan Conrad No, I think he's saying it's hard to relate the show to others in a way that is authentic to its humor and context without saying that. There's certainly ways that you can, but sooner or later it's gonna crop up.
0 likesA year later I still get gamers in my notifications about this. Chris Rock and Dave Chappelle were literally the two most famous and most quoted comedians of that era. I can assure you that no one in 2007 was scared to say nigga when referencing media.
2 likesSo don't worry, it wasn't time traveling SJWs that hampered boondocks. It was probably the 1am air time on a children's cartoon channel during a time before media streaming platforms were part of the norm.
@LuckoDaStars what "fate" are you talking about? do you mean being moved to hbo+ and renewed for new seasons, episodes, and the series getting brought back from death? or were you not aware the boondocks was being brought to streaming for new episodes and seasons, and thought they were dead and gone?
0 likeswell, I mean, they WERE AND ARE, because the boondocks is being brought back THIS YEAR to streaming platform [hbo max I believe] with brand new episodes and pretty much the entirety of the old cast, writers, and crew.
0 likes@Bryan Conrad Hmm, that was a different time, true. Still, I can't imagine fans of the show who weren't black felt super comfortable quoting it in public locations like schools.
0 likesThatâs cause it came too soon in the 2000s. Hopefully the reboot gets more attention.
0 likesScifi simply has better visuals than a down-to-earth show like the Boondacks. Would you ever see a laser gun shoot out between aliens and the same people but from different dimensions in that show? No!
0 likesgood point
0 likesBoondocks > Rick and Morty
2 likes@TheUnholyOne coming to makes me laugh
2 likesIt's because no one likes being criticised, so shows that only target a specific audience or broadly hit everyone with pulled punches become dominant. If you're hitting everyone with truth bombs, eventually sensitive people get tired of hearing the truth and want to go back to their fantasy.
0 likesI fucking loved the Boondocks growing up. That show today would never make it out of the pitch meeting.
0 likes@Barlakopofai I specifically remember the lemonade episode for Riley's "fuck you" speech. Sht makes me die of laughter everytime lol
0 likes@D I'm black, and Rick and Morty is a much better show than boondocks. It actually has great subtle commentary on loneliness and nihilism like this video says but it got out of control. Not everything has to be deep and have commentary. You definitely didn't watch Rick and Morty, your just annoyed by a subsection of the fanbase. Too bad, your loss
0 likesbut with awesome fights and fight music
0 likes@Maya anime avatar, comment disregarded
0 likesJoey's bad trip is better then this
0 likesWatch Joey's bad trip if you want edgy
0 likesRiley will always be the GOAT imo
0 likes@Max H r/AsABlackMan
1 like@Jaylin King itâs like being in the fucking matrix right? Like seeing both sides of the coin in terms of culture. Super fucking relatable?
0 likes@Greg Castetter Highly doubt that's it. Considering how popular rap music which is filled with the N word and is popular among many groups of people. I think it's just that it's a pretty serious show with political commentary. Left leaning political commentary, and who doesn't like that? About half of the US population. The show bieng more mature also makes its audience more limited. And lastly, the fact that is for the most part considered anime by many, limits the show even more.
0 likesThat laat series fucked up the show imo
1 likeracism innit
0 likes@D but it does tho
0 likesThree reasons that I can think of.
0 likes1) The main characters are black, and the show has a lot of cultural satire that white people might not get (especially with the internet still being in its infancy).
2) The art style was very anime inspired. Anime was heavily stigmatized back when it was airing. Those who did watch The Boondocks would be laughed at for liking an anime.
3) The show had a lot of uses of the soft n word, which made it extremely difficult to get into for white people. They would feel uncomfortable because of that, and wouldn't want to quote the show because they didn't want to say the word.
It was an amazing show, but sadly due to its nature it very heavily alienated audiences that weren't adults, black, and fans of anime. Small demographic, only ran late at night, and the viewers outside the target demographic couldn't really spread knowledge about it. Hopefully it'll make a resurgence though and people will finally recognize it as a masterpiece!
@Yeasstt I have talked to soooooo many white people who loved the show. Gotta disagree with #1.
1 likeI think it was the opposite reason. The show frequently portrayed black people poking fun at SJWs, so SJWs couldn't handle that. It wasn't about race, it was about criticizing liberal people from the left, which is forbidden by media moguls.
always aired hyper late
0 likes@TheUnholyOne This aged horribly LMFAOOO
0 likes@TheUnholyOne bad news.
0 likesNot even close.
0 likes@JERACERX bruh
0 likes@Laxhoop2525 tf is up with that about tho
0 likesI haven't watched the show but form your observation I think it's just because it was a deffrent age on the internet and because it didn't bring much fantasy
0 likesNot hating
@the crime boi Nice spelling and grammar.
0 likes@TheUnholyOne Facts he 100% won again
1 likeDon't wanna be the one to pull " racial card here " but all characters are black. And they speak out about it with politics and issues thag happends in society within the Black community, its a hard pill to swallow for Many therefore not many want to watch a Cartoon that realistically point the issues by society from a Black Family perspective.
0 likesIts very sad that the show didn't received the love it deserved because of how well written its was! I loved the Boondocks and its very sad it had to go when it was just getting started with posting more issues and raising voice agaisnt it.
I stayed up late like 3am to watch it when I stayed at my moms man I loved that show it was an honest gem.
0 likesIts boring
0 likesI've officially read so many comments about The Boondocks that I forgot it's not the show the video's about.
0 likesit was heavily bias..
0 likes@TheUnholyOne lol this aged bad
0 likesIt was a show I thought of watching
0 likes@TheUnholyOne this reply aged like milk in the Arizona sun
0 likes@Maya awh somebody is upset that a cartoon made fun of them :'(
0 likesthe boondocks is one the best shows of all time and you cant change
0 likesThe Boondocks is to smart and nuanced for a mass audience. Better that it remain obscure and retain its artistic integrity than get stuck catering to its popularity.
0 likesThe Boondocks was one of the best shows ever made. Iâm eternally sad that John Witherspoon died before Aaron MacGruder started the reboot
0 likes@Trash Compactor yea...
0 likes@soundofspace Bruh where did you see that?????
0 likesIt was too black.
0 likesI can tell you why. Because it is an American show, that talks about the society and culture of the US. I am American but was raised in Brazil, when I was 16 I came back to the US and the YouTube kept recommending me the show, so I watched, and it fucking sucks.
1 likeAfter sometime living in the US I understood how much race is important to Americans - like, seriously, for one god damn second, please stop talking about race - I was asked about my race on school on my job interview and all. The jokes and critics that that show makes are only funny here, so it was extremely limited to the US public, differently to a lot of other shows.
@SPARKYREVENGE so you suffer more and want more attention now?
1 like@Leptus I'm Dutch never been to the US in my life and I love the show/comics (you do have a point with the comics though. Some jokes were so topical they flew right over my head)
0 likesGood writing is just good writing.
@TheUnholyOne i'll take "things that didn't age well" for $500, Alex
0 likescos anime cringe
0 likesIt was edgy. My parents grew up in the 60's, they freaked with all the times they said "nigga."
0 likesHoly crap you helped design sonic movie
0 likes@Nikki Lee but didnât south park also make a two-parter episode apologizing for their climate change denial?
0 likes@TheUnholyOne boondocks left leaning? LMAO boondocks made fun and ridiculed everyone, but your not alone in thinking that. I've seen left and right wingers dislike the show.
0 likes@shizz this is an excellent point and i realize your comment is a year old at this point but i just wanted to let you know you put something into words that iâve struggled with articulating and for that i thank you
0 likesThe Boondocks was god tier.
0 likes@Tiger Festivals thatâs why one says ânyukahâ like stinkmeister lol
0 likes@TheUnholyOne LMAO
0 likes@Ultra Zeptimus this is so wrong itâs insane. You need to get out more.
0 likes@Tiger Festivals well yeah you shouldnât say that word. Not that hard to not say it lol
0 likesBecause it was about black people
0 likesI prefer Rick and morty over the boondocks because the bondocks has a specific target audience,which is Americans ig more specifically black Americans. It makes commentary on American politics while Rick and morty is mostly about philosophical ideologies and stuff that can be understood by a wider range of people not just Americans . I also think that Rick and morty has better written characters compared to the boondocks aswell but thatâs mostly opinion.Iâve tried watching the boondocks but icl I quit after the first season Iâm gonna carry on after some while but I would still prefer Rick and morty because of its creative ideas and writing.
0 likesSo in short, the show had its own identity and themes that it elegantly portrayed, but halfway through, the creators got weak from the fame and abandoned their original intentions to cater to the consumer? Blimey if we haven't heard that one before. Excellent video, Emp. Always love your stuff.
52 likesI honestly love what they did with season 4 and season 5 bc now most of that iq fan base is gone, Rick is losing a lot more fights, itâs becoming less Rick and morty and more the smith family, and the writers can be more loose with it. Basically what Iâm saying is that season four rly shedded light on the fans who like only parts of the series and the others who love the entirety
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Finally someone agrees
2 likesI really loved a lot of Season 5. The Planetina episode in particular was a huge standout for me but holy fuck I could not at all get over how anyone could come up with the giant incest baby plot line. That initial episode felt like the ultimate fever dream.
6 likes@Dancing Israeli Yep. It's just a concept that's really weird but in a way that's not very amusing to me.
1 likeTbh my favorite parts of this entire show is just seeing Rickâs depression, yeah heâs the most intelligent man in the universe with extremely nihilistic behaviors and almost borderline sociopathy, but at the end of the day he sees that as a flaw at the same time, heâs constantly in pain, feeling cursed with his intelligence just as much as blessed with it, and his family is the only thing that makes him feel human, the people who try to idolize Rick are just dumb, heâs not supposed to be idolized, i believe heâs supposed to show the ultimate result of a man who found the ultimate knowledge. In the end heâs just as flawed as everyone in the world without showing it to the people heâs around
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it's a shame this comment was overlooked. this is a perfect encapsulation of what people should do vs what they actually do regarding his character. idolizing a self destructive character is missing the point entirely. just enjoy it for what it is and stop trying to convince yours of concepts that dont exist.
0 likes@Robosing yes the point of rick is to discourage the search of the ultimate knowledge i believe
1 like@Issac Cromwell Such a shame their toxic fanbase ruins such a good show. I mean it doesn't ruin the show, but almost gives it a bad rep because of the toxicity of certain "fans."
0 likesI feel it's a zeitgeist problem. This generation is full of very unruly behavior that fosters such irritating dialogue between the fans and the "fans." You know, find problems that you make up yourself because you're inadvertently projecting you're own insecurity and behaviours onto your favorite cast of characters. So when said characters deviate from what you expect, it causes a host of problems that you made up for yourself. Had you instead watched the show with the foresight to know "it's just a show." and not philosophize it into perdition, maybe you could actually enjoy it for what it is. Fun.
I like the Pickle Rick episode because itâs the embodiment of what the creators want. They said they donât want to have to worry about an over arching story. They just want to do what they want. Each episode being something different and unique. Thatâs why I like it.
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I respect being frustrated over an overly demanding audience but please... could they just stop crying about it in every other episode?
1 likei dont even personally think that pickle rick was a bad episode or that is "divided" the audience. i just think the fandom took that joke and wouldn't shut up about it until it became cringe.
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The women were the ones who made it cringe.
15 likesThey incessantly went overboard with it because they thought Pickle Rick was cute, and going overboard about it would be cute. They were wrong.
@Vwap Trader2019 coming from a woman who likes rick and morty: no woman thought pickle rick was "cute" and most jokes were specifically to make fun of guys like YOU
211 likesThis entire thread is cringe.
58 likesIt's not just the fandom, but the meme community as whole, especially for Reddit. I've seen a lot of Pickle Rick memes all over the Internet and I thought it's funny, even I haven't watched the episode yet.
60 likesI don't know about you but saying that "women should be staying in the kitchen" for ruining the show is just... ridiculous.
The official vernes i am in another account but es sadly the word cringe is kinda cringe ngl sorry but we became the thing that we despised
12 likes@Darshan Maharjan Dang. Guess there's no turning back.
11 likes@The Official Verne The Turtle YouTube Channel True i did indeed say that cringe is inevitible this is not that cringe anyways
0 likes@Darshan Maharjan that's kinda cringe bro
4 likes@Izzy Your right this is so sad man i have no happiness in my mind
0 likes@Mr. Friendship yeah i absolutely loved the irony of the pickle rick memes, saying that "it was the funniest shit I've ever seen" as a way of making fun of the people who took it too far. def one of my favorite memes ever, and also one of m favorite episodes, if not my favorite.
8 likes@The Official Verne The Turtle YouTube Channel tru
0 likes@Vwap Trader2019 a guy couldâve wrote the infamous pickle Rick clip and it would still be âcringeâ
5 likes@Vwap Trader2019 stop making it about one group, 99 times out of a 100 it's not that way.
3 likes@Vwap Trader2019 WHAT LMAO
2 likesI think why Rick turned himself into a pickle is grossly overlooked. The actual thing he became means little compared to the impact on Beth and the kids. Face it Susan Sarandon is gold. As far as people taking things to extremes.... that will never end. The audience literally drove Dave Chappell off his own show.
7 likes@Vwap Trader2019 "women bad"
8 likes@Vwap Trader2019 Literally what the fuck lmao I can taste the salt
2 likesIMO, certain parts of the fandom ran that joke into the ground before the episode revolving around Pickle Rick aired. I also felt it was the end product of lazyness or they felt they had a better way to tell the same joke. Not saying that it was a bad episode, just that a previous episode stole the jokes impact.
2 likesBut that is just my opinion, and in the grand scheme that puts it between cow shit and pig snot in importance.
@Papulu It's a stupid episode on it's own, fandom has nothing to do with that
0 likes@The Official Verne The Turtle YouTube Channel that is some nice wisdom
0 likes@12 21 Looking back on my comment, I completely agree. I guess watching Rick and Morty raised my IQ 35 points.
0 likes@The Official Verne The Turtle YouTube Channel "don't get cocky, a cocky turtle can be a bad thing for everybody"
2 likes@Vwap Trader2019 Incel
2 likesI always took the final scene with Dr. Wong as a way of grounding Rickâs god complex in the fact that a normal, regular therapist that also treats poop eatersâŠcan completely pull apart the real problem with Rick, something he tries running from constantly yet itâs still so blatantly obvious. It made Rick directly face his problems, I donât think it was meant to tell us (the audience) what to feel. I think we are all smart enough to also see the issue without Wong
2 likesI started watching the show like a month ago and I was surprised by how it was actually good and funny and not so "hard to understand intellectual bla bla bla" as the fandom made it out to be
16 likesI suffered from serious insomnia all through junior high and high school, maybe sleeping an hour or two at most. Adult Swim was my best friend during that time. King of the Hill, Futurama, Naruto, and Inuyasha got me through many sleepless nights.
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King of the Hill and Futurama are both back on Adult Swim if that means anything.
1 likeDrawn together always gets forgotten
1 likeCan we talk about how Bushworld Adventures was literally the best episode of the show.
4 likes3:45 I love how the word "zeitgeist" found its way into the english language. Always thought it was a typical german word combining the word "Zeit" = time and "Geist" = spirit.
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what about kindergarten
6 likesi JUST realized why itâs called adult swim after hearing âall kids out of the pool for adult swimâ for YEARS
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yeah it's a real thing public pools have for like an hour where kids can't swim so the adults can enjoy the water too. Always has been
705 likes@Joseph S. It's not a thing in Finland so I had no clue until now.
248 likes@Haispawner It could be an expressly American thing, but yeah. Most public pools have times of the day often called "Adult Swim" where only adults are allowed in the pool so they can swim without annoying kids in the way.
437 likes@vezonf3nrak Thanks for the knowledge, fellow internet user
43 likes@Joseph S. i can't believe this didn't click with me lol
13 likes@John Smith Hey man. You good? You seem a little pent up
42 likes@vezonf3nrak Probably it is just an American thing, because in my country there isn't anything like this too.
27 likesSame
2 likesI just learned something new today!
4 likesHaispawner yeah itâs not a thing here in Australia either. Good to know, though!
4 likesSwimming Pools by Kendrick Lamar. Makes sense as it appears on Good Kid m.A.A.d City, which EmpLemon references in the title of the video
6 likesIt's a thing my non-American country as well, so it's definitely not an American thing.
3 likesvezonf3nrak I loved fenrak but kardas was such a dream when I was a kid
1 likeLove that pfp
2 likesNever heard this over is Australia either
1 likeIt took me reading this to realize how swim is in the name
4 likesAdult swim is generally used for lap swimming, or swimming as exercise instead of recreation.
13 likesImagine Michael Phelps trying to train for the olympics with kids doing canonballs and dog paddling everywhere.
I've lived in America all my life and been in the southwest and midwest; I've never seen or heard adult swim in real life
8 likessame here kek
1 likeIt was obvious when the pool motif was a thing which was at the very beginning of the networks run.
8 likes@vezonf3nrak ah I see, pool instead of sea lol
0 likesYeah the old ads when adult swim started had an announcement like pools did where it said âadult swim, all kids out of the poolâ
1 like@fusionfountain Aw man the pool ads really brought me back. On wikipedia they section the show into "Pool Era" "Intertitle Card Era" and "Scenery Pans Era"
1 like@Joseph S. Nothing like this where I'm from. Seems like a good idea honestly, because I admit kids and us teens can be annoying to deal with
1 likeI'm American and I used to wonder if it was a real thing as a kid, I still never heard the term ever used outside of channel of Adult Swim, like I can't even think of any pool I've been too or anything that ever referenced "adult swim" being a thing
3 likesSame thing, even I never grew up with Adult Swim to begin with. Maybe it's more of a metaphor of how kids shouldn't watched Cartoon Network at midnight and the schedule changed to the point of turning into a weird fever dream. Some kids were terrified at the scary aspects of Adult Swim because of the unnerving yet satisfyingly relaxing bumpers and once they grow up, they are getting nostalgic as an adult and watched more of the Adult Swim content.
5 likesAt the end, the book-end metaphor is this: "all kids who grow up are joining for the Adult Swim."
The âexcuseâ for it is them dumping chemicals to clean the water.
1 likeBruh that's a badass. I've always kinda wondered where they got that!
0 likesHOLY SHIT IKR? So many years... so, so many years.
3 likes@Irok 121 Me too man.
0 likesYeah, so did I.
0 likesPepsi is the hero, but also the enemy.
0 likesthey have a similar thing in japan, except it's called "Aldulteru Swimmeru". I wonder if they are related?
4 likesI didnt notice at all!
1 like@vezonf3nrak I'm an American and even I didn't know that.
0 likes@vezonf3nrak I'm a new Yorker and I've never heard of that. Then again... I've only ever been to a public pool in Brooklyn just to see concerts like the breeders and the Beastie boys lol
0 likesOh
0 likesI wish "adult" hour was in more activities than just swimming đ€Ł
0 likes@vezonf3nrak When I was a kid, I noticed that adults NEVER used the diving boards during adult swim...they just seam laps. So I made the sensible suggestion "why not let us use the unused diving boards that aren't being used anyway?" and got shot down.
1 likeI quickly came to realize it was as much about "pulling rank" as anything else. Logic doesn't always win!
@YavkataBGgaming same here
0 likesHere in the Netherlands most adults always go to the pool with kids
It's more a family thing
@vezonf3nrak damn that's cool, we need to have it in China
0 likesI didn't get this either because there's no such thing in germany
0 likes@Joseph S. itâs more like 15 minutes. Usually the last 15 minutes of an hour.
1 like@bcubed72 At least at the pools I visited Adult Swim didn't have lifeguards as it was there break period. So that was the main reason kids weren't allowed
2 likes@LittyFam I love that he puts effort like that into his videos, fun little stuff for people to be like
0 likes"hey I get that refference"
instead of just calling it some version of "the problem with rick and morty" or something.
@Joseph S. youâre right about adult swim being a real thing in public pools, but itâs not for a whole hour? instead how adult swim works is on an hourly basis at American public pools. There is 15 minute time slot dedicated for adults only. Usually the last 15 minutes of every hour.
0 likesThe nostalgia hits so hard. Brings me back to a simpler time in life... Me staying up passed my bed time parents asleep upstairs and watching shows that in my head made me feel like I was on drugs because it was all so different compared to the norm
0 likes.....
0 likesGrowing up, the pool I went to had regular swim for 45 min then 15 min for Adult Swim. It was also a chance for leisure swimming for adults without kids splashing and getting in the way. The. The lifeguards would get in their chairs at the end and all the kids would line up around the side of the pool and when they blew their whistles, all of the kids jumped back in.
1 like@That One Chick reminds me of a time before covid đ„
0 likesYes ik it's over but people are still wary also alot of buisness went down as a result. I have to drive an hour if I want to go the theaters..... :(
I swear the writers watched this video and took the "dysfunctional family is what makes the show good" part too literally for Season 5 lmfao
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I hate the dysfunctional family stuff
2 likesWhile still missing the point of what made it good.
0 likesMe as just a casual viewer really never noticed these changes in the shows narrative until you pointed them out it. I just enjoyed the show for its sci fi elements and witty humor. It will be interesting to rewatch the first two seasons now with this knowledge
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Same I just enjoyed the show for Everything it had to offer
0 likesI truly believe that the point of the show has yet to be realized. I hope that the addition of more writers hasnât diminished the shows integrity, but that may very well be the case as well. I think calling Rick the smartest man in the universe is not only correct, but necessary to achieve its point. I mean from the start of the show we havenât seen anyone truly match Rick, and even the beings with intrinsically more power than him still donât have the gadgetry or know-how that he does. I mean heâs the only one who has a collection of his alternate selves powerful enough to unite and rule inter-dimensionally. Weâve all been thinking it, Rick is the smartest man in the universe. So when he starts rubbing off on the rest of the family, they start understanding that they have more power than they previously thought, a realization everyone has when observing someone who operates on a higher level. Their perspectives change and with that they develop new feelings regarding their identity.
16 likesMeanwhile, Rick delves into his own nihilism, which, if youâve ever truly accepted that nothing matters at any point, you know it leaves you with only one thing, your ego. No longer are you restrained by moral integrity, making the ârightâ choice, or in Rickâs case, the need to be loved by his family, or really anyone. By the end of the season his sheer honesty with each of the family members has helped them stand up to him and themselves, but Rickâs ego leaves him with nothing to show for it. This theme continues in season 4 and in season 5 we see that Rick isnât the most invincible man in the universe, and may not actually be the smartest.
My major point behind all this is that I donât think that the fandom has affected the show as much as this video might suggest, and I donât think season 3 was as sloppy either. It was designed to feel loose and aimless, and itâs insane marketability further accentuated the nihilism of vanity. I suppose weâll only know after Rickâs final arc ever completes.
Sorry for the essay, if you read this, youâre a g and Iâd love to hear your thoughts too.
Season 5 so far feels like they watched this and took notes.
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Damn so i'm not the only one thinking something like that, just gonna copypaste the comment i just wrote here:
8 likes"20:25 OH MY GOD i just realized something.
looking back at this, after the season 5 finale... it could be possible that somewhere around that time, rick created the central finite curve.
"somewhere along the way, rick transformed from the flawed scientist into the smartest man in the universe"
"the show only starts calling rick this in season 3"
i wonder if the creators had the curve in mind back then. if so, that redeems the weird writing back then for me.
also, they confirmed that the "made up backstory" rick "only used to escape prison" was actually real.
either they watched this video and took it to heart, or it was actually genius writing all along.
I really enjoy this show. I donât think itâs the most perfect show ever like a lot of other people think
6 likesThere's one of those times where I really wished I watched adult swim when I was a kid, idk just fantasizing the experience watching TV and tuning in to these goofy characters late at night was an experience I could have had.
7 likesIt's escapism while growing up in a dysfunctional family.
10 likesThat line: "Science makes sense, family doesn't" sums it up pretty well.
You should talk about the new seasons, they did crack down hard on Rick's flaws to the point where he's not even at the center of his family anymore, let alone the universe
8 likesThe briefest clips of Rick and Morty have raised my IQ to just high enough to understand EmpLemonâs content
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Fool
52 likesI do not detect the sent of the concoction of classified ingredients for capitalist benefit known as "Szechuan Sauce" therefore making your argument underdeveloped and silly.
Where tf did you got the extra 0s??
11 likesTo be fair...
9 likesBased and Lemonpilled.
10 likesNot a lot, then.
5 likesI thought it was the music, so
1 likeI was born a prodigy
1 likeThis video was able to explain the unexplainable feeling I had watching Rick Morty season after season. I guess I really ended up loving Rick and Morty not only because of the space adventure and nihilism but also because of the family drama aspect of it. It made me miss that. Idk where else I can find that same feeling of experience and satisfaction if not rick and morty realize where it truly shined.
4 likesThe inflated intellectualism that had arisen from the shadow side of the fan base is the exact reason why big bang theory was always a drag script wise. And thank you for mentioning Futurama, I feel the intelligence with which it was written is seriously overlooked/understated and knocks both Big Bang and RaM out of the water
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THE LOST CITY
1 likeOF ATLANTA
Watched the show for the first time when they put rick in fortnite and MAN, the first 2 seasons fucking ROCKED. Season 3 and 4 were still ok aside from 1 or 2 episodes but I enjoyed it as a whole.
16 likesI'm just hoping they'll manage to bring the show back to what it once was with the next season
2 likes"Can a fandom be so insufferable that they damage their shows reputation beyond repair?"
1918 likesYes, Steven Universe.
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Yes, it's called JoJo's Bizarre Adventure
409 likes@Aumima Mimadino which is a goddamn shame. I still hold the opinion that Undertale is a masterpiece, but saying that outloud will probably get me to hell on earth
276 likesSU definitely has one of the worst fanbases ever, but it's infamous reputation isn't just on them.
260 likesSometime around season 4 all of the show's flaws started growing larger and larger until all aspects of the show devolved to the point that "Change your mind" happened.
I'd say it's reputation is thanks both to its toxic fanbase and the writing of the show itself imploding.
@Aumima Mimadino
155 likesUTs fanbase was an absolute Dumpster fire for a good while, but I'd say both it's fanbase and reputation have mostly recovered.
A large number of the toxic fans were trend followers who have moved on to other things, and a lot of the cringy younger fans grew up and came to their senses.
Nowdays the fandom is mostly chill, and I've seen lots of people return to it and giving it praise again.
So I'd say it wasn't beyond repair.
Basically every single fandom with certain enough members and a certain age-group, 13-40~
48 likes@Aumima Mimadino I agree 100%
2 likesI think we could say every fandom kill the original work. It's sad but showing to much love and fantism to any piece of work or artist is the best way to hurt it. Great vid btw, detailed analysis
47 likesDidn't SU fanboys drive a guy to suicide?
74 likesAumima Mimadino I mean youâre really only going to see fanfic if you go searching for it . . . Why criticize a show over something thatâs easy to avoid đ
6 likesThomas the tank engine fandom would like to have a word
34 likesthe fandom is terrible bc they became devoted to the show during the 1st and half of the 2nd season (when it was Good) and stayed that devoted even when the show got worse and worseâart and story wiseâand ended by. making you sympathize with literal space dictators.........that had a human zoo.......in which all the humans were brown.......not a good look
42 likesEddsworld
9 likes@Space junk I think so
1 like@Leonardo I disagree. JoJo fans dont go around doxxing people or sending artists death threats just because that person didnt like some romantic relationship or that artist "drew a character wrong" (at least to my knowledge).
129 likesThe hate against jojo fans, i would say, is a bit exagerrated. At worst we're just annoying, spamming memes and diluting the meaning of inside jokes. Pretty bad, sure, but its no where near the garbage fire that steven universe and undertales fandoms is/was.
@confused The problem is that everyone knows how bad SU is. Everyone seems to love and even reference Jojo all the time. People will defend Jojo like its God's favorite anime.
53 likes@George Liquor I mean it's pretty good, but a lot of people in this side of the planet think it's the best because it's the most adapted to western tastes since its very conception, I can see why
44 likes@confused well I never said they were that bad (I didn't know SU fans did that, very bad 0/10)
64 likesBut yeah, the main problem with jojofans it's that they start leaking precum and saliva every time someone mentions something slightly related to JoJo
@George Liquor As a fan of JoJo, i can confidently say the shows quality is overexagerrated for the sake of comedy. I've never met a jojo fan who actually says it is the greatest show in existence unironically.
89 likesOn that note, watch the show before i shatter your kneecaps
The important thing about JoJo fans to me is that they don't really think JoJo is well-written or anything. Unlike fans of Undertale, Steven Universe, or Rick and Morty, JoJo fans are never pretentious and don't ascribe any deeper meaning to the show other than that it's fun and memorable. I can see why people would find them annoying, but the fact that they don't talk down to anyone puts them above the "worst of the worst" fandoms in my opinion.
81 likes@gghhghhghgh gghhghhghgh thats pretty reasonable
13 likesSteven Universe is really interesting to me because the fandom became more insufferable alongside the show's gradual writing deterioration over time.
52 likes1st season = relatively chill, fandom & writing make it fun to watch
2nd season: still cool, starting to crack though w/Keystone Motel/suicide-baity bullshit
Season 3: mild, watch the fandom though...
Season 4, 5: holy shit, what happened?!
Now it's hit that unique sweet spot where both the fandom and the hatedom are irritating fuckwads, please go away.
@gghhghhghgh gghhghhghgh Anecdote: I'm a Steven Universe fan and I'm well aware the show sucks in a ton of places. What attracted me to the show was the concepts within them. Near-immortal alien space rocks that can merge their forms to become more powerful sounds pretty awesome to me. The combination of magic and science fiction seemed pretty cool as well. It's a shame it wasn't actually handled all that well in the show itself. That's why I focus more on fan-work nowadays, especially since the show is over (to what I imagine some people's pleasure)
11 likesMy feelings on fandoms are pretty forgiving, probably. Unless %50 of the fandom is actually doing shitty toxic things, it's not a toxic fandom. When people say a fandom is toxic they're implying that it's most of the fandom when at most it's like %10. I've seen way more people criticize the toxic fans for being idiots than toxic fans being toxic. And yes I'm still talking about SU.
I think this whole toxicity aspect to fandom is more prevalent with IPs that attract younger audiences who don't have enough self-awareness to realize they're being retarded or adults who never grew out of being pathetically stupid. There's a ton of other factors but I'm not here to write an essay.
Difference is Steven Universe is actually a shitty show too.
28 likesYo I like jojo, and im gonna yell at you and prove your point!
7 likes@Leonardo you use twitter don't you?
5 likes@Leonardo 2/8 not great b8 m8
2 likesAre you calling tf2 a show? Lol
4 likesI never really likes SU, and the fandom for the show reinforced my hate. But who knows, I might pick it up again to see if itâs good
3 likesI don't care for Steven Universe and even I know it did and is doing just fine.
1 like@Leonardo Jojo's bizarre adventure made me go to the gym. I think it's fanbase not only elevates the show.
10 likes@Nobody Cares disagree, since trying out new themes is not signs of a "horribly inconsistent writer" and are actually signs of "not being stale and being boring by doing the same shit for 12 seasons" and JoJo isnt that overhyped
17 likesBut you know, agree to disagree
parker k
19 likesâall the humans were brownâ?? You clearly never saw it or are just making stuff up. Most of the humans in the zoo were some shade of white, including the main blonde lady, and a quick Google search can prove that
@Aumima Mimadino I legitimately can't convince some friends to play Undertale because of it's reputation. Easily one of my favorite games from the last decade
11 likes@Space junk **girl,and she survived
1 like@Leonardo Must be the work of enemy stand user
6 likes@Adrian Christ Honestly what is its reputation? I mostly just see ironic and double ironic sans memes.
0 likesChildhood Trauma Heâs really not as inconsistent as people make him out to be. Just a lot of incompetents complaining because they lack basic comprehension.
11 likesAraki definitely got some glaring fuck ups, but the whole Araki forgot thing is just a joke some people decided to take serious.
JoJo is a good show in my opinion. I think like someone described above, it ainât deep, donât have good dialogue, nothing special or crazy. Itâs just simply fun and memorable. Kinda like dragon ball. Sometimes I just wanna throw on som anime that make me excited like a 10 year old ya know?
I mean even without it's horrid fanbase, Steven Universe went from mediocre to absolute dogshit towards the end.
15 likesHomestuck is another good example, even if itâs not a show.
9 likes@gghhghhghgh gghhghhghgh agree, I didn't know what SU fans were capable of so I just assumed we talked about cancerously annoying fanbases
7 likes@Manafighter no, the only social media I have is Youtube
1 like@Nobody Cares I wouldn't say overhyped but hey those are opinions for you
1 like@SunClonkt I can't help but hear it in the OVA's jotaro voice goddamnit lol
0 likes@Leonardo Thank you
2 likesDon't forget Korra and RWBY.
8 likesAnd all Sonic fans.
7 likes@gghhghhghgh gghhghhghgh Yeah, real character depth comes far later than the animated parts. Part 7 is probably the first one with actual themes and character development, with a pretty good philosophy.
3 likesLX BDK I disagree. The fandom is the only factor
0 likesBaastet too
3 likesAlso My Hero Academia, Tomb Raider, juggalos, etc.
8 likesYo no jojo fandom is the best one
1 like@CrunchyWolf I cannot wait until Stone Ocean Anime drops and people finally find out WHY it's called Jojos Bizarre adventure and not Jojo's Ghost DBZ.
4 likesChildhood Trauma tbh Jojo might be overhyped, but that hype is the only reason I started watching anime. So, the fandom is capable of good
6 likesAll fandoms are bad stop being babies lol
7 likes@parker k "Sympathise with Space Dictators..." Explain how they are besides the human zoo thing.
1 likeâ@Space junk That ironically is always a catalyst for bashing that show's fandom but that was more so a tumblr push if you looked more into it.
6 likesIf you ever noticed what UT, SU, and a lot of cancerous fandoms have in common is that sometimes it's a lot of concentration on one particular platform until it explodes out into other websites.
@gghhghhghgh gghhghhghgh You would be surprised..... I think a show can be well written despite not being particularly complex, and Jojo's does present some decent layers to its narrative, but there's a new, growing part of the danbase that genuinely thinks that the show is peak writting and they will use every buzzword in the book to try to make you think so
4 likesStar Wars, Overwatch.
5 likes@LX BDK (Notifications are OFF) Honestly I think the show's main mistake was the diamonds' redemption. It had a lot of potential and good episodes, but that arc just made no sense, and there was really no coming back from it
8 likesI would say itâs really up to how much the fandom actually can have an impact on the actual art, but toxic fandoms can make a barbed wire fence around the actual piece of media, making it look very unappealing from the outside.
3 likesNot tied to any specific IP, but furry, gaming, and anime in general. The sheer volume of bad actors in these fandoms taint the entire fucking thing for many people, regardless that in each one of these said annoying, bad people aren't the majority. All three share similar stereotypes with furries having their weird sex stuff be gay and open rather than straight incel shit.
5 likes@Leonardo actually its only the small pit of reference makers everywhere which arent really cool people
1 likeHomestuck also comes to mind tho that comic was always hot trash.
4 likes@Nobody Cares part 7 was not supposed to be related to jojo? Hmm, part 7 was part of what anime? oh right JoJo's Bizarre Adventure
2 likesif the part 7 of an anime called jojo isnt related to jojo, i've never heard of anything be said about "what it was supposed to be".
I didnt say araki forgetting was a meme, he himself stated that. So theres that
@Space junk
10 likesThey are known to bully artist them driving a girl to suicide was the last straw
@Introverted Wifi
10 likesGod how did Eddsworld get such a bad fandom
I've also noticed the bad fandom pop up long after Edd Gould death
@Rodolfo Urive
1 likeWait what happened?
@InsanityMethods
12 likesKorra is the star wars sequels of avatar
@ImmaLittlePip I couldn't think of a better comparison if I tried. Well done, my friend.
2 likesUndertale seems more likely to withstand the test of time than SU though, because it had to be polished and tell a self-contained story before it even released. SU is bad because the Crewniverse made it bad, and the fandom is a byproduct of its incredibly poorly thought-out and inefficient storytelling. Undertale's reputation as a cringe magnet is primarily the product of its fandom, who latched on just as Homestuck was starting to wane in relevance. At the same time many of these fans started latching onto SU because they saw in it another potential lore-rich story that they failed to anticipate was all but guaranteed to disappoint due to its serial storytelling approach.
12 likesThe serial format is a fucking curse that increases opportunities for the creative forces behind it to fuck everything up if not handled extremely competently, and greater potential for invested time and interest that doesn't meaningfully pay off. Handled extremely poorly, you get absolute shitshows like Steven Moffat's Sherlock Holmes adaptation, or the worst elements of Homestuck content after Act 5 and even more so after Act 7. These circumstances create dedicated hatedoms, arguably more knowledgeable about the core text than the most loyal fans willing to swallow any revisionist fan-fiction-tier bullshit from Word of God, and furious about the months or even years sunk into trying to understand these fictional worlds. Like Rick and Morty, these other properties succumbed to the additional dangers of compromising their identities to appeal to their fandoms (although Sherlock seemed to do almost the opposite, saying "fuck you" to anyone trying to follow Sherlock's train of thought), which will also turn early die-hard supporters into die-hard haters.
I'm frankly terrified the same sort of shit will happen with Hazbin Hotel, which has only 1.5 episodes out so far, since that cartoon seems extremely promising at the moment but faces many of the same dangers serials like Homestuck and SU did at their beginning: the showrunner seem extremely ambitious to expand the scope of her world and storytelling, planning to run a parallel slice of life office comedy happening in the same universe and apparently too young and energetic to know what burnout feels like yet, not unlike Andrew Hussie around 10 years ago. If the Hazbin fandom turns to shit from the show turning to shit, I can anticipate why that might happen. I will be among the first to jump ship if this shit derails. I've seen this shit happen too many times.
In contrast I continue looking forward to Deltarune regardless of how long it takes because I know it's going to come out in a self-contained form and don't have enough information about it to inflate my expectations beyond its capabilities. It won't have another opportunity to build hype for itself, it'll just unceremoniously drop on our laps, fully formed, if and when it's finished.
@Nobody Cares So what? Thats not evidence of part 7 originally not being about JoJo. The main protagonist (Johnny Joestar) is a JoJo and was introduced in the chapters you claim to have been what was "supposed to be Part 7"
3 likes@Zen Zenulous Man I really miss belonging to the most reviled Fandom on the internet, now no one talks about homestuck anymore
3 likes@ken People liking shows is an inevitability, buddy. Good shows, at least in theory and mostly in practice, get large fanbases that are pretty diverse. Thats just how it is.
10 likesShaming these people for liking something instead of not liking/not watching it so it remains niche is pretty stupid
The show is exaggerated, but its satirical. Its comical that most people would actually think we're serious when we say its perfect
On that note, watch the series its God's divine gift to humanity
confused I tried and I genuinely canât get into it. And yes, I finished Part 1 and moved into Part 2. I just ended up dropping it.
4 likes@ken yeah you think we ruined the show but you havent even finished watching it
3 likesconfused ? Of course your fandom ruined the show. You overhype it, make it seem like itâs great, and it ends up disappointing.
4 likesâB-BUT YOU GOTTA WATCH UNTIL PART 3â Fuck no.
@ken You're acting like you actually know about the show by saying we "ruined" it, when in reality you've barely scratched a fifth of it. Whats there to ruin if you dont even know what it is we are ruining?
8 likesI personally think its a great show. Not the best, but at least good. And so, i talk about it to people. Other JoJo fans do the same. This is called "recommendations" and its fine to not like recommendations since taste in entertainment is subjective.
Its better if you'd just not reply to this, its pretty baffling that you dont understand the illogicality of thinking we've ruined a show by recommending it and thinking its good (while not even knowing 4/5 of what the show is about)
I think a bad fandom in my opinion is the Paper Mario TTYD fandom its that bad.
5 likes@ken
2 likesBoy are you missing out
@Nobody Cares Posting spoilers is always a rude act that shouldn't be done. And I have to disagree with the inconsistency. People just speed-read and completely misinterpret things because of memes or botched translations. Example, King Crimson is incredibly easily explained.
1 like@CrunchyWolf Honestly, when you start reading the later parts the show actually becomes way deeper in themes. I feel like part 7 is where araki really comes into his own and makes what Jojo was meant to be from the start. I.e. it has actual character development.
2 likes@gghhghhghgh gghhghhghgh It's definitely a series loved for how over the top, memorable and fun it is, but just because it doesn't take itself too seriously, it doesn't mean it's devoid of any genuinely good writing though.
2 likesFrom part 4 onwards the writing slowly but surely improves.
Part 7 specifically is often considered peak JoJo.
@ken Do they pay you well for being a gatekeeper?
0 likesI think I'll consider it.
@Eat At Joe's season 1 was just annoying tho... at least to me
0 likes@Nobody Cares man you're really overexaggerating how incoherent jojo's is. you know we're talking about an anime that began and continued as a battle comic right? where the plot serves to fill the action and not vice versa? if you don't like the action, I get it, don't watch it because it's not for you. that's all it is. it's not flawed because it's incoherent, it just doesn't suit your taste.
1 like@Nick Name the incoherence to jojo is why it ended up being so popular in the first place. "bizzare" is in the name, the whole anime takes advantage of our loose definition of humor and sense of impulse by taking something that is either simple, cliché, or something that a hobo on acid would think of, yet ends up entertaining us while simultaneously making us want to see more. it's the reason why the Lego City and Stick Bug memes became so popular.
1 likefinal season and future were fucking masterpieces and the fact that some arseholes in the fandom being so vicious pushed people away from it is such a shame
1 likeEver heard of fnaf or sonic?
1 likeTo be honest, The show itself was always pretty shitty. Jojo's or Undertale are far better examples.
3 likes@Leonardo maybe youâre right but also y-OU FELL FOR IT
0 likesTHUNDER CROSS SPLIT ATTACK
@Leonardo man, all these masterpieces tainted by the kids that smell like spicy Cheetos
0 likes@God tf2, jojo, undertale, minecraft? Yeah, what a waste of good works
0 likes@ImmaLittlePip tbh Korra is actually a good show
0 likes@Leonardo nah jojo fandom is fine other than them invading all stand name music comment sections
0 likes@Odd Life Do you fail to realize that every fandoms have a bad side? There are nice and friendly ones in the good side but you shouldn't be overlooking on the toxic side of the fandom too much.
3 likes@Mr. Friendship Yeah that's basically what I was saying but I didn't explain it well and I probably didn't put much thought in what I typed back when I made that comment lol.
1 like@Leonardo nah the fandom hasnât damaged it. Itâs stayed the same throughout the years
1 likeYes, FNAF. Yes, Undertale.
1 likeNot just shows. Video games too.
@Discount Chocolate The difference is that Undertale is a good game (though I haven't played it but the walkthrough had to think of it otherwise) while Steven Universe is also good at least from the beginning but the later seasons where things are rather complicated.
2 likesThe first Three comments just Said my four favorite animated series.
0 likes@Leonardo if anyone hates The Jojo fandom the most it's JoJo fans themselves.
0 likes@Leonardo as a jjba fan, most fans of jjba go through that phase and then chill out later, with how massively influencial the manga was even without being widely available in america cobined with the fact that the show is weird af but somehow applying to everything resulted in the meme of iS tHAt a jOJo refrence and a lot of other memes, (killer queen has already touched that ______)(ZA WURLDO) (torture dance) (it was me dio) (how many breads have you eaten in your life) its kinda expected for the fandom to be toxic and annoying(some are toxic, some are just annoying)
0 likes@Balazs Docs no not minecraft, minecraft youtubers, most of the toxic stans only affect youtubers like technoblade dream and tommyinit, just the ones on the dream smp ngl,because mumbo jumbo and grian dont have those stans even though their minecraft youtubers. Also your points only affects dream smp youtubers so you do apply some good points just the points are targeted a small portion of the minecraft community and nobody actualy thinks that thats the entire minecraft community
0 likesThe show itself sucks too so idk
1 likeLol. I should know, I was apart of it for a while until finding out how toxic people can be
1 likei came to say "the pacing of SU means its difficult to watch unless you were there at the time for the stevenbomb release structure" and scroll down to find dream smp discourse lol
0 likesI avoided this show for years because of the fandom. I just watched it one month ago. It's pretty good
6 likes13:10 That's basically how I approach everything. I feel like it might be a copout for the difficulty that comes with introspection and challenging your beliefs, but sometimes I really hit that dead-end where it's more like "So what, you dissected it and exposed it. It's still society and you're still part of it. Go play."
16 likesAs much as I love this show it's obvious that they're making it up as they go. The reason Rick became this smartest man in the universe is because that was season 3s thing
8 likesWell, it's September 2021, Rick And Morty just aired Season 5 finale, and I must say.....Season 5 has become the best season of this show for me since Season 2. I loved it, because I felt as if they returned to form, and finale destroyed the system (in a good way). Can't wait for Season 6. As for a Fandom...I really don't give a s@#$ about them. They won't change my mind about this show, and I'll keep watching it and giving each Season my honest opionion instead of shuting down whole show just because of mind-set: FANDOM-BAD = SERIES-BAD. I won't do that ever.
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Agree my friend đ. Despite C-137 Rick was somewhat nerfed at Season 5, but i can understand why because it was as a part of his character development especially he become more kinder toward Morty because he don't want become just like the other Ricks
5 likesThat episode Mortiplicity was awesome.
3 likes@premier1975 Agreed, but have trouble decide between this one, Rick & Morty's Thanksploitation Spectactular and Rickmurai Jack, because in my opinion they are also amazing
1 likeWhat's funny is that Emp turns himself into a Lemon.
1307 likesHe's called EmpLemon. Funniest stuff I've ever seen
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LEMON EEEEEEEEEMMMMPPPP
43 likesFunny joke, terrible execution
29 likesNo, just NO
4 likesFlip the lemon Mumkey
3 likesI turned myself into a lemon Mumkey. I'm Lemon Emp.
that is indeed a funny
1 likeHave you heard about this Trump guy? People have been talking about him becoming a peach for over two years now. Imagine some guy being put inside a peach.
5 likes@ChryI So this guy gets put inside a peach. Funniest shit I've ever seen
2 likesThere's a point where being ironic about something doesn't even matter anymore. You're doing the same thing that fandoms are criticized about. Using copypasta to make fun of a fandom or an idea becomes it's own copypasta, it's basically making fun of people for something you're are actually doing right now.
1 like@Wyllowisp No, that meme isn't done by the bad part of the fandom, it is done by the people making fun of that fandom, and is also in spite of the show itself. The meme is sarcastically saying that pickle rick isn't funny.
1 like@ChryI Momo kyun sword. All about peaches
0 likesI hear compelling a lot in this video and I think itâs worthy to note that rick and morty creators donât always want to make a compelling story. Thereâs multiple cases of rick and morty excusing reasons to go in depth about their backstory or understand what there is in their universe, because it ruins what makes the show fun. If you know everything about how things work in the show then thereâs no reason to explain what shit is, and it wouldnât make sense for the smartest man in the universe to never explain shit to you. plus I personally appreciate the inconsistency of growth in this series because I think it shows reality instead of what you want, it would feel great to watch them all become good people, but itâd also ruin the whole âdysfunctional familyâ dynamic. Rick and Morty is better when you donât try to break everything down, because not everything has an answer or reason why.
6 likesI feel as though itâs really fitting that the showâs last great episode ended with a song from an album literally called âThe Downward Spiralâ.
14 likesIf you think egomaniac Dan Harmon seriously allowed the fandom's opinions to "make the show more nihilist" you know nothing about him
1 likeIgnoring the fandom, I honestly just don't think Rick and Morty had enough of a foundation to be great for too long. Eventually something starts to show its cracks, and you either end or you hit a downward spiral.
4 likesThis is evident in basically every show that doesn't end at its prime. Basically any series people will usually argue the later parts aren't as good as the early or mid parts.
Some shows can thrive on that for a bit and have their best moments mid way (e.g It's Always Sunny or Simpsons if you count the first 10 seasons as a different era).
But even shows like South Park that have defied expectations and still create all time classics 20+ years in, most fans will agree it hasn't been as consistently good as it was back in the day with a lot more dud episodes now.
I think Rick and Morty had a formula that wasn't built to last even as long as those shows. It's too irreverent and hyperbolic and based on a popular ideologies of when it released and internet type humor.
It did hit its peak when they injected some heart into the series but I don't believe the show was created with much of that intent. I don't even think the writers had any plans on how to pay off these plot points and character beats.
Comparing it to Futurama (like Emp says is its most similar forebearer), one of the biggest series plot twists was written into the first episode and you can see clues there. That helped it maintain some brilliance in the revival run bc the writers wrote aspects with longevity in mind.
And that's how you end up with episodes like Pickle Rick. The basic extreme of everything the show is. Rick at his most Rick and the ending spoonfeeding you the heart and message.
And all they could do from there is just keep going with that extreme. Because imo at least it wasn't built to be more than zany Sci Fi adventures with some family drama to ground but the show keeps getting renewed.
And even in the recent 5th season they seem to be trying to go back to a less omnipotent Rick and build out the universe and family drama more, which I appreciate, but it kind of just feels sudden and unearned.
They'll still come out with a great episode periodically but the ice on the lake that is R&M began to crack quickly when it kept going past its fresh new ideas and while there are still solid patches you can stand on it's much easier to see where you'd fall in.
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It had enough foundation to be great for longer than 2 seasons but it wasn't. Because they changed the foundation to one with more cracks. And then a show should obviously know when to end aswell.
1 like"Pickle Rick won this show an Emmy"
785 likesI felt violently ill after hearing that
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How that fucking episode got nominated over The Ricklantis Mixup and somehow won is beyond me
107 likes@uncensored008 Damn. It should've been The Ricklantis Mixup.
30 likeswon it an emmy AND an enemy
9 likesRicklantius mixup was great, but you can't sleep on Pickle Rick. It gave a big bad punch on the face of fans who think they're Rick(referringto the therapist scene)
17 likesThe emmy's mean nothing
8 likesrewards are about hype not quality.
4 likesThe Rickshank Redemption is my favorite episode imo
0 likes@Zakk Cooke was one of the best action episodes .. no cap
0 likes@Zakk Cooke nobody:... You: The Rickshank Redemption is my favorite episode imo
1 like@uncensored008 no joke, The ricklantis mixup IMO is the best episode of the series. I don't hate the pickle rick episode, I see it as a funny lets be crazy episode and thats great but not something that is amazing by any means.
0 likesI loved the 2nd half of S4 and the 1st ep of S5. I really really hope whatever theyâre doing, they keep doing it
1 likeEmpLemon: the show is not about nihilism itâs about family
3 likesAlso EmpLemon: The show became bad because itâs about nihilism
i love how all these people are like "you dont get the smart people jokes" and im like "nah youre just over complicating a funny show that isnt always funny"
22 likesI watch the show because of that one time when he turned himself into a pickle, funniest shit Iâve ever seen.
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1 likeI feel like the talking cat who kept telling jerry not to ask questions and just enjoy life was a direct message to theorists like matpat
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Thanks that's clearly an original thought. It isn't like matpat said that outright in one of his videos.
76 likes@Maanav Sikaria i havent watched most of his videos, theres over 7 billion people in the world is it that hard to think that two of them had the same thought
290 likes@John Nirtamo like i said, i dont watch matpats videos
60 likes@John Nirtamo it's actually extremely common for groups of people to have the same thoughts, especially at the same time too. Theirs a whole phenomenon called "multiple discovery" that is all about two different people in two different places having the same idea and/or thought.
131 likesfor me, directly parallel to this comment, in the suggested videos column, is the video matpat made theorizing about the cat.
5 likes@Cult Python thank you :)
5 likesWhoa. You just made something click
4 likes@Xiprus724 im not sure if thats good or bad luck at this point
3 likesI hope not
10 likesShows like Rick and Morty are bound to have theories thanks to the way they are written
To say not to think about it too much ruins one of the main cores of the show
The whole don't worry about it thing cause the picked Rick episode (memes aside) to be hated by pretty much everyone
It's kind of Matpats job to make theories of what's popular. It's pretty much his whole youtube career.
6 likes@Cult Python like the scientists that discovered the exact same crystal in different parts of the world (mayne time crystals or non repeating patters idk anymore)
1 likeVeritassium mentioned ot in a video about patterns
1 likeBut in the same episode, he asks, "So no one's asking how I can talk?" So it isn't trying to say theories are bad but rather that theorizing everything in a show is bad
5 likesYea I remember seeing a thread where someone asked about what they saw in the memory thing and people started chiming in that to try and theorize about what the cat did is to ruin the whole point of it, and that the plot thread isn't meant to go anywhere.
0 likes@John Nirtamo you must have never done acid then
1 likeâI find the insinuation that I canât have fun and ask questions condescending.â Clearly it wasnât.
1 likeDefinitely not true. MattPat had Dan Harmon on his show before. And Dan said he enjoys his theories.
1 like@Kastral Dan Harmon does, but I can see Justin Roiland making fun of them. Dan Harmon is a big proponent of serialized drama, and Justin Roiland just wants fun episodic adventures.
0 likesMatpat tried to dig in to it and his conclusion was that we weren't supposed to dig in to it
1 likeIt took me a second to realize this wasn't about Tom and jerry
0 likesSeason 5 was pretty much nail in the coffin. I've understood they're making season 6, but I'm quite sure after that it's pretty much a dead horse for adult swim. Thankfully we have more Smiling Friends coming up in the future.
2 likeswell its nice to see how with the season 5 the show returns on the path of family drama
18 likesCan a fandom ruin the reputation of a show? MHA and RWBY would say so.
6 likesI've almost never solely view it from this lens, and it made alot of sense. I've always knew something was off about season 3 and that the fandom/popularity had influenced it to some degree but never knew hor or what specifically, until now tho because your points were totally spot on! It's interesting because this season Rick is a stark contrast to season 3. No longer omnipotent if not just as vulnerable as any other characters, and it's a season with more family drama involved although i don't think just because there is more family drama makes it a really great show, the balance in season 1 and 2 may not be properly replicated ever but at least season 5 has Abit more weight to it, relative to season 3 and alot more experimental. I'm glad that the writers are doing more of what they want rather than to specifically cater on the fandoms. Hopefully if the show ever blow up again, they won't repeat the same mistake they did for season 3
2 likesI understand the criticism of season 3, but I think the aimlessness was supposed to represent the effect of Rick on the family. Without the grounded, familiar input of Jerry, the family started to enter a downward spiral of becoming like Rick, and therefore most if not all consequences or meanings were devalued. Other theorists have said this before, but here are the general points of each season. S1: The family gets to know Rick. S2: The family and audience get to know Rick on a deeper level. S3: Rick toxifies the family. S4: The family learns and begins to become independent from Rick. I think everything that happened in season 3 was necessary for the audience to realize just how much influence Rick has on the family dynamic (the main narrative of the show), especially without Jerry. Season four was then the family realizing how unhealthy they are acting and rising above Rick's nihilism, finding purpose in things other than Rick. And I think a big part of that was Jerry. In 4x9 this change is illustrated perfectly. Rick and his daughter build a society of his "children" where nothing matters, and people are just valued on intelligence. Meanwhile, Jerry finds his own meanings and reasons for why things matter, shown through camping, and eventually gets God power, the power of "faith" if you will. Eventually, the two sides come in confrontation, and Rick is defeated by God only for the kids to kill God anyway, who themselves end up learning from their mistakes in the process. They realize that not caring about anything and being overconfident about their intelligence almost got them killed, and killed God in the process, basically symbolizing how nihilistic intelligence is the killer of faith and meaning. And yet, even as intelligence conquers God, God's corpse still crushes Rick's meaningless society.
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Enrico Pucci Pretty good summary all in all. Season 5 may be Rick having to undergo his own personal changes to figure out who he wants to be, and facing his problems more directly. He canât just rely on the family thinking heâs amazing, he needs to find his purpose
91 likesSo thats why the universe got reset.
47 likes@Nahuel Ahpa hes not doing anyones job, would you rather the show to blatantly tell you the reason behind every story decision themselves? Show dont tell, remember
66 likes@Nahuel Ahpa Why so serious?
13 likesThat's actually a really good insight into it.
15 likesHoly shit. God tier comment right there.
21 likesFuturama is overrated and it's not better than Rick and Morty
3 likes@Nahuel Ahpa
9 likesDo they need to spell it out for you.
They did it multiple times yet here you are asking for a more simple ass explanation.
Thank you, Father đ
8 likesI was about to type something along these lines, but you are put it in waaaaaayy better way than I could ever think of
1 likeUnfortunately the writing in season 4 was so bad that i didnt have the patience to finish it. Although i like your analysis of it and i could see the direction they were going after season 3 which seemed to solidify jerry as ricks ultimate foil.
2 likesi mean thatâs a cool idea, but itâs not worth sacrificing the quality of the show for
4 likesMaybe the show just sucks?
0 likes@Huck Mart I thought it was a well written season, what episode turned you off?
1 like@Mongo Bongo honestly i only remember three episodes, the toilet one, the dragon one and "you son of a bitch, im in!" Episode. I remember them more so because of how absurdist and off the wall they were. "Bad" probably isnt the right word to describe it. I just didnt think it was anything good. And the fact that i can hardly remember any of the season is telling of that.
1 like@Shannax The fans who read so much into something that they see meaning that is simply not there are some of the worst kinds of fans. Season 3 sucked for the most part, season 4 was trash, there is no way around it.
0 likesYes, there is a story arc in the show, but is irrelevant given the drop in quality the writing has suffered. Every episode sucks now so it does not matter the story the "big picture" is telling because there is nothing left in to show for the audience to cling to.
@El Dexo not serious, just stating the facts, but it does suck how a show that was so good all of the sudden becomes so bad, is simpsons syndrome all over again
0 likes@Nahuel Ahpa yeah youre throwing around "sucks" and "trash" yet you have given zero examples of anything
0 likes@Nahuel Ahpa you say that we're doing the writers jobs but at the same time youre saying the writers are giving us too much to work with? What?
0 likesSomeone who actually understand what they watch.
0 likesThis is a pretty accurate summary. I enjoyed reading this.
0 likesI genuinely still love every season
8 likesI get why emp shied away from the topic, but the staff changes in my opinion were the sole reason the show went downhill. We see it time and time again but people donât call it like it is because they fear backlash, but the moment Dan went on a woke crusade and hired based on checking boxes for âdiversityâ, everything went into the ground. Itâs a very simple concept really, if you hire based on qualifications and skill, you will do good and have good results. If you hire based on physical traits for woke points, you will go down, because you arenât hiring people for their skill or ability, youâre hiring because theyâre black, or trans or gay or whatever is popular today. And I know some are gonna jump on this and use their 3 brain cells to attack this claim like âoh so you think black/trans/queer people canât write good?â, to which I disagree. Thereâs plenty in these communities that are skilled creators, but thereâs also some that arenât, and if you have a pool of 3 people, 2 of them being average white artists with a wealth of experience, the last one a black trans artist with less than one year experience, itâs clear to see where the better choice is, and that choice isnât based on the personal traits of the candidate but their work experience, and people always ignore this and claim they were not chosen because they were black or trans or whatever. I wish people could use logic and see this conundrum for what it is but we donât live in times like that anymore everything is based on filling a quota now instead of focusing on quality, and these companies arenât going to grow or learn anything until they stop acting on behalf of being woke and appeasing people. Itâs like the saying goes:
2 likesGet woke, go broke
To me this is a show that makes me laugh and sometimes feel. Iâm cool with that. Also great video as always
1 likeI personally feel the show has never declined in quality.
0 likesMost people who call themselves nihilists cite works written by people who were trying to warn others not to think that way.
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To quote SFO: "When you got two people who based their actions on Nietzsche, and end up causing catastrophic atrocities on humanity, while constantly misinterpreting his message, you know you got someone's who's pretty tough to read", which leads to the more common quote: "People don't read Nietzsche, they read quotations of him and find them to be cool".
409 likesWhat people need to understand is that Nihilism is WRONG and only leads to stagnation.
146 likes@Nick the Pick not inherently u can take a Bojack lens on Nihilism where nothing matters objectively but that doesnât mean one should sit around and complain ab it all day do what u can with what u have regardless of weather thereâs inherent meaning in the universe
105 likes@Anthony That is also true. Sorry, what I meant was that shows like Bojack show why Nihlisim is wrong, and that you should do something about it rather than just do nothing.
75 likesThis is why I embrace absurdism much more than nihilism. Absurdism is like nihilism without becoming an edgelord.
103 likes@Nick the Pick nihilism is the fact that nothing has any objective meaning because meaning is subjective itâs not wrong
26 likes@Bender Bending Rodriguez Okay, thanks for clearing that up. But, then again, everything in life happens for a reason. Intentionally or not.
6 likes@Nick the Pick also the Rick and Morty view, âwhile it is true that nothing matters, that reality gets you no where.â
18 likes@Slender Man 186 Okay, I like that. The problem is, Rick and Morty(The show) doesn't go forward with this idea to make the universe a better place. It's awful for the sake of being awful, and that's what makes it bad.
6 likes@Nick the Pick thats not what the message of the show is at all. Its not about "making the universe a better place", its about valuing the things and people in your life (ie family) even if they have no intrinsic value in themselves (in other words dont be a Rick and just run away)
18 likes@Mumkey Maan Well, the show doesn't focus on that aspect enough. And I'm well aware that the show is about not making the universe a better place. Nor do I care. And in my opinion, the entire family aside from Rick, is equally as awful. The only reason I'm here is because someone recommended me this video.
5 likes@Kreiser_VII Nietzsche was mostly concentrated on being against the church and its obsession of subjugating mankind to an imaginary friend and as such wasting their lives because according to him every living being desires power and giving it to a figment of someone's imagination was just madness. And no, I didn't read Nietzsche, he was the subject of a couple of my philosophy classes so i know the tl;dr.
9 likesI'm going to quote you and say I'm a nihilist for the ironic value
4 likesItâs a whole clusterfuck of opinions up in here
16 likes@GTAmaniac Nietzche's Thus Spoke Zarathustra really hones in on this point. It's essentially about a man who can no longer understand society after spending time alone on a mountain and coming to the conclusion that God doesn't exist, although we do have to recognise that although Nietzche based a fair amount of his work on Kant and his views (although he is mainly in opposition) the Gay Science's views on nihilism are often in line with the more 'edgy' modern-day views we see today.
6 likesAnyways, thank you for providing a view on Nietzche that isn't completely based on the fact that he wrote Beyond Good & Evil and that's the only thing anyone actually bothers to read.
all these fake nihilists unwilling to either return to the universe's natural state or accept things with no intrinsic value and live as if they do
1 likeThere is no god. These youtube comments killed her.
3 likeswell, to be fair, theyâre not only self appointed nihilists, but nihilists, what did you expect them to do?
3 likes@uzeahos đto be fair!
0 likesWe believe in nothing Lebowski!
3 likesI cite myself, then say be an optimistic nilalist. I mean, life is, for me at least, peaceful. If there is more to life after death, that would be nice, but its fine to just pass away into nothing.
1 like@Nick the Pick But they are doing that. The family is stronger than ever and Rick could just fuck off if he didn't really want to be a part of the new law. But he doesn't, he continues to roll with the punches because deep down I think he understand that the only thing that makes any sense in this universe, is what close relations you can keep and nurture. They are making their universe a better one. If everybody did the same, the whole would be even better than the sum of its parts. But we all keep waiting for a heavenly Rick to come from up high, be the skies, politics or corporate, to sort shit out for us. In a way that doesn't require us to change too much about ourselves and isn't too painful.
0 likes@3kojimbles how would you return to the universe's natural state?
0 likes@Simon Petrikov 39 so you take a tide podâ
1 like"I dont give them a copy of Cather And The Rye and explain why Holden Claufield is such an intellectual. Well, he WASN'T an intellectual, he was a spoiled brat!" -Quagmire (family guy)
0 likesthey thought they were Ricks. But they are all Jerry-s
0 likes@Anthony like albert camus
0 likes@W0Y4K absurdism is the chad version of nihilism
0 likes@Primo itâs the edge lord version lol. Falling for insanity isnât chad itâs just being weak and lying to yourself.
1 likeGreat video, I love your channel. I disagree when you say enjoying content and being in the fandom go hand and hand. I enjoy a lot of media but I'm not part of any fandom. I still enjoy them.
1 likeThis video is absolutely amazing, because I come across arrogent fools who constantly talk about how the warp drive is way more complex and deep then anything written off of human flaws, and if you disagree then you're a "simpleton". Reading in between the lines is way smarter then understanding a warp drive, remember that.
1 likeSeason 5 is looking good so far, we can only hope season 5 can match the classics of seasons 1 and 2.
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Doubtful with female writters. the dynamic is gone forever.
1 like@Shiny Guy true, adding anyone new does causes change and a bit of limbo(its like any group, its kinda weird to just add 3 new people in the middle of nowhere)but its been a while and the writers have probably settled now so lets just see if its a good or bad change
1 like@Twoozy Uzi I mean a female mindset is now in the show and thats why they went all emotional and woke. I hate the new show. The first two seasons are like the first three seasons of sponge bob. Only ones worth the title.
1 like@Shiny Guy ah, this is not what i hoped for. Agree to disagree
6 likes@Twoozy Uzi I dont agree to disagree, i agree you cant argue fact with subjection.
0 likes@Shiny Guy ok, man
4 likes@Twoozy Uzi no reply guy over here ^
0 likes@Shiny Guy but i did reply, look im just not gonna argue against your opinion(i know you think its fact but saying a show went woke and emotional is mosty opinion) on a show cause thats kinda pointless
8 likes@Shiny Guy The Incel energy is strong with you. Honestly who gives a shit, they make a few tasteful references and a few jokes about that kind of stuff and then quickly move on. You're allowed to not like them but to say it ruins the show as a whole is stupid. And it most definitely is an opinion.
13 likesRick became the smartest man in the universe after he began watching Rick and Morty
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Or after he began looking at the front page of Reddit
1 likeFor what it's worth in its golden years Rick and Morty was legitimacy a gateway to philosophical concepts I didn't know who Friedrich Nietzsche was till the show started to get discussed. Something family guy and all that never really did. Now part of me absolutely died when you played those clips of Rick referencing Reddit and events like Gamergate like that stuff even matters given the philosophical concepts the earlier episodes brought for better or worse. The comedy of referencing a thing for the sake of audience response is what absolutely kills me with movies, hell Fortnite showed up in Endgame. it's so wince-worthy and dates a piece of media.
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Majin Melon
24 likesbro this comment doesnt even make any sense wtf are u talking about
I looked at your channel and you seem to make mediocre commentary style videos. I hope you aren't just saying you learned about Nietzsche a bit and stopped and that you kept looking at other continental philosophy.
8 likesSo Rick and Morty is "philosophy" for guys who never heard of Fredrick Nietzsche?
13 likesSounds about right.
To be fair you do need a very high IQ to understand Rick and Morty
0 likesDonât let these likes get to your head, this comment reeks of reddit brain and cringe faux intelligence
3 likesThe fuck?
4 likesYou really got educated on some of the most basic Philosophers in existence? He's right next to Plato literally if you look him up on wikipedia, now thats not to say he's a bad philosopher or anything but he's extremely misunderstood especially by the type of cynicism that the writers of Rick and Morty ploy when trying to be nihilistic and edgy.
Don't think or pretend that theres any difference between Rick talking about reddit or gamergate and Rick name dropping quantum physics, Schrodinger cat or Nietzsche they're both the same pop culture surface level references to get fans excited because "oh he said thing I know that thing yay!"
I just got some serious deja vu reading this commment
0 likes@Mcheetah I think so too. I don't like how emplemon deflects the blame from the diversity hires. A show never gets better when writers are added to "balance things out".
1 likeI actually didn't mind seeing Thor playing Fortnite since it was relevant to his downward spiral within the film's narrative.
1 like@Mcheetah I don't understand why you put so much trust in male comedy writers purely on the basis of being male.
2 likesLmao Pickle Rick's therapy scenes are some of the best. Apparently confronting characters directly, when their issues are destroying everybody around them is a no-no screenwriting rule. No-no rule!
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@Dancing Israeli "Watching rick get absolutely BTFO by some regular human was cathartic" i agree, i also think that was the reason why some of those people didn't like that; it was a scene that completely undermined their idolization of Rick
0 likesI had always been a pretty big Adult Swim fan, from the beginning i was watching and have always appreciated the AS lore, and history. I was pretty annoyed by Rick and Morty turning it so mainstream that i refused to watch it until recently, ive enjoyed it but it just never felt like an AS show... just not abstract enough
2 likesHey Emp, I've been watching your videos and I think they're pretty good. Even the rant ones.
0 likesHonestly had forgotten how annoying the fandom used to be thank god it I guess doesn't exist anymore but season 5 was great
1 likeremember: those that idolize rick are missing the point. Just because our lives won't matter millions of years from now that doesn't mean that we can't work to improve the lives of our friends and family in the now. I do my damndest to help my sister raise my Nephew because I care about the two of them deeply, and I want my nephew to have a healthy upbringing that will net him a better adulthood later in life. If someone were to tell me my efforts were a waste and that my nephew wouldn't matter in a million years I'd punch them in the mouth and say 'it may not matter then, but it matters now' and that statement would invalidate their whole sentiment
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I agree with you wholeheartedly, cynical people like that annoy me.
144 likes4chan ripping on a show for silly, nonsensical, edgy and irreverent humour is peak irony.
68 likes@Basi Wolf doesnât fucking matter it wonât.
8 likesActually it does, because If yoy didn't take the time to raise your kid well, then will grow up as a fucked up individual, and will use what they know to raise their kids and then those kids will grow up to be fucked up individuals. What you teach them now is what they'll teach their kids in the future. It's a butterfly effect. One small butterfly flap can create a burst of wind on the other side of earth.
86 likesIts a matter of perspective
2 likesLife is full of suffering, and if you think of life as meaningless then your suffering will be in vain
23 likes@Nicholas Dante yes of course, and sirinterweb literally said that. you're on the same page. but also, enjoy yourself! you only have your childhood, then your youth, then your middle age. enjoy it
0 likesThis philosophical belief is absurdism. If shit doesn't matter, give it your own meaning! Love people and live your life to the fullest because it is your life. That is the core response to Nihilism.
30 likesAs Ghandi (or someone else) put it "Whatever we do in life is unimportant, however, it is important that we do it.
6 likesI see youâre also in the uncle club đ
0 likesI recognize the pointlessness of life, however thatâs at an objective/general level. Is the universe indifferent towards my existence and actions? Most definitely. Is life pointless? Maybe, but ultimately, itâs not up to me to decide that for others. If people find life pointless, is because they havenât defined their own purpose and are hoping thereâs an objective reasoning as to why they are alive. Defining your purpose in life is completely subjective and no one can give you an answer to it except yourself.
2 likesAnd you know...you're right. You are absolutely right. And I respect you for it. :)
0 likesWholesome
1 likeYou could make the point without virtue signaling and pretending to be anywhere near tough but I agree little man
0 likes@Pipsqueack thatâs brilliant
1 likeGood for you, uncle. Hopefully your nephew is going to grow up to be the better person.
2 likesI think the apathy should the red flag.
@Daryl Zambrana I think Pixar's Souls does this better about the life purpose because your purpose of life is to live for the better and appreciate that you are already exist, just to live. It's a nice message.
4 likesBut does it really matter now? I mean weâre all gonna die eventually and our efforts wonât have really mattered, sure it might matter a bit now now but fast forward a hundred years and youâre just a memory if even. If you did or didnât do that the fate for all of us remains the same, and thats death.
0 likes@Kirb The Legend the point is the now
2 likesFor us humans the now is really All we have. Making the now matter to you and others is important. You make your own value
Way simpler answer is: You are alive today, not in a million years. Why should you care what the world is like in a million years when you only live to 80-90? You should try to make the best out of your 80-90 years on this earth.
2 likesBut, if it doesn't matter in a million years, why the hell does it matter now?
0 likesFor example, what would be the point of having fun, going to parties, doing fun stuff with friends, if, for example, you have an accident that erases your memory, and you knew it would happen? What's the point of learning something, if you forget it? it would've literally wasted your time.
Nothing matters, that's a fact, but that doesn't mean you can just make people unhappy.
God is the point, the answer is there, do some research, death is only the beginning.
0 likes@Jack Dunlevy Nah bro ima hang out with my one and only Wodan.
1 likeYour production value never ceases to amaze me! Fantastic visuals
4 likesIâve been saying this for a while. The show is fine, itâs just has a horrifyingly insane fanbase
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I love the show but the fans are something else
5 likesSame with Tool, love their music, absolutely hate their fandom
0 likesIâm a HUGE Rick and morty fan but I hate the other fans so much. I believe season 3 was the worst but season five looks pretty good so far. The mr. nimbus episode looks like they might further the story a lot more
3 likesthank you for finally letting me focus on why I hated S3 so much, why it felt so bland and inconsistent, and why I only liked 3 episodes of it. On the flip side, S5 was pretty good
0 likesEveryone wants to think that they are Rick... but in reality, theyâre actually Jerry
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I'm mister meeseeks, look at meeeee...
139 likesStop using those labels, they're dumb.
157 likes#deep. bruh
27 likesI don't understand why people think they want to be Rick. Both Rick and Jerry have traits that are good and bad but neither character is seen as something to strive for.
133 likesIsn't this comment a prime example of how the fandom is M.A.A.D. you really watched the whole video and didn't get the point of it
28 likes@Zo Fryer my maan
1 likedamn... đ
1 likeYeah no I donât want to be more miserable than Iâm now
0 likes@Cin Jerry isnt miserable, Rick is
3 likes@Sh Yep
2 likesI think myself to be more of the little robot that only object is to pass the butter.
2 likesWe would be happy if we were a Jerry
1 likeSeems about right
1 likeOnly a Rick would say something like this
2 likesTook me awhile but I've decided I would rather be Jerry than Rick !!!
1 likeNo one wants to be a morty? Aw jees
2 likesWhat if I want to be a Jerry?
0 likesSpoken like a true rick: IE a Jerry.
0 likesI think I'm Morty. Episode 1.
0 likesNo, I'm the butter bot
0 likesShanesSlothMunchies even if you're rick you realize you do want to be one and prefer to be a jerry or a morty instead
1 liker/im14andthisisdeep
0 likesNah, many think they are like Rick because they think he's cool, and in reality they probably actually are like Rick, but similar in the ways they don't recognise.
3 likesSimilar in his loneliness, depression, feelings of inadequacy and inferiority complex, nihilism, problems with social conduct and assholery to mention a few.
I don't think anyone should want to be like Rick. The reason the fandom sucks is because most of them love Rick and aspire to be like him.
0 likesthe thing is, at the end, Jerry is actually the best character, the only ones that get it, and in Rick words, the one that won
1 likeand, thats a good thing. This show makes it clear that between Rick and Jerry its Jerry that has the more well rounded life, yes he still has problems (who doesn't) but out of the two of them he is the closest one to being, happy.
3 likesNow a lot of people might jump to the "well happiness is bliss, ricks just miserable due to his curse to be smarter than everyone else" thats the reason rick would give for himself as well however this show, SHOWS how that's not the case. that a lot of it has to do with him just being a total jerk to almost everyone he meets.
@EndLaiser yeah
0 likes@é©ćœAscott if I can cry on camera will you subscribe?
0 likesThe majority of the folks that I've met are more like Summer.
1 likeYou know the drill.
@é©ćœAscott guess you really are more like rick. Just not that smart.
0 likesyou are the problem
1 likeThat's a good thing.
0 likesoh yes that's def
0 likesI'm more of a generictreesprite.png
0 likesThat would make a great episode. Jerry starts mimicking Rick and starts thinking he's just as intelligent as Rick because he acts like him so him must think like him too. Rick goes along with it till Jerry starts saying he's smarter then Rick. Rick goes off on him in a way that is like he's telling off the fans who think that way.
0 likes@Stoned Viking i mean tbh some of the deserve it
0 likesThat sounds so dumb
1 likei'm pickle rick
0 likesAmazing irony rick is the most human character in the series. Ppl identify with his flaws. Ppl dont see them as an hyper intellectual. Just ppl
0 likesyup. even you included:)
0 likesGOD DAMN JERRY
0 likesWhoever says they are just like Rick....stay far away from them-
0 likes@Piano Fry correct, though there is a character who you would want to strive for,its called NONE OF THEM
0 likesEveryone is afraid their Jerry.
0 likesI think Iâm a Beth but I think that might be worse than being a Jerry đ
0 likesThey're Morty.
1 likeI'm beekeeping Jerry
0 likesWhile I do agree in some reflections you make I have to say, season 3 was for me the best season except the last episode(where I completely agree with you), but I remember laughing and having so much fun at each episode(Especially Pickle Rick, I didnât even know this episode could be hated) and there was some good reflections on the episodes(How Rick fake memories realizes how solitary it is to be a âRickâ/ How Rick puts the message to Summer get out of the room when she wakes both him and Morty) and even if I thought the first half of season four was weak, I genuinely adored the second half(Especially Morty save points episode).
1 like20:25 OH MY GOD i just realized something.
6 likeslooking back at this, after the season 5 finale... it could be possible that somewhere around that time, rick created the central finite curve.
"somewhere along the way, rick transformed from the flawed scientist into the smartest man in the universe"
"the show only starts calling rick this in season 3"
i wonder if the creators had the curve in mind back then. if so, that redeems the weird writing back then for me.
also, they confirmed that the "made up backstory" rick "only used to escape prison" was actually real.
either its a big coincidence, they watched this video - or its just genius.
Iâm a person who loves Rick & Morty for all the aspects of the show you listed for why someone would love Rick & Morty. I genuinely think itâs one of the best tv-shows ever made, and not just animated, but of all tv-shows ever. Very much in the same way that I love Itâs Always Sunny. Which funnily enough are very similar in tone and cynicism, and rooted in the fact that they both Anti-Sitcoms. Only difference is oneâs live action and based in the real world, an absurd filled with absurd people doing absurd stuff never learning a lesson or moral of any situation while the other is animated and based in an extremely complex sci-fi meta-universe where literally anything could happen and will always catch subvert expectation though sometime will do the âexpectedâ but only ironically. Never in earnest, since the driving force of the how and why shit happens is a nihilistic asshole and sociopath with a God-complex and death wish motivated by suicidal tendencies rather than just recklessness.
0 likesLooks like Rick and Morty is finally back to the old style with Season 5 and I couldnt be more happy about it
2 likesI kid you not, he turns himself into a lemon. He calls himself âEmpLemonâ Funniest shit Iâve ever seen.
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I prefer Season 2, when he was just "Emp".
329 likesClearly this is a downward spiral because of all the women writers.
The emperors new lemon
136 likesI thought he turned into an emperor
30 likesIs that an insult to our kind?
31 likes@Killifar BROTHER
31 likesLemon Lemon Lemon Lemon Eyy How the citrus levels going my brother
21 likes@Killifar large
15 likesSomebody call the eđ ±ïžic police because this was the funniest shit I've ever seen
14 likesi see emplemon funko
4 likesi must consoom
Reddit moment.
2 likesLads, 'e turned 'imself into a lemon!
4 likesBloody funnny!
EmpLemon's wrong on this one. Rick and Morty is pretty bad. Its 'comedy' is terribly pretentious with Dan Harmon and Justin Roiland self inserting their weird fetishes.
12 likesHa.......l
1 likeim african american rick!!!
1 likei almost died reading this
1 like1memer i wish you a life full of blessings and may you have only daughters. :)
1 like@CherryCharris you know he was joking right? He was making fun of rick and Morty fans who said the show got worse because of it's female writers.
2 likesWell played.
0 likesUNACCEPTABLE.
1 likeTeasila Nagaram plenty of evidence to support it.
0 likesRemember when he's mostly known for YTPs instead of videos like this? What a turn of character indeed.
3 likesHe, hehe, heeh.
1 likeEveryone wants to think that they are Rick... but in reality, theyâre actually Jerry
0 likes@bum fricker I hope this a reference i don't get, not just blatant misogyny
1 like@Noor :] see Olaedo_007's comment above
2 likesi.e. Yes. it is blatant misogyny
no fucking way? how?
0 likes@Aspen72 how what? itâs blatant misogyny
0 likes@Noor :] wdym
0 likes@Aspen72 you replied to a comment of me saying I hope its a reference I don't get because the comment I was referring to said the comedy is going downhill because of all the female writers, and you said 'no way how'
0 likes@Noor :] i think you misunderstood me, i was replying to the og comment not the female writers one
0 likes@Aspen72 oh my bad, i got a notification that you replied to me. have a nice day
0 likes@Noor :] have a nice day too
0 likesOk now this is epic
0 likes@bum fricker fax
0 likesYknow i absolutely loved this show when season two ended. I was in my freshman and sophmore year of college and me and my friends would watch and talk about how crazy and hilarious the latest episode was. I remember my jaw hitting the fucking ground and howling with laughter at how fucked up the king jellybean thing was. We'd never seen anything like it...
1 likeIt was basically a year later and season 3 came with a bang after a long wait... and then the szechuan sauce happened. My local mcdonalds literally had to shut down for the day because of turnout and there were a couple of police cars in the parking lot. Then i saw.. that video... i was working in fast food at the time so i felt every ounce of that cashiers anguish.
I wrote off the show and told myself i'll revisit it when everyone shuts the hell up about it. But now that its not so obnoxious? I might have to pickup from where i left off. Great vid lemon<3
Iâve watched a few recent Rick and Morty episodes and havenât even cracked a smile much less let out a laugh. I seriously remember a time when I found the show rly funny. I dunno watch changed tbh.
1 likeI'm glad it's less about the family aspect. There are already wayyyy too many shows revolving around a family dynamic. One of the reasons I love Rick and Morty is because it's so different!
0 likesI always interpreted that capitalist rant with the toy train as a meta way of the show acknowledging that it had gone to shit, and I respect that. I think that the writers didn't have much of a choice, if the show doesn't please the audience then they don't have a job, etc, etc, etc,... and I felt like that was a sort of apology. Thanks to the long waits I think it'll go back to normal over time.
6 likes"Can a fandom be so insufferable that they damage their shows reputation beyond repair?"
6234 likeskpop
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As a snyder fan and the mcu fan, the snyderverse fandom and the mcu's fandom or at least a small part of them has become like this toxic superior group that look down upon you if you don't like what they like.
276 likes3 words. My hero academia. If you donât know you donât want to. If you do Iâm sorry.
384 likes@Spencer Galland unfortunately, I do.
77 likesThe Steven Universe fandom comes to mind
201 likes@Poras Srivastava What? Cringe.
8 likes@Spencer Galland Then any anime you can name cause you know weebs.
33 likes@Poras Srivastava Not just that, it's basically Marvel vs. DC in general. People keep calling someone a "fanboy" or "manbabies" for having different opinions from them which I find it immature ironically.
78 likesIf you like Superman, Marvel fans will call you out for nothing. Same goes for DC fans when someone likes Iron Man or Captain America. It's a neverending cycle of hate. Just let people like what they want and what they like.
@Weaboodo O incorect, the my hero fandom is a unique case of garbage among anime, its even worse than most
51 likes@Gortalla you mean the anime or the fandom?
1 like@Weaboodo O the fandom, the show itself is genuinely fine
44 likes@Gortalla pretty sure there are some good peep in the fandom.
1 like@Weaboodo O of course there are, most fandoms are made up of a majority of decent people
23 likes@Weaboodo O of course there are, most fandoms are majority good people
0 likes@Gortalla and that sucks cause the bad peep are generally the most loud.
15 likesleave twitter and the kpoppies suddenly stop being an issue, for the most part. every single toxic kpop stan is on twitter.
31 likesYeah I've stopped from watching JoJo because of how obnoxious the fandom is, listen to an old song and suddenly 14 years old in the comment section are having a stroke spamming "is that a JOJO REFERENCE!!!1!!"
33 likes@hand cleaning soap poor you.
5 likes@Weaboodo O Just talking about my own experience, nobody asked for your fake sympathy
21 likesWell if you think so.
0 likes@Poras Srivastava I donât care what u sayâŠ.Thor 3 was funny!
0 likesUndertale
8 likes@Spencer Galland what are you talking about
0 likes@hand cleaning soap agreed thankfully I don't see "is that a jojo reference" all over the place anymore but for a time it was inescapable and obnoxious
6 likes@hand cleaning soap if i may ask, what âold songâ is that?
0 likes@Gian Paguiligan literally look up any song by Queen Pink Floyd ACDC King Crimson David Bowie or Rush
5 likes@Mr. Friendship I honestly blame both companies for that though. They used to do fucking crossovers all the time but now both are to pissy to basically print money like that anymore
2 likesMCYT.
7 likesâMy hero academiaâ too
0 likesKpop more like kpoop
0 likes@Mr. Friendship dont you dare compare the ages-old marvel vs DC war with peasant squabbles such as these, my god man the nerve
2 likesDream SMP too
8 likesHonestly yea, been listening alot of BTS recently and thought that is not actually that bad.
5 likes@Dankington lmao
0 likesDamn at 26 minutes something I decided to take a look into the comment section and exactly when he started saying that sentence I read your comment perfectly synced what a funny coincident
0 likesK-pop isn't a show.
2 likesfallout new vegas
0 likesYes
0 likes@KalmoK that's a good mentality but I don't feel like watching it anymore though so you do you
0 likes@hand cleaning soap Yeah, some people can't have the same taste. I really watch R&M when I am going to sleep, but I still enjoy it well enough. But if JJBA's new season would come at the same time I wouldn't watch R&M at all tbh:D
0 likesPokemon and Halo
1 like@Spencer Galland MIDORYA X MIDORYA X MIDORA X MIDORYA X
0 likesDream Stans. Nuff said.
1 like@Toniee B lmao my confession is I actually donât like MHA at all but watched like 5 episodes then googled the characters and now I just read the fanficđ
0 likes@Moon Fish ay it has some baddies and even if I don't judge
0 likes@Moon Fish gl on your piano journey
0 likessonic fandom, and nintendos fandom.
4 likesi consider myself a fan of both, but i hate what the fandom does.
undertale
0 likesHonestly AOT fandom became so freaking toxic because of the new people that just wanted to see âChad Erenâ, I remember when everything was Marco memes. Some months ago I got harassed by a group of AOT fans for some days because I said I didnât hate certain character. Pathetic.
0 likes@Spencer Galland lol I love MHA and most anime, but Iâve never heard of a toxic fan base?
0 likesWhere do these people show that? Twitter or something? Genuinely curious
Oh I hate that show
0 likesDream
0 likesA lot of anime fandoms tbh, take bnha for example since thatâs the most obvious one. Other cartoon examples like Steven Universe come to mind as well or even video game fandoms like Fortnite or minecraft nowadays (at least from what I can see on mc YouTube videos). JoJo also has a relatively annoying fanbase due to how some people in the fandom love making references all the time (something which I used to do for a period in my life when I was younger until I matured a bit) but luckily I donât think thatâs ruined the reputation of the show beyond repair, though it has scared off some people from watching it
0 likesSteven Universe
0 likesBNHA Fandom has entered the chat: have we been summoned?
0 likesSonic
0 likesFanf
Fortnite
Fnf
FNaF comes to mind as a toxic fandom but I don't commonly see them as a toxic one. Sure, there is stuff like R34 and stuff and weird theories, but the actual people aren't as toxic as one like the car community reacting to electric vehicle. They say that EVs are toys and not actual cars. Or more like Teslas they're toxic towards, even though the points they make are mostly pretty bad and relate more to EVs than Tesla.
1 like25:52 is basically insulting people who don't read very old books in one of the parts of the copypasta about Fathers and Sons.
0 likesmha
0 likes@Spencer Galland FINALLY someone who has my same opinion, my friend's been watching MHA recently and is spamming me messages like HAHA THIS IMAGE IS TODOROKI BUT IT'S TODORONI SO IT'S PASTA AND LOOK AT DEKU WITH ALL MIGHT FACE HAAHAHAHAHAAHA
0 likesGOD STFU
Steven Universe; Melanie Martinez; Literally anything that sad teens thinking life is so hard uwu watch.
1 likei know some people have already said it, but the DSMP fandom (and âmodernâ mcyt fandom in general) has completely warped the internetâs view on the media itself. granted, minecraft content isnât for everyone, but the fandom got so large so quickly and everything went downhill SO fucking fast. itâs genuinely upsetting sometimes :/
1 likeMinecraft
0 likes@Kappu I wouldn't say it ruined Minecraft's reputation since they are multiple "mini-fandoms" in Minecraft that simply one mini fandom aka MCYT is toxic doesn't mean the others will since outside of MCYT there is the competitive side, the building side, the hypixel side, etc.
5 likesMCYT as a whole in the other hand It has been ruined. If you don't like MCYT you would just get harassed online just because you are not as obsessive as stans themselves are and if you do like MCYT you would just get harassed because they think you are as obsessive as the stans even though you are in the community because you watch some guy in a minecart testing mods in a desert laboratory when you are 11.
but kpop is doing fine......? BTS still consistently hitting top charts...?
0 likes@Sodapop The music isn't the problem. BTS makes great music.
0 likesIt's the drones of 14 year olds and 23 year olds (who ACT like 14 year olds) that are the problem.
@Sodapop my guy i just saw it pop up in my email list chill out
2 likesFurries
1 like@Sodapop found the BTS Stan
1 like@Liminality na bro I find kpop stans annoying as well. Its just that this statement is so wrong I can't help myself.
0 likes@Sodapop thatâs fair. I mean it seems pretty accurate, but I donât watch BTS or interact with the community at all. Plus the dancers are treated super poorly to begin with, and thatâs another issue with the band. The directors and the stans make the entire community bad. I donât have an issue with the regular fans or anything, youâre allowed to like stuff, but once it becomes an issue to other people.. thatâs when it becomes a problem
1 like@Dankington
1 likeWhile SU having one of the most degenerate worst excuses of a Fanbase ever around definitely harmed the shows reputation a good deal the show just being genuinely atrocious aside from a few good moments at the end of S1 and parts of S2/S3 definitely is a big part for its infamy too.
The bottom tier trash qualities of the show like the ungodly bad filler/pacing, abysmal """redemption""" of the equivalent of space h1tler, and the terribly lazy animation error is a large amount for why it's not just something that had its reception smeared by a bad community but is instead legit one of the worst series to come out of CN.
@Liminality Absolutley based comment. You can like what you want but obsession is never healthy.
2 likes@Mr. Friendship I never understood why people have a problem for liking the supposedly opposite property; I love both Zootopia and Beastars, Fallout and Elder Scrolls, Minecraft bedrock edition and the original Java title.
3 likesTo me there's really nothing that makes one worse than the other unless there's something objective like animation studios not putting enough time to create the necessary cells to make the animation smoother or something to that effect.
@Balazs Docs I'm annoyed at how pedophile is synonymous with child molester when semantically those are two entirely different phrases, I'm not dismissing those types as not a problem what I'm more saying is that there's a difference with connotations within the professional field of study.
0 likesRegardless of my personal problems about misunderstanding words I still don't stand on people going after children within these games, a good person would control themselves and activity not act on vile urges; it just disappointing to find people reacting based on a unchosen attractions, attractions aren't the choice but your behaviors and activities are, manage yourselves.
As a kpop fan... I agree 100%
0 likesliterally every fandom ruins every show nowadays bro
0 likes@Gortalla i felt this one, i got attacked by the entirity of twitter for preferring the manga designs of female characters and not liking how they get slimmed down into super models for the anime in some cases
0 likes@Dankington mind explaining what they do? I've been put of the loop for a while and I'm shocked that they're bad
0 likes@Gortalla the fandom is trash but the show is still really mediocre
0 likesRead this as he said it
0 likesI like the show but I hate the fandom
0 likesKpop was generic bs from the start
0 likes@Spencer Galland I like the show, then the first movie came out, I went to see it in my town. Couldnt hear the fucking movie over people yelling BEST GIRL or WORST GIRL in my ear. Fucks sake, this isnt rocky horror fucking picture show.
0 likesadventure time until finn ruined his love life in-show, and also around the time rebecca sugar left
0 likesThe answer to that question is one word...
0 likesAnime
@Spencer Galland
0 likesIm curious.
If im scarred its your fault.
Kpop is literally manufactured in a board meeting
0 likes@Spencer Galland I'm a lil older than you but Naruto was the same thing
0 likesThe onceler fandom.
0 likesJjba and these exact words "if you dont want spoilers read the manga" the worst part is that not all the mangs has been translated
0 likes@Weaboodo O some anime are fine (keep your hands off eizouken) (mob pyscho 100) (flcl) (cowboy beebop)
0 likes@Gortalla remeber jjba wait actually no bnha is worse jjb is on the high end of the suckieness but still is better
0 likes@hand cleaning soap i normally only do that on jojo videos now (a couple years ago i had a annoying af jojo phase)
0 likes@A quite tired guy yeah. Some anime are fine.
0 likes@Akumati honestly that was only a problem for the first 3 years now i see a couple fan projects a month and go hey thats cool
0 likes@atroqui9nine mainly just for people who watch youtubers for dream smp technoblade is awesome outside of dream smp same thing with wilbur(i think the only other thing i know him for is his arg) ranboo and lazarbeam
0 likes@Kappu i think modern hermitcraft is still great and same with the hardcore games
0 likes@Puddah doesn't matter still toxic af
1 like@egg oh I know just saying.
0 likesFive Nights At Freddy's is another good example
0 likes@Poras Srivastava huh? what? some of the trashiest money grabs in history and the fans are snobs? LOL.
0 likes@Poras Srivastava MCU/DC makes sense, but particularly the movies⊠sillyâŠ
0 likesI've listened to a few kpop songs that i like, i dont really care at all about the crazy shit that jimin stans say on twitter. I dont have a twitter.
0 likes@Akumati still havenât seen really any significantly bad shit from undertale fans
0 likeshomestuck. imagine making the most ambitious and elaborate multimedia shitpost of all time and then having tumblr girls pick it up
0 likesThe miraculous ladybug fandom comes to mind.
0 likesImagine being allowed to just enjoy a show
6 likesSeasons 3 and 4 each had several really good episodes that show the show can still be incredible
0 likesThis was so well done.
0 likeslove how the Geowizard straight line mission theme just started playing
3 likes"It's not just a show about an anti-hero, it's an anti-show."
858 likesThis line right here perfectly sums up why animated shows like Rick & Morty and BoJack Horseman are my favorite shows in the last decade. They both take so much cultural history that's been previously established in America media and constantly reframe and question it.
Not to mention, I love the lack of limitations animation brings to the table when touching on serious topics. Rick's attempted suicide would be impossible for me to watch if it was live-action, if it was attempted with a gun or pills, instead of a sci-fi thingy machine that's generally beyond our comprehension.
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I wouldn't consider Bojack to be an anti-show like R&M. Bojack does follow a pretty standard series of events like any other show, it just gives a fuck-ton more nuance and humanization compared to other shows that step into those kinds of topics.
47 likes@Kaweta I think bojack horseman is definitely an anti-sitcom. The show originally presents itself like a goofy animated sitcom, but quickly becomes much more. The show presents a long storyline that runs through the entirety of 6 seasons, instead of resetting each episode like a traditional sitcom.
33 likesHowever, the show most importantly uses it's sitcom-like appearance as a contrast to the reality of the show and to highlight a source of Bojack's depression. One of the main messages of the show is that there isn't always a happy ending and problems don't always get closure, in stark contrast to the messages of a traditional sitcom. Bojack had a miserable childhood, so his idea of a normal life comes from his time on horsin' around. However, this depiction of life is very different from his actual life. He constantly strives for an idealized, perfect life, and is constantly disappointed in himself when faced with reality.
@Kaweta Eh, I would. Because when most shows in the past touched on things like MI and abuse, they tended to use those subjects as just window dressing and motivation for characters being "evil" and "violent". They simply glorified the subject matter. But BJH directly addressed that and many other thing, like Hollywood corruption, sexism, and a long list of other heavy subjects that are just used as plot points in other shows w/o be given proper respect or nuance. So, I would totally classify it as an anti-show: anti-hollywood culture.
9 likesBojack isn't an anti-show. It may have looked like that in the first season, and of course it parodies a lot of stereotypes (but which show doesn't), but in the end it is a very honest series about very real themes.
5 likesYou know I'm actually really glad that BoJack never quite got the obnoxious fanbase that Rick and Morty eventually got, but then again I do think that it was always the more mature show, especially when it comes to its standout dramatic moments.
8 likes""It's not just a show about an anti-hero, it's an anti-show."
0 likesThis line right here perfectly sums up why animated shows like Rick & Morty and BoJack Horseman are my favorite shows in the last decade. They both take so much cultural history that's been previously established in America media and constantly reframe and question it. "
What is that even supposed to mean? Like is it because they name off tropes and sterotypes, and found out about anti-humor, maybe because they have a meta narrative and faux meaning shoved in?
Yes they're "definitely" the first shows to be deconstructionist but lets also praise them for calling out shitty lazy writing by intentionally being shitty trope filled lamp-shading writing then not actually going on to show a better way of doing it, its fine to call out or parody a trope but you need to actually then show something better than that trope, you can't just say "haha aren't fart jokes so bad and cliche" without a follow up or you're being just as bad but with a lazy level of "irony"
They both try to subvert expectations but its so shallow that the subversion themselves are at this point cliches in themselves.
Bojack is by far neither the first nor the best "anit-sitcom" Theres been a million sappy drama fake sitcoms where characters seem like typical sitcom characters but with realistic shitty traits who never change or develop and constantly break the episodic formula and honestly in my opinion the best comedy anti-sitcom is probably always sunny because it actually uses its subversion to be humorous and plays off it to make better humor not just say "hey this writing sucks haha now laugh at it anyways"
1 likeReframe and question cultural history? Bro, its rick and morty. Its not the first show to question society. Its not that deep
3 likes@Kaweta Bojack goes against a lot of tropes. The "hero" doesn't get the girl, there is no happy ending and everything doesn't just reset after the 20 minute mark.
3 likesIt doesn't really feel like an anti-show, especially when it's so fused with mainstream culture. Probably because I don't see nihilism or convention breaking as counter-culture anymore.
1 like@joshin'round im sorry the most complex thing you can understand is a sit com for stoned teenagers so that you feel the need to apply some great value to it to make yourself feel better.
0 likesDeeply sorry
some guy
0 likesBojack is pure awesomeness
season 5 seems to be starting to take away ricks power more and more
11 likesThe show never has gotten bad for me.
1 likethe rick and morty fandom claims to be one of the smartest ever, yet doesn't understand that liking and relating to a character doesn't mean you should identify with them. i wrote a character who screwed up his entire life, embraced his anger over trying to control it, lost the girl of his dreams, and then died trying to redeem himself and i don't identify with him at all. i can relate to screwing up and losing someone, and i do enjoy the arc i put on him, but i wouldn't exactly base my personality around him, although i did incorporate elements of my own life into his, he's still nothing like me
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yeah. itâs just bizarre how many people want to embody such a miserable person.
4 likesNow everyone just hates Rickđ€·đœââïž
1 likeMy man out here writing Darth Vader. Nice.
0 likesHonestly I just stumbled across episodes of the show like, fuckin 3 days ago, and I realized there was a reason why I was into that show. Like shitâs good. Donât let the fandom ruin it for you.
1 like"You had people trying to dissect the greater intellectual meaning behind Mr. Poopybutthole" is sentence that nobody on planet Earth ever expected to hear and that is hilarious
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I was hoping I would find this comment and not have to right it myself, thanks bro đ
15 likesI'm still hoping for something to come of that they redid the intro and everything for him and then never really brought up that something was going on with him
0 likes@ïŒłïœïœïœïœïœâïŒąïœïœïœïœ (代ć ăœ) yeah I get that just seems like alot of work for not a great joke oh well they made up for it with pickle Rick anyhow
0 likesGoddamn, literally all of Emps videos have such an immaculate vibe.
1 likeBut to be fair, you have to have a very high iq to understand Empl-
This video is bizarre in it's direct cohesiveness.
9 likesYou have a skill/talent. I could not look away
I especially enjoyed your incorporation of the adult swim bumper format/music and did an emplemon keeps commercial using Rick's male pattern baldness for continuity
The ingredient in keeps work. I used a prescription for it from my Dr for years and all the hair around my forehead grew back also my bald spot disappeared completely.
I watched this video and then binged the entirety of Rick and Morty. Season 5 dives into time travel and fighting gods, two things that Rick has repeatedly said that he doesnât fuck with. I really, really liked the show, though. Thx for the vid Emp!
1 likeHere after watching Season 5. Looks like the show's finally getting back on track by focusing on the family again.
1 likeRick and Morty is that show you're embarrassed to mention around friends, but when watching the show you realise how good it is.
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Accurate. There are several shows like this.
7 likesTbh I, only really like the episodes that make you think, like the one where they went into a universe in a battery
24 likesI don't really care for the more useless or fun episodes
That hits home fr
0 likes@Ziggy Moondust he has a shaggy profile picture what else did you expect
38 likes@Majin Melon website bad
7 likesI think that's mainly an internet thing. People IRL just like it
2 likesFunny because for me thatâs everything but rick and Marty
1 likeI feel that way about Totally Spies :(
2 likesthat kinda mindset is something i think also applies to a wide variaty of shows and genres, specifically anime. i fucking love beastars, neon genesis evangellion and cowboy bebop, and those shows are really really great, but i dont ever wanna bring it up with my family or friends because of the disgusted looks id get from everyone.
7 likesI got a bit lucky, I got into it season two before it was cringe to like it and told my friends about it.
1 likeDarci ăHeads Will Rollă brilliant
0 likesWhatâs good about it? No real plot, dumb humour mixed in with nihilist philosophy? Thatâs so pretentious and DUMB.
3 likes@Emily G. ? do Rick and Morty show at the greatest sho
0 likesI call those 'Guilty Pleasures' ;)
0 likesthe first two seasons had such great ideas for every episode idk what happenend
2 likesI'm not embarrassed by things like that xD
2 likesIdk me and my friends wouldn't think less of each other just because someone watched a certain show, especially since this one isn't even cringy.
Don't put so much attention to such things, it's their problem if they think less of someone just because he watches a show they don't like
@Szczypior ikr what kinda friends do they have, a friend of mine watches riverdale and no one cares
0 likes@Squidward damn your friends sound dry
0 likes@Deckard Please explain how it's pretentious and dumb.
2 likesI guess I'd agree that it's largely dumb fun, but I think it's also often very clever in its dumbness.
Same with Thomas The Tank And Friends
1 likeMy friends actively make fun of me for watching it
1 like@vaccinesguy That's kind of mean honestly. Have they watched it at all?
2 likesWatching it obviously doesn't make you a 300+IQ god, but it doesn't make you anything bad either.
Majin Melon season 4 is the worst tbh
0 likesliterally my whole high school watches this show, not really embarrassing
0 likesWut, I got many friends who watch this
0 likesIts one of those peices of media you genuinely enjoy but are embarrassed and ashamed to even talk about cause you dont want to get put into a box and be stereotyped and criticized
0 likesHaven't watched R&M since the first episode of season 3 due to interests in other things and I think I unintentionally made the right call, it seems like it's became what people thought the show was like based on the fanbase.
1 likeAnd good GOD were those references fucking painful đ€ą
really well put together video :) good work!
0 likesRick and Morty seasons 1 & 2 - Rick was an imperfect, nhillistic, cynic like the rest of us, but he had power via his intelligence which is what we all wanted
3 likesRick and Morty seasons after 2 - Rick was a godlike person who was far less relatable
5:52 Okay quick little tidbit! This art here is done by the amazing artist TinyPainty (Michelle Fus)! Just wanted to mention it cuz a lot of really talented people work on these scenes for adult swim, and some of her work is absolutely stunning!
1 likeWhile I agree with your view on season 3, it was still pretty interesting and fun to watch lol
1 likeRick and Morty still has good final episodes and first episodes in the seasons. Rick leaving in season 2 probably was the new direction they were taking because some of the best episodes they have were when Rick was apart from the family. The man was going through a divorce and his future was uncertain in all of season 3 and a co creatorâs attention was divided, so pressure adds up. I think it still has great stories to tell
0 likes5:27 now that ive watched it myself.. Not a lot actually changed with the show. Its kind of just the same as it was. Feels kind of repetitive at times actually. It has a verry specific kind of message I guess, and it uses different unique and wacky situations to pull out that message in different ways. It just kind of asks the question "does anything matter if everything is replaceable?" over and over.
1 like26:52 again now that ive watched the show... This doesnt really make sense chronologically. They called him the smartest man in the universe episode 1. I know the season 2 cliffhanger got some hype, but was that really the point when the fandom got out of control? and was there enough time in there for it to actually effect the show. If there was, then I can see why they thought they had to spell it out for everyone in pickle rick.
31:08 id argue its rick and morty with less steps. I mean, it feels like rick and morty if you took out rick and morty. Its boring.
The pickle Rick episode is a emblematic of the entire show, great writing and episode overall but overblown
0 likes"The truth is that EVERY fanbase has itâs âtoxicâ side, and thatâs because every fanbase has a huge variety of ages, a huge variety of opinions, and a huge variety of maturities. There will always be people who irritate you, inside and outside of any fanbase. Thatâs not a fault of the fanbase, itâs a fault of people, and weâre all guilty."
724 likes- Scott Cawthon
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You hit the nail on the head with that quote.
23 likesA lesson I learned the hard way
16 likesI can't blame all for the bad of a few.
Unless it's Jojo's in which case the annoying side of the fanbase is like 80% of it
42 likes@Some Guy cope
23 likesWell, shit...
0 likes@Deo Vindice TBH with Undertale,The fandom's toxicity has downgraded a lot in these years
4 likes(I mean,Who even mention the game at this time?)
I don't even think there's a huge variety of maturities these days in all of modern society. It's either infantile...or...no, that's it.
4 likes@Phantasmagoria You mean he hit the nail on the head of the Cawthon
4 likes@Deo Vindice While I don't disagree with your general point, toxicity really is a thing all fandoms have. We just don't notice it most of the time because the work isn't popular, or the fans don't have a big online presence, or the culture keeps the toxic people separated, or nobody outside the fanbase cares, whatever. Having certain demographics/tones/reputations/etc makes any toxicity that does arise in a fandom much more likely to spill out into popular consciousness and become what everyone hears about, but it doesn't mean they're the only ones that have it.
6 likesActually taking criticism seriously, using said criticism to his advantage, able to keep folks wondering what he's gonna do next with his work and understanding the idea of fandoms better then every 'journalist' who claims that being a fan of something means you're a racist, sexist jerk or some sexual deviant (depending on what you're a fan of), on top of all that, he keeps a humble head and is able to admit when he makes mistakes and take accountability. That Scott kid has one good head on his shoulders
5 likes@Deo Vindice Mick Lauer is a fan of Jojo and he's a great person. I don't like the show either though.
3 likesI don't like long quote so this is invalid
0 likesThe god has been spoken
1 like@Some Guy
1 likeBoy you missed the bullseye by like 20 thousand feet
Very true fax
0 likesDon't forget my hero academia. That fanbase is toxic af.
3 likes@YahImTalkingToYou
6 likesThey are on the same level as the steven universe fanbase
The my hero academia fanbase harrased the Japanese staff because some things are "problematic" like Deku being born on 4/20
@ImmaLittlePip exactly it's so stupid. They force their ships om everyone and complain about Momo's outfit and that the creator is sexist but she's only dressed that way because of her quirk. Plus that one dude with spiky red hair is shirtless in his costume but no one cares cuz he's a guy.
6 likes@YahImTalkingToYou
4 likesNot to mention they harras the Japanese animation studio because the characters aren't "fat enough"
@JOHN JOHN "I cant differentiate between good or bad quotes, so I'm gonna say they are all bad so I get smart points for being a cynical asshole"
9 likesBrutal Honesty version of the above, 1969
(the comment I was answering was deleted lmao)
@Deo Vindice when a show becomes big and successful the more likely the fandom will be cancerous
1 like@Pink GhostFace its a little more complex: the curve of fandom assholery makes it so really obscure shows (say ASCII Sector, a pretty obscure game) have real nice fandoms because if you misbehave the other members will instantly know that you're an a-hole and kick you out, while completely mainstream shows (say franchises like the MCU or
3 likescrappy80s sitcoms that everyone watched) have the a-holes be spread between all corners of the world.Shows that have gained a large following but are still their own fandom (instead of being part of the culture or a really big franchise) frequently have jerks everywhere because the fandom is so large no one can keep track of all of them yet so small their presence is very noticeable.
Rick & Morty is most probably not seen by everyone but its following is very large, and it isnt part pf the culture nor a franchise, so naturally the fandom was extremely toxic until its popularity began to die out
yes, here's the show less buttonI definitely agreed with Scott Cawthon with this quote. People on the Internet may have a good or bad reason to hate a certain group, but they failed to realize that there are a nice and friendlier side of the group who are enjoying what they want. The good fan even has issues with the toxic fan in terms of harassment and bullying.
1 likeUnfortunately, the Internet haters said, "This horrendous piece of garbage show is the reason why terrible fans exist!"
Is this even the show's fault for being held responsible for the recklessness of the toxic fan's behavior? If I were the creator of a TV show, then I would be shocked about that. It's not the show that takes the blame for the toxic fan's behavior but the fans themselves. There's always be the bad apple that rots the entire barrel and the fandom won't accept that guy for the terrible things they did.
@Always watching It's basically the toxic side, not the entirety of every fandom in general. There's a always be the good side but they aren't noticed.
1 likeI always loved the family aspect the most in this show
0 likesThe show is still amazing, people just love hating on popular shit, plus the video wouldn't be getting views if he was just loving it
0 likesYou know what's cool? Maybe AS listened to you. There are numerous scenes in season 5 where Rick is stripped of all the weapons he has inside of him that would make him unbeatable.
3 likesI hated the Pickle Rick episode but it had some absolutely stellar animation.
1 likeRick and Morty gives you two choices:
3622 likes> Praise it and sound like an oblivious pseudointellectual
> Criticize it and sound like an oblivious pseudointellectual
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True
45 likesBe silent
91 likesScreaming pickle rick in a macdonalds makes me a pseudo intelectual.
208 likesA strange game. The only winning move is not to play.
136 likesAlex F. Yes, yes it does
3 likes> Just point out it attracts pseudointellectuals and shut up
31 likescant like
0 likesPellbort
10 likesSay âit alrightâ and profit.
âWell, the important thing is that youâve found a way to feel superior to bothâ
17 likesPellbort not very good options to be honest
1 likeIt looks like the only logical thing is to keep your thoughts to your self...
clearly the only way to respond is to make loud ape sounds
5 likesI like the show but I canât say I like it without someone I know saying that I idolize Rick and Iâm trying to be like him cause Iâve always been a pessimist I understand rick is supposed to be a character you donât like
5 likesThe only way to win, is not to play
1 like@Cactusmanofdestiny No. The word Pseudointellectual can be spelled like that, or Pseudo Intellectual, or Pseudo-Intellectual. All three are technically correct. But in most other cases where you use "Pseudo" as a prefix, there should be a "-" between "Pseudo" and the other word. ie, "Pseudo-InsertWordHere."
4 likesYou can always win, every time, by recognizing that you only need not to play, but to spectate.
1 likeâI have no strong feelings one way or the other.â
2 likesIt's just a funny show. Enjoy it simply and don't worry about it.
6 likes@Justin S and don't be trashy I suppose
1 likeCan't we just like something without being categorised?
2 likesWhat's a Rick and Morty?
0 likesOr appreciate it for what it is without being a freak
0 likesC A P
0 likesYour name is Pellbort
0 likesI'd say four choices, the other two being
0 likes>Quietly enjoy the show
>Quietly be disinterested in the show
Pellbort or just like it and acknowledge it's flaws like a causal fan that has nothing to do with their iq level
0 likesBe silent.
0 likes>Criticize it and sound like a human being.
0 likesFTFY
@good boi always
0 likesyou can also just enjoy the show and acknowledge its good points and shortcomings and enjoy your day without taking yourself too seriously lol
1 likeIf I where a writer for some show and if I noticed my fandom becoming like this I'd just pull a 180 and piss off the fandom intentionally just to see what chaos might develop.
0 likesOr just be dumb and think itâs funny like me lmao
0 likes@Whatsit tooya I know my hyperfixation can make me seem intelligent but I'm sure I'm not a genius, my linguistic abilities only has improved since I took on second language acquisition.
0 likesAnyone else notice that like 80-90% of the crowd in that picture at 3:50 are ricks? All of the obnoxious Rick fans think Rick is a hero and that they are just like him, it perfectly sums up the fandom
2 likesI swear fandoms run amok ruin everything that's creatively genuine good quality
1 likeI know you made this a while ago but this video is incredible keep up your amazing work and talent
0 likes28:12
0 likesThis actually just made me wince. There is no excuse for this being on television
"Pickle Rick won this show an emmy"
1007 likesAnd not the season 2 finale?
Saddest shit I've ever seen
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Bet you don't even clap at all the pop culture reference.
80 likesI like Pickle Rick, if only for the absurdity of it. The memes did taint it.
64 likesRick turns himself in to the Galactic Federation > Rick turns himself into a pickle
40 likesI burp TURNED MYSELF INTO AN EMMY MORTY, IM EMMY RIIIIIICKđ„đ
13 likesThe season 2 finale was really good, but there were also better episodes in season 3... Tales from the Citadel definitely deserves some kind of award, and the first episode of season 3 was also really good
27 likesThis shows you what kind of content wins Emmys
3 likesHe turned himself into a pickle? I CLAPPED WHEN I SAW IT!
3 likesIt tells a lot about our society.
2 likesBottom text
@cookieface80 I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT!
0 likesFunny how people ordained Rick and Morty as the smartest show on TV yet Futurama's writers had multiple PhDs
1 likeThe fact that he took the piss outta matt patt and marketed a product at the same time is the most impressive part of this video đ
0 likesIâd love to see a follow up video after season 5 airs, one of the episodes really made me feel disgusted in a way I canât explain
0 likesI actually really like this video I come back literally everyday to watch it again and it seems like every time I do I pick up on something I didn't before good job dude
2 likesPeople finding excuses to say they are smart is the funniest shit
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Was that a smart comment?
9 likes@Rob Define smart
13 likes@Felipe Castrege Luque me.
39 likes/s
@Felipe Castrege Luque my momm
6 likes@Felipe Castrege Luque cheeseburger
5 likes@intestinal obstruction gaming See? that's smart. Finally a guy with a good idea
14 likes@Rob Picke Rick
0 likes@Dead one eye: the skeptical bastard the mirror
1 likeYeah
0 likesI watch Rick and morty and Iâm probably the dumbest person alive lmao
0 likes@Buttmunch same i keep failing math class
0 likes@Buttmunch I doubt it, give yourself time and you'll find something you excell at
0 likes@incinium z so I'm funny? Thanks man
0 likes@im fine im okay Well I was talking about myself, actually
0 likesIâm a huge fan of this show but I also wasnât aware there was so much societal prejudice against the fandom. I actually thought season 3 was one of the best seasons of the show (behind season 1), while season 4 was probably the worst for me. I love this show and am not ashamed to wear some of its merchandise lol
0 likesi feel like lot of the problems he describes in the show are kinda fixed in season 4 and especially 5
1 likeYou can definitely tell the writing suffers a bit because of the female writers in certain later episodes. At one point I remember Summer and Beth making cringey man-bashing jokes you would expect from a feminist writer as opposed to a clever writer. Fortunately though if you look at the credits you can tell that the men still do the heavy lifting most of the time saving the show from turning into complete garbage.
1 likeI'm not one of those fans who doesn't recognize everything he's addressing in this video but I still have enjoyed the show, even in these most recent seasons.
0 likesI haven't seen a fandom destroy its own media since Homestuck.
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Well said
20 likesIt keeps happening.
35 likesThank you
2 likesCare to explain?
6 likes@Michal Dworakowski How free is your afternoon?
27 likes@madcat789 Well its 19:34 here where I live sooo yea pretty free. Also is it going to be abaut paint and buckets spiting?
6 likes@Michal Dworakowski No, it'll be how the fandom took over the object of their affection and fucked it over.
5 likes@madcat789 ahhhh Homestuck 2/^2
13 likes@Michal Dworakowski That's all that's needed to know.
7 likesHaven't you seen Undertale? Also ruined by the shitty part of the fandom.
28 likes@Silver Where do you think their fandom came from?
20 likes@madcat789 ah yes the gaypocolypse
5 likes@Silver You mean 'the only part of fandom'?
6 likes@K. Flynn ekhm Homestuck 2 ekhm
5 likes@Balto Farlander it keeps hapening bro
2 likes@K. Flynn I told you about stairs
7 likes@Alexey Saranchev no he meant the loud minority
1 likeeeh Homestuck was never good
2 likes@Silver
8 likesHow was Undertale ruined by the fandom? Did Deltarune change anything about itself to appeal more to fans?
Oh yeah, homestuck is a depressing example of a fandom literally destroying its media directly. The epilouges and its "pseudo" sequel are the result of this and you can see for yourself why they're god awful. Hussie is currently making a new project and I hope the Fandom doesn't put its dirty hands on it
7 likes@The Band's Call Hussie himself has become an echo of what he used to be and sadly, I don't think it'll ever change. At least HS2 is dead.
5 likes@madcat789 at the very least, he had a miniscule part in the sequel, the fanfiction writers took the mantel
0 likes@The Band's Call Aye, but he let it happen. it can all be drawn to him.
2 likesi hate you for reminding me of this comic that consumed my entire quarantine experience
2 likes@Mercury
0 likesiâm assuming op means the original thing has been directly worsened by the fandom
thatâs just the usual âgood until you think about the fandomâ deal
Undertale, FNAF, Steven Universe, MHA. All good shows and games ruined by massive fandom
2 likes@Pines making a lotta assumptions calling MHA good
2 likesHappened with RWBY too
1 like@madcat789 hs2 isn't dead is it? They just said there won't be any bi monthly updates & they'll just dump it all-out once it's finished. At least that's what I thought
0 likes@Clone149 Nope. It's shut down. All dead. All progress has been halted.
0 likesI think the fact it can be compared homestuck or under tail is reason enough
1 likeother then undertale
0 likesI would also say Hussie helped the fandom destroy the media by not giving a fuck anymore, if he hadn't let the fans take it and just ended Homestuck as it was it would've been much better.
0 likesI would love to see ball fondlers as itâs own spin off show
0 likesi would argue that season 3 was when the series started to get good. the fever dream hyperviolence nihilism rainbow slick phamtasmagorian reality really sharpens the focus on the theme.
0 likesI think the show has the potential to return to having more heart.. and kind of is already as of season 5 so far..
0 likesWell Evil Morty's actions in the s5 finale should basically fix the issue ofRick constantly being the smartest man in the universe from season 3 onwards
1 likeTo be fair, you need to have a very high IQ to understand EmpLemon.
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sauceboy bryh
3 likesNo
1 likeMan listens to gorillaz D sides, he built different, very well done video, I can tell you put a lot of time into it , and you bring up a lot of good points , some I haven't considered and many others probably haven't either such as though the fandom has influenced the show and the dulling out of the Smith family to all be a little bit more like Rick , completely changed what made rick an interesting and standout character in the show.
0 likesI love how the fandom hates season 5, even though it looks like theyâre trying to get the show back to where it was before
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I just found season 5 not all that funny and poorly paced
3 likeswait they do?
3 likesits as good as season 1 and 2 for me, if not better.
Unpopular opinion: I donât like the first 2 seasons aside from standout episodes like Rick getting arrested. People say the show became ironically nihilistic, but I saw it gain a new energy, grow more nuanced as it broke itself. Rick turning into this god-level monster made me feel seen as a dysfunctional individual. Your day-to-day misery snowballs into a life where you float outside conventional relationships to people and reality. Thereâs no foresight or narrative growth, but just waves of disfunction pulling you back and forth.
2 likesThe season 3 premier is, without a doubt, one of the best episodes of television I've ever seen. It was so creative and so much fun that it's impossible to expect the show to ever duplicate it.
0 likesThe therapist scene is kind of the opposite, even though I liked the rest of Pickle Rick. I knew what they were trying to do as I watched it, but this is a show where, as stated here, moments of saccharine tenderness would get fourth-wall destroyed at any time. Sincerity can't solve every problem, and conventional psychological "you know what your problem is" talks are not a good enough answer for the kind of nihilism that these characters live in.
When Rick says "love is just chemicals" I immediately thought of the "Hypocrite that you are to trust the chemicals in your brain to tell you they are chemicals." Meme.
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Not a bad point, actually. The one who goes on living in a world, that he knows can be scientifically deconstructed, will be stronger than someone who just gives in to fate.
82 likes@Deadliest Vice Science fails and that makes science, science. Of course that things like math and physics can be explained but chemistry requires a lot more "lab" work for good answers.
87 likes@Ilya The purpose of science is to figure out how the world works by calculating, analyzing, examining, and experimenting the living and the elements.
37 likesi mean, reality in theory may just stop existing, or maybe it never did. Because we get very bit of information from our eyes, ears, nose, tactile sensations etc.
6 likesAnd there's like an actual theory about reality just not being. You could be a brain floating in space who made it all up to keep itself entertained
@another random internet guy Yes and that theory is extremely frustrating because you can't argue for or against it
11 likes"Okay you got arguments or evidence to back it up?" "Nah bro it could be true but there's no way to disprove it so everyone now has to take this "theory" seriously"
@Random Username similar with God and religions and other quantum physics theories tbh, but Boltzmann brain theory I was talking about was proven wrong tho.
8 likes"Will you fight? Or will you perish like a dog?"
8 likesAnd paraphilia is when particular parts of the brian is crosswired to find this unusual or rather extreme thing as either or both romantically and erotically satisfying, in this instance "Love is just chemicals" hits stronger than most; you get that depressed feeling that you'll never find a consenting partner that'll play out your dark fantasies that you repress every chance possible just to keep your humanity in check.
2 likes@Ilya thermodynamics, astronomy and cosmology have entered the chat
0 likesExactly
0 likes@Random Username it's just a thought experiment though. As you mentioned it's not really a testable hypothesis putting it more in the realm of philosophy than any hard science.
1 likeYou are right about people often misunderstanding this though, like with the simulation theory. Drives me crazy when people bring that up as an actual argument...
@Zwenk Wiel I agree, and it's pretty interesting that an entire philosophical stream stopped trusting their senses, which is good imo. But arguing with this idea is completely useless as both parties get nowhere.
0 likesThe best conclusion this idea resulted in is that we know for sure that the only thing that can't be doubted is that there exists conciousness in the universe
@Bombay Bombay
0 likes>logical thinkers
kek
The "smartest man in the universe" stuff actually helped me with own writings
1 likeI'm writing a series where a character (not a main character) is an Incredibly genius scientist, but he constantly refers to himself as "the 12th smartest being in the galaxy" and will occasionally mention one of the 11 smarter beings as being genuinely smarter
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If itâs a comic, Iâd like to illustrate it. Unless your just joking, then never mind.
0 likesDoes his status as a genius really matter if he isn't a main character? Wouldn't it be like a "who cares" thing?
1 like@V. Va in my story, he's kinda like the Nick Fury/Q from James Bond.
0 likesHe's both the one that created the technology the main crew uses and kinda oversees them
So he's not really a MAIN character, he's more of an important Secondary character
To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Rick and Morty. The humor is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of theoretical physics most of the jokes will go over a typical viewer's head. There's also Rick's nihilistic outlook, which is deftly woven into his characterisation - his personal philosophy draws heavily fromNarodnaya Volya literature, for instance. The fans understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of these jokes, to realize that they're not just funny- they say something deep about LIFE. As a consequence people who dislike Rick and Morty truly ARE idiots- of course they wouldn't appreciate, for instance, the humour in Rick's existencial catchphrase "Wubba Lubba Dub Dub," which itself is a cryptic reference to Turgenev's Russian epic Fathers and Sons I'm smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion as Dan Harmon's genius unfolds itself on their television screens. What fools... how I pity them. đ And yes by the way, I DO have a Rick and Morty tattoo. And no, you cannot see it. It's for the ladies' eyes only- And even they have to demonstrate that they're within 5 IQ points of my own (preferably lower) beforehand.
1 likeIâm interested on what youâd think about Solar Opposites, I havenât seen it, but I wonder if it keeps the original themes of Rick and Morty or if itâs more along the lines of the later seasons.
3 likesI'll be honest. I feel like this is really overanalysing the show and is exactly what created the toxic fanbase to begin with. I'm a huge fan of rick and morty, but never really understood everyone's need to analyse every minutia and draw some profound meaning from it. I think it's worth listening to Grandma's Virginity, Roiland's podcast, just to hear him talk about his creative process and get a deeper insight into his personality, because a lot of the things that get overanalysed are just random moments of improv 95% of the time.
1 likeI usually tend to avoid video essays that break down shows and analyse everything like this, and I feel like it's very different from a lot of your other videos. I assumed this would be a focus on the strange fandom that it developed, and not just a breakdown of how we're supposed to interpret the show.
It's never a good sign for your fandom when your characters start getting put on Hot Topic t-shirts.
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Anit that the truth
6 likesThatâs when you bail
1 likeI mean, invader zim has been in hot topic merch for years and the recent movie was probably one of the best things in that series so...
11 likesHot Topic really lives up to it's name. It's where good things go to die.
5 likesYeah....only music bands should be put on hot topic t shirts
1 likeThat's literally the only thing I'll ever get from that store
i know it's been said relentlessly, but consistently the thing that i've learned is that those who are less intelligent swear by their superiority while the genuinely smarter realize their overall understanding to have greater potential. those screenshots at 23:30 just make me wanna scream man.
0 likesHonestly, this video kinda puts the ending of season 5 in a different lightâŠ
1 like[Season 5 spoilers in 3âŠ2âŠ1âŠ]
Through Evil Mortyâs actions at the end of Season 5, the retconning of Pickle Rick is essentially completeâŠAs in what now kinda feels like a response to this video, Rick has been once again reduced to a state of âSavvy, but not invincible.â
Season 3 episode 1 is my favorite episode of the whole series and never really thought of season 3 as different until now really. I feel like Season 3 episode 1 was more of a conclusion of season 2 discontinued from the rest of season 3. I loved season 3 and saw season 4 as the beginning of the fall. I think season 5 is pound for pound the best season. Hopefully you talk about season 5 soon because I haven't heard much different opinion than mine and my friend who also believes season 5 is the best one and would like to know if it's just us.
0 likesThe MatPatt roast was perfect
5 likes25:31 if a man tells you he empathizes with the character of bojack horseman and thinks itâs a good show, itâs all good, but if a man tells you heâs LIKE bojack horseman, YOU RUN
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Bojack is such a good character but such a bad person.
278 likes@Poras Srivastava that hits it right on the nail
54 likesand yet, in one way or another, most of us are.
9 likesIâm a good friend, big family person, etc⊠but I also have similar negative or self imploding habits.
11 likesIf youâve been through the ringer in life, itâs easy to slip into a depression that you donât fully see whatâs happening or how youâre acting.
Most of us are like Bojack, just not entirely, I relate to his trauma but would never follow his actions
38 likesWhat a show bojack horseman was I wish they made some special episodes or a new season but I'm not disappointed
0 likes@colemado yes
5 likes@colemado
4 likesDonât worry the show has an amazing ending, it wasnât cancelled
Yeah there's a very fine line between "damn I feel for this guy" and "damn I am this guy", a line I rammed face-first into when I looked at Shinji Ikari of Neon Genesis Evangelion, how he was portrayed in the series, and saw myself, and then watched the opening scene of End of Evangelion. Anno you glorious bastard.
6 likesBob-Waksberg saw that there was a contingent in the fan Base that saw Bojack as an aspirational character, and he responded directly and emphatically in season 5, "no he's not, and here's why". That was a smart move IMO.
2 likesShit. I just realized I should stop telling me people I love Bojack horseman because he's JUST
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Im so glad the latest season (s5) has gone back to focusing on the family most episodes. I didnt care for the latest episode (s5e8), it was a little too meta and rick focused, but the season overall gives me hope that the show is course correcting and we're due for more peak episodes in the future
0 likesThose anime elitists who preach about how neon genesis evangelion, yosuga no sora, and boku no pico are godlike anime with no equal. That is the truly m.A.A.d. fandom.
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Boku no pico?
2 likesYosuga no sora?
1 like@bobroctopus donât even look it up for god sake Iâm trying to help you
0 likes@Shooty ik I'm wondering why this guy is saying people think Boku no pico is a godlike anime lmao
0 likesWhich shows how young they are if they're not even bothering to mention Akira, GITS, Vampire Hunter D...
1 likecough
You forgot Madoka Magica!
1 likeDo you realize boku no piko is a meme right, its an extremly messed up hentai and people say its a good to trick people into watching it
0 likes@Rock HistĂłria and jjba i know because i am jjba fan
0 likes@A quite tired guy Yo boku no pico is a hentai and is a meme NO WAY. I totally never noticed when I included both Boku no Pico and Yosuga no Sora.
0 likes@A quite tired guy hell yea JoJo's Bizarre Adventure is legendary!
0 likes@Random Person wait now I am interested, what you thought that boku no Pico was about before?
0 likes@Rock HistĂłria I don't know man, but yosuga no sora and boku no pico are 20/10 anime. I wonder what you guys are smoking.
0 likesMost channels: "I smell money!"
48 likesAdult Swim: "I smell creativity!"
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(Morty almost gets raped) i think we've all agreed to never be creative again
1 like@A quite tired guy At least they took it seriously and as a threat unlike stuff like Family Guy that'll play it off as a joke.
0 likes@AstroZ i know it was just impossible for me to watch
0 likes@A quite tired guy FG or R&M?
0 likes@AstroZ that one scene of Rick and morty, it was hard to watch, but also, but modern family guy is kind of impossible to watch
1 likeThis is a very good Video Essay on Rick and Morty!
0 likesI enjoyed every second of it, this made me subscribe
4chan ripping on a show for silly, nonsensical, edgy and irreverent humour is peak irony.
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@Targitaus Rithux
488 likesYou're deliberately misinterpreting his point for a snarky remark.
Too much irony to handle in these comments
68 likes@Targitaus Rithux >funy maymay arow
123 likes@Alberto C. Routwell cough #@r/4chan cough
7 likes@Aphato Huh?
3 likesPeople on 4chan don't mock it because it's edgy they hate Rick and Morty because it is super beloved by Reddit and the fanbase was super easy to mock. The "you have to have a high IQ" copypasta was a troll that was posted on /tv/ as a mocking of what they thought redditors sounded like when they talked about the show.
149 likes@D because that's all most of 4chan users do, be it on /v/ or wherever. people don't go there to be decent or treat people with respect, all they do is complain and create a cycle of endless mediocre flame wars. at least Reddit is regulated enough and built in a way for it not to be the case, most likely because you can't be anonymous about it so you get reminded that what you say and do has consequences. 4chan is just not healthy imo. I've seen people destroy themselves on that site, get doxxed because they wanted to "trust x board" or just become bitter over useless flame wars.
48 likes@Targitaus Rithux I said that where again?
3 likes>implying 4chan is not srs bznz
12 likes@Nick Name if there are limitations on what comes out of your mouth then it goes to show why 4chan looks down on Reddit so much. the point of the Anonymity thing is so people can actually speak their heart out without being screwed over in real life, and in an era of political correctness the limitations get narrower. because they are actually honest with themselves, that's why they could never agree with each other. and in case you don't know, when they managed to cooperate they've manipulated polls, trolled celebrities, and called in airstrikes, something that other sites with several times as many users can't even get close to.
71 likes@Mr. Pineapple The only board that's edgy is r9k only because it's full of virgins.
22 likesthe hacker known as 4chan must be behind this
27 likesI don't mean to sound like a grammer nazi but you spelled 'iron' wrong. Ftfy bro
2 likesReddit does away more damage to Rick and Morty than 4chan.
13 likesReddit has done more damage to society than 4chan
36 likesNick Name 4chan > Reddit
7 likesTargitaus Rithux
3 likesthe infamous hacker known as 4chan,
t. ledditor
13 likes4chan doesn't go around saying how they are intellectuals for said humor
@Nick Name "destroy themselves and get doxxed"
7 likesI thought that was Twitter
Reddit is an fascistic, terrible platform that stifles actual discussion and upvotes people for having a "correct" or "mainstream" opinion. 4chan is complete freedom of speech and the lack of perceived order by someone who has never actually been it is telling of your thoughtless nature.
19 likes4chan is just reddit with extra steps
2 likes@Targitaus Rithux found the 4chan big brain over here guys
0 likes@MBSB
2 likesHere we go again with the snowflakes making the "Everything I don't like is fascist!" argument.
@MBSB
1 likeI'm just saying, saying Reddit as a whole is fascist is kinda like saying Discord as a whole is fascist. Are there subreddits/servers that are fascist by your definitions **cough cough Yandere Simulator cough cough**? Of course, but the platforms as a whole are far from it. It's just the issue that comes with letting people set up their own little mini-communities, and making sweeping generalizations like the one you did does make you sound like the boy who cried fascist. Plus I couldn't resist the irony of calling a channer a snowflake. Can you blame me?
@Luigicat11 Also reddit is a hivemind for the corporatist authoritarian. Fascism, you know.
0 likes@MBSB
1 likeAnd your evidence of this is...?
@ballslover33
1 likeYeah that sure is a lot of buzzword salad you threw together.
>MFW we owned those redditors with facts and logic.
>channer good redditor bad pic related
>stereotypes are funny when they're not stereotypes of us
@ballslover33 Yes. Basically.
0 likesThe whole reddit/4chan back and forth about which website is better is like the console wars but more pathetic
1 like@Emperor TGP
1 likeYeah. Honestly I only stuck up for Reddit because no one else was. I don't even think it's any better than 4chan (I find YouTubers that read from both sites entertaining). I just don't know how the fuck you can glean "fascist" from it without SJW logic.
@Nick Name How funny. Last time i visited 4ch, i was shocked by how people were actually helping others. Maybe visiting /vg/ and other boards that aren't /v/ or /pol/ does make for a fun experience. Now sites like Twitter, those sites i've quit simply because browsing them made my mood drop straight into shit. Same for Reddit, except Reddit at least has a few funny posts occasionally, even if rarely.
1 like@Emperor TGP Console wars aren't pathetic. They caused competition for the corporations - SEGA and Nintendo in that era (Later Sony and a bit of Microsoft) tried to do the best possible thing and innovated on every corner. It wasn't the most fun time for some players and there were failed innovations, but it was still overall great. Now there is no competition in portable market, for example, which leads to Nintendo basically having a monopoly and doing lots of stupid shit without any need to worry about losing to a superior competitor.
0 likes@Marx Hmm good point, I guess the reddit/4chan war is just uniquely pathetic then.
0 likes@Nick Name "people don't go there to be decent or treat people with respect" speak for yourself, I do that all the time.
0 likes@Targitaus Rithux oh fuck, someone finally understands not to refer to 4ch as a single entity, veri baste
1 like@dkskcjfjswwwwwws if i spell it funni an refrence wat he do it look them stoopid, me so clever lel
0 likestheyâre just being ironic
0 likes@Bo Beaux 4chan has been shit since 2007 dont kid yourself
0 likes@Nick Name t.redditor
0 likesthey're ripping on it cause normies love it and therefore they feel they stole it from them (which given the quality of latter seasons is kinda true). If R&M never got as popular as it did it'd be universally loved on 4chan.
1 likethat 4chan post was actually pretty funny tho lol
1 like@Bo Beaux ahh yes
0 likesDan Harmon is an old man that made terrible mistakes. But⊠he learned from them, and heâs trying to help you. Heâs trying to tell you not to fuck up the way he did.
1 likeJust⊠listenâŠ
Wow i was just thinking today that over time ricks presence in the family was affecting the family with his worst qualities. Especially in the newest ep. Morty is becoming his grandpa. Enjoyed this vid a lot
0 likesIt's no single reason, I like this show for all the reasons together
0 likesi like the show, i really wished they cut down on the 4th wall thing though, they do it every episode now while also trying to maintain a lore. they are trying to have their cake and eat it too.
0 likesI like how people just universally laugh at MatPat.
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Is matpat generally hated?
20 likes@Renosance Is Dead I hadn't known for the longest time but apparently he is
80 likesHemmoroidza why though
15 likes@ChiefKeith No idea, maybe his videos aren't upto par with certain people's expectations
39 likesHemmoroidza I can only guess that it is due to his ability to constantly create âtheoriesâ that ends up just feeling like he is milking a certain topic.
116 likesSome old fans watched him for actually theories that proposed mathematical equations and what not, but now his theories donât involve that.
Lastly, there are rumors that some of his theories he âmakesâ are pretty much copied from reddit. But those are rumors.
It's just "normie" content with theories that don't really make sense. Basically clickbait with peak moments like "Ness is Sans" and giving Undertale to the Pope.
62 likesDeo Vindice I mean that was a pretty chad move ngl
10 likes@K-Blue not even like a physical release of it, a fucking steam code for it.
3 likesSteve Stevenson:
23 likesDidnât he make a Game Theory about wondering if Mario would survive COVID-19?
Like, thatâs just complete bad taste. And to think a good chunk fans probably had a close one die to COVID-19 and saw that video on their notifications...
I generally don't, like I do when there's an actual mistake, but I have that stupid feeling of empathy.
1 likeI like him, as a person, i do agree that sometimes his theories are over the top and wacky but the dude is great person himself
15 likes@Hemmoroidza nah hes just a vulture of media
0 likes@Bp Mv his new channel food theory, other than the Kool-aid man episode, is pretty good. You can see him preform the experiments
4 likesIdk, his millions of subscribers would say otherwise. Among the underground youtube circle, sure but average youtube views? Most likely not
3 likesK-Blue yea Matpat should have gave the pope halo instead.
2 likesYou donât actually know the context do you?
Renosance Is dead Matpat is not actually hated. He just easy to make fun off when he is pretty much the top essayist on YouTube.
7 likesHe has a distinctive style and brand thatâs easy to parody and sense he is so popular everyone already knows about him. He is a bit more mainstream and has made many videos with some of them not besting the best.
With him you have to remember itâs basically a business while this guy and similar is mostly just the one person makinh content at the pace they want while Matpat employs like two dozen people. Matpat has a real business and they have to focus on content that popular. Some people seem to have a hard understanding that he makes content that people actually see.
Derek Walsh so...like all entertainment journals and essayists? Including this guy?
1 likeDon't forget his inability to handle criticism well
12 likesLike when he put gamersfrommars and mutahar in the same category as his "haters" and when he cried people were making fun of his videos
@A L it would make MORE sense in the context of bumping into the pope and wanting to give a present.
6 likesalso, 'pretty much the top essayist on youtube'
lmfao please, here's a short list of those who're much better and far less aggravating in general:
Lindsay Ellis
hBomberguy
internet historian
Drew Gooden
kliksphilip
Camelworks
core A gaming
cinematic excrement
YMS
Mrsundaymovies
Jacob Geller
Nakeyjakey
the art assignment
the cantina
the closer look
and i haven't even mentioned media-unrelated essayists
His channel was straight gold before five nights at freddys. I think that the big change happened when his videos stopped being about theories that relate real life to video games and vice versa, and instead meta theories about the games themselves.
3 likes@Peter Sneddon
12 likes>Hbomberguy
>Less agressive
I only go to the MatPat's channel for Austin, he sadly got neutered to keep the channel's squeaky clean and child friendly brand, he even got a goofy avatar like MatPat, the rest of his video style is intact though.
2 likes@H;C f
0 likesRenosance Is dead not really hated just nobody respects him
0 likesHonestly donât know why someone would hate a YouTuber unless they did something illegal. You tubers literally make content you watch for free. Itâs not like EA where I pay for a game and am disappointed afterwards when it dosenât meet my expectations . If you donât like mat pat just donât watch his content,donât go hating on him in other peopleâs videos.
4 likes@Hemmoroidza You didn't say the thing
0 likes@Peter Sneddon he probably meant view and subscriber wise
0 likesRick and morty episode 1 had better animation than the rest of the show, the face and body animation just simply looked better
1 likei agree with this i hope 1 day they go back to how season 1 and 2 were, i feele like rick is too overpowerd now than in the earlier episodes like u said. yup, good vid
0 likesYo, Emp, great video. I know, I'm a bit late, but your thoughts are just... so right. They resonate so much with mine. Keep up the good work (I'm drunk, and I don't know what I want to add, but as I said, I found so much...
0 likes"Rick and Morty was never good"
0 likesPostmoderning the postmodern show. Wow so genius, much enlightened.
Iâve always seen Season 3 as Dan Harmon kind of saying âOkay, YOU WANT THIS? FINE! Here you go! See how bad it is?â
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yeah im sure some of season 3 is that. the pickle rick episode i feel they just thought would be funny and fun to do but then it got blown way out of proportion. like the meseeks episode, I love that episode but im not going to run around dressed like a meseeks.....
195 likes@You Squidding Me? I'm with you but not at the same time, these guys seem to care about their show but I can't know for sure what their intentions are.
69 likesWell Rick and Morty peaked on season 3 and from what I understand you go out of your way to dislike it because it became mainstream so it no longer felt like a rare special jem that you can brag about
28 likes@Maritza Sanchez if you know who dan harmon is then you know that he loves and cares about his work
8 likes@ΊÏÏÎ·Ï then I'm glad that you've informed me lol :)
1 like@ΊÏÏÎ·Ï No, personally I still love Season 3. But I do feel like the family dynamic being broken was an intentional anti-postmodernist message. But maybe Iâm just projecting
13 likes@V3rb And now we have Season 4. Which is just unwatchable for me, it's so fucking bad
6 likes@Gianluca Daniele Di Maggio season 4 starts horrible, but the last few episodes are some of best rick and morty out there
7 likes@Gianluca Daniele Di Maggio first six episodes were all dog shit on a rust ridden platter but the last six were all really good
3 likesIdk bout y'all but I thought S3 started good and ended great, it did have like 2-3 bad episodes but overall I prefer S4 to S3. My disliked S4 eps: Crewcoo's Morty, Claw and Hoarder, Rattlestar Ricklactica.
3 likesI thought S4 started out good* not S3.
0 likesΊÏÏÎ·Ï ÎÎĄÎÎÎÎÎŁ âhow dare you have a different opinion on season 3 its objectively good youâre just trying to be a hipster by having a different opinion >:(â
2 likesLuke's Offline im not sure which episode the dragon one was but it was the worst imo
1 like@NEIGHBOR I meant season 4 lol.
0 likesSame tbh it had that vibe to it
0 likes@Luke's Offline eh same idea
0 likesI enjoyed season 3. I still haven't seen 4 tho. I was stoked for it, but I don't have cable. I think it's finally on Hulu. Eh, I'm gonna sit around and watch it when I'm mega bored. No shade, just not interested right now.
0 likesDisenchantment is pure flames tho.
Ok but if you compare it to other shows, you clearly see theyâre not even trying at this point, literally producing only a merely 10 episode while others produced twice as much n less time, but imo they did everything they wanted in season 1 n 2 and werenât expecting to do more.
0 likes@Krazy4Midget i mean, covid? they are RIGHT in not doing more episodes, life's first
0 likesNo, its just bad
1 likeI saw that with star wars with the two directors with star wars toys grabbing the figures from each other crying "*thats* not how you play star wars. this is how you play star wars!"
0 likes@Pagodeiro Master im talkin before covid waiting 2 years for season 3 but as well Covid is a great time for their writers to just mess around n experiment(since what else can they do right? With covid)
0 likes@NEIGHBOR agreed it pissed me off when it cut to comercial n rick is back to his all powerful science self, like atleast show us something, how he does it or how just manages to outwit magic with his knowledge
0 likesS3E7 was peak Rick And Morty imo, maybe S2E4
0 likesSeason 4 has the worst episode in the show (the dragon one) and it has arguably the best episode in the show, at least in my opinion (the vat of acid episode)
1 likeAnd its so Fucking bad
0 likeslol I couldn't agree more.
1 like@ΊÏÏÎ·Ï thatâs your opinion. Season 3 was a disappointment for me. The show has missed something since season two.
0 likes@Pagodeiro Master animation isnât really affected in covid. No one has to be near anyone in order to do it. They have taken years for seasons prior to covid.
0 likesI thought that Season was absolutely fine and enjoyable. Just cos you didnât like it doesnât mean the creator decided to shit out a joke season
0 likes@ΊÏÏÎ·Ï that doesnt make any sense because season 3 was only 22% more popular than season 2
0 likes@Andrew Marshall he talks a lot about providing for the tribe. Maybe it has something to do with that.
0 likes@Lub Mang finding a new way to phrase "money first, artistic integrity second" doesn't change what it means đ€·ââïž
0 likes@Andrew Marshall you are too rigid in your beliefs and see things in a black and white way. What I said wasnât about money. But making something for others to enjoy. I saw him do a talk at a college a few years back and he talked about doing it for yourself or for your tribe. Iâm not a huge fan of the last two seasons but Iâm not gonna paint with as broad a brush. People are multi faceted.
0 likesYeah. And the thing that was "wanted" was female writing staff.
0 likesI watched like 4 episodes of itand never returned again not even passionate about hating it but it wasnât good
1 like@ΊÏÏÎ·Ï Go away.
0 likesYeah, but how do you explain season 4đ
0 likesSeason 5 and 4 heavily nerfed Rick from what he was in season 3 - itâs a bit early to tell but with how the season ended and how Rick has returned to being more flawed the show seems to be returning to its roots.
0 likesLooking back after watching the season 5 finale, u can see that they noticed these issues and retconned them, with the reveal that rick isnt the smartest
0 likesI feel bad for this show except for a huge part of season 4 I think every episode is awesome. The humor of this show is just so unique
0 likesHonestly, this video still holds up considering the mix bag that is the newest season.
0 likesEmplemon: âIf I ask you to picture a Seinfeld fan, you probably couldnât come up with a definitive stereotype.â
1111 likesMe: âuh my Dad.â
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A guy who enjoys airline food
74 likesLol i was like.. 'old people?'
21 likes@CPiece I was gonna say boomers.
13 likesthere is no need to write "me:"
9 likes*siendfeld song starts playing
3 likesyeah, whatâs up with Seinfeld fans am I right?
6 likesEveryone loves Seinfeld.
6 likesI know a stereotype, thinks humor never changes and that if a laugh track is placed in between a sentence, it must be funny.
2 likes@ExDeeXD [ARCHIVE] nah that's fans of the most overrated show of all time: Friends. And maybe HIMYM. And that Bazinga show.
4 likes@Viva Emptiness You just named the same show three times.
2 likes@ExDeeXD [ARCHIVE] lmao. True.
0 likes@Viva Emptiness actually I kinda like HIMYM, I think it's one of the few sitcoms where the producers actually tried.
2 likesAny jewish guy in his late 20âs in the early 2000âs. To be fair, Seinfeld is a pretty good show though.
2 likesViva Emptiness friends is a SLOG to sit through. Itâs not even bad funny or bad entertaining, itâs just garbage. How did it achieve the âcultâ status it has? At least âThe Officeâ is a dumb funny show, sort of like Parks and Rec, but Friends is just retirement home-tier garbage youâd leave on for dementia patients to stare off at
0 likes@Dusk Legend yeah, I honestly have no idea how it's still so popular. I've tried watching it, but it's just so unfunny that I can barely get through one ep.
0 likesthat pyro is a spy
0 likesMy dad doesn't like Seinfeld.
1 likeOk, kid
0 likesit's okay but not as good as Frasier
0 likes25:07 "...where the media you consume is now fundamentally tied to your identity"
1 liketruer words have never been said
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Agreed. Yep that's what's causing so many problems today
0 likesI think now and days the hype is coming back as new people are watching and understanding what made this show so good many of my friends started and now are addicted to the show
0 likesThe biggest thing in the way of me wanting to watch Rick and Morty is the way every fan I come across pats himself on the back for watching and liking the show.
1 likeYou know itâs a good commentary video when thereâs vaporwave playing in the background.
0 likesSeason 3 actually managed to overdose the internet on irony. Impressive.
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Damn, maybe they were giving us the medicine we needed after all
27 likesI can't stop enjoying your videos đ
0 likesthat segway from the ending of futurama to the beginning of rick and morty was amazing.
0 likesi just binge watched rick and morty a year ago. Pickle rick was my favorite episode because it was funny and suprised me. I didnât pay much attention to the therapist plot. Why do people take Entertainment so seriously.
0 likesI use all of the reasons to love the show.
0 likesI just sold one of those Szechuan Sauceâs from the McDonalds promo for $70. $70 for a McDonaldâs sauce...this video is spot on.
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TheGhostKidney7 Yeah lol and thatâs considered âcheapâ for them. Some people try to sell them for $200
94 likesMarcus Thompson Would you pay $70 for 6 nuggets worth of it tho?
44 likesGet outta here! Yep people are strange lol and apparently some have more money than sense...
8 likesWow
0 likeswow i can't pay rent
2 likespeople are weird with money
4 likesMichael Hemsley $70 curious tho? Also someone opened it at the restaurant and shared it with a bunch of people so trying it there my memory was it being similar to their sweet and sour with a little extra teriyaki zest to it.
2 likes@Michael Hemsley not really...
0 likesI still got one.
0 likesChris Harmon well that shit is good man, and its so fucking rare now.
1 like@Michael Hemsley I help out at a cards and collectables shop and am a bank teller by trade, and I can verify that people are weird with money in general.
0 likesHad a guy who's card was restricted because he had like 3 purchases from asiandates.com, he denied knowing the website but signed off saying that he did the transactions saying that it was him.
I wish I had the chance to try it when it was available
0 likesThat's nothing. There ware Yugioh cards that sell for $300+ dollars just because they are have some shiny foil.
0 likesIsnt szechuan saus extremely common in some asian countries? Lol
0 likes@Chris Harmon so how are you related to Dan Harmon?
0 likesFr? I got like 20 of em
0 likesI heard someone sold half of his savings for a package of sauce.
0 likes@Michael Hemsley Binging With Babish said it was 2 parts sweet and sour and one part barbeque
0 likesThey certainly don't have a unique recipe for it, they would combine other sauces.
Chris Harmon you have any left?
0 likesRicky Bobby Forreal??
0 likesFfs you could have sold it for double the price and they'll just say thank you
0 likesIm glad i didnt discover it as an edgelord, instead as just a kid.
2 likesthe season 5 finale gives me hope that seasons 3, 4 and 5 were just the weird puberty stage of the show
1 likeI always said "Pickle Rick" was the episode that broke me off from the show, and you nailed why. Emmys don't mean shit besides "What made the industry the most money this time?"
1 likeI loved rick and morty for the lore and worldbuilding. These two elements are now more dead than new coke and I can't ever see myself watching it again.
1 likeI love viewing the comments on any video about Rick and morty. All of a sudden everybody has a graduate degree in psychology/sociology/theology/philosophy. Itâs way funnier than the actual show
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I'll have to agree, but most of the conclusions are pretty basic, you don't need a degree in every last conclusion you make, you know. It's just people sharing opinions, some radical, others not. Best to accept that rather than alienate yourself from it.
0 likesThe show, at the beginning of season 3, jokes around with a rule of only making a joke 3 times at most.
0 likesThey broke that rule over and over again after that. Makes for a terrible sign of things going bad.
I still think the show is good. Just not as solid nor as great as it was.
And the best part of the show wasn't the clever commentary, the science behind, not even the jokes. It was all about the family.
I can't say I didn't see the writing on the wall in real time with R&M. Too much commercialization can ruin a a show & fan base. I simply don't like being thought of as another shallow fan to a show that honestly has lost its charm.
1 likeAs a great show once said "Just repeat to yourself "It's just a show I should really just relax"".
0 likesFor the guy who is known for the âdownward spiral,â you sure do know how to find the bright side of things.
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Thatâs because the existence of a downward spiral implies the existence of an upward spiral.
89 likes@Dylan Devine For every downward spiral, there is an equal and opposite upward spiral.
32 likesSeanvich you canât find the silver lining with some dark clouds.
0 likesmstrblik I didnât ask for these chills, but here they are. Thanks.
0 likesEmpLemon's wrong on this one. Rick and Morty is pretty bad. Its 'comedy' is terribly pretentious with Dan Harmon and Justin Roiland self inserting their weird fetishes.
11 likesThis remindes me of Uzumaki coming to Adult Swin too
0 likesAnime Reviews With Trip
0 likesNah it's good
â@Adam Rolston >Points out flaws in terrible show
9 likes>Rick and Morty fan with Sonic avatar: "NAh it'S GOOd"
To me, the show lost its charm due to its fan base. And the moment the fan base became insufferable to me was the episode with Pickle Rick. Ever since that episode, people went to far and became so unbearable to me.
0 likesI dipped out shortly after.
I enjoyed the entire show
0 likesI finally watched the show.
0 likesIt was better than I thought, but also alot worse than i thought.
Makes me sad that most people who are massive fans of it are weirdo pill popping college kids
Gary and His Demons is a really good one most don't know about. Shame there's only one season.
1 likeEmplemon is the only channel that whenever he uploads, I drop everything and watch.
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same
7 likesIt's a shame that he was exposed by Simian Jimmy.
4 likes@average Weezer fan what did he do?
3 likesI can agree on that, him and Ordinary Sausage are the shit.
0 likesIncluding the baby
1 likeYeah? You and ten million others say the same thing.
0 likesI have just enough on my lunch break to watch this video lmfao
1 likethat's so true i even dropped my child in the furnace so that i could watch emplemon
4 likesI have zero interest in Rick and Morty or its humor but ill still watch this
2 likes@north korean defector I believe he's referring to the joke video he made, where he satirically exposed Emp and Rusty Cage for "stealing" his background music. Really, it was just Mumkey being Mumkey.
4 likesI stopped being interested in Rick and Morty after season 2 came out. When season 3 came around things really went downhill
1 likeGood show, mad fandom
1 likeLike most good things
Introducing and then subsequently destroying the Central Finite Curve was the best decision the writers couldâve made. Stating Rick as the smartest man in the universe explains why heâs able to outsmart everyone with ease and never get into any real trouble. But now that the CFC has been destroyed, Rick is no longer the smartest man in the universeâor at least, he is no longer the only person in the universe with his level of intelligence. This opens up so many possibilities as far as where they can take the show. Now, Rick can remain just as OP as heâs come to be, and yet still be on equal footing with the antagonists.
0 likesFun fact: watching rick and morty on lsd is pretty much the best way to watch the show, its amazing
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If I only knew where to get some đ
0 likesFinally an actual analysis instead of âurrr fans bad so show bad blub lubâ
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the community is half the experience
22 likesThe fan base is part of it though, like he mentioned due to public expectation and the impact it had on the production of season 3 and 4
8 likesHumour it's cringe tho
2 likes@D Gam not really, i watched all of rick and morty without ever engaging with the fan base. not because I thought they were toxic, more because it seemed like a waste of time and energy to me personally. to each their own i guess.
18 likesEmp was, and is, still apart of the awful R&M fandom. This video shows it well by having him defend a terrible series.
2 likes@Suu Slime There it is, we've come full circle for both sides now
15 likes@Suu Slime is that bias I smell? He has bias. You have bias. Yup. Smells like bias.
8 likesMost Fans are blub blub
1 like@Suu Slime How about you watch for yourself instead of saying its bad just because of the fandom.
3 likes@Kool Kid Kameron sir 1. Why are you taking a snide comment so seriously?
0 likes2. I've watched it, both season one and season two, with a bit of season three. It's really not that good.
@Suu Slime and thats your opinion
0 likes@Suu Slime You can not like it all you want but it seems like to me you base your dislike towards it simply beacause of the fandom which I don't think is a vaid reason to hate a show
1 likeThe reason fandom is bad is almost never given. This is the first time we actually get to hear the "Why" as it's hard to put it into words as to how it got so bad during the show's early years. Steven Universe's fandom is Rick and Morty's, but the lifespan has been accelerated due to the rise of social media, like a supergiant star ala Betelgeuse compared to a smaller star, like the Sun.
3 likes@GaiaX5 We heard why the fandom was bad all the time. This video literally brought zero new perspectives to the table, but instead just served it all the perspectives on a big plate.
0 likes@Suu Slime And the thing wrong with that is...?
0 likesYou should of brought up how Dan Harmon was embroiled in a sexual harassment scandal (Which he admitted doing, and apparently reconciled with his victim), I think this may have had a large influence on the production of the show since it was around the time the show was starting to tank.
0 likesRick: "IM A GOD"
0 likesAlso Rick: "God isn't real"
23:32 I sincerely hope Ben's post is meant to be brilliant satire.
2 likesIf Rick & Morty wants to be even more good than it already is, it has to double down with the"serious moment but lol here a forth wall break!" stuff.
0 likes"Rick and Morty got marketable"
2135 likesplays ad
Genius.
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it's a bit overplayed now, loads of youtubers try and do the same skit.
3 likes@An On still a funny skit
5 likes@MustAsh ur mum is still funny
2 likes@Epic Gamer thanks, she tries really hard to make us smile!! she would love to hear that someone appreciateâs her humor :D
3 likesHaving adblock makes me use my imagination with these great as placements.
1 likeYoutube Vanced can customize your ad blocking on mobile and makes it open source so you can save yourself and others from ad time
1 like@AudiosurfArchive I thought you were a scam bot at first lol
0 likes@Wilo Polis lol whoops, just didn't put quite enough predicates and prepositions I guess; Youtube Vanced is legit as fuck though, great for binging WWII History or anything.. and the sponsor-blocking is DIY and accessible.
0 likesI'm on a Pixel 2XL btw.
@AudiosurfArchive Dang, good to know, might check it out sometime
0 likes@Wilo Polis Yah, gotta use F-Droid and fhe unofficial apps store, yaddayadda. It pretty much uses the front end of mobile YT almost exactly as is, but with dev settings enabled by defualt and the almighty sponsor block that you can both personalize and help others by flagging the sections; quite a few selections of designation so you can cut out even more (or less) as you want.
0 likes@Wilo Polis Can even login and shitpost like me right now, completely integrated. Also has VLC-esque touch control for volumd and brightness that you need to enable; LH screen side is brightness (separate from phone brightness too) and RH is volume. You just scroll vertically to adjust either
0 likesRick and Morty is a show about an infinite amount of different versions of the same dysfunctional family. The idea that you are never really sure which dimensional version of the smith family you are watching on any giving episode is pretty fun. The narrative has the ability to be uncertain but still not leve you lost wondering, what the Dick happened from episode to episode. I mean sure Rick from the show is the âRickiest Rickâ. But every Rick thinks that, so who are we really watching?
1 like"In my opinion, it would've been a lot more compelling, if the series chose to separate Rick from the family instead of Jerry"
0 likesJustin Roiland and Dan Harmon : [22:45]
"WRITE THAT DOWN ! WRITE THAT DOWN !"
God I wish we could go back to season two. I was like 10-11 when I first watched it back in 2015 and the Grumbly Fumbly joke actually got me. I was like Morty and Summer, laughing at a joke that meant nothing because I wanted to enjoy the adult show. Imagine my shock when Rick speaks directly to me and calls me a sheep lmao total ego killer. Wouldn't get that experience from modern Rick and Morty. The sperm episode isn't gonna make me rethink the way I watch shows. I have little hope for Season 6 but hope nonetheless.
0 likesThe biggest showing for me how the show isnt the smartest show on television and shouldn't be treated like something that you need to go frame by frame to dissect the meaning behind each frame, is there was a episode of film theory that used math and calculations to find out if beth's clone existed and the theory was wrong because the writers didn't spend 200 hours on otherwise should be straight forward just to make sure the times were right, the writers are spending that 150 extra hours from not doing that, is used to keep plot holes to a minimum but still its a funny thing
0 likesThis is probably the best take I ever heard, I donât know why I didnât see the fact that everyone becoming more like rick was bad, maybe I myself overvalued his traits because I saw it as some kind of weird ideal, maybe thatâs what happened to the writers too or the feedback they listened to since itâs not like the booth really changed unlike with say spongebob
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I get how it's not really super interesting, but in universe it makes a lot of sense. They all have a lot more experience with Rick, and the type of stuff Rick goes through, especially Morty.
7 likesThis is why I keep one line that describe it best about R&M Fandom: "They think they're Rick, but in reality they're just a bunch of Jerries"
5 likesIt's a good video but I don't agree with you about how it went "aimless" after season 3. It's called character development, he for example invented those gatchets of his because he is in danger constantly.. I don't care about the fandom either, it has always been cringe so I don't follow it. I just want to watch the show, because unlike you I don't want to overanalyze it because it's not THAT deep, just like Roiland said himself. To me the 4th season was the best by far.
2 likesif emplemon says it's well written then I believe him, unfortunately the ugly art style with bizarrely shaped people with horrifying round teeth is just insufferable
1 likeOk but that green text at 5:28 is actually hilarious
1 likeNever stopped loving it.
0 likesSo, what you're saying is...
358 likesPickle rick is not the funniest shit I've ever seen?
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Not anymore
16 likesNormies ruined it
2 likesNever has been
3 likesfunniest comment i've ever read
2 likescocks gun and aims
7 likesNever has been.
WE RIOT UNTIL HE APOLOGIZES, UNTIL THEN, WE CANCEL ON TWITTER
0 likesIt's not the funniest thing I've seen but I liked it when I first saw it because I had no idea they would have it turn into a Die Hard reference
0 likesI just really liked the insane and completely unexpected turn of events, but now they do this so often it's not funny
Hey it's Rick and Morty episode, oh great...they are just referencing a movie for the entire 20 minute run time
This show went from Very good to mediocre
10 likesI get what your saying but I love Pickle Rick!
0 likesI'm also in Australia so didn't get as much of the OTT fandom.
So far I'm not a huge fan of season 4 and 5
Man this video has aged so badly with the last season in context
2 likesSome of yall have to get over it when normies end up liking something. I get it that shit gets annoying but if you lose your love for something JUST BECAUSE OTHER PEOPLE LIKE IT then that is YOUR problem not a show or band or whatever.
6 likesIMO Boondocks deserves much more love, writing was some of the most brilliant I've ever seen
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To bad Granddad is; ended from life.
12 likesYouTube auto deletes comments saying the aaR Eye Pee
Agreed
1 likeaaron wouldn't be liked by the toxic culture of today. imagine a black guy criticizing black culture in 2020. he'd be crucified by his peers. such a brilliant show that never got fully fleshed out.
21 likesBoondocks was really inconsistent in terms of quality writing. Felt like the best bits could have easily been compressed into just one or two seasons worth of material.
5 likes@Luna Sakara I dont think rest in peace is exactly banned, and if it was, people would have noticed already.
2 likesThere's a channel called The Storyteller who gives it a lot of love and deep analysis .
1 likeI think by season 3 it went down hill in terms of writing although admittedly S3 was the funniest and we all know S4 was a shit show.
2 likes@Avery Hepburn world Peace was only one season it got canceled by some joorno
1 like@CountlessPWNZ Tru
0 likesI watched 2 episodes of season 3... "Oh, thats what its gonna be now... ok" and tuned out. Never even got a bite of the pickle. Did they ever make another season?
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Theyâre working on the sixth season
0 likesM.A.A.D. (for those who just want the acronym and don't want to search the transcript)
1 likeManic Anti-hero Attachment Disorder
Keep up the good work, dude!
this show is literally perfect
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This but Aqua Teen Hunger Force instead
1 likeI totally get your point about Rick's power level season 3 in the past, but consider it from this perspective, because Rick got beat up and robbed by a teenage girl, he started to acquire a bunch of over powered body augmentations.
0 likesI've never actually seen the show myself, only been exposed to the fandom once it got popular and got fed up with that real quick. And yet, this video manages to provide very detailled insight into the topic to me, someone who more or less knows nothing about the subject at hand. This is what I find great about your videos, Emp. Your ability to get me hooked on something that I may have virtually no clue about, all without losing even a single bit of my interest or attention.
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You should check it out!
1 likeTldr Roiland sold out
0 likesIt's called securing the bag, you would have done the same to get paid
0 likesIt's a great show
0 likesThe family becoming nihilistic like Rick and losing their identity just to become more like him is actually brilliant in itself because itâs what happens when people become enthralled with a narcissistic personality
0 likesI didn't know that after pickle rick episode, show went downhill. I dont know why but it was same for me from starting to last. Intresting.
0 likesIt was probably because I watched the whole show in one go within days and I didn't have the context of how it evolved or influenced.
The keeps sponsor bit was amazing I usually skip ads in YouTube videos but this one was funny
0 likesViewer: Did you make the funniest episode ever?
0 likesHarmon/Roiland: Yes
Viewer: what did it cost?
Harmon/Roiland: ...everything.
I kid thee not, gentleman, the madman turneth himself into a pickle. âTwas truly ludicrous, thou shouldst have witnessed it thyself.
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Truly a sight to behold
29 likesA fine product of comedy
25 likesVerily my good sir
5 likesSupreme Person no
6 likes@Supreme Person Yes
0 likesWith thine comment, my life hath truly seen itâs crown.
3 likesRick V Kaczynski on technological progress is one of the smartest things Iâve ever seen. Kudos!
0 likesGenuinely the first time I've ever laughed at a sponsor segment.
0 likesAs a binge watcher that just watched Rick and morty for the first time last month, I didn't have to deal with any of those problems so my opinion is gonna be far different, and is far different. I just thought it was all natural. It also might be partly because I'm a filthy weeb (đ) and have gotten used to the MHA Fandom
0 likesAnd 1 year later rick was separated from the family....who would have known....
2 likes"Will season 5 come out before the imminent collapse of civilization?" Well I know one thing's for sure; it's gonna come out before Yandere Sim
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Amen, brother/sister
12 likesWell at least Star Citizen will come out before Season 5!
8 likesCheers, I'll drink to that
6 likesThat's a huge stretch, implying that Yandere Simulator is ever coming out
20 likes@Dillon Tyler Hey, don't talk that way! Just you wait, in 3060 it's gonna be the greatest game you'll EVER see~!
8 likesTheonetruedog TheDog lovesick: Oh man, this is gonna be fuuuun
2 likes@Drew Pretty much
2 likesTheonetruedog TheDog if he actually finishes it I will eat my iron helmet.
0 likesâ@Drew No need to worry, as two or three people have already done it for him.
1 likeIf yandere simulator releases before the universe collapses, it will absolutely still be a buggy mess
3 likesElse if
1 likeItâll come out before the new HxH arc too.
1 likeTOPICAL AND TRENDY
1 likeWe're likely to invent biological immortality before Yandere Sim gets released, then Alex can put his brain into a tin can with hands and continue to be an incompetent coder.
0 likesTrue true
1 likeAnd it did
1 likeI just realized the title is referencing Kendrick Lamar's album: Good Kid, M.A.A.D City
4 likesHarvey birdman, the Boondocks and Venture Bros got me through college:)
1 likeNever seen a single episode of Rick and Morty.
Was not expecting an appearance from Uncle Ted but I respect it
0 likesI feel viewership would go back up if they released episodes on Hulu or HBO Max weekly after tv airs instead of like a year after airing. Less people would pirate the show
0 likesWhen a show against nihilism becomes a show about nihilism
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Thats because Rick's character is so good, people want to relate to Rick more than the moral of the show because of how cool and smooth he is
36 likes@Chance Edwards Rick is actually very smooth and buttery I met him in real life.
79 likes@Chance Edwards Rick is a funny character yes but not a good person by any means heâs a sociopathic person yes he has his good moments but over all he is a horrible ducking person
16 likesI think people always like Rick tho and so I donât see how it was ever against nihilism
0 likes@Favray we live in a society
2 likesThe show started on a quest to redeem Rick but now it sees Rick as a fucking god who can't do wrong
4 likesIt was never âagainstâ nihilism lmao Empâs theory is pretty shit. It was always for a passive nihilism.
2 likes@Weggy GayGay thatâs just like your opinion man
1 likeMan, legit, i aways liked the fact that Rick opposes his own views with his actions on the earlier seasons, by actually caring about stuff, and the family not being like him offered great contrast to his ideals, now everyone is like him, i hate that so much
2 likesThis is every interpretation of nihilism it's the same with nietzche himself. People interpreted his criticism of nihilism as a sign to brace nihilism despite him being very clear it's not good even if it's unavoidable
5 likes@Weggy GayGay elaborate?
0 likes@Swerzye do you think the âexistentialismâ (literal meme pop-philosophy) the show tries to talk about is contradictory to anything Rick says? Rick is wrong because of his apathy and disinterest, not because of his ânihilism.â
2 likesin my opinion the whole point of season three being about nihilism was so that the family could learn it is wrong. theyâve been numbed by the wild sci-fi stuff that rick has felt with and start to agree with him.
0 likesI was having a trip sesh once and watched Rick and Morty. The Teenage rick episode and anything with Mr. Poopy butthole was what fucked me up
0 likesi liked the susan sarandon scene, it showed normal people being relevant and the importance of therapy, it was played extremely poorly because rick is such a dick and was exhausted for all the things he did before getting there, and he wasn't at all ready to hear what she said, she's right, but that exposition was addressed to us rather than at rick, she figured him out in 2 minutes which is something professionals are very accurate at bbut still wait for the right moment to give their true opinions even if at all, he should be there because he wanted to, not out of necesity for a mcguffin to not die
1 likeI like all of the showâs perspective.
1 likeI feel like there's an issue with pretty much every show in that you start with a concept you're very excited about and you have a ton of plans, but after the first season or two you've already explored that concept and got across what you had in mind, yet you somehow have to keep going after that. You've said everything you wanted to say and now you're forced to ramble endlessly and meaninglessly, grasping at some kind of point or message which you're making up as you go along. It's easy to plan a first season, and plenty of writers have ideas about how to follow it up in the second, but after that you run out of your original ideas and have to start creating new ones.
3 likesIn that same vein, you have to keep upping the ante until your character is basically a god, or "the smartest man in the universe", and it becomes difficult to be invested and see some threat when you know your protagonist could punch god and survive a planet crushing them. Think of just about any fiction show or film series and you'll see this trend, but it's perhaps displayed even better in comparison to videogames, where at the start your protagonist is level 1 and they're fighting mindless grunts and then face a weak boss, but by the end they're level 100 and fighting a boss who has the power to destroy the world and every mindless grunt is suddenly a being that could take out an entire army alone while you cleave through hundreds of them without a sweat.
The longer a show goes on, the more it falls into these pitfalls, and the only way to avoid it is to shift gears and start experimenting with new concepts, but doing so alienates your existing fanbase, leaving you with a choice of creating a shallow continuation that's only going to deteriorate in quality, or trying something new and potentially losing fans.
"Can a fandom be so insufferable that they damage their shows reputation beyond repair?"
531 likesIt happened to Undertale and FnaF.
I remember their famdoms very clearly. Not only would the fans gang up on you if you said anything negative about the games, but they would also spam Undertale and FnaF comments on unrelated videos.
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Was in both of those fandoms, can confirm it was fucked
44 likesIâm also fairly confident that both were Only Children but idk
More than a few people got poisoned and hurt due to food tampering by Undertale fans. Like that one artist who got either glass or needles in a cookie from a "fan" who didn't like the art he drew of some characters.
54 likesShit remember when mat pat sparked a fan war between the mother fanbase and undertale fanbase??? I couldn't watch a let's play or video about either one without seeing a flame war in the comment sections đ€Ł
45 likes@slaymaster999 Or when Mat Pat made a huge flame war on TF2 vs OW
28 likesDon't forget Portal! High school was dominated by references to the fucking cake.
10 likes@Lidiloth nah tf2 vs ow already started before matpat made his video, he just added the fuel to the fire
8 likes@Human Person he made it worse
13 likes@Lidiloth I'm noticing a common theme with matpat here.
14 likes@Rugal Bernstein Yeah he makes trash content while making fanbases dislike eachother.
3 likesImagine if I created a TV show or a video game that became popular to the point of being drastically affected the reputation, and I really do understand. The "hatedom" is always aware of that, but they aren't aware by the fact that they just hated the content/media because of experiencing the horrors of the community, and I do admit that these fandoms have negative sides that are outright terrifying. But blaming on the show just because it has fandoms in it is actually the most invalid argument I've ever seen. It's nothing new about it.
11 likesWell, I think Toby Fox even feared his own success of Undertale as we know it.
@Lidiloth Man, you are adding gasoline to a fire, while attempting to stop the fire.
5 likesÄ°t happened on minecraft as well. Ä° would argue that one of the biggest reasons why minecraft fell out of popularity in 2015-2016 was because of its fandom. The fandom turned into a group of insufferable cringy kids that ruined minecrafts reputation and resulted in it being labelled as a "kids game".
8 likes@Radical Larry better than mc youtube twotter
0 likesIt happened to My Hero Academia, a decent superhero anime was soiled by some of the worst fans in history.
2 likesYeah it was really annoying before in fnaf community
0 likes@Lidiloth can you like, chill with the mat pat hate man. Heres a person with flaws and aspirations yet you're here speaking of him as if he only has flaws
2 likesI'll be honest, I've been a huge fan of fnaf for a long time and I never really came in contact with the fandom, and damn I'm hella glad I didn't. the undertale fandom is another story
2 likesIt also happened to Danganronpa, a game series I really enjoyed, but the fandom is just so...
Iâm just gonna say it.
0 likesThe Apprentice fandom
Don't forget JoJo and Homestuck
1 like@Infinity Hand I think msot people have the wrong idea about the JoJo fandom, they're overall pretty wholesome and chill believe it or not.
0 likesTho there are those who will take every oppurtunity to recommend you JoJo and also to constantly repeat the 3 JoJo memes that died years ago; that is not the majority of the fandom. They're mostly very cool, but I can understand why a lot of people think it's a bad fandom
@slaymaster999 dude I have no clue about any of that but I so wish I was there with you on that
0 likesI would argue the Homestuck fandom perfected that. They spawned the undertale fandom and while fnaf doesn't have any direct connections, the fandoms are strikingly similar.
0 likesWhich is unfortunate because theyâre both good games
0 likesClicked for the content, subbed for the ad. That was brilliant, well done.
0 likesI think we can all agree after the twist about ricks multiverse we learned at the end of this last season the issue about rick being the smartest most powerful being kinda becomes mute
0 likesIt took me forever for realize what this title is based off of. It makes me respect you way more that you like good music.
1 like3:20 my dude just spoke a Bible verse right there
2 likesthey had a story going on, infinite ricks and mortys, evil morty who seemed like the whole next season was going to be working around. But nothing happened, no more story building they just kept making episodes with no connection to each other and blamed "infinite universes, these arent the same ricks and mortys"
1 likePickle rick is one of my favorite episodes because of its ridiculousness and did not start the downward spiral.
0 likes28:38 he then does criticise them. i feel like it'd be funnier if he didn't criticise them but he and the creators knew.
0 likes29:01 maybe thats why the fandom wants to identify with him. but he would know he manipulates them and it would be dark
I started watching Rick and Morty after season 3 ended, but before season 4 started. I honestly enjoyed season 3 a lot, even the pickle rick episode. I never really noticed any of the elements that you say made the show go downhill, but I did notice my enjoyment in the drop during season 4. So far, season 5 has been alright, some good some bad. Not trying to make a point or anything, just sharing my opinion.
0 likes"He's not a villain, Summer, but he shouldn't be your hero. He's more like a demon or a super fucked up god." Morty
678 likesThey try to warn you that he's not the one to idolize.
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@Duck Isn't he a Sigma? Lone wolf, non-conformist, but still winning despite it all?
0 likesAlpha? Tf is this, a Wattpad original?
2 likesafter season 5 explained the central finite curve, the second half makes more sense
1 liketo me the show ended with season 2 finale it was an excellent end that they absolutely destroyed in 5 min with season 3 and now it's just good with great animation which i enjoy going through but not as serious as it used to be just feels like nonstop filler, i am looking forward to the next episode as some people are speculating it's about bird person
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i think s4 ep4 was about you
6 likesmaybe it just ain't your thing no reason to keep watching then.
0 likesNever really got into this show. Saw 5 or 6 episodes of season 1 and got kinda bored of it. Maybe I just have a low IQ. Who knows? But I do acknowledge it as a good show regardless if I like it or not.
1 likewould love to see you talk more about the show tbh
0 likesThe McDonald's incidents (because it happened in so many places not just one McDonald's) will forever go down in history of how bad a fandom can get
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It was all a meme
1 like@Jaysef Games
19 likesA bad meme
Red Boi A meme regardless people actually thought the guy was being legit even though he was faking for views and making fun of rick and morty fans
1 likeI remember Dan Harmon had a meltdown on twitter over it and got aggressive with fans who didnt agree with him
9 likesSuperiorartemis Dan Harmon is a sad pathetic man and should really embrace that. It would make him more likable and funny.
14 likesI think driving fans to suicide is worse, but sure.
1 like@Dominique Smith
3 likesYeah but the other videos of Rick and Morty fans harrasing McDonald staff?
The guy screaming on the counter was a skit, and McDonalds brought back that stupid sauce to just a few locations without talking to or collaborating with Adult Swim or the show creators. Itâs dumb that people lined up for a fast food sauce, but the fans got the blame for a skit and marketing incompetence.
0 likes@Chat-Mort
1 likeAgain you're just using that one guys videos as a shield to deflect the many other locations in which fans overreacted and harrased staff
honestly
0 likesthe season until beth actually divorced jerry was the best for me
I think the back half of season 4 and season 5 have shown a slow and subtle improvement
1 likesaying "nothing matters" is the same as saying something is priceless.
0 likesI feel like season 5 has been good
1 likeI'm impressed that emp - a 20-something-sounding skinny white guy - is sponsored by an an anti-hairloss company
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He is half asian but yeah
29 likestypical American mentioning race when it's completely irrelevant
58 likesOk Christ sorry his point wasnât about race I just felt like correcting it cos I noticed it my bad
6 likes1. Not sure why being skinny and white is relevant.
13 likes2. It's called Keeps it's not for people who have already lost their hair, therefore age is irrelevant.
*edit lol and I didn't even know but others have said he's not even white....so wtf? Oh man. Next someone else will say he's 200lb's! Not that that would invalidate my original post.
@AscraeusOrange how do u know?
0 likes@TheEdMaster - he said it in his Shrek your privilege Video or sth like that& also I basically stalk emplemon, I know his name, where he went to high school and that he was a math tutor in grade 10
4 likesIdfk I spend my time on stupid shit like this
@TheEdMaster Emp has shown his face before, and he looks Asian-ish, plus he's mentioned being part Chinese I think.
1 likeHeli The Chemical ill be petty and say heâs Half Asian, calling him either is inaccurate and semi disrespectful to one parent or the other. He has a Chinese mother and an American White father.
6 likes@Josh Farrar - yeah you make a good point, Iâll concede
0 likesBut do Seasons 4 and 5 work without Season 3; the answer is no. Because there's a lot of established points that the later seasons entirely hinge upon. It's the setups and character explorations that put the characterisation set pieces in order ready for those later seasons. The whole god complex issue is literally addressed in season 3 and 4 but spurred out of the events of season 2.
0 likesSeason 5 seems to be getting back on track
3 likes1:02 rick and morty was a show unlike anything on adult swim
0 likes2:24 in many ways Rick and morty is just like every show on adult swim
I watch as an addict who enjoys a good in my feelings true to reality depiction of addiction in tv
0 likesI've gotta applaud the insane production speeds on these videos, well done.
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team fortress 2 video
4 likesEmpâs editing and production quality and speed is always top notch, mans got it
8 likesFax
1 likehello there, MAXBOXLMAOBOX
0 likesDownwardBox
0 likesPetition for "pickling the Rick" to be the updated form of "jumping the shark"
0 likesI love the shown for how fucking chaotic it is
3 likeswatching the initial segment of the vid about adult swim and how they "handed artists the reins" to make the shows they wanted, is disappointing knowing that Sam Hyde and Million Dollar Extreme received the exact opposite treatment just for their political leanings.
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I guess no one cares about "Separate art from artist" lesson.
0 likesProve me wrong.
season 3 was still good, while not as good as 1 and 2, it wasn't bad as 4 and 5.
1 likeI think they jumped the shark with the time travel snakes episode. they broke their "no time travel" rule.
seasons 4 and 5 have the most bad or filler episodes. it's like they fired the writers or something. it's jarring.
season 3 still felt like made by the same people.
You should do the history of Antarctic expeditions.
290 likesI thought that when you did the world highest jump record progression, it was really cool.
So, maybe this could be better.
Just an idea.
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@Zilionis 800 lmao
1 likeYes
0 likesI would watch that in a heartbeat
Get this comment to top.
1 likeSeason 5 feels like a return to the "plot" for me really happy with it because yeah season 3 and 4 were fun but felt aimless
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Yeah but it felt like they were trying their hardest not to tell the story like they were rushing through it so they can go back to the same old shit
0 likesThe irony is i watched specific episodes of seasons 1 and 2
0 likesBut I watched all of season 5 in order
Anytime someone says season five isnât good
I am like are you kidding me???
Yes like southpark it needs to decide to do 7 stand alone episodes that can be watched out of order
And 3 continuity episodes
People are mad at the anti climactic of evil Morty
But I like it
If you discovered the multiverse you would realize you are NOT the smartest man alive
Thatâs why Rick literally made the central finite curve his immaturity and ego
But now he accepts Morty a little more
As an equal
They both pushed the lever
He went from wanting to destroy the citadel to save the Mortys and ricks on it
As I watch seasons 3 and 4
I know some people will disagree
But I loved Negan in the walking dead
So season 7-11 are my favorite walking dead seasons
I have no interest in walking dead seasons 1-6
Cause the Rick in the walking dead was a prick who had no dick
And didnât know shit
The irony is I am sure Iâll piss off 100+ Rick grimes fans
But I like Rick and Morty now
It feels better written
Planetina
Me nimbus
Decoy families Aka Squids
Memory inceptions
Season 5 was awesome
I feel like Rick and Morty is one of those pieces of media where both sides of the people who love it and hate it are kinda filled with shitty people
0 likesFucking sucks how the show just decided to âwe are now just anime referencesâ
2 likesI actually like the therapist scene, too many fans think of themselves as a "Rick", and the therapist kind of highlighted how that's not a good thing. It was a well written scene, really the only issue I had with it is how most "Ricks" probably didn't listen, and were too busy losing their minds over Pickle Rick. So I think it's more of an issue with the episode and placement than the scene itself.
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I agree. Stripping the "mysticism" of the show was brilliant. Rick isn't amazing, hes just a guy, and a pretty broken one at that. But when the fandom ignored that bit and hyperfocused on a lame joke, I think the creators realized how much their vision of the show had diverged with the audience's. So much so that I believe they didn't know what to do after that. Of course, Pickle Rick might have been the vision all along and our interpretation of the show is the one not in sync with the author's.
102 likesI would agree, if the therapist character wasn't the self-insert of one of the writers. :/
46 likes@LTB Yeah, that part of it is a little goofy, but i've seen muuuuch worse writer inserts! Like that one dude who put his self insert into the powerpuff girls reboot to date blossom.
52 likes@LTB
8 likesDoes that actually matter though? Does the character in anyway not suit the created universe?
@Rude My Dude puts gun in mouth
5 likesElectric Boogie bro whos mouth Iâm scared
9 likes@Rude My Dude All of 'em.
1 likeshes a mary sue. Nothing good about that scene
3 likes@Shadow111111 I don't see why a character on screen for a few minutes in the entire series would need to be anything else though. Not every minor character needs to be fleshed out!
12 likes@Rude My Dude Do you think there's a dichotomy between fleshed out and mary sue?
4 likesYeah, imo the fandom was getting out of hand. To many people think rick is a role model, the therapist scene was needed to make people stop using the show to justify being assholes. The irony is people that think rick is great tend to hate the therapists
6 likes@Lurk Snitchtongue i was actually confusing mary sue with jane doe, my bad, but either way, she was a therapist doing her job for a few minutes, why would they need to show her flaws, to prevent "mary sueism"? what would be the point? And what would the viewers gain out of it when the scene is supposed to be about Rick going to therapy?
6 likes@Lurk Snitchtongue And most importantly, she seems like a realistic human being, and definitely a realistic therapist.
4 likes@Rude My Dude therapists aren't nearly that heavy handed, they don't have "gotcha!" moments because it'll only make a patient clam up and dislike them.
6 likesElectric Boogie I get what youâre saying, from an outside perspective, it does seem like a âgotchaâ, but in context of the scene, Rick insulted the therapist and the idea of her career, and what she said boils down to âfrom what your family has told me, youâre just as imperfect as the rest of usâ She didnât attempt to alienate him, she was just being realistic, and going off of what she was told
4 likes@Rude My Dude The crux of being a therapist is not being emotional and doing your best to help patients my boy, even if they insult you, especially if they insult you. Insults are usually a self defense mechanism, and the dumbest thing a therapist could do is fire back with condescension. Their job is to break through shells, not make them even thicker. That's why it comes off as a self insert of the writer who just wanted to own Rick.
11 likesIts also super out of character for Rick to respond the way he did - which is another reason it comes off as so cringy. as EZPZ put it "in a past season he would have broken down her belief in herself and her career, then sold her into slavery to aliens not out of malice, but so he could play video games at a galactic arcade." And that's someone who doesn't even like the show saying that. That outcome would have been infinitely more in the tone with the show, actually funny, and not feel like a blatant self insert mary sue.
People don't just think a character is a mary sue for no reason; the biggest red flag that a character is a mary sue is when they have an intellectual gravitational field. That is to say if being around a character saps another character of their intelligence or competence, the first character is probably a Mary sue.
â@Lurk Snitchtongue I'm not saying that you don't have a reason to think she's a Mary Sue, I just disagree. I don't know man, I thought it was a good contrast to Rick's lack of emotional intelligence. Also that scenario sounds waaaay more like later Rick than early Rick, he was always an asshole, but he had heart (well, for the most part)! Now he's one step away from "Jerkass Homer" but with a brain and a bodycount
4 likesAgreed
0 likes@Felipe Jaquez Oh trust me, some people do need to be told that
5 likes@Rude My Dude A: a good writer doesn't moralize his characters so heavy handedly. As Chekhov once said, you only write the truth, to look at it subjectively is up to the reader.
7 likesB: Building your writing around the lowest common denominator is how you make shit.
@Lurk Snitchtongue look man, i'm just enjoying the scene in a lowbrow casual kind of way, i'm not trying to do an analysis of the writing
1 likeâ@Rude My Dude You're defending this scene like its an abusive lover. People don't need to analyse a scene for it to feel off, bad writing is pretty widely recognized even if you can't explain why its bad. For example: the scene in question. Analysis of writing is simply explaining why a scene doesn't work, but recognizing it as not working is something most people can do inherently. Kind of like how you can recognize a smoking engine is bad even if you can't explain what exactly is wrong with your car.
6 likes@Lurk Snitchtongue LIKE AN ABUSIVE LOVER? yeah you got me dude, this scene gaslit me and now everything in my life revolves around this 3 minute scene that i enjoyed when I watched it once because without it i'm craaaazy
2 likesâ@Lurk Snitchtongue Writing is subjective, it's an art, all I said in my original statement is that I liked it. I'm really sorry you feel so strongly about it, at least enough to come back to it a week later. I encourage you to disagree.
1 like@Rude My Dude You know one of the most common signs of autism is taking a joke way too seriously
3 likesâ@Lurk Snitchtongue bro making autism jokes is a common sign of being unfunny
2 likesâ@Rude My Dude >writing is subjective
5 likeslmao. No its not. Whether you like a work is subjective, but there are objective qualifiers of good writing. The only people who say writing is subjective is people trying to defend trash writing that they have run out of arguments for (you). You started with saying its a well written scene, but how can that be true if all writing is subjective? Couldn't you only say its a scene that's written in an enjoyable way to you? Of course that's idiotic, there are such things as well written or poorly written scenes, you're simply back peddling because you can't respond to someone who actually understands what goes into good writing.
@Lurk Snitchtongue Uhhhhhhhh, I think you're aggrandizing this entire conversation to be some kind of debate to win or lose, so if it makes you feel any better, you win? I really thought we agreed to disagree like a week ago
3 likesAgreed. The scene did speak to the audience, but I feel that chalking the Therapy Scene in Pickle Rick scene up to that, and that alone, overlooks an important point.
3 likesThe therapist accurately nailed and spelled out Rick's issues not just to his face, but to Beth's and the kids'. And Beth and Rick immediately blew it off, which tells us a lot about... well, okay, it doesn't tell us anything about Rick that we didn't know already, but it speaks volumes to Beth's willingness to overlook her father's issues to the detriment of her family, even when she gets slapped across the face with them, even as she claims she wants to fix them. Therapy was HER idea!
Beth wants things to get better, but she doesn't want to acknowledge why they're bad. She wants someone to give her an answer that doesn't involve admitting her father is toxic and horrible. She doesn't want to listen. But the kids? The kids listened, and wanted to go back... and were ignored.
Rick has narcissistic tendencies and therefore attracts fans with narcissistic tendencies in themselves who relate to him and are drawn to his perceived indifference, as that is something they tend to strive for and lack resulting from their obsession with image above all else, along with his elevated intelligence that allows him to be so entitled, resonating with either how they view themselves or wish to view themselves as a means of justification for those self-serving behaviors, and ultimately because one of the main traits of narcissism is the inability to accept personal criticism on any level they are only capable of deflecting her criticism.
3 likesFrankly Iâve recently been developing a theory that narcissism is becoming more and more common in society which is why Iâm so genuinely grateful that the progression of awareness in things like mental illness advocacy, therapy, and care for mental health has allowed for them to become much less stigmatized and more commonly propagated because otherwise narcissists and people with narcissistic tendencies are significantly less likely to get the help they need and thus further adding to the problem by passing on these traits to future generations.
Why do I take the time to write things like this, though, is what is truly most baffling.
@Buffy Summers :citations required:
2 likesLegoTurtle Brickfilms we
0 likesSame. It was satisfying because itâs exactly what I had wanted to yell at the narcissists blindly idolizing Rick like they do Tyler durden or bojack horseman
1 like@blake Tyler Durden was the John (of JDatE) of the mid 1990s. In other words why wouldn't you idolize him?
0 likesIt's a little too on the nose, but I see it's worth.
1 like@Lurk Snitchtongue That's why characters need some flaws. However, Mary Sues are perfect but the biggest irony is that the "perfection" is part of a flaw as well. Take a look at One Punch Man, for example. He's a superhero who is extremely overpowered and being OP is one of his flaws.
2 likesImagine that you have a life as a Mary Sue. You got your strengths, you got a lot of people who adored you, and you get everything you want. The problem is that your "perfection" is nothing more than just an obstacle course that easily prevent you from living in a normal life as a human being. Perfection is just an illusion where being "neat" can make you inhumane. That's why flaws are important to everyone. We all made mistakes, and once you made mistakes can depend whatever the fate you come across -- fixing it or facing the karma of your actions.
@Mr. Friendship This reminds me of the "you have to be very high IQ to like Richard and Mortimer" meme
1 like@nerdtronis141 I would say the whole season was great, the mysticism if anything is the serialized story going on between seasons and they show very little because I donât think Rick and morty is trying to be deep as much as itâs trying to be entertaining and explore ideas we donât expect, making it a hit or miss show but the new season was great IMO
0 likesBut is a shitty way of saying it, the pickle rick episode is full of bombastic and violent scenes and the ending is... that
0 likes@Lurk Snitchtongue While the Rick and Morty memes are fine, I think the fandom took it way too seriously for that one. Memes are just Internet jokes for fun, not acting like it's a trophy for being a comedian at some sort.
1 likeNow I canât watch the show, because I finally understand why I canât enjoy it anymore. And Iâm ok with that
2 likes27:30 fast forward to now and Rick and Morty is STILL a super marketing machine ads they make with companyâs get put in videos with millions of views and interest in the show as at an all time high
7 likesSeason 5 is basically Family Guy. Crazy, "zany and random" stuff happens and then everything's back to normal at the end of the episode with no impact on the characters. The latest episode featuring Bird Person was a nice change though and there was actually some backstory and development.
1 likeThe new season is looking great!
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@Mercury yeah i felt the same way s4 felt dead
0 likesNow talk about Xavier Renegade Angel, the show with weapons grade philosophical insight.
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Isnt that show making fun of spirituality and philosophy
50 likesi think its a real shame that that show is now just known for being where Rick and Morty detractors went once the fandom went bad
33 likes@Xane Divine Dragon in a way, but mostly it's an experiment to see how edgy you can get before getting cancelled
23 likesnochtczar less edgy, more just nonsensical and less appealing to basically anyone but the showâs creators. Too bad the show is actually really good and super fucking funny lol
30 likeswtf is that
1 likeIt's a show that is simultaneously complete random drivel and strangely meaningful.
4 likesman, what was up with that show? it was like a YTP with extra steps
6 likes@PatrickTheGod Drug trip with PS2 graphics that feels insightful and completely meaningless at the same time. It's very similar to The Shivering Truth, which is a more modern Adult Swim fever dream about nothing. XRA's incoherent ramblings have amazing untapped meme potential: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJ__1lmPJWY
7 likesSeason 1 was great. Season 2, not so much, especially when Xavier stopped sounding like a wise shaman spouting off insane nonsense and more like someone deliberately trying to be wacky and random.
0 likesYasssss
0 likesThat show deserves more popularity
1 likeThat show was fuckin cool
0 likes@FreeToPlay Scout the shivering truth is made by the same people who made XRA I think
2 likes@Xane Divine Dragon It's basically a show that says "No matter what you believe in, just don't go into the deep end of it"
4 likes@nochtczar
1 likeIronic that the show ended up getting a bad rep not because of the show it's self but because of Rick and Morty fans
I remember when that shit came out, ahhhhhh yes, the era of much drug experimentation combined with GOOD shows on adult awim
0 likes@đđŸđŹđŽ đđȘđŹđź Eets a good show!
1 likeIt's really sad what Rick and Morty has turned into. When I first heard about it, I brushed it off as another Family Guy rip off but after seeing Rick try to off himself, I ended up binge watching the whole thing. Season 2 was definitely the best and probably the most heartfelt with a lot of fun episodes and now it seems like the show has become essentially a Family Guy in space. I agree with all you said about season 3, besides like 3 episodes, it really wasn't anything to write home about. Fortunately, they did retcon the fabricated backstory stuff which I never cared for anyway especially with how Rick reacted, I knew something had to be up with the whole Beth and Diane situation even if what happened may not have been true. Season 3 was essentially a very mediocre season with a couple episodes that were some of the lowest for the series. It didn't help that each season was worse than the previous. Season 5 was outright horrible. There was barely anything memorable besides jokes here and there and finally revealing some lore. That's all, like I can't recommend that season at all. The good parts (which aren't a whole lot of) are all on youtube.
0 likesCharacters don't grow, consequences don't last or matter, and every character seems to be a Rick in some way, which ruins the original dynamic of especially Rick and Morty themselves. I was fine with Morty as the anxious, normal, innocent kid but now he just seems like a mostly sociopathic angsty teen rebel whose motivations are now selfish and even sometimes evil instead of altruistic. While they brought his altruism back for the penultimate season 5 episode, it was pretty much for only one scene, the rest of the episode just involves him selfishly trying to make friends with a crazy person.
I also miss the more heartwarming moments of the show. I'm not going to say that there aren't any but they seem to be getting less and less as Rick becomes more distant from his family and his family becomes more hostile to him. While I do have a lot of problems with the fake breakup scene in and of itself, that scene could've been a great opportunity to show a genuine moment of affection from Rick but we didn't even get that. He just gave Morty his portal gun (MORTY, a GUY WHO FUCKS SHIT UP IN ALMOST EVERY ADVENTURE) and then bounced. Like no hugs or kisses. It really shows how unaffectionate Rick seems to be these past few seasons. In seasons 1 and 2, Rick was abusive but had a few moments of genuine bonding with his family and now Rick just seems to be distant and doesn't have that many heartwarming moments with his family anymore.
It's sad because even though I have never been the biggest fan of Rick and Morty, I had a lot of hope for the show. It was refreshing for its time and it had a lot of potential to grow and capitalize on its uniqueness and depth but instead, it just beats itself over and over again partly because of its dumb fanbase and because of how Adult Swim has been treating it (70 episodes?! come the fuck on!). Season 5 has made me so enraged to the point where I don't think I'd even really call myself a fan anymore. I lost respect for the show since season 4 but season 5 made me the most angry.
I'm not going to abandon all hope and I'm still going to continue watching the show if there's an episode I'm interested in but they seriously got to fix this show. Bring the original writers back and hopefully get Justin back assuming he's not too busy with Solar Opposites because at this point, I fear Rick and Morty is going to keep digging a deeper ditch until it becomes a complete shell of its former self, a show that nobody will care about in the future.
if you let someone tell you how you should feel about a show, and you believe them, you never liked it in the first place. its that simple.
0 likes"can a fandom become so insufferable that it damages a show beyond repair" .... just ask the psycho fans over at Star Wars who try to get current actors to kill themselves because they don't agree with the writing of a character.
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I don't really think the writers of the sequels were taking into account what most Star Wars fans wanted when they were writing their stories. That is an example of toxic fans, but I don't think it impacted the writing of the show much like he was talking about.
0 likesThey messed that up on their own because the different teams for the movies had terrible communication between themselves. So the movies ended up being sloppily made because each movie was trying to go in a different direction.
Too many chefs will spoil the broth and all that.
I think the season finale of s5 gives me hope. Heâs no longer the smartest man in the multiverse⊠I really hope they make him vulnerable in a potential season 6
17 likesAnd I desperately want more family drama
I like villains more because no matter what they're doing, they tend to have a reason for it, no matter how obtuse it may be. A hero only exists to stop the bad guy, and really their only considered good BECAUSE they try to stop bad shit from happening. If it wasn't for the villain, they'd probably just be a regular dude.
0 likespeople just want to give everything a meaning in a show even when there is none.
0 likesRick and Morty is literally my favourite show.
0 likesi miss when rick and morty was just a goofy adult swim show id watch with my buddies in high school. now its this big nihilist IQ check or something.
0 likesYou know when i started watching I didn't expect Rick to be compared to Gex.
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GOTY baybeeh
23 likesIs it not Gex night?
22 likesEmp is a fan of videogamedunkey so it makes sense
3 likesRemind me to never drink tap water at Jerry Garcia's house.
23 likesbeingbutter No, itâs tail time
6 likesScott the woz crossover?
1 likeThis is like a luau at Frank Pastony's house
0 likesI think the therapist was there bc otherwise none of them, especially Rick is going to have a conversation and acknowledge his flaws on his own. Plus the writers could have also been saying with that episode, this is who Rick is, stop your theories lol even though everything the therapist says can definitely be gathered by everything we have seen and heard about Rick before the episode.
0 likesThat ad read made me crack up lmaooo
1 likeGotta love adult swim
0 likesThis is possibly a VERY underrated opinion in the Rick and Morty fandom..but I have no problem with Jerry. I don't like him, I don't HATE him...he's just there. I'm neutral when it comes to him tbh.
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Heâs a good character
0 likesThey should have made pickle Rick similar as fly episode in Breaking Bad.
0 likesOne out of the place episode to break tension and then have show go on same phase as before
I still watch the show. But it's formulaic in a bad way. I agree with the entire video.
1 likeI don't think the show has any point to it. But, it's something I guess.
This video needs a remake now theyâre pulling out all the stops!
0 likesI see Rick and Morty as the cartoon that showed the mainstream midia, and even fandom users, how flawed fandons are
0 likesAt the end of the day, fandoms in general were never meant to be consumed in big masses, and along with social midia, made us more anti-social than ever
Thereâs a reason the Ricklantis Mixup/Tales from the Citadel is the best rated episode of the show, because when they focus on the world, the relationships, the actual dark, nihilistic yet comedic world, instead of just one dark nihilistic man, itâs a much better show
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Yeah, as much as I like the wacky fun episodes, I'm way more interested in the worldbuilding in Rick and Morty, that shit is really fun and creative, seeing a world shaped with different versions of 2 people and the relationship of these two individuals being the central piece of how that place is built. Basically, wacky stuff with actual consequences.
19 likesWow itâs almost like âepisodicâ doesnât have to mean senseless shock cynical noise for 22 minutes lol
9 likesEmpLemon's wrong on this one. Rick and Morty is pretty bad. Its 'comedy' is terribly pretentious with Dan Harmon and Justin Roiland self inserting their weird fetishes.
10 likesAnime Reviews With Trip so...all comedy?
0 likesthat might actually be the best episode of the show, is barely funny, but it has good quality, season 3 was mostly mediocre with some decent moments (episodes 1, 7 and 8 were decent enough, the other not so much) but the show has already fallen
0 likes@Anime Reviews With Trip Are you just going to keep commenting this everywhere?
2 likes@Wyllowisp I think episodes like interdimention cable from season 1 and even the snakes episode in season 4 show the problem was never wakey adventures or specific story plots, just make something interesting, I hated the sedital until ricklantis mixup and the snakes episode is probaby my favourite from season 4 because it plays the obsurdity of a planet of just snakes completely straight
0 likesthe other episodes from Season 3 just bother me because I never came to the show to see a therapist tell Rick why he's unhappy but fail to do anything about it or Beth being fucked up kid because Rick was never around, i think the show is great why it just be's itself and doesn't care about making more people like it, Season 3's best episode to me is why Rick and Jerry just hangout, yeah Rick tells Jerry off but by the end of it they both respect eachother until later episodes make them get on eachothers nerves like what the hell happened, I guess nothing really does matter
Wyllowisp Morty as a character is so perfectly built to be our surrogate in this world, as naive as the audience and so the show is not jarring when Morty has things explained to him. When they only focus on Rick, and heâs the smartest man ever, they canât go into world building or explaining, because Rick already knows it all so thereâs nothing that needs to be explained to him, and when he explains things it never feels weighty because he explains it as if heâs seen it a million times, and heâs seen a million better things
0 likesAnime Reviews With Trip itâs a matter of taste and there are some episodes that fall completely flat for me. Donât really laugh at loud at any shows so the clever jokes do entertain me, but it gets a bit repetitive after a while
0 likesNahuel Ahpa I personally think it is and itâs the best rated and the lack of out and out jokes is a real reason. The show is hugely influenced by nihilism and âthe absurdâ but it takes a very elitist view of these things threw Rick. Our Rick has the privilege of being able to laugh at the absurdity of it all, how nothing really means anything, like Albert Camus wrote about, but Tales of the Citadel shows us that isnât the reality. Not to get too bleak or philosophical but, yes laughing at the absurdity of everything might be great, but I still need to pay rent, and in that episode we see Ricks and Mortyâs who know the world is meaningless, theyâre no dumber than Rick C137, but they have lives they have to live.
0 likesSo⊠I disagree that there is a âshow donât tell issueâ about how to feel. I think you are interpreting it the wrong wayâ to anyone these things were obvious, the therapist is a device to advance the show past the 4th wall where we accept the emotional weakness and vulnerability of the Rick character. Bethâs reliance on her relationship with her family and kids is the REAL narrative of that episode. I personally have enjoyed the journey to Rickâs playing field, because it means the fall is coming and I look forward to this. The plot devising is so much of what makes R&M flow so wellâ the nihilism is the aimlessness. The getting back is the aimlessness, that is the POINT!!!
0 likeskind of happy i never got into rick and morty, just so that i never had to deal with all those jackasses
1 likeThe fandom is one of the most toxic communities out there. I wouldn't recommend it to anyone
0 likesTo be fair, you need to have high body fat percentage to understand Brick and Mortar.
0 likesI agree with a lot of this, but I did feel a sliver of hope with the most recent season's finale. It brought back a lot of the older family dynamics that I loved from earlier seasons, and despite Rick's crazy combat abilities he still gets the shit beat out of him with ease. Rick is shown up multiple times both intellectually and physically by his own daughter, and damn is it satisfying. Maybe I'm being too optimistic, but I'm hoping they're capture that same energy for the next season and bring back some of the show's old charm.
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I think the last season was more all over the place in quality then the other season. It had some of the best episodes in the series and also some of the worst. Does not mean the show is actually bad now.
18 likes@A L yeah I like that space Beth is her own person and is a far cry better then she's been all series by having a life outside the family which she really needed, I feel toning down Rick was fine but the whole family shitting on him feels more like everybody not realizing chastising Rick for being unpleasant isn't gonna make him go "hey everyone your right I really should change my ways and be better" it's gonna make him isolate from the family more and I don't think they care
5 likesI dont know, the last episode felt weird.
0 likesno, the writing is worse and nothing is gonna change that
0 likesI actually feel like Rick wasn't handled that well in season 4. You bring up how he has "crazy combat abilities", but the writers' solution to it was to have him basically not use any of them. In one scene, he literally has a device that completely shields him from an actual smite from a greek god, flies directly to him, and then stops using any and all technology to have a fist fight with him and lose when the point of Rick is that he can and has probably already created an appropriate gadget to get him out of any threatening situation.
0 likesSeason 4 was the only season I enjoyed so far.
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1 likeThe Simpsons peaked with seasons 6 and 7 so you never know
Though season 5 ended up being their weakest but I am hoping they take the cliff hangar they left us on seriously and introduce an element limitation to Rick in the season 6
0 likesI mean I still love the show.
0 likesIn my opinion, this past season has been all about who Rick and Morty are when separated from each other. Think about it. There has been one, maybe two, if you count the turkey episode, (But that was more about Rick and Fauxbamaâs dynamic), where itâs actually beeen the standard Rick and Morty adventure. And while I certainly miss the dynamic, as I enjoyed how they played off of each other, especially in the later seasons, itâs a refreshing change and an interesting exploration of both their characters and what happens when a specific aspect of them gets out of control:
1 likeEpisode 1: Mortyâs crush on Jessica
Episode 2: Rickâs plans for every eventuality
Episode 3: Mortyâs need for love and companionship and Rickâs ultimate succumb to said need.
Episode 4: As much as we all hate this episode, Mortyâs H O R N Y.
Episode 5: Rickâs berating of Jerry and both Summer and Mortyâs needs to be popular (though thatâs just standard teenage fare)
Episode 6: Rickâs overconfidence.
Episode 7: Rickâs over-ambition
Episode 8: Rickâs secret keeping and how he keeps important secrets from everyone unless he believes he needs to tell them.
Now, the finale seems to be a much more overt exploration of the initial pitch, literally being marketed with, âWhatâs Rick without Morty?â We could get some stuff from the citadel this season if the possible pattern from seasons 1 and 3 keeps up or this could be an exploration of another facets of the characters of the two. Either way, Iâm looking forward to it, and hopefully it doesnât suck.
Any time I think of the R&M Fandom I think of that guy jumping on the counter of that McDonald's screaming "I'm pickle Rick"
1 likeEmpLemon: Iâm not nihilistic.
251 likesAlso EmpLemon: Downward spiral downward spiral.
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"you might as well aim for the bottom"
12 likes"you just might end up on top"
he spoke his own prophecy
Ngl Iâve enjoyed every season of Rick and morty. There are some hit or miss episodes but as a whole itâs still amazing
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1 likeDon't forget the romanticisation of mob characters like:
Tony Soprano, Tony Montana, Vito Corleone, every mob character DeNiro or Joe Pesci ever played etc.
I can't lie this video kinda made me wanna grab a bunch of animators and make "Rick And Morty: Season 2 Extended" and the arc of Rick being in intergalactic prison
0 likesYeah I guess the therapist scene in the pickle rick episode is decisive because that was one of my favorite parts of the show and really resonated with me. I found it poignant and a cool counter punch to rick's ego that had been steadily building but then watching him blow her off in the car ride back just felt right. like this is a show where people don't learn lessons and have introspection for brief moments so to me it all felt fitting and maybe i'm just a sucker for snappy writing but she has some great lines in there. I watch rick and morty expecting to have my blown with some new whacky premise and watch terrible people deal with insane chaotic situations and have clever reparte along the way. I think the family element is important is it's the glue that holds the characters together but it isn't as essential as you make it out. I think if it was we'd miss more characters of the family. but we could go 3 episodes with out beth jerry or summer and not miss much.
0 likesI like how this video is basically the âyou have to be an intellect to fully understand Rick and Mortyâ copypasta but not really in the âpseudo intellectualâ way
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The copypasta is the definition of pseudointellectualism so taking that aspect out leaves you with nothing.
18 likesIt basically is the same considering he tried to connect it to Futurama, despite there being zero connection beyond both being comedies, solely because he enjoyed both of them.
5 likes@ChaosSwissroIl they're both popular sci-fi cartoons
9 likes@AngryReacts OnlyPlease
2 likesSo, you clearly either didn't watch the video or skimmed through it without absorbing what Emp was saying.
@AngryReacts OnlyPlease take your meds
3 likes@ChaosSwissroIl the video literally says that even though Futurama might be the first thing you compare it to, it has more in common with the Simpsons, though??
1 like@toilet ball He doesn't even use the words properly either
1 like@AngryReacts OnlyPlease
0 likes @AngryReacts OnlyPleaseÂ
1) I've never watched Rick and Morty, and I never claimed to have a "high iq".
2) Your original comment appears to say that because there are different themes within Futurama and Rick and Morty that the two shows cannot be compared or related to each other. Emp's video showcases several reasons the shows can be compared. Therefore I assumed that you hadn't watched the video or missed the areas in which the shows are obviously comparable in your rush to make your point.
3) And calling me a "troglodyte" and "mongoloid" for making a single incorrect assumption shows you to be a shining pinnacle of human brilliance, doesn't it?
Can't have character development without repeating the same life lessons or the characters losing their characteristic flaws.
0 likesI'd say the deeper the character the longer the series goes on. But too much depth could feel artificial (unless...).
I wouldn't know how far a constant dupe would go - Having the character(s) seem to have learned from their mistakes, only to remake the same mistakes/avoidances. Just take The Simpsons for example. How did that show keep going?
to me every season has 2 or 3 mediocre episodes. I heaven't noticed any trend in quality and the first episode of season 5 was awesome.
0 likesLove when that Gran Turismo music bangs in to signal a new point about to be made, 10/10 good shit
0 likesMay i also add that rick and morty was abit better at capturing an international audience whereas simpsons mainly captured north americans in the first few years of its existence. it helped ramp up the popularity online a great deal. There is just much more overall relatability in each episode.
0 likesLiking a series and then having the fandom give it a horrible reputation is something that I hate so much, it happens to me more than it should
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Wow you are so special
6 likesYeah, kinda makes you feel bad for enjoying it
30 likesWho is fandom? Don't know him
1 likeYeah
0 likesLike Among us or Fnf
0 likesSucks because a much more impressive and creative side of the fandom usually exists only to be derided because all the mega obsessed freaks with no creative input or contribution to the fandom destroyed it. So both the talented indivduals and the closet/casual fans are burned by extension
2 likesUgh same, before R&M the most toxic fandom I liked the show of was Steven Universe đ«
1 likeAnother perfect example is Twenty One Pilots..
0 likesundertale, fnaf, rick and morty, etc
0 likesLove Rick & Morty (like a kid thatâs been naughty!) âđŸđŻâ€ïžđđŸđ€Ł
0 likesI Think rick and Morty possesses the unique ability to make a season for the fans on purpose, to grow its cultural presence, then disobey it and return to its roots by directly calling it out in the show. Dan Harmon expressed the same when he returned to Community in season 4 or 5, referring to the year of season 3 as the âgas leakâ year (or was it season 4 i forget, but still.) Rick and morty is redeemable.
0 likesSomething that gets missed when talking about the Rick and Morty fandom is that the clip of the guy at mcdonalds did that purposefully to copyright the video and sell it as a "Cringe meme." he also had videos that showed him going to a library and renting out mein kampf, they too were copyrighted and sold.
1 likeDaaamn the dysfunctional family aspect is why i watch this show
0 likesSeason 3 actually had 2 of my favorite episodes (rickshank redemption and ricklantis mixup).
1 likeThe amount of episodes itâs getting compared to the time is pretty good in terms of anime time stares at attack on Titan and all those amazing anime that end at 12 episodes and never start again
1 likeThis is the 2nd channel tonight thats surprised me with gran turismo music in the midst of the documentary lol its so cool to see such a variety of music... its fun recognizing all of your song choices! Great video!
1 likeI didnt knew people dont like the show? I thought it would still be hyped af. I love to see every episode and I'm thrilled for what happens next in the story
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same here.... strange.
0 likesYeah personally i think its a narrative put on by a small majority of people that hate the show for some reason
0 likesThe therapist in Pickle Rick was actually a self-insert for one of the new writers on the show, who said something along the lines of âI wanted to put Rick in his place.â
64 likesWhich is why Rick, so out of character, never responds to what the therapist says to him.
No matter what the showâs defenders say, this moment didnât have any meaning behind it. It was just a power fantasy for a new writer on the team.
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Can anyone think of an example where a self-insert character hasn't turned out terribly? Seriously, it should be taught in Writing 101: NO SELF INSERTS.
4 likesSource? I'm actually pretty curious about this.
3 likesMust have link.
2 likesCommenting to see if someone does.
Source?
1 likeOn the DVD commentary for pickle Rick, one of the woman writers explains the idea was to castrate Rick's male power privilege or something, and the pickle Rick is a metaphor for Rick's penis having it's own adventure
10 likesDidn't she and Harmon have a podcast where she said the role was supposed to go to an Asian because racism in Hollywood? And that the uninterrupted monologue was just to give a diversity hire the spotlight? But the role ended up going to an established white actress anyway?
9 likesEdit: Found it. First episode https://www.danharmonsucks.com/podcasts/whiting-wongs/
07:10 to skip the cringe
Every. Single. Time.
6 likes@Golden Hanz rohan kishibe from jojos part 4 was a pretty cool character
1 likealfa01spotivo
1 likethe big difference is rohan kishibe is similar to hirohiko araki, but rohan isnt made to be araki
@Golden Hanz Slaughterhouse Five by Kurt Vonnegut
0 likes@C Good example. He's a good writer. Too bad Jessica Gao isn't anywhere near his level otherwise we could have avoided fanfiction levels of self-insert from her.
0 likesI am r&m superfan and this video is on point Mr Lemon
1 likeThe show was good, the show is still good, the community was good, the community is no longer good. Sadly after pickle Rick it was blown up and everyone just memed it. They never returned to the original style.
0 likesSeason 4 got better. I think they learned from the mistakes of season 3
1 likeStill a proud Rick and morty fan, even more proud that Iâm not a crazy dipshit
1 likeAnother example of people not really knowing why they like what they like. Artists shouldn't listen to fans, if fans knew about that sort of stuff they'd be artists themselves.
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Unless they fuck up horribly like Sticker Star and Color Splash.
24 likesIt's double edged. Sometimes you get producers/show runners working on an established IP, who don't understand what made it great in the first place.
28 likesi.e. new Star Trek.
I liked rick and morty i did have a little meh moment. I still didnt even saw the last season
0 likesNo. Thats not remotely true.
24 likesListen to fans, but also listen to your own logic, and understand the thing you're making. If you don't understand, listen to fans and yourself and what you know, and combine it.
Just becaus they can't write a show themselves, doesnt mean they cant see what you cant see. But that applies in the reverse. You have the ability to see things they can't, and you can use thier ideas if you truly get the show you make. If you don't, then you're flawed in making the show, not flawed for listening.
The better phrase you may've meant was "Dont be influenced by fans to the point you go with their word over yours every time, that will only lead to entropy of the art." But i get your POV. I just vehemently disagree.
damn
0 likesTell that to everyone who back then were REE-ing over Gamergate or diversity stuff.
0 likes@Guy named Rick hides my profile picture in shame
1 like@BagelBrain Don't be upset because I hate something you love. Color splash is beautiful but it has nothing of what the first three games offered.
5 likesJust be a little bit of both. Don't listen to the fans too much, but listen your mind too much either.
1 like@Guy named Rick just wanna say: respect the super paper mario inclusion in the "good" category
2 likesI enjoyed Rick and Morty until I saw the whole "Szechuan sauce" video and then I just felt second hand cringe towards it ever since.
0 likesI rewatched it recently and I'm kind of annoyed that I missed something I used to like due to the fans of it absolutely taking it too far.
Season 3 was uneven but it had some gems like Tales from the Citadel and overall there were more laughs than I feel there were in Seasons 4 and 5. With 5 done, looking back the season felt more off than 3 with a lot of it feeling forced. It felt like a fanfic version of the show and this probably because most of the crew were relatively new having only come in that season or the last one. The ideas were interesting but they weren't executed well or as I've saying describing the episodes make them sound funnier and wilder than actually watching them.
0 likesVat of Acid IMO was one of the most compelling pieces of media I have ever seen.
0 likeswhat i like about rick and morty is the dark humor, the cool schi-fi and fantasy but allso the wierd feeling the theme gives, it feels just wierd but you still get it, and the dark humor mixed in makes it sound less stupid as when i watch a movie with drama i often remember the flash series wich was good in the beggining but after a while characters just turn stupid and making up pointless meanings in life that don't make any sens. and it felt the same when ever i watched a serius movie.
0 likesAdult Swim is the best worst thing to happen to my life.
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I've only watched the 5th season of samurai Jack but it was good
16 likesSame. It basically shaped my personality today and that's both a great and bad thing if you ask me.
13 likesMumkeyjones was the best thing to happen to my life and yt took that away...
5 likesI only started watching it because of Toonami dubs
4 likes@Ad3l It's pretty weird considered that Adult Swim aired the whole series of Samurai Jack from Season 1 to 5 despite the fact that it's still a kid show back then.
3 likes@Mr. Friendship i did watch the whole series but the only adult swim show I saw was the 5th season of samurai jack
3 likes@Ad3l It does but Adult Swim owned it anyways. If you look at their official YouTube channel, there's some scenes that appeared on the previous seasons besides S5. Just check them out.
1 likeAdult Swim is The most truest definition of something that is both a blessing and a curse
1 like@Andrew Burke hey yo man idk if you know this but Mumkey is still on YouTube! Search "Simian Jimmy", it's his new channel, it's been around for awhile and there's some pretty good content on there!
2 likesFeebz Iâm still waiting on beater vs cheater
0 likesTOP TEN FAMILY GUY FUNNY PICKLE MOMENTS
1 likeI've been watching it since the beginning, and witnessing the trendy insane fandom rise and fall has been a ride. They leveled back Rick's power level in the new season and some fans are pissed. I blame the marketing and fandom that propelled this show up and out into the zeitgeist. It was smartly written out with story beats, dialogue that wasn't cringe, yet it was utterly stupid and fun. Somewhere down the line everyone forgot this and it was the smartest show on television when it was a well thought out show that just took time to make also Warner being greedy with the 8 month long negotiations going back and forth.
1 likeThe geowizard music hit me like a ton of bricks. Great vid!
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that's where its from, was trying to remember lol
0 likesAt the beginning of the vid he says he doesn't like how they changed the formula.... then at the end he says maybe they should try changing the formula, and he respects their creative experimentation đ€Šââïž
1 likeSeason 1: amazing
0 likesSeason 2: amazing
Season 3: great
Season 4: fucking awful
Season 5: itâs alright
In my opinion, Pickle Rick's therapy segment was ingenious.
120 likesFor the first time in the show, ironically Rick's omnipotence factor was taken away in a sense RATHER than perpetuated.
He was shown to have lesser intelligence than the therapist.
Emotional intelligence.
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I never even thought about it like that
4 likesSigma
8 likesNah that was a self insert that at best was perpetuating a sense of âhigh IQ commentaryâ that makes people hate the show for its seemingly âmore smarter than thouâ attitude
Ironically enough the show explains this feeling quite well in one of the episodes where rick dismantles the heroes via a jigsaw esk series of traps
I think the line went like âeven if you are right, if you are an asshole no one wants to agree with youâ or something like that.... which makes sense, this self insert felt legitimately like a âhah look at me, Iâm just a normal human person who totally isnât a self insert with meta knowledge of the show itself which allows me to strike at the shows favorite character, Rick in a way that no other character canâ
The whole âcommentaryâ on rickâs character would have felt stronger if it came from one of the family.... I mean, they know him more than some random fucking therapist who had just met him.... literally ask anyone who has gone to a therapist, especially family therapists.... they all admit that it didnât do much or if it did, the effects simply didnât stick and as such the family reverted plus the whole field of psychology has been proven countless times to be one of The lowest sciences simply due to its lack of replicate-able tests.... in essence, psychology is borderline pseudoscience from the fact a lot of it simply canât be verified with enough data.... Iâm not saying all of psychology is like, just a lot of it tends to be so. An added note to make also is that half of the cast at this point lacks significance Iâd argue.... they donât have as much permanence (since you know, every time rick fucks up, he just goes to another universe and everything is back to normal)
Yeah, well that's how intelligence works, it's not just a metric where you have dumb people with low intelligence and smart people with lots of intelligence, intelligence is rather a mix of your understanding of multiple different things, someone can be a great mathematician while having no emotional intelligence, they might struggle with interpersonal intelligence and socializing but they have great intrapersonal understanding of themselves.
4 likesI mean becoming more confident in your intelligence is more about finding what you understand and what you don't understand, rather than trying to expand your comprehension of everything as a whole, because even then; your learning will be gravitated towards certain topics more than others. Intelligence is knowing when you know something, wisdom is knowing when you don't know something.
Show don't tell
0 likesShe told instead of showed
Rick was already shown to have less emotional intelligence than Doofus Rick
0 likesThey did remove most of his augmentations recently so that's nice. Doesn't help that he still has enough guns to kill cities, even his innocent little partner is killing too.
0 likesthe gex comparison was so perfect
2 likesMan I love season 5 the whole family are going on adventures now
2 likesLooking back at the Halcyon days of R&M, it's never gonna be the same. I thought season 3 was good. Put simply it had the same energy of season 1-2, 4 and 5 feel like a different beast trying to emulate what was there before. Not a lot of good clever humor. That improv was the best. Not a lot of anything really. season 5 had like 3 good episodes? 4 about the same I guess. I don't know, everything these past few years, media, appstore releases, video games, movies, chans, they've all gone downhill almost inexplicably. What used to be an update is now DLC, and if TF2's MvM were released today it would be an entirely different game. You can't find shit on google or elsewhere, things seem to be coalescing and all becoming vapid feedback loops or all cashgrabs. I think if this passes 2019-2022 will be seen as a weird grey period between a media golden age and a bot-free wild west internet, and discerning people making their own way.
2 likes"Note to self: don't try the pickle platter at Rick Sanchez's" - Gex
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a fellow man of culture I see
11 likesOur agents have snuck in
8 likesClassic Gex!
9 likes"Dont drink the tap water at Jerry Garcia's"
7 likesYeah, It's tail time.
1 likeIT'S T A I L T I M E
0 likesRick is an unbalanced hedonist.
0 likesMorty is the nihilist. It's their combo power.
Heres a rule: nobody whos ever been to comicon should ever get to decide the future of a series, ever.
14 likesYour fanatical devotion over some piece of media is not only cringe, but somehow also incredibly basic.
Memorizing every line of Star Trek doesnt make you any smarter or a better critic of sci-fi than anyone else, and if anything, probably the opposite.
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you wrong
0 likesOr you can just let people enjoy what they want to enjoy. I agree fandoms shouldnât prompt changes in a show, but people are allowed to be apart of them
2 likesUnless your Rich Evans or Mike Stoklasa
0 likes29:49
0 likes''Some people use this to claim that women ruined the show''
Classic reddit moment
8 millions views in 2 days!! This video didn't age well at all lol
3 likesJerry is arguably one of the best characters on the show. Writing him out of the family was just as detrimental to the show as Pickle Rick.
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Jack Frost And Jerry is a prime example of going from a character youâre supposed to hate, to ending up being one of your more sympathetic characters.
2 likesI don't particularly dislike the mindless fun that the last seasons bring. It's just not as impactful. I remember being a teenager this show really blew my mind and put me in a different place. I guess I was so afraid that the show was canceled because of the delays of the 3rd season that I got satisfied with anything that came after.
0 likesit seems like most things i enjoy later become a fandom like steven universe, rick and morty, etc. so I feel super ashamed for enjoying it and I never say I enjoy them because im worried that people will think i am one of those people and make people dislike me.
0 likesPickle Rick was the moment that Rick became Heisenberg
1 likeI can tell you from free the writers are not people pleasers at all. they constantly do not bow down to what the fans want. and who tf watches rick and morty for tensionđđđ
1 likeA show either ends well, or goes on long enough to start being bad.
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itll come back around
4 likes@su seekins nope
3 likesRick and morty remains good
3 likesOk harvey dent
2 likesThe show is still good?
2 likesAnd that's why The Boondocks will always be a great show
1 likeAfter watching the seasons i didnt see anything bad. It started off bad and the charecter development made it better.
1 likeYou either die a hero, or live king enough to become the villain
0 likesahem, âSpongeBobâ, ahem ahem, âSimpsonsâ
0 likesOr ends bad
0 likes@Steven Beauchamp spongebob got good again
1 likeMissed the opportunity to throw a wig on the pickle outfit during the ad read
1 likeSaying youâre from an alternate dimension where you used keeps, and it kept your hair when you went full pickle
the vat of acid ep was one of my favourite episodes
1 likeThe worst part about your videos is that they end
1 likeSeason 3 is literally the best and season 4 has some of the best episodes of the series...
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0 likes"There is no empirical, scientific reason to care about others."
556 likesCaring about others tends to lead to increased chances of survival as people generally tend to be more willing to help those who are more likely to help them. The ability to cooperate with others is an evolutionary advantage.
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@ΊÏÏÎ·Ï Meeseeks take care everithyng.
2 likesEmpLemon has some bad takes like this in other videos as well. He said something along the lines of "Morality is relative" in a recent video. Moral relativism is insane.
12 likes@Michael Harbach Morality IS relative. Not everyone is as empathetic person as those around them. The reason we can work as a society is that most of us see the same things wrong or right but the reason the world feels like shit some times is that some people just don't care. I don't know if those people feel that they are doing something wrong or really just don't feel nothing at all.
52 likes@nefelibatacomingthrough first of all, we don't function well as a society (e.g. war, discrimination, wealth disparity, and pollution). Secondly, I'd love to hear you explain to me how rape is moral. Oh, you can't? That's because morality is not relative. Societal norms do not dictate what is moral. For example, there are societies that will fill a stadium to watch an animal be tortured to death for their sick amusement. Do you argue this is moral because that particular society says so? Moral relativism is just as dumb & false as subjectivism.
10 likes@Michael Harbach Weak examples. Differences don't have to bee that drastic. The society works, it's not perfect but it works in some level. Again, go back and read every sentence in that comment. I have nothing more to say since I don't see any need to converse with trolls or idiots in the internet.
26 likes@Michael Harbach it is moral to THEM,that's the point,like gladiatorial battles to the death may be seen as amusing to one society while to another it may be seen as sickening
12 likesThose societies have different moral compasses,and therefore different sights as to what's good and bad,morality is subjective as people can see different things as right and wrong depending on either how they are raised,and which society they are raised in
@Michael Harbach actually that seems pretty dumb,I thought it meant like society-wise but a given belief system (such as a religion) CAN influence that decision
0 likes@Michael Harbach I think the original guy you were responding to was unfamiliar with the term moral relativism. Both of you were arguing on different wavelengths.
32 likesHe was, (as far as I could tell) talking about how in the society we live in, morality and our values can differ depending on nature / nurture - (environment we grew up in, social background, values instilled in us during childhood, etc etc). How we empathise with others and perceive the world changes dependent on our perspective and understanding.
Whereas you were arguing that the philosophical position of moral relativism is really really stupid. As in, there are actions that no matter what the society / culture deems them, should be seen as morally reprehensible.
I think this whole thread was just a big misunderstanding. You were talking about concepts unfamiliar to them. But maybe cut them some slack next time, I think you were a little mean haha
â@Silvesta Good point lol
1 like@ΊÏÏηÏ
15 likesHuman beings require social interaction. We are social creatures by nature. The effects of isolation are very well studied, and are shown to almost be entirely negative.
@Delta 118 just look at C0vid restrictions and depression rates. There is very strong correlation and also clear causation in most of cases.
6 likes@Michael Harbach yeah and you started talking about subjectivism, like that may sound similar but obviously 1+1=2. relative is different than subjective, first off. second, i think moral relativism is a valid thing because what we view as moral could be viewed as horrendous and rude and terrible by a higher society, or us 100 years later. I understand that slaughtering animals for meat may be incorrect now that we have the technology and systems in place to replace meat protein or domestication of animals, but 200 years ago that shit did not matter. they made do, didn't murder each other, and killed the shit out of millions of bison. they didn't know. we don't know we don't know. Morals are relative to our understanding of what we see as cruel or morally "wrong."
2 likes@boomer funny jim gaffigan Your argument boils down to "Rape is moral because the rapist might not know any better" which is insane. Rethink your position. Whether or not a person/society knows that something is immoral is irrelevant to the truth about its morality. This isn't some magic realm where "I believe something, therefore it is true" holds any weight. Subjectivism is actually the perfect comparison because if someone says "The earth is flat" then we can scientifically/mathematically prove them incorrect, and their belief in the flatness of the world doesn't change the truth of the matter.
3 likesWhen you have some you care for you have some youâd protect them from, thus furthering conflict, evolution takes it both ways by caring about your family youâll siege war on anotherâs
1 likeMutalism, didn't that John Nash with the movies made about him (A Beautiful Mind) win a nobel prize for proving that mathematically?
0 likesHe did, as part of game theory
But you don't actually have to care about them you just have to make them think u care to exploit them
2 likes@Froggy Agreed,like,why do i need empathy or have to be social,what a shithead to say that we are social,when we are actually Anti - Social,as humanity a whole though.
2 likesSociety is a messed concept,there's no such thing as Society,you just have to be social to gain something,if not,Just do what you want,Human nature is itself sociopathic so yeah,if it existed these of guddie x baddie,world would be perfect,but it isn't so...
@Froggy Sure, but you'd have to do it carefully, since if they figure out that you don't actually care, they'll be MUCH less likely to want to help you, and in fact may want to hurt or hinder you. The risk/reward ratio of merely pretending to care may be worse than actually caring.
0 likes@Le Bonk ye good point
0 likes@Fellow G̶o̶y̶i̶m̶ White The fact that humanity only got as far as it did because of cooperation blows what you said out of the water.
3 likesTribes cooperated, all of our progress technologically is because of cooperation. Society exists because humanity invented it, you going "we are anti-social because I personally don't think so" doesn't hold a candle against that truth.
@boomer funny jim gaffigan
0 likesIt all depends on logic. In my opinion, I believe most people should stop believing that since something is moral/immoral we must do/not do it. An action can be immoral and yet we would still do that action. For example, killing animals is definitely immoral but we would still kill them for meat. Sometimes, it's hard to know whethe something is bad or not, is killing flies wrong? This is where logic comes into play. Here's a rule we have always known, murder is wrong unless... Unless it's baby Hitler, or unless it's a rich guy, or unless it's something. This where the moral gray area begins, and it's very simple to say murder is wrong UNLESS, UNLESS is when murder being immoral starts to be a complex topic.
I believe that moral relativism is dumb, morality depends on logic. There's no such thing as rape being 'okay', maybe unless it's a pedophiles people would start getting divided on the subject. But overall rape is certainly bad when it harms innocent people, this has no justification.
@Michael Harbach Morality is relative like good and evil are subjective. The moral guidelines we develop for our selves in society isnât based on something objectively good or moral, itâs based on what we find to be helpful to our survival. Moral values change from country to country and from the past, to the present and it will probably change in the future. People in the middle ages werenât immoral or evil, they just had a different set of values which is usually decided by the society you grow up in.
3 likes@Michael Harbach A case for rape being moral: In a situation with severe declining birthrates where new children a desperately needed, you could argue it would be moral to rape someone who refuse to reproduce.
1 likeSubjectivity: Somethings can be considered a fact, like you mentioned that the earth is round, which would fall under the objectivity category, while things like which color is pretty or what you felt during a movie is subjective.
To add insult to injury, you've failed at reading comprehension with your example of subjectivity. The discussion was about subjectivism, which is a specific topic in the realm of philosophy. It means precisely what I've defined it to mean. You're example of people liking different colors is literally not an example of philosophical subjectivism. Your lack of education is astounding.
0 likes@Michael Harbach Haha mate, easy now. I will gladly admit I misunderstood subjectivism, but does that negate my other points or do you find them equally idiotic since you didnât respond to them? And I must say that I find it funny that you berate others for a lack of education, while clearly showing that you lack the knowledge to consider that there exist other forms of education and areas of expertise outside of different schools of philosophy.
3 likesEdit: Also your not âyouâreâ. That must have slipped your highly educated mind.
Lol the Taliban consider themselves freedom fighters and the west says they're terrorists but sure "mOrALitYy is objEeeCTIve!" đ€Šââïžđ€Šââïžđ€Šââïžđ€Šââïž
1 likegonna delete this comment if yall keep being toxic
2 likes@Le Bonk To be fair, Itâs mainly Michael thatâs being toxic from what I see. The other comments so far arenât that bad, but hey, thatâs just my subjective opinion.
0 likesI think you are missing the exact point, but only by a tiny hair. The key word here is "care". You can do positive things for other people, helping them, and being collaborative and therefore gaining the evolutionary advantage without a shred of actual caring. Plenty of the worst people to ever exist "helped" others, but they probably didn't care. Some of the most skilled collaborators turn out to be scumbags. Therefore, there's no reason to care; only to appear to care. Still, I agree with the fundamental idea of your comment.
1 like@Le Bonk "oh no I started a conversation that isn't going exactly as I'd hoped. Better shut the whole thing down!!" đ€Šââïžđ€Šââïžđ€Šââïž
0 likes@Andrew Marshall If by "isn't going exactly as I'd hoped" you mean "has devolved into a shit-flinging competition in which ad hominem and facepalm emojis are accepted as valid substitutes for actual arguments and the topic is no longer relevant to the parent comment itself"
0 likes@Le Bonk this conversation really went from: "caring about others is good" to "rape is moral" really quick
2 likesAnd lo and behold, this man has understood the fundamental truth of humanity. You will go far.
0 likesWas an interesting debate ngl
0 likes@ΊÏÏÎ·Ï okay does Rick grow his own food? Does he make his own water? Does he provide himself with a house? Does he derive pleasure from dominating others on his own? No, he's reliant upon others, just like EVERYONE is. This hyperindividualism nonsense that ur spouting is completely baseless and scientifically invalid. Survival is a common goal, not an individual pursuit, that's literally just how human beings work.
2 likes@Michael Harbach that animal has no soul and doesnât think like us so torturing it for entertainment is ok.
0 likesThere I made it relative
@Light Yagami that don't really change his point to be fair.
0 likes@LPSlight the point is that Rick can do all those things himself. He don't cause it is more work but he can
0 likesThis entire comment chain is just a nutshell embodiment of how stupid people on the internet can be. Especially ones that watch shows like Rick and Morty
0 likes@ΊÏÏηÏ
0 likes!! Only read if you have nothing better to do and are okay with being bored to death !!
that's a pretty bad take. while I agree that morality is sort of just a made up concept and completely relative it does make sense. we need it. there's a reason it's there. first of all people have a social need. we are social creatures and to fill that social need we need a support system and people we know we can count on in case something really bad happens(what we would define as love). we need approval from other people because it makes us feel good. it's also a human need. now, how do we get that? by being nice. now being nice wouldn't be a thing at all without morals. how else would you determine what makes a person "nice" and what not? even if we didn't have language there'd still be morals. people would know to like you if you help then hunt for food and they'd know to dislike you if you threw rocks at them. without morality both these acts are exactly the same amout of good or bad but you'd still know one is bad for you and the other one is good. because we've determined these rules we can function in a society without us all killing each other and shit (mostly). so while morals are relative they are still very much needed to function or they'd be nothing to stop people from ripping off your arm for no reason at all. we know what is right and what is wrong based on what we know we wouldn't want to happen to us. and so we apply that to other people and don't do it to them.
now that the basic concept of morality and why it is extremely important is out of the way, let's get to your argument.
a meeseecks box isn't enough.
not at all.
as people we need other *people*.
it's like a person couldn't be happy if they were forever alone but had a fucking bird to talk to.
it wouldn't be the same. we are programmed to live in social settings and groups because we are social creatures. let's say aliens are real (which they probably are) then they would most likely have different morals, different language and a different behavior than us so talking to them would most likely just feel the same as talking to a bird. it wouldn't satisfy you. in rick and morty most aliens are depicted very "human-like" but they probably wouldn't be like that outside of a TV show.
rick can also communicate with people from other dimensions. for that he also needs morals though. of course he can travel to a dimension where people don't have morals but people would most likely be ripping each other's heads off so I don't think he'd want to look for a support system there. he'd most likely look for a dimension similar to earth because humans need other *humans*. and then, to make relationships, he'd need to act moral.
so in conclusion, you can't really be happy without morals.
you'd be alone and miserable and fucking hate yourself, perhaps even off yourself.
I'm sorry if this is incredibly long and just over-analizing your comment for no real reason but I'm kinda sick of rick and morty fans running around saying they are smarter than everyone because they've cracked the code and they are the only one's who understand how meaningless everything is. (I'm sorry if this isn't what you were trying to say)
things are the way they are for a reason.
maybe it's not a deep, spiritual reason that warms hearts but there are reason to why shit is the way it is.
if you read all that, I'm sorry for wasting your time. (also sorry for my english, it's not my first language.)
I wish EmpLemon made this after season 05.
0 likeshopefully the show follows the trajectory of good kid, maad city and we end up getting a TPAB
0 likesI still like almost every episode
0 likesWas a fun show. A shame it became a meme, but ya know... same as it ever was.
0 likesI remember watching Rick and Morty when season 1 was still new, and was completely shocked when it became popular out of nowhere right before season 3. Iâll never forget how strange of it period it was seeing something so niche hit main stream so fast, with so much lame merch like Funko pops and people who treated it like it was the New Testaments. I think the final straw was when Dan Harmon had a meltdown on twitter over the McDonalds incident. By the time of season 4, Iâm not sure what to make of it since itâs kind of just around but still popular, but the clips Iâve scene of it arenât as good. I guess this is what happens when a show like it comes around when reddit is prevalent, since that is where itâs most popular community activity is
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I know what you mean. An animator friend of mine introduced me to the show when it was still relatively unknown and I was immediately hooked with it's aloof awareness of the general dysfunction in society. Then it blew up and to avoid drowning in the torrent of normie meme culture surrounding the show, I made my enjoyment of Rick & Morty a much more private affair.
1 likeI had a very close experience too, only talking about it with two other friends who enjoyed it and got into it from the beginning. I still only talk to them about it and not any others lol, but personally I have been enjoying season 4 so far (took a break from watching it to focus on stuff, but I'll finish it soon.)
0 likesGreat anĂĄlisis, im really interested in your thoughts of the newest episodes
0 likesAlso the gamergaye bit was funny to me lol
I often wonder what would the fandom of 90's shows like The Simpsons South Park, Family Guy ect. be like if they premiered in the social media/internet age, yes fans would buy the merch and quote the show but that's as far as it went not many really saw themselves in characters like Homer, Bart, Cartman or Stewie and for those are the ones that did you wouldn't hear about it unless you really knew that person, social media has made it so easy for fans to express their love or sometimes hate for a show that they fall into that toxic trap where they think their fan fics are worth pitching to a show they have no business writing for, obsession never has a good outcome and just blinds them to miss the point entirely especially young fans they see themselves in Rick or Bojack because they struggle with identity irl, I treat Rick and Morty like any other animated sitcom it definitely has it's flaws but when it delivers on it's odd randomness and nuggets of comedy the pay off is immensely huge, the lore of the show I've honestly never cared about because it's obvious the creators are trolls and love to torment the audience that take it so seriously especially in the later seasons, they constantly flip the script on everyone everytime and that's a fact
0 likesMe who thought Rick and Morty was about Rick and Morty:
2 likeshow do ppl not like pickle rick đ
1 likeI donât think that itâs Rickâs intellect that isolated him. I think itâs his failure to accept that meaning doesnât have to be objective. Because value is subjective, he thinks it doesnât matter. Itâs hypocritical, because only valuing objectivity, is a value judgement.
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Underrated comment that doesn't even have to be attributed to the show.
1 likeBut the issue is, the smarter you are, the harder is to relate to most human beings, let alone enjoy their company. Even I hate the average person and think they're dumber than pig shit. George Carlin had a quote that was like, "Think of how dumb the average person is, now realize how many people there are even dumber than that." Now imagine being a 250 IQ big-brain Redditor like Rick. It'd be hard to relate to anyone, let alone find a redeeming purpose for humanity.
7 likesThe thing that doesn't make sense though, is that Rick is smart enough to fix all the intellectual flaws in humanity and social issues we face so he could find people to relate to. He just chooses not to because he's also a selfish bastard.
@Mcheetah the thing is, Rick is only smart academically. He's emotionally incompetent because of his pettiness and need for control of the family, socially abhorrent due to how many enemies he makes, and there have been times where Jerry has outshone him by helping the family through survival skills when it was Rick's science that caused a problem.
12 likesIt's Rick's pretentiousness and failure to value other forms of intellect outside of academics that makes him so miserable.
"Will season 5 come out before the imminent collapse of civilization?"
35 likesNo, did will not
Pickle Rick got more new viewers than any other episode. his body mods are hilarious. you're over thinking it
0 likesFart jokes and a bunch of copy-pasted stuff from philosophy textbooks. Lets the fans think they're very clever boys while watching a show full of fart jokes and terrorising McDonald's staff trying to do their jobs.
1 likeThis series really never grabbed me.
Wow, I actually really liked season 3 more than seasons 2 and 1 :/
4 likesI personally thought the Vindicators and pickle rick episode were super hilarious and fun to watch.
The fandom makes people ashamed to enjoy the show. Kinda like how Ricks feel about Doofus Rick.
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It shouldnât
4 likesOh. hey
0 likes@Corncake It shouldn't, but human brains are traitorously social things and it's not as easy.
1 likeSince the end of season 3 the family drama and now all weâre left with bang bang shoot shoot of ridiculous cannibalistic underground âhorse peopleâ called the chums. BRING BACK THE OLD SHOW not some sci-fi western!
1 likeI kind of like how the hype for the show mostly vanished and now the writers can just focus on making the show they like instead of trying to please the audience
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I donât think the hype for Rick and Morty has vanished, there just isnât a new season coming soon.
0 likesDigibro, mere moments before losing his God damn mind, said it best- The reason Rick and Morty went down hill is because roiland finished telling Rick's story at the end of season 2. It's why he v started working on Solar Opposites. Roiland has always been the creative heart of the show Harmon just translates it into something palatable to a mainstream audience.
3 likes10/10 ad, didnât even think it was an ad, I learned something.
0 likesHow a fandom negatively influences a work of art is exactly how it is for an anime called "My Hero Academia". Fandom ruined it and people started to not see it as a good show anymore, and I started to feel embarrassed to like it, even when I shouldn't be.
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Japanese creators in general dont give a fuck about fan opinions. At worst, an overzealous editor who places the audience's response over the author's vision can negatively impact the story, but Shounen Jump editors seem to know what they're doing judging by their track record. MHA is in good hands.
23 likes@Real Human Bean Doesn't mean the show's bad
2 likesI feel this way about being a Sonic fan sometimes just cuz of the weirdo's and bad people that give us all a bad name. I am nothing like those people but I feel embarrased to be associated with them at times. It doesn't help popular influencers like Game Grumps always sh*t on us when ever given the opportunity.
1 likeIt sucks when a few bad apples in a fandom make other people look bad who just so happend to enjoy a certain show, game, movie ect.
it was never good
0 likesIâm in the MHA fandom. If you wanna avoid the more annoying parts of the fandom, just read the manga. The manga fandom is much smaller and a lot less cancerous. And the manga is damn good too
0 likesraptorkil honestly, why do you think itâs bad though. The only reasons Iâve ever seen people give are 1) bad fan base (not an actual critique of the show) or 2) it adheres to much to common tropes (it doesnât)
0 likesI think the existence of this video and all the video essays like it is very unusual.
0 likesFor me, Rick and Morty walks a pretty identical path that Community did. Community was an irreverent comedy that took its charming setting and used it to make meta jokes and remix classic television formulas in a way that was extremely ahead of itâs time. Watching any episode of Community is almost surreal because it feels like it could have aired yesterday instead of 10 years ago.
But people donât talk about Community in the same way they do Rick and Morty. Rick and Morty always seems to have this pressure to be the greatest, most unique, and boundary breaking show on TV when thatâs a really unfair expectation.
Itâs a perfectly fine show. Seriously. The Pickle Rick episode is fine. It introduces a desperately needed element of emotional intelligence into the show that it would continue to build on in later seasons. Rick and Morty may have changed but it definitely has not declined. Its evolving at a rate that feels like itâs keeping pace with the mileage theyâre able to get out of the themes they introduce.
Itâs a good show burdened by unfair expectations.
i totally disagree with your opinions on season 3. season 3 was hilarious, well written and had some of the best rick and morty episodes.
1 likeThe saddest moment in this show is not Rick trying to off himself, not Morty having to bury his dead self, and not even the Fart's death scene. It's fucking Doofus Rick leaving which I think speaks volumes about what people don't understand about the show.
1 like26:16 that Szechuan sauce medic and heavy meme is relatable to me lol
1 likeâYo make me a pickle Rick costumeâ
448 likesâUh ok, going to a con or something?â
âNo Iâm promoting the cure to baldness!â
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1 likeVerty Susan Sarandon
1 like@Verty technically "to" used in this context is also correct.
1 likeyou know, if he has a box of the stuff, that means he uses it
0 likesso that's an endorsement by example
I like that season 5 has been de powering Rick
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Yeah it seems that they are trying to fix everything that seemed to go wrong with the show over the past two seasons.
11 likesI don't agree that Star Wars would at it's core be about disfunctional families. Seeing the first film as a possible stand alone movie, which it could have ended up being, refutes that.
0 likesFor me, it's clear that it's a show about good and evil, and making the hard choices over the simple (but evil) ones.
you know what
1 likerick and morty sounds like rigor mortis
there's just an uncanny feeling about that
a humorous one
Watching this feels weird after that Rick and morty reference in space jam
4 likesWas not expecting Geowizard's music. Very cool.
2 likesWhile I understand why people would disregard season 3 as losing its foothold in the more serious analysis of the characters, I personally regard it as the moment where the writers become more self-aware about what the show really portrayed. I'm not talking about what the showrunners (probably) wanted to portray in the first two seasons, but about what they ended up portraying. You explained quite well what you thought they wanted to depict through the alleged accountability of Rick, but while I agree with you in understanding the series that way, I don't believe that it is the most straightforward explanation to what's happening before your eyes. The most straightforward explanation for Rick and Morty having to escape their universe and bury their true selves isn't that Morty get's traumatized and that the consequences of their actions still live on, it is that they can now have a fresh start and Morty's trauma is once again played as a joke. The most straightforward explanation to Rick and Morty having to flee from crazy situations isn't that it reveals Rick's flaws, but that it is always Morty who ends up fucking things up by showing sympathy in an unknown universe where everything is a threat. The most straightforward explanation for Rick's capture isn't that he finally holds accountability, it is that he has become so depressed and nihilistic that he has allowed himself to get captured, Billy the Kid style, in what is probably the ultimate flex. To me, this point is actually where the series peaks in its nihilism.
0 likesSeason 3 reads to me as the writers acknowledging that while the series does show Rick's flaws, it is his strengths that prevail in the end because he is the only character in this universe capable of defending himself. This is shown time and time again in almost every episode, whether they are heartfelt and touching like the F.A.R.T. one or more forgettable. What the series shows is that Rick's careless, nihilistic and extremely toxic (as Morty still ends up following him because he thinks of him as a role model, even though Rick hurts him countless times) is the only one that allows you to survive in this universe, because intelligence is everything there. You can't blame people for acting pedantic and relating to this flawed scientist character when every highlight moment of the series is allowed to exist because of this character. So, in season 3, I feel like the writers just went "to hell with this surface-level accountability that never goes anywhere, now we're gonna fully acknowledge that Rick is the central character of this universe and that he is basically a demigod". Is it less entertaining ? Probably, but at the same time I think it's also more honest. Getting really deep and straightforward with the consequences in a show isn't necessarily bad for comedy, it just doesn't blend well with the unhinged environment that had been set up here. If you want a series that portrays this kind of accountability really well, then BoJack Horseman is a great example.
Quick sidenote on the "dark" side of Rick and Morty: while some moments are indeed dark and disturbing in a good way, some are just purely gross. Showing Morty about to get raped by the jellybean isn't dark, it's just fucked up and this supposedly "mature" façade doesn't hold well for countless other moments of the show.
In the end, I do appreciate Rick and Morty, but mostly for the very creative universe and the excellent improv bits. My favorite episodes are the Interdimensional Cable ones and the Ricklantis Mixup, so probably the ones that don't actually try to involve the characters and just let the universe take its course. Gotta say also that even though I disagree with you, your videos never fail to provide great talking points supported by top notch editing. As a soccer fan from a rundown French city where soccer is basically everything, your videos on NASCAR resonated very much with me and I want to thank you for presenting the world with what's it's like to be passionate about a sport most will regard as a stupid pastime for uneducated people.
You need a large amount of B.D.M.I to understand rick and morty memes
0 likesreal talk: i'm someone that believes real life is boring, i love the weird part of the show. but i'm not trying to find deeper meaning behind mr bulldops or poopy butthole.
3 likesi just like weird for weird.
i will say the family dynamic is great though.
Heâs gone so far down the spiral heâs gone beyond the âbottomâ reached the top, only to be dragged back down to the endlessness below once again. This is his future. His guarantee. Nobody can help him. But I have a suspicion that he doesnât want it. The spiral has become his home. A part of who he is. He has accepted this, and you should too.
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what if he's travelling in a spiralling never ending portal?
5 likesOne must imagine emplemon happy
4 likesAndrei Bratosin and Sisyphus too
1 likeEmp was born in it, molded by it. A non stop plumment since he was a boy and when he finally became a man, the top was heavy was difficult.
2 likes@Red Line He born at the bottom, and he climbed. Just to fall, fall, fall from the top. Now he's climbing up there once more. Perhaps he never reached the bottom.
1 likeWhat
0 likesThe infinite rotation achieved by the golden ratio
2 likesSo what youâre saying is that a spiral is his home, but itâs better than being alone?
0 likes@Tolman no, if you check the Twitter video, you can see he lives NEXT to The Downwards Spiral, not inside of it.
0 likesUzamaki
1 likei love hearing Esprit and other obscure vaporwave in your videos, i always get excited when i hear it come on in the background
0 likesThe show after season 3 is about ones search for meaning in an uncaring universe
0 likesIt all changed with pickle rick and that damn szechuan sauce
1 likeThis video made me fall asleep for 8 hours XD
0 likesDonât let this video distract you from the fact that the Voice actor of Gumball literally made a Pickle Rick episode with Carson
50 likesI really like how he uses Gran Turismo music. the music from those games is way underappreciated
0 likesi hate almost everything mainstream (not my fault, i don't decide it to be "cool") like star wars, GOT, or the marvel movies but... i loved rick and morty from the very first episode i watched, i still do today and don't know why ÂŻ\_(ă)_/ÂŻ
1 likei don't interact with the fandom tho - with any fandom for all that matters
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It's because you enjoy it.
0 likesIDK. I liked the pickle Rick episode. It's funny and a bit nonsensical and it bought me back to the old days of adult swim. Still I agree with a lot of what you're saying in this video.
0 likesIn season one Morty states to Jerry:" No ones smarter than Rick so the argument about how they never stated Rick was the smartest man in the universe is benign. It wasn't outright stated in most episodes before season 3 it was definitely implied, whilst going against the story telling philosophy of "tell don't show" by doing the exact opposite. I do love your overall opinion throughout the video though, but my opinion of Rick and Morty never changed because of the fanbase and their actions. Yes it was cringy to see them spazzing in public and online with their crazy rants and behaviors, and yes it did slow down a little and become pandering in the later seasons after 2 but it still felt genuine and unique put side by side to other adult cartoons we had at the time. I can't think of another adult cartoon that even came close to Rick and Morty that was in syndication without talking about Netflix exclusives such as Bojack Horseman but that show is a different comedy in it's own right and shouldn't be in the same category as Rick and Morty. Great video I just think you focused more on the online fans and their opinions/reactions/actions. Even the video in McDonald's you showed was an obvious over projection of the fanbase.
0 likesI know Rick hates God but he embodies a great bible quote:
558 likes"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow; the more knowledge, the more grief."
-Ecclesiastes 1:18
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That explains everything.
23 likesHe actually prays to God when he thinks he's actually going to die, then immediately tells him off after he realizes he can save himself haha
124 likes@Hassan Ayyash It shows the hypocrisy of the character and the general idea of what the show creators consider "humor".
35 likesI think conflating being a polymath with wisdom is a fundamental misstep.
4 likesHmmm đ€ yeah that makes sense đ€·ââïž
0 likesNoooo you can't just quoterino an adagerino hardened through thousands of years of darwinian cultural selection pressures! That's not science friendo!
6 likesYeah, I hate the people say things like âoh I donât believe in god Iâm so smart and rational, your stupid for having a world view I consider to be toxic.â The Bible gives you guidance of how to live life in a good, meaningful way. It states many things that I find to be true, when I followed its teachings more I was more happy and better as a person. Itâs a real mind opener, the problem today is that people have a problem understanding how itâs written, some of the the translations donât have the full meaning or can easily be taken the wrong way. It uses lots of metaphors, poetry and hyperbole to get its point across, its supposed to be read in its full context. You canât take the Bible too literally or else it wonât make any sense at all.
23 likesThat's the joke đđđđđđ
0 likesGhostin thatâs not the point, though it goes off the rails talking about how the Bible works. The point I was trying to get across is that you need some kind of compass or guide to live out your life, nihilism doesnât give you that, Its finds that as a contradiction to its logic.
7 likes@134Cerky You don't understand nihilism. Actually read the works by Schopenhauer and Nietzsche to see how different the philosophy of nihilism can be.
3 likesIt took longer than I expected for an argument to break out in this thread
0 likeshweirdo I know, you can take the idea of nihilism in a good way. If nothing matters then you give it your own meaning. There is a positive light to it in a way. I admit I donât necessarily know all about nihilism, but when I look up itâs definitions it all boils down to âabsolutely nothing has meaning or value of any kindâ which I donât think is true. It also involves extreme skepticism of morals. You can find value or meaning in anything and Iâd say our morals brought us pretty far as a species. Itâs an interesting Philosophy, just not something you should live by.
2 likes@134Cerky nihilism isn't cut and dry like that though, one can be nihilistic and still strive to fill the void with the "meaningless" things people do to fill the gaps of time before we expire. There are nihilists that truly believe nothing is worthwhile and anything done is a pathetic jab at the universe to show our existence has meaning but they aren't the rule. Someone who has the conscious desire to be more than what the universe tells you, but smart enough to realize that, outside of their sphere of influence, their life means very little. This is exsitensial nihilism. While believing that nothing truly matters, and that the universe is a cold unflinching constant that guarantees frivolous life and guarantees death and that nothing inside the universe means anything because the universe just doesn't care or really just can't care for that matter. That's cosmic nihilism, what rick is
6 likes@134Cerky its not just a philosophy of "nothing matters cuz we all be dead someday" its a realization of even if i die, you die, all we care about dies, if everyone were to suddenly pass, the universe would be unaffected. It would exist without us, its the ideal that the universe is a constant outside of feasible control and our influence can't change that or anyone's for a matter of fact. If rick were to die and I mean really die, the universe isn't gonna morn him, and he knows that. A man with infinite intelligence and can make anything still wont be missed. Rick doesn't care because the universe doesn't care, so why should he
3 likesDane Stambaugh wow, thanks for that input. I havenât really thought about it that way (well I kind of already had). But I was mostly looking at the definitions that I have been given. Idk words can mean different things to different people.
2 likesDane Stambaugh i was think I get it now, but if thatâs so whatâs the point of calling it nihilism? How many kinds of nihilism is out there? I get the idea of not caring about things that are out of your control, but anyone can do that. I just donât agree with the parts that I meantioned, how can nothing have value? That doesnât make any sense to me, you can find value in a lot of things it just depends on the person. You know what Iâm saying? There are also consequences to all your actions to, you canât treat everything like it has no meaning or value to it. There are things worth doing and others that are not so much. Also why care about what the universe thinks? Why give up caring for a thing that doesnât think at all?
2 likes@Dane Stambaugh a man who really experienced cosmic nihilism is dead or had depression. It is interesting that existential nihilism is overcome with religion (believing in something).
1 like@134Cerky your last comment reflects existential nihilism, where life doesn't have a definitive meaning and you have to acknowledge that. There are many people that practice that, even if they are religious.
1 like@andres ltaif mĂŒller most people aren't cosmic nihilists, to be a cosmic nihilist is to be detached from human morality. Even people who are nihilistic tend to care about the close ones in their life, hence the terminology of "sphere of influence" and that's what separates them from cosmic nihilism. Rick is only a cosmic nihilist because at any point he can hard reset his current universe and run from his problems, and because of that, everything inherently holds no meaning to him. Rick's concept of love is familiarity over time across multiple versions of an individual across the multiverse, rather an attachment to one individual in one universe. In short, Rick's own intelligence has warped his perception on reality and the value it holds
4 likesDane Stambaugh you know what I got from this is that nihilism is like a tool for certain situations or subjects. I just think it shouldnât be used to guide your life completely or you become an asshole like rick. Of course Iâm specifically talking about cosmic nihilism.
0 likes@Dane Stambaugh I know that and I said experienced, not being. Being cosmic nihilistic is what you said, experienced it brings a huge existential horror, bigger than just existential nihilism.
0 likesandres ltaif mĂŒller so is nihilism a bad thing if you let it consume you? Like how can you ever be happy by detaching yourself from the world like that? I know that it doesnât have to necessarily be a bad thing, but doesnât it seem wrong to purposely not find value or meaning (depending on what it is like morals, consequences. etc) how will you ever learn with a mindset like that?
0 likesJ D you know now that I think about it, maybe I was too harsh with my words. At the end of the day itâs your choice to live how you want. I was just sharing my thoughts on the subject, though I admit I just learned some more ways of how nihilism works I was just looking at the idea of finding meaning or value in nothing.
2 likes34:05 This really aged well didn't it?....
0 likesI never noticed any kind of fandom. I just watch the show. Am I doing something wrong? :D
0 likesI know that the new âsmartest man aliveâ trope ruined the show but it makes sense, Rick becomes more paranoid and unstable as the show goes on
0 likesI feel bad for Royland about Solar Opposites,
1 likeI think Royland was trying to capitalize on the fandom by making a new show that solely caters to them...
but that show is kinda cringey and has like no following compared to Rick and Morty
Rick went from "He is just human" to "an invincible killing machine"
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True.
5 likesHe's literally been saved like 3 episodes in a row and I wouldn't doubt if he already fucked himself royally again in episode 2
28 likesThe recent episodes fix Rick being overpowered by nerfing him.
18 likesIn season 3 Rick was just too op.
@Gayan Udugampola Rick's power levels aways change now, they are never consistent after season 3
3 likes@Gabs Nandes vegeta what does the scouter say about his power level?
2 likesITS OVER 9000
Yeah
0 likes@Maxims that meme is extremely outdated, you're beating not even a dead horse, you're literally beating said dead horse's remains that have been turned into ash.
10 likes@noodled ouch
2 likes@noodled over 9000 is still funny
8 likes@Maxims
1 likealso Vegeta: âpowerlevels are bulls**t.â
@Gabs Nandes
0 likesWell Rick is kinda fickle, but a lot of his gadgets end up being single use and he doesnât consistently build things because heâs also a bit lazy. So in line with his character, his fluctuating invincibility almost makes sense
@Strangely Ukrainian i don't think so, because this wasn't something on earlier seasons, he was kinda consistent, you understood that he was insanely smart and strong, but also vulnerable, still, it kinda fits with his caracter but i am not a fan
0 likesTheory: Season three couldâve been better
0 likes1:32 bro, remembering seeing that chart on [as] as a kid makes me feel so old now đđ
0 likesLittle did our little Lemon know⊠the sperm episode was upon usâŠ
1 likeI also seriously think that Dan Harmons divorce highly influenced season three, and the direction the show went in permanently. I still love Rick and Morty and canât wait for more episodes, but if Rick and Morty, are made to appear conscious of the fact they are created by a higher power. It makes since that they would take on different characteristics and act differently, depending on the current state ofâŠ. Big stretch here⊠their relationship with god. Rick very much knows he is a creation thatâs made for our entertainment. And his recent behavior is just an acknowledgment of his own downfall. Good artists make art that show us who they are, at least some what.. just be funny if Rick was slowly killing himsf because he no longer has faith in his creator. Rick and Mortys writers would do some shit like that.
0 likesRick and Morty is k-pop for people who bully k-pop Stans on the internet.
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Arey Singh sir ki haal chaal
0 likesOk we get it you donât like us you can stop
19 likesAshok Singh thanks for reminding me I should probably get some mental help(btw the memes dead and it was a joke)
3 likes@N O sorry man! I know.
6 likesKpop is an industry that sucks in young talents and spits them out few years later. It's toxic as shit.
37 likesKpop stans are bullies themselves. You're thinking of normal kpop fans
23 likes@Piotr B ikr, it's called equality smh
2 likeshey medic i like kpop
1 likeYeah straight up fact
0 likesOof
0 likesTo quote episode 17 of Season 3 of Brother Vernacular:
14 likesâA meme is what happens when so many people start misrepresenting an out of context scene from a piece of media, that the media itself loses its identity!â
Do you like that Brother Vernacular reference? Well guess what? ITS NOT A REAL SHOW! I MADE IT UP!!!
Iron 1 is the greatest Iron Man movie. Iron Man 2, Avengers 2, and Iron Man 3 suffered based on similar elements.
1 likeGod, Futurama is my favorite show of all time.
0 likesThey took like 3 years in between seasons , thatâs a shitload of time. Most people including myself completely lost interest and investment in the story.
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"Most people" lol that's definite cap, Evil Morty's motive and Rick's backstory being revealed was one of people's main takeaways from the latest season and its all anyone would really talk about, shut up and stop pretending like you speak for everybody
0 likesTo be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Rick and Morty. The humor is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of theoretical physics most of the jokes will go over a typical viewer's head. There's also Rick's nihilistic outlook, which is deftly woven into his characterisation - his personal philosophy draws heavily fromNarodnaya Volya literature, for instance. The fans understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of these jokes, to realize that they're not just funny- they say something deep about LIFE. As a consequence people who dislike Rick and Morty truly ARE idiots- of course they wouldn't appreciate, for instance, the humour in Rick's existencial catchphrase "Wubba Lubba Dub Dub," which itself is a cryptic reference to Turgenev's Russian epic Fathers and Sons I'm smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion as Dan Harmon's genius unfolds itself on their television screens. What fools... how I pity them. đ And yes by the way, I DO have a Rick and Morty tattoo. And no, you cannot see it. It's for the ladies' eyes only- And even they have to demonstrate that they're within 5 IQ points of my own (preferably lower) beforehand.
1 likeOh, itâs FDA approved, good! The FDA also approves a maximum amount of cockroach gibs in food, but what do I know.
0 likesSo far season 5 is second wind for Rick and Morty, so you were correct in believing that it could bounce back. Season 3 was definitely the series at its absolute worst, with the exception of The Ricklantis Mixup and The Rickshank Rickdemption
0 likesAnd then he turns himself into a pickle. Calls himself "Pickle Rick." Funniest shit I've ever seen.
0 likes"Sci-fi has always existed as the awkward nerdy sibling to it's far more popular counterpart - fantasy."
1 likeWhen did that happen? If anything, I'd say up until 2000's it was always the other way around.
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As a layman, I'd say that probably the Lord of the Rings movies changed that.
0 likesYou can also see it in books, games, as well as shows. There was tons of really good sci-fi books and movies for decades with very little fantasy comparatively.
Then the LoTR movies blew up and then a ton of people started to get into fantasy. So it's less that sci-fi got less popular and more that fantasy got way, way more popular and surpassed it.
As for his quote about it "always" being that way, I'd bet he is below 30-35 so he'd have grown up when LotR, games like WoW, and fantasy in general was really starting to get popular.
Also judging by his other videos he is probably a gamer as well so that effect that perception as well since fantasy has always been more popular than a sci-fi in gaming.
holy shit I just realized that in the 3rd minute you can hear steamed gardens from super mario odyssey in the background
0 likesthis made me happy
A bit off topic but when it comes to fandoms, the MHA fans are completely insane.
1 likeThe amount of Todoroki art is way too high for a 16 year old teenager.
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yeah, and don't forgot the shippers. And I'm too lazy to talk about them because of how they are completely ignore all the character interactions at both of the MHA Anime and Manga
0 likesRick and Morty came out n the perfect time for the growing Nihilism in America and the western world
0 likesI never noticed how invincible he is in current seasons compared to the first two where he's actually vulnerable and has to play a lot safer.
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You do realize that season 4 was all about rick losing control and being stripped down to what he really is and he got beaten up by a Zeus and Pheonix person. Did no one watch season 4?
10 likesHenith dude he fought fucking Zeus, the problem is still prevalent
27 likes@FloodedFish but he lost that fight and nearly died.
6 likesAlso, it makes sense he would think he could do it because of his ego.
2 likesRick got his ass handed to him at the end of season 4 tho
2 likes17:03 I never realized this was a hint to his future video in home movies, haha
0 likesI believe the the reason rick becomes I "killing machine" is that it was a build up toward season fives finale as it show why rick would have made the finite curb (other than the Morty farm), to remain the best, this would in turn call for less of an appearance of those classic running away scenes. Because people would think, "why would he need to run away" . Ironically enough that finale was a major reset in order to achieve those classic feelings we got first watching the show. We might not have to see that again, although I am against the fandom in general , I regard it as one of if not the best show I've watched. The whole nothing matters theme made me think of just how big the universe is and admire it and that's why the potential is there, relating back to rick being a killing machine I believe I would like to see him run into problems because of his theoretical wall around the rick and Morty multiverse at least for a few episodes because there is always a problem with everything, and that's what the show ( in my opinion was trying to get across)
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The example is there with the terrible fandom in real life, there is definitely a problem with that
0 likesRick and Morty has a fnaf type fan base where everyone loved it during the first 2 games and seasons of the show then after that public view kinda split. The fan base is also cringe and makes a lot of people hate the series out of spite
1 likeWell I disagree after season 5, he was definitely running
0 likeswas this like a Never Ever or just a regular style commentary vid. This doesn't really fit into any real category but neither was your last one. I have been on your channel since 2013 or 2014 but god damn that pickle rick was the funniest shit I've seen
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I mean by definition it can't be a Never Ever because Solar Opposites exists.
7 likesTbh I liked the therapist bit at the end of pickle Rick. Bc yeah, she is completely correct, she knows exactly whatâs going on and now all of the characters know too. And yet they still act like they always did. Bc the knowledge of whatâs wrong, isnât as helpful as the understanding of what to do next. Also it felt like it was reaching out telling all the dumbasses who praise Rick that no, he isnât a good person, this is why, and you should already know that by now you fuckhead. It felt like he was finally taken down a peg, like Fr. Also I love morty saying he liked her, Bc yeah, he was validated for once in his life, he doesnât get that kind of support very often, and I liked to see it.
0 likesWas a good show, now it's crap. The break ruined it.
3 likesthis might just be your masterpiece
0 likesI see a lot of criticism of season 5, but honestly, I think it's the best season they've had in a while. I also feel like Solar Opposites is saving Rick and Morty. You can call it "Rick and Morty with Extra Steps", that's fine, even if that was a take that went cold thirty seconds after the first episode of Solar Opposites aired. I stuck it out, and I call it the place they put the jokes that are too sincere and optimistic for Rick and Morty. Is it better than Rick and Morty? In many ways, yes. Am I enjoying the new episodes of Rick and Morty? More than ever, thank you. Solar Opposites may have been a distraction at first, but now it feels like the shows are holding each other up, with Solar Opposites being the project they walk away to whenever they're too fatigued by Rick and Morty. Sometimes you need distance to regroup and gain perspective.
0 likesThis has to be the absolute GREATEST explanation of the show's (early) philosophy in existence. I hate how everyone thinks it's glorifying Nihilism. When as he describes, it isn't. Just like Nietzsche's works, it's almost a warning against it. Nihilism always ends up being a cover for enormous mental/emotional/philosophical pain, and to numb it. People who are lonely, afraid of the future, haunted by the past, feel worthless, etc, end up pretending that nothing matters to them. But their emotions know that that isn't true.
5 likesyou loved âDeath of the Authorâ, now try the brand-new âDeath of the Fandomâ
1 likeSeason 5 was meh. I knew it was only a matter of time before Justin injected his politics into Rick and Morty. Killed it for me.
0 likesWell with season 5 being over now it is clear that Rick and Morty has not yet risen again
0 likesThe probably with dealing with Nihilism is that its by far the most logical belief. Which makes it the stumbling block for Atheist's who put a lot of pride in being "logical" and not relying on a sky fairy for guidance.
0 likesIs it bad that, despite thoroughly enjoying the whole video, the Adult Swim-style EmpLemon bumpers were my favourite bit?
169 likesI guess you could call this "why there will ever be another show like Futurama"
0 likesNo talking about season 4? Im not an expert but i think God beating up Rick means something. He is not longer the nihilistic smarter man of the universe. Idk personally i thought it started to decay in season 4, then i watched it high and i understood the new path it took about Rick no longer being omnipotent. I dont know i think you should reconsider the show apart from season 3, because obviously season 4 is nothing like the third. Peaze
2 likesP. D. : You didmt talk about Morty's character development either. I think its worth commenting how he was a virgin Novita in season 1 and how progressivly takes more care of himself. Dont forget the shows called Rick and Morty. I hope you'd read me, i'd really like to know your opinion.
rick and morty is the funniest animated comedy I have every seen
0 likessmall detail, but i like the title of the video, nice nod to Kendrick Lamar's "Good Kid, m.A.A.d city"
2 likesI couldn't help but notice the Simpsons were green here too. Consistency: I love it
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(Theyre green in every emplemon video)
15 likesHe couldn't help but notice
3 likes12:48 "people are more depressed than ever before" yo gimme eight years of history
0 likesItâs definitely changed but itâs funny and entertaining so I donât really have a reason to care about itâs âdownfallâ after all, it is entertainment so if itâs entertaining it does itâs job
0 likesThis definitely isn't the best place to ask this but what happened to schaffrillas' season 3 review of Rick and Morty? I would have liked to hear what he would have said.
2 likes18:00 ugh.
0 likesTo this day I always skip the Pickle Rick episode when rewatching the series
The fandom ruined it for me. Plus it's not the best of episodes anyway
I love the pickle Rick episode change my mind
0 likesThe pickle rick episode also shows him actualy care if he dies or not.
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I think the episode shows how flawed rick is. He avoids therapy because he doesn't like to be aware of himself
0 likesI still haven't seen the end of Futurama so I can pretend like it's not over
0 likesDo bojack next! This was awesome
1 likeHoly shit this is almost literally the most insightful analysis of rick and morty imo
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Its why I watch the guy. I dont always agree though, but that's a plus.
3 likes@blinded journeyman same, i think he is pretty lost on some issues but he is clearly very smart
0 likes@VORTEX STUDIOS already watched. Nuxanor is pretty funny if insightful at times.
0 likesImagine comparing Rick and Morty to the glory that is Futurama
1 likeRick and morty is still a great show
0 likesThis video is a masterpiece
0 likesThank you for making this video
0 likesMan
43 likesYour shit never gets old. Hope to be half the content creator you are.
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Same
0 likesWas with you for the first part of this video but the second half was meh. Youâre doing the same exact thing the fandom is doing by creating an idea of what the show should be. Itâs a dark comedy that has a slow but developing story line. A lot of the episodes may only feature a small portion of actual important content but thatâs fine. Canât we just enjoy the show for the characters and the great commentary and action? Like why tf does every show have to be the Shawshank redemption of the generation and be the next greatest thing. Iâm so tired of watching people complain about shit like this
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it's not that it can't be just a ridiculous show. it's actually super enjoyable both ways to me, but i think the main problem with its evolution is because it presented such incredible development that never saw proper finalization, or at least the same deal of care. it's the fact it changed so greatly too soon.
0 likesDid you like episode 4 ?
0 likesPersonally i dont know someone who doesent love Rick and Morty
0 likesWAS a good show
0 likesI disagree but to each their own. I'm pretty sure season 3 just had a bigger audience with hype built during the long hiatus and it wasn't the most perfect show to exist that appealed to everyone. I don't think pickle rick is a downfall at all, in fact, it's one of the most highly rated episodes. Plus the ricklantis mixup came after that one. I don't think the fandom really cared that there was a therapist who said Rick turned himself into a pickle to avoid getting out of therapy (which is the most obvious and basic interpretation you can give within therapy), it's cause it dominated the internet with a meme spread by both people who watched the show and people who haven't seen an episode.
0 likes"When the whole show is telling you nothing matters, then the audience has to ask themselves why the show matters."
162 likesSums up how I feel about the show. Emp Lem you a smart boi
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That's not all the show says. But ok then.
4 likesRoslina Tamold
8 likesTo be fair you have to have a very high IQ to understand emplemonâs commentary
The show isn't saying "nothing matters" the main character says that whilst his actions completely juxtapose this and show that actually he cares a LOT but he's terrified to show it.
1 likeThat's like saying "Silence of the lambs tells us to kill people and harvest their skin". Honestly it really breaks my brain the way people think that presenting something is the same as endorsing something.
â@YourPalHDee Rick, Morty and pretty much every character in Season 3 are depressed and hate filled. Did you even watch the video? Rick is called 'smartest man in the universe' and is unstoppable yet the show still pedals this loneliness kryptonite for him that just doesn't work, because 'Morty nothing matters idiot.' I actually love the show but I couldn't put my finger on why I disliked Season 3 so much, and now I feel like I know from Emp Lem's perspective.
3 likesHarvesting people's skin wasn't all SIlence of the Lambs had to offer, but boy it sure was in there wasn't it!
And then in season 4, they stop being hate filled and realize how toxic rick is. Did you even watch season 4.
0 likes@Henith nope. pretty sure I never mentioned season 4 :)
0 likesThat was my point. Why does no one acknowledge season 4?
0 likesGreat video but literally the end credit scene shows him being rescued smh
0 likesYour video is so refreshing. Thank you
1 likethis is insane, can't believe this happened. really crazy..
0 likesThe pay off in the season 3 finale is the family coming together to stop Rick (god) nonsense to nihilism over Jerry (human nature) and the next seasons show the family making progress even with flaws, all the seasons are solid with great episodes but the show getting infamous is bc like other media that get popular it brings toxic people
0 likesXavier Renegade Angel is an all time classic
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You got a license to say that chiqoman?
16 likesFuck yeah
1 likeYou're goddam right
1 likeIt's goated
0 likesYou slumber a cucumber
9 likesAgreed.
0 likesDaddy
0 likesPersonal thoughts on Rick and Morty by season:
18 likesseason 1, 10/10
season 2, 9/10
season 3, 6/10
season 4, 8/10
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Why S3 so low?
3 likesI agree season 3 was not the greatest of the bunch, but it had my favorite episode of the show in it. And in season 4 the least favorite.
1 likeSeason 5 start up strong
4 likesdoes anyone know the intro song to this vid its sooo good
1 likenow do Steven Universe to see what true derangement looks like
9 likesI think you missed the point of the pickle rick episode. Rick turns himself into a pickle so he can avoid going to therapy with his family. You said so urself Ricks defense mechanism is to run away and by turning himself into a pickle thatâs what he does. He avoids the responsibility of having a mature discussion of his mental health and irresponsible behavior by turning himself into a pickle. And I donât believe the therapy scene was Susan Sarandon explaining whatâs the show is or how the audience is supposed to think, I believe sheâs forcing Rick to confront his behavior.
6 likesAnd I disagree that the Pickle Rick episode was created for the sake of fanservice. I donât believe any Rick n Morty episode exists for the sake of fan service. In Season 4 Episode 1 we see the creators throwing away much more interesting plots and concepts for the sake of a joke about fan speculation of the series. Honestly speaking I donât Dan or Justin really give a shit what the fans think and theyâre gonna make their product regardless wether itâs celebrated or disdained by the audience.
Also I donât believe this is the episode where Rick n Morty jump the shark. To me itâs probably the most mundane episode in the series and itâs the one I find the least entertaining.
The fact that Rick is LITERALLY immortal because "If he die, his soul gets uploaded to another clone" really made the show alot less engaging. Where's the suspension in anything if even death isn't a threat??
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Well the thing is the main point of a show isnât a complex storyline with tense amd dramatic moments, sure it has some heavy moments scattered here and there but ultimately itâs a comedy show with an extremely meta humor
12 likesHe was always immortal. Thatâs the point rick canât die. He always say it.
0 likesYou are wrong because the winter is smaller than the Spaghetti Couch. Always was and will not be, because continuity and inherent logic. You can't argue with that, period.
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@Kino Man Yeah I get that but what's the point of putting Rick in dangerous situations if there are no risk? Plus the one time he tried to kill himself turned out to be pointless
10 likesMilkyWay 02 i guess the purpose of putting rick in dangerous situations is to show how he is able to overcome it in the most absurd way possible, or itâs even just a way ro animate an entertaining fight scenes like the one with the president. Hell one of the stakes in a dangerous situation in season 4 is the plot. The plot itself is at stake in that situation
1 like@Kino Man I mean sure, R&M is a Serialized Comedy show, but that doesn't mean it can't have an over-arching Narrative. By making Rick Pseudo Immortal, they take the ability to kill him away for any future story/episodes, because "Well he's always immortal"
6 likesOne Show I like to bring up a lot in this problem is DBZ (Dragon ball Z) They write a lot of their stories as "This person is the strongest ever" instead of "this person is one of the strongest ever" Meaning that for every Arc or Season, they gotta bust out another strong man and explain how he's even stronger than the last strongest ever big boss man. And it's cause they run into that problem, and why Goku has to have 70 different transformations because they can't obviously have Goku use the same form to destroy the next strongest guy if he's stronger than the last right?
@Free Trial Yes, Superman also had that problem. Since his only weakness is cryptonite the writers had to add a lot of different cryptonite-types to keep the narrative compelling. In addition, the whole One Punch Man anime really shows how boring it is to be unchallenged and immortal.
4 likesMilkyWay 02 well yea being unchallenged and immortal is broing for a story but the thing is that what makes rick and morty fun to watch is just because of how rick solves proboems in the most absurd ways possible and also sprinkled with some part of the serious flaws in his character
0 likesno, this means he CAN die which increases the tension. if he wasnt immortal he could not die or the show is over. it also adds existential horror in case he actually CANT die.
0 likes@John Jon Jhon Johnathan Johnston Johnstar IV But if he dies his soul just carries on to another dimention, making him psuedo immortal
3 likes@Andreas Westerveld Rick possibly dying wasn't ever really the draw of the show was it? I mean he's the main character, to me, their adventures were always more wacky and comedic rather than suspenseful
4 likesThat sponser was earned
1 likeThat was a pretty smooth sponsorship
0 likesAh so this is why i all of a suddenly lost interest in the show half way thru season 3
1 likeYou said Rick is too powerful in S3, which is a fair point. But ironically, now in s4 and s5 people complain that Rick is too weak, or vulnerable.
0 likes"It's about family... and that's what's so powerful about it."
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you have great taste in podcasts
8 likes@Brennan Meyer Love me some hack frauds.
3 likesThe curse of Adult swim continues. I spent 6 years waiting for 3 season
0 likesOf ventures bros only to have to check out because it started blatant pandering.
you know you got to the good part of the video when the gran turismo music kicks in.
0 likesName of the vid is great! props to you, and your great taste in music mate!
0 likesyou think the therapy scene came off as cheap? it's literally the only redeeming feature of that episode lol
0 likesI don't think people are saying women aren't funny. They're critical of Dan hiring female writers entirely cuz he got shit for the S1-S2 writers room being all guys then getting on a soapbox about adding diversity....and then one of the female writers creating the pickle rick episode with a condescending literal self insert therapist character.
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Remember the days when tv shows could just hire who's right for the job
82 likes@some guy who edits The idea of merit based hiring is dangerous in modern times.
55 likes@Xtof yeah hiring people based on gender and race is much better
19 likes@Xtof Can you actually explain this to me please. What's wrong with merit based hiring?
10 likesCaliber Studios I think he was being sarcastic
15 likes@sTYLz In the modern western world there's a rabid devotion to the idea that every group (writers, mechanics, doctors, etc...) must look like a university poster. That it's essential to have a token for every group rather than the best people for the job.
39 likesHiring based on merit runs the risk of the staff not having the acceptable look. That's why Dan and the show got criticism for an all male writing staff even though they were the best fit.
@Xtof Ah I see, but if people didn't complain then there shouldn't be an issue with hiring people specifically tailored for the job.
3 likes@J W I think its good to have people with similar visions and personality writing a show or game, even if it means your staff is disproportionately white.
25 likes@J W Though to be honest race isnt really a factor in deciding who you like as individuals, and there are plenty of systems to determine the credibility of writers like previous projects and recommendations from past studios as well as college degrees in writing. Your point really only come's to fruition when you are considering entry level jobs for people just getting into the industry.
14 likes@J W Easy I'd think. If you got good chemistry with the writers, good personal communication and share similar ideas, then yeah you'll often find people hire based on those characteristics. Only those who focus on race make race an issue imo.
2 likes@Mookie Ăber Alles I mean, That depends on what you mean by popular, if you mean something that got butts into seats for a couple of episodes, then sure, he's complaining about one episode written by a woman. But if you mean that it completely derailed the entire series and made the show, almost into a parody of what it was trying to parody, then no.
11 likesRemember Popular =/= Good.
@Mookie Ăber Alles You're assuming that I hated the episode when I thought it was fine. It wasn't a banger, but it wasn't "bad"
17 likesRemember Assumptions make an ass out of you and me.
@Free Trial I think they're trolling.
1 like@AM-Ranth I want to assume that you are..... but in this climate they could be legit serious lol.
3 likesOk. Sense none of you actually know a thing about the industry, and basically know one does unless you work in it. There is actually a huge problem weâre basically all shows are written by white guys. As in, there is basically no women or diversity in the writer. Like none. You think for diversity for acting jobs is bad, for writers itâs non existent.
1 likeI donât know about you. But thatâs fucked up.
@A L why is that a problem?
12 likes@A L But ultimately that's the beauty of media. You can change that if you want. Grab some friends, sit down and write something you find enjoyable and then all that's left is to pitch it. It might not exist yet but you could very well be the start of a show written entirely by black women or a gang of mexican pensioners. If what you come up with is any good i certainly look forward to watching it.
8 likes@vorbo01 Very few of them get "free jobs" just because they fit a criteria. You're acting as if all you need to do is belong to these groups, vitue signal, and that's it. You got the job. Nope. The majority will always be white dudes. And it'll take a long time for that to change because people inherently don't like change. Also yeah no one like a person that whines their way into a job, but that rarely ever happens cause no one will buy their bullshit whining.
0 likes@Starbursts "that rarely ever happens"
14 likesđđđ Yeah keep telling yourself that.
Interesting how you draw no correlation between the third season being shit with the inclusion of four women to the writing team, with the showrunner openly stating it was for "diversity". Not because he thought they were talented. Not because he thought they were funny or creative. It was because they were women. and season 3 was mostly dogshit, surprise surprise.
Interesting that Joan Rivers never got free legs up because of what was between her legs, and is regarded as a comedy legend, yet these writers will fade into obscurity.
Wonder what the difference was? đ€đ€
@vorbo01 I meant that it rarely happens in the real world because most people only care about qualifications, whether it be for uni or for jobs. Rick and Morty was just one of the few cases where it did happen for whatever reason. I don't most shows that hire simply because of "muh diversity"
0 likes@Starbursts yeah and I'm telling you, it's not that rare in the real world. It happens all the time.
9 likesHow was the therapist a self insert?
0 likes@A L But can I ask you a question though. Why does the Writer of a show being white or Male matter?
8 likesWhat should matter is if the Content is good, not what charateristics the person writing the show has. I know I'm not a person that curates my content by the race behind the person making it.
That's not to say Diversity can't be good (it can) but just like any entertainment industry, the only thing that should matter is if the content is good. Not the people behind the content.
@J W People hiring people who are like themselves is part of what makes a show good. Similar people are going to be more on the same page when it comes to writing or really most ideas - and its absurd to ask a team of artists to add new artists that won't necessarily mesh well with the existing team just because you're obsessed with equity. Writing something worthwhile is incredibly difficult, doing it by committee is harder, and when its by a committee that's 50% diversity hires because 'muh white dudes can't be the whole team' its nearly impossible.
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0 likesStarbursts I hope u are trolling, cause this kind of cases arenât rare anymore, and if so, would u mind sending a link o something? And if u canât, just acknowledge that u might be wrong. This was an interesting comment thread to read.
0 likesHaving said that though, women aren't particularly funny. It's like 1/100 women are funny and 4/10 men are funny.
2 likesI love how you spit all over film theory
0 likesI still like the show even in the 5th season but its just not as good now
0 likesyour videos have such chill vibes
0 likes4 new writers join season 3. Season 3 creates a downward spiral.
0 likesCoincidence?
"This is where Rick becomes a flat character"
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Yea i see he loves smash bros music lol. Love it
15 likes@ZachStarAttack Ya I also heard the ice climbers somewhere in there
0 likes@artist meme and super smash bros melee ost
0 likesBeep beep boop boop
0 likes@Steve Weast i stay up so late
1 like@mangofried SiIvaGunner.
0 likes@Daelin "Zeppi" Zeppeli (TheInsaneComputerGamer) phew, I thought I was going to have to explain the joke
0 likesR&M season 1 and 2 were great. 3-5 were filled with a majority of lackluster episodes.
0 likesEven a lot of the good episodes are ruined by this weirdly returning theme of BDSM type humor, which, is really just cringe to most people.
The writers are constantly speaking through Rick about their hatred towards repetitive show themes and cannon story structures, yet they have no problem consistently dropping BDSM themes on their audience.
Im not trying to sound awkward.
But my point is, that most people watch rick and morty to see graphic, epic, and often hilarious adventures through the sci-fi theme-toybox that is space.
I do not watch the show to see some joke about morty banging his sister or some crap like that. It isn't funny, it doesn't gross me out, its just weird and doesn't fit with the rest of the show. If it were only 1 or 2 episodes I wouldn't think much of it, but just as ol George RR wants to flash dicks to his audience, the writers of R&M clearly have some weird sexual craving to drop BDSM themes onto their audience.
Again, it doesn't gross me out, it only angers me because it clearly ruins the show.
They turned the greatest space cartoon ever into the greatest space cartoon ever for people who are into bdsm.
Why is it that whenever you see a shirtless man in R&M, 50% of the time his nipples are pierced or something much worse? Its just weird, this isn't talked about enough.
This and the whole divorce saga completely ruined the show.
Cut the drama, forget the bdsm crap, and you have a great show.
I watched the video
0 likesAnd I enjoyed your points
But they show has sucked since season 3 because rick felt less like an antihero and more like an asshole
Described in two words: fucking halarious
0 likespickle rick ruined the show for me, it's the "homer's enemy" of rick and morty for me.
0 likesstill watch the show for evil morty tho
Reminds me of a preacher I heard the other day:
287 likesâLife is like a train station. Only a stop, but you still canât trash itâ
Edit: Talking about the counter-nihilism, specifically 13:10
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I don't get it. Can you explain what this means?
5 likes@mrmarioscatman Life is just a short stop on an eternal journey, but that doesn't mean you should treat it like it's disposable. Though what that has to do with the video besides being a counterpoint to nihilism, I can't tell you.
36 likesThe meaning I got from it was though you will die and go to heaven or hell eventually, it is still your responsibility to act respectably. You canât just say âweâll all die it doesnât matterâ, and use that as an excuse for your actions.
17 likesBut Iâm just some dude on the internet so idk make your own meaning of it
@Evan DeGeer I mean, I agree, but I wasn't sure what in the video made you think of that.
0 likesTbh I donât know but specifically I would think 13:10, the interview with dan Harmon.
0 likes@Evan DeGeer treating events and experiences as meaningless just because they end is so idiotic to me.
11 likesOshie Op Water and I completely agree
2 likesBring back MDE: World Peace
0 likesThat's kinda useless unless you are 100% sure you are going to an afterlife.
1 likeWell duh, this was advice given by a priest in church.
1 like@Not Applicable SAM HYDE
0 likesI think Trump getting elected made a lot of people go insane and this show was a part of that fallout.
9 likesI love the Kendrick Lamar refrence lmao
2 likesDamn you really ripped into MatPat on this video. And it's pretty accurate too.
0 likesI swear I cant hear someone even mention futurama without watching it soon after.
0 likesNever cared for Rick and Morty, but dang, this made me appreciate the show more than I ever wanted to.
15 likesMan I thought the film theory thing was just a meme, BUT HE HAS MADE 17 EPISODES ABOUT R&M??
0 likesThis is the same thing that happened to craft beer. Now a large percentage of the market consumes it and itâs everywhere. It âruinedâ it for the small groups in each city who had massive stores of the shit because you had to travel to find it. They donât get to be elitist about it at parties and restaurants anymore so itâs ânot the sameâ or âwas so much better 15 years ago.â The truth is this is a fuckin cartoon created for entertainment. Itâs not high art or profound philosophy. Watch it or donât. No one but you gives a shit.
0 likeswho's here after Season 5's MR. NIMBUS!!!!!!
2 likesWhy is Cartman in that gang đ
1 likeI stopped watching after season 3 i didn't like this season it wasn't the same.
28 likesThis video explained what happened really well.
Really great video man.
I have watched the first three episodes of season 5 and I don't think I will keep watching. I just want to remember RM as a good show.
0 likesWe're miserable now in this age because the people in charge make it that way! Power in division
0 likesI feel like this is what happened to Stranger Things as well.
1 likeI love Rick and morty but I didnât know they had weird ass fans đ all my friends like Rick and morty but they never act like the characters đ
0 likesCan't wait for the sequel, To Pimp A Pickle
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Beat me to it. Damn...
17 likes@Stop You need help DAMN.*
5 likesThat will get All The Stars/5
0 likesThats the point he is essentially a GOD through science
0 likesHonestly, the bottomline is it became mainstream, so it was frowned upon. That's how practically everything goes. Good show, revered by everyone, then it becomes mainstream. Then suddenly it's garbage, regardless what the show it did itself.
0 likesI wonder what your opinion on the new season is. I havent liked this season too much tbh
0 likesFun fact the voice of king jellybean is Tom Kenny lol
0 likesTo show how much hype R&M lost: i didnt even know they aired the second half
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I knew the fourth season was out, but where my brain would have immediately watched all of it had I still been 18 and the show not fallen into commercialized cynicism - I just mentally checked out around the Dragon Sex episode and watched TVSins recap the rest of it.
26 likesAnother thing I noticed is that like Two and a Half Men tried to suck the life out of its gimmicky premise/title by adding new people to fill in the "two and a half" role, they're trying to squeeze everything they can out of the Morty/Jerry/Rick name puns in the episode titles now.
"Claw and Hoarder: Special Ricktim's Morty", "Childrick of Mort", and by far the worst one of these is "Star Mort: Rickturn of the Jerri." - like, not only is that stretching your gimmick a little too far, who wants to say they're catching the end of "Star Mort: Rickturn of the Jerri" without sounding stupid or they had a stroke?
At least the Never Ricking Morty title - while still stupid, you can say it out loud without it sounding like you're reading from the Necronomicon.
Eh, the vat of acid episode is one of the best in the last 2 seasons. The finale sucked
2 likes@Rocky38 better than season 3 still, im just curious about how they're gonna finish this show, if they ever do
1 like@Linky without a doubt it is far superior to season 3. I was defending the first half of season 4 before the 2nd half because it was still better.
3 likesJust the finale really turned me off but I forgave the show after that anime short.
The show is doomed to be like simpsons and spongebob. Never to end. Plus theyve got that contract which by 10 episode seasons is gonna last a while.
Nah my only hope from the show going foward is more creativity and a cgi movie in my lifetime
@Eat At Joe's See, to me, that's why I like the titles; that's the humor in them: they've run out of easy ones but they're committed to seeing it through, so they just go all out in finding the dumbest name pun to fit the episode.
2 likesThe second half is actually pretty good ecspecially vat of acid and the finale
1 likeI think the perfect way to sum up the issues with the show is ricks backstory. In seasons 1 and 2 we get glimpses into ricks past, we learn about how he left Beth and his wife, and that Ricks wife has seemingly died. In season 3 we get the reveal an emotional scene the fans had been waiting for, Rick was visited by another Rick before heâd invented the portal gun, who killed his family. It was great, but then the show says fuck you thatâs not the real story ya idiots. The topic was ignored mostly until season 5, where we get a kind of anticlimactic reveal that the story from season 3 was his real backstory. Then right after just to rub salt on the wound, the reveal that fans had been waiting for us is shit on by Rick saying, ânow everyone can shut up about itâ. The writers clearly arenât interested in finishing the storyâs they set up, but fan demand is forcing them to.
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0 likesWhat CAN YOU mention online without sparking a vicious debate?
10:41 imagine you see someone hit by a car and they just say "wubba... lubba.. dub dub" and die
0 likesThe people that defend S4 & S5 are mostly low brow stoner humor fans imo. They never understood the nuance in S1 & S2 so to them the show has barely changed at all, it's still just wacky sci-fi adventures
1 likeFor me it's just a fun show, nothing more nothing less, it does spoof a lot of things and that's the charm about it. If I wanted to be a nihilist I'd just die.
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The thing about being a nihilist is that you wouldn't even have a reason to die because as a nihilist you don't have a reason for anything at all
0 likes@Dominik Weber rick isnt a true nihilist though. it's said that he is, more than once, but that doesnt mean HE really is entirely.
2 likesGreat, turns out I'm Rick but less intelligent. Awesome..
0 likesPickle Rick was the first episode I watched of the show
0 likesThis is the best sponsorship ad I have seen ...
1 likeRick manipulated his family into distancing from Jerry. I get what you say, but that would not have been RickFitting.
0 likes"Fandoms (...) were never able to truly materialize until the advent of the internet."
325 likesA lot of what you say about Rick and Morty and fandoms are on point, but this combined with your earlier comments about Star Trek VS. Star Wars shows a certain ignorance of pop culture history. "Mary Sue", the biggest amorphous boogeyman of pop fiction commentary, came from a 1974 Star Trek fanfiction parodying other Star Trek fanfiction.
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Does the football war between salavador and honduras count too ?
24 likesI remember in 1970 when a star trek fan cancelled the show on Twitter
30 likesDamn I remember the 50's when the Laurel and Hardy stans and the I love Lucy stans had a twitter war.
9 likesThe show has nihilistic and absurdist philosophical views
0 likesHarmon and Roiland create a show on a major TV network and than everyone freaks out when they become mainstream lol
0 likesIt makes a lot of sense that if you change one letter in Mortyâs name itâs Marty!
0 likesNothing went wrong with pickle rick
0 likes"Can a fandom become so insufferable that damages the show reputation beyond repair?"
416 likesbro u ever heard of religion?
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Religion might be a bad example given how long it's been going on.
17 likes@Phoebe Aurum except most fandoms are chaotic pathetic mess, while religions, putting aside a lot of their cons, have brought many (if not more) good things to society.
35 likesSome of them were: education (in past, only priests of various religions where really well educated, and educated others, such as Church teaching peasantry better techniques of cultivation, or opening first schools), diplomacy, or (whats most important) creating and uniting entire civilizations.
Currently popular narrative about Church or other religions holding humanity back is mostly wrong, according to general position of historians and other social researchers.
Fandoms on the other hand are mostly filled with a young, introverted, socially inept people, who often do not understand what behaviour is proper or adequate in certain situations. Hence all the "cringiness".
Hey man I'm a fan of Jesus Christ and I'm here to wish you a good day and God Bless.
36 likesReligion is still so fucking interesting, no matter if you think is real or not.
27 likes@Martin Luther your nick makes it even funnier
11 likes@MonkaKonga Yes, just yo clarify, faith on itself is not toxic or bad or stupid, if you think that it's because you had a pretty easy care free life, but institucionalized religion on the other hand...
11 likes@Martin Luther STAN JESUS
4 likes@đ” Revival of Apollo đ” "Dear Jesus, I wrote you but you still aint calling."
8 likes2011 athiests called they want their cringe back
12 likesTrue jesus stans toxic af
3 likes@Generic Bro Yo you are being toxic right now I am the Jesus Stan here and I'm telling people God Bless you and you are saying i'm toxic without knowing me. TOXIC AF BRUH
1 like@Generic Bro or am I not a TRUE Jesus stan? Then I guess I'm going to have to stan it up.. somebody play Dido
0 likes@Martin Luther hey martin luther how yo doin
2 likes@Generic Bro I'm doing fine my friend, thanks for asking. :)
3 likesSooo edgy
1 likeLol
0 likesNever seen a Rick And Morty, FNAF, or Undertale fandom running a soup kitchen, donating billions to charity, or salvaging and recording ancient history for thousands of years.
5 likesEver hear of that thing called "Scientific Theory"? Yeah, a priest created that. Ever year of "Standard Experimental Procedure"? Yep. Priests made that shit too.
@Akiraspin Yes, but not because they were priest, but because church only allowed knowledge to be spread among them and aside from the common folk, it is an interesting debate sure but it is far from the point
2 likesAlso, rick and morty, FNAF or undertale fandom do not ask me for money or judge me based on my personal life choices, so no
@Dany Osuna that's where ur wrong
0 likesâ@Dany Osuna "I hold it in my heart, the truest pursuit of knowledge, the understanding of this earthly realm, is one of the most righteous attempts at becoming closer to Our Father, who created all of us and this beautiful world in which we inhabit. Therefore, it is impossible for science to ever disprove the existence of God, and as such, should be embraced wholeheartedly for every man of the cloth." - Thomas Aquinas.
0 likesYikes, so basically you're wrong and this guy became a scientist because he was religious, and believed that understanding the universe would bring him closer to God
@Akiraspin I am not even talking about your religion bro, chill, is not black and white there are shades of gray in everything
3 likesHey, fedora.
0 likesLast time I checked fnaf fans werenât starting literal wars and killing people for existing
0 likesWell that's a stupid take.
1 likeTips fedora
0 likesOk neckbeard
Rick and morty may not be what it once was but itâs far from dead
0 likesI would love to see a Smiling Friends episode
1 likeI'm a huge fan, but I dunno about season 5. Something's wrong with it.. It's like all the characters got nerfed. Rick was less Rick, Beth was less Beth, Jerry was less Jerry..
1 likeRick is nihilistic, reckless and irresponsible with a god complex, but there were many times in season 5 where he was just an idiot. He's not supposed to be dumb.. And since when does Rick love Jerry? There was literally a whole season dedicated to how much Rick hates Jerry! Why does this Rick care so much? I don't want a Rick who cares?!
Where's Beth's ambitious nature and her lizard brain?
And we're not supposed to sympathize with Jerry. He's an insecure coward who USES sympathy. He's a parasite!
What we loved about these characters was how messed up they were. Dan please don't take that away! It's part of the shows charm..
I'm starting to not recognize the characters in this show..
If rick and morty all gotta long, they prolly got me down by the end of the song
0 likesThe deepest lore is that Jerry's erectile dysfunction was caused by the minoxidil he ordered via Keeps.
68 likesTo be fair they say smartest man not creature or being so they can still save the show
0 likesI'm glad this channel is a thing
0 likesAdult Swim did to Rick & Morty what they did to The Venture Bros. I quit once it was clear they wouldn't be rolling out seasons in any particular time frame.
0 likesA damn fine video essay
0 likesI'VE TURNED MYSELF INTO A CRINGY FANDOM MORTY! I'M PICKLE CRINGE!!!!!!!!!!!!
187 likesOh come on, Solar Opposites is an awesome show :(
1 likeThe guy is at least a few years younger than me⊠futurama ended after I graduated.
0 likesthese are some amazing takes
0 likesI disagree with your explanation about the Pickle Rick episode. Otherwise neat video man
0 likesThe High IQ meme was a troll. Can't believe Dan Harmon took it seriously.
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Many people took it seriously
15 likesThat's because your IQ needs to be at least in the 99th percentile to understand the very high IQ meme
46 likesAh yes, the classic "I was merely PRETENDING to be retarded!" prank. What a troll.
5 likes@felixdaniels37 The original poster was a shitpost account, not an actual fan of the show
19 likesThe original may have been a troll, but a lot of fans are like that. Under a post on the R&M Insta, was one of those sex bots, this time commenting. ''I haven't fricked in so long my hymen is back together and I'm a virgin again uwu''. Told her to get herself a biology class because I thought the comment was pretty funny. Some greasy neckbeard immediately replied to me ''You don't understand biology.'' and when I argued it was a mandatory class, he just made dumb arguments like ''Hehe u still dumb probably'' They knew nothing about me, and still went ''hhehehehheheh I bet she's stupid because I am the superior incel king'', and then went out of their way to try and make someone feel bad/ make themselves feel better. Makes it hard to enjoy the series when you get told ''You probably don't understand it though'' by those types the moment one catches you talking about it.
4 likesAnneide Neckbeards and a lot of conservatives on instagram and twitter will literally just say âhehehe snowflake sUpEr WOkeâ after you supply them with reasoning and facts for a simple argument. Any accuse to somehow feel smart like a show about âthe smartest manâ will attract people with very little intelligence. Like sometimes I feel like watching any show people, whether itâs online or irl friends and family, will act as if the show is real and miss the actual point because they canât imagine any other perspective besides their own. It reminds me of that tweet EmpLemon showed how people aspire to be like Rick or The Joker or Walter White in real life or in how they conduct themselves online and by doing so they miss the obvious point that these characters are unhappy for a reason and they are meant to show the viewer the dangers of acting that way.
0 likesAnneide Also sorry this is long but the other factor of how Rick and Morty, a show that is written by more liberal/progressive people and shows that through the characters somehow attracts incels and other bigots. Do they somehow not realize that by supporting the show they are supporting something/someone who literally makes fun of them and their skewed beliefs
0 likesall what you explained is blown away with season 5 finale.
0 likesJerryâs erectile dysfunction is gonna lead to a sponsor ship with blue chew
0 likesthe newer seasons are more focused on the family aspect.
0 likesWhat if rick suffers from Reactive attachment disorder? just a thought
0 likesIâve never seen Rick and Morty before, but just watching how the fandom devolved everything around the show, even at a distance over the years, is just so fascinating to me.
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Some people just want to watch the world burn. I think I heard that somewhere
2 likesSame, I just took my imagery popcorn and watched the fandom go up and down. Now I just wanna know if the show is worth the watch. Especially with the new season coming out soon. đ
0 likesWelp, season 5 turned out to be a disaster
1 likeMy rebuttal, no Rick and Morty's quality has not taken any precipitous downturn at any point. However in saying that, one has to acknowledge that Rick and Morty has never been anything more than a good, clever & funny show. Some fans had put it up on a pedestal as something beyond that. It never was, but it remains a good, clever & funny show. Also, Pickle Rick was a great episode and Doctor Wong's dialog being so on the nose was a humorous device aimed at sit-com structure tropes itself as much as the in-episode situation, not a lazy resolution/explanation of the family therapy narrative. Certainly Pickle Rick did not signify and downward trajectory for Rick and Morty, it is a great episode.
0 likesThe title of this video is very satisfying đ great job
1 likeHonestly, when I clicked into this video I thought it was a fan made mashup album with Rick and Morty, and Kendrick Lamar, but then I saw who the video was from
0 likesI had a "friend" of mine that used to ship Rickorty...
0 likesThere are certain things that are so cursed that i can't even grasp about it properly without wanting to die
That ad was actually worth watching
0 likesThis is probably the best video about rick and morty on yt
0 likesThe pickle Rick episode is great
0 likes"Buy another one Morty, consume Morty!"
365 likesgets an advert for Audible
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2 likesHe deliberately put an ad there for the joke, didn't he
4 likesLol that was low key funny though. But speaking of buy another one morty consume. Pringles, hbo max, and wendys. They became what they were always against.
1 like@fraZ0R I'm surprised that Emp would be allowed to do so.
1 likeYall need some adblock fr
1 likeI got fucking Amazon, the face of mass consumerism
1 likeI've said it hundreds of times, and I'll say it again.
0 likesA fandom does not represent the work itself. Toxic or not, that shouldn't be seen as a slant towards it, as it isn't the work's fault. If you like something, you're free to do so, and you're not obliged to consider yourself part of the fandom. It's completely separate from the work anyway.
Simply put, hating something soley because of its fandom is completely asinine.
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Bro did you even watch the video? He literally says that we should judge things off their own merits. The problem isnât a bad fandom, its when said bad fandom directly influences the show.
2 likes26:42 u get that with actors, they come on season 1 of a show , they are un known b line actors , then in season 3 -4 they start Not trying as hard , it seems like they don't practice there lines ,,, its like they know ppl will love them No matter how well , or ok they do .
0 likesShow is still excellent imo
0 likesthank god s4 and 5 ended up being great! ESPECIALLY S5. everything about s5 has made it the best season so far imo
0 likesI just realized that he turns the Simmons green to avoid copyright. (Correction it is a completely different reason but I donât remember it.) Edit: he hue shifted them up roughly 255 when he made a YouTube poop on the Simpsons. The 255 was significant because that was the amount of simpsons episodes at the time
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A yes, the classic Simmons.
131 likes@Big Guy đ”the simmooons!đ”
67 likesMy favorite is Barf Simmon
74 likesBAAAAAAARM!
25 likesHammer Simmon has always been my favorite character.
34 likesNo, watch his Simpson's video
10 likesSimmons is maroon.
1 likesimmon pls
0 likesnot to be confused with the famous actor J.K. Simpsons
9 likesI like the Simmons dog, Satan's Li'l Hopper
4 likesđ¶thuhhhh sssiiiimmmmmmooooonssssđ¶
0 likesIt looks like you misspelled Simpsonâs on purpose to avoid copyright as well lol
1 likeyet another thing inevitably ruined by a fandom
0 likesi really like rick and morty and i really like the boondocks too, love cartoons so much
0 likesIts same as star wars, or any anime. The shows are great, the fans are snarling rabbit weasels that kiss their posters before bed.
1 likeAnd anyone who challenges the fanbase on their virginity ridden lore gets out numbered by grown men who have never spoken to anyone but their parents.. It'd be nice to just be able to enjoy a show like naruto or clone wars without getting literal death threats from the fanbase
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@sadge
0 likesPickle rick was awesome :))
0 likes9:47
0 likesvery good choice of music there
real ones know the show is about rick getting the szechuan sauce
0 likesIf Rick and morty is the smartest show then half life is the smartest game
0 likesDamn bro i thought this was gonna be some crazy mashup album.
0 likesA year later Rick is in Fortnite and I'm having brain damage
0 likes@emplemon pls make an update video on this for season 5. I think season 4 was a step in the right direction and season 5 is really good minus a few episodes. Can you pls make an update video on what you think about rick and morty now.
0 likes9:44 "it's about family, that's what so powerful about it
0 likesThe title good show m.A.A.d fandom is actually very clever itâs a reference to Kendrick Lamarâs good kid MAAD city in that album that MAAD is abbreviation for either my angry adolescence divided which could signal how our memories of the show are ruined from the fandom of Rick and Morty itâs also an abbreviation for my angels on angel dust which could also stand for how the fandom is so unhinged and out of touch itâs like theyâre on drugs
0 likesman, i feel like going back and watching the first two seasons again now.
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Hey man you working on a new episode love your content
2 likesthe amount of effort you spend on your videos is unreal, but what wld make it better is if u worried less about the script that u write 4 urself and just did a bit of improv humour like nakeyjakey 4 example bcos i cld find myself whilst visually stimulated a bit bored at times. that wld rly push ur content 2 god tier status :)
2 likesWe can always pretend that the show only lasted two seasons and enjoy those two seasons as good time.
1 likeYou're videos are bad, however I personally am working on a new project and would like your support. I'll send you a patreon in a moment ;)
0 likesrick is depressed for the same reason I'm depressed. He knows that the universe is subject to the hard determinism of cause and effect. Everything that happens in the wholeness of time was determined in the few moments before the big bang. Free will is a lie. The afterlife consists of your subjective experience in the universe echoing throughout eternity. This is as good as it gets.
0 likesRick and Morty should have taken some lessons from the Venture bros
0 likesthis is one of the worst things of the internet. everytime there's a great show or movie, the fandom ends up being awful
0 likes8-Bit Adventure at 9:47 completely through me off after watching Geowizard lmao
1 likeI really like Rick and Morty, but Community will always be Dan Harmon's magnum opus.
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An emplemon video about community would be great
2 likesThatâs on baby
1 likewhile I think community is still an excellent show, if we were to live in a world without community and with rick and morty it would be a lot more of the same than vice versa. R&M was more unique, innovative, and groundbreaking. community played to a formula (very well mind you) in the same way that brooklyn 99 and the office played to formulas. all these shows are great. but r&m is special.
3 likes@vincent28 this is crazy community was arguably one of the most subversive sitcoms ever. Definitely not particularly comparable to the office or b99
10 likesvincent28 if anything the most consistent thing about community was how much the show hopped genres and styles
0 likes'Mr Poopybutthole is a MORTY' is peak discourse
0 likesBoondocks easily one the best Iâve ever watched
0 likesUnless specifically stated, assume each Rick you see in an episode is NOT C-137.
0 likesThe Vat of Acid Episode, the one where he obliterates a Universe out of petty spite for its creator... C-137 got teary over his memories of young Morty, and that just doesn't add up with a lot of what we see of 'Rick'.
You shouldn't assume, because you know what they say about those that assume
Hiring writers to be "diverse??" I was sympathetic about everything else but that's just stupid.
1 likeTo be honest you have to have a very high IQ to understand Emplemon's Humor
17 likesOh boy, wait until you watch season 5. I loved the character and show development up until now. But season 5 is just boring and awful.
0 likesme and my parents went to germany for 3 months as a test and while i was in school there some kid wore rick and morty merch and shouted wubba lubba dub dub very often, even tho i love rick and morty that was cringe as hell.
0 likesChrist, that long ago? I had just graduated high school and can definitely remember how many times I watched futurama rerruns for no reason đ
0 likesBro the show was so fucking good and still is nothing changes when you have no idea about the fandom, same with every show movie or book. If you donât know what the fandom looks like the show is awesome, I carry this from a lot of animeâs like mha or jojos bizarre adventures the shows are awesome but when you see how cringey and how crazy obsessive and controlling the fandom for both shows are you see that show at a lesser point of view then when youâd never seen the fandom
0 likesI'm incredibly nostalgic for the 2000s adult swim shows. I used to love shows like The Brak Show, Sealab 2021, and Xavier: Renegade Angel
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I still use the phrase "the strength of 10 gorillas!"
0 likesXRA is amazing
3 likesReal homies remember staying up late after Family Guy and American Dad to watch the weird shit
1 likeI hated all three of those shows.. Just weren't funny to me.
0 likesI think Season 5 fixed a lot of the problems. Why is Rick the smartest man in the universe? Because he engineered it that way. He and his multiverse of selves have separated a group of universes from the rest of the multiverse: the group of universes where he IS the smartest man in the universe. It's achieved in one of two ways. Either he exists in that universe and is the smartest man in the universe, or no sentient beings exist in that universe (the butt dimension, the blender dimension, etc.) and he becomes the smartest man in that universe just by visiting it. The portal guns are programmed to only go to this group of universes, and not outside them. We DO see rare glimpses outside the CFC, like Simple Rick and Dumb Rick, but what are they used for? Exploitation. Rick will only step outside his comfort zone for the purposes of exploitation of others, even if those others are versions of himself. A Morty escaping the bounds of the CFC is a step into breaking the multiverse wide open.
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nice spoilers
1 like@Chronotone Thanks!
0 likesAnd now it's so wildly inconsistent I just can't watch it
0 likesWow this video has aged badly.
0 likesItâs intrinsically linked to exactly what itâs criticising. This is literally the shit the fandom complains about, so youâre making a video about being a part of the problemâŠ
I donât get the hate for the show dropping obscure references. Itâs entertainment, itâs a joke, stop taking shit so fucking seriously.
A charm of Rick and Morty is it's potential to unlimited depth. Though humans' emotion patterns are kinda just paradeep, making the emotional depth to Rick paradeep, being part of humanity. Though still unreachable in intelligence, dealing with crippling depression is something some people relate to. Putting a stop to Rick's inner struggle with simple psychology / behavioural science / whatever would probably trim the audience a slice thinner.
0 likesThat would actually be a benevolent way to end the show đ€
26:20 "any anime ever" lmaoo
2 likesRick and Morty is pretty funny but once you meet some âhugeâ fans it has almost ruined the show for me. That one video of the guy at the McDonalds freaking out over that suzchan sauce for clout is peak cringe I wish I could forget ever seeing.
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I feel flat out embarrassed to say I love the show, and this is coming from someone who's watched it since it's premiere.
7 likesIm pretty sure that vid was staged
15 likesI liked it until it came out that the creators made fake/drew child porn and rape scenes with dolls. Lost all respect for the show and creators after that
5 likes@pomf pomf Wait what?
2 likesDared Rogers
2 likesI know both Justin Roiland and Dan Harmon have worked on some really NSFW stuff before, but that one I havenât heard before.
@pomf pomf source?
1 likeArizona Ranger Literally just look up âDan Harmon Child Rape Dollâ and Justin Roland âBarron Trump NSFWâ and you should get some hits.
0 likespomf pomf ya name and reply doesnât go together well.
3 likesDiadomergaming555 unless every single person there was in on it, it doesnât rly matter
1 likebill cipher is an example of over powered done right perfection is relative therefor the concept of a marry sue can be applyed justly in this current case then yeah
0 likesI still enjoy season 3 and 4 but season 1 and 2 have better quality
0 likesJust Realized the title was a Kendrick Lamar reference this vid is now EVEN BETTER for me (good kid m.A.A.d city one of the best albums of all time)
1 likeholy shit, what the fuck was that ad
0 likesthat was honestly the best ad i've seen in a while
Adult swim is a playground of artistc expression until tim heidecker doesn't like your show
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MDE never dies my friend
23 likesIt was Adult Swim's parent company Turner broadcasting that ordered the show be cancelled not Tim, Adult Swim or anyone else. Tim has connections but he doesn't have the power to cancel shows at random because he had a popular show on the network
5 likes@Tanner Lindberg What's WP
1 likeBo
1 likelooks at Moral Oral
Yeah...
Jonas Aschenbrenner we just want world peace
4 likes@the goose it ain't about peace in the middle east, it's about world peace my dude
3 likesđŹ
1 like@TimBREAKRADIO Million Dollar Extreme Presents: World Peace. Don't know why he would shorten it to WP when everyone recognizes it as MDE.
0 likes@Sean Payton Thank you!
0 likesTheres a lot wrong with the second half of this video, too many assumptions, not enough critical thinking
0 likesIf a show doesn't entertain me fails to make me laugh and bunch of others things... That is bad. but, if a show does complete opposite than it's good in my book. Yet, it's really bad to many others.... All has to remember that shows now a days has no plot, continuity, development and so on. But ,if done right, some how it has us hooked for more, that's just plain luck so much so it's really dumb how lucky something become so addicting that it really F@#$s our minds has those go completely nuts over Shas wan sauce...LOL sad...
0 likesWhoâs here after season 5 premier?
4 likesWell done
0 likesâWait you cant just destroy rickâs character, it would ruin the meaning of the show !!!â
91 likeshahaha pickle go riiiiiick
Great video :)
0 likesThere will never ever be a game like Counter Strike
1 like26:15 this is exactly how I feel about mha
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Agree. That cult will defend anything. Even the greediness which they are pulling now for movies, changing the arcs
0 likesDid they seriously just turn Rick and Morty into a Family Guy cloneâŠ. What. The. Actual. Fuck. đĄ
0 likesSo now Rick is pretty much just Peter Griffin, except more lame because stooped to that level⊠the fuck dude
Ricks inner conflict is basically Nihilism and Narcissism.
0 likesWell the first 2 seasons were good anyway
0 likesThe meta humor was probably what ruined the series (though Never Ricking Morty is a different story). LS mark made a video about that.
0 likesi successfully stopped watching when the show was awesome,
0 likesso it got to die a hero to me.
i wish i'd quit watching 'battlestar galactica' or 'game of thrones' earlier.
i enjoyed pickle rick, but but that was where i stopped watching.
"To be fair, you have to have a very low follicle count to be a nihilist" ROFL
112 likesI think the first 3 seasons were the best. Season 4 and 5 are just random shit
1 likeMost people love R&M, the hate for it was created by it's popularity which spawned a lot of fanboys. The sezchuan sauce thing, the pickle rick thing, it was everywhere and just like anything popular, it garnered haters.
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I can understand people disliking something from overexposure alone.
2 likes25:10 "Welcome to a fandom where the media you consume is part of your identity."
0 likesI love that its all k-pop stans lol
25:50
0 likesThat has got to be the single dumbest thing I've ever read
When a Show acknowledges the toxicity of its fandom you know it has become a meme.
7 likesBest show to watch while high af of all time (Seasons 1 and 2)
0 likesIt is pretty funny how everyone who isnât a scientist, really dosnt even have a slight grasp on science and the theory, laws, etc. me being one of them, but believe it all to be 100% fact like a religion. yet most just have this fallacy were if theyâll just except something like evolution for example but donât understand the concept within that, or how stuff like DNA even came to be and how that happened, as just random happenstance accepting it with blind faith because school told them so, and some scientist said this happens or happened. On blind faith alone that where the information is coming from is true or even correct at all(much like how people rely on priest to make the allegories more digestible.
0 likesMuch like someone believing intelligent design or some hand of God making it possible. Like did any of us do any experiments ourselves to verify if what were all taught or told is in fact true? No, most likely not. I know I didnât. Science and peoples attitudes towards it have become pretty dogmatic about. Its even got blasphemies and heresies. It gotten pretty fucking wild, and perhaps WAY overboard. At the same time I couldnât careless how we got here today. All I care about is where fuck are we going. Cause so far, itâs probably not anywhere good.
I donât get the whole âfunniest shit Iâve ever seenâ thing. Was that shown in the show? Or was it a dumb meme?
1 likeIdk bro, maybe Rick needs some keeps...
0 likes"Attack the establishment"
45 likesBut also completely bend to political correctness and diversity, this isn't avante-garde, it's perfectly conformist.
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Exactly. These pseudo intellectuals use their superficial level of understanding of philosophy (which seems to always go straight to nihilism) only as a front to make themselves feel superior. Just so they can spew their political nonsense with little to no self critical eye.
19 likesYeah Rick is a total nihilist from having knowledge that there are infinite universes with infinite possibilities. But also he really hates nazis and fascists for no stated reason and knows about gamergate
14 likes@Mr. Rick does doesn't hate people of different races nor does he endorse fascism so why is his hatred of Nazis so out of the ordinary for you
5 likes@High Council Why would he care? He doesn't seem to care about anything else. He didn't care about turning his entire home planet into a Cronenberg nightmare. That's what being a nihilist is. It's more than a little disingenuous to consider yourself a super cool edgy nihilst but also to be wrapped up in this extremely narrow fashionable PC non-offensive non-risk taking political mindset. Like "oh yeah I'm a nihilist and I don't care if my loved ones die and all of humanity goes extinct because there are infinite universes but if you hold the wrong political views I will be seething with rage because of how much I care"
19 likesDon't you think that's a little specific to not simply be the beliefs of the writers spilling over into the show?
Oof rightards got moody their little fictional character doesn't mirror them
2 likes@Mr. Rick isn't a nihilist, he pretends to be because he's emotionally fragile
5 likes@Mr. Rick likes people of all Races including aliens Nazis don't mesh well of his anti-government belief systems either
1 likeyou probably think you're very avant-garde, hating on diversity and PC, thats really attacking the establishment lmao
4 likes@S V yeah, pretty obvious when pretty much every corporation parrots your talking points
6 likesI feel like your season 3 analysis is missing the point of the shows internal struggle against serialization
0 likesNice kendrick lamar reference
4 likesThat title can apply to multiple games/shows and their fandoms
0 likes26:21 ok now saying "any anime ever" just mean you never really got deep into it
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Lmao you just proved his point.
1 like@Matt Ray dont you think its ignorance from his side to just say "any anime ever" ? like you cant judge a entire tipe of media simple as that
0 likes"what is rick and morty about"
826 likesabout rick and morty duh
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I thought exactly the same LMAO
13 likes@Dolphin Kick it's about Roiland selling his soul
3 likesSam hyde Charles Carroll Nick Rochefort in world Peace adult Swim million Dollar Extreme
0 likesno, seriously, it's a character study of two people over the course of years
2 likesand their family
and the world
Was your guyâs first thought seriously not âfamilyâ ?
1 like@4of92000 that's Family Guy
0 likes@Piesiege that's all of them
0 likesWho else thought this was gonna be a Kendrick Lamar Rick and morty mashup
1 likeHere's a summary of this video:
0 likesAn former fan did not like how the show progressed.
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I read this a Rick's voice XD it sounds so Canon lmfao
0 likes"OK, what will be the thematic thread that ties this episode of EmpLemon together?"
0 likes"Ok get this: shitting on Film Theory"
These might be some of the worst hot takes I've heard about this show lmao
0 likesRick and Morty is about Rick getting the Szechuan Sauce
0 likesthat basketball and seinfeld instrumental at 23:37 goes craaaaazy
0 likesImo every season has been good. They still got it. Season 5 is kicking ass.
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Yeah especially the ending
0 likesI just watch it to laught, tahts it. Sometiems they got a good point too.
0 likesI remember I started watching the show when everyone was talking about pickle Rick, so I started with the first seasons, and by the time I got to the pickle Rick episode I was so confused why everyone was so excited. I'm glad I watched the show and I still enjoy it, but the fandom just gave me the wrong impression. It seemed like a light hearted comedy on the surface, but I was surprised to find much more than that. This video sums it all up great.
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I was already a massive fan before Pickle Rick, I liked that it was getting so popular but at the same time I thought some of these people were missing the point.
2 likesbifurcation means to divide into two parts. I'd say media was more than bifurcated by the internet lol
0 likes2:15 cries in million dollar extreme
1 likeBro you should just write the show at this point
0 likesWhen I saw like sauce,IQ thing and other stuff,I felt bad for being a fan,but didn't care about it
0 likesThere are 2 types of fans of anything
1st.Normal fans that watch the show and enjoy it(like me)
2nd.Crazy ones like in this video
I just want you to know, I will never ever miss an upload. Every single video you create is gold.
45 likesAt this point, more people are hating on the toxic fandom more than the fandom is even being toxic.
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Cap
0 likesWell for me, it's the McChicken
0 likesI am really concerned as to where SE6 is going to be honest.
0 likesIf it does not go back to its original roots Im afraid I won't have any reason to watch the show anymore as SE4 was bad already and SE5 was even worse than that.
weatherscan music is LEGIT LIT so good legit
0 likesI watched the new episodes and I can confidently say that they are trying too hard they found one thing meta jokes and they worked but thatâs one joke and now with the combination of them running out of ideas and the fandom trying so hard to like the show even tho they are tired of i themselfs just corroding the show itself within its own group and beyond so yea thatâs it rick and morty is shit now although got some occasional small jokes such as the sex sea man guy although that died really fast
0 likesAnyway if you wanna complain I probably wonât listen to your opinion but I have to say this
Rick and morty fans arenât smart they have massive egos although look like angry children laughing over the concept of a poop ice cream I admit I laughed at it too ... itâs kinda funny but you get the point
Anyway if your looking to turn ur life around watch some jojo put some hair on ur chest unless ur a girl then suplex a pig so hard it explodes then shout ZA WARUDO
I hope stuff like this doesnât happen to smiling friends
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Ong
1 likeSmiling friends sucks
0 likesFuckin love the title
2 likesseasons 4 and 5 are really good
0 likesThis video is like a luau at Jerry Smith's house.
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"Captain, they are a strange alien race who find Adam Sandler funny."
60 likesNote to self, never go to sky willians house for a "smash bros" party
66 likesNote to self: Never play musical chairs at Dionysius the Younger's house.
26 likes"Note to self, never let your children be babysat at Kevin Spacey's house."
32 likesThis is like losing your gloves at O.Jâs house.
30 likesThis thread is like a Gex Reference on a videogamedunkey video
27 likesI read that in Gexâs voice
2 likes@QueuedJar yes
2 likesThis reminds me of the time Dunkey beat Sky in smash.
6 likesThis is like discussing Nihilism at EmpLemonâs house.
2 likesWrong channel
0 likesthat feel when I actually somehow (no idea how it ended up in my possession as a 10 year old kid) owned Gex for the n64 when I was a kid and can vividly remember all of the lines and levels and music and frustrating parts
0 likesI don't remember it being terrible actually, more that there were mildly fun parts dotted about with a bunch of meandering mediocrity between them that I guess Gex's one liners were supposed to fill the empty space with
The space level fucking sucked though, you had to keep running to these oxygen stations so it felt really constricted. Especially since earlier there's a titanic level where you have no such air meter while you're underwater for minutes at a time.
Roiland sold out
0 likesA show is at it's best when the fans work off the show
0 likesAnd its worst when the show works off its fans
I dressed as rick for Halloween and someone called me the guy from fortnite there is now one missing kid in my town
1 likeIâve watched a few Rick and morty episodes, but like futurism a lot better
0 likes3:00 that is one of the best Super Mario Odyssey Themes
3 likesRemember when EmpLemon went into a McDonald's dressed up as Pickle Rick and asked for schezwan sauce?
197 likese: i'm referring to the wheel of punishment https://youtu.be/JUbvx8nOS2U?t=236
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Good times
8 likesTHE WHEEL OF PUNISHMENT!
4 likesFunniest shit Iâve ever seen
4 likesI didnt even know that was emp until now
0 likesLink?
0 likeshttps://youtu.be/JUbvx8nOS2U
1 likeHere's the link to the reupload (I don't know why it was originally deleted) of the Wheel of Punishment. The first Spin lands on the EmpLemon punishment in which Emp has to do whatever the next spin says (even though he isn't participating in the game.)
dont judge me but i personally like pickle rick.
1 likehaha pickle man go brrrrrrrr
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it was good, and then the fandom went fucking insane with it
0 likesI don't think the therapists words were supposed to be taken that way
0 likesAlso the body augmentations are brought up all the time
That and ricks action and accountability was only the way you described for like 4 episodes.
Taht and half of what you said is purly opinionated.
I mean honestly you review of how season 3 played out was extreamly half written and doesn't seem like you actually watched it
âitâs a psychiatric disorder I just inventedââ
0 likesI think we might have the same music taste
0 likesI like how Rick is supposed to be an atheist despite litterally fueding with the devil and fighting Zues
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Btw the fact that God exists in Rick and Morty would mean that there is some kind of meaning in the R&M universe and nihilism is objectively bullshit
25 likesRick believes in vampires and they fight one.
2 likesZeus only proves that there is no god
1 like@Rick Vasconcelos I've met plenty of atheists who would happily say that. It's almost charming at times, for all the wrong reasons.
3 likes@Rick Vasconcelos Being an atheist doesnât âchange your programmingâ magically so that any mention of god(s) existing is removed from your speech, Theyâre common phrases to say either way, I still say âFuck you, Godâ, âGod damn itâ, âBy the Godsâ, âWhat in Godâs nameâ and âOh my Godâ plenty of times even after my strong disbelief in any form of a supreme being(s) or entity(ies).
4 likesAn atheist would say it without a care in the world, while believers of a supreme being might be more hesitant or even have to do a specific pray to correct their mistake for using the name of it ( I donât know about other religions, but I know this is the case for believers for Christianity, they have to say a quick pray to apologize for saying Godâs outside of pray or mention I think, for ex. saying âGod damn itâ after stubbing your toe)
@The Talking Stick and all of what you wrote don't say anything about the scene.
3 likesHe was praying for God until he save himself, so in the end he still believes but denied because Rick denies everything except science because science is the escapism of Rick's life, even his emotions Rick's denied.
@Rick Vasconcelos No, what I saw was someone accepting death, realizing they didnât have to die and trying to prevent it, which causes him to panic and desperation that then leads to becoming irrational and you survival instincts kicking in, something science has time and time proven to happen when in a stressful situation. What he did wasnât proof that he wasnât an atheist, itâs proof that he wasnât supposed to be âthe smartest man in the universeâ like he became.
4 likesMost human beings when near deathâs door donât exactly keep their integrity or values when they could forfeit them for survival. When youâre irrational and your instincts kick in, youâre gonna try everything you can think of to evade death, even if that means going against your values, people desperately trying to survive donât (funny enough) rationally think about their actions and how they could contradict their own values, because fuck your values, especially if you can substitute them temporarily for more time being alive.
On Rick and Morty multiverse it's not like our experience on universe(like you are trying to say), Dan Harmon can put a god(Zeus), a idea of Jesus(like the train episode) or YHWH to make a joke or a critical commentary of our society(like is what I am saying) but this will change how his characters will see his own lifes or his beliefs.
2 likes"which causes him to panic and desperation that then leads to becoming irrational and you survival instincts kicking in" So yeah, he believes in God in the end.
And he feels God/Jesus when he pray and see the collar but when he is safe, he dienies the Christian God. Look the scene again. Rick doesn't want to believe in anything because that will force him to face his emotions/demons. What is he to be a father? He is good at that? "There is no love, is all chemical", so when he try suicide after Unity was all chemical?
When Rick say something that can be nihilistic, Dan Harmon is try to say the opposite.
There will never be another game like PoE!!
0 likesseason 3 is the 2nd best season you are trippen my dude the first 2 seasons was to build up a character they really didn't commit to the family drama trope to you just grew out of it a little expecting to much
0 likesThere will never be a Anime like Dragon Ball.
0 likesI like the show i think itâs funny
0 likesMy WiFi cut out right as emp said âsomething went very, very wrongâ
158 likesI got the Kendrik Lamar reference in the title, i'm smart
0 likesThis is like my 3rd time watching this video lmao
0 likesNihilism is just a form of defense mechanism.
0 likesthe background music in this was great!
0 likesVirgin Youtubers: makes boring ads about mobile games and electronic devices
194 likesChad EmpLemon: 15:02
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@TapDat52K ikr I need to know
2 likesThis show died way to mainstream now
0 likesThe music stops in this vid are killin me, Gorillaz, OG AS theme, The Real Jims, and a song Pan Pizza uses every vid. Dead. Great video!!
1 likeI can't stop thinking about how Rick and Morty represented discontent fans as an actual nazi
0 likesWait, Rick and Morty made fans angels on angel dust?
0 likesMan, it's really sad when you see a great show go down with your eyes.
37 likesThey need to pull Dan and Justin back into writers room.
Don't let new writer become incharge of whole episodes (they need to observe)
And stop doing fan service
fandom is too edgy
1 likeVideo title changed M.A.D. to m.A.A.d.
1 likeBro itâs been a year and I just now realized the title is a reference to good kid mad city
0 likessoooo now that season 5 came out what do you people think about it?
1 likeThis is just... so well done. I have never looked at it this way yet always knew that series 3 was just lacking but didnât know why
8 likesCartoon Network had the biggest variety on single channel at one point 6am-7am the shows that'd appeal to a wider audience though mainly the younger kids would air about 5pm-7pm toonami which had shows for audiences more mature but still in early teen years the adult swim which of course I don't need to say
0 likespickle rick is the REAL gas leak year.
0 likesa year later and I finally got the Kendrick reference
0 likes27:50 oh shit yeah, itâs taco night tonight:)
0 likesHearing rick say reddit physically hurt me
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Wholesome 100 elon musk keanu chungus
7 likes3:11, 5:42, That "A" though
0 likesI'm back to this video 11 months after seeing it Season 5 is here do you like it so far?
0 likesI totally noticed that Tom Scott song!
1 likeSummer nights is a masterpiece of a song
0 likesEmp: "rick and morty is a unique show"
132 likesXavier, Renegade Angel: "Fate. Destiny. Fatestinatey. People toss those words around like tennis balls. Well, I eat balls for breakfast."
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My brain feels like it's mush after watching Xavier. Xavier Renegade angel is something that things should be measured against, its a rare oddity.
12 likes@rorrim0 XRA is a fever dream
2 likes@Dave Chrome To me it isn't so much a fever dream. XRA I'd say is more like, trying to reach enlightenment looking at motivational posters, while not stopping until you reach said enlightenment, while downing as much caffeine as humanely possible until you can vaguely make out the visage of what seems to be god, and then you realize no human was probably meant to see what you just saw, then your hurled through hell and come back at square one not exactly remember what you just did.
8 likesrorrim0 acid
0 likesXRA is a certified banger if havenât watched it yet go do
4 likes@rorrim0 And people call Rick and morty fans pretentious.
6 likes@Quirno Dunno how I'm being pretentious?
3 likesXRA is way more complex than R&M, but in a psychedelic/brain exhausting way
1 likeXavier is both the most idiotic yet smartest written show you will ever watch
0 likes@rorrim0 is there a video of that quote
0 likes@Shadow111111 What Quote.
0 likesi just like the funny jokes
0 likesDamn he just called me out 6:43
0 likesJerry's erectile dysfunction, sponsored by Hims.
0 likespeople still hate on anime let that sink in
1 likeAlways rememebr kids: The difference between a downwards spiral and a GIGA DRILL BREAKER is a matter of perspective
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Hey Ya
0 likesmemes giveth memes taketh, disdain for rick and morty started with that idiot Szechwan sauce kid in McDonalds. literally that one kid made people hate rick n morty. not me though i wasn't gonna let some edgy kid ruin this great animation.
0 likesthis video is amazing
0 likesI call this the Rick and morty effect
0 likesThat season 5 premiere tho
0 likesDamn, Emp REALLY doesnât like MatPat lmao.
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HAHA his content its pretty cringy and memeable but mostly target kids and big audiences that's why I have a softspot. Also Mattpatt it's pretty chill.
62 likesHe's not alone. Matpat's content was at least mildly entertaining many years ago, now all he makes is clickbait and FNAF videos. He also has an ego the size of a star going supernova and throws a tantrum like a child over any kind of criticism.
59 likeswho actually likes him anymore?
24 likesWhy should he? His content has turned terrible. He just makes shit up and calls it canon, then says funny meme phrase.
13 likesMcheetah okay dude. ,:|
3 likes@Giorno Giovanna the 2th Giorno, I was over-exaggerating or being hyperbolic as some say, that should have been obvious. I was making a point that a large deal of his "theory" videos are about FNAF specifically. This is literally English 101 my dude. Imbelishing a little bit can help drive a point across. I will not fight you on the actual statistics, that would be foolish, I had to be hyperbolic to more easily get a point across.
5 likes@Brody Imlay  Oi! We have the same profile picture!
2 likesAlso matpat's game content is definitely down the drain, some of his film theory stuff is okayish, but it's been years since I've actively followed his stuff.
People saying his contents changed, it hasnât really changed at all thatâs the problem people have, heâs kept his target demographic not his audience, nothing wrong with that, I loved his vids when I was 13/14, now Iâm 19 I donât really care
2 likesTo like MatPat is to like Behind The Meme or Watch Mojo, bland, rushed content that is pumped out en-mass for kids. You are purposely sacrificing quality for quantity, when this website has enough quality content to go around.
2 likesIt's not just that his content is bad. He also steals bits and ideas from other people without crediting them at all.
0 likesHe literally gets attacked when he doesn't make FNAF video what do y'all wantđđđđđđ jeez some are y'all are salty. Like yes his audience is children, there's nothing wrong with that and he's rich
1 likeDidn't it go off the rails when Toby Fox said his Undertale theory was wrong and he wouldn't let go?
0 likes@Samuel Katz No, that was FNAF. Unless he did it for Undertale as well...
0 likesWho does?
0 likes@Mcheetah As a gen z, please don't compare us to matpat stans.
0 likes@Mcheetah p l e a s e
1 likeWhy should he like Matpat? All Matpat does now is try to scrape money from half-assed "theories" he backs up with useless information, the only reason I'm subbed to him is because Austin is actually funny and stays true to what Game Theory was supposed to be, Austin deserves the fame, not the guy who recently made a channel called "Food Theory" so he could get income from 3 channels.
0 likesI still remember his god awful For Honor video.
0 likesTbh season 3 is probaly my favorit season
0 likesI DIDN'T REALIZE IT WAS A KEEPS AD ROLL
0 likesI expected a kendrick lamar reference
2 likesi hate when the show focuses on the family drama, and may not watch it again because it keeps going back to it
0 likesIf anybody tries to claim Rick and Morty âjumped the sharkâ with Pickle Rick, they obviously never watched Tales from the Citadel or The Vat of Acid Episode
14 likestalkin bout fandom i watch anime and when my friends catch me watching them they call me wierd
0 likesAll the episodes I like are from Season 3.
0 likesAll I can say is. . . well I don't know what to say, I can't decide between "ho hum" and "pull-EAZE" - I mean. . . what is wrong with you. . . I guess all I'm left with is your whole point, so you are a success: "I just don't think you get it, man."
0 likesOk this is epic
0 likesIâve turned into the future of humanity morty
281 likesIâm a DOWNWARD SPIRAL
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Saddest shit ever
1 likeHe turns himself into a downward spiral, Morty, saddest shit I've ever seen.
3 likes@Ho Chi Meme unsubscribed? Wdym are you worshipping r&m?
0 likeswhen you look to deep
0 likesI liked the title. Great vid. 11 sandwiches/9 hot dogs
0 likes23:38 nice transition
0 likesThank you for the Kendrick reference
1 likeBruh, you were able to turn the âMAADâ thingâa nice title referenceâinto a legit DSM diagnosis. Well done
9 likes0:39 debaser kinda works here
0 likesYou should make a vid on Stargate there's a lot to breakdown there on and off screen
0 likesMusic at 9:55 makin me want to walk across a country in a straight line.
0 likesDid I just hear a Geowizard song? Hell yeah
0 likesI love the use of Gran Tourismo music
1 likeIt took me so long to release the title is a play in good Kid m.A.A.d city
1 likeThe fans messed it up
0 likesSolidarity has an evolutionary advantage. It isn't smarter to be extremely selfish.
0 likeswow that's the coolest ads I have ever seen on YouTube.
1 like5:25 Ayy it's Schaff. Wow, it's before his channel really blew up
1 likeSince Kendrick Lamar is my favorite artist this is one of the best YouTube titles of all time
0 likesGood video!
0 likesSmall Brain: Rick and Morty Lore
132 likesBig Brain: EmpLemon Evolutionary Lore
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Oh you want some Emplemon Lore? The clip at around 16:47 is from an old EmpLemon YTP collab
1 like@Mister G Rool to be fair you need to have a fairly high IQ to understand Emplemon
4 likesFinal space and Solar opposites are much better sci fi adult cartoons now than rick and morty.
0 likesive never met anyone who doesnt like rick and morty
1 likeSo basically, Adult Swim is the television Newgrounds?
0 likesPeople hate Rick and Morty?
1 likeI had this chat recently, I always thought the big loss for Rick and Morty in it's later was it's humour, a lot of the jokes of season 1/2 do not at all resemble the jokes of season 3 (didn't watch season 4) despite having a lick of paint given to try and make it look similar.
37 likesLike the good jokes in season 1/2 were always v relatable things at their base, ants in my eyes Johnson wasn't funny because he had ants in his eyes, he was funny because he was clear parody of late night infomercials and their frantic speech, there are numerous examples of moments in season 1/2 where the joke is funny because they use something silly to revert you away from the actual joke, to which the punchline was quite relatable.
Post the writers strike in season 3 the humour is the only thing in the show that feels palpably different. for example in the pickle Rick episode there's a hint of relatable humour where Rick turns himself into a pickle to get out of therapy, the avoidance of your problems and therapy could potentially be a funny theme of an episode, but it becomes clear that's not the direction they wanted the joke to take, the episode seemingly drops it in favor of "it's funny because he has to deal with things and he's a pickle". It dropped the actual base of the joke and instead became a shallow gag that lasts a whole episode. It loses all relatability and as a result loses why it was funny in the first place. The humour is what took the hit in the last 2 seasons imo because of this drop of these kinds of punchlines
I also think even the fans know that the humour has dropped significantly, because I have never seen a current Rick and Morty fan defend the humour of the show, they just say "you just don't get it", trying to act like the show was some visionary work of it's time and not some nonsense and pseudo science mixed with occasional good points.
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Jerry is funny in all seasons though. I feel they should use Rick for plot and Jerry for humor with occasionally switching it once every ten episodes.
2 likes@Spoon production I guess humour is subjective on that front, personally never found the Gerry moments to be particularly funny
2 likes@EvanPlaysPc i dunno the part with the wind where it goes loser is pretty damn funny
2 likesImo usually fandoms start becoming toxic, overly critical and self hating as soon as the shows become somewhat mainstream. Where in the beginning people who actually liked the show for what it is join just to talk about a show they like, as soon as mainstream audiences catch up on it they infiltrate the discussions for more lesser reasons e.g. not wanting to miss out on a hype, having a quick cash grab, seeking attention by intentionally offending anybody they can find or simply just hating what everybody else likes.
0 likesAny thoughts on that guys?
Ps: Spelling or grammar mistakes can be recycled or offered to Cthulhu, English isn't my first language.
Correct about the fandom, wrong about the show. "Pickle Rick" is an amazing episode. In fact, season three had some of my favorite episodes. I love the Mad Max episode and my absolute favorite is the vat of acid episode. Do you not remember the climax to "Pickle Rick" in the Russian guarded fortress area. That was an incredible scene. Whatever! I agree with some of what you said, but I do think that you may be just shitposting.
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That climactic Russian bit reminded me of the action In the Matrix films. I remember going "wow they did this brilliantly in a different way"
3 likesWas so happy for Dan and Justin when they won an Emmy for it. I guess it's safe to say I'm the opposite of nihlistic
Yuck.
1 likeDon't compare Futurama to R & M.
12:34 that sign says fricking hot
0 likesJokes on you I dropped it at 2x1
0 likesFunniest shit i've ever seen.
1 likeGood video now go pay Kendrick Lamar for the title name. đ
0 likes9:53 THATS THE GEOWIZARD MUSIC
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AYOOOOO
1 likeI love his mission across___ series
0 likes@Jaden Auer his how not to travel europe series was so enjoyable to watch. excited for how not to travel america.
0 likesThe show is a metaphor for itself
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The darkness is a metaphor for darkness
0 likesreminds me of fans of tenet that insist you have to watch to movie twice to get it lol...
0 likesEmplemon is the storyteller of american consumer culture
0 likesThe first couple episodes of season 3 are great and the rest is kinda meh
1 likeThis is the only time i'll allow a "Most people just don't understand Rick and Morty"-comment slip
1 like"What happens when the fandom influences the show?" You get an annoying trench-coat clad angel, who completely outlived his purpose for the show by the end of the season he appeared in, but keeps being thrown at the show again and again, even though the showrunners have ran out of ideas of how to fit his in the show and now simply keep sticking him as a redundant plot tool, like a toddler trying to stitch a square form into a round hole, and when they finally say enough, and get rid of him, his crazy fans make so much noise on SM, that the showrunners capitulate and bring him back, which deteriorates the show to such an extent that it's no longer watchable, and most of the fandom that doesn't like the character or "ships" him with one of the main characters , simply stops watching. By the time the showrunners figure out that the character isn't as popular as they thought, and that vocal mob of fans on twitter with their dozens of sock accounts, makes only 10% of the show's fandom, it's already too late, so they're forced to keep him, since taking him hout atp would not only hurt their ratings, but could end up in them being accused of homophobia, because get this: his fans are only his fans because they "ship" him with one of the main characters, so basically they're actually fans of the make-believe relationship, and they keep pressing the creators to make them a couple, despite the main character being straight, so to keep the mom semi-content, the writers are forced to throw them bones in the form of fanservice which causes the main character behave in a OOC manner and further ruining the show. Basically, those fools ruined a good show for the sake of a small minority of gay-fitishizing weirdos, who aren't even fans of the show since they themselves admit that they only watch it for the "ship" and the angel character, which is why most of them didn't even watch the first few seasons before he made his first appearance.
50 likesBtw, the show's called Supernatural, it's a guilty pleasure of mine that I'm ashamed to admit of liking because of how corny it is, and because of the destiel (non existent ship between the angel and a main character) fandom, which everyone outside of the fandom associates any fan of the show with, due to how loud they are.
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Yeah, I hate to admit that l liked Supernatural too. Should have ended after the 5th season though.
6 likesI love Castiel, and I think the issue was not him being pointless but he was used as a punchline rather than the powerful angel he once was because it makes the fans that are most active happy, but thats just my opinion on the issue. Also, i hate when people skip into season 4 because they don't want to watch without Castiel, I don't get it!
1 like@Harold Balzac Exactly how I see it. Maaaybe season 6 for fans who couldn't get enough of the show, but season 7 and onward is like a crappy fanfiction of the original 5 seasons.
3 likesI didn't realize it was the add for so long
0 likes[ Any anime ever ]
2 likesThat was a good one
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Take the SOA fandom out and your right, even though the show is trash and very much a beginner anime which is probally why its so not toxic or maybe i just dont know anything about the soa fandom idk
0 likes@A quite tired guy yup. I enjoy JJBA, but ever since part 3 or part 4 Got anime adaptation, normies (Like me) decided to make memes out of it. Memes allowed fedora type of normies to make fun out of People who don't know it and type unfunny jokes.
0 likes@marko 2001 as a jojo fan i went through a annoying jjba phase, but i still dont want to think that i made fun of people for not watching it or not knowing it, i made fun of people who said it was good or bad without watching the show
0 likesSeason 5 so far has really delivered in episodes.
0 likesso far, it includes multiple lore related episodes that are absolute bangers
Bro the Gex Camino đ
1 likeManic Anti-hero Attachment Disorder, I'll have to remember that one. You can tell a lot about a person by what kinds of people they admire and why.
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and if they admire rick you run
8 likesThought it was "My angels on angel dust".
3 likesNot necessarily. I can't help but admire Revy from Black Lagoon even though I certainly don't want to be a murdering bitch. Sometimes, an anti-hero or even just a downright villain can be attractive because they still have traits that we deeply desire for ourselves. In this, or should I say, my case, Revy oozes both confidence, independence, and power. Nothing fazes her. Not even some Terminator girl. She doesn't play any bullshit games and she doesn't have anyone else do her dirty work for her. She's like a demoness, emphasizing awful traits, yes, but also traits that I both deeply and selfishly want.
3 likes@James F You are probably right about the glorification of sociopaths, even if it may not necessarily be intentional. Some of these characters DO have admirable personality traits apart from the bad ones though and that's what it is.
0 likesrick and morty was like that cloud girlthat was dating mordecai
0 likesHonestly the fanbase really put my off
0 likes6:25 Bethâs left hand
1 likeYou were a kid in high school in 2013âŠ.*sigh* âŠway to make me feel old bro.
0 likesIâve never watched this show, but I do respect all of the fleshy abominations itâs got. Iâm always a sucker for those.
6 likesGreat video
0 likes24:55 Peter griffin lmao
0 likesalthough its a bit more of a mess, i like the disenchantment series on netflix better than rick and morty. It was made by the same person who made futurama and the simpsons, and is quite good.
1 likeseason 5 first few episodes are good but it is going down fast
0 likesmakin lil jabs at film theory, i like that
0 likesRick is a bit of a mary sue
1 likePlease no more criticism.. I still want more R&M đ© .
0 likesWho the fuck idolizes Eric Cartman!?
0 likesI thought Pickle Rick was a brilliant episode, unfortunately everyone else thought so too and it became an annoying meme
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Aye, it was funny, what more do people want
5 likesI actually really liked the therapist scene. It was satisfying because itâs exactly what I had wanted to yell at the people blindly idolizing Rick like they do Tyler durden or bojack horseman
7 likesWell, to be fair, you do have to have a very high IQ...
1 likeBlake yeah, I agree. It was the only decent part of the episode, really.
2 likesI love your matpat parody so much
0 likesWhy canât people just watch the show and either enjoy it or not
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Why do you care.
1 likeIf you want the true predecessor to what rick and morty is, it is hitchhikers guide to the galaxy.
0 likesNice Kendrick Lamar reference good kid m.a.a.d city is my favorite album
1 likeI still like the show. But I can't really argue with a video as well-written as this one.
17 likes9:47, hold on, i recognise that song
0 likesSo basically game theory ruined the show lol
0 likesReally Futurama âOne of the greatest episodic comedy of all time.â
0 likesEveryone is entitled to their opinion but bloody hell thatâs one of the dumbest things Iâve ever seen. âOne of the greatest episodic comedy of all timeâ is a bloody big stance to take in the first placeâ but pertaining to that fucking show is really one of the worst stands Iâve heard in such a long time.
Again, everyone is entitled to their opinion but mate, oeft.
solar opposites is pretty great
0 likesI was the only one of my friends who didnât smoke weed, and I was the only one that didnât really like R&M. It seemed like Futurama for nihilist pot-heads to me đ
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I havenât seen much of Rick and Morty. But it does look like a trippier Futurama lol.
1 likeWorst part about Rick and Morty... literally half the ppl I talk to about the show don't understand half of the references or where the original idea comes from... they just talk meseeks and pickles... sucks
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19:00 this exact reason it what makes old star wars so likeable. They always seem vulnerable and just barely make it out alive with witty thinking. When the vulnerability and wit disappear... you have the new Star wars movies that mostly suck.. lol
1 like23:30 to 31:33 Don't mind me, needing a personal timestamp
0 likesAlso RWBY, ESPECIALLY post vol 3 or 4.
I thought that mid commercial plug was like an analysis of some youtuber hype spinning some product in a weird tangent. Well I guess it still was but it was meant to be ironic?
0 likesSheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesh.
You know an adult swim show thatâs REALLY good? Metalocalypse. Sucks it got cancelled, but hey, at least it was still good before it got cancelled
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I'm still holding out hope that they finally get to conclude the show. so many cliffhangers
1 likeMetalocalypse was too good for this world
2 likesIt didnât help that It left with one hell of a cliffhanger.
1 likeanother great adult swim show is also venture bros which recently and sadly got canned while working on its 18th season :/
1 likeSame could be said about the Venture Bros. Although thankfully, there's still hope. There's apparently been talks of getting the show continued on HBO.
1 likeI come here for knowledge and of course the Gran Turismo 4 soundtrack.
0 likesthis is a bit to long i watched the first 5 minutes and it felt like a while and turns out that was just the intro
0 likesLet's get you to a million!
0 likes32:22 well experimental it is...
0 likesIâm pretty sure McDonaldâs employees start getting violent Vietnam flashbacks anytime somebody mentions Szechuan sauce
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Nah. That incident made 75% of the workforce turn over
1 likeThe pickle ree guy was a troll.
1 likeWell this didnt age well. New episodes just came out, and I'm confident it's going to go straight back to the top. Once they get a consistent schedule down, it will be the best show on tv again... o and the vat of acid episode is the best of the entire series and that was at the end of the last season soo...
2 likes12:53
0 likesthe Universe talking to me.
most out of pocket ad
0 likesThe Kendrick reference tho
0 likesThis is an excellent summation of the show. I adore both Futurama and R&M but rewatching them both recently I realized personally why Futurama will always be goat. It's bc in the end it's an optimistic show about the relationships we have and build.
16 likesThe show is hilarious and brilliant often but it's the emotionally resonent moments (e.g Jurassic Bark, The Late Phillip J Fry, Meanwhile, etc) that I always remember most. And since it's more grounded it feels more relatable. R&M sometimes comes across as a bit juvenile in its angst and philosophies. It can also be brilliant in its comedy but I never found it's ideology anything but meh.
They both use Sci fi to point out the absurdity of existence and relationships, but while R&M is the fedora wearing college kid mad at you caring about things, Futurama is the goofy dad who ultimately wants everyone to have a good time and be happy with his family.
And like you touched upon how R&M lost a lot of the characterization that worked in the first 2 seasons, the Futurama crew not only kept what made the characters great throughout the entire run, but had a lot of heartfelt and we'll deserved character progression. I don't think any series had a finale as perfectly built up to like it did that way.
For as stupid and goofy Futurama can be it feels way more like an adult show than R&M is and as an adult myself I just find it way more endearing while cracking me up, while I mostly watch R&M for the laughs.
Micro dosing Rick and morty clips for mental aquity
0 likesHearing that music Rebel Taxi always used gave me whiplash
0 likesWhat is the music playing around 21 min in? It sounds so familiar!
0 likesAm I the only one who has never seen Rick & Morty? Or has had zero desire ever to see Rick & Morty? Or has always thought âfuck Rick & Mortyâ, despite never seeing even a single scene of it, because years ago within a 6-12 month time span every stoner and friend with a sense of humor/taste in entertainment you do not trust whatsoever felt the need to ask you âdude!.. have you seen Rick & Morty!?..you havenât seen Rick & Morty!?. you gotta see Rick & Morty!.. funniest fucking show ever made!.. seriously, you gotta see Rick & Morty!â..
1 likeI REPEAT NOW MORE THAN EVER: FUCK RICK & MORTY!
Whenever Emplemon uploads, you've just gotta set aside some time and kick back for a bit. Each one is like its own passion project, and it's worth every minute.
4 likesI like hearing geo wizards music around
0 likesi think the show is perfect
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oh yeah
0 likesoh yeah
0 likesI loved pickle rick because all the m.a.a.d. fans lost their shit
0 likesMad angry awful damn fandom.
1 likeIf we're being honest here, Community is Dan Harmon's better show
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Preach
3 likesAmen brother
2 likesWell, up to season 4 anyway
6 likesMasterOfKnowledge Ehh 5 & 6 were good too
5 likesThe shows are shockingly similar at their cores: Centered around an egotistical protagonist with a God-complex and showing the danger of said mindset. And a dysfunctional family. Difference is Communityâs messages are a lot more direct and straightforward. And I think the show is stronger as a result. I mean, the show is also way funnier and handles meta jokes with aplomb whiles R&M pees the bed every time it tries to tell a meta joke.
8 likesMasterOfKnowledge Someone else directed season 4
1 likepure facts
0 likes@MasterOfKnowledge I mean, in a vacuum yeah, but considering the background to seasons 5 and 6 I can't fault them too much, but yeah, seasons 1-3 are the shit
1 like@Tom I enjoyed 1-4 way more
1 likeSeason 1-3 maybe yeah
0 likesIf I remember, he was super aggressive with the staff and it was part of the reason they let him go for Season 4. I never really credit all his good shows to just him, since you gotta remember the Russo broâs were writers for Community to, but Season 4 showed how much impact Harmon had
1 likeAgreed
0 likes@MrDrunkUK Don't get me wrong, I liked season 4, but it was just forgettable to me. Not to mention I wasn't even aware there was a season 6, this whole time I thought 5 was the one Yahoo did haha. But yeah, I agree that seasons 1-3 were the prime of that show
1 likeHell yeah
0 likesThanks for the Kendrick Lamar reference on the title
1 likeheeeyyyy, I'm here from the future, yeah rick and morty season 5 isn't that good
1 likeI guessed what the sponsor was!
1 likeWell said
0 likesWhat do you mean the greatest comedy show has finished?
70 likesVenture bros isn't done yet
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This man is bringing the facts
3 likesA man of culture I see
2 likesoh my god i forgot that show existed
0 likesIt truly is legendary.
0 likesventure bros was done as soon as they moved to new york. my god they ruined everything
0 likes@Temmie Plays! have you watched the newest season?
1 like@UnchartedKnight01 stopped a decade ago.
0 likes@Temmie Plays! Doc and Monarch's relationship is greatly fleshed out
3 likesThe Boys lives drastically change in the end of the season
The Guild and OSI is more fleshed out
Nice Kendrick reference in the title
2 likesTo Pimp a Bad fandom
0 likesRick and Morty jumped the shark after they were forced to "diversify" the writers room.
2 likesI think season 5 is the worst yet just mindless adventures and yes the first episode was different from the others but it went down hill really bad from there I hope the last episode is gone be different from what we have seen now
0 likesEmpLemon owns a pickle Rick costume.
88 likesAdd that to the lore.
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He has definitely used it before in other videos...
3 likesWRITE THAT DOWN! WRITE THAT DOWN!
1 likeEmpPickle
1 likeim listening to some random person on the internet talk about rick and morty
0 likesincredible
Star Wars does not tell the story of a dysfunctional family that is a huge reach.
0 likesStuff does matter and that's scary because that means stuff can hurt you, so rick runs from it instead of trying to confront his problems!
0 likesGo to therapy you raggedy old man!
I wish they made Dog World
0 likesits unbelievable how its been 8 years ever since the first episode aired and they have only made 4 10episode seasons like wtf
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Well at least we got mostly good episodes
5 likes@Mcb obviously but still that thing is getting annoying they better give us the full s5 at june not half
1 like@Maria Kagkari I agree but quality over quantity
15 likes@Mcb Eh, half and half makes a whole, all things in equilibrium and all that, but to me the first 2 seasons carry most of the quality out of the entirety of the show, but I have to say the first 2 episodes of Season 5 had me feeling nostalgic r&m quality vibes.
0 likesyeah and it's frustrating cuz my friends don't see anything wrong with that! i think it's mainly the huge pressure of the show's popularity on the creators. plus Dan Harmon has a lot of personal problems as a human being
2 likes@Gregory Gorgus damn chill out Gregory đ€Łđ€Ł
0 likesWow great video !
0 likesoh man ''those sunday nights knowing id have to drag myself back to school in the morning'' omg lmao this video makes so much more sense now. is this your first time experiencing nostalgia? this whole video is exactly like those 30 year olds who say shit like ''every pokemon game after red blue & yellow is shit, all the pokemon designs are weird and ugly now'' just because the old version is what they new growing up. cmon dude, season 3 and season 4 were great seasons. ricklantis mixup won an award even
0 likesWith no knowledge or interest on the subject topic, my main observation is that he used GeoWizardâs original music at the 10 minute mark
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also noticed it
0 likesThat episode won an Emmy?!?
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tells you what you need to know about the emmys : they aren't worth jack shit
1 likeThis show was peak "I f*cking love science" material. I think most people nowadays have pretty much had it with the Bill Nyes and the Neil Tysons. All that stuff just comes off as pretensious and played out.
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Generally speaking, people tend to stop âf*ckinh lovingâ science when science produces results that directly challenge their deeply-held personal beliefs. (Side note: No matter what your deeply-held beliefs are, eventually, science WILL directly challenge some of them.)
30 likes@C.J. Zimmerman not really
0 likes@D Gam I mean, even Bill Nye and Neil Tyson hate science when it's inconvenient science to their politics.
14 likes@C.J. Zimmerman dead right, my friend.
0 likesEspecially when you have a genuine interest in science and technology, that shit just... christ.
0 likesPersonally, I blame The Big Bang theory for spreading the "lol I'm so nerdy" normie culture.
5 likes@C.J. Zimmerman Inheritability and the Theory of Evolution have nothing to do with intelligence.
2 likes- social "scientists"
I think Neil Tyson is just pretentious af
1 likeSo, you have to listen to the psychologist's opinion as the truth in order to agree with your opinion piece. Fascinating. The Episode that won awards is the "Bad one".
0 likesWell, Futurama is back now I guess
0 likesemplemon aka youtube's human sacrifice
0 likesrick and morty more like rick and the sus impostor
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Morty is such a sussy baka
3 likes@Slam Jam O_O SUS
4 likesHonorable mention to Kendrick Lamar's "Good Kid, M.A.A.D City", which has now spent a staggering 358 weeks on the Billboard 200, Eclipsing "The Eminem Show"'s 357
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kendricks 2nd best album after TPAB
23 likesBruh eclipse more like
3 likesNot eclipsed
A less intense metaphor
Great album for sure, still hasn't beat my favorite though. Dark side of the moon at 741 I believe just off the top of my head. And I'm actually really impressed with myself that I still remember that after all these years
15 likes@Nic Halabicky 957 actually. And still going.
5 likesgkmc > tpab fight me
4 likes@datonehaha no but I'll agree to disagree
3 likes@Matchington 1 thatâs cumulative, the longest streak they had was 736. 1973-1988.
2 likes@datonehaha theyâre both fucking 11/10, I go back and forth on which we one I love more constantly
2 likesBoth are just so popular because of middle school kids
0 likesyou seem so and wise and respectable while dissing a wildly popular song from 1973. Are you fun at parties?
0 likesAnybody have timestamps for the music?
0 likesNICE Geowizard music. Big straight line mission fan.
0 likesFuturama never clicked for me
0 likesThey should just go on adventures and knock off the Aesops and slice of life/family dynamic. The show got weaker when family drama was applied.
0 likesThe Rick and Morty fandom are just weebs but for Rick and Morty
38 likesthe long hiatus F'd it
0 likesPeople hate Rick and morty?
0 likesEdit: whaaa people thought quality went downhill in season 3, man I must not have a high expectation or be that big of a fan then
12:32 U N C L E T E D
0 likeslol he got the Mario music
0 likesFun fact a tf2 show was going to be on adult swim and they got pretty far but it got cancelled due to not many sfm animators.
113 likesEdit another fun fact valve actually had a tf2 ad once on adult swim and added in cosmetics insipered from shows from adult swim
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Damn it, i would've loved to see more Rick May...
3 likesIt was cancelled due to Valve being Valve. They were too obsessed with perfection and could not keep up with the minimal episode demands, or get the pilot to fit within the 11 minute run time. So, they just released the pilot in 2014 as Expiration Date and decided to make it into an update.
15 likes@FreeToPlay Scout You mean to tell me that there was going to be a tf2 show and the pilot was fucking expiration date? What a complete waste of potential.
6 likes@E same
0 likesNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
2 likes@comradecommissar1945 Yes, Adult Swim seemed to show fondness for TF2 in the early 2010s. There is a skit from Robot Chicken that involves Medic, and a scene of the Venture Bros where Rusty is playing TF2. Adult swim advertised TF2 on their blog and ran a commercial for the Venture Bros made by Valve using TF2 characters. There are also a bunch of old promo items in the game from various Adult Swim shows like Robot Chicken, Venture Bros, Aqua Teen Hunger Force, and Metalocalypse. There's several videos on this topic, but VNN has a quick rundown of the timeline: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIjjVrstGd8. Here's some unused textures from the original pilot: https://www.reddit.com/r/tf2/comments/27zgzr/bread_update_textures_leak/. I suppose rushed production could also explain why they couldn't get Grant Goodeve to voice the Engineer and had Nolan North do it instead.
1 likeI want to see the timeline where that happened
3 likesTeam neighborhood is the closest thing to a TF2 show we got so far. Unless valve decides to pick it up again. Problem is that some of thevoice actors have aged to a point where they sound off or completely different. Scout still sounds like Scout, but with a deeper voice, for example.
1 like@TiiX Well they wouldn't be able to have Soldier in a speaking role, unless they either have a bunch of unused audio, or like pitch-bend a good impersonator or something. They'd probably just cram Nolan North in there completely unedited like they did in Expiration Date. 15.ai can actually pass itself off as Soldier, but only with very specific phrases and would probably take significant editing to meet production standards. Team Neighborhood is fantastic btw.
1 like@FreeToPlay Scout Yea, did notice that soldier near the end of experation date sounded alot like Blutarch/ Redmond mann. It's sad that he's gone, especially since i love soldier so much." Ihave done nothing but teleport bread for three days". The voice actor of soldier in team neighborhood is also very good in terms of replicating the soldier voice
1 likeGeowizard music was unexpected
0 likesMan i love Gex
1 likePerception is reality.
1 likeyou say its a good show yet you spend the video saying its bad
0 likesjust give up on the pipedream
We just not gonna talk about season 4 and Rick struggling to be there for his daughter? And Jerry trying to stick up for himself and grow a spine? They went back to their roots of dysfunctional family. Weâre not supposed to think about it too hard I anyway I guess.
5 likesFunniest shit i've ever seen
0 likesWhoâs here in 2022 thinking that they totally blew Season 5 too?
0 likes17:01
0 likesCommercial Skip Button
Man I hoped Rick and Morty didn't become a money machine
0 likesMaybe season 5 is better ? idk
This show shaped my nihilism and cynicism but also my persistent undercurrent of hope and fun. Also the portals.
5 likesMAN SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME THE SONG IN THE OPENING OF THE VIDEO
0 likesFunniest shit I've ever seen
0 likesLmao Rick and morty came out on my birthday
0 likesthe majority of the comment section is a breath of fresh air for the rick morty fandom, especially after going on reddit
0 likesIt's funny how when Emp posited his rhetorical question about why people like the show, I immediately was like characters, and then was like, "yeah that's also good, ooh I do like the improv," and just kinda had to wait for him to agree with me.
21 likesSorry but I'm one of the people that has never seen the series and only learned of it through memes, and I refuse to watch a dumb comedy that is heralded as the highest IQ show there is. I mean, I love dumb comedy but not when a large group of frequently stoned individuals are trying to force it down everyone's throats
0 likesIdk I really like the new season
0 likes8:00 mans really using GT4 music :D
0 likesI loved the pickle rick episode lol i thought it was brilliant
0 likesI remember my dad telling me about rick and morty and we watched the first two seasons laughing. Couple months later season 3 was announced, so me and my dad would watch each episode as they came out. Such a peaceful time
8 likesI think melon REALLY likes the title
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10/10
1 likeI always see Rick as Cyrus from Pokemon.
0 likesPersonally I think that if you ignore the fan base every season is very enjoyable and well written
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I watched Rick & Morty up to I think the end of Season 3, but they didn't have season 4 out. I have been putting off Season 4 and 5, I could probably go back to watching it, I'm just not sure. Are Seasons 4 and 5 worth it?
0 likes@L. Wolf 4 is alright but after watching episode 4 of season 5 no
0 likes@Highlander Hmm, I might give em a watch through at least through 4.
0 likes@L. Wolf (my opinion)season 4 was good but mostly the back half and season 5 is good so far except ep 4 which was kinda dumb
1 like@cameron anderson If season 5 trends out like Season 4 they might have good ideas, just not good ways to close them out by the end of the season.
0 likes@L. Wolf their was a interview where dan said season 5 will have a lot of lore stuff so maybe it'll be better then season 4 but i guess we'll just have to wait and see
1 likeI am sad that you did not mention overused, unnecessary, unfunny sexual jokes going around
0 likesWas in middle school when Rick abd Morty premiered and my peers were annoying AF about it even though I loved the show.
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To be fair middleschoolers are a nuisance as a rule
28 likesJosh Leitzel 2013 was a long time ago bro
0 likesTyler Hackner I was a sophomore in high school when it premiered.
0 likesMiddle school in 2013? Jesus.
0 likesHere's kind of a metaphor of what I'm Rick and Morty used to be grease and sugar you know stoner comedies everyone liked it it taste good now it's more like sugar and Jello I don't know why it's kind of bland or just sugar and more sugar that's basically I can how you put it
0 likesTwitter and tiktok can ruin anything.
0 likesCould be worse, the Rick and Morty fanbase could wage Nerd Jihad on each other whenever a new season comes out. Which is what Star Wars fans do whenever a new movie is made.
0 likesThe sponsorship part shows your ytp background
0 likesIâm a fan of Rick and Morty. I think itâs funny sometimes. Do I consider myself a part of the fandom? No. Iâve never purchased/said/done anything in the show. I like the show though.
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same
0 likesI mean i get merchandise of my favorite shows and movies once in a while but it doesn't mean im a part of any fandom
6 likesI dont usually associate myself with other people in the fandoms of the the things i like i dont consider myself to be one of them and if i do interact its only with a small group of people but other than that i ignore them
To me a fandom is just a community of people who share the same interests with one another
And for me i dont consider myself to be apart of their community
I bought a rick crack pipe but thatâs just for the meme of me being able to say I have a high iq I own a rick and morty crackpipe
4 likes@jeb bryant i remember seeing stuff like that when i was in Maine back in 2019, funny how rick and morty has gone to a point where crackpipes of it exist
0 likes@tabasko what do you mean last person youâd expect here
1 like@jeb bryant i meant nicdood, the guy who posted the original comment
0 likesi know him, he's a cool guy
@tabasko ah all good got confused with the ping. Also yeah the fact that they went so hard with merch that you could get crack pipes is amazing. I think I should confirm I donât smoke crack I just thought itâd be the funniest thing to own
1 like@jeb bryant i think while i was there i saw a LOT of crackshops and stuff and they had so many random-ass things, like i think i saw a goddamn minion bong or something like that
1 like@tabasko holy shit hi
1 like@nicdood j
0 likes@Emplemon do a video on space ghost coast to coast and/or Harvey Birdman:Attorney at law
0 likesConsume Morty! Advertisment break
2 likeslove that esprit music
0 likesmy angry adolescence divided fandom
0 likesYour film theory impression was so on point I nearly threw my phone at a wall from pure annoyance
16 likesgood kid m.A.A.d. city type beat
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0 likesI didnât watch it at first cause I was mad season 3 premier was over the new Samurai Jack episode
0 likes10:42 im sampling this
0 likesyo season 5 is dope asf
0 likesI don't normally say this, but i'd honestly be fine if they pulled some lazy "it was all a dream" bullshit to basically retcon everything after season 2, and get a fresh start from there so they can do things right
14 likesI have this slight hint you may abhor MatPat and his YT videos that reach.. a lot.
0 likes15:15 the only ad i choose to watch
0 likesShow fell off hard
1 likei like it still it gets more intresting charchter wize, season one type shananigans cant be good forever. just look at sponchbob
0 likes"Good show with a bad fandom". Just be thankful they haven't completely ruined the show, like they have with Doctor Who.
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If you think they shit on Doctor Who, just look at ALL of Star Trek. "Lower Decks" is such a steamimg pile of shit, even Netflix passed on ot. The service that gives Amy Schumer and Mindy Kaling comedy specials thought Star Trek Lower Decks was too shitty to sign up on... During a pandemic and Hollywood lockdown. Doctor Who isn't even grazing the tip of the iceberg in how badly they ruined the Star Trek franchise.
25 likes@Mcheetah Star Trek is long dead. Discovery and Picard were dancing a corpse while flashing strobe lights
7 likesDoctor Who ruined itself. Besides, it was never that good. David Tennant and Matt Smith were amazing and there were some amazing episodes, but also some terrible ones, even in their era. But it was usually incredibly cheesy and far from deserving of being considered "sci-fi". More like "mildly science themed fiction". It's mainstream British television and nothing more at the end of the day.
8 likesIt certainly has its moments. Like, really, really good moments. But most of it is crap.
I fear that the shittification of Rick and Morty has already began
1 likeChris Chibnall is the biggest problem the show is currently facing, look back on his episodes in the past, all stinkers. But the BBC still made him showrunner!
1 likeThe timeless child arc has pissed on 50+ years of world-building and lore, all for the sake of SubVeRTing EXpecTAtionS. He just HAD to leave a permanent mark somehow, for posterities sake; because he certainly wasn't going to be remembered for the QUALITY of his ideas...
Itâs funny cuz season 5 is all about family drama and itâs not as good as season 1 & 2 or 3 or 4 lol
0 likesback when family was a guy
1 likeAnyone else Here after watching season 5 episode 1?
0 likesDrip Morty is not real and he cannot hurt you
0 likesDrip Morty is a cannon
A Kendrick Lamar reference in a Rick and Morty video is something that I would never expected from someone who used to make YTP videos.
53 likesOoooooh, I get it now. Thx broski
1 likeabsolutely banger title
0 likesso rick and morty is a sci-fi . comedy . family drama
0 likesfunniest shit ive ever seen
0 likesAlternative title:
23 likesThere will Never Ever be another Family Drama like Rick and Morty
Season 5 has killed any hope I had for the show
3 likes3:45 you guys say "zeitgeist" in english? sounds super weird
0 likesI certainly did not expect GeoWizard music here
0 likesu say that adult swim never aired somethin like rick before but superjail was kinda zanny n wacky. less coherent but even the anatomy of the characterts n their noodle bodies n the violence levels were similar. i thionk rick morty was very fitting fitted tyo release on AS not to a surprise for me personally idk
0 likesI love the jabs at Film Theory, literally I wouldnât be surprised if Matpat would one day do a video that says that Edd from Ed,Edd n Eddy has aspergers and is actually from Saturn and that somehow represents the human condition and ideology
5 likesThe fans ruined the show
0 likesI like your videos but can you stop hating on film theory
0 likesA religion is not responsible for its followers
0 likes-that one smart azz
Rick wife did dye another Rick.
0 likesI'm the physical manifestation of Society Morty, I'm Joker Rick
73 likesthe only ads i dont skip
1 likeAm I the only person who got attracted by the title itself being a GKMC reference
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no. whole reason i clicked the video too. you hear about kendricks new project being announced today??
1 likeWell I've heard about the fact that he's gonna release his final TDE album, I hope it won't be his last album ever, but I'm pretty excited about the album itself. It's coming, and I'm hyped up for it.
2 likes@BattleReviews yea i jus hope when he says final TDE he means only with that label. still hyped tho, been too long.
1 likeTrue, but hey once it comes out, it'll be amazing, most likely.
2 likes@BattleReviews itâll always be amazing itâs kendrick đŁ
1 like@Moyo Yeah You're right
0 likesThen it went woke like the rest, and now i cant stand it.
0 likesI thought season 5 was really good
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You can like it, but objectively it wasnât good.
1 like"It's about family and that's what's so powerful about it."
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Thatâs a yikes dude, itâs not about family, family is too base level for this show
0 likes@Sailor literally the point of this video was that the family dynamic of rick and morty actually was more important than people realized. If you watch season 1 and 2 and all you take away from it is "Nihilistic science comedy", your sort of missing a vital aspect of the show.
11 likeswell this video was a trip
0 likesSeason 5 just released post popularity and its the best season since 2
0 likesMake gay rick an alternate, bring back straight rick, get rid of the woe-man, and the fans will come back.
0 likes11:45 like the vid but thatâs patently false. âCaringâ for others is a wildly beneficial evolutionary trait thatâs many species developed and display to this day. Humans have greater capacity for emotion and deep though, so it is more apparent and well, âdeeperâ but caring and supporting members of our âbloodâ or tribe, and species, working together etc. is what allows for the broad advancement and overall survival of the human race. If every single person was selfish and worked to undermine others for their own benefit, we wouldnât have even made it past discovering fire. Why does the mother bird naturally collect food to bring to her children? Why do wolves hunt in packs? I understand what you are trying to say in the context of that clip, but itâs still pretty off base imo. Again though, great video! Definitely earned a sub
5 likesCan we just talk about how much of a banger the [as] theme is?
27 likeswhy does this guy hate film theory so much??!? matpat did nothing to you man, lol
0 likesmom entered the room right as the vid showed furry costumes
0 likes6:23 its about time travel , see Rick is morty , and morty is rick
0 likesI thought this from the 1st episode ,
I went back and watch Back tot futer , to see , Marty , has his mom hit on him, and he has to Get his dad to take His mom off his hands , go watch the movie , his mom totally wanted him ,., now I don't think u could do this , with a "dad" , but grandfather , Abosiutle more do able , ( I call it the Grandfather paradox ) , I think Justin Roiland saw this and said . what if Marty was his own father , no that don't make sense , but what if he was his own grandfather , yea , I can see that .. and made ashwo , and they don't / wont do any time travel , cuz I think they are saving this time travel as , this , Marty goes back , and falls in love with his grandma !! ( eww , I know ,. ) but if u watch the movie , the she is based off the movie , and there are clues int eh 1st episode that support this .12:00 Rick don't care about morty , cuz Rick doesn't care about himself , So him saying he doesn't care about morty , is him saying he doesn't care about himself .
Yea I stoped watching rick n morty the fans were to cringe. Fun show
1 likeNever watched the show but damn this documentary is amazing
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Honestly I loved season 3. Ive never been a part of the fandom proper but I've always loved the show. I think he's a bit dramatic about shit. If you ignore outside influences the show itself is always entertaining. I'd suggest checking the show for yourself. Super easy to binge but it's not for everyone
2 likes@mike james The show can still be entertaining, but if it isnt following what made it GOOD. Then there's something wrong that'll occur.
0 likesYou should give it a try its a pretty good show.
0 likesits not very correct, dont believe the things he says
0 likes@S V yeah I was getting a pretty biased vibe off it. Same with like hungrybox and some of his other video documentaries. He states his opinions as facts
1 likeSmartt was ad u got my props thooo frr mann.!!!
1 like7:20 mogus in background LOL
1 likeThought this was a Rick and morty ,Kendrick Lamar video :(
1 likeWhy canât it be 9:00?!?! I wanna watch Cartoon Network!!!!!!!
0 likesDamn, this day just got a whole lot better!
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Nice pfp
3 likesVery nice pfp
2 likesOh IM ConsUMING!!!
2 likes@Call me Charlie Fat rip. The ond good spot on plebbit.
1 likeKing crimson
0 likesNi p
0 likesThat's weird, I was trying to say nice pfp but it's like the letters in the middle got skipped
Its a good band!
0 likesCucumber drenched in vinegar caused the hate
0 likesah, opinions. Watching a +10y younger dude talk about meaning and state of rick and morty. Just suprice me rick and morty and its fine.
0 likesthem season 5 shows him as a very meh power level
0 likesRick and Morty is the shytđ§Ąđ§Ąđ§Ą
0 likesRick and morty premiered on my birthday
1 likeItâs a good show but you SJWâs are messing my crap up mostly. đ§
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If you hate me Because I have Irritance/distain of Fandom GOOD I rather be hated for what I am then Something Iâm not.
0 likesbit of paraphrasing from CM Punk but Iâm not him tho he speaks facts! đ
No, star trek is about space nerds, and star wars is about space hobos. That's the difference.
0 likesI hate to tell you, but I wouldn't see this as a sitcom. Yes the family is dysfunctional, but the writer is intend it to be that way in the most over the top manner. The characters treat each other like garbage on the regular, yes they join together as a family unit at points in the show but overall you get the sense that the whole point of the show is that they treat each other like absolute garbage which is the opposite of what a family should do. In this case it's way more dysfunctional than The Simpsons, it's intentionally dysfunctional over the top for the sake of its own surrealism. It explores a lot of scientific theories particularly multiverse theory. And it definitely centers most of the dysfunction around Rick, who seems to be the main catalyst for all of the families issues. I would say part of what makes the show so great, and so fresh, is its surrealism, it's intentional motive of bringing you things you haven't ever seen or imagined, and exploring those things through the lens of a family that just doesn't give a flying f*** about anything they do to each other, because if they did really care all the time, it would just be another movie or TV show, and if they were mildly dysfunctional but always manage to hold things together it would be the Simpsons, but Frank is a sociopath and the rest of the characters are not too far off. Keep in mind I don't support dysfunction, but this comes off more like an intentional satire, possibly trying to beat sitcoms that feature dysfunctional families to death
0 likesI have an honest question: is there such a thing as timelessness in this generation? I donât fault Rick and Morty cashed into their brand, but itâs important to work with the new technology
16 likesI hate the dysfunctional family stuff tbh
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0 likesSeason 5 is as far the worst season ever exept for the last episode.
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I thought the last episode was why people hated season 5.
0 likes@Pierre Begley i'd say the last episode is good, the bad thing of the season is that its way too random, i mean yea rick and morty has always been random but this season is simply too random in my opinion
3 likesThe show isnât supposed to end thatâs why they do this stuff itâs not like bojack
0 likesI TURNED MYSELF INTO A LEMON
113 likesIM LEMON EMP
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THE FUNNIEST SHIT I HAVE EVER SEEN
8 likesI kid you not, he turns himself into a lemon. He calls himself Lemon Emp. Itâs the funniest shit Iâve ever seen!
10 likesGood one mate
0 likesNO
0 likesthx for the god hand music in the background
0 likesThe Movie Theorist 2.0
0 likesseason 5 arrived. worst season of rick and morty ever
1 likeNice kendrick reference in the title
1 likeDamn you all. Because of this video I had to binge all of futurama just to get to the ending that emp almost spoiled.
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Worth it.
10 likesWas it worth it? I never really got into futurama.
0 likes13:40 what racing video game is this song from
0 likes? WHAT IS THIS SONG <D RIVING ME NUtS !
i know, I know it from somewhere.
anyone know the song at 17:07? the pastebin won't load for me
0 likesMDE NEVER DIES
0 likesTHEY ARE TRYING TO SHOW MEDIA WHAT THEY WANT AND THEY EVEN TOLD US THAT IN THE TRAIN EPISODE HOW THEY HAD TO IMPROVE BROAD APEAL AND MARKETING THEY WERE TRYINH TO MAKE IT A SHOW ALL CAN ENJOY ITS STILL A GREAT SHOW BUT ALL PEOPLE HAVE DIFFRENT IDEAS OF A GREAT SHOW EVN IF YOU DIDNT LIKE IT PEOPLE LIKE: ME DID.
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Iâm 13 enjoyed like a ton of shows like Simpsons, Futurama, family guy, and Rick and morty despite watching them at age 12 they just tried there best to make it a good show by using suggestions from the FANDOM they proves it in the train episode for more explaintion watch film theory on Rick and mort
0 likesThanks for addressing the fact that the âto be fair, you have to have a high IQ...â meme was probably fake and ironic
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The whole part about the tattoo pretty much gives it away.
6 likesyou have to have a high logical intelligence to understand rick and how right he is
0 likesActually that entire copypasta was a collimation of many different facebook post from Rick and Morty fans 4chan archived
4 likesdamn already a year old
0 likesClicked for the Kendrick reference
1 likeEeehhhhh, cut AdultSwim a bit more slack, they also brought us such gems as Frisky Dingo, Archer and of course the ever ubiquitous, if sadly cancelled Venture Bros.
0 likesSeason 5 isn't really doing it for me, only by merit of that most recent episode where A LOT of background and lore is revealed... and we are breathless with anticipation regarding the season's conclusion.
Best video title I've ever seen
0 likes0:00 Futurama Dies
5 likes0:50 Adult Swim
2:52 Rick and Morty - A unique combination, crude and elegant, spontaneous detail, An Anti-Show
4:32 Rick and Morty Grows 5:31 Universally Revered --> Hated
6:25 What is Rick and Morty about?
- A Disfunctional Family and how it deals with life's great questions
(The Smartest show on television?)
8:07 Sci-Fi: Science Fiction
9:42 Dysfunction is the premise, Sci-Fi is the lens which we look through
10:35 Nihilism: Promoting, Critiquing, Warning?
12:00 Deep Down, He Cares
13:10 Salvaging The Good Times
Accountability - Actions have Consequences
14:54 V-Sauce, Michael Here 16:55 Male-Pattern Baldness
17:08 M.A.A.D. Fandom, Season 3 Premiere Family BURSTS
17:55 Pickle Rick, A Turning Point for The Worse?
20:20 Flawed Scientist --> The Smartest Man In The Universe
23:45 The Rick and Morty Fandom
25:45 Rick and Morty stopped being cool!
27:30 Trends Don't Last Long
29:35 4 Female Writers
- Sloppy, Inconsistent
31:34 Good Show, that maybe could have been great.
It believed its own hype
season 5 def changes things i think
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Yes and no. There are some things that did change for the better, but some things also stayed the same in the shitty way.
1 likeyo fr the new season of rick and morty kinda blew
0 likesHulu just purchased new episodes of Futurama. Buckle up!
0 likes0:50 can someone tell me what song is that please
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in the description
1 likei actually really liked the pickle rick episode. i mean specifically the payoff of rick ending up in therapy even after almost killing himself and going thru everything he could to get out of it. The therapist puts everything in ricks face and its a really self aware moment thats just high-larious 10/10 would eat poop
5 likesYes but in the episode where he body swaps he gets into a rick from the council and he never left that body so he could be using the body augmentations used by the council
0 likesThe show is good , but i think what ruined it else than the fandom is how overrated it is
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0 likes10/10 title
0 likesIt sounds like they could always pull off the âwe were in a simulationâ to explain away the later seasons if they wanted to get back to what the show was. I enjoyed listening to your thoughts on the show :)
4 likesAs a nihilist, reveling in the infinite depths of your own self-centered melancholy is great and all,
0 likesbut donuts are better.
Does this mean religious people are a fandom and atheists who enjoy hearing about religions are fans?
1 likeEnglish teachers be like
0 likesRick and Morty is an overrated piece of crap show imo
0 likesThe internet has basically accelerated the Simpsons affect for most media
105 likesUsed to take at least a decade for that to happen
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Well, the show's been around since 2013 now, so three-quarters of a decade at this point...
25 likesWhatâs the Simpsonâs effect
2 likes@Consumer of worlds Where a show drags itself out for so long that people forget its existence and yet it still keeps trying to cling to relevancy by doing stupider stunts.
29 likesMcheetah But their popularity exploded in 2015-2017, less than four years after the show started.
2 likes@Ruby Y. and that's pretty rare in this decade...No other show coming the last decade(probably Steven U.)has not reached that level of popularity
1 like@Eat At Joe's otherwise known as. Shark jumping syndrome AKA Jumping the Shark Inception sound
1 likeyoooo whats the name of the music RIGHT at the beginning? its wild!!
0 likesChristianity is my fandom
1 likethe deth seen was beth and kid morty
0 likes24:24 he said it.
0 likesHe said "Among"
That remark about television not being that good anymore just makes me glad that Phineas and Ferb seems to still have that lightning in a bottle quality that they used to, the promo song from the new movie looks be just promising as the show used be.
4 likesThe day they cancelled aqua teens was the day the adult swim u talk about in the beginning died
0 likesNobody talkin bout the reference in the title?
1 likeSeason 5 Episode 2: I'm about to end this man's whole career
0 likesits just another trying to hard to be another deconstruction show which is just over done. there is no more reconstruction anymore. i watched full house and its breath of fresh air of optimism and no i hate everyone attitude that is a cancer in modern television
0 likesSeason 4 was pretty good IMO, the only part I hated was when Rick name dropped Gamergate even though itâs been dead for years.
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The people who hate gamergate can never stop talking about it. In light of what's gone down since Gamergate I would consider anyone mentioning it to be massively out of touch with current events.
8 likesGamer gate is basically their Vietnam. As in, they basically lost so they have the constantly bring it up like itâs still a thing even though itâs been pretty irrelevant for years now.
0 likesAssy McGee was a cool show
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Never seen that show.
0 likesCracked vid
0 likesLmao Season 5 of Rick and Morty was such fucking ass
0 likesLiking the video just for the name
0 likesBro really came after MatPat hard
1 likeOne question do you have hair?
1 likeYo We Are Happy Landfill tho. Good
0 likesI think season 5 episode 8 is a turn in right direction.
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Episode 10 says otherwise.
0 likes@ReddishCarp 123 .?
0 likesThere will never be another programme block like adult swim
8 likesThe more technological we become, the more humanity we lose. This is because we have put all our feelings, our emotions into technology too. Science is for innovation in life, but not for life itself. Sooner or later science without spirituality will hit a wall that it can't move past unless it looks up.
0 likes(I'd like to think maybe this is starting to happen now)
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"Repugnant is the creature who would squander their ability to lift an eye of heaven conscious of their fleeting time here."
1 like@Izaiah Florés what a beautiful quote! where's it from?
0 likesWho would hate this
0 likesSo I really enjoy Rick and Morty a ton and I might "idolize" the main antagonists but I still know their actual character and who they are and their story in the show.
5 likesFor me, seasons 1-2âs depiction of family drama and Rickâs conflict with loneliness and connection are where the themes were at itâs best. The show didnât try to make Rick seem like some overpowered god that couldnât get hurt. He had to rely mostly on his portal gun to save himself and even that would get compromised in certain episodes, leaving him more vulnerable and forced to improvise in order to survive. The show really fell off the rails for me by season 3 when they decided to make him go from a jaded yet goofy alcoholic scientist, to someone with a godlike status that could solve everything with gadgets without facing any real stakes.
3 likesgood show, bad fandom, doesnt really matter at the end of the day just enjoy the show
2 likeswhen people ask why i like rick and morty i literally just say bc itâs fun and a good show, thats all i say
17 likesLoved your old ytp's, and this new content just blows me away with each new video. I'm glad to see you still sticking to youtube with even higher quality content.
3 likesAw, your analyses are always good! Thank you for putting in the work, and showing us this bit of history and culture!
1 likeEdit: I also love the mocking reference to Game Theory, the sell-out.
I recently got into Rick and Morty, I felt the same way about the last two seasons. It was a bit concerning at first to learn that adult swim ordered 70 more episodes, because I thought that might put a lot of pressure on the writers.. But if you think about it, itâs meant to be a random show and not something chock-full of lore in each episode, so the writers hopefully can just continue as normal.. And, like you were saying, now that the fandom is cooling down, hopefully the writers can focus on the show. The worst thing writers of any show could do, is listen to the fandom.. Itâs not bad to listen to what your regular viewers have to say, but itâs just best to stick to ones guns on their original ideas.. Most things including TV shows have their low points, and some get better. It would be kind of sad to see another show with potential fall to the wayside..
0 likesWith all that aside, I still like the show.. Itâs entertaining enough to just escape for a bit and watch something weird...
I thought season 3 was one of the best. It was very consistent. The one when Ruck and Morty are police is one of my favorites. "Same old thing, Mortys' killing Mortys' "
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That was one of the best 20 minutes of my life. I love how they can joke about things that are so real. We all need to laugh at reality
1 likeWe had fandoms before the internet. We connected via networks of events and synchronicities. We do not live in person quite so much anymore. It is amazing, but still something is lost that you may, sadly, never experience.
9 likesI started watching sometime during season three, one of those were the first episodes I saw, then I went and watched up to that point, so I've only really had to wait for season 4, and to me Rick and Morty has only gotten better, even the first half of season 4 I loved
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true season 4 was mad good felt like original rick and morty
0 likesI tried to watch this show. I really did. People kept telling me that it's hilarious and really smart. I forced myself to watch the entire first season and half the second season. Honestly I don't think I laughed once.
1 likeFrom what I seen in the show I get depressed for a few reasons. I relate a bit as well. Born a prodigy and been claimed a genius I have suffered
0 likesI think the way they made the last episode of season 4 where they made Rick start to be obscure and in the spotlight of the most powerful person on the universe made him relise he has nothing but that title
1 likeI think it was also might have been foreshadowed that when he says âhe is godâ and then a literal god beat him up really makes me think they are trying to change it back to itâs first 2 seasons
It was a pretty good season finale to start a new narrative in my opinion
Canât wait for the next season
I like the show, i like the Theoryâs. I like analysis like this. Not more not less. Itâs just fun to enjoy.
3 likesI mean, nice video and everything, I see your points, but I'm really just a stoner that wants to crack a couple laughs watching something wacky. I already have plenty of great shows with intricate and thougtfull plots and writting that makes you reflect on certain issues. Rick and morty does that sometimes, but in my oppinion it's certainly secondary. Idk, I just enjoy it
1 likeI think it really peaked once more in the second half of season 4, introducing new dramas like ricks loneliness and exploring the family once more, and with the season 5 trailer looking more like the smith family than rick and morty, I think it will be a great show once more
9 likesI just hope after season five they see this and make one last season , I know it can be good again
0 likesI like the new episodes of Rick & Morty. The tonal shift was big, and it does feel aimless. I hope the new season finds its feet again.
0 likesi hope the next season tackles the drama aspect of the show a bit more. as much as i love its comedy and the sci fi, the underlying story was what i liked most. season four was enjoyable but not as good as i wanted it to be although its not horrible or anything. the acid vat episode and the ending were both great lmao
0 likesI love how he wrote the perfect copy pasta and in the end misspelled "personal"
1 likeIm glad that season 4 had moments that slowly showed rick he doesnt own the universe. Like when Birdperson almost killed him, and same with that one god from the episode where the planet had babies.
8 likesA bad fandom does ruin a franchise for me and it's now pretty embarrassing to tell people that I like this show.
1 likeTo be honest I never noticed a dip in quality from season 3 and 4, I feel like the only reason you and/or a lot of other people did was because you pigeonholed your idea of what it should be onto it. Rick & Morty has never taken itself as seriously as you imply it does. It's an episodic comedy, it just needs to be funny and interesting which almost every episode is.
0 likesyou're so spot on. this is the best. good job.
0 likesThe interdimensional cable episode(?) absolutely destroyed me and I'm still not over it, lol. I guess every child has the feeling that they had ruined their parents lives by being born at some point. I'm the sorry person who thinks about that all the time. I wish I had mlrtx who would tell me to "come watch TV." I liked the episodes that had the family focus and perhaps more focus on Summer/Beth. I liked the Beth's made up land episode. That was season 3 I think? It was a fever dream and I don't remember it well because I saw it only once and my memory ain't good but it did give me guidance lol.
0 likesIt was interesting seeing the characters feal with the same feeling I have, right. Rick and Morty is a prime example about why I don't like fandom culture. I like things for my deep fancy reasons that I have a hard time putting into words and I always dread meeting someone who likes the same thing... It makes me sad when someone likes something just for shitposts and memes. Although it's valid too. I just don't like seeing it lol. I guess that's the point of having niche shows for a small group of people, just like it was mentioned in the video...
i just love the show i never had a problem about it
0 likesI don't know why, but I just started thinking of the Saints Row franchise, what started off having a grounded story with some elements of absurdity until the third installment where everything was turned into an almost mindless action series, while the story is neglected and becomes mediocre
4 likesWhen someone praises something for being âdeepâ my first instinct is to hide a sigh.
1 likeYes I never liked when rick became the smartest men in the universe, I prefer him to be vulnerable, just a scientist that despise his flaws, manages to do great things.
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Agreed. I donât even know where that characterization of Rick came from. The only person that thought Rick was the smartest, was himself. And even then, he never truly believed that either. Seasons 1-2 Rick was someone who would get drunk, go on Sci-fi adventures, then come home and pass out; all of this done in an attempt to avoid being alone with himself. Seasons 3-4 Rick is just some omnipotent god that could do whatever he wants with very little repercussions for it. Even his fight with Bird Person in season 4 was boring since heâs really no threat to Rick at all since he has a surplus supply of body armor that protects his organs. Rick in season 2 got shot by a teenage girl and needed Morty to help him up and seal his wound.
0 likesThe show was good to the point it was getting far too edgy and meta.
0 likesWith pickle Rick I respectfully disagree, pickle Rick is the dissection of the show displaying the elements that create Rick and morty and showing the fact is that Rick is incapable of change, the talk at the end of the episode doesnât even phase Rick. Because the ultimate goal of Rick and morty that has become apparent is when Rick will finally break and confront his past
0 likesI just watch Rick and Morty for more Rick and Morty, sure itâs simple but I enjoy it that way
0 likesI know that him suddenly having advance Tec for situations is weird but after the situations in the earlyer seasons it kinda makes sense that he doesn't want to rely on just surviving. I mean in the purge episode he did have those suits but he had to get summer to send them to him so mabey it was a misstep having him suddenly able to do that or mabey it is him being more prepared? Who knows I just watch the show for fun not to think about scince
0 likesi cant comprehend that this man actually got sponsored by fucking Keeps
0 likesI also can't comprehend how this video basically took my exact thoughts on the show and ran with it
At 25:54, I like how the pseudo intellectual Reddit philosopher spells âPersonalâ wrong after trying to give an image of his own masculinity and intelligence.
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"Nothing personnel kid"
0 likes-guy with 300+ IQ probably
As both a Steven universe and an anime watcher I can relate.
0 likesâWait, itâs all dysfunctional families?â
3 likesâalways has beenâ
i'd say when a show grows big enough that it attracts "those kinds of people", then yes they can ruin the show for everyone.
0 likesThe biggest problem with rick and morty is the entitlement of the fandom, 100%.
0 likesIt's an awesome show, hamstrung by the 'fan theory's culture. I actually like thay its made a point of trolling that section of It's fanbase as much over the past 2 seasons.
Season 3 is still my favorite season. But that probably says more about me than whether the show is still good or not. Ignorance is bliss I guess lol.
0 likesI guess during the season gap Rick learned how to improv
0 likesReally enjoyed this video, but calling Solar Opposites "Rick and Morty with extra steps" does a large disservice to the show.
0 likesCame back after the new trailer. Despite it all I'm really excited for the return!
1 likeI dont think this guys is grasping thr true undertone of this season and how it wraps up loose ends and opens new plots and starts better character development! And season four only further proceeds from these arcs
6 likesI'm hype for this. S5E1 is promising
0 likesâCan a fandom be so insufferable that they damage [the piece of media] to an irreparable degree?â
0 likesMe whoâs been a fan of FNaF, Cuphead, Fortnite, and Undertale: Sigh...
I go on Reddit and everybody is always like, "Oh Rick, yeah he's so right. He's the best and Jerry's the worst." Those are the people who ruined Rick and Morty.
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Your first mistake was going on Reddit
0 likes@Brandon Yeah, youâre right
0 likesThat sponsorship was included perfectly.
0 likesI dunno man. Many people might disagree but I really conected with season 3 rick. The bouncing between feeling all powerful and a useless piece of shit is very real for me. As a viewer who started watching only after the entire 4th season came out, it honestly felt like the same quality of show throughout, and I feel it points out how people dont automatically change into a different person when they have a character arc. I think the fandom drastically changed the expectation of the show rather than the show itself, but thats just my opinion.
0 likesWhen a psychologist started telling PICKLE RICK (sigh) off I wondered why I was begin punished for liking this show...
0 likesI don't think they necessarily capitulated to the fandom, at least not completely. This moreso reminds me of Neil Young on the Tonights the Night tour where they'd play the album start to finish and alienate most of the audience, then by 30 minutes in asks them if want to hear something they've heard before and starts playing the exact same set they've just played thru.
0 likesI just cannot understand how intellectual logic leads anybody to nihilism. It doesn't play. Logic IS purpose. Value exists both of and as you. I think these people are hiding. Fear is logical.
0 likesRick and Mortyâs a good show. The true genius of the show is not to overanalyze things. The pickle rick episode is the funniest shit Iâve ever seen. No need to cry about the therapist. Having Rick go around and unrealistically mess around is hilarious. The fandom sucks but what fandom of a popular outlet doesnât?
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This. I just watch Rick and Morty because it's funny and entertaining
2 likesYes, the rest of the more intricate and convoluted messages are but a cherry đ ontop you get to play with after you stop balling your eyes out
1 likeI didn't start watching Rick and Morty until 2018 and I had no involvement with the Phantom and I didn't know anybody else that watched it so I was unaffected by what everybody else thought which may give me a better perspective.
0 likesMe living my life:
1 likeMy brain: WHY ARE THE SIMPSONS GREEN
âYou no longer a scrappy underdogâ I liked that edge vs John cena nod.
0 likesI would argue that season 5 is probably going to split rick from the family
0 likesThis man be hitting truth bombs
0 likesI feel like youâre looking at this show a little bit too analytical, Iâd say itâs just a show where the main idea is nothing matters I feel like itâs just a show enjoyable to watch and you shouldnât look that much further into it
0 likes25:05 this is a big issue for me, because while yeah in theory the people who like the somewhat obscure things I do should be likeminded... they often arent. In fact polar opposite from some of my beleifs at times. So what am I meant to do? I want to find people who are likminded but also like the same stuff I do. Its hard to do.
0 likesAhhh nothing tells you itâs a great piece of media like mentioning Gamergate years and years after anyone actually gave a shit about it.
1 likei have consumed so much of your content today dude
1 likeIdolize ain't even the right word its more fun to watch than anything I can understand that what their doing is bad and messed up and still think its cool without me thinking that their "good people"
0 likesYou are very talented, smart and hard worker. Thx 4 the vid
0 likesThat ad break is amazing
0 likesI like season 3. I don't care too much for season 4, but I still enjoy it.
0 likesWhen adult swim cancelled Million Dollar Extreme due to complaining by Tim Heidecker, that's when it started to all collapse. They cancelled a show that got them hundreds of thousands of views every episode, that gave them a significant profit, and they cancelled it due to political reasons.
0 likesThe bleakness and lostness is the dark before the dawn kid. We are winning, conviction and care is overcoming ignorance, we just need to commit to solidarity and never give up hope. Fight back! đ
1 likeI think he first calls himself the smartest person in the universe S2 ep10 8:00
5 likes13:10 Dude claims he doesn't agree that 'nothing means anything.' Seconds later he says "The knowledge that nothing matters, while accurate, gets you nowhere." I get the sense that you may have missed the magnitude of the words 'while accurate' and spent too much time trying to figure out what happened between seasons 2 and 3. What happened was this guy farted and pulled the sheets over his head.
0 likesYeah this doesn't make sense. You're saying that pickle rick created the fandom but the fandom created pickle rick. Are you actually Dan Harmon?
I donât feel like they have the same dynamic
1 likeI can't speak for everyone, and I hate to be one of those people who's like, "I like the old Rick and morty." However, at least for me, I liked the show much more when it relied more on comedy and the overarching plot was subtle. Now it tends to rely on juvenile extreme violence rather than unique comedy.
0 likesHopefully Season 5 is good.
0 likesI suspect Dan Harmon's real life divorce probably had an effect on R + M S3
0 likesPickle Rick at least inspired Season 10 of Drag Race lol
1 likeNah dude. Rick and Morty is the greatest show of all time. Good video tho.
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eh I like bojack more
0 likesIf pickles and ricks all got along, they prolly gun me down by the end of this song. Seem like the whole fandom go against me. Every time Iâm in the streets I hear REEE! REEE! REEE! REEE!
0 likesFandoms being a modern thing lol. My man not knowing about the two Teams in Byzantium.
0 likeshonestly I love your videos but for me R&M really start picking up at season 3, the scene in pickle rick that you talk about with the psychiatrist for instance to me always seemed more like a - rick is really smart yet this person x took 3 seconds to completely analyse his situation, better than him even - and found humor in that. it was less on the nose and more super meta like much of the stuff they do in season 3 onwards. i'm really not the biggest fan of the first half of season 4 but I'm glad the second half kinda went back a nudge. maybe since I watched 3 seasons in one go the lines are more blurry but I really don't think they lost their charm
0 likesThis video is just so good man
0 likesAfter the last seasonâs finale I donât think this is still true
0 likes19:48 he got his ass beat all season 4
0 likesBut who has a basic knowledge of how magic works?
0 likesSeason 4 is pretty good though
0 likesHopefully season 5 is different, but that's still a low chance.
1 like31:07 - This video is how I learned about Solar Opposites and I just love it now
0 likesNihilism gets you somewhere actually
0 likesYour point about fantasy outclassing sci fi in the eyes of the masses baffles me
0 likesI like Rick and Morty, but I'd never defend it, even if I have bones to pick with some criticisms, simply because of the fans of this show pooping on any semblance of legitimacy in any argument in this show's defense, as they come across as psuedo-intellectual wankers who are so self absorbed in the perceived intelligence boost due to the messaging in the show and how relatable Rick is, especially in season 3, that they rightfully out themselves as, well, Jerry.
0 likesUnpopular opinion : South park has the perfect fandom.
0 likesI like your videos, but you pose everything you say as some unoposable truth, like your analysis is the only right one. And then you only immediatly refute your own previous points, or just "forget" to continue on them in the later part of your videos just so you can make a more intersting narrative. It'd be more suitable if there were some sources other then your opinion if you pose this many statements as truths.
0 likesYour videos are so deep my dude
1 likeThe title is a kung fu Kenny reference obviously
1 likeFandoms didn't exists before the internet? Chariot Racing fandom lead to one of the deadliest riots in history. The Nika Riot in Constantinople started because people who were basically chariot hooligans' got arrested for what the people thought were trumped up murder charges.
0 likesEveryone out here saying people are missing the point idolizing rick so they are dumb are also missing the point. Youre just reinforcing their view. Isolating them for many reasons one being you are also wrong, just like everything its about balance. If you condemn rick you condemn everyone who might relate to his sympathetic side or something. Its just seeing in black and white. No different than idolizing a superhero that can do no wrong and make no mistakes.
1 likethe troll on Film Theory was just chefs kiss
0 likesu deserve a million subs!!!
0 likesDiversity hires, regardless of their intent are terrible.
0 likesGet the best person available, not a check in a box.
I think Rick and Morty is also a mix of Gravity Falls.
0 likesReally great video
0 likesThe fandom controlling the show happened to pokemon for video games
0 likesif you think about it Back to the future is like this as well
0 likesthey released s4 in 2 halves cause one of the producers died, no? that was my guess...
0 likesi love the kendrick lamar reference
0 likes12:02 thanks, Rick.
0 likesM.A.A.D
0 likesexplaining all what happened in new media
OKAY.... IM FINALLY WATCHING THIS VIDEO.
0 likes28:44 Justin became a sheep
0 likesa real online doctor ..... posting ads on youtube
0 likes20:09 TBF if I got robbed by a teenage girl and was getting into life threatening trouble every week, I probably would start carrying weapons too.... It's just that Rick's weapons are insane.
1 like12:34 you love to see it
0 likesAs a Schaff fan, It was super wierd to see Schaffrillas Productions with only 14k subs and hugely disliked video
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timestamp?
0 likes@Akiel Steewart 5:25
0 likes@lucaslook damn they really ratio'd our boy huh?
0 likes@Akiel Steewart yup
0 likesThat pickle rick ad was... painful
0 likesYou all sound like your bitterly looking to far into it. Just enjoy the show or donât.
0 likesand hey, thats just a theory...A FILM THEORY !!!!!
0 likesThe show lost it's consequences and flawed characters, now Rick is a super capable badass and Morty has sound morals. Gay...
0 likesI DIDN'T KNOW FUTURAMA WAS DONE!
1 like"Any anime ever" for the crazy fandoms i was like "NO NOT DEAMON SLA... no ok they are nuts, well what about Ouran Hig... no they are bat shit too.""
0 likesYep, cant think of an anime i enjoy, that doesn't end up having a fair amount of "stans" behind it going "HARUS MIIIIIINE ANYONE ELSE WHO TOUCHES THEM IS DEAD" like its all real and that one person can claim a fake drawing that animates on a screen thats been watched by millions, but yeah no. This Haru is defiantly 'Sailor_Sun4Lyfe's đ€Ł god im too old for this shit, i felt normal when i was a teen but now i feel weird even being near fandoms
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what
0 likeshaven't seen the video yet but rick and morty is just a silly funny show with silly funny jokes and anyone that tries to make it a lot deeper than that or way worse than that earns my immediate contempt. like omg just laugh at the old man turning himself into a pickle it's not that big of a deal ffs
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im mean it is a bit deep, most of Dan Harmons work has some depth to it
0 likesI hated the first half of season 4 far more than season 3
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nah i disagree i think season 4 is incredible
0 likesminoxidil is not 90% effective. finasteride is the better option if you're okay with the side effects
0 likesStarts taking shots at other youtube channels đ€Łđ€Łđ€Ł
0 likesItâs insane how old Rick and Marty is and it still is ahead of itâs time...
2 likesItâs not a bad episode but itâs just so forced in this oneâŠmaybe the fans ruined it for me (17:58)
0 likesRewatching this vid now that season 5 is ab to come out
0 likesC I N E M A H Y P O T H E S I S
0 likes9:47 Mission across Wales flashbacks
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Great series
0 likes26:21 The anime thing is the most accurate thing ever. Iâm a huge anime fan and Iâm degenerate enough that I also read manga but I keep it to myself. The community is insufferable except for a few friends I have
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This reminds me that time I dared to have a mildly controversial opinion on the konosuba subreddit.
0 likesidk man iâm having fun with 3 and 4
0 likesMorty im crackin 90s
2 likesI think my favorite think about R&M was how it always felt like one stable person could have ended the delicate balance of all of their issues.
10 likesThey always felt like a spinning top waiting to lie.
Then a stable person showed up and I kinda lost interest haha
Squid billies is the true high IQ adultswim show but you people are not ready for this talk.
0 likesHow did he make this thumbnail
0 likesThe Rick & Morty fanbase have a lot in common with the Breaking Bad fanbase.
10 likesThey both think that theyâre Rick and Walter White, but theyâre actually Jerry and Badger.
I like the reference in the title
0 likesWait people stop watching because of the fans??
0 likesI just thought it dropped off in quality Inn
season 3 I remember only liking two episodes and figuring it's not worth keeping up with
this show is a ten and you compain when its a 9
0 likesthe sponsor lmao
0 likesI started crying with laughter during that ad read. Holy shit
52 likesPersonal opinion: Rick and Morty are nowhere near Futurama in terms of writing and characters
11 likesbut it still a fun show
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Thats because every writer in futurama are incredibly smart
0 likesI agree but in other ways it is better. Or at least the first season was.
0 likesI love how emplemon is unafraid to just shit on game theory
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Or that he is easy to be made fun of, right?
2 likes@Mercury I feel like he just ran out of content and tried to appeal to too many people and it worked, heâs probably making more money than he ever did before. If I were him I would do the same thing sadly tbh.
7 likes@Mercury True, but dignity and pride doesn't really matter when you need to provide for yourself and your family. As sad as it is, he made the right decision in my opinion.
3 likesNobody is afraid of shitting on Game Theory
4 likes@Bruh Master well, thatâs a complex issue. I honestly donât care if you make money doing something like YouTube, I just feel that once it becomes your career it loses its soul. Money is great and all but thereâs better ways of gaining capital than selling out your dignity.
0 likesFor that good kid, m.a.a.d. city pun alone, this video deserves a like
4 likesWhy did I just realize what the title is a reference of.
0 likesLol rick and mortys great critics are miserable
0 likesMe: ricke monty
1 likeRick: Wubbaluba dub dub!
Mort: sex!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
theres another adult swim show called "xavier : renegade angel" and it has been compared to rick and morty and even called the superior of the 2, if you ever want to, feel free to check it out as like most things on the network its a very bizarre but interesting expereince
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Season 1 ep 2 is the best of the bunch
1 likeDoes anyone watch Off The Air?? Its a newer show(made within the decade) but by god that shit is badass. Most unique show I've ever seen on TV. That shit was made to throw those who are unfortunate enough to catch it while tripping into one crazy ass trip. The first time I watched it I had eaten 5g of killer mushies and the damn thing threw my ass into a 6 hour thought loop/existential crisis lol
2 likesA 35-minute mini documentary on a show Iâve never watched and donât really care for? Sign me up!
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Yeah I went from I really dont care to season 5 hype for some reason
1 likeadmitting i like rick and morty got me a date once. she did play quidditch though
0 likesFuturama gets none of the love it deserves. Rick and Morty is great and actually kinda deep and original but, in many ways, ruined by it's fandom. For me at least.
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I feel like a horrible fandom shouldn't ruin my experience with the media I'm consuming
11 likes@Horacio Barrios yeah I learned to ignore fandoms a long time ago too.
6 likes@Horacio Barrios I do agree in general but it does still have an affect on me. Guess I'm just dumb like that.
3 likes@Horacio Barrios the problem is a key factor of consuming media is discussing it with others. When a fandom becomes too toxic, you tend to lose the ability to more deeply engage with media and lose part of your interest in it.
6 likesThis is very blatant in games. Would you want to play an MMO for years if literally every single player was out to scam or insult you? Warframe is a fairly good example of a game that's been carried almost solely off its very active and positive fandom despite the game itself very rarely resonating with people.
Can you enjoy discussing a show when anyone you talk about it with refuses to see any faults in it and gets hung up on every tiny little detail.
Futurama will always be a series I remember fondly.
1 like@Horacio Barrios that's the only way, otherwise you wouldn't be able to enjoy anything
3 likes@Horacio Barrios
2 likesWhile you're right a terrible fandom can ruin or sour the experience
I really do think that while season 3 was mediocre the fandom at the time made it unbearable and gave it a worst stigma
@dudemaister96 I mean, it could be easy to get affected by it as the terrible fandom actions affect the view of the general public on certain media
1 like@The Playbunny Arcade  good point, even tho I prefer discussing media with friends that share the same interests but I will listen to different opinions, even in toxic fandoms
1 likeFuturama is still remembered fondly, wdym.
0 likesI don't even tell people I watch Rick and Morty anymore out of fear that the "REEEE" kid is what I'll be in their heads forever. thanks fandom.
20 likesWhat a godly title
0 likesI mean Christ, that pickle rick episode had staggering soundtrack and action.
16 likes22:47 and then it happened
1 likeI wholeheartedly agree with the theory of the showrunners chickening out on the storyline to avoid conflict with how mainstream the show accidentally became. Felt the same watching S3 which is why I eventually dropped it as well. Not a judgement of their character, just a pity.
6 likesEdit: love you for the manic anti-hero attachment disorder term, will co-opt it. Also you get complimented on your editing and compelling narratives anyway, so let me add, you have good taste in music.
Whats the name of the movie at 8:51?
1 likeRe: Ricks power level
59 likesSeason 4 went to greater lengths to show him losing, at least more than season 3. He almost dies to both zeus and birdperson, both times having to be saved by others. Unfortunately the show is being inconsistent with his power level to make these moments work, even disarming him to a boring ass fistfight with zeus.
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But it subverts your expectations every time, doesn't it?
4 likesMat Roqueta The show tries to subvert expectations so much and punish you for having expectations as a viewer that it doesnât even surprise me anymore. It just feels like a show with an identity crisis.
8 likes@Christian Alfaro K, stop watching if you don't enjoy it.
0 likes@Quirno Or don't watch to begin with, like I do, and watch videos on it instead just so you can have background noise.
1 likeYeah but remember how he literally can't die a few episodes befor? It was very strange to see him overcome death but than struggle with a stupid cyborg. I constantly thought: use your fucking tools idiot.
5 likesRoslina Tamold Nah
0 likesand in case someone says it, emotional stakes? there aren't any because the show hasnt put in the work to make you care about either of these moments
1 likeYohan Bosu no but he had to keep birdperson âsafeâ
0 likesNUT Their âemotional momentsâ are Rick with a frowny face at the end of an episode while an indie song plays in the background. Oh no, his girlfriend dumped him? He cloned his daughter? His friend died? That totally makes me feel bad for this asshole that killed an entire planet just to ruin his grandsonâs Netflix show pitch. âIâm a terrible fatherâ thatâs not even his original Beth.
1 like25:51 of course it's reddit
0 likesAre we ovethinking Rick and morty too much? Even though I took a massive break from the show and watched season 3 and 4 late (and don't remember how I felt about them) I thought when rewatching it that it was pretty consistent and really fun, and I feel like it fits the whole philosophy of the show pretty well...
68 likesI mean the show warns about nihillism but ultimately kind of still is, "Nothing really matters so why not just write fun stuff." The Pickle Rick episode had me laughing like a mf through and through and I don't see why it is a source of conflict, The therapist tells us how we are supposed to feel? I think it's the audience that choses to hear it that way or not, I just saw a therapist explaining her job to Rick who was being disrespectful.
And when you stop asking yourself too much questions or holding too much importance to the supposed teachings of the show, then you just start to have fun, then it makes your time worthwhile and then its existence ultimately matters, therefore critcizing pseudo nihilism.
I think the show has the right to not be that deep or smart sometimes, and Ironically it makes it even more profound in my opinion.
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Best comment hands down. Existing doesn't matter, but all that does matter is that you had a fun time
10 likes@Dave Just Dave people try to find meaning in things where none is intended.
0 likeslike contemporary art. put an umbrella at a gallery and someone... SOMEONE will take a picture, forming deep introspective analysis as to why it is art. when in reality, it's just a show meant to make you laugh.
You need to do evangelion...for no other reasom that i like your video style and want to see it lol
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Yes agree 100%
1 likeKnowing basically this entire video but retracing Rick and Mortyâs origin, reliving my high school experience with [adultswim] and Community and Channel101, staying up for both runs for the premiere of the pilot episode, and getting an EmpLemon video out of it is the best thing to ever happen this year.
3 likesSometimes I wonder what happened that made MatPat so universally maligned.
6 likesOne a more related note, great video. Makes me wish that more people fundamentaly understood critique so we wouldn't get so many "SU sucks and here's why" type videos.
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I remember hearing a lot about him right when his "sans is ness" video came out.
1 like@luxuriousmoth1 his vids start with a theory that far fetched and then make a ok point then he goes off the deep end a talks about nonsense and caps off the vid p.s the vid that made me stop watching his vids was the god awful hollow knight one that can be debunked with a single in-game image
1 like@sailor skj Mine was a couple years when he made a 2 different videos, 1 was supposed to be a ârealistic historical evaluationâ of a video game but he used video game logic and popular misconceptions that can be disproven with a simple YouTube search.
0 likesThe another one was his whole DS3 theory about the Unkindled Ash your playing as being the 3rd and final member of the Black Hand, despite the fact only one class you can select only has one of the requirements to have a chance of been an Black Hand, that class can dual-wields, which is a requirement but is missing a second item that you can wear called a Hunter Ring which all 3 members would be wearing as it increases dual-wielding damage and is only given to and worn by Hunters. And a member of the Black Hand would wear it as the Black Hand were the selected best Hunters out of the group, so all 3 would be wearing them.
The dragon episode is my favorite Rick & Morty episode out of spite towards the fandom.
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What episode??
0 likes@Not C9 Shnoopy basically, furry sex
5 likes@Cory the Norm whoa. That went straight over my head. Hahahahahah and I liked it to begin with. Now I gotta rewatch it for an added layer of tongue in cheek diss service lol
3 likesGood 4 u
2 likesThat episode actually wasnât the worst one. Wasnât great but I got through it
1 likegood ass video
0 likesThat ad read was the funniest shit Iâve ever seen. Good job emp
7 likesSeason 1 and 2 supremacy
0 likesI remember watching this new show Rick and Morty back in late 2013. I thought it was strange but entertaining. I assumed it would go down the same lane as China, IL another show on TV around the time. Never knew it would become this big. I only ever watched the 1st season and I think people overrate this show.
4 likesThis is why I love the Rick and Morty. I saw a show with big sci-fi elements with some slice of life mixed in and got so caught up in the spectacles and relatability that I never noticed the bigger pictures. I always feel like such an idiot when I watch a video and get this stuff pointed out to me but in a satisfying way.
3 likesOk I liked season 3
1 likeNgl anime fandom makes anime look bad
0 likesThe only reason I click on this video is because of the title
0 likesRE: the part about R&M really being a family drama about a dysfunctional family. Dan harmon had the same thing happen with community, a show about a group of outcasts coming together and finding themselves, becoming only about the wacky one-off homage episodes
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Dan was fired off of community after the first three seasons. Partially because the network wanted it to have a broader appeal.
0 likesA L how was what I said contrary to that? I watched the show I know what happened
0 likeskNoW yOuR hIsToRy
0 likesThe fortnite guy has a tv show Pog
2 likesI love how like halfway through this, his tempo changes and he starts breaking it down like an anime.
21 likesI still like pickle rick because it seems like rick is truly running from his family and he finally gets confronted
1 likeStill a mediocre way to continue the show though, yeah. Youâre right a lot Emplemon
âWelcome to the age of the fandom. Where the media you consume is fundamentally tied to your identity.â So fucking true today.
4 likesThe adult cartoon that has a plot of an american sit-com, why they keep doing that?
0 likesImagine this: season five starts with a compilation of season 3-4 only for morty to start screaming in bed and Jerry comes to comfort him tell him itâs all alright
15 likesIt was all a nightmare
Then we get a scene of rick playing Russian roulette and actually blowing his brains out title scene shows just âMortyâ
Or ya know just the nightmare thing that works too
poop rick lmaooo
0 likesIf rick and morty characterized adult swim in the 2010's, I hope smiling friends will help characterize it in the 2020's
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Drew Pruitt Thing is, Rick and Morty has indefinitely left its mark. Itâs marketable as fuck and a lot of the themes are relatable to a lot of people. Rick and Morty is to adult swim as spongebob is to Nickelodeon. Smiling friends is an awesome show show but it borderlines niche-internet animation humor. I do hope itâs given a fighting chance.
18 likesI hope they keep the hack frauds of Lightning Fast VCR repair around on that show too
4 likesThanks for introducing me to Smiling Friends. I needed that. I'm basically a Desmond at this point.
2 likesDamn, has there only been the pilot so far? No torrent results and no Wikipedia article. I need more of this.
1 likeSmiling Friends looks good, and Iâm sure Iâd like it, but itâs just more manic chaos internet âlol r4nd0mâ loud screeches and gore/psychological horror shock content thatâs funny or entertaining in small doses. I canât imagine that show having more than that niche appeal.
1 like@ddd I dunno, Family Guy seemed to catch on pretty well
1 likebushworld adventures is the best rick and morty
0 likesdownfall started season 3 but cracks were always there multiverse cable eps were dumb
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The first inter dimensional cable episode was good, but season 2âs sequel to the episode definitely fell flat. I think what mainly made me like the first inter dimensional cable though was how it delved into Beth and Jerryâs abandonment of Summer, and the show making a callback to Rick Potion #9 by having Morty use his experience in that episode as a vehicle to push Summer out of her funk. And the ending where Beth and Jerry reconcile was one of the most emotional moments of the show for me. But, yeah. I agree that the show went downhill in season 3.
0 likesnow maybe adult swim can give Million Dollar Extreme: World Peace the run it deserves
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Sam is pretty much blacklisted from the entertainment industry so that's never happening
7 likesHe can't keep getting away with it!
1 likeMorty will probably develop PTSD at some point đ„đđđ§ đ§ đ§ đ§ đ§
0 likesEmpLemon uploading is always a hit.
4 likesEmp lemon balding :)
0 likesPeople hate rick and morty?
0 likesThe thing we all have to look forward to is that Rick & Morty fans won't be reproducing so... There's that.
0 likesjesus christ why do people hate family guy so much, bird is the word!
0 likes26:20 finally someone calling weebs out remember kids no anime
0 likesWow you just made me really sad.
0 likesWOW ITS THE FORKKNIFE GUY
0 likesNo body has made these kind 9f videos adresing season 3 until pepole actualy got mad at season four every body loves season three so stop pertending you're a critic
0 likesAll I needed to never consider watching this show was the line;
28 likesâAm I evil?â
âNo, youâre smart.â
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It's a damn shame too, considering it's so much more than that.
4 likesJust think, some poor deluded teenager is going to make that their high school yearbook quote, too.
8 likesWhen i heard that line i cringed so hard i spat my sandwich out.
1 likebut the ignorant masses see the biproduct of intelligence as "evil". a smart person wants to obliterate all of reality because existing is pointless.
0 likesGrand Flex Johnson: John Jhon Jon Jonathan IV Really need to cut back on the reddit, partner
3 likesif you think i got it from reddit i didnt, i figured it out. noone agrees with me or says that, and reddit is just an echo chamber where the most popularly liked things float to the top.
0 likes@John Jon Jhon Johnathan Johnston Johnstar IV you do realsie that your the defination of a edgy teen who thinks joker quotes are "deep"
2 likesis that the guy from rick and morty
0 likesI usually donât like sci fi and I think itâs because I hate the made up jargon. Sometimes thereâll just be 5 minutes of dialogue and none of it makes actual sense. Feels like a cheap way to pad a story
0 likesmass hallucination, baby
2 likesIll education, baby
Want to reconnect with your elations
This is your station, baby
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Look inside these walls and you see them having withdrawals
2 likesOf a prisoner on his way
Trapped inside your desire
To fire bullets that stray
Track attire just tell you I'm tired and ran away
I should ask a choir, "What do you require
To sing a song that acquire me to have faith?"
As the record spin I should pray
For the record I recognize that I'm easily prey
I got ate alive yesterday
I got animosity building
It's probably big as a building
Me jumping off of the roof
Is just me playing it safe
But what am I supposed to do?
When the topic is red or blue
And you understand that I ain't
But know I'm accustomed to
Just a couple that look for trouble
And live in the street with rank
No better picture to paint than me walking from bible study
And called his homies because he had said he noticed my face
From a function that tooken place
They was wondering if I bang
Step on my neck and get blood on your Nike checks
I don't mind because one day you'll respect
The good kid, m.A.A.d. city
wiat what? O_o who hates rick and morty?
1 likeRick and Morty vs JoJo fandom. Same, different, what are your thoughts?
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I'm offended that I 100% agree with this
27 likessame and sad
39 likesIt wasn't as bad when I joined but I can tell it started getting worse around then so I guess it's my fault :^(
Aw shucks, idk
0 likesyikes but true
3 likesh
0 likeslove jojo, despise the fandom
22 likescancer vs cancer don't know which one is worse
23 likesIt's a shame JoJo is really enjoyable but damn did it get a bad fandom
52 likesI say not as bad as my hero academia fandom where they bully the creator for having "problematic " elements but just as annoying as r&m
Never was too interested in Jojo. It's something I MUST watch though, but when I see it everywhere, like Undertale in 2016, I sadly tend to grow comepletely uninterested in it. Saw the first JoJo tho, and I was in love. After that, I just took a break. Looking at the fandom outside, it's not too bad, but it's been getting to that point rapidly, overtime. Could be wrong, but that's how I always seen it. I'm just tired of looking at it shoved in everything.
9 likesSame in the sense that they both have insufferable fanbases. But I would say that's it. I'm not aware of JoJo fans influencing anything, or tainting the show's reputation.
20 likesCompletely different. Rick and Morty doesnât always focus on action, it focuses on character development. Jojoâs doesnât have too much character development and focuses more on the fighting and the complete and absolute bullshit absurd logic used during the fight scenes. I love both shows and I donât see too many flaws with both because Jojoâs doesnât need much character development and Rick and Morty doesnât need more action because theyâre a perfect balance of both.
2 likesWhen the JoJo fandom finds out there is a jojo exhibit at the Louvre they will destroy the place.
4 likesEvery fandom has toxic side. For most it's a loud minority... But even then, when there's a million fans of something, a ratio of 1:100 is still a big number from an outside perspective.
3 likesI feel the Rick and Morty fanbase is at least more self-contained, where the obnoxious part of the Jojo fandom will shoehorn it everywhere they can. It's to a point where "Is that a JoJo reference?" in itself is a meme
2 likesJojo is the most wholesome fandom in existence. People crapping about earrings in another show. Jojo has a nazi be part of the squad and no one raises a finger.
8 likesHonestly there is no good fandom. The truth about communities built around anything is quality vs quantity. The larger the following something has, the more diluted discussion around it becomes due to the need for mass appeal. The discussion around jojos was good back when it was the jojo community and not a fandom. The anime has functioned as a double edged sword, whilst its great to have one of the most influential mangas fully adapted in high quality with a great amount of care by a production company that has a deep love of the source material and is entirely focused on being as accurate to it as they can, it's also opened the floodgates to the more negative aspects of fandom. For ages the jojo community was seen as the best out of all anime communities because they didn't fall into the same traps that larger fandoms did, being a lot more insular and niche due to how unconventional the source material was compared to other anime and manga, however it became only a matter of time before that reputation was lost with jojos becoming just another trashy anime fandom. I think part of this is the people who break good communities into bad fandoms are the people who don't realize they are the problem, they rush to a niche community as soon as it receives a modicum of popularity, flood it with fanaticism, low quality content and discussion, ruin the reputation, then complain about how bad it's become and then move on to find the next community to ruin, perpetuating the cycle. A lot of the time this also comes from people who don't enjoy things for what they are, but rather try to force whatever they like through their preconceived notion to the detriment of anyone who doesn't share their worldview. This is best demonstrated with the far left who try to enforce a message of social justice into whatever media they consume, the more these kinds of people occupy a community the worse it gets. I think this phenomenon is best seen with the /r/shitpostcrusaders subreddit. Originally it was a pretty good quality meme subreddit, however, the infiltration of leftists with strong agendas on the mod team led to them enforcing stupid rules in the name of social justice which alienated the better content creators which harmed the subreddit massively when the quality was already in decline due to the higher quantity of low quality memes. It essentially functioned as a microchasm of the jojo fandom as a whole.
10 likesSame
0 likes@Captain Weekend
1 likeWhile I agree with most of your points, the one about the far left didn't sit right with me. While I agree that quite a bit of the radical left wing does that kind of thing, the radical right wing does the same shit. Radicalism in and of itself involves getting offended at things that don't match what you think and trying to force it anywhere you can.
@The Rat King I've yet to really see the radical right wholesale ruin a community like the far left has though. Typically people on the far right are more conservative when it comes to media, unlike the left they don't demand diversity quotas be met or races of characters be changed for the sake of being progressive, often whatever they will latch to they try to keep it from changing for better or worse. Usually right wingers are attracted to a community because they believe the source material shares its values, they will fight to keep it that way, but they don't typically try to force something to conform to their values.
11 likes@Captain Weekend while I haven't seen the right wing really ruin a community exactly, I have seen them get really mad at companies for making their protagonists women to be "progressive". While sometimes it is pandering, a lot of the time it's just what the writers want. Many people from both sides of the political spectrum hate properties for having certain genders/races as a leading/supporting role.
2 likes@The Rat King You're basically just reaffirming what I've said, the right fight to preserve media as it is, where as the left fight to change it to better suit their political agenda. Also it being "just what the writers want" is often because they share the same agenda as the radical left that tends to ruin these communities. You're trying to enforce the idea of horseshoe theory here when it doesn't work because both sides do not act in the same way. I don't sympathize with the far right but I can recognize in this scenario they are better at not ruining communities than the far left.
3 likes@Captain Weekend What I meant when I said that is that the characters are just like that because they are. If anything you've reaffirming what I said by just seeing what I said and saying that others want to reinforce an agenda. Sometimes things just are how they are because they are. Sometimes politics don't really matter, and both the left and right fail to see this all the time.
2 likes@Captain Weekend Okay, I thought you were gonna be cool about this, because you were before, but that's besides the point. First off, I'm not even left wing. I share more right beliefs than left. Second off, my point is that the right wing can ruin things by seeing agendas where there aren't. Let's say for example, there's a movie with a black woman lead. The right wing looks at it and sees an agenda. Then, they create a controversy. Now people see the property worse because of the controversy. Third off, I said that sometimes it is pandering because I wanted you to see that I think the left isn't perfect, but you see that as admitting I lost. I can share views with a party and not think that they're flawless. It honestly sounds like you can't take people saying that the right wing can be bad too.
2 likesI have never watched JoJo solely due to the annoying fanbase.
4 likes@Captain Weekend Okay, you've won. I haven't been able to think of anything. But that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
1 like@HaremKnight me too i was gonna give it a chance i even saw some clips of episodes but the fandom completely turned me off from the show.
2 likes@The Rat King
2 likesIt wasn't about winning?
@Ocean Planet My guy, winning an argument means that you sent your point across and proved the other point wrong. All arguments are about winning.
1 like@Sunny in a present, what will he do? Once you tune out the fandom, it's honestly pretty good. It's really the only anime I can stand to watch these days, and it's introduced me to bands and other music I wouldn't have known about or cared to look into more beforehand. As somebody who loves all the music references in all eight parts, it's worth looking back at if you want to give it another go if nothing else piques your interest in the moment.
1 like@samuel haines i literally wanted to watch the show until you said that
0 likes@Captain Weekend "they dont try to force things to conform to its values" you just havent lived in america since 1980 or ??????? conservatism has ALWAYS dominated what we can/cant show in the mainstream
3 likes@lotty last I checked it wasn't the 1980s, it's no longer the satanic panic with conservative bible thumpers trying to restrict freedom of expression, it's now lefties trying to control language and expression under the guise of anything they don't like is sexist/racist/homophobic, etc.
2 likesBoth shows seem to be fine but the fan base is so fucking annoying.
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0 likes@The Rat King I'm pretty sure you are referring to the skeptics community where alt-right wingers are against diversity and LGBT representation because they believe that progressivism will destroy the Western civilization. While I do understand that forced diversity as well as misrepresentation of LGBT are becoming problem in the entertainment industry nowadays, they immediately take the blame on minorities for being part of the "woke leftist propaganda" when there is no such thing as a propaganda. Like you said, if there is a black female lead, they'll freak out and complained about it that only white people should take the leave. Politics or not, bad movies can be really problematic when it comes to bad writing and poor acting skills. The "skeptic" community also complained that politics shouldn't be in any entertainment medium, but they bring some political debates that has nothing to do with the movies, TV shows, or video games.
3 likesThat's like one saying that the Animal Farm novel is "too political" when that's actually the whole point.
@Mr. Friendship Thank you for this, I was very tired when I was having this argument and you summed up what I wanted to say perfectly.
1 like@Mr. Friendship quiet lib.
0 likes@Pioxys i never eatched a undertale gameplay or played it yet i know EVERYTHING that happens
0 likesLuckily, JoJo is never going to be influenced by redditors
0 likesIt just depends. The people from JoJo who constantly reference garbage shitpost crusaders memes, for example the Kira monologue one, are the absolute worst. Although I will admit the monologue comment on the killer queen music video made me laugh. But the people who have been with the show for a long time are usually pretty cool. At least the fandom for jojo can't ruin the show.
0 likesWho got this recommended after *se5 ep8*and be like: @_@
0 likesDudes talking about this like it was fucking vietnam
0 likesI'm a huge fan of Rick and Morty... EXCEPT the pickle Rick episode. That by far was the most unfunny thing in the entire series and everyone paraded it around like it was so genius.
2 likesThey make amazing animations, never seen more detailed cartoons in my life ever.
7 likesgotta say the writing and analysis is superb. the accents with ESPRIT take it into another realm of enjoyability once thought impossible to me. awesome work. thank you!
0 likesAs someone who just got into the show this year, I have to say that I thought that Seasons 1 and 3 were the best while 2 and 4 were inconsistent. Knowing nothing about the show, I watched the first three episodes of season 3 on a plane and I didn't fully understand episodes 1 or 2. Pickle Rick wasn't only funny, but I at least got to see the family in a relatively normal situation. So say what you will about the episode, but at least it was easily accessible to a newcomer like myself.
0 likesSure, beginning the series at season 3 wasn't ideal, but I didn't exactly have a choice.
It's weird because I personally enjoyed season 3 more than 1 or 2. I thought it was the most consistently funny of the series, and Pickle Rick is probably my favorite episode of the show. Season 4 was hit and miss.
0 likes19:27 in the season 3 premier, he does posses the bodies of three separate Ricks, so itâs possible the third and final Rickâthe one from the main Council of the Citadel of Ricksâhad some body modifications and a fearless personality. Remember, Rick said that he lost his ability to improvise in a gromflomite he possessed earlier, so that means itâs possible for some personalities to be forgotten as well
0 likesWhen you're watching a random video in your recommended and realize halfway through it's probably because Gex was mentioned one time
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This is just like movie night at george cloonie's house
51 likesGEX NIGHT!
29 likesNote to self: don't drink tap water at Jerry Garcia's
38 likesnow THAT'S gex
6 likesWow! Gex!
1 likeITS GEX NIGHT BABY
3 likesIts even got the same jokes as gex
1 likeThank you, Gex Gecko
0 likesYou a Busta, Gex.
0 likesI haven't seen blasts like this since Taco Night at James Earl Jones' house!
1 likeI mostly disagree to be honest. Character development has still been pretty consistently good on Rick and Morty imo.
0 likesanyone who lets the "fandom" determine what they like or not are tools
4 likesAlthough I did like the Pickle Rick episode (which is basically one of 3 maybe 4 good episodes from season 3). I do like the hope you have for show towards the end of the video. And even Harmon seems to hint at this with his "more Emmy-worthy episodes" in coming seasons. Season 4 was half great.
0 likesI used to like the third season, now I like the first two more. I used to like the middle seasons of SpongeBob, now I like the first four more. Dammit these videos truly make me change my mind, you reveal so much meaning I missed!
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How much you enjoy something can change from how you think about it. If you decide ahead of time you will like/dislike something then you will probably like/dislike it. That can happen in hindsight as well.
0 likesThe writing team were a bunch of bro's. It was clear from every single frame. It was the output from a nerd frathouse. Unfortunately they caught the fucking "diversity" disease and felt they had to incorporate wahmins, which may or may not have something to do with Harmon's awful behavior towards a female staff member from another show he headed. And his following earned in full shame about the event. When you throw women into a frathouse party the dynamics change completely. And this goes both ways btw. Wahmin are just as fucking awful when they think nobody watches, throw a couple of guys in there and it falls flat on its ass.
2 likesI might catch hell for this, but I'm glad Dan Harmon is out of the picture. Rick and morty can be fun again
1 likeI've been thinking about this all day. And even if i kinda agree with you, theres is one part i dont. I think giving rick the feeling that Rick is "indestructible", the nothing matters in the universe feeling has a bigger effect to the viewer, reather than worrying about "is he gonna die in this episode" feeling. I think that the univers is a caotic place, and nothing mattters what we do, is a really good psycological feeling, and how this serie is showing us, but! The serie also shows that the universe is infinite and how fun is it to explore, and it dies worth explore and going on adventures, to find fun in it.
0 likesYou are a great art critic. Thanks for your aporte.
0 likesInteresting analysis which I much enjoyed. I always found fry from futurama very unsympathetic and basically a sociopath whereas Rick in his various incarnations is sympatheti and all too familiar.. Somehow morty is the heir to Arthur dent that he is not to me. Also who is to say Susan S was right about Rick? And whose mind is really under its own control? X File music...
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I meant morty is the heir that fry is not edit
0 likesFinally watched this. Is it me, or is the Rick from the pilot ep completely different from the rest of the show?
0 likesCould just be me, but that Rick seemed less "Rick" then the rest of the show. To be honest...I liked that Rick the most.
Ignorance is bliss, I had no idea about the maad fandom, so I can watch rick and morty in peace
1 like20 episodes in a 4 year span is pretty great by UK standards.
0 likesThe problem with nihilism is that it poses a problem without a solution. To ignore nihilist is to be willfuly stupid. To stay at it is to miss the point. The world really is without an inherent meaning. But you need it to function. So, what do you do? That is where the thought truly begins and diverges.
2 likesTo be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Rick and Morty. The humor is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of theoretical physics most of the jokes will go over a typical viewer's head. There's also Rick's nihilistic outlook, which is deftly woven into his characterisation - his personal philosophy draws heavily from Narodnaya Volya literature, for instance. The fans understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of these jokes, to realize that they're not just funny- they say something deep about LIFE. As a consequence people who dislike Rick and Morty truly ARE idiots- of course they wouldn't appreciate, for instance, the humour in Rick's existencial catchphrase "Wubba Lubba Dub Dub," which itself is a cryptic reference to Turgenev's Russian epic Fathers and Sons I'm smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion as Dan Harmon's genius unfolds itself on their television screens. What fools... how I pity them. đ And yes by the way, I DO have a Rick and Morty tattoo. And no, you cannot see it. It's for the ladies' eyes only- And even they have to demonstrate that they're within 5 IQ points of my own (preferably lower) beforehand.
1 likeThat Kendrick reference is Brilliant.
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Damn I mised something
1 like@Jay Sharp the title đđż
1 likei thought nobody said anything about it lol was looking for this comment
4 likesI avoided watching Rick and morty for a very long time because a majority of the people I encountered who were fans of the show, and would implore me to watch it, were extremely obnoxious about it. When I finally watched the show I did appreciate it and thought it was great and funny. However, I immediately felt that the fans over hype it, and also create this air around it like "you have to be intelligent to understand the show". Someone of my close friends who gave me this impression, who I have known for a long time and know very well, are quite possibly some of the least intelligent, and philosophically impotent people I've ever known. I realized that a lot of the actual depth and substance that exists in the show goes right over these hard-core fans heads, and most people who are obsessed with rick and morty really just like the crude parts, like when Rick is just drunk and ranting about nonsense.
0 likes8:08 MatPat does provide in another Rick and Morty Film Theory episode that his theory on Mr. Poopybutthole is not plausible by a long shot
0 likesGod dammit emplemon, your use of vaporwave is incredibly based.
1 likeamazing video, I absolutely agree with it
0 likesSeason 4 is pretty good. Wonder if season 5 can maintain that positivity
0 likesBasically the writers catered to the loud fandom and took several steps back with the show, but they could rise again.
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Yeah no checked season 4s first 2 episodes It sucked so god damn hard I don't think this will recover
0 likesTo be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Rick and Morty. The humor is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of theoretical physics most of the jokes will go over a typical viewer's head. There's also Rick's nihilistic outlook, which is deftly woven into his characterisation - his personal philosophy draws heavily fromNarodnaya Volya literature, for instance. The fans understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of these jokes, to realize that they're not just funny- they say something deep about LIFE. As a consequence people who dislike Rick and Morty truly ARE idiots- of course they wouldn't appreciate, for instance, the humour in Rick's existencial catchphrase "Wubba Lubba Dub Dub," which itself is a cryptic reference to Turgenev's Russian epic Fathers and Sons I'm smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion as Dan Harmon's genius unfolds itself on their television screens. What fools... how I pity them. đ And yes by the way, I DO have a Rick and Morty tattoo. And no, you cannot see it. It's for the ladies' eyes only- And even they have to demonstrate that they're within 5 IQ points of my own (preferably lower) beforehand.
0 likesI agree. Pickle Beth or Pickle Summer would have been far more interesting.
0 likesTo be fair, most shows peak in their first 2 seasons (HIMYM). South Park got around this by evolving. Breaking bad had a clear destination and was more like an episodic charecter study movie.
0 likesTo be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Rick and Morty. The humour is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of theoretical physics most of the jokes will go over a typical viewer's head. There's also Rick's nihilistic outlook, which is deftly woven into his characterisation- his personal philosophy draws heavily from Narodnaya Volya literature, for instance. The fans understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of these jokes, to realise that they're not just funny- they say something deep about LIFE. As a consequence people who dislike Rick & Morty truly ARE idiots- of course they wouldn't appreciate, for instance, the humour in Rick's existential catchphrase "Wubba Lubba Dub Dub," which itself is a cryptic reference to Turgenev's Russian epic Fathers and Sons. I'm smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion as Dan Harmon's genius wit unfolds itself on their television screens. What fools.. how I pity them. đ
0 likesAnd yes, by the way, i DO have a Rick & Morty tattoo. And no, you cannot see it. It's for the ladies' eyes only- and even then they have to demonstrate that they're within 5 IQ points of my own (preferably lower) beforehand. Nothin personnel kid đ
âPickle Rickâ is a great episode. People can be mad about its popularity and the memes. But the episode was very well received by fans and critics when it aired. Then yâall annoying âfansâ wanted to retroactively hate on it because of the memes and the hype. The episode did perhaps represent what should have been a shift in the series, one that the show wasnât ready to make. So, I guess in some ways the episode was a mistake. But the episode itself remains a standout, though perhaps it came too early in the series.
3 likesman summer nights was the perfect mood-setter track for this. excellent vid
0 likesMy favorite moment of this video is him ripping on film/game theory.
0 likesI remember seeing people getting Rick and Morty tattoos... dark times.
0 likes25:00 I mean, you're not too far off from the run of the mill parasocial relationship.
0 likesi watch rick and morty for the family drama, i hope they keep it
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Same. IIt's tough because I know Rick is never getting redeemed and the only possible ending I could want is him losing.
1 likeYet I love him so much. It's painful to care about the family like this.
Zero mention of how if it wasnât for regular show
1 likeRick and morty wouldnât exist
I still think Harmons best work was and still is season 3 of Community
0 likesdidnt even know this show had a fandom, and i watched it 5 times!
0 likesThat dunk on matpat is absolute gold
0 likesUnfortunately Nihilism gets a bad rep nowadays. The whole point is to realize nothing has INHERENT meaning so you can freely attribute meaning to whatever you want. It's not just about giving up because nothing matters.
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Lol yeah
0 likesThatâs not nihilism, thatâs existentialism
19 likesThat's not nihilism, that's either existentialism or absurdism.
6 likesLemmy put it in a way you people can understand: Nihilist is Doomer, Existentialist is Bloomer.
1 like@ultimadum blackpill/whitepill, bay-bee
0 likesImagine unironically calling yourself a nihilist
0 likesGoddammit ! I hate to be on the "against hiring women side" just because some ppl hire women for the wrong reasons ! This shouldnt be so hard !
0 likesYeah, some jokes require to have a basic understandment.
0 likesBut like futurama, for example.
The fact that so many fans of the show would not shut up about how smart you had to be anger me
I gotta say man. That final ep of Futurama, Shit made me cry
0 likesFor years and years I screamed about ratings and the idiocy of broadcast TV, way before I even had broadband I was saying, why are you cancelling this show, cos it only got 6 million viewers??!! That's a lot of people don't stop making it, just put in on the internet and make another show as well to satisfy the people who don't like this one.
0 likesIf there is one defining theme for those of us who were kids in the 90s it's regression to the mean and appeal to mediocrity, everything was aimed at the largest possible market, so it was all incredibly bland. Then something wonderful started to happen with the internet and cable TV and we got better shows, edgier shows, more experimental shows, I remember Watching Queer as Folk when I was 14 (I wasn't gay or at least didn't think so at the time, but I was fascinated by a glimpse at the lives of people who weren't Monica and Chandler). And that was great for a time but them as shows kept becoming more and more niche, communities formed around them, and suddenly we had people starting to complain about literally anything that was in their 5% preference bracket, like no one had ever thought them how to change the channel. and Now we're retroactively going back and sanitising even the 90s shows that absolutely everyone agreed were suitable for all audiences.
When I see these people going after racism and sexism and anti-LGBT bigotry etc. I always remember this time when my dad spent like 30 minutes trying to catch and kill and fly in the living room before realising it was actually just a water spot on his glasses.
What I'm trying to say is that there are undoubtedly still some occasional cases of these evils and I don't like them either (although I don't necessarily want them sanitised from my media either, I doubt all those WW2 movies I used to watch with the family would have had the same tone or message if the nazis had just been running around handing out flowers and candy). A lot of what people are pointing to and calling unacceptable now, was just the reality of the zeitgeist at the time. Would I agree with the very very over done anti-trans jokes in Ace Ventura if it were released today? No I wouldn't I think there's a way to handle an issue like that more sensitively while still finding humour in it. (A good example might be in Archer, when he falls in love with the Russian Assassin/Sex robot, and freaks the hell out when he finds her vagina soaking in the bathroom sink.) But I really don't care about moments of casual homophobia between Joey and Chandler, they were guys in their 20s in 90s New York, being single and on the market, trying to compete against models and movie stars, it made all guys like that, not homophobic, just a little insecure about if they were projecting themselves as being manly enough.
And even if you now in 2021 believe that displaying just behaviour or airing such opinions on television is wrong, well I'm sorry kiddo but it happened, we didn't make it up, sure it's a fictional show, but not set in a fictional universe, these were shows about how real identifiable people would cope in outlandish and absurd situations, while also trying to navigate through the random crap of every day life. And I think they taught a lot of us 90s kids how to grow up, before there was a need to invent the term "adulting".
Wow I went off on a tangent there. I suppose if I have any conclusion it's that TV needs to become more of an event again. We should schedule viewing parties (all nicely safely socially distanced using our oculus rifts) so we can sit in a virtual theatre or around a discussion table, and whisper to the person who is virtually sitting next to you, or yell at the screen loud enough for everyone to complain. The afterwards everyone can postmates or doordash or ubereats their favourite junk food, and nom away while discussing what just happened and what it might mean for the greater plot over a zoom call.
The second I saw the picture of Rick with the bald spot I knew it was add time
0 likesThe McDonaldâs pickle Rick guy was just trolling and making fun of the fans
0 likesSeems when Dan Harmon either lets off control or loses it the series' become worse off
0 likesI like the fact that Emplemon made a parody or film theory in a nutshell
1 likeMaybe it's time I start watching Rick and Morty... Never got into it
0 likesPickle Rick was hands down one of best episode. So no worries at all. More of that please.
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What made it good, for you?
0 likesI appreciate Rick and Morty (I don't but I see the appeal)
1 likebut Xavier Renegade Angel remains my favorite philosophy show. It was even more unique and had a really unique style of having to research or rewatch episodes to understand a few jokes for hardcore fans of course. Anyone interested even slightly in religion philosophy and stuff Rick and Morty explores, I can't recommend Xavier Renegade Angel enough.
13:17 That is strangely uplifting.
0 likesI really didnt care about the pickle rick episode as much. It was funny for what it was at the time andd i enjoyed it as the crazy shit that it was. What really hurt the show for me was more the point about rick becoming a god that turned me off in the long run. There was no tension at all in season 4. Season 4 felt like a bunch of unrelated ideas about what you could do with an immortal, cynical,crazy Professor than anything that the show was before. Also the story progression came to almost a full stop. Nothing really happened during the whole season. The show still has potential as it can revert at any moment and even retcon without any efford du to the whole multiverse theme. Hope the show comes back stong for season 5
0 likesI wasnât expecting the GeoWizard Wales straight line mission theme music. (9:47)
1 likeAt its core EmpLemon is a channel about a dysfunctional family
0 likesWhat Pickle Rick began, Szechuan Sauce ended
0 likesRest in Piss Dunning-Kruger: The Show
To this day, I only watch season 1 and 2. Havenât even touched season three and dare I watch season 4
0 likesRick and Morty was always supposed to be dumb humour (Roiland) with a dash of tv tropes (Harmon). It isn't genius. It isn't profound. It's funny. Regardless, I don't know another show I like which I'd be more embarrassed to admit so.
0 likesall the nihilism shit reminds me of a chunk of elder scrolls lore. CHIM is a form of godhood achieved when the person realizes the truth of the universe but continues to believe that things do matter. If the truth is realized and the person becomes a nihilist, they cease to exist. I fucking love how moral that shit is. Become a Vivec, not a Rick.
0 likesIâm still here waiting for Rick and morty season 5.
0 likesRick + Morty is much closer to Family Guy , than it is to Futurama.
0 likesIt is more like the "really" late night Adult Swim animation, but not really like Futurama.
34min video which cloud be simplified Down to two words. âPickle Rickâ
0 likesI am enjoying it brainlessly everything. With zero expections. Sı I wont dissapointed whatever happens. So Im cool with show
0 likesthat transition to "keeps" in the description was funny.
0 likesedit: just saw the transition in the video lol.
"my media need more nuance!" - dresses in pickle costume to explain point
0 likesFuturerama was a good show worth making a video about.
0 likesBoondocks was a good show worth making a video about.
But here we are giving more than half an hour to this thing lol.
Season 3 happened. The fanbase became a laughing stock after the high iq essay thing was posted and it became a trend to hate on it and since it went mainstream there were more people to hate
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I guess People just like taking things so seriously they use it as a propaganda rather than a message.
0 likesJust enjoy the show. Don't to on Reddit to post yourself doing soyface and holding merchandise.
0 likesRick and Morty getting popular made me realize I aged out of pop culture. I watched it and thoguht ah, aqua team hunger force was better. Next thing I know it blew up.
0 likesYo I didn't even realize that the pickle rick skit wasn't a skit and actually a sponsor
3 likes9:47 the geowizard theme made me lose my mind
0 likesi thought this was gonna be a rick and morty remix of good kid m.a.a.d city
0 likesI just watch rock and Morty just because Rick and I have a close personality
0 likesAnd I agree with Rick, humans are a PEICE of ...... hmmm
I need a long think..... give me a sec
The is the first non-geoguesser video Iâve seen on YouTube using his music. I love it!
2 likesFemale writers really did help ruin it though
1 like19:48 that aged poorly
0 likesWhy did I think this was gonna be a Lofi mixtap of Rick and Morty remixes
0 likesevery time I'm in the streets I hear
0 likesP I C K L E R I C K
Did Rick become... flanderized?
0 likesAll the good shows and games get the worst fandoms. Think of Undertale and, well, Rick and Morty. Itâs a little saddening. The Nihilist part of the show is self aware and I think discourages Nihilism.
0 likesI have already abandonded my universe entirely.
0 likesJJBA: Excellent series, but fans can be a little crazy sometimes.
0 likesThatâs a big part of the show that they become more like Rick more depressed and never learn from their mistakes they donât actually learn until season 4 finale
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But I do agree with his points
0 likesSame as how they slip political shit in there
0 likesI think Rick And Morty is being looked at something it isnât. Itâs just a dumb show with good writing and all these character arcs and all this world building you want from it I donât believe is what the show is about
0 likesthat song at 2:50 made me want to go back and replay super mario odyssey
0 likesHOLY CRAP MORTY RUN MORTY IVE NEVER SEEN THAT THING BEFORE MORTY RUN
0 likesFor me it just get better with times
0 likesFnaf, Mha, Homestuck, Supernatural, undertale, Kpop were all destroyed by their outrageous fandoms
0 likesSmack dab adding more workers into a project usually slows down said project. Regardless of gender or whatever.
0 likesfunniest thing ive ever seen
0 likesMaybe itâs just because the kids at my highschool that liked it, but I really never saw the appeal of the show, Iâve had friends show me episodes and scenes and it never really clicked idk why everyone else seems to love it
1 likelol bro youre smoooooooooth the way you slipped in that sponsorship!! i fuck with that forreal forreal
0 likesPickle Rick Haters (including EmpLemon): WAH WAH WAH WAH WAH WAH
0 likesMan, I miss the days when season 3 was considered subpar. Season 4 wasn't very good, and then the second part was actually BAD. I had never seen a bad Rick and Morty episode before, and all of a sudden every episode pretty much sucked. There are a hundred reasons for it, poor pacing (train episode), recycled arks (I fucked a planet is awfully similar to the I fucked a hivemind that controls a planet), poorly used refrences in medium that's not built for it (the occasional mention of something like reddit was tolerable, saying we "are gonna do a star wars" is summarizing your whole episode in a shit package), and actual product shilling in an episode. I knew something was going to go wrong when I started seeing the Rick and Morty comercials for Pringles and Wendy's. Granted, they were interesting comercials that didn't even seem like commercials (portraying pringles as a souless corperation and Wendy's as a pack of thugs isn't great brand association), but makeing that connection was off putting. And when they basically put an ad for fucking WRANGLER JEANS as the sole solution to the bad guy I realized the show was fucked
0 likesI like love the old Gran Turismo in the background lmao đđ€Łđ€Ł
0 likesNgl, Iâm quite offended youâre comparing Rick and Morty to freaking Futurama, the best animated show of all time lol
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i found rick and morty so good because they didnt shit on women every second lmao
0 likesThey had the cheek to make fun of The Simpsons, Family Guy and American Dad for getting bad but Jesus Rick and Morty barely lasted 23 episodes.
0 likes7:35 your just saying the 'to be fair, you have to have a very high IQ' copypasta with different words
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He's not saying the fans aren't smart enough to get it. Just that they're going in with the wrong expectations, and so are having a different experience. It was made as a dysfunctional family show, and instead got treated as sci-fi action comedy so much, that's what it became, killing it in the process.
0 likesLOVE RICK AND MORTY!!
0 likesPICKLE RICK!!!!!!
Hopefully the popularity dying down will mean season 5 will be a big improvement.
0 likesSaying that Star Wars is about dysfunctional family is just laughably wrong. The first Star wars movie had almost no family in it, and look at how popular it was when it first aired. The family stuff was added in the sequel Empire strikes back, and it was only to shock the audience with a plot twist. The only one of the original trilogy that had any family theme at all (and even that was in the background) was the Return of the Jedi.
0 likesCouldn't watch this show past the pilot. Am I a weirdo? I never saw the appeal lol
0 likesGreat breakdown
0 likesThe show is good, the fandom and attention it got during its peak was not good and pushes me away from wanting to associate with it. Same thing with Undertale and other similar fandoms. Undertale is a PHENOMENAL game but the fandom is very cringey.
0 likesWait people hate the show?
0 likesMario Odyssey Steam Garden OST is catchy AF
4 likesOn Omegle I just goof around with my friends and talk to random people while making stupid jokes. I started wearing a pickle costume, not Pickle Rick, just a normal, everyday pickle. I cant tell you how many times Ive been called âPickle Rickâ. At least 90% of the hundreds of people that Ive met called me that at first glance. It concerned me because it made me realize how far the intellectual comedy of Rick and Morty had fallen since the episode.
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It concerned me because it made me realize how far the intellectual comedy of Rick and Morty had fallen since the episode.
0 likesOn Omegle ... I started wearing a pickle costume, not Pickle Rick, just a normal, everyday pickle.
@Krystal Myth shhhh...
0 likes@_*ZAPATOZ*_ xD
0 likesMost shoes jump the shark
0 likesRick and Morty pickled the Rick
I love Rick and Morty. I hate the fans and I hate how much they overrate the intelligence of the show. The only truly intelligent episode was the one with the train in the most recent season.
0 likesI like your choice to make Lisa Simpson blue and skin colored in this video, but I totally recommend going back to green for your future content. It might be off-putting to new-coming fans.
0 likesSo obviously this will get buried, but I have suggestion to mane sense of your claim that season 3 feels aimless. This show is actually from the perspective of Morty, and season 3 is his final loss of innocence and coming of age when he truly sees his hero for the flawed human he is. It hits harder with his parents divorce. All of the traits that you claim make season 3 undesirably "less than', when viewed through this lens, make it feel like a more whole part of the overarching story. This is just from an unwavering fan looking to rationalize the criticism, though. I have not experienced any disappointment with this show, but I also understand how others have. Great deep dive, thanks for the vid
0 likesThis is totally unrelated but fuck i wish they made a cartoon where each episode was different animation style if crews were used in a cycle to keep every episode a different look and if done right i think it would differ from anything else since theyre not relying on a style it would take creativty and be more difficult which would honestly be so much more entertaining then jus like throwin on full house or sum shit
0 likes25:50 PAUSE AND READ IT
0 likesRick Sanchez =light Yagami
0 likesWait, people hate Rick and Morty? Oh and people donât like the pickle Rick episode too now? I obviously travel in different circles lol
0 likesnoooo don't turn me into a marketable plushie
0 likesfunko pop rick & pickle rick
0:20 futurama didnt end networks just dont broadcast it. The next episode after the "series finale" is s01e01.
0 likesWhen I heard about the riots I was out
0 likesWE ARE HAPPY LANDFILL
0 likesWE ARE HAPPY LANDFILL
ALRIGHT
yeah, you^re dead wrong about season three
0 likes12:35 = "Fuk Yuen Hot Pot Seafood Restaurant" or "Fuck You in Hot Pot Seafood Restaurant"?
0 likesThese are the true questions at play here.
That Grand Turismo 3 music đ
1 likeAyy that intro song was the sample that was used in that Wifisfuneral song Highway To Hell
0 likesDaddy Emperor not gonna like this...
0 likesRule 34 got them good.
0 likesWhatâs the name of the song you play at the credits
0 likesBest fucking ad ever.
0 likesso the film the- I mean cinematic hypothesis section was just an ad?
0 likesâItâs about family and that is whatâs so powerful about itâ -Carrie Fisher RIP
69 likesI feel like this whole "fandom influencing media" thing isn't exclusive to Rick & Morty. I feel like I've noticed some parallels between your conclusions and the From Software's Dark Souls game series.
69 likesDark Souls was not designed to be a hard game. The creators just longed for the old days when RPGs didn't aggressively hold the players hand, like they were in recent games. The fact that Dark Souls gained the reputation of being a hard and unforgiving game was an accidental byproduct of its core design philosophy. In fact once you get a feel for the game and learn all the game's basic mechanics, Dark Souls is actually pretty easy and very forgiving. Yet that reputation and resulting marketing push attracted a loyal, vocal, and elitist fanbase that grew large enough to warrant a Dark Souls sequel. This is the first 2 seasons of R&M.
Dark Souls 2 was hard and unforgiving by design and it still splits the fandom to this very day. This is seasons 3 and 4 of R&M. A piece of media catering to the desires of a fanbase where many had gravely misinterpreted why they loved that piece of media to begin with. An interpretation they held until that piece of media actually became what the fandom had originally interpreted it as.
Dark Souls 3 was a return to form for the trilogy and is almost as universally loved as Dark Souls 1 among the fandom. Even if some people note its lack of ambition, noting that the game seems to be trying too hard to be Dark Souls 1 instead of a proper sequel. The fandom has really mellowed out too, They're practically the exact opposite in 2020 compared who they were in 2013 and who their reputation still proclaims them to be. The wider culture around From Software has basically trapped them into the niche of "that company that makes hard videogames". This is what R&M might become in season 5.
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Wasn't the main problem with DS2 was because the director of 1 and 3 was making Bloodborne, so they got some other guy to do it?
0 likesI hugely disagree, the biggest issue with DS2 wasn't that it was unforgivable, the issue here is that DS2 was unfair and brutal for all the wrongs reasons. DS1 was hard but a fair challenges, it never put you in a small room with 30 ennemies all at once, DS2 level design is mostly tight and small corridor which does not help the gameplay at all, making it feel cheap and relied on luck sometimes. No matter your opinion on DS3, it was way more in-line with what ds1 was, also DS2 did not have the same director so they had very differents vision on what game design is, that's why it's so drastically opposite to miyazaki other projects on a core level (sekiro demon souls DS1/3 and bloodborne)
0 likesAnd before the classic DS2 fans tell me to git gud, i literally got the platinum trophy
@Daniel Silva Yeah that's why the core design philosophy of DS2 was so different than 1. DS1 was mostly one man's vision and he handed the reigns over to someone else.
0 likesBy all rights DS2 is a good game, there's really nothing wrong with it. The game was just taken in a direction the new director was led to believe the fans wanted by the community and the marketing. But it turned out that most of the fans didn't know what they actually wanted.
Then why do I find dark souls 2 combat far easier and more methodical than 1 or 3, despite playing all 3 multiple times...?
1 like33:06 same here!!
0 likesI'm glad you step your YTPs aside, this part of yours is way more entertaining and interesting, looking forward for your next video!
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Can't wait till he comes out as beauty blogger
0 likesSeason 3 is the same as chance 3
0 likesNow draw Xavier renegade angel eating babies
0 likesFunny how all that talk of adult swim handing the reigns to the artists and creators was in the past tense
19 likescough cough world peace cough
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MDE never dies
1 likeI just like see pickle man shoot laser at uzi man.
0 likesI love how Emp Lemon uses a lot of Gran Turismo tracks.
22 likesI used to play them when I was a kid and it sparks nostalgia.
I remember being disappointed by season three the further it went on (though I really like the Ricklantis episode).
3 likesManic Anti-Hero Attachment Disorder is a good concept explaining this. I also think Roiland & Harmon became too concurrent with pop culture, and it's really noticeable between season 2 & 3 with the references and plot ideas driving every episode.
It seems they became overly attuned to the current pop and underground culture opinions of the
show, and it heavily influenced the plot/character outcomes, on top of adapting to mounting popularity and network demands.
I finally got around to watching season 4 ep 1 weeks ago and was disappointed, but this video gives me hope it can get better.
P.s. Yes, good choice on the MAAD acronym intro with We Are Happy Landfill, UwU.
Whatâs the music at 14:57 that hit me with a wave of nostalgia...?? Was it music from Sky TV or tony hawk?
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Pretty sure it's the main menu music from Tony Hawk 1
0 likesThe therapy scene comes off more to me as a juxtaposition between the absolute cartoony madness of the Pickle Rick adventure and having him drag his decaying pickle body into the family therapy session only to be completely deconstructed verbally. I think it's meant to be way heavy handed and too on the nose. Rick tries to shrug it off, but by the end of Season 4 it's clear that he already knew thia about himself and just couldn't admit it.
11 likesRick can survive his wacky sci-fi nonsense, but the real world is what actually hurts him.
But I can see how it comes off as being condescending on the part of the writers
To pimp a morty
0 likesRick and Morty had less "viewers" but I bet more people actually ended up watching it with piracy and streaming services
12 likesEmpLemon selling bald preventing medication was the 2020 twist I didnt expect
7 likesA Never Ever video on Avatar: The Last Airbender would be the hypest shit
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True that show was really special
16 likes@HeianAlien looking forward to the bastardised live action Netflix version. I think E;R may actually commit sudoku over it.
14 likesHoly shit I need this
0 likesSame with bojack horseman Its only been a few months and I already miss it đ„
7 likesyessss that and Avatar and my favourite shows
0 likesi never seen it
0 likes@Dave Radman well I would recommend it (obviously)
0 likesShould I watch that show or is it bad?
0 likes@Caco Mellucci Since itâs recent spike in popularity itâs gotten a bad image from insufferable fans, however the show itself is really good.
0 likes7:52 out of witch rick and morty episoode is this?
0 likesThere's a season 4?
0 likesIdc what anyone says, Rick and Morty is one of the funniest shows I've ever seen.
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Rick and Morty comes in second place for funny TV shows. Golden age Simpsons and Boondocks are also my favorite shows.
3 likes@NickWasNotHere yea Simpsons Seasons 2-8 were straight đ„.
2 likes@NickWasNotHere whats your #1 then?
0 likes@Papa's Scooperia Worker In general, Breaking Bad. In comedy, the Simpsons
3 likes@NickWasNotHere breaking bad is not a comedy
1 like@Louzy ik its not. Its my fav show in general
1 likeSame here bro shows fucking hilarious the problem starts when people start trying to act like Albert Einstein to others just because they watch the show and others donât enjoy it
2 likes@NickWasNotHere fuck yes boondocks is one of my favorite shows ever. that and chapelles show. Those comedy shows in the 2000's were just so damn good.
0 likesI think it's THE funniest. Not since the first classic run of the Simpsons would a show on tv find me laughing out loud many times
2 likespickle drip
0 likesI donât even like the SHOW anymore. I donât wanna see a pathetic sociopathic old man abuse people around him
0 likesI kid you not he's on a Downword spiral his name is Emp Lemon funniest shit I've ever seen
43 likesWe not go talk about the Kendrick Lamar reference in the title of the video
0 likesI feel like this finally put words to why I kinda stopped enjoying the show.
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Wel too be fair, you have to have a pretty high IQ to understand it.
3 likesJK
"Im Pickle Rick!" is the 2010s "Im Rick James, Bitch!".
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theyre both ricks
1 likeYeah actually this is pretty fucking spot on
2 likesBEWARE the coming of the THIRD RICK
0 likesStill not as good as aqua teen or boondocks
0 likesGOAT title
0 likesNew Emplemon video
70 likes"My day just got a lot better"
I feel like anyone that is "intelligent" knows fandoms are an idiot thing
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It's a way for people to engage in tribal behavior, same as pro sports, politics, and religion. Intelligence isn't mutually exclusive with those, but people who have less willpower and self-sufficiency will naturally feel comforted by participating as a follower, and those with high willpower and self-sufficiency won't need that emotional support so will participate more on the fringe. And the latter, if clever and ambitious, tend to lead if they choose to become embroiled.
11 likesSo for example in a cult, gullible weak people will be subjugated and their use of intelligence blunted, while those who think for themselves will be excluded by the clear-headed leadership. The result is that the cultists seem like stupid cows and the leaders seem like genius supervillains. It's a combination of a sorting process and people enjoying playing their roles.
@Googie Gress it's like that effect that I forgot the name but is basically when you think you know something very well but you probably dont
0 likes@12 21 Dunning-Kruger was debunked. It's a statistical fluke that appears in any data organized the same way, even random noise. I know, it's hard, because I desperately want it to be true too. If it helps, some 5% of people actually suffer from the effect, but 95% aren't, so it's more like 5% of people are dense in this way instead of everyone. But maybe your boss is one of the 5%!
2 likes@///////////// Your understanding is shallow, right now at least. I encourage you to keep working at it.
1 like@Googie Gress It's just the way of things, i'm scared of what will come when that change, because someone is working really hard to kill what is left of humanity.
1 likeWell to be fair you need to have a really high, Galaxy Brain IQ to enjoy a fandom
0 likes@Googie Gress You shouldn't generalize. Correlation and causalities are not the same. Does anyone who is smart has to have a leader role? Can't a smart person enjoy being part of a group and having discussions?
1 like@Googie Gress huh, you know you kinda sound like the stereotypical Rick and Morty fan, ironic
2 likes@Reismehl You'll find, if you read my comment, that I don't disagree with you. Being smart is not the same thing as being strong-willed and independent.
0 likes@Cabreeziest Irony is a part of life.
0 likesJudas murdered Jesus. Should we blame Jesus or his disciple?
0 likesI have already learned "the main lesson" of this video by myself long time ago. Many fandoms before Rick and Morty have had the same effect, but if anything unique in Rick and Morty, it's seeing that effect (more) in real world than usually. I would not enjoy undertale if I cared about it's cringy fandom more than none I already do, and this applies to many things. I applied this logic even to Rick and Morty before I felt it's last season had grown weaker possibly for those fans, instead of me and my kin in fandom.
5 likesFandoms just generally become like unregulated churches (this means also; Self Regulation etc.) - you get loads of zealous people over their fanaticism riling each other into new heights.
Okay... But the Gran Turismo music though.
0 likesYeah, the fandom for this show makes me pretty hesitant to mention I watch it a lot of times.
6 likesLike in a twitch stream I wasnât aware of how toxic the fans were and I mentioned I liked the show and the response was people treating me like Iâm one of the toxic fans because I enjoy watching the show.
A similar thing happens at anime conventions if I mention I played sports in school or, heaven forbid, they discover I played 6 of them.
Often times people hear about something you enjoy and their reaction is to stereotype you as being like the negative toxic people theyâve met whoâre into that. Like if I assumed every league of legends player had anger issues and is a toxic human being because the ones I know personally are kinda like that.
Rick and Morty could have become as big as the Simpson if they could have pumped out more episodes
6 likesXavier Renegade Angel is a deeper and smarter show
76 likesâWhat doth lifeâ
-Xavier
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True dat
2 likesDon't forget Neon Joe, Werewolf Hunter
1 like"Hee-Yump"
-Neon Joe, Werewolf Hunter
I wholeheartedly agree.
1 likeI'm about 7 minutes in, and something has been realized by me.
25 likesI've been watching your channel for years now. You are a genius when it comes to understanding stuff. That's the best way I can put it.
I'm not saying you are Albert Einstein, but I kind of am. You're the Albert Einstein of Media and culture.
Every time I watch a video you put out I often gain insight. I don't think any other channel has consistently given any interesting perspective into things I never thought I would care about till now.
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To be fair, you have to have a pretty high IQ to understand emp lemon
13 likesEinstein is a plagiarist
0 likescringe
6 likes@Kyrem 12 duh, bringe!
2 likesThe smartest user on YouTube.
0 likesPls talk about Xavier renegade angle that show was like a fever dream
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that thing is so weird
7 likesthat thing was so weird it was great
3 likesI know this show just from the do you belive in God clip
1 like12 oz. Mouse, Xaiver Renegade. Tender Touches, Gemusetto Machu Picchu, Etc. Adult Swim is a zeitgeist of cool werid shit
4 likesI'm scared on the fact that you bought and own a pickle Rick suit
31 likesi think the praying mantis episode actually ruined the series long term, as it kinda fucked up the whole family dynamic
1 likeAdult Swim put Rick and Morty in limbo because Adult Swim hates having good shows. See: Metalocalypse, ATHF, Futurama, and others.
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What are you talking about they renewed it for like a hundred more episodes?
20 likes@officialARMYclan It was in limbo when it was at peak popularity though.
68 likesDon't forget World Peace
48 likesThis might be the most ignorant comment ive ever seen
42 likesThe fact metalocalypse was denied even a final season should have adult swim tried for war crimes against humanity.
73 likesWe were truly robbed of closure with that one
1 like@Jack Caboose MDE never dies
11 likes@ĐĐŸŃŃĐ°ĐœŃĐ° MDE never dies
11 likesVenture Bros, One of, If Not THE best show from Adult Swim with a small and extremely loyal and devoted audience, Recently got cancelled and it was such a good fucking show. Hopefully HBOMax picks it up like how they did with Adventure Time,
26 likesUmmm... Eric Andre? Robot Chicken? Family Guy?
4 likesNerdism Family guy ainât good.
21 likes@xXMisguidedMismanagementXx
5 likesMr.Pickles also sucked
futurama's rating told the executives to renew the shows to give it a true ending
0 likesaqua teen hunger force was on the air for 15 years
4 likes@xXMisguidedMismanagementXx
5 likesEhhh I wouldn't put mr pickles on the same page as the other shows mentioned here
@Staringcorgi6
0 likesWith many spin offs
No wonder Venture Brothers got cancelled. Christ man, Adult Swim has really gone downhill.
1 like@Graf von Tirol was it ever uphill? Itâs more like an abyss. Just staring into you. Waiting for you to make a move.
1 likeJust wish we got those other 2 moral orel seasons. Honestly was one of the most impactful shows I've seen. Adult swim does seem to cut off their great shows early.
1 like@Koon Toons Your comment might be the most ignorant comment i've ever seen.
0 likes@CZsWorld Because they were animating it?
0 likes@Koon Toons ben
0 likes@Nerdism ok the rest are good but family guy? Come on bro.. it was good but sure as hell isn't now
0 likes@đ đđđđđđ Honestly the newest episodes are actually pretty good as far as story and humor goes. Certainly not amazing, but definitely better than 10 years ago.
0 likes@Nerdism imo the ones before the modern look were the best.
0 likes@đ đđđđđđ Personally I think itâs getting better now. Itâs not as good as when it first premiered, but itâs better than before.
1 likeI'll never forgive them for only giving Saul of the Mole Men a single season, not giving The Big O a third season and only ever doing a pilot for Korgoth of Barbaria.
1 likeSeason 4 legit starting going full blown gay, creepy gay at that.
0 likesIt's.............. it's always been
0 likesFamily
That skit in the middle is the whole fandom in a nutshell. The bad ones of course.
6 likesgenius title
0 likesToo bad that little worm Tim Heidecker got MDE: World Peace cancelled.
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For real
2 likesSeinfeld fans: older than me and probably white. Maybe 80% men. Mostly American.
0 likeslook bro i just think the protag is hot ok thats it
0 likesI watched about 4 episodes. I spent more time counting how many times the old guy burped cause it was a cover for him knowing the guy he was taking to. Found out later that is exactly the reason.
4 likes7:28 Gran Turismo 3 - Light Velocity
0 likesuse that fucking seinwave song 1 more time i dare u
0 likess5 is lit
0 likesWhat is the song playing around 3 minute mark please?
0 likesSeason one: Underrated
43 likesSeason two: Attention it deserves
Season three: Overrated
Season four: Do they really care anymore?
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Yeah, that's how I would rate it. There were some good episodes in season 4, but they were a lot more bad ones that ruin the season for me.
2 likesSeason four was great.
2 likesSeason Five: Why?
0 likes@Chat-Mort My iq may just not be high enough
1 likeGreat examples of fandom toxicity but leave BTS outta this
0 likescame because i found him in fortnite
0 likesWell, the central finite curve is over, so don't worry there exists no playground anymore. Welcome to the jungle pinga
0 likesWhy are the Simpsons all green? Is it a copyright thing?
0 likesLiked, subscribed, turned on the bell, and donated my life savings because you played the funny pickle Rick clip
6 likesIt is true that nothing has any real inherent meaning, but as humans, we require meaning for true fulfillment, thus we are liberated by the fact that there is no real meaning, because we can attribute meaning to anything.
0 likesRick an Motry amogus
0 likesAnd them season 5 it's absolutely terrible.God dammit this series is never going to return to the same quality of the first two seasons.
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what do you want them to do?
1 likeDamn I thought this was a trap-mix. A kendrick and rick and morty mashup.
0 likesThe subreddit is an absolute heck hole. Literaly every other post there is left wing political stuff with the people thinking their political opinions are 500iq intelligence.
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The fanbase is even atrocious when they at least know it.
7 likes1st rule is never go to a subreddit of any fandom its all circlejerk
42 likesYeah that sounds like reddit
26 likesreddit in a nutshell
16 likesWhat these people don't get is that Rick's character was meant to satirize the "tfw to inteligent genius who gets away with being an asshole cuz he's so smart" trope. Although after the last two seasons I am not sure if the writers of the show realize that either.
5 likesReddit is the home of some of the saddest individuals around.
19 likesReddit is just a leftist circlejerk
16 likesThere is no individuality on reddit
There is only the hive mind
r/177013 is pretty wholesome considering the sad story it's centred around.
1 like@TapOnX bruh the last episode was literally about rick losing all the respect his family had for him, wtf are you on about lmao have you even watched the show?
0 likes@Snufkin the leftist hivemind of reddit, infamous for progressive spaces such as r/the_donald and r/dankmemes
7 likes@aliensatemeout
12 likesDidn't the first group get banned?
@The Boss Stage1 it did
7 likes@aliensatemeout that moment when you think dankmemes isn't left wing hellhole đ
14 likes@aliensatemeout first of all the donald trump reddit got locked or something so nobody got it as reccomended and dank memes on reddit arent dank to start with
10 likesReddit just finds memes on some site like instagram or apps like discord and then claims them and later kills the stolen meme by overusing it to irrelevance
Oh yeah forgot to add that reddit has a plethora of witch hunts for anyone that has a different world view than the mob
Different perspectives are always removed by mods or downvoted to hell all while getting death threats and people trying to dox you
Lovely progressive place isnt it ?
UUURP IM PICKLE RICK UUURP NOTHING MATTERS UUURP BRAAAP IM PICKLE BRAAAAP UUURP BRAAP
1 likeAll the right wingers have migrated to Ruqqus, a Reddit clone, which is basically just the opposite. It's a right-wing circlejerk.
7 likesâ@aliensatemeout The main plot is OK and it's a generally a decent show overall, but so many of the newer episodes are basically power fantasies where Rick can do anything he wants, because he is so strong and awesome and smart and always knows what's going on and teaches everyone else a lesson. Plus, too many 4th wall breaks are annoying, a show needs to earn that.
1 like@TapOnX The show became as pretentious as the copypasta.
0 likeswent to check your claim and after scrolling through ~100 posts sorted by new i couldn't see anything like this. either you saw 2 posts like this and blew it so out of proportion it's a downright lie or your like baiting.
0 likes@ImmaLittlePip
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Edit: Thanks for the gold stranger.
@Crumbles shouldve clarified I meant front page posts on the sub. I've seen more posts bashing the police than I can count lol
1 likeI turned myself into a redditor, Morty! I'm reddit Riiiiiiick! (Kill me now.)
1 like>reddit
1 like>left wing
what did you expect?
@Shitlord They wouldn't have gone if the leftists in charge didn't go all psycho with the banhammer.
1 likeâ@Clickbait37seeing how much police brutality has been going on during protests the police definitely deserve some bashing no matter your point on the political spectrum.
0 likes@Crumbles I'm talking the sort of bashing that femonises all cops, and it shouldnt matter because those politics shouldnt be on a non political sub
0 likes@Clickbait37 you right, you right
0 likes@The Boss Stage1 they also banned many communist subreddits too
0 likesItS tHe GuY fRoM fOrTnItE
0 likes15:15 - 17:01
0 likesI stoped watching after s3 and never returned...
0 likesWhat is the song at 18:00?
0 likesGood kid m.A.A.d city reference hell yeaaaaah love you bro â€ïž
7 likesNow heâs in Fortnite
0 likesAnd now half of season 5 has aired and its looking to be the worst one yet with all the aforementioned issues being exacerbated.
4 likesI love the way you can put my feeling into words. This is pretty much what I think about R&M to this day. I miss the best seasons, but at the same time I don't think the new ones are hot garbage as many ppl like to say. I always thought something was off but never knew why or what. This sums up it all. Again, you always do an amazin job emp. Fucking legend.
2 likesStill love this show. Will continue to love it and looking forward to future seasons
1 likevery interesting video dude, very well reasoned and made me think of the show in a different light, appreciate it very much, thanks for the effort :)
0 likesthis is a flawless analysis of Rick and Morty. Exceptionally well done, thanks!
1 likei really hope they can bring it back, season 4 could be a great starting point if they do it right
0 likesBinged the entire show recently, and I loved all of it with a passion, even the newest seasons
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I feel the best way to watch a show without getting disappointed as the seasons go on, is to binge watch it after the show ends
0 likesSeason 3 was my favorite season for some of the reason's. For example I really enjoyed the scene with the therapist. I don't think It was as closed as you made it out to be in this video. Rick and Beth completely disregarded though. I do agree that as the show as gone on it does feel more aimless. I would love the evil Morty plot explored for example. Not just shown and then never brought up until the characters relevancy plummits . Just for my personal taste it's so cruel to tease a great character like evil morty and then give characters like Tammy way more screen time in the newest episodes.
0 likesYou know, having watched this video some time after (the second half of) Season 4, as well as Harmond's and Roiland's commentary on Season 4, it seems S4 was a complete 180 from S3. This is, it completely isoleted itself from the fandom and the writers did what they wanted.
0 likesNo, people aren't upset at the fact that they took away the mystique of Rick, people are upset that when they learned the truth about Rick, all of their delusions of the character were dispelled.
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The hell? That's the same thing.
2 likes@Caercutta30
3 likesYa know... It took me re-reading what I said to realize.... That you are in fact correct... đ
Film Theory can still be good, it just messes up sometimes.
1 likeI think the third season is excellent, I am sort of surprised that you mentioned the show not being fundamentally about nihilism, and then later pointing out: sheesh it feels like the whole show is about nihilism all of a sudden in season 3! Thatâs the point I think! Itâs not a show about Rick being vulnerable and having to fight fair. It doesnât matter, in all of its premises and logic! It still has an emotional core, but it goes out of its way to say fuck you :-)
0 likesWow you finally pinpointed why I lost interest in the show despite enjoying most of season 3. Rick became too OP and killed the tension of the show. Still haven't watched any of season 4.
0 likesYeah my interest just dropped hard since episode one of session 3, by pickle Rick it reached me on meme form even before I saw the episode so it just felt like exactly what I expected from it.
0 likes"Cam a fandom, become so insufferable that they damage their show's reputation beyond repair?"
2 likesAs a JJBA fan, yes they can.
Rick and Morty always struck me as a clever show that appealed to a lot of not so clever people
0 likesI think a big part of the backlash/benevolence towards the show came from the horrible treatment of Jerry in season 3.
0 likesthis makes my head spin in wheels, trying to understand the concept of life from a show.
0 likesThe sponsor part is very funny lmao. I love it
0 likesI think this show is best when it shows how much Ricks own misery can be primarily contributed by his own assholiness.
0 likesNever really felt that the quality dropped, I just caught on the fact that R&M knows it's got a limited run-time as any good show it's hard to experiment too far and alienate their viewers or stick to the same joke over and over until it's no longer funny. Never bought the merch or memed on it, just enjoyed and still enjoy the show
0 likes"Don't become a balding nihilist like Rick." Well damn... Rick Sanchez and BoJack Horseman have taught me how to be incredibly nihilistic lol
0 likesFirst 2 seasons were great
0 likesSeason 3 felt too different but had funny moments
Season 4 was rough man...
I sometimes regret watching rick and morty due to its toxic fandom
1 likeI will say I donât think Rick & Morty is completely ruined though. Granted I need to rewatch season 4 to come to any definitive conclusion but I do think the show is attempting to get back on track to its original goal
0 likesI love the connection to Good Kid m.A.A.d city, great video
0 likesMy god, Futurama is my favorite show of all time. I started watching it when I was around 5 or so, so itâs super nostalgic to me.
0 likesTo be fair, you have to have a very high iq to understand emplemon
1 likeNever got the hype, watched the series. Jesus itâs so ridiculous I love it lol
0 likesi think watching this when i was younger and idealising rick (even for a short while, before i realised i don't want to be anything like him) kindof messed me up a little
0 likesI didnât realize people didnât like the pickle Rick episode, itâs one of my favorites.
0 likesGreat analysis dude, sadly much of what you said in this video-essay can be applied to Black Mirror as well or even Game of Thrones.
0 likesIf you can compare yourself to Rick and look up to him... get help.
2 likesAye yo the film theory dissed has me crying đđđ
48 likesI think people need to just watch it and enjoy it without putting it on a pedestal, cause thats just asking for disappointment
0 likesAdult Swim owes its entire existence to Space Ghost Coast to Coast. Show some damn respect!
0 likesRick and Morty still is good to me đ€·đŸ
0 likesHow can you be mad about the action sequences âhaving no tensionâ when itâs a cartoon in which Rick is literally the main character, AND knowing theyâve been renewed for like 6 seasonâs worth of episodes
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Theres just no point to them. I dont think the action is bad, just pointless.
2 likesI donât really think the fandom that wants to explore the lore and make theoryâs are necessary missing the point, but ok.
0 likesNo wonder Fandoms are really that M.A.A.D. I should just stay away from them and either satirize, parody, or praise it and give the psychology, philosopy, and meaning in it.
0 likesthe show makes people feel smart thats why
0 likesWhen you say I take the first two seasons and am happy with it you're an optimist
0 likesbut when you say I hope the show gets back to what it was your just naive and gullible
That April Fools Joke didnât really pay off for them eh?
0 likes9:49
0 likesI suddenly feel the urge to not wear gloves...
its funny how at 34:15 he says that he's glad he can find meaning in the show, when the show and creator are constantly saying "you shouldn't find meaning in things".
1 likeyou know when he jumped bodies a bunch of times and said after transfering into the bug his full personality didn't go with him?
0 likesThat sponsor segway was brilliant
0 likesHopefully the show does get better and better, too bad it will take 20 years to find out.
0 likesFeels like the best R&M episodes in s3-4 are the ones where Rick C-137 is the least involved in.
0 likesBojack Horseman and Rick and Morty. Two once great shows plagued with the same virus.
0 likesNow THAT is what I call product placement
0 likesIf there is one reason why I prefer Bojack Horseman a lot over Rick & Morty it's because it knows what it wants and it balances that well. Rick & Morty certainly knew what it wanted in the first two seasons but it still didn't always pull this off well in my opinion, partly the reason why Rick & Morty is so well known as that comedic sci-fi show instead of a drama and the third and fourth season feel like they only lean into that feeling more with the philosophical side slowly leaving the show completely to make place for bold, risky episodes and just plain entertainment. Bojack Horseman, on the other hand, has always been seen as while comedic, ultimatly a drama that adresses a limitless amount of problems in a satisfying way. Bojack really knows what it wants and only got better at pulling it off, while Rick & Morty knew what it wanted and only got worse at pulling it off. I still enjoy Rick & Morty a lot and what it does well, it does really well, but I miss that focus and the understanding of what it is that is present in something like Bojack Horseman.
0 likesWhen Rick faced his problems and got caught, that made me angry.
0 likesHe suddenly feels love for the Beth and Summer from this universe but still abandoned his REAL daughter in the universe c-137 were everyone became kronenberg monsters.
Why doesn't he go back and rescue his real family.
geez he even made a clone of the new-universe instead. Why so much love for this family but not his own?
Empleon:the characters don't have a personality
0 likesS4:allow me to introduce myself
The entire first episode sets up morty learning and becoming smarter. Making that seem like what the show is going to be about only shit all over that in the last min. The last ep. Of season 2 makes rick seem like he cares only to then turn around and shit all over it in the premiere of season 3. The end of the pickle rick episode wasn't about you (the audience) rick shows so much disdain for therapy and therapists only to have her Imeadiately nail him 2 seconds after he's gone on a tirade about about how little she knows and how dumb he thinks she is, it seemed like her being able to nail him so fast was the real reason he doesn't want therapy..The episode where he gets beat up by a teenage girl sets up why he suddenly has invincibility suits later on.... i dunno i actually think this show is still great and im not one of those crazy fans. I think the reason season 3 was so anticlimactic is totally down to the staff not the writing, and i think maybe the talking cat episode is about videos like this. Overanalizing to the point where the fun is gone....
0 likesDid you really just spell accountability âaccount abilityâ?đđ
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they didnt spell it wrong tho. theres just a space between it then
0 likesI like to spin positive views on the nihilism. Like sure nothing matters in the end, but does that mean you shouldn't just roll over and get depressed. Make the best of your life, sure it won't matter and you're forgotten in a generation or two at most but you won't care cause you're dead then, it's not your problem. Have fun in your life and enjoy it.
0 likesI hope season 5 isn't as bad as 4 :(
0 likesStill enjoying it but I knew something was off in the last 2 seasons. I think I just thought "every show has weaker parts".
0 likesThe show doesn't have dark humor or shock value anymore. It's just edgy
0 likeshow to enjoy rick and morty: be the camera man
0 likesitâs funny, out of sheer coincidence i got burnout from the show halfway through season 3. i think i was like 13 at the time? but honestly iâm not really too beaten up about it looking back.
0 likesim pissed at the end of season 4, because his entire body was literally ripped apart and his innards were pouring out of him, BUT literally a second later hes completely fine, his body is back to normal, and i found this complete bullshit
0 likesAt it's core, mario is about a dysfunctional family
0 likesWhat I got from this video is basically that Rick and Morty is like the Great Gatsby, but edgy and s c i e n c e
5 likesThe boondocks has always been my favorite from adult swim
2 likesNgl back in the 80s and 90s star trek wasn't a "niece subculture", the problem is that star trek explored its characters over a reset type show and its tech jargon. And thats why today people don't like the dated shows , and all new star trek is deadass. Rick and morty resonates perfectly with modern audiences, as star trek with the optimistic 80s , in 20 years time rick and morty will seem dated and won't resonated with the same amount of new people . Ya see what I mean
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So Star Trek and rick and morty are seasonal shows?
0 likesThat's not how you use "deadass", it basically means "I'm not fucking with you"
1 likeNot gonna lie, season 3 and season 4 part 1 rick legit became one punch man.
0 likes20:57 Yeah, but he DID beat the fuck outta Zeus.
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0 likesGoddamn frylock been lookin like a psychopath.
i saw the dissolving of the general message of the show in season three as kind of a reminder that rick is human and to not idolize him. am i wrong for that? i see everybody bashing season three but i think i was an interesting sort of reset.
0 likesEmpLemon is secretly extremely based
0 likesRick and Morty is to family dramas what Regular Show is to work-coms/post-college dramas.
0 likeswhy are fandoms and furries almost synonymous? we need matt patt to get on this...
0 likesAlternative title: Lemon beats up small time YouTuber matpat.
1 likeDamn man you could be like a new morgan freeman
0 likesgeowizard on emplemon? truly legendary
0 likesthe first episode my boyfriend's parents watched was the dragon episode, I felt embarrassed and felt bad that they had to watch that just to see if it was good or not
3 likesthe soundtrack had me thinking âwhere do i know this from??â ofc itâs from super mario odyssey đđđđ
0 likesNot evrything has a message, just enjoy it
1 likeIn my opinion Rick and Morty never fell off
1 likedamn.. season 3 is my favorite season
0 likesOK real talk that Gex comparison is spot on tho
0 likesSeen every season so many times.
0 likesYou know who has a better fandom? The Venture Bros
0 likesOne of my favorite thumbnails Ive ever seen on youtube
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Same
0 likesi can't tell if that was a real sponsor segment but i'm sold
0 likesI can't believe a show that garnered near unprecedented hype and attention (despite likely being thought of as "we love this but it might just do "ok") was changed in some fashion by the immense scrutiny and pressure from that attention! đŹđŹđŹ
0 likesWho knows what plan these dudes had for the show. Maybe they only wrote 2 seasons, so they got new ppl on board to try and make new seasons?? I mostly stopped watching because I just don't watch tv, but if sn's 3 and 4 that I did see, it was very entertaining. They did seem to have a point of "don't fall for nihilism" in sessions 1 and and 2, but they got that across
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"they changed!"
0 likes"I've always respected that they're willing to change....."
This is the only channel where I watch the sponsorship ads
3 likesWhen I heard "Main Theme" from Amynedd's album, 16-Bit Adventure @ 9:48 ; yeah that was epic.
0 likesThe most absurd part about the high IQ comment is calling the humor subtle. One of the main reasons I disliked the show is that the humor is so extremely in your face, it completely lacks even the tiniest bit of subtlety. Like literally the humor in family guy is more subtle and I'm not even being hyperbolic. While watching Rick and Morty I always had the feeling they wanted to absolutely hammer the point home "THIS IS A JOKE!!!" at every possible turn, which is why I stopped watching after 3-4 episodes. The whole show feels super forced, which doesn't make it a bad show, but to me very unpleasant to watch.
0 likesYou lost me in the second part. dislike. i kind of get your point but i see the show from an entirely different point( which is normal for a show like this however i still think you are wrong...
0 likeshonestly man everything that you like about Rick and Morty is the exact opposite of what I like about it like I don't even know how to explain my opinions other than saying they're basically the exact opposite of yours
0 likesgreat content man
0 likesI liked pickle Rick but I didnât like that they tried to add lore to a random character.
0 likesI like the inclusion of a We Are Happy Landfill instrumental
0 likesThe rick and morty memes were shit and so were the joker memes. I originally thought that it were good pieces of media, but it was just too much of the same shit and they basically blew out all other memes. I was planning on watching them, but I didn't want to be part of any of that behavior.
0 likesWell maad seems to be an accurate description of what happened.
Season 1 and 2 are great
0 likesi think s3 had two good episodes the rest were ok at best but s4 part 2 was pretty good espiecially the acid one with the save button
2 likesNo fucking way the keeps ad was true! XD
0 likesnever drink your own Koolaid brothers and sisters
0 likesRick and Morty tends to be more absurdist, rather than nihilist or anything else. We see rick, despite being unable to face his flaws, keep on living. He has had every opportunity to kill himself, but hasn't.
0 likesRicks tale mirrors that of Sisyphus, a man who was forced by the Greek pantheon to push a boulder up a hill forever. When the bolder would get to the top, it would roll back down, every time. Rick's moments of excess show his desire for contentment, but are quickly followed by a steep mental decline.
The absurdist suggests that, despite the pain inherent in life, despite the misery that people cause each other, we should smile in the face of adversity and say, "fuck 'em". The absurdist suggests that we smile in the face of pain or death, simply as a means of spite, a universal last laugh. The absurdist says, "If I have to live, I'm going to do it my way".
Used to love it, but I'm in the "downhill" crowd now. They focused way too much on making Beth and Summer relevant or 'badass'.
0 likes"the meaning of life" being rearranged into "The fine game of nil" isn't pessemistic. Nil is defined as "nonexistent" and we are spiritual beings have a human experience, so we truly do not exist. We just think we do. We have lost our connection to Oneness.
0 likesI disagree I think season 4 is the best season so far
0 likesLove the Kenny reference
0 likesVat of Acid Episode was fucking great you watch your mouth
0 likes>List of M.A.A.D. fandoms
0 likes>[Any Anime Ever]
SHOTS FIRED! SHOTS FIRED!!
every time you showed pictures of the simpsons I thought I had gone colorblind. lol
0 likesi'm just here to say we are happy landfill is a good song
0 likessymptoms of hair loss..wouldn't that just be losing hair?
0 likesThis guy is going at matt pat đđ
0 likesSomeone send a link of this video to Dan Harmon and Justin Roiland ASAP.
0 likesYou sound like professor Stain from soul eater from the English dub...just a bit
1 likeBut hey, thatâs just a hypothesis. A cinema hypothesis, and...cut
0 likes12:31-12:33. Rick & Ted Kaczynski. Holy shit.
0 likes19:20 ngl i never noticed the numbers in the background, why is rick 4,6 lol
0 likes23:40 I know you shouldn't let stupid fans ruin something you like... but Jesus, man.
0 likesDidn't know the German word "zeitgeist" (3:44) is used in english now :o
0 likesThey were sniffing their own farts too much.
0 likes1:33 LOL I remember Aquateen oh my god that shit was golden.
0 likesthankfully i know im not a rick.
0 likesLove the use of kendricks good kiid maad city
0 likesPolar Opposites came just in time
1 likelove him using GeoWizards music at 9:50 ish
0 likesThe media ITSELF is not the problem w fandoms. It is exclusively the problem w the fans. And sure, we could easily boil it all down to a lack of community in the modern age which forces ppl to find a community thru the things they consume....but if we want to change those things, individuals need to force change.
0 likesTldr, stop letting "what shows you watch\store you shop at" be the thing which your personality is based on
nice obvious reference to film theory and other youtubers, i like it
0 likes9:58 woah itâs the GeoWizard music, yesss
11 likesThe fan base an that's including you by the sound of it (an like so many other great things) ruined this show... an by the way No one's a Rick an no one's a Jerry you are who u choose to become so stop labeling urself an limiting yourself with them
0 likesWas there ever a point at which the show DIDN'T make cultural references like??? The tight 5 at the comedy store, etc....
0 likes14:55 real Pan Pizza energy here
0 likesI was watching this video while playing Gran Turismo 4 and had to take a double take.
0 likesThe radical sect of the fanbase made mocking or otherwise disliking Rick and Morty cool, and praising the show nigh illegal. It's a sad truth, because the show it self was funny as hell, especially with friends around. But hey, that's the internet.
0 likesU wanna ruin something, especially an on going show?
0 likesMake it mainstream
The cheapest thing about the Therapist is the creators wrote Rick, and wrote her "defeating" him by deconstructing his character.
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I didn't see it that way. Rick was always written to think that therapy is for stupid people so it was never going to "work" on him. It showed how the children were influenced by the therapist, but not the nihilistic parents.
0 likesWho wrote the pickle rick episode? ...
0 likesOh ...
Did anyone else notice geowizards song in there?
0 likesIn season 3, Rick and Morty began hiring women writers...
0 likesI just realized the Kendrick Lamar reference in the title
3 likesThat melody
0 likesClicked on this for the amazing title ngl.
0 likes15:50 omg zero rick....i forgot about him
0 likesOhh..."Lord of the rings" fans are chads...jesus...
0 likesenough green simpsons purple rick is the future
0 likesEh, bojack horseman is still better imo
1 likeManic
0 likesAnti-hero
Attachment
Disorder
We are the happy landfill
0 likes"To be fair you have to have a very high IQ to understand Freddy Got Fingered..."
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"Daddy would you like some sausage?"
8 likesI'm a farmer daddy!
4 likesgenuinely, though
3 likesdon't force normies to watch that particular movie, they hate it
@Me Yes I love telling normies how great of a movie Freddy got Fingered is and then watching them sit in horror when I show it to them
4 likesThe later seasons are directed AT the audience and they've already confirmed fan theories forced them to change the show. Rick and Morty was murdered by fandoms having a passion for the show they like. This is why we can't have nice things
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yeah it's unfortunate, but the writers and shit tried to read as little as possible and pay no attention to the theories to keep the show pure, but since the show has lots of commentary pop culture it put em in a tight spot. honestly, i loved all the episodes unconditionally.
0 likesEven GRRM doesnât change the ending when people manage to guess it. Thatâs how you end up with GoT S8.
1 like9:47 geo wizard theme music :)
0 likesanyone remember whenemp lemon made the ducktales parody
0 likesI love the refference to Kendrick's Good Kid m.A.A.d. City.
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@Mookie Ăber Alles Agreed. TPaB is probably the best rap album of all time.
0 likesDon't forget to like the video
0 likesThis show is like a modern Johnny The Homicidal Maniac. I donât know how Jhonen feels about that.
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Jhonen feels disappointment in everything he makes
12 likeshe better not feel disappointment in invader zim, shit was my FAVORITE
5 likesYou know, when I first read that comment I was inclined to disagree. But that's actually not too bad of a comparison. Other than the fact that Jhonen's stuff was pretty explicitly Goth/Scene, whereas Rick and Morty doesn't really fall into a particular subculture or anything. Which makes it come off as a bit less self-aware, imo.
15 likesMore like a modern Johnny the Homicidal maniac thatâs more full of itself. At least Jhonen later reflected on how bad that aspect of Johnny was
2 likesConsidering Justin Roiland voiced a few characters in Enter the Florbus, I imagine he doesn't mind
2 likesJhonen probably understands that art getting influences from other art is totally normal, and I think the differences are there that it isn't at all a copy.
1 like@đđŸđŹđŽ đđȘđŹđź I see the connection, tbh. Overly violent nihilist takes on a strange and unsettling world with a normie, very scared sidekick. I think saying "modern JTHM" is a bit of a stretch, but the influence is possible.
0 likesWhat about Rick & Morty : Bushworld Adventures ?!
0 likesYouâre micro analyzing. The show has progressed very fluidly in my eyes. Rick wasnât taking accountability at the end of season 2. It was his plan to be taken and destroy the galactic government, they just killed his best friend. The show just isnât for you if you dont like how the story is playing out.
0 likesDoes anyone know the music from 0:55 to 2:40 ?
0 likesI stopped watching Rick and Morty like 2 years ago and this video seemed to make every point as to why, but I still think the worst episode is the one with the super heroâs, vindicators??
5 likes9:47 emp watches geo wizard?
0 likesI'd wager it's more "science-fantasy" than "science-fiction"
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Science-fantasy is more of a subgenre than an actual genre.
5 likes@Mr. Friendship That's true but a lot of the science fiction displayed in Rick and Morty has no basis in reality. Usually Sci-Fi has that reasonable amount of realism to the concepts.
8 likes@No Name As what the video stated, the multiverse is the representation of escapism from reality in which Rick always succumbs to. Fantasy is all about the concepts of magic where there's no rules and anything that is impossible is possible. Science fiction have rules which the subject is about what is the concept of life on Earth and the Universe.
2 likes@Mr. Friendship Yes, Rick and Morty has very little rules with its concept of science. Therefore, science fantasy.
5 likes@No Name I also forgot that science fiction can do the "impossible" like what fantasy does. Think about it. Can you imagine that we live in a world where technology is advanced that no human beings can ever invented such things, and it's made by extra-terrestrial life forms, so humans have to adapt it as a part of our daily lives? Or what about the fact that crystal-clear skyscrapers and modern capsule buildings that takes years to finish, or even flying cars with complicated traffic rules? I think you're right that Rick and Morty have little rules of science but Futurama have more rules due to being based on the accuracy of real life science and mathematics. Rick used science, despite being a mad scientist, as an excuse to make to get rid of the pain.
1 like"Science fantasy" is just a pejorative used by science fiction fans to denigrate sci-fi they don't like. Even Isaac Asimov included non-scientific elements, "fantastic" if you will, and he's the godfather of hard sci-fi.
0 likesRemember the dragon episode? Where Rick's science is explicitly contrasted against magic? How about the fact that in the context of the show, all of Rick's inventions are based on Rick's scientific expertise? Those inventions are technology Rick developed through access to scientific principles unknown to the rest of humanity. Just because you don't understand the principles behind them, or the show made those principles up and didn't explain them well enough to you, doesn't mean the show isn't science fiction.
I think i just accidentally watched this a second time... I'm not mad about it.
5 likesThis is edited really well. Good job!
Imagine a world where MDE World Peace wasnt cancelled. Adult Swim ruined everything
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That boy aint got no chicken oil
1 likealso adult swim didn't cancel MDE it was Turner media
2 likesThey also cancelled Metalocalypse.
6 likesGreedy bastards.
don't forget dan harmon was the one spearheading world peace's cancellation, him along with heidecker are the reason it's gone, they themselves went to turner
9 likesSam Hyde has had so much influence on comedy, and has gotten so little in return. Smh.
7 likes@TVB nice lb reviews man cool to see you here
0 likesSam just couldn't get away with it that time.
3 likes@Alex Amaya i don't think he's ever referenced anything to do with /pol/ in the thousands of videos he's made, with that evidence surely you could prove your statement? right bean?
1 like@Alex Amaya I disagree with you on the "funny" grounds but I will 100% agree that MDE required prior knowledge of the certain stereotypes and political incidents they were parodying and if you weren't in on the joke it was confusing as hell.
0 likesHiring anyone based on their sex or race rather than their talent is going to cause problems. Did you miss star wars sequel? Setting aside characters and fans for politics is a bad idea. They deserve to fail.
4 likesI always hated the arguments that rick and morty is a bad show and doesnât really have a substance and itâs just dumb fun. And I totally disagree everytime. Some people hate it just because itâs loved by many and you know how people are when it comes to things that are considered by them âoverratedâ. Some people give rick and morty WAY too much credit without even knowing why it deserves the credit, and others give it too little credit disregarding the reason why it deserves the credit. Itâs not just done with rick and morty, but many other works of art in different mediums.
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Katz Meowski yea I get you
0 likesM O R E Y T P
0 likesâIs it fair to judge Steven Universe by its fandom?â
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kek
8 likesWhere if you draw a character slightly thinner you get death threats
140 likesHonestly, I enjoy the show. However, judging by this video and the reactions in the comments, I'm glad I have never engaged with their fandom or even been exposed to it at all. Seems dangerous.
54 likesThat's a case where the show is just as cringeworthy as the fandom, so...
61 likes@Christopher Stone the worst part is that that is literally not even a joke
49 likes@LTB
10 likesC'mon, SU was pretty good until S4
The fact i canât look up gemstones and minerals without first seeing crappy fan âgemsonasâ should have the fandom sent to gulags.
42 likesNo. A shitty fandom doesn't represent a show's quality.
13 likesJoJo Banks
44 likesYouâre right. But SU is a lazily animated show with tons of mistakes, and if you took all the great episodes, you wouldnât even have enough for half of one season.
The filler is worse than some early 00âs anime
Steven Universe is a really good show I donât see the problem.
3 likes@kingdancekiller aka Dingus McBingus The show had very good music, and quite a few interesting concepts i do agree it could be quite bad at times but i personally liked it.
4 likesGriggori rasputin
2 likesA measured, reasonable take
Can someone fill me in? Why is it fair?
0 likes@kingdancekiller aka Dingus McBingus
0 likesExplain with details
@kingdancekiller aka Dingus McBingus It's not even lazily animated, the animation gets outsourced to some korean sweatshop without proper directions, so the scale and appearance changes on an episodal basis.
4 likes@Robin Banks And thatâs not lazy compared to hiring artists at a living wage who have professional standards? Seems like thatâs lazy.
0 likes@kingdancekiller aka Dingus McBingus It's shockingly lazy, they don't care about their own show so much to the point where they can't even be bothered to draw decent character sketches.
1 likeThe only thing they (allegedly) do themselves is writing, and they even manage to fuck that up by (among other things) unintentionally defending rape through inconsistent metaphors.
@Robin Banks oh I see you were being sarcastic now. Thanks for clearing that up
1 like@Christopher Stone
3 likesOr even slightly light skinned
Seriously an artist by the named of gashi gashi hot flack for not drawing garnet black enough
i like the music in background in the intro
0 likesI came here for Gran Turismo lobby music.
1 like"You are all the things that are wrong with you. It's not the alcohol, or the drugs, it's you." - Todd Chavez
10 likesMen create order and structure wimin safety and stability. That's just what is adaptive for evolution. But you don't get a good adventure story from safety and stability.
1 likeâAdult Swim had always existed as a playground of artistic expression and creative experimentationâ Tell that to Sam Hyde
9 likesi liked season three...
0 likesI completely disagree with the pickle rick therapy session analysis. At this point they had already completed 2 whole seasons and every fan worth keeping knew damn well what the show was really about and having the therapy session spell it directly out to everyone was, in my opinion, hilarious metacomedy. As for how Rick became OP I completely agree, but I think the family conflict became the focus of the show and I think that was done very well. Them regressing was the entire point of season three and if anything it felt natural. The individual gripes you have in season 3 ill agree with, but holistically I don't agree
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At that point power creep seeped in and Rick was no longer a flawed genius loner. He was the smartest man in the universe. That's not a regression of Rick's character, it's flanderization which is always bad for a show no matter what.
0 likesAnd with all that said, how does a random tertiary character get away with dressing down Rick's character and not getting any sort of payback for doing so? Rick was basically untouchable for every moment in the season except for that one.
Spelling something out for the audience is bad writing. What is it, the joke is that we've all come to this conclusion? Clearly not as a huge swath of Rick and Morty fans don't see Rick as an anti hero that we are not supposed to idolize. A lot of people went on to consider themselves a Rick in their own lives so no.
The general audience was not interested in seeing their god figure torn down by a rando.
You can still find that scene funny but the humor comes from the show completely breaking itself just because.
i've been a snobby, pretentious pseudo-intellectual for a lot longer than rick and morty have been around
5 likesi watch it till was popular,disgissting"rick"
0 likesInsightful analysis on the show's rise and downturn. I have a high IQ, so I got it.
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I honestly don't think it's on a downturn. I mean he completely ignored the fact that there are gonna be 70+ new episode at a quicker pace given the adult swim deal. I have full confidence in Justin roiland and Harmon. Community was one of my favorite shows and it survived with low ratings while still being brilliant
0 likes@mike james The Simpsons got a deal for endless seasons here. Does that mean it's not on a downturn?
0 likesI cant believe Emp was actually sponsored by a hair loss treatment product.
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If it pays the bills, it's fine I guess
1 likeI legit thought that was just a joke the entire time, especially cause he misspelled the link at the end too.
0 likesWhy the simpsons characters are all green? Is this an algorithm thing? Like to dodge youtube strikes?
0 likesBoth "Sci-fi Comedy" and "Family Drama" sound like one of the worst genres out there
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at least there's The Incredibles my man
40 likeswhy do we need family drama when you can just sit at the table with your relatives ha ha amrite fellas?? ha ha...
28 likesNo
2 likesYou would assume that to be true except it seems to entertaining when done well
7 likesFamily Matters did it
0 likesGalaxy Quest is one of the best movies ever. Watch it.
0 likesi want to be alive i am alive
0 likesSpot on again broseph
0 likesI will never forgive Adult Swim for cancelling MDE
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MDE?
0 likesobnoxious man of potassium Million Dollar Extreme, look up MDE.tv on YouTube.
0 likesHe can't keep getting away with it.
0 likesGiven MDE's notoriety, I suspect their show on Adult Swim, *World Peace*, was most likely on borrowed time from the outset.
0 likesAqua teen hunger force was apparently cancelled because the unaired season 5 premiere âbostonâ was leaked
1 like@Narwhal YT it just gives me a yt channel
0 likesobnoxious man of potassium yea thatâs the channel your looking for. Thatâs MDE
0 likes@Narwhal YT ok then i guess
0 likesEmpLemon becomes a psychologist, circa 2020
12 likesI feel like this video really overlooked season 4 ..... Rickâs power is really pulled out from under him as his family realizes heâs not as great as he thinks he is. The family drama is stronger than ever as Jerry returns to the house and Morty finds an identity of his own. This video made some really apt points about but I think it was a little too pessimistic in the end, but thatâs just me. I think it dipped in the middle but has found its footing as a great show.
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yeah I stopped watching in season 3 cos it just wasnt compelling anymore, but season 4 is really good
0 likesSadly, fandoms are often toxic. However we need to remember, that they also created many beautiful things.
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I disagree, fandoms are often not toxic in themselves. Most of the time there is a large group that nobody cares about (since they aren't fans themselves) until the toxic ones step out and get given a megaphone by people who love to hate on the toxic people.
2 likesFandoms are much like bacterial colonies.
1 likeMost are toxic, but some are like SCOBY/Yeast.
As above, so below, as within, so without, as before, so after.
Something that Iâve realized over the years is, no, fandoms are not inherently toxic. That toxic group of people that ruins the experience for everyone? Theyâre the same people in every fandom. Those people fandom-hop like nobodyâs business between whatever piece of media is most popular this week, wreck everything, and leave. The vast, vast majority of people in fandoms are just normal people.
4 likes@TurquoiseCrow They colonize, yes, but they have root nodes.
0 likesI can't think of anything good a fandom has produced
1 like@W;P Art, animations, fangames, stories, theorys. That kind of stuff
0 likesYou know it's terrible when people are talking about "being in the fandom" as opposed to "being a fan of X"
0 likes@GoldenChainy You actually consider fanart and fanfics to be a good thing?
0 likes@Bio-error 1d10t: User unable to create name. Yea alot of fanart and fanfics are good have you never seen good ones?
0 likes@GoldenChainy Nope.
0 likes@GoldenChainy None of those things are inherently good.
0 likesThey turned the main protagonists character development into a pickle morty! Itâs the funniest shit Iâve ever seen.
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Im only 59 seconds in
0 likesSwag
0 likesYep đ
1 likeTrue
0 likesI watched it in the furute, and travel to the past to comment.
0 likesyeah im hear too and havent even reached a minute
0 likesNice job editing the comment from "The majority of the people commenting on this video haven't watched the first minute"
1 likefunny
0 likes@Pioxys
2 likesYou should've went back and learn how to spell future
@Offended De 2.0 Grammar & spelling? In the future??
0 likesThis past has already fallen.
MyNickIs Nick I knew that that comment wouldnât make it big in the long run so I tried replace it with something even more unfunny
0 likesYeah, just learn to turn tv off
0 likesFunniest shit I've ever seen
0 likesGO STAR WARS
0 likesseason 4 ep 1 killed my interest in the show by making rick truly immortal.
6 likesRick in the teaser for season 5: 'MoRTy I'm gOiNg tO dIE!'
"The truth about butt world? Poop rick?"
10 likesI am crying đ
does any one know the name of the pam pam pam pam pam pam music ?
0 likesWhat in the Kendrick Lamar reference is this??
0 likesPeople think they're smart by watching a TV show when they'd impress me more if they read a book that wasn't Harry Potter.
3 likes"Most people know it as that episode with that annoying meme"
81 likesI have to disagree. Most people who don't constantly peruse meme sites think of it as nothing but another episode. One they generally like, at that. This is where the "required IQ" meme really took off, as it was the show admitting it's not always going to be witty, cutting, and philosophical; but also will gladly indulge in pure nonsensical humor, which in this case they turn into the plot of the episode. Pretty poorly, but they still do it.
Most people who watch the show only really think of it as another animated comedy show that can occasionally surprise with a very well written joke here and there, from what I've gauged.
The people lauding it as the most intelligent show ever and the people taking the piss out of it because it very visibly diverged from any sort of pretentious intellectualism are the vocal majority. Most people I've talked to have seen the show, think it's funny, and don't obsess either way.
Saying "most people" in this context is erroneous because "most people" don't make their voices known, it's just a vocal minority of both sides. (Not to mention any posts about Rick and Morty being intellectual are satire nowadays)
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I don't disagree with any of your observations/critiques of the episode, either. Basically a long winded post saying "most people" was completely the wrong term to use.
8 likesif you are referring ot the pickle rick episode, that episode was trash
3 likesI don't constantly pursue "meme sites" Pickle rick was impossible to avoid.
6 likesI dont like that episode, it's just kind of weird, and not good weird, I don't like the pilot episode very much either, I like Rick and Morty as a show but some episodes are trash, I don't think theres a decent show out there that you could say dosent have a few bad episodes.
Totally agree. People have a tough time separating "internet" from "reality". Just because morons on YouTube comments are echoing some dumb obnoxious opinion everywhere, doesn't mean it's a reflection of society.
1 likeYeah pretty much everyone I speak to IRL doesnt really have strong opinions about R&M
0 likesI think its an exceptional show in the first 2 seasons and there are a few episodes from seasons 1-3 that are some of the best ive seen in a long time. that being said season 3 really is a dissapointment, i havnt watched through season 4 yet but from what im hearing..... I think of it like I do futurama, I love futurama is every episode amazing no but there are some that are some of the best tv out there. Bojack horseman is another that I feel is a great show but some eps really drag it down. I really appreciate that Rick and Morty deals with beliefs and hard situations that most shows just don't, especially animated shows.
0 likesI may make up a really slim percentage of people who had never heard of pickle rick before watching the show ,but I am among a really slim percentage of people who have never heard of pickle rick before watching the show so - I honestly liked the episode , when I was watching it I thought the episode was sort of like a parody for intense action films like John Wick , watching rick get all jacked up I never for a second thought âomg wow rick is so smart đâ I just thought that it was a load of hilarious bullshit ,hence was making a parody out of action films . It was entertaining enough. As for the therapist scene I think that was important to keep the fandom grounded, the fandom had come to point where people were trying to worship and emulate rick, the therapist while talking to rick might as well have been talking to the audience, it made Rick appear human ,and flawed and tried to put his ego in check, that he needed help to change for the better and people didnât like that .
0 likesM.a.a.d. city?
0 likesIt's people analyze something till it has no where else to go. Stop killing things with your questions. It's like a bunch of 3 year olds who just lernt to say why.....lol. If you be quiet you will actully take in whats in front of you, now sit down and shut up my teacher used to say....A beautiful thing of the past.
0 likeshey i think someone forgot to turn off their ps2 in the background audio of your video, i can hear the gran turismo 3 menu music
0 likesI wonder what the rate of Rick suicide is, or Rick on Rick violence.
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Just Mortys being Mortys.
1 likeseason 5 slaps
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@Ment Kansley nope
0 likesAnyone here after the sperm episode?
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Me. Iâm truly disappointed in what the show has become. Seasons 1-2 were lightning in a bottle.
4 likes@JINX thatâs me could not agree more
2 likes@Vape Lord Yoda not so sure anymore, with the new Diversity hires from the end of season 2, add the General socialist bend culture took in the US got I doubt they can do any better.
2 likesThis is them. Bad propaganda, clap back grossout. Us EMPLEMON subscribers are big fans of downward spirals!
@Leone Maledetto You might be right. Maybe the gold era is gone forever. Maybe the hiring of the new female writers really hurt them bad. I wish the old days could come back.
0 likes@Vape Lord Yoda don't wait for Rick and Morty to be good again
1 likeWait for something to become as good as Rick and Morty was! It feels like lighting in a bottle but it's art. There will always be good art as long as we have the freedom to make it!
@Leone Maledetto I didnât even notice until my friend mentioned it; there hasnât been one portal (from ricks portal gun) this season. Thatâs fucking ridiculous. And now that I think about it majority of Season 4 didnât feel like they used portals too much. Maybe thatâs a huge problem? Idk Iâm just really disappointed in the direction of the series.
1 like@Vape Lord Yoda they gave Rick a hundred different superpowers, realized they made a superman with no cryptionote and if you have an unbeatable character there can be no tension in the plot!
1 likeSo now they have to stealth nerf him. No consistency, no steaks.
I haven't seen it yet, but what did you think of the first 3 episodes of the season?
1 likeâ@Highlander I thought the planetina episode was strangely good, except for the b plot with summer having sex romps. The rest was unsatisfying, yet that did not prepare me for the sperms. I had no idea it could get this bad.
2 likes@Highlander Episode 1 is one of my favorite of the series by far loved every second of it. Episode 2 is like so dumb that itâs good. Itâs just a fun little 20 mins but it might get repetitive and probably not good for rewatching. Episode 3 I thought was pretty good. The music is great and the A plot with Morty and Planetina I very much enjoyed however the B plot was lame. They basically took the B plot of episode 3 and made it into episode 4, which sucked badly.
1 likefemales writers
1 like@Vape Lord Yoda Episode 1 felt like something out of season 2. I seriously thought the show was making a comeback and going back to itâs roots, but then episode 2 was a disappointment, episode 3 didnât even feel like the show, and episode 4 is just awful. Also, I still have no clue why the writers made Rick OP to begin with. He was never OP in the first two seasons. Rick was someone who relied on his ship, portal gun, and laser pistol to get him out of conflict. So when those things got compromised in an episode, it made for some really great conflict like the purge episode, gazorpazorp world, dimension 35-c, the giantâs world, etc.
0 likes@Leone Maledetto Yeah I wasn't all that excited for this season but the Planetina episode made me think that we were on an upward swing, even with how lame they've made Rick, I fear watching this latest one
0 likesEpisode 7 is amazing tho
0 likes@Ghostly makes me wanna rip my brain out of my head
0 likes@Leone Maledetto I liked it episode 7, donât get mad at me. I didnât like episode 4 it made me uncomfortable.
0 likesI just found your channel, it's unbelievably underrated! your commentary and analysis are on point also your editing is fucking amazing! you deserve over 1 mill subs
0 likesI love how he actually made an entire commercial. Good bit. Good job staying committed to your plans.
2 likesThe first 2 seasons are awesome and definitely on another level Atleast for me.
0 likesIv watched about 4 of your videos so far.
Really enjoying this channel right now
I definitely have close friends that think Rick is a master genius for being a nihilist
0 likesMan I love your take, the show introduced a central plot but at the same time the plot mattered so little they might as well have not done it
1 likeThis is one of the best commentaries on the show. Well done.
0 likesI remember being so excited for season 3 and I really liked the pilot for it, but I don't even remember if I got to the p*ckle rick episode because it just became that unappealing and I haven't touched the show in a couple years. Emplemon did a good job articulating how I felt after the show's peak with season 2
0 likesThat has to be the single best commercial I've ever seen. Well done, good stuff my guy!
0 likesi agree rick has gotten overpowered and that it's ruined tension, but i think it opens the door for a totally new dynamic that revolves around his god complex
1 likeA rare good take on Rick and Morty, thanks for reminding me why I love this show
2 likesMorty used to contrast Rick. You related to Morty through his humanity and understood Rick through his cold logic.
1 likeThat contrast is weaker now and the show suffers for it. Morty has increasingly become like Rick.
The dark comedy doesn't hit when the entire theme of the show has become nihilism
0 likesI love this show for the comedy, the sci fi elements, the lore, and the interdimensional travel. I believe in alternate dimensions/timelines so its cool.
2 likesI have it on personal authority that Rick and Morty is God's favorite show.
1 likeHonestly I think the show has been trying to ground itself more recently with the final half of season 4 I think the Vat of Acid episode is a huge turning point back to the earlier seasons as for once Ricks actions seemed to have a more proper tone the the tone of that episode made it feel really cruel that he would go through all that trouble just to teach Morty to not question him and after Morty went on his own personal adventure he came back with a speech about living for something usually the episode would b played for a sardonic laugh but Morty genuinely loses a lot of respect for Rick after that eventually culminating in the finale where the whole family abandons Rick choosing to live with more purpose and heart then Rick
0 likesI am so very confused, why are we eulogizing this show? It is Still one of the greatest shows of all time
0 likesFor me season 3 was absolute peak, pickle rick being one of the best. Completely disagree with nihilism and don't think it's like the smartest show or w/e. I always really hated jerry, just unbearable every moment he was on screen outside of when he was miserable without bringing someone else down with him.
0 likesWow you nailed it. I never realized how lame it is that they made Rick Godlike. He fist fights a literal God in season 4
0 likesI mean I think the show just is more interested in developing Morty as a character after season 2. Morty changes a lot, he becomes more capable in almost every way not just jaded, and even then I dont think he's really all jaded
0 likesI remember that April fools day because what was SUPPOSED to air that day was the new episode of Samurai jack, a show that 4chan's /co/ board had been living for.
16 likesfor rick and Morty to air in it's place as an EPIC PRANK xD when the show had already been labeled as annoying, arrogant, and cringe, further cemented the hatred for it for allot of people.
By far the best analysis I've seen that isn't clickbait!
0 likesBut I think it has more to do with the behind the scenes with Justin Roland and Dan Harmon, or specifically Dan Harmon. Roland thought his part in rick and morty was the driving force but after solar we know better..... Dan and spotlight makes him nervous, look at his track record
It's its own feeling when you watch a show, love it for reasons unknown to you, and need to have your feelings explained to you by a YouTuber... It's somewhat hurtful
0 likesRick and morty is unique.
0 likesBut itâs the same as every other show.
Something great at some point.
Yet at one point ruined by the fandom.
Yet, there is light at the end of the tunnel.
Provided people arenât still pissed at a crude comic made years and years ago that has nothing to do with it.
Breaking Bad is another good example of a show changing because it got popular
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and also a good example on how to end a show at its peak.
19 likesAnd also also a good example on
1 likeGod, I love this show.
1 like(Why donât I watch it on Hulu anymore?)
I gotta say, i must be in the minority then. When the first season was ongoing, i watched something like 6 or 7 episodes, never found it even slightly guffaw-inducing funny but rather forced and trying very hard to be "clever", and dropped it at that. I deeply enjoyed Futurama, and still enjoy much of the Simpsons.
0 likesI love Futurama. My heart still hurts that its over, but holy shit Rick and Marty came out at just the right time. The season spaces could have been shorter but its just about on track now. We should end up having the same number of episodes. What I love the most about both Futurama and Rick and Morty is how each episode has a science or physics based thing at the heart of the episode or a science fiction based device like a mind switcher or time machine or a shrink ray/grow ray or a multiverse battery. I love a good crazy space adventure, I love the crazy gadgets . And I love the jokes. You can tell now that the first few Futurama seasons, the humor is outdated and heavily censored for TV. Rick and Morty is balls to the wall with the humor and gore or sexual content. I love any cartoon with a lot of sci-fi and outter space stuff, there just aren't a lot of shows in this setting. And for anyone that doesn't like the newer episodes, I have to disagree, the vat of acid episode is now one of my all time favorite episodes. Its an instant classic. Go watch it if you haven't.
0 likesGlad I was able to experience Rick and Morty.
0 likesIt has a lot of flaws in the third season but it is still better then 90% of the other Television out there
0 likesI remember staying up all night just to watch robot chicken, and I saw a SINGLE episode of Rick and Morty,
0 likesUgh... a show that hires people based on what is between their legs instead based on how well they do their job deserves to fail.
1 likeThough that is to be expected from Dan Harmon and Justin Roiland, the two degenerates (even though they are quality entertainers).
To everyone who is fine with that type of hiring, I just hope that when you need a doctor, you get treated by a doctor that got their job based on the arbitrary quotas that needed to be filled instead of them being a good doctor. :)
To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Rick and Morty. The humor is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of theoretical physics most of the jokes will go over a typical viewer's head. There's also Rick's nihilistic outlook, which is deftly woven into his characterisation - his personal philosophy draws heavily fromNarodnaya Volya literature, for instance. The fans understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of these jokes, to realize that they're not just funny- they say something deep about LIFE. As a consequence people who dislike Rick and Morty truly ARE idiots- of course they wouldn't appreciate, for instance, the humour in Rick's existencial catchphrase "Wubba Lubba Dub Dub," which itself is a cryptic reference to Turgenev's Russian epic Fathers and Sons I'm smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion as Dan Harmon's genius unfolds itself on their television screens. What fools... how I pity them. đ And yes by the way, I DO have a Rick and Morty tattoo. And no, you cannot see it. It's for the ladies' eyes only- And even they have to demonstrate that they're within 5 IQ points of my own (preferably lower) beforehand.
0 likesTo be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Rick and Morty. The humour is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of theoretical physics most of the jokes will go over a typical viewer's head. There's also Rick's nihilistic outlook, which is deftly woven into his characterisation- his personal philosophy draws heavily from Narodnaya Volya literature, for instance. The fans understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of these jokes, to realise that they're not just funny- they say something deep about LIFE. As a consequence people who dislike Rick & Morty truly ARE idiots- of course they wouldn't appreciate, for instance, the humour in Rick's existential catchphrase "Wubba Lubba Dub Dub," which itself is a cryptic reference to Turgenev's Russian epic Fathers and Sons. I'm smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion as Dan Harmon's genius wit unfolds itself on their television screens. What fools.. how I pity them. đ
0 likesAnd yes, by the way, i DO have a Rick & Morty tattoo. And no, you cannot see it. It's for the ladies' eyes only- and even then they have to demonstrate that they're within 5 IQ points of my own (preferably lower) beforehand. Nothin personnel kid đ
for what it is, I find Rick and Morty a very... sitcom-y show. At least in one aspect - for me at least it was very forgetable. a lot of scenes in this video, memes, pop-culture etc. I do not remember seeing. Ive seen every season as soon as it went live, but I just cant recall most stuff people show/reference from the show. Its good fun, yes, I enjoyed watching it, but much like sitcoms I dont remember its jokes, most characters etc. The fandom would have me believe my IQ is too low to understand the jokes so they make no sense beyond the initial shock value of most of it but I just think its a very fun series with clever humor, much above the level of similar media, but not much more than that and people just give it way too much credit
0 likesthis is what happens when the fans make the creators so tired of their own show because of all those stupid theories, and their reactions to said theories being wrong, that they dive bomb the planned stories just to try and get it over with, so they can make the show they actualy want to make.
0 likesThen he turns himself to a pickle, funniest shit I've seen.
1 likeThe hair plug execution earned my sub
0 likesNah, hiring the women was the problem. Harmon treated his writers arbitrarily and suffered for it.
1 likeI agree with this video, but I feel like season 4, even thought its terrible beginning is fixing these problems
2 likesThe family drama part is a little construed. Both for Star Wars and Rick and Morty, the "family drama" is just a reflected complication of; in Star Wars, morality and love, and Rick and Morty as more of search for meaning and attachment, while developing change between characters.
0 likesWhen people watch Rick N Morty, they're just expecting another Futurama. They wanted whacky sci fi stuff with robots n lazers and timey whimey stuff. What you end up getting is content more relatable to real life, which to some people, looks like actual science fiction...
6 likesThat may have sounded a lil pretentinous idk.
Keep up your good work Emp <3
pickle rick was a masterpiece
0 likesAbout 16 years ago I suffered a severe case of M.A.A.D. from Basil Fawlty from Fawlty Towers.
0 likesThe problem is that whenever a show/movie gets mainstream attention, it's bound to attract the cringe pundits.
0 likes"Rick and Morty got popular because it's a clever family drama. By the way, most people watch it because of literally every other aspect."
0 likesAm I the only one seeing the issue with the way he rationalized this?
Calling Star Wars sci-fi is like calling Lord or the Rings sci-fi. There are no scientific elements in it, nor explanation of technology. It also takes place in a "galaxy far far away", making it solidly fantasy. Star Trek takes place in an Earth future and focuses heavily on science and explaining technology.
0 likesFuck man, Adult Swim in general has aired some of the greatest television to ever exist.
1 likeAlso, anyone who says âhurr durr Im A rIcKâ is probably a bad person who nobody likes, so maybe I guess they are? Hm, interesting.
I resent myself for letting this video sit in my watch later for so long.
1 likeI mean if season 3 is the worst season then its of course the darkest show in the sense of being a dark age for the series
1 likeholy shit this video is actually sponsored by Keeps I thought it was just a bit :D hahaha well played sir
0 likesI'm putting it down, the best mid roll ad on YouTube and there are some absolute bangers.
2 likesJust found you today on a video about villains, and I really like that video and this one so imma subscribe, keep up the awesome work man
0 likesI originally watched the first two seasons and thought they were okay, and then I never watched any more.
1 likeThis is just a problem with shows in general.... when the fans start to basically write the show.
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Wait, couldn't this logic fit other shows like the Office or videogames like Team Fortress 2
1 likerick and morty fandom was like the portal fandom. i dont like being judged as a asshole for liking a 20mins show
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People hate the Portal fandom?
0 likes@Izaiah Florés the cake is a lie these 4 words explains why
0 likesthats why i like rick and morty so much. if it was just about science, i wouldn't be invested in it. Rick and Morty is ultimately about this dysfunctional family. There are many differences in each dimension, but the one constant is that their family has issues. That universal fact is something that they can never get away from.
0 likesThey can try, but they'll never succeed. Its a fate they'll have to bear. I don't care too much about the science, and in fact it kinda doesn't matter. The show explains the science enough to where it makes sense so you don't even need to understand the concepts before watching.
the magic that was in the first 2 seasons was amazing. i still enjoy rick and morty even now, but the initial start up is why i even started to like the show.
Just makes me wish more people watched Venture Bros
1 likeYouâre music selection is spot on
0 likesAh its 3:21 pm and just finished finished futurama's meanwhile. Indeed, what a great ending to a great series!
1 like5:02 wait, Cosmos: A Spacetime Odyssey was number 8 below Rick and Morty? I mean, yeah, I think it was a good show but I guess I just didnât realize that it was that popular
0 likes"Welcome to the age of the fandom."
1 likeMe: "TAke me back! I want to go back!"
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How old are you, sir
0 likes@azalla Old enough to know better.
0 likes@Hex the Warlock 14
0 likes@azalla lol way past that, but mentally? Accurate.
0 likesHuge respect for putting gex in the video
2 likesI've never watched Rick and Morty. When you said that starting season 3 quality went down and Rick got unexplicable super-powers, I called it that they hired chick writers. It's obvious. But you can;t say that. "Intellectuals" have a dogma that chicks are above criticizim and that my line of thinking is blasphemy -- even though chicks themselves constantly make jugements based on being a chick or a guy.
0 likes12:33 nice Unabomber reference. It was used perfectly.
0 likesI mean it just sounds like a tug of war, not as one-sided as you make it out to be. The fanbase is a group of people, not a force of nature. Fans see rick as nihilistic, so they make his caring side more obvious. Then fans got mad at them for writing more clearly ("the mystique of Rick's psychology" are you fucking kidding me man?), so they made the scenarios more nonsensical. So the fans got mad at the power scaling, so the writers emphasized the interpersonal conflicts. Then the fans got mad that the story was about a dysfunctional family... and on and on...
0 likesThe writers tried to please the fans and messed up the flow, same as george lucas and the prequels. Their best move should've been telling the fans to shut the fuck up.
still love that show
0 likesTrammell Starks, I tip my hat to you good sir. Nice choice in music 10:48
5 likesif nothing matters, you may as well be in a good mood.
0 likeswhyv odes it have to matter so much every season have fun its entertaining and has like 1000 episodes to go have faith in Dan Harmon for all his faults he can write the shit out of a show look at community
0 likesI dunno, i dont agree with the fandom part. I dont have to be a weeb to enjoy anime, and i dont have to have above avg iq to enjoy rick and morty.
0 likesStar Wars is Science Fantasy, hence its popularity.
0 likesStar Trek is Science Fiction, hence it being niche.
I'd argue Rick and Morty leans towards science fantasy.
Itâs a good show, people need to just see it as a show, not a fucking religion.
2 likesNo one: Rick and Morty is too deep for you to understand.
0 likesMe: Futurama with Pickle Rick go brrrrrr!
This video is a masterpiece
0 likesHonestly, jerry. His character is something disgusting and something deserving of respect. I urge you to find your own opinions on him and share, n if youre interested, ask me why i think this so.
0 likesThat pickle bit was painful.
0 likes3:40 Ah yes the show that had a bunch of people camping out in line at McDonald's and paying exorbitant prices for a sauce no one actually liked. Culturally significant indeed. Oof.
0 likes5:39 I mean the same thing happened that happens with everything, the honeymoon period ends and, some people, remember they can think for themselves and decide that maybe it wasn't the show of the century. Everyone else bandwagons at one end or the other.
11:48 Connecting there being no empirical, scientific reason to care about others and exploiting the goodwill of others is a pretty far stretch. That it wouldn't make a difference whether or not you did exploit the good will of others is bafflingly strange. Generally when you exploit the good will of others they catch on sooner or later and abandon you. Being surrounded with no one, and being surrounded by those you care for is a massive difference.
That aside, I like the honest look into the trouble the show's had on and off the screen.
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That sauce was good you take that back you monster man
0 likesI know what made people hate rick and morty, Dan Harmon putting his foot in his mouth talking about politics. He should of stayed out of it but he thought he was big enough he couldn't be touched.
0 likesHype dying off is the best thing it can have I feel. I've got hope it'll get better
0 likes3:56 ok but bruh that morty in the front is wearing his mask under his nose
0 likesWho says the show has gone down hill? Is it because they don't like waiting 2 years between seasons? Because that show is golden.
0 likesEmplemon, my favorite video essay channel slash part time YouTube pooper
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The phrase "part time pooper" put a smile on my face.
0 likesWhat ruined the show for me is that it started to seen like a woke propaganda piece. Simply using the show to not-so-subtley push the political message of the current year, at the expense of its own integrity
0 likes31:00 oh yeah i get it its a rick and morty reference
2 likes"September 2013 saw the end of one of the greatest episodic comedies of all time as Futurama aired its final episode." Okay, but... what great episodic comedy ended that same day?
2 likesFor me this is the definitive analysis of the show. I don't think I've seen a better dive into why the show is both so loved and hated.
0 likes31:00 i see what you did there hahaha
0 likesIf you rearrange the letters in "Cinema Hypothesis", you get "Depression"
0 likesâThere is nothing else like it on television.â except solar opposites lol
0 likesholy shit, quickest 35 minutes ever. nice one emp
2 likesHonestly I got a sense that Rick and Morty in season 4 was now trying too hard to be Rick and Morty again sort of like when Community was when Dan Harmon was fired. Like I still like the show with Rick and everything now but like others have said the show became popular, it couldn't just simply be what Justin and Dan wanted it to be, the fandom had to clash and interfere with their vision. Or maybe all this change in the show is symbolic for that the show can be whatever, like a hamster or donut shop without consequences being an entire huge reveal commentary on why it doesn't matter you love or hate the show cause it doesn't matter like this comment and everyone else's opinion on it or the anyone's really in any piece of media. But something less depressing and pathetic love this vid EmpLemon, great analysis.
0 likesI think you're taking the show too seriously.
0 likes"Nothing matters, everybody's gonna die, come watch TV".
Also Solar Opposites works because it's not Rick & Morty.
idk bruh i liked season 3 and didn't notice anything wrong or different about it and upon watching this i don't think id watch it with any different attitude in the future
0 likesIt really sucks that fandoms suck so much
0 likesI personally think that ricks nihilism is because of all that heâs done. He has such a god complex that when bad things happen he often doesnât care at the moment. However, over time he comes to look back on his actions and realizes heâs ruined and destroyed so many peoples lives. He seems to feel guilt for his past actions but canât allow anyone to see him as weak or emotional. So he decides to drink and push others away when his emotional side starts to get too attached.
0 likesSo 1 and 2 were infinity war, the rest is endgame. Got it!
0 likesIt all started with that damn McDonald sauce....
0 likes25:42 do people idolise Cartman?! Oh no, itâs worse than I thought!
0 likesbuddy masterful - more of u, please
0 likesWrong.
0 likesThe Sherlock Holmes fandom was a massive cultural phenomenon before TELEPHONES were available.
And before that, political parties and religions. They are cut from the same cloth as fandoms.
I cried when futurama ended.
3 likesThis video is an essay that is written in my writing style, and it's fucking weird.
15 likesThis channel needs more views.
1 likePeople are more depressed nowadays because of the economy and class struggles.
1 likeThe passive criticism again Film Theory is fucking beautiful
0 likesI love these videos theyâre nice background noise
3 likesThis is a commentiquette level ad with 10x the production value.
0 likesAlready got me with the Kendrick reference
0 likes"stars wars tell the story of a dysfunctional family" lol
0 likes32:16 dayum, how come season 3's premiere has such low numbers compared to everything else? Was something big happening the same day?
0 likesWriters get added to the shows all the time with no ill consequences. These gendr quotas killed the show and wrote mary sue Rick becasue they lack any real hardships irl and can't relate to problems. They don't want to crunch either.
0 likesBut EmpLemon can't say that, because he is now a big channel, and if he doesn't suck up to w*men, they will cancel him.
i agree and disagree with some of the criticism of season 3
0 likesThe fandom is cancer and so were the new writers on season 3.
0 likesThe whole fanbase in a nutshell:
0 likesr/im14andthisisdeep
took me a long time to realize that you were doing a sponsored bit
2 likescome on man like I want to watch the show and I like it but the fandom just makes it so cancerous that I donât even want to actually say that I like it feels bad good video though has some really good points that I still canât be good but I still can and yet still have flaws good video man donât look at my profile pic I swear to God I canât change it it physically doesnât work fuck YouTube.
0 likesOk yeah this SHIT WAS GOOD
0 likesAnd then season 4 came out and was an incoherent, stupid, poorly written mess that amplified everything bad about the show while simultaneously stripping away everything that made it unique and clever.
0 likes0:00 Yoooo, right out the gate with some esprit! Great music taste, my guy!
1 like23:29
0 likesthe fucking definition of cringe
i just enjoyed the show the only evidence of a bunch of casuals as the fandom was seeing cring tik tok compliations but i mean tik tok ruins everyithyng
0 likesThe real question is why you own a slightly worn out pickle Rick costume
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And why you have footage of flossing in it
0 likesHave this man watch season 4 the family dynamic change dramatically end of the season 4
0 likesMaybe the reason the show is so garbage nowadays is because he's now living in an alternate universe where nothing matters
0 likesnowadays people will make a fandom out of anything.
0 likeslike the youtube channel Dream.
Adult Swimâs anime block back in the day >
0 likesYou Give me mad LEMMINO vibes, take that anyway you want
0 likeswho else feels like Good Show m.A.A.d Fandom was inspired by Good kid, m.A.A.d city by Kendrick Lamar
2 likesSeason five will come out atalong with Halflive 3 and the final books of GoT.
0 likesHey man, can you lead me to where you found that sound at the beginning of the video?
0 likesSometimes I think this is just setting me up for a Penn Jillete âSHUT THE FUCK UPâ and a dive bomb descent into a Poop, hasnât happened yet on my 5th watch. Questionable emp
0 likesnormies ruin everything.
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Blame Twitter, Reddit and TikTok
1 likeDefine normie in this situation.
0 likesI heard that Tom Davies (Geowizard) original music in there, that's cool m8
0 likes12:42 because ignorance is bliss?
2 likesemplemon using Geowizard music??? damn
0 likesThe entire music in the background is from gran turismo I sware to god
0 likesThis is "just a theory" but if you listen to the Harmontown podcast (now cancelled by Dan himself) you realize Dan's divorce affected season 3 HEAVILY which is why season 4 is a little better.
0 likesm.A.A.d = religion
1 likeThe fans ruined the show for me
0 likesIâm sorry but the second I heard espirit at the start I subscribed
0 likes14:54 Tony Hawk's Skateboarding
0 likesThat Gorillaz beat in the background is SCHLANGIN
0 likesFuck that was a good ad though
0 likesI can hear Gorillaz "We are happy landfill" in the background at 25:40
0 likesHey, you used the music from the Walk Across Wales in a Straight Line!
0 likesMatPat: Sees this
1 likeMatPat: Begins having aneurysm
28:05 is that fucking gex??!??!?!?
1 likeWhy are the Simpsons always so green in these?
0 likesIs this the behind the meme dude or no?
0 likesDat seafood restaurant
0 likes2:43 insert supermario odyssey music
0 likesYeah thanks for bringing up Futurama...
0 likes7:28 Thanks. Now I want to play Gran Turismo 3
0 likesPeople forget Venture Bros. exists,
0 likesI still really like Rick and morty but I almost never talk about it partially because all the cringe that it spawned (the McDonald's sauce craziness and all trash the musicall.y)
20 likesIâd say BoJack Horseman does a better job on the theme of dysfunctional families and relationships anyways.
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It does a better job of having female writers too.
1 likeAdditionally, the season with a strong focus on MeToo and Diane's vietnamese heritage (I think it was 4) was soooo good. It was really one of the few times female (and Migrant) issues, media culture and all that stuff were genuinely well portrayed and it hit me really hard for an animated TV show.
1 likeIt was good. Season 4 ruined it completely though. Absolutely fucking awful.
0 likesGray video! but change the title đčđčđč you even know what m.A.A.d means ??
0 likesi thought rebel taxi chanced his voice.
17 likesturned out it was just emplemon.
is this the first episode of a possible future collaboration?
there will Never Ever be another cartoon like Rick & Morty.
7 likesNever admit you like this show.... and also never admit you think it's a low brow, vulgar, terrible show that's only popular because it's an edgy slapstick cartoon.
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In other words the first rule about Rick and Morty is we don't talk about Rick and Morty.
3 likesI'll wait for you, I'll wait for u forever. Ă the đ's
0 likesDitto, man. Ditto.
0 likesAdult Swim is like what YouTube should have been.
3 likesIdk, I like Season 3, because it feels like the show's making fun of itself.
1 likeTo be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Rick and Morty. The humour is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of theoretical physics most of the jokes will go over a typical viewer's head. There's also Rick's nihilistic outlook, which is deftly woven into his characterisation- his personal philosophy draws heavily from Narodnaya Volya literature, for instance. The fans understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of these jokes, to realise that they're not just funny- they say something deep about LIFE. As a consequence people who dislike Rick & Morty truly ARE idiots- of course they wouldn't appreciate, for instance, the humour in Rick's existential catchphrase "Wubba Lubba Dub Dub," which itself is a cryptic reference to Turgenev's Russian epic Fathers and Sons. I'm smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion as Dan Harmon's genius wit unfolds itself on their television screens. What fools.. how I pity them. đ
9 likesAnd yes, by the way, i DO have a Rick & Morty tattoo. And no, you cannot see it. It's for the ladies' eyes only- and even then they have to demonstrate that they're within 5 IQ points of my own (preferably lower) beforehand. Nothin personnel kid đ
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Is this a joke or copypasta
0 likesI see what you did there with the title đ
1 likeThis is very poorly written. Almost too many instances where you speak as if its an objective fact when it can be interpreted in the complete opposite way.
1 likeSame thing with Berserk
0 likesBushworld Adventures > Anything else Dan Harmon has touched
103 likesDEBATE ME COMMIES
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Didnât he have something to do with community?
5 likes@Based Battle Droid
10 likes"prime minister"CEO âïž
Debate them...... in Bendigo.
3 likes@Alberto C. Routwell SAAAAAAXTON HAAAAAAAAAALE
2 likesCommie here. I agree its good.
2 likesWe are going to Bendigo to get me cubes, Morty.
4 likescommunity??? slander
1 likeCommunity is running in circles around literally anything you can think of
2 likesi stopped watching after season 2
0 likesThanks Mattoons for letting me know about this amazing video and channel.
3 likesAnd emplemon turns himself into a pickle, funniest shit I've ever seen
5 likesNo one going to acknowledge heâs playing a black heart revenge beat in the very beginning?
4 likesThat pickle Rick sleeping bag is pretty dope though.
3 likesThen season 4 happened
0 likesBruh I respect how you used âWe Are Happy Landfillâ as music talking about the fandom
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Nice Gorillaz song that should have been released on Demon Days rather than a side album.
1 likeThere will never ever be a game like Kid Icarus Uprising
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There probably will
10 likesMight take 25 years though
there will never ever be a show like mde presents world peace
1 like:(
0 likesI disagree but I respect your opinion
0 likesBing Bing wahoo cringe
1 likeI'm just hoping they make a new switch game
1 likeI dumped so many hours into it as a kid. Even without my nostalgia, it was an amazing and unique game. I'd love to see emplemon cover this.
0 likesIf you ask me Futurama was a better show than Rick and Morty overall.
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Yes
1 likeOverall
0 likesThat one imbecile: GUYS I HAVE AN ORIGINAL THEORY: WHAT IF MORTY WAS IN A COMA AND EVERYTHING IS A DREAM
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I think the whole purpose of what he does is to provide a different perspective on a subject, but with that being said, those perspectives are unoriginal and bland.
0 likesRick and Morty: A dumb show with great writing and a terrible fandom
42 likesI cant wait for when pickle rick comes up
7 likesThereâs a good definition for the references. Itâs called âKey Jinglingâ.
8 likesI started watching again once the "pickle Rick" memes stopped đ
3 likesMeh i stil like the show
0 likesi watched the whole sponsored segment in complete disbelief
4 likesâStay tuned for the Downward Spiral
5 likesafter these messages.â
I love how ironic that the song played in the season 2 finale was Hurt by Nine Inch Nails in the album The Downward Spiral.
Aqua Teen Hunger Force was one of the greatest shows of the 2000s
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100% agree
1 likeAmen
1 likeWilliam TOAD Iâm gonna become a newcomer fan of that show relatively soon.đđđđ
0 likes@Elis D Yea it has the stupidest formula but works really well.
0 likesI still think that show defines Adult Swim next to Space Ghost Coast to Coast.
0 likesI didn't like season 4. 3 episodes in I just stopped.
0 likesjust ignore the community
1 likeMetalopocalypse is one on Adult Swims most underatted shows tbf
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Thatâs a scientific fact
0 likesOblongs is terribly underrated too.
3 likesEh, I think it's perfectly rated. The people who should love it, pretty much do. It's got some unnecessary Family Guy/Office space cringe comedy bits that take it down a notch IMO. Will the story arc end? Who knows? At least we got some damn good songs and a different style of metal lyrics out of it.
1 like@Kenneth Westervelt elaborate on your point about "cringe comedy" moments.
0 likes@Kenneth Westervelt Its stuck in limbo from what i know
0 likes@john titor The awkward whale scientists was the worst section by far.
0 likeshol up, season 4 ended? Huh, the finale felt like just another episode more... there are some episodes in season 3 and season 4 that I really really like and some jokes that I find very funny but yeah season 2 was the peak.
6 likesAhh, Rick and Morty.
9 likesMy favorite family drama
clanton background music đ¶ đ
0 likessounds like it suffered the same fate as most show like sword art online and game of thrones
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spongebob too ;-;
0 likesHow SAO?
0 likeslmao i watch this show cause it's funny i don't care for philosophy
4 likesBro fandoms for a lot of shit suck. I like dragon ball and my hero but a lot of people in their fandoms garbage lol and yea rick and mortys fandom god awful. Im ashamed to show i like it still lol
0 likesI want to like Rick and Morty, but unfortunately my IQ is just too small
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IQ isnât measured by size ;-;
0 likes@Mr. Drip guess that just proves my point that my brain is not big brain.
0 likesSo why are the simpsons green on this channel?
0 likesI did not expect that advertisement... A CINEMA HYPOTHESIS!!!
15 likesGood critique of media planning, arc writing, episodic writing, and character writing. Some good insights. Nice job Emp.
1 likeConsidering I just injected the entire 4 seasons into my veins over two days, this perspective on the shifting tone of the series was rather interesting. I didn't quite notice the shift as much but that's probably a consequence of timescale as much as tidbits of the original themes sticking around despite the midway shift, nevertheless I still got the underlying message loud and clear by the end of my ride. Great content as always and great analysis of the core evolution of the show.
2 likesI've watched two of your videos now and you blow my mind with your accurate analyses and fair conclusions. You have my subscription and views. Keep up the good work!
0 likesI always thought Season 3 didn't feel the same, and I think you really hit the nail on the head: they changed the way they were writing the show. That said, I still think the show's headed in a good direction. I liked Season 4 a lot more than Season 3 (even if the gratuitous pop-culture references get annoying, coming from a character like Rick), and the end of that season has me hopeful for what's coming in Season 5.
0 likesThis reminds me so much of the transition between Russell T Davies and Steven Moffat in Doctor Who. Davies kept the character relatively âgroundedâ in terms of power level; sure he has a magic time traveling box and multiple lives, but heâs still very fallible and prone to error. Heâs just a guy who happens to have enough smarts and tech to muddle his way through saving people from bad guys. Once Moffat took control, the Doctor became an invincible force of nature charged with saving the entire universe from various threats. At that point, so much of the interest was lost without the relatability (Matt Smith did his best, bless him, but you canât perfectly cover up bad writing with good acting)
0 likesIf I could use one word to describe the show âitâs a very unique showâ
1 likeI was also in high school watching the show when it first started, the problem is it went mainstream, as much as people knock on "hipster types" you can't argue that the fanbase of shows getting too big can hurt them in the end, one the popularity exploded it was cool know that so many others enjoyed this show I've been watching for awhile, but then it got to a point where it was affecting my enjoyment of the show, like the whole "sauce thing" made me embarrassed to be a fan.
0 likesThe first two seasons definitely stand on their own. Some of the best tv ever made imo. I did really like S3 as well but I feel like S4 went off the rails a bit. I will still await S5 eagerly and I hope they can get at least some of the magic back. I haven't been so excited for a show like I was after I discovered R&M since I don't know, maybe when Avatar TLA came out? The first two season really are that good.
0 likesIn my first semester of college, I watched a lot of Adult Swim because I hadn't fully embraced youtube by that point. Rick & Morty looked like a great diversion from all the the Seth McFarlene shows and the promos were really unique. I watched it and I really liked season 1 and then season 2. I was liking it even more than the Venture Bros. By the time season 3 really came around, it did feel different. By the end of it, I was more interested in Ball Masterz, on after Rick & Morty. I haven't watched the 4th season and I might never. It'll still probably be fun, but I can think usually find more interesting things to watch. Maybe it'll draw me back in, but there isn't anything really worth watching on Adult Swim anymore.
0 likesI've never ever seen a Rick and Morty episode, but this video made me want to watch the first 2 seasons. Thanks!
0 likesThe pickle Rick episode was my first Rick and Morty episode and actually got me into the series. Funny how the episode that got me into it is the same that put people offđ
0 likesI love the advertisement. Thank you for making me not want to skip it. Quality entertainment.
0 likesI love rick and morty. I love the science, the philosophical undertones, the characters, all of it.
0 likesI even like how they split between serialized episodes and one off episodes like interdementional cable. I feel like it really shows Rick and morty off in a way thatâs special.
Some of the actions in previous episodes have consequences in the future, but then again some episodes have actions that donât matter in the future ones. I think thatâs cool.
I donât know what Iâm trying to say. I just like how some episodes have more consequences then others. Kind of like real life. Some actions in real life have larger and more severe consequences than others.
Iâm a big fan of Rick and morty and I donât despise the newer seasons at all. I like them just the same as the old ones. Because they hold to the same formula. Cool characters, philosophical undertone, and cool sci-fi. They also stick to the winning formula in other ways as well. Some episodes in the newer seasons have actual real consequences, while other episodes are just one offs like the original interdementional cable. To me, the seasons arenât that different. Characters are still developing, some episodes matter, some episodes dont, and there is cool science.
Also, I just want to say something. While at times Rick can seem unstoppable like you said, season 4 makes it very apparent he isnât. Rick actual got beat up several times in season 4 and it just shows as a reminder that despite him seeming unstoppable, he isnât.
I may be going on to long but I really like the show in how it goes about serialized and episodic episodes. And sometimes they throw in serialized aspects into episodic episodes. Does that make sense? Like in interdementional cable, gazorpazorpfield came on and Rick says âhey gazorpazorp, isnât that where the whole sex robot came from? Remember that whole thing?â (Thatâs not word for word but thatâs the gyst), and I think thatâs cool. Adding some world building and serialization into other wise episodic episodes is a nice bonus. Long story short, I like how they have serialized and episodic episodes and I like how they sometimes add serialized undertones to otherwise episodic episodes (if that makes sense lol).
I think people are too hard on the show. If you really sit back and look, the show hasnât changed that much. We still get reminders that Rick isnât unstoppable, we still get cool science concepts, we still get character development, we still get cool world building and story, and we still get cool whacky one off episodes mixed in with serialized episodes with an underlying story.
And thatâs another thing I like. The story of Rick and morty isnât always flat out pointed out or stated, in some episodes the story is an underlying theme that you have to see for yourself and it adds to the greater story as a whole. Just a cool balance between all. Like in the first episode of season 4 at the end rick says âthere is a lesson here but Iâm not gonna figure it outâ. I think that could be a message to the audience that not all the story points are gonna be pointed out, some have to be inferred and figured out on your own.
For example, I think one of the cool character developments and story points is with how Beth learns to not be so subservient to Rick and to not be so afraid of him leaving. This is a theme throughout the whole show I think you forgot to mention. And it hits a sort of climax for Beth in the 4th season. In the very first episode rick grabs morty to go on an adventure and Beth says âdad there is a way we do this nowâ. I just think there are a lot of different individuals stories mixed into a greater story that all the seasons tell nicely.
Point being, the show isnât in a downward spiral. It is still doing all the great things it has been. It might do them a bit differently sometimes, but different isnât bad. Itâs different. Hell the whole show is different from every other show out there.
It would take way to long for me to type out each individual character arc, individual story, and how they each contribute to the greater story as a whole, but the point being is they are still there, even in the later seasons which people seem to hate on. You get my point. The awesomeness in the first two season is still there in the two most recent seasons.
I like Rick and morty. Basically what Iâm trying to say lol.
I feel like people focus on the aspects of the show that indulge nihilistic behavior and miss the fact that the entire show is a cautionary tale for nihilism.
0 likesHonestly I thought it was great to think I was the only one who watched Rick and Morty on Adult Swim, a channel that I thought it was so stupid that not even adults would tune in to it, I love the dark humor and references that sometimes goes over my head, it makes me want to dig in more, Rick being an unstoppable force that defies other characters and itâs sci fi themes, its pretty good. I want to know whatâs going to happen to Evil Morty.
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I also love some of the fandom that makes nice art work, like Rick being the Joker or PennyWise.
0 likesGreat video; nice to give some credit to predecessors that paved the way like Futurama and Simpsons - but how could you leave out Venture Bros?!? Criminal!
0 likesThe first episode of season one is still one of my favorite episodes of television Iâve seen
0 likesI remember the first time I watched Rick and morty. It was around 2:00AM and I watched the parasite episode while drinking a monster energy. I loved the humor and watched all the way to the end of season 3. I knew season 3 felt off but never could point out why. I wish the family drama and extremely depressing themes that werenât just there for shock value. I also gotta say that the fandom went too far. After the Szechuan sauce indecent I ended up dropping the show. I still have fond memories of the show but I wish it could have lived up to what it tried to set up in season two. Also fandoms can sometimes be cool like the Hazbin hotel fandom bringing the show to such popularity that it got picked up by A24 to have its first season produced.
0 likesI learned how to separate a fandom from a show when I learned about supernatural
0 likesI feel like everyone loves the show its just that they dont want to be known that they are fans
0 likesMaybe it was because I never ever engaged with the fandom and avoided it like the plague, but not only do I think that Rick and Morty was a good show, but I would go so far as to call it a great show. And I absolutely agree that the fandom is absolutely garbage. The whole Szechuan sauce obsession and pickle rick and all of that. But I never really noticed a big "change" in the quality or direction of the show. You make good points about how the fandom changed the show but I never really noticed a change until you pointed it out. And even if there WAS a change, I don't watch the show to look super deep into it trying to get the meaning of life from it, I watch it because I like the characters and the environments and creative the show can be. Things like the vat of acid episode are what (to me) make the show so good. That whole episode was about rick doing something because he wanted to and eventually ended up as him doing something purely because he could or to get his point across. I'm honestly glad less people are watching it because the less people that watch it, the less likely it is that people start raving about how you have to have a high IQ or start worshipping pickle rick. I honestly love the show and season 4 kept delivering. I only hope that the fandom dies off and people forget about all the cringe that surrounded the show so that it just becomes another show I like to watch and not something to be looked down upon.
0 likesI offer an alternative interpretation of Pickle Rick and the rest of Season 3.
0 likesRick had become a seasoned killing machine because of how many near-death situations he had been in with Morty.
I feel like the Pickle Rick episode gets a bad rap because of the fandom. I thought it was a really insightful take on the importance of therapy and how important it is for people who may identify as "Ricks." And yeah, it was heavy-handed and condescending and way too on-the-nose, but so is therapy.
0 likesA few years ago when the show was at it's all time high, not too long before series 3 came out I was clubbing and some strangers came up to me through the night...as they do with my spikey outfits. Anyway some of them brought up Rick and Morty. I wasn't invested in the show like they were and they would drone on about it. A couple of them literally stopped talking to me because I didn't want to talk about JUST that show...really it was weird. The show is alright and I was happy to talk about it a bit but some people seemed to fall in love with the damned thing.
0 likesYou may be on point with M.A.A.d. House and Scrubs had everyone in my high school emulating House, Dr. Kox, and the custodian.
0 likesthat was a really good ad not gunna lie i didn't mind watching it in fact i wanted it to continue
0 likesTo be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Emplemom. The humor is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of theoretical physics most of the jokes will go over a typical viewer's head. There's also Rick's nihilistic outlook, which is deftly woven into his characterisation - his personal philosophy draws heavily from Narodnaya Volya literature, for instance. The fans understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of these jokes, to realize that they're not just funny- they say something deep about LIFE. As a consequence people who dislike Rick and Morty truly ARE idiots- of course they wouldn't appreciate, for instance, the humour in Rick's existencial catchphrase "Wubba Lubba Dub Dub," which itself is a cryptic reference to Turgenev's Russian epic Fathers and Sons I'm smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion as Dan Harmon's genius unfolds itself on their television screens. What fools... how I pity them. đ And yes by the way, I DO have a Downward spiral tattoo. And no, you cannot see it. It's for the ladies' eyes only- And even they have to demonstrate that they're within 5 IQ points of my own (preferably lower) beforehand.
0 likesI swear I have never heard a bad take from this channel
0 likesCan't I just like the show but think nothing of it? Thats how I've felt after watching Rick and Morty. Good show, enjoyed it but moved on quickly. It's just a show, surely it had it's peak but again, nothing can be great forever. I've just enjoyed it but I didn't try to look for deeper meaning.
0 likesLove the show, wouldnât be caught dead wearing the shows merch
0 likesImagine thinking the show that destroyed adult swim is even comparable to futurama
0 likesYou had me you almost had me up until 16:11 xD
0 likesYou know I used to get the downward spiral thing, but now less than a downward spiral its you becoming an actually good commentary channel, since nowhere to go but up. Level headed takes in my view. And about the writers thing, saying its because theyre women is just absolutely wrong, but saying theyre completely unrelated and mandated women who have nothing to do with the series is about right. Maybe theyre not unrelated, I dont know, but from what Ive heard they just dont know what the idea is fully.
0 likesAnd theres a small possibility that maybe being women is the issue due to different social issues and overall behavior, but I dont think thats the cause of the issue at all, its mostly the obligatory gender quota.
Editing. The editing was super coooool. Keep doing this đđđ
0 likesI like the show, and will be hyped to see the next episode or season. Maybe buy some merch like a shirt or a figurine or even a poster.
0 likesHowever it ends there, when when I was a huge doctor who fan I wasn't ever deep into the fandom. I enjoy rick and morty like I do my favorite movies. It isn't my life but I do enjoy it. Some episodes I don't like, some I adore, just a show I really like and that's it
That's one of the main and best reason people love the show, an Invincible overpowered God that has unlimited power and intellect
0 likesMaybe I am just a dumb man. However, I really liked the therapist talk in Rick n Morty. It really opened my eyes to what Rick was, and I think there are many other mysteries left in the show. I don't think that talk ruined everything. I actually had that mind-blowing moment when she talked. I watched it a few times, and I thought about what she was saying for a while. I think it was one of the best scenes because it actually made me think. It turned my brain on.
0 likesThis video actually made it all make sense for me, why I began to hate what the show had become. It pointed out every single flaw I had with season 3 (except for one thing, I'll get into that later), and even spoke, verbatim, my exact thought process behind it... but I could never figure out exactly what made the series tick up until I finally had the time to watch this video. I was introduced to this show by my sisters, and I watched all of what was available from the first two seasons (S3 was in production at this time). With season 3, I watched its premiere on April 1st, but that was it. Seeing Pickle Rick when that episode premiered made me lose interest in the series. One of my friends that I introduced to Rick & Morty wanted to sit down and watch season 3 with me, and though he could see some of the flaws I saw, he was actually somewhat irritated with how much criticism I had until he began to see everything I was pointing out. Even the ads, for how much of a chuckle they get out of me for how much they seem to be self-aware, are just marketing and consumerism having taken control. I knew that was one of the biggest flaws of the show from S3 forward, alongside the characters not being the same and the show's distinct charm being all but absent, but what made the first two seasons so great was so simple, yet so deep in the background - the show, at its core, was a family drama layered underneath improv, science fiction, and comedy, and seasoned with a little bit of blatant self-awareness. And it took this video to make me realize, and piece together the puzzle of just how it all went wrong.
0 likesIn other words, this video is incredible. Great job, Lemon.
You make a ton of great points. You are probably right that the fandom has influenced the show, but Rick is the smartest man in the universe. So smart in fact that he knows he's in a show. That's why he is a nilist, that's why he knows nothing matters. He knows to some degree he cant die, he can only be cancelled. When you talk about the family becoming more nilistic that becasue they too are coming to terms with being inside a television show. When you say that they jumped the shark, they didn't, they are burning through all the good ideas to stay alive. Sure they are catering to the fandom, but the fandom is what gives them literal life.
0 likesA combination of futurama, regular show, and Freddy got fingered... a combo I would have never thought of but itâs pretty accurate.
0 likesRick and Morty should've ended in season 2. It was a really good finale.
0 likesIdk I even like the third season. But the fourth definitely makes this video ring true
0 likesThe problem with fandoms is the loud minority usually shapes everyone's opinions on all the people who enjoy that media. Go in depth to just about any "toxic" or "cringe" fandom any usually a majority of the fans are normal people who like said media
0 likesI loved the first season but after that I lost interest. It just felt it kinda went down a weird route and it lost its identity
1 likeI interpret Rick turning into a god as jerry leaving the family lifting a moral
0 likesâBall and chainâ, rick constantly had to be careful around morty because of what jerry wanted, and Ik that sounds hypocritical since Rick almost kills morty in every episode seasons 1-2,
But tbh thatâs the most logical answer for it
As somebody who enjoys Metal, I know what it is like to see MAD fans.
0 likesAnyone else still remember watching the first season on YouTube when it first came out on adult swim, with the pitches shifted?
2 likesI get the dissatisfaction with Rick being unbeatable with body augments in season 3. It isn't that exciting, but I don't actually agree that it breaks his character. After being imprisoned, having Beth divorce Jerry, Morty being traumatized, and Summer becoming more and more like him, I think he's more paranoid now than he's ever been. What Emp said about his character being about realizing his actions have consequences ties into this well; he knows that the action that will have likely THE most devastating consequences would be his death, so now he's doing everything he can to make sure he doesn't loose a fight. This leads to him being overconfident in season 4 when he tries to fight an actual god and is only saved when Morty crashes a ship into the god's brain. Rick knows that now that he's starting to care and take into account future consequences, his death would be more painful to his family than ever.
0 likesThe ending of futurama was so sad and sweet it was great
0 likes14:15, the windows of the building look like a character looking down at rick. The way they draw the eyes đ
0 likesIt's a very good point that the show is about a dysfunctional family. Though personally, that's my least favorite part of the show.
0 likesIn TV Tropes terms, Rick can be characterized as a Straw Vulcan.
0 likes"...a show unlike anything the network had produced before..."
0 likesFrankenhole: Am I a joke to you?
That one part that roasted film theory S L A Y E D me!
1 like6:46 Damn, Beth is taking care of Bojack
0 likesyet another example of how power structures, hierarchies and consumer cultural memes self-perpetuate. We all want a big, evil baddie to point the finger at, but we're really the ones doing it.
0 likesremember: those that idolize rick are missing the point. Just because our lives won't matter millions of years from now that doesn't mean that we can't work to improve the lives of our friends and family in the now. I do my damndest to help my sister raise my Nephew because I care about the two of them deeply, and I want my nephew to have a healthy upbringing that will net him a better adulthood later in life. If someone were to tell me my efforts were a waste and that my nephew wouldn't matter in a million years I'd punch them in the mouth and say 'it may not matter then, but it matters now' and that statement would invalidate their whole sentiment
0 likesI felt like something changed in the season3 and couldn't figure out what , well I think you are straight on point , also like yeeaahhh I would be ashamed of being fan of it too
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The one thing that sticks out to me from changing is the hype around the third season. Before it was just a build up of two great seasons and with it ending on a cliff hanger everyone was excited to see it back. With April Fools coming around everyone was shocked and ready to watch it all. What went wrong in my opinion is that they kept playing the episode all night long with previews of the upcoming season. You kept hearing schean sauce, kept seeing Pickle Rick, and saw the small shorts of the show.
1 likeI feel like thats where it started at least.
@NrettG I haven't seen anything like that since I just watched it on Netflix , it's on Netflix in Europe
0 likesOk so I fully get what your saying, but tbh when I rank the series I go 1- season 4 (best season, every episode except Special ricktims morty was fantastic, and I thought the characterization was perfect for everyone) and then season two, Then one, then 3. I just think 3 is pretty average, I donât think the entire last half of the show is low quality
0 likespickle rick is funny its just people took it WAY too far.
0 likesThat was very well said
0 likesI still love Rick and Morty
0 likes6:42 oh how right you are, but how wrong you put it. The real story behind Rick and Morty is that Rick is Morty and Morty (Citadel) is Rick, so it literally is about their identity.
0 likesThe anti-fandom is also annoying
120 likes"Oh I like rick and morty"
"CRINGE!!!!! DONT YOU KNOW THE FANDOM IS CRINGE!!!!!!"
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That's true for so many things lol
6 likesThat's absolutely true but the difference is that the anti-fans are half right, perhaps that they talk about the negative aspects of the fandom and not the positive ones which they are mistaken it as whole. In my opinion, these "haters" are pretty much aware of the toxic fandoms but I don't want to defend them since both anti-fans and toxic fans are equally worst at their best for these reasons:
10 likes- Haters always belittled someone for little to no reason and used their "criticism" to insult your efforts and insult you with no mercy whatsoever. But there are times that they are correct about something went wrong on the Internet, even their points are cynical and mean-spirited.
- Toxic fans are killjoys who ruined pretty much everything. The positive side is having fun and enjoying what they love, while these morons always making an unhealthy obsession of the things they love and acting like a chatterbox. This makes people get irritated and take a full blame on the show which it's wrong but I can't blame them.
Occasionally, the fandoms do damage the show but they aren't aware that they unintentionally destroyed it. If you are a toxic fan who questioned why the show was ruined in the first place, then that's on YOU. If I said "occasionally", then that's the time they went too far.
Remember when Cyberpunk 2077 was delayed by the developers to fix the issues but the fans were so impatient that gave death threats on them just to force them to release? Well, it's basically a huge disappointment because of said issues and the developers got caught into the legal battle with lawsuits. Well, all the glitches in the game are the rewards for being such an impatient moron. You deserved what you get.
i hate when a show has a toxic fandom then you cant make refs anymore
5 likesOh no, it's an anti-anti-fandom comment, shit's going too meta
4 likes@Pyynö anti-anti-anti-fandom >:)
0 likesthat cinema hypothesis bit is gold
0 likesSounds like it became a victim of it's own success.
3 likesDonât let this distract you from the fact that rick and morty is the funniest shit youâve ever seen
1 likeHandiquacks was a typical Adult swim show, wonder how their brainstorming sessions looked.
0 likesI also hate it when a show completes its arc unsatisfyingly like Voltron and then fades into obscurity.
0 likesme and my dad recently watched three seasons of rick and morty. my dad now frequently yells "I'M PICKLE RICK" with no provocation. send help
0 likesI dont think you understand the therapist scene. Sure it blatantly explains the issues, but i don't think thats the part intended for the audience. Firstly because pretty much all of it was easily assumed already, and the scene after is way more important
0 likesBeth and Rick both have their flaws spelled out to them directly. No filter. What do they do with that? Nothing. They don't accept those flaws and deny them. I feel that was more what they were getting across.
those taps on the iPad are timed perfectly with the song 3:44
0 likesGod I miss the old adult swim, in England itâs now on E4 itâs on at 11 and is mainly rick and Morty re runs, I miss watching the devil swallow a kitten while at 2 in the morning.
0 likesI donât know why but for some reason I take this video as gospel. I keep coming back to it
0 likesthat ad was insane, props to you
0 likesMy friend had an inflatable pickle rick chair. I'm glad that our other fat friend popped it by sitting on it.
0 likes7:28 you don't just put Gran Turismo music in a video about Rick and Morty's philosophy
0 likesSorry man, I really like your videos, and opinions are opinions, but I gotta say I disagree HARD.
0 likesRick and Morty is a great show, and it got lucky and became mainstream. Sure, there have been some changes through the years as the show goes on, but itâs still a great show. Pickle Rick became so popular because of the commercial, IMO. Itâs still actually a great episode, youâre not really giving it enough credit. Season 3 was the weakest probably, but still had some of my all time favorite episodes in it too. Point being, Rick and Morty has a deal with adult swim, and theyâll be making more episodes for a long time.
ngl when i watched the pickle rick episode, I thought of how before he was at the appointment how awesome he was fucking up those rats and all the cool fighting and stuff, and after he was explained by the therapist, he was boring and just angry and wanted it to end already.
0 likesSounds to me like they deliberately put it in to point out how if they actually gave anything away it'd ruin the show through a lack of mystique surrounding those situations.
I mean I could be assuming a bit much, but it's always felt like it's a dig at the audience for wanting something they shouldn't get (the truth and not theories) because it'd be destructive for what they're wanting it for (the show).
Rick and Morty works best when it's not tied to the drama, and simply explores it in a way that makes it enjoyable and thoughtful. Too much of an attempt to have "intelligent humour" ruins the joke half the time and I feel the creators knew this.
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oooooo listen to me making think words i m smart omg look at my inteligent
0 likesnah but legit I feel like it was a dig at the audience for being.... well, full of assumptions for the show.
I honestly had no idea that people turned sour on this show. Is this what happens when non-stoners watch shows best enjoyed stoned and take them far too seriously? It's just a funny show. I get digging deep into art, but I don't think this is really the best show for that. It has insights and deeper meanings, sure, but it's meant to be entertaining, which it is generally. Chill out and enjoy life.
0 likesrick and morty for me will never replace futurama
0 likesRick and Morty with Super Mario Odyssey music is way too fitting.
0 likes"Basically just Rick and Morty with extra steps" đ€Łđ€Ł
2 likesYo you really should give more credit to solar opposites. It's a completely different show.
0 likesEmp, every time I hear the Adult Swim theme, I think about Mankind getting dumped off of the cell due to your Never Ever wwe video.
1 likeI'm not clever enough, but there's a joke about Keeps and the show growing the beard in there somewhere
0 likes"To be fair, you have to have a very high EQ to understand Rick and Morty." the description bugged.
0 likescinema hypotsis
0 likesdude
I wanna congrat the genious behind all this monumental video. My life will never be the same
How about season 4? Im just curious as to what you think about it. I havent watched it but wagching this video makes me want to see how it is
0 likesI watched a couple episodes that people said were the "best" and it was fucking cringe, not funny and juvenile. Good video though
2 likesI think Season 4 didnt have the magic Season 1 and 2 did
0 likesSo Rick is downward spiral just like Emplemon?
0 likesGod,those shots at game theory where so hard.
0 likesHappy to see you pop up in my recommendations again. Glad to see you again man
0 likesI'm going to keep watching but at 19:19 you're wrong. Susan Sarandon or Dr. Wong (racist name by the way) is incapsulating the obvious through the lens of psychiatry. She not telling the audience anything they don't already know, unless of course you've never sat in on a family therapy session. The brilliance of that particular scene is that the show finally is taking a very hard look at the dysfunction of Beth and Rick even going so far as to foreshadow what would happen in season 4. That's what good writers do. They understand where they're going and why the destination matters as much as the journey. Rick & Morty the show (not the characters) reflect back at us our own human nature.
0 likesI promise you: anyone who hates this show hates themselves and only wants to be the most Rick of Ricks. Watch it again, I'm right.
edit: i hate adult swim since their handling of Metalocolypse. I'd been with AS since the beginning and I honestly don't know what happened to them. I assume they became so full of themselves they fancied themselves above their own content, as if they could exist without it. as if THEY are the talent. I'll never watch AS again... I pirate Rick and Morty. Sorry Dan.
That ESPIRIT came outta no where good video too
0 likesI wish you would have addressed the controversial baby clips from Chris. To me, thatâs why I didnât hop into the show late.
0 likeshmm interesting take i understood the pickle rick episode in a different way coming from the angle if y take all the family and plot and logic away from rick y see what he really is a smart unstable psychopath that enyoys violence killing and andterror more then anything else if never seen him animated so "happy" or alive as when he just was murdering everything and when the scene with the therapist happend he was like fuck this i love murder and basic instinctive needs and i dont need some deeper reason for it always thought that the therapis thought she had it figurred out with some depper meaning and not realising she had a creature of instinct infront of her as to changing him to a killing machine from that point on i thought he was just applying his sience to murder instad of all the different stuff he did before and so would rationaly get much better at killing stuff anyway was interesting vid wanted to present my way of loking at it and would love to hear some anwsers sorry for the abyssmal spelling i am high on so many painkillers for my back pain atm ^^
0 likesThat tony hawk music was a nice touch
0 likesImagine having your show peak at season 2
0 likesThis post was made by the boondocks gang
Iâll never forget the time that Adult swim hosted a show for Tf2
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Wasnt that a commercial tho?
0 likes@Fericas32 There was an add for the show but expiration date was the pilot (and only) episode for a tf2 TV show
0 likes@Mr. Metro But that was a promo for the venture bros wasnt it? It wasnt an promo of the show
0 likes@Mr. Metro Also it was only rumored that expiration date was for a show.
0 likesIt was for the love and war update if I remember correctly
Marketing ruins everything
2 likesI'll always miss futurama
0 likesIt's juice and jam time 14:55
1 like20:52 Is that Custom Robo battle music?!
0 likesIts similarity to Gex is uncanny
0 likesThat's a God-tier title.
0 likesgonna do a thesis which is pretty a deconstruction of this show through an existentialist lense
0 likesEMPLEMON I AM SO DISSAPOINTED, YOU DIDNT USE THE HEAVY CLIP FROM MEET THE MEDIC WHERE HE MOWS DOWN A BILLION SOLDIERS WHILST UBERED THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN A BETTER CLIP FOR "an invincible killing machine"
0 likesToday I learned there was a season 4 of rick and morty.
5 likeshuh.
You realize that Home Movies isn't an Adult Swim original, right? It aired on UPN about two years before it was picked up by Adult Swim. For what it's worth, though, Adult Swim was willing to give it a chance after UPN canned it only 5 episodes in.
0 likesI have to watch anime in secret because of the whole community.
0 likesI guess people dont see as a show about family because its not called The Sanchez and theres only 2 family members on the cover
0 likes> you found a wishbone in your turkey. đŠ
0 likes> you wished for __ luck.
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if you chose the option with the most votes, youâll get the opposite.
if you chose the option with the least votes, youâll get the opposite.
this is basically the equivalent of stuff happens bullshits inevitable
0 likesNice video!
0 likesAfter the mad max episode the danger held no weight
0 likesI thought people loved it still :P
0 likesNever watched it though
Cinema Hypothesis>Film Theory
0 likesYou know who else it was a hit with MY MOM!
0 likesCan u plz drop a list of the songs in the video. I listed to most of these songs 5 years ago, but I forgot the names ):
0 likesI guess itâs another dOwNwArD sPiRaL!?!
1 likeYou dont understand nihilism
1 likeOk, but when the Gorillaz music kicked in I just had a fan moment and then realized that part of the video was about fandoms. Oops.
0 likesNice track list. Subscribed
0 likesanyone else come here cus they thought it had something to do with good kid m.A.A.d city by Kendrick Lamar
0 likesThe show is okay
0 likeswhat went wrong people thought they were cool for hating a loved and criticaly aclaimed thing
0 likesYou know starwars stole a ton from another series
0 likesSeason 3 was good
0 likesThank you for reminding me of ESPIRIT - SUMMER NIGHT
0 likesI mean The bit about not being a scientific reason to care about family is not really correct. Humans get more done as a social species, being accepted by society lets you make children more easily.
0 likeseven on a strategic level, ricks family helps him in some situations.
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Also, why are the Simpsons GREEENNN????????????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
0 likesNice touch with that classic Gran Turismo menu music
0 likesThis was my childhood tv when i was 11 kids nowndays just dont know wassgood
0 likesgreat, the show
0 likes25:50 "Nothing personnel kid"
0 likesREALLY?
26:20 "Any anime ever" makes me cry in weeb
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I'm sure you have a girl-shaped pillow that's sufficiently absorbent
2 likesI didn't intend that to be mean, I just thought it was way too funny not to say. I like to think people can have a sense of humor about insightful BS about the thing they like
0 likes@Googie Gress In this economy? I don't think so.
1 like@C Jackson do you even know what economy is?
0 likesLove the Gran Turimo 3 campaign music!
1 likeHappy Landfill Noises
0 likesAHHHHHHHHHHHH
7:30 THANKS FOR THE GRAN TURISMO MUSIC
0 likesEdit: 13:25 also? Nice.
Wait, people don't like Rick and morty? xD
0 likesAqua teen is my shit
0 likesThe industrial revolution and its consequences...
3 likesI just like getting smacked and watching this show fr
0 likesI think you're being way too hard on the newer seasons. The show has become really unique in the sense that it can kind of be a show about anything because of the whole multiverse thing, so the writers have more freedom than probably anyone else in any show besides like black mirror. I've been watching it for a long time so I get why you like the first couple seasons but I don't see season 3 and especially season 4 as a decline for the show. Stuff like the vat if acid episode is some of my favorite content from the whole show
4 likesI am Kendrick Lamar's lawyer, we will be crashing your house tomorrow.
0 likesBrilliant video
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Yea I only understood it because of this show
0 likesanyone know the music at the start?
0 likes25:05
2 likesOmg sans just made me smile
Oh a furry
Those are cool too
Itâs not a mental disorder so get over it
The title made me think this is a Kendrick Lamar parody
0 likesagain emp you are crossing my youtube. you have geowizards music :D
0 likesDan Harmon is a very clever, very lazy writer. Also a drunk.
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Like you lol. I hardly see you on styx vids these days big boi
0 likesI watched seasons 1 through 3 and I still haven't watched the 4th. Season 3 really was not it for me and the fandom had nothing to do with it. I felt really uncomfortable with the pop culture references and just like you said the family dynamic was absolute ass. The peak of Rick and Morty for me was season 2 finale. Everything serialized that had happened up until that point was concluded in all the right ways; not to mention the fact that they used nine inch nails - hurt, that song was so perfect for it, definitely made me tear up.
13 likesI'll always remember R&M as season 1 and 2, I'll forget about season 3 cuz it sucked and I don't care to watch season 4. I'm happy I got a good series with a good ending in those first 2 seasons, the rest is just hype trains, marketing, pseudo-intellectualism, circle-jerking and self defeating.
A Seinfeld fan?
30 likesJerry Seinfeld. That's it, just Jerry Seinfeld.
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Nah, Some people like Kramer, Elaine or George the most. They're all great characters.
0 likesI don't think I've ever had such a visceral reaction to cringe in all my life when that sponsor spot came on.
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It's worse that Emp tried to wrap it up so hard in a layer of irony to soften the blow.
1 likeI already know where R&M took a turn into "garbage"
45 likesSeason 3.
The first episode was good and how they released it was pretty cool, but then the "Schezwan sauce" meme and "Pickle Rick" happened and it just went into a downward spiral from there.
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The thing is those are not really issues within the show itself. The show itself was never garbage. Some episodes are better then others but say all of season 3 is bad is simply not true.
13 likeswe need to make you the 2. highest comment
0 likeshowever somethig about the first season 3 felt very different right from the start, like they changed writers and the new ones missed the point of the show, season 3 overall was a huge drop in quality, i dotn know what happened, probably those new writers
0 likesSo, it went down hill because people made memes?
0 likes@lazymansload *normies made memes
2 likes1:03 unless of course you don't align with Tim Heidecker's political views. Then you get canceled no matter how great your ratings are.
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Hey give Brett Gelman some credit too
1 likeI love your videos EmpLemon, but it's common knowledge that science fiction has been absolutely demolishing the shit out of fantasy as a genre in terms of popularity for a very long time, now. Your comparison of the two genres as science fiction being the nerdy virgin compared to Fantasy's "chad" is a little out there.
5 likesHow many fantasies have achieved mainstream popularity over your life time? Game of Thrones, Harry Potter? How many science fictions? Star Wars, Star Trek, Warhammer 40k, Starship Troopers? The list goes on. In fact, we can even look at Futurama and Disenchantment as a sort of microcosm for the popularity of the two genres.
Except he also put out a video game
0 likes26:21 jojo is best fandom
0 likesAs a German, it's always amusing to see amaricans trying to say "Zeitgeist"
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The pronunciation is just 'zīt-gīst' right?
2 likes@Calvin_Coolage if I remember my german right the z has to be pronounced "tz", so "tzīt-gīst" I'm also not sure if the s is pronounced as an s or a z, could be "tzīt-gīzt"
2 likes@Max Roderick Well according to Google's TTS, it's pronounced the first way you wrote it's pronunciation. Very subtle difference between tz and z pronunciations, but it's there.
2 likes"Pickle Rick" is kinda fault of new writers. That Asian writer at Emmys bragged how she self inserted herself as Susan Sarandon character to teach Rick a lesson. Not that it matters because there are lot of enjoyable episodes in that season also like "The Ricklantis Mixup". Now season 4 is just not memorable. They did nothing for 9 episodes. And then stuffed everything(Phoenix Person and Tammy, Beth clone etc) in a single episode. I feel they should have at least separate those 2 stories in 2 episodes.
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You don't think the vat of acid or the toy train episode was memorable?
0 likes@Feathers For Orphans In the grand order of things no. I dont think any episode(aside of maybe dragon one and the one Rick literally beats God) is bad. They are just not that memorable. Crystal one was cool and is MEMErable(see what I did there) and Snakes one has that old episodes vibes, but dont really think any of them would be remembered. Dunno if its about less viewers or just quality, but you just dont see anybody singing praises to new season. And that tells a lot.
0 likesLol season 4 is hella memorable for me. The poop episode , the snake episode , glory to glorzo episode, I mean what else do you want ? Do you want more seasons ? Do you want 3? Rick and morty for ever
0 likes@John Snow I'll remember the first one(cause it was first), the snake one (cause I hated it so much), toy train (first good episode that season), vat of acid (last good episode) and the last one(cause it was last).
0 likesHave I gone colour blind or are Simpson characters appearing green?
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Itâs a color filter to fool the copyright bots. :)
1 like"To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand the downward spiral.
15 likesIf you think about it
12 likesReligions might be the first interpritations of the out of control fandoms
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That's actually such a good comparison
1 likeI mean, if you think about it, it's actually very similar. All fandoms have some sort of bias within the community, similar to a religion. They also tend to have their bad apples, no matter what religion/fandom it is.
1 like"Nuanced commentary about the nature of human progress". shows picture of the unabomber
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What's your point?
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15 likes@VLPR Probably something to do with how the unabomber really disliked human advancement and tech
6 likes@SKIAnway His criticism of the modern industrial world still was quite nuanced. I know that he looks like a hobo and blew up a building, but despite all of that he actually did give some nuanced commentary about the modernity. Even if he was kinda insane.
17 likes@VLPR I think him blowing up a building kinda takes away some of the nuance of his argument
3 likesNick Toons
4 likesNot really.... nuance can be accompanied with âbombasticâ action but that action doesnât detract from the nuance of the ideology that inspired said action
@Targitaus Rithux
2 likesTrue. That all fits quite well the theme of Rick. Rick is very similar to unabomber. Intelligent, but extremely flawed human being.
My angels on angel dust
0 likesAs a fan of many anime, Rick and Morty, and Steven Universe, I feel like I have enough clout to say this about fandoms...
9 likesDonât. Just donât. Be a person who enjoys X, not an X person.
9:48 did not expect that music.
6 likesif you know where itâs from, youâre cool
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2 likesSpongeBob Squarepants is the only wholesome fandom...err...Aside from the ever fu cking cringey scenes in Spongebob with Spongebob turning into Squidward's psychotic stalker and the terrible episode SquidBob Tentaclepants thus creating the ever equally fu cking creepy SquidBob yaoi fans...
4 likesI think we can safely equate that Spongebob episode to the cringe of what became of Pickle Rick.
I dont give a fuck how I come off for liking a cartoon. I cant understand how that could be a factor for anyone.
0 likesIt really do be like dat tho
0 likesIt first aired on my 13th birthday
0 likesHow cool would a "Never Ever" on adult swim be o.o
3 likesI see, he used the rebel taxi transition music
8 likesThe thing is, the show went to shit with season three and "lore"
1 like"basically just rick and morty with extra steps"
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Disney's Rick and Morty
1 likeThis now has 777k views. Epic
0 likesRick and Morty stopped being good since season 3 and when the normies attached to it.
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I feel like the show has been coming back in quality recently, just at the right time because the normies are leaving.
1 likeAs soon as Gran Turismo 3 - Light Velocity started playing I got weird Deja Vu. The song is so good it's my ringtone.
4 likesYâall about million dollar extreme presents: world peace
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Best show to grace our green earth
12 likesMDE NEVER DIES
3 likesearly and often
1 likeThe only good thing a trend has brought to the world was the summer Pokemon Go was a thing.
0 likesEmplemon is without a doubt the greatest narrator in YouTube documentary history.
4 likesWell done Emplemon! Your videos are awesome and written to perfection. Keep up the good work!
0:50 dude I had such a flashback moment here. That was the old Adult Swim when it originally aired. "All kids out of the water!" I remember that!
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A simpler time
0 likes"Why there will never ever be another show like Bojack Horseman"
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Yes. Bojack is one of the best written shows to ever air.
20 likesEven less of a chance when they make normie comedies like tuca and berta.
5 likes@Tomas Tur Wasn't written by the same writers. It instead was written by the animator.
6 likesBojack is excellent, season 6 and the ending was meh but is one of the best adult animation shows since the simpsons/south park, along with rick and morty season 1 and 2
1 likeSchrafrillas is already doing that
0 likesStill I donât get the reference, like I know of Kendrick Lamarâs M.a.a.d city but I donât get the reference 100%, looked to the comments for an answer and still havenât found one
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I mean... maybe he just liked the album? It's a really good album
0 likesAlso Kendrick said the acronym stands for My Angry Adolescence Divided
0 likesSo it's pretty apt
And now that I've watched it.... he explains it
0 likesIt's nice to see some thoughtful critique of the show that's not coming from a pretentious hipster, misogynist or just some one who hates it for the sake of being against something popular.
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yeah... i still havent seen anybody talk about how the show basically keeps hinting at rick being christian lol...
0 likesfirst the dragon episode and then the storytrain episode.
also i just got to the part where he critiques pickle rick and before that he called season two ending the turning point... this dude an very pretentious and possibly a hipster, but i still enjoyed your comment lol.
0 likes@Ivan Ahumada ok... I don't know what you'd get the pretentious hipster critique from.
1 like@Arni Geir becuase he goes thru the whole video assuming everyone feels the same and sort of implies he knows whats going on when really he seems to miss large points of the show.
0 likesand as for the hipster part he literally says season one and two where the good ones and that pickle rick (an episode everyone liked) wasnt his cup of tea which is essentially what a hipster would say if you asked them about the show.
i mean i get it he doesnt have to like every episode but alot of this video kinda felt like watching a guy build a house outta straws... kinda entertaining but the end i kinda felt bad for the guy.
still it was nice of you to show support.
@Ivan Ahumada He mostly goes over the reasons the fan base is split and some of the controversial choices the writers make. you can like/dislike any episodes, but it's hard to ignore the split that happened. Disliking newer content isn't inherently hipster, like the last seasons of Game of Thrones, but doing so without one is.
1 likeif you have a larger point I'd like to hear it.
@Arni Geir i guess id rather hear why something good instead of why it sucks.. to me i didnt even notice the split. also im saying its a cliche is all to not like anything but the early stuff. you dont have to whip the game of thrones card out and trigger my ptsd of the last season.
0 likesoverall it just felt like cherrypicking his reasons which does feel pompous in away. but his style was really enjoyable to watch....
it was like hearing a really good album about why someones parents divorced told through eyes of one of their kids..
but yea if i think of any good points to add i'll let you know
âAn entirely new series thatâs basically just Rick and Morty with extra steps.â
5 likesAyyyyyy
As much as I like a lot of this show, I will never forgive the fact that adult swim cancelled Metalocalypse for it
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Holy shit what, really?
5 likesI did not know that
2 likesSame
0 likesActually have ads playing here, thats crazy
0 likesDon't mind me, I'm just here looking for those Xavier Renegade Angel comments.
0 likesTheirs a certain joy in blissful ignorance
0 likesI'm not a Rick and Morty fan, but Pickle Rick was really funny.
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Why
4 likes@Elijah Gillean Rodriguez You don't know what to except when you first see it, the buildup, and the delivery of "I'M PICKLE RIIICK!"
1 like14:57 made me think i was on RebelTaxi with that transition
3 likesUgh. I wish I could take my watch back
0 likesPIckle Rick's therapist was the funniest shit ever. She literally broke down his entire problem as a human being just for him and the family to conclude with a 'fuck you, we prefer our dysfuntional lifestyle' if anything reinforcing the dynamic of their family traits
3 likesWhat's the background music at 9:48?
1 likePlease.
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bump?
0 likesI'm really sorry to say this, but you sound like gear man and I can't unsee it.
0 likesVenture bros.
1 likeThe show was always annoying to me, the fans only amplified it.
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