I actually like the therapist scene, too many fans think of themselves as a "Rick", and the therapist kind of highlighted how that's not a good thing. It was a well written scene, really the only issue I had with it is how most "Ricks" probably didn't listen, and were too busy losing their minds over Pickle Rick. So I think it's more of an issue with the episode and placement than the scene itself.

@Lurk Snitchtongue While the Rick and Morty memes are fine, I think the fandom took it way too seriously for that one. Memes are just Internet jokes for fun, not acting like it's a trophy for being a comedian at some sort.

But is a shitty way of saying it, the pickle rick episode is full of bombastic and violent scenes and the ending is... that

@nerdtronis141 I would say the whole season was great, the mysticism if anything is the serialized story going on between seasons and they show very little because I don’t think Rick and morty is trying to be deep as much as it’s trying to be entertaining and explore ideas we don’t expect, making it a hit or miss show but the new season was great IMO

@Mr. Friendship This reminds me of the "you have to be very high IQ to like Richard and Mortimer" meme

@Lurk Snitchtongue That's why characters need some flaws. However, Mary Sues are perfect but the biggest irony is that the "perfection" is part of a flaw as well. Take a look at One Punch Man, for example. He's a superhero who is extremely overpowered and being OP is one of his flaws.

Imagine that you have a life as a Mary Sue. You got your strengths, you got a lot of people who adored you, and you get everything you want. The problem is that your "perfection" is nothing more than just an obstacle course that easily prevent you from living in a normal life as a human being. Perfection is just an illusion where being "neat" can make you inhumane. That's why flaws are important to everyone. We all made mistakes, and once you made mistakes can depend whatever the fate you come across -- fixing it or facing the karma of your actions.

It's a little too on the nose, but I see it's worth.

It's a little too on the nose, but I see it's worth.

@blake Tyler Durden was the John (of JDatE) of the mid 1990s. In other words why wouldn't you idolize him?

Same. It was satisfying because it’s exactly what I had wanted to yell at the narcissists blindly idolizing Rick like they do Tyler durden or bojack horseman

Rick has narcissistic tendencies and therefore attracts fans with narcissistic tendencies in themselves who relate to him and are drawn to his perceived indifference, as that is something they tend to strive for and lack resulting from their obsession with image above all else, along with his elevated intelligence that allows him to be so entitled, resonating with either how they view themselves or wish to view themselves as a means of justification for those self-serving behaviors, and ultimately because one of the main traits of narcissism is the inability to accept personal criticism on any level they are only capable of deflecting her criticism.

Frankly I’ve recently been developing a theory that narcissism is becoming more and more common in society which is why I’m so genuinely grateful that the progression of awareness in things like mental illness advocacy, therapy, and care for mental health has allowed for them to become much less stigmatized and more commonly propagated because otherwise narcissists and people with narcissistic tendencies are significantly less likely to get the help they need and thus further adding to the problem by passing on these traits to future generations.

Why do I take the time to write things like this, though, is what is truly most baffling.

Agreed. The scene did speak to the audience, but I feel that chalking the Therapy Scene in Pickle Rick scene up to that, and that alone, overlooks an important point.

The therapist accurately nailed and spelled out Rick's issues not just to his face, but to Beth's and the kids'. And Beth and Rick immediately blew it off, which tells us a lot about... well, okay, it doesn't tell us anything about Rick that we didn't know already, but it speaks volumes to Beth's willingness to overlook her father's issues to the detriment of her family, even when she gets slapped across the face with them, even as she claims she wants to fix them. Therapy was HER idea!

Beth wants things to get better, but she doesn't want to acknowledge why they're bad. She wants someone to give her an answer that doesn't involve admitting her father is toxic and horrible. She doesn't want to listen. But the kids? The kids listened, and wanted to go back... and were ignored.

Agreed. The scene did speak to the audience, but I feel that chalking the Therapy Scene in Pickle Rick scene up to that, and that alone, overlooks an important point.

The therapist accurately nailed and spelled out Rick's issues not just to _his_ face, but to _Beth's and the kids'._ And Beth and Rick _immediately_ blew it off, which tells us a lot about... well, okay, it doesn't tell us anything about Rick that we didn't know already, but it speaks volumes to Beth's willingness to overlook her father's issues to the detriment of her family, even when she gets slapped across the face with them, _even as she claims she wants to fix them._ Therapy was HER idea!

Beth wants things to get better, but she doesn't want to acknowledge why they're bad. She wants someone to give her an answer that doesn't involve admitting her father is toxic and horrible. She doesn't want to listen. But the kids? The kids listened, and wanted to go back... and were ignored.

@Lurk Snitchtongue Uhhhhhhhh, I think you're aggrandizing this entire conversation to be some kind of debate to win or lose, so if it makes you feel any better, you win? I really thought we agreed to disagree like a week ago

@Rude My Dude >writing is subjective<br>lmao. No its not. Whether you like a work is subjective, but there are objective qualifiers of good writing. The only people who say writing is subjective is people trying to defend trash writing that they have run out of arguments for (you). You started with saying its a well written scene, but how can that be true if all writing is subjective? Couldn't you only say its a scene that's written in an enjoyable way to you? Of course that's idiotic, there are such things as well written or poorly written scenes, you're simply back peddling because you can't respond to someone who actually understands what goes into good writing.

@Rude My Dude >writing is subjective
lmao. No its not. Whether you like a work is subjective, but there are objective qualifiers of good writing. The only people who say writing is subjective is people trying to defend trash writing that they have run out of arguments for (you). You started with saying its a well written scene, but how can that be true if all writing is subjective? Couldn't you only say its a scene that's written in an enjoyable way to you? Of course that's idiotic, there are such things as well written or poorly written scenes, you're simply back peddling because you can't respond to someone who actually understands what goes into good writing.

@Lurk Snitchtongue bro making autism jokes is a common sign of being unfunny

@Rude My Dude You know one of the most common signs of autism is taking a joke way too seriously

@Lurk Snitchtongue Writing is subjective, it's an art, all I said in my original statement is that I liked it. I'm really sorry you feel so strongly about it, at least enough to come back to it a week later. I encourage you to disagree.

@Lurk Snitchtongue LIKE AN ABUSIVE LOVER? yeah you got me dude, this scene gaslit me and now everything in my life revolves around this 3 minute scene that i enjoyed when I watched it once because without it i'm craaaazy

@Rude My Dude You're defending this scene like its an abusive lover. People don't need to analyse a scene for it to feel off, bad writing is pretty widely recognized even if you can't explain why its bad. For example: the scene in question. Analysis of writing is simply explaining why a scene doesn't work, but recognizing it as not working is something most people can do inherently. Kind of like how you can recognize a smoking engine is bad even if you can't explain what exactly is wrong with your car.

@Lurk Snitchtongue look man, i'm just enjoying the scene in a lowbrow casual kind of way, i'm not trying to do an analysis of the writing

@Rude My Dude A: a good writer doesn't moralize his characters so heavy handedly. As Chekhov once said, you only write the truth, to look at it subjectively is up to the reader.<br>B: Building your writing around the lowest common denominator is how you make shit.

@Rude My Dude A: a good writer doesn't moralize his characters so heavy handedly. As Chekhov once said, you only write the truth, to look at it subjectively is up to the reader.
B: Building your writing around the lowest common denominator is how you make shit.

@Felipe Jaquez Oh trust me, some people do need to be told that

@Felipe Jaquez Oh trust me, some people do need to be told that

@Lurk Snitchtongue I'm not saying that you don't have a reason to think she's a Mary Sue, I just disagree. I don't know man, I  thought it was a good contrast to Rick's lack of emotional intelligence. Also that scenario sounds waaaay more like later Rick than early Rick, he was always an asshole, but he had heart (well, for the most part)! Now he's one step away from "Jerkass Homer" but with a brain and a bodycount

@Rude My Dude The crux of being a therapist is not being emotional and doing your best to help patients my boy, even if they insult you, especially if they insult you. Insults are usually a self defense mechanism, and the dumbest thing a therapist could do is fire back with condescension. Their job is to break through shells, not make them even thicker. That's why it comes off as a self insert of the writer who just wanted to own Rick.

Its also super out of character for Rick to respond the way he did - which is another reason it comes off as so cringy. as EZPZ put it "in a past season he would have broken down her belief in herself and her career, then sold her into slavery to aliens not out of malice, but so he could play video games at a galactic arcade." And that's someone who doesn't even like the show saying that. That outcome would have been infinitely more in the tone with the show, actually funny, and not feel like a blatant self insert mary sue.

People don't just think a character is a mary sue for no reason; the biggest red flag that a character is a mary sue is when they have an intellectual gravitational field. That is to say if being around a character saps another character of their intelligence or competence, the first character is probably a Mary sue.

Electric Boogie I get what you’re saying, from an outside perspective, it does seem like a “gotcha”, but in context of the scene, Rick insulted the therapist and the idea of her career, and what she said boils down to “from what your family has told me, you’re just as imperfect as the rest of us” She didn’t attempt to alienate him, she was just being realistic, and going off of what she was told

@Rude My Dude therapists aren't nearly that heavy handed, they don't have "gotcha!" moments because it'll only make a patient clam up and dislike them.

@Lurk Snitchtongue And most importantly, she seems like a realistic human being, and definitely a realistic therapist.

@Lurk Snitchtongue i was actually confusing mary sue with jane doe, my bad, but either way, she was a therapist doing her job for a few minutes, why would they need to show her flaws, to prevent "mary sueism"? what would be the point? And what would the viewers gain out of it when the scene is supposed to be about Rick going to therapy?

Yeah, imo the fandom was getting out of hand. To many people think rick is a role model, the therapist scene was needed to make people stop using the show to justify being assholes. The irony is people that think rick is great tend to hate the therapists

@Rude My Dude Do you think there's a dichotomy between fleshed out and mary sue?

@Shadow111111 I don't see why a character on screen for a few minutes in the entire series would need to be anything else though. Not every minor character needs to be fleshed out!

shes a mary sue. Nothing good about that scene

shes a mary sue. Nothing good about that scene

Electric Boogie bro whos mouth I’m scared

Electric Boogie bro whos mouth I’m scared

@LTB <br>Does that actually matter though? Does the character in anyway not suit the created universe?

@LTB
Does that actually matter though? Does the character in anyway not suit the created universe?

@LTB Yeah, that part of it is a little goofy, but i've seen muuuuch worse writer inserts! Like that one dude who put his self insert into the powerpuff girls reboot to date blossom.

I would agree, if the therapist character wasn't the self-insert of one of the writers. :/

I agree. Stripping the "mysticism" of the show was brilliant. Rick isn't amazing, hes just a guy, and a pretty broken one at that. But when the fandom ignored that bit and hyperfocused on a lame joke, I think the creators realized how much their vision of the show had diverged with the audience's. So much so that I believe they didn't know what to do after that. Of course, Pickle Rick might have been the vision all along and our interpretation of the show is the one not in sync with the author's.


Now I can’t watch the show, because I finally understand why I can’t enjoy it anymore. And I’m ok with that


27:30 fast forward to now and Rick and Morty is STILL a super marketing machine ads they make with company’s get put in videos with millions of views and interest in the show as at an all time high


Season 5 is basically Family Guy.  Crazy, "zany and random" stuff happens and then everything's back to normal at the end of the episode with no impact on the characters.  The latest episode featuring Bird Person was a nice change though and there was actually some backstory and development.


@Mercury yeah i felt the same way s4 felt dead


Now talk about Xavier Renegade Angel, the show with weapons grade philosophical insight.

I remember when that shit came out, ahhhhhh yes, the era of much drug experimentation combined with GOOD shows on adult awim

@nochtczar <br>Ironic that the show ended up getting a bad rep not because of the show it's self but because of Rick and Morty fans

@nochtczar
Ironic that the show ended up getting a bad rep not because of the show it's self but because of Rick and Morty fans

@Xane Divine Dragon It's basically a show that says "No matter what you believe in, just don't go into the deep end of it"

@FreeToPlay Scout the shivering truth is made by the same people who made XRA I think

Season 1 was great. Season 2, not so much, especially when Xavier stopped sounding like a wise shaman spouting off insane nonsense and more like someone deliberately trying to be wacky and random.

@PatrickTheGod Drug trip with PS2 graphics that feels insightful and completely meaningless at the same time.  It's very similar to The Shivering Truth, which is a more modern Adult Swim fever dream about nothing.  XRA's incoherent ramblings have amazing untapped meme potential: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJ__1lmPJWY

man, what was up with that show? it was like a YTP with extra steps

It's a show that is simultaneously complete random drivel and strangely meaningful.

nochtczar less edgy, more just nonsensical and less appealing to basically anyone but the show’s creators. Too bad the show is actually really good and super fucking funny lol

@Xane Divine Dragon in a way, but mostly it's an experiment to see how edgy you can get before getting cancelled

i think its a real shame that that show is now just known for being where Rick and Morty detractors went once the fandom went bad

Isnt that show making fun of spirituality and philosophy


It's really sad what Rick and Morty has turned into. When I first heard about it, I brushed it off as another Family Guy rip off but after seeing Rick try to off himself, I ended up binge watching the whole thing. Season 2 was definitely the best and probably the most heartfelt with a lot of fun episodes and now it seems like the show has become essentially a Family Guy in space. I agree with all you said about season 3, besides like 3 episodes, it really wasn't anything to write home about. Fortunately, they did retcon the fabricated backstory stuff which I never cared for anyway especially with how Rick reacted, I knew something had to be up with the whole Beth and Diane situation even if what happened may not have been true. Season 3 was essentially a very mediocre season with a couple episodes that were some of the lowest for the series. It didn't help that each season was worse than the previous. Season 5 was outright horrible. There was barely anything memorable besides jokes here and there and finally revealing some lore. That's all, like I can't recommend that season at all. The good parts (which aren't a whole lot of) are all on youtube.

Characters don't grow, consequences don't last or matter, and every character seems to be a Rick in some way, which ruins the original dynamic of especially Rick and Morty themselves. I was fine with Morty as the anxious, normal, innocent kid but now he just seems like a mostly sociopathic angsty teen rebel whose motivations are now selfish and even sometimes evil instead of altruistic. While they brought his altruism back for the penultimate season 5 episode, it was pretty much for only one scene, the rest of the episode just involves him selfishly trying to make friends with a crazy person.

I also miss the more heartwarming moments of the show. I'm not going to say that there aren't any but they seem to be getting less and less as Rick becomes more distant from his family and his family becomes more hostile to him. While I do have a lot of problems with the fake breakup scene in and of itself, that scene could've been a great opportunity to show a genuine moment of affection from Rick but we didn't even get that. He just gave Morty his portal gun (MORTY, a GUY WHO FUCKS SHIT UP IN ALMOST EVERY ADVENTURE) and then bounced. Like no hugs or kisses. It really shows how unaffectionate Rick seems to be these past few seasons. In seasons 1 and 2, Rick was abusive but had a few moments of genuine bonding with his family and now Rick just seems to be distant and doesn't have that many heartwarming moments with his family anymore.

It's sad because even though I have never been the biggest fan of Rick and Morty, I had a lot of hope for the show. It was refreshing for its time and it had a lot of potential to grow and capitalize on its uniqueness and depth but instead, it just beats itself over and over again partly because of its dumb fanbase and because of how Adult Swim has been treating it (70 episodes?! come the fuck on!). Season 5 has made me so enraged to the point where I don't think I'd even really call myself a fan anymore. I lost respect for the show since season 4 but season 5 made me the most angry.

I'm not going to abandon all hope and I'm still going to continue watching the show if there's an episode I'm interested in but they seriously got to fix this show. Bring the original writers back and hopefully get Justin back assuming he's not too busy with Solar Opposites because at this point, I fear Rick and Morty is going to keep digging a deeper ditch until it becomes a complete shell of its former self, a show that nobody will care about in the future.


if you let someone tell you how you should feel about a show, and you believe them, you never liked it in the first place. its that simple.


"can a fandom become so insufferable that it damages a show beyond repair" .... just ask the psycho fans over at Star Wars who try to get current actors to kill themselves because they don't agree with the writing of a character.

I don't really think the writers of the sequels were taking into account what most Star Wars fans wanted when they were writing their stories. That is an example of toxic fans, but I don't think it impacted the writing of the show much like he was talking about.

They messed that up on their own because the different teams for the movies had terrible communication between themselves. So the movies ended up being sloppily made because each movie was trying to go in a different direction.

Too many chefs will spoil the broth and all that.


I think the season finale of s5 gives me hope. He’s no longer the smartest man in the multiverse… I really hope they make him vulnerable in a potential season 6

And I desperately want more family drama


I like villains more because no matter what they're doing, they tend to have a reason for it, no matter how obtuse it may be. A hero only exists to stop the bad guy, and really their only considered good BECAUSE they try to stop bad shit from happening. If it wasn't for the villain, they'd probably just be a regular dude.


people just want to give everything a meaning in a show even when there is none.


Rick and Morty is literally my favourite show.


i miss when rick and morty was just a goofy adult swim show id watch with my buddies in high school. now its this big nihilist IQ check or something.


You know when i started watching I didn't expect Rick to be compared to Gex.

This is like a luau at Frank Pastony's house

Remind me to never drink tap water at Jerry Garcia's house.

Emp is a fan of videogamedunkey so it makes sense


I think the therapist was there bc otherwise none of them, especially Rick is going to have a conversation and acknowledge his flaws on his own. Plus the writers could have also been saying with that episode, this is who Rick is, stop your theories lol even though everything the therapist says can definitely be gathered by everything we have seen and heard about Rick before the episode.


This is possibly a VERY underrated opinion in the Rick and Morty fandom..but I have no problem with Jerry. I don't like him, I don't HATE him...he's just there. I'm neutral when it comes to him tbh.


They should have made pickle Rick similar as fly episode in Breaking Bad.<br>One out of the place episode to break tension and then have show go on same phase as before

They should have made pickle Rick similar as fly episode in Breaking Bad.
One out of the place episode to break tension and then have show go on same phase as before


I still watch the show. But it's formulaic in a bad way. I agree with the entire video.

I don't think the show has any point to it. But, it's something I guess.


This video needs a remake now they’re pulling out all the stops!


I see Rick and Morty as the cartoon that showed the mainstream midia, and even fandom users, how flawed fandons are<br>At the end of the day, fandoms in general were never meant to be consumed in big masses, and along with social midia, made us more anti-social than ever

I see Rick and Morty as the cartoon that showed the mainstream midia, and even fandom users, how flawed fandons are
At the end of the day, fandoms in general were never meant to be consumed in big masses, and along with social midia, made us more anti-social than ever


There’s a reason the Ricklantis Mixup/Tales from the Citadel is the best rated episode of the show, because when they focus on the world, the relationships, the actual dark, nihilistic yet comedic world, instead of just one dark nihilistic man, it’s a much better show

Nahuel Ahpa I personally think it is and it’s the best rated and the lack of out and out jokes is a real reason. The show is hugely influenced by nihilism and ‘the absurd’ but it takes a very elitist view of these things threw Rick. Our Rick has the privilege of being able to laugh at the absurdity of it all, how nothing really means anything, like Albert Camus wrote about, but Tales of the Citadel shows us that isn’t the reality. Not to get too bleak or philosophical but, yes laughing at the absurdity of everything might be great, but I still need to pay rent, and in that episode we see Ricks and Morty’s who know the world is meaningless, they’re no dumber than Rick C137, but they have lives they have to live.

Anime Reviews With Trip it’s a matter of taste and there are some episodes that fall completely flat for me. Don’t really laugh at loud at any shows so the clever jokes do entertain me, but it gets a bit repetitive after a while

Wyllowisp Morty as a character is so perfectly built to be our surrogate in this world, as naive as the audience and so the show is not jarring when Morty has things explained to him. When they only focus on Rick, and he’s the smartest man ever, they can’t go into world building or explaining, because Rick already knows it all so there’s nothing that needs to be explained to him, and when he explains things it never feels weighty because he explains it as if he’s seen it a million times, and he’s seen a million better things

@Wyllowisp I think episodes like interdimention cable from season 1 and even the snakes episode in season 4 show the problem was never wakey adventures or specific story plots, just make something interesting, I hated the sedital until ricklantis mixup and the snakes episode is probaby my favourite from season 4 because it plays the obsurdity of a planet of just snakes completely straight<br>the other episodes from Season 3 just bother me because I never came to the show to see a therapist tell Rick why he's unhappy but fail to do anything about it or Beth being fucked up kid because Rick was never around, i think the show is great why it just be's itself and doesn't care about making more people like it, Season 3's best episode to me is why Rick and Jerry just hangout, yeah Rick tells Jerry off but by the end of it they both respect eachother until later episodes make them get on eachothers nerves like what the hell happened, I guess nothing really does matter

@Wyllowisp I think episodes like interdimention cable from season 1 and even the snakes episode in season 4 show the problem was never wakey adventures or specific story plots, just make something interesting, I hated the sedital until ricklantis mixup and the snakes episode is probaby my favourite from season 4 because it plays the obsurdity of a planet of just snakes completely straight
the other episodes from Season 3 just bother me because I never came to the show to see a therapist tell Rick why he's unhappy but fail to do anything about it or Beth being fucked up kid because Rick was never around, i think the show is great why it just be's itself and doesn't care about making more people like it, Season 3's best episode to me is why Rick and Jerry just hangout, yeah Rick tells Jerry off but by the end of it they both respect eachother until later episodes make them get on eachothers nerves like what the hell happened, I guess nothing really does matter

@Anime Reviews With Trip Are you just going to keep commenting this everywhere?

that might actually be the best episode of the show, is barely funny, but it has good quality, season 3 was mostly mediocre with some decent moments (episodes 1, 7 and 8 were decent enough, the other not so much) but the show has already fallen

Anime Reviews With Trip so...all comedy?

EmpLemon's wrong on this one. Rick and Morty is pretty bad. Its 'comedy' is terribly pretentious with Dan Harmon and Justin Roiland self inserting their weird fetishes.

Wow it’s almost like “episodic” doesn’t have to mean senseless shock cynical noise for 22 minutes lol

Yeah, as much as I like the wacky fun episodes, I'm way more interested in the worldbuilding in Rick and Morty, that shit is really fun and creative, seeing a world shaped with different versions of 2 people and the relationship of these two individuals being the central piece of how that place is built. Basically, wacky stuff with actual consequences.


So… I disagree that there is a “show don’t tell issue” about how to feel. I think you are interpreting it the wrong way— to anyone these things were obvious, the therapist is a device to advance the show past the 4th wall where we accept the emotional weakness and vulnerability of the Rick character. Beth’s reliance on her relationship with her family and kids is the REAL narrative of that episode. I personally have enjoyed the journey to Rick’s playing field, because it means the fall is coming and I look forward to this. The plot devising is so much of what makes R&M flow so well— the nihilism is the aimlessness. The getting back is the aimlessness, that is the POINT!!!


kind of happy i never got into rick and morty, just so that i never had to deal with all those jackasses


The fandom is one of the most toxic communities out there. I wouldn't recommend it to anyone


To be fair, you need to have high body fat percentage to understand Brick and Mortar.


I agree with a lot of this, but I did feel a sliver of hope with the most recent season's finale. It brought back a lot of the older family dynamics that I loved from earlier seasons, and despite Rick's crazy combat abilities he still gets the shit beat out of him with ease. Rick is shown up multiple times both intellectually and physically by his own daughter, and damn is it satisfying. Maybe I'm being too optimistic, but I'm hoping they're capture that same energy for the next season and bring back some of the show's old charm.

EarlNacht <br>The Simpsons peaked with seasons 6 and 7 so you never know

EarlNacht
The Simpsons peaked with seasons 6 and 7 so you never know

Season 4 was the only season I enjoyed so far.

I actually feel like Rick wasn't handled that well in season 4. You bring up how he has "crazy combat abilities", but the writers' solution to it was to have him basically not use any of them. In one scene, he literally has a device that completely shields him from an actual smite from a greek god, flies directly to him, and then stops using any and all technology to have a fist fight with him and lose when the point of Rick is that he can and has probably already created an appropriate gadget to get him out of any threatening situation.

no, the writing is worse and nothing is gonna change that

I dont know, the last episode felt weird.

@A L yeah I like that space Beth is her own person and is a far cry better then she's been all series by having a life outside the family which she really needed, I feel toning down Rick was fine but the whole family shitting on him feels more like everybody not realizing chastising Rick for being unpleasant isn't gonna make him go "hey everyone your right I really should change my ways and be better" it's gonna make him isolate from the family more and I don't think they care

I think the last season was more all over the place in quality then the other season. It had some of the best episodes in the series and also some of the worst. Does not mean the show is actually bad now.


Though season 5 ended up being their weakest but I am hoping they take the cliff hangar they left us on seriously and introduce an element limitation to Rick in the season 6


In my opinion, this past season has been all about who Rick and Morty are when separated from each other. Think about it. There has been one, maybe two, if you count the turkey episode, (But that was more about Rick and Fauxbama’s dynamic), where it’s actually beeen the standard Rick and Morty adventure. And while I certainly miss the dynamic, as I enjoyed how they played off of each other, especially in the later seasons, it’s a refreshing change and an interesting exploration of both their characters and what happens when a specific aspect of them gets out of control:
Episode 1: Morty’s crush on Jessica
Episode 2: Rick’s plans for every eventuality
Episode 3: Morty’s need for love and companionship and Rick’s ultimate succumb to said need.
Episode 4: As much as we all hate this episode, Morty’s H O R N Y.
Episode 5: Rick’s berating of Jerry and both Summer and Morty’s needs to be popular (though that’s just standard teenage fare)
Episode 6: Rick’s overconfidence.
Episode 7: Rick’s over-ambition
Episode 8: Rick’s secret keeping and how he keeps important secrets from everyone unless he believes he needs to tell them.
Now, the finale seems to be a much more overt exploration of the initial pitch, literally being marketed with, “What’s Rick without Morty?” We could get some stuff from the citadel this season if the possible pattern from seasons 1 and 3 keeps up or this could be an exploration of another facets of the characters of the two. Either way, I’m looking forward to it, and hopefully it doesn’t suck.


Any time I think of the R&M Fandom I think of that guy jumping on the counter of that McDonald's screaming "I'm pickle Rick"


EmpLemon: I’m not nihilistic.
Also EmpLemon: Downward spiral downward spiral.

EmpLemon: I’m not nihilistic.
Also EmpLemon: *Downward spiral downward spiral.*

"you might as well aim for the bottom"
"you just might end up on top"
he spoke his own prophecy


Ngl I’ve enjoyed every season of Rick and morty. There are some hit or miss episodes but as a whole it’s still amazing


25:37
Don't forget the romanticisation of mob characters like:
Tony Soprano, Tony Montana, Vito Corleone, every mob character DeNiro or Joe Pesci ever played etc.


I can't lie this video kinda made me wanna grab a bunch of animators and make "Rick And Morty: Season 2 Extended" and the arc of Rick being in intergalactic prison


Yeah I guess the therapist scene in the pickle rick episode is decisive because that was one of my favorite parts of the show and really resonated with me. I found it poignant and a cool counter punch to rick's ego that had been steadily building but then watching him blow her off in the car ride back just felt right. like this is a show where people don't learn lessons and have introspection for brief moments so to me it all felt fitting and maybe i'm just a sucker for snappy writing but she has some great lines in there. I watch rick and morty expecting to have my blown with some new whacky premise and watch terrible people deal with insane chaotic situations and  have clever reparte along the way. I  think the family element is important is it's the glue that holds the characters together but  it  isn't  as essential  as you make it out. I think if it was  we'd miss more  characters of the family. but we could go 3 episodes with out beth jerry or summer  and not miss much.


I like how this video is basically the “you have to be an intellect to fully understand Rick and Morty” copypasta but not really in the “pseudo intellectual” way

@AngryReacts OnlyPlease
 @AngryReacts OnlyPlease
1) I've never watched Rick and Morty, and I never claimed to have a "high iq".
2) Your original comment appears to say that because there are different themes within Futurama and Rick and Morty that the two shows cannot be compared or related to each other. Emp's video showcases several reasons the shows can be compared. Therefore I assumed that you hadn't watched the video or missed the areas in which the shows are obviously comparable in your rush to make your point.
3) And calling me a "troglodyte" and "mongoloid" for making a single incorrect assumption shows you to be a shining pinnacle of human brilliance, doesn't it?

@toilet ball He doesn't even use the words properly either

@ChaosSwissroIl the video literally says that even though Futurama might be the first thing you compare it to, it has more in common with the Simpsons, though??

@AngryReacts OnlyPlease <br>So, you clearly either didn't watch the video or skimmed through it without absorbing what Emp was saying.

@AngryReacts OnlyPlease
So, you clearly either didn't watch the video or skimmed through it without absorbing what Emp was saying.

@ChaosSwissroIl they're both popular sci-fi cartoons

It basically is the same considering he tried to connect it to Futurama, despite there being zero connection beyond both being comedies, solely because he enjoyed both of them.

The copypasta is the definition of pseudointellectualism so taking that aspect out leaves you with nothing.


Can't have character development without repeating the same life lessons or the characters losing their characteristic flaws.

I'd say the deeper the character the longer the series goes on. But too much depth could feel artificial (unless...).

I wouldn't know how far a constant dupe would go - Having the character(s) seem to have learned from their mistakes, only to remake the same mistakes/avoidances. Just take The Simpsons for example. How did that show keep going?


to me every season has 2 or 3 mediocre episodes. I heaven't noticed any trend in quality and the first episode of season 5 was awesome.


Love when that Gran Turismo music bangs in to signal a new point about to be made, 10/10 good shit


May i also add that rick and morty was abit better at capturing an international audience whereas simpsons mainly captured north americans in the first few years of its existence. it helped ramp up the popularity online a great deal. There is just much more overall relatability in each episode.


Liking a series and then having the fandom give it a horrible reputation is something that I hate so much, it happens to me more than it should

Another perfect example is Twenty One Pilots..

Ugh same, before R&M the most toxic fandom I liked the show of was Steven Universe 😫

Sucks because a much more impressive and creative side of the fandom usually exists only to be derided because all the mega obsessed freaks with no creative input or contribution to the fandom destroyed it. So both the talented indivduals and the closet/casual fans are burned by extension

Yeah, kinda makes you feel bad for enjoying it


Love Rick & Morty (like a kid that’s been naughty!) ✌🏾💯❤🙏🏾🤣


I Think rick and Morty possesses the unique ability to make a season for the fans on purpose, to grow its cultural presence, then disobey it and return to its roots by directly calling it out in the show. Dan Harmon expressed the same when he returned to Community in season 4 or 5, referring to the year of season 3 as the ‘gas leak’ year (or was it season 4 i forget, but still.) Rick and morty is redeemable.


Something that gets missed when talking about the Rick and Morty fandom is that the clip of the guy at mcdonalds did that purposefully to copyright the video and sell it as a "Cringe meme."  he also had videos that showed him going to a library and renting out mein kampf, they too were copyrighted and sold.


Daaamn the dysfunctional family aspect is why i watch this show


Season 3 actually had 2 of my favorite episodes (rickshank redemption and ricklantis mixup).


The amount of episodes it’s getting compared to the time is pretty good in terms of anime time <b>stares at attack on Titan and all those amazing anime that end at 12 episodes and never start again</b>

The amount of episodes it’s getting compared to the time is pretty good in terms of anime time *stares at attack on Titan and all those amazing anime that end at 12 episodes and never start again*


This is the 2nd channel tonight thats surprised me with gran turismo music in the midst of the documentary lol its so cool to see such a variety of music... its fun recognizing all of your song choices! Great video!


I didnt knew people dont like the show? I thought it would still be hyped af. I love to see every episode and I'm thrilled for what happens next in the story

Yeah personally i think its a narrative put on by a small majority of people that hate the show for some reason


The therapist in Pickle Rick was actually a self-insert for one of the new writers on the show, who said something along the lines of “I wanted to put Rick in his place.”

Which is why Rick, so out of character, never responds to what the therapist says to him.

No matter what the show’s defenders say, this moment didn’t have any meaning behind it. It was just a power fantasy for a new writer on the team.

@C Good example.  He's a good writer.  Too bad Jessica Gao isn't anywhere near his level otherwise we could have avoided fanfiction levels of self-insert from her.

@Golden Hanz Slaughterhouse Five by Kurt Vonnegut

alfa01spotivo <br>the big difference is rohan kishibe is similar to hirohiko araki, but rohan isnt made to be araki

alfa01spotivo
the big difference is rohan kishibe is similar to hirohiko araki, but rohan isnt made to be araki

@Golden Hanz rohan kishibe from jojos part 4 was a pretty cool character

Didn't she and Harmon have a podcast where she said the role was supposed to go to an Asian because racism in Hollywood? And that the uninterrupted monologue was just to give a diversity hire the spotlight? But the role ended up going to an established white actress anyway?

Edit: Found it. First episode https://www.danharmonsucks.com/podcasts/whiting-wongs/
07:10 to skip the cringe

On the DVD commentary for pickle Rick, one of the woman writers explains the idea was to castrate Rick's male power privilege or something, and the pickle Rick is a metaphor for Rick's penis having it's own adventure

Must have link.

Commenting to see if someone does.

Source? I'm actually pretty curious about this.

Can anyone think of an example where a self-insert character hasn't turned out terribly?  Seriously, it should be taught in Writing 101: <i>NO SELF INSERTS.</i>

Can anyone think of an example where a self-insert character hasn't turned out terribly?  Seriously, it should be taught in Writing 101: _NO SELF INSERTS._


I am r&m superfan and this video is on point Mr Lemon


The show was good, the show is still good, the community was good, the community is no longer good.  Sadly after pickle Rick it was blown up and everyone just memed it.  They never returned to the original style.


Season 4 got better. I think they learned from the mistakes of season 3


Still a proud Rick and morty fan, even more proud that I’m not a crazy dipshit


Another example of people not really knowing why they like what they like. Artists shouldn't listen to fans, if fans knew about that sort of stuff they'd be artists themselves.

@Guy named Rick just wanna say: respect the super paper mario inclusion in the "good" category

Just be a little bit of both. Don't listen to the fans too much, but listen your mind too much either.

@BagelBrain Don't be upset because I hate something you love. Color splash is beautiful but it has nothing of what the first three games offered.

@Guy named Rick <b>hides my profile picture in shame</b>

@Guy named Rick *hides my profile picture in shame*

Tell that to everyone who back then were REE-ing over Gamergate or diversity stuff.

No. Thats not remotely true.

Listen to fans, but also listen to your own logic, and understand the thing you're making. If you don't understand, listen to fans and yourself and what you know, and combine it.

Just becaus they can't write a show themselves, doesnt mean they cant see what you cant see. But that applies in the reverse. You have the ability to see things they can't, and you can use thier ideas if you truly get the show you make. If you don't, then you're flawed in making the show, not flawed for listening.

The better phrase you may've meant was "Dont be influenced by fans to the point you go with their word over yours every time, that will only lead to entropy of the art." But i get your POV. I just vehemently disagree.

I liked rick and morty i did have a little meh moment. I still didnt even saw the last season

It's double edged. Sometimes you get producers/show runners working on an established IP, who don't understand what made it great in the first place. <br>i.e. new Star Trek.

It's double edged. Sometimes you get producers/show runners working on an established IP, who don't understand what made it great in the first place.
i.e. new Star Trek.

Unless they fuck up horribly like Sticker Star and Color Splash.


I enjoyed Rick and Morty until I saw the whole "Szechuan sauce" video and then I just felt second hand cringe towards it ever since.

I rewatched it recently and I'm kind of annoyed that I missed something I used to like due to the fans of it absolutely taking it too far.


Season 3 was uneven but it had some gems like Tales from the Citadel and overall there were more laughs than I feel there were in Seasons 4 and 5. With 5 done, looking back the season felt more off than 3 with a lot of it feeling forced. It felt like a fanfic version of the show and this probably because most of the crew were relatively new having only come in that season or the last one. The ideas were interesting but they weren't executed well or as I've saying describing the episodes make them sound funnier and wilder than actually watching them.


Vat of Acid IMO was one of the most compelling pieces of media I have ever seen.


what i like about rick and morty is the dark humor, the cool schi-fi and fantasy but allso the wierd feeling the theme gives, it feels just wierd but you still get it, and the dark humor mixed in makes it sound less stupid as when i watch a movie with drama i often remember the flash series wich was good in the beggining but after a while characters just turn stupid and making up pointless meanings in life that don't make any sens. and it felt the same when ever i watched a serius movie.


Adult Swim is the best worst thing to happen to my life.

Feebz I’m still waiting on beater vs cheater

@Andrew Burke hey yo man idk if you know this but Mumkey is still on YouTube! Search "Simian Jimmy", it's his new channel, it's been around for awhile and there's some pretty good content on there!

Adult Swim is The most truest definition of something that is both a blessing and a curse

@Ad3l It does but Adult Swim owned it anyways. If you look at their official YouTube channel, there's some scenes that appeared on the previous seasons besides S5. Just check them out.

@Mr. Friendship i did watch the whole series but the only adult swim show I saw was the 5th season of samurai jack

@Ad3l It's pretty weird considered that Adult Swim aired the whole series of Samurai Jack from Season 1 to 5 despite the fact that it's still a kid show back then.

I only started watching it because of Toonami dubs

Mumkeyjones was the best thing to happen to my life and yt took that away...

Same. It basically shaped my personality today and that's both a great and bad thing if you ask me.

I've only watched the 5th season of samurai Jack but it was good


I've been watching it since the beginning, and witnessing the trendy insane fandom rise and fall has been a ride. They leveled back Rick's power level in the new season and some fans are pissed. I blame the marketing and fandom that propelled this show up and out into the zeitgeist. It was smartly written out with story beats,  dialogue that wasn't cringe, yet it was utterly stupid and fun.  Somewhere down the line everyone forgot this and it was the smartest show on television when it was a well thought out show that just took time to make also Warner being greedy with the 8 month long negotiations going back and forth.


The geowizard music hit me like a ton of bricks. Great vid!

that's where its from, was trying to remember lol


At the beginning of the vid he says he doesn't like how they changed the formula.... then at the end he says maybe they should try changing the formula, and he respects their creative experimentation 🤦♀


Season 1: amazing
Season 2: amazing
Season 3: great
Season 4: fucking awful
Season 5: it’s alright


In my opinion, Pickle Rick's therapy segment was ingenious.
For the first time in the show, ironically Rick's omnipotence factor was taken away in a sense RATHER than perpetuated.
He was shown to have lesser intelligence than the therapist.
Emotional intelligence.

Rick was already shown to have less emotional intelligence than Doofus Rick

Show don't tell

She told instead of showed

Yeah, well that's how intelligence works, it's not just a metric where you have dumb people with low intelligence and smart people with lots of intelligence, intelligence is rather a mix of your understanding of multiple different things, someone can be a great mathematician while having no emotional intelligence, they might struggle with interpersonal intelligence and socializing but they have great intrapersonal understanding of themselves.

I mean becoming more confident in your intelligence is more about finding what you understand and what you don't understand, rather than trying to expand your comprehension of everything as a whole, because even then; your learning will be gravitated towards certain topics more than others. Intelligence is knowing when you know something, wisdom is knowing when you don't know something.

Sigma

Nah that was a self insert that at best was perpetuating a sense of “high IQ commentary” that makes people hate the show for its seemingly “more smarter than thou” attitude

Ironically enough the show explains this feeling quite well in one of the episodes where rick dismantles the heroes via a jigsaw esk series of traps

I think the line went like “even if you are right, if you are an asshole no one wants to agree with you” or something like that.... which makes sense, this self insert felt legitimately like a “hah look at me, I’m just a normal human person who totally isn’t a self insert with meta knowledge of the show itself which allows me to strike at the shows favorite character, Rick in a way that no other character can”

The whole “commentary” on rick’s character would have felt stronger if it came from one of the family.... I mean, they know him more than some random fucking therapist who had just met him.... literally ask anyone who has gone to a therapist, especially family therapists.... they all admit that it didn’t do much or if it did, the effects simply didn’t stick and as such the family reverted plus the whole field of psychology has been proven countless times to be one of The lowest sciences simply due to its lack of replicate-able tests.... in essence, psychology is borderline pseudoscience from the fact a lot of it simply can’t be verified with enough data.... I’m not saying all of psychology is like, just a lot of it tends to be so. An added note to make also is that half of the cast at this point lacks significance I’d argue.... they don’t have as much permanence (since you know, every time rick fucks up, he just goes to another universe and everything is back to normal)


They did remove most of his augmentations recently so that's nice. Doesn't help that he still has enough guns to kill cities, even his innocent little partner is killing too.


Man I love season 5 the whole family are going on adventures now


Looking back at the Halcyon days of R&M, it's never gonna be the same. I thought season 3 was good. Put simply it had the same energy of season 1-2, 4 and 5 feel like a different beast trying to emulate what was there before. Not a lot of good clever humor. That improv was the best. Not a lot of anything really. season 5 had like 3 good episodes? 4 about the same I guess. I don't know, everything these past few years, media, appstore releases, video games, movies, chans, they've all gone downhill almost inexplicably. What used to be an update is now DLC, and if TF2's MvM were released today it would be an entirely different game. You can't find shit on google or elsewhere, things seem to be coalescing and all becoming vapid feedback loops or all cashgrabs. I think if this passes 2019-2022 will be seen as a weird grey period between a media golden age and a bot-free wild west internet, and discerning people making their own way.


"Note to self: don't try the pickle platter at Rick Sanchez's" - Gex

"Dont drink the tap water at Jerry Garcia's"

Some guy who sometimes makes JoJo references


Rick is an unbalanced hedonist.<br>Morty is the nihilist. It's their combo power.

Rick is an unbalanced hedonist.
Morty is the nihilist. It's their combo power.


Heres a rule: nobody whos ever been to comicon should ever get to decide the future of a series, ever.
Your fanatical devotion over some piece of media is not only cringe, but somehow also incredibly basic.
Memorizing every line of Star Trek doesnt make you any smarter or a better critic of sci-fi than anyone else, and if anything, probably the opposite.

Or you can just let people enjoy what they want to enjoy. I agree fandoms shouldn’t prompt changes in a show, but people are allowed to be apart of them


29:49
''Some people use this to claim that women ruined the show''
Classic reddit moment


8 millions views in 2 days!! This video didn't age well at all lol


Jerry is arguably one of the best characters on the show. Writing him out of the family was just as detrimental to the show as Pickle Rick.

Jack Frost And Jerry is a prime example of going from a character you’re supposed to hate, to ending up being one of your more sympathetic characters.


I don't particularly dislike the mindless fun that the last seasons bring. It's just not as impactful. I remember being a teenager this show really blew my mind and put me in a different place. I guess I was so afraid that the show was canceled because of the delays of the 3rd season that I got satisfied with anything that came after.


it seems like most things i enjoy later become a fandom like steven universe, rick and morty, etc.  so I feel super ashamed for enjoying it and I never say I enjoy them because im worried that people will think i am one of those people and make people dislike me.


Pickle Rick was the moment that Rick became Heisenberg


I can tell you from free the writers are not people pleasers at all. they constantly do not bow down to what the fans want. and who tf watches rick and morty for tension😂😂😂


A show either ends well, or goes on long enough to start being bad.

@Steven Beauchamp spongebob got good again

ahem, ‘SpongeBob’, ahem ahem, ‘Simpsons’

You either die a hero, or live king enough to become the villain

After watching the seasons i didnt see anything bad. It started off bad and the charecter development made it better.

And that's why The Boondocks will always be a great show


Missed the opportunity to throw a wig on the pickle outfit during the ad read

Saying you’re from an alternate dimension where you used keeps, and it kept your hair when you went full pickle


the vat of acid ep was one of my favourite episodes


The worst part about your videos is that they end


Season 3 is literally the best and season 4 has some of the best episodes of the series...


"There is no empirical, scientific reason to care about others."<br>Caring about others tends to lead to increased chances of survival as people generally tend to be more willing to help those who are more likely to help them. The ability to cooperate with others is an evolutionary advantage.

"There is no empirical, scientific reason to care about others."
Caring about others tends to lead to increased chances of survival as people generally tend to be more willing to help those who are more likely to help them. The ability to cooperate with others is an evolutionary advantage.

@Φώτης
!! Only read if you have nothing better to do and are okay with being bored to death !!

that's a pretty bad take. while I agree that morality is sort of just a made up concept and completely relative it does make sense. we need it. there's a reason it's there. first of all people have a social need. we are social creatures and to fill that social need we need a support system and people we know we can count on in case something really bad happens(what we would define as love). we need approval from other people because it makes us feel good. it's also a human need. now, how do we get that? by being nice. now being nice wouldn't be a thing at all without morals. how else would you determine what makes a person "nice" and what not? even if we didn't have language there'd still be morals. people would know to like you if you help then hunt for food and they'd know to dislike you if you threw rocks at them. without morality both these acts are exactly the same amout of good or bad but you'd still know one is bad for you and the other one is good. because we've determined these rules we can function in a society without us all killing each other and shit (mostly). so while morals are relative they are still very much needed to function or they'd be nothing to stop people from ripping off your arm for no reason at all. we know what is right and what is wrong based on what we know we wouldn't want to happen to us. and so we apply that to other people and don't do it to them.

now that the basic concept of morality and why it is extremely important is out of the way, let's get to your argument.
a meeseecks box isn't enough.
not at all.
as people we need other *people*.
it's like a person couldn't be happy if they were forever alone but had a fucking bird to talk to.
it wouldn't be the same. we are programmed to live in social settings and groups because we are social creatures. let's say aliens are real (which they probably are) then they would most likely have different morals, different language and a different behavior than us so talking to them would most likely just feel the same as talking to a bird. it wouldn't satisfy you. in rick and morty most aliens are depicted very "human-like" but they probably wouldn't be like that outside of a TV show.
rick can also communicate with people from other dimensions. for that he also needs morals though. of course he can travel to a dimension where people don't have morals but people would most likely be ripping each other's heads off so I don't think he'd want to look for a support system there. he'd most likely look for a dimension similar to earth because humans need other *humans*. and then, to make relationships, he'd need to act moral.

so in conclusion, you can't really be happy without morals.
you'd be alone and miserable and fucking hate yourself, perhaps even off yourself.
I'm sorry if this is incredibly long and just over-analizing your comment for no real reason but I'm kinda sick of rick and morty fans running around saying they are smarter than everyone because they've cracked the code and they are the only one's who understand how meaningless everything is. (I'm sorry if this isn't what you were trying to say)
things are the way they are for a reason.
maybe it's not a deep, spiritual reason that warms hearts but there are reason to why shit is the way it is.
if you read all that, I'm sorry for wasting your time. (also sorry for my english, it's not my first language.)

This entire comment chain is just a nutshell embodiment of how stupid people on the internet can be. Especially ones that watch shows like Rick and Morty

@LPSlight the point is that Rick can do all those things himself. He don't cause it is more work but he can

@Light Yagami that don't really change his point to be fair.

@Light Yagami that don't really change his point to be fair.

@Michael Harbach that animal has no soul and doesn’t think like us so torturing it for entertainment is ok.

There I made it relative

@Φώτης okay does Rick grow his own food? Does he make his own water? Does he provide himself with a house? Does he derive pleasure from dominating others on his own? No, he's reliant upon others, just like EVERYONE is. This hyperindividualism nonsense that ur spouting is completely baseless and scientifically invalid. Survival is a common goal, not an individual pursuit, that's literally just how human beings work.

And lo and behold, this man has understood the fundamental truth of humanity. You will go far.

And lo and behold, this man has understood the fundamental truth of humanity. You will go far.

@Le Bonk this conversation really went from: "caring about others is good" to "rape is moral" really quick

@Le Bonk this conversation really went from: "caring about others is good" to "rape is moral" really quick

@Andrew Marshall If by "isn't going exactly as I'd hoped" you mean "has devolved into a shit-flinging competition in which ad hominem and facepalm emojis are accepted as valid substitutes for actual arguments and the topic is no longer relevant to the parent comment itself"

@Le Bonk "oh no I started a conversation that isn't going exactly as I'd hoped. Better shut the whole thing down!!" 🤦♂🤦♂🤦♂

I think you are missing the exact point, but only by a tiny hair. The key word here is "care". You can do positive things for other people, helping them, and being collaborative and therefore gaining the evolutionary advantage without a shred of actual caring. Plenty of the worst people to ever exist "helped" others, but they probably didn't care. Some of the most skilled collaborators turn out to be scumbags. Therefore, there's no reason to care; only to appear to care. Still, I agree with the fundamental idea of your comment.

@Le Bonk To be fair, It’s mainly Michael that’s being toxic from what I see. The other comments so far aren’t that bad, but hey, that’s just my subjective opinion.

gonna delete this comment if yall keep being toxic

gonna delete this comment if yall keep being toxic

Lol the Taliban consider themselves freedom fighters and the west says they're terrorists but sure "mOrALitYy is objEeeCTIve!" 🤦♂🤦♂🤦♂🤦♂

@Michael Harbach Haha mate, easy now. I will gladly admit I misunderstood subjectivism, but does that negate my other points or do you find them equally idiotic since you didn’t respond to them? And I must say that I find it funny that you berate others for a lack of education, while clearly showing that you lack the knowledge to consider that there exist other forms of education and areas of expertise outside of different schools of philosophy.

Edit: Also your not ‘you’re’. That must have slipped your highly educated mind.

@Michael Harbach Haha mate, easy now. I will gladly admit I misunderstood subjectivism, but does that negate my other points or do you find them equally idiotic since you didn’t respond to them? And I must say that I find it funny that you berate others for a lack of education, while clearly showing that you lack the knowledge to consider that there exist other forms of education and areas of expertise outside of different schools of philosophy.

Edit: Also *your* not ‘you’re’. That must have slipped your highly educated mind.

To add insult to injury, you've failed at reading comprehension with your example of subjectivity.  The discussion was about subjectivism, which is a specific topic in the realm of philosophy.  It means precisely what I've defined it to mean.  You're example of people liking different colors is literally not an example of philosophical subjectivism.  Your lack of education is astounding.

@Michael Harbach A case for rape being moral: In a situation with severe declining birthrates where new children a desperately needed, you could argue it would be moral to rape someone who refuse to reproduce.

Subjectivity: Somethings can be considered a fact, like you mentioned that the earth is round, which would fall under the objectivity category, while things like which color is pretty or what you felt during a movie is subjective.

@Michael Harbach Morality is relative like good and evil are subjective. The moral guidelines we develop for our selves in society isn’t based on something objectively good or moral, it’s based on what we find to be helpful to our survival. Moral values change from country to country and from the past, to the present and it will probably change in the future. People in the middle ages weren’t immoral or evil, they just had a different set of values which is usually decided by the society you grow up in.

@boomer funny jim gaffigan
It all depends on logic. In my opinion, I believe most people should stop believing that since something is moral/immoral we must do/not do it. An action can be immoral and yet we would still do that action. For example, killing animals is definitely immoral but we would still kill them for meat. Sometimes, it's hard to know whethe something is bad or not, is killing flies wrong? This is where logic comes into play. Here's a rule we have always known, murder is wrong unless... Unless it's baby Hitler, or unless it's a rich guy, or unless it's something. This where the moral gray area begins, and it's very simple to say murder is wrong UNLESS, UNLESS is when murder being immoral starts to be a complex topic.
I believe that moral relativism is dumb, morality depends on logic. There's no such thing as rape being 'okay', maybe unless it's a pedophiles people would start getting divided on the subject. But overall rape is certainly bad when it harms innocent people, this has no justification.

@Fellow G̶o̶y̶i̶m̶ White The fact that humanity only got as far as it did because of cooperation blows what you said out of the water.<br>Tribes cooperated, all of our progress technologically is because of cooperation. Society exists because humanity invented it, you going "we are anti-social because I personally don't think so" doesn't hold a candle against that truth.

@Fellow G̶o̶y̶i̶m̶ White The fact that humanity only got as far as it did because of cooperation blows what you said out of the water.
Tribes cooperated, all of our progress technologically is because of cooperation. Society exists because humanity invented it, you going "we are anti-social because I personally don't think so" doesn't hold a candle against that truth.

@Froggy Sure, but you'd have to do it carefully, since if they figure out that you don't actually care, they'll be MUCH less likely to want to help you, and in fact may want to hurt or hinder you. The risk/reward ratio of merely pretending to care may be worse than actually caring.

@Froggy Agreed,like,why do i need empathy or have to be social,what a shithead to say that we are social,when we are actually Anti - Social,as humanity a whole though.<br>Society is a messed concept,there's no such thing as Society,you just have to be social to gain something,if not,Just do what you want,Human nature is itself sociopathic so yeah,if it existed  these of guddie x baddie,world would be perfect,but it isn't so...

@Froggy Agreed,like,why do i need empathy or have to be social,what a shithead to say that we are social,when we are actually Anti - Social,as humanity a whole though.
Society is a messed concept,there's no such thing as Society,you just have to be social to gain something,if not,Just do what you want,Human nature is itself sociopathic so yeah,if it existed  these of guddie x baddie,world would be perfect,but it isn't so...

But you don't actually have to care about them you just have to make them think u care to exploit them

But you don't actually have to care about them you just have to make them think u care to exploit them

Mutalism, didn't that John Nash with the movies made about him (A Beautiful Mind) win a nobel prize for proving that mathematically?

He did, as part of game theory

When you have some you care for you have some you’d protect them from, thus furthering conflict, evolution takes it both ways by caring about your family you’ll siege war on another’s

@boomer funny jim gaffigan Your argument boils down to "Rape is moral because the rapist might not know any better" which is insane.  Rethink your position.  Whether or not a person/society knows that something is immoral is irrelevant to the truth about its morality.  This isn't some magic realm where "I believe something, therefore it is true" holds any weight.  Subjectivism is actually the perfect comparison because if someone says "The earth is flat" then we can scientifically/mathematically prove them incorrect, and their belief in the flatness of the world doesn't change the truth of the matter.

@Michael Harbach yeah and you started talking about subjectivism, like that may sound similar but obviously 1+1=2. relative is different than subjective, first off. second, i think moral relativism is a valid thing because what we view as moral could be viewed as horrendous and rude and terrible by a higher society, or us 100 years later. I understand that slaughtering animals for meat may be incorrect now that we have the technology and systems in place to replace meat protein or domestication of animals, but 200 years ago that shit did not matter. they made do, didn't murder each other, and killed the shit out of millions of bison. they didn't know. we don't know we don't know. Morals are relative to our understanding of what we see as cruel or morally "wrong."

@Delta 118 just look at C0vid restrictions and depression rates. There is very strong correlation and also clear causation in most of cases.

@Φώτης
Human beings require social interaction. We are social creatures by nature. The effects of isolation are very well studied, and are shown to almost be entirely negative.

@Φώτης
Human beings *require* social interaction. We are social creatures by nature. The effects of isolation are very well studied, and are shown to almost be entirely negative.

@Michael Harbach I think the original guy you were responding to was unfamiliar with the term moral relativism. Both of you were arguing on different wavelengths.

He was, (as far as I could tell) talking about how in the society we live in, morality and our values can differ depending on nature / nurture - (environment we grew up in, social background, values instilled in us during childhood, etc etc). How we empathise with others and perceive the world changes dependent on our perspective and understanding.

Whereas you were arguing that the philosophical position of moral relativism is really really stupid. As in, there are actions that no matter what the society / culture deems them, should be seen as morally reprehensible.

I think this whole thread was just a big misunderstanding. You were talking about concepts unfamiliar to them. But maybe cut them some slack next time, I think you were a little mean haha

@Michael Harbach actually that seems pretty dumb,I thought it meant like society-wise but a given belief system (such as a religion) CAN influence that decision

@Michael Harbach it is moral to THEM,that's the point,like gladiatorial battles to the death may be seen as amusing to one society while to another it may be seen as sickening<br>Those societies have different moral compasses,and therefore different sights as to what's good and bad,morality is subjective as people can see different things as right and wrong depending on either how they are raised,and which society they are raised in

@Michael Harbach it is moral to THEM,that's the point,like gladiatorial battles to the death may be seen as amusing to one society while to another it may be seen as sickening
Those societies have different moral compasses,and therefore different sights as to what's good and bad,morality is subjective as people can see different things as right and wrong depending on either how they are raised,and which society they are raised in

@Michael Harbach Weak examples. Differences don't have to bee that drastic. The society works, it's not perfect but it works in some level. Again, go back and read every sentence in that comment. I have nothing more to say since I don't see any need to converse with trolls or idiots in the internet.

@nefelibatacomingthrough first of all, we don't function well as a society (e.g. war, discrimination, wealth disparity, and pollution). Secondly, I'd love to hear you explain to me how rape is moral. Oh, you can't? That's because morality is not relative. Societal norms do not dictate what is moral. For example, there are societies that will fill a stadium to watch an animal be tortured to death for their sick amusement. Do you argue this is moral because that particular society says so? Moral relativism is just as dumb & false as subjectivism.

@Michael Harbach Morality IS relative. Not everyone is as empathetic person as those around them. The reason we can work as a society is that <i>most</i> of us see the same things wrong or right but the reason the world feels like shit some times is that some people just don't care. I don't know if those people feel that they are doing something wrong or really just don't feel nothing at all.

@Michael Harbach Morality IS relative. Not everyone is as empathetic person as those around them. The reason we can work as a society is that _most_ of us see the same things wrong or right but the reason the world feels like shit some times is that some people just don't care. I don't know if those people feel that they are doing something wrong or really just don't feel nothing at all.

EmpLemon has some bad takes like this in other videos as well.  He said something along the lines of "Morality is relative" in a recent video.  Moral relativism is insane.


I wish EmpLemon made this after season 05.


hopefully the show follows the trajectory of good kid, maad city and we end up getting a TPAB


Was a fun show. A shame it became a meme, but ya know... same as it ever was.


I remember watching Rick and Morty when season 1 was still new, and was completely shocked when it became popular out of nowhere right before season 3. I’ll never forget how strange of it period it was seeing something so niche hit main stream so fast, with so much lame merch like Funko pops and people who treated it like it was the New Testaments. I think the final straw was when Dan Harmon had a meltdown on twitter over the McDonalds incident.  By the time of season 4, I’m not sure what to make of it since it’s kind of just around but still popular, but the clips I’ve scene of it aren’t as good. I guess this is what happens when a show like it comes around when reddit is prevalent, since that is where it’s most popular community activity is

I had a very close experience too, only talking about it with two other friends who enjoyed it and got into it from the beginning. I still only talk to them about it and not any others lol, but personally I have been enjoying season 4 so far (took a break from watching it to focus on stuff, but I'll finish it soon.)

I know what you mean.  An animator friend of mine introduced me to the show when it was still relatively unknown and I was immediately hooked with it's aloof awareness of the general dysfunction in society.  Then it blew up and to avoid drowning in the torrent of normie meme culture surrounding the show, I made my enjoyment of Rick & Morty a much more private affair.


Great análisis, im really interested in your thoughts of the newest episodes

Also the gamergaye bit was funny to me lol


I often wonder what would the fandom of 90's shows like The Simpsons South Park, Family Guy ect. be like if they premiered in the social media/internet age, yes fans would buy the merch and quote the show but that's as far as it went not many really saw themselves in characters like Homer, Bart, Cartman or Stewie and for those are the ones that did you wouldn't hear about it unless you really knew that person, social media has made it so easy for fans to express their love or sometimes hate for a show that they fall into that toxic trap where they think their fan fics are worth pitching to a show they have no business writing for, obsession never has a good outcome and just blinds them to miss the point entirely especially young fans they see themselves in Rick or Bojack because they struggle with identity irl, I treat Rick and Morty like any other animated sitcom it definitely has it's flaws but when it delivers on it's odd  randomness and nuggets of comedy the pay off is immensely huge, the lore of the show I've honestly never cared about because it's obvious the creators are trolls and love to torment the audience that take it so seriously especially in the later seasons, they constantly flip the script on everyone everytime and that's a fact


Me who thought Rick and Morty was about Rick and Morty:


I don’t think that it’s Rick’s intellect that isolated him. I think it’s his failure to accept that meaning doesn’t have to be objective. Because value is subjective, he thinks it doesn’t matter. It’s hypocritical, because only valuing objectivity, is a value judgement.

@Mcheetah the thing is, Rick is only smart academically. He's emotionally incompetent because of his pettiness and need for control of the family, socially abhorrent due to how many enemies he makes, and there have been times where Jerry has outshone him by helping the family through survival skills when it was Rick's science that caused a problem.

It's Rick's pretentiousness and failure to value other forms of intellect outside of academics that makes him so miserable.

But the issue is, the smarter you are, the harder is to relate to most human beings, let alone enjoy their company. Even I hate the average person and think they're dumber than pig shit. George Carlin had a quote that was like, "Think of how dumb the average person is, now realize how many people there are even dumber than that." Now imagine being a 250 IQ big-brain Redditor like Rick. It'd be hard to relate to anyone, let alone find a redeeming purpose for humanity.

The thing that doesn't make sense though, is that Rick is smart enough to fix all the intellectual flaws in humanity and social issues we face so he could find people to relate to. He just chooses not to because he's also a selfish bastard.

Underrated comment that doesn't even have to be attributed to the show.


"Will season 5 come out before the imminent collapse of civilization?"

No, did will not


Pickle Rick got more new viewers than any other episode. his body mods are hilarious. you're over thinking it


Fart jokes and a bunch of copy-pasted stuff from philosophy textbooks. Lets the fans think they're very clever boys while watching a show full of fart jokes and terrorising McDonald's staff trying to do their jobs.

This series really never grabbed me.


Wow, I actually really liked season 3 more than seasons 2 and 1 :/<br>I personally thought the Vindicators and pickle rick episode were super hilarious and fun to watch.

Wow, I actually really liked season 3 more than seasons 2 and 1 :/
I personally thought the Vindicators and pickle rick episode were super hilarious and fun to watch.


The fandom makes people ashamed to enjoy the show. Kinda like how Ricks feel about Doofus Rick.

@Corncake It shouldn't, but human brains are traitorously social things and it's not as easy.


Since the end of season 3 the family drama and now all we’re left with bang bang shoot shoot of ridiculous cannibalistic underground “horse people” called the chums. BRING BACK THE OLD SHOW not some sci-fi western!


I kind of like how the hype for the show mostly vanished and now the writers can just focus on making the show they like instead of trying to please the audience

I don’t think the hype for Rick and Morty has vanished, there just isn’t a new season coming soon.


Digibro, mere moments before losing his God damn mind, said it best- The reason Rick and Morty went down hill is because roiland finished telling Rick's story at the end of season 2. It's why he v started working on Solar Opposites. Roiland has always been the creative heart of the show Harmon just translates  it into something palatable to a mainstream audience.


10/10 ad, didn’t even think it was an ad, I learned something.


How a fandom negatively influences a work of art is exactly how it is for an anime called "My Hero Academia". Fandom ruined it and people started to not see it as a good show anymore, and I started to feel embarrassed to like it, even when I shouldn't be.

raptorkil honestly, why do you think it’s bad though. The only reasons I’ve ever seen people give are 1) bad fan base (not an actual critique of the show) or 2) it adheres to much to common tropes (it doesn’t)

I’m in the MHA fandom. If you wanna avoid the more annoying parts of the fandom, just read the manga. The manga fandom is much smaller and a lot less cancerous. And the manga is damn good too

I feel this way about being a Sonic fan sometimes just cuz of the weirdo's and bad people that give us all a bad name. I am nothing like those people but I feel embarrased to be associated with them at times. It doesn't help popular influencers like Game Grumps always sh*t on us when ever given the opportunity.

It sucks when a few bad apples in a fandom make other people look bad who just so happend to enjoy a certain show, game, movie ect.

@Real Human Bean Doesn't mean the show's bad

Japanese creators in general dont give a fuck about fan opinions. At worst, an overzealous editor who places the audience's response over the author's vision can negatively impact the story, but Shounen Jump editors seem to know what they're doing judging by their track record. MHA is in good hands.


I think the existence of this video and all the video essays like it is very unusual.

For me, Rick and Morty walks a pretty identical path that Community did. Community was an irreverent comedy that took its charming setting and used it to make meta jokes and remix classic television formulas in a way that was extremely ahead of it’s time. Watching any episode of Community is almost surreal because it feels like it could have aired yesterday instead of 10 years ago.

But people don’t talk about Community in the same way they do Rick and Morty. Rick and Morty always seems to have this pressure to be the greatest, most unique, and boundary breaking show on TV when that’s a really unfair expectation.

It’s a perfectly fine show. Seriously. The Pickle Rick episode is fine. It introduces a desperately needed element of emotional intelligence into the show that it would continue to build on in later seasons. Rick and Morty may have changed but it definitely has not declined. Its evolving at a rate that feels like it’s keeping pace with the mileage they’re able to get out of the themes they introduce.

It’s a good show burdened by unfair expectations.


i totally disagree with your opinions on season 3. season 3 was hilarious, well written and had some of the best rick and morty episodes.


The saddest moment in this show is not Rick trying to off himself, not Morty having to bury his dead self, and not even the Fart's death scene. It's fucking Doofus Rick leaving which I think speaks volumes about what people don't understand about the show.


26:16 that Szechuan sauce medic and heavy meme is relatable to me lol


“Yo make me a pickle Rick costume”
“Uh ok, going to a con or something?”
“No I’m promoting the cure to baldness!”

you know, if he has a box of the stuff, that means he uses it

so that's an endorsement by example

@Verty technically "to" used in this context is also correct.


I like that season 5 has been de powering Rick

Yeah it seems that they are trying to fix everything that seemed to go wrong with the show over the past two seasons.


I don't agree that Star Wars would at it's core be about disfunctional families. Seeing the first film as a possible stand alone movie, which it could have ended up being, refutes that.

For me, it's clear that it's a show about good and evil, and making the hard choices over the simple (but evil) ones.


you know what
rick and morty sounds like rigor mortis
there's just an uncanny feeling about that
a humorous one


Watching this feels weird after that Rick and morty reference in space jam


Was not expecting Geowizard's music. Very cool.


While I understand why people would disregard season 3 as losing its foothold in the more serious analysis of the characters, I personally regard it as the moment where the writers become more self-aware about what the show really portrayed. I'm not talking about what the showrunners (probably) wanted to portray in the first two seasons, but about what they ended up portraying. You explained quite well what you thought they wanted to depict through the alleged accountability of Rick, but while I agree with you in understanding the series that way, I don't believe that it is the most straightforward explanation to what's happening before your eyes. The most straightforward explanation for Rick and Morty having to escape their universe and bury their true selves isn't that Morty get's traumatized and that the consequences of their actions still live on, it is that they can now have a fresh start and Morty's trauma is once again played as a joke. The most straightforward explanation to Rick and Morty having to flee from crazy situations isn't that it reveals Rick's flaws, but that it is always Morty who ends up fucking things up by showing sympathy in an unknown universe where everything is a threat. The most straightforward explanation for Rick's capture isn't that he finally holds accountability, it is that he has become so depressed and nihilistic that he has allowed himself to get captured, Billy the Kid style, in what is probably the ultimate flex. To me, this point is actually where the series peaks in its nihilism.

Season 3 reads to me as the writers acknowledging that while the series does show Rick's flaws, it is his strengths that prevail in the end because he is the only character in this universe capable of defending himself. This is shown time and time again in almost every episode, whether they are heartfelt and touching like the F.A.R.T. one or more forgettable. What the series shows is that Rick's careless, nihilistic and extremely toxic (as Morty still ends up following him because he thinks of him as a role model, even though Rick hurts him countless times) is the only one that allows you to survive in this universe, because intelligence is everything there. You can't blame people for acting pedantic and relating to this flawed scientist character when every highlight moment of the series is allowed to exist because of this character. So, in season 3, I feel like the writers just went "to hell with this surface-level accountability that never goes anywhere, now we're gonna fully acknowledge that Rick is the central character of this universe and that he is basically a demigod". Is it less entertaining ? Probably, but at the same time I think it's also more honest. Getting really deep and straightforward with the consequences in a show isn't necessarily bad for comedy, it just doesn't blend well with the unhinged environment that had been set up here. If you want a series that portrays this kind of accountability really well, then BoJack Horseman is a great example.

Quick sidenote on the "dark" side of Rick and Morty: while some moments are indeed dark and disturbing in a good way, some are just purely gross. Showing Morty about to get raped by the jellybean isn't dark, it's just fucked up and this supposedly "mature" façade doesn't hold well for countless other moments of the show.

In the end, I do appreciate Rick and Morty, but mostly for the very creative universe and the excellent improv bits. My favorite episodes are the Interdimensional Cable ones and the Ricklantis Mixup, so probably the ones that don't actually try to involve the characters and just let the universe take its course. Gotta say also that even though I disagree with you, your videos never fail to provide great talking points supported by top notch editing. As a soccer fan from a rundown French city where soccer is basically everything, your videos on NASCAR resonated very much with me and I want to thank you for presenting the world with what's it's like to be passionate about a sport most will regard as a stupid pastime for uneducated people.


You need a large amount of B.D.M.I to understand rick and morty memes


real talk: i'm someone that believes real life is boring, i love the weird part of the show. but i'm not trying to find deeper meaning behind mr bulldops or poopy butthole.
i just like weird for weird.

i will say the family dynamic is great though.


He’s gone so far down the spiral he’s gone beyond the “bottom”  reached the top, only to be dragged back down to the endlessness below once again. This is his future. His guarantee. Nobody can help him.  But I have a suspicion that he doesn’t want it. The spiral has become his home. A part of who he is. He has accepted this, and you should too.

@Tolman no, if you check the Twitter video, you can see he lives NEXT to The Downwards Spiral, not inside of it.

So what you’re saying is that a spiral is his home, but it’s better than being alone?

The infinite rotation achieved by the golden ratio

@Red Line He born at the bottom, and he climbed. Just to fall, fall, fall from the top. Now he's climbing up there once more. Perhaps he never reached the bottom.

Emp was born in it, molded by it. A non stop plumment since he was a boy and when he finally became a man, the top was heavy was difficult.

what if he's travelling in a spiralling never ending portal?


i love hearing Esprit and other obscure vaporwave in your videos, i always get excited when i hear it come on in the background


The show after season 3 is about ones search for meaning in an uncaring universe


It all changed with pickle rick and that damn szechuan sauce


This video made me fall asleep for 8 hours XD


Don’t let this video distract you from the fact that the Voice actor of Gumball literally made a Pickle Rick episode with Carson

I have to wait 90 days to change my name


I really like how he uses Gran Turismo music. the music from those games is way underappreciated


i hate almost everything mainstream (not my fault, i don't decide it to be "cool") like star wars, GOT, or the marvel movies but... i loved rick and morty from the very first episode i watched, i still do today and don't know why ¯\_(ツ)_/¯<br>i don't interact with the fandom tho - with any fandom for all that matters

i hate almost everything mainstream (not my fault, i don't decide it to be "cool") like star wars, GOT, or the marvel movies but... i loved rick and morty from the very first episode i watched, i still do today and don't know why ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
i don't interact with the fandom tho - with any fandom for all that matters

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IDK. I liked the pickle Rick episode.  It's funny and a bit nonsensical and it bought me back to the old days of adult swim. Still I agree with a lot of what you're saying in this video.


In season one Morty states to Jerry:" No ones smarter than Rick so the argument about how they never stated Rick was the smartest man in the universe is benign. It wasn't outright stated in most episodes before season 3 it was definitely implied, whilst going against the story telling philosophy of "tell don't show" by doing the exact opposite. I do love your overall opinion throughout the video though, but my opinion of Rick and Morty never changed because of the fanbase and their actions. Yes it was cringy to see them spazzing in public and online with their crazy rants and behaviors, and yes it did slow down a little and become pandering in the later seasons after 2 but it still felt genuine and unique put side by side to other adult cartoons we had at the time. I can't think of another adult cartoon that even came close to Rick and Morty that was in syndication without talking about Netflix exclusives such as Bojack Horseman but that show is a different comedy in it's own right and shouldn't be in the same category as Rick and Morty. Great video I just think you focused more on the online fans and their opinions/reactions/actions. Even the video in McDonald's you showed was an obvious over projection of the fanbase.


I know Rick hates God but he embodies a great bible quote:
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow; the more knowledge, the more grief."
-Ecclesiastes 1:18

J D you know now that I think about it, maybe I was too harsh with my words. At the end of the day it’s your choice to live how you want. I was just sharing my thoughts on the subject, though I admit I just learned some more ways of how nihilism works I was just looking at the idea of finding meaning or value in nothing.

andres ltaif müller so is nihilism a bad thing if you let it consume you? Like how can you ever be happy by detaching yourself from the world like that? I know that it doesn’t have to necessarily be a bad thing, but doesn’t it seem wrong to purposely not find value or meaning (depending on what it is like morals, consequences. etc) how will you ever learn with a mindset like that?

@Dane Stambaugh I know that and I said experienced, not being. Being cosmic nihilistic is what you said, experienced it brings a huge existential horror, bigger than just existential nihilism.

Dane Stambaugh you know what I got from this is that nihilism is like a tool for certain situations or subjects. I just think it shouldn’t be used to guide your life completely or you become an asshole like rick. Of course I’m specifically talking about cosmic nihilism.

@andres ltaif müller most people aren't cosmic nihilists, to be a cosmic nihilist is to be detached from human morality. Even people who are nihilistic tend to care about the close ones in their life, hence the terminology of "sphere of influence" and that's what separates them from cosmic nihilism. Rick is only a cosmic nihilist because at any point he can hard reset his current universe and run from his problems, and because of that, everything inherently holds no meaning to him. Rick's concept of love is familiarity over time across multiple versions of an individual across the multiverse, rather an attachment to one individual in one universe. In short, Rick's own intelligence has warped his perception on reality and the value it holds

@134Cerky your last comment reflects existential nihilism, where life doesn't have a definitive meaning and you have to acknowledge that. There are many people that practice that, even if they are religious.

@Dane Stambaugh a man who really experienced cosmic nihilism is dead or had depression. It is interesting that existential nihilism is overcome with religion (believing in something).

Dane Stambaugh i was think I get it now, but if that’s so what’s the point of calling it nihilism? How many kinds of nihilism is out there? I get the idea of not caring about things that are out of your control, but anyone can do that. I just don’t agree with the parts that I meantioned, how can nothing have value? That doesn’t make any sense to me, you can find value in a lot of things it just depends on the person. You know what I’m saying? There are also consequences to all your actions to, you can’t treat everything like it has no meaning or value to it. There are things worth doing and others that are not so much. Also why care about what the universe thinks? Why give up caring for a thing that doesn’t think at all?

Dane Stambaugh wow, thanks for that input. I haven’t really thought about it that way (well I kind of already had). But I was mostly looking at the definitions that I have been given. Idk words can mean different things to different people.

@134Cerky its not just a philosophy of "nothing matters cuz we all be dead someday" its a realization of even if i die, you die, all we care about dies, if everyone were to suddenly pass, the universe would be unaffected. It would exist without us, its the ideal that the universe is a constant outside of feasible control and our influence can't change that or anyone's for a matter of fact. If rick were to die and I mean really die, the universe isn't gonna morn him, and he knows that. A man with infinite intelligence and can make anything still wont be missed. Rick doesn't care because the universe doesn't care, so why should he

@134Cerky nihilism isn't cut and dry like that though, one can be nihilistic and still strive to fill the void with the "meaningless" things people do to fill the gaps of time before we expire. There are nihilists that truly believe nothing is worthwhile and anything done is a pathetic jab at the universe to show our existence has meaning but they aren't the rule. Someone who has the conscious desire to be more than what the universe tells you, but smart enough to realize that, outside of their sphere of influence, their life means very little. This is exsitensial nihilism. While believing that nothing truly matters, and that the universe is a cold unflinching constant that guarantees frivolous life and guarantees death and that nothing inside the universe means anything because the universe just doesn't care or really just can't care for that matter. That's cosmic nihilism, what rick is

hweirdo I know, you can take the idea of nihilism in a good way. If nothing matters then you give it your own meaning. There is a positive light to it in a way. I admit I don’t necessarily know all about nihilism, but when I look up it’s definitions it all boils down to “absolutely nothing has meaning or value of any kind” which I don’t think is true. It also involves extreme skepticism of morals. You can find value or meaning in anything and I’d say our morals brought us pretty far as a species. It’s an interesting Philosophy, just not something you should live by.

It took longer than I expected for an argument to break out in this thread

@134Cerky You don't understand nihilism. Actually read the works by Schopenhauer and Nietzsche to see how different the philosophy of nihilism can be.

Ghostin that’s not the point, though it goes off the rails talking about how the Bible works. The point I was trying to get across is that you need some kind of compass or guide to live out your life, nihilism doesn’t give you that, Its finds that as a contradiction to its logic.

Yeah, I hate the people say things like “oh I don’t believe in god I’m so smart and rational, your stupid for having a world view I consider to be toxic.” The Bible gives you guidance of how to live life in a good, meaningful way. It states many things that I find to be true, when I followed its teachings more I was more happy and better as a person. It’s a real mind opener, the problem today is that people have a problem understanding how it’s written, some of the the translations don’t have the full meaning or can easily be taken the wrong way. It uses lots of metaphors, poetry and hyperbole to get its point across, its supposed to be read in its full context. You can’t take the Bible too literally or else it won’t make any sense at all.

Noooo you can't just quoterino an adagerino hardened through thousands of years of darwinian cultural selection pressures! That's not science friendo!

I think conflating being a polymath with wisdom is a fundamental misstep.

@Hassan Ayyash It shows the hypocrisy of the character and the general idea of what the show creators consider "humor".

He actually prays to God when he thinks he's actually going to die, then immediately tells him off after he realizes he can save himself haha


34:05 This really aged well didn't it?....


I never noticed any kind of fandom. I just watch the show. Am I doing something wrong? :D


I know that the new “smartest man alive” trope ruined the show but it makes sense, Rick becomes more paranoid and unstable as the show goes on


I feel bad for Royland about Solar Opposites,
I think Royland was trying to capitalize on the fandom by making a new show that solely caters to them...
but that show is kinda cringey and has like no following compared to Rick and Morty