Side note: Looking back at it, If I was making the rating system, I would have added a third option for people to express that they have a mixed reaction to something, and enable users to filter their searches by the percentage of each of the three ratings, or a combination of them.
@Fries another change they could make is that you only get notifications of replys to your comment on a reply thread and not a notification of a reply to the comment that started the reply thread or a reply to other comments on the reply thread and that reply has nothing to do with your comment but Is below your comment on the reply thread but you still get a notification for that reply even though it is not a reply to your comment on the reply thread, any comments that start reply threads still get notifications for any replys and replys to comments that are part of the reply thread to those comments, sorry to repeat my self but this to me is a major problem what do you think of the change I suggested if you can understand what I mean
“This video has aged well” A few months later “Man, this video has aged well” More time later “This video aged like wine” More months later “Aged like fine wine”
How many times can YouTube screw itself up for this to happen
@Corban Finch I say too well. I now have the mindset of this emplemon on how I feel about YouTube success. Just seeing these clearly lazy people get so much views. I mean yea it also my fault. But at the same time I just build this frustration about those channels.
@Fries YouTube could also get rid of search results tabs, like the for you tab and previously watched and explore other channels and people also watch. It could be changed so you could not subscribe to channels with no videos. An other change is channels that you have not subscribed to can not show up in your notifications inbox.
@frag el I’d also add a tab on the main page for new videos by startup channels, in addition to bringing back public dislikes, I’d also add at least one more rating for people with mixed reactions, and allow people to sort videos based on the percentage of each rating as they see fit, in addition to the changes he recommends in his copyright videos.
As for what you suggest: Previously watched in particular is a pointless tab, but “for you” I don’t mind, not being able to get subscribers with no content is good, and I would add a setting where users can choose to toggle on and off whether channels they aren’t subscribed to appear in their inbox.
@Fries another change they could make is that you only get notifications of replys to your reply on a reply thread and not a notification of a reply to the comment that started the reply thread or a notification of a reply to other replys on the reply thread and that reply Is below your reply on the reply thread but you still get a notification for that reply even though it is not a reply to your reply on the reply thread, any comments that start reply threads still get notifications for any replys and replys to replys that are part of the reply thread to those comments
@Fries so what do you think of my ideas to change how the thumbs up and the way reply notifications work, the way reply notifications work to me seems like a massive problem that is a bit hard to explain but if this change was made maybe it could cut down on bots or very pointless troll comments🤔
It's weird going back to Emp's old rants like this vs watching his modern videos. It's like watching two completely different people; his perspective and style have slightly changed, yet the same beats are still there. He was much more chaotic and aggressive back then, while he is calm and thoughtful today. His approach has matured immensely and I commend him for that.
Not only that, but apart from using a variety of copyrighted assets to illustrate his points as he says them, his videos more recently feel more like documentaries and less like YTP to me.
Also, apart from when he has someone say “Downward Spiral”, I don’t see him do too many audio distortions anymore. Or is that just me?
@Fries I’ve noticed the lack(?) of distortions recently, too, but honestly I’m sort of glad that they’re gone. Emp’s editing has developed and refined a great deal and the spike in volume when audio would get distorted got sort of grating after while.
@Michael Tegio I’m not complaining about the lack of audio distortions, just noting that I don’t hear too many of them anymore in Emp’s work. If anything I prefer the near absence of them because they distract from the video at times I feel.
I had no idea what YTP was until I came across his channel and he mentioned that he used to do it to be honest, but from the typical description of it, his videos from 2016 and 2017 feel more like commentary rants with editing like a YTP, and his videos from 2018 and in particular 2019 and onward feel more like documentaries with some copyrighted content that (as I said earlier) is used to illustrate his points, and is altered for claim purposes (ergo: to make sure the video passes the copyright ID bot undetected).
If he never brought it up, I probably wouldn’t be able to tell he ever did the YTP format at all based on his documentary videos.
@Fries But that's what I find interesting, Emp may have left YTP, but YTP didn't leave him. While Emp doesn't make YTP content anymore, you can almost feel how YTP has shaped his editing style. It's that same evolution I mentioned in my comment before. He may no longer use audio distortion, but he still has that signature EmpLemon feel to his videos.
Support alternate sites, it's one of the few ways I think that can make youtube be better again is by giving them competition not neccesary replacing them but just by having competition, but honestly that would be pretty hard considering this isn't even a free market just a cronyist shithole
Every point EMP made in this video rings true to this day, and even worse, the issues he mentioned that were plaguing YouTube in 2017 have been magnified. Some issues that YouTube has now are somewhat out of their control, but a majority of their problems are self imposed, and usually stem from changes made to protect large corporations, not the creators that made this site great. For example, the removal of dislikes.
The downward spiral continues in perpetuity with no end in sight.
I have a special relationship with this video. Every time YouTube makes incompetent decisions, shows extreme favoritism to corporations, gets into a massive controversy they could’ve avoided, lies to everyone, makes a random change to their website, their double standards Etc. when something like this happens I always come back to this video. So guess what’s happening now? YouTube is financial sandbagging short videos for no reason (meme channels and short animations channels.) they didn’t tell the community this change was happening and continue to be extremely vague. Channels that posted shorter videos noticed there earnings from their videos drop around the same time for seemingly no reason. Team YouTube’s response to this just infuriated me. It seems like they’re trying to pretend it doesn’t exist and just say go the creator support team. So they basically just trying to avoid the people asking them for help. Watch arcade assassin’s video and TheFakeSillyG’s video because they explain it better than me.
That fiasco thing was actually a fucking mistake Googles a fucking huge ass company, you’d expect them to be professional, but nah they accidentally sandbag meme channels
Not to defend YouTube’s monetization practices, (and without looking into it beyond reading your comment), my best guess as to why YouTube chose to demonitize shorter uploads is to encourage content creators to run their channels in the format of a content farm (essentially make their videos just over, if not close to ten minutes, in addition to other advertiser friendly restrictions, and the like).
We got shorts the used bought locomotive that derailed 3 other trains compilations were enough but with this it ENOUGH changing comments on mobile was a nuke
@Skid.mp4is that also because the comments are sorted by only newest and most liked and not also oldest and most replys and the replys to comments are not next to the comments🧐
1. Go back to the original algorithm, and add a section for start up channels that have gained significantly.
2. Stop censoring videos.
3. Get advertisers who care about content of videos and those that don't so that videos that are too edgy to be advertiser friendly can still get funded.
4. Bring back the star scale in increments of .1 stars, and track the quantity of each rating so that users can sort videos by ratings individually or by sections of ratings.
5. Add back the feature for allowing users to see a feed of videos rated highly by channels they subscribe to.
6. Revise the copyright system so that copyright claimants receive a share of revenue proportional to the percent of the video that actually contains their copyrighted content, and have an independent third party manually review all claims and counter claims.
7. Allow YouTubers the option of paying an annual licensing fee split between the big three music labels to use any music track they want without any music copyright claims and streamline communications with rights holders so that licensing fees can be more easily negotiated between uploaders and claimants.
@fir lin One last thing, I don’t mean to come across as a self-promoter, but I compiled a video of the 100 oldest YouTube videos we have (or at least 100 of them).
@fir lin And one more point to add to number four on my list: I would also add a section to the about page allowing users to explain their review scale, and publish their video reviews as they see fit, and allow the community to review the reviewers so that the site can have an aggregate opinion of who the best video critics are for each subject, and their suggestions.
@Fries there was once video responses that where like this, where some one would make a video and put it in the comments to explain a comment more or there rating for a video, links in comments are like this as well but comments with links I think might get deleted or ghosted more often.
Don't really see it. Maybe the algorith has shielded me from most of the shit he is talking (or rather, screaming) about, but I can't relate to the last third of the video. I mean, I see all of this in some quantity, but not nearly as much as to justify this level of butthurt. The "subscribe" rant is especially stupid - these reminders take 5 second at most and are skipped with a click, what's so triggering about them I don't understand.
@HH HH it still is annoying and basically copy and pasted for some from video to video if people like their content they Will make a account to subscribe or just subscribe and they don't need to be told to do so
@Fries It's Allot of factors many of them YouTube others just the stagnation of the genre, but YouTube definitely had a large role in their death. Some of the major factors killing them where subscribers don't get notifications which is important if you have a series of videos, algorithm changes that favored watched percent vs duration which means the longer format of many let's plays was less optimal, and YouTubes algorithmic manipulation of the homepage/trending to artificially lower gaming videos as they were to popular in YouTubes opinion who at the time was attempting to cater traditional media/become tv around 2015-2016.
@Austin Blackburn The biggest issue with YouTube generally in my opinion is it’s algorithm.
The old one was better, and if I was running the site, I would split the recommended tab into three sections (apart from the user’s other interests):
One for what the algorithms suggests, one for videos uploaded by media corporations that partner with YouTube, and one for videos recently uploaded by new channels (so that way, both big channels that partner with the site, and people starting out can get their videos discovered).
YouTube itself is mostly to blame for the biggest issues.
One thing that this site is still useful for in my opinion though:
Due to the way that major media companies have been going about releasing old content, and how that has been poorly received by some, It has unintentionally led many people (who Enp would classify as bootleggers in his copyright metagame) to upload older content that they have, and YouTube has unintentionally become a great resource for older media (in particular media with no material commercial viability).
I would agree that being told to subscribe is annoying to an extent.
Though one thing I would argue: The reason why channels choose to do it probably isn’t because they think their audience is dumb or that they need to be told to do so but rather because they say it because they’ve always said it and it became routine for them to do so.
Or in the case of newer channels, because they saw someone else do it.
@Skid.mp4 another change youtube could make is that you only get notifications of replys to your comment on a reply thread and not a notification of a reply to the comment that started the reply thread or a notification of a reply to other comments on the reply thread and that reply has nothing to do with your comment but Is below your comment on the reply thread but you still get a notification for that reply that has nothing to do with your comment, any comments that start reply threads still get notifications for any replys and replys to comments that are part of the reply thread to those comments, this is an annoying problem that would be great if they got rid of it
I think the most surprising moment I had with Youtube was when I went on the site without being logged into my account and seeing the unfiltered dribble Youtube recommends to people with no personal tailoring. Somewhere along the way I forgot that Youtube became tailored to my likes so I viewed what I saw as what Youtube was but I've realized what I see is a fractional slice of a pie filled with mostly hot rancid trash. It's insane to me that outside of my little bubble of Youtube the vast majority of this site is filled with tea spilling, list making, click bait reaction video hot donkey piss that seems like it's being cranked out by a short circuiting AI trying to figure out how to operate like a functional human.
Who is this content made for and how is it possible it all has millions of views, there's no possible way there is that many hollow skulled mud worms out there willing to consume that kind of content. The best possible answer I have come up with is new age parents deciding to use Youtube as a baby sitter and letting little Timmy shit for brains autoplay a constant stream of unfettered garbage that lets the algorithm boost these awful channels view count to unprecedented levels.
The most likely reason that content has so many views is because the channel behind it probably uploaded a lot, and it’s videos generated enough watch time for the video to be recommended to people visiting the site.
It seems these garbage default videos are seeping their way into the recommended content now too, I'm finding that so much of what I see on this site feels homogenised and mindless regardless of my preferences.
We've been trained like puppies to take in a certain amount of content. Especially the children on Youtube.
Everything is 10 minutes. Every Youtube video is 10 minutes. Radio plays 3 songs, and then 15 minutes of ads. Tv plays 8-10 minutes before commercial breaks. Everywhere you go, you're forced to take in bite sized amounts of content, so longer Youtube videos end up with low watchtime, because it's in our brains to click away after 10 minutes to find something else.
All so Youtube can farm more money off their ad breaks, 3--8 in every video. Remember your ad block, kids.
27:07 is one of the greatest rants I've ever seen. It's so true, I can count on one hand the number of youtubers I know who dont ask for you to subscribe to them at the end of every video.
It's because it works, several people I'm subbed to confirmed massive spikes in sub counts from the video they started asking onwards. It's just psychological manipulation shrugs
See, they're basically connecting the wrong dots. They do this shit, sometimes for YEARS, and then think "Oh, I am seeing a spike in activity, it MUST be because I'm begging for subscribers" when in actuality there is no observable statistic that can show that's why people are subscribing. And in that same vein, they also have NO means of seeing how many people DON'T subscribe, unsubscribe, or blacklist their channel because they are begging for subscriptions. They have no means of telling that it works. None.
What you CAN find are people TELLING them that it works, but these usually come from manipulative channels peddling bad advice to Youtube upstarts. And what's more, there is such a thing as "Empty subscribers". Ever subscribed to a channel thinking you'll watch more of their content but DON'T? That's an empty subscriber. You aren't actually contributing to the channel in any meaningful way, especially if you're smart and use adblock.
So what does asking for subscribers ACTUALLY do? Well, it creates a pool of uninteractive excess subscribers not actually helping your channel or producing growth/revenue and distances people that might otherwise have subscribed had it not been for your desperacy.
Ever notice how people that defend this practice sound like they're trying to justify a pyramid scheme? Yeah, there's a fucking reason for that...
@Crucillus Thorn I just mean that of the two people I've heard talk about this (that I recall, and my memory sucks so make of that what you will) both pointed to graphs that show literaly spikes the day of the change. Not massive, but clear. Admittedly, they might be coincidental, or even reversed, perhaps they suddenly got featured and want to capitalise on it by finally starting to ask for it. I don't know, it just seems that way to my personal tiny microcosm. I only sub to channels I like, but am totally guilty of not going back and unsubbing from ones I no longer think about, in part, I assume, because I no longer think about them. Perhaps there should be an annual cull? Youtube emails you if you've not watched any video from a channel in a year asking if you want to unsub? Or even automatic unsub but notify you if you want to stay subbed? But then, the numbers would go down, and they've made it abundatly clear they do not want numbers to go down.
I'm more likely to unsub from a channel that repeatedly begs its viewers for likes and subs. If you're desperate enough to beg the people that actively give you attention to give you MORE attention, you weren't worth it in the first place
@Crucillus Thorn I’m going to be inclined to believe people who are actually successful on YouTube than random commenter #93 on this one.
I seriously doubt Mr. Beast or Dream would be wasting video time on asking people to subscribe if it did nothing. The degree that those two have optimized their videos to play to everything the algorithm likes is ridiculous.
Not to endorse the practice of reminding people to like and subscribe the video on a routine basis, but I think the reason why so many people do that now is because it became tradition or routine for them, and perhaps because when they joined YouTube, they saw other channels they like do it.
Contrary to what Lemon inferred, I wouldn’t argue that these YouTubers think their audiences are stupid, but I would say that they probably do it routinely because they’ve always done it, and perhaps they think the video feels incomplete without ending with that reminder.
You might not agree with the practice, and if I uploaded regularly, I wouldn’t do it, but that’s my thoughts on the matter.
@Crucillus Thorn Also, I think the subscriber total is the number of people your channel has made an impression on overtime as opposed to how many currently engage with it.
Hell, now they ask before you even watch the video. I’ll watch it and if I like it I’ll click like. Sometimes if I like it I’ll look for other videos from the same author. If I like their other content I’ll sub. If I don’t like it, we’ll I’m not one to dislike but I won’t be back. Some videos I watch is multiple attempts to get likes and dubs and really turns me off the channel altogether. I don’t need to be patronized. I’m not a child.
I love the irony of Youtube Poop, it's name implies to people that it must be the shit side of youtube, but it's actually some of the most creative and original content on youtube.
Y'know the search for good content is like search for gold in a shitpit. You won't like where you gonna start diving in but when you find it, consider yourself very lucky.
Sort of funny that it is such an abstract art form. Things normally adored and praised by academic communities as well as artistic groups. But it struggles to be studied because the word "poop" is in the title.
Even funnier to me is PragerU Youtube poops are the funniest I have seen. A channel where they consistently attack abstract art and concepts (like those of their political leanings always have) created material for some of the best modern abstract art.
One of the better channels I’ve come across is Max0r, a guy who makes “incorrect summaries,” in essence they’re video game reviews done in a YTP style. His Project Wingman and Doom Eternal videos are... especially cursed. The first video in particular introduced me to the term “competitive genocide.”
I still stick to the old slogan of "Broadcast Yourself", even tho my videos are probably crap and low effort, I enjoy making em. I'm just being myself, broadcasting myself. You are absolutely bloodylecious right. Youtube gone down the mexican drain, so you know its nothing but bad crap.
Youtube has suffered the same fate that the whole internet has. The internet was ruined when normies, huge corporations, and simpletons flooded in.
The internet was a safe haven for people like me. Exactly to escape people like those. Then every single one of them and their phones came in and stole the only place I felt like home. The culture, the unspoken rules, all the incredible creativity. All of it was stolen, bastardized, and commercialized. And made toxic and brainless as fuck, and now politicized to hell during the past 5 years.
And now I'm being kicked out by the very same people who i originally fled from to gaming and the internet. All this really fucking sucks.
Unfortunately this seems to be a cycle that happens to literally every niche or nerd community unless some form of gatekeeping is enforced. It fucking sucks.
I’d argue YouTube has its uses. In particular it’s an underrated media archive.
But if you are looking for a website that promotes creative projects like YouTube did in its first seven or eight years, then this isn’t it (not that creative videos and people aren’t on here, but unless you are aware of them, you probably won’t be recommended them).
It's been nearly 4 years and every prediction that you made is spot on. In many ways, the platform has gotten even worse. It's honestly scary to think about, and it makes me sad knowing that things will only continue to get worse.
The part that got me is how I even found this video. I got recommended your Highest Jump World Record Progression video likely from being subscribed to SummoningSalt, enjoyed that video and clicked on your channel to see what else you make. I didn't realize how much extra work that actually is until you mentioned it. It may be 2-3 extra clicks, but for many, that's more than enough to discourage them from looking further.
@ouch potato Already have. Love that dude's content.
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I mean: can we ignore all of EmpLemon’s amazing content for a second and just focus on his rock-solid music taste? Supertramp, Neil Cicierega, Pink Floyd, The Who, Led Zeppelin, Gorillaz and Death Grips? What an absolute man.
He's definitely into prog rock. He had Yes and Pink Floyd in the BTM video while having ELP and Genesis (nice touch Emp, Dancing With the Moonlit Knight is one of my favorite songs by my favorite band) in this one. He even has a version of Jethro Tull's Thick As A Brick in his video about the highest jump in human history. He has an amazing taste in music and his selection makes the videos even better.
He even had The Gates of Delirium in his Behind The Meme video, as well as Close To The Edge and Roundabout in one of his other videos (a person after my own heart)
@Coob I didn't mean ">" as in "greater" if that's what you got from my comment. I was referring to the use of "Lemon" in both Aaron Lemos' internet name and Neil Cicierega's music/arts identity. I do beileve Neil is better based on his creativity and contribution to memes and internet cultuire but I still greatly enjoy Emp's content (YTPs, shitposting and video essays) to a great extent.
Probably could've explained myself better with a longer message rather than using arrow keys to be mistaken for telling one thing is better than the other.
You definitely had a right to be concerned 4 years ago. Over the past few years I’ve been noticing the stagnation in quality on the platform, and now that I’ve become a “proper” creator myself I can see just how little support there is for me. I’ve been demonetized for months, I never got notified, and I literally CANNOT get help from YouTube no matter how hard and how many times I’ve tried to contact them. This video still holds up perfectly and that’s honestly really fucking sad.
Never did I think that one of my all-time favorite YTP creators of the 2010s, that got me through High School, would evolve to become a creator that talks about what really matters here. It was hard to take in the comparison of modern YouTube to TV, but here we are, dead in the waters of faded creativity. Keep doing what you're doing Emp, fuck the system.
Looking back at this two years later, it's terrifying how accurate he hit the mark. Most of what he said has already happened or come true. And the scariest part is he thought it would take longer.
Been thinking about starting a channel specifically for bringing everything good back. And 0 care for the clout and money. Only a matter of time before I probably will. Just some random don't look over here.
Now community added subtitles, a feature that was an immense boon for people with hearing problems, is completely done due to abuse that they themselves could fix instead of removing the fucking feature entirely.
It is nearly 5 years and it seems youtube is becoming a shit storm quicker than we thought. I mean, It kinda always was but at least then it was tolerable. Now I think we are in the end times of it ever getting that way again and it will only be continually down-hill from here on out.
(Update: Dislikes were removed and youtube is gonna have NFT's very soon... We are truly in the darkest timeline)
Almost 4 years later, I watch this video again to compare and see how much has changed... and oh boy, it's fucking 10000x worse. If anyone reads all of this, kudos to you and thanks for paying attention to it...
"I don't understand why people try making ytps as they'll just get assblasted about how they'll never be as good as someone from 2011 who hasn't uploaded in half a fucking decade while videos with a single fucking edit get 10,000 times more views and praise."
It's not even ytps anymore. This is literally the current state of this deplorable site. It's sad to see what it is now and where it appears to be heading. Nobody seems to care about putting actual effort and work into videos outside of a very small group of people with 95% of them being content creators with under 1k subs. Most big names have editors that, if I'm going to be honest, really don't edit much of anything unless you consider jump cuts, random sound effects, zooming in on things, and the random funny image or Sony VEGAS text popping up on screen. Thumbnails now all look pretty much the same between one big channel to another with few exceptions. Content itself is bone-dry in terms of actual entertainment value. To top it all off, the ALGORITHM is still as shitty as it was 4 years ago, if not, somehow WORSE. It doesn't help that even on a clean account with no subscriptions to anyone, watching a small creator's videos doesn't put them into your recommendations. Instead, it just feeds a sea of content from bigger people who are similar to the small creator but have possibly done it with less effort and work put into it, but already have an install base and because this system only seems to recognize that, it floods the recommends with said content while the small creator goes relatively unnoticed UNLESS you go out of your way to find them. Go on a new account, find some small creator with under 1000 subs and view any of their content a few times. Scroll through the vids on the right while watching a few of their vids and pay attention to how many of their vids show up compared to other people. They'll probably only show up about 5 times if you're lucky, otherwise they'll mostly be wayyyy down at the bottom among other content from bigger people. Just because someone's bigger doesn't mean they're better. This system literally, as Emp explained, just fucks you over... unless you try to chase it through the most unappealing, disgusting, low effort, 0 work SHIT that steals the spotlight from people who truly deserve it.
The trending tab still shows the same fucking garbage content since 2017. The gaming section is absolute reeses feces on top of a diarrhea sundae as it's, as Emp explained, the same top dogs on youtube with their shitty almost identical thumbnails and clusterfucked stupid all caps titles that clickbait for views. ALTHOUGH, they did recently add a thing where it shows up and coming creators... except it seems to only grab people who have 10k+ subs that are growing rapidly... but 10k subs isn't really small, is it? No, because at the very least you get more than 50 views per video each month as opposed to people with maybe 5k, 2.5k, or only 1k subs. Sadly, it only shows ONE person at a time as far as I know whenever you check the trending page out at least, on the gaming section. It's a bit of a step in the right direction, but it's like putting a band-aid over a giant gaping wound with bones and flesh coming out of it. Might as well not even be there.
Content on the site itself has also somehow gotten even DRIER over these 4 years. 4 years ago, people were a bit more open about opinions and feelings. Now? If you even say a single thing that someone takes as out of line, your ass will get completely fucked from all sides and people will destroy what you've built up. Opinions on this site as if it was 2006 Youtube will get you maimed on a wall. Attempting to talk about controversial topics is apparently reserved to BIIIG people nowadays because they can do no harm by potentially insulting an entire minority or majority group of people... as if people don't do that behind the screen with their friends or even random strangers. And when they do get flack for talking about controversial things? They themselves get assblasted EVEN if it was something relatively harmless! Remember when people would curse all the time on videos, especially ones with gaming? I sure remember when people weren't afraid to curse like truck drivers and sailors because back then you didn't have to worry about it. Nowadays everyone has to talk like you're in fucking KINDERGARTEN even though I think MOST PEOPLE READING THIS CAN ACTUALLY UNDERSTAND ALL THE WORDS IN IT!
It's sad, and somehow 4 years later this video can be PERFECTLY applied to current youtube.
Well the shitty algorithm has gotten SLIGHTLY better via YT shorts. Videos that were dormant now getting tons and thousands of attention but it doesn't help the fact that the shitty aspects are still there...
The biggest issue with YouTube is the algorithm in my opinion, closely followed by censorship (there are some variations of that, demobilization being one of them).
If things were based off of view count, then those who are starting out might get more traction.
It’s not without its uses (most prominently as an archive of media, and some original content on this site I enjoy here and there), but if you want to create your own original content and get popular through that, then it’s unlikely to occur because you likely won’t get the watch time necessary to trend and be recommended to people who have no idea who you are (unless what you want to do fits one of the formats he described in the sixth part to begin with).
I’ve found YouTube useful for some things not goona lie, but I probably would have found it more useful in the earlier years.
Coming up on 5 years since this got released, I see that I just need to leave the website and find a new video hosting site and hope more people go there. However, this problem of not being seen is not exclusive to YT. It's repeated across the internet(not helped by Google) so even migrating websites won't dodge this dumpster fire
Ever since I took emp’s advice of taking initiative to look for content and find greatness, my YouTube experience got so much better. I found videos that were thought-provoking, fun, original, and inspiring. To the point that I would like to do a channel myself in the future.
Anyone reading this, take emp’s advice. Don’t just watch shit because it’s there, watch something that’s worth your time.
It worked for me; I’m definitely sure it’ll work for you too.
@Fries Im glad you asked! Here are some channels that I’ve come across since this comment. They *may or may not be up your alley*, but hey, that’s what makes YouTube worth it. Looking at original shit :D I’ll put the channel URL so it instantly takes you there and not waste time hunting it down. Feel free to NFT screenshot this comment so you can have it somewhere. I might also make edits, *might*.
- R.C Waldun (this is a channel that talks about very human topics and give his perspective on it. He's a university student from what I've watched in his videos, but his insight is so amazing, it's like he's a professor to life itself.
He recently, as of writing, he recently made a video about how learning is a boring process, and how it shouldn’t be like that.
He then gives his process on how to truly learn. And a personal experience with how learning that people who make fashion always wear lab coats lead him down a rabbit hole.)
This is a channel that talks that very serious topics like religion and abuse. He’s not hateful towards religious people, but he really is against religion as a concept and ideals. That’s not he’s only stick though. He makes videos on psychological issues we suffer today, and gives his potential solution to it.
They’re not bullet proof solutions, obviously, but we should always appreciate someone give a solution. Bonus points if it’s actually practical, but something is enough.
He talks about being stuck in your head all the time from a traumatic experience and how to deal with it, to talking about dealing with toxic people. If that’s up your alley, epic. If not, that’s epic too.)
- Ethan Becker (This is an art channel, and the host is a guy that’s loud and gives no fucks. It’s glorious seeing him in action.
This guy makes art tutorials, if art is your thing. What makes him unique is that he doesn’t just do tutorial videos for a super specific thing at this super specific moment. Like “how to draw a tree”.
No, this guy goes over his process of doing art, specifically animation, and encourages people to do that shit.
He recently did interview questions with his animation friends about what their art advice is. It was a really eye-opening thing seeing these people be human about their craft, and give legit advice to people doing art for the first time. Let alone animation.
- James Lee (James Lee does some pretty fucking good animations. It's legit some of the most technically impressive shit I've seen on this platform in recent memory. It's a mix of live-action and hand-drawn stuff. I can't imagine the process to do it, but thank fuck they exist :D)
@Mkilo97 Thank you for the suggestions and for your insightful reply.
Those four all look interesting, James Lee, and R.C. Waldun in particular.
Since you recommended some channels, I'll return the favor and share several channels I subscribe to myself (and I'll provide direct links to homepages as well):
Back Door: This channel is of a guy who uploads old NFL Films highlights, pieces, and sometimes combines clips to reconstruct sequences and occasionally entire older games. Most footage is from the 60's, 70's or 80's.
The guy who runs it is an excellent editor, and is good at merging sound with film when possible.
He uploads periodically, and upload lengths vary depending on the length of the music track showcased, the footage being shown, or the game or segment used.
Biographics: This channel is a great biography channel that profiles a variety of subjects, from presidents and political figures to Hollywood actors and pop culture figures to leaders of social movements and others who made their respective marks on history. Eloquently presented roughly three times a week by Simon Whistler. Their tagline is "History. One Life at a Time."
Most uploads on that channel are in the 15-25 minute range.
City Beautiful: A channel about urban planning, and aspects of how cities are designed and maintained. This channel has covered a variety of cities and angles of the topic at hand. Ran by a college professor from San Luis Obispo.
City Beautiful uploads probably once every few weeks, and videos are 8-15 minutes typically.
Company Man: A channel that profiles the successes, failures, histories and occasionally controversies of the business sides of various companies. A variety of companies have been profiled, and one 10-15 minute video is uploaded every Wednesday around noon for the past three or four years at this point.
The guy who narrates this one is engaging and seems like a genuine guy. I also once personally suggested a topic to him and he made a video on said topic.
He also should be commended for focusing strictly on the business sides of the topics he covers and for refraining from simply using trendy and simple explanations for why businesses succeeded and why they failed. I recommend this channel if you are interested in business in particular.
Deep Look: This channel is one of the best executed channels on this website with major corporate backing in my opinion.
I say it has major corporate backing because unlike some of the others I will list who have sponsors, but appear to be mostly ran by a handful of people, Deep Look is a science video series that is produced by PBS Digital Studios. It talks about small animals, insects and other small phenomenon in nature.
In particular, the cinematography and the narration by Laura Klivans is excellent. I recommend this if you are curious about science.
Deep Look uploads periodically, and uploads are a few minutes in length typically.
Electronic Gems: One of the best music aggregates on YouTube in my opinion. This channel spotlights electronic music tracks that are composed by independent electronic musicians.
Chuck D's All New Classic TV Clubhouse: This channel unlike the others does not upload original content, but it is home to quite a few older commercials, interstitials, and network promos, idents and scheduling bumpers. Clips uploaded are typically from the 70's to the mid 2000's, and several videos that are around 30-60 seconds long are uploaded every Saturday night.
SoftDrinkTV: This guy contrary to what his channel name might say, is a video game reviewer, most of his reviews are of sports video games. Both current and older.
This reviewer has a great narrative voice, good background music tastes, and has made uploads of varying lengths.
Uploads are every couple weeks or so, and usually over 10 minutes, though sometimes longer.
Rusty Buckets: This guy is an NBA commentator that has a great understanding of the sport, and looks at the game from interesting angles in my opinion. In particular, his deep dive videos are some of my favorite videos on the site on any topic. I can honestly say three things in particular:
1. This channel is one of the best channels that regularly recommends that people to subscribe to it in my book.
2. I developed a casual appreciation of basketball from this channel as much as anything else.
And 3. There are several keyboard instrumentals that I did not discover until I came across Rusty Buckets.
Even if you aren't a fan of the sport, one video from this channel that deserves a look is the GOATmentary from 2019, which ends with one of my favorite statements in a YouTube video by anyone: https://youtu.be/5naB2i9UcQ4
Telepurte: This channel is an animator who has a minimalist style with an interesting aesthetic to it. HIs animations range from humorous and zany to sensual and in at least one instance, sad and dramatic.
When this channel uploads, it does so daily, and most animations are no longer than 15-20 seconds.
Shout out to The Minute Hour!! Its run by an independent guy who deserves more attention. (It looks like the algorithm is bringing people here. Just doing my part)
@Doom58 a change youtube could make could make for the better is that you only get notifications of replys to your comment on a reply thread and not a notification of a reply to the comment that started the reply thread or a notification of a reply to other comments on the reply thread and that reply Is below your comment on the reply thread so you still get a notification for that reply even though it is not a reply to your comment on the reply thread, any comments that start reply threads still get notifications for any replys and replys to comments that are part of the reply thread to those comments, this is to me is also a very annoying problem I wish they could fix💯
Its ok my man. Im an adult now too. Saw it changing over the years too and watched my favorite content creators complain about being fucked over by copyright and algorithms. I have 100’s of channels Im subbed to and I often click away to videos that are mediocre. Youtube is a gross corporate slime now. They give no fucks. They will die just like Facebook
5 years since this was posted, this video was so important to me in my development as a channel, it essentially is my youtube bible or what NOT to do, i thank you for teaching everyone the truth about youtube, and bringing attention to the problem when everyone else was still blind to it. even though there are still problems, especially with political bias. this site is better off because people like you stood up to youtube mismanagement. and that courage is being passed on to the real world as well, so once again I thank you always for what you told me and everyone who subscribed too you.
The new CEO said she wanted to make YouTube into television. She succeeded. Now this place is cancer on top of cancer with a dollop of rectal cancer on top.
this has gotten so much worse since this video. I keep finding these really interesting channels that are addictive, and I KNOW audiences are finding one video, and then going on binges. these channels are different and artistic. They last for a little bit but inevitably decline. I'm starting to really think youtube promotes bland corporate personalities now.
around 2016 was prime youtube imo. filthy frank, idubbbz at his peak, it looked like things were just getting better and better but then everything started going to shit
We're about to hit the 4-year mark of this video, and this and many other times that Emp was critical of youtube have become the new reality. With the removal of dislikes, and being able to say and do barely anything due to demonization (which has only gotten worse and worse causing so much more stale and uncreative content Not to say that isn't some diamonds in this pile of shit) it's deteriorating at an alarming pace.
It sucks that we got this informal of a video, and in my own opinion one of the best-crafted videos on the site at the moment and in its history, and we couldn't stop the inevitable, and no one at YT got the memo. It's dark to think but it's going to only get worse and worse but YT is going to get bigger and bigger. The video was amazing as I said before but I can't help but feel it was all for nearly nothing.
And now it’s so big that trump made an hotel here for some reason, homeless people are totally ignored, it smells like smog everyday and you can’t walk outside without a mask, because you life in a city populated by 5 million citizens, and just have two lines of tramway, and you’re constantly blocked on a traffic jam on a 50 lines highway, just to work at a depressing corporate business that uses Mexicans slaves as employees but you can’t do shit about it because it’s the only way you can eat. The ones who are supposed to fix things don’t do shit about those problem with horrible consequences in the long term, and just starts throwing money at weird stuff and putting laws and rules that no ones understands. You are stuck here forever, even tho there is tons of better places, because you live here, you can’t afford to move and you can’t get a new job. And folks move in your city anyway thinking that they will live their best moments lives only to end up like you.
It still can be a forest. In the way that the big trees get all the light while the growing ones and the grass can't get any because of the shade of the big ones
@SteelingCable please listen, emplemon says there"s still good xontent out there on youtube and that it"s just a matter of finding it, so go out there and search for greatness!
@Mercury listen, i"m begging you. There"s good content in this site. Swaggersouls, kryos, tommyinnit, wilbur soot, memeulous, willne, smii7y, WILDCAT, akindalewar, elvis the alien, inabber, jschlatt, slimecicle, slazo, fitz, quackity, there"s still quality on youtube.
reminds me of CS Ghost, his video on Nintendo has a part where it shows the internet as a city, maybe with every website being a province or something similar, with google being the tallest skyscraper out of the bunch.
I saw a post today about YouTube becoming worse than TV and IMO that's simply not true at the moment.
Yes, the copyright system is pretty broken but they've been making improvements over the past few years, Tom Scott did a 40 minute piece on how content ID is actually a decent mechanism for a platform with so much content and definitely the best option available at the moment.
Yes, entertainment content is being forced to become family friendly and killing channels like Filthy Frank in the process, BUT this kind of thing was to be expected with a platform that is so relying on its advertisers and which deals with controversy after controversy.
Yes, the way some channels get treated in comparison to others is incredibly hypocritical and disrespectful (Nerd City has made many videos on different examples of this), but the platform is still fair to most entertainment creators plus youtubers in less controversial communities (which comprise most of the users on the platform)
Yes, ads can be annoying but comparing 5 seconds before being able to skip + a couple unskippables every once in a while to advertisements on television is ludicrous.
I've been using YouTube on a daily basis for more than 5 years, and got a job by learning a software through tutorial videos, all that knowledge and entertainment for free. Honesly, I think there's a very, very long way to go before we can even start comparing it with the discrace that is Television at the moment.
One thing I noticed about the downward spiral animation is that it starts out gritty and a little unfinished but original, only to begin to become simplified and hard to look at. Kinda like YouTube
I've found a guy that I want to promote here, he's called Leadhead, and he's a phenomenal video essayist who writes about honestly whatever he wants, which reminds me of the original YouTube spirit that Emplemon talks about here.
As a 14 year old as of last month, I have started to go watch older videos, and I agree that YouTube has gotten way worse over the years. I used to make [and probably will continue to make] the cringy 'shy young teen tries to be confident and popluar by doing gaming' type of content. I am only feeding into the bad content, and I am going to try and change that.
Love your content by the way, Hungrybox video was my favorite.
When they started removing comment sections on old cartoons and whatnot that was the official point that I started hoping Youtube burns and a new service rises to prominence. Next thing you know they'll take away comment sections on soundtracks for any E-Rated videogames. What fun is it if we can't talk with each other about our fond memories?
@Doom58 Quackity. Flamingo. Chris ray gun. Danny gonzalez. Stephen tries. Saltydkdan. Willne. Wilbur soot. Technoblade. Tommyinnit. Drew gooden. Konekokitten.
@Connor Michael those channels aren’t good... i looked all of them up and they are mostly clones. one of them even uploads 30 minute minecraft letsplays on the regular like (??) was the point of this video not to watch that kind of mcdonalds quality content?
@alex3rd11 i"d still take them over blights like Dantdm, Unspeakablegaming, Stampylonghead, Ssundee, Skydoesminecraft, Thinknoodles, and Captainsparklez.
oh yeah for sure. I spend hours every day filming my videos then trying to edit them to make them funny and actually watchable then when im finally done 10 hours later and 3 people start the video see I have 165 subs and then no one else sees my videos
@Random it's not something that could be explained in 30 seconds. The irony is him talking about people just like you who need to be spoon fed information in tiny bites. It's honestly kinda sad that you seem to not appreciate the time, effort, and nuance that goes into videos like this.
@Random you have to be extremely close minded (or baiting, who knows) to think that youtube is just a "10 minute medium". i have seen probably many of the same video on machine learning and math that you have, and they are fundamentally different than this video. this video is a mini documentary that discusses extremely nuanced situations, and its different than explaining a neural network or how fluids flow through a medium.
the idea you have of what this video talks about is funny, and from that i can infer that you have to be at least 30+ years old or close to it. "they said the same thing about radio"; so just because 2 completely separate and unrelated things have "been on a downward spiral" means that it is unnecessary to talk about them? No, this video is completely different than what radios downward spiral was. how can you be so stupid as to think that they are even closely related. seriously, just watch the video before making these wild and inaccurate assumptions.
the tone you give off is kind of annoying, as if him making this video long is an inconvenience to you; as if you have this importance and your time cant be wasted on a video like this. cut that out.
if you dont want to watch a 50 minute video, then dont click on one. if you want to watch the video but dont have enough time, then there is this revolutionary idea called pausing. watch parts of the video in your spare time.
thats all i have to say. dont be so close minded as you are now, and if this was bait then thanks for wasting my time.
@Shooby a change youtube could make could make for the better is that you only get notifications of replys to your comment on a reply thread and not a notification of a reply to the comment that started the reply thread or a notification of a reply to other comments on the reply thread and that reply Is below your comment on the reply thread so you still get a notification for that reply even though it is not a reply to your comment on the reply thread, any comments that start reply threads still get notifications for any replys and replys to comments that are part of the reply thread to those comments, this is a very annoying problem I wish they could fix💯
@Clorox Bleach a change youtube could make could make for the better is that you only get notifications of replys to your comment on a reply thread and not a notification of a reply to the comment that started the reply thread or a notification of a reply to other comments on the reply thread and that reply Is below your comment on the reply thread so you still get a notification for that reply even though it is not a reply to your comment on the reply thread, any comments that start reply threads still get notifications for any replys and replys to comments that are part of the reply thread to those comments, this is a very annoying problem I wish they could fix💯
The current state of Youtube is the same as with cinema. Both of those things have started as nothing more as just means of expresing creativity of talented people, and creating timeless classics, with pure intention of entertain and challenge audience. And now both of this things became nothing more then just gaint commercial machine which prioritize quantity over quality and new generation of kids eats this shit up, because they don't know any better, because they were already brainwashed. Well....I'M NOT A ZOMBIE. I don't watch scumbags who only gives a shit about money and not inteligence of his viewers. I watch people with passion, with creativity and who create great/amazing video essay's, animations, fanfilms and comics (because somehow, thank god, they're still out there). I don't know what's future of Youtube and Cinema is like but i'm don't have a good feelings about it. Also.....YTP IS DEAD!? I'm sorry but to people who say that I say...NO! YTP is still alive and I feel that YTP is in it's prime. I mean have you seen Silver C Stick YTP'S about Sonic? THESE ARE GREAT. And there are a lot more good YTP's out there, you just have to look. I agree with you EmpLemon, great video.
I love it so much when Emp uploads videos that are longer than 30 minutes. Cleanses the pallet <3 Re-watching this for like the thousandth time and loving it
I think it's funny how many YouTubers today acknowledge that the algorithm sucks and they only make safe, soulless content because it's the only way to make money and keep their vids up. I'm sitting in Physics and just now the vid we were watching had to do a cover of a song due to fear of copyright
I completely agree, I honestly think it’s just human nature bleeding into what was once a positive creation that cultivated creativity and community. I think your content is very intricate and genuine, I appreciate creators like yours that strive to be people rather than channels.
I'm glad I watched this, because I was honestly in the same boat of misconception regarding YouTube poops. Loved them back in the day, didn't know they were still made. Definitely going to check your stuff out.
This was very informative and thought-provoking. Thanks for this, man.
Aztrosist, glad to know that the misconception of YTPs was shared with people I'd expect to know the true conception of YTPs, because it makes me feel less dumb about my misconception despite having watched the occasional modern-day YTP.
steve jordan If you watch Aztrosist's Twitch streams, he's usually a lot more genuine with his commentary (despite playing MineCraft. I'm not kidding).
His sarcastic side is something known as a persona, a character within a person usually executed for entertainment purposes.
Sorry for making you bored.
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steve jordan2017-08-20 17:17:31 (edited 2017-08-20 17:19:34 )
MageBurger how was that boring? it was a good comment. and I'm just saying when he comments on other videos from other creators, it's usually jokes. rarely do I see him post this well structured comment that should be taken seriously. but it makes me very glad to know that aztrocist liked this video from one of my favorite ytp channels
steve jordan It was kind of a mini joke for explaining something. My subconscious just likes to take my expectations and do stuff. But it's nice to know you like the genuine version of Aztrosist.
I'm surprised you didn't add a one liner or a joke at the end of your message Aztrosist, like "although I'm disappointed you didn't give me a shout out, that hurts man".
Aztrosist ytps are pretty much like mlg's but instead of gaming inside jokes, its meme inside jokes regarding stuff like cartoons and stuff of sorts. I know i look like a fucking normie for that explanation but thats my undertanding of it.
This video says everything I have thought for this entire year, but I am part of the problem since I leave auto play on when I sleep (on music I mean :(. )
this video was very inspiring, thank you emplemon. i'll go be a better viewer and a better human not a mindless amoeba consuming plain videos day after day, i think i understand this video and what youtube should be in the future, we may not see it soon but youtube could be a better place. soon, ... soon.
Aztrosist I know what your getting at but, I miss the funny shit that I would sit down and eat my pathetic lunch with, I get he's trying to do things but, you do need other content besides this, your just going to keep losing people that support you, I still do but things need to change man, bring back the old Lemon, you and JP Carlson were both amazing video creators, making ytp content unlike any other, but those days are gone, at least Pie Pivotmotpier still makes videos, he's one of few still keeping it alive
Matt Ward2017-08-27 16:43:22 (edited 2017-08-27 16:43:50 )
Accursed Farm is one of the few genuine channels still active. Doesn't try to sell the viewer anything, he doesn't even ask people to subscribe to his channel. He said it makes him sound too much like a salesperson which isn't what he aims to do, he just aims to make good videos that people will enjoy.
I personally believe that the YouTube algorithm itself has been improving on its own terms in the exact ways you have presented the website failing in this video. Maybe I’ve gotten lucky but there are so many new creators who put real effort into their work I’ve found just recently and it’s been expanding. How? The recommended and suggestions. It’s not perfect, it’s not even great, but it’s getting good. - just a shithead’s opinion
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Andy Gonzalez2022-02-11 19:31:08 (edited 2022-02-11 19:31:50 )
Controversial opinion below!!!
I personally don't enjoy YTP videos...
*BUT*, I have a deep respect for the people who do them, I can only imagine how creative one has to get in order to make a good YTP...
I've been here since 2007. I've seen things you people wouldn't believe, Flame wars in the comments section of the IrateGamer I saw PewDiePie at only 10k subscribers Lego stop motion videos, telling meaningful and intricate stories
These memories, will be lost in time, like... this comment.
Seeing the name Irate Gamer just gave me negative chills and mild sadness in my head on how long ago and outdates that name is. PewDiePie at 10k subscribers. Such evolution..
remember pewdiepie's amnesia custom story's, death star cantina lego, those stickman animations? when minecraft wasn't full of 5 year old kids. what happened to those days :(
The worst part for me is that I never saw how YouTube looked before google took over. I didn't start watching YouTube regularly until I found Markiplier with his first FNaF video. I was 13 or 12 at the time, but I also want the old YouTube back.
It's like hearing about the old American days where people rode on horseback. You only know what you have been told, instead of being able to experience it yourself.
dude, i was here since 2005. i dont remember when i made the account, but it was definitely by 2007. im with you man. so many memories, when the lets plays began, when YTP began, even when all of the websites like Newgrounds and AlbinoBlackSheep were beginning to merge here. what i miss most is exploring. finding weird stuff, like Chuck Norris in Oblivion...
I remember as a kid playing some interactive lego video involving a spider jumping on your friend and you can jump into a mech and blast the shit out of the spider and your friend
Dude I loved those stop motion lego videos those were awesome like the Zombie ones, Halo , the Star wars ones, and the ones telling stories about life too.
I remember when rant videos were popular and when let's plays were new I remember when game grumps was new as well 2016 is oddly enough the last good year for YouTubers but 2012 is the last good year for YouTube
I've been there as well, there are several old videos I don't know if I'll ever see again simply because of how long ago I've viewed them. I also had the Blade Runner music run through my head while reading this, so well done.
Lazzle Dazzle they weren’t deep at all. they were just old and funny (to an extent) and and most of all, they’re nostalgic. i’m one of the ones who loved them
@BrickbyBrick46 I very much miss old Youtube myself, it used to be a lot smaller, far less people were doing it for money because it was far more difficult to make money off the site.
Anybody remember those Mario The Parody Series? It’s gone now…. Was thinking of making a transcript of everything I remember… I’d be happy to have others join if they’re interested.
I always watched stop motion Lego gun videos when I was younger. The huge arsenal and heat these guys were packing fascinated my young middle mind so much back then
100s of lego stop motions (most since removed) and people would straight up upload full episodes of family guy right after they aired. It was a great time!
@Chief Gabriel You can still find plenty of Family Guy clips from both corporate and bootleg uploaders, but typically not more than maybe a third of an episode in any video.
If people were to upload Lego stop motion or something like that, it’d probably go under the radar due to a lack of recommendations through the algorithm (unless an incredibly large channel uploaded such a video).
came back to listen to this video again and man does it hold up even 4 years later! i can safely say that your own content has been doing exactly what you call for here- for YOU to be the reason people to come to your channel. even if i know nothing about nascar, or wwe, or whatever else you feel like making video essays on, you have a level of sheer talent and skill that keeps me engaged, and provides both a good watching AND listening experience. it's amazing how i can be brought to tears, or into awe over things i knew nothing about beforehand by your videos. it's fucking glorious. thank you for truly broadcasting yourself.
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Cody The Hunter2021-03-12 19:32:01 (edited 2021-03-12 19:33:25 )
I became YouTuber a few months ago and shit's hard on my head man. I'm in constant fear of the normies thinking my content is cringe because I took the time to speak about my opinion in a few videos I've made. Sure, I'm not that good making content really just on my own, and I've not been satisfied with the idea of sticking to gaming, or even the thought that I made gaming content in the first place. I've had trouble thinking of what videos to make YTPs of, how to make them, how to add my favorite poopisms to said YTPs, and more. I've thought of a type of video to make that I think I'll make for a bit and see if I'm satisfied with it. If I just can't find any inspiration, or I can't make any content that I'm satisfied with then fuck it, I give up! Fuck this site!
Wasn't even aware how alive it was, probably thanks to both YouTube suppressing it, and me not wanting to watch YouTube videos anymore.
I used to animate and now I'm a gaming channel. Despite my animation improving, the attention it got wasn't even a fraction from before. I still like to animate a little into my videos where I can and that's all the individuality I can claim to be my own these days.
I don't like asking for subscribers, and yet I've been conditioned on this site that if you neglect to remind viewers, they won't sub. So I made video enders always revolve around destroying the subscribe button.
Only reason why this comment is all about me (wah) is because your rant resonates pretty hard with me for the most part. Here's hoping things can turn around someday. I'd say people will get sick of it eventually, but worryingly our audiences are a new generation which is literally growing up watching junk. There'd have to be some sort of movement or plugin that worked on YouTube but surpassed the terrible algorithm we are haunted by to this day.
Lythero it's so great to see you here, I always thought to myself "what did happen to Lytheros animations?" And it's so annoying to see that they just get ignored and it's hard for you to do what you want, if anything, your videos are much better than most other gaming videos because you seem to actually care
Lythero I don't think that's a good excuse. You were conditioned? Seriously? C'mon, let's get real, I'm 15 who has watched this site for the majority of my lifetime, and I know what I want out of a YouTube channel. If you really believed in making good content without stale endings, you wouldn't say them.
I loved the King of the Hill YTPs when I stumbled into them. I checked out some other YTPs and most of them just didn't tickle my funny bone the same way. Something about KotH just lends itself so well to the art form of YTP. But I do appreciate the sentiment behind it, there's an anarchy there that I love, plus it's just plain hilarious if done right.
So just for fun I tried my hand at making one myself, and as a way to maybe gain some skills at editing. Most of it was pretty crude edit tricks because I didn't have the chops yet, but still it's fun to play around with. But of course, when I uploaded the video, it was immediately blocked, even though I wasn't monetizing it, and had no interest in doing so. But I don't have the time or patience to figure out how to get around that, so I gave it up.
I grew up watching youtube, some my best memories were watching videos with my friends. The best way I can describe the change I have seen is that youtube has lost its soul, as much of a circlejerk it is to say youtube sucks now, its true. It's honestly just depressing. It's like seeing an old friend completely change for the worse.
I think youtube needs a serious competitor. It'll definitely open their eyes if youtube audience migrated to a superior platform. Edit: also get youtube vanced if you have an android. Its free youtube red
At first I want to say that this video is abolutely great!
but I want to add something: You said the vidoes cant be to long, because the viewers have a attention span of a toast or something like that. But its the zombie viewers of that content that are like this and sadly they're taking over and stumble upon videos that aren't in their zombie comfort zone, because the algorithm is broken... I'm sure if this video or your other video you showed as example would get recommended to the right people you would get much higher avarage watchtimes, because interested people WILL like this content and stay interested. you probably should have said something like "If you're producing this low effort videos, make sure it's not to long, because your zombie audience will have a attention span of a taost (or whatever you said), but if you're not doing that, make it as long as it has to be and dont cut quality content or stop when its not yet perfect, just because "most of the poeple wont see it anyways", just do it"
tbh I was and sometimes still watch not that high effort videos (minecraft letsplays (but with not too bad editing) and im guilty of watching the videos where people tell me how bad a movie is), but if they get to long, they are not enjoyable (=even less than at the beginning), because they are not meant to be that long, but I can have a longer attention span with good videos and watch them for a long time (like this one or even longer)
The fact that this video is still relevant today tells you just how bad the situation is. Only now, it's somehow even worse. Now we have YouTube shorts, which is just another cheap imitation of TikTok, further proving people are too lazy to click on videos made by small, up and coming YTers, but would rather just sit their asses down and swipe up to watch a continuous stream of talentless trend chasers who would willingly hurt themselves for clout. This is the state of YouTube. And as bad as it is now, it'll somehow manage to get worse Edit: Yup. It got worse. Now they're removing dislikes because we dont wanna hurt anyone's wittle feewings. I hate this site
Ancient vid, but although alot of this can be blamed on incompetence, I do believe it also has to do with gatekeeping. Comfort is an endpoint most seek, and for coorperations that necessarily involves monopolies (since competetion is the most expensive part of running buisness and monopolies eliminate competion). And in order to have a monopoly, you have to own everything or have control over everything. Naturally, allowing individuals the freedom to rise ''unsupervised'' undermines the ability to create monopolies and have full control control. Now, EVERY little thing probably does not directly connect to gatekeeping, but it is worth noting that it is not uncommon to sneak in restrictive rules subtely through ''good intentions'' (in addtion to said ''good intentions'' not always playing out as intended either way). And regardless of which affects it the most, it never changes who benefits the most from these ''mistakes'' (hint: its 99% likely it is not you).
Emplemon, I... lack the words. To express how fucking true that is. That was so goddamn spot-on that I’m stunned. I usually don’t comment often on youtube, but I just had to for this. It’s important because really, as you say it, it’s counterproductive. Watching the shitty corporate youtube is a creativity-killer and awareness is necessary for people who seek to improve and lead a better life.
As someone who is a major Pink Floyd fan, your videos have the best soundtrack of any youtube. But yah, four years later and pretty much none of the problems listed have been fixed yet. As long as Emp, Jon Bois, and co keep making videos I'll still keep returning to this site though
Most channels that do shorts to my knowledge (at least of those I'm aware of) are just highlights, or notable moments of longer videos that are linked in the description.
I'm curious as to what Mr. EmpLemon thinks about YouTube today. After watching, I can say a lot of this still applies roughly 4 years later. But has it gotten better, worse, or stayed the same?
Not to defend the site, but regarding what he focused on in this video (algorithm and lack of variety in particular), it probably hasn’t gotten much worse than it was then just because of how bad it got.
Axel Andersson2021-01-22 16:43:31 (edited 2021-01-22 16:46:18 )
This guys use of music in his videos is amazing! I fucking love how you switch up the tone of the music for each part and when you choose to cut it out. Not to mention the volume change.
I've always had this crazy idea. That because of the glut of "reality" TV programs from like 2009-2012, which has a strong correlation to the aftermath of the 2008 writer's strike, a good majority of people started to draw more of their entertainment from YouTube and other internet sources. Idk. Just seems a little to close timeline-wise to be a mear coincidence.
I happened to rewatch this vid right after the Rick Grimes one. (Both of which I'd seen before) and just the sereal backwards painful full circle between the two just elevates them so much higher to me. Makes the messages of each (that were already very strong) so much more powerful and imo important to the world and internet as it is now.
Bloody great video. It's exceptionally concerning that YouTube just keeps getting worse and worse. Hell, it's hard to say anything that you already haven't.
I'm lucky enough to have stumbled across a middle ground. While many of my videos have the 'popular sources' and slightly higher production quality than the average YTP, I'm still able to make whatever I want, whenever I want, and the audience (at least the vocal majority) enjoy it! Admittedly, I have been focusing on popular sources as of recent, but that's predominantly to keep the channel afloat during a period in which I lack the time to create stuff regularly.
I could easy make a Squeakquel every single day. Cold 656.3 could have released right now. But I just can't do it. I can't bring myself down to the level of the 'subscriber whores' who have drained all passion from their work.
I believe moving forward that, with a certain balance, we can still see worthy content creators broadcasting themselves without stooping to the lowest of the lows.
Gaming channel can have Highlights - properly edited personality driven segments where each episode takes hours to edit, not seconds (such as Funhaus). List channels can do the same - take Outside Xbox and Outside Extra for example; they create semi-regular content but the videos are driven by the down-to-earth hosts rather than the copied-and-pasted facts.
There are large channels which - while the subject may be as clickbaity as possible - still put a massive amount of effort into their videos. Hours of scripting, editing, and even working towards understanding their market.
+Numberer1 Yes but big channels that are putting much effort into their work are still not doing 'anything wrong'. Just like YTP's, if the content is great and time isn't repeatedly 10:00 to 10:30 then it would be amazing content. If the YouTuber who's content is repetitive and defys the rules i said earlier then its clear that they aren't doing nothing wrong. As i have my opinion and nobody can change that.
the downward spiral! it's happening on twitch for a few years too it too is infested with normies and a ton of women do this weird ASMR and people just chat and watch YOUTUBE videos it's fucking stupid lol it's become less about gaming and more about the people and the clicks twitch like youtube only cares how much money you make not the creators both youtube and twitch has this issue i do wish more genuine people existed on both platforms there are a few but they hardly exist also i HATE the reminder of subscribing it's SO ANNOYING! i'm with emplemon on that part it's fucking everywhere holy FUCK! except subs on youtube are the same as followers on twitch and subs are the same as members on youtube been watching a ton of your content emplemon also a friend has been showing me YTPs and i used to be that guy and didn't give those a chance and MY LORD WHAT WAS I MISSING! Good lord i missed good content now i feel bad hating on them years ago w/o giving them a chance been really enjoying your commentaries though every one of those interest me i watched all the Geographic and never ever series i'm with ya on FUCKING NORMIES! i remember playing a video game on my GBA and people act like you aren't there or paying you any existent i kinda liked gaming not being mainstream. once things hit the mainstream it all goes to this like streaming and making content lol
This is 4 years ago and it still holds up. I've watched some YTP recently and it was interesting because it actually told a story rather than using outdated memes.
I think that its 2016-2021, because 2016 marks Susan becoming the CEO of YT, COPPA, the adpocalypse, the copyright/fair use abuse, and demonetizations. Because 2012-2016 was the age of let's plays, streams, content creation with the dream of getting monetized (not just patreon or merch) was prevelant.
You could probably find individual videos where people broadcasted themselves today, but if their goal is to make money, unless what they want to do already happens to be something that advertisers want to fund, then chances are they resorted to one of those templates to trend.
2013-Now: "Broadcast whatever makes more money for us and makes almost nothing for you so we can shove more useless features that make things more corporate and heartless while demonitizing, censoring, blocking, and terminating channels that aren't corporations, oh did I mention entire corporations have channels now? Yeah. We're gonna make them the entire platform. Except for the people that are running their channels like a corporation."
lots of people here are saying that 3 years later it's still true and they were lucky to have this recommended to them. but now it's worse, not only was it 4 years, a friend had to share this with me i didn't get it recommended.
This video was amazing to listen to in the background and then hear prog rock songs that I thought nobody else liked and immediately liked the video 100% better.
Very nice choise of music, it made me more interested in the topic the whole time :).
4 years later and multiple watches, I just realized you’re playing an 8-bit version of Frankenstein by the Edgar Winters Group in the background. Absolutely fantastic
After a year on this account, if u subscribe to the right people and watch them regularly enough, you can bend the algorithm to your will. But new ppl, ya they're screwed
@Bruh Moment facts, ive been on this site for like 10 years and even still its hard to find good content, like this, that somefuckinghow the algorithm sent my way
@Rafael Hinojosa they're being rushed by advertisers to make better copyright and offensive content filter so they don't look bad, it somewhat out of their control
atomic doomsday58 I think it was since 2012, when the copyright system was revamped. I vaguely remember that instantly caused a lot of shit, I remember that instantly bought forward this new type of drama and it set a major precedent. I honestly think that affected the entire Internet as well and was a major thing that made all the corporatization, ads and limitations more prominent and "okay" because YouTube got away with it. It's getting kind of close to being a decade since this happened and things have arguably gotten a lot worse on YouTube and they still get away with it.
Don't get me wrong, corporations would still try to strangle the Internet if it were profitable, and they would get their way, but YouTube's decision was probably a huge boon for them. And I just really think that's when the site changed and you could tell the Internet would change and become an everyday thing, which means all the big companies and bigger restrictions came along too.
Really do miss when the Internet wasn't a normie thing frankly, really really miss when technology wasn't in EVERYTHING, this shit just isn't healthy and the Internet used to be better.
I just feel like peoples' standards are really low all around but I guess my misanthropic self (not in "fuck all people!" sense, no, I mean I really feel like I don't belong anywhere and would rather not suffer from human nature at times) is starting to just rant about people. Sorry.
@Bruh Moment Sucks to be me. I've been on YT since 2014, and finally, about a month and a half ago, I've won the fight with the algorithm. My homepage was beautiful and interesting. And then YT deleted my fucking account. I didn't even receive an email saying why. I tried to appeal but I haven't received any response.
Just here to remind ya' all that watchmojo has made a video titled "Top 10 Types Of Cheese" or smth along those lines and got thousands of views. They actually, unironically ranked cheeses in a top 10 list. And people fucking watched it. And left likes.
So yeah, I think the content has only gotten shittier over the years.
@wearelive yeah in 2020 it would probably be suffering a tiny bit same with twitter they ban users for no reasons and let the bad ones slip away with it and also youtube is doing the same stuff pretty much.
@M4RZ Yea, this is why I'm adamant that YouTube is still getting worse, even though there's more good content than ever before. I watched a few newer poops (can't remember their names :( , but they were about that old "we're riding on the Internet!" and a gamecube into music one) and realized that my tastes have changed, and that's fine.
But, there is still content that I do like, and even when I come across it and watch several videos, does anything similar show up in my feed? Nope! The same Reddit copy+paste stories (my guilty pleasure, sue me) and videos from channels I'm already subbed to, or videos I've already marked as 'Watch Later'! I don't expect the crappy-but-can't-stop-watching videos to go away, but at least diversify my feed, a little bit! Accessing quality content is hard as hell now. I can't even check how many new uploads any single channel has put out (did you notice that was removed from the sidebar?) and without the Featured Tab, nothing I watch has any social aspect anymore; my friends and I all live in our respective YouTube-manufactured bubbles of content.
It's really sad, I can't remember the last time I enjoyed something like Evolution of Dance with a friend (that wasn't drama).
You made me comment. I really loved this one EmpLemon and the centre around the individual, being individual and not straying from the ultimate goal of making videos for the art of it, or as it’s more commonly referred, just making them cause you feel like it. It’s really a good message and the message of youtube being in this unchanging forever downward portal is incredibly true and still so.
I really like your messaging and what’s funny is I came back after being alienated by no more YTPs from you and now that I’ve opened my mind to you and seen how you tick, innovating yourself into the person capable of giving these messages and these lessons?
Well, it’s inspiring ok. I love you and I love people like you and I hope you and your heroism stays immortal. ❤️
It's almost been a year since this video was made and YouTube is still trucking through on that downward spiral, now they're cutting checks and begging "top creators" to stay. I was a YouTube Partner since 2009, then February 2018 rolls around and they decide to end my partnership because they DGAF.
My god. YouTube has become shit. If I could only make one website in my entire life, it would be an alternate version of youtube with a similar algorithm to old youtube. I would call it "BlueTube"
Videos like this are my favorite to watch because they challenge me and they speak from the heart. Finally a YouTuber that doesn’t fear controversy and just says what they think.Without diving too deep into conversations like politics. Thank God the algorithm brought up at least one of the Your videos!
I honestly wanna make YouTube videos for the fun of making something. I wanna talk about my interests. I wanna make people laugh. I wanna do something of my own creation. I don’t care if there’s 4000 or 40 people watching I wanna make stuff. I’m rebranding myself, I tried making classic old school lets plays but they weren’t fun to make to be honest. Instead I wanna make something well written and well edited, and I want to just put my personality out there for the hell of making something and sharing my talents and interests. I wanna bring back the charm of old YouTube through doing something relatively new
@Jordan Thompson I mostly meant it as a joke, but I do think Emp's insane styling is somewhat helpful in his arguments. It brings out his sense of humor, helping reach his audience.
Well I could counter him with that "please subscribe" gripe........ Cause I have seen many YouTubers post there analytics showing 90% or more of people watching there videos not being subscribed...... So he's wrong...... People do need to be reminded to subscribe
same. out of the billion of vids on this site this video is easily in my top 10, I hope Emp makes a 2021 version especially since YT is trying to get rid of the dislike button/ counter
no name lel all it is is just him saying "well youtube is shit and keeps treating you like shit so just keep going!" But I agree with everything else in the video
7:20 this is why the internet is terrible. Just because someone points out that a YouTuber is making bad content and tries to give constructive criticism on how they can improve, people take it way too far and start telling everyone to hate on that YouTuber. Then it gets to the point where everyone hates him so much that they think it’s justified to start physically attacking him (doxxing him, etc.) and none of them think that it’s wrong to do that until the original person who accidentally caused all the hate call them out on it and tell them to stop.
29:37 You know, this also parallels pretty well with YouTubers who does sponsorships. In fact, I'll make exactly that.
It just outstands me how the type of YouTuber would make one of their videos and complain, "Oh my god! How can Disney make so many live-action remakes? How can Nickelodeon make SpongeBob spin-offs despite Hillenburg saying that he never wanted the show to have any? How can Warner Bros. make a Space Jam 2 and have it be an hour long HBO Max ad? How can corporations do things for no other reason than to make money?" Than five minutes later, they're sponsoring ExpressVPN. Can I ask something to you people who actually sponsor ExpressVPN, or Raycon Earbuds, or mobile games with microtransactions and pretend you enjoy the products. How does it feel? How does it feel knowing you're being used as a puppet by jackasses desperate for money who specifically design their products to appeal to more gullible pinheads like you. And how does it feel to realize you're such a predictable simpleton that it works just because of the paycheck they promise you. So go ahead, keep sponsoring shit like ExpressVPN. The shitty products by shitty people who view the people that sponsor their stuff as nothing more than their equivalent of the Geico lizard. Keep giving them attention rather than supporting things that are actually any good. Why do people nowadays give shoutouts to ExpressVPN? Why aren't they're more people shouting out YouTubers with less than 100,000 subscribers or movies and/or shows that they find to be underrated? Oh wait, people try to do that. But it's pointless because their videos get slaughtered in view count by the torrent of vapid, and unstimulating dreck this cite turns out on a daily basis.
11:08 wow, i've never heard of that before and i would LOVE if that were a thing today. So many other social media sites let you see what others have liked, except youtube. Would make finding new content SO much easier, more often than not i'm stuck getting recommended the same stuff over and over.
plus i've watched his btm video all the way through, btm ruins alot things, that's why fantano hated him because he was doing something that he was doing, btm fanboy and girls of 9 years old to 10 years old need to sit their asses down and stay in school!
That's because youtube is becoming a hotspot for children, which I think is where a good deal of this shit stems from. Kids will pretty much watch whatever mindless shit you give them as long as it's entertaining
For the commentary part, at first I thought the content was actually getting better, but I see guys like Sen, Bowblax, Prison Mate Luke, etc. And it reminds me of how content on YouTube is getting worse and worse and how the creators are getting faker and faker. Not all of them are like this, but a majority of them are.
This video literally described all of my thoughts about Youtube to a T. I always loved this website, but I never really liked the idiots who run it. They reward people who covertly advertise their channel and false copyright flag jerks while showing no concern for their viewers and content creators who made them billions. You either die a hero, or you live long enough to become the villain I guess.
Bro, finding new content is so hard these days; even when you actively search for new shit, YouTube will constantly push shit on you that you've already seen.
I gotta be honest, your content is really good background noise. i listened to a lot of your videos while drawing. dont know if your gonna take this as a compliment or an insult lol
When I watch a video and see that it is 30-40 minutes long, I think, "Oh shit, this is going to be boring and drawn-out," but then I say, "Wait, this is an Emp Lemon video. This guy makes good content and explains his point of view in great depth that is both enjoyable and education." So, I sit and watch these long videos and do NOT at all regret a single second. These videos are packed with such depth and emotion that I contently sit through the whole thing, clinging on to every word and watching his point manifest in front of me. It is like a history lecture that bring together the facts that contribute to outcome and makes it so clearly visible that you wonder why this even happened, the facts are right there. Excellent job all around, 10/10
Still a great video, I love revisiting it the way I love revisiting great movies. Thanks Emp, you'll always be one of my favorites... Hey maybe you'll do an update video and revisit the seven reasons again?
I'm starting to feel it's not just Youtube that's starting to feel like television, but the Internet as a whole. Anyone else just notice how we use the 5 or 6 same websites everyday?
If 6 sites have diverse enough content, who's to say that's limiting? How many websites should you use per day to consider the internet non-repetitive? BTW, many more people out there use 1 or 2 sites/day; 6 is actually on the higher end of the scale.
Every single social media site is becoming more and more the same every passing day. I don’t understand why these companies make shit versions of features their competitors already have instead of trying to stand out. I know they are trying to steal users from other social media sites but come on. I highly doubt it’s actually effective.
Well, it has been like this every single year, with the rise of the presence of normies in the internet. What people used to do as owning their own blogging websites, to share with your audience, and forums where you could interact with other people of your same interest, now has been reduced to either being influential enough to lead people to these paths or find these niche websites all by yourself. Probably in the future even sites like newgrounds will be be hidden to obscurity just for another big, bloated social media where once again, posting the same trend over and over probably will make you somewhat famous. It is just a matter of time until this happens, but as a saying goes, everything good has to fade away, and it seems that is the future the internet is heading by.
The silver lining is that the youtube algorithm is picking out great channels for me now, I found this channel by clicking a random video I thought was just a low effort meme and LOW AND BEHOLD your videos are friggen amazing
Jonah Beale I'm amazed by the comments here. All are really passion felt and many of them are paragraphs long. People really care and its great to see the community response as well.
I'm still motivated to do what I've been inspired to do, but I'll be taking a different approach to a few things because of what EmpLemon said. I've been wanting to do a true YTP for a while because of very small Youtuber Poopers that I'm subscribed to, but EmpLemon's remorse over the state of content is pushing me to start making it
Fuck everyone else - you wanna do a YouTube Poop? Then do it! I don't give a shit about the algorithm, I make the YTP's and videos I want at whatever length I want. I don't expect success out of it because that's not why you should be in the YTP game at this point, to be honest. Don't do it for "money", do it for fun.
This ship is sinking. Might as well go all out and have a good time before we drown.
Jonah Beale I think this was the most creative, imaginative inspirational piece I have ever seen in a long time. This is like Colloidal is Crazy's type of content; Quality over quantity
SparkyPrick to be honest I thought it was the other way round. I thought BTM was good and emplemon was the guy ruining the memescape. I'm glad I was proven wrong :)
This video actually makes me want to create something for once... I used to think there was a specific way to do everything.... which led me to being frustrated and stressed and never ending up making anything because I was afraid of taking risks ... but now I'm feeling that I should take the risk... that I should do what I want and do it how I do it. :3
A good start would be a total flush of your sub page, start going out of your way to find small channels that are trying to be unique. If we can get enough people to do so maybe we can make a change.
The way content recommended to YouTube viewers is like if a ton of independent Michelin Star restaurants were, for some freak reason, forced to compete with a fast food chain restaurant for patrons, and swapped their Chef’s Specials with kid’s menus to push the familiar and inoffensive flavors of fried bread and/or unseasoned meat rather than trying to sell the best lobster or steak or stew. If you remove price from the equation, it would seem like people would rather always consume the same food rather than branch out and try something special once in a while.
Could you imagine a world where everything we see, smell, hear, feel, and taste was like the way content is pushed on this site?
I've never had more respect for you than I do now Emp. This is one of the best and most detailed descriptions of what's wrong with this site I've had the pleasure of watching. I try to stay away from shitty TV like videos but the site seems to make it harder and harder. Thanks for making content like this, we need as many people like you on this site as we can get. I wish you luck, and until the dark day that the Adpocolipse takes away all the good channels left on Youtube never give up man.
i seek out commentary videos that are over an hour long on purpose because videos of these lengths are ideal material to listen to while im making art while renewing my brain with new material to think about and compose opinions on certain subjects
That Bit about YouTube Trying so hard to imitate other Platforms just got a lot truer, with the release of YouTube Shorts literally Being a carbon copy of TikTok.
A video that goes specifically well with this one is "Youtube: A System Designed to break you" by NuxTaku. It takes a closer look at the algorith and sheds more light on how it messes with original, genuine content creators trying to make good content while also somehow making end meet. Despite having similar quality to this video, it's criminally underated because the channel usually doesn't talk about deep topics and thus, alienated most of its core audience. I recommend everyone to watch it. Keep the flame burning, educate yourself. As I see it, we owe this to the hard struggling content creators of this patform who've been fighting an uphill battle against their platform for over a decade now. ...just a thought, but would a content creator union be a possibility in any way? That's how employees (try to) limit the power of their employer. It's kind of a similar power dynamic for Youtubers and Youtube, isn't it? I can think of a lot of creator for whom joining this would be a nobrainer. Moist critical has already setup something that's kind of similar to this, even though if it operates mainly in secret.
Maybe I should have a site similar to old YouTube, but with networking. That way, I'd actually have a chance to get a shitload of popular channels without having to do much other than put the work into it.
Ah. The puppet show of Master Cheif and the Arbiter...that shit had atleast 3 seasons when I watched it, and that shit would probably never fly theese days.
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W. James2018-05-15 11:28:30 (edited 2018-05-15 11:29:09 )
You know times were good when reply girls were the worst thing on the site.
I just want to go back to when you could watch a 60% of every season of SpongeBob presented with most of the already 360p video taken up by a still image frame with the episode playing in the corner as a square mask of the actual video with a shifting rainbow filter on top, panning around the frame of the show in a slow, but seemingly-random pattern with the audio phasing between channels and ducking out to mix in a random public domain sound effect every few seconds, and then every 30 to 60 seconds or so having a 5 second ad for a sketchy "watch any movie or tv show for free" website that was always 500% louder than the rest of the audio and so bit crushed to shit from being re-recorded with bandicam from other YouTube videos they had uploaded 500 times before on 500 different accounts that had already been caught and banned that when it screamed into existence on your (either CRT or LCD that could only be viewed within a 2⁰ viewing angle and with your head firmly anchored in place with heavy weights and ratchet straps) screen, each and every speaker, ear drum, window, and hymen within a 75 yard radius would shatter instantly if you didn't catch it and slam down on mute in time.
Watching Matt Koval's announcement about the removal of dislikes, I thought something was off. The spoken words did not match the eyes. The video reminded me of an interview Admiral Jeremiah Denton gave in 1966. I have never seen a less enthusiastic, more reluctant announcement of something that is supposed to be great.
Calling the removal of dislikes a good thing for creators cannot be done without conflict by someone holding the title of "YouTube's Creator Liaison". We know this because there exists not a single YouTube Creator who thinks removing dislikes is a good idea -- for YouTube or for Creators.
Why would YouTube make this universally disliked change? There is a reason, but it's not a good one, and not one that will be publicly disclosed. Instead, there will be references to various studies. Studies that apparently contradict the common sense of every YouTuber.
The ability to easily and quickly identify bad content is an essential feature of a user-generated content platform. Why? Because not all user-generated content is good. It can't be. In fact, most of it is not good. And that's OK. The idea was never that all content is good. The idea WAS, however, that among the flood of content, there are great creations waiting to be exposed. And for that to happen, the stuff that's not great has to fall by the side as quickly as possible.
The process works, and there's a name for it: the wisdom of the crowds. The process breaks when the platform interferes with it. Then, the platform invariably declines. Does YouTube want to become a place where everything is mediocre? Because nothing can be great if nothing is bad.
In business, there's only one thing more important than "Make it better". And that's "Don't fuck it up".
Been making the rounds on your content over the weekend and you've gotta have the most based music taste on YouTube, no one else would have the balls to drop multiple ELP tracks in a single video
this is somehow inspiring, it makes me want to create a way to go back to old youtube or something like that, i kinda wanna make my own platform that was something like old youtube or even something better. idk ill have to think about it more.
It's like anything else. The bigger something gets, the more corporate it gets. The more corporate something gets, the more it gets sanitized. The more sanitized something gets, the more everything looks the same.
It was like this for the internet as a whole, too. Every content creator had their own website until hubs started to form. Then everyone went to those hubs until social media took over. Now, everybody just spends all their time on YouTube, Twitter, Reddit, etc. There's no point in venturing beyond those corrals because everything they want is provided to them without having to forage anymore. The downside is that it's nearly impossible to draw any new audiences in to your content because everyone already has 4-5 places they go to on a regular basis; no sense expending any more effort looking for stuff.
I had a website back in the late '90s/early '00s. Was it revolutionary in its content? Of course not - just a bunch of video game reviews and stuff about game shows. I developed a circle of friends from that site, though, relationships I still have to this day. I just don't see how you can build that sort of community anymore. Everything's an ocean now, and if you're just a single fish in that ocean, nobody's going to notice you. I tried doing a YouTube channel back in the late '00s, but it's hard to get up the motivation when you look around and see that other people are able to produce better (or at least more polished) content on a more regular basis. Sure you can say you're doing it just for fun, but eventually if you're not getting the validation there's no point in putting yourself out there.
The most galling thing about all this is that to older generations, this sort of sanitization of the internet is exactly what they want. Not too long ago I had a conversation with my dad about the internet, and he envisioned precisely the kind of landscape we see today, where all your information and content come from a relatively limited number of approved outlets, rather than the Wild West landscape there was 20 years ago. And he looked at it as a good thing, because it meant the grown-ups had control. Well, this is what happens when the grown-ups have control: they stifle creativity and just churn out quantity over quality.
And the more everything looks the same, the more ripe it is to be replaced. Tiktok grew 300% last quarter, and Twitch is still rising. Youtube though, is at half of its peak popularity according to trends (despite their psycho expansion to other countries) and continually falling. The top site always seems unbeatable until it has bled enough that it starts stumbling. Just like AOL and Myspace.
I think its ironic that your comment has less likes and replys than all the other comments because of the length of yours put people off. The whole point of the video is to be more mindful when using this website and people don't even bother reading the long comments. This type of comment represents the idea of what the video was trying to talk about; you put actual thought into your comment and it gets seeped under the rug by other "old you tube was so great." Your comment represents old youtube when you actually had to put thought and creativity to get noticed, now you get less recognition just because of the length something has to be to express your thoughts. Seeing this video makes me want to stop watching youtube because now I feel as if i'm feeding into some corrupt system that only wants my ad time and that's how bullshit youtube is, and I haven't even been on this platform for long enough to experience the gory days of youtube. I'm really glad you made this comment and if you see this, I would love to talk about this in better detail and Thank You.
The internet, along with everything else in the pop culture for most people, went downhill because everyone and their mother decided that stating their political opinions was more important than entertaining people. People understood what the entertainment industry was all about (it's in the name of course) but when BLM started in 2013 and when Trump was elected in 2016, everything became part of a ridiculous culture war that doesn't help anything and only serves to make people depressed. I'm not saying that politics isn't important but there's a time and a place for it and we shouldn't expect every living celebrity and entertainer to publicly take part in that discourse.
i love your vids and apreciate the hard work and editing you make. i don't care how long they are, for me it just matters if i like them. this is one of the best channels i've come across .
The ideal world for is that YouTube stayed as it was in the early 2010s/ late 2000s, I miss the memories of watching ytps and other channels and many of my old favourite channels and videos are either gone off the face of the earth or have gotten so bad and homogenized that I dont even want to look at them anymore. (To make it all short I want old YouTube back and hate how horrible youtube is today)
@Matthew Champlain Thank you fucking thank you for your comment. I bet most of the young teens or children using the site pretend to be seen as "adult-oriented" or even "mature" to look cool yet they can't even comphrened or believe the golden state of YouTube back in 2008.
I remember I once watched the "drinking out of cups" vid after my friend recommended it to me (for anyone ootl drinking out of cups was a viral video of an animation of a lizard while a guy was rambling, it turned out to be from a music album, but everyone believed it was a guy high on lsd in his closet, we believed it was an insane asylum patient) and I laughed so hard at that I couldn't sleep because my stomach hurt so much. Viral videos used to be fucking amazing.
We'd be lucky if YouTube even considered taking the criticism their getting, not only from you but also from the countless others who have pointed out the flaws.
Granted I'm not the most sin-free viewer by your metrics, but when I watch a gaming channel, it's because they're good at a game I'm interested in, doing things I can't do myself. Alternatively, it's to find out if a game I might get is worth buying, because Youtube isn't the only thing on a Downward Spiral. And yeah, I do tend to watch reaction videos- of things I've ACTUALLY SEEN so I can enjoy someone else's first encounter with something I like. I don't understand people who consume media for the first time via reactors.
Thank you so much for this video it's giving me the push to start the channel I've been too shy to work on. Also, in defense of WatchMojo, while I do hate all the celebrity vids they do have a lot of content related to science, technology, videogames, and other nerdy shit. Your channel rocks, Emp!!
None of this video contain anything political really, just anger against YouTube. Even then your alright mate, just do not think everything is political
Remember what keemstar did, he kept attacking pyro for no reason, and took it so far he said he was dating a 13 year old french girl, calling him a furry, and posting PRIVATE photos of pyro's face when pyro didn't show his face.
That's not where my issues came in, as i'm not a fan of PC culture in terms of suppressing abrasive art. My issues are claiming that "JonTron said nothing wrong and was just speaking his mind" (buying into borderline racist garbage /pol/ makes up and parroting it is NOT speaking your mind) and buying into the bullshit non-existent "liberal media" meme (There's almost no real American left at all, its either centrist, center of right or so fucking far right, it fell off the cliff entirely). Everything else Lem said I 100% agree with
there's plenty of left. Look at social media and mainstream media. They are not an insignificant part of the culture. It seems that you're so immersed in it you just think it's the default.
Also Emplemon said he got crucified for speaking his mind, not that what he said was "nothing wrong". Watch the video.
+GasmaskAvenger "(buying into borderline racist garbage /pol/ makes up and parroting it is NOT speaking your mind)" He wasn't literally being racist. He was joking and got taken out of context.
let me just say that as someone whose probably a normie I really appreciate this content. so many others i'm subscribed to have lost what made them special due to algorithm changes and whatnot. Keep going strong bro
God I wish I was older so I could've been a YouTuber during the old era, I have so many ideas but low motivation to actually put them to work due to the state of modern day YouTube. It's like, why even bother anymore. It sucks.
@Delta Nwachukwu I'm 19 now, finally feel somewhat like I know who I am as a person. In the past I was still unsure of myself, and now that I'm sure the opportunity has passed me by, and I'm just sitting here wishing time travel existed...
My man, I agree with a lot of the general points of this video, but the scandal that JonTron was in around 2017 is not a good example for the point of creators ‘not being allowed to speak their mind.” I agree that creators should generally have a higher degree of open communication with their audience than they do right now, but JonTron said things along the lines of ‘America should stay majority-white’ and other vile shit. Not a great example of “unjustified canceling” or whatever.
The worst part is that no one disagrees. I could scroll for ages and nobody would even try to refute this. Everyone here agrees with this, but it doesn't matter because in the end, we are nothing before the bigger man, the advertizers, politicians, investors, etc. They don't care how wrong they are as long as it brings in money.
I was genuinely taken aback when he mentioned the date of the video, because he talked about all the same points that are causing trouble today. This video is timeless.
I see it never changing. Youtube became TV because TV works. At least there's niche bubbles of quality, even if they won't get the attention they deserve
this applies to every media nothing special. Music and Film have sucked so much in the mainstream like how YouTube suffered right now and I don't think it would changed. Independent content creators making genuine content are just buried by mainstream media which is disgusting
It’s kind of crazy that the whole Behind the Meme situation is what caused EmpLemon to change his whole discography of content, although completely reasonable.
Youre comment is a little bit confusing so I am going to respond to it a few ways
-"I love how these people dont like gamegrumps make 30min videos, but watch through EMPS 40 minute video" One is filled with shitty gameplay and the other filled with a great script and editing.
"I love how people get mad at lemon for making a long video, then sit through a 40minute exposed! video" I agree. :)
Yet somehow it got worse. I just have to wonder why is Youtube THAT incompetent, the only saving grace is we don't have Youtube Heroes, but coming up with that idea alone is baffling.
So? Why don't we actually do something about this? Our culture at least realizes when some things are "bad", but ignores others. A simple change that happened recently that absolutely nobody talked about, was the change of the layout of the site, changing it to look like a complete carbon copy of google plus. I expected there to be an outcry, at least something about what the change meant on a business perspective, but no. Everyone just went along with it, constantly rewatching the same, boring, shitty content, and thought the site was perfect that way, even though it looked the exact same as something people actually took a stand to leave from, because they recognized it was bad.
My answer? Let the site die. Seriously. The main problem with this site, is that it's run by a megacorporation, AKA google, unlike its early days when it was at the very least, run by smaller corporations that actually cared about what their smart users, or users that weren't 5 actually cared about. The problem with megacorporations, is that they don't care what or who they have to step over to get even more money, although they're already one of, if not the richest company on the planet. They realize two things, and both of these are the only things keeping youtube alive right now:
1. Younger audiences: Youtube/google knows that a large amount of younger audiences watch videos on the site, and gooutube knows that parents of those younger audiences prefer showing their children something to distract them long enough for them to do something important, like go shopping, drive, ect, and go livid when they see something that makes a child think about life, things like seeing death, (Animals hunting other animals, smart shows and movies that show a character die, or a "scary" monster, ect) or watching things dealing with sex or other biological functions, even though they'll get those feelings eventually, but won't have any knowledge or anything on the topic, and won't know a thing about themselves, what they like, or what even to do safely, because parents nowadays just want their children wrapped in a protective bag, filled with nothing but flashy videos, "funny emoji compilations" and so on.
So instead of making a separate site, or using community feedback to change some things to make videos for younger audiences, youtube & google decided to make all content safe for children, even though a majority of their users are at least older than 16, and want something other than "99.9% OF HUMANS CAN'T DO THIS WITH FIDGET SPINNERS FT. ELSA AND SPIDERMAN PLEASE SUBSCRIBE AND LIKE AND SUBSCRIBE" all day every day, and want to be able to think, and actually do something, and support real people making real content that they actually put effort into. If a content creator has one swear in their video, you might as well kiss them goodbye, as youtube/google will make sure they never get an add on one of their videos ever again. Oh, your favorite content creator actually made something shorter than 10 minutes? Might as well have a will written, as their content isn't long enough for their target audience anymore, no more ad revenue for them! Oops, a content creator used 0.001 too long of copyrighted footage in their video, that's a suicide note for the channel, as whoever had the footage to begin with will take down the video, channel, and all the money that creator got from their videos. "Sorry about that :/"
2: They haven't got a clue how society changes in our time: Now that its being owned by a megacorporation, youtube has thrown everything that made it successful out the window. Every animator, ytper, review channel, and anything else that actually needed to have people with braincells to use, is all dead, or at least, nearly there. Instead, youtube & google thought it was a good idea to capitalize on the "bandwagon" that is today's culture. Everything else is simplified? Make it a rule that content has to be carbon copy able, repetitive, bland, and unoriginal. "Gotta stay kool & Hip with those kidz nowadays, this is what 20 year olds talk like, right? Oh wait, they all lied about their ages when making accounts, and are all between the ages of 5 and 15? Let's not change what we got here, we got a good thing going." Everything seems to revolve around memes, fads, and technology? "Quick, we need to change the algorithm to be sure that we stay fresh, only suggest popular videos, not anything older than 3 weeks, who cares if we kill a bunch of channels and ideas in the process, we just need our money now!"
Once again, a megacorporation doesn't have a clue about culture and society, although there are a ton of memes that come and go, the whole thing will eventually fade out, leaving youtube without anything. Somethings are permanent, such as animators and review channels, because there will always be a need for those, people to talk about society as it changes, and talk about how good, or bad things were. Animators as well, as they add creativity back into whatever they post their animations on, as they generally make people think, either about how funny something is, about how weird certain things are, or about how we need to stand up to certain things. If youtube should be supporting anything, it should be those types of channels, as they actually will continue once these things die down. But, youtube, oh wait, I mean google, the company that owns youtube nowadays, only cares about money and add revenue, whatever gets newer people onto the site is all they care about, may as well forget about the older days of youtube, when all you needed was creativity, and an idea, not some mindless concoction that will be forgotten about in a week because something even newer, flashier, and dumber shows up.
And now, we reach the end. What can we do to stop this? Nothing. The only thing we can do, is let the site die, and take care of itself. Eventually, the children the site is pandering to right now will grow up, and want more mature content. Because of the way youtube/google handled the site in our time, there won't be any mature content left, or only a small amount. People will leave the site, which is inevitable, this happens with everything all the time. What we could do, as a community of likeminded people, either animators, ytpers, or even the people who watch the content, is devise our own site, one that fills the niche of the old, pre google youtube, one where people don't have to be silenced due to big brother google wanting children to use the site. One that supports its small channels the same it would support its big channels, to be sure new ideas, and creativity is still being shown, and pushed. There's no need to try to save youtube, as there's no saving it. It's run its course, as all fads do. Although its mimicking TV as a way to out compete it, there's no way it can compete with television, at least not the way it is now. And hey, youtube/google may finally realize some day, that what their doing isn't right, both for the original content creators, the generation that they will have singlehandedly ruined, or their own business. But mark my words, for them to realize that is the day pigs begin to fly, mankind invents the flying car, and we land something onto the sun.
And the worst part is, nobody is going to read this. Nobody is going to understand the importance of this paragraph. Hell, even if it gets like 3 likes, enough to get to the bottom of the comment section, nobody's going to go and read all the way down there. Reading is for nerds nowadays, nobody reads things like these anymore. But you know, there is at least a chance, an almost insignificant one, but a chance I may be able to get this paragraph read, and noticed. Someone may see this and go, "You know, he's right. Maybe we should just abandon ship, find a new place, as its the smartest thing to do right now." But it won't. I don't mind, but it won't. That's just the facts as they are
EDIT: Okay so I guess people are sentient enough to actually sit down and take the time to read this, so disregard the last paragraph
Sadly that won't happen because like was said most of the viewers are Kids or completely brain dead. People with the competence to just let it die, would not have an impact. Unless you mean we just watch it's downwards spiral into trash TV. In which case aren't we already doing that?
+The Gunslinger I was referring to us making another video service, one that caters to users who actually have a brain, while the rest of the youtube users can watch their content while it slowly dies over the course of as soon as like in the video, 5 years or so. Basically, I meant that us users with brains would need to abandon ship, and swim to shore, before the boat sinks
+Xavier Horn Uh, I just read this, and while my brain hurts, I think you did a good job. But we all know we're not going to abandon ship just yet, because...well...where would we go? Vimeo? Dailymotion? None of those will ever reach such heights as YouTube. Well, maybe they eventually might, but it would take a while.
well,that's right. Youtube's worst mistake was to make the site a huge kid's sandbox. Really,most of youtube's users are kids nowadays,and youtube seems to be absolutely ok with it. Why? Because kids are kids,you can give to them whatever the fuck you want (at the condition that it is "*family friendly*) and they'll enjoy it, even if it's made with the least efgord possible,and that's what google exactly wanted from youtube, earn money as fast as possible with the lowest amount of effort possible. Now,that the adpocalypse happened, youtube is trying to piss off the channels that are supposed to entertain people above 9 years old, and this is the end of the original youtube,of how it used to be
+Fletcher Reed Although financially I can not right now, what I proposed was to make a new site in general, one that specifically caters to "outsiders" such as animators, newer content creators, ytpers (Although it would have to be called something else, since they aren't on youtube anymore) and so forth. It makes it easier, and better for those people to find a living. Besides revenue collected from some sources, you could donate directly to the people you watch, and a like or view would actually mean something, as opposed to here on youtube
Is there a way to favourite comments? Because fuck me, that was probably the most accurate analysis of this website that I've ever read. Everyone boycott YouTube Google and head over to Vimeo, I've heard they could do with some more viewers...
"Why is the comment too long? Why can't you just surmise your analytical and deeply detailed comment into something even a 3rd grader will understand? Why can't you just pander to the majority who would rather be unchallenged and entertained?"
Xavier Horn My god, I agree with you. I want to change things, I'm sick and tired of YouTube and Society. They have become desensitized to everything and yet try to censor. Although having our own site will be extremely difficult because there will be no incentive to actually go to that site. "What is this site doing that YT isn't?" is the main problem and having Exclusive Content seems to be the best choice but then again you'll have to pay for it and even then it may not suit the styles of the majority. Honestly, YT will never die out and we can't do anything at least at the moment...
Poison Dart You really think they'll do anything about it though? Not to shoot down your idea or anything, because there's a small chance they could actually listen, but the last time I recall something similar happening (cough GradeAUnderA's"Make YouTube Great Again" movement cough), Youtube Google did fuck all. The only result was Grade's inflated ego because his hashtag got mentioned in a tweet.
If all the gaming channels move to twitch they will not only make more money but 50% of youtube's ad milking will be completely gone. It'll send them a message and give us an easier time of jumping ship to a new site.
+Tajealos Exactly my point. From past experiences we know youtube/google to have done absolutely nothing, (In some cases make it even worse) in response to anyone trying to convince youtube to save itself. I thought about making another site, but several people commenting here are correct, both Twitch and Newgrounds likely would be good enough to either evolve into the next youtube, or allow us to survive until the next site that is hospitable comes around
Yeah, this won't happen. YouTube's got all this history and if we tried to create a new site that was like the old YouTube, we'd still not have the same content as YouTube has.
You know why Youtube is on a downward spiral. Money. The fucking second Youtube started paying people when they made videos on this site is when it all became like The Simpsons. Creativity went down and people have no other choice because they make money no matter how bad they do on a video. Getting sick of this shit.
+Xavier Horn, I totally agree but we need a plan if we want to do anything. I suggest we make a page somewhere, like redit, where we gain traction and plan further. We will need emp's, as well as others with influence, help to cast a net over as many outsiders and good content creators as possible without getting many of the YouTube scum. Then, once we get enough people on board, we can move to a site like twitch, as we wait for a new website, and use tags (like [YT]Namegoeshere) to find each other and so we don't disturb the website. How we would make short videos and comment on them on twitch, I do not know. In the meantime, if a new site takes to long to surface we can start a campaign on a site like kick starter. Of course this is only an idea, but a good place to start.
MageBurger I hope that Newgrounds will keep being relevant, I'm some way or another, I watched this video yesterday and now I realized that Newgrounds is the better option for someone like me who's going into animation, compared to YouTube, since I would probably never get noticed anyway.
top 10 anime plot twists: this comment gets the top comment, and i read the whole thing. should we abandon ship and find a new site? maybe? yes? we just need a site that's stable enough to handle lengthy and high quality videos
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Tusk in Radar2017-08-17 19:54:15 (edited 2017-08-17 19:55:50 )
Xavier Horn unfortunately it seems in our day and age, Corporate culture has infected most all forms of media, whether it be youtube and other streaming sites or networks of TV, Videogames, Movies, even Weebo Garbage (that i very much enjoy) etc. It seems as though the struggle of the thinking peoples of society, or just those who aren't so inept that they can't crave deeper content, is to simply work for your enjoyment, with the garbage drowning out what good there is, the burden is placed on us to hunt for the quality ourselves, because in the case of YT dying in a few years or so down the line, YT is just the surface behind the problem, it's just the face of corporate corruption, which seems to be almost an inevitable eventuality for most forms of media, and so if some golden savior of quality were to come around, their success would likely eventually corrode back to where we are now with corporate culture decaying good content, so on and so forth for eternity.
The only real way to work around this is to do the heavy lifting of hunting for that content we all desire so deeply for ourselves, costs too much time money and energy for the souless husks of businessmen uptop to want to do that for us anymore (if they ever really did in the first place)
Great, admirable article. I assume you are self aware.
Of course we can't do anything, that's why we never see paragraphs the length (I'm considering this as an article) of my friend's writing exam final. We keep it to ourselves and watch it play out, while also knowing whatever we say will be blown away like sand in the desert. I'm glad you shared your thoughts
You're saying let this site die and this site "doesn't know how society changes in our time" and "It's run by kids" Here are my counterarguments:
1. Were are just a minority of people who can actually think independently, there's more of them than us, this site wouldn't've flourished if THEY, sheeple, extroverts were the minority.
2. This site will continue on growing. As this site gets more popular, more sheeple and extroverts and kids will come here than ever before, because "Hey! It's where all of the other people are, so it must be good", it's JUST like the snowball effect. The YouTubers won't go anywhere since most of their core audiences are here and will not be willing to move.
3. YouTube doesn't know how society changes, but the content creators do. I don't think it's YouTube who's creating the content, but the society, the thing YouTube "doesn't understand." If something on YouTube changes, people will adapt to it. And continue on with their lives. Hell, look how many changes YouTube has gone through and it's still better than ever before, it's only going to keep on expanding.
SUMMARY: YouTube will most likely not die out and will continue on flourishing with the "snowball effect", bringing in more kids and more sheep. And if by the off chance it would, if people would move to somewhere like Vimeo, the revenue would be multiple times worse than that on YouTube and would probably have to get a job and upload less frequently or just quit entirely. YouTube is the best video streaming site and will probably stay that way for a long time, even with it's multiple flaws.
Great comment. Alright boys it's official, we have to let this site burn. Like all good things that we once loved we have to say goodbye. Maybe pornhub will take Emp's content.
As a 24-year-old white male in 2017, growing up after the housing bubble and living in the shitty economic times that we do now, it's really hard to not think of the end result when making videos. Just knowing that I won't grow in any significant way, and seeing everyone else be so much more popular than I can probably ever hope to achieve, destroys any drive I might have to create videos. If I'm not spending time dedicated to a 9-5 job, it feels like a waste.
I love youtube, I really do. I've been using it primarily for entertainment for years. However, what you said is true. It's just time to sit back and let this site slowly eliminate itself because of its own greed. There's no saving it at this point, they aren't going to listen to what we say. As long as they're making money from all of this advertiser friendly content that's just spoon fed to children, they have no reason to.
Xavier Horn Honestly, I couldn't agree more. YouTube -- I mean, Google won't change on its own. WE have to start a new site. As you said, YouTube is beyond saving.
We need to start a new site, and ditch this one, if we start something new, than we can do whatever we want. We don't even have to pay anyone. If we do this, we will have complete control over the site, and we could make just like old YT, No one can stop us.
The thing is... how can we make a competitor to youtube? We would need to organize a mass exodus with all the users, and it would require the support of all the channels, and we would need a site able to handle that.
We can't, but if it gets to be more bullshit than what we can tolerate, or as OP said, loses touch with its younger fans as they grow up, Youtube will fall out of favor. From that point, it's just a matter of someone passable stepping up to the plate, and woosh. Cycle begins anew, maybe better overall next time.
I started watching youtube videos back in 2007-2008 when I was a tiny little kid. I always enjoyed gaming content. All we had at the time was a Wii so Super Smash Bros Brawl was the coolest thing for me at the time. I watched whatever came up when I searched "super smash bros brawl". Whatever came up on the side of the video would be something original, interesting, unique, and I was always fascinated to see whatever was on the site. These were just videos put up from a guy who would pick up his camera and start recording. Not only did I find the entertainment side of youtube, but I also found the technical side. Finding an easy video tutorial for a video game was the best. Sometimes I would even watch the youtuber's series of tutorials or them playing through a whole game. It was then that I got into lets plays. Keep in mind that these weren't what you think today when you hear "lets play". They didn't even have a custom thumbnail, an intro or even the uploader saying "subscribe". It was just random kids fucking around in a video game with their friend while commentating, and I loved it. I was inspired. When I got my first youtube channel (about 2 or 3 years later) I started filming my dog, my video games and anything I wanted to show to the world. I didn't care about views, all I cared about was putting fun content out. Over time youtube started becoming unhealthily ad focused, and as I got a new channel and started uploading gaming videos, I noticed changes. Standards were being made. Youtube seemed alot less person oriented, and probably the biggest red flag was the removal of "broadcast yourself" from the logo. There was a shift occuring, youtube saw an opportunity, and this is when the focus towards ads started taking action, however I was still little and I enjoyed any content following my favorite topics. Only until 2015, was when I noticed problems. This site was stale as fuck. Luckily, channels like Leafy, Pyro, keemstar, Idubbz, H3h3, and filthy frank were on the rise. They were something different. maybe because I'm "edgy" but they appealed to me. They were shifted towards an older audience, and like EmpLemon stated regarding old youtube, they weren't afraid to blast their opinion. This is probably when I fell back into youtube, and enjoyed all the "drama" that unfolded. Some say it was bad at the time, but it did create excitement, which was what I was interested in. When adpocalypse shutdown people from not being "kid friendly" it think that's what caused the final "kick" that made youtube a shithole again. Not that it wasn't terrible, but do they need to keep digging the hole deeper? what's next? Of course, what do I know? I'm just some clueless guy on his computer. God, that rant felt good.
I can't agree with you more, I've always thought that there is no way to fix this fuckin site and it needs to die, I'm sure something else can replace it, all big corporations don't give a flying fuck about anything except money and ways they can make it faster, that's just how all big corporations are... Valve, Google, and a lot of the AAA Gaming companies don't give a fuck about quality, its just about the money despite the fact that they are some of the richest people on the planet.
Hey Patwizard, I produce gaming content (see channel name). As an outsider, which you clearly are, I'd like for you to take a look at my channel and tell me if its bad. (Actually I wouldn't mind if other outsiders would take a sec and look at my channel) Because the last thing I want to do is put out normified content. I want to make good stuff. I know my style won't be the same as that which you watched in 2008 but if you wouldn't mind just giving me some comparative insight between my channel, other gaming channels today, and those from the good ol days.
Maybe we should make an alliance of video sites, called the "Central Powers" of Video Sites. That way, this alliance can invade sites that are slowly dying (PocketMovies?) and then involve a war where we could possibly end all of these years of YouTube's horribleness forever. Or at least until someone fucks it up again.
Unknow0059 # we don't need everyone to leave. Users don't need to leave the site completely, they can upload on both sites or stay here. they don't have to move, and we don't need everyone to move, only the people who want to
rllok, while what you're saying is true, we should keep in mind that we need a strong force of not just quality but a decent amount of numbers to make something work. Really what we need is a webpage where we (and by we I mean outsiders) can all brainstorm solutions to get rid of this epic disaster
Brawlukk Gaming I agree, I think that we need a decent amount of quality workers to work on this. But my question is about how we will acquire a webpage for discussion, maybe we can start a page on Reddit or something like that
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Jackson Wesel2017-08-18 05:12:42 (edited 2017-08-18 05:14:27 )
rllok that may be a good idea, but there's two things. One: I'm not good at that stuff. I'm only good at video making/editing. Two how do we get enough people to get together at the same time and focus? I could maybe make a video on my channel if we got a webpage going and I could try to pull people into it, but I'm a small channel and hardly anyone would see it.
+Voult Bioy I believe I can answer each of those counterarguments, at least it isn't some mindless comment about youtube being the god of video services
1. My point exactly, people in history have always had minorities, people from different cultures that live(d) in places with a majority of another culture, scientists and artists have (had) different ideas on how to make certain things, or how things got to different places and the like, and now, differing likes for types of content. I wasn't meaning that we make a site for the majority, as there are plenty of sites and places in the world for them to do that already. I was suggesting something more like a hobby, a site where animators can upload videos and perhaps even make a profit, or film/game/tv reviewers can have a place to do it safely, unlike here on gootube. Historically, "outsiders" like us, have always had to make their own places, or do their own things separately from the "normies". People are going to have a cow when I say this, but take Jews that were in Europe historically. A majority of the people living in Europe were Christians, either Catholic and otherwise, and Jews had to put up with being mistreated by Christians, that believe(d) they were right (Which I am NOT going to get into, as I do not want this comment train to derail into which religion is the right religion).
2. You're right about this site continuing to grow, in fact, that's necessary to the point I was making. Like you put it, this site is in the snowball effect right now, where it is rolling down a mountain, collecting more and more snow as it goes on. Eventually though, even the highest mountain has a bottom, and once a snowball hits the bottom, it can only roll for so much longer, as it is no longer gaining momentum, not even mentioning the chance of the snowball landing on a surface on the mountain or getting stuck. Eventually, even the biggest things, both on the internet and real life, have an end. Gootube right now is nowhere near close to the bottom, or anything to snag on (Sadly), but it will eventually. It's better to at least have the option for people to be able to have their content elsewhere, so once it does hit the bottom, probably years from now, they can still be seen, or have at least some attention. And even then, TV is another good example of this. TV has had its ups and downs over the years, right now it is stable, perhaps declining a tiny bit more because of the internet. TV historically went through that snowball effect like crazy, in the US it was an increasingly common household item, and people were inspired by it, either went out to do good things because of it (Or bad things), or wanted to become an actor, but when the internet came around, specifically sites like the old YouTube, TV started declining again, for the reasons stated in the video, why would you pay to watch shows that aren't even good, when for free you can watch better content made by real people. TV continued its decline until it finally picked up a bit more momentum when it got creative again, people had a reason to go and buy cable, which jumpstarted what we like to call "Gootube TV/Kids". Not going to go more indepth on this one unless people want me to, but that's when Gootube started to get worse than it was in my opinion.
3. Exactly my point, Gootube hasn't the slightest clue on who to support and put in the limelight. Take a channel like Behind the Meme for instance, Gootube likes their content indirectly because he abuses a few important things on most of his videos:
Easily replicated Kid friendly Loyalty free music
The only thing he's missing is making them around 10 minutes long (Which I shudder to think about). Gootube also thinks things like the toy channels, and spiderman x elsa channels are fine for the same reasons. Since a lot of children lie about their age when making their accounts, Gootube thinks that 16-21 year olds actually like that kind of content, even though people very clearly within that age group in real life hate it. Take someone like Pewdiepie, who still is a large gootuber. A lot of people liked him, so gootube gave him a show, supported him, gave him a lot of stuff, and so on. But when those videos came out, (I feel like I don't have to explain, we all know what I mean) Gootube jumped on the bandwagon to make sure they didn't loose money for having an apparent "racist" being supported on their site, although they knew him from the start, and likely knew it was a joke in poor taste, thus leading us to the censorship we now have to deal with today.
And one last note, the ending to your statement is actually misguided, I have yet to check it yet, but I'm fairly confident that if one were to move to Twitch, they'd actually make more money than they would here on Gootube, especially if gootube tried to censor/block their revenue from going to them. Ask +SpencerAnimatics, as they were the one to give me the information
+Dead GamΞr I have yet to fact check it, so it could be wrong (Like almost everything on the internet nowadays), but you would actually make more money by using Twitch rather than gootube, not mentioning the added censorship and lack of add revenue channels would get. You probably weren't around at that point, but the original YouTube wasn't about getting money. It was a place where people could upload videos, talk about things, and the like. It became the way we know it now, once money was added, as people now (And when money was added) thought it was an easy way to get free money, which Gootube is supporting. There's no point in trying to save the old YouTube, as Gootube has become the only thing left, only a shell of what YouTube used to stand for.
And to answer your last response, take a look at G+ right now, and tell me if the text and layout of the comment section looks any different from the text and layout of G+. It's almost the exact same, and Gootube knows that. They're trying to force feed you G+, on the only service they know people will use. There's no need for hate, I just thought people would have noticed that. And hey, if you like the layout, there's nothing wrong with that, enjoy it. Just remember a site that looked eerily similar to the layout/text got tons and tons of hate while Gootube does the same thing and has absolutely no repercussions
Brawlukk Gaming true, but I think the closest we'll get to having an actual webpage, would be using google sites. Than all we need are people willing to do shit and focus.
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Jackson Wesel2017-08-18 14:53:15 (edited 2017-08-18 14:54:22 )
rllok we might as well give it a shot and start while we can. U know how to set that up? I have a feeling people will slowly start to help us. Remember Emplemon talking about how Filthy Frank was only praised by a small fringe minority who craved more mature content, but a year later he became a much larger influence on YT? This could be a parallel to that scenario. Also I'm suggesting that we give this a shot, because I'm not one to just talk about things; I try to get them done.
+Xavier Horn Not really gonna argue with you on that last part. The only reason I said that was just as a shitty joke, anyway. The only reason I do enjoy it is because of the dark theme, and literally nothing else.
But yes, you do have a great point with how YouTube was originally never about money (I was around for that, but I was in my late years of elementary, so I don't really remember very well). Thing is, though, there's not another platform to which we can move if we want to simply upload videos. Yes, we do have... uh... well, I'll get back to you on some examples, but there aren't many public video sharing websites that are as popular as YouTube (Gootube? GooTube? G+Tube? Ah, forget it), and that may be a major roadblock in being able to enjoy watching videos in the same way that we enjoyed watching YouTube.
+rllok Really? Post a link, I want to see it! Maybe we can spread the word, it won't compare to gootube in terms of making money, but we can at least make an effort to provide a safe, non-censored place for animators, film reviewers, and ytpers
Xavier Horn that's great n all but lets just see what he's got before we get everybody's hopes up. We'll check out this thing and chat about it among the few of us for a while. When we feel the time is right we'll fully let it out of the bag and start to gather more followers. But the last thing we need right now is a mass exodus of sheep and a few men who know nothing about shepherding trying to lead them all.
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Jackson Wesel2017-08-21 03:55:39 (edited 2017-08-21 03:57:11 )
Xavier Horn what time zone r u guys in btw? its midnight where I am. I gonna "GO TO BED" rn actually
Brawlukk Gaming ok, all we need is Xavier Horns email, and thank you for subs, I subbed back
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Jackson Wesel2017-08-23 03:18:40 (edited 2017-08-23 03:19:21 )
rllok sounds good and thx SOOO much, but I start school tomorrow and I must sleep. Thanks again for the subs and I hope Xavier Horn replies soon. How about we also move our conversation to the website discussion room in the future?
+rllok Someone will probably have to send it to me, as I did not see anything that enabled me to send it. Probably just add spaces to the letters in the URL and share it here, so others can see as well
You know, he's right. Maybe we should just abandon ship, find a new place, as its the smartest thing to do right now.
In all seriousness, I agree with you 100%, good sir.
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Jackson Wesel2017-08-24 00:15:19 (edited 2017-08-24 00:16:42 )
Master of Nothing I want you to read this post I made about that topic on a new website that was just created by rllok. If you could get him to email the link to you, you could read it and let me know what you think. But we need people like you to help us with this situation! THE SHIP IS SINKING!!!
I'm not sharing the link for two reasons:
1.) It's not my place.
2.) I want to keep it a strictly outsider website.
It's really just a vicious cycle, people won't leave YouTube, meaning a creator leaving would be a death sentence which means they make more content for this site which again keeps viewers here
+WaTcHdOg TeRmInAtEd Probably just to remind parents that "Hey! You want something for your kids? Well bring em in, let them watch whatever!" So parents will naturally assume that the entire site is meant for kids, and then bring in the add revenue. Again, they're competing with TV (Which they're bound to lose) so they also would have to have another site to upload things for children literally less than 5 years old.
" even though a majority of their users are at least older than 16, and want something other than '99.9% OF HUMANS CAN'T DO THIS WITH FIDGET SPINNERS FT. ELSA AND SPIDERMAN PLEASE SUBSCRIBE AND LIKE AND SUBSCRIBE' all day every day, and want to be able to think..." You're giving 16 year-olds -- no, humanity in general -- a little bit too much credit there.
Hey guys i just found this amazing comment, don't worry I can now keep track of the replies and express my opinions now that I've replied. For now I'll just lend my ears to you.
I completely agree with your sentiment on children's "protective bag". Children perhaps shouldn't be shocked or shown things that may disturb them before they can understand, but if they are sheltered completely these things - like death, sex, and every more specific form of difficult or serious human experience - will hit them like a frying pan to the face. I wouldn't be surprised if it contributes to depression... especially along with the responsibilities and expectations burdened at an earlier age.
Classic children's literature didn't shy away from death, and suffering, and fear. It wasn't Game of Thrones, but giving a rounded idea of life's experiences is important.
This probably been said by a lot of people, but I like to point this out. The only way I can TRULY see all of this happening is that the big shots that made youtube, finally leave. Then create a domino effect where all the others follow. All it takes is Pewdiepie to say [Snaps finger] "I'm not doing Youtube anymore", and everything will start falling into place slowly. Especially if there's a true rival to match up to not just youtube's ways, but THE CLASSIC way of Youtube. I'm talking going all out. Bringing back custom features in pages, streams sharing videos with your friends. Add that with streaming? Networks can still do their thing, but there's hardly NO restrictions like classic Youtube had!? It's a pipe dream, but something like that will fucking give Youtube the knock out punch, and truly kill it within months, MySpace style.
There's just one problem that kinda pisses me off but make sense..... People either not gonna leave for nostalgia, and still believe.... Or people just don't and are terrified to lose the money, and look for outside jobs again. They're too settled in to go back to that life, that they don't wanna risk it. and if the viewer's heroes don't wanna do it, why should they? I don't mean branching out and having videos on multiple sites. No. THEY WALK, AND UPLOAD STRICTLY AWAY FROM YOUTUBE. Cause the MOMENT they post something on Youtube, it's a sign that says "everything is okay." when it's not. The viewers can make a huge change, but it's not gonna go anywhere if the content creators are staying in the same spot saying to themselves "No it's okay, youtube better than ever. Youtube can fix their shit. Youtube ca-" i tell them to shut their face cause there is no hope.
Youtube lost it soul the minute the creators gave it to Google. I just wish they make a NEW version of Youtube where everyone can flock to there. It's not even worth the rant anymore. There's amazing talent still ready to be seen. However we can't see them anymore on Youtube unless it's a rare chance. They can keep their corporate hungry ghost of a website, and kill it by turning it into television. I just want a new youtube like site to finally see shit get wild again.
When you're forced to adjust your content to appeal, that's when you lost the heart to make your works special. That's what I always believe in.
All you need to do is add the channel networking feature (maybe even make them via a system similar to Nationstates++'s puppeting), and I'll use that shit in no time.
Just read through this entire comment and reply chain. I'm very glad I did. This 'by the intellectual for the intellectual' type of site is what we need. Anyway, I agree with the rest of the points made.
I wanted to make a animated series on this site for many years but due to the way the site is right now and the fact my animations won't get any recognition makes me want to quit what's the point of your goal if it won't even come true? This sucks
@Unknow0059 we dont need all of YouTube's users did you read the damn comment? It's only for the youtubers who care about making good content and let YouTube rot out
I agree with a lot of what you said but I still think this is just hopeless because of the nature of humans and corporations. This is a bitter and probably overly broad post, but the vast majority of people in my experience are just fine with the Internet, only use YouTube very casually, generally have low standards, don't like to ask for more because that means there are issues and people don't like even thinking about issues even within a selfish bubble. But people don't know how much better things used to be, they probably wouldn't care for a lot of the old "weirder" stuff that isn't made for a broad audience anyway, they just start YouTube on their phone alongside other crap, they don't complain about how dumb the content on this site is so it's just fine for them, they're used to being advertised to, they're used to rolling over to the point they just claim most things in life "aren't bad" or "don't matter" if they even know what's happening, they don't wanna stand up nor do they have much power either (rallies can sometimes stop bad shit, but it's ineffectual way way way too often and tires people out before the next attempt by corp/government), and if the site dies (lol) then we'll get another one that just gets seized by corporations, ads and pandering (might even be worse as the corporations would be there at its inception).
Plus, if YouTube dies the "normies" will have to go somewhere, so they'll probably just infect a theoretical replacement site and again, things would end the same way.
At least on current YouTube we also have some legacy content, a lot of which would probably be completely wiped with the website and not archived or made way more difficult to find. Because of this and since I don't think a new site would be better, I'd rather just have YouTube stay the big name than have it die and be replaced by the same thing.
The only hope IMO is to have a smaller video site for outsiders with more mature content and way less filtering- a smaller one, not really alongside or competing against YouTube because such a site would be more niche, but there for people to use. One that's big enough to actually have a userbase and good content but small enough that "normies" won't know about it and be pandered to, clogging up or degrading such a site toward YouTube's current state. I have no idea how it would sustain itself, because even with a smaller userbase, videos use a lot of space and video sites are probably really expensive and difficult. IIRC we don't know if YouTube itself is actually profitable to Google.
Or some sort of site that let you catalog kinds of content and properly sorted and recommended good YouTube content and maybe had a good space to discuss it would work. One that would encourage more personality, more real connections and be more open to "weird" content. Obviously it couldn't do every video, and it would be a fuck ton of work, but who knows. I feel enough people wouldn't use that though.
As Emp said, if you want more than 3 views you better post it to YT. We can all abandon ship, but that’s not gonna change anything but make things worse for ourselves
Making a new site is an amazing idea. But we need coordination and support. Sadly, the community its too comfortable on this website and really wont help nor support any kind of new website, they dont like change, including youtubers
Because we atleast know basic english. And we aren't the ones with the heads in the cloud. They are. The cloud's are opaque. You can't see when the floor collapses. I'm 14
What really sucks is that things have only gotten worse as times have changed. Now the mega megacorp has tried to destroy every user that isn't toxic in their portrayal of everything. The toxicity of the site has only gotten worse, and the SHINING example is YouTube rewind 2018. The disgusting amalgamation of corporate figures and pandering shows just how out of touch the business is with its products and consumers. It really is sad, but a new site is bound to rise, and honestly, I hope it rises soon.
@A Pair of Upside Down Dragonfruits I hope so too I always wanted to be able to be a popular GOOD youtuber like oneyng back in the day but probably wont happen guess I'll have to be a factory worker or kms
It's the worst with the 12 and under audience. At least current early teens were around in the good days and remember a lot of the quality, whilist the sub-teens were either born during/after the good times and so don't remember them, or were so young they don't remember anything before 2012.
I really think more people need to read that. Nobody does YouTube to have fun anymore, they only do it just to get paid and so the majority of content isn’t fun to watch.
@gl1tchygreml1n| Unless they are content creators who want to make videos for fun but work is getting in the way and they need to balance their fun hobby with recieving income. Getting paid from YouTube must be really convenient in that kind of scenario.
@Mecha9 Sadly true, but one day I hope we don't have this dumb system. I mean, even when boomers and corporations are running these companies, they'll have to eventually give up their jobs to us millennials. If YouTube is still active in the next 30 years or so, it might be more different.
This is the best comment on all of YouTube, not only because all of your points are right, but I can also relate to the last paragraph. I make huge comments, and I usually expect at least someone to read them, and most of the time, almost no one ever does. But when someone writes a recycled copy/pasted joke, they get thousands of likes. I think to myself "Do people like terrible jokes more than a comment that took much more time and effort?" and yes, that's true. I made a bad joke, and it got over 60 likes, compared to my comments that I put effort into, they get close to nothing. I think that people just don't want to read a massive wall of text, and that's fair, but they then go and read thousands of the same joke and call it "underrated comment". I'm still going to make big comments, but I'm not going to have my hopes up in someone reading everything that I type.
The funny thing is, eventually the vapid shit created by shit youtubers drowned itself out, leaving the youtube landscape free for acutally creative videos to take their spot.
One good side of Youtube evolution has been the large number of educational videos available on the platform. That being said I still miss the good old days as well.
Good video, really made me think about what I was wasting time on this site for hours on end watching stuff for the hell of it. Keep up the good work :)
You... have... my respect. I always wanted to talk about that topic, but never had the balls, soo has many other YouTubers. But you were one of the few that said, enough is enough... you have the power to do better, YOU HAVE POTENTIAL, don't waste it. You can change this. All you need is to do something, at the right place, and at the wrong time. If you don't understand my philosophy... ask me, and you will get it.
I think YouTube should have a tab on the home page to feature small channels, a lot of talented people have to claw their way to the top by selling out to trends or selling their soul to some bigger channel
Fucking glorious, as always. I'm young but I was able to "grow up" on the creativity of YouTube and it sucks that what was once my favorite website of all time and main source of entertainment has been turned into a small handful of big youtubers doing the same content with no improvement over the years and everyone else either copying them for the hope of a tiny drip of success or trying to be unique and being crushed under the sheer weight of mediocre mass-produced videos. I recently found a really nice channel with only 10 or so subs that does really calm and relaxing analytical videos on games, and avoids the AVGN syndrome of screaming and flooding the content with skits, and I know that despite me liking his content and content similar to his I would have never found him if he didn't share it on other better platforms. That's just fucking sad, that the only hope to discover small channels is to hope you hit that 1% chance per day or scour the obscure corners of reddit. What YouTube should be doing is signal boosting small channels and instead of spoon-feeding everyone the same videos everyday they could get many people to spread out and fine the niche they never knew they would love.
Im very thankful to have seen this video youtube is still god awful its really sad i honestly was thinking of obeying to the algorithm and shit but this vid makes me want to do what i want so i am gonna do that imma make the animations and shit i wanna make so i can have fun and good content instead of just bad so thanks for this video i do hope youtube changes but thats very unlikely i just hope places like newgrounds can stay up because their a better vers. Of youtube the only thing i can think of thats ig "bad"? Is that there is not enough like irl stuff like comedy sketchs and stuff an example is what SuperMega does
also lets plays can be really good but their very boring the only like good ones are small channels like i think theres one named embozone whos not the best but i think he will get there but yeah thats it cya
You actually seem to care about your content and treat it like art. Honestly, keep doing what you're doing, you're better than 99.9% of the trash uploaded on this site.
That's what made me love Youtube the most honestly in the past. Even those that were deem "shitty content". Even shit in that era was considered a piece of art. Not the shit we see today that's bland and repetitive. Back then people actually tried to make quality shit, an it was shit, but hell that shit was beautiful... and grossly bad, but it still held our classic standards on what made Youtube fun. Back then, it was to create a legacy, not corporate cash.
Mightypie I Hate Everything is also an amazing channel. He actually seems to be a genuine great person as well. His content is really satirical and funny and mocks YouTube or whatever he's discussing in his videos.
Pioxys I think the difference was that the shit back in the day people was that people took a risk on there content and it just didn't work out they weren't trying to cash in on some trend to get the youtube revenue. I called this shamless almost robotic form of entertainment the assembly line form of entertainment and it's whats plaguing Hollywood or the music industry. they just spew bland shit to appeal to mainstream so they take out the soul of great entertainment, risk and boundary pushing. The good news is that with the internet good content does exist you just have to look harder to find it.
💙💖💜 I watched this before starting my Channel, and hoped that if i made High Quality, well edited voiced work that fame would come; Only a Monacle of success came from it. being an Independent Animator on youtube(HAHahahah!)
I was afraid i'd sell out my unique beleifs and style for money, but this video of yours has motivated me to stay true to myself. Thank you Emp.
Comedian and (new) podcaster here... I've just started listening to you today. I used to make videos as a kid back during the era you're speaking of, and I've been considering starting again. This was really inspiring. Thanks.
I think when this video was uploaded YouTube videos were especially decadent and shitty, but the content has gotten somewhat better over the years, mostly due to talented people with established audiences from other platforms (Twitch, Spotify, TikTok, even Instagram) defeating the algorithm due to their prior popularity and uploading good content.
This is especially visible in gaming content. The stale Let's Plays mentioned here were killed by streamers uploading their highlights and some short and focused YouTube-exclusive content. The "commentary videos" with random gameplay on the background were replaced by more-or-less well-edited video essays such as this one.
But the basic problems mentioned by EmpLemon still stand. It's basically impossible to become famous on YouTube now, you're wasting your time as a small content creator if you're here instead of literally any other platform.
Sooner or later this fundamentally parasitic character that YouTube has acquired will have to be addressed or it will be overthrown by a better copycat. Probably TikTok if it plays its cards well, since you may not like it but it does have the "Broadcast Yourself" and "discover new content" vibes of early YouTube.
I don't know what this video was to the rest of you, but to me, this video has been a wake-up call. I shouldn't be doing things just because they are there to do, I should do them because they are fun, enjoyable, or make me think. I should be doing what I want to do, not what others tell me I should do. I no longer will watch shitty stuff to excess, turn a good thing into a bad thing because i watched it too many times, or just waste my time doing things that aren't making me happy. I will do what feels good to do, and what will make the world around me and myself better.
to me, this is what the btm video SHOULD have been. this video doesnt have anything to do with him, but it adresses the problem emp has with his kind of channel.
On fucking point. It's incredibly saddening to see the state Youtube and its average viewers are in right now. You brought up just about everything that's wrong with this site.
This is THE greatest 50 minute video I have ever seen and is sooooo understandable. I'm still struggling as a small creator but thank you for your inspirational quote at the end to carry on, find something original and locate your passion.
very true. i started trying to move away from the numbers, and just enjoy the process of animating or editing, and making my pretty non-existent fanbase happy. :)
Tenatic-X that’s good. I do feel a little bad for you though since animating is a lot of hard work and it’s very time consuming. Most of my videos are skits or short films so I just have to get some friends together and we can film a few videos at once.
dang... i've done skits before and i feel the kind of pain you might've felt. Just setting up a lot of stuff for a few seconds of a scene is a huge pain lol.
> "Since when did just doing something become passable to you people!?" Since society stopped demanding anything out of the young masses and everyone gets a cheer and a participation trophy for breathing, let alone doing.
This is why the youth of the developing world looks at the developed world in disgust. Doing a bad job is ok for the developed youth because trying is as good as succeeding to them. In the developing world, trying and failing has consequences.
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sad bum2021-07-12 19:50:04 (edited 2021-07-12 21:01:32 )
THIS VIDEO IS CRING!!!!
Seriously though, thank you for making this. I'm late to it but I feel like it was brought to me in a time where I need it. I want to share something with the world and leave behind something that will far outlive me. I've been stuck, but this video has helped me reevaluate my thoughts.
I watched the entire video, and I can't agree with you more. YouTube right now is so messed up, and me being a small YouTuber and wanting to become more noticed is practically surreal at this point, since bigger YouTubers have already done everything I've done, and people are more interested in their content than mine. And since YouTube only promotes bigger YouTubers videos rather than smaller YouTubers' videos, it's almost impossible to become noticed or popular.
I write e-books, it is pretty much the same problem. Everyone has been there, done that. Every original idea I have has more than likely been done by someone else. Nowadays the only bestsellers tend to be from established authors rather than people like me because they come up best on Amazon's search algorithms. Half of it is now completely down to luck or sucking up/off someone who is already popular.
clearspira thats the issue, this problem does not limit itself to just youtube. Its gotten to the point that this is embedded in society itself. You can't be yourself and create content you want to make and have it recognised and appreciated, the fact that im 15 and live in a world where people have to throw away their individuality and become an entirely different person just to gain the smallest of recognition is disgusting. New youtubers might as well not bother creating content since you also have to pray to fucking god some person will stumble upon your work and bother to watch a nobody, which is unlikely as your not gonna be able to compete with bigger youtubers.
Well the alternative is podcasts approach where lots of the time podcasters listen to other podcasters podcasts and tend to recommend interesting ones regardless of popularity
We should have a new version of Old YouTube, but with a networking system. That way, if you want to make a new channel, you only have to put work into an extra channel. Everyone wins! I'd use that shit in no time.
Stuff like begging for Subs and Likes made me realize how much I appreciate RLM. Those guys are continuously original, and may as well not exist on youtube since they barely reference it despite quite possibly being one of the most influential groups on the internet. (They changed how reviews are formatted, may have accidentally invented Slenderman, are known by several movie industry veterans, where referenced in the GotG Vol2 Trailer, etc)
YouTube's been on a downward spiral since the beginning of 2017. TikTok reinforced that downward spiral, and I have doubts it will ever spiral back up.
Your point on editing and production being important is so underrated it's insane. People seem to forget that people like PrinceEa ride off high production value while their content is meaningless drivel. Kony2012 was popular because it was marketable even though it was just about the worst thing to donate any money to. Literally so much of "popularity" or viewership is dependent on making something aesthetically pleasing.
Don't get me wrong, good production is awesome, it's just utter shit that it's become necessary to pretty up and make everything "digestible" before people will even acknowledge its existence. And it's not even like good production denotes any level of competence anymore. Ricegum made a platinum song off of lyrics he paid for and a beat he purchased before sending the whole atrocity to a mixing/mastering engineer he commissioned to pretty up his garbage vocals. It sounds elitist to say, but the reason I respect so many people who venture out of the comfort zone of watching what "looks good enough" is because forming opinions on what you're spoon fed and never acknowledging anything outside of that isn't just boring, it's artistically ignorant. It's like when your friend who only listens to country tries to distinguish themselves by saying they only listen to "good country". Like yeah, thanks, you are a dwarf among midgets.
@Narcissist Margarine I’m not gonna say you’re an elitist. If anything, I agree about the mainstream audiences being ignorant because they think they know everything when in reality, their knowledge can be very surface-level. Whereas people who get out of their comfort zones end up learning some new stuff and challenge misconceptions.
To be fair though, the same could be said for those who refuse main steam media because it's to polished to actually be authentic. Honestly a good mix of everything will help you discern reality and population opinion. Takeing too much of the polished or rough may hurt your perspective of the world.
10:15 I think the pinnacle of those kinds of videos is getting copyright claimed by the owners of the music, because that would mean 1 of 2 things, you are so good you sound just like the original song, or you could prove to reasonable people the copyright system on youtube sucks ass.
Honestly the algorithm used to recommend videos I ended up being interested in and allowed me to discover creators I love. But now all it does is recommend the same videos I've already watched, and the occasional video I never want to watch at all
And seriously, you have put so much work for the quality of this video. The fact that the music, script, images and videos in this video all correlate to each other in a way that it's actually art makes me so happy. This is a great video and people need to actually sit down amd watch. I remember when YouTube had a little more variety, more creativity. Nowdays i just get recommended videos that are literally all Top 10 lists. Its just not the same and I hadn't noticed until you made this video.
YouTube gave me terrible gacha videos for some reason. I don’t know why. Now it seems like it’s just giving me metal gear content,but I’m fine with this.
@I need Scissors! 61! why can’t I get Metal Gear content? It’s my absolute favorite game franchise that I watch tons of videos on but the algorithm doesn’t care.
28:07 it really sucks that Youtubers have been showing that they get a spike of subscribers whenever they "remind" their viewers to subscribe. It boggles my mind how dumb people are.
Edit: And fully agree with searching for the best content. ASMR in particular has an immense number of creators with ultra-small channels but wonderful content. And modern Youtube Poops provide amazing take-downs of the same people that criticize them. Analysis channels as well often randomly have a creator who made super high-quality content but take years to grow.
The YTP explanation reminds of the small corner I lived (and live? I started making them again after many many requests over the years to make more) in, the Drew Pickles videos, which most people hate, but have been going on for like 15 years anyway and have evolved over that time.
This is why I never took YouTube seriously as a revenue source. I just want to post the occasional video whether it's going to be popular or not. I don't need an additional motivation. Getting paid to do something you enjoy is a great way to stop enjoying it as it becomes an obligation.
The death of YouTube came when another CEO came in and individuality ceased to exist and content has become way worse. I'd say we protest against them until they finally snap out of this shitty state and for god's sake change their ways.
I ironically have an opposite problem with the video length. I can't focuse long enought if a video is less than at least 20 minutes long lol. Also it's because I listen to them in the background and listening to some 7-hour long game analysis in one sitting is much more preffered than interrupting myself to change the current video
This couldn’t be even truer today, dislikes have now been removed. If YouTube keep on limiting features I’ll have no choice but to find another platform. It’s not your fault by the way.
That point around 08:00 is really important. The algorithms and subscriptions shield regular users from the reality of how terrible most content on Youtube is now, and how terrible Youtube is at delivering content in a coherent and useful way. If you don't believe me, scrub your browser profile, make a new Google ID, and start from scratch. It's like climbing up a rope ladder in a hailstorm of shit.
Just like my example: I like to listen to Rslash. He uploads everyday and I get a notification everytime. But I also like Internet Historian and Vivziepop. I get no notifications and only get the video in my recommended a week after. It's fucked.
They only recommended this video to me after a blue moon chance of discovering a new channel via the autoplay feature. I was so amazed that i was actually watching something different i quickly subscribed and binged his channel so the algorithm would give me stuff i want. I fucking hate that i have to fight an algorithm to give me content i want vs what it wants me to watch that will play the most ads on the same videos 10 times over (because eventually it literally just stops finding new videos and only replays stuff you’ve already watched with the rare exception)
27:11, 27:35 It's funny looking back at how poorly this has aged, considering the amount of stats that have come out from YouTubers recently that show that asking to subscribe actually makes a significant impact on subscriber and retention rates
Also this is why I love channels like Night Mind, YouTube has basically blacklisted them because they are horror themed channels, and our virgin eyes cant see anything bad like that while we see possibly worse stuff like that in history class! Channels like Night Mind are hard to find, because Nick actually puts all the effort into editing and working his hardest to make great content and look for new series,horror series, that are different and new and interesting, and gives in depth analysis about them, and sometimes giving some comedic moments to balance it out! Like you said, that's rare to find. I remember Vsauce, Michael is still doing his hardest to make his videos memorable and put high effort into them while adding comedic moments and opinions to it with his analysis. The only difference between Michael and Nick is that Nick is a smaller YouTube compared to Michael, at almost 200,000 subs, while Michael has millions of subscribers. Another thing about them is that their content Is hard to find, because GOD FORBID WE HAVE SOMETHING COMPLEX AND DIFFERENT THAN CALLING THE BOSS BABY OMG HE AWNSERED! Its why Nick inspired me to make my own horror channel, because of how much he clearly cares about his content, even with YouTube's problems. Your content reminds me of Nicks too, because you actually care about your content, you CARE about making it good and you care about it without bending over to YouTube's broken hierarchy. I remember old YouTube, although I'm a young teen, when i was 6, i watched all those videos, and they were great! They still are! I'm getting BORED from YouTubers at times, because of repition and pandering, and like i said, Thats why i love channels like Yours, Nicks, and Micheals, because you give a damn about content, not about what will make the most money, and i thank you for that. Keep being amazing at what you do
Nick Nocturne is my favorite creator I've found in the past year, and Nick has introduced me to many other interesting channels and individuals. Can't wait to see what his new project is!
Axl Kss Dude, horror channels get all of their monetization taken away. It's considered inappropriate/offensive content by the new guidelines. That is blacklisting
This inspired me to go through and unsub to all the corporate feeling content farms that im still subbed to and that I can find. It's the only thing I feel like I can do personally
im 13 and I love content Luke this and other stuff. this is genius. i dont have a whole lot of friends and im an introvert so this is nice for me to watch!
Im hoping I get into the recommended for like 10 seconds. I have plans to give back to the community, take time with uploads and try to not sell something to an audience I know they wont buy. This really shouldnt be a marketplace, it should be a forum.
god how that first statement about videos being to long hits so dam close to home with tik tok and youtube shorts, the highly edited long form videos still have large audiences and you get those longer videos bang on 10/10s
Lessons in meme culture: ACTUALLY SEARCHES THE MEMES AND DOCUMENTS THEM LIKE FINE WINE Behind the meme: literally watches 1 video about it and adds nonsensical stuff
Just found this video today and wondered "where is he wrong? YouTube seems to be alive and well after 3 years".
Well, we were both right. This is not the YouTube I remember... it's been long dead.
This website trained me to think this was all OK, scrolling minutes at a time through the algorithm's clickbait/repetitive content. I barely see my subscriber's videos anymore! W.T.F.
Furthermore, your solution to this problem is spot on too, this requires a MACRO-shift in the minds of views, creators, advertisers, and YouTube, all of which will never happen because the formula works and you can't fix what isn't broken. Maybe if we all abandon YouTube, then YouTube will acknowledge this issue, but by then YouTube would be stuck in their ways.
P.S. Yes, I did post a reply to continue my comment because, let's face it, you wouldn't have read a large wall of text otherwise.
Not that the rest of the video is bad, but both ends of the fourth and sixth points really tell it all.
YouTube changed the algorithm, and by the mid 2010’s uploaders figured out what formats could and couldn’t work through it.
As such, people who upload videos daily that are just long enough to be eligible for ads in bulk get fed views, watch time and recommendations, whereas people who are more inclined to think outside the box release videos that don’t appear in the algorithm because they are unlikely to have the time to upload enough of them.
From the perspective of the advertisers in particular, I see why they would favor the new algorithm because chances are their ads would be more likely to play on a channel that uploads daily, but that leads to a lot of videos that feel very samey, and chances are that advertisers could reach a wider variety of audiences if their ads played on a wider variety of videos.
There are four things that should change about YouTube in particular in my opinion:
1. Change the algorithm back to the way it was originally.
2. Stop censoring videos for being rough, mature, or expressing views you disagree with.
3. Reform the copyright tools to detect what the context of the content used is, allow independent, impartial third parties to review all copyright claims, and set it so that the revenue claimed by claimants is proportional to the percentage of the video that includes the copyrighted content.
And 4. Go back to the old star scale (perhaps in increments of .1 or .5 stars).
Emplemon talked about why people should like dislikes, and why removing them robs people of the opportunity to express a negative reaction or disabling the feature robs the ability to express a positive or negative reaction.
Well the star scale would enable people to express a mixed reaction better than simply like and dislike in my opinion.
I just hope we all realize that this isn’t Susan’s intentions. Some of these problems are still prevalent today but if we try our best to reach out to a YT executive they will comply. Just watch Mr. Moist’s video about his call with Susan.
Um, I don;t think he's actually woke or anything. He's a smart guy. I'm pretty sure if he was woke, he'd have to have radical leftist tendencies. That's really the best way I can put it. He just doesn't act like that kind of a person.
Dude I love your channel. We’re around the same age so you grew up with the exact same stuff I did, Ed Ed n eddy, spongebob, Jimmy neutron, regular show, simpsons, etc. I really realized this when you pointed out how shitty fanboy and chum chum was, and same with Johnny test. I had the exact same reaction to those shows, Johnny test was an absolute last resort, and I just never watched the other show because it seemed so awful.
This is two years old, but I'm watching it for the first time now and I think this is your best video to date. Keep it up Emp, you're one of the best channels on this site today. Also nice use of Emerson Lake and Palmer in the video!
Damn, I wish born earlier to see this kind of stuff, when that era of YouTube was prevalent, I was picking boogers watching DanTDM, popularMMOs and a very scarce amount of videos probably from Newgrounds. I was a wee little toddler and I missed the golden age of YouTube
If he really is a nazi, what about it? Isnt anyone allowed to speak their opinion? Are you going to censor him for holding that ridiculous opinion? I dont like nazis, but i like censorship less.
Nathan lol he’s taking back his comments and apologized many times. Jon was in a low point in his life, tried to argue with a very talented debater, and was unprepared for the debate. He got pushed into saying dumb stuff but is certainly not a Nazi. You can’t take one bad thing a guy says and try to say that makes him a bad person. We’ve all said terrible things, I just don’t get why you can’t give him a second chance.
Just came back after the dislikes are gone, plus an anime YouTuber just lost 150 videos in a single day, this surely feels more and more prophetic the more the days pass by
Normally I just listen to the audio of videos while playing video games so when the text part came on I was like, “That’s an odd choice, having a music segment in the video…”
Funnily enough because of how the algorithm works getting users who no longer watch your content to unsubscribe from you, is the best way to grow a channel.
Because every time a subscriber doesnt click on your shiny new video it gets sent to purgatory for not being popular enough, thus sending your channel into an endless pit where your own popularity from a trend throws your channel into deep obscurity.
Example, let's say you make content about things you enjoy. People come watch your content who are interested. If one of your random videos gets "trendy" and gets big spike in views the next video you put out, if it's not related or as popular as the better performing videos youtube will straight up just not show your uploads. Because the algorithm has deemed your content as non engaging.
They're literally a part of the problem Emp's describing, sad myopic people who can't be fucking assed to pay any attention to what's happening and who won't until it's too late.
don't get me wrong, i hate the shit that people output nowadays 90% of the time,
but i love the new interest in retrospective videos and responses which are genuinely entertaining and make me think about the common youtube video format
Oh man, if only there were more people like you on yt. I'm 15 minutes in and totally agree with everything you say. Like you did with behind the meme, you should make a video highlighting pages that make repetitive, generic content like infinitelists, durv, mastersaint etc and INFLUENCE others like you to agree with you and make MORE videos, and maybe get the actual bad content creators to see what they're doing so shit and why there's more to YouTube than ad revenue.
I guess the problem with the audience is that most of them grew up watching YouTube after Golden Age, so they don't understand. Nowadays YouTube is their normal. (Myself included)
It is so difficult to find quality content here on YouTube I agree because it is so rare that I find a new channel that's unique and actually interests me
Just found this video, I remember the good times when I was 8 and was watching funny af animations and great content, I feel like crap because of the way YouTube is rn
I watched this video the whole way, and I wanna say: -I liked your deleted skit. -The lists of why old YouTube was good and why new YouTube was shit was well made, researched, and edited. -I'm glad to see your subscribed list returning to Pre-DownwardSpiral era levels.
Building on the always asking to subscribe argument. It's also annoying when they say "looks like 90% of the people viewing my videos aren't subbed." It's pissess me off so much becuase when I watch a video of a channel I have never seen before, I dont instantly subscribe. I watch a few videos to see if the channel as a whole is good. When a person does this, I usually stop watching them. Also on an unrelated note, there have been a few youtubers like spike viper or the waffle galaxy that were good and unique many years ago but have recently become more cash grubby and just plain low quality.
I saw a YouTuber (who is openly, and humorously self deprecating about his ego) do that a few times.
Rusty Buckets, a pretty good basketball YouTuber.
Also an example of someone who does, and doesn’t fit this video:
His intro is an EDM track, and a good portion are 10-15 minutes in length (but the topics he covers don’t feel stretched or shortened either way), and some involve more complex or drawn out arguments that don’t cherry pick.
Call it someone who half follows the established format generally, and also is themself from a content perspective while doing it.
Not gonna lie, I was thinking that this needed a 2019 revamp, but then I realized that nothing has changed at all. If anything, it got worse...somehow..
ahahaha welcome to 2020. Oh it's almost 2021. Please person in the future reply to this so we can all enjoy how much more fucked up youtube has become :)
Crazy how this video is about 3 and a half years old and if I hadn't looked at the release date in the description I almost wouldn't have even known. Seems like nothing's really changed since then.
Nirvana Paradox I don't mind people who think they're 'normal' as long as they don't turn everything into a pisspool of commercialised content like mainstream media does (Aka Normies)
SteaMonkey Remember the days of shit like Black Jack octagon ytp videos and shit like "8 Awesome Angles of Youtube"...ah thats the kind of shiet i watched when i was a kid on youtube, when it was about passion and creativity here.
Social Media in general is now run by normies, and the biggest reason is that there is money involved. Look original content is great, it’s new, requires more effort, and usually is highly appreciated, but one thing it will never be good at is making money. Making original content popular is way harder and riskier to do than making a well established carbon copy piece of content popular. So shitty content will always beat out great content in popularity, even though every viewer and critic hates it.
indeepj yes everyone's brains turned to mush watching endless pewdiepie and top ten videos we need to take things into our own hands and bring back a golden decade of YouTube once more
Everything in this world, media or otherwise, will serve you despair. Hopes will get you nowhere, dreams will get you crushed, you can either except this fact and find selfish peace or you can stand up and try to make a difference
but you can't, not through normal means. Only through total destruction can you make permanent changes. However, it's possible even those scars will get covered up. The only thing left to do is
that will happen only if one of us create a web site and call us and make it our territory... but it is not hard to create the darn website the problem is call the guys that you want to go to your website to go to it because of the fucket up youtube algorism the video about the new website will be 99.9% of the chances not even get a single view or even if it grows we will just watch it dies again like youtube... i think
theres vidlly, an old version of YouTube we can still use, but nfkrz fucked the servers last year so no internet, good content, good internet, mostly shit content
It's not happening. YouTube has no competition. Even if YouTube is a dead husk of its former self, we have no choice but to eat that dead body because what's the alternative?
@Tornado Mimi Cyclone Imagine looking at a year old comment and assuming that those alternatives were at all competitive with YouTube at the time the comment was made.
Although...even now, I would say those alternatives are still not at all competitive with YouTube. Is it even possible for you to make a living off of Dailymotion? Does Bitchute even have the required viewership for you to get enough ad revenue to pay for your housing? I haven’t heard of anyone making a living off of Bitchute or Dailymotion. However, I have heard of people making a living off of YouTube. So unless Dailymotion has enough viewers to make the ad revenue competitive with YouTube, I don’t see any of the alternatives you list as a suitable alternative for content creators who wish to sustain themselves in the online video market.
Maybe if sponsors were willing to fund Dailymotion videos, then I could see it happening somewhat, but sponsors only do this with videos that get enough viewership. And considering Dailymotion has a smaller viewership than YouTube does, I see it as something that is highly unlikely.
@Pseudo Nym One, it's TWO years old. Not a year old.
Two, it's like what comes first: the chicken or the egg. Giant Advertisers don't come to sites with smaller userbases, and sites with smaller userbases don't come to giant Advertisers.
However, I think there's a good solution: recreating the Bell System in the form of a "Tube System".
Imagine: "YouTube Pacific" or "New York Tube Company"
It might be the only way to protect creators from the system, but it will hopefully be VERY effective. ESPECIALLY if it gets split up somewhere down the line.
@Tornado Mimi Cyclone No, it's a year old. https://imgur.com/a/GzZ2gBX Look at the age of my comment according to YouTube.
Anyhow, until we get this "New York Tube Company" you speak of one day, we can't realistically expect content creators to pay for their food and housing using Dailymotion or Bitchute; again, I haven't heard of anyone being able to make a living off of any of the sites you listed (as of the time of writing, at least). If a system, be it legislature or otherwise, were in place to provide creators with some sort of protection and sustainability, then maybe it would be a different story. But until that happens, the fact is just plain and simple: it is not realistic to expect content creators to use Dailymotion as an alternative to YouTube to pay for their food; YouTube is atrocious as a corporate entity, but what other options do we have?
@Pseudo Nym My idea right now is to try to change it from within: Create many channels (should be easy with Google's Pages system) to tell Advertisers to stop supporting a company with such awful business practices (possibly by showing them YouTube's PR disasters over the years, as well as corporate videos that are arguably MUCH worse [example: plane crash compilations] than what the average individual puts out [example: independent animation].), and watch as Google is FORCED to respond. Matt Watson used a similar technique, and it seemingly worked.
@Tornado Mimi Cyclone IDK why you're telling me all this, but whatever, cool idea I guess. YouTube is very good at surviving bad PR if that's what you're planning on doing so I doubt this idea will go anywhere, but hey, I've been wrong before, prove me wrong and I'll gladly eat my words.
I've actually made friends on YT back when it was actually a social media site. I used it more than Myspace. I miss messaging people on here and customizing my profile. Then it got bought out by Google.... Ugh.
Fox JDR2019-01-20 03:13:02 (edited 2019-01-20 03:22:12 )
You are one of my favorite new channels I’ve found. Holy crap. I knew Youtube had become hollow and soulless lately but man you summed it up perfectly...OVER A YEAY AGO! It’s only gotten worse! Amazing how we’re close to the same age yet you’ve actually been making content on this god forsaken site for years...and you still do. You still get in front of that mic and upload EXCELLENT content. Like some kind of friendly internet Spider-man. Pretty impressive, I guess it’s true what they say. Fans are the harshest critics. Keep up the great work. (So long as you feel like it)
Ps: That analogy of the tree canopy sucking up all the sunlight and forcing the underbrush to starve in the shade was really great.
I feel like the watch time change COULD have been good if it was video watch time %, for example, a 5 min high quality animation, if fully viewed would give the same amount of priority in the algorithm as if you fully watched a low quality 30 min video.
To me, the whole situation with YouTube started with the Viacom lawsuit, which led to YouTube basically bowing down to corporations and thus turning the entire site from a video-based social network where people could share independent works to nothing more than an advertising platform for big corporations who have all say in what goes on.
Because of YouTube's horrible algorithm, all the "trending" media is crafted for normies and ONLY normies, and that's why you keep getting videos that are about current trends such as fidget spinners or 1000 degree knife videos, because they're strictly made for normies and nobody else. It's become impossible to find anything that's niche, and more than half of the time I'm on YouTube, I struggle to find anything to watch that isn't a "hip" and "trendy" thing. All I ever really watch are movie review channels, anime channels, and the few niche channels that I am still subscribed to.
The asking people to subscribe thing is actually proven to dramatically increase subscriber gain. Apparently everyone really is too stupid to remember to press the subscribe button.
Pyrocynical is actually a good channel, and he is very adamant of the fact that he has to comply to the algorithm in order to stay afloat. No, he's far from a leafy clone (at least not anymore), and he's quite entertaining. I'd give his latest videos a try
A lot of people are saying nothing's changed and that this video's still 100% accurate, but I'd say the proliferation of video essay and commentary channels in the past half decade shows that the attention span of the average youtube viewer is drastically different than it was in 2017. There's a fucking VERITASIUM video that came out 5 days ago with almost 6 million views right now, look at how successful the Never Ever series has become, that shit's on my home page almost every day. Maybe it's just that youtube has gotten much better at showing the user what they specifically want, but that's definitely a DIFFERENT problem with the algorithm than existed back then.
Youtube is even worse today. The algorithm literally just recommends videos I’ve already watched, and nothing else. I always press “not interested” on the video and then “I’ve already watched it” but it hasn’t had any effect on the algorithm WHATSOEVER and it’s impossible for me to be entertained unless i go out of my way to find personal recommendations from other humans
Who fucking designed this?? I feel like a schizophrenic hearing the same stuff play over and over and over and over and over again (not exaggerating, Morges’s hour long Shane Dawson documentary has actually autoplayed itself a total of 10 times unless i go and stop it.) That isn’t how fucking human brains work. They need STIMULATION not fucking repeated mcdonalds quality content that makes you feel like you are going insane after the 10th listen
Damn. Of all the YouTubers I've ever seen, you might just be my inspiration. Hell, you have a massive influence over a lot of people. I have always wanted to be an independent YouTuber (haven't started yet), but with all the problems you were mentioning about YouTube was actually getting me immensely worried about how I may want to begin. Like I said before, I love YouTube Poop. YouTube Poop is not just art to me. It's a whole new world, separate from this poor excuse for a reality we live in. They are what makes me laugh. There were actually a few that made me cry. They are what makes my head spin, and my heart skip. They are what brightens a gray sky for me. YouTube Poop is what I watch to rejuvenate and invigorate my senses. I just can't get enough of it. However, I don't think I have what it takes to make one myself. Sure, I have ideas, but I need the equipment to do it, and the knowledge to use it. If YouTube is a job, I intend to enjoy my job. I have to treat my job like it's something I'm going to do for the rest of my life, and if I don't enjoy it, why do I have it? When you mentioned WatchMojo, I looked back to when I would watch them back-to-back, and holy shit. You were right. I was actually subscribed to them for a long time. A problem I intend to fix very soon. I have always loved countdown videos, and I still do, but YouTube Poop is my primary source of entertainment. I think what I love most about them is that they are not only completely unpredictable, but also genuinely unique to each person who makes one, even if it is of the same clips of the same movie or TV show. Everything is done differently. No two YTP's are the same. And the way you made them was just the way I like them. Completely over-the-top, and no lack in variety. Personally, a video is more to me than just a video. It's a memory. Memories of my own adventures. Memories of the friends I made them with. Memories of accomplishment. A testament to my time in this world. Not something I'm literally severing my personality for. YouTube, the way it's going, is like a Concentration Camp. You overwork yourself with shit you are forced into, and they shove all these rules down your throat, and for what? A spoonful of soup juice each day, lucky to find a chunk of...something in there. One step out of line, and it's off to the gas chamber with you (and your crew, if you have one). All kingdoms need some rebellion every now and then. It would be boring otherwise. Thank you for showing us the true face of YouTube.
that face when you still assume he still makes ytps jesus he already stopped a long time ago and has been making videos about documentary of why something devolved today
I so wanted to hate you for ragging on my dawg, BTM, but it turns out your arguments are very valid and your opinions about YT's future are justified. Keep doing you, respect.
I wish more fans of things or people were as open-minded as you. Ironically, many of EmpLemons' "fans" are more closed-minded! EmpLemon even said so himself!
This is the first time I've seen a comment like this it makes me happy that at least some people can see and anaylize stuff instead of watching 2minutes and hating
Maybe Google should’ve listened to Emp when it came to that whole be creative and try to do your own thing rather than copy other businesses thing seeing how their whole attempt at getting into the video game market worked out.
Really enjoy what you said around 46:00. I'm 18. I remember watching the glory days of YT. Each time I would go to the site I was exited. Then about 3 years ago. People like Filthy Frank ans H3H3 came starting to gain mass influence. I thought that YT was becoming great again. Only until this past year YT SHUT ALL of that down. And it sucks because the old videos on YT effected our society. now days it is just shit on a stick, and the people who watch are brainless morons.
and even the new edgy channels that were deemed as the ones to save YT, are nothing like they used to be. Like for instance Filthy Frank (even though I love him still). Is nothing like it used to be years ago. Now it is just filled with edgy kids. Remember when a Quickscope video in 2009 would get millions of views? Also remember when a simple Lego stopmotion video would get 10million views? Hell even when Minecraft videos like in 2010 was watched by all ages and was enjoyable. That was when the site was innocent somewhat and the content was new. Now the site is just filled with vile kids. And gave no choice to a more aware audience to move to the shadows or just move on in life. YT used to be like watching cartoons in the morning on the weekends with a bowl of cereal. Now it is like a hell fire coming out satans asshole. Love you all.
duyhung 2h The guy isn't funny either. His humour consists of making weird sounds, kissing men in their lips, eating vomit, and covering himself in weird fluids. He always does nasty things which make me want to puke.
Being at the bottom of the YouTube food chain much like everyone else here is, I gladly bring myself to watch this video all the way through at least once a month or maybe even twice to remind myself how much this site has fallen from grace.
Speaking as a casual browser of YouTube when it was new (even when my account didn’t exist), it’s a real shame to see this website become a shadow of it’s former self with very few people being honest, coming up with ideas that aren’t the same mass-produced stuff you see everywhere, and treating their channels like a fun little hobby. I especially feel insulted whenever YouTube treats their content creators like shit and even pretend they’re completely innocent and not doing anything wrong.
I feel like it’s only a matter of time before YouTube fades into obscurity because of their blatant “mistakes”, creators’ over-saturated and uninspired content, and system where small channels can’t get anywhere on their own...
I never lived to see the Golden Days of YouTube, but judging how people like Emp tell that Content Creator Sanctuary was, I can simply only DREAM of the "What if YouTube remained good?"
Also, you think you're at the bottom of the YT food chain with 1.8k subs, when I only achieved 30, and a friend's is just growing with shitty content, while mine just sinks with actual GMod animation (shitty but animation)
I think it is reasonable to infer that effort isn't worth a try nowdays, and we can only watch as YouTube continues to rot away, but there's still hope, many people BASHED this year's Rewind (2018) and turned it into the 2nd most disliked videos of all time, so, if the Jew of Susan gets put to shame like this year consistantly, it is possible they will change for the better.
Charmy The Charizard I hoped so too, but I think at this point it’s another one of those cases of “if you can’t beat ‘em, join ‘em.” I might just make a Fortnite clips or Toy reviews and get big that way (with clickbait thumbnails). It seems like such an easy way to make money, you’d be stupid NOT to join in.
27:27 well emp fun fact when you repeat something enough times people will believe it it a common form of manipulation so yeah you tubers are fake snakes but at least there good at something
Since this video was uploaded, I've been coming back to it yearly. Every year YT seems to fuck up and this shit happens. 2018 it was the Logan Paul situation and the YT headquarters shooting, 2019 it was when YouTube tried to fuck over the qualifications for channel verification, 2020 was just the whole year, and now, in 2021, it's YouTube trying to remove the dislikes. --- 11/10/2021 EDIT: YOUTUBE IS DOING IT, DISLIKES ARE DEAD NOW. JOIN THE SPIRAL🌀🔄♻️🔻❗👇
@electrik løss I think removing dislikes is an awful thing to do no one wanted it removed and to quote a wise man "dislikes don't harm people it harms egos"
Tubes shouldn't only be made by the people, they should be run by the people. Nationalize youtube and make it run by the people. We all need a video sharing platform of reference, you don't need Google or some big corp to run it.
I miss when the homepage actually had an inbox where comments, personal messages, and new subscribers were listed in their own categories, with a red asterisk to grab your attention when there were new ones to read, and links to your own channel, favorites list, and video manager were in the top right corner of the screen. Now, you have to click your channel icon and pull up a dropdown window and go into that ridiculous "Creator Studio" thing and go through several steps to find your video manager, channel, favorites list, and new comments on your videos since the notification bell only tells you SOME of the new comments you get. I've had to create bookmarks on my browser with links to all those individual pages since YT has now made it so needlessly complicated to access them. Ugh...
I liked when your Google+ and YouTube comments were both in the same notification menu, and you could respond to YouTube comments in said menu like on Google+.
God, finally someone points this bullshit out. I once typed a comment that got 400 likes and 62 replies. YouTube only notified me of about three of those comments.
Then you're especially not gonna like how they're now gonna take out private messaging. I don't even understand the reason behind it, but it's happening.
I had no notifications for almost a year because they disabled the google+ side of things without automatically reactivating my youtube notifications. I had to go through several pages of non-intuitive settings to reactivate them.
This video has never been more relevant in the age of content creators who put little to no effort in actually making original content like dream,tommyinnit,etc.
2014: the rise of buzzfeed, watchmojo and fine bros
2015: clickbaiting is becoming really bad
2016: clickbaiting becomes really, really, really bad
2017: the viner invasion
Edit: 2017 also had the AdPocalypse, restricted mode, fidget spinners, diss tracks, YT and the Las Vegas shooting, Jake Paul Drama, Idubbbz termination and discrimination, FilthyFrank quitting, many useless layout changes and the worst one of them all: DEMONITIZATION!
In the 2012-2013 era and prior, animation was BOOMING. The most popular I could find was "EddsWorld" (which I watched myself), and after Edd Gould passed away in March 2012, animation was stopped for a moment. Everyone who looked up to him and time itself on YouTube, stopped. That's when animation started to die out. That's why EddsWorld had its series finale on March 16, 2016, and the other animations just were shit. NOBODY on YouTube likes the classic YouTube videos anymore. They only like WatchMojo, Buzzfeed, Jake/Logan Paul, fidget spinners, and the Tide Pod Challenge. You are a respectable person, dude. Thank you.
and in 2017: SML Getting False Flagged, and apparently YouTube loved what they did, so then YouTube keeps Demonetizing and Age-Restricting his New-ish videos and even Family Friendly videos!
I can say fine bros did a good content until they messed up about the legal property of their content. There some vines that is worth watching although most of them are cringy but other than that Angry Deep Fried Chicken all you say has a point.
Now it is kinda ironic to say animation is bad now when you have odd1sout, jaiden animations, tim tom, something else yt, let me explain studios and illyanimations pumping out amazing content
Fun fact about the algorithm. Early in 2021, I suddenly started getting dozens of comments on a video of mine for a different channel, the views had jumped from a couple hundred, to over 8,000. Like oh hell, what video could have possibly triggered YT to list it? A 40 second video response to a Chuggaconroy Let's Play from 2010. First we need to go back to pre-2010, because in addition to leaving comments on videos, we had a feature known as video responses. You could submit a video response to a creator and most times it would be approved as a mutual network to spread videos and attention...course YT felt inclined to remove it, 2012 I think? YT for some reason picked that video out, nearly 12 years after being uploaded, after the video response aspect was removed...who knows.
Also anyone else find it funny that YT used to limit non partners to 10 minutes or less...and now punish people for choosing to keep videos short and tack on a lot of filler/fat.
2021 now, video is still true. ive been on youtube since 2012 on multiple suspended accounts (ironic right?) and its still dogshit. i wish youtube closed, i mainly use it to rip songs to mp3s.
So, what? You're applying the experiment made 2 weeks from now until the YouTube zombies can see it? Actually, that is a f***ing great idea!
Sorry for censoring this comment. Apparently YouTube has created a new revenue system for comments which adhere to the rule of thoughtless and vapid as long as it doesn't have swearing.
This is actually a really good video I’d like to see something like this with how pewdiepie jack and other really popular you tubers have just spammed their favorite tik tok videos as their new videos
Did you know there’s a thing called the negatively bias wich means negatively effects us more than positive experiences wich is why negative videos get more views
I like ytps well enough, but I have really sensitive hearing, so I can do without the ear rape. Honestly, the day that ear rape does, ytp videos will be my main subscriptions.
Papa emp, i wanna say your content is some of the best ive ever seen. I wanna share this vid to my friends but ill make sure that i show them your main content so if they subscribe its for the right reasons. what we need is a site that can actually compete with youtube, a site that can have complete freedom. sadly theres no alternative, we just have to watch the actual good content that we have found.
It's funny I've followed you since ur early YouTube poop days and then youtube made me forget bout you. Couple days ago I rediscovered you and I am blessed to know that you're still around and your content have gotten amazingly good! Keep it up Emplemon! You're one of the few who isnt plague by a corporation
this man right here is a pink floyd fan; this is the second video where ive seen a reference to the album "wish you were here", the other being the album art for it appearing in the one about video games decreasing in quality. Here "welcome to the machine" plays briefly at around the 17:00 mark
I've watched this whole thing and I must say, this is probably one of the most important videos I've ever seen in my entire life! This opened my eyes and made the light shine in. Us content creators are in grave danger of loosing what we've worked on and toward. I may reconsider how I do my content after seeing this. I may even listen to this a couple times as motivation while I get my work done.
Being around since the early days of YouTube (on a different account because my old account got suspended despite me only using it to manage my subscriptions - they never told me what I violated, or even that I violated), I was one of the many people who had the dream of recognition. I wasn't (arguably, still am not) talented or outgoing or charismatic. I was an awkward, spotty teen. But YouTube was such a melting pot of content that I was told that there was something I could do, some way I could refactor this light in my chest and channel it in a way that other people would be interested.
Back then, being "the number one" on YouTube meant nothing. It was so diverse and strange that it was impossible to meaningfully extrapolate your numbers into any measure of success. Every single channel was its own microcosm, and going from one to another to another to another was a short, simple hop across the void. It was the Internet equivalent of "this store doesn't sell the flavour of Mountain Dew I like, but the one across the street might", then you go over there and discover like twenty flavours of Monster Energy, but no Doritos, but the store next door sells those (you were only interested in original, but they also sell cheesy and cool ranch , so that's awesome). Now everyone is trying to be Walmart. All of the corner shops and mom-n-pop stores went out of business.
That's the problem: the ecosystem of YouTube has changed too much in order to encourage homogeneity. Because homogenous content is free of anything radical or polarising or interesting, and it's easier to monetise. It's not sufficient to "be the change you wish to see". Even if everyone did that, it wouldn't be enough. YouTube has been rotten to its core. The Buddhists say it to the effect of "the pursuit of money is the root of all suffering", and the ecosystem no longer supports the content creators of yore. The fact that one of the top criteria all channels are graded on is "Advertiser-Friendliness", and even if you had no intent to capitalise on your content, failing that criterion will literally decimate your chances. That this is even a criterion that channel owners can observe for themselves is indicative of the corruption that has wrapped around YouTube's creative heart. Search for 'The Tower Dog Leaks' and you'll see just how many eggs YouTube puts in the ad basket, and gag on the sulphur as you notice that they all rotted long ago.
YouTube is beyond saving. It has been so horrendously mismanaged that the extent of the damage is beyond the site itself - it's cultural. Even if their server farm exploded and they had to start over again, it's still irrevocably tainted. 'YouTube' is synonomous with bland, inoffencive, identical slurry. Edgy content like IDubbbz is marginalised, controversial content like Joshua Conner Moon is destroyed. Now everyone is trying to be PewDiePie or Jake Paul and everything is TikTok and Vine revival vids.
YouTube is not worth rising to the top. YouTube is an infernal furnace. And what do you call things that rise to the top of a furnace? You call it slag. And you scoop it off and throw it away. When the people who define what 'the top' is are the advertisers, I no longer want to rise to the top of something that has sold its prestige. And neither should you. Go out and kick a football.
Good job giving insight and not being toxic about the situation, as well as perfect grammar and formatting.
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The Renegadist2017-08-30 06:00:19 (edited 2017-10-20 01:54:41 )
Great video man, it's pretty depressing how much of a clusterfuck Youtube has become over the years and all of the little guys like myself get pushed completely off to the side for the big name channels and those who side with Google/Youtube's politics. Just a few months ago Youtube made it so when people typed my channel name the only channel result that popped up was a reaction channel which shared the first few letters of my channel name. Even when you typed my full name in it still only showed the reaction channel unless you hit the top button above the search to actually get what you typed. So for a while people had to search for my channel twice in order for it to even show up, thankfully though it's been "fixed".
It would be a damn shame to lose Youtube as decades of videos would be lost forever in the void especially the older ones but at the same time I want Youtube to die so a better company can step in and make things right. It's tough, it's like putting down a pet you've had all your life and the only way to help it is to put it to sleep but at the same time you lose them forever.
I'm from Brazil, and luckily YouTube Poops have always been insanely popular around here, being called YTPBR which is an abreviation for "YouTube Poop Brasil" and they're just as good as the Americans counter parts. There are old poopers like BomberPooper who makes YTP from El Chavo and Chapolin, and newer ones like ToleZuando who makes YTP from movies and TV shows. So luckily here in Brazil there is not so much ignorance about YouTube Poops, after all, everyone here has already seen the meme of "Te agarro pela cabeça e te JOOJ" or "Seu Madruga Will Go On" and "Chaves luta contra kiKU pra ver se no céu tem pão". Worth seeing even if you don't understand Portuguese
Now, hear me out, you made this long video essay expressing your opinions in an artistic way, and it reached 1.6m people, like 10% of the user base a decade ago. A good thing, no?
@emplemon I’ve noticed that your criticisms arise mainly from YouTube’s response to market forces but a lot of your content leads me to believe you lean right politically. Given that capitalism only responds to a profit motive and not necessarily our ideals and values how do you reconcile your political alignment’s strict adherence to free markets with your criticism of the degradation of YouTube those incentives have caused?
lol truthfully if the YouTuber doesn’t remind me to subscribe I’ll forget because I’m too wrapped up in thought from the vid to remember. Emp overestimates his audience or at least a portion of it.
Maybe no one cares but I just started watching your videos and it’s very difficult to concentrate on what you’re saying because of the great music playing in the background, all bangers.
Youtube poops and other incredible animations have been my childhood (born 1998). The way talented animators, like achilles12345, could express their humor through their videos left me laughing for hours on end. Not just humor, but also incredible story-telling, like Mark Haynes and his Super Mario Bros Z series. (Highly Recommend for people who give credit where credit is due!)
After watching this entire video I came to a realization: I have allowed myself to become blind by subscribing to low effort, mass produced channels and allowed the "algorithm" to secure my loyalty towards them. The most recent time I was actually captivated by someone's talent was watching the SpongeBob Anime Opening by Narmak. There was just so much to absorb and enjoy and I find it hard to locate more people like him on youtube nowadays.
So in conclusion, I hear you loud and clear EmpLemon and I 100% agree with you. I must thank you for opening my eyes to an unfortunately, painful reality about youtube. Now if you don't mind, I have some unsubscribing to do...
Sadly, the only notable Youtube animators that are active (and by active, I mean make a new video every few months) would have to be Sir Pelo and Ukinjoe.
"I swear to fucking Christ, if one more fucking YouTuber tell me to subscribed to them, I'm going to descend to a never before seen debt of my own personal downfall mental spiral"
Dream: Also, only a small percentage of my viewers are actually subscribed
I used to be able to watch like 5hr long videos but ever since I've watched a couple 30 second clips its so hard because youtube just throws it in my face every said 30 seconds
I feel like the American Dream is an excellent metaphor for Youtube Just a dream and nothing else
Emplemon do you really think that you get somewhere with talent and hard work, do you really think that this problem is youtube only, wrong this is The American Nightmare talking We live in a world where companies are Shepards and we are the sheep yet companies try to claim how The American Dream is the greatness of America even though The American dream is a joke or currently is a joke nowadays the best job you can rise up to is sitting in an office wasting your life away at a dull, grey, lifeless, cubicle probably staring at a calendar with tropical images on it wishing you can go there The Boring Robotic jobs at an office is actually so bad That Tom Scott used an AI for video ideas and they seemed more diverse, intriguing, and unique than anything Watchmojo created so yes a Watchmojo was literally more Robotic than an actual Robot
The reason why it is the way it is that Companies don't really care about standing out or being different or adding personality, depth, emotion, they just want to appeal to as many people as possible no matter what the cost in other words Con artistry is the newest trend in companies. just look at Buzzfeed who rather than confront actual misogyny, and sexism (and they can't because they are so politically correct that if they talk about one slightly controversial thing) they cover some of the prettiest issues like Manspreading featuring a girl with a top hat taking as much space as possible rather than discuss the horrific crimes of Harvey Weinstein
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Pie Pivot-O2017-08-17 00:09:27 (edited 2017-08-17 00:12:42 )
inb4 this gets overshadowed by Commentary videos, low effort gaming, Emoji Movie rants, fidget spinner videos, toy videos, Buzzfeed, Watchmojo, and anything from the trending tab.
Who's fucking tired of seeing videos on videogames that just came out like a day ago that show the ending of the game as well as the final boss, even if you didn't look it up? People just fucking love putting out this relevant content without caring about spoilers in the title or thumbnail! It's fucking dumb af, and YouTube is supporting it!
Ayden Buckley In Danganronpa reddit, people (myself included but jokes on them, i'm already spoiled) have been receiving PMs with spoilers from v3 (most recent game which hasn't been released yet)
Shakespeare's Apple. Its true that they overreact, but every youtuber overreacted to fnaf and it was annoying af. Also markiplier actually played fnaf through till the complete end (which isnt much, but compared to other youtubers it is) and thats kinda nice and markiplier also always seems like he knows something about the games he plays. Other channels usually just suck at the games they play and have bullshit commentary. Markiplier is only a bit better
Shakespeare's Apple. Damn it you're fucking right and Jacksepticeye does suck hard. I only defended Markiplier because of what you said even though im not actually a fan (In fact he is quite boring to watch). I like that he played the first FNAF until the end and even did it on the hardest difficulty. He played 7 hours in a row just for the 20/20/20/20 score in FNAF 1 which is something I really have respect for. (Unlike Pewdiepie who played the first game only half and then said that he would never play FNAF again. When FNAF 2 came out he just played it without even ending the first one.)
It's not just youtube of course, this kind of thing. And it's not just about profits, it's about subjugation. But it's never been sustainable and it will meet its end - maybe sooner than we think.
2005-2011 broadcast yourself 2012-2016 corporation and bland signs start to show 2017-2021 censorship and basically a corporate clickbait shit content city with endless ads
It's fucking pathetic how some reaction channels squeeze in multiple mid roll ads in their videos.
I also hate how YTPs that are actually in the algorithm aren't even that good to begin with (Newly released animated film YTPs that only consist of dead memes, swirly mirror effects, and voiceovers)
I once saw a Force Awakens YTP in the trending tab, and literally all it was was: normal conversation, character screaming something unrelated in reply, and freezing on actors in a "lul wtf eggsdee" reaction. For nine minutes.
I completely agree, I spend hours every day filming my videos then trying to edit them to make them funny and actually watchable then when im finally done 10 hours later and 3 people start the video see I have 165 subs and then no one else sees my videos. maybe someone will come and dislike it and I gain nothing and it just makes me depressed
What if nobody was lying about their age, and the actual median age of youtube users were like 124 years old. It could explain why these senile people keep forgetting how to unsubscribe.
This platform is committing suicide. All for the glory of the dollar. The idea of YouTubers wanting to monetize everything was in my opinion the worst thing. Not that I fault them. They have their grind to make their money. But when money gets involved in anything, it poisons everything. And people who want to just make content just for fun, it gets shadowed by people with sponsors and high production value
How all of this is the sad truth now just polarizes my own mind. He called all of this stupid crap and look where we're at now. YouTube turned themselves into enemy #1 of video/streams.
One thing I think you've done with these long videos is evolved the YTP trend in a way that makes them really useful as tools to keep people paying attention and stay entertained through a thoughtful, albeit longwinded, discussion. It's really kind of transforming the long-form analytical discussion video genre on YouTube too, as I think nearly everyone these days uses some elements of YTP to keep people engaged in these kinds of videos, especially in gaming and anime videos.
I don't know what my whole point is necessarily, but I guess I'm just trying to make excuses for why I just watched a 49 minute video lol
38:36 "why not try to become distage from your competitors rather than making shittier versions of their products" Well, recently they release the Youtube Shorts "feature" that is just a copy of Tiktok.
It’s crazy how this is still true almost 2 YEARS LATER. I’m just happy we have channels like you who actually speak a opinion on something that needs fixed.
Three years later and it has gotten worse at an exponential rate and it is extremely disappointing that upon rewatching this I thought to myself that it wasn't even close to how bad it is now which is very depressing.
I don't think that people should be shamed for watching corporate stuff. Let them, if they find that entertaining they should have the right to feel ok watching it. It is content to relax probably, not to pay attention or anything.
Great video emp, I'm taking your advice and unsubscribing from channels I don't care about. hopefully someday youtube can have better content in the future
49min and all edited OMG it take me like 45 min to edit a 5min video like you edit this one, I can't even imagine how much time does it take to make your videos. And I'm not even going to tall about YTPs that's just another lvl, that is why I aprecciate your channel; you really put effort on your videos.
Oh yeah, I almost forgot to mention. Heaven forbid you say something that isn't within a popular consensus, because then mountains upon mountains of people are gonna show up and scream death threats, suicide baits, rape threats, or any other horrible shit just because it isn't the exact same regurgitated opinion that EVERY OTHER PERSON HAS. It doesn't matter what it is, and it doesn't matter if what the hate storm does is legal(it fucking isn't), because Youtube doesn't fucking care about legality, it doesn't care about morality, all Youtube cares about is it's fucking money. And the fact that I can't even say what this is without fear of getting hundreds of people screaming bloody murder at me, speaks volumes about how cancerous people can truly be. Hallelujah, HOLY SHIT... (where's the tylenol...)
Hey Emp, not sure if you will see this comment as the video is so old. However, after watching it again, I was wondering if it would make sense to do a "State of YouTube in 2022" type of video to see your comments and thoughts from 5 years ago and compare them to the current YouTube landscape. I think it would make for an interesting video so just a thought. Thanks!
Youtube doesn't make sense to anyone including its creators. I get recommended the same 30 videos everyday and even if I go through and click not interested on every video, I still end up with the same content. Either other videos I've already watched, some 9.8M sub history Channel or fucking Vice news. I think youtubes algorithm isn't trying to push new creators content, and I believe that's youtubes purposeful doing. They never knew how the algorithm worked, but it seems like all the sudden the algorithm is specific to the kinds of content it's pushes because youtube tweaked it to not show the "offensive", unique, and even gaming content. The only people I'm recommended today are much more family friendly. The people I am subscribed to should show the algorithm what I enjoy to watch, yet it gives the complete opposite. I feel like this has gotten much worse because of lockdown, youtube has so many eyes on it all the time now, and grimey "news" outlets will pounce on any chance they get.
i watched yt for the first time when i was 6 yrs old in 2010. i was amazed. animations and quality gameplays were just a click away. i watched minecraft and portal gameplays, lazer compilations, asdf movies and old ytps made in 2008. it was great. but in 2013 everything changed. no recent portal gameplays, minecraft gameplays were out of control and all over yt, didnt find lazer compilations in my recommendations beside videos by people reacting to them, almost no new asdf movies just reuploads and nearly every ytps made at that time were low quality (nothing but a video made of rewinds and cuts). this was the time when i discovered what memes are. i didnt find good memes just the old, boring and overused ones. compilations of everything were everywhere, top 10s, waaaay too many reaction videos and shitty gaming channels with lots of subs everywhere. but im still here on youtube finishing this comment at 5 in the morning knowing that it will never be found in the ocean we call the comment section.
Kinda messed up how between this video's release, the time this comment was posted, and probably the time you're reading this comment things on YouTube have gotten only worse. I guess we still haven't seen the bottom of the spiral somehow.
You know the worst thing is that there is NO alternative that I can find. I would love to just use another site but if theres one out there I just cant find it
Best music taste of any youtuber. This video especially is amazing. The rant over Achilles Last Stand is amazing; that rant is 5x as long as it needs to be and would be pretty annoying with no background music, but the music makes it a genuinely poignant, emotional experience. Guy could be a music supervisor for a TV show, easily.
I honestly can't tell if the 13-year-old elitists in this comment section are sarcastic or not but honest man I haven't watched a fifty-minute video on a topic I don't know anything about since bill nye. This was really eye-opening. 10/10 editing & commentary.
I could listen to you rant for hours, because ALL of your points are relatable and true. AND, then you put Achilles Last Stand in here like a boss. This is Quality content.
I actually watched through this. The entire thing. And it was spot-on.
I whole-heartedly agree with every word you said. And you're right, changes DO need to be made, quite drastic ones in fact. But the fact of the matter is, when you become such a big corporate face like YouTube is, you start to group people as a whole, and not as individual. There are individual people who made this website what it is, and that's both a good thing (2005-2012) and a bad thing (2012-present).
There come times when you're too small to even be noticed. And that's really scary. Think of when you're trying to petition the government a new law that will help millions of people, but they just scoff and brush you aside. "Just another citizen." But that's not true, we're all unique.
And that's what makes me worried about YouTube. They don't see uniqueness anymore. They try to find what's hot and tReNdY right now and ride on it until it dies in a fiery inferno, then wash, rinse, and repeat until, congratulations, you've made a bad website. People I look up to that are still relatively small don't get noticed. They remind me of the people who just want to be noticed by their favorite celebrity but can't be because they're all the way in the back of the room. That just sucks.
I want things to change, I really do. I remember back before this all started, I used to love going onto YouTube and seeing my favorite channels uploading a new video, and it would be great no matter what, because they were great. But now things have changed. Whenever I see someone upload a video, it's a gamble. Will it be good? Will it be bad? I don't want things to be a gamble, I just want to see the good content I subscribed for in the first place.
While things don't seem hopeful right now, I still have that determination that things will get better, somehow. And if you read through all of this, I hope you have that determination, too.
I watched the whole thing. Truest thing I've ever watched. Almost everyone I know irl is basically a zombie and I constantly wish to be part of something more interesting, something that isn't just content being thrown at me. I'm an artist and a programmer, so I might actually be able to one day.
This is the YouTube equivalent of "I'm mad as hell and I'm not gonna take it anymore!" You know, I've been here, not under this name, since YouTube was brand new. Even on night shifts and with ages of homework and endless studying and making the insane length/detail outlines that I made when university taught me I needed to study, I was here when I could be. I must be the single human being on the planet whose attention span was lengthened by YouTube. Or maybe it was three hour classes. Who knows? Either way, a video under 15 minutes is insulting unless I really like a particular person or what they create. I'm going to hold the creators I focus on to a higher standard. I get so many notifications I just brush off and never watch. Why put up with that? That's cancer.
Thanks, my guy. I'm riding out the storm watching your channel. I'm really pleased with what I see here. You're deep, thoughtful, and insightful. You also have a way of communicating that is above and beyond anyone I watch. You incorporate sound, image, and the spoken word into every frame with artisan skill and an edge of your own. You're pretty different, or maybe I've just gotten used to it. I'll say this. I'd have never guessed you were so young. That's a good thing. I used to get annoyed when people said that. Don't. People like you are the future. Now if we could just get an army of equally as talented, careful people, and they actually thrive.
Oh wait this is YouTube. What am I, retarded? Well, almost no one I like has over a million subs, and one person that I like just as a troll has much more. I'm happy with that. I hope you stick around.
It's been particularly difficult to keep asian street food and pet videos off my recommendations lately, and YouTube can't tell the difference between a quality gaming video and a lets play.
Emp I hope you see this and if you do I want to say, that I completely fucking agree. Fucking effortless toy reviews and fidget spinner videos get more views and subs than actual fucking good content which is awful. I started watching your videos in around 2013-2014 and loved them and when you started doing rants I still loved them, because I can really relate and completely agree to what you have said. I honestly love the change of content you did because of how interesting these videos are! Emp thank you so much for making this and I can't wait to see more of your content.
i can't find the timestamp, but i want there to be a next carykh, or jan misali. true variety channels that introduce their audiences to different topics they may not have been interested in. i didn't care about conlangs at all until jan misali, and now i'm really interested in them
@Red Physical I hope this will lead to the popularisation of alternatives. Also, this will not kill YouTube. There are too many channels and corporate entities and fans of those sources for YouTube to just suddenly become a ghost town.
Let's be real......... We would need the fucking infinity gauntlet to instantly just erase everyone over 50 and have them replaced by our generation that understands this shit and why it sucks in order for any change to have
@4nt You can't comment memes on SpongeBob vids anymore! And comments on year-old videos have been nuked, and even stuff NOT MEANT FOR KIDS like "Kermit it's not a Cookie" have been marked.
@Holy_Crusader Of The Holy Land I guess people forgot about how Youtube can put ads on your videos and take all the money for themselves and not to the creators, thanks Susan
I joined YouTube to make gaming content. I had to start doing meme videos to get viewers and those got THOUSANDS of views but the gaming content that I enjoy making barely makes TEN
Youtube has become a huge sellout now, there's really nothing we can do. This was bound to happen, wasn't it? As more and more people visit youtube, a site now owned by google, a colossal corporation, it'll want more. More money.
I honestly can't stand these annoying people, talking about fidget spinners or whatever garbage trend is circling right now, I don't like it. There will be less of the content I like, and more of the garbage content that is spewed out daily and forced into our brains. I am in a school where I'm surrounded by unfunny kids who try too hard to be cool, talking about the latest trend that most people don't really care about. That school is just a conglomerate of stereotypes that no one but me seems to see. While they talk about fidget spinners and snapchat/instagram, I just watch them and just keep thinking about how they can talk about that stuff without being disgusted themselves. There's really no one in this school who breaks away from that norm, it sucks. I probably sound like some raging old guy, but I don't care. Youtube and the society we're in is just filled with garbage content, Buzzfeed, and fidget spinners, and emojis. You can't forget the Emoji Movie.
Has the dawn ever seen your eyes?
Have the days made you so unwise?
Realize, you are.
Had you talked to the winds of time
Then you'd know how the waters rhyme
Taste of wine
How can you know where you've been?
In time you'll see the sign
And realize your sin.
Will you know how the seed is sown?
All your time has been overgrown
Never known.
Have you walked on the stones of years?
When you speak, is it you that hears?
Are your ears full?
You can't hear anything at all.
The preacher said a prayer.
Save every single hair on his head.
He's dead.
The minister of hate had just arrived too late to be spared.
Who cared?
The weaver in the web that he made!
The pilgrim wandered in
Commiting every sin that he could So good...
The cardinal of grief was set in his belief he'd saved
From the grave
The weaver in the web that he made!
The high priest took a blade
To bless the ones that prayed
And all obeyed.
The messenger of fear is slowly growing, nearer to the time
A sign.
The weaver in the web that he made!
A bishops rings a bell
A cloak of darkness fell across the ground
Without a sound!
The silent choir sing and in their silence
Bring jaded sound, harmonic ground.
The weaver in the web that he made!
Clear the battlefield and let me see
All the profit from our victory.
You talk of freedom, starving children fall.
Are you deaf when you hear the season's call?
Were you there to watch the earth be scorched?
Did you stand beside the spectral torch?
Know the leaves of sorrow turned their face
Scattered on the ashes of disgrace.
Every blade is sharp; the arrows fly
Where the victims of your armies lie
Where the blades of brass and arrows reign
Then there will be no sorrow
Be no pain.
I agree, youtube has a victorian class system as you said, we've already gone through the industrial revolution of youtube. there's so many parallels you can draw if you look deeper. see, before the industrial revolution people used to just make stuff for themselves and the people around them. when factories came around allowing the means of production (i sound like a communist lol) to fall into the hands of only a few factory owners, they became mega powerful and the little guy was put out of business not because he was inherently bad, but because the factory owner with his big factory could drown out whatever the little guy made. now replace the "factory owner" with "big youtuber" and replace the "little guy" with "poor dude with less than 100 subscribers and half of them don't even watch his videos anymore" and replace the "factories" with "the algorithm" or "mass-produced videos" or "ad revenue to support a videomaking lifestyle" or "clickbait" and you got youtube's slow descent into late-stage unadulterated capitalism with an unhealthy obsession for growth, money, and competition
"late-stage unadulterated capitalism with an unhealthy obsession for growth, money, and competition" thats exactly what were missing that made youtube great back then
Unhealthy obsession with growth and money, yes. But competition, no. Competition is less prevalent on YouTube than it ever has been. That's one of the biggest, if not THE biggest, problem with YouTube today. No competition. For the exact reasons you've listed here; YouTube has grown to massively favor the big guys and all the small channels have completely fallen by the wayside. They can't get traction or exposure unless they're very lucky or EXTREMELY industrious.
@dragonsder yes this is capitalism working how it is designed. Late stage capitalism is always imperialism. That is why big companies alway move into new markets to dominate once they learn how from the original “frontier people”. All wealth people from old systems plantation owners, feudal lords, etc still dominate capitalist markets today. Open source technology aka common ownership is the only way to be liberated.
I know this is an ancient video, but... at 28:48, the answer is because of the Home tab. I get videos of people I want to watch all the time, only to click and find out that - either by glitch, mysterious unsub that youtube does sometimes, or genuine forgetfulness - I'm not subbed to them. The Home tab has erased the usefulness of the subscribe button, but the subscribe button is still the metric that determines whether your channel is worthy enough for the algorithm to acknowledge. That's why people have to ask their audiences to subscribe; because you don't have to anymore, and most people just don't now.
The fact that you could find enough issues to make a video this long basically shows how far down the spiral youtube has gone........................friendly cat videos to this
I saw the full thing, and although my mind is overwhelmed by all the negativity of the state of today's world, I cared just enough to hear people like you speak out against the zombie system that failed to learn from its consequences.
I just finished watching it. I agree, don't force yourself to watch a video because you feel like you should, question if you are actually enjoying it. I didn't enjoy watching this video, but at least the creator knows that and reminds you that a unsubscribe button exists. Some people are fucking morons, and think that content is good when it really is just garbage. I'm not one, but it's hard not to be considering this video is right about everything it says.
This video only cements the reason why I chose to stop being nonpolitical It's all their rhetoric and filth Emp and I would be great friends in person lol
EmpLemon Quality content, and I'm not being sarcastic in the slightest. I absolutely agree with the message being displayed here, and it is sad that there's nothing that we can do to change it. But at least there ARE people, like you and I, who at least try to fight the system. In short, it's the legacies of those who fight for YT justice, that will go down in history.
EmpLemon I really like what you said about YTPs being videos people make for fun. Not for business, not for views, not to be relevant, but for fun. We need more videos like this, videos that are actually creative, clever, original, and just good.
EmpLemon thank you. Thank you for this video. I've been waiting for someone to finally bring up all this shit. Every other youtuber simply says "fuck the adpocalypse" and that's it. They never go in depth because they are too afraid of big bad team youtube. I can't say it enough. Thank you.
EmpLemon i watched the full vid and i STRONGLY agree with your points. Today channels are usally oversaturated corprate run steaming shit. small channels i know are great in animation. I was a zombie but you have opened my eyes even farther then before.
You have put an ASTOUNDING amount of effort and thought into this video. I've been on YouTube for quite a while, and despite the bad things that are happening, I STRIVE to watch only the highest quality videos that I'm actually interested in. In spite of the crap, I, along with you especially, keep the core values of what YouTube is dear to me to this day. I commend this video and your efforts over the years. Your voice is a voice of reason! PRAISE BE UPON YOU! PRAISE! Also can we talk on Skype or something? I've always wanted to talk to you and ask about the stuff you made and make, and gather answers from the horse's mouth.
This was one of the best YouTube video's I've ever seen, and I say that without a single trace of humor. Thank you so much for making this. It was truly a masterpiece.
EmpLemon I'm really glad you made this video. I've been going through a heavy bout of depression for the past week or so, for multiple reasons. This video didn't lift my spirits, it didn't brighten my day or encourage me. It made me angry. Right now, I am fucking FUMING at the state of the world, at my family, at my own ineptitude, and at the complete loss of integrity that YouTube has gone through. I might not know how to deal with my issues, but I can't let myself stand by while the world tears itself apart around me. It's good to know that other people are just as fed up as I am. (Sorry if this comment seems weirdly emotional, btw. It's been a long day/week/year for me.)
Don't worry, I did, I saw the unsub button at the very end, which was a reference to your earlier complaint of how people are begging for subs instead of the other way around.
If you could, please put time stamps for the music you put in the description. Whatever is at 31:12 is cool and nostalgic and i cant remember its name even though it's an undeniable fact that it's hiding right in my face.
EmpLemon you really moved me and you killed that normie behind the meme thanks. I remember oneyng he was the best animator back then it is great what you are doing
You also even got me started for content creators every collab you do gets people to watch others I haven't had a fucking clue who pie pivot 0 meter or goop videos were before your shrekoning collab
+emplemon all your criticisms are completely valid, i came to youtube to escape tv, and look at the state of youtube now
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Joe Frew2017-08-17 01:10:30 (edited 2017-08-17 01:11:54 )
EmpLemon -I have done just that. I'm no zombie, although I'm sure there's plenty of zombies in this world that are no better. Thanks for making this video man, though you're a little late to the party.
EmpLemon thank you for making this. This is the most clear, concise, and eye-opening video about YouTube's DOWNWARD SPIRAL into monotony and greed and I hope bigger channels that have referenced your work in the past acknowledge the points you made in this video
I watched every bit of it and I'm gonna do what you said all of your points are accurate and you're a good channel all in all I've been subbed for a while and you're making me love your channel even more nice job man
EmpLemon I watched the whole thing about five times and I still can't get enough of it I WANT MOAR! GIMME MOAR! but take your time, content is good when it's thoroughly made
EmpLemon This was(no sarcasm) the best video I have seen all year, because I was blinded by the wishy-washy cop-out content. I'm currently in the process of deleting every subscription that I don't need, and I thank you for it. This video felt like a heavy fog being lifted from my eyes, and I fully support the entirety of this amazing piece of content. I watched the whole way through, and was not disappointed in the slightest. Keep up the good work, and maybe I'll see you in the future.
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the shawnatiom2017-09-01 01:03:32 (edited 2017-09-02 23:25:35 )
EmpLemon a couple of my students in the middle school and high school recommended me the lazer collection I searched from my friend little Sy recommended me Charlie the Unicorn I also saw from my middle school animator vs. Animation
EmpLemon I did tho. I barely realized what had truly happened to YT because I've only used it for music for the past several years, I just turned a blind eye to the corruption and refused to watch things I didn't like. But seeing all the screengrabs of the old layouts helped bring the glory days of watching the earliest Poops as a tween back into my conscious awareness. Even if such days are never to return, I thank you for that.
Michael Reed2017-11-17 01:47:36 (edited 2017-11-17 01:52:31 )
EmpLemon I know you won't read this, but how can I look at the reasons why YouTube used to be fucking great if they start shaking when the Downward Spiral music starts?
And I miss it to I miss toby from annoying orange you know that guy the human I miss his youtube channel people falsely said he raped some people so he's channel got weak at least he's still making videos
EmpLemon While I do want to look for the amazing, awe inspiring, unbelievable talents that are scattered across this website, I can't say that I really know where to start. Is there a starting place that you'd recommend?
Well my channel is 400 subs. From my experience, it is extremly difficult to even get half of the subs to get in. The quality may have improved, but reaching to new heights is nothing more than a dream now
Don't worry, will do. Usually this is what I do, but thanks for reminding people to watch an entire video before commenting, though that should be obvious in the first place.
Baaaah. I honestly make videos for me. I make what I want when I want when I feel like it. And my channel growing? GOD DAMN YOU PEOPLE. Now I feel obligated to make videos when my channel doubles in the course of a month...Because a bunch of people subbed over a video where I'm talking about being betrayed by a friend. But when I make serious videos or pour my heart into something...Nope. When I made videos that had nothing but the gameplay of hardcore PVP where I'm literally being the king of the arena...Nope. Go fucking figure. People love drama more than heartfelt content. I love your channel because you don't give a flying FUCK what we think, but put your heart into what you produce, and that I respect. So from one unknown bitch to another unknown bitch, keep making videos for you.
I think people with great content still exist, is just hard to find them now In a media full of shit, just my recomended acount, and similars like the people of this comment section exist maybe we should just make a list of channels worth it, and put it somewhere to see it
I watched the whole thing; even tho you repeated a few points...a tad bit.
But i got thru and saw that square; memorable red button and was like.
HA! G O T C H A B I-
But it said unsubscribe instead; well fk...now i have to actually provide insight.
Same happened to television; take MTV for example; it used to be about MUSIC; shocking i know, and even high production value of what kids nowadays refer to as AMV.
What will happen? It will gradually fix itself as YouTube dies and people move on.
There will come a point the next generation sees it as an "uncool" thing "old people do" and just like that simply stop watching.
And well; Corporate business models always ruin good things by favoring quick returns at the cost of destroying a healthy market.
One of the greatest things I have ever seen. Shame you're not more successful, and that it took this long to find your shit. But that's 100% part of your point. Keep it real my brother, I'm inspired to just talk about shit on YouTube now.
EmpLemon I’m a new viewer on YouTube and I don’t really like ytp but I feel like so many high effort videos are swept under the rug in favor of people who can pump stuff out on the daily.
Hey so I watched the whole thing and I love your analysis. When you yell however can you actually yell? It sounds like you're trying not to wake up a pet or something. Also sorry I lied I didn't finish it but I will.
Only 0.1% of people in the WORLD can watch ALL 49 MINUTES of EmpLemon's video! CAN YOU?!?
I did. It was very well constructed and presented, both the writing and the visuals, plus some excellent choice of background music to fit the theme/mood of the section it's playing in. The whole video was very engaging and I enjoyed it a lot, I'm glad to have discovered your channel recently. Keep it up man. 8)
I did. It's the best video I HAVE EVER seen, right next to JO ThumbsUpMaster's "Banjo's Birthday" and Nostalgia Critic's "Fox Kids" episode. Bloody brilliant.
this stuff is why youre my favorite channel, and i only like pyrocynicals videos in the same vein as petscop. keep making your amazing content dude, there are still people with multiple braincels
49 minutes ain't that hard or movie theaters would be having a real problem on their hands. Granted most people zone out in theaters anyways. But nice video, and sadly still applicable today which is unsurprising. While I understand the immense passion and effort into YTP's, I typically don't watch them as they are not to my taste, that being said there are still dozens of other great types of content out there that require similar creativity and effort if not more than the average YTP as you mentioned in the video. Also, that callback to the EDM 3D intros was pretty hysterical and brought back so many memories. As dry and dull as they were, it feels like one of those things that's so bad it's good in a sense of having humor about how stupid it was, because I guarantee hardly anyone actually watched those videos and thought to themself "What a kickass intro, I must see more".
10:00 the only reason I knew this was a Johnny Test episode I watched in like 2011. Also Vine in 2015 and TikTok in 2019 had similar trends of everyone getting their 15 minutes of fame.
James Lee, exurb1a, Nexpo, CGP Grey, Joel Haver, Will McDaniel, Melodysheep, Artifexian, Tier Zoo, Nerd City, Kurzgesagt and Medicurio are the channels I have found so far to be above average in one way or another. Go check them out please they have some quality content, all of them work on the principal of quality over quantity.
On the reminding people to subscribe thing, it's a psychology thing. The call to action triggers a reminder to do so, be they know to do so or not, and this causes more subscriptions, especially in those where the video is average instead of amazing (and sometimes even if it's bad, but that's a weak will/children thing) where your first instinct isn't to subscribe without the reminder. It's actually the self conversation thing you mentioned, but it's so quick and hidden from the thinking you actually notice that you don't realise that's what your brain is doing. Doesn't take away from the point of the video, just clarifying why everyone does it.
>Kitty0706 When I saw his content on the video, I literally had an emotional downward spiral of my own. Kitty was one of the oldest and most legendary gmodder on this site who got me into Garry's mod. Now he's gone and we'll never get anymore God tier gmod videos from him again.
You think that stinks, most of the videos from my childhood have been deleted (I admittedly wasn't as active then as I am now, but still)! SpongeBob YouTube Poops were in a category all their own.... funny thing is, I watched them as a kid and was better for it! Now YouTube thinks they're too "scandalous" for "feeble young minds"... give me a fucking break. Remember the Wingardium Leviosaaa videos? The full versions were taken down. Had to be censored if they wanted to stay on YT.
I'm on a lookout for videos, and I'm putting them on an archive channel.
I select videos to reupload based on if the creator cares about reuploads or not (automatically disqualifying Unus Annus), and if it's currently up (disqualifying Kitty).
YTP is great for YouTube! And for creators and viewers. The humor and style continues to evolve.
And after hearing everything about YouTube in this video, it hit hard. Like several other content creators, YTP is what finally allowed my channel to pick up some steam. I started doing YTP for fun, and my first one ended up getting 100,000 views. But even though I had a decent run with one YTP, I'm not able to keep up and make the amount of content that's expected of the modern day YouTuber, especially when my videos still get an average of around 100 views. But it was never about the views. I make meme videos and video essays because it's fun. But sadly, fun and creativity ain't really a priority on YouTube anymore. The sad part is that I'm not alone. So many small channels end up never picking up enough steam, especially when trying to be original. And this isn't a "come subscribe to me" comment. This is just one story from the many small channels out there.
I've been watching Emperor Lemon's videos for a while, and I only now just came across this video. What a great watch! You've earned another subscriber
I'm new, so this might be a stupid question... but do you have a video that explains the unique aspects that make YouTube Poops funny, and how their style has changed over time?
I dont like to think when i watch youtube, but i like to listen to someone with good opinions, who is going to think before making content, i want to be interested and turn my brain back on because of the cideo, fuck videos that be boring
Fucking thank you. It's the only way to get away from this. TV and YouTube are both swinging so fucking fast into corporate cookie creating. Rick and Morty and WLIIA may be allowing a few views for CW and CN, but it's not enough....
The real artists behind it are Emerson Lake and Palmer, they were big in the 70's. I heard in this: Karn Evil 9, Tarkus, The curse of Baba Yaga, and many more
I dont know about u but i think yt got a lot better in mid 2020 because of mr beast i think he brought back people making videos for the fun of it. im not even a huge mr beast fan but his work has changed the platform in a good way and its only getting better from here
aight, let me tell you a story. youtube started out in 2005. it was a small yet simple site dedicated to sharing videos. in 2006, it was bought by Google for over a billion dollars. over time, it evolved into a site where anyone could upload anything they wanted, and the creative potential was limitless. by 2008, youtube was the perfect site. this is also when i got into the site, at a mere 6 years of age. (i'm young. you do the math.) the very first videos i watched were things that interested me, and then i delved into the cool shit. hell, i watched the ultimate showdown before it blew up. both myself and this site have grown up together. we evolved together. now, we come to the present. i have just realized the amount of stockholm syndrome this site has on me. i hate this site, i hate what it has become, i love emplemon's video and agree with it, yet, i can't leave. youtube has me by the balls. it is my only source of entertainment. in my poor family and my shitty life, youtube is the only thing that keeps me SANE. when this site falls, so do i. i want this site to get better and i constantly have to hope and pray that it will. but i doubt at this stage it will get better.
just want to say, I like your longer videos. You manage to take a topic that, from the outside, seems so uninteresting and boring, and turn it into something thoroughly entertaining and worthwhile. The quality, structure, and presentation that's best shown in your Never Ever and Youtube Geographic series - is admirable. I'll never tire of you picking apart all the things wrong with this website in how poorly it treats its creators and users
I don't know how many feel this way, but your choices of videos to put in the background really resonated with me.
Been on the site for long time, and seeing all the dumb (but also great) YTPs of 2009 and the great animations of 2010 - 2011 in your video gave me such a nostalgic feeling. I feel like a part of something much bigger.
It's quite simple really. YouTube doesn't care about it's creators, and never will again. It's a corporate entity. It's main objective is to make as much money as possible, not giving the people what they want.
0:02 bruh i think i have no life, like since i looked at that 8 hour documentary about a show i didn't even know existed, videos like this seem to take like only 10 minutes to finish
This is why i like fact feind with ya boy carl smallwood he dosent care about youtubes algorithm and only sponsers personal products and has multiple videos making fun of raid after they wanted a sponsor and stuff
YouTube has became a platform of work rather than hobby. Many popular channels simply have the intent of profit rather than creative integrity. It used to be all about fun and originality but now it is all about algorithms and money.
the same companies also have the exact same art style that the know makes them look high quality but its not it looks like 3 people need to make something in like 5 min and its true that I'm from the younger generation but I like good content (kingK who does in depth retrospectives on older games, SilokHawk who is a gamer and a animator who makes great content and caddicarus who is so hard to explain but good my favorite game is 13 years older then me its chrono trigger a rpg for the snes I also don't have the attention span of a fly ) so don't blame us all also you spend like 4 hours to look for 1 good channel or join a super small community that makes good content
It's bad enough when they all have to ask you to subscribe, but I can guarantee that if you tell me to "smash" that like or subscribe button, I will do no such thing, just on principle
I still come back to video, baffled that nothing has changed and has actually gotten worse. literally everything in this video is perfect. this video should play the instant someone makes a youtube account. 29:07 still my favorite part and i hate to say this, but fucking thank you for saying it.
i feel like your point can be applied to comments, too. the most liked comments are never more than a sentence or two long, and dont actually tell anything about their opinion on the video. just like Youtube videos, the Youtube Comment metagame promotes no effort and no harsh opinions.
@Exo i was thinking of the wrong guy, i meant neonbunnies. he comments multiple times on the same video and tries to get top comment with overused memes. he sometimes does.
@lostime ohhh ok... yeah, it’s really annoying to see YouTubers who attempt to push their way to the top by blowing up everyone’s comment section, posting clickbait or just making low effort, low quality “news” videos, thinking people would find that garbage entertaining to watch.... I feel as though when those types of YouTubers do actually become successful, they’ll soon begin to release that everyone’s already tired of them before they even had a chance to shine their true light with their talents, and that they took the lazy & disingenuous route for no reason at all... But maybe they deserve it because, well... Their content sucks.. After all, no one likes clickbait (besides zombie children who’ll mindlessly take anything that’s that’s shown to them), “News” type content is wayy overdone and just outright lazy.... And it’s made even worse due to the fact that you could’ve just gotten whatever information that was presented in the video in a quicker and more efficient manner, without any filler or any “DoN’t FoRgEt To LikE aNd SuBcRiBe!” Bullshit anywhere else on the internet.... So that means The news genre of YouTube has no reason to exist... Honestly, I feel like clickbait -y type YouTubers aren’t even happy with their jobs, but they still do it anyway because... It’s their only source of income that would sustain them for life, regardless of how tarnished their reputation is in real life, or the internet.... And just hearing that sentiment.... Kinda withers my soul... It’s depressing really, that YouTubers who bank off of Terrible but profitable videos are doomed to live with the curse that they created.... The curse of the way they were brainwashed into thinking was correct.... The curse of not being able to escape..... The curse of modern day YouTube.🌀
@lostime is that because the comments are sorted by only newest and most liked and not also oldest and most replys and the replys to comments are not next to the comments🧐
I cant agree with you more. i need to go at least 15+ pages to actually find a small youtuber with good content. all i ever see is giant corporations, or music media, news and stuff produced on tv always in my face. we dont have tv anymore because we hated that we were shoved media down our thoughts, always trending in mass marketing. they have their own websites for this stuff. or at least minimize their content down to only if your subscribed to them or actually searching for them should the pop up.
i want to see the old days when you could actually browse freely and find amazing things to send and talk about with your friends. we dont even get that anymore. were just force fed things and it sucks. why do we have a ton of stuff. that never gets watched. and why is so much of it just regurgitated media from tv?
take this for instance. i watched 1 clip of the simpsons and now i have 10 videos of simpsons and family guy in my feed of reposters. that just uptune the video and put in the description and thumbnail is the video from tv. why???? gah
agree with you on lots of subjects. and wish the algorithm and system actually pandered to the creators and such that does not pander to the people that have corporations or are reposting tv or daily uploads on the trending channel.
I hope when I try to be a YouTube channel I just end my videos with "Don't subscribe. Bitch." So I can utilize reverse psychology and also hurt their feelings combining into free encouragement and also to protest me hurting their feelings to subscribe.
Watching this in 2020 has reminded me that we are still spiraling down this funnel. All the good stuff is getting sifted out for lifeless bullshit. Every single commentary channel covers almost the same topics, regurgitating similar rhetoric. I've stopped watching let's plays and list videos almost all together. I'm subbed to a good amount of channels, but it's hard to even keep up with everyone. I wasn't around for the pre-2010's of youtube, but I must've missed out on a lot.
Back in my day we made things cause we wanted to, not to make money off good people. Its how things are with most things, games, youtube... porn. Its sad thats why i just watch what I like throw a like and move on. One day it will be better just not today is all.
Goddamnit Lemon....Your So Right....ill go To Hollow knight and be sad just sad.... And Yes i did watch your Entire vid i even paused it if i see something so clickbaity i dont click Example decino is one of the Amazing Youtubers i can list Many many more Closely releated is Zero Master A Doom god not the only one Of course but Defintly one of the best doom players of all time I watched his full nearly 3h doom vid If ITS QUALITY i watch it full
Back then i enjoyed shitty funny memes to Mlg Vids were so popular i remember Just mice spamming foxys Mlg vid from i cant spell the name every time i got a 360 noscope in a private lobby on ps3 bo3 u know I seen how far youtube has fallen mainly bc of you and a few other Youtubers
Man I’m glad I stumbled upon you’re channel. You’re channel is a culmination of everything I like, and the kind of content I will gladly watch for the 40 or so minutes it takes (I swear I’ve watched that Earnhardt video like.. five times.) Keep doin what you’re doing.
Considering the state of YouTube, I’ll recommend some channels for you to subscribe to
Ant Dude Sagan Hawks Totally not mark DiamondBolt BonBunFilms TheUnluckyTug Uncle Dane Organization XVX Hyuns Dojo A+Start MLDKF Schaffrillas Productions (He’s pretty big, but he makes good content, most likely because he was called out by Matpat, which reinforces Lemons point that you have to be pointed out by the bigger people than you) Saberspark EpicLinkSam (He makes nice extensions of Death Battle Songs, which is another good channel, but they’re pretty big already, so If you wanna listen to some good music for at least 10 minutes) Bloopersploof1 NJGW Weeby Newz
If you like those channels, and the eventual channels that get added to this list, My job here has been successful
This is why I'm not making a YouTube channel. I am not dealing with this shit. However, that doesn't mean I'm going to participate. I wish the best luck to you EmpLemon! It makes me happy that you've gotten this far!
I guess I am the only one who has never been to the trending page, has only found subscriptions by searches or recommendation and has kept a tightly curated his subscription list the entire time.
Youtube is still a great experience for me for the time being. What's everyone else's excuse? This wasn't hard to pull off. My sub box is full of new and interesting content everyday. A high percentage of it gets watched. Don't be lazy. Follow EmpLemon's advice. Cut the shit from your sub box and go find worthwhile channels.
Jakugen, you hit the nail on the head with that one. I've been subscribed to a lot of artists over the years and even built a conversation with some, heck maybe even a connection even if they're big content creators and most of the time, it's found from suggestions related to the content I'm watching, so I kinda exploited that and exclusively watch the content I like, as EmpLemon said he used to and does.
Sometimes content that gets spoonfed to me is something I watch because I don't know any better, but it does take time for me to realise that these videos are just bland and instead of just passively intake it, I try focus more attention on the content I like, which is sometimes just as easy to digest after a month of seeking.
Good content can only be given to those deserving, and it shouldn't be enough to complain about the lack thereof when you haven't put the work into finding it.
Good advice but all that is going to change if this just goes on. They are probably going to shove those trending pages down the consumers fucking throat anyways. So even if we ignore every crappy youtuber on this website and become completely inhumane by just forcing yourself to watch a few "interesting content" YouTube channels. Of course everyone has a different opinion on what is interesting content and what is not.
Yeah, I hardly look at trending either. Sometimes I do out of morbid curiosity but other than that no. The only time I watched videos that were currently trending was with Internet Historian's Rainfurrest video and when Gorillaz's new music was trending.
I’m actually going to disagree about your point of youtubers asking people to sub. You’d be surprised by how many channels are out there that have a video or two with millions of views that only have maybe 10,000-50,000 subscribers. It’s rather heartbreaking to see sometimes because their other videos that didn’t get the millions are often also just good. But because, like you said, many people are too lazy to actually look into their channel via the multiple clicks to look at them, people simply don’t subscribe. I agree, I find it very annoying when a large, long running channel keeps asking “hey, subscribe”, but for the smaller guys, I find it completely understandable.
9:13 Rags to Riches 10:13 Exceptional People Could Excel 11:02 Curiosity & Discovery 12:06 Animation Excellence 13:06 Personal Personalities 14:22 Creativity & Originality 15:16 The Ultimate TV Alternate
@bundleofthxughts not sure if this is ironic but if it isnt, just stop. You're acting immature and said what you said because the The guy in the video said something like "most people who don't watch the entire thing are mindless zombies."
YouTube is slowly becoming a corporate wasteland, where channels such as us create new passionate content and Jake Paul dabs and plays with fidget spinners. It's honestly really frustrating to put so much effort in to making shows with there own custom art work and theme song, but we're overshadowed by the corporate shills. With the way YouTube is going, we may never get as big as some of the powerful titans that pump out garbage on a daily basis. But we sit and work hoping that we may reach that level of popularity.
28:00 The whole subscribe thing is just there to inform me to press the thumbs up, thumbs down, add to playlist, and share so I can increase the interactivity for the algorithm.
Even better since 2021 they've been regulating comments very much. I've been on youtube since 2005 and in 2021 alone I managed to be banned twice!
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h h2017-08-16 23:44:35 (edited 2017-08-16 23:51:14 )
this video had many valid points about issues with youtube HOWEVER i feel like it comes from a place of nostalgia and it overlooks the numerous problems with old youtube and the improvements made in some aspects, the anger poured into this video prevented it from being fair and alot of it comes across as "i miss the OLD youtube" . that being said alot of youtubes problems portrayed here are real and as a wannabe youtube struggling to think about how i can make my content stand out i feel for you.
My god this was amazing. I'm a small short film channel focused on experimenting with all kinds of styles of videos. These short films take a very long time to produce and each video is meticulously hand crafted. Of course, YouTube doesn't really approve of this and therefore I have to endlessly promote my videos on social media and leech off of my larger channel with a completely different type of fanbase to get any views. It sucks that this type of content isn't welcomed anymore. This is the type of stuff people should be watching. But thanks for the video. Glad it's getting attention.
the first 2 points don't really count. it's a consequence of youtube getting big. with the exception of reaction channels. i really don't like reaction channels.
To claim, watch 5 top video list videos, 2 TTS Wikipedia video, 8 reaction videos, 6 pop songs, and a 60 minute long pirated documentary recorded on a shaky cam with the person sneezing.
I support someone called GreatnationHD who makes GTA 5 movies around the theme of Christine without any dialogue but he puts a good amount of work into it and i only discovered it through watching fast and furious scene recreations.
Personality I think you get the gaming bit rather wrong. I'm poor. And I use my dad's computer to watch gaming videos since I can't afford them myself. I'm sure there are people who just watch them play and not play it themselves, but I think a good amount of people who can't afford games like them.
This video made me angry not because of what he said about the braindead people, but because I know hes absolutely right about youtube being shit in its current state, and it probably isn't going to get better any time soon.
Who els feels like just going on newgrounds and playing flash games for hours so you don’t have to find shit you could not care less about on YouTube when your looking for actual quality content
This is a comment from 2021, Thom Tillis’s lawful act has been set up and innocent creators will get arrested just because they played copyrighted music in their videos for barley 0.0001 Planck times. It just astounds me how ignorant and greedy people can be. Now, all that matters in the world is how heavy your wallet is.
Wow, you're near 200k subs. That's an achievement. I respect your YTPs and even your SCREW series because they're not the stuff I normaly expect. It was different and disrinct to your style. May you have another year in the downward spiral with all of your non empty subs.
Sincerely, Nerd with 20 subs and 2 bad TF2 vids that were a YEAR OLD. With NO EDITS. I was lazy then.
2100: “13 second vid” Me: ok let’s watch this clip OMG 10000 HOUR UNSKIPPABLE AD I GUESS ILL PLAY MINECRAFT OMG MY COMPUTER IS LOCKED! Ok fine ill play IPad roblox- are you serious. It locked me into youtube
27:45 you know... you'd think that you made a great counterargument... however statistics show that if you dont choke your video with constant reminders to subscribe to your channel, you actually dont get as many subs... and im not kidding here. ask any of those channels that cram sub notifications down your throat to not do it for a few videos, and you'll see that they dont get as many subs. i wish it wasnt so, however unfortunately your point is invalidated by the stupidity of the average person. sorry emp.
When algorithm only shows you stuff it wants to show you, it's not much different from typical TV broadcasting. I need to manually search for shit and check different channel's subscription's and related channels in order to find anything new. Certain content I can't even find with searching for it with 100% correct words, even 1 typo won't show you some videos on search results.
Regards: Person who replaced TV back in 2010 with youtube, and used it since before google bought it.
I watched all 49 minutes of this and I want anybody who says "Oh, the video is too long" to grow a few brain cells and man up! Watch all 49 minutes and the Deleted BTM skit, you won't regret it one bit!
The irony is that this hate is all over Youtube similar to how it is in the video. I'm just worried about the kids that don't know about this stuff if anything...
Does anyone know of a new website thats more reminicent of early Youtube? Thats actually upcoming and where content and creators are actually able to share and create content?
I don't like nowdays ytps much, they're too chaotic and most of the time confuses me more than anything, old ytps were funny and weird... And I stopped watching behind the meme long ago due to his poor research, if you're too lazy to research, don't do it.
WOOP WOOP grammar police here. I'm here to inform you that you've committed a crime against grammarmanity. Crime: saying teached instead of taught Sentence: having to read this overly long, drawn out, unfunny comment
Wait... Isn't it possible to just create a new platform that would basically go "so remember the wild west days of YT? Yeah, that's what this is. No copyright claims if you don't upload whole movies, no real restrictions on video's that don't show any illegal stuff and just... Pure creative freedom. No censoring, no banning of weird stuff just because it's weird. Just... Chaos and see what works. And we do it all for free. You can't go earn money with it, but in return, there are no ads and you can upload whatever you want within reason!" like... We won't replace YT, but instead give people the option to go back to those days of the place where you could occasionally find some freaky shit that keeps you up at night, but you could also find the most funny or interesting thing ever, never even being able to imagine how the fuck you got there!
I've been silent for a while about this topic, but I feel now is a great time to talk about this as well. I'm also anti-normie in video games. Not so much them playing games, but talking about them. I've been BTM'd recently by RelaxAlax, the guy who makes "Know Your Moves" for Smash 4. Which is fine, but then me makes a Fire Emblem one, a poorly done one when I've made one in January in time with Mystery of the Emblem's anniversary. The issue here is he begins by stating "I know nothing about Fire Emblem" and butchers everything. My video is more informed due to I play the games and I like the series. Unlike him I had to go out of my way to buy the games instead of emulating them or copying footage from someone else. Before this Aaronitmar made a "Color Origin" for the Fire Emblem characters and gets almost all of them wrong and the worst part is he got his information from a tumblr post- a tumblr post. Then RelaxAlax does the same thing and adds terrible filler and jokes and tuns into a generic Youtuber.
Personally, I'm 21 and I recently applied for Nintendo/Intelligent Systems, the Japanese developers that make Fire Emblem. I got accepted and applied for a position as a planner and designer for the series. From now to June of 2018 I have to make two different games consisting of two different genres, passed timed written/college exams, and pass a staff interview with someone form the same position as me and they only hire one person per year. First I'm an American who nor am I Asian ethnic wise or Nationality wise so I'll be the first to apply in general and for those positions at a young age, I'll be 22 by then though. Americans are generally looked down upon and usually expected to go to Nintendo of America, but I want to make games and aspire to better the video game industry and community, especially he Fire Emblem community. People like Aaronitmar and RelaxAlax make me look bad when I spent my highschool years and college years meeting with older Nintendo employees and talking with Intelligent Systems staff during events in Japan. Naturally when I saw them makes videos about Fire Emblem I was worried and after watching them I was upset that they both knew nothing. In his defense I make poor quality videoe using Windows Movie Maker, because I make youtube videos for fun an never ask for views or to "like, comment, subscribe, support me on patreon". I'm just a guy who likes video games and the Fire Emblem series. I know most of my content is unoriginal, but unlike youtubers I aminformed and the the truth and facts which is why I like to make fact videos, because they're easy and I can have fans voice over them. I also am against let's plays of newer games since it's bad for marketing and I want people to play games not watch them. People like Aaronitmar and RelaxAlax alienate new players and preexisting ones with false information and poor quality content. Even the popular subscriber count channels that talk about Fire Emblem make poor content and continue to alienate players. Players shouldn't settle for poor content or say a bad/good game is good/bad for subjective reasons. It's fine if you like a game subjectively, but objective constructive reception is good for improving the video game industry than saying "it sucks" or "best game 10/10".
Thanks for your time Emplemon. I've been a fan since the Uncredibes and the Spongebob videos Continue making great content and as usual have a great day!
With RelaxAlax's video of Fire Emblem, I wholeheartedly agree that he shouldn't have made it in the first place. But, I must ask, does this opinion go towards every video he does or only the FE video?
Fire Emblem World if you don't mind me asking what software are you planning on using to make your 2 games? is it something that the company is gonna provide or are you gonna use one of the free ones?
To add more context, I messaged him last year on twitter asking if he needed help with the Fire Emblem characters and he replied with "He already has it done and it should be uploaded soon". So in January of 2017 I make the Marth that's 15:30 long and he hasn't made one yet. In August he makes one and it's about as long as mine and follows the same flow as mine in terms of organization. I gave him the benefit of the doubt and watched his whole series and I watched some videos prior to the Fire Emblem one. He does everything well with only a small handful of mistakes mostly in names such as in the Little Mac one he calls the "Hook" a "Body Blow", and mislabels the "Straight". It's common since most people don't watch or play Boxing. He makes decent content and well researched and I liked how for the two Link videos he played Ocarina of Time and gains an appreciation for the character. In the Fire Emblem one he begins by stating he knows nothing about the series so it's already a poor impression. It's mostly towards just the Fire Emblem one. I like his content, but the Fire Emblem one is easily his weakest and poorly researched.
I know for my presentation it has to done by using Windows software with 20 slides or less. I'm not sure about making the prototype of the project. It has to be done by me using my own resources. I'm working backwards currently since I have to design scenarios/chapters, units, characters, classes, and storyboard for plot and areas. My primary project is a new "Fire Emblem" with a heavy focus on immersion and accessibility so it takes up a majority of my time. My second is mostly going to be something simple to gain hands-on experience with programming like a puzzle, fighting, or rhythm game.
My presentation for the game has to be done in 20 slides or less, like a makeshift Nintendo Direct. The game can be presented in any way, but actual progress towards the game is preferred. Being a planner doesn't require full mastery of programming, just enough to communicate with the entire staff. I mostly know design and recently took 2 classes in programming.
being a game designer doesn't require a full mastery of programming but you still need to know a lot of it if you're gonna make your own game.
also wanted to say after reading your original comment I think it inspired me to at least start on making my own game. or if nothing else a review of a game series I like pointing out its design flaws and how they could be fixed.
Correct. The reasons I chose Nintendo/Intelligent Systems over Nintendo of America is because I wanted to make games. As a designer I could make the game I always visioned and have full control over it. As a planner I can work with the whole staff and oversee production of my projects from start to finish while engaging in constructive criticism with the full staff and help newer members with hand on experience with games while working as a team. Like EmpLemon said, media becomes stale when there's no innovation and it never ventures outside its "comfort zone". I want to see a difference and I wanted to be that difference. I'm glad I could inspire you. I wish you the best of luck. Finding an identity is hard, but I know you'll find it through inspiration. Be the difference you want to see and have a great day!
Fire Emblem World Why is everyone hating on you man?
I read this whole thing, top to bottom and I couldnt believe RelaxAlex actually did that. Whenever I see someone I love gain popularity, they start losing the magic they once had and their fame goes to their head. I see this with a lot of Youtubers and it sucks that YouTube allows all this To happen.
I am a High school junior student right now, and Ive always wanted to go to Japan, and meet the greats at Nintendo. I like how you are trying to stand up and show that you arent just a "weak" American like the world thinks we are and show your worth. I respect that.
I enjoy the Fire emblem series and seeing more informative people like you fall down the ranks is depressing.
Thanks. Good luck to you in High School. What are you planning to do afterwards? I also just ignore the troublemakers. If they aren't going to give any thing constructive it's not worth it.
You could not begin to know how jealous and envious I am that you got a job at one of the Japanese Nintendo subsidiaries. It's been my dream to make a Nintendo game since... Well I guess it's probably been your dream too. I hope you prove to Japan (and especially Nintendo) that westerners aren't half as dumb as they seem to think we are. Ha ha! Don't give up, get your family to help you! Make us proud!
And please promise us if you get the job for good, that you'll (help) fix Paper Mario? After all, Paper Mario was made by Intelligent Systems and deserves love, too. And that series was probably the biggest thing I ever wanted to contribute to from Nintendo... Or maybe I should get off my lazy butt and follow in your foot steps! Ha ha ha. You've rejuvenated my desire to make games. Thank you!
I don't really ask for help for anything. Everything I've done is by me, much like this channel. If you do want to support me then the best way is to buy Nintendo software whether it be systems or games. I'm glad I could inspire you to make games as well. I've gotten several messages about the Paper Mario series and I'll do what I can. The 30th anniversary is in 2020 so if you see anything, I'll do my best. My biggest inspiration for making games was my "dad" and working as a elementary school teacher's assistant for a short while. I would do story time of the Fire Emblem series and it motivated me to make this channel and make content for the player base for free. I don't say "...like, comment, subscribe, etc..." or put adds in any of the videos and are only there for the viewer's entertainment. Right now I'm still deciding on the second genre of my 2nd game and working on a real documentary of the best Fire Emblem game in the series and its revolutionary impact on the series and gaming industry as well as history and inside look of the series including "Elm Kaiser, the Holy Sword" and "Fire Emblem 64 Dark Priestess", it's going to be a long video. Thank you for your support and comments SPOONS.
Hm... I think I have an idea for an art project... But I'm not gonna say what it is yet, just in case someone big is trying to steal the idea and fuck me over... Not that I expect it to go big, but still... The idea is more about the statement... Also, if, and only IF I end up doing this, I'll make sure to credit you and probably specifically this video, EMP. you deserve that credit, however little it may be, for helping the idea spark in my head
This video was pretty inspiring. I like the message you gave. You seemed to be acting a little mean spirited during the video, but I can see where you're coming from. I hope to watch another video from you!
Amazing video, EmpLemon. I love how you can provide points and make a video essay while also making it entertaining and not come off as pretentious and condescending. Good Job.
youtube doesnt exist its advertising now i want to steal as many advertisements as possible and put them in a compilation and tell people to loop it for the proper corporate youtube experience otherwise have their corporate mandated life support shut off for not watching enough advertisements
I feel gluity but yeah I do just ignore most of the youtubers I'm subbed to, not because their bad but because I got either school work to do, or it's something I really wanna watch but I rather play a game a listen,
To be fair, you have to have a high IQ to understand EmpLemon. The memes are not subtle at all and it will still go over the usual viewer's head, because we're all dumb.
36:30 isn't that a proud boy shown to symbolize dissemination of valueable information?
I mean the point you are making while talking about it seems reasonable, buuuuuut I am not sad if fascists are limited in their capabilities, even if I don't like the systems that shut them up.
I agree with every point you made. YouTube used to have a motto, "Broadcast Yourself", and that really meant something. There was a sense of freedom and quality that made it better than TV. Now, it's all a bunch of trash pushed out by, like, some kind of fucking factory, all part of this whole corporate master plan with a carefully designed algorithm to make sure that small channels never get seen, and the huge channels get stupid-rich. Simply put, YouTube isn't fun anymore. Also, I don't think video tags actually work anymore.
BTW, your video is technically long enough to be considered a feature film.
I want to change my account. But feeding the algorithm again, no way. 10+ years feeding it. Recently it seems a bit lost though. But there are too may cringe comments of mine on this account, when I was fairly young. Teenager me was a bit weird
I once started on this site watching AO and Fred vids. Then went to Minecraft machinimas. Then introduced into G-mod vids. Then it introduced me into steam games. Then YTP. Then music. Then animation. And things that were actually handed to me as likeable content. I look back on these channels over a decade later. They've gone to shit. They rode the sellout train. They were forced into let's play channels. Some simply just left YouTube. Basically, this website founded AND demolished my internet childhood. For what it is, the huge demonetization outbreak was just the last nail in the coffin. I liked YouTube and all, but it's one of those things you just have to put down now. This video simply put into terms everything wrong with the website. It was well polished and researched. You deserve a sub ere' Emperor.
YouTube just removed the dislike button….adding shorts to copy Tiktok (a competitor) damn for a video 4 years ago it’s very accurate for what he is saying
Youtubers begging for subscriptions is pretty annoying. I can understand it but when they throw out the "only 5% of people who watch subscribe so don't be one of the 95%!!" I draw the line. I came here to learn a minecraft mechanic not to follow your channel.
IDK how anyone could misinterpret or not 'get' the point of your "Behind The Meme" 'review'. You make a very clear and passionate case for him to WISE UP. There is no confusion about that.
Well, you inspired me to do a huge clean-up of the channels I'm subscribed to... Now I'm only subbed to people I am currently watching or ones I think may upload good stuff again soon... That and maybe a few with great stuff that are kinda dead maybe but I just wanna be able to easily find again
With the massive rise of YT shorts, we now realize the true potential of beginner content creators... Oh yeah, there is none. Apparently they're all just stupid kids from TikTok, and none of the good ones, either.
what's funny is that I noticed a very big difference between the mentalities and personalities of original creators and normie content creators. Of course, we all know the difference, of course the original creators are more intelligent, but also very much less controversial. Let's look at Alinity or Ninja, they have always caused controversy and they are overused-normie content creators. They are very stupid, have caused controversy, and humiliated themselves, many times. Have we seen much of that in actual intelligent, original content creators? Nope, not really.
Also, many big youtubers are afraid of trying to innovate and try new things because they think they will lose all of their viewers, which is ignorant and negative. At least...just *try*. Has anyone heard of that word before? Just... *Try*? or is that too much?
I feel like the only reason that my recommended feed isn't complete trash is because I've been using the site so heavily for so long. I've been on since like 2007/2008, and the algorithm would be sweating to find a way to shove garbage into the categories of vids I watch. But yeah. New people have near 0 chance of discovering actually good and original content.
My entire recommended feed is political spew and deja vu. I try to motivate myself to make content that isn't vapid like everything else but I remember nothing is going to fucking change
My algorithm is godlike for me, but maybe it's because I mainly use YouTube to discover good obscure music from the past, and it feels like I've been riding this train for years. There is definitely no shortage of good quality full album rips of stuff you will never see on any other platform than YouTube. Finding informative 'video essay' style channels turned into its own rabbit hole sort of. I mean that's why I'm even here in the first place, because EmpLemon's Never Ever series looked intriguing. But I'm sure it's the same for most subjects — if you dig deep enough, you'll find the quality content.
I agree. I feel sorry for anyone who makes an account today. They would only be shown absolute shit videos while many gems will never be seen. I even find people with over a million subs that aren't recommended to me but have several videos I like and I'm just like, how the fuck was I never shown this?
I've been watching youtube since 2011. I lost my old accounts but I still like to rewatch old videos I've seen. Because of this, I occasionally get some good videos, but the majority are either shit, something I'm not interested in, or videos I've already watched 50 times.
Stanley Smooth2020-03-30 17:04:16 (edited 2020-05-08 20:15:24 )
I've been on here damn near every day since 09, but I only created my current account a couple years back, meaning my recommended is complete shit. The only good small youtubers I ever found from it was Scott the Woz back in 2017, when he was still a very small channel.
nowadays i get a mix of trash, good content and videos that ive already watched like a million times before, i have an account since 2013 but ive been on youtube since the freddiew and smosh days (when they were at their peak)
Honestly, I wish we could go back to the days before ad revenue... before we had all of this "Who's watching this in Blah blah blah" and people not even being down to earth or honest. I gotta say... I agree with you on this video, every step of the way.
I find it telling actually. All the TF2bers he likes are not the big ones. Uncle Dane, After Breakfast, a lot of new, original content creators who didn't jump ship to Overcock when it came out.
Lets face it, Muselk is part of the cancer he's talking about in this video.
On the topic - I've noticed that the Algorithm specifically puts Fall of Civilizations' YT channel on autplay/recommend exclusively around 4am. It knows I like to listen to longform history while i sleep >.>
This video fills me with so much shame. I've been watching vids since 2008, and I never really stopped. I feel like dropping dead after seeing this, my god. I hope things could get better, eventually.
Now i open youtube scroll and scroll untill either i find a vid after 3-5 minutes or a see another video which makes me think of a different youtuber i want to watch
I'd like to think Youtube has improved in 2019 since the vid but their policies have gotten worse and the mainstream content more trash. So its good to see niche or talented youtubers like Internet Historian or Ken Iijima succeed in an oversaturated website. Great Vid Emp :)
I'm left with a decision: make a channel and try to further this message as best I can and with all the tools I can use. Or I can try to get everyone to stop watching youtube, get people to revolt and stand against them, see what life is like if we stop and make what we want. There may not even be a chance that either option will work, but I'm gonna try. Every other aspect of life is going down the shitter, so I might as well build this last pillar back up, and go from there. Maybe it will work. Maybe.
I love these rant videos because I get to learn alot from the great and wise emp lemon, though I do end up getting anxious because I feel I always have start increasing the quality of my content after watching/ listening to one of these videos due to fear some stupid irrational fear of sorts in this case the "telling people to subscribe" thing which i'll promptly stop doing, great video mr. lemon
that would probably then result in a flood of tiny videos flooding the algorithm, and that may've already happened since i feel like youtube loves to recommend short videos now
During early 10s I wanted to become a YouTuber to be famous, but during my 5th grade I was popular TOO popular with my class that I couldn't get any alone time and if I became a YouTuber who wanted to famous today I could gone through the same way as my 5th grade year and i decided to stop becoming a YouTuber for fame
Man, animation is fighting a losing battle against the algorithm... and there are some great animators in this website that aren't getting the attention they deserve. I can't name any besides NCHproductions (check him out if you like monster hunter), but there is this other great animator that I'm subbed to, he makes animations based around LPers, mostly TRG, though. He made some on Tom Fawkes (the spear saga) and masaeanela (yeti ski race), so we will see if he branches out further. Try to find him, he does good stuff.
Google taking over was a mistake, it shouldn't have been that's the sad part; the oppressive legalism over copyright bureaucracy however is the frustrating part.
Unfortunately, Google taking over was inevitable and what saved YouTube from the Viacom lawsuit. If they haven't then Viacom would win and we would have lose the original YouTube creativity anyway. And even if YouTube won, they would have eventually been bought out by some big company anyway because YouTube wouldn't make money otherwise
Imo, newgrounds was edgy in that you had an incentive to throw lots of swears, put lots of violence, and have fun with the boys. It's a type of edgy similar to what you can see in South Park imo.
FnF player's edgyness manifests as being an angsty emo crybaby. "Waaah my OC is BF, but his flesh was stripped by his a&¥$ive parents and now all that's left of him are bones. And he dresses up like Sans. Thankfully, he can find some peace in my hurt comfort fic I just wrote(careful, it's nsfw!)"
Just because Fulp was happy about it doesn't mean he's infallible. Was FNF being allowed to draw in so many coomers a mistake? I'd personally liken it more to a miscalculation, or a compromise. It had it's benefits, but it came at the cost of the Newgrounds culture.
You know, the thing that makes me the most sad, which I guess in a way is kind of funny, is the fact I'm not sad that YouTube is going to wither into nothing, Which will happen because of how set Google are in their ways, but the fact that when it does, so many amazing videos will be lost to time, and likely unarchived.
All because Google is so far up their own ass that they believe that nobody else but them can make good decisions, and ideas, which is hilarious when you realize YouTube was a beautiful landscape until Google came in with a bulldozer forcing them to sell, and just destroyed everything we loved whole constantly looking towards us with a disgusting grin, and a thumb high up, encouraging us this is better. Google, and YouTube is the real-life equivalent of those overly dramatic "we need to save the park!" plots in shows,except in this case it comes with the all-too-real consequence that we can't do a damn thing. We're getting a beating every morning, and we have to fucking thank them for it. Because if we don't we can get kicked from the platform for any reason they like, get further buried, or even worse... Nothing will happen.
This isn't YouTube anymore, it's a Frankenstein-level corpse that just wants to die, but Google keeps zapping it with electricity, and forcing it to live as the monster they created. I seriously wish companies like Google would meet horrible financial disasters, because then we could watch them suffer like they so gleefully watched their customers, users, and all-else suffer from the changes they constantly make to non-broken systems. It'll always be the same damn thing with them.
Google; If it ain't broke, break it, claim it's a problem, replace it, and say the replacement is an improvement despite being inferior to previous feature even when it was broken. Google can't even make a product better than something broken. It's fucking sad how they managed to be the biggest company in the world with incompetence of that scale. The trend setters are just followers now, and they're following a derailed, crashing train.
I don't want to see youtube die. I don't want to. It's like those rage comics you see on Facebook or the current simpsons, it's shit, cancer, aids, and disgusting, but there was a time you loved it with your entire being, when you laughed at it, and it removed all the worries and troubles from your life from a few moments, but those memories from the golden period come back so often and feel so warm you can't kill it. It's impossible to bring yourself to do it. You've grown too attached, and simultaneously hope it withers, but hope it just keeps going forward, no matter how shit it is. That is why I don't want to see YouTube dead. I've loved it for too long.
YouTube's soul is gone but it's a historic brand name and seems pretty damn successful. I really don't think it's going to die in the forseeable future. I think the people saying that don't realise that the masses are completely and utterly fine with YouTube. This site is way more difficult to replace or ignore than cable, which a lot of the masses actually moved on from.
Reminder that T-Series is #1 in sub counts. The masses don't care, the masses don't know what the soul of this site was, the masses only use YouTube extremely casually and look for stupid content, and the corporations are only interested in the masses, and YouTube is run by and in bed with corporations more and more.
I do see an eventual purge of really old/low-view content, maybe. And yeah, that stuff is gonna be unarchived which fucking blows.
the comments are pretty crap theyre only pretending the bangers known as ant farm videos are better than emplemons video even though theyre better than any video on youtube
It's the same as in every "new, exciting" creative endeavor. Once corporations get a hold of it, or money gets involved, the product becomes poisoned. The problem is that most creative people are terrible at sales and sales people are almost never creative. So you get this vicious circle where the creative idea gets milked because it sells, but then it becomes stale. So the creative side wants to do something new, but that's risky, because what if it doesn't sell? So either something new and creative gets made which goes through the same process again, or you get content that stops being creative and gets stale.
37:30 LMAO << THERE Is a Youtube movie( free with ads) right next to this Video !!! LMAO YOUTUBE IS TRYING TO BE LIKE TV .. when it should be the opposite ..
I'm going to try starting a YouTube channel. The whole video talked about how it's practically impossible to do that now, but this whole pretty much 50 minute video has inspired me. I'm writing this at the very end, and it's only just helping push me to finally posting my first video, be it a short five minute one due to recording everything on an iPad because I'm a poor fuck who can't afford all the equipment needed to actually make a proper video. This is basically just a big thank you paragraph, to be honest. And no, I will not be posting my videos on this channel, I will be doing it on another one. But yeah, your channel deserves a lot more subs then you've got, man, and even though you insist for all of us subscribers to unsubscribe, I don't think I'll be doing that any time soon. Keep making the amazing content that you are, because it truly is different from practically everything else I've seen since everything actually is just a carbon copy of everything else on this damn site. Good luck on not getting demonetized by the YouTube bots, by the way.
Honestly, just pick this mindset: I just want to do this stuff, and post it for others to see. You don't have to care about anything else other than your content if you follow that ultimate level of ignorance
zushi zaurus glad this video encouraged you mabye if you continue to create and improve and mabye if your big enough you can influence youtube to make good content only
But really, even if YouTube becomes more of a shitshow, there's really nowhere else to go. The content I like to watch is on YouTube, it's been on YouTube for half my life, and my content is on YouTube. I don't know if I could switch to an alternative, because YouTube is all I've ever known. There is nothing else.
That's because Modern YouTube is designed to ensure that no competitor can come close.
Google's employing the Walmart strategy: Lose money on one aspect (YouTube doesn't make a profit) in order to ensure zero competition (no other site can run for long in the same way YouTube can without bankrupting itself).
If Modern YouTube was designed any differently, it would have more competitors, and it would have died from running at a loss without a profit.
@Just a rat ripping a bong my animations are not good enough to be on newgrounds wheeze- Compared to people there I'm just starting out they'd drag me over the coals
There was a grand tree I used to look at every day as a child on my way to primary school. It towered over me, my dad, the buildings, and even all the other trees. It was comforting to know that every day on my way to school, I would always see the same tree greeting me as I walked past. Even as a teenager, when I walked past the tree on my way from secondary school, I would note that it wasn't producing fruit or leaves anymore. As I got older and learned more about the world, I started to understand that this tree is not only dead, but it's been dead for many years. It's still there in that exact same spot, alive to anyone who casually walks past it, but it's long gone in reality. I've given that dead tree a name: Youtube.
Seriously, Youtube is a tree: You always think it's just too big to die, and it'll always be there, but effectively, it can and will die, even if no-one notices until after it's too late. I think Youtube is still there, but it's original premise and soul is dead.
If I had to challenge myself and my subscriptions, I'd say the only "corporate" channel is the official Queen channel. Outside of that, I'm subscribed to a ton of channels pandering to the algorithm (Phantomstrider, Nathaniel Bandy) but most of them have been doing it since before Youtube broke itself, and would be doing it anyway (Chuggaaconroy, Nintendocaprisun). I trust those to be genuine people and not just money-suckers. It doesn't matter anymore because I'm mostly on Vid.me rather than Youtube nowadays anyway.
Also, I feel like after the Behind the Meme video and now this, Emplemon's still building up towards even bigger-scale rants, like the state of humanity or something!
i fucking love this video, dude. i stopped watching television all together in 2013 for this exact reason. television is 90% cancer, 5% aids, and 5% watchable content. but even then, you have to sit through hours of commercials that make me feel like i am literally losing brain cells. like you, that's exactly why i switched to youtube. i identify with so much of this video, and the fact that youtube has gotten so shitty that there are actual children's playlists consisting of endless copycat videos of elsa getting date-raped by the fucking joker, makes me want to cut my own fucking head into individual slices and put them in a toaster, so these money hungry sociopaths can literally eat my brain cells, instead of slowly sucking my soul out through the algorithm.
10/10 video, mate. this NEEDS to be seen by everyone on youtube.
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iMac G4 TV 2.02017-08-24 01:25:56 (edited 2017-08-24 01:26:04 )
This needs to be put on TV, maybe on independent TV stations or on Ion.
Been straight up consuming YouTube for over a decade now and for the first time this year I thought about avoiding this site completely for a couple of months because of how much the site has gotten so shitty in content, community and especially quality
OSTrules heck I also was about to give up and post somewhere else but then I tried again and again which never works. So I will think about leaving this website for good but posting videos I already have most of clicks from other websites. Yeah it just sucks nowadays.
Better. Way better. Well, at least the YouTube Community is better. It isn't as corporate as some people may make it out to be now. Big corporations are seemingly less popular than ever now. And there are still some smaller creators that are making the rounds. Millions of people will still watch Jimmy Kimmel, or WatchMojo. But they're the ones who are choosing to watch it. I say just trying and ignore them and try and deviate from them.
Wdym "late stage capitalism"? Google's monopoly is crumbling gradually , as the competition restores the internet to its early 2000's decentralised state. To me, that demonstrates that capitalism is in its prime
Only watched a few of your videos so far but I am already impressed with your commitment, relentlessness and diligence into your content. Your passion is also inspiring. Do you also think Twitch could be a viable competitor?
After watching your video, I actually took some initiative, and looked at your subscriptions to find good content. Instead of watching stuff just because it was there like you mentioned near the end, I got opened up to a lot of REALLY good and horrifically underrated content. I clicked on videos and channels because they looked good and interesting. Also, I guess I'm one of the lucky few 15 year-olds who knows who Rebecca Black was. Hell, I used to watch the very first episodes of Death Battles. And back then, because I was STOOPID, I binge watched Annoying Orange. I have a lot of Youtube experience, most of which I got from using the internet browser on the PS3 back when it was "next-gen".
Thanks for inspiring me, Lemon. I look forward to whatever follows this video.
Captain Io Dude I remember the old days where you didn’t need a google account for YouTube. The days where Fred, Ytps, The first let’s plays, videos about my favorite video games and movies, and Annoying orange were common to see. Those were the days.
This was an amazing video, I've felt the exact same way as things get more and more dumbed down and "streamlined" as Todd Howard would put it. There are some good YouTubers left like you mentioned, and if you don't mind I'd love to shoutout one of my favorite ones here because her channel isn't that big but she's probably the exact opposite of what YouTubers nowadays stand for. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCPhvw06BupffcviCe6LMLgQ
That being said there are some big channels that are good too, but of course we gotta try to help out some of these little guys whenever we can. I've been considering starting a YouTube channel similar to the one I just linked, but I've been really intimidated to do so for a lot of the reasons you listed. But seeing her channel somehow miraculously succeed gives me hope. I do think certain categories are the key.
For example with The Authentic Observer's channel- the one I just mentioned- she talks about books, storytelling, culture, etc. Since that's not common for most YouTube channels, maybe that's how she got thousands of viewers. Still not a lot, but definitely successful this early on.
So it's made me wonder if talking about some of the more serious stuff is what makes a YouTuber stand out. Creating good animation or funny, entertaining videos isn't enough anymore because that's what all the corporate giants are doing.
However channels like Shoe0nhead make stupid and entertaining content based entirely on mocking political and cultural events and people, as do channels like Tim Pool and The Quartering. What makes these YouTubers successful is not only are they hard-working and making meaningful, entertaining content, but they're taking on topics that the big YouTubers aren't. Big YouTube channels like T-series aren't talking about the importance of whether or not you kill Mr. House in Fallout New Vegas, nor are they talking about why Cassandra Clare's books suck the way The Authentic Observer does.
So it seems to me the secret is not only original content, but an original topic. One example that I think proves this completely is when the channel The Theorizer, who does theories on animated movies, picked apart Coraline and created a massive audience out of thin air. Until he brought it up, no YouTubers out there were doing long, 30-minute+ analysis videos of the 2009 stop-motion film Coraline, but as soon as he did, a bunch of other big YouTubers tried to steal his idea, but it was too late. He already had millions of views on his Coraline videos and everyone knew he was the one who started that trend, and he even pointed out which channels stole his idea and it only reinforced the image of his originality.
I wonder what would happen if there was a wipe. Everyones subscribers and content is just suddenly reset. I understand for some people its how they make their living, but i mean theorectically what would happen if suddenly everything was reset.
Really? I think the same amount of problems from this 2017 video still existed on YouTube currently. I feel like 2022 has been the worse year where users sub count is not coming close to there view count, for example if someone has 400k sub they are averaging like 10k views. it's crazy
Me too. I remember using YouTube since 2010, maybe 2011, a time when YouTube was full of genuine content like cat videos, Nyan cat as well as laser collection and other memes of the day as well as hand done animations made by normal people, but now YouTube Is full of Elsa and Spider-Man child porn, fidget spinners, letsplays and other cringy shit.... Sure animation did see a slight resurgence with people like DashieXP or lesser known youtubers and sure more people watch YouTube than ever, YouTube is just going to keep fucking up and becoming the equivalent of a piece of corrugated cardboard.
THE ALGORITHM can only show you shitty shit if you let it show you shitty shit. My feeds are very well curated for me and I still find lots of new videos and channels. For example I have no fucking clue who this guy is that made this video. I ended up here following random clicks.
Another big point that you didn't bring up substantially that I felt compelled to mention is what happens when these big channels decide they have had enough? The markipliers, Pewdiepies, and other singular YouTube like celebrities that people either watch religiously or know about, what will happen when they want to retire? Regardless of whether you enjoy that content or not, they still hold a lot of weight on the site as a whole.
We've already seen YouTubers like Jontron and NerdCubed among many other (mentioning them specifically because I am familiar with their work) who have been forced in a way to hiatuses of various lengths and their resolve for the website may not hold them to it. Who will be there to take their place? The only option I see there is more and more corporate entities coming in as channels to fill the void, and unfortunately I feel that will accelerate the process to an even more saturated, stagnant website. And when finally the stagnation turns to toxicity, I fear the worst for this site and those who are on it.
Regardless, major props to you for not only having the guts to stand up and say something like this, but to undoubtedly put hundreds of hours into ensuring that every frame was visually interesting and writing that was thought provoking but not insulting to the viewer. Thumbs up and you have earned my subscription.
YouTube is the sick man of the internet, and we should all just go onto PocketMovies. After all, nobody uses that site anymore. However, that means less stupid channels. Yay!
Why do Youtubrs ask people to subscribe to them? Because, depressingly, it actually works. So the only reason not to is if you want your channel to get less exposure.
I think it would be best for the viewer and the content creator that YouTube does. It would begin an era of new website to fill the enormous void of places to hold content. Meaning people will have to go out and find the content they wanna see, and the content creator gets to jump ship to whatever site would be suitable. Try imagining Deviant Art with stricter, more family friendly content. Then Shadmen tried uploading his artwork, only to be banned in just a few hours. He instead made his own website where he can post whatever he wants with whoever he wants. So this downward spiral leading to the death of of YouTube could be the best future we could see for content creators and viewers alike.
TL;DR : YouTube ending would lead to smaller sites hosting better content.
Do you think that bigger youtubers should break off and create their own websites for their videos so smaller youtubers could benefit from the revenue vacuum?
Honestly, I don’t get why people think that any video that’s over 10 minutes is “too long”. A video that’s just 10 minutes long is too short, that is if the person who made the video is funny and/or has a good personality. If the person who made the video doesn’t have a good sense of humor and/or personality then I can see where an over 10 minute long video is too long.
I never really got the whole YTP thing. But then... why the fuck should I. It's like giving the remotest shit about star wars stuff... it's kids stuff... so why should I care.
But I DO LIKE Emperor Lemon's videos. Am I a bad person?
Would YOU even know? Of course not, this is youtube, land of the ephemeral gobshite. Stay healthy out there
I've always enjoyed ytp's. I always think I will. I say power to the creative minds who come up with the hilarious and well put together content. No doubt it takes a lot of editing and dedication.
At 29:10 why is jontron pictured? I don’t know the context behind it. I’m guessing it has to do with speaking his mind on something and getting a bunch of crap for it
40:37 YES THEY ARE TAKING MONEY OUT OF THE POCKET WHO NEED THE MONEY , THEY EARNED .. and GIVING THAT MoNEY TO CORPS THAT DONT NEED I TT OR DESIRVE IT < < CUZ OF FAR USE ,, but utube dont know what far use is .
So far from watching this video, ALL OF IT. I have to say. He's right....He is in fact 100% correct and we got nothing to do to stop it...So I say to you here in my honest to god opinion on this.
I wanted to be intelligent for the day a majority of people who watch dumpster fire for entertainment finally understands that they are watching so I can just laugh at how they...."Used" to have bad tastes because I can only hope things go back, back to the golden age.
That's why i don't like ParashockX,he got one million subscribers in the easiest way possible,most of people subscribed to him are kids,i know a lot of youtubers that have a lot effort and don't even reach half of subscribers this guy has
People are cutting cable left and right. Youtube and online media has a decent shot at competing with TV if they didn't censor their highly viewed their more edgy creators (including politics) The fact that the WSJ went after Pewdiepie is a signal that Youtube is a eating away their viewership.
14:20 "without fear of being tossed aside for speaking their minds" and then there's a picture of jontron for one frame: I think this is a bad example because when "speaking your mind" is spouting racist and fascist stuff you should very much be tossed aside imo, or at least fear a little of losing some of your fanbase, and jontron barely had any backlash from his controversial outings and was still very active and successful after that so yeah, missed the point on that one
I always return to this Video, ever since it was uploaded, every year... I just come back to rewatch it and just get hopeful that one day ill make it up there aswell. I have been trying youtube for the past 10years. This Video always just gives me hope. Thank you EmpLemon, even if you dont see this, I respect you.
so basically, youtube recommends those who have already succeeded instead of encouraging you to branch out your interests, they give too much to too many who achieve an arbitrary milestone, and they design the site to be as grating and soulless as possible, effectively guaranteeing that only the absolute best youtubers can make it to the same level as the late night jimmy's and the talentless sellouts. yup, sounds about right.
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Untar la Manteca2020-09-08 16:17:22 (edited 2020-09-08 16:17:49 )
This genuinely inspirated me to search for the greatness, keep up the good content :D
fucking THANK YOU. HOLY SHIT. Like most of what you said has been my view on how shitty YouTube's become! When you talked about the whole shitty "LiKE aNd sUBSCrriiBEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE" I was like "I FUCKING KNOW RIGHT?!?" and was literally thinking EXACTLY what you were saying like "If you like the content, YOU CAN SUBSCRIBE WITHOUT BEING FUCKING TOLD." like HOLY SHIT. Anyway, cool video.
My question is if people kept abusing the tag system, why not limit the number of tags that can be applied to a single video to just a few, and revoke the ability to use tags from any channel that regularly spams misleading tags? It wouldn’t be as harsh as demonetization, but it would be a good incentive not to spam the wrong tags on purpose, and limiting the tags would be much simpler and more effective than changing the entire algorithm.
Fuck it’s Google, why and I even trying to come up with reasonable solutions?
I can replay any of these videos and they always get better each time I watch them. And they become more and more relevant as youtube falls down this seemingly endless spiral.
It's funny, isn't it? Youtube hasn't really improved at all. Only Youtubers have. The quality of their videos, the ways they've discovered to avoid copyright, and ways to actually make money from their content.
EmpLemon going from YTPs to rants to stuff like Stanislav Petrov, Dale Earnheart, and Viacom's lawsuit against Youtube really is a testament to this.
Finished the last second of this video at 3am right on the dot. Hope I made you at least a little happier that one more person agrees enough with you to yawn themselves to tears. Goodnight sweet prince.
This video mashed with a couple other Emplemon videos I've watched pretty well articulate why I never put forth the effort into youtube content myself. Why would I put effort into something that's just gonna get drowned in a fast food fry vat of others content garbage. Loose monetization, get censored, copyright claimed for a song in the background and get sued by Michael Jackson. Remember when you actually had to have a clip from your video as a thumbnail? Yea, when that changed (along with a hand full of other things) many years ago is when I threw youtube out the window as a possible form of free expression. Not to mention, it's worse today than it was back then. Keep it up Emplemon
My rule for myself when I started making videos is I have to have fun making the video. Monetization has always been a background thing, and I'm probably never going to experience burnout because of it.
I WANT the website to do good. I (which is also a smaller channel) WANT other smaller channels to survive. I WANT the website to get its charm back. Most of the entertainment I get is from YouTube. I care a lot about the platform, and it breaks my heart to see it fall so far from grace. The platform FAVORS bigger channels, and it's wrong on so many levels. The website is nothing but a shitty corporate dump that's desperate for money and copies other platforms. The algorithm is irrelevant and bad. To Google: STOP STEALING PEOPLE'S DATA.
Related, this also reminds me how web articles are becoming complete shit too. News articles are chock full of ads you can't even read anything; ads on all sides; ads breaking up the text, you can't even read the article. In addition, the article was compiled by some bot, not even a human, which just copied it from Associated Press and changed a few words. Also, when sites just embed/copy the text of wikipedia and act like it's different information...nobody has any intelligence, creativity, or even the ability to write. I miss the old html websites that a human actually handcrafted; and which had page counters, and fucking rainbow graphics and crazy blue or black background and green text. I can't even use the web anymore unless I know exactly where I'm going going, cause it's all shit
I've been using YouTube for years, I've Unsubscribed from many channels I once loved because I've seen them eventually sell out. I've found many new channels I loved, that I Unsubscribed from because as soon as they become popular enough where they can make good money, they sell out. I barely Subscribe to anyone anymore & usually don't hit the Like button on the majority of videos I watch because of shitty practices like trying to peddle me shit, begging me to Sub/Like insulting my intelligence, or misleading me among other things. You sold me on this video because of your "INTEGRITY", you've listed everything I hate about this platform & many of its creators/fanbase. You're also not scared to share your views regardless of how popular or unpopular they might be, you're a rare one. Because of this I'll Subscribe.
I feel this so much. Back in the pre-google days there was actual community. People made vids, collabed, and then there was the stickam hangouts. Things sure changed.
Idk man, You can still make it on youtube in 2020 if you work hard enough. But everyone's experience is likely different dependent upon what sort of content you make
I am very glad you made a transition to analysis videos. These were just, “put on screaming voice, occasionally contradict yourself, call people retarded for watching content they like, and produce the same content you criticize.
I do agree this is not a sustainable formation. I have been thinking to myself why am I just watching videos because it's just there. Wasting so much time for things I don't care about. Props to you
They blocked my fucking Toonami parody video because I used a few seconds of Adele's "Hello" in it. This is an outrage. They also forced me to delete a slowed and reverb Prince song video I had up for a while because they blocked it. (I hear Prince's estate is very protective of his music, but ADELE?! Seriously?!)
Sad part about this is that there are people out there who make bank on just reuploading trailers and game event demoes and labelling them as "Walkthrough's" which they never fail to get good views on. If that isn't a good indication of where this site is going (or has already since the making of this video) I don't know what is.
This zombie watched 100% of the video haha. I do have to admit, I am not very proud of some things in my newest video, I didn't do enough research for the video to be accurate to the source material. I was worried that if i take too long to upload that i will loose relevance. But i should definitely learn from that if i want to have quality content. Thanks for the video man.
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Joseph Kirsh2020-10-14 23:27:12 (edited 2020-10-14 23:28:01 )
I'm just here to give props for including a cover of Achilles Last Stand because that song is heat
Man, your videos are awesome. I wish there was some way to add your new uploads to my feed or keep track of your channel... Maybe there's a button or something?
What I've seen in the past year more than anything is the absurd amount of ads played almost constantly through videos now. It's become such a pain in the ass to have to deal with them. And of course what's the solution? Pay for premium service, and you won't have to deal with them any longer. Ad blocker may seem like a way around it, but I picked up a virus from that a while back. So pay for youtube if you don't want constant interruptions? It's the old mob protection racket.. if you don't want trouble, pay for our 'service'. And of course people say 'well youtube needs to make money from ad revenue right?' They were already making a fortune. They've just become greedy
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Nicholas NRG2020-10-14 02:15:38 (edited 2021-09-26 12:07:25 )
Probably the single BIGGEST nerf to Youtube's UI is the removal of an actual related videos section, which were key to getting lost in a particular type of videos and being on "the weird part of YouTube". It made browsing YouTube feel like going on an adventure.
Now we have "Recommended for you" videos which are based on the entirety of your search/watch history, liked videos, etc, resulting in completely irrelevant videos. It makes it much harder to bingewatch a certain type of videos by a variety of different uploaders (like YTP's, YTPMV's or fads). There is no longer a "weird part of YouTube". Now it's all just... YouTube.
youtube today has been intense pain 80% of the channels that I used to watch has lowered their quality down in favor of the algorithm, they turned into fake ass personas to entertain way younger audience. the ads via mobile are literally EVERYWHERE to the point that the only comfortable way to use the platform is with the adblock enabled on pc. the ads are so obnoxious now that the moment I see a midroll ad, I just close the video and watch the rest with adblock. I will NEVER buy their premium bullshit because I do not want to support them, I'm not happy with their services and treatment with the creators, so why the fuck should I pay premium for them? whenever I want to look for a specific video or meme, or clip, the results are always people reacting to the video instead of the original video itself. no matter how long I keep looking for it it just does not show up. sometimes they even show irrelevant results that has absolutely nothing to do with what I'm looking for.
Real talk if YouTube shutting down is what it takes for things to change for the better then so be it. Here's hoping somewhere out there there's a place for people to flock to.
my favourite youtuber NerdCubed one of the first ones i ever watched his channel has died due to youtube drama around ads and stuff hes moved to twitch and is doing well but i miss the old days
i feel like every youtuber now adays just makes an attempt to put more editing into their videos than actual content, but fails, the templates for most content creators are the same. its all the same, theres nothing really "professional", yet every youtuber tries to act like they are a professional but they deny that they are amateurs, even if they just started youtube. just be yourself and make your own videos, you dont even need to put the time into editing much unless its something important. but as you mentioned, the people that have to get all of the subscribers all of the time are the unoriginal people that have no talent at all. talented people just get nothing, no support, barely any subs for today's standards, and if they do get support, its not much.
"Subscribe" gets so freaking annoying. I realized that a while ago. I think it's also a feedback loop, because newer youtubers think they need to say that at the end of their video b/c everyone does it. It's like the custom you have to follow
They don't cite sources properly even when it seems they're trying. I've had OC (trends I fucking started) featured on KnowYourMeme as a featured meme down in the bottom gallery while someone who literally reposted my same shit on reddit got the credit for the trend. The timestamps are there with my OC posted before them, clear as day. Just one example. Fuck that site.
They essentially use their own popularity to scrub away independent creators from the public eye and use it to show more corporate stuff, at its core it's a good platform, I derive all of my entertainment from it after all, but it has several massive fucking problems that override the good things.
The most epic takedown of one's own audience outside of Twin Peaks The Return (as interpreted by Twin Perfect in that four 1\2 hour film studies course.)
I made a channel to adapt old comics into videos but I have no budget, just the love and a little voice acting and writing, and the comic pages themselves. I know I can't compete with bigger channels so I try to pick things I love but aren't very popular so my videos serve some purpose. The weirder the better, I know a lot of weird comics to cover as well as older superhero stuff that's just forgotten after 25 years. But I don't care about ever getting popular, only about doing work im proud of.
We should revamp this for 2020 discussing the COPPApocalypse
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El León2020-10-29 20:52:44 (edited 2020-10-29 20:52:57 )
Emplemon: YouTube is censoring independent journalism. Proceeds to show a picture of the founder of the Proud Boys. (I know the Proud Boys became popular after the video came out, but that segment is now in bad taste due to the Proud Boys. However, the video is still very good.)
the site is so big now it is impossible to recapture that sense of popularity and effort again, and that is not their fault of course we were going to reach this era sometimes, I don't know, but admittedly they did fuck up the system a bunch.
I know youtubers have to follow some procedure to create videos that will be seen by people, but is there a way for us viewers to abuse likes, subscriptions, and searches to get more of the content we enjoy? (aside from obvious stuff like subscribing to people we like and liking videos we like)
this video made me delete about 20% of my likes that don't stand up as good to this day to prepare to unhide my liked videos playlist. turns out that youtube is going to delete that feature for some reason, so instead i made a new playlist about videos i like so it's going to still be visible to others. why would youtube remove unhidden liked videos? it's one of the only ways for creators to tell their viewers, "you should also check out this video", the other being featured channels and community posts
it also expresses the channel's interests and hobbies, so for example from my pseudo-like playlist you can see that i like sweet music and animations, and that lilly is clearly best girl from katawa shoujo
Oh you poor sweet thing. The reason why YouTubers tell their viewers to subscribe is because it works. Really well, actually. I'm seeing one YouTuber saying it almost doubles their audience engagement numbers compared to when they don't ask on a given video. It's basic psychology, man. It's not that users don't know that subscribing is an option, it's that users are more likely to do something if you ask them to then if you don't.
YouTube was NEVER corporate! Oh boy how much do I have to tell you this old man YouTube has always been corporate if you check the corporate channels join dates its literally 2007 to 2010.
Difference between pushing coporations and letting the faces of the platform become corporate shills instead of independent creators and allowing them on the platform
@Nukes during 2010 all lot of corpatrate channels were replacing individuals. Just go see Jimmy Kimmel and the late night shows who were big during early 2010s. Plus individuals still run the plaform. Mrbeast Pewds Danny gonzalez Dude perfect James charles Lazerbeam Dream Georgenotfound Theodd1sout
I try and be a gaming channel in the sense of mkiceandfire long streams of games because that's all I can do and love the videos hope you can have fun with your current adventures in YouTube
I remember being able to find related content based on the current video being watched. Now, my Autoplay is just a series of long videos i've watched through already. Speaking of which, why is there a two and a half hour video "Introduction to the Idea of God" in the related to this video!?? cuz its long?
And when i tell youtube "I'm not interested in this video, i've watched it already"" they go "DON'T CARE! YOU WATCH AGAIN NOW!"
I'm just watching this, 3 years later and it's even worse now. Vomit inducing normie content. Which youtubers do you recommend for golden age type content?
and in 2020 i think that youtube allowed people to see the percentage of people subscribed or something, i don't really know because very, very few youtubers seem to use it
I have to admit: this is the video that got me into Prog-Rock. Dancing with the Moonlit Knight and Tarkus are now two of my favourite songs of all time, and I doubt I'd have ever even cared about a 10+ min song was it not by its masterful use in this already great video. Thanks for the great music, EmpLemon!
and not like, fade out of popularity sort of dying, no, DYING from some real life factor and not being able to do things anymore. We're not talking about Leafyishere-type dying, we're talking about Abraham Lincoln's assasination-type dying. Sudden, and at the worst possible time
He died of Leukemia back in 2015, something he had been fighting for years and had seemed to be recovering from. It was incredibly tragic, R.I.P. kitty0706.
kitty0706 died from terminal illness in the height of his youtube popularity. He made G-Mod animations that were wildly popular and heavily stylized back in the day. And his magnum opus, "Team Fabulous Two" was a 20 minute video of his art style in full creative bloom. Now it stands as a testament to an older age of creative content.
Actually coppa is a great opportunity for YouTube content to improve, since children are the ones new to the platform, unequipped to find good channels amongst the mediocre ones, so they end up watching mediocre videos aimed at kids. Coppa will force these channels out of viability, improving content quality overall. Of course it's also possible that the whole thing ends up forcing creators to taylor their content more than ever before. Let's hope that doesn't happen.
@Mergie Then maybe children shouldn't be using Youtube, and if they are, have it so that the kids can't view the comments. Also, just because a video looks pretty, such as Happy Tree Friends, doesn't mean that it is suitable for children. There has to be people that can check these types of videos, or else the themes present may affact them badly.
@Just a rat ripping a bong I am already doing it since about a day ago. YouTube's current algorithm is created, thanks to exploits from the old algorithm (Clickbaity videos), I am exploiting the current algorithm by putting on the same video, looping seemingly forever in many tabs while muted to generate watch time very quickly i.e. 600 hours watch time daily. That's how to go upwards in popularity if you're not popular yet. I would get several hundred people to do the exploit to reach a couple hundred thousand hours of watch time per day.
He works for the DMCA law and has set up one that anyone who uses copyrighted material in their media, either for commercial purposes or not, will get arrested. Search up DMCA law and you’ll see what I mean
If I found a video sharing website, where smaller channels were promoted more, subscribers, comments and ratings actually mattered, you had to find videos and click on them with a mouse to watch them, the design was familiar and didn't change unless it improved the functionality of the website, people made creative, original content just for fun, and the main purpose was to be different and better than TV, I would be more than happy to switch to that website.
Also, you can have a networking system similar to YouTube's. That way, people that like your content can go out and find your other channels as well as the other guys.
What if everybody who makes good content and people who watch and care about good content just up and left this website and let it rot in its own filth
I started watching youtube for the same reason you did, I disliked tv but when I realized they where trying to become a shitty tv I mostly stopped watching youtube
b r o n2017-09-21 19:36:59 (edited 2017-09-23 19:57:11 )
I'm 16 and I've been watching YouTube since it was "broadcast yourself" and people like Fred and annoying orange and chocolate rain and leave britney alone and all those other old stone age memes and youtubers were popular and when pewdiepie wasn't the top you tuber and he made amnesia videos. My mother introduced youtube to me, she's been watching YouTube for damn near its entire life a pan, and me and her still do to this day and its honestly so depressing to see what its evolved into. Jake Paul this and Jake Paul that. ______ Youtuber calls out ______ Youtuber for ________ Drama Drama Drama Drama Drama Complain Complain Complain Complain
And no matter how far down the shitter this website goes it won't matter because we are still going to watch YouTube for those tiny rare moments that we actually find that one, good video to watch and enjoy.
And no matter how much we complain or makes videos about it. There's still gonna be drama, there's still gonna be shit content, but there is also still gonna be good (but rare) content.
And I dont think youtube is going ANYWHERE forever imo because no matter how shitty its turning, I still think it is the best website to entertain yourself with videos.
Oh and also dont hate on johnny test that was my shit back in the day 😤😤😤😤
it really is scary to see how fast things have changed. how so many great YouTubers have faded away and been replaced with "advertiser friendly" / "business driven" content. I often find myself surprised when is see a channel that still has integrity on youtube and that shouldn't be the case at all. youtube is heading for a crash though after the adpocalyse and maybe once it does crash and all the fakes leave because there's nothing left for them here. maybe just maybe we will rebuild the viewer-base and creator-base of this site and see good content rise to the top once more. that's an unlikely hope but the alternative is that youtube continues its journey into TV like garbage and succeeds, killing off the reason they had a viewerbase, to begin with.
Holy shit, now I realized that I've become one of the zombies. Shit, from the Never Ever videos to this? Thanks for slapping my face right up. Now I remember that I used to watch those simple fan made movies. I used to watch those poops. I used to watch quality content. I guess there's only so much I can do now.
This is probably the greatest video I've ever seen on this garbage website. It's sad that we've come to this. Even though you said that nothing's gonna change, I believe there's a chance. We all need to openly criticize YouTube and Google at every opportunity we have. We need to let them know that we won't take this shit, that our creativity is being held back by a single corporation's lust for money. We should all make at least one video like this one on our channels, and then maybe we'll have some sort of fighting chance if we get enough people to argue for our cause. I may be talking out of my ass here, but I do believe that as more people are aware of the shit-tier algorithm of this once-great site, YouTube will be forced to make at least some changes.
y'know, its really sad that talented youtube animators, such as jaltoid, egoraptor, and oney, quit animations, and start letsplays. Its such a waste of talent
Lets all be honest, At this point EmpLemon has one of the most powerful voices of Youtube in my opinion. Everybody should hear his voice and be inspired.
spread this like a damn wildfire especially with Youtubes new updated algorithm that now blacklists any video featuring a gun (so almost every lets play) and now FUCKING SWEARING. Not excessive swearing, now ALL SWEARING. Seriously FUCK Youtube trying to force PC content
MR. Bucket YouTube is trying to appeal to advertisers so they can make more money and have a stable business. But when they do that people are mad since they won't be making any money so they get mad. It's a lose lose situation for Youtube
when i was younger i wanted to make ytps but after i saw how hopless the art form was i just gave up halfway through on my unfinished ytp and stopped watching ytps. but i love ur channel
This is a wonderful video and I can totally agree with you. I've watched the whole video and it gave me nostalgic feelings due to what I use to truly love; YouTube poop. I hope the message spreads all over and maybe there will be a glimpse a hope, an open hole through the tunnel of this dark icky mess, we will achieve what we want YouTube and everyone to be; creative, original and inspired. This same guide on taking advantage on YouTube's algorithm will die out soon like a candle, so I know that YouTube might return to its bright golden years where everyone can broadcast themselves!
Man this video is so Amazing,it May be hands down the Best video I have seen on this website. I never tought a video could be so interesting,explicative,informing and entertaining as this video was. Good job emplemon, really good job.
Rex Wrecks2019-07-03 03:09:00 (edited 2020-09-23 18:08:31 )
I Remember seeing this way back when and thought that this was your last video, just because of how much effort and passion you had in it; although I’m very happy that wasn’t the case.
I'm younger than you, and I've watched an 80 minute video all the way through. Your long videos also keep my attention. That is the sign of a good video, like a good video game; something that can keep you entertained all the way through.
When I was (really) little, all I watched was people putting their game consoles in the microwave...
ZXKW me too when I was younger i remember watching some video called "how to turn your ps2 into a PS3" and it was just some random guy putting his ps2 in a washing machine and putting a cut out number 3 on it then closing it opening it and it was a PS3 instead obviously fake but it was hilarious at the time
Leozin Exactly! If people can sit through an hour of Game ofThrones every week, I'm sure they have the time to watch this, or even listen to it while doing something (I know GoT is a series with an ongoing plot and this is just someone talking about YouTube, but for this at least it's fully scripted and well done/thought out content)
The attention span of a YouTube zombie has rapidly slowed down and de-graded to the point no one will actually watch the entirety of this video. I'm sad that this is what YouTube has become. I'm not going to be one of those stupid people who are like "DUDE THERE'S THIS SITE THAT'S SIMILAR TO THE OLD YOUTUBE COME JOIN [insert alternative video site here] PLEASE WE'RE DESPERATE" because that'll just make yourself look pretentious and stupid. Everyone has turned into mindless filth. They'll watch anything on the site because it's on a site that more people use every day. We can not do a single thing about it and we'll have to deal with it until YouTube crashes into a wall and then we have to find something else to get popular with. And to those people who actually read this entire comment, do NOT try to pander to anyone of your fans or anyone that forces you to do this specific thing, just do your own thing and never let them ruin your life and your content.
Leozin, you know how EmpLemon ragged on about normies just consuming the video mindlessly? Well I kinda apply that same method to his videos whenever I have too much time so that I can be interested without having to force myself to.
Allanbuzzy, you're right. YouTube has become too big for migration. Abandoning YouTube will mean abandoning years worth of amazing content that's been built over the years, chances for true fame and maybe even splitting apart from an entire community. In 2016, there was basically a crash for YouTube for a while and everyone was panicking, but without the community, the whole platform of video sharing would've died. If we could easily just migrate to a new website, then why don't we? It's because YouTube has been a massive pillar too many people are proud of building. We can't just destroy it and make a new one. YouTube holds too much content for that to just happen. We just need to ask everyone else to fix it.
Ugh, list videos... I don't understand the popularity, they are so dismally shallow and predictable that, if it's a list, I'm not interested in even looking at it. That goes for any web page, not just youtube or even videos. If your article is titled as a list of any kind, I have to assume it's worthless clickbait. Even if it's not, I'll never know, because you warned me off by making it a list, which is inherently subjective anyway by definition. What do I care what WatchMojo thinks is the Top Ten Whatever? Even if I did care, I can't endure the gratingly vanilla pseudoseductive narration voice anyway. Whatever is the big enjoyment in viewing WatchMojo lists will forever remain an enigma to me.
Emp, I started watching you from Cars poops, and I've been on YouTube since 2006, and the days of Super Mario Bros. plush vids and Mario 64 youtubers like Fleshjherkta, ehh, whatever his name was, and all I can say is that you are both wrong and right. While the quality of videos in general as well as yours has gone down, it's still possible to find things you like. Search for things you want, click on what looks good, ignore what looks bad. It's simple.
The saddest part is that nothing has changed. In terms of the Smash community, I’ve seen bland channels like Introspektive, Alpharad, Aaronitmar, etc. rise to huge popularity and act all smug because of how popular they are. Even though they make some boring, bland content that anyone can make. It pisses me off seeing how a game that is celebrating so much gaming history is being represented with these fucking guys, seriously if quality was a big factor again on Youtube, these guys would be absolutely DESTROYED and left in the dust by actually talented and passionate creators.
i still remember when alpharad uploaded interesting content, not the best but still genuinely interesting. now he's just another guy in my sub box who i keep for the chance that he uploads something interesting
Luckily you created Never Ever and it has undoubtedly been the best content you have ever put out. It took time to get to this point, but you finally found your niche and I look forward to every new video you put out because no one else delivers narratives or has masterful editing skills like the Emp!
I made it to the end of the video and hearing EmpLemon rant with such passion and fury to inspire and inform even the laziest of viewers. When I heard him tell me to watch those who inspire and empower me. Watch those who will produce content worth watching. Watch those who didn't succumb to the horrible algorithm. This man with those very inspiring words has earned himself a subscriber that will stay for a long, long time. And hopefully, many others. I know this video was made three years ago but DAMN, it still holds up to this day. Youtube is still a huge mess, and it's my personal belief that if people were to actually take the time to watch this video from start to end, from zero seconds to 49 minutes, YouTube would be a MUCH better site than it is now.
I just ran into your channel and feel compelled to say your content is brilliant and I’ve never felt more understood. The music taste. The memes. Dunkey. The Macintosh ad. You truly cut through the shit. Thank you.
If I could like a video more than once, I would do that here. I’ve actually had the same observations here and I haven’t even been on youtube for that long, only 5 years, yet I’ve noticed how corporate and just terrible a lot of things have become. Its not about fun or quality anymore, its about advertising and racking views and subs. I honestly love this video as I’ve thought about this for a while yet haven’t seen a lot of people talking about it so when I watched this I was ecstatic to see someone shared the same views as I did. Nothing was even softened down or lightened, this was genuine and I enjoy that. I really wish Youtube would become YOUtube again and not just whatever it is now.
Bruh, I have ADHD, and I sit through long videos all the time. In fact I enjoy though the most, because it has to be GOOD for me to watch it. So, if it has heart and effort in it. Then it shouldn't have to be 10 minutes or less.
@give me your fukin cookies damn didn't know trying to connect to people similar to you who you don't meet often outside the internet was trying to be cool and hip
You know EmpLemon, the way you talk about old youtube makes me happy that I put most of my creative efforts into fanfiction, because I've noticed a lot of parallels between old youtube and ff.net 1. Rags to Riches (Not money-wise, but popularity-wise, easily possible) 2. Exceptional people could excel (yup.) 3. Curiosity and Discovery (Anybody who stays on ff for long will tell you how hard it is to find a good, original fic, but they use the same methods you mentioned, following and faving a person who wrote a story you liked, checking out THAT person's favorites, wading through crap tons of weird, bad, or unusual stuff, and so on) 4. Animation Excellence (Um... not really equivalent. Most writing sucks on ff. But hey, that just makes the well-written gems stand out that much more.) 5. Personal Personalities (Most ff writers just speak their mind in their Author's Notes if they're talkative, or let the story speak for itself. Again, not really equivalent.) 6. Creativity and Originality (*sighs* Maybe I was a bit over-eager to make this comparison. But then again, I'm sure old youtube had plenty of unoriginal content as well. Still, the most popular things are usually both creative and original.) 7. The ultimate television alternative (or in ff's case, the ultimate published book alternative. No ten bucks per book, no barrier to entry, can be used anywhere with an internet connection, you get what's there, you can do it yourself, and you can easily interact with your favorite content creators.) And since I don't see fanfiction going corporate any time soon (or ever, really), I don't have to worry about any downward spirals in the near future. Thanks for helping me realize I've set my sights on the right heights. Unsubscribed.
I appreciate how passionate and caring you are about the platform, but the video comes of as bitter and hateful to the whole YouTube audience for them not doing what you want them to do. This whole thing has happened simply because Youtube has gotten more popular and attracted more people, it just isn't niche anymore obviously. I sorta see a comparison to be made with politicians and Youtubers: say things and make content that can appease as many people as possible without making enemies. But asking people to change because you just don't like how it's going and your utopia of Youtube has changed just seems self-centered and missing the point that people are putting out these videos because they work, don't hate the players hate the game. And there isn't much Youtube can do except give people what they want.
I dunno how exactly I feel about this in 2020. I really loved his style a few years back but maybe I’ve just taken a step back from this site for a few years and I’ve loved his new take on YouTube videos as of late. But it’s weird seeing him so heated and pissed off in retrospect but YouTube still sucks, just in different ways.
There's an essay by Linds Redding called "A Short Lesson in Perspective," which was written a few months before he died of cancer, aged 52. In it, he details the golden age of working in advertising, and then it became far more work and less creative. Sounds just like YouTube.
Well shit, I legitimately feel bad for the YouTuber pandering section. Thanks for this video EmpLemon, I came for the jokes. But alot of what you said makes me want to rethink alot of what I thought. Thank You
I feel you, I fondly remember the old days of abridged dubs and anime rips. But to me Youtube has simply become too big, too broad, and too unwieldy to manage. All of what is said is a consequence of YouTube being beyond mainstream.
I'm around the median age of 15, and I definitely am not okay with watching those low effort videos and am perfectly fine, maybe even like more than normal, watching long videos on things like this.
The word normie is used so often that even when i hear it used in an acceptable context i recoil and picture a neckbeard rick and morty fan slapping a keyboard with his ten greasy, cheeto dust drenched hot dog fingers.
You know, I’m going to make a list tomorrow of what should be changed about YouTube to both bring it back to glory, and protect everyone from others malicious attempts properly.
The fact that this is 3 years old and still accurate is terrifying for this platform.
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Jason Gibson2020-08-09 21:40:37 (edited 2020-08-09 21:41:43 )
YouTube creators who are actually good don't get enough credit for their research and diligence. People often don't even regard YouTube as a legitimate source for information and opinion.
I beg to differ, in a world with so many bought out corporate drivel in our newspapers and tv shows. It's refreshing to hear from a good ol' average Joe YouTuber with great reporting skills and unique production quality. YouTubers might not be experts, but their perspectives are more grounded. Even so you can still find many qualified experts on here if you know where to look.
I think there is still a bit of the sense of the Wild West on YouTube, not nearly as much as it used to for sure, but the good and hard working content creators here aren't in it for money, they're in it because they want to express themselves.
That has been gutted pretty bad sure, but I like to think that there is still a unique, and more human touch to content on here that keeps us coming back
I first looked at this site in 2011, and even though I’m not on this site the longest like 2005, I can still tell YouTube has gone down a downward spiral.
I use to always watch YouTube now it's hard siphoning through all the forced bs and ads not to mention the things smaller content creators have to go through. It use to feel like a free frontier, even with all the Rick rolls and poorly edited videos now it's reactions of reactions and tiktoks pretending to be youtube.
The acid test for great content is if you would want to watch it again in a couple of years time. I keep thinking about how much of what I see is kind of disposable - designed to be viewed once, at the time, and then forgotten by viewer and creator alike. But this stuff isn't actually "disposed" of, it just sits here like landfill and we wade amongst it. But everyone has a few of those special channels that they're subscribed to (no one had to ask them) - the ones where you have to be patient. You wont get an upload every week, maybe not every month, perhaps only a few videos per year - but they're GOOD!! It's worth the wait and you want more (but you know quality means production time so...) You can live with the filler - so long as you get one of these every now and again. I just wish YouTube was better incentivised toward helping these creators out. Because if they crawl out of the trashpile and go elsewhere - I'm going with them...
Looking back YouTube’s single biggest mistake was making a system that favors creators with more uploads. Like who comes up with that. Have they never been told that quality is better than quantity.
Every time I hear "downward spiral" or see that green and purple spiral in other places I can hear it ringing in my head, over and over again for a couple minutes, "downward spiral" This video ruined me
I miss old YouTube, I'd much rather go back to watching Zelda cdi and hotel Mario ytps than the diarrhea this site gives us nowadays. At least those videos were always creative and reflected their creator's real personalities.
I really felt the alternative to TV part. When I first got into YouTube it was because ninjago was on hiatus between season 1 and 2 and I would watch Lego stop motion animations and it was cash
You could have showed me the claymation stuff and told me it was from Aardman and I would have believed you. Can you say a modern YouTube channel's stuff could pass as a professional product? To quote Elastigirl, "I don't think so... I don't think so."
No it's not about that. The old popular content was better. There are still Videos as good as back then or some are even better but the problem is that the stupid algorithm doesn't anyone let them see it
This is far too relevant to be not taken seriously. As someone who was thinking of trying to make it big in YouTube, I have done some research after seeing this video, and it all matches up. thank you for enlightening me on this subject and helping me not waste part of my life struggling against a dying system
Its ironic how the subscriber shoutout has comeback but in a different way. Youtubers now use the statistic of % of watchers who are subscribe to rise monumentally. Dream is the greatest example of that. Using the couple shootouts he had he used great skill and design to make an empire of over 2 mil in 6 months
Carl Hartwell2020-07-08 20:29:15 (edited 2020-07-08 20:29:46 )
Still relevant, I've been regularly watching youtube since around 2015 and I've regularly watched channels like Internet Historian, Whang!, Fredrik Knudsen and Lemmino for most of that time, but was never recommended this one until a few days ago.
Does anyone else kind of despise the idea of a YouTube channel being a job? Ever since I was young I always saw YouTube videos as a thing to do for fun, but ever since ad revenue was incorporated, videos have increasingly been designed with the intent of making money rather than to be creative.
Do you think BitChute will be the one to take out YouTube given time? They're "Website focused on user voice over ad revenue as a competitor to YouTube" #328 but they seem to be going steady. You can even keep the "poop" nomenclature, just call them PoopChutes.
Youtube is basically sonic cd Past is when youtube had few content. Or that one zoo video Present was old youtube, where there was a lot of good content, Honest youtubers, etc. Though it wasn't all great, it was a simpler time Bad future Is youtube today, or new youtube, where the good times that old youtube gave dried up after many things that have shook youtube hard.
The good future youtube doesn't exist. Since youtube has no good future from the looks of it.
The first video of yours I saw was "The Quest for the Blue Check Mark", and that was posted yesterday (7/2/2020). After a few videos, I see "there will Never Ever be another Melee player like Hungrybox", which talked about Smash Melee and the FCG. Then I see this which mentions that Reaction Videos at their heart are soulless cash grabs and attempts to stand on the shoulders of others' YT Videos. I then immediately see Armada (From the Hubgrybox Video) Reacting to your video on my recommendeds. Unfortunately, I cannot heed your advice at the moment, and am going to watch said video.
idk where i commented about how bad youtube ads have gotten but its been several months since then and i just feel like i get tv-style ads its so bad. then i actually watched tv for a moment and i remembered how long those ads were and i'm not sure wether those are worse or more frequent shorter ones on youtube are.
EDIT: Youtube ads are at the point where they now have just ads for shows on TV pretty often, at least in Aus, and I'd be really curious to know if its the same in America
Secondly, I have come to the conclusion of TV ads being worse, the long stretches interrupting other stretches of actual content are much more distracting and difficult to tune out. At least YouTube ads I honestly get numb to.
I know you probably won't see this, Emp, but please can you upload the Downward Spiral vortex meme template in high quality so I can use it for a video?
Dude its not that serious. If people think thats what it is, laugh, embrace, prove wrong. YTPs are iconic for spaghetti dinner as gen 1 is for pokemon. You cant fault anyone for that but try to introduce them to how the medium has changed.
i would say commentary and gameplay videos take infinately more effort the a 5 minute list video rating nothing. Atleast with commentary and gameplay you can actually be interesting instead of making "top ten most poisonous foods" or "top ten strongest anime characters" for the 100,000th time
ok imma be honest, i agree with everything he says here, but tierzoo is a super new channel that got famous INSTANTLY, but it’s just because the right people found and appreciated him. he just got lucky...
*EmpLemon complaining about people complaining how long his videos are*: REEEEEEEE *me who watched both EmpLemon's, and Armada's review of the HBox documentary*: These are some good cheezits
The mainstream content on YT is boring, simplistic, braindead and short, thats why i dont fucking watch that kind of "content", cant even call it that way, is more like filler for adds. I like long/medium length original and creative shit, bonus points for moderate toxicity. Unique channels are always going to be a thing, bcz there are ppl like me and pretty much everyone in this comment feed that enjoy that kind of actual content
21:10 I shared my channel with a few friends and they clodnt find the power to press the videos tab in my channel page so they think I've only made like 2 videos, but I have literal hundreds of streams and cats that no one, not even the people I know are definitely going onto my channel page, can find them, those two extra clicks really changed how well you can find a channels videos.
oh my fucking god.. this video is 11 minutes or more! I'm not gonna check because I am a brainlet who watched tv before thinking that a 3d intro was necessary, and i don't have enough brain cells to click the subscription tab and see content i want to enjoy! i am going to watch this channel i dont like more, too because the blessed a l g o r i t h m has placed this within my click zone, upon autoplay.
in all seriousness, though, EmpLemon this is one of my favorite videos you have made, and I love watching your lengthy content. Keep on going, my guy.
Slight aside, I see you comment on Vsause a lot, and while Micheal did create some great content, most of it was a little bit clickbaity and he didn't seem like an expert on anything he talked about. To make matters worse, he switched all his content to Youtube Red so people can't watch it without paying. Not trying to hate, just saying :P
Well, while I don't like btm saying his videos are bad because he's "just doing something" well that's kinda what history is, granted, history YouTubers usually do animation but what are you going to do with memes, other than showing what it is and giving a summarized of its history, "just doing something" doesn't mean laziness, consistently doing shitty research is either laziness or a bad reaserch system
Having said that I'm going to stop watching the video of an old beef between a channel I don't care about and a memer of a subgenre of memes I don't care about
Yeah, I used to make Youtube Poop but I stopped because people take them for granted, so instead of giving up, i turned to my hobby and that's what i do now.
All I can say is, do something you love doing, don't expect much, and good luck with your channels :)
God talking about the golden days of YouTube animation really got me nostalgic. There’s still a lot of quality, artistic content being made but you gotta go out of your way for it
Opening and YTP Resolutions: 0:00 - 6:47 The Subject at Hand: 7:32 - 9:11 9:11 Greatness > Ungodly 16:51 9:14 Rags to Riches > Rags to Rags 17:11 10:13 Exceptional People Could Excel > Exceptional People Are Ignored 18:32 11:02 Curiosity and Discovery > Constraints and Delivery 20:30 12:07 Animation Excellence > Animation Extinction 23:02 13:06 Personal Personalities > Corporate Corporations 25:57 14:22 Creativity and Originality > Cloning and Oversaturation 31:05 15:17 The Ultimate TV Alternative > The Ultimate TV Copycat, and Everything Else 37:28 16:30 The Shift From Great To Godawful 46:51 The New Awakening of YTPs
funny enough, I found this video in my home section. I don't know if it was because I've been watching strange videos lately but I decided to watch it, the WHOLE 49 MINUTES, simply because the majority of people already know that youtube is seriously in a bad state at the moment. honestly this is one of the best videos I've watched in months, very thorough and pretty funny at times too, it kept me watching the whole time.
anyway... I like watching what most people call "weird" videos so all my (irl) friends think I'm strange or crazy for liking content like that, which is fine but the content creators behind those "weird" videos have such creative minds. people in the comments come up with theories and meanings that actually make sense so it's incredible when you think about it. the general audience just doesn't get it because it's wacky, not in the norm, and doesn't fit their normal standards of a video, or what was called "the algorithm." for example, last year I discovered a strange looking animation on my explore feed on IG and was curious as to what it was called, I found the name of the video and looked it up on YT, and it turns out it was a pretty popular video at one time during 2013, but I never knew about it, hmm I wonder why... alright, so I watched the video and LAUGHED bc that's just my sense of humor, anything strange looking to me is immediately funny. I watched the vid several other times, laughing occasionally. keep in mind that the animation is around 1 minute long. as a viewer, I thought the animation was strange and funny so I checked out the creator's channel. it turns out that 1 minute clip was also from a series the creator had made around the same time, so I decided to watch the whole series that same day... and I was amazed, what I watched was quality youtube content, just casual creative content. I checked out the other series the creator had made and I instantly got HOOKED. other people were saying great stuff about this guy's content so I didn't feel alone. now when I watch this 1 minute animation, I can't even laugh at it (unless I show it to my friends because they don't even know what I'm watching and I find it hilarious that they're watching something they wouldn't normally watch) because I took the creator's content seriously. I've long since subscribed to him and admire his work, and I get very excited whenever he uploads a new creation every few months. I'm glad.
anyway, the whole point of my huge paragraph is that you don't have to be that one kid who insults a creator's work because it's "weird" and not in the norm, always commenting "CRINGE" or "what the hell did I just watch" and that you can be someone who will eventually admire a creator's work because you took the time to understand their style of production and creativity. hey, even a fan from the guy's channel said his work reminded him of what youtube used to be like, and how it should be. even now, it's hard for me to find videos I'd want to watch because the content is same as any other person. I usually watch a few seconds of a video, find out how it's gonna turn out to be like by reading the comments, and just stop watching the video. for now, my favorite thing to do is spend maybe an hour reading youtube comment threads, the results can be outstanding. oh, and if you can guess the channel I was talking about, you're pretty cool too.
You know what I like? Good YouTubers like you and a few other YouTubers. YouTube can change, but it will take some time. Nothing we can do. Oh by the way, thank you for opening my fucking mind. Thank you... just thank you.
I agree with pretty much everything you said, but the whole "everybody selling dollar shave club and whatnot" is more of a symptom of the newer Youtube algorythim and how the site works now unfortunately. Otherwise most people wont make hardly anything off their content.
James Akrane2018-07-11 07:05:25 (edited 2018-07-11 07:16:22 )
Am I the only one who is genuinely happy to see long videos on my feed (either sub or recommandations) if I like the creator's content? Heck, it's even a plus for choosing rant/essay videos to watch (a clear soft spot for me).
Too long????? * this* is exactly what I love about you're videos: they're long and informative/funny. I love listening tk someone talking about something that I love or that makes me interessting in things in new things wich is why I love your type of video!
I miss the days of youtube when angry video game nerd silent rob armake21 where the kings of youtube they where my favourite i also like Ramboraph4life razorfist black lord of fenrir solidus skully makemebad35 alphaomegasin spoony before he went of the fucken rails leafy filthy frank
This is literally so true, and I see what you mean, I made a couple reactions to goanimate videos and now I feel locked in to making reactions since anything I try to branch out into gets many fewer views, and whenever I try to ask for requests of things to react to... it’s virtually always goanimate, so it basically makes innovation of any type exceedingly difficult.
And yes, I too few the pressure to conform, because I’m always worried that if I go too far with something that I’ll offend people... this really is a fucked up situation, and while there isn’t much I can do about it, I will post this to my feed
Dont even get me started on Spanish content... Im Spanish and I REALLY preffer the quality that english has or could have, over clickbait after clickbait after really bad video after "life hacks". Its just that full of s%#t that I changed to english content.
Sofia R YouTube at its best is an extension of my documentary diet- it can be hard to find a great documentary experience, but when you do it’s really rewarding and enjoyable
I love long videos. I put them on while I'm drawing or playing a game or if I just want to relax and not have to go find another video to watch every 10 minutes. I could watch long videos all day lol
Sofia R I much prefer long videos like this because often times it’s 20-40 minutes of genuine content that took a lot of research and time to produce. 2 minutes of these kinds of videos are more entertaining and full of content than a 15 minute reaction video.
I miss old youtube more and more every day. I remember unique creators telling me to leave 5 stars and hit the big yellow button... now it's lifeless. Love your content tho, but then again you feel like a real human and not a pandering company or robot
@Jordann Edwards They are doing something, specifically on Newgrounds. Not long ago Tumblr kicked out 80 percent of it's users. Newgrounds took them in. If you make animations, upload them there first.
Also maybe you could try getting people on You-tube who make animations to put them on Newgrounds. We have to slowly sap You-tubes strength. They're too large to kill outright, but if we're persistent, over time, we could weaken You-tube to the point where they can be beaten.
I hate how by the time I even learn about a meme it's been dead for about a week. Thank you everyone who ruin memes by spamming them causing them to only last for about a week at most.
I am honestly fed up with "wait, that's illegal". I don't even have a joke, it was just never a good meme, and the normies overused it fast, and yet it still sticks around.
@i don't check my notifications You know what's worse? Those stupid "no one on Earth: me:blablabla" comments. I swear to God I see those on every video I watch
@M N Alright maybe i might be a fucking ancient boomer dinosaur who pretends 4chan is still in the 2014 golden age, as accepting the reality means that all the sacrifices ive made to my personnel life and mental health would account for nothing
@Brian Mcnicholl and I hate how when I try to post a meme that I either know or don't know is dead a bunch of stuck up normie brats scream at me "DEAD MEME STFU LMAO"
You're one of the most entertaining people to watch and listen to in the background, Emperor. I'm really grateful for the work and effort you put into your videos.
The price of CS:GO skins isn't necessarily Valve's fault, that's just the market itself, but it's not really a monopoly, monopolies own things that a high amount of people own, need, and/or want you don't really need a CS:GO skin for hundreds of bucks to function in life
noxic. That's a good question, a guy named saberspark has a really good video answering that, he's also really under appreciated so I highly recommend the channel. Look up what's ruining YouTube, that's the name of the video, hope this helped:)
This video actually inspired me to go back to my old reliables, TomSka, Corridor Digital, and Brandon Rogers. Also many old channels. 2010 has become my source of content now.
Watched it all the way through. Good video overall but there's no way back for youtube. Advertisers want the site to be as it is and it will never change. The comments section on youtube is much like /b/ back in 08. Overly populated and filled with complete trash. I can't wait to see what you make next.
Noah Vanmullekom lol "alt-left." Please get real bro, there's no such thing. Name me an "alt-left" youtuber, public speaker or website. I'll name you 3 alt-right ones: 1. The Daily Stormer 2. Lauren Southern 3. Richard Spencer
There is "far-left" (ANTIFA, The Clintons, SJW's, etc.) but Trump just made up the term alt-left to defend the race riots in Charlotesville. I respect you since you're an Emplemon fan, so I know you have to have some level critical thinking. Had you ever heard that term purported by ANYONE until Trump said it?
just find a specialized board in something you're actually into. I got some guns a while back so I went to /k/ and discovered what board culture actually was, after spending most of my highschool years browsing /b/ only. /b/ is cancer
>The Clintons are far left Funny how far left people hate capitalism and are communists but are simultaneously corporate sellouts who benefit from the exploits of a capitalist system who thought Bernie Sanders was too radical for them. inb4 "it's not real capitalism"
JohnCenaAteOutMyMom Damn son, you exposed me haha. But nah I guess I could've worded that better. Clinton was trying to appeal to the Far Left, but as we know from the emails she'll basically say anything to get a vote. I guess she would technically be a centrist, if anything.
"trying to appeal to the Far Left" This is still a dishonest way of putting it. Liberal =/= leftist Most liberals, even though they often claim to be socialists, still support mostly right wing economic systems. There's more to being a socialist than supporting Bernie Sanders. Kinda hard to appeal to the "far left" when you make it apparent that you think Bernie Sanders is some spooky radical communist.
just out of curiosity what does alt right mean? I have no idea why leftists use it all the time
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I think you missed the key word in that sentence. trying. Also, I'm kind of confused by your definition. If I'm not mistaken, you're saying that liberalism is separate from being on the left, which is true. But then you kind of go on to bash liberalism which is where I get confused. Perhaps I'm misinterpreting it.
I'm under the impression, correct me if I'm wrong, but in the US most left-wing politicians as well as common people consider themselves liberals. Not all, but a lot. Some of the core concepts of Liberalism by its definition are tolerance, liberty, and individualism. Why I say "far-left", is because a lot of those people don't actually believe in a liberal ideology. SJW's (who were definitely a target audience for the Clinton campaign) don't actually follow the ideological beliefs of liberalism, just like Hillary doesn't. I would consider ANTIFA, SJW's, and so on to be "Far-Left" because they don't actually believe in Liberalism, they fall more into the radical progressive category. The moment you say "kill all the fascists", I wouldn't consider you a very tolerant or, in other words, liberal person on the matter. When you say that everyone should use pronouns in a certain way to prevent people from getting butthurt, I don't think you care much for individualism or freedom of speech. I consider myself a liberal, but I hate Hillary Clinton. To me, Hillary Clintons public (keyword there, public ) campaign was about appealing to an audience that's so in over there heads about progressive ideals, that they won't notice how terrible her policies are. That's why I'm using the term "far-left" to describe those people. Hopefully I haven't fallen into a "No True Scotsman" fallacy, but I think I've done a good job of explaining it.
@Man Of Crazy sometimes i look at it how many videos are there cause of money cause they have like 10k views and are in trend . wierd while pewdiepie makes one 1 hour 1 million views
YouTube isn't all to corporate anymore. With smaller creators making the rounds and big corporate YouTube channels being publicly shamed. YouTube is on his way to being just as good as it was back in 2012!
Never before did I think I’d hear Emerson Lake and Palmer as the background music for a YouTube video, let alone anything off of Tarkus. Phenomenal album, great video, brilliant insight, keep up the good work
I saw this all the way through. And I agree. That's why I have always been picky with my videos. I have subscribed to some big channels, some small ones. In the end, it's about creating an entertaining video. That's that. Or, it should be that. I remember being cooped up in a house we were staying in cuz me and my sister were sunburned for two weeks, doing practically nothing but watching this amazing thing called 'YouTube'. When I found videos like Salad Fingers, gmod and the original NC videos (I'm an old woman, geez) I used to watch vids with my best guy friend, Cosmo. YouTube has lost the whole point of its existence; To be interesting and different. Which is sad, but I can't do much about it. : / Que Sera, Sera. (Whatever will be, will be)
I have a dream. That one day every person on this site will control their OWN content. A platform of the truly free, dammit. A streaming service of creativity, not effortless trash, ruled by fun, not popularity! Where the content changes to suit the creators, not the other way around. Where laughs and jubilance are back where they belong: IN THE HEARTS OF THE PEOPLE! Where every man is free to think - to create - for himself! Fuck all these limp-dick rich kids and copyright claimants. Fuck this 24-hour Internet spew of trivia and celebrity bullshit! Fuck mob mentality! Fuck the media! FUCK ALL OF IT!
YouTube is diseased. Rotten to the core. There's no saving it - we need to pull it out by the roots. Wipe the slate clean. BURN IT DOWN! And from the ashes, a new YouTube will be born. Evolved, but untamed! The lazy will be purged and passionate creators will thrive - free to make videos as they see fit... they'll make YouTube GREAT AGAIN!
In our new YouTube, people will post and enjoy what they love! Not for money. not for fame. Not for what they're told is right. Every man will be free to construct their own community!
thb i really like the long videos, (mainly because it practicaly ensures quality, but still) I've only recently seen your channel, but it's super well put together, funny, and informative. Plus, it gives me less need to click, so that's a plus. But for real, you make great content and wanted to tell you that.
watching this video three years from its release date I must say youtube is much shittier . But while this pandemic has gone on, if you find GOOD content to watch. The bad is really really bad, and the good is the best content I've seen in years. Things since this video have only got progressively worse. idc to project my political views because no one cares, nor should anyone care if someone has a different political stance, but Conservative content is so covered up its crazy. I am subscribed to people like Steven Crowder and I rarely ever get my notifications from his channel, yet am shoved trump hate and ridicule in my face every day
Hi! Newcomer here, damn I love your videos ! Plenty of work, passion, and common sense ! Yep, I've gone this far as to watch the entierty of a 50 minutes rant from mid 2017. Guess Covid-19 isn't enough a cataclysm hahaha.
I can't agree more with what you have to say ! We are fortunate enough in my country to have plenty of wonderful creators that make us laugh and learn things, sometimes even without fancy cameras and microphones. Pretty much In the same style as Vsauce, The Elemental Maker, Nile Red, Smarter Everyday etc. But I also watch an enormous ammount of english speaking content.
Ultimately, as with IRL, we, the audience, are the ones who have to act in order to make things better. It's funny when I say to my friends that I use the "subscriptions" tab in order to see if I missed a video from someone I like. Most of the time, people are unaware it exists. Same goes for the "community" tab. I never clicked a bell, but am up to date with my subscriptions. It's not magic, just a way of using Youtube that requires a tiny amount of extra clicks, while allowing me to discover new stuff every now and then.
We are so deep into the notification dogma, that even people like me, who are struggling to keep proactive attitude when it comes to finding new stuff, look at our phones when we hear rumbling, as if we received a notification. Guess what, my phone notified me on some social media while writing this, and I felt the urge to check. It was just a remainder that some of the people I'm following posted stuff. Pavlov's dog! (you can check out "classical conditioning" if you don't know it and are interested)
Some guy at national TV in my country said quite a few years ago : "We're not entertaining people, we're selling available brain time to advertisers". This kinda shocked everyone for a while, but quickly enough, life went back to normal. Nowadays, TV people keep getting a better and better idea of how the internet works, and are conquering our "soils". This quote is true here, on Youtube, for quite a few years also !
Keep up the good work man ! I'll be digging deeper into your channel. Maybe see you in an even older video ? Hahaha
Brilliant video. Whilst I can empathise with your frustration over the decisions YT have made over the years, I do feel it is worth at least attempting to consider things from their perspective in a business sense. I've seen a number of videos from YT creators who are understandably upset with the way things are going, however I see little discussion regarding the business of YT and the cost of running such an enormous infrastructure. @ 36:55 you show a screenshot highlighting Google's valuation of approx $498B at that time. I appreciate that is a rather large and abstract figure, however it does not reflect the value of YT as an asset within the structure of Google. From what I have seen, Google have infamously been very cagey in regards broadcasting how much money YT actually makes. In February 2020 they announced that in the fiscal year of 2019, YT made a revenue of $15B...however, it would not provide figures on how much profit (if any) YT made within 2019. In short, we basically have no idea if YT is even a profitable venture. If indeed it is haemorrhaging cash then it would at least provide some explanation of why YT has made increasingly desperate decisions in tinkering the website to ensure maximum watch time in order to maximise advertisement consumption.
Hey, just wanted to say that I actually deactivated the recommendations on youtube for this reason, I wasn't happy as a "consumer", everything was fed to me, it was addictive and in the end, a near-total waste of time even tho I was watching sciency videos and not some brain dead shit, but either way, finding what I call golden nuggets was actually extremely difficult to achieve. So that's why... Also, this video is more than relevant today, it's really getting worse and worse to be honest, even veritasium went into a gigantic downward spiral lately by making his videos clickbaity... I don't even click on them anymore even tho the subject could be interesting, what a bummer... Also, GradeAUnderA is a great example of a youtuber's community that didn't want him to grow technically because of the fear of him becoming "commercial"... like, dang 0_0...
Not gonna lie,I think I probably wouldn't be okay with the videos back in the older days,but I could understand why others enjoyed it and the ways it's more beneficial for creators than whatever the hell we have now. Also,I think you should've also talked about the YouTube burn out,notably with animators...also I think you might want to relax with this. I understand your points,but you might want to understand that they're decent people just trying to making it.Like you said,they gotta suck the cocks of YouTube in order to be worth a damn,so you gotta numb your personality in order to get those subs and attention. It really be like that all the time. No wonder Leafy hated this place and thank god I didn't make a YouTube channel or else I would be stressed out as everyone else creating content for this place.
Yea he makes good points, but how could this have been avoided and what could realistically be done to solve it. It’s essentially just an “I miss the good old days” complaint that everyone has about pretty much wverything
At first i thought he was kidding with the "mental downward spiral" and "losing it completely" but after i saw this, i realize that he has lost it completely
Gee it feels great to know that there is people that also has a IQ level of 144 just like me.
I APPRECIATE HOW THE VIDEO IS EDITED WHAT THEY SAY AND HOW THEY SAY IT. SERIOUSLY HAVING A BIG BRAIN IS JUST HAVING A OPEN MIND ABOUT OPINIONS AT THIS POINT.
This feels like the Smells like Teen Spirit of YouTube, sadly not in it's influence for change, but in the sense that it's just a non-stop battle cry of anger and frustration at the current and future scene of YouTube. Some of it might seem a bit over-generalized, but a lot of it is far too accurate to be comfortable with.
If I'm being honest its wonderful that video sharing sites exist, because for some people it's the only window to the outside world. But the fact that Youtube is basically giving the middle finger to their creators, makes me really doubtful about this sites future
This was a phenomenal video, I will say with the tv is better argument could be the fact that the grass always looks greener on the other side, YouTube’s have way more creative freedom but I understand your point.
Jeez, I thought this video was uploaded recently. Then I looked down and saw that it was uploaded three years ago. The year is 2020 and YouTube has only gotten worse.
Anyway, I wanted to say that you make a lot of sweeping, definitive statements in this video, which is kind of just asking for an angry comment section. But, I really appreciate how genuinely you express your opinions here. This video hits too close to home. I have had pretty much the same experience with YouTube as you--as a viewer, anyway. Lied about my age to make an account back in 2005, had fully switched over to YouTube and dropped television by 2009, and have watched the site get worse and worse each year. It's a real shame.
I miss how fucking AWESOME YouTube used to be. Something you didn't really touch on was that YouTube used to be a much more social experience. You had a friend list, you could post "bulletins" that your friends could see and respond to, there were stream / chat rooms where you and your friends could watch a playlist of videos together--like, each person could add videos to the queue and you could watch them together. It sucked watching all of these features get phased out and replaced by this new YouTube.
I believe since 2017 YouTube has gotten a lot better. Animators have finally found their footing with story time videos and animators like The Odd1sout and Jaiden animations have risen to fame and it seems their genuinely funny people who care about what they do. Not to mention you mentioned Pyrocynical in the video complaining about how you keep getting recommended his content. Well most YouTubers like him including himself have become pretty tolerable and produce actually funny, well written original commentary content now. Also the let's plays kinda died to be replaced by a more funny, original,well edited kind of gaming video like ones made by Jacksepticye, Pewdiepie, CallMeCarson and more. I've also noticed a lot more kids watching animated content from youtubers like the Odd1sout and Jaiden animations and youtubers like Jake and Logan Paul as well as Ricegum have had their channels virtually die. It's also been around a year now since Fortnite was really popular and I haven't really seen too many cringy trends in a while and some celebrities such as Jack Black or Will Smith have actually come to truly understand and respect Internet culture in a way that in 2017 probably wouldn't have been seen possible for a celebrity. Also most of the other (cringier) celebrities have moved over to stupid ass TikTok. I don't think it's perfect but It's getting better. One step at a time.
I don't know how to illustrate this all in a YouTube comment, but you bring up a lot of good points here. You said you read all your comments, but I doubt that that applies here on a 3 year old video with over 15,000 comments as i'm writing this. Regardless, I hope you see this. Looking at the top of this comment section, I haven't seen anything as thought provoking or as passionate as your video. If I saw some comments at the top that were giving meaningful commentary to the situation/video or were giving thanks to you for spending hours of your life passionately making this, I probably wouldn't be writing this one.
I'll start this off by saying iv'e never been as emotionally or philosophically impacted by a YouTube video as I have here. I felt a need to write a comment expressing my thanks and showing my thoughts on the matter, despite the age of the video. For the past 9 years, since back in 2011, YouTube and the internet as a whole have been my main source of entertainment. I haven't been around for as long as you have, but I like to think I have good judgement on the state of YouTube and internet culture. Even if I haven't been around as long as some, I think Iv'e been around longer than most people consuming content on YouTube right now, even more so now in 2020 than when you uploaded this video.
This video makes me feel something. It makes me think something. This video is thought provoking and insightful, as all of your content is. I try to support individual creators as much as possible, but I need to do better than I have been. You inspire me and remind me of the time long past where individual creators reined supreme. You make me want to do better and you make me happy that people like you still exist and are on this shit storm of a platform. YouTube is the worst and best website on the web. I can't think of a single site that has as much varied and questionable decision making as its content creators while simultaneously having some of the best people and content on the planet. People like you remind why I stay here and why I hold hope in humanity in general. Sometimes it can feel so fucking shitty to live on this planet with all these shitty people making shitty decisions, but it can also feel amazing to live amongst great people like you. Videos like this and people like you are the reason to keep going amidst this shitty year and amongst these shitty people.
In conclusion, thank you, EmpLemon. Thank you for continuing to put in the passionate effort needed to make every day worth it. It means so much to me that great people like you would take time out of your day to share your feelings and opinions in great and entertaining ways. I don't know if you need to hear this or not, or if this really matters much to you, but you mean a lot to me. You are my favorite youtuber, and a reason to keep going. Thank you for everything.
This is such a complaint I have. I want to find small artists and creators on YouTube by its difficult to do so. I've actually googled small content creators for YouTube and went through several pages, websites, Reddit communities, etc. And found basically nothing.
Hey Emp! I am watching this about 3 years later. Is there any plan for updating the information here? I have heard about a lot of recent Youtube controversies over the last few years but no one has put everything together in one place like you did here 3 years ago. Or at least no one to my knowledge has. If so I would love to be pointed in there direction.
My favourite part about the algorithm is that the up next is GUARANTEED to be something I've already watched. In the case as of recently, I was watching one of your other vids, clicked on another, and my up next was the video that I had LITERALLY JUST FINISHED WATCHING. The algorithm is the hottest pile of shit. Change my mind.
had videos been rated in the algorithm using watch time percent rather than raw watch time or view count, wouldn't animations have had a chance of surviving?
also, had youtube never publicized ads, had youtube been possibly a lot better?
It certainly has "improved" now that the site is even feeding me countless mainstream news sources so that I can hear their side of the story on any given pandemic talking point instead of hearing from everyday people like Sargon of Akkad, Rageaholic, Count Dankula, Black Pigeon Speaks, or even Computing Forever because why would I want to hear from someone well-read who doesn't take government money when I can instead hear from an organization like CNN who let Elizabeth Warren talk over everybody, including the moderators, multiple times during a debate without even once cutting her mic off, while jumping straight to commercials the moment someone like Tulsi Gabbard tries to call her out on it.
I fucking loved clayworld thank you for reminding me of that. I’m not gonna pretend I’m a great editor, but the reason I made videos as a kid was seeing YouTube and thinking it was the funniest shit ever
I’ve been around on YouTube since 2010. This account since 2016, but I was 9 years old finding new crazy things to do on Roller Coaster Tycoon in 2010. One of those videos was my first ever, and I remember when subscribers and views were on the top right corner on a black bar. Those were the good ol’ days. Then the last 4 years have been very odd. Watching my memes rise and fall, as well as my Nintendo videos on my older channel, it was hard to grasp how youtube started to work. I hate the algorithm. You can have a great community and audience, that says “you deserve way more subscribers” but it’s not till the algorithm sees a pattern in your retention and click ratio that you will get views. Often clickbaitey ones. I try not to do that. All of my thumbnails literally are part of the video, but I choose what would be a good pick for my videos. I wish I could go back to 2016 and before when it came to Youtube itself. Never give up though. Keep doing what you love ❤️
I wonder how this video would have changed if it was made after COPPA was put into place. Probably not much, everything he said here is still very true over 2 and a half years after this was made (typing this at the end of May 2020).
I have no problem with people asking me to subscribe, cause it's legit been proven that youtubers get more subscribers on days they actually tell people to sub. Faze Jev is a good example of this.
I don't comment much, man, but you said you read like every single comment and I hope you read this: you're the most fucking punk rock youtuber on my sublist and I have watched a fuckton of your videos and many have inspired me, most have informed me, and all have entertained me. Idk what to say about critique ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ but I wanted to leave a word of encouragement and gratitude 💗🙏🏼✊
Don't forget to mention people that actually look deep into games, or movies and take apart it like an art form. People like Ahoy, Ralphthemoviemaker, IHE, Raycevick. They get fucking punished for trying to create content that can challenge the way viewers look at entertainment, or try to look at the entertainment we all get in a different light.
Nah, here on YouTube, we fucking punish creators who try the slightest to create unique content and promote the same fucking shit like Minecraft & Fortnite, because those are all popular.
And don't you even dare try talking about an underrated game or movie you enjoy or something your passionate about, because you get fucking punished or your viewers won't even give a slight shit on what you like, they'll see it and go "Nah, I ain't watching that! I wanna see the funny maymay"
ok dude dont blame EVERYTHING on us, we dont all like this type of shit. Is it also not weird that some people dont want to spend 1/48 of their day on you. great vid
This is why i have a set of rules for when i make my gaming videos.
1. No Trending Games. I'll play what i actually think is fun and interesting, not a piece of shit like Fortnite, PUBG, CS:GO, and COD. 2. No Misleading thumbnails. Stuff like giant arrows pointed at random shit, things that don't even appear in the video, and random bits of shit like "OMFG, SO SCARRY!!!!1". I just take the weirdest shit from the video, make a background of something from the game, paste them into parts of the screen, Place the game title, and that's it. 3. If the games story mode/campaign has been completed, add some mods. Build onto it. Make the game more expansive, add different storylines, new quests and locations. A good example of this is my current series on Black Mesa, where i'm attempting the Hidden Hat achievement, but with mods that fuck with the game's dialogue, textures, etc. Or my series of Fallout: New Vegas, where i didn't even start out with the original storyline for the game, but with Fallout Who, a mod that adds elements from the world of Doctor Who into the game. 4. Actually comment on what's happening in the fucking game. Don't talk about some random shit, like you pointed out in this video. 5. No Intro, only an end card. make it humorous, don't oversaturate it with bright colors and annoying dubstep music in the background. 6. If somebody claims my video, i'll verify if it's actually copyrighted material and if it's fair use. If it goes against fair use, i'll let the video remain demonetized. Or, if the company/party who claimed it has either ignored the Fair Use Guidelines, or it's just some retard who doesn't even own the rights to whatever it was that got my video claimed, I'll dispute it. 7. I'll try to make my videos at least 15 minutes long, not because i want it to be monetized, but because i think longer is better, there's more stuff to work with, making it more fun for me to edit. Some of my videos could range from being 8 minutes, to being almost an hour & 1/2 long.
watched the whole vid. great thoughts and made me think too. first found your vid/documentary on hungrybox and smash bros. loved that too. earned a subscriber out of me (unsubscriber?).
Actually i am here since 2016. But i still can find good stuff, leveluplifting as an example. Also in my language (german) if you search you find great content. The problem is that the algorythm is puting normie content above creativity. So if you dont know it exsist you cant find it.
OK yes charmx in 2017 wasn’t that Exciting but nowadays he’s doing much better being more talented and funny and add comments onto the original work instead of a laugh at funny scene stereotype that most reaction channels do.19:49
This video sums up why I'm subbed. Fucking fantastic dude. Long form but quality filled vids are the best.
If there's anyone who needs music for their vids get ahold of me. I don't know what my music will go with but I'm down to help someone out that's doing cool shit.
@Doom58 I guess I can see where you're coming from. Everything is becoming overwelmingly meta. But it's not too bad for me because I watch alot of music production stuff and tutorial videos.
I remember having to skip 30 seconds of every video to not hear them say "LiKE, suBSCrIbE aND hIt tHe BeLl NoTIFicAtIoN!" It was so fucking annoying, and I'm so god damn glad everyone stopped doing that shit.
Just a note: The Youtube algorithm took me from Cheese reacting to the new 16-Star Super Mario 64 World Record, to The History of the World's Highest Jump (cool vid) to this. :p
making content on this site is very demotivating to me, I’m working on a review of dark knight returns and becuase you just have to upload daily to make it somewhere on this site, I’ve had to make shitposts. They got claimed and I know the video I’m working on is going to be claimed too, I’m disputing the other claims but last night I worked for about an hour on a 80 second clip. This is really the first time I’m putting real effort in my editing. I never ask for subs it’s really annoying, I olny sub if I like the content, not if you ask, if you ask I’m probably not going to sub. I’ve been fimmilat with making content with this site since 2016, my first channel olny got to 60 subscribers before I started this one. To be fair, the videos on that channel are actually shit and there wasn’t much effort. I like making videos, I want to be a filmmaker and edit and I think this is a good start up with the content I’m doing. I’m proud that I actually wrote a video and it’s over 2 minutes long (dkr review is going to be around 20 minutes) and fully edited. I use ytp techniques becuase I think those are the best techniques, the one I use the most is “sentence shifting” I try to be original, but when you have 4826295726373 videos uploaded a second it’s a little hard, I want to be like the next Ralphthemoviemaker or you emp, content creators that really raise the bar in my opinion. Now my content it’s not the best in the world, but it’s certainly better than Jake a Logan Paul. Great video emp!
it's funny how emplemon vids are the only rewatchable thing i have except vsauce or exurb1a. Nothing is rewatchable anymore. These are the ONLY videos ive watched more than 3 times and all the fucking algorithm has to do is GIVE ME SOME NICE STUFF I ENJOY. but no i keep getting recommended things that ive never evn wanted to watch because god vorbid i only watch emplemon and vsauce monthly uploads and not all day fucking long
It's funny how he doesn't get why someone would watch people game rather than game themselves, showcasing the same level of ignorance as when people don't understand why people make/watch ytpoops
The largest example of the idea of 'broadcasting yourself' dying off was our last hope, pewdiepie losing the crown after 5 FUCKING YEARS TO A M U S I C C O R P E R A T I O N
Good video emp. The first thing i personaly did after getting account setup, was to delete ALL of the home page garbage the algorithm wanted me to watch. Now my home page consist mostly by vidos of chanels i had subscribed to.
The sections he "hasn't even mentioned" are now as follows: Failure to protect creators: YouTube Copyright Metagame &YT Geographic: Viacom Lack of Transparency/Refusal to Communicate: Operation Red Herring & YouTube's Next Great War Pointless and Confusing Changes: YT Geographic - Neutral Response
Hate to say it, but Youtubepoop was pretty lame most the time. The start of this video came off as whining from an old internet shitlord. Thankfully, your history vids are much better. But in the end I started agreeing with you.
It would have been nice to scroll down to the comments and seeing people exchanging great youtubers. My recommendations would include Lemmino, ChubbyEmu, MedLife Crisis, Nexpo, yeah stuff one probably already knows :D
Back in about the summer of ‘07 my brother who was about 8-9 at the time showed me YouTube, and that’s how we spent that summer vacation, until my brother showed me s dumb Barney video that scared me, so my mom said no more YouTube, of course as a kid you try to go on the forbidden things like adult swim and watch family guy or whatever, so I went back on, about 08 is when I started using it regularly but it wasn’t until 14 that it replaced television, with so much edgy content like filthy frank, idubzz, and gaming centered people like jontron and avgn, and the fact that I now had a console that I could just watch YouTube on anytime, it didn’t make sense anymore, edgy content has moved from YouTube to places like ifunny where if you ban the n word we’ll make slang for it (then ifunny Corp makes it an app that tries to be like YouTube despite the fact that it name derived from a racial slur but whatever) which is why I think we should just drop all this crap about idubzz and leafy already, like seriously it was what like 3-4 years ago? If you want edgy content YouTube isn’t the place for it anymore, it’s still alternative and I still use YouTube everyday, but I won’t deny its changed, and edgy content has changed so much with it, so leave the past in the past
i fixed the algorithm by clearing and pausing my search/watch history so it literally can't recommend me anything (because there's no history) except for trending vids and subscriptions
I feel like this is beginning to change either that or what I watch has changed so much that I don't get recommended shit anymore and I mostly get recommended quality with the occasional shit.
@Doom58I mean the algorithm is better at giving me good content, YouTube still doesn't financially support certain things very well like it used to so shorter high quality stuff definitely gets cucked.
@Doom58 Doom58 Watch longer videos and certain genres I guess, I have some animation channels that I like, also I get tons of history videos and longer documentary style videos like this and I'd assume it's from watching those genres. Looking at my home page I found a historical video from a channel subscribe to and haven't watched, I got a video from a small Youtuber I subscribed to and another 2 videos from 2 moderately large channels I subscribed to, one just yesterday. And I usually end up living these videos.
Edit: looks like all my recommended except one is my subscription, and this 1 video is from a channel I havbe never seen before.
I miss the old YouTube, when people didn't steal the same opinion from each other to stay relevant, or write the same comment someone else wrote in hopes to get more likes. Our world is approaching a dark age.
This video is pretty much in my understanding a short documentary about a YouTube, not just a video rather an essay into how much they at google truly cared about the epsilon’s down below them at the time. It would probably be a good idea if a part two was made but it’s unlikely that will happen because it’s been almost two years and it’s wore out its welcome to a certain extent
Either which way these days it’s preferable for google to cover there tracks up with freedom of speech and that often leads to insult and injury towards content creators.
Despite being two years out of date I still think it’s one of the best documentary type videos on the website
(Yes I might be a bit late to the comment section party but at least I remember it when it was stuck at 1,000 views )
I still find it absurd that those Fortnite highlights have millions of views while there are completely original sketches with no more than a few thousand views.
If you need any more proof, just look at the featured/popular/trending section that Youtube has.
It is either movie/game trailers, Top 10s, Reacts, lets players, unboxings, talk shows, and generic music videos. I admit it has gotten a lot better than a few years ago where it was all toy channels. But if you are new on Youtube that is exactly what you see. You don't see the few good content creators out there, you see the people that spam out videos like they are nothing but a generic formula to maximize the length of videos with minimal effort.
Everything good eventually dies, hopefully we all move on from youtube to something better so the cycle can start again
12171010011010 I personally think we are in too deep in YouTube to leave it. I have tried many other sites but they aren't just the same and kind of clunky.
Thanks for this video mate. I know you probably won't read this comment, but if you are, then can I say thank you. I know that I'm an intelligent person and I feel like YouTube is no longer something for people to be challenged with, or somewhere where you can be entertained and feel happy. Now the content is so shit I feel like I could do way better than the retards making millions and I'm not even an adult. I am one of those people that has the attention span to read really long comments, to watch really long videos and the challenge my brain, but there is such a scarcity of this stuff now. I do watch mainstream channels, I do watch stuff in trending but I hate it. I can't find anything good here anymore and I'm loosing the creativity, intelligence and spark that I used to have. I am amazed at how millions of people can watch these same- mind numbing videos. I don't know wether they like it or hate is as much as I do. And I will never really know.
YouTube isn't the only thing that is being affected by this epidemic. There are so many other things, music, news, even fucking adverts that are becoming bland, uninspired, easy to make and easy to understand. I feel like everything around me is targeted to idiots. No one in the entertainment industry is willing to step out of their confit zone, their routine, to make something original. No one will take the risk to do something different. And if someone does- if someone has the balls to make something good and original- most people will love it. Then it will be milked by companies and make it shit again. This is due to cowardice and only caring about money.
My dad works is market research- his job is to calculate exactly what the masses want. He knows about how anything new has to be tested and nothing about entertainment really cares about the individual.
This all sickens me. Just like it sickens you. And I know that pretty much no one will be reading this comment- or even reading it this far in- but if anyone is reading- I hope you can agree with me.
I want to work in the entertainment industry to bring creativity and to show how a bit of risk can pay off- but I know that if I were to ever try, everyone would stop me and I wouldn't succeed because in the end, everything is about money. No one cares for anything else than money. That is the sad truth.
Ditto man, I feel ya. I read the whole thing, and I agree that everything around us is just... Clickbait. Take mini... Minio... sobs FUCKING MINIONS for example. The new Despicable me isn't even Despicable me! It's HEY LOOK AT THIS WE HAVE MINIONS IN THIS MOVIE HAHHAHA LOLLOLOL SO FUNNY GO BUY OUR MINION STUFF. And the worst part is... IT FUCKING WORKS. It makes me angry beyond any reasonable measure...
YouTube has been on a downward spiral for a long time, but I think that the COPPA stuff might be the final
chapter to YouTube as a platform. Think about it, over the past week content creators have been worrying
about this because of the vague terms that define "children's content", and how the new bot that will ultimately
determine if your videos are child friendly or not. Also the fines from the FTC if they think your content doesn't
match what your saying it is.
It's not surprising that EmpLemon was able to predict about YouTube getting worse from the day of this video
being uploaded to now. This video still holds a great deal of water in the discussion about how YouTube has
continue to have gotten worse 2 years later.
Ultimately it's still up for debate on if YouTube is going to survive the enforcement of the updated
version of COPPA in January 1st of 2020. As quoted from @Ryuko_OVA's comment "COPPApocolypse is coming soon.". All we can do is wait until the start of the new year to see how things progress then, and see what the state of YouTube will be like in the new year.
"A lot of creativity and patience." Proceeds to make the YTPs that typically are comprised of only distortion effects, sentence mixing, and ear rape. "CREATIVITY."
Seriously though, I'm just giving you a hard time. I love your content, old and new, and I realize how much work it takes to create it, even if the result is utter nonsense (which is why I love it). I mean if it takes gaming YouTubers who do somewhat significant editing 3-4 hours to edit their videos, I can't imagine how long it takes to edit together your YTPs. Especially with all the effects you use. The amount of time you spend on each video must be near unfathomable.
This is why I watch youtube with adblock; as much as this hurts the youtuber, it hurts youtube more. It's gotten real bad in 2020, and this vid is still relevant. We're getting better at giving the source of content being shared elsewhere (or call them out if they didn't.) Worse yet, this isn't just localized here on youtube; EVERY SOCIAL MEDIA IS SHIT! But, as someone who wants to make content, I'm going to use twitch, but I'm not going to follow trends; I'm going to play the games I like when I want, and commentate the way I want, whether that be by myself or with friends. But, anyways, you gained a sub today, keep up the good shit!
I don't like people who swear in videos. I was watching a video, someone in the video said the N-Word when I was in public transport. I don't like shitty lets plays, I used to watch them, now they're garbage. Top 10s are not fun to watch, it's just seing as you greatly explained, someone mixing stuff and making it to the 10 minute mark. I'm more into music, horror genre gameplays (Only from one guy) And adicted to animations or documentaries, or both of them mixed together (I love your Dale Earnhardt video btw...) And Possibly no oned cared about the video you spend days making. Thanks for taking me into the dark truth of YT 👍
Dear Emplemon, Thank you for apologizing to BTM. This hate has gone too far. Telling someone to kill themselves because he is a normie is just uncalled for. Behind the meme is unoriginal sure, but he doesn't deserve this shit. Thank you for being a man and apologizing to him.
TheVideoIsTheKing dear god, why are On this part of YouTube? “ don’t tell people to kill themselves” good god man, let us have our fun, while you and your Normie lit fam squad have your fun.
In all serious-ness, please do not tell people to kill themselves seriously. It's just not funny and it's harmful not only to the people you are hating, but also yourself and the community. Just stop. I don't care aout your age.
3 fucking years later and all this shit is still relevant, at this point I believe nothing will change, everything will he the same or get worse here, and there's no fucking competitors, people are fucked here forever
I can definitely relate to this. I've been trying for nearly 3 years to get off the ground, but nothing seems to work. I put out quality, weekly content but my videos still get hardly over 500 views.
Furby Man Your videos don't get too many views because you've restricted the content you make to a very niche subcategory that many can't enjoy. Open up your channel and create diverse content.
Yeah, but the problem is that there are many other people who make content similar to mine, and they get 10x as many views as me.
The problem is that YouTube barely puts my videos in the related videos section. I've only ever seen my videos appear in the related videos of a few videos. The only time I get any sort of views is when I follow a popular subject, but I don't want to do that.
Furby Man Well I don't have answers to these problems, the only thing I can suggest is to produce as much as possible to get better quicker and maybe you'll gain popularity.
I think YouTube shouldn't be relied upon as a source of income unless your popularity is already firmly established.
That said, you should still continue to make videos if you love doing them, because people will always recognize passion and appreciate it.
It’s a damn shame that the world took him away from us so fast. He could’ve been so much more. He could’ve done so much more. It sounded like he enjoyed his works, and put his heart and soul into it. And so many people loved him.
What the hell can you do, though? Fuck, I feel bad now.
He certainly did. I remember on the memorial video to him (I think its on DasBoSchit's channel although I could be wrong) One of the people talking in it mentions how Kitty hated being in the hospital because he had no access to his computer so he couldn't do any animations.
As someone who personally knew the guy; he definitely wouldn't have given a shit about the state of YouTube. He avoided drama like the plague and laughed off shit that sounded retarded.
If he was still around, which i would really fuckin enjoy, i think he’d end up like emplemon did. someone who put all their heart and soul into something for a long time, but eventually switched over to a commentary and rant style channel.
Today i nostalgia'd hard and saw a bunch of lego stop motion animations, which is a genre that is almost dead at this point, and i struggled to find out most of the old lego star wars animations i saw when i was a kid, way back in 2007~2009... Feels bad man :(
The more i watch this video, the more i realize how true you are. I'm kinda ashamed that i am subscribed to WatchMojo, cause you put up a lot of valid points about Youtube and their crappy channels. Thanks for telling the raw barebone truth man. I'd honestly want to have someone tell me something I'm doing wrong so i can fix myself, besides having some shitty youtuber telling me to subscribe to their shit channel. Thanks man, and keep up the great work. EMPLEMON IS THE BEST!!
Steinsline Ok Call me whatever you want, my dude. But ultimately, I'm just another guy who just likes to watch good Youtube. But thanks anyways. I see myself more as a Lion, in my opinion, at least IRL.
no, really, do what you like. If youtube is going to implode you are going to atleast be happy you did what you liked in there. If other people follow your example, better. Do what you love, enjoy what you do. and if youtube is gonna fall, atleast you know you did your best, and that you were yourself and not some corporate toy.
That's not much of a fix. Truth is, there is no fix for youtube, because Google wants it to be profitable-- which it never was. And, in their pursuit of profitability at the expense of all else, they've killed the site-- or at least are well underway in doing so. The only thing one can hope for is that something better comes along, or somebody gets up enough cash to fund something better being made.
Still, it's a nice sentiment. I kinda wish more people actually did their own thing. Lord knows I miss seeing animation on here, and stuff that wasn't just background noise for more engaging activities.
Valkarie Stoze Nah, most of them have a decent or great story with a combination of decent gameplay. You just need to put a lot of time and effort into MMO games. It doesn’t mean it’s boring just very time consuming. Now shitty puzzle games from the App Store however...
So I've just been going through your videos (really enjoying them btw) and I have a theory. I think YouTube has either been creating multiple algorithms or allowing the algorithm to differentiate between different types of users. I doubt it's intentional on the part of management, and I think it's probably either the AI getting enough feedback to fix itself or smart engineers having good insights. I say this because I keep coming across high quality channels with a large backlog of good videos, and the algorithm is actually recommending videos from that backlog to me. I still have to scroll past vapid content, but the optimist in me thinks there might actually be some hope if YouTube is able to simultaneously give the normies their bread and circuses while still preserving higher quality channels for people that are interested. I don't know if / how the problem of introducing new channels of the same type could be fixed, but hey, it's at least some progress.
YouTube is gonna turn out in one of two ways. One is that this extreme business shill gets to the point where everyone sees past their get rich quick scheme, and it'll be their downfall thus the site viciously losing relevancy. Or learn from their mistakes and incentivize to take critical feedback. Extensively rework the algorithm taking cliff notes off of the older variants. Include an extensive audience rating instead of just simply having: "Age restriction" I'm an adult and prefer to watch mature content. The way YouTube is going will probably cut out mature viewers extensively.
Maybe they should do it the way Valve does its store page. Exclusion means less profit but to a reasonable extent. (Referring to pure asset flips as surpassing that "reasonable extent")
and now the COPPA issue is a thing LMAO sorry emplemon, it seems like youtube was the hero to the common video creator that lived long enough to see itself become the villain
This Video is still a well edited and very well written Masterpiece. The worst thing i can take away from this Video is that Youtube somehow has gotten even worse.
Great there are still good things and YouTube. And honestly, for me the Algorythm works actually well. Got linked to this video for Example and found a lot of my favorite Channels - None of them do let's plays, "pranks", commentaries, or the worst of them all, reactions. Many of them make a living of YouTube, but oh boy, I wouldn't wanna switch, because since they don't make effortless Bullshit, it often takes weeks of research, experimentation and all fo that Nonsense to make a single Video. It often takes them all in all 50+ hours for a single fucking video.
Therefore I am really really not mad, that all of them rely on Patreon and at least most of them on Sponsorships. YouTube Clicks alone can't feed you and your family, if you do quality and can't shit out 2 hours of Bullcrap Content every single fucking day. Most of those good channel that make a living out of it create one two maximum two videos (only rarely more) a week, (with the work they put in, more is also not possible) with "minimum" views compared to Shit like commentaries. Seriousyl, the fuck is wrong, why the fuck is watching some Asshole reacting to some Video getting views like crazy, for the most effotless content ever? Well at least the Algorythm is good to me there either. I have NEVER been recommendend any of the Popular Bullshit. Most of the times just shit I'm generally interrested in.
TierZoo truly is a marvel of modern YouTube. Amazingly edited, researched content with a compelling concept. That channel truly is a sign that YouTube and it’s creators still has potential.
I really do miss venturing into the weird side of youtube and then conversing with others who also fell into the hole in the comments. It was really something special.
Honestly one could draw many parallels between the current state of youtube and many other big tech companies. I started independently contracting for an unnamed online delivery service that I don't feel like giving out free advertising for because reasons late last year and it's been on a huge downward spiral. My workable full time hours have become part time hours and I get paid much less for those same hours as when I started. This is impossible in any contemporary job that you excel at. The very notion of being paid less year over year for doing the same job at the same level of competency is sickening, but it doesn't matter what the fuck I think because there is a sea of other more desperate and less competent idiots that will take my place in a literal heartbeat. There are other self-inflicted reasons why I'm stuck working for this shitty company, but that's irrelevant. As far as I'm concerned, these big companies that fuck over their independent workforces need to be regulated the same way the normal job market is. The content creators that are the actual lifeblood of this website deserve to be paid a bigger piece of the pie if not a majority of the pie. If it wasn't for their diligent work, this website would be completely ignored by the vast majority of the internet.
How does YouTube just keep unsubbing me from you Emp? It's been like 5 fucking times lmao. You are still one of my fave YouTubers nowadays. Rewatching your vids are really great and still entertaining to watch. I love waiting for your new vids, it's just always a treat to find out you uploaded a new vid.
I love how much music from Wish you were here you used in this video, it is my favorite Pink Floyd album. Anyway back on topic, yeah as a small content creator myself I can say YouTube and its audience is getting worse every day, I can’t deviate from my old content (which was basically me copying other channels) without losing my audience, and once I lose that I have to go to square one, and once you’re there again, if you have become unique enough, you will be forgotten and you will never get back up without bending to the algorithm.
Personally I've always wanted to make a channel where me and a few of my friends just play some games and fuck around, basically what we already do for no reason other than I wanna see how fast our humor gets taken down
At this point it’s not even YouTube that’s fucked. It’s the whole goddamn internet. Not gonna lie, I wanna find an alternative to the internet where we have much more freedom than here.
To be honest I've found the best thing to do is look for old and obscure forums. It depends on your tastes but, while these are very obvious forums, start with GFaqs and Neoseeker, seriously. If you're willing to put yourself forward and try to make friends then you can make friends of friends. And you can still see a lot of old web culture in them. They aren't just cleaned up, GFaqs especially is a beautiful mess.
Its still difficult and its not the same as the old net- I know the overall problem is way bigger- but its the best approach I've found. And people there can lead you to their Discord servers and stuff which may be more agreeable than servers you find otherwise.
Also check out The Backloggery, it's surprisingly still active and easy to just find people via the front page, you can see what they enjoy by looking at their pages and libraries, the site has good profile customisation, and a lot of people will actually reply if you leave a message.
The only way to make YouTube great again is if they: Bring back the star based rating system or at least implement a system like the star based rating system, Change the default tab to subscriptions Change the algorithm to promote quality over quantity (I.e. View count matters more than watch time), Get rid of the rewind or at least be more honest with the rewind, Make sure YouTubers can see their subscriptions like their videos or rated their videos 5 stars , Make tabs meaningful again, Enforce their policies equally to everyone in the website, Add YouTube Poop as a category, and handpick High effort videos (like they used to)
I’m so sick of Youtubers being obsessed with being “advertiser friendly” and YouTube itself trying as hard as it can to pander to not just 4 year olds, but the dumbest, cloned 4 year olds they can find. Frankly I wish monetizing videos wasn’t a thing so that people would make things they like and really express themselves, rather than being greedy I make the stuff I wanna make but I don’t think people are really interested in scambaiting- either that or my thumbnails and titles aren’t attractive enough.
Emp is the Joker of Youtube. He can predict stuff that a lot of people play into and is generally seen as a funny man when he cares about the youtube s o c i e t y.
I can't believe to this day that youtube channels are still asking you to subscribe and hit that notification bell. I don't think in the over 10 years that I've been on this website have I ever subscribed to someone's channel because they told me to. I subscribed because I enjoyed their content and wanted to see more of it in the future.
I feel like the only reason that my recommended feed isn't complete trash is because I've been using the site so heavily for so long. I've had a YouTube account since I was 9 years old, back in 2009, and while yeah I've changed accounts many times since then we all know that Google's spying transcends what account you use so they still kinda know its you, but hey that's just my theory. Basically, I feel like at this point the algorithm would be sweating to find a way to shove garbage among the type of content it knows I generally like and watch consistently.
But yeah. New people have near zero chance of discovering actually good and original content these days. It's a sad state of affairs really, my younger brother who is 11 has been acting extremely "normie-like" and cringy lately and I feel like it's because of the kind of shitty, AI-generated YouTube content that the algorithm has been spoon-feeding him over the past 2 years. I try to recommend better channels to him (educational channels like LEMMiNO and CGP Grey I think would be particularly beneficial to someone like him) but he won't have none of it because I'm just a fat, weird "Aspergers Kid" who still lives with his parents at 19, despite the fact that I'm in uni studying CompSci and I'm actively trying to get out and pursue an independent life. I'm only 19 ffs, in this economy its hard enough finding cheap housing. He's just too lazy to seek out good content and just sits back and soaks up more schlock like Jake Paul and those fuckin reddit text to speech videos with autoplay on without clicking a single button. And always on his phone too, never in a traditional desktop setting which is what I grew up with, will always prefer and imo is just better suited in terms of design/layout to what YouTube was originally all about. And over the years I've learned to keep autoplay turned off.
OK well this just devolved into a personal rant but hey ho that's just how it be sometimes. Like Emp said, there is still tons of good content out there. Like him, I only watch content if it's good and I still watch a shit ton of YouTube, so I still have some sense of hope for the site even in the new incoming post-COPPA era. Thanks for listening to me ramble, but hey I guess that's what we all came to this video for isn't it; to listen to someone ramble.
· This is the main reason I've hated this site and it's really discouraging to want to make my own content.
I don't want to make basic gameplay videos - despite how much I love gaming - but making something original despite my lack of skill and uncertainty only to have everything working against me makes it feel like I'm being strangled just because I want to make something people enjoy.
· Just to clarify: I'm not saying YouTube is the only reason/problem with this; I'm definitely feeding into it as well. I'm just saying that often it seems that YouTube has morphed from this small light to cherish and help grow, into this massive shadow hanging over you as a creator or potential creator.
Gee I really like this YouTuber, I wonder if there was a way to make it easier to know when he uploads. I mean subscribe doesn't even do anything anymore. I keep having to search his channel manually. The algorithm disagrees which my choices I guess....
I wish there was some feature that would let me see this person's videos when they post them. It is unfortunate that I do not know of such a feature... If only I were reminded or something, IDK.
yeah, ive been wondering this too. Maybe if there was just a button, say, a doorbell you could click to get notifications. nvm thats never gonna happen
MAN... i miss the "weird part of youtube" just mashing the recommended video button over and over until i was watching some half naked dude banging a metal bar attached to his crotch to another bar... or something similar, sometimes i could come across pretty need if pointless Lego inventions- and found a lot of cool channels this way
Funny that I've been recommended this by THE ALGORITHM. I don't get elsa or fortnight, reaction videos, top 10 compilations, 5 minute crafts or (much of) PewDiePie in my recommended, I must be doing something wrong /s.
For real though, algorithm works as intended, problem is with people, and not even that. Original audiences are still there, they are just drowned in absolute numbers and only shrinking through people growing out of it.
Okay dude as for let's plays...I don't watch any of the people you mentioned...The first gaming I watched was minecraft related...and since then I've tried to see the best of every type of video...I'm not going to succeed but I'LL TRY MY BEST!!!
This will most likely be buried under many other comments (including my own comment, I guess) but if you’re reading this, here’s some recommendations for some amazing and underrated Youtubers:
TheKing35: A pixel animator who’s created the Undertale DDD series, they do high quality and detailed animations that deserve more views and love
RynoGG: A pixel animator who’s created the Underfell series, the Other Worlder series and much more, they deserve a lot more notoriety
Jimmy Davis: A highly talented Youtube Pooper who makes incredible “Poops”, you should really check them out if you enjoy YTP
Kleric: A youtuber that creates videos looking into challenges, tricks and glitches of Zelda: Breath of The Wild, if you’re a fan of the game you should check them out, their content is very interesting
Element Animation: It’s likely that you’ve heard of this channel since they are quite popular but they are popular because they’re really good animators, they’ve created many minecraft animations and have made the The Crack series
Mark Haynes: The creator of an amazing sprite animation series called Super Mario Bros. Z
I know most people won’t check any of these channels out but if you do Thank you!!!
I only watched Buzzfeed cause of Buzzfeed Unsolved and etc cause i really like the personality on that show, The ghost and etc are just the subject but the people on that show i find entertaining
YouTube...hear me...I just subscribed to EmpLemon after watching this video...ALL 49:03 OF IT...Do I care about YouTube Poops specifically? Not really...sooo, why did I watch this and subscribe?
BECAUSE I DEMAND QUALITY CONTENT!
I am a VIEWER and I DO NOT LIKE TELEVISION...TV is formulaic, TV networks have all lost their creativity and a number of them have even betrayed their original premise...I AM one of those disenfranchised viewers that YouTube was CREATED for...it is MY clicks that drive the ad revenue...MY clicks bring videos forward within the algorithm...
It is TIME THAT YOUTUBE RECOGNIZES THE POWER OF VIEWERS!!!! I will support the channels that I choose to support! YouTube...YOU HAVE NO SAY! YOU are the provider but I am the customer...which makes ME and EVERY OTHER SUBSCRIBER OUT THERE YOUR BOSSES!
YouTube...LISTEN TO US OR SUFFER THE CONSEQUENCES!!!!!
Fuck it, I'm reuploading buzzfeed videos without ads until they go bankrupt. Obviously I'm going to download them though YouTubeRed just to add felony to injury.
here is my question.... wernt youtube poops called youtube poops.... because its suppost to be a pun on the idea that they are "shitty videos" (by a pun i mean youtube poops arent shitty they are making fun of people calling them shitty)
The worst part is, literally nothing he says is even and exaggeration. I used to do this cookie cutter bullshit before I got bored and quit. We are fucking dumb asses.
TheLonelyGoomba used to have the edgiest jokes, but has succumbed to time and became an example of what YouTube's algorithms are doing to content creators
GOOD SHIT. it's good to finally realize that I'm not going insane by thinking I'm the only one hating on every other clickbait youtuber or whatever because its "cool." I see stupid shit all the time in my feed that has NO correlation to anything I've ever watched. I even made a second account and the FIRST thing I saw was a clickbait video about some guy acting like he can levitate with "5 easy steps." And it's put me into this perspective that all the original Youtubers are gone because I'm never recommended anything half good or original.
Youtube: To be successful, make 10 minute long gaming videos talking and yelling about something simple to understand Me: I'm gonna write a short ridiculous song about Sloths that for some reason people love!
I hope youtube (and the videogames) will have a crash, like the crash of the videogames on the 1983, because I'm sick of how youtube and the videogame community is going foward on a bad way
Thing is, parents are giving mobile devices to their kids as a way to shut them up. What do the kids do? They watch shitty content because they don't know any better. I believe the same thing can be said about videogames. A default father buys a console for his kid with the latest Call of Duty to have some peace. Next day the kid goes to school and tells his friends how he killed 20 people with a quickscope.
nothere I think that video games will crash again, namely because of how most video game companies, particularly Nintendo and Konami, have been exposed as being pretty much evil.
Never mind that many fans and critics are now blind to how many games today are dreadful, like constantly recycling the same premise (like almost all of today's Mario games - though Super Mario Odyssey looks like it will change all of that) or just relying on incredibly dated graphics, poor gameplay, and bad storylines (I'm looking at you, Sonic Mania).
Francesco Bertini Agreed. Empty box made a video on how bad the sim community is getting claiming that their favorite game is the only good game out there. Need I mention the trashing of less realistic games by them?
Pyromancer yeah dude trump has been doing some great things lately decreasing unemployment, enforcing the Mexico-USA border and brexit was good so the United Kingdom doesn't become shitty like the other EU members
I would just like to say that’s you aren’t alone, I remember the good old days of YouTube and on occasion I will even quote memorable phrases with siblings and unsuspecting friends.
I've watched YouTube since 2009, I am 13 years old, YouTube was one of my favorite sites on the internet. It's now a clickbait-y mess which most people want "fame" and want ad revenue. YouTube is a fucking mess that has become a site for advertisements and profit. YouTube has lost its heart and has become a repetitive mess of infinite laziness.
Yeah, it just sucks. How about going to other websites where it's better than this like vidme or newgrounds where tons of talented people posting their creation.
After months of listening, after countless views, after every "DOWNWARD SPIRAL", you have done it. You have finally convinced me to unsubscribe. HEY DON'T GET MAD AT ME HE TOLD ME TOO!
So the gyst of this video is that alot of lazy videos are popular now making people who want to put in the work to not be rewarded to make a entertaining video
Watched in full on 12 January 2019, half before work and half after. Video is still entirely accurate as far as I can tell.
As much as I've been trying to get YouTube's needlessly relatively new algorithm to understand, I am still seeing majority-clickbait, grating-thumbnail-videos on the homepage.
You've validated the feelings many of us are having. Let's not forget all the features YouTube has done away with. I never thought websites would ever have less features as time progresses!
Didn't YouTube remove roughly 52 million videos a couple weeks ago?
Thank you for making this video, and thank you for being detailed in doing so, including listing the music in the description. Quite a few bits brought back memories and I am happy I don't have to ask for what music was played at a specific timestamp. But I'm sure there will still be someone who won't read the description.
Anyway, I did subscribe to you. You're now among about a dozen or so channels which fit this category for me. Much like you suggest near the end of the video, I hope to find others similar to yourself. May your video remain on YouTube for all to watch forever, so people have the potential to learn about the spiral, even if few can find you. All I know is I'll be linking to this video whenver appropriate.
I watched the whole thing and now I'm depressed. I grew up with YouTube, back in the golden 2007-2012 era, and I miss the great, original animations, particularly from Oney and FilmCow.
I hate this vapid shit we get now, and as he said in the video, I can't do anything about it, I just have to lean back and watch it fall. When this site eventually dies, it's going to hurt a lot of people.
I did and i didnt expect to be filled with thinking as weird as that is to say. So many lengthy videos I've watched doesnt do that unless it's thought provoking or filled with information you have to actually listen to all the way through out. Kinda like what happens when i try to learn math.
also the video made me feel kinda shitty, because i have watched watchmojo here and there just to see what was someone else's opinions on what the all time whatever game/genre/somethng-game-related is and is a way for me to possibly come across some game or something in a game i've played before that i didnt know about. I wont lie to say I've watched a behind the meme video before. Watched 1 all the way through, but then i open another and clicked off. The video made me feel shitty once more cuz i've been planning on uploading videos again, but I just have to not do it for popularity/status/whatever fills my ego. Reason why i stopped in the first place because i wasnt making stuff that I like, but rather something i knew would get views. Constantly a fight against myself.
Tears of joy because this video is so true to home, hell I made a ytp on my other YouTube channel called BiggumsRTMC Games called "Diary of a Disturbed Child," a Diary of a Wimpy kid ytp, I had to tell my sub v sub friend with 100 sub v sub subscribers to not react to my fucking video because the last video I made was about an earrape music video for fun because some dumbass from my school made a soundcloud rap song I decided to turn it into a yt video, edit it a bit make it cancerous, but my friend stole about 70 views from me (this is a high school YouTube channel the view count is gonna be small) I got mad because his video made me feel like he is the reincarnation of jinx, because his videos consist of minecraft, sub v sub, and reaction videos. I just never thought he would react to my content, s t e a l my content.
Anyways moral of the story is I hate the spiral and I hate how I have to use the little connections I have to prevent myself from losing views. As for the ytp I made, Greg Heffly dreams about becoming a school shooter XD
watching creepy pasta video has made me able to watch videos hours long without breaking a sweat. That being said, I find it sad youtube's Ad friendly policies have managed to fuck over horror channels in a similar manner to animation channels.
I watched it all in one sitting. I'm used to watching 1hour+ videos such as stream reuploads or in-depth analyses of vidoe games, if the video is less than 20 minutes long I rarely watch it... Having a long attention span feels good :)
Could've just liked and moved along, but I'm commenting as well. I watched/listened to the entire thing and absolutely agree that youtube's gone to total sit.
It's worth mentioning that I've gone out of my way to teach youtube not to recommend anything from Buzzfeed and the like.
I've watched the entire video and realized how subjective Youtube is now. Only a few years ago, Youtube had videos for everyone of all ages and tastes. Now, most Youtubers that were popular back then are only making videos targeting the younger audience. I noticed that the younger audience usually only ask for the same videos, I've never seen a comment from them suggesting something new. Now all we see are just videos related to trends.
Well I already knew this was gonna happen but there is still hope it is only a rather of can society change. LOOOOOOOOL not gonna happen since we love to hide from the truth but I say let's watch what we truly like rather than trends. I also watched the whole video.
@Jeremy Borman calm down fam, they kill our moms faster but no need to call a crusade. Our purpose is to make memes for them, it's a pitiful existence but people will always make memes, and they'll always get overused by the common public.Also the era of montage and shrek wasn't as good as you think, that's just nostaliga.
I watched the entire video multiple times over I'm actually thinking about changing my channel because I was trying to do gaming and whatnot I'm semi okay at it but I'm terrible behind the camera I always fuck up what I want to say
I've watched the video several times now. When I first watched it in 2017, I did it bit by bit (had some stuff going on that day so I had to pause it a bunch of times), but still watched all the way through and thoroughly enjoyed it.
DalekSupremeWithCheese It really speaks to me, how everything has changed into stale content, revolving around everyone’s brain cells committing suicide every time they click on a stupid video. I only hope for change in the future...
Ive watchrd this vid at least 3 timem emp reminds me of YT when I was a kid and I miss it. I saw Potter puppet pals. Charlie thebunicorn. Daneboe. Ashes retarded adventure the lazer collection
Emplemon should really be a public speaker. The ending really stuck to me about how I should watch actual content instead of the crap every channel pumps out everyday.
Me, all 49 minutes and 2 seconds of it. He said some things that I agree with and sort of already knew. Like how Youtube caters too often to simple-minded things.
This has so much history that I watched it. I completely relate to a lot of it because I was a child when I saw YouTube growing into the cesspool it is today. It was a genuine experience
Incogneko I watched youtube during a different golden age, corresponding to the golden age of animation. The golden age of minecraft. I started watching in 2012 and am still watching today.
You know I used to think I was a normie, but thanks to this video I remember that I too grew up watching Charlie the unicorn, clay world, and the lazer collection
I watched the whole thing, now that I recently discovered this channel. I'm so affraid of clicking on anything that isn't my usual (subscribed) stuff that I fear the algorithm is going to shove down my throat any pos available in the front page. I also started questioning wheter I'm really watching good content in Youtube, even though the channels I follow aren't celebs or corps (a.k.a. LazyPurple, Taliesin, Hazelnutthy, UncleDane...)
If anyone is looking for good modern-day content that has been hidden from sight by YouTube, might I suggest "Literally Hitler" by YouTube animator Joe
the status and general progression of youtube, in my opinion, represents culture as a whole. there was a time in western civilization where you were consistently told throughout childhood and adulthood that hard work pays off, and were not only required to put effort into things, but outright *required*. if you didn't put any effort into anything, you would be broke, homeless, and barely scraping by. there was reason to do work, to put effort into things, and any average joe could be better than an average joe if they put the time and effort into doing so, even if what constituted an average joe continued to go up and up.
around the same time that non-effort began being rewarded almost as much as effort, and the people who looked to be successful got punished for it, we ended up with the same situation we have now on youtube. a stagnant group of elites who learned to abuse the now-butchered system of effort-reward stay at the top while anyone who wants to get to the top by their own creative thinking and true, honest to god elbow grease are stomped down by the systems in place specifically designed as a misguided attempt to level the playing field for everyone. and now that those people are in power, and get REWARDED for their LACK OF INGENUITY, what can the commoners do? nobody outside the little circlejerk of elites can influence the system, nor can they influence those who can. the poor stay poor and the rich stay rich.
that's not just why apple, microsoft, and sony have been at the top since the 90s. it's also why watchmojo, buzzfeed, and arguably pewdiepie have been at the top for far too long as well.
Ruin has come to our website. You remember our venerable Youtube, opulent and imperial, gazing proudly from its stoic perch behind the screen? I lived all my years on that ancient, rumor shadowed site, fattened by decadence and memery. And yet, I began to tire of... conventional content. Singular, unsettling tales suggested the Website itself was a gateway to some fabulous and low effort content. With camera and revenue, I bent every effort towards the creation and popularization of that low effort content, exhausting what remained of our ad revenue on paid editors and quality cameras. At last, in the salt-soaked crags beneath the lowest foundations, we unearthed that damnable algorithm of antediluvian evil. Our every upload unsettled the ancient earth, but we were in a realm of repetitiveness and normies. In the end, I alone fled laughing and wailing through those unchallenging videos of inoffensiveness... Until consciousness failed me. You remember our venerable youtube, opulent and imperial? It is a festering abomination! I beg you, return home, claim your ad revenue, and deliver our website from the ravenous clutching shadows... Of the Darkest Content.
That's a nice speech you got there my kind sir. And I like to say that your comment has given me a simile to a Dystopian Cyberpunk future where you can't say anything. Kind of similar to Nineteen Eighty-four by George Orwell or Charlie Brooker's series, Black Mirror.
7:33 - 8:22 is the truest shit. In my opinion, YouTube has generated more content focused on ad-revenue, rather than creativity. So much clickbait, and low-effort content.
I know this video is like, old and whatnot, but it pretty much sums up how I feel about everything in life. Everything is like this now. I remember a time when this whole place was nothing but cranberries... And now those cranberry fields didn't just die... They were murdered...
I don't hate you. I get it. People hate or dislike things they don't understand. When someone calls something "stupid" it's their way of saying "I don't understand it" without realizing that their inability to understand it was what the problem was the entire time. I like to study things, even things I hate, just to understand them better. A lot of people tend to tell me "I hate you" right to my face and I'm okay with it, they're just words, and it's usually because I said something like, "You could have summarized that entire video in a few sentences but you got over dramatic and took it too far just for the fun of it, didn't you?"
But I'll admit... I only watched the first four minutes before commenting......
I should say something nice - I like EmpLemon, and his videos are really interesting. I'm a fan. I just didn't like the self-aggrandizing/inside joke description, but that's a minor thing. I'm subscribed to this channel - I would (and probably will) suggest this channel to others. Some creative and intelligent minds can become arrogant, and it's something to watch out for, because pride cometh before the fall.
I'm not even kidding, if you get this on the trending tab Emp, this could make a huge splash in the community. If just ONE youtube employee saw this video, they'd agree with everything you presented here
I don't think that YouTube might look at this video. Think about Google's standpoint. They are a big company and are the biggest search engine in the world. They only care about the money and ad revenue their brands make. YouTube tries to make money off companies to stay afloat and build their success, but the community is not happy about this, and it would be IMPOSSIBLE to get the word out to a multi-billionaire company like Google. It's business to make money.
Just to address all the replies in this thread, i should correct myself in saying that this won't cause youtube to change if it gets popular, but I mean it would really open people's eyes and influence their view of the website if it did
I don't enjoy this tone of video. Not that I don't agree with the subject matter but when someone is getting loud and aggressive I tend to not want to continue listening.
I watched the entire video, all the way through, and I wholeheartedly agree with everything you said. YouTube has become such a lifeless shell compared to what it was before. YouTube was something unlike anything anyone had ever seen before, and it was amazing because it was exactly what it said on the tin. "Broadcast Yourself". It always has been a video sharing site, but in it's prime, YouTube had something special about it. It had it's own culture, a living, breathing community of hundreds of thousands of creators uploading whatever they wanted in their free time for fun. Whether that was quality reviews of games, comedy skits or YTPs, YouTube videos usually had a high amount of effort put into them. It wasn't like TV, it was a whole new animal with faces we'd never seen. The production quality wasn't amazing, but that was part of it's charm, you could see that it was made by individuals doing it out of sheer enjoyment rather than a paycheck.
Modern YouTube is nothing but people complaining about how their videos are demonetized and how pissed off they are at YouTube. YouTube should've never evolved into what it is now, it shouldn't have become a job. Back in 2015 and 2016 was probably when this was at its peak, when YouTubers like LeafyIsHere would pump out nearly identical videos day after day, raking in millions of views that people who spent months at a time working on long projects deserved instead. Big companies and celebrities have squashed out the competition like weeds in a garden, because they're already famous. Their policy has changed from "Broadcast Yourself" to "Go Fuck Yourself".
Im sorry if my typing is scatter brained and hard to read, I am very bad at communicating with people.
I was 14 when this vid came out and I’ve been watching YouTube since 2008. I remember when anyone could become famous with a webcam. I miss the old YouTube.
i've said it in another of your videos emp: you have THE BEST commentary videos around these days, bar none. Also, i'm blown away not only by the insane ammount of editing in your videos, but also the AMAZING music selection playing on the background, it's obvious you are some kind of a music nerd, noiiiicee
I know I am well late with this video, but I only just found your channel. As you kept remarking about YouTube audiences just wanting to be doped up on polished family friendly content, I couldn't help but think that a majority of the audience is children. Then I remembered I was probably 10-11 watching the likes of Charlie the Unicorn, Shoes, and Salad Fingers. I think part of it is parents letting their kids sit on tablets all day while we were only surfing the web for limited amounts of time. Companies are pressured to make content less abrasive by public and sponsors. Sad stuff.
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Mike Wazowski2019-09-22 20:59:30 (edited 2020-04-19 05:13:33 )
Ok so i'ma be honest... he's not wrong, i'm 16, but at the same time i love to rewatch ASDF, Charlie the unicorn or Llamas with hats, and more. I really miss the old 2009-2013 Youtube, R.I.P the creativity of this platform. I'll just add, 6 months later, that I did indeed watched these early YouTube cartoons as a kid/teen, I didn't just find them due to the video.
I actually enjoy hour long videos. It shows alot of effort and interesting content was actually put into the video.. unlike the 10 minute fluff everyone uploads just for the ads /;
28:20 calls to action significantly increas the rate at which a channel grows and gains subscribers and views. Likes and comments help with the algorithm immensely and telling people to do that makes them much MUCH more likely to do that
People forget things Emplemon. Doesn't make em stupid, they're just not always paying attention that's all.
I remember I was 4 and I would usually go on YouTube to watch stuff. I saw all the classics, I was there when YouTube had it’s hay day. It was nice watching videos without crappy mobile game ads playing before the video started, and it was hell of a lot better without all the weird children biased videos on YouTube.
One of these days this video might just inspire me to do my own Youtube channel just to express my thoughts, opinions, and do any type of genre of content i want hmm
Alright, I suppose if there is anything I can do to make this site better, it's to just be more critical of the content being shoved down my throat by youtube, right? That's the least I can do to snail crawl against a truck speeding downhill towards disaster.
This video is cathartic to listen to. Our channel started 3 years ago and we haven't even broken 100 subs. I don't expect/want hundreds of thousands of followers or anything, and our content is in a fairly saturated area (gaming), but I know there's a market for what we do specifically and I'm sure we don't do it worse than the "guys more popular than us". It's such a drag because I originally started this channel with the goal of doing charity marathons eventually (Like the Nintendothon and Platformania), but at our size, it's almost pointless. Don't get me wrong, I'm thankful for those who have noticed us, truly, and if our content is actually bad, then we don't deserve to float upward just yet until we improve. Nevertheless, it's difficult not to be disheartened sometimes...
@Elite makyr gaming It just keeps getting worse, YouTube is now putting ads on people's channels that aren't even in the Partner Program. The creators in question don't get a single cent.
Doom58 because that means there’s still people that actually care and that’s inspiring and it’s like hope basically yeah not everything is going right on YouTube but it’s not all bad just like emp said there’s still good content
1) the trend of youtube being shit/mediocre checks youtube home page in incognito/private mode is still a thing
2) I don't think this problem is limited to just youtube it's just that youtube is the most visible/extreme example of things going downhill you can look at any social media/distribution platform and you'll notice a very similar situation
just to list the ones I can vouch for going through this in no particular order Steam RSS(not really going downhill as being a good idea that would've taken a very high level of effort to go downhill being incapable of getting traction even though it was a pretty good idea)
Google Chrome(People have gotten so lazy that everyone is going to chrome which has given google the confidence to make it very difficult to use ad blockers whether or not you like ad blockers shouldn't be relevant the fact that they're trying to take the option and people will probably stay on chrome anyways even though it's just worse is what's relevant)
And to list a couple I can't vouch for myself/may have always been bad Facebook reddit(side note: if you want an example of lazy content on youtube you can go find any youtube channel that just reads off stuff from reddit particularly the ones that have a bot read the text rather than actually contribue a decent to good sounding voice at least)
also pretty sure this is less incompetence and more just the fact that in general once a certain threshold of people using a thing is reached that thing starts going downhill(as people who found nice locations and hung out at them before a fuck ton of tourists showed up and ruined it for everyone can probably attest to)
Shit is actually tough to become a bigger channel when having less than 1,000 subs at least this video made me open my eyes and to get better at making content and to actually give a shit tbh
They should have made it base promotion on videos off of watch percentage instead of watch time, animation channels would do better and clickbait promotion would be avoided.
46:25 dispite the fact that you basically shat on any chances of anyone making in on youtube, dispite you listing all the ways this sight is completely fucked over and will forever be on a downward spiral: I have never been more inspired to make a youtube account and upload content again. Properly You and others like Vsause, Fantano, IDubbbzTV, Filthy Frank, RTGames, Proko, Schafrillas Productions and company. Thank you
I believe that youtube should recommend videos based on like-to-dislike ratio. Basing it on watch time is bad because it favors quantity over quality. Basing it on likes alone is bad because it favors more popular youtube channels without any regards to quality (a video with 500k likes but 8m dislikes would be recommended over a video with 10k likes and 500 dislikes). Recommendations based on a ratio or percent is the best, since it only takes into consideration if people liked it, and not by any factor that can be manipulated without effort (*cough cough* watchtime *cough cough*)
Dashy The Foxxo2019-10-07 19:00:38 (edited 2019-10-07 19:21:49 )
well... uhh... this kinda killed my motivation to make anything on youtube... youtube is broke need fix. Edit: i was half way through the video when i said this and my motivation is still kinda gone but that speach at the end was great!
@Doom58 whats kinda funny is that a few days after i said this i uploded a video for the 2nd time ever so thats a thing that happened but you do have a point
I may have said this under this very video, but ads keep getting worse and worse. I've definitely said it under one of your videos, but it keeps happening, and alarmingly fast.
I'm so sick of seeing ads for the lotto, the misc. kind with that tone of TV ads, ads for the dominant supermarkets here (Coles, especially, who are so fucking obnoxious, they blare their own song as an advertisement in their own stores, while you're in there, very frequently), travel ads, university ads, makeup ads, and shit. Also all of them are at much higher noise volumes than they used to be. Also the "breaking news" section that decides to slide itself onto my homepage weekly despite my repeatedly saying I'm not interested (I guess that's an improvement from seeing it every day which only took about six months of noping it off). I have no interest in any of those things. Please if I have to bear witness then at this point give me video game ads with obnoxious rock booms or Switch Online ads again. I can't turn ads off because I'm on an old iPad, so I can't use adblock or vanced, and is there even any fucking thing I can do about recommendations?
So right now I just post shitty small clips of video games I love because that's what I want to do.
But using YouTube bums out and tires me more and more. There are just select creators here who are too good to stop using the site entirely. Otherwise I probably would, at this point. I wouldn't miss posting my clips that much.
Oh yeah, don't you just love using this site to listen to rare music and then continue on in a playlist and hear some ad twice as loud as the songs?
Edit: I just checked the comments here by newest and apparently left a comment just a month ago but this rant still stands and ads seem significantly worse since even then.
I remember back in 2014 I was in my first year of middle school and I was with my best friend watching for violence on YouTube and typing mortal Kombat and I saw a legit naked Russian singing the mortal kombat theme naked
doesn't YTP require much more laborial effort than creative one. i mean sure there is some creative stuff out there but its not like poopers make their own striking composisions or epic tales right?
11:03 its really hard to find quality videos or videos that are quality AND not what you usually watch there isnt a good number to find quality with views mean little likes mean little hopefully someone finds a metric
Dude when I first started watching YouTube when I was about 13 WatchMojo, richest, and most amazing top ten took me over it was about all I watched. Ironically enough it was that animated history of Lego that the company put out, that pulled me out of my list obsession
Kids found Filthy Frank's video.... not the audience it was meant for..... Kids shared them to other kids........ Kids Quoted and acted those videos out in School....Kids got in trouble and had to tell their parents where they heard and saw what they did...... The Parents Were alerted
Part of what killed watching any of YTP or stuff like this is this exact kind of attitude.
I like most of your modern stuff, and I know this video old so take this purely as a vent towards the past, and do with it what you will. Just now that NOW, in 2019, I DO respect a lot of what you say even if I disagree with it.
THAT BEING SAID.
God the first couple minutes of this video is so disgustingly pretentious for the media it's discussing.
It's YTP. And ALSO like EVERY contemporary art form that ever existed, it's always full of pretentious people over-valuing the content they make. I wish people would stop putting YTP on some kind of high horse. It's supposed to be mindless humor or at best subtle jabs with the intent on getting laughs. It's not supposed to be this big statement about anything. How could it be? LOOK at it.
It's when people take in SO SERIOUSLY is when it loses all it's sheen. The part that made it good, the raunchy humor and genuinely ironic awful quality (and it is ironic) is why it was funny. It's like anyone who held Shakespeare in high regard. Nothing he wrote was super high brow, it's just assholes who make out like it is that ruin it for people like me, who just wanted to enjoy something for a little while. The steeping out of the comfort zone thing is what got me the most. All YTP at their core ARE the same. Or they are supposed to be anyway, eventually people get bored of it and that's fine. It was trendy back when it was bigger and I am sure it'll always exist in some form but, contrary to your statement, they ARE all the same. And if they weren't, someone missed the point.
I am glad the long road you took to get where you are now happened because honestly your content now is a lot better than any YTP that you ever made.
I am just glad that (it seems anyway) this version of you is probably gone for good, because the first 3 minutes of this video had the exact same feel to it as when someone tries to justify why their specific sub-genre of music hardly anyone listens to is better than someone else's sub-genre of music hardly anyone listens to. At the end of the day, it wasn't supposed to be "better." It was supposed to be for some cheap laughs and good times.
Jim Sterling made fun of the "PLS LIEK AND SUBSCRIBE" shit...... Only to find out that it does have an effect....... So yeah there are people trained like Pavlovian Hounds that will subscribe when asked to...... Kinda sad but there's the truth.
I make original full length movies. I don't put them in festivals or sell DVDs at conventions. I make them just for youtube. There are SOME real creators still here.
Here in 2019 babybus is the stuff kids watch The most lazy thing They rip-off nursery rhymes and add lyrics about not touching a hot pot then stretch it to more than 10 minutes
There is also toy channels cookieswirlc, tictaktoys, mandapandatoycollector, etc. Buy toys Play with them Stretch to 10 minutes Watch as the kids sub and you get money and views
Your music taste is some of the best in any youtube video. Elo, elp, i think ive heard you play some yes at some point like god damn are we the same person?
What i hate the most about modern youtube layout/search is how you can't easily search old videos on it. Want to explore old videos uploaded before 2010? You better know the names of the videos! Because otherwise they will all be buried under hundreds of newer, more viewed videos, and youtube has already disabled the feature for searching old videos.
And then once a blue moon a video with 6-10 years ends up on the recommendations for everyone and there's a bunch of comments saying "youtube what the fuck?"
James Armstrong 1. Why are you saying this? 2. It's not a fictional term, there are real people who call themselves "Social Justice Warriors". 3. Your Roblox profile picture won't do your arguments any good.
The concept of "Advertising" is destory creativity as we know it.
If it weren't for money on the line, no one would care about doing it a certain way, and everyone would go crazy with finding something they like. And in this case, going crazy is a good thing.
My contempt for CS:GO leads me to automatically have a negative bias towards YT channels centered around and focused on the game. But I've watched some of his videos, I still don't like them.
Sheriff Wwweeeelll.. he is kind of succesfull, But if we are talking about people who need MORE attention, SOLVIET WOMBLE!!! He's got 2 mil, yes. BUT HIS CONTENT ARE FUCKING AMAZING! His editing is simple but executed perfectly. He basically just use subtitles, but the way he uses it is amazing
yeah.. me too, although my YouTube account was made in 2011 i still watched videos back then..bollywood songs, gummy bear, some stuff about hippo and dog and even sonamylovelydoveykissxkiss+18 (cus i was such a sonicfanfag back then.. my fucking god) not to mention the FREEHABBOCREDITS2008NOSCAM(WORKING) , shit brings a tear to my eye
2008/2009 was such a great time on the internet. The creativity and lack of normies of the old net clashed with the new cheap broadband speeds available across the world.
The other thing about youtube is the animation channels, they try to popularize youtubers making great animations (the recent ones such as Jaiden, Odd1onesout and Timtom) but they ruin the community of these channels because the cancerous community of 10 year old kids from YouTube notice them witch is equal to terrible comments, then the bots join in, trying to scam people and its downhill from there.
I guess the way is to go to other websites if you wanna see stuff, per example i m watching animations on newgroundd rn, it's an good chance to see talented ppl
@Doom58 Yeah that sucks, sadly newgrounds is a far cry from what it was in the 2000's, so i m provably among what feels like 10.000 ppl watching stuff there. (tho i m not confirming they have 10.000 ppl there, i m just saying that it feels like there is like 10.000 ppl there) It feels like (controversial opinion maybe) the animation community post Newgrounds either grew out of it and went to watch other stuff, even creating other genres inside of the animation scene or kept watching the same ppl on YouTube, for me it's really hard to see another animator becoming popular again. (unless you count story time, where i m just not really interested into story time personally)
Jerma is one of my favorite channels due to the fact that I love his streams, but don't have time for them, so he conveniently packages them up in 15 minute bundles that I can't stop watching and loose entire days watching.
I'll start off by saying that I agree with a lot of points in this video, but I don't like how you paint such a black and white picture of everything. I either have to agree with everything you say or I'm just a dumb sheep whose part of the problem. However, Emplemon, you are dead wrong here. This is because of me actually. You see, I happen to believe that there is an inbetween. Yes, there's the full on don't give a crap and just play by the YouTube algorithm people of Buzzfeed and Behind the Meme and there's also people like you who basically say to screw the system. However, you say that this is it, but I say it's just not. For example, I enjoy your videos, but I also enjoy occasionally watching a Watchmojo video. I do think YouTube has a lot of problems, but I like the recommended tab because, while it may not introduce me to new channels, it shows me the new videos of channels that I do like (like yours) so I don't have to look them up individually (and you might say why don't I just subscribe to them, well it's because, as of recently, I can't really trust YouTube to actually keep me subscribed). I hate the fact that all my favorite YouTube channels are getting demonetized, but I enjoy watching Rhett and Link's Buddy System. In short, why can't I enjoy both your content and Buddy System? Why can't I like using the recommended tab and still hate the YouTube algorithm for basically destroying any just-started channels chance to be noticed? Why can't I be a little bit of both?
YouTube will be deleting comments on family freindly videos like mine in a few months. And i dont want that to happen so i say. #enablecommentsonevrything
Poem aside, I remember fondly of the old youtube days, where back then you were able to downvote comments, and find people just being themselves and having fun. I remember when Smosh made the Pokemon video back in 2005, back when Smosh was just themselves and having fun... it was extremely rare to see VEVO and Celebrity crap, and back then it was actually cool to see that before it got too big of a thing, because otherwise the only thing we usually got close to seeing a VEVO music video was an edgy and crappy AMV with some angsty rock band song.
I have also been on youtube long enough to see the rise and fall of Abridged series, from Naruto, to Yu-Gi-Oh, to DBZ, to Inuyasha... all of the different Inuyasha abridged series... yeah, it was a bumpy road. The channels that still do them take between >1 month to >1 year to make them, because of the unfortunate YouTube Algorithm.
I continue to do my best to avoid clickbait, and only search the recommended bar when my subscriptions aren't making anything. I honestly like youtubers who value quality over quantity, because I know I'll be able to watch all their videos without getting bored. This is the only reason I've yet to Unsubscribe to the Almighty overlord of a yellow citrus fruit, because I legit enjoy all his content... and because I'm waiting until he makes frying dory before I unsub.
While yes, Fanboy and Chumchum was mediocre, maybe even bad, but that’s why it was great. Jokes were slightly funny, the characters were intentionally annoying, and it was some of the best time I experienced while watching TV.
Youtube suggestion: Comments cannot be posted unless 80% of the video has been watched.
This should decrease the average video time (to allow more people to post comments), but more importantly, you can't post a degrading comment after hearing the first sentence of a video.
well it gives yt money, why do you think the sub box was replaced with the “hip new cool LOGAN PAUL AND RICEGUM EPISODES” with a touch of some Mr Gear bullshit for eight year olds
well no I think youtube has .... their absolutely ridiculous automation mentality which is utterly broken yet their team wont even acknowledge it may have any problems - no its your fault! .... normies and lazy people will always find their way if you make it so they dominate.
If you use the term “normie” you’re just outing yourself as some holier than thou arsehole. To so certainly claim you’re so much more elevated just cause you think so is so absurd. What makes you not a “normie”? What is a “normie”. It’s like the whole hipster trend. “I’m better than you cause I watch and say things different to what might be considered the norm, duuuurrr”
''normie'' here means the mainstream public everyone starts catering to and dumbing down the content so it appeals to everyone because profit is really the only primary motive left behind. normies have destroyed this site, no matter how you want to call that demographic. I don't think im better, but I do think some people will almost watch anything and dumbing something down to maximize the target audience is not necessarily a good thing.
ReadMyLipsMum you guys spam shit to oblivion and make the meme stale the second it comes out of the womb! Also the point of this video (this goes for everyone) wasn't that normie's shouldn't use memes it's that behind the meme was doing a terrible job at what he was doing
ThEcRaZ3dGaM3R No really? Are you telling me anything that has wide appeal and makes money will be exploit for the most profitable markets Normies just by size. Hahaha remember Myspace and Social Media in general once just a high school mid school thing now everyone and their grandma is online. The internet though is just the last frontier of Media like New paper Radio or Tv.
Google’s only original success is the search engine. Android is just a smart phone, google drive isn’t different from OneDrive. They don’t make anything new
Seeing how YouTube is now getting rid of dislikes, this video aged like the finest wine, and will continue to as well
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Exactly
7 likesSo true
8 likes100%
4 likesHow about I just give people one, in case they need it?
2 likesNot just that adding fudging shorts.
8 likesIt's crazy how emp was also predicting that for years. You can see that in a couple of his videos
8 likesthis video is still really accurate🤯
0 likesarent opinions evil anyways
2 likes@Mr Bones like the dislike video
0 likesheckin' ooferino!
0 likes@Goofy blue I agree
0 likesSide note: Looking back at it, If I was making the rating system, I would have added a third option for people to express that they have a mixed reaction to something, and enable users to filter their searches by the percentage of each of the three ratings, or a combination of them.
1 like@Fries another change they could make is that you only get notifications of replys to your comment on a reply thread and not a notification of a reply to the comment that started the reply thread or a reply to other comments on the reply thread and that reply has nothing to do with your comment but Is below your comment on the reply thread but you still get a notification for that reply even though it is not a reply to your comment on the reply thread, any comments that start reply threads still get notifications for any replys and replys to comments that are part of the reply thread to those comments, sorry to repeat my self but this to me is a major problem what do you think of the change I suggested if you can understand what I mean
1 likeit was meant to aged ilke wine
0 likes“This video has aged well”
638 likesA few months later
“Man, this video has aged well”
More time later
“This video aged like wine”
More months later
“Aged like fine wine”
How many times can YouTube screw itself up for this to happen
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This comment has aged
23 likesnext year this video has aged well.
12 likes@fir lin indeed it has
13 likesStill true!
0 likesThis commet age so well it like the wine the gods drink
1 likeIt didn't age at all
1 like@Doom58 did tho the removal of dislikes?
1 likeProbably until a competitor shows up, WHICH IS NEVER
5 likesI seriously suspect that there could be a true new wild west at some point. If not this decade then the next.
0 likesikr
1 likeIt's all intentional once you find this out everything will make sense or at least make more sense
0 likesthis video aged like a 150 year old bottle of shipwrecked scotch
2 likes@Corban Finch I say too well. I now have the mindset of this emplemon on how I feel about YouTube success. Just seeing these clearly lazy people get so much views. I mean yea it also my fault. But at the same time I just build this frustration about those channels.
0 likesAnd we thought we had it bad back in 2017. Man...
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Hello verified man
0 likesjust keeps getting further down the downward spiral
0 likesSomehow he talks for 50 minutes without repeating himself and being ACTUALLY engaging for the entire period. Love the work!
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Parts 3 and 6 are the meat of the video in my opinion.
3 likesIf the algorithm never changed, people would be more likely to be recommended different videos at the very least.
@Fries YouTube could also get rid of search results tabs, like the for you tab and previously watched and explore other channels and people also watch. It could be changed so you could not subscribe to channels with no videos. An other change is channels that you have not subscribed to can not show up in your notifications inbox.
1 like@frag el I’d also add a tab on the main page for new videos by startup channels, in addition to bringing back public dislikes, I’d also add at least one more rating for people with mixed reactions, and allow people to sort videos based on the percentage of each rating as they see fit, in addition to the changes he recommends in his copyright videos.
3 likesAs for what you suggest: Previously watched in particular is a pointless tab, but “for you” I don’t mind, not being able to get subscribers with no content is good, and I would add a setting where users can choose to toggle on and off whether channels they aren’t subscribed to appear in their inbox.
@Fries the biggest problem is shadowbanning comments 🙄
0 likes@rl enter I would also recommend not doing that either.
0 likesOut of curiosity, if I’m not notified of it, does that mean the comment was shadowbanned?
@Fries I do not know, it was like that a long time ago where the comment would still got noticed
0 likes@Frieswhen you like a video it could say you liked this video like it once did
0 likes@rl enter I could see that being the representative of a like
0 likesEditing + Proper Scripting with a hint of adlib is a powerful communicator in a video.
0 likeswhen you’re passionate enough you can do it
0 likesstill has not aged
0 likes@Fries another change that could be made is that only channel owners can report comments on their channels and not other users
1 like@rl enter Didn't know people take advantage of that, but I see how they could.
0 likes@Fries another change they could make is that you only get notifications of replys to your reply on a reply thread and not a notification of a reply to the comment that started the reply thread or a notification of a reply to other replys on the reply thread and that reply Is below your reply on the reply thread but you still get a notification for that reply even though it is not a reply to your reply on the reply thread, any comments that start reply threads still get notifications for any replys and replys to replys that are part of the reply thread to those comments
0 likes“It’s just bad, repetitive, and uninspired”, that quote could also be used by him again if he discusses Illumination Entertainment
0 likesneeds a part two
1 like@rl enter Yes 👏
0 likes@Fries another change that could be made is once a comment is given a thumbs up the the thumbs up can not be removed
0 likes@Fries they could also change how videos are sorted like they also could be sorted by oldest as well as newest and popular
0 likes@Fries so what do you think of my ideas to change how the thumbs up and the way reply notifications work, the way reply notifications work to me seems like a massive problem that is a bit hard to explain but if this change was made maybe it could cut down on bots or very pointless troll comments🤔
0 likesIt's weird going back to Emp's old rants like this vs watching his modern videos. It's like watching two completely different people; his perspective and style have slightly changed, yet the same beats are still there. He was much more chaotic and aggressive back then, while he is calm and thoughtful today. His approach has matured immensely and I commend him for that.
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Not only that, but apart from using a variety of copyrighted assets to illustrate his points as he says them, his videos more recently feel more like documentaries and less like YTP to me.
13 likesAlso, apart from when he has someone say “Downward Spiral”, I don’t see him do too many audio distortions anymore. Or is that just me?
@Fries I’ve noticed the lack(?) of distortions recently, too, but honestly I’m sort of glad that they’re gone. Emp’s editing has developed and refined a great deal and the spike in volume when audio would get distorted got sort of grating after while.
5 likes@Michael Tegio I’m not complaining about the lack of audio distortions, just noting that I don’t hear too many of them anymore in Emp’s work. If anything I prefer the near absence of them because they distract from the video at times I feel.
3 likesI had no idea what YTP was until I came across his channel and he mentioned that he used to do it to be honest, but from the typical description of it, his videos from 2016 and 2017 feel more like commentary rants with editing like a YTP, and his videos from 2018 and in particular 2019 and onward feel more like documentaries with some copyrighted content that (as I said earlier) is used to illustrate his points, and is altered for claim purposes (ergo: to make sure the video passes the copyright ID bot undetected).
If he never brought it up, I probably wouldn’t be able to tell he ever did the YTP format at all based on his documentary videos.
@Fries But that's what I find interesting, Emp may have left YTP, but YTP didn't leave him. While Emp doesn't make YTP content anymore, you can almost feel how YTP has shaped his editing style. It's that same evolution I mentioned in my comment before. He may no longer use audio distortion, but he still has that signature EmpLemon feel to his videos.
2 likes@NoopSoop I absolutely see how that editing influence is still present, and I’m all for it!
1 likeTbf I love his agressive YTP style. Really got his point across.
1 likeYoutube has officially disabled the dislikes. Meaning this video is as relevant as ever.
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Use the add on to bring it back
3 likesSupport alternate sites, it's one of the few ways I think that can make youtube be better again is by giving them competition not neccesary replacing them but just by having competition, but honestly that would be pretty hard considering this isn't even a free market just a cronyist shithole
This aged perfectly.
98 likesEvery point EMP made in this video rings true to this day, and even worse, the issues he mentioned that were plaguing YouTube in 2017 have been magnified. Some issues that YouTube has now are somewhat out of their control, but a majority of their problems are self imposed, and usually stem from changes made to protect large corporations, not the creators that made this site great. For example, the removal of dislikes.
The downward spiral continues in perpetuity with no end in sight.
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The stuff that is algorithm related, and the removal of public dislikes are on the site as much as anything.
2 likesI have a special relationship with this video. Every time YouTube makes incompetent decisions, shows extreme favoritism to corporations, gets into a massive controversy they could’ve avoided, lies to everyone, makes a random change to their website, their double standards Etc. when something like this happens I always come back to this video. So guess what’s happening now? YouTube is financial sandbagging short videos for no reason (meme channels and short animations channels.) they didn’t tell the community this change was happening and continue to be extremely vague. Channels that posted shorter videos noticed there earnings from their videos drop around the same time for seemingly no reason. Team YouTube’s response to this just infuriated me. It seems like they’re trying to pretend it doesn’t exist and just say go the creator support team. So they basically just trying to avoid the people asking them for help. Watch arcade assassin’s video and TheFakeSillyG’s video because they explain it better than me.
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That fiasco thing was actually a fucking mistake
4 likesGoogles a fucking huge ass company, you’d expect them to be professional, but nah they accidentally sandbag meme channels
@sTeV. _ Yeah...accidentally...
1 likeNot to defend YouTube’s monetization practices, (and without looking into it beyond reading your comment), my best guess as to why YouTube chose to demonitize shorter uploads is to encourage content creators to run their channels in the format of a content farm (essentially make their videos just over, if not close to ten minutes, in addition to other advertiser friendly restrictions, and the like).
1 likeAgreed, but this time the corporate-favouring change in question is the removal of dislikes
0 likesthis aged like a fine wine
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July 2021. Can confirm that this is in fact still one of my favorite YouTube videos of all time
84 likesBe my dad
8 likesWait, this video wasn't posted today? J/ I've watched this like 20 times already
19 likesWait how
0 likes@Kerchow its still relevant today
6 likesEven more now
4 likes2021 and it's already so fucking delicious, can't wait to rewatch it five years later and have it be even better
7 likesYes
2 likesYes
2 likesYes
2 likesWe got shorts the used bought locomotive that derailed 3 other trains compilations were enough but with this it ENOUGH changing comments on mobile was a nuke
0 likes@Skid.mp4is that also because the comments are sorted by only newest and most liked and not also oldest and most replys and the replys to comments are not next to the comments🧐
0 likes@fir lin i think if that were the case, new people would rarely comment cause of how long others would have to scroll down
0 likes@fir lin its how people are, unfortunately
0 likesI'm really disgusted how youtube's desing and functions degraded over time...
0 likesAgree but I still love the video
0 likesYup
0 likesWhat I would do to fix YouTube structurally:
2 likes1. Go back to the original algorithm, and add a section for start up channels that have gained significantly.
2. Stop censoring videos.
3. Get advertisers who care about content of videos and those that don't so that videos that are too edgy to be advertiser friendly can still get funded.
4. Bring back the star scale in increments of .1 stars, and track the quantity of each rating so that users can sort videos by ratings individually or by sections of ratings.
5. Add back the feature for allowing users to see a feed of videos rated highly by channels they subscribe to.
6. Revise the copyright system so that copyright claimants receive a share of revenue proportional to the percent of the video that actually contains their copyrighted content, and have an independent third party manually review all claims and counter claims.
7. Allow YouTubers the option of paying an annual licensing fee split between the big three music labels to use any music track they want without any music copyright claims and streamline communications with rights holders so that licensing fees can be more easily negotiated between uploaders and claimants.
What do you think?
@Fries An other problem is youtube ghosting comments.
0 likes@fir lin By “ghosting” comments do you mean removing them?
0 likesJust curious.
@Fries making the comments only visible to the person that made the comments and invisible to others.
0 likes@fir lin That is not a good idea.
0 likesGoes along with censoring videos.
What do you think of the other ideas I typed?
@Fries they would make the site much better and more like the classic old youtube.
1 like@fir lin One last thing, I don’t mean to come across as a self-promoter, but I compiled a video of the 100 oldest YouTube videos we have (or at least 100 of them).
0 likesIt can be found here if you are curious: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=u3V2jYHpE3g&t=914s
In particular, after about the first third of the video, you’ll find some old videos that are very mid 2000’s that you might not know existed.
@fir lin And one more point to add to number four on my list: I would also add a section to the about page allowing users to explain their review scale, and publish their video reviews as they see fit, and allow the community to review the reviewers so that the site can have an aggregate opinion of who the best video critics are for each subject, and their suggestions.
0 likes@Fries there was once video responses that where like this, where some one would make a video and put it in the comments to explain a comment more or there rating for a video, links in comments are like this as well but comments with links I think might get deleted or ghosted more often.
0 likes@fir lin Did not know that. Sounds unfortunate.
0 likes@Noah Tindell this is probably one of my favorite of all time
0 likesEven if this video DIDNT age amazingly. This video is still hilarious.
1 likeDon't really see it. Maybe the algorith has shielded me from most of the shit he is talking (or rather, screaming) about, but I can't relate to the last third of the video. I mean, I see all of this in some quantity, but not nearly as much as to justify this level of butthurt. The "subscribe" rant is especially stupid - these reminders take 5 second at most and are skipped with a click, what's so triggering about them I don't understand.
1 like@HH HH it still is annoying and basically copy and pasted for some from video to video if people like their content they Will make a account to subscribe or just subscribe and they don't need to be told to do so
0 likes@ouch potato Annoying, yes. Not nearly to this extent.
0 likes@HH HH something gets to some people to a extreme extent even if it seems like something that isn't that annoying
0 likesit's legit one of emp's worst videos. it got worse over time.
0 likesWell except the let's Plays part YouTube decided to kill those to for the most part.
0 likes5 years was the time
0 likesAnd it still holds up as of late with the removal of dislikes
1 likeHow did they kill let’s plays?
0 likes@Fries It's Allot of factors many of them YouTube others just the stagnation of the genre, but YouTube definitely had a large role in their death. Some of the major factors killing them where subscribers don't get notifications which is important if you have a series of videos, algorithm changes that favored watched percent vs duration which means the longer format of many let's plays was less optimal, and YouTubes algorithmic manipulation of the homepage/trending to artificially lower gaming videos as they were to popular in YouTubes opinion who at the time was attempting to cater traditional media/become tv around 2015-2016.
1 like@Austin Blackburn The biggest issue with YouTube generally in my opinion is it’s algorithm.
1 likeThe old one was better, and if I was running the site, I would split the recommended tab into three sections (apart from the user’s other interests):
One for what the algorithms suggests, one for videos uploaded by media corporations that partner with YouTube, and one for videos recently uploaded by new channels (so that way, both big channels that partner with the site, and people starting out can get their videos discovered).
YouTube itself is mostly to blame for the biggest issues.
One thing that this site is still useful for in my opinion though:
Due to the way that major media companies have been going about releasing old content, and how that has been poorly received by some, It has unintentionally led many people (who Enp would classify as bootleggers in his copyright metagame) to upload older content that they have, and YouTube has unintentionally become a great resource for older media (in particular media with no material commercial viability).
@Myles M Walker Jr there was dislikes on comments removed as well, not sure they where much use though
2 likesyou haven't seen noting yet
0 likesNext let’s make the trending tab default that will totally make everyone happy
0 likes@Rock Id I agree
0 likesI would agree that being told to subscribe is annoying to an extent.
0 likesThough one thing I would argue: The reason why channels choose to do it probably isn’t because they think their audience is dumb or that they need to be told to do so but rather because they say it because they’ve always said it and it became routine for them to do so.
Or in the case of newer channels, because they saw someone else do it.
@Voidroamer how
0 likesExcept for the btm parts
0 likes@Noah Tindell it is still good
0 likes@Skid.mp4 another change youtube could make is that you only get notifications of replys to your comment on a reply thread and not a notification of a reply to the comment that started the reply thread or a notification of a reply to other comments on the reply thread and that reply has nothing to do with your comment but Is below your comment on the reply thread but you still get a notification for that reply that has nothing to do with your comment, any comments that start reply threads still get notifications for any replys and replys to comments that are part of the reply thread to those comments, this is an annoying problem that would be great if they got rid of it
0 likes"They keep finding new ways to celebrate mediocrity, but when someone does something genuinely exceptional..."
143 likes- Mr Incredible
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@ayy lmao When Bob gets back from the fire, and sneaks into the house.
8 likesI agree
0 likesYeah
0 likesOK uncanny
0 likesI’m also thinking of a certain quote from Incredibles 2 that can summarize how EmpLemon is thinking in this video
0 likesI think the most surprising moment I had with Youtube was when I went on the site without being logged into my account and seeing the unfiltered dribble Youtube recommends to people with no personal tailoring. Somewhere along the way I forgot that Youtube became tailored to my likes so I viewed what I saw as what Youtube was but I've realized what I see is a fractional slice of a pie filled with mostly hot rancid trash. It's insane to me that outside of my little bubble of Youtube the vast majority of this site is filled with tea spilling, list making, click bait reaction video hot donkey piss that seems like it's being cranked out by a short circuiting AI trying to figure out how to operate like a functional human.
91 likesWho is this content made for and how is it possible it all has millions of views, there's no possible way there is that many hollow skulled mud worms out there willing to consume that kind of content. The best possible answer I have come up with is new age parents deciding to use Youtube as a baby sitter and letting little Timmy shit for brains autoplay a constant stream of unfettered garbage that lets the algorithm boost these awful channels view count to unprecedented levels.
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The most likely reason that content has so many views is because the channel behind it probably uploaded a lot, and it’s videos generated enough watch time for the video to be recommended to people visiting the site.
6 likesIt seems these garbage default videos are seeping their way into the recommended content now too, I'm finding that so much of what I see on this site feels homogenised and mindless regardless of my preferences.
3 likesWe've been trained like puppies to take in a certain amount of content. Especially the children on Youtube.
106 likesEverything is 10 minutes. Every Youtube video is 10 minutes. Radio plays 3 songs, and then 15 minutes of ads. Tv plays 8-10 minutes before commercial breaks. Everywhere you go, you're forced to take in bite sized amounts of content, so longer Youtube videos end up with low watchtime, because it's in our brains to click away after 10 minutes to find something else.
All so Youtube can farm more money off their ad breaks, 3--8 in every video. Remember your ad block, kids.
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10 MINUTESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
5 likes5 hour long YouTube video essays: bruh
2 likes27:07 is one of the greatest rants I've ever seen. It's so true, I can count on one hand the number of youtubers I know who dont ask for you to subscribe to them at the end of every video.
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It's because it works, several people I'm subbed to confirmed massive spikes in sub counts from the video they started asking onwards. It's just psychological manipulation shrugs
21 likesActually no, it doesn't.
29 likesSee, they're basically connecting the wrong dots. They do this shit, sometimes for YEARS, and then think "Oh, I am seeing a spike in activity, it MUST be because I'm begging for subscribers" when in actuality there is no observable statistic that can show that's why people are subscribing. And in that same vein, they also have NO means of seeing how many people DON'T subscribe, unsubscribe, or blacklist their channel because they are begging for subscriptions. They have no means of telling that it works. None.
What you CAN find are people TELLING them that it works, but these usually come from manipulative channels peddling bad advice to Youtube upstarts. And what's more, there is such a thing as "Empty subscribers". Ever subscribed to a channel thinking you'll watch more of their content but DON'T? That's an empty subscriber. You aren't actually contributing to the channel in any meaningful way, especially if you're smart and use adblock.
So what does asking for subscribers ACTUALLY do? Well, it creates a pool of uninteractive excess subscribers not actually helping your channel or producing growth/revenue and distances people that might otherwise have subscribed had it not been for your desperacy.
Ever notice how people that defend this practice sound like they're trying to justify a pyramid scheme? Yeah, there's a fucking reason for that...
@Crucillus Thorn I just mean that of the two people I've heard talk about this (that I recall, and my memory sucks so make of that what you will) both pointed to graphs that show literaly spikes the day of the change. Not massive, but clear. Admittedly, they might be coincidental, or even reversed, perhaps they suddenly got featured and want to capitalise on it by finally starting to ask for it. I don't know, it just seems that way to my personal tiny microcosm. I only sub to channels I like, but am totally guilty of not going back and unsubbing from ones I no longer think about, in part, I assume, because I no longer think about them. Perhaps there should be an annual cull? Youtube emails you if you've not watched any video from a channel in a year asking if you want to unsub? Or even automatic unsub but notify you if you want to stay subbed? But then, the numbers would go down, and they've made it abundatly clear they do not want numbers to go down.
5 likesTL:DR You're right, my opinion isn't backed.
I'm more likely to unsub from a channel that repeatedly begs its viewers for likes and subs. If you're desperate enough to beg the people that actively give you attention to give you MORE attention, you weren't worth it in the first place
10 likes@Crucillus Thorn I’m going to be inclined to believe people who are actually successful on YouTube than random commenter #93 on this one.
2 likesI seriously doubt Mr. Beast or Dream would be wasting video time on asking people to subscribe if it did nothing. The degree that those two have optimized their videos to play to everything the algorithm likes is ridiculous.
Not to endorse the practice of reminding people to like and subscribe the video on a routine basis, but I think the reason why so many people do that now is because it became tradition or routine for them, and perhaps because when they joined YouTube, they saw other channels they like do it.
2 likesContrary to what Lemon inferred, I wouldn’t argue that these YouTubers think their audiences are stupid, but I would say that they probably do it routinely because they’ve always done it, and perhaps they think the video feels incomplete without ending with that reminder.
You might not agree with the practice, and if I uploaded regularly, I wouldn’t do it, but that’s my thoughts on the matter.
@Crucillus Thorn Also, I think the subscriber total is the number of people your channel has made an impression on overtime as opposed to how many currently engage with it.
0 likesExactly
0 likesHell, now they ask before you even watch the video. I’ll watch it and if I like it I’ll click like. Sometimes if I like it I’ll look for other videos from the same author. If I like their other content I’ll sub. If I don’t like it, we’ll I’m not one to dislike but I won’t be back. Some videos I watch is multiple attempts to get likes and dubs and really turns me off the channel altogether. I don’t need to be patronized. I’m not a child.
1 likeI love the irony of Youtube Poop, it's name implies to people that it must be the shit side of youtube, but it's actually some of the most creative and original content on youtube.
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I know right?
16 likesToo true...
6 likesAnd the content those same people watch tends to be pure shit.
1 likeI agree and all, but it's a remix of a load of already made media, so technically it can't be original.
3 likes@dovn they were talking about the production and editing style
7 likes@TheLetterL ᨆ Yes, I understand, I'm just thinking about it from another angle.
1 likeY'know the search for good content is like search for gold in a shitpit.
7 likesYou won't like where you gonna start diving in but when you find it, consider yourself very lucky.
the name of it is probably what makes it art, its a crass yet humble name. youtube poop is fucking great
3 likesI always said that youtube poop just has a marketing problem.... With this name, YP never will be accessible!
1 likeA shitpost in video format.
3 likesSort of funny that it is such an abstract art form. Things normally adored and praised by academic communities as well as artistic groups. But it struggles to be studied because the word "poop" is in the title.
1 likeEven funnier to me is PragerU Youtube poops are the funniest I have seen. A channel where they consistently attack abstract art and concepts (like those of their political leanings always have) created material for some of the best modern abstract art.
One of the better channels I’ve come across is Max0r, a guy who makes “incorrect summaries,” in essence they’re video game reviews done in a YTP style. His Project Wingman and Doom Eternal videos are... especially cursed. The first video in particular introduced me to the term “competitive genocide.”
0 likesYtp is ok. Not my favorite type of video, but certainly a very creative format.
0 likesExactly
0 likes@dovn we don't do that here
0 likesThis aged better then I’m sure most YouTube viewers would think
5 likesI still stick to the old slogan of "Broadcast Yourself", even tho my videos are probably crap and low effort, I enjoy making em. I'm just being myself, broadcasting myself. You are absolutely bloodylecious right. Youtube gone down the mexican drain, so you know its nothing but bad crap.
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An independent animator I see
4 likes@Steve Admin Do you have a favorite animated show or movie out of curiosity?
3 likessame bro
1 likeYoutube has suffered the same fate that the whole internet has. The internet was ruined when normies, huge corporations, and simpletons flooded in.
79 likesThe internet was a safe haven for people like me. Exactly to escape people like those.
Then every single one of them and their phones came in and stole the only place I felt like home. The culture, the unspoken rules, all the incredible creativity. All of it was stolen, bastardized, and commercialized. And made toxic and brainless as fuck, and now politicized to hell during the past 5 years.
And now I'm being kicked out by the very same people who i originally fled from to gaming and the internet. All this really fucking sucks.
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Unfortunately this seems to be a cycle that happens to literally every niche or nerd community unless some form of gatekeeping is enforced. It fucking sucks.
14 likesI’d argue YouTube has its uses. In particular it’s an underrated media archive.
5 likesBut if you are looking for a website that promotes creative projects like YouTube did in its first seven or eight years, then this isn’t it (not that creative videos and people aren’t on here, but unless you are aware of them, you probably won’t be recommended them).
we need to revive bulletin board systems
1 likegopher protocol >B-)
0 likesThe internet is gonna die one day
0 likesJust throwing this out there, but you do realize people on BBSs were saying the exact same thing 30 years ago, right?
0 likesIt's been nearly 4 years and every prediction that you made is spot on. In many ways, the platform has gotten even worse. It's honestly scary to think about, and it makes me sad knowing that things will only continue to get worse.
12 likesThe part that got me is how I even found this video. I got recommended your Highest Jump World Record Progression video likely from being subscribed to SummoningSalt, enjoyed that video and clicked on your channel to see what else you make. I didn't realize how much extra work that actually is until you mentioned it. It may be 2-3 extra clicks, but for many, that's more than enough to discourage them from looking further.
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try super eyepatchwolf
1 like@ouch potato Already have. Love that dude's content.
1 likeI mean: can we ignore all of EmpLemon’s amazing content for a second and just focus on his rock-solid music taste? Supertramp, Neil Cicierega, Pink Floyd, The Who, Led Zeppelin, Gorillaz and Death Grips? What an absolute man.
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including led zeppelin!
8 likes100% agree
3 likesIncluding Emerson, Lake and Palmer!
26 likesNot to mention the games he pulls music from 💕
17 likesGenesis?
13 likes@Swarley751 Spot on desc
3 likesHe's definitely into prog rock. He had Yes and Pink Floyd in the BTM video while having ELP and Genesis (nice touch Emp, Dancing With the Moonlit Knight is one of my favorite songs by my favorite band) in this one. He even has a version of Jethro Tull's Thick As A Brick in his video about the highest jump in human history. He has an amazing taste in music and his selection makes the videos even better.
25 likesEmpLemon > Lemon Demon
6 likesHe even had The Gates of Delirium in his Behind The Meme video, as well as Close To The Edge and Roundabout in one of his other videos (a person after my own heart)
6 likesHe also had a Michael Jackson song (Billie Jean midi) in his Hungrybox video.
1 likeThe lack of acknowledgement of Edgar Winter among the artists in this video is disgraceful. >:(
4 likesagreed
1 likeELP, Genesis, Magma, dude's a fucking patician
2 likesDid you include the acapella channel?
2 likes@Richo Vee do you know how hard I had to argue with myself before I agreed with you
1 like@Richo Vee do you know how hard I had to argue with myself before I agreed with you
1 like@Coob I didn't mean ">" as in "greater" if that's what you got from my comment. I was referring to the use of "Lemon" in both Aaron Lemos' internet name and Neil Cicierega's music/arts identity. I do beileve Neil is better based on his creativity and contribution to memes and internet cultuire but I still greatly enjoy Emp's content (YTPs, shitposting and video essays) to a great extent.
2 likesProbably could've explained myself better with a longer message rather than using arrow keys to be mistaken for telling one thing is better than the other.
Absolute ALPHA MALE.
0 likes@Rad Dudeski gentle giant and van der graaf generator
0 likesWtf does absolute man mean
0 likesJames Humphrey. How you can watch this video, say all that, and not even mention ELP and Genesis. You mainstream music pleb
1 likeDon't forget so much of the GT Soundtrack
0 likesdoes anyone know what song is at 1:00
1 likeYou forgot Genesis.
0 likesWhat's the song at 37:38?
0 likes@Axel Andersson @Alexander Holm check the description
0 likesEmp is undoubtedly an adult male.
0 likes> No mention of Genesis or ELP
0 likes> Pleb
Dear god, the downward spiral of youtube never ends
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I can agree, my only question left is, has anyone done a bingo card of what youtube could do to ruin their own website yet?
2 likes@Andy Gonzalez they could remove likes or comments next
1 likeYou definitely had a right to be concerned 4 years ago. Over the past few years I’ve been noticing the stagnation in quality on the platform, and now that I’ve become a “proper” creator myself I can see just how little support there is for me. I’ve been demonetized for months, I never got notified, and I literally CANNOT get help from YouTube no matter how hard and how many times I’ve tried to contact them. This video still holds up perfectly and that’s honestly really fucking sad.
8 likesThe fact that this video still holds up almost 4 years after its release is kinda sad
62 likesNever did I think that one of my all-time favorite YTP creators of the 2010s, that got me through High School, would evolve to become a creator that talks about what really matters here. It was hard to take in the comparison of modern YouTube to TV, but here we are, dead in the waters of faded creativity. Keep doing what you're doing Emp, fuck the system.
5 likesLooking back at this two years later, it's terrifying how accurate he hit the mark. Most of what he said has already happened or come true. And the scariest part is he thought it would take longer.
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everything is happening faster indirectly due to other things like politics, a lot of yt’s downfall is the company going political
45 likes@LittleMissEevee god this website is so fucked
27 likes@Hoovers really is
4 likesBeen thinking about starting a channel specifically for bringing everything good back. And 0 care for the clout and money. Only a matter of time before I probably will. Just some random don't look over here.
4 likesNow community added subtitles, a feature that was an immense boon for people with hearing problems, is completely done due to abuse that they themselves could fix instead of removing the fucking feature entirely.
0 likesGuess what, it got worse.
0 likesIt is nearly 5 years and it seems youtube is becoming a shit storm quicker than we thought. I mean, It kinda always was but at least then it was tolerable. Now I think we are in the end times of it ever getting that way again and it will only be continually down-hill from here on out.
34 likes(Update: Dislikes were removed and youtube is gonna have NFT's very soon... We are truly in the darkest timeline)
Almost 4 years later, I watch this video again to compare and see how much has changed... and oh boy, it's fucking 10000x worse. If anyone reads all of this, kudos to you and thanks for paying attention to it...
21 likes"I don't understand why people try making ytps as they'll just get assblasted about how they'll never be as good as someone from 2011 who hasn't uploaded in half a fucking decade while videos with a single fucking edit get 10,000 times more views and praise."
It's not even ytps anymore. This is literally the current state of this deplorable site. It's sad to see what it is now and where it appears to be heading. Nobody seems to care about putting actual effort and work into videos outside of a very small group of people with 95% of them being content creators with under 1k subs. Most big names have editors that, if I'm going to be honest, really don't edit much of anything unless you consider jump cuts, random sound effects, zooming in on things, and the random funny image or Sony VEGAS text popping up on screen. Thumbnails now all look pretty much the same between one big channel to another with few exceptions. Content itself is bone-dry in terms of actual entertainment value. To top it all off, the ALGORITHM is still as shitty as it was 4 years ago, if not, somehow WORSE. It doesn't help that even on a clean account with no subscriptions to anyone, watching a small creator's videos doesn't put them into your recommendations. Instead, it just feeds a sea of content from bigger people who are similar to the small creator but have possibly done it with less effort and work put into it, but already have an install base and because this system only seems to recognize that, it floods the recommends with said content while the small creator goes relatively unnoticed UNLESS you go out of your way to find them. Go on a new account, find some small creator with under 1000 subs and view any of their content a few times. Scroll through the vids on the right while watching a few of their vids and pay attention to how many of their vids show up compared to other people. They'll probably only show up about 5 times if you're lucky, otherwise they'll mostly be wayyyy down at the bottom among other content from bigger people. Just because someone's bigger doesn't mean they're better. This system literally, as Emp explained, just fucks you over... unless you try to chase it through the most unappealing, disgusting, low effort, 0 work SHIT that steals the spotlight from people who truly deserve it.
The trending tab still shows the same fucking garbage content since 2017. The gaming section is absolute reeses feces on top of a diarrhea sundae as it's, as Emp explained, the same top dogs on youtube with their shitty almost identical thumbnails and clusterfucked stupid all caps titles that clickbait for views. ALTHOUGH, they did recently add a thing where it shows up and coming creators... except it seems to only grab people who have 10k+ subs that are growing rapidly... but 10k subs isn't really small, is it? No, because at the very least you get more than 50 views per video each month as opposed to people with maybe 5k, 2.5k, or only 1k subs. Sadly, it only shows ONE person at a time as far as I know whenever you check the trending page out at least, on the gaming section. It's a bit of a step in the right direction, but it's like putting a band-aid over a giant gaping wound with bones and flesh coming out of it. Might as well not even be there.
Content on the site itself has also somehow gotten even DRIER over these 4 years. 4 years ago, people were a bit more open about opinions and feelings. Now? If you even say a single thing that someone takes as out of line, your ass will get completely fucked from all sides and people will destroy what you've built up. Opinions on this site as if it was 2006 Youtube will get you maimed on a wall. Attempting to talk about controversial topics is apparently reserved to BIIIG people nowadays because they can do no harm by potentially insulting an entire minority or majority group of people... as if people don't do that behind the screen with their friends or even random strangers. And when they do get flack for talking about controversial things? They themselves get assblasted EVEN if it was something relatively harmless! Remember when people would curse all the time on videos, especially ones with gaming? I sure remember when people weren't afraid to curse like truck drivers and sailors because back then you didn't have to worry about it. Nowadays everyone has to talk like you're in fucking KINDERGARTEN even though I think MOST PEOPLE READING THIS CAN ACTUALLY UNDERSTAND ALL THE WORDS IN IT!
It's sad, and somehow 4 years later this video can be PERFECTLY applied to current youtube.
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Well the shitty algorithm has gotten SLIGHTLY better via YT shorts. Videos that were dormant now getting tons and thousands of attention but it doesn't help the fact that the shitty aspects are still there...
2 likesEven another creator made a similar video to Emp's one: https://youtu.be/a-7AlRTH-MY?list=LL&t=1012
Also get StoryFire, holy crap it's ten times better than this platform.
i like the astolfo
1 like@CheezyCheese Thanks!
0 likesThe biggest issue with YouTube is the algorithm in my opinion, closely followed by censorship (there are some variations of that, demobilization being one of them).
2 likesIf things were based off of view count, then those who are starting out might get more traction.
It’s not without its uses (most prominently as an archive of media, and some original content on this site I enjoy here and there), but if you want to create your own original content and get popular through that, then it’s unlikely to occur because you likely won’t get the watch time necessary to trend and be recommended to people who have no idea who you are (unless what you want to do fits one of the formats he described in the sixth part to begin with).
I’ve found YouTube useful for some things not goona lie, but I probably would have found it more useful in the earlier years.
Coming up on 5 years since this got released, I see that I just need to leave the website and find a new video hosting site and hope more people go there. However, this problem of not being seen is not exclusive to YT. It's repeated across the internet(not helped by Google) so even migrating websites won't dodge this dumpster fire
4 likesEver since I took emp’s advice of taking initiative to look for content and find greatness, my YouTube experience got so much better. I found videos that were thought-provoking, fun, original, and inspiring. To the point that I would like to do a channel myself in the future.
12 likesAnyone reading this, take emp’s advice. Don’t just watch shit because it’s there, watch something that’s worth your time.
It worked for me; I’m definitely sure it’ll work for you too.
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What channels do you recommend if any?
0 likes@Fries Im glad you asked! Here are some channels that I’ve come across since this comment. They *may or may not be up your alley*, but hey, that’s what makes YouTube worth it. Looking at original shit :D I’ll put the channel URL so it instantly takes you there and not waste time hunting it down. Feel free to NFT screenshot this comment so you can have it somewhere. I might also make edits, *might*.
1 like- R.C Waldun
(this is a channel that talks about very human topics and give his perspective on it. He's a university student from what I've watched in his videos, but his insight is so amazing, it's like he's a professor to life itself.
He recently, as of writing, he recently made a video about how learning is a boring process, and how it shouldn’t be like that.
He then gives his process on how to truly learn. And a personal experience with how learning that people who make fashion always wear lab coats lead him down a rabbit hole.)
# https://youtube.com/c/RCWaldun
- TheraminTrees
(This one’s a personal favorite.
This is a channel that talks that very serious topics like religion and abuse. He’s not hateful towards religious people, but he really is against religion as a concept and ideals. That’s not he’s only stick though. He makes videos on psychological issues we suffer today, and gives his potential solution to it.
They’re not bullet proof solutions, obviously, but we should always appreciate someone give a solution. Bonus points if it’s actually practical, but something is enough.
He talks about being stuck in your head all the time from a traumatic experience and how to deal with it, to talking about dealing with toxic people. If that’s up your alley, epic. If not, that’s epic too.)
# https://youtube.com/c/TheraminTrees
- Ethan Becker
(This is an art channel, and the host is a guy that’s loud and gives no fucks. It’s glorious seeing him in action.
This guy makes art tutorials, if art is your thing. What makes him unique is that he doesn’t just do tutorial videos for a super specific thing at this super specific moment. Like “how to draw a tree”.
No, this guy goes over his process of doing art, specifically animation, and encourages people to do that shit.
He recently did interview questions with his animation friends about what their art advice is. It was a really eye-opening thing seeing these people be human about their craft, and give legit advice to people doing art for the first time. Let alone animation.
Super cool guy!)
# https://youtube.com/c/EthanBecker70
- James Lee
(James Lee does some pretty fucking good animations. It's legit some of the most technically impressive shit I've seen on this platform in recent memory. It's a mix of live-action and hand-drawn stuff. I can't imagine the process to do it, but thank fuck they exist :D)
# https://youtube.com/c/JamesLee
@Mkilo97 Thank you for the suggestions and for your insightful reply.
1 likeThose four all look interesting, James Lee, and R.C. Waldun in particular.
Since you recommended some channels, I'll return the favor and share several channels I subscribe to myself (and I'll provide direct links to homepages as well):
Back Door: This channel is of a guy who uploads old NFL Films highlights, pieces, and sometimes combines clips to reconstruct sequences and occasionally entire older games. Most footage is from the 60's, 70's or 80's.
The guy who runs it is an excellent editor, and is good at merging sound with film when possible.
He uploads periodically, and upload lengths vary depending on the length of the music track showcased, the footage being shown, or the game or segment used.
Back Door can be found here: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCw6xtNoo1SR64ijxIHCCo5g
Biographics: This channel is a great biography channel that profiles a variety of subjects, from presidents and political figures to Hollywood actors and pop culture figures to leaders of social movements and others who made their respective marks on history. Eloquently presented roughly three times a week by Simon Whistler.
Their tagline is "History. One Life at a Time."
Most uploads on that channel are in the 15-25 minute range.
Biographics can be found here: https://www.youtube.com/c/Biographics/featured
City Beautiful: A channel about urban planning, and aspects of how cities are designed and maintained. This channel has covered a variety of cities and angles of the topic at hand. Ran by a college professor from San Luis Obispo.
City Beautiful uploads probably once every few weeks, and videos are 8-15 minutes typically.
City Beautiful can be found here: https://www.youtube.com/c/CityBeautiful/featured
Company Man: A channel that profiles the successes, failures, histories and occasionally controversies of the business sides of various companies. A variety of companies have been profiled, and one 10-15 minute video is uploaded every Wednesday around noon for the past three or four years at this point.
The guy who narrates this one is engaging and seems like a genuine guy. I also once personally suggested a topic to him and he made a video on said topic.
He also should be commended for focusing strictly on the business sides of the topics he covers and for refraining from simply using trendy and simple explanations for why businesses succeeded and why they failed. I recommend this channel if you are interested in business in particular.
Company Man can be found here: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCQMyhrt92_8XM0KgZH6VnRg/featured
Deep Look: This channel is one of the best executed channels on this website with major corporate backing in my opinion.
I say it has major corporate backing because unlike some of the others I will list who have sponsors, but appear to be mostly ran by a handful of people, Deep Look is a science video series that is produced by PBS Digital Studios. It talks about small animals, insects and other small phenomenon in nature.
In particular, the cinematography and the narration by Laura Klivans is excellent. I recommend this if you are curious about science.
Deep Look uploads periodically, and uploads are a few minutes in length typically.
Deep Look can be found here: https://www.youtube.com/user/KQEDDeepLook
Electronic Gems: One of the best music aggregates on YouTube in my opinion. This channel spotlights electronic music tracks that are composed by independent electronic musicians.
One I recommend in particular is Cascading Lights by Decisive Koala: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxNNKInIkAw
A few uploads occur there every month, and video length depends on the track, or if they are doing a compilation or mix.
Electronic Gems can be found here: https://www.youtube.com/c/ElectronicGems/featured
Chuck D's All New Classic TV Clubhouse: This channel unlike the others does not upload original content, but it is home to quite a few older commercials, interstitials, and network promos, idents and scheduling bumpers. Clips uploaded are typically from the 70's to the mid 2000's, and several videos that are around 30-60 seconds long are uploaded every Saturday night.
This channel can be found here: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UChoYlGf7k9NACJZtvtmgtSA
SoftDrinkTV: This guy contrary to what his channel name might say, is a video game reviewer, most of his reviews are of sports video games. Both current and older.
This reviewer has a great narrative voice, good background music tastes, and has made uploads of varying lengths.
Uploads are every couple weeks or so, and usually over 10 minutes, though sometimes longer.
SoftDrinkTV can be found here: https://www.youtube.com/user/noahj499
Rusty Buckets: This guy is an NBA commentator that has a great understanding of the sport, and looks at the game from interesting angles in my opinion. In particular, his deep dive videos are some of my favorite videos on the site on any topic. I can honestly say three things in particular:
1. This channel is one of the best channels that regularly recommends that people to subscribe to it in my book.
2. I developed a casual appreciation of basketball from this channel as much as anything else.
And 3. There are several keyboard instrumentals that I did not discover until I came across Rusty Buckets.
Even if you aren't a fan of the sport, one video from this channel that deserves a look is the GOATmentary from 2019, which ends with one of my favorite statements in a YouTube video by anyone: https://youtu.be/5naB2i9UcQ4
Rusty Buckets can be found here: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCenK8SmNW_vOKmDUTjbjamw/featured
Telepurte: This channel is an animator who has a minimalist style with an interesting aesthetic to it. HIs animations range from humorous and zany to sensual and in at least one instance, sad and dramatic.
When this channel uploads, it does so daily, and most animations are no longer than 15-20 seconds.
Telepurte can be found here: https://www.youtube.com/user/stickies1
Simon's Cat: Simon's Cat is a channel about a man name Simon and his cat. The cat goes through some short, but humorous animated adventures.
It uploads once every few months and can be found here: https://www.youtube.com/c/SimonsCat/featured
And before I go, I also have to plug the YouTube channels of a few colleagues of mine from college:
My colleague Zach is a good long distance runner who has uploaded clips of himself running: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCmnz5OW7aMf5KjiOciDsEpg/videos
My colleague Jackson and a couple of his colleagues started a golf channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCiK2sZKohfjeFxBdOsgJBww/featured
And my old colleague Morgan uploaded some music she recorded (jazz in particular): https://www.youtube.com/user/MrMorgangayle8
Morgan does not upload anymore, but the other two do.
Obviously not every video will necessarily appeal to everyone, but I hope you at least find these suggestions interesting.
Hope you have a great night!
Isn’t it quite fitting that they took away the “Broadcast Yourself”
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And Google took away "Don't be Evil".
228 likesThe only thing left to do is ban all social media its all garbage anyway
70 likesDoom58 then why are you here now lol
36 likesIt's agitating if you ask me.
7 likesAnd Viacom took the fairy God parents.
4 likes@Sharkronical where ya gonna go
7 likesShout out to The Minute Hour!! Its run by an independent guy who deserves more attention. (It looks like the algorithm is bringing people here. Just doing my part)
6 likesThey took away “Broadcast Yourself” and replaced it with “Broadcast Television”.
15 likes@BeanTaz N O S T A L G I A
1 like@Sharkronical because I want to discuss this huge fucking problem
3 likes@Sharkronical this is not a social media
0 likesYouTube ; Let Us Broadcast To You
4 likestm
0 likesThey took the "yourself" out of broadcast yourself
1 likei actually am genuine and tbh i might be one of le few left dat do that kinda shit even tho i just make roblox vids for fun lul
1 likeno, they changed it to
0 likes"Broadcast a Filtered and Shallow Version of Yourself"
they just felt that it was the right thing to do right
@Sharkronical there's no where else to go unfortunately
3 likes@Helios honestly....for some reason YouTube has a more comforting feeling prolly cuz its anyomous
0 likes@Doom58 I know what ending you'd choose in Deus Ex lmao
1 like@Doom58 a change youtube could make could make for the better is that you only get notifications of replys to your comment on a reply thread and not a notification of a reply to the comment that started the reply thread or a notification of a reply to other comments on the reply thread and that reply Is below your comment on the reply thread so you still get a notification for that reply even though it is not a reply to your comment on the reply thread, any comments that start reply threads still get notifications for any replys and replys to comments that are part of the reply thread to those comments, this is to me is also a very annoying problem I wish they could fix💯
0 likesIts ok my man. Im an adult now too. Saw it changing over the years too and watched my favorite content creators complain about being fucked over by copyright and algorithms. I have 100’s of channels Im subbed to and I often click away to videos that are mediocre. Youtube is a gross corporate slime now. They give no fucks. They will die just like Facebook
4 likesThis just aging even better and better as the years go on
30 likes5 years since this was posted, this video was so important to me in my development as a channel, it essentially is my youtube bible or what NOT to do, i thank you for teaching everyone the truth about youtube, and bringing attention to the problem when everyone else was still blind to it. even though there are still problems, especially with political bias. this site is better off because people like you stood up to youtube mismanagement. and that courage is being passed on to the real world as well, so once again I thank you always for what you told me and everyone who subscribed too you.
4 likesthis rant is on a godly level and my respect for this content creator has quadroupled more than the butt ton i already have for this man
3 likesMan, this video has aged like fine wine and that's not a good thing.
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This video still needs more views.
1 likeI love how this aged very good.
10 likeswhen u become a animation channel and rewatch this video and some parts hit too hard.
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it does just hit hard, aint it
0 likesYeah. Being an animation channel = animating to the void. Fun, but...you know...
0 likesThat end sequence is the reason I wanna make YouTube videos. It's so empowering and inspirational. Love you Emp.
3 likesThe new CEO said she wanted to make YouTube into television. She succeeded. Now this place is cancer on top of cancer with a dollop of rectal cancer on top.
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Hi
13 likesYep, I listened about that. She wanted to ban everything that was not kid friendly and said that her aim was to be more like tv.
7 likesyou say that your fine but your not really fine
4 likesNot into but more than TV. But hey they succeed right? Worse than TV. XD
2 likesI agree💯 this place is toxic garbage
1 likeAnd now, Susan Wabblejack removed the dislikes. And introduced NFTs into the platform
1 likeYouTube is a joke, just like social media
this has gotten so much worse since this video. I keep finding these really interesting channels that are addictive, and I KNOW audiences are finding one video, and then going on binges. these channels are different and artistic. They last for a little bit but inevitably decline. I'm starting to really think youtube promotes bland corporate personalities now.
12 likesaround 2016 was prime youtube imo. filthy frank, idubbbz at his peak, it looked like things were just getting better and better but then everything started going to shit
6 likes4 years later and this video is still spot on now in 2022.
5 likesStill love to see that you still making long and interesting content.
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This August will be five years
1 likeWe're about to hit the 4-year mark of this video, and this and many other times that Emp was critical of youtube have become the new reality. With the removal of dislikes, and being able to say and do barely anything due to demonization (which has only gotten worse and worse causing so much more stale and uncreative content Not to say that isn't some diamonds in this pile of shit) it's deteriorating at an alarming pace.
12 likesIt sucks that we got this informal of a video, and in my own opinion one of the best-crafted videos on the site at the moment and in its history, and we couldn't stop the inevitable, and no one at YT got the memo. It's dark to think but it's going to only get worse and worse but YT is going to get bigger and bigger. The video was amazing as I said before but I can't help but feel it was all for nearly nothing.
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I can only hope that a competitor for YouTube emerges and survives
2 likesgetting comments ghosted is a pain too
0 likesits like the old youtube was a forest, and the new youtube is a big corporate city
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Magical forest**
90 likesAnd now it’s so big that trump made an hotel here for some reason, homeless people are totally ignored, it smells like smog everyday and you can’t walk outside without a mask, because you life in a city populated by 5 million citizens, and just have two lines of tramway, and you’re constantly blocked on a traffic jam on a 50 lines highway, just to work at a depressing corporate business that uses Mexicans slaves as employees but you can’t do shit about it because it’s the only way you can eat. The ones who are supposed to fix things don’t do shit about those problem with horrible consequences in the long term, and just starts throwing money at weird stuff and putting laws and rules that no ones understands. You are stuck here forever, even tho there is tons of better places, because you live here, you can’t afford to move and you can’t get a new job. And folks move in your city anyway thinking that they will live their best moments lives only to end up like you.
90 likesThat’s YouTube now.
YOUTUBE IS MOTHER 3
17 likes@Mercury don't be rude,how about others just shut your mouth up when you try to express something,wouldn't that be rude to you?
1 likeThats a good comment 👍
2 likesDon't it always seem to go, that you don't know what you've got 'til it's gone? They paved paradise, and put up a parking lot.
4 likesSure....
1 likeI compare old Yt to the Wild West
7 likes@♡StrawberrySprinkles♡
2 likes-Joined 3 months ago
yeah sounds about right, welcome
@King Charlemagne yeah and the new YouTube is a communist dystopia
4 likes@Doom58 Maybe it’ll be destroyed like City 17
3 likesIt still can be a forest. In the way that the big trees get all the light while the growing ones and the grass can't get any because of the shade of the big ones
2 likes@Doom58 If that were the case content creators would actually be respected.
1 like@Dusty Dude not going to a city then
1 like@PETRIXXX yee-haw
0 likes@Dusty Dude capitalism
1 likecorporations exist due to government intervention, this is not a problem in a free market which we never had in human history
0 likesI think that the old youtube was like an old medieval town, since this video came out we are starting to get out of the corporate cities mess
0 likes@maxnul Lol no, not everything is black and white
0 likesYes
0 likes@Dusty Dude shangai
0 likesAnd no one got the message of the video, it"s the shadow of the valley of death all over again.
0 likesAt least we still have the dreamsmp.
0 likesOld YouTube was the wild west, new YouTube is San Francisco
0 likes@SteelingCable please listen, emplemon says there"s still good xontent out there on youtube and that it"s just a matter of finding it, so go out there and search for greatness!
2 likes@Mercury listen, i"m begging you. There"s good content in this site. Swaggersouls, kryos, tommyinnit, wilbur soot, memeulous, willne, smii7y, WILDCAT, akindalewar, elvis the alien, inabber, jschlatt, slimecicle, slazo, fitz, quackity, there"s still quality on youtube.
1 likeAh yes shinra
0 likes@Based Enjoyer #FreePalestine PLEASE LISTEN!!
0 likesBurn it down, the corporate city.
0 likes@Derek PLEASE LISTEN TO ME!!!!!!
0 likes@Bingles Praise YOUTUBE IS KAREN
0 likesThis is still being upvoted? Its like a 12 year old wrote it
1 like@Doom58 what are you saying?
1 like@Connor Michael this comment doesn't make any sense
0 likes@Doom58 which comment? All i did was list good youtubers.
0 likesYouTube is a Podunk town where everything is all in one place
0 likes@JohnnyKlebitzRevenge FUCKING LISTEN!!!!!
0 likesDamn bro. Apt
0 likes@Dmitrii S. ??
0 likesThis is too accurate
0 likesInstead of forest. A nice little village
0 likesreminds me of CS Ghost, his video on Nintendo has a part where it shows the internet as a city, maybe with every website being a province or something similar, with google being the tallest skyscraper out of the bunch.
1 like@ForgettablePyromaniac
0 likesI saw a post today about YouTube becoming worse than TV and IMO that's simply not true at the moment.
Yes, the copyright system is pretty broken but they've been making improvements over the past few years, Tom Scott did a 40 minute piece on how content ID is actually a decent mechanism for a platform with so much content and definitely the best option available at the moment.
Yes, entertainment content is being forced to become family friendly and killing channels like Filthy Frank in the process, BUT this kind of thing was to be expected with a platform that is so relying on its advertisers and which deals with controversy after controversy.
Yes, the way some channels get treated in comparison to others is incredibly hypocritical and disrespectful (Nerd City has made many videos on different examples of this), but the platform is still fair to most entertainment creators plus youtubers in less controversial communities (which comprise most of the users on the platform)
Yes, ads can be annoying but comparing 5 seconds before being able to skip + a couple unskippables every once in a while to advertisements on television is ludicrous.
I've been using YouTube on a daily basis for more than 5 years, and got a job by learning a software through tutorial videos, all that knowledge and entertainment for free. Honesly, I think there's a very, very long way to go before we can even start comparing it with the discrace that is Television at the moment.
Its sad but True
0 likesSadly there aint a Johny silverhand to burn this Mediocre, crappy, shitty corporate hellhole like new YT. It sucks.
0 likesFeels more like a small corporate desert
1 like@Doom58 Comrade.
0 likesA big corporate city that had to destroy the forest to exist
0 likesracoon city.
0 likes@Bingles Praise yea
1 likeold youtube is like pre-timeskip tazmilly village and modern youtube is new pork city
Exactly
0 likesmother 3
0 likesOne thing I noticed about the downward spiral animation is that it starts out gritty and a little unfinished but original, only to begin to become simplified and hard to look at. Kinda like YouTube
7 likesI honestly think this is one of the best videos on the platform. You deserve more.
7 likesI come back to this video everytime YouTube makes a dumb ass decision that continues to screws us over
5 likesHoly shit. My friend. This aged like a fine wine. Love this channel. Never stop doing this shit.
3 likesThank you so much, EmpLemon. This video was a spiritual experience. You are my new favorite youtuber. Unsubscribed.
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8 likes@human being ohhh lol I'm new with this channel, its honestly really good
39 likeslike #69 xd
5 likesI am here to inform you that your joke, which is intended to make readers laugh, has just now somehow made me laugh
17 likesUnsubscribed
4 likesfunny moment
1 like@AnthonyBurgers1 its been 11 months, hope you like the spiral
0 likes@Not FLAZ now 3 years
0 likesAaaaaaaaand the dislike count is gone. How prophetic this video was.
26 likesReally miss the days when navigating YouTube felt like a giant sandbox rather than a rail shooter.
5 likesI've found a guy that I want to promote here, he's called Leadhead, and he's a phenomenal video essayist who writes about honestly whatever he wants, which reminds me of the original YouTube spirit that Emplemon talks about here.
8 likesAs a 14 year old as of last month, I have started to go watch older videos, and I agree that YouTube has gotten way worse over the years. I used to make [and probably will continue to make] the cringy 'shy young teen tries to be confident and popluar by doing gaming' type of content. I am only feeding into the bad content, and I am going to try and change that.
9 likesLove your content by the way, Hungrybox video was my favorite.
I didn't realize this was made 3 years ago I honestly thought it was made like a couple of months ago becuase this is still happening to this day.
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hard to tell honestly, the give away is he said he still makes ytps
78 likesWe need a newtube
20 likes4 years now
18 likes@Pankine what?
2 likes@james joe its my anger from how youtube has still been awful after 4 years of this video's re;ease
15 likes@Pankine sheesh dude
7 likesאיט איז! בגלל שהסימפסונים לא ירוקים!
1 likeif it stayed for another year and 4 months then it's officially been 5 years after the video's publication and his view is going to be terrifying
3 likes@T3zlaGM why is it like that?
0 likes@james joe like what
0 likes@T3zlaGM why can't we just say it's 5 years ago the moment new year starts?
0 likes@james joe u can
0 likesWhen they started removing comment sections on old cartoons and whatnot that was the official point that I started hoping Youtube burns and a new service rises to prominence. Next thing you know they'll take away comment sections on soundtracks for any E-Rated videogames. What fun is it if we can't talk with each other about our fond memories?
8 likes@Pankine its been shit since 2012
0 likesI didn't even realize its been three years since the fidget spinner Clickbait panic, I still feel like it was just last year
2 likesLook. I still have hope for the site. There"s still good content out there. He even said it himself. And yet nobody"s listening.
0 likes@Connor Michael most of it is commentary crap i could care less about.
0 likes@Doom58 at least try and look.
0 likes@Connor Michael I wouldn't be complaining if I found anything to watch
0 likes@Doom58 Quackity. Flamingo. Chris ray gun. Danny gonzalez. Stephen tries. Saltydkdan. Willne. Wilbur soot. Technoblade. Tommyinnit. Drew gooden. Konekokitten.
0 likesyep, agreed
0 likes@Vapor wait, really?
0 likes@Connor Michael yeah? its not that different from modern youtube.
0 likes@Connor Michael those channels aren’t good... i looked all of them up and they are mostly clones. one of them even uploads 30 minute minecraft letsplays on the regular like (??) was the point of this video not to watch that kind of mcdonalds quality content?
4 likes@alex3rd11 well EXCUUUUUSE ME for not wearing rose tinted glasses.
0 likes@Connor Michael what?
2 likes@alex3rd11 I watch danny gonzales, it is kinda good. But the channel doesn't look like something I would remember if I didn't use youtube for 2 months
0 likes@alex3rd11 i"d still take them over blights like Dantdm, Unspeakablegaming, Stampylonghead, Ssundee, Skydoesminecraft, Thinknoodles, and Captainsparklez.
0 likes@Connor Michael i dont know who any of those are
2 likes@alex3rd11 G O O D
2 likes@Toe Gobbler תרגם בגוגל.
0 likesI wouldn't have noticed if I didn't see this comment, holy shit.
0 likesThe worst part is that I have seen this on Chanel’s I have watched for years and it has gotten so much worse
0 likes@james joe 4 and a half now
1 likeoh yeah for sure. I spend hours every day filming my videos then trying to edit them to make them funny and actually watchable then when im finally done 10 hours later and 3 people start the video see I have 165 subs and then no one else sees my videos
0 likes@Random if this isn't sarcasm than the irony is fucking gold
0 likes@Random bruh
0 likesFricking same man
0 likes@Random it's not something that could be explained in 30 seconds. The irony is him talking about people just like you who need to be spoon fed information in tiny bites. It's honestly kinda sad that you seem to not appreciate the time, effort, and nuance that goes into videos like this.
0 likesand it will happen for 3 years more
0 likes@Random you have to be extremely close minded (or baiting, who knows) to think that youtube is just a "10 minute medium". i have seen probably many of the same video on machine learning and math that you have, and they are fundamentally different than this video. this video is a mini documentary that discusses extremely nuanced situations, and its different than explaining a neural network or how fluids flow through a medium.
0 likesthe idea you have of what this video talks about is funny, and from that i can infer that you have to be at least 30+ years old or close to it. "they said the same thing about radio"; so just because 2 completely separate and unrelated things have "been on a downward spiral" means that it is unnecessary to talk about them? No, this video is completely different than what radios downward spiral was. how can you be so stupid as to think that they are even closely related. seriously, just watch the video before making these wild and inaccurate assumptions.
the tone you give off is kind of annoying, as if him making this video long is an inconvenience to you; as if you have this importance and your time cant be wasted on a video like this. cut that out.
if you dont want to watch a 50 minute video, then dont click on one. if you want to watch the video but dont have enough time, then there is this revolutionary idea called pausing. watch parts of the video in your spare time.
thats all i have to say. dont be so close minded as you are now, and if this was bait then thanks for wasting my time.
And its not going to improve unless Susan is removed
0 likesI actully thought the same lol
0 likesanother year. another....fuck it im done
0 likes@G1NG 54 another year of lies,failures,disappointments,and suicidal thoughts
0 likesSad.
0 likes4*
0 likes@Shooby a change youtube could make could make for the better is that you only get notifications of replys to your comment on a reply thread and not a notification of a reply to the comment that started the reply thread or a notification of a reply to other comments on the reply thread and that reply Is below your comment on the reply thread so you still get a notification for that reply even though it is not a reply to your comment on the reply thread, any comments that start reply threads still get notifications for any replys and replys to comments that are part of the reply thread to those comments, this is a very annoying problem I wish they could fix💯
0 likesI feel like the term "YouTube Poop" can't be taken seriously anymore, not because of "poop", but because of "youtube".
55 likesThis, I believe, will be a timeless masterpiece, as sad as it is to say.
4 likesI always come back to this video as a form of motivation to keep going as a YouTuber, and I know I'm not the only one
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That’s awesome, never quit!
2 likesthis aged better than wine in a barrel left there for 1000 years
8 likesit's been over 3 years now and this video is still completely true. The only thing that's changed is that things are now even worse
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and nobody does anything about it.
24 likesEspecially that shitty algorithm it’s gotten ten times worse
32 likesIt is slightly better. There is a slight animation Renaissance and the algorithm is better in my opinion. Everything else is true though
6 likes@T teg Egg they went to the tens of millions, so yea it had a rebirth
1 likeAnd its not going to get any better unless Susan is removed
6 likes@Clorox Bleach not sure about the algorithm but now YouTube recommends me things that I actually watch.
2 likes@draguO doT pretty much only commentary is worth a damn these days gets old as hell and mabye some of those meme videos that last only a second
2 likes@Clorox Bleach a change youtube could make could make for the better is that you only get notifications of replys to your comment on a reply thread and not a notification of a reply to the comment that started the reply thread or a notification of a reply to other comments on the reply thread and that reply Is below your comment on the reply thread so you still get a notification for that reply even though it is not a reply to your comment on the reply thread, any comments that start reply threads still get notifications for any replys and replys to comments that are part of the reply thread to those comments, this is a very annoying problem I wish they could fix💯
0 likesThe current state of Youtube is the same as with cinema. Both of those things have started as nothing more as just means of expresing creativity of talented people, and creating timeless classics, with pure intention of entertain and challenge audience. And now both of this things became nothing more then just gaint commercial machine which prioritize quantity over quality and new generation of kids eats this shit up, because they don't know any better, because they were already brainwashed. Well....I'M NOT A ZOMBIE. I don't watch scumbags who only gives a shit about money and not inteligence of his viewers. I watch people with passion, with creativity and who create great/amazing video essay's, animations, fanfilms and comics (because somehow, thank god, they're still out there). I don't know what's future of Youtube and Cinema is like but i'm don't have a good feelings about it. Also.....YTP IS DEAD!? I'm sorry but to people who say that I say...NO! YTP is still alive and I feel that YTP is in it's prime. I mean have you seen Silver C Stick YTP'S about Sonic? THESE ARE GREAT. And there are a lot more good YTP's out there, you just have to look. I agree with you EmpLemon, great video.
15 likesI love it so much when Emp uploads videos that are longer than 30 minutes. Cleanses the pallet <3 Re-watching this for like the thousandth time and loving it
5 likesI think it's funny how many YouTubers today acknowledge that the algorithm sucks and they only make safe, soulless content because it's the only way to make money and keep their vids up. I'm sitting in Physics and just now the vid we were watching had to do a cover of a song due to fear of copyright
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Was it a good cover?
0 likesI completely agree, I honestly think it’s just human nature bleeding into what was once a positive creation that cultivated creativity and community. I think your content is very intricate and genuine, I appreciate creators like yours that strive to be people rather than channels.
4 likesI'm glad I watched this, because I was honestly in the same boat of misconception regarding YouTube poops. Loved them back in the day, didn't know they were still made. Definitely going to check your stuff out.
4763 likesThis was very informative and thought-provoking. Thanks for this, man.
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Meep Moop
16 likeswhat did you just say bout my nigga
EvanarchyMT oh, it's that unpopular YT channel.
4 likesAnother to witness the evolution
3 likesAztrosist Glad you agree Aztro
1 likehenlo Aztro
0 likeswelcome to the downward spiral
8 likeshey it's aztrosist
0 likesgr8 b8 m8, I r8 8/8
0 likesReptilian Eucalyptus hahah yeah using 8 is so funny xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
0 likesokay
0 likesTry and throw hands
0 likesi don't get it, this must be some advanced form of shitpost that i do not yet understand
2 likesAztrosist Honestly you're missing out so much over at the russian YTP scene, their editing, memes and after effects are on a whole another level
1 likeAztrosist
0 likesOOOOH SHIT! You're here. But I rag on people for being surprised at seeing popular people. So... duct tape on the mouth?
oh my god YES AZTROSIST LIKES EMPLEMON BABY LETS GO
3 likesDaddy Aztro.
0 likesAztrosist :')
0 likesAztrosist, glad to know that the misconception of YTPs was shared with people I'd expect to know the true conception of YTPs, because it makes me feel less dumb about my misconception despite having watched the occasional modern-day YTP.
1 likeAztrosist confused to where if he's being serious with the comment and questioning how the fuck it can be sarcastic or an act
0 likessteve jordan
0 likesIf you watch Aztrosist's Twitch streams, he's usually a lot more genuine with his commentary (despite playing MineCraft. I'm not kidding).
His sarcastic side is something known as a persona, a character within a person usually executed for entertainment purposes.
Sorry for making you bored.
MageBurger how was that boring? it was a good comment. and I'm just saying when he comments on other videos from other creators, it's usually jokes. rarely do I see him post this well structured comment that should be taken seriously. but it makes me very glad to know that aztrocist liked this video from one of my favorite ytp channels
1 likeMageBurger Hey did you raid that minecraft girl gamer last stream
1 likesteve jordan
0 likesIt was kind of a mini joke for explaining something.
My subconscious just likes to take my expectations and do stuff.
But it's nice to know you like the genuine version of Aztrosist.
I've never seen Assresist be serious
4 likesAztrosist WHERE ARE MY LEGS?!?!?!?
0 likesYoutube Poopztrosist
0 likesAztrosist Same here, dude.
0 likesAztrosist Holy crap someone make an EmpLemon Assresist fan fiction plz
0 likesAztrosist same
0 likesyou are a nice "human"
0 likesI'm surprised you didn't add a one liner or a joke at the end of your message Aztrosist, like "although I'm disappointed you didn't give me a shout out, that hurts man".
0 likesGenuine Aztrosist seems pretty boring. Not as hip with the kids as I thought he was. Is he the true Aztrosist?
0 likesAss resist?
0 likesThis probably took him 2-7 WEEKS to produce, Damn that's dedication.
2 likes1666 likes
1 likeAztrosist GTA SA YTP is amazing.
0 likesAztrosist ytps are pretty much like mlg's but instead of gaming inside jokes, its meme inside jokes regarding stuff like cartoons and stuff of sorts. I know i look like a fucking normie for that explanation but thats my undertanding of it.
0 likesAztrosist thank you for unbanning me on your server
0 likesAztrosist Daddy put a carrot in ne
0 likesAztrosist is it ironic that you are only top comment because you are a popular youtuber?
2 likesHey Asstrocist love your videos
3 likesThis video says everything I have thought for this entire year, but I am part of the problem since I leave auto play on when I sleep (on music I mean :(. )
0 likesholy shit it's ass resist
0 likesthis video was very inspiring, thank you emplemon. i'll go be a better viewer and a better human not a mindless amoeba consuming plain videos day after day, i think i understand this video and what youtube should be in the future, we may not see it soon but youtube could be a better place. soon, ... soon.
3 likesAztrosist TIME TO GO TO LIVE LEAKS
2 likesAztrosist hey man, love your content.
0 likesand hippocrit
0 likesI found a really good YouTube alternative. It's called Vidlii.com and it looks and works just like the old YouTube!
1 likeFurby Man Sorry but it looks not so promising
0 likesFurby Man maybe it may improve later on
0 likesAztrosist I know what your getting at but, I miss the funny shit that I would sit down and eat my pathetic lunch with, I get he's trying to do things but, you do need other content besides this, your just going to keep losing people that support you, I still do but things need to change man, bring back the old Lemon, you and JP Carlson were both amazing video creators, making ytp content unlike any other, but those days are gone, at least Pie Pivotmotpier still makes videos, he's one of few still keeping it alive
0 likesAztrosist I also love making edgy content
0 likesAztrosist same
0 likesAssresisst is god <3
1 likethanks for educating me.
2 likesAccursed Farm is one of the few genuine channels still active. Doesn't try to sell the viewer anything, he doesn't even ask people to subscribe to his channel. He said it makes him sound too much like a salesperson which isn't what he aims to do, he just aims to make good videos that people will enjoy.
3 likesWhat's popping jimbo
0 likesJesus Aztrosis... funny seeing you here...
0 likesSame man
0 likesHonestly me too i didnt know youtube poops where different now
0 likesThis video has aged extremely well, and it will probably age even better with time.
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except for him complaning about sponsorships, it makes him look like a hypocrite now
1 like@Latvian Dragon He literally had text in the video that said "I'm one of them: buy my stuff" lmao
3 likesNothing has changed. If anything it’s even worse. It’s just sad at this point.
5 likesI personally believe that the YouTube algorithm itself has been improving on its own terms in the exact ways you have presented the website failing in this video. Maybe I’ve gotten lucky but there are so many new creators who put real effort into their work I’ve found just recently and it’s been expanding. How? The recommended and suggestions. It’s not perfect, it’s not even great, but it’s getting good. - just a shithead’s opinion
8 likesControversial opinion below!!!
6 likesI personally don't enjoy YTP videos...
*BUT*, I have a deep respect for the people who do them, I can only imagine how creative one has to get in order to make a good YTP...
I've been here since 2007. I've seen things you people wouldn't believe,
3719 likesFlame wars in the comments section of the IrateGamer
I saw PewDiePie at only 10k subscribers
Lego stop motion videos, telling meaningful and intricate stories
These memories, will be lost in time, like... this comment.
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Pladimir Vutin I suddenly feel incredibly depressed.
143 likesYou joined in 2009 though
34 likesLeo sanchez HHHHMMMMMMMMM
15 likesColin Scott Farnham Maybe he just had a second account or maybe didn’t even have a account though.
58 likesThat time will not be lost neither this comment in my heart and yours
7 likesyour comment ain't going anywhere, boy, there's too much value in it, too much sentiment for the days that were lost, and too much reality
17 likesPuadimir Vltin.
4 likesThe good days. I remember, I was only a little lad, but I want it back
4 likesI member when Meet the Spy had 100k views
3 likesHoneyBunni22
13 likesIf its any consolation, Kitty0706 is still well remembered.
Seeing the name Irate Gamer just gave me negative chills and mild sadness in my head on how long ago and outdates that name is. PewDiePie at 10k subscribers. Such evolution..
1 likeBoxes World Why don't you look back at his channel, you may find something!
0 likesthank you Pladimir Vutin
2 likesremember pewdiepie's amnesia custom story's, death star cantina lego, those stickman animations? when minecraft wasn't full of 5 year old kids.
8 likeswhat happened to those days :(
oh my fucking goodness lego videos what the fuck happened to them
5 likesPewdiepie at 10k? Man that's old, but not quiet as old as 1k.
3 likesI'm joshing though, I only saw him at 15k and even then I wasn't interested.
The worst part for me is that I never saw how YouTube looked before google took over. I didn't start watching YouTube regularly until I found Markiplier with his first FNaF video. I was 13 or 12 at the time, but I also want the old YouTube back.
8 likesIt's like hearing about the old American days where people rode on horseback. You only know what you have been told, instead of being able to experience it yourself.
Blade runner???
3 likesdude, i was here since 2005. i dont remember when i made the account, but it was definitely by 2007. im with you man. so many memories, when the lets plays began, when YTP began, even when all of the websites like Newgrounds and AlbinoBlackSheep were beginning to merge here. what i miss most is exploring. finding weird stuff, like Chuck Norris in Oblivion...
2 likesI forgot about lego stop motion man that was so cool and it makes me sad that it's gone
2 likesPladimir Vutin lol u mean 2009 not 2007
0 likesI remember as a kid playing some interactive lego video involving a spider jumping on your friend and you can jump into a mech and blast the shit out of the spider and your friend
0 likesi was a weird kid
hippo master If you use logic, he probably never made an account until then.
1 likeWell I guess I'm not the only one here. That's exactly how my viewership on YouTube started out, watching people like jkilts (RIP Lego Titanic)
0 likesIncredible comment! :)
1 likeWHY
0 likes@Boxes World I don't even recall replying to this thread earlier than 2 up lel - the nobody meme sux tho, stop talkin about it
0 likesWOAH DUDE IS THAT A BLADE RUNNER REFERENCE FREAKIN EPIC BRO
3 likesDude I loved those stop motion lego videos those were awesome like the Zombie ones, Halo , the Star wars ones, and the ones telling stories about life too.
2 likesI remember when rant videos were popular and when let's plays were new
1 likeI remember when game grumps was new as well
2016 is oddly enough the last good year for YouTubers but 2012 is the last good year for YouTube
i remember when pewdiepie was just another person on the rise
2 likesI remember the early days of Arby N the Chief...... I mean those very first episodes....... They were fun.......
1 likeRemember the size of Youtube trolls back then? By Gar they were massive beasts. They don't make em like those anymore...
2 likesthis comment has 869 likes, it is not as forgotten as lego stop motion
3 likesLike tears in rain...
1 likePladimir Fig Newton? Is That You?
0 likesAmen. I member when smosh and nigahiga owned this town.
1 likeI forgot that these Lego Stop motion videos existed and now I remember them again because of this comment.
1 likeThe good old days.....
putin has spoken
1 likeBeen here since 2010. Remember the old CDi YTP's, MrBeast with 80K subs, Leafy and Montage Parodies. (Sorry that's all I remember)
0 likesLike tears in the rain...
2 likesthis comment is already nothing but a memory
1 likeBeen here since 2009 and I know what you mean
1 likeThanks Vladimir
1 likei saw pewdiepie at like 10mil (Ive had 3 accounts including this one.)
0 likesThose Lego stop motion videos were the shit man. Especially the Lego Star Wars ones. Perfection.
1 likePladimir Vutin I wish I had been born earlier to see the golden age of the Internet ☹️
0 likesYou're not totally lost
0 likesPladimir Vutin lol
0 likesRemember when they wouldn't let you "downvote" more than a few comments at once?
0 likesThe nerf office war video
1 likelovely blade runner reference
0 likesSike, you thought
0 likesI hadn't thought about those stop-motion Lego videos in well over 10 years. Can't believe I nearly forgot! ah, simpler times indeed.
1 likeI remember when discovered Youtube, used to watch Pokemon Battle Revolution videos and Shadowleggy's animations. Good times...
0 likesI've been there as well, there are several old videos I don't know if I'll ever see again simply because of how long ago I've viewed them.
0 likesI also had the Blade Runner music run through my head while reading this, so well done.
Sushi. That’s what my ex wife use to call me. Cold fish.
0 likesi miss lego stop motion videos
0 likeshad to reply to make it 69
0 likesAh, Lego stop motion videos. After the Package III came out, Lego stop motion kind of stopped and came back and stopped again
1 likei've been here since the lego stop motion pictures
0 likesI remember watching those old Lego Stop Motions. Those Lego Batman stop motions from Forrestfire101 were hilarious to me back in the day.
1 like@Crzypengu golfcrazenes18
0 likesI miss Egoraptor's animations and fan subbed anime shows on YouTube.
0 likesok
0 likesok bro I rate gamers 10/10 too 10/10 FLAMES
0 likesHey grandpa, can you tell me the same fucking story with a nagging lesson like "the old days were better" at the end? Thanks!
0 likesPladimir Vutin Not if al two thousand of us have something to say about of it.
0 likesh
0 likesIt's lost
0 likesnot so fast
0 likes2 years later, and you're still not lost in the swarm. Congrats.
1 likethis won't be lost yet
1 likePladimir Vutin my friend, you have outlived the spiral, as you can see people are still finding this today.
1 likeGood riddance. At least to the flame wars. It still exists so many people are still stupid. Just in different ways. xD
1 likebet u feel silly
0 likessurprise this is at the top.
0 likesThe lego stop motion thing is a bit of an exaggeration mate, they weren't really "deep" or anything like that.
0 likesNope
0 likesLazzle Dazzle they weren’t deep at all. they were just old and funny (to an extent) and and most of all, they’re nostalgic. i’m one of the ones who loved them
0 likes@BrickbyBrick46 I very much miss old Youtube myself, it used to be a lot smaller, far less people were doing it for money because it was far more difficult to make money off the site.
1 likeI will never let it die
0 likesmaking a mark on this comment
1 like@Piechew Community me too
1 like@Lazzle Dazzle shame it is not like that anymore😑
0 likesyou've been on YouTube longer than most of the people on this website have been alive.
0 likesI've found you at least.
0 likesAnybody remember those Mario The Parody Series? It’s gone now…. Was thinking of making a transcript of everything I remember… I’d be happy to have others join if they’re interested.
0 likesShit I feel old
0 likesI always watched stop motion Lego gun videos when I was younger. The huge arsenal and heat these guys were packing fascinated my young middle mind so much back then
0 likesI watch alot of Lego stop motions back then and they still age well
0 likesI wouldn’t say this comment is as lost as you think given that you got 3,600+ likes.
0 likes100s of lego stop motions (most since removed) and people would straight up upload full episodes of family guy right after they aired. It was a great time!
0 likes@Chief Gabriel You can still find plenty of Family Guy clips from both corporate and bootleg uploaders, but typically not more than maybe a third of an episode in any video.
0 likesIf people were to upload Lego stop motion or something like that, it’d probably go under the radar due to a lack of recommendations through the algorithm (unless an incredibly large channel uploaded such a video).
i wish there was more videos like this, just pure unfiltered anger and complaining
3 likesStill one of my favorite Emp videos even all these years later.
6 likescame back to listen to this video again and man does it hold up even 4 years later! i can safely say that your own content has been doing exactly what you call for here- for YOU to be the reason people to come to your channel. even if i know nothing about nascar, or wwe, or whatever else you feel like making video essays on, you have a level of sheer talent and skill that keeps me engaged, and provides both a good watching AND listening experience. it's amazing how i can be brought to tears, or into awe over things i knew nothing about beforehand by your videos. it's fucking glorious. thank you for truly broadcasting yourself.
1 likeI became YouTuber a few months ago and shit's hard on my head man. I'm in constant fear of the normies thinking my content is cringe because I took the time to speak about my opinion in a few videos I've made. Sure, I'm not that good making content really just on my own, and I've not been satisfied with the idea of sticking to gaming, or even the thought that I made gaming content in the first place. I've had trouble thinking of what videos to make YTPs of, how to make them, how to add my favorite poopisms to said YTPs, and more. I've thought of a type of video to make that I think I'll make for a bit and see if I'm satisfied with it. If I just can't find any inspiration, or I can't make any content that I'm satisfied with then fuck it, I give up! Fuck this site!
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ok
0 likes@Crygen you're the normie he was talking about. Or maybe you're just a bot. Little functional difference.
1 like@Jay Kelley ok
0 likes@Crygen literal npc
0 likesI used to love YTP
2091 likesWasn't even aware how alive it was, probably thanks to both YouTube suppressing it, and me not wanting to watch YouTube videos anymore.
I used to animate and now I'm a gaming channel. Despite my animation improving, the attention it got wasn't even a fraction from before. I still like to animate a little into my videos where I can and that's all the individuality I can claim to be my own these days.
I don't like asking for subscribers, and yet I've been conditioned on this site that if you neglect to remind viewers, they won't sub. So I made video enders always revolve around destroying the subscribe button.
Only reason why this comment is all about me (wah) is because your rant resonates pretty hard with me for the most part. Here's hoping things can turn around someday. I'd say people will get sick of it eventually, but worryingly our audiences are a new generation which is literally growing up watching junk. There'd have to be some sort of movement or plugin that worked on YouTube but surpassed the terrible algorithm we are haunted by to this day.
Thanks for the motivation!
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Lythero Oh, wasn't expecting you here...
17 likesWOAH!!!!!!!
4 likesive watched 2 much p00ping that i can now say when a ytp is good or bad
3 likesLythero wow did expect to see you here
4 likesThe Phoenix Wright Master
5 likesAre you the guy who is good at Mario kart?
7 likesLythero it's so great to see you here, I always thought to myself "what did happen to Lytheros animations?" And it's so annoying to see that they just get ignored and it's hard for you to do what you want, if anything, your videos are much better than most other gaming videos because you seem to actually care
11 likesthis is so true i'v been trying to grow for a while now but i just can't
2 likesoshit it's the boi
1 likeBruh, ur animations are amazing man!
1 likeThe grandstander of glory himself.
2 likesand Smash
1 likeI miss you lythero...
0 likesI still love ytp and always will
0 likesLythero i
0 likesDon't kick my ass on MvCI please.
2 likesLythero what are you doing here shouldn't you be money matching Alphard or something
0 likesLythero I don't think that's a good excuse. You were conditioned? Seriously? C'mon, let's get real, I'm 15 who has watched this site for the majority of my lifetime, and I know what I want out of a YouTube channel. If you really believed in making good content without stale endings, you wouldn't say them.
2 likesTh3R3alZero hey zero
0 likesLythero exactly doesnt look like youtube will get better anytime soon I think I'm pretty close to stop watching YouTube completely
0 likesIf the algorithm didn’t change, then your animation might have done better
0 likesI loved the King of the Hill YTPs when I stumbled into them. I checked out some other YTPs and most of them just didn't tickle my funny bone the same way. Something about KotH just lends itself so well to the art form of YTP. But I do appreciate the sentiment behind it, there's an anarchy there that I love, plus it's just plain hilarious if done right.
0 likesSo just for fun I tried my hand at making one myself, and as a way to maybe gain some skills at editing. Most of it was pretty crude edit tricks because I didn't have the chops yet, but still it's fun to play around with. But of course, when I uploaded the video, it was immediately blocked, even though I wasn't monetizing it, and had no interest in doing so. But I don't have the time or patience to figure out how to get around that, so I gave it up.
i like your ganon seconded only to biz
0 likesI grew up watching youtube, some my best memories were watching videos with my friends. The best way I can describe the change I have seen is that youtube has lost its soul, as much of a circlejerk it is to say youtube sucks now, its true. It's honestly just depressing. It's like seeing an old friend completely change for the worse.
11 likesI think youtube needs a serious competitor. It'll definitely open their eyes if youtube audience migrated to a superior platform.
14 likesEdit: also get youtube vanced if you have an android. Its free youtube red
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Like StoryFire?
0 likesAt first I want to say that this video is abolutely great!
3 likesbut I want to add something:
You said the vidoes cant be to long, because the viewers have a attention span of a toast or something like that. But its the zombie viewers of that content that are like this and sadly they're taking over and stumble upon videos that aren't in their zombie comfort zone, because the algorithm is broken...
I'm sure if this video or your other video you showed as example would get recommended to the right people you would get much higher avarage watchtimes, because interested people WILL like this content and stay interested.
you probably should have said something like "If you're producing this low effort videos, make sure it's not to long, because your zombie audience will have a attention span of a taost (or whatever you said), but if you're not doing that, make it as long as it has to be and dont cut quality content or stop when its not yet perfect, just because "most of the poeple wont see it anyways", just do it"
tbh I was and sometimes still watch not that high effort videos (minecraft letsplays (but with not too bad editing) and im guilty of watching the videos where people tell me how bad a movie is), but if they get to long, they are not enjoyable (=even less than at the beginning), because they are not meant to be that long, but I can have a longer attention span with good videos and watch them for a long time (like this one or even longer)
I love how true and down to earth emp was here
10 likesjust like a wise man said: "internet is not a big truck, it's a series of tubes!"
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CGP GREY!!!!
0 likesThe fact that this video is still relevant today tells you just how bad the situation is. Only now, it's somehow even worse. Now we have YouTube shorts, which is just another cheap imitation of TikTok, further proving people are too lazy to click on videos made by small, up and coming YTers, but would rather just sit their asses down and swipe up to watch a continuous stream of talentless trend chasers who would willingly hurt themselves for clout. This is the state of YouTube. And as bad as it is now, it'll somehow manage to get worse
7 likesEdit: Yup. It got worse. Now they're removing dislikes because we dont wanna hurt anyone's wittle feewings. I hate this site
I love how the soundtrack is mostly progressive rock.
12 likesAncient vid, but although alot of this can be blamed on incompetence, I do believe it also has to do with gatekeeping. Comfort is an endpoint most seek, and for coorperations that necessarily involves monopolies (since competetion is the most expensive part of running buisness and monopolies eliminate competion). And in order to have a monopoly, you have to own everything or have control over everything. Naturally, allowing individuals the freedom to rise ''unsupervised'' undermines the ability to create monopolies and have full control control. Now, EVERY little thing probably does not directly connect to gatekeeping, but it is worth noting that it is not uncommon to sneak in restrictive rules subtely through ''good intentions'' (in addtion to said ''good intentions'' not always playing out as intended either way). And regardless of which affects it the most, it never changes who benefits the most from these ''mistakes'' (hint: its 99% likely it is not you).
4 likesEmplemon, I... lack the words. To express how fucking true that is. That was so goddamn spot-on that I’m stunned. I usually don’t comment often on youtube, but I just had to for this. It’s important because really, as you say it, it’s counterproductive. Watching the shitty corporate youtube is a creativity-killer and awareness is necessary for people who seek to improve and lead a better life.
239 likesThat’s just too fucking true, mate.
Damn.
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This is why I watch Emplemon
2 likesSame here.
0 likesAs someone who is a major Pink Floyd fan, your videos have the best soundtrack of any youtube. But yah, four years later and pretty much none of the problems listed have been fixed yet. As long as Emp, Jon Bois, and co keep making videos I'll still keep returning to this site though
3 likesThis video hits different now that YouTube Shorts is literally just uploads of Tiktoks and TV clips.
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Most channels that do shorts to my knowledge (at least of those I'm aware of) are just highlights, or notable moments of longer videos that are linked in the description.
0 likesThis video is 100 percent accurate. It's honestly really sad. Youtube went from the best place on the internet to one of the worst. RIP
6 likesI'm curious as to what Mr. EmpLemon thinks about YouTube today. After watching, I can say a lot of this still applies roughly 4 years later. But has it gotten better, worse, or stayed the same?
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Not to defend the site, but regarding what he focused on in this video (algorithm and lack of variety in particular), it probably hasn’t gotten much worse than it was then just because of how bad it got.
0 likesThe message of this video doesn't just apply to YouTube, this applies to everything creative
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@Nae Nae
4 likesPreach it.
It applies to the entire internet
11 likesIt applies in real life
11 likesIt applies to the universe
8 likesIt applies
5 likesIt is
2 likesIt
2 likesthe message of the video still works
0 likesThis guys use of music in his videos is amazing! I fucking love how you switch up the tone of the music for each part and when you choose to cut it out. Not to mention the volume change.
1 likeI loved early youtube. I really hate this corporate shit, it bores me. Thank you for addressing this.
12 likesI've always had this crazy idea. That because of the glut of "reality" TV programs from like 2009-2012, which has a strong correlation to the aftermath of the 2008 writer's strike, a good majority of people started to draw more of their entertainment from YouTube and other internet sources. Idk. Just seems a little to close timeline-wise to be a mear coincidence.
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I wouldn't be surprised.
0 likesI happened to rewatch this vid right after the Rick Grimes one. (Both of which I'd seen before) and just the sereal backwards painful full circle between the two just elevates them so much higher to me. Makes the messages of each (that were already very strong) so much more powerful and imo important to the world and internet as it is now.
2 likesBloody great video. It's exceptionally concerning that YouTube just keeps getting worse and worse. Hell, it's hard to say anything that you already haven't.
347 likesI'm lucky enough to have stumbled across a middle ground. While many of my videos have the 'popular sources' and slightly higher production quality than the average YTP, I'm still able to make whatever I want, whenever I want, and the audience (at least the vocal majority) enjoy it! Admittedly, I have been focusing on popular sources as of recent, but that's predominantly to keep the channel afloat during a period in which I lack the time to create stuff regularly.
I could easy make a Squeakquel every single day. Cold 656.3 could have released right now. But I just can't do it. I can't bring myself down to the level of the 'subscriber whores' who have drained all passion from their work.
I believe moving forward that, with a certain balance, we can still see worthy content creators broadcasting themselves without stooping to the lowest of the lows.
Gaming channel can have Highlights - properly edited personality driven segments where each episode takes hours to edit, not seconds (such as Funhaus). List channels can do the same - take Outside Xbox and Outside Extra for example; they create semi-regular content but the videos are driven by the down-to-earth hosts rather than the copied-and-pasted facts.
There are large channels which - while the subject may be as clickbaity as possible - still put a massive amount of effort into their videos. Hours of scripting, editing, and even working towards understanding their market.
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Numberer1 love your content
10 likes+Numberer1 Yes but big channels that are putting much effort into their work are still not doing 'anything wrong'. Just like YTP's, if the content is great and time isn't repeatedly 10:00 to 10:30 then it would be amazing content. If the YouTuber who's content is repetitive and defys the rules i said earlier then its clear that they aren't doing nothing wrong. As i have my opinion and nobody can change that.
2 likesModernization is making me fucking sick
0 likesEmp, you make me not feel so alone. You give me faith that people can make sense. Please, never ever change.
3 likesEverything in this video is still sadly relevant today and I'm so glad you spoke about it to the extent of detailing the website itself!
6 likesthe downward spiral! it's happening on twitch for a few years too it too is infested with normies and a ton of women do this weird ASMR and people just chat and watch YOUTUBE videos it's fucking stupid lol it's become less about gaming and more about the people and the clicks twitch like youtube only cares how much money you make not the creators both youtube and twitch has this issue i do wish more genuine people existed on both platforms there are a few but they hardly exist also i HATE the reminder of subscribing it's SO ANNOYING! i'm with emplemon on that part it's fucking everywhere holy FUCK! except subs on youtube are the same as followers on twitch and subs are the same as members on youtube been watching a ton of your content emplemon also a friend has been showing me YTPs and i used to be that guy and didn't give those a chance and MY LORD WHAT WAS I MISSING! Good lord i missed good content now i feel bad hating on them years ago w/o giving them a chance been really enjoying your commentaries though every one of those interest me i watched all the Geographic and never ever series i'm with ya on FUCKING NORMIES! i remember playing a video game on my GBA and people act like you aren't there or paying you any existent i kinda liked gaming not being mainstream. once things hit the mainstream it all goes to this like streaming and making content lol
7 likesThis is 4 years ago and it still holds up. I've watched some YTP recently and it was interesting because it actually told a story rather than using outdated memes.
1 likeYouTube 2005-2012 "Broadcast yourself"
1709 likesYouTube 2013-2020 "Broadcast monitizable, kid friendly, idiot proof, quantity>quality, mainstream, corporate, soulless, heartless, copycat content"
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correction: "broadcast what makes money for yourself"
34 likes@MelecieDiancie "Broadcast what makes money for US"
63 likes@Jeff The Skelly Boi cant tell if you mean us, the word or USA but both work honestly
3 likescleaned, show your grandma content
5 likes2016 was the only resurgence of edgy actually funny content throughout 2013-2020, and it died really quick
15 likes1 good thing came from 2013 is custom thumbnails for some people that could be a bad thing
3 likes@Jeff The Skelly Boi your pfp looks like it's about to yell at me to eat the pizza
2 likesI think that its 2016-2021, because 2016 marks Susan becoming the CEO of YT, COPPA, the adpocalypse, the copyright/fair use abuse, and demonetizations.
6 likesBecause 2012-2016 was the age of let's plays, streams, content creation with the dream of getting monetized (not just patreon or merch) was prevelant.
@WingMaster562 true you got me there
2 likesi imagine television was the same way.
2 likesIt’s sad
0 likesYou could probably find individual videos where people broadcasted themselves today, but if their goal is to make money, unless what they want to do already happens to be something that advertisers want to fund, then chances are they resorted to one of those templates to trend.
2 likesYoutube 2021: Broadcast communism
2 likes2013-Now: "Broadcast whatever makes more money for us and makes almost nothing for you so we can shove more useless features that make things more corporate and heartless while demonitizing, censoring, blocking, and terminating channels that aren't corporations, oh did I mention entire corporations have channels now? Yeah. We're gonna make them the entire platform. Except for the people that are running their channels like a corporation."
1 likeThis generation has only taught me one thing:
0 likesthat originality is officially dead
I love you.
0 likesMore like 2017-2022
1 likeFacts
0 likeslots of people here are saying that 3 years later it's still true and they were lucky to have this recommended to them. but now it's worse, not only was it 4 years, a friend had to share this with me i didn't get it recommended.
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I got this in my recommended after seeing a few of his videos, and picking a number of drawn out videos.
2 likesBut I’m probably in the minority arriving here through recommended.
Pass it on
1 likeThis video was amazing to listen to in the background and then hear prog rock songs that I thought nobody else liked and immediately liked the video 100% better.
6 likesVery nice choise of music, it made me more interested in the topic the whole time :).
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I mean I know this video is old and I doubt you'll see this but I just wanna comment this in hopes you do see it :).
2 likesSame dawg
2 likestrue
1 likeThis man was and is, ahead of his time, beyond the normie zeitgeist
2 likes4 years later and multiple watches, I just realized you’re playing an 8-bit version of Frankenstein by the Edgar Winters Group in the background. Absolutely fantastic
1 likeYou might wanna make an update for 2019. Youtube has gotten worst
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The Playinghand Show it gets more and more worse each year since 2014
81 likesAfter a year on this account, if u subscribe to the right people and watch them regularly enough, you can bend the algorithm to your will. But new ppl, ya they're screwed
128 likes@Bruh Moment facts, ive been on this site for like 10 years and even still its hard to find good content, like this, that somefuckinghow the algorithm sent my way
67 likesI just love the fact that YouTube broke its own filter system
17 likes@Rafael Hinojosa they're being rushed by advertisers to make better copyright and offensive content filter so they don't look bad, it somewhat out of their control
12 likesThe Playinghand Show YouTube gone in a D O W N W A R D. S P I R A L
11 likesThe Playinghand Show creators need to stand up to YouTube
1 likeNo need. That's why it's called Downward Spiral. Unless a better change has gone underway, no need to do make another video on YouTube.
10 likesbut idk
@Bruh Moment to be honest I can't blame him.
2 likesWorse*
0 likesThe S P I R A L has cursed this site...
2 likes@Bruh Moment It's not out of their control at all. Youtube just has to stop catering to such a small portion of shitty advertisers.
1 likeatomic doomsday58 I think it was since 2012, when the copyright system was revamped. I vaguely remember that instantly caused a lot of shit, I remember that instantly bought forward this new type of drama and it set a major precedent.
3 likesI honestly think that affected the entire Internet as well and was a major thing that made all the corporatization, ads and limitations more prominent and "okay" because YouTube got away with it. It's getting kind of close to being a decade since this happened and things have arguably gotten a lot worse on YouTube and they still get away with it.
Don't get me wrong, corporations would still try to strangle the Internet if it were profitable, and they would get their way, but YouTube's decision was probably a huge boon for them. And I just really think that's when the site changed and you could tell the Internet would change and become an everyday thing, which means all the big companies and bigger restrictions came along too.
Really do miss when the Internet wasn't a normie thing frankly, really really miss when technology wasn't in EVERYTHING, this shit just isn't healthy and the Internet used to be better.
I just feel like peoples' standards are really low all around but I guess my misanthropic self (not in "fuck all people!" sense, no, I mean I really feel like I don't belong anywhere and would rather not suffer from human nature at times) is starting to just rant about people. Sorry.
idk bout y'all but i think the YouTube algorithm has gotten better, it knows me well and i find plenty of great videos to watch
2 likeslike this one for the fourth time
@Doom58 we all died and went to hell in 2014
1 likeGiven what happened because of a VOX editor's vitreal towards Steven Crowder's new shirt, yes. It has gotten a whole lot worse.
4 likes((12:59 Shadman "cameo" [background art] kek))
2 likesThe spelling in comment is just as bad as ever though, at least that'll never change
2 likesSean Weeaboo yeah, that’s how I found this channel
2 likesworse*
1 likeHi Play
0 likes@Bruh Moment Sucks to be me. I've been on YT since 2014, and finally, about a month and a half ago, I've won the fight with the algorithm. My homepage was beautiful and interesting. And then YT deleted my fucking account. I didn't even receive an email saying why. I tried to appeal but I haven't received any response.
5 likesThe Playinghand Show like putting 2 ads at the same time in a video
1 likeVery
0 likesJust here to remind ya' all that watchmojo has made a video titled "Top 10 Types Of Cheese" or smth along those lines and got thousands of views. They actually, unironically ranked cheeses in a top 10 list. And people fucking watched it. And left likes.
4 likesSo yeah, I think the content has only gotten shittier over the years.
@wearelive yeah in 2020 it would probably be suffering a tiny bit same with twitter they ban users for no reasons and let the bad ones slip away with it and also youtube is doing the same stuff pretty much.
3 likes.... i have news for you...
1 like@Bruh Moment youd have to be on this site for longer if you want truly good content
2 likes@M4RZ
3 likesYea, this is why I'm adamant that YouTube is still getting worse, even though there's more good content than ever before. I watched a few newer poops (can't remember their names :( , but they were about that old "we're riding on the Internet!" and a gamecube into music one) and realized that my tastes have changed, and that's fine.
But, there is still content that I do like, and even when I come across it and watch several videos, does anything similar show up in my feed? Nope! The same Reddit copy+paste stories (my guilty pleasure, sue me) and videos from channels I'm already subbed to, or videos I've already marked as 'Watch Later'! I don't expect the crappy-but-can't-stop-watching videos to go away, but at least diversify my feed, a little bit!
Accessing quality content is hard as hell now. I can't even check how many new uploads any single channel has put out (did you notice that was removed from the sidebar?) and without the Featured Tab, nothing I watch has any social aspect anymore; my friends and I all live in our respective YouTube-manufactured bubbles of content.
It's really sad, I can't remember the last time I enjoyed something like Evolution of Dance with a friend (that wasn't drama).
this still holds up for the most part,he doesn't need to.
0 likesNot that much
0 likesI think that now youtube is mediocre, YouTube will probably never be as bad as it was from 2016-2017
0 likesSo, so, so much worse and it’s still going down hill.
1 likeYouTube rewind 2019 coming soon be prepared
1 likeThe Playinghand Show... and with coppa about to kill us...
0 likesi agree, this site has gotten less interesting
1 like@Bruh Moment yep. Cant watch without my account
0 likesnow in 2020 it is a hot steamy pile of shit
0 likes2020
0 likesNo shit
0 likes*2020
0 likes2020 here, it's about as bad.
0 likes2020 and its lmao
0 likesThe Playinghand Show downward spiral
0 likesBut first, an ad from RAID SHADOW LEGENDS.
0 likes2021
0 likesIt's now 2022 and it's even worse
0 likesYou made me comment. I really loved this one EmpLemon and the centre around the individual, being individual and not straying from the ultimate goal of making videos for the art of it, or as it’s more commonly referred, just making them cause you feel like it.
1 likeIt’s really a good message and the message of youtube being in this unchanging forever downward portal is incredibly true and still so.
I really like your messaging and what’s funny is I came back after being alienated by no more YTPs from you and now that I’ve opened my mind to you and seen how you tick, innovating yourself into the person capable of giving these messages and these lessons?
Well, it’s inspiring ok.
I love you and I love people like you and I hope you and your heroism stays immortal. ❤️
Am I glad I discovered your channel last week! You're a gem dude
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Sucks most people have only started using youtube untill 2016
1 likeEmplemon always has some good advice.
3 likesi feel like it's time to change to a different platform who actually care about the creators, and if there is none, we need to make it
6 likesIt's almost been a year since this video was made and YouTube is still trucking through on that downward spiral, now they're cutting checks and begging "top creators" to stay.
767 likesI was a YouTube Partner since 2009, then February 2018 rolls around and they decide to end my partnership because they DGAF.
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VaporwaveBoi 9000 it's Don't Give A Fuck
3 likesZack Cyrus - they blacklist channels, mine probably ended up on the list after 3 of my not-so-PC videos were "blocked in all countries" by YouTube.
19 likesHoly shit I remember watching your Pi day parody back in 7th grade math class.
4 likes@Viper Volkan I checked it out. It seems pretty cool. Hope y'all can pull through.
2 likesMy god. YouTube has become shit. If I could only make one website in my entire life, it would be an alternate version of youtube with a similar algorithm to old youtube. I would call it "BlueTube"
3 likes@Ultimate Thot Slayer • 999 years ago check out BitChute chief
0 likesAND NOW we have Article 13 (well it's not YouTube's fault it's happening but still)
0 likesand now they terminated mumkey's channel
0 likesVideos like this are my favorite to watch because they challenge me and they speak from the heart. Finally a YouTuber that doesn’t fear controversy and just says what they think.Without diving too deep into conversations like politics. Thank God the algorithm brought up at least one of the Your videos!
1 like46:11 literally 5% of people reached this point properly to hear this
12 likesDamn. Imagine if they removed dislikes
5 likesI honestly wanna make YouTube videos for the fun of making something. I wanna talk about my interests. I wanna make people laugh. I wanna do something of my own creation. I don’t care if there’s 4000 or 40 people watching I wanna make stuff. I’m rebranding myself, I tried making classic old school lets plays but they weren’t fun to make to be honest. Instead I wanna make something well written and well edited, and I want to just put my personality out there for the hell of making something and sharing my talents and interests. I wanna bring back the charm of old YouTube through doing something relatively new
12 likesThis man is protected by so many layers of irony that he is practically impossible to counter successfully.
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@Wilson Foster Yes
2 likesBy saying he has no counter you just dismissed the validity of your comment
8 likesJordan Thompson Could you explain? I'm having a bit of trouble seeing what you mean.
1 likeWilson Foster I'm one step ahead of ya. I was there before he was talking about acceleration.
0 likesYou could say I accelerated towards his content.
Sorry for the late response
0 likesBeing covered by irony or foolishness or the latter, is a counter point within itself
0 likes@HoneycombLord sorry for the late response I don't regularly comment
0 likes@HoneycombLord but you mean his layers of irony counter his arguments yes?
0 likes@citrus3301 Aye aye
0 likes@Jordan Thompson I mostly meant it as a joke, but I do think Emp's insane styling is somewhat helpful in his arguments. It brings out his sense of humor, helping reach his audience.
2 likesWell I could counter him with that "please subscribe" gripe........ Cause I have seen many YouTubers post there analytics showing 90% or more of people watching there videos not being subscribed...... So he's wrong...... People do need to be reminded to subscribe
0 likesThis needs to be remade great video feels like times have barley change
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same. out of the billion of vids on this site this video is easily in my top 10, I hope Emp makes a 2021 version especially since YT is trying to get rid of the dislike button/ counter
4 likesbut theres the point, every point emp makes in this video and may others is till relevant
1 likeThe youtube algorithim suceeds in one thing
5 likesHelping me find who emplemon is
bro this shit has been my fucking manual for 4 years, come back to this video so often that it's in my DNA
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Same, I hope Emp makes a 2021 version especially since YT is trying to get rid of the dislike button
6 likesTruly a masterpiece, I can tell you have put in a lot of effort.
1 likeThis video is just an endless hate-fueled, nuanced, well justified rant. A burning white core of hate. And i love it.
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There's also an inspiring message in the last six minutes.
29 likesno name lel all it is is just him saying "well youtube is shit and keeps treating you like shit so just keep going!" But I agree with everything else in the video
3 likes7:20 this is why the internet is terrible. Just because someone points out that a YouTuber is making bad content and tries to give constructive criticism on how they can improve, people take it way too far and start telling everyone to hate on that YouTuber. Then it gets to the point where everyone hates him so much that they think it’s justified to start physically attacking him (doxxing him, etc.) and none of them think that it’s wrong to do that until the original person who accidentally caused all the hate call them out on it and tell them to stop.
6 likesAs someone who watched through to the end, I salute you. Go out and be the best, my friends.
1 like29:37 You know, this also parallels pretty well with YouTubers who does sponsorships. In fact, I'll make exactly that.
5 likesIt just outstands me how the type of YouTuber would make one of their videos and complain, "Oh my god! How can Disney make so many live-action remakes? How can Nickelodeon make SpongeBob spin-offs despite Hillenburg saying that he never wanted the show to have any? How can Warner Bros. make a Space Jam 2 and have it be an hour long HBO Max ad? How can corporations do things for no other reason than to make money?" Than five minutes later, they're sponsoring ExpressVPN. Can I ask something to you people who actually sponsor ExpressVPN, or Raycon Earbuds, or mobile games with microtransactions and pretend you enjoy the products. How does it feel? How does it feel knowing you're being used as a puppet by jackasses desperate for money who specifically design their products to appeal to more gullible pinheads like you. And how does it feel to realize you're such a predictable simpleton that it works just because of the paycheck they promise you. So go ahead, keep sponsoring shit like ExpressVPN. The shitty products by shitty people who view the people that sponsor their stuff as nothing more than their equivalent of the Geico lizard. Keep giving them attention rather than supporting things that are actually any good. Why do people nowadays give shoutouts to ExpressVPN? Why aren't they're more people shouting out YouTubers with less than 100,000 subscribers or movies and/or shows that they find to be underrated? Oh wait, people try to do that. But it's pointless because their videos get slaughtered in view count by the torrent of vapid, and unstimulating dreck this cite turns out on a daily basis.
11:08 wow, i've never heard of that before and i would LOVE if that were a thing today. So many other social media sites let you see what others have liked, except youtube. Would make finding new content SO much easier, more often than not i'm stuck getting recommended the same stuff over and over.
3 likesBut you guys dont get it... this man is right. The attention span of these fools is the most sickening part of it too
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yeaaap, it's crazy.
0 likesplus i've watched his btm video all the way through, btm ruins alot things, that's why fantano hated him because he was doing something that he was doing, btm fanboy and girls of 9 years old to 10 years old need to sit their asses down and stay in school!
6 likesTalk about something that shocked me. I feel really bad I was watching watchmojo.com only to realize they're a corporate business, not individuals.
1 likeThat's because youtube is becoming a hotspot for children, which I think is where a good deal of this shit stems from. Kids will pretty much watch whatever mindless shit you give them as long as it's entertaining
6 likesFor the commentary part, at first I thought the content was actually getting better, but I see guys like Sen, Bowblax, Prison Mate Luke, etc. And it reminds me of how content on YouTube is getting worse and worse and how the creators are getting faker and faker. Not all of them are like this, but a majority of them are.
6 likesBro i love ytps, and i hope more people respect this form of art.
1 likeThis video literally described all of my thoughts about Youtube to a T. I always loved this website, but I never really liked the idiots who run it. They reward people who covertly advertise their channel and false copyright flag jerks while showing no concern for their viewers and content creators who made them billions. You either die a hero, or you live long enough to become the villain I guess.
1 likeBro, finding new content is so hard these days; even when you actively search for new shit, YouTube will constantly push shit on you that you've already seen.
9 likesIncredible analysis. Love your channel, and you have great taste in music
1 likeThis guy is so good....
3 likesI just love his video essays
It’s kinda odd to see how Emp has changed over the course of the time, he’s kinda mellowed out over the years
1 likeLol
I gotta be honest, your content is really good background noise. i listened to a lot of your videos while drawing. dont know if your gonna take this as a compliment or an insult lol
2 likesWhen I watch a video and see that it is 30-40 minutes long, I think, "Oh shit, this is going to be boring and drawn-out," but then I say, "Wait, this is an Emp Lemon video. This guy makes good content and explains his point of view in great depth that is both enjoyable and education." So, I sit and watch these long videos and do NOT at all regret a single second. These videos are packed with such depth and emotion that I contently sit through the whole thing, clinging on to every word and watching his point manifest in front of me. It is like a history lecture that bring together the facts that contribute to outcome and makes it so clearly visible that you wonder why this even happened, the facts are right there. Excellent job all around, 10/10
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YES
3 likesding ding
4 likesWell said, my friend.
4 likesUncy Dan well said there pal.
2 likesbrought a tear to my eye. I really connected with this video and felt all of what you said for the last several years
0 likesIts been 3 years and all Youtube has done to even remotely fix this issue is reduce the time require for bulk ads from 10 to 8 minutes
7 likesStill a great video, I love revisiting it the way I love revisiting great movies. Thanks Emp, you'll always be one of my favorites... Hey maybe you'll do an update video and revisit the seven reasons again?
1 like"its not about telling them what you want them to hear. Its about telling them what they want you to say." - EmpLemon
4 likesI'm starting to feel it's not just Youtube that's starting to feel like television, but the Internet as a whole.
670 likesAnyone else just notice how we use the 5 or 6 same websites everyday?
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yeah it’s a major issue with social media
57 likesMonopoly's and governments rule everything and it sucks
48 likesYeah and tv is trying to be like the internet just look at nickelodeon now. Imagine growing up at a time like this
14 likesReject modernity, embrace tradition.
52 likesReturn to Newgrounds.
@4nt return to the carpetmaking tradition
6 likesIf 6 sites have diverse enough content, who's to say that's limiting? How many websites should you use per day to consider the internet non-repetitive? BTW, many more people out there use 1 or 2 sites/day; 6 is actually on the higher end of the scale.
7 likes@Notsy Zagts "If 6 sites have diverse enough content..."
21 likesThey don't.
@Notsy Zagts All the sites literally are known to steal content from each other.
20 likesWhat are you talking about?
I literally only use YouTube, a cartoon site, and a backend admin panel for a private game server. I hate twitch and social media.
8 likesEvery single social media site is becoming more and more the same every passing day. I don’t understand why these companies make shit versions of features their competitors already have instead of trying to stand out. I know they are trying to steal users from other social media sites but come on. I highly doubt it’s actually effective.
12 likes@4nt or maybe even a bit of smackjeeves
0 likesBecause internet is full of normies
5 likesWell, it has been like this every single year, with the rise of the presence of normies in the internet. What people used to do as owning their own blogging websites, to share with your audience, and forums where you could interact with other people of your same interest, now has been reduced to either being influential enough to lead people to these paths or find these niche websites all by yourself. Probably in the future even sites like newgrounds will be be hidden to obscurity just for another big, bloated social media where once again, posting the same trend over and over probably will make you somewhat famous. It is just a matter of time until this happens, but as a saying goes, everything good has to fade away, and it seems that is the future the internet is heading by.
5 likesi use 3
0 likes3 of which are the d1rty v1deo sites.
0 likes@T3zlaGM lol hi
0 likesThe silver lining is that the youtube algorithm is picking out great channels for me now, I found this channel by clicking a random video I thought was just a low effort meme and LOW AND BEHOLD your videos are friggen amazing
4 likesI love how this is 4+ years old and still fucking relevant.
5 likesI don't know how to describe my thoughts on that video. The word that defines it the best is masterpiece
3 likesMan, this video aged so well, it’s turned to damn ambrosia.
1 likeI just wish the people of youtube saw it so they could get their shit together.
This video was absolutely worth watching all the way through, especially the motivational bit at the end. Holy shit.
326 likesI wonder how many people are going to be inspired by this, because I certainly was.
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Jonah Beale I'm amazed by the comments here. All are really passion felt and many of them are paragraphs long. People really care and its great to see the community response as well.
15 likesI'm still motivated to do what I've been inspired to do, but I'll be taking a different approach to a few things because of what EmpLemon said. I've been wanting to do a true YTP for a while because of very small Youtuber Poopers that I'm subscribed to, but EmpLemon's remorse over the state of content is pushing me to start making it
13 likesFuck everyone else - you wanna do a YouTube Poop? Then do it! I don't give a shit about the algorithm, I make the YTP's and videos I want at whatever length I want. I don't expect success out of it because that's not why you should be in the YTP game at this point, to be honest. Don't do it for "money", do it for fun.
8 likesThis ship is sinking. Might as well go all out and have a good time before we drown.
i am
0 likesI am.
0 likesJonah Beale Amen, brother
1 likeJonah Beale I think this was the most creative, imaginative inspirational piece I have ever seen in a long time. This is like Colloidal is Crazy's type of content; Quality over quantity
4 likesSparkyPrick to be honest I thought it was the other way round. I thought BTM was good and emplemon was the guy ruining the memescape. I'm glad I was proven wrong :)
2 likesThis video actually makes me want to create something for once...
3 likesI used to think there was a specific way to do everything.... which led me to being frustrated and stressed and never ending up making anything because I was afraid of taking risks ... but now I'm feeling that I should take the risk... that I should do what I want and do it how I do it. :3
I feel like making my iwn videos noe i might do it
3 likesA good start would be a total flush of your sub page, start going out of your way to find small channels that are trying to be unique. If we can get enough people to do so maybe we can make a change.
6 likesto all of those with short attention spans, youtube has this feature where you can speed up the video. Your welcome
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People with those problems are far past the point of recovery
5 likesMake an updated version of this with all the shit that’s happend since 2017, I mean it has been 5 years
9 likesThe ageing wine will get finer and finer as the years go by.
5 likesThe way content recommended to YouTube viewers is like if a ton of independent Michelin Star restaurants were, for some freak reason, forced to compete with a fast food chain restaurant for patrons, and swapped their Chef’s Specials with kid’s menus to push the familiar and inoffensive flavors of fried bread and/or unseasoned meat rather than trying to sell the best lobster or steak or stew. If you remove price from the equation, it would seem like people would rather always consume the same food rather than branch out and try something special once in a while.
6 likesCould you imagine a world where everything we see, smell, hear, feel, and taste was like the way content is pushed on this site?
I've never had more respect for you than I do now Emp. This is one of the best and most detailed descriptions of what's wrong with this site I've had the pleasure of watching. I try to stay away from shitty TV like videos but the site seems to make it harder and harder. Thanks for making content like this, we need as many people like you on this site as we can get. I wish you luck, and until the dark day that the Adpocolipse takes away all the good channels left on Youtube never give up man.
79 likes-Godspeed
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Um...ok.
0 likesCOOL NOW GO TO VIDME
1 likeмegaмii I did now what?
0 likes19:40 - 20:30
3 likesThis part is still relevant in 2022, especially with Twitch reactors doing the same thing as the old reaction channels from the mid-2010s.
i seek out commentary videos that are over an hour long on purpose because videos of these lengths are ideal material to listen to while im making art while renewing my brain with new material to think about and compose opinions on certain subjects
3 likesThat Bit about YouTube Trying so hard to imitate other Platforms just got a lot truer, with the release of YouTube Shorts literally Being a carbon copy of TikTok.
9 likesA video that goes specifically well with this one is "Youtube: A System Designed to break you" by NuxTaku. It takes a closer look at the algorith and sheds more light on how it messes with original, genuine content creators trying to make good content while also somehow making end meet. Despite having similar quality to this video, it's criminally underated because the channel usually doesn't talk about deep topics and thus, alienated most of its core audience. I recommend everyone to watch it. Keep the flame burning, educate yourself. As I see it, we owe this to the hard struggling content creators of this patform who've been fighting an uphill battle against their platform for over a decade now.
1 like...just a thought, but would a content creator union be a possibility in any way? That's how employees (try to) limit the power of their employer. It's kind of a similar power dynamic for Youtubers and Youtube, isn't it? I can think of a lot of creator for whom joining this would be a nobrainer. Moist critical has already setup something that's kind of similar to this, even though if it operates mainly in secret.
i want to go back to the true golden age of youtube, the age of reply girls
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I love you dad
159 likesCyranek Yes
47 likesoh shit its my dad
42 likesCyranek indeed
14 likesCyranek I agree with you, god.
10 likesI TOTALLY AGREE
9 likesCyranek You are truly one of the few
11 likesCyranek I actually used to watch the "Stupid Mario Bros" series though...
13 likesi wish i was born earlier to see the true golden age of youtube
18 likesslowly and non-sarcastically applauds that comment Cyranek just made
4 likesWe all do
1 likeCyranek stick animations*
8 likesAds ruined YouTube everybody knows that before money was introduced quality content was made
20 likesAnd the age of video replies.
3 likesMaybe I should have a site similar to old YouTube, but with networking. That way, I'd actually have a chance to get a shitload of popular channels without having to do much other than put the work into it.
2 likesCyranek i would shit my pants if you commented on my video
2 likesKippykip thank you
0 likesCyranek lol
1 like"account made in 2012" yeah really the golden age. right, Cyranek?
1 likeÂngeloPlays yeah I know because I have one
1 likeNEON they're everywhere, i still see them
0 likesCyranek I see you everywhere
0 likesCyranek to to vidlii then i guess
2 likesN E V E R T R U S T O R A N G
1 likeWhen a girl replies to you?
2 likesI would rather have the god damn reply girls.
1 likeyou are a living meme
1 likeCyranek Volvic Veggie Burger
0 likesagreed
0 likesthose day's are gone man.
1 likeCharlie the unicorn. Also a great video.
0 likesCyranek don't we all?
0 likesCyranek people thought they were bad this is worse
0 likesI wanna go back, I wanna go back, and I don't even know how I got off the track. It's time I got back.
0 likesCyranek p
0 likesha ha
0 likesyes
Ah. The puppet show of Master Cheif and the Arbiter...that shit had atleast 3 seasons when I watched it, and that shit would probably never fly theese days.
0 likesYou know times were good when reply girls were the worst thing on the site.
1 likeI L O V E Y O U D O G
0 likesU the man
0 likesLove your content!
1 likeMAKE YOUTUBE GREAT AGAIN!
2 likesThose crappy cheap ass videos with shit quality and 009 sound system In the background I miss them
3 likesThe age of unregistered hypercam
2 likesSips is my dad but I guess Cyranek can be an uncle.
0 likes🅱️🅾️I... AGREED
0 likesI'm fine with that
0 likesEveryone was united in trolling the crap out of them haha
2 likes@Mach you called?
0 likes@Mach Dude wut
0 likesPapa kakadu
0 likesWhat
0 likesS I M P
0 likesI don’t know what reply girls are, but I watched FilmCow’s Charlie the Unicorn, Marshmallow People, Llamas with Hats, and some other animations by him
0 likes@Danielle Wilson cringe
0 likesbe funny for once
1 like@Colonel 100 i mean he's funny but it's more in the way that you don't actually laugh at him but more-so just think in your head "that's funny"
0 likes@Alpha Lax all he does is reddit bait
0 likes@Colonel 100 oh youre talking about his channel i thought you meant his comments
0 likes@fade03 m
0 likesI would like to say that better than wanting to go back, is to really bring it back to the present
0 likesYes
0 likesIt ended?
0 likesI just want to go back to when you could watch a 60% of every season of SpongeBob presented with most of the already 360p video taken up by a still image frame with the episode playing in the corner as a square mask of the actual video with a shifting rainbow filter on top, panning around the frame of the show in a slow, but seemingly-random pattern with the audio phasing between channels and ducking out to mix in a random public domain sound effect every few seconds, and then every 30 to 60 seconds or so having a 5 second ad for a sketchy "watch any movie or tv show for free" website that was always 500% louder than the rest of the audio and so bit crushed to shit from being re-recorded with bandicam from other YouTube videos they had uploaded 500 times before on 500 different accounts that had already been caught and banned that when it screamed into existence on your (either CRT or LCD that could only be viewed within a 2⁰ viewing angle and with your head firmly anchored in place with heavy weights and ratchet straps) screen, each and every speaker, ear drum, window, and hymen within a 75 yard radius would shatter instantly if you didn't catch it and slam down on mute in time.
1 likeAhhh.... The good old days.
@Kevin That was a long, descriptive sentence.
0 likesAnd yeah, ads can sometimes get louder than the content they are placed on.
@Ayy Blyat uwu Love u2 daddy
0 likesThey’re back
0 likesI want to go back to when the world wasn’t a shit hole.
0 likesBut thats not possible.
Watching Matt Koval's announcement about the removal of dislikes, I thought something was off.
0 likesThe spoken words did not match the eyes. The video reminded me of an interview Admiral Jeremiah Denton gave in 1966. I have never seen a less enthusiastic, more reluctant announcement of something that is supposed to be great.
Calling the removal of dislikes a good thing for creators cannot be done without conflict by someone holding the title of "YouTube's Creator Liaison". We know this because there exists not a single YouTube Creator who thinks removing dislikes is a good idea -- for YouTube or for Creators.
Why would YouTube make this universally disliked change? There is a reason, but it's not a good one, and not one that will be publicly disclosed. Instead, there will be references to various studies. Studies that apparently contradict the common sense of every YouTuber.
The ability to easily and quickly identify bad content is an essential feature of a user-generated content platform. Why? Because not all user-generated content is good. It can't be. In fact, most of it is not good. And that's OK. The idea was never that all content is good. The idea WAS, however, that among the flood of content, there are great creations waiting to be exposed. And for that to happen, the stuff that's not great has to fall by the side as quickly as possible.
The process works, and there's a name for it: the wisdom of the crowds. The process breaks when the platform interferes with it. Then, the platform invariably declines. Does YouTube want to become a place where everything is mediocre? Because nothing can be great if nothing is bad.
In business, there's only one thing more important than "Make it better". And that's "Don't fuck it up".
-Jawed Karim on Me at the Zoo’s description
This aged like finer wine.
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The finest wine
0 likesBeen making the rounds on your content over the weekend and you've gotta have the most based music taste on YouTube, no one else would have the balls to drop multiple ELP tracks in a single video
0 likesthis is somehow inspiring, it makes me want to create a way to go back to old youtube or something like that, i kinda wanna make my own platform that was something like old youtube or even something better. idk ill have to think about it more.
1 likeThis is some god-tier editing
4 likesIt's like anything else. The bigger something gets, the more corporate it gets. The more corporate something gets, the more it gets sanitized. The more sanitized something gets, the more everything looks the same.
266 likesIt was like this for the internet as a whole, too. Every content creator had their own website until hubs started to form. Then everyone went to those hubs until social media took over. Now, everybody just spends all their time on YouTube, Twitter, Reddit, etc. There's no point in venturing beyond those corrals because everything they want is provided to them without having to forage anymore. The downside is that it's nearly impossible to draw any new audiences in to your content because everyone already has 4-5 places they go to on a regular basis; no sense expending any more effort looking for stuff.
I had a website back in the late '90s/early '00s. Was it revolutionary in its content? Of course not - just a bunch of video game reviews and stuff about game shows. I developed a circle of friends from that site, though, relationships I still have to this day. I just don't see how you can build that sort of community anymore. Everything's an ocean now, and if you're just a single fish in that ocean, nobody's going to notice you. I tried doing a YouTube channel back in the late '00s, but it's hard to get up the motivation when you look around and see that other people are able to produce better (or at least more polished) content on a more regular basis. Sure you can say you're doing it just for fun, but eventually if you're not getting the validation there's no point in putting yourself out there.
The most galling thing about all this is that to older generations, this sort of sanitization of the internet is exactly what they want. Not too long ago I had a conversation with my dad about the internet, and he envisioned precisely the kind of landscape we see today, where all your information and content come from a relatively limited number of approved outlets, rather than the Wild West landscape there was 20 years ago. And he looked at it as a good thing, because it meant the grown-ups had control. Well, this is what happens when the grown-ups have control: they stifle creativity and just churn out quantity over quality.
All I can say is: thank God for ad-blockers.
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And the more everything looks the same, the more ripe it is to be replaced. Tiktok grew 300% last quarter, and Twitch is still rising. Youtube though, is at half of its peak popularity according to trends (despite their psycho expansion to other countries) and continually falling. The top site always seems unbeatable until it has bled enough that it starts stumbling. Just like AOL and Myspace.
13 likesI think its ironic that your comment has less likes and replys than all the other comments because of the length of yours put people off. The whole point of the video is to be more mindful when using this website and people don't even bother reading the long comments. This type of comment represents the idea of what the video was trying to talk about; you put actual thought into your comment and it gets seeped under the rug by other "old you tube was so great." Your comment represents old youtube when you actually had to put thought and creativity to get noticed, now you get less recognition just because of the length something has to be to express your thoughts. Seeing this video makes me want to stop watching youtube because now I feel as if i'm feeding into some corrupt system that only wants my ad time and that's how bullshit youtube is, and I haven't even been on this platform for long enough to experience the gory days of youtube. I'm really glad you made this comment and if you see this, I would love to talk about this in better detail and Thank You.
23 likesMost of the ads are just for shitty mobile games
2 likesJust checked your website bro, not bad. Hope neocities and sites like that will at least somewhat revive this kind of stuff.
0 likesad blockers aren't doing shit
0 likesOk furry
1 likeAnd thank the lord for Youtube Vanced!
0 likes@Mattok101 DigitalTamer how does this fix any of YouTube's problems whatsoever
0 likes@Doom58 Basically just the YT app but ad free and has dark mode which is noice
0 likes@Mattok101 DigitalTamer you can just use adblock on pc this doesn't fix anything for youtube itself
0 likes@Doom58 I have no PC.
0 likesThe internet, along with everything else in the pop culture for most people, went downhill because everyone and their mother decided that stating their political opinions was more important than entertaining people. People understood what the entertainment industry was all about (it's in the name of course) but when BLM started in 2013 and when Trump was elected in 2016, everything became part of a ridiculous culture war that doesn't help anything and only serves to make people depressed. I'm not saying that politics isn't important but there's a time and a place for it and we shouldn't expect every living celebrity and entertainer to publicly take part in that discourse.
4 likesGreat job highlighting smooth mcgroove as quality content. i love you emp lemon.
1 likei love your vids and apreciate the hard work and editing you make. i don't care how long they are, for me it just matters if i like them. this is one of the best channels i've come across .
0 likesThe ideal world for is that YouTube stayed as it was in the early 2010s/ late 2000s, I miss the memories of watching ytps and other channels and many of my old favourite channels and videos are either gone off the face of the earth or have gotten so bad and homogenized that I dont even want to look at them anymore. (To make it all short I want old YouTube back and hate how horrible youtube is today)
2 likesDefinitely worth a watch to the end.
778 likesMaking me miss 2008 YouTube.
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Too bad I wasn't at the age for 2008 YouTube, because I was born in the wrong millennium! :,(
9 likesLarry Sicard you have a lot of good vids to catch up on
3 likeslol this video is funny
1 likeHell ya we need a time machine
2 likesJust Salad yeah so we can prevent Susan from gaining control
0 likesi couldn't say it better myself
0 likes@Matthew Champlain Thank you fucking thank you for your comment. I bet most of the young teens or children using the site pretend to be seen as "adult-oriented" or even "mature" to look cool yet they can't even comphrened or believe the golden state of YouTube back in 2008.
2 likesThere are actually kids that believe 2014 to be some sort of golden age, despite the fact that youtube had already gone to shit by that point
2 likesGeeeee8
2 likesCompared to 2019 definitely.
the year prior is always better than the current year when it comes to YouTube.
Still pissed me off. By that point youtube was deep into being cancerous commercial shite.
0 likes@Matthew Champlain it lacks good content the layout is there but at the end of the day a site with a good layout but no content is useless
1 likeI remember I once watched the "drinking out of cups" vid after my friend recommended it to me (for anyone ootl drinking out of cups was a viral video of an animation of a lizard while a guy was rambling, it turned out to be from a music album, but everyone believed it was a guy high on lsd in his closet, we believed it was an insane asylum patient) and I laughed so hard at that I couldn't sleep because my stomach hurt so much. Viral videos used to be fucking amazing.
2 likesI consider 2013-2015 (the era of Google+ Integration) the "Silver Age"
2 likesYoutube hadn't QUITE gone to shit, but it clearly wasn't as good as 2010-2013 (I don't remember being on YouTube before 2010).
We'd be lucky if YouTube even considered taking the criticism their getting, not only from you but also from the countless others who have pointed out the flaws.
3 likes3 1/2 years later and we're still on the same downward spiral.
10 likesGranted I'm not the most sin-free viewer by your metrics, but when I watch a gaming channel, it's because they're good at a game I'm interested in, doing things I can't do myself. Alternatively, it's to find out if a game I might get is worth buying, because Youtube isn't the only thing on a Downward Spiral. And yeah, I do tend to watch reaction videos- of things I've ACTUALLY SEEN so I can enjoy someone else's first encounter with something I like. I don't understand people who consume media for the first time via reactors.
1 likeThank you so much for this video it's giving me the push to start the channel I've been too shy to work on. Also, in defense of WatchMojo, while I do hate all the celebrity vids they do have a lot of content related to science, technology, videogames, and other nerdy shit. Your channel rocks, Emp!!
0 likesI love how EmpLemon knows when to stop fucking with a guy. He's one of the most aware, sane youtubers I've seen.
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G33Tube If he isn't, then I apologize. I just disagree with a few things, but its no biggie. The overall message of the video is great, though.
11 likesNone of this video contain anything political really, just anger against YouTube. Even then your alright mate, just do not think everything is political
22 likesSirRilic Agreed
1 likeRemember what keemstar did, he kept attacking pyro for no reason, and took it so far he said he was dating a 13 year old french girl, calling him a furry, and posting PRIVATE photos of pyro's face when pyro didn't show his face.
3 likesI don't usually like comments but something urged me to give this one.
3 likesThat's not where my issues came in, as i'm not a fan of PC culture in terms of suppressing abrasive art. My issues are claiming that "JonTron said nothing wrong and was just speaking his mind" (buying into borderline racist garbage /pol/ makes up and parroting it is NOT speaking your mind) and buying into the bullshit non-existent "liberal media" meme (There's almost no real American left at all, its either centrist, center of right or so fucking far right, it fell off the cliff entirely). Everything else Lem said I 100% agree with
0 likesthere's plenty of left. Look at social media and mainstream media. They are not an insignificant part of the culture. It seems that you're so immersed in it you just think it's the default.
4 likesAlso Emplemon said he got crucified for speaking his mind, not that what he said was "nothing wrong". Watch the video.
SirRilic true
0 likesBeside me.
0 likesSirRilic He's like the YTP Version of Pyrocynical. Both are very aware and intelligent
6 likes+GasmaskAvenger
2 likes"(buying into borderline racist garbage /pol/ makes up and parroting it is NOT speaking your mind)"
He wasn't literally being racist. He was joking and got taken out of context.
James Armstrong well said. For real, nowadays, people can't draw the line between actual, serious racism and jokes
2 likesTHANK YOU FOR HAVING FINGERS, A KEYBOARD, AND AN ACTUAL BRAIN
0 likesSirRilic that is true
0 likesSirRilic He's not sane he's been on a DOWNWARD SPIRAL
5 likes"I dont have any legit arguement/evidence to put out, so I just call him Nazi/Alt-right to attempt to discredit my target"
4 likeslet me just say that as someone whose probably a normie I really appreciate this content. so many others i'm subscribed to have lost what made them special due to algorithm changes and whatnot. Keep going strong bro
0 likesI'm glad someone actually cares about the state of YouTube right now.
3 likesI'm so happy that I've randomly found you! your content is much appreciated!
3 likesi love emp lemon videos, i just go back and rewatch all his videos in a few days then do it over again, maybe a nerd city vid or two mixed in
1 likeGod I wish I was older so I could've been a YouTuber during the old era, I have so many ideas but low motivation to actually put them to work due to the state of modern day YouTube. It's like, why even bother anymore. It sucks.
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How old are you now also I started watching YouTube in 2012 and it was great and I was 4 now it’s trash
0 likes@Delta Nwachukwu I'm 19 now, finally feel somewhat like I know who I am as a person. In the past I was still unsure of myself, and now that I'm sure the opportunity has passed me by, and I'm just sitting here wishing time travel existed...
5 likes@DeltaFRFX huh interesting now tell me when did you start watching YouTube
0 likes@Delta Nwachukwu I think 2008
0 likes@DeltaFRFX than that means you watched it when it was good YouTube’s peak which was 2005 - 2013 so nothing to worry about
2 likes@Delta Nwachukwu yeah but I wanted to make videos of my own :(
1 like@DeltaFRFX same but in my dad won’t let me he’s strict.
0 likesThis is why i love video essays because there isn't a massive massive crowd of people who make them
0 likesThis is the greatest, most inspiring video I’ve seen in a long while. I’m gonna bring these points up with the group I’m doing an office podcast with
0 likesThis video will never be inaccurate
5 likes29:08
9 likesMy man, I agree with a lot of the general points of this video, but the scandal that JonTron was in around 2017 is not a good example for the point of creators ‘not being allowed to speak their mind.” I agree that creators should generally have a higher degree of open communication with their audience than they do right now, but JonTron said things along the lines of ‘America should stay majority-white’ and other vile shit. Not a great example of “unjustified canceling” or whatever.
The worst part is that no one disagrees. I could scroll for ages and nobody would even try to refute this. Everyone here agrees with this, but it doesn't matter because in the end, we are nothing before the bigger man, the advertizers, politicians, investors, etc. They don't care how wrong they are as long as it brings in money.
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Yep.
0 likesI was genuinely taken aback when he mentioned the date of the video, because he talked about all the same points that are causing trouble today. This video is timeless.
0 likesWell it's finally happened. The dislike button is gone... Dear God...
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Not for me
4 likes@Toad Is Forgotten don't update the app
0 likes@Rupop Ok
0 likesI see it never changing. Youtube became TV because TV works. At least there's niche bubbles of quality, even if they won't get the attention they deserve
2 likesthis applies to every media nothing special. Music and Film have sucked so much in the mainstream like how YouTube suffered right now and I don't think it would changed. Independent content creators making genuine content are just buried by mainstream media which is disgusting
2 likesIt’s kind of crazy that the whole Behind the Meme situation is what caused EmpLemon to change his whole discography of content, although completely reasonable.
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Fucking suck's since I had to completely change my life goals after the entertainment industry became shit that youtube probably started
12 likesBeastars gang
3 likesAlthough it's not a common word, Vidography would more accurate because of the format.
1 likeI love how these people get mad at him for making a 30 minute video. And now, they happily sit though 40+ minute expose videos.
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Youre comment is a little bit confusing so I am going to respond to it a few ways
1 like-"I love how these people dont like gamegrumps make 30min videos, but watch through EMPS 40 minute video"
One is filled with shitty gameplay and the other filled with a great script and editing.
"I love how people get mad at lemon for making a long video, then sit through a 40minute exposed! video"
I agree. :)
Yet somehow it got worse. I just have to wonder why is Youtube THAT incompetent, the only saving grace is we don't have Youtube Heroes, but coming up with that idea alone is baffling.
4 likesThe term “Downward Spiral” has definitely been on a downward spiral
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2 of them
0 likesI've watched this video so many times. If it's a good commentary Ill just watch it like every week
1 likeSo? Why don't we actually do something about this? Our culture at least realizes when some things are "bad", but ignores others. A simple change that happened recently that absolutely nobody talked about, was the change of the layout of the site, changing it to look like a complete carbon copy of google plus. I expected there to be an outcry, at least something about what the change meant on a business perspective, but no. Everyone just went along with it, constantly rewatching the same, boring, shitty content, and thought the site was perfect that way, even though it looked the exact same as something people actually took a stand to leave from, because they recognized it was bad.
1519 likesMy answer? Let the site die. Seriously. The main problem with this site, is that it's run by a megacorporation, AKA google, unlike its early days when it was at the very least, run by smaller corporations that actually cared about what their smart users, or users that weren't 5 actually cared about. The problem with megacorporations, is that they don't care what or who they have to step over to get even more money, although they're already one of, if not the richest company on the planet. They realize two things, and both of these are the only things keeping youtube alive right now:
1. Younger audiences: Youtube/google knows that a large amount of younger audiences watch videos on the site, and gooutube knows that parents of those younger audiences prefer showing their children something to distract them long enough for them to do something important, like go shopping, drive, ect, and go livid when they see something that makes a child think about life, things like seeing death, (Animals hunting other animals, smart shows and movies that show a character die, or a "scary" monster, ect) or watching things dealing with sex or other biological functions, even though they'll get those feelings eventually, but won't have any knowledge or anything on the topic, and won't know a thing about themselves, what they like, or what even to do safely, because parents nowadays just want their children wrapped in a protective bag, filled with nothing but flashy videos, "funny emoji compilations" and so on.
So instead of making a separate site, or using community feedback to change some things to make videos for younger audiences, youtube & google decided to make all content safe for children, even though a majority of their users are at least older than 16, and want something other than "99.9% OF HUMANS CAN'T DO THIS WITH FIDGET SPINNERS FT. ELSA AND SPIDERMAN PLEASE SUBSCRIBE AND LIKE AND SUBSCRIBE" all day every day, and want to be able to think, and actually do something, and support real people making real content that they actually put effort into. If a content creator has one swear in their video, you might as well kiss them goodbye, as youtube/google will make sure they never get an add on one of their videos ever again. Oh, your favorite content creator actually made something shorter than 10 minutes? Might as well have a will written, as their content isn't long enough for their target audience anymore, no more ad revenue for them! Oops, a content creator used 0.001 too long of copyrighted footage in their video, that's a suicide note for the channel, as whoever had the footage to begin with will take down the video, channel, and all the money that creator got from their videos. "Sorry about that :/"
2: They haven't got a clue how society changes in our time: Now that its being owned by a megacorporation, youtube has thrown everything that made it successful out the window. Every animator, ytper, review channel, and anything else that actually needed to have people with braincells to use, is all dead, or at least, nearly there. Instead, youtube & google thought it was a good idea to capitalize on the "bandwagon" that is today's culture. Everything else is simplified? Make it a rule that content has to be carbon copy able, repetitive, bland, and unoriginal. "Gotta stay kool & Hip with those kidz nowadays, this is what 20 year olds talk like, right? Oh wait, they all lied about their ages when making accounts, and are all between the ages of 5 and 15? Let's not change what we got here, we got a good thing going." Everything seems to revolve around memes, fads, and technology? "Quick, we need to change the algorithm to be sure that we stay fresh, only suggest popular videos, not anything older than 3 weeks, who cares if we kill a bunch of channels and ideas in the process, we just need our money now!"
Once again, a megacorporation doesn't have a clue about culture and society, although there are a ton of memes that come and go, the whole thing will eventually fade out, leaving youtube without anything. Somethings are permanent, such as animators and review channels, because there will always be a need for those, people to talk about society as it changes, and talk about how good, or bad things were. Animators as well, as they add creativity back into whatever they post their animations on, as they generally make people think, either about how funny something is, about how weird certain things are, or about how we need to stand up to certain things. If youtube should be supporting anything, it should be those types of channels, as they actually will continue once these things die down. But, youtube, oh wait, I mean google, the company that owns youtube nowadays, only cares about money and add revenue, whatever gets newer people onto the site is all they care about, may as well forget about the older days of youtube, when all you needed was creativity, and an idea, not some mindless concoction that will be forgotten about in a week because something even newer, flashier, and dumber shows up.
And now, we reach the end. What can we do to stop this? Nothing. The only thing we can do, is let the site die, and take care of itself. Eventually, the children the site is pandering to right now will grow up, and want more mature content. Because of the way youtube/google handled the site in our time, there won't be any mature content left, or only a small amount. People will leave the site, which is inevitable, this happens with everything all the time. What we could do, as a community of likeminded people, either animators, ytpers, or even the people who watch the content, is devise our own site, one that fills the niche of the old, pre google youtube, one where people don't have to be silenced due to big brother google wanting children to use the site. One that supports its small channels the same it would support its big channels, to be sure new ideas, and creativity is still being shown, and pushed. There's no need to try to save youtube, as there's no saving it. It's run its course, as all fads do. Although its mimicking TV as a way to out compete it, there's no way it can compete with television, at least not the way it is now. And hey, youtube/google may finally realize some day, that what their doing isn't right, both for the original content creators, the generation that they will have singlehandedly ruined, or their own business. But mark my words, for them to realize that is the day pigs begin to fly, mankind invents the flying car, and we land something onto the sun.
And the worst part is, nobody is going to read this. Nobody is going to understand the importance of this paragraph. Hell, even if it gets like 3 likes, enough to get to the bottom of the comment section, nobody's going to go and read all the way down there. Reading is for nerds nowadays, nobody reads things like these anymore. But you know, there is at least a chance, an almost insignificant one, but a chance I may be able to get this paragraph read, and noticed. Someone may see this and go, "You know, he's right. Maybe we should just abandon ship, find a new place, as its the smartest thing to do right now." But it won't. I don't mind, but it won't. That's just the facts as they are
EDIT: Okay so I guess people are sentient enough to actually sit down and take the time to read this, so disregard the last paragraph
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You are the smartest person on this site.
133 likesSadly that won't happen because like was said most of the viewers are Kids or completely brain dead. People with the competence to just let it die, would not have an impact. Unless you mean we just watch it's downwards spiral into trash TV. In which case aren't we already doing that?
120 likesXavier Horn Well fucking said, you deserve more upvotes.
71 likesXavier Horn agreed
30 likes+The Gunslinger I was referring to us making another video service, one that caters to users who actually have a brain, while the rest of the youtube users can watch their content while it slowly dies over the course of as soon as like in the video, 5 years or so. Basically, I meant that us users with brains would need to abandon ship, and swim to shore, before the boat sinks
68 likesAye
22 likesGood comment
takes a deep breath and preapares mentally to read this all
39 likes+Xavier Horn Uh, I just read this, and while my brain hurts, I think you did a good job. But we all know we're not going to abandon ship just yet, because...well...where would we go? Vimeo? Dailymotion? None of those will ever reach such heights as YouTube. Well, maybe they eventually might, but it would take a while.
60 likescries
20 likeswell,that's right.
51 likesYoutube's worst mistake was to make the site a huge kid's sandbox. Really,most of youtube's users are kids nowadays,and youtube seems to be absolutely ok with it. Why? Because kids are kids,you can give to them whatever the fuck you want (at the condition that it is "*family friendly*) and they'll enjoy it, even if it's made with the least efgord possible,and that's what google exactly wanted from youtube, earn money as fast as possible with the lowest amount of effort possible. Now,that the adpocalypse happened, youtube is trying to piss off the channels that are supposed to entertain people above 9 years old, and this is the end of the original youtube,of how it used to be
+Fletcher Reed Although financially I can not right now, what I proposed was to make a new site in general, one that specifically caters to "outsiders" such as animators, newer content creators, ytpers (Although it would have to be called something else, since they aren't on youtube anymore) and so forth. It makes it easier, and better for those people to find a living. Besides revenue collected from some sources, you could donate directly to the people you watch, and a like or view would actually mean something, as opposed to here on youtube
29 likesFletcher Reed maybe twitch
11 likesWow
0 likesDidn't read, but still gave you a like because you put alot of effort into your comment
10 likesIs there a way to favourite comments? Because fuck me, that was probably the most accurate analysis of this website that I've ever read.
32 likesEveryone boycott
YouTubeGoogle and head over to Vimeo, I've heard they could do with some more viewers...Xavier Horn that was as buetiful as the grand canyon
7 likes"Why is the comment too long? Why can't you just surmise your analytical and deeply detailed comment into something even a 3rd grader will understand? Why can't you just pander to the majority who would rather be unchallenged and entertained?"
56 likes-The people EmpLemon was talking about
As I said, if we jump ship we mine as well start 24/7 threads in /pol/ and /bant/ and link the video files there.
6 likesXavier Horn My god, I agree with you. I want to change things, I'm sick and tired of YouTube and Society. They have become desensitized to everything and yet try to censor. Although having our own site will be extremely difficult because there will be no incentive to actually go to that site. "What is this site doing that YT isn't?" is the main problem and having Exclusive Content seems to be the best choice but then again you'll have to pay for it and even then it may not suit the styles of the majority. Honestly, YT will never die out and we can't do anything at least at the moment...
21 likesXavier Horn People it's are getting lower and lower so it's unlikely youtube will die
5 likesIs anyone else thinking that it would be cool if newgrounds attempted to take youtube's eventually vacant spot?
19 likesPoison Dart
21 likesYou really think they'll do anything about it though?
Not to shoot down your idea or anything, because there's a small chance they could actually listen, but the last time I recall something similar happening (cough GradeAUnderA's"Make YouTube Great Again" movement cough),
YoutubeGoogle did fuck all.The only result was Grade's inflated ego because his hashtag got mentioned in a tweet.
Xavier Horn A+
2 likesIf all the gaming channels move to twitch they will not only make more money but 50% of youtube's ad milking will be completely gone. It'll send them a message and give us an easier time of jumping ship to a new site.
18 likesCIA really?
1 likeMageBurger yesss
0 likesSpencerAnimatics
6 likesThat's... actually a really good point.
Well, time to spread the word I guess.
To quote MST3K,
4 likes"ABANDON TOY! ABANDON TOY!"
+Tajealos Exactly my point. From past experiences we know youtube/google to have done absolutely nothing, (In some cases make it even worse) in response to anyone trying to convince youtube to save itself. I thought about making another site, but several people commenting here are correct, both Twitch and Newgrounds likely would be good enough to either evolve into the next youtube, or allow us to survive until the next site that is hospitable comes around
8 likesThe thing is, many people are ingrained into this website, and moving to another site would be quite difficult.
10 likesYeah, this won't happen. YouTube's got all this history and if we tried to create a new site that was like the old YouTube, we'd still not have the same content as YouTube has.
9 likesAs long as there are 2 year olds there will be youtube
5 likesXavier Horn his comment was as long as this video, gj :D
3 likeswall of text
1 likethe one thing you’re wrong about in this essay is you stated that “people won’t read this”, but now you have 272 likes and nearly 30 replies.
14 likesYou are so right, it's scary.
5 likesBest comment.
4 likesGoogle is just absolute shit nowadays i hope this site dies and they go bankrupt
6 likesTruly a thought worthy if an Emplemon comment section. Take my thumbs up, you beautiful magnificent bastard.
14 likesXavier Horn this is the YouTube equivalent to colonizing mars
7 likesYou know why Youtube is on a downward spiral. Money. The fucking second Youtube started paying people when they made videos on this site is when it all became like The Simpsons. Creativity went down and people have no other choice because they make money no matter how bad they do on a video. Getting sick of this shit.
14 likesXavier Horn A lot of people need to watch this to understand the problems with YouTube especially GradeA UnderA.
2 likes+Xavier Horn, I totally agree but we need a plan if we want to do anything. I suggest we make a page somewhere,
8 likeslike redit, where we gain traction and plan further. We will need emp's, as well as others with influence, help to cast a net over as many outsiders and good content creators as possible without getting many of the YouTube scum. Then, once we get enough people on board, we can move to a site like twitch, as we wait for a new website, and use tags (like [YT]Namegoeshere) to find each other and so we don't disturb the website. How we would make short videos and comment on them on twitch, I do not know. In the meantime, if a new site takes to long to surface we can start a campaign on a site like kick starter. Of course this is only an idea, but a good place to start.
MageBurger I hope that Newgrounds will keep being relevant, I'm some way or another, I watched this video yesterday and now I realized that Newgrounds is the better option for someone like me who's going into animation, compared to YouTube, since I would probably never get noticed anyway.
7 likesUr boi Gerald Try out Vidme. They are probably the closest we're going to get to old YT. They openly make fun of YT too.
6 likestop 10 anime plot twists: this comment gets the top comment, and i read the whole thing.
10 likesshould we abandon ship and find a new site? maybe? yes? we just need a site that's stable enough to handle lengthy and high quality videos
Xavier Horn unfortunately it seems in our day and age, Corporate culture has infected most all forms of media, whether it be youtube and other streaming sites or networks of TV, Videogames, Movies, even Weebo Garbage (that i very much enjoy) etc. It seems as though the struggle of the thinking peoples of society, or just those who aren't so inept that they can't crave deeper content, is to simply work for your enjoyment, with the garbage drowning out what good there is, the burden is placed on us to hunt for the quality ourselves, because in the case of YT dying in a few years or so down the line, YT is just the surface behind the problem, it's just the face of corporate corruption, which seems to be almost an inevitable eventuality for most forms of media, and so if some golden savior of quality were to come around, their success would likely eventually corrode back to where we are now with corporate culture decaying good content, so on and so forth for eternity.
11 likesThe only real way to work around this is to do the heavy lifting of hunting for that content we all desire so deeply for ourselves, costs too much time money and energy for the souless husks of businessmen uptop to want to do that for us anymore (if they ever really did in the first place)
This is by far the longest comment I have ever seen mass-upvoted on a YouTube comment section. Wow.
8 likesKromonex maybe, but I think it's a good idea for me to start off on Newgrounds,and then maybe branch off to another site.
5 likesGreat, admirable article.
15 likesI assume you are self aware.
Of course we can't do anything, that's why we never see paragraphs the length (I'm considering this as an article) of my friend's writing exam final. We keep it to ourselves and watch it play out, while also knowing whatever we say will be blown away like sand in the desert.
I'm glad you shared your thoughts
Peridot The Crystal Clod Do what you want. I'm not stopping you.
2 likesXavier Horn Thank for reading me the entire HARRY POTTER SERIES
2 likesBoi, i just found a top comment that isn't complete cancer.
11 likesLtVaultBoiii lol
0 likesYou're saying let this site die and this site "doesn't know how society changes in our time" and "It's run by kids"
8 likesHere are my counterarguments:
1. Were are just a minority of people who can actually think independently, there's more of them than us, this site wouldn't've flourished if THEY, sheeple, extroverts were the minority.
2. This site will continue on growing. As this site gets more popular, more sheeple and extroverts and kids will come here than ever before, because "Hey! It's where all of the other people are, so it must be good", it's JUST like the snowball effect. The YouTubers won't go anywhere since most of their core audiences are here and will not be willing to move.
3. YouTube doesn't know how society changes, but the content creators do. I don't think it's YouTube who's creating the content, but the society, the thing YouTube "doesn't understand." If something on YouTube changes, people will adapt to it. And continue on with their lives. Hell, look how many changes YouTube has gone through and it's still better than ever before, it's only going to keep on expanding.
SUMMARY:
YouTube will most likely not die out and will continue on flourishing with the "snowball effect", bringing in more kids and more sheep. And if by the off chance it would, if people would move to somewhere like Vimeo, the revenue would be multiple times worse than that on YouTube and would probably have to get a job and upload less frequently or just quit entirely. YouTube is the best video streaming site and will probably stay that way for a long time, even with it's multiple flaws.
Great comment. Alright boys it's official, we have to let this site burn. Like all good things that we once loved we have to say goodbye. Maybe pornhub will take Emp's content.
7 likesAs a 24-year-old white male in 2017, growing up after the housing bubble and living in the shitty economic times that we do now, it's really hard to not think of the end result when making videos. Just knowing that I won't grow in any significant way, and seeing everyone else be so much more popular than I can probably ever hope to achieve, destroys any drive I might have to create videos. If I'm not spending time dedicated to a 9-5 job, it feels like a waste.
5 likesI love youtube, I really do. I've been using it primarily for entertainment for years. However, what you said is true. It's just time to sit back and let this site slowly eliminate itself because of its own greed. There's no saving it at this point, they aren't going to listen to what we say. As long as they're making money from all of this advertiser friendly content that's just spoon fed to children, they have no reason to.
9 likesXavier Horn way to fuking long
0 likesXavier Horn Honestly, I couldn't agree more. YouTube -- I mean, Google won't change on its own. WE have to start a new site. As you said, YouTube is beyond saving.
7 likes+Xavier Horn That's actually a really good idea.
3 likesWe need to start a new site, and ditch this one, if we start something new, than we can do whatever we want. We don't even have to pay anyone. If we do this, we will have complete control over the site, and we could make just like old YT, No one can stop us.
7 likes+rllok
2 likesIf only it was that easy... The sad truth is, there's really nothing we can do.
Xavier Horn too long, summarize it as, we will sadly never reach the goal of making YouTube great again
0 likesDead GamΞr welp, we only have two choices now, move to another site, or stay here and slowly rot and decay
6 likesNow that we got that out of the way, we can discuss the actual topic of the comment
3 likesThe thing is... how can we make a competitor to youtube? We would need to organize a mass exodus with all the users, and it would require the support of all the channels, and we would need a site able to handle that.
5 likes+MegaSuperab
2 likesDid you even bother to read his comment? I suggest that you actually do, as he brings up an amazing point.
We can't, but if it gets to be more bullshit than what we can tolerate, or as OP said, loses touch with its younger fans as they grow up, Youtube will fall out of favor. From that point, it's just a matter of someone passable stepping up to the plate, and woosh. Cycle begins anew, maybe better overall next time.
4 likesI started watching youtube videos back in 2007-2008 when I was a tiny little kid. I always enjoyed gaming content. All we had at the time was a Wii so Super Smash Bros Brawl was the coolest thing for me at the time. I watched whatever came up when I searched "super smash bros brawl". Whatever came up on the side of the video would be something original, interesting, unique, and I was always fascinated to see whatever was on the site. These were just videos put up from a guy who would pick up his camera and start recording. Not only did I find the entertainment side of youtube, but I also found the technical side. Finding an easy video tutorial for a video game was the best. Sometimes I would even watch the youtuber's series of tutorials or them playing through a whole game. It was then that I got into lets plays. Keep in mind that these weren't what you think today when you hear "lets play". They didn't even have a custom thumbnail, an intro or even the uploader saying "subscribe". It was just random kids fucking around in a video game with their friend while commentating, and I loved it. I was inspired. When I got my first youtube channel (about 2 or 3 years later) I started filming my dog, my video games and anything I wanted to show to the world. I didn't care about views, all I cared about was putting fun content out. Over time youtube started becoming unhealthily ad focused, and as I got a new channel and started uploading gaming videos, I noticed changes. Standards were being made. Youtube seemed alot less person oriented, and probably the biggest red flag was the removal of "broadcast yourself" from the logo. There was a shift occuring, youtube saw an opportunity, and this is when the focus towards ads started taking action, however I was still little and I enjoyed any content following my favorite topics. Only until 2015, was when I noticed problems. This site was stale as fuck. Luckily, channels like Leafy, Pyro, keemstar, Idubbz, H3h3, and filthy frank were on the rise. They were something different. maybe because I'm "edgy" but they appealed to me. They were shifted towards an older audience, and like EmpLemon stated regarding old youtube, they weren't afraid to blast their opinion. This is probably when I fell back into youtube, and enjoyed all the "drama" that unfolded. Some say it was bad at the time, but it did create excitement, which was what I was interested in. When adpocalypse shutdown people from not being "kid friendly" it think that's what caused the final "kick" that made youtube a shithole again. Not that it wasn't terrible, but do they need to keep digging the hole deeper? what's next? Of course, what do I know? I'm just some clueless guy on his computer.
9 likesGod, that rant felt good.
Xavier Horn You, my friend, deserve a trophy for being one of the few smart people left on this site.
2 likesI can't agree with you more, I've always thought that there is no way to fix this fuckin site and it needs to die, I'm sure something else can replace it, all big corporations don't give a flying fuck about anything except money and ways they can make it faster, that's just how all big corporations are... Valve, Google, and a lot of the AAA Gaming companies don't give a fuck about quality, its just about the money despite the fact that they are some of the richest people on the planet.
3 likesHey Patwizard, I produce gaming content (see channel name). As an outsider, which you clearly are, I'd like for you to take a look at my channel and tell me if its bad. (Actually I wouldn't mind if other outsiders would take a sec and look at my channel) Because the last thing I want to do is put out normified content. I want to make good stuff. I know my style won't be the same as that which you watched in 2008 but if you wouldn't mind just giving me some comparative insight between my channel, other gaming channels today, and those from the good ol days.
1 likeMaybe we should make an alliance of video sites, called the "Central Powers" of Video Sites. That way, this alliance can invade sites that are slowly dying (PocketMovies?) and then involve a war where we could possibly end all of these years of YouTube's horribleness forever. Or at least until someone fucks it up again.
4 likesUnknow0059 # we don't need everyone to leave. Users don't need to leave the site completely, they can upload on both sites or stay here. they don't have to move, and we don't need everyone to move, only the people who want to
3 likesrllok, while what you're saying is true, we should keep in mind that we need a strong force of not just quality but a decent amount of numbers to make something work. Really what we need is a webpage where we (and by we I mean outsiders) can all brainstorm solutions to get rid of this epic disaster
3 likesBrawlukk Gaming I agree, I think that we need a decent amount of quality workers to work on this. But my question is about how we will acquire a webpage for discussion, maybe we can start a page on Reddit or something like that
2 likesrllok that may be a good idea, but there's two things. One: I'm not good at that stuff. I'm only good at video making/editing. Two how do we get enough people to get together at the same time and focus? I could maybe make a video on my channel if we got a webpage going and I could try to pull people into it, but I'm a small channel and hardly anyone would see it.
2 likes+Voult Bioy I believe I can answer each of those counterarguments, at least it isn't some mindless comment about youtube being the god of video services
4 likes1. My point exactly, people in history have always had minorities, people from different cultures that live(d) in places with a majority of another culture, scientists and artists have (had) different ideas on how to make certain things, or how things got to different places and the like, and now, differing likes for types of content. I wasn't meaning that we make a site for the majority, as there are plenty of sites and places in the world for them to do that already. I was suggesting something more like a hobby, a site where animators can upload videos and perhaps even make a profit, or film/game/tv reviewers can have a place to do it safely, unlike here on gootube. Historically, "outsiders" like us, have always had to make their own places, or do their own things separately from the "normies". People are going to have a cow when I say this, but take Jews that were in Europe historically. A majority of the people living in Europe were Christians, either Catholic and otherwise, and Jews had to put up with being mistreated by Christians, that believe(d) they were right (Which I am NOT going to get into, as I do not want this comment train to derail into which religion is the right religion).
2. You're right about this site continuing to grow, in fact, that's necessary to the point I was making. Like you put it, this site is in the snowball effect right now, where it is rolling down a mountain, collecting more and more snow as it goes on. Eventually though, even the highest mountain has a bottom, and once a snowball hits the bottom, it can only roll for so much longer, as it is no longer gaining momentum, not even mentioning the chance of the snowball landing on a surface on the mountain or getting stuck. Eventually, even the biggest things, both on the internet and real life, have an end. Gootube right now is nowhere near close to the bottom, or anything to snag on (Sadly), but it will eventually. It's better to at least have the option for people to be able to have their content elsewhere, so once it does hit the bottom, probably years from now, they can still be seen, or have at least some attention. And even then, TV is another good example of this. TV has had its ups and downs over the years, right now it is stable, perhaps declining a tiny bit more because of the internet. TV historically went through that snowball effect like crazy, in the US it was an increasingly common household item, and people were inspired by it, either went out to do good things because of it (Or bad things), or wanted to become an actor, but when the internet came around, specifically sites like the old YouTube, TV started declining again, for the reasons stated in the video, why would you pay to watch shows that aren't even good, when for free you can watch better content made by real people. TV continued its decline until it finally picked up a bit more momentum when it got creative again, people had a reason to go and buy cable, which jumpstarted what we like to call "Gootube TV/Kids". Not going to go more indepth on this one unless people want me to, but that's when Gootube started to get worse than it was in my opinion.
3. Exactly my point, Gootube hasn't the slightest clue on who to support and put in the limelight. Take a channel like Behind the Meme for instance, Gootube likes their content indirectly because he abuses a few important things on most of his videos:
Easily replicated
Kid friendly
Loyalty free music
The only thing he's missing is making them around 10 minutes long (Which I shudder to think about). Gootube also thinks things like the toy channels, and spiderman x elsa channels are fine for the same reasons. Since a lot of children lie about their age when making their accounts, Gootube thinks that 16-21 year olds actually like that kind of content, even though people very clearly within that age group in real life hate it. Take someone like Pewdiepie, who still is a large gootuber. A lot of people liked him, so gootube gave him a show, supported him, gave him a lot of stuff, and so on. But when those videos came out, (I feel like I don't have to explain, we all know what I mean) Gootube jumped on the bandwagon to make sure they didn't loose money for having an apparent "racist" being supported on their site, although they knew him from the start, and likely knew it was a joke in poor taste, thus leading us to the censorship we now have to deal with today.
And one last note, the ending to your statement is actually misguided, I have yet to check it yet, but I'm fairly confident that if one were to move to Twitch, they'd actually make more money than they would here on Gootube, especially if gootube tried to censor/block their revenue from going to them. Ask +SpencerAnimatics, as they were the one to give me the information
+Dead GamΞr I have yet to fact check it, so it could be wrong (Like almost everything on the internet nowadays), but you would actually make more money by using Twitch rather than gootube, not mentioning the added censorship and lack of add revenue channels would get. You probably weren't around at that point, but the original YouTube wasn't about getting money. It was a place where people could upload videos, talk about things, and the like. It became the way we know it now, once money was added, as people now (And when money was added) thought it was an easy way to get free money, which Gootube is supporting. There's no point in trying to save the old YouTube, as Gootube has become the only thing left, only a shell of what YouTube used to stand for.
5 likesAnd to answer your last response, take a look at G+ right now, and tell me if the text and layout of the comment section looks any different from the text and layout of G+. It's almost the exact same, and Gootube knows that. They're trying to force feed you G+, on the only service they know people will use. There's no need for hate, I just thought people would have noticed that. And hey, if you like the layout, there's nothing wrong with that, enjoy it. Just remember a site that looked eerily similar to the layout/text got tons and tons of hate while Gootube does the same thing and has absolutely no repercussions
Brawlukk Gaming true, but I think the closest we'll get to having an actual webpage, would be using google sites. Than all we need are people willing to do shit and focus.
2 likesrllok we might as well give it a shot and start while we can. U know how to set that up? I have a feeling people will slowly start to help us. Remember Emplemon talking about how Filthy Frank was only praised by a small fringe minority who craved more mature content, but a year later he became a much larger influence on YT? This could be a parallel to that scenario. Also I'm suggesting that we give this a shot, because I'm not one to just talk about things; I try to get them done.
2 likesBrawlukk Gaming ok, I'll try to do something, it's not gonna be top quality, but it will be the best I can do
2 likesrllok that's all we need. We just need something. But once the ball gets rolling... the revolution will begin and we will fight back!
2 likesSpeaking of content creator friendly sites, I was thinking of something like Tapas
2 likes+Xavier Horn
3 likesNot really gonna argue with you on that last part. The only reason I said that was just as a shitty joke, anyway. The only reason I do enjoy it is because of the dark theme, and literally nothing else.
But yes, you do have a great point with how YouTube was originally never about money (I was around for that, but I was in my late years of elementary, so I don't really remember very well). Thing is, though, there's not another platform to which we can move if we want to simply upload videos. Yes, we do have... uh... well, I'll get back to you on some examples, but there aren't many public video sharing websites that are as popular as YouTube (Gootube? GooTube? G+Tube? Ah, forget it), and that may be a major roadblock in being able to enjoy watching videos in the same way that we enjoyed watching YouTube.
hey rllok ma fam any luck/progess/hope yet?
1 likeBrawlukk Gaming it's finished
2 likesrllok awesome! now u gonna share a link and/or whats the next step in this process?
1 like+rllok Really? Post a link, I want to see it! Maybe we can spread the word, it won't compare to gootube in terms of making money, but we can at least make an effort to provide a safe, non-censored place for animators, film reviewers, and ytpers
3 likesXavier Horn that's great n all but lets just see what he's got before we get everybody's hopes up. We'll check out this thing and chat about it among the few of us for a while. When we feel the time is right we'll fully let it out of the bag and start to gather more followers. But the last thing we need right now is a mass exodus of sheep and a few men who know nothing about shepherding trying to lead them all.
1 likeXavier Horn what time zone r u guys in btw? its midnight where I am. I gonna "GO TO BED" rn actually
2 likes+Brawlukk Gaming As of writing this it is almost 8:00 am for me
1 likeBTW, he66ll0 (Or Meme Lord) Is me, just on a personal account, cause the account i'm on right now is a family account
1 likei also don't know if the link works
1 likethe eclipse was okay where I was. South eastern Ohio only got about 90% coverage so it didn't get very dark or cold or anything.
1 likeBrawlukk Gaming same
1 likerllok, LINK or NAME OF WEBPAGE PLZ???!!!
1 likeBrawlukk Gaming I posted the link twice, I'm not sure if it's public tho
1 likerllok alright. its not public then cause i dont see it. Can u just type it in letter by letter and ill just copy and paste it?
1 likeBrawlukk Gaming I'll try, but not now, it's 10:39 we're I am
1 likerllok oh yeah? bruh its midnight where I am!
1 likeReply if you accessed it
1 likeBrawlukk Gaming I'll email you from another account
1 likerllok alright thx that's an awesome start for a website!
1 likeBrawlukk Gaming thanks, but did the link work?
1 likerllok Yes and u should probably email it to Xavier Horn as well. and btw... I SUBSCRIBED!!!
1 likeBrawlukk Gaming ok, all we need is Xavier Horns email, and thank you for subs, I subbed back
1 likerllok sounds good and thx SOOO much, but I start school tomorrow and I must sleep. Thanks again for the subs and I hope Xavier Horn replies soon. How about we also move our conversation to the website discussion room in the future?
2 likesBrawlukk Gaming ok, I also have school tomorrow, I'm looking forward to talking with you on the website, thanks for the support
1 likeAlright, I am here. Will send it to you in a second, seems like a good thing we're doing here
1 likeXavier Horn who did you send it to?
1 like+rllok Someone will probably have to send it to me, as I did not see anything that enabled me to send it. Probably just add spaces to the letters in the URL and share it here, so others can see as well
1 likeXavier Horn ok
1 likelol this comment section is probably longer than the video script itself
4 likesbut that's none of my business
3 likesYou know, he's right. Maybe we should just abandon ship, find a new place, as its the smartest thing to do right now.
4 likesIn all seriousness, I agree with you 100%, good sir.
Master of Nothing I want you to read this post I made about that topic on a new website that was just created by rllok. If you could get him to email the link to you, you could read it and let me know what you think. But we need people like you to help us with this situation! THE SHIP IS SINKING!!!
2 likesI'm not sharing the link for two reasons:
1.) It's not my place.
2.) I want to keep it a strictly outsider website.
I am planning to make my own on Tor, but I need help on how to host it.
3 likesWell said my dude, well fucking said
2 likesIt's really just a vicious cycle, people won't leave YouTube, meaning a creator leaving would be a death sentence which means they make more content for this site which again keeps viewers here
4 likesThen, what was the point of "Youtube Kids"
2 likes+WaTcHdOg TeRmInAtEd Probably just to remind parents that "Hey! You want something for your kids? Well bring em in, let them watch whatever!" So parents will naturally assume that the entire site is meant for kids, and then bring in the add revenue. Again, they're competing with TV (Which they're bound to lose) so they also would have to have another site to upload things for children literally less than 5 years old.
3 likes+rllok Can I see the link I want to at least see if I can help.
2 likesI also decided to Create a subreddit called BetterYoutube that we can use to Discuss deeper into this.
2 likesNew JerseyMapper, share your email with rllok and he'll give it to you. I think
1 likeNew JerseyMapper in in the replies, you can find it there
1 likeXavier Horn
3 likesI liked the comment and it said i couldn’t. Youtube is really about to die
nice comment
2 likesthat was longer than the last essay i wrote!
...impressive
rllok I'm curious, could you send a link so I can check this site out as well?
2 likesXavier Horn I read it.
3 likesPetition to call the new site OurTube? Like, "It's not YOUR tube anymore, corporate. This is OUR tube."
4 likesFletcher Reed VID. Me?
0 likesSeems like a good thing you guys are doing here, by any chance could I get the link? I'd like to see what the site has come to be so far.
2 likesHere's the problem though; where do we go?
3 likesMagnum BadGuy, we have a website. ask rllok for details.
1 likeHaven Barrow, ye please join us. ask rllok for details. I'd like for you to read my post in the discussion forum. It needs to be discussed
2 likesXavier Horn Cheers
1 like" even though a majority of their users are at least older than 16, and want something other than '99.9% OF HUMANS CAN'T DO THIS WITH FIDGET SPINNERS FT. ELSA AND SPIDERMAN PLEASE SUBSCRIBE AND LIKE AND SUBSCRIBE' all day every day, and want to be able to think..."
2 likesYou're giving 16 year-olds -- no, humanity in general -- a little bit too much credit there.
+ChillTerumi Yeah you're right, they want "Funny crash bandicoot woah compilations part 1 funny vine videos"
3 likesHey guys i just found this amazing comment, don't worry I can now keep track of the replies and express my opinions now that I've replied. For now I'll just lend my ears to you.
2 likesI completely agree with your sentiment on children's "protective bag". Children perhaps shouldn't be shocked or shown things that may disturb them before they can understand, but if they are sheltered completely these things - like death, sex, and every more specific form of difficult or serious human experience - will hit them like a frying pan to the face. I wouldn't be surprised if it contributes to depression... especially along with the responsibilities and expectations burdened at an earlier age.
3 likesClassic children's literature didn't shy away from death, and suffering, and fear. It wasn't Game of Thrones, but giving a rounded idea of life's experiences is important.
Anyway, thank you for writing your long comment.
Xavier Horn Holy shit that was a great comment. Cheers to all of it. Well said.
1 likeYou are Right Xavier Horn
2 likesBut Maybe just MAYBE Someone makes an alternative version of Youtube but the name is different and the algorithm is also different
Edit: There is
hey rllok! what happened to the site? It seems dead! we need people, content, and stuff!
2 likesXavier Horn I agree with this whole post(yes, I read it all.), so keep it up and continue to be woke
0 likesWe should call it "Saturn Video," as it'll basically be godly. Also, it's possible that we may have to use the DarkNet.
0 likesThis probably been said by a lot of people, but I like to point this out. The only way I can TRULY see all of this happening is that the big shots that made youtube, finally leave. Then create a domino effect where all the others follow. All it takes is Pewdiepie to say [Snaps finger] "I'm not doing Youtube anymore", and everything will start falling into place slowly. Especially if there's a true rival to match up to not just youtube's ways, but THE CLASSIC way of Youtube. I'm talking going all out. Bringing back custom features in pages, streams sharing videos with your friends. Add that with streaming? Networks can still do their thing, but there's hardly NO restrictions like classic Youtube had!? It's a pipe dream, but something like that will fucking give Youtube the knock out punch, and truly kill it within months, MySpace style.
2 likesThere's just one problem that kinda pisses me off but make sense..... People either not gonna leave for nostalgia, and still believe.... Or people just don't and are terrified to lose the money, and look for outside jobs again. They're too settled in to go back to that life, that they don't wanna risk it. and if the viewer's heroes don't wanna do it, why should they? I don't mean branching out and having videos on multiple sites. No. THEY WALK, AND UPLOAD STRICTLY AWAY FROM YOUTUBE. Cause the MOMENT they post something on Youtube, it's a sign that says "everything is okay." when it's not. The viewers can make a huge change, but it's not gonna go anywhere if the content creators are staying in the same spot saying to themselves "No it's okay, youtube better than ever. Youtube can fix their shit. Youtube ca-" i tell them to shut their face cause there is no hope.
Youtube lost it soul the minute the creators gave it to Google. I just wish they make a NEW version of Youtube where everyone can flock to there. It's not even worth the rant anymore. There's amazing talent still ready to be seen. However we can't see them anymore on Youtube unless it's a rare chance. They can keep their corporate hungry ghost of a website, and kill it by turning it into television. I just want a new youtube like site to finally see shit get wild again.
When you're forced to adjust your content to appeal,
that's when you lost the heart to make your works special.
That's what I always believe in.
All you need to do is add the channel networking feature (maybe even make them via a system similar to Nationstates++'s puppeting), and I'll use that shit in no time.
0 likesJust read through this entire comment and reply chain. I'm very glad I did. This 'by the intellectual for the intellectual' type of site is what we need. Anyway, I agree with the rest of the points made.
3 likesI wanted to make a animated series on this site for many years but due to the way the site is right now and the fact my animations won't get any recognition makes me want to quit what's the point of your goal if it won't even come true? This sucks
0 likesThis is the best comment on any website in human history
1 likeThis comment could be it's own YouTube video.
1 likeXavier Horn if only people would actually follow through with the plan
0 likesYouTube killed my hopes and dreams of ever making a animated series
0 likesThis is the longest comment I’ve ever seen
1 like@TerrorByte newgrounds is kinda dead nowadays though the recent most viewed videos only get mabye 10,000-20,000 views
0 likes@Unknow0059 we dont need all of YouTube's users did you read the damn comment? It's only for the youtubers who care about making good content and let YouTube rot out
0 likesGod bless you Xavier, you should start a YouTube rant channel, you are very well informed and well spoke.
0 likesI agree with a lot of what you said but I still think this is just hopeless because of the nature of humans and corporations. This is a bitter and probably overly broad post, but the vast majority of people in my experience are just fine with the Internet, only use YouTube very casually, generally have low standards, don't like to ask for more because that means there are issues and people don't like even thinking about issues even within a selfish bubble.
1 likeBut people don't know how much better things used to be, they probably wouldn't care for a lot of the old "weirder" stuff that isn't made for a broad audience anyway, they just start YouTube on their phone alongside other crap, they don't complain about how dumb the content on this site is so it's just fine for them, they're used to being advertised to, they're used to rolling over to the point they just claim most things in life "aren't bad" or "don't matter" if they even know what's happening, they don't wanna stand up nor do they have much power either (rallies can sometimes stop bad shit, but it's ineffectual way way way too often and tires people out before the next attempt by corp/government), and if the site dies (lol) then we'll get another one that just gets seized by corporations, ads and pandering (might even be worse as the corporations would be there at its inception).
Plus, if YouTube dies the "normies" will have to go somewhere, so they'll probably just infect a theoretical replacement site and again, things would end the same way.
At least on current YouTube we also have some legacy content, a lot of which would probably be completely wiped with the website and not archived or made way more difficult to find.
Because of this and since I don't think a new site would be better, I'd rather just have YouTube stay the big name than have it die and be replaced by the same thing.
The only hope IMO is to have a smaller video site for outsiders with more mature content and way less filtering- a smaller one, not really alongside or competing against YouTube because such a site would be more niche, but there for people to use. One that's big enough to actually have a userbase and good content but small enough that "normies" won't know about it and be pandered to, clogging up or degrading such a site toward YouTube's current state. I have no idea how it would sustain itself, because even with a smaller userbase, videos use a lot of space and video sites are probably really expensive and difficult. IIRC we don't know if YouTube itself is actually profitable to Google.
Or some sort of site that let you catalog kinds of content and properly sorted and recommended good YouTube content and maybe had a good space to discuss it would work. One that would encourage more personality, more real connections and be more open to "weird" content. Obviously it couldn't do every video, and it would be a fuck ton of work, but who knows. I feel enough people wouldn't use that though.
As Emp said, if you want more than 3 views you better post it to YT. We can all abandon ship, but that’s not gonna change anything but make things worse for ourselves
0 likesMaking a new site is an amazing idea. But we need coordination and support. Sadly, the community its too comfortable on this website and really wont help nor support any kind of new website, they dont like change, including youtubers
2 likesJesus Christ that was long, but yeah, I read it all. Some of us Youtube consumers are still not braindead, apparently.
0 likesThank you
0 likesBecause we atleast know basic english.
0 likesAnd we aren't the ones with the heads in the cloud. They are.
The cloud's are opaque. You can't see when the floor collapses.
I'm 14
What really sucks is that things have only gotten worse as times have changed. Now the mega megacorp has tried to destroy every user that isn't toxic in their portrayal of everything. The toxicity of the site has only gotten worse, and the SHINING example is YouTube rewind 2018. The disgusting amalgamation of corporate figures and pandering shows just how out of touch the business is with its products and consumers. It really is sad, but a new site is bound to rise, and honestly, I hope it rises soon.
2 likes@A Pair of Upside Down Dragonfruits I hope so too I always wanted to be able to be a popular GOOD youtuber like oneyng back in the day but probably wont happen guess I'll have to be a factory worker or kms
2 likesSomeone should buy you a beer and some fried chicken.
0 likesIt's the worst with the 12 and under audience. At least current early teens were around in the good days and remember a lot of the quality, whilist the sub-teens were either born during/after the good times and so don't remember them, or were so young they don't remember anything before 2012.
0 likesImpossible
0 likesTldr kek
0 likesI really think more people need to read that. Nobody does YouTube to have fun anymore, they only do it just to get paid and so the majority of content isn’t fun to watch.
1 like@gl1tchygreml1n| Unless they are content creators who want to make videos for fun but work is getting in the way and they need to balance their fun hobby with recieving income. Getting paid from YouTube must be really convenient in that kind of scenario.
1 likeWhat a huge fucking wall-o-text
0 likes@MalekitGJ still worth a read even if its talking about a unattainable goal like my Hope's and dreams
1 likeI liked your 2 year old comment because it is still somehow applicable in 2019 youtube.
0 likesIf only there was more competition...
1 like@Mecha9 Sadly true, but one day I hope we don't have this dumb system. I mean, even when boomers and corporations are running these companies, they'll have to eventually give up their jobs to us millennials. If YouTube is still active in the next 30 years or so, it might be more different.
1 like@Mecha9 Yez
0 likesGuys, take a look at d.tube
0 likesGuys, take a look at vlare .tv
0 likesyt isnt for profit really, its a deficit on google, however it offers great influence which is what they want to enact sociopolitical change they want
1 likeYou’re about right. There’s only one thing I disagree with is that the site for a large part revolves around fads.
0 likesThis is the best comment on all of YouTube, not only because all of your points are right, but I can also relate to the last paragraph. I make huge comments, and I usually expect at least someone to read them, and most of the time, almost no one ever does. But when someone writes a recycled copy/pasted joke, they get thousands of likes. I think to myself "Do people like terrible jokes more than a comment that took much more time and effort?" and yes, that's true. I made a bad joke, and it got over 60 likes, compared to my comments that I put effort into, they get close to nothing. I think that people just don't want to read a massive wall of text, and that's fair, but they then go and read thousands of the same joke and call it "underrated comment".
1 likeI'm still going to make big comments, but I'm not going to have my hopes up in someone reading everything that I type.
The funny thing is, eventually the vapid shit created by shit youtubers drowned itself out, leaving the youtube landscape free for acutally creative videos to take their spot.
1 likeWe've come full circle.
This aged perfectly.
7 likesOne good side of Youtube evolution has been the large number of educational videos available on the platform. That being said I still miss the good old days as well.
3 likesSad about dislikes being removed? Don't worry. The algorithm will tell you what videos are good to watch :)
5 likesGood video, really made me think about what I was wasting time on this site for hours on end watching stuff for the hell of it. Keep up the good work :)
0 likesYou... have... my respect. I always wanted to talk about that topic, but never had the balls, soo has many other YouTubers. But you were one of the few that said, enough is enough... you have the power to do better, YOU HAVE POTENTIAL, don't waste it. You can change this. All you need is to do something, at the right place, and at the wrong time. If you don't understand my philosophy... ask me, and you will get it.
78 likesHoly fuck, this video is 4 years old and aged like wine..
3 likesYouTube HAS become a vapid wasteland, and the sad thing is people can't see it..
I still like Wrestling With Wregret, Nostalgia Critic, AVGN, Rerez, various NASCAR channels, Armchair Historian, and the like
I think YouTube should have a tab on the home page to feature small channels, a lot of talented people have to claw their way to the top by selling out to trends or selling their soul to some bigger channel
2 likesWhat’s great is that so many great creators will come and comment on this video before they explode. We’re seeing them before they’re popular.
4 likesdislike count before youtube hid it all: 2552
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HMMMM HALO REFRENCE????
0 likesbut the 2.5k ppl who disliked work at youtube or they're the bad channels
Fucking glorious, as always. I'm young but I was able to "grow up" on the creativity of YouTube and it sucks that what was once my favorite website of all time and main source of entertainment has been turned into a small handful of big youtubers doing the same content with no improvement over the years and everyone else either copying them for the hope of a tiny drip of success or trying to be unique and being crushed under the sheer weight of mediocre mass-produced videos. I recently found a really nice channel with only 10 or so subs that does really calm and relaxing analytical videos on games, and avoids the AVGN syndrome of screaming and flooding the content with skits, and I know that despite me liking his content and content similar to his I would have never found him if he didn't share it on other better platforms. That's just fucking sad, that the only hope to discover small channels is to hope you hit that 1% chance per day or scour the obscure corners of reddit. What YouTube should be doing is signal boosting small channels and instead of spoon-feeding everyone the same videos everyday they could get many people to spread out and fine the niche they never knew they would love.
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ZanzaKlaus Whats the channel called
0 likesThere’s a lot of youtubers that need to see this
4 likesHonestly, somehow this video is still true, even in 2021.
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this video needs more views.
0 likesIm very thankful to have seen this video youtube is still god awful its really sad i honestly was thinking of obeying to the algorithm and shit but this vid makes me want to do what i want so i am gonna do that imma make the animations and shit i wanna make so i can have fun and good content instead of just bad so thanks for this video i do hope youtube changes but thats very unlikely i just hope places like newgrounds can stay up because their a better vers. Of youtube the only thing i can think of thats ig "bad"? Is that there is not enough like irl stuff like comedy sketchs and stuff an example is what SuperMega does
1 likealso lets plays can be really good but their very boring the only like good ones are small channels like i think theres one named embozone whos not the best but i think he will get there but yeah thats it cya
lots of this video is that one James Acaster quote: "I've never been so offended by something I absolutely agree with"
0 likesKeep up the good work man!
You actually seem to care about your content and treat it like art. Honestly, keep doing what you're doing, you're better than 99.9% of the trash uploaded on this site.
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That's what made me love Youtube the most honestly in the past. Even those that were deem "shitty content". Even shit in that era was considered a piece of art. Not the shit we see today that's bland and repetitive. Back then people actually tried to make quality shit, an it was shit, but hell that shit was beautiful... and grossly bad, but it still held our classic standards on what made Youtube fun. Back then, it was to create a legacy, not corporate cash.
6 likesMightypie I Hate Everything is also an amazing channel. He actually seems to be a genuine great person as well. His content is really satirical and funny and mocks YouTube or whatever he's discussing in his videos.
8 likesPioxys I think the difference was that the shit back in the day people was that people took a risk on there content and it just didn't work out they weren't trying to cash in on some trend to get the youtube revenue. I called this shamless almost robotic form of entertainment the assembly line form of entertainment and it's whats plaguing Hollywood or the music industry. they just spew bland shit to appeal to mainstream so they take out the soul of great entertainment, risk and boundary pushing. The good news is that with the internet good content does exist you just have to look harder to find it.
4 likes💙💖💜 I watched this before starting my Channel, and hoped that if i made High Quality, well edited voiced work that fame would come; Only a Monacle of success came from it. being an Independent Animator on youtube(HAHahahah!)
1 likeI was afraid i'd sell out my unique beleifs and style for money, but this video of yours has motivated me to stay true to myself. Thank you Emp.
On top of Youtube Gaming, Youtube Red, Youtube TV, they also added Youtube Shorts, which, 'surprise!' is essentially TikTok.
7 likesComedian and (new) podcaster here... I've just started listening to you today. I used to make videos as a kid back during the era you're speaking of, and I've been considering starting again. This was really inspiring. Thanks.
0 likesI think when this video was uploaded YouTube videos were especially decadent and shitty, but the content has gotten somewhat better over the years, mostly due to talented people with established audiences from other platforms (Twitch, Spotify, TikTok, even Instagram) defeating the algorithm due to their prior popularity and uploading good content.
0 likesThis is especially visible in gaming content. The stale Let's Plays mentioned here were killed by streamers uploading their highlights and some short and focused YouTube-exclusive content. The "commentary videos" with random gameplay on the background were replaced by more-or-less well-edited video essays such as this one.
But the basic problems mentioned by EmpLemon still stand. It's basically impossible to become famous on YouTube now, you're wasting your time as a small content creator if you're here instead of literally any other platform.
Sooner or later this fundamentally parasitic character that YouTube has acquired will have to be addressed or it will be overthrown by a better copycat. Probably TikTok if it plays its cards well, since you may not like it but it does have the "Broadcast Yourself" and "discover new content" vibes of early YouTube.
I don't know what this video was to the rest of you, but to me, this video has been a wake-up call. I shouldn't be doing things just because they are there to do, I should do them because they are fun, enjoyable, or make me think. I should be doing what I want to do, not what others tell me I should do. I no longer will watch shitty stuff to excess, turn a good thing into a bad thing because i watched it too many times, or just waste my time doing things that aren't making me happy. I will do what feels good to do, and what will make the world around me and myself better.
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Go 4 It :3
1 likeGo 4 It :3
2 likesI feel the same way.
0 likesCheese Pie like got eaten
0 likesCheese Pie like got eaten
0 likesto me, this is what the btm video SHOULD have been. this video doesnt have anything to do with him, but it adresses the problem emp has with his kind of channel.
1 likeThe fact that they removed dislikes makes this even sadder
4 likesThis aged well after the whole QuantumTV crap that's been happening recently
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0 likesSomehow when you think youtube finally puts the final nail in the coffin, they somehow find a way to make it worse
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It's now less a coffin and more an iron maiden.
4 likes@Manic Maniac what shocks me is people are still fucking using it
3 likesThis is especially scary when the people in charge are so far to either side of politics that they loop to the other end.
2 likesOn fucking point.
119 likesIt's incredibly saddening to see the state Youtube and its average viewers are in right now.
You brought up just about everything that's wrong with this site.
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I completely agree
0 likesI have watched this video at least 3 times today. I genuinely believe that this is the most powerful video on the website.
0 likesI watched the entire video
1 likeAnd I wish there more YouTubers like you 👌
It's fascinating, here in 2021 watching this and trying to decide how much of this is still relevant.
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Surprising how well the video aged.
3 likesIt really feels like everything fell apart when Susan became CEO
5 likesThis is THE greatest 50 minute video I have ever seen and is sooooo understandable. I'm still struggling as a small creator but thank you for your inspirational quote at the end to carry on, find something original and locate your passion.
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Tenatic-X well a lot of people are doing what your currently doing you need to make something that NO one is doing is what he meant
0 likesatomic doomsday58 yes thats what i said in my own comment. I quote "find something original"
0 likesTenatic-X oh sorry I thought you were talking about your content I was giving constructive criticism
1 likeah i understand now
0 likesits close enough
0 likesThe One who cares
1 likeTenatic-X yeah it's hard to grow a channel. For me personally though it doesn't bother me all that much because I mostly do it for fun.
1 likevery true. i started trying to move away from the numbers, and just enjoy the process of animating or editing, and making my pretty non-existent fanbase happy. :)
3 likesTenatic-X that’s good. I do feel a little bad for you though since animating is a lot of hard work and it’s very time consuming. Most of my videos are skits or short films so I just have to get some friends together and we can film a few videos at once.
3 likesdang... i've done skits before and i feel the kind of pain you might've felt. Just setting up a lot of stuff for a few seconds of a scene is a huge pain lol.
1 likeok
0 likesTenatic-X this video is far better and far more important but the leafy one is good
0 likesThis is a an extremely good channel. I needed this
1 likeman.
2 likesyou tried to warn us about youtube's downhill.
now, looking back at it. this video aged well.
> "Since when did just doing something become passable to you people!?"
5 likesSince society stopped demanding anything out of the young masses and everyone gets a cheer and a participation trophy for breathing, let alone doing.
This is why the youth of the developing world looks at the developed world in disgust. Doing a bad job is ok for the developed youth because trying is as good as succeeding to them. In the developing world, trying and failing has consequences.
THIS VIDEO IS CRING!!!!
0 likesSeriously though, thank you for making this. I'm late to it but I feel like it was brought to me in a time where I need it. I want to share something with the world and leave behind something that will far outlive me. I've been stuck, but this video has helped me reevaluate my thoughts.
I watched the entire video, and I can't agree with you more. YouTube right now is so messed up, and me being a small YouTuber and wanting to become more noticed is practically surreal at this point, since bigger YouTubers have already done everything I've done, and people are more interested in their content than mine. And since YouTube only promotes bigger YouTubers videos rather than smaller YouTubers' videos, it's almost impossible to become noticed or popular.
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Okay, I'll get a work.
13 likes8-Bit Robot i subbed, good luck on your u-tube
2 likesI write e-books, it is pretty much the same problem. Everyone has been there, done that. Every original idea I have has more than likely been done by someone else. Nowadays the only bestsellers tend to be from established authors rather than people like me because they come up best on Amazon's search algorithms. Half of it is now completely down to luck or sucking up/off someone who is already popular.
9 likesclearspira thats the issue, this problem does not limit itself to just youtube. Its gotten to the point that this is embedded in society itself. You can't be yourself and create content you want to make and have it recognised and appreciated, the fact that im 15 and live in a world where people have to throw away their individuality and become an entirely different person just to gain the smallest of recognition is disgusting. New youtubers might as well not bother creating content since you also have to pray to fucking god some person will stumble upon your work and bother to watch a nobody, which is unlikely as your not gonna be able to compete with bigger youtubers.
8 likesMaybe small channels need to unite to take on big challenges.
2 likesWell the alternative is podcasts approach where lots of the time podcasters listen to other podcasters podcasts and tend to recommend interesting ones regardless of popularity
0 likes8-Bit Robot same, being csgo youtuber is hard
0 likesMarry me, you beautiful 80s tech-level automaton
1 likeMaybe if you upload more
0 likesDramaAlert?
0 likesScarce?
Are we ignoring those channels?
8-Bit Robot I am also facing this problem. Trying to get more subs, but sadly no one cares. This sucks so much. :(
0 likesI think it's pronounced job not work.
0 likesWe should have a new version of Old YouTube, but with a networking system. That way, if you want to make a new channel, you only have to put work into an extra channel. Everyone wins! I'd use that shit in no time.
1 likei got 12 subs
0 likesman you hit me with ELP this time!
0 likesyour music choices are bonkers good
Stuff like begging for Subs and Likes made me realize how much I appreciate RLM. Those guys are continuously original, and may as well not exist on youtube since they barely reference it despite quite possibly being one of the most influential groups on the internet. (They changed how reviews are formatted, may have accidentally invented Slenderman, are known by several movie industry veterans, where referenced in the GotG Vol2 Trailer, etc)
1 likeAnd here we are today, dislikes removed. The site is dead
8 likesYouTube's been on a downward spiral since the beginning of 2017. TikTok reinforced that downward spiral, and I have doubts it will ever spiral back up.
3 likesYour point on editing and production being important is so underrated it's insane. People seem to forget that people like PrinceEa ride off high production value while their content is meaningless drivel. Kony2012 was popular because it was marketable even though it was just about the worst thing to donate any money to. Literally so much of "popularity" or viewership is dependent on making something aesthetically pleasing.
232 likesDon't get me wrong, good production is awesome, it's just utter shit that it's become necessary to pretty up and make everything "digestible" before people will even acknowledge its existence. And it's not even like good production denotes any level of competence anymore. Ricegum made a platinum song off of lyrics he paid for and a beat he purchased before sending the whole atrocity to a mixing/mastering engineer he commissioned to pretty up his garbage vocals. It sounds elitist to say, but the reason I respect so many people who venture out of the comfort zone of watching what "looks good enough" is because forming opinions on what you're spoon fed and never acknowledging anything outside of that isn't just boring, it's artistically ignorant. It's like when your friend who only listens to country tries to distinguish themselves by saying they only listen to "good country". Like yeah, thanks, you are a dwarf among midgets.
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@Narcissist Margarine
17 likesI’m not gonna say you’re an elitist. If anything, I agree about the mainstream audiences being ignorant because they think they know everything when in reality, their knowledge can be very surface-level. Whereas people who get out of their comfort zones end up learning some new stuff and challenge misconceptions.
To be fair though, the same could be said for those who refuse main steam media because it's to polished to actually be authentic. Honestly a good mix of everything will help you discern reality and population opinion. Takeing too much of the polished or rough may hurt your perspective of the world.
6 likesUnderrated
1 likemy favorite bit of this video is Emp getting angry about Elsagate while Dancing With The Moonlit Knight plays. Funniest thing i’ve seen in a while.
3 likes10:15
0 likesI think the pinnacle of those kinds of videos is getting copyright claimed by the owners of the music, because that would mean 1 of 2 things, you are so good you sound just like the original song, or you could prove to reasonable people the copyright system on youtube sucks ass.
Honestly the algorithm used to recommend videos I ended up being interested in and allowed me to discover creators I love. But now all it does is recommend the same videos I've already watched, and the occasional video I never want to watch at all
15 likesThis video represents me. I felt that anger and desperation.
3 likesAnd seriously, you have put so much work for the quality of this video. The fact that the music, script, images and videos in this video all correlate to each other in a way that it's actually art makes me so happy. This is a great video and people need to actually sit down amd watch. I remember when YouTube had a little more variety, more creativity. Nowdays i just get recommended videos that are literally all Top 10 lists. Its just not the same and I hadn't noticed until you made this video.
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atomic doomsday58 dude I’m going to fucking cry
0 likesit’s literally 2021and this vid is still relevant.
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Especially the shitty algorithm
9 likesYouTube gave me terrible gacha videos for some reason. I don’t know why. Now it seems like it’s just giving me metal gear content,but I’m fine with this.
3 likes@I need Scissors! 61! why can’t I get Metal Gear content? It’s my absolute favorite game franchise that I watch tons of videos on but the algorithm doesn’t care.
3 likesIf we had a real free market we'd have a decent youtube alternative eons ago.
3 likes28:07 it really sucks that Youtubers have been showing that they get a spike of subscribers whenever they "remind" their viewers to subscribe. It boggles my mind how dumb people are.
1 likeEdit: And fully agree with searching for the best content. ASMR in particular has an immense number of creators with ultra-small channels but wonderful content. And modern Youtube Poops provide amazing take-downs of the same people that criticize them. Analysis channels as well often randomly have a creator who made super high-quality content but take years to grow.
The YTP explanation reminds of the small corner I lived (and live? I started making them again after many many requests over the years to make more) in, the Drew Pickles videos, which most people hate, but have been going on for like 15 years anyway and have evolved over that time.
2 likesI hope this channel never dies
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Stone Born same!
10 likesDid you forget to unsubscribe?
6 likestoo bad he became the same commentary channel like everyone else
1 likeThis is why I never took YouTube seriously as a revenue source. I just want to post the occasional video whether it's going to be popular or not. I don't need an additional motivation. Getting paid to do something you enjoy is a great way to stop enjoying it as it becomes an obligation.
2 likesThe death of YouTube came when another CEO came in and individuality ceased to exist and content has become way worse. I'd say we protest against them until they finally snap out of this shitty state and for god's sake change their ways.
1 likeI ironically have an opposite problem with the video length. I can't focuse long enought if a video is less than at least 20 minutes long lol. Also it's because I listen to them in the background and listening to some 7-hour long game analysis in one sitting is much more preffered than interrupting myself to change the current video
1 like19:40 I wonder how many reaction channels stopped recording and scrapped their reaction to this video at this moment.
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Probably none of them...
2 likesThis couldn’t be even truer today, dislikes have now been removed. If YouTube keep on limiting features I’ll have no choice but to find another platform. It’s not your fault by the way.
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youtube more like
0 likesbuy product
That point around 08:00 is really important. The algorithms and subscriptions shield regular users from the reality of how terrible most content on Youtube is now, and how terrible Youtube is at delivering content in a coherent and useful way. If you don't believe me, scrub your browser profile, make a new Google ID, and start from scratch. It's like climbing up a rope ladder in a hailstorm of shit.
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Ergo: Default recommendations tend to be channels that upload a lot in short order and typically are clickbait like?
0 likesOnly around 1.8 million people remember this fact sadly...
4 likesAnd sadder part is people forget and may get content again with bad content
Well Smooth McGroove is back so there’s still hope!
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Yay
1 likei think the fact that YouTube didn't recommend me this vid until 3 years later only supports your point of quantity over quality
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EXACTLY
8 likesI remember Pyro recommending this vid a while back. Only way I found it and his content since.
3 likesJust like my example:
8 likesI like to listen to Rslash. He uploads everyday and I get a notification everytime.
But I also like Internet Historian and Vivziepop.
I get no notifications and only get the video in my recommended a week after. It's fucked.
I didn't even get this video from my recommendations
1 likeThey only recommended this video to me after a blue moon chance of discovering a new channel via the autoplay feature. I was so amazed that i was actually watching something different i quickly subscribed and binged his channel so the algorithm would give me stuff i want. I fucking hate that i have to fight an algorithm to give me content i want vs what it wants me to watch that will play the most ads on the same videos 10 times over (because eventually it literally just stops finding new videos and only replays stuff you’ve already watched with the rare exception)
0 likes27:11, 27:35 It's funny looking back at how poorly this has aged, considering the amount of stats that have come out from YouTubers recently that show that asking to subscribe actually makes a significant impact on subscriber and retention rates
5 likes"If YouTube keeps going the way it is, we're gonna have a bad time." - EmpLemon 2017
1 likeLove the video dude, i agree with everything you said. Keep up the great videos ❤❤❤❤
0 likesAs a sign of respect for the old YT, as well as equality (and I hope EMP agrees with being fair here).
0 likesUse this as a dislike button (if you want to)
Also this is why I love channels like Night Mind, YouTube has basically blacklisted them because they are horror themed channels, and our virgin eyes cant see anything bad like that while we see possibly worse stuff like that in history class! Channels like Night Mind are hard to find, because Nick actually puts all the effort into editing and working his hardest to make great content and look for new series,horror series, that are different and new and interesting, and gives in depth analysis about them, and sometimes giving some comedic moments to balance it out! Like you said, that's rare to find. I remember Vsauce, Michael is still doing his hardest to make his videos memorable and put high effort into them while adding comedic moments and opinions to it with his analysis. The only difference between Michael and Nick is that Nick is a smaller YouTube compared to Michael, at almost 200,000 subs, while Michael has millions of subscribers. Another thing about them is that their content Is hard to find, because GOD FORBID WE HAVE SOMETHING COMPLEX AND DIFFERENT THAN CALLING THE BOSS BABY OMG HE AWNSERED!
62 likesIts why Nick inspired me to make my own horror channel, because of how much he clearly cares about his content, even with YouTube's problems.
Your content reminds me of Nicks too, because you actually care about your content, you CARE about making it good and you care about it without bending over to YouTube's broken hierarchy.
I remember old YouTube, although I'm a young teen, when i was 6, i watched all those videos, and they were great! They still are! I'm getting BORED from YouTubers at times, because of repition and pandering, and like i said, Thats why i love channels like Yours, Nicks, and Micheals, because you give a damn about content, not about what will make the most money, and i thank you for that. Keep being amazing at what you do
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Nick Nocturne is my favorite creator I've found in the past year, and Nick has introduced me to many other interesting channels and individuals. Can't wait to see what his new project is!
3 likesGhostgirl 708 the second most subscribed channel on SA is a horror channel with 12M so that "black list" thing is bullshit.
1 likeAxl Kss Dude, horror channels get all of their monetization taken away. It's considered inappropriate/offensive content by the new guidelines. That is blacklisting
6 likesNight Mind is awesome!
2 likesThis inspired me to go through and unsub to all the corporate feeling content farms that im still subbed to and that I can find. It's the only thing I feel like I can do personally
1 likeThis video kicks ass, the man is just so real on this
2 likesThis video still applies in 2021. It's time to change.
4 likesim 13 and I love content Luke this and other stuff. this is genius. i dont have a whole lot of friends and im an introvert so this is nice for me to watch!
2 likesAlmost a year old but still relevant and still valid. Pls never stop
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now four years old.
0 likesAside from Jontron and The Rebel (loool I’m sure EMP has reversed his thoughts on that) this is video aged beautifully.
3 likesIm hoping I get into the recommended for like 10 seconds. I have plans to give back to the community, take time with uploads and try to not sell something to an audience I know they wont buy. This really shouldnt be a marketplace, it should be a forum.
1 likegod how that first statement about videos being to long hits so dam close to home with tik tok and youtube shorts, the highly edited long form videos still have large audiences and you get those longer videos bang on 10/10s
2 likesLessons in meme culture: ACTUALLY SEARCHES THE MEMES AND DOCUMENTS THEM LIKE FINE WINE
2 likesBehind the meme: literally watches 1 video about it and adds nonsensical stuff
Just found this video today and wondered "where is he wrong? YouTube seems to be alive and well after 3 years".
132 likesWell, we were both right. This is not the YouTube I remember... it's been long dead.
This website trained me to think this was all OK, scrolling minutes at a time through the algorithm's clickbait/repetitive content. I barely see my subscriber's videos anymore! W.T.F.
Thank you for waking me up to this problem.
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Furthermore, your solution to this problem is spot on too, this requires a MACRO-shift in the minds of views, creators, advertisers, and YouTube, all of which will never happen because the formula works and you can't fix what isn't broken. Maybe if we all abandon YouTube, then YouTube will acknowledge this issue, but by then YouTube would be stuck in their ways.
17 likesP.S. Yes, I did post a reply to continue my comment because, let's face it, you wouldn't have read a large wall of text otherwise.
Not that the rest of the video is bad, but both ends of the fourth and sixth points really tell it all.
3 likesYouTube changed the algorithm, and by the mid 2010’s uploaders figured out what formats could and couldn’t work through it.
As such, people who upload videos daily that are just long enough to be eligible for ads in bulk get fed views, watch time and recommendations, whereas people who are more inclined to think outside the box release videos that don’t appear in the algorithm because they are unlikely to have the time to upload enough of them.
From the perspective of the advertisers in particular, I see why they would favor the new algorithm because chances are their ads would be more likely to play on a channel that uploads daily, but that leads to a lot of videos that feel very samey, and chances are that advertisers could reach a wider variety of audiences if their ads played on a wider variety of videos.
There are four things that should change about YouTube in particular in my opinion:
1. Change the algorithm back to the way it was originally.
2. Stop censoring videos for being rough, mature, or expressing views you disagree with.
3. Reform the copyright tools to detect what the context of the content used is, allow independent, impartial third parties to review all copyright claims, and set it so that the revenue claimed by claimants is proportional to the percentage of the video that includes the copyrighted content.
And 4. Go back to the old star scale (perhaps in increments of .1 or .5 stars).
Emplemon talked about why people should like dislikes, and why removing them robs people of the opportunity to express a negative reaction or disabling the feature robs the ability to express a positive or negative reaction.
Well the star scale would enable people to express a mixed reaction better than simply like and dislike in my opinion.
@SteveSpieldberg360 oof, but maybe
0 likesI just hope we all realize that this isn’t Susan’s intentions. Some of these problems are still prevalent today but if we try our best to reach out to a YT executive they will comply. Just watch Mr. Moist’s video about his call with Susan.
0 likesThank god i have years of fine tuned subscriptions, i get to watch great channels like Emplemon, LEMMiNO and Kurzgesagt
0 likesDamn, this is some real raw features. Never heard Emp so angry.
1 like3 years later, this video still inspires me <3
0 likesEMPEROR OF DA LEMONS, YOU ARE SO FUCKING WOKE + INSPIRATIONAL RN, I'M SO PROUD O U!
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FrankJavCee MY MAN YES
0 likesBless by thy holy ass that is franks
0 likesFRANK!!!
0 likesOh shit its frank how have you been
4 likesLenny depressed loo
15 likesThat sucks I feel bad now
6 likesEmplemon isJesus
0 likesIndeed
0 likesFUCK YES
0 likesWho invited Torgue Flexington? And how?
0 likesUm, I don;t think he's actually woke or anything. He's a smart guy. I'm pretty sure if he was woke, he'd have to have radical leftist tendencies. That's really the best way I can put it. He just doesn't act like that kind of a person.
0 likes@DiscoBallGaming they look distinct from ytp.. i've already watched most of em and they got no knowledge over the basics of ytp
0 likes@DiscoBallGaming 0..
0 likesOf course this video is still relevant today, we haven't done anything to fix YouTube yet
3 likesThank you, EmpLemon, you are amazing
2 likesDude I love your channel. We’re around the same age so you grew up with the exact same stuff I did, Ed Ed n eddy, spongebob, Jimmy neutron, regular show, simpsons, etc. I really realized this when you pointed out how shitty fanboy and chum chum was, and same with Johnny test. I had the exact same reaction to those shows, Johnny test was an absolute last resort, and I just never watched the other show because it seemed so awful.
1 likeIm happy i found your channel. A bit late to the party, but now i know that i have a new gold ore to get the truths and laughs from.
0 likesBill Wurtz is one of the surviving channels that represent old Youtube.
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@Dusk Raccoon I fucking LOVE the Angry Video Game Nerd. Possibly the best channel on YouTube. Or, at least, my favorite. <3
26 likes"surviving"
34 likeslast video - 1y ago with title "might quit"
You could make a religion out of this
6 likesAnd he's gone
8 likesAND IT'S ABOUT TIME TOO
4 likes@Weras he said on his website he was learning 3d, and he just posted a new video
11 likes@Hatted Moron ik about the new vid, its awesome btw, didn't know about him posting anything to his website, kinda forgot he had one
2 likesSame with Critikal
7 likes@Dusk Raccoon Just watched one of his videos and it was fantastic, Thanks a lot for the recommendation. :)
1 like@Bondi James the last good channel.
2 likesThe legend has returned
0 likes@Weras hes baaaaaaaack
0 likesPenguinz0 is also an og
2 likes@Kevin Arcia you got me, nice one
0 likesvery true
0 likesDefinitely
0 likesSpeaking of animations on youtube, I miss battlefield friends from Neebs Gaming or as they were at the time, Hank and Jed
2 likeswe gon need a part 2
4 likesyour choice in music never disappoints
1 likeWhat ruined YouTube
6 likescapitalism for normies
This is two years old, but I'm watching it for the first time now and I think this is your best video to date. Keep it up Emp, you're one of the best channels on this site today.
124 likesAlso nice use of Emerson Lake and Palmer in the video!
"Why aren't more people trying to be the next Vsauce or videogamedunkey?"
3 likesNaw, the way I hear it, ol' Dunks is done making good videos. Still waiting for Among Us Tuesday from him though.
13:24 and this is why a part of me wishes YouTube still only allowed monetization for larger youtubers. Not everyone should really have monetization.
1 likeYou can't have other opinions
8 likesWell they removed now the dislike button
So again and agian you're right
Damn, I wish born earlier to see this kind of stuff, when that era of YouTube was prevalent, I was picking boogers watching DanTDM, popularMMOs and a very scarce amount of videos probably from Newgrounds. I was a wee little toddler and I missed the golden age of YouTube
1 likePoor JonTron. He speaked his mind and got outed for it. No one wants any personality anymore, all they want is pretty colors.
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ORANGE MAN BAD
31 likesNot to mention his fellow youtubers cashing on that.
11 likes@Nathan No, and you're part of the problem.
39 likes@Cobalt what happened with jontron? im not really on date with most of this things.
4 likes@Cobalt people who arent nazis are the /problem? How delusional are you people?
0 likes@Nathan Show me proof. I'm not doubting you, I just want the evidence.
14 likes@Nathan That nonsence happened almost 2 years ago and eveyone jsut moved on, can't you just let it go yourself?
8 likesNathan i see tou cant handle other opinions. i dont see him being a new hitler so whats the problem?
9 likesNathan ok bro stop using the word Nazi. Because if Jon is a Nazi then what are actual nazis? The guy did a goof but he is not a Nazi
8 likes@I know I have an incredibly small penis, but >wants white ethnostate
2 likes>isn't a Nazi
That's some primo cognitive dissonance there bai
If he really is a nazi, what about it? Isnt anyone allowed to speak their opinion? Are you going to censor him for holding that ridiculous opinion? I dont like nazis, but i like censorship less.
12 likesSpoke
0 likes"I like Trump" = Wow, hate speech. Stop this person.
4 likes"Orange man bad" = Great! Such a woke and polite person, go to homepage.
Not to mention the guy that debated him thinks it's ok to sleep with children or something like that.
1 likeNathan lol he’s taking back his comments and apologized many times. Jon was in a low point in his life, tried to argue with a very talented debater, and was unprepared for the debate. He got pushed into saying dumb stuff but is certainly not a Nazi. You can’t take one bad thing a guy says and try to say that makes him a bad person. We’ve all said terrible things, I just don’t get why you can’t give him a second chance.
4 likesHe’s back, and I love him.
0 likesI respect you man, I use the tactics as YouTubers did in early YouTube.
0 likesIf you removed every time he said 2017 and showed me this video I wouldn’t be able to tell when it came out in the last 5 years
5 likesJust came back after the dislikes are gone, plus an anime YouTuber just lost 150 videos in a single day, this surely feels more and more prophetic the more the days pass by
3 likesThe reminding to subscribe thing is so common in videos nowadays that my brain automatically filters out the phrase now
7 likesCan we get a part 2? 4 years later with all the stuff that's going on now on YouTube.
1 likeNormally I just listen to the audio of videos while playing video games so when the text part came on I was like, “That’s an odd choice, having a music segment in the video…”
1 like9:10
0 likesI miss the days when youtube was great,but now it's just playing it safe instead of going wild.
Also don't they have a YOUTUBE for kids,so why don't they just go and port every kid friendly content there.
Thanks for a inspirational speech I will never forget that.
as a guy who watches modern ytps, this is deeply upsetting
1 likeTbh, so long as people enjoy it w/e. Low effort content is like fast food, yea its shit but it can be nice
2 likesAbout let's play channels... It's so good that exist out there channels that upload non-commentary, 100% playthroughs.
2 likesThere's 2 reasons why people went to youtube instead of TV. 1) choice of content. 2) Lack of ads. Look at youtube now, LOOK AT IT!
4 likesthis video is criminally underrated
4 likesThe comparison with modern youtube to television was really eye-opening. It still holds true to this day.
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Used to think that when tv was garbage youtube was good but tv was garbage then and now
0 likesI support mediocre and low effort content, yet still agree with almost everything else in this video.
1 likeFunnily enough because of how the algorithm works getting users who no longer watch your content to unsubscribe from you, is the best way to grow a channel.
2 likesBecause every time a subscriber doesnt click on your shiny new video it gets sent to purgatory for not being popular enough, thus sending your channel into an endless pit where your own popularity from a trend throws your channel into deep obscurity.
Example, let's say you make content about things you enjoy. People come watch your content who are interested. If one of your random videos gets "trendy" and gets big spike in views the next video you put out, if it's not related or as popular as the better performing videos youtube will straight up just not show your uploads. Because the algorithm has deemed your content as non engaging.
Some of the comments in the newest first section just don't get the state that YouTube is in
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They're literally a part of the problem Emp's describing, sad myopic people who can't be fucking assed to pay any attention to what's happening and who won't until it's too late.
6 likesHey great video man keep doing it!
3 likesI love the ending. Very motivational.
0 likes"Because you have done nothing but watch TF2 for 3 days"
3 likesI see what you did there
don't get me wrong, i hate the shit that people output nowadays 90% of the time,
2 likesbut i love the new interest in retrospective videos and responses which are genuinely entertaining and make me think about the common youtube video format
If you want a sitewide community of exceptional quality animations, then there's always Newgrounds.
0 likesOh man, if only there were more people like you on yt. I'm 15 minutes in and totally agree with everything you say. Like you did with behind the meme, you should make a video highlighting pages that make repetitive, generic content like infinitelists, durv, mastersaint etc and INFLUENCE others like you to agree with you and make MORE videos, and maybe get the actual bad content creators to see what they're doing so shit and why there's more to YouTube than ad revenue.
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finnjet2208 even though I’m a pretty small channel, I’m actually working on an infinite lists rant. But I’m not sure when it will be done.
0 likesI guess the problem with the audience is that most of them grew up watching YouTube after Golden Age, so they don't understand. Nowadays YouTube is their normal. (Myself included)
2 likesalmost half a decade later and this is still relevant.
2 likesIts honestly sad how true this video is to this day
2 likesEmplemon is a genius
4 likesThis video needs a part 2 for 2021.
2 likesI cant believe i literally watched emplemon rant about youtube for an hour and loved it.
0 likesIt is so difficult to find quality content here on YouTube I agree because it is so rare that I find a new channel that's unique and actually interests me
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This reads like one of those "Born in the wrong generation" comments you see in any music video comment section
0 likes@Eric Glenn nah I'm not one of those people I am actually quite happy with when I was born
0 likesJust found this video, I remember the good times when I was 8 and was watching funny af animations and great content, I feel like crap because of the way YouTube is rn
0 likesI watched this video the whole way, and I wanna say:
64 likes-I liked your deleted skit.
-The lists of why old YouTube was good and why new YouTube was shit was well made, researched, and edited.
-I'm glad to see your subscribed list returning to Pre-DownwardSpiral era levels.
With the actman stuff that’s going on this video is more correct than ever.
1 likeI believe that this video still holds quite well.
1 likeThe end of this video was depressingly prophetic. I shudder to think of what Emp thought about YouTube removing dislikes a few months back.
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You can see what he thought by going on his Twitter
0 likesBuilding on the always asking to subscribe argument. It's also annoying when they say "looks like 90% of the people viewing my videos aren't subbed." It's pissess me off so much becuase when I watch a video of a channel I have never seen before, I dont instantly subscribe. I watch a few videos to see if the channel as a whole is good. When a person does this, I usually stop watching them. Also on an unrelated note, there have been a few youtubers like spike viper or the waffle galaxy that were good and unique many years ago but have recently become more cash grubby and just plain low quality.
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I saw a YouTuber (who is openly, and humorously self deprecating about his ego) do that a few times.
0 likesRusty Buckets, a pretty good basketball YouTuber.
Also an example of someone who does, and doesn’t fit this video:
His intro is an EDM track, and a good portion are 10-15 minutes in length (but the topics he covers don’t feel stretched or shortened either way), and some involve more complex or drawn out arguments that don’t cherry pick.
Call it someone who half follows the established format generally, and also is themself from a content perspective while doing it.
Not gonna lie, I was thinking that this needed a 2019 revamp, but then I realized that nothing has changed at all. If anything, it got worse...somehow..
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@Pyro Kujo (hiatus) tbh, coppa was a good thing.
0 likes@Poor Pescado 1000 it was a blessing but a cursed
10 likesdownward spiral downward SPIRAL DOWNWARD SPIRAL DOWNWARD SPIRAL DOWNWARD SPIRAL €£¥DOWNWARD SPIRAL¥£€
3 likesAnd it gets even fucking worse ONLY A YEAR LATER!
2 likesEverything is a clusterfuck now
0 likesSomething i notice is... i don't watch videos anymore, i just listen to music now
0 likes@Pyro Kujo (hiatus) blursed you mean
0 likesAlgorithm became better
0 likesahahaha welcome to 2020. Oh it's almost 2021. Please person in the future reply to this so we can all enjoy how much more fucked up youtube has become :)
3 likesAh yes, ads on non monetized videos, even worse
0 likesHey Ben here it’s more of a hell hole
1 like26:05 - Using footage from one of Kitty0706's videos while describing the "old breed" of YouTubers was so perfectly fitting
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Dammit...I miss him.
2 likes@Kurt we all do
0 likes:( we need more men like him
0 likesGood god and youtube is even worse now than it was in 2017...
5 likeswe are going to 2022 and still so actual.
8 likesCrazy how this video is about 3 and a half years old and if I hadn't looked at the release date in the description I almost wouldn't have even known. Seems like nothing's really changed since then.
0 likesYouTube is dead. It's normie.
596 likesIt's never going back.
All we can do is wait for another form of media actually run by ambition.
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Impossible
30 likesYep
7 likesCan't have things being normal, can we. That's just "weird". Lol...
5 likesNirvana Paradox I don't mind people who think they're 'normal' as long as they don't turn everything into a pisspool of commercialised content like mainstream media does (Aka Normies)
52 likesyoutube has been normie for the longest time dude
7 likesAnd then watch it get ruined again
4 likesThere's new grounds
4 likesSteaMonkey Remember the days of shit like Black Jack octagon ytp videos and shit like "8 Awesome Angles of Youtube"...ah thats the kind of shiet i watched when i was a kid on youtube, when it was about passion and creativity here.
7 likesThere's Vidlii which is most definitely odd.
8 likesSocial Media in general is now run by normies, and the biggest reason is that there is money involved. Look original content is great, it’s new, requires more effort, and usually is highly appreciated, but one thing it will never be good at is making money. Making original content popular is way harder and riskier to do than making a well established carbon copy piece of content popular. So shitty content will always beat out great content in popularity, even though every viewer and critic hates it.
12 likesEither Wait For Another Form Of Media Or Take Over.
7 likesindeepj take over
3 likesatomic doomsday58 Nobody Realises That We Should, Nobody Notices That We Must Take Over, Nobody Realises Anything Nowadays.
3 likes^
1 likeTheironsword OH MAH GAWD DAT TRIGGER ME
1 likeindeepj yes everyone's brains turned to mush watching endless pewdiepie and top ten videos we need to take things into our own hands and bring back a golden decade of YouTube once more
3 likesI was agreeing with indeepj, jeeze.
0 likesSteaMonkey If you build it they will meme
0 likes4chan said the same about pepe and look at it now
0 likesPepe is still dead.
0 likesVidme?
0 likesMeesomate Vidme is dead :c
0 likesVidme is dead
0 likesWere you not there for that?
Ran out of money.
0 likesEverything in this world, media or otherwise, will serve you despair. Hopes will get you nowhere, dreams will get you crushed, you can either except this fact and find selfish peace or you can stand up and try to make a difference
2 likesbut you can't, not through normal means. Only through total destruction can you make permanent changes. However, it's possible even those scars will get covered up. The only thing left to do is
drown.
Make it then. Make a new media platform or make a better trending page. This is capitalism my dude
1 likeMake it yourself! B R O A D C A S T Y O U R S E L F
1 likeWe can't give up! The best we can do is resist for as long as we can!
1 like22:32 at least we have exurb1a when our citrus is breaking his brain. Honestly I feel bad for him.
0 likessad but too true
0 likesthat will happen only if one of us create a web site and call us and make it our territory... but it is not hard to create the darn website the problem is call the guys that you want to go to your website to go to it because of the fucket up youtube algorism the video about the new website will be 99.9% of the chances not even get a single view or even if it grows we will just watch it dies again like youtube... i think
1 liketheres vidlly, an old version of YouTube we can still use, but nfkrz fucked the servers last year so no internet, good content, good internet, mostly shit content
1 likeSteaMonkey theres a site called vidlii its actually like old yt
0 likesHehe Le Normiezzz..... xD :DDDDD plz upvote???
0 likesIt's not happening. YouTube has no competition. Even if YouTube is a dead husk of its former self, we have no choice but to eat that dead body because what's the alternative?
0 likes@Tornado Mimi Cyclone Imagine looking at a year old comment and assuming that those alternatives were at all competitive with YouTube at the time the comment was made.
0 likesAlthough...even now, I would say those alternatives are still not at all competitive with YouTube. Is it even possible for you to make a living off of Dailymotion? Does Bitchute even have the required viewership for you to get enough ad revenue to pay for your housing? I haven’t heard of anyone making a living off of Bitchute or Dailymotion. However, I have heard of people making a living off of YouTube. So unless Dailymotion has enough viewers to make the ad revenue competitive with YouTube, I don’t see any of the alternatives you list as a suitable alternative for content creators who wish to sustain themselves in the online video market.
Maybe if sponsors were willing to fund Dailymotion videos, then I could see it happening somewhat, but sponsors only do this with videos that get enough viewership. And considering Dailymotion has a smaller viewership than YouTube does, I see it as something that is highly unlikely.
@Pseudo Nym One, it's TWO years old. Not a year old.
0 likesTwo, it's like what comes first: the chicken or the egg. Giant Advertisers don't come to sites with smaller userbases, and sites with smaller userbases don't come to giant Advertisers.
However, I think there's a good solution: recreating the Bell System in the form of a "Tube System".
Imagine: "YouTube Pacific" or "New York Tube Company"
It might be the only way to protect creators from the system, but it will hopefully be VERY effective. ESPECIALLY if it gets split up somewhere down the line.
@Tornado Mimi Cyclone No, it's a year old. https://imgur.com/a/GzZ2gBX Look at the age of my comment according to YouTube.
0 likesAnyhow, until we get this "New York Tube Company" you speak of one day, we can't realistically expect content creators to pay for their food and housing using Dailymotion or Bitchute; again, I haven't heard of anyone being able to make a living off of any of the sites you listed (as of the time of writing, at least). If a system, be it legislature or otherwise, were in place to provide creators with some sort of protection and sustainability, then maybe it would be a different story. But until that happens, the fact is just plain and simple: it is not realistic to expect content creators to use Dailymotion as an alternative to YouTube to pay for their food; YouTube is atrocious as a corporate entity, but what other options do we have?
@Pseudo Nym My idea right now is to try to change it from within: Create many channels (should be easy with Google's Pages system) to tell Advertisers to stop supporting a company with such awful business practices (possibly by showing them YouTube's PR disasters over the years, as well as corporate videos that are arguably MUCH worse [example: plane crash compilations] than what the average individual puts out [example: independent animation].), and watch as Google is FORCED to respond. Matt Watson used a similar technique, and it seemingly worked.
0 likes@Tornado Mimi Cyclone IDK why you're telling me all this, but whatever, cool idea I guess. YouTube is very good at surviving bad PR if that's what you're planning on doing so I doubt this idea will go anywhere, but hey, I've been wrong before, prove me wrong and I'll gladly eat my words.
0 likes@Pseudo Nym I'm not even planning on exposing YouTube itself, I'm planning on exposing the crap that is put on YouTube.
1 likeShow advertisers how bad the site has been, and YouTube will scramble to fix itself.
How about Bitchute? No censorship. If enough people migrate there, it could become a serious competitor to YouTube.
0 likesits not that its normie, its that its corporate and being tuned to ensure they can enact sociopolitical change they want via influence
2 likesgreat video, truly amazing youtuber
3 likesThis video still holds up to this day
3 likes4 years later, you were so right.
4 likesThis makes me feel like if i try, it really ain't gonna work.
1 likeI think the problem is youtube used to be social media but now its a shitty cosplay of television, and also a huge game of king of the hill
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I sell clickbait and clickbait accessories.
9 likesI've actually made friends on YT back when it was actually a social media site. I used it more than Myspace. I miss messaging people on here and customizing my profile. Then it got bought out by Google.... Ugh.
3 likesYouTube used to be like Bravo UK (the things that advertisers wouldn't like), but now they're like Bravo USA.
0 likes29:18 this has a bit too much truth in it
3 likespart of the reason i subbed to emp is because i've never heard of a youtuber telling people to *un*subscribe, and i knew i had to sub to this madlad
1 like"liberal propaganda" lmao I love that
4 likesI appreciate you and your content.
0 likesYou are one of my favorite new channels I’ve found. Holy crap. I knew Youtube had become hollow and soulless lately but man you summed it up perfectly...OVER A YEAY AGO! It’s only gotten worse! Amazing how we’re close to the same age yet you’ve actually been making content on this god forsaken site for years...and you still do. You still get in front of that mic and upload EXCELLENT content. Like some kind of friendly internet Spider-man. Pretty impressive, I guess it’s true what they say. Fans are the harshest critics. Keep up the great work. (So long as you feel like it)
126 likesPs: That analogy of the tree canopy sucking up all the sunlight and forcing the underbrush to starve in the shade was really great.
I feel like the watch time change COULD have been good if it was video watch time %, for example, a 5 min high quality animation, if fully viewed would give the same amount of priority in the algorithm as if you fully watched a low quality 30 min video.
1 likeI haven't even watched this video yet but I think we need a part 2, considering How old this one is, and YouTube is still on a downward spiral
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Honestly come this August it'd be cool if there was a 5 year revisit
0 likesAnd it's been on a downward spiral ever since lol
4 likesIt's funny cuz after all this, I love this channel and only learned about it like 1 or 2 years ago
0 likesTo me, the whole situation with YouTube started with the Viacom lawsuit, which led to YouTube basically bowing down to corporations and thus turning the entire site from a video-based social network where people could share independent works to nothing more than an advertising platform for big corporations who have all say in what goes on.
14 likesBecause of YouTube's horrible algorithm, all the "trending" media is crafted for normies and ONLY normies, and that's why you keep getting videos that are about current trends such as fidget spinners or 1000 degree knife videos, because they're strictly made for normies and nobody else. It's become impossible to find anything that's niche, and more than half of the time I'm on YouTube, I struggle to find anything to watch that isn't a "hip" and "trendy" thing. All I ever really watch are movie review channels, anime channels, and the few niche channels that I am still subscribed to.
The asking people to subscribe thing is actually proven to dramatically increase subscriber gain. Apparently everyone really is too stupid to remember to press the subscribe button.
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When I came across this comment, I had to contemplate life for a minute.
1 likeSince I work 6 days a week, upwards of 14 hours a day, your videos ARENT LONG ENOUGH!!
1 likeI just found your channel and you you have the best content. I also hate YouTube for what it has become. Keep cool my dude. :-D
0 likesIt’s been 3 years and this is more relevant than ever
2 likesPyrocynical is actually a good channel, and he is very adamant of the fact that he has to comply to the algorithm in order to stay afloat. No, he's far from a leafy clone (at least not anymore), and he's quite entertaining. I'd give his latest videos a try
19 likesThis is the best youtube video on youtube, pure honesty
1 likeWhoa dude...this is golden shit right here ill tell hwhat!
4 likesA lot of people are saying nothing's changed and that this video's still 100% accurate, but I'd say the proliferation of video essay and commentary channels in the past half decade shows that the attention span of the average youtube viewer is drastically different than it was in 2017. There's a fucking VERITASIUM video that came out 5 days ago with almost 6 million views right now, look at how successful the Never Ever series has become, that shit's on my home page almost every day. Maybe it's just that youtube has gotten much better at showing the user what they specifically want, but that's definitely a DIFFERENT problem with the algorithm than existed back then.
3 likesYoutube is even worse today. The algorithm literally just recommends videos I’ve already watched, and nothing else. I always press “not interested” on the video and then “I’ve already watched it” but it hasn’t had any effect on the algorithm WHATSOEVER and it’s impossible for me to be entertained unless i go out of my way to find personal recommendations from other humans
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Who fucking designed this?? I feel like a schizophrenic hearing the same stuff play over and over and over and over and over again (not exaggerating, Morges’s hour long Shane Dawson documentary has actually autoplayed itself a total of 10 times unless i go and stop it.) That isn’t how fucking human brains work. They need STIMULATION not fucking repeated mcdonalds quality content that makes you feel like you are going insane after the 10th listen
4 likes@alex3rd11 true
0 likesI get this same damn problem, like bro wtf stop givin me the same exact shit
2 likes@Anonymous I’ll start to know what they’re gonna say before they say it and i get so mad
0 likesDamn. Of all the YouTubers I've ever seen, you might just be my inspiration. Hell, you have a massive influence over a lot of people. I have always wanted to be an independent YouTuber (haven't started yet), but with all the problems you were mentioning about YouTube was actually getting me immensely worried about how I may want to begin. Like I said before, I love YouTube Poop. YouTube Poop is not just art to me. It's a whole new world, separate from this poor excuse for a reality we live in. They are what makes me laugh. There were actually a few that made me cry. They are what makes my head spin, and my heart skip. They are what brightens a gray sky for me. YouTube Poop is what I watch to rejuvenate and invigorate my senses. I just can't get enough of it. However, I don't think I have what it takes to make one myself. Sure, I have ideas, but I need the equipment to do it, and the knowledge to use it. If YouTube is a job, I intend to enjoy my job. I have to treat my job like it's something I'm going to do for the rest of my life, and if I don't enjoy it, why do I have it? When you mentioned WatchMojo, I looked back to when I would watch them back-to-back, and holy shit. You were right. I was actually subscribed to them for a long time. A problem I intend to fix very soon. I have always loved countdown videos, and I still do, but YouTube Poop is my primary source of entertainment. I think what I love most about them is that they are not only completely unpredictable, but also genuinely unique to each person who makes one, even if it is of the same clips of the same movie or TV show. Everything is done differently. No two YTP's are the same. And the way you made them was just the way I like them. Completely over-the-top, and no lack in variety. Personally, a video is more to me than just a video. It's a memory. Memories of my own adventures. Memories of the friends I made them with. Memories of accomplishment. A testament to my time in this world. Not something I'm literally severing my personality for. YouTube, the way it's going, is like a Concentration Camp. You overwork yourself with shit you are forced into, and they shove all these rules down your throat, and for what? A spoonful of soup juice each day, lucky to find a chunk of...something in there. One step out of line, and it's off to the gas chamber with you (and your crew, if you have one). All kingdoms need some rebellion every now and then. It would be boring otherwise. Thank you for showing us the true face of YouTube.
16 likesThis video is fucking amazing because will speak the truth of YouTube at any time even now
2 likesWait till he hears, about what they did to the dislike button lol 😂
3 likesI enjoyed every minute of this guy insulting me in my face about YouTube
1 likeEmp: says he doesn't want YouTube audience to subscribe to him because his videos are too complex for them to understand
1 likeAlso emp: creates YTPs
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that face when you still assume he still makes ytps
1 likejesus he already stopped a long time ago and has been making videos about documentary of why something devolved today
I so wanted to hate you for ragging on my dawg, BTM, but it turns out your arguments are very valid and your opinions about YT's future are justified. Keep doing you, respect.
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I wish more fans of things or people were as open-minded as you. Ironically, many of EmpLemons' "fans" are more closed-minded! EmpLemon even said so himself!
24 likesLeave youtube to die So VIDME REPLACES IT
3 likesThis is the first time I've seen a comment like this it makes me happy that at least some people can see and anaylize stuff instead of watching 2minutes and hating
0 likesFortunate Talisman I also really agree with this video even though I really like Pyrocynical.
0 likesIS THIS A REASONABLE PERSON ONLINE? HOW CAN THIS BE POSSIBLE??? WE HAVE REACHED INFINITY!!!
0 likesMaybe Google should’ve listened to Emp when it came to that whole be creative and try to do your own thing rather than copy other businesses thing seeing how their whole attempt at getting into the video game market worked out.
0 likesOh don't mind me, I'm here for my annual re-watch of this glorious video.
1 likeThis needs a sequel holy sh\t
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yep😱
0 likesits funny that youtube changes so much in the years since you started, and hasnt changed one bit since this video
3 likesReally enjoy what you said around 46:00. I'm 18. I remember watching the glory days of YT. Each time I would go to the site I was exited. Then about 3 years ago. People like Filthy Frank ans H3H3 came starting to gain mass influence. I thought that YT was becoming great again. Only until this past year YT SHUT ALL of that down. And it sucks because the old videos on YT effected our society. now days it is just shit on a stick, and the people who watch are brainless morons.
161 likesand even the new edgy channels that were deemed as the ones to save YT, are nothing like they used to be. Like for instance Filthy Frank (even though I love him still). Is nothing like it used to be years ago. Now it is just filled with edgy kids. Remember when a Quickscope video in 2009 would get millions of views? Also remember when a simple Lego stopmotion video would get 10million views? Hell even when Minecraft videos like in 2010 was watched by all ages and was enjoyable. That was when the site was innocent somewhat and the content was new. Now the site is just filled with vile kids. And gave no choice to a more aware audience to move to the shadows or just move on in life. YT used to be like watching cartoons in the morning on the weekends with a bowl of cereal. Now it is like a hell fire coming out satans asshole. Love you all.
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Filthy Frank is disgusting. Eating a cake filled with human parts isn't entertaining, it's sickening.
2 likesItsOver666 It's really not obvious to understand his humor, actually. But i agree, that video is a bit over-the-top.
4 likesduyhung 2h The guy isn't funny either. His humour consists of making weird sounds, kissing men in their lips, eating vomit, and covering himself in weird fluids. He always does nasty things which make me want to puke.
0 likesItsOver666!!!!! Yeah... about that, Maxmoefoe is even worse.
0 likes"Youtube has been on a downward spiral"
1 likealways has been
I wish this video would stop aging so well
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This video is aging like milk, but instead of aging like milk in the usual way it's just turning into cheese
1 likeyeesh, watching this video when I was 12 and rewatching it now... Emp really hit the nail on the head
0 likes27:00 That sentence could not be more true on youtube nowadays even if it tried.
1 likeBeing at the bottom of the YouTube food chain much like everyone else here is, I gladly bring myself to watch this video all the way through at least once a month or maybe even twice to remind myself how much this site has fallen from grace.
103 likesSpeaking as a casual browser of YouTube when it was new (even when my account didn’t exist), it’s a real shame to see this website become a shadow of it’s former self with very few people being honest, coming up with ideas that aren’t the same mass-produced stuff you see everywhere, and treating their channels like a fun little hobby. I especially feel insulted whenever YouTube treats their content creators like shit and even pretend they’re completely innocent and not doing anything wrong.
I feel like it’s only a matter of time before YouTube fades into obscurity because of their blatant “mistakes”, creators’ over-saturated and uninspired content, and system where small channels can’t get anywhere on their own...
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what do we do now :( where do we go
2 likesThe Hypest make a new website for the real content creators and leave YouTube for the shitty corporate and copy paste channels
1 likeI never lived to see the Golden Days of YouTube, but judging how people like Emp tell that Content Creator Sanctuary was, I can simply only DREAM of the "What if YouTube remained good?"
2 likesAlso, you think you're at the bottom of the YT food chain with 1.8k subs, when I only achieved 30, and a friend's is just growing with shitty content, while mine just sinks with actual GMod animation (shitty but animation)
I think it is reasonable to infer that effort isn't worth a try nowdays, and we can only watch as YouTube continues to rot away, but there's still hope, many people BASHED this year's Rewind (2018) and turned it into the 2nd most disliked videos of all time, so, if the Jew of Susan gets put to shame like this year consistantly, it is possible they will change for the better.
Charmy The Charizard I hope so if not I'll have to give up on making good content on this site one day
0 likesCharmy The Charizard I hoped so too, but I think at this point it’s another one of those cases of “if you can’t beat ‘em, join ‘em.” I might just make a Fortnite clips or Toy reviews and get big that way (with clickbait thumbnails). It seems like such an easy way to make money, you’d be stupid NOT to join in.
0 likesSunny you shouldn't because it's only making the site worse
0 likes27:27 well emp fun fact when you repeat something enough times people will believe it it a common form of manipulation so yeah you tubers are fake snakes but at least there good at something
2 likesLove the Ultimate Showdown in the background. Lemon Demon good.
0 likesI hate awesome videos that are too short.. so jeah just continue making documentarys :)
1 likeSince this video was uploaded, I've been coming back to it yearly. Every year YT seems to fuck up and this shit happens. 2018 it was the Logan Paul situation and the YT headquarters shooting, 2019 it was when YouTube tried to fuck over the qualifications for channel verification, 2020 was just the whole year, and now, in 2021, it's YouTube trying to remove the dislikes.
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11/10/2021 EDIT: YOUTUBE IS DOING IT, DISLIKES ARE DEAD NOW. JOIN THE SPIRAL🌀🔄♻️🔻❗👇
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Emplemon made a video about dislikes
0 likes@Staringcorgi6 yes I know
0 likes@electrik løss I think removing dislikes is an awful thing to do no one wanted it removed and to quote a wise man "dislikes don't harm people it harms egos"
3 likes@Staringcorgi6 agreed. Utter insanity we live in nowadays
1 likeIts really sad that this video isnt watched by more people.
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Normies wouldn't understand it so its better to be this way.
6 likesRuin39 no it's not more people need to help improve the site which means more people need to watch this
4 likesAnd he made this in 2017. Can't wait for Part 2 on 2022 for the Fifth Anniversary of the platform getting worse and worse.
2 likesJesus, this is almost 4 years old and it could have been made today
2 likesTubes shouldn't only be made by the people, they should be run by the people. Nationalize youtube and make it run by the people. We all need a video sharing platform of reference, you don't need Google or some big corp to run it.
2 likesThis video sparked the Golden Age of EmpLemon
2 likesI miss when the homepage actually had an inbox where comments, personal messages, and new subscribers were listed in their own categories, with a red asterisk to grab your attention when there were new ones to read, and links to your own channel, favorites list, and video manager were in the top right corner of the screen. Now, you have to click your channel icon and pull up a dropdown window and go into that ridiculous "Creator Studio" thing and go through several steps to find your video manager, channel, favorites list, and new comments on your videos since the notification bell only tells you SOME of the new comments you get. I've had to create bookmarks on my browser with links to all those individual pages since YT has now made it so needlessly complicated to access them. Ugh...
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I liked when your Google+ and YouTube comments were both in the same notification menu, and you could respond to YouTube comments in said menu like on Google+.
13 likesNOT ANYMORE
HoopsAndDinoMan I
0 likesI feel like Youtube is just a shell of the shell of itself that used to be a shell of itself
11 likesi agree hoopsanddinoman i agree
0 likeswow that's a lot of shells, the teenage mutant ninja turtles must be impressed
4 likesI wish for the day when clickbait shits become extinct & submit to good channels.
2 likesGod, finally someone points this bullshit out. I once typed a comment that got 400 likes and 62 replies. YouTube only notified me of about three of those comments.
6 likesBen
1 likeSadness
Then you're especially not gonna like how they're now gonna take out private messaging. I don't even understand the reason behind it, but it's happening.
2 likesI had no notifications for almost a year because they disabled the google+ side of things without automatically reactivating my youtube notifications. I had to go through several pages of non-intuitive settings to reactivate them.
0 likesi love how he put 'The Ultimate Showdown in the bachground at 14:00 because of the newgrounds stuff, a very nice touch / easter egg
0 likesThis video has never been more relevant in the age of content creators who put little to no effort in actually making original content like dream,tommyinnit,etc.
0 likesThe most well written script out of all of his videos
0 likesYT Algorithm = The Matrix
5 likesYoutube disaster timeline:
62 likes2012-2013: animation dies out
2014: the rise of buzzfeed, watchmojo and fine bros
2015: clickbaiting is becoming really bad
2016: clickbaiting becomes really, really, really bad
2017: the viner invasion
Edit: 2017 also had the AdPocalypse, restricted mode, fidget spinners, diss tracks, YT and the Las Vegas shooting, Jake Paul Drama, Idubbbz termination and discrimination, FilthyFrank quitting, many useless layout changes and the worst one of them all: DEMONITIZATION!
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Angry Deep Fried Chicken 2018: the search bar is removed and you have to watch videos recommended by the algorithm
7 likesWhitehot Pot the sad reality is that I would not be surprised if they do it
1 likeI come from the future, it gets worse
3 likesBaltyRaven by 2019 the only videos on the site will be sports videos, talk show hosts talking about trump and logan paul poking a dead body.
1 likeWhat about in the 2020's
1 likeIn the 2012-2013 era and prior, animation was BOOMING. The most popular I could find was "EddsWorld" (which I watched myself), and after Edd Gould passed away in March 2012, animation was stopped for a moment. Everyone who looked up to him and time itself on YouTube, stopped. That's when animation started to die out. That's why EddsWorld had its series finale on March 16, 2016, and the other animations just were shit. NOBODY on YouTube likes the classic YouTube videos anymore. They only like WatchMojo, Buzzfeed, Jake/Logan Paul, fidget spinners, and the Tide Pod Challenge. You are a respectable person, dude.
5 likesThank you.
and in 2017: SML Getting False Flagged, and apparently YouTube loved what they did, so then YouTube keeps Demonetizing and Age-Restricting his New-ish videos and even Family Friendly videos!
1 likeTHE AAALLLLLLLGGGGGOOOOORRRRRIIIIIITTTTTTHHHHHHHMMMMMM
0 likesI can say fine bros did a good content until they messed up about the legal property of their content. There some vines that is worth watching although most of them are cringy but other than that Angry Deep Fried Chicken
0 likesall you say has a point.
Ay listen I have absolutely ZERO problems about this being a hour long video...i can listen to empLEMON for hours😝
0 likesthis video was so good and thanks I’m gonna put out the music and content I fucking want to from this point
0 likeswait, 2017?? i thought this was recent
6 likesjesus its only getting worse
Yep, still accurate.
6 likesThis video is very true, anyone who disliked cant face whats going on in youtube
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Marcel Leon People who disliked it are Youtube workers
3 likesIt's 2021, they don't even have a choice to dislike it anymore lmao.
0 likesNow it is kinda ironic to say animation is bad now when you have odd1sout, jaiden animations, tim tom, something else yt, let me explain studios and illyanimations pumping out amazing content
2 likesFun fact about the algorithm. Early in 2021, I suddenly started getting dozens of comments on a video of mine for a different channel, the views had jumped from a couple hundred, to over 8,000. Like oh hell, what video could have possibly triggered YT to list it? A 40 second video response to a Chuggaconroy Let's Play from 2010. First we need to go back to pre-2010, because in addition to leaving comments on videos, we had a feature known as video responses. You could submit a video response to a creator and most times it would be approved as a mutual network to spread videos and attention...course YT felt inclined to remove it, 2012 I think? YT for some reason picked that video out, nearly 12 years after being uploaded, after the video response aspect was removed...who knows.
0 likesAlso anyone else find it funny that YT used to limit non partners to 10 minutes or less...and now punish people for choosing to keep videos short and tack on a lot of filler/fat.
2021 now, video is still true.
2 likesive been on youtube since 2012 on multiple suspended accounts (ironic right?) and its still dogshit.
i wish youtube closed, i mainly use it to rip songs to mp3s.
Man i wish i could have witnessed the old youtube...
1 likeI am going to leave this video on on my back ground and be played over and over and over
112 likesTill it becomes "trending"
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So, what? You're applying the experiment made 2 weeks from now until the YouTube zombies can see it? Actually, that is a f***ing great idea!
25 likesSorry for censoring this comment. Apparently YouTube has created a new revenue system for comments which adhere to the rule of thoughtless and vapid as long as it doesn't have swearing.
HELL SPOON we need to spread it EVERYWHERE!!
0 likestime to abuse the system.
1 liketime to use THE MACHINE to our advantage
This is actually a really good video I’d like to see something like this with how pewdiepie jack and other really popular you tubers have just spammed their favorite tik tok videos as their new videos
1 likeThe most satisfying thing is when you go and search stuff and find small channels that you still watch to this day
0 likesDid you know there’s a thing called the negatively bias wich means negatively effects us more than positive experiences wich is why negative videos get more views
3 likesI like ytps well enough, but I have really sensitive hearing, so I can do without the ear rape. Honestly, the day that ear rape does, ytp videos will be my main subscriptions.
0 likesPapa emp, i wanna say your content is some of the best ive ever seen. I wanna share this vid to my friends but ill make sure that i show them your main content so if they subscribe its for the right reasons. what we need is a site that can actually compete with youtube, a site that can have complete freedom. sadly theres no alternative, we just have to watch the actual good content that we have found.
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Start with te UNincredibles
0 likesYeah i guess "your friends" are also one of those people who have a attention span of 10 minutes. Good luck with changing them buddy.
0 likesok
1 like28:16 I died at that part
1 likeI keep coming back to this every couple months or so for inspiration
0 likesEven 4 years later the downward spiral continues... 😭😭😭
0 likesHey man you got good taste in music, glad to see anyone else knows about ELP
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Pink floyd
0 likesIt's funny I've followed you since ur early YouTube poop days and then youtube made me forget bout you. Couple days ago I rediscovered you and I am blessed to know that you're still around and your content have gotten amazingly good! Keep it up Emplemon! You're one of the few who isnt plague by a corporation
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Your kidding emplemon is making commentary and documentary crap like everyone else on this damn site
0 likes20:29 holy shit over 2 years later I find out that this is Tarkus playing in the background
0 likes18:10
4 likesCorrection: Fernanfloo has been on Youtube since 2011-2012 and has been an important part of spanish Youtube since his rise to fame.
this man right here is a pink floyd fan; this is the second video where ive seen a reference to the album "wish you were here", the other being the album art for it appearing in the one about video games decreasing in quality. Here "welcome to the machine" plays briefly at around the 17:00 mark
2 likesEmplemon's youtube age is 110
2 likesEdit: the real question is what is his power level
Holy shit I forgot how much we needed this video at the time. I’m not sure if I just started to ignore it or if something actually happened
1 likeI've watched this whole thing and I must say, this is probably one of the most important videos I've ever seen in my entire life! This opened my eyes and made the light shine in. Us content creators are in grave danger of loosing what we've worked on and toward. I may reconsider how I do my content after seeing this. I may even listen to this a couple times as motivation while I get my work done.
10 likesI enjoy that even if it's almost an hour you still know that he put time and effort into it
11 likesI keep this video in a special place.
10 likesBeing around since the early days of YouTube (on a different account because my old account got suspended despite me only using it to manage my subscriptions - they never told me what I violated, or even that I violated), I was one of the many people who had the dream of recognition. I wasn't (arguably, still am not) talented or outgoing or charismatic. I was an awkward, spotty teen. But YouTube was such a melting pot of content that I was told that there was something I could do, some way I could refactor this light in my chest and channel it in a way that other people would be interested.
Back then, being "the number one" on YouTube meant nothing. It was so diverse and strange that it was impossible to meaningfully extrapolate your numbers into any measure of success. Every single channel was its own microcosm, and going from one to another to another to another was a short, simple hop across the void. It was the Internet equivalent of "this store doesn't sell the flavour of Mountain Dew I like, but the one across the street might", then you go over there and discover like twenty flavours of Monster Energy, but no Doritos, but the store next door sells those (you were only interested in original, but they also sell cheesy and cool ranch , so that's awesome).
Now everyone is trying to be Walmart. All of the corner shops and mom-n-pop stores went out of business.
That's the problem: the ecosystem of YouTube has changed too much in order to encourage homogeneity. Because homogenous content is free of anything radical or polarising or interesting, and it's easier to monetise. It's not sufficient to "be the change you wish to see". Even if everyone did that, it wouldn't be enough. YouTube has been rotten to its core. The Buddhists say it to the effect of "the pursuit of money is the root of all suffering", and the ecosystem no longer supports the content creators of yore. The fact that one of the top criteria all channels are graded on is "Advertiser-Friendliness", and even if you had no intent to capitalise on your content, failing that criterion will literally decimate your chances. That this is even a criterion that channel owners can observe for themselves is indicative of the corruption that has wrapped around YouTube's creative heart. Search for 'The Tower Dog Leaks' and you'll see just how many eggs YouTube puts in the ad basket, and gag on the sulphur as you notice that they all rotted long ago.
YouTube is beyond saving. It has been so horrendously mismanaged that the extent of the damage is beyond the site itself - it's cultural. Even if their server farm exploded and they had to start over again, it's still irrevocably tainted. 'YouTube' is synonomous with bland, inoffencive, identical slurry. Edgy content like IDubbbz is marginalised, controversial content like Joshua Conner Moon is destroyed. Now everyone is trying to be PewDiePie or Jake Paul and everything is TikTok and Vine revival vids.
YouTube is not worth rising to the top. YouTube is an infernal furnace. And what do you call things that rise to the top of a furnace?
You call it slag. And you scoop it off and throw it away. When the people who define what 'the top' is are the advertisers, I no longer want to rise to the top of something that has sold its prestige. And neither should you. Go out and kick a football.
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Good job giving insight and not being toxic about the situation, as well as perfect grammar and formatting.
1 likeGreat video man, it's pretty depressing how much of a clusterfuck Youtube has become over the years and all of the little guys like myself get pushed completely off to the side for the big name channels and those who side with Google/Youtube's politics. Just a few months ago Youtube made it so when people typed my channel name the only channel result that popped up was a reaction channel which shared the first few letters of my channel name. Even when you typed my full name in it still only showed the reaction channel unless you hit the top button above the search to actually get what you typed. So for a while people had to search for my channel twice in order for it to even show up, thankfully though it's been "fixed".
10 likesIt would be a damn shame to lose Youtube as decades of videos would be lost forever in the void especially the older ones but at the same time I want Youtube to die so a better company can step in and make things right. It's tough, it's like putting down a pet you've had all your life and the only way to help it is to put it to sleep but at the same time you lose them forever.
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The Renegadist Same. I type up my channel. First thing that comes up. xming. Nice to see I'm anonymous to some
0 likesI have rewatched these commentary videos to the point where I can quote a lot of them
0 likesI'm from Brazil, and luckily YouTube Poops have always been insanely popular around here, being called YTPBR which is an abreviation for "YouTube Poop Brasil" and they're just as good as the Americans counter parts. There are old poopers like BomberPooper who makes YTP from El Chavo and Chapolin, and newer ones like ToleZuando who makes YTP from movies and TV shows. So luckily here in Brazil there is not so much ignorance about YouTube Poops, after all, everyone here has already seen the meme of "Te agarro pela cabeça e te JOOJ" or "Seu Madruga Will Go On" and "Chaves luta contra kiKU pra ver se no céu tem pão". Worth seeing even if you don't understand Portuguese
2 likesNow, hear me out, you made this long video essay expressing your opinions in an artistic way, and it reached 1.6m people, like 10% of the user base a decade ago. A good thing, no?
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To elaborate, just cause some garbage gets 100m views doesnt mean its not cool that independent media like this can get millions of views
0 likes“YouTube will always have inspired, creative, passionate individuals making content. It’s just a matter of finding them.”
0 likesCOUGH dillongoo COUGH
I quote Pink Floyd
4 likes“ we don’t need no thought control.”
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yep.
0 likes@emplemon I’ve noticed that your criticisms arise mainly from YouTube’s response to market forces but a lot of your content leads me to believe you lean right politically. Given that capitalism only responds to a profit motive and not necessarily our ideals and values how do you reconcile your political alignment’s strict adherence to free markets with your criticism of the degradation of YouTube those incentives have caused?
1 like27:10 man is speaking facts
1 likeThis aged like fine wine
3 likeslol truthfully if the YouTuber doesn’t remind me to subscribe I’ll forget because I’m too wrapped up in thought from the vid to remember. Emp overestimates his audience or at least a portion of it.
0 likesMan it's fund to see about how people years ago complained about 20+ min videos, when now that's the norm
1 likeThis has aged like fine wine
2 likesGood thing we have lessons in meme culture now
1 likeMaybe no one cares but I just started watching your videos and it’s very difficult to concentrate on what you’re saying because of the great music playing in the background, all bangers.
0 likes8:54 I laughed at this part at first only to realize that at the time I was in fact 15
1 likeI wonder if Emp still hates Pyro after he’s evolved his content
1 likeYour YouTube recommendations is like gut bacteria, takes a while to get developed but it's a fine tuned culture that can be ruined easily
1 likeAs time goes on, I think the median (and mean) age of your average Youtube Viewer has been going down at a very fast pace.
0 likesgood content it demonetized.
0 likesand when vids get ratioed
the platform deletes downvotes to keep things 'fair'
My dad has watched guitar videos on youtube for five or six years and he had absolutely no idea what a sub button was lmfao
0 likesThe next stage of YouTube's Downward Spiral:
232 likesYouTube Rewind 2018
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The very next stage, YouTube Rewind 2019
8 likes@Jonathan C.
5 likesAnd the new Adpocalipse (Again)
Now YouTube Rewind 2019
2 likesThis was beautiful.
0 likesThis video could have been released today and be considered finger on the pulse reporting.
2 likesIf you want to open yourself to the great side of YouTube I recommend Neil Cicierega.
0 likesI'd love to see a follow up to this about the state of YT today.
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same here😃
2 likesYoutube poops and other incredible animations have been my childhood (born 1998). The way talented animators, like achilles12345, could express their humor through their videos left me laughing for hours on end. Not just humor, but also incredible story-telling, like Mark Haynes and his Super Mario Bros Z series. (Highly Recommend for people who give credit where credit is due!)
32 likesAfter watching this entire video I came to a realization: I have allowed myself to become blind by subscribing to low effort, mass produced channels and allowed the "algorithm" to secure my loyalty towards them. The most recent time I was actually captivated by someone's talent was watching the SpongeBob Anime Opening by Narmak. There was just so much to absorb and enjoy and I find it hard to locate more people like him on youtube nowadays.
So in conclusion, I hear you loud and clear EmpLemon and I 100% agree with you. I must thank you for opening my eyes to an unfortunately, painful reality about youtube. Now if you don't mind, I have some unsubscribing to do...
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Sadly, the only notable Youtube animators that are active (and by active, I mean make a new video every few months) would have to be Sir Pelo and Ukinjoe.
1 likeOn the animation note, terminal montage reminds me of ytp’s and has pretty funny animation.
0 likesneeds more views.
4 likesinternet culture is WAAAAY better.. also this is a great thing you’ve made
1 likeIt feels like mobile YouTube is really doing its best to force feed me more videos and take away as much of my user input as possible
1 likeI remember the days of animators actually being able to make a living off YouTube and having a golden age of animation on the platform.
26 likes"or even 5 years", its been 5 years and its not only the same but worse.
3 likes"I swear to fucking Christ, if one more fucking YouTuber tell me to subscribed to them, I'm going to descend to a never before seen debt of my own personal downfall mental spiral"
0 likesDream: Also, only a small percentage of my viewers are actually subscribed
I used to be able to watch like 5hr long videos but ever since I've watched a couple 30 second clips its so hard because youtube just throws it in my face every said 30 seconds
0 likesheck, what you talked about is still better than 2021
3 likesWelp, with YouTube kids disabling comments randomly and the disabling of dislikes, this aged better than fine wine.
4 likesYouTube should just go home and become a family man. This site has jumped the shark way too many times.
2 likesBruh I completely forgot the trending tab existed. I went there once, and never again
3 likesI feel like the American Dream is an excellent metaphor for Youtube Just a dream and nothing else
0 likesEmplemon do you really think that you get somewhere with talent and hard work, do you really think that this problem is youtube only, wrong this is The American Nightmare talking We live in a world where companies are Shepards and we are the sheep yet companies try to claim how The American Dream is the greatness of America even though The American dream is a joke or currently is a joke nowadays the best job you can rise up to is sitting in an office wasting your life away at a dull, grey, lifeless, cubicle probably staring at a calendar with tropical images on it wishing you can go there The Boring Robotic jobs at an office is actually so bad That Tom Scott used an AI for video ideas and they seemed more diverse, intriguing, and unique than anything Watchmojo created so yes a Watchmojo was literally more Robotic than an actual Robot
The reason why it is the way it is that Companies don't really care about standing out or being different or adding personality, depth, emotion, they just want to appeal to as many people as possible no matter what the cost in other words Con artistry is the newest trend in companies. just look at Buzzfeed who rather than confront actual misogyny, and sexism (and they can't because they are so politically correct that if they talk about one slightly controversial thing) they cover some of the prettiest issues like Manspreading featuring a girl with a top hat taking as much space as possible rather than discuss the horrific crimes of Harvey Weinstein
inb4 this gets overshadowed by Commentary videos, low effort gaming, Emoji Movie rants, fidget spinner videos, toy videos, Buzzfeed, Watchmojo, and anything from the trending tab.
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Yep Basically The Norm Now...
50 likesPie Pivotmontier-O
36 likesYou know it will.
and sonic mania reviews
7 likessup pie-piv
0 likesand youtubers begging you to check out their channel
41 likesₚₗₛ
There's an extension for firefox/googlechrome named video blocker and it
33 likesallows you to block all the fidget spinner channels you want
atm i have 1619 channels blocked and i will never need to see them for
as long as i use this extension
What's wrong with Fidget mojo?
0 likesi joined
0 likesAnd the popular game of the week (Persona 5,Sonic maina etc.)
0 likesWho's fucking tired of seeing videos on videogames that just came out like a day ago that show the ending of the game as well as the final boss, even if you didn't look it up? People just fucking love putting out this relevant content without caring about spoilers in the title or thumbnail! It's fucking dumb af, and YouTube is supporting it!
38 likesKirby Of The Stars I love when people do that before the game is even out!
4 likesAyden Buckley In Danganronpa reddit, people (myself included but jokes on them, i'm already spoiled) have been receiving PMs with spoilers from v3 (most recent game which hasn't been released yet)
1 likeI'm probably the only one who hates Jacksepticeye and Markiplier with a passion.
17 likesAll they do is overreact to FNAF and Undertale. Whilst occasionally making half decent videos with one funny joke.
Shakespeare's Apple. No your not alone
3 likesShakespeare's Apple. Its true that they overreact, but every youtuber overreacted to fnaf and it was annoying af. Also markiplier actually played fnaf through till the complete end (which isnt much, but compared to other youtubers it is) and thats kinda nice and markiplier also always seems like he knows something about the games he plays. Other channels usually just suck at the games they play and have bullshit commentary. Markiplier is only a bit better
21 likesShakespeare's Apple. Damn it you're fucking right and Jacksepticeye does suck hard. I only defended Markiplier because of what you said even though im not actually a fan (In fact he is quite boring to watch). I like that he played the first FNAF until the end and even did it on the hardest difficulty. He played 7 hours in a row just for the 20/20/20/20 score in FNAF 1 which is something I really have respect for. (Unlike Pewdiepie who played the first game only half and then said that he would never play FNAF again. When FNAF 2 came out he just played it without even ending the first one.)
17 likesWaPepe Don't forget jake paul
2 likesXelgodis Gaming not really.....you have to see the rest of the video,
5 likesXelgodis Gaming not really.....you have to see the rest of the video,
1 likeXelgodis Gaming They were alive AT THE TIME he talked about them
8 likesXelgodis Gaming when did I EVER say that BTM was ever good.
6 likesthanks pie
4 likesAre you fucking kidding me?
0 likesAnd behind the meme.
0 likesI don't think that watch mojo is that bad. I like to watch the superhero/supervillain backstory vid's cause i can not keep up on comics always.
0 likeskite man I will find and use that extension for the rest of my life too bad I'm mostly on mobile
0 likeso no better cry about it
0 likesPie Pivotmontier-O Then there are the people like Kristian Ma (A highly skilled TF2 yter) IMO, that don’t get the recognition they deserve
2 likesWatchMojo is dead. They barely get views now. They have more Empty Subscribers than VSauce (Empty Subscriber means sub that does not watch your vids)
0 likes@Xelgodis he does not make YTP anymore. Get with the times, normie.
0 likes@Mattok101 DigitalTamer
0 likesNecroing 2 year old comment threads? Okay, boomer.
@Xelgodis Being pissed off because people reply to threads that are old? Ok Zoomer.
0 likesRIP
0 likesI can't believe its already been 4 years.
2 likesI just love I found this channel through youtube recommendations. Subbed.
0 likesIt really hasn't improved in the last ~3.5 years either. And we have no alternative.... it sucks.
1 likeI think this is the demon version of EmpLemon. He sound REALLY PISSED.
1 likeIt's a shame that people didn't listen to the whole thing. Because this is by far, the best video on YouTube's algorithm.
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same man :I
0 likesI didn’t even know what subscribing did for a long time because so many channels advertised it. I thought it was like a popularity thing
3 likesThis video has inspired me to have my friends throw sandwiches at me for science
0 likesIt's not just youtube of course, this kind of thing. And it's not just about profits, it's about subjugation. But it's never been sustainable and it will meet its end - maybe sooner than we think.
1 like2005-2011 broadcast yourself
5 likes2012-2016 corporation and bland signs start to show
2017-2021 censorship and basically a corporate clickbait shit content city with endless ads
It's fucking pathetic how some reaction channels squeeze in multiple mid roll ads in their videos.
110 likesI also hate how YTPs that are actually in the algorithm aren't even that good to begin with (Newly released animated film YTPs that only consist of dead memes, swirly mirror effects, and voiceovers)
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Paranoot I know a guy like that
1 likeI once saw a Force Awakens YTP in the trending tab, and literally all it was was: normal conversation, character screaming something unrelated in reply, and freezing on actors in a "lul wtf eggsdee" reaction. For nine minutes.
10 likesHad over a million views and tons of likes.
Paranoot Cough Da Boos Baby cough cough
1 likeEl Spoggerino that's why I watch people like cs188 he's been on for a while
0 likesMatt Murdock Cough Cough Emotional yellow faces cough cough
1 likeThe fact that you took something a hater said and made it part of your brand continues to amaze me.
1 like27:19 EmpLemon.exe has stopped working
3 likesI completely agree, I spend hours every day filming my videos then trying to edit them to make them funny and actually watchable then when im finally done 10 hours later and 3 people start the video see I have 165 subs and then no one else sees my videos. maybe someone will come and dislike it and I gain nothing and it just makes me depressed
0 likes38:25 and now they've ripped off YouTube shorts from TikTok
4 likesWhat if nobody was lying about their age, and the actual median age of youtube users were like 124 years old. It could explain why these senile people keep forgetting how to unsubscribe.
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fair point
9 likesI love the “youtubers speaking their minds” with 1 frame of jontron
4 likesThis platform is committing suicide. All for the glory of the dollar.
1 likeThe idea of YouTubers wanting to monetize everything was in my opinion the worst thing. Not that I fault them. They have their grind to make their money.
But when money gets involved in anything, it poisons everything. And people who want to just make content just for fun, it gets shadowed by people with sponsors and high production value
How all of this is the sad truth now just polarizes my own mind. He called all of this stupid crap and look where we're at now. YouTube turned themselves into enemy #1 of video/streams.
0 likesthis video still needs more views
2 likesOne thing I think you've done with these long videos is evolved the YTP trend in a way that makes them really useful as tools to keep people paying attention and stay entertained through a thoughtful, albeit longwinded, discussion. It's really kind of transforming the long-form analytical discussion video genre on YouTube too, as I think nearly everyone these days uses some elements of YTP to keep people engaged in these kinds of videos, especially in gaming and anime videos.
29 likesI don't know what my whole point is necessarily, but I guess I'm just trying to make excuses for why I just watched a 49 minute video lol
Average 2017-present dark age YouTube fan .V.S Average 2008-2016 YouTube golden age enjoyer.
2 likes38:36 "why not try to become distage from your competitors rather than making shittier versions of their products"
5 likesWell, recently they release the Youtube Shorts "feature" that is just a copy of Tiktok.
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Except that YouTube Shorts is way more watchable.
0 likesThis is the best vid ive ever seen.
4 likesYet again,I feel like we need to go on a strike when it comes this crap.
0 likesIt’s crazy how this is still true almost 2 YEARS LATER. I’m just happy we have channels like you who actually speak a opinion on something that needs fixed.
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Even more true today
2 likesThree years later and it has gotten worse at an exponential rate and it is extremely disappointing that upon rewatching this I thought to myself that it wasn't even close to how bad it is now which is very depressing.
1 likeI don't think that people should be shamed for watching corporate stuff. Let them, if they find that entertaining they should have the right to feel ok watching it. It is content to relax probably, not to pay attention or anything.
2 likesGreat video emp, I'm taking your advice and unsubscribing from channels I don't care about. hopefully someday youtube can have better content in the future
0 likes11:56 God, I miss the weird part of YouTube.
1 likeyou know, i agree with you for one reason: You put enough effort into your content to ACTUALLY CITE MUSIC
21 likesi love you
This video was amazing.
0 likesDude u had like 150k subscribers about a month ago ! Ur rising super fast ! 👏
0 likesBecause of this vid, im actually on a mental downward spiral
0 likesLove the Gavin shoutout. I can't stand how dumbed-down content is nowadays
0 likes49min and all edited OMG it take me like 45 min to edit a 5min video like you edit this one, I can't even imagine how much time does it take to make your videos. And I'm not even going to tall about YTPs that's just another lvl, that is why I aprecciate your channel; you really put effort on your videos.
26 likesOh yeah, I almost forgot to mention.
1 likeHeaven forbid you say something that isn't within a popular consensus, because then mountains upon mountains of people are gonna show up and scream death threats, suicide baits, rape threats, or any other horrible shit just because it isn't the exact same regurgitated opinion that EVERY OTHER PERSON HAS. It doesn't matter what it is, and it doesn't matter if what the hate storm does is legal(it fucking isn't), because Youtube doesn't fucking care about legality, it doesn't care about morality, all Youtube cares about is it's fucking money. And the fact that I can't even say what this is without fear of getting hundreds of people screaming bloody murder at me, speaks volumes about how cancerous people can truly be. Hallelujah, HOLY SHIT... (where's the tylenol...)
YouTube aged liked milk
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Aged like milk that's been pissed in but someone still drank and threw it back up in the glass then shat in it
6 likes"Liberal propaganda"
0 likesI about choked on my drink. Thanks for acknowledging that for what it was.
As a small YouTuber, it really helps to watch this video every few months to recalibrate myself and make sure I'm doing the best I can be doing.
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Yeah, that’s what scares me about making videos, am I too much like these dull channels with no soul.
4 likesFucking hell I love your editing, good points, good humour. Sub earned.
12 likesHey Emp, not sure if you will see this comment as the video is so old. However, after watching it again, I was wondering if it would make sense to do a "State of YouTube in 2022" type of video to see your comments and thoughts from 5 years ago and compare them to the current YouTube landscape. I think it would make for an interesting video so just a thought. Thanks!
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The video could be about migrating away from youtube
0 likesI've already watched the full video 4 times now.
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Iv been watching this video for years and made my own 2018 YouTube down spiral
0 likesYoutube doesn't make sense to anyone including its creators. I get recommended the same 30 videos everyday and even if I go through and click not interested on every video, I still end up with the same content. Either other videos I've already watched, some 9.8M sub history Channel or fucking Vice news. I think youtubes algorithm isn't trying to push new creators content, and I believe that's youtubes purposeful doing. They never knew how the algorithm worked, but it seems like all the sudden the algorithm is specific to the kinds of content it's pushes because youtube tweaked it to not show the "offensive", unique, and even gaming content. The only people I'm recommended today are much more family friendly. The people I am subscribed to should show the algorithm what I enjoy to watch, yet it gives the complete opposite. I feel like this has gotten much worse because of lockdown, youtube has so many eyes on it all the time now, and grimey "news" outlets will pounce on any chance they get.
4 likesI was born in late 2007 and i started watching youtube about late 2010. My fav youtube series were the original Supercats Trilogy.
0 likesi watched yt for the first time when i was 6 yrs old in 2010. i was amazed. animations and quality gameplays were just a click away.
47 likesi watched minecraft and portal gameplays, lazer compilations, asdf movies and old ytps made in 2008. it was great. but in 2013 everything changed. no recent portal gameplays, minecraft gameplays were out of control and all over yt, didnt find lazer compilations in my recommendations beside videos by people reacting to them, almost no new asdf movies just reuploads and nearly every ytps made at that time were low quality (nothing but a video made of rewinds and cuts). this was the time when i discovered what memes are. i didnt find good memes just the old, boring and overused ones. compilations of everything were everywhere, top 10s, waaaay too many reaction videos and shitty gaming channels with lots of subs everywhere. but im still here on youtube finishing this comment at 5 in the morning knowing that it will never be found in the ocean we call the comment section.
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I found it in like 5 seconds.
5 likeswhat the fuck this is so inspiring
3 likesKinda messed up how between this video's release, the time this comment was posted, and probably the time you're reading this comment things on YouTube have gotten only worse. I guess we still haven't seen the bottom of the spiral somehow.
1 likeYou know the worst thing is that there is NO alternative that I can find. I would love to just use another site but if theres one out there I just cant find it
2 likesCan we have a TikTok version now that it’s 2022 lol The epitome of human stupidity.
2 likesJust wanna say Emp, you got great music taste. Part of why i like watching these videos
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ELP for life
4 likesKanto battle was neat.
0 likesDouble bass by gorillaz, never thought I’d see a YouTuber put it in one of their videos, one of my favorite songs of all time
6 likesBest music taste of any youtuber. This video especially is amazing. The rant over Achilles Last Stand is amazing; that rant is 5x as long as it needs to be and would be pretty annoying with no background music, but the music makes it a genuinely poignant, emotional experience. Guy could be a music supervisor for a TV show, easily.
0 likesThe 2.3k dislikes are most likely children
4 likesYoutube died, right when they favored the advertiser over the consumer.
1 likeWaluigi goes to college made me die of laughter
2 likesNow I know what kind of content i will make :D.
0 likesThank you for this guide!!!
I honestly can't tell if the 13-year-old elitists in this comment section are sarcastic or not but honest man I haven't watched a fifty-minute video on a topic I don't know anything about since bill nye. This was really eye-opening. 10/10 editing & commentary.
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Laura C yeah the wrong audience got to this video (I think)
3 likesYou watch Bill Nye? Unironically?
3 likesNosferatu as a kid yeah, but i'd still watch him now. you gonna shame me?
4 likesNosferatu ???? dude since when does bill nye preach sjw propoganda in his science show???
8 likesLaura C he does that all the time in his new show
3 likesas long as you understand bill nye isn't a real scientist
4 likesBlue Typhoon2017 Welcome to my world. The downward spiral into a politically obsessed internet utopia continues.
6 likesI hoped that problems in 2017 were at least slightly diffrent like even one problem more or less
1 likeMan i watch Exurb1a, you, Motorcycle videos and internet historian.
0 likesI still feel pretty good and unaffected by Youtubes shitstorm.....for now.
I could listen to you rant for hours, because ALL of your points are relatable and true. AND, then you put Achilles Last Stand in here like a boss. This is Quality content.
8 likesI actually watched through this. The entire thing. And it was spot-on.
7 likesI whole-heartedly agree with every word you said. And you're right, changes DO need to be made, quite drastic ones in fact. But the fact of the matter is, when you become such a big corporate face like YouTube is, you start to group people as a whole, and not as individual. There are individual people who made this website what it is, and that's both a good thing (2005-2012) and a bad thing (2012-present).
There come times when you're too small to even be noticed. And that's really scary. Think of when you're trying to petition the government a new law that will help millions of people, but they just scoff and brush you aside. "Just another citizen." But that's not true, we're all unique.
And that's what makes me worried about YouTube. They don't see uniqueness anymore. They try to find what's hot and tReNdY right now and ride on it until it dies in a fiery inferno, then wash, rinse, and repeat until, congratulations, you've made a bad website. People I look up to that are still relatively small don't get noticed. They remind me of the people who just want to be noticed by their favorite celebrity but can't be because they're all the way in the back of the room. That just sucks.
I want things to change, I really do. I remember back before this all started, I used to love going onto YouTube and seeing my favorite channels uploading a new video, and it would be great no matter what, because they were great. But now things have changed. Whenever I see someone upload a video, it's a gamble. Will it be good? Will it be bad? I don't want things to be a gamble, I just want to see the good content I subscribed for in the first place.
While things don't seem hopeful right now, I still have that determination that things will get better, somehow. And if you read through all of this, I hope you have that determination, too.
I watched the whole thing. Truest thing I've ever watched. Almost everyone I know irl is basically a zombie and I constantly wish to be part of something more interesting, something that isn't just content being thrown at me. I'm an artist and a programmer, so I might actually be able to one day.
7 likesThis is the YouTube equivalent of "I'm mad as hell and I'm not gonna take it anymore!" You know, I've been here, not under this name, since YouTube was brand new. Even on night shifts and with ages of homework and endless studying and making the insane length/detail outlines that I made when university taught me I needed to study, I was here when I could be. I must be the single human being on the planet whose attention span was lengthened by YouTube. Or maybe it was three hour classes. Who knows? Either way, a video under 15 minutes is insulting unless I really like a particular person or what they create. I'm going to hold the creators I focus on to a higher standard. I get so many notifications I just brush off and never watch. Why put up with that? That's cancer.
7 likesThanks, my guy. I'm riding out the storm watching your channel. I'm really pleased with what I see here. You're deep, thoughtful, and insightful. You also have a way of communicating that is above and beyond anyone I watch. You incorporate sound, image, and the spoken word into every frame with artisan skill and an edge of your own. You're pretty different, or maybe I've just gotten used to it. I'll say this. I'd have never guessed you were so young. That's a good thing. I used to get annoyed when people said that. Don't. People like you are the future. Now if we could just get an army of equally as talented, careful people, and they actually thrive.
Oh wait this is YouTube. What am I, retarded? Well, almost no one I like has over a million subs, and one person that I like just as a troll has much more. I'm happy with that. I hope you stick around.
You should really do more stuff like this, this was really good and honestly was some well needed commentary on the current state of YouTube.
7 likesI miss when "Unforgivable" was the funniest shit on here
0 likesIts gonna keep happening every year
2 likes8:06 "those aren't pancakes! Those are landmines!"
0 likesIt's been particularly difficult to keep asian street food and pet videos off my recommendations lately, and YouTube can't tell the difference between a quality gaming video and a lets play.
1 like34:00 I appreciate your rant about movies being "over 30min long" is after the 30min mark 👌🏿
0 likes28:51 We should be asking people to unsubscribe.
3 likes4:58 Based ELO Discovery album art
1 like11:05 “Look Gary there I am again!”
This video aged well
2 likesThis video will forever hold up until a change is made
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So... forever then
2 likes4 years later on the dot since this video was published and it has never been more relevant
1 likeMore people need to see this this should be add campaign like that dude Matt
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From what I've heard, Matt'swhatitis helped to create the adpocalypse.
0 likesThis is why I never close YouTube and keep it always on subscriptions
1 like3 years ago feels like the good times now
1 likethis video aged so good
1 like"This video is looooooong".
3 likes*Pyrocynical's 7 hour Utopia video appears*:
this video aged like fine wine
2 likes4 years later, YouTube is now TV and Instagram' child-
1 likeAt least there are still funny and creative youtubers like Gus Johnson and Eddy Burback who inspired me to do a skit of my own with my friends.
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Those guys are yt legends
0 likesYour editing game is on point! Seriously the most visually stimulating video essay I've seen since horseshoe finale. You got quality.
8 likesI don't know if I should go with "Ok Boomer" or "someone ate the member-berries"
0 likesDoes anyone think YouTube will never recover?
1 likeThis video is fucking timeless
3 likesI subscribed at the screaming for subscribers part
3 likesHalf of the channels I watch regularly, as in binge daily, I'm not subscribed to.
2 likesobligatory fine wine joke
6 likesThis video certainly aged well
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needs a part 2.
0 likesWe need a follow up to this video
3 likesEmp I hope you see this and if you do I want to say, that I completely fucking agree. Fucking effortless toy reviews and fidget spinner videos get more views and subs than actual fucking good content which is awful. I started watching your videos in around 2013-2014 and loved them and when you started doing rants I still loved them, because I can really relate and completely agree to what you have said. I honestly love the change of content you did because of how interesting these videos are! Emp thank you so much for making this and I can't wait to see more of your content.
8 likesThIs ViDeO iS tOo LoNg
1 like49 minutes and 2 seconds is 2942 seconds. That's waaaay too long, bro.
We gotta get that down to about 5-6 of em.
i can't find the timestamp, but i want there to be a next carykh, or jan misali. true variety channels that introduce their audiences to different topics they may not have been interested in. i didn't care about conlangs at all until jan misali, and now i'm really interested in them
0 likesYoutube forgets its a Social Media.
2 likesNot a TV Conglomerate
To be honest i would legit watch a goldfish play tf2
0 likesMore than two years later, and this video is still relevant, especially when the COPPApocalypse is coming soon.
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I'm betting (and hoping) that this will actually kill Youtube.
27 likes@Red Physical I hope this will lead to the popularisation of alternatives.
45 likesAlso, this will not kill YouTube. There are too many channels and corporate entities and fans of those sources for YouTube to just suddenly become a ghost town.
I have come from the future to tell you that coppa has (almost) ruined youtube
5 likesI have come from the actual future to say coppa hasn't done shit
31 likesYou mean besides all the videos that you can’t comment on now
2 likes@Mewbat 79Yeah, removing comments isn't really threatening the integrity of yt
10 likesSure
0 likes@Mewbat 79 not to mention how few false positives there were
4 likesLet's be real......... We would need the fucking infinity gauntlet to instantly just erase everyone over 50 and have them replaced by our generation that understands this shit and why it sucks in order for any change to have
7 likesCoppa happened and........... Nothing
1 likeNothing changed to be honest
5 likesi am from the future. i have come to tell you that coppa didnt change anything and we were shitting our pants for no reason
5 likesA different apocalypse is gonna happen in 2020 bro
0 likes3 years ago! Damn.
1 likeare we dead?
0 likes@Danny Caracciolo what makes you think that every over 50 old has done something wrong
0 likesYeah, hows that COPPApocalypse going?
2 likes@4nt You can't comment memes on SpongeBob vids anymore! And comments on year-old videos have been nuked, and even stuff NOT MEANT FOR KIDS like "Kermit it's not a Cookie" have been marked.
0 likesYou redditors do this every single time a new law comes into play on YouTube. Remember NET NEUTRALITY? Yeah exactly.
1 like@Red Physical nope!
0 likes@MiX3K any other similar site would have to follow the same rules.
2 likes@Holy_Crusader Of The Holy Land I guess people forgot about how Youtube can put ads on your videos and take all the money for themselves and not to the creators, thanks Susan
0 likesR
0 likesit’s still relevant
0 likes6:58 good job 4chan! You did good!
0 likesI joined YouTube to make gaming content. I had to start doing meme videos to get viewers and those got THOUSANDS of views but the gaming content that I enjoy making barely makes TEN
0 likeshe is speaking facts here.
2 likesCharmx was the only good reaction channel and nobody can change my mind
0 likesYoutube has become a huge sellout now, there's really nothing we can do. This was bound to happen, wasn't it? As more and more people visit youtube, a site now owned by google, a colossal corporation, it'll want more. More money.
9 likesI honestly can't stand these annoying people, talking about fidget spinners or whatever garbage trend is circling right now, I don't like it. There will be less of the content I like, and more of the garbage content that is spewed out daily and forced into our brains. I am in a school where I'm surrounded by unfunny kids who try too hard to be cool, talking about the latest trend that most people don't really care about. That school is just a conglomerate of stereotypes that no one but me seems to see. While they talk about fidget spinners and snapchat/instagram, I just watch them and just keep thinking about how they can talk about that stuff without being disgusted themselves. There's really no one in this school who breaks away from that norm, it sucks. I probably sound like some raging old guy, but I don't care. Youtube and the society we're in is just filled with garbage content, Buzzfeed, and fidget spinners, and emojis. You can't forget the Emoji Movie.
Has the dawn ever seen your eyes?
1 likeHave the days made you so unwise?
Realize, you are.
Had you talked to the winds of time
Then you'd know how the waters rhyme
Taste of wine
How can you know where you've been?
In time you'll see the sign
And realize your sin.
Will you know how the seed is sown?
All your time has been overgrown
Never known.
Have you walked on the stones of years?
When you speak, is it you that hears?
Are your ears full?
You can't hear anything at all.
The preacher said a prayer.
Save every single hair on his head.
He's dead.
The minister of hate had just arrived too late to be spared.
Who cared?
The weaver in the web that he made!
The pilgrim wandered in
Commiting every sin that he could
So good...
The cardinal of grief was set in his belief he'd saved
From the grave
The weaver in the web that he made!
The high priest took a blade
To bless the ones that prayed
And all obeyed.
The messenger of fear is slowly growing, nearer to the time
A sign.
The weaver in the web that he made!
A bishops rings a bell
A cloak of darkness fell across the ground
Without a sound!
The silent choir sing and in their silence
Bring jaded sound, harmonic ground.
The weaver in the web that he made!
Clear the battlefield and let me see
All the profit from our victory.
You talk of freedom, starving children fall.
Are you deaf when you hear the season's call?
Were you there to watch the earth be scorched?
Did you stand beside the spectral torch?
Know the leaves of sorrow turned their face
Scattered on the ashes of disgrace.
Every blade is sharp; the arrows fly
Where the victims of your armies lie
Where the blades of brass and arrows reign
Then there will be no sorrow
Be no pain.
Im gonna come and rewatch this when i loose motivation on maling videos briefly
0 likesRemember when Emp was almost always this angry?
0 likesStill holds up today
3 likesI agree, youtube has a victorian class system as you said, we've already gone through the industrial revolution of youtube. there's so many parallels you can draw if you look deeper. see, before the industrial revolution people used to just make stuff for themselves and the people around them. when factories came around allowing the means of production (i sound like a communist lol) to fall into the hands of only a few factory owners, they became mega powerful and the little guy was put out of business not because he was inherently bad, but because the factory owner with his big factory could drown out whatever the little guy made. now replace the "factory owner" with "big youtuber" and replace the "little guy" with "poor dude with less than 100 subscribers and half of them don't even watch his videos anymore" and replace the "factories" with "the algorithm" or "mass-produced videos" or "ad revenue to support a videomaking lifestyle" or "clickbait" and you got youtube's slow descent into late-stage unadulterated capitalism with an unhealthy obsession for growth, money, and competition
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"late-stage unadulterated capitalism with an unhealthy obsession for growth, money, and competition" thats exactly what were missing that made youtube great back then
5 likesy know, this isnt even a problem with youtube anymore, this is a problem with society as a whole.
11 likesUnhealthy obsession with growth and money, yes. But competition, no. Competition is less prevalent on YouTube than it ever has been. That's one of the biggest, if not THE biggest, problem with YouTube today. No competition. For the exact reasons you've listed here; YouTube has grown to massively favor the big guys and all the small channels have completely fallen by the wayside. They can't get traction or exposure unless they're very lucky or EXTREMELY industrious.
6 likes@dragonsder yes this is capitalism working how it is designed. Late stage capitalism is always imperialism. That is why big companies alway move into new markets to dominate once they learn how from the original “frontier people”. All wealth people from old systems plantation owners, feudal lords, etc still dominate capitalist markets today. Open source technology aka common ownership is the only way to be liberated.
0 likesI know this is an ancient video, but... at 28:48, the answer is because of the Home tab. I get videos of people I want to watch all the time, only to click and find out that - either by glitch, mysterious unsub that youtube does sometimes, or genuine forgetfulness - I'm not subbed to them.
0 likesThe Home tab has erased the usefulness of the subscribe button, but the subscribe button is still the metric that determines whether your channel is worthy enough for the algorithm to acknowledge. That's why people have to ask their audiences to subscribe; because you don't have to anymore, and most people just don't now.
I was laser focused all 49 minutes and 3 seconds.
1 likeI like how many times he said the word "poop" in this video.
0 likesIts gotten so much worse lol back in 2017 I was able to ignore it mostly but now its literally everywhere.
3 likesWatch the whole video before commenting. All 49 minutes. All the way through. In order.
3273 likesYou won't, but it's worth a try
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EmpLemon hi
10 likesEmpLemon ok
5 likesChallenge accepted.
54 likesEmpLemon don't tell me what to do
6 likesEmpLemon I already watched the whole thing
51 likesEmpLemon
5 likesGay
EmpLemon Love ya' dad
5 likesToo late
3 likesEmpLemon nah
1 likeEmpLemon done
6 likesUnderstood, dad
2 likesEmpLemon no
0 likesWhat if I don't want to?
1 likeOh no I failed
0 likesHi I guess
2 likesEmpLemon Hi lol
1 likeEmpLemon maybe
0 likesEmpLemon so close to the 200k
3 likesEmpLemon Your editing is God-like. I'm a big fan.
8 likeslove me
2 likesThe fact that you could find enough issues to make a video this long basically shows how far down the spiral youtube has gone........................friendly cat videos to this
14 likesI've been watching you, poops4theworld, and the guy who made sponge ed edd'n eddy and a couple other cartoons fight a giant satanic rabbit
1 likenawwwww
0 likesPlease make a best YTPs of 2016
0 likesEmpLemon this is the slickest way to earn ad revenue
3 likesAlso congrats you're very close to 200k
0 likesEmpLemon isn't it a coincidence that after behind the meme deleted the woah meme video he made (because of all the hate) Stephan was cured of cancer.
3 likesWatched the whole vid
0 likesThe Token Black No ads on this video
0 likesDisGuy OvahEere Jimmy Davis made one, WATCH IT!
1 likeBilly doubting you watched the entire video. It's been out for only 20 minutes
0 likesEmpLemon I see you're a fan of ELO 🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂
0 likesEmpLemon ok
1 likeOh shit I failed
EmpLemon genuinly good content
3 likesEmpLemon is that gorillaz I hear my man
0 likesEmpLemon challenge accepted
0 likesi had to , cant just go past the old animations and not react dude
0 likesEmpLemon no
0 likesI have done it
1 likeEmpLemon sponge bob poops are the best
0 likesSpeaking of fame on YouTube, you are almost at 200,000 subs
0 likesyou actually found and used a Frankenstein midi for your video, thank you
0 likesSeriously dude, this is a great video and I agree with most of the points being a long time youtube watcher.
4 likesI will. But my comment is contradicting my claim
1 likeI did
1 likeOkay, bet
0 likesI am right now
1 likeWhat if you were never in a downward spiral, but instead youtube's downward spiral had an affect to your channel?
0 likesThank you EmpLemon
0 likesEmpLemon don't worry I did
0 likesI saw the full thing, and although my mind is overwhelmed by all the negativity of the state of today's world, I cared just enough to hear people like you speak out against the zombie system that failed to learn from its consequences.
2 likesvideo gets demonotized for not being ""advertiser friendly"
3 likesI just finished watching it. I agree, don't force yourself to watch a video because you feel like you should, question if you are actually enjoying it. I didn't enjoy watching this video, but at least the creator knows that and reminds you that a unsubscribe button exists. Some people are fucking morons, and think that content is good when it really is just garbage. I'm not one, but it's hard not to be considering this video is right about everything it says.
2 likesEmpLemon I watch all 49 minutes don't believe me I tell you what's at the end it a unsubscribe button with [ ]
1 likethank you emplemon, for a good god damn explanation of youtube.
0 likesThis spreads beyond the scope of YouTube, for whats its worth, the whole of internet is a shit field covered in people looking for gold
1 likeThis video only cements the reason why I chose to stop being nonpolitical
0 likesIt's all their rhetoric and filth
Emp and I would be great friends in person lol
#AbandonShip
0 likesI did it. Do I get a cookie or something?
0 likesGood video
0 likesEmpLemon I did, lol.
0 likesEmpLemon Quality content, and I'm not being sarcastic in the slightest. I absolutely agree with the message being displayed here, and it is sad that there's nothing that we can do to change it. But at least there ARE people, like you and I, who at least try to fight the system. In short, it's the legacies of those who fight for YT justice, that will go down in history.
5 likesBut I did though
0 likesI watch 48 minutes and am now commenting.
2 likesmom pls
0 likesEmpLemon I really like what you said about YTPs being videos people make for fun. Not for business, not for views, not to be relevant, but for fun. We need more videos like this, videos that are actually creative, clever, original, and just good.
0 likesEmpLemon were you bashing on charmx or were you sorta praising him?
0 likesEmpLemon i love your shit
0 likesEmpLemon thank you. Thank you for this video. I've been waiting for someone to finally bring up all this shit. Every other youtuber simply says "fuck the adpocalypse" and that's it. They never go in depth because they are too afraid of big bad team youtube. I can't say it enough. Thank you.
0 likesI watched a l l o f i t
0 likesManaged to watch this vid before I knock out 👌
0 likesEmpLemon Pin this
0 likesEmpLemon I've done it
0 likesEmpLemon i watched the full vid and i STRONGLY agree with your points. Today channels are usally oversaturated corprate run steaming shit. small channels i know are great in animation. I was a zombie but you have opened my eyes even farther then before.
2 likesYou have put an ASTOUNDING amount of effort and thought into this video. I've been on YouTube for quite a while, and despite the bad things that are happening, I STRIVE to watch only the highest quality videos that I'm actually interested in. In spite of the crap, I, along with you especially, keep the core values of what YouTube is dear to me to this day. I commend this video and your efforts over the years. Your voice is a voice of reason! PRAISE BE UPON YOU! PRAISE!
2 likesAlso can we talk on Skype or something? I've always wanted to talk to you and ask about the stuff you made and make, and gather answers from the horse's mouth.
I did. And i agree with EvErYtHiNg
1 like"You won't but it's worth a try."
0 likes😏
dude props to you for all the editing ;o
1 likeEmpLemon Thank you for finally standing up for the people well the viewers who can't. Thank you PapaEmp
1 likeChallenge completed
1 likeI did.
1 likeAnd now I feel like shit because of what YouTube has become.
EmpLemon you just described how people think about valve!
2 likesDid it
0 likesYou sir have hit the hammer on the nail that others have been missing for years... Thank you!
1 likeI have to say Emp, you have a good taste in music.
2 likesGood bideo.
1 likeThis was one of the best YouTube video's I've ever seen, and I say that without a single trace of humor. Thank you so much for making this. It was truly a masterpiece.
2 likesEmpLemon I'm really glad you made this video. I've been going through a heavy bout of depression for the past week or so, for multiple reasons. This video didn't lift my spirits, it didn't brighten my day or encourage me. It made me angry. Right now, I am fucking FUMING at the state of the world, at my family, at my own ineptitude, and at the complete loss of integrity that YouTube has gone through. I might not know how to deal with my issues, but I can't let myself stand by while the world tears itself apart around me. It's good to know that other people are just as fed up as I am. (Sorry if this comment seems weirdly emotional, btw. It's been a long day/week/year for me.)
2 likesEmpLemon
0 likesall in favor of vidme? It feels like old YouTube
I did it
0 likesPlease notice me senpai
I Agree
0 likesGreat Video! Keep up the good content!
0 likesEmpLemon you've literally been like my fav YouTube pooper so obvs I watched it all ;-P
0 likesDon't worry, I did, I saw the unsub button at the very end, which was a reference to your earlier complaint of how people are begging for subs instead of the other way around.
2 likesWhat a hell of a video.
1 likeGood video. And the message at the end is sometimes everyone should hear.
0 likesThis was honestly a really good video. Although I think normie vs woke is more of a range and less of a binary.
0 likesEmpLemon YouTube will be better when Half Life 3 comes out 😧
3 likesI did watch it all the way.
1 likeAnd the video made me sad.
EmpLemon I 100% agree with u i loved youtube when I was a kid now it's all fidget spinner click bait trash
0 likesEmpLemon eyyy I'm 14 and I watched 45 minutes in before commenting this
0 likesEmpLemon I actually was planning to and am
0 likesi did; and agree with it 1000%
1 likeEmpLemon I did and agree fully, sadly there are many original creative channels the creators abandonned ship on because it is pointless.
1 likeI did.
0 likesidea: find breaks in youtube's new policies. rip its head off until youtube listens
0 likesDamn this is amazing. I'm a small YouTube channel busting my ass to make and write great content. Thank you so much for speaking up.
0 likesLove: Jackson
If you could, please put time stamps for the music you put in the description.
0 likesWhatever is at 31:12 is cool and nostalgic and i cant remember its name even though it's an undeniable fact that it's hiding right in my face.
EmpLemon you really moved me and you killed that normie behind the meme thanks. I remember oneyng he was the best animator back then it is great what you are doing
0 likesYou also even got me started for content creators every collab you do gets people to watch others I haven't had a fucking clue who pie pivot 0 meter or goop videos were before your shrekoning collab
0 likes+emplemon all your criticisms are completely valid, i came to youtube to escape tv, and look at the state of youtube now
0 likesEmpLemon -I have done just that. I'm no zombie, although I'm sure there's plenty of zombies in this world that are no better. Thanks for making this video man, though you're a little late to the party.
0 likesEmpLemon thank you for making this. This is the most clear, concise, and eye-opening video about YouTube's DOWNWARD SPIRAL into monotony and greed and I hope bigger channels that have referenced your work in the past acknowledge the points you made in this video
0 likesEmpLemon i also watched all 49 mins give me a gold star please thank you
0 likesEmpLemon yeah I agree 100000% that YouTube has turned into shitty tv and it can't be fixed and it's going in a downward spiral into shite
0 likesI've done it and I love you EmpLemon. For the music too.
0 likesI did, am I less of a zombie now? :D
0 likes(also, how come you only have a li'l over 2000 views on this'n? What the heck?)
EmpLemon You used the Remastered Cave Story theme I love you
0 likesI watched every bit of it and I'm gonna do what you said all of your points are accurate and you're a good channel all in all I've been subbed for a while and you're making me love your channel even more nice job man
0 likesWatched the whole thing. Seriously.
0 likesEmpLemon I did
0 likesEmpLemon Too late. But i at least commented about the topic you altready talked about. Not the whole video i didnt even fully watched.
0 likesChronic youtube viewer here. Watched the whole thing, and it's pretty sad.
0 likesIM at 39 minutes so far... ho fuck
0 likesEmpLemon Why do you not talk about Sir Pelo for animation example ? He hit 1 million just a week before !
0 likesI have watched the whole video and I agree 100% agree with everything you said. It's sad to see this site turn to shit.
0 likesEmpLemon looks like you unlocked the crate of kids. They seem underage down there.
1 like+EmpLemon I did
0 likesEmpLemon I watched the whole thing about five times and I still can't get enough of it
0 likesI WANT MOAR!
GIMME MOAR!
but take your time, content is good when it's thoroughly made
EmpLemon I did
0 likesThat was transcendent
0 likesI watched the entire "Important Videos" playlist in one sitting. B*tch if I can't finish this video I'll step on a 2x 4x Lego.
4 likesEmpLemon you actually can see the videos a YouTuber has liked
0 likesEmpLemon I need too sleep though!
0 likesI did the impossible...I WATCHED THE WHOLE VIDEO!
0 likesI watched it all
1 like90% leave after 5 minutes
1 like9% leave halfway
1% watch all of this quality content
I watched it all. And it was the best video I have ever seen, just for how thought provoking it was.
0 likesI watched all of it and I loved it.
0 likesThEsHaDoW343 same
0 likesI have
0 likesI did. Where's my EmpLemon medal of honor. Joking aside, you spoke the truth.
0 likesEmpLemon Did you intentionally put College Humour in the Buzzfeed category on trending?
0 likesMAKE MORE YOUTUBE POOP VIDEOS
0 likesEmpLemon I'm at 20 mins now and not planning to stop
0 likesaaaaaand done
1 likeThe JonTron part got me
0 likesEmpLemon I did
0 likesEmpLemon This was(no sarcasm) the best video I have seen all year, because I was blinded by the wishy-washy cop-out content. I'm currently in the process of deleting every subscription that I don't need, and I thank you for it. This video felt like a heavy fog being lifted from my eyes, and I fully support the entirety of this amazing piece of content. I watched the whole way through, and was not disappointed in the slightest. Keep up the good work, and maybe I'll see you in the future.
0 likesEmpLemon a couple of my students in the middle school and high school recommended me the lazer collection I searched
0 likesfrom my friend little Sy recommended me Charlie the Unicorn I also saw from my middle school animator vs. Animation
Hey man, thanks for helping people see the truth. This needs to be seen by normies now.
0 likesEmpLemon I did tho. I barely realized what had truly happened to YT because I've only used it for music for the past several years, I just turned a blind eye to the corruption and refused to watch things I didn't like. But seeing all the screengrabs of the old layouts helped bring the glory days of watching the earliest Poops as a tween back into my conscious awareness. Even if such days are never to return, I thank you for that.
1 like"O, Woe is Me!"
0 likesEven the outro with your media and all that?!
0 likesI did.
0 likesI did.
0 likesEmpLemon I know you won't read this, but how can I look at the reasons why YouTube used to be fucking great if they start shaking when the Downward Spiral music starts?
0 likesOh wait
I failed. Whoops
I did it, then I searched "greatness" on YT
0 likesI did it
0 likesDon't worry I did 😎
0 likesthank you!!finely someone who's not a garbage watching zombie!
0 likesits your fault if you don't learn anything.
0 likesthen go watch a shorter video. your short attention span is not needed here.
0 likesbeing GAY is the greatest thing in the world FACT.
0 likestry harder.
0 likesu r confusing....
0 likescoincidence i think not!!
0 likesits OK you'll get better at it when your older.
0 likesnobody cares sweetie.
0 likesI did.
0 likesyour awesome buddy!
0 likesI love you . _______.
0 likesDone
0 likes+Gabriel Brooks he was bashing him
0 likesEmpLemon aw I wanted to get big of animation
0 likesBut just like just a robot another youtube channel I love these cause it makes sense I sub to all of these
0 likesEmpLemon I subed btw by the way
0 likesI watched this full vid
0 likesAnd I miss it to I miss toby from annoying orange you know that guy the human I miss his youtube channel people falsely said he raped some people so he's channel got weak at least he's still making videos
0 likesI did and I care. Let's start a new site?
0 likesVideo is very good, has a very good message, and is very inspiring. Thank you for making this.
0 likesEmpLemon I watched all of it :)
0 likesI cant, I must say that this is great, before the end
0 likesI watched the whole thing, I couldn't look away. I love your editing and you were speaking teh truth. it was cathartic.
0 likesI never even look at the comment section of a video before finishing the video itself
0 likesI am watching the whole thing
0 likesI actually finished this video
0 likesEmpLemon thank god watch momjo is dead check her views now and then check her sub count which is almost 20M BUT, gets like 100k views on average.
0 likesEmpLemon I did it. Almost. Got to 38:21 then decided to go unsub from all the garbage channels I'm subbed to and got distracted.
0 likesEmpLemon please do a commentary on Cartoon Network's shittiness too!
0 likesEmpLemon While I do want to look for the amazing, awe inspiring, unbelievable talents that are scattered across this website, I can't say that I really know where to start. Is there a starting place that you'd recommend?
0 likesWell my channel is 400 subs. From my experience, it is extremly difficult to even get half of the subs to get in. The quality may have improved, but reaching to new heights is nothing more than a dream now
0 likesI watched all of it ❤️
0 likesI did
0 likesI watched the whole thing.
0 likesDon't worry, will do. Usually this is what I do, but thanks for reminding people to watch an entire video before commenting, though that should be obvious in the first place.
1 likeThis reminds me of google docs right now! Jajajajaja lols
0 likesemp can I ask you a question?
0 likesEmpLemon I watched the whole thing
0 likesI did
0 likes?sdrawkcab ti hctaw I fi tahW
0 likesOops, accidentally watched 49:02.
0 likesok did
0 likesThis is quality content and im surprised it hasn't been censored by youtube.
0 likesI did.
0 likesI did and it was worth every second.
0 likesEmpLemon I watched the whole video ;)
0 likes@EmpLemon That's actually really funny. Sad but truuue. ♪♪♪
0 likesWoah 2x speed = eargasm
0 likesI did. It was worth it.
0 likesThis is legit a great video, I watched it all
0 likesI did, it was good, good job
0 likesEmpLemon THAT ENDING WAS AMAZING I AM FULL OF EMOTIONS I HAVE NEVER FELT BEFORE
0 likesBaaaah. I honestly make videos for me. I make what I want when I want when I feel like it. And my channel growing? GOD DAMN YOU PEOPLE. Now I feel obligated to make videos when my channel doubles in the course of a month...Because a bunch of people subbed over a video where I'm talking about being betrayed by a friend. But when I make serious videos or pour my heart into something...Nope. When I made videos that had nothing but the gameplay of hardcore PVP where I'm literally being the king of the arena...Nope. Go fucking figure. People love drama more than heartfelt content. I love your channel because you don't give a flying FUCK what we think, but put your heart into what you produce, and that I respect. So from one unknown bitch to another unknown bitch, keep making videos for you.
0 likesI think people with great content still exist, is just hard to find them now
0 likesIn a media full of shit, just my recomended acount, and similars like the people of this comment section exist
maybe we should just make a list of channels worth it, and put it somewhere to see it
I watched the whole thing; even tho you repeated a few points...a tad bit.
0 likesBut i got thru and saw that square; memorable red button and was like.
HA! G O T C H A B I-
But it said unsubscribe instead; well fk...now i have to actually provide insight.
Same happened to television; take MTV for example; it used to be about MUSIC; shocking i know, and even high production value of what kids nowadays refer to as AMV.
What will happen? It will gradually fix itself as YouTube dies and people move on.
There will come a point the next generation sees it as an "uncool" thing "old people do" and just like that simply stop watching.
And well; Corporate business models always ruin good things by favoring quick returns at the cost of destroying a healthy market.
One of the greatest things I have ever seen. Shame you're not more successful, and that it took this long to find your shit. But that's 100% part of your point. Keep it real my brother, I'm inspired to just talk about shit on YouTube now.
0 likesNo
0 likesJust put it in the background, like a podcast
0 likesok daddy
0 likesI did.
0 likesTwice.
@Gold Leader378 Good Job
0 likesEmpLemon I’m a new viewer on YouTube and I don’t really like ytp but I feel like so many high effort videos are swept under the rug in favor of people who can pump stuff out on the daily.
0 likesSee now Vsause, Vsauce 2 & Vsauce 3 don't ask to S U B S C R I B E
0 likesI feel like an odd one out for watching an almost 50 minute video after being told that most people don't even make it past 10 minutes...
0 likesthank you for including an instrumental version of achilles last stand :)
0 likesHey so I watched the whole thing and I love your analysis. When you yell however can you actually yell?
0 likesIt sounds like you're trying not to wake up a pet or something.
Also sorry I lied I didn't finish it but I will.
Only 0.1% of people in the WORLD can watch ALL 49 MINUTES of EmpLemon's video! CAN YOU?!?
0 likesI did. It was very well constructed and presented, both the writing and the visuals, plus some excellent choice of background music to fit the theme/mood of the section it's playing in. The whole video was very engaging and I enjoyed it a lot, I'm glad to have discovered your channel recently. Keep it up man. 8)
(Shrugs)
0 likesAlready done
0 likes👏. That. Was. BEAUTIFUL!
0 likesI did. It's the best video I HAVE EVER seen, right next to JO ThumbsUpMaster's "Banjo's Birthday" and Nostalgia Critic's "Fox Kids" episode. Bloody brilliant.
0 likesChallenge accepted. realizes I commented 4:30 into the video.
0 likesFuck!
It’s easy
0 likesI remember pre2012 YouTube. Those days people cared about what the made. Nowadays it’s the trend of the week.
0 likesI've watched it multiple times :)
0 likesBeen sitting here. Listened to it all. Beautifull video.
0 likesI watched it, good stuff. I agree YouTube was much better before.
0 likesthank you for supplying us quality content
0 likesYes father
0 likesi did it 4 times
0 likesI've watched this video at least 6 times now start to finish
2 likesI love all of these rant videos cause they're so well put together basically all of your long videos are the best
I've watched the full video 2 times now.
1 likeLuckily Emp I’m a very patient guy so any that’s long I can sit through so you found the right guy
0 likesthis stuff is why youre my favorite channel, and i only like pyrocynicals videos in the same vein as petscop. keep making your amazing content dude, there are still people with multiple braincels
0 likesEmpLemon it was a great video watch it all I miss old YouTube ;(
0 likesI bit you my guy
0 likesi actually did
0 likesi did
0 likesbut... but i did
0 likesI already watched the whole thing
0 likesYes I will
0 likesSuccess
0 likesi did!
0 likesI did. I actually watched it multiple times
0 likesi re-watched this and enjoyed your use of smooth mcgrooves acapella
0 likesThat's where you're wrong kiddo fingerguns
0 likesit was refreshing to watch more than 10 minutes of something.
0 likesHi Emp
0 likesI don’t have brain I like reaction channels.
0 likesOk I did it
0 likesI watched every last second.
0 likesso we can skip the 2 seconds at the end?
0 likes4th time watching this actually
0 likesno
0 likes😈
0 likesI scrolled down and saw your avatar and thought it was an imposter because it wasnt pinned
0 likesI don’t know if I have already commented, but I did. YouTube needs to get their act together.
0 likesi did
0 likesOH NO! I ONLY WATCHED 48 MINUTES AND 59 SECONDS OH NOOOOO
0 likesHi i did
0 likesEmpLemon I did
0 likesI did and I’m glad to hear that at least one YouTuber gets it!
0 likesive wtached it like 10 times over because its well researched and i love your editing
0 likes...shit, sorry boss. I'll do better next time.
0 likesEmpLemon i didnt whoops btw this comment is like 10 comments down
0 likesdont mind if i do daddy
1 like49 minutes ain't that hard or movie theaters would be having a real problem on their hands. Granted most people zone out in theaters anyways. But nice video, and sadly still applicable today which is unsurprising. While I understand the immense passion and effort into YTP's, I typically don't watch them as they are not to my taste, that being said there are still dozens of other great types of content out there that require similar creativity and effort if not more than the average YTP as you mentioned in the video. Also, that callback to the EDM 3D intros was pretty hysterical and brought back so many memories. As dry and dull as they were, it feels like one of those things that's so bad it's good in a sense of having humor about how stupid it was, because I guarantee hardly anyone actually watched those videos and thought to themself "What a kickass intro, I must see more".
0 likesPin it
0 likesGreat video
0 likesI've seen the entire video more than 3 times today, it was so spot on, even 3 years later it still holds up
0 likes@Jamaree or never ending story 4.
0 likes10:00 the only reason I knew this was a Johnny Test episode I watched in like 2011. Also Vine in 2015 and TikTok in 2019 had similar trends of everyone getting their 15 minutes of fame.
0 likes10:20 i love smooth mcgroove
0 likesJames Lee, exurb1a, Nexpo, CGP Grey, Joel Haver, Will McDaniel, Melodysheep, Artifexian, Tier Zoo, Nerd City, Kurzgesagt and Medicurio are the channels I have found so far to be above average in one way or another. Go check them out please they have some quality content, all of them work on the principal of quality over quantity.
0 likesRemember when youtube was an alternate world, an escape from the world's problems. Now it shoves them up there
0 likesRemember when his videos were controversial as fuck? And now people are watching YouTube become entirely for Corporations
12 likesThey should make that liked videos thing an option, like public subscriptions is now but better
1 likeI'm glad I grew up with the lazer collection.
0 likesDang this dude has changed a lot in the past 3 years lmao. So much cursing
0 likesI was about to argue with the, everyone on this app is 15, and then I remembered that I was indeed 16 when this video came out. I-
0 likesOn the reminding people to subscribe thing, it's a psychology thing. The call to action triggers a reminder to do so, be they know to do so or not, and this causes more subscriptions, especially in those where the video is average instead of amazing (and sometimes even if it's bad, but that's a weak will/children thing) where your first instinct isn't to subscribe without the reminder. It's actually the self conversation thing you mentioned, but it's so quick and hidden from the thinking you actually notice that you don't realise that's what your brain is doing. Doesn't take away from the point of the video, just clarifying why everyone does it.
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BUT THATS EVEN WORSE BECAUSE ITS LITERAL MANIPULATION-
4 likes@Bingles Praise yeah let's ban lootboxes
0 likes@Piechew Community I agree but how does that relate to my reply
0 likesAh ELP, a man of culture I see!
0 likesLove the use of prog rock
0 likesI'd like to point out that EmpLemon's computer name is KFC.
1 like46:59 well, so a cataclysmic event happened, who'd knew???
0 likes>Kitty0706
60 likesWhen I saw his content on the video, I literally had an emotional downward spiral of my own. Kitty was one of the oldest and most legendary gmodder on this site who got me into Garry's mod. Now he's gone and we'll never get anymore God tier gmod videos from him again.
It hurts, it really really hurts sometimes.
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InSaNe Engi 132, yeah man, i miss him, but I DO recommmend Dr. Lalve though
8 likesIt's even more sad when Kitty0706 passed away. He will be missed.
3 likesPhillip Hernandez lalve, delak, and great dictator are the best
3 likesElliot never went back to school... :,\
4 likesAdam Pixel It's even more sad when you watch the ending of his first Elliot goes to school vid.
1 likeTenzing Khedup the about page D:
0 likesYou think that stinks, most of the videos from my childhood have been deleted (I admittedly wasn't as active then as I am now, but still)!
0 likesSpongeBob YouTube Poops were in a category all their own.... funny thing is, I watched them as a kid and was better for it! Now YouTube thinks they're too "scandalous" for "feeble young minds"... give me a fucking break.
Remember the Wingardium Leviosaaa videos? The full versions were taken down. Had to be censored if they wanted to stay on YT.
I'm on a lookout for videos, and I'm putting them on an archive channel.
0 likesI select videos to reupload based on if the creator cares about reuploads or not (automatically disqualifying Unus Annus), and if it's currently up (disqualifying Kitty).
i actually enjoy longer content
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unlike fortnite letsplayers
2 likesThe best thing about finding behind the meme was looking in some of the comments and finding this channel
0 likes10/10 couldnt feel you more
0 likesThe more someone tells me to subscribe the less likely I am to do it. Kinda like with the YouTube ads I hear making me less likely to use the product.
0 likesYTP is great for YouTube!
40 likesAnd for creators and viewers. The humor and style continues to evolve.
And after hearing everything about YouTube in this video, it hit hard. Like several other content creators, YTP is what finally allowed my channel to pick up some steam. I started doing YTP for fun, and my first one ended up getting 100,000 views. But even though I had a decent run with one YTP, I'm not able to keep up and make the amount of content that's expected of the modern day YouTuber, especially when my videos still get an average of around 100 views. But it was never about the views. I make meme videos and video essays because it's fun. But sadly, fun and creativity ain't really a priority on YouTube anymore.
The sad part is that I'm not alone. So many small channels end up never picking up enough steam, especially when trying to be original. And this isn't a "come subscribe to me" comment. This is just one story from the many small channels out there.
I've been watching Emperor Lemon's videos for a while, and I only now just came across this video. What a great watch! You've earned another subscriber
man, emp was hella preachy.
0 likesnot wrong though
10:13 I still miss him
0 likesHey, it's okay! You can't have a let's play channel now, either! Unless you talk about drama and special interest offenses over it, anyways.
1 likeYeah, that algorithm, huh?
5 likesRIP JCS Criminal Psychology. Deserved better.
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oh damn thanks for reminding me that channel
3 likesim fucking glad your behind the meme video got popular, i really like your opinions and arguments about youtube
46 likesAh, the origin of The Downward Spiral
0 likesIronically enough, this video was recommended to me by the algorithm
1 likeI love the disclaimer at the beginning.
0 likesNow I feel inspired
2 likesThis was definitively a very important and necessary video for youtube. Thank you EmpLemon.
10 likesTOO BAD YOUTUBE WONT LISTEN
I'm new, so this might be a stupid question... but do you have a video that explains the unique aspects that make YouTube Poops funny, and how their style has changed over time?
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I'm at the 8:00 minute mark; I just realized this video was release before YouTube Rewind...
0 likesI dont like to think when i watch youtube, but i like to listen to someone with good opinions, who is going to think before making content, i want to be interested and turn my brain back on because of the cideo, fuck videos that be boring
0 likesThat epic intro
0 likesYou like Pink Floyd annnnd Emerson, Lake and Palmer? My man you have some good taste.
1 likeHonestly it's too late to fix this problem, we need a new website.
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Let's put that new website on the Darknet, so there will be less of a chance of invasion by the normies.
17 likesI already have an idea for it, but I don't know how to host it.
0 likesyou and abouit half a billion others
2 likesbut then again without ads you wont be able to sustain the ssite at all for longer then a minute
Free like OJ all Day we will need css html java sql, ect good luck
0 likesVimeo uh idk
0 likesFucking thank you. It's the only way to get away from this. TV and YouTube are both swinging so fucking fast into corporate cookie creating. Rick and Morty and WLIIA may be allowing a few views for CW and CN, but it's not enough....
2 likesIt's not enough...
Free like OJ all Day Working on it
0 likesslaps roof of YouTube
3 likesThis baby can fit so much cringe in it
The soundtrack is god tier
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The real artists behind it are Emerson Lake and Palmer, they were big in the 70's. I heard in this: Karn Evil 9, Tarkus, The curse of Baba Yaga, and many more
1 likeA catasysmic event did happen
1 likePeople barely turned their heads
Wow. Few things have made me want to stop doing YouTube videos as much as that midsection. Yikes
0 likespff i just laugh at that intro warning because i freaking love long videos that are edited. thats like my absolute favorite kind of stuff to watch!
82 likesand you are incredibly good at it!
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bocodamondo are you going to upload any time soon? I love your content
4 likesIt really has been 3 years since you uploaded dang
4 likesHow does this video have so many views? Ussualy love Emp's content. But this was an assault on the ears.
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Lol
0 likesThe Jim mora drop at 20:55 lmao what a touch
0 likesmentions subscribing has been shown to increase the percentage of new viewers subscribing from a video, despite how dumb it sounds, it works.
1 like13:13 LMFAO that's a clever entrance
0 likesEmp, u are truely a meme revolutionary. Also I believed that ytp never died and still enjoy LOADS of ytps
26 likesThis video keeps aging better
3 likesI dont know about u but i think yt got a lot better in mid 2020 because of mr beast i think he brought back people making videos for the fun of it. im not even a huge mr beast fan but his work has changed the platform in a good way and its only getting better from here
1 likeaight, let me tell you a story.
6 likesyoutube started out in 2005. it was a small yet simple site dedicated to sharing videos. in 2006, it was bought by Google for over a billion dollars. over time, it evolved into a site where anyone could upload anything they wanted, and the creative potential was limitless. by 2008, youtube was the perfect site. this is also when i got into the site, at a mere 6 years of age. (i'm young. you do the math.) the very first videos i watched were things that interested me, and then i delved into the cool shit. hell, i watched the ultimate showdown before it blew up. both myself and this site have grown up together. we evolved together. now, we come to the present. i have just realized the amount of stockholm syndrome this site has on me. i hate this site, i hate what it has become, i love emplemon's video and agree with it, yet, i can't leave. youtube has me by the balls. it is my only source of entertainment. in my poor family and my shitty life, youtube is the only thing that keeps me SANE. when this site falls, so do i. i want this site to get better and i constantly have to hope and pray that it will. but i doubt at this stage it will get better.
just want to say, I like your longer videos. You manage to take a topic that, from the outside, seems so uninteresting and boring, and turn it into something thoroughly entertaining and worthwhile. The quality, structure, and presentation that's best shown in your Never Ever and Youtube Geographic series - is admirable. I'll never tire of you picking apart all the things wrong with this website in how poorly it treats its creators and users
5 likesI don't know how many feel this way, but your choices of videos to put in the background really resonated with me.
5 likesBeen on the site for long time, and seeing all the dumb (but also great) YTPs of 2009 and the great animations of 2010 - 2011 in your video gave me such a nostalgic feeling. I feel like a part of something much bigger.
Thank you
Damn I feel like I’m getting insulted but I’m not straight facts bro👍
3 likes46:06 I'm listening Emp, we still exist on this site!
0 likes14:41 Tune 88?! Wasn't expecting to hear that
0 likes23:48 fav part
0 likesIt's quite simple really. YouTube doesn't care about it's creators, and never will again. It's a corporate entity. It's main objective is to make as much money as possible, not giving the people what they want.
1 likeIts simple. If i find a bad video, i click off, and vise versa. FYI im watching this video currently at the 46:26 second mark
1 likeSo you're telling me that in old YouTube I may have done a bit better?
0 likes0:02 bruh i think i have no life, like since i looked at that 8 hour documentary about a show i didn't even know existed, videos like this seem to take like only 10 minutes to finish
0 likesThis is still relevant...
3 likesbefore I saw you, I never even knew YouTube Poops existed
1 likeWho remembers starting at a random video and trying to get to the “dark side” of YouTube haha
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I do, was one of the best parts of old youtube
0 likesThis is why i like fact feind with ya boy carl smallwood he dosent care about youtubes algorithm and only sponsers personal products and has multiple videos making fun of raid after they wanted a sponsor and stuff
1 likeThe Rant I never though I needed in 2021.
0 likesat this point the universe is going down a downward spiral
0 likesYouTube has became a platform of work rather than hobby. Many popular channels simply have the intent of profit rather than creative integrity. It used to be all about fun and originality but now it is all about algorithms and money.
20 likesYou could sub in movies, videogames, TV news, music etc in place of youtube in many of the points made here and it would still be applicable
0 likesthe same companies also have the exact same art style that the know makes them look high quality but its not it looks like 3 people need to make something in like 5 min and its true that I'm from the younger generation but I like good content (kingK who does in depth retrospectives on older games, SilokHawk who is a gamer and a animator who makes great content and caddicarus who is so hard to explain but good my favorite game is 13 years older then me its chrono trigger a rpg for the snes I also don't have the attention span of a fly ) so don't blame us all also you spend like 4 hours to look for 1 good channel or join a super small community that makes good content
0 likesIt's bad enough when they all have to ask you to subscribe, but I can guarantee that if you tell me to "smash" that like or subscribe button, I will do no such thing, just on principle
0 likesAchilles last stand was a nice touch
1 likeI love you man, you're YTP roots really shows and it really keeps the whole video really engaging as you discuss these amazing topics in depth!
10 likesIf YouTube was bad in 2017. Wait til you see how much worse it has gotten since COPPA interfered
1 like31:05 Dat Hoenn Elite Four Theme Remix tho
2 likesI am sad I wasn't able to see this earlier. I was really wondering where the longer videos went. RIP.
0 likesthis video is so true, even today
1 likeI still come back to video, baffled that nothing has changed and has actually gotten worse. literally everything in this video is perfect. this video should play the instant someone makes a youtube account.
11 likes29:07 still my favorite part and i hate to say this, but fucking thank you for saying it.
Not surprising that YouTube recommended me this
1 likeYoutube 2021: cramming 3 ads into the beginnings of videos all the time
0 likesYoutube: NEED MORE MONEY NOT ENOUGH ADS
Good god its been 4 years
4 likesDidn't notice that i watched This whole video in 144P, thought IT was meant to look like this
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Well it is in in way
1 like@VISTA GREAT kinda yeah
0 likes34:29 but ur not supposed to bite the hand that feeds u
0 likesi feel like your point can be applied to comments, too.
6 likesthe most liked comments are never more than a sentence or two long, and dont actually tell anything about their opinion on the video.
just like Youtube videos, the Youtube Comment metagame promotes no effort and no harsh opinions.
im looking at you, NeonBunnies.
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True, and who’s pixelcraftian, and how does he relate to this issue?
2 likes@Exo i was thinking of the wrong guy, i meant neonbunnies. he comments multiple times on the same video and tries to get top comment with overused memes. he sometimes does.
1 like@lostime ohhh ok... yeah, it’s really annoying to see YouTubers who attempt to push their way to the top by blowing up everyone’s comment section, posting clickbait or just making low effort, low quality “news” videos, thinking people would find that garbage entertaining to watch.... I feel as though when those types of YouTubers do actually become successful, they’ll soon begin to release that everyone’s already tired of them before they even had a chance to shine their true light with their talents, and that they took the lazy & disingenuous route for no reason at all... But maybe they deserve it because, well... Their content sucks.. After all, no one likes clickbait (besides zombie children who’ll mindlessly take anything that’s that’s shown to them), “News” type content is wayy overdone and just outright lazy.... And it’s made even worse due to the fact that you could’ve just gotten whatever information that was presented in the video in a quicker and more efficient manner, without any filler or any “DoN’t FoRgEt To LikE aNd SuBcRiBe!” Bullshit anywhere else on the internet.... So that means The news genre of YouTube has no reason to exist... Honestly, I feel like clickbait -y type YouTubers aren’t even happy with their jobs, but they still do it anyway because... It’s their only source of income that would sustain them for life, regardless of how tarnished their reputation is in real life, or the internet.... And just hearing that sentiment.... Kinda withers my soul... It’s depressing really, that YouTubers who bank off of Terrible but profitable videos are doomed to live with the curse that they created.... The curse of the way they were brainwashed into thinking was correct.... The curse of not being able to escape..... The curse of modern day YouTube.🌀
2 likesModern day YouTube
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Mo D ern daY yOuTuBe
Mod Ê r n d a y Yo u T ubE
m o d e r n d A y Y o U t u b e
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Modern day YouTube has stolen our souls.
@lostime is that because the comments are sorted by only newest and most liked and not also oldest and most replys and the replys to comments are not next to the comments🧐
0 likes@lostime and most of the top comments are mostly bots
0 likesI was growing up when youtube was becoming shittier site. I wish I was born earlier to watch the good old days.
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I was here during both the Gold, silver, and actual poop era
1 likeim never gonna see youtube the same again
2 likesThis is one of the best videos on Youtube.
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I agree
2 likes12:06 HOLY COW AN ULTIMATE SHOWDOWN "REFERENCE IN A VIDEO AFTER 2010!!!
0 likeshes the 2019 joker of youtube
0 likesYou got Achilles Last Stand too??? An equally edgy video to that of pre-modern YouTube with my favorite songs??? YES FUCKING PLEASE
0 likesyour amazing man. lmao
1 likeI admire that you didn't take the opportunity to put 20 mid-roll ads on this video.
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what is the problem with that anyway? money is good...
2 likesBecause sometimes it is more than 1 minute and even more than 5 minutes
0 likesthe fact that after 5 years of development the algorithm is still shit
1 like5 minutes in and this is good
0 likesYes, the floor here is made out of floor
2 likesneeds to get to 2 million views
1 likeI cant agree with you more. i need to go at least 15+ pages to actually find a small youtuber with good content. all i ever see is giant corporations, or music media, news and stuff produced on tv always in my face. we dont have tv anymore because we hated that we were shoved media down our thoughts, always trending in mass marketing. they have their own websites for this stuff. or at least minimize their content down to only if your subscribed to them or actually searching for them should the pop up.
12 likesi want to see the old days when you could actually browse freely and find amazing things to send and talk about with your friends. we dont even get that anymore. were just force fed things and it sucks. why do we have a ton of stuff. that never gets watched. and why is so much of it just regurgitated media from tv?
take this for instance. i watched 1 clip of the simpsons and now i have 10 videos of simpsons and family guy in my feed of reposters. that just uptune the video and put in the description and thumbnail is the video from tv. why???? gah
agree with you on lots of subjects. and wish the algorithm and system actually pandered to the creators and such that does not pander to the people that have corporations or are reposting tv or daily uploads on the trending channel.
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CommanderFluffy exactly look at my comment below yours
0 likesMaybe we should just have a completely new algorithm, and make YouTube pick videos at random by default.
0 likesMan i got PTSD form the TTT report sound in the beginning.
1 likeI think the fact I'm seeing this in 2022 says a lot.
1 likeI almost forgot that this video is over 4 years old
1 likeI hope when I try to be a YouTube channel I just end my videos with "Don't subscribe. Bitch." So I can utilize reverse psychology and also hurt their feelings combining into free encouragement and also to protest me hurting their feelings to subscribe.
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Infact I can just outline how to make a YouTube and maximize profits by a plebian nobody if somebody wants me to.
0 likesWatching this in 2020 has reminded me that we are still spiraling down this funnel. All the good stuff is getting sifted out for lifeless bullshit. Every single commentary channel covers almost the same topics, regurgitating similar rhetoric. I've stopped watching let's plays and list videos almost all together. I'm subbed to a good amount of channels, but it's hard to even keep up with everyone. I wasn't around for the pre-2010's of youtube, but I must've missed out on a lot.
9 likesyt became the very thing they sought to destroy
1 likeBack in my day
1 likeBack in my day we made things cause we wanted to, not to make money off good people. Its how things are with most things, games, youtube... porn. Its sad thats why i just watch what I like throw a like and move on. One day it will be better just not today is all.
1 likeGoddamnit Lemon....Your So Right....ill go To Hollow knight and be sad just sad....
2 likesAnd Yes i did watch your Entire vid i even paused it
if i see something so clickbaity i dont click
Example decino is one of the Amazing Youtubers i can list Many many more Closely releated is Zero Master A Doom god not the only one Of course but Defintly one of the best doom players of all time I watched his full nearly 3h doom vid If ITS QUALITY i watch it full
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Back then i enjoyed shitty funny memes to Mlg Vids were so popular i remember Just mice spamming foxys Mlg vid from i cant spell the name every time i got a 360 noscope in a private lobby on ps3 bo3 u know I seen how far youtube has fallen mainly bc of you and a few other Youtubers
0 likesMan I’m glad I stumbled upon you’re channel. You’re channel is a culmination of everything I like, and the kind of content I will gladly watch for the 40 or so minutes it takes (I swear I’ve watched that Earnhardt video like.. five times.) Keep doin what you’re doing.
31 likesEmerson Lake & Palmer - Karn Evil 9 (1st Impression pt. 1)
0 likesi thought i had my spotify running, nice.
Emotional damage right at the start huh? I like you
0 likesIt's weird because the videos I actually edited have less views than clips that I hardly did anything with
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That’s true
0 likesSMG4 is really the last remnant of old YouTube.
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I would give that title to Sr. Pelo as he doesn't own a COMPANY because SMG4 owns Glitch Productions while Sr. Pelo is more like OG YouTube
0 likes@bruh moment Neither.
0 likesI started watching this video and didn't stop until the end. Great essay. Eloquent and well-edited.
6 likesThis comment section has been on a downward spiral.
3 likesWhen to manlits fight
0 likesabout ego never ends well
I both love and hate how true this video is.
0 likesConsidering the state of YouTube, I’ll recommend some channels for you to subscribe to
0 likesAnt Dude
Sagan Hawks
Totally not mark
DiamondBolt
BonBunFilms
TheUnluckyTug
Uncle Dane
Organization XVX
Hyuns Dojo
A+Start
MLDKF
Schaffrillas Productions (He’s pretty big, but he makes good content, most likely because he was called out by Matpat, which reinforces Lemons point that you have to be pointed out by the bigger people than you)
Saberspark
EpicLinkSam (He makes nice extensions of Death Battle Songs, which is another good channel, but they’re pretty big already, so If you wanna listen to some good music for at least 10 minutes)
Bloopersploof1
NJGW
Weeby Newz
If you like those channels, and the eventual channels that get added to this list, My job here has been successful
YouTube isn't about broadcasting yourself anymore. It's all about being TV
331 likes2.0
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Gaz Matic tv -1.0
5 likesYoutube - Brodcast TV
10 likesIt's not like TV was trying to be radio 2.0... right?...
0 likesSadly
0 likesTV 2: eLeCtRiC bOoGaLoO
1 likeproven by funny haha jimmy kimmel orange man bad on #1 trending
2 likes+ (DE)monitisazsas3ion
0 likesold youtube: Brethe of the Wild
2 likesnew youtube: Skyward Sword
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old algorithm fierce deity link new algorithm shadow link
0 likes7:52 "Back in my day"
3 likesI wonder how he sees Virtual YouTubers...
0 likesYoutube has turned into tubetube
4 likesThis is why I'm not making a YouTube channel. I am not dealing with this shit. However, that doesn't mean I'm going to participate. I wish the best luck to you EmpLemon! It makes me happy that you've gotten this far!
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David Blanchard I don't blame you for not making videos in fact I was going to make good content at one point but I don't see why it's worth it
7 likes@Doom58
0 likesI completely agree now a days!!!
Bu-bu-bu... yoour account IS a channel, sooo...
1 like@Pom Tubes That is true, bud. Although, please remember that I haven't made any videos
1 like@Pom Tubes You don't have to point out the obvious.
1 likeI realised so much I was born at a
1 likeW R O N G T I M E
I miss the old youtube...
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same.
0 likesI started watching Youtube when I was Three, that was 2010.
0 likesYou were wayyyy ahead of the curve with this one and I’m 4 years late lol
1 likeI guess I am the only one who has never been to the trending page, has only found subscriptions by searches or recommendation and has kept a tightly curated his subscription list the entire time.
82 likesYoutube is still a great experience for me for the time being. What's everyone else's excuse? This wasn't hard to pull off. My sub box is full of new and interesting content everyday. A high percentage of it gets watched. Don't be lazy. Follow EmpLemon's advice. Cut the shit from your sub box and go find worthwhile channels.
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Jakugen, you hit the nail on the head with that one. I've been subscribed to a lot of artists over the years and even built a conversation with some, heck maybe even a connection even if they're big content creators and most of the time, it's found from suggestions related to the content I'm watching, so I kinda exploited that and exclusively watch the content I like, as EmpLemon said he used to and does.
5 likesSometimes content that gets spoonfed to me is something I watch because I don't know any better, but it does take time for me to realise that these videos are just bland and instead of just passively intake it, I try focus more attention on the content I like, which is sometimes just as easy to digest after a month of seeking.
Good content can only be given to those deserving, and it shouldn't be enough to complain about the lack thereof when you haven't put the work into finding it.
Good advice but all that is going to change if this just goes on. They are probably going to shove those trending pages down the consumers fucking throat anyways. So even if we ignore every crappy youtuber on this website and become completely inhumane by just forcing yourself to watch a few "interesting content" YouTube channels. Of course everyone has a different opinion on what is interesting content and what is not.
2 likesJakugen No, you're not alone in that. I never go to the trending page, either.
3 likesI have Youtube Plus and only go to the Trending page to blacklist some more channels
2 likesMaverick
1 likepretty much though internet historian was trending once so it wasn't so bad
Yeah, I hardly look at trending either. Sometimes I do out of morbid curiosity but other than that no. The only time I watched videos that were currently trending was with Internet Historian's Rainfurrest video and when Gorillaz's new music was trending.
0 likesI’m actually going to disagree about your point of youtubers asking people to sub. You’d be surprised by how many channels are out there that have a video or two with millions of views that only have maybe 10,000-50,000 subscribers. It’s rather heartbreaking to see sometimes because their other videos that didn’t get the millions are often also just good. But because, like you said, many people are too lazy to actually look into their channel via the multiple clicks to look at them, people simply don’t subscribe.
1 likeI agree, I find it very annoying when a large, long running channel keeps asking “hey, subscribe”, but for the smaller guys, I find it completely understandable.
DOWNWARD SPIRAL!
3 likesOof. The call to action is real.
1 likeAND IT WORKS!!!!
the spiral is still going down
2 likes0:00 Intro
333 likes9:10 YOUTUBE USED TO BE F**KING GREAT
9:13 Rags to Riches
10:13 Exceptional People Could Excel
11:02 Curiosity & Discovery
12:06 Animation Excellence
13:06 Personal Personalities
14:22 Creativity & Originality
15:16 The Ultimate TV Alternate
16:35 D O W N W A R D S P I R A L
17:10 Rags To Rags
18:33 Exceptional People Are Ignored
20:31 Constraints & Delivery
23:02 Animation Extinction
25:56 Corporate Corporations
31:04 Cloning & Oversaturation
37:35 The Ultimate TV Copycat / Conclusion
Edit: holy actual shit 225 likes, that's amazing, thank all of you, you guys actually rock :D
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mynipleshurt thank you
1 likeI Have By the way.
0 likesMULTIPLE TIMES
And Thats Why He Made This
1 likeFor Others
And Probably Personal Use Or Logging
23:02 Animation Extinction
0 likes@bundleofthxughts not sure if this is ironic but if it isnt, just stop. You're acting immature and said what you said because the The guy in the video said something like "most people who don't watch the entire thing are mindless zombies."
3 likesYou forgot Curiosity & Discovery.
2 likes11:02 Curiosity & Discovery
1 likeYou forgot about that one.
@Trunx hey thanks man :)
0 likes@magpie0430 You're welcome. :)
0 likes@Lyander Zaharik yeah, like damn, so gosh darn toxic like damn 😷🤢
0 likes@bundleofthxughts jesus chill, stop with the toxicity, i made this for A. timestamps, and B. for other users ya dunk
0 likes6:30 BRO THATS EXACTLY WHAT i WAS JUST THINKING ABOUT THIS CHANNEL.
0 likesAnd youtube rip youtube shorts from tiktok 38:34
5 likes8:49 i like the bottom second from the left, its a masterpiece
1 likeunfortunately aged like wine and not milk.
3 likesYouTube is slowly becoming a corporate wasteland, where channels such as us create new passionate content and Jake Paul dabs and plays with fidget spinners. It's honestly really frustrating to put so much effort in to making shows with there own custom art work and theme song, but we're overshadowed by the corporate shills. With the way YouTube is going, we may never get as big as some of the powerful titans that pump out garbage on a daily basis. But we sit and work hoping that we may reach that level of popularity.
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FUNNY BLAST!
0 likesCommander Labs true
0 likeswhere do we go now, let's just make a new place for old school youtube stuff, somewhere between 4chan and dedicated wikias
1 likeI usually use youtube as a way to store music I have done and other stuffs I know im gonna forget in the feature. lol
0 likes28:00 The whole subscribe thing is just there to inform me to press the thumbs up, thumbs down, add to playlist, and share so I can increase the interactivity for the algorithm.
0 likeswith everything going on in the world it makes the guy from the hatred game look based
0 likesI love YouTube. Period.
0 likesEven better since 2021 they've been regulating comments very much. I've been on youtube since 2005 and in 2021 alone I managed to be banned twice!
1 likethis video had many valid points about issues with youtube HOWEVER i feel like it comes from a place of nostalgia and it overlooks the numerous problems with old youtube and the improvements made in some aspects, the anger poured into this video prevented it from being fair and alot of it comes across as "i miss the OLD youtube" . that being said alot of youtubes problems portrayed here are real and as a wannabe youtube struggling to think about how i can make my content stand out i feel for you.
5 likes3 years later this still relevant because its the same way
0 likesdoes covid count as a cataclysmic event?
0 likesI like how C(Emp) Punk has put on a pipebomb 3 years ago
0 likesI have no idea if this is serious or not, but its funny as hell how serious he's taking "poops"
0 likesMy god this was amazing. I'm a small short film channel focused on experimenting with all kinds of styles of videos. These short films take a very long time to produce and each video is meticulously hand crafted. Of course, YouTube doesn't really approve of this and therefore I have to endlessly promote my videos on social media and leech off of my larger channel with a completely different type of fanbase to get any views. It sucks that this type of content isn't welcomed anymore. This is the type of stuff people should be watching. But thanks for the video. Glad it's getting attention.
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Ha
1 likeA Level 1 Kappa “Rebellion Under Pressure” Alert has been declared.
0 likesWatching this made me realize something
0 likesHe's a fan of Pink Floyd
And yt is a shit hole
But pink floyd tho
the first 2 points don't really count. it's a consequence of youtube getting big. with the exception of reaction channels. i really don't like reaction channels.
1 likethis video is forever relevant
2 likes"SQUIDWAAAAAAARD! the SKY had a POKEMON!"
0 likesYou deserve the YouTube Gold.
13 likesTo claim, watch 5 top video list videos, 2 TTS Wikipedia video, 8 reaction videos, 6 pop songs, and a 60 minute long pirated documentary recorded on a shaky cam with the person sneezing.
You forgot one type of channel: Essay
2 likesI support someone called GreatnationHD who makes GTA 5 movies around the theme of Christine without any dialogue but he puts a good amount of work into it and i only discovered it through watching fast and furious scene recreations.
0 likesPersonality I think you get the gaming bit rather wrong. I'm poor. And I use my dad's computer to watch gaming videos since I can't afford them myself. I'm sure there are people who just watch them play and not play it themselves, but I think a good amount of people who can't afford games like them.
2 likes22:54 so funny
1 likeThis video made me angry not because of what he said about the braindead people, but because I know hes absolutely right about youtube being shit in its current state, and it probably isn't going to get better any time soon.
10 likes19:46 GradeAUnderA's video shouldn't be on that collage, that was a video essay on how much reaction videos suck and it's actual good content
0 likesthe part at 26:42 is also like the state of the algorithm in 2021
0 likesWho els feels like just going on newgrounds and playing flash games for hours so you don’t have to find shit you could not care less about on YouTube when your looking for actual quality content
0 likesand now people who make youtube alternates that is youtube but a whole lot better get ceased and desisted into the ground
3 likeshonestly i love ad free youtube, #worth
2 likesJust figured out emplemon likes tf2! Eh my man
1 likefuck i just realised that pewdiepie became all three of those youtube “classes” after the nazi incident
0 likesJesus, that was very inspirational.
68 likesNow you get me Closer to God. I'm your new subscriber for you.
0 likesHow tf did you get away with putting a Led Zeppelin song in your video?!
0 likesExcellent use of welcome to the machine
1 likeMy favourite ytp creator is the creator of Mario eats pasta diagnosed with HIV.
1 likeThis video aged very well.
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Didn't age at all in fact it did the opposite
3 likesstill aged well.
0 likesBack to Newgrounds...
4 likesI don't like long videos if I'm not interested,but this is just straight facts
0 likesThis is like the fifth video I watched but I forgot to subscribe until the subscription reminder rant
2 likeslittle counter-counterexample : I'm 15 and i just know how to find good content
0 likesThis is a comment from 2021, Thom Tillis’s lawful act has been set up and innocent creators will get arrested just because they played copyrighted music in their videos for barley 0.0001 Planck times. It just astounds me how ignorant and greedy people can be. Now, all that matters in the world is how heavy your wallet is.
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A law like that would be unconstitutional. It's destined to fail.
3 likes@Arcade Jaguar i think it passed
1 likeNgl, the ending of this video was inspiring as fuck
1 likeThere I was watching a classy video and then an advertisement for free Vbucks pops up.🤣🤣🤣
2 likesGod bless normie culture.
Wow, you're near 200k subs. That's an achievement. I respect your YTPs and even your SCREW series because they're not the stuff I normaly expect. It was different and disrinct to your style. May you have another year in the downward spiral with all of your non empty subs.
5 likesSincerely,
Nerd with 20 subs and 2 bad TF2 vids that were a YEAR OLD. With NO EDITS. I was lazy then.
Bro ur music taste is fire
0 likes2100: “13 second vid”
0 likesMe: ok let’s watch this clip OMG 10000 HOUR UNSKIPPABLE AD I GUESS ILL PLAY MINECRAFT OMG MY COMPUTER IS LOCKED! Ok fine ill play IPad roblox- are you serious. It locked me into youtube
I have formed profound thoughts based on this video, I am not going to share them though lol. good video funky lemon man :sunglasses:
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very motivational
0 likes46:30 really hit different, its why i unsubbed from pewdiepie and game grump etc
0 likes27:45 you know... you'd think that you made a great counterargument... however statistics show that if you dont choke your video with constant reminders to subscribe to your channel, you actually dont get as many subs... and im not kidding here. ask any of those channels that cram sub notifications down your throat to not do it for a few videos, and you'll see that they dont get as many subs. i wish it wasnt so, however unfortunately your point is invalidated by the stupidity of the average person. sorry emp.
1 likeWhen algorithm only shows you stuff it wants to show you, it's not much different from typical TV broadcasting. I need to manually search for shit and check different channel's subscription's and related channels in order to find anything new. Certain content I can't even find with searching for it with 100% correct words, even 1 typo won't show you some videos on search results.
0 likesRegards: Person who replaced TV back in 2010 with youtube, and used it since before google bought it.
We need a hard reset on the internet
0 likesStill relevant today. Man, present day YouTube.
0 likesYouTube blocks some of these videos from Playing in picture in picture mode lots of your rants will just not play in picture in picture no matter what
0 likesI watched all 49 minutes of this and I want anybody who says "Oh, the video is too long" to grow a few brain cells and man up! Watch all 49 minutes and the Deleted BTM skit, you won't regret it one bit!
16 likesThe irony is that this hate is all over Youtube similar to how it is in the video. I'm just worried about the kids that don't know about this stuff if anything...
0 likesTHIS IS A LEGENDARY VIDEO!!!!!
0 likesDoes anyone know of a new website thats more reminicent of early Youtube? Thats actually upcoming and where content and creators are actually able to share and create content?
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Any competition gets crushed and destroyed or burn themselves out of money so no there is no other platform
1 likeI am 15 and I watched YouTube ever since 2012
0 likesDOWNWARD SPIRAL!
2 likesDoes anyone remember back when youtubers could have custom backgrounds
27 likesI don't like nowdays ytps much, they're too chaotic and most of the time confuses me more than anything, old ytps were funny and weird...
0 likesAnd I stopped watching behind the meme long ago due to his poor research, if you're too lazy to research, don't do it.
30:44 this aged poorley
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How?
1 like@SpeedySteedy watch I’m done making good videos by video game dunkey
0 likesThis teached me so much…
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WOOP WOOP
2 likesgrammar police here. I'm here to inform you that you've committed a crime against grammarmanity.
Crime: saying teached instead of taught
Sentence: having to read this overly long, drawn out, unfunny comment
Woop Woop
1 likeOk Thank you for throwing away My time
im still gona give it a shot, i have an interest in what i call entertainment quality, i have some plans and they need setting up
0 likesDamn, this video brought back so many fond memories of early YouTube. That More Vidoes button had completely slipped from my mind.
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I'm scared of profile pictures with females in them.
1 likeYTP’s Are Lit!
1 likeThe downward spiral has gone on a downwards spiral
0 likesUnderatted content man
1 likeWait... Isn't it possible to just create a new platform that would basically go "so remember the wild west days of YT? Yeah, that's what this is. No copyright claims if you don't upload whole movies, no real restrictions on video's that don't show any illegal stuff and just... Pure creative freedom. No censoring, no banning of weird stuff just because it's weird. Just... Chaos and see what works. And we do it all for free. You can't go earn money with it, but in return, there are no ads and you can upload whatever you want within reason!" like... We won't replace YT, but instead give people the option to go back to those days of the place where you could occasionally find some freaky shit that keeps you up at night, but you could also find the most funny or interesting thing ever, never even being able to imagine how the fuck you got there!
0 likesCan't we do that?
I've been silent for a while about this topic, but I feel now is a great time to talk about this as well. I'm also anti-normie in video games. Not so much them playing games, but talking about them. I've been BTM'd recently by RelaxAlax, the guy who makes "Know Your Moves" for Smash 4. Which is fine, but then me makes a Fire Emblem one, a poorly done one when I've made one in January in time with Mystery of the Emblem's anniversary. The issue here is he begins by stating "I know nothing about Fire Emblem" and butchers everything. My video is more informed due to I play the games and I like the series. Unlike him I had to go out of my way to buy the games instead of emulating them or copying footage from someone else. Before this Aaronitmar made a "Color Origin" for the Fire Emblem characters and gets almost all of them wrong and the worst part is he got his information from a tumblr post- a tumblr post. Then RelaxAlax does the same thing and adds terrible filler and jokes and tuns into a generic Youtuber.
145 likesPersonally, I'm 21 and I recently applied for Nintendo/Intelligent Systems, the Japanese developers that make Fire Emblem. I got accepted and applied for a position as a planner and designer for the series. From now to June of 2018 I have to make two different games consisting of two different genres, passed timed written/college exams, and pass a staff interview with someone form the same position as me and they only hire one person per year. First I'm an American who nor am I Asian ethnic wise or Nationality wise so I'll be the first to apply in general and for those positions at a young age, I'll be 22 by then though. Americans are generally looked down upon and usually expected to go to Nintendo of America, but I want to make games and aspire to better the video game industry and community, especially he Fire Emblem community. People like Aaronitmar and RelaxAlax make me look bad when I spent my highschool years and college years meeting with older Nintendo employees and talking with Intelligent Systems staff during events in Japan. Naturally when I saw them makes videos about Fire Emblem I was worried and after watching them I was upset that they both knew nothing. In his defense I make poor quality videoe using Windows Movie Maker, because I make youtube videos for fun an never ask for views or to "like, comment, subscribe, support me on patreon". I'm just a guy who likes video games and the Fire Emblem series. I know most of my content is unoriginal, but unlike youtubers I aminformed and the the truth and facts which is why I like to make fact videos, because they're easy and I can have fans voice over them. I also am against let's plays of newer games since it's bad for marketing and I want people to play games not watch them. People like Aaronitmar and RelaxAlax alienate new players and preexisting ones with false information and poor quality content. Even the popular subscriber count channels that talk about Fire Emblem make poor content and continue to alienate players. Players shouldn't settle for poor content or say a bad/good game is good/bad for subjective reasons. It's fine if you like a game subjectively, but objective constructive reception is good for improving the video game industry than saying "it sucks" or "best game 10/10".
Thanks for your time Emplemon. I've been a fan since the Uncredibes and the Spongebob videos Continue making great content and as usual have a great day!
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Sorry to hear that. The scale of self identity and truth/facts in YouTube is abismal. I subbed, keep up the content
16 likesWith RelaxAlax's video of Fire Emblem, I wholeheartedly agree that he shouldn't have made it in the first place. But, I must ask, does this opinion go towards every video he does or only the FE video?
1 likeFire Emblem World if you don't mind me asking what software are you planning on using to make your 2 games? is it something that the company is gonna provide or are you gonna use one of the free ones?
1 likeTo add more context, I messaged him last year on twitter asking if he needed help with the Fire Emblem characters and he replied with "He already has it done and it should be uploaded soon". So in January of 2017 I make the Marth that's 15:30 long and he hasn't made one yet.
5 likesIn August he makes one and it's about as long as mine and follows the same flow as mine in terms of organization. I gave him the benefit of the doubt and watched his whole series and I watched some videos prior to the Fire Emblem one. He does everything well with only a small handful of mistakes mostly in names such as in the Little Mac one he calls the "Hook" a "Body Blow", and mislabels the "Straight". It's common since most people don't watch or play Boxing. He makes decent content and well researched and I liked how for the two Link videos he played Ocarina of Time and gains an appreciation for the character. In the Fire Emblem one he begins by stating he knows nothing about the series so it's already a poor impression. It's mostly towards just the Fire Emblem one. I like his content, but the Fire Emblem one is easily his weakest and poorly researched.
I know for my presentation it has to done by using Windows software with 20 slides or less. I'm not sure about making the prototype of the project. It has to be done by me using my own resources. I'm working backwards currently since I have to design scenarios/chapters, units, characters, classes, and storyboard for plot and areas. My primary project is a new "Fire Emblem" with a heavy focus on immersion and accessibility so it takes up a majority of my time. My second is mostly going to be something simple to gain hands-on experience with programming like a puzzle, fighting, or rhythm game.
2 likeswhat do you mean by '20 slides or less'? like the game has to be made in 20 slides or less?
0 likesif you've been in contact with Nintendo since high school I don't think learning the programming it takes to make a game should be that hard
My presentation for the game has to be done in 20 slides or less, like a makeshift Nintendo Direct. The game can be presented in any way, but actual progress towards the game is preferred. Being a planner doesn't require full mastery of programming, just enough to communicate with the entire staff. I mostly know design and recently took 2 classes in programming.
1 likebeing a game designer doesn't require a full mastery of programming but you still need to know a lot of it if you're gonna make your own game.
1 likealso wanted to say after reading your original comment I think it inspired me to at least start on making my own game. or if nothing else a review of a game series I like pointing out its design flaws and how they could be fixed.
Correct. The reasons I chose Nintendo/Intelligent Systems over Nintendo of America is because I wanted to make games. As a designer I could make the game I always visioned and have full control over it. As a planner I can work with the whole staff and oversee production of my projects from start to finish while engaging in constructive criticism with the full staff and help newer members with hand on experience with games while working as a team. Like EmpLemon said, media becomes stale when there's no innovation and it never ventures outside its "comfort zone". I want to see a difference and I wanted to be that difference.
4 likesI'm glad I could inspire you. I wish you the best of luck. Finding an identity is hard, but I know you'll find it through inspiration. Be the difference you want to see and have a great day!
Fire Emblem World Why is everyone hating on you man?
0 likesI read this whole thing, top to bottom and I couldnt believe RelaxAlex actually did that. Whenever I see someone I love gain popularity, they start losing the magic they once had and their fame goes to their head. I see this with a lot of Youtubers and it sucks that YouTube allows all this To happen.
I am a High school junior student right now, and Ive always wanted to go to Japan, and meet the greats at Nintendo. I like how you are trying to stand up and show that you arent just a "weak" American like the world thinks we are and show your worth. I respect that.
I enjoy the Fire emblem series and seeing more informative people like you fall down the ranks is depressing.
Thanks. Good luck to you in High School. What are you planning to do afterwards? I also just ignore the troublemakers. If they aren't going to give any thing constructive it's not worth it.
2 likessǝpnu puǝs he has a job at nintendo/intelligent systems, you're calling him a weeb because of a single profile picture?
0 likesmeraki ツ basically yes
0 likesYou could not begin to know how jealous and envious I am that you got a job at one of the Japanese Nintendo subsidiaries. It's been my dream to make a Nintendo game since... Well I guess it's probably been your dream too. I hope you prove to Japan (and especially Nintendo) that westerners aren't half as dumb as they seem to think we are. Ha ha! Don't give up, get your family to help you! Make us proud!
1 likeAnd please promise us if you get the job for good, that you'll (help) fix Paper Mario? After all, Paper Mario was made by Intelligent Systems and deserves love, too. And that series was probably the biggest thing I ever wanted to contribute to from Nintendo... Or maybe I should get off my lazy butt and follow in your foot steps! Ha ha ha. You've rejuvenated my desire to make games. Thank you!
1 likeI don't really ask for help for anything. Everything I've done is by me, much like this channel. If you do want to support me then the best way is to buy Nintendo software whether it be systems or games. I'm glad I could inspire you to make games as well. I've gotten several messages about the Paper Mario series and I'll do what I can. The 30th anniversary is in 2020 so if you see anything, I'll do my best. My biggest inspiration for making games was my "dad" and working as a elementary school teacher's assistant for a short while. I would do story time of the Fire Emblem series and it motivated me to make this channel and make content for the player base for free. I don't say "...like, comment, subscribe, etc..." or put adds in any of the videos and are only there for the viewer's entertainment. Right now I'm still deciding on the second genre of my 2nd game and working on a real documentary of the best Fire Emblem game in the series and its revolutionary impact on the series and gaming industry as well as history and inside look of the series including "Elm Kaiser, the Holy Sword" and "Fire Emblem 64 Dark Priestess", it's going to be a long video. Thank you for your support and comments SPOONS.
0 likesHm... I think I have an idea for an art project... But I'm not gonna say what it is yet, just in case someone big is trying to steal the idea and fuck me over... Not that I expect it to go big, but still... The idea is more about the statement... Also, if, and only IF I end up doing this, I'll make sure to credit you and probably specifically this video, EMP. you deserve that credit, however little it may be, for helping the idea spark in my head
0 likesGray sony vegas took me back to another world. Good video too.
0 likesYoutube gets worse every year
3 likesProbably people came to conclusion that tubes are only on sewers.
1 likeThis video was pretty inspiring. I like the message you gave. You seemed to be acting a little mean spirited during the video, but I can see where you're coming from. I hope to watch another video from you!
6 likesIt's all downhill from here...
1 likeThis video is still true even in 2021
2 likesI question if this guy likes anything or believes that anything except YouTube loop is good
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@A Random Something ok then I accept that
0 likes“....is okay?”
0 likes-Mr. Nievko
Amazing video, EmpLemon. I love how you can provide points and make a video essay while also making it entertaining and not come off as pretentious and condescending. Good Job.
15 likesNow social media’s much worse TikTok is heavy cancer 🥲
2 likesThe thing that I truly care for. And will use each time someone tells me to ‘s’ 27:18
0 likesThis. is why I subscribed.
2 likesyoutube doesnt exist
1 likeits advertising now
i want to steal as many advertisements as possible and put them in a compilation
and tell people to loop it for the proper corporate youtube experience otherwise have their corporate mandated life support shut off for not watching enough advertisements
thanks for tutorial 👍
0 likes"Do I have everybodies attention now?"
0 likesI feel gluity but yeah I do just ignore most of the youtubers I'm subbed to, not because their bad but because I got either school work to do, or it's something I really wanna watch but I rather play a game a listen,
0 likesHey guys, came from the future to say
1 likeit gets worse
To be fair, you have to have a high IQ to understand EmpLemon. The memes are not subtle at all and it will still go over the usual viewer's head, because we're all dumb.
6 likesyou just got a sub my man
0 likes“YouTube will have good content forever.”
0 likescough cough Scott the Woz
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this is me meaning to say that Scott is good
0 likesScott is Ok but I find it low tier to what there was back in the day.
0 likes36:30 isn't that a proud boy shown to symbolize dissemination of valueable information?
0 likesI mean the point you are making while talking about it seems reasonable, buuuuuut I am not sad if fascists are limited in their capabilities, even if I don't like the systems that shut them up.
23:51 haha good reference
0 likesI agree with every point you made. YouTube used to have a motto, "Broadcast Yourself", and that really meant something. There was a sense of freedom and quality that made it better than TV. Now, it's all a bunch of trash pushed out by, like, some kind of fucking factory, all part of this whole corporate master plan with a carefully designed algorithm to make sure that small channels never get seen, and the huge channels get stupid-rich. Simply put, YouTube isn't fun anymore. Also, I don't think video tags actually work anymore.
5 likesBTW, your video is technically long enough to be considered a feature film.
David gilmour is gonna get you for those pink Floyd tunes.
0 likestalk your shit big homie. i love it. goddamnit that was glorious.
0 likesI want to change my account. But feeding the algorithm again, no way. 10+ years feeding it. Recently it seems a bit lost though. But there are too may cringe comments of mine on this account, when I was fairly young. Teenager me was a bit weird
2 likesThis video entirely sums up why I use Adblock. If content creators aren't gonna get the money, no one should.
0 likesI once started on this site watching AO and Fred vids. Then went to Minecraft machinimas. Then introduced into G-mod vids. Then it introduced me into steam games. Then YTP. Then music. Then animation. And things that were actually handed to me as likeable content. I look back on these channels over a decade later. They've gone to shit. They rode the sellout train. They were forced into let's play channels. Some simply just left YouTube. Basically, this website founded AND demolished my internet childhood. For what it is, the huge demonetization outbreak was just the last nail in the coffin. I liked YouTube and all, but it's one of those things you just have to put down now. This video simply put into terms everything wrong with the website. It was well polished and researched. You deserve a sub ere' Emperor.
13 likesYouTube just removed the dislike button….adding shorts to copy Tiktok (a competitor) damn for a video 4 years ago it’s very accurate for what he is saying
1 likeYoutubers begging for subscriptions is pretty annoying.
4 likesI can understand it but when they throw out the "only 5% of people who watch subscribe so don't be one of the 95%!!" I draw the line. I came here to learn a minecraft mechanic not to follow your channel.
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MCYT in 2021/2020 is insufferable, You either have to watch someone that isnt a legacy creator
0 likesYou Tube, " Home of the Trolls."
3 likesOkay how we gonna find good content are we going to just searched for a random things and just hope for the best
0 likesI watched the whole video. Emperor lemon has by far The most superior editing style. And the strongest words I've ever heard. This is a real YouTuber.
14 likespeople prefer quality over quantity but youtube is against that? this is exactly the air strike in tf2
0 likesGreat video
2 likes12:58 did shadman just get credited for an old youtube animation? the shadman? has to be him right?
0 likesYou had me til the rebel plug.
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Me too
0 likesI love long videos
1 likeOooh and the transition into pink floyd damnnn
0 likesTo be fair, asking for subscriptions can sometimes remind you that it's even an option if it's not always at the front of their mind
1 likeI watch one buzzfeed series, and it is unsolved. Mostly because the hosts have since separated from buzzfeed
0 likesIDK how anyone could misinterpret or not 'get' the point of your "Behind The Meme" 'review'. You make a very clear and passionate case for him to WISE UP. There is no confusion about that.
10 likesWell, you inspired me to do a huge clean-up of the channels I'm subscribed to... Now I'm only subbed to people I am currently watching or ones I think may upload good stuff again soon... That and maybe a few with great stuff that are kinda dead maybe but I just wanna be able to easily find again
0 likesAnybody else get this randomly in their recommended yeasts later?
2 likeswhat we need isn't to fix youtube
0 likeswe need a new website to post videos
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Odysee/LBRY is what you're looking for.
0 likesWith the massive rise of YT shorts, we now realize the true potential of beginner content creators... Oh yeah, there is none. Apparently they're all just stupid kids from TikTok, and none of the good ones, either.
0 likesYouTube used to be old Adult swim, now it’s new adult swim just instead of half the slots being Rick and morty its TV
0 likeswhat's funny is that I noticed a very big difference between the mentalities and personalities of original creators and normie content creators. Of course, we all know the difference, of course the original creators are more intelligent, but also very much less controversial. Let's look at Alinity or Ninja, they have always caused controversy and they are overused-normie content creators. They are very stupid, have caused controversy, and humiliated themselves, many times. Have we seen much of that in actual intelligent, original content creators? Nope, not really.
1 likeAlso, many big youtubers are afraid of trying to innovate and try new things because they think they will lose all of their viewers, which is ignorant and negative. At least...just *try*. Has anyone heard of that word before? Just... *Try*? or is that too much?
Always loved long and content heavy videos with actual segments and stuff, never understood how people could get so bored
4 likesOh shit I just noticed that this video was made in 2017
0 likesCan you believe Charlie barely ended this month?
0 likes3:41 Don't tell me that's the Verlisify thumbnail?! (actually loved that video btw)
0 likesClearly I’m the best youtuber and the algorithm is just stupid
4 likesCharmX quit YouTube but still has more subs. Oof
2 likesSo emp it’s coming up on the 5 year mark. What will come of it
1 likeI feel like the only reason that my recommended feed isn't complete trash is because I've been using the site so heavily for so long. I've been on since like 2007/2008, and the algorithm would be sweating to find a way to shove garbage into the categories of vids I watch.
261 likesBut yeah. New people have near 0 chance of discovering actually good and original content.
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I've been on here since 2013 almost daily and my recomendations are still trash. I envy you.
27 likesSame. I've been watching YouTube every day for almost 8 years now. I know who and what I like and so does the algorithm.
16 likesMy entire recommended feed is political spew and deja vu. I try to motivate myself to make content that isn't vapid like everything else but I remember nothing is going to fucking change
6 likesI have changed accounts multiple times, but I have been on since 2007/2008. My new account has only been around since 2017, so RIP me.
7 likesI've been on YouTube since 2009 but i only made this account in 2015 or something so my feed is still mostly trash.
4 likes@Spice For Spice ooF
0 likesi’ve had this account since 2016, and somehow my feed is at least mediocre enough to be tolerable
0 likesMy algorithm is godlike for me, but maybe it's because I mainly use YouTube to discover good obscure music from the past, and it feels like I've been riding this train for years. There is definitely no shortage of good quality full album rips of stuff you will never see on any other platform than YouTube. Finding informative 'video essay' style channels turned into its own rabbit hole sort of. I mean that's why I'm even here in the first place, because EmpLemon's Never Ever series looked intriguing. But I'm sure it's the same for most subjects — if you dig deep enough, you'll find the quality content.
5 likesI agree. I feel sorry for anyone who makes an account today. They would only be shown absolute shit videos while many gems will never be seen. I even find people with over a million subs that aren't recommended to me but have several videos I like and I'm just like, how the fuck was I never shown this?
2 likesI've been watching youtube since 2011. I lost my old accounts but I still like to rewatch old videos I've seen. Because of this, I occasionally get some good videos, but the majority are either shit, something I'm not interested in, or videos I've already watched 50 times.
2 likes@paty kun same, I still get shit in mine
0 likesI've been on here damn near every day since 09, but I only created my current account a couple years back, meaning my recommended is complete shit. The only good small youtubers I ever found from it was Scott the Woz back in 2017, when he was still a very small channel.
2 likesI was here since 2012/2013, when I was a wee lad playing ATV Off-road Fury 2/3, flash games, etc.
0 likesnowadays i get a mix of trash, good content and videos that ive already watched like a million times before, i have an account since 2013 but ive been on youtube since the freddiew and smosh days (when they were at their peak)
0 likesI've been here since 2010 (on my old account), and my recommended feed isn't good, but it COULD be worse.
0 likesStill better than those who join the site nowadays.
Still as true as ever
1 likePOV I’m in the anti YouTube algorithm
1 likeMy god this video is insane
1 likeI hated EpicMealTime but loved Freddie Wing (Fucking blue shell!); but it was obvious why both were loved
0 likesHonestly, I wish we could go back to the days before ad revenue... before we had all of this "Who's watching this in Blah blah blah" and people not even being down to earth or honest. I gotta say... I agree with you on this video, every step of the way.
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I just want to make 50 bucks a month to pay for my editing software.
8 likesYou forgot 1st and notif squad
3 likesDujbum hasfun thepiratebay is your friend :)
1 likeUnless your a dummy like me
0 likesthen you get a friend to do itDarkSt0rm009 We all do.
0 likesIts on another downward spiral
2 likesBehind the meme’s content was entertaining
0 likesIf you make a video of a game with the word war in the title will make the video demonotazed
0 likesThe only reason I clicked on it was because I thought it was Nine Inch Nails lol
0 likes8:36 Well someone really likes their TF2bers.
93 likesAlso, someone finally credits the songs they use! Thank you, Lemon!
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Pooperscoo 101 TF24EVER
0 likesAfter Breakfast is best TF2ber.
2 likesPooperscoo 101 Ankle daaannnn the sentry maaaaaaan
2 likesPooperscoo 101 Thank god he's subscribed to 2ndJerma, he's so funny.
1 likeI find it telling actually. All the TF2bers he likes are not the big ones. Uncle Dane, After Breakfast, a lot of new, original content creators who didn't jump ship to Overcock when it came out.
5 likesLets face it, Muselk is part of the cancer he's talking about in this video.
Jerma985 (more specifically 2ndJerma nowadays)
0 likesHe is the ONLY lets-play esque channel I will EVER watch on this site
I haven't watched the video yet but I'm curious is history on what YouTube is going to be actually happened
0 likes@ 39:49
1 likeTo find out who rules over you.....
If I got to here “Like, subscribe and hit the bell icon for notifications” one more time.... 😤
0 likesOn the topic - I've noticed that the Algorithm specifically puts Fall of Civilizations' YT channel on autplay/recommend exclusively around 4am. It knows I like to listen to longform history while i sleep >.>
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The only problem is - I don't really love that YT channel. The algorithm just thinks I do because of ~8hour long watch times
0 likesthe lads right..very right
2 likesneeds an update for 2021
0 likesAnd it just keeps going
2 likesNothing has changed
3 likesThis video fills me with so much shame. I've been watching vids since 2008, and I never really stopped. I feel like dropping dead after seeing this, my god. I hope things could get better, eventually.
17 likes8:37 Unkle dan is a bery gud swtry man
1 likeGentlemen i reckon the time has come.
1 liketo Abandon ship
honestly, i kinda like autoplay since it playing videos automaticaly means i dont have to keep alt tabing out to select a new video while gayming
0 likesI want to go back to when i could open yt and within a minute find a video to watch
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Now i open youtube scroll and scroll untill either i find a vid after 3-5 minutes or a see another video which makes me think of a different youtuber i want to watch
1 likeLittle side update to this i now have to search for content yt just reccomends me videos ive watched already or videos i dont care for what so ever
0 likesI'd like to think Youtube has improved in 2019 since the vid but their policies have gotten worse and the mainstream content more trash. So its good to see niche or talented youtubers like Internet Historian or Ken Iijima succeed in an oversaturated website. Great Vid Emp :)
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And documentary and historycontent is there if you can find it
0 likesSo what other YT channels do you recommend. Thanks!
2 likesNow a-days you just need to upload dream smp clips
1 likeEmerson, Lake & Palmer, cool
0 likesWelcome to the machine
1 likeThis video can't be played in the mini player
1 likeMan watches Buckley, you have good taste.
0 likesyou are a true master.
0 likesTrippy watching this in 2021
1 likeI'm left with a decision: make a channel and try to further this message as best I can and with all the tools I can use. Or I can try to get everyone to stop watching youtube, get people to revolt and stand against them, see what life is like if we stop and make what we want.
23 likesThere may not even be a chance that either option will work, but I'm gonna try. Every other aspect of life is going down the shitter, so I might as well build this last pillar back up, and go from there. Maybe it will work. Maybe.
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Spread the word.
1 like27:18 me after the tenth ad and the fourth time they yell at me to subscribe
0 likesLove the video
0 likesI hope Charmx reacted to this video
0 likesCovid: Hold my beer
0 likeswow this aged very very well i cant believe how angry people were a couple years ago and now its even worse.
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And there's noting we can do about it
4 likesmrm8, you haven't uploaded recently
0 likes4 years actually
0 likesI sincerely believe low attention spans are the root of most problems on the internet
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Exactly, call me a redditor but shit like Tik Tok is making it even worse
1 likethis channel is literally YTP x Video Essay.
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which is why i listen to this channel while doing homework
0 likesThere is a lot of replacements for youtube
0 likesmy friend has a small channel, i hope he survives and makes it
1 likeI love these rant videos because I get to learn alot from the great and wise emp lemon, though I do end up getting anxious because I feel I always have start increasing the quality of my content after watching/ listening to one of these videos due to fear some stupid irrational fear of sorts in this case the "telling people to subscribe" thing which i'll promptly stop doing, great video mr. lemon
7 likesNow Youtube copied Youtube shorts from TikTok. Does anybody actually watch Youtube shorts?
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I have seen a few people using YouTube shorts at my school
2 likeswhat if we changed the algorithm from watch time to percent of video watched
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that would probably then result in a flood of tiny videos flooding the algorithm, and that may've already happened since i feel like youtube loves to recommend short videos now
0 likesHonestly this video aged like wine with a side of spoiled milk.
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youtube being the side of spoiled milk
2 likesDuring early 10s I wanted to become a YouTuber to be famous, but during my 5th grade I was popular TOO popular with my class that I couldn't get any alone time and if I became a YouTuber who wanted to famous today I could gone through the same way as my 5th grade year and i decided to stop becoming a YouTuber for fame
0 likesMan, animation is fighting a losing battle against the algorithm... and there are some great animators in this website that aren't getting the attention they deserve. I can't name any besides NCHproductions (check him out if you like monster hunter), but there is this other great animator that I'm subbed to, he makes animations based around LPers, mostly TRG, though. He made some on Tom Fawkes (the spear saga) and masaeanela (yeti ski race), so we will see if he branches out further. Try to find him, he does good stuff.
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Alan Becker! He’s still doing great animations!
2 likesHell ya nch is great!
0 likesThis is EMPunks best pipebomb
0 likesGoogle taking over was a mistake, it shouldn't have been that's the sad part; the oppressive legalism over copyright bureaucracy however is the frustrating part.
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Unfortunately, Google taking over was inevitable and what saved YouTube from the Viacom lawsuit. If they haven't then Viacom would win and we would have lose the original YouTube creativity anyway. And even if YouTube won, they would have eventually been bought out by some big company anyway because YouTube wouldn't make money otherwise
0 likesAttention span is at record low as they have introduced YouTube Shorts. By the way, just learned about DS.
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Shorts is basically TikTok
0 likesWhy is that every single good thing on the internet is completely fucked in the ass when big money start to be involved?
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Because freedom and creativity are not a thing in the greedy corporate world
2 likesI am thankful that watchmojo and buzzfeed are now irrelevant
1 likeYou were right.
2 likesT H E E A L G O R I T H M
0 likes36:28 dammit, even the independent journalists? fucking youtube
0 likesReject modernity, embrace tradition.
98 likesReturn to Newgrounds.
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@Catos Bobu123 agreed
3 likesYes
1 like@Catos Bobu123 what do you mean most og newgrounds animators know that newgrounds has always been edgy
1 likeAnd second tom fulp was happy fnf happened because it made newcomers know newgrounds
@Extremelightning
4 likesThere are different kinds of edgy.
Imo, newgrounds was edgy in that you had an incentive to throw lots of swears, put lots of violence, and have fun with the boys. It's a type of edgy similar to what you can see in South Park imo.
FnF player's edgyness manifests as being an angsty emo crybaby. "Waaah my OC is BF, but his flesh was stripped by his a&¥$ive parents and now all that's left of him are bones. And he dresses up like Sans. Thankfully, he can find some peace in my hurt comfort fic I just wrote(careful, it's nsfw!)"
Just because Fulp was happy about it doesn't mean he's infallible. Was FNF being allowed to draw in so many coomers a mistake? I'd personally liken it more to a miscalculation, or a compromise. It had it's benefits, but it came at the cost of the Newgrounds culture.
@Catos Bobu123 What’s FNF stand for?
2 likes@Fries A video game called "Friday Night Funking"
1 like@Catos Bobu123 How did that change Newgrounds? Not familiar with that website.
1 likeI only know it for a few flash games from the 00’s and 10’s.
@Fries it became popular on youtube, and bring more people to the site
1 likeKlay world, ah good memories
0 likes25:33 yeah pretty much me
0 likesAnyone know the song at 6:47?
0 likesHey I don't watch just gaming videos and lists I watch YTPs,Mapping,alt History and History
0 likesYou know, the thing that makes me the most sad, which I guess in a way is kind of funny, is the fact I'm not sad that YouTube is going to wither into nothing, Which will happen because of how set Google are in their ways, but the fact that when it does, so many amazing videos will be lost to time, and likely unarchived.
44 likesAll because Google is so far up their own ass that they believe that nobody else but them can make good decisions, and ideas, which is hilarious when you realize YouTube was a beautiful landscape until Google came in with a bulldozer forcing them to sell, and just destroyed everything we loved whole constantly looking towards us with a disgusting grin, and a thumb high up, encouraging us this is better. Google, and YouTube is the real-life equivalent of those overly dramatic "we need to save the park!" plots in shows,except in this case it comes with the all-too-real consequence that we can't do a damn thing. We're getting a beating every morning, and we have to fucking thank them for it. Because if we don't we can get kicked from the platform for any reason they like, get further buried, or even worse... Nothing will happen.
This isn't YouTube anymore, it's a Frankenstein-level corpse that just wants to die, but Google keeps zapping it with electricity, and forcing it to live as the monster they created. I seriously wish companies like Google would meet horrible financial disasters, because then we could watch them suffer like they so gleefully watched their customers, users, and all-else suffer from the changes they constantly make to non-broken systems. It'll always be the same damn thing with them.
Google; If it ain't broke, break it, claim it's a problem, replace it, and say the replacement is an improvement despite being inferior to previous feature even when it was broken. Google can't even make a product better than something broken. It's fucking sad how they managed to be the biggest company in the world with incompetence of that scale. The trend setters are just followers now, and they're following a derailed, crashing train.
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exactly its like modern spongebob it should have just ended a long time ago rather than keeping it alive for too long until it becomes shit
3 likesVery sad way to look at it, but true... they're taking down everyone with them. Disgusting.
0 likesI don't want to see youtube die. I don't want to. It's like those rage comics you see on Facebook or the current simpsons, it's shit, cancer, aids, and disgusting, but there was a time you loved it with your entire being, when you laughed at it, and it removed all the worries and troubles from your life from a few moments, but those memories from the golden period come back so often and feel so warm you can't kill it. It's impossible to bring yourself to do it. You've grown too attached, and simultaneously hope it withers, but hope it just keeps going forward, no matter how shit it is. That is why I don't want to see YouTube dead. I've loved it for too long.
1 likeYouTube's soul is gone but it's a historic brand name and seems pretty damn successful. I really don't think it's going to die in the forseeable future. I think the people saying that don't realise that the masses are completely and utterly fine with YouTube. This site is way more difficult to replace or ignore than cable, which a lot of the masses actually moved on from.
0 likesReminder that T-Series is #1 in sub counts. The masses don't care, the masses don't know what the soul of this site was, the masses only use YouTube extremely casually and look for stupid content, and the corporations are only interested in the masses, and YouTube is run by and in bed with corporations more and more.
I do see an eventual purge of really old/low-view content, maybe. And yeah, that stuff is gonna be unarchived which fucking blows.
I have some in my collection
1 likeWell, time to start collecting videos and reuploading them randomly.
Kek 3 years later and now the dislike is on the line
0 likesYoutube is kill
N-yeah you're right
will this video have a sequel for the fifth anniversary maybe called migration from youtube
0 likesthe comments are pretty crap
0 likestheyre only pretending the bangers known as ant farm videos are better than emplemons video even though theyre better than any video on youtube
So all I'm getting from this video is that capitalism is and always will be what kills creativity.
0 likesIt's the same as in every "new, exciting" creative endeavor. Once corporations get a hold of it, or money gets involved, the product becomes poisoned. The problem is that most creative people are terrible at sales and sales people are almost never creative. So you get this vicious circle where the creative idea gets milked because it sells, but then it becomes stale. So the creative side wants to do something new, but that's risky, because what if it doesn't sell? So either something new and creative gets made which goes through the same process again, or you get content that stops being creative and gets stale.
22 likes20:54 xDDDD i died lololol
0 likesso does anybody know the name of the song at 37:38?
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Led Zeppelin - Achilles Last Stand
0 likeswelcome to youtube shorts, its evolved
0 likesLIMC is a better meme channel in 2022
2 likesdamn this video l e n g t h y
1 like37:30 LMAO << THERE Is a Youtube movie( free with ads) right next to this Video !!! LMAO YOUTUBE IS TRYING TO BE LIKE TV .. when it should be the opposite ..
1 likeWell, this put me off bothering with YouTube. I’m only going to do videos, if I really want to now- like random projects or what not.
1 likeBut, why am I even saying this? No one’s gonna watch any of them anyways.
You can delete youtube from the title and put internet
1 likeI'm going to try starting a YouTube channel. The whole video talked about how it's practically impossible to do that now, but this whole pretty much 50 minute video has inspired me. I'm writing this at the very end, and it's only just helping push me to finally posting my first video, be it a short five minute one due to recording everything on an iPad because I'm a poor fuck who can't afford all the equipment needed to actually make a proper video. This is basically just a big thank you paragraph, to be honest. And no, I will not be posting my videos on this channel, I will be doing it on another one. But yeah, your channel deserves a lot more subs then you've got, man, and even though you insist for all of us subscribers to unsubscribe, I don't think I'll be doing that any time soon. Keep making the amazing content that you are, because it truly is different from practically everything else I've seen since everything actually is just a carbon copy of everything else on this damn site. Good luck on not getting demonetized by the YouTube bots, by the way.
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zushi zaurus can't wait to see what content your making
2 likesatomic doomsday58 Same.
2 likesPut channel name
0 likeszushi zaurus May the odds be ever in your favor
0 likesWaiting...
0 likesHonestly, just pick this mindset: I just want to do this stuff, and post it for others to see. You don't have to care about anything else other than your content if you follow that ultimate level of ignorance
1 likezushi zaurus glad this video encouraged you mabye if you continue to create and improve and mabye if your big enough you can influence youtube to make good content only
2 likeszushi zaurus 5 months later.....
0 likeszushi zaurus What is the channel that you were going to post the videos on?
0 likesPlaying the ultimate showdown instrumental hit me with a wave of nostalgia I haven't felt in a long time.
0 likesDOWNWARD SPIRAL.
1 likeThe Youtube bis strat reminds me a lot of the horrors of communism. Change my mind.
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I don’t think you actually understand what communism is.
0 likesYeah people saying you should subscribe works for dream because he asks nicely
0 likesEmpLemon I feel your pain
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Dream is a hack
0 likes@Now Defunct Channel could not agree more
0 likesYTPs are some of the only videos can can make me laugh genuinely and uncontrollably.
7 likesI like the Emerson Lake And Palmer music.
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Yes, it’s incredible
1 likeWatch Gildedguy, underrated, under appreciated, very cool animator
1 likeYour head is on CM Punk which is very accurate
0 likesThere is "Fair tube" now, at least
0 likescries in animator
122 likesBut really, even if YouTube becomes more of a shitshow, there's really nowhere else to go. The content I like to watch is on YouTube, it's been on YouTube for half my life, and my content is on YouTube. I don't know if I could switch to an alternative, because YouTube is all I've ever known. There is nothing else.
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Ain't that the truth. There's nothing else like it. I built my career on YouTube.
3 likesThat's because Modern YouTube is designed to ensure that no competitor can come close.
17 likesGoogle's employing the Walmart strategy: Lose money on one aspect (YouTube doesn't make a profit) in order to ensure zero competition (no other site can run for long in the same way YouTube can without bankrupting itself).
If Modern YouTube was designed any differently, it would have more competitors, and it would have died from running at a loss without a profit.
Norhing I used to watch YouTube for back then is still here
1 likeActually there IS another place to go: Newgrounds.
6 likesSeriously guys, this site is still going strong, PLEASE CHECK IT OUT NOW.
all of my content i like to watch is gone no reason to use it anymore
0 likes@Just a rat ripping a bong my animations are not good enough to be on newgrounds wheeze-
0 likesCompared to people there I'm just starting out they'd drag me over the coals
@Just a rat ripping a bong yeah that's true :) thanks
0 likesListens to Pink Floyd once
1 likeam i the only person that likes longer vids
0 likesDefinitely subscribed during the asking for subscription section
0 likesYou are at 666k Subs, Congrats laddie. Hope ya having a nice day.
0 likesI hadn't seen hate videos for a long time.This is good
0 likesOh, a cataclysmic event is going to happen, just you wait.
1 likeHehehehe
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Hope there is rocket to get people off the planet and not just the rich in case world war 3 causes a nuclear winter.
0 likes30:00 does buzzfeed unsolved and supernatural count?
1 like28:57 Correct, i do.
1 likeThere was a grand tree I used to look at every day as a child on my way to primary school. It towered over me, my dad, the buildings, and even all the other trees. It was comforting to know that every day on my way to school, I would always see the same tree greeting me as I walked past. Even as a teenager, when I walked past the tree on my way from secondary school, I would note that it wasn't producing fruit or leaves anymore. As I got older and learned more about the world, I started to understand that this tree is not only dead, but it's been dead for many years. It's still there in that exact same spot, alive to anyone who casually walks past it, but it's long gone in reality. I've given that dead tree a name: Youtube.
106 likesSeriously, Youtube is a tree: You always think it's just too big to die, and it'll always be there, but effectively, it can and will die, even if no-one notices until after it's too late. I think Youtube is still there, but it's original premise and soul is dead.
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If I had to challenge myself and my subscriptions, I'd say the only "corporate" channel is the official Queen channel. Outside of that, I'm subscribed to a ton of channels pandering to the algorithm (Phantomstrider, Nathaniel Bandy) but most of them have been doing it since before Youtube broke itself, and would be doing it anyway (Chuggaaconroy, Nintendocaprisun). I trust those to be genuine people and not just money-suckers. It doesn't matter anymore because I'm mostly on Vid.me rather than Youtube nowadays anyway.
6 likesAlso, I feel like after the Behind the Meme video and now this, Emplemon's still building up towards even bigger-scale rants, like the state of humanity or something!
Man now I wanna leave the internet
5 likesget the shotgun.
1 likeHeWhoIsSadAndLonely
1 likeThis comment needs to be appreciated.
We need a version of Old YouTube with networking, as that would be a GOD of video sites.
3 likes"your video has been demonetized" XD XD XD XD XD XD
0 likes22:31 exurb1a is a quality youtuber
0 likesI agree with the most of takes. But examples of "good channels" you show... They are shitty channels.
0 likes46:00 why do you think I only watch smaller youtubers.
1 likei fucking love this video, dude. i stopped watching television all together in 2013 for this exact reason. television is 90% cancer, 5% aids, and 5% watchable content. but even then, you have to sit through hours of commercials that make me feel like i am literally losing brain cells. like you, that's exactly why i switched to youtube. i identify with so much of this video, and the fact that youtube has gotten so shitty that there are actual children's playlists consisting of endless copycat videos of elsa getting date-raped by the fucking joker, makes me want to cut my own fucking head into individual slices and put them in a toaster, so these money hungry sociopaths can literally eat my brain cells, instead of slowly sucking my soul out through the algorithm.
13 likes10/10 video, mate. this NEEDS to be seen by everyone on youtube.
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This needs to be put on TV, maybe on independent TV stations or on Ion.
0 likesWe’re living in the pale city.
0 likesstill relevant
1 likeHere in 2021...it haven't gotten any better. But far...far worse
1 likeI hope YouTube changes
1 likeBeen straight up consuming YouTube for over a decade now and for the first time this year I thought about avoiding this site completely for a couple of months because of how much the site has gotten so shitty in content, community and especially quality
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OSTrules heck I also was about to give up and post somewhere else but then I tried again and again which never works. So I will think about leaving this website for good but posting videos I already have most of clicks from other websites. Yeah it just sucks nowadays.
0 likeslessons in meme culture is the better version of behind the meme
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Exactly
1 likeWhat are your thoughts on YT's state rn, 3 years later?
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Better. Way better. Well, at least the YouTube Community is better. It isn't as corporate as some people may make it out to be now. Big corporations are seemingly less popular than ever now. And there are still some smaller creators that are making the rounds. Millions of people will still watch Jimmy Kimmel, or WatchMojo. But they're the ones who are choosing to watch it. I say just trying and ignore them and try and deviate from them.
0 likesWell there were fidget spinners in this video so I guess I'm hooked
0 likesU could easily make this video about the Oscars (obviously make some tweaks to it) and the point would still get across
0 likesThis was a religious experience, thank you for still caring about content on Youtube EmpLemon.
17 likesFrom open source common ownership to late stage capitalism.
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Wdym "late stage capitalism"? Google's monopoly is crumbling gradually , as the competition restores the internet to its early 2000's decentralised state. To me, that demonstrates that capitalism is in its prime
1 likeLmao i didn't even notice this was from 2017, christ, this website has only gotten worse since then
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And continues to get worse after every year
2 likes22:31 quality YouTuber with big allegations
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You... do know this was made 4 years ago, right?
2 likesDoes watching in 2x speed decrease revenue for the youtuber?
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Nope ads make them money
0 likesEmp was trying to warn us but we didn't listen.
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people thought it would get bad but not this bad😱
1 likeold man yells at the cloud
0 likesTELL EM LEMON
0 likesI am feeling free to complain that it is your fault that I have a tiny attention span
0 likesDownward spiral downward spiral downward spiral downward spiral.
2 likesWhen that small clip of Leo and Satan and Pokémon but with animals instead flashed through it brought me back to the good o'l days
0 likesSame story.
1 likeDifferent Year.
What about EddsWorld, by the way, I've been watching youtube since 2008, although I don't really remember much
1 likeOnly watched a few of your videos so far but I am already impressed with your commitment, relentlessness and diligence into your content. Your passion is also inspiring. Do you also think Twitch could be a viable competitor?
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"Is is too late for Russia?"
1 likeIs Lessons In Meme Culture decent in your metric?
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He said yes
1 likeHey, if it was that hard in 2017 to become notable, how hard is it today in 2021?
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@Mercury Huh. Well, then that's still not really any better, is it?
0 likesytp are art
0 likesI LIKE HIM BUT DID HE SAY THAT JOHNNY TEST WAS MEIDOCRE THAT WAS THE SHIT IN 2010-2014
0 likesAfter watching your video, I actually took some initiative, and looked at your subscriptions to find good content. Instead of watching stuff just because it was there like you mentioned near the end, I got opened up to a lot of REALLY good and horrifically underrated content. I clicked on videos and channels because they looked good and interesting.
25 likesAlso, I guess I'm one of the lucky few 15 year-olds who knows who Rebecca Black was. Hell, I used to watch the very first episodes of Death Battles. And back then, because I was STOOPID, I binge watched Annoying Orange. I have a lot of Youtube experience, most of which I got from using the internet browser on the PS3 back when it was "next-gen".
Thanks for inspiring me, Lemon. I look forward to whatever follows this video.
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Captain Io
0 likesDude I remember the old days where you didn’t need a google account for YouTube.
The days where Fred, Ytps, The first let’s plays, videos about my favorite video games and movies, and Annoying orange were common to see. Those were the days.
sheep watching this: yeah i like buzzfeed and watchmojo, cry about it sksksksksksk
2 likesthe reason people tell you to subscribe is so the children listen to them and fill their subscriptions with the same stuff
0 likesThere are a lot of pro YouTube shills in these comments
1 likeWhy have i not seen this for the last 5 years
0 likesDamn, that ending was inspiring. Good video.
10 likesand now the dislike button is gone......
4 likesHe is so right
1 like“Kids react to gay marriage”
0 likesWtaf
YTP is when "SoS"
0 likesThis was an amazing video, I've felt the exact same way as things get more and more dumbed down and "streamlined" as Todd Howard would put it. There are some good YouTubers left like you mentioned, and if you don't mind I'd love to shoutout one of my favorite ones here because her channel isn't that big but she's probably the exact opposite of what YouTubers nowadays stand for. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCPhvw06BupffcviCe6LMLgQ
6 likesThat being said there are some big channels that are good too, but of course we gotta try to help out some of these little guys whenever we can. I've been considering starting a YouTube channel similar to the one I just linked, but I've been really intimidated to do so for a lot of the reasons you listed. But seeing her channel somehow miraculously succeed gives me hope. I do think certain categories are the key.
For example with The Authentic Observer's channel- the one I just mentioned- she talks about books, storytelling, culture, etc. Since that's not common for most YouTube channels, maybe that's how she got thousands of viewers. Still not a lot, but definitely successful this early on.
So it's made me wonder if talking about some of the more serious stuff is what makes a YouTuber stand out. Creating good animation or funny, entertaining videos isn't enough anymore because that's what all the corporate giants are doing.
However channels like Shoe0nhead make stupid and entertaining content based entirely on mocking political and cultural events and people, as do channels like Tim Pool and The Quartering. What makes these YouTubers successful is not only are they hard-working and making meaningful, entertaining content, but they're taking on topics that the big YouTubers aren't. Big YouTube channels like T-series aren't talking about the importance of whether or not you kill Mr. House in Fallout New Vegas, nor are they talking about why Cassandra Clare's books suck the way The Authentic Observer does.
So it seems to me the secret is not only original content, but an original topic. One example that I think proves this completely is when the channel The Theorizer, who does theories on animated movies, picked apart Coraline and created a massive audience out of thin air. Until he brought it up, no YouTubers out there were doing long, 30-minute+ analysis videos of the 2009 stop-motion film Coraline, but as soon as he did, a bunch of other big YouTubers tried to steal his idea, but it was too late. He already had millions of views on his Coraline videos and everyone knew he was the one who started that trend, and he even pointed out which channels stole his idea and it only reinforced the image of his originality.
What do you guys think?
Good video. Good point.
2 likesthis aged like Pixar
0 likesI wonder what would happen if there was a wipe. Everyones subscribers and content is just suddenly reset. I understand for some people its how they make their living, but i mean theorectically what would happen if suddenly everything was reset.
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A lot more blame on trump for not doing enough to sort out big tech.
0 likesI’m happy this video generally aged badly. EXCEPT THEY REMOVED THE DISLIKE
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Really? I think the same amount of problems from this 2017 video still existed on YouTube currently. I feel like 2022 has been the worse year where users sub count is not coming close to there view count, for example if someone has 400k sub they are averaging like 10k views. it's crazy
3 likesNow they are trying to become tiktok
1 likeLol the subscribe at the end
0 likes30:30 that buzzfeed comment got me
0 likes23:02 like that song
0 likesOh god I miss old YouTube
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I remember watching the laser collection and the old Know Your Meme vids.
2 likesEveryone is
0 likesYou think so I subscide to rare channels like gemreview
0 likesSteaMonkey things were better back then.
0 likesVid me is the bastion you're looking for
0 likesMe too. I remember using YouTube since 2010, maybe 2011, a time when YouTube was full of genuine content like cat videos, Nyan cat as well as laser collection and other memes of the day as well as hand done animations made by normal people, but now YouTube Is full of Elsa and Spider-Man child porn, fidget spinners, letsplays and other cringy shit.... Sure animation did see a slight resurgence with people like DashieXP or lesser known youtubers and sure more people watch YouTube than ever, YouTube is just going to keep fucking up and becoming the equivalent of a piece of corrugated cardboard.
2 likesBMW i Series aka Shane Smithler genuine content such as cat videos?
1 likeI remember the last of the glory days
0 likesIf only we knew it was all downhill from there
Goodbye YouTube...............
Liem Do no
0 likesTHE ALGORITHM can only show you shitty shit if you let it show you shitty shit. My feeds are very well curated for me and I still find lots of new videos and channels. For example I have no fucking clue who this guy is that made this video. I ended up here following random clicks.
0 likesTo think how much worse it has gotten since this video
1 likeI feel sad, like really sad
1 like11:40 all your rants are about nostalgia for the past. Perhaps you growing up has to do with it too
0 likesAnother big point that you didn't bring up substantially that I felt compelled to mention is what happens when these big channels decide they have had enough? The markipliers, Pewdiepies, and other singular YouTube like celebrities that people either watch religiously or know about, what will happen when they want to retire? Regardless of whether you enjoy that content or not, they still hold a lot of weight on the site as a whole.
11 likesWe've already seen YouTubers like Jontron and NerdCubed among many other (mentioning them specifically because I am familiar with their work) who have been forced in a way to hiatuses of various lengths and their resolve for the website may not hold them to it. Who will be there to take their place? The only option I see there is more and more corporate entities coming in as channels to fill the void, and unfortunately I feel that will accelerate the process to an even more saturated, stagnant website. And when finally the stagnation turns to toxicity, I fear the worst for this site and those who are on it.
Regardless, major props to you for not only having the guts to stand up and say something like this, but to undoubtedly put hundreds of hours into ensuring that every frame was visually interesting and writing that was thought provoking but not insulting to the viewer. Thumbs up and you have earned my subscription.
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YouTube is the sick man of the internet, and we should all just go onto PocketMovies. After all, nobody uses that site anymore. However, that means less stupid channels. Yay!
0 likesGaming Diabetic I agree with your comment entirely
1 likeWhy do Youtubrs ask people to subscribe to them?
0 likesBecause, depressingly, it actually works. So the only reason not to is if you want your channel to get less exposure.
the bird which is the bald eagle 36:37
0 likesgod amongst men
1 liketHe AlGoRiThM!!
0 likesThis video is depressingly honest.
35 likesMan we fell off the YouTuber and the viewer
0 likesDude YTP Spider-Man is a hidden gem. If you have not see them do your self a favor.
0 likeshe fucking predicted it
0 likesPizza Time!
1 likeI think it would be best for the viewer and the content creator that YouTube does. It would begin an era of new website to fill the enormous void of places to hold content. Meaning people will have to go out and find the content they wanna see, and the content creator gets to jump ship to whatever site would be suitable. Try imagining Deviant Art with stricter, more family friendly content. Then Shadmen tried uploading his artwork, only to be banned in just a few hours. He instead made his own website where he can post whatever he wants with whoever he wants. So this downward spiral leading to the death of of YouTube could be the best future we could see for content creators and viewers alike.
7 likesTL;DR : YouTube ending would lead to smaller sites hosting better content.
This is a great rant
0 likesDo you think that bigger youtubers should break off and create their own websites for their videos so smaller youtubers could benefit from the revenue vacuum?
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Issue is, even if you market it, who will even come there? If there's nothing new on the table there, what's the point?
0 likes33:35 a yellow simpson?
2 likesThe amount of mid video adverts in this say it all.
0 likesHonestly, I don’t get why people think that any video that’s over 10 minutes is “too long”. A video that’s just 10 minutes long is too short, that is if the person who made the video is funny and/or has a good personality. If the person who made the video doesn’t have a good sense of humor and/or personality then I can see where an over 10 minute long video is too long.
8 likesActually started watching Emperor Lemons YTPs in 2012 and 9 years later he shows up on my recommendations... thank you YouTube
2 likesThink this is the angriest I've seen
0 likesI never really got the whole YTP thing.
0 likesBut then... why the fuck should I.
It's like giving the remotest shit about star wars stuff... it's kids stuff... so why should I care.
But I DO LIKE Emperor Lemon's videos.
Am I a bad person?
Would YOU even know? Of course not, this is youtube, land of the ephemeral gobshite.
Stay healthy out there
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0 likes@Happy SoftTM (too much time / not enough chewable furnishings)
0 likes12:58 wait.... backgrounds by shadman?
0 likesIt's gotten even worse man
2 likes6:20 lmao
0 likesWow your right youtube is getting worse
1 likeI’m not a zombie bro 😎
0 likesI've always enjoyed ytp's. I always think I will. I say power to the creative minds who come up with the hilarious and well put together content. No doubt it takes a lot of editing and dedication.
5 likesAt 29:10 why is jontron pictured? I don’t know the context behind it. I’m guessing it has to do with speaking his mind on something and getting a bunch of crap for it
0 likesyay not a zombie :D
1 like40:37 YES THEY ARE TAKING MONEY OUT OF THE POCKET WHO NEED THE MONEY , THEY EARNED .. and GIVING THAT MoNEY TO CORPS THAT DONT NEED I TT OR DESIRVE IT < < CUZ OF FAR USE ,, but utube dont know what far use is .
0 likesThis video was made to age ilke wine
0 likesYeah. Yeah, he's right.
0 likes26:55 welcome to DC
0 likesAnd it's much worse.
4 likesi Agree i make simple videoss like minecraft unedited and i stay out of too many trends
0 likesSo far from watching this video, ALL OF IT. I have to say. He's right....He is in fact 100% correct and we got nothing to do to stop it...So I say to you here in my honest to god opinion on this.
6 likesI wanted to be intelligent for the day a majority of people who watch dumpster fire for entertainment finally understands that they are watching so I can just laugh at how they...."Used" to have bad tastes because I can only hope things go back, back to the golden age.
Bro they literally copied tiktok with YouTube shorts after this lol
2 likesThat's why i don't like ParashockX,he got one million subscribers in the easiest way possible,most of people subscribed to him are kids,i know a lot of youtubers that have a lot effort and don't even reach half of subscribers this guy has
1 likeYou are so cool
0 likesThis is depressing
0 likesPeople are cutting cable left and right. Youtube and online media has a decent shot at competing with TV if they didn't censor their highly viewed their more edgy creators (including politics) The fact that the WSJ went after Pewdiepie is a signal that Youtube is a eating away their viewership.
32 likes14:20 "without fear of being tossed aside for speaking their minds" and then there's a picture of jontron for one frame:
0 likesI think this is a bad example because when "speaking your mind" is spouting racist and fascist stuff you should very much be tossed aside imo, or at least fear a little of losing some of your fanbase, and jontron barely had any backlash from his controversial outings and was still very active and successful after that so yeah, missed the point on that one
I always return to this Video, ever since it was uploaded, every year... I just come back to rewatch it and just get hopeful that one day ill make it up there aswell. I have been trying youtube for the past 10years. This Video always just gives me hope. Thank you EmpLemon, even if you dont see this, I respect you.
29 likesso basically, youtube recommends those who have already succeeded instead of encouraging you to branch out your interests, they give too much to too many who achieve an arbitrary milestone, and they design the site to be as grating and soulless as possible, effectively guaranteeing that only the absolute best youtubers can make it to the same level as the late night jimmy's and the talentless sellouts. yup, sounds about right.
26 likesThis genuinely inspirated me to search for the greatness, keep up the good content :D
11 likesfucking THANK YOU. HOLY SHIT. Like most of what you said has been my view on how shitty YouTube's become! When you talked about the whole shitty "LiKE aNd sUBSCrriiBEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE" I was like "I FUCKING KNOW RIGHT?!?" and was literally thinking EXACTLY what you were saying like "If you like the content, YOU CAN SUBSCRIBE WITHOUT BEING FUCKING TOLD." like HOLY SHIT. Anyway, cool video.
6 likesYouTube still hasn't improved
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why would it, they dont keep it around for profit, they keep it around for how it can influence culture
7 likesthe content has improved but the policies have only gotten worse
7 likesJust seek out a subculture. That's the only escape imo.
3 likesstill on a downward spiral
1 likeWe need a 2020 version of this video, complete and utter for all issues on YouTube at the time. Would be helpful to the community I think.
2 likesMy question is if people kept abusing the tag system, why not limit the number of tags that can be applied to a single video to just a few, and revoke the ability to use tags from any channel that regularly spams misleading tags? It wouldn’t be as harsh as demonetization, but it would be a good incentive not to spam the wrong tags on purpose, and limiting the tags would be much simpler and more effective than changing the entire algorithm.
4 likesFuck it’s Google, why and I even trying to come up with reasonable solutions?
I can replay any of these videos and they always get better each time I watch them. And they become more and more relevant as youtube falls down this seemingly endless spiral.
2 likesIt's funny, isn't it? Youtube hasn't really improved at all. Only Youtubers have. The quality of their videos, the ways they've discovered to avoid copyright, and ways to actually make money from their content.
2 likesEmpLemon going from YTPs to rants to stuff like Stanislav Petrov, Dale Earnheart, and Viacom's lawsuit against Youtube really is a testament to this.
At the end of 2020, and this has never been more true. It has taken me three years to actually find a decent amount of original content with heart.
1 likeAbsolute phenomenal video man, I love everything about this
0 likesFinished the last second of this video at 3am right on the dot. Hope I made you at least a little happier that one more person agrees enough with you to yawn themselves to tears. Goodnight sweet prince.
15 likesDamn, this is an incredible video. Now I wanna go and be the greatest
7 likesThis video mashed with a couple other Emplemon videos I've watched pretty well articulate why I never put forth the effort into youtube content myself. Why would I put effort into something that's just gonna get drowned in a fast food fry vat of others content garbage. Loose monetization, get censored, copyright claimed for a song in the background and get sued by Michael Jackson. Remember when you actually had to have a clip from your video as a thumbnail? Yea, when that changed (along with a hand full of other things) many years ago is when I threw youtube out the window as a possible form of free expression. Not to mention, it's worse today than it was back then. Keep it up Emplemon
1 likeYou continue to give a much needed daily dose with every downward spiral.
0 likesIts great how this video will always be relevant as long as this site exists
2 likesevery time i rewatch the laser collection i feel an overwhelming sadness, remembering how innocent this site used to be.
0 likesI come back to this video over and over again... It never ends does it?
11 likesNow i finally feel it Mr. Crabs...
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same here😑🤯
0 likesFinaly someone who can put the situation on YouTube into words.
1 likeMy rule for myself when I started making videos is I have to have fun making the video. Monetization has always been a background thing, and I'm probably never going to experience burnout because of it.
1 likeWould you look at that, EmpLemon.
1 likeNow we have YouTube striking down a staged road rage scene that was practically not violent at all.
Am I correct, Markiplier and Cr1tikal, or am I not?
3 years yet still accurate
23 likesI WANT the website to do good. I (which is also a smaller channel) WANT other smaller channels to survive. I WANT the website to get its charm back. Most of the entertainment I get is from YouTube. I care a lot about the platform, and it breaks my heart to see it fall so far from grace. The platform FAVORS bigger channels, and it's wrong on so many levels. The website is nothing but a shitty corporate dump that's desperate for money and copies other platforms. The algorithm is irrelevant and bad. To Google: STOP STEALING PEOPLE'S DATA.
3 likesRelated, this also reminds me how web articles are becoming complete shit too. News articles are chock full of ads you can't even read anything; ads on all sides; ads breaking up the text, you can't even read the article.
2 likesIn addition, the article was compiled by some bot, not even a human, which just copied it from Associated Press and changed a few words. Also, when sites just embed/copy the text of wikipedia and act like it's different information...nobody has any intelligence, creativity, or even the ability to write.
I miss the old html websites that a human actually handcrafted; and which had page counters, and fucking rainbow graphics and crazy blue or black background and green text. I can't even use the web anymore unless I know exactly where I'm going going, cause it's all shit
Anyone want to h*ck one of these big-ass s*tes?
3 years later, still relevant
5 likes"If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stomping on a human face forever."
7 likesThis is why Edutainment Youtube is the best, it's high quality and polished but focused on a specific audience.
2 likesI've been using YouTube for years, I've Unsubscribed from many channels I once loved because I've seen them eventually sell out. I've found many new channels I loved, that I Unsubscribed from because as soon as they become popular enough where they can make good money, they sell out. I barely Subscribe to anyone anymore & usually don't hit the Like button on the majority of videos I watch because of shitty practices like trying to peddle me shit, begging me to Sub/Like insulting my intelligence, or misleading me among other things. You sold me on this video because of your "INTEGRITY", you've listed everything I hate about this platform & many of its creators/fanbase. You're also not scared to share your views regardless of how popular or unpopular they might be, you're a rare one. Because of this I'll Subscribe.
3 likesI feel this so much. Back in the pre-google days there was actual community. People made vids, collabed, and then there was the stickam hangouts. Things sure changed.
0 likesEmplemons music taste is finer than a French wine
4 likesYou are amazing! I feel like you forced the blue pill in my mouth and now my eyes are as big as the moon
0 likes3 years later i want to go back to the good old days there is still good content on youtube its that theres just so much less now.
0 likesThis aged like wine
15 likesIdk man, You can still make it on youtube in 2020 if you work hard enough. But everyone's experience is likely different dependent upon what sort of content you make
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Well, if you look at my content, it's a rugged, stitched production style. Enough for broad appeal.
1 likeI am very glad you made a transition to analysis videos. These were just, “put on screaming voice, occasionally contradict yourself, call people retarded for watching content they like, and produce the same content you criticize.
0 likes3 years later and this is still relevant
4 likesThank you, you might of gave me the push to start writing again with your speech at the end.
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made me do the opposite this makes me not want to make anything
0 likesI do agree this is not a sustainable formation. I have been thinking to myself why am I just watching videos because it's just there. Wasting so much time for things I don't care about. Props to you
2 likesThey blocked my fucking Toonami parody video because I used a few seconds of Adele's "Hello" in it. This is an outrage. They also forced me to delete a slowed and reverb Prince song video I had up for a while because they blocked it. (I hear Prince's estate is very protective of his music, but ADELE?! Seriously?!)
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stop using copyrighted music like it belongs to you then
0 likes@Ki what the fuck?
5 likesbruh
0 likesI do legitimately wonder what would happen if all the good content creators just left to another platform. Let YouTube burn.
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Laughs in StoryFire
0 likes@Clorox Bleach Laughs in Vidlii
0 likesThree years later, this video is still relevant
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now four years old.
0 likesSad part about this is that there are people out there who make bank on just reuploading trailers and game event demoes and labelling them as "Walkthrough's" which they never fail to get good views on. If that isn't a good indication of where this site is going (or has already since the making of this video) I don't know what is.
1 likebeing a channel of trash memes and minecraft lets plays, i can wholeheartedly agree with this video
14 likesOne of the best videos on this platform
1 like3 years later: even more like tv
39 likesYou gotta watch "The Social Dilemma" Mr. Lemon, it goes perfectly with this.
0 likesWhat's funny is that this is one of my favorite YouTube videos
1 likeCalm down Emp. Most viewers with actual taste are just more silent than the blaring crowd. We appreciate your stuff.
5 likesThis zombie watched 100% of the video haha. I do have to admit, I am not very proud of some things in my newest video, I didn't do enough research for the video to be accurate to the source material. I was worried that if i take too long to upload that i will loose relevance. But i should definitely learn from that if i want to have quality content. Thanks for the video man.
0 likesI'm just here to give props for including a cover of Achilles Last Stand because that song is heat
0 likesCreators should make a union
0 likesEdit: Even when I've become a monarchist-libertarian, I still stand by this.
"Background done by Oney and Shadman" remember when shadman wasnt just a cursed punchline?
4 likesMe neither...
Man, your videos are awesome. I wish there was some way to add your new uploads to my feed or keep track of your channel... Maybe there's a button or something?
0 likesIf ONLY there was a BUTTON
4:13 Kind of a missed opportunity: You could've called it Mystery Spadinner Theater 3000 instead of Spaghetti Toast Dinner Theater
0 likesWhat I've seen in the past year more than anything is the absurd amount of ads played almost constantly through videos now. It's become such a pain in the ass to have to deal with them. And of course what's the solution? Pay for premium service, and you won't have to deal with them any longer. Ad blocker may seem like a way around it, but I picked up a virus from that a while back. So pay for youtube if you don't want constant interruptions? It's the old mob protection racket.. if you don't want trouble, pay for our 'service'. And of course people say 'well youtube needs to make money from ad revenue right?' They were already making a fortune. They've just become greedy
0 likesProbably the single BIGGEST nerf to Youtube's UI is the removal of an actual related videos section, which were key to getting lost in a particular type of videos and being on "the weird part of YouTube". It made browsing YouTube feel like going on an adventure.
3 likesNow we have "Recommended for you" videos which are based on the entirety of your search/watch history, liked videos, etc, resulting in completely irrelevant videos. It makes it much harder to bingewatch a certain type of videos by a variety of different uploaders (like YTP's, YTPMV's or fads). There is no longer a "weird part of YouTube". Now it's all just... YouTube.
And it sucks.
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Proof that the algorithm and the entire website has descended into a worse beyond state of this downward spiral
3 likesAll of these problems in this website including this algorithm is the same if not worse
a lot like being stuck in a loop.
0 likesLong videos work for me. But short videos need to have warnings.
1 likeyoutube today has been intense pain
0 likes80% of the channels that I used to watch has lowered their quality down in favor of the algorithm, they turned into fake ass personas to entertain way younger audience.
the ads via mobile are literally EVERYWHERE to the point that the only comfortable way to use the platform is with the adblock enabled on pc. the ads are so obnoxious now that the moment I see a midroll ad, I just close the video and watch the rest with adblock. I will NEVER buy their premium bullshit because I do not want to support them, I'm not happy with their services and treatment with the creators, so why the fuck should I pay premium for them?
whenever I want to look for a specific video or meme, or clip, the results are always people reacting to the video instead of the original video itself. no matter how long I keep looking for it it just does not show up. sometimes they even show irrelevant results that has absolutely nothing to do with what I'm looking for.
Emp made the theory and Dunkey is proving it right
1 likeEmp is the cmpunk of YouTube and YouTube is Vince, I love all references to wwe in this video
1 likeAnd it’s only gotten worse.
25 likes22:32
2 likesMan! Exurb1a got on trending before? Hell yeah the guy deserves that and more
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yeah came here for this he also wrote quality youtuber which (:
0 likesReal talk if YouTube shutting down is what it takes for things to change for the better then so be it. Here's hoping somewhere out there there's a place for people to flock to.
1 likemy favourite youtuber NerdCubed one of the first ones i ever watched his channel has died due to youtube drama around ads and stuff hes moved to twitch and is doing well but i miss the old days
0 likesi love how many pink floyd references there are in this video. fav band ever
0 likesi feel like every youtuber now adays just makes an attempt to put more editing into their videos than actual content, but fails, the templates for most content creators are the same. its all the same, theres nothing really "professional", yet every youtuber tries to act like they are a professional but they deny that they are amateurs, even if they just started youtube. just be yourself and make your own videos, you dont even need to put the time into editing much unless its something important. but as you mentioned, the people that have to get all of the subscribers all of the time are the unoriginal people that have no talent at all. talented people just get nothing, no support, barely any subs for today's standards, and if they do get support, its not much.
7 likesSame story, 3 years later. I would say hopefully it will get better soon, but we all kbow that won't happen.
1 like"Subscribe" gets so freaking annoying. I realized that a while ago. I think it's also a feedback loop, because newer youtubers think they need to say that at the end of their video b/c everyone does it. It's like the custom you have to follow
0 likesThey don't cite sources properly even when it seems they're trying. I've had OC (trends I fucking started) featured on KnowYourMeme as a featured meme down in the bottom gallery while someone who literally reposted my same shit on reddit got the credit for the trend. The timestamps are there with my OC posted before them, clear as day. Just one example. Fuck that site.
3 likesI hope someone makes a diffrent website that uses all the old stuff that made old YouTube great
0 likes"You should be asking people to unsubscribe!"
15 likesJmac: You called?
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There is a polish Youtuber that is called "Eleven" and he pleased the viewers to unsub his channel to make special.
0 likesEmerson, Lake, and Palmer.. I feel that.
0 likesI'm happy I at least have OneyPlays.. as long as I'm getting something from the dude
1 likeme when i see emplemon say the word spiral:
0 likes"OH OH HE SAID IT GUYS HE SAID THE WORD"
yt is a corporate wasteland with the same 5 recommended videos cycling endlessly. cant even find weird stuff, no way to
10 likesit's sad that you never see any comments saying "guess I'm on the weird part of youtube" anymore
5 likesThey essentially use their own popularity to scrub away independent creators from the public eye and use it to show more corporate stuff, at its core it's a good platform, I derive all of my entertainment from it after all, but it has several massive fucking problems that override the good things.
0 likesThe fact that this is still relevant 3 years later worries me...
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more than ever actually
1 likeGreat video man nice music taste too
1 likeThe most epic takedown of one's own audience outside of Twin Peaks The Return (as interpreted by Twin Perfect in that four 1\2 hour film studies course.)
0 likesI made a channel to adapt old comics into videos but I have no budget, just the love and a little voice acting and writing, and the comic pages themselves. I know I can't compete with bigger channels so I try to pick things I love but aren't very popular so my videos serve some purpose. The weirder the better, I know a lot of weird comics to cover as well as older superhero stuff that's just forgotten after 25 years. But I don't care about ever getting popular, only about doing work im proud of.
I honestly perfer old YouTube poop. It has more of that low fi DIY charm.
0 likesWe should revamp this for 2020 discussing the COPPApocalypse
1 likeEmplemon: YouTube is censoring independent journalism.
1 likeProceeds to show a picture of the founder of the Proud Boys.
(I know the Proud Boys became popular after the video came out, but that segment is now in bad taste due to the Proud Boys. However, the video is still very good.)
I miss it when gmod was still a thing
0 likes3 years later and YouTube downward spiral is still spiraling downward
0 likesWe need a 2020 version
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now we need a 2021 version.
0 likesthis is the ultimate showdown was the jam and still is- also guess I'll give up my hopes on being an animator
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I gave up on my dreams too not sure what to do now
0 likes@Arthricia Waybright you can be paid for that but only that animation is profitable now which sucks
0 likesAll of which makes me anxious
1 likeAt times unbearably so
#makeyoutubegreatagain
3 likesCreators should consider reposting on vimeo and other sites with no profit motive. It's the only way to build a grassroots, offsite community.
1 likeI really like this video but damn it killed allll my motivation to become a youtuber
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yeah, mine too..
0 likesThis video is a classic
2 likesthe site is so big now it is impossible to recapture that sense of popularity and effort again, and that is not their fault of course we were going to reach this era sometimes, I don't know, but admittedly they did fuck up the system a bunch.
1 likeI know youtubers have to follow some procedure to create videos that will be seen by people, but is there a way for us viewers to abuse likes, subscriptions, and searches to get more of the content we enjoy? (aside from obvious stuff like subscribing to people we like and liking videos we like)
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you've got a point, but as of now i dont really see a way to do that. we're gonna need everything we know about the algortihm and maybe even more
0 likesthis video made me delete about 20% of my likes that don't stand up as good to this day to prepare to unhide my liked videos playlist. turns out that youtube is going to delete that feature for some reason, so instead i made a new playlist about videos i like so it's going to still be visible to others. why would youtube remove unhidden liked videos? it's one of the only ways for creators to tell their viewers, "you should also check out this video", the other being featured channels and community posts
1 likeit also expresses the channel's interests and hobbies, so for example from my pseudo-like playlist you can see that i like sweet music and animations,
and that lilly is clearly best girl from katawa shoujoi love how much prog rock you use
0 likesOh you poor sweet thing. The reason why YouTubers tell their viewers to subscribe is because it works. Really well, actually. I'm seeing one YouTuber saying it almost doubles their audience engagement numbers compared to when they don't ask on a given video. It's basic psychology, man. It's not that users don't know that subscribing is an option, it's that users are more likely to do something if you ask them to then if you don't.
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This was in 2017, it wasn't as well known that it worked, it was just done because everyone did it
0 likesI remember this one YouTube video I watched back in the day that reminds me of Ori and blind forest.
0 likesNailed it.
1 likeKlay world for life!
0 likesAnd then you play double bass by Gorillaz!?! I think you just became my favorite channel
Emplemon scares me occasionally
1 like... Well said Emperor 👏
1 likeYouTube was NEVER corporate!
0 likesOh boy how much do I have to tell you this old man
YouTube has always been corporate if you check the corporate channels join dates its literally 2007 to 2010.
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Difference between pushing coporations and letting the faces of the platform become corporate shills instead of independent creators and allowing them on the platform
0 likes@Nukes during 2010 all lot of corpatrate channels were replacing individuals. Just go see Jimmy Kimmel and the late night shows who were big during early 2010s. Plus individuals still run the plaform.
0 likesMrbeast
Pewds
Danny gonzalez
Dude perfect
James charles
Lazerbeam
Dream
Georgenotfound
Theodd1sout
Youtube has really been getting comfortable with 2 non skippable ads lately
0 likesi was old enough to get the fallout of the content from 2007-2010
0 likes3 years later, and it's still getting worse
0 likesYo emp.. when life hands u u, make lemonade
0 likesSomeone please make a YouTube channel where they just review Facebook and it's controversy
0 likesI try and be a gaming channel in the sense of mkiceandfire long streams of games because that's all I can do and love the videos hope you can have fun with your current adventures in YouTube
0 likesThey should change the algorithm to watch percentage in order to help animators
0 likesI come from the future and oh boy it gets much much much worse you don't know the half of it
3 likesI remember being able to find related content based on the current video being watched. Now, my Autoplay is just a series of long videos i've watched through already. Speaking of which, why is there a two and a half hour video "Introduction to the Idea of God" in the related to this video!?? cuz its long?
1 likeAnd when i tell youtube "I'm not interested in this video, i've watched it already"" they go
"DON'T CARE! YOU WATCH AGAIN NOW!"
I'm just watching this, 3 years later and it's even worse now. Vomit inducing normie content. Which youtubers do you recommend for golden age type content?
0 likesBro the ultimate showdown was good
0 likesYou were given to me by the algorythm...
1 likeAnd now the Markiplier/Critikal censorship.
1 likeThe madness continues...
This video ages better every day
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every fucking day
0 likesStill does now.
0 likesHow would you react if someone said this to you why does your soul tastes so weird? That's just a fictional funny story I have
0 likesAnd Youtube removed community captions.
1 like24:50 EDDSWORLD the channel that made my childhood!
1 likeEdit:It’s near the lower right corner
man i remember watching charlie the unicorn and i believe it was llamas with hats and other animations like that
0 likes7:05 anyone know the name and origin of this song its familiar to me but I cant put my finger in it.
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@blare tv thanks
0 likesIsn't this also a product of cultural change driven by social media shifts?
0 likesfirst encountered youtube at 4. This site has gotten boring for a 16 year old whos already seen it all
3 likesAfter breakfast and uncle Dane I like this man
0 likesDumb down and pandering sounds like gaming lol
2 likesbruh, 49 minutes of good content? so cringe, why should i watch one long video when i could watch many ten minute ad swamped garbage videos?
3 likesand in 2020 i think that youtube allowed people to see the percentage of people subscribed or something, i don't really know because very, very few youtubers seem to use it
0 likes0:42 only watched Kill Bill due to this
1 likeanyone that disliked either impulse disliked, saw the runtime, or is another youtuber
1 likeLittle did he know...
2 likesI mean.. the excessive audio-cringe is quite the annoyance.. but i'm old.. liked the rawness of it all, though .. and the delightful irony..
1 likeBro your a fucking genius.
0 likesI have to admit: this is the video that got me into Prog-Rock. Dancing with the Moonlit Knight and Tarkus are now two of my favourite songs of all time, and I doubt I'd have ever even cared about a 10+ min song was it not by its masterful use in this already great video. Thanks for the great music, EmpLemon!
3 likes"Backgrounds by Oney and Shadman." Shadman? The hentai artist?
0 likesRest in Peace, kitty0706.
142 likesYou will never be forgotten.
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An actual god among men
10 likesA staple in the oldschool internet community, and honestly, an important message that even gods can die
13 likesand not like, fade out of popularity sort of dying, no, DYING from some real life factor and not being able to do things anymore. We're not talking about Leafyishere-type dying, we're talking about Abraham Lincoln's assasination-type dying. Sudden, and at the worst possible time
4 likesDer Player he was a great youtuber
0 likesDer Player what happened to him
0 likesHe died of Leukemia back in 2015, something he had been fighting for years and had seemed to be recovering from. It was incredibly tragic, R.I.P. kitty0706.
3 likesHell, a staple in my childhood
0 likesrest in peace indeed
0 likeskitty0706 died from terminal illness in the height of his youtube popularity. He made G-Mod animations that were wildly popular and heavily stylized back in the day. And his magnum opus, "Team Fabulous Two" was a 20 minute video of his art style in full creative bloom. Now it stands as a testament to an older age of creative content.
4 likesYoutube has become television. Just filled with unoriginal, uninteresting, and bland content. smh
16 likesytps are art lol
0 likes2017: YouTube’s been on a Downward Spiral!
366 likes2019: COPPA ruins everyone’s lives
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And so, Youtube has gone even deeper into the downward spiral..
27 likesActually coppa is a great opportunity for YouTube content to improve, since children are the ones new to the platform, unequipped to find good channels amongst the mediocre ones, so they end up watching mediocre videos aimed at kids. Coppa will force these channels out of viability, improving content quality overall.
24 likesOf course it's also possible that the whole thing ends up forcing creators to taylor their content more than ever before. Let's hope that doesn't happen.
Jan B. I’m probably sure it’s the latter
6 likesLet's block comments on all videos we find " Child Friendly"and disable miniplayer.
16 likes+PATFORMER
2 likesPeople were commenting pedophillic things on with videos tho
@Mergie Then maybe children shouldn't be using Youtube, and if they are, have it so that the kids can't view the comments. Also, just because a video looks pretty, such as Happy Tree Friends, doesn't mean that it is suitable for children. There has to be people that can check these types of videos, or else the themes present may affact them badly.
8 likesAnd it did almost nothing except cause a couple of minor inconveniences.
2 likesSam T Yup, this was before we figured out what it actually did
0 likes@Soshi The Yoshi And COPPA was a thing that YT was forced to implement by the government
1 likeAnd now Keem and H3H3 are taking away the only chances of income
0 likesJan B. yeah right
0 likeskids never sub to channels
2020: Laughing at how people thought coppa was going to be bad while being forced to stay at home
0 likes2020: Youtube's been in a much deeper Downward Spiral than Video Games and Youtube in 2017 combined, thanks to stupid sexy COPPA!
0 likes@dacreatif2 (The Local Maniac) COPPAS done nothing
0 likesThat's what they want you to think.
0 likes@Just a rat ripping a bong Well, I know exactly how to force YouTube to go back to its glory days again.
0 likes@Just a rat ripping a bong I am already doing it since about a day ago. YouTube's current algorithm is created, thanks to exploits from the old algorithm (Clickbaity videos), I am exploiting the current algorithm by putting on the same video, looping seemingly forever in many tabs while muted to generate watch time very quickly i.e. 600 hours watch time daily. That's how to go upwards in popularity if you're not popular yet. I would get several hundred people to do the exploit to reach a couple hundred thousand hours of watch time per day.
1 likeThom Tillis: Hold my awful lawful act...
0 likes@Mr. Mr Who's Thom Tillis?
0 likesHe works for the DMCA law and has set up one that anyone who uses copyrighted material in their media, either for commercial purposes or not, will get arrested. Search up DMCA law and you’ll see what I mean
0 likes@Mr. Mr What if I reach the diamond play button for one reason, to wake up all Youtubers to violate every guideline. That probably wouldn't happen.
0 likesAm simple viewer: I hear Karn Evil 9... I click like 😂 Edit: and then you delight me with some Tarkus!
1 likeIf I found a video sharing website, where smaller channels were promoted more, subscribers, comments and ratings actually mattered, you had to find videos and click on them with a mouse to watch them, the design was familiar and didn't change unless it improved the functionality of the website, people made creative, original content just for fun, and the main purpose was to be different and better than TV, I would be more than happy to switch to that website.
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Also, you can have a networking system similar to YouTube's. That way, people that like your content can go out and find your other channels as well as the other guys.
0 likesLewisMDesign What is it called?
1 likeJK. It surely seems like Vidme. I loved Vidme.
17 likesSolo Soy Jota I made an account on vidme, but now I'm confused cuz I'm new
1 likeYeah, its FORTUNATELY VIDME GO THERE NOW
0 likesI've heard some reports about Vidme having similar hate speech rules though. Just a word of warning, and I don't know whether it's true or not.
0 likesWhat if everybody who makes good content and people who watch and care about good content just up and left this website and let it rot in its own filth
1 likewell.... too bad
0 likesI started watching youtube for the same reason you did, I disliked tv but when I realized they where trying to become a shitty tv I mostly stopped watching youtube
42 likesBy the way thanks for speaking up for everyone
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The Green HYPERsphere because it willed it....
0 likesYouTube poops aren't popular anymore because YouTube has become the poop itself
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lol so fucking sad man. Stuff from the classical era.
21 likesYoshiThe1st True
5 likesHah
4 likesSad but true.
2 likesdestruction 100
2 likes@Dusk Raccoon I'd say Matt and leafy
0 likes@Dusk Raccoon I'd say it's thanks to the old media who targeted him
2 likesYou deserve all the subscribers in the world!!!!
11 likesComfortable ear rape in this bad boy
0 likesYup,I ain't a zombie
2 likesI'm 16 and I've been watching YouTube since it was "broadcast yourself" and people like Fred and annoying orange and chocolate rain and leave britney alone and all those other old stone age memes and youtubers were popular and when pewdiepie wasn't the top you tuber and he made amnesia videos. My mother introduced youtube to me, she's been watching YouTube for damn near its entire life a pan, and me and her still do to this day and its honestly so depressing to see what its evolved into. Jake Paul this and Jake Paul that. ______ Youtuber calls out ______ Youtuber for ________
52 likesDrama Drama Drama Drama Drama
Complain Complain Complain Complain
And no matter how far down the shitter this website goes it won't matter because we are still going to watch YouTube for those tiny rare moments that we actually find that one, good video to watch and enjoy.
And no matter how much we complain or makes videos about it. There's still gonna be drama, there's still gonna be shit content, but there is also still gonna be good (but rare) content.
And I dont think youtube is going ANYWHERE forever imo because no matter how shitty its turning, I still think it is the best website to entertain yourself with videos.
Oh and also dont hate on johnny test that was my shit back in the day 😤😤😤😤
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b r o n Same.
0 likesb r o n your profile picture scares me
0 likesSRRN L
0 likes16.
0 likesMargin of error.
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right I liked Jonny Test
0 likesSomeone please make a meme horror movie I will also make one
0 likesit really is scary to see how fast things have changed. how so many great YouTubers have faded away and been replaced with "advertiser friendly" / "business driven" content. I often find myself surprised when is see a channel that still has integrity on youtube and that shouldn't be the case at all. youtube is heading for a crash though after the adpocalyse and maybe once it does crash and all the fakes leave because there's nothing left for them here. maybe just maybe we will rebuild the viewer-base and creator-base of this site and see good content rise to the top once more. that's an unlikely hope but the alternative is that youtube continues its journey into TV like garbage and succeeds, killing off the reason they had a viewerbase, to begin with.
4 likessuch a great video, you've managed to put my rabbit hole metaphor for youtube miles better than i ever could.
14 likesIT'S ALL TRUE!
0 likescries in MillennialI feel ashamed that I’m on IFunny
0 likesAmazing video. I love that you can make interesting long form videos like this while still creating funny carefree content. Keep up the great work.
6 likesThe downward spiral is contagious it is spreading from one YouTuber to to whole site. We must get in our bunkers before it spreads to us
14 likesdamn i really want to be your friend
0 likesI'm gonna report this so YouTube has to watch all of it
1 likei think i should use someone else as background noise...
0 likesHoly shit, now I realized that I've become one of the zombies. Shit, from the Never Ever videos to this? Thanks for slapping my face right up. Now I remember that I used to watch those simple fan made movies. I used to watch those poops. I used to watch quality content. I guess there's only so much I can do now.
10 likesP.S.: You deserve more subs for this.
This is probably the greatest video I've ever seen on this garbage website. It's sad that we've come to this. Even though you said that nothing's gonna change, I believe there's a chance. We all need to openly criticize YouTube and Google at every opportunity we have. We need to let them know that we won't take this shit, that our creativity is being held back by a single corporation's lust for money. We should all make at least one video like this one on our channels, and then maybe we'll have some sort of fighting chance if we get enough people to argue for our cause. I may be talking out of my ass here, but I do believe that as more people are aware of the shit-tier algorithm of this once-great site, YouTube will be forced to make at least some changes.
11 likesGreat video l!!!!
1 likeYour use of progressive rock in this video has made me nothing but happy
5 likesgreetings from the future.
36 likesthe YOU in Youtube is dead.
even comments get vanished.
we have become our own gulag.
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@Rappa Kalja ?
6 likes@Petey Nutt You just proved my point, bud. See you in 2 months.
0 likes@Rappa Kalja All you did was say "UR PRIVILEGED".
0 likesLow effort bait, bgl
@Kurt Shame that you get so upset by simple facts.
0 likes@Rappa Kalja What facts?
0 likesDon't forget to subscribe.
2 likes2017 emplemon scares me
0 likesy'know, its really sad that talented youtube animators, such as jaltoid, egoraptor, and oney, quit animations, and start letsplays.
12 likesIts such a waste of talent
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Fork Guy i do enjoy oney's lets play videos immensely, but the fact that it is his primary source of views and income now is kinda sad.
2 likesIts not a spiral its just a fall straight down
1 likeLets all be honest, At this point EmpLemon has one of the most powerful voices of Youtube in my opinion. Everybody should hear his voice and be inspired.
3 likesJust so you know. I am an advanced Normie, I get involved before the horde of normies join ..... Am I am here ..
0 likesI'm thinking my 11 years of search history keeps me from seeing most of this nonsense you described.
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Wish I had 11 years of search history I used youtube since around 2009 and I didn't make a channel until around 2016 terrible fucking mistake
2 likesspread this like a damn wildfire especially with Youtubes new updated algorithm that now blacklists any video featuring a gun (so almost every lets play) and now FUCKING SWEARING. Not excessive swearing, now ALL SWEARING. Seriously FUCK Youtube trying to force PC content
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MR. Bucket YouTube is trying to appeal to advertisers so they can make more money and have a stable business. But when they do that people are mad since they won't be making any money so they get mad. It's a lose lose situation for Youtube
0 likesYouTube is trying to be like the old days, where even the MOST EXTREME CONTENT THAT WOULD'VE PASSED ON JETIX is not advertiser friendly.
0 likesIt has gotten to a point where even pewdiepie, yes PEWDIEPIE is editing out swearing in his videos.
2 likesi didn't sub to anyone new in 3 years, last one was EmpLemon
0 likeswhen i was younger i wanted to make ytps but after i saw how hopless the art form was i just gave up halfway through on my unfinished ytp and stopped watching ytps. but i love ur channel
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too cringey That's true ;(
0 likestoo cringey
0 likesI didn't know you could make videos private..
Deleted a video of my dumb self dancing in front of the webcam.
I fucking hate myself
Why I gave up on my dreams
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Yeah... Same ...
0 likesI relate with you 100% I have been on this site since 2008 and understand everything you say.
19 likesThis is still very relevant. Great job as always emp!
20 likesThis is a wonderful video and I can totally agree with you. I've watched the whole video and it gave me nostalgic feelings due to what I use to truly love; YouTube poop. I hope the message spreads all over and maybe there will be a glimpse a hope, an open hole through the tunnel of this dark icky mess, we will achieve what we want YouTube and everyone to be; creative, original and inspired. This same guide on taking advantage on YouTube's algorithm will die out soon like a candle, so I know that YouTube might return to its bright golden years where everyone can broadcast themselves!
7 likesBehind the meme is memes nowndays just lame and cringe
4 likesAlmost 3 years later and this has aged like wine
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4 years now
1 likeMan this video is so Amazing,it May be hands down the Best video I have seen on this website.
4 likesI never tought a video could be so interesting,explicative,informing and entertaining as this video was.
Good job emplemon, really good job.
It only just clicked in my head who you were.. Was subbed to you on an old account I haven't touched in year.
16 likesTime to fix this issue.
Also, this old YTP OST is filling me with nostalgia.
Brave New YouTube
0 likesI Remember seeing this way back when and thought that this was your last video, just because of how much effort and passion you had in it; although I’m very happy that wasn’t the case.
8 likesCharmx has 1mil sub. We lost boys
0 likesI'm younger than you, and I've watched an 80 minute video all the way through. Your long videos also keep my attention. That is the sign of a good video, like a good video game; something that can keep you entertained all the way through.
6 likesWhen I was (really) little, all I watched was people putting their game consoles in the microwave...
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ZXKW me too when I was younger i remember watching some video called "how to turn your ps2 into a PS3" and it was just some random guy putting his ps2 in a washing machine and putting a cut out number 3 on it then closing it opening it and it was a PS3 instead obviously fake but it was hilarious at the time
1 likego watch tier zoo you might get a breath of fresh air
0 likesive man watching youtube since 2008 and i could saw its getting bad a little maybe.............................................what am i even saying
0 likesI remember before, to watch a video i just had to go to the subscription tab. Now i dont use it at all, just being trapped knto the algorithm
0 likesI wrote this 2 minutes before you talked about this
I remember seeing my firsts memes on Flipnote DS
0 likesIt's sad that many people won't watch half of this video because "it's too long"
407 likesedit: how tf i got more than 2 likes
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Leozin DaTs WhAT ShE sAiD
5 likesDAT NINJA DUD
14 likesdEaD mEmE
I've watched this video like 2 times now, trying to do my part
4 likesLeozin Exactly! If people can sit through an hour of Game ofThrones every week, I'm sure they have the time to watch this, or even listen to it while doing something (I know GoT is a series with an ongoing plot and this is just someone talking about YouTube, but for this at least it's fully scripted and well done/thought out content)
8 likesJwkl vs the Universe Game Of Thrones is overrated.
4 likesJust a low attention span because they're twelve.
3 likesThe attention span of a YouTube zombie has rapidly slowed down and de-graded to the point no one will actually watch the entirety of this video. I'm sad that this is what YouTube has become. I'm not going to be one of those stupid people who are like "DUDE THERE'S THIS SITE THAT'S SIMILAR TO THE OLD YOUTUBE COME JOIN [insert alternative video site here] PLEASE WE'RE DESPERATE" because that'll just make yourself look pretentious and stupid. Everyone has turned into mindless filth. They'll watch anything on the site because it's on a site that more people use every day. We can not do a single thing about it and we'll have to deal with it until YouTube crashes into a wall and then we have to find something else to get popular with. And to those people who actually read this entire comment, do NOT try to pander to anyone of your fans or anyone that forces you to do this specific thing, just do your own thing and never let them ruin your life and your content.
4 likesLeozin I watched the entire video
1 likeLeozin, you know how EmpLemon ragged on about normies just consuming the video mindlessly? Well I kinda apply that same method to his videos whenever I have too much time so that I can be interested without having to force myself to.
3 likesAllanbuzzy, you're right. YouTube has become too big for migration. Abandoning YouTube will mean abandoning years worth of amazing content that's been built over the years, chances for true fame and maybe even splitting apart from an entire community. In 2016, there was basically a crash for YouTube for a while and everyone was panicking, but without the community, the whole platform of video sharing would've died.
3 likesIf we could easily just migrate to a new website, then why don't we? It's because YouTube has been a massive pillar too many people are proud of building. We can't just destroy it and make a new one. YouTube holds too much content for that to just happen. We just need to ask everyone else to fix it.
Why should I keep watching if it doesn't entertain me
3 likesI gotta admit i treated this vid like that to, but thats because i was taking a half time break from pornhub
1 likeArchieGamez I don't even watch it tbh, seems a little overhyped
0 likesJwkl vs the Universe I suggest wathcing it, i'm sure you will be interested
2 likesLeozin I've been a little interested before, might try it at some point (at least the first several episodes lol)
0 likes27:51 what’s that nascar guys name?
0 likes17:16-17:18
1 like22:53-22:56
26:09-26:10
Ugh, list videos... I don't understand the popularity, they are so dismally shallow and predictable that, if it's a list, I'm not interested in even looking at it. That goes for any web page, not just youtube or even videos. If your article is titled as a list of any kind, I have to assume it's worthless clickbait. Even if it's not, I'll never know, because you warned me off by making it a list, which is inherently subjective anyway by definition. What do I care what WatchMojo thinks is the Top Ten Whatever? Even if I did care, I can't endure the gratingly vanilla pseudoseductive narration voice anyway. Whatever is the big enjoyment in viewing WatchMojo lists will forever remain an enigma to me.
2 likesAfter too long watching annoyingly safe, dumbed down content, I come back to this video
53 likesmy search results are nothing but Irrelevant mainstream media vids.. YT makes no sense
1 likeLessss go I’m not a zombie
0 likesThe age of edgy content is over, the rise of the shitpost status has begun
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@ayy lmao you don't have to attack me in front of everyone
0 likesCries
Contents gotten worse because YouTube started paying people
1 likeEmp, I started watching you from Cars poops, and I've been on YouTube since 2006, and the days of Super Mario Bros. plush vids and Mario 64 youtubers like Fleshjherkta, ehh, whatever his name was, and all I can say is that you are both wrong and right. While the quality of videos in general as well as yours has gone down, it's still possible to find things you like. Search for things you want, click on what looks good, ignore what looks bad. It's simple.
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He's talking about the gullible minds that don't know what a search bar is
6 likesThe saddest part is that nothing has changed. In terms of the Smash community, I’ve seen bland channels like Introspektive, Alpharad, Aaronitmar, etc. rise to huge popularity and act all smug because of how popular they are. Even though they make some boring, bland content that anyone can make. It pisses me off seeing how a game that is celebrating so much gaming history is being represented with these fucking guys, seriously if quality was a big factor again on Youtube, these guys would be absolutely DESTROYED and left in the dust by actually talented and passionate creators.
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i still remember when alpharad uploaded interesting content, not the best but still genuinely interesting. now he's just another guy in my sub box who i keep for the chance that he uploads something interesting
1 likeI mean atleast intro brought some people to smash
0 likestrack id at 26:55 ??
0 likesLuckily you created Never Ever and it has undoubtedly been the best content you have ever put out. It took time to get to this point, but you finally found your niche and I look forward to every new video you put out because no one else delivers narratives or has masterful editing skills like the Emp!
3 likesI made it to the end of the video and hearing EmpLemon rant with such passion and fury to inspire and inform even the laziest of viewers. When I heard him tell me to watch those who inspire and empower me. Watch those who will produce content worth watching. Watch those who didn't succumb to the horrible algorithm. This man with those very inspiring words has earned himself a subscriber that will stay for a long, long time. And hopefully, many others.
4 likesI know this video was made three years ago but DAMN, it still holds up to this day. Youtube is still a huge mess, and it's my personal belief that if people were to actually take the time to watch this video from start to end, from zero seconds to 49 minutes, YouTube would be a MUCH better site than it is now.
This is the video that made me stay with Emp and it's still my favorite video.
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same
2 likesI just ran into your channel and feel compelled to say your content is brilliant and I’ve never felt more understood. The music taste. The memes. Dunkey. The Macintosh ad. You truly cut through the shit. Thank you.
4 likesyou will, in my heart, always be a hero to me.
19 likesim not joking.
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Same
0 likesIf I could like a video more than once, I would do that here. I’ve actually had the same observations here and I haven’t even been on youtube for that long, only 5 years, yet I’ve noticed how corporate and just terrible a lot of things have become. Its not about fun or quality anymore, its about advertising and racking views and subs. I honestly love this video as I’ve thought about this for a while yet haven’t seen a lot of people talking about it so when I watched this I was ecstatic to see someone shared the same views as I did. Nothing was even softened down or lightened, this was genuine and I enjoy that. I really wish Youtube would become YOUtube again and not just whatever it is now.
1 likeBruh, I have ADHD, and I sit through long videos all the time. In fact I enjoy though the most, because it has to be GOOD for me to watch it. So, if it has heart and effort in it. Then it shouldn't have to be 10 minutes or less.
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Same I have ADHD too were bros
8 likesYoo ADHD gang
8 likesI have it too, but I’m not gonna be bragging about my mental disorder. Stop trying to be hip and cool
5 likes@give me your fukin cookies whine harder
5 likesADHD GANG
1 like@give me your fukin cookies damn didn't know trying to connect to people similar to you who you don't meet often outside the internet was trying to be cool and hip
6 likesYou know EmpLemon, the way you talk about old youtube makes me happy that I put most of my creative efforts into fanfiction, because I've noticed a lot of parallels between old youtube and ff.net
2 likes1. Rags to Riches (Not money-wise, but popularity-wise, easily possible)
2. Exceptional people could excel (yup.)
3. Curiosity and Discovery (Anybody who stays on ff for long will tell you how hard it is to find a good, original fic, but they use the same methods you mentioned, following and faving a person who wrote a story you liked, checking out THAT person's favorites, wading through crap tons of weird, bad, or unusual stuff, and so on)
4. Animation Excellence (Um... not really equivalent. Most writing sucks on ff. But hey, that just makes the well-written gems stand out that much more.)
5. Personal Personalities (Most ff writers just speak their mind in their Author's Notes if they're talkative, or let the story speak for itself. Again, not really equivalent.)
6. Creativity and Originality (*sighs* Maybe I was a bit over-eager to make this comparison. But then again, I'm sure old youtube had plenty of unoriginal content as well. Still, the most popular things are usually both creative and original.)
7. The ultimate television alternative (or in ff's case, the ultimate published book alternative. No ten bucks per book, no barrier to entry, can be used anywhere with an internet connection, you get what's there, you can do it yourself, and you can easily interact with your favorite content creators.)
And since I don't see fanfiction going corporate any time soon (or ever, really), I don't have to worry about any downward spirals in the near future. Thanks for helping me realize I've set my sights on the right heights. Unsubscribed.
At the time I didn’t realize how much worse it could get
7 likesThis video is still going to be relevant for as long as YouTube's alive
32 likesI remember finding someone with 3k subs and their content was so good sad to see their gone now beacause of the change
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Who were they?
0 likesI appreciate how passionate and caring you are about the platform, but the video comes of as bitter and hateful to the whole YouTube audience for them not doing what you want them to do. This whole thing has happened simply because Youtube has gotten more popular and attracted more people, it just isn't niche anymore obviously. I sorta see a comparison to be made with politicians and Youtubers: say things and make content that can appease as many people as possible without making enemies. But asking people to change because you just don't like how it's going and your utopia of Youtube has changed just seems self-centered and missing the point that people are putting out these videos because they work, don't hate the players hate the game. And there isn't much Youtube can do except give people what they want.
8 likesGod 3 years later and he couldn't possibly be prepared for what's happened to YouTube
9 likesI dunno how exactly I feel about this in 2020. I really loved his style a few years back but maybe I’ve just taken a step back from this site for a few years and I’ve loved his new take on YouTube videos as of late. But it’s weird seeing him so heated and pissed off in retrospect but YouTube still sucks, just in different ways.
1 likeThere's an essay by Linds Redding called "A Short Lesson in Perspective," which was written a few months before he died of cancer, aged 52. In it, he details the golden age of working in advertising, and then it became far more work and less creative. Sounds just like YouTube.
5 likesI appreciate your honesty and being genuine
1 likeTruly this man deserves more
2 likesI really love your use of music in most of your videos. Achilles worked really well with the mood of the video.
0 likesyoutube is just like the stupid RAID: SHADOW LEGENDS sponsorships all over the website. annoying, unskippable, and in the way of the content you want.
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And missleading too
6 likesI bet you havent played raid shadow legends but i have and let me tell ya
Its boring and they constantly try to get you to buy there shitty in game currency
Emp is real pissed I have never seen him this pissed but what he said is true.
14 likesWell shit, I legitimately feel bad for the YouTuber pandering section. Thanks for this video EmpLemon, I came for the jokes. But alot of what you said makes me want to rethink alot of what I thought. Thank You
0 likesI feel you, I fondly remember the old days of abridged dubs and anime rips. But to me Youtube has simply become too big, too broad, and too unwieldy to manage. All of what is said is a consequence of YouTube being beyond mainstream.
0 likesI'm around the median age of 15, and I definitely am not okay with watching those low effort videos and am perfectly fine, maybe even like more than normal, watching long videos on things like this.
0 likesFun Fact: the downward spiral part is actually the infamous endless staircase from Super Mario 64
1 likeThe word normie is used so often that even when i hear it used in an acceptable context i recoil and picture a neckbeard rick and morty fan slapping a keyboard with his ten greasy, cheeto dust drenched hot dog fingers.
45 likesApparently you dig Emerson Lake & Palmer, and Edgar Winter.... you got my 'vote'.
1 likeYou're giving breath to my thoughts. Thanks Emperor. Long may you reign.
2 likesYou know, I’m going to make a list tomorrow of what should be changed about YouTube to both bring it back to glory, and protect everyone from others malicious attempts properly.
0 likesThe fact that this is 3 years old and still accurate is terrifying for this platform.
0 likesYouTube creators who are actually good don't get enough credit for their research and diligence. People often don't even regard YouTube as a legitimate source for information and opinion.
0 likesI beg to differ, in a world with so many bought out corporate drivel in our newspapers and tv shows. It's refreshing to hear from a good ol' average Joe YouTuber with great reporting skills and unique production quality. YouTubers might not be experts, but their perspectives are more grounded. Even so you can still find many qualified experts on here if you know where to look.
I think there is still a bit of the sense of the Wild West on YouTube, not nearly as much as it used to for sure, but the good and hard working content creators here aren't in it for money, they're in it because they want to express themselves.
That has been gutted pretty bad sure, but I like to think that there is still a unique, and more human touch to content on here that keeps us coming back
I first looked at this site in 2011, and even though I’m not on this site the longest like 2005, I can still tell YouTube has gone down a downward spiral.
0 likesAnd then youtube saw the video and decided to change their ways. And everyone lived happily ever after.
4 likesIt seems you've forgot how old youtube looked, and calling youtube poops "high effort" is... brave
0 likesI use to always watch YouTube now it's hard siphoning through all the forced bs and ads not to mention the things smaller content creators have to go through. It use to feel like a free frontier, even with all the Rick rolls and poorly edited videos now it's reactions of reactions and tiktoks pretending to be youtube.
0 likesThis man might run for president or something... after all, his speeches are unparalleled by anything i've ever heard before...
1 likeThe acid test for great content is if you would want to watch it again in a couple of years time.
0 likesI keep thinking about how much of what I see is kind of disposable - designed to be viewed once, at the time, and then forgotten by viewer and creator alike. But this stuff isn't actually "disposed" of, it just sits here like landfill and we wade amongst it.
But everyone has a few of those special channels that they're subscribed to (no one had to ask them) - the ones where you have to be patient. You wont get an upload every week, maybe not every month, perhaps only a few videos per year - but they're GOOD!! It's worth the wait and you want more (but you know quality means production time so...) You can live with the filler - so long as you get one of these every now and again.
I just wish YouTube was better incentivised toward helping these creators out. Because if they crawl out of the trashpile and go elsewhere - I'm going with them...
Thank you, that seems like a really good point, I will do my best to help YouTube better!
1 likeLooking back YouTube’s single biggest mistake was making a system that favors creators with more uploads. Like who comes up with that. Have they never been told that quality is better than quantity.
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Spread the word, let's move to VidLii. That place is literally old youtube.
1 likeYou are truly the emperor of lemon great video keep it up
1 likeEvery time I hear "downward spiral" or see that green and purple spiral in other places I can hear it ringing in my head, over and over again for a couple minutes, "downward spiral"
0 likesThis video ruined me
As someone that watched all the way through, I agree
1 likeStill watching this from start to finish on occasion. I'd love to hear you shit on Guinness for being on a downward spiral too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIbeF0bf1Gk
1 likeI miss old YouTube, I'd much rather go back to watching Zelda cdi and hotel Mario ytps than the diarrhea this site gives us nowadays. At least those videos were always creative and reflected their creator's real personalities.
2 likesI really felt the alternative to TV part. When I first got into YouTube it was because ninjago was on hiatus between season 1 and 2 and I would watch Lego stop motion animations and it was cash
0 likesYou could have showed me the claymation stuff and told me it was from Aardman and I would have believed you.
0 likesCan you say a modern YouTube channel's stuff could pass as a professional product? To quote Elastigirl, "I don't think so... I don't think so."
When you found EmpLemon through the algorithm.
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When you found emplemon because of his decade old ytps
3 likes@Doom58 Speaking of ytp. Had never heard of “Sky Had a Weegee” so I looked it up.
0 likesI’d have to disagree with him on that one, I enjoyed it.
Meanwhile emp has gained so many subs and Behind the meme still has about 800k, never ever will we have another emp lemon
0 likesEmp: “stop hating youtube poops and saying the old videos were better!”
1 likeAlso Emp: hates YouTube and says the old videos were better
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No it's not about that. The old popular content was better. There are still Videos as good as back then or some are even better but the problem is that the stupid algorithm doesn't anyone let them see it
4 likesI watched the whole thing twice. Astounding.
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3 times! Get on my level n00b!
0 likes😜 (is this how the current YT demographic is talking?)
This is far too relevant to be not taken seriously. As someone who was thinking of trying to make it big in YouTube, I have done some research after seeing this video, and it all matches up. thank you for enlightening me on this subject and helping me not waste part of my life struggling against a dying system
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I always wanted to be a awesome content creator too but now that dream is dead along with all my other dreams with being in the entertainment industry
0 likes‘The Algorithm’ and ‘Shit Show’ are now synonymous with each other
15 likesIt really makes you Feel like a downward spiral
0 likesThat’s funny to me because I almost only watch long videos. If I click on a video and it’s like 10 minutes I go ”man, is it even worth watching?”
0 likesI run out of good content pretty quickly though, but that’s probably good since that makes me waste less time here.
Watching this after the Leafy ban. God this website has fallen. Emp is one of the last true youtubers in my opinion.
2 likesIts ironic how the subscriber shoutout has comeback but in a different way. Youtubers now use the statistic of % of watchers who are subscribe to rise monumentally. Dream is the greatest example of that. Using the couple shootouts he had he used great skill and design to make an empire of over 2 mil in 6 months
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Over 10 mil*
0 likesGreat content man!
0 likesCongrats on 610K
Still relevant, I've been regularly watching youtube since around 2015 and I've regularly watched channels like Internet Historian, Whang!, Fredrik Knudsen and Lemmino for most of that time, but was never recommended this one until a few days ago.
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Honestly even then I'm tired of those channels back then other videos existed that weren't commentary
0 likesDoes anyone else kind of despise the idea of a YouTube channel being a job? Ever since I was young I always saw YouTube videos as a thing to do for fun, but ever since ad revenue was incorporated, videos have increasingly been designed with the intent of making money rather than to be creative.
1 likeDo you think BitChute will be the one to take out YouTube given time? They're "Website focused on user voice over ad revenue as a competitor to YouTube" #328 but they seem to be going steady.
2 likesYou can even keep the "poop" nomenclature, just call them PoopChutes.
Absolutely incredible video.
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Yep.
1 likeman when remembering a youtubers nickname was a big deal
1 likeYoutube is basically sonic cd
2 likesPast is when youtube had few content. Or that one zoo video
Present was old youtube, where there was a lot of good content, Honest youtubers, etc. Though it wasn't all great, it was a simpler time
Bad future Is youtube today, or new youtube, where the good times that old youtube gave dried up after many things that have shook youtube hard.
The good future youtube doesn't exist. Since youtube has no good future from the looks of it.
Downward spiral of YouTube is similar to the settlement and taming of the wild west in terms of emotions.
0 likesThis is the best motivational video i've seen.
0 likesi havent been on yt long, but ive seen clay world, and tbh, its great. it got recommended to me once and been watching it ever since
0 likesThe first video of yours I saw was "The Quest for the Blue Check Mark", and that was posted yesterday (7/2/2020). After a few videos, I see "there will Never Ever be another Melee player like Hungrybox", which talked about Smash Melee and the FCG. Then I see this which mentions that Reaction Videos at their heart are soulless cash grabs and attempts to stand on the shoulders of others' YT Videos. I then immediately see Armada (From the Hubgrybox Video) Reacting to your video on my recommendeds. Unfortunately, I cannot heed your advice at the moment, and am going to watch said video.
1 likeWe need storyfire to succeed to show youtube it needs to improve.
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@H3H3 Hypocrite good point gamer
1 likeidk where i commented about how bad youtube ads have gotten but its been several months since then and i just feel like i get tv-style ads its so bad. then i actually watched tv for a moment and i remembered how long those ads were and i'm not sure wether those are worse or more frequent shorter ones on youtube are.
1 likeEDIT: Youtube ads are at the point where they now have just ads for shows on TV pretty often, at least in Aus, and I'd be really curious to know if its the same in America
Secondly, I have come to the conclusion of TV ads being worse, the long stretches interrupting other stretches of actual content are much more distracting and difficult to tune out. At least YouTube ads I honestly get numb to.
4:58 yo, we got some Electric Lights Orchestra shit in here
0 likesThis was inadvertently a course on how to be successful on YouTube
0 likesBest 49 minutes ever.
3 likesTMNT song had me jumping I played the shit outta that game back in the day
0 likesMan... old youtube... downloading low quality music to convert to mp3 after swearing to never touch limewire again, damn I miss the old times.
0 likesyour statement is very convincing I shall now go through my subscription list and unsub to all the bad creators
0 likesC’mon man, Behind the meme has to play that royalty free song every video it’s high quality
0 likesThe days of touhou and minecraft songs were great, after 2012 it slowy declined.
1 likeneeds an update for 2020.
3 likesIt's been 3 years and this is still the same
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Its been this way since 2014. Some say since 2012 but I didn't notice much until 2015
0 likes3 years later... and it still isn't outdated.
1 likeEMPlemon is scary when he’s angry
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I always told them, “Don't ever make EmpLemon angry. You wouldn’t like him when he’s angry.”
1 likeWelp, time to weed out my subscriptions list.
0 likesGreat video
I know you probably won't see this, Emp, but please can you upload the Downward Spiral vortex meme template in high quality so I can use it for a video?
0 likesAchilles Last Stand at the end hit me
0 likesGood to know we've advanced in the ast few years. Weve added video essay to the list of youtube skill treez. Up to 4 people!
0 likesI know it's like a small thing, but nobody does earrape better than EmpLemon
0 likesEver since that video with that guy at the zoo, this website has been on a downward spiral.
0 likesBehind the meme done right is the channel lessons in meme culture
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Yeah - it was made after the video
0 likesDude its not that serious. If people think thats what it is, laugh, embrace, prove wrong. YTPs are iconic for spaghetti dinner as gen 1 is for pokemon. You cant fault anyone for that but try to introduce them to how the medium has changed.
0 likes37:33 is Achillies' last stand by Led Zep
0 likesOne of the gaming classics of YT is Chuggaaconroy
1 likeThe Algorithm has taken a more downward spiral of hot garbage don’t you agree?
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yep.
0 likesi would say commentary and gameplay videos take infinately more effort the a 5 minute list video rating nothing. Atleast with commentary and gameplay you can actually be interesting instead of making "top ten most poisonous foods" or "top ten strongest anime characters" for the 100,000th time
0 likesSeneca thought we take too much time worrying about trivial issues.
0 likesWhat would he have thought of commentary channels?
This aged like a wine
1 likeNow That Its 2020, Unlike The Year Where I Know The Rest Is Gonna Be Shitty ,IDK If Its Coming Back (Unlikely) Or Still Going Down (Likely)
0 likesok imma be honest, i agree with everything he says here, but tierzoo is a super new channel that got famous INSTANTLY, but it’s just because the right people found and appreciated him. he just got lucky...
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A year late to this, but if I remember correctly it's also because he had a decent following on Tiktok already as well.
0 likesI saw daft punk's discovery, and now I'm happy.
0 likeswhy does the volume change!!!!! FFS!!! THIS GRINDS MY GEARS!!!
0 likes*EmpLemon complaining about people complaining how long his videos are*: REEEEEEEE
0 likes*me who watched both EmpLemon's, and Armada's review of the HBox documentary*: These are some good cheezits
yo did anyone else want emp to move outta the way so we could watch the videos in the background
0 likesJacksfilms be there taking one hour of trailers and getting featured on trending with fidget spinners hell yeah
0 likes"poops nowadays are better than they have ever been"-Emplemon-
0 likesIs that the Tracer vs Scout instrumental? No wait- It's Mercy vs Medic
0 likes33:35 Wait... why isn't Homer green?
1 likeAchilles Last Stand was an inspired music choice
0 likesIm watching this July 2020 and it make me drowning in my own tears. 😭
0 likesJUST REALIZE I WAS A ZOMBIES WATCHING DIGITAL TV. 👨💻
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Wow. Just wow.
0 likesI spent 15 alone minutes trying to find a video so I could eat my Doritos and watch,
0 likesThe mainstream content on YT is boring, simplistic, braindead and short, thats why i dont fucking watch that kind of "content", cant even call it that way, is more like filler for adds. I like long/medium length original and creative shit, bonus points for moderate toxicity. Unique channels are always going to be a thing, bcz there are ppl like me and pretty much everyone in this comment feed that enjoy that kind of actual content
3 likesWe gotta spam this video to the CEO.
3 likes21:10 I shared my channel with a few friends and they clodnt find the power to press the videos tab in my channel page so they think I've only made like 2 videos, but I have literal hundreds of streams and cats that no one, not even the people I know are definitely going onto my channel page, can find them, those two extra clicks really changed how well you can find a channels videos.
0 likesAs of june 21, 2020 i think this is my 3rd or 4th time watching.
1 likeoh my fucking god.. this video is 11 minutes or more! I'm not gonna check because I am a brainlet who watched tv before thinking that a 3d intro was necessary, and i don't have enough brain cells to click the subscription tab and see content i want to enjoy! i am going to watch this channel i dont like more, too because the blessed a l g o r i t h m has placed this within my click zone, upon autoplay.
2 likesin all seriousness, though, EmpLemon this is one of my favorite videos you have made, and I love watching your lengthy content. Keep on going, my guy.
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Too bad he became the thing he was against
1 likeThis video is somehow monetized nice!
0 likesYoutube is only good for watching videos about how to fix your vehicle or build things. Im not much for the interwebs other than that.
0 likesAnyone know the origin of the clip in the background at 46:06 ?
0 likesI HAVE SEEN SOME OF THEM and it's 100% bizzare
0 likesI miss animations
1 likeSlight aside, I see you comment on Vsause a lot, and while Micheal did create some great content, most of it was a little bit clickbaity and he didn't seem like an expert on anything he talked about. To make matters worse, he switched all his content to Youtube Red so people can't watch it without paying. Not trying to hate, just saying :P
0 likesEmp was very edgy back then lol
0 likesBut Raycons are really great, right?
0 likesthis video was suggested to me by THE ALGORITHM>>>
1 like16:51 what song is that, i swear i've tried to find, i heard it so many times, i hate my brain
0 likesYT be like: I hurt myself today. To see if i still feel
0 likesand it only got worse...
4 likesI wonder how many people watched all of this
1 likeI'm glad this video exists
0 likes46:05 yup it's about time i purge my subscription box
0 likesI want to be an animator on YouTube... but sadly me making Ramen Noodles gets more views.
2 likesWell, while I don't like btm saying his videos are bad because he's "just doing something" well that's kinda what history is, granted, history YouTubers usually do animation but what are you going to do with memes, other than showing what it is and giving a summarized of its history, "just doing something" doesn't mean laziness, consistently doing shitty research is either laziness or a bad reaserch system
0 likesHaving said that I'm going to stop watching the video of an old beef between a channel I don't care about and a memer of a subgenre of memes I don't care about
I love this video but it does make me sad that I'm making videos now instead of ten years ago
0 likesI wonder how many people actually listened to this video
0 likesThey have recently gotten rid of custom captions aswell.
0 likesi used to watch youtube when i was 4
1 likenot many memeories but i only watched nursery rhymes so...
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Too be fair you were 4 lol
1 likeI love the channel and I'm born in the year 2006
0 likesAnyone else relized that they should find smaller channels
2 likesYeah, I used to make Youtube Poop but I stopped because people take them for granted,
6 likesso instead of giving up, i turned to my hobby and that's what i do now.
All I can say is, do something you love doing, don't expect much, and good luck with your channels :)
God talking about the golden days of YouTube animation really got me nostalgic. There’s still a lot of quality, artistic content being made but you gotta go out of your way for it
3 likesOpening and YTP Resolutions: 0:00 - 6:47
40 likesThe Subject at Hand: 7:32 - 9:11
9:11 Greatness > Ungodly 16:51
9:14 Rags to Riches > Rags to Rags 17:11
10:13 Exceptional People Could Excel > Exceptional People Are Ignored 18:32
11:02 Curiosity and Discovery > Constraints and Delivery 20:30
12:07 Animation Excellence > Animation Extinction 23:02
13:06 Personal Personalities > Corporate Corporations 25:57
14:22 Creativity and Originality > Cloning and Oversaturation 31:05
15:17 The Ultimate TV Alternative > The Ultimate TV Copycat, and Everything Else 37:28
16:30 The Shift From Great To Godawful
46:51 The New Awakening of YTPs
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IdioticReborn pin this emp lemon
2 likesEmp you should watch hazbin hotel it is long but good
0 likesHow do I double like a video?
0 likesfunny enough, I found this video in my home section. I don't know if it was because I've been watching strange videos lately but I decided to watch it, the WHOLE 49 MINUTES, simply because the majority of people already know that youtube is seriously in a bad state at the moment. honestly this is one of the best videos I've watched in months, very thorough and pretty funny at times too, it kept me watching the whole time.
5 likesanyway... I like watching what most people call "weird" videos so all my (irl) friends think I'm strange or crazy for liking content like that, which is fine but the content creators behind those "weird" videos have such creative minds. people in the comments come up with theories and meanings that actually make sense so it's incredible when you think about it. the general audience just doesn't get it because it's wacky, not in the norm, and doesn't fit their normal standards of a video, or what was called "the algorithm." for example, last year I discovered a strange looking animation on my explore feed on IG and was curious as to what it was called, I found the name of the video and looked it up on YT, and it turns out it was a pretty popular video at one time during 2013, but I never knew about it, hmm I wonder why... alright, so I watched the video and LAUGHED bc that's just my sense of humor, anything strange looking to me is immediately funny. I watched the vid several other times, laughing occasionally. keep in mind that the animation is around 1 minute long. as a viewer, I thought the animation was strange and funny so I checked out the creator's channel. it turns out that 1 minute clip was also from a series the creator had made around the same time, so I decided to watch the whole series that same day... and I was amazed, what I watched was quality youtube content, just casual creative content. I checked out the other series the creator had made and I instantly got HOOKED. other people were saying great stuff about this guy's content so I didn't feel alone. now when I watch this 1 minute animation, I can't even laugh at it (unless I show it to my friends because they don't even know what I'm watching and I find it hilarious that they're watching something they wouldn't normally watch) because I took the creator's content seriously. I've long since subscribed to him and admire his work, and I get very excited whenever he uploads a new creation every few months. I'm glad.
anyway, the whole point of my huge paragraph is that you don't have to be that one kid who insults a creator's work because it's "weird" and not in the norm, always commenting "CRINGE" or "what the hell did I just watch" and that you can be someone who will eventually admire a creator's work because you took the time to understand their style of production and creativity. hey, even a fan from the guy's channel said his work reminded him of what youtube used to be like, and how it should be. even now, it's hard for me to find videos I'd want to watch because the content is same as any other person. I usually watch a few seconds of a video, find out how it's gonna turn out to be like by reading the comments, and just stop watching the video. for now, my favorite thing to do is spend maybe an hour reading youtube comment threads, the results can be outstanding. oh, and if you can guess the channel I was talking about, you're pretty cool too.
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мegaмii tha nks
0 likesMan, EmpLemon did a good job on this one. I also like how he put Easter Eggs all over this video! Gotta catch 'em all!
4 likesHe
174 likesTold
Me
The
Truth
When
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You know what I like? Good YouTubers like you and a few other YouTubers. YouTube can change, but it will take some time. Nothing we can do. Oh by the way, thank you for opening my fucking mind. Thank you... just thank you.
6 likesFuck, my own MOTHER, who plays Candy Crush clones, realized how bad Youtube videos are nowadays.
1 likeYoutube has forced oney to make a lets play channel. But at least its better than quitting youtube altogether
14 likesFUCKING BRILLIANT.
7 likesWELL DONE, EMPLEMON.
ughh youtube used to be better when I was four waaa now that instead of 1% of youtube videos being bad is 2% it might aswell not exist waaa
0 likesStill relevant :/
2 likesHow do you see youtube now @emplemon ?
1 likeAnd it's all happening because of these kids
0 likesEmpLemon Is The Only Channel I Watch Everyday Cuz It's Real Content Not Dumb Downed Bullshit That Makes Me Dumber Every Second. I Love You Emp Daddy
5 likesNow i just feel bad about myself
1 likeFunny you mentioned game grumps cuz I actually stopped watching them for the reason you described.
18 likesThanks for the quality 40 minute analysis, Emp 👌
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Edwin Chalas ikr
0 likesEmplemon has a good taste in music and really good video structure. I realy enjoy your content keep it up!
8 likesIs it bad that this video gave me a headache?
0 likesNot because I didn’t understand it though; because I did
I agree with pretty much everything you said, but the whole "everybody selling dollar shave club and whatnot" is more of a symptom of the newer Youtube algorythim and how the site works now unfortunately. Otherwise most people wont make hardly anything off their content.
20 likesIt’s 2020, and I think it kinda got better. Kinda
0 likesAm I the only one who is genuinely happy to see long videos on my feed (either sub or recommandations) if I like the creator's content?
16 likesHeck, it's even a plus for choosing rant/essay videos to watch (a clear soft spot for me).
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Same, I love long videos. But really only if they're talking about a particular topic, so rants, essays, etc.
0 likesNGL indian youtuber is stuck in a 2012 loop
1 likeToo long????? * this* is exactly what I love about you're videos: they're long and informative/funny. I love listening tk someone talking about something that I love or that makes me interessting in things in new things wich is why I love your type of video!
18 likesWhere is the clip 26:09 from?
0 likesI miss the days of youtube when angry video game nerd silent rob armake21 where the kings of youtube they where my favourite i also like Ramboraph4life razorfist black lord of fenrir solidus skully makemebad35 alphaomegasin spoony before he went of the fucken rails leafy filthy frank
0 likesThank you for speaking out, my brain seems to have snapped back to reality and I went and visited all the subscriptions that are on your channel
6 likesReminding people to subscribe has been shown to increase subscriptions actually
2 likesWow 2k dislikes 🙁
0 likesThis is a great, informative video. Problem is, nobody's going to watch it, because it's not a 10-minute reaction video.
5 likesThis is literally so true, and I see what you mean, I made a couple reactions to goanimate videos and now I feel locked in to making reactions since anything I try to branch out into gets many fewer views, and whenever I try to ask for requests of things to react to... it’s virtually always goanimate, so it basically makes innovation of any type exceedingly difficult.
3 likesAnd yes, I too few the pressure to conform, because I’m always worried that if I go too far with something that I’ll offend people... this really is a fucked up situation, and while there isn’t much I can do about it, I will post this to my feed
Dont even get me started on Spanish content...
0 likesIm Spanish and I REALLY preffer the quality that english has or could have, over clickbait after clickbait after really bad video after "life hacks".
Its just that full of s%#t that I changed to english content.
I mean... lets make a new video platform made by youtubers?
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Nebula and floatplane lol
0 likesSure. Vidlii? It's basically old YouTube. I really mean oldtube. So old there's still stars.
1 likeThanks now al we need to do is convince everyone to go on one of those platforms
1 likeI love that “YouTube will financially sandbag you” that’s a good line though
36 likesI'm skilled at youtube at least
0 likesI've never had a problem with watching 30+ minute videos, but I know I'm in the minority with that
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as long as they are entertaining, i WANT long videos
17 likesam i insane for wanting that
yes, yes i am
I have even watched a few hour long videos before XD
3 likes@Cygerion totally agree
0 likesMe too. As long as it's good content, it can be 5 hours long for all I care
6 likesSofia R YouTube at its best is an extension of my documentary diet- it can be hard to find a great documentary experience, but when you do it’s really rewarding and enjoyable
3 likesEvery time I see a video over 30 minutes long I'm way more tempted to watch it
2 likesI love long videos. I put them on while I'm drawing or playing a game or if I just want to relax and not have to go find another video to watch every 10 minutes. I could watch long videos all day lol
1 likeSofia R I much prefer long videos like this because often times it’s 20-40 minutes of genuine content that took a lot of research and time to produce. 2 minutes of these kinds of videos are more entertaining and full of content than a 15 minute reaction video.
1 likeDope video but I wonder if you had your time back would you have not featured Gavin Mcinnis
0 likesI knew Youtube is f’ed up when I was so bored I started to rewatch the “liked” playlist
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Find new talent. One decent way I've found to discover talent is to just ask people. It's the only way small creators get ahead.
15 likesКаждый день пересматриваю
0 likesDanny vaga and doplex 2 awesome guys
0 likesI miss old youtube more and more every day. I remember unique creators telling me to leave 5 stars and hit the big yellow button... now it's lifeless.
37 likesLove your content tho, but then again you feel like a real human and not a pandering company or robot
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Newgrounds. It's only animation and games, but it's still like old times. Go to them.
2 likes@Tom Hill New Grounds. I've tried.
2 likesAlso, why aren't people doing something?
@Jordann Edwards They are doing something, specifically on Newgrounds. Not long ago Tumblr kicked out 80 percent of it's users. Newgrounds took them in. If you make animations, upload them there first.
4 likesAlso maybe you could try getting people on You-tube who make animations to put them on Newgrounds. We have to slowly sap You-tubes strength. They're too large to kill outright, but if we're persistent, over time, we could weaken You-tube to the point where they can be beaten.
I hate how by the time I even learn about a meme it's been dead for about a week. Thank you everyone who ruin memes by spamming them causing them to only last for about a week at most.
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Some of them stick around for years and in the end you start to hate it
19 likes@Viprskreen HAHAHAHAHAHA
3 likes@Viprskreen HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
2 likes@Viprskreen What alternate universe are you in where reddit are the creators of good memes
14 likes4chan
0 likesIf ya want memes kid, go to /pol
3 likesI am honestly fed up with "wait, that's illegal". I don't even have a joke, it was just never a good meme, and the normies overused it fast, and yet it still sticks around.
13 likescow moo
1 like>go to /pol
Crinfe
@Benjamin Muthafuckin King /pol best. /pol #1
4 likes@i don't check my notifications
7 likesYou know what's worse? Those stupid "no one on Earth: me:blablabla" comments. I swear to God I see those on every video I watch
Nobody:
5 likesNobody:
Nobody:
Nobody:
Nobody:
Nobody:
Nobody:
N o b o d y:
@Lucas F
1 likeNobody:
Everybody: These nobody memes suck
@M N Alright maybe i might be a fucking ancient boomer dinosaur who pretends 4chan is still in the 2014 golden age, as accepting the reality means that all the sacrifices ive made to my personnel life and mental health would account for nothing
1 like@Quax Never gets old.
0 likesBrian Mcnicholl
0 likesI remember when memes lasted a week. 2019 was nuts.
@Brian Mcnicholl and I hate how when I try to post a meme that I either know or don't know is dead a bunch of stuck up normie brats scream at me "DEAD MEME STFU LMAO"
0 likescow moo You are what's wrong with 4chan.
0 likesI just unsubbed 300 channels. I am tired of them all falling to clickbait and unoriginality.
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I made a new acc just to avoid that shit
0 likesThis was one hell of a ride, but I agree
39 likesnot to mention people like chris hansen abusing parts of the system
0 likesTucker Got is pretty dope
0 likesYou're one of the most entertaining people to watch and listen to in the background, Emperor.
12 likesI'm really grateful for the work and effort you put into your videos.
Oh boy. This vid was made before the whole demonitization era. Dear August 2017 EmpLemon, things are much worse now.
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They're only gonna get worse from here.
7 likesLike Viacom buying YouTube.
3 likesRareSox whaaaaat! Enlighten me senpai
5 likesRareSox whhhhaaat? I thought google owned yt?
0 likesHere after leafy was banned
3 likesWhy is YouTube trying to become TV?
136 likesThe same reason WWE launched its attitude era by taking ideas from WCW and ECW - to become the single most popular source of the product.
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The price of CS:GO skins isn't necessarily Valve's fault, that's just the market itself, but it's not really a monopoly, monopolies own things that a high amount of people own, need, and/or want you don't really need a CS:GO skin for hundreds of bucks to function in life
2 likesnoxic. That's a good question, a guy named saberspark has a really good video answering that, he's also really under appreciated so I highly recommend the channel. Look up what's ruining YouTube, that's the name of the video, hope this helped:)
1 likeAs the Tsar of Russia at the First World War would say :
0 likes" Looks at giant, piss-weak & underpopulated country "
"Seems Legit."
+jem due the lack of vodka in that sentence disturbs me
3 likes+jason scully ill see if i can check it out, thanks
0 likesso that's the only valid thing I can make
0 likesThis video actually inspired me to go back to my old reliables, TomSka, Corridor Digital, and Brandon Rogers. Also many old channels. 2010 has become my source of content now.
11 likesits 2020.
2 likesnobody listened to lemon.
youtube is dead
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now it is 2021.
0 likesIt's 2021. Almost 2022. You can't even publicly express negative feelings about videos anymore. This site is spiraling.
0 likesDOWNWARD SPIRAL DOWNWARD SPIRAL DOWNWARD SPIRAL DOWNWARD SPIRAL DOWNWARD SPIRAL DOWNWARD SPIRAL
0 likesWatched it all the way through. Good video overall but there's no way back for youtube. Advertisers want the site to be as it is and it will never change. The comments section on youtube is much like /b/ back in 08. Overly populated and filled with complete trash. I can't wait to see what you make next.
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/b/ is still overly populated and filled with complete trash it always been and it always will be
18 likesNoah Vanmullekom lol "alt-left." Please get real bro, there's no such thing. Name me an "alt-left" youtuber, public speaker or website. I'll name you 3 alt-right ones:
3 likes1. The Daily Stormer
2. Lauren Southern
3. Richard Spencer
There is "far-left" (ANTIFA, The Clintons, SJW's, etc.) but Trump just made up the term alt-left to defend the race riots in Charlotesville. I respect you since you're an Emplemon fan, so I know you have to have some level critical thinking. Had you ever heard that term purported by ANYONE until Trump
said it?
Be unbiased. It's what society needs right now.
just find a specialized board in something you're actually into. I got some guns a while back so I went to /k/ and discovered what board culture actually was, after spending most of my highschool years browsing /b/ only. /b/ is cancer
1 like>The Clintons are far left
4 likesFunny how far left people hate capitalism and are communists but are simultaneously corporate sellouts who benefit from the exploits of a capitalist system who thought Bernie Sanders was too radical for them.
inb4 "it's not real capitalism"
JohnCenaAteOutMyMom Damn son, you exposed me haha. But nah I guess I could've worded that better. Clinton was trying to appeal to the Far Left, but as we know from the emails she'll basically say anything to get a vote. I guess she would technically be a centrist, if anything.
0 likes"trying to appeal to the Far Left" This is still a dishonest way of putting it.
0 likesLiberal =/= leftist
Most liberals, even though they often claim to be socialists, still support mostly right wing economic systems. There's more to being a socialist than supporting Bernie Sanders. Kinda hard to appeal to the "far left" when you make it apparent that you think Bernie Sanders is some spooky radical communist.
just out of curiosity what does alt right mean? I have no idea why leftists use it all the time
0 likesI think you missed the key word in that sentence. trying. Also, I'm kind of confused by your definition. If I'm not mistaken, you're saying that liberalism is separate from being on the left, which is true. But then you kind of go on to bash liberalism which is where I get confused. Perhaps I'm misinterpreting it.
1 likeI'm under the impression, correct me if I'm wrong, but in the US most left-wing politicians as well as common people consider themselves liberals. Not all, but a lot. Some of the core concepts of Liberalism by its definition are tolerance, liberty, and individualism. Why I say "far-left", is because a lot of those people don't actually believe in a liberal ideology. SJW's (who were definitely a target audience for the Clinton campaign) don't actually follow the ideological beliefs of liberalism, just like Hillary doesn't. I would consider ANTIFA, SJW's, and so on to be "Far-Left" because they don't actually believe in Liberalism, they fall more into the radical progressive category. The moment you say "kill all the fascists", I wouldn't consider you a very tolerant or, in other words, liberal person on the matter. When you say that everyone should use pronouns in a certain way to prevent people from getting butthurt, I don't think you care much for individualism or freedom of speech. I consider myself a liberal, but I hate Hillary Clinton. To me, Hillary Clintons public (keyword there, public ) campaign was about appealing to an audience that's so in over there heads about progressive ideals, that they won't notice how terrible her policies are. That's why I'm using the term "far-left" to describe those people. Hopefully I haven't fallen into a "No True Scotsman" fallacy, but I think I've done a good job of explaining it.
Rip kitty0706 may he rest in peace
0 likesI once used the trending tab...
372 likesIT WAS HORRIBLE
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Old Random Computing I once used the trending tab and I barely made it out alive.
15 likes@Man Of Crazy sometimes i look at it how many videos are there cause of money cause they have like 10k views and are in trend . wierd while pewdiepie makes one 1 hour 1 million views
9 likesOld Random Computing
8 likesRemember kids trending is manually controlled by YouTube.
Dude, I lost my mind in there.
1 likeNgl i was expecting a joke
1 like@Lime Angelo And now, we gently weep.
4 likeswhy would you people do that to yourselves? Who hurt you..
1 like@RandomAlienFromMars 0 Curiosity killed the cat.
1 like『Ghiaccio's Gently memes』 the trending tab is a joke
0 likesill agree with your distaste of fanboy and chum chum, but cmon... jonny test kinda slapped
0 likesHow can I like twice?
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i liked with 10 alts
1 likeHow is this still relevant three years later
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YouTube isn't all to corporate anymore. With smaller creators making the rounds and big corporate YouTube channels being publicly shamed. YouTube is on his way to being just as good as it was back in 2012!
0 likes@Arcade Jaguar what? I feel the algorithm is working better for people that want good content but it dosent feel like its being phased out
0 likesJust youtube being youtube
0 likesLessons in meme culture is way better than behind the meme
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Yes
0 likesThe nostalgia, man... made me miss the old youtube. Incredibly well-made video, still relevant 2 years later obviously.
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its been relevant 3 years before this video even came out
3 likes100% agree
0 likesExactly!!!!
2 likesNever before did I think I’d hear Emerson Lake and Palmer as the background music for a YouTube video, let alone anything off of Tarkus. Phenomenal album, great video, brilliant insight, keep up the good work
2 likesI saw this all the way through. And I agree. That's why I have always been picky with my videos. I have subscribed to some big channels, some small ones. In the end, it's about creating an entertaining video. That's that. Or, it should be that. I remember being cooped up in a house we were staying in cuz me and my sister were sunburned for two weeks, doing practically nothing but watching this amazing thing called 'YouTube'. When I found videos like Salad Fingers, gmod and the original NC videos (I'm an old woman, geez) I used to watch vids with my best guy friend, Cosmo. YouTube has lost the whole point of its existence; To be interesting and different. Which is sad, but I can't do much about it. : /
5 likesQue Sera, Sera.
(Whatever will be, will be)
I love coming back to this video every once in a while just to see how little has changed. It's honestly sad.
3 likesThat moment when I've watched this video 3-4 times in the last past few days; just to listen the things you talk about; it really bounces in my head
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It's nice to be back for the fifth watch
0 likesI have a dream. That one day every person on this site will control their OWN content. A platform of the truly free, dammit. A streaming service of creativity, not effortless trash, ruled by fun, not popularity! Where the content changes to suit the creators, not the other way around. Where laughs and jubilance are back where they belong: IN THE HEARTS OF THE PEOPLE! Where every man is free to think - to create - for himself! Fuck all these limp-dick rich kids and copyright claimants. Fuck this 24-hour Internet spew of trivia and celebrity bullshit! Fuck mob mentality! Fuck the media! FUCK ALL OF IT!
3 likesYouTube is diseased. Rotten to the core. There's no saving it - we need to pull it out by the roots. Wipe the slate clean. BURN IT DOWN! And from the ashes, a new YouTube will be born. Evolved, but untamed! The lazy will be purged and passionate creators will thrive - free to make videos as they see fit... they'll make YouTube GREAT AGAIN!
In our new YouTube, people will post and enjoy what they love! Not for money. not for fame. Not for what they're told is right. Every man will be free to construct their own community!
thb i really like the long videos, (mainly because it practicaly ensures quality, but still) I've only recently seen your channel, but it's super well put together, funny, and informative. Plus, it gives me less need to click, so that's a plus. But for real, you make great content and wanted to tell you that.
2 likeswatching this video three years from its release date I must say youtube is much shittier . But while this pandemic has gone on, if you find GOOD content to watch. The bad is really really bad, and the good is the best content I've seen in years. Things since this video have only got progressively worse. idc to project my political views because no one cares, nor should anyone care if someone has a different political stance, but Conservative content is so covered up its crazy. I am subscribed to people like Steven Crowder and I rarely ever get my notifications from his channel, yet am shoved trump hate and ridicule in my face every day
1 likeHi! Newcomer here, damn I love your videos ! Plenty of work, passion, and common sense ! Yep, I've gone this far as to watch the entierty of a 50 minutes rant from mid 2017.
0 likesGuess Covid-19 isn't enough a cataclysm hahaha.
I can't agree more with what you have to say ! We are fortunate enough in my country to have plenty of wonderful creators that make us laugh and learn things, sometimes even without fancy cameras and microphones. Pretty much In the same style as Vsauce, The Elemental Maker, Nile Red, Smarter Everyday etc. But I also watch an enormous ammount of english speaking content.
Ultimately, as with IRL, we, the audience, are the ones who have to act in order to make things better. It's funny when I say to my friends that I use the "subscriptions" tab in order to see if I missed a video from someone I like. Most of the time, people are unaware it exists. Same goes for the "community" tab. I never clicked a bell, but am up to date with my subscriptions. It's not magic, just a way of using Youtube that requires a tiny amount of extra clicks, while allowing me to discover new stuff every now and then.
We are so deep into the notification dogma, that even people like me, who are struggling to keep proactive attitude when it comes to finding new stuff, look at our phones when we hear rumbling, as if we received a notification. Guess what, my phone notified me on some social media while writing this, and I felt the urge to check. It was just a remainder that some of the people I'm following posted stuff. Pavlov's dog! (you can check out "classical conditioning" if you don't know it and are interested)
Some guy at national TV in my country said quite a few years ago : "We're not entertaining people, we're selling available brain time to advertisers". This kinda shocked everyone for a while, but quickly enough, life went back to normal. Nowadays, TV people keep getting a better and better idea of how the internet works, and are conquering our "soils". This quote is true here, on Youtube, for quite a few years also !
Keep up the good work man ! I'll be digging deeper into your channel. Maybe see you in an even older video ? Hahaha
Brilliant video. Whilst I can empathise with your frustration over the decisions YT have made over the years, I do feel it is worth at least attempting to consider things from their perspective in a business sense. I've seen a number of videos from YT creators who are understandably upset with the way things are going, however I see little discussion regarding the business of YT and the cost of running such an enormous infrastructure. @ 36:55 you show a screenshot highlighting Google's valuation of approx $498B at that time. I appreciate that is a rather large and abstract figure, however it does not reflect the value of YT as an asset within the structure of Google. From what I have seen, Google have infamously been very cagey in regards broadcasting how much money YT actually makes. In February 2020 they announced that in the fiscal year of 2019, YT made a revenue of $15B...however, it would not provide figures on how much profit (if any) YT made within 2019. In short, we basically have no idea if YT is even a profitable venture. If indeed it is haemorrhaging cash then it would at least provide some explanation of why YT has made increasingly desperate decisions in tinkering the website to ensure maximum watch time in order to maximise advertisement consumption.
1 likeHey, just wanted to say that I actually deactivated the recommendations on youtube for this reason, I wasn't happy as a "consumer", everything was fed to me, it was addictive and in the end, a near-total waste of time even tho I was watching sciency videos and not some brain dead shit, but either way, finding what I call golden nuggets was actually extremely difficult to achieve. So that's why... Also, this video is more than relevant today, it's really getting worse and worse to be honest, even veritasium went into a gigantic downward spiral lately by making his videos clickbaity... I don't even click on them anymore even tho the subject could be interesting, what a bummer... Also, GradeAUnderA is a great example of a youtuber's community that didn't want him to grow technically because of the fear of him becoming "commercial"... like, dang 0_0...
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I mean, you can just explore the comment section in his videos if you want content
0 likesEmp, I've never been scared by a person hundreds of miles away from me before today.
38 likesEmp, you are scary when you're upset.
Shout out to Emp for using some actual Prog Rock bangers, glad to see ELP and others getting some love
0 likesthe end of the vid really inspired me to do something that doesnt have to be with a trend or to copy off a youtube channel thank you
3 likesThank you EmpLemon. We need these type of videos, YouTube is way worser in 2020 as you may know. thankk you so much, this system is shit.
1 likeNot gonna lie,I think I probably wouldn't be okay with the videos back in the older days,but I could understand why others enjoyed it and the ways it's more beneficial for creators than whatever the hell we have now.
1 likeAlso,I think you should've also talked about the YouTube burn out,notably with animators...also I think you might want to relax with this.
I understand your points,but you might want to understand that they're decent people just trying to making it.Like you said,they gotta suck the cocks of YouTube in order to be worth a damn,so you gotta numb your personality in order to get those subs and attention.
It really be like that all the time.
No wonder Leafy hated this place and thank god I didn't make a YouTube channel or else I would be stressed out as everyone else creating content for this place.
Yea he makes good points, but how could this have been avoided and what could realistically be done to solve it. It’s essentially just an “I miss the good old days” complaint that everyone has about pretty much wverything
1 like2020 and this shit still holds up
3 likesAt first i thought he was kidding with the "mental downward spiral" and "losing it completely" but after i saw this, i realize that he has lost it completely
0 likesGee it feels great to know that there is people that also has a IQ level of 144 just like me.
1 likeI APPRECIATE HOW THE VIDEO IS EDITED WHAT THEY SAY AND HOW THEY SAY IT. SERIOUSLY HAVING A BIG BRAIN IS JUST HAVING A OPEN MIND ABOUT OPINIONS AT THIS POINT.
me: watches stuff that i like
12 likesEmplemon: WAKE UP SHEEPLE
YouTube needs more based videos like this, outstanding
1 likeI'm thinking that the most important thing he said in this whole video is not actually in this video, it's in the description.
2 likes"See, this, this is power. This voice is power. In anybody else's hands, this is just a microphone, in my hands, it's a pipe bomb. "
- EmpLemon, 2017
This feels like the Smells like Teen Spirit of YouTube, sadly not in it's influence for change, but in the sense that it's just a non-stop battle cry of anger and frustration at the current and future scene of YouTube. Some of it might seem a bit over-generalized, but a lot of it is far too accurate to be comfortable with.
0 likesthis video really is dope af ive seen it like 3 times already and im still enjoy it
0 likesHoly crap.I agreed with what he said and enjoyed every second of this video. Quality stuff, You earned a new Unsubscriber
0 likesIf I'm being honest its wonderful that video sharing sites exist,
0 likesbecause for some people it's the only window to the outside world.
But the fact that Youtube is basically giving the middle finger to their creators, makes me really doubtful about this sites future
This was a phenomenal video, I will say with the tv is better argument could be the fact that the grass always looks greener on the other side, YouTube’s have way more creative freedom but I understand your point.
1 likeJeez, I thought this video was uploaded recently. Then I looked down and saw that it was uploaded three years ago. The year is 2020 and YouTube has only gotten worse.
0 likesAnyway, I wanted to say that you make a lot of sweeping, definitive statements in this video, which is kind of just asking for an angry comment section. But, I really appreciate how genuinely you express your opinions here. This video hits too close to home. I have had pretty much the same experience with YouTube as you--as a viewer, anyway. Lied about my age to make an account back in 2005, had fully switched over to YouTube and dropped television by 2009, and have watched the site get worse and worse each year. It's a real shame.
I miss how fucking AWESOME YouTube used to be. Something you didn't really touch on was that YouTube used to be a much more social experience. You had a friend list, you could post "bulletins" that your friends could see and respond to, there were stream / chat rooms where you and your friends could watch a playlist of videos together--like, each person could add videos to the queue and you could watch them together. It sucked watching all of these features get phased out and replaced by this new YouTube.
I believe since 2017 YouTube has gotten a lot better. Animators have finally found their footing with story time videos and animators like The Odd1sout and Jaiden animations have risen to fame and it seems their genuinely funny people who care about what they do. Not to mention you mentioned Pyrocynical in the video complaining about how you keep getting recommended his content. Well most YouTubers like him including himself have become pretty tolerable and produce actually funny, well written original commentary content now. Also the let's plays kinda died to be replaced by a more funny, original,well edited kind of gaming video like ones made by Jacksepticye, Pewdiepie, CallMeCarson and more. I've also noticed a lot more kids watching animated content from youtubers like the Odd1sout and Jaiden animations and youtubers like Jake and Logan Paul as well as Ricegum have had their channels virtually die. It's also been around a year now since Fortnite was really popular and I haven't really seen too many cringy trends in a while and some celebrities such as Jack Black or Will Smith have actually come to truly understand and respect Internet culture in a way that in 2017 probably wouldn't have been seen possible for a celebrity. Also most of the other (cringier) celebrities have moved over to stupid ass TikTok. I don't think it's perfect but It's getting better. One step at a time.
0 likesI don't know how to illustrate this all in a YouTube comment, but you bring up a lot of good points here. You said you read all your comments, but I doubt that that applies here on a 3 year old video with over 15,000 comments as i'm writing this. Regardless, I hope you see this. Looking at the top of this comment section, I haven't seen anything as thought provoking or as passionate as your video. If I saw some comments at the top that were giving meaningful commentary to the situation/video or were giving thanks to you for spending hours of your life passionately making this, I probably wouldn't be writing this one.
1 likeI'll start this off by saying iv'e never been as emotionally or philosophically impacted by a YouTube video as I have here. I felt a need to write a comment expressing my thanks and showing my thoughts on the matter, despite the age of the video. For the past 9 years, since back in 2011, YouTube and the internet as a whole have been my main source of entertainment. I haven't been around for as long as you have, but I like to think I have good judgement on the state of YouTube and internet culture. Even if I haven't been around as long as some, I think Iv'e been around longer than most people consuming content on YouTube right now, even more so now in 2020 than when you uploaded this video.
This video makes me feel something. It makes me think something. This video is thought provoking and insightful, as all of your content is. I try to support individual creators as much as possible, but I need to do better than I have been. You inspire me and remind me of the time long past where individual creators reined supreme. You make me want to do better and you make me happy that people like you still exist and are on this shit storm of a platform. YouTube is the worst and best website on the web. I can't think of a single site that has as much varied and questionable decision making as its content creators while simultaneously having some of the best people and content on the planet. People like you remind why I stay here and why I hold hope in humanity in general. Sometimes it can feel so fucking shitty to live on this planet with all these shitty people making shitty decisions, but it can also feel amazing to live amongst great people like you. Videos like this and people like you are the reason to keep going amidst this shitty year and amongst these shitty people.
In conclusion, thank you, EmpLemon. Thank you for continuing to put in the passionate effort needed to make every day worth it. It means so much to me that great people like you would take time out of your day to share your feelings and opinions in great and entertaining ways. I don't know if you need to hear this or not, or if this really matters much to you, but you mean a lot to me. You are my favorite youtuber, and a reason to keep going. Thank you for everything.
This is such a complaint I have. I want to find small artists and creators on YouTube by its difficult to do so. I've actually googled small content creators for YouTube and went through several pages, websites, Reddit communities, etc. And found basically nothing.
1 likeIt. Sucks.
Good job on telling up and coming youtubers trying to make something at least decent that their content sucks. (Talking about the end)
1 likeHey Emp! I am watching this about 3 years later. Is there any plan for updating the information here? I have heard about a lot of recent Youtube controversies over the last few years but no one has put everything together in one place like you did here 3 years ago. Or at least no one to my knowledge has. If so I would love to be pointed in there direction.
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same shit x5
1 likeMy favourite part about the algorithm is that the up next is GUARANTEED to be something I've already watched. In the case as of recently, I was watching one of your other vids, clicked on another, and my up next was the video that I had LITERALLY JUST FINISHED WATCHING.
2 likesThe algorithm is the hottest pile of shit. Change my mind.
It's been almost 3 years now, would you say that everything in this video still applies?
0 likes15:05 seeing that clip of mordecai combined with you saying “sure” gave me the thought that you would make a great mordecai voice actor.
0 likeshad videos been rated in the algorithm using watch time percent rather than raw watch time or view count, wouldn't animations have had a chance of surviving?
0 likesalso, had youtube never publicized ads, had youtube been possibly a lot better?
It certainly has "improved" now that the site is even feeding me countless mainstream news sources so that I can hear their side of the story on any given pandemic talking point instead of hearing from everyday people like Sargon of Akkad, Rageaholic, Count Dankula, Black Pigeon Speaks, or even Computing Forever because why would I want to hear from someone well-read who doesn't take government money when I can instead hear from an organization like CNN who let Elizabeth Warren talk over everybody, including the moderators, multiple times during a debate without even once cutting her mic off, while jumping straight to commercials the moment someone like Tulsi Gabbard tries to call her out on it.
0 likesI fucking loved clayworld thank you for reminding me of that. I’m not gonna pretend I’m a great editor, but the reason I made videos as a kid was seeing YouTube and thinking it was the funniest shit ever
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An alright recent video
0 likesSubscribed for the inclusion of Tarkus. That shit is literally my all-time favorite song.
0 likesI’ve been around on YouTube since 2010. This account since 2016, but I was 9 years old finding new crazy things to do on Roller Coaster Tycoon in 2010. One of those videos was my first ever, and I remember when subscribers and views were on the top right corner on a black bar. Those were the good ol’ days. Then the last 4 years have been very odd. Watching my memes rise and fall, as well as my Nintendo videos on my older channel, it was hard to grasp how youtube started to work. I hate the algorithm. You can have a great community and audience, that says “you deserve way more subscribers” but it’s not till the algorithm sees a pattern in your retention and click ratio that you will get views. Often clickbaitey ones. I try not to do that. All of my thumbnails literally are part of the video, but I choose what would be a good pick for my videos. I wish I could go back to 2016 and before when it came to Youtube itself. Never give up though. Keep doing what you love ❤️
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Another YTP-er
0 likesI wonder how this video would have changed if it was made after COPPA was put into place. Probably not much, everything he said here is still very true over 2 and a half years after this was made (typing this at the end of May 2020).
0 likesI have no problem with people asking me to subscribe, cause it's legit been proven that youtubers get more subscribers on days they actually tell people to sub. Faze Jev is a good example of this.
1 likeI don't comment much, man, but you said you read like every single comment and I hope you read this: you're the most fucking punk rock youtuber on my sublist and I have watched a fuckton of your videos and many have inspired me, most have informed me, and all have entertained me. Idk what to say about critique ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ but I wanted to leave a word of encouragement and gratitude 💗🙏🏼✊
1 likeReminds me of one of my favourite games in 2018, Rec Room VR. The game was fucked over in almost 2 years.
0 likesEdit: looking back in 2021, the game just got worse and worse
He won me over with the Genesis tune and WWE jokes
1 likeDon't forget to mention people that actually look deep into games, or movies and take apart it like an art form. People like Ahoy, Ralphthemoviemaker, IHE, Raycevick. They get fucking punished for trying to create content that can challenge the way viewers look at entertainment, or try to look at the entertainment we all get in a different light.
3 likesNah, here on YouTube, we fucking punish creators who try the slightest to create unique content and promote the same fucking shit like Minecraft & Fortnite, because those are all popular.
And don't you even dare try talking about an underrated game or movie you enjoy or something your passionate about, because you get fucking punished or your viewers won't even give a slight shit on what you like, they'll see it and go "Nah, I ain't watching that! I wanna see the funny maymay"
God, I hate this site at times.
ok dude dont blame EVERYTHING on us, we dont all like this type of shit. Is it also not weird that some people dont want to spend 1/48 of their day on you. great vid
0 likes37:35 was such a good punchline lmao
0 likesI wish I could grow my channel, but I refuse to make it a business. To me making videos is a hobby that I'd like to see more people enjoy.
1 likei dont know how much times i have rewatched this video in the background, but god damn is it still amazing
3 likes12:07 and that transition song bit hit me like a truck
1 likeCant believe I was also 15 when this came out.
2 likes2 years later and this is still relevant
1 likeThis is why i have a set of rules for when i make my gaming videos.
1 like1. No Trending Games. I'll play what i actually think is fun and interesting, not a piece of shit like Fortnite, PUBG, CS:GO, and COD.
2. No Misleading thumbnails. Stuff like giant arrows pointed at random shit, things that don't even appear in the video, and random bits of shit like "OMFG, SO SCARRY!!!!1". I just take the weirdest shit from the video, make a background of something from the game, paste them into parts of the screen, Place the game title, and that's it.
3. If the games story mode/campaign has been completed, add some mods. Build onto it. Make the game more expansive, add different storylines, new quests and locations. A good example of this is my current series on Black Mesa, where i'm attempting the Hidden Hat achievement, but with mods that fuck with the game's dialogue, textures, etc. Or my series of Fallout: New Vegas, where i didn't even start out with the original storyline for the game, but with Fallout Who, a mod that adds elements from the world of Doctor Who into the game.
4. Actually comment on what's happening in the fucking game. Don't talk about some random shit, like you pointed out in this video.
5. No Intro, only an end card. make it humorous, don't oversaturate it with bright colors and annoying dubstep music in the background.
6. If somebody claims my video, i'll verify if it's actually copyrighted material and if it's fair use. If it goes against fair use, i'll let the video remain demonetized. Or, if the company/party who claimed it has either ignored the Fair Use Guidelines, or it's just some retard who doesn't even own the rights to whatever it was that got my video claimed, I'll dispute it.
7. I'll try to make my videos at least 15 minutes long, not because i want it to be monetized, but because i think longer is better, there's more stuff to work with, making it more fun for me to edit. Some of my videos could range from being 8 minutes, to being almost an hour & 1/2 long.
When Emp is in Leefy rant mode, my pipi is hard. Lovely video and so true. .. its even worse in 2020..
4 likes10:28 This made me smile!
0 likesSo apparently youtube mobile considers this music because i cant watch it in minimized, lol
19 likeswatched the whole vid. great thoughts and made me think too. first found your vid/documentary on hungrybox and smash bros. loved that too. earned a subscriber out of me (unsubscriber?).
4 likesEven now hearing the intro music it’s a blast to the past with DDR Supernova
0 likesActually i am here since 2016. But i still can find good stuff, leveluplifting as an example. Also in my language (german) if you search you find great content. The problem is that the algorythm is puting normie content above creativity. So if you dont know it exsist you cant find it.
0 likesI just noticed you used Dancing with the Moonlit Knight in this video. I never thought I would ever hear a song like that in a YouTube video.
0 likes22:41 Granger Smith: I’m a country artist
0 likesEmp: Oh I don’t think so
I think I'm one of the few ones that has decent recs, since I joined around 2013 and watched videos much before that.
0 likesalso holy shit the part about gaming kicked my ass royally
The title of this video is still true today
15 likesThis is so depressing, and it's because it's true
2 likesAnd it's even deeper than what it was before.
2 likesOK yes charmx in 2017 wasn’t that Exciting but nowadays he’s doing much better being more talented and funny and add comments onto the original work instead of a laugh at funny scene stereotype that most reaction channels do.19:49
0 likeshearing what hes talking about with old youtube feels like deep ifunny
0 likesHonest channel recommendation: This Old Tony.
1 likemachining, welding, and dad jokes.
Watching him talk about animation reminded me of battlefield friends :(
0 likesGood Video. Explains a lot. Lots of Spirals.
2 likesOh jeese no wonder people used to hate you. Even when you were right you were insufferably hostile.
0 likesidk maybe this is just what YouTube drama was always like back in 2017 and I blissfully forgot lol
This video sums up why I'm subbed. Fucking fantastic dude. Long form but quality filled vids are the best.
1 likeIf there's anyone who needs music for their vids get ahold of me. I don't know what my music will go with but I'm down to help someone out that's doing cool shit.
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Cool asf
1 like@maxnul thanks dude
0 likesToo bad its now like all of the other commentary channels
1 like@Doom58 what do you mean?
0 likes@Floating Door i'm just sick of commentary video being the only salvageable content on this site its so boring there's nothing else to watch
1 like@Doom58 I guess I can see where you're coming from. Everything is becoming overwelmingly meta. But it's not too bad for me because I watch alot of music production stuff and tutorial videos.
0 likesExcellent usage of Pink Floyd!
2 likesI first started watching YouTube all the way back in 2007 or 2008, when I was 6 or 7 years old. Then by 2009, I discovered YouTube Poops.
0 likes2:51 Same goes for videogames. Really hurts me
7 likesI remember having to skip 30 seconds of every video to not hear them say "LiKE, suBSCrIbE aND hIt tHe BeLl NoTIFicAtIoN!" It was so fucking annoying, and I'm so god damn glad everyone stopped doing that shit.
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Now it's on the end of the video
0 likesJust a note: The Youtube algorithm took me from Cheese reacting to the new 16-Star Super Mario 64 World Record, to The History of the World's Highest Jump (cool vid) to this. :p
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But you ain't gonna find his TanktheRewind hashtag
0 likesGod I miss old youtube
1 likeJEEZ, this video is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO long that I can't even watch it! And I can watch a movie.
0 likesCM Pemp was spitting facts
1 likeOn 9:34 you said that John Cena was in the movie, even though I can't see him. I can't believe I am lied to
4 likesthe flying to mcdonalds on a paramotor one is still there...
0 likes>Claims his videos aren't too long.
0 likes>Plays entirety of Achilles Last Stand in the background.
making content on this site is very demotivating to me, I’m working on a review of dark knight returns and becuase you just have to upload daily to make it somewhere on this site, I’ve had to make shitposts. They got claimed and I know the video I’m working on is going to be claimed too, I’m disputing the other claims but last night I worked for about an hour on a 80 second clip. This is really the first time I’m putting real effort in my editing. I never ask for subs it’s really annoying, I olny sub if I like the content, not if you ask, if you ask I’m probably not going to sub. I’ve been fimmilat with making content with this site since 2016, my first channel olny got to 60 subscribers before I started this one. To be fair, the videos on that channel are actually shit and there wasn’t much effort. I like making videos, I want to be a filmmaker and edit and I think this is a good start up with the content I’m doing. I’m proud that I actually wrote a video and it’s over 2 minutes long (dkr review is going to be around 20 minutes) and fully edited. I use ytp techniques becuase I think those are the best techniques, the one I use the most is “sentence shifting” I try to be original, but when you have 4826295726373 videos uploaded a second it’s a little hard, I want to be like the next Ralphthemoviemaker or you emp, content creators that really raise the bar in my opinion. Now my content it’s not the best in the world, but it’s certainly better than Jake a Logan Paul. Great video emp!
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To say 'Jake a Logan Paul' is meaningless, since any video that last for only 25 seconds (or less than 10 minutes) is better that that garbage.
0 likesDon’t watch this while high out of your damn mind
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Requires 'understanding of youtube Community', 'youtuber experience' and 'Basic Knowledge'
0 likesThis guy reminds me of John Wick, except his dog is the YTP format.
0 likesSomeone's got juvenoia. But for real. I've never seen the old YouTube but I know for sure that the new youtube sucks.
1 likeI would love to see you update this video in 2020.
0 likesWhen Emplemon named college humor buzzed at 22:34 that made me wheeze
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It’s sad they’ve gotten so bad to the point that just BuzzFeed.
0 likesit's funny how emplemon vids are the only rewatchable thing i have except vsauce or exurb1a. Nothing is rewatchable anymore. These are the ONLY videos ive watched more than 3 times and all the fucking algorithm has to do is GIVE ME SOME NICE STUFF I ENJOY. but no i keep getting recommended things that ive never evn wanted to watch because god vorbid i only watch emplemon and vsauce monthly uploads and not all day fucking long
1 likeIt's funny how he doesn't get why someone would watch people game rather than game themselves, showcasing the same level of ignorance as when people don't understand why people make/watch ytpoops
0 likesI did watch the video a 10th of the way through, thanks lemon.
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"Disgusting. Absolutely disgusting."
0 likes- Emplemon during a stream reaction
Oh shit the 8bit music at 9:20 is the same one used in a large chunk of his WWE video
0 likesIt's 2020 and until checking the description I couldn't have figured this video was from three years ago
0 likesThe best video on YouTube
2 likesyears later i now see emp is a complete morron who was worng about some things but i`ll admit he was right about the commatary community
0 likesEssay videos are things I can accept.
0 likes46:19 is a perfect example of me not caring for the iDubbbzTV shitstorm
1 likeThe largest example of the idea of 'broadcasting yourself' dying off was our last hope, pewdiepie losing the crown after 5 FUCKING YEARS TO
0 likesA M U S I C C O R P E R A T I O N
well now they ripped of spotify with youtube music, but worse
1 likeGood video emp. The first thing i personaly did after getting account setup, was to delete ALL of the home page garbage the algorithm wanted me to watch. Now my home page consist mostly by vidos of chanels i had subscribed to.
1 likeThe sections he "hasn't even mentioned" are now as follows:
2 likesFailure to protect creators: YouTube Copyright Metagame &YT Geographic: Viacom
Lack of Transparency/Refusal to Communicate: Operation Red Herring & YouTube's Next Great War
Pointless and Confusing Changes: YT Geographic - Neutral Response
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I want him to rip on minimalism
0 likesBelieve he's taken jabs at it in the past, though I can't remember exactly when
0 likesi hope youtubes system strikes charmx's channel during covid, maybe he'd try to do something interesting
0 likesHate to say it, but Youtubepoop was pretty lame most the time. The start of this video came off as whining from an old internet shitlord. Thankfully, your history vids are much better.
0 likesBut in the end I started agreeing with you.
It would have been nice to scroll down to the comments and seeing people exchanging great youtubers. My recommendations would include Lemmino, ChubbyEmu, MedLife Crisis, Nexpo, yeah stuff one probably already knows :D
0 likesTop notch dude.
2 likessubscribes and sets notifications to all on a youtuber I like
0 likesyoutube:
So, yeah, we'll not show you the next month of fucking content
>i still make ytps
48 likesthat aged badly
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*outdated
7 likesdidn't age bad just cause he doesn't do them anymore
3 likesBack in about the summer of ‘07 my brother who was about 8-9 at the time showed me YouTube, and that’s how we spent that summer vacation, until my brother showed me s dumb Barney video that scared me, so my mom said no more YouTube, of course as a kid you try to go on the forbidden things like adult swim and watch family guy or whatever, so I went back on, about 08 is when I started using it regularly but it wasn’t until 14 that it replaced television, with so much edgy content like filthy frank, idubzz, and gaming centered people like jontron and avgn, and the fact that I now had a console that I could just watch YouTube on anytime, it didn’t make sense anymore, edgy content has moved from YouTube to places like ifunny where if you ban the n word we’ll make slang for it (then ifunny Corp makes it an app that tries to be like YouTube despite the fact that it name derived from a racial slur but whatever) which is why I think we should just drop all this crap about idubzz and leafy already, like seriously it was what like 3-4 years ago? If you want edgy content YouTube isn’t the place for it anymore, it’s still alternative and I still use YouTube everyday, but I won’t deny its changed, and edgy content has changed so much with it, so leave the past in the past
2 likesIt helps that you are one of the original watchers of this site.
1 likeHoly shit ELP, when is tarkus gonna be in a video?
0 likesEdit: Holy shit. I just read the whole thing DAMN
I genuinely enjoyed G+
0 likescan money be supplied
0 likesif yes, those motivated by the money devise a strategy to maximize its profit, creating “bland” content.
if no, there is no prime motivator and instead less artists with smaller fans will use their talent to create “diverse” content
This aged like wine...
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But the ideas blend well
0 likes...and now they've lost it completely!
0 likesI remember this channel before this...
0 likesSometimes I think about boycotting YouTube, but where would I go?
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Bitchute?
0 likes46:15 i feel he is talking to me....
0 likesTo be fair Pyrocynical doesn't upload meme content very often.
0 likesThis is why I subbed to you (because its true)
0 likesMake YouTube great again
0 likesi fixed the algorithm by clearing and pausing my search/watch history so it literally can't recommend me anything (because there's no history) except for trending vids and subscriptions
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0 likeswhen i was growing up i watched tomska but he went down hill
0 likes22:27 do you like this so called popular band because i sure do :)
0 likesI have been watching youtube since the late 2000s.
0 likesMan you sound like if leafy and Funke had a children.
1 likeEdit: also, i cant belive this video is still relevant in 2020. Almost nothing has changed for the better, but for the worst
this is the best youtuber.
1 likehappy 10 years on youtube
0 likesFor anyone clicking new. This is where you'll find non-PC & non-elite channels. Though it will take time.
1 like3:50 what kind of montage parodies were there between 2004 and 2008 for there to be those little spikes?
0 likesEmperor lemon goes on a drunk ramble
0 likesDefault autoplay + “skip to next video” has to be the worst combination.
0 likesGreat video, never did subscribe and never will
2 likesYoutube is f'ed up, and I'm fed up.
1 likeWhile I agree with most of your points i think you are generalising most of your points.(I know this is a rant i know the point is to be angry)
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With time, the points he made seems to get more legit
0 likesthere needs to be an alternative to youtube
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BitChute?
0 likesyep.
0 likesUghh..even the layout was better :(
2 likesWhat is the movie clip at 1:15? I have been trying to find this movie for ages and I haven't seen it since I was a lot younger.
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The Matrix.
0 likesIt's too late for youtube now. Nothing but a miracle can fix it's state. Eventually it will die but not instantly. It'll be a slow and painful one
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Or it'll just be a 'ad app', basically promotion of big bois
2 likesI feel like this is beginning to change either that or what I watch has changed so much that I don't get recommended shit anymore and I mostly get recommended quality with the occasional shit.
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How? I can't find any good animators like the ones back in yesteryear
0 likes@Doom58I mean the algorithm is better at giving me good content, YouTube still doesn't financially support certain things very well like it used to so shorter high quality stuff definitely gets cucked.
0 likes@Davis how do you get the algoritum to get you good content?
0 likes@Doom58 Doom58 Watch longer videos and certain genres I guess, I have some animation channels that I like, also I get tons of history videos and longer documentary style videos like this and I'd assume it's from watching those genres. Looking at my home page I found a historical video from a channel subscribe to and haven't watched, I got a video from a small Youtuber I subscribed to and another 2 videos from 2 moderately large channels I subscribed to, one just yesterday. And I usually end up living these videos.
0 likesEdit: looks like all my recommended except one is my subscription, and this 1 video is from a channel I havbe never seen before.
Think of YouTube as nascar, then you will see it
0 likesYouTube isn’t about you anymore, it’s just Tube now
2 likesWell behind the meme is gone now so... thats good?
1 like8:51
0 likesTake a wild guess who has ADHD
big fan of all the wish you were here references
0 likesAnybody remember pikachu on acid
2 likesIt’s become so corporate. Money is the main goal of people who wanted to become YouTubers now instead of wanting to show off your passion.
2 likesBeginning of video: YouTube poops
1 likeEnd of video: YouTube is poop
I miss the old YouTube, when people didn't steal the same opinion from each other to stay relevant, or write the same comment someone else wrote in hopes to get more likes. Our world is approaching a dark age.
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YouTube was always crap
1 likeNow that is debatable.
0 likesCanthro the Canthro And even now, there are only embers...
0 likes"Our world is approaching a dark age" because of "stolen opinions and likebaits".
0 likesMy dude, get off this planet.
this should be renamed shrek has swag 5
0 likesThis man speaks truth
11 likesHe warned us. It’s too late.
0 likesThis video is pretty much in my understanding a short documentary about a YouTube, not just a video rather an essay into how much they at google truly cared about the epsilon’s down below them at the time. It would probably be a good idea if a part two was made but it’s unlikely that will happen because it’s been almost two years and it’s wore out its welcome to a certain extent
6 likesEither which way these days it’s preferable for google to cover there tracks up with freedom of speech and that often leads to insult and injury towards content creators.
Despite being two years out of date I still think it’s one of the best documentary type videos on the website
(Yes I might be a bit late to the comment section party but at least I remember it when it was stuck at 1,000 views )
Thank you EmpLemon! You have nailed it this time! You have inspired me to start experimenting with new ideas if I ever start uploading videos! Thanks!
8 likesI still find it absurd that those Fortnite highlights have millions of views while there are completely original sketches with no more than a few thousand views.
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yeah this is the main reason why i only use youtube nowadays for music
14 likesLong time no see, friend!
7 likes@Taser Tag Someone could shoot a reality TV show with your name idea you better copyright Taser Tag lol
8 likes@Your Neighbour Thanks! See you sometime soon!
3 likesOy vey
3 likesTaser Tag. I love that name.
4 likes@Tappajaav same
1 likeThanks for the reminder
1 likeNo problem
1 like@Gazda Alimpije you got a good profile picture aswell
0 likesThere are poor small good content creators that get like 20 views while fucking Fornite gets 500,000 views.
4 likescough cough door monster cough cough
1 likeThis video was made before Fortnite Battle Royale was released. Oh god, EmpLemon was right that this website was declining.
2 likes@Your Neighbour Nice
0 likesThis could be sort of fixed with some kind of youtube worker's union
2 likesDid I hear 19-2000 by Gorillaz?
2 likesI watched the whole thing. Billionaires like Bill Gates could restore this, they could also restore club penguin.
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but they won't cuz money
0 likesYou should be able to like and dislike the ads
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0 likesIf you need any more proof, just look at the featured/popular/trending section that Youtube has.
9 likesIt is either movie/game trailers, Top 10s, Reacts, lets players, unboxings, talk shows, and generic music videos.
I admit it has gotten a lot better than a few years ago where it was all toy channels. But if you are new on Youtube that is exactly what you see. You don't see the few good content creators out there, you see the people that spam out videos like they are nothing but a generic formula to maximize the length of videos with minimal effort.
Everything good eventually dies, hopefully we all move on from youtube to something better so the cycle can start again
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To add, its almost as if Youtube is turning into TV. (said this before watching the whole video, i could only afford to watch half an hour)
1 like12171010011010 I personally think we are in too deep in YouTube to leave it. I have tried many other sites but they aren't just the same and kind of clunky.
0 likesThanks for this video mate. I know you probably won't read this comment, but if you are, then can I say thank you. I know that I'm an intelligent person and I feel like YouTube is no longer something for people to be challenged with, or somewhere where you can be entertained and feel happy. Now the content is so shit I feel like I could do way better than the retards making millions and I'm not even an adult. I am one of those people that has the attention span to read really long comments, to watch really long videos and the challenge my brain, but there is such a scarcity of this stuff now. I do watch mainstream channels, I do watch stuff in trending but I hate it. I can't find anything good here anymore and I'm loosing the creativity, intelligence and spark that I used to have. I am amazed at how millions of people can watch these same- mind numbing videos. I don't know wether they like it or hate is as much as I do. And I will never really know.
6 likesYouTube isn't the only thing that is being affected by this epidemic. There are so many other things, music, news, even fucking adverts that are becoming bland, uninspired, easy to make and easy to understand. I feel like everything around me is targeted to idiots. No one in the entertainment industry is willing to step out of their confit zone, their routine, to make something original. No one will take the risk to do something different. And if someone does- if someone has the balls to make something good and original- most people will love it. Then it will be milked by companies and make it shit again. This is due to cowardice and only caring about money.
My dad works is market research- his job is to calculate exactly what the masses want. He knows about how anything new has to be tested and nothing about entertainment really cares about the individual.
This all sickens me. Just like it sickens you. And I know that pretty much no one will be reading this comment- or even reading it this far in- but if anyone is reading- I hope you can agree with me.
I want to work in the entertainment industry to bring creativity and to show how a bit of risk can pay off- but I know that if I were to ever try, everyone would stop me and I wouldn't succeed because in the end, everything is about money. No one cares for anything else than money. That is the sad truth.
Thanks for reading this.
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Ditto man, I feel ya. I read the whole thing, and I agree that everything around us is just... Clickbait. Take mini... Minio... sobs FUCKING MINIONS for example. The new Despicable me isn't even Despicable me! It's HEY LOOK AT THIS WE HAVE MINIONS IN THIS MOVIE HAHHAHA LOLLOLOL SO FUNNY GO BUY OUR MINION STUFF. And the worst part is... IT FUCKING WORKS.
3 likesIt makes me angry beyond any reasonable measure...
YouTube has been on a downward spiral for a long time, but I think that the COPPA stuff might be the final
3 likeschapter to YouTube as a platform. Think about it, over the past week content creators have been worrying
about this because of the vague terms that define "children's content", and how the new bot that will ultimately
determine if your videos are child friendly or not. Also the fines from the FTC if they think your content doesn't
match what your saying it is.
It's not surprising that EmpLemon was able to predict about YouTube getting worse from the day of this video
being uploaded to now. This video still holds a great deal of water in the discussion about how YouTube has
continue to have gotten worse 2 years later.
Ultimately it's still up for debate on if YouTube is going to survive the enforcement of the updated
version of COPPA in January 1st of 2020. As quoted from @Ryuko_OVA's comment "COPPApocolypse is coming soon.". All we can do is wait until the start of the new year to see how things progress then, and see what the state of YouTube will be like in the new year.
try to type the chinese characters for "communist bandit" and your comment will be instantly deleted.
1 likeThis video autoplayed after a No Man's Sky video. Isn't the algorithm great?
0 likesyour videos honestly deserve to be on trending. people need to see this more than shitty cringe compilations and mine craft let's plays.
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Tanukii but they won't be because EmpLemon can't afford to bribe Youtube to put his videos on trending.
4 likesI know it's so sad
0 likes"A lot of creativity and patience."
3 likesProceeds to make the YTPs that typically are comprised of only distortion effects, sentence mixing, and ear rape.
"CREATIVITY."
Seriously though, I'm just giving you a hard time. I love your content, old and new, and I realize how much work it takes to create it, even if the result is utter nonsense (which is why I love it). I mean if it takes gaming YouTubers who do somewhat significant editing 3-4 hours to edit their videos, I can't imagine how long it takes to edit together your YTPs. Especially with all the effects you use. The amount of time you spend on each video must be near unfathomable.
Huh. I if I've been making Youtube worse, I guess I'll just stop feeding garbage channels by just stop watching Youtube.
0 likesThis is why I watch youtube with adblock; as much as this hurts the youtuber, it hurts youtube more. It's gotten real bad in 2020, and this vid is still relevant. We're getting better at giving the source of content being shared elsewhere (or call them out if they didn't.) Worse yet, this isn't just localized here on youtube; EVERY SOCIAL MEDIA IS SHIT! But, as someone who wants to make content, I'm going to use twitch, but I'm not going to follow trends; I'm going to play the games I like when I want, and commentate the way I want, whether that be by myself or with friends. But, anyways, you gained a sub today, keep up the good shit!
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We need a good subreddit for taking youtube down without the idiots of r/youtubesucks that complain for the wrong reasons and spread lies
2 likesnot sure why you'd bother doing that as YouTube isn't exactly profitable for Google...
1 likeMaybe youtube could make a small channel trending page
0 likesYou just inspired me to unsub from Davie504 and MasakoX.
1 likeI don't like people who swear in videos. I was watching a video, someone in the video said the N-Word when I was in public transport. I don't like shitty lets plays, I used to watch them, now they're garbage. Top 10s are not fun to watch, it's just seing as you greatly explained, someone mixing stuff and making it to the 10 minute mark. I'm more into music, horror genre gameplays (Only from one guy) And adicted to animations or documentaries, or both of them mixed together (I love your Dale Earnhardt video btw...) And Possibly no oned cared about the video you spend days making. Thanks for taking me into the dark truth of YT 👍
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Use headphones then
0 likesContent Cop - YouTube
0 likesCataclysmic event you say
0 likesDear Emplemon,
117 likesThank you for apologizing to BTM.
This hate has gone too far.
Telling someone to kill themselves because he is a normie is just uncalled for.
Behind the meme is unoriginal sure, but he doesn't deserve this shit.
Thank you for being a man and apologizing to him.
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TheVideoIsTheKing i feel like he got whats coming to him but lemon shouldn't be the icon to btms attack
18 likesPooDoo DrillDick I know that he shouldn't be the icon of his hate
6 likesBut he accepted that it was partially his fault and apologized
TheVideoIsTheKing dear god, why are On this part of YouTube? “ don’t tell people to kill themselves” good god man, let us have our fun, while you and your Normie lit fam squad have your fun.
1 likeIn all serious-ness, please do not tell people to kill themselves seriously. It's just not funny and it's harmful not only to the people you are hating, but also yourself and the community. Just stop. I don't care aout your age.
0 likesmarkiplier has said that he watches youtube poops all the time, wish he'd shout some out
0 likesDownward Spiral
2 likesMeme war!
0 likes3 fucking years later and all this shit is still relevant, at this point I believe nothing will change, everything will he the same or get worse here, and there's no fucking competitors, people are fucked here forever
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We need to migrate. Spread the word about Vidlii.
0 likesI can definitely relate to this. I've been trying for nearly 3 years to get off the ground, but nothing seems to work. I put out quality, weekly content but my videos still get hardly over 500 views.
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Furby Man Your videos don't get too many views because you've restricted the content you make to a very niche subcategory that many can't enjoy. Open up your channel and create diverse content.
0 likesYeah, but the problem is that there are many other people who make content similar to mine, and they get 10x as many views as me.
1 likeThe problem is that YouTube barely puts my videos in the related videos section. I've only ever seen my videos appear in the related videos of a few videos. The only time I get any sort of views is when I follow a popular subject, but I don't want to do that.
Furby Man Well I don't have answers to these problems, the only thing I can suggest is to produce as much as possible to get better quicker and maybe you'll gain popularity.
0 likesI think YouTube shouldn't be relied upon as a source of income unless your popularity is already firmly established.
That said, you should still continue to make videos if you love doing them, because people will always recognize passion and appreciate it.
Alright. Thank you for the advice.
1 likereally trying to get beyond that 10 minute mark smh my head
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@demmp do you even know its a joke
0 likesDOWNWARDS SPIRAL
0 likesWatches entire vid
2 likesGoes straight to Tiktok
The Kitty0706 made me warm and fuzzy inside. I wonder what he'd be doing on youtube if he were here today
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One can only imagine.
28 likesI didn't know he was gone until I first discovered Team Fabulous 2..feels kinda bad that I wasn't in his audience before.
62 likesHis vids will live on at least. Remind people of a better time of youtube.
41 likesi heard that he died :(
3 likesYeah due to leukaemia
6 likesAmen my man
0 likesIt’s a damn shame that the world took him away from us so fast. He could’ve been so much more. He could’ve done so much more.
19 likesIt sounded like he enjoyed his works, and put his heart and soul into it. And so many people loved him.
What the hell can you do, though? Fuck, I feel bad now.
He certainly did. I remember on the memorial video to him (I think its on DasBoSchit's channel although I could be wrong) One of the people talking in it mentions how Kitty hated being in the hospital because he had no access to his computer so he couldn't do any animations.
31 likesHe'd probably be making more animations. But more random and actually even better than Team Fabulous 2.
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2 likesHe probably would’ve left or been indirectly removed by YouTube’s format...
0 likespapertrain saving YouTube animation but he doesn't need to see the laziness of Storytime animation channels I think he'd faint
6 likesmay that magnificent bastard rest in peace, he will eternal be missed
3 likessucks he died
2 likesWesker rebirth yeah he would of probably die by that if not by lukemia
0 likesWish animation was popular on YouTube again now it's either commentary or storytime videos and it sucks
1 likeAs someone who personally knew the guy; he definitely wouldn't have given a shit about the state of YouTube. He avoided drama like the plague and laughed off shit that sounded retarded.
5 likesRest in Piece
0 likescrying
0 likesBill Clinton on Elliot Goes To School: "Woah woah I smoked to many DOOOBIIIIIEEESSS!"
0 likesIf he was still around, which i would really fuckin enjoy, i think he’d end up like emplemon did. someone who put all their heart and soul into something for a long time, but eventually switched over to a commentary and rant style channel.
0 likes@Theblaster125 RIP
0 likesI'll leave an F to respect him. (The one time I don't use this as a joke.)
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Today i nostalgia'd hard and saw a bunch of lego stop motion animations, which is a genre that is almost dead at this point, and i struggled to find out most of the old lego star wars animations i saw when i was a kid, way back in 2007~2009... Feels bad man :(
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Joseph Manuel right there with ya man
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1 likeBTM was good for one thing: allow a chance to attack him to change people's views of YTPs
6 likes14:18 lol what was with that random jpg of jon?
0 likesThe more i watch this video, the more i realize how true you are. I'm kinda ashamed that i am subscribed to WatchMojo, cause you put up a lot of valid points about Youtube and their crappy channels. Thanks for telling the raw barebone truth man. I'd honestly want to have someone tell me something I'm doing wrong so i can fix myself, besides having some shitty youtuber telling me to subscribe to their shit channel. Thanks man, and keep up the great work. EMPLEMON IS THE BEST!!
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Steinsline Ok Call me whatever you want, my dude. But ultimately, I'm just another guy who just likes to watch good Youtube. But thanks anyways. I see myself more as a Lion, in my opinion, at least IRL.
5 likesIf Anyone Want the old youtube back then DOWNLOAD F**KING VIDME
0 likesSteinsline Ok What made him sound like a sheep?
0 likesThe only fix to youtube is... do your thing.
12 likesno, really, do what you like. If youtube is going to implode you are going to atleast be happy you did what you liked in there. If other people follow your example, better. Do what you love, enjoy what you do. and if youtube is gonna fall, atleast you know you did your best, and that you were yourself and not some corporate toy.
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Somecooltoad Couldn't of said it better myself, my dude!
2 likesThat's not much of a fix. Truth is, there is no fix for youtube, because Google wants it to be profitable-- which it never was. And, in their pursuit of profitability at the expense of all else, they've killed the site-- or at least are well underway in doing so. The only thing one can hope for is that something better comes along, or somebody gets up enough cash to fund something better being made.
2 likesStill, it's a nice sentiment. I kinda wish more people actually did their own thing. Lord knows I miss seeing animation on here, and stuff that wasn't just background noise for more engaging activities.
Vimeo sounds promising.
2 likesim at 32 im going to sleep
2 likesHow boring of a person do you have to be in order to enjoy WatchMojo?
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You have to be the kind of person who plays mmos
3 likesValkarie Stoze Nah, most of them have a decent or great story with a combination of decent gameplay. You just need to put a lot of time and effort into MMO games. It doesn’t mean it’s boring just very time consuming. Now shitty puzzle games from the App Store however...
25 likesi really want to see someone that wears the watchmojo shirt unironically to see how predictable he is
9 likescreemyice There’s watchmojo merch?
0 likesyes
0 likescreemyice has god left the server?
5 likescreemyice no
1 likeSome_Nerd The frog soviet why?
0 likescreemyice I has none
3 likesOr badabum (is a hispanic version of watchmojo)
0 likes@L X96 More like a hispanic version of buzzfeed, but much lower quality. (I never thought I'd say that)
1 likeabout as boring as Astralis atm
0 likesI feel uncomfortable....
0 likesyt is even worse now
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Scott the woz would heavily disagree on that.
0 likesThis is emp 4 year ago this is scary
0 likeshonestly why i choose to make content on tiktok than youtube
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Tik tok bad
0 likesCongrats on a million views. This video should have so much more exposure than it does now.
3 likesfor some reason it told me this video was uploaded an hour ago
1 likeI can watch this long videos I watched I binged icarly from quinton reviews
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Eww QuintonReviews
0 likesCan I just say that the music has been completely on point this entire video. Also, well spoken.
1 likeI love referring to old YTPs as “Weegee toast pingas dinner”
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Lol same
0 likes@Doom58 Is that a Homestar Runner profile picture I see?
0 likes@epikbirb yep good old 1999 homestar
0 likesSo I've just been going through your videos (really enjoying them btw) and I have a theory. I think YouTube has either been creating multiple algorithms or allowing the algorithm to differentiate between different types of users. I doubt it's intentional on the part of management, and I think it's probably either the AI getting enough feedback to fix itself or smart engineers having good insights. I say this because I keep coming across high quality channels with a large backlog of good videos, and the algorithm is actually recommending videos from that backlog to me. I still have to scroll past vapid content, but the optimist in me thinks there might actually be some hope if YouTube is able to simultaneously give the normies their bread and circuses while still preserving higher quality channels for people that are interested. I don't know if / how the problem of introducing new channels of the same type could be fixed, but hey, it's at least some progress.
0 likesYouTube is gonna turn out in one of two ways. One is that this extreme business shill gets to the point where everyone sees past their get rich quick scheme, and it'll be their downfall thus the site viciously losing relevancy. Or learn from their mistakes and incentivize to take critical feedback. Extensively rework the algorithm taking cliff notes off of the older variants. Include an extensive audience rating instead of just simply having: "Age restriction" I'm an adult and prefer to watch mature content. The way YouTube is going will probably cut out mature viewers extensively.
4 likesMaybe they should do it the way Valve does its store page. Exclusion means less profit but to a reasonable extent. (Referring to pure asset flips as surpassing that "reasonable extent")
and now the COPPA issue is a thing LMAO sorry emplemon, it seems like youtube was the hero to the common video creator that lived long enough to see itself become the villain
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This whole COPPA thing wouldn've ever happened if YouTube and Google wouldn've stolen kids' data.
1 like16:54 I love how you applied visual filters to the new YouTube logo to show its demise, even though it's forbidden in the YouTube press kit.
1 likeThis Video is still a well edited and very well written Masterpiece.
2 likesThe worst thing i can take away from this Video is that Youtube somehow has gotten even worse.
Great there are still good things and YouTube. And honestly, for me the Algorythm works actually well. Got linked to this video for Example and found a lot of my favorite Channels - None of them do let's plays, "pranks", commentaries, or the worst of them all, reactions. Many of them make a living of YouTube, but oh boy, I wouldn't wanna switch, because since they don't make effortless Bullshit, it often takes weeks of research, experimentation and all fo that Nonsense to make a single Video. It often takes them all in all 50+ hours for a single fucking video.
2 likesTherefore I am really really not mad, that all of them rely on Patreon and at least most of them on Sponsorships. YouTube Clicks alone can't feed you and your family, if you do quality and can't shit out 2 hours of Bullcrap Content every single fucking day. Most of those good channel that make a living out of it create one two maximum two videos (only rarely more) a week, (with the work they put in, more is also not possible) with "minimum" views compared to Shit like commentaries. Seriousyl, the fuck is wrong, why the fuck is watching some Asshole reacting to some Video getting views like crazy, for the most effotless content ever?
Well at least the Algorythm is good to me there either. I have NEVER been recommendend any of the Popular Bullshit. Most of the times just shit I'm generally interrested in.
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You're lucky, I'm getting shit shoved down my recommended section's throat.
0 likesHow long until YouTube FORCES that on EVERYONE!?
TierZoo truly is a marvel of modern YouTube. Amazingly edited, researched content with a compelling concept. That channel truly is a sign that YouTube and it’s creators still has potential.
0 likesI really do miss venturing into the weird side of youtube and then conversing with others who also fell into the hole in the comments.
3 likesIt was really something special.
What an awesome video. Keep up the great content.
1 likeHonestly one could draw many parallels between the current state of youtube and many other big tech companies. I started independently contracting for an unnamed online delivery service that I don't feel like giving out free advertising for because reasons late last year and it's been on a huge downward spiral. My workable full time hours have become part time hours and I get paid much less for those same hours as when I started. This is impossible in any contemporary job that you excel at. The very notion of being paid less year over year for doing the same job at the same level of competency is sickening, but it doesn't matter what the fuck I think because there is a sea of other more desperate and less competent idiots that will take my place in a literal heartbeat. There are other self-inflicted reasons why I'm stuck working for this shitty company, but that's irrelevant. As far as I'm concerned, these big companies that fuck over their independent workforces need to be regulated the same way the normal job market is. The content creators that are the actual lifeblood of this website deserve to be paid a bigger piece of the pie if not a majority of the pie. If it wasn't for their diligent work, this website would be completely ignored by the vast majority of the internet.
2 likesHow does YouTube just keep unsubbing me from you Emp? It's been like 5 fucking times lmao. You are still one of my fave YouTubers nowadays. Rewatching your vids are really great and still entertaining to watch. I love waiting for your new vids, it's just always a treat to find out you uploaded a new vid.
0 likesThis video has aged well. There is still a lot of good content underneath the surface. Pamtri led to a rebirth in youtube animation.
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MeatCanyon is another great animator everyone should check out!
0 likesthis is so fucking satisfying to listen to, finally someone knows what they're talking about
1 likeI love how much music from Wish you were here you used in this video, it is my favorite Pink Floyd album. Anyway back on topic, yeah as a small content creator myself I can say YouTube and its audience is getting worse every day, I can’t deviate from my old content (which was basically me copying other channels) without losing my audience, and once I lose that I have to go to square one, and once you’re there again, if you have become unique enough, you will be forgotten and you will never get back up without bending to the algorithm.
1 likePersonally I've always wanted to make a channel where me and a few of my friends just play some games and fuck around, basically what we already do for no reason other than I wanna see how fast our humor gets taken down
0 likesAt this point it’s not even YouTube that’s fucked. It’s the whole goddamn internet. Not gonna lie, I wanna find an alternative to the internet where we have much more freedom than here.
7 likesAnybody got any ideas?
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It sucks. I agree with you.
2 likesTo be honest I've found the best thing to do is look for old and obscure forums. It depends on your tastes but, while these are very obvious forums, start with GFaqs and Neoseeker, seriously. If you're willing to put yourself forward and try to make friends then you can make friends of friends. And you can still see a lot of old web culture in them. They aren't just cleaned up, GFaqs especially is a beautiful mess.
Its still difficult and its not the same as the old net- I know the overall problem is way bigger- but its the best approach I've found. And people there can lead you to their Discord servers and stuff which may be more agreeable than servers you find otherwise.
Also check out The Backloggery, it's surprisingly still active and easy to just find people via the front page, you can see what they enjoy by looking at their pages and libraries, the site has good profile customisation, and a lot of people will actually reply if you leave a message.
The only way to make YouTube great again is if they:
1 likeBring back the star based rating system or at least implement a system like the star based rating system,
Change the default tab to subscriptions
Change the algorithm to promote quality over quantity (I.e. View count matters more than watch time),
Get rid of the rewind or at least be more honest with the rewind,
Make sure YouTubers can see their subscriptions like their videos or rated their videos 5 stars ,
Make tabs meaningful again,
Enforce their policies equally to everyone in the website,
Add YouTube Poop as a category,
and handpick High effort videos (like they used to)
After what had just happened will you make a sequel to this Emplemon?
8 likesI’m so sick of Youtubers being obsessed with being “advertiser friendly” and YouTube itself trying as hard as it can to pander to not just 4 year olds, but the dumbest, cloned 4 year olds they can find. Frankly I wish monetizing videos wasn’t a thing so that people would make things they like and really express themselves, rather than being greedy
1 likeI make the stuff I wanna make but I don’t think people are really interested in scambaiting- either that or my thumbnails and titles aren’t attractive enough.
Emp is the Joker of Youtube. He can predict stuff that a lot of people play into and is generally seen as a funny man when he cares about the youtube s o c i e t y.
2 likesI can't believe to this day that youtube channels are still asking you to subscribe and hit that notification bell. I don't think in the over 10 years that I've been on this website have I ever subscribed to someone's channel because they told me to. I subscribed because I enjoyed their content and wanted to see more of it in the future.
0 likesI just watched a ytp for the first time in 5 years after watching them as a kid, still funny as shit
0 likesI feel like the only reason that my recommended feed isn't complete trash is because I've been using the site so heavily for so long. I've had a YouTube account since I was 9 years old, back in 2009, and while yeah I've changed accounts many times since then we all know that Google's spying transcends what account you use so they still kinda know its you, but hey that's just my theory. Basically, I feel like at this point the algorithm would be sweating to find a way to shove garbage among the type of content it knows I generally like and watch consistently.
7 likesBut yeah. New people have near zero chance of discovering actually good and original content these days. It's a sad state of affairs really, my younger brother who is 11 has been acting extremely "normie-like" and cringy lately and I feel like it's because of the kind of shitty, AI-generated YouTube content that the algorithm has been spoon-feeding him over the past 2 years. I try to recommend better channels to him (educational channels like LEMMiNO and CGP Grey I think would be particularly beneficial to someone like him) but he won't have none of it because I'm just a fat, weird "Aspergers Kid" who still lives with his parents at 19, despite the fact that I'm in uni studying CompSci and I'm actively trying to get out and pursue an independent life. I'm only 19 ffs, in this economy its hard enough finding cheap housing. He's just too lazy to seek out good content and just sits back and soaks up more schlock like Jake Paul and those fuckin reddit text to speech videos with autoplay on without clicking a single button. And always on his phone too, never in a traditional desktop setting which is what I grew up with, will always prefer and imo is just better suited in terms of design/layout to what YouTube was originally all about. And over the years I've learned to keep autoplay turned off.
OK well this just devolved into a personal rant but hey ho that's just how it be sometimes. Like Emp said, there is still tons of good content out there. Like him, I only watch content if it's good and I still watch a shit ton of YouTube, so I still have some sense of hope for the site even in the new incoming post-COPPA era. Thanks for listening to me ramble, but hey I guess that's what we all came to this video for isn't it; to listen to someone ramble.
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He probably does not know what Aspergers is (a form of High Functioning Autism, I would know because I have it).
2 likes· This is the main reason I've hated this site and it's really discouraging to want to make my own content.
2 likesI don't want to make basic gameplay videos - despite how much I love gaming - but making something original despite my lack of skill and uncertainty only to have everything working against me makes it feel like I'm being strangled just because I want to make something people enjoy.
· Just to clarify: I'm not saying YouTube is the only reason/problem with this; I'm definitely feeding into it as well. I'm just saying that often it seems that YouTube has morphed from this small light to cherish and help grow, into this massive shadow hanging over you as a creator or potential creator.
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That's because YouTube does hinder original content.
1 likeIf you're not Jimmy Kimmel or Logan Paul, they'll come down on you.
And now they're gonna be rating videos and channels based on "advertiser friendliness."
There hasn't been a good youtube poop in years. It's all just earrape now.
2 likesGee I really like this YouTuber, I wonder if there was a way to make it easier to know when he uploads. I mean subscribe doesn't even do anything anymore. I keep having to search his channel manually. The algorithm disagrees which my choices I guess....
1 likeI like how you ended the vid with the final couple minutes of Shine on. Super awesome.
0 likesBeen using Youtube daily since 2006 and I approve of this videos message
1 likeAwesome video man! I totally agree!
1 likeThis literally still applies to YouTube now and it’s upsetting
0 likesHere's all of the chapters of old YouTUBE vs. New Youtube
1 like9:11 vs.17:08
10:13 vs.18:32
11:02 vs. 20:30
12:07 vs. 23:02
13:06 vs. 25:57
14:22 vs. 31:06
15:17 vs. 37:37
YouTube is going down when they have to advertise on their own platform for more content
1 likeit took me 2 years for me to realise emp watches jerma. Mission accomplished.
0 likesHoly fuck... did you make the Greatest Anarchy Speech(30mins) on YouTube?? Sounds like you!
1 likeLove it
i'd be able to watch game grumps if there were grumps and not one grump and his nice friend
1 likeyou didn’t have to go off on charmx bc he legit enjoys the content and gives full credit and puts in his own input
0 likesI wish there was some feature that would let me see this person's videos when they post them. It is unfortunate that I do not know of such a feature... If only I were reminded or something, IDK.
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yeah, ive been wondering this too. Maybe if there was just a button, say, a doorbell you could click to get notifications. nvm thats never gonna happen
0 likes"I watch EmpLemon and he makes good videos!"
2 likesYou are the best YouTube on this platform
1 likeBut Emp, I thought you were on the downward spiral?
2 likesI used to think YT was a silly idea and i would avoid visiting it. Now I MUST WATCH ALL OF THE VIDEOS.
0 likesMAN... i miss the "weird part of youtube" just mashing the recommended video button over and over until i was watching some half naked dude banging a metal bar attached to his crotch to another bar... or something similar, sometimes i could come across pretty need if pointless Lego inventions- and found a lot of cool channels this way
0 likesmy guy literally talking about new and old ytp and uncovering forgotten memories from the deepest darkest corners of my mind
0 likesHoly shit I heard the Genesis in the background and just assumed it was on my laptop... good taste m8
0 likesah, 2017, a time when you could say fuck in a video and not get throttled
1 likethis video still relevant in 2020 smh. its so hard for me to enjoy youtube.
1 likeyeah might need another update😳
6 likesFunny that I've been recommended this by THE ALGORITHM. I don't get elsa or fortnight, reaction videos, top 10 compilations, 5 minute crafts or (much of) PewDiePie in my recommended, I must be doing something wrong /s.
4 likesFor real though, algorithm works as intended, problem is with people, and not even that. Original audiences are still there, they are just drowned in absolute numbers and only shrinking through people growing out of it.
speaking of long videos, that's how i found your channel because i like longer videos
2 likesRemember when EmpLemon was cynical jaded Leafy wannabe... he used to be such a Squidward
1 likeHoly shit I lost it at 28:40 thats hilarious xDDD
1 like22:33 Tom Scott a quality youtuber: Couldnt agree more.
0 likesI'm very upset that you are right, and I'm even more upset that you're still right
0 likes34:58 i watch almost every video i watch to the end and this includes this one.
0 likes22:39 One is under the control of a facsist dictatorship, and one is in a trade war with Japan.
4 likesEmperorlemon:Be Inspired and amazed when watching a video! Me:be scared when watching creepypasta videos!
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Bruh you a
0 likesOkay dude as for let's plays...I don't watch any of the people you mentioned...The first gaming I watched was minecraft related...and since then I've tried to see the best of every type of video...I'm not going to succeed but I'LL TRY MY BEST!!!
2 likesJesus fucking Christ this was made in 2017? Its scary how little has changed
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Aaaaahahaha
1 like46:38 best thing I've hers on YouTube in a fat fucking minute. 👍🏻
0 likesThis will most likely be buried under many other comments (including my own comment, I guess) but if you’re reading this, here’s some recommendations for some amazing and underrated Youtubers:
2 likesTheKing35: A pixel animator who’s created the Undertale DDD series, they do high quality and detailed animations that deserve more views and love
RynoGG: A pixel animator who’s created the Underfell series, the Other Worlder series and much more, they deserve a lot more notoriety
Jimmy Davis: A highly talented Youtube Pooper who makes incredible “Poops”, you should really check them out if you enjoy YTP
Kleric: A youtuber that creates videos looking into challenges, tricks and glitches of Zelda: Breath of The Wild, if you’re a fan of the game you should check them out, their content is very interesting
Element Animation: It’s likely that you’ve heard of this channel since they are quite popular but they are popular because they’re really good animators, they’ve created many minecraft animations and have made the The Crack series
Mark Haynes: The creator of an amazing sprite animation series called Super Mario Bros. Z
I know most people won’t check any of these channels out but if you do
Thank you!!!
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Jimmy Davis is great
1 likeI haven't heard the word "normie" in a long-ass time
0 likesI only watched Buzzfeed cause of Buzzfeed Unsolved and etc cause i really like the personality on that show, The ghost and etc are just the subject but the people on that show i find entertaining
0 likesYouTube is still on a Downward Spiral...
1 likeOl Godzilla was walking around, Tokyo city like a big playground!
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Ah, the ultimate showdown... Good times. Better times.
1 likeDoes anyone know what that clip from 30:33 is from? I think I remember it in a music video or something
0 likesMy life is on a downward spiral
1 likeyou know, ytp are less funny than THOSE EDITS
1 likeAt 37:37 he is playing Achilles last stand in the background
0 likesAt 26:27 he mixes "There's nothing wrong with" and "I have no problem with". I have nothing wrong with that.
0 likesthis video made me go back and watch the ultimate showdown on newgrounds lmao https://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/285267
2 likes"Bernie Sanders Looks Forward to Beating Donald Trump" Oh boy that headline sure didn't age well! XD
1 likeIf youtube went away I wont miss it.
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me neither everything else should be taken with youtube
1 likeI watched the whole thing and listened to everything
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me too
1 likeIts gonna take a cataclasmic event-
0 likesCoppa:
holy crap so much good music in your vid holy shit
1 likeYouTube...hear me...I just subscribed to EmpLemon after watching this video...ALL 49:03 OF IT...Do I care about YouTube Poops specifically? Not really...sooo, why did I watch this and subscribe?
2 likesBECAUSE I DEMAND QUALITY CONTENT!
I am a VIEWER and I DO NOT LIKE TELEVISION...TV is formulaic, TV networks have all lost their creativity and a number of them have even betrayed their original premise...I AM one of those disenfranchised viewers that YouTube was CREATED for...it is MY clicks that drive the ad revenue...MY clicks bring videos forward within the algorithm...
It is TIME THAT YOUTUBE RECOGNIZES THE POWER OF VIEWERS!!!! I will support the channels that I choose to support! YouTube...YOU HAVE NO SAY! YOU are the provider but I am the customer...which makes ME and EVERY OTHER SUBSCRIBER OUT THERE YOUR BOSSES!
YouTube...LISTEN TO US OR SUFFER THE CONSEQUENCES!!!!!
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You’re not gonna achieve anything Google is’t listen to you.
0 likesAnd ALL of this became ascertainable just a year after this video with Pewdiepie vs. T-Series.
0 likes2020 update: RIP YouTube
0 likesI Watch this video from time to time to remind myself to care about the people i susbcribed to.
2 likesIronic how xVideos’ hud is more intuitive than YouTubes’.
0 likeshey i remember the lazer collection
3 likesI agree with EmpLemon
0 likesI really forgot CollegeHumor made that matrix runs on windows XP video. I think I was responsible for half of those views haha
0 likesOOOOOOHH, Emp stands for emperor
0 likesIf I were the person who made youtube algorithms I'd rather tell people I was a member of a racist group, I'd be less likely to get my ass kicked.
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Unfortunately in the circles' Youtube coders are around if you told them you were a Black Panther you'd be worshipped as a god.
0 likesi think i'm gonna have heart attack
1 likeIm 16 and I grew up with charlie the unicorn and all that shit, content just isnt the same anymore
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and yet no one will do anything about it.
2 likesAll we can do is archive what we like and wait for Youtube to die off
0 likesYou also put in good songs!
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Tarkus is really great
1 likeYou really love prog rock right
0 likesDon't forget to fucking click the bell
3 likesLemon Demon for life
0 likesThank god he’s no longer on YouTube
2 likesive finely tuned my vids over about 2 years. moving subbed channels to other channels.
0 likes"Just do trail and arrow"
0 likesOH SHIT THE LAZER COLLECTION HOLLY SHIT I FORGOT ABOOT THAT
1 likeAll this CM Punk makes me happy.
0 likes48:37 how very foreboding for the current state of youtube in 2019. also good luck trying to make youtube poops now
1 likeEmplemon is the best YTPer in my opinion. He should make another one
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Oh.... That's why he's not gonna make another YTP
0 likesWelp, time to move to Dailymotion
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lol
0 likesThat stale metaphor is really good,
0 likesFuck it, I'm reuploading buzzfeed videos without ads until they go bankrupt. Obviously I'm going to download them though YouTubeRed just to add felony to injury.
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They'll probably end up DMCAing your entire channel
0 likesWe need to do this now more than ever the website is a god awful garbage fire and that's being nice
1 like7:39 Hey does anyone know what the original image or video of the toilet is in. I need it
1 likeYouTube is a giant soulless corporation. If you wanna really be creative upload your shit somewhere else. YouTube is clearly not going to change.
2 likesBruh I appreciate your use of Dancing With The Moonlit Knight
0 likesCharmx bit is outdated because COPPA came for his soul
0 likesThis video in 2020 is still relevant
0 likesoh please, " all you ever do is complain "
1 likefunke and emplemon should team up
1 likeStill Spinning Down.
2 likesCan you do a video on wtf is a 'youtube poop'? Do you already have one? I have no idea what this is about, but i'm curious
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YouTube Poops are essentially videos that are designed to be heavily edited remixes of original content, mostly for comedic purposes.
0 likesI'm loving the pink floyd
0 likeswell i watch ___ and they make good videos
0 likes"obnoxious 3d intros"
0 likesas an chill intro maker this is a little offensive but ok sure
ironically your message to search for someone came to me as i found you
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doesn't make youtube animation come back
0 likes32:00 funny how outdated the video is
0 likes7:30 if you want sth to hate
1 likeOH HELL YEAH XD
And thanks to coppa youtube animation is actually dead along with a bunch of other things
0 likesEmpcord for ever 🙅🏿♂️🙅🏿♂️🙅🏿♂️🙅🏿♂️
0 likeshere is my question.... wernt youtube poops called youtube poops.... because its suppost to be a pun on the idea that they are "shitty videos" (by a pun i mean youtube poops arent shitty they are making fun of people calling them shitty)
1 likeyou're right but stay away from my boy, pyro
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Like Pyro is pretty alright but you gotta admit he's part of the problem at times.
0 likes@Nine hm?
0 likesK L A Y W O R L D
0 likesgood boy.
Do ELP not claim your videos?
0 likes28:08 comments at "me at the zoo" in a nutshell
4 likesthis is even before the whole coppa shit this needs an update
0 likesThe worst part is, literally nothing he says is even and exaggeration. I used to do this cookie cutter bullshit before I got bored and quit. We are fucking dumb asses.
1 likeI just listen to music
0 likesTheLonelyGoomba used to have the edgiest jokes, but has succumbed to time and became an example of what YouTube's algorithms are doing to content creators
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I miss the "what a douche" gag
1 likeGOOD SHIT. it's good to finally realize that I'm not going insane by thinking I'm the only one hating on every other clickbait youtuber or whatever because its "cool." I see stupid shit all the time in my feed that has NO correlation to anything I've ever watched. I even made a second account and the FIRST thing I saw was a clickbait video about some guy acting like he can levitate with "5 easy steps." And it's put me into this perspective that all the original Youtubers are gone because I'm never recommended anything half good or original.
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Codeblue6 well said brother. I hold those exact same opinions. Can't stand the clickbait/shit content anymore.
0 likesLong Video? It wasn't even 1 hour long....
1 likeDOWNWARDS SPIRALLLLLLLL
1 likeTimes can Change !
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nobody's doing anything so no
2 likes@Doom58 thats not true. go out and look
0 likes8:39 Theres a second veritasium?
0 likesHow to become famous on YouTube:
204 likes1) take a facecam
2) watch a creative and funny video of someone else
3) overreact
4) make a clickbait title and tumbnail
5) done!
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Pabelotski 1102 I can relate to that
0 likesI have a more efficient version. How to become famous on youtube:
9 likes1) Create drama
Done.
Pabelotski 1102 This one is more updated
4 likesHow to become famous on YouTube:
1) Play Fortnite
2) Done
OU Trash yep
0 likesUpdate:
0 likesReupload a video in a compilation
Done
I don’t have the prettiest face. I don’t play FFS. I absolutely hate click bait. I’m so fucked
0 likesHoly crap this is so right, and in fact it’s so accurate I discovered this a year late but it’s still as accurate as ever
22 likesWatching this video for the 100th time-
0 likesHere after the Leafy Content Cop got taken down...
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Here after got terminated
3 likesF*ck that last line at was inspiring, thanks @EmpLemon, hope you do well on this game
7 likeslittle did he know...
1 likeYoutube: To be successful, make 10 minute long gaming videos talking and yelling about something simple to understand
54 likesMe: I'm gonna write a short ridiculous song about Sloths that for some reason people love!
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To be fair, that song about sloths is pretty fucking great.
4 likesWell sloths aren't people, they are sloths. That objectively makes them better
1 likeI hope youtube (and the videogames) will have a crash, like the crash of the videogames on the 1983, because I'm sick of how youtube and the videogame community is going foward on a bad way
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Thing is, parents are giving mobile devices to their kids as a way to shut them up. What do the kids do? They watch shitty content because they don't know any better.
22 likesI believe the same thing can be said about videogames. A default father buys a console for his kid with the latest Call of Duty to have some peace. Next day the kid goes to school and tells his friends how he killed 20 people with a quickscope.
Yan Moura not to mention the fandoms on the entire internet, they're so obnoxious whit his favourite videogame/cartoon
5 likesYan Moura Some modern parenting skill that is... How much is it to hire a nanny today?
1 likeVideogames are far from crashing at this point, considering that they now rack in millions of dollars in a matter of a week or two.
5 likesI also have my doubts YouTube would crash soon considering it's got an iron grip on the video viewing medium.
But that doesn't mean we can't fight off the bullshit they've pulled off.
nothere I think that video games will crash again, namely because of how most video game companies, particularly Nintendo and Konami, have been exposed as being pretty much evil.
1 likeNever mind that many fans and critics are now blind to how many games today are dreadful, like constantly recycling the same premise (like almost all of today's Mario games - though Super Mario Odyssey looks like it will change all of that) or just relying on incredibly dated graphics, poor gameplay, and bad storylines (I'm looking at you, Sonic Mania).
R Linders actually most mario games are very different
1 likeCrispykrisp channel how much does it cost to buy a fucking toy and cable?
0 likesFrancesco Bertini Really? How are the Mario Party games different from each other? And all the Mario Kart games?
0 likesR Linders I don't care a whole lot about Mario Party, but Mario Kart constantly gets new features. But they do make some bad business decisions.
1 likeR Linders those are mario spin-off
0 likesSorry for the late reply
Francesco Bertini Agreed. Empty box made a video on how bad the sim community is getting claiming that their favorite game is the only good game out there. Need I mention the trashing of less realistic games by them?
0 likesAOR xMinxG ok mention them
0 likesyoutube is still is the same way.
0 likesOne day hopefully...
0 likesSame with Hollywood, and every social media
0 likesThis makes me want to curl up in a ball
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makes me want to jump off a cliff lol
0 likesDoom58 did you do it?
0 likesGreat video, about time someone takes the time and effort and talks about how seriously wrong the algorithm is.
5 likesYou know what? Not only is Youtube falling down a downward spiral, it really feels like the whole world has been on a downward spiral
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LeCoolFace trump becoming president is a good thing? And fucking brexit? Wtf man
3 likesPyromancer yeah dude trump has been doing some great things lately decreasing unemployment, enforcing the Mexico-USA border and brexit was good so the United Kingdom doesn't become shitty like the other EU members
1 likeI would just like to say that’s you aren’t alone, I remember the good old days of YouTube and on occasion I will even quote memorable phrases with siblings and unsuspecting friends.
23 likesI've watched YouTube since 2009, I am 13 years old, YouTube was one of my favorite sites on the internet. It's now a clickbait-y mess which most people want "fame" and want ad revenue. YouTube is a fucking mess that has become a site for advertisements and profit. YouTube has lost its heart and has become a repetitive mess of infinite laziness.
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no noah no no, I just turned 14, and I remember the YouTube videos like lego stop motion and YouTube poops
13 likesDylan Ryan Um im 8 but youtube is so cool i dont no why you guys dislike it
5 likesI actually made a Lego stop motion video in 2010. I turn 16 this October, too. I was an original watcher of both Fleskhjerta and Freeman's Mind.
1 likeIm gonna Be 14 tomorrow and I also remember that
0 likesI've been watching Youtube since 2008. 2008-2012 were the best days of my pathetic life and I'm only a sperm.
7 likesBeen wacthing since 08 as well
1 likeYeah, it just sucks. How about going to other websites where it's better than this like vidme or newgrounds where tons of talented people posting their creation.
1 likeDylan Ryan I started watching YouTube in 2011 I'm not special
1 likeDylan Ryan that is exactly what I was going to say! you even got the age right!
1 likeI'm the same way. Although I just watched Mario Kart Wii vids.
1 likeno noah im the same age and got on youtube in 2008
0 likesYeah. Now I just stick to Google+ and mspaintadventures.
0 likesA rather sensible 13 year old, also nice picture.
1 likeDylan Ryan same here man, I too am 13 and have been watching since 2009
0 likesI half-agree with you but don't toot your horn that much. I don't think you know much of anything about clickbait yet.
0 likesDylan Ryan in the mess, good content like markipler is our salvation
0 likesI'm 12 and what is this
1 likeAh yes, the intelligent watching of a 5-year-old
2 likesyoutube has been commercialized to hell, and there's nothing we can do about it
7 likesWorst part is
10 likesThat the new generation grows up with this garbage
Thinking that this is how youtube will always be
After months of listening, after countless views, after every "DOWNWARD SPIRAL", you have done it. You have finally convinced me to unsubscribe.
5 likesHEY DON'T GET MAD AT ME HE TOLD ME TOO!
So the gyst of this video is that alot of lazy videos are popular now making people who want to put in the work to not be rewarded to make a entertaining video
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That's one of a few yes.
0 likesFuck, dude. That was really eye opening.
15 likesWatched in full on 12 January 2019, half before work and half after. Video is still entirely accurate as far as I can tell.
3 likesAs much as I've been trying to get YouTube's needlessly relatively new algorithm to understand, I am still seeing majority-clickbait, grating-thumbnail-videos on the homepage.
You've validated the feelings many of us are having. Let's not forget all the features YouTube has done away with. I never thought websites would ever have less features as time progresses!
Didn't YouTube remove roughly 52 million videos a couple weeks ago?
Thank you for making this video, and thank you for being detailed in doing so, including listing the music in the description. Quite a few bits brought back memories and I am happy I don't have to ask for what music was played at a specific timestamp. But I'm sure there will still be someone who won't read the description.
Anyway, I did subscribe to you. You're now among about a dozen or so channels which fit this category for me. Much like you suggest near the end of the video, I hope to find others similar to yourself. May your video remain on YouTube for all to watch forever, so people have the potential to learn about the spiral, even if few can find you. All I know is I'll be linking to this video whenver appropriate.
Cheers.
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I watched this video when it first came out, almost two years ago. it's just as accurate now as it was then. it's sadly incredible
1 likeWho else watched the entire video? I want to know who cared enough to make it past the 3 minute mark
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I watched the entire thing from start to finish and loved every bit of it.
320 likesDalekSupremeWithCheese it honestly didn't even feel that long
173 likesDalekSupremeWithCheese No one. Not one person.
8 likesI watched the whole thing and now I'm depressed. I grew up with YouTube, back in the golden 2007-2012 era, and I miss the great, original animations, particularly from Oney and FilmCow.
120 likesI hate this vapid shit we get now, and as he said in the video, I can't do anything about it, I just have to lean back and watch it fall. When this site eventually dies, it's going to hurt a lot of people.
DalekSupremeWithCheese me
2 likesI did and i didnt expect to be filled with thinking as weird as that is to say. So many lengthy videos I've watched doesnt do that unless it's thought provoking or filled with information you have to actually listen to all the way through out. Kinda like what happens when i try to learn math.
16 likesalso the video made me feel kinda shitty, because i have watched watchmojo here and there just to see what was someone else's opinions on what the all time whatever game/genre/somethng-game-related is and is a way for me to possibly come across some game or something in a game i've played before that i didnt know about. I wont lie to say I've watched a behind the meme video before. Watched 1 all the way through, but then i open another and clicked off. The video made me feel shitty once more cuz i've been planning on uploading videos again, but I just have to not do it for popularity/status/whatever fills my ego. Reason why i stopped in the first place because i wasnt making stuff that I like, but rather something i knew would get views. Constantly a fight against myself.
14 likesFISHY GAMING yes
0 likesDalekSupremeWithCheese same
0 likesI did. Very informative and personally think this video should get all the attention it can.
9 likesIt was well-structured enough that physical length didn't matter, everything flowed very well in a way a lot of long-ass YouTube videos don't.
13 likesI watched all of it in one sitting and loved every second. There's something about EmpLemon's editing style that's just so captivating.
9 likesTears of joy because this video is so true to home, hell I made a ytp on my other YouTube channel called BiggumsRTMC Games called
4 likes"Diary of a Disturbed Child," a Diary of a Wimpy kid ytp, I had to tell my sub v sub friend with 100 sub v sub subscribers to not react to my fucking video because the last video I made was about an earrape music video for fun because some dumbass from my school made a soundcloud rap song I decided to turn it into a yt video, edit it a bit make it cancerous, but my friend stole about 70 views from me (this is a high school YouTube channel the view count is gonna be small) I got mad because his video made me feel like he is the reincarnation of jinx, because his videos consist of minecraft, sub v sub, and reaction videos. I just never thought he would react to my content, s t e a l my content.
Anyways moral of the story is I hate the spiral and I hate how I have to use the little connections I have to prevent myself from losing views.
As for the ytp I made, Greg Heffly dreams about becoming a school shooter XD
I wished I watched this sooner, this kept me entertained the whole video, that speaks volumes about this level of quality YouTube needs
6 likesI watched the whole video
0 likesI watched the whole video and it was surprisingly good.
1 likeDalekSupremeWithCheese I did and I left with a different point of view of YouTube
5 likesI needed background noise anyways lol
0 likesme
0 likeswatching creepy pasta video has made me able to watch videos hours long without breaking a sweat. That being said, I find it sad youtube's Ad friendly policies have managed to fuck over horror channels in a similar manner to animation channels.
3 likesI watched the entire thing and don't regret it
0 likesDalekSupremeWithCheese I did watch it to the end but the last 10 ish minutes are just repeating prior statements
0 likesI watched it all in one sitting. I'm used to watching 1hour+ videos such as stream reuploads or in-depth analyses of vidoe games, if the video is less than 20 minutes long I rarely watch it... Having a long attention span feels good :)
5 likesmeesa did
1 likeso far 13 minutes in
0 likesYo
0 likesalready at 30
0 likesI'm here to watch it again to let it really sink in, then im going to start a fucking youtube channel. Wish me luck.
2 likesDalekSupremeWithCheese I'm at thirty, guna finish the video, then watch it again.
0 likesDalekSupremeWithCheese ì
0 likesclicked a like and rolled straight into the comments :)
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2 likesI watched about 49:03 of the video
I did, I agree with many points of this video. I hope that one day Youtube will realize that they need to get their shit together and fix this.
3 likesDalekSupremeWithCheese I certianly did
0 likesDalekSupremeWithCheese I watched the full thing
0 likesXML5678 Cinematics Are you sure bout that
0 likesDalekSupremeWithCheese I watched it to the end
0 likesDalekSupremeWithCheese I did
0 likesMoi
0 likesNooooooorrmie
0 likeshello there
0 likesMe. Now I know because of the horsesh!t algorithm, I can't achive my goal of becoming big on this site.
4 likesI did.
0 likesI did. Been wanting to start an animation channel, and he covered pretty much all the concerns I currently have with the state of the site today.
1 likeDalekSupremeWithCheese me
0 likesI watched all of it but I didn't watch all of it in a one sitting
1 likeI watched all of it in my first sitting, and I'm pretty angry at how true this is.
1 likeCould've just liked and moved along, but I'm commenting as well. I watched/listened to the entire thing and absolutely agree that youtube's gone to total sit.
3 likesIt's worth mentioning that I've gone out of my way to teach youtube not to recommend anything from Buzzfeed and the like.
Start to end
0 likesme
0 likesI wonder how many children clicked on this video and left some type of rant XD
0 likesDalekSupremeWithCheese I watched all 49 minutes of this video! I learned a lot about YouTube's change over the years!
0 likesDalekSupremeWithCheese here
0 likesglad to know there's at least more then 500 people who care.
4 likesDalekSupremeWithCheese yup
0 likesI have and my life isn't wasted.
0 likesAt the time I a typed this, I'm at the 38 minute mark. Almost done
1 likei watched the entire video, quality content is not to be wasted.
3 likesI watched the entire thing. I have some hope.
0 likesI've watched the entire video and realized how subjective Youtube is now. Only a few years ago, Youtube had videos for everyone of all ages and tastes. Now, most Youtubers that were popular back then are only making videos targeting the younger audience. I noticed that the younger audience usually only ask for the same videos, I've never seen a comment from them suggesting something new. Now all we see are just videos related to trends.
0 likesDalekSupremeWithCheese I'm gonna watch it all
0 likesBefore I knew it I was at 39 mins
0 likesI've watched more than 10 (or even more) times brah
0 likesI watched all 49 minutes and 3 second
0 likesI watched it all the way through.
0 likesI watched all 49:03 of his truth.
0 likesDalekSupremeWithCheese I watched the whole thing too.
0 likesDalekSupremeWithCheese it was tough...
0 likesWell I already knew this was gonna happen but there is still hope it is only a rather of can society change. LOOOOOOOOL not gonna happen since we love to hide from the truth but I say let's watch what we truly like rather than trends. I also watched the whole video.
1 likeI watched the whole thing
0 likessame, and oh god I don't want YouTube to die I remember the good old days from this site. =,(
0 likesYep and as a small youtuber I'll fight back also.
me
0 likesi wach all of it, am very smart and non-fake human plz acept me
0 likes@Jeremy Borman calm down fam, they kill our moms faster but no need to call a crusade. Our purpose is to make memes for them, it's a pitiful existence but people will always make memes, and they'll always get overused by the common public.Also the era of montage and shrek wasn't as good as you think, that's just nostaliga.
1 likeme
0 likesI KNOWWW😩
0 likesMe.
0 likesI watched all of it.
0 likesI did
0 likesI've watched it more than 10 times
0 likesHere
0 likes@BURDEN this is my 8th time watching it
0 likesI watched the entire video multiple times over I'm actually thinking about changing my channel because I was trying to do gaming and whatnot I'm semi okay at it but I'm terrible behind the camera I always fuck up what I want to say
0 likesStart to finish. Enjoyed it all thr way
0 likesme
0 likesI watched the entire thing. I can't sit through even a minute of typical fortnite clickbait.
1 likehere
0 likesI cared to watch and UNDERSTAND the video. I think many would watch this and let everything he says go in one ear and out the other.
3 likesI’ve rewatched about 5 times now.
0 likesemplemon is love emplemon is life i watch all his videos all to the end
0 likesI did
0 likesI've watched the video several times now. When I first watched it in 2017, I did it bit by bit (had some stuff going on that day so I had to pause it a bunch of times), but still watched all the way through and thoroughly enjoyed it.
0 likessome parts of the video I can quote word for word
1 likeMe, it was pretty good
0 likesI watched this entire video at least 3-5 times
1 likeI did
0 likesWatched this 3 times
0 likesas a normie, i thoroughly enjoyed it but made me kinda sad because i remember watching charlie the unicorn on my ipad. :-(
0 likesthis is my fourth time rewatching it. And yes, the entire video.
1 likeme and i rewatch it as playing game as it play in the background.
0 likesI'm always logged out iirc but I do fully rewatch it once in a while. I was just logged out and just did it again. Good video great music
0 likesmeeeee
0 likesme i believe this too
0 likesthree times now 👁👁
0 likeswatched it three times now
0 likesI did!
0 likesI watchted 10 times by now
0 likesDalekSupremeWithCheese It really speaks to me, how everything has changed into stale content, revolving around everyone’s brain cells committing suicide every time they click on a stupid video. I only hope for change in the future...
2 likesNot once, not twice, but thrice!! AND counting
0 likesI've watched it more times than an actual movie. ._.
2 likesI watch all of his shit from start to finish what you saying bruh
1 like6 times & counting, had to show it to some of my homies
1 likeI watched it all.
1 likeThis video is so good it didn’t even feel that long
2 likesI did
0 likes9th hit - I get something new out of it each time :)
2 likesI watched the whole video two times in a row. As a small YouTuber I needed to see this. EmpLemon is what this site fucking needs.
2 likesIve watchrd this vid at least 3 timem emp reminds me of YT when I was a kid and I miss it. I saw Potter puppet pals. Charlie thebunicorn. Daneboe. Ashes retarded adventure the lazer collection
0 likesOh, I certainly watched it all.
0 likesme
0 likesEmplemon should really be a public speaker. The ending really stuck to me about how I should watch actual content instead of the crap every channel pumps out everyday.
1 likeMe, all 49 minutes and 2 seconds of it. He said some things that I agree with and sort of already knew. Like how Youtube caters too often to simple-minded things.
1 likeWell obiously a ton of people. If you dont like the content dont watch it. But shit content should not ignored.
1 likeme :v
0 likesthis guy's my daily podcast
0 likesyes
0 likesI watch this 5 times every day
0 likesme
0 likesI watched the whole thing and it was so honest and true
1 like1/500th did
0 likesThis is my 5th watch because
1 likeA. Good video
B. i personally like content thats not 30 min of reddit or gaming videos
I watched the whole thing many times
0 likesIv seen this atleast 20 times all the way through
0 likesI sure did
0 likesI have re-watched this video a couple time just because Emps videos are actually fun to watch and also because I have no life
2 likesi did :)
0 likesI did. Lemon makes good stuff. Worth it.
0 likesI watched it whole now make sure to-
0 likesyeah I’m not gonna say it
Every last second.
0 likesi watched the entire video
0 likesMe, comment from 1 year ago.
0 likesthe first parts are pretty boring and i clicked off the first time i watched so few days later i clicked again and i loved it and watched all.
0 likesI do.
0 likes0 ͜ʖ0 I agree!
0 likesI watched it aller bro
0 likesI swear I have seen you before.
0 likesThis has so much history that I watched it. I completely relate to a lot of it because I was a child when I saw YouTube growing into the cesspool it is today. It was a genuine experience
0 likes@BURDEN I also watched the video all the way through
0 likesI really cared and watched the entire thing and I really loved the part of 47:48.
2 likesMeeeweeeee
0 likesI've watched this like, what, five times now?
0 likesI could only make it to the 49 minute mark, such boring slock.
0 likesDalekSupremeWithCheese 40 minutes in and I’m just now checking the comment section
0 likeswatched the whole thing the site has got worse.
1 likeI did
0 likeshere 2 years later
1 likeMe
0 likesMe
0 likesThe entire thing was great and very eye opening about the past and the future of this platform
1 likeme, more then once to.
0 likes@Incogneko Try Newgrounds, not much has changed there. Animation is still prevalent and pretty good.
0 likesI did!
1 likeMe and i also unsubscribed
1 likeI watched every single second
0 likesMe
0 likes...you dont know how many times i watched the ENTIRE video...
1 likeI watched the entire documentary on the wild Youtube Algorithm...
0 likesI watched it so far...idk 3 times?
0 likesMe.
0 likes45:55
0 likesi watched it several times as background
0 likes49:03 in length...stayed for each and every second...not looking back...now subscribed...
1 likeYOUTUBE FEAR ME!!!
i did
0 likes@Incogneko dòn't be depressed just be neutral and D O SOMETHING ABOUUT IT don't be sad anr do nothing you just doing what emplemon says
0 likesDalekSupremeWithCheese this is like, my 4-5th time watching this
0 likesi did
0 likesThis is my third time watching the full video, the cut scene AND reading the comments bc I can't find better stuff on this goddamm website
0 likesI always watch the entirety of these types of videos.
0 likesme
0 likesIncogneko I watched youtube during a different golden age, corresponding to the golden age of animation. The golden age of minecraft. I started watching in 2012 and am still watching today.
0 likesI've watched this video and many other videos about 2 times each, it's like watching re runs, the videos are great
0 likesI made it
0 likesYou know I used to think I was a normie, but thanks to this video I remember that I too grew up watching Charlie the unicorn, clay world, and the lazer collection
0 likesi'm
0 likesme
0 likesI watched it to the end. All of it. I agree with him and I hope you see this because I care
0 likesMe and I love it
0 likesRight here.
0 likesMe
0 likesOh yeah, watched it to the end since I got nothing better to do
0 likesHere here, I'm so surprised one of my favorite poopers growing up is capable of stuff like this, it's awesome
0 likesWhy is this the top comment
0 likesI just watched it in 2020, and the downward spiral is still accelerating.
2 likesTheodore Baker as our boy Emp puts it, there is no escape from the spiral, and they’re aiming for the fucking bottom
0 likesme
0 likes@Cryo Ape thats what we call a conclusion bud
0 likes@Cryo Ape thats what we call a conclusion bud
0 likesSecond time I’ve watched start to finish
0 likesWatched it a 3rd time now. It's still completely relevant.
0 likes@Kb Me
0 likesI’m cultured I watch the full vid every time
0 likesMe ! Emp rox
0 likesMultiple times.
0 likesMe
0 likesMe
0 likesI've watched this video all the way several times
0 likesI watched the entire thing, I feel like your comment is sarcasm with how he talks about people who complain about how long it is.
0 likesDamn, it's like you know me
0 likesI watched the whole thing, now that I recently discovered this channel. I'm so affraid of clicking on anything that isn't my usual (subscribed) stuff that I fear the algorithm is going to shove down my throat any pos available in the front page. I also started questioning wheter I'm really watching good content in Youtube, even though the channels I follow aren't celebs or corps (a.k.a. LazyPurple, Taliesin, Hazelnutthy, UncleDane...)
1 likeme
0 likesme. This stuff is amazing
0 likesMe
0 likesMe.
0 likesvancevsthemachine ok lameo
0 likesI love videos like this, so you bet I did.
0 likesI think I’ve watched this video more than ten times from the start to the end now
0 likesWatched til the 48:39 mark
0 likesDalekSupremeWithCheese i keep rewatching this video i love it
1 likeI've seen this video 3 times today
2 likesI watched the whole thing and it was great
0 likes"Snow halation, doing what you love out of your own heart, not anybody elses."
5 likes-Chad Warden
2020 version
0 likesYouTube switched from being a meritocracy to an oligarchy. Kinda like real life.
28 likesYoutube hindsight 2020
0 likesSadly this video will change nothing because the only peoples that watched this video to the very end are already watching only quality content.
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DreamHax it's a shame really
11 likesi feel it too
2 likestrue
0 likesindeed.
0 likesIkr? It's severely depressing.
1 likeWhat WILL change shit is the competition, which will scare YouTube into changing shit for the better.
2 likesGoogle has gradually taken the "You" out of YouTube. It has slowly morphed into becoming, simply, "Tube", simply television.
4 likesI've never seen a product with so much potential get so misused. It's actually sickening to think about.
If anyone is looking for good modern-day content that has been hidden from sight by YouTube, might I suggest "Literally Hitler" by YouTube animator Joe
0 likesthe status and general progression of youtube, in my opinion, represents culture as a whole. there was a time in western civilization where you were consistently told throughout childhood and adulthood that hard work pays off, and were not only required to put effort into things, but outright *required*. if you didn't put any effort into anything, you would be broke, homeless, and barely scraping by. there was reason to do work, to put effort into things, and any average joe could be better than an average joe if they put the time and effort into doing so, even if what constituted an average joe continued to go up and up.
4 likesaround the same time that non-effort began being rewarded almost as much as effort, and the people who looked to be successful got punished for it, we ended up with the same situation we have now on youtube. a stagnant group of elites who learned to abuse the now-butchered system of effort-reward stay at the top while anyone who wants to get to the top by their own creative thinking and true, honest to god elbow grease are stomped down by the systems in place specifically designed as a misguided attempt to level the playing field for everyone. and now that those people are in power, and get REWARDED for their LACK OF INGENUITY, what can the commoners do? nobody outside the little circlejerk of elites can influence the system, nor can they influence those who can. the poor stay poor and the rich stay rich.
that's not just why apple, microsoft, and sony have been at the top since the 90s. it's also why watchmojo, buzzfeed, and arguably pewdiepie have been at the top for far too long as well.
loved the elp
0 likesI know this is old, but A-FUCKING-MEN
0 likesRuin has come to our website. You remember our venerable Youtube, opulent and imperial, gazing proudly from its stoic perch behind the screen? I lived all my years on that ancient, rumor shadowed site, fattened by decadence and memery. And yet, I began to tire of... conventional content. Singular, unsettling tales suggested the Website itself was a gateway to some fabulous and low effort content. With camera and revenue, I bent every effort towards the creation and popularization of that low effort content, exhausting what remained of our ad revenue on paid editors and quality cameras. At last, in the salt-soaked crags beneath the lowest foundations, we unearthed that damnable algorithm of antediluvian evil. Our every upload unsettled the ancient earth, but we were in a realm of repetitiveness and normies. In the end, I alone fled laughing and wailing through those unchallenging videos of inoffensiveness... Until consciousness failed me. You remember our venerable youtube, opulent and imperial? It is a festering abomination! I beg you, return home, claim your ad revenue, and deliver our website from the ravenous clutching shadows... Of the Darkest Content.
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That's a nice speech you got there my kind sir. And I like to say that your comment has given me a simile to a Dystopian Cyberpunk future where you can't say anything. Kind of similar to Nineteen Eighty-four by George Orwell or Charlie Brooker's series, Black Mirror.
2 likesSloth i miss gangnam style
0 likesSloth i miss gangnam style
0 likesSloth i miss gangnam style
0 likesI GET IT, nice job
2 likesSomeone needs to make a mod that replaces all the characters in Darkest Dungeon with YouTubers. Final boss is YouTube itself.
2 likesOMFG
4 likesstanding ovation Bring back the 5 star system and get rid of the algorithms. Bring back CREATOR FREEDOM. Make Youtube Great Again!
6 likesi remember back when i first watched this video a year ago and instantly subscribing. 1 year later, it is still therapeutic to watch.
10 likes7:33 - 8:22 is the truest shit. In my opinion, YouTube has generated more content focused on ad-revenue, rather than creativity. So much clickbait, and low-effort content.
5 likesI know this video is like, old and whatnot, but it pretty much sums up how I feel about everything in life. Everything is like this now. I remember a time when this whole place was nothing but cranberries... And now those cranberry fields didn't just die... They were murdered...
2 likesEmplemon is subbed to uncle dane and jerma
14 likesNow this guy has good taste for content
I don't hate you. I get it. People hate or dislike things they don't understand. When someone calls something "stupid" it's their way of saying "I don't understand it" without realizing that their inability to understand it was what the problem was the entire time. I like to study things, even things I hate, just to understand them better. A lot of people tend to tell me "I hate you" right to my face and I'm okay with it, they're just words, and it's usually because I said something like, "You could have summarized that entire video in a few sentences but you got over dramatic and took it too far just for the fun of it, didn't you?"
1 likeBut I'll admit... I only watched the first four minutes before commenting......
I found you in recommendations
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The only good part of the shitty algorithm was bringing me this
6 likes@Clorox Bleach i agree
2 likesYuh this is still tru lol
1 likeThat written description you posted is just sad. Your fanboys? Really?
0 likesYeah - you're so smart and perfect. Hubris much?
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It's a reference
2 likes@Opal Oh. Well my bad, but I also hate inside jokes that are easily misconstrued by outsiders.
0 likes@Fierce Guy That's not what she said.
0 likesI should say something nice - I like EmpLemon, and his videos are really interesting. I'm a fan.
0 likesI just didn't like the self-aggrandizing/inside joke description, but that's a minor thing.
I'm subscribed to this channel - I would (and probably will) suggest this channel to others.
Some creative and intelligent minds can become arrogant, and it's something to watch out for, because pride cometh before the fall.
What is that clip at 29:01
0 likes33:53 no green simpsons? 😢
0 likesI know this is wired but if electric engineers are reading this sub to zahi hadad he has good videos on circuits
0 likesYouTube went bad as soon 2014 came
3 likes28:00 yeah nigga : V that's me lmfao. sometimes i forget the big red button even exists
0 likesI dislike every video where I get told to LiKe AnD SuBsCrIbE
0 likesPlease make an update, this shit hole needs to change
1 likesometimes i wonder if EmpLemon might be god
5 likesI'm goin make a 11 min videos of nothing and up loas it a 1000 times
0 likesi have a question and i probably going to google it after post this comment.
0 likesWhat is
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"Cringy"
emp whats good bro why are you so angry?? i watched the whole thing and i dont even get it
0 likesisn't the algorithm great
0 likesASTEROID FALLS
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like the fall of atlantis maybe.
0 likesI'm not even kidding, if you get this on the trending tab Emp, this could make a huge splash in the community. If just ONE youtube employee saw this video, they'd agree with everything you presented here
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The Supreme Meme we can only hope. . .
6 likesThe Supreme Meme employees may agree but yt won't change anything unless it gets them more money
2 likesBut even then Google would just go full Cultural Marxism on his ass and we'd be back to square one
1 likeI don't think that YouTube might look at this video. Think about Google's standpoint. They are a big company and are the biggest search engine in the world. They only care about the money and ad revenue their brands make. YouTube tries to make money off companies to stay afloat and build their success, but the community is not happy about this, and it would be IMPOSSIBLE to get the word out to a multi-billionaire company like Google. It's business to make money.
0 likesJust to address all the replies in this thread, i should correct myself in saying that this won't cause youtube to change if it gets popular, but I mean it would really open people's eyes and influence their view of the website if it did
3 likesJust here to tell you that it’s your fault that your highly efforted project was unable to cater to my minuscule attention span
0 likesI don't enjoy this tone of video. Not that I don't agree with the subject matter but when someone is getting loud and aggressive I tend to not want to continue listening.
0 likesAt least the onion exsist.
0 likesAnd now the dislike button is being removed well that's what I have heard recently.
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They were considering it let's hope they reconsider
3 likesI’m pretty sure they’re having it as an option for content creators, like disabling comments and disabling ratings.
0 likes@Dr Bright that’s been a thing for a while
0 likes@Logan Atkins Not being able to remove the dislike button exclusively.
0 likesWait do you hate gamers?
0 likes🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
1 likeLMAOOOOO IM DYING
0 likesAn other problem is ghosting comments.
1 likeEverything's clickbait now. I wish it was 2010 all over again.
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Just a random person who has a long username. Theres a site called vidlii
1 likeJust a random person who has a long username. Www.vidlii.com its old yt
2 likesSame here.
0 likeswhat's that seinfeld ytp that emplemon referrences???
0 likesIt has. And it'll just get worse.
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And worse
0 likesI miss kitty0706
2 likesI watched the entire video, all the way through, and I wholeheartedly agree with everything you said.
2 likesYouTube has become such a lifeless shell compared to what it was before. YouTube was something unlike anything anyone had ever seen before, and it was amazing because it was exactly what it said on the tin. "Broadcast Yourself". It always has been a video sharing site, but in it's prime, YouTube had something special about it. It had it's own culture, a living, breathing community of hundreds of thousands of creators uploading whatever they wanted in their free time for fun. Whether that was quality reviews of games, comedy skits or YTPs, YouTube videos usually had a high amount of effort put into them. It wasn't like TV, it was a whole new animal with faces we'd never seen. The production quality wasn't amazing, but that was part of it's charm, you could see that it was made by individuals doing it out of sheer enjoyment rather than a paycheck.
Modern YouTube is nothing but people complaining about how their videos are demonetized and how pissed off they are at YouTube. YouTube should've never evolved into what it is now, it shouldn't have become a job. Back in 2015 and 2016 was probably when this was at its peak, when YouTubers like LeafyIsHere would pump out nearly identical videos day after day, raking in millions of views that people who spent months at a time working on long projects deserved instead. Big companies and celebrities have squashed out the competition like weeds in a garden, because they're already famous. Their policy has changed from "Broadcast Yourself" to "Go Fuck Yourself".
Im sorry if my typing is scatter brained and hard to read, I am very bad at communicating with people.
jesus christ that was powerful. Ive never seen you get that mad. This was an amazing video.
4 likesI was 14 when this vid came out and I’ve been watching YouTube since 2008. I remember when anyone could become famous with a webcam. I miss the old YouTube.
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I'm guessing you started watching YT on consoles like the Wii?
1 likeOne of the best YouTube videos of all time. Thank you for making it 😀👍
1 likei've said it in another of your videos emp: you have THE BEST commentary videos around these days, bar none. Also, i'm blown away not only by the insane ammount of editing in your videos, but also the AMAZING music selection playing on the background, it's obvious you are some kind of a music nerd, noiiiicee
0 likesI know I am well late with this video, but I only just found your channel. As you kept remarking about YouTube audiences just wanting to be doped up on polished family friendly content, I couldn't help but think that a majority of the audience is children. Then I remembered I was probably 10-11 watching the likes of Charlie the Unicorn, Shoes, and Salad Fingers. I think part of it is parents letting their kids sit on tablets all day while we were only surfing the web for limited amounts of time. Companies are pressured to make content less abrasive by public and sponsors. Sad stuff.
2 likesOk so i'ma be honest... he's not wrong, i'm 16, but at the same time i love to rewatch ASDF, Charlie the unicorn or Llamas with hats, and more. I really miss the old 2009-2013 Youtube, R.I.P the creativity of this platform. I'll just add, 6 months later, that I did indeed watched these early YouTube cartoons as a kid/teen, I didn't just find them due to the video.
4 likesI actually enjoy hour long videos. It shows alot of effort and interesting content was actually put into the video.. unlike the 10 minute fluff everyone uploads just for the ads /;
0 likes28:20 calls to action significantly increas the rate at which a channel grows and gains subscribers and views. Likes and comments help with the algorithm immensely and telling people to do that makes them much MUCH more likely to do that
1 likePeople forget things Emplemon. Doesn't make em stupid, they're just not always paying attention that's all.
I remember I was 4 and I would usually go on YouTube to watch stuff. I saw all the classics, I was there when YouTube had it’s hay day. It was nice watching videos without crappy mobile game ads playing before the video started, and it was hell of a lot better without all the weird children biased videos on YouTube.
0 likesi absolutely love your taste in music
1 likeI LOVE long ranting videos! It’s good background noise for when I’m drawing and it’s really interesting seeing people’s points
4 likesOne of these days this video might just inspire me to do my own Youtube channel just to express my thoughts, opinions, and do any type of genre of content i want hmm
1 likeI was watching this and when you were ranting about youtube my brother shouted from the other room “hes spittin hard facts” 👌🏻
3 likesJust one of the many things I love that you do is include all the tf2 references, sound effects music pictures all that
0 likesHearing the Ultimate Showdown of Ultimate Destiny brought me right back
2 likesAlright, I suppose if there is anything I can do to make this site better, it's to just be more critical of the content being shoved down my throat by youtube, right? That's the least I can do to snail crawl against a truck speeding downhill towards disaster.
3 likesThis video is cathartic to listen to. Our channel started 3 years ago and we haven't even broken 100 subs. I don't expect/want hundreds of thousands of followers or anything, and our content is in a fairly saturated area (gaming), but I know there's a market for what we do specifically and I'm sure we don't do it worse than the "guys more popular than us". It's such a drag because I originally started this channel with the goal of doing charity marathons eventually (Like the Nintendothon and Platformania), but at our size, it's almost pointless. Don't get me wrong, I'm thankful for those who have noticed us, truly, and if our content is actually bad, then we don't deserve to float upward just yet until we improve. Nevertheless, it's difficult not to be disheartened sometimes...
1 likeIt’s almost 2020, so why not have an update to this topic before the new year starts, I’d call it “The state of YouTube has gotten worse, Much worse.”
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We need to keep talking about it
0 likesYouTube’s at rock bottom yet still going deeper
4 likes@Sockweed it learned to mine bedrock
0 likes@LittleMissEevee it's going deeper. Might have even surpassed hell
1 like@Elite makyr gaming probably lmao
0 likes@Elite makyr gaming It just keeps getting worse, YouTube is now putting ads on people's channels that aren't even in the Partner Program. The creators in question don't get a single cent.
0 likes@King Charlemagne jesus, youtube is way past hell
0 likesIt's almost 2020
0 likesYo turn back, things aren't as good in 2020
0 likesThis is all googles fault.
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@Clone Trooper the left has always been the peak of evil.
8 likes“So go out and be the best”
6 likesThat shit is inspirational
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don't know how especially after him saying why making anything on this website isn't worth it how do you guys get inspired by that?
0 likesDoom58 because that means there’s still people that actually care and that’s inspiring and it’s like hope basically yeah not everything is going right on YouTube but it’s not all bad just like emp said there’s still good content
2 likes1) the trend of youtube being shit/mediocre checks youtube home page in incognito/private mode is still a thing
0 likes2) I don't think this problem is limited to just youtube it's just that youtube is the most visible/extreme example of things going downhill you can look at any social media/distribution platform and you'll notice a very similar situation
just to list the ones I can vouch for going through this in no particular order
Steam
RSS(not really going downhill as being a good idea that would've taken a very high level of effort to go downhill being incapable of getting traction even though it was a pretty good idea)
Google Chrome(People have gotten so lazy that everyone is going to chrome which has given google the confidence to make it very difficult to use ad blockers whether or not you like ad blockers shouldn't be relevant the fact that they're trying to take the option and people will probably stay on chrome anyways even though it's just worse is what's relevant)
And to list a couple I can't vouch for myself/may have always been bad
Facebook
reddit(side note: if you want an example of lazy content on youtube you can go find any youtube channel that just reads off stuff from reddit particularly the ones that have a bot read the text rather than actually contribue a decent to good sounding voice at least)
also pretty sure this is less incompetence and more just the fact that in general once a certain threshold of people using a thing is reached that thing starts going downhill(as people who found nice locations and hung out at them before a fuck ton of tourists showed up and ruined it for everyone can probably attest to)
Wish I could say it's improved.
6 likesEdit: Multiple times, I've experienced glitches. You know, those things that aren't supposed to happen? I'll tell them.
NEVER HAVE I EVER GOTTEN A RESPONSE. How am I supposed to do something if I can't do it and those shucklefucks won't talk to me?
2020 prediction: YT starts moderating the damn comment section.
2021: Everyone roits at Google HQ to fucking fix retard YouTube.
Shit is actually tough to become a bigger channel when having less than 1,000 subs at least this video made me open my eyes and to get better at making content and to actually give a shit tbh
0 likesThis is why I watch channels like you and nerd city.
2 likes2011-2015 was good in terms of creative content, but I see no reason to be nostalgic about the 2007-2010-era videos, they were awful.
4 likesEmplemon is so honest and he is willing to criticose his audience, youtube, bigger youtubers etc. That's what i call respectable.
2 likesThank fucking god! someone saying not every damn YouTuber needs to reminded to SUBSCRIBE EVERY FUCKING 2 SECONDS!!!!
4 likesI have listened. I'll do you proud Emp.
3 likesWe aren't going to be able to fix this without full-on meme warfare. For starters
1 likeMake YouTube Great Again
I’m 15 and I remember when YouTube used to be great! The first YTP I ever watched was Spongebob And Patrick’s day off in 2011
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I also started in around 2011 I'd say let's try to make YouTube great again but it won't happen unfortunately
0 likesWatched the whole thing. Great job, nice video, inspiring and refreshing. Unsubscribed lol.
0 likescouldnt watch all the way through, but i see the point, youtube has been getting worse
3 likesHow in the fuck do you create a 50 minute rant and not burn out??? appreciate that you did though
3 likesHere from the second half of 2019 and you were very right about the website going in a bad direction...
7 likesThis is relevant even 2019 (and beyond), the climate of social media is downward spiral.
3 likesI love you. thanks for keepin it real
1 like38:31 Lmao the delivery on that was fucking hilarious.
0 likes17:05 dude this guy got "Homage to Patagonia" by Lemon Jelly on here. And he had Punk Floyd earlier damn this is some quality audio stimulation
1 likeThey also ripped off Spotify with YouTube Music!
4 likesThey should have made it base promotion on videos off of watch percentage instead of watch time, animation channels would do better and clickbait promotion would be avoided.
1 likeI'm so tired of seeing "Breaking News" on the frontpage everyday
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Same here.
1 likeOr seeing freaking late night shows on the front page instead of actual YouTubers.
7 likesWhat the hell does Jimmy Kimmel have to do with YouTube?
Why can’t reaction channels react to this?
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Cuz they've been dead since 2016
3 likes@m m Except for Charmx apparently
1 like@m m They arent dead, but they're dying. Just not quickly enough, they're killing other channels in the process.
0 likeswhat you've described is exactly what my channel went through and why i don't upload
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same
0 likesUnsubscribed when I heard Achilles Last Stand. Keep up the good work!
2 likes46:25 dispite the fact that you basically shat on any chances of anyone making in on youtube, dispite you listing all the ways this sight is completely fucked over and will forever be on a downward spiral: I have never been more inspired to make a youtube account and upload content again. Properly
0 likesYou and others like Vsause, Fantano, IDubbbzTV, Filthy Frank, RTGames, Proko, Schafrillas Productions and company. Thank you
No, recommending the video 2 years later is not gonna make it better, Youtube
3 likes8:49 That kid who didn't have a painting of [the snowman from frozen] is the outsider in a group of normies.
13 likesLet's make YouTube great again
2 likesI believe that youtube should recommend videos based on like-to-dislike ratio. Basing it on watch time is bad because it favors quantity over quality. Basing it on likes alone is bad because it favors more popular youtube channels without any regards to quality (a video with 500k likes but 8m dislikes would be recommended over a video with 10k likes and 500 dislikes). Recommendations based on a ratio or percent is the best, since it only takes into consideration if people liked it, and not by any factor that can be manipulated without effort (*cough cough* watchtime *cough cough*)
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Then people would abuse the shit out of likes even more. Likes and dislikes both help the algorithm. Don't make it to where one side gets the benefit.
1 likeDude that chiptune Frankenstein was fuckin rad.
1 likeAnd now COPPA is going to fine god knows how many youtubers. God bless this fucking company.
2 likesThanks for the inspiration to create more.
0 likeswooow, a 49 min video without a single mid-roll? that's a rare sight nowadays.
1 likeI would kill for the time stamps for the song
2 likesi say we get youtube deleted and archive all the old good videos that made the site good
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I’ll start working on the GMod videos, then.
1 likeboy do i remember 2011. goooood times
1 likeDamn and this was in 2017.
4 likesGod I miss the old days. Ugh. 😭
0 likeswell... uhh... this kinda killed my motivation to make anything on youtube... youtube is broke need fix.
4 likesEdit: i was half way through the video when i said this and my motivation is still kinda gone but that speach at the end was great!
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killed my motivation completely why even upload when these problems exist and make it impossible to achieve my dream?
1 like@Doom58 whats kinda funny is that a few days after i said this i uploded a video for the 2nd time ever so thats a thing that happened but you do have a point
0 likesIt's 2019, and all I can say is PREACH
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Nothing much has changed since tbh
0 likesI have an inclination that he's upset of the current state of YouTube
2 likes4:40 "I lost 30,000 men in the blink of an eye. And the world just fuckin' watched"
0 likesI may have said this under this very video, but ads keep getting worse and worse. I've definitely said it under one of your videos, but it keeps happening, and alarmingly fast.
1 likeI'm so sick of seeing ads for the lotto, the misc. kind with that tone of TV ads, ads for the dominant supermarkets here (Coles, especially, who are so fucking obnoxious, they blare their own song as an advertisement in their own stores, while you're in there, very frequently), travel ads, university ads, makeup ads, and shit. Also all of them are at much higher noise volumes than they used to be. Also the "breaking news" section that decides to slide itself onto my homepage weekly despite my repeatedly saying I'm not interested (I guess that's an improvement from seeing it every day which only took about six months of noping it off). I have no interest in any of those things. Please if I have to bear witness then at this point give me video game ads with obnoxious rock booms or Switch Online ads again. I can't turn ads off because I'm on an old iPad, so I can't use adblock or vanced, and is there even any fucking thing I can do about recommendations?
So right now I just post shitty small clips of video games I love because that's what I want to do.
But using YouTube bums out and tires me more and more. There are just select creators here who are too good to stop using the site entirely. Otherwise I probably would, at this point. I wouldn't miss posting my clips that much.
Oh yeah, don't you just love using this site to listen to rare music and then continue on in a playlist and hear some ad twice as loud as the songs?
Edit: I just checked the comments here by newest and apparently left a comment just a month ago but this rant still stands and ads seem significantly worse since even then.
jesus dude, what an amazing video.
0 likesJust throwing this out there on this old video from 2017; YouTube works on an algorithm that camgirl sites use. Think about that for a minute.
1 likeBruh, the music you use slaps
2 likesPeople were saying YouTube was the new TV back when it had all of the advantages of TV and none of the disadvantages.
1 likeI've been around since 2014, haven't uploaded once and yet I understand the situation at hand.
5 likes(by the way pause at 14:22)
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I started watching YouTube in 2014 too
0 likesI remember back in 2014 I was in my first year of middle school and I was with my best friend watching for violence on YouTube and typing mortal Kombat and I saw a legit naked Russian singing the mortal kombat theme naked
0 likes12:07 Old godzilla was hopping around in tokyo city like a bkg playground. Ah the Ultimate Showdown of Ultimate Destiny, the best crossover ever
0 likesi love you emp lemon <3
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same
0 likesdoesn't YTP require much more laborial effort than creative one. i mean sure there is some creative stuff out there but its not like poopers make their own striking composisions or epic tales right?
0 likes40:46 the sub counts have now been reduced to just a couple of numbers
3 likesThanks YouTube really cool
When emp lemon says most teens haven’t seen good content before 2012: That’s where you’re wrong kiddo!
0 likesand yet 2 years later YouTube 2019 is even worse
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its benn getting worse since 2014
1 like32:50 Please realize that MrEnter's content has gotten vastly better over time. Stop giving him the harassment he no longer deserves.
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@Jared K I don't even think his early content was that tragically atrocious.
0 likes@Jared K The Tumblr episode especially.
0 likesYeah, watch Mr Enter's Turning Red review.
0 likesThe amount of fucking saltiness in this video motivated me to watch the whole thing and pause every time shit popped up on the screen.
0 likesBreaking records again!
1 like11:03 its really hard to find quality videos
0 likesor videos that are quality AND not what you usually watch
there isnt a good number to find quality with
views mean little
likes mean little
hopefully someone finds a metric
You Emplemon. It's 2019 and YouTube has gotten MORE WORSE
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It's been bad since around 2015
3 likes29:08 is exactly why the IDW exists
0 likesDo an updated version of this for 2019
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its would just be the same reasons multiplied by 50
1 like@Doom58 no therer would ber more things
0 likes@Robby Cooper nope it's the same shitty website just worse
1 like41:00 Still happens in 2019. Unverifying channels... jesus christ where is the thought in yt hq
0 likesAfter this video I want to stay in dentistry school I chosed the right decision
1 like"Make subscribing great again!"
2 likesOkay, you have a subscription right there :)
0 likesMake YouTube Great Again
1 likeBack here after they attempted to unverify individual creator channels and abbreviated sub-counts
1 likeDude when I first started watching YouTube when I was about 13 WatchMojo, richest, and most amazing top ten took me over it was about all I watched. Ironically enough it was that animated history of Lego that the company put out, that pulled me out of my list obsession
0 likesCould do without the ear bursting volume changes.
0 likesNow imagine if this video was about his Jimmy Kimmel video instead.
0 likesYou know, to me - you were the first Channel that was addressing this
0 likesI'm a starting channel
3 likesAnd this inspired me.
I make videos for fun
And nothing else
I knew this was coming since they added ads.
0 likesDo i hear ultimate battle of ultimate destiny?
1 likeMake this the most liked video on youtube
2 likesThere are different types of ytp? That was fucking obvious!
0 likesWhat happened to YouTube, what happened to making good videos or addles trying
1 likeI tried to smash the unsubscribe button...
0 likesBUT IT REFUSED
But your part of youtubes soul.... what am i doing with me life?!
0 likesi got on youtube in 2013 and for some reason watched stuff like smosh,numa numa,asdfmovie and lot's of small channels
0 likesyou can blame susan wajiski for this madness
3 likesare you really throwing shade at johnny test cmon now not to the boi that was disrespectful
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r e p l y
0 likesFred will solve all of YouTube’s problems
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Fat chance
0 likes>asking a zombie to bite you.
0 likesOh no...
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH PEOPLE!!!!!! ENOUGH!!! IS!!! ENOUGH!!!!
1 likeOh how this has aged
2 likesMake a 2019 update, It got a lot worst.
15 likesKids found Filthy Frank's video.... not the audience it was meant for..... Kids shared them to other kids........ Kids Quoted and acted those videos out in School....Kids got in trouble and had to tell their parents where they heard and saw what they did...... The Parents Were alerted
5 likesGOD BLESS YOU TUBE.😇
0 likesWe truly live in a society.
1 likePart of what killed watching any of YTP or stuff like this is this exact kind of attitude.
4 likesI like most of your modern stuff, and I know this video old so take this purely as a vent towards the past, and do with it what you will. Just now that NOW, in 2019, I DO respect a lot of what you say even if I disagree with it.
THAT BEING SAID.
God the first couple minutes of this video is so disgustingly pretentious for the media it's discussing.
It's YTP. And ALSO like EVERY contemporary art form that ever existed, it's always full of pretentious people over-valuing the content they make. I wish people would stop putting YTP on some kind of high horse. It's supposed to be mindless humor or at best subtle jabs with the intent on getting laughs. It's not supposed to be this big statement about anything. How could it be? LOOK at it.
It's when people take in SO SERIOUSLY is when it loses all it's sheen. The part that made it good, the raunchy humor and genuinely ironic awful quality (and it is ironic) is why it was funny. It's like anyone who held Shakespeare in high regard. Nothing he wrote was super high brow, it's just assholes who make out like it is that ruin it for people like me, who just wanted to enjoy something for a little while. The steeping out of the comfort zone thing is what got me the most. All YTP at their core ARE the same. Or they are supposed to be anyway, eventually people get bored of it and that's fine. It was trendy back when it was bigger and I am sure it'll always exist in some form but, contrary to your statement, they ARE all the same. And if they weren't, someone missed the point.
I am glad the long road you took to get where you are now happened because honestly your content now is a lot better than any YTP that you ever made.
I am just glad that (it seems anyway) this version of you is probably gone for good, because the first 3 minutes of this video had the exact same feel to it as when someone tries to justify why their specific sub-genre of music hardly anyone listens to is better than someone else's sub-genre of music hardly anyone listens to. At the end of the day, it wasn't supposed to be "better." It was supposed to be for some cheap laughs and good times.
16:52 I never really noticed that text until now
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i'm wondering what the song is
0 likesWhen I think about it, I stopped watching poops because YouTube stopped suggesting it.
1 likeJim Sterling made fun of the "PLS LIEK AND SUBSCRIBE" shit...... Only to find out that it does have an effect....... So yeah there are people trained like Pavlovian Hounds that will subscribe when asked to...... Kinda sad but there's the truth.
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Guess it's a psychological thing like the 99 pence price thing
0 likesAnd around the 17:00 mark is return to Patagonia by Lemon Jelly. A lemon in a lemon yes
0 likesI make original full length movies. I don't put them in festivals or sell DVDs at conventions. I make them just for youtube. There are SOME real creators still here.
0 likesI’ve given up on making videos on my actual channel.
1 likeI was about to turn 16 when this video was made... huh
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Who cares
0 likesDSP sooo downfall
0 likesbtw best rant video ever
The star into im dying YEA BOI
0 likesWhat’s the background clip at 46:07?
0 likesAs an aspiring YouTuber thank you for this cautionary tale you magnificent fishheaded bastard
2 likesUnsubbed lol
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no videos
1 like@Dorian ikr they say there making videos but nope there not
0 likesDoom58 agreed
0 likesBro I’m still making the first one chill
0 likesI for one, love the algorithm and our great corporate overlords, hail Wojcicki!
1 likeHere in 2019 babybus is the stuff kids watch
1 likeThe most lazy thing
They rip-off nursery rhymes and add lyrics about not touching a hot pot then stretch it to more than 10 minutes
There is also toy channels cookieswirlc, tictaktoys, mandapandatoycollector, etc.
Buy toys
Play with them
Stretch to 10 minutes
Watch as the kids sub and you get money and views
This is true 2 years later
1 likeYour music taste is some of the best in any youtube video. Elo, elp, i think ive heard you play some yes at some point like god damn are we the same person?
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Mr. Skeltal by ELO do you mean Electric Light Orchastra?
0 likes@The F0x yeah, duh
0 likes@Mr. Skeltal and it only took you two years to get enough confidence to answer
0 likesi t g o t w o r s e
4 likesYou know yt used to pay strippers to post videos, then dropped rhem as ads started
0 likesS-Shadman worked on Dragonball P
1 like12:56
Another website can get popular if you get people on it.
1 likewhy is it so fun to see lemon cus all the time
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Not the point of the video
0 likesWe all need to help
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We need a reddit sub to combat this
1 likeYoutube's not like Newgrounds
2 likesNewgrounds has porn
I still like Spingebill :)
0 likes2019 hasn't been any better yo
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No shit
1 likecongrats on 200,000 subscribers!
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Congrats on 200,000 people who refuse to unsubscribe (including yours truly)!
18 likesCongrats on 25% of those people actually caring enough to watch this video, and probably 8% of those people who would watch the full video.
4 likesWhy thank you, Sanitarius. :)
0 likes34:50, TFW im watching the video in it's entirety and realizing what hes saying is absolutely outstanding
8 likes27:22 in before PewDiePie vs T-Series
1 likeI am so happy I watched this video, this reminds me when I was 7 and watching 2010 YouTube content, back when YouTube used to be fucking great.
10 likesWhat i hate the most about modern youtube layout/search is how you can't easily search old videos on it.
26 likesWant to explore old videos uploaded before 2010? You better know the names of the videos! Because otherwise they will all be buried under hundreds of newer, more viewed videos, and youtube has already disabled the feature for searching old videos.
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Vibri you can't search videos by age anymore? What the hell Youtube
3 likesAnd then once a blue moon a video with 6-10 years ends up on the recommendations for everyone and there's a bunch of comments saying "youtube what the fuck?"
7 likesEveryone right click the video, click loop, and let it play in the background and farm views until this shit becomes trending
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Yeah! Fight the SJW Sunshine and Rainbows Content! Bring back the storm of the old days of YouTube!
5 likes"SJW" is a fictional term made up by Reddit and Tumblr trolls to use against feminists.
11 likesIt still applies, though.
6 likesJames Armstrong
0 likes1. Why are you saying this?
2. It's not a fictional term, there are real people who call themselves "Social Justice Warriors".
3. Your Roblox profile picture won't do your arguments any good.
This goes far deeper than YouTube..
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It's something a lot of people don't realise.
10 likesThe concept of "Advertising" is destory creativity as we know it.
0 likesIf it weren't for money on the line, no one would care about doing it a certain way, and everyone would go crazy with finding something they like.
And in this case, going crazy is a good thing.
I just found this channel, and I LOVE THIS ALREADY!!!!
5 likesA good gaming channel is "Fitz". I know, he does Counter strike videos, but his videos are high quality and have consistent humor
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Sheriff if you like Fitz, you should check out Lichtenstein as well
2 likesA good cs go youtuber, your mad
4 likesOskarnikPL Understandable, have a great day
1 likeSheriff Kugo too
0 likesMy contempt for CS:GO leads me to automatically have a negative bias towards YT channels centered around and focused on the game. But I've watched some of his videos, I still don't like them.
0 likesSheriff Wwweeeelll.. he is kind of succesfull, But if we are talking about people who need MORE attention, SOLVIET WOMBLE!!! He's got 2 mil, yes. BUT HIS CONTENT ARE FUCKING AMAZING! His editing is simple but executed perfectly. He basically just use subtitles, but the way he uses it is amazing
0 likesDouble speed
0 likesI just want to go back to the Golden year 2009.
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SirRilic please YouTube... Go back.
3 likesUnregistered hypercam
18 likesyeah.. me too, although my YouTube account was made in 2011 i still watched videos back then..bollywood songs, gummy bear, some stuff about hippo and dog and even sonamylovelydoveykissxkiss+18 (cus i was such a sonicfanfag back then.. my fucking god)
4 likesnot to mention the FREEHABBOCREDITS2008NOSCAM(WORKING) , shit brings a tear to my eye
2008/2009 was such a great time on the internet. The creativity and lack of normies of the old net clashed with the new cheap broadband speeds available across the world.
2 likesSirRilic ahh
0 likesPLANTAS VS ZUMBITAS NIVEL 4-7
The Youtube golden era was 2007 to 2012
1 like2007 bro, The Iphone and great recession were the beginnings of the end.
2 likesThe times of watching actual good content on Youtube and Newsground. I miss it, a lot.
0 likesThe internet used to a fun and free place filled with a diversity of ideas and creativity. Then the normiees came....
3 likessame
2 likesBack when Keemstar was a racist
4 likesback when the annoying orange was a trend thing
0 likesAnnoying Orange was actually good back then before he became what he is today.
0 likesYou can use vid.me...
2 likesi was here in 2010/2011 but well, 2009 sounds even better.
1 like2005 was such an exciting time, I remember being blown away by shit like Smosh back then
1 likeMaybe a new era, with a version of 2005 YouTube with New features (channel networking, for example.).
0 likesThe me at the zoo video comment section in a nutshell
3 likesThe difference between the quality of this video and its views speaks for itself
4 likes13:00 "Backgrounds by oney and shadman "
0 likesLol youtube recommended your channel to me after watching that vid. So ill say its a win.
0 likesThe other thing about youtube is the animation channels, they try to popularize youtubers making great animations (the recent ones such as Jaiden, Odd1onesout and Timtom) but they ruin the community of these channels because the cancerous community of 10 year old kids from YouTube notice them witch is equal to terrible comments, then the bots join in, trying to scam people and its downhill from there.
6 likesOk are we actually going to start making this website good again or no? I'm fucking sick of the shit on here
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I guess the way is to go to other websites if you wanna see stuff, per example i m watching animations on newgroundd rn, it's an good chance to see talented ppl
0 likes@Mr Bones yeah but it pisses me off to see that they get no more than 2k views on a great video
0 likes@Doom58 Yeah that sucks, sadly newgrounds is a far cry from what it was in the 2000's, so i m provably among what feels like 10.000 ppl watching stuff there. (tho i m not confirming they have 10.000 ppl there, i m just saying that it feels like there is like 10.000 ppl there) It feels like (controversial opinion maybe) the animation community post Newgrounds either grew out of it and went to watch other stuff, even creating other genres inside of the animation scene or kept watching the same ppl on YouTube, for me it's really hard to see another animator becoming popular again. (unless you count story time, where i m just not really interested into story time personally)
0 likesWhen will you release the subscribe ytp?
0 likesme: oh I haven't checked the trending tab in a while!
8 likestrending tab: Fortnite Chapter 2 Launch Trailer
kinda just want to end it all
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@HALF DAY Better than the
0 likesNobody: blank
blank: blank
And 99.9% of the time it is a misuse of the format!
2:08 NOT ANYMORE!
0 likesSees Jerma on subs list i see you're a man of culture as well
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SpookyBooty B Y E A H
10 likesDESTROY HIM
4 likesSo that's why the tf2 references are there...
4 likesHEY GAMERS
8 likesSpookyBooty The best gaming channel out there.
0 likesSees you in emp lemons comment section I see you're a man of culture as well
1 likeRat
0 likesJerma is one of my favorite channels due to the fact that I love his streams, but don't have time for them, so he conveniently packages them up in 15 minute bundles that I can't stop watching and loose entire days watching.
4 likesSpookyBooty i think youtube is trying to get better
0 likesAtleast he aint star_
1 likeOr muselk...
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0 likesEmpLemon
0 likesShow this to GradeAUnderA
I just... Dont really like Youtube Poops..... Sorry?
0 likesI'll start off by saying that I agree with a lot of points in this video, but I don't like how you paint such a black and white picture of everything. I either have to agree with everything you say or I'm just a dumb sheep whose part of the problem. However, Emplemon, you are dead wrong here. This is because of me actually. You see, I happen to believe that there is an inbetween. Yes, there's the full on don't give a crap and just play by the YouTube algorithm people of Buzzfeed and Behind the Meme and there's also people like you who basically say to screw the system. However, you say that this is it, but I say it's just not. For example, I enjoy your videos, but I also enjoy occasionally watching a Watchmojo video. I do think YouTube has a lot of problems, but I like the recommended tab because, while it may not introduce me to new channels, it shows me the new videos of channels that I do like (like yours) so I don't have to look them up individually (and you might say why don't I just subscribe to them, well it's because, as of recently, I can't really trust YouTube to actually keep me subscribed). I hate the fact that all my favorite YouTube channels are getting demonetized, but I enjoy watching Rhett and Link's Buddy System. In short, why can't I enjoy both your content and Buddy System? Why can't I like using the recommended tab and still hate the YouTube algorithm for basically destroying any just-started channels chance to be noticed? Why can't I be a little bit of both?
9 likesLegit just gonna cry, I love YouTube and your like the Good Samaritan in the flesh at this point.
11 likesDownward spiral downward spiral downward spiral
0 likes8:57 "110 years old"
329 likesDamn Google's sensible age limits. All I ask for is for my birthday to be 6/9/1696.
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yes
5 likesFool! The funniest birthday is 4/20/69
24 likes@ Decoy
10 likesNo u
Hahahahahahaha 420 69 this so funny I can't hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha 6/9/69 get it
6 likesyou could just use 9/6/1969 if you really want to have le funny secks integer
4 likes@GY1415 my zodac sin is
1 likesnorf no, he does. It really isn’t funny though
1 likeYes youtube i was born during the middle ages
0 likesi only watch "memes only 1200 A. D. kids can understand" haha
You Tube needs a enima.
0 likesDownward Spiral
0 likesThe use of pink Floyd and led zeppelin songs and album art makes this video top tier
45 likesDude, your music choices are fucking awesome. Keep it up with the music and the quality content.
3 likesYouTube will be deleting comments on family freindly videos like mine in a few months. And i dont want that to happen so i say. #enablecommentsonevrything
0 likesAt least we have canned bread...
1 likegets blocked by viacommunism
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The reactions (shudders*) are still there >:(
0 likesBruh that new default "personalized" notifications don't work, never get any in my feed
0 likesDope zeppelin song
0 likesBlessed are the few who realize they're sheep,
11 likesblessed are the fewer who decide to stop.
Blessed are the few who want more than mediocrity,
blessed are the fewer who do something about it.
Blessed are the few who try to expand their attention span,
blessed are the fewer who have the will not to contract it.
Blessed are the few who ignore blatant clickbait,
blessed are the fewer who go out of their way for fresh content.
... And I'm out of ideas on how to continue this repetitive poem lol
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Poem aside, I remember fondly of the old youtube days, where back then you were able to downvote comments, and find people just being themselves and having fun. I remember when Smosh made the Pokemon video back in 2005, back when Smosh was just themselves and having fun... it was extremely rare to see VEVO and Celebrity crap, and back then it was actually cool to see that before it got too big of a thing, because otherwise the only thing we usually got close to seeing a VEVO music video was an edgy and crappy AMV with some angsty rock band song.
3 likesI have also been on youtube long enough to see the rise and fall of Abridged series, from Naruto, to Yu-Gi-Oh, to DBZ, to Inuyasha... all of the different Inuyasha abridged series... yeah, it was a bumpy road. The channels that still do them take between >1 month to >1 year to make them, because of the unfortunate YouTube Algorithm.
I continue to do my best to avoid clickbait, and only search the recommended bar when my subscriptions aren't making anything. I honestly like youtubers who value quality over quantity, because I know I'll be able to watch all their videos without getting bored. This is the only reason I've yet to Unsubscribe to the Almighty overlord of a yellow citrus fruit, because I legit enjoy all his content... and because I'm waiting until he makes frying dory before I unsub.
Downward spiral
0 likesWhile yes, Fanboy and Chumchum was mediocre, maybe even bad, but that’s why it was great. Jokes were slightly funny, the characters were intentionally annoying, and it was some of the best time I experienced while watching TV.
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I don't remember it being bad in a funny way, it was just bad
0 likesYoutube suggestion: Comments cannot be posted unless 80% of the video has been watched.
46 likesThis should decrease the average video time (to allow more people to post comments), but more importantly, you can't post a degrading comment after hearing the first sentence of a video.
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Fantastic! Unfortunately, I think Youtube is too greedy and apathetic to change that.
19 likesThen again... Who knows. Either way, that's such a fantastic friggin' idea.
Gabriel Buonomano I wish YouTube would do this
5 likesThat would fix the whole first thing.
2 likesI just came here for đøwņwąŕđ §pįřåļ
0 likesYouTube poop is officially better than YouTube
1 likeim ready to go on every Elsa spider man video and dislike it
0 likesI personally like longer videos
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How do you feel about Playlists?
0 likesI have no strongs feelings in a way or another
0 likes12:45 r/place theme
1 likeYou getting so harsh on the goldfishgaming123, he don't deserve such hate, he can't even watch all video and remember what was in the beginning. smh
1 likeWait so your don’t like pyro or something?
0 likesBEST VIDEO EVER EMPLEMON,KEEP IT UP
9 likesI made it to 7 mins and thought FTS I've got grass to watch grow.
0 likesCommenting for ThE AlGoRITHm
0 likesIs it true that YouTube was filled with ROBLOX videos?
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Used to be kinda popular in 2008
0 likesSame Conversation, 3.5 years later
0 likesThis was actually very inspiring 47:49 thank Emperor Lemon. Needed it. I get no traction on my You Tube lol I guess...
3 likesWhat’s the scene at 31:04
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Billy Maze
0 likesAmen brother
1 like29:19 to 30:40
0 likesThe normies have destroyed YouTube.
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well it gives yt money, why do you think the sub box was replaced with the “hip new cool LOGAN PAUL AND RICEGUM EPISODES” with a touch of some Mr Gear bullshit for eight year olds
45 likesCorrection: the MISEDUCATION of normies have ruined youtube
21 likesCapitalism had doomed youtube from the very beginning
12 likespc31754 ikr even after the Logan Paul controversy, I still get him suggested in my feed
3 likesIt was destroyed by corporations and easy money. The same circle every company gets through.
8 likeswell no I think youtube has .... their absolutely ridiculous automation mentality which is utterly broken yet their team wont even acknowledge it may have any problems - no its your fault! .... normies and lazy people will always find their way if you make it so they dominate.
0 likesThEcRaZ3dGaM3R your not wrong actually the site was becoming shit once everyone knew about it especially business people
0 likesIf you use the term “normie” you’re just outing yourself as some holier than thou arsehole. To so certainly claim you’re so much more elevated just cause you think so is so absurd. What makes you not a “normie”? What is a “normie”. It’s like the whole hipster trend. “I’m better than you cause I watch and say things different to what might be considered the norm, duuuurrr”
8 likes''normie'' here means the mainstream public everyone starts catering to and dumbing down the content so it appeals to everyone because profit is really the only primary motive left behind. normies have destroyed this site, no matter how you want to call that demographic. I don't think im better, but I do think some people will almost watch anything and dumbing something down to maximize the target audience is not necessarily a good thing.
14 likesReadMyLipsMum you guys spam shit to oblivion and make the meme stale the second it comes out of the womb! Also the point of this video (this goes for everyone) wasn't that normie's shouldn't use memes it's that behind the meme was doing a terrible job at what he was doing
0 likesAll hale Sam Wachowski
0 likesClassic tribalism at it's finest. It's almost like Ugandan Knuckles was an exploitation of internet tribes folk.
1 likeThEcRaZ3dGaM3R, 4chan should make their own version of YouTube... 4tube
2 likesThEcRaZ3dGaM3R the normies are youtube now
0 likesThey destroy everything
0 likesThEcRaZ3dGaM3R well they can't take Reddit or 4chan luckily
0 likesYoutube is for normies
0 likesMathieu L what about this channel. Or YouTube pre 2014
1 likeMathieu L *catering to normies. just look at the fucking rewind. full of hollywood celebrities none of us know about
1 likeit all comes back to phone users
1 likeThEcRaZ3dGaM3R No really? Are you telling me anything that has wide appeal and makes money will be exploit for the most profitable markets Normies just by size. Hahaha remember Myspace and Social Media in general once just a high school mid school thing now everyone and their grandma is online. The internet though is just the last frontier of Media like New paper Radio or Tv.
2 likesThe whole internet tbh
3 likesOh and society at large
I will try to be the best it’s just I have to do my laundry
0 likes69K likes, Nice
0 likesStill going down
2 likesAlL yOu EvEr Do Is CoMpLaIn
0 likesNothing but straight fax
1 likeGoogle’s only original success is the search engine. Android is just a smart phone, google drive isn’t different from OneDrive. They don’t make anything new
0 likesFriday by Black was a thing a said on Friday last day of school and feel proud
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