"Can a fandom be so insufferable that they damage their shows reputation beyond repair?"

Yes, Steven Universe.

"Can a fandom be so insufferable that they damage their shows reputation beyond repair?"

Yes, Steven Universe.

i came to say "the pacing of SU means its difficult to watch unless you were there at the time for the stevenbomb release structure" and scroll down to find dream smp discourse lol

i came to say "the pacing of SU means its difficult to watch unless you were there at the time for the stevenbomb release structure" and scroll down to find dream smp discourse lol

Lol. I should know, I was apart of it for a while until finding out how toxic people can be

Lol. I should know, I was apart of it for a while until finding out how toxic people can be

@Balazs Docs no not minecraft, minecraft youtubers, most of the toxic stans only affect youtubers like technoblade dream and tommyinit, just the ones on the dream smp ngl,because mumbo jumbo and grian dont have those stans even though their minecraft youtubers. Also your points only affects dream smp youtubers so you do apply some good points just the points are targeted a small portion of the minecraft community and nobody actualy thinks that thats the entire minecraft community

@Leonardo as a jjba fan, most fans of jjba go through that phase and then chill out later, with how massively influencial the manga was even without being widely available in america cobined with the fact that the show is weird af but somehow applying to everything resulted in the meme of iS tHAt a jOJo refrence and a lot of other memes, (killer queen has already touched that ______)(ZA WURLDO) (torture dance) (it was me dio) (how many breads have you eaten in your life) its kinda expected for the fandom to be toxic and annoying(some are toxic, some are just annoying)

@Leonardo if anyone hates The Jojo fandom the most it's JoJo fans themselves.

@Leonardo if anyone hates The Jojo fandom the most it's JoJo fans themselves.

The first Three comments just Said my four favorite animated series.

The first Three comments just Said my four favorite animated series.

@Discount Chocolate The difference is that Undertale is a good game (though I haven't played it but the walkthrough had to think of it otherwise) while Steven Universe is also good at least from the beginning but the later seasons where things are rather complicated.

Yes, FNAF. Yes, Undertale.

Not just shows. Video games too.

Yes, FNAF. Yes, Undertale.

Not just shows. Video games too.

@Leonardo nah the fandom hasn’t damaged it. It’s stayed the same throughout the years

@Leonardo nah the fandom hasn’t damaged it. It’s stayed the same throughout the years

@Mr. Friendship Yeah that's basically what I was saying but I didn't explain it well and I probably didn't put much thought in what I typed back when I made that comment lol.

@Mr. Friendship Yeah that's basically what I was saying but I didn't explain it well and I probably didn't put much thought in what I typed back when I made that comment lol.

@Odd Life Do you fail to realize that every fandoms have a bad side? There are nice and friendly ones in the good side but you shouldn't be overlooking on the toxic side of the fandom too much.

@Odd Life Do you fail to realize that every fandoms have a bad side? There are nice and friendly ones in the good side but you shouldn't be overlooking on the toxic side of the fandom too much.

@Leonardo nah jojo fandom is fine other than them invading all stand name music comment sections

@Leonardo nah jojo fandom is fine other than them invading all stand name music comment sections

@ImmaLittlePip tbh Korra is actually a good show

@ImmaLittlePip tbh Korra is actually a good show

@God tf2, jojo, undertale, minecraft? Yeah, what a waste of good works

@God tf2, jojo, undertale, minecraft? Yeah, what a waste of good works

@Leonardo man, all these masterpieces tainted by the kids that smell like spicy Cheetos

@Leonardo man, all these masterpieces tainted by the kids that smell like spicy Cheetos

@Leonardo maybe you’re right but also y-OU FELL FOR IT

THUNDER CROSS SPLIT ATTACK

@Leonardo maybe you’re right but also y-OU FELL FOR IT

THUNDER CROSS SPLIT ATTACK

To be honest, The show itself was always pretty shitty. Jojo's or Undertale are far better examples.

To be honest, The show itself was always pretty shitty. Jojo's or Undertale are far better examples.

final season and future were fucking masterpieces and the fact that some arseholes in the fandom being so vicious pushed people away from it is such a shame

final season and future were fucking masterpieces and the fact that some arseholes in the fandom being so vicious pushed people away from it is such a shame

@Nick Name the incoherence to jojo is why it ended up being so popular in the first place. "bizzare" is in the name, the whole anime takes advantage of our loose definition of humor and sense of impulse by taking something that is either simple, cliché, or something that a hobo on acid would think of, yet ends up entertaining us while simultaneously making us want to see more. it's the reason why the Lego City and Stick Bug memes became so popular.

@Nobody Cares man you're really overexaggerating how incoherent jojo's is. you know we're talking about an anime that began and continued as a battle comic right? where the plot serves to fill the action and not vice versa? if you don't like the action, I get it, don't watch it because it's not for you. that's all it is. it's not flawed because it's incoherent, it just doesn't suit your taste.

@Eat At Joe's season 1 was just annoying tho... at least to me

@Eat At Joe's season 1 was just annoying tho... at least to me

@ken Do they pay you well for being a gatekeeper?<br>I think I'll consider it.

@ken Do they pay you well for being a gatekeeper?
I think I'll consider it.

@gghhghhghgh gghhghhghgh It's definitely a series loved for how over the top, memorable and fun it is, but just because it doesn't take itself too seriously, it doesn't mean it's devoid of any genuinely good writing though.
From part 4 onwards the writing slowly but surely improves.
Part 7 specifically is often considered peak JoJo.

@CrunchyWolf Honestly, when you start reading the later parts the show actually becomes way deeper in themes. I feel like part 7 is where araki really comes into his own and makes what Jojo was meant to be from the start. I.e. it has actual character development.

@Nobody Cares Posting spoilers is always a rude act that shouldn't be done. And I have to disagree with the inconsistency. People just speed-read and completely misinterpret things because of memes or botched translations. Example, King Crimson is incredibly easily explained.

I think a bad fandom in my opinion is the Paper Mario TTYD fandom its that bad.

I think a bad fandom in my opinion is the Paper Mario TTYD fandom its that bad.

@ken You're acting like you actually know about the show by saying we "ruined" it, when in reality you've barely scratched a fifth of it. Whats there to ruin if you dont even know what it is we are ruining?

I personally think its a great show. Not the best, but at least good. And so, i talk about it to people. Other JoJo fans do the same. This is called "recommendations" and its fine to not like recommendations since taste in entertainment is subjective.

Its better if you'd just not reply to this, its pretty baffling that you dont understand the illogicality of thinking we've ruined a show by recommending it and thinking its good (while not even knowing 4/5 of what the show is about)

confused ? Of course your fandom ruined the show. You overhype it, make it seem like it’s great, and it ends up disappointing.

“B-BUT YOU GOTTA WATCH UNTIL PART 3” Fuck no.

confused ? Of course your fandom ruined the show. You overhype it, make it seem like it’s great, and it ends up disappointing.

“B-BUT YOU GOTTA WATCH UNTIL PART 3” Fuck no.

@ken yeah you think we ruined the show but you havent even finished watching it

@ken yeah you think we ruined the show but you havent even finished watching it

confused I tried and I genuinely can’t get into it. And yes, I finished Part 1 and moved into Part 2. I just ended up dropping it.

confused I tried and I genuinely can’t get into it. And yes, I finished Part 1 and moved into Part 2. I just ended up dropping it.

@ken People liking shows is an inevitability, buddy. Good shows, at least in theory and mostly in practice, get large fanbases that are pretty diverse. Thats just how it is.

Shaming these people for liking something instead of not liking/not watching it so it remains niche is pretty stupid

The show is exaggerated, but its satirical. Its comical that most people would actually think we're serious when we say its perfect

On that note, watch the series its God's divine gift to humanity

@Zen Zenulous Man I really miss belonging to the most reviled Fandom on the internet, now no one talks about homestuck anymore

@Zen Zenulous Man I really miss belonging to the most reviled Fandom on the internet, now no one talks about homestuck anymore

@Nobody Cares So what? Thats not evidence of part 7 originally not being about JoJo. The main protagonist (Johnny Joestar) is a JoJo and was introduced in the chapters you claim to have been what was "supposed to be Part 7"

Undertale seems more likely to withstand the test of time than SU though, because it had to be polished and tell a self-contained story before it even released. SU is bad because the Crewniverse made it bad, and the fandom is a byproduct of its incredibly poorly thought-out and inefficient storytelling. Undertale's reputation as a cringe magnet is primarily the product of its fandom, who latched on just as Homestuck was starting to wane in relevance. At the same time many of these fans started latching onto SU because they saw in it another potential lore-rich story that they failed to anticipate was all but guaranteed to disappoint due to its serial storytelling approach.

The serial format is a fucking curse that increases opportunities for the creative forces behind it to fuck everything up if not handled extremely competently, and greater potential for invested time and interest that doesn't meaningfully pay off. Handled extremely poorly, you get absolute shitshows like Steven Moffat's Sherlock Holmes adaptation, or the worst elements of Homestuck content after Act 5 and even more so after Act 7. These circumstances create dedicated hatedoms, arguably more knowledgeable about the core text than the most loyal fans willing to swallow any revisionist fan-fiction-tier bullshit from Word of God, and furious about the months or even years sunk into trying to understand these fictional worlds. Like Rick and Morty, these other properties succumbed to the additional dangers of compromising their identities to appeal to their fandoms (although Sherlock seemed to do almost the opposite, saying "fuck you" to anyone trying to follow Sherlock's train of thought), which will also turn early die-hard supporters into die-hard haters.

I'm frankly terrified the same sort of shit will happen with Hazbin Hotel, which has only 1.5 episodes out so far, since that cartoon seems extremely promising at the moment but faces many of the same dangers serials like Homestuck and SU did at their beginning: the showrunner seem extremely ambitious to expand the scope of her world and storytelling, planning to run a parallel slice of life office comedy happening in the same universe and apparently too young and energetic to know what burnout feels like yet, not unlike Andrew Hussie around 10 years ago. If the Hazbin fandom turns to shit from the show turning to shit, I can anticipate why that might happen. I will be among the first to jump ship if this shit derails. I've seen this shit happen too many times.

In contrast I continue looking forward to Deltarune regardless of how long it takes because I know it's going to come out in a self-contained form and don't have enough information about it to inflate my expectations beyond its capabilities. It won't have another opportunity to build hype for itself, it'll just unceremoniously drop on our laps, fully formed, if and when it's finished.

Undertale seems more likely to withstand the test of time than SU though, because it had to be polished and tell a self-contained story before it even released. SU is bad because the Crewniverse made it bad, and the fandom is a byproduct of its incredibly poorly thought-out and inefficient storytelling. Undertale's reputation as a cringe magnet is primarily the product of its fandom, who latched on just as Homestuck was starting to wane in relevance. At the same time many of these fans started latching onto SU because they saw in it another potential lore-rich story that they failed to anticipate was all but guaranteed to disappoint due to its serial storytelling approach.

The serial format is a fucking curse that increases opportunities for the creative forces behind it to fuck everything up if not handled extremely competently, and greater potential for invested time and interest that doesn't meaningfully pay off. Handled extremely poorly, you get absolute shitshows like Steven Moffat's Sherlock Holmes adaptation, or the worst elements of Homestuck content after Act 5 and even more so after Act 7. These circumstances create dedicated hatedoms, arguably more knowledgeable about the core text than the most loyal fans willing to swallow any revisionist fan-fiction-tier bullshit from Word of God, and furious about the months or even years sunk into trying to understand these fictional worlds. Like Rick and Morty, these other properties succumbed to the additional dangers of compromising their identities to appeal to their fandoms (although _Sherlock_ seemed to do almost the opposite, saying "fuck you" to anyone trying to follow Sherlock's train of thought), which will also turn early die-hard supporters into die-hard haters.

I'm frankly terrified the same sort of shit will happen with Hazbin Hotel, which has only 1.5 episodes out so far, since that cartoon seems extremely promising at the moment but faces many of the same dangers serials like Homestuck and SU did at their beginning: the showrunner seem extremely ambitious to expand the scope of her world and storytelling, planning to run a parallel slice of life office comedy happening in the same universe and apparently too young and energetic to know what burnout feels like yet, not unlike Andrew Hussie around 10 years ago. If the Hazbin fandom turns to shit from the show turning to shit, I can anticipate why that might happen. I will be among the first to jump ship if this shit derails. I've seen this shit happen too many times.

In contrast I continue looking forward to Deltarune regardless of how long it takes because I _know_ it's going to come out in a self-contained form and don't have enough information about it to inflate my expectations beyond its capabilities. It won't have another opportunity to build hype for itself, it'll just unceremoniously drop on our laps, fully formed, if and when it's finished.

@ImmaLittlePip I couldn't think of a better comparison if I tried. Well done, my friend.

@ImmaLittlePip I couldn't think of a better comparison if I tried. Well done, my friend.

@InsanityMethods <br>Korra is the star wars sequels of avatar

@InsanityMethods
Korra is the star wars sequels of avatar

@Introverted Wifi
God how did Eddsworld get such a bad fandom
I've also noticed the bad fandom pop up long after Edd Gould death

@Introverted Wifi
God how did Eddsworld get such a bad fandom
I've also noticed the bad fandom pop up long after Edd Gould death

@Space junk <br>They are known to bully artist them driving a girl to suicide was the last straw

@Space junk
They are known to bully artist them driving a girl to suicide was the last straw

@Nobody Cares part 7 was not supposed to be related to jojo? Hmm, part 7 was part of what anime? oh right JoJo's Bizarre Adventure

if the part 7 of an anime called jojo isnt related to jojo, i've never heard of anything be said about "what it was supposed to be".

I didnt say araki forgetting was a meme, he himself stated that. So theres that

@Nobody Cares part 7 was not supposed to be related to jojo? Hmm, part 7 was part of what anime? oh right _JoJo's Bizarre Adventure_

if the part 7 of an anime called jojo isnt related to jojo, i've never heard of anything be said about "what it was supposed to be".

I didnt say araki forgetting was a meme, he himself stated that. So theres that

Homestuck also comes to mind tho that comic was always hot trash.

Homestuck also comes to mind tho that comic was always hot trash.

@Leonardo actually its only the small pit of reference makers everywhere which arent really cool people

@Leonardo actually its only the small pit of reference makers everywhere which arent really cool people

Not tied to any specific IP, but furry, gaming, and anime in general. The sheer volume of bad actors in these fandoms taint the entire fucking thing for many people, regardless that in each one of these said annoying, bad people aren't the majority. All three share similar stereotypes with furries having their weird sex stuff be gay and open rather than straight incel shit.

I would say it’s really up to how much the fandom actually can have an impact on the actual art, but toxic fandoms can make a barbed wire fence around the actual piece of media, making it look very unappealing from the outside.

@LX BDK (Notifications are OFF) Honestly I think the show's main mistake was the diamonds' redemption. It had a lot of potential and good episodes, but that arc just made no sense, and there was really no coming back from it

@gghhghhghgh gghhghhghgh You would be surprised..... I think a show can be well written despite not being particularly complex, and Jojo's does present some decent layers to its narrative, but there's a new, growing part of the danbase that genuinely thinks that the show is peak writting and they will use every buzzword in the book to try to make you think so

@Space junk  That ironically is always a catalyst for bashing that show's fandom but that was more so a tumblr push if you looked more into it.

If you ever noticed what UT, SU, and a lot of cancerous fandoms have in common is that sometimes it's a lot of concentration on one particular platform until it explodes out into other websites.

@parker k "Sympathise with Space Dictators..." Explain how they are besides the human zoo thing.

@parker k "Sympathise with Space Dictators..." Explain how they are besides the human zoo thing.

All fandoms are bad stop being babies lol

All fandoms are bad stop being babies lol

Childhood Trauma tbh Jojo might be overhyped, but that hype is the only reason I started watching anime. So, the fandom is capable of good

Childhood Trauma tbh Jojo might be overhyped, but that hype is the only reason I started watching anime. So, the fandom is capable of good

@CrunchyWolf I cannot wait until Stone Ocean Anime drops and people finally find out WHY it's called Jojos Bizarre adventure and not Jojo's Ghost DBZ.

@CrunchyWolf I cannot wait until Stone Ocean Anime drops and people finally find out WHY it's called Jojos Bizarre adventure and not Jojo's Ghost DBZ.

Also My Hero Academia, Tomb Raider, juggalos, etc.

Also My Hero Academia, Tomb Raider, juggalos, etc.

LX BDK I disagree. The fandom is the only factor

LX BDK I disagree. The fandom is the only factor

@gghhghhghgh gghhghhghgh Yeah, real character depth comes far later than the animated parts. Part 7 is probably the first one with actual themes and character development, with a pretty good philosophy.

@SunClonkt I can't help but hear it in the OVA's jotaro voice goddamnit lol

@SunClonkt I can't help but hear it in the OVA's jotaro voice goddamnit lol

@Nobody Cares I wouldn't say overhyped but hey those are opinions for you

@Nobody Cares I wouldn't say overhyped but hey those are opinions for you

@Manafighter no, the only social media I have is Youtube

@Manafighter no, the only social media I have is Youtube

@gghhghhghgh gghhghhghgh agree, I didn't know what SU fans were capable of so I just assumed we talked about cancerously annoying fanbases

@gghhghhghgh gghhghhghgh agree, I didn't know what SU fans were capable of so I just assumed we talked about cancerously annoying fanbases

Homestuck is another good example, even if it’s not a show.

Homestuck is another good example, even if it’s not a show.

I mean even without it's horrid fanbase, Steven Universe went from mediocre to absolute dogshit towards the end.

I mean even without it's horrid fanbase, Steven Universe went from mediocre to absolute dogshit towards the end.

Childhood Trauma He’s really not as inconsistent as people make him out to be. Just a lot of incompetents complaining because they lack basic comprehension.

Araki definitely got some glaring fuck ups, but the whole Araki forgot thing is just a joke some people decided to take serious.

JoJo is a good show in my opinion. I think like someone described above, it ain’t deep, don’t have good dialogue, nothing special or crazy. It’s just simply fun and memorable. Kinda like dragon ball. Sometimes I just wanna throw on som anime that make me excited like a 10 year old ya know?

@Adrian Christ Honestly what is its reputation? I mostly just see ironic and double ironic sans memes.

@Adrian Christ Honestly what is its reputation? I mostly just see ironic and double ironic sans memes.

@Leonardo Must be the work of enemy stand user

@Leonardo Must be the work of enemy stand user

@Aumima Mimadino I legitimately can't convince some friends to play Undertale because of it's reputation. Easily one of my favorite games from the last decade

@Aumima Mimadino I legitimately can't convince some friends to play Undertale because of it's reputation. Easily one of my favorite games from the last decade

parker k <br>“all the humans were brown”?? You clearly never saw it or are just making stuff up. Most of the humans in the zoo were some shade of white, including the main blonde lady, and a quick Google search can prove that

parker k
“all the humans were brown”?? You clearly never saw it or are just making stuff up. Most of the humans in the zoo were some shade of white, including the main blonde lady, and a quick Google search can prove that

@Nobody Cares disagree, since trying out new themes is not signs of a "horribly inconsistent writer" and are actually signs of "not being stale and being boring by doing the same shit for 12 seasons" and JoJo isnt that overhyped

But you know, agree to disagree

@Leonardo Jojo's bizarre adventure made me go to the gym. I think it's fanbase not only elevates the show.

@Leonardo Jojo's bizarre adventure made me go to the gym. I think it's fanbase not only elevates the show.

I don't care for Steven Universe and even I know it did and is doing just fine.

I don't care for Steven Universe and even I know it did and is doing just fine.

I never really likes SU, and the fandom for the show reinforced my hate. But who knows, I might pick it up again to see if it’s good

I never really likes SU, and the fandom for the show reinforced my hate. But who knows, I might pick it up again to see if it’s good

Yo I like jojo, and im gonna yell at you and prove your point!

Yo I like jojo, and im gonna yell at you and prove your point!

Difference is Steven Universe is actually a shitty show too.

Difference is Steven Universe is actually a shitty show too.

@gghhghhghgh gghhghhghgh Anecdote: I'm a Steven Universe fan and I'm well aware the show sucks in a ton of places. What attracted me to the show was the concepts within them. Near-immortal alien space rocks that can merge their forms to become more powerful sounds pretty awesome to me. The combination of magic and science fiction seemed pretty cool as well. It's a shame it wasn't actually handled all that well in the show itself. That's why I focus more on fan-work nowadays, especially since the show is over (to what I imagine some people's pleasure)

My feelings on fandoms are pretty forgiving, probably. Unless %50 of the fandom is actually doing shitty toxic things, it's not a toxic fandom. When people say a fandom is toxic they're implying that it's most of the fandom when at most it's like %10. I've seen way more people criticize the toxic fans for being idiots than toxic fans being toxic. And yes I'm still talking about SU.

I think this whole toxicity aspect to fandom is more prevalent with IPs that attract younger audiences who don't have enough self-awareness to realize they're being retarded or adults who never grew out of being pathetically stupid. There's a ton of other factors but I'm not here to write an essay.

Steven Universe is really interesting to me because the fandom became more insufferable alongside the show's gradual writing deterioration over time.

1st season = relatively chill, fandom & writing make it fun to watch
2nd season: still cool, starting to crack though w/Keystone Motel/suicide-baity bullshit
Season 3: mild, watch the fandom though...
Season 4, 5: holy shit, what happened?!

Now it's hit that unique sweet spot where both the fandom and the hatedom are irritating fuckwads, please go away.

Steven Universe is really interesting to me because the fandom became more insufferable alongside the show's gradual writing deterioration over time.

1st season = relatively chill, fandom & writing make it fun to watch
2nd season: still cool, starting to crack though w/Keystone Motel/suicide-baity bullshit
Season 3: mild, watch the fandom though...
Season 4, 5: *holy shit, what happened?!*

Now it's hit that unique sweet spot where *both the fandom and the hatedom are irritating fuckwads, please go away.*

@gghhghhghgh gghhghhghgh thats pretty reasonable

@gghhghhghgh gghhghhghgh thats pretty reasonable

The important thing about JoJo fans to me is that they don't really think JoJo is well-written or anything. Unlike fans of Undertale, Steven Universe, or Rick and Morty, JoJo fans are never pretentious and don't ascribe any deeper meaning to the show other than that it's fun and memorable. I can see why people would find them annoying, but the fact that they don't talk down to anyone puts them above the "worst of the worst" fandoms in my opinion.

@George Liquor As a fan of JoJo, i can confidently say the shows quality is overexagerrated for the sake of comedy. I've never met a jojo fan who actually says it is the greatest show in existence unironically.

On that note, watch the show before i shatter your kneecaps

@confused well I never said they were that bad (I didn't know SU fans did that, very bad 0/10)

But yeah, the main problem with jojofans it's that they start leaking precum and saliva every time someone mentions something slightly related to JoJo

@George Liquor I mean it's pretty good, but a lot of people in this side of the planet think it's the best because it's the most adapted to western tastes since its very conception, I can see why

@confused The problem is that everyone knows how bad SU is. Everyone seems to love and even reference Jojo all the time. People will defend Jojo like its God's favorite anime.

@confused The problem is that everyone knows how bad SU is. Everyone seems to love and even reference Jojo all the time. People will defend Jojo like its God's favorite anime.

@Leonardo I disagree. JoJo fans dont go around doxxing people or sending artists death threats just because that person didnt like some romantic relationship or that artist "drew a character wrong" (at least to my knowledge).

The hate against jojo fans, i would say, is a bit exagerrated. At worst we're just annoying, spamming memes and diluting the meaning of inside jokes. Pretty bad, sure, but its no where near the garbage fire that steven universe and undertales fandoms is/was.

the fandom is terrible bc they became devoted to the show during the 1st and half of the 2nd season (when it was Good) and stayed that devoted even when the show got worse and worse—art and story wise—and ended by. making you sympathize with literal space dictators.........that had a human zoo.......in which all the humans were brown.......not a good look

Thomas the tank engine fandom would like to have a word

Thomas the tank engine fandom would like to have a word

Aumima Mimadino I mean you’re really only going to see fanfic if you go searching for it . . . Why criticize a show over something that’s easy to avoid 😂

Aumima Mimadino I mean you’re really only going to see fanfic if you go searching for it . . . Why criticize a show over something that’s easy to avoid 😂

Didn't SU fanboys drive a guy to suicide?

Didn't SU fanboys drive a guy to suicide?

I think we could say every fandom kill the original work. It's sad but showing to much love and fantism to any piece of work or artist is the best way to hurt it. Great vid btw, detailed analysis

I think we could say every fandom kill the original work. It's sad but showing to much love and fantism to any piece of work or artist is the best way to hurt it. Great vid btw, detailed analysis

Basically every single fandom with certain enough members and a certain age-group, 13-40~

Basically every single fandom with certain enough members and a certain age-group, 13-40~

@Aumima Mimadino
UTs fanbase was an absolute Dumpster fire for a good while, but I'd say both it's fanbase and reputation have mostly recovered.

A large number of the toxic fans were trend followers who have moved on to other things, and a lot of the cringy younger fans grew up and came to their senses.

Nowdays the fandom is mostly chill, and I've seen lots of people return to it and giving it praise again.
So I'd say it wasn't beyond repair.

SU definitely has one of the worst fanbases ever, but it's infamous reputation isn't just on them.

Sometime around season 4 all of the show's flaws started growing larger and larger until all aspects of the show devolved to the point that "Change your mind" happened.

I'd say it's reputation is thanks both to its toxic fanbase and the writing of the show itself imploding.

@Aumima Mimadino which is a goddamn shame. I still hold the opinion that Undertale is a masterpiece, but saying that outloud will probably get me to hell on earth

@Aumima Mimadino which is a goddamn shame. I still hold the opinion that Undertale is a masterpiece, but saying that outloud will probably get me to hell on earth

Yes, it's called JoJo's Bizarre Adventure

Yes, it's called JoJo's Bizarre Adventure


I avoided this show for years because of the fandom. I just watched it one month ago. It's pretty good


13:10 That's basically how I approach everything. I feel like it might be a copout for the difficulty that comes with introspection and challenging your beliefs, but sometimes I really hit that dead-end where it's more like "So what, you dissected it and exposed it. It's still society and you're still part of it. Go play."


As much as I love this show it's obvious that they're making it up as they go. The reason Rick became this smartest man in the universe is because that was season 3s thing


Well, it's September 2021, Rick And Morty just aired Season 5 finale, and I must say.....Season 5 has become the best season of this show for me since Season 2. I loved it, because I felt as if they returned to form, and finale destroyed the system (in a good way). Can't wait for Season 6. As for a Fandom...I really don't give a s@#$ about them. They won't change my mind about this show, and I'll keep watching it and giving each Season my honest opionion instead of shuting down whole show just because of mind-set: FANDOM-BAD = SERIES-BAD. I won't do that ever.

@premier1975 Agreed, but have trouble decide between this one, Rick & Morty's Thanksploitation Spectactular and Rickmurai Jack, because in my opinion they are also amazing

Agree my friend 😁. Despite C-137 Rick was somewhat nerfed at Season 5, but i can understand why because it was as a part of his character development especially he become more kinder toward Morty because he don't want become just like the other Ricks


What's funny is that Emp turns himself into a Lemon.

He's called EmpLemon. Funniest stuff I've ever seen

@ChryI Momo kyun sword. All about peaches

@Wyllowisp No, that meme isn't done by the bad part of the fandom, it is done by the people making fun of that fandom, and is also in spite of the show itself. The meme is sarcastically saying that pickle rick isn't funny.

There's a point where being ironic about something doesn't even matter anymore. You're doing the same thing that fandoms are criticized about. Using copypasta to make fun of a fandom or an idea becomes it's own copypasta, it's basically making fun of people for something you're are actually doing right now.

@ChryI So this guy gets put inside a peach. Funniest shit I've ever seen

Have you heard about this Trump guy? People have been talking about him becoming a peach for over two years now. Imagine some guy being put inside a peach.

Flip the lemon Mumkey

I turned myself into a lemon Mumkey. I'm Lemon Emp.


I hear compelling a lot in this video and I think it’s worthy to note that rick and morty creators don’t always want to make a compelling story. There’s multiple cases of rick and morty excusing reasons to go in depth about their backstory or understand what there is in their universe, because it ruins what makes the show fun. If you know everything about how things work in the show then there’s no reason to explain what shit is, and it wouldn’t make sense for the smartest man in the universe to never explain shit to you. plus I personally appreciate the inconsistency of growth in this series because I think it shows reality instead of what you want, it would feel great to watch them all become good people, but it’d also ruin the whole “dysfunctional family” dynamic. Rick and Morty is better when you don’t try to break everything down, because not everything has an answer or reason why.


I feel as though it’s really fitting that the show’s last great episode ended with a song from an album literally called “The Downward Spiral”.


If you think egomaniac Dan Harmon seriously allowed the fandom's opinions to "make the show more nihilist" you know nothing about him


Ignoring the fandom, I honestly just don't think Rick and Morty had enough of a foundation to be great for too long. Eventually something starts to show its cracks, and you either end or you hit a downward spiral.

This is evident in basically every show that doesn't end at its prime. Basically any series people will usually argue the later parts aren't as good as the early or mid parts.

Some shows can thrive on that for a bit and have their best moments mid way (e.g It's Always Sunny or Simpsons if you count the first 10 seasons as a different era).

But even shows like South Park that have defied expectations and still create all time classics 20+ years in, most fans will agree it hasn't been as consistently good as it was back in the day with a lot more dud episodes now.

I think Rick and Morty had a formula that wasn't built to last even as long as those shows. It's too irreverent and hyperbolic and based on a popular ideologies of when it released and internet type humor.

It did hit its peak when they injected some heart into the series but I don't believe the show was created with much of that intent. I don't even think the writers had any plans on how to pay off these plot points and character beats.

Comparing it to Futurama (like Emp says is its most similar forebearer), one of the biggest series plot twists was written into the first episode and you can see clues there. That helped it maintain some brilliance in the revival run bc the writers wrote aspects with longevity in mind.

And that's how you end up with episodes like Pickle Rick. The basic extreme of everything the show is. Rick at his most Rick and the ending spoonfeeding you the heart and message.

And all they could do from there is just keep going with that extreme. Because imo at least it wasn't built to be more than zany Sci Fi adventures with some family drama to ground but the show keeps getting renewed.

And even in the recent 5th season they seem to be trying to go back to a less omnipotent Rick and build out the universe and family drama more, which I appreciate, but it kind of just feels sudden and unearned.

They'll still come out with a great episode periodically but the ice on the lake that is R&M began to crack quickly when it kept going past its fresh new ideas and while there are still solid patches you can stand on it's much easier to see where you'd fall in.

Ignoring the fandom, I honestly just don't think Rick and Morty had enough of a foundation to be great for too long. Eventually something starts to show its cracks, and you either end or you hit a *downward spiral.*

This is evident in basically every show that doesn't end at its prime. Basically any series people will usually argue the later parts aren't as good as the early or mid parts.

Some shows can thrive on that for a bit and have their best moments mid way (e.g It's Always Sunny or Simpsons if you count the first 10 seasons as a different era).

But even shows like South Park that have defied expectations and still create all time classics 20+ years in, most fans will agree it hasn't been as consistently good as it was back in the day with a lot more dud episodes now.

I think Rick and Morty had a formula that wasn't built to last even as long as those shows. It's too irreverent and hyperbolic and based on a popular ideologies of when it released and internet type humor.

It did hit its peak when they injected some heart into the series but I don't believe the show was created with much of that intent. I don't even think the writers had any plans on how to pay off these plot points and character beats.

Comparing it to Futurama (like Emp says is its most similar forebearer), one of the biggest series plot twists was written into the first episode and you can see clues there. That helped it maintain some brilliance in the revival run bc the writers wrote aspects with longevity in mind.

And that's how you end up with episodes like Pickle Rick. The basic extreme of everything the show is. Rick at his most Rick and the ending spoonfeeding you the heart and message.

And all they could do from there is just keep going with that extreme. Because imo at least it wasn't built to be more than zany Sci Fi adventures with some family drama to ground but the show keeps getting renewed.

And even in the recent 5th season they seem to be trying to go back to a less omnipotent Rick and build out the universe and family drama more, which I appreciate, but it kind of just feels sudden and unearned.

They'll still come out with a great episode periodically but the ice on the lake that is R&M began to crack quickly when it kept going past its fresh new ideas and while there are still solid patches you can stand on it's much easier to see where you'd fall in.

It had enough foundation to be great for longer than 2 seasons but it wasn't. Because they changed the foundation to one with more cracks. And then a show should obviously know when to end aswell.


"Pickle Rick won this show an Emmy"<br>I felt violently ill after hearing that

"Pickle Rick won this show an Emmy"
I felt violently ill after hearing that

@uncensored008 no joke, The ricklantis mixup IMO is the best episode of the series. I don't hate the pickle rick episode, I see it as a funny lets be crazy episode and thats great but not something that is amazing by any means.

@Zakk Cooke nobody:... You: The Rickshank Redemption is my favorite episode imo

@Zakk Cooke was one of the best action episodes .. no cap

Ricklantius mixup was great, but you can't sleep on Pickle Rick. It gave a big bad punch on the face of fans who think they're Rick(referringto the therapist scene)

@uncensored008 Damn. It should've been The Ricklantis Mixup.

How that fucking episode got nominated over The Ricklantis Mixup and somehow won is beyond me


I loved the 2nd half of S4 and the 1st ep of S5. I really really hope whatever they’re doing, they keep doing it


EmpLemon: the show is not about nihilism it’s about family

Also EmpLemon:  The show became bad because it’s about nihilism


i love how all these people are like "you dont get the smart people jokes" and im like "nah youre just over complicating a funny show that isnt always funny"


I watch the show because of that one time when he turned himself into a pickle, funniest shit I’ve ever seen.


I feel like the talking cat who kept telling jerry not to ask questions and just enjoy life was a direct message to theorists like matpat

It took me a second to realize this wasn't about Tom and jerry

Matpat tried to dig in to it and his conclusion was that we weren't supposed to dig in to it

@Kastral Dan Harmon does, but I can see Justin Roiland making fun of them. Dan Harmon is a big proponent of serialized drama, and Justin Roiland just wants fun episodic adventures.

Definitely not true. MattPat had Dan Harmon on his show before. And Dan said he enjoys his theories.

“I find the insinuation that I can’t have fun and ask questions condescending.” Clearly it wasn’t.

@John Nirtamo you must have never done acid then

Yea I remember seeing a thread where someone asked about what they saw in the memory thing and people started chiming in that to try and theorize about what the cat did is to ruin the whole point of it, and that the plot thread isn't meant to go anywhere.

But in the same episode, he asks, "So no one's asking how I can talk?" So it isn't trying to say theories are bad but rather that theorizing everything in a show is bad

Veritassium mentioned ot in a video about patterns

@Cult Python like the scientists that discovered the exact same crystal in different parts of the world (mayne time crystals or non repeating patters idk anymore)

It's kind of Matpats job to make theories of what's popular. It's pretty much his whole youtube career.

I hope not
Shows like Rick and Morty are bound to have theories thanks to the way they are written
To say not to think about it too much ruins one of the main cores of the show
The whole don't worry about it thing cause the picked Rick episode (memes aside) to be hated by pretty much everyone

@Xiprus724 im not sure if thats good or bad luck at this point

for me, directly parallel to this comment, in the suggested videos column, is the video matpat made theorizing about the cat.

@John Nirtamo it's actually extremely common for groups of people to have the same thoughts, especially at the same time too. Theirs a whole phenomenon called "multiple discovery" that is all about two different people in two different places having the same idea and/or thought.

@John Nirtamo like i said, i dont watch matpats videos

@Maanav Sikaria  i havent watched most of his videos, theres over 7 billion people in the world is it that hard to think that two of them had the same thought

Thanks that's clearly an original thought. It isn't like matpat said that outright in one of his videos.


Season 5 was pretty much nail in the coffin. I've understood they're making season 6, but I'm quite sure after that it's pretty much a dead horse for adult swim. Thankfully we have more Smiling Friends coming up in the future.


well its nice to see how with the season 5 the show returns on the path of family drama


Can a fandom ruin the reputation of a show? MHA and RWBY would say so.


I've almost never solely view it from this lens, and it made alot of sense. I've always knew something was off about season 3 and that the fandom/popularity had influenced it to some degree but never knew hor or what specifically, until now tho because your points were totally spot on! It's interesting because this season Rick is a stark contrast to season 3. No longer omnipotent if not just as vulnerable as any other characters, and it's a season with more family drama involved although i don't think just because there is more family drama makes it a really great show, the balance in season 1 and 2 may not be properly replicated ever but at least season 5 has Abit more weight to it, relative to season 3 and alot more experimental. I'm glad that the writers are doing more of what they want rather than to specifically cater on the fandoms. Hopefully if the show ever blow up again, they won't repeat the same mistake they did for season 3


I understand the criticism of season 3, but I think the aimlessness was supposed to represent the effect of Rick on the family. Without the grounded, familiar input of Jerry, the family started to enter a downward spiral of becoming like Rick, and therefore most if not all consequences or meanings were devalued. Other theorists have said this before, but here are the general points of each season. S1: The family gets to know Rick. S2: The family and audience get to know Rick on a deeper level. S3: Rick toxifies the family. S4: The family learns and begins to become independent from Rick. I think everything that happened in season 3 was necessary for the audience to realize just how much influence Rick has on the family dynamic (the main narrative of the show), especially without Jerry. Season four was then the family realizing how unhealthy they are acting and rising above Rick's nihilism, finding purpose in things other than Rick. And I think a big part of that was Jerry. In 4x9 this change is illustrated perfectly. Rick and his daughter build a society of his "children" where nothing matters, and people are just valued on intelligence. Meanwhile, Jerry finds his own meanings and reasons for why things matter, shown through camping, and eventually gets God power, the power of "faith" if you will. Eventually, the two sides come in confrontation, and Rick is defeated by God only for the kids to kill God anyway, who themselves end up learning from their mistakes in the process. They realize that not caring about anything and being overconfident about their intelligence almost got them killed, and killed God in the process, basically symbolizing how nihilistic intelligence is the killer of faith and meaning. And yet, even as intelligence conquers God, God's corpse still crushes Rick's meaningless society.

This is a pretty accurate summary. I enjoyed reading this.

Someone who actually understand what they watch.

@Nahuel Ahpa you say that we're doing the writers jobs but at the same time youre saying the writers are giving us too much to work with? What?

@Nahuel Ahpa yeah youre throwing around "sucks" and "trash" yet you have given zero examples of anything

@El Dexo not serious, just stating the facts, but it does suck how a show that was so good all of the sudden becomes so bad, is simpsons syndrome all over again

@Shannax The fans who read so much into something that they see meaning that is simply not there are some of the worst kinds of fans. Season 3 sucked for the most part, season 4 was trash, there is no way around it. <br>Yes, there is a story arc in the show, but is irrelevant given the drop in quality the writing has suffered. Every episode sucks now so it does not matter the story the "big picture" is telling because there is nothing left in to show for the audience to cling to.

@Shannax The fans who read so much into something that they see meaning that is simply not there are some of the worst kinds of fans. Season 3 sucked for the most part, season 4 was trash, there is no way around it.
Yes, there is a story arc in the show, but is irrelevant given the drop in quality the writing has suffered. Every episode sucks now so it does not matter the story the "big picture" is telling because there is nothing left in to show for the audience to cling to.

@Mongo Bongo honestly i only remember three episodes, the toilet one, the dragon one and "you son of a bitch, im in!" Episode. I remember them more so because of how absurdist and off the wall they were. "Bad" probably isnt the right word to describe it. I just didnt think it was anything good. And the fact that i can hardly remember any of the season is telling of that.

@Huck Mart I thought it was a well written season, what episode turned you off?

i mean that’s a cool idea, but it’s not worth sacrificing the quality of the show for

Unfortunately the writing in season 4 was so bad that i didnt have the patience to finish it. Although i like your analysis of it and i could see the direction they were going after season 3 which seemed to solidify jerry as ricks ultimate foil.

I was about to type something along these lines, but you are put it in waaaaaayy better way than I could ever think of

@Nahuel Ahpa
Do they need to spell it out for you.
They did it multiple times yet here you are asking for a more simple ass explanation.

Futurama is overrated and it's not better than Rick and Morty

Holy shit. God tier comment right there.

That's actually a really good insight into it.

@Nahuel Ahpa hes not doing anyones job, would you rather the show to blatantly tell you the reason behind every story decision themselves? Show dont tell, remember

Enrico Pucci Pretty good summary all in all. Season 5 may be Rick having to undergo his own personal changes to figure out who he wants to be, and facing his problems more directly. He can’t just rely on the family thinking he’s amazing, he needs to find his purpose


I get why emp shied away from the topic, but the staff changes in my opinion were the sole reason the show went downhill. We see it time and time again but people don’t call it like it is because they fear backlash, but the moment Dan went on a woke crusade and hired based on checking boxes for “diversity”, everything went into the ground. It’s a very simple concept really, if you hire based on qualifications and skill, you will do good and have good results. If you hire based on physical traits for woke points, you will go down, because you aren’t hiring people for their skill or ability, you’re hiring because they’re black, or trans or gay or whatever is popular today. And I know some are gonna jump on this and use their 3 brain cells to attack this claim like “oh so you think black/trans/queer people can’t write good?”, to which I disagree. There’s plenty in these communities that are skilled creators, but there’s also some that aren’t, and if you have a pool of 3 people, 2 of them being average white artists with a wealth of experience, the last one a black trans artist with less than one year experience, it’s clear to see where the better choice is, and that choice isn’t based on the personal traits of the candidate but their work experience, and people always ignore this and claim they were not chosen because they were black or trans or whatever. I wish people could use logic and see this conundrum for what it is but we don’t live in times like that anymore everything is based on filling a quota now instead of focusing on quality, and these companies aren’t going to grow or learn anything until they stop acting on behalf of being woke and appeasing people. It’s like the saying goes:

Get woke, go broke


To me this is a show that makes me laugh and sometimes feel. I’m cool with that. Also great video as always


I personally feel the show has never declined in quality.


Most people who call themselves nihilists cite works written by people who were trying to warn others not to think that way.

@Primo it’s the edge lord version lol. Falling for insanity isn’t chad it’s just being weak and lying to yourself.

@W0Y4K absurdism is the chad version of nihilism

they thought they were Ricks. But they are all Jerry-s

"I dont give them a copy of Cather And The Rye and explain why Holden Claufield is such an intellectual. Well, he WASN'T an intellectual, he was a spoiled brat!" -Quagmire (family guy)

@Simon Petrikov 39 so you take a tide pod–

@3kojimbles how would you return to the universe's natural state?

@Nick the Pick But they are doing that. The family is stronger than ever and Rick could just fuck off if he didn't really want to be a part of the new law. But he doesn't, he continues to roll with the punches because deep down I think he understand that the only thing that makes any sense in this universe, is what close relations you can keep and nurture. They are making their universe a better one. If everybody did the same, the whole would be even better than the sum of its parts. But we all keep waiting for a heavenly Rick to come from up high, be the skies, politics or corporate, to sort shit out for us. In a way that doesn't require us to change too much about ourselves and isn't too painful.

I cite myself, then say be an optimistic nilalist. I mean, life is, for me at least, peaceful. If there is more to life after death, that would be nice, but its fine to just pass away into nothing.

well, to be fair, they’re not only self appointed nihilists, but nihilists, what did you expect them to do?

There is no god. These youtube comments killed her.

all these fake nihilists unwilling to either  return to the universe's natural state or accept things with no intrinsic value and  live as if they do

@GTAmaniac Nietzche's Thus Spoke Zarathustra really hones in on this point. It's essentially about a man who can no longer understand society after spending time alone on a mountain and coming to the conclusion that God doesn't exist, although we do have to recognise that although Nietzche based a fair amount of his work on Kant and his views (although he is mainly in opposition) the Gay Science's views on nihilism are often in line with the more 'edgy' modern-day views we see today.

Anyways, thank you for providing a view on Nietzche that isn't completely based on the fact that he wrote Beyond Good & Evil and that's the only thing anyone actually bothers to read.

It’s a whole clusterfuck of opinions up in here

I'm going to quote you and say I'm a nihilist for the ironic value

@Kreiser_VII  Nietzsche was mostly concentrated on being against the church and its obsession of subjugating mankind to an imaginary friend and as such wasting their lives because according to him every living being desires power and giving it to a figment of someone's imagination was just madness. And no, I didn't read Nietzsche, he was the subject of a couple of my philosophy classes so i know the tl;dr.

@Mumkey Maan Well, the show doesn't focus on that aspect enough. And I'm well aware that the show is about not making the universe a better place. Nor do I care. And in my opinion, the entire family aside from Rick, is equally as awful. The only reason I'm here is because someone recommended me this video.

@Nick the Pick thats not what the message of the show is at all. Its not about "making the universe a better place", its about valuing the things and people in your life (ie family) even if they have no intrinsic value in themselves (in other words dont be a Rick and just run away)

@Slender Man 186 Okay, I like that. The problem is, Rick and Morty(The show) doesn't go forward with this idea to make the universe a better place. It's awful for the sake of being awful, and that's what makes it bad.

@Nick the Pick also the Rick and Morty view, “while it is true that nothing matters, that reality gets you no where.”

@Bender Bending Rodriguez Okay, thanks for clearing that up. But, then again, everything in life happens for a reason. Intentionally or not.

@Nick the Pick nihilism is the fact that nothing has any objective meaning because meaning is subjective it’s not wrong

This is why I embrace absurdism much more than nihilism. Absurdism is like nihilism without becoming an edgelord.

@Anthony That is also true. Sorry, what I meant was that shows like Bojack show why Nihlisim is wrong, and that you should do something about it rather than just do nothing.

@Nick the Pick not inherently u can take a Bojack lens on Nihilism where nothing matters objectively but that doesn’t mean one should sit around and complain ab it all day do what u can with what u have regardless of weather there’s inherent meaning in the universe

What people need to understand is that Nihilism is WRONG and only leads to stagnation.

To quote SFO: "When you got two people who based their actions on Nietzsche, and end up causing catastrophic atrocities on humanity, while constantly misinterpreting his message, you know you got someone's who's pretty tough to read", which leads to the more common quote: "People don't read Nietzsche, they read quotations of him and find them to be cool".


Great video, I love your channel. I disagree when you say enjoying content and being in the fandom go hand and hand. I enjoy a lot of media but I'm not part of any fandom. I still  enjoy them.


This video is absolutely amazing, because I come across arrogent fools who constantly talk about how the warp drive is way more complex and deep then anything written off of human flaws, and if you disagree then you're a "simpleton". Reading in between the lines is way smarter then understanding a warp drive, remember that.


Season 5 is looking good so far, we can only hope season 5 can match the classics of seasons 1 and 2.

@Shiny Guy The Incel energy is strong with you. Honestly who gives a shit, they make a few tasteful references and a few jokes about that kind of stuff and then quickly move on. You're allowed to not like them but to say it ruins the show as a whole is stupid. And it most definitely is an opinion.

@Shiny Guy but i did reply, look im just not gonna argue against your opinion(i know you think its fact but saying a show went woke and emotional is mosty opinion) on a show cause thats kinda pointless

@Twoozy Uzi I dont agree to disagree, i agree you cant argue fact with subjection.

@Shiny Guy ah, this is not what i hoped for. Agree to disagree

@Twoozy Uzi I mean a female mindset is now in the show and thats why they went all emotional and woke. I hate the new show. The first two seasons are like the first three seasons of sponge bob. Only ones worth the title.

@Shiny Guy true, adding anyone new does causes change and a bit of limbo(its like any group, its kinda weird to just add 3 new people in the middle of nowhere)but its been a while and the writers have probably settled now so lets just see if its a good or bad change

Doubtful with female writters. the dynamic is gone forever.


Rick became the smartest man in the universe after he began watching Rick and Morty

Or after he began looking at the front page of Reddit


For what it's worth in its golden years Rick and Morty was legitimacy a gateway to philosophical concepts I didn't know who Friedrich Nietzsche was till the show started to get discussed. Something family guy and all that never really did. Now part of me absolutely died when you played those clips of Rick referencing Reddit and events like Gamergate like that stuff even matters given the philosophical concepts the earlier episodes brought for better or worse.  The comedy of referencing a thing for the sake of audience response is what absolutely kills me with movies, hell Fortnite showed up in Endgame. it's so wince-worthy and dates a piece of media.

@Mcheetah I don't understand why you put so much trust in male comedy writers purely on the basis of being male.

I actually didn't mind seeing Thor playing Fortnite since it was relevant to his downward spiral within the film's narrative.

@Mcheetah I think so too. I don't like how emplemon  deflects the blame from the diversity hires. A show never gets better when writers are added to "balance things out".

I just got some serious deja vu reading this commment

The fuck?
You really got educated on some of the most basic Philosophers in existence? He's right next to Plato literally if you look him up on wikipedia, now thats not to say he's a bad philosopher or anything but he's extremely misunderstood especially by the type of cynicism that the writers of Rick and Morty ploy when trying to be nihilistic and edgy.
Don't think or pretend that theres any difference between Rick talking about reddit or gamergate and Rick name dropping quantum physics, Schrodinger cat or Nietzsche they're both the same pop culture surface level references to get fans excited because "oh he said thing I know that thing yay!"

Don’t let these likes get to your head, this comment reeks of reddit brain and cringe faux intelligence

To be fair you do need a very high IQ to understand Rick and Morty

So Rick and Morty is "philosophy" for guys who never heard of Fredrick Nietzsche?

Sounds about right.

I looked at your channel and you seem to make mediocre commentary style videos. I hope you aren't just saying you learned about Nietzsche a bit and stopped and that you kept looking at other continental philosophy.

Majin Melon <br>bro this comment doesnt even make any sense wtf are u talking about

Majin Melon
bro this comment doesnt even make any sense wtf are u talking about


Lmao Pickle Rick's therapy scenes are some of the best. Apparently confronting characters directly, when their issues are destroying everybody around them is a no-no screenwriting rule. No-no rule!

@Dancing Israeli "Watching rick get absolutely BTFO by some regular human was cathartic" i agree, i also think that was the reason why some of those people didn't like that; it was a scene that completely undermined their idolization of Rick


I had always been a pretty big Adult Swim fan, from the beginning i was watching and have always appreciated the AS lore, and history. I was pretty annoyed by Rick and Morty turning it so mainstream that i refused to watch it until recently, ive enjoyed it but it just never felt like an AS show... just not abstract enough


Hey Emp, I've been watching your videos and I think they're pretty good. Even the rant ones.


Honestly had forgotten how annoying the fandom used to be thank god it I guess doesn't exist anymore but season 5 was great


remember: those that idolize rick are missing the point. Just because our lives won't matter millions of years from now that doesn't mean that we can't work to improve the lives of our friends and family in the now. I do my damndest to help my sister raise my Nephew because I care about the two of them deeply, and I want my nephew to have a healthy upbringing that will net him a better adulthood later in life. If someone were to tell me my efforts were a waste and that my nephew wouldn't matter in a million years I'd punch them in the mouth and say 'it may not matter then, but it matters now' and that statement would invalidate their whole sentiment

@Jack Dunlevy Nah bro ima hang out with my one and only Wodan.

God is the point, the answer is there, do some research, death is only the beginning.

But, if it doesn't matter in a million years, why the hell does it matter now?

For example, what would be the point of having fun, going to parties, doing fun stuff with friends, if, for example, you have an accident that erases your memory, and you knew it would happen? What's the point of learning something, if you forget it? it would've literally wasted your time.

Nothing matters, that's a fact, but that doesn't mean you can just make people unhappy.

Way simpler answer is: You are alive today, not in a million years. Why should you care what the world is like in a million years when you only live to 80-90? You should try to make the best out of your 80-90 years on this earth.

@Kirb The Legend the point is the now<br> For us humans the now  is really All we have. Making the now matter to you and others is important. You make your own value

@Kirb The Legend the point is the now
 For us humans the now  is really All we have. Making the now matter to you and others is important. You make your own value

But does it really matter now? I mean we’re all gonna die eventually and our efforts won’t have really mattered, sure it might matter a bit now now but fast forward a hundred years and you’re just a memory if even. If you did or didn’t do that the fate for all of us remains the same, and thats death.

@Daryl Zambrana I think Pixar's <i>Souls</i> does this better about the life purpose because your purpose of life is to live for the better and appreciate that you are already exist, just to live. It's a nice message.

@Daryl Zambrana I think Pixar's _Souls_ does this better about the life purpose because your purpose of life is to live for the better and appreciate that you are already exist, just to live. It's a nice message.

Good for you, uncle. Hopefully your nephew is going to grow up to be the better person.

I think the apathy should the red flag.

You could make the point without virtue signaling and pretending to be anywhere near tough but I agree little man

And you know...you're right. You are absolutely right. And I respect you for it. :)

I recognize the pointlessness of life, however that’s at an objective/general level. Is the universe indifferent towards my existence and actions? Most definitely.  Is life pointless? Maybe, but ultimately, it’s not up to me to decide that for others. If people find life pointless, is because they haven’t defined their own purpose and are hoping there’s an objective reasoning as to why they are alive. Defining your purpose in life is completely subjective and no one can give you an answer to it except yourself.

As Ghandi (or someone else) put it "Whatever we do in life is unimportant, however, it is important that we do it.

This philosophical belief is absurdism. If shit doesn't matter, give it your own meaning! Love people and live your life to the fullest because it is your life.  That is the core response to Nihilism.

@Nicholas Dante yes of course, and sirinterweb literally said that. you're on the same page. but also, enjoy yourself! you only have your childhood, then your youth, then your middle age. enjoy it

Life is full of suffering, and if you think of life as meaningless then your suffering will be in vain

Actually it does, because If yoy didn't take the time to raise your kid well, then will grow up as a fucked up individual, and will use what they know to raise their kids and then those kids will grow up to be fucked up individuals. What you teach them now is what they'll teach their kids in the future.  It's a butterfly effect. One small butterfly flap can create a burst of wind on the other side of earth.

@Basi Wolf doesn’t fucking matter it won’t.

4chan ripping on a show for silly, nonsensical, edgy and irreverent humour is peak irony.

I agree with you wholeheartedly, cynical people like that annoy me.


Your production value never ceases to amaze me! Fantastic visuals


I’ve been saying this for a while. The show is fine, it’s just has a horrifyingly insane fanbase

Same with Tool, love their music, absolutely hate their fandom

I love the show but the fans are something else


I’m a HUGE Rick and morty fan but I hate the other fans so much. I believe season 3 was the worst but season five looks pretty good so far. The mr. nimbus episode looks like they might further the story a lot more


thank you for finally letting me focus on why I hated S3 so much, why it felt so bland and inconsistent, and why I only liked 3 episodes of it. On the flip side, S5 was pretty good


Everyone wants to think that they are Rick... but in reality, they’re actually Jerry

I think I’m a Beth but I think that might be worse than being a Jerry 😒

@Piano Fry correct, though there is a character who you would want to strive for,its called NONE OF THEM

Whoever says they are just like Rick....stay far away from them-

Amazing irony rick is the most human character in the series. Ppl identify with his flaws. Ppl dont see them as an hyper intellectual. Just ppl

@Stoned Viking i mean tbh some of the deserve it

That would make a great episode. Jerry starts mimicking Rick and starts thinking he's just as intelligent as Rick because he acts like him so him must think like him too. Rick goes along with it till Jerry starts saying he's smarter then Rick. Rick goes off on him in a way that is like he's telling off the fans who think that way.

@革命Ascott guess you really are more like rick. Just not that smart.

The majority of the folks that I've met are more like Summer.<br>You know the drill.

The majority of the folks that I've met are more like Summer.
You know the drill.

@革命Ascott if I can cry on camera will you subscribe?

and, thats a good thing. This show makes it clear that between Rick and Jerry its Jerry that has the more well rounded life, yes he still  has problems (who doesn't) but out of the two of them he is the closest one to being, happy.

Now a lot of people might jump to the "well happiness is bliss, ricks just miserable due to his curse to be smarter than everyone else" thats the reason rick would give for himself as well however this show, SHOWS how that's not the case. that a lot of it has to do with him just being a total jerk to almost everyone he meets.

the thing is, at the end, Jerry is actually the best character, the only ones that get it, and in  Rick words, the one that won

I don't think anyone should want to be like Rick. The reason the fandom sucks is because most of them love Rick and aspire to be like him.

Nah, many think they are like Rick because they think he's cool, and in reality they probably actually are like Rick, but similar in the ways they don't recognise.<br>Similar in his loneliness, depression, feelings of inadequacy and inferiority complex, nihilism, problems with social conduct and assholery to mention a few.

Nah, many think they are like Rick because they think he's cool, and in reality they probably actually are like Rick, but similar in the ways they don't recognise.
Similar in his loneliness, depression, feelings of inadequacy and inferiority complex, nihilism, problems with social conduct and assholery to mention a few.

ShanesSlothMunchies even if you're rick you realize you do want to be one and prefer to be a jerry or a morty instead

Took me awhile but I've decided I would rather be Jerry than Rick !!!

Only a Rick would say something like this

I think myself to be more of the little robot that only object is to pass the butter.

Yeah no I don’t want to be more miserable than I’m now

Isn't this comment a prime example of how the fandom is M.A.A.D. you really watched the whole video and didn't get the point of it

I don't understand why people think they want to be Rick. Both Rick and Jerry have traits that are good and bad but neither character is seen as something to strive for.


While I do agree in some reflections you make I have to say, season 3 was for me the best season except the last episode(where I completely agree with you), but I remember laughing and having so much fun at each episode(Especially Pickle Rick, I didn’t even know this episode could be hated) and there was some good reflections on the episodes(How Rick fake memories realizes how solitary it is to be a “Rick”/ How Rick puts the message to Summer get out of the room when she wakes both him and Morty) and even if I thought the first half of season four was weak, I genuinely adored the second half(Especially Morty save points episode).


20:25 OH MY GOD i just realized something.

looking back at this, after the season 5 finale... it could be possible that somewhere around that time, rick created the central finite curve.
"somewhere along the way, rick transformed from the flawed scientist into the smartest man in the universe"
"the show only starts calling rick this in season 3"

i wonder if the creators had the curve in mind back then. if so, that redeems the weird writing back then for me.
also, they confirmed that the "made up backstory" rick "only used to escape prison" was actually real.

either its a big coincidence, they watched this video - or its just genius.

20:25 *OH MY GOD* i just realized something.

looking back at this, after the season 5 finale... it could be possible that somewhere around that time, rick created the central finite curve.
"somewhere along the way, rick transformed from the flawed scientist into the smartest man in the universe"
"the show only starts calling rick this in season 3"

i wonder if the creators had the curve in mind back then. if so, that redeems the weird writing back then for me.
also, they confirmed that the "made up backstory" rick "only used to escape prison" was actually real.

either its a big coincidence, they watched this video - or its just genius.


I’m a person who loves Rick & Morty for all the aspects of the show you listed for why someone would love Rick & Morty. I genuinely think it’s one of the best tv-shows ever made, and not just animated, but of all tv-shows ever. Very much in the same way that I love It’s Always Sunny. Which funnily enough are very similar in tone and cynicism, and rooted in the fact that they both Anti-Sitcoms. Only difference is one’s  live action and based in the real world, an absurd  filled with absurd people doing absurd stuff never learning a lesson or moral of any situation while the other is animated and based in an extremely complex sci-fi meta-universe where literally anything could happen and will always catch subvert expectation though sometime will do the “expected” but only ironically. Never in earnest, since the driving force of the how and why shit happens is a nihilistic asshole and sociopath with a God-complex and death wish motivated by suicidal tendencies rather than just recklessness.


Looks like Rick and Morty is finally back to the old style with Season 5 and I couldnt be more happy about it


I kid you not, he turns himself into a lemon. He calls himself “EmpLemon” Funniest shit I’ve ever seen.

@Aspen72 oh my bad, i got a notification that you replied to me. have a nice day

@Noor :] i think you misunderstood me, i was replying to the og comment not the female writers one

@Aspen72 you replied to a comment of me saying I hope its a reference I don't get because the comment I was referring to said the comedy is going downhill because of all the female writers, and you said 'no way how'

@Aspen72 how what? it’s blatant misogyny

@Noor :] see Olaedo_007's comment above
i.e. Yes. it is blatant misogyny

@Noor :] see Olaedo_007's comment above
i.e. *Yes.* it is blatant misogyny

@bum fricker I hope this a reference i don't get, not just blatant misogyny

Everyone wants to think that they are Rick... but in reality, they’re actually Jerry

Remember when he's mostly known for YTPs instead of videos like this? What a turn of character indeed.

Teasila Nagaram plenty of evidence to support it.

@CherryCharris you know he was joking right? He was making fun of rick and Morty fans who said the show got worse because of it's female writers.

1memer i wish you a life full of blessings and may you have only daughters. :)

EmpLemon's wrong on this one. Rick and Morty is pretty bad. Its 'comedy' is terribly pretentious with Dan Harmon and Justin Roiland self inserting their weird fetishes.

Lads, 'e turned 'imself into a lemon!<br>Bloody funnny!

Lads, 'e turned 'imself into a lemon!
Bloody funnny!

Somebody call the e🅱ic police because this was the funniest shit I've ever seen

Lemon Lemon Lemon Lemon Eyy How the citrus levels going my brother

I prefer Season 2, when he was just "Emp".

Clearly this is a downward spiral because of all the women writers.


Yknow i absolutely loved this show when season two ended. I was in my freshman and sophmore year of college and me and my friends would watch and talk about how crazy and hilarious the latest episode was. I remember my jaw hitting the fucking ground and howling with laughter at how fucked up the king jellybean thing was. We'd never seen anything like it...

It was basically a year later and season 3 came with a bang after a long wait... and then the szechuan sauce happened. My local mcdonalds literally had to shut down for the day because of turnout and there were a couple of police cars in the parking lot. Then i saw.. that video... i was working in fast food at the time so i felt every ounce of that cashiers anguish.

 I wrote off the show and told myself i'll revisit it when everyone shuts the hell up about it. But now that its not so obnoxious? I might have to pickup from where i left off. Great vid lemon<3


I’ve watched a few recent Rick and Morty episodes and haven’t even cracked a smile much less let out a laugh. I seriously remember a time when I found the show rly funny. I dunno watch changed tbh.


I'm glad it's less about the family aspect. There are already wayyyy too many shows revolving around a family dynamic. One of the reasons I love Rick and Morty is because it's so different!


I always interpreted that capitalist rant with the toy train as a meta way of the show acknowledging that it had gone to shit, and I respect that. I think that the writers didn't have much of a choice, if the show doesn't please the audience then they don't have a job, etc, etc, etc,... and I felt like that was a sort of apology. Thanks to the long waits I think it'll go back to normal over time.


"Can a fandom be so insufferable that they damage their shows reputation beyond repair?"<br>kpop

"Can a fandom be so insufferable that they damage their shows reputation beyond repair?"
kpop

The miraculous ladybug fandom comes to mind.

The miraculous ladybug fandom comes to mind.

homestuck. imagine making the most ambitious and elaborate multimedia shitpost of all time and then having tumblr girls pick it up

@Akumati still haven’t seen really any significantly bad shit from undertale fans

@Akumati still haven’t seen really any significantly bad shit from undertale fans

I've listened to a few kpop songs that i like, i dont really care at all about the crazy shit that jimin stans say on twitter. I dont have a twitter.

@Poras Srivastava MCU/DC makes sense, but particularly the movies… silly…

@Poras Srivastava MCU/DC makes sense, but particularly the movies… silly…

@Poras Srivastava huh? what? some of the trashiest money grabs in history and the fans are snobs? LOL.

@Poras Srivastava huh? what? some of the trashiest money grabs in history and the fans are snobs? LOL.

Five Nights At Freddy's is another good example

Five Nights At Freddy's is another good example

@Kappu i think modern hermitcraft is still great and same with the hardcore games

@Kappu i think modern hermitcraft is still great and same with the hardcore games

@atroqui9nine mainly just for people who watch youtubers for dream smp technoblade is awesome outside of dream smp same thing with wilbur(i think the only other thing i know him for is his arg)  ranboo and lazarbeam

@Akumati honestly that was only a problem for the first 3 years now i see a couple fan projects a month and go hey thats cool

@A quite tired guy yeah. Some anime are fine.

@A quite tired guy yeah. Some anime are fine.

@hand cleaning soap i normally only do that on jojo videos now (a couple years ago i had a annoying af jojo phase)

@Gortalla remeber jjba wait actually no bnha is worse jjb is on the high end of the suckieness but still is better

@Gortalla remeber jjba wait actually no bnha is worse jjb is on the high end of the suckieness but still is better

@Weaboodo O some anime are fine (keep your hands off eizouken) (mob pyscho 100) (flcl) (cowboy beebop)

@Weaboodo O some anime are fine (keep your hands off eizouken) (mob pyscho 100) (flcl) (cowboy beebop)

Jjba and these exact words "if you dont want spoilers read the manga" the worst part is that not all the mangs has been translated

@Spencer Galland I'm a lil older than you but Naruto was the same thing

@Spencer Galland I'm a lil older than you but Naruto was the same thing

Kpop is literally manufactured in a board meeting

Kpop is literally manufactured in a board meeting

@Spencer Galland
Im curious.
If im scarred its your fault.

@Spencer Galland
Im curious.
If im scarred its your fault.

The answer to that question is one word...<br>Anime

The answer to that question is one word...
Anime

adventure time until finn ruined his love life in-show, and also around the time rebecca sugar left

adventure time until finn ruined his love life in-show, and also around the time rebecca sugar left

@Spencer Galland I like the show, then the first movie came out, I went to see it in my town. Couldnt hear the fucking movie over people yelling BEST GIRL or WORST GIRL in my ear. Fucks sake, this isnt rocky horror fucking picture show.

@Gortalla the fandom is trash but the show is still really mediocre

@Gortalla the fandom is trash but the show is still really mediocre

@Dankington mind explaining what they do? I've been put of the loop for a while and I'm shocked that they're bad

@Dankington mind explaining what they do? I've been put of the loop for a while and I'm shocked that they're bad

@Gortalla i felt this one, i got attacked by the entirity of twitter for preferring the manga designs of female characters and not liking how they get slimmed down into super models for the anime in some cases

literally every fandom ruins every show nowadays bro

literally every fandom ruins every show nowadays bro

@Balazs Docs I'm annoyed at how pedophile is synonymous with child molester when semantically those are two entirely different phrases, I'm not dismissing those types as not a problem what I'm more saying is that there's a difference with connotations within the professional field of study.

Regardless of my personal problems about misunderstanding words I still don't stand on people going after children within these games, a good person would control themselves and activity not act on vile urges; it just disappointing to find people reacting based on a unchosen attractions, attractions aren't the choice but your behaviors and activities are, manage yourselves.

@Mr. Friendship I never understood why people have a problem for liking the supposedly opposite property; I love both Zootopia and Beastars, Fallout and Elder Scrolls, Minecraft bedrock edition and the original Java title.

To me there's really nothing that makes one worse than the other unless there's something objective like animation studios not putting enough time to create the necessary cells to make the animation smoother or something to that effect.

@Liminality Absolutley based comment. You can like what you want but obsession is never healthy.

@Liminality Absolutley based comment. You can like what you want but obsession is never healthy.

@Dankington
While SU having one of the most degenerate worst excuses of a Fanbase ever around definitely harmed the shows reputation a good deal the show just being genuinely atrocious aside from a few good moments at the end of S1 and parts of S2/S3 definitely is a big part for its infamy too.

The bottom tier trash qualities of the show like the ungodly bad filler/pacing, abysmal """redemption""" of the equivalent of space h1tler, and the terribly lazy animation error is a large amount for why it's not just something that had its reception smeared by a bad community but is instead legit one of the worst series to come out of CN.

@Sodapop that’s fair. I mean it seems pretty accurate, but I don’t watch BTS or interact with the community at all. Plus the dancers are treated super poorly to begin with, and that’s another issue with the band. The directors and the stans make the entire community bad. I don’t have an issue with the regular fans or anything, you’re allowed to like stuff, but once it becomes an issue to other people.. that’s when it becomes a problem

@Liminality na bro I find kpop stans annoying as well. Its just that this statement is so wrong I can't help myself.

@Sodapop my guy i just saw it pop up in my email list chill out

@Sodapop my guy i just saw it pop up in my email list chill out

@Sodapop The music isn't the problem. BTS makes great music.<br>It's the drones of 14 year olds and 23 year olds (who ACT like 14 year olds) that are the problem.

@Sodapop The music isn't the problem. BTS makes great music.
It's the drones of 14 year olds and 23 year olds (who ACT like 14 year olds) that are the problem.

but kpop is doing fine......? BTS still consistently hitting top charts...?

but kpop is doing fine......? BTS still consistently hitting top charts...?

@Kappu I wouldn't say it ruined Minecraft's reputation since they are multiple "mini-fandoms" in Minecraft that simply one mini fandom aka MCYT is toxic doesn't mean the others will since outside of MCYT there is the competitive side, the building side, the hypixel side, etc.

MCYT as a whole in the other hand It has been ruined. If you don't like MCYT you would just get harassed online just because you are not as obsessive as stans themselves are and if you do like MCYT you would just get harassed because they think you are as obsessive as the stans even though you are in the community because you watch some guy in a minecart testing mods in a desert laboratory when you are 11.

i know some people have already said it, but the DSMP fandom (and “modern” mcyt fandom in general) has completely warped the internet’s view on the media itself. granted, minecraft content isn’t for everyone, but the fandom got so large so quickly and everything went downhill SO fucking fast. it’s genuinely upsetting sometimes :/

Steven Universe; Melanie Martinez; Literally anything that sad teens thinking life is so hard uwu watch.

Steven Universe; Melanie Martinez; Literally anything that sad teens thinking life is so hard uwu watch.

@Spencer Galland FINALLY someone who has my same opinion, my friend's been watching MHA recently and is spamming me messages like HAHA THIS IMAGE IS TODOROKI BUT IT'S TODORONI SO IT'S PASTA AND LOOK AT DEKU WITH ALL MIGHT FACE HAAHAHAHAHAAHA<br>GOD STFU

@Spencer Galland FINALLY someone who has my same opinion, my friend's been watching MHA recently and is spamming me messages like HAHA THIS IMAGE IS TODOROKI BUT IT'S TODORONI SO IT'S PASTA AND LOOK AT DEKU WITH ALL MIGHT FACE HAAHAHAHAHAAHA
GOD STFU

25:52 is basically insulting people who don't read very old books in one of the parts of the copypasta about Fathers and Sons.

FNaF comes to mind as a toxic fandom but I don't commonly see them as a toxic one. Sure, there is stuff like R34 and stuff and weird theories, but the actual people aren't as toxic as one like the car community reacting to electric vehicle. They say that EVs are toys and not actual cars. Or more like Teslas they're toxic towards, even though the points they make are mostly pretty bad and relate more to EVs than Tesla.

BNHA Fandom has entered the chat: have we been summoned?

BNHA Fandom has entered the chat: have we been summoned?

A lot of anime fandoms tbh, take bnha for example since that’s the most obvious one. Other cartoon examples like Steven Universe come to mind as well or even video game fandoms like Fortnite or minecraft nowadays (at least from what I can see on mc YouTube videos). JoJo also has a relatively annoying fanbase due to how some people in the fandom love making references all the time (something which I used to do for a period in my life when I was younger until I matured a bit) but luckily I don’t think that’s ruined the reputation of the show beyond repair, though it has scared off some people from watching it

@Spencer Galland lol I love MHA and most anime, but I’ve never heard of a toxic fan base?<br>Where do these people show that? Twitter or something? Genuinely curious

@Spencer Galland lol I love MHA and most anime, but I’ve never heard of a toxic fan base?
Where do these people show that? Twitter or something? Genuinely curious

Honestly AOT fandom became so freaking toxic because of the new people that just wanted to see “Chad Eren”, I remember when everything was Marco memes. Some months ago I got harassed by a group of AOT fans for some days because I said I didn’t hate certain character. Pathetic.

sonic fandom, and nintendos fandom.<br>i consider myself a fan of both, but i hate what the fandom does.

sonic fandom, and nintendos fandom.
i consider myself a fan of both, but i hate what the fandom does.

@Moon Fish ay it has some baddies and even if I don't judge

@Moon Fish ay it has some baddies and even if I don't judge

@Toniee B lmao my confession is I actually don’t like MHA at all but watched like 5 episodes then googled the characters and now I just read the fanfic🙃

@Spencer Galland MIDORYA X MIDORYA X MIDORA X MIDORYA X

@Spencer Galland MIDORYA X MIDORYA X MIDORA X MIDORYA X

@hand cleaning soap Yeah, some people can't have the same taste. I really watch R&M when I am going to sleep, but I still enjoy it well enough. But if JJBA's new season would come at the same time I wouldn't watch R&M at all tbh:D

@KalmoK that's a good mentality but I don't feel like watching it anymore though so you do you

@KalmoK that's a good mentality but I don't feel like watching it anymore though so you do you

Damn at 26 minutes something I decided to take a look into the comment section and exactly when he started saying that sentence I read your comment perfectly synced what a funny coincident

Honestly yea, been listening alot of BTS recently and thought that is not actually that bad.

Honestly yea, been listening alot of BTS recently and thought that is not actually that bad.

@Mr. Friendship dont you dare compare the ages-old marvel vs DC war with peasant squabbles such as these, my god man the nerve

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@Mr. Friendship I honestly blame both companies for that though. They used to do fucking crossovers all the time but now both are to pissy to basically print money like that anymore

@Gian Paguiligan literally look up any song by Queen Pink Floyd ACDC King Crimson David Bowie or Rush

@Gian Paguiligan literally look up any song by Queen Pink Floyd ACDC King Crimson David Bowie or Rush

@hand cleaning soap if i may ask, what “old song” is that?

@hand cleaning soap if i may ask, what “old song” is that?

@hand cleaning soap agreed thankfully I don't see "is that a jojo reference" all over the place anymore but for a time it was inescapable and obnoxious

@Spencer Galland what are you talking about

@Spencer Galland what are you talking about

@Poras Srivastava I don’t care what u say….Thor 3 was funny!

@Poras Srivastava I don’t care what u say….Thor 3 was funny!

@Weaboodo O Just talking about my own experience, nobody asked for your fake sympathy

@Weaboodo O Just talking about my own experience, nobody asked for your fake sympathy

Yeah I've stopped from watching JoJo because of how obnoxious the fandom is, listen to an old song and suddenly 14 years old in the comment section are having a stroke spamming "is that a JOJO REFERENCE!!!1!!"

leave twitter and the kpoppies suddenly stop being an issue, for the most part. every single toxic kpop stan is on twitter.

@Gortalla and that sucks cause the bad peep are generally the most loud.

@Gortalla and that sucks cause the bad peep are generally the most loud.

@Weaboodo O of course there are, most fandoms are majority good people

@Weaboodo O of course there are, most fandoms are majority good people

@Weaboodo O of course there are, most fandoms are made up of a majority of decent people

@Weaboodo O of course there are, most fandoms are made up of a majority of decent people

@Gortalla pretty sure there are some good peep in the fandom.

@Gortalla pretty sure there are some good peep in the fandom.

@Weaboodo O the fandom, the show itself is genuinely fine

@Weaboodo O the fandom, the show itself is genuinely fine

@Gortalla you mean the anime or the fandom?

@Gortalla you mean the anime or the fandom?

@Weaboodo O incorect, the my hero fandom is a unique case of garbage among anime, its even worse than most

@Weaboodo O incorect, the my hero fandom is a unique case of garbage among anime, its even worse than most

@Poras Srivastava Not just that, it's basically Marvel vs. DC in general. People keep calling someone a "fanboy" or "manbabies" for having different opinions from them which I find it immature ironically.

If you like Superman, Marvel fans will call you out for nothing. Same goes for DC fans when someone likes Iron Man or Captain America. It's a neverending cycle of hate. Just let people like what they want and what they like.

@Spencer Galland Then any anime you can name cause you know weebs.

@Spencer Galland Then any anime you can name cause you know weebs.

The Steven Universe fandom comes to mind

The Steven Universe fandom comes to mind

3 words. My hero academia. If you don’t know you don’t want to. If you do I’m sorry.

3 words. My hero academia. If you don’t know you don’t want to. If you do I’m sorry.

As a snyder fan and the mcu fan, the snyderverse fandom and the mcu's fandom or at least a small part of them has become like this toxic superior group that look down upon you if you don't like what they like.


Imagine being allowed to just enjoy a show


Seasons 3 and 4 each had several really good episodes that show the show can still be incredible


love how the Geowizard straight line mission theme just started playing


"It's not just a show about an anti-hero, it's an anti-show."

This line right here perfectly sums up why animated shows like Rick & Morty and BoJack Horseman are my favorite shows in the last decade. They both take so much cultural history that's been previously established in America media and constantly reframe and question it.

Not to mention, I love the lack of limitations animation brings to the table when touching on serious topics. Rick's attempted suicide would be impossible for me to watch if it was live-action, if it was attempted with a gun or pills, instead of a sci-fi thingy machine that's generally beyond our comprehension.

@joshin'round im sorry the most complex thing you can understand is a sit com for stoned teenagers so that you feel the need to apply some great value to it to make yourself feel better. <br>Deeply sorry

@joshin'round im sorry the most complex thing you can understand is a sit com for stoned teenagers so that you feel the need to apply some great value to it to make yourself feel better.
Deeply sorry

It doesn't really feel like an anti-show, especially when it's so fused with mainstream culture. Probably because I don't see nihilism or convention breaking as counter-culture anymore.

@Kaweta Bojack goes against a lot of tropes. The "hero" doesn't get the girl, there is no happy ending and everything doesn't just reset after the 20 minute mark.

Reframe and question cultural history? Bro, its rick and morty. Its not the first show to question society. Its not that deep

Bojack is by far neither the first nor the best "anit-sitcom" Theres been a million sappy drama fake sitcoms where characters seem like typical sitcom characters but with realistic shitty traits who never change or develop and constantly break the episodic formula and honestly in my opinion the best comedy anti-sitcom is probably always sunny because it actually uses its subversion to be humorous and plays off it to make better humor not just say "hey this writing sucks haha now laugh at it anyways"

""It's not just a show about an anti-hero, it's an anti-show."

This line right here perfectly sums up why animated shows like Rick & Morty and BoJack Horseman are my favorite shows in the last decade. They both take so much cultural history that's been previously established in America media and constantly reframe and question it. "
What is that even supposed to mean? Like is it because they name off tropes and sterotypes, and found out about anti-humor, maybe because they have a meta narrative and faux meaning shoved in?

Yes they're "definitely" the first shows to be deconstructionist but lets also praise them for calling out shitty lazy writing by intentionally being shitty trope filled lamp-shading writing then not actually going on to show a better way of doing it, its fine to call out or parody a trope but you need to actually then show something better than that trope, you can't just say "haha aren't fart jokes so bad and cliche" without a follow up or you're being just as bad but with a lazy level of "irony"
They both try to subvert expectations but its so shallow that the subversion themselves are at this point cliches in themselves.

You know I'm actually really glad that BoJack never quite got the obnoxious fanbase that Rick and Morty eventually got, but then again I do think that it was always the more mature show, especially when it comes to its standout dramatic moments.

Bojack isn't an anti-show. It may have looked like that in the first season, and of course it parodies a lot of stereotypes (but which show doesn't), but in the end it is a very honest series about very real themes.

@Kaweta Eh, I would. Because when most shows in the past touched on things like MI and abuse, they tended to use those subjects as just window dressing and motivation for characters being "evil" and "violent". They simply glorified the subject matter. But BJH directly addressed that and many other thing, like Hollywood corruption, sexism, and a long list of other heavy subjects that are just used as plot points in other shows w/o be given proper respect or nuance. So, I would totally classify it as an anti-show: anti-hollywood culture.

@Kaweta I think bojack horseman is definitely an anti-sitcom. The show originally presents itself like a goofy animated sitcom, but quickly becomes much more. The show presents a long storyline that runs through the entirety of 6 seasons, instead of resetting each episode like a traditional sitcom.<br>However, the show most importantly uses it's sitcom-like appearance as a contrast to the reality of the show and to highlight a source of Bojack's depression. One of the main messages of the show is that there isn't always a happy ending and problems don't always get closure, in stark contrast to the messages of a traditional sitcom. Bojack had a miserable childhood, so his idea of a normal life comes from his time on horsin' around. However, this depiction of life is very different from his actual life. He constantly strives for an idealized, perfect life, and is constantly disappointed in himself when faced with reality.

@Kaweta I think bojack horseman is definitely an anti-sitcom. The show originally presents itself like a goofy animated sitcom, but quickly becomes much more. The show presents a long storyline that runs through the entirety of 6 seasons, instead of resetting each episode like a traditional sitcom.
However, the show most importantly uses it's sitcom-like appearance as a contrast to the reality of the show and to highlight a source of Bojack's depression. One of the main messages of the show is that there isn't always a happy ending and problems don't always get closure, in stark contrast to the messages of a traditional sitcom. Bojack had a miserable childhood, so his idea of a normal life comes from his time on horsin' around. However, this depiction of life is very different from his actual life. He constantly strives for an idealized, perfect life, and is constantly disappointed in himself when faced with reality.

I wouldn't consider Bojack to be an anti-show like R&M. Bojack does follow a pretty standard series of events like any other show, it just gives a fuck-ton more nuance and humanization compared to other shows that step into those kinds of topics.


season 5 seems to be starting to take away ricks power more and more