Seeing how YouTube is now getting rid of dislikes, this video aged like the finest wine, and will continue to as well

@Fries another change they could make is that you only get notifications of replys to your comment on a reply thread and not a notification of a reply to the comment that started the reply thread or a reply to other comments on the reply thread and that reply has nothing to do with your comment but Is below your comment on the reply thread but you still get a notification for that reply even though it is not a reply to your comment on the reply thread, any comments that start reply threads still get notifications for any replys and replys to comments that are part of the reply thread to those comments, sorry to repeat my self but this to me is a major problem what do you think of the change I suggested if you can understand what I mean

Side note: Looking back at it, If I was making the rating system, I would have added a third option for people to express that they have a mixed reaction to something, and enable users to filter their searches by the percentage of each of the three ratings, or a combination of them.

It's crazy how emp was also predicting that for years. You can see that in a couple of his videos

How about I just give people one, in case they need it?


“This video has aged well”
A few months later
“Man, this video has aged well”
More time later
“This video aged like wine”
More months later
“Aged like fine wine”

How many times can YouTube screw itself up for this to happen

“This video has aged well”
*A few months later*
“Man, this video has aged well”
*More time later*
“This video aged like wine”
*More months later*
“Aged like fine wine”

How many times can YouTube screw itself up for this to happen

@Corban Finch I say too well. I now have the mindset of this emplemon on how I feel about YouTube success. Just seeing these clearly lazy people get so much views. I mean yea it also my fault. But at the same time I just build this frustration about those channels.

<b>this video aged like a 150 year old bottle of shipwrecked scotch</b>

*this video aged like a 150 year old bottle of shipwrecked scotch*

It's all intentional once you find this out everything will make sense or at least make more sense

I seriously suspect that there could be a true new wild west at some point. If not this decade then the next.

Probably until a competitor shows up, WHICH IS NEVER

@Doom58 did tho the removal of dislikes?

This commet age so well it like the wine the gods drink


And we thought we had it bad back in 2017. Man...

just keeps getting further down the downward spiral


Somehow he talks for 50 minutes without repeating himself and being ACTUALLY engaging for the entire period. Love the work!

@Fries so what do you think of my ideas to change how the thumbs up and the way reply notifications work, the way reply notifications work to me seems like a massive problem that is a bit hard to explain but if this change was made maybe it could cut down on bots or very pointless troll comments🤔

@Fries they could also change how videos are sorted like they also could be sorted by oldest as well as newest and popular

@Fries another change that could be made is once a comment is given a thumbs up the the thumbs up can not be removed

“It’s just bad, repetitive, and uninspired”, that quote could also be used by him again if he discusses Illumination Entertainment

@Fries another change they could make is that you only get notifications of replys to your reply on a reply thread and not a notification of a reply to the comment that started the reply thread or a notification of a reply to other replys on the reply thread and that reply Is below your reply on the reply thread but you still get a notification for that reply even though it is not a reply to your reply on the reply thread, any comments that start reply threads still get notifications for any replys and replys to replys that are part of the reply thread to those comments

@rl enter Didn't know people take advantage of that, but I see how they could.

@Fries another change that could be made is that only channel owners can report comments on their channels and not other users

when you’re passionate enough you can do it

Editing + Proper Scripting with a hint of adlib is a powerful communicator in a video.

@rl enter I could see that being the representative of a like

@Frieswhen you like a video it could say you liked this video like it once did

@Fries I do not know, it was like that a long time ago where the comment would still got noticed

@rl enter I would also recommend not doing that either.

Out of curiosity, if I’m not notified of it, does that mean the comment was shadowbanned?

@Fries the biggest problem is shadowbanning comments 🙄

@frag el I’d also add a tab on the main page for new videos by startup channels,  in addition to bringing back public dislikes, I’d also add at least one more rating for people with mixed reactions, and allow people to sort videos based on the percentage of each rating as they see fit, in addition to the changes he recommends in his copyright videos.

As for what you suggest: Previously watched in particular is a pointless tab, but “for you” I don’t mind, not being able to get subscribers with no content is good, and I would add a setting where users can choose to toggle on and off whether channels they aren’t subscribed to appear in their inbox.

@Fries YouTube could also get rid of search results tabs, like the for you tab and previously watched and explore other channels and people also watch. It could be changed so you could not subscribe to channels with no videos. An other change is channels that you have not subscribed to can not show up in your notifications inbox.

Parts 3 and 6 are the meat of the video in my opinion.

If the algorithm never changed, people would be more likely to be recommended different videos at the very least.


It's weird going back to Emp's old rants like this vs watching his modern videos. It's like watching two completely different people; his perspective and style have slightly changed, yet the same beats are still there. He was much more chaotic and aggressive back then, while he is calm and thoughtful today. His approach has matured immensely and I commend him for that.

Tbf I love his agressive YTP style. Really got his point across.

@NoopSoop I absolutely see how that editing influence is still present, and I’m all for it!

@Fries But that's what I find interesting, Emp may have left YTP, but YTP didn't leave him. While Emp doesn't make YTP content anymore, you can almost feel how YTP has shaped his editing style. It's that same evolution I mentioned in my comment before. He may no longer use audio distortion, but he still has that signature EmpLemon feel to his videos.

@Michael Tegio I’m not complaining about the lack of audio distortions, just noting that I don’t hear too many of them anymore in Emp’s work. If anything I prefer the near absence of them because they distract from the video at times I feel.

I had no idea what YTP was until I came across his channel and he mentioned that he used to do it to be honest, but from the typical description of it, his videos from 2016 and 2017 feel more like commentary rants with editing like a YTP, and his videos from 2018 and in particular 2019 and onward feel more like documentaries with some copyrighted content that (as I said earlier) is used to illustrate his points, and is altered for claim purposes (ergo: to make sure the video passes the copyright ID bot undetected).

If he never brought it up, I probably wouldn’t be able to tell he ever did the YTP format at all based on his documentary videos.

@Fries I’ve noticed the lack(?) of distortions recently, too, but honestly I’m sort of glad that they’re gone. Emp’s editing has developed and refined a great deal and the spike in volume when audio would get distorted got sort of grating after while.

Not only that, but apart from using a variety of copyrighted assets to illustrate his points as he says them, his videos more recently feel more like documentaries and less like YTP to me.

Also, apart from when he has someone say “Downward Spiral”, I don’t see him do too many audio distortions anymore. Or is that just me?


Youtube has officially disabled the dislikes. Meaning this video is as relevant as ever.

Use the add on to bring it back

Support alternate sites, it's one of the few ways I think that can make youtube be better again is by giving them competition not neccesary replacing them but just by having competition, but honestly that would be pretty hard considering this isn't even a free market just a cronyist shithole


This aged perfectly.

Every point EMP made in this video rings true to this day, and even worse, the issues he mentioned that were plaguing YouTube in 2017 have been magnified. Some issues that YouTube has now are somewhat out of their control, but a majority of their problems are self imposed, and usually stem from changes made to protect large corporations, not the creators that made this site great. For example, the removal of dislikes.

The downward spiral continues in perpetuity with no end in sight.

The stuff that is algorithm related, and the removal of public dislikes are on the site as much as anything.


I have a special relationship with this video. Every time YouTube makes incompetent decisions, shows extreme favoritism to corporations, gets into a massive controversy they could’ve avoided, lies to everyone, makes a random change to their website, their double standards Etc. when something like this happens I always come back to this video. So guess what’s happening now?  YouTube is financial sandbagging short videos for no reason (meme channels and short animations channels.) they didn’t tell the community this change was happening and continue to be extremely vague. Channels that posted shorter videos noticed there earnings from their videos drop around the same time for seemingly no reason. Team YouTube’s response to this just infuriated me. It seems like they’re trying to pretend it doesn’t exist and just say go the creator support team. So they basically just trying to avoid the people asking them for help. Watch arcade assassin’s video and TheFakeSillyG’s video because they explain it better than me.

Agreed, but this time the corporate-favouring change in question is the removal of dislikes

Not to defend YouTube’s monetization practices, (and without looking into it beyond reading your comment), my best guess as to why YouTube chose to demonitize shorter uploads is to encourage content creators to run their channels in the format of a content farm (essentially make their videos just over, if not close to ten minutes, in addition to other advertiser friendly restrictions, and the like).

That fiasco thing was actually a fucking mistake<br>Googles a fucking huge ass company, you’d expect them to be professional, but nah they accidentally sandbag meme channels

That fiasco thing was actually a fucking mistake
Googles a fucking huge ass company, you’d expect them to be professional, but nah they accidentally sandbag meme channels


@Skid.mp4 another change youtube could make is that you only get notifications of replys to your comment on a reply thread and not a notification of a reply to the comment that started the reply thread or a notification of a reply to other comments on the reply thread and that reply has nothing to do with your comment but Is below your comment on the reply thread but you still get a notification for that reply that has nothing to do with your comment, any comments that start reply threads still get notifications for any replys and replys to comments that are part of the reply thread to those comments, this is an annoying problem that would be great if they got rid of it

I would agree that being told to subscribe is annoying to an extent.

Though one thing I would argue: The reason why channels choose to do it probably isn’t because they think their audience is dumb or that they need to be told to do so but rather because they say it because they’ve always said it and it became routine for them to do so.

Or in the case of newer channels, because they saw someone else do it.

Next let’s make the trending tab default that will totally make everyone happy

@Myles M Walker Jr there was dislikes on comments removed as well, not sure they where much use though

@Austin Blackburn The biggest issue with YouTube generally in my opinion is it’s algorithm.

The old one was better, and if I was running the site, I would split the recommended tab into three sections (apart from the user’s other interests):

One for what the algorithms suggests, one for videos uploaded by media corporations that partner with YouTube, and one for videos recently uploaded by new channels (so that way, both big channels that partner with the site, and people starting out can get their videos discovered).

YouTube itself is mostly to blame for the biggest issues.

One thing that this site is still useful for in my opinion though:

Due to the way that major media companies have been going about releasing old content, and how that has been poorly received by some, It has unintentionally led many people (who Enp would classify as bootleggers in his copyright metagame) to upload older content that they have, and YouTube has unintentionally become a great resource for older media (in particular media with no material commercial viability).

@Fries It's Allot of factors many of them YouTube others just the stagnation of the genre, but YouTube definitely had a large role in their death. Some of the major factors killing them where subscribers don't get notifications which is important if you have a series of videos, algorithm changes that favored watched percent vs duration which means the longer format of many let's plays was less optimal, and YouTubes algorithmic manipulation of the homepage/trending to artificially lower gaming videos as they were to popular in YouTubes opinion who at the time was attempting to cater traditional media/become tv around 2015-2016.

And it still holds up as of late with the removal of dislikes

Well except the let's Plays part YouTube decided to kill those to for the most part.

it's legit one of emp's worst videos. it got worse over time.

@HH HH something gets to some people to a extreme extent even if it seems like something that isn't that annoying

@ouch potato Annoying, yes. Not nearly to this extent.

@HH HH it still is annoying and basically copy and pasted for some from video to video if people like their content they Will make a account to subscribe or just subscribe and they don't need to be told to do so

Don't really see it. Maybe the algorith has shielded me from most of the shit he is talking (or rather, screaming) about, but I can't relate to the last third of the video. I mean, I see all of this in some quantity, but not nearly as much as to justify this level of butthurt. The "subscribe" rant is especially stupid - these reminders take 5 second at most and are skipped with a click, what's so triggering about them I don't understand.

Even if this video DIDNT age amazingly. This video is still hilarious.

@Noah Tindell this is probably one of my favorite of all time

@fir lin Did not know that. Sounds unfortunate.

@Fries there was once video responses that where like this, where some one would make a video and put it in the comments to explain a comment more or there rating for a video, links in comments are like this as well but comments with links I think might get deleted or ghosted more often.

@fir lin And one more point to add to number four on my list: I would also add a section to the about page allowing users to explain their review scale, and publish their video reviews as they see fit, and allow the community to review the reviewers so that the site can have an aggregate opinion of who the best video critics are for each subject, and their suggestions.

@fir lin One last thing, I don’t mean to come across as a self-promoter, but I compiled a video of the 100 oldest YouTube videos we have (or at least 100 of them).

It can be found here if you are curious: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=u3V2jYHpE3g&t=914s

In particular, after about the first third of the video, you’ll find some old videos that are very mid 2000’s that you might not know existed.

@Fries they would make the site much better and more like the classic old youtube.

@fir lin That is not a good idea.

Goes along with censoring videos.

What do you think of the other ideas I typed?

@Fries making the comments only visible to the person that made the comments and invisible to others.

@fir lin By “ghosting” comments do you mean removing them?

Just curious.

@Fries An other problem is youtube ghosting comments.

What I would do to fix YouTube structurally:

1. Go back to the original algorithm, and add a section for start up channels that have gained significantly.

2. Stop censoring videos.

3. Get advertisers who care about content of videos and those that don't so that videos that are too edgy to be advertiser friendly can still get funded.

4. Bring back the star scale in increments of .1 stars, and track the quantity of each rating so that users can sort videos by ratings individually or by sections of ratings.

5. Add back the feature for allowing users to see a feed of videos rated highly by channels they subscribe to.

6. Revise the copyright system so that copyright claimants receive a share of revenue proportional to the percent of the video that actually contains their copyrighted content, and have an independent third party manually review all claims and counter claims.

7. Allow YouTubers the option of paying an annual licensing fee split between the big three music labels to use any music track they want without any music copyright claims and streamline communications with rights holders so that licensing fees can be more easily negotiated between uploaders and claimants.

What do you think?

I'm really disgusted how youtube's desing and functions degraded over time...

@fir lin its how people are, unfortunately

@fir lin its how people are, unfortunately

@fir lin i think if that were the case, new people would rarely comment cause of how long others would have to scroll down

@Skid.mp4is that also because the comments are sorted by only newest and most liked and not also oldest and most replys and the replys to comments are not next to the comments🧐

We got shorts the used bought locomotive that derailed 3 other trains compilations were enough but with this it ENOUGH changing comments on mobile was a nuke

2021 and it's already so fucking delicious, can't wait to rewatch it five years later and have it be even better

Wait, this video wasn't posted today? J/ I've watched this like 20 times already

July 2021. Can confirm that this is in fact still one of my favorite YouTube videos of all time


"They keep finding new ways to celebrate mediocrity, but when someone does something genuinely exceptional..."

- Mr Incredible

I’m also thinking of a certain quote from Incredibles 2 that can summarize how EmpLemon is thinking in this video

@ayy lmao When Bob gets back from the fire, and sneaks into the house.


I think the most surprising moment I had with Youtube was when I went on the site without being logged into my account and seeing the unfiltered dribble Youtube recommends to people with no personal tailoring.  Somewhere along the way I forgot that Youtube became tailored to my likes so I viewed what I saw as what Youtube was but I've realized what I see is a fractional slice of a pie filled with mostly hot rancid trash.  It's insane to me that outside of my little bubble of Youtube the vast majority of this site is filled with tea spilling, list making, click bait reaction video hot donkey piss that seems like it's being cranked out by a short circuiting AI trying to figure out how to operate like a functional human.

Who is this content made for and how is it possible it all has millions of views, there's no possible way there is that many hollow skulled mud worms out there willing to consume that kind of content. The best possible answer I have come up with is new age parents deciding to use Youtube as a baby sitter and letting little Timmy shit for brains autoplay a constant stream of unfettered garbage that lets the algorithm boost these awful channels view count to unprecedented levels.

It seems these garbage default videos are seeping their way into the recommended content now too, I'm finding that so much of what I see on this site feels homogenised and mindless regardless of my preferences.

The most likely reason that content has so many views is because the channel behind it probably uploaded a lot, and it’s videos generated enough watch time for the video to be recommended to people visiting the site.


We've been trained like puppies to take in a certain amount of content. Especially the children on Youtube.

Everything is 10 minutes. Every Youtube video is 10 minutes. Radio plays 3 songs, and then 15 minutes of ads. Tv plays 8-10 minutes before commercial breaks. Everywhere you go, you're forced to take in bite sized amounts of content, so longer Youtube videos end up with low watchtime, because it's in our brains to click away after 10 minutes to find something else.

All so Youtube can farm more money off their ad breaks, 3--8 in every video. Remember your ad block, kids.


27:07 is one of the greatest rants I've ever seen. It's so true, I can count on one hand the number of youtubers I know who dont ask for you to subscribe to them at the end of every video.

Hell, now they ask before you even watch the video. I’ll watch it and if I like it I’ll click like. Sometimes if I like it I’ll look for other videos from the same author. If I like their other content I’ll sub. If I don’t like it, we’ll I’m not one to dislike but I won’t be back. Some videos I watch is multiple attempts to get likes and dubs and really turns me off the channel altogether. I don’t need to be patronized. I’m not a child.

I miss my children Oliver and Charlotte 2021

@Crucillus Thorn Also, I think the subscriber total is the number of people your channel has made an impression on overtime as opposed to how many currently engage with it.

Not to endorse the practice of reminding people to like and subscribe the video on a routine basis, but I think the reason why so many people do that now is because it became tradition or routine for them, and perhaps because when they joined YouTube, they saw other channels they like do it.

Contrary to what Lemon inferred, I wouldn’t argue that these YouTubers think their audiences are stupid, but I would say that they probably do it routinely because they’ve always done it, and perhaps they think the video feels incomplete without ending with that reminder.

You might not agree with the practice, and if I uploaded regularly, I wouldn’t do it,  but that’s my thoughts on the matter.

@Crucillus Thorn I’m going to be inclined to believe people who are actually successful on YouTube than random commenter #93 on this one.

I seriously doubt Mr. Beast or Dream would be wasting video time on asking people to subscribe if it did nothing. The degree that those two have optimized their videos to play to everything the algorithm likes is ridiculous.

I'm more likely to unsub from a channel that repeatedly begs its viewers for likes and subs. If you're desperate enough to beg the people that actively give you attention to give you MORE attention, you weren't worth it in the first place

@Crucillus Thorn I just mean that of the two people I've heard talk about this (that I recall, and my memory sucks so make of that what you will) both pointed to graphs that show literaly spikes the day of the change. Not massive, but clear. Admittedly, they might be coincidental, or even reversed, perhaps they suddenly got featured and want to capitalise on it by finally starting to ask for it. I don't know, it just seems that way to my personal tiny microcosm. I only sub to channels I like, but am totally guilty of not going back and unsubbing from ones I no longer think about, in part, I assume, because I no longer think about them. Perhaps there should be an annual cull? Youtube emails you if you've not watched any video from a channel in a year asking if you want to unsub? Or even automatic unsub but notify you if you want to stay subbed? But then, the numbers would go down, and they've made it abundatly clear they do not want numbers to go down.

TL:DR You're right, my opinion isn't backed.

Actually no, it doesn't.

See, they're basically connecting the wrong dots. They do this shit, sometimes for YEARS, and then think "Oh, I am seeing a spike in activity, it MUST be because I'm begging for subscribers" when in actuality there is no observable statistic that can show that's why people are subscribing. And in that same vein, they also have NO means of seeing how many people DON'T subscribe, unsubscribe, or blacklist their channel because they are begging for subscriptions. They have no means of telling that it works. None.

What you CAN find are people TELLING them that it works, but these usually come from manipulative channels peddling bad advice to Youtube upstarts. And what's more, there is such a thing as "Empty subscribers". Ever subscribed to a channel thinking you'll watch more of their content but DON'T? That's an empty subscriber. You aren't actually contributing to the channel in any meaningful way, especially if you're smart and use adblock.

So what does asking for subscribers ACTUALLY do? Well, it creates a pool of uninteractive excess subscribers not actually helping your channel or producing growth/revenue and distances people that might otherwise have subscribed had it not been for your desperacy.

Ever notice how people that defend this practice sound like they're trying to justify a pyramid scheme? Yeah, there's a fucking reason for that...

It's because it works, several people I'm subbed to confirmed massive spikes in sub counts from the video they started asking onwards. It's just psychological manipulation <b>shrugs</b>

It's because it works, several people I'm subbed to confirmed massive spikes in sub counts from the video they started asking onwards. It's just psychological manipulation *shrugs*


I love the irony of Youtube Poop, it's name implies to people that it must be the shit side of youtube, but it's actually some of the most creative and original content on youtube.

Ytp is ok. Not my favorite type of video, but certainly a very creative format.

One of the better channels I’ve come across is Max0r, a guy who makes “incorrect summaries,” in essence they’re video game reviews done in a YTP style. His Project Wingman and Doom Eternal videos are... especially cursed. The first video in particular introduced me to the term “competitive genocide.”

Sort of funny that it is such an abstract art form. Things normally adored and praised by academic communities as well as artistic groups. But it struggles to be studied because the word "poop" is in the title.

Even funnier to me is PragerU Youtube poops are the funniest I have seen. A channel where they consistently attack abstract art and concepts (like those of their political leanings always have) created material for some of the best modern abstract art.

I always said that youtube poop just has a marketing problem.... With this name, YP never will be accessible!

the name of it is probably what makes it art, its a crass yet humble name. youtube poop is fucking great

Y'know the search for good content is like search for gold in a shitpit.<br>You won't like where you gonna start diving in but when you find it, consider yourself very lucky.

Y'know the search for good content is like search for gold in a shitpit.
You won't like where you gonna start diving in but when you find it, consider yourself very lucky.

@TheLetterL ᨆ Yes, I understand, I'm just thinking about it from another angle.

@dovn they were talking about the production and editing style

I agree and all, but it's a remix of a load of already made media, so technically it can't be original.

And the content those same people watch tends to be pure shit.


This aged better then I’m sure most YouTube viewers would think


I still stick to the old slogan of "Broadcast Yourself", even tho my videos are probably crap and low effort, I enjoy making em. I'm just being myself, broadcasting myself. You are absolutely bloodylecious right. Youtube gone down the mexican drain, so you know its nothing but bad crap.

@Steve Admin Do you have a favorite animated show or movie out of curiosity?


Youtube has suffered the same fate that the whole internet has. The internet was ruined when normies, huge corporations, and simpletons flooded in.

The internet was a safe haven for people like me. Exactly to escape people like those.
Then every single one of them and their phones came in and stole the only place I felt like home. The culture, the unspoken rules, all the incredible creativity. All of it was stolen, bastardized, and commercialized. And made toxic and brainless as fuck, and now politicized to hell during the past 5 years.

And now I'm being kicked out by the very same people who i originally fled from to gaming and the internet. All this really fucking sucks.

Just throwing this out there, but you do realize people on BBSs were saying the exact same thing 30 years ago, right?

we need to revive bulletin board systems

I’d argue YouTube has its uses. In particular it’s an underrated media archive.

But if you are looking for a website that promotes creative projects like YouTube did in its first seven or eight years, then this isn’t it (not that creative videos and people aren’t on here, but unless you are aware of them, you probably won’t be recommended them).

Unfortunately this seems to be a cycle that happens to literally every niche or nerd community unless some form of gatekeeping is enforced. It fucking sucks.


It's been nearly 4 years and every prediction that you made is spot on. In many ways, the platform has gotten even worse. It's honestly scary to think about, and it makes me sad knowing that things will only continue to get worse.

The part that got me is how I even found this video. I got recommended your Highest Jump World Record Progression video likely from being subscribed to SummoningSalt, enjoyed that video and clicked on your channel to see what else you make. I didn't realize how much extra work that actually is until you mentioned it. It may be 2-3 extra clicks, but for many, that's more than enough to discourage them from looking further.

@ouch potato Already have. Love that dude's content.


I mean: can we ignore all of EmpLemon’s amazing content for a second and just focus on his rock-solid music taste? Supertramp, Neil Cicierega, Pink Floyd, The Who, Led Zeppelin, Gorillaz and Death Grips? What an absolute man.

> No mention of Genesis or ELP<br>> Pleb

@Axel Andersson @Alexander Holm check the description

Don't forget so much of the GT Soundtrack

James Humphrey. How you can watch this video, say all that, and not even mention ELP and Genesis. You mainstream music pleb

@Rad Dudeski gentle giant and van der graaf generator

@Coob I didn't mean ">" as in "greater" if that's what you got from my comment. I was referring to the use of "Lemon" in both Aaron Lemos' internet name and Neil Cicierega's music/arts identity. I do beileve Neil is better based on his creativity and contribution to memes and internet cultuire but I still greatly enjoy Emp's content (YTPs, shitposting and video essays) to a great extent.

Probably could've explained myself better with a longer message rather than using arrow keys to be mistaken for telling one thing is better than the other.

@Richo Vee do you know how hard I had to argue with myself before I agreed with you

ELP, Genesis, Magma, dude's a fucking patician

The lack of acknowledgement of Edgar Winter among the artists in this video is disgraceful. >:(

He also had a Michael Jackson song  (Billie Jean midi) in his Hungrybox video.

He even had The Gates of Delirium in his Behind The Meme video, as well as Close To The Edge and Roundabout in one of his other videos (a person after my own heart)

He's definitely into prog rock. He had Yes and Pink Floyd in the BTM video while having ELP and Genesis (nice touch Emp, Dancing With the Moonlit Knight is one of my favorite songs by my favorite band) in this one. He even has a version of Jethro Tull's Thick As A Brick in his video about the highest jump in human history. He has an amazing taste in music and his selection makes the videos even better.

Not to mention the games he pulls music from 💕


Dear god, the downward spiral of youtube never ends

@Andy Gonzalez they could remove likes or comments next

I can agree, my only question left is, has anyone done a bingo card of what youtube could do to ruin their own website yet?


You definitely had a right to be concerned 4 years ago. Over the past few years I’ve been noticing the stagnation in quality on the platform, and now that I’ve become a “proper” creator myself I can see just how little support there is for me. I’ve been demonetized for months, I never got notified, and I literally CANNOT get help from YouTube no matter how hard and how many times I’ve tried to contact them. This video still holds up perfectly and that’s honestly really fucking sad.


The fact that this video still holds up almost 4 years after its release is kinda sad


Never did I think that one of my all-time favorite YTP creators of the 2010s, that got me through High School, would evolve to become a creator that talks about what really matters here. It was hard to take in the comparison of modern YouTube to TV, but here we are, dead in the waters of faded creativity. Keep doing what you're doing Emp, fuck the system.


Looking back at this two years later, it's terrifying how accurate he hit the mark. Most of what he said has already happened or come true. And the scariest part is he thought it would take longer.

Now community added subtitles, a feature that was an immense boon for people with hearing problems, is completely done due to abuse that they themselves could fix instead of removing the fucking feature entirely.

Been thinking about starting a channel specifically for bringing everything good back. And 0 care for the clout and money. Only a matter of time before I probably will. Just some random don't look over here.

@LittleMissEevee god this website is so fucked

everything is happening faster indirectly due to other things like politics, a lot of yt’s downfall is the company going political


It is nearly 5 years and it seems youtube is becoming a shit storm quicker than we thought. I mean, It kinda always was but  at least then it was tolerable. Now I think we are in the end times of it ever getting that way again and it will only be continually down-hill from here on out.

(Update: Dislikes were removed and youtube is gonna have NFT's very soon... We are truly in the darkest timeline)


Almost 4 years later, I watch this video again to compare and see how much has changed... and oh boy, it's fucking 10000x worse. If anyone reads all of this, kudos to you and thanks for paying attention to it...

"I don't understand why people try making ytps as they'll just get assblasted about how they'll never be as good as someone from 2011 who hasn't uploaded in half a fucking decade while videos with a single fucking edit get 10,000 times more views and praise."

It's not even ytps anymore. This is literally the current state of this deplorable site. It's sad to see what it is now and where it appears to be heading. Nobody seems to care about putting actual effort and work into videos outside of a very small group of people with 95% of them being content creators with under 1k subs. Most big names have editors that, if I'm going to be honest, really don't edit much of anything unless you consider jump cuts, random sound effects, zooming in on things, and the random funny image or Sony VEGAS text popping up on screen. Thumbnails now all look pretty much the same between one big channel to another with few exceptions. Content itself is bone-dry in terms of actual entertainment value. To top it all off, the ALGORITHM is still as shitty as it was 4 years ago, if not, somehow WORSE. It doesn't help that even on a clean account with no subscriptions to anyone, watching a small creator's videos doesn't put them into your recommendations. Instead, it just feeds a sea of content from bigger people who are similar to the small creator but have possibly done it with less effort and work put into it, but already have an install base and because this system only seems to recognize that, it floods the recommends with said content while the small creator goes relatively unnoticed UNLESS you go out of your way to find them. Go on a new account, find some small creator with under 1000 subs and view any of their content a few times. Scroll through the vids on the right while watching a few of their vids and pay attention to how many of their vids show up compared to other people. They'll probably only show up about 5 times if you're lucky, otherwise they'll mostly be wayyyy down at the bottom among other content from bigger people. Just because someone's bigger doesn't mean they're better. This system literally, as Emp explained, just fucks you over... unless you try to chase it through the most unappealing, disgusting, low effort, 0 work SHIT that steals the spotlight from people who truly deserve it.

The trending tab still shows the same fucking garbage content since 2017. The gaming section is absolute reeses feces on top of a diarrhea sundae as it's, as Emp explained, the same top dogs on youtube with their shitty almost identical thumbnails and clusterfucked stupid all caps titles that clickbait for views. ALTHOUGH, they did recently add a thing where it shows up and coming creators... except it seems to only grab people who have 10k+ subs that are growing rapidly... but 10k subs isn't really small, is it? No, because at the very least you get more than 50 views per video each month as opposed to people with maybe 5k, 2.5k, or only 1k subs. Sadly, it only shows ONE person at a time as far as I know whenever you check the trending page out at least, on the gaming section. It's a bit of a step in the right direction, but it's like putting a band-aid over a giant gaping wound with bones and flesh coming out of it. Might as well not even be there.

Content on the site itself has also somehow gotten even DRIER over these 4 years. 4 years ago, people were a bit more open about opinions and feelings. Now? If you even say a single thing that someone takes as out of line, your ass will get completely fucked from all sides and people will destroy what you've built up. Opinions on this site as if it was 2006 Youtube will get you maimed on a wall. Attempting to talk about controversial topics is apparently reserved to BIIIG people nowadays because they can do no harm by potentially insulting an entire minority or majority group of people... as if people don't do that behind the screen with their friends or even random strangers. And when they do get flack for talking about controversial things? They themselves get assblasted EVEN if it was something relatively harmless! Remember when people would curse all the time on videos, especially ones with gaming? I sure remember when people weren't afraid to curse like truck drivers and sailors because back then you didn't have to worry about it. Nowadays everyone has to talk like you're in fucking KINDERGARTEN even though I think MOST PEOPLE READING THIS CAN ACTUALLY UNDERSTAND ALL THE WORDS IN IT!

It's sad, and somehow 4 years later this video can be PERFECTLY applied to current youtube.

The biggest issue with YouTube is the algorithm in my opinion, closely followed by censorship (there are some variations of that, demobilization being one of them).

If things were based off of view count, then those who are starting out might get more traction.

It’s not without its uses (most prominently as an archive of media, and some original content on this site I enjoy here and there), but if you want to create your own original content and get popular through that, then it’s unlikely to occur because you likely won’t get the watch time necessary to trend and be recommended to people who have no idea who you are (unless what you want to do fits one of the formats he described in the sixth part to begin with).

I’ve found YouTube useful for some things not goona lie, but I probably would have found it more useful in the earlier years.

Well the shitty algorithm has gotten SLIGHTLY better via YT shorts. Videos that were dormant now getting tons and thousands of attention but it doesn't help the fact that the shitty aspects are still there...

Even another creator made a similar video to Emp's one: https://youtu.be/a-7AlRTH-MY?list=LL&t=1012

Also get StoryFire, holy crap it's ten times better than this platform.


Coming up on 5 years since this got released, I see that I just need to leave the website and find a new video hosting site and hope more people go there. However, this problem of not being seen is not exclusive to YT. It's repeated across the internet(not helped by Google) so even migrating websites won't dodge this dumpster fire


Ever since I took emp’s advice of taking initiative to look for content and find greatness, my YouTube experience got so much better.  I found videos that were thought-provoking, fun, original, and inspiring.  To the point that I would like to do a channel myself in the future.

Anyone reading this, take emp’s advice.  Don’t just watch shit because it’s there, watch something that’s worth your time.

It worked for me;  I’m definitely sure it’ll work for you too.

@Mkilo97 Thank you for the suggestions and for your insightful reply.

Those four all look interesting, James Lee, and R.C. Waldun in particular.

Since you recommended some channels, I'll return the favor and share several channels I subscribe to myself (and I'll provide direct links to homepages as well):

Back Door: This channel is of a guy who uploads old NFL Films highlights, pieces, and sometimes combines clips to reconstruct sequences and occasionally entire older games. Most footage is from the 60's, 70's or 80's.

The guy who runs it is an excellent editor, and is good at merging sound with film when possible.

He uploads periodically, and upload lengths vary depending on the length of the music track showcased, the footage being shown, or the game or segment used.

Back Door can be found here: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCw6xtNoo1SR64ijxIHCCo5g

Biographics: This channel is a great biography channel that profiles a variety of subjects, from presidents and political figures to Hollywood actors and pop culture figures to leaders of social movements and others who made their respective marks on history. Eloquently presented roughly three times a week by Simon Whistler.
Their tagline is "History. One Life at a Time."

Most uploads on that channel are in the 15-25 minute range.

Biographics can be found here: https://www.youtube.com/c/Biographics/featured

City Beautiful: A channel about urban planning, and aspects of how cities are designed and maintained. This channel has covered a variety of cities and angles of the topic at hand. Ran by a college professor from San Luis Obispo.

City Beautiful uploads probably once every few weeks, and videos are 8-15 minutes typically.

City Beautiful can be found here: https://www.youtube.com/c/CityBeautiful/featured

Company Man: A channel that profiles the successes, failures, histories and occasionally controversies of the business sides of various companies. A variety of companies have been profiled, and one 10-15 minute video is uploaded every Wednesday around noon for the past three or four years at this point.

The guy who narrates this one is engaging and seems like a genuine guy. I also once personally suggested a topic to him and he made a video on said topic.

He also should be commended for focusing strictly on the business sides of the topics he covers and for refraining from simply using trendy and simple explanations for why businesses succeeded and why they failed. I recommend this channel if you are interested in business in particular.

Company Man can be found here: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCQMyhrt92_8XM0KgZH6VnRg/featured

Deep Look: This channel is one of the best executed channels on this website with major corporate backing in my opinion.

I say it has major corporate backing because unlike some of the others I will list who have sponsors, but appear to be mostly ran by a handful of people, Deep Look is a science video series that is produced by PBS Digital Studios. It talks about small animals, insects and other small phenomenon in nature.

In particular, the cinematography and the narration by Laura Klivans is excellent. I recommend this if you are curious about science.

Deep Look uploads periodically, and uploads are a few minutes in length typically.

Deep Look can be found here: https://www.youtube.com/user/KQEDDeepLook

Electronic Gems: One of the best music aggregates on YouTube in my opinion. This channel spotlights electronic music tracks that are composed by independent electronic musicians.

One I recommend in particular is Cascading Lights by Decisive Koala: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxNNKInIkAw

A few uploads occur there every month, and video length depends on the track, or if they are doing a compilation or mix.

Electronic Gems can be found here: https://www.youtube.com/c/ElectronicGems/featured

Chuck D's All New Classic TV Clubhouse: This channel unlike the others does not upload original content, but it is home to quite a few older commercials, interstitials, and network promos, idents and scheduling bumpers. Clips uploaded are typically from the 70's to the mid 2000's, and several videos that are around 30-60 seconds long are uploaded every Saturday night.

This channel can be found here: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UChoYlGf7k9NACJZtvtmgtSA

SoftDrinkTV: This guy contrary to what his channel name might say, is a video game reviewer, most of his reviews are of sports video games. Both current and older.

This reviewer has a great narrative voice, good background music tastes, and has made uploads of varying lengths.

Uploads are every couple weeks or so, and usually over 10 minutes, though sometimes longer.

SoftDrinkTV can be found here: https://www.youtube.com/user/noahj499

Rusty Buckets: This guy is an NBA commentator that has a great understanding of the sport, and looks at the game from interesting angles in my opinion. In particular, his deep dive videos are some of my favorite videos on the site on any topic. I can honestly say three things in particular:

1. This channel is one of the best channels that regularly recommends that people to subscribe to it in my book.

2. I developed a casual appreciation of basketball from this channel as much as anything else.

And 3. There are several keyboard instrumentals that I did not discover until I came across Rusty Buckets.

Even if you aren't a fan of the sport, one video from this channel that deserves a look is the GOATmentary from 2019, which ends with one of my favorite statements in a YouTube video by anyone: https://youtu.be/5naB2i9UcQ4

Rusty Buckets can be found here: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCenK8SmNW_vOKmDUTjbjamw/featured

Telepurte: This channel is an animator who has a minimalist style with an interesting aesthetic to it. HIs animations range from humorous and zany to sensual and in at least one instance, sad and dramatic.

When this channel uploads, it does so daily, and most animations are no longer than 15-20 seconds.

Telepurte can be found here: https://www.youtube.com/user/stickies1

Simon's Cat: Simon's Cat is a channel about a man name Simon and his cat. The cat goes through some short, but humorous animated adventures.

It uploads once every few months and can be found here: https://www.youtube.com/c/SimonsCat/featured

And before I go, I also have to plug the YouTube channels of a few colleagues of mine from college:

My colleague Zach is a good long distance runner who has uploaded clips of himself running: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCmnz5OW7aMf5KjiOciDsEpg/videos

My colleague Jackson and a couple of his colleagues started a golf channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCiK2sZKohfjeFxBdOsgJBww/featured

And my old colleague Morgan uploaded some music she recorded (jazz in particular): https://www.youtube.com/user/MrMorgangayle8

Morgan does not upload anymore, but the other two do.

Obviously not every video will necessarily appeal to everyone, but I hope you at least find these suggestions interesting.

Hope you have a great night!

@Fries Im glad you asked!  Here are some channels that I’ve come across since this comment.  They *may or may not be up your alley*, but hey, that’s what makes YouTube worth it.  Looking at original shit :D  I’ll put the channel URL so it instantly takes you there and not waste time hunting it down.  Feel free to NFT screenshot this comment so you can have it somewhere.  I might also make edits, *might*.

- R.C Waldun
(this is a channel that talks about very human topics and give his perspective on it.  He's a university student from what I've watched in his videos, but his insight is so amazing, it's like he's a professor to life itself.

He recently, as of writing, he recently made a video about how learning is a boring process, and how it shouldn’t be like that.

He then gives his process on how to truly learn.  And a personal experience with how learning that people who make fashion always wear lab coats lead him down a rabbit hole.)

#  https://youtube.com/c/RCWaldun

- TheraminTrees
(This one’s a personal favorite.

This is a channel that talks that very serious topics like religion and abuse. He’s not hateful towards religious people, but he really is against religion as a concept and ideals.  That’s not he’s only stick though.  He makes videos on psychological issues we suffer today, and gives his potential solution to it.

They’re not bullet proof solutions, obviously, but we should always appreciate someone give a solution.  Bonus points if it’s actually practical, but something is enough.

He talks about being stuck in your head all the time from a traumatic experience and how to deal with it, to talking about dealing with toxic people.  If that’s up your alley, epic.  If not, that’s epic too.)

#  https://youtube.com/c/TheraminTrees

- Ethan Becker
(This is an art channel, and the host is a guy that’s loud and gives no fucks.  It’s glorious seeing him in action.

This guy makes art tutorials, if art is your thing.  What makes him unique is that he doesn’t just do tutorial videos for a super specific thing at this super specific moment.  Like “how to draw a tree”.

No, this guy goes over his process of doing art, specifically animation, and encourages people to do that shit.

He recently did interview questions with his animation friends about what their art advice is.  It was a really eye-opening thing seeing these people be human about their craft, and give legit advice to people doing art for the first time.  Let alone animation.

Super cool guy!)

#  https://youtube.com/c/EthanBecker70

- James Lee
(James Lee does some pretty fucking good animations.  It's legit some of the most technically impressive shit I've seen on this platform in recent memory.  It's a mix of live-action and hand-drawn stuff.  I can't imagine the process to do it, but thank fuck they exist :D)

#  https://youtube.com/c/JamesLee

@Fries Im glad you asked!  Here are some channels that I’ve come across since this comment.  They *may or may not be up your alley*, but hey, that’s what makes YouTube worth it.  Looking at original shit :D  I’ll put the channel URL so it instantly takes you there and not waste time hunting it down.  Feel free to NFT screenshot this comment so you can have it somewhere.  I might also make edits, *might*.

- *R.C Waldun*
(this is a channel that talks about very human topics and give his perspective on it.  He's a university student from what I've watched in his videos, but his insight is so amazing, it's like he's a professor to life itself.

He recently, as of writing, he recently made a video about how learning is a boring process, and how it shouldn’t be like that.

He then gives his process on how to truly learn.  And a personal experience with how learning that people who make fashion always wear lab coats lead him down a rabbit hole.)

#  https://youtube.com/c/RCWaldun

- *TheraminTrees*
(This one’s a personal favorite.

This is a channel that talks that very serious topics like religion and abuse. He’s not hateful towards religious people, but he really is against religion as a concept and ideals.  That’s not he’s only stick though.  He makes videos on psychological issues we suffer today, and gives his potential solution to it.

They’re not *bullet proof* solutions, obviously, but we should always appreciate someone give a solution.  Bonus points if it’s actually practical, but something is enough.

He talks about being stuck in your head all the time from a traumatic experience and how to deal with it, to talking about dealing with toxic people.  If that’s up your alley, epic.  If not, that’s epic too.)

#  https://youtube.com/c/TheraminTrees

- *Ethan Becker*
(This is an art channel, and the host is a guy that’s loud and gives no fucks.  It’s glorious seeing him in action.

This guy makes art tutorials, if art is your thing.  What makes him unique is that he doesn’t just do tutorial videos for a super specific thing at this super specific moment.  Like “how to draw a tree”.

No, this guy goes over his process of doing art, specifically animation, and encourages people to do that shit.

He recently did interview questions with his animation friends about what their art advice is.  It was a really eye-opening thing seeing these people be human about their craft, and give legit advice to people doing art for the first time.  Let alone animation.

Super cool guy!)

#  https://youtube.com/c/EthanBecker70

- *James Lee*
(James Lee does some pretty fucking good animations.  It's legit some of the most technically impressive shit I've seen on this platform in recent memory.  It's a mix of live-action and hand-drawn stuff.  I can't imagine the process to do it, but thank fuck they exist :D)

#  https://youtube.com/c/JamesLee


Isn’t it quite fitting that they took away the “Broadcast Yourself”

@Doom58 a change youtube could make could make for the better is that you only get notifications of replys to your comment on a reply thread and not a notification of a reply to the comment that started the reply thread or a notification of a reply to other comments on the reply thread and that reply Is below your comment on the reply thread so you still get a notification for that reply even though it is not a reply to your comment on the reply thread, any comments that start reply threads still get notifications for any replys and replys to comments that are part of the reply thread to those comments, this is to me is also a very annoying problem I wish they could fix💯

@Doom58 I know what ending you'd choose in Deus Ex lmao

@Helios honestly....for some reason YouTube has a more comforting feeling prolly cuz its anyomous

@Sharkronical there's no where else to go unfortunately

no, they changed it to
"Broadcast a Filtered and Shallow Version of Yourself"

they just felt that it was the right thing to do right

i actually am genuine and tbh i might be one of le few left dat do that kinda shit even tho i just make roblox vids for fun lul

They took the "yourself" out of broadcast yourself

@Sharkronical this is not a social media

@Sharkronical because I want to discuss this huge fucking problem

They took away “Broadcast Yourself” and replaced it with “Broadcast Television”.

Shout out to The Minute Hour!!  Its run by an independent guy who deserves more attention.  (It looks like the algorithm is bringing people here.  Just doing my part)

The only thing left to do is ban all social media its all garbage anyway


Its ok my man. Im an adult now too. Saw it changing over the years too and watched my favorite content creators complain about being fucked over by copyright and algorithms. I have 100’s of channels Im subbed to and I often click away to videos that are mediocre. Youtube is a gross corporate slime now. They give no fucks. They will die just like Facebook


This just aging even better and better as the years go on


5 years since this was posted, this video was so important to me in my development as a channel, it essentially is my youtube bible or what NOT to do, i thank you for teaching everyone the truth about youtube, and bringing attention to the problem when everyone else was still blind to it. even though there are still problems, especially with political bias. this site is better off because people like you stood up to youtube mismanagement. and that courage is being passed on to the real world as well, so once again I thank you always for what you told me and everyone who subscribed too you.


this rant is on a godly level and my respect for this content creator has quadroupled more than the butt ton i already have for this man


Man, this video has aged like fine wine and that's not a good thing.


when u become a animation channel and rewatch this video and some parts hit too hard.

Yeah. Being an animation channel = animating to the void. Fun, but...you know...


That end sequence is the reason I wanna make YouTube videos. It's so empowering and inspirational. Love you Emp.


The new CEO said she wanted to make YouTube into television. She succeeded. Now this place is cancer on top of cancer with a dollop of rectal cancer on top.

And now, Susan Wabblejack removed the dislikes. And introduced NFTs into the platform

YouTube is a joke, just like social media

Not into but more than TV. But hey they succeed right? Worse than TV. XD

you say that your fine but your not really fine

Yep, I listened about that. She wanted to ban everything that was not kid friendly and said that her aim was to be more like tv.


this has gotten so much worse since this video. I keep finding these really interesting channels that are addictive, and I KNOW audiences are finding one video, and then going on binges. these channels are different and artistic. They last for a little bit but inevitably decline. I'm starting to really think youtube promotes bland corporate personalities now.


around 2016 was prime youtube imo. filthy frank, idubbbz at his peak, it looked like things were just getting better and better but then everything started going to shit


4 years later and this video is still spot on now in 2022. <br>Still love to see that you still making long and interesting content.

4 years later and this video is still spot on now in 2022.
Still love to see that you still making long and interesting content.


We're about to hit the 4-year mark of this video, and this and many other times that Emp was critical of youtube have become the new reality. With the removal of dislikes, and being able to say and do barely anything due to demonization (which has only gotten worse and worse causing so much more stale and uncreative content Not to say that isn't some diamonds in this pile of shit) it's deteriorating at an alarming pace.

It sucks that we got this informal of a video, and in my own opinion one of the best-crafted videos on the site at the moment and in its history, and we couldn't stop the inevitable, and no one at YT got the memo. It's dark to think but it's going to only get worse and worse but YT is going to get bigger and bigger.  The video was amazing as I said before but I can't help but feel it was all for nearly nothing.

I can only hope that a competitor for YouTube emerges and survives


its like the old youtube was a forest, and the new youtube is a big corporate city

@Bingles Praise yea<br>old youtube is like pre-timeskip tazmilly village and modern youtube is new pork city

@Bingles Praise yea
old youtube is like pre-timeskip tazmilly village and modern youtube is new pork city

A big corporate city that had to destroy the forest to exist

Feels more like a small corporate desert

Sadly there aint a Johny silverhand to burn this Mediocre, crappy, shitty corporate hellhole like new YT. It sucks.

@ForgettablePyromaniac

I saw a post today about YouTube becoming worse than TV and IMO that's simply not true at the moment.

Yes, the copyright system is pretty broken but they've been making improvements over the past few years, Tom Scott did a 40 minute piece on how content ID is actually a decent mechanism for a platform with so much content and definitely the best option available at the moment.

Yes, entertainment content is being forced to become family friendly and killing channels like Filthy Frank in the process, BUT this kind of thing was to be expected with a platform that is so relying on its advertisers and which deals with controversy after controversy.

Yes, the way some channels get treated in comparison to others is incredibly hypocritical and disrespectful (Nerd City has made many videos on different examples of this), but the platform is still fair to most entertainment creators plus youtubers in less controversial communities (which comprise most of the users on the platform)

Yes, ads can be annoying but comparing 5 seconds before being able to skip + a couple unskippables every once in a while to advertisements on television is ludicrous.

I've been using YouTube on a daily basis for more than 5 years, and got a job by learning a software through tutorial videos, all that knowledge and entertainment for free. Honesly, I think there's a very, very long way to go before we can even start comparing it with the discrace that is Television at the moment.

reminds me of CS Ghost, his video on Nintendo has a part where it shows the internet as a city, maybe with every website being a province or something similar, with google being the tallest skyscraper out of the bunch.

Instead of forest. A nice little village

YouTube is a Podunk town where everything is all in one place

@Doom58 which comment? All i did was list good youtubers.

@Connor Michael this comment doesn't make any sense

This is still being upvoted? Its like a 12 year old wrote it

@Based Enjoyer #FreePalestine PLEASE LISTEN!!

@Mercury listen, i"m begging you. There"s good content in this site. Swaggersouls, kryos, tommyinnit, wilbur soot, memeulous, willne, smii7y, WILDCAT, akindalewar, elvis the alien, inabber,  jschlatt, slimecicle, slazo, fitz, quackity, there"s still quality on youtube.

@SteelingCable please listen, emplemon says there"s still good xontent out there on youtube and that it"s just a matter of finding it, so go out there and search for greatness!

Old YouTube was the wild west, new YouTube is San Francisco

And no one got the message of the video, it"s the shadow of the valley of death all over again.

@maxnul Lol no, not everything is black and white

I think that the old youtube was like an old medieval town, since this video came out we are starting to get out of the corporate cities mess

corporations exist due to government intervention, this is not a problem in a free market which we never had in human history

@Doom58 If that were the case content creators would actually be respected.

It still can be a forest. In the way that the big trees get all the light while the growing ones and the grass can't get any because of the shade of the big ones

@Doom58 Maybe it’ll be destroyed like City 17

@King Charlemagne yeah and the new YouTube is a communist dystopia

@♡StrawberrySprinkles♡
-Joined 3 months ago
yeah sounds about right, welcome

Don't it always seem to go, that you don't know what you've got 'til it's gone? They paved paradise, and put up a parking lot.

@Mercury don't be rude,how about others just shut your mouth up when you try to express something,wouldn't that be rude to you?

And now it’s so big that trump made an hotel here for some reason, homeless people are totally ignored, it smells like smog everyday and you can’t walk outside without a mask, because you life in a city populated by 5 million citizens, and just have two lines of tramway, and you’re constantly blocked on a traffic jam on a 50 lines highway, just to work at a depressing corporate business that uses Mexicans slaves as employees but you can’t do shit about it because it’s the only way you can eat. The ones who are supposed to fix things don’t do shit about those problem with horrible consequences in the long term, and just starts throwing money at weird stuff and putting laws and rules that no ones understands. You are stuck here forever, even tho there is tons of better places, because you live here, you can’t afford to move and you can’t get a new job. And folks move in your city anyway thinking that they will live their best moments lives only to end up like you.

That’s YouTube now.


One thing I noticed about the downward spiral animation is that it starts out gritty and a little unfinished but original, only to begin to become simplified and hard to look at. Kinda like YouTube


I honestly think this is one of the best videos on the platform. You deserve more.


I come back to this video everytime YouTube makes a dumb ass decision that continues to screws us over


Holy shit. My friend. This aged like a fine wine. Love this channel. Never stop doing this shit.


Thank you so much, EmpLemon. This video was a spiritual experience. You are my new favorite youtuber. Unsubscribed.

@AnthonyBurgers1 its been 11 months, hope you like the spiral

I am here to inform you that your joke, which is intended to make readers laugh, has just now somehow made me laugh

@human being ohhh lol I'm new with this channel, its honestly really good


Aaaaaaaaand the dislike count is gone.  How prophetic this video was.


<b>Really</b> miss the days when navigating YouTube felt like a giant sandbox rather than a rail shooter.

*Really* miss the days when navigating YouTube felt like a giant sandbox rather than a rail shooter.


I've found a guy that I want to promote here, he's called Leadhead, and he's a phenomenal video essayist who writes about honestly whatever he wants, which reminds me of the original YouTube spirit that Emplemon talks about here.


As a 14 year old as of last month, I have started to go watch older videos, and I agree that YouTube has gotten way worse over the years. I used to make [and probably will continue to make] the cringy 'shy young teen tries to be confident and popluar by doing gaming' type of content. I am only feeding into the bad content, and I am going to try and change that.

Love your content by the way, Hungrybox video was my favorite.


I didn't realize this was made 3 years ago I honestly thought it was made like a couple of months ago becuase this is still happening to this day.

@Shooby a change youtube could make could make for the better is that you only get notifications of replys to your comment on a reply thread and not a notification of a reply to the comment that started the reply thread or a notification of a reply to other comments on the reply thread and that reply Is below your comment on the reply thread so you still get a notification for that reply even though it is not a reply to your comment on the reply thread, any comments that start reply threads still get notifications for any replys and replys to comments that are part of the reply thread to those comments, this is a very annoying problem I wish they could fix💯

@G1NG 54 another year of lies,failures,disappointments,and suicidal thoughts

another year. another....fuck it im done

And its not going to improve unless Susan is removed

@Random you have to be extremely close minded (or baiting, who knows) to think that youtube is just a "10 minute medium". i have seen probably many of the same video on machine learning and math that you have, and they are fundamentally different than this video. this video is a mini documentary that discusses extremely nuanced situations, and its different than explaining a neural network or how fluids flow through a medium.

the idea you have of what this video talks about is funny, and from that i can infer that you have to be at least 30+ years old or close to it. "they said the same thing about radio"; so just because 2 completely separate and unrelated things have "been on a downward spiral" means that it is unnecessary to talk about them? No, this video is completely different than what radios downward spiral was. how can you be so stupid as to think that they are even closely related. seriously, just watch the video before making these wild and inaccurate assumptions.

the tone you give off is kind of annoying, as if him making this video long is an inconvenience to you; as if you have this importance and your time cant be wasted on a video like this. cut that out.

if you dont want to watch a 50 minute video, then dont click on one. if you want to watch the video but dont have enough time, then there is this revolutionary idea called pausing. watch parts of the video in your spare time.

thats all i have to say. dont be so close minded as you are now, and if this was bait then thanks for wasting my time.

@Random it's not something that could be explained in 30 seconds. The irony is him talking about people just like you who need to be spoon fed information in tiny bites. It's honestly kinda sad that you seem to not appreciate the time, effort, and nuance that goes into videos like this.

@Random if this isn't sarcasm than the irony is fucking gold

oh yeah for sure. I spend hours every day filming my videos then trying to edit them to make them funny and actually watchable then when im finally done 10 hours later and 3 people start the video see I have 165 subs and then no one else sees my videos

The worst part is that I have seen this on Chanel’s I have watched for years and it has gotten so much worse

I wouldn't have noticed if I didn't see this comment, holy shit.

@Connor Michael i dont know who any of those are

@alex3rd11 i"d still take them over blights like Dantdm, Unspeakablegaming, Stampylonghead, Ssundee, Skydoesminecraft, Thinknoodles, and Captainsparklez.

@alex3rd11 I watch danny gonzales, it is kinda good. But the channel doesn't look like something I would remember if I didn't use youtube for 2 months

@alex3rd11 well EXCUUUUUSE ME for not wearing rose tinted glasses.

@Connor Michael those channels aren’t good... i looked all of them up and they are mostly clones. one of them even uploads 30 minute minecraft letsplays on the regular like (??) was the point of this video not to watch that kind of mcdonalds quality content?

@Connor Michael yeah? its not that different from modern youtube.

@Doom58 Quackity. Flamingo. Chris ray gun. Danny gonzalez. Stephen tries. Saltydkdan. Willne. Wilbur soot. Technoblade. Tommyinnit. Drew gooden. Konekokitten.

@Connor Michael I wouldn't be complaining if I found anything to watch

@Connor Michael most of it is commentary crap i could care less about.

Look. I still have hope for the site. There"s still good content out there. He even said it himself. And yet nobody"s listening.

I didn't even realize its been three years since the fidget spinner Clickbait panic, I still feel like it was just last year

When they started removing comment sections on old cartoons and whatnot that was the official point that I started hoping Youtube burns and a new service rises to prominence. Next thing you know they'll take away comment sections on soundtracks for any E-Rated videogames. What fun is it if we can't talk with each other about our fond memories?

@T3zlaGM why can't we just say it's 5 years ago the moment new year starts?

if it stayed for another year and 4 months then it's officially been 5 years after the video's publication and his view is going to be terrifying

איט איז! בגלל שהסימפסונים לא ירוקים!

איט איז! בגלל שהסימפסונים לא ירוקים!

@james joe its my anger from how youtube has still been awful after 4 years of this video's re;ease

hard to tell honestly, the give away is he said he still makes ytps


I feel like the term "YouTube Poop" can't be taken seriously anymore, not because of "poop", but because of "youtube".


This, I believe, will be a timeless masterpiece, as sad as it is to say.


I always come back to this video as a form of motivation to keep going as a YouTuber, and I know I'm not the only one


this aged better than wine in a barrel left there for 1000 years


it's been over 3 years now and this video is still completely true. The only thing that's changed is that things are now even worse

@Clorox Bleach a change youtube could make could make for the better is that you only get notifications of replys to your comment on a reply thread and not a notification of a reply to the comment that started the reply thread or a notification of a reply to other comments on the reply thread and that reply Is below your comment on the reply thread so you still get a notification for that reply even though it is not a reply to your comment on the reply thread, any comments that start reply threads still get notifications for any replys and replys to comments that are part of the reply thread to those comments, this is a very annoying problem I wish they could fix💯

@draguO doT pretty much only commentary is worth a damn these days gets old as hell and mabye some of those meme videos that last only a second

@Clorox Bleach not sure about the algorithm but now YouTube recommends me things that I actually watch.

And its not going to get any better unless Susan is removed

@T teg Egg they went to the tens of millions, so yea it had a rebirth

It is slightly better. There is a slight animation Renaissance and the algorithm is better in my opinion. Everything else is true though

Especially that shitty algorithm it’s gotten ten times worse


The current state of Youtube is the same as with cinema. Both of those things have started as nothing more as just means of expresing creativity of talented people, and creating timeless classics, with pure intention of entertain and challenge audience. And now both of this things became nothing more then just gaint commercial machine which prioritize quantity over quality and new generation of kids eats this shit up, because they don't know any better, because they were already brainwashed. Well....I'M NOT A ZOMBIE. I don't watch scumbags who only gives a shit about money and not inteligence of his viewers. I watch people with passion, with creativity and who create great/amazing video essay's, animations, fanfilms and comics (because somehow, thank god, they're still out there). I don't know what's future of Youtube and Cinema is like but i'm don't have a good feelings about it. Also.....YTP IS DEAD!? I'm sorry but to people who say that I say...NO! YTP is still alive and I feel that YTP is in it's prime. I mean have you seen Silver C Stick YTP'S about Sonic? THESE ARE GREAT. And there are a lot more good YTP's out there, you just have to look. I agree with you EmpLemon, great video.


I love it so much when Emp uploads videos that are longer than 30 minutes. Cleanses the pallet <3 Re-watching this for like the thousandth time and loving it


I think it's funny how many YouTubers today acknowledge that the algorithm sucks and they only make safe, soulless content because it's the only way to make money and keep their vids up. I'm sitting in Physics and just now the vid we were watching had to do a cover of a song due to fear of copyright


I completely agree, I honestly think it’s just human nature bleeding into what was once a positive creation that cultivated creativity and community. I think your content is very intricate and genuine, I appreciate creators like yours that strive to be people rather than channels.


I'm glad I watched this, because I was honestly in the same boat of misconception regarding YouTube poops. Loved them back in the day, didn't know they were still made. Definitely going to check your stuff out.

This was very informative and thought-provoking. Thanks for this, man.

Honestly me too i didnt know youtube poops where different now

Jesus Aztrosis... funny seeing you here...

Accursed Farm is one of the few genuine channels still active. Doesn't try to sell the viewer anything, he doesn't even ask people to subscribe to his channel. He said it makes him sound too much like a salesperson which isn't what he aims to do, he just aims to make good videos that people will enjoy.

Aztrosist  I also love making edgy content

Aztrosist I know what your getting at but, I miss the funny shit that I would sit down and eat my pathetic lunch with, I get he's trying to do things but, you do need other content besides this, your just going to keep losing people that support you, I still do but things need to change man, bring back the old Lemon, you and JP Carlson were both amazing video creators, making ytp content unlike any other, but those days are gone, at least Pie Pivotmotpier still makes videos, he's one of few still keeping it alive

Furby Man Sorry but it looks not so promising

I found a really good YouTube alternative. It's called Vidlii.com and it looks and works just like the old YouTube!

this video was very inspiring, thank you emplemon. i'll go be a better viewer and a better human not a mindless amoeba consuming plain videos day after day, i think i understand this video and what youtube should be in the future, we may not see it soon but youtube could be a better place. soon, ... soon.

This video says everything I have thought for this entire year, but I am part of the problem since I leave auto play on when I sleep (on music I mean :(. )

Aztrosist is it ironic that you are only top comment because you are a popular youtuber?

Aztrosist thank you for unbanning me on your server

Aztrosist  ytps are pretty much like mlg's but instead of gaming inside jokes, its meme inside jokes regarding stuff like cartoons and stuff of sorts. I know i look like a fucking normie for that explanation but thats my undertanding of it.

This probably took him 2-7 WEEKS to produce, Damn that's dedication.

Genuine Aztrosist seems pretty boring.  Not as hip with the kids as I thought he was.  Is he the true Aztrosist?

I'm surprised you didn't add a one liner or a joke at the end of your message Aztrosist, like "although I'm disappointed you didn't give me a shout out, that hurts man".

Aztrosist Holy crap someone make an EmpLemon Assresist fan fiction plz

steve jordan
It was kind of a mini joke for explaining something.
My subconscious just likes to take my expectations and do stuff.
But it's nice to know you like the genuine version of Aztrosist.

MageBurger Hey did you raid that minecraft girl gamer last stream

MageBurger how was that boring? it was a good comment. and I'm just saying when he comments on other videos from other creators, it's usually jokes. rarely do I see him post this well structured comment that should be taken seriously. but it makes me very glad to know that aztrocist liked this video from one of my favorite ytp channels

steve jordan
If you watch Aztrosist's Twitch streams, he's usually a lot more genuine with his commentary (despite playing MineCraft. I'm not kidding).

His sarcastic side is something known as a persona, a character within a person usually executed for entertainment purposes.

Sorry for making you bored.

Aztrosist <b>confused to where if he's being serious with the comment and questioning how the fuck it can be sarcastic or an act</b>

Aztrosist *confused to where if he's being serious with the comment and questioning how the fuck it can be sarcastic or an act*

Aztrosist, glad to know that the misconception of YTPs was shared with people I'd expect to know the true conception of YTPs, because it makes me feel less dumb about my misconception despite having watched the occasional modern-day YTP.

oh my god YES AZTROSIST LIKES EMPLEMON BABY LETS GO

Aztrosist <br>OOOOH SHIT! You're here. But I rag on people for being surprised at seeing popular people. So... duct tape on the mouth?

Aztrosist
OOOOH SHIT! You're here. But I rag on people for being surprised at seeing popular people. So... duct tape on the mouth?

Aztrosist Honestly you're missing out so much over at the russian YTP scene, their editing, memes and after effects are on a whole another level

i don't get it, this must be some advanced form of shitpost that i do not yet understand

Reptilian Eucalyptus hahah yeah using 8 is so funny xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

EvanarchyMT oh, it's that unpopular YT channel.

Meep Moop

what did you just say bout my nigga


This video has aged extremely well, and it will probably age even better with time.

@Latvian Dragon He literally had text in the video that said "I'm one of them: buy my stuff" lmao

except for him complaning about sponsorships, it makes him look like a hypocrite now


Nothing has changed. If anything it’s even worse. It’s just sad at this point.


I personally believe that the YouTube algorithm itself has been improving on its own terms in the exact ways you have presented the website failing in this video. Maybe I’ve gotten lucky but there are so many new creators who put real effort into their work I’ve found just recently and it’s been expanding. How? The recommended and suggestions. It’s not perfect, it’s not even great, but it’s getting good. - just a shithead’s opinion


Controversial opinion below!!!

I personally don't enjoy YTP videos...

*BUT*, I have a deep respect for the people who do them, I can only imagine how creative one has to  get in order to make a good YTP...


I've been here since 2007. I've seen things you people wouldn't believe,
Flame wars in the comments section of the IrateGamer
I saw PewDiePie at only 10k subscribers
Lego stop motion videos, telling meaningful and intricate stories

These memories, will be lost in time, like... this comment.

@Chief Gabriel You can still find plenty of Family Guy clips from both corporate and bootleg uploaders, but typically not more than maybe a third of an episode in any video.

If people were to upload Lego stop motion or something like that, it’d probably go under the radar due to a lack of recommendations through the algorithm (unless an incredibly large channel uploaded such a video).

100s of lego stop motions (most since removed) and people would straight up upload full episodes of family guy right after they aired. It was a great time!

I wouldn’t say this comment is as lost as you think given that you got 3,600+ likes.

I wouldn’t say this comment is as lost as you think given that you got 3,600+ likes.

I watch alot of Lego stop motions back then and they still age well

I watch alot of Lego stop motions back then and they still age well

I always watched stop motion Lego gun videos when I was younger. The huge arsenal and heat these guys were packing fascinated my young middle mind so much back then

Anybody remember those Mario The Parody Series?  It’s gone now….  Was thinking of making a transcript of everything I remember… I’d be happy to have others join if they’re interested.

you've been on YouTube longer than most of the people on this website have been alive.

you've been on YouTube longer than most of the people on this website have been alive.

@Lazzle Dazzle shame it is not like that anymore😑

@Lazzle Dazzle shame it is not like that anymore😑

@BrickbyBrick46 I very much miss old Youtube myself, it used to be a lot smaller, far less people were doing it for money because it was far more difficult to make money off the site.

Lazzle Dazzle they weren’t deep at all. they were just old and funny (to an extent) and and most of all, they’re nostalgic. i’m one of the ones who loved them

The lego stop motion thing is a bit of an exaggeration mate, they weren't really "deep" or anything like that.

Good riddance. At least to the flame wars. It still exists so many people are still stupid. Just in different ways. xD

Pladimir Vutin my friend, you have outlived the spiral, as you can see people are still finding this today.

2 years later, and you're still not lost in the swarm. Congrats.

2 years later, and you're still not lost in the swarm. Congrats.

Pladimir Vutin Not if al two thousand of us have something to say about of it.

Pladimir Vutin Not if al two thousand of us have something to say about of it.

Hey grandpa, can you tell me the same fucking story with a nagging lesson like "the old days were better" at the end? Thanks!

ok bro I rate gamers 10/10 too 10/10 FLAMES

ok bro I rate gamers 10/10 too 10/10 FLAMES

I miss Egoraptor's animations and fan subbed anime shows on YouTube.

I miss Egoraptor's animations and fan subbed anime shows on YouTube.

I remember watching those old Lego Stop Motions. Those Lego Batman stop motions from Forrestfire101 were hilarious to me back in the day.

i've been here since the lego stop motion pictures

i've been here since the lego stop motion pictures

Ah, Lego stop motion videos. After the Package III came out, Lego stop motion kind of stopped and came back and stopped again

Sushi. That’s what my ex wife use to call me. Cold fish.

Sushi. That’s what my ex wife use to call me. Cold fish.

I've been there as well, there are several old videos I don't know if I'll ever see again simply because of how long ago I've viewed them.<br>I also had the Blade Runner music run through my head while reading this, so well done.

I've been there as well, there are several old videos I don't know if I'll ever see again simply because of how long ago I've viewed them.
I also had the Blade Runner music run through my head while reading this, so well done.

I remember when discovered Youtube, used to watch Pokemon Battle Revolution videos and Shadowleggy's animations. Good times...

I hadn't thought about those stop-motion Lego videos in well over 10 years. Can't believe I nearly forgot! ah, simpler times indeed.

Remember when they wouldn't let you "downvote" more than a few comments at once?

Remember when they wouldn't let you "downvote" more than a few comments at once?

Pladimir Vutin I wish I had been born earlier to see the golden age of the Internet ☹

Pladimir Vutin I wish I had been born earlier to see the golden age of the Internet ☹

Those Lego stop motion videos were the shit man. Especially the Lego Star Wars ones. Perfection.

Those Lego stop motion videos were the shit man. Especially the Lego Star Wars ones. Perfection.

i saw pewdiepie at like 10mil (Ive had 3 accounts including this one.)

i saw pewdiepie at like 10mil (Ive had 3 accounts including this one.)

Been here since 2009 and I know what you mean

Been here since 2009 and I know what you mean

this comment is already nothing but a memory

this comment is already nothing but a memory

Been here since 2010. Remember the old CDi YTP's, MrBeast with 80K subs, Leafy and Montage Parodies. (Sorry that's all I remember)

I forgot that these Lego Stop motion videos existed and now I remember them again because of this comment.<br>The good old days.....

I forgot that these Lego Stop motion videos existed and now I remember them again because of this comment.
The good old days.....

Amen. I member when smosh and nigahiga owned this town.

Amen. I member when smosh and nigahiga owned this town.

this comment has 869 likes, it is not as forgotten as  lego stop motion

this comment has 869 likes, it is not as forgotten as  lego stop motion

Remember the size of Youtube trolls back then? By Gar they were massive beasts. They don't make em like those anymore...

I remember the early days of Arby N the Chief...... I mean those very first episodes....... They were fun.......

i remember when pewdiepie was just another person on the rise

i remember when pewdiepie was just another person on the rise

I remember when rant videos were popular and when let's plays were new
I remember when game grumps was new as well
2016 is oddly enough the last good year for YouTubers but 2012 is the last good year for YouTube

Dude I loved those stop motion lego videos those were awesome like the Zombie ones, Halo , the Star wars ones, and the ones telling stories about life too.

WOAH DUDE IS THAT A BLADE RUNNER REFERENCE FREAKIN EPIC BRO

WOAH DUDE IS THAT A BLADE RUNNER REFERENCE FREAKIN EPIC BRO

@Boxes World I don't even recall replying to this thread earlier than 2 up lel - the nobody meme sux tho, stop talkin about it

Well I guess I'm not the only one here. That's exactly how my viewership on YouTube started out, watching people like jkilts (RIP Lego Titanic)

hippo master If you use logic, he probably never made an account until then.

hippo master If you use logic, he probably never made an account until then.

I remember as a kid playing some interactive lego video involving a spider jumping on your friend and you can jump into a mech and blast the shit out of the spider and your friend

i was a weird kid

I forgot about lego stop motion man that was so cool and it makes me sad that it's gone

I forgot about lego stop motion man that was so cool and it makes me sad that it's gone

dude, i was here since 2005. i dont remember when i made the account, but it was definitely by 2007. im with you man. so many memories, when the lets plays began, when YTP began, even when all of the websites like Newgrounds and AlbinoBlackSheep were beginning to merge here. what i miss most is exploring. finding weird stuff, like Chuck Norris in Oblivion...

The worst part for me is that I never saw how YouTube looked before google took over. I didn't start watching YouTube regularly until I found Markiplier with his first FNaF video. I was 13 or 12 at the time, but I also want the old YouTube back.

It's like hearing about the old American days where people rode on horseback. You only know what you have been told, instead of being able to experience it yourself.

Pewdiepie at 10k? Man that's old, but not quiet as old as 1k.

I'm joshing though, I only saw him at 15k and even then I wasn't interested.

oh my fucking goodness lego videos what the fuck happened to them

oh my fucking goodness lego videos what the fuck happened to them

remember pewdiepie's amnesia custom story's, death star cantina lego, those stickman animations? when minecraft wasn't full of 5 year old kids.<br>what happened to those days :(

remember pewdiepie's amnesia custom story's, death star cantina lego, those stickman animations? when minecraft wasn't full of 5 year old kids.
what happened to those days :(

Boxes World Why don't you look back at his channel, you may find something!

Boxes World Why don't you look back at his channel, you may find something!

Seeing the name Irate Gamer just gave me negative chills and mild sadness in my head on how long ago and outdates that name is. PewDiePie at 10k subscribers. Such evolution..

HoneyBunni22<br>If its any consolation, Kitty0706 is still well remembered.

HoneyBunni22
If its any consolation, Kitty0706 is still well remembered.

I member when Meet the Spy had 100k views

I member when Meet the Spy had 100k views

The good days. I remember, I was only a little lad, but I want it back

The good days. I remember, I was only a little lad, but I want it back

your comment ain't going anywhere, boy, there's too much value in it, too much sentiment for the days that were lost, and too much reality

That time will not be lost neither this comment in my heart and yours

That time will not be lost neither this comment in my heart and yours

Colin Scott Farnham Maybe he just had a second account or maybe didn’t even have a account though.

Pladimir Vutin I suddenly feel incredibly depressed.

Pladimir Vutin I suddenly feel incredibly depressed.


i wish there was more videos like this, just pure unfiltered anger and complaining


Still one of my favorite Emp videos even all these years later.


came back to listen to this video again and man does it hold up even 4 years later! i can safely say that your own content has been doing exactly what you call for here- for YOU to be the reason people to come to your channel. even if i know nothing about nascar, or wwe, or whatever else you feel like making video essays on, you have a level of sheer talent and skill that keeps me engaged, and provides both a good watching AND listening experience. it's amazing how i can be brought to tears, or into awe over things i knew nothing about beforehand by your videos. it's fucking glorious. thank you for truly broadcasting yourself.


I became YouTuber a few months ago and shit's hard on my head man. I'm in constant fear of the normies thinking my content is cringe because I took the time to speak about my opinion in a few videos I've made. Sure, I'm not that good making content really just on my own, and I've not been satisfied with the idea of sticking to gaming, or even the thought that I made gaming content in the first place. I've had trouble thinking of what videos to make YTPs of, how to make them,  how to add my favorite poopisms to said YTPs, and more. I've thought of a type of video to make that I think I'll make for a bit and see if I'm satisfied with it. If I just can't find any inspiration, or I can't make any content that I'm satisfied with then fuck it, I give up! Fuck this site!

@Crygen you're the normie he was talking about. Or maybe you're just a bot. Little functional difference.


I used to love YTP

Wasn't even aware how alive it was, probably thanks to both YouTube suppressing it, and me not wanting to watch YouTube videos anymore.

I used to animate and now I'm a gaming channel. Despite my animation improving, the attention it got wasn't even a fraction from before. I still like to animate a little into my videos where I can and that's all the individuality I can claim to be my own these days.

I don't like asking for subscribers, and yet I've been conditioned on this site that if you neglect to remind viewers, they won't sub. So I made video enders always revolve around destroying the subscribe button.

Only reason why this comment is all about me (wah) is because your rant resonates pretty hard with me for the most part. Here's hoping things can turn around someday. I'd say people will get sick of it eventually, but worryingly our audiences are a new generation which is literally growing up watching junk. There'd have to be some sort of movement or plugin that worked on YouTube but surpassed the terrible algorithm we are haunted by to this day.

Thanks for the motivation!

I loved the King of the Hill YTPs when I stumbled into them. I checked out some other YTPs and most of them just didn't tickle my funny bone the same way. Something about KotH just lends itself so well to the art form of YTP. But I do appreciate the  sentiment behind it, there's an anarchy there that I love, plus it's just plain hilarious if done right.

So just for fun I tried my hand at making one myself, and as a way to maybe gain some skills at editing. Most of it was pretty crude edit tricks because I didn't have the chops yet, but still it's fun to play around with. But of course, when I uploaded the video, it was immediately blocked, even though I wasn't monetizing it, and had no interest in doing so. But I don't have the time or patience to figure out how to get around that, so I gave it up.

If the algorithm didn’t change, then your animation might have done better

Lythero exactly doesnt look like youtube will get better anytime soon I think I'm pretty close to stop watching YouTube completely

Lythero I don't think that's a good excuse. You were conditioned? Seriously? C'mon, let's get real, I'm 15 who has watched this site for the majority of my lifetime, and I know what I want out of a YouTube channel. If you really believed in making good content without stale endings, you wouldn't say them.

Lythero what are you doing here shouldn't you be money matching Alphard or something

this is so true i'v been trying to grow for a while now but i just can't

Lythero it's so great to see you here, I always thought to myself "what did happen to Lytheros animations?" And it's so annoying to see that they just get ignored and it's hard for you to do what you want, if anything, your videos are much better than most other gaming videos because you seem to actually care

Are you the guy who is good at Mario kart?

ive watched 2 much p00ping that i can now say when a ytp is good or bad

Lythero Oh, wasn't expecting you here...


I grew up watching youtube, some my best memories were watching videos with my friends. The best way I can describe the change I have seen is that youtube has lost its soul, as much of a circlejerk it is to say youtube sucks now, its true. It's honestly just depressing. It's like seeing an old friend completely change for the worse.


I think youtube needs a serious competitor. It'll definitely open their eyes if youtube audience migrated to a superior platform.<br>Edit: also get youtube vanced if you have an android. Its free youtube red

I think youtube needs a serious competitor. It'll definitely open their eyes if youtube audience migrated to a superior platform.
Edit: also get youtube vanced if you have an android. Its free youtube red


At first I want to say that this video is abolutely great!

but I want to add something:
You said the vidoes cant be to long, because the viewers have a attention span of a toast or something like that. But its the zombie viewers of that content that are like this and sadly they're taking over and stumble upon videos that aren't in their zombie comfort zone, because the algorithm is broken...
I'm sure if this video or your other video you showed as example would get recommended to the right people you would get much higher avarage watchtimes, because interested people WILL like this content and stay interested.
you probably should have said something like "If you're producing this low effort videos, make sure it's not to long, because your zombie audience will have a attention span of a taost (or whatever you said), but if you're not doing that, make it as long as it has to be and dont cut quality content or stop when its not yet perfect, just because "most of the poeple wont see it anyways", just do it"

tbh I was and sometimes still watch not that high effort videos (minecraft letsplays (but with not too bad editing) and im guilty of watching the videos where people tell me how bad a movie is), but if they get to long, they are not enjoyable (=even less than at the beginning), because they are not meant to be that long, but I can have a longer attention span with good videos and watch them for a long time (like this one or even longer)


I love how true and down to earth emp was here


just like a wise man said: "internet is not a big truck, it's a series of tubes!"